FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OldAuggie]

Great info Mr. Reverend. I see UST scrimmage opponent Fon du Lac on the list. Whhhhhyyyyyyy did they scrimmage that team?!*
#schedulefail
(*strictly rhetorical)

Maybe Kilian set the schedule before he left? 

Well done Art! +k

[art76]

Bethel posted this a couple of days ago, some of you might find a nugget or two when perusing it over.

https://athletics.bethel.edu/documents/2018/8/27//Week_1_Depth_Chart.pdf?id=1318

[OldAuggie]

Bethel posted this a couple of days ago, some of you might find a nugget or two when perusing it over.

https://athletics.bethel.edu/documents/2018/8/27//Week_1_Depth_Chart.pdf?id=1318

Gibas starting! He is small but tough.

[faunch]

This is interesting. I wonder why SJ2 isn't included?

https://www.watchdog.org/minnesota/by-the-numbers-university-of-st-thomas-fields-most-college/article_d11e24a2-a64a-11e8-9bd1-2bf9be4fce32.html

SJU had about 170 report camp in August.
Does the 156 U$T number include the entire F.A.M.I.L.Y. or are there additional step children that report once school starts?

[USTBench]

This is interesting. I wonder why SJ2 isn't included?

https://www.watchdog.org/minnesota/by-the-numbers-university-of-st-thomas-fields-most-college/article_d11e24a2-a64a-11e8-9bd1-2bf9be4fce32.html

Great info Mr. Reverend. I see UST scrimmage opponent Fon du Lac on the list. Whhhhhyyyyyyy did they scrimmage that team?!*
#schedulefail
(*strictly rhetorical)

I'll take this, as I am now an expert because I've seen every episode of Last Chance U. Granted, Fond Du Lac is not EMCC, Independence or even Rochester CC (who UST scheduled the previous two years), but these teams are loaded with talent at the skill position areas. Their DBs will probably be the best athletes UST sees barring a late playoff run (though definitely NOT the most disciplined or fundamentally sound).

Juco ball is weird in that it's a strange hybrid of guys who could've gone D1 but didn't have the grades, guys that were D1 but got kicked out, guys that are probably NAIA or D2 talents at most but THINK they can go D1, and guys who they just sort of pulled off the street to fill out the roster.

Case in point, Dakota College in Bottineau, ND is LOADED with players from the deep south playing in North Dakota about 10 miles from the Canadian border. They were one of the better teams in Fond Du Lacs conference last year, and I think they only have one kid on their roster actually from the state of ND. Fond Du Lac, even as crappy as they were last year, aren't grabbing too many kids from Hermantown or Cloquet.

In other news, what is a Trinity International?

[OzJohnnie]

Good luck with the hauling this weekend, BDB, and also good luck with the BD's.  I'm a bit nervous about this game as after Stout's performance against UST last year I feel they are a make or break game for us this year.  If he Johnnies play well and get a good victory then we're in for something good.  Play poorly then dang.  Muddle our way through and we're in for a season of doubt.

[Mr.MIAC]

This is interesting. I wonder why SJ2 isn't included?

https://www.watchdog.org/minnesota/by-the-numbers-university-of-st-thomas-fields-most-college/article_d11e24a2-a64a-11e8-9bd1-2bf9be4fce32.html

They don't have to report participation numbers to the government because they're an all-boys school not subject to title IX regulation.

Me thinks that if they had to report, we'd see that SJ2 spends far more per student on athletics than anyone in the MIAC. There's nothing wrong with that of course. It just shows what institutions prioritize.

[OldAuggie]

Bethel posted this a couple of days ago, some of you might find a nugget or two when perusing it over.

https://athletics.bethel.edu/documents/2018/8/27//Week_1_Depth_Chart.pdf?id=1318

Travis Sinclair is going to be a good one for Bethel. Congrats.

[OzJohnnie]

This is interesting. I wonder why SJ2 isn't included?

https://www.watchdog.org/minnesota/by-the-numbers-university-of-st-thomas-fields-most-college/article_d11e24a2-a64a-11e8-9bd1-2bf9be4fce32.html

They don't have to report participation numbers to the government because they're an all-boys school not subject to title IX regulation.

