Renaming this topic
Just noticed that Manchester is within the regional borders of the Central Region. I am still pretty sure about Hope.
Oswego State also lost today as well. Before today's games, Oswego State was #1 in the East Regional, while Hardin-Simmons was #2 in the South. Oswego State was also #7 in SOSI based on Pat's earlier calculations.
Does NYU jump Oswego State with their win at Brandeis and become #1 in the East from the committee? Does NYU now have a better shot than Brandeis even though they split head-to-head and Brandeis has a better overall record?
From quick glances at their schedules, Oswego State did beat Ithaca who was #3 in their region. Hardin-Simmons appears to be 2-1 vs. regionally ranked teams with a split v. Howard Payne and a win over Trinity.
In my book, Hardin-Simmons joins the Bates-Bowdoin loser and Buena Vista and Wesleyan as Pool C locks. This only leaves three berths for the likes of Albion, Hope, Trinity or DePauw, Brandeis, NYU, Wheaton, King's, Oswego State etc...
Sign that you've been worrying about Pool C bids too much...You have to correct your correction.
I can't read the handbook correctly. Manchester is in the Great Lakes Region. So they aren't a regional opponent for Carthage.
Interesting note: As of about 5pm, when I last checked, 19 ranked teams had lost in their conference tourney or not won their AQ, and 5 more teams had to lose by tomorrow. Borderline teams are going to have a tough time getting in.
Allen,
King's SOSI is in the top 10 in the country. Maybe they didn't beat a regioanlly ranked opponent as u say, but 3 of their 4 losses are to Scranton (2x, barely I might add) and Messiah, who were both ranked #1 in the country at some point this season. They definitely deserve a Pool C bid. They are 1 of the top 50 teams in the country.
Greg,
Unfortunately for King's, Brandeis, NYU, Wheaton, DePauw or Trinity, Hope, Albion, Oswego State are all 1 of the top 50 teams in the country. And every single one of them HAS(emphasis added) beaten a regionally ranked team. And only three of them will get Pool C bids(assuming the bids I mentioned above to Bates/Bowdoin, Buena Vista, Wesleyan, and Hardin-Simmons.
This is what happens when conferences get automatic bids. It happens all the time in every NCAA tournament; deserving teams are left out.
And when there's at least 8 teams that are all similar fighting for 3 spots, when 1 of those teams hasn't beaten a ranked team, it's going to be extremely difficult to find an argument to take them over someone else.
Joel--
With all the upsets going on, D3Hoops.com as a whole may have their mock board ready before I can get my mock board ready. I won't start working on it until Sunday morning, while they may be working overnight tonight on it. I really need sleep tonight.
Through Saturday:
1-10
Bates 12.208
Bowdoin 11.700
Millikin 11.545
Scranton 11.375
Wesleyan 11.167
Randolph-Macon 11.077
Springfield 10.957
Southern Maine 10.846
Oswego State 10.846
Emmanuel 10.769
11-20
Staten Island 10.760
Mount St. Mary 10.741
King's 10.708
Howard Payne 10.708
Trinity (Texas) 10.667
DePauw 10.667
Salem State 10.640
Messiah 10.625
Buena Vista 10.591
George Fox 10.500
21-30
Baldwin-Wallace 10.480
Dickinson 10.458
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.409
Albion 10.409
Washington U. 10.350
UW-Stout 10.350
Mary Washington 10.333
Whitworth 10.316
McDaniel 10.308
Hardin-Simmons 10.292
31-40
Brandeis 10.292
Moravian 10.280
DeSales 10.240
New York University 10.208
Greensboro 10.182
Wilmington 10.160
UW-Oshkosh 10.120
Calvin 10.100
Ithaca 10.087
St. Benedict 10.042
41-50
Maine Maritime 10.042
Williams 10.000
New Jersey 10.000
Kenyon 10.000
Catholic 9.962
Fitchburg State 9.926
Alvernia 9.926
Hope 9.905
St. John Fisher 9.875
Johns Hopkins 9.870
51-60
UW-Stevens Point 9.846
Maryville (Mo.) 9.833
William Smith 9.826
Norwich 9.818
Cortland State 9.731
Brockport State 9.720
Simpson 9.714
Worcester State 9.696
Concordia-Moorhead 9.696
Ripon 9.682
61-70
Washington and Jefferson 9.650
Carleton 9.640
Bridgewater (Va.) 9.640
Mount Holyoke 9.636
Maine-Farmington 9.630
Frostburg State 9.565
Webster 9.560
McMurry 9.560
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.520
Richard Stockton 9.500
71-80
Colby-Sawyer 9.440
Lebanon Valley 9.435
Capital 9.400
Westminster (Pa.) 9.360
Oneonta State 9.346
Franklin 9.318
Denison 9.250
Sewanee 9.240
Amherst 9.231
Union 9.217
81-90
St. Lawrence 9.200
Puget Sound 9.190
Lawrence 9.182
Baruch 9.182
Wesley 9.167
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.158
Cal Lutheran 9.143
Illinois Wesleyan 9.125
UW-River Falls 9.050
Transylvania 9.050
91-100
Tufts 9.043
Luther 9.043
Babson 9.038
Western New England 9.000
Pitt-Greensburg 9.000
Chapman 9.000
Austin 9.000
Eastern Connecticut 8.963
Rowan 8.962
Wittenberg 8.960
Joel,
I agree with some things u said. But King's has no "bad" losses (Scranton 2x, Messiah, & DeSales, though King's beat DeSales 2x as well). No one in the country beat Scranton at full strength. Williams beat them in the 1st game of the season with Scranton's best player out. Scranton has 26 in a row since. Just my opinion, like you have yours, that King's should be in.
As I have learned through all of the postings there are 5 criteria they use to evaluate what teams receive pool C bids. The unfortunate thing for all of us is that we have NO idea what order of importance they will use in their analysis. All of us are crunching numbers and ranking teams based on SOSI and regional records, which is the logical way to look at it. I just looked at D3hoops board of teams and read the way they looked at the final 4 spots for Pool C, which they listed with SOSI and record against regionally ranked teams. I also know that everyone has a strong case for the team they favor because lets face it, with only 50 teams making the tournament(7 C's) that doesn't leave out 1 or 2 qualified teams, it actually leaves out more than a dozen. There will be less heartache next year due to the expansion of the tournament, but for now we all have to sweat it out.
Now on to my argument for my team, NYU.
I agree that the 20-5 record isn't the most appealing to everyone out there, which obviously ranks them lower in the SOSI (10.375 after last night), but NYU is 5-2 against regionally ranked teams, which is better than the other "bubble teams". Look at the teams D3hoops has contending for the last spots.
Whitworth 16-3 (10.316, 4-3)
Wheaton 19-3 (10.409, 1-2)
Hardin-Simmons 20-4 (10.292, 3-3)
NYU 19-5 (10.375, 5-2)
Isn't it funny to see that the SOSI is still better than 2 of the 3 and has a (.714) winning percentage against regionally ranked teams.
Wash U 1-1 (lost by 3 at one of the toughest places to play in the country) ranked ALL year
Brandeis 1-1 top 15 team
Staten Island 1-0 (ranked #2 Atlantic)
Mount St. Mary 1-0 (#1 in Atlantic, their only loss this year)
COrtland 1-0 (#5 in East)
To me it should be SOS, not SOSI because just look at the teams on a schedule opposed to only rating it by the wins and losses on points. There are more NCAA teams on NYU's schedule than any other in the country and they still went 5-2 against ranked teams, which says a lot. Their 2 losses are to Wash U and Brandeis and in my opinion are Final Four caliber teams. The committee will do what they think is right for this season and I feel for everyone out there if your team doesn't make it.
My number was wrong on NYU SOSI...I apologize. I see the updated numbers state 10.208.
I am sure that the NCAA considers Carthage's region record to be 9-11. Their loss to Hope should be a region game, and their win against Manchester is not a region game. Therefore Wheaton's SOSI is actually 10.273.
Also, the computer for some reason isn't crediting Oshkosh with a region win over Rockford. That is a 15 point win and makes their SOSI 10.308
Sadly, I think Wheaton will lose out to Oshkosh in the region. And stands little chance, then, nationally.
(Message edited by skafkas on February 27, 2005)
Well Steve, if it makes you feel any better, Pat's mock bracket has Wheaton in.
I saw that, but with these changes I don't think he would have made the same decision.
If Wheaton had beat Illinois Wesleyan and lost to Millikin, then they would have had a much better shot, with a 10.478 SOSI. They had their chance and knew that they needed to win that game.
Just to clarify, Manchester is indeed within 200 miles and is a regional game.
Trinity(TX) beat DePauw, most likely handing DePauw a Pool C berth and taking one away from a bubble team.
Just to let everyone know--
I have given up on trying to make a mock bracket of my Pool C picks based on this weekend's action. As my alma-mater, Brandeis, is on the very crowded bubble for a Pool C, it would not be fair for me to make a mock bracket-- I just feel that there are a lot of ways for the national committee to go with their picks.
Here are what I feel are the top 12 Pool C candidates, going strictly by order of regional percentage-- only the top 2 are definitely Pool C locks, in my opinion:
1.) Buena Vista-- 21-1 .955
2.) Bates-- 23-2 .920
3.) Oswego State-- 23-3 .885
4.) DePauw-- 22-3 .880
5.) Dickinson-- 22-3 .880
6.) Wheaton (IL)-- 19-3 .864
7.) Albion-- 19-3 .864
8.) Whitworth-- 16-3 .842
9.) Hardin-Simmons-- 20-4 .833
10.) Brandeis-- 20-4 .833
11.) Wesleyan-- 20-4 .833
12.) King's-- 20-4 .833
The 13th top candidate is NYU with a 19-5 reg. record (.792). However, there are just too many good teams this year above .800 regional percentage.
I just hope that the national commitee can make a fair and just decision.
Pat,
Nice job on your projections I am counting 3 misses. (really 2) Unfortunately Wheaton was one of them including Hardin Simmons, Whitworth. With the committee taking Weslelyan & McDaniel and DePauw sliding to Pool C with the loss to Trinity.
Being new to the process wondering your thoughts...
Were Wesleyan and McDaniel on your radar screen?
Is it typical for the NESCAC to get 3 teams?
Was it straight SOSI with these pool C's?
Thanks
Pat,
sorry I see McDaniel is an AQ...so you really only missed on Wheaton, was the Trinity upset our undoing?
Not to speak for Pat, but it was a combination of the Trinity/Buena Vista upsets and that Wheaton's SOSI came in lower than expected.
Pat, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Joel,
thanks...what did wheaton fall from to 10.227? and where did Wesleyan end up?
didn't want to discount the Wheaton loss to IWU either...just wondering if the upsets had more of an impact or the loss to IWU or as I suspect a combination of both. Could we say if we beat IWU we are in? or was our destiny not completely in our hands?
Joel, Huckleberry:
We had HSU and Wheaton on the premise that there would be no Sunday upsets. We had to project winners for Sunday games or else run through countless permutations of the bracket.
I'm a little foggy on the details, but I think we would've had both DePauw and Dickinson in the bracket had they been considered Pool C teams.
What we didn't expect was Whitworth getting bumped for Wesleyan. That was a surprise.
Agreed -- and Wesleyan didn't expect it either. They didn't have anyone listening to the conference call last night and they had stopped practicing after their loss in the NESCAC quarterfinals.
That's the kind of info that's gotta make the committee feel all warm and fuzzy. Hope they didn't have their banquet already...
So did the committee go straight off the final SOSI? was wesleyan higher than wheaton?
Sorry...i scrolled up further and found my answer
I see as of Saturday Wesleyan was 11.167 wheaton 10.409 so this seems to be the case.
I think it did come down to SOSI. Wesleyan's was the fifth best in the country and so much better than Whitworth's.
In terms of Wheaton, even without a DePauw and Buena Vista loss it would have been tough. I am not sure that Wheaton was ranked ahead of Oshkosh in the region even. With adjustments to their SOSI they are almost even and Oshkosh had a much better record against ranked teams.
If they had beat IWU and lost to Millikin they would have had a slightly better chance. I think their SOSI would have been 10.522, which is better than Albion which was probably the last team in.
As we prepare to run the QOW for the first time this season, here's the final SOSI numbers from the 2004-05 regular season:
Teams 1-100
Bates 11.920
Bowdoin 11.810
Scranton 11.375
Millikin 11.364
Wesleyan 11.167
Randolph-Macon 11.077
Springfield 10.957
Howard Payne 10.880
Trinity (Texas) 10.864
Oswego State 10.846
Southern Maine 10.769
Emmanuel 10.769
Staten Island 10.760
Mount St. Mary 10.741
King's 10.708
Salem State 10.640
Messiah 10.625
Buena Vista 10.591
DePauw 10.520
George Fox 10.500
Mary Washington 10.500
McDaniel 10.481
Baldwin-Wallace 10.480
Albion 10.409
Washington U. 10.350
UW-Stout 10.350
DeSales 10.320
Whitworth 10.316
UW-Oshkosh 10.308
Hardin-Simmons 10.292
Brandeis 10.292
Dickinson 10.280
Moravian 10.280
Ithaca 10.250
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.227
New York University 10.208
Greensboro 10.182
New Jersey 10.174
Wilmington 10.160
Catholic 10.115
Calvin 10.100
St. Benedict 10.042
Kenyon 10.000
Alvernia 10.000
Williams 10.000
Maine Maritime 9.958
Hope 9.955
Fitchburg State 9.926
Johns Hopkins 9.870
UW-Stevens Point 9.846
Maryville (Mo.) 9.833
William Smith 9.826
Norwich 9.818
St. John Fisher 9.760
Cortland State 9.731
Brockport State 9.720
Simpson 9.714
Concordia-Moorhead 9.696
Worcester State 9.696
Ripon 9.682
Washington and Jefferson 9.650
Carleton 9.640
Bridgewater (Va.) 9.640
Mount Holyoke 9.636
Richard Stockton 9.593
Frostburg State 9.565
Webster 9.560
Maine-Farmington 9.556
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.520
McMurry 9.462
Colby-Sawyer 9.440
Lebanon Valley 9.435
Capital 9.400
Westminster (Pa.) 9.360
Oneonta State 9.346
Franklin 9.318
Denison 9.250
Sewanee 9.240
Amherst 9.231
Union 9.217
St. Lawrence 9.200
Puget Sound 9.182
Lawrence 9.182
Baruch 9.182
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.158
UW-River Falls 9.150
Cal Lutheran 9.143
Wesley 9.083
Transylvania 9.050
Luther 9.043
Tufts 9.043
Babson 9.038
Rowan 9.037
Austin 9.000
Chapman 9.000
Western New England 9.000
Pitt-Greensburg 9.000
Eastern Connecticut 8.963
Wittenberg 8.960
Illinois Wesleyan 8.958
Teams 101-200
totalpts Descending
Roanoke 8.923
Edgewood 8.917
Rochester 8.913
Concordia-Austin 8.909
Ohio Wesleyan 8.889
Stevens 8.870
Case Western Reserve 8.850
Piedmont 8.842
Castleton State 8.833
Villa Julie 8.833
Rockford 8.833
Marymount 8.826
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 8.800
St. Norbert 8.792
Mississippi College 8.783
Endicott 8.778
Clark 8.778
Otterbein 8.739
UW-Eau Claire 8.739
Pacific Lutheran 8.737
Allegheny 8.731
Bridgewater State 8.667
Emory and Henry 8.654
Chicago 8.636
Chowan 8.611
Husson 8.565
St. Mary's (Minn.) 8.560
Redlands 8.550
UW-Whitewater 8.524
Mary Hardin-Baylor 8.522
Montclair State 8.500
Widener 8.480
Thomas More 8.462
Rutgers-Newark 8.462
Wartburg 8.435
Medaille 8.435
Salisbury 8.435
Louisiana College 8.429
Suffolk 8.423
William Paterson 8.423
Grove City 8.409
Gwynedd-Mercy 8.370
Fredonia State 8.360
Rhodes 8.350
Utica 8.320
Coast Guard 8.320
Hamilton 8.304
Illinois College 8.263
Drew 8.261
Simmons 8.250
St. Mary's (Md.) 8.240
Ferrum 8.227
Whitman 8.222
Lehman 8.208
Middlebury 8.208
Hendrix 8.190
Eastern Mennonite 8.167
Keene State 8.148
Gustavus Adolphus 8.136
Elmhurst 8.130
RPI 8.087
Hood 8.087
Linfield 8.053
Nazareth 8.050
Lake Forest 8.045
Gordon 8.038
UW-Platteville 8.000
Misericordia 8.000
Chestnut Hill 7.960
Salve Regina 7.960
Lakeland 7.875
Penn State-Behrend 7.840
Delaware Valley 7.826
Hunter 7.808
Susquehanna 7.783
FDU-Florham 7.783
Rose-Hulman 7.773
Westminster (Mo.) 7.750
Thomas 7.696
Coe 7.667
Kings Point 7.667
Swarthmore 7.667
North Central 7.650
Hartwick 7.636
Virginia Wesleyan 7.625
Connecticut College 7.619
Washington and Lee 7.609
Defiance 7.600
Rosemont 7.600
Nebraska Wesleyan 7.571
Peace 7.565
Gettysburg 7.560
Geneseo State 7.560
Mt. St. Joseph 7.545
Southwestern 7.545
Marian 7.522
Ramapo 7.500
Benedictine 7.500
Ohio Northern 7.500
East Texas Baptist 7.476
Teams 201-300
St. Thomas 7.458
Eureka 7.423
La Verne 7.412
Loras 7.409
Hanover 7.400
Rhode Island College 7.400
Westfield State 7.400
Cabrini 7.391
Mount Ida 7.385
Wheaton (Mass.) 7.348
Roger Williams 7.346
Carthage 7.333
Kalamazoo 7.333
Wooster 7.318
Keuka 7.313
Manhattanville 7.308
Marietta 7.304
Worcester Polytech 7.250
Muhlenberg 7.240
Eastern 7.238
Cazenovia 7.235
Texas Lutheran 7.227
UW-La Crosse 7.217
Wellesley 7.200
Fontbonne 7.200
Ursinus 7.200
St. Joseph (Conn.) 7.200
Guilford 7.192
Kean 7.182
University of New England 7.167
Heidelberg 7.160
John Carroll 7.136
Mass-Dartmouth 7.115
Baptist Bible 7.100
Huntingdon 7.100
Western Connecticut 7.087
Maranatha Baptist 7.063
New York City Tech 7.043
North Park 7.000
Stephens 7.000
Albertus Magnus 6.957
Buffalo State 6.955
Elizabethtown 6.955
Lycoming 6.955
New Jersey City 6.950
Elms 6.917
Emory 6.913
Methodist 6.875
York (Pa.) 6.833
Occidental 6.824
Oberlin 6.800
Christopher Newport 6.773
New England College 6.769
Willamette 6.765
Fisk 6.765
Averett 6.760
Trinity (Conn.) 6.750
Franklin and Marshall 6.750
Plymouth State 6.739
Millsaps 6.667
York (N.Y.) 6.650
Mary Baldwin 6.615
Notre Dame (Md.) 6.609
Plattsburgh State 6.591
Skidmore 6.583
Wisconsin Lutheran 6.583
Alma 6.533
Carroll 6.524
Centenary 6.520
St. Olaf 6.500
Rochester Tech 6.480
New Paltz State 6.458
Pomona-Pitzer 6.450
Pitt-Bradford 6.409
SUNY-Old Westbury 6.409
Lynchburg 6.391
St. Joseph's (Maine) 6.385
Lasell 6.375
St. Mary's (Ind.) 6.316
Brooklyn 6.304
Emerson 6.286
Rutgers-Camden 6.261
Shenandoah 6.250
Centre 6.208
Wentworth Tech 6.208
La Roche 6.182
Manchester 6.182
Thiel 6.182
Eastern Nazarene 6.125
LaGrange 6.111
Greenville 6.105
Beloit 6.100
Central 6.100
Adrian 6.095
Texas-Dallas 6.091
Colby 6.087
Aurora 6.074
Pine Manor 6.043
Bethel 6.042
Monmouth 6.000
Teams 301-400
Becker 6.000
Grinnell 6.000
Elmira 6.000
Oglethorpe 6.000
Gallaudet 5.947
Augustana 5.947
Pacific 5.941
Whittier 5.933
Bethany 5.905
Blackburn 5.900
Albright 5.864
Dubuque 5.857
Waynesburg 5.833
Vassar 5.810
UW-Superior 5.778
Smith 5.778
University of Dallas 5.769
Mt. St. Vincent 5.737
Mount Union 5.727
MacMurray 5.700
Penn State-Altoona 5.696
D'Youville 5.667
Colorado College 5.667
Concordia (Wis.) 5.652
Lesley 5.652
Muskingum 5.636
North Carolina Wesleyan 5.619
Neumann 5.619
Trinity (D.C.) 5.600
Hiram 5.600
Alfred 5.583
Nichols 5.560
Anderson 5.500
Marywood 5.435
Hamline 5.409
Mass-Boston 5.391
Carnegie Mellon 5.391
Curry 5.375
Milwaukee Engineering 5.364
St. Joseph's (L.I.) 5.348
Lincoln 5.333
Juniata 5.318
University of the Ozarks 5.286
St. Catherine's 5.286
Russell Sage 5.261
Augsburg 5.190
Hollins 5.182
Lewis and Clark 5.158
UC Santa Cruz 5.154
Newbury 5.154
Clarke 5.150
Sul Ross State 5.143
CCNY 5.130
Concordia (Ill.) 5.091
Olivet 5.059
SUNYIT 5.048
Immaculata 5.043
Southern Vermont 5.000
Meredith 5.000
John Jay 5.000
Wilkes 4.957
Massachusetts College 4.955
Agnes Scott 4.929
Clarkson 4.909
Anna Maria 4.880
Washington College 4.875
Dominican 4.818
Goucher 4.800
Bluffton 4.750
Regis (Mass.) 4.739
St. Elizabeth 4.714
Daniel Webster 4.700
Framingham State 4.682
MIT 4.682
Earlham 4.682
Johnson State 4.636
Rust 4.600
Randolph-Macon Woman's 4.571
Hilbert 4.478
Bryn Mawr 4.450
LeTourneau 4.429
Philadelphia Bible 4.333
Johnson and Wales 4.333
Arcadia 4.273
Haverford 4.263
Schreiner 4.217
Macalester 4.167
Alverno 4.158
Medgar Evers 4.000
Cedar Crest 4.000
Wilson 4.000
Wheelock 3.905
Caltech 3.867
Bard 3.786
Polytechnic 3.733
Cornell 3.579
Knox 3.579
Bay Path 3.524
Potsdam State 3.500
Wesleyan (Ga.) 3.467
Teams 401+
Principia 3.357
Chatham 3.158
SUNY-Maritime 3.000
Rivier 2.952
Lake Erie 2.950
New Rochelle 2.667
This season's Top 100, through Dec. 25:
DePauw 13.833
Pacific Lutheran 13.000
Southern Maine 12.875
Middlebury 12.667
Scranton 12.600
UW-La Crosse 12.375
Bowdoin 12.167
Moravian 12.111
McMurry 12.000
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 11.750
Virginia Wesleyan 11.667
Brandeis 11.667
Emory 11.600
Baldwin-Wallace 11.429
Luther 11.400
Clark 11.375
Calvin 11.333
Salem State 11.333
Johns Hopkins 11.333
Oglethorpe 11.286
Richard Stockton 11.250
Lawrence 11.200
Capital 11.143
Kean 11.000
St. John Fisher 11.000
New York University 11.000
Mississippi College 10.875
Bates 10.857
Washington and Jefferson 10.857
Hope 10.857
Fredonia State 10.750
Howard Payne 10.750
Mount Holyoke 10.714
Muhlenberg 10.667
Chicago 10.667
Randolph-Macon 10.667
Oneonta State 10.625
Lewis and Clark 10.500
Keene State 10.429
Rochester 10.429
Otterbein 10.400
Williams 10.375
UW-Oshkosh 10.333
Olivet 10.333
Messiah 10.286
Fitchburg State 10.286
Cortland State 10.200
Eastern Connecticut 10.167
Bridgewater State 10.167
Hardin-Simmons 10.125
Carroll 10.000
McDaniel 10.000
Wesleyan 10.000
Emmanuel 10.000
St. Benedict 10.000
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.000
Catholic 9.875
Hunter 9.857
Maine-Farmington 9.800
St. Norbert 9.800
Wilmington 9.778
Gustavus Adolphus 9.750
Gwynedd-Mercy 9.714
Medaille 9.714
King's 9.714
Kenyon 9.667
Concordia-Moorhead 9.667
Lake Forest 9.625
Salve Regina 9.625
Wheaton (Mass.) 9.625
Salisbury 9.600
Delaware Valley 9.600
Sewanee 9.600
Brockport State 9.571
Colby-Sawyer 9.571
Tufts 9.500
St. Thomas 9.500
Rosemont 9.500
Piedmont 9.500
Manchester 9.400
Utica 9.400
Mary Washington 9.400
Nazareth 9.400
University of New England 9.375
Puget Sound 9.333
Franklin 9.333
Vassar 9.333
Mount St. Mary 9.333
Hendrix 9.333
Illinois Wesleyan 9.333
Greensboro 9.250
Bethel 9.250
Babson 9.250
Rockford 9.222
Rhode Island College 9.222
William Paterson 9.222
Trinity (Conn.) 9.200
Maine Maritime 9.167
New England College 9.167
Lakeland/Springfield/Marian 9.143
Pat,
I'd ask the same question I asked on the men's board, but I suspect I'd get the same answer! ;D
Instead, based on your memory, would you say that 10.4 is about the bottom of the 'probably safe' range, while 10.1 is about the top of the 'you have a chance, but...' range? I realize there are probably exceptions at both ends, but do I have the range about right?
Oh, I'll be honest -- with so many more Pool C bids this year I don't suspect it matters much where the old floor was.
Fair enough! ;D
I guess we're into a whole new ballgame on what QOW (SOSI) is good enough to make 'the dance'!
You guys may have already touched on this, but can you explain SOS to me, and point me to where I can find a reference? I just want to judge our non-conference schedule versus the "norm", or average, I guess.
Feel free to email me as well.
Thanks!
Coach KP
Aurora University Women's Basketball
Keith, good morning!
Please refer to the NCAA Handbook for the details on the QOWI (SOS)
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf
and under the FAQ...
http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament
Aurora is in Pool B, so you can find the combined wisdom ??? of multiple pundits as the season progresses.
For the lurkers, Aurora and the NIIC are competing with the GSAC, the Pres AC, and Chapman, among others for the Pool B bids. After the Pool B bids are allocated, then the remaining teams are moved to Pool C.
Ralph,
Thanks for the info! I am lost with the whole Pool B and C bids...we got killed non-conference, but as a first year staff, we hope to make a run in conference. However, I remember in my playing days (98 or so), Simpson (IA) went like 23-3, won the conference, but didn't get a bid..and since our record wont be nearly that pretty, and we dont have an AQ this year, we may be out of luck even IF we get hot in conference...could you foresee no NIIC teams getting in (on the ladies side)? or better yet, would QOWI impact a decision if, lets say, Rockford didn't win the conference, but had 3-4 losses, and another NIIC team wins conference with a .500 record or better...I'm looking at non-conference in region games, so could you have a team with a better QOWI but worse record?
Keith, I will give my opinion here, but feel free to email me for other questions as you wish.
The Primary Selection criteria are listed, so there is some "wiggle" room for the committee when they select.
I see the NIIC has 3 major contenders for 4 slots...W&J/Pres AC, Chapman and the GSAC champ/Maryville TN. I also don't know whether the NEAC teams will mount a challenge, e.g. Villa Julie College. I also think that the NIIC will get one bid, so probably the "Champion" will get it.
So far Rockford and Eureka both have good tournament résumés. Remember that even if someone upsets one of them in the NIIC tournament, that wouldn't guarantee them the front-runner spot for a Pool B bid. The winner of the conference tournament is not guaranteed anything, basically, aside from what they earn in the season as a whole.
At 3-7 in region, Aurora pretty much has to run the table to end up 17-7 in region and be in good shape for a Pool B bid. Current QOW: 7.600.
Pat,
This is probably a dumb question, but that's never stopped me before. ::)
The QoWI is posted on D3fb as a regular feature/link. Have you given any thought to doing that on D3hoops, or do the number of teams participating and the frequency of games make it more work than it's worth?
While we're on the subject of QoWI, you might want to update the site FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=35). It still uses the term "SoSI."
Thank'ee ...
Number of games, frequency of games, and schools who don't post scores make it impossible to update the QOWSOSPOSi on a regular basis.
QOW through Thursday night's games:
1-10
Scranton 12.800
DePauw 12.444
Pacific Lutheran 12.375
McMurry 11.929
Southern Maine 11.857
Baldwin-Wallace 11.750
Hope 11.714
Wesleyan 11.636
Bowdoin 11.636
Messiah 11.455
11-20
Brandeis 11.333
Oglethorpe 11.250
St. John Fisher 11.182
Rochester 11.154
New York University 11.143
Salem State 11.091
Williams 11.000
Washington U. 10.875
Hardin-Simmons 10.846
Middlebury 10.833
21-30
Randolph-Macon 10.833
Mary Washington 10.818
Bates 10.769
Chicago 10.727
George Fox 10.714
Mississippi College 10.692
Moravian 10.643
Muhlenberg 10.643
Mount St. Mary 10.615
Eastern Connecticut 10.615
31-40
Carroll 10.600
Capital 10.538
Lawrence 10.500
Richard Stockton 10.462
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.462
Clark 10.462
Trinity (Texas) 10.429
Maryville (Mo.) 10.400
Cortland State 10.364
UW-Oshkosh 10.286
41-50
Mount Holyoke 10.250
UW-La Crosse 10.250
Medaille 10.250
Catholic 10.231
Otterbein 10.214
Concordia-Moorhead 10.167
Virginia Wesleyan 10.167
Springfield 10.143
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.111
Puget Sound 10.091
51-60
Howard Payne 10.077
Gustavus Adolphus 10.077
RPI 10.000
Calvin 10.000
Illinois Wesleyan 10.000
Union 10.000
Oneonta State 9.917
Simpson 9.875
Franklin 9.846
St. Norbert 9.818
61-70
McDaniel 9.800
Millikin 9.750
St. Benedict 9.727
Maine Maritime 9.727
Washington and Jefferson 9.727
Johns Hopkins 9.727
Luther 9.700
St. Lawrence 9.700
William Smith 9.667
DeSales 9.643
71-80
Norwich 9.636
Wilmington 9.625
Bridgewater (Va.) 9.600
Emory 9.600
Fredonia State 9.583
Bridgewater State 9.583
Ripon 9.545
Colby-Sawyer 9.538
Salisbury 9.500
Albright 9.500
81-90
Chapman 9.500
University of New England 9.462
William Paterson 9.429
Maine-Farmington 9.364
Oswego State 9.364
Western New England 9.364
Buena Vista 9.333
New Jersey 9.308
UW-Stevens Point 9.286
Hanover 9.273
91-100
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.250
Wittenberg 9.250
Widener 9.200
Kean 9.200
Wesley 9.200
Kenyon 9.182
Nichols 9.167
Montclair State 9.154
Rockford 9.143
Emmanuel 9.100
QOW index through games of Thursday, Jan. 26:
1-10
DePauw 12.727
Scranton 12.583
Southern Maine 11.938
Hope 11.867
Baldwin-Wallace 11.857
Williams 11.813
New York University 11.750
Pacific Lutheran 11.700
Bowdoin 11.667
Rochester 11.533
11-20
Wesleyan 11.500
Mary Washington 11.385
Messiah 11.308
Brandeis 11.286
McMurry 11.250
Bates 11.200
Oglethorpe 10.786
Trinity (Texas) 10.778
Randolph-Macon 10.733
Lawrence 10.727
21-30
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.727
Concordia-Moorhead 10.714
Washington U. 10.700
Eastern Connecticut 10.688
Carroll 10.667
St. John Fisher 10.643
Mississippi College 10.625
Cortland State 10.615
Mount St. Mary 10.600
Middlebury 10.467
31-40
Hardin-Simmons 10.400
Puget Sound 10.385
Moravian 10.375
Mount Holyoke 10.357
Richard Stockton 10.333
UW-Oshkosh 10.313
Virginia Wesleyan 10.308
Medaille 10.286
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.267
Muhlenberg 10.235
41-50
Illinois Wesleyan 10.214
Salem State 10.214
Catholic 10.188
William Smith 10.167
Capital 10.143
Union 10.133
UW-La Crosse 10.071
Oneonta State 10.071
McDaniel 10.000
Calvin 10.000
51-60
Johns Hopkins 10.000
Norwich 10.000
Chicago 10.000
Emory 10.000
Greensboro 10.000
George Fox 10.000
Albright 9.929
Emmanuel 9.923
Simpson 9.900
Maryville (Mo.) 9.857
61-70
Washington and Jefferson 9.846
UW-Stevens Point 9.813
Colby-Sawyer 9.800
Howard Payne 9.800
Gustavus Adolphus 9.800
Wittenberg 9.786
Springfield 9.750
Chapman 9.727
Bridgewater State 9.714
Maine-Farmington 9.714
71-80
Bridgewater (Va.) 9.706
Baruch 9.643
Otterbein 9.625
St. Norbert 9.615
Franklin 9.600
UW-Stout 9.538
Fredonia State 9.533
RPI 9.500
Lake Forest 9.500
Hood 9.500
81-90
St. Lawrence 9.462
St. Benedict 9.462
Maine Maritime 9.429
Luther 9.417
New Jersey 9.333
Endicott 9.333
Rockford 9.313
Wesley 9.308
DeSales 9.294
Kean 9.294
91-100
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.286
Oswego State 9.286
Wilmington 9.278
Clark 9.250
Ripon 9.231
Olivet 9.222
Montclair State 9.200
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.200
Elmira 9.200
Millikin 9.143
On the men's Pool C message board, I have listed the teams with the best In-Region Percentages, which is one of the criteria in the Men's and Women's Handbook.
Here are the Regional Standings for the women. For this listing I am have assumed that the team in conference with the best in-region record will be the Pool A bid from that conference.
Northeast Region
Southern Maine (LEC) 16 1 .941 18 1 .947
Bowdoin (NESCAC) 14 2 .875 17 2 .895
Eastern Connecticut (LEC) 16 3 .842 17 3 .850
Williams (NESCAC) 15 3 .833 18 3 .857
Maine-Farmington (NAC-E) 14 3 .824 15 3 .833
*Brandeis (UAA) 14 3 .824 14 3 .824
Norwich (GNAC) 13 3 .813 18 3 .857
**Bridgewater State (MASCAC) 13 3 .813 16 3 .842
Salem State (MASCAC) 13 3 .813 16 3 .842
Mount Holyoke (NEWMAC) 13 3 .813 15 3 .833
Maine Maritime (NAC-E) 13 3 .813 14 3 .824
Emmanuel (GNAC) 13 3 .813 15 5 .750 6 teams > .799
Colby-Sawyer (CCC-N) 14 4 .778 14 4 .778
Wesleyan (NESCAC) 14 4 .778 14 6 .700
Springfield (NEWMAC) 13 5 .722 15 5 .750
Bates (NESCAC) 13 5 .722 14 7 .667
Nichols (CCC-S) 12 5 .706 13 6 .684 10 teams >.699
*Washington StL leads that UAA and has the best in-region record.
**Salem St has the better QOWI.
East Region
Medaille (AMCC) 16 1 .941 17 1 .944
Cortland State (SUNYAC) 15 1 .938 16 2 .889
*New York University (UAA) 17 2 .895 17 2 .895
St. John Fisher (E8) 15 2 .882 17 2 .895
*Rochester (UAA) 15 3 .833 15 4 .789
St. Lawrence (LL) 13 3 .813 13 6 .684
William Smith (LL) 12 3 .800 14 4 .778 3 teams >.799
Oneonta State (SUNYAC) 13 4 .765 14 5 .737
Oswego State (SUNYAC) 12 4 .750 13 5 .722
Utica (E8) 11 4 .733 14 4 .778 6 teams >.699
*WashStL has the best record in the UAA.
Atlantic Region
Mary Washington (CAC) 15 0 1.000 19 0 1.000
Mount St. Mary (SKY) 16 2 .889 18 2 .900
Richard Stockton (NJAC) 15 3 .833 16 4 .800 0 teams >.799
Baruch (CUNYAC) 13 3 .813 15 5 .750
*Frostburg State (AMCC) 11 4 .733 13 5 .722
Catholic (CAC) 13 5 .722 15 5 .750
Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) 14 6 .700 14 6 .700 3 teams>.699
* Medaille has the best record in the AMCC
Mid-Atlantic Region
Scranton (MACF) 14 0 1.000 19 1 .950
Messiah (MACC) 14 1 .933 18 2 .900
Muhlenberg (CC) 18 2 .900 18 2 .900
Johns Hopkins (CC) 13 2 .867 15 4 .789
Gwynedd-Mercy (PnAC) 15 3 .833 16 3 .842 1 team>.799
Moravian (MACC) 15 4 .789 16 4 .800
McDaniel (CC) 15 4 .789 15 5 .750
Baptist Bible (NEAC) 11 3 .786 14 4 .778 Pool B candidate
Dickinson (CC) 14 5 .737 14 5 .737
Chestnut Hill (AWCC) 10 4 .714 13 5 .722 4 non-Pool B teams >.699
South Region
McMurry (ASC-W) 17 1 .944 19 1 .950
Randolph-Macon (ODAC) 16 1 .941 18 2 .900
Hardin-Simmons (ASC-W) 16 2 .889 17 2 .895
Mississippi College (ASC-E) 16 2 .889 16 2 .889
*Oglethorpe (SCAC) 15 2 .882 17 3 .850
Greensboro (USAC) 10 2 .833 13 6 .684
Howard Payne (ASC-W) 14 3 .824 16 3 .842 4 teams>.799
Bridgewater (Va.) (ODAC) 15 4 .789 15 4 .789
Maryville (Tenn.) (GSAC) 13 4 .765 14 5 .737 Pool B Candidate
*Trinity (Texas) (SCAC) 9 3 .750 14 5 .737
Agnes Scott (GSAC) 9 3 .750 11 9 .550 Pool B Candidate
Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC) 11 4 .733 13 6 .684 7 non-Pool B teams>.699
The ASC determines its Pool A bid by an 8-team post-season tourney which will be held on the "East" this year.
*DePauw has the best record in the SCAC.
Great Lakes Region
Baldwin-Wallace (OAC) 16 0 1.000 18 2 .900
*DePauw (SCAC) 14 0 1.000 20 1 .952
Finlandia (IND) 2 0 1.000 7 12 .368 Provisional
Hope (MIAA) 16 1 .941 19 1 .950
Calvin (MIAA) 10 1 .909 17 2 .895
Washington and Jefferson (PrAC) 12 2 .857 16 3 .842 Pool B
Franklin (HCAC) 14 3 .824 17 3 .850
Capital (OAC) 13 3 .813 17 3 .850
Denison (NCAC) 13 3 .813 17 4 .810 2 non-Pool B>.799
Otterbein (OAC) 14 4 .778 16 4 .800
**Pitt-Greensburg (AMCC) 13 4 .765 16 4 .800
Thomas More (PrAC) 11 4 .733 15 6 .714 Pool B
Wittenberg (NCAC) 12 5 .706 14 6 .700
Wilmington (OAC) 14 6 .700 14 6 .700 6 non-Pool B>.699
*DePauw has the best record in the SCAC.
**Medaille has the best record in the AMCC.
Central Region
Maryville (Mo.) (SLIAC) 9 0 1.000 15 4 .789
Rockford (NIIC) 15 2 .882 17 3 .850 Pool B
Lawrence (MWC) 13 2 .867 17 2 .895
*Washington U. (UAA) 11 2 .846 17 2 .895
Wheaton (Ill.) (CCIW) 11 2 .846 16 3 .842
Carroll (MWC) 13 3 .813 16 3 .842 1 non-Pool B>.799
Illinois Wesleyan (CCIW) 12 4 .750 15 5 .750
Concordia (Wis.) (LMC) 14 5 .737 15 7 .682
UW-Oshkosh (WIAC) 13 5 .722 15 6 .714
UW-Stevens Point (WIAC) 12 5 .706 15 5 .750 3 non-Pool B>.699
*WashStL has the best record in the UAA.
West Region
Simpson (IIAC) 12 0 1.000 17 3 .850
Puget Sound (NWC) 15 2 .882 18 3 .857
Pacific Lutheran (NWC) 11 2 .846 16 3 .842
Concordia-Moorhead (MIAC) 14 3 .824 15 4 .789
St. Benedict (MIAC) 13 3 .813 15 4 .789 2 teams>.799
Luther (IIAC) 10 3 .769 14 4 .778
Cal Lutheran (SCIAC) 9 3 .750 13 5 .722
Chapman (IND) 8 3 .727 12 6 .667 Pool B
Gustavus Adolphus (MIAC) 13 5 .722 13 5 .722
Buena Vista (IIAC) 10 4 .714 12 7 .632 5 non-Pool B>.699
I count 19 teams >.799 and 44 teams >.699.
The Handbook states that there will 4 Pool B bids and 21 Pool C bids awarded. I believe we can see the Pool C contenders (and Pool B contenders) from these lists.
My apologies for not getting to this yesterday, but here are the updated QOWIs through games of Thursday, Feb. 2. Although I did not post these until today, they do account for all regional games through Thursday and none of Friday's results.
1-10
DePauw 12.923
Southern Maine 12.059
Scranton 11.929
Williams 11.765
Rochester 11.706
Mary Washington 11.667
Baldwin-Wallace 11.625
Brandeis 11.625
Bowdoin 11.600
Hope 11.353
11-20
New York University 11.222
St. John Fisher 11.188
Cortland State 11.133
Bates 11.056
Randolph-Macon 11.000
Wesleyan 11.000
Oglethorpe 11.000
Messiah 11.000
McMurry 10.833
Washington U. 10.750
21-30
Simpson 10.750
Mount St. Mary 10.722
Pacific Lutheran 10.692
Capital 10.625
Puget Sound 10.625
Richard Stockton 10.611
Eastern Connecticut 10.579
William Smith 10.571
Mississippi College 10.500
Carroll 10.400
31-40
Hardin-Simmons 10.389
Illinois Wesleyan 10.375
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.368
Concordia-Moorhead 10.353
Muhlenberg 10.350
Medaille 10.294
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.231
Lawrence 10.214
Mount Holyoke 10.188
Springfield 10.167
41-50
Colby-Sawyer 10.167
Union 10.167
Moravian 10.158
UW-Oshkosh 10.111
Greensboro 10.083
Salem State 10.063
Otterbein 10.056
Wittenberg 10.000
Maryville (Mo.) 10.000
St. Benedict 10.000
51-60
Catholic 10.000
Middlebury 10.000
UW-La Crosse 9.938
St. Lawrence 9.933
Calvin 9.909
Trinity (Texas) 9.909
Gwynedd-Mercy 9.889
Maine-Farmington 9.882
Norwich 9.875
Johns Hopkins 9.867
61-70
Emory 9.857
UW-Stevens Point 9.824
Howard Payne 9.765
Chapman 9.727
Endicott 9.706
Oneonta State 9.706
Baruch 9.688
Emmanuel 9.688
Denison 9.667
Washington and Jefferson 9.643
71-80
Bridgewater State 9.625
Luther 9.615
Gustavus Adolphus 9.611
Chicago 9.600
Virginia Wesleyan 9.600
RPI 9.571
McDaniel 9.526
Wilmington 9.500
Rockford 9.471
New Jersey 9.471
81-90
Franklin 9.471
George Fox 9.455
Hood 9.385
Ripon 9.375
Maine Maritime 9.375
St. Norbert 9.375
Dickinson 9.316
Oswego State 9.313
Montclair State 9.278
Cal Lutheran 9.250
91-100
La Verne 9.200
Elmira 9.167
North Park 9.133
Lakeland 9.125
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.118
DeSales 9.105
Millikin 9.063
Keene State 9.059
Ithaca 9.000
Albright 9.000
1-10
Scranton 12.467
DePauw 12.400
Southern Maine 12.111
Baldwin-Wallace 11.706
Mary Washington 11.563
Bowdoin 11.529
Williams 11.526
Hope 11.471
Rochester 11.316
Messiah 11.125
11-20
Washington U. 11.071
St. John Fisher 11.056
Bates 11.000
New York University 11.000
Richard Stockton 11.000
Brandeis 11.000
Cortland State 10.882
Puget Sound 10.882
Pacific Lutheran 10.857
Randolph-Macon 10.833
21-30
Mount St. Mary 10.684
Wesleyan 10.684
Carroll 10.588
McMurry 10.579
Oglethorpe 10.556
St. Benedict 10.500
Capital 10.471
Muhlenberg 10.450
Concordia-Moorhead 10.421
Simpson 10.417
31-40
Maryville (Mo.) 10.400
Moravian 10.400
William Smith 10.375
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.357
Wittenberg 10.333
Lawrence 10.313
Emory 10.250
Salem State 10.235
Colby-Sawyer 10.158
Hardin-Simmons 10.158
41-50
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.150
Eastern Connecticut 10.150
Illinois Wesleyan 10.118
Norwich 10.118
Maine-Farmington 10.000
Springfield 10.000
Mississippi College 10.000
Calvin 10.000
Gustavus Adolphus 10.000
Bridgewater (Va.) 9.952
51-60
UW-Stevens Point 9.944
Maine Maritime 9.889
Otterbein 9.842
UW-Oshkosh 9.842
Medaille 9.833
UW-La Crosse 9.765
Mount Holyoke 9.765
Johns Hopkins 9.750
Catholic 9.737
Bridgewater State 9.706
61-70
St. Lawrence 9.706
Chapman 9.667
Baruch 9.667
Union 9.650
McDaniel 9.650
Emmanuel 9.647
Denison 9.647
Franklin 9.611
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.611
St. Norbert 9.556
71-80
Ripon 9.556
Howard Payne 9.556
Endicott 9.556
Dickinson 9.550
Chicago 9.529
Oneonta State 9.526
New Jersey 9.500
Greensboro 9.462
Luther 9.429
Montclair State 9.421
81-90
Carleton 9.389
Hood 9.385
Middlebury 9.368
Oswego State 9.353
DeSales 9.350
UW-Stout 9.313
Cal Lutheran 9.308
Wilmington 9.286
Lakeland 9.235
Trinity (Texas) 9.231
91-100
Nichols 9.222
Virginia Wesleyan 9.188
Western New England 9.176
Elmira 9.143
Christopher Newport 9.125
Marymount 9.125
Salve Regina 9.100
George Fox 9.077
Washington and Jefferson 9.067
Albright 9.059
Has there been any thought within in the NCAA about changing the QoWI? To me, this doesn't really seem like a good rating system. I guess I'm thinking something that better accounts for strength of schedule.
Hypothetically, a team could play and win all road games against teams from .333 to .500 (which I realize isn't possible and even less possible with conference schedules), or split home and road games with teams from .333 to .500 for 22 or so games and then beat 3 good teams(+.667) at home. This would give them a QoWI of 11 in the first case and 10.92(it's still 10.68 if the teams are .500-.667) in the second case, which would rank about 13th on the list...probably guaranteeing a Pool B/C bid, especially with the gowdy record. Even a loss in one of the +.667 games, wouldn't hurt this ranking much; the 10.92 would only fall to 10.68.
However, is this hypothetical team really as good as or better than Wash U(which I use because I know the team as an alum, so I can best use them to make my argument) and has a really close QoWI to this 11(11.071). Wash U has beaten DePauw, Brandeis, Rochester(x2), Chicago, and Emory and lost to NYU and Maryville.
This seems like a much stronger schedule than what I suggested in the first scenario and that a team playing it with the record Wash U has(18-2) would be much better than the team with the hypothetical QoWI of about 11 above(at either 25-0 or 25-1).
I'm not saying Brandeis/Rochester are not good teams(in fact, I think they're definitely tournament caliber and can make noise in the tournament---just the opposite), but I am just using them here because they illustrate my point well(I am NOT trying to equate them with the hypothetical team I developed earlier). Brandeis's QoWI is 11. Wash U beat them by 17. Rochester's QoWI is 11.316 and Wash U beat them by 24 at home and 4 on the road. (To account for the flip side, Wash U did lose to NYU with a QoWI of 11 by 2 and Maryville with a QoWI of 10.400 by 7).
I guess to me, it just seems that this system, as is, is flawed. Is a home win over a team that has a winning percentage <.333 always better than a close road(or home) loss to a good team? I would argue not always and rarely ever, especially in terms of getting ready for the close games of the tournament, but the QoWI rankings suggest yes.
I dont know why the NCAA couldn't just use it's RPI system(it already has it developed) and calculate it for D3. I don't know what the right system is...I don't have any answers, but these are just thoughts I've been having recently. I'm sure the NCAA doesn't want to spend time figuring it out though because D3 women's basketball doesn't generate too much revenue.
Thoughts?
Yes, there is talk about changing the measurement. Something was put on the ballot for the last NCAA convention but was tabled for further discussion.
With the advent of computerization and the ability to analyze reams of data, I think we will head this direction.
Thanks...I think that would be really good for the game.
Regional rankings:
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=125
Updated QOWI through games of Thursday, Feb. 9. Now includes regional record.
1-10
DePauw 12.400 15-0
Southern Maine 12.211 18-1
Scranton 12.188 16-0
Baldwin-Wallace 11.778 18-0
Bowdoin 11.765 15-2
Hope 11.556 17-1
Williams 11.526 16-3
Messiah 11.353 16-1
Rochester 11.316 15-4
Mary Washington 11.235 17-0
11-20
Brandeis 11.111 15-3
Bates 11.105 14-5
Randolph-Macon 10.944 17-1
Washington U. 10.929 12-2
New York University 10.900 17-3
Cortland State 10.882 16-1
St. John Fisher 10.842 17-2
Wesleyan 10.789 15-4
Richard Stockton 10.700 17-3
Oglethorpe 10.667 16-2
21-30
Puget Sound 10.647 15-2
Mount St. Mary 10.600 18-2
Muhlenberg 10.591 20-2
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.571 18-3
Pacific Lutheran 10.571 12-2
Capital 10.556 15-3
Carroll 10.471 14-3
Moravian 10.381 17-4
William Smith 10.375 13-3
McMurry 10.350 18-2
31-40
Colby-Sawyer 10.300 16-4
Johns Hopkins 10.278 16-2
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.267 13-2
Emory 10.250 10-6
Salem State 10.222 15-3
Springfield 10.200 15-5
Eastern Connecticut 10.190 16-5
St. Benedict 10.158 16-3
Simpson 10.154 13-0
Wittenberg 10.105 14-5
41-50
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.091 18-4
Illinois Wesleyan 10.056 13-5
Hardin-Simmons 10.050 18-2
Calvin 10.000 11-1
Maryville (Mo.) 10.000 11-0
Medaille 9.947 18-1
Lawrence 9.941 15-2
Mississippi College 9.900 17-3
Maine-Farmington 9.900 17-3
UW-Stevens Point 9.895 13-6
51-60
Norwich 9.889 15-3
Mount Holyoke 9.889 14-4
Gustavus Adolphus 9.857 16-5
UW-Oshkosh 9.842 13-6
Otterbein 9.800 15-5
Franklin 9.789 16-3
UW-La Crosse 9.778 12-6
Emmanuel 9.778 14-4
McDaniel 9.762 16-5
Concordia-Moorhead 9.750 15-5
61-70
Endicott 9.737 12-7
Maine Maritime 9.737 16-3
Howard Payne 9.737 16-3
St. Lawrence 9.667 15-3
Chapman 9.615 10-3
Bridgewater State 9.611 15-3
Baruch 9.579 15-4
St. Norbert 9.579 13-6
Dickinson 9.571 16-5
Greensboro 9.571 11-3
71-80
Union 9.550 13-7
Chicago 9.529 12-5
Denison 9.529 14-3
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.500 14-4
Oswego State 9.500 14-4
Catholic 9.500 13-7
Lakeland 9.500 13-5
New Jersey 9.474 13-6
Wilmington 9.455 15-7
Ripon 9.421 12-7
81-90
UW-Stout 9.412 12-5
Montclair State 9.400 14-6
Western New England 9.368 14-5
DeSales 9.333 13-8
Keene State 9.316 13-6
Carleton 9.316 13-6
Oneonta State 9.316 14-5
Middlebury 9.300 13-7
Virginia Wesleyan 9.235 12-5
Trinity (Texas) 9.231 10-3
91-100
Cal Lutheran 9.214 11-3
Texas-Tyler 9.158 14-5
Nichols 9.150 15-5
Luther 9.133 12-3
RPI 9.125 10-6
Wesley 9.105 14-5
William Paterson 9.100 11-9
Marymount 9.059 11-6
UW-Whitewater 9.059 9-8
UW-Eau Claire 9.053 10-9
Regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=128
Pat, how can ROCHESTER with a regional record of 16-5 be ranked ahead of teams like Medaille, Cortland STATE or Fisher?? I'd put them ahead of NYU b/c they beat them twice. Is it basically based on head to head record as the first criteria??
Quote from: fisheralum03 on February 15, 2006, 05:47:14 PM
Pat, how can ROCHESTER with a regional record of 16-5 be ranked ahead of teams like Medaille, Cortland STATE or Fisher?? I'd put them ahead of NYU b/c they beat them twice. Is it basically based on head to head record as the first criteria??
Without looking at anything, I have a strong hunch. Who have Medaille, Cortland State, Fisher played/beaten? My guess is absolutely no one with any regional ranking/standing.
Jags,
Medaille has beaten St. John Fisher.
Quote from: fisheralum03 on February 15, 2006, 05:47:14 PM
Pat, how can ROCHESTER with a regional record of 16-5 be ranked ahead of teams like Medaille, Cortland STATE or Fisher?? I'd put them ahead of NYU b/c they beat them twice. Is it basically based on head to head record as the first criteria??
Why not? If you've looked at the criteria you know that Rochester has the edge on Fisher in QOWI
and head-to-head.
Apparently...my guess was wrong! Apologies.
Updated Quality of Wins Index through games of Feb. 16:
1-10
DePauw 12.471 17-0
Bowdoin 12.150 18-2
Southern Maine 11.818 21-1
Scranton 11.667 18-0
Baldwin-Wallace 11.450 20-0
Mary Washington 11.450 20-0
Messiah 11.368 18-1
Hope 11.350 19-1
Williams 11.286 17-4
Randolph-Macon 11.263 18-1
11-20
Pacific Lutheran 11.250 14-2
Brandeis 11.200 17-3
Rochester 11.190 16-5
St. John Fisher 11.143 19-2
Bates 11.095 16-5
Washington U. 11.063 14-2
Puget Sound 10.895 16-3
Carroll 10.789 15-4
Wesleyan 10.762 17-4
Muhlenberg 10.750 22-2
21-30
Richard Stockton 10.682 19-3
New York University 10.636 18-4
William Smith 10.526 16-3
Medaille 10.524 20-1
Colby-Sawyer 10.500 18-4
Cortland State 10.476 19-2
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.417 21-3
Oglethorpe 10.400 17-3
St. Benedict 10.381 18-3
McMurry 10.364 20-2
31-40
Capital 10.350 17-3
Springfield 10.318 17-5
Mount St. Mary 10.318 19-3
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.294 14-3
Salem State 10.286 18-3
Maryville (Mo.) 10.231 13-0
Lawrence 10.222 15-3
Johns Hopkins 10.150 17-3
Howard Payne 10.136 19-3
Moravian 10.130 18-5
41-50
Emmanuel 10.095 17-4
Wittenberg 10.095 15-6
UW-Oshkosh 10.095 15-6
Concordia-Moorhead 10.091 17-5
Norwich 10.056 15-3
Illinois Wesleyan 10.050 14-6
Gustavus Adolphus 9.957 18-5
Maine-Farmington 9.909 18-4
Emory 9.889 10-8
Greensboro 9.875 13-3
51-60
Bridgewater (Va.) 9.875 19-5
Baruch 9.850 16-4
Simpson 9.813 15-1
Franklin 9.810 18-3
Ripon 9.810 14-7
St. Norbert 9.800 14-6
Eastern Connecticut 9.783 17-6
Maine Maritime 9.783 19-4
Mississippi College 9.783 19-4
Mount Holyoke 9.750 16-4
61-70
Virginia Wesleyan 9.737 14-5
Calvin 9.714 12-2
St. Lawrence 9.700 16-4
Cal Lutheran 9.688 13-3
Union 9.682 15-7
Hardin-Simmons 9.636 18-4
Oswego State 9.619 17-4
Chapman 9.615 10-3
UW-La Crosse 9.579 13-6
UW-Stevens Point 9.571 14-7
71-80
UW-Stout 9.556 13-5
Wilmington 9.542 17-7
Western New England 9.524 16-5
McDaniel 9.522 17-6
Luther 9.500 15-3
George Fox 9.467 10-5
Trinity (Texas) 9.467 11-4
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.450 16-4
Washington and Jefferson 9.444 15-3
Montclair State 9.409 15-7
81-90
Catholic 9.409 15-7
Dickinson 9.391 17-6
Oneonta State 9.381 15-6
Chicago 9.368 13-6
Otterbein 9.318 15-7
Millikin 9.300 13-7
New Jersey 9.286 14-7
Texas-Tyler 9.286 16-5
Whitman 9.250 10-6
Christopher Newport 9.158 13-6
91-100
Rockford 9.136 17-5
Hood 9.125 10-6
RPI 9.105 12-7
Denison 9.105 15-4
Bridgewater State 9.100 15-5
Wesley 9.100 15-5
Carleton 9.095 14-7
Endicott 9.091 13-9
Nichols 9.091 17-5
DeSales 9.083 15-9
101-110
Salve Regina 9.083 17-7
Elmhurst 9.053 13-6
Clark 9.045 14-8
Kenyon 9.000 14-5
Worcester State 9.000 14-8
Benedictine 9.000 12-9
William Paterson 8.955 13-9
Keene State 8.952 14-7
North Park 8.947 11-8
Middlebury 8.905 12-9
111-120
UW-Eau Claire 8.905 11-10
Marymount 8.895 12-7
Concordia (Wis.) 8.864 16-6
SUNY-Farmingdale 8.850 12-8
Stevens 8.833 17-7
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 8.813 12-4
Lakeland 8.800 14-6
Piedmont 8.800 15-5
University of New England 8.750 15-9
Widener 8.739 14-9
QOWI through games of Sunday, Feb. 19:
1-10
DePauw 12.333 18-0
Bowdoin 12.143 19-2
Scranton 11.895 19-0
Southern Maine 11.739 22-1
Washington U. 11.722 16-2
Mary Washington 11.667 21-0
Hope 11.381 20-1
Messiah 11.350 19-1
Baldwin-Wallace 11.286 20-1
Brandeis 11.273 18-4
11-20
Randolph-Macon 11.238 20-1
Williams 11.136 18-4
St. John Fisher 11.130 21-2
Rochester 11.087 17-6
Bates 11.045 17-5
Pacific Lutheran 11.000 16-2
Wesleyan 10.727 18-4
Muhlenberg 10.720 23-2
Carroll 10.700 16-4
Richard Stockton 10.696 20-3
21-30
Oglethorpe 10.636 18-4
Medaille 10.636 21-1
Capital 10.571 18-3
Cortland State 10.478 20-3
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.444 15-3
Puget Sound 10.429 18-3
New York University 10.417 18-6
St. Benedict 10.409 19-3
William Smith 10.381 17-4
Mount St. Mary 10.348 20-3
31-40
Greensboro 10.333 15-3
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.333 21-3
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.240 20-5
McMurry 10.217 21-2
Illinois Wesleyan 10.190 15-6
Colby-Sawyer 10.130 19-4
Emmanuel 10.095 17-4
Springfield 10.087 17-6
St. Norbert 10.048 15-6
Maryville (Mo.) 10.000 14-0
41-50
Concordia-Moorhead 10.000 18-5
Salem State 10.000 18-4
Wittenberg 10.000 16-6
Lawrence 10.000 15-4
Moravian 9.958 19-5
Norwich 9.947 16-3
Maine-Farmington 9.917 20-4
UW-Oshkosh 9.909 16-6
St. Lawrence 9.909 18-4
Simpson 9.882 16-1
51-60
Howard Payne 9.870 20-3
Franklin 9.864 19-3
Ripon 9.810 14-7
Baruch 9.810 17-4
Union 9.792 17-7
Johns Hopkins 9.762 17-4
Calvin 9.733 13-2
Chicago 9.714 14-7
Chapman 9.714 11-3
Maine Maritime 9.708 20-4
61-70
Emory 9.700 11-9
Cal Lutheran 9.647 14-3
Trinity (Texas) 9.647 13-4
UW-Stout 9.632 14-5
Gustavus Adolphus 9.625 18-6
Western New England 9.591 17-5
Eastern Connecticut 9.583 18-6
Virginia Wesleyan 9.571 15-6
Montclair State 9.565 16-7
Dickinson 9.542 18-6
71-80
Luther 9.526 16-3
Mount Holyoke 9.524 16-5
Hardin-Simmons 9.522 19-4
Catholic 9.522 16-7
Oswego State 9.500 17-5
Wilmington 9.480 18-7
McDaniel 9.458 18-6
Otterbein 9.435 16-7
Christopher Newport 9.429 14-7
Mississippi College 9.417 19-5
81-90
New Jersey 9.409 15-7
UW-La Crosse 9.400 13-7
Wesley 9.333 16-5
UW-Stevens Point 9.318 15-7
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.318 18-4
Washington and Jefferson 9.300 16-4
Pitt-Greensburg 9.273 17-5
Oneonta State 9.261 17-6
Worcester State 9.261 15-8
Clark 9.261 15-8
91-100
DeSales 9.160 15-10
Rhodes 9.150 14-6
Piedmont 9.143 16-5
Marymount 9.100 13-7
Carleton 9.091 15-7
Millikin 9.048 13-8
William Paterson 9.043 14-9
Fredonia State 9.000 15-8
George Fox 9.000 11-6
Kenyon 9.000 15-5
101-110
Salve Regina 9.000 18-7
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.000 13-4
Elmhurst 9.000 13-7
SUNY-Farmingdale 8.952 13-8
Nichols 8.913 18-5
RPI 8.905 13-8
Bridgewater State 8.905 15-6
Thomas More 8.900 15-5
Elmira 8.889 12-6
Concordia (Wis.) 8.875 18-6
111-120
Endicott 8.870 14-9
Keene State 8.864 14-8
Hood 8.824 11-6
Worcester Polytech 8.818 14-8
Lakeland 8.818 16-6
Middlebury 8.810 12-9
Denison 8.800 15-5
Stevens 8.800 18-7
North Park 8.800 11-9
UW-Eau Claire 8.773 12-10
Dear Pat,
Do you possibly know the link for the webcast of the NCAA selection show which I believe is on February 27 at 8am?
There is no broadcast this year, is what we've seen.
These are the Top 24 25 Pool C candidates from the Regional Rankings. The NCAA will award 21 Pool C bids.
Women
Atlantic
1 Mary Washington 21-0 25-0 CAC
2 Richard Stockton 20-3 21-4 NJAC
3 Mount St. Mary 20-3 22-3 Skyline
4 Baruch 17-4 19-6 CUNYAC
5 Stevens 18-7 18-7 Skyline
6 Catholic 16-7 18-7 CAC
Central
1 Washington U. 16-2 22-2 UAA
2 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-3 20-4 CCIW
3 Maryville (Mo.) 14-0 20-4 SLIAC
4 Carroll 16-4 19-4 MWC
5 Illinois Wesleyan 15-5 18-7 CCIW
6 Lawrence 15-4 19-4 MWC
East
1 Medaille 21-1 23-1 AMCC
2 Rochester 17-6 17-7 UAA
3 St. John Fisher 21-2 22-2 E8
4 Cortland State 20-3 21-3 SUNYAC
5 New York University 18-6 18-6 UAA
6 William Smith 17-4 19-5 LL
Great Lakes
1 DePauw 18-0 24-1 SCAC
2 Hope 20-1 24-1 MIAA
3 Baldwin-Wallace 20-1 22-3 OAC
4 Capital 18-3 22-3 OAC
5 Calvin 13-2 21-3 MIAA
6 Franklin 17-3 22-3 HCAC
Mid-Atlantic
1 Scranton 18-0 24-1 MACF
2 Messiah 20-1 23-2 MACC
3 Muhlenberg 23-2 23-2 CC
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 21-3 22-3 PnAC
5 Moravian 19-5 20-5 MACC
6 Johns Hopkins 16-4 19-6 CC
Northeast
1 Southern Maine 23-1 24-1 LEC
2 Bowdoin 19-2 22-2 NESCAC
3 Brandeis 18-4 18-4 UAA
4 Williams 17-4 20-4 NESCAC
5 Bates 17-5 18-7 NESCAC
6 Wesleyan 17-4 18-6 NESCAC
7 Salem State 18-4 21-4 MASCAC
8 Maine Maritime 20-4 21-4 NAC
South
1 Randolph-Macon 20-1 22-2 ODAC
2 McMurry 21-2 23-2 ASC-W
3 Howard Payne 20-3 22-3 ASC-W
4 Hardin-Simmons 19-5 20-5 ASC-W Loss to ETBU in QtrF
5 Oglethorpe 18-4 20-5 SCAC
6 Bridgewater (Va.) 20-5 20-5 ODAC
West
1 Pacific Lutheran 16-2 21-3 NWC
2 Puget Sound 18-3 21-4 NWC
3 St. Benedict 19-3 21-4 MIAC Upset by Carleton in MIAC Tourney
4 Simpson 16-1 21-4 IIAC
5 Concordia-Moorhead 18-5 19-6 MIAC
6 Chapman 11-3 17-7 Pool B #1
Here are the Top 24 Pool C bids by QOWI:
QOWI through games of Sunday, Feb. 19:
1-10
DePauw 12.333 18-0 SCAC
Bowdoin 12.143 19-2 NESCAC
Scranton 11.895 19-0 MACF
Southern Maine 11.739 22-1 LEC
Washington U. 11.722 16-2 UAA
Mary Washington 11.667 21-0 CAC
Hope 11.381 20-1 MIAA
Messiah 11.350 19-1 MACC
Baldwin-Wallace 11.286 20-1 OAC
Brandeis 11.273 18-4 UAA
11-20
Randolph-Macon 11.238 20-1 ODAC
Williams 11.136 18-4 NESCAC
St. John Fisher 11.130 21-2 E8
Rochester 11.087 17-6 UAA
Bates 11.045 17-5 NESCAC
Pacific Lutheran 11.000 16-2 NWC
Wesleyan 10.727 18-4 NESCAC
Muhlenberg 10.720 23-2 CC
Carroll 10.700 16-4 MWC
Richard Stockton 10.696 20-3 NJAC
21-30
Oglethorpe 10.636 18-4 SCAC
Medaille 10.636 21-1 AMCC
Capital 10.571 18-3 OAC
Cortland State 10.478 20-3 SUNYAC
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.444 15-3 CCIW
Puget Sound 10.429 18-3 NWC
New York University 10.417 18-6 UAA
St. Benedict 10.409 19-3 MIAC
William Smith 10.381 17-4 LL
Mount St. Mary 10.348 20-3 Sky
31-40
Greensboro 10.333 15-3 USAC
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.333 21-3 PnAC
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.240 20-5 ODAC
McMurry 10.217 21-2 ASC-West
Illinois Wesleyan 10.190 15-6 CCIW
Colby-Sawyer 10.130 19-4 CCC
Emmanuel 10.095 17-4 GNAC
Springfield 10.087 17-6 NEWMAC
St. Norbert 10.048 15-6 MWC
Maryville (Mo.) 10.000 14-0 SLIAC
41-50
Concordia-Moorhead 10.000 18-5 MIAC
Salem State 10.000 18-4 MASCAC
Wittenberg 10.000 16-6 NCAC
Lawrence 10.000 15-4 MWC
Moravian 9.958 19-5 MACC
Norwich 9.947 16-3 GNAC
Maine-Farmington 9.917 20-4 NAC-E
UW-Oshkosh 9.909 16-6 WIAC
St. Lawrence 9.909 18-4 LL
Simpson 9.882 16-1 IIAC
51-60
Howard Payne 9.870 20-3 ASC-W
Franklin 9.864 19-3 HCAC
Ripon 9.810 14-7 MWC
Baruch 9.810 17-4 CUNYAC
Union 9.792 17-7 LL
Johns Hopkins 9.762 17-4 CC
Calvin 9.733 13-2 MIAA
Chicago 9.714 14-7 UAA
Chapman 9.714 11-3 Pool B bid #1
Maine Maritime 9.708 20-4 NAC-E
Corrections appreciated.
Pat,
What are the criteria the women's selection committee uses for at-large bids? Quality of wins? Region record? Is it like the BCS formula for football???
Ralph,
I was wondering - why are some team crossed out on your lists. Sorry - I'm new to this section of the boad.
Thanks!
Those teams were leading the conference as of Sunday.
Criteria are posted in the link on the front page, marked NCAA Tournament basics.
Hello, blazerball, sorry that I did not explain "striking" some of the teams.
On those lists, I have assumed for the sake of finding "Pool C candidates" that the team with the highest regional ranking or the highest QOWI was the team that got the Pool A bid from winning the tourney or clinching the regular season. (If your team still has not clinched, I figure most of our readers are sufficiently schizophrenic to realize that they may be a Pool A or may have to worry about Pool C. :))
In some additional analysis of these tables that Knightstalker did on the men's side, it looks like it is more valuable to be listed on the Regional Ranking board,if you are listed on both.
Also, once a Pool B team is identified, I have stricken it, assuming that they will earn one come Sunday night. There are no other Pool B candidates on these lists.
To Ralph Turner,
Baruch is definitely a conference winner (3 game lead)--strike from the C list.
Quote from: yellstoomuch on February 23, 2006, 10:56:26 PM
To Ralph Turner,
Baruch is definitely a conference winner (3 game lead)--strike from the C list.
Yells, the CUNYAC has a conference tourney to award the Pool A bid.
Baruch plays Staten Island on the 24th! :)
QOWI through games of Thursday, Feb. 24. I believe these to be complete although there is a chance we are missing some conference tournament games. Please let me know if you have noticed such:
1-10
DePauw 12.444 18-0
Bowdoin 12.143 19-2
Scranton 11.900 20-0
Southern Maine 11.750 23-1
Washington U. 11.722 16-2
Mary Washington 11.435 23-0
Messiah 11.381 20-1
Brandeis 11.273 18-4
Baldwin-Wallace 11.261 22-1
Randolph-Macon 11.143 20-1
11-20
Williams 11.136 18-4
Hope 11.087 22-1
Rochester 11.087 17-6
St. John Fisher 11.043 21-2
Pacific Lutheran 11.000 16-2
Bates 10.955 17-5
Richard Stockton 10.833 21-3
Oglethorpe 10.727 18-4
Muhlenberg 10.720 23-2
Carroll 10.700 16-4
21-30
Capital 10.696 20-3
Medaille 10.636 21-1
Wesleyan 10.565 18-5
Cortland State 10.542 21-3
Puget Sound 10.500 19-3
New York University 10.417 18-6
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.400 22-3
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.368 16-3
Mount St. Mary 10.320 22-3
Colby-Sawyer 10.308 22-4
31-40
William Smith 10.286 17-4
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.269 21-5
McMurry 10.217 21-2
Springfield 10.167 18-6
Salem State 10.091 18-4
Maine-Farmington 10.080 21-4
St. Norbert 10.048 15-6
St. Benedict 10.043 19-4
Lawrence 10.000 15-4
Concordia-Moorhead 10.000 19-5
41-50
Greensboro 10.000 16-3
Emmanuel 10.000 18-4
Illinois Wesleyan 10.000 15-6
Maine Maritime 9.960 21-4
Moravian 9.958 19-5
Maryville (Mo.) 9.933 15-0
Wittenberg 9.913 17-6
St. Lawrence 9.909 18-4
Howard Payne 9.870 20-3
Baruch 9.864 18-4
51-60
Norwich 9.857 18-3
Johns Hopkins 9.857 17-4
Ripon 9.810 14-7
Emory 9.800 11-9
Union 9.792 17-7
Franklin 9.783 20-3
UW-Stout 9.762 16-5
New Jersey 9.750 17-7
UW-Oshkosh 9.750 17-7
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.739 19-4
61-70
Mount Holyoke 9.727 17-5
Chicago 9.714 14-7
Chapman 9.714 11-3
Western New England 9.696 18-5
Eastern Connecticut 9.680 19-6
UW-Stevens Point 9.667 17-7
Simpson 9.667 17-1
Trinity (Texas) 9.647 13-4
Calvin 9.647 15-2
Cal Lutheran 9.632 15-4
71-80
Oswego State 9.609 18-5
McDaniel 9.560 19-6
Luther 9.550 17-3
Dickinson 9.542 18-6
Hardin-Simmons 9.522 19-4
Wilmington 9.481 19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.474 15-4
Otterbein 9.440 17-8
Mississippi College 9.417 19-5
Montclair State 9.417 16-8
81-90
Gustavus Adolphus 9.385 19-7
Catholic 9.320 17-8
Piedmont 9.318 17-5
UW-La Crosse 9.318 14-8
Washington and Jefferson 9.300 16-4
Pitt-Greensburg 9.273 17-5
DeSales 9.269 16-10
Endicott 9.240 16-9
Texas-Tyler 9.227 17-5 INELIGIBLE
Clark 9.208 16-8
91-100
Carleton 9.208 17-7
Oneonta State 9.208 17-7
Virginia Wesleyan 9.182 15-7
Wesley 9.182 17-5
Christopher Newport 9.182 14-8
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.174 15-8
Worcester State 9.174 15-8
Rhodes 9.150 14-6
Marymount 9.136 15-7
Salve Regina 9.111 19-8
QOWI through Friday, Feb. 25:
1-10
DePauw 12.158 19-0
Bowdoin 12.143 19-2
Scranton 11.900 20-0
Southern Maine 11.760 24-1
Washington U. 11.722 16-2
Mary Washington 11.435 23-0
Messiah 11.381 20-1
Brandeis 11.273 18-4
Baldwin-Wallace 11.261 22-1
Williams 11.136 18-4
11-20
Randolph-Macon 11.136 21-1
Hope 11.087 22-1
Pacific Lutheran 11.000 16-2
Rochester 11.000 17-6
Bates 10.955 17-5
St. John Fisher 10.833 22-2
Wesleyan 10.727 18-4
Muhlenberg 10.720 23-2
Capital 10.696 20-3
Richard Stockton 10.640 21-4
21-30
Carroll 10.571 17-4
Puget Sound 10.500 19-3
Cortland State 10.480 22-3
Oglethorpe 10.478 19-4
New York University 10.417 18-6
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.400 22-3
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.370 22-5
William Smith 10.364 18-4
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.350 17-3
Medaille 10.348 22-1
31-40
Mount St. Mary 10.320 22-3
Colby-Sawyer 10.308 22-4
Greensboro 10.250 17-3
McMurry 10.250 22-2
Maine-Farmington 10.192 22-4
Springfield 10.167 18-6
St. Lawrence 10.130 19-4
Norwich 10.091 19-3
St. Norbert 10.091 16-6
Baruch 10.087 19-4
41-50
Salem State 10.087 19-4
Emmanuel 10.087 19-4
Illinois Wesleyan 10.045 16-6
St. Benedict 10.043 19-4
Maine Maritime 10.038 22-4
Concordia-Moorhead 10.000 19-5
New Jersey 9.960 18-7
Moravian 9.958 19-5
Howard Payne 9.833 21-3
Maryville (Mo.) 9.813 16-0
51-60
Eastern Connecticut 9.808 20-6
Nebraska Wesleyan 9.800 3-2
Johns Hopkins 9.762 17-4
UW-Stout 9.762 16-5
Wittenberg 9.750 17-7
Mount Holyoke 9.727 17-5
Chicago 9.714 14-7
Franklin 9.708 21-3
Emory 9.700 11-9
Ripon 9.682 14-8
61-70
Simpson 9.667 17-1
UW-Oshkosh 9.667 17-7
UW-Stevens Point 9.667 17-7
Lawrence 9.650 15-5
Calvin 9.647 15-2
Cal Lutheran 9.632 15-4
Trinity (Texas) 9.611 14-4
Union 9.600 17-8
Western New England 9.583 18-6
Oswego State 9.583 19-5
71-80
McDaniel 9.560 19-6
Luther 9.550 17-3
Dickinson 9.542 18-6
Wilmington 9.481 19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.474 15-4
Otterbein 9.440 17-8
Montclair State 9.417 16-8
Chapman 9.400 11-4
Gustavus Adolphus 9.385 19-7
Catholic 9.320 17-8
81-90
Kenyon 9.318 17-5
UW-La Crosse 9.318 14-8
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.292 20-4
Christopher Newport 9.273 14-8
DeSales 9.269 16-10
Hardin-Simmons 9.250 19-5
Endicott 9.240 16-9
Washington and Jefferson 9.238 17-4
Texas-Tyler 9.227 17-5 INELIGIBLE
Clark 9.208 16-8
91-100
Carleton 9.208 17-7
Wesley 9.182 17-5
Virginia Wesleyan 9.182 15-7
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.174 15-8
Hood 9.158 13-6
Rhodes 9.143 15-6
Marymount 9.136 15-7
Mississippi College 9.120 19-6
Salve Regina 9.111 19-8
Pitt-Greensburg 9.087 18-5
101-110
Worcester State 9.083 15-9
William Paterson 9.080 15-10
Denison 9.045 17-5
Piedmont 9.043 17-6
Millikin 9.000 14-8
Bridgewater State 9.000 16-6
George Fox 9.000 11-6
Oneonta State 8.958 17-7
Nichols 8.875 18-6
Worcester Polytech 8.870 15-8
111-120
Keene State 8.833 15-9
Rockford 8.833 18-6
Lakeland 8.818 16-6
RPI 8.818 13-9
Geneseo State 8.818 14-8
Middlebury 8.818 13-9
Concordia (Wis.) 8.792 18-6
Thomas More 8.773 17-5
Fredonia State 8.720 16-9
Elmira 8.700 13-7
QOWI THROUGH SATURDAY:
1-10
DePauw 12.300 20-0
Bowdoin 12.273 20-2
Scranton 11.905 21-0
Southern Maine 11.846 25-1
Washington U. 11.684 17-2
Messiah 11.500 21-1
Randolph-Macon 11.304 22-1
Brandeis 11.217 19-4
Hope 11.208 23-1
Pacific Lutheran 11.158 17-2
11-20
Mary Washington 11.125 23-1
Bates 11.087 18-5
Baldwin-Wallace 11.042 22-2
Williams 10.957 18-5
St. John Fisher 10.880 23-2
Capital 10.875 21-3
Muhlenberg 10.846 24-2
Rochester 10.750 18-6
Carroll 10.727 18-4
Richard Stockton 10.640 21-4
21-30
Wesleyan 10.565 18-5
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.538 23-3
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.524 18-3
William Smith 10.522 19-4
Medaille 10.500 23-1
Mount St. Mary 10.385 23-3
Maine-Farmington 10.370 23-4
Colby-Sawyer 10.370 23-4
McMurry 10.360 23-2
Puget Sound 10.348 19-4
31-40
Cortland State 10.346 22-4
Norwich 10.304 20-3
Greensboro 10.286 18-3
Oglethorpe 10.250 19-5
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.250 22-6
Salem State 10.167 20-4
Concordia-Moorhead 10.160 20-5
New York University 10.120 18-7
Baruch 10.087 19-4
Springfield 10.080 19-6
41-50
St. Benedict 10.043 19-4
Johns Hopkins 10.000 18-4
St. Lawrence 10.000 19-5
New Jersey 9.960 18-7
UW-Stout 9.955 17-5
Maryville (Mo.) 9.941 17-0
Emmanuel 9.917 19-5
Illinois Wesleyan 9.913 16-7
Trinity (Texas) 9.895 15-4
Simpson 9.895 18-1
51-60
St. Norbert 9.870 16-7
Moravian 9.840 19-6
Maine Maritime 9.815 22-5
Oswego State 9.800 20-5
Wittenberg 9.750 17-7
Mount Holyoke 9.696 18-5
Ripon 9.682 14-8
UW-Oshkosh 9.667 17-7
Lawrence 9.650 15-5
Cal Lutheran 9.632 15-4
61-70
Eastern Connecticut 9.630 20-7
Union 9.600 17-8
Western New England 9.583 18-6
UW-Stevens Point 9.560 17-8
Howard Payne 9.560 21-4
Franklin 9.560 21-4
Chicago 9.545 14-8
Calvin 9.500 15-3
Wilmington 9.481 19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.474 15-4
71-80
McDaniel 9.462 19-7
Washington and Jefferson 9.455 18-4
Dickinson 9.440 18-7
Otterbein 9.440 17-8
Luther 9.429 17-4
Montclair State 9.417 16-8
Chapman 9.400 11-4
Marymount 9.391 16-7
Gustavus Adolphus 9.385 19-7
Catholic 9.320 17-8
81-90
UW-La Crosse 9.318 14-8
Denison 9.304 18-5
Emory 9.286 11-10
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.280 21-4
Hardin-Simmons 9.250 19-5
Texas-Tyler 9.227 17-5
Kenyon 9.217 17-6
DeSales 9.185 16-11
Christopher Newport 9.182 14-8
Virginia Wesleyan 9.182 15-7
91-100
Endicott 9.154 16-10
Clark 9.120 16-9
Mississippi College 9.120 19-6
Carleton 9.120 17-8
Salve Regina 9.111 19-8
Wesley 9.087 17-6
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.083 15-9
Worcester State 9.083 15-9
William Paterson 9.080 15-10
Hood 9.050 14-6
101-110
Lakeland 9.043 17-6
Nebraska Wesleyan 9.000 3-3
Rhodes 9.000 15-7
Pitt-Greensburg 9.000 18-6
Millikin 9.000 14-8
George Fox 9.000 11-6
Oneonta State 8.958 17-7
Bridgewater State 8.913 16-7
Keuka 8.900 13-7
Rockford 8.880 19-6
111-120
Keene State 8.833 15-9
Middlebury 8.818 13-9
Geneseo State 8.818 14-8
RPI 8.818 13-9
Nichols 8.792 18-6
Piedmont 8.783 17-6
Fredonia State 8.720 16-9
Concordia (Wis.) 8.720 18-7
UW-Eau Claire 8.696 12-11
Thomas More 8.696 17-6
And through Sunday. Oh look, there goes a tumbleweed!
