Pool C

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I posted this in another chat room, but figured it was worth posting here as well. Just a reminder of how the vRRO data is used moving forward:


 
   
   
   
   
   
   

	vRRO Data
Week 1	- none -
Week 2	Week 1
Week 3	Week 2
Final	Week 3
Finale/Selections	Week 3 & Final

[ronk]

 Where's the vrro data for week 2?

[lmitzel]

I posted this in another chat room, but figured it was worth posting here as well. Just a reminder of how the vRRO data is used moving forward:


 
   
   
   
   
   
   

	vRRO Data
Week 1	- none -
Week 2	Week 1
Week 3	Week 2
Final	Week 3
Finale/Selections	Week 3 & Final

So how does that last one work? Do they make that fourth set of rankings, then adjust vRRO and reconsider? I know they have to cut it off at some point, but that almost reads like a vicious cycle of compute-rank-recompute-rerank.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

In the data sheets supplied with the rankings.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I posted this in another chat room, but figured it was worth posting here as well. Just a reminder of how the vRRO data is used moving forward:


 
   
   
   
   
   
   

	vRRO Data
Week 1	- none -
Week 2	Week 1
Week 3	Week 2
Final	Week 3
Finale/Selections	Week 3 & Final

So how does that last one work? Do they make that fourth set of rankings, then adjust vRRO and reconsider? I know they have to cut it off at some point, but that almost reads like a vicious cycle of compute-rank-recompute-rerank.

I don't think they entirely re-rank, they just look at the rankings again with the new vRRO to double check no adjustments are needed.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I posted this in another chat room, but figured it was worth posting here as well. Just a reminder of how the vRRO data is used moving forward:


 
   
   
   
   
   
   

	vRRO Data
Week 1	- none -
Week 2	Week 1
Week 3	Week 2
Final	Week 3
Finale/Selections	Week 3 & Final

So how does that last one work? Do they make that fourth set of rankings, then add in vRRO and reconsider? I know they have to cut it off at some point, but that almost reads like a vicious cycle of compute-rank-recompute-rerank.

The RACs give them the third week rankings ... the national committee makes any changes they need to make. Then the vRRO data is re-tabulated ONE more time ... and the national committee makes any changes that adjustment requires them to be made.

We see the final results as being the "Week 4" rankings.

They only retabulate once ... or as you describe it could go on forever.

[ronk]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

Thanks, I know that; I just remember that it was included with the regional rankings listing in past years.

Incidentally, Scranton is listed as 2-1 when it should be 2(Drew, DeSales) - 2(York, Arcadia).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

Thanks, I know that; I just remember that it was included with the regional rankings listing in past years.

Incidentally, Scranton is listed as 2-1 when it should be 2(Drew, DeSales) - 2(York, Arcadia).

I'm not entirely sure if they use current week rankings until the final one.  Arcadia wasn't ranked last week, so that may be the disparity.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

Thanks, I know that; I just remember that it was included with the regional rankings listing in past years.

Incidentally, Scranton is listed as 2-1 when it should be 2(Drew, DeSales) - 2(York, Arcadia).

I've never known it to be included with previous regional rankings unless we actually added it ourselves. I think if we do that, it tends to be the Week 3 version as we prepare for selections.

But looking at least season's, I don't see them.

And the NCAA has never had them on their page.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

Thanks, I know that; I just remember that it was included with the regional rankings listing in past years.

Incidentally, Scranton is listed as 2-1 when it should be 2(Drew, DeSales) - 2(York, Arcadia).

I'm not entirely sure if they use current week rankings until the final one.  Arcadia wasn't ranked last week, so that may be the disparity.

They do NOT use the current rankings for the vRRO data. It is ALWAYS the previous week - per my chart I already shared.

They ONLY time the data is retabulated is the final rankings and even then the rankings we see aren't updated. The final rankings have data from two weeks, but the final positions could add or remove teams and that fact is not shown in the vRRO data.

[ronk]

Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

Thanks, I know that; I just remember that it was included with the regional rankings listing in past years.

Incidentally, Scranton is listed as 2-1 when it should be 2(Drew, DeSales) - 2(York, Arcadia).

