Any news on returning players in the conference or impact players entering?
Nothing like a convo with yourself. D1 Binghamton transfer Lious Karris a Xaverian graduate has trasnferred to the CUNY.
Is it true that the backcourt of JohnJay will not be returning this year? speaking of Tim White Sg and Sharod Tomlinson Pg. These two guys provided leadership and scoring that got the bloodhounds to the Semi-finals along with Palma. How is John Jay going to replace these two guys? Being a loyal fan of John Jay basketball. I have confidence in the coaching staff that they will be back on top this season.
It appears that way. Sharod provided tremendous leadership for the team last year. Any team will miss someone that looses a shooter like Tim White. I think he finished last year 53% from 3. I guess you have to find other ways to win because some guys might be irreplacable. We are doing our best. Thank you.
In case anyone was wondering. Polls from the CUNY are as follows.
Baruch 22.78
Brooklyn 8.86%
CCNY 7.59%
Hunter 8.86%
John Jay 7.59%
Lehman 10.13%
Medgar Evers 10.13%
City Tech 12.66%
Staten Island 5.06%
York 6.33%
What's Baruch's team like this year?
Baruch had a disappointing season last year but may very well be the best team in CUNY this year. The Bearcats have three seniors in the starting lineup and have added Louie Karis, a talented D1 transfer from SUNY-Binghamton as well as Robi Davidson, a JUCO import from California.
Baruch is well-coached and has quite a few solid outside shooters. The Bearcats' primary weakness is a lack of size, which will probably hurt them off the boards when they play bigger teams.
Thanks Rhodes and Mike - I will be attending the TCNJ/Baruch game on Saturday. I read a couple of game summary reports on Baruch and it seems as both of your analysis are correct. Looks as if the top two teams from the CUNY and NJAC will be going head to head on Sat.
Baruch looked very good in beating John Jay last night, 74-49. Louie Karis is one of the best players in the conference. He's an excellent outside shooter, solid in the open court and he can take it to the basket as well. Cheick Fadika put in a solid effort, revealing a softer touch around the basket than I had previously seen. In addition, Chris Alesi is playing better than last year: He's demonstrated good leadership and he's been more accurate from the outside. Plus, he's been effective when he drives to the hoop.
John Jay was down by only six at the half, but they completely collapsed about midway through the second half. In addition, the game program listed 15 or 16 players on the John Jay roster (I forget the exact number), but only 9 players dressed for the Bloodhounds.
hey Rhode Scholar who would you say look good for john jay are there any bright spots for them. What teams in cuny do you guys think made great additions to their line ups this off season???
John Jay did not impress me. I think they'll be a middle-of-the-pack team in CUNY this year. Tomlinson and Polanco are both good players, but none of the newcomers looked that good against Baruch.
The season has just started but it looks like Baruch, NYC Tech, CSI and Lehman are the best teams. So far I've only seen Baruch, John Jay and Hunter, and Baruch is clearly the best of those three teams.
With all the teams on break for finals coming to an end, What are some big games to watch for? Where there any players added to any teams?
Regarding new additions CUNYAC observers will certainly be keeping an eye on John Jay, but I don't know what teams--if any--have added, or are going to add, new players.
At this point, Staten Island, NYC Tech and Baruch are the top teams in the conference, with Lehman close behind.
Three Upcoming Prime-Time CUNYAC Matchups:
1/8 Baruch @ Lehman
1/12 Staten Island @ NYC Tech
1/17 Baruch @ NYC Tech
Has anyone seen any CUNY games in the year 2005? Whats going on with the team everyone was watching after this semester break, The bloodhounds of John Jay? Also who are the top guns of the league?
Staten Island, New York City Tech and Lehman are the top teams this year followed by Baruch. All of the top teams are about equal with no clear-cut standout.
Some of the league's top players are Staten Island point guard Michael Stewart, City Tech center Shacun Malave, Lehman center Shakani Francis and Baruch guard Louie Karis.
John Jay is not only much weaker than they were last year, they're weaker than they were at the beginning of this year. The Bloodhounds haven't added any impact players up to this point*, but they did lose Jon Polanco and James Clark.
* It's still possible new players may materialize, but as of yesterday none have.
(Message edited by rhodes on January 18, 2005)
(Message edited by rhodes on January 18, 2005)
With the season coming to a close what might the playoff match ups look like?
Who's the team to watch out for?
Baruch did lose to John Jay this past weekend. Without their floor leader Sharod Tomlinson. Who sat out with five staples in his head.
York Also beat CSI a week ago.
Might we be looking at a repeat of last years title game?
D3hoops Fan's (Poster's) Top 25 Poll next year?
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I watched the Kings @ Baruch game yesterday. The Bearcats came away with an 81-77 victory. It was the 300th career win for Baruch coach Ray Rankis.
Kings was an NCAA tournament team last year, but they don't appear to be nearly as good this year. Nonetheless it was a nice come-from-behind victory for Baruch.
The Bearcats are a well-coached team who rely on a combination of youth and experience. Seniors Louie Karis and Robi Davidson are both excellent outside shooters. Newcomers Carl Emengo and Chris Williams provide athleticism and quickness in the backcourt. Cheick Fadika can run the court, rebound and block shots. Freshman George Kunkel is a very aggressive, hard-nosed power forward who led the CHSAA in rebounding last year at Molloy. Anwar Baptiste must be more consistent than in the past and backup center Phil Schatz will get some minutes this year as well.
How does the rest of CUNY look like? I really like the way Baruch look.
JDub: Baruch does indeed look good, but the season has just started so I haven't seen any other CUNY team play. I would imagine that Staten Island and Lehman will be pretty tough. The loss of Malave and Senior will surely hurt City Tech and they could fall to the middle of the pack with York. CCNY is a question mark. Brooklyn, Medgar Evers, Hunter and John Jay will probably struggle.
I took in Baruch's 90-58 victory over Hunter last night. Hunter was quasi-competitive until midway through the second half when Baruch blew the game wide open. Hunter hustled from the start but their lack of talent made the outcome a foregone conclusion. Baruch is more athletic than in previous years, but a lack of size may hurt them down the road. Nonetheless, they appear to be the team to beat in CUNY this year.
Hunter, under first-year coach Nick Plevritis, will certainly struggle. The Hawks simply lack the weapons to be a factor this year. They look like they'll be about as good as they were last year.
I watched Baruch edge CCNY, 61-58, last night. The game was close from the opening tip and could have gone either way. CCNY had a number of opportunities to win it, but made a couple of crucial mistakes down the stretch.
Baruch was led by Robi Davidson's 15 points and got a solid effort from Anwar Baptiste as well. At this juncture, it looks like Baruch is the team to beat in CUNY. Both Chris Williams and Carl Emengo have had subpar outings the last two times I've seen them. The latter may be injured.
City is a solid team by CUNY standards. The Beavers are capable of beating any team in the conference. They have size and quickness, but could use a couple of more shooters. Kevin Lowe is tough down low and Steve Souma can score. James Boddie is one of the quickest guards in the conference and Robert Barker is an athletic big man.
Barcuh looks strong they put together a big win Sat. against Poly Tech 103-53. How does the rest of CUNY look?
Baruch looked good in their 74-66 road victory over York yesterday. Both teams were undefeated in conference play (4-0) heading into last night's contest. The game was very close until about midway through the second half when Baruch began to open up some breathing room. Louie Karis and Robi Davidson were the high scorers for the Bearcats. Jeffery Boone led the way for York.
Baruch is probably the team to beat in CUNY this year. They have some good athletes, some good shooters, a decent bench and are well-coached. Karis could be the best player in the conference and George Kunkel might be the best freshman.
York's top players are Boone, Shayne Smith, Rey Mohamed and Kwesi Liverpool. The Cardinals are athletic and aggressive, but they're a little undersized and not that deep.
Last night I saw Baruch remain undefeated in conference play with a 75-56 home court victory over New York City Tech. Baruch led all the way and the game was never in doubt. Louie Karis and Robi Davidson were the high scorers for the victors.
NYC Tech is struggling this year. They have quickness and athleticism, but they're very small and have little depth. Their top player is Otis Saylee, who is one of the better players in the conference although he's playing out of position at small forward. Another bright spot is freshman guard Jamaal Hall, a very versatile and talented player who has the potential to be an all-conference performer.
I didn't see the game, but Baruch beat Staten Island 80-62 last night. The Bearcats are 7-0 in conference play and 15-3 overall. Two of their three defeats were against D2 opponents. Their lone D3 loss was to Kings Point. Next up for Baruch is Medgar Evers, followed by a nonconference matchup against William Paterson, which will be the best D3 team Baruch will face this year in the regular season.
How do you think Baruch will match up against that WPU defense. does Baruch have players that can break the press?
Quote from: knightstalker on January 19, 2006, 12:11:36 PM
How do you think Baruch will match up against that WPU defense. does Baruch have players that can break the press?
