C'mon, D3 teams ... gotta climb back to the .500 mark against NAIA-2.
I wonder if we're going to have to rely upon Nebraska Wesleyan to do most of the heavy lifting in that regard, considering their conference schedule?
Asbury (NAIA 2) 76, Thomas More 74
Colorado Coll. 84, Colorado-Colorado Springs (D2) 82
Geneva (NAIA 2) 125, Westminster, PA 116
North Georgia (NAIA 1) 113, Piedmont 94
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 86, Waynesburg 69
Greg: D3 teams have done much better against NAIA 2 opponents over the past three years than they have this year.
2002 118-58 (.670)
2003 92-60 (.605)
2004 93-62 (.600)
2005 64-69 (.481)
That's what I was thinking, Rhodes. I wrote down your year-by-year totals when you posted them here at the end of last season.
That 2-60 record against D1 schools really has to improve too...that's pathetic.
Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.
2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61
I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.
Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 87, Thiel 81
Morningside (NAIA 2) 76, Nebraska Wesleyan 69
St. Joseph's (L.I.) 70, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 64
Virginia Wesleyan 89, Newport News (USCAA) 74
Chapman 91, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 51
Lincoln 112, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 48
Marywood 79, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 67
Nebraska Wesleyan 57, Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 54
Carson-Newman (D2) 92, Maryville, TN 85
Huntingdon 78, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 58
Chowan 88, Newport News (USCAA) 75
NJCU 91, Briarcliff (USCAA) 49
Huntingdon 76, Carver Bible (NCCAA) 38
Lincoln 76, Wilmington, DE (D2) 58
Rockford 61, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 59
Question for "seasoned" historians: When did most D1's decide to discontinue scheduling D3's? My recollection of 25-30 years ago is that many D1's would schedule a D3 each year. Nowadays, only 55-60 D1's will play D3's. I assume that it's because D1's see no value (only downside possibly) re: their D1 RPI index or possible NCAA bid.
I believe there were more D1 vs. D3 matchups in the past, but I haven't seen any documentation on the matter. Right now, there's absolutely no benefit for a D1 team to take on a D3 team. A trend I have noticed in recent years is that weak D1s (Army, American, Albany, Binghamton, Columbia, Lafayette, Lehigh, etc.) are now either facing weaker D3s or not playing them at all.
D3 vs.
D1....2-60
D2....9-47
NAIA 1....16-22
NAIA 2....66-70
NCCAA....35-6
USCAA....67-8
Isn't that the same trend that is affecting the record vs NAIA-II? There is very little reason for a D-III school to schedule an NAIA-II. The games don't count in the regional rankings or records and if they lose, its almost always considered an upset. It seems like, for the most part, the higher end of D-III teams has stopped scheduling NAIA-II schools except where it is a geographical necessity. Rhodes can probably check on that from year to year. Maybe D-III is just having a down year (a possibility discussed at length early on in the season).
I do know Wabash once played Ball State, Houston, Arkansas, and UTEP in one strech in 1973-74. The next year they played Miami of Ohio, New Orleans, Centenary (with Robert Parish) and Cincinnati.
Wabash was also in a conference with Evansville, Butler and Valpo.
When Mac Petty got there he stopped that silliness for the most part, but when they won the title in 1982 they had four losses - three to Louisiana Tech, Texas A & I (now D-2 Texas A & M - Kingsville (Go Javelinas!)) and Texas - San Antonio.
The last time we played a D-1 team was Butler in 1988. It just makes no sense here - there's plenty of D-3 schools to play and there's plenty of D-1 schools for the D-1 schools to play.
(Message edited by SmedIndy on February 11, 2005)
Hoops Fan: There are a fair number of D3 schools that play NAIA 2 schools year in and year out. Many of those games are traditional rivalries. I think those games will continue to be played.
I don't know if the top D3 teams are playing less games against NAIA 2 teams or not. If they are, it could be do to geographic reasons more than anything else. Plus, I think that D3 and NAIA 2 are more evenly matched than you believe.
Scott Fendley: I think that in the '70s and early '80s quite a few D3 schools played multiple games against D1 opponents, and more against D2 teams as well.
Central 77, Faith Baptist (NCCAA) 64
Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 80, Wesley 78
Rhodes, I have long been in awe at your ability to find and post and keep track of these scores. For the last week or so, I've been chasing scores of the more obscure D3 (vs. D3) games, and I have a little taste of what it must be like to maintain this board. I have to admit that I grossly underestimated what you do. I'd have said it was impossible if I didn't see it right in front of me every day. Bravo and thanks, we truly appreciate what you do for us.
David: Thanks for the kind words. I've always found this topic interesting. On certain days a fair amount of work is involved, while on others it's pretty easy. I'm glad this forum is available and there are people out there who enjoy the board.
Johnson State 91, Paul Smith's (USCAA) 57
Colorado College 59, Western State (D2) 57
Lincoln 97, Newport News (USCAA) 69
Nebraska Wesleyan 90, Hastings (NAIA 2) 68
UW-Whitewater 100, Rob. Morris-Spring. (USCAA) 63
Fisk 91, Crichton (NCCAA) 74
Northern Colorado (D2) 83, Colorado College 67
I was rather surprised to see that score on the ESPN scroll last night.
Northern Colorado is beginning its migration to D-1. Plays mostly a D-1 schedule and is included in the RPI. I guess they needed a game.
Scott: You're right. I forgot that Northern Colorado is D1 provisional. I keep thinking of them as D2 because they were a D2 powerhouse in football. I'll classify them as D1 for the next won-lost totals.
I believe North Dakota State, South Dakota State and UC-Davis are D1 provisionals as well.
Yes, those four, Utah Valley State, and Longwood are the newbies on the D-1 block.
UC-Davis will join the Big West soon. I do not know where the others will land, but a low-major reshuffling of the Big Sky / Mid Con / Southland may ensue to try to include most of the independents.
Finlandia was incorrectly classified as USCAA at the beginning of the season. All three of those games have been eliminated from the new totals.
D3 vs.
D1....2-61
D2....10-47
NAIA 1....16-22
NAIA 2....67-70
NCCAA....37-7
USCAA....68-7
Thanks again for another season of logging these games, Rhodes.
New D3 versus D1 game to add. 20th ranked UW-Platteville @ UW-Milwaukee this friday. Do the reigning WIAC champs stand a chance against a Sweet Sixteen team coached by a former Pioneer (Rob Jeter). It'll be interesting to find out won't it. I'm predicting Pioneers by a lot...or losing by 20...one way or the other.
Isn't that an exhibition, though?
Yeah, it won't count in Rhodes' standings (if Rhodes is doing standings again) but its always nice to mention and see how our d3 schools do against the pay-for-play competition.
The first "official" D3 Exhibition vs a "D1" opponent was played last night as Ripon was downed by UW Green Bay 97-81. These games will be played thru the 17th of November, and are one of the 25 allowable games for D3 schools, but do not count in the schools' records. According to the small writeup in the MWC room, Ripon was up 1 at half!! No games tonite that I'm aware of, but activity picks up on Thursday the 3rd. Here is a list I've compiled of these games - not sure whether our scoreboard here will include them- I probably have missed a few
11/1/2005 A Ripon MWC-MW-D3 81 H UW Green Bay D1 97
11/3/2005 A Blackburn SLIAC-MW-D3 H Western Illinois D1
11/3/2005 A Illinois Wesleyan CCIW-MW-D3 H Illinois D1
11/5/2005 A Whitman NWC-West-D3 H Utah D1
11/5/2005 A Puget Sound NWC-West-D3 H San Jose D1
11/5/2005 A DePauw SCAC-South-D3 H Evansville D1
11/5/2005 A UW River Falls WIAC-West-D3 H Wisconsin D1
11/5/2005 A Capital OAC-GL-D3 H Valparaiso D1
11/8/2005 A UW Platteville WIAC-West-D3 H UW Milwaukee D1
11/9/2005 A UW Stout WIAC-West-D3 H UW Green Bay D1
11/9/2005 A Wartburg IIAC H Iowa D1
11/9/2005 A Defiance HCAC-MW-D3 H Wright St D1
11/11/2005 A Johns Hopkins CC-MA-D3 H Loyola Md D1
11/11/2005 A Muskingum OAC-Gl-D3 H Kent State D1
11/12/2005 A Greensboro USAC-South-D3 H High Point D1
11/12/2005 T Concordia Dallas ASCW-South-D3 T UTSA D1
11/12/2005 A Medgar Evers CUNY-Atl-D3 H Iona D1
11/12/2005 A Piedmont GSAC-South-D3 H Troy D1
11/14/2005 A Maryville Mo SLIAC-MW-D3 H St Louis D1
11/14/2005 A UW Whitewater SLIAC-MW-D3 H Marquette D1
11/14/2005 A Lawrence MWC-MW-D3 H Wisconsin D1
11/16/2005 A Lewis&Clark NWC-West-D3 H Oregon St D1
Sounds like a good showing for Ripon. Green Bay isn't a top level squad, but they are usually solid. I think 16 points is pretty respectable.
According to later posts on the MWC board, it was even more impressive: Ripon was up 2 about half-way through the second half! A huge discrepancy in foul calls (and 2 technicals) doomed Ripon - though (to their credit) the posters did NOT use officiating as an excuse, admitting that the size and athleticism differential may have forced Ripon to ACTUALLY foul more to stay in the game.
Nice job, hopefan person.
I see that Puget Sound/San Jose game being the best possible upset.
I still see ABSOLUTLEY no reason that D3 teams should be playing these games. You play a game that counts against your 25 but does not count in any other way. You get $2000 (maybe) and you lose.
Yeah maybe it's fun to play against a D1 and play close for a while, but what is the point? Schedule a tough D3 game if you want to play a very talented team in a game that means something.
If the NCAA wants to go making legislation, they ought to ban D3 vs D1 games. I just don't see the point.
C
I respectfully disagree, C. There is more to Division III athletics than the "Quality of Wins Index" and "Primary Criteria." These kid pay a whole bunch of money to attend a D3 school and they work awfully hard without ever getting much pub. I love the fact some of our student-athletes now get to experience the spotlight a little bit.
Illinois Wesleyan's players are going to experience the basketball thrill of a lifetime this evening, playing infront of a soldout Assembly Hall crowd (16,600) against the defending Division I national runner-up, the Fighting Illini. IWU's All-American point-guard will get a chance to face one of D1's top 2 or 3 point-guards - and the Big Ten Preseason Player of the Year - Dee Brown. IWU's program is getting a lot of great exposure out of the game...
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051102illinicage,1,3767962.story?coll=cs-home-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true
http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2005/11/03/sports/local_sports/1011051.txt
http://www.pjstar.com/stories/110305/ILL_B8169VGI.077.shtml
http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/110305/spo_20051103042.shtml
And IWU is getting $10,000, which does a lot of things for the athletic department.
Most team have plenty of other games to build their Q.O.W.I. Ask Stevens Point how the experience was last year vs Marquette and Travis Diener...
http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/04-05/Marquettegame.htm
I bet they wouldn't trade it for an "in-region" game.
The guys can play their heart out, knowing its not going to cost them any QoW points and get a better test than they could in a scrimmage.
I think its also a boost for recruiting. It's a lot easier to lure a d2 guy to IWU if he knows that there might be a chance to play against some of the D1's who passed on him over his four years.
Most importantly to me, it helps D3's rep overall. No matter how good the team is, they are expected to lose by 25 or 30, so even a blowout doesn't hurt the reputation, but a good performance can do a lot to increase the reputation of top d3 programs.
Remember with ESPN U out there, the better d3 can look, the better chance we have of getting some airtime, especially in the slow winter months. I just can't see ESPN sticking college indoor track on tv.
I also disagree Coach C.
D3 Fisk and D1 Tennessee State play every year in the fall. It has turned into a heated rivalry particularly since the schools are less than a mile apart. Nearly 7,000 fans have attended the game in recent years. It is a great experience for the players, fans and has been a great recruiting tool for the D3 school!
Gang -
I did not think that this would be a popular position, but heck, that has never stopped me before. Let's think about this ... you get to 'play your heart out' basically knowing that winning or losing isn't important in the game.
Well guys, that isnt what basketball or life are about. Yeah, it's how you play the game and all, but in the end we DO keep score in these games. We don't say at the end of the year "Well Bard plays really hard, so let's give them a Pool C bid over Augustana."
As for recruiting ... ehhh I doubt it. I have had kids say that they come because the program wins. I have had kids say that they come becasue the academics are good. i have had kids say that they come becasue they think they will get more playing time. I have had kids say that they come becasue of a strong national travel schedule. I have NEVER heard a kid say that he went somewhere becasue they play a D1 exhibition game.
As for playing for the money, this makes us mercenaries. It's what is wrong with the D1 game and they are making us dirty by close contact. Do you want to be seen as Marathon Oil? Becasue that is all you really are to the D1 program in all but the most unusual situations.
I know it feels good to see your team or your son on the ESPN crawl, but the D1 schools are using us. They want a live practice under true game conditions and we are giving up a game that could otherwise enhance the competition within D3. How much do we really get out of it? You cant really run your system. you cant play you nomal rotations. You learn nothing about how your stuff works because let's face it, unless you are playing a HORRIBLE D1 program, they are still way better than anyone we are going to see most years.
As for reputation ... nope not really. Who but the most dedicated among us remember Princeton almost losing to a D1 a few years back. With all due respect, how obscure is the D1 vs. D3 record? Usually all a D1 loss signifies is that the team was Prarie View A&M or Loyola or that they had 5 players suspended.
We should not be letting ourselves get used this way. If it's an exhibition, why does it cont against our 25? Why isn't it a scrimmage? Because then the D1 could not charge admission for it or broadcast it. Face it, we are dirtier every time we associate with the 'big boys.'
Like I said, I know that it won't be a popular position, but let's think about it. We are good enough without them.
C
Quote from: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 03:03:12 PM
Face it, we are dirtier every tim we assocate with the 'big boys.'
There is a lot to be said for that, true, but I would still want our kids to have a shot to enjoy the atmosphere for one night.
Coach, I think you inadvertantly made my point.
Quote from: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 03:03:12 PM
You cant really run your system. you cant play you nomal rotations. You learn nothing about how your stuff works
Is a d1 game a good idea for the majority of d3? Probably not. You're right, those teams could never run their system or rotations against a d1 team, even a poor one. However, for the top 15 or so programs in d3, their systems and rotations can generally stand up to a pre-season exhibition effort from even the best d1 schools.
Quote from: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 03:03:12 PM
let's face it, unless you are playing a HORRIBLE D1 program, they are still way better than anyone we are going to see most years.
I also have to respectfully disagree about this point. Certainly during the regular season, no solid d1 team would ruin their schedule strength and risk a poor showing by scheduling a top d3 team, but as an exhibition it becomes a chance to test your teams against a well-disciplined crew. I highly doubt that a HORRIBLE D1 program would be superior to IWU. I'm sure there are a couple dozen programs that could not top the Titans this season. The gap from top 5 d3 to bottom 20 d1 is not nearly as far as people believe.
Quote from: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 03:03:12 PM
With all due respect, how obscure is the D1 vs. D3 record?
Very. But as soon as a d3 school (like IWU) give a big-time school (Illinois) a scare or beats a mid-major team (admittedly that would be a long-shot upset), it will be big news. Maybe to you, the chance isn't worth the costs and I totally respect that opinion.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly,
Quote from: Coach C on November 03, 2005, 03:03:12 PM
we are giving up a game that could otherwise enhance the competition within D3. How much do we really get out of it?
Honestly, that game is not going to enhance the d3 competition. No one is going to travel any distance for a d3 scrimmage and a game against an inferior team is not going to give an experienced team anything new.
After all that is said. Sure, it's really dumb that it counts on the 25 (although it doesn't count as a game for d1, so I'm not sure your reasoning is right, Pat will have to fill me in on that one). That should be changed.
You're also right that its a dumb idea for a majority of d3 programs. If you don't have a top 15 squad, don't think about it. If your top 15 squad is all sophomores with no starting experience, forget it. There might be five or six teams each year that would benefit from it, like IWU this year. For those teams, I say they have to go for it. I don't see a whole lot of downside.
I gotta agree with the coach, even though I understand the thrill of those games, and the money involved (and I would love to be reading about a big IWU win tonight).
We are all always bragging about how DIII has the only true scholar-athletes (and we point out that scholar is first), yet we come running when the big boys wave money in our face. I think that's a bit hypocritical - IMHO.
Hey folks, just a heads-up, I thought this issue was important enough that I asked Coach C to write it up for the Daily Dose, so if you like, we can have this discussion on the blog, out on the front page.
Thanks for the soapbox, Pat!
This summer I got to meet Nick Bennett from UW-Stevens Point. Despite having won two national titles and being named all-conference and all that other stuff, he said the coolest thing he did in his career was play Marquette at the Bradley Center.
I think that says a lot.
Here, here. A big time game against a big time team on a big stage would be an amazing incentive for me, even if it had no bearing on my record.
results vs D1 through 1st weekend of exhibition games... have I missed any?
11/1/2005 A Ripon MWC-MW-D3 81 H UW Green Bay D1 97
11/3/2005 A Blackburn SLIAC-MW-D3 38 H Western Illinois D1 80
11/3/2005 A Illinois Wesleyan CCIW-MW-D3 60 H Illinois D1 82
11/3/2005 A Occidental SCAIAC-West-D3 38 H Utah St D1 66
11/5/2005 A Whitman NWC-West-D3 54 H Utah D1 77
11/5/2005 A Puget SoundNWC-West-D3 90 H San Jose D1 107
11/5/2005 A DePauw SCAC-South-D3 67 H Evansville D1 76
11/5/2005 A UW River Falls WIAC-West-D3 52 H Wisconsin D1 79
11/5/2005 A Capital OAC-GL-D3 63 H Valparaiso D1 69
Additional D3 matchup versus a D1 foe. December 28. Carnegie Mellon at Princeton.
Now, is Western Illinois big time? San Jose St.? How many people do they get for those games?
Western Illinois is most certainly not "big time". They play in the lowly Mid-Continent Conference, and the school itself is much more of a football school than a basketball school (there have been a number of Leathernecks who've played in the NFL in recent years). But WIU was a decent (for them) 11-17 last season, and they only lost to Indiana by five at Assembly Hall in Bloomington.
San Jose State was 6-23 last year, and they haven't had a winning season in five years. But they play in the moderately strong Western Athletic Conference.
It looks as though SJSU draws about 1,500 to 2,000 per regular season game. There were 650 attendees listed for the scrimmage against Puget Sound. Western Illinois averaged 1,425 last season, and drew 725 for the scrimmage against Blackburn.
The game that really impressed me was the Capital/Valparaiso game. Valpo is traditionally the strongest program in the Mid-Continent and a legendary NCAA cinderella, and yet Capital had an 11-point advantage on the big boys at one point and didn't relinquish the lead for good until there were less than four minutes left to play.
Denison is playing Akron on December 7 and Kenyon (KENYON!) is playing Wright State in January.
Greg - that was mostly rhetorical on my part, as I don't think that these exhibitions are 'big time' for the most part, nor recruiting carrots.
Last year I had Western Illinois 246th and San Jose State 274th in my D-1 power rankings.
Greg, Smed, you both misspeak--Greg you refer to the games as scrimmages.. those that I mentioned are exhibition games, not scrimmages... I know you know the differences.
Smed, I have only listed the games leading up to Nov 18th. The games prior to the 18th are exhibition games, but Count against the D3 team's 25 game limit - they do not count as a win or loss, nor do stats count. There are a large number of games vs D1 teams on and after Nov 18th that are regular season games and count in the won-loss record. It seems a bit strange, but that's the way it is... ie if IWU runs the table, they are undefeated.. the loss to Illinois does not count. Had that game been played after the 18th, it would have been a regular season game and been a loss for IWU.
Of course the difference between a scrimmage and the exhibition games is huge--scrimmages are informal, last as long as the coaches want them to, and rarely have a publicized score - there is no paid crowd, and it usually is unadvertised because the coaches treat it as an upgraded practice session. Totally different from the exhibition games, which are played under formal game conditions, with paid crowds. As someone else said, in some situations, D3 teams are taking the place of Athletes In Action or other similar AllStar teams.
How did I mis-speak? I was just listing some other games that I just found out about (I know there are more, but KENYON, fer cripes sake...). I know the difference between exhibitions and scrimmages and have posted that I think it's unfair that these count against a D-3 team's limit when it doesn't count against a D-1 team's limit .
Yep, you're right. Exhibitions. Sorry. NPU's first scrimmage is this afternoon, so I obviously have the concept of "scrimmage" on my brain today.
Scott, you should find an emoticon that indicates rhetorical speech, since (especially) the question about attendance looked pretty literal to me. Perhaps Question Guy ??? followed by Winking Guy ;) would suffice. :)
Ah, I thought my prior service and postings here would suffice...alas.. ::)
smedindy - no harm intended - I thought you were mentioning those games as add ons to my list thinking that my list was ALL d3 vs D1 activity for the season. As you DO understand, my list was only for the "exhibitions". If I think of it - my data base at home has all games during the regular season vs D1 teams - I'll print that out tonite.
The lengthy definition I went in to of regular season vs exhibition vs scrimmage was for the handful of people reading who may not have understood the difference.
:( UW Platteville loses to UW Milwaukee, 63-47, after a close first half
last night's exhibitions include:
Wright St 76 - Defiance 48
UW Green Bay 69 - UW Stout 56
Wartburg lost to Iowa last night, 75-48. No games tonite that I'm aware of, but several this weekend, including Hopkins vs Loyola Md, which could be close
Loyola Md beats Hopkins, 91-73
Four exhibitions last night vs d1 :'( :'( all crushers
A Greensboro USAC-South-D3 63 H High Point D1 95
T Concordia Dallas ASCW-South-D3 68 T UTSA D1 110
A Medgar Evers CUNY-Atl-D3 29 H Iona D1 99
A Piedmont GSAC-South-D3 83 H Troy D1 117
hopefan:
Shouldn't that be Concordia Austin v. UTSA? (While they do plan to move the campus, that won't happen for several years -- and not to Dallas. ;))
Thanks Warren - I don't know how Dallas snuck in there - I guess I would have caught it if I'd ever been to the Grand State of Texas - one I've never hit. Shoot, gotta correct all my schedules!!!!!!!
Not to worry, hopefan. Maybe some day you'll make it to my home state (I've not been back there myself since 2001).
BTW many of us native San Antonians consider that Dallas is actually located in south Oklahoma. :P
Kent St beats Muskingum 71- 52
D3 now 0-19 in exhibitions vs D1 - glad they don't count in our record.
I'll see Maryville (Mo) vs St Louis U tonite - SLU's all around quickness and superior size in the middle should add up to a lop sided score, but it will be a thrill for the Maryville kids to play at the Savis Center.
Results from last night vs D1 - I was at Maryville vs SLU game last night and will comment later in SLIAC-MW room
A Maryville Mo SLIAC-MW-D3 52 H St Louis D1 81
A UW Whitewater SLIAC-MW-D3 58 H Marquette D1 80
A Lawrence MWC-MW-D3 46 H Wisconsin D1 81
D3 now 0-22 vs D1 in exhibitions
Looks like UW-Whitewater gave D1 national power Marquette a good battle last night. According to Q's post in the WIAC room, the Warhawks were down by only eight with three and a half minutes left in the game before the big boys pulled away. UWW actually outrebounded Marquette, 35-33.
I had the chance to see UWW scrimmage North Park last week. The Warhawks are going to be tough again this season. Returning All-WIAC honoree Jeremy Manchester will be one of the best guards in the nation this year, and Tony Miggins is a wide-body with a sweet midrange turnaround. Mike Toellner gives them a very able big man as well.
I didn't realize that Whitewater had joined the SLIAC, hopefan. Looks like that woebegone conference might be in line for its first tourney victory! ;)
That is quite an expansion northward for the SLIAC, eh???? I'll have to have a consult with my proof reader. :-[
Additions and corrections are welcome.
Colby-Sawyer 92, UM-Machias (NAIA 2) 85
Colorado St.-Pueblo (D2) 94, Lewis and Clark 80
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 57, UW-River Falls 54
Eastern 101, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 62
Furman (D1) 100, Macalester 58
Guilford 95, Webber International (NAIA 2) 93
Heidelberg 110, Temple Baptist (NCCAA) 68
Juniata 83, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 31
UMass-Dartmouth 84, UM-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 58
McNeese St. (D1) 68, Mary Hardin-Baylor 63
Montclair St. 82, Newport News (USCAA) 52
North Texas (D1) 85, Hardin-Simmons 48
Northwestern St. (D1) 77, E. Texas Baptist 74
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 76, Washington U. 73
Tri-State 84, Purdue-North Central (NAIA 2) 76 (OT)
UT-Pan American (D1) 87, Sul Ross St. 72
Utica 81, St. Joseph's, VT (NAIA 2) 55
UW-Stevens Point 69, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 54
Here's a correction: it's "Rhodes Scholar." ;)
Finally decided that scholarships are inconsistent with D3 sports, Rhodes? :D
Looking forward to another season of your outstanding efforts, RS!
North Central 88, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 72
Additions from Friday
Chapman 101 West Coast Baptist USCAA 59
Christopher Newport 84 So Virginia USCAA 76 OT
Clarkson 81 Paul Smiths USCAA 51
Heidelberg 110 Temple Baptist USCAA 68
Mt St Mary 109 St Joseph's Brooklyn USCAA 106 OT
Olivet 89 Andrews USCAA 49
Mt Aloysius 101 Franciscan Other 89
Pitt Greensburg 81 Penn Tech Other 69
SUNYIT 98 Albany Pharmacy Other 48
Albion 77 UM-Dearborn NAIA-D2 88
Cal Lutheran 88 Cal State East Bay NAIA-D2 94
Central 82 Viterbo NAIA-D2 87
Centre 79 Asbury NAIA-D2 67
Endicott 72 Fisher NAIA-D2 59
La Verne 77 Menlo NAIA-D2 80
Manchester 69 Bethel Ind NAIA-D2 77
Occidental 77 Pacific Union NAIA-D2 44
Pacific 39 Southern Oregon NAIA-D2 63
Puget Sound 78 Evergreen NAIA-D2 68
Chowan 74 UNC-Pembroke NCAA-D2 61
Howard Payne 78 Texas A&M Commerce NCAA-D2 70
Norwich 57 St Edward's NCAA-D2 89
Texas Lutheran 57 Alabama Huntsville NCAA-D2 68
Louisiana 59 UL Monroe D1 92
Polytechnic 37 Army D1 76
Santa Cruz 41 St Mary's D1 93
Texas Tyler 73 Centenary-La D1 84
Briarcliffe (USCAA) 65, Misericordia 64
Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 68, Wartburg 63
Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 92, Caltech 41
Central Missouri St. (D2) 90, Monmouth 61
Eastern Mennonite 87, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 84
Eastern Washington (D1) 89, Pacific Lutheran 63
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 90, Guilford 72
George Fox 107, Northwest (NAIA 2) 91
Lyndon St. (NAIA 2) 83, Wentworth Tech 72
Northwestern, MN 72, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 69
Ohio Northern 85, Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA 2) 68
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 68, UW-Whitewater 51
Rockford 96, Bethel, IN (NAIA 2) 95 (OT)
Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 70, Olivet 66
Score to add from Nov. 19th:
FISK 92, Knoxville College (NAIA) 78
hopefan: Thanks for all the additions.
David: I think I'll leave it at Rhodes for now. It does save me some keystrokes.
Quote from: David Collinge on November 19, 2005, 12:07:09 PM
Here's a correction: it's "Rhodes Scholar." ;)
Finally decided that scholarships are inconsistent with D3 sports, Rhodes? :D
Looking forward to another season of your outstanding efforts, RS!
Actually, I assumed rhodes' own modesty prompted the name change. ;)
Thanks for the job that you do!
Rhodes, the Wisconsin-Whitewater/Robert Morris - Springfield result on Saturday was initially inverted on the Scoreboard page. UWW actually defeated RMCS, 68-51.
Additional scores from Nov. 19
Chapman 69, Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 41
Colorado St.-Pueblo (D2) 63, Willamette 56
Dakota St. (NAIA 2) 93, Presentation 69
Grace Bible (NCCAA) 85, Wisconsin Lutheran 81 (OT)
Hendrix 86, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 54
Humboldt St. (D2) 112, UC Santa Cruz 59
Linfield 66, Evergreen St. (NAIA 2) 62 (OT)
Mayville St. (NAIA 2) 79, Crown 55
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 74, Concordia-Moorhead 66
Penn St.-Berks 94, Newport News (USCAA) 80
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 77, UW-Platteville 71
Salve Regina 72, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 49
Taylor (NAIA 2) 71, Tri-State 57
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (D1) 116, Concordia-Austin 78
Valley City St. (NAIA 2) 80, Minnesota-Morris 74
Wilkes 95, Paul Smith's (USCAA) 39
Ralph: I'm not sure what role--if any--modesty played in the name change. ;)
Greg: Thanks for the correction.
Wilbur mentioned earlier that Fisk had beaten Knoxville... he has Knoxville as NAIA, but it is one of the schools that I list as "other" because I could not find them on any organization's list - I just double checked the NAIA site and they are not NAIA. Rhodes, do you have any idea if the belong to any organization???
Buffalo (D1) 96, Buffalo St. 61
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 84, Bethany Lutheran 58
Franklin Pierce (D2) 83, Baruch 57
Maine-Farmington 91, Lyndon St. (NAIA 2) 78
Whitman 70, Montana Tech (NAIA 1) 67
hopefan: The Knoxville College website provides no information on affiliation. In addition Knoxville is not listed on the NCAA, NAIA, NCCAA or USCAA websites. My copy of the 2003-2004 addition of the Blue Book of College Athletics does list them as having NAIA 2 affiliation for men's basketball, but that is probably a mistake (one of dozens to be found in that volume, I might add). As noted, the NAIA website does not list them as members and that's good enough for me.
additional games 11/19
Baruch 84 Green Mountain NCAA-D2 53
Chowan 75 Mt Olive NCAA-D2 105
Claremont Mudd 61 Menlo NAIA-D2 56
Eastern 108 Maryland Bible NCCAA-D2 79
Fontbonne 65 Moody Bible NCCAA-D2 61
Gallaudet 100 Franciscan Other 66
Heidelberg 109 Ohio State Marion Other 34
Keene St 103 Maine Machias NAIA-D2 68
MSOE 68 Hannibal LaGrange NAIA-D2 52
Mt St Vincent 108 Pratt Other 42
Concordia Austin 78 Texas A&M Corpus D1 116
Fitchburg St 75 Fisher NAIA-D2 66
John Jay 44 Wagner D1 86
Occidental 109 West Coast Baptist USCAA 36
Still looking for
Purchase vs St Joseph's Brooklyn USCAA
hopefan: Please confirm that Maryland Bible is a member of the NCCAA. Although they sure sound like they are (or should be), I don't see them listed on the NCCAA website.
Rhodes - looks like you are right - not on NCCAA site, and the Maryland Bible site has nothing.... I just assumed, given the name.... I guess it will be "other"
1 more on 11/20/05
Hamline 74 North Dakota St NCAA-D2 90
Still looking for Rust vs Tougaloo
I stand corrected about Knoxville College. I thought that they were NAIA members based on similar information that Rhodes received. They primarily play an NAIA dominated schedule.
Hopefan, a nit to pick. While I'm glad that you're helping Rhodes police the agate this year, could you list the winners on the left-hand side rather than the D3 affiliates? It'd make it easier to read the results. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
Yeah, hopefan, and while you're at it, why don't you put the D3 team in bold! We cannot have any slouchy message board postings!
Tell you what. We will give you a pay raise! ;D
(Wow, reality television has permeated the D3hoops.com message boards! :D)
For recognition from my 2 most admired Hall of Famers, I will attempt to fix things up!!!! ;)
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2005, 06:31:22 PM
For recognition from my 2 most admired Hall of Famers, I will attempt to fix things up!!!! ;)
:'(
And I guess us peons will be just happy with your scraps... ;D
Rust 83, at Tougaloo 68 NAIA-1
http://www.tougaloo.edu/content/Athletics/basketballschedM.htm
Quote from: David Collinge on November 21, 2005, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2005, 06:31:22 PM
For recognition from my 2 most admired Hall of Famers, I will attempt to fix things up!!!! ;)
:'(
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, DC. :D
Quote from: David Collinge on November 21, 2005, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2005, 06:31:22 PM
For recognition from my 2 most admired Hall of Famers, I will attempt to fix things up!!!! ;)
:'(
hopefan,
This is what we've come to - you try to be nice to A, and B complains that you omitted him! And you haven't even heard yet from sac, Q, or WT!
Oops, I bet I forgot someone and am now in as 'deep doo-doo' as you are! ;) ;D
[But don't offend David - he'll sue you! Unless, of course, he's too busy suing ME! :(]
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2005, 12:36:35 AM
[This is what we've come to - you try to be nice to A, and B complains that you omitted him! And you haven't even heard yet from sac, Q, or WT!
Oops, I bet I forgot someone and am now in as 'deep doo-doo' as you are! ;) ;D
You left out Coach C, as well as HOF Grand Panjandrum Pat Coleman. Expect to see the doo-doo truck pull into your driveway in the morning.
the missing score from 11/20:
Rust 83 Toogaloo NAIA-D1 68
missing score from 11/19:
St Joseph's Brooklyn USCAA 73 Purchase 66
I've retained the Car Talk lawyers, Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe, to look into this malfeasance. Subpoenas going out within the hour.
That is pretty good on the Rust-Tougaloo score, hopefan. I like your style, the use of the fonts, the attention to detail and the clarity of presentation.
What is more, the accuracy of the information is critical. Your post agrees with my Reply #100 from last night! ;)
You are a credit your family, your school and the collective wisdom of the family of D3hoops.com.
Keep up the good work! We look forward to your contributions this season! :D :D :D ;D 8) ;)
Cabrini 104, Newport News (USCAA) 85
Franklin 89, Webber (NAIA 2) 68
Hendrix 76, Central Baptist (NCCAA) 70
Indiana, PA (D2) 112, Thiel 61
Lincoln 87, Salem International (D2) 74
McNeese St. (D1) 98, Louisiana College 46
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 78, Cornell 61
Piedmont 110, Warren Wilson 67 (USCAA)
Tennessee St. (D1) 72, Fisk 63
Through the first weekend 11/20
D3 vs :
D1 0 - 13
D2 3 - 11
NAIA D1 2 - 2
NAIA D2 21 - 16
NCCAA 7 - 2
"Other" 8 - 0
USCAA 14 - 2
For the curious :
Wins vs D2 Were Chowan over UNC Pembroke, Howard Payne over Texas A&M Commerce, and Baruch over Green Mountain
Closest D1 loss was E Texas of the ASC losing by 3 to Northwest Louisiana
Hopefan -
Can you please enumerate the inexplicable losses to the USCAA and the NCCAA?
C
hopefan: Thanks for posting the totals. Two games, however, must be reclassified:
MSOE 68, Hannibal LaGrange (NAIA 1)
North Dakota St. (D1) 90, Hamline 74
rhodes thanks we make a good team hopefully my data can make your "job" easier. Continue to let me know any errors you spot.
Coach C those losses to NCCAA and USCAA were:
Wisconsin Lutheran losing to Grace Bible (NCCAA) 80-78;
Misericordia losing to Briarcliffe (USCAA) 65-64;
and SUNY Purchase losing to St Joseph's Brooklyn (USCAA) 73-66
I also had Bethany Lutheran listed as an NCCAA school, but now realize they are a part of the UMAC and are a D3 provisional, so I'll take that one off....they had beaten St Mary's Minn.
To add to games of the 21st :
Mississippi 91 Wesley NCCAA-D2 61
Rhodes 109 Messenger ACCA 22
Brooklyn 79 Pratt Other 43
Still missing : Dubuque vs Andrews
final score from 11/21
Dubuque 77 Andrews (USCAA) 49
hopefan:
One question: What is the ACCA (Messenger's affiliation)?
rhodes:
Not to usurp hopefan, but ... per a quick-and-dirty Google search, ACCA is the Association of Christian College Athletics.
See URL below:
http://accathletics.org
WT, thanks for the link!
wow! Those are small schools!
Kinda like "Division 3" of the NCCAA!
http://accathletics.org/Scores.asp
Please scroll to the bottom to see the list of member institutions.
Ralph,
I also noticed that the list of men's schools was, what, 8 times as bold as for the women's - oy vey!!
Hey, do they have rules at "Free Will Baptist College"? I mean, if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice, right?
/needs to stop listening to Rush records when posting...
Smedindy, As I understand the Free Will Baptist, they believe in re-baptism and/or believer's baptism, but are more Arminianism in theology than Calvinist.
Jacobus Arminius (1559-1609)
http://members.aol.com/twarren20/arminius.html
http://www.victorshepherd.on.ca/Other%20Writings/jacobus_arminius.htm
The most influential Arminianist on American Christianity is probably John Wesley.
Thanks, I guess...
(I was actually goin' for a funny there...with the Rush song "Freewill" and all...) ::)
Coe 70, Moody Bible (NCCAA) 59
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 83, Alma 73
Fairmont St. (D2) 98, Pitt-Greensburg 85
Ferris St. (D2) 78, Calvin 64
Illinois Wesleyan 87, Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 68
Maryville, MO 74, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 47
McKendree 108 (NAIA 1), Greenville 69
Mt. St. Joseph 83, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 69
Nebraska Wesleyan 64, Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 49
Saginaw Valley St. (D2) 68, Olivet 65
South Dakota (D2) 83, Simpson 69
WT: Thanks for the link.
I had no idea whales could affiliate with a religious denomination.
C
Additional scores from 11/22
Eckerd (D2) 74, Franklin 62
Hope 103, Andrews (USCAA) 46
Mansfield (D2) 85, Keystone 82
Northwest (NAIA 2) 99, Pacific Lutheran 89
UW-LaCrosse 73, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 63
The rest of the scores from 11/22
Lafayette (D1) 86 Alvernia 80
LSU Shreveport (NAIA-D1) 90 East Texas Baptist 87
Corban (NAIA-D2) 108 George Fox 100
Northeastern (D1) 105 Lasell 57
Middlebury 74 St Joseph's Vt (NAIA-D2) 57
Occidental 75 La Sierra (USCAA) 45
Pacific 78 Multnomah (NCCAA-D2) 52
UC San Diego (NCAA-D2) 54 Pomona Pitzer 47
Purchase 92 Pratt (Other) 60
So Vermont 91 Green Mountain (NCAA-D2) 53
NOTE : That's twice that NCAA D2 Green Mountain has been beaten badly by a 'middlin' D3 team - So Vermont and Baruch.
They could be the Cal Tech of D-2! Well, without the brains.
There are really very few games played each year between the top D3 teams and the top NAIA teams. Here is a complete list of the 2004-05 season games between teams in the final D3hoops.com poll and NAIA D1 and D2 tournament teams (I felt the D3hoops.com final poll reflected last year's "best D3 teams" better than the D3 tournament field)...
vs NAIA I
Brescia 66 (1st Rnd Loss) @Hanover (D3 #7) 64
vs NAIA II
Cornerstone (Elite Eight) 88 Calvin (D3 #2) 87 - neutral
Calvin (D3 #2) 88 @Trinity Christian (1st Rnd Loss) 59
Trinity-Tx (D3 #3) 88 Newman (Sweet 16) 77 - neutral
@Wittenberg (D3 #9) 77 Cedarville (Final 4) 68
@Wittenberg 54 (D3 #9) Taylor-IN (1st Rnd Loss) 47
And here are the 2005-06 games between teams in the D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 and the NAIA 1 and 2 preaseason Top 25 polls (including receiving votes)...
vs NAIA I
Already played...
Illinois Wesleyan (D3 #1) 87 Olivet Nazarene (NAIA RV) 68 - 11/22
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA #4) 77 @ Platteville (D3 #20) 71 - 11/19
Scheduled...
Hanover (D3 #9) vs Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA #4) - 11/26
Illinois Wesleyan (D3 #1) vs St. Xavier (NAIA #16) - 11/28
vs NAIA II
Calvin (D3 #24) vs Cornerstone (NAIA #8) - 11/25, neutral
Calvin (D3 #24) vs Trinity Christian (NAIA RV) - 11/30
Calvin (D3 #24) vs Aquinas (NAIA #17) - 12/6
Wittenberg (D3 #10) @ Cedarville (NAIA #5) - 12/6
Albion (D3 #8) @ Spring Arbor (NAIA RV) - 12/7
Green Mountain is becoming one of us!
Green Mountain (http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/association_news/ncaa_news_online/2005/09_26_05/association_wide/4220n11.html)
(Sorry about the length of that link. Offline, would someone show me very simply how to put that link into a more compact format? Thanks)
Guu-awwwwlley, it works! ;) Thanks David!
[I think this deserves an online response]
The format is this--using square brackets instead of parentheses:
(url=http://www.d3hoops.com)Click here for the front page(/url)
Here it is in action:
Click here for the front page (http://www.d3hoops.com)
Happy Thanksgiving, Ralph and all readers!
Last night's results :
Texas Arlington (D1) 84 Texas Dallas 74
Concordia Cal (NAIA-D1) 78 Carthage 75
Robert Morris Springfield (USCAA) 72 Fontbonne 66
Listen Mr. Ypsi -
I have tried to be patient with you over the yars, but you patent lack of respect for the coaching staff forces me to take drastic actions. You are now suspended for 4 games and we won't play you after that. Go find a friendly arbiter.
C
ps - Just kidding. I am certianly on the lower tier of HOF members. But you better mention PAt next time! He can get grumpy.
Results of Nov 25
Ohio Northern 82 Master's College NAIA-D1 69
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 72 Carthage 69 OT
Vanguard (NAIA-D1) 73 La Verne 53
Hope 67 Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 66
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 87 Calvin 79
Bethany Kan (NAIA-D2) 70 Wabash 63
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 100 Puget Sound 93
Willamette 66 Oregon Tech (NAIA-D2) 65
Cascade (NAIA-D2) 95 Linfield 89 OT
Christopher Newport 103 St Joseph Vt (NAIA-D2) 63
Warner So (NAIA-D2) 68 Averett 67
Fisk 108 Wesley Miss (NCCAA-D2) 86
Missing Husson Vs Notre Dame de Namur and
UW River Falls Concordia Irvine
Wow - some unexpected losses to NAIA-2s there. Not a good day.
C
Quote from: Coach C on November 26, 2005, 10:03:23 AM
Listen Mr. Ypsi -
I have tried to be patient with you over the yars, but you patent lack of respect for the coaching staff forces me to take drastic actions. You are now suspended for 4 games and we won't play you after that. Go find a friendly arbiter.
C
ps - Just kidding. I am certianly on the lower tier of HOF members. But you better mention PAt next time! He can get grumpy.
Coach,
My most abject apologies for leaving you off the list of HoFers - it shall not happen again! :-[ ;D
But I deliberately don't include Pat - he is on his own plane! You HoFers are merely exalted mortals - he is The Guru!
A plane? Pat got a plane?
I mean I knew things were improving financially, but I had no idea that he got a plane!!!!
And yeah - I am quite mortal. no doubt there.
C
From the 25th
Hope 67 Aquinas (NAIA D2) 66
From today
Aquinas (NAIA D2) 86 Calvin 71
Hope 79 Cornerstone (NAIA D2) 59
now fdf, I know you're feeling good, but i already posted scores of the 25th, including our beloved Hope's, on the previous page. Let's not rub it in our foe's faces too much!!!! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
With Hope going 2-0 and Calvin going 0-2, looks like the wrong MIAA team was ranked! ;D
cabs - I swear I read the games posted from the 25th twice and didn't see the Hope score - damn bifocals anyway >:(
Your assesment of the preseason rankings would be agreed upon by almost everyone in the MIAA chat room - there are two MIAA teams ranked that probably shouldn't be - and one that should be that isn't (yet ;D )
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 26, 2005, 10:44:48 PM
cabs - I swear I read the games posted from the 25th twice and didn't see the Hope score - damn bifocals anyway >:(
Your assesment of the preseason rankings would be agreed upon by almost everyone in the MIAA chat room - there are two MIAA teams ranked that probably shouldn't be - and one that should be that isn't (yet ;D )
Your objection about the games of the 25th should be to hopefan, not me! (But I agree about the bifocals!) ;)
Barring any changes due to games yet to be played, I'd say Hope is definitely IN, Calvin is definitely OUT - and I'm agnostic about any other MIAA teams!!
OK - now I not only miss the posting of the Hope game score from the 25th, I'm appologizing to the wrong poster.
hopefan - my appologies
Boy I hope my wife doesn't read this - she's been claiming I'm losing my mind :o
cabs - any chance you're making the trip to Holland this coming weekend for the MIAA/CCIW challenge?
I'd sure like to, but it looks like family obligations won't permit it.
Games of 11/26 :
Furman (D1) 91 Johns Hopkins 55
Northern Illinois (D1) 102 Aurora 61
Tennessee-Martin (D1) 94 Webster 72
Utah St (D1) 102 Lewis&Clark 65
Robert Morris Chi (NAIA-D1) 87 Hanover 79
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 86 Calvin 71
Hope 79 Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 59
Colorado College 85 Bethany Kan (NAIA-D2) 77
Southern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 68 Willamette 59
Whitman 98 Concordia Ore (NAIA-D2) 93
Corban (NAIA-D2) 100 Linfield 79
Mansfield (NCAA-D2) 90 Messiah 78
Millersville (NCAA-D2) 69 Chowan 65
Bridgewater 80 Lancaster Bible (NCCAA-D2) 60
Brooklyn 69 Briarcliffe (Other) 47
Christopher Newport 77 So Virginia (USCAA) 68
Puget Sound 106 Northwest Christian (USCAA) 77
It looks like there has been a bloodless coup in here...wherefore art thou, Rhodes? ???
only trying to help.... :)
Hopefan must have Rhodes trapped in a closet... :D
David & smedindy: I assure you there's been no foul play involved. :D
hopefan is doing a great job and I'm more than happy to let him do the bulk of the work. I can now get a little more sleep, post more in other rooms and read a bit more of the site.
hopefan: Keep up the good work.
P.S. Is Briarcliffe a member of the USCAA or a former member? I'm not sure what the dates in parentheses next to the school's name means.
Briarcliffe (http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/association_news/ncaa_news_online/2005/09_26_05/association_wide/4220n11.html) is trying to become one of us, too.
They are everywhere! :o
Briarcliffe was not on the list that I had printed last summer, but now appear on the site.... I'll move them from my "other" catagory to USCAA.
A few more from the weekend:
Robert Morris Chi (NAIA-D1) 91 Ohio Wesleyan 72
Lincoln 81 Cheyney (NCAA-D2) 72
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 75 UW River Falls 67
Concordia-Irvine (NAIA-D1) 78 UW River Falls 75
Records thru Sunday,missing 2 scores
D3 vs :
D1 0 - 23
NCAA D2 6 - 20
NAIA-D1 5 - 11
NAIA - D2 31 - 28
NCCAA 14 - 1
USCAA 23 - 3
Other 11-0
About what we expected.
D3 record against D1 is kind of like my karma record when I wade onto the OAC football board and dare to say anything about Mt. Union. Sigh....
Gee smed, I guess that means that the rest of D3 thinks you are +29! ;)
Here's that last score for 11/25:
Notre Dame de Namur (Division II provisional) 66 Husson 64
Thanks for the work you're doing on these scores, guys.
Thanks GMann for the score - I thought that was going to be a tough one to find, as neither school had been updating their sites and D3hoops didn't have it.
from late Sunday
Eastern Oregon NAIA-D2 97 Whitman 84
Missing Saturday Coe vs Mt Mercy
missing score from the 26th:
Coe 74 Mt Mercy NAIA-D2 57
Scores from Nov 28th:
Illinois Wesleyan 81 St Xavier (NAIA-D1) 61
Catawba (NCAA-D2) 76 Chowan 69
Adrian 93 Andrews (USCAA) 58
Missing Rutgers Camden vs Valley Forge Christian
Rutgers-Camden 112, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 86
Bethany WV 71 Wheeling Jesuit 70 (ncaa d2)
Colorado Christian (D2) 77, Colorado College 64
Greenville 105, Logan Chiropractic (other) 66
Huntingdon 82, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA) 79
Lake Erie 66, Edinboro (D2) 62
Lakeland 99, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA) 49
Lehigh (D1) 67, Eastern 49
Menlo (NAIA 2) 75, UC Santa Cruz 60
Millikin 101, Indiana-Northwest (NAIA 2) 57
North Park 76, Judson, IL (NAIA 2) 75
Northwestern, MN 78, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 75
Pacific 64, Cascade (NAIA 2) 61
Whitworth 85, Montana Tech (NAIA 1) 76
Look out for Logan Chiropractic; that's a school with one heck of an athletic tradition... they don't even acknowledge they have athletic teams anywhere on their website. However, the got this guy who went for 24 and 16 against Greenville??
Additional scores from 11/29
George Fox 78, Northwest Christian (USCAA) 63
Minnesota-Duluth (D2) 81, St. Scholastica 49
Pomona-Pitzer 90, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 66
Missing scores:
Berea @ Centre
Blackburn @ Lincoln Christian
Cardinal Stritch @ Milwaukee Engineering
Lancaster Bible @ Mount Aloysius
St. Louis Pharmacy @ Principia
I thought Chowan was exiled to D2 status??? What is their status anyway??
Blackburn 75 @ Lincoln Christian 43
St. Louis Pharmacy 83 @ Principia 55
I've been including Chowan because they appeared in this year's D3 "Manual" I note that they do play mostly D2 schools. Pat doesn't include them in the South region schools.....
from 11/29-
Grinnell 140
Mt Mercy 120
More from 11/29
Centre 69 Berea (NAIA-D2) 42
MIT 66 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 58
Ferrum 68 Davis & Elkins (NCAA-D2) 61
Mt Aloysius 108 Lancaster Bible (NCCAA-D2) 93
Whittier 88 La Sierra (USCAA) 49
Maine Maritime 91 Unity (USCAA) 51
Trevecca Nazarene (NAIA-D1) 86 Fisk 80
Madonna (NAIA-D2) 72 Olivet 67
Concordia Mi (NAIA--D2) 63 Bluffton 62
Northern Michigan (NCAA-D2) 104 Finlandia 62
Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 75 Marantha 68
Now missing only MSOE vs Cardinal Stritch
Dang, I can't believe Olivet got beat by a 40-something pop singer...
smedindy:
Yea a 40 year old pop singer that's a "virgin" lol ;D.
Btw If you're a Little Giant, then you must know my High School Track Coach Rob Johnson, who went to Wabash the year I graduated.
Coach Rob is a legend - a legend. He is truly amazing.
Augustana 69, St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 56
Averett 104, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 66
Bethany 93, Ohio-Eastern (other) 60
Calvin 75, Trinity Christian (NAIA 2)
Drake (D1) 102, Cornell 62
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 113, LaGrange 63
Hastings (NAIA 2) 78, Nebraska Wesleyan 59
Kutztown St. (D2) 97, Penn State-Berks 72
Marian (NAIA 2) 70, Concordia, IL 67
Winona St. (D2) 77, St. Mary's, MN 64
Rhodes:
Won't have a chance to go through things til later, but one score definitely missing is my locals' big win:
Maryville Mo 77 McKendree (NAIA-D2) 68
McKendree is NAIA D1 (ranked #14), not D2.
Here a couple I rounded up from yesterday. If I'm including schools you don't want (i.e. D3 provisionals), please forgive me.
I really appreciate the work you guys do on a here. It's a huge help to cleaning up our scoreboard.
November 30, 2005
La Verne 93 Life Pacific (NCCAA) 64
Southwest Minnesota State (Division II) 92 Presentation 69
Lyndon State (NAIA-2) 76 St. Joseph's (Maine) 71 OT
Rhodes - you listed Marian NAIA D2 vs Concordia, but i believe it was the Marian wisc D3, not the Marian Ind D2 ;)
Here are the rest of Nov 30 scores :
Cal Lutheran 73 La Sierra (USCAA) 58
Elmira 85 Houghton (NAIA-D2) 73
Fisk 90 Crichton (NAIA-D1) 85
Greensboro 111 Atlantic College (Other) 45
La Verne 93 Life Pacific (NCCAA) 64
Lyndon St (NAIA-D2) 76 St Joseph's Me 71 ot
Medgar Evers 82 Pratt (Other) 53
Still missing MSOE vs Cardinal Stritch Nov 29
Augie Dad thanks ...there are two Naia conferences down here, one D2, the other D1 --I get them mixed up at times.
from 11/29
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 71 MSOE 59
from 12/1
Redlands 154 Golden Baptist (USCAA) 107
SUNY Maritime 86 St Joseph's Brooklyn (USCAA) 63
Fisk 82 Oakwood (Other) 69
Moody (NCCAA-D2) 64 Marantha 62
Claremont Mudd 71 Southwestern Ari (NCCAA-D2) 43
Eastern 98 Lancaster Bible (NCCAA-D2) 77
PBU 89 Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 88 ot
Appalacian St (D1) 87 Methodist 69
St Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 75 Greenville 72
William Penn (NAIA-D2) 81 Fontbonne 65
Mansfield (NCAA-D2) 92 Ithaca 62
Quote from: hopefan on December 01, 2005, 10:31:17 PM
Rhodes - you listed Marian NAIA D2 vs Concordia, but i believe it was the Marian wisc D3, not the Marian Ind D2 ;)
Correct. It was Marian (WI), which will become a conference rival of Concordia (IL) next season when the LMC and the NIIC merge, that defeated the Cougars.
Quote from: augiedad on December 01, 2005, 08:14:49 PM
McKendree is NAIA D1 (ranked #14), not D2.
Don't take that ranking at face value. It was a preseason ranking dated October 26. McKendree has dropped to 4-7 with that loss to Maryville (MO), and they've also lost to other nondescript teams such as Park University (3-10). The first regular-season ranking for NAIA-1 comes out on Monday, and McKendree will be nowhere in sight when it's published.
The nice thing about the LMC-NIIC merger is that the net effect is we gain a Pool C bid over the 2004-05 numbers for Pool A's.
Games of Dec 2
Tristate 79 Marygrove (USCAA) 52
Skidmore 96 Paul Smith's (USCAA) 63
Kalamazoo 75 Davenport (NAIA-D2) 43
Redlands 149 Cal State East Bay (NAIA-D2) 119
Clarke 74 Mt Mercy (NAIA-D2) 65
Huntingdon 78 Atlanta Christian (NCCAA-D2) 65
Liberty (D1) 84 Lynchburg 50
Missing :
Marantha - Emmaus
Bates - Maine Fort Kent
Rust - Belhaven
Additional scores from 12/2
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 92, Finlandia 66
Colorado School of Mines (D2) 93, Bethany Lutheran 66
Defiance 84, Indiana-East (other) 66
Belhaven (NAIA-1) 85, Rust 80.
http://blazers.belhaven.edu/m_basketball/default.htm
From yesterday also
Marantha 68 Emmaus (NCCAA) 59
Bates did beat Maine - Ft. Kent because they won the title at the Husson toruney - or so says the Bates web site.
Scores from 12/3
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 64, Kalamazoo 59
Colorado School of Mines (D2) 87, Gwynedd-Mercy 64
High Point (D1) 103, Ferrum 61
Morningside (NAIA 2) 88, Nebraska Wesleyan 82 (OT)
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 75, Rockford 57
from 12/2
Bates 88 Maine Ft Kent (NAIA-D2) 43
From 12/3
Pomona Pitzer 57 Hope International (NAIA-D1) 49
Chapman 112 Cal State East Bay (NAIA-D2) 84
Defiance 81 Bethel Ind (NAIA-D2) 73
St Joseph's Me 77 Maine Machias (NAIA-D2) 64
Luther 79 Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 49
Johnson St 81 Green Mountain (NCAA-D2) 72
Alma 83 Lake Superior (NCAA-D2) 68
Thiel 88 Lancaster Bible (NCCAA-D2) 72
La Verne 102 La Sierra (USCAA) 83
Clark 84 Paul Smith's (USCAA) 70
West Virginia (D1) 83 W&J 33
IU-South Bend (NAIA-D1) 68 Anderson 45
Indiana Northwestern (NAIA-D2) 87 Principia 72
Iowa Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 84 Clarke 76
Incarnate Word (NCAA-D2) 75 Schreiner 60
Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 109 Marantha 71
Apprentice (USCAA) 64 Santa Cruz 55
Records thru Sunday, mossing :
12/4 Occidental vs Pacific Union
12/3 Occidental vs william Jessup
12/3 Maine Presque Isle Vs Maine Ft Kent
D3 Vs :
NCAA D1 0 - 29
NCAA D2 12 - 30
NAIA D1 10 - 14
NAIA D2 48 - 41
NCCAA 26 - 4
USCAA 36 - 5
Other 17 - 0
Hopefan - does that 0-29 against D-1 count exhibitions or just full-fledged contests.
Smedindy - that's full fledged count'em in the record games -all since Nov 19.
In exhibitions, i had them at 0 - 25, though I probably missed some games that didn't hit some of the earlier published schedules.
Scores from 12/5
Elon (D1) 87, Guilford 63
Fontbonne 89, Concordia-St. Louis (other) 69
Keuka 107, Albany Pharmacy (other) 62
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 96, MacMurray 81
VMI (D1) 97, Ferrum 74
Missing scores:
Whittier @ Biola (NAIA 1)
Polytechnic @ Pratt (other)
Rhodes et al.:
I wonder if games v. Concordia Seminary (St. Louis) count as regular-season games (or are they "exhibitions"?) since Concordia is not a four-year institution but rather a graduate school.
They seem to be counting it here. Hmmmm....
More scores:
12/5
Lewis & Clark 87 Cascade (NAIA-D2) 69
Whittier at Biola now reads 12/6 on Whittier's page
oldies that came through
12/3
Occidental 88 William Jessup (NAIA-D2) 73
Belhaven (NAIA-D1) 71 Millsaps 67
Maine Ft Kent (NAIA-D2) 71 Maine Presque Isle 49
12/4
Occidental 59 Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 58
WT: I really don't know the answer to your question. If I had to guess, I'd probably say it was an exhibition game. I think there are a couple of schools in the "other" category that are not 4-year colleges--e.g. Logan Chiropractic.
FCnews of SLIAC room fame is not sure, but seems to imply that the Fontbonne game with Concordia Seminary counts - he notes that the school does have undergrads (tho he doesn't say whether the team is populated with underlings or grad students), and that the game with Concordia next year IS listed as an exhibition as the SLIAC is growing by 2 more teams and there is limited room for non conference games.
Concordia Seminary has undergraduates? Hmmmm .... ???
Not to pick a nit, but a quick search of the Concordia Web-site shows only graduate degree programs, from M.Div to D.Min to MA to PhD. Also, they have a graduate deaconess program for women; the LCMS does not ordain the ladies.
hmmmm ... maybe my source (FCnews, are you out there?), isn't as good of a source as he claims to be.... I'll copy your remark in the SLIAC room.....
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 06, 2005, 01:36:58 PM
WT: I really don't know the answer to your question. If I had to guess, I'd probably say it was an exhibition game. I think there are a couple of schools in the "other" category that are not 4-year colleges--e.g. Logan Chiropractic.
Logan Chiropractic is a club team. They have seven guys in uniform, and one of them doubles as a player-coach.
The SLIAC has a tradition of really unorthodox scheduling. Slating games against such weird entities (in basketball teams, natch ;)) that're located around the Gateway City as Logan Chiropractic, Concordia Seminary, and St. Louis College of Pharmacy goes back for as long as the SLIAC has been a D3 league, and for all I know it goes back further than that. One of these days we're going to see a SLIAC program schedule a game against Ozzie Smith's School of Gymnastics, or the Anheuser-Busch College of Brewmastery. :D
For a league that sits pretty close to rock-bottom in terms of D3 conference power rankings, you'd think that the SLIAC's members would be trying to jettison those nutty contests in an effort to make themselves collectively better.
GS:
FWIW: Concordia Seminary players, grad students all [?], likely played collegiate ball at this or that four-year venue, a good many of them at one of the thousand or so Concordias in the LCMS university system. They could probably take down the Logan Spine Adjustors with little difficulty. :P
I'm not as sanguine as you are about Concordia Seminary's competence on the hardwood, Warren. Look at what happened when they faced Fontbonne. The Griffins entered the game 0-5 -- and an 0-5 SLIAC team is hardly at what I'd call the pinnacle of the college basketball world. And yet those lowly Griffins beat Concordia Seminary by twenty points. Not exactly a good advertisement for those particular Missouri Synod grad students, eh?
Perhaps all of the former stars of the various Concordias convert to the ELCA after their undergraduate days. :D
I agree Greg, regarding the SLIAC scheduling - just in the back of your mind, don't link Maryville in with that silliness - over the past few years, they have improved their schedule to one as solid as any midwest club could play - that is specificly why I have "adopted" them and see many of their games. Hopefully that solid schedule will play dividends and help them to a conference title as it did two years ago.
Incidently, FCnews defence of the practice of scheduling the St Louis this and thats of the world was simply "what difference does it make". I'm just not gonna fight over ther this year - it's hopeless, and too frustrating.
and before you look it up, solid Maryville scheduling means Hanover, Transy, McKendree, Manchester, DePauw (if they had beaten Manchester), Mo Baptist , My St Joes and D2 No Georgia in the Bahamas, and Wash u. SLIAC to be member Lincoln Christian was the only lightweight.
Don't worry, Hopefan. I'm well aware that Maryville (MO) is an exception among SLIAC teams when it comes to scheduling. And I'd certainly include Webster as an exception as well; the Gorloks play in that HCAC/SLIAC classic every season, plus they have a home-and-away contract with Wash U that's been going on for several years. Plus, on top of that, they make it a point to get in a game against a CCIW team or two every year. In fact, they've even played a D1 team (Tennessee-Martin) this season.
No SLIAC team can be faulted for playing Lincoln Christian. As you noted, LCC is on its way into the league, and each of the eight current members are playing the Preachers as part of a sort of "getting to know you" pre-membership tour of the league. Likewise, six of the eight SLIAC teams are facing future member Eureka this season as well.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2005, 04:32:34 AM
Perhaps all of the former stars of the various Concordias convert to the ELCA after their undergraduate days. :D
Well, it's either that ... or those seminarians who do play spend most of their time
at practice mentally running through Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin, and German
vocables and conjugations.
I am just wondering if the Logan Chiropratic team can get me an adjustment. My neck is killing me.
C
Scores from 12/6
Alma 103, Marygrove (USCAA) 79
Azusa Pacific (NAIA 1) 89, Occidental 71
Cal Lutheran 88, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 38
Calvin 69, Aquinas (NAIA 2) 52
Dordt (NAIA 2) 90, Martin Luther 48
Fontbonne 82, St. Louis Christian (NCCAA) 53
George Fox 87, Corban (NAIA 2) 82
LaGrange 95, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA) 76
Loras 81, Ashford (NAIA 2) 69
North Central 87, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 59
Shenandoah 102, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 87
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (D1) 86, Trinity, TX 62
Vorhees (NAIA 1) 67, Methodist 59
Wittenberg 65, Cedarville (NAIA 2) 59
Missing scores:
Emmaus Bible @ Dubuque
Principia @ Lincoln Christian
Dana @ Nebraska Wesleyan
some missing scores :
Polytechnic 72 Pratt (other) 48
Dubuque 90 Emmaus Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 72 Principia 67
Dana (NAIA-D2) 74 Nebraska Wesleyan 70
Hope 79 Trinity Christian NAIA-D2 60
Lyndon St (NAIA-D2) 77 Daniel Webster 53
Mass College 80 St Joes Vt (NAIA - D2) 62
Lamar (D1) 97 Louisiana 68
Biola (NAIA-D1) 81 Whittier 69
Akron (D-1) 123, Denison 52.
Ouch, babe.
Scores from 12/7
Albion 65, Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 64
Bethany Lutheran 82, Waldorf (NAIA 2) 78 (OT)
Indiana, PA (D2) 81, Juniata 79
Lewis and Clark 61, Evergreen (NAIA 2) 60
Mary Washington 93, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 46
Maryville, TN 84, King, TN (NAIA 2) 58
Susquehanna 76, Penn Tech (other) 71
Rhodes:
In basketball, Penn Tech (Williamsport PA) competes in the Penn State University Athletic Conference. In certain other sports, it has different conference affiliations.
For additional information, go to
http://www.pct.edu/athletics/conferences.htm
They don't seem to be a member of any national organization.
WT: Since Penn Tech doesn't have a national affiliation, they fall into the "other" category. A couple of years ago, they competed on the junior college level.
Rhodes:
I know. I was merely bringing a bit of coal to Newcastle ....
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 08, 2005, 11:55:34 AM
Rhodes:
I know. I was merely bringing a bit of coal to Newcastle ....
...and while the people who live in Newcastle don't need any more coal, we tourists who come to Newcastle come to see the coal, and we can't get enough of it! ;D
Quote from: David Collinge on December 08, 2005, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 08, 2005, 11:55:34 AM
Rhodes:
I know. I was merely bringing a bit of coal to Newcastle ....
...and while the people who live in Newcastle don't need any more coal, we tourists who come to Newcastle come to see the coal, and we can't get enough of it! ;D
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. The coal in Newcastle as endorsed by David Collinge.
Actually, people come to New Castle to see the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame, and the world's largest high school gym (over 9,000 capacity).
Oh, wrong New Castle... ;D
I come to Newcastle for the Brown Ale. Mmm. Tasty enough to make a Geordie out of me! ;D
Greg:
Newcastle Brown Ale is pure nectar.
After we spent a sabbatical year at the University of Durham, just south of Newcastle, our daughter at age four came home with a Geordie accent (e.g. "Mummie, where are me dullies? I cannut fine me dullies").
Scores from 12/8
DePauw 104, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 79
Elizabethtown 77, Millersville (D2) 60
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 55, Linfield 41
Ferrum 64, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 61
Grand View (NAIA 2) 77, Simpson 74
Marian 74, Northland Baptist (NCCAA) 48
Northwestern, MN 81, Crossroads (ACCA) 45
Redlands 130, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 93
Siena Heights (NAIA 2) 64, Adrian 61
Southern Polytechnic State (NAIA 1) 97, Piedmont 67
Thiel 107, Penn State-DuBois (other) 59
a couple more scores:
from 12/7
Maine Ft Kent (NAIA-D2) 81 Maine Presque Isle 57
Brockport St 95 Roberts Wesleyann (NAIA-D2) 82
Catawba (NCAA-D2) 84 Chowan 67
12/8
Geneva (NAIA-D2) 62 Grove City 59
Cascade (NAIA-D2) 55 Linfield 41
Still missing from 12/8
Sunyit vs Paul Smith's
Dallas vs Dallas Christian
scores
12/8
Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 75 U of Dallas 70
SUNYIT 84 Paul Smith's (USCAA) 66
12/9
Cabrini 119 Penn Tech (Other) 84
Taylor (NAIA-D2) 67 Greenville 47
Hope 83 Madonna (NAIA-D2) 76
Coe 80 Mt Mercy (NAIA-D2) 64
Concordia St Paul (NCAA-D2) 91 St John's 69
Northwest (NAIA-D2 79) Pac Lutheran 66
Wow! Dallas Christian defeated UDallas! Usually UDallas defeats DCC by double digits.
Ralph, when I saw that UD beat Caltech by only single digits, it gave them automatic admission to "bottom 10" candidacy, and showed they were at a level of the Dallas Christian's of the world. Incidently, when I was looking for that score I went to the Dallas Christian site - their athletic site was making a big deal of the signing of a GOOD local player - didn't mean anything to me, but may be interesting to you.
The names on the Dallas Christian College web site did not meanmuch to me, but then I am not too ardent of a follower of High School talent.
UDallas was in the ASC-East until 2001. They always guaranteed my seeing a McMurry game. I was disappointed when they went independent. UDallas has had an acceptable run in Pool B. I believe they have earned a Men's Pool B Hoops and Baseball bid since the move and a Women's Soccer bid. UDallas was not successful in starting a club football team in 2003, which may have set back their athletic program more than we know.
They do have a Phi Beta Kappa Chapter, which seems to be other criteria sought by the SCAC as it expands to 12 teams, (football being the other). ;)
Catholic played D1 Davidson tonight. Davidson was fresh off a nice win against Missouri and has a good RPI thanks to a tough schedule that included Duke.
The final was 80-56, Davidson. Catholic's 6'9 Shane Sowden led all scorers with 19. Overall, CUA played pretty good defense. Not a bad showing against a very good team. In their final exhibition tune-up last month, the Cardinals came very close to beating American on the road.
Scores from 12/10
Alma 67, Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 65
Arkansas Tech (D2) 85, University of the Ozarks 65
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 80, Greenville 71
Concordia-Portland (NAIA 2)104, Pacific Lutheran 67
Grinnell 137, Grand View (NAIA 2) 110
Northland Baptist (NCCAA) 90, Maranatha Baptist 77
Hood 68, Penn Tech (other) 66
Immaculata 62, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 55
Incarnate Word (D2) 70, Schreiner 53
Northwest Nazarene (NAIA 2) 91, Willamette 84
Piedmont 101, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA) 86
Redlands 125, Hope International (NAIA 1) 115 (OT)
Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 75, Nebraska Wesleyan 55
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 90, Whitman 78
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 70, Millikin 68
Rowan 93, Newport News (USCAA) 67
St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 95, Buena Vista 79
St. John's 72, St. Cloud State (D2) 67
Webster 87, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 59
more 12/10 scores to add to Rhodes Scholar - it was a busy day!!
Westmont (NAIA D1) 68 Cal Lutheran 51
Central 76 Wm Penn (NAIA-D2) 73
Dubuque 86 Mt Mercy (NAIA-D2) 85
Finlandia 80 Northland (NAIA-D2) 76 ot
SMU (D1) 85 Hardin Simmons 70
Hope 82 Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 75
So Oregon (NAIA-D2) 80 Linfield 59
Mt Aloysius 109 Valley Forge (NCCAA) 61
Mt St Mary 66 Briarcliffe (USCAA) 56
Plattsburgh 82 Green Mountain (NCAA-D2) 39
Simpson 74 Iowa Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 72
Marian Ind (NAIA-D2) 103 Tristate 62
Wartburg 95 Ashford (NAIA-D2) 54
Northland Baptist (NCCAA) 90 Marantha 77
missing Dec 10 scores
maine Maritime vs Fisher
Maine Presque Isle vs Unity
Pomona Pitzer vs La Sierra
Rust vs Toogaloo
Santa Cruz vs Life Pacific
Interesting game for Carnegie Mellon coming up on december 28th against D1 Princeton. Should be a great indication of how good this year's Tartan squat really is.
scores :
12/11
Moorhead St (NCAA-D2) 78 Concordia Moorhead 56
12/12
Fontbonne 78 Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 77
Christopher Newport 88 Maryland Bible (other) 57
Rowan 96 Lancaster Bible (NCCAA-D2) 42
Missing Marantha vs Viterbo
New Records D3 vs:
D1 0 - 36
NCAA D2 15 - 37
NAIA D1 13 - 20
NAIA D2 73 - 61
NCCAA 37 - 7
USCAA 45 - 7
Other 26 - 0
12/12 Missing Score
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 78 Maranatha Baptist 46
I'm not sure if you got these two or not...
12/10
Fisher (NAIA 2) 86 Maine Maritime 78 OT
12/11
Maine Maritime 73 Unity (USCAA) 23
Thanks Gordon - I just found those scores over lunch! They were among the missing.
Also
Santa Cruz 75 Life Pacific (USCAA) 65
Rust 93 Toogaloo (NAIA-D1) 67
Pomona Pitzer 57 LaSierra (USCAA) 45
Only missing Maine Presque Isle scores vs Fisher and Unity
Judging from Maine Maratime - Unity score, Unity must be having a down season
Wow. Kudos on finding the Rust/Toogaloo score.
Rust games involving Oakwood, Toogaloo, etc are not easily unearthed.
I think the Presque Isle scores must come in via dog sled, though.
That's usually the case, but the dogs all died in the last nor'easter - we may NEVER know their scores!
amusing story regarding Presque Isle - I emailed the AD asking for the weekend scores yesterday - no response; so today i emailed his Admin assistant - she responded immediately that she forwarded my request to..... the AD. Had to reply that I had already tried that direction with no result. Funny no result from her request either. I tried the coach late this afternoon.... no SID listed.
They have E-MAIL in Presque Isle??!
(Maybe there is your problem.) ;)
Hey, we'll take scores by semaphore, an Aldis Lamp, anything...
Score from 12/13
Widener 75, Wilmington, DE (D2) 62
They have email, but its all in french up there and they have to get everything translated, so it takes some time.
Merde!
Well, I don't know if my 5 emails did anything to help, but the Maine Presque Isle scores finally got posted on their site!!!
Maine Presque Isle 103 Unity (USCAA) 49
Fisher (NAIA D2) 80 Maine Presque Isle 65
See my further comments on the Survivor page.
Scores from 12/14
Averett 80, Newport News (USCAA) 60
Bethany, CA (NAIA 2) 76, UC Santa Cruz 70
Fisk 74, Wilberforce (NAIA 2) 54
MacMurray 96, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 67
Scores from 12/15
Cal Baptist (NAIA 1) 89, La Sierra 45
Davidson (D1) 112, St. Mary's, MD 59
Furman (D1) 99, Sewanee 69
Maryville, MO 86, Missouri Baptist (NAIA 1) 83 (OT)
Wiley (NAIA 1) 85, East Texas Baptist 71
Scores we missed
Briarcliffe (USCAA) 72 Centenary 66
Blackburn 67 Robert Morris Springfield (USCAA) 65
Mt Olive (NCAA-D2) 89 Chowan 62
12/16/05
UNC Greensboro (D1) 85 Greensboro 47
Portland St (D1) 85 Lewis&Clark 59
Southern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 56 Pacific 49
Va Wesleyan 98 Apprentice (USCAA) 51
Ferrum 63 Davis & Elkins (NCAA-D2) 56
Spring Hill (NAIA-D1) 80 Methodist 72
Do we have any outstanding scores that we need to put a search party on?
scores from 12/17 tough day for D3
Colgate (D1) 72 Hobart 47
Loyola Ill (D1) 87 Lake Forest 72
Army (D1) 53 SUNY Maritime 36
Whittier 75 La Sierra (USCAA) 54
Claremont Mudd 73 Westmont (NAIA-D1) 70
Mobile (NAIA-D1) 70 Methodist 55
Biola (NAIA-D1) 63 Pomona Pitzer 54
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 70 Augsburg 59
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 86 Linfield 72
Concordia Ore (NAIA-D2) 84 Pac Lutheran 75
UW Whitewater 98 Haskell (NAIA-D2) 49
UMSL (NCAA-D2) 89 Blackburn 70
Chadron St (NCAA-D2) 65 Colorado College 52
Cal St LA (NCAA-D2) 138 Redlands 107
Rhodes 87 Pratt (NCAA-D2) 56
Northern Michigan (NCAA-D2) 75 St Norbert 60
Smed : missing
Pacific vs NW cHristian
Chowan (still D3 I think) vs St Paul's
Records thru Saturday
D3 vs :
D1 0 - 43
D2 18 - 42
NAIA D1 15 - 24
NAIA D2 77 - 68
NCCAA 40 - 7
USCAA 52 - 8
Other 26 - 0
I myself wouldn't count Chowan if Pat isn't.
well, yeah, BUT - they (Chowan) are listed in this year's NCAA DIII Basketball manual - so I'm not sure why Pat choses not to recognize them - I also see LaSierra is not listed, but Pat recognizes them. I just don't know Pat's thoughts on it.... Pat.. you out there???? :)
LaSierra is in year #1 of the 4 year provisional status.
The Provisional Ladder currently has:
Year #4: Spelman GA (GSAC-Women)
Year #3: Finlandia MI(Indep), Mount Mary WI (Indep), UTexas-Tyler (ASC-East), Green Mountain VT (Indep).
Year #2: UMinn-Morris from D2 and Crown MN in the Upper Midwest AC; Mount Aloysius PA in the AMCC; Keystone PA and PSU-Berks in the NEAC; Tri-State IN in the MIAA; Maine-Presque Isle (Indep).
Year #1: Bethany Lutheran WI, Northwestern WI, Presentation SD in UMAC; Mitchell (Pequots, a tribe of Native Americans) CT (Indep), North Central MN (Indep), SUNY-Purchase (NEAC), LaSierra CA (Indep), Salem NC (Indep).
Slated to begin Provisional next year are:
Point Park PA, Seton Hill PA, UTexas-Permian Basin
In the Exploratory year in 2005-06:
Briarcliffe NY; UCincinatti Clermont; SUNY-Cobleskill; Doane, NE; Franciscan U, Steubenville OH; Geneva PA; Lancaster Bible College PA; Lincoln Christian MO (SLIAC-bound); Lyndon State College VT (which sets up the potential match up of Lyndon State vs Johnson State :D ); SUNY-Morrisville; PSU-Harrisburg; St Vincent PA; Spaulding KY; St Joseph's VT: St Joseph's NY.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2005, 09:14:14 PM
Lyndon State College VT (which sets up the potential match up of Lyndon State vs Johnson State :D )
So, is there a Baines State anywhere? ;) ;D
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2005, 08:44:11 PM
well, yeah, BUT - they (Chowan) are listed in this year's NCAA DIII Basketball manual - so I'm not sure why Pat choses not to recognize them - I also see LaSierra is not listed, but Pat recognizes them. I just don't know Pat's thoughts on it.... Pat.. you out there???? :)
Ralph covers why we list La Sierra. Not sure why the NCAA book doesn't. Perhaps La Sierra has delayed its entrance.
We do not recognize Chowan because they are offering basketball scholarships. Seems cut and dried to me. The NCAA doesn't classify them as D-II until closer to the end of their transitional period, but we won't consider them D-III if they give athletic scholarships.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 18, 2005, 09:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2005, 09:14:14 PM
Lyndon State College VT (which sets up the potential match up of Lyndon State vs Johnson State :D )
So, is there a Baines State anywhere? ;) ;D
I googled "baines.edu" and got nothing. :( ???
Chowan is not playing by the spirit or the bylawas of D3 qand should not be considered a member, even if the NCAA, in its incomprehensible logic allows them to compete at the D3 level. This from an organizaiton that suspends players at this level for accepting rides to the airport. Go figure.
C
If Chowan now offers scholarships, they surely are not allowed in d3 tourneys, are they? That would seem to be a MAJOR infraction, as in DEATH PENALTY in d1 sports!
Thuys, whatever they may be labeled, Pat is absolutely correct to omit them from d3.
Interesting listing from Ralph about the provisional schools - brings out some questions because I'm not familiar with the process.
is a year 4 provisional 4 years away from full status, meaning they just started, or have they been thru 4 years of provisional, and are therefore on the doorstep of full status?
What is an exploratory year? Are the schools exploring, or is the NCAA?
Why do some of the schools already have connections to D3 conferences, while some seem to have retained their NAIA or USCAA or NCCAA conference affiliations.
Several of the schools mentioned I think of as primarily 2 year schools - ie Cobleskill, Morrisville, Franciscan --would students in a 2 year program be eligible for their school's team? I'm surprised that those schools have enough 4 year programs to provide students for a team, tho I'm probably living in the past.
Ralph - thanks much for the education and listings...... tho I guess it brings another question as to why the NCAA manual lists some schools and not others - with the NCAA, who knows.
From 12/17
Pacific 64, Northwest Christian (USCAA) 61
hopefan: Great job! Only one correction--Pratt is not an NCAA member; they belong in the "other" category.
Year 4's on on the doorstep, yes.
Hopefan,
is a year 4 provisional 4 years away from full status, meaning they just started, or have they been thru 4 years of provisional, and are therefore on the doorstep of full status? Doorstep. (I understand that the GSAC-Women will move to full AQ status next year. Spelman will be the 8th team.)
What is an exploratory year? Are the schools exploring, or is the NCAA?--Both, as I understand it.
Why do some of the schools already have connections to D3 conferences, while some seem to have retained their NAIA or USCAA or NCCAA conference affiliations. I have put the current affiliations or their previous affiliation. Most recent is listed in these cases. UT-Tyler, Tri-State, Geneva, St Vincent, have been in discussions with existing conferences that are expanding. The "UMAC's", "NEAC's" and "AMCC's" have been in discussion with those schools in the conferences' formation.
Several of the schools mentioned I think of as primarily 2 year schools - ie Cobleskill, Morrisville, Franciscan --would students in a 2 year program be eligible for their school's team? I'm surprised that those schools have enough 4 year programs to provide students for a team, tho I'm probably living in the past. These are schools that are moving from 2-year to 4-year status.
Way to come through with the info Ralph. And I never noticed the Lyndon- Johnson thing, which is odd, having lived in Johnson, Vermont for several years. It is Vermont, I'm sure if we could get one of those retired hippies enough weed, he'd change the name of one of the other state schools to Baines, just for kicks... although hippies, I guess, wouldn't be real big fans of LBJ.
Scores from 12/19
Biola (NAIA 1) 80, Chapman 60
Birmingham Southern (D1) 86, Millsaps 58
Bucknell (D1) 76, Haverford 44
DeSales 76, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 56
Lycoming 69, Penn College (other) 43
North Georgia (D2) 103, Maryville, MO 93
Northwest Nazarene (D2) 96, Colorado College 57
Waynesburg 78, Penn State-New Kensington (other) 53
scores from Dec 18
Navy (D1) 106 Washington College 80
Master's (NAIA-D1) 77 Ripon 73
North Central 80 Mt Marty (NAIA-D2) 69
UW Oshkosh 76 Haskell (NAIA-D2) 55
Westfield St 99 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 85
So New Hampshire (NCAA-D2) 104 Rivier 58
Lemoyne (NCAA-D2) 94 Cazenovia 57
Add on Dec 19
Bluffton 72 Marygrove ( NAIA-D2) 68
Scores from 12/20
Lafayette (D1) 72, Dickinson 52
Loras 60, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 53
Rowan 96, Penn State-Abington (other) 69
Tri-State 79, Purdue North Central (NAIA 2) 74
University of the Sciences (D2) 80, Gwynedd-Mercy 64
UC-Riverside (D1) up five (70-65) on Puget Sound with 15:50 to play....game can be heard here if anyone is interested....
http://www.athletics.ucr.edu/administrative/webcasts.html
both teams in the penalty....Riverside has had two starters fouled out, three in total
UC-Riverside - 98
Puget Sound - 100
5:43 left.
"Crazy basketball game, I have never seen anything like this" quote from the radio guy. Funny.
Loggerville:
Pat Coleman and I are both listening and, I think it's safe to say, cheering for UPS.
Glad to have you aboard.
Final @ UC-Riverside
Puget Sound - 115
UC-Riversides (D-1) - 111
UPS was down 18 at one point in the first-half and faced a 13 def. at the break. Good solid win. Riverside beat Redlands (not saying much but their only other D3 game of the season) 162-123 in an exhib. in early Nov.
Loggers move to 7-1 to set up their 12/29 date with IUW...should be a good one. :)
Scores from 12/21
Bluffton 78, Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 66
Davidson (D1) 108, Clark 57
Malone (NAIA 2) 89, North Park 88
Menlo (NAIA 2) 63, Mt. St. Joseph 58
Scores from 12/22
Ashland (D2) 77, Hiram 57
Cleveland State (D1) 84, John Carroll 53
Long Island University (D1) 80, CCNY 39
Texas-Arlington (D1) 87, Texas-Tyler 72
Additional score from 12/22
Bluefield State (NAIA 2) 89, North Park 81
to date
D3 vs :
D1 1 - 54
D2 17 - 49
NAIA D1 15 - 26
NAIA D2 83 - 74
NCCAA 41 - 7
USCAA 56 - 8
Other 27 - 0
Lots of tourney games vs Non D3 this week!!
Carnegie plays Princeton tomorrow night at 7:30, live stats and audio are available at goprincetontigers.com. CMU is averaging 91.6 points per game while Princeton is averaging 43.7 ppg. It will fun to see who's style dictates the game.
If a win over a D-I is desired, teams should schedule Mississippi Valley State. They are terrible. I saw them play and get beat lasty week by NAIA Concordia (CA).
Concordia is a good NAIA - I program (10th last year in Massey for NAIA-I). MVSU is struggling, though, for sure. Wolfe and Massey have them well behind several other D-2, D-3 and NAIA programs and Pomeroy and Sagarin have them at about the 10th worst D-1 program going right now.
The worst two D-1 programs seem to be Savannah State or Morehead State. UConn just beat Morehead by 68 points.
I do think that Carnegie Mellon's win over Princeton says more about Princeton that about C-M.
If Princeton can't shoot - they're done.
They shot horrifically tonight - much like they did in the debacle against Monmouth. Yet, they beat Wyoming, who is a fairly OK team in a good conference.
Great win for C-M, though. This means that there may be a new Ivy champ besides Princeton and Penn.
Don't be so quick to say it says more about Princeton than Carnegie Mellon. I won't argue that Princeton sucks big time, but this CMU team was a game away from winning the UAA last year and is now 10-0 with a win in Rochester. Plus, this group of kids has always been able to hang with Division I schools to an extent. A few years ago they gave Robert Morris a run for their money up until the last five minutes, and last year they lead nationally-ranked Pitt at halftime. They're a very good team right now.
Not saying they're not a good team, but my point was that it definitely revealed that the Monmouth game was not a fluke - and Princeton will struggle big time this year if they don't shoot well. In the past, Princeton was able to execute its offense and overcome bad shooting from the outside no matter what the other team was trying to do. This time, against teams that like to push the tempo, they need to be able to shoot otherwise they're going to struggle.
That's why it says more about Princeton that C-M.
Scores from 12/27
Biola (NAIA 1) 101, Elmira 56
Clarke 92, Purdue-North Central (NAIA 2) 55
Hawaii Pacific (D2) 79, St. John's 62
Ottawa, KS (NAIA 2) 70, Marywood 54
Scores from 12/28
Albion 79, Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 65
Biola (NAIA 1) 90, Linfield 52
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46
Chaminade (D2) 95, St. John's 70
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 86, McDaniel 56
John Carroll 97, Goshen (NAIA 2) 89
Westminster, PA 94, Ottawa, KS (NAIA 2) 89
Robert Morris (PA) blasted Medaille 109-36. This is one of those inane D-1 vs. D-3 matchups. You're coming off a winless season and you schedule a D-1 team? Hmmmm... :-\
Quote from: smedindy on December 30, 2005, 07:52:45 AM
Robert Morris (PA) blasted Medaille 109-36. This is one of those inane D-1 vs. D-3 matchups. You're coming off a winless season and you schedule a D-1 team? Hmmmm... :-\
smed:
"Inane" or
insane? ;)
I attended the CMU Princeton game and found it to be the tale of two teams. Princeton has a great deal of turmoil internally and lack of depth on the team and CMU out coached Princeton for the win. The Tartans did not bring their "A" game, yet despite the turnovers they withstood the pressure from the Tigers to win.
Over the last 3 years the Tartans have taken the challenge to improve over the previous year. Even with key seniors graduating the program has relied on its fundamental style of pressure defense and aggressive offense to show up competitvely. Last year they fell one game short of their objective to play in the NCAA. They are on a mission again this year.
Scores from 12/29
Bluffton 106, Illinois-East (other) 79
Cal St.-Monterey Bay (D2) 90, Fontbonne 53
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 92, UW-Superior 55
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 68, Oglethorpe 61
Grace (NAIA 2) 88, Buena Vista 65
Hanover 70, Berea (NAIA 2) 63
La Verne 102, Notre Dame de Namur (D2) 96 (OT)
Lakeland 75, Goshen (NAIA 2) 67
Lewis and Clark 82, Simon Fraser (other) 79
Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 71, Olivet 63
Minot State (NAIA 2) 92, Presentation 75
Navy (D1) 86, Susquehanna 54
Northern Arizona (D1) 96, Pacific Lutheran 59
Ohio Dominican (NAIA 2) 95, Guilford 78
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 99, Clarke 71
St. Thomas 83, Culver-Stockton (NAIA 2) 69
The Master's (NAIA 1) 90, Willamette 86 (OT)
Tiffin (NAIA 2) 74, Millikin 72
University of the Sciences (D2) 85, Chestnut Hill 67
Vanguard (NAIA 1) 82, Beloit 68
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 80, Macalester 66
I'm not positive of their affiliation (I think it's NAIA II) but UWSP lost to Mid-American Nazerean yesterday.
Scores from 12/30
Babson 78, Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 75
Bluffton 63, Tiffin (NAIA 2) 55
Buena Vista 86, Purdue North Central (NAIA 2) 68
Central 77, Waldorf (NAIA 2) 65
Chaminade (D2) 80, Chapman 62
Claremont-Mudd Scripps 74, Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 72 (OT)
DeSales 85, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 64
Emory and Henry 128, Berea (NAIA 2) 114
Henderson State (D2) 90, McMurry 73
Illinois Wesleyan 76, Westmont (NAIA 1) 60
Lawrence 64, Vangaurd (NAIA 1) 59
LeMoyne (D2) 72, Baruch 65
Loras 75, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 74
Menlo (NAIA 2) 57, Pacific 42
MidAmerica Nazarene (NAIA 2) 77, UW-Stevens Point 64
Millikin 74, Indiana-East (other) 58
North Central 107, Judson, IL (NAIA 2) 46
Ohio Dominican (NAIA 2) 51, Greensboro 48
Ramapo 74, Biola (NAIA 1) 70 (OT)
Regis, CO (D2) 64, Calvin 57
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 62, Concordia, IL 50
Sam Houston State (D1) 83, LeTourneau 37
Simpson 89, Culver-Stockton (NAIA 2) 60
Texas State (D1) 84, Texas-Tyler 71
Valley City State (NAIA 2) 82, Presentation 45
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 31, 2005, 04:14:33 PM
I'm not positive of their affiliation (I think it's NAIA II) but UWSP lost to Mid-American Nazerean yesterday.
PointSpecial: I just posted scores from 12/30. You're right--MidAmerica Nazarene is NAIA 2.
But they also stink, so I'm not sure what that means for the Point.
Score from 12/30
Calvin 85, Colorado Christian (D2) 75
Scores from 1/2
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 72, Wesley 52
Minnesota-Morris 60, Valley City State (NAIA 2) 58
UW-Stevens Point 73, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 52
Scores from 1/3
BYU-Hawaii (D2) 67, Chapman 61
Dakota State (NAIA 2) 79, Presentation 65
Flagler (NAIA 2) 79, Gallaudet 76
UMass-Boston 80, Georgia Southwestern State (NAIA 1) 77
Shepherd (D2) 78, Penn State-Berks 66
Trinity Christian (NCCAA) 79, La Verne 72
William Jewell (NAIA 2) 83, Wesley 57
Scores from 1/4
Doane (NAIA 2) 64, Nebraska Wesleyan 51
Lehigh (D1) 80, Muhlenberg 70
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 67, Gallaudet 60
Shenandoah 84, Davis and Elkins (D2) 71
Wow, Muhlenberg got within ten of Lehigh? I'm sure that after this year, nobody in D1 will be scheduling any of us anymore...sad.
Scores from 12/5
Dickinson 88, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 61
FDU-Florham 80, Briarcliff (USCAA) 59
Greenville 84, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 68
Whittier 95, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 53
Can we get an update on the d3 record vs other divisions?
hoopsfan I'll will have time to update records tonite or tomorrow morn
Through Jan 5 games
D3 versus :
D1 2 - 60
D2 19 - 58
NAIA D1 21 - 30
NAIA D2 105 - 94
NCCAA 44 - 7
USCAA 60 - 8
Other 30 - 0 Almost lost our perfect record the other night when
Lewis & Clark beat Simon Fraser (Canada) by 3
By my arithmetic, we are now 281-257. We may be 'bottom-of-the-barrel' to the NCAA, but we are 'above-average' among all bball teams!
And I would bet that our graduation rates are above those 'above' us AND those 'below' us!
d3 - where it's at! ;D
Scores from 12/6
Cornell, NY (D1) 78, Keuka 52
Newport News (USCAA) 64, Misericordia 62
Palm Beach Atlantic (D2) 85, Lesley 79
Simon Fraser participates in the NAIA, but it is not listed as participating in the NAIA-1 or NAIA-2 for the bsaketball championships. You have correctly listed them as other (Canadian Interuniversity Sport). :)
http://naia.collegesports.com/member-services/about/members.htm
http://cis.infinityprosports.com/2004/index.php?page=standings&season_id=2005&sport_name=mbasketball
Scores from 1/7
Columbia (D1) 82, CCNY 42
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 99, Elms 95 (OT)
Ferrum 82, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 62
Gallaudet 78, Maryland Bible (NCCAA) 50
Lakeland 86, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 56
Northwestern, IA (NAIA 2) 99, Nebraska Wesleyan 88
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 75, Edgewood 72
Salisbury 81, Newport News (USCAA) 71
Waynesburg 91, Penn State-Fayette (other) 83
Wisconsin Lutheran 74, Indiana-South Bend (NAIA 1) 67
IWU beat Puget Sound which beat DI UC-Riverside which last night beat Pacific (Stockton, CA) which made it to the second round of the DI NCAA tourney last year (and 9-5 so far this year). Hmmm. Just having some fun. :D
I saw the CCNY @ Columbia game yesterday. City played the Lions tough for most of the first half. Columbia led by only three, 22-19, with seven minutes left in the opening half. Then it became real ugly. Columbia went on a 39-2 run, holding the Beavers to a grand total of two points over the next 16 minutes.
The two teams were comparable in terms of athleticism, but Columbia had a huge size advantage (two to five inches at each position) and were much more physical than CCNY. Plus, Columbia's players were more skilled and far sounder on fundamentals.
cawcdad, Ive got one for you:
CMU beat Princeton, who beat Wyoming, who beat Charlotte, who beat Dayton, who beat Cincinnati, who beat LSU, who beat West Virginia, who made it to the D1 Elite 8 last year!
The Ivy League is an unusual circumstance. There are a select demographic group of national athletes with at least mid-level D1 talent and 1500+ SAT scores who want the prestige and cachet of playing Ivy League basketball.
They could ride the bench at State U, but instead find a cohort of similar players who have chosen to attend an Ivy League school more to their goals and interests.
I would say that same for the UAA, the NESCAC and a few other regional premier D3 schools.
This is not to belittle this group of athletes, but rather to understand the demographic base from which they come. :)
I like that one hugenerd. I enjoy playing the game, but really all these connections do though is create discussion and prove that on any given day . . .
I figured I'd repost this here.
Bad comedy is a like a virus. A virus that must be wiped out with the Biola vaccine.
FAVORITE RANDOM OPPONENTS ON D3 SCHEDULES
1 - Logan Chiropractic: Reigning champs until someone schedules Panhandle State.
2 - Life Pacific: Sounds like a Fox show. "This week on Life Pacific, after the O.C..."
3 - East-West: That about covers it. :)
4 - Valley City State: I humbly submit that they should be the Hill Villages of Valley City State.
5 - Anything with "Pharmacy" in it: Go Fightin' 'Phetamines!
6 - Dordt: Just fun to say. Go ahead and say it out loud. A guaranteed smile. "Dordt." :)
7 - Davis & Elkins: I think they opened for Emerson, Lake and Palmer in 1976
8 - Toogaloo: Back end of the dreaded Philander Smith-Toogaloo road trip
9 - The Master's: A tradition unlike any other. Viva former Laker Mike Penberthy!
10 - Colorado School of Mines: I couldn't skip them. After all, a mine is a terrible thing to waste (ducking tomato).
gordonmann,
I just want to see more Chiropractic vs. Pharmacy match-ups! Talk about a grudge match! ;) ;D
Can you find the Doane's Pills at Albany Pharmacy?
I just wish that Christian Bible College, in Rocky Mount NC,
http://www.christianbiblecollege.org/
had a basketball team, so they could play Baptist Bible College.
Ralph,
You couldn't be satisfied with Catholic vs. Methodist? ;D
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 11:46:10 PM
Can you find the Doane's Pills at Albany Pharmacy?
No, but I'm sure that you could find them in the NAIA's Great Plains Athletic Conference, also the home of D3's equivalent of the abandoned prairie outpost to which Kevin Costner was sent in
Dances With Wolves, Nebraska Wesleyan.
Doane (which is actually called the Tigers, not the Pills) is one of two Nebraska schools that should really consider changing their nicknames. The other is Creighton, which should jettison the nickname Bluejays and start calling its teams the Barrels.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 09, 2006, 12:00:04 AM
Ralph,
You couldn't be satisfied with Catholic vs. Methodist? ;D
However, D3 Methodist might play D2 Presbyterian in some sports! :D :)
Give me Luther vs. Martin Luther any day of the week! :D
Score from 1/8
UW-Oshkosh 69, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 58
Scores from 1/9
Indiana-Purdue Fort Wayne (D1) 75, Tri-State 61
Judson, IL (NAIA 2) 96, Principia 65
Mount Saint Joseph 106, Cincinnati Christian (NCCAA) 69
Wright State (D1) 88, Kenyon 47
Scores from 1/10
Hendrix 75, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 61
Martin Luther 86, North Central, MN (NCCAA) 46
Nebraska Wesleyan 59, Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 56
Walla Walla (NCCAA) 95, Whitman 85
Scores from 1/11
Colorado-Colorado Springs (D2) 74, Colorado College 60
Lincoln 126, Newport News (USCAA) 89
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 87, Eureka 72
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 87, Keuka 83
SUNY-Farmingdale 91, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 59
Records through 1/11/06 D3 vs :
D1 2 - 64
NCAA-D2 20 - 63
NAIA-D1 22 - 30
NAIA-D2 111 - 99
NCCAA 47 - 8
USCAA 65 - 15
Other 32 - 0
Scores from 1/12
Emory and Henry 126, King, TN (NAIA 2) 97
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 70, Green Mountain 62
Score from 1/13
Rochester 86, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 61
Scores from 1/14
Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 66, Nebraska Wesleyan 64
George Fox 88, Walla Walla (NCCAA) 67
Huntingdon 70, Carver Bible (NCCAA) 55
Michigan Tech (D2) 73, Finlandia 62
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 91, Brockport State 85
Scores from 1/16
Michigan Tech (D2) 75, UW-Superior 46
North Central 85, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 71
Piedmont 93, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 77
Westminster, MO 63, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 54
Scores from 1/17
Alfred 93, Penn State-Dubois (other) 62
Minnesota-Morris 103, North Central, MN (NCCAA) 78
Presentation 75, Trinity Bible (NCCAA) 47
Scores from 1/18
Eastern Mennonite 86, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 74
Nebraska Wesleyan 66, Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 60 (OT)
Scores from 1/19
Hood 80, Maryland Bible (other) 60
Lakeland 85, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 71
University of Dallas 75, Dallas Christian (NCCAA) 67
Wisconsin Lutheran 78, Northland Baptist (NCCAA) 64
Score from 1/20
Baptist Bible 116, Maryland Bible (other) 60
Scores from 1/21
Dordt (NAIA 2) 59, Nebraska Wesleyan 45
Northland Baptist (NCCAA) 67, Finlandia 64
Score from 1/23
Lake Superior State (D2) 85, Finlandia 71
10/23 or 1/23????
Quote from: smedindy on January 24, 2006, 10:05:17 AM
10/23 or 1/23????
It's a good thing this edit feature doesn't lock you out after 15 minutes.
Score from 1/24
Hastings (NAIA 2) 70, Nebraska Wesleyan 53
Score from 1/27
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 80, Concordia, IL 73
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 28, 2006, 10:17:11 AM
Score from 1/27
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 80, Concordia, IL 73
Aw, crap. I had Concordia in that one. >:(
Dave, who did you have in the 2nd game of that doubleheader.... maybe you got your money back...
Quote from: hopefan on January 28, 2006, 08:46:09 PM
Dave, who did you have in the 2nd game of that doubleheader.... maybe you got your money back...
Concordia NE vs Concordia WI
or
Concordia-Selma vs Concordia-Austin
I see CURF is back to their usual contribution - making bad teams look good!
CUAA (that's Concordia University-Ann Arbor, the official name of Concrdia (MI)), is actually 11-11 on this year after the win, but last year's 10-19 record was their best in many years (I could not find past records on their website). But I am almost certain that both the men's and women's teams pretty regularly had 1 or 2 win seasons. They have been SO bad for SO long that the Ann Arbor News no longer covers them except in the agate print! (The 'story' on the CUAA-CURF game covered less than one column inch!)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 28, 2006, 09:16:36 PM
I see CURF is back to their usual contribution - making bad teams look good!
CUAA (that's Concordia University-Ann Arbor, the official name of Concrdia (MI)), is actually 11-11 on this year after the win, but last year's 10-19 record was their best in many years (I could not find past records on their website). But I am almost certain that both the men's and women's teams pretty regularly had 1 or 2 win seasons. They have been SO bad for SO long that the Ann Arbor News no longer covers them except in the agate print! (The 'story' on the CUAA-CURF game covered less than one column inch!)
Chuck, the Michigander version of Concordia World beat Albion back in November, so I doubt that CUAA is the toxic waste spill that they may have been in the past.
Greg,
I missed that one (maybe the AA News didn't cover it!) - apparently they ARE on the upswing. In the recent past, they have been pathetic.
But things DO go in cycles (except maybe the SLIAC ;)) - afterall, in (what to me, at least) is the recent past, NPU was great! (Sorry, couldn't resist!) NPU WILL have their day again - no guarantee of a whole string of national titles, but....
Scores from 1/28
Huntingdon 73, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 68
Mt. Marty (NAIA 2) 71, Nebraska Wesleyan 63
Score from 1/29
St. Joseph's, ME 72, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 56
Scores from 1/30
Crown 81, North Central, MN (NCCAA) 61
Gallaudet 81, Christendom (USCAA) 56
Maryville, TN 79, Carson Newman (D2) 74
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 81, Clarke 55
North Georgia (D2) 122, Piedmont 99
Principia 72, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 67
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 83, Martin Luther 77
Scores from 1/31
Judson, IL (NAIA 2) 106, Aurora 101
Pacific 71, Northwest Christian (USCAA) 65
Score from 2/1
Doane (NAIA 2) 80, Nebraska Wesleyan 78 (OT)
Scores from 2/2
Hood 89, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 60
Philadelphia Biblical 86, Washington Bible (NCCAA) 42
Piedmont 104, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA) 61
Rhodes, one more. I do not find them listed as NCAA, NAIA, NCCAA or USCAA.
Knoxville (other/non-aligned) 88, Fisk 82.
The Knoxville College web site is closed.
www.knoxvillecollege.edu
Massey has Knoxville College as NAIA - 2. Wolfe has them as an 'independent', like East-West or Union of Nebraska.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 01, 2006, 09:31:24 AM
Scores from 1/31
Judson, IL (NAIA 2) 106, Aurora 101
Pacific 71, Northwest Christian (USCAA) 65
One more...
Chapman 70 UC San Diego (D2) 64 (OT)
Scores from 2/3
Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 93, Nebraska Wesleyan 79
Chapman 84, LIFE Pacific (NCCAA) 73
Northern Colorado (D1) 80, Colorado College 35
Scores from 2/4
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 73, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
UC Santa Cruz 88, Golden State Baptist (USCAA) 54
Ralph: Thanks for the additional scores.
Ralph & smedindy: I couldn't find Knoxville listed on the NAIA site. It's probably best to classify them as "other."
Score from 1/26
La Sierra 75, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 66
Records through 2/6
D3 vs.
D1...2-65
D2...22-67
NAIA 1...22-30
NAIA 2...117-112
NCCAA...61-9
USCAA...71-15
Other...35-1
Scores from 2/6
Johnson and Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 64, Colorado College 58
New Jersey City 66, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 52
Principia 65, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 62
Rowan 85, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 65
Break up Principia!
Quote from: smedindy on February 07, 2006, 09:48:20 AM
Break up Principia!
Yeah, they are winning way too many games.
Scores from 2/7
Chapman 80, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 35
Dominican, CA (NAIA 2) 69, UC Santa Cruz 53
Huntingdon 69, Wesley, MS (NCCAA) 49
Scores from 2/8
Longwood (D1) 87, Shenandoah 68
Martin Methodist (NAIA 1) 83, Fisk 68
Scores from 2/9
Geneva (NAIA 2) 107, Westminster, PA 102
Hood 114, Patrick Henry (other) 34
Oh, just the typical 80 point beatdown. ;)
Looks like they gave him death this time.
It's appropriate the death came by "hood" because didn't they hang Patrick Henry? He was spared the firing squad if I remember correctly.
And this is what death looks like:
http://www.hood.edu/campus/athletics/index.cfm?pid=BB/_BB_020906-patrickhenry.htm
Patrick Henry's only played 8 games? Wow.
And one player, with the almost impossible line:
12 minutes
0 stats.
Quote from: smedindy on February 10, 2006, 02:28:36 PM
And one player, with the almost impossible line:
12 minutes
0 stats.
You're waching too many decent basketball games if you think its so hard.
If Patrick Henry were to book a game against Liberty College, the next time around they might choose death instead.
Isn't there a mortuary college somewhere called Death U? Maybe a Death Valley College or something like that?
We could invite them to a tournament at Patrick Henry just for kicks. We could get ESPN to at least mention it, I think.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 10, 2006, 04:19:43 PM
Isn't there a mortuary college somewhere called Death U? Maybe a Death Valley College or something like that?
We could invite them to a tournament at Patrick Henry just for kicks. We could get ESPN to at least mention it, I think.
Yeah!! Patrick Henry, Liberty, and Death U. And for the fourth team, we'll bring in ESPNU. Oh, wait, that's not a university...
Quote from: David Collinge on February 10, 2006, 12:23:54 PM
Looks like they gave him death this time.
That's worth a plus-1!
From the Scoreboard last night,
Lyndon State 89, Johnson State 70
Lyndon State (NAIA-2) is exploratory for 2005-06.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 10, 2006, 12:56:28 PMIt's appropriate the death came by "hood" because didn't they hang Patrick Henry? He was spared the firing squad if I remember correctly.
You're probably thinking of Nathan Hale, who did indeed end his days at the business end of a British hemp necktie after being captured as a spy. Patrick Henry died in his bed on his Virginia plantation in 1799 at the ripe old age of 63, probably from a heart attack after being beaten by Scottie Too Hottie in Jim Loesel's ODAC pick'em pool.
QuoteYou're waching too many decent basketball games if you think its so hard.
Actually - you really have to be a statue to not even get a turnover or a foul in 12 minutes, much less a rebound or shot attempt or assist.
Scores from 2/10
Baptist Bible 68, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 51
Philadelphia Biblical 76, Davis College (NCCAA) 47
Score from 2/11
Dana (NAIA 2) 93, Nebraska Wesleyan 83
Score from 2/9
Word of Life Bible (other) 98, Green Mountain 74
Scores from 2/11
Finlandia 101, Grace Bible (NCCAA) 88
Vermont Technical College (USCAA) 84, Green Mountain 62
Scores from 2/13
Greensboro 82, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 66
Pitt-Johnstown (D2) 109, Mount Aloysius 78
Rhema Bible (USCAA) 71, LeTourneau 68
Score from 2/14
Central 83, Faith Baptist (NCCAA) 67
Score from 2/15
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 60, Rose-Hulman 56
Maryville (TN) 65 Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA II) 61
Scores from 2/16
Baptist Bible 77, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 55
Colorado College 58, Johnson & Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 55
Philadelphia Biblical 85, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 70
Scores from 2/18
Huntingdon 67, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 56
Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 68, Nebraska Wesleyan 47
SUNY-Old Westbury 76, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 54
people should really be talking about villa Julie getting a Pool B Bid...they're 17-7, 12-4 in conference and 4 of those losses have come with their point guard (chris warren) injured. They won the pride of Maryland Tournanment, which should almost be an automatic bid in itself and they had catholic beat until the end. If they win their conference tournament, I dont think there should be any discussion whatsoever, they should defiintely get in, but I think if they make it to the championship game, they should get in too..they've had a great season and should be rewarded for doing so
That's as maybe, but the NCAA criterion with their emphasis on regional rankings and QoWI, may preclude them from getting a bid.
Quote from: d3hoops8585 on February 19, 2006, 11:42:15 AM
people should really be talking about villa Julie getting a Pool B Bid...they're 17-7, 12-4 in conference and 4 of those losses have come with their point guard (chris warren) injured. They won the pride of Maryland Tournanment, which should almost be an automatic bid in itself and they had catholic beat until the end. If they win their conference tournament, I dont think there should be any discussion whatsoever, they should defiintely get in, but I think if they make it to the championship game, they should get in too..they've had a great season and should be rewarded for doing so
Am I missing something here? What does any of this have to do with this board?
Nothing; someone's trying to hone in on your board Rhodes.
Score from 2/20
Lincoln 115, Penn State-Abington (other) 83
Score from 2/23
Philadelphia Biblical 89, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 83
Totals through regular season*
D3 vs.
D1...2-66
D2...22-68
NAIA 1...22-31
NAIA 2...119-118
NCCAA...72-9
USCAA...75-18
Other...37-2
*Subject to revision. There are missing scores, but far fewer than those of previous years.
Rhodes, do you need us to track any of the scores for you?
If you would like the assistance, please post them and I am sure someone can find the score and the URL of the source to double-check.
Ralph: I think there are some missing scores, but I can't tell you what they are. I do know that I listed almost all of the scores that were on the scoreboard. hopefan did an outstanding job of listing the scores that weren't on the scoreboard. All I can say is that if someone knows a score that has not been counted, please post it.
The NAIA D1 tournament field...
http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030806aab.html
Here are games between NAIA DI/NCAA D3 tournament teams that I am aware of. Anyone know of others?
@Illinios Wesleyan 87
Olivet Nazarene 68
(Nov. 22)
@Illinois Wesleyan 81
St. Xavier 61
(Nov. 28)
@Azusa Pacific 89
Occidental 71
(Dec. 6)
Lawrence 64
@Vanguard 59
(Dec. 30)
The NAIA D2 tourney field...
http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/030806aal.html
Again, a few crossover games I recall...
Warner Pacific 100
@Puget Sound 93
(Nov. 25)
Cornerstone 87
Calvin 79
(Nov. 25, neutral)
Hope 79
Cornerstone 59
(Nov. 26, neutral)
Any others?
NAIA D-1
LSU-Shreveport (25-3) (Gulf South AC Champion) 90
at ETBU (14-12/14-9 reg /14-8 conf--ASC-East Div) 87
Nov 22nd.
Ralph, I was just referring to NAIA/NCAA tournament team "crossover." Sorry for the confusion.
Quote from: Titan Q on March 08, 2006, 06:12:57 PM
The NAIA D2 tourney field...
http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/030806aal.html
Again, a few crossover games I recall...
Warner Pacific 100
@Puget Sound 93
(Nov. 25)
Cornerstone 87
Calvin 79
(Nov. 25, neutral)
Hope 79
Cornerstone 59
(Nov. 26, neutral)
Any others?
at Hope 82 Aquinas 75
Dec 10, 2005
Hope 67Aquinas 66
Nov 25, 2005, neutral
Calvin 71Aquinas 86
Nov 26, 2005, neutral
Calvin 69at Aquinas 52
Dec 6, 2005
Aw shucks! I was going to add that D-1 Southland Conference Regular Season Champion Northwestern St Demons only defeated ETBU 77-74 in the Lions opener in Natchitoches, LA (Na" chi tosh') on Nov 22nd.
The Southland Conference tourney finishes this week. ;)
And Northwestern State has a pretty decent team too.
Yep, I think NW State could be a thorn in the side of some major team in the NCAA D-1 tourney!
They were quite impressive in the non-conference season. Hopefully their poor conference opponents haven't ruined their ability to play at a higher level (much like Gonzaga's do every year).
Well, last year St. Mary's was good enough to get a second bid from the WCC. So I don't blame Gonzaga's issues on their conference, just the inherent flaws of the team itself.
And Sam Houston State also had a good run in the pre-season NIT, so they're not a pushover.
The teams that will have issues because of their conference are GW and Memphis, IMHO.
Anyway...it's not unlike what we have here at times in D-3 land. The SOS of Mississippi College was horrid, in comparison, because their half of the ASC isn't as strong as the other half. Could that affect them this weekend?
Actually that game should be interesting. MC likes to run 12 guys in there in near equal time. I'm not sure Tranny has had much of a chance to play against a deep team like that. That would be one great game to watch. Well, I guess Hope-Wittenberg would be pretty good too. With all the talk about the Midwest Sectional, people are overlooking two pretty good games at Wittenberg this weekend.
Quote from: smedindy on March 09, 2006, 09:50:49 AM
Well, last year St. Mary's was good enough to get a second bid from the WCC. So I don't blame Gonzaga's issues on their conference, just the inherent flaws of the team itself.
And Sam Houston State also had a good run in the pre-season NIT, so they're not a pushover.
The teams that will have issues because of their conference are GW and Memphis, IMHO.
Anyway...it's not unlike what we have here at times in D-3 land. The SOS of Mississippi College was horrid, in comparison, because their half of the ASC isn't as strong as the other half. Could that affect them this weekend?
Smed and Hoops fan, thanks for the consideration that you are giving the ASC.
Texas Lutheran (7-17/6-16) defeated Norwich (21-8/13-5) on a neutral floor. No great shakes. but definitely a win.
Norwich made the tourney and lost to SJF in the 2nd round.
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Norwich&team=m&year=2006
The ASC is so isolated that the conference has decided to play a 22-game schedule to ensure a generous number of South Region games. Therefore, we don't have the chance to boost the records on SLIAC's or NIIC's or AMCC's or NEAC's. Trinity and Southwestern are very selective in their scheduling, and UDallas rarely schedules ASC teams. There are weak teams, but the teams are not as weak as one might suggest, simply because the ASC is a closed system.
I'm curious, Ralph -- have any ASC members attempted to emulate the SCIAC by attracting D3 snowbirds in November and December? If the weather's nice in Texas at that time of year (and I realize it's a big state, so the weather in north Texas isn't necessarily the same as the weather in south Texas) it strikes me as a cheaper alternative than southern California for D3 teams looking to make a warm-weather trip. The games wouldn't count in terms of regional play, of course, but they'd at least create some secondary-criteria possibilities and would raise the national profile of the ASC on the D3 radar.
I'm thinking of the classic-format tourney that Trinity (TX) and Southwestern have been co-hosting over the past few seasons. It seems to be working very nicely.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 11:27:09 AM
The ASC is so isolated that the conference has decided to play a 22-game schedule to ensure a generous number of South Region games. Therefore, we don't have the chance to boost the records on SLIAC's or NIIC's or AMCC's or NEAC's. Trinity and Southwestern are very selective in their scheduling, and UDallas rarely schedules ASC teams. There are weak teams, but the teams are not as weak as one might suggest, simply because the ASC is a closed system.
That's true. It's hard to get a competitive regional record if you're .600 in conference without much chance at other in-region competition.
Greg, the migration of AC to the SCAC does help with the availability of games. The East will have 20 games among conference teams; the West 21 in 2006-07.
The East might be able to schedule two tourneys or classics, but travel is not as convenient as flying into San Antonio or Austin. UT-Tyler is 2 hours from DFW; everyone else except UT-Dallas is farther.
Actually what might help us more is the Holiday in-region legislation. The ASC is much closer to the Midwest, West and even Great Lakes regions, than to the ODAC and USAC.
I actually prefer that McMurry actually travel to the tourneys.
In 2003-04, the ASC-West so much better than the ASC-East, that the net effect was to boost the QOWI by 0.57 points. That is a great boost. Unfortunately, there were so few Pool C bids.
Practically speaking, MissColl was better than anyone else. UMHB might have been that good, but an All-ASC senior point guard failed to make grades in the Fall Semester. That might have given a second team as a Pool C. Otherwise, the ASC just tends to WIAC/CCIW itself out of contention for Pool C bids on the men's side.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 01:13:20 PM
Otherwise, the ASC just tends to WIAC/CCIW itself out of contention for Pool C bids on the men's side.
And, like I said, they don't have the chance to up the QOWI numbers with non-conference opponents (ala IWU).
I think the holiday in-region thing is a great idea, which means the NCAA will never go for it. You'll have to come up with something else Ralph.
I get the impression that the Competition committee likes it. There are just too many bugs in the system to bring it forward at this time.
All things considered, this tournament field is so much better than anything recently. And yes I can quibble about the pairings, #1 Miss College not getting to host the Sectional and on the Women, McMurry having the #2 seed in the Region, but not getting the weakest team in the sub-brakcet, Trinity TX, but rather getting their Crosstown Rival Hardin-Simmons in the first round to guarantee an Abilene team in the tourney for the second night. It's a ticket thing.
McMurry and Hardin-Simmons is kinda like Calvin/Hope or Bates/Bowdoin in the first round.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 01:38:52 PM
McMurry and Hardin-Simmons is kinda like Calvin/Hope or Bates/Bowdoin in the first round.
Yeah, but only if they were both in Wyoming.
I couldn't find the post but someone asked about C'stone and Aquinas.
Cornerstone was down from the past 5 years, easily the worst team they've had in years, but they still qualified for the national tournament. I expect them to get bounced out today.
Cornerstone was severely hampered by the sudden forced departure of their all everything stud (Voorhees) who transfered from Central Michigan. They would have had a great team this year pairing him up with their 6-9 center Yonker.
Aquinas is a building program and had one of their best years in memory, also advancing to the NAIA tournament, they were bounced out yesterday by Taylor.
These teams can compete with the better D3 teams. They take great pleasure in knocking off their local rivals Hope and Calvin who get almost all of the small college publicity in Grand Rapids.
Syracuse just knocked off Connecticut in OT...amazing game all the way through.
Was it more amazing than watching Louisville stink up the garden and almost come back to win last night?
Wait a minute are these NAIA I or II teams?
McNamarra hit a three at the buzzer again to send it to overtime, then hit like 400 free throws down the stretch. He's going to be the next reggie miller: adequate guard until crunch time then a can't miss shooter.
If your inclined you can follow the NAIA II tournament going on as we speak here
http://naia.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/030806aal.html
They even have a gametracker.
OK, maybe my comments were directed the wrong way. NAIA -II is a joke. They only have 159 schools, but they have a 32 team tournament? 20% of the teams make the tournament? And a lot of them just plain stink. Fisher College made it for cyring out loud. They'd be a bad D3 team and they're in New England!!
There are some real stinkers who make the D3 tournament every year too.
Quote from: sac on March 09, 2006, 03:59:50 PM
There are some real stinkers who make the D3 tournament every year too.
Still our stinkers could beat their stinkers any day of the week.
Fisher looks to be the #31 seed (out of 32) in the tournament. They won their league in upset fashion over the #1 seed...
http://www.fisher.edu/Web/Athletics/mens_basketball_home.html
Marginal teams making the tournament happens at all levels. I'm not sure I'd consider NCAA D3 Wisconsin Lutheran (lost by 42 to Hope) to be a favorite over Fisher College...and no, and I haven't seen either play.
Hoops, from reading your posts on CCIW Chat I understand that you don't think much of NAIA, but there are some real powers in both I and II. My parents go to more small college basketball games than anyone I know, and my dad has said all year long that the best team he has seen is Huntington (In)...and he's seen Illinois Wesleyan, Hope, Robert Morris, Olivet Nazarene, St. Xavier, Augustana, North Central, Elmhurst, and other ranked teams among affiliations.
The Top 4-5 NAIA I teams are better than the best NCAA D3 teams. As has been posted before, those teams are more like good NCAA D2 teams - the teams you see in the Elite 8 on CBS every year. Lawrence or Wittenberg or whoever our best is would be an underdog vs Mountain States or the top NAIA I. In NAIA II, the top 5 or so are very comparable to top D3 teams.
1. Embry Riddle
2. Huntington
3. Walsh
4. Ozarks
5. Warner Pacific (won @ Puget Sound by 7)
That's the top 5 heading in the tourney. These teams can play with the teams that end up in Salem in next.
After the top teams, there is a pretty big fall off in the rest of the NAIA II top 25, but there are some pretty solid teams. #19 Aquinas beat MIAA regular season champ Calvin, as did unranked Cornerstone. Hope beat Aquinas by 1 on a neutral court and then by 7 at home...and Hope beat Cornerstone by 20.
I think our worst stinker, in theory, was York (NY) and Wisconsin Lutheran, but they earned their way in. Not unlike Monmouth yesterday. (The other Monmouth, in Jersey...)
With 5 minutes gone it Huntington 12 Fisher 0
Quote from: Titan Q on March 09, 2006, 04:56:33 PM
My parents go to more small college basketball games than anyone I know, and my dad has said all year long that the best team he has seen is Huntington (In)...and he's seen Illinois Wesleyan, Hope, Robert Morris, Olivet Nazarene, St. Xavier, Augustana, North Central, Elmhurst, and other ranked teams among affiliations.
I met your parents at the Hope @ Trinity Christian game this year - very nice folks and quite knowledgeable about the game. The fact that your dad had nice things to say about Hope's team didn't hurt, either. ;)
I thought I cleared up the whole NAIA thing, oh well. I still do think NAIA-II is crap despite the occasional good performance.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 10, 2006, 09:03:04 AM
I thought I cleared up the whole NAIA thing, oh well. I still do think NAIA-II is crap despite the occasional good performance.
Oddly enough, the worst team I saw all year was an NAIA-1 team: Illinois Tech. IIT was so bad that they might've given Principia a run for the money as the worst team in the state among four-year schools.
Well, they were last in the Massey ratings (using MOV) for NAIA - and with that rating that would put them around Immaculata.
On Wolfe they were ranked behind Medgar Evers.
Yick!
THe combined Massey (without MOV) has them 3rd worst in NAIA-I and sandwiched between Fontbonne and Castleton State in the overall #1273 out of 1500. Although admittedly, most of the bottom is comprised of non NCAA or NAIA schools.
Quote from: monsoon on March 09, 2006, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 09, 2006, 04:56:33 PM
My parents go to more small college basketball games than anyone I know, and my dad has said all year long that the best team he has seen is Huntington (In)...and he's seen Illinois Wesleyan, Hope, Robert Morris, Olivet Nazarene, St. Xavier, Augustana, North Central, Elmhurst, and other ranked teams among affiliations.
Hopefully, he can see Witt on the Internet tonight and we can hear his opinion of them as well. The link to the game is at witt's web site www.wittenberg.edu.
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I don't know if anyone has compiled the stats from earlier years (and the stats reported were only from NAIA-2, not NAIA-1), but from the first pages of the d3 vs. everybody thread I found:
2001-02: d3 118, NAIA-2 58
2002-03: d3 92, NAIA-2 60
2003-04: d3 93, NAIA-2 62
2004-05: d3 67, NAIA-2 70 (d3 16, NAIA-1 22)
2005-06: d3 119, NAIA-2 118 (d3 22, NAIA 31)
Two things strike me:
(1) the d3 dominance over NAIA-2 slipped a bit from 2001 thru (winter)2004, but crashed and burned after that.
(2) why a sudden increase of 100(!) games between 2004-05 and 2005-06? [My speculation - the record-keeping may have improved dramatically.]
If anyone can fill in the d3 vs NAIA-1 records, or records for either pre-dating 2001, it would be greatly appreciated! (Though the d3 vs. everybody board would be the more appropriate place to do it.)