DePauw 12.429 21-0
Bowdoin 12.391 21-2
Scranton 11.905 21-0
Southern Maine 11.846 25-1
Washington U. 11.684 17-2
Messiah 11.500 21-1
Randolph-Macon 11.304 22-1
Brandeis 11.217 19-4
Hope 11.208 23-1
Pacific Lutheran 11.158 17-2
11-20
Mary Washington 11.125 23-1
Baldwin-Wallace 11.042 22-2
Muhlenberg 10.963 25-2
Williams 10.957 18-5
St. John Fisher 10.880 23-2
Capital 10.875 21-3
Bates 10.875 18-6
Rochester 10.750 18-6
Carroll 10.727 18-4
Richard Stockton 10.640 21-4
21-30
Wesleyan 10.565 18-5
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.538 23-3
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.524 18-3
William Smith 10.522 19-4
Medaille 10.500 23-1
McMurry 10.385 24-2
Mount St. Mary 10.385 23-3
Maine-Farmington 10.370 23-4
Colby-Sawyer 10.370 23-4
Puget Sound 10.348 19-4
31-40
Cortland State 10.346 22-4
Norwich 10.304 20-3
Greensboro 10.286 18-3
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.250 22-6
Oglethorpe 10.250 19-5
Springfield 10.231 20-6
Salem State 10.167 20-4
Concordia-Moorhead 10.160 20-5
New York University 10.120 18-7
Baruch 10.087 19-4
41-50
St. Benedict 10.043 19-4
St. Lawrence 10.000 19-5
New Jersey 9.960 18-7
UW-Stout 9.955 17-5
Maryville (Mo.) 9.941 17-0
Emmanuel 9.917 19-5
Illinois Wesleyan 9.913 16-7
Simpson 9.895 18-1
St. Norbert 9.870 16-7
Johns Hopkins 9.870 18-5
51-60
Moravian 9.840 19-6
Maine Maritime 9.815 22-5
Oswego State 9.800 20-5
Trinity (Texas) 9.750 15-5
Wittenberg 9.750 17-7
Ripon 9.682 14-8
UW-Oshkosh 9.667 17-7
Lawrence 9.650 15-5
Cal Lutheran 9.632 15-4
Eastern Connecticut 9.630 20-7
61-70
Union 9.600 17-8
Western New England 9.583 18-6
Mount Holyoke 9.583 18-6
UW-Stevens Point 9.560 17-8
Howard Payne 9.560 21-4
Chicago 9.545 14-8
Calvin 9.500 15-3
Wilmington 9.481 19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.474 15-4
McDaniel 9.462 19-7
71-80
Franklin 9.458 21-4
Washington and Jefferson 9.455 18-4
Otterbein 9.440 17-8
Dickinson 9.440 18-7
Luther 9.429 17-4
Montclair State 9.417 16-8
Chapman 9.400 11-4
Marymount 9.391 16-7
Gustavus Adolphus 9.385 19-7
Catholic 9.320 17-8
81-90
UW-La Crosse 9.318 14-8
Denison 9.304 18-5
Emory 9.286 11-10
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.280 21-4
Hardin-Simmons 9.250 19-5
Texas-Tyler 9.227 17-5
Kenyon 9.217 17-6
DeSales 9.185 16-11
Christopher Newport 9.182 14-8
Virginia Wesleyan 9.182 15-7
91-100
Endicott 9.154 16-10
Clark 9.120 16-9
Carleton 9.120 17-8
Mississippi College 9.120 19-6
Salve Regina 9.111 19-8
Wesley 9.087 17-6
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.083 15-9
Worcester State 9.083 15-9
William Paterson 9.080 15-10
Hood 9.050 14-6
From the official release.
Pool B Berths (4):
Chapman
Maryville (Tennessee)
Rockford
Washington and Jefferson
Pool C Berths (21):
Baldwin-Wallace
Bates
Brandeis
Bridgewater (Virginia)
Calvin
Cortland State
Franklin
Hardin-Simmons
Howard Payne
Maine Maritime
Mary Washington
Moravian
New York University
Oglethorpe
Pat,
That is only 15, but I have dread in my heart since they seem to be alphabetical, and youy've already gone past IWU.
How the heck did NYU get in??? Hard to believe there was not at least 1 other team more deserving than this selection that's been spinning out of control for the better part of 3 weeks.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2006, 10:24:40 PM
Pat,
That is only 15, but I have dread in my heart since they seem to be alphabetical, and youy've already gone past IWU.
Here are all 21.
Baldwin-Wallace
Bates
Brandeis
Bridgewater (Virginia)
Calvin
Cortland State
Franklin
Hardin-Simmons
Howard Payne
Maine Maritime
Mary Washington
Moravian
New York University
Oglethorpe
Puget Sound
Richard Stockton
Rochester
St. Benedict
Trinity
Wesleyan (Connecticut)
Williams
Pat, great job on getting everything out so fast. I am thankful for the 21 at large berths this year as I'm sure my St. Benedict Blazers would not have made it without the extra spots.
I noticed that two conferences account for 1/3 of the 21 berths. I'm sure that will get some people talking.
My bad. My math was wrong. I meant to say that two conferences account for 7 teams in the entire tournament (3 from the UAA and 4 from the Bates conference - I forget the name). Still, 5 at large berths between them. That will still have people talking...especially NYU.
Quote from: scorekeeper on February 26, 2006, 11:02:03 PM
My bad. My math was wrong. I meant to say that two conferences account for 7 teams in the entire tournament (3 from the UAA and 4 from the Bates conference - I forget the name). Still, 5 at large berths between them. That will still have people talking...especially NYU.
Try again. The UAA got 4: Wash U, NYU, Rochester, Brandeis
While I may not have necessarily picked them, I feel like someone has to defend NYU for a moment.
1) People are saying the last bid came down to NYU or Illinois Wesleyan. NYU has a higher QoWI and a better regional record.
2) NYU lost 5 of its last 6. Yes, this is true, but unlike Division I, one of the criteria is not performance in last ten games. Thus, this shouldn't hurt NYU any more than if they lost 5 games spread out during the season.
3) NYU is 2-4 v. regionally ranked opponents(I think, but I'm not sure about this). They beat Brandeis and Wash U and lost to each plus 2 losses to Rochester. If Mt. St. Marys is regionally ranked, they are 3-4. Illinois Wesleyan is (again, I think) 1-4.
NYU was held out of last year's tournament because they were ranked 14th out of a Pool C that only took 7, based on QOWI numbers. This year they were 13th out of the 21 Pool C spots. I know everyone is complaining because they had a .720 winning % at 18-7, but that is 1 of the 3 main criteria. The third as we know is record against regionally ranked opponents, which is something that NYU has much experience. They played 7 games against regionally ranked opponents and went 3-4. The second half of Pool C teams had records like 0-3, 1-3, 0-2, except Trinity at 3-4 as well, which is the reason I feel they got in with only 15 Region wins and a QOWI below 9.8. If this was D1 then yes the fact NYU lost 4 in a row would lead someone to think they don't have a chance, but the understading I have is that it is all about the numbers and NYU had them.
Jagluski, thanks for correcting me. So that means 8 teams from two conferences. It's hard to imagine that in D3 there are conferences with 4 teams while many others only got 1. I'm happy my team made it.
Add 3 more teams (2 Pool C's) from the American Southwest Conference.
McMurry and Hardin-Simmons (currently deemed among the best rivalries in women's hoops in D3) are in Abilene. (There were more than 2200 in attendance at the last meeting.) Howard Payne is only 80 miles away. In west Texas, that is next door.
These teams draw from the hotbed of women's basketball that is west Texas.
I have a photograph of my maternal grandmother coaching 3-on-3 high school girls basketball in a cotton field in Mitchell County, Texas in 1922. The players are dressed in lace-up leather shoes and some are wearing hats! :D
Women's basketball is very popular in West Texas. Coach Marsha Sharp gets 12,000 fans to watch the Texas Tech Lady Raiders; Bobby Knight only 6500 for the Tech men.
The UAA and the NESCAC can use academics to pull quality athletes are not chasing the WNBA, but rather graduate school. Their academic aid packages are worth close enough to what many athletic shcloarship package are worth. Signing a quality student athlete to a UAA school is a no-brainer.
Hot beds in Maine, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Texas and the midwest and northwest capture most of the other bids.
Four teams from Texas makes it easier for the committee to do the pairings too. They can do an all Texas regional with Trinity as well.
I know the numbers don't back up Illinois Wesleyan, but I have a hard time seeing 12 teams from the Northeast (5 Pool C's) and no Pool C teams from the Central. 6 of the last 8 champions have come from the Central, but we cannot get teams in even with the expanded tournament? Central Region teams can't seem to rack up the 1 or two loss seasons that Northeast teams can, but we seem to fair a lot better against them head-to-head in the tournament. And this is from a person who grew up in Gorham, Maine, and has friends who went to USM.
Quote from: skafkas on February 27, 2006, 01:13:04 AM
Four teams from Texas makes it easier for the committee to do the pairings too. They can do an all Texas regional with Trinity as well.
I know the numbers don't back up Illinois Wesleyan, but I have a hard time seeing 12 teams from the Northeast (5 Pool C's) and no Pool C teams from the Central. 6 of the last 8 champions have come from the Central, but we cannot get teams in even with the expanded tournament? Central Region teams can't seem to rack up the 1 or two loss seasons that Northeast teams can, but we seem to fair a lot better against them head-to-head in the tournament. And this is from a person who grew up in Gorham, Maine, and has friends who went to USM.
Respectfully, WashStL is located in St Louis but they have a national scope. There are 5 players from IL, but the rest of the roster is comprised of players from 12 other states!
I don't get your point, Ralph. Wheaton has only 3 players from Illinois and 13 from the rest of the country, but that wasn't my point either. My point is that it is ridiculous that the Central Region didn't get a Pool C bid, when six of the last eight and 7 of the last 10 champions have come from the Central Region.
Maybe your point is that Wash U shouldn't be considered a Central Region team, since they recruit "nationally". Notwithstanding the fact that other teams recruit nationally too, I couldn't disagree more. You surely remember back during Wash U's run that the toughest games were always the second or third round games against the WIAC teams. They never got as much press, but they were light years better games than the Final Four games against the teams out East.
Even if you are right, then the Central Region, sans Wash U, still deserves respect, since they have won 3 of the last 6 championships that Wash U didn't win. Certainly other teams rack up impressive records, but where is the evidence that those records mean anything? The Central Region deserves some respect and at least one Pool C team.
Should I be a little worried that...
1) The NCAA's official release/website says Millikin won the title in 2004.
2) Millikin is spelled wrong
Par for the course.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 08:15:12 AM
Par for the course.
That's what I figured, but I had to comment anyway.
Pool C schools are designated by italics in this final QOWI. The Pool B schools are bold and the Pool A schools are stricken.
The highest QOWI not receiving a bid is #42 St Lawrence 19-5 and 10.000. The lowest QOWI receiving a Pool C bid is #85 Hardin-Simmons 19-5 and 9.250.
Here is the alphabetized list of Pool C schools.
Baldwin-Wallace
Bates
Brandeis
Bridgewater (Virginia)
Calvin
Cortland State
Franklin
Hardin-Simmons
Howard Payne
Maine Maritime
Mary Washington
Moravian
New York University
Oglethorpe
Puget Sound
Richard Stockton
Rochester
St. Benedict
Trinity
Wesleyan (Connecticut)
Williams
DePauw 12.429 21-0
Bowdoin 12.391 21-2
Scranton 11.905 21-0
Southern Maine 11.846 25-1
Washington U. 11.684 17-2
Messiah 11.500 21-1
Randolph-Macon 11.304 22-1
Brandeis 11.217 19-4
Hope 11.208 23-1
Pacific Lutheran 11.158 17-2
11-20
Mary Washington 11.125 23-1
Baldwin-Wallace 11.042 22-2
Muhlenberg 10.963 25-2
Williams 10.957 18-5
St. John Fisher 10.880 23-2
Capital 10.875 21-3
Bates 10.875 18-6
Rochester 10.750 18-6
Carroll 10.727 18-4
Richard Stockton 10.640 21-4
21-30
Wesleyan 10.565 18-5
Gwynedd-Mercy 10.538 23-3
Wheaton (Ill.) 10.524 18-3
William Smith 10.522 19-4
Medaille 10.500 23-1
McMurry 10.385 24-2
Mount St. Mary 10.385 23-3
Maine-Farmington 10.370 23-4
Colby-Sawyer 10.370 23-4
Puget Sound 10.348 19-4
31-40
Cortland State 10.346 22-4
Norwich 10.304 20-3
Greensboro 10.286 18-3
Bridgewater (Va.) 10.250 22-6
Oglethorpe 10.250 19-5
Springfield 10.231 20-6
Salem State 10.167 20-4
Concordia-Moorhead 10.160 20-5
New York University 10.120 18-7
Baruch 10.087 19-4
41-50
St. Benedict 10.043 19-4
St. Lawrence 10.000 19-5
New Jersey 9.960 18-7
UW-Stout 9.955 17-5
Maryville (Mo.) 9.941 17-0
Emmanuel 9.917 19-5
Illinois Wesleyan 9.913 16-7
Simpson 9.895 18-1
St. Norbert 9.870 16-7
Johns Hopkins 9.870 18-5
51-60
Moravian 9.840 19-6
Maine Maritime 9.815 22-5
Oswego State 9.800 20-5
Trinity (Texas) 9.750 15-5
Wittenberg 9.750 17-7
Ripon 9.682 14-8
UW-Oshkosh 9.667 17-7
Lawrence 9.650 15-5
Cal Lutheran 9.632 15-4
Eastern Connecticut 9.630 20-7
61-70
Union 9.600 17-8
Western New England 9.583 18-6
Mount Holyoke 9.583 18-6
UW-Stevens Point 9.560 17-8
Howard Payne 9.560 21-4
Chicago 9.545 14-8
Calvin 9.500 15-3
Wilmington 9.481 19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9.474 15-4
McDaniel 9.462 19-7
71-80
Franklin 9.458 21-4
Washington and Jefferson 9.455 18-4
Otterbein 9.440 17-8
Dickinson 9.440 18-7
Luther 9.429 17-4
Montclair State 9.417 16-8
Chapman 9.400 11-4
Marymount 9.391 16-7
Gustavus Adolphus 9.385 19-7
Catholic 9.320 17-8
81-90
UW-La Crosse 9.318 14-8
Denison 9.304 18-5
Emory 9.286 11-10
Maryville (Tenn.) 9.280 21-4
Hardin-Simmons 9.250 19-5
Texas-Tyler 9.227 17-5 (Ineligible as a 3rd year provisional school)
Kenyon 9.217 17-6
DeSales 9.185 16-11
Christopher Newport 9.182 14-8
Virginia Wesleyan 9.182 15-7
91-100
Endicott 9.154 16-10
Clark 9.120 16-9
Carleton 9.120 17-8
Mississippi College 9.120 19-6
Salve Regina 9.111 19-8
Wesley 9.087 17-6
SUNY-Farmingdale 9.083 15-9
Worcester State 9.083 15-9
William Paterson 9.080 15-10
Hood 9.050 14-6
Rockford
Manchester
Here is the 3rd and last published regional ranking. The final regional ranking is not published. Pool A schools are stricken, Pool B schools are bold, and Pool C schools are in italics.
Women
Atlantic
1 Mary Washington 21-0 25-0
2 Richard Stockton 20-3 21-4
3 Mount St. Mary 20-3 22-3
4 Baruch 17-4 19-6
5 Stevens 18-7 18-7
6 Catholic 16-7 18-7
Central
1 Washington U. 16-2 22-2
2 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-3 20-4
3 Maryville (Mo.) 14-0 20-4
4 Carroll 16-4 19-4
5 Illinois Wesleyan 15-5 18-7
6 Lawrence 15-4 19-4
East
1 Medaille 21-1 23-1
2 Rochester 17-6 17-7
3 St. John Fisher 21-2 22-2
4 Cortland State 20-3 21-3
5 New York University 18-6 18-6
6 William Smith 17-4 19-5
Great Lakes
1 DePauw 18-0 24-1
2 Hope 20-1 24-1
3 Baldwin-Wallace 20-1 22-3
4 Capital 18-3 22-3
5 Calvin 13-2 21-3
6 Franklin 17-3 22-3
Mid-Atlantic
1 Scranton 18-0 24-1
2 Messiah 20-1 23-2
3 Muhlenberg 23-2 23-2
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 21-3 22-3
5 Moravian 19-5 20-5
6 Johns Hopkins 16-4 19-6
Northeast
1 Southern Maine 23-1 24-1
2 Bowdoin 19-2 22-2
3 Brandeis 18-4 18-4
4 Williams 17-4 20-4
5 Bates 17-5 18-7
6 Wesleyan 17-4 18-6
7 Salem State 18-4 21-4
8 Maine Maritime 20-4 21-4
South
1 Randolph-Macon 20-1 22-2
2 McMurry 21-2 23-2
3 Howard Payne 20-3 22-3
4 Hardin-Simmons 19-4 20-4
5 Oglethorpe 18-4 20-5
6 Bridgewater (Va.) 20-5 20-5
UR Trinity TX 13-4 18-6
West
1 Pacific Lutheran 16-2 21-3
2 Puget Sound 18-3 21-4
3 St. Benedict 19-3 21-4
4 Simpson 16-1 21-4
5 Concordia-Moorhead 18-5 19-6
6 Chapman 11-3 17-7
First published run of Quality of Wins Index for women this season, through Saturday's games.
Categories are: Overall rank in Division III in QOWI, QOWI, Rank within region, team name, regional win pct. (record), overall record.
Overall Points In-Region Team Region Win% Overall
1 12.273 1 Bowdoin 0.955 (21-1) 23-1
2 12.045 1 Messiah 0.955 (21-1) 21-2
3 11.818 2 Fitchburg State 0.955 (21-1) 21-1
4 11.714 1 UW-Stout 0.857 (18-3) 19-5
5 11.684 3 Emmanuel 0.947 (18-1) 20-1
6 11.455 4 Southern Maine 0.955 (21-1) 21-1
7 11.286 1 New York University 0.905 (19-2) 19-2
8 11.286 2 Rochester 0.857 (18-3) 18-3
9 11.267 1 DePauw 0.867 (13-2) 20-2
10 11.250 3 Cortland State 0.950 (19-1) 20-1
11 11.182 1 Mary Washington 0.909 (20-2) 21-2
12 11.150 5 Williams 0.800 (16-4) 19-5
13 11.143 2 Scranton 0.905 (19-2) 21-2
14 11.000 1 Howard Payne 0.955 (21-1) 22-1
15 11.000 1 Luther 0.875 (14-2) 18-4
16 10.955 3 McDaniel 0.909 (20-2) 20-2
17 10.870 4 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.913 (21-2) 21-2
18 10.850 6 Maine Maritime 0.900 (18-2) 20-2
19 10.850 4 St. Lawrence 0.950 (19-1) 21-2
20 10.800 2 UW-Whitewater 0.750 (15-5) 17-6
21 10.800 2 Calvin 1.000 (15-0) 21-1
22 10.789 3 Chicago 0.789 (15-4) 17-4
23 10.778 4 Lake Forest 0.944 (17-1) 19-2
24 10.722 2 Simpson 0.778 (14-4) 18-5
25 10.650 5 Carroll 0.850 (17-3) 18-3
26 10.636 2 Kean 0.864 (19-3) 20-3
27 10.632 7 Brandeis 0.789 (15-4) 16-4
28 10.632 6 Illinois Wesleyan 0.895 (17-2) 19-3
29 10.619 3 Mount St. Mary 0.905 (19-2) 20-3
30 10.588 3 Puget Sound 0.882 (15-2) 19-4
31 10.500 3 Wilmington 0.800 (16-4) 19-4
32 10.450 4 Denison 0.850 (17-3) 19-4
33 10.389 7 Concordia (Wis.) 0.889 (16-2) 19-3
34 10.389 8 UW-Eau Claire 0.722 (13-5) 16-7
35 10.368 2 Oglethorpe 0.842 (16-3) 17-5
36 10.286 8 Norwich 0.905 (19-2) 20-2
37 10.273 9 Maine-Farmington 0.864 (19-3) 19-3
38 10.261 4 Gustavus Adolphus 0.870 (20-3) 20-3
39 10.227 10 Keene State 0.773 (17-5) 17-5
40 10.227 5 Capital 0.773 (17-5) 17-5
41 10.190 5 Oswego State 0.714 (15-6) 15-7
42 10.190 5 St. Benedict 0.905 (19-2) 19-4
43 10.182 3 McMurry 0.864 (19-3) 20-3
44 10.167 6 Chapman 0.722 (13-5) 18-5
45 10.150 4 Randolph-Macon 0.850 (17-3) 18-4
46 10.136 11 Tufts 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
47 10.091 4 William Paterson 0.864 (19-3) 20-4
48 10.091 6 Baldwin-Wallace 0.773 (17-5) 18-5
49 10.087 5 Albright 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
50 10.056 9 Millikin 0.833 (15-3) 18-4
51 10.056 10 Washington U. 0.778 (14-4) 16-5
52 10.053 6 Medaille 0.895 (17-2) 19-4
53 10.053 5 East Texas Baptist 0.842 (16-3) 20-4
54 10.000 7 Brockport State 0.750 (15-5) 17-5
55 10.000 6 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.867 (13-2) 18-3
56 9.955 12 Colby-Sawyer 0.818 (18-4) 18-4
57 9.955 6 Muhlenberg 0.818 (18-4) 19-4
58 9.950 11 UW-Stevens Point 0.700 (14-6) 16-6
59 9.905 7 Virginia Wesleyan 0.810 (17-4) 19-5
60 9.900 7 Manchester 0.800 (16-4) 16-6
61 9.895 8 Transylvania 0.737 (14-5) 16-7
62 9.875 12 Maryville (Mo.) 0.813 (13-3) 17-5
63 9.857 8 Hardin-Simmons 0.810 (17-4) 18-4
64 9.824 9 Hope 0.824 (14-3) 19-3
65 9.800 7 George Fox 0.719 (11-4) 15-6
66 9.789 13 Salve Regina 0.789 (15-4) 16-6
67 9.737 14 Mount Holyoke 0.684 (13-6) 16-7
68 9.737 8 RPI 0.684 (13-6) 14-8
69 9.700 10 Rose-Hulman 0.850 (17-3) 21-3
70 9.684 11 Thomas More 0.778 (14-4) 18-4
71 9.682 15 Worcester Polytech 0.727 (16-6) 16-6
72 9.667 9 Elmira 0.786 (11-3) 18-4
73 9.667 7 Dickinson 0.810 (17-4) 19-4
74 9.667 12 Ohio Northern 0.714 (15-6) 16-7
75 9.652 16 Bates 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
76 9.600 9 Ferrum 0.750 (15-5) 16-6
77 9.571 5 Stevens 0.857 (18-3) 19-4
78 9.556 10 Hendrix 0.833 (15-3) 18-4
79 9.556 13 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.722 (13-5) 15-6
80 9.526 13 Westminster (Pa.) 0.737 (14-5) 18-5
81 9.500 10 Hamilton 0.667 (12-6) 15-6
82 9.500 6 York (Pa.) 0.667 (16-8) 16-8
83 9.476 17 Suffolk 0.762 (16-5) 16-7
84 9.455 7 Baruch 0.727 (16-6) 18-7
85 9.450 18 Eastern Connecticut 0.600 (12-8) 13-10
86 9.412 14 Carthage 0.706 (12-5) 14-8
87 9.409 14 Penn State-Behrend 0.864 (19-3) 19-3
88 9.381 8 Marymount 0.750 (15-5) 15-8
89 9.375 8 La Verne 0.750 (12-4) 16-5
90 9.300 11 Trinity (Texas) 0.650 (13-7) 15-7
91 9.263 19 Mass-Boston 0.684 (13-6) 15-8
92 9.263 12 Eastern Mennonite 0.789 (15-4) 16-5
93 9.238 13 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.714 (15-6) 16-7
94 9.182 20 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
95 9.182 21 Endicott 0.682 (15-7) 15-7
96 9.167 14 Greensboro 0.778 (14-4) 16-6
97 9.158 15 Piedmont 0.737 (14-5) 15-6
98 9.095 8 King's 0.667 (14-7) 16-7
99 9.053 15 Lawrence 0.632 (12-7) 13-8
100 9.050 15 Wittenberg 0.600 (12-8) 13-9
101 9.045 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.727 (16-6) 16-7
102 9.045 16 Allegheny 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
103 8.957 9 Carleton 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
104 8.952 11 Ithaca 0.619 (13-8) 13-9
105 8.952 9 Moravian 0.571 (12-9) 13-10
106 8.952 16 St. Norbert 0.667 (14-7) 14-7
107 8.947 22 Wesleyan 0.579 (11-8) 14-8
108 8.947 17 Washington and Jefferson 0.632 (12-7) 15-7
109 8.905 12 Union 0.571 (12-9) 12-10
110 8.905 10 Juniata 0.619 (13-8) 14-9
111 8.900 10 Concordia-Moorhead 0.650 (13-7) 15-8
112 8.875 11 Minnesota-Morris 0.875 (7-1) 12-10
113 8.867 12 Redlands 0.667 (10-5) 13-7
114 8.850 17 Shenandoah 0.600 (12-8) 13-8
115 8.842 9 Rutgers-Newark 0.737 (14-5) 15-7
116 8.826 11 Cabrini 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
117 8.810 17 Aurora 0.667 (14-7) 14-8
118 8.800 13 William Smith 0.550 (11-9) 11-10
119 8.778 10 Villa Julie 0.706 (12-5) 13-7
120 8.762 12 DeSales 0.667 (14-7) 16-7
121 8.750 13 Loras 0.650 (13-7) 14-9
122 8.737 18 Christopher Newport 0.684 (13-6) 15-7
123 8.727 23 Rhode Island College 0.636 (14-8) 14-9
124 8.727 11 Lehman 0.636 (14-8) 16-9
125 8.727 18 Benedictine 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
126 8.722 14 Keuka 0.667 (12-6) 13-7
127 8.706 13 Johns Hopkins 0.706 (12-5) 13-8
128 8.706 14 Linfield 0.588 (10-7) 13-9
129 8.700 19 UW-River Falls 0.550 (11-9) 14-10
130 8.684 12 Catholic 0.579 (11-8) 14-9
131 8.652 13 Richard Stockton 0.522 (12-11) 12-11
132 8.650 15 New Paltz State 0.700 (14-6) 14-8
133 8.619 24 Emerson 0.619 (13-8) 13-9
134 8.619 14 Montclair State 0.571 (12-9) 13-9
135 8.611 19 Texas-Tyler 0.667 (12-6) 15-8
136 8.611 15 Buena Vista 0.667 (12-6) 15-8
137 8.591 20 Edgewood 0.591 (13-9) 13-10
138 8.588 16 Whitman 0.529 (9-8) 11-12
139 8.565 14 Ursinus 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
140 8.556 17 Whitworth 0.556 (10-8) 13-10
141 8.550 15 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.700 (14-6) 15-6
142 8.545 21 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.545 (12-10) 13-10
143 8.533 18 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.533 (8-7) 12-9
144 8.529 19 Lewis and Clark 0.647 (11-6) 15-8
145 8.500 16 Utica 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
146 8.500 15 Susquehanna 0.500 (10-10) 13-10
147 8.478 16 John Jay 0.652 (15-8) 17-8
148 8.476 25 Castleton State 0.667 (14-7) 15-7
149 8.455 26 Amherst 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
150 8.444 18 Anderson 0.611 (11-7) 15-8
151 8.409 27 Western Connecticut 0.545 (12-10) 13-10
152 8.409 17 Geneseo State 0.545 (12-10) 13-10
153 8.400 19 Otterbein 0.600 (12-8) 14-9
154 8.375 17 New Jersey 0.458 (11-13) 11-13
155 8.368 16 Elizabethtown 0.579 (11-8) 13-9
156 8.364 28 Salem State 0.545 (12-10) 12-10
157 8.357 22 Principia 0.714 (10-4) 16-5
158 8.350 18 Oneonta State 0.550 (11-9) 13-10
159 8.318 29 Western New England 0.545 (12-10) 12-10
160 8.316 20 Rhodes 0.632 (12-7) 14-8
161 8.304 30 Springfield 0.522 (12-11) 12-11
162 8.300 21 Austin 0.600 (12-8) 12-8
163 8.286 18 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.476 (10-11) 10-11
164 8.278 20 Olivet 0.611 (11-7) 11-10
165 8.261 17 Alvernia 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
166 8.227 23 Lakeland 0.591 (13-9) 13-9
167 8.222 24 UW-La Crosse 0.500 (9-9) 13-10
168 8.211 21 Albion 0.579 (11-8) 13-9
169 8.200 22 Kenyon 0.550 (11-9) 12-11
170 8.200 20 Pacific Lutheran 0.533 (8-7) 12-10
171 8.190 31 Worcester State 0.524 (11-10) 13-10
172 8.150 32 Bridgewater State 0.550 (11-9) 12-9
173 8.136 33 Clark 0.545 (12-10) 12-10
174 8.136 34 Husson 0.500 (11-11) 11-11
175 8.130 18 Neumann 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
176 8.111 25 Fontbonne 0.611 (11-7) 12-10
177 8.100 35 Trinity (Conn.) 0.550 (11-9) 12-11
178 8.100 19 Immaculata 0.650 (13-7) 13-9
179 8.095 19 Rochester Tech 0.571 (12-9) 13-10
180 8.091 21 St. Catherine's 0.591 (13-9) 14-9
181 8.087 22 Mississippi College 0.652 (15-8) 15-8
182 8.045 36 Nichols 0.591 (13-9) 13-9
183 8.000 19 Salisbury 0.579 (11-8) 13-10
184 8.000 23 Emory 0.444 (8-10) 8-13
185 8.000 23 Franklin 0.611 (11-7) 13-9
186 8.000 24 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.526 (10-9) 10-10
187 8.000 22 St. Thomas 0.565 (13-10) 13-10
188 7.955 25 Mount Union 0.500 (11-11) 11-12
189 7.952 37 Babson 0.524 (11-10) 11-11
190 7.952 20 Frostburg State 0.619 (13-8) 15-8
191 7.947 21 Mt. St. Vincent 0.579 (11-8) 13-8
192 7.913 23 Wartburg 0.522 (12-11) 13-12
193 7.909 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (11-11) 12-11
194 7.900 26 Marian 0.550 (11-9) 14-9
195 7.895 27 North Park 0.579 (11-8) 14-8
196 7.895 26 Defiance 0.526 (10-9) 13-10
197 7.889 28 Greenville 0.605 (11-7) 15-7
198 7.870 38 Middlebury 0.478 (11-12) 12-12
199 7.857 24 Southwestern 0.524 (11-10) 12-10
200 7.833 25 Washington and Lee 0.500 (9-9) 12-10
Pat,
I don't know if these quality point indexes are totally accurate.
I believe some of the regional records are off due to the fact that not all games on the team webpages are accurately listed as in region or out of region. Moravian/Hopkins (not listed as region game) and DelVal/St. Lawrence (is listed as region game) are two examples of this.
This is not meant to be to as criticisim, as the site has so much info a few of these are always going to slip through. My guess was your program to compute the quality points was drawing from that database of info.
If am wrong, I do apologize --- it would not be the first or the last mistake of mine! :)
Believe me, we'll gladly take any info we can get.
However, Delaware Valley/St. Lawrence is a regional game. This is correctly listed. Check the FAQ (link at the bottom of my post) for the definition of a regional game.
I stand corrected on DelVal/St.Lawrence. I was thinking playing region and distance and omitted the "administrative region" qualifier. I was just using two example I thought were right ( shooting 50% at least ). I thought I saw Dickinson/Wilkes not listed as regional as well. Most likely these are 2nd round Tourney Games where pairings would not be known when schedules were first submitted.
Do you want other instances if found, or is the data being pulled from a different place and therefor not important to your QP calculations? And thanks for publishing the QP indexes, it saves lots of surfing and hand held calculations!
Pretty much every system dealing with game-day data is linked together, so if you see anything let me know. I've just gone through both MACs and touched up a couple games.
Hey Pat,
I've been tracking several of the central regions QOWI (particularly Wash U's) and seem to be different on some and was hoping you could help with what I am doing wrong. Also, before I start, why is Hanover considered a regional game for Wash U? Hanover isn't in Wash U's administrative region, they are in the Great Lakes playing region, not in the UAA, and more than 200 miles apart (I believe). That win actually negatively affects the QOWI index so was trying to figure out why that would be regional. Understand about the Central game now but was puzzled about Hanover. They weren't a regional game last season.
Assuming they do count, I have Wash U coming out at 10.11 instead of 10.056. It is based on the following QOW for each team:
Central - 1 point
Blackburn - 8 points
Lake Forest - 6 points
Hanover - 8 points
North Park - 13 points
Maryville - 14 points
Fontbonne - 12 points
Webster - 9 points
Chicago - 7 points
Case Western - 11 points
Emory - 11 points
Rochester - 14 points
CMU - 8 points
Brandeis - 14 points
NYU - 14 points
NYU - 7 points
Brandeis - 15 points
Emory - 10 points
That totals to 182 points in 18 games which is 10.111. If you take Hanover off, the total becomes 174 in 17 games which is 10.235.
I am hoping you can let me know where I have a mistake or if maybe the posted calculations are wrong and about the Hanover as well.
Quote from: bearsfan on February 12, 2007, 10:22:57 AM
Assuming they do count, I have Wash U coming out at 10.11 instead of 10.056. It is based on the following QOW for each team:
That totals to 182 points in 18 games which is 10.111. If you take Hanover off, the total becomes 174 in 17 games which is 10.235.
I am hoping you can let me know where I have a mistake or if maybe the posted calculations are wrong and about the Hanover as well.
Your calculations look right (the 10.056 would be 181 over 18). I'm guessing that the database doesn't credit the 1 point for a neutral court loss to Central, seeing it as a home loss.
Thanks. That makes sense. Wouldn't the neutral court be an away game for both teams though no matter who was the "home team" for the game?
It is. I'm wondering if this is an issue in the database, since neutral and home games are both shown as "vs." while the road games are "at."
Quote from: pabegg on February 12, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
It is. I'm wondering if this is an issue in the database, since neutral and home games are both shown as "vs." while the road games are "at."
Good point. The games are in fact vs by any sorta reasonable definition, but count as at in the QOWI. When I did the West Region calculations by hand last week, this is something I had to check on for each team... ie. click on that little box with the + to make sure it wasn't at a tournament that wasn't the tournament of one of the two teams playing. That would be pretty hard to deal with in a comp program it seems... :-\
I had forgotten how badly wheaton did in the Non-conf season... looks like we just have to win the conference tourney. :D :-X
Quote from: pabegg on February 12, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
It is. I'm wondering if this is an issue in the database, since neutral and home games are both shown as "vs." while the road games are "at."
I tested neutral games and they appeared to work, but as with any transition to a new system, there can always be bugs.
Top 200, through Sunday, not including the Hanover/Wash U game that needs to be made non-regional:
Overall Points In-region Team Region Win% Overall
1 12.273 1 Bowdoin 0.955 (21-1) 23-1
2 12.136 1 Messiah 0.955 (21-1) 21-2
3 11.818 2 Fitchburg State 0.955 (21-1) 21-1
4 11.714 1 UW-Stout 0.857 (18-3) 19-5
5 11.684 3 Emmanuel 0.947 (18-1) 20-1
6 11.455 4 Southern Maine 0.955 (21-1) 21-1
7 11.273 2 Scranton 0.905 (19-2) 21-2
8 11.250 1 Cortland State 0.950 (19-1) 20-1
9 11.182 1 Mary Washington 0.909 (20-2) 21-2
10 11.150 5 Williams 0.800 (16-4) 19-5
11 11.136 2 New York University 0.909 (20-2) 20-2
12 11.091 3 Rochester 0.818 (18-4) 18-4
13 11.045 3 McDaniel 0.909 (20-2) 20-2
14 11.000 1 Howard Payne 0.955 (21-1) 22-1
15 11.000 1 Luther 0.875 (14-2) 18-4
16 10.957 4 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.913 (21-2) 21-2
17 10.875 1 DePauw 0.813 (13-3) 20-3
18 10.850 6 Maine Maritime 0.900 (18-2) 20-2
19 10.850 4 St. Lawrence 0.950 (19-1) 21-2
20 10.800 7 Brandeis 0.800 (16-4) 17-4
21 10.800 2 Calvin 1.000 (15-0) 21-1
22 10.800 2 UW-Whitewater 0.750 (15-5) 17-6
23 10.778 3 Lake Forest 0.944 (17-1) 19-2
24 10.722 2 Simpson 0.778 (14-4) 18-5
25 10.650 4 Carroll 0.850 (17-3) 18-3
26 10.636 2 Kean 0.864 (19-3) 20-3
27 10.632 5 Illinois Wesleyan 0.895 (17-2) 19-3
28 10.588 3 Puget Sound 0.882 (15-2) 19-4
29 10.500 3 Wilmington 0.800 (16-4) 19-4
30 10.450 2 Oglethorpe 0.850 (17-3) 18-5
31 10.450 4 Denison 0.850 (17-3) 19-4
32 10.409 3 Mount St. Mary 0.905 (19-2) 20-3
33 10.389 6 Concordia (Wis.) 0.889 (16-2) 19-3
34 10.389 7 UW-Eau Claire 0.722 (13-5) 16-7
35 10.350 8 Chicago 0.750 (15-5) 17-5
36 10.286 8 Norwich 0.905 (19-2) 20-2
37 10.286 5 Oswego State 0.714 (15-6) 15-7
38 10.273 9 Maine-Farmington 0.864 (19-3) 19-3
39 10.261 4 Gustavus Adolphus 0.870 (20-3) 20-3
40 10.227 10 Keene State 0.773 (17-5) 17-5
41 10.227 5 Capital 0.773 (17-5) 17-5
42 10.190 5 St. Benedict 0.905 (19-2) 19-4
43 10.182 3 McMurry 0.864 (19-3) 20-3
44 10.176 4 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.882 (15-2) 19-3
45 10.174 5 Albright 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
46 10.167 9 Washington U. 0.789 (15-4) 17-5
47 10.167 6 Chapman 0.722 (13-5) 18-5
48 10.150 5 Randolph-Macon 0.850 (17-3) 18-4
49 10.136 11 Tufts 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
50 10.091 4 William Paterson 0.864 (19-3) 20-4
51 10.091 6 Baldwin-Wallace 0.773 (17-5) 18-5
52 10.056 10 Millikin 0.833 (15-3) 18-4
53 10.053 6 Medaille 0.895 (17-2) 19-4
54 10.053 6 East Texas Baptist 0.842 (16-3) 20-4
55 10.000 7 Brockport State 0.750 (15-5) 17-5
56 9.955 12 Colby-Sawyer 0.818 (18-4) 18-4
57 9.955 6 Muhlenberg 0.818 (18-4) 19-4
58 9.950 11 UW-Stevens Point 0.700 (14-6) 16-6
59 9.900 7 Manchester 0.800 (16-4) 16-6
60 9.895 8 Transylvania 0.737 (14-5) 16-7
61 9.875 12 Maryville (Mo.) 0.813 (13-3) 17-5
62 9.857 7 Hardin-Simmons 0.810 (17-4) 18-4
63 9.824 9 Hope 0.824 (14-3) 19-3
64 9.810 8 Virginia Wesleyan 0.810 (17-4) 19-5
65 9.800 7 George Fox 0.719 (11-4) 15-6
66 9.789 13 Salve Regina 0.789 (15-4) 16-6
67 9.737 14 Mount Holyoke 0.684 (13-6) 16-7
68 9.737 8 RPI 0.684 (13-6) 14-8
69 9.700 10 Rose-Hulman 0.850 (17-3) 21-3
70 9.684 11 Thomas More 0.778 (14-4) 18-4
71 9.682 15 Worcester Polytech 0.727 (16-6) 16-6
72 9.667 9 Elmira 0.786 (11-3) 18-4
73 9.667 5 York (Pa.) 0.667 (16-8) 16-8
74 9.667 12 Ohio Northern 0.714 (15-6) 16-7
75 9.652 16 Bates 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
76 9.619 9 Ferrum 0.762 (16-5) 17-6
77 9.591 7 Dickinson 0.810 (17-4) 19-4
78 9.556 13 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.722 (13-5) 15-6
79 9.526 13 Westminster (Pa.) 0.737 (14-5) 18-5
80 9.500 10 Hamilton 0.667 (12-6) 15-6
81 9.476 17 Suffolk 0.762 (16-5) 16-7
82 9.476 6 Marymount 0.750 (15-5) 15-8
83 9.474 10 Hendrix 0.842 (16-3) 19-4
84 9.455 7 Stevens 0.857 (18-3) 19-4
85 9.455 8 Baruch 0.727 (16-6) 18-7
86 9.450 18 Eastern Connecticut 0.600 (12-8) 13-10
87 9.412 14 Carthage 0.706 (12-5) 14-8
88 9.409 14 Penn State-Behrend 0.864 (19-3) 19-3
89 9.375 8 La Verne 0.750 (12-4) 16-5
90 9.364 8 King's 0.667 (14-7) 16-7
91 9.300 11 Trinity (Texas) 0.650 (13-7) 15-7
92 9.263 19 Mass-Boston 0.684 (13-6) 15-8
93 9.263 12 Eastern Mennonite 0.789 (15-4) 16-5
94 9.250 9 Cabrini 0.708 (17-7) 17-7
95 9.238 13 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.714 (15-6) 16-7
96 9.182 20 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
97 9.182 21 Endicott 0.682 (15-7) 15-7
98 9.056 14 Greensboro 0.778 (14-4) 16-6
99 9.053 15 Lawrence 0.632 (12-7) 13-8
100 9.050 15 Piedmont 0.700 (14-6) 15-7
101 9.050 15 Wittenberg 0.600 (12-8) 13-9
102 9.045 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.727 (16-6) 16-7
103 9.045 16 Allegheny 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
104 8.957 9 Carleton 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
105 8.952 11 Ithaca 0.619 (13-8) 13-9
106 8.952 16 St. Norbert 0.667 (14-7) 14-7
107 8.947 22 Wesleyan 0.579 (11-8) 14-8
108 8.947 17 Washington and Jefferson 0.632 (12-7) 15-7
109 8.905 12 Union 0.571 (12-9) 12-10
110 8.905 10 Juniata 0.619 (13-8) 14-9
111 8.900 10 Concordia-Moorhead 0.650 (13-7) 15-8
112 8.889 11 Johns Hopkins 0.706 (12-5) 13-8
113 8.875 11 Minnesota-Morris 0.875 (7-1) 12-10
114 8.867 12 Redlands 0.667 (10-5) 13-7
115 8.864 12 Moravian 0.571 (12-9) 13-10
116 8.850 17 Christopher Newport 0.650 (13-7) 15-8
117 8.842 9 Rutgers-Newark 0.737 (14-5) 15-7
118 8.833 13 Keuka 0.667 (12-6) 13-7
119 8.818 10 Lehman 0.636 (14-8) 16-9
120 8.810 17 Aurora 0.667 (14-7) 14-8
121 8.800 14 William Smith 0.550 (11-9) 11-10
122 8.789 11 Catholic 0.579 (11-8) 14-9
123 8.762 13 DeSales 0.667 (14-7) 16-7
124 8.750 13 Loras 0.650 (13-7) 14-9
125 8.739 12 Richard Stockton 0.522 (12-11) 12-11
126 8.727 23 Rhode Island College 0.636 (14-8) 14-9
127 8.727 18 Benedictine 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
128 8.706 14 Linfield 0.588 (10-7) 13-9
129 8.700 19 UW-River Falls 0.550 (11-9) 14-10
130 8.682 15 Utica 0.682 (15-7) 16-7
131 8.667 18 Shenandoah 0.619 (13-8) 14-8
132 8.650 16 New Paltz State 0.700 (14-6) 14-8
133 8.619 24 Emerson 0.619 (13-8) 13-9
134 8.619 13 Montclair State 0.571 (12-9) 13-9
135 8.611 19 Texas-Tyler 0.667 (12-6) 15-8
136 8.611 15 Buena Vista 0.667 (12-6) 15-8
137 8.591 20 Edgewood 0.591 (13-9) 13-10
138 8.588 16 Whitman 0.529 (9-8) 11-12
139 8.571 20 Austin 0.619 (13-8) 13-8
140 8.565 14 Ursinus 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
141 8.556 17 Whitworth 0.556 (10-8) 13-10
142 8.550 14 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.700 (14-6) 15-6
143 8.545 21 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.545 (12-10) 13-10
144 8.533 18 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.533 (8-7) 12-9
145 8.529 19 Lewis and Clark 0.647 (11-6) 15-8
146 8.500 15 Susquehanna 0.500 (10-10) 13-10
147 8.478 15 John Jay 0.652 (15-8) 17-8
148 8.476 25 Castleton State 0.667 (14-7) 15-7
149 8.474 16 Elizabethtown 0.579 (11-8) 13-9
150 8.455 26 Amherst 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
151 8.444 18 Anderson 0.611 (11-7) 15-8
152 8.409 27 Western Connecticut 0.545 (12-10) 13-10
153 8.409 17 Geneseo State 0.545 (12-10) 13-10
154 8.409 16 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.500 (11-11) 11-11
155 8.400 19 Otterbein 0.600 (12-8) 14-9
156 8.375 17 New Jersey 0.458 (11-13) 11-13
157 8.368 21 Emory 0.474 (9-10) 9-13
158 8.364 28 Salem State 0.545 (12-10) 12-10
159 8.357 22 Principia 0.714 (10-4) 16-5
160 8.350 18 Oneonta State 0.550 (11-9) 13-10
161 8.348 29 Western New England 0.565 (13-10) 13-10
162 8.304 30 Springfield 0.522 (12-11) 12-11
163 8.304 23 Lakeland 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
164 8.278 20 Olivet 0.611 (11-7) 11-10
165 8.250 22 Rhodes 0.600 (12-8) 14-9
166 8.222 24 UW-La Crosse 0.500 (9-9) 13-10
167 8.211 18 Salisbury 0.579 (11-8) 13-10
168 8.211 21 Albion 0.579 (11-8) 13-9
169 8.208 17 Neumann 0.667 (16-8) 16-8
170 8.208 18 Alvernia 0.583 (14-10) 14-10
171 8.200 19 Villa Julie 0.684 (13-6) 14-9
172 8.200 22 Kenyon 0.550 (11-9) 12-11
173 8.200 20 Pacific Lutheran 0.533 (8-7) 12-10
174 8.190 31 Worcester State 0.524 (11-10) 13-10
175 8.150 32 Bridgewater State 0.550 (11-9) 12-9
176 8.136 33 Clark 0.545 (12-10) 12-10
177 8.136 34 Husson 0.500 (11-11) 11-11
178 8.111 25 Fontbonne 0.611 (11-7) 12-10
179 8.100 35 Trinity (Conn.) 0.550 (11-9) 12-11
180 8.095 19 Rochester Tech 0.571 (12-9) 13-10
181 8.095 19 Immaculata 0.667 (14-7) 14-9
182 8.091 21 St. Catherine's 0.591 (13-9) 14-9
183 8.087 23 Mississippi College 0.652 (15-8) 15-8
184 8.053 20 Mt. St. Vincent 0.579 (11-8) 13-8
185 8.045 36 Nichols 0.591 (13-9) 13-9
186 8.000 23 Franklin 0.611 (11-7) 13-9
187 8.000 24 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.526 (10-9) 10-10
188 8.000 22 St. Thomas 0.565 (13-10) 13-10
189 7.955 25 Mount Union 0.500 (11-11) 11-12
190 7.952 37 Babson 0.524 (11-10) 11-11
191 7.952 21 Frostburg State 0.619 (13-8) 15-8
192 7.913 23 Wartburg 0.522 (12-11) 13-12
193 7.909 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (11-11) 12-11
194 7.900 26 Marian 0.550 (11-9) 14-9
195 7.895 26 Defiance 0.526 (10-9) 13-10
196 7.895 27 North Park 0.579 (11-8) 14-8
197 7.889 28 Greenville 0.605 (11-7) 15-7
198 7.870 38 Middlebury 0.478 (11-12) 12-12
199 7.857 24 Southwestern 0.524 (11-10) 12-10
200 7.833 25 Washington and Lee 0.500 (9-9) 12-10
Here's my list of edits based on the recent QOWI list:
First off, Finlandia is listed as Central region in the handbook, which affects Stout, Stevens Point, River Falls, LaCrosse, and Carroll from the list, along with others not on the list.
Not regional
UW-Whitewater - St. Marys IN
Wheaton IL - Judson
Mount Union - North Central
Christopher Newport - Hood
St. Marys MD - Meredith
Bates - Geneseo St
Keene St - St Josephs VT
Should be regional
Rockford - Maryville MO
Thiel - Transylvania
Thiel - Olivet
Wilmington - Marymount
Fisk - Maryville TN
Marymount - Mt St Marys
Stevens - MIT
CCNY - Rutgers Newark
Oswego - Gettysburg
Mt Holyoke - E Connecticut
Mt Holyoke - Vassar
Whitewater/St. Mary's IN is a 200-mile game.
Thanks for the rest.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2007, 02:06:24 PM
Whitewater/St. Mary's IN is a 200-mile game.
Thanks for the rest.
My mistake, it sure is.
Top 200 QOWI through Sunday:
Rank Points Team
1 12.304 Bowdoin
2 11.958 Messiah
3 11.609 Emmanuel
4 11.500 Southern Maine
5 11.333 Scranton
6 11.208 New York University
7 11.167 Mary Washington
8 11.167 DePauw
9 11.160 Fitchburg State
10 11.143 Williams
11 11.125 Rochester
12 11.000 Cortland State
13 11.000 UW-Stout
14 10.917 Howard Payne
15 10.882 Calvin
16 10.840 Gwynedd-Mercy
17 10.833 Luther
18 10.818 St. Lawrence
19 10.760 McDaniel
20 10.727 Brandeis
21 10.708 Kean
22 10.652 Carroll
23 10.650 Lake Forest
24 10.636 UW-Whitewater
25 10.600 Simpson
26 10.565 Norwich
27 10.560 Mount St. Mary
28 10.522 Wilmington
29 10.500 Oglethorpe
30 10.478 Maine Maritime
31 10.458 McMurry
32 10.429 Illinois Wesleyan
33 10.421 Puget Sound
34 10.400 Washington U.
35 10.391 Randolph-Macon
36 10.391 William Paterson
37 10.364 Denison
38 10.360 Maine-Farmington
39 10.304 Keene State
40 10.250 Concordia (Wis.)
41 10.227 Manchester
42 10.217 St. Benedict
43 10.200 Gustavus Adolphus
44 10.174 Hardin-Simmons
45 10.150 Hope
46 10.136 Chicago
47 10.059 George Fox
48 10.050 Maryville (Tenn.)
49 10.045 Transylvania
50 10.000 East Texas Baptist
51 10.000 Chapman
52 10.000 Tufts
53 9.958 Dickinson
54 9.958 Colby-Sawyer
55 9.957 Ferrum
56 9.957 Brockport State
57 9.955 Virginia Wesleyan
58 9.950 UW-Eau Claire
59 9.905 Medaille
60 9.900 Millikin
61 9.880 Albright
62 9.864 Trinity (Texas)
63 9.833 Capital
64 9.833 Oswego State
65 9.818 Salve Regina
66 9.783 UW-Stevens Point
67 9.737 Maryville (Mo.)
68 9.737 Wheaton (Ill.)
69 9.619 Rose-Hulman
70 9.619 Thomas More
71 9.619 Westminster (Pa.)
72 9.609 Eastern Connecticut
73 9.609 Bates
74 9.583 Muhlenberg
75 9.542 Baldwin-Wallace
76 9.542 Worcester Polytech
77 9.522 Baruch
78 9.520 Stevens
79 9.500 Minnesota-Morris
80 9.476 Hendrix
81 9.458 King's
82 9.435 Suffolk
83 9.429 Piedmont
84 9.391 Mount Holyoke
85 9.364 Eastern Mennonite
86 9.360 York (Pa.)
87 9.348 Shenandoah
88 9.318 RPI
89 9.292 Penn State-Behrend
90 9.280 Carleton
91 9.263 Elmira
92 9.240 Endicott
93 9.190 Hamilton
94 9.190 Mass-Boston
95 9.174 Bridgewater (Va.)
96 9.125 Moravian
97 9.087 Allegheny
98 9.087 St. Norbert
99 9.087 William Smith
100 9.080 Cabrini
101 9.056 La Verne
102 9.048 Wesleyan
103 9.043 Lehman
104 9.043 Ohio Northern
105 9.000 SUNY-Farmingdale
106 9.000 Christopher Newport
107 9.000 Carthage
108 9.000 Wittenberg
109 8.960 Marymount
110 8.958 Benedictine
111 8.958 Mary Hardin-Baylor
112 8.958 Wheaton (Mass.)
113 8.957 Montclair State
114 8.952 Greensboro
115 8.941 Redlands
116 8.917 Utica
117 8.913 Juniata
118 8.900 Keuka
119 8.870 Austin
120 8.864 Concordia-Moorhead
121 8.864 Loras
122 8.850 Texas-Tyler
123 8.840 Ursinus
124 8.833 Rhode Island College
125 8.810 Washington and Jefferson
126 8.800 Salem State
127 8.783 Geneseo State
128 8.750 Buena Vista
129 8.750 Ithaca
130 8.737 Lewis and Clark
131 8.727 Susquehanna
132 8.714 Lawrence
133 8.708 Emerson
134 8.682 Villa Julie
135 8.667 Rhodes
136 8.652 Union
137 8.650 Johns Hopkins
138 8.640 St. Thomas
139 8.632 Linfield
140 8.609 Rochester Tech
141 8.600 Springfield
142 8.565 New Paltz State
143 8.550 Anderson
144 8.545 Rutgers-Newark
145 8.545 UW-River Falls
146 8.542 Castleton State
147 8.526 Whitman
148 8.522 DeSales
149 8.500 John Jay
150 8.500 SUNY-Purchase
151 8.480 Alvernia
152 8.480 Western New England
153 8.478 Bridgewater State
154 8.458 Wisconsin Lutheran
155 8.435 St. Mary's (Md.)
156 8.400 Whitworth
157 8.381 Catholic
158 8.375 Edgewood
159 8.364 Oneonta State
160 8.360 Nichols
161 8.360 Gettysburg
162 8.360 Richard Stockton
163 8.348 Amherst
164 8.333 Principia
165 8.333 Roanoke
166 8.292 Aurora
167 8.280 Mississippi College
168 8.240 Lakeland
169 8.208 Western Connecticut
170 8.200 Neumann
171 8.200 New Jersey
172 8.190 Washington and Lee
173 8.176 Pacific Lutheran
174 8.174 Mount Union
175 8.158 Fontbonne
176 8.158 Greenville
177 8.143 Mt. St. Vincent
178 8.143 Emory
179 8.136 Immaculata
180 8.125 St. Catherine's
181 8.118 Agnes Scott
182 8.100 Salisbury
183 8.095 Albion
184 8.095 UW-La Crosse
185 8.091 Otterbein
186 8.087 Frostburg State
187 8.063 Occidental
188 8.048 North Park
189 8.048 Elizabethtown
190 8.048 St. Mary's (Ind.)
191 8.040 Husson
192 8.000 Kenyon
193 8.000 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
194 8.000 Defiance
195 7.957 Wooster
196 7.957 Drew
197 7.952 Trinity (Conn.)
198 7.920 Pitt-Greensburg
199 7.917 St. John Fisher
200 7.917 Clark
OK, I'm a total amateur at this, so take this analysis with a grain of salt, but...
For the heck of it, I printed out the top 100 QOWI, and went thru each conf with an automatic bid, picking the top seed as a champ...couple cases I had to take liberties...I gave the UAA to Wash...I just wanted to get an idea as to what league runner-ups are in good shape even if they don't win, and which aren't.
Perhaps one of our other folks with more of an expertise can help out, and tell me if I'm right on this, but with 20 pool c's available, the "runners-up bubble" (this week, anyway) seems to run from Gustavus (16th on my chart) to Dickinson (24th).
Granted, these QOWI's can change big-time in postseason, but I thought it was worth a look (and it actually only took about a half hour)
actually, it seems kind of silly to draw the bottom of the QOWI bubble line at Dickinson...the next couple of teams are .001 to .003 behind them
so how far down do I go...maybe to Millikin?
I wonder if 16th is too low to start the bubble and if in fact a couple teams higher up aren't also in danger.
Pat how does a teams QOWI drop when they don't play any games and there's nobody on their schedule that played? Unless I missed something.
HPU dropped from 10.917 to 10.625.
I may have missed one of their non-conference teams playing a game I guess?
Quote from: dballa on February 21, 2007, 06:26:12 AM
I may have missed one of their non-conference teams playing a game I guess?
That may answer your question. Remember, there are certain point values for beating teams who are above or below .500 and I believe whether they are above .333. Just a guess, since it is early in the morning and I don't have my QOWI handbook in front of me :).
Fixed another damn bug:
1 12.261 1 Bowdoin 0.957 (22-1) 24-1
2 11.958 1 Messiah 0.958 (23-1) 23-2
3 11.458 2 Emmanuel 0.958 (23-1) 25-1
4 11.333 2 Scranton 0.917 (22-2) 23-2
5 11.208 1 New York University 0.917 (22-2) 22-2
6 11.200 3 Fitchburg State 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
7 11.200 4 Southern Maine 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
8 11.125 2 Rochester 0.792 (19-5) 19-5
9 11.111 1 DePauw 0.833 (15-3) 22-3
10 10.960 1 Mary Washington 0.920 (23-2) 24-2
11 10.958 3 Cortland State 0.917 (22-2) 23-2
12 10.952 5 Williams 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
13 10.875 1 UW-Stout 0.833 (20-4) 21-5
14 10.875 2 Kean 0.875 (21-3) 22-3
15 10.840 3 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
16 10.833 1 Luther 0.889 (16-2) 20-4
17 10.760 4 McDaniel 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
18 10.727 6 Brandeis 0.818 (18-4) 19-4
19 10.722 2 Calvin 1.000 (18-0) 24-1
20 10.708 1 Howard Payne 0.958 (23-1) 24-1
21 10.708 7 Maine Maritime 0.917 (22-2) 24-2
22 10.652 2 Carroll 0.870 (20-3) 20-3
23 10.650 3 Lake Forest 0.950 (19-1) 21-2
24 10.636 4 St. Lawrence 0.955 (21-1) 23-2
25 10.571 2 Simpson 0.810 (17-4) 21-5
26 10.538 3 Mount St. Mary 0.846 (22-4) 22-4
27 10.423 8 Maine-Farmington 0.885 (23-3) 23-3
28 10.421 3 Puget Sound 0.842 (16-3) 20-5
29 10.417 3 Wilmington 0.833 (20-4) 22-4
30 10.417 9 Norwich 0.917 (22-2) 23-2
31 10.400 4 Washington U. 0.800 (16-4) 19-5
32 10.391 4 William Paterson 0.870 (20-3) 21-4
33 10.348 4 Denison 0.870 (20-3) 22-4
34 10.318 2 Oglethorpe 0.818 (18-4) 19-6
35 10.304 3 Randolph-Macon 0.870 (20-3) 21-4
36 10.292 4 McMurry 0.875 (21-3) 22-3
37 10.261 5 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
38 10.250 6 Concordia (Wis.) 0.900 (18-2) 21-3
39 10.227 5 Manchester 0.818 (18-4) 19-6
40 10.217 4 St. Benedict 0.870 (20-3) 20-5
41 10.200 5 Gustavus Adolphus 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
42 10.136 7 Chicago 0.727 (16-6) 18-6
43 10.087 10 Tufts 0.696 (16-7) 17-7
44 10.059 6 George Fox 0.750 (13-4) 17-6
45 10.048 6 Hope 0.857 (18-3) 22-3
46 10.045 7 Transylvania 0.773 (17-5) 18-7
47 10.042 11 Keene State 0.792 (19-5) 20-5
48 10.000 5 Dickinson 0.833 (20-4) 21-4
49 10.000 8 Illinois Wesleyan 0.864 (19-3) 21-4
50 9.960 12 Colby-Sawyer 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
51 9.958 5 Brockport State 0.750 (18-6) 20-6
52 9.957 5 Hardin-Simmons 0.826 (19-4) 20-4
53 9.955 6 Virginia Wesleyan 0.773 (17-5) 19-6
54 9.952 9 UW-Eau Claire 0.714 (15-6) 18-8
55 9.950 7 Chapman 0.750 (15-5) 20-5
56 9.920 8 Capital 0.760 (19-6) 19-6
57 9.913 13 Salve Regina 0.826 (19-4) 20-6
58 9.905 6 Medaille 0.905 (19-2) 21-4
59 9.900 7 East Texas Baptist 0.850 (17-3) 21-4
60 9.880 6 Albright 0.680 (17-8) 17-8
61 9.857 10 Millikin 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
62 9.850 11 Maryville (Mo.) 0.850 (17-3) 20-5
63 9.840 7 Oswego State 0.720 (18-7) 18-7
64 9.810 9 Thomas More 0.810 (17-4) 20-4
65 9.727 10 Westminster (Pa.) 0.773 (17-5) 21-5
66 9.667 8 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.857 (18-3) 22-4
67 9.667 9 Ferrum 0.792 (19-5) 20-6
68 9.667 14 Eastern Connecticut 0.667 (16-8) 16-10
69 9.619 11 Rose-Hulman 0.810 (17-4) 21-4
70 9.609 15 Bates 0.609 (14-9) 15-9
71 9.591 10 Trinity (Texas) 0.682 (15-7) 17-7
72 9.583 7 Muhlenberg 0.750 (18-6) 19-6
73 9.542 12 UW-Stevens Point 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
74 9.538 5 Stevens 0.808 (21-5) 21-5
75 9.458 8 King's 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
76 9.458 16 Worcester Polytech 0.750 (18-6) 18-6
77 9.450 13 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.700 (14-6) 17-7
78 9.429 11 Hendrix 0.762 (16-5) 19-6
79 9.417 6 Baruch 0.750 (18-6) 20-7
80 9.417 17 Suffolk 0.750 (18-6) 18-8
81 9.391 18 Mount Holyoke 0.696 (16-7) 18-7
82 9.385 8 Carleton 0.731 (19-7) 19-7
83 9.385 7 York (Pa.) 0.692 (18-8) 18-8
84 9.364 12 Eastern Mennonite 0.727 (16-6) 17-7
85 9.320 12 Baldwin-Wallace 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
86 9.292 13 Penn State-Behrend 0.833 (20-4) 20-4
87 9.286 14 Carthage 0.619 (13-8) 15-10
88 9.269 19 Endicott 0.692 (18-8) 18-8
89 9.263 8 Elmira 0.737 (14-5) 20-5
90 9.250 14 Ohio Northern 0.667 (16-8) 17-9
91 9.208 15 Allegheny 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
92 9.208 9 Moravian 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
93 9.208 13 Shenandoah 0.667 (16-8) 17-8
94 9.190 9 Hamilton 0.667 (14-7) 17-7
95 9.174 14 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.696 (16-7) 17-8
96 9.136 10 RPI 0.636 (14-8) 15-10
97 9.105 9 La Verne 0.737 (14-5) 18-6
98 9.100 10 Minnesota-Morris 0.900 (9-1) 14-11
99 9.087 15 St. Norbert 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
100 9.080 10 Cabrini 0.720 (18-7) 18-7
101 9.080 16 Benedictine 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
102 9.048 15 Piedmont 0.714 (15-6) 16-7
103 9.045 16 Washington and Jefferson 0.682 (15-7) 19-7
104 9.043 8 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.739 (17-6) 18-6
105 9.042 9 Lehman 0.667 (16-8) 18-9
106 9.000 11 Concordia-Moorhead 0.696 (16-7) 18-8
107 9.000 12 Redlands 0.667 (12-6) 15-8
108 8.962 10 Marymount 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
109 8.958 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.667 (16-8) 16-9
110 8.958 20 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.625 (15-9) 16-9
111 8.957 17 Wittenberg 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
112 8.952 11 Keuka 0.700 (14-6) 16-7
113 8.952 21 Wesleyan 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
114 8.920 11 Ursinus 0.640 (16-9) 16-9
115 8.913 12 Juniata 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
116 8.913 12 William Smith 0.609 (14-9) 14-10
117 8.905 13 Buena Vista 0.667 (14-7) 17-9
118 8.885 22 Salem State 0.600 (15-10) 16-10
119 8.864 14 Loras 0.682 (15-7) 16-9
120 8.833 11 Montclair State 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
121 8.833 13 Utica 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
122 8.783 14 Geneseo State 0.565 (13-10) 14-11
123 8.750 17 Texas-Tyler 0.700 (14-6) 17-8
124 8.750 15 Ithaca 0.583 (14-10) 14-11
125 8.739 17 UW-River Falls 0.609 (14-9) 16-10
126 8.739 12 Rutgers-Newark 0.696 (16-7) 16-9
127 8.737 15 Lewis and Clark 0.632 (12-7) 16-9
128 8.727 13 Susquehanna 0.545 (12-10) 15-10
129 8.727 18 Christopher Newport 0.682 (15-7) 18-8
130 8.692 14 Alvernia 0.615 (16-10) 16-10
131 8.682 19 Greensboro 0.727 (16-6) 18-8
132 8.680 23 Castleton State 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
133 8.680 24 Springfield 0.560 (14-11) 14-11
134 8.652 20 Austin 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
135 8.650 15 Johns Hopkins 0.700 (14-6) 14-9
136 8.640 25 Rhode Island College 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
137 8.636 26 Mass-Boston 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
138 8.632 16 Linfield 0.579 (11-8) 14-10
139 8.625 18 Aurora 0.708 (17-7) 17-8
140 8.619 19 Lawrence 0.571 (12-9) 13-10
141 8.609 16 DeSales 0.609 (14-9) 16-9
142 8.609 13 Villa Julie 0.696 (16-7) 18-8
143 8.609 16 Rochester Tech 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
144 8.577 17 St. Thomas 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
145 8.565 17 New Paltz State 0.696 (16-7) 16-9
146 8.550 18 Anderson 0.600 (12-8) 16-9
147 8.538 27 Western New England 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
148 8.520 20 Edgewood 0.600 (15-10) 15-11
149 8.520 28 Emerson 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
150 8.478 18 Union 0.565 (13-10) 13-11
151 8.476 21 Rhodes 0.619 (13-8) 15-9
152 8.462 29 Nichols 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
153 8.458 19 Mount Union 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
154 8.440 17 Gettysburg 0.600 (15-10) 15-10
155 8.400 18 Whitworth 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
156 8.385 18 Neumann 0.692 (18-8) 18-8
157 8.385 14 New Jersey 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
158 8.381 15 Salisbury 0.619 (13-8) 15-10
159 8.368 19 Whitman 0.526 (10-9) 12-13
160 8.364 20 Albion 0.591 (13-9) 15-10
161 8.360 16 John Jay 0.640 (16-9) 18-9
162 8.348 30 Bridgewater State 0.565 (13-10) 14-10
163 8.346 17 Richard Stockton 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
164 8.333 22 Roanoke 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
165 8.333 18 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
166 8.318 19 Catholic 0.545 (12-10) 15-11
167 8.304 19 Oneonta State 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
168 8.280 21 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
169 8.261 31 Amherst 0.522 (12-11) 12-13
170 8.240 32 Western Connecticut 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
171 8.231 33 Husson 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
172 8.227 20 Mt. St. Vincent 0.591 (13-9) 15-9
173 8.192 22 Lakeland 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
174 8.190 23 Washington and Lee 0.571 (12-9) 15-10
175 8.176 20 Pacific Lutheran 0.529 (9-8) 13-11
176 8.174 21 Kenyon 0.565 (13-10) 14-12
177 8.160 24 Mississippi College 0.640 (16-9) 16-9
178 8.150 23 Greenville 0.643 (13-7) 17-7
179 8.143 25 Emory 0.429 (9-12) 9-15
180 8.136 22 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.545 (12-10) 12-11
181 8.100 24 Fontbonne 0.600 (12-8) 13-12
182 8.080 21 St. Catherine's 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
183 8.048 19 Elizabethtown 0.524 (11-10) 13-11
184 8.048 25 North Park 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
185 8.048 34 Trinity (Conn.) 0.524 (11-10) 12-12
186 8.045 26 UW-La Crosse 0.455 (10-12) 13-13
187 8.000 23 Defiance 0.524 (11-10) 14-11
188 8.000 20 Immaculata 0.609 (14-9) 14-11
189 8.000 27 Principia 0.688 (11-5) 18-6
190 8.000 22 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.556 (10-8) 14-10
191 8.000 35 Worcester State 0.500 (12-12) 14-12
192 7.957 24 Otterbein 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
193 7.957 21 Drew 0.522 (12-11) 13-12
194 7.941 23 Occidental 0.588 (10-7) 15-9
195 7.917 21 Frostburg State 0.625 (15-9) 17-9
196 7.917 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
197 7.917 36 Clark 0.500 (12-12) 12-12
198 7.889 26 Agnes Scott 0.556 (10-8) 16-8
199 7.875 25 Wooster 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
200 7.864 26 Olivet 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
Provided the last bug is squashed, here's the top 70 from Pat's QoWI list (9.6 and up.) I have assigned the A bid to the first team in each Pool A conference to appear on the list. Purely-mechanical--don't read any more into this assignment of A bids than that. What's left are five Pool B candidates and 34 Pool C candidates, all bolded. For reference, the tournament will include 4 Pool B bids and 20 Pool C bids. Please let me know if I have made any mistakes in conference identification.
1 12.261 1 Bowdoin 0.957 (22-1) 24-1 NESCAC A
2 11.958 1 Messiah 0.958 (23-1) 23-2 MACC A
3 11.458 2 Emmanuel 0.958 (23-1) 25-1 GNAC A
4 11.333 2 Scranton 0.917 (22-2) 23-2 MACF A
5 11.208 1 New York University 0.917 (22-2) 22-2 UAA A
6 11.200 3 Fitchburg State 0.920 (23-2) 23-2 MASCAC A
7 11.200 4 Southern Maine 0.920 (23-2) 23-2 LEC A
8 11.125 2 Rochester 0.792 (19-5) 19-5 UAA C1
9 11.111 1 DePauw 0.833 (15-3) 22-3 SCAC A
10 10.960 1 Mary Washington 0.920 (23-2) 24-2 CAC A
11 10.958 3 Cortland State 0.917 (22-2) 23-2 SUNYAC A
12 10.952 5 Williams 0.810 (17-4) 20-5 NESCAC C2
13 10.875 1 UW-Stout 0.833 (20-4) 21-5 WIAC A
14 10.875 2 Kean 0.875 (21-3) 22-3 NJAC A
15 10.840 3 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.920 (23-2) 23-2 PennaAC A
16 10.833 1 Luther 0.889 (16-2) 20-4 IIAC A
17 10.760 4 McDaniel 0.920 (23-2) 23-2 Centennial A
18 10.727 6 Brandeis 0.818 (18-4) 19-4 UAA C3
19 10.722 2 Calvin 1.000 (18-0) 24-1 MIAA A
20 10.708 1 Howard Payne 0.958 (23-1) 24-1 ASC A
21 10.708 7 Maine Maritime 0.917 (22-2) 24-2 NAC A
22 10.652 2 Carroll 0.870 (20-3) 20-3 MWC A
23 10.650 3 Lake Forest 0.950 (19-1) 21-2 MWC C4
24 10.636 4 St. Lawrence 0.955 (21-1) 23-2 LL A
25 10.571 2 Simpson 0.810 (17-4) 21-5 IIAC C5
26 10.538 3 Mount St. Mary 0.846 (22-4) 22-4 SKY A
27 10.423 8 Maine-Farmington 0.885 (23-3) 23-3 NAC C6
28 10.421 3 Puget Sound 0.842 (16-3) 20-5 NWC A
29 10.417 3 Wilmington 0.833 (20-4) 22-4 OAC A
30 10.417 9 Norwich 0.917 (22-2) 23-2 GNAC C7
31 10.400 4 Washington U. 0.800 (16-4) 19-5 UAA C8
32 10.391 4 William Paterson 0.870 (20-3) 21-4 NJAC C9
33 10.348 4 Denison 0.870 (20-3) 22-4 NCAC A
34 10.318 2 Oglethorpe 0.818 (18-4) 19-6 SCAC C10
35 10.304 3 Randolph-Macon 0.870 (20-3) 21-4 ODAC A
36 10.292 4 McMurry 0.875 (21-3) 22-3 ASC C11
37 10.261 5 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7 WIAC C12
38 10.250 6 Concordia (Wis.) 0.900 (18-2) 21-3 NathCon B1
39 10.227 5 Manchester 0.818 (18-4) 19-6 HCAC A
40 10.217 4 St. Benedict 0.870 (20-3) 20-5 MIAC A
41 10.200 5 Gustavus Adolphus 0.840 (21-4) 21-4 MIAC C13
42 10.136 7 Chicago 0.727 (16-6) 18-6 UAA C14
43 10.087 10 Tufts 0.696 (16-7) 17-7 NESCAC C15
44 10.059 6 George Fox 0.750 (13-4) 17-6 NWC C16
45 10.048 6 Hope 0.857 (18-3) 22-3 MIAA C17
46 10.045 7 Transylvania 0.773 (17-5) 18-7 HCAC C18
47 10.042 11 Keene State 0.792 (19-5) 20-5 LEC C19
48 10.000 5 Dickinson 0.833 (20-4) 21-4 Centennial C20
49 10.000 8 Illinois Wesleyan 0.864 (19-3) 21-4 CCIW A
50 9.960 12 Colby-Sawyer 0.840 (21-4) 21-4 CCC A
51 9.958 5 Brockport State 0.750 (18-6) 20-6 SUNYAC C21
52 9.957 5 Hardin-Simmons 0.826 (19-4) 20-4 ASC C22
53 9.955 6 Virginia Wesleyan 0.773 (17-5) 19-6 ODAC C23
54 9.952 9 UW-Eau Claire 0.714 (15-6) 18-8 WIAC C24
55 9.950 7 Chapman 0.750 (15-5) 20-5 Ind B2
56 9.920 8 Capital 0.760 (19-6) 19-6 OAC C25
57 9.913 13 Salve Regina 0.826 (19-4) 20-6 CCC C26
58 9.905 6 Medaille 0.905 (19-2) 21-4 AMCC A
59 9.900 7 East Texas Baptist 0.850 (17-3) 21-4 ASC C27
60 9.880 6 Albright 0.680 (17-8) 17-8 MACC C28
61 9.857 10 Millikin 0.810 (17-4) 20-5 CCIW C29
62 9.850 11 Maryville (Mo.) 0.850 (17-3) 20-5 SLIAC A
63 9.840 7 Oswego State 0.720 (18-7) 18-7 SUNYAC C30
64 9.810 9 Thomas More 0.810 (17-4) 20-4 PresAC B3
65 9.727 10 Westminster (Pa.) 0.773 (17-5) 21-5 PresAC B4
66 9.667 8 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.857 (18-3) 22-4 GSAC C31
67 9.667 9 Ferrum 0.792 (19-5) 20-6 USASAC A
68 9.667 14 Eastern Connecticut 0.667 (16-8) 16-10 LEC C32
69 9.619 11 Rose-Hulman 0.810 (17-4) 21-4 HCAC C33
70 9.609 15 Bates 0.609 (14-9) 15-9 NESCAC C34
Only that the GSAC gets an automatic bid on the women's side because it has seven teams, so Maryville (Tenn.) cannot get a Pool B bid.
Good work, thanks -- I am not surprised that the women's floor sits at 10.0 while the men's is at 9.7.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 03:31:40 PM
Only that the GSAC gets an automatic bid on the women's side because it has seven teams, so Maryville (Tenn.) cannot get a Pool B bid.
Thanks; fixed. :)
Through Thursday:
Rank QOWI Rk in-reg Team Reg. W-L Overall
1 12.261 1 Bowdoin 0.957 (22-1) 24-1
2 11.800 1 Messiah 0.960 (24-1) 24-2
3 11.375 2 Emmanuel 0.958 (23-1) 25-1
4 11.360 2 Scranton 0.920 (23-2) 24-2
5 11.208 1 New York University 0.917 (22-2) 22-2
6 11.200 3 Fitchburg State 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
7 11.125 2 Rochester 0.792 (19-5) 19-5
8 11.120 4 Southern Maine 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
9 11.111 1 DePauw 0.833 (15-3) 22-3
10 10.958 3 Cortland State 0.917 (22-2) 23-2
11 10.920 1 UW-Stout 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
12 10.895 1 Luther 0.895 (17-2) 21-4
13 10.857 5 Williams 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
14 10.846 1 Mary Washington 0.923 (24-2) 25-2
15 10.789 2 Calvin 1.000 (19-0) 25-1
16 10.708 1 Howard Payne 0.958 (23-1) 24-1
17 10.708 6 Maine Maritime 0.917 (22-2) 24-2
18 10.654 3 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.923 (24-2) 24-2
19 10.652 2 Carroll 0.870 (20-3) 20-3
20 10.650 3 Lake Forest 0.950 (19-1) 21-2
21 10.636 4 St. Lawrence 0.955 (21-1) 23-2
22 10.636 7 Brandeis 0.818 (18-4) 19-4
23 10.600 4 McDaniel 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
24 10.520 2 Kean 0.880 (22-3) 23-3
25 10.519 3 Mount St. Mary 0.852 (23-4) 23-4
26 10.500 2 Puget Sound 0.850 (17-3) 21-5
27 10.480 3 Wilmington 0.840 (21-4) 23-4
28 10.423 8 Maine-Farmington 0.885 (23-3) 23-3
29 10.417 9 Norwich 0.917 (22-2) 23-2
30 10.409 3 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
31 10.400 4 Washington U. 0.800 (16-4) 19-5
32 10.348 4 Denison 0.870 (20-3) 22-4
33 10.333 5 Concordia (Wis.) 0.905 (19-2) 22-3
34 10.318 2 Oglethorpe 0.818 (18-4) 19-6
35 10.304 3 Randolph-Macon 0.870 (20-3) 21-4
36 10.292 4 McMurry 0.875 (21-3) 22-3
37 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
38 10.250 4 Chapman 0.750 (15-5) 20-5
39 10.227 5 Manchester 0.818 (18-4) 19-6
40 10.208 5 St. Benedict 0.875 (21-3) 21-5
41 10.208 4 William Paterson 0.875 (21-3) 22-4
42 10.136 7 Chicago 0.727 (16-6) 18-6
43 10.136 6 Hope 0.864 (19-3) 23-3
44 10.115 6 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-4
45 10.059 7 George Fox 0.750 (13-4) 17-6
46 10.045 7 Transylvania 0.773 (17-5) 18-7
47 10.042 10 Keene State 0.792 (19-5) 20-5
48 10.000 8 Illinois Wesleyan 0.864 (19-3) 21-4
49 10.000 11 Tufts 0.696 (16-7) 17-7
50 10.000 8 Capital 0.769 (20-6) 20-6
51 9.958 12 Salve Regina 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
52 9.957 5 Hardin-Simmons 0.826 (19-4) 20-4
53 9.955 6 Virginia Wesleyan 0.773 (17-5) 19-6
54 9.952 9 Maryville (Mo.) 0.857 (18-3) 21-5
55 9.923 13 Colby-Sawyer 0.846 (22-4) 22-4
56 9.905 5 Medaille 0.905 (19-2) 21-4
57 9.900 7 East Texas Baptist 0.850 (17-3) 21-4
58 9.875 6 Brockport State 0.750 (18-6) 20-6
59 9.857 10 Millikin 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
60 9.840 7 Oswego State 0.720 (18-7) 18-7
61 9.833 5 Dickinson 0.833 (20-4) 21-4
62 9.826 11 UW-Eau Claire 0.727 (16-6) 19-8
63 9.810 9 Thomas More 0.810 (17-4) 20-4
64 9.727 10 Westminster (Pa.) 0.773 (17-5) 21-5
65 9.720 12 UW-Stevens Point 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
66 9.667 8 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.857 (18-3) 22-4
67 9.667 9 Ferrum 0.792 (19-5) 20-6
68 9.654 6 Albright 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
69 9.619 11 Rose-Hulman 0.810 (17-4) 21-4
70 9.609 14 Bates 0.609 (14-9) 15-9
71 9.591 10 Trinity (Texas) 0.682 (15-7) 17-7
72 9.583 7 Muhlenberg 0.750 (18-6) 19-6
73 9.500 15 Eastern Connecticut 0.667 (16-8) 16-10
74 9.480 8 King's 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
75 9.450 13 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.700 (14-6) 17-7
76 9.429 11 Hendrix 0.762 (16-5) 19-6
77 9.417 5 Baruch 0.750 (18-6) 20-7
78 9.407 6 Stevens 0.778 (21-6) 21-6
79 9.364 12 Eastern Mennonite 0.727 (16-6) 17-7
80 9.333 16 Suffolk 0.750 (18-6) 18-8
81 9.320 12 Baldwin-Wallace 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
82 9.308 14 Benedictine 0.731 (19-7) 20-7
83 9.292 7 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.750 (18-6) 19-6
84 9.292 13 Penn State-Behrend 0.833 (20-4) 20-4
85 9.286 15 Carthage 0.619 (13-8) 15-10
86 9.263 8 Elmira 0.737 (14-5) 20-5
87 9.250 8 La Verne 0.750 (15-5) 19-6
88 9.222 8 York (Pa.) 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
89 9.208 14 Allegheny 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
90 9.190 9 Hamilton 0.667 (14-7) 17-7
91 9.185 17 Endicott 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
92 9.174 13 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.696 (16-7) 17-8
93 9.160 18 Worcester Polytech 0.760 (19-6) 19-6
94 9.160 15 Ohio Northern 0.640 (16-9) 17-10
95 9.148 9 Carleton 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
96 9.136 10 RPI 0.636 (14-8) 15-10
97 9.125 14 Shenandoah 0.667 (16-8) 17-8
98 9.120 9 Moravian 0.600 (15-10) 16-10
99 9.100 10 Minnesota-Morris 0.900 (9-1) 14-11
100 9.087 11 Loras 0.696 (16-7) 17-9
101 9.087 16 St. Norbert 0.696 (16-7) 16-7
102 9.083 19 Mount Holyoke 0.708 (17-7) 19-7
103 9.048 15 Piedmont 0.714 (15-6) 16-7
104 9.045 16 Washington and Jefferson 0.682 (15-7) 19-7
105 9.000 12 Redlands 0.684 (13-6) 16-8
106 8.962 10 Cabrini 0.731 (19-7) 19-7
107 8.958 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.667 (16-8) 16-9
108 8.957 17 Wittenberg 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
109 8.952 11 Keuka 0.700 (14-6) 16-7
110 8.917 13 Concordia-Moorhead 0.667 (16-8) 18-9
111 8.913 12 William Smith 0.609 (14-9) 14-10
112 8.885 11 Ursinus 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
113 8.875 9 Lehman 0.667 (16-8) 18-9
114 8.857 20 Wesleyan 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
115 8.852 10 Marymount 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
116 8.840 21 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.640 (16-9) 17-9
117 8.833 13 Utica 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
118 8.818 14 Buena Vista 0.636 (14-8) 17-10
119 8.750 17 Texas-Tyler 0.700 (14-6) 17-8
120 8.750 14 Ithaca 0.583 (14-10) 14-11
121 8.737 15 Lewis and Clark 0.632 (12-7) 16-9
122 8.727 18 Christopher Newport 0.682 (15-7) 18-8
123 8.708 15 Geneseo State 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
124 8.682 19 Greensboro 0.727 (16-6) 18-8
125 8.680 22 Castleton State 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
126 8.667 17 UW-River Falls 0.583 (14-10) 16-11
127 8.654 23 Salem State 0.600 (15-10) 16-10
128 8.652 20 Austin 0.609 (14-9) 14-9
129 8.652 12 Juniata 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
130 8.650 13 Johns Hopkins 0.700 (14-6) 14-9
131 8.640 24 Rhode Island College 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
132 8.636 25 Mass-Boston 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
133 8.625 16 New Paltz State 0.708 (17-7) 17-9
134 8.619 18 Lawrence 0.571 (12-9) 13-10
135 8.609 17 Rochester Tech 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
136 8.583 11 Rutgers-Newark 0.667 (16-8) 16-10
137 8.550 16 Linfield 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
138 8.550 18 Anderson 0.600 (12-8) 16-9
139 8.538 26 Western New England 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
140 8.522 12 Villa Julie 0.696 (16-7) 18-8
141 8.520 19 Aurora 0.680 (17-8) 17-9
142 8.500 13 Montclair State 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
143 8.478 18 Union 0.565 (13-10) 13-11
144 8.478 14 Susquehanna 0.522 (12-11) 15-11
145 8.476 21 Rhodes 0.619 (13-8) 15-9
146 8.462 20 Edgewood 0.577 (15-11) 15-12
147 8.458 15 DeSales 0.583 (14-10) 16-10
148 8.440 27 Emerson 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
149 8.423 17 St. Thomas 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
150 8.400 18 Whitworth 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
151 8.400 19 Mount Union 0.520 (13-12) 14-13
152 8.368 19 Whitman 0.526 (10-9) 12-13
153 8.333 20 Occidental 0.611 (11-7) 16-9
154 8.333 22 Roanoke 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
155 8.333 16 Neumann 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
156 8.333 17 Alvernia 0.593 (16-11) 16-11
157 8.316 21 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.579 (11-8) 15-10
158 8.304 19 Oneonta State 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
159 8.304 20 Albion 0.565 (13-10) 15-11
160 8.294 21 Principia 0.706 (12-5) 19-6
161 8.280 22 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
162 8.280 14 John Jay 0.640 (16-9) 18-9
163 8.261 28 Bridgewater State 0.565 (13-10) 14-10
164 8.259 15 New Jersey 0.481 (13-14) 13-14
165 8.259 29 Nichols 0.630 (17-10) 17-10
166 8.240 30 Western Connecticut 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
167 8.231 31 Husson 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
168 8.231 18 Gettysburg 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
169 8.192 23 Lakeland 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
170 8.190 23 Washington and Lee 0.571 (12-9) 15-10
171 8.176 22 Pacific Lutheran 0.529 (9-8) 13-11
172 8.174 16 Mt. St. Vincent 0.565 (13-10) 15-10
173 8.174 32 Amherst 0.522 (12-11) 12-13
174 8.174 21 Kenyon 0.565 (13-10) 14-12
175 8.160 24 Mississippi College 0.640 (16-9) 16-9
176 8.143 25 Emory 0.429 (9-12) 9-15
177 8.115 33 Springfield 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
178 8.095 24 Greenville 0.614 (13-8) 17-8
179 8.087 22 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.522 (12-11) 12-12
180 8.048 25 North Park 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
181 8.048 26 Fontbonne 0.571 (12-9) 13-13
182 8.045 27 UW-La Crosse 0.455 (10-12) 13-13
183 8.045 17 Salisbury 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
184 8.045 18 Catholic 0.545 (12-10) 15-11
185 8.038 19 Richard Stockton 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
186 8.000 20 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
187 8.000 34 Worcester State 0.500 (12-12) 14-12
188 8.000 23 Defiance 0.524 (11-10) 14-11
189 7.957 24 Otterbein 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
190 7.917 21 Frostburg State 0.625 (15-9) 17-9
191 7.917 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
192 7.917 19 Drew 0.500 (12-12) 13-13
193 7.889 26 Agnes Scott 0.556 (10-8) 16-8
194 7.875 25 Wooster 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
195 7.864 26 Olivet 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
196 7.857 35 Trinity (Conn.) 0.524 (11-10) 12-12
197 7.850 22 Notre Dame (Md.) 0.700 (14-6) 16-6
198 7.840 23 St. Catherine's 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
199 7.840 36 Babson 0.520 (13-12) 13-13
200 7.792 27 Southwestern 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
David- Having tried to do that kind of thing before, I am sure that wasn't very easy, though you're probably more skilled than me.