It will be interesting to see how Baruch handles WPU's aggressive defense. The Pioneers completely shut down CCNY earlier in the season. Baruch is quicker and more athletic this year than they have been in the past. They have a couple of very quick guards and some very good three-point shooters on the wings. Plus they have a lot of experience and good chemistry. Nonetheless, WPU is the clear favorite.
WOW! Baruch beat WPU can't call it an upset because I think Baruch is just as good as WPU and they showed it, at one point they was up 18 against a very good WPU team. Baruch played hard from beginning to the end big win.
Quote from: JDub on January 24, 2006, 11:07:44 AM
WOW! Baruch beat WPU can't call it an upset because I think Baruch is just as good as WPU and they showed it, at one point they was up 18 against a very good WPU team. Baruch played hard from beginning to the end big win.
I'd have to say that WPU was the favorite going into the game, but Baruch demonstrated that they not only could play with a top NJAC team, but actually beat one. This doesn't happen too often. This Baruch team may be the best CUNYAC team since the 1998 Hunter team.
A few observations:
Baruch (8-0) is clearly the class of the CUNYAC. They're undefeated in conference play and have only one loss this year against D3 competition. Even though the CUNYAC is not the strongest conference--and I believe it's probably weaker this year than it usually is--it's not easy running the table. But this year's Baruch team has a very good shot of doing just that.
York (7-2) is probably the second-best team. They are athletic and aggressive, with a good coach. They were competitive against Baruch and lost at CCNY. They won at Staten Island and beat Lehman. They recently took visiting Ramapo to double OT before losing.
CCNY (6-2) is number three. They have some good athletes and a little size. A big problem is a lack of depth. The Beavers gave Baruch their toughest game of the year, and they beat York and Staten Island.
Staten Island (6-3) is much weaker than usual. I haven't seen them play, but this might be the weakest CSI team in the last decade--I'm not including the team about three years ago when Petosa took the year off.
Lehman (5-4) is having a down year. They returned Sekani Francis, but they're still middle of the pack. This is Schulman's weakest team in the last four years.
NYC Tech (4-4) took a big hit by losing Malave and Senior. Their best players are Otis Saylee and freshman Jamaal Hall. The Yellowjackets lack size and depth.
Medgar Evers (2-7) is not a very stable program and has had numerous coaching changes as of late.
John Jay (3-5) is struggling this year, but has a first-year coach, Charles Jackson, who has had success on the junior college level.
Hunter (1-9) also has a first-year coach in Nick Plevritis. This team hasn't been competitive for three years.
Brooklyn (1-7) hasn't been good since Prohibition.
I hear Hunter is getting a transfer point guard from Tufts which is a solid program in The NESCAC- which has come to be known as the D3 ACC. Hopefully, Dason, I think is his name can make an impact right away for Coach Plevritis and take this team well above the .500 mark. Hunter as of now has won four games the past two seasons with a ridiculous amount of losses (41). Sheesh!! Lets hope for a greater CUNY division next year.
You really shouldn't promote yourself, it doesn't look good and many coaches take exception to it.
Well obviously I am not promoting myself because I do not play basketball. He is my cousin and he mentioned something about it. Lets hope he comes back to NY because I don't think he likes Boston all that much.
Quote from: qbsfinest on January 27, 2006, 02:12:47 AM
I hear Hunter is getting a transfer point guard from Tufts which is a solid program in The NESCAC- which has come to be known as the D3 ACC. Hopefully, Dason, I think is his name can make an impact right away for Coach Plevritis and take this team well above the .500 mark. Hunter as of now has won four games the past two seasons with a ridiculous amount of losses (41). Sheesh!! Lets hope for a greater CUNY division next year.
Quote from: qbsfinest on January 27, 2006, 12:12:30 PM
Well obviously I am not promoting myself because I do not play basketball. He is my cousin and he mentioned something about it. Lets hope he comes back to NY because I don't think he likes Boston all that much.
Let me get this straight: He's your cousin, but you are not sure of his name?
You say is name is Dacson or something and your name is Dason and you are using a tufts email address and your cousin is transferring from Tufts to Hunter? That is a strange transfer.
his name is Dacson but didnt want to really give it away cuz not sure if he is definitely goin. yes i am using his email address as well. he mentioned it to me and it is a strange transfer but what can i say if he wants to go back to NY then i guess thats his business. Not really sure the reason behind the transfer but he mentioned goin to York College. I might be a bit late tho. think he might have went to york college already. we will see what happens.
by the way who do u guys think will win the CUNY conference this year. I like Baruch's athleticism and depth and the fact that they have only lost to one D3 team but i feel like they lack the talent to proceed far into the NCAA tournament if they indeed win the CUNY. And can i get some rankings as to the best conferences in the country as you guys might know them. Im really into basketball with all my family members being a part of some conference D2-D3.
Go to the multi-region page, there are several pages in their that are on a more national base. Go to the rooms in the other regions and introduce yourself and ask about the conferences.
The usual list of the best conferences in Division III includes the WIAC, CCIW, OAC in that order. This year the WIAC is a little down and the CCIW has been ultra-competitive. The UAA is having a good year also.
Some years the NJAC has been in the conversation but the league has not been talked of in that light much recently. The CUNYAC is never in the conversation of best conferences in Division III, however.
I think Baruch has the talent to win a couple of games in the tournment they have already beaten 3 tournment teams this year. Williams Paterson, Kings College, and SUNY Farmingdale are all very good teams from what I heard.
Quote from: JDub on January 30, 2006, 09:04:11 AM
I think Baruch has the talent to win a couple of games in the tournment they have already beaten 3 tournment teams this year. Williams Paterson, Kings College, and SUNY Farmingdale are all very good teams from what I heard.
Baruch should not think about the NCAA tournament right now. They should focus on their game Wednesday at CCNY, a team that gave them a lot of trouble earlier in the season.
Quote from: JDub on January 30, 2006, 09:04:11 AM
I think Baruch has the talent to win a couple of games in the tournment they have already beaten 3 tournment teams this year. Williams Paterson, Kings College, and SUNY Farmingdale are all very good teams from what I heard.
Very good teams? Perhaps. Great teams? Not a chance.
Two brief comments:
It looks like Tim Hepworth, a reserve freshman point guard, is no longer on Baruch's roster. Hepworth, out of CHSAA power Xavierian, is a good outside shooter with solid ballhandling skills. Although Hepworth is gone, the Bearcats did add sophomore Laurence Smith, a 6-3 swingman out of Frederick Douglas. Smith is a good athlete who will be expected to contribute right away.
Last night, Staten Island won their third straight game crushing King's Point, 89-54. Maybe CSI is getting it together as we enter the home stretch. By the way, Kings Point is the only D3 team to beat Baruch this year. The Mariners beat the Bearcats, 76-73, on Dec. 13, at Kings Point.
Today's marquee CUNYAC matchup features Baruch (9-0) at CCNY (6-3). The visitors come into the game riding an eight-game win streak and have managed to generate a fair amount of interest and excitement because of their 18-3 record (18-1 vs. D3 foes).
These two teams met earlier this year on Dec. 8, 2005, at Baruch. The Bearcats prevailed, 61-58, in a very competitive contest that featured numerous lead changes and went down to the final seconds.
Another win for the Bearcats.
I saw Baruch defeat CCNY, 63-60, last night. It was a sloppily played game that could have gone either way, but the Bearcats managed to prevail and pick up the road victory.
The Beavers got off to a fast start and lead 15-6. Baruch then went on a 10-0 run to take their first lead of the game, 16-15. City then forged ahead once again, only to falter late in the first half. Baruch went into the locker room with a 34-27 advantage.
The Bearcats got out of the gate very slowly in the second half, which allowed CCNY to regain the lead, 42-40, on a three-pointer by Steve Souma. City increased the lead to six, 49-43, but Baruch fought back to tie the game at 49 with about eight minutes remaining. From this point forward neither team could open up more than a three-point edge, and the lead seesawed back and forth.
CCNY led 60-59, with 1:16 remaining, after Ken Richards hit two free throws, but Baruch scored the next four points on a pair of free throws by Louie Karis and a driving layup by Chris Williams. The Beavers had a chance to tie the game in the closing seconds, but a three-pointer by James Boddie bounced off the rim.
Baruch moves to 10-0 in conference play with the victory, while CCNY drops to 6-4. Karis was the high man for Baruch with 28 points, and Boddie led the Beavers with 19 points.
A couple of observations on last night's Baruch @ CCNY game:
For the second time this year, Baruch had their hands full with CCNY. Although Baruch is quicker and more athletic this year than usual, they did seem to have problems with City's quickness.
At times Baruch used their center, Cheick Fadika, to defend against CCNY guard James Boddie, who is probably the quickest player in the conference. It's not too often that a center matches up defensively with a guard.
CCNY did an excellent job defending Baruch's Robi Davidson, who is a deadly long-range shooter. The Beavers refused to let him get an open look the entire game.
Once again Louie Karis had a very solid game for Baruch. He shot very well from the outside, and he did not force the issue. Chris Williams made a couple of big plays for the Bearcats down the stretch.