Transferred so it won't be lost... ;)
Thanks Ralph; please I'd love this embarassment to continue.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2006, 10:14:30 PM
Thanks Ralph; please I'd love this embarassment to continue.
I was thinking more in terms of: Ralph, was it really necessary to copy this in a way that preserves forever my -7 Karma? Jeesh, just 3-4 weeks ago I was at +19 - I have no clue who I have p***ed off since then. It goes down even on days when I haven't posted, much less on days when I've been nicey-nice! ;D
I find my karma goes down the most when I'm not on posting. I guess people are afraid to face me when they anonymously click a link.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2006, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 11, 2006, 10:14:30 PM
Thanks Ralph; please I'd love this embarassment to continue.
I was thinking more in terms of: Ralph, was it really necessary to copy this in a way that preserves forever my -7 Karma? Jeesh, just 3-4 weeks ago I was at +19 - I have no clue who I have p***ed off since then. It goes down even on days when I haven't posted, much less on days when I've been nicey-nice! ;D
Someone must've recently received a speeding ticket in Ypsilanti, or bad service from a waitress in a restaurant there. ;)
Additional scores:
Philander Smith (USCAA) 96, Rust 77 (1/19)
Arkansas Baptist (USCAA) 106, Rust 80 (1/24)
Rust 88, Arkansas Baptist (USCAA) 60 (1/31)
LeMoyne-Owen (D2) 82, Rust 80 (2/4)
Chapman 80, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 35 (2/7)
Rust 109, Philander Smith (USCAA) 98 (2/9)
Bethany Lutheran 83, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 83-80 (OT) (3/4)
Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 87, Bethany Lutheran 72 (3/16)
Bethany Lutheran 97, Asbury (NAIA 2) 87 (3/17)
Bethany Lutheran 92, Central Baptist, AK (NCCAA) 67 (3/18)
Rhodes,
La Sierra is a d3 provisional.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 23, 2006, 11:28:39 AM
Rhodes,
La Sierra is a d3 provisional.
You're right. I made the correction. La Sierra had been correctly classifed as D3 all season long, but I made the mistake above.
If anyone is wondering, I've classified all NAIA schools that have dual membership with the NCCAA as being NAIA.
Updated totals:
D3 vs.
D1...2-66
D2...22-69
NAIA 1...22-31
NAIA 2...121-119
NCCAA...73-9
USCAA...78-20
Other...37-2
Mr. Ypsi: Per an earlier post--here are the totals for D3 vs. NAIA 1 from 2002 through 2006. I'm pretty sure that this year's totals are the most inclusive.
D3 vs. NAIA 1 won-lost records
2002 21-14
2003 18-14
2004 14-18
2005 16-22
2006 22-31
I made a mistake on yesterday's D3 vs. NAIA 1 records. I used the 2006 totals for 2005. The edited post is correct.
WashU takes on SIU tonight. This should be a fantastic match-up for the pre-season. If only they'd schedule them when it counts.
OK, sorry; nevermind.
Additions and corrections are welcome.
Aurora 71, Indiana-South Bend (NAIA 1) 63 (OT)
Centre 84, Virginia-Wise (NAIA 2) 60
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 63, West Coast Baptist (other) 40
Elizabethtown 84, Penn State-Harrisburg (other) 23
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 74, Pacific 58
George Fox 74, Corban (NAIA 2) 61
Hendrix 84, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 77 (OT)
Holy Names (NAIA 2) 88, Linfield 86 (OT)
LeTourneau 84, Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 81
Millsaps 93, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 62
Misericordia 69, Penn State-Hazleton (other) 59
Mount St. Mary 102, Albany Pharmacy (other) 58
Oglethorpe 98, Carver Bible (NCCAA 2) 72
Philadelphia Bible 71, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 64
Rochester, MI (USCAA) 62, Albion 49
Southwest Minnesota State (D2) 67, St. Olaf 55
Susquehanna 105, Penn College (other) 60
Westfield State 98, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 50
UW-Platteville 75, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 60
Additional scores from 11/17
Albertson (NAIA 2) 116, Williamette 77
Bluffton 81, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 65
Bridgewater, VA 78, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 62
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 60, Olivet 45
CSU-Pueblo (D2) 84, Wartburg 77 (OT)
Jamestown (NAIA 2) 89, Minnesota-Morris 79
Juniata 88, Franciscan (other) 54
Lubbock Christian (NAIA 1) 97, Concordia-Austin 84
North Central 97, East-West (other) 58
Rutgers-Newark 79, Penn State-Abington (other) 73
Tri-State 73, Marygrove (USCAA) 60
Utica 104, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 37
UW-River Falls 99, William Penn (NAIA 2) 91
Rhodes Scholar: Hot off the presses - score from 11-18-06
Crichton College (NAIA) 102 FISK 87
On another note, I see that the GSAC Board has been reduced to Matt Grubb's (aka Brent Watts) pablum without me to post on it. Figures... Bye, bye...
Scores from 11/18
Central Missouri St. (D2) 81, Monmouth 53
Clark 96, Fisher (NAIA 2) 61
Corban (NAIA 2) 85, Whitman 71
DeSales 119, Penn State-Harrisburg (other) 49
George Fox 85, Holy Names (NAIA 2) 65
Goucher 77, Maryland Bible (other) 59
Grace Bible (NCCAA 1) 92, Concordia, WI 88
Guilford 101, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 77
Hannibal-LaGrange (NAIA 1) 67, Philadelphia Bible 57
Macalester 87, Embry-Riddle, FL (NAIA 2) 85
Marywood 93, Penn State-Hazleton (other) 63
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 83, Northwestern, MN 65
McNeese State (D1) 89, Louisiana College 60
Mercer (D1) 89, Emory 71
New Jersey 79, Penn College (other) 56
Plattsburgh State 73, Penn State-Abington (other) 68
Point Park (NAIA 2) 108, Buffalo State 82
Rhodes 74, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 62
Ripon 76, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 65
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 91, Lynchburg 86
Wabash 56, IU-South Bend (NAIA 1) 44
West Coast Baptist (other) 81, Caltech 68
Scores from 11/19
California Maritime (NAIA 2) 54, Maine Maritime 35
Olivet 75, Andrews (USCAA) 62
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 79, Roanoke 75
Yeshiva 71, Berkeley (other) 45
Additional scores from 11/17
Benedictine 84, Grace Bible (NCCAA 1) 63
Bethel 113, Dakota State (NAIA 2) 83
Loyola, IL (D1) 96, John Carroll 74
Northland 81, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 76
Presentation 74, Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 57
St. Louis Christian (NCCAA 2) 84, Lincoln Christian 61
Wiley (NAIA 1) 73, East Texas Baptist 58
Additional scores from 11/18
California Maritime (NAIA 2) 75, SUNY-Maritime 56
Centre 82, Berea (NAIA 2) 66
CSU-Pueblo (D2) 86, Hamline 71
Dallas Baptist (D2) 83, Howard Payne 64
Keuka 90, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 71
Franciscan (other) 76, Penn State-Altoona 65
Philadelphia University (D2) 75, Chestnut Hill 63
St. Mary's, TX (D2) 79, Sul Ross State 52
SUNY-Farmingdale 90, Berkeley (other) 29
Looking at this list, I'm wondering what the rule is for the new D3 provisionals.
You've included Lincoln Christian as D3, but show St. Vincent and Lancaster Bible under their old affiliations. No mention either way of Lyndon St. or SUNY Morrisville.
PAbegg -- any chance you have that 2001-02 or 2000-01 scores database we've been talking about for the past 12 months?
pabegg: I classified St. Vincent and Lancaster Bible as non-D3 because I was following the current scoreboard--i.e., these schools were listed in black print. I didn't now they were provisional D3 schools. Lincoln Christian was listed as D3 because they were printed in blue with a link. As a rule, I've been listing D3 provisionals as D3, so I'll probably change all the schools you mentioned to D3.
To all: If you see a school that is misclassified or is questionable, please speak up.
Scores from 11/21
Abilene Christian (D2) 87, Howard Payne 81
Belhaven (NAIA 1) 69, Millsaps 60
Centenary 84, Berkeley (other) 61
Coe 82, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 62
Davidson (D1) 99, Colby 69
Emory & Henry 120, Virginia-Wise (NAIA 2) 101
LSU-Shreveport (NAIA 1) 89, East Texas Baptist 85
Lake Superior State (D2) 82, Finlandia 47
Maryland Bible (other) 78, Gallaudet 74 (OT)
McKendree (NAIA 1) 82, Greenville 59
Messiah 74, Mansfield State (D2) 66
Millikin 88, IU-Northwest (NAIA 2) 73
Minnesota Duluth (D2) 78, St. Scholastica 68
Moorhead State (D2) 85, Concordia-Moorhead 84 (OT)
Muskingum 69, Franciscan (other) 43
Nebraska Wesleyan 70, Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 65
NJCU 98, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 65
Redlands 152, West Coast Baptist (other) 98
Rutgers-Camden 93, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 77
Saginaw Valley (D2) 81, Olivet 67
Sam Houston State (D1) 95, Louisiana College 31
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 91, Waynesburg 80
St. Edward's (D2) 105, Concordia-Austin 89
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 68, Principia 60
Stephen F. Austin (D1) 99, Schreiner 54
SUNY-Purchase 89, Pratt (other) 58
Texas-Dallas 81, Southwestern Assemblies of God (NAIA 1) 70
UW-LaCrosse 71, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 45
UW-Stout 67, Bemidji State (D2) 49
Additional score from 11/20:
Eastern Kentucky (D1) 63, Kenyon 52
...Kenyon led by as much as 21, and by 13 at the half. Oh well.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 22, 2006, 07:25:33 PM
pabegg: I classified St. Vincent and Lancaster Bible as non-D3 because I was following the current scoreboard--i.e., these schools were listed in black print. I didn't now they were provisional D3 schools. Lincoln Christian was listed as D3 because they were printed in blue with a link. As a rule, I've been listing D3 provisionals as D3, so I'll probably change all the schools you mentioned to D3.
To all: If you see a school that is misclassified or is questionable, please speak up.
Lancaster Bible is not provisional yet, to my understanding. St. Vincent was listed by the NCAA as having asked for a deferment, but it seems to have been denied or a false report from the NCAA.
After looking at the websites of the three schools in question, it looks like Lincoln Christian and St. Vincent are D3 provisionals, while Lancaster Bible is not.
Last night:
Bluffton University 79, Goshen College (NAIA 2) 73.
Scores from 11/24
Calvin 81, Aquinas (NAIA 2) 65
Cal State-Stanislaus (D2) 112, UC Santa Cruz 56
Christopher Newport 91, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 87
Colorado-Colorado Springs (D2) 105, Carroll 86
DePauw 88, Judson (NAIA 2) 84
Hope 80, Cornerstone (NAIA 2) 76
Maryland Bible (other) 78, Concordia-Moorhead 72 (OT)
Millsaps 70, Wesley, MS (NCCAA) 57
Occidental 66, Notre Dame de Namur (D2) 59
Puget Sound 98, Northwest Christian (NAIA 2) 91
Wartburg 97, Peru State (NAIA 2) 53
Winona State (D2) 98, St. Mary's, MN 54
Final: #2 Wooster 85 Walsh University (NAIA 2) 68
Wooster next plays NAIA power Georgetown (KY) on 11/28
Scores from 11/25
Anderson 69, Taylor (NAIA 2) 59
Brooklyn 75, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 73 (OT)
Buena Vista 99, Northwestern (NAIA 2) 86
Carnegie Mellon 121, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 51
Christopher Newport 87, Maryland Bible (other) 67
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 51, Hope International (NAIA 1) 48
Hawaii Pacific (D2) 79, Carleton 76 (OT)
IWU 92, Judson, IL (NAIA 2) 50
La Verne 76, Life Pacific (other) 46
Lincoln 103, Cheyney (D2) 95
Linfield 83, Cascade (NAIA 2) 73
Lipscomb (D1) 80, Fisk 68
LIU (D1) 105, SUNY-Old Westbury 50
Longwood (D1) 88, Shenandoah 60
Maryville, MO 65, Reinhardt (NAIA 1) 54
Monmouth 61, Hannibal-LaGrange (NAIA 1) 58
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 55, Luther 53
Northern Kentucky (D2) 86, Thomas More 61
Northwest Nazarene (D2) 61, Pacific 53
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 75, Mt. St. Joseph 73 (OT)
Ohio Northern 113, College of the Bahamas (other) 45
Rhema Bible (USCAA) 80, Austin 78
Rhodes 72, Wesley, MS (NCCAA 2) 65
Rochester, MI (USCAA) 66, Adrian 55
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 87, Concordia-Moorhead 80
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 109, Puget Sound 102
For those who are interested in comparing the tops of the respective divisions, note that the Wooster-Walsh game was between the #2 ranked team in NCAA D3 and the #7 ranked team in NAIA D2 (http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/110106aaa.html), on the NAIA team's home court. Chalk one up for D3. :)
The upcoming game between Wooster and Georgetown involves the #2 NCAA D3 team and the #8 NAIA D1 team (http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110106aab.html), but this time the game will be at Wooster.
If anyone knows of other interdivisional matchups between ranked teams, please make note of them here. For example, it seems that Robert Morris (IL), the #1 NAIA D1 team, plays D3 teams from time to time (although there are two Robert Morrises in Illinois, and I've never been able to keep them straight), and I'd be interested to know if they can beat a top D3 team.
Robert Morris (Chicago) would probably be a 10 point+ favorite vs the best Division III team on a neutral court. Their third leading scorer, John Winchester, started for Tennessee. Reggie George, RMC's leading scorer, is a transfer from Iowa State. This is a program where McDonald's All-American Jerome Harper was their fourth best player last year.
This isn't to suggest that the top D3 teams could not beat Robert Morris (Chicago), but it would be an upset. As I mentioned on the NCAC board, Olivet Nazarene actually won the league RMC is in last year, and Illinois Wesleyan beat ONU 87-68.
http://www.robertmorris.edu/athletics/mensbasketball/chicago/
NAIA II is a little harder to gauge. It seems like the top NCAA Division III teams are usually better than the top NAIA II teams and that, in general, we do well across the board against the NAIA II ranked programs. #5 Embry Riddle lost to D3 Macalaster on November 18. Macalaster was 7-18 overall last year and 6-14 in the MIAC.
http://daytona.embryriddlesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=47809&SPID=4506&DB_OEM_ID=11500&ATCLID=693532
NAIA II has some great teams though -- that Cornerstone team (unranked), for example, that Hope beat Friday is outstanding per my dad who saw Cornerstone dismantle NAIA I St. Xavier last week at SXU.
Clearly I don't have my basketball eyes with me yet, Cornerstone underwhlemed me Friday night against Hope. Infact I left Calvin thinking that crosstown NAIA II Aquinas was a better team than Cornerstone.
Well Cornerstone trounced AQ by 20 on Saturday and looked good doing it, granted AQ was without a couple players but the margin was not fluky at all.
I've had trouble gauging just how good Cornerstone has been recently because I always compare their current team to their great teams of 99-01 when they were a regualar at the NAIA II finals. This team is not especially deep despite having like 19 guys in uniform.
But if Q's dad says they're good, I'll accept that. ;)
I'll add that everything Q says about compareing NAIA to D3 is pretty much spot on.
Two more scores from 11-25:
Cal State Stanislaus (D2) 75 - Occidental 71
Notre Dame de Namur (D2) 69 - UC Santa Cruz 58
Quote from: David Collinge on November 26, 2006, 11:08:32 AMFor example, it seems that Robert Morris (IL), the #1 NAIA D1 team, plays D3 teams from time to time (although there are two Robert Morrises in Illinois, and I've never been able to keep them straight)
The problem is exacerbated by the fact that the two Robert Morris College teams share a common nickname, the same team colors, and -- worse -- the same website. The two teams even operate off of a common overall Robert Morris College basketball page. RMC is apparently quite zealous about maintaining a unified brand name as an institution among its various branch campuses. I always make it a point to refer to either one in hyphenated form (RMC-Chicago and RMC-Springfield) in order to avoid confusion, but most people don't follow my lead (or are simply unaware that there are two distinct basketball teams from Illinois called Robert Morris College). Perhaps I'll have to start getting as anal-retentive about insisting that people geographically identify the two RMCs as I am about the whole "preseason" thing. :D
(To add to the confusion, a
third RMC campus -- RMC-Lake County, located in north suburban Waukegan -- is also beginning to field intercollegiate sports teams. RMCLC even beat Carthage in men's soccer this season. It's probably only a matter of time before RMCLC also begins playing men's basketball ... no doubt as yet another maroon-and-gold Eagles incarnation.)
However, RMC-Chicago -- the NAIA-1 powerhouse --
never plays D3 teams. I can't remember the last time that the big-city Eagles took the court against a team from our division. It's been my experience that most Chicagoland D3 types respect RMC-Chicago's talent and accomplishments but not the way that the program behind it operates.
RMC-Springfield, which is affiliated with the USCAA rather than the NAIA and which fields a team vastly inferior to the one on the main campus in the Windy City, tends to play anywhere from a half-dozen to a dozen games against D3 comp every season. This year they're playing eleven D3 teams; they've lost to Guilford and beaten Roanoke on the East Coast, they face North Park on Monday and Blackburn on Wednesday, and after that the Capital City version of the Eagles will take on Millikin, North Central, UW-Platteville, Rose-Hulman, Caltech, Occidental, and Mount St. Joseph. Oddly enough, they're also playing three D2 teams (SIU-Edwardsville, Truman State, and Oakland City), a pair of jucos, a seminary team, and the RMC-Chicago JV.
RMC-Springfield is usually competitive against average D3 teams. Last season, for example, RMCS beat both Millikin and Rose-Hulman.
Lastly, according to the city's Wikipedia entry, Springfield, IL is the birthplace of the corn dog and the point of origin of the ill-fated Donner Party. I just felt the need to point that out.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2006, 03:55:24 AM
However, RMC-Chicago -- the NAIA-1 powerhouse -- never plays D3 teams. I can't remember the last time that the big-city Eagles took the court against a team from our division. It's been my experience that most Chicagoland D3 types respect RMC-Chicago's talent and accomplishments but not the way that the program behind it operates.
Greg, last year RMC-Chicago played Wash U, UW-Platteville, Hanover, Ohio Wesleyan, and Clarke.
http://www.robertmorris.edu/athletics/mensbasketball/chicago/archive/0506/
Per two e-mails from the Lancaster Bible College Athletic Department: It's their first year as an NCAA D3 provisional.
Additional scores from 11/18
Abilene Christian (D2) 116, Concordia-Austin 114
Eastern Mennonite 77, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 73
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 83, Eastern Texas Baptist 78
LaGrange 101, Carver Bible (NCCAA 2) 79
Scores from 11/20
Alma 62, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 60 (OT)
Belmont (D1) 83, Fisk 54
Lewis and Clark 98, Hawaii-Hilo (D2) 93 (OT)
Lincoln Christian 89, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA 2) 55
Maranatha Baptist 76, Emmaus (NCCAA 2) 53
Simpson 87, Grand View (NAIA 2) 80
Texas-Tyler 83, Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 76 (OT)
Wesley (NCCAA 2) 84, Mississippi College 82 (OT)
Scores from 11/26
Centre 83, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 69
Hannibal-LaGrange (NAIA 1) 64, Knox 47
Hendrix 88, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 71
Lake Forest 76, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 69
Monmouth 86, William Penn (NAIA 2) 73
Ohio Northern 74, Johnson & Wales, FL (USCAA) 60
Point Park (NAIA 2) 101, Carnegie Mellon 95
Polytechnic 70, Pratt (other) 49
Reinhardt (NAIA 1) 74, Webster 73
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 27, 2006, 01:21:54 PM
Per two e-mails from the Lancaster Bible College Athletic Department: It's their first year as an NCAA D3 provisional.
I've forgotten the 'ground rules' for this site - does that make Lancaster Bible d3 or just not included at all (or other)?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 27, 2006, 05:41:15 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 27, 2006, 01:21:54 PM
Per two e-mails from the Lancaster Bible College Athletic Department: It's their first year as an NCAA D3 provisional.
I've forgotten the 'ground rules' for this site - does that make Lancaster Bible d3 or just not included at all (or other)?
I'm counting all D3 provisionals as D3.
Quote from: Titan Q on November 27, 2006, 08:13:54 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 27, 2006, 03:55:24 AM
However, RMC-Chicago -- the NAIA-1 powerhouse -- never plays D3 teams. I can't remember the last time that the big-city Eagles took the court against a team from our division. It's been my experience that most Chicagoland D3 types respect RMC-Chicago's talent and accomplishments but not the way that the program behind it operates.
Greg, last year RMC-Chicago played Wash U, UW-Platteville, Hanover, Ohio Wesleyan, and Clarke.
http://www.robertmorris.edu/athletics/mensbasketball/chicago/archive/0506/
Yeah, I forgot that RMC-Chicago was in the UWP and Hanover tournaments. However, I didn't realize that they had also played Clarke.
Last season was an exception, though. RMC-Chicago usually doesn't play D3s, while RMC-Springfield actively seeks out D3 schools for games.
Scores from 11/27
Ferris State (D2) 81, Alma 53
Findlay (D2) 99, Lake Erie 67
Illinois College 107, Concordia, MO (other) 57
Indiana, PA (D2) 85, Pitt-Greensburg 52
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 78, East Texas Baptist 50
Minnesota-Morris 83, Minnesota-Crookston (D2) 77
Montclair State 91, Berkeley (other) 43
Mount Union 86, Franciscan (other) 43
North Park 65, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 64
San Diego Christian (NAIA 1) 84, UC Santa Cruz 52
West Chester (D2) 92, Penn State-Berks 56
Final: #2 Wooster 80 Georgetown (KY) (NAIA-1) 73
Very nice win for the Scots over #8 nationally ranked Georgetown.
Scores from 11/28
Brooklyn 77, Pratt (other) 42
Greenville 96, Logan Chiropractic (other) 57
Marywood 98, Davis (other) 56
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 119, Minnesota-Morris 80
North Carolina Wesleyan 114, Roanoke Bible (other)
Southern Polytechnic State (NAIA 1) 72, Piedmont 68
St. Xavier (NAIA 1) 75, IWU 73
SUNYIT 90, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 66
D3 vs.
D1....0-11
D2....6-26
NAIA 1....10-13
NAIA 2....31-17
NCCAA 1.....2-1
NCCAA 2....12-2
USCAA....17-7
Other....27-3
(Totals through 11/28)
Rhodes, is that including exhibitions or have there really been 11 games against d1 opponents already this year? Can we get a rundown of those?
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 29, 2006, 12:48:35 PM
Rhodes, is that including exhibitions or have there really been 11 games against d1 opponents already this year? Can we get a rundown of those?
Here are a few:
Lipscomb (D1) 80, Fisk 68
LIU (D1) 105, SUNY-Old Westbury 50
Longwood (D1) 88, Shenandoah 60
Belmont (D1) 83, Fisk 54
McNeese State (D1) 89, Louisiana College 60
Mercer (D1) 89, Emory 71
Loyola, IL (D1) 96, John Carroll 74
Davidson (D1) 99, Colby 69
Stephen F. Austin (D1) 99, Schreiner 54
Eastern Kentucky (D1) 63, Kenyon 52
I'm missing one (this is only 10 games) and I didn't copy over the date, but they're in the last 4 pages of this thread if you want to take a look at it.
The missing game is:
Sam Houston State (D1) 95, Louisiana College 31
No exhibitions are included.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 29, 2006, 01:26:14 PM
The missing game is:
Sam Houston State (D1) 95, Louisiana College 31
No exhibitions are included.
That was such a barnburner, I dunno how I could have missed it!
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 29, 2006, 12:27:42 PM
Scores from 11/28
Brooklyn 77, Pratt (other) 42
Isnt Pratt NCAA?
I don't think so. They're in the HVWAC, and some schools in that are in D-3 and play in another conference as well.
Scores from 11/29
Bethany 109, Ohio-Eastern (other) 80
Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo (D1) 81, Occidental 62
Gardner Webb (D1) 70, Ferrum 53
Grove City 74, Geneva (NAIA 2) 64
Kings Point 86, St. Joseph's-Brooklyn (USCAA) 72
Lehigh (D1) 96, Swarthmore 33
Mansfield State (D2) 79, Keystone 55
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 73, Blackburn 70
St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 77, Augustana 54
Texas A&M International (D2) 67, Texas Lutheran 49
Vermont Tech (NAIA 2) 80, Johnson State 77
Waldorf (NAIA 2) 82, Martin Luther 76
Whitworth 95, Walla Walla (NCCAA 1) 75
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 30, 2006, 10:55:14 AM
Scores from 11/29
Bethany 109, Ohio-Eastern (other) 80
I've lived in Eastern Ohio most of my life, and I never knew there was an Ohio (U.)-Eastern until today. Their few sports teams (volleyball, golf, and m/w hoops) play in a conference of branch campuses of Ohio state universities. The Panther basketball teams play their home games in the Robert W. Ney Health and Physical Education Center--I'm not making this up. I'm told that naming rights are available; to be considered, send $50,000 in unmarked, non-sequential $100 bills to me, and I'll see what I can do. :D
QuoteThe Panther basketball teams play their home games in the Robert W. Ney Health and Physical Education Center--I'm not making this up. I'm told that naming rights are available; to be considered, send $50,000 in unmarked, non-sequential $100 bills to me, and I'll see what I can do. :D
At least it's not the Robert W. Ney Center for Ethics in Government... :P
Quote from: David Collinge on November 30, 2006, 03:59:26 PM
...home games in the Robert W. Ney Health and Physical Education Center--I'm not making this up. I'm told that naming rights are available; to be considered, send $50,000 in unmarked, non-sequential $100 bills to me, and I'll see what I can do. :D
David -- perhaps people should send jars of rare coins instead! ;D
Quote from: David Collinge on November 30, 2006, 03:59:26 PMThe Panther basketball teams play their home games in the Robert W. Ney Health and Physical Education Center--I'm not making this up. I'm told that naming rights are available; to be considered, send $50,000 in unmarked, non-sequential $100 bills to me, and I'll see what I can do. :D
Perhaps they can just paint a line through the "Robert W." on the sign and then paint "Marshal" over it.
"Come and see how a Marshal of France can die!"
Scores from 11/30
Bethany 98, Franciscan, OH (other) 62
Crown 64, Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 50
Emory and Henry 105, Virginia-Wise (NAIA 2) 84
LaGrange 83, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 64
West Coast Baptist (other) 81, La Verne 79
Whittier 100, Life Pacific (other) 64
Scores from 12/1
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 62, Dominican, CA (NAIA 2) 44
Colorado College 69, Life Pacific (NCCAA 2) 59
Grace Bible (NCCAA 1) 85, Maranatha Baptist 65
Hunter 70, St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 66
Medgar Evers 96, Pratt (other) 33
Salem International (D2) 90, Lincoln 79
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 62, Presentation 50
Scores from 12/2
Brevard (NAIA 2) 79, Baruch 73
Bridgewater, VA 93, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 52
Colby 89, Fisher (NAIA 2) 73
Elmhurst 87, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 77
Embry Riddle (NAIA 2) 77, Methodist 68
Geneva (NAIA 2) 83, Westminster, PA 80
Keystone 66, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 52
Lincoln 201, Ohio State-Marion (USCAA) 78
Maranatha Baptist 75, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 69
Morningside (NAIA 2) 78, Nebraska Wesleyan 62
Northwest Missouri State (D2) 111, Principia 36
Rutgers-Camden 89, Albany Pharmacy (other) 68
Tri-State 77, Davenport (NAIA 2) 68
Valley City State (NAIA 2) 73, Minnesota-Morris 65
Whittier 88, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 71
Rhodes Scholar, although Menlo is NCAA D-III in football, they are a memebr of the NAIA2 Cal Pac conference in basketball, so here are some scores
11-17 Pacific Lutheran 80 - Menlo (NAIA2) 74
11-18 Puget Sound 130 - Menlo (NAIA2) 102
11-24 Menlo (NAIA2) 79 - Colorado College 71
12-2 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 51 - Menlo (NAIA2) 50
Quote from: cawcdad on December 04, 2006, 09:39:15 AM
Rhodes Scholar, although Menlo is NCAA D-III in football, they are a memebr of the NAIA2 Cal Pac conference in basketball, so here are some scores
11-17 Pacific Lutheran 80 - Menlo (NAIA2) 74
11-18 Puget Sound 130 - Menlo (NAIA2) 102
11-24 Menlo (NAIA2) 79 - Colorado College 71
12-2 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 51 - Menlo (NAIA2) 50
cawcdad: Thanks for the scores.
Scores from 12/3
Eastern Mennonite 95, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 83
St. Joseph's, ME 71, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 42
D3 vs.
D1....0-14
D2....6-30
NAIA 1....11-13
NAIA 2....41-25
NCCAA 1....3-3
NCCAA 2....19-2
USCAA....21-10
Other....31-3
(Totals through 12/3)
Scores from 12/4
Central 106, Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 44
Fontbonne 89, Concordia, MO (other) 66
Jamestown (NAIA 2) 87, Minnesota-Morris 65
Murray State (D1) 78, Anderson 33
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 113, Finlandia 69
Waynesburg 93, Franciscan-Steubenville (other) 71
Scores from 12/5
Central Missouri State (D2) 77, Westminster, MO 40
Coe 79, Grand View (NAIA 2) 66
Eastern Oregon (NAIA 2) 86, Whitman 77 (OT)
IWU 64, Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 63
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 74, Louisiana College 62
Lewis and Clark 80, Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 64
Loras 73, Ashford (NAIA 2) 67
Minnesota-Duluth (D2) 88, Northland 46
Minnesota-Mankato (D2) 93, Bethany Lutheran 77
Northwest (NAIA 2) 72, George Fox 68
Regis, CO (D2) 83, Colorado College 66
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 94, Millikin 91
Simpson 73, Iowa Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 60
Warner Pacific (NAIA 1) 89, Linfield 85
Wittenberg 66, Cedarville (NAIA 2) 61
Scores from 12/6
Buena Vista 66, Dordt (NAIA 2) 61 (OT)
Carson-Newman (D2) 74, Maryville, TN 65
Colgate (D1) 82, Elmira 34
Dana (NAIA 2) 61, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
Fisher (NAIA 2) 76, Green Mountain 61
LaGrange 75, Berry (NAIA 1) 73
Millersville (D2) 96, Elizabethtown 59
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 76, Dubuque 70
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 101, La Verne 54
Puget Sound 114, Puget Sound Christian (NCCAA 2) 56
Siena Heights (NAIA 2) 57, Adrian 54
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 91, Ferrum 70
Scores from 12/7
Ashford (NAIA 2) 86, Central 74
Lafayette (D1) 72, Lycoming 54
Portland State (D1) 107, Pacific Lutheran 57
University of Dallas 77, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 67
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 77, Martin Luther 61
Whittier 84, West Coast Baptist (other) 77
Wisconsin Lutheran 102, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 53
D3 vs.
D1....0-18
D2....6-36
NAIA 1....13-17
NAIA 2....47-34
NCCAA 1....3-3
NCCAA 2....23-2
USCAA....22-12
Other....33-3
(Totals through 12/7)
Scores from 12/8
Harris-Stowe (NAIA 1) 73, North Central 64
Hendrix 80, Central Baptist (NCCAA 1) 67
Hope 88, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 63
Houghton (NAIA 2) 70, Fredonia State 63
Linfield 87, Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 83
Messiah 104, Penn College (other) 35
Minnesota Mankato (D2) 76, Hamline 47
Northwest (NAIA 2) 85, Pacific Lutheran 56
Oregon Tech (NAIA 2) 84, George Fox 73
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 72, Millsaps 63
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 90, Greenville 80
Rowan 86, Newport News (USCAA) 76
San Francisco State (D2) 67, Whitman 63
Shenandoah 64, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 56
Wabash 83, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 51
Westmont (NAIA 1) 82, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 74 (OT)
Willamette 96, Concordia, OR (NAIA 2) 93
Scores from 12/9
Air Force (D1) 82, Colorado College 31
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 86, Alma 52
Belhaven (NAIA 1) 82, East Texas Baptist 78
Biola (NAIA 1) 95, Pomona-Pitzer 89
Buena Vista 103, St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 98 (OT)
Cal Lutheran 96, West Coast Baptist (other) 45
Cornell 77, Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 46
Crichton (NAIA 1) 110, Fisk 55
George Fox 80, Corban (NAIA 2) 63
Green Mountain 59, Paul Smith's (USCAA) 58 (OT)
Harris-Stowe (NAIA 1) 80, Greenville 78
Hope 85, Goshen (NAIA 2) 72
Hope International (NAIA 1) 127, Redlands 123
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 62, Concordia-Moorhead 58
Milwaukee Engineering 69, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 61
Minnesota Mankato (D2) 79, St. Mary's 57
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 70, Loras 61
Neumann 113, Penn Tech (other) 61
New Orleans (D1) 76, Texas-Tyler 52
North Central 85, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 75
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 75, Wabash 60
Pacific 79, Cascade (NAIA 2) 67
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 81, Huntingdon 64
Radford (D1) 94, Shenandoah 63
Rochester, MI (USCAA) 85, Adrian 74
Rochester Tech 57, Houghton (NAIA 2) 49
Rowan 95, Penn State Delaware County (other) 66
Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 81, Nebraska Wesleyan 66
St. Cloud State (D2) 90, St. John's 78
St. Edward's (D2) 87, Schreiner 46
Texas A&M International (D2) 63, Southwestern 48
Valdosta State (D2) 104, LaGrange 77
Waldorf (NAIA 2) 69, Luther 59
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 92, Whitman 85
Wayland Baptist (NAIA 1) 87, Howard Payne 80
Willamette 66, Southern Oregon (NAIA 2) 51
Scores from 12/10
Case Western Reserve 71, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 69
Maine-Presque Isle 83, Unity (USCAA) 79
Northern Michigan (D2) 73, St. Norbert 57
D3 vs.
D1....0-21
D2....6-44
NAIA 1....15-26
NAIA 2....55-42
NCCAA 1....4-5
NCCAA 2....25-2
USCAA....29-14
Other....36-3
(Totals through 12/10)
Scores from 12/11
Lehigh (D1) 83, Haverford 39
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 93, Martin Luther 56
North Park 74, Judson (NAIA 2) 57
Southeastern, FL (NCCAA 2) 61, Knox 49
Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 79, Albion 58
Scores from 12/12
CU-Colorado Springs (D2) 85, Colorado College 77
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 92, Monmouth 52
Scores from 12/13
Averett 85, Newport News (USCAA) 68
Judson (NAIA 2) 90, Beloit 89
Northern Michigan (D2) 95, UW-Stout 71
Warner Southern (NAIA 2) 78, Knox 55
UW-Stevens Point 75, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 49
Scores from 12/14
Briarcliffe (USCAA) 77, Centenary 75
Maine (D1) 75, Maine-Farmington 34
Northwestern (D1) 41, Wheaton 39
Widener 75, Maryland Bible (other) 46
D3 vs.
D1....0-24
D2....6-46
NAIA 1....15-27
NAIA 2....57-46
NCCAA 1....4-5
NCCAA 2....25-3
USCAA....30-15
Other....37-3
(Totals through 12/14)
Final: #1 Wooster 104 Cedarville (NAIA D2) 95
Wooster went on a 28-12 run to start the 2nd half and take control of this game. This was a nice win over a solid 9-1 squad ranked #9 nationally in NAIA Division II.
Platteville loses to the other Robert Morris-Springfield...that's a surprise.
Scores from 12/15
Calvin 72, Trinity Christian (NAIA 2) 63
Hendrix 79, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 48
Tri-State 71, Berea (NAIA 2) 68
Wagner (D1) 105, Union 64
Scores from 12/16
Army (D1) 101, SUNY-Purchase 40
Azusa Pacific (NAIA 1) 82, Adrian 66
Cal State-Los Angeles (D2) 129, Redlands 105
Cincinnati Christian (NCCAA 2) 71, Mount St. Joseph 68
Concordia, CA (NAIA 1) 77, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 56
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 105, UW-River Falls 72
Cornell 73, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 67
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 80, Pacific Lutheran 75
Fisher (NAIA 2) 86, Morrisville State 82
LaGrange 84, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 67
Manchester 62, Taylor-Fort Wayne (USCAA) 51
Missouri-St. Louis (D2) 99, Maryville, MO 62
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 82, UW-Platteville 74
Virginia Wesleyan 85, Newport News (USCAA) 67
Whitman 71, Biola (NAIA 1) 69
Wilkes 88, Penn State-Harrisburg (other) 53
Scores from 12/17
Chaminade (D2) 92, Presentation 50
Dana (NAIA 2) 60, Oneonta State 57
DePauw 84, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 63
DeSales 76, Briarcliffe, NY (USCAA) 58
Linfield 75, Walla Walla (NCCAA 1) 71
Maine Maritime 97, Fisher (NAIA 2) 94
Montana State-Northern (NAIA 1) 71, Adrian 63
Navy (D1) 65, Delaware Valley 40
Did anyone see any of these games in person
Many of us have seen games that fall into this category. Why do you ask?
Quote from: David Collinge on December 18, 2006, 04:56:56 PM
Many of us have seen games that fall into this category. Why do you ask?
zonescantstopme likes to ask a lot of questions. Perhaps he's emulating Socrates or maybe he's inspired by Zen. ::)
Score from 12/18
UW-Whitewater 67, Siena Heights (NAIA 2) 47
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 19, 2006, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 18, 2006, 04:56:56 PM
Many of us have seen games that fall into this category. Why do you ask?
zonescantstopme likes to ask a lot of questions. Perhaps he's emulating Socrates or maybe he's inspired by Zen. ::)
If I remember clearly my days teaching Introduction to Philosophy, Socrates commonly knew the answer before he posed the question.
But if we wish to take the Zen path, perhaps we should applaud "zonescant's" efforts using only one hand. ;)
Scores from 12/19
Chapman 81, Hope International (NAIA 1) 52
Northwood (D2) 79, Alma 67
Simon Fraser (other) 82, Oneonta State 62
Western Oregon (D2) 94, Willamette 57
Scores from 12/20
California Baptist (NAIA 1) 94, Wooster 89
Lafayette (D1) 89, King's 80
La Sierra 87, Simpson, CA (NAIA 2) 68
Montclair State 93, Briarcliffe, NY (USCAA) 61
Navy (D1) 83, Washington College 37
Northern Iowa (D1) 83, Wartburg 61
Southwestern Louisiana (D1) 90, Millsaps 67
St. Martin's (D2) 78, George Fox 67
OUCH!
Except perhaps for King's-Lafayette, certainly no games against d1 like Wheaton-Northwestern!
Is King's that good? I thought Lafayette was at least a decent d1 team this year.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 21, 2006, 08:29:25 PM
OUCH!
Except perhaps for King's-Lafayette, certainly no games against d1 like Wheaton-Northwestern!
I believe that those two games were the only single-digit losses against D1 teams so far. Kenyon led Eastern Kentucky by 13 at the half, but ended up losing 63-52. In addition, lower level D1 schools are becoming more cautious when scheduling D3 opponents, which makes it harder for D3 to come up with victories.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 22, 2006, 09:46:17 AM
Is King's that good? I thought Lafayette was at least a decent d1 team this year.
King's is 4-5. Lafayette is 5-7. The Leopards beat Lycoming by 18 earlier in the year. They appear to be an average Patriot League team.
Scores from 12/21
Chaminade (D2) 91, Central 63
Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 88, Thomas More 66
D3 vs.
D1....0-31
D2....6-54
NAIA 1....18-31
NAIA 2....64-49
NCCAA 1....5-5
NCCAA 2....27-4
USCAA....34-17
Other....38-4
(Totals through 12/21)
Score from 12/22
Shippensburg (D2) 72, Neumann 50
Scores from 12/27
Concordia, OR (NAIA 2) 88, Pacific Lutheran 65
Graceland (NAIA 2) 72, Clarke 60
New Paltz State 81, Bethany, CA (NAIA 2) 71
Scores from 12/28
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 80, Ohio Wesleyan 79
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 67, Mary Washington 36
Northern Michigan (D2) 101, UW-Stevens Point 92
North Florida (D2) 70, Skidmore 43
Tampa (D2) 84, Fontbonne 71
University of the Sciences (D2) 64, Chestnut Hill 53
Lebanon Valley 63, Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2, #6) 59
Emmanuel 56 Northwood (NAIA 2) 54
A somewhat surprising score since Emmanuel was one of nine winless Division III teams and Northwood was receiving votes in the NAIA 2 poll.
Scores from 12/29
Bellevue, NE (NAIA 2) 72, Loras 62
Bethany, KS (NAIA 2) 75, Milwaukee Engineering 69
Bethel, KS (NAIA 2) 66, Clarke 63
Bluffton 94, Wright State-Lake (other) 59
Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 73, UC Santa Cruz 57
Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 87, Grove City 82
Hope 69, Trinity Christian (NAIA 2) 53
Indiana-Southeast (NAIA 2) 83, Thiel 59
Lehman 63, Briarcliffe, NY (USCAA) 41
Messiah 73, Geneva (NAIA 2) 60
Millikin 75, West Coast Baptist (other) 57
Minnesota-Mankato (D2) 82, Concordia-Moorhead 54
Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA 2) 101, Hanover 83
Ohio Wesleyan 86, Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 76
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 72, Mass-Dartmouth 63
Westmont (NAIA 1) 77, Thomas More 47
UW-River Falls 110, North Central, MN (NCCAA 2) 66
UW-Stout 59, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 55
UW-Superior 75, Bemidji State (D2) 69
Scores from 12/30
Bethany, KS (NAIA 2) 79, Willamette 64
Bluffton 76, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 74
Cal State Maritime (NAIA 2) 98, UC Santa Cruz 65
Concordia-Austin 89, Incarnate Word (D2) 85
Grove City 87, Wright State-Lake (other) 77 (OT)
Hope 76, Rochester, MI (USCAA) 74
Iowa Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 59, Luther 49
Lewis (D2) 78, Carthage 60
Lubbock Christian (NAIA 1) 87, Sul Ross State 68
Macalester 78, Viterbo 75 (NAIA 2) (OT)
Minnesota-Mankato (D2) 72, Carleton 69
Mississippi College 81, Westmont (NAIA 1) 77
Missouri-St. Louis (D2) 80, Blackburn 68
Northwood (NAIA 2) 79, Mass-Dartmouth 62
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 63, Emmanuel 44
Pacific Lutheran 105, Puget Sound Christian (NCCAA 2) 62
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 56, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 47
Robert Morris (D1) 83, Goucher 38
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 67, Rose-Hulman 49
Sam Houston State (D1) 86, McMurry 55
Stephen F. Austin (D1) 89, Howard Payne 63
Stetson (D1) 85, Skidmore 55
St. Norbert 79, Geneva (NAIA 2) 69
St. Scholastica 93, North Central, MN (NCCAA 2) 73
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76
Transylvania 58, Westminster, UT (NAIA 1) 57
Whitman 79, West Coast Baptist (other) 75
UW-Stout 76, Jamestown (NAIA 2) 68
Wittenberg 78, Indiana-Southeast (NAIA 2) 47
Scores from 12/31
Chaminade (D2) 101, New Paltz State 86
Portland (D1) 74, Lewis and Clark 64
Rockford 52, Westminster, UT (NAIA 1) 51
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 10:38:14 AM
Scores from 12/29
Hope 69, Trinity Christian (NCCAA 1) 53
Trinity Christian is also a member of NAIA-2. The Trolls are in the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference, which has separate NAIA-1 and NAIA-2 divisions.
The "Trolls"?
Yep.
Trinity Christian has lots of pretty coeds and alumnae. It's loads of fun to tease them by calling them "trolls" -- nothing enhances mild flirtation better than when a woman's alma mater has a mortifyingly unflattering nickname. ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:21:43 AM
Yep.
Trinity Christian has lots of pretty coeds and alumnae. It's loads of fun to tease them by calling them "trolls" -- nothing enhances mild flirtation better than when a woman's alma mater has a mortifyingly unflattering nickname. ;)
Perhaps if you called them something less "mortifying," the "mild flirtation" would become something more serious. ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 03:19:50 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 31, 2006, 10:38:14 AM
Scores from 12/29
Hope 69, Trinity Christian (NCCAA 1) 53
Trinity Christian is also a member of NAIA-2. The Trolls are in the Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference, which has separate NAIA-1 and NAIA-2 divisions.
Thanks for the correction. I'll make the change.
Score from 1/1
Lamar (D1) 91, Louisiana College 76
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:21:43 AM
Yep.
Trinity Christian has lots of pretty coeds and alumnae. It's loads of fun to tease them by calling them "trolls" -- nothing enhances mild flirtation better than when a woman's alma mater has a mortifyingly unflattering nickname. ;)
Wow! I cannot think of a similar "pick-up" line ever posted on these boards!
That Gregory Sager is a real "ladies man". ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2007, 09:15:30 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:21:43 AM
Yep.
Trinity Christian has lots of pretty coeds and alumnae. It's loads of fun to tease them by calling them "trolls" -- nothing enhances mild flirtation better than when a woman's alma mater has a mortifyingly unflattering nickname. ;)
Wow! I cannot think of a similar "pick-up" line ever posted on these boards!
That Gregory Sager is a real "ladies man". ;)
Indeed. I can hear him now ... "Hi, troll. Wanna come see my cave-art etchings?"
D3 vs.
D1....1-37
D2....8-64
NAIA 1....21-36
NAIA 2....75-63
NCCAA 1....5-5
NCCAA 2....30-4
USCAA....39-19
Other....40-4
(Totals through 1/1)
Picking up a woman from Trinity Christian is so easy, even a caveman could do it. ;D
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:17:04 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:21:43 AM
Yep.
Trinity Christian has lots of pretty coeds and alumnae. It's loads of fun to tease them by calling them "trolls" -- nothing enhances mild flirtation better than when a woman's alma mater has a mortifyingly unflattering nickname. ;)
Perhaps if you called them something less "mortifying," the "mild flirtation" would become something more serious. ;)
It's called "teasing", Warren. Even I, a bachelor who is probably exceeded in his understanding of the female mind by 95% of the single men in America, know that teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly. ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:17:04 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:21:43 AM
Yep.
Trinity Christian has lots of pretty coeds and alumnae. It's loads of fun to tease them by calling them "trolls" -- nothing enhances mild flirtation better than when a woman's alma mater has a mortifyingly unflattering nickname. ;)
Perhaps if you called them something less "mortifying," the "mild flirtation" would become something more serious. ;)
It's called "teasing", Warren. Even I, a bachelor who is probably exceeded in his understanding of the female mind by 95% of the single men in America, know that teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly. ;)
"Teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly"? Oh my! Greg, I wish you'd have told me that about 45 years ago .... :o
(BTW now I'm
teasing you. ;))
Yes, I know, and so are those two other Hall of Famer guys.
There's a reason why I made comments about the comeliness of TCC women on a board that scrolls very quickly. ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:41:04 PM
teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly. ;)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
(BTW now I'm teasing you. ;))
Hmm... get a room guys?
JK, how's THAT for teasing?
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2007, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:41:04 PM
teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly. ;)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
(BTW now I'm teasing you. ;))
Hmm... get a room guys?
Point:
For a rejoinder, that's pretty weak, worn, and overdone. Surely you can do better. :P
My apologies... I've been out of the loop for about a week (actually, I was in the Loop, staying in the Palmer House in Chicago!), I'm a little rusty... :-\ :)
How about this?
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:41:04 PM
teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly. ;)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
(BTW now I'm teasing you. ;))
You're going to have to work harder than THAT to gain favor with Sager!
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2007, 08:24:53 PM
My apologies... I've been out of the loop for about a week (actually, I was in the Loop, staying in the Palmer House in Chicago!), I'm a little rusty... :-\ :)
How about this?
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:41:04 PM
teasing is a terrifically successful form of flirtation if done properly. ;)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
(BTW now I'm teasing you. ;))
You're going to have to work harder than THAT to gain favor with Sager!
Work harder than what? I'm light-years older than Greg and have absolutely no need to "gain favor" with him -- or anyone else -- nor he with me. We've grown up, you see. :)
The irony, lost long ago, by now, is that Sager said that teasing is "a terrifically seccessful form of flirtation if done properly," to which you responded by teasing him, implying, perhaps, that you were flirting with him.
It was a joke, see?
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2007, 08:39:22 PM
The irony, lost long ago, by now, is that Sager said that teasing is "a terrifically seccessful form of flirtation if done properly," to which you responded by teasing him, implying, perhaps, that you were flirting with him.
It was a joke, see?
See, I saw the whole thing as a joke, as did Greg. In order to avoid any confusion among those who read these posts, perhaps I should have footnoted my response to him. Kindly forgive me. :-[
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
Kindly forgive me.
And me as well!
Getting back on subject... with this weekend's D-3 over D-1 win, has the D-3 winning percentage versus the "big boys" improved in recent years, gotten worse, or stayed about the same? The wins over D-1 squads are always high profile here, but there are relatively few D-1 vs D-3 games (or at least games such as these that are "winable") and the percentage has been so low that the individual games may just be those few one-out-of-100 games where the ball bounces just right for the D-3 team.
Any thoughts?
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2007, 08:52:08 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 02, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
Kindly forgive me.
And me as well!
Getting back on subject... with this weekend's D-3 over D-1 win, has the D-3 winning percentage versus the "big boys" improved in recent years, gotten worse, or stayed about the same? The wins over D-1 squads are always high profile here, but there are relatively few D-1 vs D-3 games (or at least games such as these that are "winable") and the percentage has been so low that the individual games may just be those few one-out-of-100 games where the ball bounces just right for the D-3 team.
Any thoughts?
D3 vs. D1
2002: 1-53
2003: 3-54
2004: 2-61
2005: 2-61
2006: 2-66
2007: 1-37
Scores from 1/2
Emmanuel, GA (NAIA 1) 97, LaGrange 70
Fort Lewis (D2) 78, Colorado College 54
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 82, Texas-Tyler 68
Scores from 1/3
Doane (NAIA 2) 70, Nebraska Wesleyan 61
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 66, Eastern Connecticut 54
FDU-Florham 92, Briarcliffe, NY (USCAA) 61
Houghton (NAIA 2) 83, Fredonia State 76
Kutztown State (D2) 71, Penn State-Berks 34
Lynchburg 95, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 91 (OT)
Medaille 52, Albany Pharmacy (other) 40
MIT 80, Fisher (NAIA 2) 63
New Jersey 70, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 53
Seton Hill (D2) 94, Western Connecticut 70
Shenandoah 68, Davis & Elkins (D2) 65
Warner Southern (NAIA 1) 82, North Carolina Wesleyan 45
Scores from 1/4
Flagler (NAIA 2) 83, North Carolina Wesleyan 73
Indiana-Purdue/Fort Wayne (D1) 107, Anderson 59
Oneonta State 67, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 60
Piedmont 93, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 80
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 73, Caltech 39
Westminster, MO 85, Baptist Bible, MO (NCCAA 2)
Westmont (NAIA 1) 72, Pomona-Pitzer 58
D3 vs.
D1....1-38
D2....9-67
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....77-66
NCCAA 1....6-5
NCCAA 2....32-4
USCAA....41-20
Other....41-4
(Totals through 1/4)
Scores from 1/5
Albright 73, Penn Tech (other) 48
Alice Lloyd (NAIA 2) 73, SUNY-Farmingdale 63
College of the Ozarks (NAIA 2) 67, Goucher 62
Cornell, NY (D1) 80, Ithaca 47
Dubuque 101, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 74
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 67, Husson 34
Life Pacific (other) 75, Bard 47
Minnesota-Morris 94, North Central, MN (NCCAA 2) 76
Scores from 1/6
Brooklyn 76, Berkeley (other) 63
Columbia (D1) 87, Marywood 38
Holy Names (NAIA 2) 97, UC Santa Cruz 62
Lycoming 64, Penn College (other) 49
Mount Marty (NAIA 2) 68, Presentation 66
Northwestern, IA (NAIA 2) 92, Nebraska Wesleyan 78
Occidental 71, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 65
Penn State-DuBois (USCAA) 62, Juniata 61
Redlands 151, Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 120
Scranton 104, Pratt (other) 46
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 88, Greensboro 86
Scores from 1/7
Lebanon Valley 93, Maryland Bible (other) 80
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 83, Maine-Presque Isle 67
Morrisville State 81, Pratt (other) 65
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 74, Thomas 56
Winston-Salem State (D1) 77, Ferrum 56
Scores from 1/8
North Carolina Wesleyan 116, Florida Christian (NCCAA 2) 87
Pillsbury Baptist (NCCAA 2) 77, Crown 64
Valley City State (NAIA 2) 67, Presentation 44
D3 vs.
D1....1-41
D2....9-67
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....78-74
NCCAA 1....6-5
NCCAA 2....35-5
USCAA....42-22
Other....47-5
(Totals through 1/8)
Scores from 1/9
Western State (D2) 60, Colorado College 38
Whitman 101, Walla Walla (NCCAA 1) 63
Scores from 1/10
Geneseo State 75, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 72 (OT)
Lakeland 104, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 65
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 73, Maine-Presque Isle 60
Montclair State 97, Berkeley (other) 55
Mount Ida 89, Fisher (NAIA 2) 83
Nebraska Wesleyan 76, Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 66
Attention fans:
Rhodes Scholar has been elected to the Posting Hall of Fame.
Please make a note of it. :)
Congrats, Rhodes. You amply deserve the honor.
Rhodes... you have make obvious huge contributions to how well we understand DIII's place in the larger scheme of things. Congrats!
Incidentally, consider yourself officially targeted for a meet and greet and cookie drop... :)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2007, 02:54:33 AM
Attention fans:
Rhodes Scholar has been elected to the Posting Hall of Fame.
Please make a note of it. :)
Congrtulations, Rhodes Scholar! :)
Alright. Way to go you two. Well deserved. Enjoy those eight stars.
Congratulations, Rhodes! ;D
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 12, 2007, 09:13:44 AM
Alright. Way to go you two. Well deserved. Enjoy those eight stars.
Stars.... ooh.... pretty.... shiiiinnnyyy.... :D
Congrats to all three new Hall of Fame inductees.
Rhodes, you do an excellent job monitoring the games tracked on this board. As someone who has plumbed the depths of those Maine-Machias and Grace Bible websites for missing scores, I appreciate the work you do. And I'll confess that I've even swiped your scores for our scoreboard on occasion.
Frank, you do a great job providing interesting, candid and on-point insight for football and basketball. You're one of the posters whose posts I read regularly because I know you "aim to please" as you like to say.
And DHF, you typify what makes this site a lot of fun -- a passionate, thoughtful, interesting fan that we can interact with over 100s or 1000s of miles. If there's ever a book about D3sports Message Boards, you'll have to write the forward.
Dave, of course, will do the historical research. :)
Rhodes -
Welcome to the land of eight stars! It is a very deserved honor.
C
Pat, diehardfan, Greg, gordon, David, Ralph, Sac, Coach C and Hoops Fan (hope I didn't leave anyone out): Thanks one and all.
Scores from 1/11
Central Bible (NCCAA 2) 84, North Central, MN 83
Waynesburg 78, Penn State-New Kensington (USCAA) 75
Scores from 1/12
North Central, MN 70, Southeastern (NCCAA 2) 67
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 95, Keuka 59
Scores from 1/13
Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 77, Nebraska Wesleyan 73
Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 83, Mt. St. Joseph 77
North Central, MN 87, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 50
Point Park (NAIA 2) 110, Lincoln 88
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 61, Rochester Tech 54
D3 vs.
D1....1-41
D2....9-68
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....81-79
NCCAA 1....7-5
NCCAA 2.....38-6
USCAA....44-24
Other....47-4
(Totals through 1/14)
Whoa - Clermont strikes again. They must have played horribly against Wabash, or the HCAC isn't that great.
Quote from: smedindy on January 15, 2007, 04:21:46 PM
Whoa - Clermont strikes again. They must have played horribly against Wabash, or the HCAC isn't that great.
Here's Cincinnati-Clermont's results against D3 teams this season:
11/20 | Wilmington | L 61-75 |
11/25 | Hanover | L 70-100 |
11/26 | Centre | L 69-83 |
12/8 | Wabash | L 51-83 |
12/18 | Rose-Hulman | L 60-70 |
12/21 | Thomas More | W 88-66 |
12/29 | Grove City | W 87-82 |
12/30 | Bluffton | L 74-76 |
1/13 | Mount St. Joseph | W 83-77 |
My guess is that Cincinnati-Clermont is a young team that is now beginning to gel in midseason. Both their recent results and their roster (no seniors, only one junior) would seem to bear that out.
The Cougars were in the USCAA national championship game last season, and are 10-0 in their league this season, for whatever that's worth.
They're also trying to get into Division III, so someday they'll be off this list.
Having seen them - they are young - but they didn't seem to have much discipline nor direction.
I'm not disputing your assessment of the Cougars, but Bluffton and Mt. St. Joe are the co-leaders of a historically strong league that collectively went 52-24 in non-conference play this season. So Cincinnati-Clermont must be doing something right.
Links to a couple of articles on the Fisk-TSU basketball game/rivalry last night. Great game in front of a packed crowd and a great college atmosphere with the TSU band playing soo loud that you couldn't hear and the fraternaties stepping around the arena in the upper deck (8,700+ fans attended for the mens' game) but both the Fisk men's and women's teams lost to Tennessee State University.
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070116/SPORTS0604/701160357/1345/SPORTS
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070116/SPORTS0604/701160356/1345/SPORTS
I saw UC-Clermont play two games in the Bluffton Holiday tournament -- beating Grove City and narrowly falling to Bluffton. I agree with smedindy that they are a bit undisciplined, but they have some good shooters and can be dangerous when they get hot. (One of their players came off the bench to hit 3-4 from three-point range against Grove City, and then went 3-5 against Bluffton. I note, though, that his name is no longer on their roster.)
They do have a problem with depth; they only played 7 players against Bluffton. Against GC, they had three starters with 3 fouls each in the first half. Somehow, only one of them fouled out in the second half, while the other two were on the floor for most of the rest of the game--18 and 20 minutes. That made all the difference in the second half. (That, and GC shooting 45.8% from the FT line.)
I haven't seen a box score for the MSJ/UC-Clermont game, so I don't know what factors contributed to that result.
Scores from 1/15
Grove City 68, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 58
Rowan 82, Penn State-Abington (other) 69
Tennessee State (D1) 82, Fisk 52
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2007, 02:30:56 AM
My guess is that Cincinnati-Clermont is a young team that is now beginning to gel in midseason. Both their recent results and their roster (no seniors, only one junior) would seem to bear that out.
The Cougars were in the USCAA national championship game last season, and are 10-0 in their league this season, for whatever that's worth.
I should point out that Clermont's league is the Ohio Regional Campus Conference (ORCC), whose perhaps most (in)famous member is OSU-Marion. Clermont and Marion square off twice in February.
Correction: Penn State-Fayette, Penn State-DuBois and Penn State-New Kensington were all incorrectly classified as "other." They are, in fact, members of the USCAA. I have changed their classification on the scoreboard and updated the totals accordingly.
The games in question:
11/25 Carnegie Mellon 125, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 51
1/6 Penn State-DuBois (USCAA) 62, Juniata 61
1/11 Waynesburg 78, Penn State-New Kensington (USCAA) 75
Scores from 1/16
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 73, Nebraska Wesleyan 58
Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 69, University of Dallas 62
Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 73, Crown 58
Scores from 1/17
La Sierra 84, Southwestern, AZ (NCCAA 2) 65
Maryland-Eastern Shore (D1) 88, Shenandoah 64
Philander Smith (USCAA) 86, Rust 62
Scores from 1/18
Finlandia 80, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 76
Fisher (NAIA 2) 81, Westfield State 65
La Sierra 94, West Coast Baptist (other) 75
Piedmont 98, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 65
VMI (D1) 125, Bridgewater, VA 95
Scores from 1/19
North Central, MN 88, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 50
Waynesburg 88, Franciscan-Steubenville (other) 70
Score from 1/20
Dordt (NAIA 2) 83, Nebraska Wesleyan 71
Everytime I see Dordt I wonder if the Swedish Chef is coaching them...
Bork! Bork! Bork!
Quote from: smedindy on January 21, 2007, 11:34:50 PM
Everytime I see Dordt I wonder if the Swedish Chef is coaching them...
Bork! Bork! Bork!
It's actually a Christian Reformed Church school, like Calvin, and like Calvin it's as Dutch-American as a school can possibly be. The school is named after the Canons of Dordt, one of the more important theological documents of the Reformed tradition.
I am sure that I have seen the Swedish Chef use a Dutch Oven. :)
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....9-68
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....81-82
NCCAA 1....7-5
NCCAA 2....42-8
USCAA....47-24
Other....49-4
(Totals through 1/21)
Score from 1/22
Oakwood (other) 81, Rust 80
Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 68, Thiel 56
Quote from: smedindy on January 21, 2007, 11:34:50 PM
Everytime I see Dordt I wonder if the Swedish Chef is coaching them...
Bork! Bork! Bork!
Maybe I missed something, but what does the failed Supreme Court appointee have to do with this?
Scores from 1/23
Colorado-Colorado Springs (D2) 94, Colorado College 69
Fisk 96, Philander Smith (USCAA) 86
Greensboro 83, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 60
Presentation 93, Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 75
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 08, 2007, 02:22:53 PM
Scores from 1/7
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 74, Thomas 56
After reading this I checked this schools schedule out and see some interesting things which make me wonder why some schools do not compete in the NCAA officially...if anyone can offer insight im open to it...here are the things im talking about:
St Joseph's Brooklyn:
Lost to Hunter by 4, if i remember correctly someone on posting up said they had Hunter on the ropes until late in the game, and St Joseph's controlled the game most of the way.
Lost to Kings Point in a close one (someone reported on that in posting up as well)
Smashed USCAA Briarcliff, 2 wins on the season against them
Beat NAIA College of Saint Joseph Vermont.
Beat NCAA Thomas College and Pratt Institute.
On their schedule coming up are CUNY Brooklyn and CSI.
Their website DOES say they have been playing minus their starting center (who is only 6 foot 4) but like i said...any insight into this program? They have obviously peaked my interest this season.
Score from 1/24
Hastings (NAIA 2) 65, Nebraska Wesleyan 55
Score from 1/25
Rust 100, Knoxville (other) 66
Scores from 1/26
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 96, Concordia, WI 59
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 66, Concordia, IL 47
Quote from: sixfour on January 25, 2007, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 08, 2007, 02:22:53 PM
Scores from 1/7
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 74, Thomas 56
After reading this I checked this schools schedule out and see some interesting things which make me wonder why some schools do not compete in the NCAA officially...if anyone can offer insight im open to it...here are the things im talking about:
St Joseph's Brooklyn:
They are trying to join the NCAA and enter the provisional membership process next season.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2007, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: sixfour on January 25, 2007, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 08, 2007, 02:22:53 PM
Scores from 1/7
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 74, Thomas 56
After reading this I checked this schools schedule out and see some interesting things which make me wonder why some schools do not compete in the NCAA officially...if anyone can offer insight im open to it...here are the things im talking about:
St Joseph's Brooklyn:
They are trying to join the NCAA and enter the provisional membership process next season.
Thanks Pat!
someone had already mentioned that i believe....however i waslooking for some insight into this team if anyone had some....i see they have 2 cuny matchups against Brooklyn College and perrenial power CSI coming up and a contest against Polytechnic also, I will be watching for their scores.
What do you think of their chances in the NCAA and will they be in a conference???
Thanks!
Quote from: sixfour on January 28, 2007, 01:21:40 PM
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What do you think of their chances in the NCAA and will they be in a conference???
Thanks!
sixfour, I would flip the question back to you and ask what does St Joseph's Brooklyn have that a conference would want. Do they bring sports other than basketball that strengthen a conference such as the Skyline or the North East AC? Would they be any type of fit for the CUNYAC? What do the St Joseph's women bring to the table? :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:34:52 PMWould they be any type of fit for the CUNYAC?
Probably not, because it's not a CUNY (City University of New York) school. The CUNYAC schools are all public institutions owned and operated by New York City. St. Joe's of Brooklyn is a private school.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:34:52 PM
Quote from: sixfour on January 28, 2007, 01:21:40 PM
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What do you think of their chances in the NCAA and will they be in a conference???
Thanks!
sixfour, I would flip the question back to you and ask what does St Joseph's Brooklyn have that a conference would want. Do they bring sports other than basketball that strengthen a conference such as the Skyline or the North East AC? Would they be any type of fit for the CUNYAC? What do the St Joseph's women bring to the table? :)
i dont know any of these answers which is why i asked :) i dont know if they are slated for a conference or not, and if they arent i would wonder why not, since they are obviously competitive with the teams in the region. In my opinion thaqt is what a conference would want.
As far as the womens programs, i am sure there are ways to find out.
St Joseph's Brooklyn (http://www.sjcny.edu/bears.php) needs to add four men's sports and one women's sport to field the full complement of 5 and 5, altho' they say they field 7 Intercollegiate Sports on the web site.
Scores from 1/27
Fisk 70, Oakwood (other) 69
LaGrange 84, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 70
La Sierra 72, West Coast Baptist (other) 67
Mount Marty (NAIA 2) 68, Nebraska Wesleyan 65
Piedmont 98, Southeastern (NCCAA 2) 69
Scores from 1/28
Albany Pharmacy (other) 79, Keuka 78
Lyndon State 91, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 54
Here's another from 1/25...
Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 65 Maine-Presque Isle 53
If only Fisk or Rust would post a score...
Quote from: gordonmann on January 29, 2007, 10:10:48 PM
Here's another from 1/25...
Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 65 Maine-Presque Isle 53
If only Fisk or Rust would post a score...
...it would make my task a bit easier.
Scores from 1/29
UDC (D2) 75, Lincoln 70
Gallaudet 53, Christendom (USCAA) 37
George Fox 73, Northwest Christian (NAIA 2) 68
Lake Erie 97, Franciscan (other) 72
Penn State-Altoona 88, Washington Bible College (NCCAA 2) 36
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....9-70
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....83-87
NCCAA 1....8-5
NCCAA 2....45-8
USCAA....51-26
Other....52-6
(Totals* through 1/29)
*Three missing scores will be added later when they become available.
Scores from 1/30
Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 56, Huntingdon 53
Brooklyn 75, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 68
Central Arkansas (D2) 75, University of the Ozarks 58
Doane (NAIA 2) 72, Nebraska Wesleyan 62
La Sierra 73, Life Pacific (other) 52
Piedmont 117, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA 2) 74
What scores are you missing??
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2007, 12:04:49 PM
What scores are you missing??
I'm missing more than I originally thought. Here's the list:
1/17 Rust vs. Philander Smith
1/25 Rust vs. Knoxville
1/26 Fisk vs. Concordia-Selma
1/27 Fisk vs. Oakwood
1/27 La Sierra vs. West Coast Baptist
1/30 La Sierra vs. Life Pacific
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 31, 2007, 12:27:36 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2007, 12:04:49 PM
What scores are you missing??
1/27 La Sierra vs. West Coast Baptist
1/30 La Sierra vs. Life Pacific
1/27 La Sierra 72 vs. West Coast Baptist 67
1/30 La Sierra vs. Life Pacific - still not reported.
According to the school web site
http://www.lasierra.edu/departments/athletics/mbasketball/schedule.html
Is that grey fox in the picture dead?
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 03:53:44 PM
Is that grey fox in the picture dead?
Just relaxing (I hope). ;D
Gray Fox: Thanks for the score. I added it to the list of scores of 1/27 and I edited the latest totals.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 03:53:44 PM
Is that grey fox in the picture dead?
It's pining for the fjords.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2007, 03:30:51 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 31, 2007, 03:53:44 PM
Is that grey fox in the picture dead?
It's pining for the fjords.
That was quality there. Finally a Monty Python reference
not from one of the movies. A true fan.
It's waiting for Icelandic Honey week!
Even if it is dead, Mr. Neutron could probably jolt it back to life.
I decided to use a picture that is more PC (PETA cooperative, politically correct, not Pat Coleman). :-[
How long have you been doing a local radio show in Wooster, OH? ???
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegrayfoxandtheboomer.com%2F_borders%2FGRAYFOX.jpg&hash=b51b29ac47d2d06972e97000f1319d24c7690ec3) (http://www.thegrayfoxandtheboomer.com/)
Sorry Rhodes, it seems that no one that Fisk or Rust plays likes to post scores, either.
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2007, 07:10:54 PM
Sorry Rhodes, it seems that no one that Fisk or Rust plays likes to post scores, either.
Thanks for the effort. If the scores don't turn up, I'll attempt to contact the schools via e-mail. Don't know if that'll help, but it's worth a try.
P.S. I'm assuming last night's Rust vs. Fisk game won't be too easy to track down either.
Scores from 1/31
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 87, Maine-Presque Isle 85
Winona State (D2) 79, Clarke 52
If Rust plays Fisk, and no one is there to report it, did it really happen?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 31, 2007, 12:27:36 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2007, 12:04:49 PM
What scores are you missing??
I'm missing more than I originally thought. Here's the list:
1/26 Fisk vs. Concordia-Selma
This game does not appear on Concordia-Selma's schedule, as published on their web site:
http://www.faithwebsites.com/concordiaselma/newsfile4386_9.pdf (note that it is a PDF file)
I also can't find anything about it in the Selma Times-Journal archives, and they do seem to cover Concordia sports from time to time.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 01, 2007, 10:37:37 AM
Even if it is dead, Mr. Neutron could probably jolt it back to life.
And if it was from the zoo, it'd have "Property of the Zoo" stamped upon it.
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2007, 10:00:20 PM
If Rust plays Fisk, and no one is there to report it, did it really happen?
If Rust played Fisk and a tree fell onto the court, would anyone hear it?
Quote from: David Collinge on February 02, 2007, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 31, 2007, 12:27:36 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2007, 12:04:49 PM
What scores are you missing??
I'm missing more than I originally thought. Here's the list:
1/26 Fisk vs. Concordia-Selma
This game does not appear on Concordia-Selma's schedule, as published on their web site:
http://www.faithwebsites.com/concordiaselma/newsfile4386_9.pdf (note that it is a PDF file)
I also can't find anything about it in the Selma Times-Journal archives, and they do seem to cover Concordia sports from time to time.
Thanks for going the extra mile. Maybe, in this instance, there never was a game to report. :)
Correction: Vermont Tech was incorrectly classified as USCAA. The school has dual membership in the USCAA and the NAIA. They are first-year members of the Sunrise Conference in division two of the NAIA. I am reclassifying them as NAIA 2.
Game in question: Vermont Tech (NAIA 2), Johnson State 77 (11/29)
Unfortunately another loss to an NAIA 2 school.
Totals will be edited to reflect change.
Scores from 2/1
Brooklyn 83, St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 74
King (NAIA 2) 71, Maryville, TN 64
Rowan 76, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2)
Vermont Tech (NAIA 2) 78, Green Mountain 66
Speaking of Vermont Tech. Anyone get a score from their game against Green Mountain yet?
They lost again, 78-66.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 02, 2007, 09:04:38 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 01, 2007, 10:00:20 PM
If Rust plays Fisk, and no one is there to report it, did it really happen?
If Rust played Fisk and a tree fell onto the court, would anyone hear it?
:D :D :D K+ for that one!
Score from 2/2
Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 82, North Central, MN 75
Scores from 2/3
Chapman 69, West Coast Baptist (other) 54
Colorado College 104, Johnson & Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 93
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 74, Nebraska Wesleyan 53
Eastern 79, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 66
LeMoyne-Owen (D2) 89, Rust 73
Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 89, Maine-Presque Isle 86 (OT)
Milwaukee Engineering 69, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 55
Scores from 2/4
Albany Pharmacy (other) 70, Green Mountain 46
Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 91, Lyndon State 78
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....9-73
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....84-93
NCCAA 1....8-5
NCCAA 2....48-9
USCAA....53-27
Other....55-8
(Totals through 2/4)
Scores from 2/5
Clarke 88, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 83
Lincoln 89, Penn State-Abington (other) 75
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 102, Mount Aloysius 88
Scores from 2/6
Green Mountain 85, Word of Life (other) 63
La Sierra 88, Life Pacific (other) 68
Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 88, Maranatha Baptist 76
St. Joseph's, ME 72, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 67 (OT)
What is GReen Mountain doing to me? Originally they had that game as a loss on their website, but they've changed it now.
Scores from 2/7
Defiance 65, Marygrove (USCAA) 50
Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 82, Nebraska Wesleyan 69
Nebraska Wesleyan is 2-14 vs. NAIA 2 opponents this year.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 08, 2007, 03:16:55 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan is 2-14 vs. NAIA 2 opponents this year.
It seems Nebraska Wesleyan is having a down year ....
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 08, 2007, 03:16:55 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan is 2-14 vs. NAIA 2 opponents this year.
It seems Nebraska Wesleyan is having a down year ....
Absolutely. The Prairie Wolves are 5-18 this year. Although Neb Wes has had great success in the past, they have been rather mediocre for the last five or six years. I have no idea why.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 08, 2007, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 08, 2007, 03:16:55 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan is 2-14 vs. NAIA 2 opponents this year.
It seems Nebraska Wesleyan is having a down year ....
Absolutely. The Prairie Wolves are 5-18 this year. Although Neb Wes has had great success in the past, they have been rather mediocre for the last five or six years. I have no idea why.
Yes, NW's lack of success this season is puzzling.
There's a similar conundrum in the Middle Atlantic region: Franklin & Marshall is at this very moment 7-15 and guaranteed a losing season. Very untypical for GRob's people. Many wish to blame him, but that just can't be the whole story, especially given his overall success with the program. (I forget how many times he's taken the Dips to the Final Four.)
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 08, 2007, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2007, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 08, 2007, 03:16:55 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan is 2-14 vs. NAIA 2 opponents this year.
It seems Nebraska Wesleyan is having a down year ....
Absolutely. The Prairie Wolves are 5-18 this year. Although Neb Wes has had great success in the past, they have been rather mediocre for the last five or six years. I have no idea why.
It would seem that NWU has not been able to adequately replace Todd Raridon (now at North Central) as head coach. He left after the 2003-04 season, and it's been downhill for the Wolves ever since.
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 08, 2007, 05:11:26 PMThere's a similar conundrum in the Middle Atlantic region: Franklin & Marshall is at this very moment 7-15 and guaranteed a losing season. Very untypical for GRob's people. Many wish to blame him, but that just can't be the whole story, especially given his overall success with the program. (I forget how many times he's taken the Dips to the Final Four.)
Four (1979, 1991, 1996, and 2000).
Four it is, Greg. Thanks.
Happy 2000th, WT!
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2007, 08:09:36 AM
Happy 2000th, WT!
Wow! What's my prize? A fur-lined cuspidor? A lifetime supply of Bilgewater Beverages? ;)
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 09, 2007, 08:11:01 AM
Wow! What's my prize? A fur-lined cuspidor? A lifetime supply of Bilgewater Beverages? ;)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2007, 08:13:27 AM
That's April's department, not mine. I don't bake. ;)
Ewwwww....
I can just smell a
baking fur-lined cuspidor.
Ewwwww.... :P :P :P
Congratulations all the same, WT... :)
Scores from 2/8
Daniel Webster 86, Hampshire (other) 30
Rust 77, Philander Smith (USCAA) 64
Did you guys see we caught up on Fisk and Rust scores?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 09, 2007, 02:11:18 PM
Daniel Webster 86, Hampshire (other) 30
Does this bring to mind those ridiculous Jimmy Fallon-Horation Sanz sketches from SNL for anyone else?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:58:12 PM
Did you guys see we caught up on Fisk and Rust scores?
I did, and I wondered where they came from. Are you claiming credit? :)
Someone on the South committee fed them to us.
Hampshire must be really horrid if Danny Webster can beat 'em by over fitty. Of course, they have co-ed Ultimate Frisbee. Dude....
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:58:12 PM
Did you guys see we caught up on Fisk and Rust scores?
That's good news. I was about to send out some homing pigeons. :D
Correction: Life Pacific was incorrectly classified as NCCAA 2. They are no longer members of the NCCAA, and are now in the ACCA. I am reclassifying them as "other." Five games were affected.
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....9-73
NAIA 1....21-40
NAIA 2....85-95
NCCAA 1....8-5
NCCAA 2....48-11
USCAA....47-25
Other....68-10
(Totals through 2/9)
Scores from 2/10
Dordt (NAIA 2) 89, North Central, MN 67
Johnson & Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 79, Colorado College 53
Lincoln 83, Newport News (USCAA) 78
Nebraska Wesleyan 87, Dana (NAIA 2) 71
Oakwood (other) 69, Rust 59
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 65, Huntingdon 58
Score from 2/11
Fisher (NAIA 2) 90, Maine-Presque Isle 76
Scores from 2/12
Chapman 69, Hawaii Pacific (D2) 67
Mount Aloysius 91, Franciscan (other) 78
Scores from 2/13
Chapman 81, West Coast Baptist (other) 63
Clarke 100, Emmaus Bible (NCCAA 2) 48
Northland 74, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 73
Northwest Christian (NAIA 2) 64, Pacific 61
Staten Island 88, St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 72
Correction: West Coast Baptist was incorrectly classified as USCAA. They are no longer members of that alliance. They are members of the ACCA and will be classified as "other." Eleven games were affected and the totals through 2/9 were changed.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 13, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
Chapman 69, Hawaii Pacific (D2) 67
So Hawaii Pacific as opposed to Hawaii Atlantic? That one seems a bit redundant.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 15, 2007, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 13, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
Chapman 69, Hawaii Pacific (D2) 67
So Hawaii Pacific as opposed to Hawaii Atlantic? That one seems a bit redundant.
Hawaii Pacific beat the snot out of Hawaii Arctic, who's been hot and cold all season.
Well, then there's Florida Atlantic - so perhaps they could play Hawaii Pacific in a grudge match for total control of the seas?
Maybe they can stage a rivalry game between Hawaii Pacific and Hawaii Also Pacific
That was more the joke I was looking for.
My favorite school in this vein is Fresno Pacific University, which is an NAIA school. Someone forgot to tell the school's founders that Fresno is 150 miles from the beach.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2007, 05:16:21 AM
My favorite school in this vein is Fresno Pacific University, which is an NAIA school. Someone forgot to tell the school's founders that Fresno is 150 miles from the beach.
There's a similar thing with railroads formed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. E.g., neither the Missouri Pacific nor the Texas & Pacific ever laid track anywhere near a locale suitable for beach volleyball..
Quote from: smedindy on February 15, 2007, 10:39:38 AM
Well, then there's Florida Atlantic - so perhaps they could play Hawaii Pacific in a grudge match for total control of the seas?
Is Indiana near the Indian Ocean? ???
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 16, 2007, 06:59:20 AM
the Missouri Pacific nor the Texas & Pacific ever laid track anywhere near a locale suitable for beach volleyball..
There's a nice (see: not too overgrown by crabgrass) patch of sand with a net down near UMKC. You could play beach Volleyball there, well if it's not still 2 degrees.
Ralph - If you control the Atlantic and the Pacific, I don't think the Indian or the Arctic will give you much resistance.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2007, 05:16:21 AM
My favorite school in this vein is Fresno Pacific University, which is an NAIA school. Someone forgot to tell the school's founders that Fresno is 150 miles from the beach.
But the students there are so calm and peaceful...
Rhodes:
For some reason, I seem to recall you live near the NYC area. Any chance you're coming to the Ramapo/NJCU game?
If you are, please swing by and say hello. I'll be the broadcaster with the Detroit Tigers hat on.
Quote from: gordonmann on February 16, 2007, 01:55:04 PM
Rhodes:
For some reason, I seem to recall you live near the NYC area. Any chance you're coming to the Ramapo/NJCU game?
If you are, please swing by and say hello. I'll be the broadcaster with the Detroit Tigers hat on.
Yes, I live in Manhattan. If the game was in Jersey City I would go, but there's no way I can make it up to Ramapo tomorrow. However, I'll make sure to drop by the next time we're at the same game.
Cool.
You headed to the CUNYAC games?
Quote from: gordonmann on February 16, 2007, 10:21:01 PM
Cool.
You headed to the CUNYAC games?
I should be at CCNY for at least two games on Sunday. And probably the semifinals as well.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2007, 05:16:21 AM
My favorite school in this vein is Fresno Pacific University, which is an NAIA school. Someone forgot to tell the school's founders that Fresno is 150 miles from the beach.
And has serious water shortages thanks to dairy farming, among other issues. :D
Scores from 2/14
Greenville 90, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 80
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 95, LeTourneau 81
Millsaps 86, Wesley, MS (NCCAA 2) 71
Scores from 2/15
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 86, Polytechnic 69
Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 65, Maryville, TN 64
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 16, 2007, 10:51:16 PM
Scores from 2/15
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 86, Polytechnic 69
Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 65, Maryville, TN 64
:owow ....whats going on at polytechnic?
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....87-100
NCCAA 1....8-6
NCCAA 2....51-11
USCAA....49-26
Other....70-11
(Totals through 2/15)
We are sorta having a bad year against the NAIA, huh?
Quote from: diehardfan on February 17, 2007, 12:51:52 AM
We are sorta having a bad year against the NAIA, huh?
April, you beat me to it!
Rhodes Scholar, do you have previous years' results? I though we usually had rough parity with NAIA 1 and a sizeable margin over NAIA 2, though I may be misremembering.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 28, 2005, 04:30:05 PM
D3 vs.
D1....2-61
D2....10-47
NAIA 1....16-22
NAIA 2....67-70
NCCAA....37-7
USCAA....68-7
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 07, 2006, 05:09:28 PM
Totals through regular season*
D3 vs.
D1...2-66
D2...22-68
NAIA 1...22-31
NAIA 2...119-118
NCCAA...72-9
USCAA...75-18
Other...37-2
*Subject to revision. There are missing scores, but far fewer than those of previous years.
You are misremembering, but we usually do better than we're doing. Rhodes Scholar, I am curious as to what you think the reason for that is... ???
Quote from: diehardfan on February 17, 2007, 01:49:57 AM
You are misremembering, but we usually do better than we're doing. Rhodes Scholar, I am curious as to what you think the reason for that is... ???
I really don't have any great insight on this matter. Perhaps the scheduling favored D3 in previous years and now favors NAIA 2. The data is there for some kind of analysis to answer your question, but I haven't gone that far. Maybe I'll do it down the road. I do know that last year's totals and this year's totals are 100% complete. I tracked down every score of every game that was listed on the scoreboard. In previous years I let a fair amount of scores (maybe 20%) remain unrecorded.
Judging by the NAIA games that I've seen in recent years (almost all of them on tape), the top NAIA 2 teams were more or less comparable to their D3 counterparts, while the top NAIA 1 teams appeared to be slightly better than the top teams in D3.
Scores from 2/16
Baptist Bible 89, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 68
Lincoln Christian 78, Emmaus Bible (NCCAA 2) 42
Mount St. Joseph 88, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 74
Piedmont 114, Southeastern Bible (NCCAA 2) 83
Rust 82, Knoxville (other) 81
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 17, 2007, 02:24:36 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 17, 2007, 01:49:57 AM
You are misremembering, but we usually do better than we're doing. Rhodes Scholar, I am curious as to what you think the reason for that is... ???
I really don't have any great insight on this matter. Perhaps the scheduling favored D3 in previous years and now favors NAIA 2. The data is there for some kind of analysis to answer your question, but I haven't gone that far. Maybe I'll do it down the road. I do know that last year's totals and this year's totals are 100% complete. I tracked down every score of every game that was listed on the scoreboard. In previous years I let a fair amount of scores (maybe 20%) remain unrecorded.
Judging by the NAIA games that I've seen in recent years (almost all of them on tape), the top NAIA 2 teams were more or less comparable to their D3 counterparts, while the top NAIA 1 teams appeared to be slightly better than the top teams in D3.
I think that the major reason for D3's slippage against other small-school collectives, NAIA-2 in particular, is geographical. Isolated D3 teams (e.g., the Maine state institutions, Nebraska Wesleyan, Minnesota-Morris, Finlandia, Colorado College, etc.) tend to be D3's spear-carriers in most of the inter-organizational contests that Rhodes records here. Coincidentally or non-coincidentally, those isolated D3 teams tend to have disproportionally bad records, not just against non-D3 opponents but against D3 opponents as well. In other words, I don't think that we're exactly putting up the cream of our crop against the likes of the NAIA, USCAA, NCCAA, in a large proportion of these games.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2007, 05:02:49 AM
I think that the major reason for D3's slippage against other small-school collectives, NAIA-2 in particular, is geographical. Isolated D3 teams (e.g., the Maine state institutions, Nebraska Wesleyan, Minnesota-Morris, Finlandia, Colorado College, etc.) tend to be D3's spear-carriers in most of the inter-organizational contests that Rhodes records here. Coincidentally or non-coincidentally, those isolated D3 teams tend to have disproportionally bad records, not just against non-D3 opponents but against D3 opponents as well. In other words, I don't think that we're exactly putting up the cream of our crop against the likes of the NAIA, USCAA, NCCAA, in a large proportion of these games.
You may or may not be on to something. I can't really say at this point because I've only recorded the results; I haven't analyzed them. It is true that the D3s in Maine are not top-notch teams, but their NAIA 2 opponents are in the Sunrise Conference, which is probably one of the weakest NAIA 2 conferences in the country. So in that instance, at least, weak D3s are facing weak NAIA 2s, which actually is a fairly good barometer of the relative strength of the two organizations.
Scores from 2/17
University of Dallas 84, Johnson & Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 77
Finlandia 84, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 73
LaGrange 97, Carver Bible (NCCAA 2) 93
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 66, Maine-Presque Isle 60
Nebraska Wesleyan 78, Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 66
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 83, Piedmont 75
St. Joseph's, ME 99, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 82
Wesley, MS (NCCAA 2) 73, Huntingdon 58
The NCAA rules that are pusing teams to play more in-region games may be a factor, also. This year, there are 249 results against NAIA-1 and -2. Last year there were 290. This may not be a significant difference, but are teams trying to schedule more NCAA D3 (in-region) games at the expense of games against non-NCAA schools?
Sometimes, I think games against NAIA schools (and others) may be games that one schedules because they can get no other team, or some other team drops out unexpectedly from a tourney or a scheduled game.
Score from 2/20
Lincoln 91, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 75
Score from 2/21
Lyndon State 86, New Hampshire Tech (USCAA) 82 (OT)
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....90-101
NCCAA 1....8-7
NCCAA 2....56-12
USCAA....51-26
Other....72-11
(Totals through 2/23)
Final totals for 2006-07 season
Well after years of Being a Division III - ite, I am taking grad classes at a Division II school (Nova Southeastern University)!
No Football, but they do have basketball, and will be playing a D-3 school this year here in Florida. They play Lawrence of Wisconsin (Who I think I remember was pretty good 2 years ago) on December 17th .
What style does Lawrence play? I see that they are in the same conference as Grinell..
Quote from: pg04 on October 23, 2007, 01:53:44 AM
Well after years of Being a Division III - ite, I am taking grad classes at a Division II school (Nova Southeastern University)!
No Football, but they do have basketball, and will be playing a D-3 school this year here in Florida. They play Lawrence of Wisconsin (Who I think I remember was pretty good 2 years ago) on December 17th .
What style does Lawrence play? I see that they are in the same conference as Grinell..
Lawrence doesn't play a style that's anything like Grinnell's unorthodox style, if that's what you're asking. Lawrence has a new head coach this year, so it remains to be seen what sort of offense he's going to institute. But don't hold your breath that it's going to be the uptempo, mass-substitution "mice tumbling out of a shoebox" mode preferred by Grinnell coach Dave Arseneault.
West Region Independent Nebraska Wesleyan University will be playing against cross town rival University of Nebraska next Friday (Nov. 2) in an Exhibition game. The game is scheduled to begin at 7:00 pm CST. Nebraska will try to highlight 6-11 pre-season all-american Aleks Maric. Wesleyan has 12 returning letterman on their roster. The two teams have not matched up since the 1920's. Go to NWUSPORTS.COM for more information
Both Hope and Albion will be playing U of Detroit-Mercy a D-1 Horizon League team in pre-season exhibitions. Albion plays Nov. 2 and Hope plays Nov. 6.
This evening Western Michigan University (ranked #23 in the collegeinsider.com mid-major poll) hosted Tri-State of the MIAA (picked third in the pre-season conference coach's poll) in Kalamazoo, MI.
WMU 94
Tri-State 54
About what you'd expect from this sort of game.
Quote from: DCHopeNut on October 26, 2007, 06:10:17 PM
Both Hope and Albion will be playing U of Detroit-Mercy a D-1 Horizon League team in pre-season exhibitions. Albion plays Nov. 2 and Hope plays Nov. 6.
So when did they go back to being Detroit Mercy? I know the school has been Detroit Mercy, but they were just known as the U. of Detroit in NCAA-land, except for a while when they tried to get Detroit Mercy to catch on. It sounds like a hospital, not a university!
PS - They have a fencing team!
It's the product of a merger (annexation?) of U of D and Mercy College (a Catholic women's college that was facing tough economic times). Formally, it is UDM; many people still refer to it just as Detroit.
Nebraska Wesleyan played the University of Nebraska to a 30-30 halftime tie at the Bob Devaney Sports Center on Friday night. However, the Huskers took control in the second half and won 70-50 in the first varsity men's basketball meeting between the two schools since 1923. The Prairie Wolves were led by sophomore Ryan Thramer, who had a double-double, with 14 points and 10 rebounds
In case anyone missed it in "Notables (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php)," Rhode Island College nipped D1 Holy Cross 61-60 in an exhibition Thursday. Story link (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1834).
I know this is a DIII site, but it's pretty interesting to note that in an exhibition game last night, DII Grand Valley beat DI Michigan State (preseason #8) in double overtime
Albion 48
UDM (U Detroit-Mercy) 57
Albion played UDM close. Hope will travel to play UDM on Tuesday night and consider Albion kept it close I think Hope should be able to give UDM a run.
Sticking to Michigan college basketball the fact Grand Valley beat Michigan State last night really is incredible. What's with Michigan universities losing to lower tier teams? Can you say App. State?!? ;D
Wow, I missed that about RIC. Either Holy Cross used it as an exhibition and played everyone a bit (they used 11 players and except for their point guard no one logged a lot of minutes), they took RIC too lightly, or HC isn't that good (and RIC IS good, we know that).
Last year, Iona went 2-28 in the regular season - only beating Rider and Delaware. Jeff Ruland lost his job over that season, which was surprising since he was an Iona grad and led them to the NCAA the year before. I bet that doesn't happen to Holy Cross.
St. John Fisher 59
Waterloo University 51 - D1 Canadian school
Waterloo is a D-I Canadian University - They play in the top Ontario University league which has teams that are competitive with mid-majors. Carleton, who is in their league just played Louisville in Freedom Hall. Yes they arnt D1 U.S. team but nevertheless considered D1 in Canada. Waterloo played and lost to Duquense U.S D1 earlier in the year.
Quote from: FisherDynasty on November 03, 2007, 06:32:09 PM
St. John Fisher 59
Waterloo University 51 - D1 Canadian school
Waterloo is a D-I Canadian University - They play in the top Ontario University league which has teams that are competitive with mid-majors. Carleton, who is in their league just played Louisville in Freedom Hall. Yes they arnt D1 U.S. team but nevertheless considered D1 in Canada. Waterloo played and lost to Duquense U.S D1 earlier in the year.
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but I checked the Wolfe Ratings (since he rates US and Canadian teams) and Waterloo was ranked 990. That's around where teams like Roger Williams and Albright are ranked.
http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cbasketball/ratings.htm
The highest ranked Canadian team was Carleton, at 333, which is around where the dregs of D-1 (lots of SWAC and Northeast teams in that neighborhood) and decent D-2 teams are located.
Not bursting the bubble, Canadian teams are usually awful. Everyyear one comes into the gym and gets beat by about 50 by Fisher. Just stating they were D1 and play a competitive schedule.
Again, D1 Canadian = Mid D2 / High D3 / NAIA. No reason to expect Fisher not to win.
November 15 Morehouse (D2) 95 Fisk 59
Not sure if Fisk is to make it into these listings - I see Pat has excluded them in the Southern Region, but I think they are still officially D3, though they only play several D3 games. Also, with the Nov 15 date, this may be an exhibition game if Fisk is D3... Anybody know for sure????
FISK is still a NCAA Division III school. Pat (in his wisdom) has decided not to follow FISK this year apparently because FISK is only playing 4 D3 games this season. It may not be worth his time nor effort.
That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule".
Thanks for the question...
Wilburt - is it an official game for Fisk? or an exhibition?
Don't know, but my guess was it was an exhibition.
According to the Morehouse site, it was the season opener:
http://www.morehouse.edu/athletics/basketball/archives/001227.html
I believe however, that what can be a real game for a D1 or D2 team can still be an exhibition for the D3 team dependent on the date played -
Ah, yeah. Makes sense, kinda...
Quote from: wilburt on November 16, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule".
Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.
Additions and corrections are welcome.
Scores from 11/16
Albion 85, Rochester, MI (USCAA) 40
Belhaven (NAIA 1) 79, East Texas Baptist 68
Bethany Lutheran 100, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 93
Calvin 92, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 65
Clarkson 69, Albany Pharmacy (other) 48
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 61, Hope International (NAIA 1) 58
Coast Guard 73, California Maritime (NAIA 2) 62
Crown 80, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 74
DePauw 89, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 66
Dubuque 75, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 54
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 87, Pacific 49
Hendrix 90, Rhema Bible (USCAA) 77
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 80, Texas Lutheran 76
La Roche 76, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 69
Lewis & Clark 75, Northwest (NAIA 2) 67
Linfield 81, Holy Names (NAIA 2) 79
Malone (NAIA 2) 85, Grove City 61
Manchester 79, Taylor-Fort Wayne (USCAA) 69
Mary Washington 97, Penn College (other) 31
Misericordia 73, Penn State-Hazleton (other) 50
Mississippi College 83, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 57
Mt. St. Mary 75, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 69
Neumann 79, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 72
North Central, IL 81, World Harvest Bible (other) 52
Northland 82, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 75
Northwestern State (D1) 93, University of the Ozarks 78
Occidental 71, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 63
Puget Sound 124, Corban College (NAIA 2) 95
St. Mary's, TX (D2) 95, Schreiner 46
St. Vincent 105, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 61
SUNYIT 108, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 93
Texas-Permian Basin (D2) 108, Howard Payne 54
Thomas 91, Fisher (NAIA 2) 76
University of New England 102, Unity (USCAA) 35
Utica 99, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 56
Virginia Wesleyan 74, Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 70
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 85, La Verne 69
Washington & Jefferson 70, Penn State-Dubois (USCAA) 56
Widener 67, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 64
William Penn (NAIA 2) 85, Fontbonne 67
Williamette 72, Albertson (NAIA 2) 63
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 16, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule".
Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.
I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament. So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament? What are you getting at Pat?
Quote from: wilburt on November 17, 2007, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 16, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule".
Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.
I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament. So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament? What are you getting at Pat?
To me, that's a sanction. And a shame...
11/16 - Wabash 96, Kentucky Christian 88 (NCCAA)
11/17 - Indiana Wesleyan 66, Wabash 62 (NAIA II)
Quote from: smedindy on November 17, 2007, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 17, 2007, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 16, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule".
Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.
I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament. So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament? What are you getting at Pat?
To me, that's a sanction. And a shame...
To you it may be a sanction, to the FISK athletic department it may be called "free choice"!
Scores from 11/17
Adrian 72, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 60
Ashford (NAIA 2) 75, Rockford 64
Azusa Pacific (NAIA 1) 79, Occidental 57
Briarcliffe (USCAA) 90, Lehman 86
Buena Vista 72, Augustana, SD (D2) 71
Cal Maritime (NAIA 2) 56, Maine Maritime 53
Central Missouri State (D2) 87, Monmouth 60
Colby 95, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 70
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 82, Augsburg 75
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 80, Macalester 65
Eastern Oregon (NAIA 2) 95, Williamette 88
Elms 90, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 78
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 71, Whitman 67
Fontbonne 100, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 63
Goucher 78, Maryland Bible (other) 73
Grand View (NAIA 2) 75, North Central, MN 41
Heidelberg 109, Tiffin (D2) 77
Hobart 97, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 70
Ithaca 100, Albany Pharmacy (other) 50
Jamestown, SD (NAIA 2) 87, Northwestern, MN 75
Kean 88, Penn College (other) 53
Linfield 81, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 73
MacMurray 78, Marygrove (USCAA) 67
Malone (NAIA 2) 83, Geneva 70
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 85, Finlandia 72
McNeese State (D1) 65, Louisiana College 45
Millsaps 95, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 69
Missouri-Rolla (D2) 73, Blackburn 53
Muskingum 71, Northwestern Ohio (NAIA 2) 52
Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 66, Rutgers-Newark 61
North Central, IL 99, Lindenwood (NAIA 2) 89 (OT)
Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 89, Pacific 67
Ohio Northern 72, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 67
Olivet 83, Andrews (USCAA) 52
Pacific Lutheran 79, Concordia-Portland (NAIA 2) 77(OT)
Penn State-Delaware County (other) 115, Bard 111
Penn State-Hazleton (other) 70, Marywood 63
Point Park (NAIA 2) 91, Alvernia 83
Rhodes 101, Rhema College, OK (USCAA) 95 (OT)
Scranton 80, Walsh, OH (NAIA 2) 73
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 101, Lynchburg 66
Southwest Minnesota State (D2) 83, Hamline 59
Sul Ross State 70, Texas-Permian Basin (D2) 51
Thiel 80, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 52
Thomas 85, Unity (USCAA) 32
University of New England 87, Fisher (NAIA 2) 41
University of the Pacific (D1) 92, Lewis & Clark 47
UW-River Falls 73, Peru State (NAIA 2) 55
UW-Stout 81, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 63
Webber International (NAIA 2) 69, Birmingham-Southern 57
Wiley (NAIA 1) 92, East Texas Baptist 73
William Penn (NAIA 2) 65, Crown 38
Williamson Trade (USCAA) 57, Delaware Valley 44
Winona State (D2) 118, St. Mary's, MN 53
Scores from 11/18
UC Davis (D1) 71, UC Santa Cruz 49
Oswego State 84, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 66
Shawnee State (NAIA 2) 82, Muskingum 67
Yeshiva 71, Berkeley (other) 40
Totals through 11/18
D3 vs.
D1....0-4
D2....2-7
NAIA 1....2-4
NAIA 2....24-18
NCCAA 1....2-0
NCCAA 2....6-0
USCAA....19-3
Other....8-2
UWSP 77 Northern Michigan (D2) 52
Scores from 11/19
Birmingham-Southern 93, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 63
Central 94, Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 53
Emmaus (NCCAA 2) 78, Maranatha Baptist 74
Franklin 82, Webber International (NAIA 2) 57
Maryland Bible (other) 68, Gallaudet 62 (OT)
University of the Ozarks 87, Henderson State (D2) 76
Trinity International (NAIA 2) 100, Lakeland 91 (OT)
Congrats to BSC for their first win as a D-3 men's hoops school!
Smed - not exactly an upset win though... ;D ;D
Quote from: wilburt on November 18, 2007, 09:38:44 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 17, 2007, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 17, 2007, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2007, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 16, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
That's Pat's perogative as well as it is FISK's perogative to schedule opponents whom they choose, regardless of the 50% "rule".
Also the NCAA's prerogative to sanction schools that don't follow their rules.
I think the rule in the Division III bylaws states that schools must schedule 50% in-region to be eligible for the tournament. So FISK chooses not to be "eligible" for the tournament? What are you getting at Pat?
To me, that's a sanction. And a shame...
To you it may be a sanction, to the FISK athletic department it may be called "free choice"!
The behavior of the AD on the board this summer makes one wonder if they even knew the rules. He didn't know the rules about playoff selection in the instance he griped about.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2007, 02:39:20 PM
The behavior of the AD on the board this summer makes one wonder if they even knew the rules. He didn't know the rules about playoff selection in the instance he griped about.
Why don't you ask him instead of assuming or wondering? Or is it just something you like to harp upon?
BTW Pat for what it is worth,
D3 FISK beat D2 Lane this past Saturday 61-57 in Nashville!
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2007, 01:57:37 PM
Smed - not exactly an upset win though... ;D ;D
You gotta start somewhere!
Quote from: wilburt on November 20, 2007, 02:53:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2007, 02:39:20 PM
The behavior of the AD on the board this summer makes one wonder if they even knew the rules. He didn't know the rules about playoff selection in the instance he griped about.
Why don't you ask him instead of assuming or wondering? Or is it just something you like to harp upon?
BTW Pat for what it is worth, D3 FISK beat D2 Lane this past Saturday 61-57 in Nashville!
I did. He didn't respond to my e-mail after his un-anonymous posts.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 02:04:24 AM
I did. He didn't respond to my e-mail after his un-anonymous posts.
1. Well take my word for it then. They know.
2. BTW, I take issue with your d3hoops notation regarding FISK. The notation I am talking about specifically states that
"This school does not have a Division III program." This surprises me coming from someone who prides himself on accuracy (particularly amongst journalists). That statement is either A) a reckless disregard for the truth or B) a boldface lie on your part. Regardless of which it is, I demand a retraction of that statement.
3. Below is the d3hoops link I make reference to:
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2008&team=mens&school=Fisk
Scores from 11/20
Allegheny 58, Penn State-New Kensington (USCAA) 57
Bluffton 89, Wright State-Lake (other) 70
Bridgewater, VA 94, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 87
Coe 78, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 60
Doane (NAIA 2) 68, Nebraska Wesleyan 65
East Carolina (D1) 88, North Carolina Wesleyan 69
Eckerd (D2) 71, Franklin 66
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 88, Pacific Lutheran 71
Geneva 71, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 63
Grand Valley State (D2) 96, Kalamazoo 50
Grinnell 116, Waldorf (NAIA 2) 104
Holy Names (NAIA 2) 81, Whittier 80
Howard Payne 73, Southwest Assemblies of God (NAIA 1) 60
Louisiana State-Shreveport (NAIA 1) 114, East Texas Baptist 94
Lycoming 87, Penn College (other) 52
Mansfield State (D2) 85, Messiah 63
Marywood 73, Penn State-Scranton (other) 47
McKendree (NAIA 1) 85, Greenville 56
McNeese State (D1) 65, Texas-Tyler 49
Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2) 67, Concordia-Moorhead 55
Montclair State 81, Berkeley (other) 35
New Jersey City 84, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 73
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 97, Illinois Wesleyan 79
Penn State-Abington (other) 68, Rutgers-Camden 51
Portland State (D1) 93, Linfield 50
Puget Sound 97, Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 82
St. Edward's (D2) 88, Concordia-Austin 69
Thiel 88, Penn State-Fayette (other) 65
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 106, Penn State-Harrisburg 97
Winona State (D2) 95, UW-Stout 68
UW-La Crosse 59, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 49
Quote from: wilburt on November 21, 2007, 07:23:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 02:04:24 AM
I did. He didn't respond to my e-mail after his un-anonymous posts.
1. Well take my word for it then. They know.
2. BTW, I take issue with your d3hoops notation regarding FISK. The notation I am talking about specifically states that "This school does not have a Division III program." This surprises me coming from someone who prides himself on accuracy (particularly amongst journalists). That statement is either A) a reckless disregard for the truth or B) a boldface lie on your part. Regardless of which it is, I demand a retraction of that statement.
3. Below is the d3hoops link I make reference to:
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2008&team=mens&school=Fisk
Wilburt -- we choose not to recognize Fisk based on its schedule. That's all there is to say here. Your continued arguments should be made toward Fisk for failing to schedule Division III institutions.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 02:26:10 PM
Wilburt -- we choose not to recognize Fisk based on its schedule. That's all there is to say here. Your continued arguments should be made toward Fisk for failing to schedule Division III institutions.
1. Choosing not to recognize FISK on d3hoops and stating that FISK does not have a Division III program are entirely two different things Pat and you know that. The former is your prerogative, the latter statement is a lie!
Unless, of course, it is your prerogative to lie as well ???
2. My arguments are directed to you because you made the statement!
3. Intellectual dishonesty rules the day with you I see.
I don't really want to step into something that has gone on entirely to long. Maybe you could take it to the PM's.
However, in defense of D3hoops.com, I believe they treated Savanah Art and Design (SCAD) with the same non-d3 type schedule in a similar way, a few years ago.
In fairness, they do treat Nebraska Wesleyan as a D-3 program. However, I think it's apples and oranges. NW plays most of its non-conference games against D-3 schools.
I can call myself something - that doesn't mean it's how I am perceived by others. Fisk is a member of Division III, yet their scheduling shows that they'd rather be D-2 or NAIA in basketball.
Similarly to how we treat Menlo in basketball or Nebraska Wesleyan in football. They don't declare for the NCAA championship and, by dint of its schedule, Fisk has done the same.
Wilburt, bud, you should move on. I don't have the time -- or the inclination, based on your treatment of us or the Fisk athletic administration's treatment of us -- to recode the page specifically for Fisk right now at your demand.
Just out of curiosity, was there a specific reason that Saint Vincent is included in the D3Hoops data base, but Geneva isn't? On the surface, they seem to be in same situation as new members of the President's Conference and to be NCAA members....
No, no reason. When I get back to a computer later I will see if it's on our end or Presto's end ... or both.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2007, 02:35:53 PM
No, no reason. When I get back to a computer later I will see if it's on our end or Presto's end ... or both.
Turns out it's both. :)
Well, I'll allow you ONE per season.... ;D
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2007, 12:56:03 PM
Just out of curiosity, was there a specific reason that Saint Vincent is included in the D3Hoops data base, but Geneva isn't? On the surface, they seem to be in same situation as new members of the President's Conference and to be NCAA members....
I just added the following games to the scoreboard:
Geneva 106, Franciscan (other) 77 (11/16)
Malone (NAIA 2) 83, Geneva 70 (11/17)
Geneva 71, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) (11/20)
The new totals will include these games.
Scores from 11/21
Ferris State (D2) 47, Alma 43
Hillsdale (D2) 77, Albion 74 (OT)
IPFW (D1) 106, Manchester 57
Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 63, George Fox 50
Totals through 11/21
D3 vs.
D1....0-8
D2....3-15
NAIA 1....3-7
NAIA 2....29-24
NCCAA 1....2-0
NCCAA 2....8-2
USCAA....22-3
Other....13-4
RS - Is Kentucky Christian NCCAA 1 or 2?
Quote from: smedindy on November 23, 2007, 04:20:21 PM
RS - Is Kentucky Christian NCCAA 1 or 2?
NCCAA Division II (http://www.thenccaa.org/division2.html)
Can someone please answer the following : Are St. Joseph's (Brooklyn) and Franciscan (OH) both first-year D3 provisional members?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 23, 2007, 05:58:47 PM
Can someone please answer the following : Are St. Joseph's (Brooklyn) and Franciscan (OH) both first-year D3 provisional members?
Status of provisionals. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3955.msg661095#msg661095)
Pat Coleman posted this last January.
Ralph: Thanks for the response. I'm going to make some changes to the totals now.
Scores from 11/23
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 78, Hope 69 (OT)
Calvin 82, Cornerstone (NAIA 2) 77
Framingham State 82, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 66
Missouri Southern State (D2) 98, Maryville, MO 49
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75
Williamette 56, Southern Oregon (NAIA 2) 47
Scores from 11/24
Allegheny 103, Penn State-Dubois (other) 58
Anderson 70, Cincinnati Clermont (USCAA) 68
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 90, Calvin 88 (OT)
Biola (NAIA 1) 79, Redlands 55
Cleveland State (D1) 67, John Carroll 57
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 75, UW-River Falls 71
DePauw 83, Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 72
Hope 87, Cornerstone (NAIA 2) 68
Lewis & Clark 77, Corban (NAIA 2) 70
Linfield 91, Concordia-Portland (NAIA 2) 79
Louisiana State-Shreveport (NAIA 1) 77, Texas-Tyler 65
Lubbock Christian (NAIA 1) 66, Sul Ross St. 51
Mass-Boston 68, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 64
Methodist 74, Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 67
North Park 85, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 75
Northwest Nazarene (NAIA 2) 75, Pacific 69
Oregon Tech (NAIA 2) 74, Williamette 63
Pittsburg State (D2) 83, Maryville, MO 51
Puget Sound 91, Bemidji State (D2) 68
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 74, Knox 45
St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 80, Monmouth 76
St. Thomas 83, Winona State (D2) 82 (OT)
Beating Winona State is a huge upset for D3 schools, great job
Scores from 11/25
Bemidji State (D2) 69, Northland 59
Hanover 79, Shawnee State (NAIA 2) 62
Marietta 111, Penn State-Dubois (USCAA) 87
Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 74, Averett 73
Olivet 90, Brescia (NAIA 1) 85
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 79, Monmouth 52
Transylvania 89, Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 81 (OT)
Southeast Louisiana (D1) 73, Millsaps 55
St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 77, Knox 61
Totals through 11/25
D3 vs.
D1....1-10
D2....6-18
NAIA 1....4-11
NAIA 2....40-30
NCCAA 1....2-0
NCCAA 2....8-2
USCAA....25-5
Other....14-4
Scores from 11/26
Austin 85, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 72
University of Indianapolis (D2) 80, Franklin 74
Rutgers-Camden 61, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 48
Texas-Arlington (D1) 99, Schreiner 66
Washington & Jefferson 68, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 40
Interesting to note that the NAIA D II #1, MidAmerica Nazarene, defeated the NAIA DI #1, Oklahoma City...
http://www.mnu.edu/athletics/news.php?aid=377
Both are defending national champions in their respective divisions.
Hmmm...it seems the entire college basketball landscape is moving closer and closer together. One day, every team will be .500. :D
Quote from: smedindy on November 27, 2007, 04:24:38 PM
Hmmm...it seems the entire college basketball landscape is moving closer and closer together. One day, every team will be .500. :D
Isn't that one of the Laws of Thermodynamics? ???
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 07:09:00 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 27, 2007, 04:24:38 PM
Hmmm...it seems the entire college basketball landscape is moving closer and closer together. One day, every team will be .500. :D
Isn't that one of the Laws of Thermodynamics? ???
Entropy only applies in a closed system. As long as coaches can recruit overseas, they can still break out (unless, of course, the entire world is headed for .500).
But fear not, in d3 we have a
25 game limit, so half the teams will still be over .500 at 13-12. :P
Quote from: Titan Q on November 27, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
Interesting to note that the NAIA D II #1, MidAmerica Nazarene, defeated the NAIA DI #1, Oklahoma City...
http://www.mnu.edu/athletics/news.php?aid=377
Both are defending national champions in their respective divisions.
MidAmerica is down in my neck of the woods. Their championship last season was entirely unexpected. The coach and the program were building up for this season and next, so they should be pretty good. I know they played Stevens Point last year, any word on d3s on the schedule this year?
Nevermind, I checked. They don't have any d3s on the schedule this season.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 27, 2007, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on November 27, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
Interesting to note that the NAIA D II #1, MidAmerica Nazarene, defeated the NAIA DI #1, Oklahoma City...
http://www.mnu.edu/athletics/news.php?aid=377
Both are defending national champions in their respective divisions.
MidAmerica is down in my neck of the woods. Their championship last season was entirely unexpected. The coach and the program were building up for this season and next, so they should be pretty good. I know they played Stevens Point last year, any word on d3s on the schedule this year?
Actually, MNU played UWSP two years ago. I know that Old School was at the game (it was at a tournament at Dubuque, IA(?)) and so he saw them, though it was two years ago. I'm pretty sure they made it to Kansas City two seasons ago too, though their record wasn't as sparkling as it was last year (around .500 if my memory serves me correctly).
Scores from 11/27
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 72, Alma 49
Bemidji St. (D2) 76, UW-Superior 71
Centenary 81, Berkeley (other) 70
Centre 81, Berea (NAIA 2) 67
Coe 61, Gramd View (NAIA 2) 50
Concordia-Austin 86, Huston-Tillotson (NAIA 1) 84
Concordia, WI 75, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 65
Covenant 81 (NAIA 2) 81, LaGrange 73
Hendrix 91, Central Baptist (NCCAA 1) 79
Huntingdon 76, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 73
Maine Maritime 82, Unity (USCAA) 44
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 71, Minnesota-Morris 68
North Carolina Wesleyan 128, Roanoke Bible (other) 39
North Central, MN 72, Pillsbury Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 65
Pacific 85, Northwest Christian (USCAA) 80 (OT)
Regis (D2) 84, Colorado College 56
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 93, MacMurray 75
Valley City State (NAIA 2) 77, Presentation 58
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 104, Linfield 92
Wheeling Jesuit (D2) 81, Bethany 78
Wiley (NAIA 1) 96, Rust 67
Scores from 11/28
Albion 75, Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 56
Bethany 93, Ohio-Eastern (other) 75
Carthage 79, East-West (other) 56
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 78, Olivet 61
Edinboro (D2) 61, Allegheny 55
Grace (NAIA 2) 87, Manchester 62
Hesser (USCAA) 106, Lyndon State 86
Incarnate Word (D2) 102, Texas Lutheran 70
Marywood 76, Davis (other) 64
Nebraska Wesleyan 68, Dana (NAIA 2) 55
Oneonta State 84, St. Joseph's, VT (NAIA 2) 73
Skidmore 73, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 72 (OT)
Thiel 87, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 52
Totals* through 11/28
D3 vs.
D1....1-11
D2....6-24
NAIA 1....5-11
NAIA 2....47-37
NCCAA 1.....3-0
NCCAA 2....12-2
USCAA....29-7
Other....19-4
*Missing score: Wiley @ Rust (11/27)
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 30, 2007, 05:38:47 PM
*Missing score: Wiley @ Rust (11/27)
When it comes to score reporting, you can't spell 'frustration' without RUST.
Scores from 11/29
Belhaven (NAIA 1) 71, Rust 47
Blackburn 74, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 67
Chapman 58, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 45
Crown 84, Providence, CANADA (other) 57
Maranatha Baptist 99, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 90
Minnesota Duluth (D2) 74, Northland 41
Nyack (D2) 73, Baptist Bible 60
Pomona-Pitzer 69, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 57
Sam Houston (D1) 79, Hardin-Simmons 41
Westminster, MO 75, Manhattan Christian (NCCAA 2) 50
Whitworth 90, Southwestern, AZ (NCCAA 2) 64
Scores from 11/30
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 83, Martin Luther 76
Davenport (NAIA 2) 75, Northwestern, MN 74
Greenville 80, Logan Chiropractic (other) 75
Husson 93, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 60
Incarnate Word (D2) 79, Schreiner 71
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 80, Thomas 66
Maranatha Baptist 64, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA 2) 45
North Central, MN 76, Providence, CANADA (other) 45
Totals* through 11/30
D3 vs.
D1....1-12
D2....6-27
NAIA 1....5-12
NAIA 2....49-40
NCCAA 1....3-0
NCCAA 2....16-2
USCAA....31-7
Other....22-4
*Missing score: Wiley @ Rust (11/27)
Scores from 12/1
Cedarville (NAIA 2) 65, Wooster 61
Crown 87, Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 68
Davis & Elkins (D2) 82, Ferrum 66
Greenville 68, Concordia, MO (other) 63
Maine-Farmington 89, Fisher (NAIA 2) 62
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 82, Maine Maritime 73
Maranatha Baptist 77, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 55
Minnesota Duluth (D2) 81, St. Scholastica 70
Minnesota-Morris 83, Jamestown, SD (NAIA 2) 78
Northwestern, MN 90, Indiana-Northwest (NAIA 2) 61
South Dakota Tech (NAIA 2) 82, Presentation 72
Thomas 85, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 80
Tri State 63, Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 53
Whitman 81, Great Falls (NAIA 1) 67
Scores from 12/2
Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 62, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
Elms 86, Fisher (NAIA 2) 64
Lewis and Clark 95, Walla Walla (USCAA) 66
Totals through 12/2
D3 vs.
D1....1-12
D2....6-29
NAIA 1....6-13
NAIA 2....55-44
NCCAA 1....3-0
NCCAA 2....18-2
USCAA....32-7
Other....23-4
FOUND IT!! On the Red River Conference Site:
http://www.redriverconference.com/m-basketball/standings.htm
November 27
Concordia-Austin 84, Huston-Tillotson 81
Southern Methodist (Texas) 93, Paul Quinn 77
Wiley 96, Rust (Miss.) 67
Quote from: smedindy on December 03, 2007, 01:01:14 PM
FOUND IT!! On the Red River Conference Site:
http://www.redriverconference.com/m-basketball/standings.htm
November 27
Concordia-Austin 84, Huston-Tillotson 81
Southern Methodist (Texas) 93, Paul Quinn 77
Wiley 96, Rust (Miss.) 67
Smed: Thanks. I added the score and changed the totals. As far as I can tell, no scores are missing.
Scores from 12/3
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 92, North Central, MN 43
Simpson 56, Grand View (NAIA 2) 52
12-4 Maryville TN D3 (GSAC) 87 Carson-Newman D2 80
Scores from 12/4
Biola (NAIA 1) 59, Whittier 45
Brockport State 91, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 77
Cedarville (NAIA 2) 73, Wittenberg 58
George Fox 84, Corban (NAIA 2) 65
Howard Payne 65, Southwestern Assemblies of God (NAIA 1) 54
LaGrange 90, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 88
Linfield 76, Concordia-Portland (NAIA 2) 64
Madonna (NAIA 2) 76, Alma 66
Rhodes 90, Free Will Baptist (NCCAA 2) 59
Texas A&M International (D2) 88, Sul Ross State 77
Sam Houston State (D1) 82, Texas Lutheran 48
Also on 12/4
Aquinas (NAIA II) 78, Calvin 62
Scores from 12/5
Augustana 85, St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 68
Averett 76, Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 70
Cornell 82, Mt. Mercy (NAIA 2) 81
Elizabethtown 77, Millersville (D2) 72
Finlandia 75, Northern Michigan (D2) 58
Green Mountain 80, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 43
Greenville 84, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 54
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 92, Maine-Presque Isle 80
Minnesota State Mankato (D2) 86, Bethany Lutheran 44
Nebraska Wesleyan 64, Concordia-Nebraska (NAIA 2) 49
Portland State (D1) 61, Lewis and Clark 60
St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 79, Johnson State 77
St. Martin's (D2) 92, Pacific Lutheran 86
Trinity International (NAIA 2) 82, Carthage 64
Wheaton, IL 66, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 47
Scores from 12/6
Lakeland 82, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 57
Mississippi College 69, Wesley, MS (NCCAA 2) 65
Mount St. Mary 91, Albany Pharmacy (other) 58
Redlands 75, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 59
Shenandoah 76, Shippensburg (D2) 68
Sienna Heights (NAIA 2) 72, Adrian 66
SUNYIT 89, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 67
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 67, Martin Luther 66
Totals through 12/6
D3 vs.
D1....1-14
D2....10-33
NAIA 1....8-14
NAIA 2....64-52
NCCAA 1....3-0
NCCAA 2....22-2
USCAA....34-7
Other....24-4
Scores from 12/7
Hope 100, Marygrove (USCAA) 52
Kenyon 78, Ohio Christian (NCCAA 2) 65
Millsaps 78, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 66
North Park 83, Judson (NAIA 2) 66
Pacific Lutheran 63, Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 60
Rowan 87, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 82
Widener 89, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 55
Scores from 12/8
Albany Pharmacy (other) 72, Polytechnic 61
Buena Vista 67, Grand View (NAIA 2) 60
Cascade (NAIA 2) 68, Pacific 66
Concordia-Irvine (NAIA 1) 85, Redlands 68
Concordia-Portland (NAIA 2) 69, Williamette 55
Davenport (NAIA 2) 72, Tri-State 54
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 88, Whitman 73
George Fox 65, Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 52
Hope 68, Aquinas (NAIA 2) 59
Kutztown (D2) 81, Penn State-Berks 49
Lamar (D1) 117, Louisiana College 67
Luther 60, Iowa Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 58
UMBC (D1) 82, Goucher 37
Master's (NAIA 1) 71, Whittier 67
Mercer (D1) 76, Sewanee 62
Minnesota State-Mankato (D2) 91, St. Mary's, MN 57
Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 80, Dubuque 63
Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA 2) 80, Kenyon 68
Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 76, Virginia Wesleyan 75
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 85, La Verne 62
Puget Sound 121, Cal State Stanislaus (D2) 101
Rowan 86, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 67
Shippensburg (D2) 67, Neumann 57
St. Cloud State (D2) 82, St. John's 56
Wabash 60, Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 57 (OT)
Webster 91, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 67
Wesleyan 73, Fisher (NAIA 2) 66
Western State (D2) 77, Colorado College 68
Widener 92, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 82
Wiley (NAIA 1) 67, Rust 56
Scores from 12/9
Christopher Newport 100, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 67
Lyndon State 83, Paul Smith's (NCCAA 2) 64
Totals through 12/9
D3 vs.
D1....1-17
D2....12-38
NAIA 1....8-18
NAIA 2....71-58
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....27-2
USCAA....35-8
Other....26-5
Rhodes, My data base shows D3 with 14 wins over D2, as compared to your 11. I imagine one difference is Fisk, which I have listed as a D3, as does the NCAA.org site, (Fisk has a win over D2 Lane). The other is likely Chestnut Hill, whose own site lists as a D2 school, though the NCAA.org site lists as a D3. They have lost to D3's Immaculata and Arcadia, but otherwise are playing a complete D2 schedule in the CACC conference. What's your thinking on the status of the two schools?
Quote from: hopefan on December 10, 2007, 02:06:44 PM
Rhodes, My data base shows D3 with 14 wins over D2, as compared to your 11. I imagine one difference is Fisk, which I have listed as a D3, as does the NCAA.org site, (Fisk has a win over D2 Lane). The other is likely Chestnut Hill, whose own site lists as a D2 school, though the NCAA.org site lists as a D3. They have lost to D3's Immaculata and Arcadia, but otherwise are playing a complete D2 schedule in the CACC conference. What's your thinking on the status of the two schools?
I'm claissifying both teams as non-D3. If I were including Fisk as D3 then the total wins vs. D2 would be 12. What D3 wins over D2 teams do you have that differ from my list?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 10, 2007, 03:03:21 PM
I'm claissifying both teams as non-D3. If I were including Fisk as D3 then the total wins vs. D2 would be 12. What D3 wins over D2 teams do you have that differ from my list?
I think I hear Wilburt coming down the hall...
I agree with the non-D3 status for both of 'em.
If Chesnut Hill is D2, thats 2 winsover them (Immaculata and Arcadia) plus Finlandia over Northern Michigan, E town over Millersville, Hberg over Tiffin, Puget over cal state, Buena over Augie d2, Stevens point over N Mich, St Thomas over winona, Sul Ross over Texas Permian, Ozarks over Henderson, Shenandoah over Shippensburg, and Maryville Tn over Carson Newman
That would be 13, + Fisk over Lane would be 14.
I actually had only 10 wins over D2 teams, not 11, because I misclassified Tiffin as NAIA 2. So the new D2 total is now 11. If Fisk and Chestnut Hill are taken out of the picture, we have the same games and the same totals.
Good - glad to help you Rhodes - you have helped me numerous times!!! Your work is appreciated.
Quote from: David Collinge on December 10, 2007, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 10, 2007, 03:03:21 PM
I'm claissifying both teams as non-D3. If I were including Fisk as D3 then the total wins vs. D2 would be 12. What D3 wins over D2 teams do you have that differ from my list?