FYI- Illinois Wesleyan and Millikin might both need Pool Cs. I know that's true of most conferences, but since Wheaton is the conference champ and tourney host and not in the top 70, I thought that might be important to note.
At this point I doubt that any of them will get a Pool C bid, except maybe if IWU beats Millikin and loses to Wheaton.
skafkas,
I think your assessment might be too bleak. Assuming Wheaton wins the A (for simplicity's sake, and because they're the hottest team right now), if IWU wins the semi, they'd finish 10.125 QOWI and .833 winning % - seems pretty safe. (If they lose the semi, they'd be 9.913, .826 - definitely precarious at best.) If Millikin wins the semi, they'd finish 10.000 QOWI and .783 winning % - far from a lock, but seems 'high bubble' terrritory. (If they lose the semi, they'd be 9.773, .773 - almost certainly out.)
[Note: these QOWI computations assume no change in level for non-conference opponents.]
And through Friday:
Overall QOWI In reg. Team Reg. rec. Overall
1 12.261 1 Bowdoin 0.957 (22-1) 24-1
2 11.800 1 Messiah 0.960 (24-1) 24-2
3 11.400 2 Emmanuel 0.960 (24-1) 26-1
4 11.360 2 Scranton 0.920 (23-2) 24-2
5 11.208 1 New York University 0.917 (22-2) 22-2
6 11.154 3 Southern Maine 0.923 (24-2) 24-2
7 11.125 2 Rochester 0.792 (19-5) 19-5
8 11.080 3 Cortland State 0.920 (23-2) 24-2
9 11.000 4 Fitchburg State 0.923 (24-2) 24-2
10 10.952 5 Williams 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
11 10.895 1 Luther 0.895 (17-2) 21-4
12 10.870 4 St. Lawrence 0.957 (22-1) 24-2
13 10.840 1 UW-Stout 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
14 10.800 6 Maine Maritime 0.920 (23-2) 25-2
15 10.789 1 Calvin 1.000 (19-0) 25-1
16 10.769 1 Mary Washington 0.923 (24-2) 25-2
17 10.654 3 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.923 (24-2) 24-2
18 10.636 7 Brandeis 0.818 (18-4) 19-4
19 10.619 2 Lake Forest 0.952 (20-1) 22-2
20 10.600 2 Kean 0.880 (22-3) 23-3
21 10.600 8 Norwich 0.920 (23-2) 24-2
22 10.600 4 McDaniel 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
23 10.583 3 Carroll 0.875 (21-3) 21-3
24 10.579 2 DePauw 0.842 (16-3) 23-3
25 10.519 3 Mount St. Mary 0.852 (23-4) 23-4
26 10.519 9 Maine-Farmington 0.889 (24-3) 24-3
27 10.500 2 Puget Sound 0.850 (17-3) 21-5
28 10.480 3 Wilmington 0.840 (21-4) 23-4
29 10.440 1 Howard Payne 0.960 (24-1) 25-1
30 10.417 4 Denison 0.875 (21-3) 23-4
31 10.400 4 Washington U. 0.800 (16-4) 19-5
32 10.333 5 Concordia (Wis.) 0.905 (19-2) 22-3
33 10.318 3 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
34 10.304 5 Manchester 0.826 (19-4) 20-6
35 10.292 4 William Paterson 0.875 (21-3) 22-4
36 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
37 10.261 6 Transylvania 0.783 (18-5) 19-7
38 10.240 2 McMurry 0.880 (22-3) 23-3
39 10.217 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.870 (20-3) 22-4
40 10.208 4 St. Benedict 0.875 (21-3) 21-5
41 10.160 10 Keene State 0.800 (20-5) 21-5
42 10.143 5 Chapman 0.762 (16-5) 21-5
43 10.136 7 Hope 0.864 (19-3) 23-3
44 10.115 6 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-4
45 10.115 5 Oswego State 0.731 (19-7) 19-7
46 10.059 7 George Fox 0.750 (13-4) 17-6
47 10.045 8 Chicago 0.727 (16-6) 18-6
48 10.000 3 Oglethorpe 0.826 (19-4) 20-6
49 9.958 11 Salve Regina 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
50 9.952 9 Maryville (Mo.) 0.857 (18-3) 21-5
51 9.923 12 Colby-Sawyer 0.846 (22-4) 22-4
52 9.923 8 Capital 0.769 (20-6) 20-6
53 9.917 4 Randolph-Macon 0.875 (21-3) 22-4
54 9.913 13 Tufts 0.696 (16-7) 17-7
55 9.909 6 Medaille 0.909 (20-2) 22-4
56 9.857 5 East Texas Baptist 0.857 (18-3) 22-4
57 9.833 6 Hardin-Simmons 0.833 (20-4) 21-4
58 9.833 5 Dickinson 0.833 (20-4) 21-4
59 9.773 10 UW-Eau Claire 0.727 (16-6) 19-8
60 9.760 7 Brockport State 0.720 (18-7) 20-7
61 9.731 6 Albright 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
62 9.727 11 Millikin 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
63 9.727 7 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.864 (19-3) 23-4
64 9.720 8 Ferrum 0.800 (20-5) 21-6
65 9.696 9 Westminster (Pa.) 0.783 (18-5) 22-5
66 9.652 9 Virginia Wesleyan 0.783 (18-5) 20-6
67 9.609 14 Bates 0.609 (14-9) 15-9
68 9.583 7 Muhlenberg 0.750 (18-6) 19-6
69 9.571 12 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.714 (15-6) 18-7
70 9.545 10 Thomas More 0.818 (18-4) 21-4
71 9.542 13 UW-Stevens Point 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
72 9.500 11 Rose-Hulman 0.773 (17-5) 21-5
73 9.480 5 Baruch 0.720 (18-7) 20-8
74 9.480 8 King's 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
75 9.407 6 Stevens 0.778 (21-6) 21-6
76 9.400 8 Elmira 0.750 (15-5) 21-5
77 9.364 9 Hamilton 0.682 (15-7) 18-7
78 9.320 15 Eastern Connecticut 0.640 (16-9) 16-11
79 9.320 12 Baldwin-Wallace 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
80 9.318 10 RPI 0.636 (14-8) 15-10
81 9.308 14 Benedictine 0.731 (19-7) 20-7
82 9.292 7 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.750 (18-6) 19-6
83 9.280 13 Penn State-Behrend 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
84 9.280 14 Allegheny 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
85 9.250 8 La Verne 0.750 (15-5) 19-6
86 9.240 16 Suffolk 0.720 (18-7) 18-9
87 9.222 8 York (Pa.) 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
88 9.185 17 Endicott 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
89 9.182 15 Carthage 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
90 9.160 15 Ohio Northern 0.640 (16-9) 17-10
91 9.148 9 Carleton 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
92 9.136 10 Piedmont 0.727 (16-6) 17-7
93 9.130 11 Trinity (Texas) 0.652 (15-8) 17-8
94 9.120 9 Lehman 0.680 (17-8) 19-9
95 9.120 9 Moravian 0.600 (15-10) 16-10
96 9.100 10 Minnesota-Morris 0.900 (9-1) 14-11
97 9.091 11 Keuka 0.727 (16-6) 17-7
98 9.087 11 Loras 0.696 (16-7) 17-9
99 9.080 18 Worcester Polytech 0.760 (19-6) 19-6
100 9.040 12 Shenandoah 0.640 (16-9) 17-9
101 9.000 12 Redlands 0.684 (13-6) 16-8
102 9.000 16 St. Norbert 0.667 (16-8) 16-8
103 9.000 12 Ithaca 0.600 (15-10) 15-11
104 9.000 13 William Smith 0.583 (14-10) 14-11
105 9.000 19 Mount Holyoke 0.708 (17-7) 19-7
106 8.962 10 Cabrini 0.731 (19-7) 19-7
107 8.957 13 Christopher Newport 0.696 (16-7) 19-8
108 8.957 16 Washington and Jefferson 0.652 (15-8) 19-8
109 8.917 13 Concordia-Moorhead 0.667 (16-8) 18-9
110 8.885 11 Ursinus 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
111 8.857 20 Wesleyan 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
112 8.852 10 Marymount 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
113 8.840 21 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.640 (16-9) 17-9
114 8.833 14 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.667 (16-8) 17-9
115 8.833 17 Wittenberg 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
116 8.826 15 Eastern Mennonite 0.696 (16-7) 17-8
117 8.818 14 Buena Vista 0.636 (14-8) 17-10
118 8.760 14 Utica 0.680 (17-8) 18-8
119 8.737 15 Lewis and Clark 0.632 (12-7) 16-9
120 8.708 11 Villa Julie 0.708 (17-7) 19-8
121 8.708 15 Geneseo State 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
122 8.667 17 UW-River Falls 0.583 (14-10) 16-11
123 8.667 12 Rutgers-Newark 0.667 (16-8) 16-10
124 8.667 22 Salem State 0.630 (17-10) 17-10
125 8.652 12 Juniata 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
126 8.650 13 Johns Hopkins 0.700 (14-6) 14-9
127 8.640 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
128 8.640 23 Rhode Island College 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
129 8.636 24 Mass-Boston 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
130 8.615 25 Castleton State 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
131 8.609 17 Greensboro 0.696 (16-7) 18-9
132 8.591 18 Hendrix 0.727 (16-6) 19-7
133 8.583 16 Union 0.542 (13-11) 13-12
134 8.560 17 New Paltz State 0.680 (17-8) 17-10
135 8.550 16 Linfield 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
136 8.550 19 Texas-Tyler 0.700 (14-6) 17-8
137 8.542 18 Rochester Tech 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
138 8.520 18 Aurora 0.680 (17-8) 17-9
139 8.520 13 John Jay 0.640 (16-9) 18-9
140 8.500 20 Austin 0.625 (15-9) 15-9
141 8.500 14 Montclair State 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
142 8.481 26 Western New England 0.556 (15-12) 15-12
143 8.478 14 Susquehanna 0.522 (12-11) 15-11
144 8.476 18 Anderson 0.571 (12-9) 16-10
145 8.462 19 Edgewood 0.577 (15-11) 15-12
146 8.458 15 DeSales 0.583 (14-10) 16-10
147 8.440 27 Emerson 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
148 8.423 17 St. Thomas 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
149 8.400 18 Whitworth 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
150 8.368 19 Whitman 0.526 (10-9) 12-13
151 8.364 20 Lawrence 0.545 (12-10) 13-11
152 8.333 20 Occidental 0.611 (11-7) 16-9
153 8.333 16 Neumann 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
154 8.333 17 Alvernia 0.593 (16-11) 16-11
155 8.320 19 Mount Union 0.520 (13-12) 14-13
156 8.316 21 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.579 (11-8) 15-10
157 8.304 19 Oneonta State 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
158 8.304 20 Albion 0.565 (13-10) 15-11
159 8.294 21 Principia 0.706 (12-5) 19-6
160 8.280 22 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
161 8.269 28 Western Connecticut 0.538 (14-12) 15-12
162 8.261 29 Amherst 0.522 (12-11) 12-13
163 8.259 15 New Jersey 0.481 (13-14) 13-14
164 8.231 18 Gettysburg 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
165 8.200 21 Roanoke 0.600 (15-10) 16-10
166 8.192 23 Lakeland 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
167 8.185 30 Nichols 0.630 (17-10) 17-10
168 8.185 31 Husson 0.519 (14-13) 14-13
169 8.176 22 Pacific Lutheran 0.529 (9-8) 13-11
170 8.174 16 Mt. St. Vincent 0.565 (13-10) 15-10
171 8.136 22 Rhodes 0.636 (14-8) 16-9
172 8.136 23 Washington and Lee 0.591 (13-9) 16-10
173 8.125 21 Kenyon 0.542 (13-11) 14-13
174 8.095 24 Greenville 0.614 (13-8) 17-8
175 8.087 22 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.522 (12-11) 12-12
176 8.048 25 North Park 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
177 8.048 26 Fontbonne 0.571 (12-9) 13-13
178 8.045 27 UW-La Crosse 0.455 (10-12) 13-13
179 8.045 17 Salisbury 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
180 8.045 18 Catholic 0.545 (12-10) 15-11
181 8.038 19 Richard Stockton 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
182 8.038 32 Springfield 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
183 8.000 20 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
184 8.000 23 Defiance 0.524 (11-10) 14-11
185 7.962 24 Mississippi College 0.615 (16-10) 16-10
186 7.960 33 Worcester State 0.480 (12-13) 14-13
187 7.958 34 Bridgewater State 0.542 (13-11) 14-11
188 7.957 24 Otterbein 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
189 7.952 25 Emory 0.429 (9-12) 9-15
190 7.917 21 Frostburg State 0.625 (15-9) 17-9
191 7.917 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
192 7.917 19 Drew 0.500 (12-12) 13-13
193 7.905 22 Notre Dame (Md.) 0.714 (15-6) 17-6
194 7.875 25 Wooster 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
195 7.864 26 Olivet 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
196 7.842 26 Agnes Scott 0.526 (10-9) 16-9
197 7.840 23 St. Catherine's 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
198 7.792 20 Delaware Valley 0.458 (11-13) 11-13
199 7.762 35 Trinity (Conn.) 0.524 (11-10) 12-12
200 7.760 28 UW-Platteville 0.400 (10-15) 11-16
Just wondering?
Oglethorpe went from a 10.316 on Thursday to a 10.000 on Friday after beating Southwestern (13-12) which if my calculations are correct is worth 13 on the QOWI? Seems like a very large drop after a W.
I know you are busy Pat but if you get a chance, give it another look
thx
Quote from: airball1 on February 24, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
Just wondering?
Oglethorpe went from a 10.316 on Thursday to a 10.000 on Friday after beating Southwestern (13-12) which if my calculations are correct is worth 13 on the QOWI? Seems like a very large drop after a W.
I know you are busy Pat but if you get a chance, give it another look
thx
Same with Radolph Macon after their win ???
Quote from: airball1 on February 24, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
Just wondering?
Oglethorpe went from a 10.316 on Thursday to a 10.000 on Friday after beating Southwestern (13-12) which if my calculations are correct is worth 13 on the QOWI? Seems like a very large drop after a W.
I know you are busy Pat but if you get a chance, give it another look
thx
Two things may be in play here.
--Southwestern University's in-region record is now
12-13, worth 11 points yesterday instead of 13.
--The rumblings on the Men's Pool C message board have to do with the value of those teams whose in-region record is precisely 4-2 or 6-3 or 8-4 or 10-5 0r 12-6 or 14-7 or 16-8 being a percentage of .666666666666..., and not being .667 as in the Handbook. This drops the value of victories over those teams to 13 points instead of 15.
Did other OU opponents lose a stratum yesterday?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 08:51:28 AM
Quote from: airball1 on February 24, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
Just wondering?
Oglethorpe went from a 10.316 on Thursday to a 10.000 on Friday after beating Southwestern (13-12) which if my calculations are correct is worth 13 on the QOWI? Seems like a very large drop after a W.
I know you are busy Pat but if you get a chance, give it another look
thx
Two things may be in play here.
--Southwestern's in-region record is now 12-13, worth 11 points yesterday instead of 13.
--The rumblings on the Men's Pool C message board have to do with the value of those teams whose in-region record is precisely 4-2 or 6-3 or 8-4 or 10-5 0r 12-6 or 14-7 or 16-8 being a percentage of .666666666666..., and not being .667 as in the Handbook. This drops the value of victories over those teams to 13 points instead of 15.
Did other OU opponents lose a stratum yesterday?
But how do you get large drops after wins?
By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.
was speaking with a friend in Waltham today and they told me that someone at Brandeis told them that based on record and qowi that they are in the NCAA's today win or lose at NYU and that they expect to host the first round of the tourny. Is that possible? I mean I see that they are over 10.6 in the QOWI but a loss at NYU would bring that down, they only play 24 NOT 25 games and they had one win out of region. Granted they did beat the Maroons twice and Rochester once, but with 5 losses and that cupcake out of conference schedule why would they be "in not matter what happens today" when a team like Chicago if they beat Wash U would not. Chicago had a much tougher out of conference schedule and ok they lost at NYU and Brandeis and Rochester but all couple of point games. Maybe Coach Simon does it right if you get in the tourny by beating teams with 3 wins, 5 wins, 6 wins and it pays off better then beating teams with 12, 13, 15 wins
Just wondering again about Oglethorpe? Stand corrected on Southwestern in region record but still 11, higher then the 10.316.
Other in-region opponents still in hunt in respective conference tounaments such as Ferrum, Maryville, Piedmont and SCAC winners. I guess conference tournament winners and losers probably should balance out.
Just looking for input.
thx
Quote from: newtonnancy on February 24, 2007, 10:24:38 AM
was speaking with a friend in Waltham today and they told me that someone at Brandeis told them that based on record and qowi that they are in the NCAA's today win or lose at NYU and that they expect to host the first round of the tourny. Is that possible?
That is possible. There are 15 first round sites for the four-team bracket to be determined and they need a couple for the sub-regional in the Northeast. Whether your venue is selected over Bowdoin's, Southern Maine's or Emmanuel's remains to be seen.
I mean I see that they are over 10.6 in the QOWI but a loss at NYU would bring that down, they only play 24 NOT 25 games and they had one win out of region. Granted they did beat the Maroons twice and Rochester once, but with 5 losses and that cupcake out of conference schedule why would they be "in not matter what happens today" when a team like Chicago if they beat Wash U would not. Chicago had a much tougher out of conference schedule and ok they lost at NYU and Brandeis and Rochester but all couple of point games.
Maybe Coach Simon does it right if you get in the tourny by beating teams with 3 wins, 5 wins, 6 wins and it pays off better then beating teams with 12, 13, 15 wins
Newton, as I have grappled with the criteria, I have discovered more nuances/implications of what the criteria do to winnow out the teams that may not be deserving. (Careful analysis of my posts will show that I am frustrated by the failure to comply with the word of the guidelines, and only occasionally by the intent or spirit.)
Brandeis has these things going for them.
- You are the top rated Pool C candidate coming out of the Northeast Region, if we assume the "Super Secret" final Regional rankings hold as Wednesday's did. That means you are considered in the first group of 8 thru all 20 rounds of the Pool C deliberations .
- Your record against regionally ranked teams is 1-4 going into the NYU game.
- Your in-region record is in the Top 10 in a very top heavy (almost bimodal) region..lots of very good teams and lots of really bad teams, which can be said about many reigons.
- Your QOWI is in the Top 20. I think that your coach has done a ggod job of scheduling opponents. IMHO, the Northeast is one of the easiest regions to build an easy schedule that loads up on "pseudo-strong" QOWI opponents.
I think that a win over NYU clinches a Pool C bid. A loss throws you deeper into the Pool, but not completely out of it.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.
I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region ???
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.
I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region ???
Sorry if I lost you.
Oglethorpe's victory over Southwestern only calculates at 11 points on the QOWI scale. There may be other teams that lost points as they swtiched "strata" on the QWOI scale as well.
The whole Men's Pool C thread over the last 1-2 days and one of the Daily Dose threads talks about the administrative errors in the Handbook and the diferences in theory behindthe QOWI.
I personally need OU to lose so we can get a 4th ASC team into the tourney. Nothing greedy about me... ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 02:05:28 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.
I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region ???
Sorry if I lost you.
Oglethorpe's victory over Southwestern only calculates at 11 points on the QOWI scale. There may be other teams that lost points as they swtiched "strata" on the QWOI scale as well.
Whether a victory is worth 11 or 13 points, I don't understand how the more games you win they more points you lose...........
GAVA,
They didn't lose points for winning. However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 03:07:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 02:05:28 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
By re-reading Ralph's post more closely.
I am lost. Ralph's post talks about men's ball and the Southwestern Region ???
Sorry if I lost you.
Oglethorpe's victory over Southwestern only calculates at 11 points on the QOWI scale. There may be other teams that lost points as they swtiched "strata" on the QWOI scale as well.
Whether a victory is worth 11 or 13 points, I don't understand how the more games you win they more points you lose...........
QoWI is an average. You have to gain more points than your current average in order for your score to not decline. If your QoWI stands at 10, you must get at least 10 points out of your game to maintain your average. And as Ypsi points out, you could also lose (or gain) points from the results of other games.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 04:00:56 PM
GAVA,
They didn't lose points for winning. However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.
So upsets in the first round of the conference tournament actually lowers the scores of the winning teams......
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 04:00:56 PM
GAVA,
They didn't lose points for winning. However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.
So upsets in the first round of the conference tournament actually lowers the scores of the winning teams......
GAVA, let's say that your team has played 20 South Region games and has a QOWI of 10.000. The index is obtained by dividing your 200 QOWI points (15 points for a great win over a 15-7 team on the road, 2 points for a loss at home to an 8-9 team, etc.). You lose to a 10-12 team at the neutral site to earn 3 points.
200 QOWI points + 3 points in this tourney loss at a neutral site = 203. Divide that by 21 and your new QOWI = 9.666.
Do you see how that can change the index?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 06:19:39 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 24, 2007, 04:00:56 PM
GAVA,
They didn't lose points for winning. However, if one or more past opponents slipped to a lower category, they lose two points per opponent/game.
So upsets in the first round of the conference tournament actually lowers the scores of the winning teams......
GAVA, let's say that your team has played 20 South Region games and has a QOWI of 10.000. The index is obtained by dividing your 200 QOWI points (15 points for a great win over a 15-7 team on the road, 2 points for a loss at home to an 8-9 team, etc.). You lose to a 10-12 team at the neutral site to earn 3 points.
200 QOWI points + 3 points in this tourney loss at a neutral site = 203. Divide that by 21 and your new QOWI = 9.666.
Do you see how that can change the index?
Yes, but the first two seeds won their games but lost points.....I guess because seeds 3 and 4 were upset?
GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?
Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. :-\
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 07:24:27 PM
GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?
Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. :-\
ODAC tourney...RMC and VWC
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 07:24:27 PM
GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?
Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. :-\
ODAC tourney...RMC and VWC
RMC wins again tonight and advances to finals.....hope that didn't cost them more points !!
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 07:44:46 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 07:24:27 PM
GAVA, in which tourney do you mean, and on which QOWI's are you comparing?
Maybe I can help you with the specific teams and dates. :-\
ODAC tourney...RMC and VWC
RMC wins again tonight and advances to finals.....hope that didn't cost them more points !!
Your victory over
Lynchburg was worth only 9 points (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=south&team=w&view=standings) towards the QOWI. That is lower than your average so it pulled the average down. Duke's women could beat Randy-Mac's women and their RPI would fall on that victory.
That is part of what happened here. The other parts of the drops were because of a software bug (Post #118 on this board) and because of the interpretation that the NCAA apparently has for QOWI values in the Handbook, and discussed on the Men's QOWI board, beginning on
page 19 of the QOWI message board (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2910.270), dated February 23rd.
Does that help you? :)
I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ????? ??? :-\
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 08:24:12 PM
I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ????? ??? :-\
It should make sense because #7 and #8 are not very good at all.
I think that the Presidents and the AD's should look at the evdience and the impact of what playing #7 and #8 does to the chances of a really worthy #1 getting to host a playoff game or a #2 or #3 has of getting a Pool C at large bid. The Conference might want to consider a 6-team tourney with a #3-#6/#4-#5 play-in as a home game at #3 and #4. Almost always your #6 team should have an in-region record of .333. In fact, W&L is 13-9, a 12 point victory for the #3 team over W&L at home.
Did #1 and #2 really benefit from trouncing #7 and #8? ???
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2007, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 08:24:12 PM
I guess but it doesn't make much sense at face value...the # 1 seed RMC and the #2 seed VWC both lose points for having to beat the # 8 and# 7 seeds in the ODAC opening round.
Since the # 3 and #4 seeds lost in the opening round, do the #1 and #2 seeds lose more points tonight in the semi-finals for beating the #5 and #6 teams ????? ??? :-\
It should make sense because #7 and #8 are not very good at all.
I think that the Presidents and the AD's should look at the evdience and the impact of what playing #7 and #8 does to the chances of a really worthy #1 getting to host a playoff game or a #2 or #3 has of getting a Pool C at large bid. The Conference might want to consider a 6-team tourney with a #3-#6/#4-#5 play-in as a home game at #3 and #4. Almost always your #6 team should have an in-region record of .333. In fact, W&L is 13-9, a 12 point victory for the #3 team over W&L at home.
Did #1 and #2 really benefit from trouncing #7 and #8? ???
Could be worse I guess if they let all 11 teams in the tourney !!!! Don't think you could only have 6 teams play in an 11 team league.
The Top 4 from each division of the 15-team ASC go to the conference tourney.
GAVA:
In causing all this discussion with your smart-ass comments about losing points you completely overlooked what I was pointing you to in Ralph's post. There was an adjustment in the way we calculated .6666666 opponents. THAT'S your change.
Sheesh. Don't bring the ODAC women's board smarminess over here.
GAVA - also be advised that is you played a team earlier in the year that had a stellar record and was worth 15 QOWI points... BUT that team you played fell apart and finished below .500... that game NO longer worth 15 points... but maybe 11! You could lose points for teams falling apart!
Ask some of the mid-atlantic men's teams about how they thought their wins over Salisbury were going to help them... when they did just the opposite in the end!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 11:37:44 PM
GAVA:
In causing all this discussion with your smart-ass comments about losing points you completely overlooked what I was pointing you to in Ralph's post. There was an adjustment in the way we calculated .6666666 opponents. THAT'S your change.
Sheesh. Don't bring the ODAC women's board smarminess over here.
Excuse you Pat. I have made no SMART ASS remarks ever. I was truly trying to understand how RMC and VWC lost points in the rankings after their first rounds victories in the ODAC tournament. Ralph has explained it that it was due to the weakness of the #7 and #8 seeds in the tourney. I still have no idea what you mean by adjustments and .6666 ????
Your apology is accepted in advance.
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 12:03:30 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2007, 11:37:44 PM
GAVA:
In causing all this discussion with your smart-ass comments about losing points you completely overlooked what I was pointing you to in Ralph's post. There was an adjustment in the way we calculated .6666666 opponents. THAT'S your change.
Sheesh. Don't bring the ODAC women's board smarminess over here.
Excuse you Pat. I have made no SMART ASS remarks ever. I was truly trying to understand how RMC and VWC lost points in the rankings after their first rounds victories in the ODAC tournament. Ralph has explained it that it was due to the weakness of the #7 and #8 seeds in the tourney. I still have no idea what you mean by adjustments and .6666 ????
Your apology is accepted in advance.
GAVA, Pat's computer program (before about Wednesday) took the raw data of schools with records of 12-6, gave them a won-loss percentage of .667 and awarded them the highest stratum in games against them, i.e., a 15 point road win or a 7 point road loss. As he worked the calculations he found that the NCAA computer was interpreting a 12-6 record as .666666666... and the software logic saw that .66666.... was less than .667 and therefore was worth only 13 points for a road win and 5 points for a road loss. That threw off the calculations for multiple teams, all thruout the program.
That has been some of the consternation that we fans have had with the NCAA this season.
GAVA... do you read what people post?
We have been going on the assumption of .667 is the cut off... but since the NCAA takes that all the way down to .66666 that could actually push some teams below a certain point level. Thus... the QOWI up until recently would need to be adjusted and teams would LOSE POINTS!!!
As for beating a #7 or #8... if they are both below .500... the points earned for that victory will certainly be below 10... thus the average your team has FALLS. Because those top teams have QOWI's above 10 most likely. Do you understand the math? The QOWI is an AVERAGE... not a complete total. So if you are averaging a 10.000 and the next game adds only 9 points to your QOWI... your new number is going to be lower... since 9 is below your AVERAGE.
Also... if you played a team earlier in the year and earned 15 points lets say... but they fell apart and are below .500... then you don't get those 15 points anymore... you get maybe 11... you lost four points on your total that the average comes from.
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 25, 2007, 12:13:21 AM
GAVA... do you read what people post?
As for beating a #7 or #8... if they are both below .500... the points earned for that victory will certainly be below 10... thus the average your team has FALLS. Because those top teams have QOWI's above 10 most likely. Do you understand the math? The QOWI is an AVERAGE... not a complete total. So if you are averaging a 10.000 and the next game adds only 9 points to your QOWI... your new number is going to be lower... since 9 is below your AVERAGE.
Yes I read the post Ralph wrote explaining that the ODAC first round wins were worth only 9 points thus reducing RMC's and VWC's rankings.
Then GAVA - if you read the post I don't understand why you still ask why the top teams lost points!
Ralph! Should I assume Maryville's losing to Piedmont keeps the Scots out?
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 25, 2007, 12:22:43 AM
Then GAVA - if you read the post I don't understand why you still ask why the top teams lost points!
I haven't ask since Ralph's explanation. When do Pat and you begin your civility class?
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 25, 2007, 12:25:39 AM
Ralph! Should I assume Maryville's losing to Piedmont keeps the Scots out?
Doug, I think that it puts you into contention for a Pool C bid opposite ETBU and maybe HSU.
If VWC and Oglethorpe both win their tourneys tomorrow, then I think those teams end up in the mysterious secret Final Regional Rankings, and you have wins over both! (That is a criterion.) Your QOWI is weak. Your won-loss percentage in South Region games is strong.
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 12:03:30 AM
Your apology is accepted in advance.
Did you delete a post that read, in part, "how many points are we going to lose today?" It was here a little bit ago but now is gone.
That was what I was referencing.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 12:03:30 AM
Your apology is accepted in advance.
Did you delete a post that read, in part, "how many points are we going to lose today?" It was here a little bit ago but now is gone.
That was what I was referencing.
Nothing deleted. Post # 144. At that point I was wondering if having to play the # 5 and #6 seeds in the semis were also going to cost points. Ralph responded it wouldn't.I am going to overlook your's and Dmac's rudeness as you are both young enough to be my sons.
Quote from: GAVA on February 24, 2007, 07:44:46 PM
RMC wins again tonight and advances to finals.....hope that didn't cost them more points !!
Bingo. I read that the way I read that, yep.
Through Saturday:
Overall QOWI Rk in reg Team Region Win% Overall
1 12.333 1 Bowdoin 0.958 (23-1) 25-1
2 11.731 1 Messiah 0.962 (25-1) 25-2
3 11.500 2 Emmanuel 0.962 (25-1) 27-1
4 11.462 2 Scranton 0.923 (24-2) 25-2
5 11.320 1 New York University 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
6 11.259 3 Southern Maine 0.926 (25-2) 25-2
7 11.192 2 Cortland State 0.923 (24-2) 25-2
8 11.037 4 Fitchburg State 0.926 (25-2) 25-2
9 11.000 3 Rochester 0.800 (20-5) 20-5
10 10.962 1 UW-Stout 0.846 (22-4) 23-5
11 10.815 1 Mary Washington 0.926 (25-2) 26-2
12 10.778 3 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.926 (25-2) 25-2
13 10.773 5 Williams 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
14 10.773 2 Lake Forest 0.955 (21-1) 23-2
15 10.769 2 Kean 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
16 10.750 1 Luther 0.900 (18-2) 22-4
17 10.700 1 DePauw 0.850 (17-3) 24-3
18 10.667 4 St. Lawrence 0.917 (22-2) 24-3
19 10.654 6 Maine Maritime 0.885 (23-3) 25-3
20 10.643 3 Mount St. Mary 0.857 (24-4) 24-4
21 10.615 2 Wilmington 0.846 (22-4) 24-4
22 10.607 7 Maine-Farmington 0.893 (25-3) 25-3
23 10.577 1 Howard Payne 0.962 (25-1) 26-1
24 10.571 3 Washington U. 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
25 10.560 3 Denison 0.880 (22-3) 24-4
26 10.550 4 Calvin 0.950 (19-1) 25-2
27 10.500 4 Concordia (Wis.) 0.909 (20-2) 23-3
28 10.478 8 Brandeis 0.783 (18-5) 19-5
29 10.462 9 Norwich 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
30 10.458 5 Manchester 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
31 10.440 5 Carroll 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
32 10.423 2 McMurry 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
33 10.360 2 St. Benedict 0.875 (21-3) 22-5
34 10.348 6 Hope 0.870 (20-3) 24-3
35 10.346 4 McDaniel 0.885 (23-3) 23-3
36 10.333 3 Puget Sound 0.810 (17-4) 21-6
37 10.278 4 George Fox 0.763 (14-4) 18-6
38 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
39 10.160 10 Salve Regina 0.840 (21-4) 22-6
40 10.136 5 Chapman 0.773 (17-5) 22-5
41 10.125 3 Oglethorpe 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
42 10.125 7 Transylvania 0.750 (18-6) 19-8
43 10.120 4 William Paterson 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
44 10.087 5 Medaille 0.913 (21-2) 23-4
45 10.083 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.833 (20-4) 22-5
46 10.045 6 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
47 10.042 11 Tufts 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
48 10.040 5 Dickinson 0.840 (21-4) 22-4
49 10.038 12 Keene State 0.769 (20-6) 21-6
50 10.000 6 Oswego State 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
51 10.000 4 Randolph-Macon 0.880 (22-3) 23-4
52 10.000 7 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-5
53 9.913 8 Chicago 0.696 (16-7) 18-7
54 9.864 9 Maryville (Mo.) 0.864 (19-3) 22-5
55 9.815 8 Capital 0.741 (20-7) 20-7
56 9.792 5 Virginia Wesleyan 0.792 (19-5) 21-6
57 9.773 10 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.727 (16-6) 19-7
58 9.760 7 Brockport State 0.720 (18-7) 20-7
59 9.741 13 Colby-Sawyer 0.815 (22-5) 22-5
60 9.739 9 Thomas More 0.826 (19-4) 22-4
61 9.731 6 Albright 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
62 9.727 6 East Texas Baptist 0.818 (18-4) 22-5
63 9.727 11 Millikin 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
64 9.720 7 Hardin-Simmons 0.800 (20-5) 21-5
65 9.652 12 UW-Eau Claire 0.696 (16-7) 19-9
66 9.615 8 Ferrum 0.769 (20-6) 21-7
67 9.609 8 Hamilton 0.696 (16-7) 19-7
68 9.609 9 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.826 (19-4) 23-5
69 9.583 10 Westminster (Pa.) 0.750 (18-6) 22-6
70 9.542 13 UW-Stevens Point 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
71 9.500 14 Bates 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
72 9.500 11 Rose-Hulman 0.773 (17-5) 21-5
73 9.480 5 Baruch 0.720 (18-7) 20-8
74 9.480 7 Muhlenberg 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
75 9.407 6 Stevens 0.778 (21-6) 21-6
76 9.385 8 King's 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
77 9.348 10 Piedmont 0.739 (17-6) 18-7
78 9.320 15 Eastern Connecticut 0.640 (16-9) 16-11
79 9.320 12 Baldwin-Wallace 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
80 9.318 9 RPI 0.636 (14-8) 15-10
81 9.304 10 Keuka 0.727 (16-6) 18-7
82 9.250 8 La Verne 0.750 (15-5) 19-6
83 9.240 16 Suffolk 0.720 (18-7) 18-9
84 9.231 11 Ithaca 0.615 (16-10) 16-11
85 9.222 7 York (Pa.) 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
86 9.222 14 Benedictine 0.704 (19-8) 20-8
87 9.200 8 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
88 9.192 17 Worcester Polytech 0.769 (20-6) 20-6
89 9.192 13 Penn State-Behrend 0.808 (21-5) 21-5
90 9.192 14 Allegheny 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
91 9.185 18 Endicott 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
92 9.167 11 Christopher Newport 0.708 (17-7) 20-8
93 9.160 19 Mount Holyoke 0.720 (18-7) 20-7
94 9.160 15 Ohio Northern 0.640 (16-9) 17-10
95 9.148 9 Carleton 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
96 9.143 12 Elmira 0.714 (15-6) 21-6
97 9.130 12 Trinity (Texas) 0.652 (15-8) 17-8
98 9.120 9 Lehman 0.680 (17-8) 19-9
99 9.111 9 Ursinus 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
100 9.091 15 Carthage 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
101 9.038 10 Moravian 0.577 (15-11) 16-11
102 9.000 13 William Smith 0.583 (14-10) 14-11
103 9.000 16 St. Norbert 0.667 (16-8) 16-8
104 9.000 10 Redlands 0.684 (13-6) 16-8
105 9.000 11 Loras 0.667 (16-8) 17-10
106 8.960 13 Shenandoah 0.640 (16-9) 17-9
107 8.957 16 Washington and Jefferson 0.652 (15-8) 19-8
108 8.917 12 Minnesota-Morris 0.833 (10-2) 15-12
109 8.917 13 Concordia-Moorhead 0.667 (16-8) 18-9
110 8.889 11 Cabrini 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
111 8.857 20 Wesleyan 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
112 8.833 14 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.667 (16-8) 17-9
113 8.833 17 Wittenberg 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
114 8.826 15 Eastern Mennonite 0.696 (16-7) 17-8
115 8.786 10 Marymount 0.643 (18-10) 18-10
116 8.769 21 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.615 (16-10) 17-10
117 8.760 14 Utica 0.680 (17-8) 18-8
118 8.737 14 Lewis and Clark 0.632 (12-7) 16-9
119 8.708 15 Geneseo State 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
120 8.667 11 Rutgers-Newark 0.667 (16-8) 16-10
121 8.667 17 UW-River Falls 0.583 (14-10) 16-11
122 8.652 12 Juniata 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
123 8.650 13 Johns Hopkins 0.700 (14-6) 14-9
124 8.640 22 Rhode Island College 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
125 8.640 12 Villa Julie 0.708 (17-7) 19-9
126 8.640 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
127 8.636 23 Mass-Boston 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
128 8.636 15 Buena Vista 0.636 (14-8) 17-10
129 8.615 24 Castleton State 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
130 8.609 17 Greensboro 0.696 (16-7) 18-9
131 8.607 25 Salem State 0.607 (17-11) 17-11
132 8.591 18 Hendrix 0.727 (16-6) 19-7
133 8.583 16 Union 0.542 (13-11) 13-12
134 8.560 17 New Paltz State 0.680 (17-8) 17-10
135 8.550 19 Texas-Tyler 0.700 (14-6) 17-8
136 8.550 16 Linfield 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
137 8.542 18 Rochester Tech 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
138 8.520 18 Aurora 0.680 (17-8) 17-9
139 8.500 13 Montclair State 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
140 8.481 26 Western New England 0.556 (15-12) 15-12
141 8.478 14 Susquehanna 0.522 (12-11) 15-11
142 8.476 18 Anderson 0.571 (12-9) 16-10
143 8.462 19 Edgewood 0.577 (15-11) 15-12
144 8.458 15 DeSales 0.583 (14-10) 16-10
145 8.440 27 Emerson 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
146 8.440 14 John Jay 0.640 (16-9) 18-9
147 8.440 20 Austin 0.600 (15-10) 15-10
148 8.423 17 St. Thomas 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
149 8.400 18 Whitworth 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
150 8.368 19 Whitman 0.526 (10-9) 12-13
151 8.364 20 Lawrence 0.545 (12-10) 13-11
152 8.333 20 Occidental 0.611 (11-7) 16-9
153 8.333 16 Neumann 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
154 8.333 17 Alvernia 0.593 (16-11) 16-11
155 8.320 19 Mount Union 0.520 (13-12) 14-13
156 8.316 21 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.579 (11-8) 15-10
157 8.304 19 Oneonta State 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
158 8.304 20 Albion 0.565 (13-10) 15-11
159 8.280 21 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
160 8.269 28 Western Connecticut 0.538 (14-12) 15-12
161 8.261 29 Amherst 0.522 (12-11) 12-13
162 8.259 15 New Jersey 0.481 (13-14) 13-14
163 8.231 18 Gettysburg 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
164 8.222 22 Principia 0.667 (12-6) 19-7
165 8.192 23 Lakeland 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
166 8.185 30 Nichols 0.630 (17-10) 17-10
167 8.185 31 Husson 0.519 (14-13) 14-13
168 8.176 22 Pacific Lutheran 0.529 (9-8) 13-11
169 8.174 16 Mt. St. Vincent 0.565 (13-10) 15-10
170 8.154 21 Roanoke 0.577 (15-11) 16-11
171 8.125 21 Kenyon 0.542 (13-11) 14-13
172 8.087 22 Washington and Lee 0.565 (13-10) 16-11
173 8.087 22 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.522 (12-11) 12-12
174 8.048 24 North Park 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
175 8.045 17 Salisbury 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
176 8.045 18 Catholic 0.545 (12-10) 15-11
177 8.045 23 Emory 0.455 (10-12) 10-15
178 8.045 25 UW-La Crosse 0.455 (10-12) 13-13
179 8.038 32 Springfield 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
180 8.038 19 Richard Stockton 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
181 8.000 20 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
182 8.000 24 Rhodes 0.609 (14-9) 16-10
183 8.000 23 Defiance 0.524 (11-10) 14-11
184 7.962 25 Mississippi College 0.615 (16-10) 16-10
185 7.960 33 Worcester State 0.480 (12-13) 14-13
186 7.958 34 Bridgewater State 0.542 (13-11) 14-11
187 7.957 24 Otterbein 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
188 7.917 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
189 7.917 21 Frostburg State 0.625 (15-9) 17-9
190 7.917 19 Drew 0.500 (12-12) 13-13
191 7.875 25 Wooster 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
192 7.864 22 Notre Dame (Md.) 0.727 (16-6) 18-6
193 7.864 26 Olivet 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
194 7.857 26 Fontbonne 0.571 (12-9) 13-13
195 7.842 26 Agnes Scott 0.526 (10-9) 16-9
196 7.840 23 St. Catherine's 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
197 7.810 27 Greenville 0.614 (13-8) 17-8
198 7.792 20 Delaware Valley 0.458 (11-13) 11-13
199 7.762 35 Trinity (Conn.) 0.524 (11-10) 12-12
200 7.750 36 Middlebury 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 12:57:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: GAVA on February 25, 2007, 12:03:30 AM
Your apology is accepted in advance.
Did you delete a post that read, in part, "how many points are we going to lose today?" It was here a little bit ago but now is gone.
That was what I was referencing.
Nothing deleted. Post # 144. At that point I was wondering if having to play the # 5 and #6 seeds in the semis were also going to cost points. Ralph responded it wouldn't.I am going to overlook your's and Dmac's rudeness as you are both young enough to be my sons.
and post # 146.
Out of curiosity, does Baruch have any shot at all of earning an at-large?
Doesn't look that way, no.
So if the matchups are Central paired with the West, any thoughts on how the Pool C bids would shake out. If you figure 16 teams in the bracket for that side, then 11 are taken by automatics or Pool B bids:
Central
Wash U - UAA
Wheaton - CCIW
Maryville - SLIAC
Lake Forest - MWC
UW-Stout - WIAC
Concordia(Wis) - NATHC - Pool B
West
Luther - IIAC
St. Benedict - MIAC
George Fox - NWC
La Verne - SCIAC
Chapman - IND - Pool B
If you look at the remaining candidates ranked by QOWI you have:
Carroll - MWC - 10.440
Puget Sound - NWC - 10.333
UW-Whitewater - WIAC - 10.261
Ill Wesleyan - CCIW - 10.083
Simpson - IIAC - 10.045
Gustavus Adolphus - MIAC - 10.000
Chicago - UAA - 9.913
Do you think they would give them out in that order which would end up with 9 bids to the Central and 7 bids to the West. Or do you think they would pass up Ill Wesleyan in favor of a bid to Gustavus Adolphus? Just wondering what thoughts people might have.
With the NATHC getting a Pool B bid this season is it possible that Benedictine might get a pool B bid as well. That would mean another Central Region team. Granted they are supposed to select at-large teams without regard to region, but that may be an issue.
I think that Illinois Wesleyan deserves to get into the tournament.
Illinois Wesleyan has lost 4 of their last 6...I'm sorry they don't deserve it.
10.083 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.833 (20-4) 22-5
Their record is pretty good; they have the 7th best QoWI in the region. They beat DePauw and Wheaton (granted lost to them twice too.
Then again some bad things have been happening in tournament games today. Williams lost and Bowdoin is losing.
Bowdoin now up by 4...and Depauw up by 3...early in the second half.
If you look at the work that the region committee will do before the national call, they will probably rank Carroll first in the region among Pool Cs. Then the second spot has to be between UW-Whitewater and Illinois Wesleyan. Whitewater's QoWI is slightly better, but IWU has a better region record and they beat Wheaton once and Whitewater lost to them.
You have to remember that the QoWI isn't the end all statistic here....straight up wins and losses has to count for something and Whitewater has 7 losses which should put them on the bubble when it comes to a Pool C bid.
Right. Actually, I am trying to argue that Illinois Wesleyan would be the second team (as opposed to Whitewater) that is brought up by the Central Region chair. That should give them a decent shot at making the tourney. Granted then they have to match up nationally against other teams. The won-loss record for IWU is pretty good, and there isn't a criteria for record in last six games, but for the whole season. I haven't looked at the national information yet, but I think they have a shot.
Quote from: gacbacker on February 25, 2007, 02:13:09 PM
Whitewater has 7 losses which should put them on the bubble when it comes to a Pool C bid.
Yes, they do have 7 losses, but only 6 in-region.
DePauw and Bowdowin both opening up leads of 9 or better in the latter stages of their games....good news for bubble teams.
Quote from: skafkas on February 25, 2007, 01:21:55 PM
With the NATHC getting a Pool B bid this season is it possible that Benedictine might get a pool B bid as well. That would mean another Central Region team. Granted they are supposed to select at-large teams without regard to region, but that may be an issue.
I think that Illinois Wesleyan deserves to get into the tournament.
I ran the QOWI for Pool B's and it appears they are #5 and quite a bit behind #4 Westminster PA.
The QOWI suggests that Concordia WI, Chapman, Thomas More and Westminster PA are the leaders.
Here are the teams with QoWI over 10 who don't have a Pool A bid.
Overall QOWI Rk in reg Team Region Win% Overall
5 11.320 1 New York University 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
9 11.000 3 Rochester 0.800 (20-5) 20-5
13 10.773 5 Williams 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
14 10.773 2 Lake Forest 0.955 (21-1) 23-2
18 10.667 4 St. Lawrence 0.917 (22-2) 24-3
19 10.654 6 Maine Maritime 0.885 (23-3) 25-3
23 10.577 1 Howard Payne 0.962 (25-1) 26-1
26 10.550 4 Calvin 0.950 (19-1) 25-2
28 10.478 8 Brandeis 0.783 (18-5) 19-5
29 10.462 9 Norwich 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
31 10.440 5 Carroll 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
32 10.423 2 McMurry 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
36 10.333 3 Puget Sound 0.810 (17-4) 21-6
38 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
39 10.160 10 Salve Regina 0.840 (21-4) 22-6
41 10.125 3 Oglethorpe 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
42 10.125 7 Transylvania 0.750 (18-6) 19-8
43 10.120 4 William Paterson 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
45 10.083 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.833 (20-4) 22-5
46 10.045 6 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
47 10.042 11 Tufts 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
48 10.040 5 Dickinson 0.840 (21-4) 22-4
49 10.038 12 Keene State 0.769 (20-6) 21-6
50 10.000 6 Oswego State 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
51 10.000 4 Randolph-Macon 0.880 (22-3) 23-4
52 10.000 7 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-5
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: skafkas on February 25, 2007, 01:21:55 PM
With the NATHC getting a Pool B bid this season is it possible that Benedictine might get a pool B bid as well. That would mean another Central Region team. Granted they are supposed to select at-large teams without regard to region, but that may be an issue.
I think that Illinois Wesleyan deserves to get into the tournament.
I ran the QOWI for Pool B's and it appears they are #5 and quite a bit behind #4 Westminster PA.
The QOWI suggests that Concordia WI, Chapman, Thomas More and Westminster PA are the leaders.
Good. Thanks for the info Ralph
Quote from: skafkas on February 25, 2007, 02:45:20 PM
Here are the teams with QoWI over 10 who don't have a Pool A bid.
Overall QOWI Rk in reg Team Region Win% Overall
5 11.320 1 New York University 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
9 11.000 3 Rochester 0.800 (20-5) 20-5
13 10.773 5 Williams 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
14 10.773 2 Lake Forest 0.955 (21-1) 23-2
18 10.667 4 St. Lawrence 0.917 (22-2) 24-3
19 10.654 6 Maine Maritime 0.885 (23-3) 25-3
23 10.577 1 Howard Payne 0.962 (25-1) 26-1
26 10.550 4 Calvin 0.950 (19-1) 25-2
28 10.478 8 Brandeis 0.783 (18-5) 19-5
29 10.462 9 Norwich 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
31 10.440 5 Carroll 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
32 10.423 2 McMurry 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
36 10.333 3 Puget Sound 0.810 (17-4) 21-6
38 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
39 10.160 10 Salve Regina 0.840 (21-4) 22-6
41 10.125 3 Oglethorpe 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
42 10.125 7 Transylvania 0.750 (18-6) 19-8
43 10.120 4 William Paterson 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
45 10.083 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.833 (20-4) 22-5
46 10.045 6 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
47 10.042 11 Tufts 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
48 10.040 5 Dickinson 0.840 (21-4) 22-4
49 10.038 12 Keene State 0.769 (20-6) 21-6
50 10.000 6 Oswego State 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
51 10.000 4 Randolph-Macon 0.880 (22-3) 23-4
52 10.000 7 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-5
Oglethorpe and Tufts will fall from their current spots after losses today. Oglethorpe might still have an outside shot at a Pool C, but Tufts with 8 losses is probably out.
Quote from: skafkas on February 25, 2007, 02:45:20 PM
Here are the teams with QoWI over 10 who don't have a Pool A bid.
Overall QOWI Rk in reg Team Region Win% Overall
5 11.320 1 New York University 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
9 11.000 3 Rochester 0.800 (20-5) 20-5
13 10.773 5 Williams 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
14 10.773 2 Lake Forest 0.955 (21-1) 23-2 Won MWC Tourney.
18 10.667 4 St. Lawrence 0.917 (22-2) 24-3 Won LL Tourney
19 10.654 6 Maine Maritime 0.885 (23-3) 25-3
23 10.577 1 Howard Payne 0.962 (25-1) 26-1 Won ASC Tourney
26 10.550 4 Calvin 0.950 (19-1) 25-2
28 10.478 8 Brandeis 0.783 (18-5) 19-5
29 10.462 9 Norwich 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
31 10.440 5 Carroll 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
32 10.423 2 McMurry 0.885 (23-3) 24-3 Plays at HPU at 2 pm CST
36 10.333 3 Puget Sound 0.810 (17-4) 21-6
38 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
39 10.160 10 Salve Regina 0.840 (21-4) 22-6
41 10.125 3 Oglethorpe 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
42 10.125 7 Transylvania 0.750 (18-6) 19-8
43 10.120 4 William Paterson 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
45 10.083 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.833 (20-4) 22-5
46 10.045 6 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
47 10.042 11 Tufts 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
48 10.040 5 Dickinson 0.840 (21-4) 22-4
49 10.038 12 Keene State 0.769 (20-6) 21-6
50 10.000 6 Oswego State 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
51 10.000 4 Randolph-Macon 0.880 (22-3) 23-4 Plays VWC today at 3:30 pm EST.
52 10.000 7 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-5
Oops, and Howard Payne or McMurry will be out of the list once the ASC final is over.
As far as the projections go...better ADD Ursinus as they defeated Dickinson & more than likely there will be no pool C for Dickinson. Also, in your list of teams in the Mid-Atlantic are you implying that Rochester with 5 losses will be ranked higher than Scranton & possibly host? I don't see that happening especially if they can't even stay in their own region. If the teams you've picked all end up in this region I see Messiah hosting one half with them playing Keuka & McDaniel going there & playing Gwynned Mercy. I also think Scranton has done everything they can & have earned the right to host & in their side of things I see them opening up with Hamilton & Rochester playing Ursinus.
1 12.400 1 Bowdoin 0.960 (24-1) 26-1
2 11.731 1 Messiah 0.962 (25-1) 25-2
3 11.500 2 Emmanuel 0.962 (25-1) 27-1
4 11.462 2 Scranton 0.923 (24-2) 25-2
5 11.320 1 New York University 0.920 (23-2) 23-2
6 11.259 3 Southern Maine 0.926 (25-2) 25-2
7 11.192 2 Cortland State 0.923 (24-2) 25-2
8 11.037 4 Fitchburg State 0.926 (25-2) 25-2
9 11.000 3 Rochester 0.800 (20-5) 20-5
10 10.962 1 UW-Stout 0.846 (22-4) 23-5
11 10.905 1 DePauw 0.857 (18-3) 25-3
12 10.852 3 Gwynedd-Mercy 0.926 (25-2) 25-2
13 10.815 1 Mary Washington 0.926 (25-2) 26-2
14 10.773 2 Lake Forest 0.955 (21-1) 23-2
15 10.773 5 Williams 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
16 10.769 2 Kean 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
17 10.750 1 Luther 0.900 (18-2) 22-4
18 10.704 1 Howard Payne 0.963 (26-1) 27-1
19 10.667 4 St. Lawrence 0.917 (22-2) 24-3
20 10.654 6 Maine Maritime 0.885 (23-3) 25-3
21 10.643 3 Mount St. Mary 0.857 (24-4) 24-4
22 10.615 2 Wilmington 0.846 (22-4) 24-4
23 10.607 7 Maine-Farmington 0.893 (25-3) 25-3
24 10.571 3 Washington U. 0.810 (17-4) 20-5
25 10.560 3 Denison 0.880 (22-3) 24-4
26 10.550 4 Calvin 0.950 (19-1) 25-2
27 10.500 4 Concordia (Wis.) 0.909 (20-2) 23-3
28 10.500 4 McDaniel 0.885 (23-3) 23-3
29 10.478 8 Brandeis 0.783 (18-5) 19-5
30 10.462 9 Norwich 0.885 (23-3) 24-3
31 10.458 5 Manchester 0.833 (20-4) 21-6
32 10.440 5 Carroll 0.840 (21-4) 21-4
33 10.360 2 St. Benedict 0.875 (21-3) 22-5
34 10.348 6 Hope 0.870 (20-3) 24-3
35 10.333 3 Puget Sound 0.810 (17-4) 21-6
36 10.296 2 McMurry 0.852 (23-4) 24-4
37 10.278 4 George Fox 0.763 (14-4) 18-6
38 10.261 6 UW-Whitewater 0.739 (17-6) 19-7
39 10.192 3 Randolph-Macon 0.885 (23-3) 24-4
40 10.160 10 Salve Regina 0.840 (21-4) 22-6
41 10.136 5 Chapman 0.773 (17-5) 22-5
42 10.125 7 Transylvania 0.750 (18-6) 19-8
43 10.120 4 William Paterson 0.840 (21-4) 22-5
44 10.087 5 Medaille 0.913 (21-2) 23-4
45 10.083 7 Illinois Wesleyan 0.833 (20-4) 22-5
46 10.077 5 Dickinson 0.808 (21-5) 22-5
47 10.045 6 Simpson 0.773 (17-5) 21-6
48 10.038 11 Keene State 0.769 (20-6) 21-6
49 10.000 7 Gustavus Adolphus 0.846 (22-4) 22-5
50 10.000 4 Oglethorpe 0.800 (20-5) 21-7
51 10.000 6 Oswego State 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
52 9.920 12 Tufts 0.680 (17-8) 18-8
53 9.913 8 Chicago 0.696 (16-7) 18-7
54 9.864 9 Maryville (Mo.) 0.864 (19-3) 22-5
55 9.815 8 Capital 0.741 (20-7) 20-7
56 9.808 6 Albright 0.654 (17-9) 17-9
57 9.773 10 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.727 (16-6) 19-7
58 9.760 7 Brockport State 0.720 (18-7) 20-7
59 9.741 13 Colby-Sawyer 0.815 (22-5) 22-5
60 9.739 9 Thomas More 0.826 (19-4) 22-4
61 9.727 11 Millikin 0.773 (17-5) 20-6
62 9.727 5 East Texas Baptist 0.818 (18-4) 22-5
63 9.720 6 Hardin-Simmons 0.800 (20-5) 21-5
64 9.680 7 Virginia Wesleyan 0.760 (19-6) 21-7
65 9.652 12 UW-Eau Claire 0.696 (16-7) 19-9
66 9.640 7 Muhlenberg 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
67 9.615 8 Ferrum 0.769 (20-6) 21-7
68 9.609 9 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.826 (19-4) 23-5
69 9.609 8 Hamilton 0.696 (16-7) 19-7
70 9.583 10 Westminster (Pa.) 0.750 (18-6) 22-6
71 9.542 13 UW-Stevens Point 0.708 (17-7) 18-7
72 9.500 11 Rose-Hulman 0.773 (17-5) 21-5
73 9.500 14 Bates 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
74 9.480 5 Baruch 0.720 (18-7) 20-8
75 9.407 6 Stevens 0.778 (21-6) 21-6
76 9.385 8 King's 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
77 9.385 15 Mount Holyoke 0.731 (19-7) 21-7
78 9.348 10 Piedmont 0.739 (17-6) 18-7
79 9.321 9 Ursinus 0.679 (19-9) 19-9
80 9.320 12 Baldwin-Wallace 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
81 9.320 16 Eastern Connecticut 0.640 (16-9) 16-11
82 9.318 9 RPI 0.636 (14-8) 15-10
83 9.304 10 Keuka 0.727 (16-6) 18-7
84 9.250 8 La Verne 0.750 (15-5) 19-6
85 9.240 17 Suffolk 0.720 (18-7) 18-9
86 9.231 11 Ithaca 0.615 (16-10) 16-11
87 9.222 14 Benedictine 0.704 (19-8) 20-8
88 9.222 7 York (Pa.) 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
89 9.200 8 SUNY-Farmingdale 0.720 (18-7) 19-7
90 9.192 13 Penn State-Behrend 0.808 (21-5) 21-5
91 9.192 14 Allegheny 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
92 9.185 18 Endicott 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
93 9.167 11 Christopher Newport 0.708 (17-7) 20-8
94 9.160 15 Ohio Northern 0.640 (16-9) 17-10
95 9.148 9 Carleton 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
96 9.143 12 Elmira 0.714 (15-6) 21-6
97 9.130 12 Trinity (Texas) 0.652 (15-8) 17-8
98 9.120 9 Lehman 0.680 (17-8) 19-9
99 9.115 10 Moravian 0.577 (15-11) 16-11
100 9.091 10 Minnesota-Morris 0.833 (10-2) 15-12
101 9.091 15 Carthage 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
102 9.074 19 Worcester Polytech 0.741 (20-7) 20-7
103 9.000 11 Redlands 0.684 (13-6) 16-8
104 9.000 12 Loras 0.667 (16-8) 17-10
105 9.000 16 St. Norbert 0.667 (16-8) 16-8
106 9.000 13 William Smith 0.583 (14-10) 14-11
107 8.960 13 Shenandoah 0.640 (16-9) 17-9
108 8.957 16 Washington and Jefferson 0.652 (15-8) 19-8
109 8.917 13 Concordia-Moorhead 0.667 (16-8) 18-9
110 8.889 11 Cabrini 0.704 (19-8) 19-8
111 8.857 20 Wesleyan 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
112 8.850 12 Johns Hopkins 0.700 (14-6) 14-9
113 8.833 14 Bridgewater (Va.) 0.667 (16-8) 17-9
114 8.833 17 Wittenberg 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
115 8.826 15 Eastern Mennonite 0.696 (16-7) 17-8
116 8.786 10 Marymount 0.643 (18-10) 18-10
117 8.769 21 Wheaton (Mass.) 0.615 (16-10) 17-10
118 8.760 14 Utica 0.680 (17-8) 18-8
119 8.737 14 Lewis and Clark 0.632 (12-7) 16-9
120 8.708 15 Geneseo State 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
121 8.667 17 UW-River Falls 0.583 (14-10) 16-11
122 8.667 11 Rutgers-Newark 0.667 (16-8) 16-10
123 8.652 13 Juniata 0.609 (14-9) 15-10
124 8.640 16 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
125 8.640 12 Villa Julie 0.708 (17-7) 19-9
126 8.640 22 Rhode Island College 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
127 8.636 15 Buena Vista 0.636 (14-8) 17-10
128 8.636 23 Mass-Boston 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
129 8.615 24 Castleton State 0.692 (18-8) 19-8
130 8.609 17 Greensboro 0.696 (16-7) 18-9
131 8.607 25 Salem State 0.607 (17-11) 17-11
132 8.591 18 Hendrix 0.727 (16-6) 19-7
133 8.583 16 Union 0.542 (13-11) 13-12
134 8.560 17 New Paltz State 0.680 (17-8) 17-10
135 8.550 16 Linfield 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
136 8.550 19 Texas-Tyler 0.700 (14-6) 17-8
137 8.542 18 Rochester Tech 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
138 8.520 18 Aurora 0.680 (17-8) 17-9
139 8.500 13 Montclair State 0.583 (14-10) 15-10
140 8.481 26 Western New England 0.556 (15-12) 15-12
141 8.478 14 Susquehanna 0.522 (12-11) 15-11
142 8.476 18 Anderson 0.571 (12-9) 16-10
143 8.462 19 Edgewood 0.577 (15-11) 15-12
144 8.462 15 Gettysburg 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
145 8.458 16 DeSales 0.583 (14-10) 16-10
146 8.440 20 Austin 0.600 (15-10) 15-10
147 8.440 14 John Jay 0.640 (16-9) 18-9
148 8.440 27 Emerson 0.640 (16-9) 16-10
149 8.423 17 St. Thomas 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
150 8.400 18 Whitworth 0.550 (11-9) 14-11
151 8.368 19 Whitman 0.526 (10-9) 12-13
152 8.364 20 Lawrence 0.545 (12-10) 13-11
153 8.333 20 Occidental 0.611 (11-7) 16-9
154 8.333 17 Neumann 0.667 (18-9) 18-9
155 8.333 18 Alvernia 0.593 (16-11) 16-11
156 8.333 15 New Jersey 0.481 (13-14) 13-14
157 8.320 19 Mount Union 0.520 (13-12) 14-13
158 8.316 21 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 0.579 (11-8) 15-10
159 8.304 20 Albion 0.565 (13-10) 15-11
160 8.304 19 Oneonta State 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
161 8.280 21 Wisconsin Lutheran 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
162 8.269 28 Western Connecticut 0.538 (14-12) 15-12
163 8.261 29 Amherst 0.522 (12-11) 12-13
164 8.222 22 Principia 0.667 (12-6) 19-7
165 8.192 23 Lakeland 0.577 (15-11) 15-11
166 8.185 30 Nichols 0.630 (17-10) 17-10
167 8.185 31 Husson 0.519 (14-13) 14-13
168 8.176 22 Pacific Lutheran 0.529 (9-8) 13-11
169 8.174 16 Mt. St. Vincent 0.565 (13-10) 15-10
170 8.154 21 Roanoke 0.577 (15-11) 16-11
171 8.125 21 Kenyon 0.542 (13-11) 14-13
172 8.087 22 Washington and Lee 0.565 (13-10) 16-11
173 8.087 22 St. Mary's (Ind.) 0.522 (12-11) 12-12
174 8.048 24 North Park 0.571 (12-9) 15-9
175 8.045 25 UW-La Crosse 0.455 (10-12) 13-13
176 8.045 23 Emory 0.455 (10-12) 10-15
177 8.045 17 Salisbury 0.591 (13-9) 15-11
178 8.045 18 Catholic 0.545 (12-10) 15-11
179 8.038 19 Richard Stockton 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
180 8.038 32 Springfield 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
181 8.000 24 Rhodes 0.609 (14-9) 16-10
182 8.000 23 Defiance 0.524 (11-10) 14-11
183 8.000 20 St. Mary's (Md.) 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
184 7.962 25 Mississippi College 0.615 (16-10) 16-10
185 7.960 33 Worcester State 0.480 (12-13) 14-13
186 7.958 34 Bridgewater State 0.542 (13-11) 14-11
187 7.957 24 Otterbein 0.522 (12-11) 14-12
188 7.917 19 Drew 0.500 (12-12) 13-13
189 7.917 21 Frostburg State 0.625 (15-9) 17-9
190 7.917 20 St. John Fisher 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
191 7.875 25 Wooster 0.542 (13-11) 14-12
192 7.875 20 Delaware Valley 0.458 (11-13) 11-13
193 7.864 26 Olivet 0.545 (12-10) 12-12
194 7.864 22 Notre Dame (Md.) 0.727 (16-6) 18-6
195 7.857 26 Fontbonne 0.571 (12-9) 13-13
196 7.842 26 Agnes Scott 0.526 (10-9) 16-9
197 7.840 23 St. Catherine's 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
198 7.810 27 Greenville 0.614 (13-8) 17-8
199 7.762 35 Trinity (Conn.) 0.524 (11-10) 12-12
200 7.750 36 Middlebury 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
201 7.739 21 Immaculata 0.609 (14-9) 14-11
202 7.731 37 Babson 0.500 (13-13) 13-14
203 7.700 27 Franklin 0.550 (11-9) 13-11
204 7.680 28 UW-Platteville 0.400 (10-15) 11-16
205 7.667 22 Lincoln 0.722 (13-5) 19-8
206 7.667 23 Elizabethtown 0.524 (11-10) 13-11
207 7.640 38 Clark 0.480 (12-13) 12-13
208 7.625 28 Ohio Wesleyan 0.500 (12-12) 14-12
209 7.615 29 Pitt-Greensburg 0.538 (14-12) 14-12
210 7.591 29 Marian 0.500 (11-11) 14-12
211 7.583 24 Wartburg 0.500 (12-12) 13-13
212 7.565 27 Methodist 0.478 (11-12) 13-13
213 7.542 25 Bethel 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
214 7.520 28 Southwestern 0.480 (12-13) 13-13
215 7.500 21 D'Youville 0.545 (12-10) 15-10
216 7.500 39 Becker 0.583 (14-10) 15-11
217 7.478 40 Wentworth Tech 0.522 (12-11) 12-13
218 7.471 30 Northland 0.588 (10-7) 14-11
219 7.458 41 Thomas 0.500 (12-12) 14-12
220 7.455 22 Hartwick 0.409 (9-13) 9-14
221 7.423 42 Curry 0.462 (12-14) 12-14
222 7.400 26 Colorado College 0.467 (7-8) 10-14
223 7.391 24 Misericordia 0.565 (13-10) 14-11
224 7.385 43 University of New England 0.462 (12-14) 12-14
225 7.381 31 Beloit 0.476 (10-11) 11-12
226 7.346 23 Hunter 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
227 7.333 27 Hamline 0.500 (12-12) 13-12
228 7.333 28 Cal Lutheran 0.389 (7-11) 11-13
229 7.280 44 Coast Guard 0.480 (12-13) 13-13
230 7.261 29 LaGrange 0.565 (13-10) 15-12
231 7.250 25 Washington College 0.458 (11-13) 12-13
232 7.250 45 Roger Williams 0.500 (12-12) 12-14
233 7.217 23 Fredonia State 0.391 (9-14) 10-14
234 7.154 46 Lasell 0.500 (13-13) 13-13
235 7.120 24 Skidmore 0.480 (12-13) 12-13
236 7.115 25 Potsdam State 0.423 (11-15) 11-15
237 7.059 26 Philadelphia Bible 0.500 (8-8) 16-10
238 7.045 29 Coe 0.364 (8-14) 8-18
239 7.045 30 Heidelberg 0.409 (9-13) 12-13
240 7.045 31 John Carroll 0.364 (8-14) 10-16
241 7.042 32 Case Western Reserve 0.333 (8-16) 9-16
242 7.000 32 Ripon 0.409 (9-13) 9-14
243 6.960 47 Mount Ida 0.400 (10-15) 10-15
244 6.958 33 UW-Oshkosh 0.340 (8-16) 8-16
245 6.957 24 Kings Point 0.435 (10-13) 10-16
246 6.920 27 FDU-Florham 0.400 (10-15) 10-15
247 6.917 34 Concordia (Ill.) 0.417 (10-14) 11-14
248 6.917 25 SUNY-Old Westbury 0.458 (11-13) 13-13
249 6.913 26 Centenary 0.435 (10-13) 12-13
250 6.880 33 Pitt-Bradford 0.400 (10-15) 10-16
251 6.875 30 Texas-Dallas 0.417 (10-14) 10-14
252 6.870 48 Johnson State 0.435 (10-13) 13-13
253 6.840 31 Guilford 0.360 (9-16) 10-16
254 6.810 35 Monmouth 0.476 (10-11) 11-12
255 6.789 36 Illinois College 0.421 (8-11) 8-15
256 6.769 30 St. Scholastica 0.462 (6-7) 10-15
257 6.762 49 Colby 0.238 (5-16) 6-17
258 6.750 34 Finlandia 0.333 (4-8) 8-17
259 6.750 35 Muskingum 0.292 (7-17) 8-18
260 6.750 28 Widener 0.333 (8-16) 9-16
261 6.720 50 New England College 0.480 (12-13) 12-13
262 6.688 27 St. Elizabeth 0.500 (8-8) 11-10
263 6.684 37 Milwaukee Engineering 0.375 (7-12) 8-14
264 6.682 32 Sewanee 0.318 (7-15) 9-16
265 6.680 51 Rivier 0.560 (14-11) 15-11
266 6.667 38 UW-Superior 0.292 (7-17) 8-17
267 6.667 28 Staten Island 0.417 (10-14) 12-15
268 6.654 36 Lake Erie 0.423 (11-15) 11-15
269 6.654 52 Westfield State 0.385 (10-16) 10-16
270 6.583 26 Nazareth 0.292 (7-17) 7-18
271 6.565 53 Connecticut College 0.391 (9-14) 10-14
272 6.542 33 Mary Baldwin 0.458 (11-13) 12-14
273 6.542 27 Clarkson 0.333 (8-16) 8-17
274 6.526 31 Central 0.263 (5-14) 6-18
275 6.524 34 Concordia-Austin 0.381 (8-13) 8-16
276 6.500 37 Bethany 0.333 (8-16) 9-18
277 6.471 29 Trinity (D.C.) 0.471 (8-9) 10-13
278 6.455 38 Thiel 0.364 (8-14) 8-17
279 6.435 39 Carnegie Mellon 0.261 (6-17) 8-17
280 6.429 40 Alma 0.381 (8-13) 10-14
281 6.400 30 New Jersey City 0.300 (6-14) 10-15
282 6.400 54 Plymouth State 0.240 (6-19) 6-19
283 6.391 29 Penn State-Berks 0.304 (7-16) 9-17
284 6.389 32 Whittier 0.389 (7-11) 12-13
285 6.364 41 Waynesburg 0.364 (8-14) 9-16
286 6.333 39 Grinnell 0.381 (8-13) 9-14
287 6.333 40 Rockford 0.292 (7-17) 8-17
288 6.333 30 Lebanon Valley 0.292 (7-17) 7-17
289 6.333 31 Manhattanville 0.250 (6-18) 7-19
290 6.320 35 University of the Ozarks 0.320 (8-17) 9-17
291 6.318 36 Lynchburg 0.318 (7-15) 7-19
292 6.304 42 Adrian 0.304 (7-16) 9-16
293 6.286 43 Mount Aloysius 0.381 (8-13) 12-13
294 6.263 37 Centre 0.158 (3-16) 6-16
295 6.250 33 UC Santa Cruz 0.250 (3-9) 9-17
296 6.240 34 Dubuque 0.360 (9-16) 9-16
297 6.238 32 New York City Tech 0.429 (9-12) 11-14
298 6.238 28 Cazenovia 0.350 (7-13) 9-17
299 6.217 55 Johnson and Wales 0.348 (8-15) 9-16
300 6.211 41 North Central 0.211 (4-15) 5-20
301 6.190 38 University of Dallas 0.381 (8-13) 12-15
302 6.190 29 SUNYIT 0.286 (6-15) 8-17
303 6.182 30 Buffalo State 0.273 (6-16) 7-18
304 6.167 33 Rutgers-Camden 0.292 (7-17) 8-17
305 6.136 34 Medgar Evers 0.455 (10-12) 11-15
306 6.125 39 Spelman 0.313 (5-11) 9-13
307 6.125 31 Arcadia 0.333 (8-16) 9-16
308 6.095 42 Eureka 0.432 (9-12) 11-13
309 6.095 32 Keystone 0.250 (5-15) 8-17
310 6.080 35 Rowan 0.360 (9-16) 9-16
311 6.048 35 Cornell 0.333 (7-14) 8-17
312 6.045 56 Simmons 0.364 (8-14) 9-15
313 6.000 57 Elms 0.292 (7-17) 7-18
314 5.958 33 Franklin and Marshall 0.250 (6-18) 6-19
315 5.955 40 Averett 0.227 (5-17) 5-19
316 5.955 44 Mt. St. Joseph 0.227 (5-17) 7-17
317 5.955 34 Marywood 0.364 (8-14) 10-15
318 5.952 35 Bryn Mawr 0.190 (4-17) 6-19
319 5.913 36 St. Olaf 0.261 (6-17) 6-19
320 5.909 45 Tri-State 0.227 (5-17) 5-19
321 5.895 36 Haverford 0.263 (5-14) 6-18
322 5.889 41 Peace 0.278 (5-13) 9-17
323 5.870 42 Louisiana College 0.304 (7-16) 8-16
324 5.810 58 St. Joseph (Conn.) 0.333 (7-14) 7-18
325 5.800 37 St. Mary's (Minn.) 0.280 (7-18) 7-18
326 5.760 38 Macalester 0.280 (7-18) 7-18
327 5.750 37 Wesley 0.250 (6-18) 7-18
328 5.739 38 Lycoming 0.261 (6-17) 8-17
329 5.700 46 Grove City 0.200 (4-16) 5-20
330 5.667 39 Willamette 0.167 (3-15) 5-20
331 5.667 47 Oberlin 0.238 (5-16) 7-19
332 5.652 43 Schreiner 0.261 (6-17) 6-19
333 5.650 43 Webster 0.250 (5-15) 6-19
334 5.636 36 Brooklyn 0.318 (7-15) 9-16
335 5.600 44 Huntingdon 0.250 (5-15) 8-18
336 5.600 31 Vassar 0.150 (3-17) 6-18
337 5.583 59 Massachusetts College 0.391 (9-14) 10-16
338 5.583 60 Framingham State 0.292 (7-17) 7-17
339 5.522 39 Wilkes 0.174 (4-19) 6-19
340 5.500 40 Pacific 0.125 (2-14) 8-17
341 5.500 41 Nebraska Wesleyan 0.000 (0-6) 4-22
342 5.476 40 Rosemont 0.238 (5-16) 8-16
343 5.455 44 Elmhurst 0.182 (4-18) 6-19
344 5.429 37 Goucher 0.143 (3-18) 4-20
345 5.400 61 Anna Maria 0.280 (7-18) 7-18
346 5.381 45 Emory and Henry 0.190 (4-17) 8-17
347 5.318 32 Plattsburgh State 0.182 (4-18) 6-19
348 5.300 62 Daniel Webster 0.300 (6-14) 8-15
349 5.286 38 Ramapo 0.143 (3-18) 6-19
350 5.227 46 Sul Ross State 0.227 (5-17) 6-18
351 5.200 39 Hood 0.250 (5-15) 5-18
352 5.200 63 St. Joseph's (Maine) 0.333 (5-10) 10-15
353 5.182 48 Bluffton 0.227 (5-17) 6-19
354 5.182 33 Polytechnic 0.227 (5-17) 6-19
355 5.158 45 Maranatha Baptist 0.158 (3-16) 8-17
356 5.150 49 Hiram 0.200 (4-16) 6-19
357 5.080 64 Mass-Dartmouth 0.160 (4-21) 5-21
358 5.045 34 Alfred 0.091 (2-20) 4-21
359 5.042 65 Lesley 0.250 (6-18) 7-18
360 5.000 46 Clarke 0.342 (6-12) 7-16
361 5.000 47 Westminster (Mo.) 0.250 (4-12) 8-17
362 5.000 66 Green Mountain 0.250 (3-9) 9-16
363 5.000 67 MIT 0.174 (4-19) 4-20
364 4.957 48 Augustana 0.130 (3-20) 4-21
365 4.895 42 Pomona-Pitzer 0.105 (2-17) 5-20
366 4.880 68 Regis (Mass.) 0.200 (5-20) 5-20
367 4.880 69 Gordon 0.200 (5-20) 5-20
368 4.875 50 Earlham 0.125 (3-21) 4-22
369 4.826 51 Penn State-Altoona 0.217 (5-18) 6-19
370 4.800 41 Swarthmore 0.100 (2-18) 4-20
371 4.800 70 Wellesley 0.100 (2-18) 4-19
372 4.765 43 Caltech 0.118 (2-15) 3-22
373 4.750 44 Martin Luther 0.167 (2-10) 4-21
374 4.720 52 La Roche 0.200 (5-20) 5-20
375 4.714 47 Rust 0.143 (2-12) 2-12
376 4.696 40 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 0.087 (2-21) 2-23
377 4.647 48 North Carolina Wesleyan 0.118 (2-15) 4-21
378 4.600 71 Pine Manor 0.200 (5-20) 5-20
379 4.591 49 Millsaps 0.136 (3-19) 3-20
380 4.591 53 Kalamazoo 0.136 (3-19) 3-22
381 4.500 54 Chatham 0.250 (5-15) 8-19
382 4.478 49 MacMurray 0.174 (4-19) 6-19
383 4.455 41 Gallaudet 0.091 (2-20) 3-22
384 4.429 72 Albertus Magnus 0.190 (4-17) 5-17
385 4.412 55 Hanover 0.059 (1-16) 3-21
386 4.381 50 Randolph-Macon Woman's 0.095 (2-19) 2-22
387 4.364 50 Dominican 0.091 (2-20) 3-22
388 4.364 73 Smith 0.091 (2-20) 3-22
389 4.333 74 Southern Vermont 0.222 (4-14) 4-19
390 4.261 42 Eastern 0.130 (3-20) 3-22
391 4.238 51 Blackburn 0.095 (2-19) 3-22
392 4.217 45 Augsburg 0.043 (1-22) 1-24
393 4.190 51 Hollins 0.048 (1-20) 1-23
394 4.143 56 Marietta 0.000 (0-21) 2-23
395 4.133 52 Wesleyan (Ga.) 0.067 (1-14) 1-22
396 4.091 53 Texas Lutheran 0.045 (1-21) 1-24
397 4.045 52 Knox 0.091 (2-20) 2-21
398 4.043 53 Alverno 0.043 (1-22) 2-23
399 4.000 42 York (N.Y.) 0.091 (2-20) 3-21
400 4.000 75 Eastern Nazarene 0.160 (4-21) 4-21
401 3.917 76 Bay Path 0.083 (2-22) 2-22
402 3.900 54 LeTourneau 0.050 (1-19) 4-21
403 3.857 55 Meredith 0.143 (2-12) 4-19
404 3.826 35 Hilbert 0.087 (2-21) 2-22
405 3.760 77 Wheelock 0.040 (1-24) 1-24
406 3.700 46 Crown 0.000 (0-10) 4-20
407 3.643 36 New Rochelle 0.214 (3-11) 6-14
408 3.563 37 Russell Sage 0.063 (1-15) 1-18
409 3.545 43 CCNY 0.000 (0-22) 0-24
410 3.538 56 Fisk 0.077 (1-12) 1-16
411 3.389 43 Cedar Crest 0.000 (0-18) 1-19
412 3.250 38 Bard 0.050 (1-19) 2-20
413 2.917 78 Newbury 0.000 (0-24) 0-25
414 2.714 44 Wilson 0.000 (0-14) 3-21
415 2.000 45 SUNY-Maritime 0.000 (0-2) 0-7
2007-08 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2008/2008_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf)
Pool A = 39
Pool B = 3
Pool C = 21
Total Bids = 63.
Women's Pool C Bid Picture by conference (through Feb 10).
Records in parenthesis are in-region records. For most conferences, I listed teams that have no more than 4 in-region losses. Some of the top conferences, I listed teams with 5 in-region losses. A point to remember is that a lot of these teams will probably obtain a pool A bid. Pool B conferences have a "B" listed beside the conference abbreviation. Corrections are welcome.
West
MIAC-St. Bens (16-4)
IIAC- Simpson (15-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Redlands (12-4), Occidental (11-3)
NWC- George Fox (12-1), Puget Sound (13-1)
Indep- Chapman (15-3) Pool B
Central
NATHC (B)- none Concordia WI (15-4)
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (17-2), Carthage (14-4)
MWC- St. Norbert (16-2), Carroll (16-3), Lake Forest (16-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (13-3)
UAA- Rochester (15-3), Wash U (12-3), Brandeis (15-4), Chicago (13-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-3), UWW (18-1), Stevens Point (16-4), Stout (12-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (19-0), Albion (12-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (14-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (19-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (18-0), Wash & Jeff (13-3)
AMCC- Medaille (17-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (14-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (17-3), Trinity (14-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (14-3),
ODAC- Randolph Macon (15-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (19-0), McMurry (18-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (16-2), Albright (15-3), Lebanon Valley (17-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (14-3)
MACF- DeSales (19-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (15-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (19-2),Farmingdale State (15-4), Mount St Vincent (16-4)
CAC- Mary Washington (19-0), Marymount (18-2)
NJAC- Kean (20-1), New Jersey (15-5), William Patterson (16-5), Rutgers-Newark (16-5)
East
E8- Stevens (17-3)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (17-3), Oneonta State (13-4), Cortland State (12-4)
LL- William Smith (16-1), St. Lawrence (13-4)
AMCC- Medaille (17-2), Lake Erie (12-4)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-3), Amherst (20-2), Tufts (19-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (14-3)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (19-2), Western Conn (15-3), Eastern Conn (17-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (16-2), Salem State (16-2)
Thanks for the list. For completeness sake and for the fans who are going thru the playoffs for the first time, the leftover Pool B teams will be considered in Pool C. There are three Pool B bids given. I added Chapman from the West Region. They are a strong Pool B candidate. I also considered Concordia WI which is 15-4 and may add 3 more wins. They must be considered, but are probably on the Pool B bubble and will be considered in the Pool C bids. -- Ralph Turner
Kenyon is in the NCAC, not the HCAC.
Quote from: David Collinge on February 11, 2008, 10:11:39 PM
Kenyon is in the NCAC, not the HCAC.
Corrected above, thank you!
The UAA is also not a Central Region Conference. Wash U and Chicago are Central Region, while Rochester and Brandeis are not. I believe they're East and Northeast, but I'm not sure.
Alright, first run of these for the season for us:
http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/08/owp.htm
OWP and OOWP for all teams through Sunday's games. Subject to entry errors, of course, although I have gone through all of the schedules at least once.
Any thoughts on New Paltz in the SUNYAC? They are tied for second in the conference. They just beat Cortland on Friday and then Cortland beat Oneonta on Saturday. They play Baruch tonight, should be a good indicator.
Quote from: jagluski on February 11, 2008, 11:20:06 PM
The UAA is also not a Central Region Conference. Wash U and Chicago are Central Region, while Rochester and Brandeis are not. I believe they're East and Northeast, but I'm not sure.
Since the UAA is spread out, I just decided to put them in the Central due to the fact that two teams listed (Chicago and Wash U) were from that region.
Quote from: lom on February 12, 2008, 12:02:06 PM
Any thoughts on New Paltz in the SUNYAC? They are tied for second in the conference. They just beat Cortland on Friday and then Cortland beat Oneonta on Saturday. They play Baruch tonight, should be a good indicator.
I don't see New Paltz State getting a Pool C bid. They have a 13-5 regional record as of now and are ranked 174 in the OWP calculations. It looks like the only way they are getting in is by winning their conference tournament.
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Regional rankings are out.
One thing that I don't really understand with these regional rankings is that they only rank 6 teams in each region (with the exception of 1). That makes a total of 50 ranked teams. There are 63 bids to be handed out.
Quote from: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:32:48 PM
One thing that I don't really understand with these regional rankings is that they only rank 6 teams in each region (with the exception of 1). That makes a total of 50 ranked teams. There are 63 bids to be handed out.
Good point! The men's list only includes 52 teams, with a field of 59.
While most of the discrepancy comes from pool A teams in conferences too weak to get a ranking, it would be nice if they would go
at least two teams deeper in each region to have a better chance of following the fortunes of all B and C teams (the men's list only includes 2 B-eligible teams, one 8th of 8, while there are 4 pool B slots - how do the others rate?).
Personally, I would like them to go 10 deep in each region. That way teams on the bubble know more about where they stand.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2008, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:32:48 PM
One thing that I don't really understand with these regional rankings is that they only rank 6 teams in each region (with the exception of 1). That makes a total of 50 ranked teams. There are 63 bids to be handed out.
Good point! The men's list only includes 52 teams, with a field of 59.
While most of the discrepancy comes from pool A teams in conferences too weak to get a ranking, it would be nice if they would go at least two teams deeper in each region to have a better chance of following the fortunes of all B and C teams (the men's list only includes 2 B-eligible teams, one 8th of 8, while there are 4 pool B slots - how do the others rate?).
Good point...it would just give a better perspective
Yep, but then it would commit the committee to a particular ranking, and the NCAA doesn't seem to like to commit to a ranking.
Here's an updated list of Pool C contenders (by conference, regional record listed):
2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 17)
West
MIAC- St. Bens (18-4)
IIAC- Simpson (17-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (13-3)
NWC- George Fox (13-2), Puget Sound (14-2)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (19-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (18-2), Carroll (16-4), Lake Forest (18-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (15-3)
UAA- Rochester (16-4), Wash U (13-4), Brandeis (17-4), Chicago (15-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-4), UWW (19-2), Stevens Point (18-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (21-0), Albion (14-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (16-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (21-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (14-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (16-3)
SCAC- DePauw (20-1), Oglethorpe (18-3), Trinity (16-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (16-3)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (17-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (21-0), McMurry (20-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (18-2), Albright (17-3), Lebanon Valley (19-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (16-4)
MACF- DeSales (21-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (17-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (21-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (20-1), Marymount (19-3)
NJAC- Kean (20-2), New Jersey (17-5), William Patterson (18-5), Rutgers-Newark (18-5)
East
E8- Stevens (19-4)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (19-3), Cortland State (14-4)
LL- William Smith (17-2), St. Lawrence (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2), Lake Erie (14-4)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-5), Amherst (21-2), Tufts (21-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (15-4)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (21-2), Western Conn (16-4), Eastern Conn (19-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (17-2), Salem State (18-2)
The North Atlantic Conference is a Pool A conference.
The AMCC (Medaille/Lake Erie) is a multi-region conference, Great Lakes and East Regions.
Does Puget Sound make a pretty good case for a Pool C team?
Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall
NE 16 01 01 0.6933 0.6456 0.5691 Tufts 002 A w C 21-2 21-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6450 0.5556 0.5558 Southern Maine 008 A w C 21-2 21-2
NE 16 03 03 0.6332 0.5310 0.5576 Amherst 013 C 1 21-2 22-2
NE 14 04 04 0.6345 0.5494 0.5393 Salem State 015 A w C 18-2 18-4
NE 90 05 06 0.6526 0.6086 0.5836 Brandeis 021 C 4 17-4 17-5
NE 13 06 08 0.6256 0.5636 0.5490 Eastern Connecticut 029 C 9 19-4 19-4
NE 14 07 07 0.5892 0.4677 0.5269 Bridgewater State 037 C 13 17-2 17-4
NE 16 08 05 0.6422 0.6270 0.5650 Bowdoin 046 C 19 15-5 17-7
NE 13 09 09 0.5958 0.5138 0.5462 Western Connecticut 047 C 20 17-4 18-4
NE 17 10 10 0.5798 0.4961 0.5269 Coast Guard 060 A second 16-4 18-4
NE 16 11 12 0.6203 0.6124 0.5608 Wesleyan 063 C second 16-7 16-8
EA 24 01 01 0.6346 0.5480 0.5478 William Smith 017 A w C 17-2 19-2
EA 90 02 02 0.6707 0.6574 0.5681 Rochester 020 A w C 16-4 18-4
EA 61 03 03 0.6020 0.5048 0.4938 Medaille 026 A w C 19-2 21-2
EA 23 04 04 0.5946 0.5048 0.5188 Brockport State 038 A w C 17-3 20-4
EA 24 05 07 0.5914 0.5191 0.5379 St. Lawrence 055 C second 15-4 19-4
EA 21 06 05 0.5754 0.4876 0.5001 Stevens 056 A second 19-4 20-4
EA 23 07 06 0.5882 0.5232 0.5286 Cortland State 062 C second 14-4 18-4
EA 23 08 09 0.5722 0.5230 0.5288 New Paltz State 083 15-6 18-6
EA 23 09 08 0.5634 0.5154 0.5229 Oneonta State 092 14-6 16-7
AT 32 01 01 0.6540 0.5812 0.5447 Kean 007 A w C 20-2 21-2
AT 41 02 02 0.6369 0.5338 0.5299 Mary Washington 011 A w C 19-1 21-2
AT 41 03 03 0.6457 0.5974 0.5244 Marymount 014 C 2 19-3 20-3
AT 33 04 04 0.6226 0.5371 0.5032 Mount St. Mary 018 A w C 21-2 21-2
AT 32 05 05 0.6537 0.6441 0.5539 New Jersey 033 C 11 17-5 18-5
AT 32 06 06 0.6287 0.5950 0.5423 William Paterson 041 C 15 18-5 18-5
AT 31 07 07 0.5888 0.5227 0.4918 Baruch 052 A second 18-4 20-6
AT 32 08 09 0.5746 0.4989 0.5182 Rutgers-Newark 066 C third 18-5 19-5
AT 33 09 08 0.5820 0.5398 0.4867 Farmingdale State 069 C third 16-5 16-5
MA 42 01 01 0.6904 0.6571 0.5527 Messiah 009 A w C 17-2 21-2
MA 43 02 03 0.6431 0.5866 0.5241 DeSales 016 A w C 21-3 21-3
MA 42 03 02 0.6423 0.5905 0.5381 Albright 019 C 3 17-3 19-4
MA 46 04 04 0.6317 0.5934 0.5306 Scranton 030 B 1 17-4 18-5
MA 42 05 05 0.5896 0.4869 0.5209 Lebanon Valley 042 C 16 19-3 20-3
MA 44 06 06 0.5940 0.5445 0.5042 Gwynedd-Mercy 054 A second 18-5 19-5
MA 45 07 07 0.5789 0.5131 0.5069 Muhlenberg 065 A third 18-5 18-5
MA 45 08 08 0.5660 0.4914 0.5191 Dickinson 078 16-5 16-6
MA 44 09 10 0.5456 0.4501 0.4823 Misericordia 079 16-4 18-6
SO 51 01 01 0.6673 0.5811 0.5071 Howard Payne 001 A w C 21-0 23-0
SO 51 02 02 0.6107 0.5097 0.5144 McMurry 022 C 5 20-2 20-3
SO 54 03 03 0.6313 0.5646 0.5389 Oglethorpe 023 C 6 18-3 20-3
SO 52 04 05 0.6038 0.5420 0.4893 Piedmont 034 A w C 16-3 20-3
SO 53 05 04 0.5980 0.5083 0.5255 Randolph-Macon 036 A w C 17-3 19-3
SO 54 06 06 0.6182 0.5763 0.5201 Trinity (Texas) 039 C 14 16-4 17-5
SO 55 07 07 0.5825 0.5008 0.4783 Christopher Newport 049 A second 17-3 18-4
SO 53 08 10 0.5908 0.5305 0.5195 Virginia Wesleyan 058 C second 18-5 19-5
SO 51 09 08 0.5843 0.5188 0.5167 Hardin-Simmons 061 C second 185 18-5
GL 54 01 01 0.6589 0.5754 0.5405 DePauw 003 A w C 17-1 20-3
GL 65 02 04 0.6491 0.5440 0.5084 Thomas More 004 A w C 19-0 23-0
GL 64 03 03 0.6449 0.5641 0.5383 Baldwin-Wallace 010 A w C 21-2 21-2
GL 62 04 02 0.6342 0.5065 0.5236 Hope 012 A w C 20-0 22-0
GL 62 05 05 0.5889 0.5062 0.5198 Albion 050 C second 14-3 19-4
GL 64 06 07 0.6248 0.5991 0.5390 Wilmington 051 C second 16-5 18-5
GL 64 07 06 0.6172 0.6074 0.5265 Ohio Northern 059 C second 16-6 17-6
GL 65 08 08 0.5764 0.5224 0.4960 Washington and Jefferson 072 C third 13-4 17-6
GL 63 09 09 0.5428 0.4276 0.4736 Kenyon 074 A third 16-3 18-6
MW 86 01 01 0.6821 0.6303 0.5632 UW-Whitewater 005 A w C 19-2 21-2
MW 74 02 05 0.6144 0.5186 0.5203 St. Norbert 024 A w C 18-2 18-5
MW 86 03 02 0.6432 0.6045 0.5637 UW-Eau Claire 027 C 7 16-4 18-5
MW 86 04 08 0.6251 0.5688 0.5445 UW-Stevens Point 031 C 10 18-4 19-4
MW 71 05 06 0.5924 0.4659 0.5331 Illinois Wesleyan 032 A w C 19-2 21-2
MW 90 06 03 0.6477 0.6259 0.5742 Washington U. 035 C 12 13-4 16-6
MW 74 07 07 0.6028 0.5455 0.5201 Carroll 043 C 17 16-4 17-4
MW 76 08 11 0.5942 0.5391 0.4749 Maryville (Mo.) 044 A w C 14-3 19-3
MW 71 09 04 0.6168 0.5734 0.5308 Carthage 045 C 18 15-4 17-6
WE 81 01 01 0.6464 0.5502 0.5405 Simpson 006 A w C 17-1 21-2
WE 83 02 02 0.6159 0.5361 0.5249 George Fox 025 A w C 13-2 20-3
WE 83 03 03 0.6111 0.5230 0.5237 Puget Sound 028 C 8 14-2 19-4
WE 89 04 04 0.6026 0.5521 0.4826 Chapman 040 B 2 14-3 21-3
WE 82 05 05 0.5788 0.4932 0.5107 St. Benedict 057 A second 18-4 20-4
WE 81 06 06 0.5734 0.5094 0.5357 Coe 077 C third 17-6 18-6
WE 84 07 10 0.5423 0.4406 0.4878 Occidental 081 A other 12-3 18-5
WE 82 08 09 0.5678 0.5314 0.5127 Gustavus Adolphus 090 16-7 16-7
WE 83 09 11 0.5611 0.5072 0.5243 Lewis and Clark 091 12-5 14-10
Reg Region
Conf Conference number
Rank Regional ranking
Prior Prior regional ranking
School
Natl National ranking based on regional results
Status
B + number: Pool B ranking (top 3 in tournament)
C + number: Pool C ranking of 21 teams in tournament
C second: second tier Pool C (spots 22-31)
C third: third tier Pool C (spots 32-41)
A w C: Pool A, in likely Pool C range
A second: Pool A, in second tier Pool C
A third: Pool A, in third tier Pool C
blank: lower level Pool C
Here's my first run on the women's side for the rating system that I'm using to model the NCAA regional rankings.
As with the men, I'm publishing three teams beyond the number that the NCAA shows in its rankings.
For those of you who haven't seen this before, I'm packing quite a bit in here and it does get a little complicated.
PABegg,
If I had 200+ posts, I'd award you as many Karma points as possible. This chart is very nice. I am a chart man myself and I can't get enough of this one.
pabegg,
Whom do you have a Pool B #3?
Concordia WI? Juniata? Wisconsin Lutheran?
How far down into the Central Region do we need to go to get to Concordia WI?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 06:40:33 PM
pabegg,
Whom do you have a Pool B #3?
Concordia WI? Juniata? Wisconsin Lutheran?
How far down into the Central Region do we need to go to get to Concordia WI?
I've got Concordia WI and Moravian essentially tied for the last spot.
Concordia is #14 (Chicago, Lake Forest, Stout, and Millikin at 10-13). Moravian is #10 in the Mid-Atlantic.
Juniata and Wisconsin Lutheran would be the next 2 B candidates, probably about a game back.
How many total bids on the women's side?
pabegg,
Well done--thank you!
Quote from: sac on February 18, 2008, 07:48:44 PM
How many total bids on the women's side?
63 total
39 A (same as men plus GSAC has an autobid)
3 B
21 C
OK, here are the games that I think need to be checked for regional status:
First of all, all La Sierra games should not be regional as La Sierra is year 2 provisional
Wilkes-Endicott should not be (over 200)
Trinity CT-Cazenovia should not be (over 200)
Ferrum-York PA should not be (over 200)
Ripon-Centenary should not be (over 200)
Finlandia-St. Scholastica should not be (over 200)
Anderson-Elmhurst should not be (over 200)
RPI-Colby-Sawyer should be (under 200)
Drew-Gordon should be (same admin)
Lasell-Western Conn should be (same region)
Pine Manor-RutgersCamden should be (same admin)
Keene St-Goucher should be (same admin)
Merchant Marine-Coast Guard should be (under 200)
Newbury-MIT should be (same region)
Philadelphia Bible-Cazenovia should be (same conference)
Gettysburg-Richard Stockton should be (under 200)
Mt. St. Vincent-St. Elizabeth should be (same region)
Mt. St. Vincent-Yeshiva should be (same region)
Scranton-Catholic should be (same conference)
Adrian-Virginia Wesleyan should be (same admin)
Centre-Trinity TX should be (same region) – only 1 of 2 is now
Rhodes-Centre should be (same region)
PSU-Behrend-Manchester should be (same region)
Hanover-Allegheny should be (same region)
Denison-Thiel should be (same region)
Dominican-Manchester should be (under 200)
Mt Mary-Alverno should be (same region)
Nebraska Wesleyan-Lewis & Clark (same region)
Bay Path-Albany Pharmacy is not D3
Husson-Maine Fort Kent is not D3
NYCT-Fisher is not D3
Mt. St. Vincent-St. Joseph's Brooklyn is provisional D3
Alverno-Stephens not D3
Alverno-UW-Parkside not D3
Cal Lutheran-CS East Bay not D3
Wilkes-Endicott should not be (over 200)
Trinity CT-Cazenovia should not be (over 200)
Ferrum-York PA should not be (over 200)
Ripon-Centenary should not be (over 200)
Finlandia-St. Scholastica should not be (over 200)
Anderson-Elmhurst should not be (over 200)
RPI-Colby-Sawyer should be (under 200)
Drew-Gordon should be (same admin) YES
Lasell-Western Conn should be (same region) YES
Pine Manor-RutgersCamden should be (same admin) YES
Keene St-Goucher should be (same admin) YES
Merchant Marine-Coast Guard should be (under 200)
Newbury-MIT should be (same region) YES
Philadelphia Bible-Cazenovia should be (same conference) YES
Gettysburg-Richard Stockton should be (under 200)
Mt. St. Vincent-St. Elizabeth should be (same region) YES
Mt. St. Vincent-Yeshiva should be (same region) YES
Scranton-Catholic should be (same conference) YES
Adrian-Virginia Wesleyan should be (same admin) YES
Centre-Trinity TX should be (same region) – only 1 of 2 is now YES
Rhodes-Centre should be (same region) YES
PSU-Behrend-Manchester should be (same region) YES
Hanover-Allegheny should be (same region) YES
Denison-Thiel should be (same region) YES
Dominican-Manchester should be (under 200)
Mt Mary-Alverno should be (same region) YES
Nebraska Wesleyan-Lewis & Clark (same region) YES
Bay Path-Albany Pharmacy is not D3 TRUE
Husson-Maine Fort Kent is not D3 TRUE
NYCT-Fisher is not D3 TRUE
Mt. St. Vincent-St. Joseph's Brooklyn is FIRST YEAR provisional D3. TRUE
Alverno-Stephens not D3 TRUE
Alverno-UW-Parkside not D3 TRUE
Cal Lutheran-CS East Bay not D3 TRUE
I was double-checking the schools that come down to distance (and I still agree with my earlier assessments), and one really humorous one came up.
Merchant Marine (Kings Point, NY) and Coast Guard (New London, CT) are 91 miles apart, including a trip on the ferry from Long Island to New London. I know that we've laughed over the years at the use of the Lake Michigan ferry (for Hope-Carthage), but if there is any pairing in D3 that should use a WATER route, it's this one. Frankly, they should have to travel by ship for this game!
pabegg,
I am humbled by your MS Excel prowess.
Sincerely,
Bill Gates
Quote from: pabegg on February 19, 2008, 08:04:01 AM
I was double-checking the schools that come down to distance (and I still agree with my earlier assessments), and one really humorous one came up.
Merchant Marine (Kings Point, NY) and Coast Guard (New London, CT) are 91 miles apart, including a trip on the ferry from Long Island to New London. I know that we've laughed over the years at the use of the Lake Michigan ferry (for Hope-Carthage), but if there is any pairing in D3 that should use a WATER route, it's this one. Frankly, they should have to travel by ship for this game!
There is one key difference: the Lake Michigan ferry is shut down during the entire basketball season. One hopes this is not true of the Coast Guard and Merchant Marine! ;D
Patrick
How should we read your chart?
Basically, if I'm a team in the "C Second" or "A Second" group...am I completely in the "win out to the final and hope a lot of the league favorites win their leagues" mode?
Quote from: atnwriter on February 20, 2008, 01:37:10 AM
Patrick
How should we read your chart?
Basically, if I'm a team in the "C Second" or "A Second" group...am I completely in the "win out to the final and hope a lot of the league favorites win their leagues" mode?
Actually, you're in worse shape than that.
I've taken the top team from each conference (not necessarily the conference leader) and assigned them a Pool A bid. Then I've taken the top 21 teams and assigned them the Pool C spots; they're labeled "C 1" to "C 21." The next 10 Pool C spots are "C second" and the next 10 are "C third." Then I've labeled the Pool A teams by where their ranking is relative to the Pool C teams. If they are ranked with one of the top 21, then they get a "A w C," if they're with the second tier, then "A second," and so forth.
So the teams that are in the "second" tier are looking at 21 teams ahead of them, even before any upsets. These are teams that need to gain ground, which at this point in the season probably means winning all their games except one (since going unbeaten means a Pool A bid), and hoping that the teams ahead of them lose more than once or have a bad playoff loss.
The teams that are really in the range that you described are the "C 16" to "C 21" teams, along with the "A w C" teams that have comparable national rankings. These are the teams that would lose their Pool C spots if top teams start taking those bids away.
PABEGG,
i'm new at this. how does coast guard in the northeast rank 10th when they have lost 2 conference games, one to a sub 500 team ( in conference and overall) and another barely above 500, plus they are second in the division w/2 games left?
Quote from: pureshooter on February 20, 2008, 12:39:09 PM
PABEGG,
i'm new at this. how does coast guard in the northeast rank 10th when they have lost 2 conference games, one to a sub 500 team ( in conference and overall) and another barely above 500, plus they are second in the division w/2 games left?
I assume that your real question is why are they ranked ahead of NEWMAC leader Wheaton.
First of all, conference record doesn't matter for ranking purposes. Conference games are just another regional game as far as ranking and selection goes.
So Coast Guard is 16-4 in region, while Wheaton is 16-5. Wheaton's strength of schedule numbers are a little better than Coast Guard's but not enough to make up for the one extra loss.
In the actual NCAA rankings, they also factor in head-to-head record and results against ranked teams. Wheaton has two losses against ranked teams (Tufts and Brandeis) and Coast Guard only has one (E. Conn), which is advantage Wheaton. However, Coast Guard won the head-to-head matchup, which would keep them ahead in the rankings.
In all likelihood, the rankings will not matter to either of these schools as their only sure way in is by winning the NEWMAC. Coast Guard still has a faint chance for a Pool C if they win all their games up until the conference final.
Brandeis women are not ranked, unless you are referring to regional rankings or the others receiving votes category.
Quote from: ILive4This on February 21, 2008, 12:19:54 AM
Brandeis women are not ranked, unless you are referring to regional rankings or the others receiving votes category.
He is referring to the regional rankings; in-region results vs. regionally ranked teams is a criterion in the ranking and selection process, whereas the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll is not relevant to that process.
Yeah, we've seen some weird things related to league standings and NCAA selections in past. NESCAC once had a scenario in which the 4th place team (Wesleyan) made NCAAs and the third place team (Williams) didn't.
Stuff like that happens with this system.
As I've said before...Deiscanton has been right-on with previous bubble analysis...looking forward to his insights, as we get a little closer, on bubble-fringe ("faint chance") teams.
I posted this in the UAA discussion as well, but I find it interesting that Brandeis Women are ranked ahead of Southern Maine when they have twice as many losses. In addition, the men are in a similar situation however ranked below UMD, however the men did lose to UMD earlier this season so it makes a bit of sense.
What are the total number of pool c spots for women - 21? I know it is 17 for men...
Quote from: ILive4This on February 21, 2008, 12:26:09 PM
I posted this in the UAA discussion as well, but I find it interesting that Brandeis Women are ranked ahead of Southern Maine when they have twice as many losses. In addition, the men are in a similar situation however ranked below UMD, however the men did lose to UMD earlier this season so it makes a bit of sense.
What are the total number of pool c spots for women - 21? I know it is 17 for men...
Correct on 21.
On the rankings, the head-to-head is key. Without it, I could see Brandeis being ahead, although it's a toss-up.
The Brandeis women also have a bigger advantage on strength-of-schedule than the men do, so the ranking there is not really surprising.
The men's and women's committees have different takes on the rules, as we've seen over the years, so I wouldn't expect an exact correlation in results, even given the same data.
Impact of results since Sunday on Pool C (I've been doing this daily on the men's side, so I thought that I'd take a look at the women).
Remarkably, not much. The tournament cutoff did not change for the 21 teams that I projected for the games through Sunday.
Bridgewater State gained a couple of spots and a little breathing room with their win over Salem State, who dropped slightly but is still very comfortable if they lose the Pool A bid.
Lebanon Valley's loss dropped them lower on the bubble; they went from being uncertain to very nervous.
Randolph-Macon and Christopher Newport are still likely Pool A teams, but their Pool C chances took a hit (RMC from bubble to below bubble, CNU from just below to well below).
Pool B didn't change this week. It's still comfortable for Scranton and Chapman, with Moravian and Concordia WI still battling for 3rd.
The Landmark has to receive a multi-region waiver in order for the Catholic/Scranton game to be in-region. I'll check to see if it has asked and received.
I thought if they're in the same conference it qualifies as in-region game.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 04:43:09 PM
The Landmark has to receive a multi-region waiver in order for the Catholic/Scranton game to be in-region. I'll check to see if it has asked and received.
Pat,
I thought that the "multi-region waiver" was the thing that allowed conferences to have teams in more than one region.
Isn't the question whether a Pool B conference such as the Landmark counts under the rule that says all conference games are regional games?
By the way, the conference rule isn't written into the handbooks, so that if you read them literally, WashU-Brandeis is not a regional game.
However, it is a regional game, whether it should be or shouldnt, that can be debated separately
The Scranton-Catholic and Wash-Brandeis games games can only be regional by the 1st criteria(within an school's defined region) because the other 2 criteria(200 miles or same membership region) don't pertain. The same conference idea doesn't pertain because they are among the conferences that asked for exception to that. But I haven't seen anywhere what a school's defined region is.
It's too late in the season as we near selection Monday to run into these surprises. Fan/coach/player/AD, it should be known by now.
Yes, the Landmark got a multi-region waiver. Usually these things are denoted in the handbook but this year's handbook didn't include regional breakdowns. The NCAA's Web site, which the handbook points us too, does not inlucde this information.
With the large number of Pool C bids I am feeling pretty good about Puget Sound's chance for an at-large if they get upset in their conference tournament championship game.
2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 24) by conference, in region record listed
West
MIAC- St. Bens (19-5)
IIAC- Simpson (19-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (14-3)
NWC- George Fox (15-2), Puget Sound (16-2)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (21-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (19-2), Carroll (18-4), Lake Forest (20-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (16-3)
UAA- Rochester (17-5), Wash U (15-4), Brandeis (17-6), Chicago (17-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (18-4), UWW (21-2), Stevens Point (20-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (22-0), Albion (15-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (17-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (23-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (18-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (19-4), Trinity (18-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (18-5)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (19-4)
ASC- Howard Payne (23-0), McMurry (22-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (20-2), Albright (18-4), Lebanon Valley (20-4)
PnAC- None
MACF- DeSales (21-4)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (18-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (23-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (22-1), Marymount (20-4)
NJAC- Kean (21-3), New Jersey (19-5), William Patterson (20-5)
East
E8- None
SUNYAC- Brockport State (18-3), Cortland State (16-5)
LL- William Smith (20-2), St. Lawrence (17-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(16-5), Amherst (22-2), Tufts (22-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (19-4)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (23-2), Western Conn (18-5), Eastern Conn (21-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (20-2), Salem State (20-3)
The North Atlantic Conference (NAC) is Pool A, but I see no Pool C candidates.
Here's my latest run on ranking, with games through Sunday.
Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall
NE 16 01 01 0.6887 0.6341 0.5702 Tufts 002 A w C 22-2 22-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6475 0.5576 0.5546 Southern Maine 005 A w C 23-2 23-2
NE 16 03 03 0.6313 0.5245 0.5596 Amherst 011 C 1 22-2 23-2
NE 14 04 04 0.6277 0.5549 0.5315 Salem State 018 A w C 20-3 20-5
NE 13 05 06 0.6283 0.5612 0.5508 Eastern Connecticut 022 C 5 21-4 21-4
NE 14 06 07 0.6053 0.4909 0.5303 Bridgewater State 028 C 9 20-2 20-4
NE 16 07 08 0.6504 0.6353 0.5691 Bowdoin 036 C 13 16-5 18-7
NE 90 08 05 0.6409 0.6222 0.5800 Brandeis 044 C 18 17-6 17-7
NE 13 09 09 0.5981 0.5334 0.5430 Western Connecticut 053 C second 18-5 19-5
NE 17 10 10 0.5774 0.4796 0.5243 Coast Guard 056 A second 19-4 21-4
NE 16 11 11 0.6249 0.6144 0.5625 Wesleyan 059 C second 17-7 17-8
EA 24 01 01 0.6388 0.5530 0.5404 William Smith 013 A w C 20-2 22-2
EA 61 02 03 0.5952 0.4902 0.4873 Medaille 033 A w C 21-2 23-2
EA 90 03 02 0.6565 0.6392 0.5749 Rochester 034 C 12 17-5 19-5
EA 23 04 04 0.5970 0.5091 0.5129 Brockport State 037 A w C 18-3 21-4
EA 24 05 05 0.5848 0.4945 0.5406 St. Lawrence 055 C second 17-4 21-4
EA 21 06 06 0.5697 0.4960 0.4949 Stevens 064 A third 19-5 20-5
EA 23 07 07 0.5784 0.5133 0.5252 Cortland State 067 C third 16-5 20-5
EA 23 08 09 0.5778 0.5392 0.5188 Oneonta State 077 C third 15-6 17-7
EA 21 09 11 0.5742 0.5571 0.5008 Ithaca 088 15-7 16-9
AT 41 01 02 0.6300 0.5183 0.5270 Mary Washington 010 A w C 22-1 23-2
AT 32 02 01 0.6451 0.5802 0.5451 Kean 014 A w C 21-3 22-3
AT 33 03 04 0.6238 0.5369 0.5014 Mount St. Mary 016 A w C 23-2 23-2
AT 41 04 03 0.6368 0.5954 0.5228 Marymount 020 C 4 20-4 21-4
AT 32 05 05 0.6464 0.6198 0.5541 New Jersey 029 C 10 19-5 20-5
AT 32 06 06 0.6262 0.5819 0.5413 William Paterson 039 C 15 20-5 20-5
AT 31 07 07 0.5901 0.5166 0.4939 Baruch 042 A won 20-4 22-6
AT 33 08 09 0.5797 0.5240 0.4882 Farmingdale State 062 C second 18-5 18-5
AT 33 09 11 0.5535 0.4715 0.4793 Mount St. Vincent 076 C third 19-5 20-5
MA 42 01 01 0.7004 0.6704 0.5515 Messiah 008 A w C 20-2 23-2
MA 43 02 02 0.6406 0.5772 0.5278 DeSales 015 A w C 22-3 22-3
MA 42 03 03 0.6388 0.5929 0.5514 Albright 025 C 7 18-4 20-5
MA 46 04 04 0.6347 0.5957 0.5295 Scranton 031 B 1 18-4 19-5
MA 42 05 05 0.5887 0.4968 0.5280 Lebanon Valley 043 C 17 20-4 21-4
MA 44 06 06 0.6040 0.5613 0.5019 Gwynedd-Mercy 048 A w C 19-5 20-5
MA 45 07 07 0.5788 0.5245 0.5061 Muhlenberg 070 A third 19-6 19-6
MA 45 08 12 0.5528 0.4727 0.5055 Franklin and Marshall 089 19-6 19-6
MA 44 09 09 0.5478 0.4722 0.4850 Misericordia 091 16-5 18-7
SO 51 01 01 0.6458 0.5355 0.5120 Howard Payne 003 A w C 23-0 25-0
SO 51 02 02 0.6199 0.5254 0.5120 McMurry 017 C 2 22-2 22-3
SO 54 03 03 0.6269 0.5700 0.5414 Oglethorpe 032 C 11 19-4 21-4
SO 52 04 04 0.6014 0.5269 0.4944 Piedmont 035 A w C 18-3 22-3
SO 54 05 06 0.6149 0.5603 0.5208 Trinity (Texas) 038 C 14 18-4 19-5
SO 53 06 05 0.5889 0.5052 0.5192 Randolph-Macon 047 A w C 19-4 21-4
SO 53 07 08 0.5945 0.5355 0.5152 Virginia Wesleyan 050 C 21 19-5 20-5
SO 51 08 09 0.5925 0.5289 0.5123 Hardin-Simmons 051 C second 20-5 20-5
SO 55 09 07 0.5739 0.5152 0.4827 Christopher Newport 066 A third 185 19-6
GL 54 01 01 0.6634 0.5827 0.5384 DePauw 001 A w C 19-1 22-3
GL 65 02 02 0.6432 0.5338 0.5052 Thomas More 006 A w C 20-0 25-0
GL 64 03 03 0.6368 0.5453 0.5368 Baldwin-Wallace 009 A w C 23-2 23-2
GL 62 04 04 0.6255 0.4919 0.5183 Hope 012 A w C 22-0 24-0
GL 62 05 05 0.5839 0.4925 0.5174 Albion 049 C 20 15-3 20-4
GL 64 06 07 0.6107 0.5826 0.5276 Ohio Northern 057 C second 18-6 19-6
GL 64 07 06 0.6153 0.5933 0.5355 Wilmington 058 C second 17-6 19-6
GL 65 08 08 0.5733 0.5029 0.4979 Washington and Jefferson 065 C third 15-4 19-6
GL 63 09 09 0.5421 0.4259 0.4668 Kenyon 075 A third 17-3 19-6
MW 86 01 01 0.6723 0.6096 0.5572 UW-Whitewater 007 A w C 21-2 23-2
MW 86 02 03 0.6471 0.6046 0.5612 UW-Eau Claire 019 C 3 18-4 20-5
MW 71 03 05 0.6061 0.4883 0.5350 Illinois Wesleyan 023 A w C 21-2 23-2
MW 86 04 04 0.6264 0.5628 0.5468 UW-Stevens Point 026 C 8 20-4 21-4
MW 74 05 02 0.6079 0.5056 0.5158 St. Norbert 027 A w C 19-2 19-4
MW 90 06 06 0.6573 0.6340 0.5718 Washington U. 030 A w C 15-4 18-6
MW 90 07 10 0.6393 0.6019 0.5809 Chicago 041 C 16 17-5 19-5
MW 76 08 08 0.5815 0.5053 0.4735 Maryville (Mo.) 045 A w C 16-3 21-3
MW 74 09 07 0.5930 0.5167 0.5203 Carroll 046 C 19 18-4 19-4
WE 81 01 01 0.6465 0.5504 0.5352 Simpson 004 A w C 19-1 23-2
WE 83 02 02 0.6245 0.5494 0.5167 George Fox 021 A w C 15-2 22-3
WE 83 03 03 0.6114 0.5157 0.5254 Puget Sound 024 C 6 16-2 21-4
WE 89 04 04 0.6005 0.5383 0.4920 Chapman 040 B 2 15-3 22-3
WE 82 05 05 0.5756 0.5010 0.5088 St. Benedict 061 A second 19-5 20-5
WE 84 06 07 0.5556 0.4608 0.4773 Occidental 069 A third 14-3 20-5
WE 82 07 10 0.5755 0.5376 0.5066 St. Thomas 078 C third 18-7 18-7
WE 81 08 06 0.5731 0.5264 0.5313 Coe 085 17-7 18-7
WE 81 09 11 0.5932 0.5915 0.5399 Luther 087 13-7 15-9
At this point, anyone in the top 40 probably has clinched a Pool C bid if they need one. This is partly due to the fact that no one can lose two games this week and that everyone who is in Pool C contention from conferences with a tournament will have at least one loss this week. There simply isn't that much movement in the final week. The remaining 6 Pool C slots, from Chicago to Virginia Wesleyan, stand a good chance of going away to teams that are higher ranked and get upset in the conference tournaments.
Brandeis is in a singular situation. Despite being firmly on the bubble, they have a chance to go unbeaten this week (by beating NYU in their only game) and thereby move up relative to teams that will have a loss in their conference tournaments.
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.
PaBegg,
Thanks again for these charts...this is really good stuff.
Your efforts are appreciated.
BJ
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.
That would be Concordia Wisconsin, wouldn't it?
Quote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.
That would be Concordia Wisconsin, wouldn't it?
That seems likely. Of these two Concordias (both Missouri Synod-flavor), both in the same conference, the one in Wisconsin has the better conference record, though both have winning records overall.
[Confusing the many Concordias is far from uncommon; several -- most? -- are NCAA D3, one is NCAA D2, and the rest are NAIA.]
Quote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.
That would be Concordia Wisconsin, wouldn't it?
That's right. Concordia WI is ahead of Moravian, while Concordia IL is behind.
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
Brandeis is in a singular situation. Despite being firmly on the bubble, they have a chance to go unbeaten this week (by beating NYU in their only game) and thereby move up relative to teams that will have a loss in their conference tournaments.
Pabegg, so in your opinion, if Brandeis was to beat NYU on sat. and there aren't a crazy number of upsets in the conference tourneys, then are the Judges in? I kind of felt like they played their way out of the tournament this past weekend.
Quote from: theBroadcaster on February 25, 2008, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
Brandeis is in a singular situation. Despite being firmly on the bubble, they have a chance to go unbeaten this week (by beating NYU in their only game) and thereby move up relative to teams that will have a loss in their conference tournaments.
Pabegg, so in your opinion, if Brandeis was to beat NYU on sat. and there aren't a crazy number of upsets in the conference tourneys, then are the Judges in? I kind of felt like they played their way out of the tournament this past weekend.
With a win this weekend, Brandeis will be in consideration; at very worst they will be at the top of the Northeast roster when the final cuts are made. They definitely would be rooting for favorites to win Pool A bids.
They're 7-5 in-region against top 100 teams, with only one bad loss (NYU). I'd like Brandeis' chances at 18-6. If they'd done better this weekend, they'd have clinched a bid by now.
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
Here's my latest run on ranking, with games through Sunday.
Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall
NE 16 01 01 0.6887 0.6341 0.5702 Tufts 002 A w C 22-2 22-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6475 0.5576 0.5546 Southern Maine 005 A w C 23-2 23-2
NE 16 03 03 0.6313 0.5245 0.5596 Amherst 011 C 1 22-2 23-2
NE 14 04 04 0.6277 0.5549 0.5315 Salem State 018 A w C 20-3 20-5
NE 13 05 06 0.6283 0.5612 0.5508 Eastern Connecticut 022 C 5 21-4 21-4
NE 14 06 07 0.6053 0.4909 0.5303 Bridgewater State 028 C 9 20-2 20-4
NE 16 07 08 0.6504 0.6353 0.5691 Bowdoin 036 C 13 16-5 18-7
NE 90 08 05 0.6409 0.6222 0.5800 Brandeis 044 C 18 17-6 17-7
NE 13 09 09 0.5981 0.5334 0.5430 Western Connecticut 053 C second 18-5 19-5
NE 17 10 10 0.5774 0.4796 0.5243 Coast Guard 056 A second 19-4 21-4
NE 16 11 11 0.6249 0.6144 0.5625 Wesleyan 059 C second 17-7 17-8
EA 24 01 01 0.6388 0.5530 0.5404 William Smith 013 A w C 20-2 22-2
EA 61 02 03 0.5952 0.4902 0.4873 Medaille 033 A w C 21-2 23-2
EA 90 03 02 0.6565 0.6392 0.5749 Rochester 034 C 12 17-5 19-5
EA 23 04 04 0.5970 0.5091 0.5129 Brockport State 037 A w C 18-3 21-4
EA 24 05 05 0.5848 0.4945 0.5406 St. Lawrence 055 C second 17-4 21-4
EA 21 06 06 0.5697 0.4960 0.4949 Stevens 064 A third 19-5 20-5
EA 23 07 07 0.5784 0.5133 0.5252 Cortland State 067 C third 16-5 20-5
EA 23 08 09 0.5778 0.5392 0.5188 Oneonta State 077 C third 15-6 17-7
EA 21 09 11 0.5742 0.5571 0.5008 Ithaca 088 15-7 16-9
AT 41 01 02 0.6300 0.5183 0.5270 Mary Washington 010 A w C 22-1 23-2
AT 32 02 01 0.6451 0.5802 0.5451 Kean 014 A w C 21-3 22-3
AT 33 03 04 0.6238 0.5369 0.5014 Mount St. Mary 016 A w C 23-2 23-2
AT 41 04 03 0.6368 0.5954 0.5228 Marymount 020 C 4 20-4 21-4
AT 32 05 05 0.6464 0.6198 0.5541 New Jersey 029 C 10 19-5 20-5
AT 32 06 06 0.6262 0.5819 0.5413 William Paterson 039 C 15 20-5 20-5
AT 31 07 07 0.5901 0.5166 0.4939 Baruch 042 A won 20-4 22-6
AT 33 08 09 0.5797 0.5240 0.4882 Farmingdale State 062 C second 18-5 18-5
AT 33 09 11 0.5535 0.4715 0.4793 Mount St. Vincent 076 C third 19-5 20-5
MA 42 01 01 0.7004 0.6704 0.5515 Messiah 008 A w C 20-2 23-2
MA 43 02 02 0.6406 0.5772 0.5278 DeSales 015 A w C 22-3 22-3
MA 42 03 03 0.6388 0.5929 0.5514 Albright 025 C 7 18-4 20-5
MA 46 04 04 0.6347 0.5957 0.5295 Scranton 031 B 1 18-4 19-5
MA 42 05 05 0.5887 0.4968 0.5280 Lebanon Valley 043 C 17 20-4 21-4
MA 44 06 06 0.6040 0.5613 0.5019 Gwynedd-Mercy 048 A w C 19-5 20-5
MA 45 07 07 0.5788 0.5245 0.5061 Muhlenberg 070 A third 19-6 19-6
MA 45 08 12 0.5528 0.4727 0.5055 Franklin and Marshall 089 19-6 19-6
MA 44 09 09 0.5478 0.4722 0.4850 Misericordia 091 16-5 18-7
SO 51 01 01 0.6458 0.5355 0.5120 Howard Payne 003 A w C 23-0 25-0
SO 51 02 02 0.6199 0.5254 0.5120 McMurry 017 C 2 22-2 22-3
SO 54 03 03 0.6269 0.5700 0.5414 Oglethorpe 032 C 11 19-4 21-4
SO 52 04 04 0.6014 0.5269 0.4944 Piedmont 035 A w C 18-3 22-3
SO 54 05 06 0.6149 0.5603 0.5208 Trinity (Texas) 038 C 14 18-4 19-5
SO 53 06 05 0.5889 0.5052 0.5192 Randolph-Macon 047 A w C 19-4 21-4
SO 53 07 08 0.5945 0.5355 0.5152 Virginia Wesleyan 050 C 21 19-5 20-5
SO 51 08 09 0.5925 0.5289 0.5123 Hardin-Simmons 051 C second 20-5 20-5
SO 55 09 07 0.5739 0.5152 0.4827 Christopher Newport 066 A third 185 19-6
GL 54 01 01 0.6634 0.5827 0.5384 DePauw 001 A w C 19-1 22-3
GL 65 02 02 0.6432 0.5338 0.5052 Thomas More 006 A w C 20-0 25-0
GL 64 03 03 0.6368 0.5453 0.5368 Baldwin-Wallace 009 A w C 23-2 23-2
GL 62 04 04 0.6255 0.4919 0.5183 Hope 012 A w C 22-0 24-0
GL 62 05 05 0.5839 0.4925 0.5174 Albion 049 C 20 15-3 20-4
GL 64 06 07 0.6107 0.5826 0.5276 Ohio Northern 057 C second 18-6 19-6
GL 64 07 06 0.6153 0.5933 0.5355 Wilmington 058 C second 17-6 19-6
GL 65 08 08 0.5733 0.5029 0.4979 Washington and Jefferson 065 C third 15-4 19-6
GL 63 09 09 0.5421 0.4259 0.4668 Kenyon 075 A third 17-3 19-6
MW 86 01 01 0.6723 0.6096 0.5572 UW-Whitewater 007 A w C 21-2 23-2
MW 86 02 03 0.6471 0.6046 0.5612 UW-Eau Claire 019 C 3 18-4 20-5
MW 71 03 05 0.6061 0.4883 0.5350 Illinois Wesleyan 023 A w C 21-2 23-2
MW 86 04 04 0.6264 0.5628 0.5468 UW-Stevens Point 026 C 8 20-4 21-4
MW 74 05 02 0.6079 0.5056 0.5158 St. Norbert 027 A w C 19-2 19-4
MW 90 06 06 0.6573 0.6340 0.5718 Washington U. 030 A w C 15-4 18-6
MW 90 07 10 0.6393 0.6019 0.5809 Chicago 041 C 16 17-5 19-5
MW 76 08 08 0.5815 0.5053 0.4735 Maryville (Mo.) 045 A w C 16-3 21-3
MW 74 09 07 0.5930 0.5167 0.5203 Carroll 046 C 19 18-4 19-4
WE 81 01 01 0.6465 0.5504 0.5352 Simpson 004 A w C 19-1 23-2
WE 83 02 02 0.6245 0.5494 0.5167 George Fox 021 A w C 15-2 22-3
WE 83 03 03 0.6114 0.5157 0.5254 Puget Sound 024 C 6 16-2 21-4
WE 89 04 04 0.6005 0.5383 0.4920 Chapman 040 B 2 15-3 22-3
WE 82 05 05 0.5756 0.5010 0.5088 St. Benedict 061 A second 19-5 20-5
WE 84 06 07 0.5556 0.4608 0.4773 Occidental 069 A third 14-3 20-5
WE 82 07 10 0.5755 0.5376 0.5066 St. Thomas 078 C third 18-7 18-7
WE 81 08 06 0.5731 0.5264 0.5313 Coe 085 17-7 18-7
WE 81 09 11 0.5932 0.5915 0.5399 Luther 087 13-7 15-9
At this point, anyone in the top 40 probably has clinched a Pool C bid if they need one. This is partly due to the fact that no one can lose two games this week and that everyone who is in Pool C contention from conferences with a tournament will have at least one loss this week. There simply isn't that much movement in the final week. The remaining 6 Pool C slots, from Chicago to Virginia Wesleyan, stand a good chance of going away to teams that are higher ranked and get upset in the conference tournaments.
Brandeis is in a singular situation. Despite being firmly on the bubble, they have a chance to go unbeaten this week (by beating NYU in their only game) and thereby move up relative to teams that will have a loss in their conference tournaments.
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.
I know you've explained this previously (so I apologize for asking again), but how are these charts sorted? For example, why is Wash U 6th in the Midwest when they have the third best RPI?
Thanks for putting all this data together.
The national ranking is used to rank the teams within the regions.
The national ranking is a blend of the RPI and the Regional Winning Percentage (RWP) rankings. This reflects past experience with the official NCAA regional rankings.
In WashU's case, their strong RPI (#5 in country) is balanced off by their lower RWP (#56 in country). All of the schools above them have better records (and all but St. Norbert were ranked ahead of them in the last NCAA rankings).
Quote from: pabegg on February 26, 2008, 11:08:42 AM
The national ranking is used to rank the teams within the regions.
The national ranking is a blend of the RPI and the Regional Winning Percentage (RWP) rankings. This reflects past experience with the official NCAA regional rankings.
In WashU's case, their strong RPI (#5 in country) is balanced off by their lower RWP (#56 in country). All of the schools above them have better records (and all but St. Norbert were ranked ahead of them in the last NCAA rankings).
Thanks for the answer.
The NCAAs regional rankings seem to have the teams overall records in the regional record category instead of the overall record category and vise versa
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/polls/rankings/diviii
is it possible that regional rankings were compiled using the wrong data?
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 27, 2008, 03:00:42 PM
The NCAAs regional rankings seem to have the teams overall records in the regional record category instead of the overall record category and vise versa
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/polls/rankings/diviii
is it possible that regional rankings were compiled using the wrong data?
If so, they corrected it by the time I looked.
You are right. It has been corrected. Perhaps the NCAA checks this board? 8)
Pabegg:
Your ratings are very interesting and obviously you have spent quite a bit of time on this.
thx
In the south region, I believe McMurry is third in the NCAA Regional ratings and Oglethorpe is second.
I look forward to your updates every evening as these next few days are going to be very interesting as we approach Sunday evening.
airball, Sunday evening is when WE no doubt go crazy with predictions, but the NCAA won't reveal the brackets until Monday. ;)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 10:36:23 PM
airball, Sunday evening is when WE no doubt go crazy with predictions, but the NCAA won't reveal the brackets until Monday. ;)
But 1 believe that on the women's side we will know the teams Sunday night, if I understood the talk on Hoopsville correctly.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 03:22:12 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 27, 2008, 03:00:42 PM
The NCAAs regional rankings seem to have the teams overall records in the regional record category instead of the overall record category and vise versa
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/polls/rankings/diviii
is it possible that regional rankings were compiled using the wrong data?
If so, they corrected it by the time I looked.
D3Hoops Daily Dose listing of the women's regional rankings incorporates the uncorrected version of the NCAA's rankings
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/02/27/ncaas-third-regional-rankings
I'll change the headers at some point. No big deal.
Watch out Bubble teams! #4 ranked UW-Whitewater is on the ropes:
http://www.uwwsports.com/Sports/wbball/2007/livestats/xlive.htm
Quote from: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:19:45 PM
Watch out Bubble teams! #2 ranked UW-Whitewater is on the ropes:
http://www.uwwsports.com/Sports/wbball/2007/livestats/xlive.htm
Whitewater is #4
Whitewater lost tonight. One pool C bid gone!
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
Whitewater lost tonight. One pool C bid gone!
I actually looked at the Central Region Rankings and saw three bids (2 "C's" and 1 "A") from the WIAC.
We just determined the first "C".
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
Whitewater lost tonight. One pool C bid gone!
I actually looked at the Central Region Rankings and saw three bids (2 "C's" and 1 "A") from the WIAC.
We just determined the first "C".
Yeah, no matter who lost tonight in this game, we had the first C. Still hasn't happened on the men's side.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 27, 2008, 03:30:18 PM
You are right. It has been corrected. Perhaps the NCAA checks this board? 8)
More like this board checks the NCAA ::) :o
Chicago beats Wash U 76-53 to win the Pool A bid from the UAA. Wash U will need a Pool C berth to get into the tournament.
I'd have to check the manual to be sure, but I'm not sure it is legal to have an NCAA tourney without the Wash U women! ;)
Brockport leading Cortland by 14 in the second half, Brockport will likely control the Pool A & SUNYAC will be a one-bid conference.
FINAL!
Stevens Point 62, Eau Claire 50
EC outshoots SP, but Point turns the ball over just 10 times (EC had 18), and holds a huge advantage at the foul line 20-23 compared to EC's 4-10. EC doesn't score a point over the final 3:52.
Point is in, Whitewater would seem to be a Pool C lock. Eau Claire should be in, but they will have the most nervous Sunday.
HPU versus McMurry on Sunday for the title.
DePauw versus Oglethorpe (if OU holds their 17 point lead over Trinity TX with 5 minutes left in the first half). Final OU 73, Trinity 70. (TU misses a 3FG at the buzzer.)
Greensboro won the USA South and Piedmont won the GSAC, so this part of the South is stable.
There are 2 Pool C bids from the South.
Three Pool C bids from the South...McMurry, Oglethorpe and Trinity TX!
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2008, 04:41:33 PM
I'd have to check the manual to be sure, but I'm not sure it is legal to have an NCAA tourney without the Wash U women! ;)
Don't worry...it didn't happen! :)
I admit I do not follow closely or understand the intricacies of all the primary and secondary selection criteria especially the OWP and OOWP, BUT HOW IS A TEAM IN THE TOURNAMENT WITH A 18-9 OVERALL AND 16-6 Conference RECORD? In the d3 hoops.com projections they were not even in the last 7 or so left out. I am sure there are many others all over the country with better resumes. For example in the conference with which I am most familiar (the ASC) Hardin-Simmons has 6 total losses (3 to #2 HPU, 2 to #8 McMurry and the other to Trinity(Tx), another team in the field.
Someone please enlighten me. I am confused but I can be convinced. GA was not even in the last regional rankings if I am not mistaken.
Rick- I'm not going to try to convince you, because I am fairly shocked myself. All I can say is that GAC had wins over UW-Eau Claire, Carleton and St. Thomas who are all in the tournament. They had another quality win over St. Ben's, and a close loss to Maryville.
Quote from: Rick Akins on March 03, 2008, 12:00:14 AM
I admit I do not follow closely or understand the intricacies of all the primary and secondary selection criteria especially the OWP and OOWP, BUT HOW IS A TEAM IN THE TOURNAMENT WITH A 18-9 OVERALL AND 16-6 Conference RECORD? In the d3 hoops.com projections they were not even in the last 7 or so left out. I am sure there are many others all over the country with better resumes. For example in the conference with which I am most familiar (the ASC) Hardin-Simmons has 6 total losses (3 to #2 HPU, 2 to #8 McMurry and the other to Trinity(Tx), another team in the field.
Someone please enlighten me. I am confused but I can be convinced. GA was not even in the last regional rankings if I am not mistaken.
Rick, I think that HSU was at the table from the South Region when the last Pool C bid was given out.
HSU's record against in-region ranked teams was 0-6. We have very low OWP and OOWP's in this conference, and I think that it may take 2-3 years for the NCAA to figure out how to handle this.
As I look at these numbers, I think that a team should not lose a game that it should not lose. If there was one in the HPU/McM/Trinity stack then that may be the game that kept you out. I think that that game was either McMurry, the second time, or Trinity the first time.
The South Region record for
HSU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/HSU/womens/2008) was 21-6 and the Cowgirls and an in-region record against ranked teams of 0-6.
Trinity's (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/TRNU/womens/2008) was 1-4 (HSU win and losses to George Fox, Oglethorpe twice and DePauw once).
Trinity edges HSU on the criterion of in-region head-to-head. Trinity was ranked ahead of HSU in the last published regional rankings re-produced in the
Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/) last Wednesday.
If Gustavus Adolphus is the last women's team off the board, they had an in-region record of
18-9 (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GAC/womens/2008). Their record versus in-region ranked teams was 3-3 (UWEC, St Benedict and St Thomas), and they also had a loss against Pool A Maryville MO and split with MIAC Pool A, Carleton. I can see how the committee thought that GAC has a stronger credential. We didn't see the final Regional Rankings, and we know that they have deeper regional rankings than the 6-8 teams per region that we see. That is a 4-5 record against teams in the tourney.
Thanks for the GAC explanation. I wasn't really advocating for HSU, and I see if you beat several teams in the field or regionally ranked teams it gets you noticed and helps under the criteria. It still seems a little unusual that Pat Coleman and his team of D3 gurus hit 62 of 63, but the last was not even on their board at the end. LET THE GAMES BEGIN.
I know it is really a geographic thing, but as an HPU fan it still makes me feel good to see we got a bye, and see Meia Daniels on the front page of D3hoops.com today.
The only reason GAC wasn't on the board at the end was because the very last team we selected was from the West. So technically there wasn't any West Region team on the board at the end because we put that West team in the field.
I see now Pat . Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the "move up and compare" process for completing the field by looking at the next team in each region. I wasn't thinking that each of the remaining teams on your board you mentioned were the next team from each region. My mistake--I feel better now.
Looks like all of the questionable Pool C's got beat in the first round. Without trying to sound like Dickie V, common sense should be a criteria. No nine loss team should ever be in the tournament as an at-large selection.
Gustavus, Albright, New Jersey, William Patterson.
Quote from: hsusid on March 07, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
Looks like all of the questionable Pool C's got beat in the first round. Without trying to sound like Dickie V, common sense should be a criteria. No nine loss team should ever be in the tournament as an at-large selection.
Gustavus, Albright, New Jersey, William Patterson.
Yeah, hsusid, are you campaigning for a HSU vs. McMurry and Trinity vs. HPU and HSU goes to the Final Four? ;)
Not that it would have happened that way, but it would have been nice to have that chance. The geography was for sure there. I have no doubt we would have beaten all four of those teams listed above and maybe about 30 more teams in the tournament - but what can you do. That is the system we have.
It doesn't look like we (meaning the ASC) will ever get a bubble pool C bid with the new set up. The 15-team conference will not allow that, even if all 15 teams went 4 or 5-0 in non-conference against DIII foes. The smaller conferences, especially the ones that are over multiple regions for sure have the advantage now. That is why you see four from UAA and three from the SCAC.
The top end of the ASC is on par or better than those two conferences, they just don't have the bad teams to drag them down OWP and OOWP wise.
You have to win 22 or 23 games to get a lock Pool C if you are in our conference and other conferences have to win 18 to get a lock Pool C.
It will for sure make the conference administration, presidents, ADs and coaches take a serious look if the way we are doing it is the right way. Does the ability to for sure fill a schedule outweigh not having a realistic chance to get more teams in the tournaments for all the sports that play such a conference-weighted schedule (basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball).
Does it lead to a split of the conference? Does it lead to less conference games? Do you remain status quo? Those are the questions that will have to be answered in the future.
The thing is nothing would change for at least another year, because you couldn't schedule more non-conference games for next year at this point of the year.
Quote from: hsusid on March 07, 2008, 10:05:36 PM
Looks like all of the questionable Pool C's got beat in the first round. Without trying to sound like Dickie V, common sense should be a criteria. No nine loss team should ever be in the tournament as an at-large selection.
Gustavus, Albright, New Jersey, William Patterson.
Bowdoin won.
New Jersey won.
Bowdoin might have been questionable from a NESCAC perspective (we have higher standards), but the Polar Bears were far more worthy than any non-qualifying team from another conference or region, especially the south.
Pool C Berths (21):
Albright--MAC-C: LOST to Mount St Mary 62-75
Bowdoin--NESCAC: Def. Bridgewater St 64-49
Brandeis--UAA: Def. Southern Maine 74-71
George Fox--NWC: Def. Chapman 71-55
Gustavus Adolphus--MIAC: LOST to Simpson 64-73
Marymount (Va.)--CAC: LOST to Salem State 63-73
McMurry--ASC: Def. Trinity TX 71-67
New Jersey--NJAC: Def. Bridgewater VA 65-52
Oglethorpe--SCAC: Def. Piedmont 91-78
Rochester--UAA: Def. E.ConnSt 71-66
Salem State--MASCAC: Def. Marymount 73-63
Southern Maine--LEC: LOST to Brandeis 71-74
St. Thomas--MIAC: LOST to Chicago 59-62
Trinity (Texas)--SCAC: LOST to McMurry 67-71
Tufts--NESCAC: Def. Wheaton MA 71-67
UW-Eau Claire--WIAC: Def. Carleton 61-52
UW-Whitewater--WIAC: Def. Manchester 77-60
Washington U.--UAA: Def. Wilmington 73-72
Wilmington--OAC: LOST to Washington U (StL) 72-73
William Paterson--NJAC: LOST to St Lawrence 57-64
William Smith--LL: Def. Colby-Sawyer 76-72
Record vs Pool A -- 8-4
Record vs Pool B -- 1-0
Record vs Pool C -- 4-4
Corrections appreciated
Pool C -- Second round Scores
Bowdoin--NESCAC: LOST to Amherst 60-61
Brandeis--UAA: LOST to Kean 61-95
George Fox--NWC: Def. Puget Sound 72-66
McMurry--ASC: LOST at Howard Payne 64-79.
New Jersey--NJAC: LOST at Mary Washington 50-56.
Oglethorpe--SCAC: Def. Thomas More 65-55.
Rochester--UAA: Def. Medaille 69-50.
Salem State--MASCAC: LOST to DeSales 55-74.
Tufts--NESCAC: Def. Mount St Mary 54-38
UW-Eau Claire--WIAC: LOST to Simpson 63-70
UW-Whitewater--WIAC: Def. Illinois Wesleyan 87-63
Washington U.--UAA: LOST to DePauw 66-73
William Smith--LL: Def. Brockport State 78-73.
Record vs Pool A -- 6-7 Second Round
Record vs Pool A -- 14-11 Overall
Corrections appreciated
Quote from: hsusid on March 07, 2008, 10:56:13 PM
Not that it would have happened that way, but it would have been nice to have that chance. The geography was for sure there. I have no doubt we would have beaten all four of those teams listed above and maybe about 30 more teams in the tournament - but what can you do. That is the system we have.
It doesn't look like we (meaning the ASC) will ever get a bubble pool C bid with the new set up. The 15-team conference will not allow that, even if all 15 teams went 4 or 5-0 in non-conference against DIII foes. The smaller conferences, especially the ones that are over multiple regions for sure have the advantage now. That is why you see four from UAA and three from the SCAC.
...
hsusid, I think that HSU would have received a Pool C bid, if the Cowgirls had beaten Trinity TX. That might have boosted you above TU with the head-to-head.
However, that was Coach Briggs second game with her "new" team.
Pool C -- Third and fourth round (Sectional) Scores
George Fox--NWC: LOST to Hope 40-47
Oglethorpe--SCAC: Def. Wm Smith 69-63; Def. Kean at Kean 98-86.
Rochester--UAA: LOST at Messiah 61-73.
Tufts--NESCAC: Def. Mary Washington 48-45; LOST at Messiah 49-55.
UW-Whitewater--WIAC: Def. Simpson 96-69. Def. DePauw 83-80
William Smith--LL: LOST to Oglethorpe 63-69.
Record vs Pool A -- 4-3 Third and Fourth Rounds
Record vs Pool A -- 18-14 Overall
Record vs Pool B -- 1-0 Overall
Record vs Pool C -- 1-1 Third Round
Record vs Pool C -- 5-5 Overall
Record in the playoffs -- 24-19 Overall
Corrections appreciated
Pool C -- Final Four Scores
Oglethorpe--SCAC: LOST to Messiah, 60-80; LOST to UW-Whitewater 67-80.
UW-Whitewater--WIAC: LOST to Howard Payne 59-69; Def. Oglethorpe 80-67.
Record vs Pool A -- 0-2 Finals.
Record vs Pool A -- 18-16 Overall
Record vs Pool B -- 1-0 Overall
Record vs Pool C -- 1-1 Finals (This game occurred in the Third Place Game, UWW vs. Oglethorpe)
Record vs Pool C -- 6-6 Overall
Record in the playoffs -- 25-22 Overall
Corrections appreciated
Regional Rankings for women begin on Feb 11th. There will be 6 women's teams ranked in each region, except for the Northeast which will rank 8 teams.
There are 20 Pool C bids this season to go with 40 Pool A conferences and 3 Pool B bids.
2009 Women's Basketball Handbook (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2009/3_wbasketball_handbook.pdf)
Pabegg--
I appreciate your numbers and analysis of the Pool C side for the men's bracket very much. I wonder if you could do the same for the women's side of the NCAA tournament so that I can get a picture of the women's DIII national scene? Thank you in advance if you can do it.
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Update from the 2/2/2009 revision.
2008-09 Division III Women's Basketball Sponsorship Data
Division III institutions sponsoring women's basketball: 436
Provisional institutions (not eligible for the championship): 13
Declared NAIA (not eligible for the NCAA championship): 2
Institutions eligible for NCAA championship: 419
Conferences meeting automatic qualifying requirements: 40
Eligible teams in automatic-qualifying conferences: 385
Pool B teams: 34
Access ratio (eligible teams in AQ conferences/# of AQ conferences:
1:9.625
No change in bid allocation (40A' 3 B's 20 C's)
University of Dallas women are not listed as affiliating with the NEAC this season.
Presentation is not desginated as a provisional member in the UMAC.
The Landmark Conference, the New England Collegiate Conference and the Upper Midwest Athletic Conference are not designated as provisional (Pool B) conferences.
There is no listing of Pool B teams, teams declaring for the NAIA or , or provisional members in the handbook.
I have not found any other errors at this time.
Good comments by Mark Simon on Hoopsville.
Remember that your team will get a tourney loss, but 5 in-region losses seem to the threshold for getting a Pool C bid.
Regional rankings released:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/11/ncaa-regional-rankings
Women's regional rankings
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 20-1 20-1 CAC Pool A
2. Kean 16-3 18-4 NJAC Pool A
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 16-3 16-4 SKY Pool A
4. The College of New Jersey 17-4 18-4 NJAC Pool C
5. Marymount (Va.) 16-3 17-4 CAC Pool C
6. Staten Island 15-3 17-5 CUNYAC Pool A
Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 18-0 20-0 CCIW Pool A
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 19-2 WIAC Pool A
3. UW-Whitewater 16-3 18-3 WIAC Pool C
4. Washington U. 14-4 16-4 UAA Pool C (Pool A assigned to Rochester)
5. UW-Eau Claire 15-3 19-3 WIAC Pool C
6. St. Norbert 15-2 16-4 MWC Pool A
Concordia-WI has the best record in the NATHC.
Maryville MO leads the SLIAC.
East Region
1. Rochester 19-1 19-1 UAA Pool A
2. New York U. 17-3 17-3 UAA Pool C
3. Stevens 17-3 17-3 E8 Pool A
4. Union 15-2 15-5 LL Pool A
5. Cortland State 16-3 17-3 SUNYAC Pool A
6. Oneonta State 14-3 16-4 SUNYAC Pool C
D'Youville has the highest W/L Percentage in the NEAC.
Great Lakes Region
1. DePauw 11-2 19-3 SCAC Pool C (Pool A assigned to Oglethorpe)
2. Hope 14-1 18-1 MIAA Pool A
3. Washington and Jefferson 15-2 19-2 Pres AC Pool A
4. Thomas More 16-2 19-2 Pres AC Pool A
5. Capital 15-3 15-4 OAC Pool A
6. Baldwin-Wallace 13-4 16-5 OAC Pool C
Pitt-Greenburg leads the AMCC.
Anderson leads the HCAC.
Denison leads the NCAC.
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Messiah 18-2 20-2 MACC Pool A
2. Moravian 16-4 18-4 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 18-3 18-3 CC Pool A
4. DeSales 17-4 17-4 MACF Pool A
5. Scranton 16-4 17-4 LAND Pool B
6. Cabrini 14-4 16-4 CSAC Pool A
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 20-1 21-1 NESCAC Pool A
2. Tufts 17-3 17-3 NESCAC Pool C
3. Brandeis 12-6 13-6 UAA Pool C
4. Bowdoin 17-4 18-4 NESCAC Pool C
5. Eastern Connecticut State 19-2 19-2 LEC Pool A
6. Western Connecticut State 16-3 17-3 LEC Pool C
7. Keene State 15-4 17-4 LEC Pool C
8. Nichols 19-2 19-2 CCC Pool A
Emmanuel leads the GNAC.
Husson leads the NAC.
Westfield State leads the MASCAC.
WPI leads the NEWMAC.
South Region
1. Oglethorpe 15-2 19-2 SCAC Pool A
2. Texas-Dallas 18-2 18-3 ASC Pool A
3. Greensboro 17-0 18-1 USAC Pool A
4. Roanoke 18-2 19-2 ODAC Pool A
5. McMurry 15-3 17-4 ASC Pool C
6. Mississippi College 17-3 18-3 ASC Pool C
Maryville TN leads the GSAC.
West Region
1. George Fox 16-0 21-0 NWC Pool A
2. St. Benedict 18-3 18-3 MIAC Pool A
3. Concordia-Moorhead 14-4 15-6 MIAC Pool C
4. Simpson 15-3 19-3 IIAC Pool A
5. La Verne 14-3 16-4 SCIAC Pool A
6. Chapman 13-6 16-7 Ind Pool B
The current "leaders" in all 40 women's conferences are identified.
This list accounts for all 3 Pool B bids, (Moravian, Scranton and Chapman).
There are also 18 Pool C teams in this Regional Ranking. (There are 20 Pool C bids in 2009.)
(Corrections appreciated.)
Corrections to the East Region (Thanks to the poster who contacted me off-line.)
Ithaca 11-2 14-5 15-7 After beating Stevens on 2/10
Utica 10-2 15-5 16-5 After beating Hartwick on 2/10
Stevens 9-3 17-4 17-4 After losing to Ithaca on 2/10
Stevens is looking like a possible Pool C bid. (Conference/in-region/overall)
That raises the number of Pool C bids to 19.
Ralph can you explain to me, how the Pools work with the at large bids and all please. I just dont understand them and how it works.
Playoff FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament)
After the Pool A bids have been awarded by the conferences, whether by regular season finish as done in the UAA, or by post-season tourney, the remaining teams are evaluated by the criteria that are listed in the Handbook.
For the women, there are 20 Pool C bids to be awarded.
As I posted on the board this week, if your team is not listed in this week's regional rankings, then my best advice is to win your conference.
About which team are you most concerned? Greensboro?
To add to Ralph's thoughts on the regional rankings... if your team is ranked near the bottom of those regional rankings, you should win your conference as well. You can't risk losing another game and hoping there is enough room in the tournament to include you.
Yes that is who i follow. So what you are saying, is that everyone that does not get the AQ from the conf. that they play in goes into pool b or c.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
Playoff FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament)
After the Pool A bids have been awarded by the conferences, whether by regular season finish as done in the UAA, or by post-season tourney, the remaining teams are evaluated by the criteria that are listed in the Handbook.
For the women, there are 20 Pool C bids to be awarded.
As I posted on the board this week, if your team is not listed in this week's regional rankings, then my best advice is to win your conference.
About which team are you most concerned? Greensboro?
Pat,
I commented on today's Daily Dose concerning the regional rankings that all of Scranton's games should be in-region; if true, since this might affect the ranking, both now and the future unpublished one which is used for Pool B/C selections, seedings, hosting, etc., who should notify the NCAA committee, Scranton's SID or AD or you, and should they publish an update to acknowledge the error?
Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. York (Pa.) 22-1 22-1 Capital AC
2. Kean 17-4 19-5 NJAC
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 19-3 19-4 SKY
4. TCNJ 18-4 20-4 NJAC -- C
5. Marymount (Va.) 18-3 19-4 Capital AC -- C
6. Mary Washington 16-5 18-5 Capital AC -- C
Unranked Pool A's (1): CUNYAC
Central Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Ill. Wesleyan 20-0 22-0 CCIW
2. Wis.-Whitewater 18-3 20-3 WIAC
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 19-3 20-3 WIAC -- Pool C
4. Washington-St. Louis 16-4 18-4 UAA (Currently leading the UAA)
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 15-4 19-4 WIAC -- Pool C
6. St. Norbert 17-2 18-4 MWC
Unranked Pool A's (2): NATHC. SLAIC
East Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Rochester 20-2 20-2 UAA -- Pool C
2. New York U. 18-4 18-4 UAA -- Pool C
3. Cortland St. 18-3 19-3 SUNYAC
4. Union (N.Y.) 16-4 16-6 LL
5. Oneonta St. 16-4 18-5 SUNYAC -- Pool C
6. Ithaca 14-6 15-8 E8
Unranked Pool A's (1): NEAC
Great Lakes Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Hope 16-1 20-1 MIAA
2. Thomas More 17-2 21-2 Pres AC
3. DePauw 13-3 19-4 SCAC -- Pool C (Oglethorpe leads the SCAC)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 16-3 20-3 Pres AC -- Pool C
5. Transylvania 16-3 18-5 HCAC
6. Capital 16-4 16-5 OAC
Unranked Pool A's (2): AMCC, NCAC
Mid-Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Moravian 18-4 20-4 LAND -- B
2. Muhlenberg 20-3 20-3 CC
3. DeSales 19-4 19-4 MACF
4. Messiah 18-3 20-3 MACC
5. Scranton 17-4 20-4 LAND -- B
6. Alvernia 15-5 16-7 CSAC MACF* -- Pool C
Unranked Pool A's (1): Colonial States AC
Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Amherst 22-1 23-1 NESCAC
2. Tufts 19-3 19-3 NESCAC -- Pool C
3. Brandeis 14-6 15-6 UAA -- Pool C
4. Bowdoin 19-4 20-4 NESCAC -- Pool C
5. Eastern Conn. St. 21-2 21-2 LEC
6. Western Conn. St. 17-4 18-4 LEC -- Pool C
7. Southern Me. 17-4 18-5 LEC -- Pool C
8. Keene St. 16-5 18-5 LEC -- Pool C
Unranked Pool A's (5): CCC, GNAC; MASCAC; NAC; NEWMAC
South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Oglethorpe 16-2 21-2 SCAC
2. Texas-Dallas 20-2 20-3 ASC
3. Greensboro 20-0 21-1 USAC
4. Roanoke 19-2 21-2 ODAC
5. Randolph-Macon 15-4 18-5 ODAC -- Pool C
6. McMurry 16-4 18-5 ASC -- Pool C
Unranked Pool A's (1): GSAC
West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. George Fox 18-0 23-0 NWC
2. St. Benedict 20-3 20-3 MIAC
3. Concordia-M'head 15-5 16-7 MIAC -- Pool C
4. Simpson 16-3 20-3 IIAC
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 17-6 17-6 MIAC -- Pool C
6. La Verne 15-4 17-5 SCIAC
Unranked Pool A's (none).
Ranked Pool A conferences: 28 27
Unranked Pool A conferences: 12 13
Ranked Pool B teams: 2
Unranked Pool B teams: 1
Ranked Pool C teams: 20 21
The question that the followers of Pool C teams from regions other than the Northeast is whether their unranked team is better than the ranked teams that will still be "on the table" when the selection process occurs.
Thanks to Mailsy for the Alvernia correction. (Doesn't Alvernia travel to the Commonwealth next season? )
Corrections are always appreciated! ;)
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
Pat,
I commented on today's Daily Dose concerning the regional rankings that all of Scranton's games should be in-region; if true, since this might affect the ranking, both now and the future unpublished one which is used for Pool B/C selections, seedings, hosting, etc., who should notify the NCAA committee, Scranton's SID or AD or you, and should they publish an update to acknowledge the error?
Catholic is outside the 200-mile radius for Scranton and if the NCAA doesn't give the Landmark a waiver without an automatic bid then that's not a regional game.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2009, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
Pat,
I commented on today's Daily Dose concerning the regional rankings that all of Scranton's games should be in-region; if true, since this might affect the ranking, both now and the future unpublished one which is used for Pool B/C selections, seedings, hosting, etc., who should notify the NCAA committee, Scranton's SID or AD or you, and should they publish an update to acknowledge the error?
Catholic is outside the 200-mile radius for Scranton and if the NCAA doesn't give the Landmark a waiver without an automatic bid then that's not a regional game.
The handbook doesn't distinguish between whether your conference has an AQ or not; the games were in region last year according to the regional rankings link on your home page; all conference games are supposed to be in-region. They also beat Kean last week in a reschedule of a postponed game that also wasn't included in the ranking.
Except that since the Landmark is new, it may not be recognized as a conference.
This is something for Scranton to bring up with the Landmark or Pool B regional rep on the committee.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2009, 10:01:35 PM
Except that since the Landmark is new, it may not be recognized as a conference.
This is something for Scranton to bring up with the Landmark or Pool B regional rep on the committee.
Thanks for your consideration/suggestion; I'll pass it on to Scranton.
Ralph,
Alvernia is in the MAC Freedom not CSAC. Cabrini is and they aren't in the 6th spot this week. ???
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC (losers to Widener 60-57)
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF (losers to Manhattanville, 70-65)
Our first and second Pool C teams in the wait-and-worry room.
Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1 CAC
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4 SKY
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4 NJAC Advances to Finals (67-47 over WPU)
4. Kean 18-5 20-6 NJAC Pool C Advances to Finals (76-55 over MSU)
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5 CAC Pool C
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5 CAC Pool C
Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 21-0 24-0 CCIW
2. Washington-St. Louis 18-4 20-4 UAA Pool A
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3 WIAC
4. Wis.-Whitewater 20-3 22-3 WIAC Pool C
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 17-4 21-4 WIAC Pool C
6. St. Norbert 18-2 19-4 MWC
East Region
1. Rochester 21-3 21-3 UAA Pool C (WashStL has AQ)
2. New York U. 20-4 20-4 UAA Pool C
3. Cortland St. 21-3 22-3 SUNYAC
4. Union (N.Y.) 18-4 18-6 LL
5. Oneonta St. 17-4 19-5 SUNYAC Pool C
6. Ithaca 16-6 17-8 E8
Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 18-1 22-1 MIAA
2. Thomas More 19-2 23-2 Pres AC
3. DePauw 15-3 21-4 SCAC (Oglethorpe leads SCAC-West)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 18-3 22-3 Pres AC Pool C
5. Transylvania 18-3 20-5 HCAC
6. Capital 18-4 18-5 OAC
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 23-1 24-1 NESCAC
2. Tufts 21-3 21-3 NESCAC Pool C
3. Brandeis 16-6 17-6 UAA Pool C
4. Bowdoin 20-4 21-4 NESCAC Pool C
5. Eastern Conn. St. 23-2 23-2 LEC
6. Western Conn. St. 19-4 20-4 LEC Pool C
7. Southern Me. 18-5 19-6 LEC Pool C
8. Keene St. 17-6 19-6 LEC Pool C
South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3 SCAC (leads SCAC-East)
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1 USAC
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4 ASC
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3 ASC Pool C
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3 ODAC
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5 ODAC Pool C
West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0 NWC
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3 MIAC
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3 IIAC
4. Concordia-M'head 17-5 18-7 MIAC Pool C
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 18-7 18-7 MIAC Pool C
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6 SCIAC
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis
Ralph,
Scranton, Moravian, and DeSales win in semis.
Quote from: ronk on February 25, 2009, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis
Ralph,
Scranton, Moravian, and DeSales win in semis.
Thanks. I think that Scranton and Moravian are locks for Pool B.
Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4
4. Kean 18-5 20-6
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5
Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 21-0 24-0
2. Washington-St. Louis 18-4 20-4
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3
4. Wis.-Whitewater 20-3 22-3 Lost to UW-Eau Claire in Seims
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 17-4 21-4
6. St. Norbert 18-2 19-4
East Region
1. Rochester 21-3 21-3
2. New York U. 20-4 20-4
3. Cortland St. 21-3 22-3
4. Union (N.Y.) 18-4 18-6
5. Oneonta St. 17-4 19-5
6. Ithaca 16-6 17-8
Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 18-1 22-1
2. Thomas More 19-2 23-2
3. DePauw 15-3 21-4 (Oglethorpe leads the SCAC)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 18-3 22-3
5. Transylvania 18-3 20-5
6. Capital 18-4 18-5
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 Lost in Semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 Lost in Semis
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 23-1 24-1
2. Tufts 21-3 21-3
3. Brandeis 16-6 17-6
4. Bowdoin 20-4 21-4
5. Eastern Conn. St. 23-2 23-2
6. Western Conn. St. 19-4 20-4
7. Southern Me. 18-5 19-6
8. Keene St. 17-6 19-6
South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5
West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3
4. Concordia-M'head 17-5 18-7
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 18-7 18-7
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6
I have stricken the highest ranked team from each conference and have assumed that they will earn the Pool A bid. There are 26 Pool conferences represented. 14 conferences not on the list have Pool A bids.
The remaining 22 teams are contending for the 20 Pool C bids.
Corrections appreciated.
Here is some perspective on the ASC.
The Conference went to an 8-team format in 2005. The East has not beaten a West team since 2006. That means that the East #1 has lost to the West #4 in each of the last three tourneys.
The record since the beginning of this format in tourney games since 2005 is West winning 20 games, East 3 games. No ASC-East team has appeared in the conference tourney finals since 2003 (in the four-team format).
Last week, the criteria for Regional Rankings had UT-Dallas and Mississippi College ranked in the 6 South Region teams. The top ASC-West teams just seem to beat each other up.
Those facts are not in the criteria, but the last 2 South Region teams to make the Final Four were HSU in 2006 as a Pool C and undefeated HPU in 2008.
I encourage fans to catch the UMHB-HSU videostream at 1:30 and the McM-HPU game at 4pm.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2009, 01:18:19 AM
Here is some perspective on the ASC.
The Conference went to an 8-team format in 2005. The East has not beaten a West team since 2006. That means that the East #1 has lost to the West #4 in each of the last three tourneys.
The record since the beginning of this format in tourney games since 2005 is West winning 20 games, East 3 games. No ASC-East team has appeared in the conference tourney finals since 2003 (in the four-team format).
Last week, the criteria for Regional Rankings had UT-Dallas and Mississippi College ranked in the 6 South Region teams. The top ASC-West teams just seem to beat each other up.
Those facts are not in the criteria, but the last 2 South Region teams to make the Final Four were HSU in 2006 as a Pool C and undefeated HPU in 2008.
I encourage fans to catch the UMHB-HSU videostream at 1:30 and the McM-HPU game at 4pm.
Ralph,
I don't think the last two seasons will have anything to do with this year's Pool C selection. UTD went 8-0 against the West and MC went 6-2 this year. UTD beat McMurry and Hardin-Simmons on the road this year, and also beat Howard Payne by 22 at home. MC beat HSU on the road this year and lost very close games to Howard Payne and McMurry also on the road.
I don't think the last three years has anything to do with this year's tournament. If UTD and MC have better criteria for this year, then they should be selected as Pool C's. If HSU, McMurry or HPU have better criteria, then they should earn selection as well. The west had a better tourney showing this year, MC and UTD had more impressive regular seasons.
I agree Chris. Like I said on the other thread if 2 teams from the west get in over UTD or MC that will be garbage. I think I will root for HPU to win it all so McM doesn't have a shot either!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1 CAC
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4 SKY
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4 NJAC Advances to Finals (67-47 over WPU)
4. Kean 18-5 20-6 NJAC Pool C Advances to Finals (76-55 over MSU)
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5 CAC Pool C
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5 CAC Pool C
Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 21-0 24-0 CCIW
2. Washington-St. Louis 18-4 20-4 UAA Pool A
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3 WIAC
4. Wis.-Whitewater 20-3 22-3 WIAC Pool C
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 17-4 21-4 WIAC Pool C
6. St. Norbert 18-2 19-4 MWC
East Region
1. Rochester 21-3 21-3 UAA Pool C (WashStL has AQ)
2. New York U. 20-4 20-4 UAA Pool C
3. Cortland St. 21-3 22-3 SUNYAC
4. Union (N.Y.) 18-4 18-6 LL
5. Oneonta St. 17-4 19-5 SUNYAC Pool C
6. Ithaca 16-6 17-8 E8
Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 18-1 22-1 MIAA
2. Thomas More 19-2 23-2 Pres AC
3. DePauw 15-3 21-4 SCAC (Oglethorpe leads SCAC-West)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 18-3 22-3 Pres AC Pool C
5. Transylvania 18-3 20-5 HCAC
6. Capital 18-4 18-5 OAC
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 23-1 24-1 NESCAC
2. Tufts 21-3 21-3 NESCAC Pool C
3. Brandeis 16-6 17-6 UAA Pool C
4. Bowdoin 20-4 21-4 NESCAC Pool C
5. Eastern Conn. St. 23-2 23-2 LEC
6. Western Conn. St. 19-4 20-4 LEC Pool C
7. Southern Me. 18-5 19-6 LEC Pool C
8. Keene St. 17-6 19-6 LEC Pool C
South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3 SCAC (leads SCAC-East)
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1 USAC
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4 ASC
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3 ASC Pool C
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3 ODAC
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5 ODAC Pool C
West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0 NWC
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3 MIAC
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3 IIAC
4. Concordia-M'head 17-5 18-7 MIAC Pool C
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 18-7 18-7 MIAC Pool C
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6 SCIAC
Let's look at what is happening in the South. After "Round #1" we see these outcomes with round #2 in parentheses.
South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3 SCAC Won ODAC QF (Plays Centre)*
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1 USAC Won USA South Semi (Plays at host CNU in Finals)
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4 ASC Lost in ASC QF's
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3 ASC Lost in ASC QF's
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3 ODAC Won ODAC QF (Plays Bridgewater in Semis)
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5 ODAC Won ODAC QF (Plays VWC in semis)
Next "on the table"...
McMurry 18-4 20-5 (only other team to have appeared in any of the 3 Regional Rankings)
Maryville 18-5 18-8 GSAC regular season winner; plays Huntingdon for the AQ.
*DePauw (Great Lakes Region) plays Trinity in SCAC Semis.
What will the Final Rankings look like?
The two ASC finalists will have two more wins that improve all criteria.
I think that we ASC fans need Oglethorpe to win the AQ to push DPU into the top rung of the GL Region's Pool C list. DePauw comes off in the first 8, and the top Pool C from the South is coming off earlier.
POOL C WATCH
I did this mainly for the WIAC board, but I suppose others could benefit from this.
Below are the conferences that get an automatic qualifier with the teams that have regional records similar to or better than the 3 WIAC schools in Pool C contention. The number after the teams record is their strength of schedule ranking. This info is based on games through Wednesday (both record and SOS). I apologize for any errors. Remember, a lot of these teams will get Pool A bids.
Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
Pit Greensburg (18-2), 311
American Southwest Conference
Texas-Dallas (21-3), 211
Mississippi College (21-3), 208
McMurray (18-4), 260
Capital Athletic Conference
York (24-1), 298
Marymount (19-4), 99
Centennial Conference
Muhlenberg (22-3), 82
City University of New York Athletic Conference
Baruch (20-4), 94
Staten Island (18-4), 113
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
IWU (23-0), 80
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Nichols (23-3), 182
Endicott (20-4), 147
Empire 8
None
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Norwich (18-4), 203
Great South Athletic Conference
None
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Transylvania (18-3), 79
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Simpson (18-3), 150
Liberty League
Union (18-4), 88
Little East Conference
Eastern Conn (24-2), 164
Western Conn (20-4), 138
Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference
Westfield State (19-4), 95
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Hope (19-1), 309
Middle Atlantic Commonwealth
Messiah (21-4), 30
Middle Atlantic Freedom
Desales (22-4), 24
Midwest Conference
St. Norbert (18-2), 112
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
St. Bens (22-3), 174
New England Small College Athletic Conference
Amherst (23-1), 49
Bowdoin (20-4), 5
Tufts (21-3), 12
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
None
New Jersey Athletic Conference
New Jersey (21-4), 135
North Atlantic Conference
None
North Coast Athletic Conference
None
North Eastern Athletic Conference
Northern Athletics Conference
Concordia (20-4), 152
Northwest Conference
George Fox (20-0), 252
Ohio Athletic Conference
Capital (20-4), 227
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Roanoke (21-3), 248
Pennsylvania Athletic Conference
Presidents Athletic Conference
Thomas More (20-2), 171
Wash & Jeff (19-3), 121
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Maryville (18-2), 224
Skyline Conference
Mt. St. Mary (21-3), 126
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Occidental (19-4), 339
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Oglethorpe (18-3), 23
Depauw (15-3), 27
State University of New York Athletic Conference
Cortland St. (22-3), 266
Oneonta St. (19-4), 185
University Athletic Association
WashU (18-4), 8
Rochester (21-3), 3
NYU (20-4), 9
Brandeis (16-6)
USA South Athletic Conference
Greensboro (24-0), 272
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
UWSP (21-3), 45
UWW (20-3), 31
UWEC (18-4), 17
IWU vs Carthage, live video...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwu_basketball
Halftime: IWU 35 CC 25
Good news for Pool C hopefuls - IWU wins the AQ by 20.
but bad news for C hopefuls: York lost its AQ by 11. York will gobble up a C slot for sure.
Very belated, and now outdated by today's results, here are my Saturday morning Pool C projections:
There are Locks, 100% in; Probables, 98% in; In Contention, >50% in, and others (which I'm not listing here).
Locks eliminated already (2)
Messiah
UW-Whitewater
Rochester (r/s Sat)
Locks playing conference final (7)
DeSales (F Sat)
Greensboro (F Sat)
Hope (F Sat)
Thomas More (F Sat)
Illinois Wesleyan (F Sat)
UW-Stevens Point (F Sat)
George Fox (F Sat)
Locks playing conference semifinal (7)
Amherst (SF Sat)
Muhlenberg (SF Sat)
Oglethorpe (SF Sat)
Tufts (SF Sat)
DePauw (SF Sat)
This means there are at least 5 and potentially 15 Pool C bids here.
Probables eliminated already (2)
Brandeis (r/s Sat)
New York University (r/s Sat)
Probables playing conference final
Eastern Connecticut (F Sat)
York (Pa.) (F Sat)
Mount St. Mary (F Sat)
Transylvania (F Sat)
St. Norbert (F Sat)
St. Benedict (F Sat)
Simpson (F Sat)
Washington and Jefferson (F Sat)
Probables playing conference final as Pool A underdog (1)
UW-Eau Claire (F Sat)
Probables playing conference semifinal as Pool A underdog (1)
Bowdoin (SF Sat)
Combined, there are at least 9 Pool C bids in the top 2 tiers; in the worst case, they would need 26 bids and 6 of these schools would be out.
In Contention eliminated already (6)
Chicago (r/s Sat)
Western Connecticut
Keene State
Marymount
Mississippi College
Texas-Dallas
In Contention playing each other in conference final (1)
New Jersey (F Sat)
Kean (F Sat)
In Contention playing in conference final (3)
Concordia (Wis.) (F Sat)
Maryville (Mo.) (F Sat)
Capital (F Sat)
In Contention playing in conference final as underdog (1)
Southern Maine (F Sat)
There are at least 8 Pool C bids here, so it is theoretically possible that 3 bids could drop to the next tier, but I'd not count on it.
no pool c needed in the skyline MSMC beat Farmingdale 86-56
Updating pabegg's predictions based on yesterdays results to remove those already winning Pool As and those who have already lost:
Locks eliminated already (6)
Messiah
UW-Whitewater
Rochester
Greensboro
Tufts
DePauw
Locks playing conference final (3)
Amherst (F Sun)
Muhlenberg (F Sun)
Oglethorpe (F Sun)
This means there are at least 6 and potentially 9 Pool C bids here.
Probables eliminated already (7)
Brandeis
New York University
Eastern Connecticut
York (Pa.)
St. Norbert
Washington and Jefferson
UW-Eau Claire
Probables playing conference final as Pool A underdog (1)
Bowdoin (F Sun)
There are at least 7 Pool C bids here and possibly 8.
In Contention eliminated already (7)
Chicago
Western Connecticut
Keene State
Marymount
Mississippi College
Texas-Dallas
Kean
There are at least 7 Pool C bids here.
This list accounts for 24 teams of which 20 are already eliminated. Those in tier 3 (in contention) should start cheering for Amherst, Muhlenberg, and Oglethorpe to win today to make sure their are a couple spots for them to fight over. Should be noted that Bowdoin plays Amherst in that final so one of the two would lose so best case, their would be 14 spots taken by the locks and probables leaving 6 open spots for the in contention tier.
The previous post has the updates that I was about to make. In addition, re-running numbers last night added the following teams into the final consideration.
Baldwin-Wallace
Nichols
Union
Staten Island
Roanoke
Cortland
Here's how I see Pool C contenders, in regional order:
NE: Tufts, Brandeis, Bowdoin, E Conn, W Conn, Keene St, Nichols
EA: Rochester, NYU, Cortland, Union
AT: York PA, Kean, Marymount, Staten Island
MA: Messiah
SO: Greensboro, UTD, Miss College, Roanoke
GL: DePauw, Wash & Jeff, Baldwin-Wallace
CE: UWW, UWEC, St. Norbert, Chicago
WE: Concordia Moorhead
Taking the top fourteen off of the board, we're left with:
NE: W Conn, Keene St, Nichols
EA: Cortland, Union
AT: Kean, Marymount, Staten Island
MA: none
SO: UTD, Miss College, Roanoke
GL: Baldwin-Wallace
CE: Chicago
WE: Concordia Moorhead
I'd guess W Conn, Kean, B-W, Keene State, Chicago, and Marymount, but it's a real close call.
Pabegg,
Would you post your numbers for the women later today? It would be interesting to see how close the pool c's are this year.
Bowdoin wins over Amherst meaning one more Pool C lock is taken.
We posted our projections earlier this afternoon:
http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/09/projected.htm
Pat, I was quite surprised to see Ithaca in your final tournament projections with a C bid - I see that their name has not come up in previous discussion on this board and they are behind other C-hopeful squads like Cortland and Union in the last regional rankings. Was the semifinal win over SJF and the finals loss to Stevens enough to vault them over Cortland (lost in the SUNYAC semis to Potsdam) and Union (lost in LL final to St. Lawrence?)
That in conjunction with Ithaca's regular season win against Cortland turned the tide for us.
OK, thanks. I certainly hope the selection committee sees it your way!
Here are the final numbers run on the women
Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall
NE 16 01 01 0.6609 0.5790 0.5627 Amherst 002 C 1 24-2 25-2
NE 16 02 04 0.6762 0.6484 0.5617 Bowdoin 005 A in 22-4 23-4
NE 16 03 02 0.6590 0.6126 0.5706 Tufts 010 C 4 21-4 21-4
NE 13 04 03 0.6313 0.5341 0.5642 Eastern Connecticut 011 C 5 25-3 25-3
NE 13 05 07 0.6386 0.5951 0.5565 Southern Maine 025 A in 21-5 22-6
NE 90 06 08 0.6496 0.6605 0.5816 Brandeis 035 C 14 16-7 17-7
NE 13 07 10 0.6238 0.6125 0.5503 Keene State 040 C 16 18-7 20-7
NE 13 08 06 0.6050 0.5280 0.5639 Western Connecticut 043 C 17 20-5 21-5
NE 14 09 09 0.5994 0.5201 0.5175 Westfield State 045 A in 21-4 22-4
NE 11 10 05 0.5913 0.5084 0.4966 Nichols 047 C 19 23-4 23-4
NE 12 11 nr 0.6002 0.5655 0.5100 Emmanuel 055 A in 19-6 21-7
EA 90 01 01 0.6805 0.6323 0.5772 Rochester 003 C 2 22-3 22-3
EA 90 02 02 0.6607 0.6183 0.5661 New York University 008 C 3 21-4 21-4
EA 21 03 05 0.6097 0.5472 0.5295 Stevens 037 A in 22-5 22-5
EA 24 04 04 0.6024 0.5419 0.5340 Union 049 C 20 19-5 19-7
EA 23 05 03 0.5827 0.4849 0.5149 Cortland 052 C 23 22-4 23-4
EA 21 06 07 0.5985 0.5829 0.5199 Ithaca 062 C 31 17-7 18-9
EA 23 07 06 0.5796 0.5132 0.5093 Oneonta 064 C 33 18-5 20-6
EA 24 08 nr 0.5868 0.5564 0.5260 St. Lawrence 065 A in 17-7 19-7
EA 21 09 08 0.5805 0.5456 0.5107 Utica 067 C 34 18-7 19-7
AT 33 01 02 0.6145 0.5442 0.4849 Mount St. Mary 021 A in 23-3 23-4
AT 32 02 04 0.6133 0.5318 0.5435 New Jersey 026 A in 22-4 23-4
AT 41 03 01 0.6029 0.4855 0.5146 York (Pa.) 029 C 11 25-2 25-2
AT 31 04 07 0.6046 0.5396 0.4991 Baruch 036 A in 21-4 23-5
AT 32 05 06 0.6131 0.5775 0.5372 Kean 039 C 15 19-6 21-7
AT 41 06 08 0.6067 0.5578 0.5036 Mary Washington 041 A in 21-5 23-5
AT 31 07 03 0.5914 0.5278 0.4919 Staten Island 053 C 24 18-4 20-6
AT 41 08 05 0.5986 0.5461 0.5107 Marymount 054 C 25 19-5 20-6
AT 32 09 09 0.6024 0.5960 0.5251 William Paterson 060 C 29 18-8 19-8
MA 46 01 03 0.6834 0.6614 0.5587 Scranton 004 B 1 23-4 23-4
MA 43 02 04 0.6443 0.5970 0.5314 DeSales 012 A in 23-4 23-4
MA 45 03 02 0.6238 0.5477 0.5110 Muhlenberg 014 A in 24-3 24-3
MA 42 04 01 0.6396 0.5839 0.5508 Messiah 019 C 8 21-4 22-4
MA 46 05 05 0.6465 0.6307 0.5647 Moravian 027 B 2 19-6 21-6
MA 44 06 06 0.6046 0.5392 0.4998 Cabrini 038 A in 21-4 23-4
MA 42 07 07 0.6009 0.6070 0.5497 Albright 071 C 38 16-9 17-9
MA 42 08 nr 0.5880 0.5597 0.5528 Widener 072 A in 17-8 18-9
MA 44 09 09 0.5773 0.5523 0.5008 Gwynedd-Mercy 076 19-8 19-8
SO 54 01 02 0.6528 0.6026 0.5364 Oglethorpe 006 A in 20-3 25-3
SO 55 02 01 0.6141 0.4999 0.4953 Greensboro 017 C 6 25-1 26-2
SO 53 03 06 0.6045 0.5357 0.5131 Randolph-Macon 042 A in 20-4 23-5
SO 51 04 08 0.6003 0.5411 0.5043 Howard Payne 048 A in 22-5 23-5
SO 51 05 04 0.5857 0.5000 0.5027 Mississippi College 051 C 22 21-4 22-4
SO 53 06 05 0.5826 0.4868 0.5168 Roanoke 058 C 27 21-4 23-4
SO 51 07 03 0.5822 0.4908 0.5074 Texas-Dallas 059 C 28 21-4 21-5
SO 55 08 nr 0.5770 0.5175 0.4951 Christopher Newport 066 A in 21-6 22-6
SO 54 09 09 0.5951 0.5901 0.5336 Centre 068 C 35 14-7 18-9
GL 65 01 01 0.6203 0.5228 0.5192 Thomas More 013 A in 22-2 26-2
GL 72 02 03 0.6276 0.5611 0.5184 Transylvania 016 A in 20-3 22-5
GL 62 03 02 0.6116 0.4906 0.5106 Hope 022 A in 21-1 25-1
GL 54 04 04 0.6284 0.5906 0.5326 DePauw 028 C 10 16-4 22-5
GL 64 05 07 0.6054 0.5170 0.5417 Capital 032 A in 22-4 22-5
GL 65 06 05 0.6067 0.5424 0.5088 Washington and Jefferson 034 C 13 20-4 24-4
GL 64 07 08 0.6107 0.5809 0.5309 Baldwin-Wallace 044 C 18 18-6 21-7
GL 61 08 06 0.5854 0.4774 0.4777 Pitt-Greensburg 046 A in 20-2 24-2
GL 64 09 09 0.5843 0.5625 0.5200 Wilmington 074 18-8 19-8
MW 71 01 01 0.6600 0.5487 0.5425 Illinois Wesleyan 001 A in 24-0 27-0
MW 86 02 03 0.6448 0.5662 0.5669 UW-Stevens Point 009 A in 22-3 23-3
MW 90 03 06 0.6587 0.6178 0.5730 Washington University 015 A in 19-4 21-4
MW 86 04 05 0.6566 0.6200 0.5602 UW-Eau Claire 018 C 7 19-4 23-4
MW 86 05 02 0.6449 0.5919 0.5625 UW-Whitewater 020 C 9 20-4 22-4
MW 74 06 04 0.6053 0.5326 0.4924 St. Norbert 030 C 12 19-3 20-5
MW 73 07 08 0.6078 0.5425 0.5064 Concordia (Wis.) 031 A in 21-4 22-5
MW 76 08 07 0.6002 0.5103 0.4708 Maryville (Mo.) 033 A in 20-2 22-5
MW 90 09 09 0.6180 0.6085 0.5748 Chicago 050 C 21 17-8 17-8
WE 83 01 01 0.6379 0.5140 0.5239 George Fox 007 A in 22-0 27-0
WE 81 02 03 0.6157 0.5346 0.5239 Simpson 023 A in 20-3 24-3
WE 82 03 02 0.6118 0.5227 0.5129 St. Benedict 024 A in 24-3 24-3
WE 84 04 04 0.5787 0.4795 0.4862 Occidental 057 A in 20-3 22-5
WE 82 05 06 0.5723 0.5324 0.5160 Concordia-Moorhead 081 17-7 18-9
WE 82 06 05 0.5741 0.5370 0.5188 St. Thomas 084 19-8 19-8
WE 84 07 07 0.5661 0.5304 0.4765 La Verne 088 16-6 19-7
WE 83 08 nr 0.5758 0.5797 0.5190 Puget Sound 098 15-9 18-9
WE 84 09 08 0.5462 0.4897 0.4854 Redlands 106 18-7 19-7
Reg Region
Conf Conference number
Rank Regional ranking
Prior Prior regional ranking
School
Natl National ranking based on regional results
Status
B + number: Pool B ranking (top 3 in tournament)
C + number: Pool C ranking of 18 teams in tournament
C second: second tier Pool C (spots 21-30)
C third: third tier Pool C (spots 31-40)
A in: clinched Pool A bid
blank: lower level Pool C
Thanks for the numbers. One correction though. Howard Payne is in Pool A after winning the ASC conference tournament.
Quote from: dballa on March 02, 2009, 10:34:03 AM
Thanks for the numbers. One correction though. Howard Payne is in Pool A after winning the ASC conference tournament.
Fixed.
http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbbbracket2009.pdf
Final Tally --
18 Pool C picks out of 20. Cortland State instead of Ithaca (from the East Region) and Mississippi College instead of UT-Dallas (out of the ASC).
Time to re-open this thread, since the first regional rankings were released today.
IWU has done something that I wonder if it is unprecedented for either the women or the men - they have beaten every one of the other teams ranked in the Central region! (Though they also lost to #2 Carthage.)
Can anyone recall a team beating all the other ranked teams in their region? (My guess would be that it is vanishingly rare to have even played them all.)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 03, 2010, 05:36:17 PM
Time to re-open this thread, since the first regional rankings were released today.
IWU has done something that I wonder if it is unprecedented for either the women or the men - they have beaten every one of the other teams ranked in the Central region! (Though they also lost to #2 Carthage.)
Can anyone recall a team beating all the other ranked teams in their region? (My guess would be that it is vanishingly rare to have even played them all.)
It would have to be a relative compact region dominated by just a few teams or one league, e.g. the NJAC or the MAC-F/MAC-C.
My thought is that it may have occurred in the Atlantic Region before.
Atlantic Region
1. Kean 19-0 20-1 NJAC-South
2. William Paterson 20-1 20-1 NJAC-North
3. Mary Washington 12-2 14-3 CAC
4. Marymount 16-1 19-1 CAC
5. Farmingdale State 18-0 18-0 SKY
6. Mount Saint Mary 13-4 14-4 SKY
(No CUNYAC team is ranked.)
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 15-1 18-1 CCIW
2. Carthage 13-2 16-3 CCIW
3. Washington U. 13-2 16-2 UAA
4. UW-Stevens Point 15-3 17-3 WIAC
5. UW-Whitewater 13-4 14-5 WIAC
6. Chicago 13-5 13-5 UAA
No MWC, NATHC or SLIAC team is ranked
East Region
1. Ithaca 15-2 15-4 E8
2. Skidmore 13-2 14-3 LL
3. Rochester 13-3 15-3 UAA
4. Medaille 17-1 18-2 AMCC
5. Utica 14-3 15-3 E8
6. Cortland State 14-3 15-3 SUNYAC
No NEAC team is ranked.
Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 15-0 18-1 MIAA
2. Washington and Jefferson 16-1 17-2 PresAC
3. Thomas More 17-1 17-2 Pres AC
4. Calvin 13-1 18-2 MIAA
5. DePauw 14-2 17-3 SCAC-North
6. Baldwin-Wallace 13-3 15-4 OAC
No HCAC or NCAC team is regionally ranked.
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Moravian 17-2 18-2 LAND
2. Lebanon Valley 18-0 18-1 MACC
3. Messiah 13-1 16-2 MACC
4. Scranton 15-3 17-3 LAND
5. Muhlenberg 14-3 14-3 CC
6. Gettysburg 16-2 16-2 CC
McDaniel leads the Centennial at 14-2 in conference.
No CSAC or MACF team is ranked.
Northeast Region
1. Amherst 19-0 19-0 NESCAC
2. Tufts 15-1 18-2 NESCAC
3. Williams 16-3 16-4 NESCAC
4. Emmanuel 12-4 14-4 GNAC
5. Bowdoin 12-4 15-4 NESCAC
6. Colby 12-3 15-3 NESCAC
7. Western Connecticut 16-3 17-3 LEC
8. Eastern Connecticut 13-5 13-5 LEC
9. Keene State 13-5 13-6 LEC
10. University of New England 14-4 15-4 CCC
No MASCAC, NAC, or NEWMAC team is listed.
South Region
1. Christopher Newport 17-0 18-0 USAC
2. Hendrix 12-3 14-3 SCAC-South
3. Roanoke 14-2 16-2 ODAC
4. Trinity (Texas) 12-4 14-5 SCAC-South
5. Louisiana College 12-2 15-2 ASC-East
6. Randolph-Macon 13-4 13-4 ODAC
No GSAC team is ranked.
West Region
1. George Fox 11-1 17-2 NWC
2. Puget Sound 11-2 16-3 NWC
3. Cal Lutheran 14-3 14-4 SCIAC
4. Gustavus Adolphus 15-2 15-3 MIAC
5. Simpson 13-2 18-3 IIAC
6. Concordia-Moorhead 13-4 13-5 MIAC
No Pool B team is regionally ranked.
Amherst has a chance to do that if they beat Tufts this weekend as they have beaten everyone else this season in the region. Do not play U of New England, but there are 10 schools in New England Region.
Anyone have some insight on how Carthage might come out ahead of Wash U in the regional rankings. They are a great team, and I know they beat IWU at Carthage, but they also lost to IWU at IWU by 28. Wash U lost to IWU at IWU as well but only by 5. They are 2-1 against Central Region regionally ranked opponents while Wash U is 1-1, and they are 4-1 against all regionally ranked opponents while Wash U is 3-2. I am not sure how the Quality of Wins Index would shake out. What jumps out to me though is how they fared against common opponents. As mentioned, Wash U played IWU much closer at IWU than Carthage did, Wash U beat Elmhurst at Elmhurst while Carthage lost to Elmhurst at home, Wash U beat Chicago by a good margin while Carthage only won by 2, and their matchups verse North Park and Augustana appear to basically be washes.
Does anyone have any stats on the Quality of Wins portion of the rankings. I am guessing the higher ranking is mostly based on the 4-1 vs 3-2 rating verse regionally ranked opponents. Figure the two are extremely close and it could be shaken out either way without it really being a wrong ranking but just looking for some insight on what the biggest differentiating factor between the two is when they have a lot of similarities in their records and schedules.
Margin of victory is not a criterion.
The front page has updated Strength of Schedule data, both and M and W.
http://www.d3hoops.com/
Please find it on the right siderail half way down.
:)
Thanks Ralph. I know margin of victory isn't a criterion, just mentioning it for comparison. Hadn't noticed the strength of schedule on the right bar. It does bring up how close the teams are in the primary criteria though. Wash U has the better SOS and OOWP while Carthage has a better OWP. And when you bring in the record verse common regional opponents, Wash U comes in at 4-1 vs. Carthage at 5-2. So they are just two very closely matched teams, and I would think the order could be reversed and still be just as justifiable. Wash U has the lead in 2 of the 5 criteria while Carthage has a lead in 1 with 2 being washes but the differences are so slight that it's almost a toss up in my opinion. No doubt they are two quality teams. My guess is that Carthage gets the edge cause they have victories over both IWU and Hope.
2011 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/2011+Women%27s+Basketball+Handbook.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)
Jan. 18, 2011 Revision is the most recent.
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool B = 1 bid
Pool C = 20 bids
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2010, 10:33:59 AM
Margin of victory is not a criterion.
The front page has updated Strength of Schedule data, both and M and W.
http://www.d3hoops.com/
Please find it on the right siderail half way down.
:)
When can we expect to see that this year. I think if we have Regional Rankings coming out this week, those ought to be up there too :)
As Dave McHugh pointed out last night we have a month until the end of the regular season :)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
2011 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/2011+Women%27s+Basketball+Handbook.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)
Jan. 18, 2011 Revision is the most recent.
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool B = 1 bid
Pool C = 20 bids
Perhaps the NCAA should consider one of the following changes:
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool B = Chapman
Pool C = 20 bids
or, if you prefer:
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool Chapman = 1 bid
Pool C = 20 bids
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on January 31, 2011, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
2011 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/2011+Women%27s+Basketball+Handbook.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)
Jan. 18, 2011 Revision is the most recent.
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool B = 1 bid
Pool C = 20 bids
Perhaps the NCAA should consider one of the following changes:
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool B = Chapman
Pool C = 20 bids
or, if you prefer:
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool Chapman = 1 bid
Pool C = 20 bids
;D +1
Oh, great!!!
Here we go again. This should be interesting. Too bad not many Chapman posters on this particular board.
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Yes - the link says "mens" but both regional rankings are posted there.
For your reference, I have reposted Ralph Turner's link to the DIII Women's Basketball Championship Handbook, which I will make note of later-- see page 9 of the handbook for the new addition of "once ranked, always ranked" immediately following the phrase "results vs regionally ranked opponents".
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
2011 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/2011+Women%27s+Basketball+Handbook.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)
Jan. 18, 2011 Revision is the most recent.
Pool A = 43 bids
Pool B = 1 bid
Pool C = 20 bids
Last night, Mr. Ypsi posted a question regarding Illinois Wesleyan vs DePauw on the women's side as to whether or not that game was a primary criteria game. (Of course, he asked the question on the men's side of the Pool C forum, but since this is a women's question, the answer needs to be on the women's Pool C page as well.)
As you may know, Illinois Wesleyan and DePauw are in-region by virtue of the 200 mile rule. Since this is an in-region game, this game counts on the primary criteria of both teams. This week, Illinois Wesleyan is #1 in the Central while DePauw is not regionally ranked in the Great Lakes. However, should DePauw be ranked by the Great Lakes Committee as a regionally ranked team this season, the Illinois Wesleyan win vs DePauw counts as a primary criteria result vs a regionally ranked opponent.
To summarize, if a game falls in-region by virtue of any of the four in-region criteria: (1) Both teams in same defined evaluation region, (2) Both teams are within 200 miles of each other, (3) Both teams are in the same NCAA geographical/administrative region, or (4), both teams are in the same conference and are playing a conference game-- regardless of the location of the conference opponents, then that game will always count in the primary criteria of both teams.
The next question that came up was how one should compute the in-region results vs regionally ranked opponents from week to week. As you know, the DIII women's basketball committee defines a regionally ranked opponent as one that is ranked at the time of the rankings/selection process only, while the DIII men's basketball committee defines a regionally ranked opponent as one that is ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process. In the past, this meant that the men's basketball committee used once ranked, always ranked to compute the results record vs regionally ranked opponets, while the women's basketball committee did not. Every other team sport in DIII used the once ranked, always ranked principle to compute the results vs regionally ranked opponents, putting DIII women's basketball in a unique situation.
To illustrate this, there was the situation of the Williams women's basketball team's games vs RPI and Skidmore from last season. Both of these games are in-region for Williams under the 200 mile rule. Skidmore had been regionally ranked earlier in the season by the East committee, but lost in the Liberty League tournament and dropped out of the East regional rankings. Therefore, Williams's game vs Skidmore no longer counted as a win vs a regionally ranked opponent. However, Williams got a result vs a regionally ranked opponent back the same week when RPI got into the final East region rankings by virtue of winning the Liberty League AQ. This may have been the difference between the NESCAC getting either 4 or 5 teams into last year's NCAA DIII tournament.
This year, the DIII women's basketball committee attempted to correct this problem of results getting dropped out as a result of a regionally ranked opponent falling out of the regional rankings, although the NCAA has not released data yet to indicate whether or not this is the correct solution. While the definition of a regionally ranked opponent has not changed this year in respect to DIII women's hoop, the phrase "once ranked, always ranked" has been put in as a phrase immediately below "results vs regionally ranked teams" in the primary criteria section on page 9. This indicates to me that DIII women's basketball is intending to use the once ranked, always ranked principle this season-- but they could not, for some reason, alter the definition of regionally ranked opponent to indicate this. This seems confusing to me-- I hope that my interpretation of this is correct.
Also, with regard to the DePauw women-- the DePauw women's basketball team has been a Great Lakes team for many years. It is the DePauw men who are still classified as a South region team and who will change to Great Lakes once DePauw joins the NCAC next season.
On another note, the DIII women's basketball committee is not using a home/away/neutral multiplier to the SOS this season-- I believe that this is the best solution for now, since the DIII men's basketball committee's use of a home/away multiplier has come under some controversy.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 03, 2011, 07:40:43 AM
For your reference, I have reposted Ralph Turner's link to the DIII Women's Basketball Championship Handbook, which I will make note of later-- see page 9 of the handbook for the new addition of "once ranked, always ranked" immediately following the phrase "results vs regionally ranked opponents".
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
2011 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/2011+Women%27s+Basketball+Handbook.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)
Jan. 18, 2011 Revision is the most recent.
Page nine of this book also says:
"• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the rankings/selection process only."
This is not once ranked, always ranked. They need to issue one more revision.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2011, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 03, 2011, 07:40:43 AM
For your reference, I have reposted Ralph Turner's link to the DIII Women's Basketball Championship Handbook, which I will make note of later-- see page 9 of the handbook for the new addition of "once ranked, always ranked" immediately following the phrase "results vs regionally ranked opponents".
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2011, 12:22:36 PM
2011 Women's Division III Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb/2011+Women%27s+Basketball+Handbook.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=0312ac804564e6d699f1df90a48a4ecb)
Jan. 18, 2011 Revision is the most recent.
Page nine of this book also says:
"• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the rankings/selection process only."
This is not once ranked, always ranked. They need to issue one more revision.
I also would have preferred changing the definition of "regionally ranked opponent" to make it clear that regionally ranked opponents mean ranked opponents at any time of the rankings/selection process if the women's basketball committee intended to use "once ranked, always ranked" to compute "results vs regionally ranked opponents". Simply adding the phrase "once ranked, always ranked" into the primary criteria without changing the definition of "regionally ranked opponent" only adds to the confusion-- do you now have to present both results against regionally ranked opponents as well as results against "once ranked, always ranked" opponents or is "once ranked, always ranked" sufficient to use as "results vs regionally ranked opponents?"
The other team sports championship handbooks make it clear that the other DIII team championship committees have no problem with "once ranked, always ranked"-- why does DIII women's basketball need to be unique in that problem?
To clarify, line two, the one I cited, is in error. I pointed it out and there will be a revision.
Wow - UW-LaX came from unranked to #3 in the Central in a single week! Beating UWW was impressive, but I'm not sure how they jumped both WashU and Chicago so quickly - both have much better overall and in-region records.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 09, 2011, 10:25:16 PM
Wow - UW-LaX came from unranked to #3 in the Central in a single week! Beating UWW was impressive, but I'm not sure how they jumped both WashU and Chicago so quickly - both have much better overall and in-region records.
This is kind of a Pool B post, but Chapman went from unranked to #2 in the West in a single week. Can a victory over 9-11 La Verne (Chapman's only game last week) really carry that much weight? Something is screwy is NCAA land.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 09, 2011, 10:25:16 PM
Wow - UW-LaX came from unranked to #3 in the Central in a single week! Beating UWW was impressive, but I'm not sure how they jumped both WashU and Chicago so quickly - both have much better overall and in-region records.
First, UW-La Crosse has an in-region head-to-head victory over Chicago: UW-LaCrosse def. Chicago, 62-56, on Nov. 28, 2010. It doesn't matter when in the season that victory took place, as long as that win took place, UW-LaX will probably get a higher spot in the regional rankings vs Chicago this year, assuming all other factors balance out-- as it looks like it has, according to what the NCAA released on Week 2's SOS data.
The NCAA did release their SOS data this week, so we can see the reasoning behind the rankings:
According to the NCAA's listings-- through the games of Sunday, Feb. 6, 2011
1.) UW-La Crosse has an in-region record of 16-5 (.762), a reg. strength of schedule rating of .564 (Avg. OWP of .565, avg OOWP of .561), and a 2-3 (.400) in-region record vs regionally ranked opponents. (Wins vs Chicago and UW-Whitewater, losses vs Coe (#1 West) (Coe in-region via 200 mile rule), UW-Whitewater, and UW-Stevens Point).
2.) Chicago has an in-region mark of 17-3 (.850), a regional strength of schedule rating of .529 (Avg. OWP of .512, avg. OOWP of .565), and a 2-1 in-region mark vs regionally ranked opponents (Wins vs Wash U and Rochester (#2 in East-- UAA), loss to Illinois Wesleyan)
3.) Wash U has an in-region record of 14-2 (.875), a regional strength of schedule rating of .523 (Avg. OWP of .513, avg OOWP of .542), and a 1-2 in-region record vs regionally ranked opponents (Win vs Rochester (#2 in East-- UAA), losses vs Chicago and Illinois Wesleyan)
I can see UW-La Crosse at #3 in Central based on this data.
Chicago's loss vs UW-La Crosse gets factored into next week's calculation of Chicago's in-region record vs regionally ranked opposition, as you only calculate the records once you know who is regionally ranked for the week. The in-region records vs regionally ranked opposition are correct this week, as you only use the teams listed in the Week 1 regional rankings to compile the data for the in-region records this week. Week 3's in-region records vs regionally ranked opposition use the teams listed from week 2's regional rankings-- in addition to the once ranked, always ranked teams that were listed in week 1's regional rankings, but not in week 2's regional rankings, and get released with next week's data.
Note that Chicago and Wash U only have 2 games remaining vs regionally ranked opposition-- Both Chicago and Wash U play at Rochester this weekend, and then Chicago is at Wash U on Feb. 26-- the last day of UAA competition.
UW-La Crosse may have 2 or 3 games remaining vs regionally ranked opposition left-- UW-LaX plays UW-Stevens Point before the WIAC tournament, and then it depends on who UW-LaX plays in the WIAC tournament.
deis,
could you post the sos link?
Quote from: ichouse on February 10, 2011, 06:57:46 AM
deis,
could you post the sos link?
Sure thing. Thanks for reminding me.
Pat Coleman posted these links in the comments section on the Daily Dose for the Week 2 regional rankings, but I have listed these links here in detail as well for those who don't check up on the section. If you have trouble with getting the West Region link up in particular, you can go to the comments section on the Daily Dose and get those there, but I believe that the links that I have put up are correct-- my computer is just having trouble getting the West Region link up with my posted link, but it has no problem getting that page through the Daily Dose comments section.
His comments with the listed links are located under the D3Hoops.com regional rankings page at
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/#comments (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/#comments)
The detailed links for the SOS for each region are:
Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=20&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=20&division=3)
Central Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=35&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=35&division=3)
East Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=10&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=10&division=3)
Great Lakes Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=30&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=30&division=3)
Mid-Atlantic Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=15&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=15&division=3)
Northeast Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=5&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=5&division=3)
South Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=25&division=3 (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=25&division=3)
West Region: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=40&division=3 (http://%20http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=40&division=3)
In the ASC, the highest weight SOS that I can find for a team with a winning percentage is Howard Payne at .519.
The ASC will play 20/21 games by the East/West division members.
You kill you weighted OWP by playing so many conference games.
Large conferences, and isolated conferences are still at a disadvantage.
Thanks, Pat Coleman and Deis, for the links, tho'? +1!
Pat Coleman's caveat about the files.
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Here's what the same URLs look like with men's info in them. However, they are not up to date and they don't appear to have the correct formula for calculating strength of schedule.
I took a look at the men's files this morning. They probably were updated for the correct results after Pat Coleman made his comment last night, but I trust that KnightSlappy and others will go through the data and double-check the figures. I posted my comments on the men's SOS data this morning on the men's Pool C side, but I will await confirmation. Trust, but verify.
Quote from: BlueZoneBruin on February 10, 2011, 01:57:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 09, 2011, 10:25:16 PM
Wow - UW-LaX came from unranked to #3 in the Central in a single week! Beating UWW was impressive, but I'm not sure how they jumped both WashU and Chicago so quickly - both have much better overall and in-region records.
This is kind of a Pool B post, but Chapman went from unranked to #2 in the West in a single week. Can a victory over 9-11 La Verne (Chapman's only game last week) really carry that much weight? Something is screwy is NCAA land.
The West Region is a very geographically isolated region. Once ranked/always ranked St. Benedict (Minnesota IAC), who was ranked at #4 in the West last week, has not played a single regionally ranked opponent.
Chapman, on the other hand, is 1-0 vs regionally ranked opposition this week-- (Head-to-head victory over Lewis & Clark in a holiday tournament). Chapman will improve to 2-0 vs regionally ranked opposition in next week's rankings due to the in-region victory over now regionally ranked UW-La Crosse (#3 in Central-- in-region due to the fact that both teams are in the same geographic/administrative region.)
It is very difficult for a team in the Minnesota IAC, Iowa IAC, Southern California IAC, or Northwest Conference to play out-of conference games vs each other due to the fact that in-region travel between those conferences would require a plane flight. Chapman can play SCIAC teams due to the fact that they are in the same area, but in order for Chapman to play the other West Region conference teams on the road, Chapman would have to fly out to these locations.
What concerns me about this regional-ranking process is the inordinate amount of effect that conference games may have on the rankings.
I find it hard to fathom that a team like Washington U. could actually drop a place in the regional standings, despite having a current healthy winning streak. It shouldn't be penalized for playing a struggling team twice in a season, nor should it be rewarded profusely for playing a tough conference foe. You don't have much choice in this matter...you can't tell your conference that you aren't going to play conference rival Team A, because by doing so your regional ranking will suffer.
Now, if you go out of your way to schedule tough non-conference foes, then you should get beaucoup credit for that; and be penalized for playing softies just to pad an overall and in-region record.
Just my 2 cents, which may be trading at only 1.3 cents in the market of public opnion.
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 10, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
What concerns me about this regional-ranking process is the inordinate amount of effect that conference games may have on the rankings.
I find it hard to fathom that a team like Washington U. could actually drop a place in the regional standings, despite having a current healthy winning streak. It shouldn't be penalized for playing a struggling team twice in a season, nor should it be rewarded profusely for playing a tough conference foe. You don't have much choice in this matter...you can't tell your conference that you aren't going to play conference rival Team A, because by doing so your regional ranking will suffer.
Now, if you go out of your way to schedule tough non-conference foes, then you should get beaucoup credit for that; and be penalized for playing softies just to pad an overall and in-region record.
Just my 2 cents, which may be trading at only 1.3 cents in the market of public opnion.
Actually 2 cents on a neutral floor, 1.2 cents at home, 2.8 cents on the road. ;)
The rankings, both regional (NCAA) and national (D3hoops.com), are not about reward and punishment, they are about evaluation. It's true that Wash U. is tied into playing each conference opponent twice, but since those are their opponents, that's what we have for evaluation of the strength of the team relative to other teams in the region or nation.
To use a clearer example, look at Denison. They remain unbeaten, now sitting at 22-0, but they have played a woeful schedule, due in large part to the fact that they play in a woeful conference. Are they being "punished" by being ranked 4th in the GL and 13th nationally despite being undefeated? No. Are they being "rewarded" for being unbeaten, despite playing no ranked opponents and few good ones? No. They're simply being evaluated on the data available, their results against the teams they have played, and compared to the data available for other regional teams like Calvin and DePauw and other national teams like Chicago and Rochester. Unfortunately for the evaluators, all four of these teams would likely have sailed through Denison's schedule about as successfully as the Big Red have, so their record of 22-0 tells us comparatively little. But that doesn't mean that DU is "punished" for having to play the likes (or dislikes) of Oberlin and Wooster twice, it just means that it's that much harder to compare their results to those of their counterparts with tougher schedules.
Agree with jaybird. It would be nice if they could find some fair way to reward specifically non-conference SoS. You have no way to control the strength of your conference; you DO have the choice of cupcakes or powerhouses in the non-con part of the schedule.
IWU annually schedules arguably the toughest non-con schedule in the country (last year they beat EVERY other team ranked in the Central (plus others?); this year they have played EVERY other team ranked in the Central (beating all but UWW) AND have defeated two teams ranked in other regions. Their SoS is, of course, quite good, but playing in a conference where the bottom half is mediocre at best, not as good as it really ought to be. (This is not, of course, a plea for the Titans currently - if they somehow never won another game until the national tourney, they would still be a likely Pool C team. ;) But for bubble teams, it would be good if they were rewarded for gutsy scheduling.)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 10, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
What concerns me about this regional-ranking process is the inordinate amount of effect that conference games may have on the rankings.
I find it hard to fathom that a team like Washington U. could actually drop a place in the regional standings, despite having a current healthy winning streak. It shouldn't be penalized for playing a struggling team twice in a season, nor should it be rewarded profusely for playing a tough conference foe. You don't have much choice in this matter...you can't tell your conference that you aren't going to play conference rival Team A, because by doing so your regional ranking will suffer.
Now, if you go out of your way to schedule tough non-conference foes, then you should get beaucoup credit for that; and be penalized for playing softies just to pad an overall and in-region record.
Just my 2 cents, which may be trading at only 1.3 cents in the market of public opnion.
Actually 2 cents on a neutral floor, 1.2 cents at home, 2.8 cents on the road. ;)
The women's committee doesn't use a home/away multiplier.... :)
Quote from: deiscanton on February 10, 2011, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 10, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
What concerns me about this regional-ranking process is the inordinate amount of effect that conference games may have on the rankings.
I find it hard to fathom that a team like Washington U. could actually drop a place in the regional standings, despite having a current healthy winning streak. It shouldn't be penalized for playing a struggling team twice in a season, nor should it be rewarded profusely for playing a tough conference foe. You don't have much choice in this matter...you can't tell your conference that you aren't going to play conference rival Team A, because by doing so your regional ranking will suffer.
Now, if you go out of your way to schedule tough non-conference foes, then you should get beaucoup credit for that; and be penalized for playing softies just to pad an overall and in-region record.
Just my 2 cents, which may be trading at only 1.3 cents in the market of public opnion.
Actually 2 cents on a neutral floor, 1.2 cents at home, 2.8 cents on the road. ;)
The women's committee doesn't use a home/away multiplier.... :)
Rimshot!
Thanks!
jaybird, the UAA gets to customize their in-region/out-of-conference schedules more to their favor than any other conference.
Long discussion for another time.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2011, 09:53:18 PM
jaybird, the UAA gets to customize their in-region/out-of-conference schedules more to their favor than any other conference.
Long discussion for another time.
To steal just a little bit of Ralph's thunder (I'm sure he has plenty more!), the UAA spreads across 5(?) regions. The classic 'game the system' strategy is to schedule top teams in weak conferences (they are eminently beatable, but will have good winning records). The NESCAC are masters at this (a weak region, with other teams within 200 miles or in the same administrative region), but no one can compare to the UAA's diversity of regions to plunder.
Ralph is a bit testy (understandably) because the ASC plays so many conference games (MIAC also comes to mind) that they have little opportunity to 'pillage'. (The SCIAC and NWC teams also come into this discussion.) I don't know if there IS any reasonable solution, but current standards DO favor certain conferences.
Ricky Nelson may have been a "Traveling Man", but the Chapman Women are the "Traveling Women", as they:
Flew to Oregon for 3 games in 3 days to face three quality opponents,
Flew to Colorado Springs for 2 games in 2 days,
Bused all the way to San Francisco to play 2 games iin 2 days,
and will fly to Dallas to play 2 games in 2 days.
You play 'em when and where you can.
Granted, not all games were against strong teams, but still a rugged scedule when you
don't have a conference to schedule games with.
Not complaining, just listing the facts.
Mr. Ypsi--
You are correct. The UAA spreads across five regions (Northeast, East, Great Lakes, South and Central (or Midwest, depending on whether it is the women or the men that we are evaluating--- Wash U and Chicago are in the Central for women, and are in the Midwest for men.)
Of course, 2/3 of the team's in-region SOS is average OWP, so there is every incentive to play the top teams from weaker conferences in your region to boost your SOS. Sprinkle in a few teams that you know will give you the ability to get in-region victories against regionally ranked opponents (It doesn't matter whether or not the context of the game takes play in conference play or non-conference play in the eyes of the NCAA as long as it meets the criteria for an in-region game), and under the current system, a team is set so long as it wins 19 games or more to get the in-region winning pct to around .750 or higher.
However, as we know in DIII, not every team has the ability to do this. The Babson women were handicapped two years ago when NEWMAC decided to have their women play a full double-round robin schedule, thereby forcing Babson to have to play 18 conference games plus a conference tournament. Ideally, a conference should have no more than 8 teams in the league in order for the double round-robin to work effectively-- NEWMAC has 10 teams in the women's league. I would rather have this year's Babson team play teams like Amherst, Williams, Kean, Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Rochester, Chicago, and Wash U rather than WPI and Coast Guard to get themselves ready for a national tournament, but the conference and in-region scheduling system does not allow for this.
Thanks for all the informative feedback! Since this is only my second year in the D-III rodeo, I'm still learning how the regional rankings work and other subtleties of D-III. Until I get a handle on it, I will feel much a tax-preparing neophyte trying to decipher the federal tax code.
Bottom line is to keep winning, to dissolve whatever warts you have before the end of the season (especially if you have to place your fate in Pool C).
Welcome aboard, jaybird!
Jaybird,
We were all there at one time. I'm going on two and a half years and learn more every day. The posters will answer your questions or concerns. Plus K for your modesty!
West Conn's latest #6 Northeast ranking is pretty scary. Looks like we'llk have to win the LEC tournament to get into the NCAA's even though we could be 23-3 going into the finals of the LEC tournament.
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 11, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Thanks for all the informative feedback! Since this is only my second year in the D-III rodeo, I'm still learning how the regional rankings work and other subtleties of D-III. Until I get a handle on it, I will feel much a tax-preparing neophyte trying to decipher the federal tax code.
Bottom line is to keep winning, to dissolve whatever warts you have before the end of the season (especially if you have to place your fate in Pool C).
Welcome, much like you, this is my first year following D-3 on a consistant basis, so I'm trying to figure out the ins and outs as well.
Welcome aboard, Jaybird44. I enjoy your calls of the Wash U games just as much as I enjoy JC DeLass doing the Rochester games. +K.
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 11, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Thanks for all the informative feedback! Since this is only my second year in the D-III rodeo, I'm still learning how the regional rankings work and other subtleties of D-III. Until I get a handle on it, I will feel much a tax-preparing neophyte trying to decipher the federal tax code.
Bottom line is to keep winning, to dissolve whatever warts you have before the end of the season (especially if you have to place your fate in Pool C).
Jaybird, one advantage of
not having a conference tourney is that you do not inflict another loss onto the likely candidates for a Pool C bid.
During the final week of the season, look at what going 0-1 or 1-1 in the conference tourney does to the W-L %age.
Things begin to get very congested around a winning percentage of .750. Removing one loss pushes the W-L%age up about 25-30 points. Adding another couple of wins may only move it up 15-20 percentage points.
Regular season in-region W/L : 18-5 = .782
0-1 in post season tourney : 18-6 = .750
1-1 in post season tourney : 19-6 = .760
2-0 in post season tourney : 20-5 = .800, but you won the Pool A bid anyway.
Regular season in-region W/L : 17-6 = .739
0-1 in post season tourney : 17-7 = .708
1-1 in post season tourney : 18-7 = .720
2-0 in post season tourney : 19-6 = .760, but you won the Pool A bid anyway.
Good stuff...now I have another reason to dislike post-season conference tournaments! I would much rather give a conference crown to a team that displayed excellence throughout an entire season, than to a team that had a 2-3 game hot stretch. Add the negative change to an in-region winning% for a loss, and I'm surprised that there aren't more conferences discarding post-season tourneys.
I guess somebody is making money from them. Do the conference teams share in said revenue from those tournaments?
Regarding the calls of games, thanks 'deis for the compliment! PBP is one of my grand passions in life...I very much love the craft of it.
Right now, though, I'm going through withdrawals...two straight weekends without games! I'm getting a little cranky as a result...
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 12, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
Good stuff...now I have another reason to dislike post-season conference tournaments! I would much rather give a conference crown to a team that displayed excellence throughout an entire season, than to a team that had a 2-3 game hot stretch. Add the negative change to an in-region winning% for a loss, and I'm surprised that there aren't more conferences discarding post-season tourneys.
I guess somebody is making money from them. Do the conference teams share in said revenue from those tournaments?
I have heard that the main benefit for many programs is that student interest and player intensity can be sustained by the mid-rung teams in most conferences, as they compete for the last playoff slot. If the schedule favors a team that is playing schools that have been eliminated with 6-8 games left, then the schedule has impacted the outcome.
It may also give late developing teams a chance to put it together, especially if they have played 18-22 conference games. In the ASC, both men's divisions have 6 of 8 and 5 of 7 teams still competing for the four playoff slots going into the last 3 games of the season.
I guess the large conferences with divisions have to settle the crown via a post-season tourney...forgot about those scenarios. Keeping the interest high in the midst of challenging academics is a good idea, too.
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Quote from: deiscanton on February 11, 2011, 04:51:45 AM
The Babson women were handicapped two years ago when NEWMAC decided to have their women play a full double-round robin schedule, thereby forcing Babson to have to play 18 conference games plus a conference tournament.
One of the conferences that get penalized the most (as far as SOS) is the MIAC women. They play 22 conference games with only 3 non-conference games. Its difficult to get the SOS much above .500
In the Central, Wash U has now fallen out of the top 6 in the regional rankings. This situation is starting to remind me of the 2008-09 Chicago women's basketball team, which had a stellar resume for Pool C consideration, but was also not ranked in the top 6 in the Central Region. Because of upsets in league tournaments involving Central Region teams that were ranked higher than Chicago, the Maroons never got to the national table for Pool C discussion before the Pool C bids ran out nationally.
Wash U is now in single-elimination tournament mode. The Bears must win out against NYU, Brandeis, and Chicago-- another loss will eliminate Wash U from NCAA consideration.
However, if the Bears win out their remaining home games, I believe that Wash U will jump back into the top 6 in the Central Region rankings.
Conference tournaments to watch now affecting the Central rankings-- CCIW, WIAC, Northern Athletics Conference. (Hope that Illinois Wesleyan wins CCIW AQ, that one of the 3 regionally ranked WIAC teams win the AQ there, and hope that Wisconsin Lutheran wins the AQ from the Northern Athletics Conference.)
Yes, when I saw Wash-U drop out of the Central Region rankings, I knew that the
Bears will need to win their last 3 games to get a chance to grab what Willy Wonka might call a "Golden Ticket" to the D-III tournament.
D-III is very fascinating. Very, very different than D-1; where teams can loaf through a non-conference schedule, and if you have 20 wins against decent competition, you get in much more often than not. However, with so many more teams in D-III, and hence a lot more teams with great records looking for a Golden Ticket, EVERY game is important--even the early-season non-conference contests.
I wonder how many schools learn that lesson the hard and painful way each season?
Yes, 330 schools and 10 power conferences going for 30+ at large bids in D-1.
410 schools and only 4-5 power conferences going for 20 at large bids in D-3.
Add 10 more at-large bids and WashU is probably a lock.
IMHO, the Power Conferences are different (and fewer) in the women versus the men.
Chicago has officially clinched the UAA Women's Basketball Title and has received the automatic bid to the NCAAs with a 77-49 victory over NYU today.
Wash U now officially needs a Pool C to get in-- Wash U defeated Brandeis 79-47 today in UAA play.
With Wisconsin Lutheran coming from behind to win at Dominican (IL) 96-91 in overtime yesterday behind WLC's Erika Laete's 50 point performance, are the Central region rankings probably going to remain the same this week, with WLC at #6 in Central and Wash U not in the top 6 in Central?
Regardless of the order in the rankings between WLC and Wash U, I still believe that Wash U needs to beat Chicago next Saturday to leave no doubt...
I just took a look at the performances of all of the women's teams that were regionally ranked in the Central this week.
I saw that #5 in Central UW-La Crosse took a loss over the weekend at the hands of #2 in Central UW-Stevens Point.
UW-La Crosse now has six in-region losses, and will have seven in-region losses if they fall into Pool C.
Most likely, unless UW-Lax wins the WIAC tournament, they will also take another loss to a regionally ranked opponent this week.
UW-La Crosse's in-region pct through Feb. 20 is now 18-6 in region (.750)
UW-La Crosse is now 2-5 in-region (.286) vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago, 1-1 vs UW-Whitewater, 0-1 vs Coe, 0-1 vs Chapman, 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point.
Discussion that I am seeing on the WIAC forum says that UW-La Crosse needs to win the WIAC tournament to make the NCAAs.
Wash U's in-region pct through games of Feb. 20 is now 17-3 in-region (.850), 20-4 overall.
Wash U can do no worse than a 17-4 mark in-region (.810), and if the Bears defeat Chicago on Saturday, Wash U will finish at 18-3 (.857) in-region with a 2-3 in-region record vs regionally ranked opponents.
I await the new Central region rankings on Wednesday, but I think that Wash U will be back in the top 6 in Central when the next regional rankings come out as a result of UW- La Crosse's loss to Stevens Point this weekend.
That is slightly encouraging for Wash-U fans and followers, but most of the folks around the Hilltop Campus are keeping the mantra "Leave No Doubt" firmly in mind and on their tongues, as the final game of the regular season with Chicago approaches.
Quote from: jaybird44 on February 21, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
That is slightly encouraging for Wash-U fans and followers, but most of the folks around the Hilltop Campus are keeping the mantra "Leave No Doubt" firmly in mind and on their tongues, as the final game of the regular season with Chicago approaches.
That is good advice. I have lived through the years when DIII only had a 50 team field with 7 at large Pool C bids. My two Brandeis teams that won ECAC New England Championships would have easily been in the NCAA DIII Tournament had a 63 or 64 team field existed back then.
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
Quote from: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 05:09:30 PM
Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
UAA Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
3.)
Kean-- #1 in Atlantic19-2 in region
Quote from: gadk on February 24, 2011, 06:41:28 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 05:09:30 PM
Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic
19-2 in region (Note from "deiscanton"-- In-region winning pct now at .905 with loss in NJAC Tournament)
Kean's in-region SOS is .593 through Games of Feb. 20-- OWP is .605, OOWP is .568
Kean is 6-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents through games of Feb. 20
I am updating
Reply #383 to reflect the new info, and I will plan to continue to do updates to
Reply #383 as new information comes in....
Quote from: deiscanton on February 23, 2011, 05:09:30 PM
Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
Note: This is the most recent update to
Reply #383 , reflecting tourney results as of Thursday morning, Feb. 24, 2011
Further updates will happen as conference tournament results continue.
Here's my thoughts on the Northeast, as usual feel free to post your thoughts whether you agree, disagree, whatever.
Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Colby, Babson & West Conn are in no matter what happens this week. USM (#10 Northeast) is hanging by a thread and a loss Friday to Eastern eliminates them. Think the final Northeast selection will come down to Tufts (#9 Northeast) vs. Eastern (#7 Northeast), assuming Eastern doesn't win the LEC that is. Right now I'd give the slight edge to Tufts, even though they lost to Eastern head-to-head. Think their body of work overall is better, plus the NESCAC had better competition then the LEC did this year. Thats all subject to change as the week progresses, and if Eastern wins Friday I'll probably flip-flop Eastern and Tufts.
Considering that Bates is ranked ahead of Tufts in the Northeast Regional rankings that were released yesterday-- (Bates is at #8 in Northeast, and Tufts is at #9 in Northeast), I'd be a little surprised this year if NESCAC gets 5 teams in. I agree that the top 6 in the Northeast are locks to be in the NCAAs, (and I'll say that the top 6 in the Central are very close to being locks as well-- WIAC definitely sends 3 teams in-- if Illinois Wesleyan wins the CCIW tournament, that should lock the current top 6 in the Central in-- plus a Wash U victory over Chicago on Saturday would lock in the top 6 in the Central as well.)
The NESCAC semifinalists are definitely in the NCAAs no matter what happens the rest of the week, as well as Babson and Western Connecticut.
I'll say that S. Maine needs to win the Little East tournament to make NCAAs-- not an impossible task for the legendary coach Gary Fifield.
E. Conn State's head to head win over Tufts earlier this season gives the Warriors the advantage over the Jumbos-- I don't think that Tufts can counteract this. Had Tufts won last Saturday at Williams, the prospects of the NESCAC getting 5 teams in would have improved.
I'll update the list again with the NESCAC teams already eliminated from the conference tournament.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 24, 2011, 08:20:20 AM
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.)
Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.)
Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.)
Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.)
Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.)
Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
With Wartburg losing at home to sixth-seeded Dubuque, I don't see them being in contention for an at-large berth anymore. I do believe that the loser of Saturday's Championship game with #1 Coe and #2 Simpson will get an at-large bid.
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 25, 2011, 02:01:56 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 24, 2011, 12:32:22 PM
Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
With Wartburg losing at home to sixth-seeded Dubuque, I don't see them being in contention for an at-large berth anymore. I do believe that the loser of Saturday's Championship game with #1 Coe and #2 Simpson will get an at-large bid.
That is what I believe as well, given the tourney resume of Wartburg. However, it is still proper to list the complete resume of Wartburg since they did get regionally ranked by an advisory committee this season. In addition, the "once ranked, always ranked" priniciple applies to DIII women's hoop this season.
It seems to me that Wartburg is too far down the regional rankings for that particular region to get a Pool C bid-- given past practice and what this year's resume shows.
Kohawk Krazy is referring to the seeds in the IIAC tourney of Coe and Simpson, (#1 seed and #2 seed, respectively) rather than the order in the West Region of their ranking-- Coe is #1 in West and Simpson is at #5 in the West this week.
I plan to list the tournament resume of the loser of the IIAC title game as soon as that game is completed, but it is going to be a very busy Saturday-- my conference, the University Athletic Association, completes play as well on Saturday with a featured women's game of top 25 teams #8 Chicago (UAA AQ) at #9 Wash U (Pool C candidate) in the early part of the doubleheaders involving the UAA travel partners. (D3Hoops.com national rankings listed). In addition, Pool C candidate Rochester also plays at Emory to conclude UAA play. Please be patient if I can't put up the resumes right away.
What is everyone's thoughts on the MIAA getting two bids ( 1 AQ and the other an at large)? With Calvin and Hope playing each other in the championship on Saturday you would think that both teams, no matter who loses, will get an at large bid. Thoughts?
Since the loser of Hope/Calvin will still be over .900 in-region winning %, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet both get in.
Quote from: bballfan13 on February 25, 2011, 02:07:06 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on the MIAA getting two bids ( 1 AQ and the other an at large)? With Calvin and Hope playing each other in the championship on Saturday you would think that both teams, no matter who loses, will get an at large bid. Thoughts?
Hope is a lock. They could lose by 50 and still get in, Calvin is a pretty safe bet to make it as well even with a loss.
can the NJAC get three in?
If Rutgers-Newark upsets William Paterson in the NJAC finals, can the NJAC get all three in?
Rutgers-Newark as AQ
Kean
William Paterson
Quote from: jumphigh on February 25, 2011, 02:44:49 PM
can the NJAC get three in?
If Rutgers-Newark upsets William Paterson in the NJAC finals, can the NJAC get all three in?
Rutgers-Newark as AQ
Kean
William Paterson
Rutgers-Newark as NJAC AQ would be considered a major upset that would take away a Pool C bid.
If Rutgers-Newark wins on Saturday, the NJAC does get three in, IMO, and a Pool C bid would have to be taken away from either a lower regionally ranked team in the Atlantic, or a regionally ranked team ranked low in another region. Most likely, as the weakest region, the East would get one taken away, but the South, West, or Mid-Atlantic could be high on the list to have a Pool C taken away as well. The Northeast is also a possibility as well, with a #7 or lower regionally ranked team in that region getting the hit. I don't see the Central Region being the first to lose a Pool C bid with the first major upset-- the Great Lakes probably gets one taken away before the Central.
Quote from: jumphigh on February 25, 2011, 02:44:49 PM
can the NJAC get three in?
If Rutgers-Newark upsets William Paterson in the NJAC finals, can the NJAC get all three in?
Rutgers-Newark as AQ
Kean
William Paterson
Very possible. Kean is in regardless, Wiliam Paterson is probably in as well, but you have to watch upsets. As an LEC fan I'm keeping tabs on the NJAC & Skyline finals tomorrow, wins by Newark & Farmingdale over teams that are probably already in the tournament (WPU & MSM respectively) could take a bid away from an Eastern Connecticut/Southern Maine.
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying.....
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Wash U's in-region record is 17-3 (.850)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 this week (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-1 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Rochester's in-region record is 17-5 (.773)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 this week (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.)
Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.)
UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.)
S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
Regionally ranked games remaining
(Note: I am not noting who is home or away in these matchups)
Atlantic Region
#2 Mt. St. Mary (NY) vs unranked Farmingdale State in SKY final-- 2/26-- Mt. St. Mary won, clinched SKY AQ
#3 William Paterson vs unranked Rutgers-Newark in NJAC final-- 2/26-- WPU won, clinched NJAC AQ
#4 Baruch vs unranked Lehman in CUNYAC final-- 2/26 Baruch won, clinched CUNYAC AQ
#5 Gallaudet vs unranked in East SUNYIT in NEAC semi-- 2/26-- Gallaudet won, advanced to NEAC final
Central Region
#1 Illinois Wesleyan vs unranked Wheaton (IL) in CCIW final-- 2/26-- Illinois Wesleyan won, clinched CCIW AQ
#2 UW-Stevens Point vs #3 UW-Whitewater in WIAC final-- 2/27
#5 Chicago has clinched UAA AQ-- vs #6 Wash U-- 2/26-- Chicago got the historic win at Wash U-- Chicago finishes 14-0 in UAA play
East Region
#1 Rochester needs Pool C-- vs unranked in South Emory-- 2/26-- Rochester won at Emory 2/26.
#2 SUNY-Geneseo vs #5 SUNY-Oneonta-- in SUNYAC Final-- 2/26-- SUNY-Geneseo won, clinched SUNYAC AQ
#3 Medaille vs unranked in Great Lakes La Roche in AMCC final-- 2/26-- La Roche won, clinched AMCC AQ
#4 Ithaca vs unranked Stevens in Empire 8 final-- 2/27
#6 Keuka vs unranked in Mid-Atlantic Penn-State Harrisburg in NEAC semi-- 2/26--Keuka won, advanced to NEAC final
Great Lakes Region
#1 Thomas More vs once ranked St. Vincent in PrAC final-- 2/26-- Thomas More won, clinched PrAC AQ
#2 Hope vs #5 Calvin in MIAA final-- 2/26-- Calvin won, clinched MIAA AQ
#3 Denison vs unranked Allegheny in NCAC final-- 2/26-- Denison won, clinched NCAC AQ
#4 Hanover vs unranked Manchester in HCAC semi-- 2/26-- Hanover won, advanced to HCAC final
#6 DePauw vs unranked in South Trinity (TX) in SCAC semi-- 2/26-- DePauw won, advanced to SCAC final
Mid-Atlantic Region
#1 Lebanon Valley vs #4 Messiah in MACC final-- 2/26-- Lebanon Valley won, clinched MACC AQ
#2 Juniata vs once ranked Scranton in LAND final-- 2/26 Juniata won, clinched LAND AQ
#3 Johns Hopkins vs unranked Frankin & Marshall in CC semi-- 2/26-- JHU won, advanced to CC final
#5 Muhlenberg vs #6 Gettysburg in CC semi-- 2/26 -- Muhlenberg won, advanced to CC final
Northeast Region
#1 Amherst vs #4 Williams in NESCAC semi-- 2/26-- Amherst won, advanced to NESCAC final
#2 Bowdoin vs #3 Colby in NESCAC semi-- 2/26-- Bowdoin won, advanced to NESCAC final
#5 Babson vs unranked Springfield in NEWMAC semi-- 2/26 -- Babson won, advanced to NEWMAC final
#6 Western Connecticut vs #7 Eastern Connecticut in LEC final-- 2/26-- Western Connecticut won, clinched LEC AQ
South Region
#1 Greensboro vs #3 Christopher Newport in USAC final-- 2/27
#2 Louisiana College vs unranked Hardin-Simmons in ASC semi- 2/26-- Louisiana College won, advances to ASC final
#4 Randolph-Macon vs unranked Washington & Lee in ODAC semi-- 2/26-- Randy Mac won, advances to ODAC final
West Region
#1 Coe vs #5 Simpson in IIAC final-- 2/26-- Coe won, clinched IIAC AQ
#2 Lewis & Clark vs #3 George Fox in NWC final-- 2/26 George Fox won, clinched NWC AQ
#4 Chapman (Pool B top candidate) vs Nebraska Wesleyan in AD3I tourney-- 2/26-- Chapman defeated Nebraska Wesleyan
As per Reply #392
It is going to be a very busy day with the conference tournaments as well as my following play in the UAA. Please be patient if I cannot update the information right away, as I am most likely going to be concentrating on the UAA once play in that league starts at 2 PM Eastern.
As more teams fall to Pool C, I will do my best to put up their tourney resumes before retiring for the night-- it is going to be a very busy day.....
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.)
Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.)
Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast) 14.)
Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central) 15.)
Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.)
Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.)
Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.)
Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.)
Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.)
Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.)
Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
Even with a 16 point loss, I still believe Eastern should be an NCAA tournament team.
Regionally ranked games for Sunday, February 27, 2011
Atlantic Region
#5 Gallaudet vs #6 in East Keuka in NEAC final
Central Region
#2 UW-Stevens Point vs #3 UW-Whitewater in WIAC final
East Region
#4 Ithaca vs unranked Stevens in E8 final
Great Lakes Region
#4 Hanover vs unranked Transylvania in HCAC final
#6 DePauw vs unranked in South Hendrix in SCAC final
Mid-Atlantic Region
#3 Johns Hopkins vs #5 Muhlenberg in CC final
Northeast Region
#1 Amherst vs #2 Bowdoin in NESCAC final-- Amherst wins, clinches NESCAC AQ
#5 Babson vs unranked Smith in NEWMAC final
South Region
#1 Greensboro vs #3 Christopher Newport in USAC final
#2 Louisiana College vs unranked Howard Payne in ASC final
#4 Randolph-Macon vs once ranked Roanoke in ODAC final
I expect that at least four NESCAC teams will receive bids-including Amherst (assuming they win today) as the automatic qualifier. I expect that Bowdoin, Colby and Williams will all receive bids, and likely Bowdoin will again be a host for a first round, as will Amherst
Maine1,
Did you really mean "at least" 4? So, 20 Pool C bids and you are expecting to get 3 of them and maybe even a 4th? I can understand expecting 3 Pool C's due to the regional rankings, but 4?
Out in the Northwest Conference we are fairly resigned to our geographical plight and will celebrate the day when our two best teams and sent to different pairings and don't have to knock each other out in the 2nd round to get to the Sectional. (See George Fox vs. Puget Sound in recent years.)
This year Lewis and Clark has a strong team and hopefully will join George Fox in the tournament. Puget Sound can definitely compete with other teams across the country and spent time in the regional rankings, but they finished 3rd in our conference and have no chance of being invited.
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.)
Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
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Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
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Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic-- in region under 200 mile rule)
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Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
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Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
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UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
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Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
Bringing this forward for reference-- Conference tournaments completed.
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Regionally ranked games for Sunday, February 27, 2011
Atlantic Region
#5 Gallaudet vs #6 in East Keuka in NEAC final-- Keuka wins, clinches NEAC AQ
Central Region
#2 UW-Stevens Point vs #3 UW-Whitewater in WIAC final-- UW-Stevens Point wins, clinches WIAC AQ
East Region
#4 Ithaca vs unranked Stevens in E8 final-- Stevens wins, clinches E8 AQ
Great Lakes Region
#4 Hanover vs unranked Transylvania in HCAC final-- Hanover wins, clinches HCAC AQ
#6 DePauw vs unranked in South Hendrix in SCAC final-- DePauw wins, clinches SCAC AQ
Mid-Atlantic Region
#3 Johns Hopkins vs #5 Muhlenberg in CC final-- Muhlenberg wins, clinches CC AQ
Northeast Region
#1 Amherst vs #2 Bowdoin in NESCAC final-- Amherst wins, clinches NESCAC AQ
#5 Babson vs unranked Smith in NEWMAC final-- Babson wins, clinches NEWMAC AQ
South Region
#1 Greensboro vs #3 Christopher Newport in USAC final-- Christopher Newport wins, clinches USAC AQ
#2 Louisiana College vs unranked Howard Payne in ASC final-- Howard Payne wins, clinches ASC AQ
#4 Randolph-Macon vs once ranked Roanoke in ODAC final-- Randolph-Macon wins in OT, clinches ODAC AQ
Great job, 'deis!
+1! Thanks! :)
Mr Turner,does Gallaudet still have a chance at an at large bid now?or is their season over?
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Mr Turner,does Gallaudet still have a chance at an at large bid now?or is their season over?
In my opinion, Gallaudet is deep on the bubble.
can you tell me what time tomorrow they will make their decision?
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can you tell me what time tomorrow they will make their decision?
Men at 1:00 PM, women at 3:00 PM.
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can you tell me what time tomorrow they will make their decision?
Men at 1:00 PM, women at 3:00 PM.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/selection-show-details
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Bringing this forward for reference-- Conference tournaments completed.
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Regionally ranked games for Sunday, February 27, 2011
Atlantic Region
#5 Gallaudet vs #6 in East Keuka in NEAC final-- Keuka wins, clinches NEAC AQ
Central Region
#2 UW-Stevens Point vs #3 UW-Whitewater in WIAC final-- UW-Stevens Point wins, clinches WIAC AQ
East Region
#4 Ithaca vs unranked Stevens in E8 final-- Stevens wins, clinches E8 AQ
Great Lakes Region
#4 Hanover vs unranked Transylvania in HCAC final-- Hanover wins, clinches HCAC AQ
#6 DePauw vs unranked in South Hendrix in SCAC final-- DePauw wins, clinches SCAC AQ
Mid-Atlantic Region
#3 Johns Hopkins vs #5 Muhlenberg in CC final-- Muhlenberg wins, clinches CC AQ
Northeast Region
#1 Amherst vs #2 Bowdoin in NESCAC final-- Amherst wins, clinches NESCAC AQ
#5 Babson vs unranked Smith in NEWMAC final-- Babson wins, clinches NEWMAC AQ
South Region
#1 Greensboro vs #3 Christopher Newport in USAC final-- Christopher Newport wins, clinches USAC AQ
#2 Louisiana College vs unranked Howard Payne in ASC final-- Howard Payne wins, clinches ASC AQ
#4 Randolph-Macon vs once ranked Roanoke in ODAC final-- Randolph-Macon wins in OT, clinches ODAC AQ
Conference tournaments completed as of Sunday Feb. 27-- 5:09 PM Eastern
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
25.) Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
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St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.533 OWP, .518 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
Did this on the men's board, here's my thoughts on the 20 pool C selections (thoughts suggestions encouraged). Note, teams not in order:
Medaille
Wash U
Rochester
Louisiana College
Ithaca
Simpson
Scranton
Eastern Connecticut
Hope
St. Thomas
Williams
Bowdoin
Colby
Kean
Lewis & Clark
Bridgewater
St. Vincent
Christopher Newport
Wisconsin-Whitewater
Johns Hopkins
Last 3 in: Eastern Connecticut, Scranton, St. Thomas in that order
last 3 out: Mary Washington, UW-La Crosse, St. Lawrence
Here's our tournament projection: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/27/womens-tournament-bracketology/
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule)
25.) Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
29.) St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final
Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.533 OWP, .518 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
Gallaudet did not play Scranton
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Bringing this forward for reference-- Conference tournaments completed as of Sunday Feb. 27-- 5:09 PM Eastern-- with corrections made on Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent.
NOTE: Correction made to Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent made at 3:36 AM Monday, Feb. 27, 2011 to note a mistake that I earlier made as to which team the Gallaudet Bison played.
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
25.) Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
29.) St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final
Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.533 OWP, .518 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule)
25.) Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
29.) St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final
Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.533 OWP, .518 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
Gallaudet did not play Scranton
Good job catching the mistake, ronk! Thanks. I have corrected it-- see next post.-- Gallaudet played Lebanon Valley.
+1 to ronk for noticing it. ;)
Corrected results brought forward for reference-- Correction notes which team Gallaudet played for the result vs a regionally ranked opponent.
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Bringing this forward for reference-- Conference tournaments completed as of Sunday Feb. 27-- 5:09 PM Eastern-- with corrections made on Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent.
NOTE: Correction made to Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent made at 3:36 AM Monday, Feb. 27, 2011 to note a mistake that I earlier made as to which team the Gallaudet Bison played.
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
25.) Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
29.) St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final
Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.533 OWP, .518 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
D3Hoops.com "mock Pool B and Pool C" selections are out, along with the D3Hoops.com "mock" bracket.
The official NCAA selections will be announced on the Selection show Monday afternoon.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/27/womens-tournament-bracketology (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/27/womens-tournament-bracketology)
Any reason the women's selection show comes after the men's? I just thought since the women have hosting priority in the 1st/2nd round it would be the other way around.
One would think so, especially if the women pass on a hosting school like Randolph-Macon who would be a men's hosting candidate, also.
Well I know there have been some minor problems with the women's brackets in the past. Teams from the same conference playing each other in the first round. If there were quite a few upsets in the conference tournaments. There may be an issue with teams that originally put in to host, could no longer be in the tournament. Title IX doesn't apply here either :)
I think on the women's side teams are generally cut and dry, so I am not sure why they would be 2nd to go. It must be the ratings :)
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Updated with notes stating who got picked for Pool C-- Richard Stockton's tourney resume included
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Bringing this forward for reference-- Conference tournaments completed as of Sunday Feb. 27-- 5:09 PM Eastern-- with corrections made on Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent.
NOTE: Correction made to Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent made at 3:36 AM Monday, Feb. 27, 2011 to note a mistake that I earlier made as to which team the Gallaudet Bison played.
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central -- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's in-region SOS is .534 through games of Feb. 20 (.528 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#1 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#2 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #1 in East-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's in-region SOS is .552 through games of Feb. 20 (.559 OWP, .534 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#4 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.605 OWP, .558 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (once ranked in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#4-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .638 (.671 OWP, .571 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.573 OWP, .579 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .542 (.561 OWP, .506 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .478 (.461 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (once ranked in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- #6 in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .513 (.508 OWP, .529 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- #5 in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .485 (.489 OWP, .478 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#1 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
In region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .574 (.585 OWP, .551 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- #10 in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .593 (.609 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .476 (.474 OWP, .486 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #1 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #5 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .509 (.508 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#2 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #2 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.500 OWP, .511 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #5 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #4 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .579 (.594 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- #6 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.523 OWP, .522 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .601 (.613 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .615 (.635 OWP, .575 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .591 (.604 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .511 (.506 OWP, .520 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (#6 West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #2 in West -- Lost in NWC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .523 (.530 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .606 (.623 OWP, .572 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #4 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .487 (.490 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 1-0 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
25.) Greensboro-- #1 in South-- Lost in USA South final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .517 (.522 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (#5 South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#3 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.530 OWP, .525 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#4 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (#6 Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .575 (.584 OWP, .556 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#1 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#3 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #2 in South-- Lost in ASC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .504 (.498 OWP, .513 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
29.) St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .528 (.533 OWP, .518 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
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Richard Stockton-- once ranked in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC First Round-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA Final in-region record of Richard Stockton is 16-9 (.640)
In-region SOS through games of Feb. 20 is .594 (.618 OWP, .545 OOWP)
Richard Stockton is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 1-0 vs Baruch (#4 Atlantic), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 0-1 vs Muhlenberg (#5 Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 0-2 vs Kean (#1 Atlantic))
Final Pool C Selections Breakdown By Region 2010-2011
Atlantic: Kean, Gallaudet, Richard Stockton (3 Pool C's selected)
Central: UW-Whitewater, UW-La Crosse, Wash U (3 Pool C's selected)
East: Rochester, Medaille (2 Pool C's selected)
Great Lakes: Hope, St. Vincent (2 Pool C's selected)
Mid-Atlantic: Johns Hopkins, Messiah (2 Pool C's selected)
Northeast: Bowdoin, Colby, Williams, Eastern Connecticut (4 Pool C's selected)
South: Greensboro, Louisiana College (2 Pool C's selected)
West: Lewis & Clark, Simpson (2 Pool C's selected)
Pool B pick was Chapman
I admit that, like a lot of you, I was surprised to see Richard Stockton get picked as a Pool C, but after looking at the SOS numbers of Richard Stockton vs the SOS numbers of Ithaca-- and, after noting which regionally ranked opponents Richard Stockton played, and the fact that Richard Stockton had a better mark vs RRO than Ithaca, the Richard Stockton pick makes sense to me.