CCNY is quick and athletic, but they're very inconsistent. When they show up to play and get a few breaks they can be tough to beat. They could use a low-post scorer and a bit more bulk. James Boddie is one of the better players in the conference, but he's somewhat erratic. Steve Souma is a versatile scorer. Robert Barker is a pretty good big man, but he's playing injured.
I saw Baruch win at home over John Jay, 72-50, yesterday afternoon. John Jay got out to an early lead and hung tough throughout the entire first half, trailing by only seven, 30-23, at the intermission. Unfortunately for the Bloodhounds, Baruch got going in the second half and broke the game wide open.
Once again the Bearcats were led by their trio of seniors: Louie Karis and Robi Davidson both finished with 17 points each, and Cheick Fadika added 15 points. Chris Williams came off the bench to give the team a lift on both ends of the court, and power forward George Kunkel did a good job on the boards.
It was my first look at John Jay this year, and it was pretty much what I expected. The team hustles and gives a pretty good effort, but they are clearly short on talent. It looks like Aramis Ramos and Hakeem Kased are the Bloodhounds' best players. They also have quite a few young players: there's a total of ten freshmen and sophomores on the roster. Of the underclassmen, Alex Valerio and Godfrey Mascall turned in the best performances.
With the victory, Baruch moves to 11-0 in conference play. Next up for the Bearcats is a home game against Hunter on Wednesday evening. The Hawks are coming off an upset victory over CCNY on Friday.
For the first time since 1998, when Hunter went to the Elite Eight, the CUNYAC has a team that is pretty much head and shoulders above everyone else in the conference. In the CUNYAC this type of dominance is rare. Usually there are three or sometimes four teams that are more or less equal. Not so this year. Baruch is #1 hands down and there is quite a bit of distance between them and the rest of the field.
Here are some of the reasons for Baruch's success this year:
1) Baruch has three very good seniors. Louie Karis is probably the conference MVP. Cheick Fadika is an all-conference player. Robi Davidson is the best three-point shooter in the conference.
2) Baruch is quicker and more athletic than in the past. The addition of Carl Emengo and Chris Williams, coupled with Fadika, gives Baruch far more quickness than they usually have.
3) Freshman George Kunkel has given the Bearcats a big boost coming off the bench. Kunkel is an excellent rebounder and a hard-nosed defender.
4) Baruch has solid coaching and good team chemistry, and they play with maturity and confidence.
I saw Baruch pick up a home-court victory over Hunter, 107-81, last night. The Hawks came out with good intensity and were competitive in the first half. Although they didn't play great defense, they shot the ball well and didn't have many turnovers. They went into the locker room down by only seven, 49-42.
The second half was not a good one for Hunter. Baruch continued to shoot the ball well, while Hunter began to misfire and turn the ball over with greater frequency. After five minutes of play the Bearcats' lead was up to 16, and Hunter was never able to recover.
Once again Baruch's trio of seniors led the way. Cheick Fadika was high scorer with 23 points, followed by Robi Davidson with 21 points and Louie Karis with 18 points. Hunter was led by Naeem Mahmood with 23 points.
With the victory Baruch moves to 12-0 in conference play. Their final regular season game is Saturday at Lehman.
Some comments on last night's Hunter @ Baruch game:
Cheick Fadika has steadily improved since coming to Baruch. This is by far his best season. He could always run the floor and block shots, but he's become a very well-rounded player. He is physically stronger and has improved his inside and midrange game. Plus, he's developed a decent outside touch. He's now one of the top players in the CUNYAC.
Once again Baruch exhibited crisp passing and solid shooting. They didn't take bad shots, force the issue, or make a lot of mental errors. Their role players played well (especially Baptiste), and their bench contributed. All in all a solid overall performance, albeit against a rather poor opponent.
What's the story with Hunter? In 1998 they went to the Elite Eight with Braheen Cotton, George Brown and Troy Battle (all one-year players). The next year a truckload of new players came in, but the team never developed any chemistry and at season's end Mike Brown headed to Fordham as an assistant. Bill Healy took over and had some pretty good players throughout his tenure--Greg Hardin, Darryl Munroe, Lorcan Precious, and Ricardo Riemers to name a few--but he could never get them back on track. They were competitive but they lost far too many close games. And in the past two years, they've become simply awful. Let's see if Nick Plevritis can right the ship. It's certainly not going to be easy.
The big CUNYAC game this weekend pits Baruch at Lehman. If the Bearcats win this Saturday, they will close out the regular season with a perfect 13-0 conference mark.
These two teams met earlier in the season at Baruch. The Bearcats prevailed, 73-70, when Louie Karis nailed a 30-foot jumper with less than a second remaining on the clock. This was a game that Baruch could very well have lost. The Bearcats trailed by as many as 15 points in the second half, but they fought back and managed to pull out the victory.
I saw Lehman pick up a big home-court victory over Baruch, 90-73, yesterday afternoon. Baruch led at the half and was up by 12 points early in the second half when the tide began to turn in Lehman's favor. The game was tied at 62 with 8:42 remaining, at which point the Lightning took complete control of the game. Down the stretch Lehman continually made big shots, while the Bearcats went ice cold.
Baruch was horrible on both ends of the court during crunch time. They were repeatedly burned by Sekani Francis, Willy Vargas and Kyle Lockett, who were hitting shots from all over the floor. And on the offensive end the Bearcats missed a ton of open threes, which allowed Lehman to break the game wide open.
This was the worst game I've seen Baruch play this year. They were a step slow on defense and shot the ball poorly. They looked vulnerable against a quick and athletic team. Plus, they had tons of trouble with Francis, who is a dominant big man.
Rhodes:
I really appreciate your updates on the CUNYAC teams.
In your view, did Lehman exploit a particular weakness of Baruch's or was it just an "off night" for the Bearcats?
Quote from: gordonmann on February 12, 2006, 08:51:11 PM
Rhodes:
I really appreciate your updates on the CUNYAC teams.
In your view, did Lehman exploit a particular weakness of Baruch's or was it just an "off night" for the Bearcats?
gordon: I think it was a combination of both. Lehman had an edge in quickness and athleticism and they took advantage of it. On offense they were effective when they ran the ball and played up-tempo. On defense their quickness allowed them to harass Baruch's guards and also enabled them to cheat and double-team. In addition, Lehman took advantage of Baruch's lack of size. Of course, having a center like Sekani Francis makes that a whole lot easier.
And while Lehman did win the game decisively, Baruch contributed to their own demise by playing poorly. I think it's fair to say that they did have an "off night." They had a pretty fair number of open looks from long range that they simply missed. Usually, they would make many of those shots. Plus, they lacked intensity and were not as well-prepared emotionally as Lehman was for the game.
2006 CUNYAC Tournament at Staten Island
Schedule for Saturday, Feb. 18
Noon -- #1 Baruch vs. #8 Medgar Evers
2:15 pm -- #4 Lehman vs. # 5 City Tech
4:45 pm -- #3 York vs. #6 CCNY
7:00 pm -- #2 CSI vs. #7 John Jay
All:
I'd be very interested in comments about the quality of CUNY basketball, particularly John Jay, as to coaching, facilities, etc. I know JJ had a weak year, but do they have a chance for an upswing? How is their roster?
My son has an interest in transferring there from a California JC.
Thanks.
CUNY had an up and down year this year Baruch dominated the conference but other schools like Lehman, York, and Staten Island had a ok year. John Jay in my option is in need of help with players and staff from what I've seen. They have not had a good team in 2 years.
Is your son majoring in Criminal Justice or Fire Science? If so, another top school for those programs is NJCU in the NJAC. Worth checking out possibly.
Quote from: mully on February 15, 2006, 06:44:34 PM
All:
I'd be very interested in comments about the quality of CUNY basketball, particularly John Jay, as to coaching, facilities, etc. I know JJ had a weak year, but do they have a chance for an upswing? How is their roster?
My son has an interest in transferring there from a California JC.
Thanks.
As a rule, the CUNYAC is one of the weaker conferences in the country. John Jay has a new coach, Charles Jackson, who is also the Assistant Athletic Director. This is his first year at John Jay, but he has had success on the junior college level. I would expect him to stick around for a while and I think he'll bring some stability to the program. They have one of the youngest teams in the conference. I don't know anything about their weight room, but their gym is old and one of the smallest in the conference. You can look over their website and e-mail the athletic department for more information.
As Knightstalker pointed out, John Jay is known for its undergraduate major in criminal justice. If your son is interested in law enforcement, forensics or fire science, John Jay would be a good school to look at.
Here's how the CUNYAC fared against out-of-conference foes:
Overall the conference was 37-82. If you take out Baruch's two losses against D2 teams and CCNY's two losses against D1 teams then the record improves to 37-78. In the Atlantic region, the CUNYAC was 1-16 vs. the NJAC and 16-26 vs. the Skyline.
2006 CUNYAC Tournament Matchups (Conference records in parentheses)
Baruch (12-1) vs. Medgar Evers (5-8)
These teams met at Baruch in January, with the Bearcats prevailing, 83-76. Medgar has won four straight games, including a win over #2 seed Staten Island. Baruch, which is coming off a loss at Lehman, has not lost back-to-back games this season.