I think I hear Wilburt coming down the hall...
You are correct! Wilburt has come from down the hall. D3 Fisk has a win over D2 Lane. Now what you guys do with that information is up to you.
The NCAA recognizes Fisk as a Division III member regardless of their tournament elibigibility. So at this point that's all that matters since the NCAA has the final word on
that issue.
But the NCAA has schools classified in other divisions even though they are transitioning up or down.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 10, 2007, 01:40:26 PM
Totals through 12/9
D3 vs.
D1....1-17
D2....11-38
NAIA 1....8-18
NAIA 2....71-58
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....27-2
USCAA....35-8
Other....26-5
Puget Sound owns 2 of the 11 wins against the D2...not bad!
uh oh Rhodes, the Log man just pointed out an error that we both may have - I only had the Puget win over Cal State - their win over Bemidji had defaulted to D3 because I misspelled it - that would be another win over D2, or 15 on my sheet, 12 on yours.......
Sorry to 'nitpick'....
Quote from: smedindy on December 10, 2007, 03:48:32 PM
I agree with the non-D3 status for both of 'em.
Thank you Myles Brand
Jr. for your opinion.
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 02:13:10 PM
uh oh Rhodes, the Log man just pointed out an error that we both may have - I only had the Puget win over Cal State - their win over Bemidji had defaulted to D3 because I misspelled it - that would be another win over D2, or 15 on my sheet, 12 on yours.......
Sorry to 'nitpick'....
I just went over the scores again. I have 12 D3 wins vs. D2 foes. I listed 11 in the totals because I didn't include Stevens Point's win over Northern Michigan, which was listed by PointSpecial. I'll change the total now to 12.
Hopefully this puts the matter to rest. Although I doubt it. ;)
Scores from 12/10
East-West (other) 66, Carthage 63
Mount St. Mary 88, Berkeley (other) 46
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 103, Principia 80
UW-Stevens Point 91, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 83
Scores from 12/11
Carthage 70, Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 66
Michigan Tech (D2) 57, UW-Stout 54
Northwood (D2) 81, Kalamazoo 64
Skidmore 98, Albany Pharmacy (other) 68
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 12, 2007, 11:12:02 AM
Scores from 12/10
East-West (other) 66, Carthage 63
Mount St. Mary 88, Berkeley (other) 46
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 103, Principia 80
UW-Stevens Point 91, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 83
Also 12/10 NJCU 72 St. Joes Brooklyn (USCAA) 66.
St. Joe's Brooklyn is one of those that are soon moving to D-3, right?
It appears that they are D-III with some sports but their website still lists the mens basketball team as USCAA and in the HVAC. (Love that Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning conference.) That is what I was basing it on.
Quote from: smedindy on December 12, 2007, 12:30:28 PM
St. Joe's Brooklyn is one of those that are soon moving to D-3, right?
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 12, 2007, 12:58:40 PM
It appears that they are D-III with some sports but their website still lists the mens basketball team as USCAA and in the HVAC. (Love that Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning conference.) That is what I was basing it on.
I have St. Joe's-Brooklyn classified as D3. I believe they're a first-year D3 provisional member.
Right. There was a great huzzah in the air when I found their schedule.
So are they D3, USCAA or something in between. They are scheduled for the D3 independents tournament at the end of the season but also have the USCAA tournament listed on the schedule. Kind of like a D3 step child right now.
Scores from 12/12
Centre 86, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 69
Fontbonne 89, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 76
Incarnate Word (D2) 81, Mary Hardin-Baylor 69
Penn State-Harrisburg 85, Penn State-Abington (other) 75 (OT)
Totals through 12/12
D3 vs.
D1....1-17
D2....12-41
NAIA 1....9-18
NAIA 2....72-58
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....29-2
USCAA....37-9
Other....29-6
Rhodes, a correction you might want to consider is to see where Lincoln Christian is in your data - I notice their games are not in your scores as a non NCAA team when they play SLIAC (D3) teams - They have dropped out of the SLIAC and the NCAA this year and should be considered NCCAA D2. Not sure if you considered them as NCAA teams earlier in the year when they played other NCCAA teams.... Note- they are playing a full schedule of 18 games against SLIAC teams, because their decision came so late that everyone elected not to find new opponents. They are not SLIAC or NCAA games, so it will have a big impact on your numbers
Quote from: hopefan on December 13, 2007, 01:40:37 PM
Rhodes, a correction you might want to consider is to see where Lincoln Christian is in your data - I notice their games are not in your scores as a non NCAA team when they play SLIAC (D3) teams - They have dropped out of the SLIAC and the NCAA this year and should be considered NCCAA D2. Not sure if you considered them as NCAA teams earlier in the year when they played other NCCAA teams.... Note- they are playing a full schedule of 18 games against SLIAC teams, because their decision came so late that everyone elected not to find new opponents. They are not SLIAC or NCAA games, so it will have a big impact on your numbers
Thanks for the input. I added Greenville vs. LC and Webster vs. LC to the scores, and I changed the totals.
Scores from 12/13
Multnomah Bible (NCCAA 2) 68, Pacific 63
Waynesburg 86, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 75
Scores from 12/14
Albion 107, Marygrove (USCAA) 44
Bethel, TN (NAIA 1) 97, Rust 81
Briarcliffe (USCAA) 81, Montclair State 78 (OT)
Corban (NAIA 2) 82, Whitman 73
Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 83, Cornell 80
IU-Southeast (NAIA 2) 69, Kalamazoo 61
St. Vincent 73, Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 63
Worecester State 67, Houghton (NAIA 2) 52
Hey, can we ask teams to stop MOVING divisions so Rhodes can get caught up on who is where?? :D
Scores from 12/15
Benedictine, KS (NAIA 2) 88, Buena Vista 82
Birmingham Southern 96, Southeastern (NCCAA 2) 76
Calvin 80, Trinity Christian (NAIA 2) 47
Dartmouth (D1) 88, Daniel Webster 52
Kalamazoo 66, Davenport (NAIA 2) 60
La Verne 78, Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 75
Madonna (NAIA 2) 86, Albion 80
Maine-Augusta (NAIA 2) 90, Maine-Presque Isle 61
Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2) 69, Concordia-Moorhead 47
Northern Iowa (D1) 99, Wartburg 48
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 92, North Park 75
Union, KY (NAIA 2) 76, St. Vincent 68
Wooster 89, Walsh (NAIA 2) 88
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 12, 2007, 04:06:58 PM
So are they D3, USCAA or something in between. They are scheduled for the D3 independents tournament at the end of the season but also have the USCAA tournament listed on the schedule. Kind of like a D3 step child right now.
i think they are d3 provisional, but they are still affiliated with the USCAA until they officially get accepted into the NCAA...what's up wit the USCAA??I look at some of the teams' schedules and they have some NCAA division II and division I on them.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 14, 2007, 03:50:33 PM
Scores from 12/13
Multnomah Bible (NCCAA 2) 68, Pacific 63
As an NWC supporter that score really depresses me. And Pac started the season with so much hype.
The USCAA schools will play pert near anyone to get games, I think.
Scores from 12/16
Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2) 93, Presentation 64
Whitman 81, Montana Tech (NAIA 1) 75
Scores from 12/17
Lawrence 73, Nova Southeastern (D2) 60
Millsaps 75, Belhaven (NAIA 1) 70
Pacific Lutheran 65, Simon Fraser (other) 62
Southwestern 72, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 66
St. Norbert 59, Northern Michigan (D2) 50 (OT)
Totals through 12/17
D3 vs.
D1....1-19
D2....14-43
NAIA 1....11-19
NAIA 2....79-64
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....30-4
USCAA....39-11
Other....30-6
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 18, 2007, 09:41:33 AM
Totals through 12/17
D3 vs.
D1....1-19
D2....14-43
NAIA 1....11-19
NAIA 2....79-64
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....30-4
USCAA....39-11
Other....30-6
So that would make the overall D3 record against outside competition
208-166 for a winning percentage of 56%
Right, but picking on the NCCCA and USCAA isn't as fun. I really look for games against NAIA 1 and 2.
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
Right, but picking on the NCCCA and USCAA isn't as fun. I really look for games against NAIA 1 and 2.
Without question the NAIA offers the most evenly matched competition for D3. NAIA 1 is a bit stronger than D3 and NAIA 2 is more or less equal.
Scores from 12/18
Findlay (D2) 76, Lake Erie 66
Lawrence 69, Johnson & Wales, FL (NAIA 2) 57
Loras 95, Ashford (NAIA 2) 74
Michigan Tech (D2) 73, Finlandia 37
Mount Saint Jospeh 83, Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 68
Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 73, Wentworth Tech 67
Occidental 77, Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 40
Trinity, TX 59, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 47
UW-Whitewater 95, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 50
William Jessup (NAIA 2) 77, UC Santa Cruz 68
Scores from 12/19
Chapman 69, Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 50
Coe 79, Regis, CO (D2) 67
Eastern 90, Montana Tech (NAIA 1) 88
Louisiana-Monroe (D1) 86, Louisiana College 51
Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 60, Goucher 59
St. Martin's (D2) 72, George Fox 69
Walsh (NAIA 2) 83, Westminster, MO 52
Winston-Salem (D1) 61, Ferrum 55
Scores from 12/20
Fresno Pacific (NAIA 1) 66, Westminster, MO 46
Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1) 91, Monmouth 53
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 93, Blackburn 59
Walsh (NAIA 2) 98, Eastern 89
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 19, 2007, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
Right, but picking on the NCCCA and USCAA isn't as fun. I really look for games against NAIA 1 and 2.
Without question the NAIA offers the most evenly matched competition for D3. NAIA 1 is a bit stronger than D3 and NAIA 2 is more or less equal.
I'm really interested to see how UW-Platteville is going to stack up against Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) next week. Looking at their roster and their results thus far, we should match up pretty well. Our guards will be a little smaller than theirs, but our Frontline as a whole should be a little bigger. Always good when you can get away for a trip and play good competition.
Totals through 12/20
D3 vs.
D1....1-21
D2....15-46
NAIA 1....12-21
NAIA 2....86-67
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....30-4
USCAA....39-14
Other....30-6
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 21, 2007, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 19, 2007, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
Right, but picking on the NCCCA and USCAA isn't as fun. I really look for games against NAIA 1 and 2.
Without question the NAIA offers the most evenly matched competition for D3. NAIA 1 is a bit stronger than D3 and NAIA 2 is more or less equal.
I'm really interested to see how UW-Platteville is going to stack up against Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) next week. Looking at their roster and their results thus far, we should match up pretty well. Our guards will be a little smaller than theirs, but our Frontline as a whole should be a little bigger. Always good when you can get away for a trip and play good competition.
Quote from: OxyBob on December 21, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 21, 2007, 11:47:55 AM
I'm really interested to see how UW-Platteville is going to stack up against Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) next week.
I have followed the GSAC for a long time. It's a real tough basketball conference. Anytime a D-III team can beat one of the top GSAC teams like Concordia, Point Loma, or Cal Baptist it's a big win. The Sea Lions are formidable. Good luck to Platteville.
OxyBob
The GSAC has three teams in the latest NAIA 1 Top 25 Poll (12/12):
Concordia #3
Point Loma Nazarene #10
Cal Baptist #15
Plus Azusa Pacific, Vanguard and The Master's also received votes.
As I said, good luck to Platteville.
OxyBob
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Just wish I could be in Sunny Southern California to watch the battle...instead I'm stuck here in a foot of snow, with another 6 inches coming tomorrow.
Happy Holidays to all and travel safely
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 21, 2007, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 19, 2007, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
Right, but picking on the NCCCA and USCAA isn't as fun. I really look for games against NAIA 1 and 2.
Without question the NAIA offers the most evenly matched competition for D3. NAIA 1 is a bit stronger than D3 and NAIA 2 is more or less equal.
I'm really interested to see how UW-Platteville is going to stack up against Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) next week. Looking at their roster and their results thus far, we should match up pretty well. Our guards will be a little smaller than theirs, but our Frontline as a whole should be a little bigger. Always good when you can get away for a trip and play good competition.
On Nov. 17, NAIA DI Olivet Nazarene lost in OT at Point Loma Nazarene...
http://web.olivet.edu/sports/Basketball/men/games/2007/mbb111707.htm
I'm pretty familiar with ONU as Illinois Wesleyan has played them every year for the last 15 seasons, including this year when the Tigers pasted rebuilding IWU (picked 7th in the CCIW) 97-79. Olivet Nazarene would be in the mix to win the CCIW this year. They'd probably finish 2nd, but they'd be in the middle of the title race. A 2nd place CCIW team is about equal to a 2nd place WIAC team, I'd say.
So if Point Loma Nazarene and ONU are about even, I'm thinking Point Loma is about equal to a WIAC #2 team - maybe like UW-Whitewater. It's a game Platteville can win, but on the road they'll certainly be an underdog. (It wouldn't surprise me if Point Loma is as good or better than UW-Stevens Point.)
Quote from: OxyBob on December 21, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
The Sea Lions are formidable.
I wonder how many times this statemt has been made.... this might be the first!
Quote from: Titan Q on December 21, 2007, 02:19:24 PM
On Nov. 17, NAIA DI Olivet Nazarene lost in OT at Point Loma Nazarene...
http://web.olivet.edu/sports/Basketball/men/games/2007/mbb111707.htm
I'm pretty familiar with ONU as Illinois Wesleyan has played them every year for the last 15 seasons, including this year when the Tigers pasted rebuilding IWU (picked 7th in the CCIW) 97-79. Olivet Nazarene would be in the mix to win the CCIW this year. They'd probably finish 2nd, but they'd be in the middle of the title race. A 2nd place CCIW team is about equal to a 2nd place WIAC team, I'd say.
So if Point Loma Nazarene and ONU are about even, I'm thinking Point Loma is about equal to a WIAC #2 team - maybe like UW-Whitewater. It's a game Platteville can win, but on the road they'll certainly be an underdog. (It wouldn't surprise me if Point Loma is as good or better than UW-Stevens Point.)
Sounds like it could be a game anyway. I'm just wondering how the Pioneers will react to the small layoff, travel, and the scenery. Hopefully they can be focused enough to compete and make it a game. They play George Fox while they're out there too, even though they're D3.
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 21, 2007, 03:56:07 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 21, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
The Sea Lions are formidable.
I wonder how many times this statemt has been made.... this might be the first!
Not like it's "The Banana Slugs are formidable" :)
I think the top two teams in the GSAC, as a general rule, should be considered basically unbeatable by D-III standards, at least in their time zone. Basing that on Calvin's trip to Azusa Pacific and Biola the year they won the national title. Those were the only two losses Calvin had all season.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 07:45:44 PM
I think the top two teams in the GSAC, as a general rule, should be considered basically unbeatable by D-III standards, at least in their time zone. Basing that on Calvin's trip to Azusa Pacific and Biola the year they won the national title. Those were the only two losses Calvin had all season.
Cal. Baptist handed last year's Final Four bound Wooster team one of its three regular season losses, too. Just another example of the strength of GSAC teams against top D-III competition.
Without question, the GSAC is a great league. I've been to Westmont College's Tom Byron Classic twice now with IWU, and even middle-of-the-pack Westmont teams are hard to deal with.
Quote from: OxyBob on December 22, 2007, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 22, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
Without question, the GSAC is a great league. I've been to Westmont College's Tom Byron Classic twice now with IWU, and even middle-of-the-pack Westmont teams are hard to deal with.
Too bad you're already going to be busy that night watching IWU get beat by Oxy.
OxyBob
Bulletin board material. This is just what the young Titans need to get over the hump vs your Tigers on 12/29!
Quote from: OxyBob on December 22, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 22, 2007, 11:43:07 AM
Bulletin board material.
"Troublemaker Taps Tigers To Triumph -- Titans Ticked"
OxyBob
Nice alliteration :D. Talkative Tiger Totes Team To Topple Titans
Scores from 12/21
Humboldt State (D2) 95, Williamette 71
Scores from 12/22
Louisiana-Monroe (D1) 96, Texas-Tyler 51
Manhattanville 87, Northwood, FL (NAIA 2) 77
Cal State Chico (D2) 80, Williamette 66
Scores from 12/26
Fontbonne 66, Hope International (NAIA 1) 59
Totals through 12/27
D3 vs.
D1....1-22
D2....15-48
NAIA 1....13-21
NAIA 2....87-67
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....30-4
USCAA....39-14
Other....30-6
Scores from 12/28
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 92, Hiram 64
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 82, Hobart 71
Hope 97, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 48
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 76, Mount Union 53
Texas-Permain Basin (NAIA 1) 87, Howard Payne 77
Texas-San Antonio (D1) 77, McMurry 56
UW-La Crosse 83, Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 81 (OT)
Westmont (NAIA 1) 57, Baruch 55
Nice effort by Baruch last night against Westmont. The Bearcats took the Warriors down to the wire before falling 57-55. No one gave Baruch much of a chance and they made a game of it. However, this year's Westmont team is probably not even a middle-of-the-pack GSAC team. It looks like the Warriors may very well be the ninth-best team in the conference.
Also on 12/28:
North Park 73 CSU East Bay (NAIA 2) 72
Scores from 12/29
California, PA (D2) 59, Lake Erie 46
Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 73, Dominican 70
Central 90, William Woods (NAIA 1) 77
Centre 79, Berea (NAIA 2) 71 (OT)
Columbia (D1) 109, Polytechnic 63
at Concordia-Austin 102, #8 Hastings NE (NAIA 2) 97*
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 77, St. Lawrence 74
Finlandia 71, Davenport (NAIA 2) 70C
Florida Memorial (NAIA 2) 86, Amherst 79
Hope 96, Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA 2) 77
Jamestown (NAIA 2) 85, UW-Eau Claire 76
Loyola, IL (D1) 89, St. Mary's 45
Millikin 81, Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 64
Olivet 65, Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 56
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 80, UW-Platteville 78
Purdue-Calumet (NAIA 1) 58, Alma 47
Rio Grande (NAIA 2) 108, Hiram 101
St. Vincent 92, Ohio-Eastern (other) 62
Texas-Arlington (D1) 74, Hardin-Simmons 54
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 80, Marian 60
Westmont (NAIA 1) 78, Puget Sound 75
Wheeling Jesuit (D2) 73, Wilmington 64
Wooster 87, Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 71
(* I didn't know that Hastings was ranked that highly! -Ralph Turner)
Scores from 12/30
Arkansas State (D1) 92, MacMurray 43
Concordia, CA (NAIA 1) 87, Southern Maine 61
Incarnate Word (D2) 78, Sul Ross State 75
Millsaps 59, Loyola, LA (NAIA 1) 69
Thompson Rivers (other) 92, Whitman 91 (OT)
West Liberty State (D2) 88, Wilmington 69
Totals through 12/30
D3 vs.
D1....1-27
D2....15-52
NAIA 1....15-27
NAIA 2....96-76
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....31-4
USCAA....39-14
Other....31-7
While the Millikin/Concordia score made the 12/30 list, I didn't see this score from that same day (in the championship game of the Bluffton tournament; MU/Concordia was the consolation game):
Bluffton 69, Ohio Dominican (NAIA 2 [?]) 67
Quote from: OxyBob on December 22, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 22, 2007, 11:43:07 AM
Bulletin board material.
"Troublemaker Taps Tigers To Triumph -- Titans Ticked"
OxyBob
Well Oxy prevailed, even with Bob's "bulletin board material" Good win for Oxy
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 29, 2007, 09:40:40 AM
Nice effort by Baruch last night against Westmont. The Bearcats took the Warriors down to the wire before falling 57-55. No one gave Baruch much of a chance and they made a game of it. However, this year's Westmont team is probably not even a middle-of-the-pack GSAC team. It looks like the Warriors may very well be the ninth-best team in the conference.
Rhodes are you a Baruch follower? Looks like they played Edgewood tough the next night...tough weekend for them.
Quote from: LogShow on January 01, 2008, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 22, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 22, 2007, 11:43:07 AM
Bulletin board material.
"Troublemaker Taps Tigers To Triumph -- Titans Ticked"
OxyBob
Well Oxy prevailed, even with Bob's "bulletin board material" Good win for Oxy
Oxy Overlooks Obnoxiously Opinionated Oracle, Overcomes Opposition
Quote from: LogShow on January 01, 2008, 03:15:44 PM
Rhodes are you a Baruch follower? Looks like they played Edgewood tough the next night...tough weekend for them.
I'm not a Baruch fan, but I do see them play pretty often because I live fairly close to the school. Yes, it was a tough weekend for the Bearcats--losing two close games 3,000 miles from home.
Quote from: David Collinge on January 01, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: LogShow on January 01, 2008, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on December 22, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 22, 2007, 11:43:07 AM
Bulletin board material.
"Troublemaker Taps Tigers To Triumph -- Titans Ticked"
OxyBob
Well Oxy prevailed, even with Bob's "bulletin board material" Good win for Oxy
Oxy Overlooks Obnoxiously Opinionated Oracle, Overcomes Opposition
LOL, if I could give karma points that you would get one from me
Scores from 12/31
Central 82, Ashford (NAIA 2) 79
Citadel (D1) 71, Cornell 63
Valley City State (NAIA 2) 90, Simpson 69
Wiley (NAIA 1) 93, East Texas Baptist 70
Score from 1/1
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 103, Philadelphia Biblical 48
Scores from 1/2
Alvernia 62, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 56
Clarion (D2) 92, Brockport State 84
Franklin & Marshall 105, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 78
Greensboro 88, Newport News Apprentice (USCAA) 85
Harris-Stowe (NAIA 1) 68, Greenville 41
Indiana, PA (D2) 66, Pitt-Greensburg 60
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 80, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 72
Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 74, Philadelphia Biblical 53
Transylvania 72, Spalding (NAIA 2) 49
Whittier 94, Portland Bible (other) 43
Totals through 1/2
D3 vs.
D1....1-28
D2....15-54
NAIA 1....15-30
NAIA 2....100-79
NCCAA 1....4-0
NCCAA 2....31-4
USCAA....42-14
Other....32-7
Scores from 1/4
DeSales 101, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 69
Huntingdon 81, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 74
Lake Forest 68, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 36
Minnesota State Mankato (D2) 87, Monmouth 62
Piedmont 74, Southeastern (NCCAA 2) 72
Rutgers-Newark 70, Albany Pharmacy (other) 36
well all the games against non-d3 opponents is probably just about wrapped up
I don't know. Some conferences are small, so there's always some activity afoot.
Scores from 1/5
Castleton State 102, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 83
Coastal Carolina (D1) 83, Susquehanna 72
Delaware Valley 70, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 55
Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 101, Maranatha Baptist 98
Grove City 83, Briarcliffe (USCAA) 68
Maryville, TN 80, Southeastern, FL (NCCAA 2) 66
Minot State (NAIA 2) 79, Presentation 65
Morningside (NAIA 2) 76, Nebraska Wesleyan 46
Rust 90, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 85
Quote from: LogShow on January 06, 2008, 02:02:55 PM
well all the games against non-d3 opponents is probably just about wrapped up
Quote from: smedindy on January 06, 2008, 07:02:08 PM
I don't know. Some conferences are small, so there's always some activity afoot.
I didn't check this year's schedule, but if last year is any indication, there should be over 100 more games vs. non-D3 teams.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 07, 2008, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 06, 2008, 02:02:55 PM
well all the games against non-d3 opponents is probably just about wrapped up
Quote from: smedindy on January 06, 2008, 07:02:08 PM
I don't know. Some conferences are small, so there's always some activity afoot.
I didn't check this year's schedule, but if last year is any indication, there should be over 100 more games vs. non-D3 teams.
Rhodes, I counted 624 games that you noted last year. I count 456 games that you have noted this season. That leaves another 150+ games left.
Thanks for doing this every year, and plus one! :)
Ralph: Thanks. It's nice to know that you find this to be an interesting topic.
Scores from 1/7
Hood 102, Penn State-York (other) 55
Radford (D1) 124, Emory and Henry 109
Totals through 1/7
D3 vs.
D1....1-30
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....16-30
NAIA 2....100-81
NCCAA 1....6-0
NCCAA 2....33-5
USCAA....45-14
Other....35-7
Scores from 1/8
LaGrange 81, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 71
Northland 84, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 69
Scores from 1/9
Geneseo State 67, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 66 (OT)
Nebraska Wesleyan 66, Doane (NAIA 2) 60
Wentworth Tech 79, Fisher (NAIA 2) 46
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2008, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 07, 2008, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: LogShow on January 06, 2008, 02:02:55 PM
well all the games against non-d3 opponents is probably just about wrapped up
Quote from: smedindy on January 06, 2008, 07:02:08 PM
I don't know. Some conferences are small, so there's always some activity afoot.
I didn't check this year's schedule, but if last year is any indication, there should be over 100 more games vs. non-D3 teams.
Rhodes, I counted 624 games that you noted last year. I count 456 games that you have noted this season. That leaves another 150+ games left.
Thanks for doing this every year, and plus one! :)
I stand corrected...Sounds like there is lots more games left against non-d3 opponents :)
If nothing else, Nebraska Wesleyan will always keep this area busy!
Neb Wes looks to be better this year than they've been the last couple of years. The Prairie Wolves were really beat up by the other GPAC teams last year.
Scores from 1/10
Cornell (D1) 91, Alvernia 46
Maine-Presque Isle 72, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2)71
Maryville, TN 94, Covenant (NAIA 2) 74
Piedmont 99, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 94 (OT)
St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 57, Skidmore 54
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 77, North Central, MN 68
Scores from 1/11
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 75, University of Dallas 70
Rochester Tech 72, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 71
Southeastern (NCCAA 2) 75, North Central, MN 56
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 106, Lyndon State 81
Scores from 1/12
Central Bible (NCCAA 2) 53, North Central, MN 40
Chapman 68, West Coast Bible (USCAA) 55
Dordt (NAIA 2) 65, Nebraska Wesleyan 56
Southern Vermont 98, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 94
Yale (D1) 92, Oberlin 41
every time I check this board there is always more results floating in!
Scores from 1/13
Christopher Newport 95, Maryland Bible (other) 79
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 92, Schreiner 65
Thomas 83, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 72
Rhodes do you just hunt down scores all day? Great work! +1
Quote from: LogShow on January 15, 2008, 02:13:20 AM
Rhodes do you just hunt down scores all day? Great work! +1
It keeps me out of trouble. ;D
Totals through 1/13
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....16-30
NAIA 2....107-83
NCCAA 1....8-0
NCCAA 2....34-8
USCAA....46-17
Other....37-7
Scores from 1/14
Brooklyn 89, Berkeley (other) 63
Carthage 84, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 44
Rowan 88, Penn State-Abington (other) 61
You found that missing Rust score?
Chapman beat West Coast Baptist 68-55, per the Chapman web site.
Quote from: smedindy on January 16, 2008, 05:55:14 PM
You found that missing Rust score?
Chapman beat West Coast Baptist 68-55, per the Chapman web site.
Yeah, I got the Rust score a few days back. Thanks for the Chapman @ W.C. Baptist score.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 16, 2008, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 16, 2008, 05:55:14 PM
You found that missing Rust score?
Chapman beat West Coast Baptist 68-55, per the Chapman web site.
Yeah, I got the Rust score a few days back. Thanks for the Chapman @ W.C. Baptist score.
Then please tell Pat! :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2008, 07:17:19 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 16, 2008, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 16, 2008, 05:55:14 PM
You found that missing Rust score?
Chapman beat West Coast Baptist 68-55, per the Chapman web site.
Yeah, I got the Rust score a few days back. Thanks for the Chapman @ W.C. Baptist score.
Then please tell Pat! :)
To tell you the truth I forgot where I found the score. It was either on Pat's scoreboard or Massey. Anyway the score is up on d3hoops.com's scoreboard now.
Scores from 1/15
Finlandia 100, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 65
Holy Names (NAIA 2) 88, UC Santa Cruz 58
Pillsbury Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 80, Crown 76
Penn State-York (other) 77, Lancaster Bible 66
Presentation 91, Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 77
Rose-Hulman 70, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) (OT)
Southern Vermont 96, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 78
Scores from 1/16
Maine-Presque Isle 81, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 68
Marywood 70, Penn College (other) 61
A Rust assistant coach occasionally e-mails us scores, thankfully. :)
You mean very occasionally, don't you? :)
Totals through 1/16
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....17-30
NAIA 2....108-84
NCCAA 1....8-0
NCCAA 2....36-9
USCAA....48-17
Other....40-8
Scores from 1/17
Marian 78, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 53
Maryville, TN 82, King (NAIA 2) 66
Piedmont 95, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 87 (OT)
Rust 99, Philander Smith (USCAA) 89
Widener 79, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 71
Score from 1/18
Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 63, North Central, MN 58
Scores from 1/19
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 71, Nebraska Wesleyan 67
Lyndon State 73, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 62
Scores from 1/21
Berry (NAIA 1) 79, LaGrange 75
Huntingdon 92, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 56
Montclair State 97, Berkeley (other) 29
Muskingum 80, Penn State-Allegheny (USCAA) 53
Totals through 1/21
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....17-31
NAIA 2....110-85
NCCAA 1....8-0
NCCAA 2....40-10
USCAA....50-17
Other....41-8
Oooh, Berkeley College. They're 0-12. Montclair held them to 9-48 from the floor, outrebounded them 50-34, and forced 31 turnovers. Other than that, they were competitive!
What's really funny is that this is Montclair's second win over Berkeley this year. Earlier in the season they won, 81-35. Don't know if it's correct, but Massey has Berkeley winning two games this year. One over Sarah Lawrence and the other against Pratt.
Scores from 1/22
Arcadia 77, Penn State-Hazleton (other) 50
University of Dallas 79, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 74
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 93, Lancaster Bible 65
Scores from 1/23
Fitchburg State 82, Fisher (NAIA 2) 63
Nebraska Wesleyan 69, Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 58
Scores from 1/24
Emmanuel, GA (NAIA 1) 86, LaGrange 72
Lancaster Bible 94, Penn College (other) 77
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 94, Arcadia 91 (OT)
West Coast Baptist (other) 75, La Sierra 63
Scores from 1/25
Concordia, IL 74, Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 68
Concordia, WI 82, Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 61
Totals through 1/25
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....17-33
NAIA 2....114-85
NCCAA 1....9-0
NCCAA 2....41-12
USCAA....50-18
Other....43-9
Rust against Concordia - Selma? Wow, that's going to be a tough one to crack...
Quote from: smedindy on January 26, 2008, 03:10:41 PM
Rust against Concordia - Selma? Wow, that's going to be a tough one to crack...
Concordia-Selma 74, Rust 62 (http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2008/01/23/sports/local/sport%208229.txt) ;D
As Lightning McQueen would say, "Ka-Chowwww"!!! :D
I bow down....
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 26, 2008, 03:10:41 PM
Rust against Concordia - Selma? Wow, that's going to be a tough one to crack...
Concordia-Selma 74, Rust 62 (http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2008/01/23/sports/local/sport%208229.txt) ;D
As Lightning McQueen would say, "Ka-Chowwww"!!! :D
I've heard of Steve McQueen and Lightning Hopkins but not Lightning McQueen. Anyway, thanks for the score, I'm sure this one wasn't easy to dig up.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 26, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2008, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 26, 2008, 03:10:41 PM
Rust against Concordia - Selma? Wow, that's going to be a tough one to crack...
Concordia-Selma 74, Rust 62 (http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2008/01/23/sports/local/sport%208229.txt) ;D
As Lightning McQueen would say, "Ka-Chowwww"!!! :D
I've heard of Steve McQueen and Lightning Hopkins but not Lightning McQueen. Anyway, thanks for the score, I'm sure this one wasn't easy to dig up.
You apparently do not have grandchildren who watch the Pixar's movie
Cars on DVD from sun-up to sun-down! :D
Actually the movie is typical "Disney style" animated feature with about three levels of humor going on in every scene! ROTFLMAO every time that I see some parts of it. I saw it 11 times over Christmas alone! :D ;D
Scores from 1/26
Morningside (NAIA 2) 69, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 69, Washington and Jefferson 64
Score from 1/27
Maine-Presque Isle 93, Unity (USCAA) 63
Scores from 1/28
Gallaudet 63, Christendom (USCAA) 51
Greenville 97, St. Louis Christian (NCCAA 2) 43
Houghton (NAIA 2) 66, Fredonia State 53
Maryville, TN 81, Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 62
Rust 76, Oakwood (USCAA) 71
St. Vincent 95, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 58
...And the results keep rolling in
Scores from 1/29
Lancaster Bible 89, Davis (NCCAA 2) 87
Nebraska Wesleyan 72, Dana (NAIA 2) 87
Thomas 85, Unity (USCAA) 48
Score from 1/30
Green Mountain 73, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 65
Totals through 1/30
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....17-33
NAIA 2....116-88
NCCAA 1....9-0
NCCAA 2....43-12
USCAA....56-18
Other....43-9
Ralph: Thanks once again for going the extra mile. The score was inputed and the totals adjusted.
Scores from 1/31
Baptist Bible 77, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 65
Piedmont 98, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA 2) 78
Waldorf (NAIA 2) 90, North Central, MN 45
Scores from 2/1
Finlandia 76, Rochester, MI (USCAA) 71
North Central, MN 72, Faith Baptist (NCCAA 2) 67
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 79, LaGrange 60
Scores from 2/2
Arcadia 77, Penn State-Delaware County (other) 56
Chapman 67, Hope International (NAIA 1) 66
Finlandia 103, Marygrove (USCAA) 82
Green Mountain 74, Albany Pharmacy (other) 60
Northwestern, IA (NAIA 2) 77, Nebraska Wesleyan 53
Southern Maine Community College (USCAA) 75, Lyndon State 65
Scores from 2/3
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 82, Lyndon State 57
Scores from 2/4
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 81, Principia 75
Totals through 2/4
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....18-33
NAIA 2....116-91
NCCAA 1....9-1
NCCAA 2....46-12
USCAA....58-20
Other....45-9
Scores from 2/5
Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 73, Univ. of Dallas 70
Dominican, CA (NAIA 2) 72, UC Santa Cruz 54
Lancaster Bible 94, Washington Bible (NCCAA 2) 42
Scores from 2/6
Hastings (NAIA 2) 62, Nebraska Wesleyan 53
Southeastern Bible (NCCAA 2) 81, Huntingdon 76
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 74, Eastern 71
Wilkes 96, Penn College (other) 70
Score from 2/7
Lycoming 79, Penn State-Hazelton (other) 57
Totals through 2/7
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-55
NAIA 1....18-33
NAIA 2....116-93
NCCAA 1....9-1
NCCAA 2....47-15
USCAA....58-20
Other....47-9
Scores from 2/8
Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 69, UC Santa Cruz 64
Southwestern, AZ (NCCAA 2) 83, La Sierra 80
Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 80, North Central, MN 68
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 87, Mount Aloysius 80
has any team beaten 4 scholarship schools this year or 2 or 3 or 5 etc.
I guess the basic question is "has any team beaten all of the scholarship schools they faced?"
meaning more than 1 and without a loss to a scholarship school b/c i believe some teams have split
I think Murvul has made a good run at it with 4-0 versus scholarship schools and Carson Newman is ranked in the D2 regional rankings and King is at the top of their NAIA 2 conference.
I know we always think very highly of our Murvul teams, but i think is a great accomplishment even though Covenant and Tennessee Wesleyan are terrible.
I know Nebraska Wesleyan has beaten their fair share. Of course, most of their conference is scholarship, so there's that...
Puget Sound has a number of wins against scholorship schools this year:
2-0 against D2 (Bemidji State and Cal St. Stanislaus)
1-0 against NAIA 2 (Northwest University)
1-0 against Corban (Christian College)
only loss against scholorship was to Westmont NAIA 1.
Quote from: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 02:42:21 PM
Puget Sound has a number of wins against scholorship schools this year:
2-0 against D2 (Bemidji State and Cal St. Stanislaus)
1-0 against NAIA 2 (Northwest University)
1-0 against Corban (Christian College)
only loss against scholorship was to Westmont NAIA 1.
1-0 against Corban (Christian College)
also NAIA 2 in the Cascade Conference
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2008, 03:07:55 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 11, 2008, 02:42:21 PM
Puget Sound has a number of wins against scholorship schools this year:
2-0 against D2 (Bemidji State and Cal St. Stanislaus)
1-0 against NAIA 2 (Northwest University)
1-0 against Corban (Christian College)
only loss against scholorship was to Westmont NAIA 1.
1-0 against Corban (Christian College) also NAIA 2 in the Cascade Conference
Ah yeah I was confused...Corban is NAIA 2. The Cascade Conference is more or less a quote Christian College Conference.
what do you guys think is the premier D3 over scholarship win this season?
I still like the exhibition win of RIC over Holy Cross, even though it was an exhibition
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
what do you guys think is the premier D3 over scholarship win this season?
I still like the exhibition win of RIC over Holy Cross, even though it was an exhibition
I think St. Thomas' win over perrenial DII champion Winona State is the best victory so far this season.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 11, 2008, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
what do you guys think is the premier D3 over scholarship win this season?
I still like the exhibition win of RIC over Holy Cross, even though it was an exhibition
I think St. Thomas' win over perrenial DII champion Winona State is the best victory so far this season.
I would have to agree...that was a huge win
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 11, 2008, 04:31:42 PM
I think St. Thomas' win over perrenial DII champion Winona State is the best victory so far this season.
THIS!
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2008, 02:13:21 PM
has any team beaten 4 scholarship schools this year or 2 or 3 or 5 etc.
I guess the basic question is "has any team beaten all of the scholarship schools they faced?"
meaning more than 1 and without a loss to a scholarship school b/c i believe some teams have split
Do exhibition games count? Shenandoah beat University of Maryland - Eastern Shore (UMES) 94-91 in triple OT (preseason game), Houston Baptist University, and Shippensburg University. Unfortunately, they have not figured out how to win in the USA South conference...
Scores from 2/9
Hesser (USCAA) 58, Lyndon State 56
Lake Superior State (D2) 86, Finlandia 64
Nebraska Wesleyan 70, Mount Marty (NAIA 2) 61
Oakwood (other) 92, Rust 74
UW-Platteville 80, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 56
Score from 2/10
Albany Pharmacy (other) 73, Morrisville State 71 (OT)
Score from 2/11
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 91, Huntingdon 77
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 12, 2008, 08:53:42 AM
Score from 2/10
Albany Pharmacy (other) 73, Morrisville State 71 (OT)
Must have slipped 'em all a Mickey in their water bottles...
my bad, that win over Winona State was super sick, that is one of the biggest D3 over D2 wins of all time
Quote from: smedindy on February 12, 2008, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 12, 2008, 08:53:42 AM
Score from 2/10
Albany Pharmacy (other) 73, Morrisville State 71 (OT)
Must have slipped 'em all a Mickey in their water bottles...
I never thought of that, but now that you mention it it does kind of make sense.
Gotta watch out for those pharmacy guys - I'm amazed that the St. Louis school always seems to be the butt of jokes! ;)
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2008, 10:40:02 AM
my bad, that win over Winona State was super sick, that is one of the biggest D3 over D2 wins of all time
It was a big splash that no one heard.
St. Thomas' win over Winona State is one of the best wins for a D3 team ever. That win snapped Winona State's 36-game home winning streak and is the Warriors only blemish this year (25-1). The three other D3 teams that faced Winona State this year weren't so fortunate:
Bethany Lutheran lost 119-57
St. Mary's, MN lost 118-53
UW-Stout lost 95- 68
Scores from 2/12
Buffalo State 82, Houghton (NAIA 2) 63
Chapman 91, West Coast Baptist (other) 57
Nebraska Wesleyan 63, Concordia-Nebraska (NAIA 2) 56
Totals through 2/12
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-56
NAIA 1....18-33
NAIA 2....119-94
NCCAA 1....9-2
NCCAA 2....47-18
USCAA....59-21
Other....48-11
Scores from 2/13
King's 110, Penn College (other) 82
Lehman 86, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 84
Penn State-Hazleton (other) 73, Penn State-Harrisburg 60
Scores from 2/14
Rowan 86, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 83
SUNYIT 93, Albany Pharmacy (other) 56
Score from 2/15
University of Dallas 79, Johnson & Wales (NAIA 2) 62
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 12, 2008, 09:42:20 PM
Gotta watch out for those pharmacy guys - I'm amazed that the St. Louis school always seems to be the butt of jokes! ;)
St. Louis College of Pharmacy bring those jokes upon itself, Chuck. The Eutectics are 4-20 this season, with eleven of those losses featuring final margins of over twenty points. Those four wins were over the not-quite-formidable likes of St. Louis Christian College, Concordia Seminary (twice), and Logan Chiropractic. St. Louis Christian, an NCCAA Division II team, is 9-18 on the year. Concordia Seminary is a team that, true to its name, consists of graduate students. Logan Chiropractic is a club team -- a club team that's split its two games with the Eutectics in 2007-08. Heck, the Eutectics even lost to Principia (4-16) this season.
On the other hand, I have to give it up to St. Louis College of Pharmacy for having a cool nickname for its gym. The Eutectics play in Cartwright Student Center Gymnasium, which is informally dubbed "the Pillbox."
Scores from 2/16
California Maritime (NAIA 2) 86, UC Santa Cruz 71
Finlandia 85, Northland Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 70
Philander Smith (USCAA) 105, Rust 96
Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 75, Nebraska Wesleyan 39
Score from 2/18
Penn State-Abington (other) 66, Keystone 58
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 19, 2008, 09:33:24 AM
Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 75, Nebraska Wesleyan 39
Sioux Falls is only 10-17, 7-9. If the Cougars were able to hammer Nebraska Wesleyan (13-10, 7-9) that badly, I shudder to think of how the Prairie Wolves will fare if they get a Pool B bid to the D3 tourney.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 19, 2008, 09:33:24 AM
Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 75, Nebraska Wesleyan 39
Sioux Falls is only 10-17, 7-9. If the Cougars were able to hammer Nebraska Wesleyan (13-10, 7-9) that badly, I shudder to think of how the Prairie Wolves will fare if they get a Pool B bid to the D3 tourney.
Yikes...I agree with you on that one!
Or, it could be one of THOSE games. A collective stink bomb by everyone. They fell behind early and didn't have the stuff to claw back into it. It happens.
Quote from: smedindy on February 20, 2008, 11:24:34 AM
Or, it could be one of THOSE games. A collective stink bomb by everyone. They fell behind early and didn't have the stuff to claw back into it. It happens.
True, but 34 points? Usually the team can make it respectable and keep it under 25.
Scores from 2/19
Dubuque 83, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 61
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 94, Lancaster Bible 65
West Coast Baptist (other) 76, La Sierra 73
Okay now the games against non-D3 competition have to be just about wrapping up...right?
Quote from: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 20, 2008, 11:24:34 AM
Or, it could be one of THOSE games. A collective stink bomb by everyone. They fell behind early and didn't have the stuff to claw back into it. It happens.
True, but 34 points? Usually the team can make it respectable and keep it under 25.
Oh, I've seen a team get drilled by 40 for no apparent reason. Well, I guess there WAS an apparent reason.
Quote from: smedindy on February 21, 2008, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 20, 2008, 11:24:34 AM
Or, it could be one of THOSE games. A collective stink bomb by everyone. They fell behind early and didn't have the stuff to claw back into it. It happens.
True, but 34 points? Usually the team can make it respectable and keep it under 25.
Oh, I've seen a team get drilled by 40 for no apparent reason. Well, I guess there WAS an apparent reason.
lol...would that be because they are just
that bad?
Quote from: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:54:52 PM
Okay now the games against non-D3 competition have to be just about wrapping up...right?
We're coming to the end of the line.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 22, 2008, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: LogShow on February 21, 2008, 12:54:52 PM
Okay now the games against non-D3 competition have to be just about wrapping up...right?
We're coming to the end of the line.
Your work is almost done for the year! +1 for effort in rounding up all the scores
Totals through 2/19
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....15-56
NAIA 1....18-33
NAIA 2....121-96
NCCAA 1....9-2
NCCAA 2....50-19
USCAA....59-22
Other....50-14
Scores from 2/20
Green Mountain 98, Word of Life (other) 51
New Hampshire Tech (USCAA) 90, Lyndon State 73
Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 82, Nebraska Wesleyan 60
Piedmont 111, Southeastern Bible (NCCAA 2) 97
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 23, 2008, 01:10:15 PM
Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 82, Nebraska Wesleyan 60
Another loss that makes me think that Nebraska Wesleyan isn't all that and a bag of chips. This 22-point win makes Midland Lutheran only 5-23 overall and 3-15 in the GPAC, while NWU falls to 13-12 and 7-11.
Could there be trouble brewing for Nebraska Wesleyan, or are they just coasting until the Independent tourney?
Losing to the top teams in the GPAC is understandable. Losing big to Sioux Falls and Midland Lutheran, however, should raise some flags.
Score from 2/21
Vanguard (NAIA 1) 73, Chapman 68
Is that the last non-D3 score for the year?
No, we're not done yet. When all the scores are in, I'll give the final totals.
Scores from 2/23
DeSales 75, Bloomsburg (D2) 67
Hastings (NAIA 2) 52, Nebraska Wesleyan 49
LogShow -- we occasionally have teams in the NCCAA tournaments as well, which would basically all be against non-Division III teams.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
LogShow -- we occasionally have teams in the NCCAA tournaments as well, which would basically all be against non-Division III teams.
I am not familiar with those tournaments. I am guessing the NCCAA stands for the National Christian College Athletic Association? How do D3 teams get invited to those tournaments?
Quote from: LogShow on February 25, 2008, 08:52:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
LogShow -- we occasionally have teams in the NCCAA tournaments as well, which would basically all be against non-Division III teams.
I am familiar with those tournaments. I am guessing the NCCAA stands for the National Christian College Athletic Association? How do D3 teams get invited to those tournaments?
By being members.
So they are dually associated with the NCAA-D3 and the NCCAA?
Quote from: LogShow on February 25, 2008, 08:56:22 PM
So they are dually associated with the NCAA-D3 and the NCCAA?
Yes. While not the norm, dual memberships (including w/ NAIA, etc.) are not uncommon.
They just have to declare which tourney they wish to be in, which is normally the NCCAA (or NAIA).
Quote from: smedindy on February 25, 2008, 11:29:12 PM
They just have to declare which tourney they wish to be in, which is normally the NCCAA (or NAIA).
That's something they have to do before the year starts?
Quote from: LogShow on February 26, 2008, 02:28:42 AM
Quote from: smedindy on February 25, 2008, 11:29:12 PM
They just have to declare which tourney they wish to be in, which is normally the NCCAA (or NAIA).
That's something they have to do before the year starts?
In the case of the NAIA, a dual-member school needs to declare at the start of the season whether it will compete for the NAIA tournament or for the NCAA-D3 tournament. In the case of the NCCAA, this is not necessary, since the NCCAA does not have a preseason deadline. In other words, a school that is a dual member of D3 and the NCCAA can aspire to make the D3 tourney and then choose to participate in the NCCAA tourney as a consolation prize if it does not qualify for the D3 tourney.
Thanks for the info Sager!
Score from 2/27
Davis (NCCAA 2) 87, Philadelphia Biblical 74
Score from 2/28
Crown 113, Trinity Bible (NCCAA 2) 111
Score from 2/29
North Central, MN 77, Pillsbury Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 45
Score from 3/7
Trinity Christian (NCCAA 2) 82, Greenville 53
Score from 3/8
Trinity Christian (NCCAA 2) 76, Northwestern, MN 52
Final Totals for 2008*
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....16-56
NAIA 1....18-34
NAIA 2....121-98
NCCAA 1....9-2
NCCAA 2....53-22
USCAA....59-23
Other....51-14
*Subject to revision
SLIAC's Westminister College beats first year DI SIU-E 73-72 in exhibition action.
D1 Ohio University tops Wooster 79-65 in an exhibition game yesterday. Wooster stayed reasonably close throughout, getting as close as 6 midway through the second half, despite missing its top two players (both injured and not dressed). Wooster used 14 players prior to garbage time, nine of whom were playing their first game in a Wooster uniform (eight frosh and one transfer.)
Puget Sound squares off against Eastern Washington on November 8th. Not a likely upset, but hey Puget Sound pulled it off 3 years ago against UC Riverside. A fan can hope can't he? ;D
I posted this on the UAA board a few days ago but Carnegie Mellon beat D2 Indiana University of PA last weekend.
Here's three I know of this weekend:
Clark Vs Franklin Pierce (D2)
WPI Vs UNH (D1)
RIC vs URI (D1)
Randolph Macon 73
George Mason 72
Ground rules for discussion and a decision by the gurus, especially Rhodes Scholar.
Will we count exhibition games that occur prior to the start of the D3 season?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2008, 03:05:22 PM
Ground rules for discussion and a decision by the gurus, especially Rhodes Scholar.
Will we count exhibition games that occur prior to the start of the D3 season?
I love it anytime a D3 plays with, or beats, a D1 or D2, but I don't think we can factor these games in - they don't count as real games for either team.
Isn't this an infomational site? Isn't the exhibition season win most of these D3 v. D1 games take place?
Keep them coming guys. I enjoy the info!
Quote from: fcnews on November 07, 2008, 10:12:04 AM
Isn't this an infomational site? Isn't the exhibition season win most of these D3 v. D1 games take place?
Keep them coming guys. I enjoy the info!
Yes, love the discussion, but I assumed Ralph was talking about the official records kept by Rhodes Scholar...
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 22, 2008, 08:48:54 AM
Final Totals for 2008*
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....16-56
NAIA 1....18-34
NAIA 2....121-98
NCCAA 1....9-2
NCCAA 2....53-22
USCAA....59-23
Other....51-14
*Subject to revision
Thanks Q, understandable.
Quote from: Titan Q on November 07, 2008, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: fcnews on November 07, 2008, 10:12:04 AM
Isn't this an infomational site? Isn't the exhibition season win most of these D3 v. D1 games take place?
Keep them coming guys. I enjoy the info!
Yes, love the discussion, but I assumed Ralph was talking about the official records kept by Rhodes Scholar...
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 22, 2008, 08:48:54 AM
Final Totals for 2008*
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....16-56
NAIA 1....18-34
NAIA 2....121-98
NCCAA 1....9-2
NCCAA 2....53-22
USCAA....59-23
Other....51-14
*Subject to revision
Yes! Rhodes Scholars' yeoman's work on the inter-division games is one of the best features of the website.
I've never kept track of the exhibition games because they don't have the same legitimacy as a regular season game.
Puget Sound goes down to Eastern Washington 66-90 in an exhibition game. From the looks of the stats Puget Sound was outclassed by a better opponent.
It's reported on the WIAC board that Platteville defeated Bradley tonight, 84-79.
VERY impressive! Bradley is picked for 5th (of 10) in the Missouri Valley Conference (a solidly mid-major D1 conference), and went to the title game last year in the NIT. While they lost a lot, they have two returning starters who were picked among the top 9 on the pre-season all-conference team.
Titan Q's first-place vote for UWP is lookin' good! ;)
Good win indeed -- though Bradley played in the CBI, not the NIT.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
Good win indeed -- though Bradley played in the CBI, not the NIT.
You're right - I didn't read 'The Valley' website carefully enough. Never even heard of the CBI - is it legit?
While I can understand that exhibition games don't count in the tracking done by Rhodes Scholar, I think it's interesting to note what has happened so far in exhibition season.
1) Westminster (MO) beats SIU Edwardsville which is moving up from D2 to D1 by one point, 73-72;
2) Randolph-Macon beats D1 George Mason, a team that won its conference championsip last season and was in the D1 Final Four two or three years back, also by a score of 73-72;
3) St. Mary's (MD) beats D2 Bowie State 82-75;
4) Wash U beats D2 University of Missouri Saint Louis 91-90 in 2 OTs;
5) UW Platteville beats D1 Bradley 84-79.
Not a bad showing.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2008, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
Good win indeed -- though Bradley played in the CBI, not the NIT.
You're right - I didn't read 'The Valley' website carefully enough. Never even heard of the CBI - is it legit?
Ehh, I don't know if I'd go that far. After the NCAA and NIT pick their teams, how many teams are left?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2008, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 09, 2008, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
Good win indeed -- though Bradley played in the CBI, not the NIT.
You're right - I didn't read 'The Valley' website carefully enough. Never even heard of the CBI - is it legit?
Ehh, I don't know if I'd go that far. After the NCAA and NIT pick their teams, how many teams are left?
Well, at LEAST two... Bradley and the team that beat them in said championship...! Yea! We were the second best of the rest of the rest!
Actually, the CBI looks interesting... LINK TO BRACKETS (http://www.gazellegroup.com/events/cbi/cbi_bracket08.pdf). The final was played in a 3 game series... so Bradley played 6 games in the 16 team tournament!
Yeah, it is certainly the rest of the rest! :D
Still, some pretty big names in there - there's FAR worse D1 teams that Platteville could have conquered! I'd say UWP and Randy-Mac have done D3 proud. :)
Yeah, Cincinnati played in the tournament (and lost to Bradley) thanks to Nancy Zimpfer, who has done everything to destroy the cincinnati program since she arrived on the scene. First, she fired Bob Huggins, then wouldnt sign Andy Kennedy, and because of that they lost all of their recruits. They could have had Bill Walker and OJ Mayo last year (plus the other good recruits Huggins would have brought in) but instead they have had a crappy team for the last 3 years. I hate when administration gets heavily involved in athletics.
There is a very fine line, for Administration, between to involved and burying their head in the sand. Similar to the situation at Southeast Missouri State, which will probably end with this program getting the death penalty.
I doubt that SE Missouri State would end up with the death penalty. The NCAA usually tries to avoid giving out the death penalty like the plague. Last time they did it was with SMU football in I think 1987. They haven't been to a bowl game since and they are part of the reason the Southwest Conference collpased. I would think the NCAA will punish severely but the not to the point of the death penalty.
Quote from: hugenerd on November 10, 2008, 10:39:16 AM
Yeah, Cincinnati played in the tournament (and lost to Bradley) thanks to Nancy Zimpfer, who has done everything to destroy the cincinnati program since she arrived on the scene. First, she fired Bob Huggins, then wouldnt sign Andy Kennedy, and because of that they lost all of their recruits. They could have had Bill Walker and OJ Mayo last year (plus the other good recruits Huggins would have brought in) but instead they have had a crappy team for the last 3 years. I hate when administration gets heavily involved in athletics.
I'd like proof OJ Mayo would have gone anywhere but USC.
Chat with Mayo where he gives 9-10 college choices:
http://transcripts.usatoday.com/Chats/transcript.aspx?c=100
Cincinnati, OH: O.J., Can you tell us Cincinnati Bearcat fans where your recruitment stands with UC with & without coach Huggins at the University?
O.J. Mayo: Whether coach Huggins is there, Cincinnati is still going to be on my list. I like the university.
Also an article about Mayo mentioning interest in playing for Higgins:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/24/sports/24mayo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin#
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on November 10, 2008, 04:45:34 PM
Chat with Mayo where he gives 9-10 college choices:
http://transcripts.usatoday.com/Chats/transcript.aspx?c=100
Cincinnati, OH: O.J., Can you tell us Cincinnati Bearcat fans where your recruitment stands with UC with & without coach Huggins at the University?
O.J. Mayo: Whether coach Huggins is there, Cincinnati is still going to be on my list. I like the university.
Also an article about Mayo mentioning interest in playing for Higgins:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/24/sports/24mayo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin#
Over a year passed between Huggins leaving Cinci and Mayo committing to USC...........thats drawing a pretty deep conclusion that he'd have ended up at Cinci with Huggins still there.
You asked for proof Mayo would have gone anywhere but USC, so I gave you a list of schools he considered. Of course we aren't Mayo, so we dont know exactly how strong he considered each of the others.
Your proof is the list of schools he was looking at (not to mention his connects with Huggins). I never said he would have went to Cinci. But, he probably thought about K-State for a little bit.
There's a big difference between being a school on a kids list, and a kid decommitting and going somewhere else. Mayo committed to USC before his Sr. season even began. Thats a long way from Cincinnati almost had him.
I lived in Cincy for 12 years and Huggins recruited those two since they were in 6th grade. Here is an article saying they would go play for him at UC.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20060324/ai_n16182529/pg_1
Walker followed him the KSU but Mayo said that if he was going to leave home, he might as well going to a bigger market (that is from something else I heard on local TV a while back).
Here is an espn article with the following quote "The assumption for more than a year was that Mayo would go to Cincinnati if Bob Huggins were still employed there":
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2510229
Here is another article criticizing Zimpfer: "Why now, Mrs. President, when Huggins could (and wanted to) finish out his two-year deal and get his team settled into new territory? Why now, when UC is in the middle of transitioning from Conference USA to the Big East? Why now, when Huggins was about to bring in one of the best recruiting classes ever with Cincinnati's own O.J. Mayo and teammate Bill Walker out of North College Hill High? Pardon me, but this is no Mid-American Conference they're moving to. This is the conference that sent eight schools to the Big Dance last year with high expectations to do the same again. "
http://www.e-sports.com/articles/785/1/Xs-and-Os-Huggs-and-Kisses-Goodbye/Page1.html
There was also word that Michael Beasley would have signed at UC if Huggins were still there, and Beasley did follow him to KSU. That is a potential class of Mayo, Walker and Beasley that Zimpfer kicked out the door.
If you want I can get you dozens of more links about Mayo wanting to play for Huggins in his home town of Cincinnati, but obviously none of them will say he was committed because Huggins was fired before Mayo's Junior commitment period. However, even if you dont want to believe that, Walker and Beasley would have definitely played for him at UC as they followed him to KSU.
I can concede that Mayo had interest in Cinci and Coach Huggins........but thats still a long bridge between we recruited him to we had him.
Over 1 year in the life of a star eyed 16 year old super phenom prepster is a long a winding road.
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
I can concede that Mayo had interest in Cinci and Coach Huggins........but thats still a long bridge between we recruited him to we had him.
Over 1 year in the life of a star eyed 16 year old super phenom prepster is a long a winding road.
That may be true but when you know a coach from the time you are 11 (as far as I know, could be earlier), that school is in your home town, and you are bringing in the top class in the nation (like I said, could have been Walker, Beasley and Mayo), you would think that Huggins had a better chance than anyone. Huggins, Mayo and, Walker all also we born in West Virginia. After Huggins was gone, there was no way any of those guys would go to a rebuilding program which they had no ties to (Walker and Mayo had big ties to Huggins), and Mayo wasnt even recruited by USC until after Huggins was fired (see previous link to espn article) and only really got serious about USC during Huggins 1 year hiatus from coaching (he was out of coaching in 05-06). When Huggins went to KSU it wasnt clear how strong a program he would have and it wasnt clear if the KSU campus/fans would embrace and give Mayo the attention he wanted (neither would have been an issue at UC because he is the hometown 'hero'). He went to USC for publicity and to get all the attention he could ever want, but I still think because of his family and friends he would have rather stayed home for a year if the situation would have been right. Clearly, none of this matters at this point, but it is clearly Nancy Zimpfers fault that UC didnt have the greatest recruiting class I can recall.
Quote from: hugenerd on November 11, 2008, 12:07:02 AM
Quote from: sac on November 10, 2008, 11:12:57 PM
I can concede that Mayo had interest in Cinci and Coach Huggins........but thats still a long bridge between we recruited him to we had him.
Over 1 year in the life of a star eyed 16 year old super phenom prepster is a long a winding road.
That may be true but when you know a coach from the time you are 11 (as far as I know, could be earlier), that school is in your home town, and you are bringing in the top class in the nation (like I said, could have been Walker, Beasley and Mayo), you would think that Huggins had a better chance than anyone. Huggins, Mayo and, Walker all also we born in West Virginia. After Huggins was gone, there was no way any of those guys would go to a rebuilding program which they had no ties to (Walker and Mayo had big ties to Huggins), and Mayo wasnt even recruited by USC until after Huggins was fired (see previous link to espn article) and only really got serious about USC during Huggins 1 year hiatus from coaching (he was out of coaching in 05-06). When Huggins went to KSU it wasnt clear how strong a program he would have and it wasnt clear if the KSU campus/fans would embrace and give Mayo the attention he wanted (neither would have been an issue at UC because he is the hometown 'hero'). He went to USC for publicity and to get all the attention he could ever want, but I still think because of his family and friends he would have rather stayed home for a year if the situation would have been right. Clearly, none of this matters at this point, but it is clearly Nancy Zimpfers fault that UC didnt have the greatest recruiting class I can recall.
I'll take issue with this one on two counts:
1. I don't recall the specifics of Huggin's indiscretions, but I wonder if 'fault' is the correct word for a President trying to run a University rather than a basketball factory?
2. You can't recall the UM "Fab Five"? (Which cost Michigan hugely to this day for the recruiting violations involved in assembling that group.)
Huggins was charged with DUI, which led to his dismissal. It is an offense he deserved some punishment for but after serving the university for 16 years, dismissal may have been a bit excessive. I also think his players didnt have a very good rate of graduation.
I do remember the fab five but I am younger than you think (I was about 10) and I wouldnt consider Jimmy King and Ray Jackson as elite professional level talent. Webber, Howard, and Rose all have had good careers (the were respectively drafted #1, #5 and #13 in their respective drafts). Beasley and Mayo were drafter #2 and #3 and Walker dropped to round 2 (he could have been first round without the injuries to his knees). All 3 of those guys were ranked top 5 in the 2007 recruiting class at some point. They didnt have those types of rankings back in the late 80s, early 90s.
Yeah, I think you're right on Huggin's DUI (I was thinking it was severe recruiting violations - was there some of that too?). And I seem to recall (not sure where to look it up) that the graduation rate was well below not 'very good' - wasn't it something like 3 graduates in his entire tenure? Huggins is obviously very good on the basketball front, but I'm not sure he has any place at an educational institution.
With vanishly small numbers of NBA players actually graduating from college, perhaps (alas) the Fab Five's accomplishment will be someday exceeded, but national runners-up with ALL starters being freshmen (then again as sophomores)? And I believe that 4 of the 5 are now graduates of UM. (Though not Chris Webber, perhaps the most academically-gifted of the lot, since he is persona non grata at UM for his role in the scandal.)
The first serious NCAA violations ever at UM - may they be the last.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2008, 01:05:15 AM
The first serious NCAA violations ever at UM - may they be the last.
last......I hope so, first? ...........no
The baseball team was dinged in the late 80's for violations under Head coach Bud Middaugh...........which included holding tryouts for players, and a kickback scheme in which players pocketed money from football program sales among other violations, 43 in all.
Bud lost his job in disgrace which was a shame because he was heading for a hall of fame career, the kind of coach they name stadiums after. Fisher-Middaugh Stadium was in the cards.
excerpt from an article on Barry Larkin........
But things quickly went from all-good to all-bad for the Wolverines. In the summer of 1989, shortly after Larkin, Sabo, Kamieniecki and Hal Morris left Michigan, the NCAA began to question how Michigan was able to land such stars.
Accusations swirled: Middaugh loaned players over $1,000. Middaugh cheated while recruiting.
The result? The NCAA found 43 rules violations and slapped the Michigan baseball program with two-year probation, the first time any Michigan team had ever been penalized by the NCAA for a rules violation. Middaugh resigned, and Michigan baseball hasn't been the same since.It took years and more than couple head coaches for Michigan baseball to recover. Its still not at the same level it was in the early 80's. From 1975 to 1987 Michigan won 9 Big 10 titles and went to Omaha 4 times. Since probation in 1990 Michigan has won just 3 titles, which includes the last 2 back-to-back.
Really old article from the Michigan Daily gives a bit of insight into what was happening at Michigan..........which was no different to anywhere else. Article was written shortly before then AD Tom Goss was removed.
http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1999/dec/12-13-99/news/news23.html
sac,
I had mercifully forgotten about that - thanks, Bud! :( (I think it's because EMU was a college WS regular with Bob Owchinko and Bob Welch [among others] - no way was UM gonna be second best in Washtenaw County!)
But you're right - 2nd major violations. UM is no longer pristine, but 2 in however many years the NCAA has existed still beats most major programs.
But it is bad enough that I'll get off my "holier-than-thou" high-horse.
[WOW, what thread is this? Have we ever gotten off-track! :-[]
Waiting to confirm a report from a reliable poster on the ASC board.
Mississippi College 85, Alcorn St (D1 SWAC) 81 on Nov 10th.
Neither Alcorn St nor Miss College nor the Jackson MS Clarion-Ledger has a press release.
Alcorn did beat Louisiana College 92-69 last weekend.
Scores from 11/15
Belhaven (NAIA 1) 76, Millsaps 57
Central 82, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 41
Central Missouri (D2) 82, Westminster, MO 48
Eastern Connecticut 82, Berkeley, NJ (other) 61
East Texas Baptist 80, Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 79
Fisher (NAIA 2) 92, New England College 65
Huston Tillotson (NAIA 1) 116, Concordia-Austin 102
Indiana, PA (D2) 73, Thiel 43
Kean 68, Clarion (D2) 59
Kenyon 71, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 59
Lamar (D1) 105, Louisiana College 72
Lewis and Clark 94, Corban (NAIA 2) 62
Lycoming 77, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 46
Middlebury 60, Bloomsburg (D2) 59
Minnesota State Mankato (D2) 102, Monmouth 50
Mount Saint Mary 91, Berkeley, NYC (other) 50
Oswego State 116, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 68
Richmond (D1) 81, Randolph-Macon 57
St. Michael's (D2) 78, Norwich 40
St. Vincent 126, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 39
Texas-Arlington (D1) 84, Hardin-Simmons 64
Texas-Pan American (D1) 84, Sul Ross State 59
UMBC (D1) 91, Stevenson 54
UW-Platteville 87, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 56
Virginia Intermont (NAIA 2) 103, Emory and Henry 85
Vorhees (NAIA 1) 50, Hapden-Sydney 49
Westfield State 118, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 70
Winona State (D2) 92, St. Mary's 66
+1 Rhodes! :)
Your labor of love is one of my favorite sites on these boards.
Thanks for your hard work!
Ralph: Thanks once again.
It's not really basketball season until the first Rhodes nightly rundown is posted.
Thanks again, Rhodes!
Greg: Thank you. Glad you enjoy it.
Scores from 11/16
Clarion (D2) 66, Redlands 65
Daniel Webster 86, Vaughn (other) 37
Hood 96, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 79
Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 70, Chicago 68
Johnson State 80, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 57
Marywood 82, Berkeley, NYC (other) 70
Mount Ida 88, Fisher (NAIA 2) 77
New Hampshire (D1) 101, Suffolk 50
Yeshiva 65, Berkeley, NJ (other) 48
From 11/6:
Sacramento State(D1) 63, Chapman University 54
Purchase College defeated D2 Nyack College in an exhibition game so add that to the list.
Scores from 11/17
Alfred 80, Penn State-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 49
Coe 65, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 64
Emory and Henry 88, Virginia-Wise (NAIA 2) 75
Maine Maritime 96, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 53
North Carolina Wesleyan 107, Roanoke Bible (other) 71
Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 91, Franciscan 74
Scores from 11/18
Central 66, Graceland (NAIA 2) 62
Greenville 86, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 54
Heidelberg 79, Tiffin (D2) 68
Incarnate Word (D2) 106, Howard Payne 74
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 63, Texas-Tyler 57
Keuka 79, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 52
Martin Luther 71, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 62
Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 72, George Fox 64
Northwestern State (D1) 87, East Texas Baptist 65
Ouachita Baptist (D2) 83, LeTourneau 70
Penn State-Harrisburg 83, Penn State-Mont Alto (USCAA) 64
Radford (D1) 86, Bridgewater, Va 46
Rust 122, Blue Mountain (NAIA 1) 118
SUNYIT 83, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 43
Wilkes 98, Penn Tech (USCAA) 78
Scores from 11/19
Centenary 73, Berkeley, NJ (other) 47
Central Missouri (D2) 80, Monmouth 47
Colby 93, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 66
Concordia, CA (NAIA 1) 93, Pomona-Pitzer 48
Concordia, WI 67, Silver Lake (USCAA) 62
Eastern Illinois (D1) 82, Manchester 53
Franciscan, OH 91, Penn State-Kensington (USCAA) 60
Olivet 68, Aquinas (NAIA 2) 67
San Francisco State (D2) 76, UC Santa Cruz 63
West Alabama (D2) 75, Huntingdon 61
Western Illinois (D1) 75, Eureka 57
Scores from 11/20
Hope 74, IU-South Bend (NAIA 1) 69
Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 78, Pacific 72
Puget Sound 95, Corban (NAIA 2) 84
VMI (D1) 133, Stevenson 72
William Woods (NAIA 1) 85, Principia 51
Scores from 11/21
Adams State (D2) 85, Colorado College 72
Adrian 79, Marygrove (NAIA 2) 70 (OT)
Cal Maritime (NAIA 2) 82, Maine Maritime 46
Calvin 82, Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 49
Colorado Christian (D2) 78, Dickinson 69
Daniel Webster 114, Hampshire (other) 32
Fontbonne 92, Waldorf (NAIA 2) 80
Goshen (NAIA 2) 75, Denison 62
Grinnell 134, Baptist Bible College (NCCAA 2) 98
Illinois Wesleyan 90, Taylor-Fort Wayne (UCAAA) 70
Keene State 83, Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 61
Marywood 78, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 62
McDaniel 100, Penn State-York (USCAA) 55
Michigan Tech (D2) 66, Alma 46
Mount Union 76, Penn State-New Kensington (USCAA) 40
Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA 2) 99, St. Mary's, MN 59
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 79, Olivet 70
Potsdam State 99, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 50
Randolph 88, Christendom (USCAA) 71
Rhodes 79, Rhema (USCAA) 74
Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 66, Baldwin-Wallace 61
St. Vincent 83, Penn State-Du Bois (USCAA) 61
SUNYIT 99, Albany Pharmacy (other) 58
Susquehanna 70, Penn College (USCAA) 61
Widener 106, Penn State-Delaware County (USCAA) 53
Scores from 11/22
Apprentice (USCAA) 79, Greensboro 77
Baptist Bible 82, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 68
Buena Vista 86, Dordt (NAIA 2) 66
Calvin 71, Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 61
Chadron State (D2) 82, Colorado College 61
Christopher Newport 86, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 70
Davenport (NAIA 2) 85, Eastern Mennonite 74
Defiance 78, Madonna (NAIA 2) 67
Fontbonne 70, Moody Bible (NCCAA 2) 66
Goshen (NAIA 2) 68, Hanover 62
Grinnell 138, Manhattan Christian (NCCAA 2) 101
Hope 70, Trinity Christian (NAIA 2) 65
Kalamazoo 78, Taylor-Fort Wayne (USCAA) 60
Lehman 75, Albany Pharmacy (other) 54
Loyola, LA (NAIA 1) 57, Millsaps 54
Marietta 86, Marygrove (NAIA 2) 67
Northern Michigan (D2) 80, Alma 48
Olivet 72, Andrews (USCAA) 49
Texas A&M-Kingsville (D2) 82, Texas Lutheran 71
RS - Thanks a lot for all your hard work. One of my favorite stops on this site. +1K
Quote from: fcnews on November 23, 2008, 03:24:01 PM
RS - Thanks a lot for all your hard work. One of my favorite stops on this site. +1K
Thank you. Glad you enjoy it.
Totals through 11/22
D3 vs.
D1....0-11
D2....3-17
NAIA 1....3-7
NAIA 2....25-11
NCCAA 1....0-0
NCCAA 2....5-0
USCAA....22-2
Other....10-0
Scores from 11/23
Albion 77, Madonna (NAIA 2) 64
Averett 89, Apprentice (USCAA) 80
Davenport (NAIA 2) 71, Bridgewater, VA 61
Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 75, Whittier 71
Southeastern Bible (NCCAA 2) 104, Huntingdon 90
Scores from 11/24
Cal Baptist (NAIA 1) 87, La Sierra 72
Concordia-Selma (USCAA) 96, Concordia-Austin 84
Gallaudet 80, Christendom (USCAA) 54
Hofstra (D1) 68, SUNY-Old Westbury 50
Kalamazoo 78, Marygrove (NAIA 2) 72
Maranatha Baptist 74, Emmaus (NCCAA 2) 51
Mt. Mercy (NAIA 2) 76, Dubuque 70
Northern Michigan (D2) 88, Finlandia 67
Northwest Christian (NAIA 2) 72, Linfield 70
Occidental 76, West Coast Baptist (other) 61
West Liberty State (D2) 99, Bethany 74
Didn't Bradley (D1) lose to a D3 school? So that would mean the D3's are 1-10 against D1's, not 0-11...
Quote from: d3hero on November 25, 2008, 03:33:18 PM
Didn't Bradley (D1) lose to a D3 school? So that would mean the D3's are 1-10 against D1's, not 0-11...
That was an exhibition game; not included in these tallies. (d1 George Mason also dropped an exhibition game.)
Scores from 11/25
Asbury (NAIA 2) 87, Philadelphia Bible 78
Azusa Pacific (NAIA 1) 79, La Verne 70
Bethany 83, Ohio-Eastern (other) 58
Biola (NAIA 1) 54, Whittier 46
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 75, Alma 63
Concordia, OR (NAIA 2) 92, Linfield 82 (OT)
Eastern 71, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 66
Eastern Kentucky (D1) 91, Thiel 43
Emory and Henry 101, Virginia Intermont (NAIA 2) 86
Ferris State (D2) 87, Olivet 76
Fontbonne 107, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 70
Lewis and Clark 73, Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 61
Lycoming 78, Penn Tech (USCAA) 56
Marywood 99, Penn State-Scranton (USCAA) 67
Minnesota Duluth (D2) 81, UW-Superior 76 (OT)
Nebraska Wesleyan 56, Doane (NAIA 2) 42
Pacific Lutheran 111, Walla Walla (USCAA) 76
Principia 83, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 60
Regis, CO (D2) 80, Colorado College 55
SIU Edwardsville (D1) 106, Blackburn 53
Southern Virginia (USCAA) 82, Bridgewater, VA 78
Texas-Arlington (D1) 99, Texas-Tyler 67
UC Riverside (D1) 62, Occidental 34
University of the Ozarks 91, Rhema (USCAA) 58
UW-La Crosse 73, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 52
Totals through 11/25
D3 vs.
D1....0-15
D2....3-22
NAIA 1....3-10
NAIA 2....32-18
NCCAA 1....0-0
NCCAA 2....8-1
USCAA....28-4
Other....12-0
Scores from 11/26
Carthage 82, Silver Lake (USCAA) 60
Hawaii Pacific (D2) 82, Pacific 78
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 96, UC Santa Cruz 48
Westmont (NAIA 1) 84, Texas Lutheran 60
Scores from 11/28
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 78, Calvin 73
Anderson 92, Miami-Middletown (other) 83
Carleton 80, Western New Mexico (D2) 70
Dordt (NAIA 2) 92, UW-Eau Claire 74
Drury (D2) 69, Maryville, MO 66
Hope 82, Cornerstone (NAIA 2) 74
Puget Sound 76, Dominican, CA (NAIA 2) 64
Winona State (D2) 89, Augsburg 48
Wittenberg 70, Concordia, OR (NAIA 2) 67
Scores from 11/29
Aurora 84, Miami-Middletown (other) 73
Bethany 112, Penn State-Fayette (USCAA) 31
Calvin 85, Cornerstone (NAIA 2) 82
Concordia, OR (NAIA 2) 85, Concordia-Moorhead 70
Dordt (NAIA 2) 68, UW-Oshkosh 64
Dubuque 73, Holy Cross, IN (NAIA 2) 57
Gallaudet 95, Penn State-York (USCAA) 83
Indiana-Southeast (NAIA 2) 81, Hanover 76
Lewis and Clark 90, Portland Bible (other) 61
Linfield 89, Western Oregon (NAIA 2) 74
Maryland Bible (other) 78, Penn State-Berks 55
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 82, Minnesota-Morris 78
Michigan Tech (D2) 81, Finlandia 58
Minnesota-Crookston (D2) 82, Wartburg 63
Minnesota State Mankato (D2) 84, Bethany Lutheran 45
Puget Sound 82, Cal Maritime (NAIA 2) 70
Rust 86, Wesley, MS (other) 71
Seton Hill (D2) 82, Pitt-Greensburg 75
UW-Eau Claire 82, Clarke (NAIA 2) 75
UW-River Falls 66, Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 59
Western State (D2) 77, Colorado College 70
Westminster, MO 86, Asbury (NAIA 2) 71
Winona State (D2) 75, Gustavus Adolphus 59
Totals through 11/29
D3 vs.
D1....0-15
D2....4-31
NAIA 1....3-12
NAIA 2....42-24
NCCAA 1....0-0
NCCAA 2....8-1
USCAA....31-4
Other....16-1
Scores from 11/30
Ashford (NAIA 2) 91, Rockford 86
Blackburn 89, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 87
Clarkson 86, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 50
Cornell 60, Mount Mercy (NAIA 2) 56
Edinboro (D2) 78, Thiel 69
Gallaudet 72, Maryland Bible (other) 69
Penn State-Berks 89, Penn State-York (USCAA) 77
RPI 83, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 66
UW-Platteville 92, Indiana-Southeast (NAIA 2) 73
UW-Stout 68, Minnesota-Crookston (D2) 63
Wilmington 110, Oakland City (NCCAA 1) 86
Scores from 12/1
Augustana 89, St. Ambrose (NAIA 2) 61
Austin 72, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 51
Carleton 74, Chaminade (D2) 69
Centre 74, Berea (NAIA 2) 44
Emory and Henry 107, Virginia-Wise (USCAA) 97
Loras 70, Clarke (NAIA 2) 65
Mayville State (NAIA 2) 92, Minnesota-Morris 73
Richard Stockton 100, Penn State-Abington (USCAA) 51
Rutgers-Camden 72, Berkeley, NJ (other) 36
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn 82, Pratt (other) 46
St. Vincent 78, Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 75 (OT)
Out of curiosity, I added up the totals for the last four seasons entering the 2008-09 season. This is what I come up with:
D3 vs.
D1............. 6-203, .029
D2............58-244, .192
NAIA 1..... 77-128, .376
NAIA 2.... 397-387, .506
NCCAA.... 235-59, .799
USCAA.... 253-74, .774
Other...... 160-27, .856
Great work Rhodes Scholar.
dansand: I'm glad you're interested in this topic and thanks for your input as well.
Scores from 12/2
Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 71, Trine 61
George Fox 78, Northwest Christian (NAIA 2) 76
Johnson and Wales (NAIA 2) 78, Colorado College 48
Johnson State 76, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 74
Maine Maritime 109, Unity (USCAA) 26
Nebraska Wesleyan 72, Dana (NAIA 2) 70 (OT)
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 76, Illinois Wesleyan 63
Pacific 81, Portland Bible (other) 68
Pacific Lutheran 84, Cascade (NAIA 2) 83
RPI 98, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 67
The Master's (NAIA 1) 88, Pomona-Pitzer 56
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 73, Linfield 71
Totals through 12/2
D3 vs.
D1....0-16
D2....6-32
NAIA 1....3-14
NAIA 2....54-29
NCCAA 1....1-0
NCCAA 2....9-1
USCAA....37-4
Other....20-1
D3 Maryville (TN) 95 - D2 Carson-Newman 91
Thanks for the score. This year I'm going to put all the scores given by others in my list of scores, simply because it's easier for me to do the totals.
Scores from 12/3
Elizabethtown 70, Millersville (D2) 65
Gannon (D2) 82, Allegheny 55
Green Mountain 95, Paul Smith (NAIA 2) 45
MacMurray 104, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 76
Maryville, TN 95, Carson-Newman (D2) 91
Sienna Heights (NAIA 2) 78, Adrian 71
UW-River Falls 64, Viterbo 53 (NAIA 2)
Wesleyan 79, Fisher (NAIA 2) 71
Widener 88, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 58
We're off the schneid vs. d1 - Millikin (picked dead-last in the CCIW) has just knocked off SIU-Edwardsville. :D
Final score: Big Blue 70, Very Blue 59.
The Maryville-Carson-Newman rivalry is an interesting example of the potentially good dynamics of a D3-D2 game. Both schools are in the Knoxville, TN, area though neither is in Knoxville. The schools recruit from the same high school base and a lot of the players know each other. So when Maryville wins (again, I might add), it sometimes makes a splash in the Knoxville press, which only occasionally pays much attention to the schools' basketball (mostly when Maryville goes to the NCAA tournament)
For instance:
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=2741
Scores from 12/4
Claremont-Mudd Scripps 75, Southwestern, AZ (NCCAA 2) 48
Maine (D1) 126, Maine-Presque Isle 50
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59
Maranatha Baptist 80, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA 2) 50
St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 77, Lyndon State 66
SUNY-Maritime 95, Berkeley, NJ (other) 61
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 98, Puget Sound 96
Whitworth 85, Cal State East Bay (NAIA 2) 80
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2008, 10:18:15 PM
We're off the schneid vs. d1 - Millikin (picked dead-last in the CCIW) has just knocked off SIU-Edwardsville. :D
Final score: Big Blue 70, Very Blue 59.
As was noted on the front page of the site, SIU-Edwardsville is a first-year D1 provisional so the win is somewhat diminished. SIU-Edwardsville led by nine at the half, but was outscored by 20 points in the second half. The 11-point margin of victory might be the largest against a D1 opponent in the history of this site.
Going into the game, SIU-Edwardsville was 2-5 with one win coming against D3 Blackburn and the other against Western Michigan.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2008, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2008, 10:18:15 PM
We're off the schneid vs. d1 - Millikin (picked dead-last in the CCIW) has just knocked off SIU-Edwardsville. :D
Final score: Big Blue 70, Very Blue 59.
As was noted on the front page of the site, SIU-Edwardsville is a first-year D1 provisional so the win is somewhat diminished. SIU-Edwardsville led by nine at the half, but was outscored by 20 points in the second half. The 11-point margin of victory might be the largest against a D1 opponent in the history of this site.
Going into the game, SIU-Edwardsville was 2-5 with one win coming against D3 Blackburn and the other against Western Michigan.
Yeah, I have no illusions that SIUE is a good (or even decent) d1 - I suspect they'd finish in the bottom half of the CCIW this year. Still, a d1 is a d1 on the tallies! ;)
Scores from 12/5
Colby 111, Maine-Augusta (NAIA 2) 40
Davis (other) 89, Philadelphia Bible 71
Eastern Mennonite 84, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 81
Indiana-Northwest (NAIA 2) 87, Trine 84
Maranatha Baptist 87, Kuyper (NCCAA 2) 71
Maryland Bible (other) 64, Christopher Newport 61
Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA 2) 73, Alma 64
Mount Ida 62, Fisher (NAIA 2) 51
Olivet 70, Madonna (NAIA 2) 66
Pomona-Pitzer 68, West Coast Baptist (other) 39
University of New England 96, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 85
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 67, D'Youville 63
Williamette 92, Menlo (NAIA 2) 79
Totals through 12/5
D3 vs.
D1....1-17
D2....8-33
NAIA 1....3-14
NAIA 2....63-34
NCCAA 1....1-0
NCCAA 2....13-2
USCAA....39-4
Other....22-3
Scores from 12/6
Briar Cliff (NAIA 2) 85, Neb Wesleyan 77
Ferrum 66, Davis & Elkins (D2) 63
Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 71, Maranatha Baptist 60
Kutztown (D2) 90, Penn State-Berks 49
Madonna (NAIA 2) 71, Alma 61
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 73, Maine Maritime 59
North Park 95, Indiana-Northwest (NAIA 2) 80
Norwich 73, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 51
Olivet 83, Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA 2) 73
Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 70, Albion 60
St. Martins (D2) 83, Puget Sound 78
Cedarville (NAIA 2) 80, Wittenberg 53
EDIT by dc to add Cedarville/Witt score
DC: Thanks for the input.
Scores from 12/7
Stony Brook (D1) 95, Mount Ida 40
Worcester State 87, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 79
Forgot Olivet's 83-73 win over Mich-Dearborn on 12/6 ... Also Madonna beat Alma on 12/6 ... I don't recall the score!
OC_SID: Thanks for the scores.
Scores from 12/8
Arcadia 82, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 77
Biola (NAIA 1) 67, Pomona-Pitzer 56
Jarvis Christian (NAIA 1) 70, Texas-Tyler 59
Lake Superior State (D2) 85, Finlandia 56
New Jersey City 80, Berkeley, NJ (other) 46
Thanks again for all your work Rhodes!
LogShow: Glad you like the topic.
Scores from 12/9
Concordia, MO (other) 66, Principia 63
Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 65, Presentation 64
Goucher 58, Maryland Bible (other) 54
Grace, IN (NAIA 2) 74, Manchester 64
Greenville 79, Logan Chiropractic (other) 66
Martin Luther 80, Mayville State (NAIA 2) 68
Nichols 68, Fisher (NAIA 2) 66
Portland State (D1) 77, Lewis and Clark 66
Redlands 71, West Coast Baptist (other) 59
Skidmore 105, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 54
Texas-Dallas 79, Southwest Assemblies of God (NAIA 1) 53
Scores from 12/10
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 78, Calvin 63
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 47, Nebraska Wesleyan 40
DePauw 103, Purdue-North Central (NAIA 2) 55
Green Mountain 64, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 59
Jamestown (NAIA 2) 79, Minnesota-Morris 73
McNeese State (D1) 88, Louisiana College 59
Montclair State 80, Berkeley, NJ (other) 40
Northwestern Ohio (NAIA 2) 75, Trine 48
SUNY-Cobleskill 95, Albany Pharmacy (other) 76
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 81, Penn State-Harrisburg 65
Totals through 12/10
D3 vs.
D1....1-20
D2....9-36
NAIA 1....4-16
NAIA 2....72-44
NCCAA 1....1-0
NCCAA 2....13-5
USCAA....40-4
Other....28-4
Scores from 12/11
Allegheny 84, Penn State-New Kensington (USCAA) 42
Greenville 95, Concordia, MO (other) 58
Piedmont 110, Southeastern Bible (NCCAA 2) 89
Western New England 72, Fisher (NAIA 2) 66
Scores from 12/12
Dubuque 85, Silver Lake (USCAA) 32
Evergreen State (NAIA 2) 90, Linfield 82
Hope 78, Grace Bible, MI (NCCAA 2) 64
La Verne 70, Johnson & Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 61
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA 1) 87, Carthage 73
Rochester Tech 89, Houghton (NAIA 2) 73
Rowan 99, Berkeley, NJ (other) 45
South Dakota Tech (NAIA 2) 72, Presentation 48
Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 67, Olivet 63
Wabash 80, St. Joseph's, IN (NAIA 2) 77
Williamette 79, Corban (NAIA 2) 76
Scores from 12/13
Birmingham Southern 90, Southeastern Bible (NCCAA 2) 79
Black Hills State (NAIA 2) 86, Presentation 72
Buena Vista 66, Grand View (NAIA 2) 59
Corban (NAIA 2) 70, Linfield 67
Davenport (NAIA 2) 73, Trine 64
Ecclesia (NCCAA 1) 76, University of the Ozarks 72
Green Mountain 79, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 64
Hope 65, Marygrove (NAIA 2) 49
Hope International (NAIA 1) 74, Pomona-Pitzer 68
Louisiana-Lafayette (D1) 85, Louisiana College 58
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 87, Maine Maritime 76
Marian, IN (NAIA 2) 74, Wabash 62
Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA 2) 88, Kenyon 53
Northwest, WA (NAIA 2) 76, George Fox 64
Northwest Christian (NAIA 2) 69, Pacific 62
St. Martin's (D2) 99, Pacific Lutheran 77
Thomas 72, Fisher (NAIA 2) 63
Trinity Christian (NAIA 2) 73, Calvin 65
Waldorf (NAIA 2) 117, Grinnell 106
Westfield State 70, Houghton (NAIA 2) 54
Another score from 12/13:
Hope International 74 (NAIA 1), Pomona-Pitzer 68
OxyBob
OxyBob: Thanks for the score.
Totals through 12/13
D3 vs.
D1....1-21
D2....9-37
NAIA 1....4-18
NAIA 2....81-57
NCCAA 1....1-1
NCCAA 2....16-5
USCAA....43-4
Other....30-4
Score from 12/14
Dartmouth (D1) 96, Plymouth State 47
Scores from 12/15
Buena Vista 82, Clarke (NAIA 2) 71
Gallaudet 103, Johnson Bible (NCCAA 2) 74
Simpson 63, Grand View (NAIA 2) 62
Virginia Wesleyan 84, Apprentice (USCAA) 71
Scores from 12/16
Dominican 83, Johnson & Wales, FL (NAIA 2) 81
Pacific 92, Concordia, OR (NAIA 2) 89
Southeastern Louisiana (D1) 81, Millsaps 56
Whitworth 89, Red Deer (other) 53
Scores from 12/17
Dubuque 76, Clarke (NAIA 2) 67
Mount St. Joseph 78, Cincinnati Christian (NCCAA 1) 65
Totals through 12/17
D3 vs.
D1....1-23
D2....9-37
NAIA 1....4-18
NAIA 2....86-57
NCCAA 1....2-1
NCCAA 2....17-5
USCAA....44-4
Other....31-4
Scores from 12/18
Blackburn 75, Concordia, MO (other) 64
Capital 77, Ohio Dominican (NAIA 2) 63
Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 88, Northwestern, MN 84
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 94, Presentation 69
Hendrix 83, Central Baptist (NCCAA 1) 76 (OT)
Minnesota State Mankato (D2) 107, MacMurray 73
St. Thomas, FL (NAIA 2) 78, Dominican 65
UW-Whitewater 90, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA 2) 68
Scores from 12/19
Cal Baptist (NAIA 1) 89, St. Vincent 85 (OT)
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 72, Blackburn 62
Hawaii-Hilo (D2) 90, Wooster 77
Walsh (NAIA 2) 79, Wentworth 55
From 12/20, two more scores for your list:
Cal State LA (D2) 77, La Verne 66
Concordia-Irvine (NAIA 1) 95, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 74
OxyBob
OxyBob: Thanks once again for the scores.
Scores from 12/20
Aquinas (NAIA 2) 62, Hope 57
Cal State LA (D2) 77, La Verne 66
Concordia-Irvine (NAIA 1) 95, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 74
Gardner-Webb (D1) 85, Ferrum 51
Hampden-Sydney 57, Maryland Bible (other) 54
Indiana State (D1) 66, DePauw 60
Southern Indiana (D2) 92, Maryville, MO 55
UW-River Falls 82, Bemidji State (D2) 77
Wilkes 97, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 73
William & Mary (D1) 83, Haverford 50
Winston-Salem (D1) 68, Averett 53
Score from 12/21:
Cal Lutheran 63, Fisher College (MA) (NAIA 2) 54
OxyBob
OxyBob: Thanks again.
Scores from 12/21
Cal Lutheran 63, Fisher College, MA (NAIA 2) 54
Hawaii Hilo (D2) 98, Illinois College 72
Hawaii Pacific (D2) 79, Coe 72
UW-Stout 70, College of the Ozarks (NAIA 2) 64 (OT)
Scores from 12/22
Berea (NAIA 2) 85, Transylvannia 80 (OT)
Notre Dame, OH (NAIA 2) 99, Waynesburg 71
Occidental 73, Fisher (NAIA 2) 70
Totals through 12/22
D3 vs.
D1....1-27
D2....10-44
NAIA 1....5-20
NAIA 2....91-63
NCCAA 1....3-1
NCCAA 2....17-5
USCAA....45-5
Other....33-4
Dec. 28:
at Harvard (D1) 94
Daniel Webster 51
http://www.gocrimson.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=41123&SPID=3681&DB_OEM_ID=9000&ATCLID=3637794
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/DWEB/mens/2009
T990: Thanks for the input.
Scores from 12/27
Incarnate Word (D2) 93, Howard Payne 67
Radford (D1) 104, Shenandoah 66
Scores from 12/28
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 86, Concordia, WI 62
Harvard (D1) 94, Daniel Webster 51
Scores from 12/29
Brevard (D2) 89, Emory and Henry 73
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 96, Fitchburg State 80
George Fox 80, Corban (NAIA 2) 74
Hope 94, Davenport (NAIA 2) 61
Northern Michigan (D2) 80, Northland 38
Ripon 64, Queens, Ontario (other) 54
St. Xavier (NAIA 1) 74, Illinois Wesleyan 72
Taylor, IN (NAIA 2) 58, Wittenberg 56
UW-La Crosse 95, Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 63
Viterbo (NAIA 2) 81, Bethany Lutheran 66
Warner Pacific (NAIA 2) 87, Whitman 67
Wartburg 74, Jamestown (NAIA 2) 68
Westmont (NAIA 1) 76, Messiah 61
Williamette 95, Southern Oregon (NAIA 2) 81
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 30, 2008, 11:31:45 AM
Scores from 12/29
Wilmington 89, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 58
I'm not sure that Clermont should count as they are a D3 provisional this year.
pabegg: Thanks for the info. I'll make some corrections.
Rhodes, here is a game from early in the year that I don't think is being counted in the NAIA I wins column...
Hope 74
IU-South Bend 69
(11/20)
http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/winter.html#mbball
Score from 12/30:
Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 81, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 74
SCIAC falls to 0-8 against the GSAC. Rats.
Chapman has two more shots at them in February.
OxyBob
Score from 12/30:
Northwood, Mich. (D2) 84, Olivet 66
Titan Q, OxyBob, and OC_SID: Thanks for the scores.
Scores from 12/30
Bluffton 82, Wright State-Lake (other) 67
Glenville State (D2) 97, Waynesburg 68
Grove City 74, Ohio State Lima (other) 42
Illinois Wesleyan 82, Missouri Baptist (NAIA 1) 73
Loras 69, Ashford (NAIA 2) 60
Marietta 76, Brevard (D2) 72
Minnesota Duluth (D2) 100, Northland 66
Northwestern, MN 65, Jamestown (NAIA 2) 56
Northwood (D2) 84, Olivet 66
Prairie View A&M (D1) 60, Schreiner 42
Queens, Ontario (other) 70, Messiah 64
South Dakota (D1) 77, St. Olaf 61
St. Cloud State (D2) 82, St. Mary's, MN 56
St. Loma Nazarene (NAIA 1) 81, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 74
St. Thomas 72, Concordia-St. Paul (D2) 69 (OT)
Texas State (D1) 112, McMurry 70
Valparaiso (D1) 78, North Park 47
Westmont (NAIA 1) 80, Ripon 38
Wheaton, IL 62, Taylor, IN (NAIA 2) 46
Score from 1/1
Abilene Christian (D2) 99, Howard Payne 61
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 02, 2009, 11:33:12 AM
South Dakota (D2) 77, St. Olaf 61
South Dakota's a D1 school now.
NOTE: Upcoming game Saturday at 2PM: MIT at Yale (D1).
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Quote from: T990 on January 03, 2009, 12:10:14 AM
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MIT played well in my opinion. They end up losing by 23, though, but it was pretty close for most of the game (it was still a 10 point game with 14 minutes left in the second half). Yale just had too much size and depth (MIT really only has a 7 man rotation and no true big men). Jimmy Bartolotta put up 32 points (he had nearly 20 points more than anyone else in the game), as well as 3 blocks, 3 steals, and 2 assists.
Dec 30
D-1 Prairie View A&M 60, Schreiner 42 (http://www.swac.org/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/123108aaa.html)
Jan 2
NAIA-1 Wiley 84, ETBU 79 (http://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2008/010309_web_etbubb_spo.html)
Jan 3
Miss College 89, Wesley (Mississippi) 77 (http://www.ascsports.org/schedules.asp?id=298&path=mbball)
Cornell (D1) 99
Ursinus 45
http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090104/BLOGS04/301040005/1002/rss
Greg, T990, hugenerd, and Ralph: Thanks for the input.
Jan. 3 Maryville (TN) D3 90 - Bryan College (TN) NAIA 85, in OT
scottiedoug: Thanks for the score.
Scores from 1/2
Eastern Connecticut 87, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 84 (OT)
Northwood, FL (NAIA 2) 81, Emmanuel 72
Roanoke 106, Penn State-Abington (USCAA) 55
Wiley (NAIA 1) 84, East Texas Baptist 79
Scores from 1/3
Baruch 77, Covenant (NAIA 2) 51
Biola (NAIA 1) 67, Redlands 47
Christopher Newport 72, Maryland Bible (other) 59
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 98, Wisconsin Lutheran 77
Emmanuel 74, Palm Beach Atlantic (NAIA 2) 72
Greensboro 92, Penn State-Abington (USCAA) 52
Louisiana College 80, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 61
Maryville, TN 90, Bryan (NAIA 2) 85
Mississippi College 89, Wesley, MS (NCCAA 2) 77
Morningside (NAIA 2) 73, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
Suffolk 67, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 63
Texas State (D1) 98, Schreiner 57
Western New Mexico (D2) 114, Sul Ross State 86
William Jewell (NAIA 2) 83, Wesley 77
Score from 1/4
Millikin 55, Maryland Bible (other) 54
Totals through 1/4
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-53
NAIA 1....6-26
NAIA 2....104-72
NCCAA 1....4-1
NCCAA 2....18-5
USCAA....47-5
Other....38-5
at D2 Southern Ark 66, LeTU 63 (http://www.saumag.edu/athletics/content/basketball/archive/2008-2009/saum12.htm)
Ralph: Thanks for the score.
Scores from 1/5
Carthage 71, Trinity International (NAIA 2) 67
Mississippi College 68, Belhaven (NAIA 1) 65
North Carolina Wesleyan 104, Penn State-Brandywine (USCAA) 60
Piedmont 83, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 75
Rowan 78, Penn State-York (USCAA) 62
Southern Arkansas (D2) 66, LeTourneau 63
Whitman 110, Walla Walla (NAIA 2) 72
William Jewell (NAIA 2) 74, Westfield State 48
Scores from 1/6
Drew 72, Berkeley, NJ (other) 58
Fisher (NAIA 2) 86, Wentworth 83
LaGrange 83, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 72
UC Santa Cruz 80, William Jessup (NAIA 2) 79
Valley City State (NAIA 2) 79, Minnesota Morris 61
Scores from 1/7
Castleton State 70, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 64
Curry 87, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 76
Nebraska Wesleyan 69, Doane (NAIA 2) 68 (OT)
Westminster, MO 81, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 67
Does anyone know if Doane and/or Lincoln Christian are currently NCAA D3 provisionals?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 08, 2009, 10:19:24 AM
Does anyone know if Doane and/or Lincoln Christian are currently NCAA D3 provisionals?
Lincoln Christian is no longer in the "
Provisional Pipeline" (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/resources/file/ebbc31098a73078/2008-09%20Provisional%2C%20Reclass%20%26%20Exploratory%20Chart.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&attachment=true). :)
Doane should start next year.
Ralph: Thanks for the response.
Totals through 1/7
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-54
NAIA 1....7-26
NAIA 2....110-75
NCCAA 1....6-1
NCCAA 2....19-5
USCAA....49-5
Other....39-5
Scores from 1/8
Concordia, MO (other) 69, Principia 58
Lancaster Bible 89, Multnomah Bible (NCCAA 2) 71
Malone (NAIA 2) 93, Geneva 69
West Coast Baptist (other) 89, Vassar 81
Scores from 1/9
Eastern 78, Penn State-Brandywine (USCAA) 54
Johnson State 66, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 42
Lakeland 65, Silver Lake (USCAA) 58
Scores from 1/10
Nebraska Wesleyan 68, Dordt (NAIA 2) 61
Southwestern, AZ (other) 85, Lancaster Bible 72
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 12, 2009, 10:28:54 AM
Scores from 1/10
Nebraska Wesleyan 68, Dordt (NAIA 2) 68
What, no OT? :o :D
(I assume a typo?)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 12, 2009, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 12, 2009, 10:28:54 AM
Scores from 1/10
Nebraska Wesleyan 68, Dordt (NAIA 2) 68
What, no OT? :o :D
(I assume a typo?)
Maybe, maybe not. Marquette High School in Milwaukee had 50-50 tie earlier this year at a game in Indianapolis when the roof started leaking with two minutes left. The coaches decided to let the score stand.
Mr. Ypsi: It definitely was a typo. Thanks for pointing it out.
hickory_cornhusker: No leaky roof and no tie on this one.
Totals through 1/10
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-54
NAIA 1....7-26
NAIA 2....112-76
NCCAA 1....6-1
NCCAA 2....20-5
USCAA....51-5
Other....39-8
Score from 1/11
RPI 79, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 58
Scores from 1/12
Eastern Mennonite 80, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 71
LaGrange 76, Covenant (NAIA 2) 74
Lakeland 76, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 56
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 81, Greenville 75
Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 71, Geneva 66
Rowan 92, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 41
Wisconsin Lutheran 84, Silver Lake (USCAA) 68
Scores from 1/13
Marywood 79, Penn State-Schuykill (USCAA) 70
North Carolina Wesleyan 108, Roanoke Bible (other) 47
Piedmont 107, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA 2) 64
Presentation 89, Nebraska Christian (other) 66
Seattle (D2) 85, Linfield 40
Scores from 1/14
Minnestota State-Moorhead (D2) 95, Crown 43
Penn State-Harrisburg 89, Penn State-York (USCAA) 79
Scranton 70, Penn State-Hazelton (USCAA) 53
St. John Fisher 72, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 55
Totals through 1/14
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-56
NAIA 1....7-26
NAIA 2....115-76
NCCAA 1....6-1
NCCAA 2....22-6
USCAA....57-7
Other....41-8
Score from 1/15
St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 85, Southern Vermont 73
Scores from 1/16
New Hampshire Tech (USCAA) 78, Lyndon State 65
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 74, Keuka 58
Scores from 1/17
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 78, Blackburn 70
Lyndon State 98, Maine-Augusta (NAIA 2) 86
Pacific Union (NAIA 2) 74, UC Santa Cruz 64 (OT)
Rochester Tech 68, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 53
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 81, Maine-Presque Isle 70
Scores from 1/18
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 77, Nebraska Wesleyan 64
St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 85, Maine-Presque Isle 66
Scores from 1/19
Alfred 82, Albany Pharmacy (other) 55
Berry (NAIA 1) 90, LaGrange 72
Huntingdon 81, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 56
Lancaster Bible 55, Penn State-Brandywine (USCAA) 52
SIU Edwardsville (D1) 88, Greenville 55
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA 2) 65, Principia 56
UC Santa Cruz 81, CSU Maritime (NAIA 2) 68
Totals through 1/19
D3 vs.
D1....1-35
D2....12-56
NAIA 1....7-27
NAIA 2....118-82
NCCAA 1....6-1
NCCAA 2....23-7
USCAA....58-9
Other....42-8
Scores from 1/20
Finlandia 85, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 70
Rose-Hulman 80, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 70
Scores from 1/21
Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 63, Nebraska Wesleyan 57
Morrisville State 75, Albany Pharmacy (other) 57
St. Josephs, Brooklyn 80, Vaughn (other) 41
SUNY-Cobleskill 59, Word of Life (other) 57
Waynesburg 74, Penn State-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 71
Scores from 1/22
Indiana-Northwest (NAIA 2) 108, Greenville 105
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 81, Philadelphia Bible 71
Agreed...
When Williams beat Holy Cross early this decade, it really showed that there is very little upside for a D-1 school to schedule a D-3 team.
Scores from 1/24
Gallaudet 71, Maryland Bible (other) 70 (OT)
Maine-Presque Isle 90, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 86
Northwestern, IA (NAIA 2) 70, Nebraska Wesleyan 61
Silver Lake (USCAA) 87, Finlandia 76
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn 70, Albany Pharmacy (other) 58
Wartburg 105, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 46
Score from 1/25
Maine-Presque Isle 106, SUNY-Canton (NAIA 2) 100
Break up UMPI!! :D
TWO wins in one weekend! :o
Totals through 1/25
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-56
NAIA 1....7-26
NAIA 2....117-79
NCCAA 1....6-1
NCCAA 2....24-7
USCAA....59-8
Other....46-8
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2009, 07:05:38 PM
Break up UMPI!! :D
TWO wins in one weekend! :o
It's going to be tough to keep the win streak going. UMPI's next game is on the road against Fisher, a team that beat them 115-74 earler in the season.
Scores from 1/26
Gallaudet 67, Christendom (USCAA) 39
UW-Stevens Point 92, Viterbo (NAIA 2) 40
Scores from 1/27
Huntingdon 81, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 62
Minnesota-Morris 82, Trinity Bible, ND (NCCAA 2) 55
UW-Stout 72, Silver Lake (USCAA) 60
Score from 1/28
Dana (NAIA 2) 72, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
Scores from 1/29
Eastern Mennonite 105, Washington Bible (NCCAA 2) 38
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn 99, Sarah Lawrence (other) 51
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 91, Lancaster Bible 72
Scores from 1/30
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 87, Concordia, IL 66
Concordia, WI 60, Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 47
Huntingdon 75, Concordia-Selma (USCAA) 68
Totals through 1/30
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-56
NAIA 1....7-26
NAIA 2....119-81
NCCAA 1....7-1
NCCAA 2....26-8
USCAA....62-8
Other....47-8
Scores from 1/31
Bethany, CA (NAIA 2) 94, UC Santa Cruz 82
Concordia, IL 66, Concordia, MI (NAIA 2) 64
Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 61, Concordia, WI 60
Fisher (NAIA 2) 94, Maine-Presque Isle 72
Kings 108, Penn Tech (USCAA) 65
Morningside (NAIA 2) 67, Nebraska Wesleyan 64
North Central, MN 82, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 55
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn 72, Berkeley, NY (other) 60
University of Dallas 74, Johnson & Wales, CO (NAIA 2) 62
Score from 2/1
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 89, Maine-Presque Isle 73
Scores from 2/2
Grinnell 126, William Penn (NAIA 2) 101
Rust 88, Concordia-Selma (USCAA) 81
Scores from 2/3
Huntingdon 95, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA 2) 69
La Sierra 77, West Coast Baptist (other) 64
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 82, Blackburn 65
Scores from 2/4
Hastings (NAIA 2) 56, Nebraska Wesleyan 53
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 95, Maine-Presque Isle 60
Rust 73, Philander Smith (USCAA) 67
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 78, TCNJ 76
Totals through 2/4
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-56
NAIA 1....7-26
NAIA 2....122-88
NCCAA 1....7-1
NCCAA 2....28-10
USCAA....65-8
Other....49-8
Scores from 2/5
Cazenovia 80, Albany Pharmacy (other) 67
Chapman 64, West Coast Baptist (other) 40
North Central, MN 100, Crossroads (other) 55
Randolph 83, Patrick Henry (other) 18
St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 73, Johnson State 66
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 06, 2009, 10:25:08 AM
Randolph 83, Patrick Henry (other) 18
Randolph apparently didn't give Patrick Henry "liberty" as an option. ;)
2/5 score:
West Coast Baptist (PCAC) 40 - Chapman 64
Quote from: oldchap on February 06, 2009, 03:20:46 PM
2/5 score:
West Coast Baptist (PCAC) 40 - Chapman 64
Thanks for the missing score.
Scores from 2/7
LeMoyne-Owen (D2) 89, Rust 75
Mount Marty (NAIA 2) 71, Nebraska Wesleyan 57
Rutgers-Camden 85, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 78
2/9 score
Maryville (TN) 89 - Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 63
Score from 2/8
Maine-Augusta (NAIA 2) 97, Maine-Presque Isle 93
Scores from 2/9
Chapman 82, Golden State Baptist (other) 37
Maryville, TN 89, Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 63
Ohio-Eastern (other) 79, Franciscan, OH 65
Here is another one from 2/9
Golden State Baptist (PCAC) 37 - Chapman 82
Quote from: oldchap on February 11, 2009, 01:30:54 AM
Here is another one from 2/9
Golden State Baptist (PCAC) 37 - Chapman 82
Thanks for the score.
From 2/12:
Chapman 68, Hope International(GSAC NAIA Div. 1) 61
Scores from 2/10
Houghton (NAIA 2) 63, Fredonia State 57
Northland 76, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 75
Scores from 2/11
Maine-Machias (NAIA 2) 94, Maine-Presque Isle 75
Montclair State 82, Berkeley, NJ (other) 51
Nebraska Wesleyan 66, Concordia, NE (NAIA 2) 59
UC Santa Cruz 73, Cal State-East Bay (NAIA 2) 69
Quote from: elfinley on February 13, 2009, 01:11:03 AM
From 2/12:
Chapman 68, Hope International(GSAC NAIA Div. 1) 61
Thanks for the score.
Scores from 2/12
Chapman 68, Hope International (NAIA 1) 61
Oakwood (USCAA) 75, Huntingdon 73
Rivier 73, Hampshire (other) 34
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 09, 2009, 11:24:01 PM
2/9 score
Maryville (TN) 89 - Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 63
Thanks for the score.
Totals through 2/12
D3 vs.
D1....1-34
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....8-26
NAIA 2....125-93
NCCAA 1....7-1
NCCAA 2....30-10
USCAA....65-9
Other....56-9
Scores from 2/13
Davis (other) 81, Lancaster Bible 79
North Central, MN 103, Trinity Bible, ND (NCCAA 2) 76
Rust 105, Philander Smith (USCAA) 76
Scores from 2/14
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 93, Principia 72
Nebraska Wesleyan 75, Sioux Falls (NAIA 2) 58
Pacific 96, Multnomah Bible (NCCAA 2) 81
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 77, Arcadia 70
2-16
Maryville (TN) D3 93 - Covenant (NAIA 2) 76
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 17, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
2-16
Maryville (TN) D3 93 - Covenant (NAIA 2) 76
Thanks for the score.
Scores from 2/15
St. Joseph's, Brooklyn 85, Culinary Institute (other) 77
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 106, Maine-Presque Isle 76
Scores from 2/16
Geneva 97, Penn State-Beaver (USCAA) 71
Maryville, TN 93, Covenant (NAIA 2) 76
North Dakota (D1) 77, Hamline 60
Wittenberg 80, Indiana-East (NAIA 2) 69
Totals through 2/16
D3 vs.
D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....8-26
NAIA 2....128-93
NCCAA 1....7-1
NCCAA 2....32-12
USCAA....67-10
Other....57-10
You're missing one I think from 2/17
Chapman 78 - West Coast Baptist (PCAC) 62
Quote from: oldchap on February 18, 2009, 08:49:30 PM
You're missing one I think from 2/17
Chapman 78 - West Coast Baptist (PCAC) 62
Thanks for the score.
Scores from 2/17
Chapman 78, West Coast Baptist (other) 62
Lyndon State 86, St. Joseph, VT (NAIA 2) 76
Midland Lutheran (NAIA 2) 72, Nebraska Wesleyan 60
Presentation 77, Trinity Bible, ND (NCCAA 2) 57
University of Dallas 73, Dallas Christian (NCCAA 2) 68
Scores from 2/18
Medgar Evers 72, Pratt (other) 40
Penn State-Berks 76, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 71
Score from 2/19:
Chapman 71, Vanguard(NAIA Div. 1) 58
Quote from: elfinley on February 20, 2009, 01:50:10 AM
Score from 2/19:
Chapman 71, Vanguard(NAIA Div. 1) 58
Thanks for the score.
Scores from 2/19
Chapman 71, Vanguard (NAIA 1) 58
Eureka 87, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA 2) 70
Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 91, Maranatha Baptist 44
Rhodes, your job for the year is almost done...great work this year!
Quote from: LogShow on February 21, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
Rhodes, your job for the year is almost done...great work this year!
Thanks a lot.
Score from 2/20
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 79, Lancaster Bible 57
Scores from 2/21
Finlandia 81, Northland Baptist (NCCAA 2) 78
Hastings (NAIA 2) 65, Nebraska Wesleyan 54
Maine-Presque Isle 77, Paul Smith's (NAIA 2) 54
North Central, MN 90, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA 2) 52
Oakwood (USCAA) 63, Huntingdon 62
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA 1) 94, LaGrange 61
St. Joseph's, BK 82, Culinary Institute (other) 63
Scores from 2/22
Berkeley, NJ (other) 75, St. Joseph's, BK 71
SUNY Canton (NAIA 2) 94, Maine-Presque Isle 70
Scores from 2/24
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA 2) 97, Maine-Presque Isle 71
Warren Wilson (USCAA) 81, Piedmont 68
Score from 2/26
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA 2) 79, Philadelphia Biblical 66
Final Totals for 2009 (subject to revision)
D3 vs.
D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....9-26
NAIA 2....130-97
NCCAA 1....7-2
NCCAA 2....38-15
USCAA....67-12
Other....60-11
Thanks for another season of logging the interdivisional results, Rhodes.
How does this year stack up with other years? I ask because I'm too lazy to look up. :-\
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 07, 2006, 05:09:28 PM
Totals through regular season*
D3 vs.
D1...2-66
D2...22-68
NAIA 1...22-31
NAIA 2...119-118
NCCAA...72-9
USCAA...75-18
Other...37-2
*Subject to revision. There are missing scores, but far fewer than those of previous years.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 24, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....90-101
NCCAA 1....8-7
NCCAA 2....56-12
USCAA....51-26
Other....72-11
(Totals through 2/23)
Final totals for 2006-07 season
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 22, 2008, 08:48:54 AM
Final Totals for 2008*
D3 vs.
D1....1-32
D2....16-56
NAIA 1....18-34
NAIA 2....121-98
NCCAA 1....9-2
NCCAA 2....53-22
USCAA....59-23
Other....51-14
*Subject to revision
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 07, 2009, 06:21:40 PM
Final Totals for 2009 (subject to revision)
D3 vs.
D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....9-26
NAIA 2....130-97
NCCAA 1....7-2
NCCAA 2....38-15
USCAA....67-12
Other....60-11
I had not realized NAIA II had a year where they won more D3 matchups. Thanks Ralph.
Has there ever been any thought given to an "end of year" tournament between the lower divisions in college basketball? Taking the Champions from each classification and having a mini-tournament seems like it would generate some interest.
Interest perhaps, but could you imagine the NCAA the giving the blessing for something like that?
No SHOT
I seem to remember that back in the early '90s there was a Tournament of Champions held in Alaska at the beginning of the season that featured the previous spring's D2, D3, NAIA-1, and NAIA-2 national champions, back when both the NCAA and NAIA granted length-of-season exemptions to games played in Alaska and Hawaii. But perhaps I'm just imagining that it ever got past the discussion stage, because I can't find any online references to this Tournament of Champions. Even if it actually took place, it couldn't have lasted more than a year or two.
Exhibition: Boise State 111 Willamette 72 (http://www.willamette.edu/athletics/news/article/2009/11/boise_state_defeats_willamette_in_exhibition_game_11172.xml)
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on March 24, 2009, 09:55:16 AM
Has there ever been any thought given to an "end of year" tournament between the lower divisions in college basketball? Taking the Champions from each classification and having a mini-tournament seems like it would generate some interest.
I had a fun chat with someone about this for basketball yesterday...
An fyi for those who don't follow all d3 sports: In tennis, the ITA has a fall/winter semester championship tournament for small colleges (Juco, NAIA, d3, d2), taking those champions from the lower divisions and putting them in brackets and such. I believe the winner of that then goes to the national indoor championship tourney with the big boys/girls in d1. Its pretty good stuff.
http://www.itatennis.com/Events/ITANationalChampionships/SmallCollege.htm
News release from Old Dominion Atlectic Conference:
November 4, 2009
R-MC Knocks Off American in Exhibition
Eric Pugh's lay up as time expired sent Randolph-Macon to a 49-47 victory over defending Patriot League Champion American University in men's basketball exhibition action on Tuesday night in Washington, D.C. It's marks R-MC's second preseason win over a D-I program in the last two years.
FYI, all fans of this room.....
The guru of D3 vs everyone else activity, Rhodes Scholar, has applied for and been granted a sabbatical from this room for the year, and has asked me to take over his duties. As I was already well into a program to monitor D3 data on a national basis this year, I have accepted. I should have most results posted on a next day basis and win-loss records up with some regularity. As I will be running from a download, I may repeat scores if any of you post intriguing results of individual games before I do - feel free to do so, no harm if I repeat games in my list.
Exhibition: D1 Kent State 76 Wooster 59
Wooster led this game early 21-11 and only trailed 35-30 at halftime. KSU defense was too tough in the 2nd half.
Thanks for agreeing to fill in for Rhodes, Hopefan.
Write it down. MIT will beat Harvard Dec. 28.
To wet the appetite, here are the D3 vs D1 games scheduled - this may not be 100% accurate as changes to schedules may have occurred after I entered into data... somebody needs to give me some hints on formatting columns?
11/15/2009 | Hiram | NCAC | Youngstown State |
11/16/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | Louisiana-Lafayette |
11/16/2009 | MacMurray | SLIAC | Arkansas St. |
11/16/2009 | Mount St. Mary | SKY | Stony Brook |
11/16/2009 | St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) | IND | New Jersey Tech |
11/16/2009 | Wilmington | OAC | Cleveland St. |
11/17/2009 | Lynchburg | ODAC | Radford |
11/17/2009 | Mary Washington | CAC | Gardner-Webb |
11/17/2009 | Whitman | NWC | EasternWashington |
11/18/2009 | North Carolina Wesleyan | USAC | North Carolina Central |
11/19/2009 | LaVerne | SCIAC | Cal-Riverside |
11/21/2009 | Eureka | SLIAC | Eastern Illinois |
11/21/2009 | Hampden-Sydney | ODAC | High Point |
11/21/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | McNeese State |
11/21/2009 | Methodist | USAC | Gardner-Webb |
11/22/2009 | Hardin-Simmons | ASC | Baylor |
11/24/2009 | Mary Washington | CAC | Delaware State |
11/28/2009 | Millsaps | SCAC | SE Louisiana |
11/30/2009 | Lynchburg | ODAC | VMI |
12/3/2009 | SUNY-Cobleskill | NEAC | New Jersey Tech |
12/9/2009 | Augustana | CCIW | Gonzaga |
12/9/2009 | Linfield | NWC | Portland State |
12/9/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | Lamar |
12/9/2009 | Maine-Presque Isle | IND | Maine |
12/10/2009 | Piedmont | GSAC | Mercer |
12/12/2009 | Bridgewater (Va.) | ODAC | Coastal Carolina |
12/12/2009 | Occidental | SCIAC | Cal State-Fullerton |
12/12/2009 | Randolph-Macon | ODAC | VMI |
12/13/2009 | Lyndon State | NAC | Dartmouth |
12/13/2009 | Roanoke | ODAC | Radford |
12/17/2009 | New Jersey | NJAC | Davidson |
12/19/2009 | Concordia (Wis.) | NATHC | Valparaiso |
12/19/2009 | Ferrum | USAC | Winston-Salem State |
12/19/2009 | Methodist | USAC | Charleston |
12/19/2009 | Mount St. Vincent | SKY | Army |
12/19/2009 | Occidental | SCIAC | SMU |
12/19/2009 | Vassar | LL | William and Mary |
12/22/2009 | Franklin | HCAC | Eastern Illinois |
12/27/2009 | Cornell | IIAC | Coastal Carolina |
12/28/2009 | Kean | NJAC | Brown |
12/28/2009 | MIT | NEWMAC | Harvard |
12/29/2009 | St. Olaf | MIAC | North Dakota |
12/29/2009 | Texas Lutheran | ASC | Texas State |
12/29/2009 | Willamette | NWC | Portland State |
12/30/2009 | Polytechnic | SKY | NJIT |
12/30/2009 | Westminster (Mo.) | SLIAC | Tennessee-Martin |
12/31/2009 | Manchester | HCAC | Ball State |
12/31/2009 | Penn State-Behrend | AMCC | Cornell (N.Y.) |
1/2/2010 | McMurry | ASC | UT-San Antonio |
1/2/2010 | Stevenson | CAC | The Citadel |
1/2/2010 | Texas-Dallas | ASC | UT-Arlington |
1/11/2010 | Clarkson | LL | Cornell (N.Y.) |
1/24/2010 | Goucher | LAND | Princeton |
(modified by GS for formatting)
Here's another one:
11/20/2009 Farmingdale State Skyline Hofstra
Here are the CCIW vs non-D3 games this year, in case it helps...
11/30 - Millikin @ Maryville-Mo. (D2)
12/1 - Carthage @ IU-Northwest (NAIA)
12/3 - North Park vs Trinity International (NAIA)
12/7 - North Park vs East-West (NAIA)
12/9 - Augstana @ Gonzaga (D1)
12/9 - Carthage @ Calumet College - St. Joseph (NAIA)
12/11 - Millikin @ Missouri Baptist (NAIA)
12/12 - Millikin @ Maryville-Mo (NAIA) - potential tournament matchup
12/17 - North Central @ Indiana Institute of Tecnhology (NAIA)
I have nothing to back this up, but it sure seems like 9 total non-D3 games across 8 CCIW teams has to be close to an all-time low. Last year alone IWU played 4 NAIA teams...and this year plays all 11 non-conference games vs D3's. A couple regular NAIA games are not on 2009-10 schedules - Augustana vs St. Ambrose and IWU vs Olivet Nazarene.
Here's what I have for the NCAC, also not a long slate:
11/15 -- Hiram at Youngstown St. (D1)
11/17 -- Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) at Wittenberg
11/17 -- Wabash at Marian (NAIA 2)
11/21 -- Denison vs. Goshen (NAIA 2) (at Hanover)
12/30 -- TBA (either Ohio Dominican or Marian, both NAIA 2) at Wittenberg
2/8 -- Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) at Allegheny
New Kensington may be provisional D3, I no longer remember where to go to look stuff like that up.
If sac is going to do this for the MIAA, we may have to move to a larger server. ;)
Quote from: David Collinge on November 09, 2009, 08:27:26 PM
If sac is going to do this for the MIAA, we may have to move to a larger server. ;)
'Tiny Dagger' ;)
...... Hope vs Oakland is Nov 10 (Tuesday) not Nov 17 as hopefan has listed.
Why is Gonzaga playing Augustana?
Exhibition in Houston tonight...
D1 Texas Southern 88, McMurry 81.
McMurry had the chance to close the deficit to 2 on a couple of times in the last 2 minutes but could not pull it off.
Jan 2, 2010 UT-Dallas at UT-Arlington.
The last time those two played, UTD won with a bunch of sophomores that played in the Elite 8 in 2009.
Click here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2006/12/30/Unbeaten+UT-Dallas+tops+D-I+school/828?month=2&year=1998)
Hoops Fan, to address your Zags v. Augie question. Basically, the connection occurred through the coaching network after the Zags couldn't get a D1 to fill the date, and D1's can pay D3's more in a regular season match-up. The extra money will go towards the teams trip next summer to China.
"One of those [Augustana Coach Giovanine's] friends is Gonzaga head coach Mark Few. An even closer friend is Ray Giacoletti, who was an assistant at a pair of Giovanine's previous stops and who Few hired as his lead assistant two years ago."
Article: Augie to play at Gonzaga next season (http://www.qctimes.com/sports/basketball/college/article_c3d81a1a-4ebf-11de-89c0-001cc4c002e0.html)
Another West Coast Conference School (D-I) will play a Division III school on Monday, Nov. 16. Santa Clara will host fellow Bay Area school Menlo.
Consultant - is Menlo considered a part of D3 basketball? They don't appear as such in this site, and they are not on a provisional list on NCAA.Org - I don't have them as such in my data base (I classify them as NAIA-D2 - they do appear in that site)
Hopefan,
Interestingly enough, I've been trying to confirm Menlo's status in men's basketball. The college seems to be affiliated with both the NAIA and NCAA Div. III with men's basketball still being affiliated with NAIA.
