East Region Fan Poll

[lewdogg11]

he who smites should also reply....

I'll come right out and admit.  I smited you, not because you think Endicott can compete, but because you just aren't getting it.  I don't think there are too many people on this board that do not think that Endicott can win at least 1 game in the playoffs.  They are a decent team and the NEFC is improving a little at a time.  They are getting recognized on all of the polls and people are paying attention to them. 

The issue here is the manner of which Sir Charles is trying to tout Endicott and the NEFC.  He's over the top and he's made some ridiculous comments and then he even tries to defend himself by twisting other people's posts.  Dude can be proud of his team for finally winning consistently, but being obnoxious isn't going to make a lot of fans.  Even if they do better than everyone thinks, in the end, he's still a blue duck.(*and in this case, it's code for a-hole)

[AUKaz00]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 4 )	6-0	67	2	at Hartwick
2   Montclair State( 3 )	6-0	60	3	at New Jersey
3   Delaware Valley	5-0	58	4	vs. King's
4   Hobart	4-0	50	5	vs. Merchant Marine
5   St. John Fisher	5-1	39	7	at Springfield
6   Kean	5-1	33	1	vs. Morrisville State
7   Cortland State	4-2	26	8	vs. William Paterson
8   Widener	6-1	16	NR	vs. #10 Lebanon Valley
9   Lycoming	5-1	15	NR	at Stevenson
10  Lebanon Valley	5-1	11	NR	at #8 Widener

Dropped Out:
#6 Alfred
#9 Endicott
#10 New Jersey


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 8
Rowan 1
Springfield 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,2,2,1,2,1)
Montclair State (5,2,1,1,3,1,4)
Delaware Valley (2,4,3,3,2,3,2)
Hobart (3,3,5,4,4,5,3)
St. John Fisher (6,6,4,5,6,6,5)
Kean (8,5,6,6,5,7,7)
Cortland State (4,10,7,10,7,4,9)
Widener (7,8,NR,8,10,NR,6)
Lycoming (9,9,8,9,8,NR,8)
Lebanon Valley (10,NR,9,7,9,9,NR)
Endicott (NR,7,10,NR,NR,8,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Springfield (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)



Key Matchups:
#10 Lebanon Valley at #8 Widener

[lewdogg11]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 4 )	6-0	67	2	at Hartwick
2   Montclair State( 3 )	6-0	60	3	at New Jersey
3   Delaware Valley	5-0	58	4	vs. King's
4   Hobart	4-0	50	5	vs. Merchant Marine
5   St. John Fisher	5-1	39	7	at Springfield
6   Kean	5-1	33	1	vs. Morrisville State
7   Cortland State	4-2	26	8	vs. William Paterson
8   Widener	6-1	16	NR	vs. #10 Lebanon Valley
9   Lycoming	5-1	15	NR	at Stevenson
10  Lebanon Valley	5-1	11	NR	at #8 Widener

Dropped Out:
#6 Alfred
#9 Endicott
#10 New Jersey


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 8
Rowan 1
Springfield 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,2,2,1,2,1)
Montclair State (5,2,1,1,3,1,4)
Delaware Valley (2,4,3,3,2,3,2)
Hobart (3,3,5,4,4,5,3)
St. John Fisher (6,6,4,5,6,6,5)
Kean (8,5,6,6,5,7,7)
Cortland State (4,10,7,10,7,4,9)
Widener (7,8,NR,8,10,NR,6)
Lycoming (9,9,8,9,8,NR,8)
Lebanon Valley (10,NR,9,7,9,9,NR)
Endicott (NR,7,10,NR,NR,8,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Springfield (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)



Key Matchups:
#10 Lebanon Valley at #8 Widener

Very surprised to see Endicott drop out with a 49-0 W over Plymouth((4-3) with 4 JV wins) and replaced by Lebanon Valley with a 51-7 W over FDU-Florham((0-6) all blowout losses).  Neither win is overly 'impressive', but expected.  Usually don't see a swing like that when a team wins 49-0.  Interesting.

I see voter 1 is still being stubborn as all hell.  Now it's with Cortland/Montclair.  It's gotta be a Cortland guy right?

[SJFF82]

he who smites should also reply....

I'll come right out and admit.  I smited you, not because you think Endicott can compete, but because you just aren't getting it.  I don't think there are too many people on this board that do not think that Endicott can win at least 1 game in the playoffs.  They are a decent team and the NEFC is improving a little at a time.   They are getting recognized on all of the polls and people are paying attention to them. 

The issue here is the manner of which Sir Charles is trying to tout Endicott and the NEFC.  He's over the top and he's made some ridiculous comments and then he even tries to defend himself by twisting other people's posts.  Dude can be proud of his team for finally winning consistently, but being obnoxious isn't going to make a lot of fans.  Even if they do better than everyone thinks, in the end, he's still a blue duck.(*and in this case, it's code for a-hole)

i did not get that out of the replies.  I do agree that most of the backlash at Charles was due to his 'attitude' as opposed to who he was touting.