Lehman (9-4) vs. NYC Tech (7-6)
These teams played a regular season game at City Tech, with the Yellow Jackets winning, 80-77, in double overtime. Since that game, Lehman has gone 5-1 vs. CUNYAC teams. Lehman has been playing well lately and has a significant edge in size. Plus, all of City Tech's wins, apart from their victory over Lehman, have come against the conference's weaker teams.
York (9-4) vs. CCNY (6-7)
City won their regular season meeting, 72-62, at home. The Beavers started out at 6-2 in conference play, but have lost five straight games. York started out 4-0 in CUNYAC play, but has since leveled off. These are two of the conference's more athletic teams.
Staten Island (9-4) vs. John Jay (5-8)
The Dolphins beat John Jay, 56-53, at CSI earlier this year. John Jay started out 0-5 in the conference, but has gone 5-3 over their last eight. CSI has more experience and the home court advantage.
Many thanks for your responses to my question above. My kid has a real interest in firefighting - but also hoops and baseball. JJ seems like a good fit, but he is also thinking about a JC out here, Santa Ana College, that offers the same thing and then he would transfer for a 4 year degree.
Might JJ have an interest in a 6'5" grayshirt?
Any comments about the baseball programs at CUNY?
Hope your teams win and thanks again.
Hi all. I'm new to this board. I just want to say that karma is good.
Staten Island lost to John Jay today.
Now maybe those trashtalking punks will know their place. Season OVER!!!
Later Dolphins!
Oh yeah, nice job CSI coach Petosa. Underachiever of the year honors are yours! Enjoy!
Get some class and maybe the karma will change... until then though chew on this loss awhile!
Quote from: bro on February 18, 2006, 03:00:18 PM
Hi all. I'm new to this board. I just want to say that karma is good.
Hmm... guess yours is already at minus-2 for a reason then. What did he do, spit on your Mercedes?
CUNYAC Quarterfinal Results
Baruch 88, Medgar Evers 86 (OT)
John Jay 61, Staten Island 58
Lehman 62, NYC Tech 58 (OT)
York 69, CCNY 60
Tonight's CUNYAC Semifinal Matchups:
Baruch vs. Lehman
Both teams advanced to the semifinals with overtime victories in the opening round. Baruch beat Medgar Evers and Lehman beat New York City Tech. Baruch and Lehman met twice during the regular season. Baruch won the first game, 73-70, at Baruch. Lehman won the second game going away, 90-73, at Lehman. Baruch has better shooters and more experience. Lehman has a size advantage and more quickness. Baruch is the favorite, but Lehman is quite capable of beating them once again.
York vs. John Jay
In order to get to the semifinals York beat CCNY, while John Jay upset Staten Island. York beat John Jay in Jamaica, 82-66, during the regular season. John Jay is the only lower seed that won their quarterfinal game, and they're the only remaining team that had a losing record in conference play. York has more talent and experience, and they're the clear favorite in this game.
York and Baruch Friday night for the CUNY conference championship. Any takes on this game? I say Baruch by 10 but Im hoping my boys at York can pull of the upset.
To the gentleman whose son may be interested in John Jay College -
As you already know JJC is tops in the nation for Criminal Justice; as for sports, basketball has struggled lately but are on the right path with their new coach Charles Jackson. He just concluded his first year and struggled, but knowing him he will be very good as early as next year...the baseball program is traditionally one of the best in the league along with the College of Staten Island, with a real good coach. Just to be clear neither program is national caliber, but both have very good potential.
PS - Facilities are OK, considering the school is in the middle of the city. They are not vast, but certainly in very good shape.
This in response to the gentleman who has interest in John Jay College and our Athletic Programs. This is Charles Jackson, Assistant Athletic Director and Head Men's Basketball Coach. I can be reached at 212-237-8395 or at charlesj@jjay.cuny.edu I would be happy to talk to you about John Jay College and the future of our athletic program. Thanks.
Tonight's CUNYAC Championship Game
#1 Baruch vs. #3 York
These teams met once during the regular season, with Baruch winning at York, 74-66. The game was very close until Baruch opened up some breathing room midway through the second half. Baruch was led by Louie Karis with 21 points and Robi Davidson added 18 points. York was paced by Jeffrey Boone, who scored 16 points.
Including CUNYAC tournament games, Baruch is 14-1 against conference foes. The Bearcats won their first 12 conference games this year before losing their final regular season game to Lehman. They have not lost back-to-back games this year.
York is now 11-4 against CUNYAC teams. The Cardinals are currently on a four-game in-conference win streak, which is their longest of the year. Their longest losing streak was three games (all against out-of-conference teams). They did not lose back-to-back games against CUNYAC teams this year.
Baruch has better outside shooters and a slight size advantage. York has an edge in quickness. Experience and depth are about equal. Both teams have veteran coaches.
York beat Baruch last night, 72-62, to win the CUNYAC championship. I watched the game on television. It was a pretty sloppily played game. Baruch was a bit tight at the start of the game and really never got into a good rhythm. York was more intense and focused. The Cardinals were better prepared and were quite able to stave off a couple of Baruch comebacks.
York got very good efforts from Shayne Smith, Jeffrey Boone and Teron Simpson. The Cardinals made some big shots down the stretch and shot well from downtown. They also played very good pressure defense the whole game. They contested every shot and didn't give Baruch's big players a good look at the hoop throughout the entire game.
Baruch seems to have stumbled down the stretch. They lost their final game of the regular season to Lehman. Then they survived a big scare from Medgar Evers, winning in overtime. And last night they were simply outplayed by York. Fortunately for the Bearcats, they will have a shot at redemption because it looks like they'll enter the NCAA tournament as a Pool C team.
ECAC Selections (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
The CUNY's tourney teams will be represented on NCAASports.com's broadcasts in conjunction with D3hoops.com this weekend. Pat Coleman and Dave McHugh will call the York (PA) pod of games while I will be joined by Jody King to call the Baruch pod. Check the scoreboard page for broadcast links.
Here's some information on York's NCAA Opponent--York, PA
Overall record: 24-3
Conference: 12-2
In-region: 22-3
Conference: Capital Athletic Conference
Won the regular season title. Lost to Salisbury in the semifinals of the conference tournament. Received a Pool C bid.
Longest winning streaks: Eight and 11 games. Did not lose back-to-back games this year.
All three losses were by two points. Lost twice to Salisbury (15-13) and Catholic (21-6).
D3Hoops.com ranking: 9
Massey ranking: 29
Here's some information on Baruch's NCAA Opponent--Villa Julie
Overal record: 19-8
Conference: 12-4
In-region: 17-4
Conference: North Eastern Athletic Conference
Finished third in the regular season. Lost to Keystone in the conference championship game. Received a Pool B bid.
Longest winning streaks: Four and seven games.
Longest losing streak: Three games.
Best wins: Johns Hopkins (home) and Kean (home).
Massey ranking: 220
Any thoughts on how York (N.Y.) matches up against York (P.A.) Is it possible for them to upset the York of Pennsylvania or will this one be a blow out?
Quote from: qbsfinest on March 01, 2006, 12:00:04 PM
Any thoughts on how York (N.Y.) matches up against York (P.A.) Is it possible for them to upset the York of Pennsylvania or will this one be a blow out?
I'm seeing York PA with probably a blow out. They have consistenly been a top 10 team throughout the year. Since reaching the Final 4 last year, they have kept many of their core players together - Fass, Zerfing, etc.
I've seen them play only once this year - the game at Catholic. They happened to lose a close one in overtime but they seem like a good team that should have relatively no trouble at all.
They will win this game. Whether by a blow out or not remains to be seen but frankly that doesn't matter. The team that has the most points wins, regardless of how many points they happen to score. A win by 1 point is just the same as a win by 20. You still get a W in the books...
Quote from: qbsfinest on March 01, 2006, 12:00:04 PM
Any thoughts on how York (N.Y.) matches up against York (P.A.) Is it possible for them to upset the York of Pennsylvania or will this one be a blow out?
I agree with most of what Truck wrote. I haven't seen York, PA play this year, but they're a very big favorite over York, NY. The Cardinals are probably the biggest underdog of all the first-round games. A win by York, NY would likely be the biggest upset in D3 this year.
I don't know about that. York (NY) beating York (PA) would undoubtedly be a huge upset, but I think a Wisconsin Lutheran (14-14) upset over Hope (26-2) in front of 2,000+ screaming Hope fans in their new digs would be perhaps the most monumental upset in D3 tourney history.
Lets hope they both win, then keep on winning so that they meet in the finals. The winner of that game will determine which was the bigger upset with the loser declared winner of the "Biggest Upset of the Tourney" award. Of course if they both did this each subsequent game would be considered the biggest upset of the tournament. ;D
I saw Baruch go down in flames last night against Villa Julie, 86-71. Baruch led 55-52 with 10:28 remaining and then collapsed down the stretch. The Bearcats deserved to lose. The Mustangs were not only the better team last night, they're probably the better team period.