Menlo, like Nebraska Wesleyan, is a dual member of the NAIA (Division II) and the NCAA (Division III). Unlike Nebraska Wesleyan, Menlo declares every year for the NAIA in terms of postseason play, which makes it an NAIA school and not a D3 school for recording purposes.
Games of 11/15/09
Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 89, CCNY 81
Buena Vista 62, Wayne State (Neb.) (NCAA-D2) 61
Concordia (Wis.) 86, UW-Parkside (NCAA-D2) 81
Grinnell 99, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 92
Franklin Pierce (NCAA-D2) 79, Lesley 68
Mankato State (NCAA-D2) 90, Monmouth 57
Massachusetts College 111, Albany College of Pharmacy (Other) 70
Midwestern State (NCAA-D2) 63, Trinity (Texas) 52
Millersville (NCAA-D2) 74, Penn State Abington 62
Penn State DuBois (USCAA) 69, Alfred 66
Saginaw Valley (NCAA-D2) 71, Adrian 50
St. Norbert 112, Silver Lake (USCAA) 73
York (Pa.) 99, Penn State York (USCAA) 66
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 81, Hiram 41
Games of 11/16/09
Arkansas St. (NCAA-D1) 93, MacMurray 47
Blackburn 82, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 72
Cleveland St. (NCAA-D1) 99, Wilmington 74
Eastern 93, Valley Forge Military (Other) 69
Emory and Henry 83, Virginia-Wise (NAIA-D2) 80
Graceland (NAIA-D1) 79, Central 78
Indiana (Pa.) (NCAA-D2) 82, Thiel 64
Louisiana-Lafayette (NCAA-D1) 90, Louisiana College 68
Marywood 96, Penn State Wilkes-Barre (USCAA) 78
McMurry 113, Baptist Bible (Mo.) (NCCAA-D2) 71
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 96, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 54
Seton Hill (NCAA-D2) 81, Juniata 59
Spalding 92, Shawnee Baptist (Other) 32
St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 87, Green Mountain 82
St. Vincent 63, Penn State York (USCAA) 57
Stony Brook (NCAA-D1) 87, Mount St. Mary 53
Texas A&M-Commerce (NCAA-D2) 67, Trinity (Texas) 58
Texas-Tyler 87, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 55
Wilkes 84, Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 53
Winona State (NCAA-D2) 83, UW-Stout 66
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 6
NCAA D2 2 9
NAIA D1 0 1
NAIA D2 2 1
NCCAA 2 0
USCAA 5 2
Other 3 1
Games OF 11/17/09
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 69, Olivet 55
Azusa Pacific (NAIA-D1) 74, Occidental 57
Baptist Bible 63, Penn State Wilkes-Barre (USCAA) 55
Belhaven (NAIA-D1) 84, Millsaps 69
Central Missouri (NCAA-D2) 86, Westminster (Mo.) 51
Eastern Washington (NCAA-D1) 100, Whitman 88
Evergreen (NAIA-D2) 108, Puget Sound 97
Grand View (NAIA-D2) 74, Buena Vista 65
Hope 65, Rochester (Mi.) (USCAA) 50
Huntingdon 72, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA-D2) 63
Maine Maritime 81, Maine-Machias (NAIA-D2) 77
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 68, Wabash 65
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 76, Coe 64
Mount St. Joseph 85, Cincinnati Christian (NAIA-D2) 68
Pacific 82, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 81
Radford (NCAA-D1) 94, Lynchburg 70
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 71, Nazareth 55
Transylvania 77, Berea (NAIA-D2) 66
UA-Fort Smith (NCAA-D2) 87, University of the Ozarks 65
UW-Platteville 73, Clarke (NAIA-D2) 66
UW-River Falls 66, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 49
Wittenberg 91, UC Clermont (USCAA) 64
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 8
NCAA D2 2 11
NAIA D1 0 3
NAIA D2 7 7
NCCAA 4 0
USCAA 8 2
Other 3 1
Interesting.
Geez Hopefan. Like you don't have enough to do. ;D
Quote from: hopefan on November 09, 2009, 02:27:33 PM
To wet the appetite, here are the D3 vs D1 games scheduled - this may not be 100% accurate as changes to schedules may have occurred after I entered into data... somebody needs to give me some hints on formatting columns?
11/15/2009 | Hiram | NCAC | Youngstown State |
11/16/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | Louisiana-Lafayette |
11/16/2009 | MacMurray | SLIAC | Arkansas St. |
11/16/2009 | Mount St. Mary | SKY | Stony Brook |
11/16/2009 | St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) | IND | New Jersey Tech |
11/16/2009 | Wilmington | OAC | Cleveland St. |
11/17/2009 | Lynchburg | ODAC | Radford |
11/17/2009 | Mary Washington | CAC | Gardner-Webb |
11/17/2009 | Whitman | NWC | EasternWashington |
11/18/2009 | North Carolina Wesleyan | USAC | North Carolina Central |
11/19/2009 | LaVerne | SCIAC | Cal-Riverside |
11/21/2009 | Eureka | SLIAC | Eastern Illinois |
11/21/2009 | Hampden-Sydney | ODAC | High Point |
11/21/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | McNeese State |
11/21/2009 | Methodist | USAC | Gardner-Webb |
11/22/2009 | Hardin-Simmons | ASC | Baylor |
11/24/2009 | Mary Washington | CAC | Delaware State |
11/28/2009 | Millsaps | SCAC | SE Louisiana |
11/30/2009 | Lynchburg | ODAC | VMI |
12/3/2009 | SUNY-Cobleskill | NEAC | New Jersey Tech |
12/9/2009 | Augustana | CCIW | Gonzaga |
12/9/2009 | Linfield | NWC | Portland State |
12/9/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | Lamar |
12/9/2009 | Maine-Presque Isle | IND | Maine |
12/10/2009 | Piedmont | GSAC | Mercer |
12/12/2009 | Bridgewater (Va.) | ODAC | Coastal Carolina |
12/12/2009 | Occidental | SCIAC | Cal State-Fullerton |
12/12/2009 | Randolph-Macon | ODAC | VMI |
12/13/2009 | Lyndon State | NAC | Dartmouth |
12/13/2009 | Roanoke | ODAC | Radford |
12/17/2009 | New Jersey | NJAC | Davidson |
12/19/2009 | Concordia (Wis.) | NATHC | Valparaiso |
12/19/2009 | Ferrum | USAC | Winston-Salem State |
12/19/2009 | Methodist | USAC | Charleston |
12/19/2009 | Mount St. Vincent | SKY | Army |
12/19/2009 | Occidental | SCIAC | SMU |
12/19/2009 | Vassar | LL | William and Mary |
12/22/2009 | Franklin | HCAC | Eastern Illinois |
12/27/2009 | Cornell | IIAC | Coastal Carolina |
12/28/2009 | Kean | NJAC | Brown |
12/28/2009 | MIT | NEWMAC | Harvard |
12/29/2009 | St. Olaf | MIAC | North Dakota |
12/29/2009 | Texas Lutheran | ASC | Texas State |
12/29/2009 | Willamette | NWC | Portland State |
12/30/2009 | Polytechnic | SKY | NJIT |
12/30/2009 | Westminster (Mo.) | SLIAC | Tennessee-Martin |
12/31/2009 | Manchester | HCAC | Ball State |
12/31/2009 | Penn State-Behrend | AMCC | Cornell (N.Y.) |
1/2/2010 | McMurry | ASC | UT-San Antonio |
1/2/2010 | Stevenson | CAC | The Citadel |
1/2/2010 | Texas-Dallas | ASC | UT-Arlington |
1/11/2010 | Clarkson | LL | Cornell (N.Y.) |
1/24/2010 | Goucher | LAND | Princeton |
(modified by GS for formatting)
hopefan,
1 more to add to your list or maybe Greg will do it for you. On November 25th SUNYAC school Fredonia State travels to Davidson North Carolina to take on the Division I Davidson Wildcats.
scores of 11 18 09
Daniel Webster 87, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 69
Lycoming 88, Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 72
Lyndon State 111, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 97
Manchester 98, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 74
Missouri St. Louis (NCAA-D2) 89, Blackburn 69
New Jersey 96, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 50
North Carolina Central (NCAA-D1) 85, North Carolina Wesleyan 70
Ohio University Eastern (Other) 88, Franciscan 77
Penn State-Harrisburg 89, Penn State Schuylkill (USCAA) 73
Rust 89, Wiley (NAIA-D1) 82
SUNY-Canton (NAIA-D2) 87, Morrisville State 83
UC Davis (NCAA-D2) 88, UC Santa Cruz 59
William Penn (NAIA-D2) 133, Grinnell 101
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 10
NCAA D2 2 12
NAIA D1 1 4
NAIA D2 9 9
NCCAA 4 0
USCAA 11 2
Other 4 2
Games of 11/19/09
Cal Riverside (NCAA-D1) 87, La Verne 71
California Baptist (NAIA-D1) 95, La Sierra 64
Evergreen (NAIA-D2) 71, Lewis and Clark 44
Medaille 87, Paul Smith's (NAIA-D2) 30
Minnesota-Morris 86, Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 79
Rosemont 75, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 40
Texas Lutheran 70, Southwestern (Kan.) (NAIA-D2) 68
Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 66, Piedmont 55
West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 66, Caltech 50
Not yet available Louisiana College at St Thomas Texas
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 11
NCAA D2 2 12
NAIA D1 1 5
NAIA D2 12 10
NCCAA 4 2
USCAA 12 2
Other 4 2
hopefan,
One more to add to your list of results. On Tuesday, Nov 17th, Clarkson defeated NAIA-D2 SUNY-Canton 71-61.
magicman - thanks not sure how I missed it, but I did!!!!
Also, the MIA from yesterday:
Louisiana College 57, St Thomas Texas (NAIA-D2) 56
Quote from: magicman on November 19, 2009, 03:17:45 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 09, 2009, 02:27:33 PM
To wet the appetite, here are the D3 vs D1 games scheduled - this may not be 100% accurate as changes to schedules may have occurred after I entered into data... somebody needs to give me some hints on formatting columns?
11/15/2009 | Hiram | NCAC | Youngstown State |
11/16/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | Louisiana-Lafayette |
11/16/2009 | MacMurray | SLIAC | Arkansas St. |
11/16/2009 | Mount St. Mary | SKY | Stony Brook |
11/16/2009 | St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) | IND | New Jersey Tech |
11/16/2009 | Wilmington | OAC | Cleveland St. |
11/17/2009 | Lynchburg | ODAC | Radford |
11/17/2009 | Mary Washington | CAC | Gardner-Webb |
11/17/2009 | Whitman | NWC | EasternWashington |
11/18/2009 | North Carolina Wesleyan | USAC | North Carolina Central |
11/19/2009 | LaVerne | SCIAC | Cal-Riverside |
11/21/2009 | Eureka | SLIAC | Eastern Illinois |
11/21/2009 | Hampden-Sydney | ODAC | High Point |
11/21/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | McNeese State |
11/21/2009 | Methodist | USAC | Gardner-Webb |
11/22/2009 | Hardin-Simmons | ASC | Baylor |
11/24/2009 | Mary Washington | CAC | Delaware State |
11/25/2009 | Fredonia State | SUNYAC | Davidson NC |
11/28/2009 | Millsaps | SCAC | SE Louisiana |
11/30/2009 | Lynchburg | ODAC | VMI |
12/3/2009 | SUNY-Cobleskill | NEAC | New Jersey Tech |
12/9/2009 | Augustana | CCIW | Gonzaga |
12/9/2009 | Linfield | NWC | Portland State |
12/9/2009 | Louisiana College | ASC | Lamar |
12/9/2009 | Maine-Presque Isle | IND | Maine |
12/10/2009 | Piedmont | GSAC | Mercer |
12/12/2009 | Bridgewater (Va.) | ODAC | Coastal Carolina |
12/12/2009 | Occidental | SCIAC | Cal State-Fullerton |
12/12/2009 | Randolph-Macon | ODAC | VMI |
12/13/2009 | Lyndon State | NAC | Dartmouth |
12/13/2009 | Roanoke | ODAC | Radford |
12/17/2009 | New Jersey | NJAC | Davidson |
12/19/2009 | Concordia (Wis.) | NATHC | Valparaiso |
12/19/2009 | Ferrum | USAC | Winston-Salem State |
12/19/2009 | Methodist | USAC | Charleston |
12/19/2009 | Mount St. Vincent | SKY | Army |
12/19/2009 | Occidental | SCIAC | SMU |
12/19/2009 | Vassar | LL | William and Mary |
12/22/2009 | Franklin | HCAC | Eastern Illinois |
12/27/2009 | Cornell | IIAC | Coastal Carolina |
12/28/2009 | Kean | NJAC | Brown |
12/28/2009 | MIT | NEWMAC | Harvard |
12/29/2009 | St. Olaf | MIAC | North Dakota |
12/29/2009 | Texas Lutheran | ASC | Texas State |
12/29/2009 | Willamette | NWC | Portland State |
12/30/2009 | Polytechnic | SKY | NJIT |
12/30/2009 | Westminster (Mo.) | SLIAC | Tennessee-Martin |
12/31/2009 | Manchester | HCAC | Ball State |
12/31/2009 | Penn State-Behrend | AMCC | Cornell (N.Y.) |
1/2/2010 | McMurry | ASC | UT-San Antonio |
1/2/2010 | Stevenson | CAC | The Citadel |
1/2/2010 | Texas-Dallas | ASC | UT-Arlington |
1/11/2010 | Clarkson | LL | Cornell (N.Y.) |
1/24/2010 | Goucher | LAND | Princeton |
(modified by GS for formatting)
hopefan,
1 more to add to your list or maybe Greg will do it for you. On November 25th SUNYAC school Fredonia State travels to Davidson North Carolina to take on the Division I Davidson Wildcats.
Games of 11/20/09
Albright 88, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 70
Alfred 81, Penn State York (USCAA) 54
Alvernia 106, Valley Forge Military (Other) 49
Bethel 93, Nebraska Christian (Other) 21
Colorado College 78, CU-Colorado Springs (NCAA-D2) 72
Corban (NAIA-D2) 110, Pacific 106
Davenport (NAIA-D2) 88, Lake Forest 73
Elon (NCAA-D1) 102, FDU-Florham 64
Geneva 78, Penn State New Kensington (USCAA) 60
Goshen (NAIA-D2) 104, Hanover 89
Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 83, Calvin 68
Grove City 73, Penn State DuBois (USCAA) 63
Hamilton 89, Suny-Canton (NAIA-D2) 56
Hannibal-Lagrange (NAIA-D1) 76, Fontbonne 73
Hofstra (NCAA-D1) 87, Farmingdale State 48
Marywood 83, Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 56
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 95, Willamette 72
Millsaps 71, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 59
MIT 78, John Abbott (Other) 38
Mount Aloysius 101, Penn State Mont Alto (USCAA) 79
North Carolina Wesleyan 99, Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 91
Northern State (NCAA-D2) 71, Presentation 53
Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 91, Northland 68
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 70, Linfield 59
Notre Dame (NAIA-D2) 92, Emory and Henry 71
Penn State Beaver (USCAA) 56, Waynesburg 52
Randolph 80, Christendom (USCAA) 51
RPI 97, Cooper Union (Other) 53
Sage 100, Albany College of Pharmacy (Other) 60
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 78, St. John's 71
SUNYIT 85, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 70
Susquehanna 84, Penn Tech (USCAA) 48
Texas-Tyler 88, Jarvis Christian (NAIA-D1) 76
Trinity (Conn.) 79, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 75
UW-Stout 75, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 54
West Alabama (NCAA-D2) 77, Huntingdon 66
Wheeling Jesuit (NCAA-D2) 84, Bethany 79
Whitman 95, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 73
William Jessup (NAIA-D2) 84, Lewis and Clark 80
Williamson Trade (USCAA) 61, Kean 57
Occidental at West Coast Baptist No score yet available
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 13
NCAA D2 3 16
NAIA D1 2 6
NAIA D2 18 17
NCCAA 7 4
USCAA 20 4
Other 10 2
Traveling up to IWU to see Wash U at IWU - won't have time to get things together on all the results from yesterday - will do a complete review for 11/21 and 11/22 tomorrow
Games of 11/21/09
Adrian 74, Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 52
Bethany 111, Pitt Titusville (USCAA) 50
Birmingham-Southern 84, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 66
Colorado College 80, Bethany (Kan.) (NAIA-D2) 70
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 59, Alma 56
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 76, Pacific Lutheran 74
Dakota State (NAIA-D2) 57, Presentation 49
Delaware Valley 98, Valley Forge Military (Other) 60
DeSales 92, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 47
Eastern Illinois (NCAA-D1) 93, Eureka 64
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 83, Lesley 61
Fontbonne 72, Moody Bible (Other) 59
Gardner-Webb (NCAA-D1) 83, Methodist 58
Goshen (NAIA-D2) 87, Denison 84
Grace (NAIA-D2) 77, Manchester 76
Greensboro 86, Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 79
High Point (NCAA-D1) 100, Hampden-Sydney 74
Keuka 71, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 65
Keystone 99, SUNY-Canton (NAIA-D2) 56
McNeese State (NCAA-D1) 73, Louisiana College 36
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 75, Pacific 68
Notre Dame (NAIA-D2) 91, Westminster (Pa.) 60
Penn State DuBois (USCAA) 92, Hilbert 79
Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 69, Baptist Bible 51
Penn State York (USCAA) 66, Dickinson 64
Philadelphia Bible 80, Washington Bible (Other) 72
Pitt-Greensburg 83, Penn State New Kensington (USCAA) 36
Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 76, Lewis and Clark 73
Sewanee 57, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 50
St. John's 81, Minnesota-Morehead (NCAA-D2) 79
St. Vincent 80, Penn State Fayette (USCAA) 47
Texas-Dallas 99, Jarvis Christian (NAIA-D1) 59
Thiel 89, Penn State Beaver (USCAA) 71
UM-Crookston (NCAA-D2) 80, Minnesota-Morris 75
Washington and Jefferson 96, Penn State Mont Alto (USCAA) 56
Wentworth 83, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 65
Whittier 77, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 75
Wilkes 98, Penn Tech (USCAA) 57
William Jessup (NAIA-D2) 106, Whitman 91
missing score from 11/20
Occidental 85, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 66
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 17
NCAA D2 4 17
NAIA D1 4 6
NAIA D2 23 26
NCCAA 11 5
USCAA 28 7
Other 15 2
A real early battle for NAIA D2 vs NCAA D3 Supemecy!!
Games of 11/22/09 :
Baylor (NCAA-D1) 106, Hardin-Simmons 45
D'Youville 97, Paul Smith's (NAIA-D2) 53
Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 67, Mount Union 64
Texas A&M Kingsville (NCAA-D2) 81, Texas Lutheran 69
Webber International (NAIA-D2) 85, Concordia-Austin 68
Yeshiva 64, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 63
Games of 11/23/09
Gallaudet 100, Christendom (USCAA) 59
LSU-Shreveport (NAIA-D1) 81, East Texas Baptist 69
Maranatha Baptist 56, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 55
Medgar Evers 123, Pratt (Other) 45
Penn State Allegheny (USCAA) 64, Waynesburg 60
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 85, Blackburn 72
Rust 101, Blue Mountain (NAIA-D1) 87
Saginaw Valley (NCAA-D2) 75, Olivet 62
Texas A&M International (NCAA-D2) 67, Sul Ross State 63
Wilkes 71, Penn Tech (USCAA) 60
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 18
NCAA D2 4 20
NAIA D1 5 7
NAIA D2 24 28
NCCAA 12 5
USCAA 30 10
Other 17 2
NCAA D3 slides another game behind NAIA D2 - keep your eye on it !!
Games of 11/24/09
Central 90, Faith Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 51
Colby 80, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA-D2) 75
Concordia (Wis.) 97, Silver Lake (USCAA) 76
Concordia-Austin 98, St. Edward's (NCAA-D2) 91
Concordia-Moorhead 54, MSU-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 53
Delaware State (NCAA-D1) 59, Mary Washington 43
Dubuque 79, Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 75
Eastern 68, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 63
Edinboro (NCAA-D2) 83, Thiel 74
Evergreen (NAIA-D2) 91, Pacific Lutheran 82
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 81, Nichols 66
George Fox 99, Corban (NAIA-D2) 91
Grand View (NAIA-D2) 73, Simpson 54
Greenville 81, St. Louis Christian (Other) 72
Grove City 82, Penn State Beaver (USCAA) 59
Hastings (NAIA-D2) 66, Nebraska Wesleyan 62
Illinois-Springfield (NAIA-D1) 115, MacMurray 60
Jarvis Christian (NAIA-D1) 63, Texas-Tyler 59
Keuka 88, SUNY-Canton (NAIA-D2) 51
Lehman 80, Vaughn (Other) 48
LSU-Shreveport (NAIA-D1) 82, LeTourneau 68
Marywood 98, Penn State Scranton (USCAA) 69
Middlebury 87, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 56
Montclair State 80, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 39
North Carolina Pembroke (NCAA-D2) 79, North Carolina Wesleyan 75
Northern Michigan (NCAA-D2) 81, Northland 42
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 66, Pacific 55
Occidental 75, American Sports U (Other) 51
Philadelphia Bible 66, Davis (NCCAA-D2) 57
Piedmont 106, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 57
Presentation 83, Trinity Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
Principia 59, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 58
Randolph 80, Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 52
Rhema Bible (USCAA) 69, University of the Ozarks 66
Rockford 115, Trinity International (NAIA-D2) 108
Rose-Hulman 70, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 64
Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 91, Bridgewater (Va.) 66
St. Catherine (USCAA) 84, Spalding 67
St. Martin's (NCAA-D2) 74, Puget Sound 72
UW-La Crosse 62, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 59
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 19
NCAA D2 6 24
NAIA D1 5 10
NAIA D2 34 34
NCCAA 16 5
USCAA 35 13
Other 21 2
D3 and NAIA D2 all even !!
Games of 11/25/09
Davidson (NCAA-D1) 78, Fredonia State 37
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 105, Principia 65
Whitman 86, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 69
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 20
NCAA D2 6 24
NAIA D1 5 11
NAIA D2 34 34
NCCAA 17 5
USCAA 35 13
Other 21 2
Games of 11/27/09
tough day for D3, as we go 0-6
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 71, Hope 59
Chico State (NCAA-D2) 74, Lewis and Clark 62
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 77, Calvin 65
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 77, Framingham State 49
Southern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 97, Willamette 71
Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 76, Wesley 71
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 20
NCAA D2 6 25
NAIA D1 5 11
NAIA D2 34 39
NCCAA 17 5
USCAA 35 14
Other 21 2
Clarification please...
Covenant TN, Berry GA and PSU Abington are the first year provisional members this year.
PSU-Abington is competing in the NEAC.
Covenant has several games against D-3 schools.
Do we count their games? Do we ignore their outcomes?
Right or wrong, I have PSU Abington in as a D3 school - their entire schedule is D3, including a full NEAC schedule, and I (wrongly) assumed they were missing in error from D3hoops mention
Covenent plays 10 games against D3, I have them counted as NAIA D2
Berry plays 2 games against D3, I have them counted as NAIA-D1
My base was schools that this site lists, though there is at least one error.. ie Maryville Mo is still listed and should be taken off.... I caught Abington because of the NEAC connection - Spalding is similar, but they are listed on D3 hoops....
Quote from: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 09:34:51 AM
Right or wrong, I have PSU Abington in as a D3 school - their entire schedule is D3, including a full NEAC schedule, and I (wrongly) assumed they were missing in error from D3hoops mention
Covenent plays 10 games against D3, I have them counted as NAIA D2
Berry plays 2 games against D3, I have them counted as NAIA-D1
My base was schools that this site lists, though there is at least one error.. ie Maryville Mo is still listed and should be taken off.... I caught Abington because of the NEAC connection - Spalding is similar, but they are listed on D3 hoops....
That is sound logic.
Thanks for taking the baton from Rhodes Scholar this season. I look forward to following your work! :)
Games of 11/28/09
Christopher Newport 93, Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 82
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 86, UW-La Crosse 75
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 85, Mount Ida 67
Gallaudet 87, Penn State York (USCAA) 81
Lewis and Clark 71, Sonoma State (NCAA-D2) 64
Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 71, D'Youville 68
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 75, Marian 63
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 79, Linfield 59
Oregon Tech (NAIA-D2) 95, Willamette 81
Pacific 78, Corban (NAIA-D2) 65
Pitt-Greensburg 82, Penn State Allegheny (USCAA) 55
Rockford 90, Clarke (NAIA-D2) 82
Rutgers-Camden 92, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 60
SE Louisiana (NCAA-D1) 81, Millsaps 49
Sioux Falls (NAIA-D2) 77, UW-River Falls 74
Wartburg 88, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 81
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 21
NCAA D2 7 25
NAIA D1 5 12
NAIA D2 38 45
NCCAA 17 6
USCAA 40 14
Other 21 2
Quote from: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 09:34:51 AMCovenent plays 10 games against D3, I have them counted as NAIA D2
Berry plays 2 games against D3, I have them counted as NAIA-D1
Berry and Covenant are listed as provisional members on the NAIA website, which means that they are considered to be part of the organization but are not eligible for postseason participation. I think that the NAIA instituted a rule a few years ago that prohibits schools that are in the midst of transferring membership from NAIA to NCAA from participating in NAIA championship tournaments -- a sound policy, I think, since defectors shouldn't be rewarded with the chance to dance.
Games of 11/29/09
D'Youville 79, Penn State York (USCAA) 73
Gallaudet 96, Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 85
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 87, UW-Stout 84
RPI 104, Paul Smith's (NAIA-D2) 51
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 21
NCAA D2 7 25
NAIA D1 4 10
NAIA D2 39 46
NCCAA 18 6
USCAA 41 14
Other 21 2
games of 11/30/09:
Berea (NAIA-D2) 71, Centre 59
Birmingham-Southern 81, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 71
Geneva 72, Penn State Beaver (USCAA) 64
Juniata 78, Penn State Wilkes-Barre (USCAA) 57
Kutztown (NCAA-D2) 96, Penn State-Berks 51
Millikin 58, Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 39
Misericordia 89, Penn State Scranton (USCAA) 53
Northern Michigan (NCAA-D2) 90, Finlandia 77
Penn State Abington 64, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 50
VMI (NCAA-D1) 108, Lynchburg 93
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 22
NCAA D2 8 27
NAIA D1 4 10
NAIA D2 39 47
NCCAA 19 6
USCAA 45 14
Other 21 2
C'mon guys - I don't really expect a winning record against NAIA D1, but we ought to have a winning record against NAIA D2!
Millikin's 19-point win over D2 Maryville is welcome, but also no big deal (as was their win last year against D1 SIU-E); Maryville was SLIAC last year, and I'll be at least mildly surprised if they win a single game this year.
Someone needs to take down a D1 (I hate that donut on the left side!) - what additional chances do we have this season?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
C'mon guys - I don't really expect a winning record against NAIA D1, but we ought to have a winning record against NAIA D2!
Millikin's 19-point win over D2 Maryville is welcome, but also no big deal (as was their win last year against D1 SIU-E); Maryville was SLIAC last year, and I'll be at least mildly surprised if they win a single game this year.
Someone needs to take down a D1 (I hate that donut on the left side!) - what additional chances do we have this season?
UT-Dallas at UT-Arlington. They did it in 2006-07.
McMurry at UT-San Antonio, but not likely.
Louisiana College at Lamar TX, but not likely.
Texas Lutheran at Texas State, definitely unlikely.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
C'mon guys - I don't really expect a winning record against NAIA D1, but we ought to have a winning record against NAIA D2!
Only 3 seasons ago NAIA II had a winning record vs D3, its usually pretty close.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 24, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....90-101
NCCAA 1....8-7
NCCAA 2....56-12
USCAA....51-26
Other....72-11
(Totals through 2/23)
Final totals for 2006-07 season
MIT plays at Harvard December 28. This could be a tough one, though, Harvard is out to one of their best starts in recent years at 5-1, with their first win over Boston University in 34 years this past Sunday.
Quote from: hugenerd on December 01, 2009, 10:02:43 PM
MIT plays at Harvard December 28. This could be a tough one, though, Harvard is out to one of their best starts in recent years at 5-1, with their first win over Boston University in 34 years this past Sunday.
Although, Harvard's one loss is to Army (believe it or not, the Black Knights are 4-1). In that game, Harvard gave up 16 and 12 points each to a pair of guards (6' 1" and 6' 4" respectively).
Maybe Jimmy Burke can continue his hot hand and lead MIT to a cross-town upset.
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
C'mon guys - I don't really expect a winning record against NAIA D1, but we ought to have a winning record against NAIA D2!
Only 3 seasons ago NAIA II had a winning record vs D3, its usually pretty close.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 24, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....90-101
NCCAA 1....8-7
NCCAA 2....56-12
USCAA....51-26
Other....72-11
(Totals through 2/23)
Final totals for 2006-07 season
Yeah, I know we sometimes lose to them - but we should NOT! ::)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
C'mon guys - I don't really expect a winning record against NAIA D1, but we ought to have a winning record against NAIA D2!
Only 3 seasons ago NAIA II had a winning record vs D3, its usually pretty close.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 24, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....90-101
NCCAA 1....8-7
NCCAA 2....56-12
USCAA....51-26
Other....72-11
(Totals through 2/23)
Final totals for 2006-07 season
Yeah, I know we sometimes lose to them - but we should NOT! ::)
Why not?
Quote from: Titan Q on December 01, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 01, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
C'mon guys - I don't really expect a winning record against NAIA D1, but we ought to have a winning record against NAIA D2!
Only 3 seasons ago NAIA II had a winning record vs D3, its usually pretty close.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 24, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
D3 vs.
D1....1-44
D2....10-73
NAIA 1....21-41
NAIA 2....90-101
NCCAA 1....8-7
NCCAA 2....56-12
USCAA....51-26
Other....72-11
(Totals through 2/23)
Final totals for 2006-07 season
Yeah, I know we sometimes lose to them - but we should NOT! ::)
Why not?
et tu, Brute?
Because we are d3, confound it! ;D
Oh Mr. Y, head down to Adrian and take in a game with Sienna Heights against Cornerstone, Aquinas or Davenport and you will learn quickly. Spring Arbor's not to far from you, take in an MCC team or two like Bethel.
NAIA II in the Midwest is pretty good.
Hey may mean we should not lose to NAIA-2 out of respect for the D-3 ethos. Or something. Or other.
I know in Indiana NAIA - 2 is pretty decent. The Mid-Central Conference has some traditionally tough teams.
Quote from: scout on December 01, 2009, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 01, 2009, 10:02:43 PM
MIT plays at Harvard December 28. This could be a tough one, though, Harvard is out to one of their best starts in recent years at 5-1, with their first win over Boston University in 34 years this past Sunday.
Although, Harvard's one loss is to Army (believe it or not, the Black Knights are 4-1). In that game, Harvard gave up 16 and 12 points each to a pair of guards (6' 1" and 6' 4" respectively).
Maybe Jimmy Burke can continue his hot hand and lead MIT to a cross-town upset.
MIT has some big bodies this year (4 guys 6'8" - 6'10"), so it is not out of the realm of possibility that they wont get killed by Harvards bigs (which would allow MITs shooters to maybe make some shots and keep them in the game), but I am not going to get too excited yet. Maybe if MIT starts playing better and is undefeated at that point, I may think they have a shot (especially if Harvard has a couple guys injured). Harvard actually has quite a few freshman playing also, so you never know what can happen in any given game.
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Oh Mr. Y, head down to Adrian and take in a game with Sienna Heights against Cornerstone, Aquinas or Davenport and you will learn quickly. Spring Arbor's not to far from you, take in an MCC team or two like Bethel.
NAIA II in the Midwest is pretty good.
Don't even have to go to Adrian - CUAA is NAIA, five miles from home.
You guys are being too literal. When I was a Titan, IWU was a member of both, but did post-season in NAIA (there weren't separate divisions then, and our opponents included WSUC [now WIAC] and EMU, among many others). The quality of NAIA D2 is irrelevant - I'm a D3 fan, therefore they should beat NAIA D2! ;D
Quit trying to confuse me with facts! :D (But, more years than not, D3
does beat NAIA D2 - that is a 'fact' I can live with!)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2009, 12:41:21 AM
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Oh Mr. Y, head down to Adrian and take in a game with Sienna Heights against Cornerstone, Aquinas or Davenport and you will learn quickly. Spring Arbor's not to far from you, take in an MCC team or two like Bethel.
NAIA II in the Midwest is pretty good.
Don't even have to go to Adrian - CUAA is NAIA, five miles from home.
If you go there you'll only see
one good team ;)
Quote from: sac on December 02, 2009, 12:44:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2009, 12:41:21 AM
Quote from: sac on December 01, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Oh Mr. Y, head down to Adrian and take in a game with Sienna Heights against Cornerstone, Aquinas or Davenport and you will learn quickly. Spring Arbor's not to far from you, take in an MCC team or two like Bethel.
NAIA II in the Midwest is pretty good.
Don't even have to go to Adrian - CUAA is NAIA, five miles from home.
If you go there you'll only see one good team ;)
Believe it or not, CUAA is 4-3 this year. :o That is usually about a decade's worth of wins! ;)
While not a powerhouse by any means CUAA is actually 60-73 from 05-06 to present. That includes a 10-3 record vs. DIII and a 7-2 vs. MIAA. Of course none of those games involved Hope or Calvin.
Quote from: 13wapiti on December 02, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
While not a powerhouse by any means CUAA is actually 60-73 from 05-06 to present. That includes a 10-3 record vs. DIII and a 7-2 vs. MIAA. Of course none of those games involved Hope or Calvin.
......and about 10 of those 60 came from Andrews, Marygrove, Holy Cross(not that Holy Cross) and Notre Dame (not that Notre Dame.)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2009, 12:52:27 AM
Believe it or not, CUAA is 4-3 this year. :o That is usually about a decade's worth of wins! ;)
4-3.........what do you know wins over Notre Dame, Holy Cross and Alma twice, a combined 2-20. ;)
Quote from: sac on December 02, 2009, 03:06:32 PM
Quote from: 13wapiti on December 02, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
While not a powerhouse by any means CUAA is actually 60-73 from 05-06 to present. That includes a 10-3 record vs. DIII and a 7-2 vs. MIAA. Of course none of those games involved Hope or Calvin.
......and about 10 of those 60 came from Andrews, Marygrove, Holy Cross(not that Holy Cross) and Notre Dame (not that Notre Dame.)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2009, 12:52:27 AM
Believe it or not, CUAA is 4-3 this year. :o That is usually about a decade's worth of wins! ;)
4-3.........what do you know wins over Notre Dame, Holy Cross and Alma twice, a combined 2-20. ;)
It's all just a part of the grand conspiracy to keep Chuck from attending any more college basketball games. ;)
Games of 12/1/09
Belhaven (NAIA-D1) 105, Rust 84
Carthage 104, Indiana-Northwest (USCAA) 67
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 59, Alma 56
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 99, Linfield 90
Drew 77, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 66
Fredonia State 64, Houghton (NAIA-D2) 60
Hope 97, Trinity Christian (NAIA-D2) 80
Johnson State 72, Vermont Technical (NAIA-D2) 66
Lancaster Bible 73, Penn State York (USCAA) 58
Mankato State (NCAA-D2) 110, Bethany Lutheran 65
Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 82, Goucher 79
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 72, Minnesota-Morris 63
Occidental 98, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 55
Pacific 109, Multnomah (NCCAA-D2) 90
Polytechnic 75, Pratt (Other) 54
Potsdam State 104, SUNY-Canton (NAIA-D2) 62
Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 48, Adrian 45
Tennessee Temple (NCCAA-D1) 78, Sewanee 74
Texas Lutheran 78, St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D2) 64
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 88, Penn State-Harrisburg 84
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 22
NCAA D2 8 28
NAIA D1 4 11
NAIA D2 44 51
NCCAA 21 9
USCAA 47 15
Other 23 2
Maryville (TN) 69 - Carson Newman (NCAA D2) 56.
Results of 12/2/09
Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 79, Maine Maritime 71
Maryville (Tenn.) 69, Carson-Newman (NCAA-D2) 56
Nebraska Wesleyan 82, Dana (NAIA-D2) 73
Oakland City (NCAA-D2) 75, Principia 59
Scranton 82, Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 58
Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 82, Shenandoah 79
St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 78, Johnson State 73
Trine 69, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 62
UW-Platteville 62, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 60
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 22
NCAA D2 9 29
NAIA D1 4 11
NAIA D2 47 53
NCCAA 21 9
USCAA 48 17
Other 23 2
Va. Wesleyan 76, Apprentice (USCAA) 73, OT
Games of 12/3/09
Christopher Newport 101, Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 56
Colby-Sawyer 94, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 70
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 93, Western New England 84
George Fox 69, Menlo (NAIA-D2) 67
Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 73, Maranatha Baptist 61
Hawaii Pacific (NCAA-D2) 72, La Verne 63
Lyndon State 91, Vermont Technical (NAIA-D2) 75
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 78, SUNY-Cobleskill 40
North Park 85, Trinity International (NAIA-D2) 82
Redlands 104, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 73
Virginia Wesleyan 76, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 73
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 23
NCAA D2 9 30
NAIA D1 4 11
NAIA D2 51 54
NCCAA 23 10
USCAA 49 17
Other 23 2
INCHING BACK TOWARDS .500 vs NAIA D@!!!!!
Games of 12/4/09
Alma 71, Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA-D2) 68
Bates 90, Maine-Machias (NAIA-D2) 63
Chaminade (NCAA-D2) 71, La Verne 66
Husson 81, Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA-D2) 75
Maranatha Baptist 75, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 48
Olivet 79, Madonna (NAIA-D2) 55
Washington U. 82, McKendree (NAIA-D1) 67
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 23
NCAA D2 9 31
NAIA D1 5 11
NAIA D2 55 54
NCCAA 24 10
USCAA 49 17
Other 23 2
D3 back ahead of NAIA D2!!!!!!
Games of 12/5/09
Adrian 58, Notre Dame (NAIA-D2) 53
Alma 62, Madonna (NAIA-D2) 60
Central Baptist (NCCAA-D1) 76, Principia 63
Colby 79, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 54
Eastern Mennonite 97, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 44
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 87, Wentworth 77
Linfield 80, Corban (NAIA-D2) 63
Maranatha Baptist 54, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 51
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 79, UC Santa Cruz 75
Morrisville State 76, Paul Smith's (NAIA-D2) 73
Mount Marty (NAIA-D2) 66, Nebraska Wesleyan 44
Norwich 79, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 68
Olivet 89, Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA-D2) 81
Pacific Lutheran 67, Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 63
Purdue-Calumet (NAIA-D2) 78, Trine 60
RPI 108, Albany College of Pharmacy (Other) 51
Whittier 103, Holy Names (NAIA-D2) 101
Whitworth 72, McKendree (NAIA-D1) 69
Wiley (NAIA-D1) 76, Rust 59
Willamette 87, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 62
Missing : Greenville - St Louis Pharma
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 23
NCAA D2 9 31
NAIA D1 6 12
NAIA D2 63 58
NCCAA 26 11
USCAA 51 18
Other 24 2
I'm liking that 'NAIA 2' line MUCH better, thank you very much! :D
In large part to Alma and Olivet hosting a weekend classic vs NAIA D2 Madonna and Mich Dearborn and going 4-0!!!
Actually, the challenge was at Madonna ... So, the MIAA swept the games at a NAIA D2 home court!!
Quote from: OC_SID on December 06, 2009, 09:23:40 PM
Actually, the challenge was at Madonna ... So, the MIAA swept the games at a NAIA D2 home court!!
Do they get bonus points for that?
Sure, why not? :D
Games of 12/6
Green Mountain 75, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 61
Maine Maritime 89, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 62
Occidental 73, Holy Names (NAIA-D2) 65
Southern Vermont 97, Albany College of Pharmacy (Other) 56
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 23
NCAA D2 9 31
NAIA D1 6 12
NAIA D2 65 58
NCCAA 26 11
USCAA 52 18
Other 25 2
Here's a puzzler for you, Hopefan. I announced on CCIW Chat yesterday, and again on the North Park webcast tonight, that East-West University fits into what we list in this room as the "Other" category. However, the EWU head coach informed NPU's head coach, Paul Brenegan, tonight at the game that EWU is actually an independent within NAIA-2. Thing is, EWU isn't listed on the NAIA website as an NAIA-2 school ... or as an NAIA-1 school, either, for that matter.
North Park beat East-West tonight, 72-55. Put the win for D3 into whichever category you think best, I guess.
Games of 12/7
North Park 72, East-West (Other) 55
Prior Missed 12/5/09
Greenville 72, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 44
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 23
NCAA D2 9 31
NAIA D1 6 12
NAIA D2 66 58
NCCAA 26 11
USCAA 52 18
Other 26 2
Games of 12/8/09
Corban (NAIA-D2) 82, George Fox 72
Covenant (NAIA-D2) 57, Sewanee 54
DePauw 92, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 70
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 97, Fitchburg State 77
Lancaster Bible 92, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 53
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 75, Greenville 72
Principia 54, Concordia St. Louis (Other) 53
Puget Sound 86, Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 85
Rhodes 70, Free Will Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 43
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 23
NCAA D2 9 31
NAIA D1 6 12
NAIA D2 68 61
NCCAA 27 12
USCAA 53 18
Other 27 2
Games of 12/9/09
Campbellsville (NAIA-D1) 66, Spalding 52
Gonzaga (NCAA-D1) 79, Augustana 40
Harris-Stowe (NAIA-D1) 71, Blackburn 46
Jamestown (NAIA-D2) 65, Minnesota-Morris 61
Lamar (NCAA-D1) 79, Louisiana College 64
Portland State (NCAA-D1) 85, Linfield 52
Texas-Tyler 68, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 33
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 26
NCAA D2 9 31
NAIA D1 6 14
NAIA D2 68 62
NCCAA 27 12
USCAA 49 15
Other 28 2
Just noticed I had 2 schools listed in both USCAA and D3 - This is now corrected.
games of 12/10/09 TOUGH DAY FOR D3
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 70, Calvin 67
Biola (NAIA-D1) 77, Whittier 66
Davenport (NAIA-D2) 82, Olivet 72
Maine (NCAA-D1) 133, Maine-Presque Isle 58
Mercer (NCAA-D1) 87, Piedmont 62
West Chester (NCAA-D2) 82, Neumann 65
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 28
NCAA D2 9 32
NAIA D1 6 15
NAIA D2 68 64
NCCAA 27 12
USCAA 49 15
Other 28 2
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2009, 09:03:01 AM
games of 12/10/09 TOUGH DAY FOR D3
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 70, Calvin 67
Biola (NAIA-D1) 77, Whittier 66
Davenport (NAIA-D2) 82, Olivet 72
Maine (NCAA-D1) 133, Maine-Presque Isle 58
Mercer (NCAA-D1) 87, Piedmont 62
West Chester (NCAA-D2) 82, Neumann 65
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 28
NCAA D2 9 32
NAIA D1 6 15
NAIA D2 68 64
NCCAA 27 12
USCAA 49 15
Other 28 2
Looks like Maine avenged their beatdown by SU.
games of 12/11/09
Black Hills State (NAIA-D2) 66, Minnesota-Morris 61
Delaware Valley 79, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 44
Dickinson 55, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 50
Hope 96, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 73
Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 61, Webster 60
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 63, Millikin 62
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 70, Cornell 61
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 73, George Fox 61
Rowan 82, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 60
Thomas 92, Maine-Machias (NAIA-D2) 79
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 78, Messiah 74
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 90, Linfield 71
Willamette 78, Corban (NAIA-D2) 74
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 28
NCAA D2 9 33
NAIA D1 6 16
NAIA D2 71 68
NCCAA 27 13
USCAA 51 15
Other 29 2
Games of 12/12/09
Anna Maria 75, Maine-Machias (NAIA-D2) 72
Arcadia 65, Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 39
Azusa Pacific (NAIA-D1) 93, Redlands 75
Berry (NAIA-D1) 60, Lagrange 56
Biola (NAIA-D1) 53, Pomona-Pitzer 38
Black Hills State (NAIA-D2) 66, Presentation 64
Cal State Fullerton (NCAA-D1) 97, Occidental 59
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 75, Hope International (NAIA-D1) 63
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 91, Bridgewater (Va.) 42
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 102, Pacific 100
Evergreen (NAIA-D2) 78, Linfield 63
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 69, Rochester Tech 68
Green Mountain 91, Paul Smith's (NAIA-D2) 59
Loras 92, Ashford (NAIA-D2) 85
Lynchburg 74, Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 64
Maine-Fort Kent (NAIA-D2) 87, Maine Maritime 68
Messiah 57, Williamson Trade (USCAA) 55
Mississippi College 89, Wesley (Ms.) (NCCAA-D2) 75
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 70, Cornell 61
Nebraska Wesleyan 60, Doane (NAIA-D2) 50
Ohio Dominican (NAIA-D2) 65, Hope 58
Olivet 74, Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 70
Pacific Lutheran 67, Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 64
Piedmont 83, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 62
Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 92, Eastern Mennonite 79
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 66, Dickinson 59
Virginia-Wise (NAIA-D2) 89, Emory and Henry 74
Wartburg 81, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 72
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 30
NCAA D2 9 33
NAIA D1 7 19
NAIA D2 79 77
NCCAA 29 14
USCAA 53 16
Other 29 2
NAIA D2 just about back to even!!!!
Games of 12/13/09
Dartmouth (NCAA-D1) 83, Lyndon State 54
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 72, Fredonia State 71
Radford (NCAA-D1) 99, Roanoke 67
Salisbury 86, Maryland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 71
Whitworth 77, Montana Tech (NAIA-D1) 58
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 32
NCAA D2 9 33
NAIA D1 8 19
NAIA D2 79 78
NCCAA 30 14
USCAA 53 16
Other 29 2
Games of 12/14/09
Virginia Wesleyan 69, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 55
Northwood (Mi.) (NCAA-D2) 68, Kalamazoo 45
Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 79, UC Santa Cruz 77
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 32
NCAA D2 9 34
NAIA D1 8 19
NAIA D2 79 79
NCCAA 30 14
USCAA 54 16
Other 29 2
Aargh NAIA D2 has gotten back to .500
Games of 12/15/09
Regis (Col.) (NCAA-D2) 61, Colorado College 52
Rutgers-Newark 89, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 33
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 32
NCAA D2 9 35
NAIA D1 8 19
NAIA D2 79 79
NCCAA 30 14
USCAA 54 16
Other 30 2
12-15
Spring Arbor (NAIA-DII) over Albion 73-53
thanks 13wapiti, thru the combination of me not having that game on my mastersched for that date and the fact that the score came up on D3hoops later than most, I missed that result.. +1 K to you!!
Another score that was MIA from 12/12/09 just appeared...
Alice Lloyd (NAIA-D2) 65, Spalding 63
Games of 12/16/09
Defiance 90, Madonna (NAIA-D2) 79
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 90, Coe 80
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 32
NCAA D2 9 35
NAIA D1 8 19
NAIA D2 80 82
NCCAA 30 14
USCAA 54 16
Other 30 2
Ugh, we have fallen behind NAIA D2
D3 vs NCAA-D1 average score to date D1 89.8 D3 56.7
Games point spread under 20Whitman 88 Eastern Washington 100 North Carolina Wesleyan 70 North Carolina Central 85 La Verne 71 Cal Riverside 87 Mary Washington 43 Delaware State 59 Lynchburg 93 VMI 108 Louisiana College 64 Lamar 79 |
Games point spread over 48Maine-Presque Isle 58 Maine 133 Hardin-Simmons 45 Baylor 106 Bridgewater (Va.) 42 Coastal Carolina 91 |
Games of 12/17/09
Blackburn 90, Concordia St. Louis (Other) 79
Centre 68, Asbury (NAIA-D2) 49
Davidson (NCAA-D1) 90, New Jersey 49
Lawrence 72, Trinity (Fla.) (NCCAA-D2) 58
Southwest Minnesota (NCAA-D2) 82, Minnesota-Morris 66
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 35
NCAA D2 10 36
NAIA D1 8 19
NAIA D2 81 82
NCCAA 31 14
USCAA 54 17
Other 32 2
From last night...
Indiana Tech 66 (NAIA 2)
North Central 60
Thanks TQ +1
You know what I didnt realize until looking back at the stats: The Princeton team that was beaten by Carnegie Mellon in 05-06 actually ended up finishing 2nd in the Ivy league that year (10-4 in league play). Pretty good win for a d3 vs. a d1.
Maybe MIT has a better shot than I thought this year against Harvard? (Or maybe there is no correlation between the two whatsoever?)
Results 12/18/09
Lawrence 96, Florida College (USCAA) 52
Nova Southeastern (NCAA-D2) 76, Mount St. Joseph 68
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 35
NCAA D2 10 37
NAIA D1 8 19
NAIA D2 81 83
NCCAA 31 14
USCAA 55 17
Other 32 2
For those of you following the ongoing struggle for the NCAA-D3 vs NAIA-D2 championship, I have a very bad premonition....
Currently, NAIA-D2 is up 2 games on NCAA-D3
A look at the future schedules show a little more than 90 games between the two during the rest of the season, dependent on tourney matchups...
The bad news - brace yourselves
UMPI plays 14 of them
Santa Cruz plays 5
Nebraska Wesleyan, in a very tough NAIA Conf, plays 14...
the final two matchups - will they be a determining factor?
UMPI at SUNY Canton 2/18
Nebr. Wez hosts Morningside 2/20
D3 will have to VERY well in the remaining matchups to finish at .500......
12/18/2009
Calvin 86, Trinity Christian, Ill. 59 (NAIA II)
The NAIA website shows that UMPI is participting for the NAIA championship, unlike Nebraska Wesleyan.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/naia/member-services/championships/Qualifcation_Plans/qual_plans_pdf/qual_MBB_DII.pdf
Those UMPI losses are reckoned against UMPI for NAIA sake and UMPI is not likely to make the NAIA playoffs if they keep losing those games.
Since UMPI is competing for the championship in the Sunrise Conference, I propose that UMPI be considered for NAIA this season in the D3 versus the world tabulations.
I think this calls for a decision by Pat or Several of the HoFrs. If I take UMPI, off of this list, I have to remove them from the Undefeated and Winless room also.... a place where they hold an almost reverential position. Also I would wonder what Rhodes Scholar thinks.....
Hofr's, Pat, Rhodes, please comment.
Though it may be days before Pat is heard from again - the D3 Football game has been postponed due to snow.......Tough roads in those mountains....
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
I think this calls for a decision by Pat or Several of the HoFrs. If I take UMPI, off of this list, I have to remove them from the Undefeated and Winless room also.... a place where they hold an almost reverential position. Also I would wonder what Rhodes Scholar thinks.....
Hofr's, Pat, Rhodes, please comment.
Though it may be days before Pat is heard from again - the D3 Football game has been postponed due to snow.......Tough roads in those mountains....
Oh, man - the quandary!
I really want D3 to finish ahead of NAIA D2. On the other hand, UMPI is my pick in the winless 'survivor pool'! While I wasn't asked to vote or comment anyway, put me down as 'firmly undecided'! :o
Since you've asked, Hopefan, I'm pretty much a "by the book" guy. And, unfortunately, in this case there's two books, and they contradict each other.
There are, to the best of my knowledge, three schools that hold dual membership in NCAA D3 and NAIA D2 that have men's basketball teams: Nebraska Wesleyan, Maine-Presque Isle, and Menlo. All three are members of conferences that have 100% NAIA affliations among their respective memberships, and each of those three conferences draws an automatic bid to the NAIA-2 tourney. In spite of that, we're all aware of the fact that NebWes declares for the D3 tourney every year, and has done so going back to the birth of D3 back in the mid-seventies. And, as usual, the NAIA-2 membership page thus shows NebWes as a non-participating member, while the D3 men's basketball championship handbook lists NebWes as a participating member. So far, so good.
Menlo, too, has been a predictable declaree in basketball for many, many years, except that the Oaks have gone the other way and declared for the NAIA in basketball. The NAIA-2 membership page to which Ralph linked indicates that this is once again the case. However, this year the D3 handbook lists Menlo as a participating member. And there's problem #1, as you can't declare for both. You have to choose one or the other every year; both national organizations insist upon that.
Menlo uses its D3 affiliation for football purposes at the moment. The California Pacific Conference -- the NAIA league to which Menlo belongs -- does not sponsor football, so the Oaks play in D3's Northwest Conference and declare for the D3 tourney in football every year. My guess is that this is the source of the mixup, and that the D3 men's basketball championship handbook is thus in error, rather than the NAIA-2 membership page.
UMPI is another matter. The Owls participate in the NAIA-affiliated Sunrise Conference in every sport except for men's and women's Nordic skiing, in which they participate in an NCAA-affiliated league that spans two different NCAA divisions. It's not likely that the people in Indianapolis who put together the 2009-10 D3 men's basketball championship handbook made the same sort of error with UMPI that they likely made with Menlo -- transposing the Nordic skiing membership roll onto the men's basketball membership roll in the same way that they transposed the football membership roll into men's basketball. For one thing, Nordic skiing is a very obscure and sparsely-sponsored sport on the collegiate level, and it's not likely that it would be used as a source of transferable information to another sport. For another, the EISA (the Nordic skiing league to which UMPI belongs) is a mixed-level NCAA league that includes D1 schools such as Dartmouth, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Harvard as well as UMPI and several NESCAC schools. Nobody compiling a list of D3 schools for another sport would thus look to the EISA as a source.
To make a long story short, I can't figure out where the mistake would've come from. I have no idea why the NCAA folks would think that UMPI was a participating member in men's basketball unless there was direct documentary evidence from UMPI that the Owls were declaring for D3 this year. But I have no evidence to the contrary that would indicate that the NAIA folks would be making a similar kind of mistake. And the Owls website doesn't offer a clue as to which way the door swung for UMPI this year in terms of postseason declaration.
Like Ralph, I surmise that UMPI is an NAIA-2 declaree this year, based mostly upon the fact that the Owls are a Sunrise Conference participant. But that's not conclusive. If I were you, Hopefan, I'd start setting aside this season's UMPI games both past and future while awaiting confirmation as to UMPI's final disposition.
I think in view of the timing of this information regarding the affliation of UMPI, we should continue to allow Mr. Ypsi to keep them as his pick in the winless pool, even if we discover they are not D3. Otherwise we'll never hear the end of it. (Dare I mention GS's Tyler Sanborn pick as reference? ;) :D ;D)
Quote from: magicman on December 19, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
[W]e should continue to allow Mr. Ypsi to [ ______________ ]. Otherwise we'll never hear the end of it.
Fixed.
;)
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2009, 04:45:44 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 19, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
[W]e should continue to allow Mr. Ypsi to [ ______________ ]. Otherwise we'll never hear the end of it.
Fixed.
;)
Now, now, David. :-*
On the other hand, if it allows me to get away with stuff, why quit? ;D
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2009, 04:45:44 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 19, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
[W]e should continue to allow Mr. Ypsi to [ ______________ ]. Otherwise we'll never hear the end of it.
Fixed.
;)
Best laugh I've had all day. Thanks, DC! :D
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2009, 11:52:47 AM
Though it may be days before Pat is heard from again - the D3 Football game has been postponed due to snow.......Tough roads in those mountains....
Apparently it was only postponed a few hours, as Whitewater is winning 28-21 as of this moment, according to ESPN.
You are right Magic - it was supposed to be on this morning at 10 central, but when I went to ESPN 2, it was Sports center... they eventually announced it had been postponed to mid afternoon.....
Menlo declares for D3 baseball in most seasons as well.
Scores of Dec 19, 2009
Alma 88, Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 74
Army (NCAA-D1) 62, Mount St. Vincent 56 Closest score to D1 this season
Augsburg 68, Sacred Heart (PR) (Other) 65
Calvin 86, Trinity Christian (NAIA-D2) 59
Carthage 90, Calumet St. Joseph (NAIA-D2) 88
Concordia (California) (NAIA-D1) 76, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 55
Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 85, Buena Vista 73
SMU (NCAA-D1) 77, Occidental 49
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 63, Hope 55
UW-Stout 72, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 61
Valparaiso (NCAA-D1) 83, Concordia (Wis.) 57
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 96, Puget Sound 88
Waynesburg 80, Penn State Fayette (USCAA) 56
William and Mary (NCAA-D1) 94, Vassar 48
Standings with UMPI still considered D3 (waiting for any more input)
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 39
NCAA D2 10 37
NAIA D1 8 20
NAIA D2 85 86
NCCAA 31 14
USCAA 57 17
Other 33 2
hopefan: Regarding Maine-Presque Isle, I would agree with Ralph. The Owls are a member of the Sunrise Conference (an NAIA 2 conference), and according to the NAIA website they are declaring for the NAIA tournament. Thus, I'd classify them NAIA 2 this year unless different info comes along.
The Army-Mount Saint Vincent game was very close from the opening tip. Army led by one at the half and the game was tied at 54 with 5:10 remaining. With the win, Army goes to 8-2 on the year.
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Army (NCAA-D1) 62, Mount St. Vincent 56 Closest score to D1 this season
Army beat Harvard by 3 (at Army) this year. MIT plays Harvard in a week. Maybe they have a shot?
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Army (NCAA-D1) 62, Mount St. Vincent 56 Closest score to D1 this season
Army beat Harvard by 3 (at Army) this year. MIT plays Harvard in a week. Maybe they have a shot?
Assuming MIT is at least 4 points better than Mount St. Vincent, they've got a shot! ;D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2009, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Army (NCAA-D1) 62, Mount St. Vincent 56 Closest score to D1 this season
Army beat Harvard by 3 (at Army) this year. MIT plays Harvard in a week. Maybe they have a shot?
Assuming MIT is at least 4 points better than Mount St. Vincent, they've got a shot! ;D
And Harvard plays equally well on the road as at home.
I'm not trying to say they are the favorites, I'm just saying there's a chance.
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2009, 07:30:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2009, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Army (NCAA-D1) 62, Mount St. Vincent 56 Closest score to D1 this season
Army beat Harvard by 3 (at Army) this year. MIT plays Harvard in a week. Maybe they have a shot?
Assuming MIT is at least 4 points better than Mount St. Vincent, they've got a shot! ;D
And Harvard plays equally well on the road as at home.
I'm not trying to say they are the favorites, I'm just saying there's a chance.
Any Dumb & Dumber fans in the house?
hugenerd: Hit me with it! Just give it to me straight! We came a long way just to play you, Harvard. The least you can do is level with me. What are our chances?
Harvard: Not good.
hugenerd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Harvard: I'd say more like one out of a million.
[pause]
hugenerd: So you're tellin' me there's a chance... *YEAH!*
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 20, 2009, 09:33:22 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2009, 07:30:08 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 20, 2009, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 20, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Army (NCAA-D1) 62, Mount St. Vincent 56 Closest score to D1 this season
Army beat Harvard by 3 (at Army) this year. MIT plays Harvard in a week. Maybe they have a shot?
Assuming MIT is at least 4 points better than Mount St. Vincent, they've got a shot! ;D
And Harvard plays equally well on the road as at home.
I'm not trying to say they are the favorites, I'm just saying there's a chance.
Any Dumb & Dumber fans in the house?
hugenerd: Hit me with it! Just give it to me straight! We came a long way just to play you, Harvard. The least you can do is level with me. What are our chances?
Harvard: Not good.
hugenerd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Harvard: I'd say more like one out of a million.
[pause]
hugenerd: So you're tellin' me there's a chance... *YEAH!*
I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it. Honest.
But I think their chances are better than one in a million.
Let me interject here and put in my 2 cents...
Since we're talking about MIT, I'm sure there are plenty of really smart (and academically well educated) people reading this forum. Therefore, I will call on an interesting, if not well known method for determining the outcome of a specific game. I'm talking about the "Massey Ratings" (http://www.masseyratings.com/).
I'm not going to go in the fine details of how this mathematical model works, however I will point you to one of the elements of their model that you can find here: http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm
In there, written in laymens terms, you can find assumptions of probability for team A to beat team B. As you can see a "Great" team has 100% chance to beat a "Pathetic" team, but only 97% to beat a "Bad" team.
Of course the naming convention (great, good, average, etc.) used to rank teams is purely arbritrary because being classified as a "Great" team or a "Pathetic" team is not a judgment call. It will depend on your game history, in other words your record and who you played against.
I will let you guys debate this more objective way of looking at it.... :P
Quote from: oldchap on December 21, 2009, 01:24:08 PM
Let me interject here and put in my 2 cents...
Since we're talking about MIT, I'm sure there are plenty of really smart (and academically well educated) people reading this forum. Therefore, I will call on an interesting, if not well known method for determining the outcome of a specific game. I'm talking about the "Massey Ratings" (http://www.masseyratings.com/).
I'm not going to go in the fine details of how this mathematical model works, however I will point you to one of the elements of their model that you can find here: http://www.masseyratings.com/theory/sched.htm
In there, written in laymens terms, you can find assumptions of probability for team A to beat team B. As you can see a "Great" team has 100% chance to beat a "Pathetic" team, but only 97% to beat a "Bad" team.
Of course the naming convention (great, good, average, etc.) used to rank teams is purely arbritrary because being classified as a "Great" team or a "Pathetic" team is not a judgment call. It will depend on your game history, in other words your record and who you played against.
I will let you guys debate this more objective way of looking at it.... :P
I am pretty sure everyone who reads these boards is pretty well versed in the Massey ratings, because they are the only ratings that provide a mathematical comparison between divisions (that includes d3 teams). However, there are a few flaws in your attempt to start a quantitative, or objective, analysis on this game. 1) Most importantly, the Massey ratings are not published until 2010 so there are no ratings for either team yet. Therefore, even if you wanted to assign a number to the probability of MIT upsetting Harvard, you would be unable to at this point. 2) Without a doubt Harvard will be the favorite in this game and I dont think it makes a big difference whether an algorithm says it is 2 to 1 or 30 to 1. 3) Anything can happen on any given day. Massey publishes a list of the most "improbable" victories each year. If the numbers always held, that list would not exist. 4) The reason Massey does not publish the ratings this early in the season is because there is still a relatively small sample size of games. The way the rankings work are by solving an optimization function. Meaning that every game is taken into account in the rankings (unlike human polls where people mainly just look at the prior week). So the final rankings are based on minimizing some cost function (based on whatever criteria Massey is using) so that, in effect, every team is ranked in their most probable position in the rankings. If there were never upsets, the rankings would be flawless, but because of these upsets you have to find the most likely ranking for each team. Without going into more unnecessary details, like any rating system, the more games you have the more precise the rankings become and therefore providing ratings at this point in the season is rather arbitrary and even a few "unlikely" results can have a large impact on rankings.
My Final Conclusion: MIT has chance to win.
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 20, 2009, 09:33:22 PM
Any Dumb & Dumber fans in the house?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qULSszbA-Ek&feature=related
you just can't have that one without this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLoT5sWOmE&feature=related
Games of 12/20/09
Augsburg 68, Sagrado Corazon (Other) 65
Linfield 78, Simpson (Cal.) (NAIA-D2) 71
Nova Southeastern (NCAA-D2) 68, Goucher 58
St. Mary's (Md.) 71, Universidad Metropolitana (Other) 70
Good news, the Massey Ratings are out. Bad news, they are only available for D1 currently.
But I can tell you this according to oldchap's requested analysis:
Harvard is ranked 46th without MOV and 53 with MOV and have a raw score of 11.79, putting them in the "Good" team category. Therefore, here is the probability of MIT beating them, depending on how you rate MIT:
MIT is a(n) _______ team (compared to all teams in the country):
"Great" - MIT has 75% chance of winning
"Good" - MIT has 50% chance of winning
"Average" - MIT has 25% chance of winning
"Bad" - MIT has 10% chance of winning
"Pathetic" - MIT has 3% chance of winning
Some examples of current "average" teams that are listed for d1: Princeton, UC-Riverside, Columbia
Some examples of current "bad" teams that are listed for d1: Bethune Cookman, Monmouth, Navy, High Point, American
Some examples of current "pathetic" teams that are listed for d1: Alcorn State, Houston Baptist, Bryant, Mississippi Valley State
Since American already lost to a d3 team this preseason, I am going to use unsubstantiated logic and say that MIT has about a 10% chance of winning the game, plus or minus 10%.
Games of 12/21/09
St. Martin's (NCAA-D2) 79, Pacific Lutheran 58
Susquehanna 96, Sagrado Corazon (other) 87
UW-Oshkosh 85, Silver Lake (USCAA) 55
Quote from: hugenerd on December 22, 2009, 12:06:39 PM
Since American already lost to a d3 team this preseason, I am going to use unsubstantiated logic and say that MIT has about a 10% chance of winning the game, plus or minus 10%.
Lloyd would have been happy with these odds!!! ;D
Alcorn State 63, Mississippi College 61 (November 2nd exhibition)
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/MISS/mens/2010
Revise W_L with UMPI now considered NAIA-D2
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 38
NCAA D2 10 39
NAIA D1 8 20
NAIA D2 91 86
NCCAA 31 14
USCAA 58 17
Other 36 2
Moving UMPI from D3 to NAIA-2 is what's known in nautical terms as "jettisoning the ballast."
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 22, 2009, 10:54:25 PM
Moving UMPI from D3 to NAIA-2 is what's known in nautical terms as "jettisoning the ballast."
Don't you go bad-mouthing the Owls. >:( With the exception of Caltech (and, perhaps, Finlandia) they are our most beloved sad-sacks! ;D
hopefan, keep two sets of books - we're gonna regret it if UMPI suddenly gets hot and goes 9-5 against NAIA D2! :o :D
That might very well happen, Chuck ... if this website ever starts covering intercollegiate Nordic skiing. ;)
Wait, what? UMPI NAIA-D2?
Aw, hell naw!
They be ours, mainly because they're "North of Ordinary", which I think is 17 miles down the Aroostook Highway.
Quote from: smedindy on December 24, 2009, 12:26:20 PM
Wait, what? UMPI NAIA-D2?
I guess they turned out to be Presque-D3 as well as Presque-Isle.
games of 12/22/09
Eastern Illinois (NCAA-D1) 100, Franklin 40
Grand Valley (NCAA-D2) 66, Olivet 58
St. Thomas 80, Concordia-St. Paul (NCAA-D2) 78
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 39
NCAA D2 11 40
NAIA D1 8 20
NAIA D2 91 86
NCCAA 31 14
USCAA 58 17
Other 36 2
Game notes for Monday's MIT-Harvard game:
http://static.psbin.com/p/1/04p7uopd34cxni/11_MIT.pdf
I am disappointed. I thought a Harvard / MIT game would have game notes hand written by a feral monk in Sanskrit.
Quote from: smedindy on December 26, 2009, 05:28:48 PM
I am disappointed. I thought a Harvard / MIT game would have game notes hand written by a feral monk in Sanskrit.
It was but this is the translation I put together on my cross-country flight.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 24, 2009, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 24, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 24, 2009, 12:26:20 PM
Wait, what? UMPI NAIA-D2?
I guess they turned out to be Presque-D3 as well as Presque-Isle.
Tres bien!
For those that don't know........Presque Isle means 'almost an island'. so yeah +k
Quote from: hugenerd on December 26, 2009, 03:11:05 PM
Game notes for Monday's MIT-Harvard game:
http://static.psbin.com/p/1/04p7uopd34cxni/11_MIT.pdf
MIT played with Harvard for a little over a half (6 point game with under 19 to go), but the depth, especially in the post, was too much for MIT. MIT was outscored 43-7 off the bench and 54-18 in the paint. Was a good test for the young team, but the important games start again next week. The final score is a bit misleading because it was about a 15 minute game until about 4 minutes left when the benches cleared and MIT was outscored by 12 in those final 4 minutes.
One of those 'you've got nothing to lose' predictions....
Maybe, just Maybe, Westminster Mo could be competitive with D1 Tennessee Martin tomorrow the 30th.
Westmin has a 6 game win streak coming off a trip to No Illinois where they won at Elmhurst and Concordia Ill... In Westmin's early losses, theie starting forward Ky Millard was either still playing or just finished up his soccer season.... 2 very good frosh for Westmin are getting more experience and showing good stats.... Tenn Martin has only beaten Harris Stowe of St Louis, a below average D2 team.....
Yes there is likely still a big difference,... but if Westmin were to play its best game.... you heard it from the ol hopefan......
Point leads UST 36-31 at the half. See the WIAC in game updates for... in game updates.
Sorry, wrong board, misclicked
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 29, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Point leads UST 36-31 at the half. See the WIAC in game updates for... in game updates.
Or just click on this link and get the live stats: http://www.sidearmstats.com/uwsp/mbball/index.htm
Quote from: magicman on December 29, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 29, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Point leads UST 36-31 at the half. See the WIAC in game updates for... in game updates.
Or just click on this link and get the live stats: http://www.sidearmstats.com/uwsp/mbball/index.htm
Meh, my commentary is more entertaining for me. ;DSorry, wrong board, misclicked
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 29, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Point leads UST 36-31 at the half. See the WIAC in game updates for... in game updates.
Which one of these is the non-D3 team? ???
Quote from: David Collinge on December 29, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 29, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Point leads UST 36-31 at the half. See the WIAC in game updates for... in game updates.
Which one of these is the non-D3 team? ???
Sorry, misclicked.
Results of Dec 27, 28, 29
Baldwin-Wallace 96, Indiana East (NAIA-D2) 87
Brown (NCAA-D1) 74, Kean 63
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 79, Cornell 48
Defiance 114, OSU Lima (Other) 51
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 68, Hood 59
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 73, Wartburg 58
Florida Tech (NCAA-D2) 82, Geneva 66
Goshen (NAIA-D2) 95, Illinois College 79
Harvard (NCAA-D1) 88, MIT 61
Hawaii Pacific (NCAA-D2) 80, Gustavus Adolphus 73
Hope 72, Madonna (NAIA-D2) 68
Indiana East (NAIA-D2) 80, Mount Union 62
Lake Superior State (NCAA-D2) 72, Albion 57
Minnesota Duluth (NCAA-D2) 70, Northland 39
North Dakota (NCAA-D1) 69, St. Olaf 58
Pacific Lutheran 79, Simon Fraser (Other) 72
Portland State (NCAA-D1) 97, Willamette 90
Puget Sound 71, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 68
Texas State (NCAA-D1) 95, Texas Lutheran 70
UC Clermont (USCAA) 82, Bluffton 63
UW-Stout 82, Lewis-Clark State (NAIA-D1) 80
Winona State (NCAA-D2) 83, St. Mary's (Minn.) 70
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 45
NCAA D2 11 45
NAIA D1 9 20
NAIA D2 93 90
NCCAA 32 14
USCAA 58 18
Other 38 2
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 29, 2009, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on December 29, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 29, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Point leads UST 36-31 at the half. See the WIAC in game updates for... in game updates.
Which one of these is the non-D3 team? ???
Sorry, misclicked.
... Or I was just off by one night.
UWSP beats NAIA-II Viterbo 75-57
Result from December 30th:
Hawaii Pacific (NCAA-D2) 70 - Chapman 58
Here you will find my comments about the game:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5506.60
Happy New Year to all of you!!
I saw the ESPN ticker...
Cornell (NY) 73, PSU Behrend 49
hopefan,
Geneseo State lost to Division II St. Martin's 77-65 on Thursday the 31st
Here's another one. Redlands 56 Masters 75(NAIAD1)
Pomona-Pitzer 54 San Diego St. 89 (DI)
Manchester 55 Ball State 69 (DI)
Games of 12/30, 12/31
Adrian 103, OSU Lima (Other) 58
Ball State (NCAA-D1) 69, Manchester 55
Benedictine 81, Southwestern (Az.) (NAIA-D2) 65
Bowdoin 64, Johnson and Wales (Fla.) (USCAA) 61
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 64, Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA-D1) 62
Clarion (NCAA-D2) 81, Waynesburg 53
Concordia (California) (NAIA-D1) 91, Bates 58
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 73, Westminster (Pa.) 66
Cornell (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 73, Penn State-Behrend 49
Flagler (NCAA-D2) 86, Geneva 74
Hawaii Pacific (NCAA-D2) 70, Chapman 58
Hawaii-Hilo (NCAA-D2) 69, Gustavus Adolphus 50
Hope 77, Davenport (NAIA-D2) 62
Maryville (Tenn.) 83, Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 67
Master's (NAIA-D1) 75, Redlands 56
NJIT (NCAA-D1) 67, Polytechnic 31
Olivet 89, Ohio Dominican (NAIA-D2) 77
San Diego State (NCAA-D1) 89, Pomona-Pitzer 54
St. Martin's (NCAA-D2) 77, Geneseo State 65
Tennessee-Martin (NCAA-D1) 71, Westminster (Mo.) 59
UC Davis (NCAA-D1) 69, Whittier 53
UW-Stevens Point 75, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 57
Wartburg 94, Florida Tech (NCAA-D2) 90
Westminster (Utah) (NAIA-D1) 71, UW-Platteville 68
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 80, Central 75
William Jessup (NAIA-D2) 80, UC Santa Cruz 68
Wittenberg 75, Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 66
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 51
NCAA D2 12 50
NAIA D1 10 24
NAIA D2 99 92
NCCAA 32 14
USCAA 59 18
Other 39 2
not many more opportunities for a win vs D1...
1/2/2010 McMurry UT-San Antonio
1/2/2010 Stevenson The Citadel
1/2/2010 Texas-Dallas UT-Arlington
1/11/2010 Clarkson Cornell (N.Y.)
1/11/2010 Randolph VMI
1/24/2010 Goucher Princeton
Has anybody kept a D3 history vs D1 that could list wins?? (NO exhibitions included)
Quote from: hopefan on January 01, 2010, 12:22:06 PM
not many more opportunities for a win vs D1...
1/2/2010 McMurry UT-San Antonio
1/2/2010 Stevenson The Citadel
1/2/2010 Texas-Dallas UT-Arlington
1/11/2010 Clarkson Cornell (N.Y.)
1/11/2010 Randolph VMI
1/24/2010 Goucher Princeton
Has anybody kept a D3 history vs D1 that could list wins?? (NO exhibitions included)
No, but I think that we could start one here as part of the archives of the D3hoops.com
hopefully individuals can remember and document..... there have obviously been a few .
Funny thing is, I was involved with two many years ago when I was the assistant coach under Bill Kalbaugh at RPI. We beat Colgate 54-53 in the 74-75 season (the first year of organized D3), and Cornell 84-82 in the 75-76 season. In particular the win over Cornell was one of the highlights of my 5 year foray into coaching.... I'm so senile I can't for the life of me remember the Colgate game....
Let's have a starting point.
What do you recommend?
I can document this one from the ASC.
UT-Dallas 78, UT-Arlington 76. (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2006/12/30/unbeaten-ut-dallas-tops-d-i-school.html) 12/30/2006
McMurry beat UT-Arlington in Nov 1998, 80-76.
The article also has Carnegie Mellon winning at Princeton 51-46 on December 28, 2005.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
Let's have a starting point.
What do you recommend?
I can document this one from the ASC.
UT-Dallas 78, UT-Arlington 76. (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2006/12/30/unbeaten-ut-dallas-tops-d-i-school.html) 12/30/2006
McMurry beat UT-Arlington in Nov 1998, 80-76.
The article also has Carnegie Mellon winning at Princeton 51-46 on December 28, 2005.
As I have stated earlier on this board, the year CMU beat Princeton, Princeton finished 2nd in the Ivy League.
I also think there was a win or two over SIU-Edwardsville in the last couple of years since they became D1, but I cant remember the team or the date.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 03, 2005, 09:45:12 AM
Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.
2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61
I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.
Found this on the first page of this board, meaning there are 8 D1 wins over the 2002-2005 seasons that can be found.
Quote from: hugenerd on January 01, 2010, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 03, 2005, 09:45:12 AM
Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.
2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61
I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.
Found this on the first page of this board, meaning there are 8 D1 wins over the 2002-2005 seasons that can be found.
Don't you love the archive aspects of this board?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2010, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 01, 2010, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 03, 2005, 09:45:12 AM
Old School: The 2-60 record for this year is similar to the numbers for the previous three years.
2002...1-53
2003...3-54
2004...2-61
I don't see D3 doing much better against D1 in the near term. D1 teams that are vulnerable against a good (or even average) D3 team tend to downgrade opponents or even drop D3 schools entirely.
Found this on the first page of this board, meaning there are 8 D1 wins over the 2002-2005 seasons that can be found.
Don't you love the archive aspects of this board?
Im actually on a crosscountry flight again so I am trying to find all the D3 v. D1 wins from 06-present, by going through all 94 pages of the board. Hope to update soon.
December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound - 115, UC-Riverside (D-1) - 111
December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46
December 30, 2006
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76
November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75
December 4, 2008
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59
These are the 5 wins for D3 over D1 for the seasons 2006-present.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:08:16 PM
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I don't know if anyone has compiled the stats from earlier years (and the stats reported were only from NAIA-2, not NAIA-1), but from the first pages of the d3 vs. everybody thread I found:
2001-02: d3 118, NAIA-2 58
2002-03: d3 92, NAIA-2 60
2003-04: d3 93, NAIA-2 62
2004-05: d3 67, NAIA-2 70 (d3 16, NAIA-1 22)
2005-06: d3 119, NAIA-2 118 (d3 22, NAIA 31)
Two things strike me:
(1) the d3 dominance over NAIA-2 slipped a bit from 2001 thru (winter)2004, but crashed and burned after that.
(2) why a sudden increase of 100(!) games between 2004-05 and 2005-06? [My speculation - the record-keeping may have improved dramatically.]
If anyone can fill in the d3 vs NAIA-1 records, or records for either pre-dating 2001, it would be greatly appreciated! (Though the d3 vs. everybody board would be the more appropriate place to do it.)
Transferred so it won't be lost... ;)
Thought some might find this interesting.
Quote from: hopefan on January 01, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
Games of 12/30, 12/31
San Diego State (NAIA-D1) 89, Pomona-Pitzer 54
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 51
NCAA D2 12 50
NAIA D1 10 24
NAIA D2 99 92
NCCAA 32 14
USCAA 59 18
Other 39 2
hopefan,
Just a slight correction. You're showing the above game San Diego St. as NAIA-D1 but they are NCAA Division I. Your totals may not have to be changed, as you may have figured them as DI when you did the totals and just typed in the wrong classification when you did the scores.
Quote from: hugenerd on January 01, 2010, 04:11:02 PM
December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound - 115, UC-Riverside (D-1) - 111
December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46
December 30, 2006
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76
November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75
December 4, 2008
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59
These are the 5 wins for D3 over D1 for the seasons 2006-present.
If I am not mistaken, Houston Baptist and SIU-E were in reclassifying 'no mans land' those seasons. For the life of me, I can't get why schools like that move to D-1, especially since Houston Baptist left D-1 years ago.
Quote from: smedindy on January 01, 2010, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 01, 2010, 04:11:02 PM
December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound - 115, UC-Riverside (D-1) - 111
December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51, Princeton (D1) 46
December 30, 2006
Texas-Dallas 78, Texas-Arlington (D1) 76
November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78, Houston Baptist (D1) 75
December 4, 2008
Millikin 70, SIU-Edwardsville (D1) 59
These are the 5 wins for D3 over D1 for the seasons 2006-present.
If I am not mistaken, Houston Baptist and SIU-E were in reclassifying 'no mans land' those seasons. For the life of me, I can't get why schools like that move to D-1, especially since Houston Baptist left D-1 years ago.
Houston Baptist was in "no-man's land" in the NAIA-1 Red River AC (http://www.redriverconference.com/members.php).
That conference is extremely diverse in geography, in school mission and vision, and in historical background.
Since HBU left the RRAC, two other schools have left the RRAC for D-II, UT-Permian Basin and Texas A&M International
Thanks Magic, spelling error had wrong Division pulled down, but all else was ok....
The complete list (I believe) of D3 wins over D1 since the 1998-1999 season:
November 24, 1998
McMurray 80 - UT Arlington 76
November 19, 2000
Catholic 59- Albany 56
November 25, 2000
Augustana 76 - Western Illinois 71
December 18, 2000
Wartburg 72 - Central Florida 61
December 29, 2001
Macalester 90 - Yale 82
November 25, 2002
Fisk 69 - Tennessee State 65
December 4, 2002
Johns Hopkins 66 - Navy 61
December 20, 2002
Mary Washington 60 - VMI 56
December 4, 2003
Williams 78 - Holy Cross 71
December 4, 2003
Fisk 65- Tennessee State 63
November 30, 2004
Hampden Sydney 73 - Longwood 67
December 19, 2004
Gettysberg 75 - Navy 69
December 22, 2005:
Puget Sound 115 - UC Riverside 111
December 28, 2005
Carnegie Mellon 51 - Princeton 46
December 30, 2006
Texas Dallas 78 - UT Arlington 76
November 23, 2007
Shenandoah 78 - Houston Baptist 75
December 4, 2008
Millikin 70 - SIU Edwardsville 59
Wow. Those weren't exactly the cream of the D-1 crop. I remember those Tennessee State teams were just abysmal.
The big shocker was the win by Williams against Holy Cross. Yes, they were down but the year before they were 26-5.
Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64. Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.
Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State. Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!). (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 02:09:35 AM
Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64. Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.
Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State. Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!). (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)
North Park beat (I think) five D1 teams during the threepeat era of 1978-80. In 1979 the Vikings beat Jacksonville down in Florida, 79-69. Jacksonville won the Sun Belt Conference that year and went to the big dance. I'm pretty sure that that's the only time that a D3 team has defeated a D1 team that subsequently made it to the D1 tournament that year.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2010, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 02:09:35 AM
Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64. Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.
Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State. Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!). (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)
North Park beat (I think) five D1 teams during the threepeat era of 1978-80. In 1979 the Vikings beat Jacksonville down in Florida, 79-69. Jacksonville won the Sun Belt Conference that year and went to the big dance. I'm pretty sure that that's the only time that a D3 team has defeated a D1 team that subsequently made it to the D1 tournament that year.
Didn't Holy Cross go in 2003 when Williams beat them, or was it the next year (or previous year) that they went? I remember they were really close to upsetting Kansas in a 15/2 or 16/1 game.
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 02, 2010, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2010, 06:17:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2010, 02:09:35 AM
Can't give any further details, but in December 1982 IWU won at Arizona, 67-64. Since IWU was then both d3 and NAIA, but played post-season in NAIA, you may count it or discount it - your call.
Also, in both 1968-68 and 69-70, we beat Illinois State. Since they were then transitioning to d1, they refused to play us any more since the games "would not be competitive" (i.e., they were scared to death we might beat 'em again!). (I'm pretty sure they were fully d1 by that last game; not sure about the previous one.)
North Park beat (I think) five D1 teams during the threepeat era of 1978-80. In 1979 the Vikings beat Jacksonville down in Florida, 79-69. Jacksonville won the Sun Belt Conference that year and went to the big dance. I'm pretty sure that that's the only time that a D3 team has defeated a D1 team that subsequently made it to the D1 tournament that year.
Didn't Holy Cross go in 2003 when Williams beat them, or was it the next year (or previous year) that they went? I remember they were really close to upsetting Kansas in a 15/2 or 16/1 game.
They didnt make it that year, they were a 14 seed they year before and played Marquette in the first round, losing by 4.
Holy Cross did play Kansas tough as the 1 vs. 16 the year prior to that in 2002
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on January 03, 2010, 12:47:00 AM
Holy Cross did play Kansas tough as the 1 vs. 16 the year prior to that in 2002
Yep, I was getting my years mixed up... They lost by 4 to Kentucky as a 15 in 2001 in round 1, to Kansas as a 16 in 2002 by 11, and Marquette as a 14 in 2003 by 4 (ironically, by the same score as 2001). I played against a guy (Tim Szatko) in High School who played at Holy Cross, so I kind of kept tabs on them.
I couldn't wait... ;D
In overtime, Chapman beat 18th ranked Division II BYU Hawaii on the road by a score of 76 to 70. Congratulations to the Panthers!
I will be posting my commentaries of the game in the "West Region Independent" forum tomorrow.
Here is the link: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5506.60
D3 Maryville (TN) beat Tennessee Wesleyan and Bryan, both NAIA 2, over the wekend.
Games of Jan 1, Jan2
Chapman 76, BYU-Pacific (NCAA-D2) 70
Geneseo State (63) Western Washington, NCAA-D2 75
Keene State 106, Penn Tech (USCAA) 82
Mary Hardin-Baylor (77) Our Lady of the Lake, NAIA-D1 95
Maryville (Tenn.) 85, Bryan (NAIA-D2) 82
Merchant Marine 108, Vaughn (Other) 29
Northland 81, Southwestern (Az.) (NAIA-D2) 77
Plymouth State (46) Northwood (Fla.), NAIA-D2 70
Plymouth State (59) Olivet Nazarene, NAIA-D1 84
Redlands (54) Biola, NAIA-D1 65
St. Vincent 71, Penn State Fayette (USCAA) 67
Sul Ross State 95, Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 90
Texas-Dallas (64) UT-Arlington, NCAA-D1 72
Missing UC Santa Cruz - Cal Maritime
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 52
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 11 27
NAIA D2 101 93
NCCAA 32 14
USCAA 61 18
Other 40 2
This is too good to last, but McMurry leads UTSA 24-23 with 4:14 left in the first half.
In UTSA's last game, the Roadrunners beat Houston Cougars 83-82 on New Year's Eve.
McM 26 UTSA 25 3:21
McM 26 UTSA 29 1:51
McM 27 UTSA 35 Half
UTSA opened the second half with a 15-3 run (great defense) to pull out to a 50-30 lead in the first 5 minutes. McMurry began playing its subs shortly thereafter.
Final UTSA 84, McMurry 58. UTSA improves to 10-3, for their best start since the 2000-01 season. McMurry falls to 7-3.
Cal Maritime (NAIA-2) 75, UC-Santa Cruz 60
We can get a Concordia tournament. How about a Maritime tournament? Ahoy!
Maine, NY, California, Massachusetts!
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2010, 01:02:04 PM
Cal Maritime (NAIA-2) 75, UC-Santa Cruz 60
Don't either one of thses schools have an SID that actually spends time working at their job? Cal Maritime actually had the Conference Player of the Week this week but you can't find that out by visiting the school's website. And the Banana Slugs haven't posted a game score since Dec. 14th, 5 games ago.
Quote from: smedindy on January 04, 2010, 06:47:59 PM
We can get a Concordia tournament. How about a Maritime tournament? Ahoy!
Maine, NY, California, Massachusetts!
I'd root for Cal Maritime in that tournament. How could you resist a team nicknamed the Keelhaulers?
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2010, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2010, 01:02:04 PM
Cal Maritime (NAIA-2) 75, UC-Santa Cruz 60
Don't either one of thses schools have an SID that actually spends time working at their job? Cal Maritime actually had the Conference Player of the Week this week but you can't find that out by visiting the school's website. And the Banana Slugs haven't posted a game score since Dec. 14th, 5 games ago.
Somebody must have reported the game, since it's posted on the website of the Cal Pac Conference (Cal Maritime's league) and on the scoreboard of the NAIA website.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2010, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 04, 2010, 06:47:59 PM
We can get a Concordia tournament. How about a Maritime tournament? Ahoy!
Maine, NY, California, Massachusetts!
I'd root for Cal Maritime in that tournament. How could you resist a team nicknamed the Keelhaulers?
Quote from: magicman on January 04, 2010, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 04, 2010, 01:02:04 PM
Cal Maritime (NAIA-2) 75, UC-Santa Cruz 60
Don't either one of thses schools have an SID that actually spends time working at their job? Cal Maritime actually had the Conference Player of the Week this week but you can't find that out by visiting the school's website. And the Banana Slugs haven't posted a game score since Dec. 14th, 5 games ago.
Somebody must have reported the game, since it's posted on the website of the Cal Pac Conference (Cal Maritime's league) and on the scoreboard of the NAIA website.
I know but even that took over 2 days to show up. When hopefan posted on the SCIAC board asking for help in locating that score I went to the Cal Pac website and the NAIA website 4 or 5 different times on Sunday and they had nothing. I was going to check it on Monday when I saw that you already had. And I agree with smedindy about the Keelhaulers nickname. I think the Keelhaulers against the Banana Slugs has to be the nickname game of the year. :D
Jan 3 activity
Endicott 72, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 64
Roger Williams 75, Vaughn (Other) 54
Scranton 86, Penn Tech (USCAA) 65
Southwestern (Az.) (NAIA-D2) 76, La Sierra 59
UT-San Antonio (NCAA-D1) 84, McMurry 58
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 53
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 11 27
NAIA D2 101 95
NCCAA 32 14
USCAA 62 18
Other 42 2
January 4,5 activity
Capital 80, Ohio Dominican (NAIA-D2) 53
Dubuque 69, Clarke (NAIA-D2) 62
King (NAIA-D2) 113, Emory and Henry 108
La Verne 89, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 74
Lagrange 73, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 59
Louisiana College 77, St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D2) 66
Maryville (Tenn.) 109, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 53
Mississippi College 89, Belhaven (NAIA-D1) 79
Rowan 79, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 46
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 78, Minnesota-Morris 71
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 74, Neumann 68
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 53
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 12 27
NAIA D2 105 97
NCCAA 34 15
USCAA 63 18
Other 42 2
Games of Jan 6,7
Birmingham-Southern 94, Asbury (NAIA-D2) 91
Castleton State 75, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 74
Huntingdon 73, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 54
Neumann 85, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 54
Rowan 82, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 80
Tennessee Temple (NCCAA-D1) 90, Philadelphia Bible 58
Vermont Technical (NAIA-D2) 97, Green Mountain 60
Wisconsin Lutheran 99, Silver Lake (USCAA) 71
Yale (NCAA-D1) 92, Albertus Magnus 71
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 54
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 12 27
NAIA D2 107 98
NCCAA 36 16
USCAA 65 18
Other 42 2
Games of Jan 8, 2010
Atlanta Christian (NCCAA-D2) 92, Philadelphia Bible 69
Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 61, Lancaster Bible 60
Maine Maritime 78, Maine-Presque Isle (NAIA-D2) 68
RPI 70, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 67
SUNY-Canton (NAIA-D2) 73, Johnson State 72
UC Santa Cruz 64, Bethany (Cal.) (NAIA-D2) 55
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 54
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 12 27
NAIA D2 110 100
NCCAA 36 17
USCAA 65 18
Other 42 2
Games of 1/9/10
Geneva 76, Penn State Beaver (USCAA) 59
Lakeland 95, Silver Lake (USCAA) 56
Nebraska Wesleyan 81, Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 71
University of Dallas 69, St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D2) 64
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 54
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 12 27
NAIA D2 112 100
NCCAA 36 17
USCAA 67 18
Other 42 2
There are only 3 more D1 games on my schedule it doesn't look good for a D3 win
1/11/2010 Clarkson vs Cornell
1/11/2010 Randolph vs VMI
1/24/2010 Goucher vs Princeton
There are 34 more games vs NAIA D2 teams meaning 12 wins in those 34 games by D3 over NAIA D2 will get us the season championship. Given Maryville Tenn and Nebraska Wesleyan are involved in 18 of those games, that looks pretty good, but I certainly wouldn't yet call it a lock.
Guys - I'll be out of town on a big birthday trip and may not have internet access (unless I pay $15/day) - so you may not hear from me until Friday.
Quote from: hopefan on January 10, 2010, 12:26:30 PM
Guys - I'll be out of town on a big birthday trip and may not have internet access (unless I pay $15/day) - so you may not hear from me until Friday.
Yeah, you stay at those big fancy expensive hotels and resorts, and they charge you an arm and a leg for internet.
You just gotta put "free internet" higher on the list of preferences for lodging! ;)
Games 1/10/10 - 1/16/10
Berry (NAIA-D1) 74, Huntingdon 70
Birmingham-Southern 95, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA-D2) 86
Central Bible (NCCAA-D2) 60, North Central (Minn.) 54
Chapman 77, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 59
Colorado College 84, Johnson & Wales (Colo.) (NAIA-D2) 75
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 70, Nebraska Wesleyan 68
Cornell (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 82, Clarkson 37
Covenant (NAIA-D2) 70, Lagrange 66
Eureka 86, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 84
Finlandia 87, Silver Lake (USCAA) 71
Greensboro 88, Concord (NCAA-D2) 79
Husson 94, Maine-Machias (NAIA-D2) 78
King's 75, Penn State Hazleton (USCAA) 50
North Central (Minn.) 96, Trinity Bible (NCCAA-D2) 83
Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 78, Lakeland 76
Penn State-Harrisburg (NEAC) 85, Penn State York 54
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 62, Blackburn 58
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 80, Brockport State 73
Rochester 70, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 64
Rochester Tech 99, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 76
Sioux Falls (NAIA-D2) 80, Nebraska Wesleyan 69
Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 93, Shenandoah 79
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 78, Vaughn (Other) 57
UC Santa Cruz 68, Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 52
UC Santa Cruz 75, Menlo (NAIA-D2) 56
University of Dallas 84, Philander Smith (NAIA-D1) 69
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 73, North Central (Minn.) 66
VMI (NCAA-D1) 99, Randolph 88
Missing Rust vs Philander Smith
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 56
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 13 28
NAIA D2 118 105
NCCAA 40 20
USCAA 71 20
Other 43 2
games of 1/17/10 - 1/19/10
Drew 80, Vaughn (Other) 58
Finlandia 91, Northland Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 81
Nebraska Wesleyan 63, Midland Lutheran (NAIA-D2) 62
Rust 105, Philander Smith (NAIA-D1) 99
Rutgers-Camden 76, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 52
Southern Maine C.C. (Other) 111, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 102
UC Santa Cruz 60, Holy Names (NAIA-D2) 57
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 56
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 14 28
NAIA D2 120 105
NCCAA 42 20
USCAA 72 20
Other 45 3
1/20/10
Hastings (NAIA-D2) 72, Nebraska Wesleyan 55
Activity 1/21 - 1/23
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 83, Nebraska Wesleyan 70
Lancaster Bible 83, Penn State Mont Alto (USCAA) 70
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 101, Fontbonne 84
North Central (Minn.) 78, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 65
Spalding 68, Asbury (NAIA-D2) 58
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 70, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 69
York (N.Y.) 90, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 58
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 56
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 14 28
NAIA D2 121 107
NCCAA 43 21
USCAA 73 20
Other 47 3
hopefan,
Maryville (Tenn.) lost to Milligan NAIA D2 on Monday night 76-74
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
hopefan,
Maryville (Tenn.) lost to Milligan NAIA D2 on Monday night 76-74
On Massey's talley, that is something like #1150 defeating #600.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 01:01:56 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
hopefan,
Maryville (Tenn.) lost to Milligan NAIA D2 on Monday night 76-74
On Massey's talley, that is something like #1150 defeating #600.
Ralph
#1142 to #600 to be exact. The 542 places separating the two would make it Massey's 2nd least likely result in all of college basketball, as it stands right now.
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 01:01:56 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
hopefan,
Maryville (Tenn.) lost to Milligan NAIA D2 on Monday night 76-74
On Massey's talley, that is something like #1150 defeating #600.
Ralph
#1142 to #600 to be exact. The 542 places separating the two would make it Massey's 2nd least likely result in all of college basketball, as it stands right now.
Well I can claim some credit for the outcome. I put Maryville in my Posters' Poll Top 25! ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 01:01:56 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
hopefan,
Maryville (Tenn.) lost to Milligan NAIA D2 on Monday night 76-74
On Massey's talley, that is something like #1150 defeating #600.
Ralph
#1142 to #600 to be exact. The 542 places separating the two would make it Massey's 2nd least likely result in all of college basketball, as it stands right now.
Well I can claim some credit for the outcome. I put Maryville in my Posters' Poll Top 25! ;)
I almost did as well but went with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps instead. I'll probably jinx them.
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 02:01:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2010, 01:01:56 AM
Quote from: magicman on January 26, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
hopefan,
Maryville (Tenn.) lost to Milligan NAIA D2 on Monday night 76-74
On Massey's talley, that is something like #1150 defeating #600.
Ralph
#1142 to #600 to be exact. The 542 places separating the two would make it Massey's 2nd least likely result in all of college basketball, as it stands right now.
Well I can claim some credit for the outcome. I put Maryville in my Posters' Poll Top 25! ;)
I almost did as well but went with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps instead. I'll probably jinx them.
I did the same thing to Defiance last week. I put the Jackets #25 on my ballot, and they promptly went out and lost to previously winless Bluffton.
Maryville plays Milligan again, @Maryville, and I suspect a different outcome. I also think Maryville was reminded of some important basic principles and will not be losing more games for a while. Playing NAIA teams away on a Monday night this late in the season is not the kind of challenge it is easy to get motivated for, but in the long run this may have been one of those blessings in (partial) disguise.
Don't give up on the Scots. This team seems to have the potential to be pretty good but there are a lot of young players who are keys and they are still learning about consistency.
Or Milligan could now have confidence that they can beat anyone. Works both ways.
But yeah, Monday night games like that can bring out the sleepwalk in players.
Games of Jan 24, 25
Alvernia 85, Penn State Schuylkill (USCAA) 60
Lagrange 63, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 48
Milligan (NAIA-D2) 76, Maryville (Tenn.) 74
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 88, Goucher 35
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 65, Culinary Institute (Other) 42
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 57
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 14 28
NAIA D2 122 108
NCCAA 43 21
USCAA 74 20
Other 48 3
From the "SID's can find the positive in anything department", here's the sub-head for the game story on Goucher's website:
"Early 2-0, 4-3 Leads Dissolve Thanks to Princeton's 26-2 Run"
January 28 in Phoenix at 7 PM:
Chapman 79 - Southwestern College (NAIA and NCCAA) 66
Games Jan 26-29
Arcadia 77, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 51
Brooklyn 96, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 64
Chapman 79, Southwestern (Az.) (NAIA-D2) 66
Dana (NAIA-D2) 87, Nebraska Wesleyan 64
Eastern Mennonite 89, Southern Virginia (NAIA-D2) 68
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 83, Daniel Webster 76
Huntingdon 104, Trinity (Fla.) (NCCAA-D2) 57
Huntingdon 87, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 73
Lancaster Bible 90, Washington Bible (Other) 70
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 78, Principia 57
Lycoming 113, Penn Tech (USCAA) 89
Maranatha Baptist 79, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 74
Minnesota-Morris 84, Trinity Bible (NCCAA-D2) 75
Penn State York (USCAA) 68, Messiah 65
Piedmont 100, Johnson Bible (NCCAA-D2) 55
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 82, Lancaster Bible 72
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 57
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 14 28
NAIA D2 125 110
NCCAA 47 23
USCAA 76 21
Other 51 3
Dwight Wilbur, a starter on the 1985 Villanova team that "shocked the world" when they won the NCAA D-1 tourney, is the head coach at Berkeley (NJ).
He's the gent on the left and he's gained a few pounds since college.
http://www.berkeleycollege.edu/athletics/mens/basketball-gmt.htm
Games 1/30, 1/31
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 80, Concordia (Ill.) 63
Concordia (Wis.) 91, Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 73
Hampden-Sydney 81, Washington Adventist (USCAA) 72
Nebraska Wesleyan 83, Briar Cliff (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 74
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 57
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 14 28
NAIA D2 127 111
NCCAA 47 23
USCAA 77 21
Other 51 3
games 2/1 - 2/5
Alfred 68, Penn State Wilkes-Barre (USCAA) 54
Aurora 81, Silver Lake (USCAA) 54
Chapman 78, Southwestern (Az.) (NAIA-D2) 44
Faulkner (NAIA-D1) 84, Huntingdon 66
La Sierra 82, Southwestern (Az.) (NAIA-D2) 70
MacMurray 103, Concordia St. Louis (Other) 89
Maranatha Baptist 79, Kuyper (NCCAA-D2) 67
Nebraska Wesleyan 70, Doane (NAIA-D2) 55
New Jersey 110, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 64
North Central (Minn.) 99, Providence College (NCCAA-D2) 55
Piedmont 106, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 66
Principia 75, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 62
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 80, Sarah Lawrence (Other) 51
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 13 51
NAIA D1 14 29
NAIA D2 131 111
NCCAA 49 25
USCAA 81 21
Other 53 3
games 2/6, 2/7
Nebraska Wesleyan 73, Mount Marty (NAIA-D2) 59
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 91, Albany College of Pharmacy (Other) 80
Lemoyne Owens (NCAA-D2) 95, Rust 89
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 13 52
NAIA D1 14 29
NAIA D2 132 111
NCCAA 49 25
USCAA 81 21
Other 54 3
Feb. 8 Maryville (TN) NCAA D3 94 - Milligan NAIA 2 73
games Feb 8 - 12
Albany College of Pharmacy (Other) 75, Morrisville State 72
Chapman 72, Hope International (NAIA-D1) 35
Charleston W. Va. (NCAA-D2) 100, Methodist 70
Finlandia 85, Northland Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 59
Greenville 83, Logan Chiropractic (Other) 80
Harris-Stowe (NAIA-D1) 85, Blackburn 49
Huntingdon 70, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 63
La Sierra 63, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 60
Lagrange 81, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 79
Lancaster Bible 99, Davis (NCCAA-D2) 54
Maryville (Tenn.) 94, Milligan (NAIA-D2) 73
Nebraska Wesleyan 73, Midland Lutheran (NAIA-D2) 59
New Jersey City 74, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 40
Piedmont 95, Johnson Bible (NCCAA-D2) 48
SUNY-Maritime 89, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 57
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 13 52
NAIA D1 15 30
NAIA D2 135 111
NCCAA 54 25
USCAA 81 21
Other 57 4
Games of Feb 13, 14
Dordt (NAIA-D2) 84, Nebraska Wesleyan 59
Marywood 79, Berkeley (N.J.) (Other) 61
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 64, Rutgers-Camden 56
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 13 52
NAIA D1 15 30
NAIA D2 135 112
NCCAA 54 26
USCAA 81 21
Other 58 4
Games Feb 15, 16
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 99, Finlandia 67
Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 62, University of Dallas 54
Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 67, Maranatha Baptist 55
Rhodes 91, Free Will Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 68
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 82, Pratt (Other) 51
Tennessee Temple (NCCAA-D1) 80, Sewanee 60
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 13 53
NAIA D1 15 30
NAIA D2 135 112
NCCAA 55 29
USCAA 81 21
Other 59 4
Before someone asks:
Final Totals for 2009
D3 vs.
D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....9-26
NAIA 2....130-97
NCCAA 1....7-2
NCCAA 2....38-15
USCAA....67-12
Other....60-11
UW Stout destroyed NAIA-II Silver Lake 102-72. Silver Lake took a 1 point lead early in the second half, and then Stout took over, scoring 61 points in the half.
UW Oshkosh plays the now 0-23 Lakers this weekend
Feb. 17 Maryville (TN) D3 98 - Covenant NAIA 2 76
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 18, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
UW Stout destroyed NAIA-II Silver Lake 102-72. Silver Lake took a 1 point lead early in the second half, and then Stout took over, scoring 61 points in the half.
UW Oshkosh plays the now 0-23 Lakers this weekend
Silver Lake is a member of the USCAA now. They dropped from NAIA when they de-emphasized athletics 10-15 years ago. Now they are starting to build them up again as they are trying to transform into a more residential campus.
Games 2/17 - 2/20
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 71, Nebraska Wesleyan 57
Eureka 80, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 64
Franciscan 89, Christendom (USCAA) 48
Gallaudet 87, Christendom (USCAA) 70
MacMurray 84, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 71
Maryville (Tenn.) 98, Covenant (NAIA-D2) 76
Morningside (NAIA-D2) 71, Nebraska Wesleyan 62
North Central (Minn.) 91, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 72
Northland Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 74, North Central (Minn.) 69
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D1) 69, Huntingdon 56
Rust 113, Philander Smith (NAIA-D1) 108
Sage 84, St. Joseph (Vt.) (NAIA-D2) 70
UW-Oshkosh 100, Silver Lake (USCAA) 51
UW-Stout 102, Silver Lake (USCAA) 72
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 82, Lancaster Bible 68
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA-D2) 89, Penn State-Berks 58
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 13 53
NAIA D1 16 30
NAIA D2 137 114
NCCAA 57 33
USCAA 87 21
Other 59 4
NOTE missing 2/16 Milsaps - Wesley
missing 2/19 Chapman - West Coast Baptist
ANYONE help? not on Milsaps or Chapman sites - game is there with no result?
hopefan,
Chapman beat West Coast Baptist 82-52 on 2-19.
Alright Magic, that's one down!!!!
Anyone Anyone... did Millsaps and Wesley play?????
Seems like an odd game to play during the run to the SCAC tourney.
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2010, 07:05:59 AM
Alright Magic, that's one down!!!!
Anyone Anyone... did Millsaps and Wesley play?????
hopefan,
I received a reply earlier today from an e-mail I sent the SID at Millsaps. He was kind enough to inform me that yes the game was played and we can score one for the good guys as Millsaps beat Wesley 74-62. In fact I just checked and the score is now listed on the Millsaps D3 Hoops page.
Quote from: magicman on February 26, 2010, 02:33:25 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2010, 07:05:59 AM
Alright Magic, that's one down!!!!
Anyone Anyone... did Millsaps and Wesley play?????
hopefan,
I received a reply earlier today from an e-mail I sent the SID at Millsaps. He was kind enough to inform me that yes the game was played and we can score one for the good guys as Millsaps beat Wesley 74-62. In fact I just checked and the score is now listed on the Millsaps D3 Hoops page.
hopefan,
Hold everything! I went to the Millsaps website just to see if the score was posted there and much to my surprise their schedule shows Wesley beating Millsaps 76-64. ??? It also shows them with a 12-13 record instead of the 13-12 record the D3Hoops team page shows. I'm waiting for a reply from the Millsaps SID to confirm the correct score. I would assume that what he told me earlier is right and someone at Millsaps has entered the wrong info on their website but I would wait for confirmation before you do anything with your totals.
magic - nothing is ever easy, eh?
There are a few more scores to finish things up - possibly even next week - D3 schools in NCCAA tourney... I'll continue to monitor.....
Quote from: magicman on February 26, 2010, 06:24:32 AM
Quote from: magicman on February 26, 2010, 02:33:25 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2010, 07:05:59 AM
Alright Magic, that's one down!!!!
Anyone Anyone... did Millsaps and Wesley play?????
hopefan,
I received a reply earlier today from an e-mail I sent the SID at Millsaps. He was kind enough to inform me that yes the game was played and we can score one for the good guys as Millsaps beat Wesley 74-62. In fact I just checked and the score is now listed on the Millsaps D3 Hoops page.
hopefan,
Hold everything! I went to the Millsaps website just to see if the score was posted there and much to my surprise their schedule shows Wesley beating Millsaps 76-64. ??? It also shows them with a 12-13 record instead of the 13-12 record the D3Hoops team page shows. I'm waiting for a reply from the Millsaps SID to confirm the correct score. I would assume that what he told me earlier is right and someone at Millsaps has entered the wrong info on their website but I would wait for confirmation before you do anything with your totals.
hopefan,
I just heard back from the SID at Millsaps and Millsaps did indeed lose that game to Wesley 76-64. As smedindy commented earlier that it seemed like an odd game leading up to the SCAC tournament, well the Millsaps coach must have thought the same thing, because the SID stated that only Millsaps reserves played in the game. It was the hardest score I've ever tried to get ;D
Well, now that that long national nightmare is over...we can have peace in our time.
Or at least accurate records.
Or something... :D
As we wind down on another year of d3 over NAIA2, I gotta ask - how much of the margin comes from reclassifying UMPI?! ;)
UMPI was 0-6 vs d3 and 7-7 vs NAIA d2, and 0-1 vs D1
so we gained only 6 games on the won loss - D3 was 6-0 against NAIAd2 UMPI, we wouldnt have had that if UMPI had been D3
Umpi would have been .500 vs NAIA D2, instead, they are 0-0 those games are meaningless to D3.
We would have picked up one more loss to D1
couple of scores to report from the NCCAA playoffs:
2/24 Regional Semi-Final Geneva 71, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA d-2) 63
3/6 Regional Final Geneva 81, Nyack (NCAA d-2) 74
3/18 NCCAA quarterfinals:
Mid-Continent (NAIA d-1) 79, Geneva 57
Northwestern 70, Mid-America Christian (NAIA d-1) 61
The NAIA Division II National Championship was won by the 15th ranked University of St. Francis, of Fort Wayne, Indiana who defeated #1 ranked Walsh College of North Canton, Ohio 67-66 on Tuesday March 16th. It marked the 2nd time this season that St Francis had beaten Walsh having done so back on December 13th 86-75, when Walsh was then ranked #2.
St. Francis defeated the 18th-ranked team, the 2nd-ranked team, the 10th-ranked team, the 6th-ranked team and the No. 1 ranked team enroute to winning the NAIA Division II Men's Basketball National Championship.
I don't beleive either one of these teams played a D3 team this season.
To cap off the season, Northwestern is the first D3 team to win the NCCAA Division 1 championship (http://www.nwceagles.com/news/2010/3/20/MBB_0321100010.aspx?path=mbball#)!
2/19 Semifinals
Northwestern 83, Mid-Continent (NAIA D-1) 76
2/20 Finals
Northwestern 58, King (NCAA D-2) 54
also Geneva took 5th place in a great showing for D3
Geneva 79, Mid-America Christian (NAIA D-1) 76
Geneva 71, Palm Beach Atlantic (NCAA D-2) 68
Sorry for leaving this page at end of season... got far too tied up with the D3 tourney...
Here are final D3 W-L vs non D3 2009-2010
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA D1 0 58
NCAA D2 16 53
NAIA D1 18 31
NAIA D2 138 114
NCCAA 61 35
USCAA 87 21
Other 60 4
Thanks for filling in for Rhodes this past season, Hopefan!
To all who enjoy monitoring this page.... I took this over last year at the request of Rhodes Scholar, who had been doing it for years... I had intended to run a data base of all scores on a daily basis and coming up with non D3 competition was an easy part of it.... However, I will not be running the data base this year, so will not be able to supply the necessary info for this page. Several months ago I tried to contact Rhodes Scholar and he did not respond... now I notice he has not posted since March... My suggestion is that one of our other data gurus consider picking this up... it needs to be done with a data base... there are enough games out there that doing it 'manually' would surely become overwhelming and inaccurate over time.....
While I will not be doing a data base this year (you might call it pressure from the home front), I enjoy it enough that I'm thinking I will be back to it in 2011-12. Thanks to whomever volunteers for 2010-11.... ;)
Hopefan: I just saw your post and sent you a personal message. I check the site just about every day, but since I haven't logged in since March, I didn't get your message. Sorry to hear you won't be able to keep the totals this year. And I won't be able to either.
Let me echo Hopefan. I hope someone comes forward and takes over the reigns this year.
Doesn't look like anyone will be doing the totals this year. I'll log on from time to time and post some results when I can and will be more than willing to help locate scores if someone wants to do the totals.
Lot of teams playing against D1 schools tonight. Unfortunately we lost them all.
Southeastern Louisiana 91 Millsaps 45
San Diego 83 Occidental 66
Army 66 Vassar 49
Akron 89 Millikin 41
Texas-Arlington 88 Texas Lutheran 45
Stephen F. Austin 114 Howard Payne 49
Texas State-San Marcos 89 Sul Ross State 62
Coastal Carolina 112 Piedmont 52
Mercer 67 Oglethorpe 44
Chicago State 79 Concordia (Ill) 75
Troy 100 Huntingdon 59
VMI 106 Randolph 65
Tennessee-Martin 70 MacMurray College 49
I would note that these would all be considered exhibition games and would not count in w-l records..... ;)
Quote from: hopefan on November 13, 2010, 07:49:09 AM
I would note that these would all be considered exhibition games and would not count in w-l records..... ;)
See, that's why we need your expertise on this board. ;)
Notre Dame 72 Catholic 47
Also on "busy Monday," it was SJU 70, No. 8 D2 St. Cloud 65
http://www.gojohnnies.com/
CMS defeats NAIA D1 #1 Azusa Pacific 81 - 79!!
Colorado College defeats DI Air Forice, 60-57.
Where does this win rank in the DIII vs DI's?
Quote from: D3guy1107 on November 18, 2010, 01:58:41 AM
Where does this win rank in the DIII vs DI's?
I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in Leviticus as a sign of the end of times. But I could be wrong...
Quote from: D3guy1107 on November 18, 2010, 01:58:41 AM
Where does this win rank in the DIII vs DI's?
In 2010 Massey Ratings.
Air Force #311 at a 0.954 Index (#247 of 347 in NCAA D-I)
Colorado College #1365 at a -0.445 Index (#235 of 412 in NCAA D-III)
That is very impressive and improbable.
Air Force isn't the tournament team they've been in recent years, but they're a strong program. I wouldn't be surprised if a top 10 d3 team won, but CC makes a real statement.
Air Force's big homecourt advantages are the altitude and the close quarters in the gym (its super tiny with stands right on top of the players). CC isn't bothered by either of those factors (plus pre-Christmas crowds are often sparse at Clune).
Good win for the program.
Is there anyway that we can "divvy-up" the workload by regions and submit the results to a co-ordinator to compile the results for us?
Once we get into conference play, the out-of-division results slow down.
I'm still excited about this season's D3 wins over D1 and NAIA opponents.
The major success stories that I know of are:
Colorado College over Air Force Academy
Depauw over University of Evansville
CMS over Asusa(?) Pacific
Please help me with other wins that you can recall.
Coeball......The Depauw win was in an exhibition game and does not count in DePauw's record.... the other two win's were in regular season games and they count......
I would help, but I really need to get going on my business plan. I've given myself a six month window to get this thing really rolling or I'll be workin' for the man again.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2010, 02:18:45 PM
Is there anyway that we can "divvy-up" the workload by regions and submit the results to a co-ordinator to compile the results for us?
Once we get into conference play, the out-of-division results slow down.
Let's get this going!
If enough fans volunteer, by the end of the season, I will have recorded the outcome of all of the South Region non-D3 games for the ASC and the SCAC.
Any takers for the GSAC, ODAC and the USASouth in the South Region?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2010, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2010, 02:18:45 PM
Is there anyway that we can "divvy-up" the workload by regions and submit the results to a co-ordinator to compile the results for us?
Once we get into conference play, the out-of-division results slow down.
Let's get this going!
If enough fans volunteer, by the end of the season, I will have recorded the outcome of all of the South Region non-D3 games for the ASC and the SCAC.
Any takers for the GSAC, ODAC and the USASouth in the South Region?
I could do the Atlantic region: NJAC, CUNYAC and Skyline.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2010, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2010, 02:18:45 PM
Is there anyway that we can "divvy-up" the workload by regions and submit the results to a co-ordinator to compile the results for us?
Once we get into conference play, the out-of-division results slow down.
Let's get this going!
If enough fans volunteer, by the end of the season, I will have recorded the outcome of all of the South Region non-D3 games for the ASC and the SCAC.
Any takers for the GSAC, ODAC and the USASouth in the South Region?
Ralph,
I could do most of the East Region. Empire 8, Liberty League, and SUNYAC.
I can provide the out-of-D3 results for the NCAC and OAC, but I'm not sure I can be trusted to identify correctly the affiliations of those non-D3 opponents.
Quote from: David Collinge on November 25, 2010, 12:31:54 PM
I can provide the out-of-D3 results for the NCAC and OAC, but I'm not sure I can be trusted to identify correctly the affiliations of those non-D3 opponents.
Thanks, David! +1! :)
If you post the results, I trust that our friends will respectfully correct the affiliations.
This board is one of our favorites!
ASC Games
Nov 15th
D-2 St Mary's (San Antonio) 84 Sul Ross State 71
McMurry 82, Other (ACCA) Barclay College (Kansas) 25
Nov 16th
D-1 UTexas-Arlington 96, UT-Tyler 56
Hardin-Simmons 93, NAIA-1 Huston-Tillotson 80
Nov 18th
Louisiana College 81 New Orleans (provisional year-1) 78
I have a question of protocol for our "steering committee". Let us not include any outcome involving any of the provisional teams, whether year 1 or year 4, either a win or a defeat. Okay?
Nov 20th
D-2 Texas A&M Kingsville 55, Texas Lutheran 46
D-1 McNeese State 92 Louisiana College 53
NAIA -1 University of the Southwest 77, Sul Ross State 60
http://www.sulross.edu/pages/6222.asp?ssid=3910&nid=4088
Mississippi College 74, Pensacola College (NCCAA-1) 71
D-2 Dallas Baptist 94, Howard Payne 56
Nov 22nd
D-1 Texas Arlington 88, Hardin-Simmons 71
Sul Ross State 69, D-2 Texas-Permian Basin 68
Nov 23rd
Ozarks 90, Other ACCA Rhema Bible 64
NAIA-1 LSU-Shreveport 79, Texas Tyler 66
Vs D-1 0-3
Vs D-2 1-3
Vs NAIA-1 1-2
Vs NCCAA-1 1-0
Vs Other ACCA 2-0
SCAC vs non-D3 for the 2010-11 season.
DePauw, Oglethorpe, Rhodes, Hendrix, Southwestern and Trinity -- no games
Birmingham-Southern 2/14 Atlanta Christian (NCCAA-2)
Centre 12/16 Asbury NAIA-1
Sewanee --11/30 Johnson Bible (NCCAA-2)
-- 12/2 Free Will Baptist (NCCAA-2)
-- 2/15 Free Will Baptist (NCCAA-2)
11/16 -- Millsaps 72 Dillard (NAIA-1) 64
11/19 -- Millsaps 65 Pensacola Baptist (NCCAA-1) 53
Austin College 12/11 Rhema Bible (ACCA)
11/17 -- Colorado College 11/17 60, D-1 Air Force 57
-- 11/30 D-2 Regis
-- 12/14 CSU Pueblo
Vs D-1 1-0
Vs NAIA-1 1-0
VS NCCAA-1 1-0
MIAA results:
Siena Heights (NAIA II) 71, Adrian 65 - 11/23
Lake Superior State (NCAA D2) 79, Albion 69 - 11/20
Alma 77, Indiana-Northwest (NAIA II) 73 - 11/15
Alma 88, Madonna (NAIA II) 69 - 11/18
UM-Dearborn (NAIA II) 77, Alma 75 - 11/19
Davenport (NAIA II) 88, Calvin 79 - 11/16
Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 64, Calvin 63 - 11/19
Calvin 61, Aquinas (NAIA II) 44 - 11/26
Davenport (NAIA II) 81, Hope 67 - 11/23
Cornerstone (NAIA II) 85, Hope 76 - 11/26
Aquinas (NAIA II) 70, Olivet 63 - 11/16
Olivet 88, UM-Dearborn (NAIA II) 70 - 11/18
Olivet 94, Madonna (NAIA II) 79 - 11/19
Yeesh. Maybe I shoulda doctored these a little bit...
vs. NCAA D2, 0-1
vs. NAIA II, 5-6
vs. NCCAA 2, 0-1
Hope International 86 Caltech 53.
Hope jumped on them early shooting 61% from the field including 7/10 from 3 pt range and Caltech couldn't recover. There's a lid on the rim as Caltech is shooting 29% from the field through 3 games this year not to mention last years's leading scorer Mike Edwards at 18%. Ryan Elmquist is carrying the team so far at 19.7 pts per game and top frosh Cramer and Paluchniak are averaging 12 and 8 pts respectively.
It's only a matter of time before Edwards breaks out of the rut he's in and on any night is capable of going for 30. If the team can continue getting this production from Elmquist, and can get a little more from Cramer and Paluchniak, all they'll need are spot contributions from the bench and they'll be in every game.
With youth and injuries the league is wide open. Anyone can be beat on a given night.
Ohio Wesleyan 72, Indiana U.-East (NAIA 2) 64 (11/27)
Atlantic Region (All games thru 11/28)
Elon (D1) 99, TCNJ 68
NJIT (D1) 96, NYU-Poly 49
John Jay 66, Vaughn (other) 53
Maryland Eastern Shore (D1) 86, Kean 68
St. Joseph's, LI 111, Vaughn (other) 69
Virginia-Wise (NAIA 1) 81, Farmingdale State 76
Montclair State 90, PSU Mont Alto (USCAA) 63
Penn State-Brandywine (USCAA) 78, TCNJ 70
John Jay 84, St. Joseph's, Brooklyn (USCAA) 83
Montclair State 65, Berkeley, NJ (USCAA) 49
Sage 93, Albany Pharmacy (other) 71
Lehman 78, Vaughn (other) 51
Embry-Riddle (NAIA 2) 87, Medgar Evers 60
D3 vs.
D1....0-3
NAIA 1....0-1
NAIA 2....0-1
USCAA....3-1
Other....4-0
Mid-Atlantic Region (Games thru 11/30)
Wilkes 74, Penn State Hazelton (USCAA) 45
Drew 110, Berkeley, NJ (other) 77
Arcadia 80, Penn College (USCAA) 68
La Roche 85, Central Penn (USCAA) 57
Mount Aloysius 116, Penn State Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 113
Eastern 73, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 51
Navy (D1) 74, Neumann 62
Lycoming 90, Penn State Hazelton (USCAA) 46
Alvernia 107, Penn State Schuylkill (USCAA) 59
Lycoming 98, Penn State Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 58
Marywood 72, Penn State Hazelton (USCAA) 56
High Point (D1) 86, Gwynedd-Mercy 77
Juniata 82, Penn State Mont Alto (USCAA) 61
Delaware State (D1) 103, Philadelphia Bible 41
Susquehanna 92, Penn College (USCAA) 60
Goucher 63, Maryland Bible (other) 54
Mount Aloysius 108, Penn State Du Bois (USCAA) 86
D3 vs.
D1....0-3
USCAA....12-0
Other....2-0
East Region Games. I did this team by team to catch up.
Penn St.-Du Bois (USCAA) 90 Alfred 72 on 11-15
Penn College (USCAA) 61 Alfred 59 on 11-22
Alfred 73 SUNY Canton (NAIA 2) 49 on 12-1
Alfred 88 Paul Smith's College (NAIA 2) 43 on 12-5
Buffalo St. 97 Point Park (NAIA2) 89 on 11-19
Clarkson 103 SUNY Canton (NAIA 2) 62 on 11-19
Clarkson 98 Paul Smith's College (NAIA 2) 60 on 11-30
Geneseo St. 89 Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 60 on 12-4
SUNY Canton (NAIA 2) 68 Keuka 61 on 11-15
Nazareth 83 Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 74 on 12-1
Potsdam St. 74 St. Joseph's (Vermont) (NAIA 2) 59 on 11-19
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA 2) 82 Rochester Tech 72 on 12-3
RPI 104 Paul Smith's College (NAIA 2) 77 on 11-20
Sage 93 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 71 on 11-22
St. Lawrence 92 Paul Smith's College (NAIA 2) 50 on 11-16
Univ. Texas Pan American (D1) 95 SUNY Cobleskill 66 on 11-24
Berkeley College of NY (USCAA) 68 Vassar College 49 on 11-28
That's all games in the East region from November 15 through December 5th
D3 vs
D1..............0-1
NAIA 2.......10-2
USCAA........0-3
Other..........1-0
NWC conference school Pacific Lutheran defeats Division II Saint Martin's, 67-66.