In addition, it made sense that Richard Stockton would vault ahead of Mary Washington in the Atlantic rankings once the resumes of both schools were compared. I just did not know at the time that the Atlantic Region rankings had a high probability of being changed.
In hindsight, had I known that the Atlantic regional rankings would have been changed, I would have put Richard Stockton's tourney resume up on Sunday night for people to consider.
Deiscanton,
I think you may have missed Messiah in the pool "C" listing. Not really sure how all of this works or how many "C" bid s were available. I am pleasantly surprised Messiah made the tournament. Your research and posts are amazing. Thank You
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Deiscanton,
I think you may have missed Messiah in the pool "C" listing. Not really sure how all of this works or how many "C" bid s were available. I am pleasantly surprised Messiah made the tournament. Your research and posts are amazing. Thank You
I listed Messiah as Team No. 15 in my listings. You probably missed it, mytwocents-- I know that the print gets small once I quote things and bring them up, but I did put Messiah down after they lost to Lebanon Valley.
Messiah was initially listed in larger print in
Reply #402 if you need to read the resume in bigger print.
There are 20 Pool C bids available this year.
Never mind, I noticed the mistake. Muhlenberg was the Centennial AQ. Corrected
Reply #428 +1 to mytwocents for noticing the mistake. :)
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Updated with notes stating who got picked for Pool C-- Richard Stockton's tourney resume included
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Bringing this forward for reference-- Conference tournaments completed as of Sunday Feb. 27-- 5:09 PM Eastern-- with corrections made on Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent.
NOTE: Correction made to Gallaudet's result vs regionaly ranked opponent made at 3:36 AM Monday, Feb. 27, 2011 to note a mistake that I earlier made as to which team the Gallaudet Bison played.
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Wash U is back at #6 in Central this week, but it is probably best for Wash U to win on Saturday vs #5 in Central Chicago to "leave no doubt", as jaybird44 is saying..... (Note: Chicago won at Wash U 2/26/2011)
Pool C candidates this week-- NCAA Tournament resumes
(Note: UAA records now updated through games of Saturday, Feb. 26)
1.) Wash U-- #6 in Central -- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Wash U is 17-4 (.810)
Wash U's final in-region SOS is .541 (.541 OWP, .539 OOWP)
Wash U is 1-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#2 in Central), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ), 1-1 vs Rochester (#2 in East, UAA))
Wash U has a secondary criteria loss to Hope (#3 Great Lakes), and has a secondary criteria win over DePauw (#6 Great Lakes)
2.) Rochester-- #2 in East-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Rochester is 18-5 (.783)
Rochester's final in-region SOS is .552 (.559 OWP, .539 OOWP)
Rochester is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Medaille (#3 in East), 1-0 vs Ithaca (#5 in East), 1-1 vs Wash U (#6 Central, UAA), 0-2 vs Chicago (#5 Central, UAA AQ).
(Note: These were the Pool C candidates that were already existing from the University Athletic Association coming into the week before the conference tournaments started. As of Wednesday, Kean from the NJAC has joined that list and I have modified this post and the quote from "gadk" following this post telling me to update the list in light of the NJAC semifinal upset. I am updating the list this morning-- Feb. 24, 2011 to reflect conference tourney results-- Comments to follow later today, Feb. 24, 2011-- "deiscanton")
(Update: Wash U and Rochester now updated through Feb. 26-- "deiscanton")
3.) Kean-- #1 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC Semifinals-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Kean is 19-2 (.905)
Final in-region SOS is .589 (.601 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Kean is 6-0 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 2-0 vs Richard Stockton (#6 in Atlantic), 1-0 vs Amherst (#1 in Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 1-0 vs Messiah (#5-Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-0 vs Scranton (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule.)
Kean has a secondary criteria loss to Illinois Wesleyan-- #1 in Central
4.) Bates-- #8 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bates is 15-7 (.682)
Final in-region SOS is .630 (.658 OWP, .574 OOWP)
Bates is 3-7 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs S. Maine (#10 Northeast), 1-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
5.) Tufts-- #9 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Tufts is 17-6 (.739)
Final in-region SOS is .569 (.565 OWP, .578 OOWP)
Tufts is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 0-2 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 0-1 vs E. Connecticut (#7 Northeast))
6.) Mary Washington-- once ranked in Atlantic-- Lost in CAC Semifinal
Final in-region record of Mary Washington is 18-6 (.750)
Final in-region SOS is .542 (.558 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Mary Washington is 1-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Roanoke (#6 in South-- same geographic/administrative region), 0-1 vs Christopher Newport (#1 South-- in region under 200 mile rule) 0-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 South-- in-region under 200 mile rule)
7.) Bridgewater (VA)-- once ranked in South-- Lost in ODAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Bridgewater, VA is 20-4 (.833)
Final in-region SOS is .474 (.460 OWP, .502 OOWP)
Bridgewater, VA is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Roanoke (#6 in South), 1-1 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South))
8.) Wartburg-- once ranked in West-- Lost in Iowa IAC Quarterfinal
Final in-region record of Wartburg is 20-5 (.800)
Final in-region SOS is .507 (.497 OWP, .526 OOWP)
Wartburg is 1-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Coe (#1 in West), 1-1 vs Simpson (#5 in West)
9.) Maryville (TN)-- once ranked in South-- Lost in Great South Semifinal
Final in-region record of Maryville (TN) is 21-3 (.875)
Final in-region SOS is .480 (.482 OWP, .477 OOWP)
Maryville (TN) is 0-1 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Greensboro (#2 in South))
10.) UW-La Crosse-- #4 in Central-- Lost in WIAC Semifinal-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of UW-La Crosse is 19-7 (.731)
Final in-region SOS is .574 (.585 OWP, .552 OOWP)
UW-La Crosse is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Chicago (#5 Central), 1-2 vs UW-Whitewater (#3 Central), 0-2 vs UW-Stevens Point (#2 Central), 0-1 vs Coe (#1 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 in West-- Same Geographic/Administrative region))
11.) S. Maine-- once ranked in Northeast-- Lost in Little East Semifinal
Final in-region record of S. Maine is 16-8 (.667)
Final in-region SOS is .595 (.610 OWP, .563 OOWP)
S. Maine is 2-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs W. Connecticut (#6 in Northeast), 1-2 vs E. Connecticut (#7 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 in Northeast), 0-1 vs Bates (#8 in Northeast))
(Note: S. Maine looks too far down in regional rankings to grab a Pool C-- this will probably be the first time in a long while that the S. Maine Huskies will not be in the NCAA DIII Tournament-- The last time that S. Maine missed the NCAA tournament was 1994.)
12.) Medaille-- #3 in East-- Lost in AMCC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Medaille is 22-4 (.846)
Final in-region SOS is .476 (.474 OWP, .481 OOWP)
Medaille is 1-0 in region vs regionally ranked opponents (defeated Rochester, #2 in East)
13.) Oneonta State-- #6 in East-- Lost in SUNYAC final
Final in-region record of Oneonta State is 20-6 (.769)
Final in-region SOS is .509 (.509 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Oneonta State is 4-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-0 vs once ranked Cortland State, 2-1 vs once ranked New Paltz State, 0-3 vs SUNY-Geneseo (#1 East)
Oneonta State has a secondary criteria loss to Babson (#5 Northeast)
14.) Hope-- #3 in Great Lakes-- Lost in MIAA final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Hope is 24-2 (.923)
Final in-region SOS is .517 (.519 OWP, .512 OOWP)
Hope is 1-2 in-region vs Calvin-- #2 in Great Lakes
Hope has a secondary criteria win over Wash U (#6 in Central)
15.) Messiah-- #5 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in MACC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Messiah is 19-6 (.760)
Final in-region SOS is .592 (.615 OWP, .547 OOWP)
Messiah is 3-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (2-1 vs once-ranked Widener, 0-1 vs Kean (#1 in Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 1-2 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 in Mid-Atlantic), 0-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 in Mid-Atlantic)
16.) Gettysburg-- once ranked in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in CC semi
Final in-region record of Gettysburg is 18-7 (.720)
Final in-region SOS is .529 (.531 OWP, .523 OOWP)
Gettysburg is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs once ranked Scranton, 1-1 vs Johns Hopkins (#3 Mid-Atlantic), 1-2 vs Muhlenberg (#4 Mid-Atlantic)
17.) Colby-- #3 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Colby is 19-5 (.792)
Final in-region SOS is .603 (.615 OWP, .578 OOWP)
Colby is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-3 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 1-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 1-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (once ranked in Northeast)
18.) Williams-- #4 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC semi-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Williams is 19-5 (.792)
Final in-region SOS is .622 (.645 OWP, .576 OOWP)
Williams is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-3 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 0-1 vs Bowdoin (#2 Northeast), 0-1 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Eastern Connecticut (#7 Northeast), 1-0 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 2-0 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast))
19.) Eastern Connecticut-- #7 in Northeast-- Lost in LEC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Eastern Connecticut is 20-6 (.769)
Final in-region SOS is .595 (.609 OWP, .567 OOWP)
Eastern Connecticut is 3-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Amherst, 0-1 vs Williams, 0-3 vs Western Connecticut, 1-0 vs Tufts, 2-1 vs S. Maine)
20.) Simpson-- #5 in West-- Lost in IIAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Simpson is 19-5 (.792)
Final in-region SOS is .520 (.520 OWP, .519 OOWP)
Simpson is 2-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs Coe (#1 West), 1-1 vs Wartburg (once ranked in West), 0-1 vs UW-Stevens Point (#1 Central-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
21.) Lewis and Clark-- #4 in West -- Lost in NWC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Lewis & Clark is 17-4 (.810)
Final in-region SOS is .538 (.552 OWP, .510 OOWP)
Lewis & Clark is 3-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-2 vs George Fox (#3 West), 0-1 vs Chapman (#4 West), 2-0 vs once ranked in West Puget Sound)
22.) Bowdoin-- #2 in Northeast-- Lost in NESCAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Bowdoin is 22-4 (.846)
Final in-region SOS is .620 (.643 OWP, .574 OOWP)
Bowdoin is 7-4 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-2 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast), 3-0 vs Colby (#3 Northeast), 1-0 vs Williams (#4 Northeast), 2-1 vs Bates (#8 Northeast), 0-1 vs Tufts (#9 Northeast), 1-0 vs S. Maine (once ranked in Northeast)
23.) Ithaca-- #5 in East-- Lost in E8 final
Final in-region record of Ithaca is 19-5 (.792)
Final in-region SOS is .522 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Ithaca is 0-3 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Rochester (#1 East), 0-1 vs Mount St. Mary (#2 Atlantic-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region), 0-1 vs Cortland State (once ranked in East))
24.) Gallaudet-- #5 in Atlantic-- Lost in NEAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Gallaudet is 22-3 (.880)
Final in-region SOS is .505 (.517 OWP, .482 OOWP)
Gallaudet is 3-1 vs regionally ranked opponents-- (1-0 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic-- in-region under 200 mile rule), 2-1 vs Keuka (#4 in East-- NEAC opponent)
25.) Greensboro-- #2 in South-- Lost in USA South final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Greensboro is 25-2 (.926)
Final in-region SOS is .523 (.530 OWP, .507 OOWP)
Greensboro is 2-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Maryville (TN) (once ranked in South), 1-2 vs Christopher Newport (#1 South))
26.) Johns Hopkins-- #3 in Mid-Atlantic-- Lost in Centennial Conf final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Johns Hopkins is 21-5 (.808)
Final in-region SOS is .539 (.545 OWP, .527 OOWP)
Johns Hopkins is 4-2 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Messiah (#5 Mid Atlantic), 2-1 vs Muhlenberg (#4 Mid-Atlantic), 1-1 vs Gettysburg (once ranked in Mid-Atlantic))
27.) UW-Whitewater-- #3 in Central-- Lost in WIAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of UW-Whitewater is 18-6 (.750)
Final in-region SOS is .588 (.603 OWP, .557 OOWP)
UW-Whitewater is 4-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs Illinois Wesleyan (#2 Central), 2-1 vs UW-La Crosse (#4 Central), 0-3 vs UW-Stevens Point (#1 Central), 0-1 vs Wisconsin Lutheran (once ranked in Central), 1-0 vs George Fox (#2 West-- Same Geographic/Administrative Region)
28.) Louisiana College-- #3 in South-- Lost in ASC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Louisiana College is 23-3 (.885)
Final in-region SOS is .516 (.517 OWP, .515 OOWP)
Louisiana College is 2-0 vs Texas-Dallas (once ranked in South)
29.) St. Vincent-- once ranked in Great Lakes-- Lost in PrAC final-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record for St. Vincent is 22-4 (.846)
Final in-region SOS is .543 (.553 OWP, .522 OOWP)
St. Vincent is 0-4 vs regionally ranked opponents (0-1 vs Juniata (#2 Mid Atlantic, same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-3 vs Thomas More (#1 Great Lakes))
30.) Richard Stockton-- #6 in Atlantic-- Lost in NJAC First Round-- Picked for Pool C by NCAA
Final in-region record of Richard Stockton is 16-9 (.640)
Final in-region SOS is .590 (.612 OWP, .546 OOWP)
Richard Stockton is 2-5 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-0 vs William Paterson (#3 Atlantic), 1-0 vs Baruch (#4 Atlantic), 0-1 vs Amherst (#1 Northeast-- Same Geographic/Administrative region), 0-1 vs Lebanon Valley (#1 Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 0-1 vs Muhlenberg (#4 Mid-Atlantic, in-region under 200 mile rule), 0-2 vs Kean (#1 Atlantic))
31.)
Roanoke-- #6 in South-- Lost in ODAC final Final in-region record of Roanoke is 19-7 (.731)
Final in-region SOS of Roanoke is .520 (.531 OWP, .497 OOWP)
Roanoke is 1-6 in-region vs regionally ranked opponents (1-1 vs Bridgewater, VA (once ranked in South), 0-1 vs Mary Washington (once ranked in Atlantic-- Same geographic/administrative region), 0-3 vs Randolph-Macon (#4 in South), 0-1 vs Hanover (#5 in Great Lakes-- Same geographic/administrative region)
Roanoke has a secondary criteria loss vs Babson-- #5 in Northeast
First rankings of the new year's, women's at the bottom: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2012/02/08/2012-ncaa-regional-rankings-week-1/
What I find funny is how RIC can be #2 in the Northeast (quite possibly the countries strongest region), yet up until 2 weeks ago didn't recieve a single vote for the top 25 poll.
Why does UWL get in over UWRF?
Never mind the bracket I was looking at was a link higher on the page from last year!
Anyone by chance have a calculation for UWRF and Carthage's OWP/OOWP?
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Anyone by chance have a calculation for UWRF and Carthage's OWP/OOWP?
This is the data from the first regional rankings. There will be new data tomorrow afternoon.
http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=WBB®ion=35&division=3
Now that Commonwealth Coast Conference #1 Seed University of New England has been bounced from the conf. tourney by #4 Endicott (slated to face #2 Salve Regina) in the CCC Championship, what are the chances of New England getting an at-Large bid to the tourney? (As of the Week 3 regional rankings they're as high as 2nd in the Northeast region). And if they do get the at-large bid, who gets knocked off the bubble. I realize it's still a bit early in the weekend to project since a billion conf. tournaments are happening simultaneously so geniuses, feel free to wait till later on in the weekend if you want to tackle this question.
80sshorts, I just did the calculations based on D3Hoop's strength of schedule that looks like it includes last night's games and what I see is U of New England now sitting at 10th in the Northeast region and 49th overall. Of course, I'm just a guy with an excel spreadsheet, and like you said, a lot of tournaments going on this weekend. Looks like their strength of schedule hurts them:
Team RegRec RegW% OWP sos rank OOWP rnk pts
Amherst 23-0 1.000 0.607 16 0.581 0.598
Tufts 20-4 0.833 0.650 3 0.570 0.519
Babson 22-2 0.917 0.540 93 0.538 0.494
Rh Island 22-3 0.880 0.563 59 0.553 0.492
Bowdoin 18-5 0.783 0.617 12 0.572 0.471
Williams 17-6 0.739 0.658 2 0.580 0.467
Colby 19-6 0.760 0.627 8 0.572 0.462
SoMaine 19-5 0.792 0.597 24 0.556 0.462
Em'uel 20-5 0.800 0.549 77 0.521 0.431
UofN Eng 22-5 0.815 0.531 118 0.502 0.424
Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting on that Wilson, I've been playing around on excel a lot lately too with scenarios and whatnot. At least according to your research, that is a pretty vast drop in the regional rankings for UNE.
Would like a comment on WLC's chances should the Warriors lose to Dominican in the NAthCon Final tomorrow
Pool C dodged a bullet as Louisiana College held off HSU, 59-53.
The Cowgirls missed about 3 shots in the last possession.
Game 5: [W1] Concordia Texas (21-4) vs. [E2] Texas-Dallas (20-6), 2 p.m.
Game 6: [W2] McMurry (19-7) vs. [E1] Louisiana College (23-3), 4:30 p.m.
Top seeds held. UTD edged HPU [W3] 56-53
WLCALUM83, Again, my opinion doesn't mean squat but I think they would be #8, behind Chicago, UW-Stevens Point, Washington U, UW-Whitewater, Ill. Wesleyan, UW-River Falls, and UW-Eau Claire, and right in front of Carthage. Of course they could be rated higher than teams in other regions. Hopefully for all of rooting for teams on the bubble, a lot of top seeds get the automatic bids.
Another bubble pops as Catholic defeats Juniata in the Landmark title game... Juniata is a Pool C lock.
I want to give credit to Whitman College from the Northwest Conference. They have a deceiving won-loss record (16-10) and understandingly so will not appear on any lists of bubble teams being considered for the NCAA tournament.
I know I am ignoring criteria that the committee will use, so just pretend along with me.
Four of their losses were to NAIA schools. Only 1 of the six Division 3 losses is outside of conference.
The 5 losses in conference:
George Fox (twice),ranked #3 in the Top 25 and #1 in the West Region. Whitman is the only team to come within one point of beating George Fox this year.
Lewis and Clark (three times), ranked #7 in the Top 25 and #4 in the West Region. The losses were by 10, 2, and 5 points to the Pioneers.
Rarely do teams from either coast travel to the other side of the country. Whitman did so this year and lost at Williams by just 3 points (ranked #9 in NE Region). They then played Tufts (receiving votes in the Top 25, and ranked #4 in the NE Region) and beat them by 19 points. This was the second worst loss of the season for Tufts.
Occidental is ranked 6th in the West Region. Whitman has a better OWP, OOWP, and SOS than Occidental.
I believe that Whitman College could hold their own just fine against other Pool C teams that will be announced on Monday.
I'm off to watch the George Fox/Lewis and Clark game. Loser should be a lock for a Pool C bid.
I am reviving this topic to talk about some new changes in the selection criteria for this season. On Hoopsville, the national women's chair Bobbi Morgan was talking about some of iur, but she got the terminology mixed up a little bit, and since Dave "d-mac" McHugh probably was a little too busy with getting Hoopsville up and running to study the bracketology for the d3 soccer tournament, I will let this slide.
1.) For all d3 sports, non- conference SOS is a new addition to the secondary criteria. In the soccer data sheets, these SOS numbers were added in the first week regional rankings for women's soccer and the first 2 weeks's regional rankings for men's soccer. The final non-conference SOS numbers were not published in the final data sheets for soccer, unfortunately. For transparency, I would like the non-conference SOS numbers published in each regional ranking for basketball, but the non- conference SOS numbers are not primary criteria for selection.
2.). If a team is ranked in the week 3 regional rankings, in other words, the last regional rankings published before Selection Monday, results vs those RROs will count for selection purposes. In addition, any result vs teams that become RROs on the week 4 regional rankings will also count for selection purposes. Therefore, in the case of the Calvin women's basketball team, if that scenario had been applied last season, Calvin would be 2-5 vs RROs, as opposed to only being 1-5. Calvin had a RRO in the week 3 rankings that dropped out in week 4. The win over Hope gave that 1 win back. Now, Calvin gets to count both of those 2 wins as wins for selection purposes.
Note: Calvin's win over Kean last season did not count as a win over a RRO since Kean dropped out of the final Atlantic Region rankings. This season, if that same situation were to happen, Calvin's win over Kean would still count as a win over a RRO since Kean was still regionally ranked in the week 3 regional rankings.
Quote from: deiscanton on November 17, 2017, 12:25:07 AM
I am reviving this topic to talk about some new changes in the selection criteria for this season. On Hoopsville, the national women's chair Bobbi Morgan was talking about some of iur, but she got the terminology mixed up a little bit, and since Dave "d-mac" McHugh probably was a little too busy with getting Hoopsville up and running to study the bracketology for the d3 soccer tournament, I will let this slide.
1.) For all d3 sports, non- conference SOS is a new addition to the secondary criteria. In the soccer data sheets, these SOS numbers were added in the first week regional rankings for women's soccer and the first 2 weeks's regional rankings for men's soccer. The final non-conference SOS numbers were not published in the final data sheets for soccer, unfortunately. For transparency, I would like the non-conference SOS numbers published in each regional ranking for basketball, but the non- conference SOS numbers are not primary criteria for selection.
2.). If a team is ranked in the week 3 regional rankings, in other words, the last regional rankings published before Selection Monday, results vs those RROs will count for selection purposes. In addition, any result vs teams that become RROs on the week 4 regional rankings will also count for selection purposes. Therefore, in the case of the Calvin women's basketball team, if that scenario had been applied last season, Calvin would be 2-5 vs RROs, as opposed to only being 1-5. Calvin had a RRO in the week 3 rankings that dropped out in week 4. The win over Hope gave that 1 win back. Now, Calvin gets to count both of those 2 wins as wins for selection purposes.
Note: Calvin's win over Kean last season did not count as a win over a RRO since Kean dropped out of the final Atlantic Region rankings. This season, if that same situation were to happen, Calvin's win over Kean would still count as a win over a RRO since Kean was still regionally ranked in the week 3 regional rankings.
Yes... I have not been able to get up to speed on all the minute details as of yet... mainly because sometimes the info is very forthcoming and other times it just appears out of nowhere usually in the middle of a random conversation. LOL
Thanks for sharing. I will also admit that sometimes I don't dive too far into some of these things in the beginning of the season when I used to in the past. I discovered that no one is really paying attention now. Thus why we now traditionally have a follow-up segment with each national committee chair in late January and that's when we dive more into these things.
That doesn't mean they should be shared... so thank you for doing it.
BTW - I do need to check to see what will and will not be utilized for each committee. Remember, the SOS calculation by the men is not the same as the women. These committees have a base to work from and then can add other "add-ons" if they like. You show it a bit in your first example. I need to make sure I know which of the "add-ons" are being used by which committee.
The first example has been talked about a lot especially on the men's basketball side.
As for your second example, I need to get clarification. It is a bit more complicated with how the vRRO is used at the very end.
This is how it worked, at least, last year for both committees that I am aware:
- The RACs for the final regional rankings take a look at the vRRO from the previous two rankings (in this case Weeks 2 and 3) when they vote.
- Since basketball RACs vote before all the outcomes are known, they vote on several different scenarios depending on results (if necessary).
- The national committee then gets those rankings and adjusts them as they see fit.
- The vRRO data is then run AGAIN with these temporary final rankings and the national committee makes any other adjustments necessary.
We have known, again at least for last year, that the final two weeks of the regional rankings will be used to help shape the final regional rankings/selection rankings of the season. I thought Calvin's win over Kean did count (though, I have to start going back to some very old notes) and thus why Calvin got into the tournament.
I will say, I was told by the liaisons last year that the final two weeks count in the final RACs and that Week 3's vRRO is absolutely part of the data. If it wasn't, then there was a mistake on someone's part at the NCAA when tabulating that data. I do not remember that being a conversation starter last season.
Happy Thanksgiving!
I just wanted to point out that the pre-championship manual for the NCAA Division III Women's Basketball Tournament was digitally released by the NCAA last week. The men's version is yet to be released.
The new manual confirms the following that I previously discussed:
In the primary criteria, results vs ranked DIII teams for purposes of selection are now defined as results vs ranked DIII teams as established by the final ranking and the ranking immediately preceding the final ranking. As Dave McHugh was trying to tell me in his last post, this new definition is a clarification of the old definition which had it as rankings established at the time of selection.
In the secondary criteria, non-conference strength of schedule is a new addition to the criteria.
The first ranking of the regional rankings will be released on Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2018; with the ranking immediately preceding the final ranking to be released on Wednesday, Feb. 21, 2018. The final ranking is to be released on Selection Monday, Feb. 26, 2018, after the bracket is revealed.
There is a field of 64 for this season's tournament with 43 teams automatically qualifying, 1 Pool B selection, and 20 teams to be selected via Pool C.
I expect that Hoopsville will talk more about this in January, so until then, have a great Thanksgiving and enjoy the rest of the holiday season.
Yes... plenty more to come in late January, early February (we are planning to have the committee chairs back on during the Hoopsville Marathon tentatively scheduled for Feb. 1 this year).
Thank you for the update. I have not had time to look for the manuals of late.
The men's version of the pre-championship manual was released today, and I got a comment from KnightSlappy on the definition of regionally ranked opponent.
I just wanted to point out that the application of the definition was of great help to his women's basketball program last season, so I found it interesting to read that he hated the change of definition. 😉
By his most recent posted comments in the men's Pool C board, I am getting the impression that he thinks that the women's basketball committee got it wrong by ranking Calvin ahead of Carnegie Mellon in the final rankings and then picking Calvin over CMU based on Calvin's 2 wins v RRO (Hope ranked #5 in Great Lakes, Kean not in final Atlantic ranking but ranked in the ranking immediately preceding it.) vs Carnegie Mellon's victory over #3 in East Rochester. KnightSlappy, by his argument, would have selected Carnegie Mellon for the Pool C bid last season. Thanks very much.😅
Update: Yes, I know that RAC input to the national committee is always taken into account at selection time as well. So, perhaps Calvin could have used that as well in the final determination of the selection.
Remember... RAC's "advise" the national committee. Ultimately, it is the national committee who is responsible for ranking all the teams in each region. They take the advise and adjust accordingly if they feel it right.
Hoopsville Marathon tips at 10 AM Eastern.
Bobbi Morgan, the d3 National Women's Basketball Committee chair, is the first guest out of the gate. She is scheduled to be interviewed at 10:15 AM Eastern.
Since unreleased mock rankings are being done this week, it will be interesting to hear how the RACs and the National Committee will, in more detail, analyze teams for Pool C and bracketing.
1st published regional rankings come out Wednesday Feb. 7. Results through Sunday, Feb. 4 will be the results reflected in those rankings.
Regarding Trinity (CT) women-- because someone asked d-mac on Hoopsville this morning:
1.). Trinity currently has an SOS of .564, which is good. However, the women's committee doesn't really emphasize SOS as much as the men's committee.
Remember, Calvin got a Pool C bid last year with an SOS of .512.
2.). The women's committee does care about results-- particularly results vs RRO. Trinity does have wins over E.Connecticut, Westfield State, and Stevens. These teams were regionally ranked last year-- will these teams be ranked on Feb. 21?
Also, NYU finished just above .500 last year and in last place in the UAA, but still had 5 wins over RRO. Trinity is only 4 games above .500 right now.
3.). Of concern to me is the 1-5 mark in NESCAC play. Only NESCAC win is over Colby. Trinity has not proven that they can beat any of the NESCAC Big 3 (Amherst, Bowdoin, Tufts). Trinity still has Tufts to play before conference tournament.
4.). My conclusion, as of now: Trinity Bantams need to win NESCAC tournament to get in.
Update-- My conclusion stands. Between E. Conn St, Westfield St, and Stevens, only Westfield State stands a chance to crack the regional rankings board on Feb. 21, and it will probably be in a low position in the Northeast regional rankings at best, IMO.
February 7 regional rankings have been released on NCAA.com
D3Hoops.com should put them up shortly.
Here they are: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Question?On the women's side it has Scranton 20-1 in region and 17-4 for Wheaton in region how is that a in region game?
Quote from: Rofrog on February 08, 2018, 01:13:10 AM
Question?On the women's side it has Scranton 20-1 in region and 17-4 for Wheaton in region how is that a in region game?
If it's in D3 it's in region.
So no more 250 miles?Thank you!
Quote from: Rofrog on February 08, 2018, 01:46:42 AM
So no more 250 miles?Thank you!
The 70% in-region requirement is for scheduling purposes only-- once that is met, all d3 games count in the primary criteria for selection.
For
scheduling purposes only , a game is in region if at least one of these conditions are met:
(1). Both d3 teams are in the same defined evaluation region,
(2). Both teams are within 500 miles of each other,
(3). Both teams are in the same NCAA geographic region, or
(4). The game is a conference game-- For example, all UAA games are in-region.
BTW, the distance used to be 200 miles many years ago; it got expanded to 500 miles.
BTW, the NCAA defines a game vs an opponent that must have their games counted in the primary criteria as either a game vsan opponent who is a fully active d3 member, or an opponent who is in the third or fourth years of provisional/reclassifying status for d3.
In your case, Scranton vs Wheaton (IL) is out-of-region and cannot count to the 70% in-region scheduling requirement. However,
because both teams met their 70% in-region scheduling requirement, the game counts in the primary criteria for purposes of selection.
Quote from: Rofrog on February 08, 2018, 01:13:10 AM
Question?On the women's side it has Scranton 20-1 in region and 17-4 for Wheaton in region how is that a in region game?
Correction-- the data sheet has Wheaton(IL) at 15-4 for primary criteria and 17-4 for overall. Wheaton(IL) 's games vs Rochester (Michigan) and Trinity Christian do not count in the primary criteria as neither Rochester(Michigan) or Trinity Christian is a d3 opponent.
With the win over Illinois Wesleyan last night, Wheaton(IL) has updated their record to 16-4 in the primary criteria and 18-4 in the secondary criteria. That new game gets included in the Feb. 14th regional rankings.
To clarify--
The NCAA now uses the term in division record when referring to the record used for primary criteria.
This is to make clear that the terms "in region" and "out of region" are only to be applied when one is talking about the scheduling requirement, not when you are talking about selection.
The first regional rankings are out which in itself brings on a lot of conversation, but the jockeying and positioning contines in conferences around the country for teams trying to keep their seasons going into March.
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Wait... what?! Who won? Hold on, who lost?!
How did... but they... so... wow... okay.
Another crazy week(end) of Division III basketball leaves us more questions to answer, heads to scratch, and what-ifs to contemplate.
Sunday night's episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) promises to ... hmm, maybe we shouldn't promise too much if this season is a lesson in anything. Nothing is guaranteed.
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As the regular season draws ever closer to the end, the intensity of conference races increases. There are very few teams in both the men's and women's side of Division III basketball that seem comfortable at the top. With conference tournaments starting, being at the top is important, but it also comes with a big target.
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On the show, Dave talks to several coaches who teams seem like they have wrapped up their conferences races and one who may not be able to take the top spot, but is in great position to win it all their first time in the league.
We also talk to a coach who has more time than it seems anyone else. How she is using that time to help her school's SAAC in many ways and how that help is allowing the student-athletes at Southern Maine to give back to the school, the community, and many more.
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The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third
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There is an error in the d3 women's conference tournament tracker for the Skyline Conference.
SUNY-Old Westbury should be listed as the AQ from the Skyline, but your tracker, even though it got the final score correct, accidentally lists Mt St Mary as having received the AQ.
Mt St Mary is both a Pool C and an ECAC candidate.
Update-- Tourney tracker has the Skyline AQ corrected as of Sunday morning.
I would like to hear why people think that Albright is on the wrong side of the Pool C bubble as of now.
Albright has a decent winning pct and a very strong SOS.
Albright comes into the week with 3 wins vs RRO.-- Tufts, Messiah, and Stockton. Tufts is a common opponent with Pool C candidate Roger Williams, who lost to Tufts this season. RWU has 3 wins v RRO-- UMass-Dartmouth (another Pool C candidate), Univ of New England, and Conn College.
By comparison, last year, Carnegie Mellon only had 1 win vs a RRO and did not get a Pool C despite a very strong schedule number.
I don't think that Juniata and Christopher Newport will block Albright from getting to the table for discussion.
Any thoughts on this?
Update-- Info for discussion
Albright
#7 Mid Atlantic in Feb. 21 rankings-- currently third to table in Mid Atlantic behind Juniata and Christopher Newport
W/L Pct is currently .741 (20-7)
SOS is currently .604
Albright is currently 3-5 vs teams ranked in Feb. 21 rankings-- these 3 wins count as ranked wins for selection purposes.
Albright vs
Marymount (#4 Mid-Atlantic). 0-1
Lynchburg (#4 South)-- 0-1
Stockton (#7 Atlantic)-- 1-0
Tufts-- (#3 Northeast)-- 1-0
Montclair St (#1 Atlantic)-- 0-1
Messiah (#2 Mid-Atlantic)-- 1-2
I do not share the belief that Albright is on the wrong side of the Pool C bubble given this resume.
Update-- on the Hoopsville mock selections, d-mac and crew took Albright as the 13th Pool C pick of 20. That does mean that Albright is on the bubble-- but I do share their belief that Albright has a better shot at a Pool C than UMass-Dartmouth. I would also take Albright as a Pool C before Roger Williams due to the common opponent of Tufts, which Albright beat, while RWU and UMass Dartmouth did not.
I honestly think that UMass Dartmouth may be on the wrong side of the deep Pool C bubble because the Corsairs did not defeat a regionally ranked opponent going into the Little East tournament. Even if UMass Boston gets regionally ranked, UMass Dartmouth's 2 resulting wins would still be against a team lowly ranked in the regional rankings.
Update-- d-mac and crew took Roger Williams and UMass-Dartmouth as mock Pool C picks 18 and 19, respectively. In real life, it is going to be a nailbiter with these two teams getting in. Deep Pool C bubble with 3 #1 ranked teams in their respective regions needing Pool C bids.
BTW, d-mac and crew did put UMass-Boston into their mock final regional rankings.
We will find out who the national committee selected at 2:30 PM Eastern Monday on NCAA.com.
Recreating Haverford's path to a Pool C bid--
1.). Haverford was ranked #7 in Mid-Atlantic in week 2, with Gettysburg ranked at #6 in Mid-Atlantic.
2.). In Feb. 21 rankings, Gettysburg was #5 in Mid-Atlantic, Mulhlenberg was #8 in Mid-Atlantic, and Haverford dropped out.
On Feb. 21 rankings, Haverford was 20-5 (.800) with an SOS of .508, and was 1-1 v RRO in Feb. 14 rankings (Gettysburg).
When Muhlenberg got into the regional rankings, Haverford got their results against Muhlenberg counted as results v RRO for selection purposes.
Haverford is now carrying a 2-2 v RRO in the Feb. 21 rankings into the conference tournament.
In the Centennial tournament, Haverford defeated Muhlenberg and lost to Gettysburg.
Haverford now goes to the selection table with:
1.) A 21-6 record (W/L pct of .778)
2.). SOS improved to .521 according to d3hoops.com/PrestoSports calculations.
3.). Haverford is now 3-3 v RRO in Feb. 21 rankings (2-1 v Muhlenberg --#8 Mid-Atlantic), (1-2 v Gettysburg -- #5 in Mid-Atlantic).
Very simple now to move Haverford into the final regional rankings in Mid-Atlantic.
Haverford keeps their 2-1 results vs Muhlenberg as results v RRO for selection purposes.
Haverford becomes regionally ranked once again and is on good side of Pool C bubble and gets Pool C bid to NCAAs.
Hopefully the final regional rankings get released by the women today-- it should confirm my theory.
Is the women's committee actually going to release the final regional rankings?
Quote from: mailsy on February 27, 2018, 11:22:27 AM
Is the women's committee actually going to release the final regional rankings?
I have inquired. Last year we had to remind them as well.
We forgot to post this yesterday... or more realistically, didn't have time...
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The women released their final regional rankings. They are available on NCAA.com and I expect d3hoops.com to post them shortly.
Some things of note:
1.). UMass-Boston did enter the final regional rankings, but only at #12 in the Northeast. Univ of New England moved up to #5 in the Northeast, dropping Roger Williams to #6 and UMass-Dartmouth to #7. Tufts moved to #2, while Bowdoin moved to #3. After UMass-Dartmouth, the final order in the Northeast was MIT at #8, WPI at #9, Smith at #10, and Middlebury at #11.
2.). Haverford finished at #8 in the Mid-Atlantic. Juniata was #6 in that region, while Albright ended at #7.
3.). In the West, Whitman was #6 in the final regional rankings, while Claremont Mudd Scripps dropped out and was replaced by Chapman at #7. Bethel (MN) was #8.
4.). In the Central, UW-Eau Claire, UW-Oshkosh, and UW-La Crosse remained at #7, #8, and #9 respectively.
Guess that gives me something to do at lunch tomorrow. :)
Left at the table when the bubble popped--
Atlantic-- Staten Island (23-3, SOS of .500, 1-3 v RRO)
Central-- UW-Eau Claire (18-9, SOS of .594, 3-6 v RRO)
East-- St Lawrence (17-9, SOS of .537, 4-6 v RRO)
Great Lakes-- Transylvania (21-6, SOS of .538, 1-5 v RRO)
Mid-Atlantic-- Muhlenberg (22-4, SOS of .517, 1-4 v RRO)
Northeast-- UMass-Dartmouth (24-4, SOS of .547, 2-4 v RRO)
South-- Lynchburg (20-6, SOS of .535, 2-3 v RRO)
West-- Bethel (MN)-- (18-8, SOS of .555, 2-5 v RRO)
Resumes of 2 Pool C teams that were missed by mock selections:
Haverford (#8 Mid-Atlantic)-- (21-6, SOS of .530, 3-3 v RRO)
Whitman (#6 West)-- (19-3, SOS of .513, 2-1 v RRO)
UW-Oshkosh never got to the table, but their resume was 20-6, SOS of .546, 3-5 v RRO.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 27, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
The women released their final regional rankings. They are available on NCAA.com and I expect d3hoops.com to post them shortly.
Some things of note:
1.). UMass-Boston did enter the final regional rankings, but only at #12 in the Northeast. Univ of New England moved up to #5 in the Northeast, dropping Roger Williams to #6 and UMass-Dartmouth to #7. Tufts moved to #2, while Bowdoin moved to #3. After UMass-Dartmouth, the final order in the Northeast was MIT at #8, WPI at #9, Smith at #10, and Middlebury at #11.
2.). Haverford finished at #8 in the Mid-Atlantic. Juniata was #6 in that region, while Albright ended at #7.
3.). In the West, Whitman was #6 in the final regional rankings, while Claremont Mudd Scripps dropped out and was replaced by Chapman at #7. Bethel (MN) was #8.
4.). In the Central, UW-Eau Claire, UW-Oshkosh, and UW-La Crosse remained at #7, #8, and #9 respectively.
So...with that information available, it really escapes me how Roger Williams remained ahead MassD. MassD had the edge in wins/losses, the edge in strength of schedule and now had two wins against RRO's. RWU lost two of it's wins over RRO's now that Conn College dropped out of the regional rankings. The ONLY thing RWU had was the head to head victory.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 28, 2018, 06:34:36 AM
Left at the table when the bubble popped--
Atlantic-- Staten Island (23-3, SOS of .500, 1-3 v RRO)
Central-- UW-Eau Claire (18-9, SOS of .594, 3-6 v RRO)
East-- St Lawrence (17-9, SOS of .537, 4-6 v RRO)
Great Lakes-- Transylvania (21-6, SOS of .538, 1-5 v RRO)
Mid-Atlantic-- Muhlenberg (22-4, SOS of .517, 1-4 v RRO)
Northeast-- UMass-Dartmouth (24-4, SOS of .547, 2-4 v RRO)
South-- Lynchburg (20-6, SOS of .535, 2-3 v RRO)
West-- Bethel (MN)-- (18-8, SOS of .555, 2-5 v RRO)
Resumes of 2 Pool C teams that were missed by mock selections:
Haverford (#8 Mid-Atlantic)-- (21-6, SOS of .530, 3-3 v RRO)
Whitman (#6 West)-- (19-3, SOS of .513, 2-1 v RRO)
UW-Oshkosh never got to the table, but their resume was 20-6, SOS of .546, 3-5 v RRO.
Looks like Transylvania has a legitimate complaint as well. To see this list of teams that were left out and to compare it with some of the pool c teams that got in, leads one to believe that the committee screwed up on more than one selection this year. Very disappointing.
Quote from: SidelineHero on February 28, 2018, 06:41:39 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 27, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
The women released their final regional rankings. They are available on NCAA.com and I expect d3hoops.com to post them shortly.
Some things of note:
1.). UMass-Boston did enter the final regional rankings, but only at #12 in the Northeast. Univ of New England moved up to #5 in the Northeast, dropping Roger Williams to #6 and UMass-Dartmouth to #7. Tufts moved to #2, while Bowdoin moved to #3. After UMass-Dartmouth, the final order in the Northeast was MIT at #8, WPI at #9, Smith at #10, and Middlebury at #11.
2.). Haverford finished at #8 in the Mid-Atlantic. Juniata was #6 in that region, while Albright ended at #7.
3.). In the West, Whitman was #6 in the final regional rankings, while Claremont Mudd Scripps dropped out and was replaced by Chapman at #7. Bethel (MN) was #8.
4.). In the Central, UW-Eau Claire, UW-Oshkosh, and UW-La Crosse remained at #7, #8, and #9 respectively.
So...with that information available, it really escapes me how Roger Williams remained ahead MassD. MassD had the edge in wins/losses, the edge in strength of schedule and now had two wins against RRO's. RWU lost two of it's wins over RRO's now that Conn College dropped out of the regional rankings. The ONLY thing RWU had was the head to head victory.
No, Roger Williams ended up 4-3 v RRO. Roger Williams defeated MIT (#8 in Northeast)-- MIT got regionally ranked with the NEWMAC AQ.
Roger Williams had a final resume of 23-5 (.821 winning pct.), SOS of .529, and a 4-3 v RRO.
Roger Williams vs
Tufts-- (#2 NE)-- 0-1
U. New England (#5 NE)-- 1-2
UMass-Dartmouth (#7 NE)-- 1-0
MIT (#8 NE)-- 1-0
Conn College (ranked in Feb. 21 rankings)-- 1-0
Quote from: SidelineHero on February 28, 2018, 06:46:02 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 28, 2018, 06:34:36 AM
Left at the table when the bubble popped--
Atlantic-- Staten Island (23-3, SOS of .500, 1-3 v RRO)
Central-- UW-Eau Claire (18-9, SOS of .594, 3-6 v RRO)
East-- St Lawrence (17-9, SOS of .537, 4-6 v RRO)
Great Lakes-- Transylvania (21-6, SOS of .538, 1-5 v RRO)
Mid-Atlantic-- Muhlenberg (22-4, SOS of .517, 1-4 v RRO)
Northeast-- UMass-Dartmouth (24-4, SOS of .547, 2-4 v RRO)
South-- Lynchburg (20-6, SOS of .535, 2-3 v RRO)
West-- Bethel (MN)-- (18-8, SOS of .555, 2-5 v RRO)
Resumes of 2 Pool C teams that were missed by mock selections:
Haverford (#8 Mid-Atlantic)-- (21-6, SOS of .530, 3-3 v RRO)
Whitman (#6 West)-- (19-3, SOS of .513, 2-1 v RRO)
UW-Oshkosh never got to the table, but their resume was 20-6, SOS of .546, 3-5 v RRO.
Looks like Transylvania has a legitimate complaint as well. To see this list of teams that were left out and to compare it with some of the pool c teams that got in, leads one to believe that the committee screwed up on more than one selection this year. Very disappointing.
Here is Transylvania's results v RRO.
Transylvania vs:
TCNJ (#2 Atlantic)-- 0-1
Mount St Mary (#6 Atlantic)-- 1-0
Rose-Hulman (#4 Great Lakes)-- 0-3
Marietta (#6 Great Lakes)-- 0-1
Transy would have a better case if they had a win vs Rose-Hulman. Sorry, Transy's resume is not better.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 28, 2018, 07:30:30 AM
Quote from: SidelineHero on February 28, 2018, 06:41:39 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 27, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
The women released their final regional rankings. They are available on NCAA.com and I expect d3hoops.com to post them shortly.
Some things of note:
1.). UMass-Boston did enter the final regional rankings, but only at #12 in the Northeast. Univ of New England moved up to #5 in the Northeast, dropping Roger Williams to #6 and UMass-Dartmouth to #7. Tufts moved to #2, while Bowdoin moved to #3. After UMass-Dartmouth, the final order in the Northeast was MIT at #8, WPI at #9, Smith at #10, and Middlebury at #11.
2.). Haverford finished at #8 in the Mid-Atlantic. Juniata was #6 in that region, while Albright ended at #7.
3.). In the West, Whitman was #6 in the final regional rankings, while Claremont Mudd Scripps dropped out and was replaced by Chapman at #7. Bethel (MN) was #8.
4.). In the Central, UW-Eau Claire, UW-Oshkosh, and UW-La Crosse remained at #7, #8, and #9 respectively.
So...with that information available, it really escapes me how Roger Williams remained ahead MassD. MassD had the edge in wins/losses, the edge in strength of schedule and now had two wins against RRO's. RWU lost two of it's wins over RRO's now that Conn College dropped out of the regional rankings. The ONLY thing RWU had was the head to head victory.
No, Roger Williams ended up 4-3 v RRO. Roger Williams defeated MIT (#8 in Northeast)-- MIT got regionally ranked with the NEWMAC AQ.
Roger Williams had a final resume of 23-5 (.821 winning pct.), SOS of .529, and a 4-3 v RRO.
Roger Williams vs
Tufts-- (#2 NE)-- 0-1
U. New England (#5 NE)-- 1-2
UMass-Dartmouth (#7 NE)-- 1-0
MIT (#8 NE)-- 1-0
Conn College (ranked in Feb. 21 rankings)-- 1-0
So all things considered, let's put these two side by side.
| School | Record/Win% | SOS | RRO |
| RWU | 23-5(.821) | .529 | 4-3 |
| UMD | 24-4(.857) | .547 | 2-4 |
I'm not an expert on this, but a one win difference in win percentage is hardly a huge advantage (something I had to be reminded of on the men's side). UMD does have the edge in SOS, but it's offset by the aforementioned edge in RRO's. Given how close you could argue their resumes being, Roger Williams getting the head to head tiebreaker isn't a grievous offense.
Trust me, SidelineHero, being on the wrong side of the bubble sucks. I was up in arms a little bit a few years ago on the men's side when NCC was on the wrong side, but given that they had a mediocre record by tournament standards combined with the fact that the team I thought they should have replaced (UW-Stevens Point, who the Cardinals had a head to head win against) went on to win the national championship that year, my complaint wasn't really valid either.
I don't begrudge you thinking UMD got screwed, but there is a rationale behind it whether you agree or not. And like Pat said in the tournament thread, it doesn't invalidate or taint the tournament as a whole.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 28, 2018, 07:30:30 AM
Quote from: SidelineHero on February 28, 2018, 06:41:39 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 27, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
The women released their final regional rankings. They are available on NCAA.com and I expect d3hoops.com to post them shortly.
Some things of note:
1.). UMass-Boston did enter the final regional rankings, but only at #12 in the Northeast. Univ of New England moved up to #5 in the Northeast, dropping Roger Williams to #6 and UMass-Dartmouth to #7. Tufts moved to #2, while Bowdoin moved to #3. After UMass-Dartmouth, the final order in the Northeast was MIT at #8, WPI at #9, Smith at #10, and Middlebury at #11.
2.). Haverford finished at #8 in the Mid-Atlantic. Juniata was #6 in that region, while Albright ended at #7.
3.). In the West, Whitman was #6 in the final regional rankings, while Claremont Mudd Scripps dropped out and was replaced by Chapman at #7. Bethel (MN) was #8.
4.). In the Central, UW-Eau Claire, UW-Oshkosh, and UW-La Crosse remained at #7, #8, and #9 respectively.
So...with that information available, it really escapes me how Roger Williams remained ahead MassD. MassD had the edge in wins/losses, the edge in strength of schedule and now had two wins against RRO's. RWU lost two of it's wins over RRO's now that Conn College dropped out of the regional rankings. The ONLY thing RWU had was the head to head victory.
No, Roger Williams ended up 4-3 v RRO. Roger Williams defeated MIT (#8 in Northeast)-- MIT got regionally ranked with the NEWMAC AQ.
Roger Williams had a final resume of 23-5 (.821 winning pct.), SOS of .529, and a 4-3 v RRO.
Roger Williams vs
Tufts-- (#2 NE)-- 0-1
U. New England (#5 NE)-- 1-2
UMass-Dartmouth (#7 NE)-- 1-0
MIT (#8 NE)-- 1-0
Conn College (ranked in Feb. 21 rankings)-- 1-0
I can see your point with MIT jumping up into the regional rankings. That makes real sense.
Also, while UMD had 2 wins vRRO... they were two wins against the very last ranked team. That is also something considered. They lost to that same team and lost to three teams ranked above them in the rankings. RWU not only had four wins, but they also had wins against higher ranked opponents... including UMD head-to-head.
As we have said, not all the criteria is just head and shoulders above the rest. They are all equal and at some point the committee makes a decision on what they are seeing. In the vRRO case, that goes to RWU along with the win head-to-head. We have seen plenty of examples (Hobart/Brockport in the men's East) where a head-to-head basically made a small advantage in the WL a moot point. The .529 to .547 wasn't large enough to make a difference on the WL% either (the traditional guide is .030 equals two wins, but less than that they don't make an adjustment).
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
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The 2018-19 season has entered it's final weeks. For some teams, their final games are this week. For others, they are fighting to hopefully still be playing next week and maybe beyond. While others hope their season stretches into March, as long as they take care of business this week and next.
The season can really all boil down to a couple of games. While November is just as important, February games seem to have a different feel to them. Regional Rankings coming out gives everyone a new sense of where they stand if they have postseason plans. Conference tournaments getting ready to start also gives gives teams more incentive to lock up seedings or berths.
As a result: A lot of craziness and games to watch on any given night.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave and guests try and take the temperature of these final few weeks. Who has turned heads, who seems to be stumbling down the stretch, and who should we be talking about while we've been distracted by the usual suspects.
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Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
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The last week of the Division III basketball regular season is here. Conferences will decide who will earn automatic bids to the NCAA Tournaments and teams try and position themselves for at-large bids, hosting opportunities, and bracketing considerations.
For teams who have been faltering, this is the last chance to right the ship. For programs which have underachieved, this is the last opportunity to live up to expectations. And of course for those with Cinderella dreams, this is the chance to try on the glass slipper.
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Anyone have thoughts on the women's Pool C landscape heading into conference tournament week? Luckily the B picture is the easiest decision in the history of the tournament thanks to 25-0 Thomas More's last ride.
I'll try to post some quick thoughts here on Pool C candidates as they are eliminated from their pursuit of AQs.
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I'm not as expert in the numerical criteria as Dave, Ryan and others are on the men's side.
Since Wash U won the UAA, Chicago is an at-large candidate and a lock for one of the bids. They were ranked No 1 in the Central last week and won both games this weekend. I think Emory will be okay, despite the loss to Case Western, but they really need to beat Rochester on Saturday.
Marymount helped its case a lot by beating Cabrini in the regular season finale between those two teams. If the Saints win the Atlantic East tournament, I'd say they are safely into the field. That conference doesn't have an AQ this year or next.
Trinity (Conn.) lost in the first round of the NESCAC tournament and I'm guessing that ends their outside shot at a Pool C bid.
I'm spending quite a bit of my week, especially after Wednesday's rankings coming out, preparing for our mock selections on Hoospville Sunday night. I hope to have a sense of what teams are probably safe or not. Not easy, but I'll be working on it. Not sure I will be able to post anything, but we shall see.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 18, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
I'm spending quite a bit of my week, especially after Wednesday's rankings coming out, preparing for our mock selections on Hoospville Sunday night. I hope to have a sense of what teams are probably safe or not. Not easy, but I'll be working on it. Not sure I will be able to post anything, but we shall see.
thanks Dave. From my own corner of the world, I'd be curious if the numbers allow for a 2-bid Liberty League (can't imagine getting 3 like last year), if the loser of a potential New Paltz-Geneseo SUNYAC final would have a C shot, or how close to the cut line Hartwick and the MSMC-USMMA Skyline final loser might be (again, my first guess would be considerably below said line).
I don't see the Skyline getting a second bid no matter how it breaks. SUNYAC being two bids, maybe, but only if Geneseo wins I think. Liberty two bids ... I need to look at that.
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Pending bid thieves this week, here are the 20 at-large bids I came up with based on eyeballing record, SOS and vRRO against each other. I admit I did not dive into schedules to see who beat who (whom beat whom?)
Chicago, Amherst, Tufts, RIT, Hope, Baldwin Wallace, Vassar, Illinois Wesleyan, UW-Whitewater, Johns Hopkins, Smith, Middlebury, UW-La Crosse, Loras, Marymount, Emory & Henry, UT Dallas, Oglethorpe, Emory, Geneseo.
Looking a little closer into the Empire State, I'm cautiously optimistic for New Paltz and Ithaca if things go wrong this weekend, markedly less so for Hartwick and yes, a quick goodbye to the dream of a two-bid Skyline.
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top seeds Babson and Smith both lose at home in the NEWMAC semifinals to MIT and Springfield respectively.
Babson was obliterated by 27 points with the same number of turnovers and will be squarely on the knife edge of the bubble. I initially had Smith as a mid-proceedings Pool C selection but I'm not so sure anymore.
6) Kean at 4) Rutgers-Newark for the 1-bid NJAC title. That league has slipped hard this year, wow.
Look out for Ohio Northern as a bid thief. Back to back road OAC tourney upsets over BW and Marietta.
My guess as to the pecking order of the top 4 teams from the Northeast to go to the selection table-- assuming that Bowdoin and St Joe's Maine get AQs:
1.) Amherst
2.) Tufts
3.) Middlebury (#5 in final NE rankings on Monday)
4.). Smith (#6 in final NE rankings on Monday)
5.). MIT (#7-- assuming that Springfield wins AQ).
MIT may win on Saturday and not need a Pool C.
Middlebury has head to head win over Smith and is 1-0 vs Springfield (common opponent with Smith. Middlebury also plays regionally ranked Bowdoin on Saturday. (#1 in Northeast).
Agree - I think Midd's win over Trinity in the NESCAC quarters ties off the league nicely at 4 bids. I see the Bants as close but no cigar.
Sad but true. That was their play-in game for the NCAA Tournament and they didn't win it.
Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 18, 2019, 11:04:25 AM
Anyone have thoughts on the women's Pool C landscape heading into conference tournament week? Luckily the B picture is the easiest decision in the history of the tournament thanks to 25-0 Thomas More's last ride.
In the NE: The duo of: Bowdoin/Amherst/Tufts that DO NOT win the NESCAC pool A will be pool C teams, the first 2 teams selected from the Northeast, and if the Tufts/Amherst winner tomorrow ends up winning the pool A on Sunday, that games loser & Bowdoin could very well be the first 2 teams selected overall.
St. Joseph's (ME) currently unbeaten is likely a tournament team regardless of whatever happens this weekend. They are higher ranked than the Albertus men's teams were, but that would be a bad loss. I don't think it would keep them out, but they may be sweating for a while. Smith (#5) and Babson (#7) both lost in the NEWMAC semifinals with Smith losing to 10th ranked MIT which I think makes the NEWMAC a 1 bid league.
Middlebury (#6) beat #9 Trinity in the NESCAC quarterfinals and now play #1 Bowdoin. Even if they win the Bowdoin game I think the overall high number of losses (7) keeps them out. Trinity is done.
The last conference on here is the LEC: Mass-Boston (#12) just finished the season losing in the conference quarterfinals, has lost 3 straight, and ended the year losers of 5 of their last 7; they are done. The championship game will be between Eastern Connecticut (#11) and Mass-Dartmouth (#8). Whoever wins that game is likely the only team in the field out of the conference as the loser would just be too far back in my opinion.
So, my recap of the Pool C landscape in the Northeast: 2 guaranteed Pool C bids (Tufts, Amherst, Bowdoin duo), and a 3rd bid should the Joes Monks lose in the GNAC championship game. I believe the region will get at least a 3rd bid regardless: My guess is Middlebury would be first up (they get in if Joes wins the GNAC pool A), than Smith would be next followed by Dartmouth (should they lose), but I don't see anyone over that first team getting a bid.
I'm not certain at all that St Joe's Maine would get in if they lose in the GNAC tournament, brutal as that may sound.
Their profile is totally empty except for the -0 in the loss column. 0-0 record against RROs. .504 strength of schedule entering the week. That's disqualifyingly low for a Pool C bid based on the other teams in regional rankings around the country.
The women's committee tends to favor the WL% a slight bit more than the men or prognosticators. I think that is why St. Joe's has been relatively high in the regional rankings.
Also, in the past we have selected teams with other data seeming to give the advantage and the committee has gone with the better record.
Not sure if that continues, but something to chew on.
Top two seeds Guilford and E&H both lost in the ODAC tournament. That could be great news for bubble teams elsewhere in the country as despite a gaudy record, Emory & Henry in particular may have just played its way out of the Field of 64.
That's why I said they would be sweating. They were still #4 in the region even with the bad numbers, and would've made the conference championship game while both Smith & Babson lost in the semifinals of their conference tournament. If the Monks were 7th or lower I would agree they would need a win to get in, but I think sitting at #4 this week they'll ultimately get into the dance even if it's late in the process. By rounds 17 or 18, assuming Mid doesn't block them and the rest of the region, that winning percentage is going to stand out over the other teams at the table, SOS be dammed.
I wouldn't say that about E&H. They were pretty high up in the South Regional Rankings. They will get to the table and their SOS was .529. It is now .540 (subject to still change).
I think they still get in.
St Joe's Maine needs a Pool C. Despite the lack of results v RRO, I think the Monks wil get in. They have a common opponent with Pool C candidate Chicago in Husson. The Monks beat Husson this year, while Husson beat Chicago by 5 on a neutral floor. That, plus the winning pct, should get the Monks in.
I don't envy the committee making that decision, that's for sure. I can see both sides of the argument.
The Bubble is pleased with two late-breaking results, Messiah taking care of Lycoming in the MAC Commonwealth finals and John Carroll's 5th year senior Shmoo Pryor (Shmoo!!!) hitting a three with four seconds left to take down Ohio Northern in the OAC title game.
East Conn beats UMD in overtime for the LEC title. If it's UMD vs SJC for the last bid...wow, that would be close. I think I'd have to go Corsairs if pressed.
Tremendous finish coming up in the SUNYAC. New Paltz has erased a sizable deficit to tie Geneseo with 7 seconds left......overtime. A great look from deep rattles out for Geneseo at the buzzer.
Elsewhere, Haverford blows out Gettysburg to bring a 3-bid Centennial Conference closer to reality and quite possibly shrink the bubble one spot. I had the Fords as one of the last teams out prior to championship week.
New Paltz wins by 6 in overtime. The Hawks probably would have been in regardless, but the Knights, ehhhhhh I dunno. It'll be a nervous day and a half at the very least for them now.
Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 23, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
East Conn beats UMD in overtime for the LEC title. If it's UMD vs SJC for the last bid...wow, that would be close. I think I'd have to go Corsairs if pressed.
Tremendous finish coming up in the SUNYAC. New Paltz has erased a sizable deficit to tie Geneseo with 7 seconds left......overtime. A great look from deep rattles out for Geneseo at the buzzer.
Elsewhere, Haverford blows out Gettysburg to bring a 3-bid Centennial Conference closer to reality and quite possibly shrink the bubble one spot. I had the Fords as one of the last teams out prior to championship week.
New Paltz wins by 6 in overtime. The Hawks probably would have been in regardless, but the Knights, ehhhhhh I dunno. It'll be a nervous day and a half at the very least for them now.
Both lost at home in the conference finals to teams they had beaten once earlier in the year at home (and in Dartmouth's case playing twice and winning the road game @ Eastern as well). Seeing as how St. Joes was #4 in the last ranking and Dartmouth was #8, I don't see how St. Joes will end up behind Dartmouth, so it won't come to that point. I think Middlebury actually gets sandwiched between the 2 so Dartmouth is never even at the table for discussion vs. the other 6 regions. I'm still sticking with my projections from last night: NE gets 3 pool C bids: The Tufts/Bowdoin loser, Amherst & the St. Joes Monks. Middlebury will be next in line, but they never make it off the table.
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This is it! The regular season is over. The conference titles have been handed out and 86 teams know they will be playing next week in the NCAA Division III men's and women's Championship Tournaments!
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The Division III basketball regular season has officially entered it's final month. Where has the time gone?
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Things are heating up in Division III as the first set of Regional Rankings are due out next week.
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- Gordon Mann, Top 25 Double-Take
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Women's first Regional Rankings released.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:31:27 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
In the South:
- Looks like the ASC is in excellent shape for a Pool C bid
- Looks like the only way the SCAC could earn one would be for Austin to defeat Trinity in the SCAC final, assuming both go undefeated the rest of the way, Trinity might stay high enough to nab one
Really was expecting Austin to be ranked; probably would be had they not lost unexpectedly to Southwestern. That at the low SOS ...
Of course there are still two weeks to play ;)
And more data to be added that wasn't used this week. :)
Central Region National Committee member moves from UWP to UWSP.
https://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2020/2/12/general-wilson-returns-to-uwsp-as-associate-athletic-director.aspx
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The first Regional Rankings of the season are out and there are plenty of reactions ... and questions.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, we chat with a few programs who are in those rankings and others who know the best way into the NCAA tournaments is to win their conference. Plus, we find out how a fast break is a solid investment in giving back. And do you really understand the Strength of Schedule math and what is does, and does not, tell the ranking committees?
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The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Thanks for posting this link. I've seen a lot of games in the East Region and was curious to see the standings - it seems like there is overwhelming support for the SUNY conference with 4 of the 8 teams ranked being from that one conference. The only other region that seems to have something similar to this is the NESCAC and they don't even occupy half of the standings, they are 5 of 12 ranked teams...surprising because the SUNY Conference isn't necessarily a powerhouse conference. Buffalo State, ranked #8, is 14-10 and 1-6 in region having lost their last 3 games...wile the Liberty League has only 2 teams ranked and the Empire8 1 team in the standings (St. Lawrence from the Liberty league is 16-7 and 2-3 in region and are 10-2 over the last 12 games with wins against Ithaca and Vassar who are both ranked). Seems like there should be more consideration for other leagues. That last ranked spot for Buffalo State is giving the other SUNY teams wins in region. Nazareth of the Empire8 beat Buffalo State by 12 head to head and is 16-8 overall. I'm curious to know how Buffalo State was selected for the #8 spot and who decides these rankings for each region?
Quote from: actionBB on February 19, 2020, 07:40:45 PM
Thanks for posting this link. I've seen a lot of games in the East Region and was curious to see the standings - it seems like there is overwhelming support for the SUNY conference with 4 of the 8 teams ranked being from that one conference. The only other region that seems to have something similar to this is the NESCAC and they don't even occupy half of the standings, they are 5 of 12 ranked teams...surprising because the SUNY Conference isn't necessarily a powerhouse conference. Buffalo State, ranked #8, is 14-10 and 1-6 in region having lost their last 3 games...wile the Liberty League has only 2 teams ranked and the Empire8 1 team in the standings (St. Lawrence from the Liberty league is 16-7 and 2-3 in region and are 10-2 over the last 12 games with wins against Ithaca and Vassar who are both ranked). Seems like there should be more consideration for other leagues. That last ranked spot for Buffalo State is giving the other SUNY teams wins in region. Nazareth of the Empire8 beat Buffalo State by 12 head to head and is 16-8 overall. I'm curious to know how Buffalo State was selected for the #8 spot and who decides these rankings for each region?
The regional advisory committees for each region recommend rankings to the National Committee, but the National Committee has the final say each week in these rankings. The chairs of each RAC are members of the National Committee, and these chairs do not vote on the rankings at the RAC's draft recommendation stage. The RAC chairs meet as a group after each individual RAC makes its recommendation to check if adjustments need to be made prior to publication of the regional rankings.
Just a caveat. For primary criteria ranking purposes, Buffalo State is 14-9 vs d3, for a winning pct of .609. The 10th loss only counts if you need to go to secondary criteria.
Also, Buffalo State has a SOS over .500, while St Lawrence and Nazareth have SOS's under .500.
Buffalo State is not getting in as a Pool C. They are ranked #8 in the East because somebody has to be ranked #8 in the East.
To follow up on my last post--
For purposes of Week 2 rankings
1.) Buffalo State-- .609 W/L pct, SOS of .526, 1-6 v RRO
(ignore game vs non d3 Bryant & Stratton).
2.). St Lawrence-- .696 w/l pct, SOS of .481, 2-3 v RRO
3.). Nazareth-- .667 w/l pct, SOS of .452, 2-0 v RRO.
None of these teams have a high w/l pct or a high SOS for Pool C selection-- all 3 of those teams would need to win the AQ to get in to the NCAAs.
Remember, if a team is regionally ranked next week, that team is regionally ranked for selection purposes, and results against a team regionally ranked next week count for Pool C selection purposes as well.
Quote from: actionBB on February 19, 2020, 07:40:45 PM
... I'm curious to know how Buffalo State was selected for the #8 spot and who decides these rankings for each region?
I typed a long drawn-out answer but deiscanton did a better job, so off the bit-bucket it goes.
This is a pretty weak region overall; Buffalo State wouldn't sniff the regional rankings in most of them, but due to the way teams in D3 are spread out, the regional ranking method is used by the NCAA across most sports (exceptions would be things like track/field or swimming where you pick participants based on absolute times). When it comes to selecting Pool C participants, the top remaining teams from each region are evaluated and the best one is selected, promoting the next team in that region to the "top of the table" to be compared with the other top regional teams the next round, rinse and repeat until all the Pool C bids are exhausted. So everyone above Buffalo State in the East would have to be in the playoffs (either as an auto-bid conference winner, or as a Pool C selection through the evaluation process above) for them to even be considered, and in the unlikely event that happened, their resume wouldn't weigh up against the teams in the other regions with much stronger results.
Thanks, deiscanton for the information. I didn't realize SOS was a large part of the equation but that makes sense. I'm still surprised their aren't better overall qualifiers as a whole. Is Buffalo State the highest RPI in the east region? I just imagined that having Buffalo State ranked makes the other teams in that conference look like they are beating a regional opponent and why not give those wins to another conference. Thanks for the lengthy explanation.
D-III doesn't use an RPI. The lack of interregional play and the fact that we have fewer non-conference games than D-I makes an RPI equation a little less useful.
Side note: Have always wanted someone at RPI to come up with an RPI that works for D-III.
Buff State won't be considered as a regionally ranked opponent until they start to work on next week's rankings.
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The second Regional Rankings are out, conference races are finishing up while some tournaments have begun. The frenetic finish to the regular season has begun.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, we chat to a few teams who are either leading their conference standings or could shake them up in their final scheduled games. Plus, a true #whyd3 way of approaching the season - giving back to the community while playing the game.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):- Sacha Santimano, Eastern Nazarene women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Matt Hunter, York (Pa.) men's coach
- Kevin Broderick, Nazareth men's coach
- Shanan Rosenberg, Linfield men's coach
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
D-III doesn't use an RPI. The lack of interregional play and the fact that we have fewer non-conference games than D-I makes an RPI equation a little less useful.
Side note: Have always wanted someone at RPI to come up with an RPI that works for D-III.
Buff State won't be considered as a regionally ranked opponent until they start to work on next week's rankings.
Sounds like a good senior thesis topic; winner is named to the D3 All-Academic team. ;)
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There is just one week left in the regular season and with it comes conference chaos.
Some conference tournaments are already underway and have seen upsets. It will be the theme of the week. With conference tournaments come upsets. Those upsets will cause teams on the NCAA tournament bubble to have their hopes burst. And there will be some Cinderellas who will capture the headlines.
Could it be any more fun?
Sunday on Hoopsville (starting at a special earlier time) we chat with a few programs who are either looking to avoid the conference chaos or be a part of it.
Plus, there is changes coming to the way we look at the current regional structure. How the process started and flowed for the last 18 or more months. And what you can expect it all to look in the future.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Pat Devaney, Sr., NJCU women's coach
- Brad Bankston, ODAC Commissioner
- Josh Merkel, No. 2 Randolph-Macon men's coach
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
- Jeff Gard, No. 7 UW Platteville men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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waiting for latest regional rankings when men had theirs released (twice, LOL) yesterday :(
Yeah. Men moved to a Tuesday release and women stayed on a Wednesday cycle.
Regional rankings are out and data sheets are updated!
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-women/d3/regional-rankings-0
Always nice to give us some love: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
I'm sorry Dave, I didn't see it updated on d3hoops.com site yet otherwise I would've linked there. Must have just been seconds apart.
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on February 26, 2020, 02:20:27 PM
I'm sorry Dave, I didn't see it updated on d3hoops.com site yet otherwise I would've linked there. Must have just been seconds apart.
All good ... it usually takes us a couple of minutes to turn them around. :)
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The race for conference championships and automatic bids to the NCAA tournaments is nearly at it's peak. In less than 72 hours, we will know who have punched their tickets to the 'dance' and who sits on the edge of their seat hoping to keep playing in March.
Thursday night on Hoopsville, we not only recap what has already happened in conference tournaments across Division III, but we also look ahead at what should be an exciting final weekend of the regular season. Conference champions crowned, upsets, and those who's hopes to still playing will see their bubbles burst.
We also talk to both national committee chairs about the work left ahead of them, what they hope people understand about the process, and how they see bracketing coming together. Plus, we look ahead at the second annual Beyond Sports & WBCA Division III Women's All-Star Game and championship weekend.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Dixie Jeffers, Capital women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Karin Harvey, Montclair State women's coach & DIII Women's National Committee Chair
- Sam Atkinson, Gallaudet Assoc. Dir. of Communications & DIII Men's National Committee Chair
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National #4 UW-Whitewater squashed at home by UW-Oshkosh; that could shrink the bubble especially if La Crosse doesn't end up winning the WIAC.
Atlantic #5 Mount Saint Mary takes a stunning 15-point loss at home to St. Joseph's (Brooklyn) in the Skyline Semifinals.
New England #3 WNEU loses at home to UNE. Two-bid CCC that shrinks the bubble further or does WNEU fall all the way out?
Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 27, 2020, 09:53:34 PM
National #4 UW-Whitewater squashed at home by UW-Oshkosh; that could shrink the bubble especially if La Crosse doesn't end up winning the WIAC.
Atlantic #5 Mount Saint Mary takes a stunning 15-point loss at home to St. Joseph's (Brooklyn) in the Skyline Semifinals.
New England #3 WNEU loses at home to UNE. Two-bid CCC that shrinks the bubble further or does WNEU fall all the way out?
Could? UWW losing DOES shrink the bubble ... as dues UWL because they lost tonight as well. That is two bubbles gone.
WNE losing also pops the bubble.
WIAC has a third bid that was unexpected if everything went chalk ... CCC with an extra one as well. So at minimum two bubbles popped.
Any shot of a Pool C for the NACC final loser? Either Edgewood or Benedictine would be 24-3. But SOS not too strong.
Benedictine's strength of schedule is much lower than the team with the lowest SOS to make the Tournament last year (St. Joe's of Maine at 0.511). I think they miss out unfortunately.
To whomever's bubble Trinity(TX) burst today, my sincere apologies. What a time to go 4-31 on threes ...
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
To whomever's bubble Trinity(TX) burst today, my sincere apologies. What a time to go 4-31 on threes ...
Y I K E S. Yeah, that'll do it.
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
To whomever's bubble Trinity(TX) burst today, my sincere apologies. What a time to go 4-31 on threes ...
I mean... I'm not mad ;)
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What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.
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WOW - buried in this is a request from the women's basketball committee to move up the AQ deadline to 4pm ET instead of the current 6pm ET timing: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/regional-rankings-protocol-set-division-iii
Championships Committee wants a little more time to review it.
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Hello Dave, I just finished watching the replay on YT on Thursday's Hoopsville. WBB pre-championship manual is saying the regional rankings will come on Wednesday.
It would appear we are going to get men's regional rankings and Tuesday's and women's on Wednesday's. Kind of nice to spread them out and give each their own day. Although like you said coming Tuesday's would be a bit more relevant.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/women/2021_22D3WBB_PreChampionshipManual.pdf
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on January 28, 2022, 02:28:57 PM
Hello Dave, I just finished watching the replay on YT on Thursday's Hoopsville. WBB pre-championship manual is saying the regional rankings will come on Wednesday.
It would appear we are going to get men's regional rankings and Tuesday's and women's on Wednesday's. Kind of nice to spread them out and give each their own day. Although like you said coming Tuesday's would be a bit more relevant.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/women/2021_22D3WBB_PreChampionshipManual.pdf
There may be a typo in the manual. From what we have been told, both groups are getting their rankings out on Tuesday. It isn't unheard of that the manual just copy and paste from the past (or don't edit) general things and don't update.
That all said ... we will be talking to BOTH chairs again on Thursday's Marathon show, so worst case we will find out then. :)
That said ... I don't think spreading them out and giving them each their own day makes any sense or difference. It isn't like they need some special treatment or anything. :)
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2022, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on January 28, 2022, 02:28:57 PM
Hello Dave, I just finished watching the replay on YT on Thursday's Hoopsville. WBB pre-championship manual is saying the regional rankings will come on Wednesday.
It would appear we are going to get men's regional rankings and Tuesday's and women's on Wednesday's. Kind of nice to spread them out and give each their own day. Although like you said coming Tuesday's would be a bit more relevant.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/women/2021_22D3WBB_PreChampionshipManual.pdf
There may be a typo in the manual. From what we have been told, both groups are getting their rankings out on Tuesday. It isn't unheard of that the manual just copy and paste from the past (or don't edit) general things and don't update.
That all said ... we will be talking to BOTH chairs again on Thursday's Marathon show, so worst case we will find out then. :)
That said ... I don't think spreading them out and giving them each their own day makes any sense or difference. It isn't like they need some special treatment or anything. :)
Please ask them about the effect of this statement from the handbook:
At-Large Selection Countable Games. Only games listed on the institution's
originally submitted schedule will
be considered for tournament-selection purposes. The addition of games not listed on the institution's published
schedule as an aid for selection shall not be considered.
It means to me that none of the replacement games during this season's covid rescheduling are to be considered. If not their intention, they should change the language.
That line is a response to spring sports trying to game the system at the end of the year and I'm sure you don't need to worry about it being enforced here. The committee understands the fluid nature of the pandemic and that teams are just trying to get games in.
Well then, what other rules aren't going to be enforced? Get them out of the handbook.
Quote from: ronk on January 31, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
Well then, what other rules aren't going to be enforced? Get them out of the handbook.
I believe the submission of schedule is not something done at the beginning of the year, but at the end of their run in conference. What it's meant to prevent is a team going out in the first round of the conference tournament and then scheduling another game or two before selection day to boost the resume.
My understanding, anyway, is that the schedule for consideration is the one that comes once the regular season ends.
That would be more plausible.
That is basically the reason for those types of reads. In the spring, there tends to be conference tournaments earlier than the end of the season and a lot of monkeying around takes place.
On today's Hoopsville we had Craig Dagan on the show. He's on Region 1's RAC in WBB as coach of Maine Maritime. They had just had their mock rankings today. And chatting with him that pretty much confirms rankings will be out on Tuesday.
In the past, RACs met on Tuesdays with the national committee meeting on Wednesday and the rankings released Wednesday afternoons.
As I've said before, that has shifted to Mondays and Tuesdays now. Dagan feels the rankings will be out next Tuesday.
Again, there are times the handbooks don't get updated items that either hardly ever change or anyone notices. This likely is one of those scenarios.
UPDATE: I am told by the committee chair women are staying on Wednesdays for Regional Rankings release. We will talk more about this on Thursday's show with the chair and men's chair.
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The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathonThis year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.
The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.
Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
- Conner Delaney, Johns Hopkins men's senior
- Frank Marcinek, Susquehanna men's coach
- Dan Krikorian, Chapman men's coach and Co-Host of "Slappin' Glass" podcast
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- Larry Anderson (MIT men's coach)
- Kam Gissendanner (La Roche women's coach)
- Jason Harris (UMass-Boston men's coach)
- Gary Stewart (Stevenson men's coach)
- Gary Stewart, Stevenson men's coach and NABC Board member
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- Michael Schauer, Wheaton men's coach and men's committee chair
- Megan Wilson, Luther Associate AD and women's committee chair
- Dan Kenny, John Jay men's sophomore and volunteer firefighter
- Jina DeRubbo, Washington & Jefferson women's coach
- Cameron Hill, Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Stephen Gabel, Nazareth men's senior
- State of DIII with Louise McCleary, Interim Vice President for Division III
- Jim Haney, Division III Men's Officiating Coordinator
- Fred Roggin, NBC4 LA Sports Anchor and AM570 LA Sports Host
- Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Gordon Mann and Scott Peterson
- "Happy Hour" with friends of Hoopsville and D3 basketball
Regional listings are out:
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On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.
Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.
Guests included:
- Jenna Cosgrove, Rhode Island women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 2 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Thornhill, Fontbonne men's coach
- James Wallace, LeTourneau men's coach
- Keri Carollo, No. 7 UW Whitewater women's coach
- Anthony Mason, Vassar women's coach
- Top 25 Double-Take Super Sized: Akiva Poppers, Bob Quillman, Mike Rejniak, Ryan Whitnable
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Regional Rankings are out, but I can only get the stat sheet for Region I right now.
Everything you need: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Thank you for updating the WBB rankings data today FFTMAG.
The countdown is on! Ten more days until the regular season comes to a close and we find out who will be playing for the Walnut and Bronze!
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Thursday on Hoopsville, there is plenty to keep track of throughout Division III.
Hoopsville starts immediately following the NCAA Division III National Committee's announcement of the Top 16 "seeds" in both men's and women's rankings aired. We chatted with both national committee chairs, Michael Schauer of Wheaton (Ill.) and Megan Wilson of Luther, about the release, how they came to the decisions, and what they hope to inspire with the announcements. Plus more.
Then we talk to coaches around the country about their programs and how they are positioning themselves for conference tournaments.
Guests include:
- National Committee Chairs
- Michael Schauer, No. 11 Wheaton (Ill.) coach
- Megan Wilson, Luther Associate Athletics Director
- Brendan Twomey, Farmingdale State men's coach
- Greg Mitchell, Hope men's coach
- Nick DiPillo, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 6 Whitman women's coach
We had scheduled to talk to Christine VanHook from PSU-Behrend women's basketball, but there was a last minute scheduling conflict. We hope to catch up with Coach VanHook in the next week.Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb17Podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/hoopsville/1922-10-more-days?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
Based on last week's regional rankings, a not so SWAG at the Pool C.
Region 1 - Amherst, Tufts, Trinity (Conn.) - the two that do not win the NESCAC (2)
Region 2 - Springfield, Babson (2)
Region 3 - (0)
Region 4 - (0)
Region 5 - Johns Hopkins, Catholic (2)
Region 6 - (0)
Region 7 - Hope/Trine loser, Baldwin Wallace, Marietta, Oberlin, Otterbein (5)
Region 8 - Carroll (1)
Region 9 - UW-EC, Wartburg, Loras, UW-Oshkosh, Augsburg/Gustavus Adolphus loser (5)
Region 10 - East Texas Baptist, UC-Santa Cruz, Hardin-Simmons (3)
Who should be in that isn't and who should be out that is listed as in?
(I'm new at predicting Pool C bids, so go easy on me!)
Region 1
mostly agreed.
Maybe St. Joseph's Maine or Husson could be in the convo?
Region 2
Agree on Springfield. I might put WPI ahead of Babson? Very close there.
Region 3
Agreed
Region 4
Agreed
Region 5
Agreed on the top 2. I think E-town, Salisbury, York could be in the convo
Region 6
I think Berea is a Pool C
Region 7
Agreed on Hope/Trine loser, and on BW, Marietta.
I think Otterbein is right on the bubble, with OWU next up from this region. I think Oberlin is pretty far out.
Region 8
Agreed
Region 9
Wartburg and Oshkosh are my top 2 Pool C. Next EC on the bubble.
I think the loser of Augburg/Gustavus is on the outside looking in, esp if it's Gustavus.
Region 10
Agreed on ETBU and HSU.
Personally I would hope Santa Cruz gets in. I have no idea how they're viewed. Only 8-3 vs D3. Does that matter? the few games?
But excellent SOS, and 2 wins vRRO.
In general I think your picks are spot on.
I am seeing more from Region 5 and fewer from 9 and 10 than you are.
Reg Team Conf C Rnk
R01 Amherst NESCAC 1
R07 Hope MIAA 2
R09 UW-Oshkosh WIAC 3
R02 Springfield NEWMAC 4
R05 Johns Hopkins CC 5
R09 UW-Eau Claire WIAC 6
R05 Elizabethtown LAND 7
R07 Baldwin Wallace OAC 8
R01 Trinity (Conn.) NESCAC 9
R05 Catholic LAND 10
R02 Babson NEWMAC 11
R05 Salisbury C2C 12
R07 Marietta OAC 13
R10 East Texas Bap ASC 14
R09 Wartburg ARC 15
R05 York (Pa.) MACC 16
R06 Mary Wash C2C 17
R10 Puget Sound NWC 18
R02 WPI NEWMAC 19
R10 Hardin-Simmon ASC 20
R01 Husson NAC 21
R03 Hartwick E8 22
R01 Bates NESCAC 23
R07 Oberlin NCAC 24
R03 SUNY New Paltz SUNYAC 25
https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-womens-basketball-regional.html
Using Matt Snyder's work the above are the top 25 "C" pool teams. This assumes there is an "A" team ahead for each of these conferences (for example Tufts is the NESCAC auto-bid, therefore Amherst shows up as the first "C" team from Region 1).