Villa Julie came to play and got the job done during crunch time. They are more athletic and bigger than Baruch. Anthony Fitzgerald is a beast and Kerry Dugan is a pretty good big man. Plus Phillip Williams, Chris Warren and Jason Lambert are all quick and can shoot the ball.
Baruch played very well for most the season but faltered down the stretch. When the games mattered most--the conference championship game and the NCAA tournament game--the Bearcats came up short.
Is there a problem with this page. I have not seen anyone posting anything since March 4th. In any case, caught Hunter/Manhattanville the other night. Great game that came down to the wire. Hunter is not as bad as everyone is taking them for.
I hope the start of the season gets the discussion going. There are some quality players and teams out there - would like to hear more.
I've seen the preseason projections on the cuny website - but anyone have other ideas?
Quote from: xalva66 on November 23, 2006, 02:54:47 PM
Is there a problem with this page. I have not seen anyone posting anything since March 4th. In any case, caught Hunter/Manhattanville the other night. Great game that came down to the wire. Hunter is not as bad as everyone is taking them for.
I DONT KNOW IF YOU WERE WATCHING THE SAME GAME I SAW...WHILE IT WAS EXCITING NEITHER TEAM EXECUTED AND HUNTER WAS LAX ON D, IMPATIENT IN THE HALFCOURT AND NOT VERY WELL COACHED. MY OPINION OF COURSE.
Quote from: BklynBasketball on November 23, 2006, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: xalva66 on November 23, 2006, 02:54:47 PM
Is there a problem with this page. I have not seen anyone posting anything since March 4th. In any case, caught Hunter/Manhattanville the other night. Great game that came down to the wire. Hunter is not as bad as everyone is taking them for.
I DONT KNOW IF YOU WERE WATCHING THE SAME GAME I SAW...WHILE IT WAS EXCITING NEITHER TEAM EXECUTED AND HUNTER WAS LAX ON D, IMPATIENT IN THE HALFCOURT AND NOT VERY WELL COACHED. MY OPINION OF COURSE.
The season is still early and very few teams are crisp on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor. Hunter has a plethora of new players with only 2 returning from last year's team. It takes time for the new faces to mold together. Talentwise they may have two of the best players in the conference.
York is the team to beat this year they are deep and they can play who and the cunyac is ready for them. they beat two rank teams #7 & #17 in the nation you have to be good to do somthing like that oh boy cunyac watch out it might be a walk in the park for york college this yr
York looked very good yesterday against William Paterson. The Cardinals raced out to a big lead in the first half, but the Pioneers fought back to make it a nip-and-tuck affair for most of the second half. When the game was on the line, however, York took control. WPU failed to execute down the stretch and York won going away, 65-56.
York is led by senior swingman Jeffrey Boone, who can shoot outside and take it to the basket; senior power forward Dennis Echols, a transfer from Staten Island, who can score and rebound; and junior Mike Salamanca, a savvy point guard from Hostos Community College who helped lead the Caimans to a national championship in 2005. Salamanca also helped Cardoza win the PSAL title in high school.
York is 2-0 with both victories coming against top 25 teams. Even though these games involved preseason rankings, it is still an impressive achievement.
The big local game tonight is NYU @ York. The Violets are 3-0 and a solid team. A win by York will pretty much establish that the Cardinals are for real. NYU has an edge in size, while York has the better athletes.
I didn't see last night's game, but it sounds like NYU easily defeated York. After two very impressive wins, the Cardinals were dealt a very stinging defeat. The Violets won going away 56-36 in Jamaica.
BTW, York received 64 votes in the Week 1 poll, which was good for a #26 ranking. I'm pretty sure that's the highest ranking a CUNYAC team has ever achieved in the history of the poll.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 04, 2006, 12:52:07 PM
I saw Baruch go down in flames last night against Villa Julie, 86-71. Baruch led 55-52 with 10:28 remaining and then collapsed down the stretch. The Bearcats deserved to lose. The Mustangs were not only the better team last night, they're probably the better team period.
Villa Julie came to play and got the job done during crunch time. They are more athletic and bigger than Baruch. Anthony Fitzgerald is a beast and Kerry Dugan is a pretty good big man. Plus Phillip Williams, Chris Warren and Jason Lambert are all quick and can shoot the ball.
Baruch played very well for most the season but faltered down the stretch. When the games mattered most--the conference championship game and the NCAA tournament game--the Bearcats came up short.
anybody want to fill me in on Baruch in 06-07?
Well York Fell to NYU i guess size does make a diiference but from the score i think that york had a bad game and NYU caught them on a bad day i like to see what happens if they where to play again i still think york is a real team and still gonna make alot of noise on the nations top 25 poll get the win against Rutgers Newark it york is still gonna be ok
Quote from: leroy on November 28, 2006, 09:45:49 PM
anybody want to fill me in on Baruch in 06-07?
Baruch is 2-0 this year. The Bearcats lost their three top scorers from last year's team. I haven't seen them play yet, but I will post my observations once I see them.
Whats going on with york they loss another tough one last night but they should not worry to much they play one of the hardest sch in the nation and it gonna make them a better team come jan. Alos in the two losses i see that echols have been see the ball alot the coach need to tell his team to feed this kid the ball when he touch he makes good things happen. you what he did the first two games make sure Echols get his touches and i promise you that york will be better off but nice game from Boone last night boone and echols are the go to guys on this team let them take you to the promise land.
Quote from: TheBeast on November 30, 2006, 01:22:12 PM
Whats going on with york they loss another tough one last night but they should not worry to much they play one of the hardest sch in the nation and it gonna make them a better team come jan. Alos in the two losses i see that echols have been see the ball alot the coach need to tell his team to feed this kid the ball when he touch he makes good things happen. you what he did the first two games make sure Echols get his touches and i promise you that york will be better off but nice game from Boone last night boone and echols are the go to guys on this team let them take you to the promise land.
I saw last night's York @ Rutgers-Newark game. Echols did nothing in the first half, but had an OK second half. Boone put in an outstanding effort, but he didn't get the support needed to pick up the victory. The Cardinals are a little weak in the depth department and were clearly slower and less athletic than the Scarlet Raiders.
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The season is still early and very few teams are crisp on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor. Hunter has a plethora of new players with only 2 returning from last year's team. It takes time for the new faces to mold together. Talentwise they may have two of the best players in the conference.
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Any reports on the Hawks last 2 games? From what I heard from an alumni of Hunter they beat Mt St Vincents pretty handily but had to stage a comeback to beat St Joseph's of brooklyn?
Quote from: sixfour on December 02, 2006, 01:51:09 AM
The season is still early and very few teams are crisp on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor. Hunter has a plethora of new players with only 2 returning from last year's team. It takes time for the new faces to mold together. Talentwise they may have two of the best players in the conference.
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Any reports on the Hawks last 2 games? From what I heard from an alumni of Hunter they beat Mt St Vincents pretty handily but had to stage a comeback to beat St Joseph's of brooklyn?
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I went to the St. Joseph's (Brooklyn) @ Hunter game on Friday night. St. Joe's led by as many as 10 points in the second half, but Hunter went on a strong run to go up by 7. The Bears fought back and made it a nailbiter, but clutch free throw shooting gave the Hawks the victory.
Hunter has nine new faces and is far more athletic than in recent years. Their two top players are Chris Bernard, a junior college transfer from Broward County CC, and Chris Garrick, a transfer from Kingsborough CC. Bernard is a lightning quick shooting guard and a streaky outside shooter, while Garrick is a solid all-around player. It looks like Hunter's weaknesses, once again, are a lack of size (and bulk) as well as inconsistent outside shooting.
I see a lot of CUNY action tonight. Going to check out CCNY/Hunter. Expect a good game.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 03, 2006, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: sixfour on December 02, 2006, 01:51:09 AM
The season is still early and very few teams are crisp on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor. Hunter has a plethora of new players with only 2 returning from last year's team. It takes time for the new faces to mold together. Talentwise they may have two of the best players in the conference.
Any reports on the Hawks last 2 games? From what I heard from an alumni of Hunter they beat Mt St Vincents pretty handily but had to stage a comeback to beat St Joseph's of brooklyn?
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I went to the St. Joseph's (Brooklyn) @ Hunter game on Friday night. St. Joe's led by as many as 10 points in the second half, but Hunter went on a strong run to go up by 7. The Bears fought back and made it a nailbiter, but clutch free throw shooting gave the Hawks the victory.
Hunter has nine new faces and is far more athletic than in recent years. Their two top players are Chris Bernard, a junior college transfer from Broward County CC, and Chris Garrick, a transfer from Kingsborough CC. Bernard is a lightning quick shooting guard and a streaky outside shooter, while Garrick is a solid all-around player. It looks like Hunter's weaknesses, once again, are a lack of size (and bulk) as well as inconsistent outside shooting.
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Thanks for that review Rhodes, tough to play without that size in the middle esp in the CUNY.