PLU now 3-4 SM now 6-3. Losses to U of Wash and Chaminade. Pretty decent win.
http://www.golutes.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/201012081aaigu
East region
Fredonia St. 53 Houghton (NAIA 2) 52 on 12-09
RPI 87 St. Joseph's (Vermont) (NAIA 2) 68 on 12-10
Here's the WIAC's current record vs. non-D-III
Vs. NAIA-II | 5-3 | 2 to play |
Vs. NCAA II | 0-2 | |
Vs. USCAA | 2-0 | 1 to play |
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11/20/10 | Trinity Intl. (IL) | L 64-71 | NAIA-II |
11/23/10 | Viterbo | W 70-57 | NAIA-II |
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11/20/10 | Clarke (IA) | W 84-63 | NAIA-II |
11/27/10 | Silver Lake | W 90-62 | USCAA |
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11/23/10 | Bemidji State (MN) | L 87-89 | NCAA II |
11/28/10 | Sioux Falls (SD) | L 80-87 | NAIA-II |
12/18/10 | Viterbo | | NAIA-II |
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11/26/10 | Silver Lake | W 67-38 | USCAA |
02/19/11 | Silver Lake | | USCAA |
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11/23/10 | UM Duluth | L 74-78 | NCAA II |
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11/16/10 | Viterbo | W 74-41 | NAIA-II |
11/19/10 | Simpson (IA) | W 90-69 | IIAC |
11/27/10 | St. Thomas (TX) | L 59-63 | NAIA-II |
12/30/10 | Sioux Falls (SD) | | NAIA-II |
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11/19/10 | Clarke (IA) | W 66-49 | NAIA-II |
11/27/10 | McPherson (KS) | W 70-56 | NAIA-II |
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Southern Methodist 70, at McMurry 67
Link (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2010/12/18/MBB_1218104703.aspx)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2010, 11:22:14 PM
Southern Methodist 70, at McMurry 67
Where's the D3 team in this game? ;)
Quote from: David Collinge on December 19, 2010, 04:06:50 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2010, 11:22:14 PM
Southern Methodist 70, at McMurry 67
Where's the D3 team in this game? ;)
Beware the wrath of Ralph if you kick out McMurry prematurely! :D
Final: #1 Wooster 72 NAIA 1 Willliam Carey 55
Complete Ohio Athletic Conference results:
John Carroll 117, Indiana U. Northwest (NAIA 2) 80 (11/19)
Marietta 98, Salem International (D2) 95 (11/19)
Otterbein 85, Penn State Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 45 (11/20)
Grace Bible (NCCAA) 76, Heidelberg 66 (11/20)
Taylor (NAIA 2) 81, Heidelberg 65 (12/29)
vs. D1: 0-0
vs. D2: 1-0
vs. NAIA-1: 0-0
vs. NAIA-2: 1-1
vs. USCAA: 1-0
overall: 3-2
Complete North Coast Athletic Conference results:
Indiana U. East (NAIA 2) 90, Wittenberg 84 (11/16)
Wabash 66, Marian (IN) (NAIA 2) 51 (11/16)
Wooster 103, Cincinnati Christian (NAIA 2) 78 (11/17)
Allegheny 82, Penn State New Kensington (USCAA) 44 (11/23)
Ohio Wesleyan 72, Indiana U. East (NAIA 2) 64 (11/28)
Bryant (D1) 71, Oberlin 42 (12/29)
Wittenberg 62, Taylor (NAIA 2) 60 (12/30)
Wooster 72, William Carey (NAIA 1) 55 (1/1)
vs. D1: 0-1
vs. D2: 0-0
vs. NAIA-1: 1-0
vs. NAIA-2: 4-1
vs. USCAA: 1-0
overall: 6-2
Both conferences appear to be done with non-d3 games. I don't think I've missed any, but double-checking is appreciated.
MIAA results. Should be complete.
Siena Heights (NAIA II) 71, Adrian 65 - 11/23
UM-Dearborn 70 (NAIA II), Adrian 60
Adrian 61, St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA I) 52,
Adrian 68, Notre Dame College (NAIA II) 62
Lake Superior State (NCAA D2) 79, Albion 69 - 11/20
Albion 57, Spring Arbor (NAIA II) 49
Alma 77, Indiana-Northwest (NAIA II) 73 - 11/15
Alma 88, Madonna (NAIA II) 69 - 11/18
UM-Dearborn (NAIA II) 77, Alma 75 - 11/19
Western Michigan (D1) 109, Alma 50
Purdue Calumet (NAIA II) 89, Alma 85
Davenport (NAIA II) 88, Calvin 79 - 11/16
Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 64, Calvin 63 - 11/19
Calvin 61, Aquinas (NAIA II) 44 - 11/26
Calvin 81, Cornerstone (NAIA II) 76
Calvin 90, Trinity (Ill.) (NAIA II) 79
Aquinas (NAIA II) 78, Calvin 76
Davenport (NAIA II) 81, Hope 67 - 11/23
Cornerstone (NAIA II) 85, Hope 76 - 11/26
Hope 92, Aquinas (NAIA II) 69
Grace Bible (NCCAA 2) 93, Hope 90
Hope 104, Purdue North Central (NAIA II) 78
Hope 91, Marygrove (NAIA II) 68
Hope 86, Malone (NAIA II) 80
Davenport (NAIA II) 83, Kalamazoo 59
Aquinas (NAIA II) 70, Olivet 63 - 11/16
Olivet 88, UM-Dearborn (NAIA II) 70 - 11/18
Olivet 94, Madonna (NAIA II) 79 - 11/19
Grand Valley State (D2) 79, Olivet 45
Spring Arbor (NAIA II) 72, Olivet 61
Northwood (Fla.) (NAIA II) 81, Olivet 65
Trine 90, Miami-Hamilton (USCAA) 69
Trine 88, Purdue North Central (NAIA II) 72
vs. NCAA D1, 0-1
vs. NCAA D2, 0-2
vs. NAIA I, 1-0
vs. NAIA II, 14-12
vs. NCCAA 2, 0-2
vs. USCAA 1-0
someone check my math.
Miami-Hamilton is apparently USCAA.
..Adrian beat St. Francis, Ill (NAIA I) 61-52,
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/box_scores/20101130_44ws.xml
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 12:28:13 AM
Miami-Hamilton is apparently USCAA.
..Adrian beat St. Francis, Ill (NAIA I) 61-52,
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/box_scores/20101130_44ws.xml
Fixed. Thanks. We play too many non-D3 games, don't we?
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 02, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 12:28:13 AM
Miami-Hamilton is apparently USCAA.
..Adrian beat St. Francis, Ill (NAIA I) 61-52,
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/box_scores/20101130_44ws.xml
Fixed. Thanks. We play too many non-D3 games, don't we?
Not when geography, economics and the fact the two larger conferences in our region have fewer non-conference games available, and more D3 options closer to home.....and the fact that all 4 D3 conferences close to use not named the CCIW have started conference play in early December. Not to mention the two best NAIA II conferences in the country right now are the WHAC and MCC, right in our neighborhood.
The games that make no sense are the D1 and D2 games.
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 02, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 12:28:13 AM
Miami-Hamilton is apparently USCAA.
..Adrian beat St. Francis, Ill (NAIA I) 61-52,
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/box_scores/20101130_44ws.xml
Fixed. Thanks. We play too many non-D3 games, don't we?
Not when geography, economics and the fact the two larger conferences in our region have fewer non-conference games available, and more D3 options closer to home.....and the fact that all 4 D3 conferences close to use not named the CCIW have started conference play in early December. Not to mention the two best NAIA II conferences in the country right now are the WHAC and MCC, right in our neighborhood.
The games that make no sense are the D1 and D2 games.
It depends.
What was the gate from the D1 game, and what did you do with the money? ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2011, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 02, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 12:28:13 AM
Miami-Hamilton is apparently USCAA.
..Adrian beat St. Francis, Ill (NAIA I) 61-52,
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/box_scores/20101130_44ws.xml
Fixed. Thanks. We play too many non-D3 games, don't we?
Not when geography, economics and the fact the two larger conferences in our region have fewer non-conference games available, and more D3 options closer to home.....and the fact that all 4 D3 conferences close to use not named the CCIW have started conference play in early December. Not to mention the two best NAIA II conferences in the country right now are the WHAC and MCC, right in our neighborhood.
The games that make no sense are the D1 and D2 games.
It depends.
What was the gate from the D1 game, and what did you do with the money? ;)
2,319 showed up to watch WMU and Alma, so the gate couldn't have been that much. And surely Alma hasn't used any of the money to upgrade their webpage. ;)
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2011, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 02, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
Quote from: sac on January 02, 2011, 12:28:13 AM
Miami-Hamilton is apparently USCAA.
..Adrian beat St. Francis, Ill (NAIA I) 61-52,
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/box_scores/20101130_44ws.xml
Fixed. Thanks. We play too many non-D3 games, don't we?
Not when geography, economics and the fact the two larger conferences in our region have fewer non-conference games available, and more D3 options closer to home.....and the fact that all 4 D3 conferences close to use not named the CCIW have started conference play in early December. Not to mention the two best NAIA II conferences in the country right now are the WHAC and MCC, right in our neighborhood.
The games that make no sense are the D1 and D2 games.
It depends.
What was the gate from the D1 game, and what did you do with the money? ;)
2,319 showed up to watch WMU and Alma, so the gate couldn't have been that much. And surely Alma hasn't used any of the money to upgrade their webpage. ;)
Did Alma get a $5K or $10K guarantee? :) Thanks.
39 opportunities to play with the big boys Scheduled D3 vs D1 for 2011-12
11/15/2011 Howard Payne ASC vs Texas State
11/15/2011 Marywood CSAC vs Army
11/15/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Davis
11/16/2011 Randolph ODAC vs Norfolk State
11/17/2011 Lyndon State NAC vs Yale
11/18/2011 Rutgers-Camden NJAC vs Elon
11/18/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs Coastal Carolina
11/19/2011 Simpson IIAC vs Upper Iowa
11/20/2011 Polytechnic SKY vs New Jersey Tech
11/22/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Eastern Illinois
11/23/2011 Philadelphia Bible CSAC vs Delaware State
11/29/2011 Lewis and Clark NWC vs Portland
12/6/2011 Fredonia State SUNYAC vs Youngstown State
12/13/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs UT-Chattanooga
12/7/2011 Willamette NWC vs Montana State
12/8/2011 Linfield NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/9/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Southern
12/10/2011 Averett USAC vs High Point
12/10/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Tulane
12/10/2011 Methodist USAC vs Campbell
12/11/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Elon
12/12/2011 Arcadia MACC vs Lehigh
12/12/2011 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) IND vs New Jersey Tech
12/14/2011 Louisiana College ASC vs Rice
12/14/2011 Marietta OAC vs Ohio University
12/14/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Riverside
12/15/2011 Wentworth CCC vs Texas Pan American
12/15/2011 Wesley CAC vs William and Mary
12/16/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Coastal Carolina
12/16/2011 Pacific Lutheran NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/17/2011 La Verne SCIAC vs Cal State Fullerton
12/19/2011 Loras IIAC vs Northern Iowa
12/27/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Western Illinois
12/30/2011 Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC vs Cal State Bakersfield
12/31/2011 Texas-Tyler ASC vs Stephen F. Austin
1/3/2012 Oswego State SUNYAC vs Texas Pan American
1/7/2012 Albright MACC vs Cornell (N.Y.)
1/8/2012 St. Joseph's (L.I.) SKY vs Yale
1/14/2012 SUNY-Cobleskill NEAC vs New Jersey Tech
Texas State's website also lists an 11/11 game against Texas Lutheran. (I was checking to see if the Howard Payne game was an exhibition. It isn't, and the TLU game isn't listed as an exhibition, either...)
Smed - I'm thinking any D3 game prior to 11/15 is an exhibition, and Pat corrected me over in the SLIAC room that any game vs D1 from the 15th on must be real.....
OK. Well, it may be an exhibition but Texas State isn't noting it as such, and are promoting the heck out of it on their web site as a men's and women's doubleheader.
One more to add:
11/30/2011 Hope MIAA at Western Michigan
Quote from: hopefan on October 25, 2011, 09:34:38 PM
39 opportunities to play with the big boys Scheduled D3 vs D1 for 2011-12
11/15/2011 Howard Payne ASC vs Texas State
11/15/2011 Marywood CSAC vs Army
11/15/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Davis
11/16/2011 Randolph ODAC vs Norfolk State
11/17/2011 Lyndon State NAC vs Yale
11/18/2011 Rutgers-Camden NJAC vs Elon
11/18/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs Coastal Carolina
11/19/2011 Simpson IIAC vs Upper Iowa
11/20/2011 Polytechnic SKY vs New Jersey Tech
11/22/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Eastern Illinois
11/23/2011 Philadelphia Bible CSAC vs Delaware State
11/29/2011 Lewis and Clark NWC vs Portland
12/6/2011 Fredonia State SUNYAC vs Youngstown State
12/13/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs UT-Chattanooga
12/7/2011 Willamette NWC vs Montana State
12/8/2011 Linfield NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/9/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Southern
12/10/2011 Averett USAC vs High Point
12/10/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Tulane
12/10/2011 Methodist USAC vs Campbell
12/11/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Elon
12/12/2011 Arcadia MACC vs Lehigh
12/12/2011 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) IND vs New Jersey Tech
12/14/2011 Louisiana College ASC vs Rice
12/14/2011 Marietta OAC vs Ohio University
12/14/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Riverside
12/15/2011 Wentworth CCC vs Texas Pan American
12/15/2011 Wesley CAC vs William and Mary
12/16/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Coastal Carolina
12/16/2011 Pacific Lutheran NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/17/2011 La Verne SCIAC vs Cal State Fullerton
12/19/2011 Loras IIAC vs Northern Iowa
12/27/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Western Illinois
12/30/2011 Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC vs Cal State Bakersfield
12/31/2011 Texas-Tyler ASC vs Stephen F. Austin
1/3/2012 Oswego State SUNYAC vs Texas Pan American
1/7/2012 Albright MACC vs Cornell (N.Y.)
1/8/2012 St. Joseph's (L.I.) SKY vs Yale
1/14/2012 SUNY-Cobleskill NEAC vs New Jersey Tech
Upper Iowa is a D2 school in the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference. Northern Iowa is a D1 school in the Missouri Valley Conference.
thanks hickorycornhusker... must have been a wishful thinking Freudian slip on my part..... (Saw 'upper', but put 'Northern' in my sheet)
Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2011, 09:48:09 AM
OK. Well, it may be an exhibition but Texas State isn't noting it as such, and are promoting the heck out of it on their web site as a men's and women's doubleheader.
It's not the same rules for D-I and D-II teams. They can call it a real game and the D-III team can treat it as an exhibition.
Oooooh! That makes...no sense. But still...
1 more to add to the list.
39 40 opportunities to play with the big boys Scheduled D3 vs D1 for 2011-12
11/15/2011 Howard Payne ASC vs Texas State
11/15/2011 Marywood CSAC vs Army
11/15/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Davis
11/16/2011 Randolph ODAC vs Norfolk State
11/17/2011 Lyndon State NAC vs Yale
11/18/2011 Rutgers-Camden NJAC vs Elon
11/18/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs Coastal Carolina
11/19/2011 Simpson IIAC vs Upper Iowa
11/20/2011 Polytechnic SKY vs New Jersey Tech
11/22/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Eastern Illinois
11/23/2011 Philadelphia Bible CSAC vs Delaware State
11/29/2011 Lewis and Clark NWC vs Portland
12/6/2011 Fredonia State SUNYAC vs Youngstown State
12/13/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs UT-Chattanooga
12/7/2011 Willamette NWC vs Montana State
12/8/2011 Linfield NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/9/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Southern
12/10/2011 Averett USAC vs High Point
12/10/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Tulane
12/10/2011 Methodist USAC vs Campbell
12/11/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Elon
12/12/2011 Arcadia MACC vs Lehigh
12/12/2011 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) IND vs New Jersey Tech
12/14/2011 Louisiana College ASC vs Rice
12/14/2011 Marietta OAC vs Ohio University
12/14/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Riverside
12/15/2011 Wentworth CCC vs Texas Pan American
12/15/2011 Wesley CAC vs William and Mary
12/16/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Coastal Carolina
12/16/2011 Pacific Lutheran NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/17/2011 La Verne SCIAC vs Cal State Fullerton
12/19/2011 Loras IIAC vs Northern Iowa
12/27/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Western Illinois
12/30/2011 Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC vs Cal State Bakersfield
12/31/2011 Texas-Tyler ASC vs Stephen F. Austin
1/3/2012 Oswego State SUNYAC vs Texas Pan American
1/4/2012 Buffalo State vs University at Buffalo
1/7/2012 Albright MACC vs Cornell (N.Y.)
1/8/2012 St. Joseph's (L.I.) SKY vs Yale
1/14/2012 SUNY-Cobleskill NEAC vs New Jersey Tech
And another one to add to the list.
Make that 41 opportunities to play with the big boys Scheduled D3 vs D1 for 2011-12
11/15/2011 Howard Payne ASC vs Texas State
11/15/2011 Marywood CSAC vs Army
11/15/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Davis
11/16/2011 Randolph ODAC vs Norfolk State
11/17/2011 Lyndon State NAC vs Yale
11/18/2011 Rutgers-Camden NJAC vs Elon
11/18/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs Coastal Carolina
11/19/2011 Simpson IIAC vs Upper Iowa
11/20/2011 Polytechnic SKY vs New Jersey Tech
11/22/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Eastern Illinois
11/23/2011 Philadelphia Bible CSAC vs Delaware State
11/29/2011 Lewis and Clark NWC vs Portland
11/30/2011 Hope MIAA vs Western Michigan
12/6/2011 Fredonia State SUNYAC vs Youngstown State
12/13/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs UT-Chattanooga
12/7/2011 Willamette NWC vs Montana State
12/8/2011 Linfield NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/9/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Southern
12/10/2011 Averett USAC vs High Point
12/10/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Tulane
12/10/2011 Methodist USAC vs Campbell
12/11/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Elon
12/12/2011 Arcadia MACC vs Lehigh
12/12/2011 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) IND vs New Jersey Tech
12/14/2011 Louisiana College ASC vs Rice
12/14/2011 Marietta OAC vs Ohio University
12/14/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Riverside
12/15/2011 Wentworth CCC vs Texas Pan American
12/15/2011 Wesley CAC vs William and Mary
12/16/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Coastal Carolina
12/16/2011 Pacific Lutheran NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/17/2011 La Verne SCIAC vs Cal State Fullerton
12/19/2011 Loras IIAC vs Northern Iowa
12/27/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Western Illinois
12/30/2011 Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC vs Cal State Bakersfield
12/31/2011 Texas-Tyler ASC vs Stephen F. Austin
1/3/2012 Oswego State SUNYAC vs Texas Pan American
1/4/2012 Buffalo State vs University at Buffalo
1/7/2012 Albright MACC vs Cornell (N.Y.)
1/8/2012 St. Joseph's (L.I.) SKY vs Yale
1/14/2012 SUNY-Cobleskill NEAC vs New Jersey Tech
Well, let's make it more correct by eliminating the Simpson vs Upper Iowa, which had originally been input in error as D1 Northern Iowa..
40 opportunities to beat the Big Boys
11/15/2011 Howard Payne ASC vs Texas State
11/15/2011 Marywood CSAC vs Army
11/15/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Davis
11/16/2011 Randolph ODAC vs Norfolk State
11/17/2011 Lyndon State NAC vs Yale
11/18/2011 Rutgers-Camden NJAC vs Elon
11/18/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs Coastal Carolina
11/20/2011 Polytechnic SKY vs New Jersey Tech
11/22/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Eastern Illinois
11/23/2011 Philadelphia Bible CSAC vs Delaware State
11/29/2011 Lewis and Clark NWC vs Portland
11/30/2011 Hope MIAA vs Western Michigan
12/6/2011 Fredonia State SUNYAC vs Youngstown State
12/13/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs UT-Chattanooga
12/7/2011 Willamette NWC vs Montana State
12/8/2011 Linfield NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/9/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Southern
12/10/2011 Averett USAC vs High Point
12/10/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Tulane
12/10/2011 Methodist USAC vs Campbell
12/11/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Elon
12/12/2011 Arcadia MACC vs Lehigh
12/12/2011 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) IND vs New Jersey Tech
12/14/2011 Louisiana College ASC vs Rice
12/14/2011 Marietta OAC vs Ohio University
12/14/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Riverside
12/15/2011 Wentworth CCC vs Texas Pan American
12/15/2011 Wesley CAC vs William and Mary
12/16/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Coastal Carolina
12/16/2011 Pacific Lutheran NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/17/2011 La Verne SCIAC vs Cal State Fullerton
12/19/2011 Loras IIAC vs Northern Iowa
12/27/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Western Illinois
12/30/2011 Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC vs Cal State Bakersfield
12/31/2011 Texas-Tyler ASC vs Stephen F. Austin
1/3/2012 Oswego State SUNYAC vs Texas Pan American
1/4/2012 Buffalo State vs University at Buffalo
1/7/2012 Albright MACC vs Cornell (N.Y.)
1/8/2012 St. Joseph's (L.I.) SKY vs Yale
1/14/2012 SUNY-Cobleskill NEAC vs New Jersey Tech
Big Boy Pool:
Which of the 40 games vs the Big Boys will produce the most favorable scoring margin for a D3 team??? :o :o ??? ::)
Fun question because we D3 fanatics probably know a whole lot more about the D3 team capabilities than we know regarding the D1 teams!!!
I'd take Oswego State vs. Texas Pan American
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 01, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
I'd take Oswego State vs. Texas Pan American
Yeah, pre-season, that seems to be the best chance.
Although Elon's got two games against d3 and they're not very good.
Southern had the lowest Sagarin rating last year, maybe MacMurray will spring an upset there!
Quote from: hopefan on November 01, 2011, 10:11:08 AM
Big Boy Pool:
Which of the 40 games vs the Big Boys will produce the most favorable scoring margin for a D3 team??? :o :o ??? ::)
Fun question because we D3 fanatics probably know a whole lot more about the D3 team capabilities than we know regarding the D1 teams!!!
I'll take Wesley vs. William & Mary.
George Mason(RV votes) scores 18 straight late in 1st half to bust open a close game over Lycoming(MAC-Commonwealth) 90-62. (Washington Post)
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 01, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
I'd take Oswego State vs. Texas Pan American
I'm actually going to see UTPA play Northwestern a week from Sunday.. they're heading up to play both NW and DePaul that weekend.
The head coach is from the Chicago area and one of the assistants is my former teammate/roommate Nick Bennett from UWSP.
Back to 41:
11/8/2011 Christopher Newport Univ. vs Hampton University
11/15/2011 Howard Payne ASC vs Texas State
11/15/2011 Marywood CSAC vs Army
11/15/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Davis
11/16/2011 Randolph ODAC vs Norfolk State
11/17/2011 Lyndon State NAC vs Yale
11/18/2011 Rutgers-Camden NJAC vs Elon
11/18/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs Coastal Carolina
11/20/2011 Polytechnic SKY vs New Jersey Tech
11/22/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Eastern Illinois
11/23/2011 Philadelphia Bible CSAC vs Delaware State
11/29/2011 Lewis and Clark NWC vs Portland
11/30/2011 Hope MIAA vs Western Michigan
12/6/2011 Fredonia State SUNYAC vs Youngstown State
12/13/2011 Spalding SLIAC vs UT-Chattanooga
12/7/2011 Willamette NWC vs Montana State
12/8/2011 Linfield NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/9/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Southern
12/10/2011 Averett USAC vs High Point
12/10/2011 MacMurray SLIAC vs Tulane
12/10/2011 Methodist USAC vs Campbell
12/11/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Elon
12/12/2011 Arcadia MACC vs Lehigh
12/12/2011 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) IND vs New Jersey Tech
12/14/2011 Louisiana College ASC vs Rice
12/14/2011 Marietta OAC vs Ohio University
12/14/2011 UC Santa Cruz IND vs UC Riverside
12/15/2011 Wentworth CCC vs Texas Pan American
12/15/2011 Wesley CAC vs William and Mary
12/16/2011 Lynchburg ODAC vs Coastal Carolina
12/16/2011 Pacific Lutheran NWC vs Eastern Washington
12/17/2011 La Verne SCIAC vs Cal State Fullerton
12/19/2011 Loras IIAC vs Northern Iowa
12/27/2011 Eureka SLIAC vs Western Illinois
12/30/2011 Pomona-Pitzer SCIAC vs Cal State Bakersfield
12/31/2011 Texas-Tyler ASC vs Stephen F. Austin
1/3/2012 Oswego State SUNYAC vs Texas Pan American
1/4/2012 Buffalo State vs University at Buffalo
1/7/2012 Albright MACC vs Cornell (N.Y.)
1/8/2012 St. Joseph's (L.I.) SKY vs Yale
1/14/2012 SUNY-Cobleskill NEAC vs New Jersey Tech
Captain Bob... take it off the board please... for CNU, it is an exhibition game... there are a large number of them... the games in the discussion are real count em in the record games... (note - any game prior to 11/15 is exhibition - a real game, but doe not count in the D3 team records).
Sorry for the mistake, I wasn't aware of the 11/15 rule.
No problem Captain... and of course this would be the spot to post the results of exhibition games vs D1..... ;)
It looks like ESPN is airing some of these pre-season exhibitions. St. Mary's (MD) vs St. John's was on ESPN3 last night and the Transylvania-Kentucky game is scheduled for ESPN3 tonight.
I really appreciate ESPN3. We have basic cable from comcast, which means we get only the broadcast channels, but it does give me access to ESPN3, so there's very little I miss not having ESPN on the TV.
Clearly an exhibition game, but Augustana (Il) is playing at Valparaiso tomorrow. Augustana is ranked # 2 in the pre-season d3hoops.com poll, so this poses an intriguing matchup between a top tier Division 3 team and a solid mid major.
Coverage, including links to the webcast can be found on Augustana's web site at http://www.augustana.edu/x11824.xml?eventid=7177
Augustana has a considerable size advantage over the Crusaders.
Quote from: augie77 on November 02, 2011, 09:03:53 AM
Clearly an exhibition game, but Augustana (Il) is playing at Valparaiso tomorrow. Augustana is ranked # 2 in the pre-season d3hoops.com poll, so this poses an intriguing matchup between a top tier Division 3 team and a solid mid major.
Coverage, including links to the webcast can be found on Augustana's web site at http://www.augustana.edu/x11824.xml?eventid=7177
Augustana has a considerable size advantage over the Crusaders.
That is the opposite of 90% of the D-1 vs. D-3 matchups, at least from just a gut reaction.
So I watched about 45 seconds of the Kentucky-Transylvania game. Let's just say that it's probably worth the chance to play on the court at Rupp. The game itself is a bit silly.
I watched a creditable performance by St. Mary's in a loss to St. John's 77-70 on espn3.com. It was close throughout and tied with 4 mins left, despite reduced mins from McAuley who picked up 2 fouls in 1st min. Game is available for viewing on the website under the replay link.
Obviously, you mean St. John's (NY) not St. John's (MN). ;) Otherwise, that's a heck of a roadie for a weekday exhibition game!
Quote from: smedindy on November 03, 2011, 09:25:13 AM
Obviously, you mean St. John's (NY) not St. John's (MN). ;) Otherwise, that's a heck of a roadie for a weekday exhibition game!
...and St. Mary's (MD) not St. Mary's (CA)!
Derp! Of course!
Not to be confused with conference rivals St. John's (MN) and St. Mary's (MN).
... which might be still too far to travel for a midweek scrimmage. :)
American(Patriot) 62 - Randolph-Macon(ODAC) 61
Florida(SEC) 114 - Catholic(Landmark) 57
Valparaiso 74, Augustana 65.
Southern Illinois Edwardsville (SIUE) 70 Blackburn 56
In the Palm Beach Post today they wrote about the Florida / Catholic game with the angle that Billy Donovan's son plays for Catholic.
Have not seen this anywhere officially, but Point Special reports a couple of Twitter feeds saying Carthage downed d1 NIU, 74-70 in OT.
Also, don't recall seing it here but Randy Mac lost to American U by only 1 point a couple of days ago. (OOPS, reported just a couple of posts above. :-[)
They are both, of course, scrimmages, but still quite impressive.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
Have not seen this anywhere officially, but Point Special reports a couple of Twitter feeds saying Carthage downed d1 NIU, 74-70 in OT.
Also, don't recall seing it here but Randy Mac lost to American U by only 1 point a couple of days ago. (OOPS, reported just a couple of posts above. :-[)
They are both, of course, scrimmages, but still quite impressive.
TRUE (http://athletics.carthage.edu/news/2011/11/4/Mens_Basketball_1104113448.aspx) according to Carthage
TRUE (http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110411aaa.html) according to NIU
True according to PointSpecial
It must be true!!
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
Have not seen this anywhere officially, but Point Special reports a couple of Twitter feeds saying Carthage downed d1 NIU, 74-70 in OT.
Also, don't recall seing it here but Randy Mac lost to American U by only 1 point a couple of days ago. (OOPS, reported just a couple of posts above. :-[)
They are both, of course, scrimmages, but still quite impressive.
They are exhibitions, though. A little better than scrimmages for legitimacy.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2011, 01:09:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
Have not seen this anywhere officially, but Point Special reports a couple of Twitter feeds saying Carthage downed d1 NIU, 74-70 in OT.
Also, don't recall seing it here but Randy Mac lost to American U by only 1 point a couple of days ago. (OOPS, reported just a couple of posts above. :-[)
They are both, of course, scrimmages, but still quite impressive.
They are exhibitions, though. A little better than scrimmages for legitimacy.
True. I still have troubles remembering the difference between scrimmages and exhibitions. :P
Scrimaages are glorified practices. Exhibitions are 'real' games (they just don't count).
Someday I will get that straight! :P
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 05, 2011, 01:31:16 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2011, 01:09:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 04, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
Have not seen this anywhere officially, but Point Special reports a couple of Twitter feeds saying Carthage downed d1 NIU, 74-70 in OT.
Also, don't recall seing it here but Randy Mac lost to American U by only 1 point a couple of days ago. (OOPS, reported just a couple of posts above. :-[)
They are both, of course, scrimmages, but still quite impressive.
They are exhibitions, though. A little better than scrimmages for legitimacy.
True. I still have troubles remembering the difference between scrimmages and exhibitions. :P
Scrimaages are glorified practices. Exhibitions are 'real' games (they just don't count). Someday I will get that straight! :P
Don't worry, there's plenty of confusion (for some) later too... we're still in the
preseason...
Here's a link to the box score of the Carthage-NIU game. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/niu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/box_score/stats_20111104aaa.pdf
D-1 programs do tend to have multiple cows if they can't beat a D-3 team, though.
UWSP trails by 12 to Wisconsin in the exhibition in Madison.
Wisc came out and led 10-2, I think... and the teams have played pretty evenly since that point.
Point lost 80-54 to Wisconsin. Badgers hit a shot with 2 seconds left... I wish they hadn't, 78-54 just looks a lot better!
Pretty good showing overall... they shot around 50% for the game (don't have final stats yet) but pretty poor from deep.
#9 Wooster played on the road tonight against D1 Bradley University in an Exhibition Game.
Final: D1 Bradley 81 Wooster 71
Hampton (DI) 94, (at) Christopher Newport 79
CNU had a lot of hustle and outplayed HU for a good part of the first half (leading by as much as 6 or 8), but just couldn't keep it up. We only trailed by 4 at the half, but were down in the second by more than 24. I was disappointed by Hampton's attitude overall, their coach came out in sweatpants and none of the players had matching shoes.
Calvin 79, (D2) Ferris St. 72. (exhibition)
On the 12th, Hiram faces Akron as part of the 2K Sports Classic. Of course, it counts for Akron (and they upset Miss. State tonight) but is an exhibition for Hiram.
I guess the NCAA doesn't believe in balancing W/L records, do they?
Harvard 76 MIT 49
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
Calvin 79, (D2) Ferris St. 72. (exhibition)
Thanks for making the clarification, sac. I assumed anyone reading this thread probably knew that 'games' before November 15th are always exhibitions (or scrimmages), but the reminder can't hurt. Was it also an exhibition for Ferris State?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2011, 11:04:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
Calvin 79, (D2) Ferris St. 72. (exhibition)
Thanks for making the clarification, sac. I assumed anyone reading this thread probably knew that 'games' before November 15th are always exhibitions (or scrimmages), but the reminder can't hurt. Was it also an exhibition for Ferris State?
Yes, both teams viewed that one as an exhibition.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 11, 2011, 11:04:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 08, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
Calvin 79, (D2) Ferris St. 72. (exhibition)
Thanks for making the clarification, sac. I assumed anyone reading this thread probably knew that 'games' before November 15th are always exhibitions (or scrimmages), but the reminder can't hurt. Was it also an exhibition for Ferris State?
There have been times this game was an exhibition for Calvin, but a real game for Ferris State.
Southern Methodist 78 McMurry 49 last night in Dallas.
Emory falls to D1 Mercer 66-57.
D1 Akron defeats Hiram 95-65 on Saturday night.
Shenandoah falls to D1 Radford 79-50 on Saturday night.
Methodist loses to D1 Coastal Carolina 104-61 on Saturday night.
Bridgewater (Va.) loses to D1 High Point 95-52 Saturday night.
Howard Payne falls to D1 Sam Houston State 76-42 Saturday night.
Pomona-Pitzer stays close but falls to D1 Pepperdine 59-50 Saturday night.
Wright State (D1 I suppose) 80, Kenyon 56
An exhibition for Kenyon; I neither know nor care if it counted for Wright St.
Oh, David...it matters to us Horizon League junkies. ;D
Akron (D1) 95, Hiram 65
Exhibition for the Pups; any MAC junkies out there?
As I posted in the NCAC board (and here a few days ago), it's part of the 2K Sports Classic, so Akron gets to count it as part of an exempt tourney. Right now there are a lot of 'exempt' tourneys which are just twisting rules all sorts of sideways in D-1.
(And yes, I'm for the MAC too!)
D1 Stony Brook crushes Mount Ida 93-39 this afternoon. Smeds can't be for America East as well, can he? That's my conference as University of Vermont is just a ferry ride away.
D1 Louisiana Tech defeats Mississippi College 92-70 on Sunday afternoon.
Oh, I'm for about every non-power mid-major that had a team that captured my imagination, like Vermont a few years back! (That and I used to do power rankings for every D-1 hoops team (and D-3 hoops team) when I had time. Just sick of seeing 19-14 7th place teams make the NCAA tourney (or at least they used to). Thankfully that doesn't happen in D-3!
Quote from: smedindy on November 13, 2011, 08:42:14 PM
Oh, I'm for about every non-power mid-major that had a team that captured my imagination, like Vermont a few years back! (That and I used to do power rankings for every D-1 hoops team (and D-3 hoops team) when I had time. Just sick of seeing 19-14 7th place teams make the NCAA tourney (or at least they used to). Thankfully that doesn't happen in D-3!
Yeah, I'm with you on those thoughts. Siena and UVM are my 2 favorites.
D1 Wofford over Emory and Henry 70-55 on Sunday afternoon.
D1 Troy downs LaGrange 116-63 Sunday evening .
D1 Prairie View A&M defeats Schreiner 63-48 on Sunday evening.
Penn State-Altoona loses to D1 Navy 88-54 on Sunday afternoon.
Quote from: David Collinge on November 13, 2011, 07:17:53 PM
Wright State (D1 I suppose) 80, Kenyon 56
An exhibition for Kenyon; I neither know nor care if it counted for Wright St.
If it was played today, it probably counted for Wright state (D-1). D-1 teams started their season on Friday, so any game between that date (the 11th) and the rest of the season, 99.9% sure it counts for the D-1 school.
St. Joe(A-10) 90 - Scranton(Landmark) 52
D1 TCU crushes Austin 103-45 on Monday night.
D1 Texas-Arlington defeats East Texas Baptist 99-64 on Monday night.
Indiana University-East (NAIA 2) 92, Wittenberg 84
Viterbo (NAIA II) 73, UW River Falls 63
Results from 11/15
Coe 90, Faith Bapt. Bible (NCCAA) 60
Millsaps 65, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 63
Sewanee 71, Johnson Bible (NCCAA) 26
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 71, Pacifica (Other) 62
Clarkson 86, Paul Smith (USCAA) 69
Gallaudet 80, Maryland Bible (Other) 69
Geneva 64, Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 44
Green Mountain 83, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 80
Greensboro 96, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 71
Hope 63, Rochester (Mich.) (USCAA) 45
King's 79, Penn College (USCAA) 63
Lehman 72, Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 71
Lewis and Clark 65, Northwest Chrst. (NAIA-D2) 53
Lycoming 97, Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 63
Mount Aloysius 131, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 72
Pacific 70, Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 54
Pitt-Greensburg 92, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 83
Simpson 94, AIB College of Business (NAIA-D2) 68
Thomas 95, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 80
Washington and Jefferson 85, Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 83
Wilkes 89, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 50
Wisconsin Lutheran 81, Silver Lake (USCAA) 55
Ind.-East (NAIA-D2) 92, Wittenberg 84
Northwestern Ohio (NAIA-D2) 72, Adrian 69
Lake Superior St. (NCAA-D2) 83, Alma 74
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 69, Cornell 60
St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 91, Endicott 88
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 75, Greenville 74
Texas St. (NCAA-D1) 96, Howard Payne 65
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 67, Keuka 49
Corban (NAIA-D2) 71, Linfield 68
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 68, Olivet 62
Mount Marty (NAIA-D2) 66, Presentation 49
Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 60, Randolph 56
UC Davis (NCAA-D1) 84, UC Santa Cruz 78
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 73, UW-River Falls 63
Cal Baptist (NCCAA) 71, Redlands 67
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 2
NCAA-D2 0 1
NAIA-D1 0 0
NAIA-D2 3 9
NCCAA 3 1
USCAA 13 2
Other 3 0
Tough start against the NAIA. But they do get a head start!
I had listed games vs D1 before and invited guesses as to which game would be the 'best' margin for the D3 team.. not many guessed... but I wonder if any team will come closer than the Banana Slugs did last night, losing to Cal Davis by only 6... good prep for Davis, who plays Stanford next!!!!
FYI - Johnson & Wales (NC) is a USCAA school.
I'm also the SID for the USCAA as well as the APprentice School :)
forgive me, but I forget how the board handles dual membership schools. I'll point out Rochester College holds NAIA and USCAA membership. I think this is their 1st or 2nd year in NAIA.
I do not know which tournament they have opted for this year, if they have at all. Usually they've been in the USCAA tournament.
NNASID thanks , I made correction
Sac... I guess ;) ;)
Scores of 11/16:
Blackburn 97, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 64
Drew 90, Vaughn (Other) 49
Emory and Henry 77, Hiwassee (USCAA) 69
La Roche 72, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 71
North Carolina Wesleyan 90, Roanoke Bible (Other) 56
Occidental 81, American Sports (Other) 73
RPI 88, Cooper Union (Other) 72
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 75, Johnson State 46
Norfolk St. (NCAA-D1) 63, Randolph 43
Army (NCAA-D1) 95, Marywood 40
D3 vs .... thru 11/16
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 0 1
NAIA-D1 0 0
NAIA-D2 4 9
NCCAA 3 1
USCAA 15 3
Other 7 0
I clicked on Vaughn, which lead me to their conference, and then to a school that had a neat logo and nickname.
The CIA Steels:
http://www.hvmac.net/members/culinary/
Yes, the Culinary Institute of America has a hoops team.
I wonder if they beat an opponent, if Ted Allen comes on the PA and says, "You've been...Chopped!"
^^^
Nah, "sliced and diced" for blowouts, "parboiled" for close ones. 8-)
Quote from: smedindy on November 17, 2011, 10:32:21 PM
I clicked on Vaughn, which lead me to their conference, and then to a school that had a neat logo and nickname.
The CIA Steels:
http://www.hvmac.net/members/culinary/
Yes, the Culinary Institute of America has a hoops team.
I wonder if they beat an opponent, if Ted Allen comes on the PA and says, "You've been...Chopped!"
'boom' 3 points
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Results from 11/15
Geneva 64, Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 44
Lycoming 97, Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 63
Mount Aloysius 131, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 72
Pitt-Greensburg 92, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 83
Washington and Jefferson 85, Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 83
Wilkes 89, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 50
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2011, 08:39:20 PM
Scores of 11/16:
La Roche 72, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 71
It's just not a good time right now to be Penn State.
Quote from: smedindy on November 17, 2011, 10:32:21 PM
I clicked on Vaughn, which lead me to their conference, and then to a school that had a neat logo and nickname.
The CIA Steels:
http://www.hvmac.net/members/culinary/
Yes, the Culinary Institute of America has a hoops team.
I wonder if they beat an opponent, if Ted Allen comes on the PA and says, "You've been...Chopped!"
A dozen or so years ago, North Park played Kendall College, a school that was then located in Evanston (it's since moved into the city). Kendall's largest and most familiar component is a cooking school. Its basketball team, which has since been disbanded along with the rest of Kendall's athletic department, played its home games at Oakton Community College in nearby Skokie, and about thirty NPU students showed up there for the game. They were all wearing aprons and chef hats, and they'd all managed to scrounge up pots, pans, big spoons, etc., that they banged on throughout the entire game. In keeping with NPU's Swedish heritage, a number of them wore red bowties and bushy fake moustaches and eyebrows and jeered Kendall in Swedish Chef gibberish.
The Kendall players loved it. I'm guessing that it was the first, last, and only time that they ever played a home game in front of an audience that consisted of something other than parents and girlfriends.
You can add Penn College to those scores. It's a two-year school that is part of the Penn State University system. The graduates' diplomas read "Penn State University" on them. I only know that because my brother goes there.
King's 79 Penn College 63
"We are...not good."
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2011, 11:20:26 PM
You can add Penn College to those scores. It's a two-year school that is part of the Penn State University system. The graduates' diplomas read "Penn State University" on them. I only know that because my brother goes there.
King's 79 Penn College 63
"We are...not good."
It was already there Gordon, in the 11/15 scores.... ;)
Quote from: gordonmann on November 17, 2011, 11:20:26 PM
You can add Penn College to those scores. It's a two-year school that is part of the Penn State University system. The graduates' diplomas read "Penn State University" on them. I only know that because my brother goes there.
King's 79 Penn College 63
"We are...not good."
As a 2-year college, do games against it count? We will need to check the Handbook when it comes out.
Penn College confuses me too... They have also been referred to as Penn Tech in the past... My impression was that they had some 4 year programs because they play, and have played, a number of D3 schools, but I may be wrong.... If anyone finds that these games don't count for the D3 team, let me know and I'll delete from our records.....
Nov 17
Letourneau 78, Arlington Baptist (Other) 58
Yale (NCAA-D1) 101, Lyndon State 37
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 67, Sul Ross State 48
D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 5
NCAA-D2 0 1
NAIA-D1 0 1
NAIA-D2 4 9
NCCAA 3 1
USCAA 15 3
Other 8 0
The King's web site says: "Penn College of Technology".
A. The team is all freshmen and sophomores.
B. They have an archery team! That team (co-ed) had seniors and juniors.
C. They are members of the USCAA.
I think they count because of B and C.
A couple of D-III vs. D-II matches in Superior, Wis. this weekend. Tonight is Edgewood vs. Lake Superior State. Tomorrow, LSSU plays either UW-Superior or Finlandia.
QuoteIt was already there Gordon, in the 11/15 scores
I know, I was referring to Greg's post on the woes of Penn State athletics.
Penn College and Penn College of Technology are the same place. It's a technical college in Williamsport. I think the traditional academic program is two years but some people -- including my brother -- go there longer depending on their course of study.
I was in his dorm room one day and saw the media guide for the basketball team. They play in the same conference (PSUAC) as the other branch campuses that aren't Division III. So they are part of USCAA.
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2011, 12:31:21 PM
QuoteIt was already there Gordon, in the 11/15 scores
I know, I was referring to Greg's post on the woes of Penn State athletics.
Penn College and Penn College of Technology are the same place. It's a technical college in Williamsport. I think the traditional academic program is two years but some people -- including my brother -- go there longer depending on their course of study.
I was in his dorm room one day and saw the media guide for the basketball team. They play in the same conference (PSUAC) as the other branch campuses that aren't Division III. So they are part of USCAA.
Go there longer?
My niece attended Texas Tech. They have a 7- or 8-yr course of study for the baccalureate degree that is fairly common. ;)
Edgewood College defeated D-II Lake Superior State 78-77 in OT last night.
Games of 11/18/11 Trivia question, what avid D3 fan celebrated his 39th anniversary today, and therefore could not attend a D3 game?
Albright 91, Penn College (USCAA) 55
Alma 77, Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA-D2) 73
Bates 71, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 69
Calvin 92, Grace Bible (NCCAA) 88
Covenant 80, Free Will Baptist (NCCAA) 68
DePauw 98, Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 67
Edgewood 78, Lake Superior St. (NCAA-D2) 77
Endicott 102, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 53
Guilford 86, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 71
Heidelberg 89, OSU Lima (Other) 72
Lesley 70, Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 67
McMurry 98, Barclay (Other) 59
Medaille 72, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 61
Messiah 63, Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 40
Mount St. Joseph 57, Miami-Hamilton (Other) 50
New Jersey City 84, Williamson Trade School (USCAA) 35
Philadelphia Bible 73, Moody Bible (Other) 55
Presentation 79, Crossroads (Other) 62
Puget Sound 99, Portland Bible (NCCAA) 88
Randolph 88, Christendom (USCAA) 35
Sewanee 85, Boyce (NCCAA) 54
St. Vincent 70, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 46
Thomas More 110, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (Other) 51
Widener 115, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 47
Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 86, Averett 72
Colorado State Pueblo (NCAA-D2) 71, Colorado College 57
Virginia-Lynchburg (Other) 72, Emory and Henry 69
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 88, George Fox 70
Concordia (Ala.) (USCAA) 87, Huntingdon 82
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 69, New England College 55
Maryland Bible (Other) 89, North Carolina Wesleyan 83
Madonna (NAIA-D2) 76, Olivet 48
Elon (NCAA-D1) 87, Rutgers-Camden 53
Winona State (NCAA-D2) 89, Simpson 57
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 87, Spalding 43
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 67, St. John's 58
Jamestown (NAIA-D2) 78, St. Scholastica 45
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 85, Waynesburg 77
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 55, York (N.Y.) 42
Thru 11/18/11, D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 7
NCAA-D2 1 4
NAIA-D1 0 1
NAIA-D2 7 13
NCCAA 7 1
USCAA 26 7
Other 14 2
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2011, 12:31:21 PM
QuoteIt was already there Gordon, in the 11/15 scores
I know, I was referring to Greg's post on the woes of Penn State athletics.
Penn College and Penn College of Technology are the same place. It's a technical college in Williamsport. I think the traditional academic program is two years but some people -- including my brother -- go there longer depending on their course of study.
I was in his dorm room one day and saw the media guide for the basketball team. They play in the same conference (PSUAC) as the other branch campuses that aren't Division III. So they are part of USCAA.
Go there longer?
My niece attended Texas Tech. They have a 7- or 8-yr course of study for the baccalureate degree that is fairly common. ;)
I thought that was just because...you know....it was Texas. ;)
The entire PSUAC offers four-year eligibility. Penn College's basketball team may all be freshmen and sophomore currently, but they do offer four-year eligibility.
http://static.psbin.com/v/t/lp7hd81dbtmqqj/Constitution_and_Bylaws_august20101-1-.pdf
MIAA Games from 11-19
Hope 73, Spring Arbor (NAIA DII) 56
Madonna (NAIA DII) 78, Alma 73
Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA DII) 71, Olivet 62
Grace (NAIA DII) 78 Albion 67
Wabash adds two to the slate.
Saturday, they beat NAIA (II) Calumet College of St. Joseph 63-55.
Sunday, the knocked off St. Francis (Ill) (NAIA I) 84-59.
Games of 11/19/11
Albion 78, Grace (NAIA-D2) 67
Bridgewater (Va.) 85, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 41
Cal Lutheran 69, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 56
Covenant 82, Boyce (NCCAA) 60
Delaware Valley 86, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 73
Hiram 84, Notre Dame (NCAA-D2) 73
Hope 73, Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 56
John Carroll 95, Miami-Hamilton (Other) 73
LaGrange 73, Concordia (Ala.) (USCAA) 65
Lesley 66, SUNY Canton (USCAA) 53
Linfield 88, Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 72
Mary Washington 82, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 74
McMurry 98, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 64
Morrisville State 74, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 72
Pacific Lutheran 77, Portland Bible (NCCAA) 46
Pitt-Bradford 77, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 70
Roger Williams 52, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 44
Rutgers-Newark 86, Penn College (USCAA) 47
Sewanee 88, Free Will Baptist (NCCAA) 42
Suffolk 90, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 54
Wabash 63, Calumet St. Joseph (NAIA-D2) 55
Washington and Jefferson 62, Pitt-Titusville (USCAA) 52
Wentworth 61, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 43
Allegheny 89, Point Park (NAIA-D2) 91
Alma (73) Madonna, NAIA-D2 78
Caltech (63) Vanguard, NAIA-D1 78
Colorado College (49) New Mexico Highlands, NCAA-D2 71
D'Youville (67) Grace Bible, NCCAA 100
East Texas Baptist (69) LSU-Shreveport, NAIA-D1 71
Elmira (70) Marygrove, NAIA-D2 82
Finlandia (72) Lake Superior St., NCAA-D2 89
Franciscan (Ohio) (62) Akron-Wayne, Other 86
George Fox (70) Northwest (Wash.), NAIA-D2 88
Letourneau (46) Dallas Baptist, NCCAA 78
Lewis and Clark (49) Master's, NAIA-D1 65
Muskingum (37) Davenport, NAIA-D2 54
New England College (72) Berkeley College (NY), USCAA 96
Olivet (62) Michigan-Dearborn, NAIA-D2 71
Philadelphia Bible (60) Robert Morris, NAIA-D1 97
Simpson (71) Upper Iowa, NCAA-D2 78
Texas Lutheran (63) Texas A&M Kingsville, NCAA-D2 73
D3 vs thru 11/19
W L
NCAA-D1 0 7
NCAA-D2 2 8
NAIA-D1 0 5
NAIA-D2 14 19
NCCAA 10 3
USCAA 36 9
Other 16 3
games of 11/20:
Muskingum 60, Pitt-Titusville (USCAA) 45
North Carolina Wesleyan 82, St. Andrews (NCAA-D2) 77
UC Santa Cruz 76, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 67
Vassar 104, Culinary Institute (Other) 34
Wabash 84, St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D1) 59
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 70, Connecticut College 61
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 78, Polytechnic 28
Texas A&M Kingsville (NCAA-D2) 88, Sul Ross State 74
Davenport (NAIA-D2) 100, Washington and Jefferson 47
D3 vs.... thru 11/20
W L
NCAA-D1 0 8
NCAA-D2 3 9
NAIA-D1 1 5
NAIA-D2 15 21
NCCAA 10 3
USCAA 37 9
Other 17 3
The Steel just could get by Vassar - probably because their knives couldn't cut through the poetry anthologies they were brandishing.
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on November 20, 2011, 10:27:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2011, 12:31:21 PM
QuoteIt was already there Gordon, in the 11/15 scores
I know, I was referring to Greg's post on the woes of Penn State athletics.
Penn College and Penn College of Technology are the same place. It's a technical college in Williamsport. I think the traditional academic program is two years but some people -- including my brother -- go there longer depending on their course of study.
I was in his dorm room one day and saw the media guide for the basketball team. They play in the same conference (PSUAC) as the other branch campuses that aren't Division III. So they are part of USCAA.
Go there longer?
My niece attended Texas Tech. They have a 7- or 8-yr course of study for the baccalureate degree that is fairly common. ;)
I thought that was just because...you know....it was Texas. ;)
Yeah, it is that way in Texas. Why it is not uncommon for kids to disappear on 6th Street in downtown Austin (at the University of Texas) and not re-appear for years! ;)
Games of 11/21
St. Vincent 92, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 51
Cazenovia 82, Davis (Other) 78
MacMurray 87, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 65
Maranatha Baptist 86, Emmaus (NCCAA) 55
William Woods (NAIA-D1) 73, Principia 54
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 74, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 64
Portland State (NCAA-D1) 101, Linfield 64
Record thru 11/21 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 9
NCAA-D2 3 9
NAIA-D1 1 6
NAIA-D2 16 21
NCCAA 11 3
USCAA 38 10
Other 18 3
Games of 11/22:
Adrian 77, Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 67
Alfred 86, Penn College (USCAA) 40
Alma 77, Kuyper (NCCAA) 73
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
Centenary 74, Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 66
Gallaudet 86, Christendom (USCAA) 56
George Fox 68, Corban (NAIA-D2) 64
Lehman 78, Vaughn (Other) 46
Middlebury 61, St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 48
Montclair State 77, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 53
North Carolina Wesleyan 88, Roanoke Bible (Other) 51
Pacific 65, Northwest Chrst. (NAIA-D2) 37
Piedmont 107, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA) 59
Puget Sound 93, Portland Bible (NCCAA) 58
Ripon 75, Silver Lake (USCAA) 59
Rutgers-Camden 54, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 50
UW-La Crosse 53, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 36
Westfield State 80, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 66
Whittier 93, Vanguard (NAIA-D1) 78
Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 81, Blackburn 79
Metro St. (NCAA-D2) 71, Colorado College 43
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 96, Concordia-Moorhead 56
Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 67, Franciscan (Ohio) 63
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 89, Geneva 83
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 77, Johnson State 73
Houghton (NAIA-D2) 68, Keuka 63
Jamestown (NAIA-D2) 80, Minnesota-Morris 64
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 70, Nebraska Wesleyan 65
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 82, Olivet 46
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 76, Redlands 69
Bluefield (NAIA-D2) 84, Roanoke 81
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 79, St. Scholastica 53
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 92, Trine 68
Arlington Baptist (Other) 59, University of Dallas 55
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 70, UW-Stout 57
Minnesota Duluth (NCAA-D2) 75, UW-Superior 54
Standings D3 vs : thru 11/22
W L
NCAA-D1 0 9
NCAA-D2 3 15
NAIA-D1 2 7
NAIA-D2 21 26
NCCAA 14 3
USCAA 45 14
Other 21 4
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
Games of 11/22:
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
No longer a newsworthy event. Ho-hum, just another Beaver victory.
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
Games of 11/22:
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
No longer a newsworthy event. Ho-hum, just another Beaver victory.
Even more shocking when combined with last night's score:
Occidental 66 Pacifica 67 Final
Here is a score from Tuesday:
Delaware State(D1) 104 Philly Bible 41.
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2011, 05:59:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
Games of 11/22:
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
No longer a newsworthy event. Ho-hum, just another Beaver victory.
Even more shocking when combined with last night's score:
Occidental 66 Pacifica 67 Final
But then, of course,
2/22 Caltech 46 Occidental 45
It all adds up!
Games of 11/23
Bluffton 74 Ohio Mid-Western USCAA 61
Eastern Illinois NCAA-D1 87 Eureka 56
Pacifica Other 67 Occidental 66
Delaware State NCAA-D1 104 Philadelphia Bible 41
Northern State NCAA-D2 86 Presentation 42
Shawnee State NAIA-D1 60 Wilmington 56
W/L vs D3 thru 11/23
W L
NCAA-D1 0 11
NCAA-D2 3 16
NAIA-D1 2 8
NAIA-D2 21 26
NCCAA 14 3
USCAA 46 14
Other 21 5
Holiday Bonus!!!
Coference W/L vs NON Conference D3
1 Newmac 24 4 0.857
2 NWC 7 2 0.778
3 WIAC 20 7 0.741
4 LEC 20 8 0.714
5 ASC 13 6 0.684
6 UAA 17 8 0.680
7 Mascac 17 9 0.654
8 CCIW 17 9 0.654
9 NESCAC 17 9 0.654
10 MIAA 7 4 0.636
11 MACC 14 9 0.609
12 ODAC 17 11 0.607
13 CAC 15 10 0.600
14 Landmark 15 10 0.600
15 NJAC 18 12 0.600
16 HCAC 19 13 0.594
17 MIAC 16 11 0.593
18 NCAC 14 10 0.583
19 PrAC 14 10 0.583
20 E8 15 11 0.577
21 LL 10 8 0.556
22 OAC 14 12 0.538
23 SUNYAC 16 15 0.516
24 IIAC 12 12 0.500
25 CUNY 13 15 0.464
26 MACF 12 14 0.462
27 MWC 11 13 0.458
28 CSAC 11 13 0.458
29 CC 13 16 0.448
30 Sky 12 15 0.444
31 NATCH 15 19 0.441
32 SCAC 17 23 0.425
33 GNAC 11 16 0.407
34 GSAC 4 6 0.4
35 CCC 11 18 0.379
36 Independent 8 18 0.308
37 SLIAC 6 14 0.300
38 USAC 6 14 0.300
39 AMCC 6 20 0.231
40 NECC 6 20 0.231
41 SCIAC 2 7 0.222
42 UMAC 4 16 0.200
43 NAC 3 21 0.125
44 NEAC 3 24 0.111
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2011, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2011, 05:59:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
Games of 11/22:
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
No longer a newsworthy event. Ho-hum, just another Beaver victory.
Even more shocking when combined with last night's score:
Occidental 66 Pacifica 67 Final
But then, of course,
2/22 Caltech 46 Occidental 45
It all adds up!
Has someone talked OxyBob down?
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2011, 05:59:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
Games of 11/22:
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
No longer a newsworthy event. Ho-hum, just another Beaver victory.
Even more shocking when combined with last night's score:
Occidental 66 Pacifica 67 Final
Not really all that shocking. Caltech had 6 or 7 conference games they could have won last year. Just so happened they only won once and beat Occidental. They're a deeper, more experienced team this year so I'd be surprised if they don't pick up multiple conference wins.
Quote from: goldsoundz on November 24, 2011, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2011, 05:59:21 AM
Quote from: David Collinge on November 24, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
Games of 11/22:
Caltech 63, Pacifica (Other) 62
No longer a newsworthy event. Ho-hum, just another Beaver victory.
Even more shocking when combined with last night's score:
Occidental 66 Pacifica 67 Final
Not really all that shocking. Caltech had 6 or 7 conference games they could have won last year. Just so happened they only won once and beat Occidental. They're a deeper, more experienced team this year so I'd be surprised if they don't pick up multiple conference wins.
One sign of progress: in the 'winless' pool, Caltech used to be annually one of the first teams selected. This year I doubt anyone even considered them. ;)
hopefan,
Any idea why Southern Va. 58 Southern Utah 75 was listed as a score on the Nov. 23rd scoreboard? Maybe Pat can tell us. I don't think either school is D3.
I believe Southern Va. is in an "exploratory" year for changing to DIII. I'm assuming that is the reason most of their games are listed on the scoreboard, but please correct me if I'm wrong
Quote from: magicman on November 25, 2011, 03:37:15 AM
hopefan,
Any idea why Southern Va. 58 Southern Utah 75 was listed as a score on the Nov. 23rd scoreboard? Maybe Pat can tell us. I don't think either school is D3.
They've been on several times.. Augie may be right, but They aren't in my data base as D3 because they aren't listed as D3 under the D3hoops teams section
Southern Virginia's web site lists the NAIA and USCAA logos.
Southern Utah's web site lists the Big Sky and Summitt League logos, which are D1 Conferences.
That is all I could find.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2011/June/DIII+Membership+Committee+recommends+four+new+active+members (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2011/June/DIII+Membership+Committee+recommends+four+new+active+members)
This was the press release from earlier this year. There are several teams that are exploring DIII this year although I only remember seeing Southen Va show up on the scoreboard.
They shouldn't be on the scoreboard, and I believe I filtered them out.
We have access to Southern Virginia (and others, Fisher, Albany Pharmacy) in our database because they play a number of Division III schools and it's easier to make all of the Southern Virginia games non-region at the same time.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2011, 11:01:42 AM
They shouldn't be on the scoreboard, and I believe I filtered them out.
We have access to Southern Virginia (and others, Fisher, Albany Pharmacy) in our database because they play a number of Division III schools and it's easier to make all of the Southern Virginia games non-region at the same time.
Well then, I guess I'm glad I brought it up. ;D
Well, technically, I filtered them out the other day and just got here to read this morning but glad I was able to answer the question.
Scores of 11/25
Hope (67) Aquinas, NAIA-D2 65
Puget Sound (88) Evergreen St., NAIA-D2 76
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 94, Calvin 77
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 83, Linfield 63
Westminster (Utah) (NAIA-D1) 81, Lyndon State 46
Victory (NCCAA) 82, Spalding 72
Montana Tech (NAIA-D1) 79, Willamette 74
D3 W/L vs
W L
NCAA-D1 0 11
NCAA-D2 3 16
NAIA-D1 2 10
NAIA-D2 23 28
NCCAA 14 4
USCAA 46 14
Other 21 5
Results of 11/26
Adrian 80, Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 78
DePauw 63, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 43
Grinnell 150, William Penn (NAIA-D2) 137
Hamilton 86, Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 55
Hope 80, Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 76
John Carroll 91, Victory (NCCAA) 65
Lewis and Clark 82, Eastern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 69
Muhlenberg 68, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 60
Pacific 75, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 44
St. Thomas 94, Concordia-St. Paul (NCAA-D2) 88
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 69, Calvin 63
Northwest Chrst. (NAIA-D2) 69, George Fox 57
Carroll Mt (NAIA-D1) 103, Lyndon State 58
Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 79, Pacific Lutheran 72
Jamestown (NAIA-D2) 80, Presentation 40
Graceland (NAIA-D1) 97, Simpson 86
Robert Morris-Lake County (USCAA) 80, Wartburg 57
Corban (NAIA-D2) 105, Willamette 69
W/L vs non D3 ..... we pick up a game vs NAIA D2
W L
NCAA-D1 0 11
NCAA-D2 4 16
NAIA-D1 2 12
NAIA-D2 29 33
NCCAA 16 4
USCAA 47 15
Other 21 5
Games of 11/27
Edgewood 65, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 64
Elmhurst 66, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 56
McDaniel 64, Penn State York (USCAA) 45
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 78, Gallaudet 71
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 89, SUNY-Cobleskill 73
Edinboro (NCAA-D2) 95, Thiel 75
Robert Morris (NAIA-D1) 76, UW-Stout 50
W/L for D3 now within 2 games of NAIA D2
W L
NCAA-D1 0 11
NCAA-D2 4 17
NAIA-D1 2 14
NAIA-D2 31 33
NCCAA 16 5
USCAA 48 15
Other 21 5
In the Wendy's Classic this week in Rochester:
Brockport 79 - Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA D2) 68
St John Fisher 59 - Roberts Wesleyan 57
and one more game today
Roberts Wesleyan 72 - RIT 63
Score from Saturday 12/3:
Claremont 71 The Master's College (NAIA I) 65
OxyBob
Sorry guys... fell behind due to illness and work.. may catch up tonight or tomorrow night.... hopefan
Score from Monday 12/5:
Claremont 71, San Diego Christian (NAIA I) 69
OxyBob
update... my scores are up to date... just have to translate them to w-l and posts!!!!.... tonight!!!! hopefan
11/28
Cazenovia 95, SUNY-ESF (Other) 62
Hood 78, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 56
Maine Maritime 52, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 50
Penn State-Harrisburg 105, Penn State Schuylkill (USCAA) 78
Rust 97, Blue Mountain (NAIA-D1) 88
Whittier 115, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA) 83
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 70, Martin Luther 52
Lindenwood-Belleville (USCAA) 83, Principia 70
Columbia (NCAA-D1) 104, Swarthmore 42
11/29
Augustana 83, St. Ambrose (NAIA-D2) 75
Buffalo State 89, Houghton (NAIA-D2) 74
Colby 73, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 51
Morrisville State 91, SUNY Canton (USCAA) 83
Washington and Jefferson 66, Notre Dame (NCAA-D2) 65
Goucher 88, Maryland Bible (Other) 76
St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D1) 71, Adrian 65
Olivet Nazarene (NAIA-D1) 87, Carthage 85
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 82, Crown 47
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 72, Fontbonne 55
Portland (NCAA-D1) 76, Lewis and Clark 64
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 72, Minnesota-Morris 71
West Coast Baptist (NCCAA) 74, Occidental 70
Bethel (Tenn.) (NAIA-D1) 91, Rust 72
Clarion (NCAA-D2) 86, Susquehanna 44
Winona State (NCAA-D2) 82, UW-Stout 54
11/30
Averett 103, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 81
Brockport State 79, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 68
Cal Lutheran 71, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 62
Dubuque 77, Clarke (NAIA-D2) 74
Penn State-Abington 90, Penn State Delaware County (USCAA) 74
Western Michigan (NCAA-D1) 80, Hope 58
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 83, Martin Luther 67
Briar Cliff (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 69, Nebraska Wesleyan 62
Kutztown (NCAA-D2) 95, Penn State-Berks 66
12/1
Bard 87, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 57
Blackburn 80, Concordia St. Louis (Other) 71
Caltech 95, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA) 79
Concordia (Wis.) 103, Silver Lake (USCAA) 51
Pomona-Pitzer 93, American Sports (Other) 54
Presentation 88, Trinity Bible (NCCAA) 80
Redlands 84, Pacifica (Other) 70
UC Santa Cruz 92, Arizona Christian (NAIA-D2) 86
Grace Bible (NCCAA) 82, Maranatha Baptist 61
12/2
Alfred 80, SUNY Canton (USCAA) 72
Colby 81, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 76
La Verne 90, American Sports (Other) 73
Maranatha Baptist 93, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA) 73
St. John Fisher 59, Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 57
St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 97, Southern Vermont 88
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 63, Martin Luther 59
Crossroads (Other) 96, Bethany Lutheran 59
12/3
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 71, Master's (NAIA-D1) 65
La Verne 82, Arizona Christian (NAIA-D2) 68
Piedmont 102, Free Will Baptist (NCCAA) 66
Presentation 75, Nebraska Christian (Other) 40
RPI 107, St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 90
Vassar 79, Sarah Lawrence (Other) 13
Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 77, Nebraska Wesleyan 72
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 72, Rochester Tech 63
12/4
Colby 71, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 65
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 78, Culinary Institute (Other) 60
12/5
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 71, San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 69
Linfield 100, Multnomah (NCCAA) 86
Oberlin 74, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 50
Occidental 98, American Sports (Other) 70
Ind.-East (NAIA-D2) 79, DePauw 66
Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 73, Emory and Henry 68
Thru 12/5 D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 14
NCAA-D2 5 21
NAIA-D1 5 18
NAIA-D2 43 42
NCCAA 22 7
USCAA 58 17
Other 32 6
WE CAUGHT NAIA D2!!!!!!!!
Snappy comments:
What would happen if Blue Mountain played Green Mountain? Teal Mountain?
Can you get salads at the concession stand at Waldorf?
You would think that a school called "American Sports" would be the #1 team in the nation. You know, since we're the USA and #1 and all that. It's an outrage that a school called "American Sports" can't even beat a mid-level SCIAC team. Shouldn't they be "Laotian Sports" or
"Maltese Sports" until they get better?
Does every town in PA have a Penn State Branch Campus?
When W&J beat Notre Dame, did they put that on 48 point type on their main page and not reveal it was the D2 program in Ohio until the game story? PRESIDENTS BEAT NOTRE DAME!
Does the pep band at Crossroads only play Robert Johnson songs?
544 people saw Columbia beat Swarthmore. I can't believe there wasn't a show or a gallery opening or something else that was happening on November 28th for those 544 folks! (I kid...I kid...though I'd still try to make the curtain at The Book of Mormon...)
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:26:21 PM
Snappy comments:
What would happen if Blue Mountain played Green Mountain? Teal Mountain? +1!
Can you get salads at the concession stand at Waldorf? +1!
You would think that a school called "American Sports" would be the #1 team in the nation. You know, since we're the USA and #1 and all that. It's an outrage that a school called "American Sports" can't even beat a mid-level SCIAC team. Shouldn't they be "Laotian Sports" or
"Maltese Sports" until they get better?
Does every town in PA have a Penn State Branch Campus? +1!
When W&J beat Notre Dame, did they put that on 48 point type on their main page and not reveal it was the D2 program in Ohio until the game story? PRESIDENTS BEAT NOTRE DAME!
Does the pep band at Crossroads only play Robert Johnson songs? +3!
544 people saw Columbia beat Swarthmore. I can't believe there wasn't a show or a gallery opening or something else that was happening on November 28th for those 544 folks! (I kid...I kid...though I'd still try to make the curtain at The Book of Mormon...)
I am going to be applauding you for a week! :)
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:26:21 PM
Does every town in PA have a Penn State Branch Campus?
I went to the Eastern University opening tournament in which Penn State-Abington was featured. We were sitting in a gym in Pennsylvania with people who grew up and live in Pennsylvania and I could find no one able to even tell me where Abington is located within Pennsylvania.
Just north of Philly, near the intersection of Old York Rd. & Susquehanna.
12/6
Blackburn 70, Lindenwood-Belleville (USCAA) 68
Clarkson 71, St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 56
Colorado College 73, Johnson & Wales (Colo.) (NAIA-D2) 70
Greenville 95, St. Louis Christian (Other) 72
John Jay 84, Vaughn (Other) 37
King's 71, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 51
Sewanee 86, Johnson Bible (NCCAA) 42
Trine 68, Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 56
Whitman 98, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 40
Ferris state (NCAA-D2) 75, Alma 62
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 69, Fredonia State 35
Maine-Machias (USCAA) 63, Maine-Presque Isle 57
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 76, Mary Washington 74
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 82, Pacific 63
Jamestown (NAIA-D2) 86, Presentation 40
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 77, Principia 48
St. Martin's (NCAA-D2) 93, Willamette 83
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 77, Wisconsin Lutheran 71
12/7
Bates 74, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 65
Cal Lutheran 72, Pacifica (Other) 60
Eureka 78, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 73
La Verne 101, American Sports (Other) 67
Lewis and Clark 63, Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 50
Maryville (Tenn.) 81, Bryan (NAIA-D2) 68
Nebraska Wesleyan 56, Hastings (NAIA-D2) 53
Puget Sound 69, Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 59
University of Dallas 77, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 61
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 78, Minnesota-Morris 54
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 61, Nazareth 59
Montana State (NCAA-D1) 109, Willamette 64
D3 W/L thru 12/7
W L
NCAA-D1 0 16
NCAA-D2 5 23
NAIA-D1 5 19
NAIA-D2 51 47
NCCAA 24 7
USCAA 61 19
Other 37 6
one of the fans of this room asked for a review of the 5 wins over NCAA - D2 :
Edgewood NATHC 78 Lake Superior St. NCAA-D2 77
Hiram NCAC 84 Notre Dame NCAA-D2 73
North Carolina Wesleyan USAC 82 St. Andrews NCAA-D2 77
St. Thomas MIAC 94 Concordia-St. Paul NCAA-D2 88
Washington and Jefferson PrAC 66 Notre Dame NCAA-D2 65
Smed,
You gave me a whole weeks worth of laughs in 2 minutes. 8-) Plus K
Thanks, magicman!
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:26:21 PM
Snappy comments:
What would happen if Blue Mountain played Green Mountain? Teal Mountain?
Chuckle #1!
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:26:21 PMCan you get salads at the concession stand at Waldorf?
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They'd better be available if this guy is in the stands.
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:26:21 PMDoes every town in PA have a Penn State Branch Campus?
I love the fact that you capitalized "Branch Campus". I think that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania should open up yet another state school and just give it the generic name of PSU-Branch Campus.
Quote from: smedindy on December 07, 2011, 10:26:21 PMDoes the pep band at Crossroads only play Robert Johnson songs?
Chuckle #2!
(At North Park we play the Blues Brothers' version of "Sweet Home Chicago" after every NPU win, regardless of sport. I've now noticed that Concordia (IL), which is located in suburban River Forest, does the same thing. I feel like going up to one of the Concordia athletic department people and asking, "Why don't you play a song about River Forest when the Cougars win?"
Games of 12/8
Brooklyn 87, Vaughn (Other) 56
St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 76, Johnson State 67
Eastern Washington (NCAA-D1) 104, Linfield 54
Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 67, Maine-Presque Isle 52
Biola (NAIA-D1) 69, Pomona-Pitzer 65
Games of 12/9
Bridgewater (Va.) 79, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 70
Greenville 96, Logan Chiropractic (Other) 71
Hope 76, Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 60
Juniata 71, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 55
Minnesota-Morris 84, Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 51
Rowan 89, Penn State Delaware County (USCAA) 64
Widener 95, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 82
Bluefield (NAIA-D2) 92, Eastern Mennonite 61
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 93, Fontbonne 81
Corban (NAIA-D2) 67, George Fox 56
Southern (NCAA-D1) 66, MacMurray 57
D3 record thru 12/9
W L
NCAA-D1 0 18
NCAA-D2 5 23
NAIA-D1 5 21
NAIA-D2 53 49
NCCAA 24 7
USCAA 66 21
Other 39 6
Games of 12/10 tough day for D3 as we go 12-19
Birmingham-Southern 92, Point (NCCAA) 80
Buena Vista 82, Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 69
Calvin 83, Trinity Christian (NAIA-D2) 63
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 65, Point Loma Nazarene (NAIA-D1) 49
DeSales 73, Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 61
Eastern Mennonite 91, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 51
Fontbonne 100, Logan Chiropractic (Other) 99
Hope 101, Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA-D2) 67
New Jersey City 77, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 48
UC Santa Cruz 83, Menlo (NAIA-D2) 73
Western New England 68, Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 60
Willamette 64, Northwest Chrst. (NAIA-D2) 63
High Point (NCAA-D1) 89, Averett 53
Bluefield (NAIA-D2) 103, Bridgewater (Va.) 65
Sioux Falls (NCAA-D2) 77, Crown 33
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 83, George Fox 68
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 79, Greenville 74
Hiwassee (USCAA) 89, Huntingdon 85
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 79, Linfield 60
Tulane (NCAA-D1) 89, MacMurray 59
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 80, Maine-Presque Isle 58
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 79, Massachusetts College 73
Campbell (NCAA-D1) 103, Methodist 55
Dordt (NAIA-D2) 72, Nebraska Wesleyan 48
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 79, Olivet 78
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 48, Pacific Lutheran 46
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 92, Piedmont 75
Harris-Stowe (NAIA-D1) 61, Principia 51
Indiana Southeast (NAIA-D2) 81, Spalding 70
Malone (NCAA-D2) 84, Waynesburg 60
Montana Tech (NAIA-D1) 83, Whitworth 73
D3 record
W L
NCAA-D1 0 21
NCAA-D2 5 25
NAIA-D1 6 24
NAIA-D2 58 56
NCCAA 25 8
USCAA 70 24
Other 40 6
QuoteBirmingham-Southern 92, Point (NCCAA) 80
Point, coached by James Kilpatrick will face Counter-Point next, helmed by Shana Alexander.
/showing my age
I actually thought 'Point' was a D3hoops misprint until I looked it up and found that Point is the newly renamed Atlanta Christian University....
Quote from: smedindy on December 11, 2011, 11:57:20 AM
QuoteBirmingham-Southern 92, Point (NCCAA) 80
Point, coached by James Kilpatrick will face Counter-Point next, helmed by Shana Alexander.
/showing my age
"Jane, you ignorant slut...."
sorry
Quote from: smedindy on December 11, 2011, 11:57:20 AM
Point, coached by James Kilpatrick will face Counter-Point next, helmed by Shana Alexander.
/showing my age
Most readers may be too young for the old 60 Minutes segment, but nobody is ever too old for Airplane! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw)
Great run by Claremont-Mudd-Scripps over the last week, going 3-0 vs NAIA-D1 schools all from the GSAC (The Masters, San Diego Christian, and Point Loma)
Do The Masters wear green uniforms with some sort of insignia patch? And do their announcers speak in earnest whispers and have correspondents cover the various places on the court? "Let's move to Verne Lundquist on the home free throw line." "Johnson with a free throw, to go up one...and it's.....GOOD! It's IN the hole!"
outstanding smed.....
Can throw a couple more USCAA ones at you guys
Virginia University Lynchburg
Cooper Union
I enjoy perusing to see how the USCAA teams fare with D3 (yeah normally not well, but worth some looking) and saw those listed as others.
If you need a list of the USCAA members - message me and I can provide a list of schools.
Rochester (Mich) is a dual member -- first year NAIA and charter USCAA member.
Quote from: nnasid on December 12, 2011, 04:38:12 PM
Can throw a couple more USCAA ones at you guys
Virginia University Lynchburg
Cooper Union
I enjoy perusing to see how the USCAA teams fare with D3 (yeah normally not well, but worth some looking) and saw those listed as others.
If you need a list of the USCAA members - message me and I can provide a list of schools.
thanks nnasid... I've changed Cooper Union and VU Lynchburg to USCAA and new W/L will reflect that
games of 12/11, 12/12
George Fox 79, Portland Bible (NCCAA) 71
Elon (NCAA-D1) 109, Lynchburg 67
Lehigh (NCAA-D1) 95, Arcadia 55
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 78, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 50
D3 record vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 24
NCAA-D2 5 25
NAIA-D1 6 24
NAIA-D2 58 56
NCCAA 26 8
USCAA 71 25
Other 39 5
For anyone following the nearly even matchup of D3 with NAIA D2, there are approximately 50 scheduled games remaining between the 2, with a handful of others to be played in Holiday tourneys.... one disadvantage for D3 is that D3 Nebraska Wesleyan will be playing a full conference schedule amongst those games.. tough league, Nebraska Wesleyan will be an underdog im many of those games....
Tough that Nebraska Wesleyan plays as the only non-scholarship team in a scholarship league. Anyone know why they continually choose to be the only D3 around?
Slaps... I'm not certain, but likely it's the geography, and perhaps a bit of loyalty to their conference and rivalries... the Sliac wouldn't be practical, probably some long trips too with the Iowa and Minnesota conferences, or the MWC....Perhaps Sager or one of the other 'vets' can chime in...
I've seen Nebraska Wesleyan play in St Louis, and it's a team anyone would want in their conference... solid kids, good basketball, active coaches, and a fan base of 30 or 40 that came all the way down to St Louis....
They are truly an island. I thought there was some rumblings about a few others in that league jumping to D-3 but I've heard nothing else.
I know I've heard that those schools don't think they can compete for student-athletes without offering scholarships.
But IMHO, in the words of Col. Potter
HORSEHOCKEY!
If your product is good enough, you don't need the athletics scholarships at that level.
/RIP, Harry Morgan
Quote from: smedindy on December 12, 2011, 03:33:31 PM
Do The Masters wear green uniforms with some sort of insignia patch? And do their announcers speak in earnest whispers and have correspondents cover the various places on the court? "Let's move to Verne Lundquist on the home free throw line." "Johnson with a free throw, to go up one...and it's.....GOOD! It's IN the hole!"
Well then, are the places beyond the 3-point arc considered "the first cut"?
;)
Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM
Tough that Nebraska Wesleyan plays as the only non-scholarship team in a scholarship league. Anyone know why they continually choose to be the only D3 around?
Probably a part of it is tradition. NebWes has been a D3 school since the advent of the division back in the mid-Seventies, and it was highly successful in men's basketball as an independent for many years, first under Jerry Schmutte and then under his acolyte, Todd Raridon, who is now the head coach at North Central (IL). The Prairie Wolves (who were then called the Plainsmen) went to the D3 Final Four in '85, '86, '88, and '97.
I think that the other part of it is probably a recruiting cachet thing. Deserved or not, NCAA D3 schools have a better academic reputation than NAIA schools, probably because: a) some of the most esteemed institutions of higher learning in the U.S. are D3 schools, which is something that the NAIA can't claim; and b) the no-scholarships rule connotes an ethos of purity and integrity for D3 that the NAIA just doesn't have, even though the fine print concerning financial aid frequently wipes out the differences between schools from the two divisions.
(Actually, if you really want to get the reasons directly from the horse's mouth, ask CCIW Chat regular AndOne. He's an NWU alumnus and a former Plainsman basketball player. He may have access to reasons that are more specific than the ones I offer here.)
The success of the school's teams over the years indicates that the lack of scholarships need not be an impediment for NebWes. Last year NWU finished second in the all-sports standings of the twelve-school Great Plains Athletic Conference. (http://www.gpacsports.com/f/All-Time_Champions_2010-11.php) NWU has won the all-sports title of the GPAC five times in the last eleven years, and it's never finished lower than fourth.
NebWes is a dual member of D3 and the NAIA. Every autumn I wonder if this'll be the year that NWU knuckles under and joins its Great Plains Athletic Conference peers by declaring for the NAIA tourney rather than the D3 tourney, but it never happens.
Games of 12/13
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 78, Cornell 68
UT-Chattanooga (NCAA-D1) 98, Spalding 48
W L
NCAA-D1 0 25
NCAA-D2 5 25
NAIA-D1 6 24
NAIA-D2 58 57
NCCAA 26 8
USCAA 71 25
Other 39 5
Games of 12/14
Eureka 96, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 90
Averett (80) Virginia-Lynchburg, USCAA 67
West Georgia (NCAA-D2) 91, Berry 55
Rice (NCAA-D1) 109, Louisiana College 51
Ohio University (NCAA-D1) 88, Marietta 54
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 62, St. Mary's (Minn.) 58
UC Riverside (NCAA-D1) 91, UC Santa Cruz 60
Win-loss
W L
NCAA-D1 0 28
NCAA-D2 5 26
NAIA-D1 6 24
NAIA-D2 58 58
NCCAA 26 8
USCAA 73 25
Other 39 5
I see we have entered the "D-1 beatdown of D-3 teams" portion of our schedule. Wow, from really good D-3 teams (Marietta) to mediocre-at-best (Spalding, who got nothing and liked it) it just wasn't a good day to be a D-3 against a D-1.
Quote from: smedindy on December 15, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
I see we have entered the "D-1 beatdown of D-3 teams" portion of our schedule. Wow, from really good D-3 teams (Marietta) to mediocre-at-best (Spalding, who got nothing and liked it) it just wasn't a good day to be a D-3 against a D-1.
Yes.. our performance vs D1 is not impressive.... we are losing those 28 games by an average of 38 points per game
only 2 losses by single digits
UC Santa Cruz 78, UC Davis 84
MacMurray 57, Southern 66
obviously numerous BAD losses...... the worst:
Lyndon St 37, Yale 101.... 64 point loss
Wentworth currently playing D1 Texas-Pan American. The Leopards hung with the Broncs for half of the first period only down 17-16 with 10:11 left. But the Broncs ended the half on an 11-2 run to go up 40-24 at the break . The Broncs now lead 53-30 with 15:26 to play.
Oswego State plays the Broncs on January 3rd. I think, as Knightslappy, (I believe) said earlier, that the Lakers may make a game of it against the Texas Boys.
Wentworth falls to Texas-Pan American 65-48. We go to 0-29.
Quote from: nnasid on December 12, 2011, 04:39:58 PM
Rochester (Mich) is a dual member -- first year NAIA and charter USCAA member.
Rochester is in the middle of an absolutely brutal stretch of games for any small college team.
Tennessee-Martin(D1), Eastern Michigan(D1), Huntington(NAIA II), Grand Valley State(D2), Oakland(D1) so far, all on the road, all losses. They play at Austin Peay(D1) on Saturday.
http://www.rochestercollegewarriors.com/schedule/0/1.php
Quote from: magicman on December 15, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
Wentworth currently playing D1 Texas-Pan American. The Leopards hung with the Broncs for half of the first period only down 17-16 with 10:11 left. But the Broncs ended the half on an 11-2 run to go up 40-24 at the break . The Broncs now lead 53-30 with 15:26 to play.
Oswego State plays the Broncs on January 3rd. I think, as Knightslappy, (I believe) said earlier, that the Lakers may make a game of it against the Texas Boys.
I don't know if I mentioned this before... but Nick Bennett (UWSP '05) is an assistant at UTPA. I saw them play Northwestern earlier this season. They play really good defense but don't have a whole lot of offense.
Quote from: magicman on December 15, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
Wentworth falls to Texas-Pan American 65-48. We go to 0-29.
This is a pretty amazing score. Wentworth has not been playing great ball this year at all - and with the current set up, they have to hit threes to even be close. Does UTPA play any other d3s? This could be a victory for us given the right matchup.
I think someone mentioned they play Oswego State. Now that's a roadie!
Games of 12/15
Pacific 63, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 61
Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 64, Rutgers-Camden 62
Texas Pan American (NCAA-D1) 65, Wentworth 48
William and Mary (NCAA-D1) 70, Wesley 47
Ohio University Eastern (Other) 57, Franciscan (Ohio) 52
games of 12/16
Pomona-Pitzer 110, American Sports (Other) 54
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 83, Kalamazoo 74
Great Falls (NAIA-D1) 86, Lewis and Clark 73
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 86, Lynchburg 61
Eastern Washington (NCAA-D1) 83, Pacific Lutheran 72
Games of 12/17
Alma 103, Indiana-Northwest (NAIA-D2) 95
Averett 81, Montreat (NAIA-D2) 65
Carthage 79, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 76
Greensboro 111, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 71
Kalamazoo 84, Judson (NAIA-D2) 83
Lakeland 87, Silver Lake (USCAA) 59
Nebraska Wesleyan 69, Mount Marty (NAIA-D2) 43
Puget Sound 79, New Hope Christian (NCCAA) 57
Grand View (NAIA-D2) 74, Simpson 73
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 80, Johnson and Wales 75
Cal State Fullerton (NCAA-D1) 86, La Verne 44
Lewis-Clark State (NAIA-D1) 73, Lewis and Clark 58
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 76, Linfield 48
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 84, Loras 62
St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D1) 78, Rockford 75
Standings thru 12/17
W L
NCAA-D1 0 33
NCAA-D2 5 26
NAIA-D1 6 27
NAIA-D2 64 62
NCCAA 27 8
USCAA 77 27
Other 40 6
D3 vs non conference D3
1 NWC 13 3 0.813
2 WIAC 39 10 0.796
3 NESCAC 63 20 0.759
4 LEC 43 14 0.754
5 Newmac 50 18 0.735
6 UAA 51 21 0.708
7 ODAC 37 16 0.698
8 ASC 13 6 0.684
9 MACC 31 17 0.646
10 NJAC 43 28 0.606
11 NCAC 29 21 0.580
12 MWC 19 14 0.575757576
13 CAC 23 17 0.575
14 IIAC 25 19 0.568
15 PrAC 26 20 0.565
16 MIAA 22 17 0.564
17 CCIW 36 28 0.563
18 LL 29 24 0.547
19 E8 35 30 0.538
20 CSAC 20 18 0.526
21 Landmark 31 28 0.525
22 OAC 21 20 0.512
23 SUNYAC 25 24 0.510
24 HCAC 26 25 0.510
25 MIAC 22 22 0.500
26 Mascac 29 32 0.475
27 CC 18 20 0.474
28 CUNY 31 37 0.456
29 SCAC 29 35 0.453
30 MACF 21 26 0.447
31 SCIAC 13 17 0.433
32 Sky 22 29 0.431
33 Independent 28 38 0.424
34 USAC 20 29 0.408
35 CCC 15 30 0.333
36 NECC 18 38 0.321
37 NATCH 17 37 0.315
38 GNAC 18 43 0.295
39 GSAC 10 26 0.278
40 AMCC 11 30 0.268
41 SLIAC 10 30 0.250
42 UMAC 10 39 0.204
43 NAC 5 33 0.132
44 NEAC 8 56 0.125
Keene state (LEC) is playing Nova Southeastern out of NCAA division 2 this afternoon at 3:00 PM. I'll have updates of the game over on the LEC board.
You know if Ashford ever played Simpson (which really they could being from Iowa and all), I wonder how many song puns I could work into a recap...
Quote from: smedindy on December 16, 2011, 09:26:36 AM
I think someone mentioned they play Oswego State. Now that's a roadie!
That someone was me and the game between Oswego and Texas-Pan American is on January 3rd. Hope the Lakers come to play and don't get caught up with enjoying the warm weather. It gets pretty nasty in Oswego, with the wind and snow whipping in off Lake Ontario this time of year. I remember one year back in the 60's when I visited Oswego in January. Blizzard conditions with 50+ mph winds. Had a borrowed Cadillac Coupe de Ville. Parked the car in front of their dorms, opened the door and the wind just about tore it off it's hinges. Sprung the hell out of it and had to pay a small fortune to get it fixed before returning it to the owner. Ah, the good old days. :)
The Lakers may be our best chance to steal one from the DI boys. The Texas team isn't any bigger than the Lakers so hopefully Oswego bigs, 6'7" D3 All American Chad Burridge and teammate 6'6" Hayden Ward can match up with TPA bigs. The Broncos start 3 guards that go 6'3", 6'3", and 6'1". Their starting bigs are 6'7" and 6'5". They do have a 6'9" bench player who played 11 minutes against Wentwoth and scored 6 pts with 4 boards. They are a guard oriented team with only 2 players averaging double figures, (14.8 12.6) both guards. Oswego bigs average 20.0 (Burridge) and 15.6 (Hayden) I think the Lakers will at the very least keep this one competitive.
Why is Texas-Pan American playing a sampler platter of D-III teams this year? Are they trying to trick their fans into thinking these are D-I teams they are playing?
QuoteYou know if Ashford ever played Simpson (which really they could being from Iowa and all), I wonder how many song puns I could work into a recap...
I don't know but that match up would be solid. Solid as a rock.
Quote from: Just Bill on December 19, 2011, 03:51:46 PM
Why is Texas-Pan American playing a sampler platter of D-III teams this year? Are they trying to trick their fans into thinking these are D-I teams they are playing?
UTPA has always been an 'island' - unwanted by conferences because of past reputation and distance and they really can't get people to play there. They're now in the "Great West" - the island of misfit D-1 toys.
Quote from: gordonmann on December 19, 2011, 04:00:31 PM
QuoteYou know if Ashford ever played Simpson (which really they could being from Iowa and all), I wonder how many song puns I could work into a recap...
I don't know but that match up would be solid. Solid as a rock.
Golf clap, sir, golf clap...
QuoteThey're now in the "Great West" - the island of misfit D-1 toys.
A squirt gun that shoots jelly would make a fine mascot.
Keene state falls to Nova Southeastern 86-67.
LEC goes to 43-15 against non conference opponents (according to the stats posted by Hopefan), but their 74.1% winning percentage is still good enough for 4th.
I think that's D3 vs. D3, so this loss wouldn't affect that percentage.
Games of 12/18
Montclair State 79, Vaughn (Other) 40
St. Vincent (74) Penn St.-Fayette, USCAA 55
West Georgia (NCAA-D2) 61, Methodist 59
W L
NCAA-D1 0 33
NCAA-D2 5 27
NAIA-D1 6 27
NAIA-D2 64 62
NCCAA 27 8
USCAA 78 27
Other 41 6
Smed... correct on your helpful response to 7express thanks
DI Northern Iowa buries Loras 84-48 on Monday night.
Quote from: smedindy on December 19, 2011, 04:16:23 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 19, 2011, 04:00:31 PM
QuoteYou know if Ashford ever played Simpson (which really they could being from Iowa and all), I wonder how many song puns I could work into a recap...
I don't know but that match up would be solid. Solid as a rock.
Golf clap, sir, golf clap...
Hey smedindy, did you know Ashford and Simpson have a DIII connection?
I believe the oldest of their two daughters, Nicole (daddy Nickolas, imagine that?) graduated from Wesleyan University (CT), in the mid-'90's. I have a niece who attended Wesleysan at the same time.
I...I did not know that....
Games of 12/19
East Texas Baptist 112, Crowley's Ridge (NCCAA) 67
Pacific 81, New Hope Christian (NCCAA) 71
UW-Oshkosh 75, Ashford (NAIA-D2) 64
Taylor (NAIA-D2) 71, Bridgewater (Va.) 50
Concordia (California) (NAIA-D1) 94, Concordia (Ill.) 72
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 80, Dubuque 71
Texas Permian Basin (NCAA-D2) 66, Sul Ross State 41
Southeastern (NAIA-D2) 95, Lawrence 65
Northern Iowa (NCAA-D1) 84, Loras 48
St. Martin's (NCAA-D2) 69, Pacific Lutheran 52
Games of 12/20
Midland (NAIA-D2) 61, Nebraska Wesleyan 38
Taylor (NAIA-D2) 70, Nichols 53
Alcorn (NCAA-D1) 84, Rust 53
Games of 12/21
Averett 101, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 79
prior score not reported
Merchant Marine 63 Vaughn (other) 38
D3 record through 12/21 and we're in trouble vs NAIA D2
W L
NCAA-D1 0 35
NCAA-D2 5 30
NAIA-D1 6 28
NAIA-D2 64 68
NCCAA 29 8
USCAA 79 27
Other 42 6
game of Dec 22
Adrian 76, Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 62
D3 record through 12/22 one for the good guys vs NAIA D2
W L
NCAA-D1 0 35
NCAA-D2 5 30
NAIA-D1 6 28
NAIA-D2 65 68
NCCAA 29 8
USCAA 79 27
Other 42 6
game of Dec 27
Western
Illinois (NCAA-D1) 73, Eureka 52
D3 record through 12/27
W L
NCAA-D1 0 36
NCAA-D2 5 30
NAIA-D1 6 28
NAIA-D2 65 68
NCCAA 29 8
USCAA 79 27
Other 42 6
games of Dec 28
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 83, Linfield 78 (OT)
Thomas More 78, UC Clermont (USCAA) 70
D3 record through 12/28 tough one in our battle vs NAIA D2
W L
NCAA-D1 0 36
NCAA-D2 5 30
NAIA-D1 6 28
NAIA-D2 65 69
NCCAA 29 8
USCAA 80 27
Other 42 6
We get one back
Hope 70, Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 66
Games of 12/29
Albright 84, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 61
Bluffton 94, OSU Lima (Other) 54
Ohio Northern 73, UC Clermont (USCAA) 63
Staten Island 104, Vaughn (Other) 51
UW-Eau Claire 81, Judson (NAIA-D2) 64
Whittier 124, American Sports (Other) 47
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 72, Bridgewater State 53
Northern Michigan (NCAA-D2) 88, Finlandia 64
Vanguard (NAIA-D1) 76, Gordon 67
Belhaven (NAIA-D1) 84, Rust 54
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 68, Olivet 62
New Hope Christian (NCCAA) 66, Pacific 38
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 86, Texas Lutheran 82
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 69, UC Santa Cruz 61
Games of 12/30
Bethany 84, Vaughn (Other) 38
Coe 80, Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 69
Hope 70, Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 66
Marietta 95, Grace Bible (NCCAA) 79
McMurry 85, Northern New Mexico (USCAA) 82
Medgar Evers 93, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 54
Muskingum 94, Ohio State Lima (Other) 66
Rockford 70, Culver-Stockton (NAIA-D1) 52
UC Santa Cruz 87, American Sports (Other) 54
Whittier 81, Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 75
Wittenberg 70, Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 50
Judson (NAIA-D2) 72, Bethany Lutheran 68
Ind.-East (NAIA-D2) 76, Dubuque 74
Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 82, Gordon 61
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 85, Mary Washington 75
Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 53, Millikin 42
Belhaven (NAIA-D1) 76, Mississippi College 57
Cal State Bakersfield (NCAA-D1) 75, Pomona-Pitzer 41
San Diego State (NCAA-D1) 94, Redlands 43
Stephen F. Austin (NCAA-D1) 93, Texas-Tyler 36
games of 12/31
Emory and Henry 70, Maryland Bible (Other) 58
Lewis and Clark 84, Lewis-Clark State (NAIA-D1) 80
Rust 75, West Alabama (NCAA-D2) 74
Sioux Falls (NCAA-D2) 71, UW-River Falls 68
D3 record thru games of 1/1/12 Note Rust gets a win vs NCAA D2 W Alabama
W L
NCAA-D1 0 39
NCAA-D2 6 33
NAIA-D1 8 32
NAIA-D2 70 76
NCCAA 30 9
USCAA 86 28
Other 49 6
Only 36 games left vs NAIA-D2.... and we're down 6 games... need to go 21-15.... need great efforts by Nebraska Wesleyan, Chapman, and UC-Santa Cruz who play well over half of those games..... it doesn't look good.....
and as a bonus records vs non conference D3
WIAC 53 16 0.768
LEC 48 17 0.738
NESCAC 72 28 0.720
UAA 59 23 0.720
Newmac 54 23 0.701
ASC 20 9 0.690
ODAC 50 23 0.685
MACC 40 19 0.678
NWC 22 11 0.667
NCAC 46 27 0.630
NJAC 54 34 0.614
IIAC 36 23 0.610
CCIW 48 35 0.578
LL 32 24 0.571
HCAC 38 31 0.551
E8 39 33 0.542
CAC 31 27 0.534
MWC 24 21 0.533
Landmark 36 34 0.514
CSAC 24 23 0.511
MIAA 28 28 0.500
SUNYAC 27 27 0.500
MIAC 26 26 0.500
OAC 27 28 0.491
MACF 28 31 0.475
Mascac 34 38 0.472222222
CC 25 28 0.472
PrAC 30 35 0.462
SCAC 39 47 0.453
CUNY 37 45 0.451
USAC 28 36 0.438
Independent 33 47 0.413
SCIAC 18 26 0.409
Sky 23 35 0.397
NATCH 23 47 0.329
CCC 17 35 0.327
NECC 19 40 0.322
GNAC 19 45 0.297
SLIAC 13 35 0.271
AMCC 14 39 0.264
GSAC 12 34 0.261
UMAC 11 44 0.200
NEAC 11 61 0.153
NAC 5 35 0.125
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Only 36 games left vs NAIA-D2.... and we're down 6 games... need to go 21-15.... need great efforts by Nebraska Wesleyan, Chapman, and UC-Santa Cruz who play well over half of those games..... it doesn't look good.....
You may need to back out Neb Wesleyan from those games. It is not fair to D-3 to have that single school, which has only played 5 D-III schools (going 4-1 in the process). They are 2-5 against non-D3 foes. There are half of the losses in the negative margin, right there.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Only 36 games left vs NAIA-D2.... and we're down 6 games... need to go 21-15.... need great efforts by Nebraska Wesleyan, Chapman, and UC-Santa Cruz who play well over half of those games..... it doesn't look good.....
You may need to back out Neb Wesleyan from those games. It is not fair to D-3 to have that single school, which has only played 5 D-III schools (going 4-1 in the process). They are 2-5 against non-D3 foes. There are half of the losses in the negative margin, right there.
I totally agree. (If this were 1997 Neb Wes, I might beg to differ! ;D)
A school playing vastly more NAIA opponents than d3 opponents is not a viable rep for d3.
May I suggest that d3 teams to be counted in this compilation must play 50+% of their games against d3 opponents?
Mass-Dartmouth plays 2 NAIA schools this week: Northwood Tuesday and Warner Wednesday. Hopefully they can improve that record by 2.
Sorry guys, if they're D3 on this site, they're D3 in my numbers....
Goodness, next thing you know, you'll be demanding UMPI be removed too!!!!! :o :o :o
Let's not be pundits and cherry-pick our stats to make us look good. They are what they are.
Oswego State with a valiant effort almost pulls off the upset of D-I Texas-Pan American. as they lose 59-54. Key moment was a charging foul called on Laker's Chris Gilkes on a made basket that was waved off with 3:44 to go. Lakers were down 2 at the time 55-53 and his bucket would have tied the game and a free throw would have given the Lakers the lead. It was a very questionable call to say the least. Changed the complexion of the game for sure. Laker's Haydan Ward led all scorers with 18 points, 16 of them coming in the 2nd half. Oswego was down by 10 at the break 33-23 but opened the 2nd period with a 10-2 run to get back into the game. Nearly the entire 2nd half was a 1 or 2 possession game. At the 10:00 minute mark the Broncos opened up the largest lead of the 2nd half at 47-40 but the Lakers didn't fold and came right back to tie it up at 51 with 5 minutes to play. Twice in the final 1:46 Oswego had a chance to take the lead as they were down 55-54. The last time came with 41 seconds to play as they missed a three point attempt. Lakers fouled and after the Broncos hit both free throws to make it a 3 point game Oswego came down with a chance to tie and 38 seconds on the clock. Laker guard was called for a traveling violation and that led to another foul and the final points of the game. The boys from Oswego didn't win but they hung with the Broncos the whole game. This Bronco team, by the way, nearly upset St. John's two weeks ago in NYC. They gave the Big East team all it could handle losing in the final seconds 66-61. The game was 62-61 with 36 seconds to go. So yeah they aren't a great D-1 team but they could probably do alright against a number of mid-majors.
Games of Jan 2
Albright 80, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 69
William Jessup (NAIA-D2) 54, UC Santa Cruz 47
Games of Jan 3
Occidental 84, Pacifica (Other) 65
SUNY-Old Westbury 94, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 72
Susquehanna 91, Thaddeus Stevens (Other) 57
Texas Pan American (NCAA-D1) 59, Oswego State 54
Cal St. San Marcos (NAIA-D1) 51, Pomona-Pitzer 46
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 83, DeSales 77
Northwood (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 96, Mass-Dartmouth 72
Games of Jan 4
Alvernia 68, Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 64
Centre 91, Berea (NAIA-D2) 64
Lake Forest 76, St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D1) 51
Massachusetts College 67, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 55
Redlands 97, American Sports (Other) 69
Whittier 113, Pacifica (Other) 97
Buffalo (NCAA-D1) 111, Buffalo State 59
Warner (NAIA-D2) 79, Mass-Dartmouth 62
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 87, Minnesota-Morris 53
Morningside (NAIA-D2) 78, Nebraska Wesleyan 70
Games of Jan 5
Wilkes 100, Penn College (USCAA) 61
Greenville 117, Concordia St. Louis (Other) 71
Houghton (NAIA-D2) 73, Maine-Presque Isle 49
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 66, Baptist Bible 43
Sioux Falls (NCAA-D2) 101, Minnesota-Morris 57
Penn State Delaware County (USCAA) 68, Philadelphia Bible 59
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 84, Piedmont 83
Games of Jan 6
Oberlin 78, Ohio University-Zanesville (Other) 30
Kuyper (NCCAA) 68, Maranatha Baptist 65
D3 Record thru Jan 6 pretty much dead ducks in the race vs NAIA D2
W L
NCAA-D1 0 41
NCAA-D2 6 34
NAIA-D1 9 33
NAIA-D2 72 82
NCCAA 32 12
USCAA 88 30
Other 55 6
Is this the first year DIII has had a losing record against NAIA DII?
Quote from: Ethelred the Unready on January 08, 2012, 12:03:40 PM
Is this the first year DIII has had a losing record against NAIA DII?
I went back as far as our current pages track.... most per HOF'r Rhodes Scholar, some help from yours truly
D3 record vs NAIA D2
2011 was not tracked
138 114 2010
130 97 2009
121 98 2008
90 101 2007
119 118 2006
67 70 2005
Games of Jan 7, Jan 8
Arcadia 74, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 66
LaGrange 73, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 62
UC Santa Cruz 86, Simpson (Cal.) (NAIA-D2) 77
Wilkes 74, Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 46
Yale (NCAA-D1) 101, St. Joseph's (L.I.) 86
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 79, New Jersey 68
Cornell (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 78, Albright 60
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 64, Grove City 62
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 65, Nebraska Wesleyan 53
D3 Record thru Jan 8
W L
NCAA-D1 0 44
NCAA-D2 6 34
NAIA-D1 9 33
NAIA-D2 73 83
NCCAA 33 12
USCAA 90 31
Other 55 6
Games of January 9
West Coast Baptist (NCCAA) 66, Chapman 64
Florida Christian (NCCAA) 81, Covenant 75
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 68, Maine-Presque Isle 45
Games of January 10
Penn State-Harrisburg 93, Penn College (USCAA) 49
Free Will Baptist (NCCAA) 56, Sewanee 54
Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 61, Westminster (Pa.) 56
Games of January 11
Nebraska Wesleyan 76, Doane (NAIA-D2) 60
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 83, Fitchburg State 81
Games of January 12
North Central (Minn.) 101, Trinity Bible (NCCAA) 73
Rowan 74, Vaughn (Other) 58
UC Santa Cruz 86, Simpson (Cal.) (NAIA-D2) 77
Game of January 13
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 78, North Central (Minn.) 61
Games of January 14
Finlandia 113, Silver Lake (USCAA) 82
Greenville 81, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 78
Lakeland 97, Northland International (NCCAA) 67
North Central (Minn.) 71, Central Bible (NCCAA) 67
Randolph 89, Johnson and Wales (NC) (USCAA) 59
Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 69, Nebraska Wesleyan 61
Toccoa Falls (NCCAA) 73, Piedmont 70
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 95, SUNY-Cobleskill 57
D3 record vs non D3:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 34
NAIA-D1 9 33
NAIA-D2 75 85
NCCAA 37 17
USCAA 93 33
Other 56 6
Which category will the January 23rd Webster vs Lindenwood game fall into?
More importantly, does Free Will Baptist use the Rush song "Free Will" as its school song. And if so, can anyone hit the high notes?
Quote from: smedindy on January 15, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
More importantly, does Free Will Baptist use the Rush song "Free Will" as its school song. And if so, can anyone hit the high notes?
This might just be the most conflicting thing in Neal Pearts life.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2012, 12:34:31 PM
Which category will the January 23rd Webster vs Lindenwood game fall into?
Well, they are not playing their NAIA conference schedule anymore, so I'll include them as NCAA D2
oops, I thought they were playing main Campus.. no it's Belleville.... They are USCAA
Games of January 15
Maine-Presque Isle 76, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 44
St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 91, Vassar 83
D3 W L record
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 34
NAIA-D1 9 33
NAIA-D2 75 85
NCCAA 37 17
USCAA 94 34
Other 56 6
Activity Jan 16 - 21
Nebraska Wesleyan 95, Dordt (NAIA-D2) 84
Arcadia 84, Penn College (USCAA) 41
Greensboro 82, Allen (NAIA-D1) 45
Huntingdon 79, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) 77
Presentation 71, Trinity Bible (NCCAA) 62
New England College 81, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 63
Briar Cliff (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 67, Nebraska Wesleyan 61
Albany Pharmacy (Other) 73, New England College 63
Holy Names (NAIA-D2) 75, UC Santa Cruz 73
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 91, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 82
D3 record thru Jan 21
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 34
NAIA-D1 10 33
NAIA-D2 76 87
NCCAA 39 17
USCAA 96 35
Other 57 7
ATTENTION
MISSING Score Rust vs Fisk Jan 18 Can Anyone Help? And if so, where did you find it?
hopefan,
Here's your missing score from the Rust-Fisk game: Fisk 104 Rust 98. I first went to the Fisk website but they don't give you very much info there. (Only the roster of the Men's team but no schedule or stats.) I was going to email the Fisk SID but thought a phone call might be quicker. Good thing I did because the SID that's listed for Fisk is no longer there, so my email would have gone unanswered. I got some young fellow in the sports information department and he was kind enough to give me the score. He also gave me a link to their sports pages which shows their roster, and schedule (they have no stats link) but like Rust no one has bothered to post any results since Dec. 10th 2011. They've played 8 games since then with no results posted. I guess some schools just don't care. ???
PS: You're welcome. Don't I always come through for you? That's why I'm the magicman.
I don't care what they say up in the Northlands, you're ok in my book Magic!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Fisk's results are posted through their naia stats page. Unfortunately it did not contain the Rust score either.
http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&conference=NAIMBB1_GCAC&team=14966
activity Jan 22 - Jan 30
UC Santa Cruz 76, UC-Merced (NAIA-D2) 71
Delaware Valley 96, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 80
Minnesota-Morris 74, Trinity Bible (NCCAA) 62
Nebraska Wesleyan 72, Midland (NAIA-D2) 69
Chapman 89, Arizona Christian (NAIA-D2) 56
UC Santa Cruz 77, Pacifica (Other) 49
UC Santa Cruz 74, UC-Merced (NAIA-D2) 52
Dubuque 77, Silver Lake (USCAA) 52
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 66, Maine-Presque Isle 49
Shorter (NAIA-D1) 88, Berry 44
Lindenwood (Mo) (NCAA-D2) 78, Webster 57
Moody Bible (Other) 52, Maranatha Baptist 50
Maine-Machias (USCAA) 77, Maine-Presque Isle 63
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 86, Penn State-Harrisburg 84
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 73, Daniel Webster 69
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 58, Maine-Presque Isle 57
Vaughn (Other) 67, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 64
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 80, Concordia (Ill.) 74
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 69, Concordia (Wis.) 67
Mount Marty (NAIA-D2) 63, Nebraska Wesleyan 56
D3 Record :
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 35
NAIA-D1 10 35
NAIA-D2 81 92
NCCAA 40 18
USCAA 98 39
Other 58 9
Scores Jan 31 - Feb 15 :
Alfred 80, Houghton (NAIA-D2) 61
Central 95, Faith Bapt. Bible (NCCAA) 49
Chapman 77, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA) 57
Gallaudet 83, Christendom (USCAA) 58
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 101, Sarah Lawrence (Other) 34
Keene State 84, St. Joseph's (VT) (USCAA) 83
Maranatha Baptist 78, Faith Bapt. Bible (NCCAA) 63
Finlandia 109, Silver Lake (USCAA) 105
Nebraska Wesleyan 66, Morningside (NAIA-D2) 63
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 62, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 43
Brooklyn 83, Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 78
Hampden-Sydney 140, Patrick Henry (Other) 40
Maranatha Baptist 70, Northland International (NCCAA) 57
Rowan 86, Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 82
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 85, Pratt (Other) 54
Chapman 80, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 67
Eureka 99, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 70
Nebraska Wesleyan 86, Hastings (NAIA-D2) 78
Rust 85, Fisk (NAIA-D1) 80
Polytechnic 72, Pratt (Other) 33
Sage 67, SUNY Canton (USCAA) 63
Covenant 64, Tennessee Temple (NCCAA) 63
Penn State-Berks 71, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 54
Westminster (Pa.) 78, Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 59
Finlandia 101, Northland International (NCCAA) 99
Lehman 86, Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 84
Chapman 102, Pacifica (Other) 70
Nebraska Wesleyan 67, Doane (NAIA-D2) 61
Colorado College 84, Johnson & Wales (Colo.) (NAIA-D2) 75
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 67, Nebraska Wesleyan 47
Young Harris (NCAA-D2) 109, Piedmont 60
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA) 94, Principia 82
McKendree (NCAA-D2) 74, MacMurray 57
Warren Wilson (USCAA) 68, Piedmont 49
Virginia-Lynchburg (USCAA) 72, Averett 65
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 75, Maine-Presque Isle 64
Penn State Delaware County (USCAA) 83, Lancaster Bible 82
Valley Forge Christian (NCCAA) 81, Philadelphia Bible 61
SUNY Canton (USCAA) 83, Green Mountain 69
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 64, Maine-Presque Isle 60
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 80, Chapman 77
Hiwassee (USCAA) 75, Huntingdon 72
Faith Bapt. Bible (NCCAA) 93, North Central (Minn.) 84
Virginia-Lynchburg (USCAA) 62, Maine-Presque Isle 53
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 67, Nebraska Wesleyan 62
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 89, Geneva 85
Tennessee Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 100, Maryville (Tenn.) 79
D3 record through Feb 15
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 37
NAIA-D1 11 35
NAIA-D2 87 96
NCCAA 48 21
USCAA 106 48
Other 64 9
D3 Chapman University 70, Black Hills State University D2 67.
Apologies... I quit on this in February as the excitement of conference tourney time approached
Here are final records D3 vs non D3 Season 2011-12 :
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 7 37
NAIA-D1 11 36
NAIA-D2 88 97
NCCAA 49 26
USCAA 106 48
Other 66 9
Thanks for compiling this, Hopefan!
I just read some of this discussion today. Just for the record even though Neb Wesleyan is affiliated with both the NAIA and D3 they competed as a NAIA member last year. This was due to the lack of d3 non conference games.
Quote from: HCACBBALL on May 13, 2012, 10:52:29 PM
I just read some of this discussion today. Just for the record even though Neb Wesleyan is affiliated with both the NAIA and D3 they competed as a NAIA member last year. This was due to the lack of d3 non conference games.
For these records, I have always gone with the site... if Pat and D3Hoops lists a school on the team pages, then I have included it, even though a majority of the games played by a particular team may be Non-NCAA. It does create some controversy using the Nebraska Wesleyans and UMPIs year in and year out, but at least it draws a solid line in the sand as to who to include, right or wrong....
We MAY need someone to step up and run this room in 2012-13.... I will be on a 40th anniversary vacation the first week of the season (how did I let her plan a mid November wedding forty years ago? I must have really been smitten!) Anyway, current attitude is not doing the programming and downloading for 2012-13 that makes keeping up with this relatively easy....
What's the ruling on games that count for the opponent, but not for the d3 school? Eastern Nazarene College is playing competitively at NJIT tonight (only down five at the half despite a sloppy opening frame).
If it doesn't count for a D3 school, it didn't happen.
D-II Chaminade kicked some U of Texas butt yesterday 86-73 8-)
Whitewater beat the number 1 ranked NAIA Division 2 team, Cardinal Stritch, 91-81.
Though Retirement won't give me freedom until most of the 2013-14 season is complete, I'm looking forward to keeping the necessary data to monitor this subject and supply complete data!!!!... already staring to input available schedules!!!! 'The return of hopefan!!'!
Quote from: hopefan on June 30, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
Though Retirement won't give me freedom until most of the 2013-14 season is complete, I'm looking forward to keeping the necessary data to monitor this subject and supply complete data!!!!... already staring to input available schedules!!!! 'The return of hopefan!!'!
Glad to hear that. I'll help when you can't find a score.
Quote from: hopefan on June 30, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
Though Retirement won't give me freedom until most of the 2013-14 season is complete, I'm looking forward to keeping the necessary data to monitor this subject and supply complete data!!!!... already staring to input available schedules!!!! 'The return of hopefan!!'!
Great news! Thanks for doing this!
Regular Season Games vs D1 this season.... will we get one this year?
Note... preseason exhibitions not included..
Also.. I started collecting schedules 2 months ago.. games scheduled recently may have been missed in some cases...
11/20/2013 Thiel (PrAC) vs Youngstown State
11/20/2013 Greensboro (USA South) vs UNC Greensboro
11/21/2013 Eureka (SLIAC) vs Western Illinois
11/23/2013 Wilmington (OAC) vs Miami (Ohio)
11/23/2013 Westminster (Pa.) (PrAC) vs Youngstown State
11/27/2013 Mount St. Vincent (SKY) vs St. Francis (N.Y.)
11/30/2013 Greenville (SLIAC) vs Western Illinois
12/2/2013 Iowa Wesleyan (SLIAC-D3 Provisional) vs South Dakota
12/4/2013 Lewis and Clark (NWC) vs Portland
12/4/2013 Lyndon State (NAC) vs Vermont
12/4/2013 Catholic (LAND) vs Loyola (Md.)
12/5/2013 La Verne (SCIAC) vs UC Riverside
12/5/2013 North Carolina Wesleyan (USA South) vs Coastal Carolina
12/7/2013 Greensboro (USA South) vs Liberty
12/9/2013 Manchester (HCAC) vs Butler
12/10/2013 Colorado College (SCAC) vs Northern Colorado
12/14/2013 Louisiana College (ASC) vs Northwestern State (La.)
12/15/2013 Pacific Lutheran (NWC) vs Seattle
12/17/2013 Immaculata (CSAC) vs Lafayette
12/20/2013 Texas-Tyler (ASC) vs Texas St.
12/20/2013 Goucher (LAND) vs William and Mary
12/21/2013 Elmhurst (CCIW) vs Stephen F. Austin
12/22/2013 Ursinus (CC) vs Colgate
12/29/2013 Albertus Magnus (GNAC) vs Central Connecticut
12/30/2013 Coast Guard (NEWMAC) vs Army
12/30/2013 Houghton (E8-D3 Provisional) vs Radford
1/4/2014 Kalamazoo (MIAA) vs IPFW
1/4/2014 Washington College (CC) vs VMI
1/11/2014 Daniel Webster (NECC) vs Brown
1/11/2014 Baruch (CUNYAC) vs Yale
1/13/2014 CCNY (CUNYAC) vs New Jersey Tech
1/26/2014 Kean (NJAC) vs Princeton
12/4/2013 Lewis and Clark (NWC) vs Portland
12/4/2013 Catholic (LAND) vs Loyola (Md.)
12/7/2013 Greensboro (USA South) vs Liberty
12/21/2013 Elmhurst (CCIW) vs Stephen F. Austin
12/29/2013 Albertus Magnus (GNAC) vs Central Connecticut
12/30/2013 Houghton (E8-D3 Provisional) vs Radford
Those are the only games I could see maybe, possibly happening.
SF Austin was 27-5 last year and in the NIT and probably should have made the NCAA if all was right and true and just. That's not going to happen.
Loyola went 23-12 and played in the post season as well.
Albertus Magnus vs. Central isn't happening either. Kyle Vinellis for Central is one of the better players in the country you've never heard of. I think he scored 40 points 2 or 3 times last year. However, if they were playing St. Francis (NY) instead of CCSU, I think Alburtus could've defeated them.
12/8/13 - Webster (SLIAC) vs Missouri S&T
Yjack... Missouri S&T is D2.... I just put out NCAAD1 schedule as it garners some amount of additional interest... starting Nov 15, I'll report ALL scores vs any Non D3, as well as cumulative records.... ;)
I left the Albertus and Elmhurst games on there because those d1 teams are good enough to look past a d3 school and the d3 schools are just good enough to make them pay for doing so.
Most d1 v d3 games are forgone conclusions, even if one school plays their worst game and the other their best. It's those games in the middle, where the overlap exists that you find potential winners.
You rarely, if ever, see a low d1 schedule a high d3 anymore - not after Williams over Holy Cross. It's all about figuring out who's capable of winning on the other team's off night. I think both Albertus and Elmhurst can do it.
The lowest rated D1 off that list according to last years massey is UC-Riverside then UNC-Greensboro. Everyone else cracks the top 280 or so. Don't think its happening this year.
Quote from: hopefan on October 29, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
Yjack... Missouri S&T is D2.... I just put out NCAAD1 schedule as it garners some amount of additional interest... starting Nov 15, I'll report ALL scores vs any Non D3, as well as cumulative records.... ;)
It would help if I read the fine print. :D
Quote from: Hoops Fan on October 29, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
I left the Albertus and Elmhurst games on there because those d1 teams are good enough to look past a d3 school and the d3 schools are just good enough to make them pay for doing so.
Most d1 v d3 games are forgone conclusions, even if one school plays their worst game and the other their best. It's those games in the middle, where the overlap exists that you find potential winners.
You rarely, if ever, see a low d1 schedule a high d3 anymore - not after Williams over Holy Cross. It's all about figuring out who's capable of winning on the other team's off night. I think both Albertus and Elmhurst can do it.
Elmhurst doesn't have a prayer of winning that game, HF.
Buffalo State got an early start to the season Friday night as they visited Division I Niagara University for an exhibition game against the Purple Eagles. Buff State lost 96-71 but putting up 71 points against a DI team is a decent effort. The Bengals kept it close in the early going and actually had a 10-8 lead, but Niagara went on an 11-0 run to open up a 9 point lead at 19-10. Bengals got within 5 points at 23-18 but the Purple Eagles slowly pulled away and ended the half up 49-29. Niagara continued to build their lead at the start of the 2nd period and were up 55-31 with 17:42 left to play. The Bengals mounted a charge however and outscored Niagara 16-0 over the next 3 minutes led by Rod Epps, Jordan Glover and Justin Mitchell. When Buff State started their run all 5 starters for Niagara were in the game. The Purple Eagles basically used an 8 man rotation while the Bengals had 10 different players average double digit minutes. Eventually the superior height advantage of Niagara proved to be too much for the Bengals to overcome and the lead once again grew to double figures. Over the final 10 minutes Niagara pulled away to post the final margin of victory. That 16-0 run by the Bengals though, must have had the Bengal faithful on their feet. Hard to outscore any D1 team 16-0 at any point in a game, even against their end of the bench players, much less their starters.
I'm actually going to see Central Connecticut play tomorrow. I still don't think Albertus can beat them, but if Kyle Vanelis is hurt/sick for that game, who knows AMC may actually win that game.
A question for the pro(s) managing this topic. Nebraska Wesleyan has dual membership in the NAIA and NCAA. But looking at their schedule this season there seem to be very few games vs NCAA D3 teams. Simpson is the one team on their schedule that I'm certain is D3. So will Neb Wes be included in the "vs NAIA" in that game with Simpson and any other D3 schools on their schedule?
Neb. Wesleyan always has to declare if they are D3 or not and apply for the waiver to complete in the NCAA tournament. They have not declared for D3 in a long time - though they are still a D3 program and institution in the eyes of the NCAA. Remember, they have a D3 national title in the rafters.
NebWes has declared for the NAIA tourney for the past several years rather than the NCAA tourney (you have to make such declarations in the preseason), so, for all intents and purposes, the Prairie Wolves are currently an NAIA team.
Believe it or not - those decisions have to be made in MAY ... six months prior!
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2013, 11:25:25 PM
Neb. Wesleyan always has to declare if they are D3 or not and apply for the waiver to complete in the NCAA tournament. They have not declared for D3 in a long time - though they are still a D3 program and institution in the eyes of the NCAA. Remember, they have a D3 national title in the rafters.
If they do, it's not for men's basketball. NebWes has been to the D3 men's Final Four four times, but it's never brought home the Big Doorstop.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 11, 2013, 11:27:21 PM
Believe it or not - those decisions have to be made in MAY ... six months prior!
"Preseason" is a relative term. ;)
As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations... Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.
In the case of Provisional and Exploratory teams:
Iowa Wesleyan, Centenary, and Houghton will be considered NCAA D3 teams as they play full D3 conference schedules...
Alfred State, Penn College, Bryn Athyn, Illinois Tech, Sarah Lawrence, SUNY-Canton, and Valley Forge Christian will not be considered NCAA-D3, as most play less than half their games vs NCAA-D3. Alfred State will be over half depending on Tourney matchups, but I left them off the NCAA list as they were borderline....
Quote from: hopefan on November 12, 2013, 08:04:35 AM
As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations... Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.
So in the case of the aforementioned Simpson vs Nebraska Wesleyan game (see my post above), will that game be included in your list of games that D3 teams play against NAIA D2 teams?
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2013, 11:26:21 PM
NebWes has declared for the NAIA tourney for the past several years rather than the NCAA tourney (you have to make such declarations in the preseason), so, for all intents and purposes, the Prairie Wolves are currently an NAIA team.
Even though they do not declare for the D3 Tourney in basketball they do compete for the D3 title in track and in fact host this years D3 Indoor Championships.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 12, 2013, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 12, 2013, 08:04:35 AM
As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations... Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.
So in the case of the aforementioned Simpson vs Nebraska Wesleyan game (see my post above), will that game be included in your list of games that D3 teams play against NAIA D2 teams?
That's correct....
also, in keeping with that mindset there will be a separate 'non-D3' catagory for NCAAD3 provisional and exploratory for the schools I mentioned....
Quote from: hopefan on November 12, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 12, 2013, 08:36:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 12, 2013, 08:04:35 AM
As I am intending to supply all data for this site, including scores and won loss.. yes, I'm well aware of the dual Membership situations... Nebraska Wesleyan and Maine Presque Isle will not be considered NCAA-D3 as they play less than half their games vs D3.
