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sac

NC 72  Alma 51

NC dominated the first half of this one but in kind of weird way as they only shot 40% against Alma's zone but defensively held Alma under 30%.  The first half rebounding was a staggering 31-13 advantage for NC with something like a dozen offensive rebounds yet that had few second chance points.

Alma did make it a better game in the second half and I think got the margin under ten once.  Key moment was probably Alma missing a fast break 3 that would have cut the lead to 7 only to see NC bury a 3 at the other end off the miss.  Potential 7 point margin to 13, the Cardinals buried them in the last 6 min.


Raridon played a secondary role in this one with Alma playing almost exclusively zone and doubling him anytime he got the ball within 15 feet of the bucket.  I don't know if NC normally plays him on the perimeter in a guard role but that was where he spent most of this one.  His buckets were mostly nifty step through the zone shot from mid range.   Alma did try to play man defense once and Raridon skillfully cut to the left wing and buried a silky smooth 3......and that was the last man defense Alma attempted, maybe for the season.

The entire margin of the game is exactly the difference of 14 made 3's for NC to 7 for Alma,  Scots had their chances they just couldn't make enough shots to stay with North Central.  But I never felt like Alma was a big threat, NC is simply bigger, stronger, deeper and a little more skilled overall.


Nice to see the Cardinals, always enjoy seeing good CCIW teams.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: sac on December 16, 2017, 12:46:10 AM
NC 72  Alma 51

NC dominated the first half of this one but in kind of weird way as they only shot 40% against Alma's zone but defensively held Alma under 30%.  The first half rebounding was a staggering 31-13 advantage for NC with something like a dozen offensive rebounds yet that had few second chance points.

Alma did make it a better game in the second half and I think got the margin under ten once.  Key moment was probably Alma missing a fast break 3 that would have cut the lead to 7 only to see NC bury a 3 at the other end off the miss.  Potential 7 point margin to 13, the Cardinals buried them in the last 6 min.

No, the ten-point deficit of which you spoke (58-48 with 7:53 to go) was as close as the Scots got in the second half.

Quote from: sac on December 16, 2017, 12:46:10 AMRaridon played a secondary role in this one with Alma playing almost exclusively zone and doubling him anytime he got the ball within 15 feet of the bucket.  I don't know if NC normally plays him on the perimeter in a guard role but that was where he spent most of this one.

He's functioned as a Pippenesque "point forward" for much of the three NCC games I've seen this season.

Quote from: sac on December 16, 2017, 12:46:10 AMHis buckets were mostly nifty step through the zone shot from mid range.   Alma did try to play man defense once and Raridon skillfully cut to the left wing and buried a silky smooth 3......and that was the last man defense Alma attempted, maybe for the season.

I know that that zone is not only Alma's bread and butter, it's Alma's identity. But when you're 1-5, it might be worth shaking things up a little.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

hopefan

Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 15, 2017, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: kiko on December 15, 2017, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: iwu70 on December 15, 2017, 10:26:26 PM
Yes, I wondered about the box from that Alma-NCC game.  It had Sorenson playing one minute! 

Well, 4:30 a.m. -- you gotta want it.

Greg, how's the CCIW doing overall so far this year -- in the non-conference win/loss stat?

'70

There's a thread that tracks that in the multi-region boards (thanks, hopefan!).  Hasn't been updated as recently as one might wish, but as of 12-10 the CCIW was 28-14.  IIRC, this is roughly average; neither good nor bad by historical standards.

It is a landmark day in CCIW Chatland when Ypsi gets Ypsi'ed...  ::)

:D I thought the same thing!

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 11:31:54 PM
I never requested hopefan to open the thread, so not sure how I got Ypsi'ed?  Just pointing Mark to an ongoing thread that would deal with his question.  Sheesh!! ;D

He asked for information that he could've easily looked up for himself, and you provided it for him, unbidden. You didn't merely "point Mark to an ongoing thread that would deal with his question" ... you provided him with an actual answer:

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 10:45:17 PMas of 12-10 the CCIW was 28-14.

And that, my friend, is a Ypsi.

And I suppose that explaining to you what a Ypsi is after you had inquired as to how you'd been Ypsi'ed may mean that I, in turn, have just been Ypsi'ed as well. :-\

The CCIW is 31-15 vs D3 non-conference through games of 12/15/17.  I choose to post those standings on a weekly basis, after Sunday's games   ;).
The only thing not to be liked in Florida is no D3 hoops!!!

iwu70


Gregory Sager

As Chuck said, it's about average by CCIW standards.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

AndOne

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 15, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
With tonight's victory by North Central over Alma, NCC Head Coach Todd Raridon achieved his 499th win as a head coach. In this, his fourteenth season at NCC his record, after tonight's ninth game of the 2017-2018 season, stands at 230-129. Previous to coming to North Central in 2004-05, Todd served as head coach at Nebraska Wesleyan from 1989-90 through 2003-04 where his record over that fifteen year span was 269-125. With his next win he will become only the thirteen active NCAA D3 head coach with 500 or more wins. Also, I believe he is also only the second coach to lead two different teams to the Final Four, doing so with his 1996-97 NWU team which finished 2nd, and his 2012-2013 NCC team. Looking forward hopefully to #500 next Tuesday night vs. Albion at home.