[Bombers798891]

Two problems, though, Bombers.  Look at the Liberty League -- there's a good chance that any league will begin to bulk up in the middle anyway, with 7 teams or 10 teams.  Even the E8 is beginning to do that this year.  Also, the current SoS index does nothing to reflect what you just stated (the 7-1/1-7 opponents instead of 5-4/4-5 opponents).  At the end of the season, with the exception of the game played against that team, both pairs of games register as basically .500 in the OWP (with maybe only slight variations in OOWP).

That's why I said we need to have a way look beyond the numbers. When we think about strength of schedule, we're talking about the quality of the teams you beat. If you beat a pair of team that go a combined 17-1 when not playing you, that to me, means you probably beat two very good teams. Beating teams with 4 or 5 losses is usually less impressive.

What I'm suggesting is that instead of taking the entire schedule and combining it into one giant ~.500 mess, we take a look at the individual components that make up that mess. Life's a journey, not a destination, isn't it? Let's look at *how* we get to ~.500, not just that we get there

[lewdogg11]

he who smites should also reply....

I'll come right out and admit.  I smited you, not because you think Endicott can compete, but because you just aren't getting it.  I don't think there are too many people on this board that do not think that Endicott can win at least 1 game in the playoffs.  They are a decent team and the NEFC is improving a little at a time.   They are getting recognized on all of the polls and people are paying attention to them. 

The issue here is the manner of which Sir Charles is trying to tout Endicott and the NEFC.  He's over the top and he's made some ridiculous comments and then he even tries to defend himself by twisting other people's posts.  Dude can be proud of his team for finally winning consistently, but being obnoxious isn't going to make a lot of fans.  Even if they do better than everyone thinks, in the end, he's still a blue duck.(*and in this case, it's code for a-hole)

i did not get that out of the replies.  I do agree that most of the backlash at Charles was due to his 'attitude' as opposed to who he was touting.

I'll give your +K back then :-)

[Bombers798891]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 4 )	6-0	67	2	at Hartwick
2   Montclair State( 3 )	6-0	60	3	at New Jersey
3   Delaware Valley	5-0	58	4	vs. King's
4   Hobart	4-0	50	5	vs. Merchant Marine
5   St. John Fisher	5-1	39	7	at Springfield
6   Kean	5-1	33	1	vs. Morrisville State
7   Cortland State	4-2	26	8	vs. William Paterson
8   Widener	6-1	16	NR	vs. #10 Lebanon Valley
9   Lycoming	5-1	15	NR	at Stevenson
10  Lebanon Valley	5-1	11	NR	at #8 Widener

Dropped Out:
#6 Alfred
#9 Endicott
#10 New Jersey


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 8
Rowan 1
Springfield 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,2,2,1,2,1)
Montclair State (5,2,1,1,3,1,4)
Delaware Valley (2,4,3,3,2,3,2)
Hobart (3,3,5,4,4,5,3)
St. John Fisher (6,6,4,5,6,6,5)
Kean (8,5,6,6,5,7,7)
Cortland State (4,10,7,10,7,4,9)
Widener (7,8,NR,8,10,NR,6)
Lycoming (9,9,8,9,8,NR,8)
Lebanon Valley (10,NR,9,7,9,9,NR)
Endicott (NR,7,10,NR,NR,8,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Springfield (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)



Key Matchups:
#10 Lebanon Valley at #8 Widener

So, um, voter #3. Fisher over Hobart huh? Gotta say I'm not a fan. Alfred getting reduced to a smoldering crater and Ithaca losing makes those wins carry a little less weight, even if Rochester and Buffalo State picked up wins. And unlike the whole Kean/Cortland drama, this wasn't a situation where the Cardinals got stopped on the goal line as time ran out and might have played better. Hobart just whipped them. I also give credit to the Statesman playing 3 of 4 on the road, while Fisher's had a lot of home cooking.

Hopefully this doesn't start a firestorm, and I'm not trying to diss Fisher here. But it's how I see it

[lewdogg11]

Here was what I submitted:

1   Salibury (6-0)
2   Montclair St. (6-0)
3   Hobart (4-0)
4   Delaware Valley (7-0)
5   Kean (5-1)
6   St. John Fisher (5-1)
7   Endicott (7-0)
8   Widener (6-1)
9   Lycoming (5-1)
10   Cortland (4-2)

Not too far off from the actual rankings.  I think Cortland is probably a bit better than 10 but the 2 losses pretty much dismisses them from the postseason, so it's tough to keep them up too high.  I'm actually fine with anyone voting Montclair, Salisbury, Hobart or Del Valley at 1, but to me Salisbury is the clear top dog at this point.  I still don't really know what to think of Hobart, Del Valley, and Montclair.  Montclair's results don't overly impress me, but I feel like they do that every single year.  Salisbury just wins with a ton of style points but they still have Wesley and Fisher to shake them up.

Remainder of the season is gonna get fun.

[rams1102]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 4 )	6-0	67	2	at Hartwick
2   Montclair State( 3 )	6-0	60	3	at New Jersey
3   Delaware Valley	5-0	58	4	vs. King's
4   Hobart	4-0	50	5	vs. Merchant Marine
5   St. John Fisher	5-1	39	7	at Springfield
6   Kean	5-1	33	1	vs. Morrisville State
7   Cortland State	4-2	26	8	vs. William Paterson
8   Widener	6-1	16	NR	vs. #10 Lebanon Valley
9   Lycoming	5-1	15	NR	at Stevenson
10  Lebanon Valley	5-1	11	NR	at #8 Widener

Dropped Out:
#6 Alfred
#9 Endicott
#10 New Jersey


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 8
Rowan 1
Springfield 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,2,2,1,2,1)
Montclair State (5,2,1,1,3,1,4)
Delaware Valley (2,4,3,3,2,3,2)
Hobart (3,3,5,4,4,5,3)
St. John Fisher (6,6,4,5,6,6,5)
Kean (8,5,6,6,5,7,7)
Cortland State (4,10,7,10,7,4,9)
Widener (7,8,NR,8,10,NR,6)
Lycoming (9,9,8,9,8,NR,8)
Lebanon Valley (10,NR,9,7,9,9,NR)
Endicott (NR,7,10,NR,NR,8,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Springfield (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)



Key Matchups:
#10 Lebanon Valley at #8 Widener

So, um, voter #3. Fisher over Hobart huh? Gotta say I'm not a fan. Alfred getting reduced to a smoldering crater and Ithaca losing makes those wins carry a little less weight, even if Rochester and Buffalo State picked up wins. And unlike the whole Kean/Cortland drama, this wasn't a situation where the Cardinals got stopped on the goal line as time ran out and might have played better. Hobart just whipped them. I also give credit to the Statesman playing 3 of 4 on the road, while Fisher's had a lot of home cooking.

Hopefully this doesn't start a firestorm, and I'm not trying to diss Fisher here. But it's how I see it

I'm voter #3. I realize that Hobart beat Fisher pretty good. Fisher plays a (10) game schedule and their conference is very good. I am not a fan of either team. I am not sure we will know more about Hobart other then they will win the LL and go to the dance. The next 2-3 weeks will tell when it comes to Fisher and Salisbury, but as of now I lead twords Fisher. Looks like voter #1 & #7 have no love for Montclair. Pretty surprised to see Endicott getting bumped. I guess all the chatter about the NEFC killed them.

[lewdogg11]

Week 7 Fan Poll 

Team	Record	Points	Last Rating	Next Week
1   Salisbury( 4 )	6-0	67	2	at Hartwick
2   Montclair State( 3 )	6-0	60	3	at New Jersey
3   Delaware Valley	5-0	58	4	vs. King's
4   Hobart	4-0	50	5	vs. Merchant Marine
5   St. John Fisher	5-1	39	7	at Springfield
6   Kean	5-1	33	1	vs. Morrisville State
7   Cortland State	4-2	26	8	vs. William Paterson
8   Widener	6-1	16	NR	vs. #10 Lebanon Valley
9   Lycoming	5-1	15	NR	at Stevenson
10  Lebanon Valley	5-1	11	NR	at #8 Widener

Dropped Out:
#6 Alfred
#9 Endicott
#10 New Jersey


Also Receiving votes:               
Endicott 8
Rowan 1
Springfield 1

            
Voting Distribution:            

Salisbury (1,1,2,2,1,2,1)
Montclair State (5,2,1,1,3,1,4)
Delaware Valley (2,4,3,3,2,3,2)
Hobart (3,3,5,4,4,5,3)
St. John Fisher (6,6,4,5,6,6,5)
Kean (8,5,6,6,5,7,7)
Cortland State (4,10,7,10,7,4,9)
Widener (7,8,NR,8,10,NR,6)
Lycoming (9,9,8,9,8,NR,8)
Lebanon Valley (10,NR,9,7,9,9,NR)
Endicott (NR,7,10,NR,NR,8,NR)
Rowan (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10,NR)
Springfield (NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,NR,10)



Key Matchups:
#10 Lebanon Valley at #8 Widener

So, um, voter #3. Fisher over Hobart huh? Gotta say I'm not a fan. Alfred getting reduced to a smoldering crater and Ithaca losing makes those wins carry a little less weight, even if Rochester and Buffalo State picked up wins. And unlike the whole Kean/Cortland drama, this wasn't a situation where the Cardinals got stopped on the goal line as time ran out and might have played better. Hobart just whipped them. I also give credit to the Statesman playing 3 of 4 on the road, while Fisher's had a lot of home cooking.

Hopefully this doesn't start a firestorm, and I'm not trying to diss Fisher here. But it's how I see it

I'm voter #3. I realize that Hobart beat Fisher pretty good. Fisher plays a (10) game schedule and their conference is very good. I am not a fan of either team. I am not sure we will know more about Hobart other then they will win the LL and go to the dance. The next 2-3 weeks will tell when it comes to Fisher and Salisbury, but as of now I lead twords Fisher. Looks like voter #1 & #7 have no love for Montclair. Pretty surprised to see Endicott getting bumped. I guess all the chatter about the NEFC killed them.

I hear what you are saying with Fisher/Hobart and their respective leagues/schedules.  But that wasn't a 34-33 head to head.  It was a blowout.  I have to agree with Bombers that it doesn't make a ton of sense.

[AUKaz00]

Very surprised to see Endicott drop out with a 49-0 W over Plymouth((4-3) with 4 JV wins) and replaced by Lebanon Valley with a 51-7 W over FDU-Florham((0-6) all blowout losses).  Neither win is overly 'impressive', but expected.  Usually don't see a swing like that when a team wins 49-0.  Interesting.

I see voter 1 is still being stubborn as all hell.  Now it's with Cortland/Montclair.  It's gotta be a Cortland guy right?

Well, Endicott did make 9th in last week's poll with 8 points, the same number they garnered this week.  Endicott will likely grab some more votes next week barring a close finish between Widener and Leb Valley.

And, FWIW, voter #1 left Cortland and Montclair in the same spot as last week when the focus was clearly on the positioning of Kean.

[SJFF82]

he who smites should also reply....

I'll come right out and admit.  I smited you, not because you think Endicott can compete, but because you just aren't getting it.  I don't think there are too many people on this board that do not think that Endicott can win at least 1 game in the playoffs.  They are a decent team and the NEFC is improving a little at a time.   They are getting recognized on all of the polls and people are paying attention to them. 

The issue here is the manner of which Sir Charles is trying to tout Endicott and the NEFC.  He's over the top and he's made some ridiculous comments and then he even tries to defend himself by twisting other people's posts.  Dude can be proud of his team for finally winning consistently, but being obnoxious isn't going to make a lot of fans.  Even if they do better than everyone thinks, in the end, he's still a blue duck.(*and in this case, it's code for a-hole)

i did not get that out of the replies.  I do agree that most of the backlash at Charles was due to his 'attitude' as opposed to who he was touting.

I'll give your +K back then :-)

ok, and here's yours back...

[pg04]

Very surprised to see Endicott drop out with a 49-0 W over Plymouth((4-3) with 4 JV wins) and replaced by Lebanon Valley with a 51-7 W over FDU-Florham((0-6) all blowout losses).  Neither win is overly 'impressive', but expected.  Usually don't see a swing like that when a team wins 49-0.  Interesting.

I see voter 1 is still being stubborn as all hell.  Now it's with Cortland/Montclair.  It's gotta be a Cortland guy right?

Well, Endicott did make 9th in last week's poll with 8 points, the same number they garnered this week.  Endicott will likely grab some more votes next week barring a close finish between Widener and Leb Valley.

And, FWIW, voter #1 left Cortland and Montclair in the same spot as last week when the focus was clearly on the positioning of Kean.

Are you voter #1?  Everyone has pretty much fessed up but voter 1

[AUKaz00]

Are you voter #1?  Everyone has pretty much fessed up but voter 1

If everyone is so interested, yes, I am the stubborn as hell voter #1.  I like to try and stay out of the "parsing every ballot" discussions since I don't want to keep anyone from joining in the future for fear they'll have to spend hours discussing why they placed each team where they did.  We've had a hard enough time getting 7 voters this year!

But feel free to say Kaz is a d-bag rather than voter #1 from now on.

[pg04]

Are you voter #1?  Everyone has pretty much fessed up but voter 1

If everyone is so interested, yes, I am the stubborn as hell voter #1.  I like to try and stay out of the "parsing every ballot" discussions since I don't want to keep anyone from joining in the future for fear they'll have to spend hours discussing why they placed each team where they did.  We've had a hard enough time getting 7 voters this year!

But feel free to say Kaz is a d-bag rather than voter #1 from now on.

I just figured since the cloak of mystery was pretty much gone I would ask, but in general I agree with it being able to be anonymous when possible... But everyone else had already pretty much given it up.  In previous years, I switched up where the voters were every so often, but yeah with 7 its tough.