So in the case of the aforementioned Simpson vs Nebraska Wesleyan game (see my post above), will that game be included in your list of games that D3 teams play against NAIA D2 teams?
That's correct....
also, in keeping with that mindset there will be a separate 'non-D3' catagory for NCAAD3 provisional and exploratory for the schools I mentioned....
Awesome! You are the man!
hopefan,
Here's another D3 vs D1 that wasn't on your list.
December 30th Lyndon State will travel to the University of Vermont to take on the Catamounts.
Thanks Magic... that must have been a late one.. I didn't have it....
Pacific Lutheran 43, Portland State 79 last night.
That's still exhibition, right? There have been a lot of results this past week where D3 teams play D1 teams and it counts for D1 but is still a D3 exhibition.
(I really hate that...)
Correct - Real game for PSU, Exh for PLU
Would have had scores up by now, but a change in the format used on D3hoops scoreboard (spaces after rteam ranking, etc) since two years ago has my formulas and Macros turned to gobblely goop.. should have corrected for tomorrow....
Games of 11/15/13
Bates (D3) 107 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 46
Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 75 Grove City (D3) 72
William Peace (D3) 80 Johnson And Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 76
Hilbert (D3) 93 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 39
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 85 St. Vincent (D3) 83
John Jay (D3) 80 Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 62
Lycoming (D3) 94 Penn College (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 77
Marietta (D3) 84 Ohio Christian (NCCAA-D2) 83
Mitchell (D3) 102 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 52
Muhlenberg (D3) 95 Bryn Athyn (USCAA) 55
North Carolina Wesleyan (D3) 95 Maryland Bible (Other) 64
Greensboro (D3) 74 Bob Jones (NCCAA-D1) 64
DePauw (D3) 85 Trinity International (NAIA-D2) 39
North Central (Ill.) (D3) 100 Valor Christian (USCAA) 72
Potsdam State (D3) 71 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 69
UW-Platteville (D3) 97 Indiana Dabney (USCAA) 64
Puget Sound (D3) 71 Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 58
Sewanee (D3) 80 Crown (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 45
SUNY-Maritime (D3) 82 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 52
Albion (D3) 81 College of Faith (Other) 70
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 84 UW-Stout (D3) 83 **** correction made
Endicott (D3) 89 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 78
Widener (D3) 112 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 76
CCNY (D3) 95 Cooper Union (Other) 50
Concordia (Texas) (D3) 129 Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 127
King's (D3) 106 Penn State Scranton (USCAA) 64
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 76 Northland (D3) 68
Randolph (D3) 77 Christendom (USCAA) 35
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 58 Millsaps (D3) 55
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (D3) 72 San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 60
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2013, 12:29:17 PM
Games of 11/15/13
Bates (D3) 107 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 46
Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 75 Grove City (D3) 72
William Peace (D3) 80 Johnson And Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 76
Hilbert (D3) 93 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 39
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 85 St. Vincent (D3) 83
John Jay (D3) 80 Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 62
Lycoming (D3) 94 Penn College (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 77
Marietta (D3) 84 Ohio Christian (NCCAA-D2) 83
Mitchell (D3) 102 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 52
Muhlenberg (D3) 95 Bryn Athyn (USCAA) 55
North Carolina Wesleyan (D3) 95 Maryland Bible (Other) 64
Greensboro (D3) 74 Bob Jones (NCCAA-D1) 64
DePauw (D3) 85 Trinity International (NAIA-D2) 39
North Central (Ill.) (D3) 100 Valor Christian (USCAA) 72
Potsdam State (D3) 71 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 69
UW-Platteville (D3) 97 Indiana Dabney (USCAA) 64
Puget Sound (D3) 71 Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 58
Sewanee (D3) 80 Crown (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 45
SUNY-Maritime (D3) 82 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 52
Albion (D3) 81 College of Faith (Other) 70
Mount Mercy (D3) 84 UW-Stout (WIAC) 83
Endicott (D3) 89 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 78
Widener (D3) 112 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 76
CCNY (D3) 95 Cooper Union (Other) 50
Concordia (Texas) (D3) 129 Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 127
King's (D3) 106 Penn State Scranton (USCAA) 64
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 76 Northland (D3) 68
Randolph (D3) 77 Christendom (USCAA) 35
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 58 Millsaps (D3) 55
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (D3) 72 San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 60
hopefan,
I'm wondering why the bolded score is on the list? ??? Both D3? I think not, my friend. I know you're trying to keep D3 in the lead against the other guys but I have to keep you honest. Mount Mercy is NAIA-D2. ;D
Darned macro..... ;D ;D
Actually thanks, just found the error....
Games of 11/16/13
Maine-Farmington (D3) 117 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 67
Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 79 Geneva (D3) 76
LaGrange (D3) 88 Johnson And Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 83
St. Lawrence (D3) 84 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 48
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 87 Hiram (D3) 74
Lewis and Clark (D3) 108 Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 58
Ohio Christian (NCCAA-D2) 102 Earlham (D3) 69
Lehman (D3) 68 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 53
Hunter (D3) 78 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 74
North Carolina Wesleyan (D3) 79 Bob Jones (NCCAA-D1) 65
Greensboro (D3) 76 Maryland Bible (Other) 72
Clarkson (D3) 85 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 67
UW-La Crosse (D3) 75 Indiana Dabney (USCAA) 59
Immaculata (D3) 95 Penn State-Abington (USCAA) 93
Sewanee (D3) 96 Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 66
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 80 St. John's (D3) 74
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 81 St. Scholastica (D3) 69
Merchant Marine (D3) 71 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 61
Albion (D3) 83 Northern Michigan (NCAA-D2) 76
Wilkes (D3) 87 Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 75
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 66 Wartburg (D3) 56
Webster (D3) 85 Calumet St. Joseph (NAIA-D2) 55
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 90 Maine Maritime (D3) 53
Rowan (D3) 89 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 60
Mississippi College (D3) 73 Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 61
Chapman (D3) 71 La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 50
Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 80 Concordia (Ill.) (D3) 61
William Penn (NAIA-D2) 106 Finlandia (D3) 62
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 94 Northland (D3) 38
Millersville (NCAA-D2) 69 Rutgers-Camden (D3) 50
University of the Ozarks (D3) 134 Baptist Bible (Mo.) (NCCAA-D2) 70
St. Mary's (Tx.) (NCAA-D2) 73 Texas Lutheran (D3) 64
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 0
NCAA-D2 1 5
NAIA-D1 2 0
NAIA-D2 5 6
NCCAA-D1 3 0
NCCAA-D2 5 2
USCAA 13 2
Other 6 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory3 0
IND-D3 Provisional6 2
Games of 11/17/13
Calumet St. Joseph (NAIA-D2) 67 MacMurray (D3) 59
Linfield (D3) 82 Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
UC Santa Cruz (D3) 79 Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 56
Franciscan (Ohio) (D3) 88 Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 64
Grinnell (D3) 173 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 123
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 122 RPI (D3) 95
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70 Pacific (D3) 68
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 0
NCAA-D2 1 5
NAIA-D1 2 0
NAIA-D2 6 8
NCCAA-D1 3 0
NCCAA-D2 7 2
USCAA 14 3
Other 6 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 3 0
IND-D3 Provisional 6 2
Quote from: hopefan on November 18, 2013, 09:27:38 PM
Games of 11/17/13
Calumet St. Joseph (NAIA-D2) 67 MacMurray (D3) 59
Linfield (D3) 82 Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
UC Santa Cruz (D3) 79 Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 56
Franciscan (Ohio) (D3) 88 Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 64
Grinnell (D3) 173 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 123
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 122 RPI (D3) 95
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70 Pacific (D3) 68
hopefan,
That bolded score does not bode well for your alma mater. :(
Quote from: magicman on November 18, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 18, 2013, 09:27:38 PM
Games of 11/17/13
Calumet St. Joseph (NAIA-D2) 67 MacMurray (D3) 59
Linfield (D3) 82 Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
UC Santa Cruz (D3) 79 Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 56
Franciscan (Ohio) (D3) 88 Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 64
Grinnell (D3) 173 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 123
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 122 RPI (D3) 95
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70 Pacific (D3) 68
hopefan,
That bolded score does not bode well for your alma mater. :(
you're telling me... I can't see playing run and gun against a team who probably wants to play that way... could be a long season....
Games of 11/18/13
Husson (D3) 112 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 70
Wright State (NCAA-D1) 83 Manchester (D3) 33
King's (D3) 81 Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 51
Grand Valley (NCAA-D2) 70 Olivet (D3) 48
St. Vincent (D3) 93 Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 73
Texas Lutheran (D3) 77 Open Bible (Other) 63
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 1
NCAA-D2 1 6
NAIA-D1 2 0
NAIA-D2 6 8
NCCAA-D1 3 0
NCCAA-D2 7 2
USCAA 17 3
Other 7 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 3 0
IND-D3 Provisional 6 2
Missed on 11/15/13... D3hoops can't catch 'em all
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 81, Sul Ross State (D3) 74
Missed on 11/16/13
McMurry (NCAA-D2) 76, Sul Ross State (D3) 72
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2013, 08:00:13 PM
Missed on 11/15/13... D3hoops can't catch 'em all
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 81, Sul Ross State (D3) 74
Missed on 11/16/13
McMurry (NCAA-D2) 76, Sul Ross State (D3) 72
IS McMurry considered full D2 already? (Must not have the waiting periods we have in D3.)
Games of 11/19/13
Albion (D3) 51 Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 50
Centenary (La.) (D3) 88 LSU-Shreveport (NAIA-D1) 84
Vanguard (NAIA-D1) 90 Chapman (D3) 71
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (D3) 68 Master's (NAIA-D1) 56
Wayne State (Neb.) (NCAA-D2) 80 Crown (D3) 52
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 81 Finlandia (D3) 60
Greenville (D3) 82 Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 62
Marywood (D3) 82 Penn State Scranton (USCAA) 72
Minnesota-Morris (D3) 84 Trinity Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 78 Pacific Lutheran (D3) 71
Piedmont (D3) 83 Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 74
Biola (NAIA-D1) 73 Pomona-Pitzer (D3) 70
Redlands (D3) 75 San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 67
Minnesota Duluth (NCAA-D2) 73 UW-Superior (D3) 58
North Carolina Wesleyan (D3) 96 Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 75
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 94 Lagrange (D3) 91
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 74 Principia (D3) 63
Grand View (NAIA-D2) 93 Simpson (D3) 86
Massachusetts College (D3) 100 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 86
Keuka (D3) 92 Alfred State (Ind-D3 Provisional) 62
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 1
NCAA-D2 1 10
NAIA-D1 5 3
NAIA-D2 8 11
NCCAA-D1 3 0
NCCAA-D2 10 3
USCAA 19 3
Other 7 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 3 0
IND-D3 Provisional 7 2
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2013, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2013, 08:00:13 PM
Missed on 11/15/13... D3hoops can't catch 'em all
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 81, Sul Ross State (D3) 74
Missed on 11/16/13
McMurry (NCAA-D2) 76, Sul Ross State (D3) 72
IS McMurry considered full D2 already? (Must not have the waiting periods we have in D3.)
We are D-2 provisional (I think that we have 2 years left before we will be full members of the D-2 Heartland Conference and a football affiliate of the Lone Star Conference.)
This does give me the chance to mention our buzzer beater 3-pointer in the win over Conference USA-member UT-San Antonio, 73-71.
http://youtu.be/e-typOCBRJk
Games of 11/20/13
Cal Lutheran (D3) 77 Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 74
Arcadia (D3) 82 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 77
Clarkson (D3) 76 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 66
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 81 Finlandia (D3) 61
Concordia (Ala.) (USCAA) 103 Huntingdon (D3) 77
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 75 La Roche (D3) 64
Lewis and Clark (D3) 100 Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 89
Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 65 Maine Maritime (D3) 58
Penn State-Abington (D3) 99 Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 74
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 65 St. Mary's (Minn.) (D3) 48
Wilkes (D3) 79 Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 63
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 82 Thiel (D3) 58
Rowan (D3) 79 Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 66
DeSales (D3) 94 Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 89
Williams (D3) 80 St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 64
Sage (D3) 87 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 60
UNC Greensboro (NCAA-D1) 92 Greensboro (D3) 62
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 3
NCAA-D2 1 11
NAIA-D1 5 3
NAIA-D2 9 12
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 10 3
USCAA 24 6
Other 8 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 8 2
Games of 11/21/13
Bluffton (D3) 100 OSU Mansfield (Other) 62
Cazenovia (D3) 104 SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 92
Finlandia (D3) 57 Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 54
Lakeland (D3) 90 Silver Lake (USCAA) 76
Maryville (Tenn.) (D3) 122 Johnson (NCCAA-D2) 65
North Central (Ill.) (D3) 87 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 30
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 89 Martin Luther (D3) 77
Oglethorpe (D3) 63 Warren Wilson (USCAA) 50
Whittier (D3) West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) rescheduled to 12/3
Lehman (D3) 98 The New School (Other) 34
Western Illinois (NCAA-D1) 79 Eureka (D3) 52
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 11
NAIA-D1 5 3
NAIA-D2 10 13
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 11 3
USCAA 27 6
Other 10 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 9 2
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2013, 09:56:20 AM
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 11
NAIA-D1 5 3
NAIA-D2 10 13
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 11 3
USCAA 27 6
Other 10 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 9 2
It seems very odd to me that we've played 61 games below even NAIA II level vs just 23 against NAIA II, our closest cousin. Maybe this will correct itself as we go deeper into the season?
Quote from: sac on November 22, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2013, 09:56:20 AM
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 11
NAIA-D1 5 3
NAIA-D2 10 13
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 11 3
USCAA 27 6
Other 10 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 9 2
It seems very odd to me that we've played 61 games below even NAIA II level vs just 23 against NAIA II, our closest cousin. Maybe this will correct itself as we go deeper into the season?
Cupcake time
Actually I can answer the question, though my numbers miss some tournament games..
2013-14 Games vs:
NCAA-D1 34
NCAA-D2 33
NAIA-D1 29
NAIA-D2 110
NCCAA-D1 11
NCCAA-D2 53
USCAA 110
Other 35
Ind-D3 Exploratory 13
IND-D3 Provisional 51
I'm not so sure I'd automatically count NCCAA-D1 as below NAIA-D2. Aren't a decent number of them actually NAIA-II, NCAA-D3, and even NCAA-D2 members?
Quote from: KnightSlappy on November 22, 2013, 01:04:56 PM
I'm not so sure I'd automatically count NCCAA-D1 as below NAIA-D2. Aren't a decent number of them actually NAIA-II, NCAA-D3, and even NCAA-D2 members?
You can find the list here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCCAA_institutions), but you might want to double check against thenccaa.org. Many NCAA-D2 members and NAIA-D2 with some NCAA-D3 and NAIA-D1. Gardner Webb won the NCCAA tournament in 2001 as a NCAA D-1 member, but is no longer competing in the NCCAA.
Does the tally of NCCAA list those with sole membership in said organization?
Quote from: smedindy on November 22, 2013, 01:41:36 PM
Does the tally of NCCAA list those with sole membership in said organization?
The wikipedia list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCCAA_institutions) appears to be pretty accurate from a quick inspection. I count 10 out of 69 NCCAA D-1 members who aren't currently a member of another organization.
Here is where I have teams categorized... it is not necessarily all-inclusive, but at a minimum includes any teams playing a D3 school
Bethesda NCCAA-D1
Bob Jones NCCAA-D1
Columbia International NCCAA-D1
Crowley's Ridge NCCAA-D1
Dallas Baptist NCCAA-D1
Lee NCCAA-D1
New Hope Christian NCCAA-D1
Oklahoma Christian NCCAA-D1
Point NCCAA-D1
Tennessee Temple NCCAA-D1
Victory NCCAA-D1
Arlington Baptist NCCAA-D2
Baptist Bible (Mo.) NCCAA-D2
Boyce NCCAA-D2
Central Bible NCCAA-D2
Crossroads NCCAA-D2
Crown (Tn.) NCCAA-D2
Dallas Christian NCCAA-D2
Faith Baptist Bible NCCAA-D2
Grace Bible NCCAA-D2
Great Lakes Christian NCCAA-D2
Johnson NCCAA-D2
Kuyper NCCAA-D2
Lincoln Christian NCCAA-D2
Manhattan Christian NCCAA-D2
Moody Bible NCCAA-D2
Multnomah NCCAA-D2
Northland International NCCAA-D2
Ohio Christian NCCAA-D2
Pensacola Christian NCCAA-D2
Portland Bible NCCAA-D2
Providence College NCCAA-D2
Toccoa Falls NCCAA-D2
Trinity (Fla.) NCCAA-D2
Trinity Bible NCCAA-D2
West Coast Baptist NCCAA-D2
Akron-Wayne Other
Albany Pharmacy Other
American Sports Other
Barclay Other
Bethany (Cal.) Other
Champion Baptist Other
College of Faith Other
Concordia St. Louis Other
Cooper Union Other
Culinary Institute Other
Davis Other
Dayspring Bible Other
East-West Other
Emmaus other
Free Will Baptist Other
Gogebic CC Other
Hiwassee Other
Holland College Other
Jamestown-Olean Other
John Abbott Other
Kent St.-Tuscarawas Other
Logan Chiropractic Other
Maryland Bible Other
Miami-Hamilton Other
Nebraska Christian Other
Ohio State Lima Other
Ohio State Marion Other
Ohio University Eastern Other
Ohio University-Zanesville Other
Open Bible Other
OSU Lima Other
OSU Mansfield Other
Pacifica Other
Patrick Henry Other
Pitt-Titusville Other
Pratt Other
Rhema Bible Other
Sacred Heart (PR) Other
Sagrado Corazon Other
Shawnee Baptist Other
Simon Fraser Other
Southern Maine C.C. Other
Southwestern Adventist Other
St. Katherine Other
St. Louis Christian Other
SUNY-Delhi Other
Thaddeus Stevens Other
The New School Other
Universidad Metropolitana Other
Valley Forge Military Other
Word of Life Other
Andrews USCAA
Barber Scotia USCAA
Berkeley (N.J.) USCAA
Berkeley College (NY) USCAA
Briarcliffe (N.Y) USCAA
Central Penn USCAA
Christendom USCAA
Concordia (Ala.) USCAA
Daeman USCAA
Florida College USCAA
Indiana Dabney USCAA
Johnson and Wales (N.C.) USCAA
King's College NY USCAA
Lindenwood-Belleville USCAA
Maine-Augusta USCAA
Maine-Fort Kent USCAA
Maine-Machias USCAA
Maine-Presque Isle USCAA
Me.-Augusta USCAA
Mid-Atlantic Christian USCAA
Oakwood USCAA
Ohio MidWestern USCAA
Paul Smiths USCAA
Penn St. Beaver USCAA
Penn St. Mont Alto USCAA
Penn St.- Wilkes Barre USCAA
Penn St.-Dubois USCAA
Penn St.-Fayette USCAA
Penn St.-Greater Allegheny USCAA
Penn St.-Hazleton USCAA
Penn St.-New Kensington USCAA
Penn State Brandywine USCAA
Penn State Delaware County USCAA
Penn State Lehigh Valley USCAA
Penn State Schuylkill USCAA
Penn State Scranton USCAA
Penn State York USCAA
Robert Morris-Lake County USCAA
Robert Morris-Springfield USCAA
Rochester (Mich.) USCAA
Saint Mary-of-the-Woods USCAA
Silver Lake USCAA
St. Joseph's (VT.) USCAA
SUNY-ESF USCAA
The Apprentice School USCAA
UC Clermont USCAA
Unity USCAA
Valor Christian USCAA
Vaughn USCAA
Vermont Tech USCAA
Virginia-Lynchburg USCAA
Warren Wilson USCAA
Washington Adventist USCAA
Williamson Trade School USCAA
Allen NAIA-D1
Arizona Christian NAIA-D1
Auburn Montgomery NAIA-D1
Avila NAIA-D1
Azusa Pacific NAIA-D1
Bacone NAIA-D1
Baker NAIA-D1
Belhaven NAIA-D1
Benedictine (Kansas) NAIA-D1
Bethel (Tenn.) NAIA-D1
Biola NAIA-D1
Blue Mountain NAIA-D1
Bluefield NAIA-D1
Brewton-Parker NAIA-D1
Cal St. San Marcos NAIA-D1
Campbellsville NAIA-D1
Carroll Mt NAIA-D1
Central Methodist NAIA-D1
Columbia College NAIA-D1
Concordia (Cal.) NAIA-D1
Culver-Stockton NAIA-D1
Cumberland NAIA-D1
Dickinson State NAIA-D1
Dillard NAIA-D1
Edward Waters NAIA-D1
Emmanuel (Ga.) NAIA-D1
Evangel NAIA-D1
Faulkner NAIA-D1
Fisk NAIA-D1
Freed-Hardeman NAIA-D1
Georgetown NAIA-D1
Graceland NAIA-D1
Great Falls NAIA-D1
Hannibal-Lagrange NAIA-D1
Harris-Stowe NAIA-D1
Hope International NAIA-D1
Huston-Tillotson NAIA-D1
Jarvis Christian NAIA-D1
John Brown NAIA-D1
Langston NAIA-D1
Lewis-Clark State NAIA-D1
Life NAIA-D1
Lindsey Wilson NAIA-D1
Loyola (N.O.) NAIA-D1
LSU-Shreveport NAIA-D1
Lyon NAIA-D1
Martin Methodist NAIA-D1
Master's NAIA-D1
MidAmerica Nazarene NAIA-D1
Mid-American Christian NAIA-D1
Mid-Continent NAIA-D1
Missouri Baptist NAIA-D1
Missouri Valley NAIA-D1
Mobile NAIA-D1
Montana State-Northern NAIA-D1
Montana Tech NAIA-D1
Montana-Western NAIA-D1
Morris NAIA-D1
Oklahoma Baptist NAIA-D1
Oklahoma City NAIA-D1
Park NAIA-D1
Paul Quinn NAIA-D1
Peru State NAIA-D1
Philander Smith NAIA-D1
Pikeville NAIA-D1
Rio Grande NAIA-D1
Rocky Mountain NAIA-D1
San Diego Christian NAIA-D1
Science & Arts NAIA-D1
Shawnee State NAIA-D1
Southern Polytechnic NAIA-D1
Southern Wesleyan NAIA-D1
Southern-New Orleans NAIA-D1
Southwest (N.M.) NAIA-D1
Southwestern Assemblies NAIA-D1
Spring Hill NAIA-D1
St. Catharine NAIA-D1
St. Gregory's NAIA-D1
Talladega NAIA-D1
Texas College NAIA-D1
Texas Wesleyan NAIA-D1
Tougaloo NAIA-D1
Trevecca Nazarene NAIA-D1
Vanguard NAIA-D1
Voorhees NAIA-D1
Wayland Baptist NAIA-D1
West Virginia Tech NAIA-D1
Westminster (Utah) NAIA-D1
Westmont NAIA-D1
Wiley NAIA-D1
William Carey NAIA-D1
William Woods NAIA-D1
Williams Baptist NAIA-D1
Xavier (La.) NAIA-D1
AIB College of Business NAIA-D2
Alice Lloyd NAIA-D2
Aquinas NAIA-D2
Asbury NAIA-D2
Ashford NAIA-D2
Ave Maria NAIA-D2
Bellevue NAIA-D2
Berea NAIA-D2
Bethany (Kan.) NAIA-D2
Bethel (Ind.) NAIA-D2
Bethel (Kan.) NAIA-D2
Brescia NAIA-D2
Briar Cliff (Iowa) NAIA-D2
Bryan NAIA-D2
Cal Maritime NAIA-D2
Calumet St. Joseph NAIA-D2
Cardinal Stritch NAIA-D2
Central Baptist NAIA-D2
Central Christian NAIA-D2
Cincinnati Christian NAIA-D2
Clarke NAIA-D2
College of Idaho NAIA-D2
Concordia (Mi.) NAIA-D2
Concordia (Neb.) NAIA-D2
Concordia (Ore.) NAIA-D2
Corban NAIA-D2
Cornerstone NAIA-D2
Dakota State NAIA-D2
Dakota Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Davenport NAIA-D2
Doane NAIA-D2
Dordt NAIA-D2
Eastern Oregon NAIA-D2
Embry-Riddle NAIA-D2
Evergreen St. NAIA-D2
Fisher NAIA-D2
Florida Memorial NAIA-D2
Friends NAIA-D2
Goshen NAIA-D2
Grace NAIA-D2
Grand View NAIA-D2
Haskell NAIA-D2
Hastings NAIA-D2
Holy Cross NAIA-D2
Huntington (Ind.) NAIA-D2
Ind.-East NAIA-D2
Indiana Southeast NAIA-D2
Indiana Tech NAIA-D2
Indiana Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Indiana-Kokomo NAIA-D2
Indiana-Northwest NAIA-D2
Indiana-Northwest NAIA-D2
Indiana-South Bend NAIA-D2
Jamestown NAIA-D2
Johnson & Wales (Colo.) NAIA-D2
Johnson & Wales (Fla.) NAIA-D2
Judson NAIA-D2
Kansas Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Kentucky Christian NAIA-D2
La Sierra NAIA-D2
Lawrence Tech NAIA-D2
Madonna NAIA-D2
Marian (Ind.) NAIA-D2
Marygrove NAIA-D2
Mayville State NAIA-D2
McPherson NAIA-D2
Menlo NAIA-D2
Michigan-Dearborn NAIA-D2
Midland NAIA-D2
Milligan NAIA-D2
Montreat NAIA-D2
Morningside NAIA-D2
Mount Marty NAIA-D2
Mount Mercy NAIA-D2
Mount Vernon Nazarene NAIA-D2
Nebraska Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Northern New Mexico NAIA-D2
Northwest (Wash.) NAIA-D2
Northwest Christian NAIA-D2
Northwestern (Iowa) NAIA-D2
Northwestern Ohio NAIA-D2
Northwood (Fla.) NAIA-D2
Oklahoma Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Olivet Nazarene NAIA-D2
Oregon Tech NAIA-D2
Ottawa NAIA-D2
Ozarks NAIA-D2
Pacific Union NAIA-D2
Point NAIA-D2
Point Park NAIA-D2
Presentation NAIA-D2
Purdue-Calumet NAIA-D2
Purdue-North Central NAIA-D2
Reinhardt NAIA-D2
Robert Morris (Chicago) NAIA-D2
Roberts Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Roosevelt NAIA-D2
Siena Heights NAIA-D2
Simpson (Cal.) NAIA-D2
Southeastern NAIA-D2
Southern Oregon NAIA-D2
Southwestern (Kan.) NAIA-D2
Spring Arbor NAIA-D2
St. Ambrose NAIA-D2
St. Francis (Ill.) NAIA-D2
St. Francis (Ind.) NAIA-D2
St. Louis Pharmacy NAIA-D2
St. Mary (Kan.) NAIA-D2
St. Thomas (Fla.) NAIA-D2
St. Thomas (Tx.) NAIA-D2
St. Xavier NAIA-D2
Sterling NAIA-D2
Tabor NAIA-D2
Taylor NAIA-D2
Tennessee Wesleyan NAIA-D2
Trinity Christian NAIA-D2
Trinity International NAIA-D2
Truett-McConnell NAIA-D2
UC-Merced NAIA-D2
Union (Ky.) NAIA-D2
Valley City State NAIA-D2
Virginia Intermont NAIA-D2
Viterbo NAIA-D2
Waldorf NAIA-D2
Walla Walla NAIA-D2
Warner NAIA-D2
Warner Pacific NAIA-D2
Webber International NAIA-D2
Wilberforce NAIA-D2
William Jessup NAIA-D2
William Penn NAIA-D2
York (Neb.) NAIA-D2
I'm not worried about 'dead' schools included.... but if I have any stupidly misplaced, let me know and I will correct....
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
Here is where I have teams categorized... it is not necessarily all-inclusive, but at a minimum includes any teams playing a D3 school
Dallas Baptist NCCAA-D1
Dallas Baptist is also NCAA-D2 and to make things more confusing I'll also throw out the fact that they're NCAA-D1 for baseball.
Looking at their site, they play in an NCAA-D2 conference... I'll make the change.. and hey, D3 E Texas Bap beat them!!!!!
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2013, 03:33:34 PM
Looking at their site, they play in an NCAA-D2 conference... I'll make the change.. and hey, D3 E Texas Bap beat them!!!!!
exhibition game though.
just realized that... thanks....
Oklahoma Christian U is provisional D-2 in the Heartland Conference.
(Just roll out the list hopefan and the rest of the posters will start proofreading it. ;) Kinda fun, isn't it.)
Games of 11/22/13
Calvin (D3) 105 Kuyper (NCCAA-D2) 86
New England College (D3) 74 King's College NY (USCAA) 39
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 80 Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 78
North Central (Minn.) (D3) 73 Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 60
Ohio Christian (NCCAA-D2) 90 Otterbein (D3) 71
Centre (D3) 80 Point Park (NAIA-D2) 76
Rochester Tech (D3) 87 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 66
Susquehanna (D3) 85 Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 67
Chapman (D3) 87 Menlo (NAIA-D2) 63
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 102 Concordia-Moorhead (D3) 55
Manhattan Christian (NCCAA-D2) 62 Iowa Wesleyan (D3) 53
Maine-Machias (USCAA) 84 Maine Maritime (D3) 57
Incarnate Word (NCAA-D2) 80 Southwestern (D3) 61
Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 74 William Peace (D3) 72
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 13
NAIA-D1 5 3
NAIA-D2 12 13
NCCAA-D1 4 1
NCCAA-D2 14 5
USCAA 29 7
Other 10 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 10 2
If you follow this room, keep your eye on D3 vs NAIA-D2... that one is usually pretty close....
And here is a little add on... I'll show it every now and then
D3 vs non conference D3
1 WIAC 13 5 0.722
2 Newmac 18 7 0.720
3 UAA 15 6 0.714
4 ODAC 20 8 0.714
5 MIAC 12 5 0.706
6 NESCAC 23 10 0.697
7 Landmark 14 7 0.667
8 OAC 14 7 0.667
9 CCIW 13 7 0.650
10 MACC 16 9 0.640
11 NEAC 15 9 0.625
12 MWC 16 10 0.615
13 LL 14 10 0.583
14 IIAC 11 8 0.579
15 NJAC 11 8 0.579
16 NWC 12 9 0.571
17 MACF 12 9 0.571
18 CAC 14 11 0.560
19 SAA 11 9 0.550
20 ASC 6 5 0.545
21 LEC 12 10 0.545
22 PrAC 13 11 0.542
23 SCAC 8 7 0.533
24 HCAC 13 14 0.481
25 Sky 11 12 0.478
26 NCAC 7 8 0.467
27 CSAC 12 14 0.462
28 CCC 14 17 0.452
29 AMCC 10 13 0.435
30 Mascac 9 12 0.429
31 SCIAC 6 8 0.429
32 CUNY 10 14 0.417
33 Independent 5 7 0.417
34 CC 11 16 0.407
35 NATCH 6 9 0.400
36 NECC 10 16 0.385
37 GNAC 11 18 0.379
38 E8 9 15 0.375
39 USAC 8 14 0.364
40 UMAC 6 12 0.333
41 MIAA 5 11 0.313
42 NAC 4 11 0.267
43 SLIAC 5 16 0.238
yikes, my SLIAC boys are 43 out of 43.... :o :o :o
Magicman later pointed out an error... the SUNYAC is misidentified as the NEAC, and the NEAC is missing... will be corrected next time.....The NEAC actually comes out no 44!!!
Wilmington defeated Miami (Ohio) today, 65-63. Coming to this board to find out when the last time was a D3 beat a D1. Can never remember from one to the next. :)
Colorado College beat Air Force early in the 2010-11 season
When I monitored things in 2011-12, D3 was 0-45 vs D1
I don't know if we beat them in 2012-13 or not......
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2013, 10:11:02 AM
And here is a little add on... I'll show it every now and then
D3 vs non conference D3
1 WIAC 13 5 0.722
2 Newmac 18 7 0.720
3 UAA 15 6 0.714
4 ODAC 20 8 0.714
5 MIAC 12 5 0.706
6 NESCAC 23 10 0.697
7 Landmark 14 7 0.667
8 OAC 14 7 0.667
9 CCIW 13 7 0.650
10 MACC 16 9 0.640
11 NEAC 15 9 0.625
12 MWC 16 10 0.615
13 LL 14 10 0.583
14 IIAC 11 8 0.579
15 NJAC 11 8 0.579
16 NWC 12 9 0.571
17 MACF 12 9 0.571
18 CAC 14 11 0.560
19 SAA 11 9 0.550
20 ASC 6 5 0.545
21 LEC 12 10 0.545
22 PrAC 13 11 0.542
23 SCAC 8 7 0.533
24 HCAC 13 14 0.481
25 Sky 11 12 0.478
26 NCAC 7 8 0.467
27 CSAC 12 14 0.462
28 CCC 14 17 0.452
29 AMCC 10 13 0.435
30 Mascac 9 12 0.429
31 SCIAC 6 8 0.429
32 CUNY 10 14 0.417
33 Independent 5 7 0.417
34 CC 11 16 0.407
35 NATCH 6 9 0.400
36 NECC 10 16 0.385
37 GNAC 11 18 0.379
38 E8 9 15 0.375
39 USAC 8 14 0.364
40 UMAC 6 12 0.333
41 MIAA 5 11 0.313
42 NAC 4 11 0.267
43 SLIAC 5 16 0.238
Do my eyes deceive me or did you leave out my SUNYAC conference. ??? I checked that list twice and unless you used some different initials to identify it, I can't find the YAC on it anywhere. :( We were 14-9, I believe, heading into today's games. We were 1-3 today, so that would make us 15-12 overall vs D-3. Our actual record is 16-12 but 1 of those wins was against SUNY-Canton.
Speaking of SUNY-Canton, I didn't spot them in the massive list of teams that you posted earlier. When Potsdam State beat them back on 11-15 you posted the result of that game and said they were Ind-D3 Provisional. Are you not going to give us the list of those teams as well? You're slipping ;D I know Alfred State, Illnois Tech, Sarah Lawrence, and Valley Forge Christian were the teams that you listed as Ind-D3 Provisional that had played a game against a D3 team.
Ugh WHY is the SUNYAC missing... to the drawing board....
;D ;D ;D Magic you'll appreciate this... the conference really missing is the NEAC... the SUNYAC is misidentified as the NEAC... and when I get the NEAC in, they come in dead LAST... replacing my boys from the SLIAC!!!! Thanks for bringing to my attention...
Ind-D3 Provisionals are Alfred State, Illinois Tech, Sarah Lawrence, SUNY-Canton, and Valley Forge Christian
Ind-D3 Exploratory are Bryn Athyn and Penn College
Remember, I have counted Centenary, Iowa Wesleyan, Houghton, and Southern Virginia as NCAA D3 teams because they play full conference schedule while still in a provisional status...
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
;D ;D ;D Magic you'll appreciate this... the conference really missing is the NEAC... the SUNYAC is misidentified as the NEAC... and when I get the NEAC in, they come in dead LAST... replacing my boys from the SLIAC!!!! Thanks for bringing to my attention...
That's funny. I noticed the NEAC Conference was fairly high and mighty on that list of yours and was going to check on it as I found it hard to believe they could be doing that well. But then I got sidetracked when I couldn't find the SUNYAC Conference anywhere. And then I was further sidetracked when I discovered the error on the scoreboard of 11-19 that omitted the Alfred State score which led to my e-mail to you. I completely forgot that I wanted to check out the NEAC, as I thought they should be at the other end of that list. I should score mucho bonus points with you for kicking your guys up a notch :D and thus avoiding the bottom rung of the ladder. 8-)
Games of 11/23/13
Calvin (D3) 97 College of Faith (Other) 81
Colby (D3) 96 Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 55
Johnson State (D3) 92 King's College NY (USCAA) 46
Manhattan Christian (NCCAA-D2) 79 Maranatha Baptist (D3) 78
Clarke (NAIA-D2) 100 Buena Vista (D3) 94
Keuka (D3) 101 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 72
Trinity (Conn.) (D3) 63 Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 60
Alfred (D3) 100 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 96
Goshen (NAIA-D2) 73 Bluffton (D3) 71
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 93 Houghton (D3) 74
Iowa Wesleyan (D3) 80 Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 78
MacMurray (D3) 122 St. Louis Christian (Other) 66
Bryan (NAIA-D2) 72 Maryville (Tenn.) (D3) 70
Northland (D3) 76 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 57
Occidental (D3) 79 St. Katherine (Other) 69
Purdue-Calumet (NAIA-D2) 86 Olivet (D3) 63
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 77 Pomona-Pitzer (D3) 69
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 103 St. Scholastica (D3) 56
Washington and Jefferson (D3) 88 Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 73
Wilmington (D3) 65 Miami (Ohio) (NCAA-D1) 63
Bethany (D3) 102 Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 63
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 108 Westminster (Pa.) (D3) 57
Texas Lutheran (D3) 97 Southwestern Adventist (Other) 83
Evansville (NCAA-D1) 91 Anderson (D3) 68
Ohio University (NCAA-D1) 85 Heidelberg (D3) 57
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 63 North Central (Minn.) (D3) 45
Oglethorpe (D3) 90 Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 53
Montreat (NAIA-D2) 103 Averett (D3) 100
SUNY-Cobleskill (D3) 74 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 67
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 7
NCAA-D2 1 14
NAIA-D1 5 4
NAIA-D2 12 20
NCCAA-D1 4 1
NCCAA-D2 17 6
USCAA 34 7
Other 14 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 5 0
IND-D3 Provisional 12 2
Wow... very bad night vs NAIA D2
New vs non conference D3 and corrected!!! ;)
1 WIAC 17 6 0.739
2 NESCAC 27 11 0.711
3 OAC 19 8 0.704
4 Newmac 21 9 0.700
5 ODAC 23 10 0.697
6 MIAC 16 7 0.696
7 MACC 22 10 0.688
8 UAA 19 9 0.679
9 Landmark 16 10 0.615
10 LEC 17 11 0.607
11 PrAC 17 12 0.586
12 IIAC 14 10 0.583
13 NJAC 11 8 0.579
14 SCAC 12 9 0.571
15 LL 16 12 0.571
16 MWC 16 12 0.571
17 SAA 16 12 0.571
18 SUNY 16 12 0.571
19 CAC 17 13 0.567
20 CCIW 15 12 0.556
21 MACF 15 12 0.556
22 NATCH 12 10 0.545
23 NWC 14 13 0.519
24 E8 15 15 0.500
25 Sky 15 15 0.500
26 CSAC 16 17 0.485
27 HCAC 14 15 0.483
28 ASC 7 9 0.438
29 NCAC 9 12 0.429
30 Mascac 11 15 0.423
31 Independent 7 10 0.412
32 CCC 16 23 0.410
33 CC 11 16 0.407
34 SCIAC 7 11 0.389
35 NECC 13 21 0.382
36 USAC 11 18 0.379
37 AMCC 12 20 0.375
38 CUNY 10 17 0.370
39 UMAC 8 14 0.364
40 GNAC 13 23 0.361
41 MIAA 6 13 0.316
42 NAC 6 13 0.316
43 SLIAC 7 20 0.259
44 NEAC 6 20 0.231
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2013, 12:15:07 PM
New vs non conference D3 and corrected!!! ;)
1 WIAC 17 6 0.739
2 NESCAC 27 11 0.711
3 OAC 19 8 0.704
4 Newmac 21 9 0.700
5 ODAC 23 10 0.697
6 MIAC 16 7 0.696
7 MACC 22 10 0.688
8 UAA 19 9 0.679
9 Landmark 16 10 0.615
10 LEC 17 11 0.607
11 PrAC 17 12 0.586
12 IIAC 14 10 0.583
13 NJAC 11 8 0.579
14 SCAC 12 9 0.571 SUNY 16 12 0.571
15 LL 16 12 0.571
16 MWC 16 12 0.571
17 SAA 16 12 0.571
18 SUNY 16 12 0.571 SCAC 12 9 0.571
19 CAC 17 13 0.567
20 CCIW 15 12 0.556
21 MACF 15 12 0.556
22 NATCH 12 10 0.545
23 NWC 14 13 0.519
24 E8 15 15 0.500
25 Sky 15 15 0.500
26 CSAC 16 17 0.485
27 HCAC 14 15 0.483
28 ASC 7 9 0.438
29 NCAC 9 12 0.429
30 Mascac 11 15 0.423
31 Independent 7 10 0.412
32 CCC 16 23 0.410
33 CC 11 16 0.407
34 SCIAC 7 11 0.389
35 NECC 13 21 0.382
36 USAC 11 18 0.379
37 AMCC 12 20 0.375
38 CUNY 10 17 0.370
39 UMAC 8 14 0.364
40 GNAC 13 23 0.361
41 MIAA 6 13 0.316
42 NAC 6 13 0.316
43 SLIAC 7 20 0.259
44 NEAC 6 20 0.231
hopefan,
I believe that NOW it's correct. ;D
Games of 11/24/13
Colby (D3) 87 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 71
Clarke (NAIA-D2) 73 UW-Oshkosh (D3) 57
Concordia (Cal.) (NAIA-D1) 87 Lewis and Clark (D3) 67
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 7
NCAA-D2 1 14
NAIA-D1 5 5
NAIA-D2 13 21
NCCAA-D1 4 1
NCCAA-D2 17 6
USCAA 34 7
Other 14 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 5 0
IND-D3 Provisional 12 2
Games of 11/26/13
Southeastern (NAIA-D2) 107 Franklin (D3) 97
Piedmont (D3) 76 Truett-McConnell (NAIA-D2) 73
Polytechnic (D3) 76 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 75
UW-La Crosse (D3) 68 Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 59
Whittier (D3) 86 West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 82
Auburn Montgomery (NAIA-D1) 89 Huntingdon (D3) 73
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 7
NCAA-D2 1 14
NAIA-D1 5 6
NAIA-D2 15 22
NCCAA-D1 4 1
NCCAA-D2 18 6
USCAA 34 7
Other 14 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 5 0
IND-D3 Provisional 13 2
Games of 11/26/13
Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 66 Adrian (D3) 53
Berry (D3) 80 Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 67
Arizona Christian (NAIA-D1) 71 Chapman (D3) 59
Chicago (D3) 109 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 46
Bluefield (NAIA-D1) 99 Emory and Henry (D3) 70
Eckerd (NCAA-D2) 94 Franklin (D3) 77
Greenville (D3) 82 St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 69
George Fox (D3) 95 Corban (NAIA-D2) 82
Silver Lake (USCAA) 94 Northland (D3) 76
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 72 University of New England (D3) 53
Malone (NCAA-D2) 92 Waynesburg (D3) 70
William Peace (D3) 107 Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 74
William Woods (NAIA-D1) 88 Principia (D3) 67
Texas Lutheran (D3) 84 Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 78
Sewanee (D3) 82 Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 63
Virginia Wesleyan (D3) 103 The Apprentice School (USCAA) 68
Cal Lutheran (D3) 84 Pacifica (Other) 60
Games of 11/27/13
Western Oregon (NCAA-D2) 88 Willamette (D3) 77
William Penn (NAIA-D2) 84 Simpson (D3) 74
St. Francis (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 83 Mount St. Vincent (D3) 54
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Games of 11/26/13
Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 66 Adrian (D3) 53
Berry (D3) 80 Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 67
Arizona Christian (NAIA-D1) 71 Chapman (D3) 59
Chicago (D3) 109 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 46
Bluefield (NAIA-D1) 99 Emory and Henry (D3) 70
Eckerd (NCAA-D2) 94 Franklin (D3) 77
Greenville (D3) 82 St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 69
George Fox (D3) 95 Corban (NAIA-D2) 82
Silver Lake (USCAA) 94 Northland (D3) 76
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 72 University of New England (D3) 53
Malone (NCAA-D2) 92 Waynesburg (D3) 70
William Peace (D3) 107 Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 74
William Woods (NAIA-D1) 88 Principia (D3) 67
Texas Lutheran (D3) 84 Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 78
Sewanee (D3) 82 Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 63
Virginia Wesleyan (D3) 103 The Apprentice School (USCAA) 68
Cal Lutheran (D3) 84 Pacifica (Other) 60
See bold above. I had no idea St. Louis Pharmacy was NAIA. Has that been so for very long?
Yjak... I looked back at 2011-12 scores and they were listed as NAIA-D2 then also... not sure when they became members... Their site confirms....
Hope you have a great Thanksgiving.... sorry you had to miss the Elmhurst game.. it was a good one....
A couple of scores that got missed...
11/20/13 George Fox (D3) 87 Portland Bible NCCAA-D2 66
11/23/13 Concordia (Ore.) NAIA-D2 108 George Fox (D3) 99
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 8
NCAA-D2 1 17
NAIA-D1 6 9
NAIA-D2 17 26
NCCAA-D1 5 1
NCCAA-D2 20 6
USCAA 36 8
Other 15 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 5 0
IND-D3 Provisional 14 2
D3 vs D3 out of conference
1 NESCAC 31 13 0.705
2 WIAC 21 9 0.700
3 UAA 23 10 0.697
4 ODAC 27 12 0.692
5 MACC 21 10 0.677
6 Newmac 25 13 0.658
7 OAC 21 11 0.656
8 CCIW 20 11 0.645
9 MIAC 20 11 0.645
10 Landmark 19 11 0.633
11 PrAC 18 11 0.621
12 LEC 22 14 0.611
13 SAA 16 12 0.571
14 IIAC 17 13 0.567
15 MWC 16 13 0.552
16 NJAC 12 10 0.545
17 SCAC 13 11 0.542
18 LL 15 14 0.517
19 E8 18 17 0.514
20 SUNY 18 17 0.514
21 CSAC 19 18 0.514
22 NWC 13 13 0.500
23 CAC 20 20 0.500
24 Sky 18 18 0.500
25 HCAC 17 18 0.486
26 MACF 15 16 0.484
27 ASC 9 10 0.474
28 NATCH 15 17 0.469
29 NCAC 13 16 0.448
30 CCC 21 26 0.447
31 Mascac 13 18 0.419
32 CC 11 16 0.407
33 CUNY 11 17 0.393
34 SCIAC 7 12 0.368
35 AMCC 13 23 0.361
36 Independent 6 11 0.353
37 NECC 14 27 0.341
38 GNAC 14 27 0.341
39 USAC 11 22 0.333
40 NAC 7 15 0.318
41 MIAA 6 15 0.286
42 UMAC 6 17 0.261
43 SLIAC 7 25 0.219
44 NEAC 3 20 0.130
To anyone looking closely at D3 vs D3.. found an error, so w/l changed in some cases...
The HCAC has only lost 2 more non conference basketball games than the football teams did... slightly higher win percentage for basketball though ;D
Games of 11/29/13
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 85 Calvin (D3) 66
Hope (D3) 69 Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 67
Mass-Boston (D3) 84 St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 68
Luther (D3) 96 Barclay (Other) 49
Central (D3) 88 Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 74
Willamette (D3) 78 Corban (NAIA-D2) 54
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 8
NCAA-D2 1 17
NAIA-D1 6 9
NAIA-D2 20 27
NCCAA-D1 5 1
NCCAA-D2 20 6
USCAA 37 8
Other 16 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 5 0
IND-D3 Provisional 14 2
D I vs D III
Bryant 82
Salve Regina 55
Games of 11/30
Carnegie Mellon (D3) 106 Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 82
Calvin (D3) 77 Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 55
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 79 Hope (D3) 73
Emerson (D3) 80 St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 74
Luther (D3) 79 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 65
UW-Stout (D3) 56 Ashford (NAIA-D2) 41
Adrian (D3) 75 Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 46
Dordt (NAIA-D2) 98 Central (D3) 76
Dubuque (D3) 75 Clarke (NAIA-D2) 64
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 103 Lewis and Clark (D3) 94
Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 78 Occidental (D3) 68
Bryant (NCAA-D1) 82 Salve Regina (D3) 55
Swarthmore (D3) 72 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 57
Nebraska-Omaha (NCAA-D1) 86 Iowa Wesleyan (D3) 36
Western Illinois (NCAA-D1) 76 Greenville (D3) 49
Games of 12/1/13
Springfield (D3) 109 Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 62
UW-River Falls (D3) 79 Ashford (NAIA-D2) 66
Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA-D2) 54 Adrian (D3) 45
Moravian (D3) 83 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 79
Mass-Lowell (NCAA-D2) 73 Mount Ida (D3) 45
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 62 St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 56
Baylor (NCAA-D1) 104 Hardin-Simmons (D3) 59
Sul Ross State (D3) 78 Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 46
Games of 12/2/13
Delaware State (NCAA-D1) 72 Baptist Bible (D3) 47
Roosevelt (NAIA-D2) 78 Maranatha Baptist (D3) 60
Texas Lutheran (D3) 69 Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 67
Sul Ross State (D3) 78 Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 46
Games of 12/3/13
Asbury (NAIA-D2) 87 Centre (D3) 81
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 46 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (D3) 45
Concordia (Ill.) (D3) 93 Silver Lake (USCAA) 69
Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 82 Emory and Henry (D3) 71
Houghton (D3) 80 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 58
Lancaster Bible (D3) 72 Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 63
Minnesota-Morris (D3) 80 Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 75
Pacific (D3) 97 New Hope Christian (NCCAA-D1) 63
William Peace (D3) 85 St. Andrews (NCAA-D2) 82
Johnson and Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 93 Greensboro (D3) 90
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 90 King's College NY (USCAA) 39
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 13
NCAA-D2 2 18
NAIA-D1 8 10
NAIA-D2 26 34
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 21 6
USCAA 43 10
Other 16 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 6 0
IND-D3 Provisional 17 2
D3 vs Non Conference D3
1 UAA 33 11 0.750
2 NESCAC 43 15 0.741
3 WIAC 27 12 0.692
4 ODAC 31 14 0.689
5 CCIW 25 12 0.676
6 MACC 25 13 0.658
7 OAC 25 14 0.641
8 Newmac 29 17 0.630
9 Landmark 22 14 0.611
10 PrAC 22 14 0.611
11 MIAC 23 15 0.605
12 NJAC 18 12 0.600
13 LEC 27 19 0.587
14 IIAC 20 15 0.571
15 SAA 20 15 0.571
16 SCAC 17 13 0.567
17 CAC 25 21 0.543
18 MWC 17 15 0.531
19 LL 20 18 0.526
20 NWC 17 16 0.515
21 MACF 19 18 0.514
22 SUNY 20 21 0.488
23 CSAC 20 21 0.488
24 ASC 10 11 0.476
25 Sky 18 20 0.474
26 NATCH 15 17 0.469
27 E8 20 23 0.465
28 HCAC 19 23 0.452
29 NCAC 17 21 0.447
30 CCC 21 27 0.438
31 CC 13 18 0.419
32 SCIAC 10 14 0.417
33 Mascac 13 23 0.361
34 AMCC 15 27 0.357
35 GNAC 16 29 0.356
36 CUNY 11 20 0.355
37 NECC 14 28 0.333
38 NAC 9 18 0.333
39 USAC 13 28 0.317
40 MIAA 8 18 0.308
41 UMAC 8 22 0.267
42 Independent 6 19 0.240
43 SLIAC 8 27 0.229
44 NEAC 5 24 0.172
Games of 12/4/13
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 70 Nazareth (D3) 68
Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 87 Bard (D3) 75
Vaughn (USCAA) 97 Brooklyn (D3) 93
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 70 Carthage (D3) 69
William Penn (NAIA-D2) 92 Central (D3) 67
Utica (D3) 103 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 86
Simpson (D3) 82 AIB College of Business (NAIA-D2) 76
Loyola (Md.) (NCAA-D1) 87 Catholic (D3) 75
St. Vincent (D3) 113 Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 68
Emerson (D3) 77 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 60
Rust (D3) 92 Bethel (Tenn.) (NAIA-D1) 85
Colorado College (D3) 71 Johnson & Wales (Colo.) (NAIA-D2) 56
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 14
NCAA-D2 2 18
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 29 37
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 21 6
USCAA 44 12
Other 16 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 6 0
IND-D3 Provisional 18 2
Games of 12/5/13
Centre (D3) 81 Brescia (NAIA-D2) 62
Maine Maritime (D3) 82 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 74
Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 82 University of Dallas (D3) 79
UC Riverside (NCAA-D1) 92 La Verne (D3) 77
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 89 North Carolina Wesleyan (D3) 54
Whittier (D3) 87 St. Katherine (Other) 72
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 16
NCAA-D2 2 18
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 30 37
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 21 7
USCAA 45 12
Other 17 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 6 0
IND-D3 Provisional 18 2
Games of 12/6/13
Gallaudet (D3) 72 Maryland Bible (Other) 46
Lynchburg (D3) 94 Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 70
Multnomah (NCCAA-D2) 126 Maranatha Baptist (D3) 93
Southern Vermont (D3) 74 St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 64
Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 62 Rochester (D3) 60
Houghton (D3) 104 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 89
Minnesota-Morris (D3) 57 Presentation (NAIA-D2) 48
York (N.Y.) (D3) 107 Vaughn (USCAA) 60
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 16
NCAA-D2 2 18
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 31 38
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 21 8
USCAA 47 12
Other 18 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 6 0
IND-D3 Provisional 20 2
D3 vs non conference D3
1 UAA 35 12 0.745
2 NESCAC 44 17 0.721
3 CCIW 30 12 0.714
4 ODAC 32 14 0.696
5 WIAC 27 12 0.692
6 Newmac 34 17 0.667
7 MACC 25 13 0.658
8 OAC 25 14 0.641
9 LEC 31 19 0.620
10 PrAC 22 14 0.611
11 MIAC 23 15 0.605
12 NJAC 18 12 0.600
13 Landmark 22 15 0.595
14 SAA 21 15 0.583
15 SCAC 18 13 0.581
16 IIAC 22 16 0.579
17 CAC 26 22 0.542
18 MWC 17 15 0.531
19 NWC 18 16 0.529
20 MACF 19 18 0.514
21 LL 23 22 0.511
22 SUNY 23 22 0.511
23 CSAC 20 21 0.488
24 ASC 10 11 0.476
25 Sky 18 20 0.474
26 NATCH 15 17 0.469
27 E8 22 25 0.468
28 HCAC 19 23 0.452
29 NCAC 17 21 0.447
30 CCC 21 27 0.438
31 CC 13 18 0.419
32 SCIAC 10 14 0.417
33 CUNY 13 21 0.382
34 GNAC 17 30 0.362
35 AMCC 15 27 0.357
36 Mascac 14 29 0.326
37 NAC 9 19 0.321
38 NECC 15 32 0.319
39 USAC 13 31 0.295
40 MIAA 8 22 0.267
41 UMAC 9 25 0.265
42 Independent 7 21 0.250
43 SLIAC 9 28 0.243
44 NEAC 5 25 0.167
Thanks for the work here, hopefan...this is a great thread!
Games of 12/7/13
Connecticut College (D3) 91 Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 61
Norwich (D3) 93 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 74
St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 97 Massachusetts College (D3) 89
Brockport State (D3) 81 Roberts Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 52
Coe (D3) 99 Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 97
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 71 Luther (D3) 68
Trine (D3) 87 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 33
Sewanee (D3) 68 Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 64
North Central (Minn.) (D3) 87 Trinity Bible (NCCAA-D2) 86
Liberty (NCAA-D1) 84 Greensboro (D3) 47
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 95 Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 89
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 17
NCAA-D2 2 18
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 33 39
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 23 8
USCAA 49 13
Other 18 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 6 0
IND-D3 Provisional 21 2
D3 vs Non conference D3
1 NESCAC 47 19 0.712
2 UAA 37 15 0.712
3 ODAC 33 14 0.702
4 WIAC 27 12 0.692
5 Newmac 39 18 0.684
6 CCIW 31 15 0.674
7 MACC 25 13 0.658
8 OAC 25 14 0.641
9 LEC 31 19 0.620
10 PrAC 22 14 0.611
11 MIAC 23 15 0.605
12 NJAC 18 12 0.600
13 Landmark 22 15 0.595
14 IIAC 24 17 0.585
15 SCAC 19 14 0.576
16 SAA 22 17 0.564
17 NWC 19 16 0.543
18 CAC 26 22 0.542
19 MWC 17 15 0.531
20 SUNY 24 22 0.522
21 MACF 19 18 0.514
22 E8 26 26 0.500
23 CSAC 20 21 0.488
24 ASC 10 11 0.476
25 LL 24 27 0.471
26 NATCH 15 17 0.469
27 Sky 18 21 0.462
28 HCAC 19 23 0.452
29 NCAC 17 21 0.447
30 CCC 21 27 0.438
31 CC 13 18 0.419
32 SCIAC 10 14 0.417
33 CUNY 13 21 0.382
34 GNAC 17 30 0.362
35 AMCC 15 28 0.349
36 NECC 16 32 0.333
37 MIAA 11 23 0.324
38 NAC 9 19 0.321
39 Mascac 15 32 0.319
40 USAC 15 32 0.319
41 SLIAC 11 29 0.275
42 UMAC 10 28 0.263
43 Independent 7 23 0.233
44 NEAC 5 26 0.161
Games of 12/8/13
Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 81 St. Joseph's (L.I.) (D3) 75
Worcester State (D3) 96 Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 56
Alfred (D3) 115 Penn College (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 61
Central Missouri (NCAA-D2) 88 MacMurray (D3) 58
Missouri S&T (NCAA-D2) 95 Webster (D3) 79
Polytechnic (D3) 79 SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 66
Bard (D3) 68 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 59
Green Mountain (D3) 88 Unity (USCAA) 73
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 17
NCAA-D2 2 20
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 33 39
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 23 8
USCAA 52 14
Other 18 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 0
IND-D3 Provisional 22 2
Albertus Magnus will play at Central Connecticut State University (NCAA D1) on January 29 at 1pm
Manchester played Butler (Division 1) last night December 9.
Quote from: 7express on December 10, 2013, 03:22:02 PM
Manchester played Butler (Division 1) last night December 9.
"Played" in a loose sense of the word.
QuotePolytechnic (D3) 79 SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 66
Though I worked for the State of New York for four years and covered the SUNYAC closely for a while, I've wondered what SUNY-ESF was. So I did a google search and found this.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esf.edu%2Fcommunications%2Fnews%2Fnewsimg%2F2010%2F01.22.oakie%2FOakie21.jpg&hash=8009d9f8986d195e09b2a066ee8a1003e3faee7d)
There's a whole photo gallery of Oakie, the mascot for the SUNY College of Environmental Science & Forestry Might Oaks. Gosh, I love the internet sometimes.
http://www.esf.edu/communications/view.asp?newsID=321#/communications/news/newsimg/2010/01.22.oakie/Oakie21.jpg
I'm dating myself by posting this, but, when I was a kid back in the '70s, the old Syracuse Herald-Journal used to publish game capsules for ESF basketball games. The Orangemen drew most of the attention in the Salt City every winter, of course, but there would still be that brief writeup after every game for ESF and LeMoyne in the SHJ.
Heck, I can remember when the Tangerines (the Syracuse University JV team) would get SHJ capsule writeups in the early '70s. That was when Jim Boeheim coached the Tangerines, under the overall tutelage of his mentor, SU head coach Roy Danforth.
games of 12/9/13
Carthage (D3) 68 Silver Lake (USCAA) 56
Geneseo State (D3) 117 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 43
Butler (NCAA-D1) 100 Manchester (D3) 41
Games of 12/10/13
Lees-McRae (NCAA-D2) 78 Emory and Henry (D3) 64
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 86 Framingham State (D3) 75
Texas Lutheran (D3) 81 Open Bible (Other) 66
Wartburg (D3) 97 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 54
Northern Colorado (NCAA-D1) 96 Colorado College (D3) 57
Games of 12/11/13
Eureka (D3) 93 Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D2) 63
Olivet (D3) 108 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 50
Puget Sound (D3) 77 Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 65
Southern Virginia (D3) 76 The Apprentice School (USCAA) 69
University of Dallas (D3) 86 Southwestern Adventist (Other) 66
Johnson and Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 76 Averett (D3) 72
Drew (D3) 81 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 69
Wayne State (Mi.) (NCAA-D2) 74 Kalamazoo (D3) 66
Cal Lutheran (D3) 78 St. Katherine (Other) 76
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 19
NCAA-D2 2 22
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 34 40
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 25 8
USCAA 55 15
Other 21 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 0
IND-D3 Provisional 24 2
D3 vs Non Conference D3
1 ODAC 34 14 0.708
2 NESCAC 53 22 0.707
3 UAA 41 18 0.695
4 Newmac 44 20 0.688
5 WIAC 27 13 0.675
6 CCIW 33 16 0.673
7 MACC 25 13 0.658
8 OAC 25 14 0.641
9 LEC 34 20 0.630
10 NJAC 20 13 0.606
11 PrAC 23 15 0.605
12 MIAC 24 16 0.600
13 SAA 25 17 0.595
14 SCAC 20 14 0.588
15 IIAC 25 18 0.581
16 Landmark 23 17 0.575
17 MACF 22 18 0.550
18 NWC 19 16 0.543
19 MWC 17 15 0.531
20 CAC 26 23 0.531
21 SUNY 24 22 0.522
22 E8 28 27 0.509
23 LL 26 28 0.481
24 NATCH 15 17 0.469
25 HCAC 21 24 0.467
26 CSAC 20 23 0.465
27 Sky 20 23 0.465
28 ASC 10 12 0.455
29 NCAC 19 23 0.452
30 CC 14 18 0.438
31 CCC 21 29 0.420
32 SCIAC 10 14 0.417
33 CUNY 14 23 0.378
34 GNAC 18 31 0.367
35 AMCC 15 29 0.341
36 NECC 17 34 0.333
37 MIAA 12 24 0.333
38 USAC 16 33 0.327
39 NAC 10 23 0.303
40 Mascac 16 37 0.302
41 UMAC 12 30 0.286
42 SLIAC 11 29 0.275
43 Independent 8 26 0.235
44 NEAC 5 28 0.152
games of 12/12/13
Bard (D3) 76 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 64
Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 73 Delaware Valley (D3) 67
Olivet (D3) 103 Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 102
Dakota State (NAIA-D2) 83 Martin Luther (D3) 44
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 19
NCAA-D2 2 22
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 35 41
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 25 8
USCAA 55 15
Other 22 0
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 1 Bryn Athyn win over Del Val last night
IND-D3 Provisional 24 2
Scores of 12/13/13
Eastern Mennonite (D3) 85 Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 56
Rowan (D3) 91 Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 66
Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 71 Rutgers-Camden (D3) 64
Chapman (D3) 90 West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 65
Johnson and Wales (D3) 93 Johnson & Wales (Colo.) (NAIA-D2) 64
Minnesota-Morris (D3) 74 Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 72
Pacifica (Other) 72 La Verne (D3) 65
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 19
NCAA-D2 2 22
NAIA-D1 9 10
NAIA-D2 38 41
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 26 8
USCAA 56 16
Other 22 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 1
IND-D3 Provisional 24 2
NOTICE D3 3-0 vs NAIA D2 last night... pull to within 3 games of .500
Why the heck is Rowan playing Maine-Ft. Kent? Why would that ever happen?
It's a tournament at Rowan. A lot of times you grab a lower-level team to fill out the card.
Rowan probably gave them a travel allowance and some hotel rooms and pizzas. That's typical.
Here at CWU we trade out with local hotels for rooms for visiting teams and recruits, and the local pizza joints (and wings place) are sponsors for food trade out. Makes my job a bit...interesting...since there are also some contributions to the scholarship programs.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2013, 12:30:44 PM
Why the heck is Rowan playing Maine-Ft. Kent? Why would that ever happen?
Maine-Fort Kent is also playing Rochester College of Michigan on back-to-back days in January......in Montreal.
I was just wondering why they'd go for a non-d3 team that' ten hours away.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
I was just wondering why they'd go for a non-d3 team that' ten hours away.
Sometimes you have to take any team that's willing to show up. That's been particularly true in recent years, as it seems that more and more tournaments have a hard time filling their fields. Perhaps this is just an anecdotal observation on my part, but it seems as though there's an increasing number of D3-hosted tourneys that have to add obscure USCAA hyphen schools or NCCAA Bible schools to the field in order to fill out the four slots.
I'm sure Fort Kent is making a long weekend out of it, see the sights, play a little basketball.
Also interesting to note. Rowan has played in two tournaments this year one at Widener and their own, both have had Berkeley College of New Jersey.
Something weird going on with Rowan's whole tournament.
http://www.rowanathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&
Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 14, 2013, 05:11:29 PM
I was just wondering why they'd go for a non-d3 team that' ten hours away.
You don't always get the games you want - you get the games you have.
Games of 12/14/13
Bridgewater (Va.) (D3) 84 Virginia Intermont (NAIA-D2) 76
Wilkes (D3) 67 Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 63
Centenary (La.) (D3) 93 Open Bible (Other) 73
Concordia (Cal.) (NAIA-D1) 66 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (D3) 60
George Fox (D3) 94 Corban (NAIA-D2) 84
Johnson and Wales (D3) 85 Johnson & Wales (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 66
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 73 Linfield (D3) 57
North Carolina Wesleyan (D3) 91 Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 50
St. Martin's (NCAA-D2) 74 Pacific Lutheran (D3) 64
Texas A&M Kingsville (NCAA-D2) 79 Schreiner (D3) 67
UW-Eau Claire (D3) 64 Ashford (NAIA-D2) 63
North Central (Minn.) (D3) 104 Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 74
Cal Lutheran (D3) 96 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 48
Northwestern State (La.) (NCAA-D1) 116 Louisiana College (D3) 76
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 20
NCAA-D2 2 24
NAIA-D1 9 11
NAIA-D2 42 42
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 27 8
USCAA 58 16
Other 23 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 1
IND-D3 Provisional 26 2
HEY HEY We caught NAIA D2 Will be fun to track the rest of the way!!
D3 vs non conference d3
1 NESCAC 55 22 0.714
2 ODAC 36 16 0.692
3 Newmac 47 21 0.691
4 CCIW 40 18 0.690
5 UAA 41 19 0.683
6 WIAC 29 14 0.674
7 MACC 25 13 0.658
8 OAC 25 15 0.625
9 MIAC 27 17 0.614
10 SAA 27 18 0.600
11 LEC 34 23 0.596
12 Landmark 25 17 0.595
13 NJAC 22 15 0.595
14 PrAC 23 16 0.590
15 IIAC 27 20 0.574
16 SCAC 20 15 0.571
17 NWC 21 16 0.568
18 MWC 18 15 0.545
19 CAC 26 23 0.531
20 SUNY 26 23 0.531
21 MACF 22 20 0.524
22 E8 28 28 0.500
23 LL 27 28 0.491
24 NATCH 16 17 0.485
25 NCAC 21 23 0.477
26 CSAC 21 23 0.477
27 HCAC 21 24 0.467
28 ASC 11 13 0.458
29 CC 15 18 0.455
30 Sky 20 25 0.444
31 CCC 22 29 0.431
32 SCIAC 11 15 0.423
33 CUNY 16 24 0.400
34 GNAC 18 32 0.360
35 AMCC 16 29 0.356
36 NECC 20 37 0.351
37 MIAA 14 26 0.350
38 USAC 17 36 0.321
39 Mascac 19 41 0.317
40 NAC 10 24 0.294
41 SLIAC 12 32 0.273
42 UMAC 13 35 0.271
43 Independent 8 30 0.211
44 NEAC 6 30 0.167
Scores of 12/15/13
King's (D3) 95 Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 71
Alfred (D3) 121 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 70
Caltech (D3) 82 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 65
Pacific (D3) 85 Pacifica (Other) 78
Seattle (NCAA-D1) 66 Pacific Lutheran (D3) 38
Wiley (NAIA-D1) 98 Rust (D3) 53
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 21
NCAA-D2 2 24
NAIA-D1 9 12
NAIA-D2 42 42
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 27 8
USCAA 59 16
Other 24 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 1
IND-D3 Provisional 28 2
Final: #2 Wooster 53 Westmont NAIA D1 47 Wooster gets the D3 win on a neutral court in Arizona.
Games of 12/16/13
Humboldt State (NCAA-D2) 91 Linfield (D3) 58
Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 89 Olivet (D3) 63 D3 back to one under .500
Wooster (D3) 53 Westmont (NAIA-D1) 47
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 21
NCAA-D2 2 25
NAIA-D1 10 12
NAIA-D2 42 43
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 27 8
USCAA 59 16
Other 24 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 1
IND-D3 Provisional 28 2
Final: Arizona Christian (NAIA D1) 62 Wooster 60 Wooster loses a close road game to the #6 ranked team in the NAIA D1 poll.
Scores of 12/17/13
Lafayette (NCAA-D1) 79 Immaculata (D3) 54
UW-Oshkosh (D3) 72 Silver Lake (USCAA) 62
Arizona Christian (NAIA-D1) 62 Wooster (D3) 60
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 22
NCAA-D2 2 25
NAIA-D1 10 13
NAIA-D2 42 43
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 27 8
USCAA 60 16
Other 24 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 1
IND-D3 Provisional 28 2
Scores of 12/18/13
Gwynedd-Mercy (D3) 77 Montreat (NAIA-D2) 67
Adrian (D3) 74 Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 63
Iowa Wesleyan (D3) 76 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 57
Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 76 Lancaster Bible (D3) 60
Lewis and Clark (D3) 119 Multnomah (NCCAA-D2) 106
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 80 Southwestern (D3) 65
Texas A&M Kingsville (NCAA-D2) 75 Texas Lutheran (D3) 71
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 22
NCAA-D2 2 26
NAIA-D1 10 14
NAIA-D2 44 43 D3 over .500 !!!!!
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 28 8
USCAA 60 16
Other 24 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
D3 vs non conf D3
1 NESCAC 55 22 0.714
2 CCIW 43 19 0.694
3 Newmac 47 21 0.691
4 WIAC 30 14 0.682
5 UAA 42 20 0.677
6 ODAC 41 21 0.661
7 Landmark 32 19 0.627
8 NJAC 25 15 0.625
9 OAC 26 16 0.619
10 SAA 29 18 0.617
11 MIAC 27 18 0.600
12 LEC 34 23 0.596
13 NWC 23 16 0.590
14 PrAC 25 18 0.581
15 MACC 26 19 0.578
16 IIAC 27 21 0.563
17 CAC 29 23 0.558
18 MWC 19 16 0.543
19 SCAC 20 17 0.541
20 NATCH 20 17 0.541
21 SUNY 26 25 0.510
22 MACF 23 23 0.500
23 E8 29 30 0.492
24 LL 27 28 0.491
25 CC 20 21 0.488
26 NCAC 22 24 0.478
27 CSAC 23 26 0.469
28 ASC 11 13 0.458
29 HCAC 23 28 0.451
30 SCIAC 13 16 0.448
31 Sky 20 26 0.435
32 CCC 22 29 0.431
33 CUNY 16 25 0.390
34 AMCC 19 30 0.388
35 MIAA 16 27 0.372
36 GNAC 18 32 0.360
37 NECC 20 37 0.351
38 USAC 20 43 0.317
39 Mascac 19 41 0.317
40 NAC 10 24 0.294
41 UMAC 14 35 0.286
42 SLIAC 12 34 0.261
43 Independent 8 33 0.195
44 NEAC 6 31 0.162
Games of 12/19/13
Northwood (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 70 Gwynedd-Mercy (D3) 68
Dubuque (D3) 109 AIB College of Business (NAIA-D2) 66
Kalamazoo (D3) 90 Marygrove (NAIA-D2) 86
Lewis and Clark (D3) 124 Northwest Indian College (other) 94
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 83 Linfield (D3) 67
Southwest Minnesota (NCAA-D2) 83 UW-La Crosse (D3) 57
Dordt (NAIA-D2) 80 Martin Luther (D3) 56
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 22
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 14
NAIA-D2 46 46 2-3 last night....really kind of neat to follow
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 28 8
USCAA 60 16
Other 25 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
Incidentally.....
Lewis and Clark (D3) 124 Northwest Indian College (other) 94
Northwest Indian College ??? ???
http://www.nwic.edu/
An exceptional mission.
Quote from: hopefan on December 15, 2013, 06:22:03 AM
Games of 12/14/13
Johnson and Wales (D3) 85 Johnson & Wales (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 66
That had to be a fun game to follow on the radio. ;D
Games of 12/20/13
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 68 Minnesota-Morris (D3) 67
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 104 Olivet (D3) 92
William and Mary (NCAA-D1) 94 Goucher (D3) 60
We drop 2 to fall behind NAIA-D2
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 23
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 14
NAIA-D2 46 48
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 28 8
USCAA 60 16
Other 25 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 7 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
Games of 12/21/13
Hood (D3) 72 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 66
Adrian (D3) 60 Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 42
Stephen F. Austin (NCAA-D1) 83 Elmhurst (D3) 49
Purdue-Calumet (NAIA-D2) 87 Kalamazoo (D3) 77
Texas St. (NCAA-D1) 73 Texas-Tyler (D3) 54
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 25
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 14
NAIA-D2 47 49
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 28 8
USCAA 60 16
Other 25 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 8 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
Colgate (D1) 79 - Ursinus (DIII) 51
Games of 12/22
Penn State-Harrisburg (D3) 80 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 62
Colgate (NCAA-D1) 79 Ursinus (D3) 51
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 26
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 14
NAIA-D2 47 49 ****** See Comment Below
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 8
USCAA 60 16
Other 25 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
***** There are 34 more D3 vs NAIA D2 matchups scheduled this year and another 2 potential games in tourneys.
One important team to watch as D3 strives to overtake NAIA-D2 is NAIA-d2's Fisher... they have 7 games remaining with D3 teams.. most weaker New England D3 teams....
D3 vs non conf D3
1 NESCAC 55 22 0.714
2 WIAC 34 15 0.694
3 Newmac 47 21 0.691
4 UAA 43 20 0.683
5 CCIW 48 23 0.676
6 ODAC 44 22 0.667
7 NJAC 27 17 0.614
8 MACC 29 19 0.604
9 Landmark 32 21 0.604
10 OAC 27 19 0.587
11 IIAC 31 22 0.585
12 PrAC 28 20 0.583
13 MIAC 28 20 0.583
14 LEC 34 25 0.576
15 CAC 30 23 0.566 adj to prior made
16 SAA 30 23 0.566
17 SCIAC 19 16 0.543
18 NATCH 20 17 0.541
19 SCAC 21 18 0.538 adj to prior made
20 NWC 23 20 0.535
21 SUNY 28 25 0.528
22 NCAC 24 24 0.500
23 MACF 24 24 0.500
24 E8 29 30 0.492 adj to prior made
25 LL 27 28 0.491
26 CC 21 22 0.488
27 MWC 19 20 0.487
28 ASC 12 13 0.480
29 CSAC 24 26 0.480
30 HCAC 24 29 0.453
31 CCC 22 29 0.431
32 Sky 20 28 0.417
33 CUNY 16 25 0.390
34 AMCC 19 31 0.380
35 MIAA 17 29 0.370
36 GNAC 18 32 0.360
37 NECC 21 38 0.356
38 Mascac 19 41 0.317
39 USAC 20 44 0.313
40 NAC 10 24 0.294
41 UMAC 14 37 0.275
42 SLIAC 11 32 0.256 adj to prior made
43 Independent 9 35 0.205
44 NEAC 6 32 0.158
Only one game in the D3 world on Dec. 23
Cleveland State (NCAA-D1) 89 La Roche (D3) 42
Games of 12/27/13
Oakland (NCAA-D1) 87 Defiance (D3) 66
Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 85 Neumann (D3) 79
Montclair State (D3) 104 Vaughn (USCAA) 61
Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 65 Texas Lutheran (D3) 64
Kean (D3) 50 Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 48
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 75 Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 57
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 28
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 14
NAIA-D2 48 49
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 62 17
Other 25 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
Games of 12/28/13
Montclair State (D3) 100 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 73
Neumann (D3) 79 Vaughn (USCAA) 45
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 103 Texas Lutheran (D3) 80
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 67 Grove City (D3) 35
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 28
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 15
NAIA-D2 48 50
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 64 17
Other 25 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 29 2
Albertus loses at Central Connecticut State University (D1) 85-82 this afternoon. Albertus had a one point lead under a minute left but CCSU made four free throws and played excellent defense to close out the game and earn the victory.
Games of 12/29/13
North Park (D3) 83 Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 59
Bluffton (D3) 76 Ohio State Lima (Other) 50
Coe (D3) 100 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 45
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 73 Westminster (Mo.) (D3) 53
Endicott (D3) 75 Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 72
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 77 Buena Vista (D3) 67
Trinity (Conn.) (D3) 84 Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 45
Central Connecticut (NCAA-D1) 85 Albertus Magnus (D3) 82
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 29
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 15
NAIA-D2 48 52
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 67 17
Other 26 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 30 2
D3 vs non conf D3
1 NESCAC 56 23 0.709
2 Newmac 48 21 0.696
3 CCIW 51 24 0.680
4 UAA 44 21 0.677
5 ODAC 50 26 0.658
6 WIAC 39 21 0.650
7 OAC 35 21 0.625
8 MACC 31 19 0.620
9 Landmark 32 22 0.593
10 MIAC 29 20 0.592
11 NJAC 29 21 0.580
12 IIAC 32 24 0.571
13 SAA 33 25 0.569
14 LEC 34 26 0.567
15 CAC 31 25 0.554
16 NATCH 21 17 0.553
17 NCAC 30 25 0.545
18 NWC 28 24 0.538
19 SUNY 29 25 0.537
20 SCAC 25 22 0.532
21 PrAC 28 25 0.528
22 LL 28 28 0.500
23 E8 30 30 0.500
24 SCIAC 21 21 0.500
25 MWC 22 23 0.489
26 MACF 24 26 0.480
27 CC 22 24 0.478
28 CSAC 24 27 0.471
29 HCAC 25 30 0.455
30 ASC 12 15 0.444
31 CCC 22 29 0.431
32 Sky 21 29 0.420
33 CUNY 19 28 0.404
34 AMCC 21 31 0.404
35 MIAA 20 34 0.370
36 NECC 21 39 0.350
37 Mascac 22 41 0.349
38 GNAC 18 34 0.346
39 USAC 20 45 0.308
40 SLIAC 13 32 0.289
41 NAC 10 25 0.286
42 UMAC 14 39 0.264
43 Independent 9 38 0.191
44 NEAC 6 32 0.158
Did any D-3 programs schedule Champion Baptist? The gave up 44 points in a row to Southern to begin the game. I think they're an ACCA school.
Quote from: smedindy on December 30, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Did any D-3 programs schedule Champion Baptist? The gave up 44 points in a row to Southern to begin the game. I think they're an ACCA school.
No games vs Champion Baptist scheduled this year....
Games of 12/30/13
Bleak Thursday for D3 vs NAIA D2 as we go 1-5
Embry-Riddle (NAIA-D2) 73 Salisbury (D3) 52
Medaille (D3) 87 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 57
Bates (D3) 97 Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 73
St. Norbert (D3) 70 Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 63
Cincinnati Christian (NAIA-D2) 102 Thomas More (D3) 68
Vermont (NCAA-D1) 88 Lyndon State (D3) 48
Trinity (Conn.) (D3) 84 Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 45
Whittier (D3) 79 Pacifica (Other) 71
Army (NCAA-D1) 68 Coast Guard (D3) 48
Montreat (NAIA-D2) 82 Emory and Henry (D3) 68
Radford (NCAA-D1) 80 Houghton (D3) 51
Bryan (NAIA-D2) 76 Maryville (Tenn.) (D3) 73
Concordia (Ore.) (NAIA-D2) 86 Willamette (D3) 83
Vermont (NCAA-D1) 88 Lyndon State (D3) 48
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 33
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 15
NAIA-D2 49 57
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 69 17
Other 27 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 31 2
games of 12/31/13
Good recovery vs NAIA D2 (5-1)
Dubuque (D3) 79 St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D2) 62
Rockford (D3) 87 Clarke (NAIA-D2) 82
Hamilton (D3) 82 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 51
Centre (D3) 84 Cincinnati Christian (NAIA-D2) 73
Wentworth (D3) 76 Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 48
Dartmouth (NCAA-D1) 85 Lesley (D3) 47
Occidental (D3) 84 La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 81
Trine (D3) 57 Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA-D2) 47
Nebraska Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 74 Simpson (D3) 64
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 34
NCAA-D2 2 27
NAIA-D1 10 15
NAIA-D2 54 58
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 70 17
Other 27 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 32 2
One game 0n 1/1/14 ... must have been a heck of a game....
Nova Southeastern (NCAA-D2) 105 Amherst (D3) 101
Games of 1/2/14
Rowan (D3) 85 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 68
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 80 Wisconsin Lutheran (D3) 67
Eastern Nazarene (D3) 75 Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 56
St. Vincent (D3) 86 Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 56
Northwood (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 95 Goucher (D3) 64
Games of 1/3/14
Juniata (D3) 94 Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 48
Eastern Mennonite (D3) 78 Virginia-Lynchburg (USCAA) 70
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 34
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 15
NAIA-D2 54 60
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 74 17
Other 27 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 9 2
IND-D3 Provisional 33 2
Games of 1/4/14
Johns Hopkins (D3) 66 Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 57
Moravian (D3) 90 Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 64
Coe (D3) 69 Clarke (NAIA-D2) 56
Colby (D3) 92 Maine-Machias (USCAA) 61
South Dakota (NCAA-D1) 86 Iowa Wesleyan (D3) 52
IPFW (NCAA-D1) 110 Kalamazoo (D3) 74
Luther (D3) 85 Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 72
Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 65 McDaniel (D3) 62
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 64 Minnesota-Morris (D3) 55
Penn State-Abington (D3) 81 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 73
St. Lawrence (D3) 81 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 70
VMI (NCAA-D1) 128 Washington College (D3) 54
Simpson (D3) 91 AIB College of Business (NAIA-D2) 68
Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 86 Buena Vista (D3) 84
Whittier (D3) 79 UC-Merced (NAIA-D2) 67
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 37
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 15
NAIA-D2 58 62
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 76 18
Other 27 1
Ind-D3 Exploratory 10 2
IND-D3 Provisional 35 2
Games of 1/5/14
RPI (D3) 113 Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 63
Emmanuel (D3) 82 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 76
Open Bible (Other) 81 Hendrix (D3) 76
Grinnell brought in another patsy to try and set some records. I haven't seen the box score, but 164-144 makes me think the patsy was a little friskier than they anticipated.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on January 06, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
Grinnell brought in another patsy to try and set some records. I haven't seen the box score, but 164-144 makes me think the patsy was a little friskier than they anticipated.
Haven't seen the box score either but according to their twitter, Patrick Maher set a record with 37 assists.
Games of 1/6/14
Grinnell (D3) 164 College of Faith (Other) 144
Lynchburg (D3) 97 Virginia-Lynchburg (USCAA) 79
Susquehanna (D3) 78 Berkeley (N.J.) (USCAA) 64
games of 1/7/14
Eastern (D3) 74 Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 58
Auburn Montgomery (NAIA-D1) 80 Huntingdon (D3) 74
Lancaster Bible (D3) Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA)
Presentation (NAIA-D2) 56 Minnesota-Morris (D3) 53
SUNY-Maritime (D3) 75 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 67
Worcester State (D3) 72 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 70
Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 86 Drew (D3) 82
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 37
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 16
NAIA-D2 60 63
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 29 9
USCAA 80 18
Other 28 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 10 3
IND-D3 Provisional 36 2
Games of 1/8/14
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 86 Grove City (D3) 69
Morrisville State (D3) 83 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 54
Wilkes (D3) 88 Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 69
Wiley (NAIA-D1) 105 Rust (D3)
Games of 1/9/14
SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 84 Cazenovia (D3) 71
Games of 1/10/14
SUNYIT (D3) 83 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 59
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 79 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 67
Games of 1/11/14
Brown (NCAA-D1) 91 Daniel Webster (D3) 50
Eastern (D3) 73 Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 50
Iowa Wesleyan (D3) 60 Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 44
King's (D3) 87 Penn St.- Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 60
Cornell (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 77 Oberlin (D3) 55
Washington and Jefferson (D3) 81 Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 59
William Peace (D3) 91 Johnson And Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 70
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 66 UC Santa Cruz (D3) 53
Yale (NCAA-D1) 88 Baruch (D3) 49
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 40
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 17
NAIA-D2 60 64
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 30 9
USCAA 84 19
Other 28 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 3
IND-D3 Provisional 40 3
I was going through teams for my Top 25 ballot and Massey has a couple games vs NCAA-D1 for Louisiana College that aren't listed on d3hoops... I think your list caught the loss to Northwestern St on 12/14, but I don't think it caught the opening night loss to McNeese St on 11/15.
The McNeese game is an exhibition for LC according to the LC site (it didn't have a link to the box score). Massey has to put it in his data because it is a countable game for McNeese.
We (CWU) have two such games for the men (Quest and Walla Walla) and women (Quest and Evergreen). They counted it as exhibitions but we can count them in the season. (Quest is Canadian, Walla Walla and Evergreen are NAIA). To get the most complete data set Massey throws them in. Usually, that data point will wash out in the end unless something weird happens.
Games of 1/13/14
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 99 CCNY (D3) 60
Games of 1/14/14
Concordia (Ala.) (USCAA) 98 Huntingdon (D3) 82
Wells (D3) 74 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 53
Green Mountain (D3) 84 Word of Life (Other) 38
Mount St. Vincent (D3) 63 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 45
Greensboro (D3) 73 Barber Scotia (USCAA) 65
Games of 1/15/14
Averett (D3) 91 Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 81
Games of 1/16/14
Framingham State (D3) 86 Vaughn (USCAA) 72
Silver Lake (USCAA) 56 Maranatha Baptist (D3) 50
Games of 1/17/14 none
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 41
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 17
NAIA-D2 60 64
NCCAA-D1 7 2
NCCAA-D2 30 9
USCAA 86 21
Other 29 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 3
IND-D3 Provisional 42 3
Games of 1/18/14
Silver Lake (USCAA) 88 Finlandia (D3) 79
Games of 1/19/14
Coast Guard (D3) 67 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 53
Games of 1/20/14
Wheaton (Mass.) (D3) 79 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 63
Marian (D3) 76 Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 67
One game closer to NAIA D2!!!
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 41
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 17
NAIA-D2 61 64
NCCAA-D1 7 2
NCCAA-D2 31 9
USCAA 86 22
Other 29 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 3
IND-D3 Provisional 43 3
we are 61-64 vs NAIA D2 10 games left Can we go 7-3?
1/21/2014 Johnson & Wales (Colo.) H NAIA-D2 Colorado College A SCAC
1/22/2014 Ashford H NAIA-D2 UW-Stout A WIAC
1/23/2014 Fisher A NAIA-D2 Daniel Webster H NECC
1/25/2014 Concordia (Mi.) H NAIA-D2 Concordia (Ill.) A NATHC
1/28/2014 Fisher H NAIA-D2 Connecticut College A NESCAC
2/10/2014 Fisher A NAIA-D2 Trinity (Conn.) H NESCAC
2/11/2014 St. Louis Pharmacy A NAIA-D2 Principia H SLIAC
2/12/2014 Fisher H NAIA-D2 Fitchburg State A MASCAC
2/13/2014 Menlo H NAIA-D2 UC Santa Cruz A IND
2/22/2014 Clarke H NAIA-D2 Maranatha Baptist A IND
Let's consult Ken Massey's HAL 9000 supercomputer, shall we?
He has projected scores, and the percentage of likelihood that the D3 team will win, for five of the ten remaining D3 vs. NAIA-D2 contests:
Colorado College (D3) 81, Johnson & Wales CO (NAIA-D2) 68 (89% chance of Colorado C. win)
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 58, UW-Stout (D3) 56 (43% chance of UW-Stout win)
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 82, Principia (D3) 76 (28% chance of Principia win)
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 70, UC-Santa Cruz (D3) 64 (27% chance of UCSC win)
Clarke (NAIA-D2) 92, Maranatha Baptist (D3) 56, (0% chance of Maranatha Baptist win)
(It should be noted that UW-Stout and Ashford have already met this season; the Blue Devils downed Ashford, 56-41, on UW-Stout's home floor in Menominee, WI, back on November 30.)
The other five D3 vs. NAIA-D2 contests aren't listed in the Massey database, so he has no projected results for them. But he does have Daniel Webster, Connecticut College, and Trinity CT, all rated more highly than Fisher in the overall rankings; Fisher is rated above Fitchburg State. Also, Concordia MI is rated above Concordia IL by a significant margin.
It would seem, then, that Massey has the final ten games going 6-4 in favor of NAIA-D2.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
Let's consult Ken Massey's HAL 9000 supercomputer, shall we?
He has projected scores, and the percentage of likelihood that the D3 team will win, for five of the ten remaining D3 vs. NAIA-D2 contests:
Colorado College (D3) 81, Johnson & Wales CO (NAIA-D2) 68 (89% chance of Colorado C. win)
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 58, UW-Stout (D3) 56 (43% chance of UW-Stout win)
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 82, Principia (D3) 76 (28% chance of Principia win)
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 70, UC-Santa Cruz (D3) 64 (27% chance of UCSC win)
Clarke (NAIA-D2) 92, Maranatha Baptist (D3) 56, (0% chance of Maranatha Baptist win)
(It should be noted that UW-Stout and Ashford have already met this season; the Blue Devils downed Ashford, 56-41, on UW-Stout's home floor in Menominee, WI, back on November 30.)
The other five D3 vs. NAIA-D2 contests aren't listed in the Massey database, so he has no projected results for them. But he does have Daniel Webster, Connecticut College, and Trinity CT, all rated more highly than Fisher in the overall rankings; Fisher is rated above Fitchburg State. Also, Concordia MI is rated above Concordia IL by a significant margin.
It would seem, then, that Massey has the final ten games going 6-4 in favor of NAIA-D2.
On the other hand, if we're looking for a way:
Daniel Webster, Conn Coll and Trinity all beat Fisher
Colorado College gets its win
Prin lost close to Pharma before, without 15 ppg guard Larry Patterson.. they are legit chance to win
Stout is able to repeat its victory over Ashford
There is 6
the 7th?
The 7th...
Well, the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs lost by 9 to Chapman, while Chapman blew out Menlo by 24
And Fitchburg got its lone win vs Mass College while Mass College beat Fisher..
And Concordia Ill has a couple surprising wins lately..
It is possible...
To continue our coverage of the D3 vs NAIA-D2 competition, Colorado College Beats
Johnson & Wales COlorado 75-65 last night
D3 now 62-64 vs NAIA D2 with 9 games left
tonight the critical UW Stoudt vs Ashford game.. one that D3 almost has to have!!
Games of 1/21/14
Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 85 Berry (D3) 78
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 71 Dayspring Bible (Other) 59
Bowdoin (D3) 82 Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 51
North Central (Minn.) (D3) 82 Crossroads (NCCAA-D2) 60
Sage (D3) 89 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 79
Colorado College (D3) 75 Johnson & Wales (Colo.) (NAIA-D2) 65
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 41
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 17
NAIA-D2 62 64
NCCAA-D1 7 2
NCCAA-D2 32 10
USCAA 87 22
Other 30 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 3
IND-D3 Provisional 44 3
UW Stout loses to Ashford 71-69
This puts D3 at 62-65 with 8 games left... have to go 6-2.... Marantha isn't going to beat Clarke... that means D3 has to go 6-1 in rest of the games.... TOUGH....
Games of 1/22/14
Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 80 Penn State-Abington (D3) 75
Ashford (NAIA-D2) 71 UW-Stout (D3) 69
SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 83 Green Mountain (D3) 74
Games of 1/23/14
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 82 Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 76
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 74 Daniel Webster (D3) 66
Nazareth (D3) 74 Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 52
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 70 Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 62
Middlebury (D3) 115 St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 74
games of 1/24/14
Lancaster Bible (D3) 68 Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 51
Games of 1/25/14
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 68 Concordia (Wis.) (D3) 64
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 80 Concordia (Ill.) (D3) 74
D3 can no longer finish over .500 vs NAIA-D2
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 41
NCAA-D2 2 28
NAIA-D1 10 17
NAIA-D2 62 68
NCCAA-D1 7 2
NCCAA-D2 33 10
USCAA 89 23
Other 30 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 4
IND-D3 Provisional 46 3
Games played from 1/26/14 through 2/13/14
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 84 Kean (D3) 54
Bryn Athyn (Ind-D3 Exploratory) 69 Cairn (D3) 55
Johnson State (D3) 64 Vermont Tech (USCAA) 55
Connecticut College (D3) 68 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 58
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 70 Pratt (Other) 25
Bates (D3) 78 Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 53
Lehman (D3) 94 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 49
SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 92 Johnson State (D3) 87
William Peace (D3) 98 Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 58
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 97 Vaughn (USCAA) 82
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 103 Dayspring Bible (Other) 54
Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 68 Finlandia (D3) 63
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 71 Albany Pharmacy (Other) 53
Victory (NCCAA-D1) 82 Huntingdon (D3) 69
Tougaloo (NAIA-D1) 84 Rust (D3) 78
Morrisville State (D3) 76 SUNY-Canton (Ind-D3 Provisional) 70
Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 70 Sewanee (D3) 67
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 92 Sarah Lawrence (IND-D3 Provisional) 75
New Jersey Tech (NCAA-D1) 110 Wheelock (D3) 46
CCNY (D3) 70 Vaughn (USCAA) 67
Maranatha Baptist (D3) 75 Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 73
St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (D3) 87 Culinary Institute (Other) 61
Silver Lake (USCAA) 88 Finlandia (D3) 81
Merchant Marine (D3) 70 Vaughn (USCAA) 64
New Jersey City (D3) 73 Valley Forge Christian (Ind-D3 Provisional) 57
Trinity (Conn.) (D3) 69 Fisher (NAIA-D2) 55
Colby (D3) 101 Maine-Presque Isle (USCAA) 66
Northland (D3) 61 Northland International (NCCAA-D2) 59
Principia (D3) 77 St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D2) 56
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 94 Fitchburg State (D3) 82
Finlandia (D3) 80 Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 79
Lemoyne-Owen (NCAA-D2) 63 Rust (D3) 62
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 76 UC Santa Cruz (D3) 48
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 43
NCAA-D2 2 29
NAIA-D1 10 18
NAIA-D2 65 70
NCCAA-D1 8 3
NCCAA-D2 36 12
USCAA 95 24
Other 34 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 5
IND-D3 Provisional 50 4
I just realized that I dropped the ball on completing scores in the final 3 weeks of the season... kind of late for that, but for documentation purposes, here are final records vs non d3... Regular season... results in NCCAA or USCAA tourneys not included:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 43
NCAA-D2 2 29
NAIA-D1 10 19
NAIA-D2 65 71
NCCAA-D1 8 3
NCCAA-D2 41 14
USCAA 96 24
Other 37 2
Ind-D3 Exploratory 11 5
IND-D3 Provisional 51 4
Thanks, hopefan!
I guess no one is manning this board this year, but I wanted to note we've got four! d3-d1 games this evening:
Newbury is playing Yale
FDU-Florham is playing Farleigh Dickinson
Eureka is playing Eastern Illinois
Cal Lutheran is playing Pepperdine
We already had Goucher getting killed by Howard and Catholic losing to Davidson.
Six games in three days is pretty good. I'm not sure any of these teams has a chance to win, but you wouldn't be super shocked if Yale or Pepperdine lost to d3 teams, would you?
Youngstown State 71 Oberlin 53
clearly Oberlin suffered a post win over Wittenberg hangover.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 17, 2014, 01:25:26 PM
Cal Lutheran is playing Pepperdine
Pepperdine 76 CLU 61
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?id=400599887
OxyBob
Good news for those that have enjoyed following this page in the past... I am keeping my spreadsheet this year so will be documenting detailed D3 results vs everyone else on this page throughout the season... Feel welcome to comment during the season if I have a certain school in a wrong Association... the schools change memberships at times, I might not be totally up to date...I'm planning on counting Nebraska Wesleyan as NAIA, as they are playing a complete NAIA conference schedule... the same with Berea.....Those seem to be the only 'outliers' among schools also belonging to D3. Feel free to comment, I can change my thinking.
I just came across what has to be the toughest (given the assumption that low level D1 schools are still tougher than high level D3 schools) D3 nonconference schedule in the country:
Check out Louisiana College... a member of the ASC, they play 5 non conference games... 3 of them are against NCAA D1 teams, McNeese State, Northwestern State (La.), and Nicholls State, and their other 2 nonconference games are against NAIA-D1 LSU-Alexandria, who went 23-4 last year. And for a little additional spice, they play an exhibition game against D1 Louisiana-Lafayette!! AND they do this under new head coach Reni Mason, replacing Gene Rushing who had been at LC for the previous 29 years.... Tough introduction for Coach Mason....
Quote from: hopefan on August 17, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
Good news for those that have enjoyed following this page in the past... I am keeping my spreadsheet this year so will be documenting detailed D3 results vs everyone else on this page throughout the season
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Quote from: hopefan on August 17, 2015, 08:37:30 AM
I just came across what has to be the toughest (given the assumption that low level D1 schools are still tougher than high level D3 schools) D3 nonconference schedule in the country:
Check out Louisiana College... a member of the ASC, they play 5 non conference games... 3 of them are against NCAA D1 teams, McNeese State, Northwestern State (La.), and Nicholls State, and their other 2 nonconference games are against NAIA-D1 LSU-Alexandria, who went 23-4 last year. And for a little additional spice, they play an exhibition game against D1 Louisiana-Lafayette!! AND they do this under new head coach Reni Mason, replacing Gene Rushing who had been at LC for the previous 29 years.... Tough introduction for Coach Mason....
Sure, but right now he's the campus hero as far as the Louisiana College administration is concerned:
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hopefan,
Glad to hear you'll be manning the helm of this board once again. Nobody does it (or did it) better!!. 8-)
Quote from: hopefan on August 17, 2015, 08:37:30 AM
I just came across what has to be the toughest (given the assumption that low level D1 schools are still tougher than high level D3 schools) D3 nonconference schedule in the country:
Check out Louisiana College... a member of the ASC, they play 5 non conference games... 3 of them are against NCAA D1 teams, McNeese State, Northwestern State (La.), and Nicholls State, and their other 2 nonconference games are against NAIA-D1 LSU-Alexandria, who went 23-4 last year. And for a little additional spice, they play an exhibition game against D1 Louisiana-Lafayette!! AND they do this under new head coach Reni Mason, replacing Gene Rushing who had been at LC for the previous 29 years.... Tough introduction for Coach Mason....
I have not put the pencil to it but with the exception of Centenary LA, they may be the closest opponents to Pineville.
ok... here we go for 2015-2016..
NOTE, Exhibition games are not included as they are not a part of the D3 team's record..
Note, if non D3 teams have recently changed affiliation, I may have missed it... let me know, and if I can verify, I'll make the correction...
Winning teams are printed First Non D3 team is identified by their affiliation
Independent Provisional D3 teams are considered Non D3 because they play mostly non D3 teams... to include them as D3 teams would skew the D3 w-l records..
Games of Nov. 13, 2015:
Simpson (Calif.) (NAIA-D2) 77, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 72
Adrian 105, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 76
Lewis and Clark 94, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 64
Lycoming 97, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 75
Sage 84, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 72
Trinity Int'l (NAIA-D2) 111, Olivet 92
St. Mary's (Minn.) 83, Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 66
Penn St. Scranton (USCAA) 83, Penn College 72
Methodist 84, St. Andrews (NCAA-D2)
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 0
NCAA-D2 1 0
NAIA-D1 0 0
NAIA-D2 0 2
NCCAA-D1 0 0
NCCAA-D2 1 0
USCAA 2 1
Other 0 0
IND-D3 Provisional 2 0
I thought the exhibitions on or after the first night DID count for the d3 team's record. Did that change? I know there were a number of d3-d1 matchups last night.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 14, 2015, 12:40:22 PM
I thought the exhibitions on or after the first night DID count for the d3 team's record. Did that change? I know there were a number of d3-d1 matchups last night.
Hoops, yes, that did change... D3 teams get 2 exhibitions, and they may be In-Season... I had pointed out to the guys that some schools were showing 26 games in season without identifying an exhibition, but for the most part, that has been corrected. D3hoops schedules from last night properly do not include these exhibition games....
Games of 11/14
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 67, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 60
Iowa Wesleyan 96, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 89
Linfield 71, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 58
Lehman 99, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 58
D'Youville 93, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 77
Trinity Christian (NAIA-D2) 77, Olivet 65
Concordia (Texas) 114, Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 105
West Chester (NCAA-D2) 94, Gwynedd Mercy 93
Marywood 93, Penn St. Scranton (USCAA) 78
Liberty (NCAA-D1) 90, Summit 52
Anderson 100, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 77
Spalding (SLIAC) 85, Berea 82
Stony Brook (NCAA-D1) 103, Merchant Marine 32
Alvernia 88, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 73
Grinnell 125, Silver Lake (USCAA) 90
Winona St. (NCAA-D2) 92, Wisconsin Lutheran 62
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 107, Newbury 75
Southern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 96, Willamette 84
Eastern Mennonite 84, Virginia-Lynchburg (Other) 78
Bethany 100, Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 67
Oglethorpe 123, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 99
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 74, Whittier 70
Loyola (Chi.) (NCAA-D1) 84, Eureka 51
Fontbonne 84, Morthland (NCCAA-D1) 73
Point Park (NAIA-D2) 91, Buffalo State 89
North Central (Minn.) 86, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 81
UNC Greensboro (NCAA-D1) 86, Greensboro 69
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 74, UW-Stout 51
YTD D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 3
NAIA-D1 1 0
NAIA-D2 0 7
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 3 0
USCAA 9 2
Other 1 0
IND-D3 Provisional 5 0
Games of 11/15/15
St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D1) 94, Sul Ross State 61
Nebraska Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 109, Buena Vista 104
Grinnell 102, Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 75
Cal Merced (NAIA-D2) 86, Whittier 78
High Point (NCAA-D1) 93, North Carolina Wesleyan 69
William Peace 90, St. Andrews (NAIA-D2) 87
YTD D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 5
NCAA-D2 1 3
NAIA-D1 1 1
NAIA-D2 1 9
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 4 0
USCAA 9 2
Other 1 0
IND-D3 Provisional 5 0
Wow... 1-9 vs NAIA D2... a poor start to what has been a pretty close competition in the past.....
Quote from: hopefan on November 15, 2015, 12:21:01 PM
Games of 11/14
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 67, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 60
Iowa Wesleyan 96, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 89
Linfield 71, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 58
Lehman 99, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 58
D'Youville 93, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 77
Trinity Christian (NAIA-D2) 77, Olivet 65
Concordia (Texas) 114, Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 105
West Chester (NCAA-D2) 94, Gwynedd Mercy 93
Marywood 93, Penn St. Scranton (USCAA) 78
Liberty (NCAA-D1) 90, Summit 52
Anderson 100, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 77
Spalding (SLIAC) 85, Berea 82
Stony Brook (NCAA-D1) 103, Merchant Marine 32
Alvernia 88, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 73
Grinnell 125, Silver Lake (USCAA) 90
Winona St. (NCAA-D2) 92, Wisconsin Lutheran 62
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 107, Newbury 75
Southern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 96, Willamette 84
Eastern Mennonite 84, Virginia-Lynchburg (Other) 78
Bethany 100, Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 67
Oglethorpe 123, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 99
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 74, Whittier 70
Loyola (Chi.) (NCAA-D1) 84, Eureka 51
Fontbonne 84, Morthland (NCCAA-D1) 73
Point Park (NAIA-D2) 91, Buffalo State 89
North Central (Minn.) 86, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 81
UNC Greensboro (NCAA-D1) 86, Greensboro 69
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 74, UW-Stout 51
YTD D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 3
NAIA-D1 1 0
NAIA-D2 0 7
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 3 0
USCAA 9 2
Other 1 0
IND-D3 Provisional 5 0
hopefan,
I spotted the "Other" connotation next to bolded Virgina-Lynchburg and see that the "Other" category is 1-0 but where did you place bolded Berea? There was no affiliation next to their name, I thought it was Other but they are USCAA or could be a Independant-D3Provisional, maybe? I'm guessing by the count from Friday to Saturday that you put them in Ind-D3Provisional and just didn't mark them in the score section.
And you're right NAIA II is killing us. Must be the matchups. Hope it evens out.
Magic... yes Berea is Ind D3 provisional catagory... But your question pointed out a question as to why that affiliation didn't print and SLIAC did print next to Spalding (it shouldn't have)... macros, you gotta love 'em, until you find a glitch... corrected now... ;D
Good, my question helped you find a glitch. I hate those damn glitches...they're worse than gremlins, because they hide themselves so much better. :D
Thanks again for doing this, hopefan. You rock!
Games of 11/16/15:
Longwood (NCAA-D1) 89, La Roche 65
IPFW (NCAA-D1) 85, Manchester 53
Simpson 87, Graceland (NAIA-D1) 69
Maine-Presque Isle 83, New England Baptist (Other) 29
Fairleigh Dickinson (NCAA-D1) 111, FDU-Florham 70
King's 85, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 44
Akron (NCAA-D1) 100, Hiram 30
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 102, Puget Sound 88
YTD D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 9
NCAA-D2 0 3
NAIA-D1 2 1
NAIA-D2 2 10
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 4 0
USCAA 10 2
Other 2 0
IND-D3 Provisional 5 0
UMPI 83 NE Bap 29 Given UMPI's history, how bad must NE Baptist be? :o :o
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2015, 08:19:49 AM
UMPI 83 NE Bap 29 Given UMPI's history, how bad must NE Baptist be?
From their website:
"New England Baptist College is an independent, fundamental, local church-centered Baptist college. It stands without apology for separation from worldliness, conservative Christ-honoring music, and the exclusive use of the King James Bible."
They also require two hours of door-to-door evangelism each week for every student. This does not make recruiting efforts super easy. Also, the lack of accreditation hurts.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 17, 2015, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2015, 08:19:49 AM
UMPI 83 NE Bap 29 Given UMPI's history, how bad must NE Baptist be?
From their website:
"New England Baptist College is an independent, fundamental, local church-centered Baptist college. It stands without apology for separation from worldliness, conservative Christ-honoring music, and the exclusive use of the King James Bible."
They also require two hours of door-to-door evangelism each week for every student. This does not make recruiting efforts super easy. Also, the lack of accreditation hurts.
Now wait, I can see it now...
All over New England....The doorbell rings... "Sit down and read The Good Book with me, and, does anybody in the household play basketball?" ::) ::)
I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I have a feeling athletics aren't very high on NE Baptists priorities list.
Quote from: 7express on November 17, 2015, 02:27:27 PM
I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I have a feeling athletics aren't very high on NE Baptists priorities list.
I tried searching and I get a pretty solid number of 'loses to JV team'.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 17, 2015, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: hopefan on August 17, 2015, 08:37:30 AM
I just came across what has to be the toughest (given the assumption that low level D1 schools are still tougher than high level D3 schools) D3 nonconference schedule in the country:
Check out Louisiana College... a member of the ASC, they play 5 non conference games... 3 of them are against NCAA D1 teams, McNeese State, Northwestern State (La.), and Nicholls State, and their other 2 nonconference games are against NAIA-D1 LSU-Alexandria, who went 23-4 last year. And for a little additional spice, they play an exhibition game against D1 Louisiana-Lafayette!! AND they do this under new head coach Reni Mason, replacing Gene Rushing who had been at LC for the previous 29 years.... Tough introduction for Coach Mason....
Sure, but right now he's the campus hero as far as the Louisiana College administration is concerned:
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Postgame speech (https://www.facebook.com/wildcatsmedia/videos/10153712910862866/?permPage=1)
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LC junior guard Dylan Brewer hits a go-ahead 3-pointer with 22 seconds left to put LC ahead 71-68 against McNeese on Tuesday night in Lake Charles
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Games of 11/17/15:
Pitt-Bradford 87, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 75
Abilene Christian (NCAA-D1) 70, Howard Payne 56
Louisiana College 73, McNeese State (NCAA-D1) 70
Gordon 80, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 77
Northeastern (NCAA-D1) 91, Wentworth 62
Marywood 82, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 61
Bluffton 85, OSU Lima (Other) 47
Delaware Valley 90, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 63
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 90, Concordia-Moorhead 82
Miami (Ohio) (NCAA-D1) 68, Kenyon 47
Wabash 75, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 57
Pacific 92, New Hope Christian (NCCAA-D1) 54
Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 70, Chatham 64
St. Francis (Pa.) (NCAA-D1) 103, Westminster (Pa.) 72
Chapman 102, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 66
Occidental 68, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 50
St. Francis (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 93, Mount St. Vincent 67
McKendree (NCAA-D2) 90, Blackburn 88
Eureka 100, Emmaus (other) 75
Minnesota-Morris 82, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 64
North Carolina Wesleyan 127, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 59
YTD D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 13
NCAA-D2 0 6
NAIA-D1 2 1
NAIA-D2 4 10
NCCAA-D1 2 0
NCCAA-D2 6 0
USCAA 13 3
Other 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 7 0
A win vs D1 !!! Louisiana College over McNeese
AND we make up a little ground vs NAIA D2
Games of 11/18/15
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 74, Maine-Presque Isle 58
Bryant (NCAA-D1) 82, Emerson 69
Mount Union 118, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 91
UMSL (NCAA-D2) 77, Fontbonne 59
YTD D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 1 14
NCAA-D2 0 7
NAIA-D1 2 1
NAIA-D2 4 10
NCCAA-D1 2 0
NCCAA-D2 6 0
USCAA 14 4
Other 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 7 0
Games of 11/19/15
Wooster 89, Silver Lake (USCAA) 48
Wells 79, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 74
Randolph 85, Christendom (USCAA) 46
Cal Lutheran 89, Bristol (USCAA) 62
YTD D3 versus...
W L
NCAA-D1 1 14
NCAA-D2 0 7
NAIA-D1 2 1
NAIA-D2 4 10
NCCAA-D1 2 0
NCCAA-D2 6 0
USCAA 17 4
Other 4 0
IND-D3 Provisional 8 0
Games of 11/20/15
St. Edward's (NCAA-D2) 70, McMurry 57
Angelo State (NCAA-D2) 108, Schreiner 65
Buffalo State 100, Villa Maria (other) 91
Illinois College 77, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 70
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 67, Hanover 50
Puget Sound 103, New Hope Christian (NCCAA-D1) 65
Sewanee 78, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 63
St. John's 83, St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 80
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 79, St. Scholastica 62
Susquehanna 97, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 73
King's 97, Davis (Other) 47
Wartburg 103, Emmaus (other) 46
LSU-Alexandria (NAIA-D1) 70, Louisiana College 56
Howard (NCAA-D1) 106, Medgar Evers 64
Hillsdale Free Will (NCCAA-D2) 93, Valley Forge 79
Bard 75, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 58
Grand Valley (NCAA-D2) 105, Olivet 57
Menlo (NAIA-D2) 101, Pacific 97
Rhodes 94, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 70
Sewanee 78, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 63
Occidental 77, Cal Miramar (Other) 64
Sarah Lawrence 92, Pratt (USCAA) 38
Davenport (NAIA-D2) 85, UW-Whitewater 74
YTD D3 versus...
W L
NCAA-D1 1 15
NCAA-D2 1 10
NAIA-D1 2 2
NAIA-D2 4 14
NCCAA-D1 3 0
NCCAA-D2 9 0
USCAA 19 4
Other 9 0
IND-D3 Provisional 9 0
D3 get 1st win this season vs NCAA D2... St John's beats St. Cloud State !!!!!
Just cleaning through some housekeeping items earlier in the week I'm pretty sure Abilene Christian is NCAA division 1. I know they were last year unless they dropped back down.
Quote from: 7express on November 22, 2015, 11:40:33 AM
Just cleaning through some housekeeping items earlier in the week I'm pretty sure Abilene Christian is NCAA division 1. I know they were last year unless they dropped back down.
You are right... thanks!.. will correct standings on posting of 11/21 games
Games of 11/21/15
Bluffton 87, Villa Maria (other) 65
MacMurray 88, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 83
Albion 86, Berea (Ind-D3 Provisional) 84
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 87, Otterbein 74
Pacific Lutheran 100, New Hope Christian (NCCAA-D1) 67
Capital 84, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 81
Thomas 63, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 57
Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 71, Coe 68
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 98, UW-Superior 73
UW-River Falls 81, Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 79
UW-Stout 88, Emmaus (other) 51
Texas College (NAIA-D1) 83, LeTourneau 81
University of the Ozarks 93, Central Christian (NAIA-D2) 60
Marywood 65, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 63
Anderson 104, Wilberforce (NAIA-D2) 79
Indiana-Northwest (NAIA-D2) 94, Manchester 84
Oberlin 71, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 62
Valley Forge 80, Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 60
Whitworth 84, Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 54
Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 89, Washington and Jefferson 83
Northern Illinois (NCAA-D1) 100, Eureka 52
Principia 71, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 58
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 92, LaGrange 87
Piedmont 87, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 75
Davenport (NAIA-D2) 73, UW-Platteville 61
YTD D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 17
NCAA-D2 2 9
NAIA-D1 2 3
NAIA-D2 7 19
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 11 1
USCAA 21 5
Other 11 0
IND-D3 Provisional 12 0
Games of 11/22/15
Bates 86, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 65
U.S. Naval Academy (NCAA-D1) 76, Goucher 47
Games of 11/23/15
University of the Ozarks 84, Welch (NCCAA-D2) 83
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 85, Sul Ross State 64
Webber International (NAIA-D2) 97, Franklin 95
Cal Lutheran 89, Cal Miramar (Other) 69
Iowa Wesleyan 88, Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 87
YTD D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 18
NCAA-D2 3 9
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 7 20
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 12 1
USCAA 22 5
Other 12 0
IND-D3 Provisional 12 0
Games of 11/24/15
D'Youville 80, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 73
Lubbock Christian (NCAA-D2) 78, Sul Ross State 56
Houghton 94, Villa Maria (other) 70
Anderson 88, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 80
Eckerd (NCAA-D2) 82, Franklin 67
Wright State (NCAA-D1) 66, Mount St. Joseph 52
Maine-Presque Isle 80, Central Maine CC (Other) 68
Hood 85, Penn State York (USCAA) 56
Manhattanville 68, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 48
Adrian 76, Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 62
Penn St. Mont alto (USCAA) 95, Wilson 71
Umass Lowell (NCAA-D1) 104, Wheelock 76
Emerson 76, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 68
Pacific Lutheran 130, Northwest Indian College (Other) 52
James Madison (NCAA-D1) 106, Eastern Mennonite 74
Grove City 76, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 75
Regis (Col.) (NCAA-D2) 72, Colorado College 66
Hawaii Pacific (NCAA-D2) 82, Chapman 66
Occidental 82, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 49
Greenville 138, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 89
Presentation (NAIA-D2) 100, Minnesota-Morris 67
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 98, Northland 56
LaGrange 103, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 80
UW-La Crosse 71, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 47
D3 YTD vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 21
NCAA-D2 3 14
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 10 21
NCCAA-D1 6 0
NCCAA-D2 14 1
USCAA 24 6
Other 15 0
IND-D3 Provisional 15 0
Games of 11/25
Northwestern State (La.) (NCAA-D1) 86, Louisiana College 80
Texas College (NAIA-D1) 101, Rust 92
Towson (NCAA-D1) 88, Gallaudet 45
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 97, George Fox 83
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 69, Thiel 55
Eastern Kentucky (NCAA-D1) 101, Thomas More 67
Centre 80, Berea (Ind-D3 Provisional) 66
YTD D3 vs
W L
NCAA-D1 1 25
NCAA-D2 3 14
NAIA-D1 2 5
NAIA-D2 10 22
NCCAA-D1 6 0
NCCAA-D2 14 1
USCAA 24 6
Other 15 0
IND-D3 Provisional 16 0
Louisiana College hanging in there against the D-1 state schools. Beat McNeese outright, only lost by 6 to Northwestern State.
Games of 11/27
Bluefield 75 (NAIA-D2), Methodist 54
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 65, Bristol (USCAA) 63
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 103, Calvin 72
Hope 95, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 61
Mass-Boston 74, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 70
Trinity (Conn.) 90, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 51
Nebraska Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 101, Dubuque 88
Texas Permian Basin (NCAA-D2) 102, Sul Ross State 82
YTD D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 25
NCAA-D2 3 15
NAIA-D1 2 5
NAIA-D2 11 25
NCCAA-D1 6 0
NCCAA-D2 14 1
USCAA 27 6
Other 15 0
IND-D3 Provisional 16 0
So, officially, Nebraska Wesleyan is NAIA II? Some controversy over in the fantasy league page about their eligibility as a DIII member. On their website, one of their players won the Association of DIII independents award.
http://www.nwusports.com/news/2015/11/17/MBB_1117150552.aspx
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2015, 08:57:16 AM
So, officially, Nebraska Wesleyan is NAIA II? Some controversy over in the fantasy league page about their eligibility as a DIII member. On their website, one of their players won the Association of DIII independents award.
http://www.nwusports.com/news/2015/11/17/MBB_1117150552.aspx
I'm not sure of the formality... but when I checked their schedule, they play only 4 D3 games, and a full conference slate of NAIA games, so I put them in as NAIA d2... I see they're not listed on D3hoops West region page either....
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2015, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2015, 08:57:16 AM
So, officially, Nebraska Wesleyan is NAIA II? Some controversy over in the fantasy league page about their eligibility as a DIII member. On their website, one of their players won the Association of DIII independents award.
http://www.nwusports.com/news/2015/11/17/MBB_1117150552.aspx
I'm not sure of the formality... but when I checked their schedule, they play only 4 D3 games, and a full conference slate of NAIA games, so I put them in as NAIA d2... I see they're not listed on D3hoops West region page either....
Nebraska Wesleyan is (and has been for a long time) a dual member of both the NAIA and NCAA. Next year they will be joining the Iowa Conference in d3, so there should be less controversy, but they are a d3 member.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 28, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2015, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2015, 08:57:16 AM
So, officially, Nebraska Wesleyan is NAIA II? Some controversy over in the fantasy league page about their eligibility as a DIII member. On their website, one of their players won the Association of DIII independents award.
http://www.nwusports.com/news/2015/11/17/MBB_1117150552.aspx
I'm not sure of the formality... but when I checked their schedule, they play only 4 D3 games, and a full conference slate of NAIA games, so I put them in as NAIA d2... I see they're not listed on D3hoops West region page either....
Nebraska Wesleyan is (and has been for a long time) a dual member of both the NAIA and NCAA. Next year they will be joining the Iowa Conference in d3, so there should be less controversy, but they are a d3 member.
I don't see how there's any controversy as they play under the more restrictive rules of D3.
Quote from: AO on November 28, 2015, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on November 28, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2015, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2015, 08:57:16 AM
So, officially, Nebraska Wesleyan is NAIA II? Some controversy over in the fantasy league page about their eligibility as a DIII member. On their website, one of their players won the Association of DIII independents award.
http://www.nwusports.com/news/2015/11/17/MBB_1117150552.aspx
I'm not sure of the formality... but when I checked their schedule, they play only 4 D3 games, and a full conference slate of NAIA games, so I put them in as NAIA d2... I see they're not listed on D3hoops West region page either....
Nebraska Wesleyan is (and has been for a long time) a dual member of both the NAIA and NCAA. Next year they will be joining the Iowa Conference in d3, so there should be less controversy, but they are a d3 member.
I don't see how there's any controversy as they play under the more restrictive rules of D3.
Agreed. And they do have some very worthy D3 history. In 1997, IWU beat Neb Wes in a close battle in the title game in Salem. They have at least a few other deep runs in the D3 tourney. Due to geography, they joined an NAIA conference, but they have never totally abandoned D3, and will return almost entirely next season.
I understand all that. But do their results count as D3 in terms of the NCAA tourney process?
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2015, 03:50:45 AM
I understand all that. But do their results count as D3 in terms of the NCAA tourney process?
They are listed on NCAA.org as a member of NCAA D3 Men's basketball
http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec2/sponsorship
Games of 11/28/15
Neumann 85, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 68
Cumberland (NAIA-D1) 69, Methodist 55
Pomona-Pitzer 92, Bristol (USCAA) 72
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 87, Calvin 7
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 73, Hope 67
Nebraska Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 107, Central 102
Roanoke 126, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 86
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 81, Southern Virginia 73
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 83, Staten Island 59
Wartburg 74, Governors State (NAIA-D2) 71
Cornell 71, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 60
Lake Forest 92, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 68
Davidson (NCAA-D1) 83, Denison 70
La Salle (NCAA-D1) 81, Rowan 51
Corban (NAIA-D2) 75, Willamette 74
BYU-Hawaii (NCAA-D2) 98, Chapman 82
Stony Brook (NCAA-D1) 91, Farmingdale State 42
YTD D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 29
NCAA-D2 3 16
NAIA-D1 2 6
NAIA-D2 12 29
NCCAA-D1 6 0
NCCAA-D2 14 1
USCAA 30 7
Other 15 0
IND-D3 Provisional 18 0
Games of 11/29
Goucher 94, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 59
Berea (Ind-D3 Provisional) 87, Wilmington 85
Wilmington is first D3 loss to Independent D3 Provisional team
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2015, 09:39:27 PM
Agreed. And they do have some very worthy D3 history. In 1997, IWU beat Neb Wes in a close battle in the title game in Salem. They have at least a few other deep runs in the D3 tourney.
NebWes made the Final Four three times in a four-year period in the '80s, finishing third in the nation in '85, '86, and '88. North Park beat NebWes in one of the '85 semifinals, so I got to see one of those Plainsmen teams; NWU forward Dana Janssen, an All-American, was a phenomenal player. Here's a
Sports Illustrated article about those Plainsmen teams. (http://www.si.com/vault/1988/11/16/118879/plain-good-division-iii-nebraska-wesleyan-rolls-on)
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2015, 03:50:45 AM
I understand all that. But do their results count as D3 in terms of the NCAA tourney process?
Results against them count as d3 wins, as far as I know. They often declare for the NAIA tourney, but I don't think that invalidates their status, it just prevents them from being included in Pool C.
Results of 11/30/15
LSU-Alexandria (NAIA-D1) 100, Louisiana College 84
Centenary (N.J.) 81, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 52
Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 62, Maine-Presque Isle 61
Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 70, Morrisville State 50
Wabash 80, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 31
YTD D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 29
NCAA-D2 3 16
NAIA-D1 2 7
NAIA-D2 12 29
NCCAA-D1 6 0
NCCAA-D2 15 1
USCAA 32 8
Other 15 0
IND-D3 Provisional 18 2
Results of 12/1/15
Nicholls State (NCAA-D1) 80, Louisiana College 62
University of the Ozarks 120, Crowley's Ridge (NCCAA-D1) 60
Rust NA, Texas College (NAIA-D1) NA This one could be tough to find... I emailed Rust... we'll see
Carthage 87, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 77
Wright State (NCAA-D1) 68, Albion 50
Crown 111, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 91
UW-Oshkosh 93, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 78
YTD D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 31
NCAA-D2 3 16
NAIA-D1 2 7
NAIA-D2 13 29
NCCAA-D1 7 0
NCCAA-D2 16 1
USCAA 32 8
Other 15 0
IND-D3 Provisional 19 2
BONUS!!!!