How about that St Joseph's team any reviews on them? I see they have a couple more CUNY schools on their schedule. Brooklyn and CSI.
sixfour: St. Joseph's of Brooklyn is a well-coached team that hustles and gives a good, solid effort. Three players stood out in the Hunter game: Their center, Chris Olaskiewicz, is tough down low and has a pretty good touch. Ervin Maddox is an extremely quick point guard and Lukasz Cygan is a pretty good all-around player. The Bears were a little better than I expected. They certainly have a good shot at beating Brooklyn.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2006, 05:19:35 PM
sixfour: St. Joseph's of Brooklyn is a well-coached team that hustles and gives a good, solid effort. Three players stood out in the Hunter game: Their center, Chris Olaskiewicz, is tough down low and has a pretty good touch. Ervin Maddox is an extremely quick point guard and Lukasz Cygan is a pretty good all-around player. The Bears were a little better than I expected. They certainly have a good shot at beating Brooklyn.
Rhodes, thanks I will definitely be keeping an eye on the schedules of brooklyn and csi to see how this team does against them...why is a school like st joseph's not in a local conference if they can obviously comptete?
Anyone see any CUNY games last night. I saw Hunter convincingly beat CCNY. Any other games worth mentioning.
Quote from: xalva66 on December 06, 2006, 01:39:17 PM
Anyone see any CUNY games last night. I saw Hunter convincingly beat CCNY. Any other games worth mentioning.
I also saw the CCNY @ Hunter game. Very good game for the Hawks. Hunter looks much better than they have in recent years. Outstanding efforts by Gerard Ciarleglio and Chris Bernard. Chris Garrick and Lance Evans contributed as well. The Hawks did a nice defensive job on City's quality backcourt of Taleek Norman and James Boddie.
I've only seen Chris Bernard play twice, but he may very well be the best player in the conference (or possibly the Atlantic region). He is super quick, a solid defender, a good passer, a good shooter, has excellent court vision, doesn't force the issue, and plays with a great deal of maturity and composure. He's an excellent pickup by Hunter and the Hawks were lucky to get him.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2006, 05:19:35 PM
sixfour: St. Joseph's of Brooklyn is a well-coached team that hustles and gives a good, solid effort. Three players stood out in the Hunter game: Their center, Chris Olaskiewicz, is tough down low and has a pretty good touch. Ervin Maddox is an extremely quick point guard and Lukasz Cygan is a pretty good all-around player. The Bears were a little better than I expected. They certainly have a good shot at beating Brooklyn.
Yea I am from staten island. who is kid olaskiewicz from st peter's? I saw he was a uscaa second team all-american as a sophmore. pretty impressive no? I noticed that they beat briare cliffe by 25 who played brooklyn college and lost by 2 in OT. olaskiewicz and st joe's gonna make some noise in the city???
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Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2006, 05:19:35 PM
sixfour: St. Joseph's of Brooklyn is a well-coached team that hustles and gives a good, solid effort. Three players stood out in the Hunter game: Their center, Chris Olaskiewicz, is tough down low and has a pretty good touch. Ervin Maddox is an extremely quick point guard and Lukasz Cygan is a pretty good all-around player. The Bears were a little better than I expected. They certainly have a good shot at beating Brooklyn.
Yea I am from staten island. who is kid olaskiewicz from st peter's? I saw he was a uscaa second team all-american as a sophmore. pretty impressive no? I noticed that they beat briare cliffe by 25 who played brooklyn college and lost by 2 in OT. olaskiewicz and st joe's gonna make some noise in the city???
i dont know anything about them honestly, however looking at the KP game their main player is a guard named donnelly, he is apparently a good shooter/scorer. I dont know much about the uscaa either...its something ive asked about but not much info on it really...
Where are you from in SI, do you know the olaskiwez kid? are you him? ha.
Quote from: citylife2000 on December 07, 2006, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2006, 05:19:35 PM
sixfour: St. Joseph's of Brooklyn is a well-coached team that hustles and gives a good, solid effort. Three players stood out in the Hunter game: Their center, Chris Olaskiewicz, is tough down low and has a pretty good touch. Ervin Maddox is an extremely quick point guard and Lukasz Cygan is a pretty good all-around player. The Bears were a little better than I expected. They certainly have a good shot at beating Brooklyn.
Yea I am from staten island. who is kid olaskiewicz from st peter's? I saw he was a uscaa second team all-american as a sophmore. pretty impressive no? I noticed that they beat briare cliffe by 25 who played brooklyn college and lost by 2 in OT. olaskiewicz and st joe's gonna make some noise in the city???
also from what i understand they cant make noise in the city because they are not in the ncaa...gotta be in the league to make noise in the league.
well york college finally start to turn it back on and they did it with there best inside man Echols. I dont know why he hasnt been playing but when he return they are goin to be bac at full strenght. I know that Echols went to Csi and they are ballin right now both teams are 2- 0 i see that echols help to mold the big man at csi they playing really well i cant wait for that match but york still have a tough road ahead of them with the sch they play is the hardest in the cuny and its goin to play off come jan. lets go Cardnials bring the noise
Saw the game at Hunter last night and although the score did not make it seem as a convincing win, Hunter now holds the best overall record in CUNY. They are at the top of the division with a 2-0 CUNY record. It looks as if the program is finally being turned around and heading back into some better days.
york wins again (6- 3)and i heard that my boy Echols is back on the scene he had 20pts 16reb 4 blks damn that a hell of a welcome back party they go to RIT tuesday thats gonna be a though game they got size and they can shoot especially number 20 he is lights out but i got faith in york they need to win this game for their region record YORK is Ballin Baby Holla
Hunter beat FDU Florham 74-70 tonight. They are now 6-2.
i gotta give credit to hunter they are ballin right they are alot better then last yr team. CSI lose a tough one tonight and york is goin to RIT if they when they making noise in their region after the game tommorow york is off for a while i hope that break doesnt mess up their flow but i think it would help they get in alot more pracitce and switch alot of things and come bac the in play after the new yr ready for work. who else is making nosie in the cuny besides York and Hunter they Ballin right now
Baruch looked horrible last night against Ramapo. It looks like it's going to be a rebuilding year for the Bearcats. They lost their three top scorers, starting center and a key reserve from last year's team. It also doesn't help when your leading rebounder and second leading scorer (George Kunkel) is out with a wrist injury.
Hunter is clearly the most improved team in the conference. The Hawks have clearly upgraded their talent level--the past few years they had more stiffs than the Kings County morgue. Now they have four guys that can play and better quality reserves.
Is it that evident? I like them at the top of their division. Baruch does look like they are rebuilding and they already easily handled CCNY. York looks very tough and CSI lost to florham by 20+.
Would be interested in any thoughts on the baruch rotation. Thus far, they seem to shoot a lot of 3's, have a poor overall percentage and are weak in their perimeter D. They seem to have a few big guys but don't appear to utilize them well. I think they will still be in the hunt though.
Quote from: mully on December 13, 2006, 04:55:44 PM
Would be interested in any thoughts on the baruch rotation. Thus far, they seem to shoot a lot of 3's, have a poor overall percentage and are weak in their perimeter D. They seem to have a few big guys but don't appear to utilize them well. I think they will still be in the hunt though.
Baruch may very well compete in the North Division, but they're definitely weaker than they were last year. There has been a pretty steep drop off in talent. Plus, George Kunkel, who is their best (or second best) player is out with a wrist injury. Regarding Baruch's three big men, Phil Schatz is the best--and he has severe limitations. The other two do not appear to be ready for prime time.
Besides york and hunter any other surprises in the CUNY this year How does everyone feel about Lehman without vargas and francis
Quote from: zonescantstopme on December 17, 2006, 04:56:17 PM
Besides york and hunter any other surprises in the CUNY this year How does everyone feel about Lehman without vargas and francis
Lehman looks much weaker than last year. They're 3-7 overall, including a 36-point defeat on Saturday to St. Joe's (Long Island). This could be their weakest team since Schulman took over the reins.
The first half of the season doesnt mean as much as the second. There maybe some players leaving and some players coming in.
Trust me every game counts regardless if they win every game in the second semester the games in the first half will be questioned. Most of the time the first semester is a precursor for the second
Obviously all the games count towards your record, but understand that the CUNY championships are in the second half of the semester. If one team brings in two legit transfers they turn from pretenders to contenders. And on the otherside, if a team loses two players they can spiral downward.
come playoffs everybody is 0-0 so by saying that anything can happen a team might have a bad game and lose that night so who knows. i see that york finally got a website up its about time but where are the stats i wanna know what echols is droppin a night because he is not on the cuny stats either so whats good york with them stats
to the beast thank you for your support of my team this is Dennis echols i finally made an account on here so i can answer any question on about my team so anybody feel free to write to me ok and i will reply yorkballer51
well mr echols i see that yall are ballin but yall need to pick it up to make a big difference between your team and the rest of the conference. But yall are goin to win i do belive in you and yor squad. how come your stats are not on your school website or the cuny site i know you have to be on top of the conference but yo keep ballin iam coming to the staten island game iight 1
what is your affilation with york college, are you a player?