I'm not entirely sure if they use current week rankings until the final one.  Arcadia wasn't ranked last week, so that may be the disparity.

That's the reason. Thanks.

[D3RetiredHooper]

Central region is by far and away the most intriguing region when it comes to Pool C.  According to @D3Bubble's most recent projections, the region has 6 teams in the C11 to C24 range:

Augustana (Projected C11/Unranked in Region)
La Crosse (Projected C14/8 in Region)
Eau Claire (Projected C15/Unranked in Region)
Elmhurst (Projected C16/5 in Region)
Oshkosh (Projected C18/7 in Region)
Ill Wesleyan (Projected C24/Unranked in Region)

[Titan Q]

Here is how I see Pool C based on today's regional rankings.  As always, keep in mind that any team projected lower than spot #15 is most likely out due to assumed Pool A upsets.

Round 1
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Wash U (UAA): .818/.565/3-3
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Marietta (OAC): .826/.534/3-3
MA - Johns Hopkins (CC): .870/.555/5-3
NE - Middlebury (NESCAC): .833/.572/5-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 2
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Wash U (UAA): .818/.565/3-3
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Marietta (OAC): .826/.534/3-3
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Middlebury (NESCAC): .833/.572/5-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 3
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Wash U (UAA): .818/.565/3-3
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Marietta (OAC): .826/.534/3-3
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - WPI (NEWMAC): .826/.544/3-4
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 4
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Wash U (UAA): .818/.565/3-3
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Marietta (OAC): .826/.534/3-3
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Tufts (NESCAC): .750/.584/4-4
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 5
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Wash U (UAA): .818/.565/3-3
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Marietta (OAC): .826/.534/3-3
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 6
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Marietta (OAC): .826/.534/3-3
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 7
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Wooster (NCAC): .739/.560/4-3
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 8
AT - TCNJ (NJAC): .826/.543/2-5
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 9
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Hobart (LL): .826/.532/3-3
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 10
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - St. John's (MIAC): .917/.494/3-2

Round 11
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Babson (NEWMAC): .826/.509/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 12
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - Elmhurst (CCIW): .792/.527/3-2
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Amherst (NESCAC): .708/.544/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 13
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-Oshkosh (WIAC): .652/.613/3-5
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Amherst (NESCAC): .708/.544/3-2
S - LeTourneau (ASC): .783/.556/2-4
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 14
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-Oshkosh (WIAC): .652/.613/3-5
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Amherst (NESCAC): .708/.544/3-2
S - Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC): .818/.522/2-1
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 15
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-Oshkosh (WIAC): .652/.613/3-5
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Amherst (NESCAC): .708/.544/3-2
S - East TX Baptist (ASC): .783/.515/1-3
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 16
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-Oshkosh (WIAC): .652/.613/3-5
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Brandeis (UAA): .682/.559/2-5
S - East TX Baptist (ASC): .783/.515/1-3
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 17
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-La Crosse (WIAC): .783/.532/1-4
E - Rochester (UAA): .682/.596/2-6
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Brandeis (UAA): .682/.559/2-5
S - East TX Baptist (ASC): .783/.515/1-3
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 18
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-La Crosse (WIAC): .783/.532/1-4
E - SUNY Oneonta (SUNYAC): .773/.508/3-3
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Brandeis (UAA): .682/.559/2-5
S - East TX Baptist (ASC): .783/.515/1-3
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 19
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-La Crosse (WIAC): .783/.532/1-4
E - SUNY Potsdam (SUNYAC): .818/.506/2-4
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Brandeis (UAA): .682/.559/2-5
S - East TX Baptist (ASC): .783/.515/1-3
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2

Round 20
AT - Purchase (Sky): .696/.513/1-2
C - UW-La Crosse (WIAC): .783/.532/1-4
E - SUNY Potsdam (SUNYAC): .818/.506/2-4
GL - Wabash (NCAC): .696/.539/1-4
MA - York Pa. (CAC): .792/.531/1-4
NE - Albertus Magnus (GNAC): .818/.488/2-2
S - East TX Baptist (ASC): .783/.515/1-3
W - Loras (ARC): .739/.530/1-2