D3 vs D3only
1 UAA 33 11 0.750
2 MIAC 27 13 0.675
3 LEC 28 15 0.651
4 NESCAC 31 17 0.646
5 CCIW 21 12 0.636
6 Landmark 27 16 0.628
7 Newmac 27 16 0.628
8 NCAC 25 15 0.625
9 OAC 28 18 0.609
10 CAC 27 18 0.600
11 WIAC 21 14 0.600
12 SCIAC 15 10 0.600
13 USAC 25 17 0.595
14 MACC 26 18 0.591
15 MIAA 14 10 0.583
16 E8 26 19 0.578
17 ODAC 30 22 0.577
18 SUNY 23 17 0.575
19 NWC 18 14 0.563
20 NACC 15 13 0.536
21 Independents 16 14 0.533
22 CC 17 15 0.531
23 IIAC 18 16 0.529
24 MWC 12 11 0.522
25 CCC 25 23 0.521
26 ASC 16 15 0.516
27 NJAC 20 19 0.513
28 LL 21 20 0.512
29 MACF 21 20 0.512
30 SCAC 19 21 0.475
31 GNAC 19 23 0.452
32 CUNY 18 24 0.429
33 AMCC 15 21 0.417
34 NAC 15 23 0.395
35 Mascac 16 28 0.364
36 SAA 11 22 0.333
37 CSAC 12 25 0.324
38 HCAC 9 19 0.321
39 Sky 11 24 0.314
40 NECC 10 31 0.244
41 UMAC 8 25 0.242
42 PrAC 8 30 0.211
43 NEAC 10 38 0.208
44 SLIAC 6 28 0.176
Great work, especially on the bonus!
Quote from: John Gleich on December 02, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
Great work, especially on the bonus!
aaaahhh, but it hurts that I have to show my beloved SLIAC at No. 44 out of 44... ;D ;D
If we have any south central reps that read this page, or just plain basketball detectives who want a challenge, I challenge you to find a Rust - Texas College score from 12/1 (note, they played once already at Texas College, on 11/25... though D3hoops doesn't have that game posted... Texas College won 101-92)... according to both schools, they were to play again at Rust on 12/1....my email has gone unanswered and I can't find anyone in either basketball office over the phone....the score is not on either site, or NCAA.com, or NAIA.org, or D3hoops... ???
It was a neutral-court game in Area 51. :)
Quote from: ronk on December 02, 2015, 02:04:18 PM
It was a neutral-court game in Area 51. :)
The next stop.... The twilight zone
I know it's tough for SCIAC teams to find non-conference opponents, but I smiled when I saw Occidental's score updates against something called Future College.
Their mascot is the Orange Owlz, spelled that way. It looks like their academic offerings focus on sports management, sports therapy, etc. Yet when you try to click on the athletics link off the home page, it's a dead link.
Guess they'll add that in the future.
Three things I love about Rust College, even though it's tough to find their scores.
1 - Years ago when I went looking for Rust scores, I would visit their athletics page just for fun. Not because it had scores, but because it had a MIDI file with Eye of the Tiger played on a 1980s synthesizer that started every time you load the page.
2 - They play Tougaloo College, which you can't say without smiling. Go ahead. Try it. I hope their mascot is the Electric Boogaloo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin%27_2:_Electric_Boogaloo).
3 - They prominently feature all the awards they've received from D3hoops.com over the years and there's been a handful of Regional All-Stars. I gather that they have some good players but not a lot of staff resources.
Note to Pat: Invite Rust to the D3hoops.com Classic in Vegas next year and have them play Future College!
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2015, 11:16:57 PM
I know it's tough for SCIAC teams to find non-conference opponents, but I smiled when I saw Occidental's score updates against something called Future College.
Their mascot is the Orange Owlz, spelled that way. It looks like their academic offerings focus on sports management, sports therapy, etc. Yet when you try to click on the athletics link off the home page, it's a dead link.
Guess they'll add that in the future.
I had a similar experience going to a school's website where the athletic records had not been updated since 2012 - probably tells you all you need to know about their competitiveness! :P
And who in their right mind would go to "Future College"? Don't you want a college, like, now?! ::)
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
Three things I love about Rust College, even though it's tough to find their scores.
1 - Years ago when I went looking for Rust scores, I would visit their athletics page just for fun. Not because it had scores, but because it had a MIDI file with Eye of the Tiger played on a 1980s synthesizer that started every time you load the page.
2 - They play Tougaloo College, which you can't say without smiling. Go ahead. Try it. I hope their mascot is the Electric Boogaloo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin%27_2:_Electric_Boogaloo).
3 - They prominently feature all the awards they've received from D3hoops.com over the years and there's been a handful of Regional All-Stars. I gather that they have some good players but not a lot of staff resources.
Note to Pat: Invite Rust to the D3hoops.com Classic in Vegas next year and have them play Future College!
We used to have a regular poster from there, and I got the impression he was an asst. coach, not just a fan (though I may be wrong on that). I wonder if we will see him again.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2015, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
Three things I love about Rust College, even though it's tough to find their scores.
1 - Years ago when I went looking for Rust scores, I would visit their athletics page just for fun. Not because it had scores, but because it had a MIDI file with Eye of the Tiger played on a 1980s synthesizer that started every time you load the page.
2 - They play Tougaloo College, which you can't say without smiling. Go ahead. Try it. I hope their mascot is the Electric Boogaloo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin%27_2:_Electric_Boogaloo).
3 - They prominently feature all the awards they've received from D3hoops.com over the years and there's been a handful of Regional All-Stars. I gather that they have some good players but not a lot of staff resources.
Note to Pat: Invite Rust to the D3hoops.com Classic in Vegas next year and have them play Future College!
We used to have a regular poster from there, and I got the impression he was an asst. coach, not just a fan (though I may be wrong on that). I wonder if we will see him again.
Yes that fellow is gone... he posted under the moniker 'Rust College' and took some serious grief here for his avid support of Rust players for all American status... I actually met him several times as Rust plays Webster regularly (Webster Coach Chris Bunch had coached at Maryville, Tenn, where he had built a relationship with Rust)... Can't remember the fellow's name, but he was men's assistant, then got the Women's head coaching job, lasted 2 years, then was gone...
Rust plays solid Men's basketball... the rest of their athletic department is pretty much a shambles... that's why the SAA or SCAC would never be able to consider taking them in....
Games of 12/2/15
Roberts Wesleyan (NCAA-D2) 59, Hobart 58
Indiana Southeast (NAIA-D2) 105, Transylvania 95
Dubuque 84, Clarke (NAIA-D2) 77
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 99, Luther 87
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 75, Simpson 67
Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 77, Penn College 71
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 77, San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 76
Occidental 101, Future College (Other) 60
Minnesota-Morris 80, Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 74
Averett 91, Johnson and Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 73
Maryville (Tenn.) 110, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 105
North Carolina Wesleyan 91, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 53
YTD D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 31
NCAA-D2 3 17
NAIA-D1 3 7
NAIA-D2 15 32
NCCAA-D1 7 0
NCCAA-D2 17 1
USCAA 34 8
Other 16 0
IND-D3 Provisional 19 3
Quote from: hopefan on December 03, 2015, 07:35:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2015, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on December 02, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
Three things I love about Rust College, even though it's tough to find their scores.
1 - Years ago when I went looking for Rust scores, I would visit their athletics page just for fun. Not because it had scores, but because it had a MIDI file with Eye of the Tiger played on a 1980s synthesizer that started every time you load the page.
2 - They play Tougaloo College, which you can't say without smiling. Go ahead. Try it. I hope their mascot is the Electric Boogaloo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakin%27_2:_Electric_Boogaloo).
3 - They prominently feature all the awards they've received from D3hoops.com over the years and there's been a handful of Regional All-Stars. I gather that they have some good players but not a lot of staff resources.
Note to Pat: Invite Rust to the D3hoops.com Classic in Vegas next year and have them play Future College!
We used to have a regular poster from there, and I got the impression he was an asst. coach, not just a fan (though I may be wrong on that). I wonder if we will see him again.
Yes that fellow is gone... he posted under the moniker 'Rust College' and took some serious grief here for his avid support of Rust players for all American status... I actually met him several times as Rust plays Webster regularly (Webster Coach Chris Bunch had coached at Maryville, Tenn, where he had built a relationship with Rust)... Can't remember the fellow's name, but he was men's assistant, then got the Women's head coaching job, lasted 2 years, then was gone...
Rust plays solid Men's basketball... the rest of their athletic department is pretty much a shambles... that's why the SAA or SCAC would never be able to consider taking them in....
Ato Green. He was a useful source. Bummed he's not there anymore. :(
Games of 12/3
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 70, SUNY-Cobleskill 64
Whittier 111, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 79
Games of 12/4
Greensboro 84, Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 70
North Carolina Wesleyan 110, Maryland Bible (Other) 53
Pomona-Pitzer 84, Antelope Valley (Other) 78
Redlands 78, Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 65
Roberts Wesleyan (NCAA-D2) 85, Geneseo State 82
Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 93, Maranatha Baptist 67
Games of 12/5
Coast Guard 92, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 91
Greensboro 60, Maryland Bible (Other) 44
North Carolina Wesleyan 92, Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 68
Norwich 83, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 74
Pomona-Pitzer 77, Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 72
Antelope Valley (Other) 84, Redlands 72
Roberts Wesleyan (NCAA-D2) 79, Rochester 77
North Park 81, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 69
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 77, Luther 76
Maranatha Baptist 83, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 75
LaGrange 103, Auburn Montgomery (NAIA-D1) 85
St. Augustine's (NCAA-D2) 90, William Peace 70
YTD D3 vs
W L
NCAA-D1 1 31
NCAA-D2 3 20
NAIA-D1 4 7
NAIA-D2 16 33
NCCAA-D1 11 0
NCCAA-D2 19 2
USCAA 35 9
Other 19 1
IND-D3 Provisional 20 3
And let's see D3 vs non conference D3:
1 UAA 38 14 0.731
2 NESCAC 40 19 0.678
3 LEC 31 16 0.660
4 MIAC 27 14 0.659
5 Landmark 27 16 0.628
6 NCAC 25 15 0.625
7 SCIAC 16 10 0.615
8 CCIW 28 18 0.609
9 OAC 28 18 0.609
10 USAC 30 20 0.600
11 SUNY 27 18 0.600
12 Newmac 31 21 0.596
13 CAC 29 20 0.592
14 MACC 26 18 0.591
15 MIAA 20 14 0.588
16 NWC 18 14 0.563
17 NACC 15 12 0.556
18 ODAC 31 25 0.554
19 IIAC 21 17 0.553
20 WIAC 23 20 0.535
21 CC 17 15 0.531
22 CCC 25 23 0.521
23 NJAC 20 19 0.513
24 ASC 21 20 0.512
25 MACF 21 20 0.512
26 E8 28 28 0.500
27 LL 27 27 0.500
28 Independents 19 19 0.500
29 MWC 12 12 0.500
30 SCAC 21 22 0.488
31 CUNY 21 25 0.457
32 GNAC 20 24 0.455
33 AMCC 15 22 0.405
34 NAC 15 25 0.375
35 Mascac 20 34 0.370
36 SAA 14 25 0.359
37 CSAC 12 25 0.324
38 HCAC 10 21 0.323
39 Sky 11 25 0.306
40 NECC 12 32 0.273
41 UMAC 9 26 0.257
42 PAC 8 30 0.211
43 NEAC 10 39 0.204
44 SLIAC 6 28 0.176
Games of 12/6/15
Connecticut College 85, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 83
Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 85, Rivier 79
SUNY-Canton 74, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 36
Quick comment... when I look at the D3 vs D3 nonconference, the biggest surprise to me is the dismal record the HCAC is sporting, at 10-21.... I used to think of the HCAC (mostly Indiana schools) as an upper-middle level conference... certainly higher than the MWC, the NACC, and the SLIAC, and similar to the MIAA, OAC, and NCAC.... I'm not sure what recent years show us, but this season, they're far behind all that I mentioned with the exception of the SLIAC... With Indiana's rich hoops tradition, it's disappointing that the conference's D3hoops has fallen to this level...
Quote from: hopefan on December 07, 2015, 05:40:17 AM
Quick comment... when I look at the D3 vs D3 nonconference, the biggest surprise to me is the dismal record the HCAC is sporting, at 10-21.... I used to think of the HCAC (mostly Indiana schools) as an upper-middle level conference... certainly higher than the MWC, the NACC, and the SLIAC, and similar to the MIAA, OAC, and NCAC.... I'm not sure what recent years show us, but this season, they're far behind all that I mentioned with the exception of the SLIAC... With Indiana's rich hoops tradition, it's disappointing that the conference's D3hoops has fallen to this level...
No one here would love to see the HCAC do better than me. 10-21 is certainly better than the football record (4-13 this year I believe might be the best of the past several years).
It seems like there's usually one team that has a decent season (somewhere around 24-4) followed by a first round loss, a couple others who are in contention to win the conference tournament (maybe around 20-8 or 19-9), a few average teams (14-12 to 12-14), and a few dreadful teams (6 or fewer wins). Last year did have a bright spot when Defiance knocked off Whitewater in the first round of the tournament... although that's one of the non-Indiana schools.
Quote from: hopefan on December 07, 2015, 05:40:17 AM
Quick comment... when I look at the D3 vs D3 non-conference, the biggest surprise to me is the dismal record the HCAC is sporting, at 10-21.... I used to think of the HCAC (mostly Indiana schools) as an upper-middle level conference... certainly higher than the MWC, the NACC, and the SLIAC, and similar to the MIAA, OAC, and NCAC.... I'm not sure what recent years show us, but this season, they're far behind all that I mentioned with the exception of the SLIAC... With Indiana's rich hoops tradition, it's disappointing that the conference's D3hoops has fallen to this level...
The NAIA Crossroads Conference made up of 8 Indiana schools, 1 from Michigan, 1 from Ohio is annually probably the best in NAIA II. Throw in a number of other NAIA's a healthy group of D2's and the state's University system of D1's and its a pretty crowded state.
Oh, and Valpo, Butler and Evansville, which are private D-1s. (And Notre Dame, but that's rather a national D-1 school in recruiting - Valpo, Butler and Evansville work the state somewhat).
The HCAC always has a couple of stinkers - Earlham for one can't catch a break it seems.
Games of 12/7
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 82, Daniel Webster 74
Puget Sound 91, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 56
Games of 12/8:
Coe 95, Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 82
New Hampshire (NCAA-D1) 100, Worcester State 66
Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 92, Calvin 88
Pacific 75, Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 60
Pacific Lutheran 68, Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 61
Colorado College 81, Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 58
Chapman 77, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 72
Missouri S&T (NCAA-D2) 104, Blackburn 91
We go 4-0 vs NAIA-D2, narrowing the magin
YTD D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 32
NCAA-D2 3 21
NAIA-D1 4 7
NAIA-D2 22 33
NCCAA-D1 11 0
NCCAA-D2 21 3
USCAA 35 11
Other 20 1
IND-D3 Provisional 20 3
Did we ever get that Rust - Texas College score?
Woo hoo thanks for reminding me... it is now up on the Texas College site, and Rust WON 88-81, after being defeated at Texas College on the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving 101-92
Games of 12/9/15:
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 77, Fitchburg State 70
Kalamazoo 70, Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 64
Thomas 91, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 83
Keuka 95, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 64
Lewis and Clark NA, Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) NA Postponed... Landslide closed major road!!
Whitman 101, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 65
Emory and Henry 97, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 80
Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 59, Cal Lutheran 56
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 98, North Carolina Wesleyan 73
UW-Eau Claire 66, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 62
Games of 12/10/15:
Sul Ross State 100, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 96
Colgate (NCAA-D1) 90, Utica 68
Houghton 84, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 83
Central 72, Grand View (NAIA-D1) 70
Maine-Presque Isle 89, Unity (USCAA) 69
Games of 12/11/15:
Eastern Mennonite 74, Virginia-Lynchburg (Other) 59
Juniata 71, Penn State York (USCAA) 61
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 84, King's 77
Moravian 88, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 64
Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 80, Knox 63
Albion 75, Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 74
Lakeland 89, Silver Lake (USCAA) 59
Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 93, Pacific Lutheran 83
Chapman 85, Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 61
Whittier 89, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 65
Piedmont 71, Johnson (Fla.) (NCCAA-D2) 61
Bethany Lutheran 84, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 83
Games of 12/12/15:
Virginia-Lynchburg (Other) 53, Bridgewater (Va.) 51
Carnegie Mellon 90, Penn State York (USCAA) 51
Susquehanna 90, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 61
RPI 95, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 37
Buena Vista 95, Northwestern (Iowa) (NAIA-D2) 80
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 85, Wartburg 75
Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 79, Maranatha Baptist 74
Alfred State 88, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 69
Gallaudet 81, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 52
Indiana Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 94, Olivet 59
Trine 78, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 52
Kutztown (NCAA-D2) 115, Penn State-Berks 75
Austin 85, Bacone (NAIA-D1) 72
Cal State San Bernadino (NCAA-D2) 72, Pomona-Pitzer 63
YTD D3 Vs
W L
NCAA-D1 1 34
NCAA-D2 3 23
NAIA-D1 7 7
NAIA-D2 27 37
NCCAA-D1 12 1
NCCAA-D2 27 4
USCAA 44 12
Other 21 2
IND-D3 Provisional 22 4
Games of 12/13/15
Massachusetts College 77, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 65
Elon (NCAA-D1) 106, Wesley 77
Coe 89, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 85
Games of 12/14
Angelo State (NCAA-D2) 115, McMurry 68
Johnson and Wales 104, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 75
Purdue-North Central (NAIA-D2) 77, Maranatha Baptist 53
Austin 106, Paul Quinn (NAIA-D1) 84
Greensboro 75, Johnson and Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 68
Games of 12/15/2015
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 99, Geneva 58
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 113, Southwestern 99
St. Scholastica 62, Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 60
Games of 12/16/15
Sul Ross State 83, Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 75
Nova Southeastern (NCAA-D2) 81, Eastern 70
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 102, Mitchell 63
Occidental 80, Bristol (USCAA) 68
Quote from: hopefan on December 06, 2015, 06:14:37 AM
And let's see D3 vs non conference D3:
1 UAA 38 14 0.731
2 NESCAC 40 19 0.678
3 LEC 31 16 0.660
4 MIAC 27 14 0.659
5 Landmark 27 16 0.628
6 NCAC 25 15 0.625
7 SCIAC 16 10 0.615
8 CCIW 28 18 0.609
9 OAC 28 18 0.609
10 USAC 30 20 0.600
11 SUNY 27 18 0.600
12 Newmac 31 21 0.596
13 CAC 29 20 0.592
14 MACC 26 18 0.591
15 MIAA 20 14 0.588
16 NWC 18 14 0.563
17 NACC 15 12 0.556
18 ODAC 31 25 0.554
19 IIAC 21 17 0.553
20 WIAC 23 20 0.535
21 CC 17 15 0.531
22 CCC 25 23 0.521
23 NJAC 20 19 0.513
24 ASC 21 20 0.512
25 MACF 21 20 0.512
26 E8 28 28 0.500
27 LL 27 27 0.500
28 Independents 19 19 0.500
29 MWC 12 12 0.500
30 SCAC 21 22 0.488
31 CUNY 21 25 0.457
32 GNAC 20 24 0.455
33 AMCC 15 22 0.405
34 NAC 15 25 0.375
35 Mascac 20 34 0.370
36 SAA 14 25 0.359
37 CSAC 12 25 0.324
38 HCAC 10 21 0.323
39 Sky 11 25 0.306
40 NECC 12 32 0.273
41 UMAC 9 26 0.257
42 PAC 8 30 0.211
43 NEAC 10 39 0.204
44 SLIAC 6 28 0.176
Can you update this when you get a chance.
Will update D3 vs D3 after weekend games... ;)
^^ Thanks.
Games of 12/17
Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 83, Rose-Hulman 78 ..... ugh!!!
Linfield 106, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 41
Emory and Henry 113, Montreat (NAIA-D2) 73
Averett 90, Virginia-Wise (NCAA-D2) 83 ............ YIPPEE!!!
So the NCAA has great sortable stats this year, including a report of every school's record against teams in other NCAA divisions and non-NCAA schools
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
If you select men's basketball, d3, misc reports, and non-conference, you'll see what's there. Lots of good stuff on that site now.
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2015, 11:34:35 AM
Games of 12/17
Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 83, Rose-Hulman 78 ..... ugh!!!
Linfield 106, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 41
Emory and Henry 113, Montreat (NAIA-D2) 73
Averett 90, Virginia-Wise (NCAA-D2) 83 ............ YIPPEE!!!
Averett is doing pretty well this season so far: 8-2 overall, 5-2 vs ODAC teams with the two losses to probably the two best ODAC teams, Va. Wesleyan and Lynchburg. Averett might be a team to watch.
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2015, 11:34:35 AM
Games of 12/17
Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 83, Rose-Hulman 78 ..... ugh!!!
Linfield 106, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 41
Emory and Henry 113, Montreat (NAIA-D2) 73
Averett 90, Virginia-Wise (NCAA-D2) 83 ............ YIPPEE!!!
Genuinely curious, is there a Virginia-Unwise?
Quote from: sac on December 18, 2015, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2015, 11:34:35 AM
Games of 12/17
Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 83, Rose-Hulman 78 ..... ugh!!!
Linfield 106, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 41
Emory and Henry 113, Montreat (NAIA-D2) 73
Averett 90, Virginia-Wise (NCAA-D2) 83 ............ YIPPEE!!!
Genuinely curious, is there a Virginia-Unwise?
Would that be Virginia Intermont?
Games of 12/18
Berea (Ind-D3 Provisional) 76, Belhaven 63
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 103, McMurry 91
William And Mary (NCAA-D1) 94, Mary Washington 64
Bluffton 98, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 55
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 80, Minnesota-Morris 75
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2015, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: sac on December 18, 2015, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2015, 11:34:35 AM
Games of 12/17
Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 83, Rose-Hulman 78 ..... ugh!!!
Linfield 106, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 41
Emory and Henry 113, Montreat (NAIA-D2) 73
Averett 90, Virginia-Wise (NCAA-D2) 83 ............ YIPPEE!!!
Genuinely curious, is there a Virginia-Unwise?
Would that be Virginia Intermont?
you win! :)
UVA - Wise is part of the University of Virginia in Wise, VA. It has nothing to do with VI.
Well, at least SAC appreciates my humor... ::) ::)
Scores of 12/19
Birmingham-Southern 86, Berea (Ind-D3 Provisional) 73
Webster 71, Trinity Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 63
Pennsylvania (NCAA-D1) 73, Ursinus 66
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 69, Wartburg 60
Colgate (NCAA-D1) 90, Keuka 40
San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 88, Pomona-Pitzer 75
Southern Indiana (NCAA-D2) 84, Spalding 55
Presbyterian (NCAA-D1) 69, Piedmont 65
UW-River Falls 89, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 82
Scores of 12/20
Webster 60, Ave Maria (NAIA-D2) 47
Western Oregon (NCAA-D2) 85, Willamette 50
YTD D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 40
NCAA-D2 4 26
NAIA-D1 8 10
NAIA-D2 31 40
NCCAA-D1 12 1
NCCAA-D2 30 4
USCAA 47 12
Other 21 2
IND-D3 Provisional 24 6
D3 vs D3only
NESCAC 58 22 0.725
UAA 45 19 0.703
MIAC 32 15 0.681
NCAC 28 15 0.651
CCIW 46 26 0.639
OAC 30 18 0.625
SUNY 35 22 0.614
USAC 42 27 0.609
LEC 37 25 0.597
Landmark 34 23 0.596
SCIAC 19 13 0.594
CAC 32 22 0.593
NWC 26 18 0.591
Newmac 40 28 0.588
MACF 32 24 0.571
NJAC 26 20 0.565
NACC 19 15 0.559
ODAC 41 33 0.554
CCC 30 25 0.545
SCAC 33 28 0.541
MACC 31 27 0.534
WIAC 32 28 0.533
CC 24 21 0.533
IIAC 28 25 0.528
ASC 23 22 0.511
MIAA 27 26 0.509
MWC 17 18 0.486
E8 32 34 0.485
LL 31 35 0.470
CUNY 23 27 0.460
GNAC 24 32 0.429
Independents 23 34 0.404
Mascac 26 40 0.394
AMCC 16 27 0.372
HCAC 13 25 0.342
NAC 16 32 0.333
NECC 19 39 0.328
SAA 19 40 0.322
CSAC 15 35 0.300
Sky 11 27 0.289
UMAC 12 32 0.273
PrAC 11 34 0.244
NEAC 16 50 0.242
SLIAC 9 35 0.205
^^ Thanks.
Games of 12/21/15
Olivet 80, Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 74
Texas St. (NCAA-D1) 92, Howard Payne 43
Chapman 80, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70
Games of 12/22/15
Hope 98, Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 83
Cornell 68, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 62
Hartford (NCAA-D1) 69, Widener 46
Games of 12/28/15
Boston University (NCAA-D1) 86, Kean 53
High Point (NCAA-D1) 96, Methodist 50
Games of 12/29/15
Dubuque 67, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 51
Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 78, Simpson 74
Chapman 77, Bristol (USCAA) 55
Lamar (NCAA-D1) 97, Howard Payne 74
Pacific 100, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 48
Corban (NAIA-D2) 74, Linfield 71
Concordia (Cal.) (NAIA-D1) 73, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 59
Pomona-Pitzer 87, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 76
Games of 12/30/15
Dubuque 85, Mount Mercy (NAIA-D2) 72
Simpson 78, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 72
Whittier 94, Bristol (USCAA) 66
Alcorn (NCAA-D1) 81, Louisiana College 69
North Central (Ill.) 69, Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 65
Adrian 76, Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA-D2) 58
Mount Vernon Nazarene (NAIA-D2) 96, Kenyon 76
VMI (NCAA-D1) 72, Bridgewater (Va.) 37
Edinboro (NCAA-D2) 78, Thiel 72
Austin Peay (NCAA-D1) 112, Westminster (Mo.) 61
YTD D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 1 48
NCAA-D2 4 28
NAIA-D1 9 11
NAIA-D2 35 44
NCCAA-D1 13 1
NCCAA-D2 33 4
USCAA 50 12
Other 21 2
IND-D3 Provisional 27 6
D3 vs D3only
1 NESCAC 69 27 0.719
2 UAA 51 21 0.708
3 MIAC 35 17 0.673
4 NCAC 38 19 0.667
5 CCIW 55 30 0.647
6 Landmark 42 23 0.646
7 OAC 38 22 0.633
8 NWC 36 21 0.632
9 SUNY 39 24 0.619
10 USAC 48 31 0.608
11 WIAC 46 32 0.590
12 Newmac 43 30 0.589
13 ODAC 52 38 0.578
14 CAC 38 28 0.576
15 MACF 36 27 0.571
16 LEC 39 30 0.565
17 SCAC 42 33 0.560
18 NJAC 29 24 0.547
19 MACC 37 32 0.536
20 MIAA 35 31 0.530
21 IIAC 35 32 0.522
22 NACC 24 22 0.522
23 CC 28 27 0.509
24 E8 36 37 0.493
25 CCC 30 31 0.492
26 MWC 22 24 0.478
27 SCIAC 21 23 0.477
28 CUNY 28 33 0.459
29 LL 33 39 0.458
30 ASC 26 31 0.456
31 GNAC 24 34 0.414
32 Independents 28 40 0.412
33 Mascac 30 43 0.411
34 NECC 20 40 0.333
35 NAC 16 32 0.333
36 SAA 24 50 0.324
37 HCAC 18 38 0.321
38 AMCC 16 34 0.320
39 CSAC 17 39 0.304
40 Sky 13 33 0.283
41 UMAC 13 36 0.265
42 PrAC 16 45 0.262
43 SLIAC 11 36 0.234
44 NEAC 16 54 0.229
Games of 12/31/15
University of the Ozarks 102, Champion Baptist (Other) 55
Maine-Presque Isle 74, Villa Maria (other) 68
Missouri S&T (NCAA-D2) 97, Principia 70
Not many of these games remaining as conference action gets into full swing this week....
Games of 1/2
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 93, DeSales 89
Chicago 85, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 65
Purdue-Calumet (NAIA-D2) 54, Olivet 52
Kent State (NCAA-D1) 104, Oberlin 58
Lewis and Clark 88, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 49
Games of 1/3 16
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 83, Stockton 76
St. Joseph's (Ind.) (NCAA-D2) 101, Kalamazoo 86
Truman State (NCAA-D2) 103, Iowa Wesleyan 64
North Carolina Wesleyan 104, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 54
Games of 1/4/16
Delaware State (NCAA-D1) 93, Summit 44
Campbellsville (NAIA-D1) 84, Wilmington 64
Sewanee 65, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 50
Games of 1/6... there were no games on 1/5
Aurora 79, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 68
Keuka 67, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 58
Minnesota Duluth (NCAA-D2) 89, UW-Superior 63
Games of 1/8... no games on 1/7
Yale (NCAA-D1) 94, Daniel Webster 53
Rust at Fisk, Saturday night 1/9... any inside information? ;D ;D ;D Finding that score may take some phone calls!!! Maybe I need to go down to Holly Springs, Ms to see the rematch at Rust...
Games of 1/9/16:
Maranatha Baptist 89, Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 86
Rust NA, Fisk (NAIA-D1) NA
UC Santa Cruz 90, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 82
Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 89, SUNYIT 71
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 69, Hobart 64
King's 87, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 59
Misericordia 82, Mansfield State (NCAA-D2) 67
Cazenovia 83, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 60
Brown (NCAA-D1) 69, Daniel Webster 43
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fisk.edu%2Ffiles%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F1447189014_Glover_mbball.jpg&hash=d5ba2883bf0bc9c928a2bda93f0b6ae2367a4929)
The Fisk coach frowns on your shenanigans...
Fisk 91, Rust 72 based on info from the AII website:
http://www.aiisports.com/sport/0/6.php
Go to the recent events tab.
Quote from: smedindy on January 11, 2016, 03:03:19 PM
Fisk 91, Rust 72 based on info from the AII website:
http://www.aiisports.com/sport/0/6.php
Go to the recent events tab.
Great job Smeds +1
Games of 1/11/16
Cazenovia 94, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 85
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 84, Wheaton (Mass.) 73
Winthrop (NCAA-D1) 81, Ferrum 63
University of the Ozarks 114, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 83
Games of 1/12/16
University of Dallas 88, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 79
Maryville (Tenn.) 99, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 67
Piedmont 90, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 69
Games of 1/13
Hilbert 81, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 61
Games of 1/14/16
Pine Manor 118, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 54
Maranatha Baptist 77, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 61
Games of 1/15/16
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 78, Maine-Presque Isle 57
Northland 82, Silver Lake (USCAA) 54
Games of 1/16/16
Dartmouth (NCAA-D1) 121, Pine Manor 56
Tougaloo (NAIA-D1) 89, Rust 71
Villa Maria (other) 87, SUNY-Canton 86
LaGrange 90, Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 52
Games of 1/17/16
Villa Maria (other) 73, Maine-Presque Isle 71
Linfield 81, New Hope Christian (NCCAA-D1) 59
Games of 1/18
Cairn 81, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 72
Pine Manor 101, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 72
Oberlin 81, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 61
Nebraska Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 85, Westminster (Mo.) 72
Presentation (NAIA-D2) 84, Minnesota-Morris 81
Games of 1/19
Silver Lake (USCAA) 66, Maranatha Baptist 62
Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 88, UC Santa Cruz 82
Colorado College 88, Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 75
North Central (Minn.) 91, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 63
Games of 1/20
SUNY-Canton 87, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 77
Games of 1/21
Texas-Tyler 82, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 67
Maine-Presque Isle 70, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 66
Games of 1/23
Maine-Presque Isle 72, Southern Maine CC (Other) 64
Alfred State 98, Davis (Other) 62
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 99, Massachusetts College 85
Games of 1/24
Maine-Presque Isle 78, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 54
SUNY-Canton 80, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 51
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 100, Bryn Athyn 44
Games of 1/25
University of the Ozarks 94, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 78
University of Dallas 76, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 74
When you get a chance, hopefan, can you update the D3-vs.-everybody-else standings?
(Please don't do this on your smartphone while you're driving from one remote SLIAC gym to another. ;))
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
When you get a chance, hopefan, can you update the D3-vs.-everybody-else standings?
(Please don't do this on your smartphone while you're driving from one remote SLIAC gym to another. ;))
Will get to it tomorrow.... Before I take off for Greenville... ;D
Games of 1/26
Lancaster Bible 100, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 75
Green Mountain 95, Albany Pharmacy (Other) 74
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 86, Martin Luther 55
Piedmont 93, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 91
YTD D3 vs :
W L
NCAA-D1 1 55
NCAA-D2 5 32
NAIA-D1 9 14
NAIA-D2 36 52
NCCAA-D1 15 1
NCCAA-D2 44 4
USCAA 58 16
Other 28 4
IND-D3 Provisional 37 7
D3 vs D3 Non Conference..... remember, I include the 4 Independent D3 provisionals as non D3 so as not to skew the results here
1 NESCAC 95 34 0.736
2 UAA 59 25 0.702
3 MIAC 35 17 0.673
4 NCAC 40 20 0.667
5 CCIW 55 30 0.647
6 Landmark 43 25 0.632
7 NWC 36 21 0.632
8 SUNY 41 24 0.631
9 USAC 54 35 0.607
10 OAC 38 25 0.603
11 ODAC 59 40 0.596
12 WIAC 46 32 0.590
13 CAC 38 28 0.576
14 Newmac 46 34 0.575
15 SCAC 43 33 0.566
16 LEC 46 36 0.561
17 MACF 43 35 0.551
18 NACC 26 22 0.542
19 MIAA 36 31 0.537
20 MACC 41 36 0.532
21 NJAC 34 30 0.531
22 IIAC 35 32 0.522
23 CC 34 33 0.507
24 E8 37 39 0.487
25 MWC 22 24 0.478
26 SCIAC 22 24 0.478
27 ASC 47 54 0.465
28 CCC 31 37 0.456
29 CUNY 34 41 0.453
30 LL 33 40 0.452
31 Mascac 36 48 0.429
32 GNAC 27 37 0.422
33 Independents 34 55 0.382
34 SAA 30 51 0.370
35 AMCC 19 38 0.333
36 HCAC 18 38 0.321
37 UMAC 18 38 0.321
38 NECC 22 47 0.319
39 NAC 20 43 0.317
40 Sky 14 34 0.292
41 CSAC 17 43 0.283
42 PrAC 16 45 0.262
43 SLIAC 11 36 0.234
44 NEAC 16 57 0.219
Quote from: hopefan on January 27, 2016, 06:47:12 AM
W L
NCAA-D1 1 55
NCAA-D2 5 32
Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?
It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.
Quote from: John Gleich on January 27, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 27, 2016, 06:47:12 AM
W L
NCAA-D1 1 55
NCAA-D2 5 32
Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?
It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.
I think that a D-1 match is more likely to be a "money game".
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2016, 10:02:58 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on January 27, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 27, 2016, 06:47:12 AM
W L
NCAA-D1 1 55
NCAA-D2 5 32
Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?
It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.
I think that a D-1 match is more likely to be a "money game".
So, that explains why it might be more attractive to a D-III team. But it would also be more attractive to a D-II team as well. And, seemingly, the competition would be "better" (on average, from the D-I perspective) when playing a D-II team rather than a D-III team.
Maybe the D-I's are just looking for W's... but do those W's come at a cost? Perhaps they don't properly prepare for the remainder of a D-I schedule?
question for hopefan, D1 related. Are you counting those 1/2 real game, 1/2 exhibition games against the D1's such as Alma at Central Michigan?
I think something changed in the D1 formula where games out of division don't hurt them as much as they used to. Consequently they are more willing to play D2 and D3 opponents.
The games that are counted against D1 are those that count in the D3 teams record, that are a part of their 25 allowable games. I check on the D3 teams schedules to see if they are listed as exhibitions.. (Exhibitions are now allowed in season - opening night and beyond - necessitating the check)... Exhibitions are not a part of teams' records, either in my listings, or in D3hoops.com... D3hoops has done a good job in maintaining that identity and proper records....
NAIA-D2 36 52
Historically this has been a really close match-up, but in recent years NAIA II is getting a greater and greater upper hand. I have to believe the schedule focus on D3 schools is forcing many of the stronger D3's to forego their NAIA games, thus the D3 v NAIA II record is swinging into the NAIA II's favor.
Quote from: sac on January 27, 2016, 01:06:14 PM
question for hopefan, D1 related. Are you counting those 1/2 real game, 1/2 exhibition games against the D1's such as Alma at Central Michigan?
I think something changed in the D1 formula where games out of division don't hurt them as much as they used to. Consequently they are more willing to play D2 and D3 opponents.
What has changed is actually on the Division III side... it used to be that you had to play a non-counting game against a D1 (or any team) prior to the start of the season (Nov. 15 normally; Nov. 13 this year). However, there was confusion in how it was written and some schools were playing games after Nov. 15.
Long story short, they cleared it up and said ANY game against D1 or other division team can count as an exhibition/scrimmage/etc. game any time of the season (pre-season through end of season) as long as you don't go over your allotment of those games allowed. You can also count the game if you want, but that falls inside the 25-game limit.
Several schools this year have taken advantage of that "any time" rule like Roanoke who won against D1 NCA&T earlier this year. It counted as a real game for the D1 team, but it was an exhibition for Roanoke - anther wrinkle in all of this: can count for D1 but can be an exhibition for D3.
Side note for comparison. When you take into account all of the exceptions and such to the schedules, basketball teams can end up playing 40 games total in a year if they take advantage of everything. They are the extreme height in NCAA Division III. The extreme low is field hockey where they could only play a max of four more than their schedule, meaning 24 total. THAT has become a major talking point when it comes to schedules and such - exceptions and allotments outside of the regular season.
I'm aware of the D3 change Dave, but on the D1 side you were massacred in the tournament selections if you played even 1 game out of division. That isn't happening anymore. Consequently D1's are more willing to step outside their division.
True.. but I don't think that is a change in terms of rules as much as just a change in mentality. They also allowed more games to be played in the regular season to probably offset some of that (not to mention things like "last ten games" et al).
semantics ::)
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Quote from: sac on January 27, 2016, 01:06:14 PM
question for hopefan, D1 related. Are you counting those 1/2 real game, 1/2 exhibition games against the D1's such as Alma at Central Michigan?
I think something changed in the D1 formula where games out of division don't hurt them as much as they used to. Consequently they are more willing to play D2 and D3 opponents.
What has changed is actually on the Division III side... it used to be that you had to play a non-counting game against a D1 (or any team) prior to the start of the season (Nov. 15 normally; Nov. 13 this year). However, there was confusion in how it was written and some schools were playing games after Nov. 15.
Long story short, they cleared it up and said ANY game against D1 or other division team can count as an exhibition/scrimmage/etc. game any time of the season (pre-season through end of season) as long as you don't go over your allotment of those games allowed. You can also count the game if you want, but that falls inside the 25-game limit.
Several schools this year have taken advantage of that "any time" rule like Roanoke who won against D1 NCA&T earlier this year. It counted as a real game for the D1 team, but it was an exhibition for Roanoke - anther wrinkle in all of this: can count for D1 but can be an exhibition for D3.
Side note for comparison. When you take into account all of the exceptions and such to the schedules, basketball teams can end up playing 40 games total in a year if they take advantage of everything. They are the extreme height in NCAA Division III. The extreme low is field hockey where they could only play a max of four more than their schedule, meaning 24 total. THAT has become a major talking point when it comes to schedules and such - exceptions and allotments outside of the regular season.
Why not just go to max 25 games against D3 opponents, 2 games outside of the division, and no exhibitions? Seems silly to not count Roanoke's win when NC A&T was not treating it as an exhibition.
Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
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W L
NCAA-D1 1 55
NCAA-D2 5 32
Does anyone else find it strange that we've played 56 games against D-I competition and 37 games against D-II competition?
It would seem more likely (to me) that we'd play D-II much more frequently than D-I.
I think that a D-1 match is more likely to be a "money game".
So, that explains why it might be more attractive to a D-III team. But it would also be more attractive to a D-II team as well. And, seemingly, the competition would be "better" (on average, from the D-I perspective) when playing a D-II team rather than a D-III team.
Maybe the D-I's are just looking for W's... but do those W's come at a cost? Perhaps they don't properly prepare for the remainder of a D-I schedule?
Lot of the lower level D1 teams in the South play the local D3 schools as money games, before they become road warriors themselves for money games.
And for some reason the Ivy likes to play an NCAC school or two every year.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 03:09:30 PM
Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
It's not just D3 vs. D1. Games against NAIA schools can be exhibitions for them - same with games against Canadian non-NCAA schools.
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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 03:09:30 PM
Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
It's not just D3 vs. D1. Games against NAIA schools can be exhibitions for them - same with games against Canadian non-NCAA schools.
Canadian games in Division III I think are handled completely differently. I believe they are under the international allowance which is only once every three year. That is a different topic altogether.
And yes, there are other example, but I was trying to keep it simple.
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Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
It's not just D3 vs. D1. Games against NAIA schools can be exhibitions for them - same with games against Canadian non-NCAA schools.
Canadian games in Division III I think are handled completely differently. I believe they are under the international allowance which is only once every three year. That is a different topic altogether.
And yes, there are other example, but I was trying to keep it simple.
It's not Canadian schools in general, only the pre-season international trips. Teams go to Canada when they can't afford to go anywhere else. I'm pretty sure in-season games against Canadian teams are handled like any other non NCAA contest.
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Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
It's not just D3 vs. D1. Games against NAIA schools can be exhibitions for them - same with games against Canadian non-NCAA schools.
Canadian games in Division III I think are handled completely differently. I believe they are under the international allowance which is only once every three year. That is a different topic altogether.
And yes, there are other example, but I was trying to keep it simple.
It's not Canadian schools in general, only the pre-season international trips. Teams go to Canada when they can't afford to go anywhere else. I'm pretty sure in-season games against Canadian teams are handled like any other non NCAA contest.
This is an off the cuff response without doing research, but I don't think a game against Canadian schools is ever counted as one of 25 allowable, with stats being real, result a part of win-loss etc... if that's correct, games vs Canadian schools would always be exhibitions... If someone can pull something out of NCAA manuals to prove me right or wrong.. great!!!
It does remind me of an amusing story of 'old-time basketball' ..my Junior year at RPI, 1969-70, we took a 4 game swing to Canada.. we were a fair college division team at the time (D3 did not yet exist) and one of the teams we played was Carlton (of Canada, not Minnesota) who at the time, was the No 1 team in Canada... we beat them, and quickly laid claim to having RPI rated as the number one team in Canada... needless to say, we got a kick out of faux rating!!!! We agreed to forfeit the claim when we crossed the border back into the US... when another highlight occurred.. the customs guy at the crossing quizzed our driver, who was our SID, "Are you all Americans?".. to which he accurately replied.. "No, we're not quite that good..." BA DA BOOM...
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Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
It's not just D3 vs. D1. Games against NAIA schools can be exhibitions for them - same with games against Canadian non-NCAA schools.
Canadian games in Division III I think are handled completely differently. I believe they are under the international allowance which is only once every three year. That is a different topic altogether.
And yes, there are other example, but I was trying to keep it simple.
It's not Canadian schools in general, only the pre-season international trips. Teams go to Canada when they can't afford to go anywhere else. I'm pretty sure in-season games against Canadian teams are handled like any other non NCAA contest.
This is an off the cuff response without doing research, but I don't think a game against Canadian schools is ever counted as one of 25 allowable, with stats being real, result a part of win-loss etc... if that's correct, games vs Canadian schools would always be exhibitions... If someone can pull something out of NCAA manuals to prove me right or wrong.. great!!!
It does remind me of an amusing story of 'old-time basketball' ..my Junior year at RPI, 1969-70, we took a 4 game swing to Canada.. we were a fair college division team at the time (D3 did not yet exist) and one of the teams we played was Carlton (of Canada, not Minnesota) who at the time, was the No 1 team in Canada... we beat them, and quickly laid claim to having RPI rated as the number one team in Canada... needless to say, we got a kick out of faux rating!!!! We agreed to forfeit the claim when we crossed the border back into the US... when another highlight occurred.. the customs guy at the crossing quizzed our driver, who was our SID, "Are you all Americans?".. to which he accurately replied.. "No, we're not quite that good..." BA DA BOOM...
The Canadian discussion might be better tackled by the hockey people. I'm sure that it happens much more frequently on the ice than the hardwood.
There may be differences in how they're treated... but not necessarily.
Games of 1/27
Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 81, Franciscan (Ohio) 71
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 75, UC Santa Cruz 64
Sarah Lawrence 79, Cooper Union (Other) 35
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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 27, 2016, 03:09:30 PM
Because as allotments and exemptions have been added, there hasn't been a rule to tie them all together. That may be coming in Division III, but not sure how it will entail (at the convention there was overwhelming non-support for making exemptions universal across all sports). It gives coaches options and flexibility mainly. Now a coach can decide if he wants a game he is going to get killed in count or not, especially if he is getting paid. It also allows him to decide how he wants his schedule to play out for the NCAA Tournament. But the D3 exhibition against D1 real game has been around for a long time.
It's not just D3 vs. D1. Games against NAIA schools can be exhibitions for them - same with games against Canadian non-NCAA schools.
Canadian games in Division III I think are handled completely differently. I believe they are under the international allowance which is only once every three year. That is a different topic altogether.
And yes, there are other example, but I was trying to keep it simple.
It's not Canadian schools in general, only the pre-season international trips. Teams go to Canada when they can't afford to go anywhere else. I'm pretty sure in-season games against Canadian teams are handled like any other non NCAA contest.
This is an off the cuff response without doing research, but I don't think a game against Canadian schools is ever counted as one of 25 allowable
The current exchange rate is that one game against an American team counts as 1.4 games against a Canadian team.
Well, all I know is that CWU plays Quest (nickname: The Kermodes) every year (and other GNAC (D2 variety) schools do too) and it counts for us - but not for them. We play them in December, which is their off time for the PacWest (Canada version) schedule.
One of Quest's best players is: Noah DeRappard-Yuswack
No games on 1/28
Games of 1/29
Maranatha Baptist 70, Emmaus (other) 59
Games of 1/30: Including a disappointing performance by our D3 Concordias in the Concordia Tourney
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 86, Concordia (Wis.) 85
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 81, Concordia-Chicago 66
Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 77, Pine Manor 69
SUNY-Canton 94, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 91
Maine-Presque Isle 73, Central Maine CC (Other) 57
Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 76, Maranatha Baptist 73
Alfred State 65, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 63
Games of 2/1
Williams 67, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 63
Central Bible (NCCAA-D2) 93, Westminster (Mo.) 92 (read about the ending in the SLIAC room)
Games of 2/2
Maine-Presque Isle 77, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 75
Illinois Tech 71, St. Mary's (Minn.) (MIAC) 62
Games of 2/3:
Penn State-Behrend 81, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 45
Games of 2/4:
Maranatha Baptist 50, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 46
Pine Manor 86, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 84
no games 2/5...... Games of 2/6/16:
Maranatha Baptist 85, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 76
Pine Manor 74, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 52
SUNY-Canton 76, Alfred State (IND-D3 Provisional) 56
Monmouth 119, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 59
Piedmont 84, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D1) 77
Games of 2/7
Maine-Presque Isle 91, Unity (USCAA) 52
SUNY-Canton 71, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 65
Anybody see a UC Santa Cruz - Life Pacific score on 2/6??... Game is on all sites, no score posted anywhere...
LIFE Pacific is an unaffiliated school that established men's basketball and women's volleyball as its two intercollegiate sports this school year. As is typically the case in situations in which intercollegiate sports is clearly an afterthought in relation to the institution as a whole, nobody seems to be in charge of updating results on the team's webpage. Neither of the two games that LIFE Pacific played last weekend have results posted, not just the Saturday game against the Banana Slugs.
If I were you, I'd e-mail UCSC's SID Collin Pregliasco. If he still doesn't have the score, go right to the source and e-mail Banana Slugs head coach Ron DuBois. I doubt you'll get much help from the LIFE Pacific end of things.
Straight from the Banana Slugs' mouth...er...site:
http://goslugs.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/boxscores/20160206_afk8.xml
They must've transmitted that box score from San Dimas to Santa Cruz via Pony Express.
From 2/6, a couple days late:
UC Santa Cruz 64 Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 56
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They must've transmitted that box score from San Dimas to Santa Cruz via Pony Express.
San Dimas to Santa Cruz is a long way for a banana slug to slug.
Game of 2/8
New Jersey City 97, Valley Forge (Ind-D3 Provisional) 47
Games of 2/9:
Maranatha Baptist 77, Dayspring Bible (Other) 64
Alfred State 78, Davis (Other) 55
Rockford 98, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 73
Berry 96, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 72
Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 77, North Central (Minn.) 73
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They must've transmitted that box score from San Dimas to Santa Cruz via Pony Express.
San Dimas to Santa Cruz is a long way for a banana slug to slug.
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!
Games of 2/10
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 72, Maine-Presque Isle 61
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 107, Valley Forge 104
2/11
Tougaloo (NAIA-D1) 116, Rust 77 Rust having a tough season at 5-17
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2/11
Tougaloo (NAIA-D1) 116, Rust 77 Rust having a tough season at 5-17
If Rust has 22 reported results that means they've actually played about 35 games this year right? ;D
Games of 2/13/16..... no games 2/12/16
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 102, Maine-Presque Isle 75
Judson (NAIA-D2) 61, Maranatha Baptist 46
SUNY-Canton 86, Villa Maria (other) 76
UC Santa Cruz 74, Illinois Tech (Ind-D3 Provisional) 64
Games of 2/14
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 76, Alfred State 66
SUNY-Canton 93, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 68
games of 2/16... D3 kicked.... no games 2/15
Trinity Int'l (NAIA-D2) 103, Maranatha Baptist 71
Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 65, University of Dallas 63
Crossroads College (NCCAA-D2) 80, Crown 68
games of 2/17
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 89, Valley Forge 78
2/19 Rust Fisk anybody????
Maranatha Baptist 84, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 74
Rust NA, Fisk (NAIA-D1) NA
If they're playing 2/19 then they're playing today.
They actually played 2/18. I see nothing on the AII site.
no games 2/19
games 2/20
UC Santa Cruz 85, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 74
Centenary (La.) 92, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 80
Rust/Fisk 2/18 Anybody? Anybody??
Got nothin'.
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Got nothin'.
Someone Call Rust!!!!!!
Somebody in this world has to know the outcome of the Rust-Fisk Game!!!!
hopefan-
Do you have the final records for the D3 vs D1/D2/NAIA?etc... handy?
Thanks in advance!!!
cubs... just saw your request.... I'll see if I can't get it posted this weekend..... I must have gotten caught up with Conf tourneys etc and just lost track of final records at end of season...
Quote from: hopefan on August 18, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
cubs... just saw your request.... I'll see if I can't get it posted this weekend..... I must have gotten caught up with Conf tourneys etc and just lost track of final records at end of season...
No worries!!! Thanks!!
Two big exhibitions today. Platteville kept it within 28 points against Wisconsin and WashU is holding their own at Illinois (trailing 30-40 at the half).
WashU came back from 28 down to lose 75-82. They won the rebounding battle. The Bears should be a pretty formidable team this season.
Let's keep this in perspective. Illinois apparently only started two of it's projected starters and one of their top players I don't think played at all... not to mention the fact, clearly stepped off the gas in the last quarter. I know we all love seeing a D3 play well against a D1 school (Transy jumping out on Kentucky a few years ago was fun to watch)... but these games rarely translate into anything we can use about the season ahead.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
Let's keep this in perspective. Illinois apparently only started two of it's projected starters and one of their top players I don't think played at all... not to mention the fact, clearly stepped off the gas in the last quarter. I know we all love seeing a D3 play well against a D1 school (Transy jumping out on Kentucky a few years ago was fun to watch)... but these games rarely translate into anything we can use about the season ahead.
I know I can only comment on this so many times before people assume that I am unable to keep it in perspective, but a few thoughts.
Illinois only played 10 guys and starters featured throughout...and though the personal issues, including injuries continue, they still played at least four consensus Top 100 guys. A guy like Jalen Coleman-Lands is a
top guy on a lot of Division I teams.
There are two positions on online forums regarding exhibition games in general and inter-Division exhibition games in particular.
Rarely translate on the one hand and
evidence of a formidable team on the other. And rarely does one opinion get posted without the other soon following. If we were all watching this game in person, we would probably find lots of examples of play that would signal a good season ahead.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
Let's keep this in perspective. Illinois apparently only started two of it's projected starters and one of their top players I don't think played at all... not to mention the fact, clearly stepped off the gas in the last quarter. I know we all love seeing a D3 play well against a D1 school (Transy jumping out on Kentucky a few years ago was fun to watch)... but these games rarely translate into anything we can use about the season ahead.
I agree. I was watching the live stats, even when they were down 28, WashU was still only two rebounds behind. When they were actually playing the best Illinois threw out there, they were committing ridiculous turnovers (as expected), but they hit the boards the whole game. That's what was most impressive to me.
This is my two cents worth...well actually 10 cents, having broadcast the game court side:
Illinois' players may have taken their collective feet off the pedal in the 2nd half, but let's look at the 1st half when there was no inclination to coast leisurely to the finish. Wash-U jumped out to a 7-2 lead, led at its high-water mark by 7 (24-17) and held the lead for most of the half before the Illini surged and took a 10-point lead at halftime.
A 10-point lead. By a D-1 Big 10 team that had 6 of their top 7 scorers back, of which 4 of them saw extensive playing time last season--between 28 and 34 game appearances and between 16-34 starting assignments. Including Malcolm Hill, a 2nd-team Big 10 selection, and a Jerry West finalist. Including two players at 6'10" and another at 6'11" (Mike Thorne Jr., a Charlotte transfer that had averaged 10.1 ppg and 7.3 rpg there before his departure). Jalen Coleman-Lands, who did not start Sunday, was a top-50 HS recruit...and Aaron Jordan, who did start Sunday, was 5th in the balloting for Mr. Illinois Basketball in HS. Tracy Abrams, who was injured the last two seasons, was a double-digit point producer per game in 2013 and 2014.
This was not an Illini lineup that rolled out 4 walk-ons and the team manager out of the floor to start the game. This was a legit D-1 lineup--not of the standards of Duke or Kentucky, but a lineup from a 15-19 team that won two Big 10 Tournament games last season. And yet, Wash-U, minus three of its pivotal starters for much of the 1st half because of early foul trouble (Andrew Sanders, David Schmelter, and Matt Highsmith--played between 5-8 minutes each) outrebounded Illinois 20-16 in the first half and outshot Illinois 42%-33%. Outscored the Illini in the paint 10-8. There were many murmurs and outright grumbles expressed by the Illinois fans, expecting the obligatory blowout of a Division III team, as the first half came to an end.
2nd Half: When the Illini hit its high-water mark of a 29-point lead with 11:39 left, it thought it could glide the rest of the way to a rout. But, Wash-U realized that and was not too happy about it--so the Bears responded by cutting the deficit to 21, prompting Illinois to put its starters back in the game. However, the Bears kept slashing away, outworking and outplaying whoever was on the floor for the Illini...all the way to the end of the game when the final deficit was 7...and if there would've been 5 more minutes on the clock, Wash-U very well could've won the game.
Final stats: Wash-U outscored Illinois 45-42 in the 2nd half. 38-38 in points in the paint. Illinois, despite having an advantage of 20 turnovers to Wash-U's 27, only outscored the Bears 29-26 in points off of turnovers (Wash-U outscored Illinois 22-16 in this POT category in the 2nd half). Illinois won the game on fast-break situations (14-2 edge in points) and at the free throw line (25-37, compared to Wash-U's 13-19). D-1 athleticism won the day, but barely.
Malcolm Hill was held to 4-13 shooting and 11 points in 27 minutes. 6'10" Maverick Morgan had 20 points, 6'10" Michael Finke had 13 points, and Coleman-Lands had 11 points on 3-9 shooting. Only 10 players of the 16-man roster played (Kipper Nichols is not eligible until Dec. 17)...so the key players for Illinois this season all logged significant minutes in the game. Wash-U outshot Illinois 47%-43% overall and 29%-18% from beyond the arc.
Post-game quotes: "Wash-U was tougher for a majority of the game."--Illini head coach John Groce. And, the quote that was the most telling of how the game unfolded from start to finish was made by Wash-U's Kevin Kucera: "We didn't come here to get blown out. We came here to win."
While the outcome from this game certainly doesn't guarantee anything to anybody, it does indicate that Wash-U has the potential to be a very good team...one that could win the UAA and get into the NCAA Tournament. Will that potential become reality? We'll see. But, I believe the perspectives of those who were there to see the game in person should be assessed, before an assumption is made that the outcome is largely irrelevant and brushed off like so much dandruff. Context matters, even in an exhibition game.
Whitworth is playing at Montana tonight. With all this talk of d3 teams hanging with d1, this might be one to watch. Certainly their talent levels are a lot closer than the games we had this weekend.
Montana 90 Whitworth 80
Montana's guards were athletic enough to get fouled and get to the FT line. As a team the Grizzly shot well from the 3pt line too (again, primarily the guards). Offensively Whitworth didn't have problems scoring, and actually had a very slight advantage in FG%. Montana getting to the line and hitting a couple more 3s was the difference, with a couple of those opportunities being a result of out rebounding the Pirates. From a box score standpoint, this one looked like a 10pt game, stats seemed pretty darn representative of how this one played out. It was tied 38-38 at the half and Montana didn't go any deeper into their bench than Whitworth did. It was a good result for Whitworth against a d1 team that has made recent NCAA tourneys but will likely just miss this year if they finish second in the Big Sky as predicted.
Scores of 11/15/16:
EXHIBITION GAMES ARE NOT INCLUDED
VMI (NCAA-D1) 78 , Southern Virginia 47
Bryant (NCAA-D1) 88 , Salve Regina 61
Hanover 97 , Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 42
Berea 99, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 68
Emmaus (other) 74 , Maranatha Baptist 66
UC Santa Cruz 68, UC-Merced (NAIA-D2) 56
George Mason (NCAA-D1) 90 , Lebanon Valley 65
Fairleigh Dickinson (NCAA-D1) 96 , FDU-Florham 48
King's 77 , Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 66
Wilkes 85 , Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 54
Green Mountain 87 , St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 71
Wheaton (Mass.) 70, Dean College (uscaa) 59
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 94 , Lewis and Clark 93
Puget Sound 117, Northwest Indian College (Other) 41
Chapman 88 , La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 63
Mount St. Vincent 66 , Fisher (NAIA-D2) 54
Vaughn (USCAA) 77 , SUNY-Purchase 112
Missouri S&T (NCAA-D2) 104, Principia 65
LaGrange 73 , Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 59
UW-Stout 81, Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 73
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 1
NAIA-D1 0 0
NAIA-D2 3 1
NCCAA-D1 0 0
NCCAA-D2 3 0
USCAA 4 1
Other 1 1
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 08:24:24 AM
Scores of 11/15/16:
EXHIBITION GAMES ARE NOT INCLUDED
VMI (NCAA-D1) 78 , Southern Virginia 47
Bryant (NCAA-D1) 88 , Salve Regina 61
Hanover 97 , Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 42
Berea 99, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 68
Emmaus (other) 74 , Maranatha Baptist 66
UC Santa Cruz 68, UC-Merced (NAIA-D2) 56
George Mason (NCAA-D1) 90 , Lebanon Valley 65
Fairleigh Dickinson (NCAA-D1) 96 , FDU-Florham 48
King's 77 , Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 66
Wilkes 85 , Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 54
Green Mountain 87 , St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 71
Wheaton (Mass.) 70, Dean College (uscaa) 59
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 94 , Lewis and Clark 93
Puget Sound 117, Northwest Indian College (Other) 41
Chapman 88 , La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 63
Mount St. Vincent 66 , Fisher (NAIA-D2) 54
Vaughn (USCAA) 77 , SUNY-Purchase 112
Missouri S&T (NCAA-D2) 104, Principia 65
LaGrange 73 , Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 59
UW-Stout 81, Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 73
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 1
NAIA-D1 0 0
NAIA-D2 3 1
NCCAA-D1 0 0
NCCAA-D2 3 0
USCAA 4 1
Other 1 1
Is the distinction from exhibition games solely that exhibitions take place before Nov 15?
No.. exhibition games are scheduled as such and may take place on 11/15 and beyond... several games were played last night that were exhibition games, but were listed on D3hoops scoreboard, making things all the more confusing... D3hoops dos not include them in the individual team scores, unless in error... for instance, Westminster Mo beat Maryville Mo (D2) last night... the score is listed on the scoreboard, but not on Westminster's Schedule page...
We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).
Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).
We do list exhibitions on the daily schedule pages. That's intentional and dating from when they were confined to the pre-Nov. 15 dates, made for people being able to use our daily schedule pages in the preseason for something useful.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2016, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).
We do list exhibitions on the daily schedule pages. That's intentional and dating from when they were confined to the pre-Nov. 15 dates, made for people being able to use our daily schedule pages in the preseason for something useful.
Oh, that's right. I am thinking of something else. Duh. Brain is mush this week.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).
Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.
See if I got the Exhibition right from the D3 school standpoint:
pre-Nov 15: it's an exhibition game, counts towards the max combo of 2 exhibitions or scrimmages but not towards the 25 max game schedule or record
after Nov 14: it may be an exhibition with the same ramifications as above OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record
The school I work for (Central Washington) is a D2 squad and played Washington State last night. Counted for them. Exhibition for CWU.
Quote from: ronk on November 16, 2016, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).
Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.
See if I got the Exhibition right from the D3 school standpoint:
pre-Nov 15: it's an exhibition game, counts towards the max combo of 2 exhibitions or scrimmages but not towards the 25 max game schedule or record
after Nov 14: it may be an exhibition with the same ramifications as above OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record
Nope, wrong
If it's Nov 14 or earlier, it's definitely an exhibition game for D3 (this year's calendar) and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions
If it is Nov. 15 or later,
AND is designated as an exhibition game for the D3 team, the same holds... it's an exhibition game for D3 and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions. The confusion lies in that some of these Nov. 15 or later exhibition games games show in the D3scoreboard and create the misconception that they are countable games. D3hoops gives the score in the scoreboard for the reader's information without showing it is an exhibition, but that score does not transfer over to the D3team's schedule and record as shown on D3hoops.
Quote from: hopefan on November 16, 2016, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 16, 2016, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
We try not to include exhibition games on the schedule pages or elsewhere, but sometimes they slip past or another location may have a different setting (allowing you to see who is at least in action, even if the game does not count).
Per exhibition: currently, D3s can play higher division teams Nov. 15 onward and have it count as an exhibition, if they want. The twist is that the higher division teams can count them as "real" games as long as it is after their respective start date(s). It can be confusing sometimes. Not sure if that rule will stick (it has only been around for a couple of seasons after the previous rule was even more confusing) with conversations taking place about how many games, real or not real, being played by programs in all sports. Very inside-baseball conversation there.
See if I got the Exhibition right from the D3 school standpoint:
pre-Nov 15: it's an exhibition game, counts towards the max combo of 2 exhibitions or scrimmages but not towards the 25 max game schedule or record
after Nov 14: it may be an exhibition with the same ramifications as above OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record
Nope, wrong
If it's Nov 14 or earlier, it's definitely an exhibition game for D3 (this year's calendar) and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions
If it is Nov. 15 or later, AND is designated as an exhibition game for the D3 team, the same holds... it's an exhibition game for D3 and does not count in the D3 team's record- it's not in the 25 game count, it is one of 2 allowable scrimmages/exhibitions. The confusion lies in that some of these Nov. 15 or later exhibition games games show in the D3scoreboard and create the misconception that they are countable games. D3hoops gives the score in the scoreboard for the reader's information without showing it is an exhibition, but that score does not transfer over to the D3team's schedule and record as shown on D3hoops.
Sorry, but I don't see your difference from my depiction.
your part that says "OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record"... it DOES count in D3's record if it's a real game....
Games of Nov. 16:
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 78 , Edgewood 66
Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 99 , Penn College 113
Pacific Lutheran 93, Multnomah (NAIA-D2) 91
Randolph 72 , Christendom (USCAA) 40
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 78 , Grove City 57
Biola (NAIA-D1) 74 , Pomona-Pitzer 50
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 1
NAIA-D1 0 1
NAIA-D2 4 2
NCCAA-D1 0 0
NCCAA-D2 3 0
USCAA 5 3
Other 1 1
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2016, 05:12:39 AM
your part that says "OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record"... it DOES count in D3's record if it's a real game....
But not in regional rankings and/or Pool C deliberations; isn't it as if it didn't take place for those considerations?
Quote from: ronk on November 17, 2016, 09:40:52 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 17, 2016, 05:12:39 AM
your part that says "OR it's a real game and counts towards the 25 max limit but doesn't count in the D3's record"... it DOES count in D3's record if it's a real game....
But not in regional rankings and/or Pool C deliberations; isn't it as if it didn't take place for those considerations?
If it's a real game against anyone but a D3 team, you are correct!!! ;D
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.
Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.
Quote from: ronk on November 17, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.
Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.
It wasn't allowed because the rule wasn't clear. They cleaned up the language to side with how the school understood it in the first place, but, of course, too late for that particular game. There is at least one December d3-d1 exhibition game on the schedule for this year - I forget who, but I remember seeing it.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 17, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.
Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.
It wasn't allowed because the rule wasn't clear. They cleaned up the language to side with how the school understood it in the first place, but, of course, too late for that particular game. There is at least one December d3-d1 exhibition game on the schedule for this year - I forget who, but I remember seeing it.
Fontbonne at Missouri State is listed today... and is an exhibition...
Olivet plays an exhibition at D1 IPFW on Jan 9, real game for the Mastadons
Olivet also plays an exhibition with D2 Saginaw Valley State on Nov. 28
Olivet declared both games as exhibition basically because two different coaches couldn't count when they set up the schedule for this year. ;)
ST. Mary's(MD) @ Maryland tonight
Ow
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 17, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.
Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.
It wasn't allowed because the rule wasn't clear. They cleaned up the language to side with how the school understood it in the first place, but, of course, too late for that particular game. There is at least one December d3-d1 exhibition game on the schedule for this year - I forget who, but I remember seeing it.
Cabrini University (D3) at Lehigh University (D1) December 22.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 17, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 17, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
It's even easier - d3 teams are allowed two exhibition games during their season (from the start of practice to the end of the championship game) - they can schedule them whenever they like. The 25 allowable regular season games can only happen after Nov 14th (unless the 15th falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, then they can play the previous Friday night).
Ryan is correct - it had to be adjusted for last season after some confusion in the rule book. You have 2 exhibition/scrimmage games you can use anytime between Oct. 15 and the NCAA championship game (yep, that far) - alumni games do NOT count. If you play them prior to either team's first permissible game date, it is obviously an exhibition/scrimmage for both. If the D3 plays an opponent in D2 or D1 who has already started their season, that's when it gets confusing for people. The D2 and D1 can count it as a real game while the D3 can count it as an exhibition (BTW D2 can do that with D1s as well, I believe). It used to be understood that could only happen in the time between D1's start and Nov. 15, but the rule book actually wasn't that clear and I know of at least one case where a D3 team scheduled a December game against a D1, thought they could count it as exhibition, they were not allowed and suddenly had too many games - they scrambled and canceled their only remaining non-conference D3 game just days prior to playing it (both sides were fine with the decision). The rule was then better explained and formally expanded starting last season. Though, it is up for debate whether it will be changed again.
Who wouldn't allow it? One would think it would be up to each participating institution to deem it as a exhibition or a real game after the D3 season starts.
It wasn't allowed because the rule wasn't clear. They cleaned up the language to side with how the school understood it in the first place, but, of course, too late for that particular game. There is at least one December d3-d1 exhibition game on the schedule for this year - I forget who, but I remember seeing it.
The intent of the rule was for no exhibition games after Nov. 14. However, if you read the old language, they weren't as specific as they intended and it could be misread or misconstrued that the exhibition could be played at any time. The intent of the rule that had been in place for many years was no games after Nov. 14. Some programs had read through the rule without that understanding and read it differently. They weren't allowed to play the game because of the intent of the rule along with how it had been enforced to that point. As Ryan points out, the rule was adjusted to what we have today - what the team had read in the first place - but nothing they could do about it that particular season.
Games listed on Dec 17 scoreboard that were Exhibitions:
Fontbonne - Missouri St
St. Mary's-Maryland
Southwestern-St. Edward's
George Fox-Portland State
Nazareth-Buffalo
Occidental-Westmont
Games of Nov. 17
University of the Ozarks 107, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 97
Cairn 98, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 92
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 99 , Centenary (N.J.) 87
Bluffton 79, OSU Lima (Other) 53
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 92, Minnesota-Morris 85
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 1
NAIA-D1 0 1
NAIA-D2 4 3
NCCAA-D1 0 0
NCCAA-D2 4 0
USCAA 6 4
Other 2 1
IND-D3 Provisional 0 0
Games of November 18
Howard Payne 66, Eastern New Mexico (NCAA-D2) 65
Springfield 83, Dean College (uscaa) 73
Villa Maria (uscaa) 101, York (N.Y.) 76
Buffalo State 84, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 67
Lycoming 111, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 81
William Paterson 75 , Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 63
Puget Sound 65 , Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 54
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 88 , Lesley 82
Rivier 107, Unity (USCAA) 63
Ferrum 76, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 67
Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 113, Oglethorpe 85
Sewanee 76 , Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 47
Susquehanna 91 , Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 58
Thomas More 88 , Midway (NAIA-D2) 70
UW-River Falls 103, Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 98
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 91 , Thiel 78
Portland (NCAA-D1) 98 , Lewis and Clark 52
Coe 79, Silver Lake (USCAA) 71
UW-Platteville 78, Lindsey Wilson (NAIA-D1) 62
Games of 11/19
Anybody notice Grinnell went for 167 against Silver Lake???!!!
Angelo State (NCAA-D2) 75, Howard Payne 48
Becker 83, Dean College (uscaa) 81
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 97, York (N.Y.) 64
Buffalo State 94 , Villa Maria (uscaa) 83
Olivet 99 , Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 89
Lebanon Valley 85 , Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 70
Haverford 73 , Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 66
Clarks Summit 70 , Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 69
Pacific Lutheran 71 , Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 63
Lesley 92 , Unity (USCAA) 73
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 70 , Rivier 53
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 58, Worcester State 54
UC Santa Cruz 72 , Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 60
Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 53 , Oglethorpe 106
Sewanee 102, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 86
Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 84 , Franciscan (Ohio) 69
Berry 83 , Midway (NAIA-D2) 66
UW-Stout 88, Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 85
Westminster (Pa.) 90 , Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 61
Texas College (NAIA-D1) 76 , LeTourneau 67
Lubbock Christian (NCAA-D2) 90, Sul Ross State 74
University of the Ozarks 94 , Baptist Bible (Mo.) (NCCAA-D2) 72
McDaniel 95 , Penn State York (USCAA) 73
Grinnell 167, Silver Lake (USCAA) 115
Vermont (NCAA-D1) 79 , Lyndon State 20
Sioux Falls (NCAA-D2) 100, Concordia (Wis.) 65
St. Elizabeth 80, King's College NY (USCAA) 65
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 68, Willamette 64
St. Francis (Pa.) (NCAA-D1) 119, Chatham 59
San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 73 , Chapman 62
Occidental 65 , Future College (other) 50
Whittier 96 , West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 75
Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 86 , Fontbonne 56
North Central (Minn.) 96 , Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 84
UW-Whitewater 85, Lindsey Wilson (NAIA-D1) 78
Games of 11/20/16
Carthage 80 , Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 66
Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 76 , Elizabethtown 70
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 7
NCAA-D2 2 5
NAIA-D1 2 3
NAIA-D2 10 6
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 9 2
USCAA 28 8
Other 3 1
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
great catch Hoops.. it virtually has to be, given their are scores for the 2 pre-11/15 games, they had to be exhibitions, the other two have to be real... I'll change my spreadsheet for tomorrow
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
great catch Hoops.. it virtually has to be, given their are scores for the 2 pre-11/15 games, they had to be exhibitions, the other two have to be real... I'll change my spreadsheet for tomorrow
It's been pointed out to me that there is a reading of the rule that would allow a team to have extra exhibition games if they gave up an equal number of regular season games. Dave McHugh reached out to the NCAA to clarify and I'm hoping the LC SID will get back to me promptly.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
great catch Hoops.. it virtually has to be, given their are scores for the 2 pre-11/15 games, they had to be exhibitions, the other two have to be real... I'll change my spreadsheet for tomorrow
It's been pointed out to me that there is a reading of the rule that would allow a team to have extra exhibition games if they gave up an equal number of regular season games. Dave McHugh reached out to the NCAA to clarify and I'm hoping the LC SID will get back to me promptly.
Interesting... I'll hold off on the change... let me know
Scores of 11/21/16
Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 89, McMurry 86
Franklin NA, Florida College (USCAA) NA score not posted yet
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 67, Simpson 59
St. Vincent 101, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 80
Regis (Col.) (NCAA-D2) 88, Colorado College 79
Minnesota-Morris 105, Presentation (NAIA-D2) 100
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2016, 07:28:54 AM
Scores of 11/21/16
Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 89, McMurry 86
Franklin NA, Florida College (USCAA) NA score not posted yet
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 67, Simpson 59
St. Vincent 101, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 80
Regis (Col.) (NCAA-D2) 88, Colorado College 79
Minnesota-Morris 105, Presentation (NAIA-D2) 100
Franklin beat Florida College 88-84. Go Grizzlies :)
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2016, 07:25:56 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
great catch Hoops.. it virtually has to be, given their are scores for the 2 pre-11/15 games, they had to be exhibitions, the other two have to be real... I'll change my spreadsheet for tomorrow
It's been pointed out to me that there is a reading of the rule that would allow a team to have extra exhibition games if they gave up an equal number of regular season games. Dave McHugh reached out to the NCAA to clarify and I'm hoping the LC SID will get back to me promptly.
Interesting... I'll hold off on the change... let me know
LC says they're sacrificing regular season games for those extra two to be exhibitions. I'm not sure why - the only thing that changes is whether the stats count or not. No selection committee will care either way. We're waiting to hear from the NCAA, but I doubt the college would do it without knowing for sure. Strange.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2016, 07:25:56 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
great catch Hoops.. it virtually has to be, given their are scores for the 2 pre-11/15 games, they had to be exhibitions, the other two have to be real... I'll change my spreadsheet for tomorrow
It's been pointed out to me that there is a reading of the rule that would allow a team to have extra exhibition games if they gave up an equal number of regular season games. Dave McHugh reached out to the NCAA to clarify and I'm hoping the LC SID will get back to me promptly.
Interesting... I'll hold off on the change... let me know
LC says they're sacrificing regular season games for those extra two to be exhibitions. I'm not sure why - the only thing that changes is whether the stats count or not. No selection committee will care either way. We're waiting to hear from the NCAA, but I doubt the college would do it without knowing for sure. Strange.
So every tough non-conference game on your schedule, just call it an exhibition and it stays off your record and helps you get an at-large bid?
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 22, 2016, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2016, 07:28:54 AM
Scores of 11/21/16
Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 89, McMurry 86
Franklin NA, Florida College (USCAA) NA score not posted yet
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 67, Simpson 59
St. Vincent 101, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 80
Regis (Col.) (NCAA-D2) 88, Colorado College 79
Minnesota-Morris 105, Presentation (NAIA-D2) 100
Franklin beat Florida College 88-84. Go Grizzlies :)
Thanks Grizz
Quote from: AO on November 22, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 22, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2016, 07:25:56 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 21, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 21, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
Louisiana College has four games listed as "exhibition" on their schedule, two of them on or after Nov 15th. They also have only 23 regular season games listed. I'm guessing those two d1 exhibitions are real games, which would be interesting since they beat d1 McNeese State on the 15th.
I've got an email into the SID for confirmation, but we might have a D1 victor on the first day of the season.
great catch Hoops.. it virtually has to be, given their are scores for the 2 pre-11/15 games, they had to be exhibitions, the other two have to be real... I'll change my spreadsheet for tomorrow
It's been pointed out to me that there is a reading of the rule that would allow a team to have extra exhibition games if they gave up an equal number of regular season games. Dave McHugh reached out to the NCAA to clarify and I'm hoping the LC SID will get back to me promptly.
Interesting... I'll hold off on the change... let me know
LC says they're sacrificing regular season games for those extra two to be exhibitions. I'm not sure why - the only thing that changes is whether the stats count or not. No selection committee will care either way. We're waiting to hear from the NCAA, but I doubt the college would do it without knowing for sure. Strange.
So every tough non-conference game on your schedule, just call it an exhibition and it stays off your record and helps you get an at-large bid?
No - this is a D1 so the rule about playing a higher division kicks in and allows for one team to count it and another to call it an exhibition.
You can't do that in the division and both teams have to sign off on it. You can't have one D3 play it for real and the other not for real. Doesn't work that way.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2016, 12:52:13 PM
No - this is a D1 so the rule about playing a higher division kicks in and allows for one team to count it and another to call it an exhibition.
You can't do that in the division and both teams have to sign off on it. You can't have one D3 play it for real and the other not for real. Doesn't work that way.
Interesting, I definitely side with Ryan here in wondering why LC would do this. Any D-1 wins or losses are only considered under the secondary criteria, and I don't believe we've ever had an at-large bid decided based mainly upon a D-1 win or loss.
Well... to be honest, only decided truly if other teams in consideration also played those teams. The overall WL isn't usually seriously considered when secondary criteria is used... it is considered in terms of "anyone play the same opponent?"
I agree... seems pointless.
I'm sure LC does it for the money and would rather sacrifice two counting games to get the cash.
You can still do it for the money and count it as a real game - check out others in Division III and Coppin State who has made it a standard in D1.
I don't know the situation here, but there is a weird quirk where a D-I can call a game an exhibition, but the opposing D-III team has to count it as a real game. It stems from the two Divisions working off different definitions of what counts as a playing season. I'm still pretty sure LC can't count three exhibitions though. The third one of these would have to be official.
Quote from: Just Bill on November 22, 2016, 03:21:25 PM
I don't know the situation here, but there is a weird quirk where a D-I can call a game an exhibition, but the opposing D-III team has to count it as a real game. It stems from the two Divisions working off different definitions of what counts as a playing season. I'm still pretty sure LC can't count three exhibitions though. The third one of these would have to be official.
I do not know of any situation where a D1 can call a game an exhibition and a DIII can call it a game. Normally it is a DIII can call it an exhibition and DI can call it a real game as long as it is after the DI season begins. The reason is D1's season starts earlier than DIII's (Nov. 15 most years). Also, DIIIs can have exhibition games AFTER Nov. 15, but that rule was only clarified two years ago.
As for LC... as Ryan as stated before (via my interptation to him), I suspect LC can count more than two exhibition games IF they take those games away from their overall total.
For example, the NESCAC does NOT allow exhibition games UNLESS the team chooses to take away from their season total of 25 (may be 24 in the NESCAC). I have a feeling that any team can play more than two exhibition games (allowed by NCAA rule) if they use up a game from their 25 game allotment. In other words, you have 27-games total (25 in-season) to use as you see fit. If you play 3 exhibition games, you are limited to 24 regular season games. And since DIII allows exhibition games, for now, to be played in the regular season... you see quirks like we are seeing with LC.
I do have emails and calls into the NCAA to try and get clarification.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 22, 2016, 03:13:14 PM
You can still do it for the money and count it as a real game - check out others in Division III and Coppin State who has made it a standard in D1.
Oh, I know that. I just told my wife the insane schedule Mississippi Valley State has this year, along with most of the SWAC and MEAC. It looks like Louisiana College gets $$ from Southland schools and UTEP.
They may want their coach to have a nicer record or something.
Games of 11/22/16
Texas Permian Basin (NCAA-D2) 112, Sul Ross State 88
Southern Virginia 75, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 73
Boston University (NCAA-D1) 91, Western New England 54
Eckerd (NCAA-D2) 111, Franklin 85
Western Connecticut 84, Dean College (uscaa) 68
Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 78 , Adrian 59
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 107, Concordia-Moorhead 74
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 95, St. John's 77
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 71 , Lyndon State 67
DePauw 98 , Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 58
Pacific 83 , Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 45
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 78 , Pacific Lutheran 63
Corban (NAIA-D2) 95 , Willamette 56
Chatham 71 , Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 60
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 97, Westminster (Pa.) 67
Illinois-Springfield (NCAA-D2) 90, Blackburn 74
Eureka 101, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 85
Greenville 178, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 125
UW-La Crosse 72 , Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 59
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 9
NCAA-D2 2 11
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 12 11
NCCAA-D1 2 0
NCCAA-D2 11 2
USCAA 34 8
Other 3 1
Games of 11/23
Maine-Presque Isle 54, Central Maine CC (Other) 52
Old favorite UMPI with a win!!! (Their first of the season)
Games of 11/25
Hawaii Pacific (NCAA-D2) 79, Carleton 70
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 83, Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 79
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 83, Calvin 55
Hope 93, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 80
Mass-Boston 76, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 50
Hofstra (NCAA-D1) 89, Medaille 56
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 85, Crown 58
Games of 11/26
Carleton 68, BYU-Hawaii (NCAA-D2) 59
DePauw 86, East-West (Other) 77
Pomona-Pitzer 68, Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 59
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 94, Calvin 86
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 95, Hope 78
Merchant Marine 53, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 52
Texas-Tyler 71, Jarvis Christian (NAIA-D1) 70
Wartburg 83, Governors State (NAIA-D2) 82
Maine (NCAA-D1) 96, Maine-Presque Isle 45
Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 122, Penn College 111
Linfield 104, Northwest Indian College (Other) 34
Iowa Wesleyan 87, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 82
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 11
NCAA-D2 3 12
NAIA-D1 3 4
NAIA-D2 16 15
NCCAA-D1 2 0
NCCAA-D2 12 1
USCAA 37 9
Other 6 1
Games of 11/27
Carroll 93, East-West (Other) 76
Abilene Christian (NCAA-D1) 71, Howard Payne 55
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 90, McDaniel 84
Delaware (NCAA-D1) 84, Bryn Athyn 51
Linfield 107, Northwest Indian College (Other) 62
Linfield plays an outmanned Northwest Indian College 2 days in a row.... I'd love to hear a reasonable explanation on that... No one else to play?
Many D-2 and D-3 schools have played doubleheaders against them - both men's and women's. They need games before their tournament in March. I think a lot of time teams help with travel for them so they get a couple games out of it, too.
They play quite a few community colleges as well.
Games of 11/28/16
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 68, Maine-Presque Isle 63
Widener 84, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 58
SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 66, Cazenovia 65
CU-Colorado Springs (NCAA-D2) 74, Colorado College 63
Methodist 94, St. Andrews (NAIA-D2) 82
Games of 11/29
Concordia (Texas) 98, Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 94
Berea 88, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 78
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 75, Maranatha Baptist 73
Pine Manor 138, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 97
Colgate (NCAA-D1) 91, Union 68
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 101, Northland 58
Minnesota-Morris 112, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 73
UW-River Falls 72, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 46
Games of 11/30
Note the game between Towson and Goucher, while listed on D3hoops and not shown as an exhibition on Goucher's site, is not included here... Goucher's schedule shows 26 games, and Towson is the only non Division 3 opponent.. therefore, I'm assuming it's an exhibition
Villa Maria (uscaa) 78, Houghton 68
Akron (NCAA-D1) 95, Adrian 41
Evansville (NCAA-D1) 83, Wabash 39
Emerson 84, Dean College (uscaa) 70
Jarvis Christian (NAIA-D1) 80, Austin 72
Occidental 77, Bristol (USCAA) 59
Coastal Carolina (NCAA-D1) 88, Methodist 59
North Carolina Wesleyan 92, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 68
Games of 12/1/16
Valley Forge 87, Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 68
Berea 96, Crown (Tn.) (USCAA) 52
Maranatha Baptist 86, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 85
University of Dallas 103, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 60
Cal Lutheran 108, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 91
Piedmont 91, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 88
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 17
NCAA-D2 3 14
NAIA-D1 4 5
NAIA-D2 19 15
NCCAA-D1 3 1
NCCAA-D2 16 1
USCAA 43 13
Other 9 1
The category I always keep my eye on is the D3 vs. NAIA-D2 line. D3 usually comes out on the short end of the stick by season's end against NAIA-D2. Right now D3 is ahead, which is certainly good to see.
Games of 12/2/16
North Carolina Wesleyan 87, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 73
Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 103, Valley Forge 80
College of New Rochelle 91, King's College NY (USCAA) 48
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 90, San Diego Christian (NAIA-D1) 62
Sarah Lawrence 100, Pratt (USCAA) 71
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 02, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
The category I always keep my eye on is the D3 vs. NAIA-D2 line. D3 usually comes out on the short end of the stick by season's end against NAIA-D2. Right now D3 is ahead, which is certainly good to see.
I don't think it was that way 10+ years ago, though. I think perhaps the NAIA2 teams have been scheduling weaker D3 opponents recently - or the top D3 programs have found it less beneficial to take those games?
It's really all about the geographic luck of the draw more than anything else. The most common D3 vs. NAIA-D2 scenario tends to involve geographic outliers (southern teams; West Coast teams; Michigan, outstate Minnesota, and Maine teams; etc.) or crosstown neighbors (e.g., Adrian vs. Siena Heights or UW-LaCrosse vs. Viterbo). Just take a look at the D3 teams that played NAIA-D2 opponents this past week: Northland, Minnesota-Morris, UW-River Falls, Methodist, Pomona-Pitzer, Wartburg, Calvin, Hope, CMS, and Crown.
That, and late cancellations in which the D3 team needs an opponent on comparatively short notice (and, since NAIA teams are allowed to play 32 games, they're more likely to have open dates available), seem to be the biggest reasons why D3 teams play NAIA-D2s.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on February 02, 2005, 09:50:07 AM
Greg: D3 teams have done much better against NAIA 2 opponents over the past three years than they have this year.
2002 118-58 (.670)
2003 92-60 (.605)
2004 93-62 (.600)
2005 64-69 (.481)
Yep. I knew that it had been awhile. Thanks for looking that up, sac.
Games of 12/3/16
Norwich 97, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 63
Greensboro 87, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 63
Valley Forge 84, Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 81
Wiley (NAIA-D1) 101, Concordia (Texas) 96
Berea 86, Oakland City (NCAA-D2) 63
College of New Rochelle 95, The New School (Other) 44
Silver Lake (USCAA) 84, Maranatha Baptist 73
SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 65, Alfred State 52
Hobart 66, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 61
UMBC (NCAA-D1) 98, Messiah 59
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 87, Oberlin 72
Stephen F. Austin (NCAA-D1) 90, Centenary (La.) 59
Occidental 88, Cal Miramar (Other) 71
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 91, Pomona-Pitzer 59
Games of 12/4/16
Bridgewater State 121, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 77
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 20
NCAA-D2 4 14
NAIA-D1 5 7
NAIA-D2 20 15
NCCAA-D1 3 1
NCCAA-D2 19 2
USCAA 47 15
Other 11 1
Games of 12/5
Sul Ross State 76, Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 74
UT-Arlington (NCAA-D1) 99, Texas-Dallas 49
Maine-Presque Isle 68, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 62
St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D2) 80, Kalamazoo 69
Games of 12/6
Alfred State 101, Davis (uscaa) 59
Trine 119, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 61
Johnson State 94, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 65
Dean College (uscaa) 88, Wheelock 75
Evergreen St. (NAIA-D2) 92, Lewis and Clark 81
Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 93, Colorado College 91
Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 74, Chapman 63
Occidental 72, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 64
Minnesota-Morris NA, Mayville State (NAIA-D2) NA postponed - blizzard
LaGrange 98, Selma (Other) 53
UW-Eau Claire 68, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 59
Games of 12/7/16
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 81, Rivier 52
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 83, Anderson 81
Grace (Neb.) (NCCAA-D1) 81, Nebraska Wesleyan 79
Valley Forge 95, Penn State York (USCAA) 67
Calvin 92, Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 70
Concordia (Ore.) (NCAA-D2) 103, George Fox 81
Puget Sound 120, Northwest Indian College (Other) 48
Emory and Henry 127, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 101
Chatham 78, Penn St.-New Kensington (USCAA) 77
University of Dallas 95, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 78
St. Francis (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 69, Mount St. Vincent 51
Sage 102, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 46
Quincy (NCAA-D2) 90, MacMurray 70
Greensboro 103, Johnson and Wales (N.C.) (USCAA) 68
Games of 12/8/16
Maranatha Baptist 78, Emmaus (other) 76
Daniel Webster 84, Dean College (uscaa) 79
North Carolina Wesleyan 86, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 74
Games of 12/9/16
Eastern Mennonite 88, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 73
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 85, Southern Vermont 81
Juniata 93, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 60
Lakeland 89, Silver Lake (USCAA) 58
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 101, Cazenovia 89
Brown (NCAA-D1) 90, Emerson 58
Pacific Lutheran 73, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 70
Chapman 85, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 72
UC Irvine (NCAA-D1) 80, Pomona-Pitzer 53
Piedmont 95, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 91
Games of 12/10/16
Bridgewater (Va.) 82, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 69
Lynchburg 105, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 61
Massachusetts College 82, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 79
Wayland Baptist (NAIA-D1) 102, Sul Ross State 99
Delaware State (NCAA-D1) 92, Keystone 69
Brown (NCAA-D1) 89, Johnson and Wales 59
Dean College (uscaa) 86, Rivier 71
Simpson 97, Kansas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 59
Maranatha Baptist 88, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 72
Northwood (Mi.) (NCAA-D2) 88, Albion 72
Illinois College 98, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 75
Cal State San Bernadino (NCAA-D2) 57, Pomona-Pitzer 42
North Alabama (NCAA-D2) 87, Huntingdon 61
Games of 12/11/16
Maine-Presque Isle 72, Unity (USCAA) 60
College of New Rochelle 101, Culinary Institute (Other) 32
Columbia (NCAA-D1) 84, Manhattanville 42
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 27
NCAA-D2 4 19
NAIA-D1 6 8
NAIA-D2 23 21
NCCAA-D1 3 3
NCCAA-D2 28 2
USCAA 63 18
Other 15 1
Game of 12/12/16
Sewanee 91, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 80
Games of 12/13/16
Daniel Webster 76, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 69
Redlands 78, Bristol (USCAA) 71
Games of 12/14
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 119, College of New Rochelle 103
Madonna (NAIA-D2) 84, Olivet 76
No games vs Non D3 on 12/15
Games of 12/16
Liberty (NCAA-D1) 81, Clarks Summit 33
Bethel 87, Concordia-St. Paul (NCAA-D2) 69
St. Elizabeth 2, Pratt (USCAA) 0 St. Elizabeth claims forfeit.... wonder what happened?
Chapman 100, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 62
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2016, 03:47:32 AM
St. Elizabeth 2, Pratt (USCAA) 0 St. Elizabeth claims forfeit.... wonder what happened?
Perhaps Pratt took a fall. ;)
Wow :)
Pratt game is now just listed as a cancellation.
Quote from: sac on December 17, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
Wow :)
Pratt game is now just listed as a cancellation.
Maybe St E realized they could pick up another game somewhere if it was a cancellation rather than a forfeit?
Bethel MIAC was able to knock off Concordia St. Paul (NCAA DII) of the NSIC by double digits. Bethel is a very good team who is currently receiving votes for the top 25, look for them to possibly dethrone a Tommie team who has had an average start in defending their National Championship.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2016, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: sac on December 17, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
Wow :)
Pratt game is now just listed as a cancellation.
Maybe St E realized they could pick up another game somewhere if it was a cancellation rather than a forfeit?
Or maybe their sense of sportsmanship kicked in - better late than never. I've very rarely seen anyone claim a forfeit if the opposing team has any semi-reasonable excuse whatsoever for not playing.
Games of 12/17
Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 77, North Central (Ill.) 70
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 90, Olivet 61
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 80, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 64
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 29
NCAA-D2 5 19
NAIA-D1 6 9
NAIA-D2 24 24 AND LOOK NAIA D2 has caught up !!!!
NCCAA-D1 4 3
NCCAA-D2 30 2
USCAA 65 20
Other 15 1
There are close to 40 more D3 vs NAIA-D2 games scheduled to be played
Game of 12/18/16
Drexel (NCAA-D1) 84, Kean 44
Games of 12/19/16
Lafayette (NCAA-D1) 104, Moravian 67
Albion 80, Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 75 (and D3 goes 1 over .500 vs NAIA-D2)
Eastern Illinois (NCAA-D1) 101, Fontbonne 49
Games of 12/20/16
Menlo (NAIA-D1) 72, Benedictine 70
Dakota Wesleyan (NAIA-D2) 84, Dubuque 67
Simpson 81, Presentation (NAIA-D2) 70
Texas St. (NCAA-D1) 87, Howard Payne 37
St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D2) 105, Eureka 90
NAIA D2 and our D3 guys are now even w/l for the season
Games of 12/21/16
Presentation (NAIA-D2) 92, Dubuque 76
Simpson 52, Northwestern Ohio (NAIA-D2) 38
Kalamazoo 78, Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 74
New Hampshire (NCAA-D1) 89, Daniel Webster 26
Linfield 75, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 70
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 34
NCAA-D2 5 19
NAIA-D1 6 10
NAIA-D2 28 27
NCCAA-D1 4 3
NCCAA-D2 31 2
USCAA 65 20
Other 15 1
Games of 12/22/16
Lehigh (NCAA-D1) 93, Cabrini 72
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 94, Staten Island 42
Evansville (NCAA-D1) 68, Mount St. Joseph 55
Alcorn State 83, Rust 68 on 12/22.
http://www.alcornsports.com/boxscore.aspx?id=2141&path=mbball
Score of 12/23/16
Michigan-Dearborn (NAIA-D2) 64, Adrian 62
This puts D3 and NAIA D2 back to even
Smed... as always, thanks for the additional info in regards to Rust
Game of 12/28/16
James Madison (NCAA-D1) 82, Eastern Mennonite 65
Games of 12/29
Defiance 78, Ohio State Lima (Other) 46
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 72, Occidental 52
Whittier 88, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 72
Bethel (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 101, Manchester 67
Transylvania 116, Ohio University-Chillicothe (Other) 75
Miami (Ohio) (NCAA-D1) 89, Olivet 69
Through 12/29
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 40
NCAA-D2 5 20
NAIA-D1 7 10
NAIA-D2 29 30
NCCAA-D1 4 3
NCCAA-D2 31 2
USCAA 65 20
Other 17 1
Games of 12/30/16
Bluffton 78, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 38
Hanover 118, Ohio State Lima (Other) 65
Moravian 91, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 69
Occidental 77, Fraser Valley (Other) 59
Redlands 86, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 69
Walsh (NCAA-D2) 107, Penn State-Altoona 61
Binghamton (NCAA-D1) 101, Marywood 54
Dubuque 89, Clarke (NAIA-D1) 72
Concordia-Moorhead 99, Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 96
Willamette 79, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 74
Randolph 88, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 69
Ashland (NCAA-D2) 94, Thiel 56
Warner (NAIA-D2) 88, Fontbonne 53
Webster 83, Morthland (NCCAA-D1) 67
Games of 12/31
Grove City 71, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 58
Montclair State 87, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 78
St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D1) 92, University of the Ozarks 76
Wartburg 92, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 90
Occidental 74, Cal Miramar (Other) 53
Webber International (NAIA-D2) 72, Fontbonne 59
Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 83, Principia 73
Warner (NAIA-D2) 100, Bethany Lutheran 86
Thomas (Ga.) (NAIA-D2) 88, LaGrange 74
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 41
NCAA-D2 5 23
NAIA-D1 8 11
NAIA-D2 32 34 uh oh slipping behind NAIA D2
NCCAA-D1 5 3
NCCAA-D2 32 2
USCAA 70 20
Other 21 1
Games of 1/2/17
Maryland Eastern Shore (NCAA-D1) 90, Valley Forge 65
New Hampshire (NCAA-D1) 95, Wheelock 50
Occidental 81, Shepherd (Cal.) (NCCAA-D1) 73
St. Augustine's (NCAA-D2) 75, William Peace 61
Games of 1/3/17
Bethany Lutheran 86, Johnson (Fla.) (NCCAA-D2) 79
Presentation (NAIA-D2) 86, Minnesota-Morris 83
UW-Stout 87, Silver Lake (USCAA) 64
Games of 1/4
Illinois Tech 101, East-West (Other) 88
Vaughn (USCAA) 75, Bryn Athyn 56
Games of 1/5
Valley Forge 97, Piedmont International (NCCAA-D2) 86
Whittier NA, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) NA
Whittier game score not posted anywhere as of 8:00 AM Eastern
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2017, 08:20:03 AM
Games of 1/5
Valley Forge 97, Piedmont International (NCCAA-D2) 86
Whittier NA, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) NA
Whittier game score not posted anywhere as of 8:00 AM Eastern
I think it was 109-70 Poets
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 06, 2017, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 06, 2017, 08:20:03 AM
Games of 1/5
Valley Forge 97, Piedmont International (NCCAA-D2) 86
Whittier NA, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) NA
Whittier game score not posted anywhere as of 8:00 AM Eastern
I think it was 109-70 Poets
Thanks Grizz... curious where you found it...
Game of 1/6/17
Valley Forge 77, Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 63
Games of 1/7/17
Valley Forge NA, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) NA
Maranatha Baptist 90, Dayspring Bible (Other) 59
SUNY-Canton 89, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 46
Yale (NCAA-D1) 102, Mitchell 46
Not sure if the Valley Forge game, which was a part of a Christian Colleges Tourney in Georgia, was weathered out, or if the score simply hadn't hit any sites as of 9:00AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 08, 2017, 09:08:56 AM
Games of 1/7/17
Valley Forge NA, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) NA
Maranatha Baptist 90, Dayspring Bible (Other) 59
SUNY-Canton 89, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 46
Yale (NCAA-D1) 102, Mitchell 46
Not sure if the Valley Forge game, which was a part of a Christian Colleges Tourney in Georgia, was weathered out, or if the score simply hadn't hit any sites as of 9:00AM
I get the impression they don't work weekends at Valley Forge. Friday scores were up on their website in a timely manner. Saturday was not. Either they cancelled the last day and went home, or they just decided to wait until Monday.
Game of 1/8/17
SUNY-Canton 101, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 67
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 08, 2017, 09:08:56 AM
Games of 1/7/17
Valley Forge NA, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) NA
Maranatha Baptist 90, Dayspring Bible (Other) 59
SUNY-Canton 89, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 46
Yale (NCAA-D1) 102, Mitchell 46
Not sure if the Valley Forge game, which was a part of a Christian Colleges Tourney in Georgia, was weathered out, or if the score simply hadn't hit any sites as of 9:00AM
I get the impression they don't work weekends at Valley Forge. Friday scores were up on their website in a timely manner. Saturday was not. Either they cancelled the last day and went home, or they just decided to wait until Monday.
Valley Forge vs Pensacola Christian listed as cancelled
Games of 1/9/17
University of the Ozarks 109, Baptist Bible (Mo.) (NCCAA-D2) 35
Rust NA, Fisk (NAIA-D1) NA
IPFW (NCAA-D1) 115, Olivet 60
Brandeis 83, Dean College (uscaa) 73
Rust Fisk is listed on Fisk schedule... no score on NCAA page or NAIA page... or anywhere else..... ANYBODY? ANYBODY?
Games of 1/10/17
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 88, College of New Rochelle 75
Colby 83, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 71
Piedmont 83, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 77
Game of 1/11/17
Cal State-East Bay (NCAA-D2) 94, UC Santa Cruz 62
Game of 1/12/17
Berea 108, Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 74
Game of 1/13/17
SUNY Canton 68 Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 50
Games of 1/14/17
Valley Forge 91, Florida National (USCAA) 88
Wilberforce (NAIA-D2) 89, Berea 70
Maine-Presque Isle 78, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 75
Games of 1/15/17
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 73, Valley Forge 69
Alfred State 90, Five Towns College (USCAA) 81
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 68, Maine-Presque Isle 61
Game of 1/16/17
Westminster (Mo.) 88, Kansas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 73
Games of 1/17/17
Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 94, Berea 85
Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 87, Colorado College 65
Northwestern (Minn.) 78, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 45
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 91, Martin Luther 69
Quote from: hopefan on January 12, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
Games of 1/9/17
Rust NA, Fisk (NAIA-D1) NA
Rust Fisk is listed on Fisk schedule... no score on NCAA page or NAIA page... or anywhere else..... ANYBODY? ANYBODY?
Not sure if you've collected it yet, but this game is on the NCAA page now. http://stats.ncaa.org/game/index/4271625?org_id=586
Rust 79, Fisk 70
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 18, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 12, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
Games of 1/9/17
Rust NA, Fisk (NAIA-D1) NA
Rust Fisk is listed on Fisk schedule... no score on NCAA page or NAIA page... or anywhere else..... ANYBODY? ANYBODY?
Not sure if you've collected it yet, but this game is on the NCAA page now. http://stats.ncaa.org/game/index/4271625?org_id=586
Rust 79, Fisk 70
GREAT...... THANKS
Looks like D3's chances of taking the season series against NAIA-D2 have faded away.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 18, 2017, 12:19:26 PM
Looks like D3's chances of taking the season series against NAIA-D2 have faded away.
yes, it looks like we'll be a loser barring an incredible comeback...
D3 is 33-40 against NAIA-D2..... 12 scheduled games left, plus 2 possible makeups... if there are 14 games, D3 would have to go 11-3.... if only 12 games, 10-2
Games of 1/18/17
Maine-Presque Isle 74, Central Maine CC (Other) 71
Valley Forge 93, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 89
Games of 1/19/17
Vaughn (USCAA) 75, College of New Rochelle 70
Games of 1/20/17
Villa Maria (uscaa) 82, SUNY-Canton 80
Alfred State 87, Pratt (USCAA) 60
Games of 1/21/17
UC Santa Cruz 73, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 66
SUNY-Canton 79, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 71
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 80, Alfred State 60
Dean College (uscaa) 87, Massachusetts College 69
no games 1/22, 1/23
Games of 1/24/17
Cal Merced (NAIA-D2) 58, UC Santa Cruz 53
Illinois Tech 73, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 60
Eureka 111, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 82
Games of 1/25
University of the Ozarks 79, Haskell (NAIA-D2) 74
Berea NA, Ohio University-Chillicothe (Other) NA (not posted at 8:00 AM on any site)
College of New Rochelle 109, Davis (uscaa) 85
Valley Forge 75, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 69
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 70, Connecticut College 63
Colby 95, Dean College (uscaa) 68
Berea beat OU Chillicothe 102-68
Through 1/25
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 24
NAIA-D1 9 11
NAIA-D2 34 42
NCCAA-D1 8 3
NCCAA-D2 40 2
USCAA 88 26
Other 24 1
Catching up
No games 1/26/17
Games of 1/27/17:
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 81, Concordia (Wis.) 71
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 104, Concordia-Chicago 82
College of New Rochelle 69, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 46
Games of 1/28/17:
Berea 93, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 78
Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 82, Maranatha Baptist 80
UC Santa Cruz 72, Cal Miramar (Other) 56
Games of 1/29/17:
Alfred State 76, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 67
Games of 1/30/17:
Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 67, UC Santa Cruz 66
Games of 1/31/17:
North Central (Minn.) 87, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 51
No Games 2/1/17
Games of 2/2/17:
Pine Manor 98, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 67
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 24
NAIA-D1 9 11
NAIA-D2 34 44
NCCAA-D1 8 4
NCCAA-D2 41 3
USCAA 92 26
Other 26 1
Games of 2/3/17:
Berea 71, Florida College (USCAA) 59
Davis (uscaa) 76, Maine-Presque Isle 74
Games of 2/4/17:
Maranatha Baptist 104, Providence-Manitoba (NCCAA-D2) 69
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 81, Pine Manor 69
Stillman (NAIA-D1) 124, Rust 64
Games of 2/5/17:
Berea 85, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 79
Maine-Presque Isle 79, Unity (USCAA) 70
Games of 2/6/17:
Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 75, UC Santa Cruz 48
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 79, Worcester State 49
games of 2/7/17:
McMurry 121, Ecclesia (NCCAA-D1) 95
Maranatha Baptist 73, Dayspring Bible (Other) 56
Wilson 77, Christendom (USCAA) 57
Dean College (uscaa) 94, Newbury 70
Games of 2/8/17
Berea 79, Wilberforce (NAIA-D2) 63
Games of 2/9/17
Maine-Presque Isle 79, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 63
Maranatha Baptist 72, Silver Lake (USCAA) 62
Games of 2/10/17:
Rust NA, Fisk (NAIA-D1) NA ANYONE? ANYONE?
Games of 2/11/17
Cincinnati-Clermont (USCAA) 71, Berea 62
College of New Rochelle 93, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 88
Judson (NAIA-D2) 79, Maranatha Baptist 70
UC Santa Cruz 101, Shepherd (Cal.) (NCCAA-D1) 62
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 83, Alfred State 82
Valley Forge 97, Villa Maria (uscaa) 89
Games of 2/12/17
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 86, Maine-Presque Isle 64
Through 2/12/17
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 23
NAIA-D1 9 13
NAIA-D2 35 48
NCCAA-D1 10 4
NCCAA-D2 42 3
USCAA 100 31
Other 27 1
Games of 2/13/17:
Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 75, UC Santa Cruz 71
MacMurray 98, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 68
Games of 2/14/17:
Nebraska Wesleyan 144, Kansas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 72
Trinity Int'l (NAIA-D2) 84, Maranatha Baptist 78
Illinois Tech 75, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 74
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 64, Valley Forge 60
SUNY-Canton 63, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 44
University of Dallas 94, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 91
Games of 2/15/17:
Gogebic CC (Other) 91, Finlandia 86
College of New Rochelle 74, The New School (Other) 69
Johnson and Wales 70, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 66
Games of 2/16/17:
Illinois Tech 89, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 56
Maranatha Baptist 73, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 57
Valley Forge 85, Central Pennsylvania (USCAA) 76
games of 2/17/17:
Maine-Presque Isle 81, Landmark (Other) 46
Games of 2/18/17
Berea 96, Midway (NAIA-D2) 91
Maranatha Baptist 95, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 90
SUNY-Canton 90, Villa Maria (uscaa) 71
Mansfield State (NCAA-D2) 90, Alfred State 66
Valley Forge 85, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 68
Games of 2/19/17
SUNY-Canton 87, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 81
Games of 2/20/17:
no games
Games of 2/21/17
Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 102, Berea 92
Games of 2/22/17
UC Santa Cruz 106, Cal Miramar (Other) 65
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 24
NAIA-D1 9 13
NAIA-D2 37 50
NCCAA-D1 12 5
NCCAA-D2 46 3
USCAA 106 32
Other 30 2
Not basketball, but I thought this was cool: http://www.ncaa.com/news/fieldhockey/article/2017-10-1-diii-messiah-blanks-dii-shippensburg-cross-division?sf121237054=11/field-hockey
Well, bummer. Looks like the link doesn't work. Messiah #1 in field hockey in D3 beat Shippensburg #1 in D2.
Here we go!
http://www.ncaa.com/news/fieldhockey/article/2017-10-11/field-hockey-diii-messiah-blanks-dii-shippensburg-cross-division
^^^ Thanks.
games of 11/15/17
McDaniel 66, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 62
Marywood 80, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 69
Defiance 103, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 77
Northern Iowa (NCAA-D1) 72, Wartburg 43
Long Island (NCAA-D1) 104, New Rochelle 68
Fairleigh Dickinson (NCAA-D1) 111, FDU-Florham 49
Wilkes 83, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 58
Grinnell 153, Emmaus (other) 100
Green Mountain 63, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 44
Johnson State 79, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 63
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 108, Lyndon State 79
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 91, Lewis and Clark 90
Pacific Lutheran 92, Northwest Indian College (Other) 80
Puget Sound 92, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 80
Grove City 78, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 69
Eureka 117, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 52
Pfeiffer 137, Barber Scotia (Other) 100
games of 11/16/17:
Abilene Christian (NCAA-D1) 112, Howard Payne 62
Southern Virginia 68, Christendom (USCAA) 41
Chapman 82, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 67
Note, D3hoops scoreboard posted scores of Piedmont-Kennesaw St and Letourneau-Stephen F Austin games were exhibitions....
Games of 11/17/18
Villa Maria (uscaa) 98, Buffalo State 92
Lake Forest 101, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 76
Lycoming 94, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 84
Puget Sound 119, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 91
Hanover 103, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (uscaa) 49
Thomas 85, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 67
UW-Platteville 86, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 56
Thiel 71, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 52
Pitt-Greensburg 79, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 69
Southern Virginia 83, Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 69
Delaware (NCAA-D1) 93, Wesley 78
Grinnell 128, Wright State Lake (Other) 95
Occidental 89, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 47
Games of 11/18/17
Buffalo State 114, Point Park (NAIA-D2) 87
Rockford 88, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 74
DeSales 69, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 53
Pacific 87, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 74
Lesley 61, Unity (USCAA) 54
St. John's 73, St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 67
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 69, St. Scholastica 60
Thomas More 96, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (uscaa) 44
Maine-Presque Isle 85, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 71
UW-Whitewater 75, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 57
Westminster (Pa.) 99, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 61
Grinnell 153, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 115
SUNY-Cobleskill 91, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 68
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 89, Willamette 84
Central Michigan (NCAA-D1) 103, Eureka 68
MacMurray 97, Central Christian (NAIA-D2) 76
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 87, Northland 64
Berea 97, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 91
Games of 11/19
Unity (USCAA) 91, Rivier 79
Yale (NCAA-D1) 107, Curry 42
Northland 97, Oak hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 47
Pfeiffer 105, Barber Scotia (Other) 54
Through 11/19
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 7
NCAA-D2 1 1
NAIA-D1 0 0
NAIA-D2 8 4
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 5 0
USCAA 21 2
Other 5 0
Conference vs D3 non conference (games vs non D3 NOT INCLUDED) Thru 11/19
1 NESCAC 19 1 0.950
2 NWC 10 1 0.909
3 MWC 13 2 0.867
4 MIAC 13 4 0.765
5 ASC 13 5 0.722
6 Newmac 13 5 0.722
7 MACC 17 7 0.708
8 CCIW 12 5 0.706
9 IIAC 14 6 0.700
10 CAC 16 7 0.696
11 NCAC 14 7 0.667
12 WIAC 10 5 0.667
13 CC 15 8 0.652
14 LEC 11 7 0.611
15 CCC 14 9 0.609
16 NJAC 14 9 0.609
17 CSAC 12 9 0.571
18 UAA 8 6 0.571
19 ODAC 16 13 0.552
20 OAC 11 9 0.550
21 PrAC 11 9 0.550
22 LL 9 9 0.500
23 Independents 4 4 0.500
24 E8 10 11 0.476
25 MACF 8 9 0.471
26 Landmark 9 11 0.450
27 USAC 9 11 0.450
28 SCAC 8 10 0.444
29 SUNY 8 11 0.421
30 SAA 8 12 0.400
31 NECC 7 11 0.389
32 Sky 6 10 0.375
33 Mascac 7 12 0.368
34 HCAC 6 13 0.316
35 NEAC 10 22 0.313
36 AMCC 5 12 0.294
37 NACC 5 14 0.263
38 GNAC 6 17 0.261
39 CUNY 5 15 0.250
40 SLIAC 4 14 0.222
41 NAC 4 15 0.211
42 MIAA 3 12 0.200
43 AAIC 2 8 0.200
44 UMAC 2 16 0.111
45 SCIAC 1 9 0.100
Games of 11/20/17
Green Mountain 97, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 55
Vanguard (NAIA-D1) 67, Cal Lutheran 63
Occidental 81, Cal Miramar (Other) 46
Cazenovia 75, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 47
UW-La Crosse 73, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 69
Games of 11/21/17
Lubbock Christian (NCAA-D2) 81, Sul Ross State 63
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 107, Staten Island 64
Bluffton 79, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 58
Franklin 92, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 58
Drew 86, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 67
Loyola (Md.) (NCAA-D1) 97, Goucher 45
Wilkes 74, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 65
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 99, Olivet 84
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 97, Concordia-Moorhead 61
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 90, Penn State-Abington 83
Dean 70, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 67
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 81, Pacific Lutheran 66
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 91, Westminster (Pa.) 83
Biola (NAIA-D1) 70, Pomona-Pitzer 60
Eureka 111, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 74
Oakland City (NCAA-D2) 102, Fontbonne 87
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 84, Minnesota-Morris 77
High Point (NCAA-D1) 99, Methodist 63
Delaware (NCAA-D1) 88, North Carolina Wesleyan 70
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2017, 06:26:40 AM
Games of 11/21/17
Lubbock Christian (NCAA-D2) 81, Sul Ross State 63
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 107, Staten Island 64
Bluffton 79, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 58
Franklin 92, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 58
Drew 86, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 67
Loyola (Md.) (NCAA-D1) 97, Goucher 45
Wilkes 74, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 65
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 99, Olivet 84
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 97, Concordia-Moorhead 61
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 90, Penn State-Abington 83
Dean 70, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 67
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 81, Pacific Lutheran 66
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 91, Westminster (Pa.) 83
Biola (NAIA-D1) 70, Pomona-Pitzer 60
Eureka 111, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 74
Oakland City (NCAA-D2) 102, Fontbonne 87
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 84, Minnesota-Morris 77
High Point (NCAA-D1) 99, Methodist 63
Delaware (NCAA-D1) 88, North Carolina Wesleyan 70
Also, Mount St. Mary(NCAA-D1) 91, York(Pa) 80
Quote from: ronk on November 22, 2017, 08:25:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 22, 2017, 06:26:40 AM
Games of 11/21/17
Lubbock Christian (NCAA-D2) 81, Sul Ross State 63
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 107, Staten Island 64
Bluffton 79, Ohio Midwestern (USCAA) 58
Franklin 92, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 58
Drew 86, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 67
Loyola (Md.) (NCAA-D1) 97, Goucher 45
Wilkes 74, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 65
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 99, Olivet 84
Minnesota-Moorhead (NCAA-D2) 97, Concordia-Moorhead 61
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 90, Penn State-Abington 83
Dean 70, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 67
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 81, Pacific Lutheran 66
Youngstown State (NCAA-D1) 91, Westminster (Pa.) 83
Biola (NAIA-D1) 70, Pomona-Pitzer 60
Eureka 111, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 74
Oakland City (NCAA-D2) 102, Fontbonne 87
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 84, Minnesota-Morris 77
High Point (NCAA-D1) 99, Methodist 63
Delaware (NCAA-D1) 88, North Carolina Wesleyan 70
Also, Mount St. Mary(NCAA-D1) 91, York(Pa) 80
No, Ronk... that was an exhibition game, per York's site... it was reported to D3hoops incorrectly...
Games of 11/22/17
Sacred Heart (NCAA-D2) 84, Mitchell 60
Whitman 116, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 78
Remember guys... Augustana vs U of Illinois was an exhibition game for Augie... D3hoops needs to make correction as it is currently showing as real game counting against Augie's record....
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Games of 11/22/17
Sacred Heart (NCAA-D2) 84, Mitchell 60
Whitman 116, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 78
Remember guys... Augustana vs U of Illinois was an exhibition game for Augie... D3hoops needs to make correction as it is currently showing as real game counting against Augie's record....
I'll go make the change, but Augie doesn't have it marked as an exhibition either. It's in the recap, but nothing on the actual schedule to indicate it.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 23, 2017, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Games of 11/22/17
Sacred Heart (NCAA-D2) 84, Mitchell 60
Whitman 116, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 78
Remember guys... Augustana vs U of Illinois was an exhibition game for Augie... D3hoops needs to make correction as it is currently showing as real game counting against Augie's record....
I agree Ryan, about it not being marked as an exhibition on the schedule.. I caught it early because there are 26 games on their schedule, with U of I being the obvious choice for exhibition.. but I double checked this morning and saw the recap comment too...
I'll go make the change, but Augie doesn't have it marked as an exhibition either. It's in the recap, but nothing on the actual schedule to indicate it.
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Games of 11/22/17
Sacred Heart (NCAA-D2) 84, Mitchell 60
Whitman 116, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 78
Remember guys... Augustana vs U of Illinois was an exhibition game for Augie... D3hoops needs to make correction as it is currently showing as real game counting against Augie's record....
Sacred Heart is NCAA-D1, not D2. Sacred Heart competes in the NEC.
Quote from: deiscanton on November 23, 2017, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2017, 05:53:35 AM
Games of 11/22/17
Sacred Heart (NCAA-D2D1) 84, Mitchell 60
Whitman 116, Walla Walla (NAIA-D2) 78
Remember guys... Augustana vs U of Illinois was an exhibition game for Augie... D3hoops needs to make correction as it is currently showing as real game counting against Augie's record....
Sacred Heart is NCAA-D1, not D2. Sacred Heart competes in the NEC.
Thanks Desi... guess I was thinking back in the day!! Good grief, they went D1 in 1999!!!! Correction made
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2017, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on November 23, 2017, 09:48:06 AM
Sacred Heart is NCAA-D1, not D2. Sacred Heart competes in the NEC.
Thanks Desi... guess I was thinking back in the day!! Good grief, they went D1 in 1999!!!! Correction made
I blame Mitchell:
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Games of 11/24/17
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 78, Calvin 73
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 88, Hope 61
Mass-Boston 61, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 57
Wartburg 78, Graceland (NAIA-D1) 71
Chapman 84, Cal Merced (NAIA-D2) 57
Dallas Baptist (NCAA-D2) 103, Concordia (Texas) 90
Games of 11/25/17
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 88, Calvin 59
Hope 89, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 83
Emerson 94, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 71
Wartburg 78, Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 67
Cal Merced (NAIA-D2) 77, Whittier 75
Grinnell 147, Kansas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 106
Pacific 101, Multnomah (NAIA-D2) 88
Games of 11/26
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 76, Valley Forge 72
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 62, McDaniel 61
Grand View (NAIA-D1) 78, Simpson 69
Boston University (NCAA-D1) 83, Wheaton (Mass.) 48
St. Vincent 86, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 66
Longwood (NCAA-D1) 107, North Carolina Wesleyan 78
Through 11/26
NCAA D3 Versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 15
NCAA-D2 1 6
NAIA-D1 1 3
NAIA-D2 17 10
NCCAA-D1 1 0
NCCAA-D2 7 0
USCAA 28 5
Other 6 0
Conference vs NCAA D3 non conference (Non D3 games not included)
1 NWC 25 4 0.862
2 NESCAC 34 6 0.850
3 CCIW 25 10 0.714
4 WIAC 22 9 0.710
5 NCAC 24 10 0.706
6 MIAC 20 9 0.690
7 CC 19 10 0.655
8 MWC 19 10 0.655
9 Newmac 19 10 0.655
10 NJAC 20 11 0.645
11 MACC 26 15 0.634
12 IIAC 23 14 0.622
13 CAC 20 13 0.606
14 UAA 20 13 0.606
15 ODAC 25 19 0.568
16 ASC 18 14 0.563
17 CSAC 18 14 0.563
18 SCAC 19 16 0.543
19 OAC 20 17 0.541
20 CCC 21 18 0.538
21 LEC 17 15 0.531
22 SUNY 14 13 0.519
23 LL 15 15 0.500
24 Independents 8 8 0.500
25 USAC 17 18 0.486
26 E8 15 18 0.455
27 PrAC 14 18 0.438
28 Landmark 12 16 0.429
29 AMCC 14 19 0.424
30 NECC 11 15 0.423
31 Mascac 13 18 0.419
32 MACF 13 19 0.406
33 Sky 9 15 0.375
34 HCAC 11 20 0.355
35 NAC 9 19 0.321
36 MIAA 8 17 0.320
37 SAA 11 24 0.314
38 NEAC 16 35 0.314
39 SLIAC 11 26 0.297
40 GNAC 10 25 0.286
41 NACC 7 19 0.269
42 CUNY 8 23 0.258
43 UMAC 8 24 0.250
44 AAIC 5 15 0.250
45 SCIAC 3 20 0.130434783
Games of 11/27/17
Concordia (Texas) 99, St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D1) 97
UT-Arlington (NCAA-D1) 73, Texas-Dallas 53
St. Elizabeth 79, King's College NY (USCAA) 54
Linfield 79, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 66
Virginia Wesleyan 114, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 86
Berry 106, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 53
I should know this, but... these are games that only count? Or are these counting exhibition games as well?
No exhibitions.... ;)
Thanks... was just curious more than anything.
Games of 11/28/17
SUNY-Canton 80, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 73
Maranatha Baptist 103, Dayspring Bible (Other) 51
Lindenwood (Mo) (NCAA-D2) 83, Beloit 58
Lawrence 83, Silver Lake (USCAA) 65
Millersville (NCAA-D2) 114, Penn State-Berks 68
Pacific 79, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 73
Pacific Lutheran 78, Multnomah (NAIA-D2) 66
Chapman 90, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 75
Occidental 88, Westcliff (Other) 67
Pomona-Pitzer 97, Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 74
Buffalo State 92, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 79
Crown 81, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 59
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 82, Minnesota-Morris 72
Berea 86, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 66
Earlham wins an absolute barnburner, edging past Faithhaven Baptist 110-17. Baptist kept it close as it was only 66-4 at halftime.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2017, 08:31:47 PM
Earlham wins an absolute barnburner, edging past Faithhaven Baptist 110-17. Baptist kept it close as it was only 66-4 at halftime.
When you lose to Earlham(!!) by 93 points, you SHOULD have sense enough to go back under your rock! :o
I saw Earlham last winter, very young then and much more talented than you might guess. They've been competitive in every game thus far vs D3.
Fairhaven Baptist not so much. Although Fairhaven did open its season against a correctional institution team so they've got that going for them. http://www.fairhavenbaptistcollege.org/student-life/athletics/basketball
Fairhaven only took 30 shots, mostly because they turned the ball over 45 times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEeoF_t4sfQ
Fairhaven has some...issues. While this is about the church and academy, not the college, it's still part of the same boat.
This year they had a kid drown in the pool there.