Saw another win for Hunter last night but against a lowely SUNY Maritime. Big test tomorrow against undefeated Rutgers-Newark who will get back All-American Jermont Horton. Rutgers just missed the Top 25 in the country. This game is a big test to see where Hunter is at the moment.
xalva66:
Hunter is 7-2 this year and are much better than they've been in recent years. However, they have played a very weak schedule. Their wins have not come against the greatest competition. Rutgers-Newark is the second best team they'll play this year (NYU being the best). Hunter looks good by CUNY standards, but it remains to be seen how well the Hawks will fare against quality out-of-conference foes. I agree with you that tomorrow's matchup vs. Rutgers-Newark will be an interesting measure of just how good Hunter really is.
Saw Hunter loose a close game to Rutgers-Newark by 2. Really good game which saw many lead changes. The biggest lead for either team throughout the night was 7.
I saw Wheaton, IL beat Baruch, 75-66, last night. Wheaton led all the way and dominated on the boards, but could not break the game wide open. Baruch hung in there and were down by only four--with possession--with three minutes to go. Carl Emengo had an excellent game for the Bearcats and Adrian Serrano put in a nice effort as well. Once again, George Kunkel did not play due to a wrist injury.
Here's my take on Wheaton: The Thunder are well-coached and disciplined. They are big and pretty physical. They have quite a few good outside shooters. They move the ball well and set a lot of screens. They are not very athletic; many of their players are slow and almost robotic. Their big men were not that effective in the low post, although they did get a fair amount of garbage baskets. They were often unable to take advantage of double teaming and cheating because of their slow reaction times. I was expecting a bit more from them, but it was only one game. It should also be noted that they were without the services of their leading scorer, Kent Raymond, due to injury.
Last night, I saw Hunter defeat Lehman, 79-69. Hunter led 28-27 at the half, but scored 51 points in the second half and broke it open down the stretch. Chris Bernard, who went scoreless in the opening stanza, hit five three pointers in the second half and finished with 22 points. Chris Garrick and Lance Evans also played well for the Hawks. Lehman was led by Lenny Gonzalez and Duane Rhoden, both of whom scored 19 points.
I haven't seen CSI yet, but it looks like Hunter could be the second-best team in CUNY this year. York might be number one, but Hunter isn't that far behind. Bernard is one of the best players in the conference and Garrick is also very good. Lance Evans is athletic and is a pretty good shooter as well. Their big weakness is a lack of size and bulk. They have trouble defending against a good low-post player. In addition, they have no low-post scorers of their own. They don't have a great bench by any means, but their subs are much better than they've been in recent years.
Saw Hunter defeat Brooklyn tonight. The game went back and forth for the first half and even a little part of the second half but then Hunter exploded and went up by 20+. They start a very tough stretch starting next Saturday when they play CSI, NYU, Medgar Evers and Lehman on the road. NYU is ranked in the top 20. CSI is always solid, Medgar has been competitive this year and Lehman was a tough game before. The next 9 games are going to be tough and will depict how good this team can be throughout the season. As I have stated before I think they are definitely one of the top teams in CUNY. At this pace Hunter can turn back into a powerhouse that they were when Ray Amalbert was coaching there, years ago.
DOLPHINS OUTPLAY CARDINALS, BUT DROP CONFERENCE TILT
The College of Staten Island Men's Basketball team (6-5 Overall, 3-1 CUNYAC) dropped an intense conference tilt to southern-division rival York College (8-6 Overall, 3-0 CUNYAC), falling to the Cardinals by a score of 69-57 Friday evening at the York College Gymnasium in Jamaica, NY.
The Dolphins used a tremendous team effort in the first half of action. Junior guard Robert Mesjasz scored a team-high 11 points, senior guard Mike Jones and freshman guard Christian Montervino each dropped in six points, and sophomore center Sean Weismuller netted six points. Thanks to a stingy defense and an unselfish attitude on the offense, CSI entered the locker room with a 12 point advantage, 39-27.
The second half of action saw the Cardinals stage a comeback, eventually taking the lead 51-50 with 4:11 seconds to go, thanks to a layup by senior forward Dennis Echols. The Dolphins would retake the lead, however, as Mesjasz drained a three-pointer from the right-corner, putting CSI up two, 53-51, with 3:42 remaining in the contest.
York would take the lead for good, however, thanks to senior forward Jeremy Boone converting on a three-point play. At that point, the Cardinals had a 54-53 advantage with 2:28 remaining. Just over a minute later, things began to crumble for CSI. Weismuller, with his team down three points, 57-54, was called for an offensive foul, his fifth foul of the contest. Weismuller's frustration eventually earned him a technical foul and an ejection. Boone stepped to the line with 56 seconds remaining and drilled the first of two free throws. Following that, a dispute between CSI Head Coach Tony Petosa and the referees began to escalate, and Petosa received consecutive technical fouls and was ejected from the contest.
From there, the Cardinals took advantage of their free-throw opportunities, nailing ten shots from the charity stripe and eventually picking the victory.
Boone led the way for the Cardinals, scoring a team-high 20 points. Echols also chipped in with a strong performance, netting 19 points. In a losing effort for CSI, Mesjasz led the way with a team-high 19 points.
CSI will hope to bounce back on Monday evening as they host the Steven's Institute of Technology Ducks with tip-off scheduled for 7:30pm.
I also watched the Brooklyn @ Hunter game last night. Brooklyn led 40-38 at the half, but Hunter outscored the Bridges 58-38 in the second stanza to come away with a 96-78 victory. Hunter was sluggish in the first half but was outstanding after the break. The Hawks wore Brooklyn down and ran them into the ground. Once again, this Hunter team has far more talent and depth than they've had in recent years.
York, Hunter, and CSI are probably the three best teams in CUNY this year. The injury to Kunkel has clearly hurt Baruch and Lehman is struggling. CCNY looks like they could be the fourth best team.
well its been a while since i been on here i was tryninng to wait to if anything good would in cuny but nothing chang York is now 10-6 (5-0) in conference i saw them Csi and Baruch they started off slow both games and wone the both. it looks like york have found them self a sharp shooter Mr lights out Wilson has turn it on from downtown where did this come from. the frist half of the season he barley shot any 3's now he letting go of them. Echols and Boone are still ballin as well but there Point Guard Mike needs to be a Damn Point Guard and run is team thats his job if he can do that the york would be unstopable. Because they have one of the best Coaching staffes in cuny and one happens to be a women thats very weird but yet impressive go ms lady york coach. and the head coach he looks like he really have his team finally coming around at the right time coach St John i wonder how many games he have won coaching at york well that enough for the day York is the Power House of the Cuny and Every one knows it they have turn it now to seperated themselves from the rest of the pack. Hunter might lose to Csi tonight let see wut happen to be cont.
Beast,
I agree with your assestment and I do recognize York as one of the top teams in CUNY. I mean there is a long way before Hunter plays York and there are many other CUNY games in between. In my eyes, if Hunter continues to win then that game will state who the Power House in the CUNY conference is. Throw out the fact that York has won and been competitive in quality NON-CUNY games. I havent seen their CUNY games but they beat Lehman, CSI, Baruch and Medgar all between 11-14 points. Obviously these are convinving wins (and I did not see these games and do not know if they were blow outs) but they they do not look like "Head Above Shoulder" wins.
Ron St John has done a massively well done job, bringing his program to elite status but Nick Plevritis at Hunter has taken a team from a 3-22 record to 10-3 record as we speak. If the season were to end now, I dont think there is any way that you could not give him Coach Of The Year honors but the season is only halfway through and the playoffs are where the real teams shine.
Hunter @ CSI is on Saturday (tomorrow) at 2:00 and not tonight. I expect it to be a very competitive game down to the wire.
you are right i never said that the york coach was gonna get coach of the yr but you have to see it from my view york has the size and now they have a shooter being born in wilson now if simpson can get out of his funk know one could go zone on them anymore and hunter wont be able to guard york big man especially echols one on one but i have to give credit to hunter they are the most improve team in the cuny them and york are the two best team as we speak and if they bout keep win i think that we might get a preview of the playoof champsionship game. hunter have 10 wins but they didnt play them teams that york played as of this yr york had the toughest schedule in the cuny and i feel that why they are 5-0 in conf play and might even go undefeated as well.
I think the only common quality Non-Conference team that both Hunter and York have played was Rutgers-Newark where both teams lost by single digits, Hunter by 2 and York by 6. Echols creates a tough matchup for many teams not just for Hunter. It will be interesting to see that game but like I said, this all may be talk right now if either of the two teams lose any conference games before their matchup. York has to play CCNY before their matchup and Hunter has to play CSI, Lehman, Medgar, CCNY and Baruch before they play York. All five games are extremely tough games.
DOLPHINS SUFFER HEARTBREAKING DEFEAT TO HAWKS IN CUNY SHOWDOWN
Blackett suffers injury, doesn't play in second half
The College of Staten Island Men's Basketball team (6-8 Overall, 3-2 CUNYAC) lost a heartbreaking game, falling to conference rival Hunter College (11-3 Overall, 5-0 CUNYAC) by a score of 69-68 Saturday afternoon at the Sports and Recreation Center in Willowbrook, NY.