Me thinks that if they had to report, we'd see that SJ2 spends far more per student on athletics than anyone in the MIAC. There's nothing wrong with that of course. It just shows what institutions prioritize.

I believe Gustavus is the winner with U$T a close and jealous second.  Nothing wrong with being jealous, of course.  It merely reflects U$T's priorities.

[OzJohnnie]

Me thinks that if they had to report, we'd see that SJ2 spends far more per student on athletics than anyone in the MIAC. There's nothing wrong with that of course. It just shows what institutions prioritize.

I thought rather than just state uninformed opinions (as easy and fun as that is), perhaps we should inform ourselves.

From the equity in athletics gov't website (https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/compare/details) I selected the schools I thought most likely to spend big on sports in the MIAC.  In the tables below they are UST, GAC, CON, BU.

Total Opex:


Total direct expense:


Meaning total expenditure by institution on football and total men's sport is (% spend on football):

UST: $1,398,588 ; $3,021,467  (46%)
GAC: $595,436 ; $2,052,591 (29%)
CON: $596,408 ; $1,710,646 (35%)
BU: $655,506 ; $1,786,289 (37%)

Participants:



Using the data in the article you linked, Rev, the spend per participant in football and total men's sport is (football multiple over sport in general):

UST: $8,965 ; $4977 (1.8)
GAC: $5,564 ; $4,155 (1.3)
CON: $4,809 ; $4,131 (1.2)
BU: $6,490 ; $4,738 (1.4)


It's evident in the data from institutions that must report expenditure for Title IX purposes that UST spends about 38% more per football player than the next closest institution in the MIAC (BU) and well over two-times more overall.  Additionally, as a football-oriented institution, UST spends proportionally much more per athlete on football players than it does on other athletes compared to it's MIAC peers.

I guess that goes to show the priorities of the institutions in the MIAC.  And how much U$T is willing to spend in order to buy their way into national contention.

SJU may drop some coin on football, as per your belief, but they have a hell of a long way to go to catch up to the Caruso money machine.

(And my apologies to any offended GAC readers.  Your school comes in a comfortable and humble fourth place in the list of schools I selected.)

[OzJohnnie]

You know, I just got to thinking that maybe I was being unfair to U$T.  Perhaps buying your way to national contention is expensive.  Perhaps Caruso doesn't throw the program's money around like a sailor on shore leave just because he can, but he does it because he must.  So I thought I should compare U$T against a national contender in a fair fight.  UMU, step to the plate.

The first column is Mount Union and the second is UST.

Opex:



Direct expenditure:




So those money trucks at U$T appear to be used a little wastefully.  UST outspends UMU nearly two to one on football ($728,661 vs 1,398,548).  Heck, UMU barely outspends the regularly strong MIAC squads. Assuming the squads are almost the same size the spend per player gap between UMU and UST is huge.

Maybe bags of money aren't what buy national championships.  But they sure keep St Glenn happy.

[OzJohnnie]

But then I thought, maybe I'm being really unfair.  What about other national contenders?  Like UMHB, for instance.  Well, here we have something.  UMHB outspends UST (and every other non-Texan DIII team, I imagine) on football by quite a fair margin ($2,055,290 v $1,398,588).  But then they actually have won a championship, so, yeah.

(UHMB spends 75% of it's entire men's sports budget just on football.  Chicken nuggets from McDonald's at the end of the year pretty much sums up the spend for every other sport in Texas.)

[sjusection105]

I thought rather than just state uninformed opinions (as easy and fun as that is), perhaps we should inform ourselves.

Oz, how dare you actually let facts get in the way of a Tommie narrative. You should know better!

[Pat Coleman]

All of those comparisons are pointless when SJU is a black box. None of us has that data.

(Although since SJU doesn't do a lot of traveling and I've heard over and over about stingy monks, they better not spend a lot!  )

[Mr.MIAC]

You guys are really motivated this year. You've elevated the Johnnie Smokefest with data. By the way, what Pat said...