Games of 11/29/17
Villa Maria (uscaa) 79, Houghton 73
Earlham 110, Fairhaven Baptist (Other) 17
Bard 95, Vaughn (USCAA) 57
UC Irvine (NCAA-D1) 112, Whittier 65
Warren Wilson (USCAA) 108, Brevard 92
Game of 11/30/17
Coast Guard 81, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 75
Maine-Presque Isle 75, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 58
St. Francis (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 104, New Rochelle 79
Crown 79, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 40
Games of 12/1/17
North Carolina Wesleyan 103, Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 59
Centenary (La.) 111, Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 109
Occidental 76, Cal Miramar (Other) 66
Games of 12/2/17
Greensboro 94, Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 72
New Rochelle 104, The New School (Other) 45
Maranatha Baptist 89, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 44
University of Dallas 82, Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 65
Cal State Fullerton (NCAA-D1) 86, Cal Lutheran 58
Chapman 71, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 84, Cal Miramar (Other) 65
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 70, Pomona-Pitzer 69
Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 97, Martin Luther 81
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 112, Minnesota-Morris 89
North Central (Minn.) 66, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 62
UW-Platteville 87, Silver Lake (USCAA) 48
Game of 12/3/17
New Rochelle 105, Culinary Institute (Other) 64
D3 w/l through 12/3/17
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 19
NCAA-D2 1 8
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 23 13
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 15 1
USCAA 37 7
Other 13 0
D3 vs Non Conference D3 opponents:
1 NESCAC 49 9 0.845
2 NWC 25 5 0.833
3 WIAC 34 11 0.756
4 MIAC 22 10 0.688
5 CCIW 28 13 0.683
6 NCAC 27 13 0.675
7 Newmac 33 17 0.660
8 MWC 19 10 0.655
9 NJAC 22 12 0.647
10 CC 21 12 0.636
11 IIAC 24 14 0.632
12 MACC 27 16 0.628
13 CAC 20 13 0.606
14 ODAC 31 23 0.574
15 OAC 25 19 0.568
16 UAA 26 20 0.565
17 CSAC 19 15 0.559
18 ASC 23 19 0.548
19 CCC 21 18 0.538
20 LEC 22 20 0.524
21 Independents 11 10 0.523809524
22 SCAC 23 21 0.523
23 SUNY 19 18 0.514
24 USAC 23 24 0.489
25 E8 21 22 0.488
26 LL 18 19 0.486
27 MACF 20 25 0.444
28 PrAC 14 18 0.438
29 Mascac 22 29 0.431
30 NECC 18 24 0.429
31 Landmark 15 20 0.429
32 AMCC 14 21 0.400
33 Sky 12 19 0.387
34 SAA 17 29 0.370
35 NAC 11 21 0.344
36 HCAC 13 26 0.333
37 MIAA 12 25 0.324
38 AAIC 9 20 0.310
39 NEAC 17 38 0.309
40 SLIAC 11 26 0.297
41 GNAC 14 36 0.280
42 CUNY 11 29 0.275
43 NACC 7 20 0.259
44 UMAC 10 33 0.233
45 SCIAC 5 23 0.179
Games of 12/4/17
Southwest (N.M.) (NAIA-D1) 89, Sul Ross State 80
Nebraska Wesleyan 107, Doane (NAIA-D2) 80
Maranatha Baptist 95, Emmaus (other) 53
Trine 103, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 67
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 57, Cazenovia 53
Quote from: hopefan on December 03, 2017, 08:27:14 PM
Game of 12/3/17
New Rochelle 105, Culinary Institute (Other) 64
D3 w/l through 12/3/17
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 19
NCAA-D2 1 8
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 23 13
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 15 1
USCAA 37 7
Other 13 0
D3 vs Non Conference D3 opponents:
1 NESCAC 49 9 0.845
2 NWC 25 5 0.833
3 WIAC 34 11 0.756
4 MIAC 22 10 0.688
5 CCIW 28 13 0.683
6 NCAC 27 13 0.675
7 Newmac 33 17 0.660
8 MWC 19 10 0.655
9 NJAC 22 12 0.647
10 CC 21 12 0.636
11 IIAC 24 14 0.632
12 MACC 27 16 0.628
13 CAC 20 13 0.606
14 ODAC 31 23 0.574
15 OAC 25 19 0.568
16 UAA 26 20 0.565
17 CSAC 19 15 0.559
18 ASC 23 19 0.548
19 CCC 21 18 0.538
20 LEC 22 20 0.524
21 Independents 11 10 0.523809524
22 SCAC 23 21 0.523
23 SUNY 19 18 0.514
24 USAC 23 24 0.489
25 E8 21 22 0.488
26 LL 18 19 0.486
27 MACF 20 25 0.444
28 PrAC 14 18 0.438
29 Mascac 22 29 0.431
30 NECC 18 24 0.429
31 Landmark 15 20 0.429
32 AMCC 14 21 0.400
33 Sky 12 19 0.387
34 SAA 17 29 0.370
35 NAC 11 21 0.344
36 HCAC 13 26 0.333
37 MIAA 12 25 0.324
38 AAIC 9 20 0.310
39 NEAC 17 38 0.309
40 SLIAC 11 26 0.297
41 GNAC 14 36 0.280
42 CUNY 11 29 0.275
43 NACC 7 20 0.259
44 UMAC 10 33 0.233
45 SCIAC 5 23 0.179
First of all thank you hopefan for this info. +1
Anyway this year I am very pleased with the CSAC teams with their OOC record. It took a little bit to find this but I found it on another page. Last year at this time (12-4-16 to be exact) the CSAC was 13-19 .406 against D3 non-conference. This year they are now 21-15 .583 as of 12-4-17. It's still to early to say the conference is going to be over .500. But last year they finished 28-34 .452. So the record got better as the year went on.
GO CSAC!!
Mailsy... great idea... here is a comparison for all conferences..D3 vs Non conference D3
Thru 12/4/16 last season Thru 12/3/17 Current Season
1 NESCAC 51 14 0.785 1 NESCAC 49 9 0.845
2 UAA 36 13 0.735 2 NWC 25 5 0.833
3 WIAC 29 11 0.725 3 WIAC 34 11 0.756
4 IIAC 25 11 0.694 4 MIAC 22 10 0.688
5 OAC 31 16 0.660 5 CCIW 28 13 0.683
6 Landmark 24 13 0.649 6 NCAC 27 13 0.675
7 MIAC 24 13 0.649 7 Newmac 33 17 0.660
8 CCIW 27 15 0.643 8 MWC 19 10 0.655
9 Newmac 32 18 0.640 9 NJAC 22 12 0.647
10 LL 33 21 0.611 10 CC 21 12 0.636
11 CAC 24 16 0.600 11 IIAC 24 14 0.632
12 LEC 25 17 0.595 12 MACC 27 16 0.628
13 SCIAC 13 9 0.591 13 CAC 20 13 0.606
14 CC 17 12 0.586 14 ODAC 31 23 0.574
15 SUNY 24 17 0.585 15 OAC 25 19 0.568
16 MACC 21 15 0.583 16 UAA 26 20 0.565
17 NWC 15 11 0.577 17 CSAC 19 15 0.559
18 MACF 24 18 0.571 18 ASC 23 19 0.548
19 ASC 20 15 0.571 19 CCC 21 18 0.538
20 HCAC 20 16 0.556 20 LEC 22 20 0.524
21 NAC 19 17 0.528 21 Independents 11 10 0.523809524
22 E8 27 25 0.519 22 SCAC 23 21 0.523
23 ODAC 26 26 0.500 23 SUNY 19 18 0.514
24 PrAC 17 18 0.486 24 USAC 23 24 0.489
25 NJAC 15 16 0.484 25 E8 21 22 0.488
26 SAA 20 22 0.476 26 LL 18 19 0.486
27 NCAC 19 23 0.452 27 MACF 20 25 0.444
28 CCC 18 22 0.450 28 PrAC 14 18 0.438
29 MIAA 18 22 0.450 29 Mascac 22 29 0.431
30 USAC 25 31 0.446 30 NECC 18 24 0.429
31 SLIAC 17 23 0.425 31 Landmark 15 20 0.429
32 CSAC 13 19 0.406 32 AMCC 14 21 0.400
33 MWC 10 16 0.385 33 Sky 12 19 0.387
34 SCAC 17 30 0.362 34 SAA 17 29 0.370
35 CUNY 13 26 0.333 35 NAC 11 21 0.344
36 NECC 13 26 0.333 36 HCAC 13 26 0.333
37 NACC 10 22 0.313 37 MIAA 12 25 0.324
38 Mascac 13 30 0.302 38 AAIC 9 20 0.310
39 AMCC 12 28 0.300 39 NEAC 17 38 0.309
40 Sky 14 34 0.292 40 SLIAC 11 26 0.297
41 Independents 16 43 0.271 41 GNAC 14 36 0.280
42 UMAC 9 25 0.265 42 CUNY 11 29 0.275
43 GNAC 10 28 0.263 43 NACC 7 20 0.259
44 NEAC 8 31 0.205 44 UMAC 10 33 0.233
45 SCIAC 5 23 0.179
games of 12/5/17
Maine (NCAA-D1) 75, Maine-Presque Isle 55
Hope 88, Grace Bible (NCCAA-D2) 74
Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 74, Concordia-Moorhead 57
Fontbonne 97, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D1) 86
Montreat (NAIA-D2) 103, Brevard 78
games of 12/6/17
Penn State York (USCAA) 81, Valley Forge 68
Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 75, Clarks Summit 70
Moravian 81, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 65
Kalamazoo 81, St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D2) 60
Lewis and Clark 88, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 80
Linfield 69, Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 66
Games of 12/7/17
Alfred State 78, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 49
Johnson and Wales 74, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 63
Webster 89, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 65
North Central (Minn.) 119, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 116
Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 91, Berea 89
UW-Stout 94, Silver Lake (USCAA) 59
Thank you for doing this, hopefan. I really like this thread.
Glad it's appreciated TQ... easily achieved with my spreadsheet...
BY THE WAY .... the weekly standings of D3 conference vs D3 non conference will be moving to the appropriate thread "Records of D3 conference vs non-conference games" this weekend... I had forgotten that a separate thread for that had been created last year...
Games of 12/8/17
Eastern Mennonite 112, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 84
Juniata 90, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 54
King's 104, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 72
Maranatha Baptist 89, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 59
Lewis and Clark 119, Northwest Indian College (Other) 70
Corban (NAIA-D2) 86, Willamette 73
West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 82, Occidental 77
Games of 12/9/17
Bridgewater (Va.) 82, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 73
Misericordia 102, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 77
Susquehanna 89, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 57
Maranatha Baptist 60, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 57
Southern Virginia 88, Carolina Christian (Other) 59
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 71, Albion 56
Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 65, Linfield 55
Willamette 90, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 73
Vanguard (NAIA-D1) 80, Cal Lutheran 73
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 81, Houghton 75
Games of 12/10/17
Maine-Presque Isle 80, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 72
Rivier 99, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 72
New Rochelle 87, Touro (Other) 71
Willamette 103, Northwest Indian College (Other) 74
Sarah Lawrence 85, Pratt (USCAA) 64
Pfeiffer 129, Carolina Christian (Other) 73
D3 record through Dec 10, 2017
D3 vs
W L
NCAA-D1 0 20
NCAA-D2 1 8
NAIA-D1 3 6
NAIA-D2 29 19
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 21 2
USCAA 49 11
Other 18 0
no games 12/11/17
Games of 12/12
Maryland (NCAA-D1) 76, Catholic 59
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 76, Olivet 50
Illinois College 95, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 85
Lakeland 107, Silver Lake (USCAA) 71
I didn't get to see the Catholic game but the score looked surprisingly competitive in the first half. Did Maryland play their regular rotation?
According to the newspaper report, MD was missing 3 with injuries but everyone else played. Catholic led for 1st 10 mins.
Games of 12/13/17
Southern Vermont 78, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 64
Point (NAIA-D2) 87, Berry 80
UW-Eau Claire 64, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 44
Game of 12/14/17..... and it was UGLY
Central 110, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 37
Of course long time fans remember that Faith Baptist Bible was the opponent to Grinnell several years ago when Grinnell's Jack Taylor ran up 138 points in one game...
So I went to Faith's site to see how things were going, given a lopsided score against Central... things aren't quite as bad as one might expect, as Faith has rung up 2 wins this season... One of those was against Union College... not the D3 Union College of Schenectady NY, but the 7th Day Adventist Union College of Omaha, Nebraska... And Faith hammered them, 56-39....heck, Little Priest Tribal College hammered Union College, 88-51!!! Yes Union College might be an interesting school to follow, as they enter Christmas break at 0-12....
Little Priest Tribal College is a real school! Wow.
Games of 12/15/17
Mount St. Mary's (NCAA-D1) 89, Washington College 67
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 76, Luther 75
Adrian 85, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 61
Wilson 98, Christendom (USCAA) 43
Games of 12/16
Rochester (Mich.) (USCAA) 77, Finlandia 64
Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 69, Pacific Lutheran 64
Centre 97, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 56
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps NA, Westmont (NAIA-D1) NA Cancelled, Wildfires.... so sad what's happening out there
Pomona-Pitzer 85, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 75
Game of 12/17/17
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 78, Morrisville State 74
D3 record through games of 12/17/17:
D3 Vs :
W L
NCAA-D1 0 22
NCAA-D2 1 8
NAIA-D1 3 6
NAIA-D2 32 22
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 24 3
USCAA 51 13
Other 19 0
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 05:39:57 AM
Game of 12/17/17
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 78, Morrisville State 74
Well, hello, Delhi...
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 05:39:57 AM
Game of 12/17/17
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 78, Morrisville State 74
Well, hello, Delhi...
of extremely minor note, unlike the city in India, the small upstate New York mountain town is pronounced "DEL-high."
Quote from: Caz Bombers on December 18, 2017, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on December 18, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2017, 05:39:57 AM
Game of 12/17/17
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 78, Morrisville State 74
And as I'd imagine few readers of this thread, if any, have ever been to SUNY Delhi, I'll let you know they have one of the most picturesque sites for a small college gym that I've ever seen.. on top of a very, very steep hill overlooking the campus and town, with a 360 degree view of God's country... mountains and forests... it is stunning... I believe Delhi is in the initial stages of applying to become D3... they've already shown they can compete with NEAC schools... remember, this was a 2 year school, a JC team, only several years ago....
Well, hello, Delhi...
of extremely minor note, unlike the city in India, the small upstate New York mountain town is pronounced "DEL-high."
SUNY Delhi is an exploratory member of D3 so we may all get to know the Broncos better in a couple years
And, yes, I had to look up the mascot. :)
Games of 12/18/17
Rose-Hulman 96, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 70
Lafayette (NCAA-D1) 82, Susquehanna 70
Puget Sound NA, Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) NA Cancelled due to train wreck disaster
St. Francis (Pa.) (NCAA-D1) 113, Bethany 77
Hope International (NAIA-D1) 84, Redlands 43
Games of 12/19/17
Simpson 84, Ave Maria (NAIA-D2) 78
New Rochelle NA, Touro (Other) NA not posted... let's see if it shows up later
Shippensburg (NCAA-D2) 92, Wilson 66
St. Thomas (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 116, Mitchell 59
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 111, Iowa Wesleyan 68
Quote from: hopefan on December 20, 2017, 05:14:17 AM
Games of 12/19/17
Simpson 84, Ave Maria (NAIA-D2) 78
New Rochelle NA, Touro (Other) NA not posted... let's see if it shows up later
Shippensburg (NCAA-D2) 92, Wilson 66
St. Thomas (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 116, Mitchell 59
St. Cloud State (NCAA-D2) 111, Iowa Wesleyan 68
New Rochelle won 85-62
Thanks Caz ;)
Strangely, New Rochelle plays Touro 3 games in a row, spread from Dec 10 to Jan 5... that's 2 for 2 for CNR.... Ad lots of luck finding out anything about Touro's team... I found several home games listed under athletics, and that was it...
Games of 12/20/17
Alvernia 77, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 59
Kalamazoo 63, Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 53
Lewis and Clark 77, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 65
Louisiana-Monroe (NCAA-D1) 74, Centenary (La.) 51
No more Games vs NON-D3 teams until 12/28
D3 W/L through 12/21/17:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 25
NCAA-D2 1 10
NAIA-D1 3 7
NAIA-D2 34 23
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 26 3
USCAA 52 13
Other 20 0
Games of 12/28
Angelo State (NCAA-D2) 91, McMurry 54
Adrian 64, Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 51
IPFW (NCAA-D1) 99, Olivet 93
Quote from: hopefan on December 29, 2017, 06:08:45 AM
Games of 12/28
Angelo State (NCAA-D2) 91, McMurry 54
Adrian 64, Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 51
IPFW (NCAA-D1) 99, Olivet 93
Olivet was winning at halftime and thus almost had a transitive win over Indiana, and in turn, Notre Dame.
Games of 12/29/17
Bluffton 94, OSU Lima (Other) 57
Wright State Lake (Other) 67, Defiance 61
Lake Forest 87, Roosevelt (NAIA-D2) 71
Wittenberg 95, Ohio University-Chillicothe (Other) 46
games of 12/30/17
Pitt-Greensburg 93, OSU Lima (Other) 55
Waynesburg 62, Wright State Lake (Other) 59
St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D2) 84, Lake Forest 55
Hanover 93, Ohio University-Chillicothe (Other) 54
North Central (Ill.) 117, Robert Morris (Chicago) (NAIA-D2) 72
Binghamton (NCAA-D1) 113, Elmira 65
Florida National (USCAA) 84, Emmanuel 69
Clarke (NAIA-D1) 77, Dubuque 74
Southeastern (NAIA-D2) 76, Amherst 65
Ashland (NCAA-D2) 82, Thiel 53
Occidental 63, Cal Merced (NAIA-D2) 49
Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 88, Eureka 65
Standings thru 1/1/18
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 27
NCAA-D2 1 13
NAIA-D1 3 8
NAIA-D2 38 25
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 26 3
USCAA 52 14
Other 25 1
Games of 1/3/18
Haverford 93, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 80
Johnson & Wales (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 73, Emmanuel 72
DePauw 103, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 57
Game of 1/4/18
Wilson 78, Penn State York (USCAA) 65
Game of 1/5/18
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 96, Bryn Athyn 88
Games of 1/6/18
Maine-Presque Isle 76, New Brunswick-St. John (Other) 58
UC Santa Cruz 103, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 69
Games of 1/7/18
Maine-Presque Isle 95, New Brunswick-St. John (Other) 61
MacMurray 116, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 87
Win/Loss through 1/7/18
D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 27
NCAA-D2 1 13
NAIA-D1 3 8
NAIA-D2 38 26
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 28 3
USCAA 57 16
Other 25 0
Points of interest
Closest scores to NCAA-D1
Olivet 93 IPFW 99
Westminster (Pa.) 83 Youngstown State 91
Win over NCAA-D2
St. John's (Minn.) 73 St Cloud State 67
Loss to Other
Defiance 61 Wright State Lake 67 noted that Wright State Lake is USCAA... W/L above has been corrected
Have to defend the HCAC... isn't Wright St-Lake a USCAA team?
Games of 1/8/18
Alfred State 69, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 61
UC Santa Cruz 81, Simpson (Calif.) (NAIA-D2) 76
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on January 08, 2018, 08:48:21 PM
Have to defend the HCAC... isn't Wright St-Lake a USCAA team?
Good catch Griz... I missed it...Have corrected
Games of 1/9/18
Maranatha Baptist 77, Dayspring Bible (Other) 62
Alvernia 77, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 72
Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 100, Penn College 91
Connecticut College 79, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 70
Sewanee 83, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 63
Johnson & Wales (Col.) (NAIA-D2) 88, Colorado College 78
Games of 1/10
New Rochelle NA, Davis (uscaa) NA not reported, check later
UC Santa Cruz 94, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 65
Southwestern Adventist (Other) 59, University of Dallas 56
http://cnrathletics.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=1056
94-66
Games of 1/11/18
Johnson State 92, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 67
Pfeiffer 120, Columbia International (NCCAA-D1) 68
Game of 1/12/18
Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 70, Alfred State 61
Games of 1/13/18
Finlandia 97, Bay College (other) 77
New Rochelle NA, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) NA once again CNR does not give timely report
Illinois Tech 100, Robert Morris-Springfield (USCAA) 60
Pfeiffer 124, Carolina Christian (Other) 66
Nothing on the Mighty Oaks website either. Did it happen?
Out there now
C of New Rochelle. 97 SUNY ESF. 74
Games of 1/15/18
Alfred State 92, Pratt (USCAA) 43
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 56, Maine-Presque Isle 51
Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 83, UC Santa Cruz 74
Game of 1/16/18
Thomas 108, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 82
Game of 1/17/18
Roosevelt (NAIA-D2) 65, Illinois Tech 56
Game of 1/18/18
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 64, Maranatha Baptist 56
Games of 1/20/18
Finlandia 96, Silver Lake (USCAA) 84
New Rochelle 75, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 64
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 91, Massachusetts College 73
Game of 1/21/18
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 78, Alfred State 67
Games of 1/22/18
Newbury 77, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 67
Williams 104, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 49
Games of 1/23/18
SUNY-Canton 68, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 65
Penn St. Mont Alto (USCAA) 74, Valley Forge 73
New Rochelle NA, Vaughn (USCAA) NA................................This is usual for New Rochelle.... They'll post it later today...5th time this season
New Rochelle 86 Vaughn 75
Maranatha Baptist 98, Emmaus (other) 65
Minnesota-Morris 111, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 48
North Central (Minn.) 92, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 66
Games of 1/24/18
Maine-Presque Isle 71, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 57
SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 69, SUNY-Cobleskill 57
Games of 1/25/18
Maine-Presque Isle 97, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 84
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 86, Valley Forge 82
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70, UC Santa Cruz 68
Quote from: hopefan on January 26, 2018, 04:54:29 AM
Games of 1/25/18
Maine-Presque Isle 97, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 84
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 86, Valley Forge 82
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70, UC Santa Cruz 68
Do you go to the team website for all of these? I'm just curious because our scoreboard had the UCSC score reversed, because the La Sierra livestats has (and still has) it reversed. I'm just admiring your tenacity.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2018, 06:57:48 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 26, 2018, 04:54:29 AM
Games of 1/25/18
Maine-Presque Isle 97, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 84
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 86, Valley Forge 82
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70, UC Santa Cruz 68
Do you go to the team website for all of these? I'm just curious because our scoreboard had the UCSC score reversed, because the La Sierra livestats has (and still has) it reversed. I'm just admiring your tenacity.
?? right off the D3hoops scoreboard... though downloaded into my spreadsheet for easy formatting....that's the score that was there when I posted it early this morning....
Quote from: hopefan on January 26, 2018, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2018, 06:57:48 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 26, 2018, 04:54:29 AM
Games of 1/25/18
Maine-Presque Isle 97, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 84
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 86, Valley Forge 82
La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 70, UC Santa Cruz 68
Do you go to the team website for all of these? I'm just curious because our scoreboard had the UCSC score reversed, because the La Sierra livestats has (and still has) it reversed. I'm just admiring your tenacity.
?? right off the D3hoops scoreboard... though downloaded into my spreadsheet for easy formatting....that's the score that was there when I posted it early this morning....
Maybe the UCSC SID went in and changed it? Well, I'm glad to know my mistake didn't linger.
Games of 1/26/18
SUNY-Canton 106, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 68
McMurry 82, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 68
Games of 1/27/18
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 95, Concordia-Chicago 87
Alfred State 102, Five Towns College (USCAA) 64
Illinois Tech 66, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 51
Note Concordia Wis. lost to Concordia Mi. in the Concordia Tourney, but that was an exhibition game for Concordia Wisconsin....
Games of 1/28/18
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 81, Maine-Presque Isle 65
New Rochelle 93, Pratt (USCAA) 44
Game of 1/29/18
University of Dallas 103, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 72
Games of 1/30/18
Belhaven 105, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 77
Berea 118, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 113
Game of 1/31/18
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 82, Maine-Presque Isle 64
Game of 2/1/18
Pine Manor 66, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 51
Game of 2/2/18
North Central (Minn.) 77, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 65
Games of 2/3/18
Bay College (other) 96, Finlandia 76
Maine-Presque Isle 78, Unity (USCAA) 56
Maranatha Baptist 85, Silver Lake (USCAA) 77
UC Santa Cruz 80, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 63
Game of 2/4/18
New Rochelle 88, The New School (Other) 48
Game of 2/5/18
UC Santa Cruz 91, Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 66
Games of 2/6/18
North Park 87, East-West (Other) 71
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 77, Maranatha Baptist 72
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2018, 05:16:34 AM
Games of 2/6/18
North Park 87, East-West (Other) 71
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 77, Maranatha Baptist 72
What happened to the students from North-South?
Quote from: ronk on February 07, 2018, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: hopefan on February 07, 2018, 05:16:34 AM
Games of 2/6/18
North Park 87, East-West (Other) 71
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 77, Maranatha Baptist 72
What happened to the students from North-South?
Too busy doing Civil War reenactments
Games of 2/7/18
Villa Maria (uscaa) 76, Alfred State 70
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 97, New Rochelle 88
Illinois Tech 84, Robert Morris-Peoria (USCAA) 74
Game of 2/9/18
New Rochelle 90, King's College NY (USCAA) 34
Games of 2/10/18
Alfred State 83, SUNY-Delhi (USCAA) 66
Silver Lake (USCAA) 71, Finlandia 69
Maine-Presque Isle 85, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 82
Illinois Tech 69, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 51
Maranatha Baptist 70, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 69
Game of 2/11/18
UC Santa Cruz 79, Simpson (Calif.) (NAIA-D2) 65
Games of 2/12
McMurry 95, Ecclesia (NCCAA-D1) 77
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 91, Newbury 87
Games of 2/14/18
Washington Adventist (NAIA-D2) 77, Valley Forge 70
Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 70, Green Mountain 66
Games of 2/15/18
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 88, Maine-Presque Isle 60
Games of 2/17/18
Villa Maria (uscaa) 81, Valley Forge 72
New Rochelle 84, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 66
Maranatha Baptist 77, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 59
Game of 2/18/18
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 93, New Rochelle 82
Will you be posting the final W/L records of D3 vs these other divisions?
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Will you be posting the final W/L records of D3 vs these other divisions?
Yes... but after final regular season games are played (the last one being today, 2/20, with Illinois Tech playing East-West), we have to check on the NCCAA and USCAA tourneys next week to see if any dual membership D3 teams are playing....
Game on 2/19/18
Pfeiffer 125, Piedmont International (NCCAA-D2) 94
Quote from: hopefan on February 20, 2018, 04:53:31 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Will you be posting the final W/L records of D3 vs these other divisions?
Yes... but after final regular season games are played (the last one being today, 2/20, with Illinois Tech playing East-West), we have to check on the NCCAA and USCAA tourneys next week to see if any dual membership D3 teams are playing....
Thanks. I find this very interesting and appreciate the work you do to gather and post the scores and W/L records.
Score of 2/20/18
Illinois Tech 78, East-West (Other) 42
NCAA D3 teams Illinois Tech and Dean College will be taking part in this year's USCAA D1 Tourney... the Tourney opens on Feb 28, runs thru March 3... each team gets at least two games..... Illinois Tech is seeded #4, Dean College #7 in the 8 team field.....
Maranatha Baptist is participating in the NCCAA North regionals, beginning today, Feb.22.... they are the 2nd seed in the region, and open vs Calvary Bible...
A different level, but no less the spirited competition that leads to a national championship....
Maranatha wins their NCCAA Regional game, 89-65 over Calvary Bible.... a win for D3!!!!! Maranatha plays again today vs Emmaus in regional semifinals...
Maranatha Baptist 100, Emmaus 60
Maranatha to regional final
Quote from: hopefan on February 24, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Maranatha Baptist 100, Emmaus 60
Maranatha to regional final
Playing the winner of Nazareth-Bethlehem? ;D
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 24, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Maranatha Baptist 100, Emmaus 60
Maranatha to regional final
Playing the winner of Nazareth-Bethlehem? ;D
I like the Jericho-Caesarea Philippi winner on the other side of that bracket.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2018, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: hopefan on February 24, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Maranatha Baptist 100, Emmaus 60
Maranatha to regional final
Playing the winner of Nazareth-Bethlehem? ;D
I like the Jericho-Caesarea Philippi winner on the other side of that bracket.
Ur vs. Uz was a game for the ages...
Maranatha wins the NCCAA D2 Northern Regional, 85-57 over Oak Hills Christian... prayers were said for you naysayers after the game!!! ;D ;D
NCAA D3 teams go 1-3 in the USCAA National Tourney
Rochester (Mich.) (USCAA) 72 , Illinois Tech 62
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 80, Dean 71
Florida College (USCAA) 89, Dean 80
Illinois Tech 71, Bluefield State (USCAA) 51
I'd also note that several D3 players received All American honors from the USCAA
First-Team All-Americans
Spencer Levi University of Dallas
Brock Butler Iowa Wesleyan College
Jake Digiorgio Illinois Tech
Second-Team All-Amerians
Jordan Booker Dean College
Alex Sanchez University of Valley Forge
Max Hisatake Illinois Tech
Honorable Mention All-Americans
Mitchell Drey Iowa Wesleyan College
Darrius Colvin University of Dallas
Armani Baker Dean College
Malik Howze Illinois Tech
Maranatha Baptist opens up in the NCCAA National Championship Tourney vs Johnson Tennessee on March 8
OK, hate to admit it, but..
As some of you know, I have changed residence from the heart of SLIAC-land. to the D3 wasteland of Florida, where no D3 is to be found save the holiday tourneys of December, just when I'm back up in SLIAC land enjoying Family and friends.. so while My dedication to D3 is obvious (see the several boards I post to regularly), I have also gained a certain amount of appreciation for the D2 program at Eckerd (a school that by size and facilities would be a perfect fit for D3)... so after following the first round of the D3 tourney on the computer tonight (nothing like trying to follow 8 games at once), tomorrow I'll travel over to Florida Southern College in Lakeland Florida to watch Sunshine State Conference Men's and Women's semis.. 4 games back to back, Eckerd seeded no 2 in both tourneys...$5 all day pass for seniors...
AND, I'll be following 2nd round D3 on my phone as long as the batteries hold out!!!!
Really do miss D3
Glad you've found a home away from home in the hoops world. We miss you up here. Will mrshopefan accompany you to Lakeland?
Mrs hopefan, while actually becoming quite the Eckard fan, has requested and been granted a bye for the day in order to babysit Annie... little does she realize that if Eckard wins both semis, hopefan may want to return to Lakeland for Sunday finals.
Score of 3/8/18
Maranatha goes down in first round of NCCAA championship... it appears they still get two more games....
Maranatha Baptist 73 Johnson (Tenn.) 90 Final
Quote from: hopefan on March 02, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
OK, hate to admit it, but..
As some of you know, I have changed residence from the heart of SLIAC-land. to the D3 wasteland of Florida, where no D3 is to be found save the holiday tourneys of December, just when I'm back up in SLIAC land enjoying Family and friends.. so while My dedication to D3 is obvious (see the several boards I post to regularly), I have also gained a certain amount of appreciation for the D2 program at Eckerd (a school that by size and facilities would be a perfect fit for D3)... so after following the first round of the D3 tourney on the computer tonight (nothing like trying to follow 8 games at once), tomorrow I'll travel over to Florida Southern College in Lakeland Florida to watch Sunshine State Conference Men's and Women's semis.. 4 games back to back, Eckerd seeded no 2 in both tourneys...$5 all day pass for seniors...
AND, I'll be following 2nd round D3 on my phone as long as the batteries hold out!!!!
Really do miss D3
I feel ya. Working at a D2 school I've really got a handle on the D2 world out West. There are D3 schools out here in the state, but the closest ones are Walla Walla (and that's not a football school) or Tacoma, and in the winter going west could be dicey, plus the Mrs. wants to spend money on things like musicals and Comic Con. (OK, I do too...) She's not enough of a sports fan to just go to a game - she has to have a compelling rooting interest (and even then, she's quite superstitious and loud) - or she's helping out as my stats caller.
I also lived near Boca Raton for 1 1/2 years, I did get to see one D3 football game (well, half of one), when Birmingham Southern played at Ave Maria.
Thanks to the interwebs, we're not on outposts, really!
Score of 3/9/18
Maranatha Baptist 85 Kentucky Christian 78
Maranatha wins in Consolation bracket!!!!
Score of 3/10/18
Dallas Christian 76 Maranatha Baptist 68 Maranatha Finishes 1-2 in NCCAA Championship weekend.
FINAL 2017-18
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 27
NCAA-D2 1 13
NAIA-D1 3 8
NAIA-D2 43 35
NCCAA-D1 8 2
NCCAA-D2 48 5
USCAA 85 34
Other 29 2
^^^ Thanks. Do you still have these records from the previous seasons that you've tracked this? Just curious how this season compares.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on March 11, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
^^^ Thanks. Do you still have these records from the previous seasons that you've tracked this? Just curious how this season compares.
just go back on these pages....
I do know that we have played pretty even with NAIA-D2 in the past, even sub .500.... so this year is a positive... though there may be specific reasons for it.. ie, fewer games overall vs non NCAA D3...
Quote from: hopefan on February 23, 2017, 10:55:37 AM
D3 versus
W L
NCAA-D1 0 45
NCAA-D2 6 24
NAIA-D1 9 13
NAIA-D2 37 50
NCCAA-D1 12 5
NCCAA-D2 46 3
USCAA 106 32
Other 30 2
I thought maybe you had a spreadsheet with separate tabs for each season. Above is your last entry from 2016-17. Looks like you weren't doing a tally like this for 2015-16, although you posted individual game scores that season. Thanks.
A new season BEGINS 2018-19
Nov. 8..... and what an ugly start vs the USCAA
St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 80, NVU-Johnson 74
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 91, NVU-Lyndon 71
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 87, Widener 79
Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 73, King's 60
Calvin 76, Grace Christian (NCCAA-D2) 62
Blackburn 123, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D1) 118
Nov. 9, 2018
Lycoming 99, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 86
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 83, NVU-Johnson 69
NVU-Lyndon 110, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 81
Rowan 121, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 82
Thomas 100, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 75
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 85, Desales 51
Pacific 127, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 115
Chatham 77, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 62
St. Vincent 97, Carlow (USCAA) 70
MacMurray 80, Central Christian (NAIA-D2) 65
North Central (Minn.) 76, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 65
Kentucky Christian (NAIA-D2) 107, Berea 99
Brevard 81, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 73
Quite a bit better than yesterday!!!
Nov. 10
Occidental 89 Westmont (NAIA I) 79 Final
OxyBob
Games of Oct 10
New Rochelle 85, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 78
Maine-Presque Isle 87, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 77
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 93, Gustavus Adolphus 68
Multnomah (NAIA-D2) 147, Pacific 124
Edinboro (NCAA-D2) 81, Thiel 63
Sarah Lawrence 90, Pratt (USCAA) 72
Fontbonne 97, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D1) 74
USC Upstate (NCAA-D1) 86, Brevard 43
North Carolina Wesleyan 78, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 67
Pfeiffer 113, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 73
Quote from: OxyBob on November 10, 2018, 11:49:14 PM
Nov. 10
Occidental 89 Westmont (NAIA I) 79 Final
OxyBob
Note... exhibition game... but thanks Oxy....
Games of Nov. 11, 2018 Note D3hoops.com posts early season exhibition scores intermingled with regular season games... scores here eliminate exhibition game scores as they do not effect the records of D3 schools....
Towson (NCAA-D1) 93, Wesley 66
Southern Vermont 91, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 62
Boston University (NCAA-D1) 94, Emerson 57
Linfield 105, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 75
Games of Nov 12
Frostburg State 68, Cheyney (NCAA-D2) (other) 64
New Hampshire (NCAA-D1) 100, Mount St. Vincent 61
Thanks to Caz Bombers for informing that Cheyney has dropped out of NCAA D2 and is unaffiliated... their game will fall into my "other" designation...
Cheyney withdrew from the NCAA last spring. They dropped all their sports except basketball and volleyball. They are now unaffiliated with any national organization or conference.
And Frostburg will be headed to D2 next year I believe.
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 13, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Cheyney withdrew from the NCAA last spring. They dropped all their sports except basketball and volleyball. They are now unaffiliated with any national organization or conference.
sad to hear... thanks Caz
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 13, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
And Frostburg will be headed to D2 next year I believe.
That is their hope ... they haven't even formally applied (or had that application formally received). That needs to happen (deadline is Feb. 1) before DII will even consider it. That then start the clock and the decision from DII won't happen until July.
So ... they are hoping.
That doesn't mention the discontent on campus and elsewhere about this decision.
Quote from: hopefan on November 13, 2018, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 13, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Cheyney withdrew from the NCAA last spring. They dropped all their sports except basketball and volleyball. They are now unaffiliated with any national organization or conference.
sad to hear... thanks Caz
Yeah ... they may not be around much longer.
Games of 11/13/18
Huston-Tillotson (NAIA-D1) 111, Concordia (Texas) 97
Dallas Baptist (NCAA-D2) 95, Howard Payne 60
Purdue Fort Wayne (NCAA-D1) 111, Manchester 65
Wilkes 80, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 60
Maine-Farmington 96, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 64
SUNY-Canton 84, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 78
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 71, Rutgers-Camden 66
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 75, Lewis and Clark 65
Clarion (NCAA-D2) 90, Thiel 80
Oglethorpe 79, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 53
MacMurray 71, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 68
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 90, Cortland 58
Berea 89, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 67
Games of 11/14/18
Marywood 91, Penn State Lehigh Valley (USCAA) 65
Robert Morris (Pgh.) (NCAA-D1) 104, Mount Aloysius 57
Haverford 73, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 66
Shippensburg (NCAA-D2) 101, Wilson 74
Alabama State (NCAA-D1) 86, Birmingham-Southern 44
Games of 11/15/18
Grinnell 164, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 107
Corban (NAIA-D2) 90, Lewis and Clark 75
Francis Marion (NCAA-D2) 110, Methodist 63
Games of 11/16/18
Bryant and Stratton Buffalo (USCAA) 84, Alfred State 73
Alfred 90, Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) 70
Marian (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 105, Fontbonne 57
Augsburg 87, Ottawa (Az.) (NAIA-D1) 69
Redlands 76, Cal Miramar (Other) 58
Sewanee 91, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 78
Hanover 104, Akron-Wayne (Other) 67
Thomas More 91, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (uscaa) 42
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 89, Cornell 68
Belhaven 92, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 73
Pfeiffer 135, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 127
Games of 11/17/18
Alfred State 69, Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) 53
Alfred 80, Bryant and Stratton Buffalo (USCAA) 73
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 76, Curry 67
Mass-Boston 99, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 72
Fontbonne 108, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 39
Berry 70, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 65
Villa Maria (uscaa) 88, SUNY-Delhi 84
Hanover 85, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (uscaa) 47
Thomas More 85, Akron-Wayne (Other) 53
Wartburg 71, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 54
St. Joseph (Conn.) 99, Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 78
Concordia-Moorhead 79, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 60
SUNY-Cobleskill 88, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 45
Pomona-Pitzer 92, Biola (NAIA-D1) 67
Pfeiffer 141, Carolina Christian (Other) 110
Pfeiffer wins a couple of high scoring games the past two days. Do they play The System?
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2018, 09:50:25 AM
Pfeiffer wins a couple of high scoring games the past two days. Do they play The System?
No, they just run. It's getting a lot tougher to distinguish between "The System" and other pace and space philosophies these days - partly because Dave Arsenault, Jr. is incorporating a lot of NBA principles at Grinnell. Whitman and Grinnell don't look that different, at least in what they're trying to do right now. Maybe some of that is due to Vinny Curta's skill set, but I think the numbers are just winning out. Grinnell recognizes the value of an open layup and other teams are recognizing that an open three is better than a contested two.
Games of 11/18
SUNY-Delhi 76, Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) 63
Minnesota Crookston (NCAA-D2) 94, Concordia-Moorhead 65
Middlebury 99, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 65
Games of 11/19/18
Florida college (USCAA) 98, Franklin 87
St. Vincent 79, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 55
Indiana (Pa.) (NCAA-D2) 106, Westminster (Pa.) 77
Birmingham-Southern 102, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 70
Occidental 99, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 72
Berea 104, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 95
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2018, 07:01:01 AM
Games of 11/19/18
Florida college (USCAA) 98, Franklin 87
Florida College is now in an NAIA conference (Southern States Athletic Conference). Not sure if double affiliation or not.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 21, 2018, 12:34:12 AM
Quote from: hopefan on November 20, 2018, 07:01:01 AM
Games of 11/19/18
Florida college (USCAA) 98, Franklin 87
Florida College is now in an NAIA conference (Southern States Athletic Conference). Not sure if double affiliation or not.
Thanks....They are still listed USCAA too...
Games of 11/20/18
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 89, Bryn Athyn 71
Southeastern (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 95, Franklin 83
Wilkes 87, Penn St.-Wilkes Barre (USCAA) 81
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 94, Illinois College 90
Wabash 119, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 33
Pacific Lutheran 96, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 79
Berry 100, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 72
Pomona-Pitzer 68, Life Pacific (NCCAA-D1) 59
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 86, Minnesota-Morris 64
Southwest Minnesota (NCAA-D2) 92, Northland 61
Brevard 74, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 61
Games of 11/21/18
Texas Permian Basin (NCAA-D2) 103, Sul Ross State 69
Brown (NCAA-D1) 96, Salve Regina 64
Youngstown state (NCAA-D1) 104, Westminster (Pa.) 66
Games of 11/23
Calvin 70, Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 62
Hope 78, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 63
Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 84, Kalamazoo 74
Centre 96, Cincinnati Christian (NAIA-D2) 79
Wartburg 72, Doane (NAIA-D2) 61
Games of 11/24
Calvin 85, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 63
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 70, Hope 58
University of Dallas 86, Mississippi Women (USCAA) 83
St. Francis (Ill.) (NAIA-D2) 107, Eureka 77
Dordt (NAIA-D2) 94, Wartburg 85
St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D1) 92, Concordia (Texas) 73
Huntington (Ind.) (NAIA-D2) 103, Manchester 84
Lewis-Clark State (NAIA-D1) 83, Lewis and Clark 72
Arkansas-Monticello (NCAA-D2) 80, Centenary (La.) 51
Games of 11/25
Howard Payne 66, Mississippi Women (USCAA) 64
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 79, Eureka 68
Central Connecticut (NCAA-D1) 88, Pine Manor 59
Grinnell 177, Wright State Lake (USCAA) 129
Walsh (NCAA-D2) 102, Thiel 58
Minnesota-Morris 75, Valley City State (NAIA-D2) 65
D3 record through 11/25
D3 Vs: W L
NCAA-D1 0 10
NCAA-D2 1 11
NAIA-D1 4 3
NAIA-D2 12 15
NCCAA-D1 2 1
NCCAA-D2 18 0
USCAA 25 9
Other 4 0
Remember... exhibition games not included
Games of 11/26
SUNY-Canton 95, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 73
St. Elizabeth 96, King's College NY (USCAA) 72
CU-Colorado Springs (NCAA-D2) 106, Colorado College 64
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 73, Martin Luther 41
Games of 11/27
Abilene Christian (NCAA-D1) 90, Howard Payne 53
Texas-Tyler 96, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 62
Lawrence 81, Silver Lake (USCAA) 79
Coast Guard 91, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 70
Hampden-Sydney 74, Regent (NCCAA-D1) 40
Birmingham-Southern 91, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 82
Midway (NAIA-D2) 81, Berea 71
Games of 11/28
Eastern 91, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 57
Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 88, NVU-Johnson 50
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 76, Randolph 74
Occidental 91, Cal Miramar (Other) 59
Brevard 73, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 68
Games of 11/29/18
Chapman 80, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 45
Games of 11/30/18 D3 goes 8-0 !!!!!
Redlands 80, St. Katherine (Other) 77
North Carolina Wesleyan 87, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 72
Valley Forge 81, Christendom (USCAA) 56
Southern Virginia 99, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 75
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 96, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 51
Crown 99, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 52
Martin Luther 81, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 58
Pfeiffer 134, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 127
Games of 12/1/18
Redlands 78, Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 64
North Carolina Wesleyan 86, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 53
Norwich 98, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 78
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 80, Southern Virginia 68
Evansville (NCAA-D1) 65, Albion 49 (Albion holds Shea Feehan Evansville (ex-D3 Eureka College) to 3 points.... had been averaging 14)
Oglethorpe 111, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 46
Occidental 98, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 66
Crown 121, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 85
North Central (Minn.) 75, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 56
Piedmont International (NCCAA-D2) 115, Pfeiffer 102
Games of 12/2/18
Southern Vermont 109, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 65
SUNY-Delhi 90, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 58
New Rochelle 109, Culinary Institute (Other) 36
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 94, Minnesota-Morris 64
Record of D3 vs___ Through Games of 12/2/18
W L
NCAA-D1 0 12
NCAA-D2 1 12
NAIA-D1 4 3
NAIA-D2 15 19
NCCAA-D1 2 1
NCCAA-D2 29 1
USCAA 36 11
Other 6 0
Games of 12/3/18
Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 85, Valley Forge 75
St. Francis (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 104, St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) 75
Games of 12/4/18
Pine Manor 87, Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 77
New Rochelle 101, Pratt (USCAA) 56
Hope 89, Grace Christian (NCCAA-D2) 78
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 86, Puget Sound 76
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 85, Webster 64
Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 99, Berea 75
UW-Platteville 95, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 60
UW-Stout 96, Silver Lake (USCAA) 94
Games of 12/5/18
Trine 78, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 67
Pacific Lutheran 91, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 69
St. Thomas (Tx.) (NAIA-D1) 108, University of Dallas 60
Games of 12/6/18:
SUNY Cobleskill 60, Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 55
Corbin (NAIA-D2) 76, Willamette 67
Games of 12/7/18
Longwood (NCAA-D1) 68, Frostburg State 65
Willamette 87, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 54
Sewanee 103, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 71
Games of 12/8/18
Simpson 104, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 58
Albertus Magnus 100, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 81
Maranatha Baptist 84, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 69
Goucher 96, Christendom (USCAA) 65
Bard 104, Pratt (USCAA) 50
Maine-Presque Isle 93, Unity (USCAA) 69
Cazenovia 81, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 58
Linfield 121, New Hope Christian (NCCAA-D1) 67
Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 107, Pacific Lutheran 87
Willamette NA, Northwest Indian College (Other) NA
Occidental 96, Cal Miramar (Other) 61
Maryville (Tenn.) 110, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 74
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 74, UW-River Falls 72
Games of 12/9
Alfred Stste 88, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 67
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 105, New Rochelle 57
Just a reminder, St Thomas (Houston TX) is exploratory this year, but has been accepted into the SCAC.
One must commend the commissioner of the SCAC for the hard work in reviving a conference that was ripped apart by the departure of the SAA schools.
He got TLU and Schreiner to move from the ASC to the SCAC.
He added Centenary when it came down from D-1. (Centenary was with the ASC for 1 year, but everyone knew that they were going to join Southwestern and Trinity, fellow members for the Associated Colleges of the South, www.colleges.org)
Now he has added a travel partner for Colorado College in Johnson and Wales CO.
St Thomas will be the 10th program and fits very nicely, probably as a travel partner for Centenary.
Games of 12/10, 12/11
Lewis and Clark 94, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 69
New Rochelle 114, Five Towns College (USCAA) 78
Sewanee 81, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 66
Austin 85, Paul Quinn (NAIA-D1) 82
Games of 12/12/18:
Manchester 85, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 77
Maine-Presque Isle 80, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 70
Lakeland 80, Silver Lake (USCAA) 77
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 77, Cal Miramar (other) 63
Games of 12/13/18
Central 95, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 52
Rose-Hulman 93, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 67
Cazenovia 115, Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) 112
Pomona-Pitzer 96, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 70
Longwood (NCAA-D1) 81, Averett 57
North Alabama (NCAA-D1) 90, Huntington 58
Quote from: hopefan on December 14, 2018, 05:17:55 AM
North Alabama (NCAA-D2) 90, Huntington 58
North Alabama moved to Division I this year
Games of 12/14/18
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 66, Coe 63
Maine-Presque Isle 75, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 60
SUNY-Canton 76, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 61
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 82, Puget Sound 76
Games of 12/15/18
Eastern Mennonite 84, the Apprentice School (USCAA) 75
Mount St. Mary's (Md.) (NCAA-D1) 74, Wilson 59
New Rochelle NA, Bryant and Stratton (Albany) (USCAA) NA
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 89, Kalamazoo 58
Centre 93, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 51
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 88, Westmont (NAIA-D1) 69
Quote from: hopefan on December 16, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
Games of 12/15/18
Eastern Mennonite 84, the Apprentice School (USCAA) 75
Mount St. Mary's (Md.) (NCAA-D1) 74, Wilson 59
New Rochelle NA, Bryant and Stratton (Albany) (USCAA) NA
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 89, Kalamazoo 58
Centre 93, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 51
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 88, Westmont (NAIA-D1) 69
New Rochelle won 85-80 in OT
Games of 12/16/18
Bridgewater (Va.) 80, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 64
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 73, NVU-Johnson 57
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2018, 10:21:31 AM
Games of 12/16/18
Bridgewater (Va.) 80, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 64
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 73, NVU-Johnson 57
On our scoreboards, both the men's and women's games against UM-FK were listed as exhibitions. I didn't double check, but you might want to for accuracy purposes.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2018, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 17, 2018, 10:21:31 AM
Games of 12/16/18
Bridgewater (Va.) 80, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 64
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 73, NVU-Johnson 57
On our scoreboards, both the men's and women's games against UM-FK were listed as exhibitions. I didn't double check, but you might want to for accuracy purposes.
On the Johnson site, the score does not indicate exhibition, and the result is included in their record. I'm thinking real game based on that.
Games of 12/17/18
Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 62, SUNY-Delhi 52
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 116, Olivet 83
Games of 12/18/18
John Brown (NAIA-D2) 76, Fontbonne 60
Johnson and Wales 64, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 62
Keizer (NAIA-D2) 75, Mitchell 71
Central Washington (NCAA-D2) 95, Puget Sound 80
Quincy (NCAA-D2) 83, MacMurray 50
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2018, 07:41:48 AM
Games of 12/17/18
Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 62, SUNY-Delhi 52
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 116, Olivet 83
Our old friend, Green Mountain.
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2018, 05:59:19 AM
Johnson and Wales 64, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 62
Given that the NAIA opponent is Boston-based Fisher College, it's obvious that the Johnson & Wales involved here is the Rhode Island campus. But keep in mind that the Colorado campus of Johnson & Wales is presently transitioning to D3 as a member of the SCAC -- so, for the sake of people who don't know where the non-D3 opponent is located, it would probably help to start referring to the D3 school involved as Johnson & Wales (RI) or Johnson & Wales (CO).
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 19, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on December 19, 2018, 05:59:19 AM
Johnson and Wales 64, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 62
Given that the NAIA opponent is Boston-based Fisher College, it's obvious that the Johnson & Wales involved here is the Rhode Island campus. But keep in mind that the Colorado campus of Johnson & Wales is presently transitioning to D3 as a member of the SCAC -- so, for the sake of people who don't know where the non-D3 opponent is located, it would probably help to start referring to the D3 school involved as Johnson & Wales (RI) or Johnson & Wales (CO).
Agreed.... but.... I have a spreadsheet that I download scores to from the D3hoops scoreboard each morning. My spreadsheet and all the macros must match the D3hoops.com designation for a school in order to properly work. D3hoops.com still has the R.I. Campus as Johnson and Wales... Period... that's what I have to go with unless I manually go in and change things on my post.
Ah ... well, carry on, then. ;D
Games of 12/19/18
Webber International (NAIA-D2) 85, Fontbonne 81
Lafayette (NCAA-D1) 93, Rosemont 56
Franklin 95, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 64
Mitchell 78, Johnson & Wales (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 70
Greg.. notice Johnson & Wales (Fla.) ;D ;D
Last night, on the d3hoops.com front page, I saw the headline of the Mitchell gamer, which indicated the opponent that Mitchell beat ... and the first thing that I thought about was you and this board. ;)
No games 12/20
Games of 12/21
Lamar (NCAA-D1) 121, Howard Payne 33
Lake Forest 92, Grace Christian (NCCAA-D2) 71
D3 records thru 12/25
D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 19
NCAA-D2 1 16
NAIA-D1 6 6
NAIA-D2 23 27
NCCAA-D1 4 1
NCCAA-D2 44 2
USCAA 51 13
Other 9 0
Games of 12/28/18
Wittenberg 94, Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) 60
Dubuque 84, Clarke (NAIA-D1) 78
Note not including the Bluffton vs Ohio Mid-Western result, which has been shown (proven) to be a hoax on the D3 World.... Yes, hopefan is angry....
Games of 12/29/18
Wabash 104, Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) 57
Belhaven 109, Mississippi Women (USCAA) 79
Abilene Christian (NCAA-D1) 88, McMurry 40
Texas-Dallas 91, Southwestern Assemblies of God (NAIA-D1) 80
Robert Morris (Pgh.) (NCAA-D1) 108, Hood 51
Findlay (NCAA-D2) 113, Olivet 65
Ashland (NCAA-D2) 87, Westminster (Pa.) 64
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 80, UW-Stout 77
Once again, not including the Ohio MidWestern non game... where it appears Bluffton duped Grove City into thinking they were playing a real college...
Games of 12/30
Olivet 69, Saginaw Valley (NCAA-D2) 63 (D3's 2nd win over D2 this year) (Frostburg St ha beaten Cheney in November)
Hiram 97, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (uscaa) 66
Olivet is the first. As I said when it happened, Cheyney is no longer in the NCAA at all.
aaahhhh Caz... forgot all about your help with Cheyney in November... Thanks... need to change the spreadsheet....
Missed this 12/31 game
Kent State (NCAA-D1) 71, Oberlin 48
Through games of 1/1/19
D3 vs:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 21
NCAA-D2 1 18
NAIA-D1 8 6
NAIA-D2 23 29
NCCAA-D1 4 1
NCCAA-D2 45 2
USCAA 52 13
Other 12 0
Games of 1/2/19
High Point (NCAA-D1) 101, Washington College 60
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2019, 05:26:56 AM
Missed this 12/31 game
Kent State (NCAA-D1) 71, Oberlin 48
I don't know if this game counts (exhibition) however, Penn (NCAA-D1) 112 Stockton 63 at the Palestra around Thanksgiving.
Article claimed the Palestra has hosted more NCAA games than any other arena in the country. 🤔
Quote from: TheOsprey on January 03, 2019, 08:15:02 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2019, 05:26:56 AM
Missed this 12/31 game
Kent State (NCAA-D1) 71, Oberlin 48
I don't know if this game counts (exhibition) however, Penn (NCAA-D1) 112 Stockton 63 at the Palestra around Thanksgiving. Article claimed the Palestra has hosted more NCAA games than any other arena in the country. 🤔
Right, I don't post exhibition games as they don't go into the official records.....
Quote from: TheOsprey on January 03, 2019, 08:15:02 AM
Quote from: hopefan on January 02, 2019, 05:26:56 AM
Missed this 12/31 game
Kent State (NCAA-D1) 71, Oberlin 48
I don't know if this game counts (exhibition) however, Penn (NCAA-D1) 112 Stockton 63 at the Palestra around Thanksgiving. Article claimed the Palestra has hosted more NCAA games than any other arena in the country. 🤔
Yeah, not sure when others might catch up, but it's a hundred years old and had at least five teams playing most of their home games there for 75 or so of those years.
Games of 1/4/19
Cornell (N.Y.) (NCAA-D1) 76, Johnson and Wales 61 J&W (R.I.)
UC Santa Cruz 84, Los Angeles Divinity (Other) 79
Games of 1/5/19
Thomas More 100, Miami-Hamilton (Other) 63
Grove City 79, Penn St.-DuBois (USCAA) 65
Games of 1/6/19
Silver Lake (USCAA) 82, Finlandia 73
Games of 1/8/19
Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 76, Valley Forge 74
Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 88, Maranatha Baptist 75
Yale (NCAA-D1) 88, Skidmore 59
Connecticut College 71, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 49
Game of 1/10/19
Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 89, Maranatha Baptist 66
Games of 1/11/19
SUNY-Delhi 76, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 54
UC Santa Cruz 95, Cal Miramar (Other) 59
Games of 1/12/19
Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) 68, Valley Forge 56
Silver Lake (USCAA) 77, Maranatha Baptist 75
New Rochelle 97, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 72
Willamette 126, Northwest Indian College (Other) 60
Games of 1/14/19
Brown (NCAA-D1) 100, Johnson and Wales 61
Games of 1/15/19
New Rochelle 107, Pratt (USCAA) 70
University of Dallas 83, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 78
does Pratt count as Division III yet? They're somewhere in the re-classifying pipeline but I can't recall whether 2018-19 is just a "year 0/exploratory" year for them.
Quote from: Caz Bombers on January 16, 2019, 12:50:26 PM
does Pratt count as Division III yet? They're somewhere in the re-classifying pipeline but I can't recall whether 2018-19 is just a "year 0/exploratory" year for them.
Pratt is exploratory this year.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5831.msg1875935#msg1875935
Games of 1/16/19
Thomas More 105, Campbellsville-Harrodsburg (USCAA) 73
Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 81, NVU-Lyndon 62
Maine-Farmington 104, Maine-Augusta (USCAA) 64
Games of 1/17/19
Maranatha Baptist 70, Dayspring Bible (Other) 52
UC Santa Cruz 101, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 67
Games of 1/18/19
Maranatha Baptist 80, Associated Free Lutheran (Other) 72
New Rochelle 92, Davis (uscaa) 85
Games of 1/19/19
Texas-Tyler 93, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 66
Games of 1/22/19
Maine Maritime 93, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 71
Newbury 81, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 74
Minnesota-Morris 111, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 56
Games of 1/23/19
SUNY-Delhi 75, Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 52
UC Santa Cruz 73, Cal Miramar (Other) 72
Quote from: hopefan on January 24, 2019, 05:22:55 AM
Games of 1/23/19
SUNY-Delhi 75, Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 52
UC Santa Cruz 73, Cal Miramar (Other) 72
this former Division III member announced last night it is shutting down at the end of this semester. Pour one out for the Eagles.
Games of 1/25/19
Concordia (Wis.) 86, Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 70
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 94, Concordia-Chicago 75
Lawrence Tech (NAIA-D2) 100, Finlandia 77
Games of 1/26/19
Concordia (Wis.) 84, Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 62
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 77, Concordia-Chicago 69
Rochester (Mich.) (USCAA) 87, Finlandia 38
Pine Manor 71, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 54
The Apprentice School (USCAA) 75, Valley Forge 64
Belhaven 75, Mississippi Women (USCAA) 71
Maranatha Baptist 70, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 65
New Rochelle 90, King's College NY (USCAA) 37
Games of 1/27/19
Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 108, Finlandia 66
UC Santa Cruz NA, Los Angeles Divinity (Other) NA let me know!!!!
Games of 1/29/19
Piedmont 78, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 69
Games of 1/30/19
Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 69, Norwich 57
Games of 2/1/19
Maranatha Baptist 92, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 78
Pine Manor 86, Bryant and Stratton Buffalo (USCAA) 76
Games of 2/2/19
Alfred State 93, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 65
Maranatha Baptist 90, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 54
Bryant and Stratton (Albany) (USCAA) 76, New Rochelle 73
University of Dallas 89, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 70
North Central (Minn.) 113, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 53
Games of 2/3/19
Alfred State 90, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 65
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 86, Maine-Presque Isle 55
Games of 2/4/19
New Rochelle 100, The New School (Other) 46
Shawnee State (NAIA-D1) 72, Thomas More 63
UC Santa Cruz 60, Pacific Union (NAIA-D2) 57
Games of 2/5/19
Silver Lake (USCAA) 71, Maranatha Baptist 55
Berkeley College (NY) (USCAA) 116, New Rochelle 102
Games of 2/8/19
New Rochelle 112, Five Towns College (USCAA) 86
Games of 2/9/19
Gogebic CC (Other) 69, Finlandia 64 YES Finlandia, even against Community College competition, stays winless!!
Game of 2/11/19
New Rochelle 82, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 62
game of 2/12/19
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 78, Maine-Presque Isle 52
games of 2/13/19
Villa Maria (uscaa) 77, Alfred State 69
Silver Lake (USCAA) 83, Finlandia 77
New Rochelle 98, Vaughn (USCAA) 64
Chatham 82, Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 59
Game of 2/14/19
Maranatha Baptist 91, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 79
game of 2/15/19
Alfred State 67, Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 56
Pine Manor NA, Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) NA anybody?
Games of 2/16/19
Pine Manor NA, Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) NA DID Pine Manor play Bry-Stra either Friday or Saturday... no scores anywhere....
SUNY-Delhi 105, St. Joseph's (Vt.) (USCAA) 71
Maranatha Baptist 71, Dayspring Bible (Other) 53
New Rochelle 94, Davis (uscaa) 60
Thomas More 81, Wright State Lake (USCAA) 58
Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 121, Pfeiffer 102
Games of 2/18/19
Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 77, Eureka 72
Bay CC (Other) 95, Finlandia 92
Bryant and Stratton (Albany) (USCAA) 68, Valley Forge 66
Game of 2/22/19
Maranatha Baptist (IND) 81, Emmaus 51
Also just recently posted
Pine Manor 74, Bryant and Stratton Rochester (USCAA) 69 2/15/19
Pine Manor 95, Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) 63 2/16/19
Duties of another nature call... I'll update and finalize in mid April.
Final 2018-19 D3 vs non-D3 includes ALL games
W L
NCAA-D1 0 25
NCAA-D2 1 18
NAIA-D1 9 7
NAIA-D2 31 36
NCCAA-D1 6 2
NCCAA-D2 56 7
USCAA 68 26
Other 19 2
hopefan,
Good job as usual for this board and the conference vs out of conference board. Plus K.
Quote from: magicman on June 28, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
hopefan,
Good job as usual for this board and the conference vs out of conference board. Plus K.
thanks magic... lost interest during NCAA tourney and our move south, thought I would finish up..... FINALLY!!!!
Quote from: hopefan on June 28, 2019, 05:34:59 AM
Quote from: magicman on June 28, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
hopefan,
Good job as usual for this board and the conference vs out of conference board. Plus K.
thanks magic... lost interest during NCAA tourney and our move south, thought I would finish up..... FINALLY!!!!
Fortunately, the Karma followed you in your move south.
+1!
Well... the old hopefan will do it again this year... I will say I haven't paid attention to any non-D3 classifications... if any readers note an error of a school switching from USCAA to NAIA or something like that, post a note and I'll get it corrected...
Scores Nov 8
Lycoming 85, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 66
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 106, NVU-Lyndon 97
Sewanee 97, Johnson (Tn.) (NCCAA-D2) 85
King's 70, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 66
Wilkes 122, Penn St. Scranton (USCAA) 69
Alaska-Anchorage (NCAA-D2) 88, Coast Guard 78
Edinboro (NCAA-D2) 95, Thiel 72
Piedmont 81, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 76
Games of 11/9/19
St. Vincent 75, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 66
NVU-Johnson 95, Vermont Tech (USCAA) 87
Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 95, Birmingham-Southern 92
Centenary (N.J.) 102, Penn St.-Lehigh Val. (USCAA) 55
Maine-Farmington 111, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 81
Penn St.-Dubois (USCAA) 77, Chatham 68
Oglethorpe 73, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 55
Hendrix 87, Baptist Bible (Mo.) (NCCAA-D2) 55
Pratt (USCAA) 62, Sarah Lawrence 59
Iowa Wesleyan 67, Culver-Stockton (NAIA-D1) 64
MacMurray 88, Central Christian (NCCAA-D2) 87
Bemidji State (NCAA-D2) 117, Northland 60
^^^ A couple of SLIAC wins (Iowa Wes and Mac) over NAIA teams.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 10, 2019, 09:23:47 AM
^^^ A couple of SLIAC wins (Iowa Wes and Mac) over NAIA teams.
Big comeback for MAC, too. I watched the last two minutes waiting to put the score in and they really executed almost perfectly down the stretch. Very slim margin for error and they pulled it off.
Quick question on this list. Silver Lake has change their school name to Holy Family this year and are listed on the NAIA site as a division 2 Independent and have been for a number of years, but I have always seen them listed on this list as a USCAA representative. Now they are also a USCAA member, but if they should ever get a NAIA bid they are taking it over playing in the USCAA tournament. How is it decided that they are a USCAA and not a NAIA 2?
Same thing with Crowley's Ridge and Lincoln Christian.
www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/MultiTeam/Division.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&division=NAIMBB2
Quote from: Baldini on November 10, 2019, 03:32:23 PM
Quick question on this list. Silver Lake has change their school name to Holy Family this year and are listed on the NAIA site as a division 2 Independent and have been for a number of years, but I have always seen them listed on this list as a USCAA representative. Now they are also a USCAA member, but if they should ever get a NAIA bid they are taking it over playing in the USCAA tournament. How is it decided that they are a USCAA and not a NAIA 2?
Same thing with Crowley's Ridge and Lincoln Christian.
www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/MultiTeam/Division.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&division=NAIMBB2
Baldini... nothing more than what list I was looking at when the school was entered into my spreadsheet... if a school fits better elsewhere, let me know and I'll change it.... thanks...
Games of 11/11/19
University of Dallas 83, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 56
Central Christian (NCCAA-D2) 93, Westminster (Mo.) 91
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 10, 2019, 09:23:47 AM
^^^ A couple of SLIAC wins (Iowa Wes and Mac) over NAIA teams.
Y-Jack... I Just noticed Central Christian in NCCAA-D2, not NAIA-D2
^^^ Oh well!
There are two Central Christians. Central Christian College of the Bible is in Missouri and the NCCAA; that's who MacMurray played. Central Christian College of Kansas is NAIA D1.
Quote from: Inkblot on November 12, 2019, 07:52:18 PM
There are two Central Christians. Central Christian College of the Bible is in Missouri and the NCCAA; that's who MacMurray played. Central Christian College of Kansas is NAIA D1.
Thanks Inkblot... that explains my original error.... +1 to you.... I'd also note that Westminster also played the Missouri school...
Games of 11/12/19
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 69, Pine Manor 61
Wagner (NCAA-D1) 97, Wesley 67
Rose-Hulman 98, Oakland City (NCAA-D2) 90
King's 109, Penn St. Scranton (USCAA) 99
Wilkes 96, Penn St.-Hazleton (USCAA) 58
Maine-Presque Isle NA, Maine-Machias (USCAA) NA Postponed... weather
Chatham 92, Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 73
St. Vincent 75, Penn St.-Fayette (USCAA) 62
Missouri Baptist (NAIA-D1) 80, Webster 70
Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 76, Brevard 73
There have been a handful of games on the D3 scoreboard with results of D3 teams vs non D teams that are not posted here because they are exhibition games... the scores really shouldn't post on D3... and they correctly do not roll up to team schedules and records on the D3hoops pages... I'm not sure Pat and guys find time to go back later and take them off the scoreboard or not....not a big deal but could be confusing....
^^^ Looks like you missed one: Radford (NCAA D-1) 91, Bridgewater 40.
Update: Just went to the Bridgewater recap article. Headline refers to it as an exhibition.
Games of 11/13/19
Only MacMurray comes through for D3
Silver Lake (USCAA) Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 77, Marian 71
Corban (NAIA-D2) 79, Lewis and Clark 67
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D1) 71, Fontbonne 65
MacMurray 88, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) (NAIA-D2 83
Campbellsville-Somerset (USCAA) 95, Berea 94
Quote from: hopefan on November 14, 2019, 07:33:22 AM
Games of 11/13/19
Only MacMurray comes through for D3
Silver Lake (USCAA) 77, Marian 71
Corban (NAIA-D2) 79, Lewis and Clark 67
St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D1) 71, Fontbonne 65
MacMurray 88, Lincoln Christian (NCCAA-D1) 83
Campbellsville-Somerset (USCAA) 95, Berea 94
I see that this site still lists Silver Lake allover the place, but Silver Lake is now Holy Family College and they are a NAIA-2 school and have been for awhile. If you click on these links you will see the game you have listed.
https://holyfamilylakers.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule
www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&team=20844
This same thing applies to Lincoln Christian who has nine D 3 games on their schedule.
www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&team=19211
Baldini... thanks again... I will make corrections in prior posts and when I start to post overall YTD W/L records, the games will appear in proper categories.... Seriously, your input is appreciated... I strive for accuracy in the stuff I post, but don't have the time to doublecheck non D3 affiliation changes....
Schedules from school web sites and the D3hoops schedules originally posted Silver Lake playing 6 games vs D3 opponents... all of those games were recently (not sure when) changed in D3hoops to Holy Family.. with the exception of the Marian game result, which at this minute, still reads Silver Lake... that's why I had a match in Silver Lake with the downloaded result and my posted schedule. Two more games with Maranatha were originally posted as Holy Family likely because Maranatha was one of the last D3 schools to post their schedule.
Holy Family remains listed as a member of both the USCAA and NAIA-D2 per those sites.... I will change over to NAIA D2
Lincoln Christian remains listed as a member of both the NCCAA and NAIA-D2 per those sites.... I will change over to NAIA D2
I attended a NAIA women's game last night and had a good conversation with the host AD. One piece of information I gathered that I was not aware of is that the NAIA is going to one division in all sports next year. Basketball is the last sport for them to do that, but will be across the board next season. Not relevant at this moment, but something to keep in mind for next season when compiling your data. Appreciate all your hard work you do here.
My daughter went to William Jewel when it was NAIA and played four years of softball.. it opened up the world of NAIA to me, at least as far as Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma goes ... Highlight was her hitting a homerun at the big Oklahoma City complex!!!
Quote from: hopefan on November 14, 2019, 10:43:45 AM
My daughter went to William Jewel when it was NAIA and played four years of softball.. it opened up the world of NAIA to me, at least as far as Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma goes ... Highlight was her hitting a homerun at the big Oklahoma City complex!!!
That is awesome about your daughter, a memory for life for both of you I am sure. The kind of things that makes sports great at any and all levels.
Games of 11/14/19
Valley Forge 113, Penn St.-Lehigh Val. (USCAA) 94
Simpson 122, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 73
Eastern 56, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 48
Occidental 88, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D2 NCCAA-D1) 76
Quote from: Baldini on November 14, 2019, 10:39:23 AM
I attended a NAIA women's game last night and had a good conversation with the host AD. One piece of information I gathered that I was not aware of is that the NAIA is going to one division in all sports next year. Basketball is the last sport for them to do that, but will be across the board next season. Not relevant at this moment, but something to keep in mind for next season when compiling your data. Appreciate all your hard work you do here.
Does that mean that there will be one set of guidleines for athletic scholarship distribution?
Just a general knowledge question...
Noticed a couple of "hmmmm's"
Viterbo loses close to Whitewater and Platteville... then Platteville knocks off Wash U... seems things have improved at Viterbo
Maryville is beaten badly by Johnson (Tenn.).... Is Johnson much better or Maryville much worse than usual... or both?
Games of 11/15/19
Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 104, Martin Luther 37
Martin Luther 104, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 37
Berry 102, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 67
Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 75, Oglethorpe 63
Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 87, Olivet 80
Illinois College 81, Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 71
Lebanon Valley 83, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 81
Southern Maine 66, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 61
Thomas 83, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 74
Thiel 84, Penn State Shenango (USCAA) 82
Eastern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 132, Pacific 125
St. Vincent 82, Carlow (USCAA) 70
Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 87, Brevard 72
UW-Platteville 70, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 67
Games of 11/16/19
Berry 81, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 68
Oglethorpe 71, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 57
Defiance 76, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 70
Central 102, Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 67
FDU-Florham 76, Penn St.-Schuylkill (USCAA) 56
Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 77, Maryville (Tenn.) 60
Southern Maine 84, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 62
Thomas 90, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 65
Western Connecticut 78, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 69
Westminster (Pa.) 84, Penn State Shenango (USCAA) 74
Corban (NAIA-D2) 114, Willamette 73
Malone (NCAA-D2) 90, Bethany 57
Occidental 82, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 64
Westmont (NAIA-D1) 84, Pomona-Pitzer 76
North Central (Minn.) 127, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 70
Berea 82, Campbellsville-Harrodsburg (USCAA) 71
UW-Whitewater 79, Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 73
Games of 11/17/19
Piedmont 76, Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 73
Linfield 78, Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 71
Just a few notes of information.
On the 11/14 games you have listed West Coast Baptist as a NCCAA-2 but they are NCCAA-1. I have a link here to a list of NCCAA-1 schools, but if you use it to audit your list be aware that most of these schools are D-2, D-3 or NAIA that use the NCCAA as a fallback to post season play if their original post season plans come up short with the NCAA or NAIA.
https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB_0606121522.aspx
On the Martin Luther-Oak Hills Christian game from 11/15 you have the score reversed, Martin Luther won the game 104-37. Oak Hills Christian is a school I check on every year from time to time just because I am amazed they are still going. They are currently 0-9 and have played the whole season with 5 players. I watch a little of their first game against NAIA Northwestern (Iowa) and after the first 5 minutes I could watch no more, in fear of foul trouble I would guess they played no defense and it was a layup drill for Northwestern. Northwestern won the game 144-44. I watch a few minutes of the Martin Luther game and a Oak Hills Christian player picked up his 4th foul with about 9 minutes to play and I was mostly interested to see if they would need to play with four before the night was through, but the complete five lasted until the buzzer sounded.
You commented on Johnson (Tenn.), but they were pretty good last year. They made it to the NCCAA-2 Championship semi-finals last season before losing to eventual champion Grace Christian. They came back and won the 3rd place game against D-3 Maranatha Baptist 101-86. They already have wins against Birmingham Southern and your mentioned Maryville. They have played a good schedule the past 3 seasons and have been competitive with most of the D-3 and NAIA schools they have played.
Interesting you noted Viterbo and I thought they were going to be good last season, but it just never did happen for them. Sometimes it takes a little extra time for the talent to come together as a team I guess.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: Baldini on November 14, 2019, 10:39:23 AM
I attended a NAIA women's game last night and had a good conversation with the host AD. One piece of information I gathered that I was not aware of is that the NAIA is going to one division in all sports next year. Basketball is the last sport for them to do that, but will be across the board next season. Not relevant at this moment, but something to keep in mind for next season when compiling your data. Appreciate all your hard work you do here.
Does that mean that there will be one set of guidleines for athletic scholarship distribution?
Just a general knowledge question...
That is what I took from the conversion. He felt they would probably struggle for a few year because of the players already in the pipeline for the NAIA-1 schools, but in time the playing field would be level. It will be interesting to me to see how balanced the basketball playoffs will be next season or do the division 1's just dominate the tournament.
Quote from: Baldini on November 19, 2019, 12:06:42 AM
Just a few notes of information.
On the 11/14 games you have listed West Coast Baptist as a NCCAA-2 but they are NCCAA-1. I have a link here to a list of NCCAA-1 schools, but if you use it to audit your list be aware that most of these schools are D-2, D-3 or NAIA that use the NCCAA as a fallback to post season play if their original post season plans come up short with the NCAA or NAIA.
https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB_0606121522.aspx
On the Martin Luther-Oak Hills Christian game from 11/15 you have the score reversed, Martin Luther won the game 104-37. Oak Hills Christian is a school I check on every year from time to time just because I am amazed they are still going. They are currently 0-9 and have played the whole season with 5 players. I watch a little of their first game against NAIA Northwestern (Iowa) and after the first 5 minutes I could watch no more, in fear of foul trouble I would guess they played no defense and it was a layup drill for Northwestern. Northwestern won the game 144-44. I watch a few minutes of the Martin Luther game and a Oak Hills Christian player picked up his 4th foul with about 9 minutes to play and I was mostly interested to see if they would need to play with four before the night was through, but the complete five lasted until the buzzer sounded.
You commented on Johnson (Tenn.), but they were pretty good last year. They made it to the NCCAA-2 Championship semi-finals last season before losing to eventual champion Grace Christian. They came back and won the 3rd place game against D-3 Maranatha Baptist 101-86. They already have wins against Birmingham Southern and your mentioned Maryville. They have played a good schedule the past 3 seasons and have been competitive with most of the D-3 and NAIA schools they have played.
Interesting you noted Viterbo and I thought they were going to be good last season, but it just never did happen for them. Sometimes it takes a little extra time for the talent to come together as a team I guess.
Corrections to two games made... again, thanks very much for making me aware... tidbits that you throw out about the non-D3 teams are extremely interesting to me...
Poor Oak Hills Christian....
Game of 11/18/19
Virginia Wesleyan 102, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 62
Games of 11/19/19
Johnson and Wales 70, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 67
Hanover 115, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 53
Goucher 76, Christendom (USCAA) 55
SUNY-Canton 88, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 74
Linfield 95, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 82
St. Thomas (Tx.) 99, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 71
University of Dallas 89, Southwestern Adventist (Other) 45
Manhattanville 92, Pratt (USCAA) 68
Principia 87, Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 81
Albany (NCAA-D1) 78, SUNY Potsdam 52
Minnesota-Morris 90, Presentation (NAIA-D2) 68
Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 80, Brevard 78
'Other' is probably a good description for Southwestern Adventist with the handful of small associations out there and the list of your breakdown would get a little long and confusing to list them all, but Southwestern Adventist is affiliated with the ACCA. Guessing that you may well already knew that though. ;D Just a FYI link if you were interested.
https://www.accasports.org/members/
Games of 11/20/19
Valley Forge 118, Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) 103
Maine Maritime 81, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 58
Maine-Presque Isle NA 105, Unity (USCAA) NA 50
Chatham 82, Carlow (USCAA) 74
Northland 127, Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA-D2) 46
I hope you do not think I am a pain in the *ss, but I'm just trying to provide helpful information.
Maine-Presque Isle defeated Unity 105-50.
Carlow is a NAIA-2 school that is also a member of the USCAA. The USCAA also has two divisions, but listing them together is probably the right thing to do.
www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&conference=NAIMBB2_KIAC&team=19212
Quote from: Baldini on November 21, 2019, 08:18:38 AM
I hope you do not think I am a pain in the *ss, but I'm just trying to provide helpful information.
Maine-Presque Isle defeated Unity 105-50.
Carlow is a NAIA-2 school that is also a member of the USCAA. The USCAA also has two divisions, but listing them together is probably the right thing to do.
www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&sea=NAIMBB_2019&conference=NAIMBB2_KIAC&team=19212
Absolutely not.. as I said, updates and corrections are appreciated....
GAMES OF 11/21/19
Hartford (NCAA-D1) 78, Emerson 63
Occidental 88, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D1) 63
Biola (NAIA-D1) 66, Pomona-Pitzer 62
Games of 11/22/19
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 92, Norwich 62
Huntingdon 92, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 89
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 77, Puget Sound 61
Defiance 82, Akron-Wayne (Other) 73
McDaniel 73, Christendom (USCAA) 38
Merrimack (NCAA-D2 NCAA-D1) 110, Lesley 16 YIKES!!!!!
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 61, Martin Luther 59
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2019, 06:59:21 AM
Games of 11/22/19
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 92, Norwich 62
Huntingdon 92, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 89
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 77, Puget Sound 61
Defiance 82, Akron-Wayne (Other) 73
McDaniel 73, Christendom (USCAA) 38
Merrimack (NCAA-D2) 110, Lesley 16 YIKES!!!!!
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 61, Martin Luther 59
Merrimack is D1 now
Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 23, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: hopefan on November 23, 2019, 06:59:21 AM
Games of 11/22/19
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 92, Norwich 62
Huntingdon 92, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 89
Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 77, Puget Sound 61
Defiance 82, Akron-Wayne (Other) 73
McDaniel 73, Christendom (USCAA) 38
Merrimack (NCAA-D2) 110, Lesley 16 YIKES!!!!!
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 61, Martin Luther 59
Merrimack is D1 now
Thanks Caz.... change made
Games of 11/23/19
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 83, NVU-Johnson 75
LaGrange 85, Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 72
North Park 75, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 46
Fontbonne 82, Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 61
Pacific Lutheran 94, Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 86
Defiance 83, Kent St.-Tuscarawas (uscaa) 82
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 75, Johnson and Wales 57
Grinnell 116, Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 90
NVU-Lyndon 87, Pratt (USCAA) 83
Pomona-Pitzer 116, cal Miramar (Other) 78
North Central (Minn.) 145, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 53
Berea 89, Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 81
Greensboro 89, Regent (NCCAA-D1) 69
Piedmont 85, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 59
Baldini or D3hoops staff
Pomona Pitzer beat Cal Miramar last night... Cal Miramar has always been in my data base as "other" affiliation, because they did not appear on the normal non d3 groups (NAIA, NCAA D2, D1, USCAA, or NCCAA)... I was curious and looked them up... seems they are a member of the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference.
"The Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC) is an intercollegiate athletic conference governed by the California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA). We are comprised of nine community colleges including, Cuyamaca, Grossmont, Imperial Valley, MiraCosta, Miramar, Palomar, San Diego City, San Diego Mesa, and Southwestern, all of which offer a wide variety of athletic competition."
On the other hand, the School's site lists a Bachelor's Degree program in Business, and makes the comment "Our teams play under the rules and regulations of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA) and the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC)"
But again, a check of the USCAA site does not show Cal Miramar as a member....
Confusing to me... does Miramar have 4 year players playing in a Community College Conference, or am I getting two different schools/programs mixed up? If it is a true Community College program, should D3 teams be counting games against them in their record? Little mysteries in college hoops I love to see solved... any clarification by you detectives out there would be appreciated!!
Games against two-year schools are not regarded as varsity games by D3, although they do count towards the allotment as scrimmages for eligibility and schedule purposes.
Through 11/24/19
D3 vs :
W L
NCAA-D1 0 4
NCAA-D2 1 5
NAIA-D1 1 4
NAIA-D2 13 7
NCCAA-D1 4 0
NCCAA-D2 21 8
USCAA 38 5
Other 3 0
Games of 11/25/19
Maine-Presque Isle 84, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 66
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 68, Aurora 65
Penn St. Beaver (USCAA) 71, St. Vincent 61
Games of 11/26/19
Texas Permian Basin (NCAA-D2) 101, McMurry 88
Adrian 86, Siena Heights (NAIA-D2) 85
SUNY-Cobleskill 96, Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) 73
Linfield 84, Warner Pacific (NAIA-D2) 73
Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 76, Pacific Lutheran 71
Chatham 76, Penn St.-Greater Allegheny (USCAA) 70
Birmingham-Southern 130, Pensacola Christian (NCCAA-D2) 98
St. Thomas (Tx.) 116, Dallas Christian (NCCAA-D2) 70
Colorado College NA, Metro State (NCAA-D2) NA
Occidental 71, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 69
Blackburn 82, St. Louis Pharmacy (NAIA-D1) 75
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 85, Minnesota-Morris 67
Concordia-St. Paul (NCAA-D2) 82, Northland 61
Berea 86, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 56
High Point (NCAA-D1) 90, Greensboro 73
Quote from: hopefan on November 24, 2019, 06:55:29 AM
Baldini or D3hoops staff
Pomona Pitzer beat Cal Miramar last night... Cal Miramar has always been in my data base as "other" affiliation, because they did not appear on the normal non d3 groups (NAIA, NCAA D2, D1, USCAA, or NCCAA)... I was curious and looked them up... seems they are a member of the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference.
"The Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC) is an intercollegiate athletic conference governed by the California Community College Athletic Association (CCCAA). We are comprised of nine community colleges including, Cuyamaca, Grossmont, Imperial Valley, MiraCosta, Miramar, Palomar, San Diego City, San Diego Mesa, and Southwestern, all of which offer a wide variety of athletic competition."
On the other hand, the School's site lists a Bachelor's Degree program in Business, and makes the comment "Our teams play under the rules and regulations of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA) and the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference (PCAC)"
But again, a check of the USCAA site does not show Cal Miramar as a member....
Confusing to me... does Miramar have 4 year players playing in a Community College Conference, or am I getting two different schools/programs mixed up? If it is a true Community College program, should D3 teams be counting games against them in their record? Little mysteries in college hoops I love to see solved... any clarification by you detectives out there would be appreciated!!
Well that is truly a rogue program and 'other' is without a doubt the correct label for them, IMO. In each sport they play in some underground tournaments, but are not affiliated with anyone that I can find.
The Miramar that you note in the Pacific Coast Athletic Conference as a Community College is not the same school that played Pomona-Pitzer. Their roster is not the one in the box score of the game. Also that team is the Jets and the Cal Miramar that played Pomona-Pitzer were the Fighting Falcons. The Cal Miramar Fighting Falcons play a mix of D-2, D-3, JC's, NAIA and NCCAA schools and anyone else they can schedule without paying dues to any of them it appears. Interesting that the Fighting Falcons seem to have a good baseball program.
The USCAA pretty much takes whoever shows an interest. It includes community colleges, such as Southern Maine CC and Central Maine CC, and schools that don't offer traditional associate's or bachelor's degrees, such as Williamson College of the Trades, and the Apprentice School.
FYI, apparently for decades, the Apprentice School's football program was counted as a D3 opponent for ranking purposes. The Builders were part of the D3 Atlantic Central Football Conference from 2001 to 2010 even though the Apprentice School were never a member of the NCAA.
Here are the schools I currently have on my Master List, listed as "other", that at some time in the last 10-15 years have played a D3 school... there may be a few more that have been randomly removed and replaced with an addition to the list who more recently played a D3 school
Might be interesting if anyone is familiar with a particular school to let us know some relevant facts... and of course if it is misplaced and should be NAIA, USCAA, or NCCAA, or even NCAA-D2, let me know and I'll correct
Akron-Wayne
Associated Free Lutheran
Barber Scotia
Barclay
Bay cc
Bay College
Bethany (Cal.)
Bryant and Stratton (Wisc.)
Cal Miramar
Carolina Christian
Central Maine CC
Champion Baptist
Cheyney
Concordia St. Louis
Cooper Union
Culinary Institute
Dayspring Bible
East-West
Fairhaven Baptist
Free Will Baptist
Gogebic CC
John Abbott
Landmark
Miami-Hamilton
Rhode Island Design
Northwest Indian College
Oglala Lakota
Ohio State Marion
Ohio University Eastern
Ohio University-Chillicothe
OSU Lima
OSU Mansfield
Rhema Bible
Selma
Shawnee Baptist
Southwestern Adventist
St. Katherine
St. Louis Christian
Thaddeus Stevens
The New School
Touro
Westcliff
Word of Life
Games of 11/27/19
Vermont (NCAA-D1) 93, Gallaudet 44
Lees-Mcrae (NCAA-D2) 89, Eastern Nazarene 68
Robert Morris (NCAA-D1) 102, Geneva 62
Youngstown state (NCAA-D1) 93, Westminster (Pa.) 67
Love the 'others' list hopefan, I might be one of the rare (maybe sad :)) individuals that has seen a good number of those teams play at one time or another.
Central Maine CC, Culinary Institute of America and East-West are all currently listed as a members on the USCAA website. The problem with tracking this is that some of these schools come and go every few years from the USCAA. Not sure what the answer is for that.
Couple of teams on your list, Barclay and Southwestern Adventist (Southwestern Adventist is currently also listed as a USCAA member) are division 2 members of the NCCAA. NCCAA-2's.
This would require starting another grouping and the number of games played each year by them is probably not worth separating out, but Association Free Lutheran Bible College, Carolina Christian College, Champion Baptist who is now Champion Christian College, Rhema Bible College, St. Louis Christian College and I would add University of Los Angeles College of Divinity are all members of the ACCA. But 'others' is still probably the right designation for all of them in that association because in most seasons none of them play any D-3 schools.
Love the work you do hopefan, keep up the great job.
*Just looking at the NCCAA website and see that Champion Christian College is a new NCCAA-2 member this year. Currently ranked 6th in their top 10 rankings this week and has a win over a NAIA school in Bacone.
I also see that the University of Saint Katherine is a NCCAA-1 member.
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 08:33:15 AM
Love the 'others' list hopefan, I might be one of the rare (maybe sad :)) individuals that has seen a good number of those teams play at one time or another.
That is truly Incredible.. I wish I could sit across the table from you over a long meal... I would think you could enamor me with stories for a lengthy time..
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2019, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 08:33:15 AM
Love the 'others' list hopefan, I might be one of the rare (maybe sad :)) individuals that has seen a good number of those teams play at one time or another.
That is truly Incredible.. I wish I could sit across the table from you over a long meal... I would think you could enamor me with stories for a lengthy time..
Thanks hopefan, but my stories probably are not that interesting. Being older and living alone I tend to ramble a bit with my stories and peoples eyes tend to glaze over long before I am getting to my conclusion. ;D
What is a little sad at times in when I see some of these schools closing their doors for good at places I watched games, but I am guessing there will be many more in the coming decade. I was very surprised to hear NAIA school Cincinnati Christian closing this semester. They were a team that I always made a point to go watch when they came to central Kentucky to play someone, they had a silky smooth 6'5 player that was just a joy to watch. I would look his name up if they still had a website, but that is no more. I am not the greatest with name recall these days. St. Catharine College (KY) was another school that was easy for me to get to and watch games that closed 2016.
The Transylvania girls have a tournament tomorrow and Saturday and I will get to take in the doubleheaders on both days. Transylvania plays Maryville (Tenn.) and Redlands plays Southern Virginia tomorrow. The winner and losers will play each other on Saturday.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family hopefan and a Happy Thanksgiving to everyone else also.
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 08:33:15 AMI also see that the University of Saint Katherine is a NCCAA-1 member.
As of this year, they're also NAIA-2.
Quote from: Inkblot on November 28, 2019, 03:01:39 PM
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 08:33:15 AMI also see that the University of Saint Katherine is a NCCAA-1 member.
As of this year, they're also NAIA-2.
Good catch Inkblot, I had not noticed their name added to the California Pacific Conference standings until now. An annual audit is about the only way to stay on top of the never ending changes made by schools I guess.
Central Maine CC is USCAA in the Yankee Small Colleges Conference.
Bryant & Stratton (WI) is NJCAA Region 4.
Pretty sure that Carolina Christian is NCCAA D-2.
Thaddeus Steven is NJCAA Region 29.
Shawnee Baptist closed in 2014.
Quote from: jeffconn on November 28, 2019, 06:06:25 PM
Central Maine CC is USCAA in the Yankee Small Colleges Conference.
Bryant & Stratton (WI) is NJCAA Region 4.
Pretty sure that Carolina Christian is NCCAA D-2.
Thaddeus Steven is NJCAA Region 29.
Shawnee Baptist closed in 2014.
Carolina Christian is not listed as a member on their website.
https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB2_0606121659.aspx
Baldini, do you live in Lexington? I lived there from 1981-1990. Went to one game at Transy -- I think they were D2 at the time. Does that sound right?
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 28, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
Baldini, do you live in Lexington? I lived there from 1981-1990. Went to one game at Transy -- I think they were D2 at the time. Does that sound right?
I do live in the Lexington area, moved here in 2007. I am no Transylvania historian by any stretch, but my guess would be that they were a NAIA school at that time like soo many current D-3 schools were in that timeframe. They played in the NAIA tournament in March of 2001 and joined the HCAC in the fall of 2001, my guess would be that is when they switched over to D-3.
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 06:24:06 PM
Quote from: jeffconn on November 28, 2019, 06:06:25 PM
Central Maine CC is USCAA in the Yankee Small Colleges Conference.
Bryant & Stratton (WI) is NJCAA Region 4.
Pretty sure that Carolina Christian is NCCAA D-2.
Thaddeus Steven is NJCAA Region 29.
Shawnee Baptist closed in 2014.
Carolina Christian is not listed as a member on their website.
https://thenccaa.org/sports/2012/6/6/MBB2_0606121659.aspx
Checking the Carolina Christian site... their schedule includes prospective participation in the ACCA tourney in Joplin Mo at season's end...
Also included in their schedule are two games at Cal Miramar!!!
The ACCA only has 17 members listed on their site, many of which are also NCCAA.
Arlington Baptist (NCCAA)
Association Free Lutheran
Baptist Bible
Barclay (NCCAA)
Carolina Christian
Champion Christian (NCCAA)
Community Christian
Faith Baptist (NCCAA)
Kansas Christian (NCCAA)
Oak Hills Christian (NCCAA)
Ozark Christian (NCCAA)
Rhema Bible
St. Louis Christian
Southeastern Baptist (NCCAA)
Southwestern Adventist (NCCAA)
Trinity Bible (NCCAA)
Los Angeles Divinity
Just a note about the NCCAA and the ACCA, their post seasons are structured so that the NCCAA teams can play in both if they should so like to do so. The NCCAA's regionals are the week before the ACCA tournament (which only has a selection of teams to play in the tournament) and NCCAA's championship is the week after. Which the Arlington Baptist women's team has done the past 4 years, winning 4 straight double national championships. They have won the last 5 NCCAA-2 titles, but only the last 4 ACCA titles.
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 28, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
Baldini, do you live in Lexington? I lived there from 1981-1990. Went to one game at Transy -- I think they were D2 at the time. Does that sound right?
I do live in the Lexington area, moved here in 2007. I am no Transylvania historian by any stretch, but my guess would be that they were a NAIA school at that time like soo many current D-3 schools were in that timeframe. They played in the NAIA tournament in March of 2001 and joined the HCAC in the fall of 2001, my guess would be that is when they switched over to D-3.
NAIA for Transy back when I lived there makes sense. I did not realize they were so new to D3.
Games of 11/29/19
A tough night for the MIAA in Grand Rapids
Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 84, Calvin 60
Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 78, Hope 74
Games of 11/30/19
A big rebound for the MIAA in Grand Rapids
Calvin 71, Cornerstone (NAIA-D2) 68
Hope 79, Aquinas (NAIA-D2) 63
Hendrix 70, Mississippi women (uscaa) 66
Puget Sound 92, Northwest (Wash.) (NAIA-D2) 81
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 29, 2019, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: Baldini on November 28, 2019, 10:06:03 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on November 28, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
Baldini, do you live in Lexington? I lived there from 1981-1990. Went to one game at Transy -- I think they were D2 at the time. Does that sound right?
I do live in the Lexington area, moved here in 2007. I am no Transylvania historian by any stretch, but my guess would be that they were a NAIA school at that time like soo many current D-3 schools were in that timeframe. They played in the NAIA tournament in March of 2001 and joined the HCAC in the fall of 2001, my guess would be that is when they switched over to D-3.
NAIA for Transy back when I lived there makes sense. I did not realize they were so new to D3.
New, and yet not so new. Transylvania was a charter member of D3 back in the mid-'70s, and played in the first four D3 tourneys (although the Pioneers never got out of the first weekend). Somewhere around the turn of the '80s Transylvania reverted back to NAIA, presumably because D3 opponents were far and few in Kentucky -- the Bluegrass State has traditionally been NAIA territory, although that's been slowly changing over the years.
My guess is that when the HCAC expanded in the early '00s it seemed like a good move to Transy's braintrust go back to D3 via the HCAC because of the greater prestige with which D3 schools are regarded as compared to NAIA schools. Transy is a very old (1780) and respected school, and it makes sense that the people who run the school would want to keep affiliative company with the more academically elite schools of the Mid-South and Ohio Valley.
Transylvania became a full D3 member in Fall of 2004. They joined the HCAC in 2001 and believe they held dual NCAA/NAIA membership while transitioning. Even participating in the 2003 NAIA tournament. For basketball they played a mostly D3 schedule during those 3 transition years.
I kind of wonder if Transy wasn't one of those early D3 schools that held onto their NAIA status throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's. Sort of like how Neb. Wesleyan had to decide each year which tournament to participate in (or something like that). I don't know their reasoning for going D3 but by the late 90's their NAIA Conference the KIAC was a smoldering pile of rubble as numerous schools defected to other leagues and divisions. Transylvania may have had no choice but to go D3.
The HCAC added Defiance in 2000 and Transy in 2001 as replacements for Wabash who left for the NCAC and Wilmington who had left for the OAC. I had forgotten Wilmington's short 3 year stint in the HCAC. Wilmington a replacement for DePauw who had bolted for the SCAC. Weird times then.
^^^ sac and Sager, thanks for those history lessons.
Games of 12/1/19
Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 89, Oglethorpe 87
Millsaps 69, Mississippi women (uscaa) 58
Greensboro 95, Warren Wilson (USCAA) 80
UW-Platteville 74, Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 67
No games on 12/2/19
Here's where D3 stands through games of 12/2
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 8
NCAA-D2 1 8
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 19 12
NCCAA-D1 5 0
NCCAA-D2 25 9
USCAA 44 6
Other 2 0
Games of 12/3/19
Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 76, UC Santa Cruz 64
Concordia (Texas) 104, Arlington Baptist (NCCAA-D2) 86
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 80, CCNY 67
Berry 77, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 58
Centre 87, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 67
Metro State (NCAA-D2) 79, Colorado College 47
Mayville State (NAIA-D2) 81, Minnesota-Morris 75
Bob Jones (NCCAA-D2) 73, Brevard 66
N.C. Wesleyan 102, Mid-Atlantic Christian (USCAA) 60
It is going to be an interesting year in the NCCAA-2 tournament. Bob Jones, Johnson (Tenn.), Grace Christian and Randall all look like they have pretty good squads this year.
I'll have to go to each of the sites to check the 4 out... Baldini you are incredible!!!
Quote from: hopefan on December 04, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
I'll have to go to each of the sites to check the 4 out... Baldini you are incredible!!!
Checking the numbers from last season, the NCCAA-2 only won 7 games all season against the D-3. I believe the Bob Jones win over Brevard last night is already their 10th this season. Add in several wins against NAIA schools and I believe I can go out on the climb and say that this might be their best season ever.
I live 15 minutes from Randall (formerly Hillsdale Free Will Baptist College), and didn't know until about 5 years ago that they even had sports. It's surreal to see them talked about on a national forum...
Quote from: Inkblot on December 04, 2019, 06:44:07 PM
I live 15 minutes from Randall (formerly Hillsdale Free Will Baptist College), and didn't know until about 5 years ago that they even had sports. It's surreal to see them talked about on a national forum...
If you have never been to a game of theirs I encourage it. You might get hooked.
They play NAIA school University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma on Saturday at Randall.
Quote from: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
It is going to be an interesting year in the NCCAA-2 tournament. Bob Jones, Johnson (Tenn.), Grace Christian and Randall all look like they have pretty good squads this year.
Great Lakes Christian out of Lansing, Michigan was the NCCAA-II runner-up last year, they beat defending champion Grace Christian tonight 90-78 in downtown Detroit at Little Caesars Arena.
GLC has played a brutal schedule for their level, vs NCCAA they're 2-0 now. They're legit good. (for their level)
Quote from: sac on December 04, 2019, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: Baldini on December 04, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
It is going to be an interesting year in the NCCAA-2 tournament. Bob Jones, Johnson (Tenn.), Grace Christian and Randall all look like they have pretty good squads this year.
Great Lakes Christian out of Lansing, Michigan was the NCCAA-II runner-up last year, they beat defending champion Grace Christian tonight 90-78 in downtown Detroit at Little Caesars Arena.
GLC has played a brutal schedule for their level, vs NCCAA they're 2-0 now. They're legit good. (for their level)
You are correct and my bad for not including them with the other 4, but until tonight GLC hadn't been able to get over the Grace Christian hurdle that was just down the road from them.
Great Lakes Christian also has wins over D-3 Olivet and NAIA Concordia (Mich.).
Games of 12/4/19
Eastern 92, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 76
Maine-Farmington 113, Maine-Machias (USCAA) 71
Cazenovia 91, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 77
Lewis and Clark 84, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 69
Merchant Marine 76, Pratt (USCAA) 49
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 68, UW-River Falls 62
Cardinal Stritch (NAIA-D2) 81, UW-Stout 63
No games on 12/5/19
Games of 12/6/19
Greensboro 85, St. Andrews (NAIA-D2) 84
Medgar Evers 87, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 83
Pacific Lutheran 77, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 40
Games of 12/7/19 a very busy night
N.C. Wesleyan 72, St. Andrews (NAIA-D2) 64
Norwich 88, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 64
UC Santa Cruz 72, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D1) 52
Valley Forge 86, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 61
Maranatha Baptist 65, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 64
Maine-Presque Isle 68, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 66
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 74, Eastern Nazarene 72
JWU-Denver 96, Oglala Lakota (Other) 72
Chapman 84, La Sierra (NAIA-D2) 51
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 56, Cal Maritime (NAIA-D2) 53
Pomona-Pitzer 96, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 51
Fayetteville State (NCAA-D2) 72, Methodist 68
Pfeiffer 112, Toccoa Falls (NCCAA-D2) 99
Games of 12/8/19
Dean 108, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 83
Bryant and Stratton Syracuse (USCAA) 117, Cazenovia 107
Linfield 84, Portland Bible (NCCAA-D2) 62
Through games of 12/8/19
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 8
NCAA-D2 2 11
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 23 17
NCCAA-D1 7 0
NCCAA-D2 33 10
USCAA 53 7
Other 3 0
Game of 12/9/19
Linfield 129, Northwest Indian College (Other) 69
https://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/boxscores/20191210_uq01.xml?view=boxscore
Is there something I don't know about that would explain why this hasn't been mentioned?
UMass-Boston takes down Holy Cross on the road.
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
https://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/boxscores/20191210_uq01.xml?view=boxscore
Is there something I don't know about that would explain why this hasn't been mentioned?
UMass-Boston takes down Holy Cross on the road.
It's listed as an exhibition so not included in team records.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2019, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
https://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/boxscores/20191210_uq01.xml?view=boxscore
Is there something I don't know about that would explain why this hasn't been mentioned?
UMass-Boston takes down Holy Cross on the road.
It's listed as an exhibition so not included in team records.
Thank you--I figured something was off.
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2019, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
https://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/boxscores/20191210_uq01.xml?view=boxscore
Is there something I don't know about that would explain why this hasn't been mentioned?
UMass-Boston takes down Holy Cross on the road.
It's listed as an exhibition so not included in team records.
Thank you--I figured something was off.
Although it appears to have counted as a loss on Holy Cross' schedule? Game recap alludes to them "dropping to 1-9". Isn't being counted as a win for UMB however. Something has to be wrong on HC's side then.
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 10, 2019, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: SpringSt7 on December 10, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
https://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019-20/boxscores/20191210_uq01.xml?view=boxscore
Is there something I don't know about that would explain why this hasn't been mentioned?
UMass-Boston takes down Holy Cross on the road.
It's listed as an exhibition so not included in team records.
Thank you--I figured something was off.
Although it appears to have counted as a loss on Holy Cross' schedule? Game recap alludes to them "dropping to 1-9". Isn't being counted as a win for UMB however. Something has to be wrong on HC's side then.
It's not uncommon for a game to be counted as 'real' by the D1 but exhibition by the D3.
SpringSt7.... Ypsi is exactly right... There are a significant number of D3 games vs D1 teams each year that count as real games for D1, but are played as exhibitions for D3..... there are also some actual countable games for D3 versus D1... exhibition vs real kind of depends on whether the D3 team is already at their limit of 25 scheduled games.
Thanks though for bringing up the Mass-Boston game.... it's always huge when a D3 team beats a D1, even in an exhibition game... I don't track the exhibition games... not sure if D3 has any other wins over D1 this year or not...
to the business at hand...
Games of 12/10/19
Lakeland 84, Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 78
Lewis and Clark 122, Northwest Indian College (Other) 64
Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 107, Sewanee 99
Quote from: hopefan on December 11, 2019, 08:16:47 AM
SpringSt7.... Ypsi is exactly right... There are a significant number of D3 games vs D1 teams each year that count as real games for D1, but are played as exhibitions for D3..... there are also some actual countable games for D3 versus D1... exhibition vs real kind of depends on whether the D3 team is already at their limit of 25 scheduled games.
Thanks though for bringing up the Mass-Boston game.... it's always huge when a D3 team beats a D1, even in an exhibition game... I don't track the exhibition games... not sure if D3 has any other wins over D1 this year or not...
to the business at hand...
Games of 12/10/19
Lakeland 84, Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 78
Lewis and Clark 122, Northwest Indian College (Other) 64
Johnson (Tenn.) (NCCAA-D2) 107, Sewanee 99
Yes, the appellation shouldn't minimize the accomplishment!
Working at a D2 school now, we play games that we count as exhibition (our women vs. Seattle U. for example) and then play games where a D3 school or NAIA school uses it as an exhibition (our men vs. Evergreen State).
Quote from: ronk on December 11, 2019, 08:37:47 AM
Yes, the appellation shouldn't minimize the accomplishment!
No question!
Teams play those games to win until they are leading by some margin.
Games of 12/11/19
Spring Arbor (NAIA-D2) 95, Kalamazoo 71
Puget Sound 72, Evergreen State (NAIA-D2) 66
Randolph 71, The Apprentice School (USCAA) 56
Hmmmm, UMass Boston, after surprising the basketball world by beating D1 Holy Cross on Tuesday (yes, an exhibition for UMB), they come back and lose to Tufts by 22 on Wednesday...????
possible thoughts... vote for one
1) UMass Boston player heard to say.."hey we just beat a D1 team, who needs to worry about a D3 team??"
2) UMass Boston coach heard to say... "My kids put in everything they had against a D1 team.. they were dead on their feet tonight"
3) UMass Boston coach heard to say... "Why did I ever schedule an important D3 game back to back with a game vs a game vs a D1 team?"
4) UMass Boston player heard to say..."damn, can't believe we finished that whole keg celebrating the win last night.. where did the 2nd keg come from?"
5) a Sportswriter writes.. "UMB loses to Tufts by 22?.. How bad must Holy Cross be?"
Hopefan says... the UMass Boston players will likely remember the win over Holy Cross as the pinnacle of their Basketball experience for the rest of their lives....
Game of 12/12/19
Buena Vista 105, Faith Baptist Bible (NCCAA-D2) 52
Games of 12/13/19
Chapman 93, West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D1) 80
Pomona-Pitzer 83, Westcliff (Other) 68
Games of 12/14/19
Eastern Mennonite 90, the Apprentice School (USCAA) 80
Dallas Baptist (NCAA-D2) 103, Howard Payne 74
Eastern Oregon (NAIA-D2) 127, Pacific 90
Northwest Christian (NAIA-D2) 91, Pacific Lutheran 84
Games of 12/15/19
Bridgewater (Va.) 66, the Apprentice School (USCAA) 56
Sheperd (NCAA-D2) 101, Wilson 50
Thomas 81, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 76
IUP (NCAA-D2) 108, Bethany 41
Through games of 12/15/19
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 8
NCAA-D2 2 14
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 26 20
NCCAA-D1 8 0
NCCAA-D2 34 11
USCAA 56 7
Other 6 0
Games of 12/16/19
Occidental 94, Cal Miramar (Other) 62
Iowa Wesleyan 88, Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 67
Games of 12/17/19
Belhaven 95, Mississippi Women (uscaa) 86
Franklin 116, Boyce (NCCAA-D2) 61
St. Thomas (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 93, Mitchell 59
Games of 12/18/19
Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 82, Monmouth 68 WHAT???
Florida National (USCAA) 81, Mitchell 72
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 83, Fontbonne 71
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2019, 11:58:00 PM
Games of 12/18/19
Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 82, Monmouth 68 WHAT???
Florida National (USCAA) 81, Mitchell 72
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 83, Fontbonne 71
Will Carius has not played for two games now, including this one.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 19, 2019, 06:40:37 AM
Quote from: hopefan on December 18, 2019, 11:58:00 PM
Games of 12/18/19
Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 82, Monmouth 68 WHAT???
Florida National (USCAA) 81, Mitchell 72
Waldorf (NAIA-D2) 83, Fontbonne 71
Will Carius has not played for two games now, including this one.
Ryan does such a great job of knowing "tidbits" about teams that an avid fan like myself won't usually look up... it's very much appreciated.... in this case, Will Carius had averaged 27 ppg and 12 rpg in Monmouth's first 6 games, all wins... he misses last 2 games , both losses... and Lincoln Christian is not good.. at all...wonder if and when he'll be back.....
Games of 12/19/19
Nope D3 couldn't compete with D1
Lafayette (NCAA-D1) 96, Widener 56
Johnson & Wales (Fla.) (NAIA-D2) 83, Mitchell 75
Game of 12/20/19
Pacific Lutheran 109, Northwest Indian College (Other) 37
Malone (NCAA-D2) 68, Waynesburg 39
Maryville (Mo.) (NCAA-D2) 70, Eureka 52
Game of 12/21/19
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 89, Kalamazoo 84
No games 12/22/19
Going into Christmas Break:
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 9
NCAA-D2 2 17
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 27 25
NCCAA-D1 8 0
NCCAA-D2 35 11
USCAA 57 8
Other 8 0
Game of 12/27/19
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 103, Curry 98
Games of 12/28/19
St. Joseph (Conn.) 91, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 56
Wheaton (Mass.) 82, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 62
West Coast Baptist (NCCAA-D1) 66, UC Santa Cruz 65
Chapman 88, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 74
Games of 12/29/19
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 83, Pine Manor 63
Central Connecticut (NCAA-D1) 89, Connecticut College 55
Through 12/29/19
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 10
NCAA-D2 3 18
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 28 26
NCCAA-D1 9 1
NCCAA-D2 35 11
USCAA 57 8
Other 8 0
Games of 12/30/19
Occidental 100, Cal Miramar (Other) 64
Games of 12/31/19
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 78, Carleton 69
Lake Erie (NCAA-D2) 91, Thiel 55
Redlands 97, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 86
Walsh (NCAA-D2) 92, Carnegie Mellon 72
Game of 1/3/20
Gordon 95, Fisher (NAIA-D2) 86
Games of 1/4/2020
John Jay 81, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 64
Houghton 83, SUNY-ESF (USCAA) 61
Vermont Tech (USCAA) 82, Skidmore 79
Calvin 100, Grace Christian (NCCAA-D2) 90
Minnesota-Morris 81, Presentation (NAIA-D2) 74
Viterbo (NAIA-D2) 85, North Central (Minn.) 72
Viterbo ends up 4-2 against D3 schools with wins against Edgewood, UW-River Falls, Carleton and North Central (Minn.). Loses were at UW-Platteville 70-67 and at UW-Whitewater 79-73. Interesting that they are only 2-6 against NAIA schools.
Through games of 1/5/20
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 10
NCAA-D2 4 20
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 30 28
NCCAA-D1 10 1
NCCAA-D2 36 11
USCAA 59 9
Other 9 0
Games of 1/6/20
York (N.Y.) 74, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 59
Maine-Presque Isle NA, Unity (USCAA) NA Cancelled I wonder why? UMPI beat them by 57 in 1st meeting, Unity site shows full schedule remaining
St. Thomas (Tx.) 80, Randall (NCCAA-D2) 68
Midway (NAIA-D2) 73, Berea 69
Games of 1/7/20
Brown (NCAA-D1) 79, Johnson and Wales 53
Rivier 70, Paul Smiths (USCAA) 68
Maranatha Baptist 105, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 68
Pratt (USCAA) 71, Bard 61
Mississippi Women (uscaa) 70, Rhodes 62
Games of 1/8/20
Salisbury 66, the Apprentice School (USCAA) 61
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 67, Hunter 59
Game of 1/10/20
St. Joseph (Conn.) 105, Pratt (USCAA) 61 Coach Calhoun's 900th win!!!
Quote from: hopefan on January 11, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
Game of 1/10/20
St. Joseph (Conn.) 105, Pratt (USCAA) 61 Coach Calhoun's 900th win!!!
Is that before or after you take out the forfeited games?
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 11, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
Quote from: hopefan on January 11, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
Game of 1/10/20
St. Joseph (Conn.) 105, Pratt (USCAA) 61 Coach Calhoun's 900th win!!!
Is that before or after you take out the forfeited games?
Good question... I'm quoting from the Tampa Bay Times, who surprisingly gave Coach Calhoun a lengthy paragraph... Far more coverage than local D2 schools Tampa or Eckerd have received all season;D ;D ;D
Games of 1/11/20
SUNY Delhi 87, Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 65
Valley Forge 101, Culinary Institute (USCAA) 49
Brooklyn 77, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 60
Grove City 91, Penn St.-DuBois (USCAA) 57
D3 rarely gets a win vs D2.. maybe 1 or 2 upsets per year... but this year with Staten Island moving to D2, playing a complete CUNYAC schedule, and obviously being down from their normal top spot in the CUNYAC, D3 may approach double digit wins vs D2... it's obviously a one time thing...
Games of 1/12/20
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 86, Finlandia 74
Yale (NCAA-D1) 108, Johnson and Wales 58
Games of 1/14/20
Holy Family (Wis.) (NAIA-D2) 84, Maranatha Baptist 68
Maine-Farmington 105, Me.-Augusta (USCAA) 66
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 72, Connecticut College 60
OH NO, LOOK AT THE RECORDS THRU 1/14/20
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 12
NCAA-D2 6 21
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 30 32 This is close every year...D3 has dropped the last 4 games vs NAIA D2
NCCAA-D1 10 1
NCCAA-D2 38 11
USCAA 66 11
Other 9 0
Games of 1/15/20
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 69, Lehman 66
Carlow (USCAA) 70, Washington and Jefferson 69
In addition to their USCAA membership, Carlow is NAIA-D2.
Quote from: Inkblot on January 16, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
In addition to their USCAA membership, Carlow is NAIA-D2.
Well, if W&J had won, I might have ........ ;D ;D ;D
Game od 1/16/20
Lincoln Christian (NAIA-D2) 93, Maranatha Baptist 63
Game of 1/17/20
Valley Forge 105, Christendom (USCAA) 80
Game of 1/18/20
UC Santa Cruz 95, Westcliff (Other) 93
Game of 1/19/20
UC Santa Cruz 74, Bethesda (NCCAA-D1) 64
2 wins this weekend for the Banana Slugs!!!!!
Games of 1/20/20
St. Elizabeth 72, Pratt (USCAA) 52
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 83, Maine Maritime 71
SUNY Delhi 86, Albany Pharmacy (USCAA) 68
Game of 1/21/20
Fredonia 62, Penn State Shenango (USCAA) 53
Game of 1/22/20
Baruch 74, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 55
Games of 1/23/20
UC Santa Cruz 68, Cal Miramar (Other) 65
Maranatha Baptist 82, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 54
Games of 1/25/20
Concordia (Neb.) (NAIA-D2) 92, Concordia (Wis.) 55
Concordia (Mi.) (NAIA-D2) 67, Concordia-Chicago 66
Valley Forge 119, King's College NY (USCAA) 87
John Jay 66, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 59
Games of 1/26/20
Fisher (NAIA-D2) 77, Maine-Presque Isle 74
Princeton (NCAA-D1) 87, Rutgers-Camden 41
Games of 1/28/20
CCNY 79, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 70
Maranatha Baptist 90, Emmaus (NCCAA-D2) 60
Maine-Presque Isle 126, Unity (USCAA) 63
Minnesota-Morris 94, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 76
Games of 1/29/20
Finlandia played (and lost to) Bay CC.... I'm not including that game as I believe games against 2 year schools are not included by the NCAA in D3 teams records.
That is correct.
Agree with all of that, but what is odd is that Finlandia seems to count them as official games on their website. Since they stopped playing a round robin schedule with the UMAC ('16-'17 season) they have scheduled Bay CC and Gogebic CC and list them in their records and stats as counting games.
Finlandia can do whatever it likes with its records and stats, but the NCAA will not recognize those games. They will count towards the 25-game ceiling for player participation in the regular season, but the results, stats, and any records set will not be counted by D3. And d3hoops.com won't recognize them as legit games, either.
Finlandia was 0-21 last season according to their website and d3hoop.com's listing of schedule results with 3 of those games being against Bay CC and Gogebic CC. I went to NCAA's website and they list Finlandia at 0-18 last season with no record of those games being played, which is just confirming what we all thought was the case. It is also a given that the games are not used for SOS purposes or used for any other metrics, but if d3hoops.com is listing the results and showing Finlandia as 0-21, are they not than recognizing the games as official games? Not trying to be a pain here, but why does d3hoops.com list the games in the official results?
My guess is that Pat didn't audit Finlandia's schedule for last season. Send him a PM or an email, and he'll change it.
Quote from: Baldini on January 30, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
Finlandia was 0-21 last season according to their website and d3hoop.com's listing of schedule results with 3 of those games being against Bay CC and Gogebic CC. I went to NCAA's website and they list Finlandia at 0-18 last season with no record of those games being played, which is just confirming what we all thought was the case. It is also a given that the games are not used for SOS purposes or used for any other metrics, but if d3hoops.com is listing the results and showing Finlandia as 0-21, are they not than recognizing the games as official games? Not trying to be a pain here, but why does d3hoops.com list the games in the official results?
I don't know if Pat will want to go back and change things, but, generally, for our purposes, if it's not marked as a regional game, it doesn't really matter. Only the regional games get pulled for SOS and stuff like that. We could go mark them as exhibition and they might not show up in the schedule anymore, but it wouldn't change anything else in the system.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 30, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
My guess is that Pat didn't audit Finlandia's schedule for last season. Send him a PM or an email, and he'll change it.
I audit, but schools have the ability to change them and I don't get any notification.
With this year's Finlandia schedule, I went through the process of actually locking out changes, which takes about 10 times as long but seemed necessary.
Finlandia...... the UMPI of old
Finlandia: UMPI, but with a better school song. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c)
Finlandia, our endowment is small, and we make up for it by having just a 31% retention rate...
Hey, stop picking on Suomi. It's the largest (only) private college in the Upper Peninsula.
Game of 1/30/20
Maranatha Baptist 95, Dayspring Bible (Other) 56
Quote from: augie77 on January 31, 2020, 02:39:26 AM
Hey, stop picking on Suomi. It's the largest (only) private college in the Upper Peninsula.
I kid because I love (well, my wife is from a small town near Houghton and went to Northern...)
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2020, 02:01:22 AM
Finlandia, our endowment is small, and we make up for it by having just a 31% retention rate...
One winter in the U.P. is just about all that anybody can handle.
I have a deep respect for Yoopers, even though I think that they're all borderline nuts to live there.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2020, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2020, 02:01:22 AM
Finlandia, our endowment is small, and we make up for it by having just a 31% retention rate...
One winter in the U.P. is just about all that anybody can handle.
I have a deep respect for Yoopers, even though I think that they're all borderline nuts to live there.
My mother-in-law and sister-in-law seem to be Ride or Die Youppers.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2020, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: smedindy on January 31, 2020, 02:01:22 AM
Finlandia, our endowment is small, and we make up for it by having just a 31% retention rate...
One winter in the U.P. is just about all that anybody can handle.
I have a deep respect for Yoopers, even though I think that they're all borderline nuts to live there.
I spent the winters of 67-68 and 68-69 at the former Air Force Base in the UP, I was there on orders, I too have a deep respect for Yoopers. Shoveling out runway lights for the B-52's on alert was character building.
Game of 1/31/20
Crown 90, Trinity Bible (N.D.) (NCCAA-D2) 47
Games of 2/1/20
SUNY Delhi 104, Pratt (USCAA) 72
UC Santa Cruz 91, Cal Miramar (Other) 74
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 96, Medgar Evers 95
Games of 2/4/20
Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 82, York (N.Y.) 49
Maranatha Baptist 90, Dayspring Bible (Other) 53
Games of 2/8/20
Maine-Fort Kent (USCAA) 86, Pine Manor 82
Lehman 87, Staten Island (NCAA-D2) 75
Great Lakes Christian (NCCAA-D2) 90, Maranatha Baptist 85
Mrs. hopefan and hopefan taking off for the trip of a lifetime...
Will be returning during conference tourney weekend... will post final D3 w/l against non D3 at end of season
Adding these in hopefan's absences. On your return you may need to do some auditing, Sir.
Games 2/9/20
Valley Forge 74, Touro (Other) 54
UC Santa Cruz 69, Westcliff (Other) 56
Game 2/10/20
Staten Island 66 (NCAA-D2), Brooklyn 61
Games 2/11/20
Valley Forge 110, Penn State Brandywine (USCAA) 93
Maranatha Baptist 80, Moody Bible (NCCAA-D2) 70
Games 2/12/20
Hunter 76, Staten Island 75 (NCAA-D2)
Fisher 78 (NAIA-D2), Pine Manor 54
SUNY-Delhi 98, Bryant and Stratton-Liverpool 75 (USCAA)
Game 2/15/20
Holy Family-Wisconsin 87 (NAIA-D2), Finlandia 70
Game 2/17/20
Rochester (Mich.) 93 (NAIA-D2), Finlandia 49
Games 2/18/20
Great Lakes Christian 107 (NCCAA-2), Finlandia 75
Maine-Presque Isle 84, Maine-Fort Kent 78 (USCAA)
Baruch 76, Staten Island 63 (NCAA-D2)
Maranatha Baptist 78, Lincoln Christian 77 (NAIA-D2)
Game 2/20/20
Holy Family (Wis.) 86 (NAIA-D2), Maranatha Baptist 64
Games 2/22/20
Valley Forge 84, Christendom 70 (USCAA)
St. Katherine 76 (NAIA-D2), UC Santa Cruz 52
Can't close this page out for 2019-20 as SUNY-Delhi and St. Thomas Texas are the 1-2 seeds in the USCAA D1 Tourney in Laurel Highlands Pa. this weekend... Good luck to both!!!
Quote from: hopefan on March 04, 2020, 10:56:26 AM
Can't close this page out for 2019-20 as SUNY-Delhi and St. Thomas Texas are the 1-2 seeds in the USCAA D1 Tourney in Laurel Highlands Pa. this weekend... Good luck to both!!!
My Northwestern Eagles are also playing in the NCCAA D1 tourney, beat NAIA D1 Hannibal-LaGrange last night 92-61.
Is that a regional? The NCCAA website says the D-I tourney is two weeks from now.
Welcome back, hopefan!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
Is that a regional? The NCCAA website says the D-I tourney is two weeks from now.
Yes, it was a regional round. We don't know which round it was as Bethel (Indiana) might still get an invite to the NAIA tournament and eliminate the need for a regional championship game.
Quote from: AO on March 04, 2020, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
Is that a regional? The NCCAA website says the D-I tourney is two weeks from now.
Yes, it was a regional round. We don't know which round it was as Bethel (Indiana) might still get an invite to the NAIA tournament and eliminate the need for a regional championship game.
Bethel (Indiana) didn't make the NAIA field of 32.
Quote from: Baldini on March 05, 2020, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: AO on March 04, 2020, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
Is that a regional? The NCCAA website says the D-I tourney is two weeks from now.
Yes, it was a regional round. We don't know which round it was as Bethel (Indiana) might still get an invite to the NAIA tournament and eliminate the need for a regional championship game.
Bethel (Indiana) didn't make the NAIA field of 32.
At the time of my post they hadn't released the field yet. The regional championship game is going to be played 3/14 at Bethel.
Quote from: AO on March 06, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
Quote from: Baldini on March 05, 2020, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: AO on March 04, 2020, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
Is that a regional? The NCCAA website says the D-I tourney is two weeks from now.
Yes, it was a regional round. We don't know which round it was as Bethel (Indiana) might still get an invite to the NAIA tournament and eliminate the need for a regional championship game.
Bethel (Indiana) didn't make the NAIA field of 32.
At the time of my post they hadn't released the field yet. The regional championship game is going to be played 3/14 at Bethel.
Understood. I was just giving the update after the NAIA announced the field.
Good luck to Northwestern in their push for the NCCAA D-1 title.
Holy Family (Wis.), FKA Silver Lake College is closing down - a staple in this thread every season.
FINAL 2019-20 Win Loss D3 vs non D3
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 13
NCAA-D2 12 25
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 31 40
NCCAA-D1 11 1
NCCAA-D2 44 14
USCAA 77 16
Other 17 0
Quote from: hopefan on July 06, 2020, 12:03:06 PM
FINAL 2019-20 Win Loss D3 vs non D3
D3 versus:
W L
NCAA-D1 0 13
NCAA-D2 12 25
NAIA-D1 2 4
NAIA-D2 31 40
NCCAA-D1 11 1
NCCAA-D2 44 14
USCAA 77 16
Other 17 0
How was that trip of a lifetime? Hadn't noticed that u were back on the board Mar 4.
Ronk... very nice of you to ask... the trip of a lifetime was exactly that.... we flew to Sydney, cruised Australia and New Zealand... our timing could not have been better, saw rain only one day (a day when we had no excursion scheduled), fires were all over (never saw even smoke ), and most important, we beat the corona virus by days, returning end of February (Norwegian had numerous safety protocol procedures in place already, and I never heard of any cases coming out of the cruise).
And goodness, Australia excursions were good, New Zealand was even better... only downside was the lengthy flights.....
Good to hear! A friend visited New Zealand for 3 weeks in Feb; 1 of her excursions(boat) couldn't return because of 6" rain in 20 hours flooded the dock area(Medford Sound); spent 3 days at sea instead til they landed somewhere else and were helicoptered back to their tour.