AO, you forgot to mention WHY Todd Raridon only finished second in Salem in 1997! ;D

* Because the other team scored a whole 3 points more? 🤔
* Because doing so would be akin to saying Ron Rose doesn't deserve any credit for reaching the Final Four in 2012 and 2014 because he didn't even reach the championship game as Raridon did in 1997. 😏
* Because the whole point of my post was to recognize an entire body of outstanding work over 29 years as opposed to any single game, win or lose, among over 750 games. 😎

You apparently forgot that the focus isn't always only on things that come wrapped in green.  :o  ;)

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: AndOne on December 16, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2017, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 15, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
With tonight's victory by North Central over Alma, NCC Head Coach Todd Raridon achieved his 499th win as a head coach. In this, his fourteenth season at NCC his record, after tonight's ninth game of the 2017-2018 season, stands at 230-129. Previous to coming to North Central in 2004-05, Todd served as head coach at Nebraska Wesleyan from 1989-90 through 2003-04 where his record over that fifteen year span was 269-125. With his next win he will become only the thirteen active NCAA D3 head coach with 500 or more wins. Also, I believe he is also only the second coach to lead two different teams to the Final Four, doing so with his 1996-97 NWU team which finished 2nd, and his 2012-2013 NCC team. Looking forward hopefully to #500 next Tuesday night vs. Albion at home.

AO, you forgot to mention WHY Todd Raridon only finished second in Salem in 1997! ;D

* Because the other team scored a whole 3 points more? 🤔
* Because doing so would be akin to saying Ron Rose doesn't deserve any credit for reaching the Final Four in 2012 and 2014 because he didn't even reach the championship game as Raridon did in 1997. 😏
* Because the whole point of my post was to recognize an entire body of outstanding work over 29 years as opposed to any single game, win or lose, among over 750 games. 😎

You apparently forgot that the focus isn't always only on things that come wrapped in green.  :o  ;)

Ooh, a bit touchy, aren't we?  In addition to my green blood, I'm also enough of a CCIW supporter that I'd probably spring for the extra few words to note that he was beaten in the title game by a CCIW team.  I'd also likely be aware enough to realize that a one-liner ending with a  ;D is probably meant as a smart-ass nudge, not a real complaint!

iwu70

Warm congrats to Coach Raridon.

AO, get over it.

Coach Raridon has had a great run.  CCIW or no. 

'70

Gregory Sager

Final from up on the North Shore:

North Park 65
Lake Forest 59

Colin Lake: 22 pts, 5 rebs
Matt Szuba: 12 pts
Matt Mohr: 10 rebs

Tom Slyder drew up a great game plan for the Vikings, and they executed it really well against a good Foresters team that was 7-1 coming into the contest (including a six-point win at Carthage). The Foresters looked to trap at halfcourt and along the sidelines and frequently threw a second defender at Colin Lake up high, and when they had the ball they looked to score within the first fifteen seconds of the possession every time. But the Vikings remained patient, kept the game at the slow pace that they wanted, and did a great job of staying out of traps, continuing to move with the ball stationary up top, and exploiting the overplay defense with a lot of baseline cuts. Lake back-doored his way to 20 of his 22 points in the second half, almost all of them via layups or free throws.

NPU never led by more than seven, and after making their first ten free throws of the game they missed three of the four that they attempted in the game's final minute, but their defense was stout in crunch time and Matt Mohr in particular proved himself a real soldier down low defending the paint and grabbing big rebounds.

Nice win by the Vikes.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Gregory Sager

Augustana beat Central, 82-73, out in Pella, IA.

Calvin nipped Carthage in overtime over on the other side of the lake, 79-75.

Alma @ Wheaton tips off a half-hour from now.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

kiko

Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.

(Am I doing this right?)

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: kiko on December 16, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.

(Am I doing this right?)

No. 

Gregory Sager

Former North Park point guard and assistant coach Jeff (JP) Pearson is working yet another game at Wheaton tonight. Every time I turn on a Wheaton game I see JP wearing stripes and a whistle. He's taken over for Dave Laning as the house ref at King Arena. As Laning always has, JP's calling a good and even-handed game tonight, but I keep wondering when Wheaton's going to give him his own office in the Chrouser Sports Complex.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

mr_b

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: kiko on December 16, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.

(Am I doing this right?)

No.
Congrats to Illinois Wesleyan for Augustana's 82-73 over Central in the deepest depths of Iowa today.


Fixed that for you.

Gregory Sager

Alma finally figured out how to beat a CCIW team, knocking off Wheaton, 87-82.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell