Question on NCAA rule

[AUKaz00]

I am no official but I think the fans are allowed to have noise makers but not horns as they can be mistaken for the horn on the scoreboard.

so say we distribute a ton of cow bells and can shakers, thats cool then?  As long as there are no horns its cool?

I'm not sure of the rule, but our pep band stops playing when the QB gets under center (or actually when the offense starts lining up).  In the past we were flagged for a 5 yard penalty which I believe was a delay of game penalty.  However, I have been places and have heard cowbells rung constantly without any repercussion.  I think most refs let it go, but if the opposing coach makes an issue of it there is a rule against noisemakers.  I'd be interested in seeing the official rule myself.

[PA_wesleyfan]

here's 2 rules that I think should be changed.

1. If a team commits a flagrant personal foul penaulty at the same the other team has an off side or motion penaulty they should mark off the difference. Otherwise the offending team gets off with out any consequences.

2. If a player runs arpnd the endzone after intercepting a pass it should be a safety. (Wesley's player actually ran around the endzone for 8 seconds before taking a knee.) Just a play I always though should be called 

[Just Bill]

2. If a player runs arpnd the endzone after intercepting a pass it should be a safety. (Wesley's player actually ran around the endzone for 8 seconds before taking a knee.) Just a play I always though should be called 

Why shouldn't the player have the opportunity to look for a return lane?  How is a referee supposed to judge when he's making a return and when he's just "running around?"  Or, are you saying that any interception in the end zone should be a safety if they don't get out?

If a player intercepted the ball at the 10 and ran around in that vicinity for eight seconds would you advocate that the play be blown dead and spotted at the 10?  You can't have it one way in the end zone and a different rule in the field of play.

[JT]

2. If a player runs arpnd the endzone after intercepting a pass it should be a safety. (Wesley's player actually ran around the endzone for 8 seconds before taking a knee.) Just a play I always though should be called 

Why shouldn't the player have the opportunity to look for a return lane?  How is a referee supposed to judge when he's making a return and when he's just "running around?"  Or, are you saying that any interception in the end zone should be a safety if they don't get out?

If a player intercepted the ball at the 10 and ran around in that vicinity for eight seconds would you advocate that the play be blown dead and spotted at the 10?  You can't have it one way in the end zone and a different rule in the field of play.

This all goes back to the rule of force.  What force put the ball into the endzone... the pass which was intercepted.  The Wesley player can do the river dance and its a touchback.  He can get tackled in the endzone trying to bring it out and it is still a touchback.

[PA_wesleyfan]

2. If a player runs arpnd the endzone after intercepting a pass it should be a safety. (Wesley's player actually ran around the endzone for 8 seconds before taking a knee.) Just a play I always though should be called 

Why shouldn't the player have the opportunity to look for a return lane?  How is a referee supposed to judge when he's making a return and when he's just "running around?"  Or, are you saying that any interception in the end zone should be a safety if they don't get out?

If a player intercepted the ball at the 10 and ran around in that vicinity for eight seconds would you advocate that the play be blown dead and spotted at the 10?  You can't have it one way in the end zone and a different rule in the field of play.

This all goes back to the rule of force.  What force put the ball into the endzone... the pass which was intercepted.  The Wesley player can do the river dance and its a touchback.  He can get tackled in the endzone trying to bring it out and it is still a touchback.

What I meant was if the player runs around he should have to get out of the endzone....It's another of those gray area non calls. He can run out the clock at but if he IS trying to get out to return it anddoesn't get out it he's still safe!!!

[altor]

But why make it a gray area non-call when you can make the decision is already a completely objective one?  I like the use of the impetus rule to decide safety vs touchback for that very reason.  It makes the decision very easy.  Why was the ball in the endzone to begin with?

[PA_wesleyfan]

But why make it a gray area non-call when you can make the decision is already a completely objective one?  I like the use of the impetus rule to decide safety vs touchback for that very reason.  It makes the decision very easy.  Why was the ball in the endzone to begin with?

Interception.

[KentATM]

If a player is able to run out the clock after intercepting it in the endzone by running around for 8 seconds I don't think the team that tossed it was going to have much of a chance to score before the half or game ended anyway.

[altor]

Sorry, I wasn't asking about the scenario.  The answer to "Why was the ball in the end zone to begin with?" or more properly "Who caused the ball to go into the end zone?" will effectively tell you whether the play should be a touchback or a safety.  It takes away nearly all subjectiveness on the part of the official.

I've even seen a kick returner muff the kick in the end zone.  He had trouble picking it up and eventually just tossed the ball out the back of the end zone.  I'm positive he did so thinking that giving up 2 points was better than 6, but the official made the right call and placed the ball at the 20.  The ball crossed the goal line because the kicking team put it there.  No subjective call was needed.

[Just Bill]

What I meant was if the player runs around he should have to get out of the endzone....It's another of those gray area non calls. He can run out the clock at but if he IS trying to get out to return it anddoesn't get out it he's still safe!!!

That's my point.  You're going to ask the refs to interpret the intent of the player returning the ball?  That's a can of worms just waiting to be opened.  What if it takes him 8 seconds to find a way out of the end zone?  Some DB's will keep it alive just hoping for that chance to break it big.  Your logic doesn't make sense.

[JT]

But why make it a gray area non-call when you can make the decision is already a completely objective one?  I like the use of the impetus rule to decide safety vs touchback for that very reason.  It makes the decision very easy.  Why was the ball in the endzone to begin with?

Interception.

By rule it is the pass that put the ball in the endzone.  Hence a touchback. The DB was smart enough to know that he could run around in attempt to kill the clock.  That is just heads up play.

[PA_wesleyfan]

never mind geesh

[Teamski]

here's 2 rules that I think should be changed.

1. If a team commits a flagrant personal foul penaulty at the same the other team has an off side or motion penaulty they should mark off the difference. Otherwise the offending team gets off with out any consequences.

2. If a player runs arpnd the endzone after intercepting a pass it should be a safety. (Wesley's player actually ran around the endzone for 8 seconds before taking a knee.) Just a play I always though should be called 

I'm with the others on this one.  What's the difference between taking a knee in the endzone and taking a knee on the subsequent 1st down play to end the game??  There's nothing really "gamey" about it.  I'm kinda surprised that he ran the clock out like that.  The end game was the same either way.....

-Ski

[Jonny Utah]

How about this one.......

At the Curry/Coast Guard game, Curry had numerous 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 opportunities throughout the game.  What they would do is line up in a power-I formation, the qb would sneak left or right, and they would have these huge players (linemen even? cant remember) in the backfield as fullbacks that would push the line of scrimmage forward right on the Qbs back. 

Now I know its illegal to push an offensive player in the back to gain yardage.  Do they ever call it?  It was clear that Curry was pushing their QB's back and moving the whole line forward....

[Ron Boerger]

The illegal push (aka "helping the runner") is one of the least-called penalties in football at all levels.  You see it quite frequently, if perhaps not quite as blatantly as your example. 

No idea why it's on the books as it's almost never enforced.