Given there will be upsets in the conference tournaments, where an "A" team loses but still deserves a "C" spot, we should assume 15-ish of these teams get an invite and those 5 upset winners, who are not in the top 25 "C" teams listed above, are added to the tournament.
My reverse engineering skills could be off, but Snyder's Rating appears to be WP weighted 35% and SOS weighted 65%.
I think the committee puts more weight on WP than SOS. And takes into account record vRRO.
If these teams don't win their conferences, I think it bursts a Pool C bubble:
For sure bursts a bubble (7)
Roger Williams
Transylvania
Ithaca
Wisconsin Lutheran
Whitman
Rhodes
Cortland
Potentially bursts a bubble (2)
St. John Fisher (potentially)
DePauw (potentially)
I think most of the other conferences have a pretty clear Pool C backing the "predicted Pool A" (though totally possible for a non-top 2 team to win the auto bid in a conference)
Quote from: MrMaus on February 21, 2022, 02:08:37 PM
Reg Team Conf C Rnk
R01 Amherst NESCAC 1
R07 Hope MIAA 2
R09 UW-Oshkosh WIAC 3
R02 Springfield NEWMAC 4
R05 Johns Hopkins CC 5
R09 UW-Eau Claire WIAC 6
R05 Elizabethtown LAND 7
R07 Baldwin Wallace OAC 8
R01 Trinity (Conn.) NESCAC 9
R05 Catholic LAND 10
R02 Babson NEWMAC 11
R05 Salisbury C2C 12
R07 Marietta OAC 13
R10 East Texas Bap ASC 14
R09 Wartburg ARC 15
R05 York (Pa.) MACC 16
R06 Mary Wash C2C 17
R10 Puget Sound NWC 18
R02 WPI NEWMAC 19
R10 Hardin-Simmon ASC 20
R01 Husson NAC 21
R03 Hartwick E8 22
R01 Bates NESCAC 23
R07 Oberlin NCAC 24
R03 SUNY New Paltz SUNYAC 25
https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-womens-basketball-regional.html
Using Matt Snyder's work the above are the top 25 "C" pool teams. This assumes there is an "A" team ahead for each of these conferences (for example Tufts is the NESCAC auto-bid, therefore Amherst shows up as the first "C" team from Region 1).
Given there will be upsets in the conference tournaments, where an "A" team loses but still deserves a "C" spot, we should assume 15-ish of these teams get an invite and those 5 upset winners, who are not in the top 25 "C" teams listed above, are added to the tournament.
Thanks for sharing, Matt's stuff is always great. The conflict here is that I was using the regional rankings from last week and if they hold form teams like Elizabethtown may be blocked from ever getting to the table.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 02:10:55 PM
If these teams don't win their conferences, I think it bursts a Pool C bubble:
For sure bursts a bubble (7)
Roger Williams
Transylvania
Ithaca
Wisconsin Lutheran
Whitman
Rhodes
Cortland
Potentially bursts a bubble (2)
St. John Fisher (potentially)
DePauw (potentially)
I think most of the other conferences have a pretty clear Pool C backing the "predicted Pool A" (though totally possible for a non-top 2 team to win the auto bid in a conference)
Depauw is already a lock to make the tournament, if they lose in conference there is no potentially about it they are in. If Wisconsin Lutheran loses another, they probably fall behind Carroll in Region 8 and very well may never get to the table either.
Yep, I wasn't clear.
If any of those teams lose, I think they get a Pool C, and the team replacing them with a Pool A means that lower Pool C's have their bubble burst.
DePauw is way in. If you think Oberlin already gets a Pool C, then Oberlin upsetting and taking the Pool A doesn't burst anyone's bubble. But if you think Oberlin is outside the Pool C cutoff, then them winning the NCAC Pool A will burst someone's bubble, because DePauw would be a Pool C lock in that scenario.
I'm analyzing teams that at first glance seem like they should be Regionally Ranked, and since they're not, seeing what we can infer/assume about how the committee is valuing specific criteria.
TLDR:
SOS under ~0.480 is very unlikely to be regionally ranked
WP under ~0.535 is very unlikely to be regionally ranked
Interesting to see Webster not in the Regional Rankings, but Oberlin, RIC, and Southern Virginia are.
All 4 have:
* Win % over 0.800
* SOS under .520
* 0 wins vRRO
Oberlin, RIC, and Southern Virginia are 0-2, 0-4, 0-3 v RRO. Webster is 0-0.
Webster has by fas the worst SOS, but also by far the best win%.
This would indicate to me that the committee views Webster's SOS in a non-linear way, basically it's too low to consider them at all.
Lowest SOS by a RRO is 0.482
This would be why we don't see Framingham State in the RRO either.
Next analysis: Mt. St. Mary
0.870 WP
0.512 SOS
0-1 v RRO
Now there are 3 ranked teams with 0 wins vRRO (the three mentioned above)
Mt. St. Mary has a higher WP than all three (well, tied with Oberlin), AND a higher SOS.
Really not sure what's the difference there that caused Mt. St. Mary to miss the regional rankings.
Next analysis: Merchant Marine
Very low SOS and 0-0 vRRO. but really not that different from RIC or Southern Virginia
Next analysis: UW-Stout
Team A:
0.565 WP
0.625 SOS
4-6 v RRO
Team B:
0.542 WP
0.608 SOS
5-8 v RRO
Team A is UW-Stout (not regionally ranked)
Team B is WashU (5th in Region 8)
Among the top SOS teams, WashU has the worst WP.
We can assume that any WP under ~0.535 won't be considered for Regional Rankings.
Coast Guard and UW-LaCrosse have similar WP and SOS to WashU, but much worse RRO record. Makes sense why they're not ranked.
UW-Stout is the only team with at least 4 wins vRRO that is not regionally ranked.
Next analysis: Pacific
Team A
0.720 WP
0.547 SOS
2-4 v RRO
Team B
0.650 WP
0.543 SOS
1-6 v RRO
Team A is Pacific (not ranked)
Team B is UT Dallas (#8 in Region 10)
I think Pacific has a much much stronger resume.
Next analysis: Northwestern Minn
Basically identical resume to Augsburg. Augsburg right at the bottom of the regional rankings. I bet Northwestern was first one out.
Next analysis: Widener
Team A
0.696 WP
0.524 SOS
1-7 v RRO
Team B
0.739 WP
0.519 SOS
2-5 v RRO
Team A is Ohio Northern (#10 in Region 7)
Team B is Widener (not ranked)
Next analysis: Roanoke
Team A
0.800 WP
0.525 SOS
1-4 v RRO
Team B
0.800 WP
0.512 SOS
1-4 v RRO
Team A is Roanoke (not ranked)
Team B is Piedmont (#6 in Region 6)
Scott's opinion
Should be out:
Montclair St.
UT Dallas
Ohio Northern
King's PA
RIC
Should be in:
Mt. St. Mary
UW-Stout
Pacific
Widener
Roanoke
We're splitting hairs here at the bottom of regions, but of course, it has big implications for Pool C bids, hosting, and "seeding"
One big caveat is it looks like no region will have fewer than 7 teams ranked? Can someone confirm that?
This is a big deal in Region 4, as otherwise I think all of the bottom 3 would be in danger of being unranked.
Similar, to a lesser extent, with Region 2.
Interesting that Matt Snyder has Greensboro 4th and Roanoke 5th in region 6 yet they are not ranked regionally by the committee.
Yep, I think Matt is just applying a formula to generate his rankings, while the committee is doing more "picking and choosing." (Definitely not saying one is better than the other, just stating assumptions)
Greensboro has a 0.446 SOS. And I think that's so low, that the committee is not gonna even look at the rest of the resume. Similar with Webster.
I really have no idea why Roanoke isn't regionally ranked. I think they have a better resume than ~8-12 teams that ARE regionally ranked.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 03:10:15 PM
One big caveat is it looks like no region will have fewer than 7 teams ranked? Can someone confirm that?
This is a big deal in Region 4, as otherwise I think all of the bottom 3 would be in danger of being unranked.
Similar, to a lesser extent, with Region 2.
Pretty sure the number ranked in each region last week wil be the number ranked this week (that number is a specific % - 20% - of the number of teams in the region). As I understand it, they do rank teams further down (aka the unranked) for the selection and seeding of the tournament - since there will be auto-qulifiers who are not ranked teams, and you need the ranking to compare them. Also may be used if all the ranked teams in a region are already in the tournament, and you need to bring the next best team in that region to the selection process
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
(that number is a specific % - 20% - of the number of teams in the region).
Important fact that I didn't know. Thanks FDF!
So now a lot of my musings are null and void, since you can't knock out a Region 4 team for say a Region 9 team.
Baldini on Region 5 I see you have JH and Catholic you wouldn't put Etown in even though they beat Catholic head to head twice? Also against John Hopkins S.O.S for Etown is higher I think 557 to 535?
Maybe Etown,Catholic and John Hopkins get in not sure.U guys do this alot.Truly appreciate it.Gives us an idea how it all comes together.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 21, 2022, 04:28:37 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 21, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
(that number is a specific % - 20% - of the number of teams in the region).
Important fact that I didn't know. Thanks FDF!
So now a lot of my musings are null and void, since you can't knock out a Region 4 team for say a Region 9 team.
I was wondering where you were going with that but didn't have the energy to get into why it didn't make sense.
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 21, 2022, 05:11:59 PM
Baldini on Region 5 I see you have JH and Catholic you wouldn't put Etown in even though they beat Catholic head to head twice and also against John Hopkins S.O.S for Etown is higher I think 557 to 535?
I was just going off of the regional rankings and if all stays the same in Region 5 Etown will have a long wait to get in if they even get to the table for discussion.
Current Region 5 rankings.
1 Scranton 21-2 21-2
2 Gettysburg 20-3 20-3
3 Messiah 19-2 19-2
4 Johns Hopkins 19-3 19-3
5 Catholic 19-2 19-2
6 York (Pa.) 17-5 17-5
7 Elizabethtown 18-4 18-4
8 Salisbury 16-4 18-4
9 Marymount 13-7 13-7
Under this situation Elizabethtown cannot even be discussed until JHU, Catholic and York have all been selected. Would not be surprised if York blocked Etown from ever having a chance.
Baldini:
By the time the Regional Committee meets for this week, Catholic will have added two more losses (1 to E-town & 1 to Scranton).
Should E-town knock off Catholic for a third time in the Landmark first round, they will have made their case for a spot & it will be the Cardinals working the beads.
Quote from: saratoga on February 21, 2022, 05:44:51 PM
Baldini:
By the time the Regional Committee meets for this week, Catholic will have added two more losses (1 to E-town & 1 to Scranton).
Should E-town knock off Catholic for a third time in the Landmark first round, they will have made their case for a spot & it will be the Cardinals working the beads.
All good points and more than likely there will be some shuffling of the deck this week. My original post was based off of the current regional rankings and meant to be used as a starting point of discussion. One thing is for sure, the Catholic - Etown game on Wednesday is huge for both sides. Much is yet to be determined.
Wondering how UC-Santa Cruz is eligible; the requirement is minimum 70% of schedule against D3 and with 2 games max in the C2C tourney this weekend, they'll be at 65%(13 of 20).
Quote from: ronk on February 21, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
Wondering how UC-Santa Cruz is eligible; the requirement is minimum 70% of schedule against D3 and with 2 games max in the C2C tourney this weekend, they'll be at 65%(13 of 20).
I believe a blanket waiver for the 70 percent requirement was issued for this school year in all sports.
That sounds right but they ought to put the waiver's activation in the pre-championship handbook.
Some schools like Santa Cruz and Nebraska Wesleyan in the pre ARC days, would put in for a waiver every year as a matter of course. It's usually granted for these schools where geography and conference affiliation makes playing a full slate of d3 games more difficult.
although a very good team, unless UCSC wins C2C tournament, I do not think they will get Pool C bid.
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Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 22, 2022, 08:45:55 AM
although a very good team, unless UCSC wins C2C tournament, I do not think they will get Pool C bid.
I would agree. I have really liked what I've seen from UCSC but they just don't have enough quality wins in my opinion. Had they beaten CNU a couple weeks ago, I don't doubt they would be in large contention for a Pool C bid. But a 4-point loss is still a loss and the Tufts loss back in December looks really bad on their resume, even though they had a limited bench.
To me it comes down to how the committee views the only 8 D3 wins.
Other than that:
* WP is good
* SOS is elite
* 2 wins v RRO is right in the mix
Here's a smattering of potential Pool C teams with 2 wins v RRO:
UW-Oshkosh
UC Santa Cruz
Elizabethtown
Wartburg
St. Joseph's ME
Berea
Hardin-Simmons
York PA
Hartwick
Widener
Pacific
Bowdoin
Calvin
Vassar
MIT
Though UCSC being behind Trinity and Redlands in the region indicates the committee is absolutely docking them for the smaller resume.
Both Redlands and Trinity have similar resumes:
* Very good WP
* Very bad SOS (near the "Scott inferred" redline of 0.480)
* Only 1 win v RRO
Reg | Team | Conf | D3 Win % | RR Win % | SoS | # RR Opp | Pool | RR 2/13 | Top 16 2/17 | D3 Hoops 2/20 | NCAA 2/22 | RPI |
R06 | Christopher Newport | C2C | 100% | 100% | 0.577 | 9 | A | 1 | 1 | 613 | 250 | 0.725 |
R07 | Trine | MIAA | 92% | 71% | 0.544 | 7 | A | 1 | 9 | 574 | 209 | 0.675 |
R08 | Transylvania | HCAC | 100% | 100% | 0.540 | 4 | A | 1 | 2 | 560 | 237 | 0.701 |
R09 | Simpson | ARC | 96% | 86% | 0.555 | 7 | A | 1 | 3 | 530 | 203 | 0.696 |
R10 | Whitman | NWC | 95% | 50% | 0.533 | 2 | A | 2 | | 499 | 215 | 0.680 |
R04 | New York University | UAA | 95% | 90% | 0.564 | 10 | A | 1 | 10 | 464 | 193 | 0.701 |
R01 | Amherst | NESCAC | 91% | 88% | 0.600 | 8 | A | 1 | 4 | 429 | 178 | 0.708 |
R07 | DePauw | NCAC | 92% | 71% | 0.540 | 7 | A | 2 | 11 | 388 | 146 | 0.672 |
R09 | UW-Whitewater | WIAC | 88% | 63% | 0.598 | 8 | A | 2 | 7 | 387 | 147 | 0.696 |
R07 | John Carroll | OAC | 87% | 67% | 0.557 | 9 | A | 4 | | 367 | 146 | 0.666 |
R05 | Scranton | LAND | 92% | 78% | 0.585 | 9 | A | 1 | 8 | 271 | 97 | 0.702 |
R10 | Trinity (Texas) | SCAC | 92% | 33% | 0.483 | 3 | A | 4 | | 207 | 98 | 0.636 |
R10 | Mary Hardin-Baylor | ASC | 88% | 75% | 0.537 | 8 | A | 1 | 13 | 197 | 5 | 0.656 |
R02 | Smith | NEWMAC | 91% | 82% | 0.605 | 11 | A | 1 | 6 | 194 | 59 | 0.713 |
R05 | Messiah | MACC | 87% | 67% | 0.570 | 6 | A | 3 | 16 | 146 | 104 | 0.675 |
R08 | Wisconsin Lutheran | NACC | 95% | 100% | 0.487 | 3 | A | 2 | | 140 | 130 | 0.650 |
R03 | St. John Fisher | E8 | 92% | 50% | 0.536 | 4 | A | 2 | | 130 | 57 | 0.670 |
R03 | Ithaca | LL | 88% | 67% | 0.537 | 9 | A | 1 | 15 | 57 | 34 | 0.657 |
R05 | Gettysburg | CC | 88% | 50% | 0.554 | 6 | A | 2 | 14 | 39 | 8 | 0.668 |
R04 | DeSales | MACF | 86% | 67% | 0.519 | 6 | A | 2 | | 19 | 12 | 0.637 |
R08 | Webster | SLIAC | 100% | #DIV/0! | 0.449 | 0 | A | | | 15 | | 0.642 |
R08 | Millikin | CCIW | 80% | 67% | 0.556 | 12 | A | 3 | | 11 | | 0.641 |
R06 | Rhodes | SAA | 90% | 50% | 0.482 | 4 | A | 2 | | 7 | 48 | 0.630 |
R02 | Roger Williams | CCC | 92% | 50% | 0.502 | 2 | A | 3 | | 4 | 36 | 0.647 |
R07 | Washington and Jefferson | PAC | 81% | 0% | 0.475 | 1 | A | | | 4 | | 0.592 |
R09 | Augsburg | MIAC | 79% | 25% | 0.506 | 4 | A | 9 | | 2 | | 0.606 |
R01 | Emmanuel | GNAC | 96% | 75% | 0.483 | 4 | A | 3 | | | | 0.649 |
R03 | Cortland | SUNYAC | 83% | 50% | 0.548 | 4 | A | 3 | | | | 0.648 |
R06 | Washington and Lee | ODAC | 79% | 33% | 0.514 | 3 | A | 3 | | | | 0.611 |
R04 | Kean | NJAC | 74% | 29% | 0.533 | 7 | A | 4 | | | | 0.605 |
R10 | Redlands | SCIAC | 86% | 50% | 0.498 | 2 | A | 5 | | | 1 | 0.624 |
R01 | Husson | NAC | 77% | 50% | 0.546 | 6 | A | 7 | | | | 0.626 |
R02 | Rhode Island College | LEC | 80% | 0% | 0.517 | 4 | A | 7 | | | | 0.616 |
R05 | Marymount | AEC | 70% | 29% | 0.568 | 7 | A | 9 | | | | 0.613 |
R06 | Greensboro | USAC | 95% | 50% | 0.446 | 2 | A | | | | 4 | 0.623 |
R03 | Mount St. Mary | SKY | 87% | 0% | 0.512 | 1 | A | | | | | 0.637 |
R09 | Northwestern (Minn.) | UMAC | 82% | 25% | 0.512 | 4 | A | | | | | 0.619 |
R07 | Penn State-Behrend | AMCC | 83% | 0% | 0.474 | 1 | A | | | | | 0.600 |
R04 | Brooklyn | CUNYAC | 86% | 0% | 0.458 | 3 | A | | | | | 0.600 |
R01 | Framingham State | MASCAC | 87% | 50% | 0.453 | 2 | A | | | | | 0.599 |
R05 | Clarks Summit | CSAC | 82% | 0% | 0.471 | 1 | A | | | | | 0.593 |
R09 | Ripon | MWC | 64% | 0% | 0.521 | 3 | A | | | | | 0.563 |
R02 | New England College | NECC | 71% | 0% | 0.430 | 3 | A | | | | | 0.527 |
R04 | Gallaudet | UEC | 65% | 0% | 0.439 | 1 | A | | | | | 0.513 |
Reg | Team | Conf | D3 Win % | RR Win % | SoS | # RR Opp | Pool | RR 2/13 | Top 16 2/17 | D3 Hoops 2/20 | NCAA 2/22 | RPI |
R07 | Hope | MIAA | 95% | 80% | 0.523 | 5 | C | 3 | 12 | 592 | 233 | 0.674 |
R01 | Tufts | NESCAC | 87% | 75% | 0.632 | 12 | C | 2 | 5 | 391 | 126 | 0.715 |
R07 | Baldwin Wallace | OAC | 82% | 60% | 0.563 | 10 | C | 5 | | 267 | 80 | 0.652 |
R09 | Wartburg | ARC | 83% | 40% | 0.537 | 5 | C | 4 | | 184 | 13 | 0.638 |
R10 | East Texas Baptist | ASC | 83% | 67% | 0.542 | 9 | C | 3 | | 137 | 7 | 0.642 |
R02 | Springfield | NEWMAC | 88% | 57% | 0.539 | 7 | C | 2 | | 92 | 71 | 0.657 |
R10 | Hardin-Simmons | ASC | 82% | 33% | 0.522 | 6 | C | 7 | | 52 | 18 | 0.626 |
R07 | Marietta | OAC | 84% | 50% | 0.536 | 8 | C | 6 | | 36 | | 0.642 |
R01 | Trinity (Conn.) | NESCAC | 76% | 57% | 0.585 | 7 | C | 4 | | 31 | | 0.647 |
R10 | UC Santa Cruz | C2C | 73% | 50% | 0.635 | 4 | C | 6 | | 28 | 12 | 0.667 |
R09 | UW-Oshkosh | WIAC | 78% | 40% | 0.595 | 5 | C | 7 | | 28 | | 0.660 |
R09 | UW-Eau Claire | WIAC | 72% | 60% | 0.621 | 10 | C | 3 | | 12 | | 0.656 |
R09 | Gustavus Adolphus | MIAC | 83% | 33% | 0.496 | 3 | C | 8 | | 10 | | 0.612 |
R05 | Catholic | LAND | 83% | 43% | 0.548 | 7 | C | 5 | | 6 | 32 | 0.645 |
R05 | Elizabethtown | LAND | 83% | 33% | 0.557 | 6 | C | 7 | | 3 | | 0.654 |
R10 | Puget Sound | NWC | 81% | 0% | 0.532 | 3 | C | 9 | | 2 | 34 | 0.629 |
R04 | Stevens | MACF | 74% | 63% | 0.530 | 8 | C | 3 | | | | 0.603 |
R05 | Johns Hopkins | CC | 88% | 75% | 0.539 | 4 | C | 4 | | | 3 | 0.657 |
R02 | Babson | NEWMAC | 74% | 44% | 0.591 | 9 | C | 4 | | | | 0.643 |
R06 | Mary Washington | C2C | 67% | 40% | 0.615 | 10 | C | 4 | | | | 0.633 |
R08 | Carroll | CCIW | 75% | 56% | 0.542 | 9 | C | 4 | | | | 0.615 |
R03 | Vassar | LL | 71% | 25% | 0.545 | 8 | C | 4 | | | | 0.602 |
R06 | Berea | USAC | 82% | 50% | 0.505 | 4 | C | 5 | | | 4 | 0.615 |
R02 | WPI | NEWMAC | 82% | 43% | 0.523 | 7 | C | 5 | | | | 0.626 |
R03 | Hartwick | E8 | 75% | 50% | 0.558 | 4 | C | 5 | | | | 0.625 |
R01 | Bates | NESCAC | 68% | 60% | 0.594 | 10 | C | 5 | | | | 0.625 |
R09 | Loras | ARC | 71% | 33% | 0.557 | 9 | C | 5 | | | | 0.610 |
R08 | Washington U. | UAA | 54% | 38% | 0.608 | 13 | C | 5 | | | | 0.585 |
R04 | Kings | MACF | 70% | 17% | 0.516 | 6 | C | 5 | | | | 0.579 |
R05 | York (Pa.) | MACC | 79% | 40% | 0.548 | 5 | C | 6 | | | | 0.633 |
R01 | St. Josephs (Maine) | GNAC | 83% | 40% | 0.500 | 5 | C | 6 | | | | 0.617 |
R06 | Piedmont | USAC | 80% | 20% | 0.512 | 5 | C | 6 | | | | 0.613 |
R09 | Bethany Lutheran | UMAC | 72% | 50% | 0.538 | 6 | C | 6 | | | | 0.602 |
R08 | Illinois Wesleyan | CCIW | 68% | 55% | 0.557 | 11 | C | 6 | | | | 0.600 |
R02 | MIT | NEWMAC | 60% | 25% | 0.583 | 8 | C | 6 | | | | 0.589 |
R04 | Rowan | NJAC | 67% | 43% | 0.530 | 7 | C | 6 | | | | 0.578 |
R07 | Oberlin | NCAC | 87% | 0% | 0.492 | 2 | C | 7 | | | | 0.624 |
R03 | SUNY New Paltz | SUNYAC | 75% | 25% | 0.555 | 4 | C | 7 | | | | 0.623 |
R06 | Emory | UAA | 65% | 50% | 0.566 | 10 | C | 7 | | | | 0.596 |
R08 | Chicago | UAA | 61% | 31% | 0.585 | 13 | C | 7 | | | | 0.593 |
R04 | Montclair State | NJAC | 61% | 17% | 0.526 | 6 | C | 7 | | | | 0.555 |
R05 | Salisbury | C2C | 77% | 44% | 0.572 | 9 | C | 8 | | | | 0.642 |
R03 | St. Lawrence | LL | 83% | 25% | 0.491 | 4 | C | 8 | | | | 0.611 |
R01 | Maine Maritime | NAC | 82% | 20% | 0.500 | 5 | C | 8 | | | | 0.611 |
R06 | Southern Virginia | USAC | 83% | 0% | 0.492 | 3 | C | 8 | | | | 0.611 |
R07 | Otterbein | OAC | 75% | 33% | 0.516 | 9 | C | 8 | | | | 0.598 |
R10 | Texas-Dallas | ASC | 65% | 14% | 0.543 | 7 | C | 8 | | | | 0.581 |
R08 | Wheaton (Ill.) | CCIW | 60% | 27% | 0.554 | 11 | C | 8 | | | | 0.570 |
R01 | Bowdoin | NESCAC | 64% | 22% | 0.597 | 9 | C | 9 | | | | 0.612 |
R07 | Calvin | MIAA | 72% | 25% | 0.528 | 8 | C | 9 | | | | 0.595 |
R08 | North Park | CCIW | 63% | 36% | 0.520 | 11 | C | 9 | | | | 0.557 |
R07 | Ohio Northern | OAC | 70% | 13% | 0.524 | 8 | C | 10 | | | | 0.584 |
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Sorry for breaking it into multiple posts, but there is a limit (who knew).
The first table is an estimate of the conference champions, using the highest ranked team per conference based on the Regional Ranking from Feb 13, or the highest winning percentage if no team in the conference was ranked.
In the second table are all the remaining ranked team, this includes from any ranking; Regional, D3 Hoops, or NCAA.
The table headers should be self explanatory for anyone who actually finds these pages, but let me know if they are not.
Thanks, very nice work.
Prior to tonight I had Marietta ~12th among Pool C bids. This loss tonight will drop them for sure. With a few tourney upsets, Marietta could find themselves on the bubble. I think they're still in but tonight did not help.
How about Otterbein?
Quote from: gordonmann on February 22, 2022, 10:40:44 PM
How about Otterbein?
IMHO it feels like their season ended tonight.
Quote from: Baldini on February 22, 2022, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 22, 2022, 10:40:44 PM
How about Otterbein?
IMHO it feels like their season ended tonight.
Unfortunately agreed. They were in my high 20s of Pool C teams before last night's loss. I think teams like Stevens, Carroll, Husson, York, are just ahead of them, and I think those team's chances are pretty slim.
I have 26 teams I think are locks (higher I am more certain):
Christopher Newport
Hope
Trine
Transylvania
Simpson
Whitman
New York University
Amherst
Tufts
DePauw
UW-Whitewater
John Carroll
Scranton
Baldwin Wallace
Trinity (Texas)
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Smith
Wartburg
Messiah
East Texas Baptist
Springfield
Ithaca
Gettysburg
Trinity (Conn.)
DeSales
UW-Eau Claire
There are 21 conferences I think are 1 and done based on conference tournament.
That takes up 47 slots so far leaving ...
There are 7 teams currently expected to win their conference who would fall to the bubble if they don't win (again, higher more certain) but are certainly 7 spots:
Wisconsin Lutheran
St. John Fisher
Millikin
Rhodes
Roger Williams
Redlands
Emmanuel
Now we are up to 54, leaving 10 spots open which would be reduced by potential upsets in the "lock" conferences, but that number should be pretty small (one or two). So any of the above 7, if they lose conference tournaments, and the below 14 become my bubble ... all to fill 8-10 spots.
Lastly I have 14 teams I think could be bubble sitters (again, higher is more likely):
Hardin-Simmons
Marietta
UC Santa Cruz
UW-Oshkosh
Catholic
Elizabethtown
Puget Sound
Johns Hopkins
Stevens
Babson
Mary Washington
Bates
Loras
York (Pa.)
Thoughts?
That is very good stuff MrMaus, I think you pretty much nailed it. First thought was that the MIAC runner-up should be a bubble sitter, but any lose for Augsburg or GAC probably keeps them from getting to the table. The next regional rankings should be out tonight, and they should be interesting to see what movement has occurred. Nice work.
New regional ranking is out.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Elizabethtown is now ahead of Catholic and York, which was to be expected.
I think Marymount was below the bubble before tonight, but after tonight's loss, their season is likely over.
Teams that fell out of the Regional Rankings:
Region 1
Bowdoin (#9) - Bad for: Smith, Bates x2, St. Joseph's ME, Trinity Conn, Tufts, Amherst, Husson
Region 2
MIT (#6) - Bad for: RIC, Emmanuel, Bowdoin, Tufts, Smith, Springfield, WPI, Babson
Region 3
St. Lawrence (#8) - Bad for: Vassar x3, Ithaca x2,
Region 4
Montclair St. (#7) - Bad for: Stevens, MWU,
Region 6
Southern Virginia (#8) - Bad for: CNU, Rochester, MWU, Greensboro x2,
Region 8
WashU (#5) - Bad for: UW-LaCrosse, Wisconsin Lutheran, Rhodes, DePauw, IWU, Millikin, Chicago x2, Emory x2, Rochester x2, NYU x2,
Region 9
Gustavus Adolphus (#8) - Bad for: Simpson, Bethel x2, Augsburg x2, UW-Stout,
Region 10
Texas-Dallas (#8) - Bad for: Whitman, MHB x2, UW-Eau Claire, ETBU, HSU,
One thing I don't get:
First Regional Rankings
Region 7
1 - Trine
2 - DePauw
Second Regional Rankings
1 - DePauw
2 - Trine
What happened in between?
Both teams 2-0
DePauw @ Ohio Wesleyan, vs. Wooster
Trine vs. St. Mary's IN, @ Adrian
Ohio Wesleyan is clearly the best win of those 4.
BUT, DePauw lost WashU as a win v RRO
DePauw losing an RRO win seems like the most significant thing to happen to either team this week. And DePauw passes Trine??
Whitman lost UT-Dallas (was their ONLY win v RRO), BUT, gained 2 wins v RRO with Puget Sound getting into the regional rankings. That is massive for Whitman.
I don't think a 0 wins v RRO Whitman team gets "seeded" very well by the committee.
The committee had NO ONE for that last spot in Region 1 that ended up going to Framingham St. They have the worst SOS of any regionally ranked team.
Bowdoin is a low WP, very high SOS, that is ~2-9 v RRO.
Framingham is a high WP, very low SOS, that is ~1-1 v RRO.
Just wildly different resumes.
I'd have probably stuck with Bowdoin in that last spot.
The other candidates are:
Wesleyan
Colby
Albertus Magnus
Hamilton
Williams
Region 3
Paltz went from 1 to 2 wins v RRO with Mt. St. Mary getting in. Clearly the reason they move all the way up to #4 in the region. I think they're neck-and-neck with Hartwick.
If the committee is picking Vassar over St. Lawrence, I think Bowdoin over Framingham would have been the consistent choice. Vassar is the "low WP, higher SOS" resume, just like Bowdoin is.
Region 4
The bottom of region 4 is very weak as well. Brooklyn is one of the 3 weakest teams to be regionally ranked, IMO. But really not sure I'd pick a different team than the committee picked. Misericordia, New Jersey City, Montclair St., William Paterson -- no great resumes in there.
Region 6
I would push up Emory in Region 6. Lotta wins v RRO. Their resume is stronger to me than the 3 teams directly ahead of them.
Region 5
This is a STRONG region. There will be 5 automatic qualifiers. And I have 4 more in the Pool C crowd, with a 5th on the bubble. Just a bunch of strong resumes.
Region 7
It's a close call, but I'd pick Ohio Wesleyan's resume over Ohio Northern's. But super close.
Region 9
I would pick Stout over 2 teams in Region 9. But that's my soft spot for strong SOS + more wins v RRO resumes. I think the committee is pretty consistent in their treatment of those resumes. I would just treat them differently.
Region 10
I like Pacific in Region 10 over Redlands or Puget Sound. But it's close.
I have Regions 3, 4, and 8 getting ZERO at large teams into the tournament. Just the AQs there.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 23, 2022, 08:03:00 PM
Teams that fell out of the Regional Rankings:
It was my understanding that any team that was in the regional rankings for the last two weeks (this week and last week) would be considered a "Regionally Ranked Opponent" for the NCAA selection process.
So I have spent the last 1/2 hour hunting for written validation of that statement I just made but I can't find it. At this point I think I heard it on one of the Hoopsville podcasts, specifically when he was interviewing one of the committee members about the selection process, but I don't have the time to re-listen to them all to find it.
I also noticed that on the Region PDFs the changes did not seem to flow into the data (specifically I looked at Amherst and Tufts whose numbers did not change).
Scottiedawg:Totally agree with you on region 5!Very Srong region this year!
Quote from: MrMaus on February 23, 2022, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 23, 2022, 08:03:00 PM
Teams that fell out of the Regional Rankings:
It was my understanding that any team that was in the regional rankings for the last two weeks (this week and last week) would be considered a "Regionally Ranked Opponent" for the NCAA selection process.
So I have spent the last 1/2 hour hunting for written validation of that statement I just made but I can't find it. At this point I think I heard it on one of the Hoopsville podcasts, specifically when he was interviewing one of the committee members about the selection process, but I don't have the time to re-listen to them all to find it.
I also noticed that on the Region PDFs the changes did not seem to flow into the data (specifically I looked at Amherst and Tufts whose numbers did not change).
It's this current ranking and the one the committees will do on Sunday that count. Not last week.
Quote from: MrMaus on February 23, 2022, 08:49:08 PM
I also noticed that on the Region PDFs the changes did not seem to flow into the data (specifically I looked at Amherst and Tufts whose numbers did not change).
Not sure if you're referring to their WP, SOS, vRRO, or other, but their records v RRO wouldn't have changed, because:
Amherst record v RRO:
Gained win over RIC (who entered the rankings)
Lost win over Bowdoin (fell out of rankings)
Tufts record v RRO:
Gained win over University of New England
Lost win over Bowdoin
This was a baaaaaad Regional Rankings update for Hardin-Simmons. Now way down to 1 win vRRO. I think they need the ASC auto.
Roanoke moving into the rankings really helps Shenandoah and Washington & Lee. I think both teams have moved up onto the bubble.
Team A
0.905 WP
0.482 SOS
1-2 v RRO
#2 in Region
Team B
0.792 WP
0.504 SOS
2-2 v RRO
not ranked in region (8 teams ranked)
The resume gap between these teams is TINY.
(Team A is Rhodes, Team B is Shenandoah)
the remaining games in Region 6 have massive implications. (not for other teams' record v RRO since the 2nd regional rankings will count for RRO purposes). But for Pool C purposes.
If Rhodes does not get the SAA auto bid (which means they lose), I could see them falling below 4th or 5th in the region. I don't think they have a Pool C resume at all. The only thing that gives me pause is somehow the committee put them 2nd in the region! The resumes are all over the place in region 6.
Emory v Rochester is a big game. I don't think Emory is even on the bubble (I think they're below it), but beating Rochester and potentially moving into the top 3 in the region would help.
Unfortunately Berea has little to gain by beating Greensboro, but lots to lose.
Piedmont vs. S Virginia is a massive game for the region. S Virginia could get into the rankings with a win I think.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 24, 2022, 09:39:25 AM
This was a baaaaaad Regional Rankings update for Hardin-Simmons. Now way down to 1 win vRRO. I think they need the ASC auto.
Roanoke moving into the rankings really helps Shenandoah and Washington & Lee. I think both teams have moved up onto the bubble.
We are seeing these things a little differently. The new regional rankings were a big positive for Hardin-Simmons, they moved ahead of UC-Santa Cruz and Redlands in their region and without that move their chance of ever getting to the table were very small. The data sheets show them with 2 wins.
I don't have any understanding of the Shenandoah talk for Pool C, their only chance at getting in is the AQ in the ODAC which in all likelihood is a one bid conference this year.
Quote from: Baldini on February 24, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 24, 2022, 09:39:25 AM
This was a baaaaaad Regional Rankings update for Hardin-Simmons. Now way down to 1 win vRRO. I think they need the ASC auto.
Roanoke moving into the rankings really helps Shenandoah and Washington & Lee. I think both teams have moved up onto the bubble.
We are seeing these things a little differently. The new regional rankings were a big positive for Hardin-Simmons, they moved ahead of UC-Santa Cruz and Redlands in their region and without that move their chance of ever getting to the table were very small. The data sheets show them with 2 wins.
I don't have any understanding of the Shenandoah talk for Pool C, their only chance at getting in is the AQ in the ODAC which in all likelihood is a one bid conference this year.
You're right that moving up the rankings was good for HSU (it's VERY bad for Redlands and UC Santa Cruz, as you pointed out).
I'm using Matt Snyder's data, which shows 1 win v RRO. Looking at HSU's schedule I think the data sheets are wrong? I only see the win over Trinity. Dallas is now out of the rankings.
Hardin-Simmons NEEDS the 4 Region 10 AQs to be chalk: MHB, Whitman, Trinity, Redlands (that last one matters less).
Even then ETBU will be on the table before them. I could see ETBU making it within the first 1/3 Pool C picks. And I could absolutely see HSU sit on the table for the final 2/3. Perhaps they sneak in.
I just think with a few Region 6 losses ahead of them, Shenandoah could move from out of the rankings to in the top 5 or even 4. They're definitely at bottom of Pool C teams, but I think the committee would slot their resume ahead of these teams:
UC Santa Cruz
Husson
St. Joseph's ME
still a long shot for a Pool C, but all I'm saying is the recent rankings really helped Shenandoah.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 24, 2022, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 24, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 24, 2022, 09:39:25 AM
This was a baaaaaad Regional Rankings update for Hardin-Simmons. Now way down to 1 win vRRO. I think they need the ASC auto.
Roanoke moving into the rankings really helps Shenandoah and Washington & Lee. I think both teams have moved up onto the bubble.
We are seeing these things a little differently. The new regional rankings were a big positive for Hardin-Simmons, they moved ahead of UC-Santa Cruz and Redlands in their region and without that move their chance of ever getting to the table were very small. The data sheets show them with 2 wins.
I don't have any understanding of the Shenandoah talk for Pool C, their only chance at getting in is the AQ in the ODAC which in all likelihood is a one bid conference this year.
You're right that moving up the rankings was good for HSU (it's VERY bad for Redlands and UC Santa Cruz, as you pointed out).
I'm using Matt Snyder's data, which shows 1 win v RRO. Looking at HSU's schedule I think the data sheets are wrong? I only see the win over Trinity. Dallas is now out of the rankings.
Hardin-Simmons NEEDS the 4 Region 10 AQs to be chalk: MHB, Whitman, Trinity, Redlands (that last one matters less).
Even then ETBU will be on the table before them. I could see ETBU making it within the first 1/3 Pool C picks. And I could absolutely see HSU sit on the table for the final 2/3. Perhaps they sneak in.
I just think with a few Region 6 losses ahead of them, Shenandoah could move from out of the rankings to in the top 5 or even 4. They're definitely at bottom of Pool C teams, but I think the committee would slot their resume ahead of these teams:
UC Santa Cruz
Husson
St. Joseph's ME
still a long shot for a Pool C, but all I'm saying is the recent rankings really helped Shenandoah.
For Shenandoah to be in the Pool C conversion means they did not get the AQ, which means they lose another game. They are not moving from unranked to top 5 or better by losing in the ODAC tournament.
Region 6 is light this year and I will be surprised if they have any teams make it from Pool C, barring conference tournament upsets at the very top of the rankings.
Baldini is right to mention the mechanics of how this process works because they impact which teams get selected. Whatever the numbers say, you can't get selected for an AQ if you can't get to the table. And you won't get to the table if you're buried in or entirely outside of the rankings.
I was forgetting the fact that if they don't get an A, they will have lost again.
If they do end up getting the A, I think a side result is they could end up in the top 4 of that region's rankings.
Makes sense.
Each year I try to offer instant analysis on our Conference Tournament tracker which teams have a shot at an at-large bid. Each year I do a pretty crappy job. So now I'm just going to steal what you, Baldini, Mr. Maus and Matt say. I'll find a way to credit you. :)
If WashLee wins ODAC tournament, I could see them hosting (if they submitted for host) in lieu of CNU hosting.
I am going to ignore teams that I think are in for sure (you can figure it out since I list the current regional rankings) and the placeholders for conferences that are getting only one invite (my list includes 20 conferences).
R01 Emmanuel 3
R01 Trinity (Conn.) 4
R01 Bates 5
Region 1 regional ranking depends on the last few games. Bates beating Trinity in semi-final could swap those two. Emmanuel losing could drop them, perhaps below both. My guess is two of these three are in. All three perhaps if Emmanuel and Bates win their conferences.
Total 6 or 7.
R02 Roger Williams 3
R02 Babson 4
Do you take Babson, if they lose to Smith in the final, instead of Roger Williams if they lose to Gordon, Endicott or UNE?
Total 5 or stretch 6.
R03 Cortland 3
R03 SUNY New Paltz 4
Do you take the loser of these two in the final? I say no, but I am wrong alot.
Total 3 or stretch 4.
R04 DeSales 2
R04 Stevens 3
DeSales is in regardless, so ... does Stevens only get in if they win the conference?
Total 5 or stretch 6.
R05 Johns Hopkins 4
R05 Elizabethtown 5
R05 Catholic 6
Catholic will jump E-town and I think it is between them and Johns Hopkins, if they make the final, for one spot.
Total 6.
R06 Mary Washington 4
Really has to make a run deep into the C2C buzz saw.
Total 5 or stretch 6.
R07 Marietta 6
R07 Otterbein 7
Both lost, ended their seasons.
Total 7.
R08 Illinois Wesleyan 4
R08 Carroll 5
I don't think either is even on the bubble.
Total 4.
R09 UW-Oshkosh 4
R09 Wartburg 5
R09 Loras 6
I have the first two in. I think Loras is in with a win over Wartburg tonight.
Total 8 or 9.
R10 Hardin-Simmons 5
R10 Redlands 6
R10 UC Santa Cruz 7
R10 Puget Sound 8
I have HS in. Redlands only if they win conf. I have a soft spot for USSC as I have watched one of their seniors since she was in the 6th grade. I think they would make a fun 64th team in for a top 16 team to have to deal with. A run the conference tournament sure would help. Puget Sound ... heck, if they make the final ... maybe.
Total 6 or 7.
And, yes, I can do math, that adds up to 55 "for sure" spots and only 7 stretch teams ... so I am short 2. Let's save those for an upset in a couple of the conference tournaments. ;)
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I think the seasons are over for:
* Ohio Northern
* Loras
* Rowan
* University of New England
At this point I do expect Marietta, UW-Oshkosh, Elizabethtown to get Pool C bids, as long as there aren't too many bid thieves.
I have Elizabethtown ~17th among Pool C bids.
I think Puget Sound's season is over.
Redlands is an interesting one, do they steal a Pool C bid or are they on the outside looking in now?
Quote from: Baldini on February 25, 2022, 10:52:03 AM
Redlands is an interesting one, do they steal a Pool C bid or are they on the outside looking in now?
When I say "Pool C teams" I mean = "The top 20 teams after predicting Pool As"
I have Redlands near the bottom of Pool C teams. So them losing could absolutely be a Bid Thief situation as I think Redlands is definitely in the running for a Pool C bid.
Elizabethtown and York are right above them. Babson, Shenandoah, Washington & Lee, and Carroll are right below them.
The Redlands loss is not good for these teams (in order):
Washington & Lee
Carroll
UC Santa Cruz
Husson
St. Lawrence
St. Joseph's ME
S Virginia
Gust Adolphus
Stevens
Hartwick
SUNY New Paltz
Hardin-Simmons
Puget Sound
Widener
Piedmont
Bethany Lutheram
Sorry scottie but that is not how it works; Redlands loss has no effect on Hardin-Simmons.
Quote from: Baldini on February 25, 2022, 11:31:07 AM
Sorry scottie but that is not how it works; Redlands loss has no effect on Hardin-Simmons.
It does if Redlands gets the Pool C bid that might otherwise go to Hardin-Simmons.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 25, 2022, 11:31:07 AM
Sorry scottie but that is not how it works; Redlands loss has no effect on Hardin-Simmons.
It does if Redlands gets the Pool C bid that might otherwise go to Hardin-Simmons.
Well, that can't happen Ryan when Hardin-Simmons is ahead of Redlands in the regional rankings.
Quote from: Baldini on February 25, 2022, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 25, 2022, 11:31:07 AM
Sorry scottie but that is not how it works; Redlands loss has no effect on Hardin-Simmons.
It does if Redlands gets the Pool C bid that might otherwise go to Hardin-Simmons.
Well, that can't happen Ryan when Hardin-Simmons is ahead of Redlands in the regional rankings.
If
Though updating my data based off last night, AND tweaking my model a bit, and Redlands actually looks to be below even the bubble.
With HSU starting this week already ahead of Redlands in the rankings, and with Redlands losing, I agree baldini, that it's unlikely Redlands ends up higher in the regional rankings, and thus will get to the table behind HSU.
Redlands
0.826 WP
0.502 SOS
1-1 v RRO
Hardin-Simmons
0.826 WP
0.527 WP
1-4 v RRO
these teams are soooo close.
I imagine even if HSU loses to ETBU, that HSU will stay ahead of Redlands in the rankings.
What I'm basically doing is trying to fit my model to reflect the regional rankings. Assuming that the regional rankings indicate how we should be expecting the committee to value teams on Monday. (I should run a regression)
I am stumped in Region 10 though. My model puts Trinity 10th in the region, while the rankings have them 4th. In general, the regional rankings do not indicate that the committee likes high WP / very low SOS resumes.
I guess Rhodes, Trinity, and Emmanuel all have WP > 0.920, SOS < 0.484 and < 2 wins v RRO, and all are ranked favorably in their regions. Maybe the committee will jump you up as long as you have at least 1 win v RRO? Cause Webster and Greensboro have very similar WP/SOS, but ZERO wins v RRO.
It's interesting. The criteria are definitely not being used in a linear way. It appears there are "tiers/thresholds" for each WP, SOS, wins v RRO.
St. Lawrence being unranked in Region 03 and Trinity Texas being 4th in Region 10 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Yes, Trinity's resume is better than St. Lawrence's. But the gap seems small enough, that, based on how I infer the criteria being valued in all regions, that I would've expected St. Lawrence to squeeze into the rankings at the bottom of Region 03, and would've expected Trinity to be behind at least 1-2 of these teams: UC Santa Cruz, Redlands, Pacific, HSU.
I feel similarly about Rhodes. I would've expected them to be below at least 1-2 of these teams: Berea, Washington & Lee, Mary Washington, Emory, Shenandoah.
Seems like if (a) your WP is very high, (b) you have at least 1 win v RRO, (c) your region is weak, you can get pushed waaaaaay up your region's rankings, even if your SOS is < 0.485.
The women's committee has always favored winning percentage much more than the men. They've also traditionally refused to penalize teams for playing in weak conferences.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2022, 12:54:03 PM
The women's committee has always favored winning percentage much more than the men. They've also traditionally refused to penalize teams for playing in weak conferences.
Why is that? Do they agree with your perception? Do the chairs justify the difference in their respective stances?
I don't understand why there is a significant difference in the application of the criteria between the 2 genders
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2022, 12:54:03 PM
The women's committee has always favored winning percentage much more than the men. They've also traditionally refused to penalize teams for playing in weak conferences.
Totally. And I'm absolutely seeing that in the rankings.
BUT, that doesn't really stay consistent with say, Mary Washington. You'd think they'd put a +0.120 WP Roanoke over them, but they're clearly putting
some weight on SOS and vRRO. Eau Claire and Bates are also ranked pretty favorably for having a relatively low WP among ranked teams.
So I'm trying to look at all those resumes, the regional rankings, and parse out what that might mean for selection/"seeding".
I guess no team with a WP < 0.700 is ranked in the top 3 in their region. So maybe not as inconsistent as I first thought.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2022, 12:54:03 PM
They've also traditionally refused to penalize teams for playing in weak conferences.
Does that mean treating teams from weaker conferences
differently? As in, looking the other way on a weaker SOS or sparse v RRO record? Or just simply weighting SOS lower than the men's committee might?
Conference Tourney "Upsets" (I just eyeballed these)
AEC
Marymount VA
CCC
U New England
E8
Utica
HCAC
Hanover
LL
Skidmore
MIAA
Albion
MWC
Cornell
NAC
ME Maritime
NECC
Eastern Nazarene
NJAC
Kean
Rowan
Montclair St.
SCIAC
Redlands
I don't see a single Bid Thief yet though. Redlands has the best resume of teams that we might've expected to still be alive in their conference tourneys. (If I seem inconsistent with my earlier thoughts on Redlands, I am! I looked more into the regional rankings, tweaked my model, and think Redlands is only on the Pool C bubble, versus definitely in the top 20 Pool C teams).
I don't think any of these are even on the bubble:
Redlands
ME Maritime
Kean
U New England
Marymount VA
Rowan
Albion
Utica
Montclair St.
The top half of my list is "over rated" in the Regional Rankings (IMHO). What they have in common is a win over a RR opponent, mostly 3 or 4 games against RR opponents and SoS between .475 and .500 ... AND they are winning their conference. I think I need to weight the fact that they are winning their conference more than I do as I think the committee is saying they can't do much about the conference SoS, other than win the damn conference.
Team RR Win % RR Win % # RR Games SoS
Roger Williams 3 92% 50% 2 0.500
Wisconsin Lutheran 2 95% 100% 3 0.487
Emmanuel 3 96% 75% 4 0.483
Trinity (Texas) 4 92% 33% 3 0.483
Rhodes 2 90% 50% 4 0.482
Immaculata 65% 50% 2 0.479
Washington and Jeff 81% 0% 1 0.475
Penn State-Behrend 83% 0% 1 0.474
Clarks Summit 82% 0% 1 0.471
Brooklyn 7 86% 0% 3 0.458
Framingham State 9 87% 50% 2 0.453
Webster 100% #DIV/0! 0 0.449
Greensboro 95% 50% 2 0.446
Gallaudet 65% 0% 1 0.439
New England College 7 71% 0% 3 0.430
Agreed. That's why I'm curious if Ryan has further thoughts or information on how the committee traditionally has treated women's teams from weak conferences.
Because looking at the criteria, the data, and the regional rankings, I see inconsistencies across regions, specifically around the very low SOS teams.
This board will get a lot of hits over the next couple days. I know some coaches monitor it.
Might be good for folks to post a list of the at-large picks and then update it with teams coming onto it (like DePauw is about to) and off of it.
Just a suggestion.
There's too much fluidity in my Pool C predictions for that to be useful for me to post.
But DePauw is a Pool C lock and I don't have another NCAC team as a Pool C candidate. There's our first Bid Thief.
I think Salisbury will get strong Pool C consideration, but this loss drops them closer to the bubble. But it's not a Bid Thief scenario as we all expect CNU to get the C2C Pool A bid.
Other teams that lost tonight (or are losing) that I don't think are in the running for a Pool C:
Calvin
Mary Washington
Albion
Greensboro
Rose-Hulman
Wittenberg
I think IWU is a Pool C longshot, so they needed this win tonight to keep their season going.
I think Carroll is inside the Pool C bids group still, but getting dangerously close to the bubble.
Northwestern Minn loses down 20 in the 4th quarter in the UMAC Semis. I think they're on the bubble--outside looking in. Likely not a Bid Thief situation.
York loses to Widener. York is close to the bubble. I think York is still pretty safe at this point though.
Bubble teams need Messiah to take care of business because Widener would be a Bid Thief.
Nazareth with a slight upset of Hartwick. I do not think Hartwick was on the bubble to begin with, and a loss will drop them further. I don't see any Pool C implications from this result.
Bethany Lutheran loses to Minnesota Morris. I've got Bethany below the bubble teams; a longshot to be a Pool C.
I didn't have any UMAC team slated for a Pool C so whether North Central (Minn.) or Minnesota-Morris take the Pool A, no bid thieves.
Millikin takes care of business against Wheaton. I believe Wheaton's season is done.
UW-Eau Claire takes down UW-Whitewater with a very very impressive 2nd half.
EU was already a solid Pool C and UWW is a Pool C lock. No bid thieves here.
Lynchburg with a small upset of Roanoke. I had Roanoke below the bubble teams so I believe their season is over.
I think at least 1 of Washington & Lee and Shenandoah is a Pool C team (Shenandoah needs to enter the final regional rankings pretty high to have a chance but I think their resume supports that).
There is potential for a bid thief from the ODAC.
Wisconsin Lutheran and St. Norbert both won NACC semi-final games. If St. Norbert loses in the AQ game, do the Green Knights still get in?
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2022, 10:04:37 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran and St. Norbert both won NACC semi-final games. If St. Norbert loses in the AQ game, do the Green Knights still get in?
Unfortunately I don't think so. The win over Benedictine wasn't an RRO, so their resume is getting only incrementally stronger via WP and SOS. I have St. Norbert currently as my 51st Pool C team. That'll rise slightly as their WP and SOS get updated after tonight, but they really need to be around the top 18 to have a strong Pool C chance. I think it's Pool A or bust for them.
HSU winning probably crushed UCSC's Pool C hopes.
UCSC needs to hop both Redlands and HSU to really have a Pool C shot, and while they might hop Redlands, I think that's as high as they'd get in Region 10.
Santa Cruz could have the strongest SOS in all of D3 AND 4 wins v RRO. I think they deserve a Pool C bid. Impressive win against Salisbury.
Kean and MWU have similar, but worse resumes to UCSC, and both rank 4th in their respective regions. Unfortunately for UCSC they play in a stronger region than Kean or MWU do.
Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.
This is 18, leaving 2 more spots for bubble busters.
Region 1 - Amherst, Tufts, Trinity (Conn.) - the two that do not win the NESCAC (2)
Region 2 - Springfield, Babson (2)
Region 3 - (0)
Region 4 - (0)
Region 5 - Johns Hopkins, Catholic, Elizabethtown (3)
Region 6 - (0)
Region 7 - Hope/Trine loser, DePauw, Baldwin Wallace/John Carroll loser, Marietta (4)
Region 8 - (0)
Region 9 - UW-WW, Wartburg, UW-Oshkosh (3)
Region 10 - MHBU, East Texas Baptist, Hardin-Simmons, UC-Santa Cruz (4)
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 25, 2022, 10:30:44 PM
Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.
For sure...UTD is playing for its season and it showed today. Both UMHB and ETBU seem to deserve at-large bids, but now either HSU or UTD will also get in. Does ASC warrant 3 tournament teams? And if not, who gets the at-large bid? UMHB and ETBU split the season series, both have a loss to UTD, and ETBU lost on its home floor in conference tournament. A lot of similarities. Massey had ETBU at 33 and UMHB at 57 entering tonight.
Also liking the matchup between Catholic and Scranton in the Landmark Championship...I like what I've seen of Catholic lately, and was surprised to see Scranton play their starters for as long as they did in the semifinal win...Catholic used the bench a bit more which I think could benefit them...Scranton is still the clear favorite obviously but Catholic seems to be back on track.
Always tough to beat a team 3 times in a year.So it will be a great game. On Starters he uses his starters alot but he get 10 players sometimes 12 in a game like Catholic.So it should be another great Landmark Championship they have met the last 3 Championships
It won't surprise me in the least if Catholic comes out the winner in the Landmark.
As Augie points out, it's pretty tough to defeat a very good team 3 straight...and Catholic is well-coached & seems to be playing with house money right now.
That said, if Scranton plays to their potential, they will win their 7th. straight conference title and host next weekend.
Hope it's a great game like the first two were.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 25, 2022, 10:28:08 PM
HSU winning probably crushed UCSC's Pool C hopes.
UCSC needs to hop both Redlands and HSU to really have a Pool C shot, and while they might hop Redlands, I think that's as high as they'd get in Region 10.
Santa Cruz could have the strongest SOS in all of D3 AND 4 wins v RRO. I think they deserve a Pool C bid. Impressive win against Salisbury.
Kean and MWU have similar, but worse resumes to UCSC, and both rank 4th in their respective regions. Unfortunately for UCSC they play in a stronger region than Kean or MWU do.
UCSC is deserving and on bubble because of lack of D3 games which is not their fault due to being so geo isolated. I see them providing another still test to CNU today and sure win over Whit and close games with CNU will be in discussion when committee looks at pool C.
I think Santa Cruz is going to win today. Then it won't matter.
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 26, 2022, 01:09:43 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 25, 2022, 10:30:44 PM
Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.
For sure...UTD is playing for its season and it showed today. Both UMHB and ETBU seem to deserve at-large bids, but now either HSU or UTD will also get in. Does ASC warrant 3 tournament teams? And if not, who gets the at-large bid? UMHB and ETBU split the season series, both have a loss to UTD, and ETBU lost on its home floor in conference tournament. A lot of similarities. Massey had ETBU at 33 and UMHB at 57 entering tonight.
If UTD wins the AQ there will be serious discussion for 4 teams from the ARC.
Quote from: Baldini on February 26, 2022, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 26, 2022, 01:09:43 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 25, 2022, 10:30:44 PM
Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.
For sure...UTD is playing for its season and it showed today. Both UMHB and ETBU seem to deserve at-large bids, but now either HSU or UTD will also get in. Does ASC warrant 3 tournament teams? And if not, who gets the at-large bid? UMHB and ETBU split the season series, both have a loss to UTD, and ETBU lost on its home floor in conference tournament. A lot of similarities. Massey had ETBU at 33 and UMHB at 57 entering tonight.
If UTD wins the AQ there will be serious discussion for 4 teams from the ARC.
That would be the ultimate bracketing problem. Four teams within driving distance who can't play in the first round. They better hope Trinity loses their tourney final, then you'd at least have six within driving distance and you wouldn't have to fly anyone in.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 26, 2022, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 26, 2022, 01:09:43 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 25, 2022, 10:30:44 PM
Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.
For sure...UTD is playing for its season and it showed today. Both UMHB and ETBU seem to deserve at-large bids, but now either HSU or UTD will also get in. Does ASC warrant 3 tournament teams? And if not, who gets the at-large bid? UMHB and ETBU split the season series, both have a loss to UTD, and ETBU lost on its home floor in conference tournament. A lot of similarities. Massey had ETBU at 33 and UMHB at 57 entering tonight.
If UTD wins the AQ there will be serious discussion for 4 teams from the ARC.
That would be the ultimate bracketing problem. Four teams within driving distance who can't play in the first round. They better hope Trinity loses their tourney final, then you'd at least have six within driving distance and you wouldn't have to fly anyone in.
Absolutely. I know the committee tries to eliminate the possibility of conference opponents playing in the first round, but it may have to happen...I will say, Rhodes is barely in the 600 mile zone from Belton, 300 from Marshall (ETBU) but 730 from Trinity. I am thinking we could see Rhodes put into a Texas pod in order to get a Region 6 team there. But Rhodes could go pretty much anywhere because of their geography or host.
No conference games in the first round is set in stone, as far as I know. They'll do extra flights to prevent it. Second round conference games are what they sacrifice to geography.
An island bracket with MHBU hosting Trinity, Rhodes and one of HSU, East Texas Baptist or Texas-Dallas would work. No?
Looking for an opinion. If the currently undefeated Webster women lose their conference final tonight to Westminster (MO), they will finish 24-1. They are not regionally ranked and have a very weak SOS. Would they have any shot at a Pool C bid? From what I've been reading/hearing about the way the NCAA does it's selections, I think the answer is NO. What do others say?
Quote from: y_jack_lok on February 26, 2022, 12:53:35 PM
Looking for an opinion. If the currently undefeated Webster women lose their conference final tonight to Westminster (MO), they will finish 24-1. They are not regionally ranked and have a very weak SOS. Would they have any shot at a Pool C bid? From what I've been reading/hearing about the way the NCAA does it's selections, I think the answer is NO. What do others say?
If Webster wants to go dancing, they probably need to win against Westminster (MO).
Agreed. Webster is not currently regionally ranked and hasn't done anything to change that.
Webster might've had a shot to get into the bottom of weaker regions like 1, 4, 3, 3, but unfortunately for them, not in Region 8. And even if they did sneak into region 8, it would be near the bottom, and they likely would never make it to the selection table.
Bates takes down Trinity!! Bates needs the Pool A. I think this moves Trinity down onto the Bubble.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2022, 12:29:57 PM
No conference games in the first round is set in stone, as far as I know. They'll do extra flights to prevent it. Second round conference games are what they sacrifice to geography.
Oh ok, that makes sense. I had been thinking about the second round games, which makes sense on that front as well.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 26, 2022, 03:34:03 PM
Bates takes down Trinity!! Bates needs the Pool A. I think this moves Trinity down onto the Bubble.
When looking at the NESCAC games last night that were scheduled for today, I liked Bates' chances. The Bobcats have looked good from what I've seen of them for the majority of this season, aside from a few rough NESCAC losses. Held Trinity to 18 percent from 3.
Southern Virginia will absolutely move into the final regional rankings in Region 06. That's good for: CNU and maybe Berea.
A bubble has burst with SUNY New Paltz beating Cortland St. I think Cortland is in good shape for a Pool C bid, while Paltz needed the Pool A.
Quote from: Baldini on February 26, 2022, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 26, 2022, 01:09:43 AM
Regarding HSU beating ETBU & Texas Dallas beating Mary Hardin-Baylor, I think this is a full-blown Bid Thief situation. With tonight's impressive win over ETBU, Hardin-Simmons might have moved up off the bubble into the Pool C probables. But Texas Dallas absolutely needs a Pool A bid.
For sure...UTD is playing for its season and it showed today. Both UMHB and ETBU seem to deserve at-large bids, but now either HSU or UTD will also get in. Does ASC warrant 3 tournament teams? And if not, who gets the at-large bid? UMHB and ETBU split the season series, both have a loss to UTD, and ETBU lost on its home floor in conference tournament. A lot of similarities. Massey had ETBU at 33 and UMHB at 57 entering tonight.
Agreed. I think MHB, ETBU, and HSU are all firmly above the Pool C cut line.
If Texas-Dallas wins the Pool A, I absolutely expect 4 from the conference.
If UTD wins the AQ there will be serious discussion for 4 teams from the ARC.
Wittenberg takes the NCAC Pool A bid.
I think Ohio Wesleyan is on the bubble, and unlikely to get a Pool C.
Pomona Pitzer grabbing the SCIAC Pool A Redlands NOT grabbing the SCIAC Pool A hurts UCSC. If Santa Cruz can move ahead of Redlands in the final regional rankings, I think they'll have a shot at one of the last few Pool C spots. Otherwise I don't think they ever see the table.
I'm doing it on the mens side so I'll do it here for the women too. This is just how things stack up for the most recent regional rankings. Rankings can change obviously but this gets everything into one place.
Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C
Region 1
1 Amherst 20-2 20-2
2 Tufts 20-3 20-3
3 Emmanuel 22-1 22-1
4 Trinity (Conn.) 16-5 17-5
5 Bates 15-7 15-7
6 St. Joseph's (Maine) 20-4 20-4
7 Husson 17-5 18-5
8 Maine Maritime 18-4 20-4
9 Framingham State 20-3 20-3
NR SUNYIT
5 Bates vs 1 Amherst in NESCAC final tomorrow
6 St Joseph's (ME) vs 3 Emmanuel in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 2
1 Smith 21-2 21-2
2 Springfield 21-3 21-3
3 Roger Williams 22-2 22-2
4 Babson 17-6 17-6
5 WPI 18-4 18-4
6 Rhode Island College 20-5 20-5
7 U. of New England 17-8 17-8
NR Mitchell
4 Babson vs 1 Smith in NEWMAC final tomorrow 2pm
Region 3
1 Ithaca 22-3 22-3
2 St. John Fisher 23-2 23-2
3 Cortland 20-4 20-4
4 SUNY New Paltz 18-6 18-6
5 Hartwick 18-6 18-6
6 Rochester 15-9 15-9
7 Mt. St. Mary 21-3 21-3
8 Vassar 17-7 17-7
St Lawrence vs 1 Ithaca in LL final tomorrow
Region 4
1 NYU 21-1 21-1
2 DeSales 18-3 18-3
3 Stevens 17-6 17-6
4 Kean 17-6 17-6
5 Rowan 16-8 16-8
6 King's 16-7 16-8
7 Brooklyn 19-3 19-3
NR Morrisville St
NR NJAC Champ
TCNJ vs New Jersey City in NJAC final 7pm
3 Stevens vs 2 DeSales in MACF final tomorrow 1pm
Region 5
1 Scranton 23-2 23-2
2 Gettysburg 22-3 22-3
3 Messiah 20-3 20-3
4 Johns Hopkins 21-3 21-3
5 Elizabethtown 20-4 20-4
6 Catholic 19-4 19-4
7 Salisbury 17-5 19-5
8 York (Pa.) 19-5 19-5
9 Marymount 16-7 16-7
NR Immaculata
NR Clarks Summit
Widener vs 3 Messiah in MACC final tomorrow
Region 6
1 Christopher Newport 22-0 22-0
2 Rhodes 19-2 21-2
3 Washington and Lee 19-5 19-5
4 Mary Washington 16-8 17-8
5 Roanoke 20-5 20-5
6 Emory 15-8 15-8
7 Berea 18-4 20-5
8 Piedmont 20-5 20-5
NR Southern Virginia
NR ODAC Champ
Shenandoah vs TBD in ODAC final tomorrow
2 Rhodes vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow
Region 7
1 DePauw 22-2 22-2
2 Trine 22-2 22-2
3 Hope 21-1 23-1
4 John Carroll 20-3 20-3
5 Baldwin Wallace 18-4 18-4
6 Marietta 21-4 21-4
7 Otterbein 18-6 18-6
8 Calvin 18-7 18-7
9 Oberlin 20-3 20-3
10 Ohio Northern 16-7 16-7
NR La Roche
NR Wittenberg
NR Washington & Jefferson
3 Hope vs 2 Trine in MIAA final 7pm
Region 8
1 Transylvania 22-0 22-0
2 Wisconsin Lutheran 20-1 20-1
3 Millikin 20-5 20-5
4 Illinois Wesleyan 17-8 17-8
5 Carroll 18-6 18-6
6 Chicago 14-9 14-9
7 North Park 15-9 15-9
8 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-10 15-10
9 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7
NR SLIAC Champ
Westminster vs Webster in SLIAC final 8pm
9 St Norbert vs 2 Wisconsin Lutheran in NACC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 9
1 Simpson 23-1 23-1
2 UW-Whitewater 22-3 22-3
3 UW-Eau Claire 18-7 18-7
4 UW-Oshkosh 18-5 18-5
5 Wartburg 19-4 20-4
6 Loras 18-7 18-7
7 Bethany Lutheran 18-7 18-7
8 Northwestern (Minn.) 18-4 18-5
9 Augsburg 19-5 19-5
NR MWC Champ
NR UMAC Champ
Monmouth vs Ripon in MWC final 6pm
Gustavus Adolphus vs 9 Augsburg in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Minnesota-Morris vs North Central (MN) in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 10
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-3 21-3
2 Whitman 20-1 24-1
3 East Texas Baptist 19-4 19-4
4 Trinity (Texas) 23-2 23-2
5 Hardin-Simmons 18-4 18-4
6 Redlands 18-3 18-4
7 UC Santa Cruz 8-3 15-3
8 Puget Sound 17-4 20-4
NR SCIAC Champ
UT-Dallas vs 5 Hardin Simmons in ASC final 7pm
Whittier vs Pomona Pitzer in SCIAC final 8pm
Pacific vs 2 Whitman in NWC final 10pm
TBD vs 4 Trinity in SCAC final tomorrow
Sounds insane, but if Shenandoah closes out Washington & Lee, I think they could move from unranked in Region 6, to #3. It won't matter THAT much for them, since they will have secured a Pool A. But the resumes #2-#8 in Region 6 are so so close.
Southern Virginia could also move to #3.
Millikin going down in the CCIW semis looks like a Bid Thief situation to me.
I think Carroll is on the bubble, and IWU may be close to the bubble now, but I think both are still on the outside looking in for a Pool C bid.
Wheaton definitely needs the Pool A.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 26, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Millikin going down in the CCIW semis looks like a Bid Thief situation to me.
I think Carroll is on the bubble, and IWU may be close to the bubble now, but I think both are still on the outside looking in for a Pool C bid.
Wheaton definitely needs the Pool A.
Have no idea what you are talking about. IWU beat Carroll in the semis; Millikin beat Wheaton in the semis. Tonite, IWU beat Millikin in the final. The Titans get Pool A; Millikin deserves Pool C. Carroll is Kaput.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2022, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 26, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Millikin going down in the CCIW semis looks like a Bid Thief situation to me.
I think Carroll is on the bubble, and IWU may be close to the bubble now, but I think both are still on the outside looking in for a Pool C bid.
Wheaton definitely needs the Pool A.
Have no idea what you are talking about. IWU beat Carroll in the semis; Millikin beat Wheaton in the semis. Tonite, IWU beat Millikin in the final. The Titans get Pool A; Millikin deserves Pool C. Carroll is Kaput.
Hah I'm a full game behind.
What Mr. Ypsi said.
So this was indeed a Bid Thief result.
The committee breathes a sigh of relief with Hardin-Simmons locking down a Pool A.
I count 5 potential bid thieves.
Potential Bid Thieves:
St. Lawrence
Widener
St. Norbert
Bates
Pacific
Which would mean whatever you think are the top 15 Pool C teams at the moment, they are safe.
This is how things stack up for the most recent regional rankings. Rankings can change obviously but this gets everything into one place.
Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C
Region 1
1 Amherst 20-2 20-2
2 Tufts 20-3 20-3
3 Emmanuel 22-1 22-1
4 Trinity (Conn.) 16-5 17-5
5 Bates 15-7 15-7
6 St. Joseph's (Maine) 20-4 20-4
7 Husson 17-5 18-5
8 Maine Maritime 18-4 20-4
9 Framingham State 20-3 20-3
NR SUNYIT
5 Bates vs 1 Amherst in NESCAC final tomorrow
6 St Joseph's (ME) vs 3 Emmanuel in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 2
1 Smith 21-2 21-2
2 Springfield 21-3 21-3
3 Roger Williams 22-2 22-2
4 Babson 17-6 17-6
5 WPI 18-4 18-4
6 Rhode Island College 20-5 20-5
7 U. of New England 17-8 17-8
NR Mitchell
4 Babson vs 1 Smith in NEWMAC final tomorrow 2pm
Region 3
1 Ithaca 22-3 22-3
2 St. John Fisher 23-2 23-2
3 Cortland 20-4 20-4
4 SUNY New Paltz 18-6 18-6
5 Hartwick 18-6 18-6
6 Rochester 15-9 15-9
7 Mt. St. Mary 21-3 21-3
8 Vassar 17-7 17-7
St Lawrence vs 1 Ithaca in LL final tomorrow
Region 4
1 NYU 21-1 21-1
2 DeSales 18-3 18-3
3 Stevens 17-6 17-6
4 Kean 17-6 17-6
5 Rowan 16-8 16-8
6 King's 16-7 16-8
7 Brooklyn 19-3 19-3
NR Morrisville St
NR New Jersey City
3 Stevens vs 2 DeSales in MACF final tomorrow 1pm
Region 5
1 Scranton 23-2 23-2
2 Gettysburg 22-3 22-3
3 Messiah 20-3 20-3
4 Johns Hopkins 21-3 21-3
5 Elizabethtown 20-4 20-4
6 Catholic 19-4 19-4
7 Salisbury 17-5 19-5
8 York (Pa.) 19-5 19-5
9 Marymount 16-7 16-7
NR Immaculata
NR Clarks Summit
Widener vs 3 Messiah in MACC final tomorrow
Region 6
1 Christopher Newport 22-0 22-0
2 Rhodes 19-2 21-2
3 Washington and Lee 19-5 19-5
4 Mary Washington 16-8 17-8
5 Roanoke 20-5 20-5
6 Emory 15-8 15-8
7 Berea 18-4 20-5
8 Piedmont 20-5 20-5
NR Southern Virginia
NR ODAC Champ
Shenandoah vs Randolph-Macon in ODAC final tomorrow
2 Rhodes vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow
Region 7
1 DePauw 22-2 22-2
2 Trine 22-2 22-2
3 Hope 21-1 23-1
4 John Carroll 20-3 20-3
5 Baldwin Wallace 18-4 18-4
6 Marietta 21-4 21-4
7 Otterbein 18-6 18-6
8 Calvin 18-7 18-7
9 Oberlin 20-3 20-3
10 Ohio Northern 16-7 16-7
NR La Roche
NR Wittenberg
NR Washington & Jefferson
Region 8
1 Transylvania 22-0 22-0
2 Wisconsin Lutheran 20-1 20-1
3 Millikin 20-5 20-5
4 Illinois Wesleyan 17-8 17-8
5 Carroll 18-6 18-6
6 Chicago 14-9 14-9
7 North Park 15-9 15-9
8 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-10 15-10
9 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7
NR SLIAC Champ
Westminster vs Webster in SLIAC final 8pm
9 St Norbert vs 2 Wisconsin Lutheran in NACC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 9
1 Simpson 23-1 23-1
2 UW-Whitewater 22-3 22-3
3 UW-Eau Claire 18-7 18-7
4 UW-Oshkosh 18-5 18-5
5 Wartburg 19-4 20-4
6 Loras 18-7 18-7
7 Bethany Lutheran 18-7 18-7
8 Northwestern (Minn.) 18-4 18-5
9 Augsburg 19-5 19-5
NR Ripon
NR UMAC Champ
Gustavus Adolphus vs 9 Augsburg in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Minnesota-Morris vs North Central (MN) in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 10
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-3 21-3
2 Whitman 20-1 24-1
3 East Texas Baptist 19-4 19-4
4 Trinity (Texas) 23-2 23-2
5 Hardin-Simmons 18-4 18-4
6 Redlands 18-3 18-4
7 UC Santa Cruz 8-3 15-3
8 Puget Sound 17-4 20-4
NR Whittier
Pacific vs 2 Whitman in NWC final 10pm
Colorado College vs 4 Trinity in SCAC final tomorrow 3pm
AMCC - La Roche
ARC - Simpson
ASC - Hardin-Simmons
AEC - Immaculata
CC - Gettysburg
CUNYAC - Brooklyn
C2C - Christopher Newport
CCIW - IWU
CSAC - Clarks Summit
CCC - Roger Williams
E8 - St. John Fisher
GNAC - Emmanuel
HCAC - Transylvania
LAND - Scranton
Liberty - Ithaca
LEC - Rhode Island College
MACC - Messiah
MACF - DeSales
MIAA - Hope
MASCAC - Framingham St.
MIAC - Gustavus Adolphus
MWC - Ripon
NECC - Mitchell
NESCAC - Bates
NEWMAC - Smith
NJAC - New Jersey City
NAC - SUNYIT
NCAC - Wittenburg
NACC - Wisconsin Lutheran
NWC - Whitman
OAC - Baldwin Wallace
ODAC - Shenandoah
PAC - Washington & Jefferson
SKY - Mount St. Mary
SAA - Rhodes
SCIAC - Whittier
SCAC - Trinity or Colorado College
SLIAC - Webster
SUNYAC - SUNY New Paltz
UEC - Morrisville St.
UAA - NYU
UMAC - North Central (Minn)
USAC - Southern Virginia
WIAC - UW-EC
The final regional rankings in Region 05 will be so critical for which teams garner Pool C bids.
I think the order #4-#7 should be:
Johns Hopkins
Catholic
Salisbury
Elizabethtown
and I have all 4 currently within my Pool C teams.
But the teams that end up 6th and 7th could have a hard getting to the table, especially if there's a bid thief or two tomorrow (or 1 tonight).
The resumes are all "Pool C worthy" resumes. But the strength of the region may prevent 1-2 from getting to the table.
That said, these teams that will probably be ranked 5th or higher in their regions--not sure any of them get picked over a Region 05 team:
Stevens
Cortland St.
UW-Oshkosh
Carroll
Washington & Lee
Bates
Trinity CT
I think regions 5 and 7 could dominate Pool C bids, leaving the other 8 regions pretty static in the table.
Regardless of what happens tomorrow in the ODAC and SAA, I think Region 6 (a) never gets a 2nd team to the table, (b) doesn't have a single Pool C selection.
Pacific replacing Puget Sound in the Region 10 rankings would be amazing for Whitman, adding 3 wins vRRO for them.
Not sure if that changes much. So much of Hosting and "Seeding" when it comes to Whitman is dictated by geography.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 26, 2022, 09:07:41 PM
I count 5 potential bid thieves.
Potential Bid Thieves:
St. Lawrence
Widener
St. Norbert
Bates
Pacific
Which would mean whatever you think are the top 15 Pool C teams at the moment, they are safe.
The win over Vassar helped St. Lawrence in the three big ways: WP, SOS, and vRRO. With their SOS now above the "optically bad" threshold of 0.500, and now with 2 wins v RRO, I think St. Lawrence has played themselves into Pool C territory, even if they lose tomorrow.
Pacific getting smoked early by Whitman.
We may be down to only three potential bid thieves.
* At first, I put Cortland ahead of Salisbury but going to switch those two. The last few are still very much in danger of Sunday upsets.
The last spot in this trial run came with St. Joseph's (Maine), WPI, Cortland, Stevens, Salisbury, Washington & Lee, Otterbein, Carroll, Loras and Redlands on the table for the last pick and I went with Salisbury.
Region 1 - Amherst, Tufts, Trinity (Conn.) (3)
Region 2 - Springfield, Babson (2)
Region 3 - (0)
Region 4 - (0)
Region 5 - Johns Hopkins, Catholic, Elizabethtown, Salisbury (4)
Region 6 - (0)
Region 7 - Trine, DePauw, John Carroll, Marietta (4)
Region 8 - Millikin (1)
Region 9 - UW-WW, Wartburg, UW-Oshkosh (3)
Region 10 - MHBU, East Texas Baptist, UC-Santa Cruz (3)
Man my head would be spinning after region 3!Keep up the great work.Who needs the NCAA(Lol).
Hoping the bracket/pods selection doesn't go wild with the increase in max distance before flights to 600 miles. Just because one can be under 600 miles, doesn't mean it should. Probably half the field(Mideast to Northeast) could be a 5-hour bus ride max and still provide inter-regional competition within a pod. No reason to endure 11-hour bus trips in the winter for some "national" aspect to the bracket. I'm remembering Ron Rohn's Muhlenberg team being sent to Bowdoin(442 miles) about 10 years ago. No fun for anyone.
Remember Scranton played up at Bowdoin (The Polar Bear was awesome)also a beautiful campus!I guess sometimes they can't get around it!I have been to alot of Colleges and University's following the Lady Royals and Royals! I really liked that campus and Amherst and many more
Updated through Saturday's games
Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C
Region 1
1 Amherst 20-2 20-2
2 Tufts 20-3 20-3
3 Emmanuel 22-1 22-1
4 Trinity (Conn.) 16-5 17-5
5 Bates 15-7 15-7
6 St. Joseph's (Maine) 20-4 20-4
7 Husson 17-5 18-5
8 Maine Maritime 18-4 20-4
9 Framingham State 20-3 20-3
NR SUNYIT
5 Bates vs 1 Amherst in NESCAC final tomorrow 12pm
6 St Joseph's (ME) vs 3 Emmanuel in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 2
1 Smith 21-2 21-2
2 Springfield 21-3 21-3
3 Roger Williams 22-2 22-2
4 Babson 17-6 17-6
5 WPI 18-4 18-4
6 Rhode Island College 20-5 20-5
7 U. of New England 17-8 17-8
NR Mitchell
4 Babson vs 1 Smith in NEWMAC final tomorrow 2pm
Region 3
1 Ithaca 22-3 22-3
2 St. John Fisher 23-2 23-2
3 Cortland 20-4 20-4
4 SUNY New Paltz 18-6 18-6
5 Hartwick 18-6 18-6
6 Rochester 15-9 15-9
7 Mt. St. Mary 21-3 21-3
8 Vassar 17-7 17-7
St Lawrence vs 1 Ithaca in LL final tomorrow 2pm
Region 4
1 NYU 21-1 21-1
2 DeSales 18-3 18-3
3 Stevens 17-6 17-6
4 Kean 17-6 17-6
5 Rowan 16-8 16-8
6 King's 16-7 16-8
7 Brooklyn 19-3 19-3
NR Morrisville St
NR New Jersey City
3 Stevens vs 2 DeSales in MACF final tomorrow 1pm
Region 5
1 Scranton 23-2 23-2
2 Gettysburg 22-3 22-3
3 Messiah 20-3 20-3
4 Johns Hopkins 21-3 21-3
5 Elizabethtown 20-4 20-4
6 Catholic 19-4 19-4
7 Salisbury 17-5 19-5
8 York (Pa.) 19-5 19-5
9 Marymount 16-7 16-7
NR Immaculata
NR Clarks Summit
Widener vs 3 Messiah in MACC final tomorrow 2pm
Region 6
1 Christopher Newport 22-0 22-0
2 Rhodes 19-2 21-2
3 Washington and Lee 19-5 19-5
4 Mary Washington 16-8 17-8
5 Roanoke 20-5 20-5
6 Emory 15-8 15-8
7 Berea 18-4 20-5
8 Piedmont 20-5 20-5
NR Southern Virginia
NR ODAC Champ
Shenandoah vs Randolph-Macon in ODAC final tomorrow 3:30pm
2 Rhodes vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow 2pm
Region 7
1 DePauw 22-2 22-2
2 Trine 22-2 22-2
3 Hope 21-1 23-1
4 John Carroll 20-3 20-3
5 Baldwin Wallace 18-4 18-4
6 Marietta 21-4 21-4
7 Otterbein 18-6 18-6
8 Calvin 18-7 18-7
9 Oberlin 20-3 20-3
10 Ohio Northern 16-7 16-7
NR La Roche
NR Wittenberg
NR Washington & Jefferson
Region 8
1 Transylvania 22-0 22-0
2 Wisconsin Lutheran 20-1 20-1
3 Millikin 20-5 20-5
4 Illinois Wesleyan 17-8 17-8
5 Carroll 18-6 18-6
6 Chicago 14-9 14-9
7 North Park 15-9 15-9
8 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-10 15-10
9 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7
NR Webster
9 St Norbert vs 2 Wisconsin Lutheran in NACC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 9
1 Simpson 23-1 23-1
2 UW-Whitewater 22-3 22-3
3 UW-Eau Claire 18-7 18-7
4 UW-Oshkosh 18-5 18-5
5 Wartburg 19-4 20-4
6 Loras 18-7 18-7
7 Bethany Lutheran 18-7 18-7
8 Northwestern (Minn.) 18-4 18-5
9 Augsburg 19-5 19-5
NR Ripon
NR UMAC Champ
Gustavus Adolphus vs 9 Augsburg in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Minnesota-Morris vs North Central (MN) in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm
Region 10
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-3 21-3
2 Whitman 20-1 24-1
3 East Texas Baptist 19-4 19-4
4 Trinity (Texas) 23-2 23-2
5 Hardin-Simmons 18-4 18-4
6 Redlands 18-3 18-4
7 UC Santa Cruz 8-3 15-3
8 Puget Sound 17-4 20-4
NR Whittier
Colorado College vs 4 Trinity in SCAC final tomorrow 3pm
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 26, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
Man my head would be spinning after region 3!Keep up the great work.Who needs the NCAA(Lol).
Haha, conference tournaments present a whole different element because that is where a lot of bid thieves come in. Quite a few regular season champions that did not win their conference tournaments today.
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 27, 2022, 12:25:56 AM
Remember Scranton played up at Bowdoin (The Polar Bear was awesome)also a beautiful campus!I guess sometimes they can't get around it!I have been to alot of Colleges and University's following the Lady Royals and Royals! I really liked that campus and Amherst and many more
That was the 2nd weekend(sectional); you expect traveling for the 2nd weekend because of fewer options; I was referring to the 1st weekend(regional).
Gotcha
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 01:43:11 AM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 27, 2022, 12:25:56 AM
Remember Scranton played up at Bowdoin (The Polar Bear was awesome)also a beautiful campus!I guess sometimes they can't get around it!I have been to alot of Colleges and University's following the Lady Royals and Royals! I really liked that campus and Amherst and many more
That was the 2nd weekend(sectional); you expect traveling for the 2nd weekend because of fewer options; I was referring to the 1st weekend(regional).
If you want a LONG 1st weekend travel, George Fox to Arlington VA was definitely an outlier and intentional by NCAA. and then fly back again to Amherst before they cancelled 2020
I also think Penn State Abington flew to George Fox the 1st week of the tournament.I think it is sometimes hard to avoid!
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 27, 2022, 09:22:57 AM
I also think Penn State Abington flew to George Fox the 1st week of the tournament.I think it is sometimes hard to avoid!
Yes - and if we can have an opportunity to do a one-off like that, why not. Someone had to go to George Fox that year.
So much is going to depend on Pool C. If you've got three ASC teams in, you have to get one of them out of Texas. ETBU and UMHB can drive to Rhodes, so that's an option. You've also got a chance for UCSC and Redlands getting in, giving three California teams that can all drive to each other.
If Colorado College wins the SCAC today, that adds more wrinkles. The women are going to have a ton of bracketing options and it will be very interesting to see how they work it all out.
It would be kind of nice if the selection committee sent first timer Clarks Summit to the Scranton Regional so their fans could make the easy 15 minute trip to support them as opposed to being sent to Amherst etc.
Just think NCAA bean counters...no hotel rooms needed. ;)
saw very old d3 "unofficial seeding" of teams in NCAA tournament bracket for 2004 (men's). why did this stop? I would find this very helpful to gauge "relative" strength of team.
Bates beats Amherst and steals a bid from the Pool C hopefuls.
If DeSales hangs on vs. Stevens, this could actually push Stevens onto the bubble and out of the tournament.
I had thought Stevens was safe, but (a) Bates bid thief pushes them down (Amherst is perhaps the #1 Pool C team), (b) didn't calculate that if Stevens didn't get the Pool A, they would have lost.
Now a loss to DeSales doesn't hurt them much, and I fully expect Stevens to be quickly to the table, but they may wait there a while.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 27, 2022, 01:35:51 PM
Bates beats Amherst and steals a bid from the Pool C hopefuls.
Great performance by Bates. They are a team that could go deep in the tournament, and Meghan Graff was incredible today with 20 points. Amherst just doesn't seem to be the Amherst of old at this point. But the switch always seems to flip in March for them.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2022, 12:32:49 PM
So much is going to depend on Pool C. If you've got three ASC teams in, you have to get one of them out of Texas. ETBU and UMHB can drive to Rhodes, so that's an option. You've also got a chance for UCSC and Redlands getting in, giving three California teams that can all drive to each other.
If Colorado College wins the SCAC today, that adds more wrinkles. The women are going to have a ton of bracketing options and it will be very interesting to see how they work it all out.
For sure. But I think it unlikely that both UCSC and Redlands get in.
#20 Wisconsin Lutheran knocked off St. Norbert, 51-43.
Nothing to do with Pool C, but very happy to see North Central win the UMAC AQ. Nothing short of amazing how far that program has come in the last 5 years.
Your AQ field is complete.
AMCC - La Roche
ARC - Simpson
ASC - Hardin-Simmons
AEC - Immaculata
CC - Gettysburg
CUNYAC - Brooklyn
C2C - Christopher Newport
CCIW - IWU
CSAC - Clarks Summit
CCC - Roger Williams
E8 - St. John Fisher
GNAC - Emmanuel
HCAC - Transylvania
LAND - Scranton
Liberty - Ithaca
LEC - Rhode Island College
MACC - Messiah
MACF - DeSales
MIAA - Hope
MASCAC - Framingham St.
MIAC - Gustavus Adolphus
MWC - Ripon
NECC - Mitchell
NESCAC - Bates
NEWMAC - Smith
NJAC - New Jersey City
NAC - SUNYIT
NCAC - Wittenburg
NACC - Wisconsin Lutheran
NWC - Whitman
OAC - Baldwin Wallace
ODAC - Shenandoah
PAC - Washington & Jefferson
SKY - Mount St. Mary
SAA - Rhodes
SCIAC - Whittier
SCAC - Trinity
SLIAC - Webster
SUNYAC - SUNY New Paltz
UEC - Morrisville St.
UAA - NYU
UMAC - North Central (Minn)
USAC - Southern Virginia
WIAC - UW-EC
The bubble survives as Trinity wins.
Here's who's in Pool C ranked by the last Regional Rankings
Bold is Pool A locked
Red is in Pool C
Region 1
1 Amherst 20-2 20-2
2 Tufts 20-3 20-3
4 Trinity (Conn.) 16-5 17-5
6 St. Joseph's (Maine) 20-4 20-4
7 Husson 17-5 18-5
8 Maine Maritime 18-4 20-4
3 Emmanuel 22-1 22-1
5 Bates 15-7 15-7
9 Framingham State 20-3 20-3
NR SUNYIT
Region 2
2 Springfield 21-3 21-3
4 Babson 17-6 17-6
5 WPI 18-4 18-4
7 U. of New England 17-8 17-8
1 Smith 21-2 21-2
3 Roger Williams 22-2 22-2
6 Rhode Island College 20-5 20-5
NR Mitchell
Region 3
3 Cortland 20-4 20-4
5 Hartwick 18-6 18-6
6 Rochester 15-9 15-9
8 Vassar 17-7 17-7
1 Ithaca 22-3 22-3
2 St. John Fisher 23-2 23-2
4 SUNY New Paltz 18-6 18-6
7 Mt. St. Mary 21-3 21-3
Region 4
3 Stevens 17-6 17-6
4 Kean 17-6 17-6
5 Rowan 16-8 16-8
6 King's 16-7 16-8
1 NYU 21-1 21-1
2 DeSales 18-3 18-3
7 Brooklyn 19-3 19-3
NR Morrisville St
NR New Jersey City
Region 5
4 Johns Hopkins 21-3 21-3
5 Elizabethtown 20-4 20-4
6 Catholic 19-4 19-4
7 Salisbury 17-5 19-5
8 York (Pa.) 19-5 19-5
9 Marymount 16-7 16-7
1 Scranton 23-2 23-2
2 Gettysburg 22-3 22-3
3 Messiah 20-3 20-3
NR Immaculata
NR Clarks Summit
Region 6
3 Washington and Lee 19-5 19-5
4 Mary Washington 16-8 17-8
5 Roanoke 20-5 20-5
6 Emory 15-8 15-8
7 Berea 18-4 20-5
8 Piedmont 20-5 20-5
1 Christopher Newport 22-0 22-0
2 Rhodes 19-2 21-2
NR Southern Virginia
NR Shenandoah
Region 7
1 DePauw 22-2 22-2
2 Trine 22-2 22-2
4 John Carroll 20-3 20-3
6 Marietta 21-4 21-4
7 Otterbein 18-6 18-6
8 Calvin 18-7 18-7
9 Oberlin 20-3 20-3
10 Ohio Northern 16-7 16-7
3 Hope 21-1 23-1
5 Baldwin Wallace 18-4 18-4
NR La Roche
NR Wittenberg
NR Washington & Jefferson
Region 8
3 Millikin 20-5 20-5
5 Carroll 18-6 18-6
6 Chicago 14-9 14-9
7 North Park 15-9 15-9
8 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-10 15-10
9 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7
1 Transylvania 22-0 22-0
2 Wisconsin Lutheran 20-1 20-1
4 Illinois Wesleyan 17-8 17-8
NR Webster
Region 9
2 UW-Whitewater 22-3 22-3
4 UW-Oshkosh 18-5 18-5
5 Wartburg 19-4 20-4
6 Loras 18-7 18-7
7 Bethany Lutheran 18-7 18-7
8 Northwestern (Minn.) 18-4 18-5
9 Augsburg 19-5 19-5
1 Simpson 23-1 23-1
3 UW-Eau Claire 18-7 18-7
NR Gustavus Adolphus
NR Ripon
NR North Central (MN)
Region 10
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-3 21-3
3 East Texas Baptist 19-4 19-4
6 Redlands 18-3 18-4
7 UC Santa Cruz 8-3 15-3
8 Puget Sound 17-4 20-4
2 Whitman 20-1 24-1
4 Trinity (Texas) 23-2 23-2
5 Hardin-Simmons 18-4 18-4
NR Whittier
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
This is important for hosting the 2nd weekend although geography plays a significant role along with any upsets to these during the first weekend.
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
My guess (in no particular order):
1 seeds - CNU, Transylvania, Simpson and Smith
2 seeds - Scranton, NYU, Hope, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, Gettysburg, Ithaca, Messiah, DePauw, Whitman
Not sure if Whitman gets to host so it might be MHB
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
My guess (in no particular order):
1 seeds - CNU, Transylvania, Simpson and Smith
2 seeds - Scranton, NYU, Hope, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, Gettysburg, Ithaca, Messiah, DePauw, Whitman
Not sure if Whitman gets to host so it might be MHB
Someone will probably host in Texas, but I think the MHB men are scheduled to host. So, the MHB women probably travel.
the scuttlebutt is indeed that the MHB men will host 1st round, meaning the women cannot. We'll see what happens!
Quote from: Baldini on February 27, 2022, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
My guess (in no particular order):
1 seeds - CNU, Transylvania, Simpson and Smith
2 seeds - Scranton, NYU, Hope, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, Gettysburg, Ithaca, Messiah, DePauw, Whitman
Not sure if Whitman gets to host so it might be MHB
Someone will probably host in Texas, but I think the MHB men are scheduled to host. So, the MHB women probably travel.
Highly doubt UMHB men will host. Not enough teams in driving range. Trinity got SCAC auto bid so that's 2 in TX, but outside of that they'd have to fly 2 in...Women's side there are about 5 teams in driving distance, though 3 are from ASC
For Pool C:
I have these 14 in:
Amherst, Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, DePauw, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Springfield, Millikin, East Texas Baptist, Babson, Johns Hopkins, John Carroll, UW-Oshkosh, Wartburg
And these 12 for the last 6 spots:
Cortland, Stevens, Washington and Lee, Trinity (Conn.), Mary Washington, Elizabethtown, Carroll, Catholic, Marietta, Loras, Salisbury, UC Santa Cruz
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 09:33:07 PM
For Pool C:
I have these 14 in:
Amherst, Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, DePauw, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Springfield, Millikin, East Texas Baptist, Babson, Johns Hopkins, John Carroll, UW-Oshkosh, Wartburg
And these 12 for the last 6 spots:
Cortland, Stevens, Washington and Lee, Trinity (Conn.), Mary Washington, Elizabethtown, Carroll, Catholic, Marietta, Loras, Salisbury, UC Santa Cruz
From that group of 12 for the last six spots, I think it highly likely we see Trinity (Conn.), Marietta, and Mary Washington all get in. I like UCSC but they might be the 19th or 20th team off the board if they get in.
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 27, 2022, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 27, 2022, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
My guess (in no particular order):
1 seeds - CNU, Transylvania, Simpson and Smith
2 seeds - Scranton, NYU, Hope, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, Gettysburg, Ithaca, Messiah, DePauw, Whitman
Not sure if Whitman gets to host so it might be MHB
Someone will probably host in Texas, but I think the MHB men are scheduled to host. So, the MHB women probably travel.
Highly doubt UMHB men will host. Not enough teams in driving range. Trinity got SCAC auto bid so that's 2 in TX, but outside of that they'd have to fly 2 in...Women's side there are about 5 teams in driving distance, though 3 are from ASC
Depends on who has priority this year. Either men or women get priority the first weekend with the other getting the 2nd weekend I believe. Then they swap the following year.
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on February 27, 2022, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 27, 2022, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 27, 2022, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
My guess (in no particular order):
1 seeds - CNU, Transylvania, Simpson and Smith
2 seeds - Scranton, NYU, Hope, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, Gettysburg, Ithaca, Messiah, DePauw, Whitman
Not sure if Whitman gets to host so it might be MHB
Someone will probably host in Texas, but I think the MHB men are scheduled to host. So, the MHB women probably travel.
Highly doubt UMHB men will host. Not enough teams in driving range. Trinity got SCAC auto bid so that's 2 in TX, but outside of that they'd have to fly 2 in...Women's side there are about 5 teams in driving distance, though 3 are from ASC
Depends on who has priority this year. Either men or women get priority the first weekend with the other getting the 2nd weekend I believe. Then they swap the following year.
Men have priority this year. But I had guessed since UMHB men were not under consideration for hosting (from what I know) that would open up an opportunity for the women to host. No? Who else would host at this point? Guessing Trinity (TX) maybe. Hardin-Simmons seems too out of the way with too poor of a resume for hosting.
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 27, 2022, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 09:33:07 PM
For Pool C:
I have these 14 in:
Amherst, Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, DePauw, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Springfield, Millikin, East Texas Baptist, Babson, Johns Hopkins, John Carroll, UW-Oshkosh, Wartburg
And these 12 for the last 6 spots:
Cortland, Stevens, Washington and Lee, Trinity (Conn.), Mary Washington, Elizabethtown, Carroll, Catholic, Marietta, Loras, Salisbury, UC Santa Cruz
From that group of 12 for the last six spots, I think it highly likely we see Trinity (Conn.), Marietta, and Mary Washington all get in. I like UCSC but they might be the 19th or 20th team off the board if they get in.
I have a real hard time believing the committee will pick those low WP, high SOS teams (Babson, Trinity, UCSC, Mary Washington. Babson eventually overwhelmed with their SOS over .600 and 11 games vs RRO). I hope I'm wrong because i think they're much more deserving than teams like St. Lawrence, Redlands, Washington & Lee. St. Joseph's Maine.
If we look at the Pool C and limiting flights, one of Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz might have the inside track for one of the lasts bids. By having a Whittier, Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz, Whitman and one of MHB/ETB/HSU as an opening weekend they can do this with 2 flights. I think.
The opening weekend in Texas would be 2 of MHB/ETB/HSU, Trinity and Rhodes, one of MHB or ETB would need to host.
In the end the money tends to rule D3 decisions.
Quote from: Baldini on February 28, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
If we look at the Pool C and limiting flights, one of Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz might have the inside track for one of the lasts bids. By having a Whittier, Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz, Whitman and one of MHB/ETB/HSU as an opening weekend they can do this with 2 flights. I think.
The opening weekend in Texas would be 2 of MHB/ETB/HSU, Trinity and Rhodes, one of MHB or ETB would need to host.
In the end the money tends to rule D3 decisions.
What it would do, though, is give them a lot more flexibility the second weekend. It'll be easier to balance the brackets and "risk" an extra flight or two second weekend, because you're only using two the first weekend.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2022, 10:37:52 AM
Quote from: Baldini on February 28, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
If we look at the Pool C and limiting flights, one of Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz might have the inside track for one of the lasts bids. By having a Whittier, Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz, Whitman and one of MHB/ETB/HSU as an opening weekend they can do this with 2 flights. I think.
The opening weekend in Texas would be 2 of MHB/ETB/HSU, Trinity and Rhodes, one of MHB or ETB would need to host.
In the end the money tends to rule D3 decisions.
What it would do, though, is give them a lot more flexibility the second weekend. It'll be easier to balance the brackets and "risk" an extra flight or two second weekend, because you're only using two the first weekend.
Right. I believe this can be built with a strong likelihood of only 2 flights for the second weekend also.
Another possibility would be if both Redlands and UC-Santa Cruz were to get in and one of MHB/ETB/HSU was sent to join the 3 California schools and Whitman sent to Texas. That open HSU up as a host option. Rhodes then would end up at Transylvania. Or Rhodes could still go to Texas leaving Whitman to fly anywhere.
All still 2 flights.
Quote from: Baldini on February 28, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
If we look at the Pool C and limiting flights, one of Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz might have the inside track for one of the lasts bids.....
Geography has ZERO impact on selection though right? Only on hosting/podding/seeding/constructing the bracket post selection?
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 12:05:29 PM
Quote from: Baldini on February 28, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
If we look at the Pool C and limiting flights, one of Redlands/UC-Santa Cruz might have the inside track for one of the lasts bids.....
Geography has ZERO impact on selection though right? Only on hosting/podding/seeding/constructing the bracket post selection?
Theoretically, though the women it is said have been sympathetic to someone sitting at the selection table for an extended time, separate from the official criteria considerations.
MHB men are hosting.
Christopher Newport men also hosting sending the ladies on the road this weekend.
DePauw's pod is a rough pod.
I think that bottom left quadrant might end up being the strongest one.
Hardest Pods:
DePauw
Millikin
Easiest Pods:
S Virginia
not sure another pod is that close, maybe the Mary Hardin-Baylor one?
Quadrant Difficulties:
Top Right
Bottom Left
Bottom Right
Top Left (makes sense, CNU is the #1 seed)
Side Difficulties:
I think right side, narrowly
After agonizing over at-large mock selections for more than two decades, I've finally cracked the code.
The best way for me to pick at-large selections is to just let Scott do it. :)
Nice work.
Quote from: gordonmann on February 28, 2022, 03:18:11 PM
After agonizing over at-large mock selections for more than two decades, I've finally cracked the code.
The best way for me to pick at-large selections is to just let Scott do it. :)
Nice work.
Thanks!
I'm guessing my prediction of St. Lawrence to 5th in Region 03 was wholly incorrect.
I bet the committee kept Hartwick above them.
Even so I would've taken allll these teams over W&L at that final table:
WPI
Trinity
Stevens
Widener
Redlands
Should be an addition made to the criteria that would have caused UCSC to be selected; maybe someone can come up with what that could be. The eyetest and quality of teams played plus how they did against those teams suggests that.
WPI
0.792 WP
0.538 SOS
2-5 RRO (Bates, Trinity CT)
Washington & Lee
0.769 WP
0.519 SOS
3-4 RRO (Mary Washington, Shenandoah, Roanoke )
W&L is worse across the board right?
Quote from: ronk on February 28, 2022, 03:33:35 PM
Should be an addition made to the criteria that would have caused UCSC to be selected; maybe someone can come up with what that could be. The eyetest and quality of teams played plus how they did against those teams suggests that.
eyetest will never be part of the criteria.
I agree though, UCSC totally passed that test. Not sure I watched 20 teams that looked better than them this year.
Relatively valuing WP less and SOS more would have pushed UCSC up the board. It likely would've had them above Redlands in the 2nd regional rankings (and potentially over Trinity TX too), which would've brought them to our prediction table for the final 8 rounds.
The tough thing for UCSC is scheduling. 9-4 vs D3 opponents. 10-4 moves them from 0.692 WP to 0.714 and I think we're having a much different discussion. 10-3 and they're at 0.769 and off the Pool C board maybe 8th??
Unfortunately for them, being isolated geographically means so few games and a razor thin margin. They couldn't lose that 3rd game. (and we all know that probably 2/3 of the Pool C teams are also going 0-3 against Tufts, CNU, CNU).
And listening to their coach on Hoopsville, that Tufts loss was so unfortunate, due to Covid losses. They might not have won with a full team, but they had such a razor thin margin.
Man, 10-3 with a win over either Tufts or CNU and now 5-3 RRO? That's a SPARKLING resume, even under how the committee currently values WP so highly.
on the flipside, playing so few games is ALSO what allowed their SOS to be so darn high. Throw in 3 games against 500 teams, and it doesn't look like such a sparkling outlier.
Quote from: Baldini on February 26, 2022, 10:34:06 PM
* At first, I put Cortland ahead of Salisbury but going to switch those two. The last few are still very much in danger of Sunday upsets.
The last spot in this trial run came with St. Joseph's (Maine), WPI, Cortland, Stevens, Salisbury, Washington & Lee, Otterbein, Carroll, Loras and Redlands on the table for the last pick and I went with Salisbury.
Region 1 - Amherst, Tufts, Trinity (Conn.) (3)
Region 2 - Springfield, Babson (2)
Region 3 - (0)
Region 4 - (0)
Region 5 - Johns Hopkins, Catholic, Elizabethtown, Salisbury (4)
Region 6 - (0)
Region 7 - Trine, DePauw, John Carroll, Marietta (4)
Region 8 - Millikin (1)
Region 9 - UW-WW, Wartburg, UW-Oshkosh (3)
Region 10 - MHBU, East Texas Baptist, UC-Santa Cruz (3)
End up 18 of 20. Had Cortland originally in but at the cost of Salisbury, so I would have been 18 of 20 either way. Just never could have gotten Washington & Lee in over some of the others on the table. Win some, lose some.
Unless I'm missing one, looks like 2 flights with both Whitman and Whitter headed to Hardin-Simmons. As Ryan noted this allowed for more flexibility and it appears they were a bit more creative with it. Like the overall bracket.
While I am surprised W&L and Mary Washington stayed at 3 and 4 in Region 6 (they actually moved up to 2 and 3--we #gleaned poorly), Southern Virginia and Shenandoah were right behind them at 5 and 6, and both those teams had Pool As, so whether W&L was 3,4,5, they were going to be at the table.
Even so, I just don't get how they were picked.
I sure hope it wasn't because they were the highest regionally ranked team at the table. That's not a criteria.
(Update: This is the only explanation I can come up with. Would love to know more.)
Unlikely it was that. Stevens was a 3 too. I think they have a batter resume as well.
Quote from: MrMaus on February 27, 2022, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Looking at the ranking 1-16 from the 1st regional rankings and adjusting for losses since then, the probable #1 seed in each quadrant would be CNU, Transylvania, Simpson, and Smith or Scranton. Of course, changes in vrro for the new unreleased regional rankings might affect the order.
My guess (in no particular order):
1 seeds - CNU, Transylvania, Simpson and Smith
2 seeds - Scranton, NYU, Hope, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, UW-Whitewater, Trine, Gettysburg, Ithaca, Messiah, DePauw, Whitman
Not sure if Whitman gets to host so it might be MHB
If we use the bracket (we probably can't) the seeds in order, look like this.
1's - CNU, Hope, Transylvania, Simpson
2's - UW-WW, Trine, Scranton, Amherst
Next 8 - Tufts, NYU, Ithaca, Smith, Gettysburg, MHB, UW-EC, Hardin-Simmons or Whitman
Quote from: Baldini on February 28, 2022, 04:11:30 PM
Unless I'm missing one, looks like 2 flights with both Whitman and Whitter headed to Hardin-Simmons. As Ryan noted this allowed for more flexibility and it appears they were a bit more creative with it. Like the overall bracket.
Yep, looks like just the two. UMHB barely makes it to Rhodes at 593 miles.
Obviously, not a perfect system regardless of criteria but I think the one school that got shafted today was St. Lawrence.
The winter just got a little bit colder up in the Great White North Country. ;)
If the committee has Emory over Berea in Region 6, I'm not sure how you can put Redlands above UCSC in Region 10.
I still UCSC coulda been left at the table even so (again because of they way the committee weights WP vs SOS), but the ONLY way you slot Emory over Berea in Region 6 is because you're valuing the SOS and RROs. And UCSC has a much stronger resume than Emory.
idk.
Sheesh, not sure how you can defend Pacific over UCSC in the final regional rankings? Only 10 points of WP between them.
Tinfoil hat back on. Washington & Lee ended up #2 in Region 6.
I think (a) they have a worse resume than 2-4 teams below them in their own region, (b) they were picked because they were the highest regionally ranked team left.
Frankly their resume is a lot worse, using the criteria, than multiple other teams that were at the table.
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
Everything is an evolving process, but there seems to be a common thought with the D3 Hoops people that the men got it right and the women need to be just like the men. Any chance that just maybe the men side of the selections put too much or not enough value in one of the criteria also? You put 10 different members in a room you are going to come up with different opinions. Doesn't make them right or wrong, it could mean they're just different.
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2022, 07:53:14 PM
Obviously, not a perfect system regardless of criteria but I think the one school that got shafted today was St. Lawrence.
The winter just got a little bit colder up in the Great White North Country. ;)
SLU lost 3x to Ithaca, and lost 3 games at home, OT to Ithaca, Union [13-14], and Vassar [17-8] - those home losses really hurt SOS because of the lower multiplier. One of those losses was without their big, Katie Frederick, who is a very good player.
To their credit they scheduled Hamilton and Williams from the NESCAC, normally a great strategy to boost SOS, but those teams had down years.
The also lost a scheduled game vs. SUNY Cortland to COVID which would have beefed up their RRO and SOS.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when there's a policy doc or rule book, and the people applying it just decide to do something different or ignore something. At that point what's the point? If you think there's a better way to do it, change the policy/rule.
Every team deserves to have the published criteria applied to them, not 93% of the published criteria + 1 unpublished criteria.
Quote from: thebear on March 01, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: saratoga on February 28, 2022, 07:53:14 PM
Obviously, not a perfect system regardless of criteria but I think the one school that got shafted today was St. Lawrence.
The winter just got a little bit colder up in the Great White North Country. ;)
SLU lost 3x to Ithaca, and lost 3 games at home, OT to Ithaca, Union [13-14], and Vassar [17-8] - those home losses really hurt SOS because of the lower multiplier. One of those losses was without their big, Katie Frederick, who is a very good player.
To their credit they scheduled Hamilton and Williams from the NESCAC, normally a great strategy to boost SOS, but those teams had down years.
The also lost a scheduled game vs. SUNY Cortland to COVID which would have beefed up their RRO and SOS.
There's no home/road multiplier in women's SOS.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:16:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
Everything is an evolving process, but there seems to be a common thought with the D3 Hoops people that the men got it right and the women need to be just like the men. Any chance that just maybe the men side of the selections put too much or not enough value in one of the criteria also? You put 10 different members in a room you are going to come up with different opinions. Doesn't make them right or wrong, it could mean they're just different.
The men's committee appears to use the criteria to try and get the best teams in (e.g. digging into the quality of the RROs).
The women's committee (relatively) appears to stay more on the surface and rely on heuristics (e.g. heavily weighting WP, using regional rank to value the strength of a win vRRO, placing weight on being on the table for a long time, and [ my assumption/inference -> using regional rank as a criteria ]).
Add in the fact that there's much less parity on the women's side, and teams that play strong SOS schedules just don't get, IMO, a fair shake.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
which is just double counting WP?
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when there's a policy doc or rule book, and the people applying it just decide to do something different or ignore something. At that point what's the point? If you think there's a better way to do it, change the policy/rule.
Every team deserves to have the published criteria applied to them, not 93% of the published criteria + 1 unpublished criteria.
As much as you may hate it, it is important to keep the human element involved here. It is the only way to keep certain schools from gaming the system more than they already has, like the NESCAC already has in hoops. Unless you are looking to create a have and have not system greater than it already is.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:16:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
Everything is an evolving process, but there seems to be a common thought with the D3 Hoops people that the men got it right and the women need to be just like the men. Any chance that just maybe the men side of the selections put too much or not enough value in one of the criteria also? You put 10 different members in a room you are going to come up with different opinions. Doesn't make them right or wrong, it could mean they're just different.
The men's committee appears to use the criteria to try and get the best teams in (e.g. digging into the quality of the RROs).
The women's committee (relatively) appears to stay more on the surface and rely on heuristics (e.g. heavily weighting WP, using regional rank to value the strength of a win vRRO, placing weight on being on the table for a long time, and [ my assumption/inference -> using regional rank as a criteria ]).
Add in the fact that there's much less parity on the women's side, and teams that play strong SOS schedules just don't get, IMO, a fair shake.
The fact that there is much less parity is the reason they should not weigh SOS schedule the same way they do on the men's side.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
As much as you may hate it, it is important to keep the human element involved here. It is the only way to keep certain schools from gaming the system more than they already has, like the NESCAC already has in hoops. Unless you are looking to create a have and have not system greater than it already is.
This argument is almost always bad. it usually results in humans making opinionated decisions based on reasons that aren't made public in advance. I don't think anyone should be happy with obfucated, moving targets.
There's already plenty of human element with how there's no specification on how the criteria should be relatively valued. That's fine.
Using something that isn't part of the criteria at all, as part of the criteria, is very bad.
I think using the criteria you can absolutely make the case for the Redlands -> Pacific -> UCSC order in Region 10. I don't think you have to dock UCSC for "only 9 wins" to slot them there. If you want to use that as a reason to dock them, get it added to the criteria. Otherwise using it is patently unfair.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
It is the only way to keep certain schools from gaming the system more than they already has, like the NESCAC already has in hoops.
I strongly disagree that the best way to avoid "gaming the system" is to allow committees to use criteria they're not allowed to use.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
Unless you are looking to create a have and have not system greater than it already is.
Oh absolutely! This is a massive question. And probably the reason every region got the same number of teams in years ago. There's many ways to mitigate the effect of the strong getting stronger, but IMO, letting the committee elevate unpublished criteria is a bad way to do this.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 09:32:10 AM
Add in the fact that there's much less parity on the women's side, and teams that play strong SOS schedules just don't get, IMO, a fair shake.
The fact that there is much less parity is the reason they should not weigh SOS schedule the same way they do on the men's side.
I think maybe you have a different desired outcome than I do?
Cause I think we'd agree that there's a bigger talent/competitive gap between a .900 and .700 team on the women's side than on the men's side. Wouldn't that mean that a point of SOS has relatively stronger value on the women's side?
Case in point -> Hope beating Calvin soundly three times on the women's side. That Calvin team is a quality team, probably top 30 or top 25. But they were no match for Hope. Hope's SOS benefitted a lot from playing Calvin, a team that they probably had 95% win prob against.
Take a top 5 team on the men's side, versus a top 25-30 team, and their win prob is waaaaaaaay less than 95%.
Yet both have the same effect on SOS.
And really it shouldn't be treated as linear. On the women's side the difference in SOS between 0.590 and 0.570 is much more significant that it is on the men's side, because of what kind of teams that +0.20 represents.
though maybe to your point, because of the relative lack of parity, it could totally be that the difference in SOS between 0.520 and 0.480 is smaller than it is on the men's side.
I think that's my takeaway- > SOS differences at the higher end should be valued more and SOS differences at the lower end should be valued less.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
though maybe to your point, because of the relative lack of parity, it could totally be that the difference in SOS between 0.520 and 0.480 is smaller than it is on the men's side.
I think that's my takeaway- > SOS differences at the higher end should be valued more and SOS differences at the lower end should be valued less.
I said, 'The fact that there is much less parity is the reason they should not weigh SOS schedule the same way they do on the men's side'. And after all the rambling you basically agree with me, that is kind of fun.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2022, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 28, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
Also completely sucks for UCSC that committee members docked them for "only 9 wins."
Last time I checked # of wins isn't a primary criteria.
It seems to be part of committee evolution. Number of wins was a major part of the men's convo in the first half on the 2010s, especially if teams had the same number of losses.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when there's a policy doc or rule book, and the people applying it just decide to do something different or ignore something. At that point what's the point? If you think there's a better way to do it, change the policy/rule.
Every team deserves to have the published criteria applied to them, not 93% of the published criteria + 1 unpublished criteria.
Amen
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
though maybe to your point, because of the relative lack of parity, it could totally be that the difference in SOS between 0.520 and 0.480 is smaller than it is on the men's side.
I think that's my takeaway- > SOS differences at the higher end should be valued more and SOS differences at the lower end should be valued less.
I said, 'The fact that there is much less parity is the reason they should not weigh SOS schedule the same way they do on the men's side'. And after all the rambling you basically agree with me, that is kind of fun.
lol if that's how you want to interpret it to back pat yourself no one can stop you.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
As much as you may hate it, it is important to keep the human element involved here. It is the only way to keep certain schools from gaming the system more than they already has, like the NESCAC already has in hoops. Unless you are looking to create a have and have not system greater than it already is.
This argument is almost always bad. it usually results in humans making opinionated decisions based on reasons that aren't made public in advance. I don't think anyone should be happy with obfucated, moving targets.
There's already plenty of human element with how there's no specification on how the criteria should be relatively valued. That's fine.
Using something that isn't part of the criteria at all, as part of the criteria, is very bad.
I think using the criteria you can absolutely make the case for the Redlands -> Pacific -> UCSC order in Region 10. I don't think you have to dock UCSC for "only 9 wins" to slot them there. If you want to use that as a reason to dock them, get it added to the criteria. Otherwise using it is patently unfair.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
It is the only way to keep certain schools from gaming the system more than they already has, like the NESCAC already has in hoops.
I strongly disagree that the best way to avoid "gaming the system" is to allow committees to use criteria they're not allowed to use.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:41:29 AM
Unless you are looking to create a have and have not system greater than it already is.
Oh absolutely! This is a massive question. And probably the reason every region got the same number of teams in years ago. There's many ways to mitigate the effect of the strong getting stronger, but IMO, letting the committee elevate unpublished criteria is a bad way to do this.
Think about what you are saying here. You are upset about something like UC-Santa Cruz was regionally ranked behind two other teams that also didn't get in. As much as you hate it you were not in the room, and you are NOT part of the decision-making process. You keep bringing up the committee using criteria that is not allowed but that is complete assuming on your part, you don't really know. In the end they selected ONE team different than what you thought they should have and that is what you have been upset with since the selections? That is just not a good look.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
though maybe to your point, because of the relative lack of parity, it could totally be that the difference in SOS between 0.520 and 0.480 is smaller than it is on the men's side.
I think that's my takeaway- > SOS differences at the higher end should be valued more and SOS differences at the lower end should be valued less.
I said, 'The fact that there is much less parity is the reason they should not weigh SOS schedule the same way they do on the men's side'. And after all the rambling you basically agree with me, that is kind of fun.
lol if that's how you want to interpret it to back pat yourself no one can stop you.
No need to pat myself on the back, but there has been no shortage of arm waving, look at me posts from your side since the selections have been made. You don't have all the information, you were not there, stop assuming your right and they are wrong, you really don't know.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
Think about what you are saying here. You are upset about something like UC-Santa Cruz was regionally ranked behind two other teams that also didn't get in. As much as you hate it you were not in the room, and you are NOT part of the decision-making process. You keep bringing up the committee using criteria that is not allowed but that is complete assuming on your part, you don't really know. In the end they selected ONE team different than what you thought they should have and that is what you have been upset with since the selections? That is just not a good look.
Megan gave us a LOT of information on Hoopsville.
yeah I guess it's fine if only one deserving team doesn't make it. Definitely good with not trying to be better.
To level set:
I think the criteria were applied inconsistently to one team: Washington & Lee. I'm not sure who the beneficiary should have been (probably either WPI or Stevens), but I sure don't think it should have been UCSC.
Going forward, I have desires about how the criteria should be relatively valued (changes that would result in a resume like UCSC's or Bowdoin's or Salisbury's being higher ranked regionally), but that's forward looking opinions from me.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 01, 2022, 10:52:56 AM
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
Think about what you are saying here. You are upset about something like UC-Santa Cruz was regionally ranked behind two other teams that also didn't get in. As much as you hate it you were not in the room, and you are NOT part of the decision-making process. You keep bringing up the committee using criteria that is not allowed but that is complete assuming on your part, you don't really know. In the end they selected ONE team different than what you thought they should have and that is what you have been upset with since the selections? That is just not a good look.
Megan gave us a LOT of information on Hoopsville.
yeah I guess it's fine if only one deserving team doesn't make it. Definitely good with not trying to be better.
Megan did give us a lot of information and I to watch every minute of it.
One different team not deserving team, that is still assuming something on your part. I didn't see the Washington & Lee selection coming, was surprised and noted so here after the selection, but like you I don't know everything that is going on in the room. Because it differed from the opinion of some people on a forum doesn't make it wrong. Some people do have a harder time coming to grips with the fact that they are just fans than others do.
The following comps show UCSC significantly bests Redlands in 2 of the 3 primary criteria, meaning the banana slugs should have been at the table before Redlands and allowing them to be considered for selection
UCSC Redlands
WP .692 .826
VRRO 4-4 2-1
#1 - 2x, 2,2,3,7,7,drop out #5,7,drop out
SOS .653 .501
Ronk:
I believe what I heard the Women's Chair state last evening was that with so few games played, the committee could not create or extrapolate a linear assumption that the Slugs SOS or Winning % would continue at the same pace.
If you take those two elements out...this is where we find ourselves.
That is why I asked the question how many games needed to qualify and someone said 18 this year for the tournament!I think one way or the other your damned if you do your damned if you dont.Just glad I'm not the committee!It's a tough one!
Something to keep in mind... Nebraska Wesleyan found themselves in a similar boat to UC Santa Cruz for a number of years. Sometimes their criteria didn't hold up. Sometimes it got interesting. Every time their numbers were based on half the games.
Two things about W&L: First they were on the table the entire night. One thing we mentioned early on and I think we forgot on the show ... women tend to eventually take a team if they have been sitting there. It might be the "human" nature, but they end up talking about them so long that eventually they rise higher than others. Second, he vRRO for W&L was much better than we were giving them credit or realized. They had two wins over teams in he upper half of rankings while St. Lawrence, since that's who we chose and was argued earlier, had wins over teams in the bottom 8, 9, 10. That goes to W&L.
When Megan explained it, it made more sense.
Scott - you were invaluable to the process on the show. I loved it, though admittedly lost track as I was balancing/juggling so many things at the same time, but one thing you admitted is how much you love the SOS. The women have not shown as much love over the years. That changed a bit this year. I think that is why we got 19/20 this time because our natural lean towards SOS is where the women started going with things. That said, ultimately the WL% teams usually are the ones selected or those with other criteria advantages.
I'll give you an example even though I hate it and because I think the person complaining on twitter is being a pawn for a coach ... Rochester has a staggering SOS and other good criteria marks over Cortland for example. However, Cortland has a much better WL%. It basically made the argument moot because Cortland simply won more games. That is where I tend to sit more times than not. I appreciate good SOS numbers and teams that have those pretty high, but eventually you have to prove you won and not just a majority of your games. You should show you won at least 2/3s of the time.
One thing I think needs to enter this equation are losses the fall outside the criteria. It is a much more difficult thing to try and hash out on a message ... but it is something I have on my list to investigate further. Already talked to a committee member in a different sport about some ideas and get-togethers to discuss ways to improve the system - which is always up for tweaks.
Quote from: Baldini on March 01, 2022, 09:16:08 AM
Everything is an evolving process, but there seems to be a common thought with the D3 Hoops people that the men got it right and the women need to be just like the men. Any chance that just maybe the men side of the selections put too much or not enough value in one of the criteria also?
I think if you heard me and Dave and Ryan Scott talking on Hoopsville last night you'd have heard that indeed, perhaps we think that the men might value SOS a little too much at the expense of winning games.
Quote from: ronk on March 01, 2022, 11:40:13 AM
The following comps show UCSC significantly bests Redlands in 2 of the 3 primary criteria, meaning the banana slugs should have been at the table before Redlands and allowing them to be considered for selection
UCSC definitely has a strong resume in spots, and has an extraordinarily unique resume.
Even if you want them above Redlands in those regional rankings, the committee did also move Pacific ahead of UCSC. So UCSC was two spots from being at the table.
I do wonder if moving to 10 regions affected selecting a Pool C team that would have not been selected previously when D3 had less regions. this is on the assumption that women's committee has "sympathy" for a team on the table for a while. thoughts?
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 01, 2022, 04:18:59 PM
I do wonder if moving to 10 regions affected selecting a Pool C team that would have not been selected previously when D3 had less regions. this is on the assumption that women's committee has "sympathy" for a team on the table for a while. thoughts?
I do not have the history to know, but it was said adamantly on Hoopsville by D3hoops.com folks that especially the women's committee has made decisions in the past because "a team had been at the table for a long time."
IF that is done I think it's a poor choice because you're implicitly placing greater weight on a team being from a weak region. Seems like you'd want to do the opposite.
There are 5 teams in the tournament that meet all three of these criteria:
At least 5 wins v RRO
The average WP of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.750
The average SOS of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.550
Anyone wanna guess the 5?
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
There are 5 teams in the tournament that meet all three of these criteria:
At least 5 wins v RRO
The average WP of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.750
The average SOS of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.550
Anyone wanna guess the 5?
Before I would guess, I want to know how you did the math - Option A or Option B
If there are multiple wins versus a single team - do you...
Option A - only inlcude that teams record and SOS once
OR
Option B - you include that teams record and SOS for once for each victory (beat them 3 times, then 3 times their W/L and SOS)?
Option B.
And a further clarification, WP is already a percentage, and I simply took an average of those percentages, so whether a team's WP is made up of an 800-200 record or a 4-1 record, it's just the same 0.800 at the end of the day.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 04:23:53 PM
Option B.
And a further clarification, WP is already a percentage, and I simply took an average of those percentages, so whether a team's WP is made up of an 800-200 record or a 4-1 record, it's just the same 0.800 at the end of the day.
So I'm sure Hope and Trine are not in there, was thinking maybe John Carroll - to start
Hope misses the SOS cutoff by 0.03.
Trine misses the SOS cutoff by 0.06.
Both meet the other 2 criteria.
These are totally arbitrarily picked thresholds. I just picked seemingly round numbers and was interested to see how many teams met all three.
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
There are 5 teams in the tournament that meet all three of these criteria:
At least 5 wins v RRO
The average WP of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.750
The average SOS of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.550
Anyone wanna guess the 5?
Guessing Scranton, Simpson, CNU, Eau Claire, and Amherst or Tufts
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
There are 5 teams in the tournament that meet all three of these criteria:
At least 5 wins v RRO
The average WP of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.750
The average SOS of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.550
Anyone wanna guess the 5?
Guessing Scranton, Simpson, CNU, Eau Claire, and Amherst or Tufts
(Y) Scranton
(N) Simpson (0.542 average SOS among RRO wins)
(N) CNU (0.718 WP)
(Y) Eau Claire
(Y) Amherst
(N) Tufts (0.731 WP)
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
There are 5 teams in the tournament that meet all three of these criteria:
At least 5 wins v RRO
The average WP of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.750
The average SOS of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.550
Anyone wanna guess the 5?
Guessing Scranton, Simpson, CNU, Eau Claire, and Amherst or Tufts
(Y) Scranton
(N) Simpson (0.542 average SOS among RRO wins)
(N) CNU (0.718 WP)
(Y) Eau Claire
(Y) Amherst
(N) Tufts (0.731 WP)
NYU and Smith?
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on March 02, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
There are 5 teams in the tournament that meet all three of these criteria:
At least 5 wins v RRO
The average WP of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.750
The average SOS of the teams that were those RRO wins is greater than 0.550
Anyone wanna guess the 5?
Guessing Scranton, Simpson, CNU, Eau Claire, and Amherst or Tufts
(Y) Scranton
(N) Simpson (0.542 average SOS among RRO wins)
(N) CNU (0.718 WP)
(Y) Eau Claire
(Y) Amherst
(N) Tufts (0.731 WP)
Messiah and Bates?
(N) NYU (0.644 WP)
(Y) Smith
(N) Messiah (0.543 SOS)
(Y) Bates
there's all 5!
testing!!
So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 22, 2023, 11:10:39 PM
So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?
My thoughts exactly. That was the biggest surprise in my opinion. Don't know what Gettysburg or Marymount did to jump a team like ETown...numbers seem to favor ETown all the way.
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on February 22, 2023, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 22, 2023, 11:10:39 PM
So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?
My thoughts exactly. That was the biggest surprise in my opinion. Don't know what Gettysburg or Marymount did to jump a team like ETown...numbers seem to favor ETown all the way.
Elizabethtown wins:
Common
WP
vRRO count
Marymount wins:
SOS
Neutral:
H2H
Marymount wins best vRRO win. This HAS to be doing some heavy lifting.
Regionally Ranked teams and their "progress":
--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs #7 Middlebury
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/25 vs #4 Williams
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- SF 2/23 vs Westfield St - postponed
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/23 vs Worcester St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- SF 2/25 @ #1 Tufts
--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Springfield
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs MIT
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/23 vs #7 Mass-Dartmouth
4 --- Eastern Connecticut --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs Castleton
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/23 vs Western New England
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- SF 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College
--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs RPI
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Geneseo
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Oneota
4 --- Rochester --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- 2/25 vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Elmira
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 Vassar
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore
--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- 2/24 vs Brandeis
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Stevens
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- F 2/25 A #5 New Jersey City
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan
--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Elizabethtown
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Alvernia
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Washington College
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs Cabrini
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Haverford
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown
--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- SF 2/24 vs TBD
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- QF 2/23 vs Mount Mary
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- QF 2/23 vs Ferrum
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- QF 2/23 vs Randolph
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- QF 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- QF 2/23 vs Roanoke
--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs Otterbein
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Albion
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/23 @ #2 Baldwin Wallace
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Calvin
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham
--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- SF 2/24 vs Bluffton
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs IWU
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs Carroll
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- SF 2/24 vs Mt St Joseph
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/23 vs Fontbonne
--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #3 UW Oshkosh
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/23 vs Simpson
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 UW Stout
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/23 vs Luther
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs St Benedict
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire
--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Mary Hardin-Baylor
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- SF 2/24 vs TBD
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on February 22, 2023, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 22, 2023, 11:10:39 PM
So now the 2nd set of Regional rankings came out.Region 5 how did Elizabethtown 23-3 drop from 3 to 5th behind Gettysburg 19-6 and Marymount 21-4?Elizabethtown S.O.S .526 vrro is 3-2 Massey(39)Gettysburg S.O.S .551 vrro 4-2.Massey(67)Marymount S.O.S .538 vrro 2-2 Massey(83).Why would ETown drop?
My thoughts exactly. That was the biggest surprise in my opinion. Don't know what Gettysburg or Marymount did to jump a team like ETown...numbers seem to favor ETown all the way.
I will never understand the way they pick is it by the whole criteria W/L ,S.O.S ,VRRO or is it throw darts and pick a team because they have a better S.O.S then team A or a Better W/L %.I have question on a couple more regions then because region 1,7,8,9 can all be in question then if we pick just on criteria like W/L%.Like For Instance Team A has a W/L of 25-0,S.O.S of .524 Vrro 2-0,Team B has 17-7 .628 S.O.S vrro 8-2,Team C is 20-4 .590 S.O.S,vrro 5-4 In my eyes team b should be #1 in that region.Would that be right or wrong?Just like the Regiion 7 with ONU ,BW,Hope..Thanks for any info
Just trying to understand the committees way of putting g it together!!TY
Augie:
I'm not sure the committee even fully understands what they should put more emphasis on for any degrees of separation.
They have Steps 1,2, & 3 to follow but it can get fuzzy pretty fast.
For the final & toughest picks by the committee, I suggest beer pong with tequila chasers followed by dart throwing.
Quote from: saratoga on February 23, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Augie:
I'm not sure the committee even fully understands what they should put more emphasis on for any degrees of separation.
They have Steps 1,2, & 3 to follow but it can get fuzzy pretty fast.
For the final & toughest picks by the committee, I suggest beer pong with tequila chasers followed by dart throwing.
Been a few regions and/or years where I'd like them to end with dart catching :)
I know they have a tough job to do and I'm not claiming I would be any better at it than they are - it's just sometimes so @!#%)#&)#^&#%&* frustrating
Agree 100%.
Quote from: saratoga on February 23, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Augie:
I'm not sure the committee even fully understands what they should put more emphasis on for any degrees of separation.
They have Steps 1,2, & 3 to follow but it can get fuzzy pretty fast.
For the final & toughest picks by the committee, I suggest beer pong with tequila chasers followed by dart throwing.
Thanks Saratoga lol
Just like Region 1 Tufts is ranked 1,Trinity(ct) 2.Tufts is 19-6,S.O.S .653 wp% .760,vrro 7-5,Trinity 21-4,S.O.S.618,wp.840%,vrro 8-3.I know exactly what they will say they have a better S.O.S ok I can take that but then go to a couple more Regions.So Region 8 Transylvania #1,WashU #2,Chicago#3.So break down these numbers Transylvania 25-0,S.O.S .524,wp% 1000,vrro 2-0,WashU 17-7,S.O.S.628,Wp%.708,vrro8-2,Chicago 20-4,S.O.S.590,wp% .833,vrro 5-4.So if we are going by S.O.S in Region 1 what are we going by in Region 8 W/L because Transylvania is down alot in S.O.S and vrro?
I think...and don't hold me to this, that I heard the Women's Committee Chair state that not all regions can be held to the same or identical standards for varying reasons.
At that point, subjective viewpoints enter the conversation.
So just looked up some more information-This is right from the NCAA official web.Primary Criteria they use WP%(versus D3 team) Saratoga that has to hurt Desales then play 2 non d3 teams.SOS,VRRO,H2H and Results versus common opponents.This is from one body so im sure they all use the same.Scottiedawg so on that versus d3 teams does it hurt a team that plays 23 games rather then 25 like a Desales in the rankings or no?
Well Baldwin Wallace is taking a pool C away from someone by losing to Marietta 71-65
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 23, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Well Baldwin Wallace is taking a pool C away from someone by losing to Marietta 71-65
No bid thief IMO. I think BW, ONU, and Marietta were all in anyway. Same number of bids taken up.
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 23, 2023, 07:29:29 PM
So just looked up some more information-This is right from the NCAA official web.Primary Criteria they use WP%(versus D3 team) Saratoga that has to hurt Desales then play 2 non d3 teams.SOS,VRRO,H2H and Results versus common opponents.This is from one body so im sure they all use the same.Scottiedawg so on that versus d3 teams does it hurt a team that plays 23 games rather then 25 like a Desales in the rankings or no?
It just means your math is made up of fewer games. Doesn't change much.
(unless you're UC Santa Cruz playing < 20 D3 games last year)
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 23, 2023, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on February 23, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Well Baldwin Wallace is taking a pool C away from someone by losing to Marietta 71-65
No bid thief IMO. I think BW, ONU, and Marietta were all in anyway. Same number of bids taken up.
Okay I thought they are in the top 16 also
Updated through games of 2/23
--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs #7 Middlebury
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/25 vs #4 Williams
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Worcester St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- SF 2/25 @ #1 Tufts
--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Springfield
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs MIT
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 @ #4 Eastern Connecticut
4 --- Eastern Connecticut --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 TBD
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost @ #3 Rhode Island College
--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs RPI
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Geneseo
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Oneota
4 --- Rochester --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- 2/25 vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Elmira
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 Vassar
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore
--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- 2/24 vs Brandeis
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Stevens
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- F 2/25 A #5 New Jersey City
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan
--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Elizabethtown
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Alvernia
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Washington College
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs Cabrini
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Haverford
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown
--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- SF 2/24 vs Finlandia
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Reg 10 #7 UC Santa Cruz
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs Randolph
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- SF 2/25 vs Shenandoah
--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #4 Marietta
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Albion
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Calvin
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham
--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- SF 2/24 vs Bluffton
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs IWU
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs Carroll
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- SF 2/24 vs Mt St Joseph
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 vs Westminster (MO)
--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #3 UW Oshkosh
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #5 Wartburg
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 UW Stout
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs St Benedict
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire
--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Mary Hardin-Baylor
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington
ASC Semifinals
UTDallas 73 HSU 71
ETBU 68, UMHB 65 (OT)
As I posted on Twitter ->
While not a 100% guaranteed Bid Thief situation, Texas Dallas beating Hardin-Simmons is a likely one, as Texas Dallas needs the Pool A, and ETBU's Pool C chances are slim. It is likely the ASC will steal a bid from the field.
Updated through games of 2/24
--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs #7 Middlebury
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/25 vs #4 Williams
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 vs Westfield St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- SF 2/25 @ #1 Tufts
--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/26 vs #2 Babson
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Smith
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 @ #4 Eastern Connecticut
4 --- Eastern Connecticut --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 TBD
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College
--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/26 vs #6 Skidmore
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Cortland
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 SUNY New Paltz
4 --- Rochester --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- 2/25 vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Nazareth
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 @ Ithaca
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore
--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- Conf Champ Pool A
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Stevens
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- F 2/25 A #5 New Jersey City
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan
--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Elizabethtown
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Alvernia
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 @ #6 Johns Hopkins
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs Cabrini
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 vs #3 Gettysburg
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown
--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- F 2/25 vs #2 Mary Washington
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Christopher Newport
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs Randolph
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- SF 2/25 vs Shenandoah
--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #4 Marietta
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Trine
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 @ #3 Hope
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham
--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Hanover
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Augustana
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- F @/25 @ #4 Millikin
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Transylvania
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 vs Westminster (MO)
--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 vs #4 UW Eau Claire
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #5 Wartburg
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- F 2/25 @ #1 UW Whitewater
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Concordia-Moorhead
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire
--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/25 vs Texas Lutheran
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs Schreiner
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 vs Texas-Dallas
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- Lost 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington
The excitement begins to find out who will be hosting etc.Mr Maus nice job.The only thing I have with it is teams with 8-9 losses getting in.I understand that a team like Rochester at 16-9 getting in ove a team that has a record of say 20-6.My opinion only will see but D3 usually nails it almost all of the time.
The D3 tournament selection is a joke, way too weighted on inclusion over quality. Take a team like Rochester for example. 16-9 but I think 6 wins over RRO. Convincing double digit wins over StJF, Messiah, Ithaca. Sure they struggled a bit in their league, but put them in far far weaker conferences like the SUNYAC, LL, E8, Landmark and many others where there are a large number of pretty much guaranteed wins and they'd be sitting on 22 wins at least. So for New Paltz to get in over Rochester would be a complete travesty. Who did New Pal beat that was actually any good? If New Paltz was in the UAA they'd be dead last.
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I hear your argument & it comes up every year...just the nature of the beast.
Kind of like hearing a Power D-1 complain they were left out of the tournament with a 18-10 record playing in the ACC or Big 10 yet a school like Bucknell or Lehigh get the automatic.
The fact is, Rochester did themselves no favors by losing to Brandeis (the Judges only UAA win) nor did they help themselves by losing 8 out of their last 11 games.
If Lehigh was in the ACC, they'd be dead last too.
But, they aren't...they are in the Patriot & they or another member will be getting an AQ.
Rochester controlled their own destiny...just didn't do a very good job down the stretch this year.
If I'm on the committee...no way do they get my vote.
Updated through games of 2/25
--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs #2 Trinity
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Tufts
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs Westfield St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Tufts
--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/26 vs #2 Babson
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Smith
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Eastern Connecticut --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/26 vs Endicott
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College
--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/26 vs #6 Skidmore
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Lost 2/25 vs #3 Cortland
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Rochester --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- Lost vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 @ Ithaca
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore
--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- Conf Champ Pool A
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- Lost 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan
--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 @ #6 Johns Hopkins
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 vs #3 Gettysburg
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown
--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Christopher Newport
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs Shenandoah
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- Won 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs Shenandoah
--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #3 Hope
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham
--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- Lost 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- Won 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost @/25 @ #4 Millikin
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Transylvania
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs #4 UW Eau Claire
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- F 2/26 @ #1 UW Whitewater
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/26 vs Concordia-Moorhead
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire
--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/26 vs #4 Colorado College
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Trinity (Texas)
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/25 vs Texas-Dallas
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- Lost 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington
Re comments on Rochester - it was just an example. I have no problem with an AQ. Just that some very weak conferences have a chance at 2 spots simply because they don't play anyone else outside of conference. I used Rochester as an example (I never went or played there or had a kid who did) because in their non conference schedule they sought out other strong teams - Ithaca/Messiah/STJ Fisher and drubbed them. What I am saying is that for Pool C should be selected on a more objective rating system like the Massey ratings. That way there would be a better balance between participation through AQ and actual strength as a team. It would be a better tournament, too.
Rochester played 11 non-conference games, 7 were at home, 4 on the road, all within 2 hour drive of campus, Brockport [20 miles], Buffalo St. [73 miles], Hamilton [133 miles] & Geneva [48 miles].
Brockport was 9-9 [5th place] in the SUNYAC and lost to Rochester 67-54, New Paltz beat them twice by 15 and 23.
Buffalo State was LAST [1-17] in the SUNYAC and lost to Rochester, 71-56, while New Paltz beat them twice by 66 [not a typo] and 29.
Having been the budget officer for athletics, particularly with UAA travel expenses, I can understand picking non-conference opponents closer to home, but also I question whether or not the UAA should be in its own region, since their conference games are not easily comparable to the other schools in their NCAA region.
JMHO
Quote from: saratoga on February 26, 2023, 09:30:29 AM
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I hear your argument & it comes up every year...just the nature of the beast.
Kind of like hearing a Power D-1 complain they were left out of the tournament with a 18-10 record playing in the ACC or Big 10 yet a school like Bucknell or Lehigh get the automatic.
The fact is, Rochester did themselves no favors by losing to Brandeis (the Judges only UAA win) nor did they help themselves by losing 8 out of their last 11 games.
If Lehigh was in the ACC, they'd be dead last too.
But, they aren't...they are in the Patriot & they or another member will be getting an AQ.
BTW, Boston U is leading the Patriot League this year, for the record. i wonder if their coach, Melissa Graves, could handle a top DIII league-- she only has experience playing and coaching in DI.
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Rochester controlled their own destiny...just didn't do a very good job down the stretch this year.
If I'm on the committee...no way do they get my vote.
I don't get the logic of this. UR played and beat Ithaca, SJFisher and Messiah. Some years it might be mostly away and not home, so whatever. It has nothing to do with money. Aren't all those teams on like 2 losses? Like most teams in D3 UR has local relationships to maintain. My point isn't really only about Rochester, I just used them as an exmple - for Pool C let's use Massey ratings so as to get the best possible tournament.
It's a great discussion to continually have!
I do favor systems that are objective as possible. While the current NCAA system is very objective (IMO), your statement that a system like Massey is MORE objective is 100% true.
I've gone back and forth whether we gain something from the subjectivity involved with the committee getting to decide relative weight between all Primary and Secondary criteria. I don't think the subjectivity results in any "hidden decisions." I would like a bit more consistency, which something more objective would get us.
I'd also appreciate a more "linear" treatment of the data, as opposed to the apparent "elbows/thresholds" I think I'm seeing.
I do think the NCAA WANTS the current system that penalizes teams in strong regions and "helps" teams in weak regions. I think the NCAA wants some mechanism to keep the national tournament as national as possible.
I would agree it results in NOT the 19 best basketball teams selected for Pool C.
I think teams like Springfield, Amherst, UW-Stout, Rochester are probably better basketball teams than say SUNY New Paltz, Stevens, Elizabethtown.
See and I like the RPI or RTG system that was used and someone I follow uses it well and it explains everything up to date.For instance let's compare Rochester vs New Paltz.Both fighting for pool c So okay Rochester WP% .640 ,SOS.599,RPI-RTG.638 ranked 56th pool C rank 29th, vs d3 16-9 vrro5-6 overall 16-9 Ranked 7th in the regional rankings on his web page Scottiedawg has them 54th.New Paltz-Is 3rd in same region,WP%.852,SOS.563,RPI-RTG-26 pool C rank 10th,vs d3 23-4,vrro2-4,Overall 23-4 .If I did not put up names Rochester (Didnt even come close to winnning its conference)is team A and New Paltz is Team B what team would you pick for pool C ?A team 16-9 or Team B at 23-4 made the conference championship game(I remember back a couple years ago that had some weight bearing for the committee) not sure about today?
First 16 rounds (by region):
1 Trinity
2 Babson
2 E. Conn
3 Ithaca
3 SUNY New Paltz
4 Stevens
5 E Town
6 Mary Wash
7 Baldwin Wallace
7 Marietta
7 Trine
8 Wash U
8 Chicago
9 UW Oshkosh
9 UW Eau Claire
10 Hardin Simmons
Left "on the board" (by region) for 3 spots:
1 Amherst (17-8) #3
2 Springfield (17-8) #6
3 Rochester (16-8) #4
4 Misericordia (18-7) #4
5 Johns Hopkins (20-6) #6 then Catholic (18-7) #7
6 Randolph Macon (19-6) #4
7 Calvin (19-5) #6
8 Augustana (17-8) #5
9 Wartburg (20-5) #5
10 Puget Sound (19-4) #3
I would argue you could make strong arguments for and against all 11 of those teams listed above. Since we have to prognosticate I will give my three guesses: Amherst, Calvin & Wartburg, with Johns Hopkins and Puget Sound rightfully complaining.
Lastly, wanted to comment on the chain about making sure we have "the best" teams in the tournament. That is certainly not the purpose. These young ladies are Student-Athletes, in that order. They have chosen to play for their school, be part of a team and compete "for the love of the game". It is great we get participants from all over the country, from all sorts of conferences and from all kinds of backgrounds. And no ranking system will be perfect or get it all right, so we live with the one they have put in place.
I have a daughter who picked a NESCAC school over an Ivy so she could start as a freshman and have a real shot at the tournament every year and another who turned down D1 money for a better academic experience, and proceeded to get injured the summer before her freshman year badly enough she may never play in college. Can we please just congratulate those that make it, give condolences to those fall off the bubble and cheer each and every kid for putting their heart out on the court.
Regular season & conference tourny play completed!
--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/26 @ #1 Tufts
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Tufts
--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/26 @ #1 Smith
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Eastern Connecticut --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College
--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Lost 2/26 vs #6 Skidmore
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Lost 2/25 vs #3 Cortland
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Rochester --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- Lost vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore
--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- Conf Champ Pool A
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- Lost 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan
--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/26 vs #3 Gettysburg
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown
--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Christopher Newport
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/26 vs Shenandoah
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- Won 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs Shenandoah
--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #3 Hope
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham
--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- Lost 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- Won 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost @/25 @ #4 Millikin
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Transylvania
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/26 @ #1 UW Whitewater
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire
--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/26 @ #1 Trinity (Texas)
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/25 vs Texas-Dallas
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- Lost 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington
Quote from: MrMaus on February 26, 2023, 04:32:41 PM
First 16 rounds (by region):
1 Trinity
2 Babson
2 E. Conn
3 Ithaca
3 SUNY New Paltz
4 Stevens
5 E Town
6 Mary Wash
7 Baldwin Wallace
7 Marietta
7 Trine
8 Wash U
8 Chicago
9 UW Oshkosh
9 UW Eau Claire
10 Hardin Simmons
Left "on the board" (by region) for 3 spots:
1 Amherst (17-8) #3
2 Springfield (17-8) #6
3 Rochester (16-8) #4
4 Misericordia (18-7) #4
5 Johns Hopkins (20-6) #6 then Catholic (18-7) #7
6 Randolph Macon (19-6) #4
7 Calvin (19-5) #6
8 Augustana (17-8) #5
9 Wartburg (20-5) #5
10 Puget Sound (19-4) #3
I would argue you could make strong arguments for and against all 11 of those teams listed above. Since we have to prognosticate I will give my three guesses: Amherst, Calvin & Wartburg, with Johns Hopkins and Puget Sound rightfully complaining.
I agree almost 100%. I think Wartburg will struggle to be selected with just the single win vRRO. And I think Calvin's SOS will keep them from being selected. But it's so close for those last 3 spots with varied types of resumes.
The NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Selection Show from earlier today is now available on Youtube on the official NCAA Championships channel.
If you missed the show earlier today, it will be easier to rewatch the show on Youtube, since Youtube will allow you to fast forward to get to your good part (or bad part, if the bubble burst on your team.)
One correction to note below:
--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Christopher Newport
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/26 vs Shenandoah W&L was the ODAC Conference Champ Pool A winner
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- Won 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs Shenandoah
The NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Committee has released the official NCAA DIII NPI Summary Report for games played through Monday, February 17, 2025.
It is available at:
http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/42974
We expect official NCAA DIII Basketball NPI summary reports to be released on a daily basis now that we are now in the final 2 weeks of the regular season before the NCAA DIII Men's and Women's Basketball Tournaments. DIII programs requested the Championships Committee to ask the DIII basketball sports committees to release these reports on a daily basis for the final 2 weeks of the regular season based on the experience of the NPI summary reports being released daily in the fall season during conference tournament week for soccer, among other fall sports.
Of course, you can always follow the D3Datacast women's basketball NPI summary reports as well, which have done the parallel NPI daily runs since the beginning of basketball season at: http://d3datacast.com/npi/wbb-npi So far, the D3Datacast runs have effectively gotten the NPI numbers spot on.
Ticket punched to the 2024-25 NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Championship-- NYU
Congratulations to NYU on officially clinching the AQ out of the UAA.
NYU officially clinched the UAA AQ on Sunday by virtue of the UAA's second tiebreaker-- results vs teams in descending order down the UAA standings until the tie is broken.
Currently, Emory and Chicago are ahead of Brandeis in the standings. Since both Emory and Chicago swept Brandeis head-to-head, the only way for Brandeis to finish ahead of both teams in the UAA standings is by the Judges winning out their final 3 home games. The only way for the Judges to win out is have one of those wins come against Carnegie Mellon this upcoming Sunday. Any Carnegie Mellon loss would lead NYU to clinch the UAA women's basketball championship outright.
So, if both NYU and Carnegie Mellon finish as UAA women's basketball co-champions at 11-3, Emory and Chicago would also finish ahead of Brandeis in the standings.
NYU finished 2-0 vs Emory and 2-0 vs Chicago, while Carnegie Mellon finished 1-1 vs both of these teams.
Therefore, NYU has clinched the AQ out of the UAA-- congratulations to the NYU women on officially getting their ticket punched to the NCAAs.
The NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Committee has released the official NCAA DIII NPI Women's Basketball Summary Report for games through Sunday, Feb. 23, 2025.
It can be found at:
http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43056 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43056)
Sorry, I did not publish links this week on a daily basis for the NPI reports for women's basketball even though they were released daily. Since it is much easier for data entry to be correct for DIII women's basketball due to the fact that there is no home/away multiplier for this sport, the daily review would be more likely for completeness of the data rather than an incorrectly entered game result.
My plan for completeness will be to put up daily links on this page this week so that people can see for themselves if the D3Datacast unofficial NPI runs through Massey match the official NPI runs through the NCAA Statistics system. So far, so good. Tonight's D3Datacast run conducted at 10:08 PM ET on Sunday, February 23, 2025 produced the exact NPI numbers as are seen in the official report. If there is an error, it is a rounding error for the third place, and not an incorrect data entry.
Note-- For purposes of Last 7 In/First 7 Out by NPI rankings, it is assumed that the team in the NPI rankings with the highest NPI in the conference will get the AQ. As AQ's get claimed by conference tournament results, the picture will change.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not next Sunday evening.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Sunday, Feb. 23, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #40-- Rhode Island College-- 58.155
2.) #41-- Texas Lutheran-- 58.155
3.) #42-- Hope-- 58.092
4.) #43-- Endicott-- 57.997
5.) #45-- Bridgewater (VA)-- 57.883
6.) #47-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.747
7.) #48-- WashU-- 57.744
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Sunday, Feb. 23, 2025
1.) #49-- UW-La Crosse-- 57.615
2.) #51-- John Carroll-- 57.498
3.) #54-- Ohio Northern-- 57.393
4.) #56-- Capital-- 57.279
5.) #57-- Emory-- 57.207
6.) #59-- Hardin-Simmons-- 56.955
7.) #60-- DePauw-- 56.709
The D3Datacast computer has done another unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Monday, Feb. 24, 2025-- The run occurred on Monday, Feb. 24, at 10:19 PM ET, after the 3 conference tournament games played that day. (2 GNAC play-in round games and the Atlantic East first round game.)
Note-- For purposes of Last 7 In/First 7 Out by NPI rankings, it is assumed that the team in the NPI rankings with the highest NPI in the conference will get the AQ. As AQ's get claimed by conference tournament results, the picture will change.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not next Sunday evening.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Monday, Feb. 24, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #40-- Texas Lutheran-- 58.155
2.) #41-- Rhode Island College-- 58.151
3.) #42-- Hope-- 58.092
4.) #43-- Endicott-- 57.999
5.) #45-- Bridgewater (VA)-- 57.830
6.) #47-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.747
7.) #48-- WashU-- 57.741
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Monday, Feb. 24, 2025
1.) #49-- UW-La Crosse-- 57.615
2.) #51-- John Carroll-- 57.498
3.) #54-- Ohio Northern-- 57.394
4.) #56-- Capital-- 57.279
5.) #57-- Emory-- 57.205
6.) #59-- Hardin-Simmons-- 56.955
7.) #60-- DePauw-- 56.709
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Summary Report for games played through Monday, February 24, 2025 has been released. It is available at:
http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43079 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43079)
There are some discrepancies between the official NPI numbers this morning and the D3Datacast NPI numbers from last night's run.
This is most likely because there was actually an additional non-conference game DIII women's basketball game played last night as a makeup from a game that was originally scheduled to be played on Friday, January 3, 2025, but was postponed due to weather.
Last night, The York (NY) women out of the CUNYAC played that re-scheduled non-conference game at Old Westbury (Skyline) and won, 55-37.
The game originally scheduled on Friday, January 3, 2025, was supposed to be played at York (NY)'s gym,but the rescheduled game last night was moved to Old Westbury. Since DIII women's basketball does not use a home/away multiplier, it is just a matter of including the result-- the location does not change the game score NPI result.
That score probably did not make it into the Massey system at the time of last night's run, but did make it into the NCAA Statistics system this morning. Massey now has that score as well.
So, if there is a updated D3Datacast run this afternoon, the NPI numbers should match.
Quote from: deiscanton on February 25, 2025, 12:29:16 PMThe official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Summary Report for games played through Monday, February 24, 2025 has been released. It is available at:
http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43079 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43079)
There are some discrepancies between the official NPI numbers this morning and the D3Datacast NPI numbers from last night's run.
This is most likely because there was actually an additional non-conference game DIII women's basketball game played last night as a makeup from a game that was originally scheduled to be played on Friday, January 3, 2025, but was postponed due to weather.
Last night, The York (NY) women out of the CUNYAC played that re-scheduled non-conference game at Old Westbury (Skyline) and won, 55-37.
The game originally scheduled on Friday, January 3, 2025, was supposed to be played at York (NY)'s gym,but the rescheduled game last night was moved to Old Westbury. Since DIII women's basketball does not use a home/away multiplier, it is just a matter of including the result-- the location does not change the game score NPI result.
That score probably did not make it into the Massey system at the time of last night's run, but did make it into the NCAA Statistics system this morning. Massey now has that score as well.
So, if there is a updated D3Datacast run this afternoon, the NPI numbers should match.
Last night's D3Datacast women's run also did not pick up Emmanuel's GNAC play-in win over Regis. Emmanuel won last night's game 74-44 and will be playing at St. Joe's Maine in the GNAC quarterfinals this evening.
All of last night's scores are now in the Massey database-- the 3 women's basketball conference tournament games from last night (2 GNAC play-in round games and 1 Atlantic East first round game) as well as the
York (NY) win at Old Westbury-- which contrary to my initial belief, the D3Datacast run did catch.
Hopefully, an updated D3Datacast run this afternoon will produce the numbers that match this morning's official NPI report.
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Summary Report for games played through Tuesday, February 25, 2025 has been released. It is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43086 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43086)
The D3Datacast computer did another unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Tuesday Feb. 25, 2025-- it was conducted on Wednesday, Feb. 26 at 7:22 AM ET. These numbers have been confirmed by the official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Ranking Summary Report released this morning.
Note-- For purposes of Last 7 In/First 7 Out by NPI rankings, it is assumed that the team in the NPI rankings with the highest NPI in the conference will get the AQ. As AQ's get claimed by conference tournament results, the picture will change.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not next Sunday evening.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Tuesday,Feb. 25, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #40-- Rhode Island College-- 58.169
2.) #41-- Hope-- 58.138
3.) #42-- UW-La Crosse-- 58.010
4.) #44-- Endicott-- 58.000
5.) #45-- UW-Stevens Point-- 57.932
6.) #46-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.809
7.) #48-- WashU-- 57.763
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2025
1.) #50-- Capital-- 57.618
2.) #53-- Ohio Northern-- 57.404
3.) #56-- Emory-- 57.242
4.) #57-- Bridgewater (VA)-- 57.083
5.) #58-- Hardin-Simmons-- 56.993
6.) #59-- John Carroll-- 56.880
7.) #60-- DePauw-- 56.770
The D3Datacast computer did another unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Wednesday Feb. 26, 2025-- it was conducted on Thursday, Feb. 27 at 7:20 AM ET.
Note-- For purposes of Last 7 In/First 7 Out by NPI rankings, it is assumed that the team in the NPI rankings with the highest NPI in the conference will get the AQ. As AQ's get claimed by conference tournament results, the picture will change.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not next Sunday evening.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Wednesday, Feb. 26, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #39-- Hope-- 58.137
2.) #40-- Rhode Island College-- 58.110
3.) #42-- UW-La Crosse-- 58.020
4.) #43-- UW-Stevens Point-- 57.940
5.) #45-- Endicott-- 57.911
6.) #46-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.809
7.) #48-- WashU-- 57.718
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Wednesday, Feb. 26, 2025
1.) #50-- Capital-- 57.606
2.) #54-- Ohio Northern-- 57.363
3.) #55-- Emory-- 57.204
4.) #57-- Bridgewater (VA)-- 57.074
5.) #58-- Hardin-Simmons-- 56.992
6.) #59-- John Carroll-- 56.894
7.) #60-- Montclair State-- 56.857
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Summary Report for games played through Wednesday, Feb. 26, 2025 has been released. It is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43096 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43096)
I have been watching Hoopsville this afternoon and have seen Dave McHugh's interview with Brockport women's coach Corrinne Jones.
Bubble teams on the women's side are going to be rooting for Brockport to beat Geneseo on Saturday and get the Empire 8 AQ, because Geneseo will be a bid thief if they beat Brockport in the Empire 8 championship game.
As of right now, Brockport is ranked #35 in the NPI at 58.788. According to D3Datacast, Brockport's NPI currently gives the Golden Eagles the 12th at-large bid in the NCAA DIII women's basketball tournament if they needed it if selections were done today.
A loss on Saturday to Geneseo drops Brockport's NPI to an average of 58.400 according to Scott Peterson's season simulations as of this morning. Brockport's final NPI is projected to fall into a range between 58.100 and 59.400. This morning's 1,000 season simulations gave Brockport an at-large if they needed it 821 times out of 1,000. That most likely means that Brockport would most likely be one of the last 7 teams into the NCAA DIII women's basketball tournament if they lose on Saturday.
On the other hand, Geneseo is ranked #65 in the NPI at 56.359. That means that Geneseo needs to win on Saturday to get the AQ-- otherwise, Geneseo is out.
The D3Datacast computer did another unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Thursday Feb. 27, 2025-- it was conducted on Friday, Feb. 28 at 7:16 AM ET.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not this upcoming Sunday evening.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Thursday, Feb. 27, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #40-- Texas Lutheran-- 58.197
2.) #41-- Hope-- 58.135
3.) #43-- UW-Stevens Point-- 57.961
4.) #45-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.853
5.) #47-- UW-La Crosse-- 57.797
6.) #48-- WashU-- 57.768
7.) #49-- Ohio Northern-- 57.729
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Thursday, Feb. 27, 2025
1.) #52-- Rhode Island College-- 57.490
2.) #53-- Capital-- 57.438
3.) #54-- Emory-- 57.230
4.) #56-- Bridgewater (VA)-- 57.105
5.) #57-- Hardin-Simmons-- 57.009
6.) #58-- John Carroll-- 56.902
7.) #59-- Montclair State-- 56.842
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Ranking Summary Report for games played through Thursday, February 27, 2025 has been released. It is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43114 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43114)
The D3Datacast computer did another unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Friday Feb. 28, 2025-- it was conducted on Saturday, March 1 at 8:01 AM ET.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not this upcoming Sunday evening.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Friday, Feb. 28, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #38-- Texas Lutheran-- 58.344
2.) #39-- Endicott-- 58.247
3.) #42-- UW-Stevens Point-- 57.970
4.) #45-- WashU-- 57.804
5.) #46-- UW-La Crosse-- 57.799
6.) #48-- Ohio Northern-- 57.718
7.) #49-- Hardin-Simmons-- 57.701
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Friday, Feb. 28, 2025
1.) #51-- Hope-- 57.506
2.) #52-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.460
3.) #53-- Rhode Island College-- 57.436
4.) #54-- Capital-- 57.397
5.) #55-- Emory-- 57.303
6.) #57-- Bridgewater (VA)-- 57.116
7.) #59-- John Carroll-- 56.915
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Ranking Summary Report for games played through Friday, February 28, 2025 has been released. It is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43135 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43135)
The D3Datacast computer did another unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Saturday March 1, 2025-- it was conducted on Saturday, March 1 at 11:43 PM ET.
These projections are if selections were occurring right now, and not approx 15 hours from now, when the last AQ gets decided. Suffice it to say at this time, however, that if your team is among the First 7 Out as of this post, your team's bubble has popped and your team is not going to make the NCAA DIII Women's Tournament.
D3Datacast's projected Last 7 In through games of Saturday, March 1, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
1.) #34-- Merchant Marine-- 59.115
2.) #35-- McMurry-- 58.946
3.) #37-- Tufts-- 58.866
4.) #38-- Bates-- 58.369
5.) #42-- Brockport-- 58.243
6.) #43-- UW-Stevens Point-- 58.026
7.) #45-- UW- La Crosse-- 57.824
D3 Datacast's projected First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Saturday, March 1, 2025
1.) #46-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.640
2.) #47-- Hope-- 57.618
3.) #48-- Ohio Northern-- 57.508
4.) #49-- Hardin-Simmons-- 57.448
5.) #50-- Capital-- 57.424
6.) #51-- WashU-- 57.419
7.) #52-- Rhode Island College-- 57.393
At this point among the Last 7 In, it looks like Merchant Marine, McMurry, Tufts, and Bates are going to make the NCAA DIII Women's Tournament.
There are only 3 potential bid thief games left to be played this Sunday afternoon. Brockport, UW-Stevens Point, and UW-LaCrosse want to root for Smith, Bowdoin, and Texas Lutheran to win this afternoon.
NEWMAC-- MIT at Smith-- MIT is the potential bid thief.
NESCAC-- Colby at Bowdoin-- Colby is the potential bid thief.
SCAC-- Trinity (TX) at Texas Lutheran-- Trinity (TX) is the potential bid thief.
The other AQs being decided this afternoon are (1) the Centennial, in which the loser between Gettysburg and Johns Hopkins is safely in as an at-large bid, and (2) the Liberty League, which is a one bid league. (Vassar vs Ithaca)
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Ranking Summary Report for games played through Saturday, March 1, 2025 has been released. It is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43136 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43136)
The D3Datacast computer did the final unofficial run of the NPI numbers through games of Sunday, March 2, 2025-- it was conducted on Sunday, March 2 at 4:45 PM ET.
In addition, the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Committee has confirmed these numbers through their release of the official NPI ranking selections report this evening.
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI ranking selections report is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43153 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43153)
Congratulations to the following at-large teams selected by the NPI, and commiserations to those teams who did not make it to the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Championship.
The official Last 7 In through games of Sunday, March 2, 2025 by NPI and NPI ranking
15.) #34-- Trinity (CT)-- 59.095
16.) #35-- McMurry-- 58.930
17.) #37-- Tufts-- 58.826
18.) #38-- Bates-- 58.622
19.) #42-- Brockport-- 58.233
20.) #43-- UW-Stevens Point-- 58.023
21.) #45-- UW-La Crosse-- 57.820
The official First 7 Out by NPI and NPI rankings through games of Sunday, March 2, 2025
1.) #46-- Mary Hardin-Baylor-- 57.626
2.) #47-- Hope-- 57.614
3.) #48-- Ohio Northern-- 57.502
4.) #49-- Hardin-Simmons-- 57.439
5.) #50-- Capital-- 57.420
6.) #51-- WashU-- 57.403
7.) #52-- Rhode Island College-- 57.380
The official NCAA DIII Women's Basketball NPI Ranking Selections Summary Report has been released. It is available at http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43153 (http://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/43153)
The following at-large teams are the first 14 teams selected by the NPI rankings to the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Championship. Congratulations on making the field! The previous post already listed the last 7 into the field and the first 7 out.
First 14 at-large teams selected into the field through NPI rankings.
1.) #10-- UW-Oshkosh-- 63.564
2.) #14-- Johns Hopkins-- 61.731
3.) #15-- Catholic-- 61.406
4.) #16-- Ohio Wesleyan-- 61.382
5.) #18-- Carnegie Mellon-- 61.309
6.) #19-- Bethel-- 61.285
7.) #21-- Trine-- 61.254
8.) #23-- UW-Stout-- 60.768
9.) #24-- Elizabethtown-- 60.736
10.) #25-- Western New England-- 60.274
11.) #26-- Colorado College-- 60.065
12.) #27-- Washington and Lee-- 59.990
13.) #32-- Amherst-- 59.226
14.) #33-- Merchant Marine-- 59.116
I count 5 Pool C's in the Sweet 16:
#10 UW-Oshkosh
#14 JHU
#16 Ohio Wesleyan
#23 UW-Stout
#35 McMurry (a #9 seed)
I think that McMurry can be grateful for the geographical proximity/isolation that set up the ETBU pod and cobbled travel orphans together.
Corrections appreciated.
Only SUNY-Geneseo, a #13, was a lower seed.