Things looked promising for CSI early on, as the Dolphins took an early 8-2 advantage and eventually built their lead up to 16, 41-25, with 1:22 remaining in the first half. The Hawks, however, would close out the first half with a 6-0 run, cutting their deficit to 10. As the teams headed into the locker room at halftime, the Dolphins led by 10, 41-31. CSI was firing on all cylinders in the first half, knocking down 64.5 percent of their shots while also dishing 16 assists in the game's first twenty minutes. Junior forward Gari Blackett led the CSI with 12 points and eight rebounds at the half while junior guard Chris Bernard paced the Hawks with 11 points and two caroms.
In the second half, the Hawks remained persistent, using hustle and success from three-point range to battle their way back into the game. The Hawks connected on 6 of their 11 attempts from behind the arc, while CSI shot just 2-of-10 from behind the arc. The game was seemingly in control for the Dolphins after sophomore center Sean Weismuller hit a layup to give CSI a seven-point advantage, 68-61, with 2:05 remaining. The Hawks, however, remainded patient and persistent, outscoring CSI 8-0 over the final two minutes of play, a stretch that was highlighted by sophomore forward Lance Evans' three-pointer with 58 seconds remaining. Following the trey, the Hawks held a 69-68 advantage. The Dolphins had a final chance to win the game in the final five seconds, but freshman guard Ryan Hennessey's three pointer came up short, sending the Hawks players and coaches into a frenzy.
Bernard led the way for the Hawks, scoring a game-high 23 points to along with six rebounds and two assists. Junior forward Gerard Ciarleglio chipped in as well with a fine all-around performance, dropping in 12 points to along with six rebounds and two assists. In a losing effort for the Dolphins, Weismuller dropped in 19 points on 9-of-11 shooting to go along with five rebounds. In addition, junior guard Robert Mesjasz chipped in with 17 points and eight caroms.
On a side note, junior forward Gari Blackett suffered an apparent injury late in the first half and did not return for the second half of play. His status for future games is unknown at this point.
CSI will look to halt their three-game losing skid as they travel to Kean University for a matinee matchup with the Cougars on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, with tip-off scheduled for 2pm.
York College won another game today by 20pts as they beat city tech in a game where i think city tech had no chance. Hunter won by a point to Csi and i think york beat them by more then one but the big picture is that they won. York college Pg Mike had 15asst wow that what i mean by leading ur team to victory i really enjoy the game today now york face ramapoo which is gonna be a tough game lets see wut happens
Beast,
You are correct that Hunter only by 1 and that York won by 12. A win is a win and you can never say that one team is better because they beat a common opponent by a larger score. If you go by this theory then Hunter lost to Rutgers-Newark by a lesser margin than York did. In any case, if you saw the game, you would have noticed that the last 6 minutes of the game was one of the most poorly refereed games that one has ever seen. The foul situation in the second was 13-6 where Hunter was called for 13 fouls. Sean Weismuller played well for CSI and was not called for two possible charges when he had 4 fouls. With all this said and Chris Bernard fouling out with 4 or so minutes left in the game. Hunter came roaring back on the back of Lance Evans' two three-pointers with less than two minutes to play. Like I said in my previous post, Hunter has an extremely tough stretch CUNY stretch over the next 4 or 5 games not including their game on Monday at NYU. It was a very very well fought win for Hunter who battled back from being down by 14 or so close to the half but as the post said Hunter was very resilient throughout the game. The same situation came about when they played FDU-Florham and were down by 20 or so in the second half but won the game by 2.
am not saying bc hunter beat csi by 1 york is better iam gonna say this both are good i liike them both the win there divison but who do u think would do better in the NCAA tournment york or hunter? i just like york because how they are build they have size and now shooters. i just like yor i saw a couple of there games i havent seen hunter play as of yet but a win is a win both teams have tough games on monday. and both teams are representing the cuny well this yr. have yo seen any yorks games this yr they play ccny home wed come and see wut i see.
Some noticable observations from the CSI vs Hunter game. Gari Blackett the leagues leading rebounder and shot blocker had 12pts. and 8 rebounds in the first half and CSI was up by 10 at the break. However Blackett did not play the second half due to some sort of injury and CSI barely lost without one of their best players by a single point. You have to believe that with Blackett in the lineup the outcome of this game would have been different. Another thing that jumps out is CSI shot a horrible 3 for 18 from the line, this is something that has plagued them in recent games. If the Dolphins make just half of there freebies they win the game. No excuses though, if Blackett returns CSI still has to be considered a contender for the league even though they are one of the youngest teams in the conference.
well coach ag i say u make a good point but i really cant see csi win the championship this maybe they would it the next two yr in a row but this i have to give to york they look like they are turning the coner now by playoffs they are gonna be very hard to stop.
York is the favorite with two of the top players in the region on their team in Echols and Boone. However things change come tournament time. For example last year Baruch breezed through the league last year and looked untouchable heading into the CUNYs. But young teams come together at the end of the year as John Jay beat CSI and York snuck up on people and eventually took the crown. With that being said dont be so confident that York is a clear cut favorite.
coach ag look last yr york beat baruch in the chip with a young team but this yr york team is better than last yr team they are deeper and stronger at every postion do u agree with me? if york win monday we will see where they stand as of the region i like york this yr team i think they have the right piece for somthing special this yr and i cant wait to see how far they would go. and i have to admit they do have two of the best player in the region in boone and echols and wilson is coming on as a somp and mike is turning around into the point guard we all expected to be and york is flying high right now and i think they can beat rampo on monday and get past the frist round of the NCAA tournment
I figured I would let you all know that the Hunter/NYU game is being broadcasted on WNYU.Org. If you are in the city you should be able to catch the station on 89.1 FM.
NYU thoroughly dominated Hunter tonight and won easily, 94-59. I wasn't expecting a Hunter victory, but I did think the game would be more competitive. Hunter was simply never in this one. The Hawks had no answer for Jason Boone and Mike DeCorso, both of whom made it look easy against the overmatched Hawks. It was the poorest game I've seen Chris Bernard play. He never got on track and finished with 12 points.
The Njac killed the cuny last night Wp beat baurch by 20 york lost to rampoo by 17 i think and Nyu not in the njac beat hunter but for york there are no more non conference games on they schedule thats all for the day nothing more to say on that note talk to yall on Wed after cuny play kick back in play
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2007, 11:10:58 PM
NYU thoroughly dominated Hunter tonight and won easily, 94-59. I wasn't expecting a Hunter victory, but I did think the game would be more competitive. Hunter was simply never in this one. The Hawks had no answer for Jason Boone and Mike DeCorso, both of whom made it look easy against the overmatched Hawks. It was the poorest game I've seen Chris Bernard play. He never got on track and finished with 12 points.
i dont see what you saw in hunter to have any belief that they would have a chance at keeping it close against NYU.
Quote from: sixfour on January 16, 2007, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 15, 2007, 11:10:58 PM
NYU thoroughly dominated Hunter tonight and won easily, 94-59. I wasn't expecting a Hunter victory, but I did think the game would be more competitive. Hunter was simply never in this one. The Hawks had no answer for Jason Boone and Mike DeCorso, both of whom made it look easy against the overmatched Hawks. It was the poorest game I've seen Chris Bernard play. He never got on track and finished with 12 points.
i dont see what you saw in hunter to have any belief that they would have a chance at keeping it close against NYU.
I wasn't expecting a nailbiter. I thought Hunter would lose by 15-20 points, not 35. I knew Hunter was going to get killed inside, but I thought Bernard would have a better game and make it a bit more respectable. Hunter played tight the whole game, and NYU did a good job defending against the Hawks. NYU's size--and bulk--completely nullified Hunter's quickness. Every time someone penetrated for Hunter he ran into an NYU big man and the Hunter player was unable to do anything positive.
its thursday and am bac well york beat ccny by 15 thye had balance scoring again they are 12-7 three wins away from there mark last yr and they are goin to past this yr. csi lose 5 str8 games and baurch is 5-2 in cuny they are coming around now.
Just to give everyone a heads up, the sleeper team to win the conference is Medgar Evers. They are the deepest team in the league now that they added Kennedy and Wilkes from last years team. These two guys were their best players last year and all of a sudden they magically appear on their roster way after midseason. Can anyone tell me how this happens? Medger Evers has always been guilty of wierd team actions, one day a player plays and the next game he's not even on the bench. With all this said if they keep the team together that just played Hunter in their last game LOOK OUT. They are definetly the deepest team from 1 to 10 in the league.
Coach,
Completely agreed. They are definitely a sleeper team. Gave Hunter a big run in the game Wednesday night. Hunter now has Lehman at Lehman in another big CUNY game.
so medger finally got there stars bac buit it wasnt enough to beat hunter. anyway i know alot of ppl are say that the courgars are a sleeper but they have to go through york in there divison if they can go punch for punc with york when they play in brooklyn then i would belive they are what they are sounding like untill then my fav is still york because they are also deep and like i keep saying they have size they can kill u in the post and alos by the outside wut other them can honestly do that?
John Jay dealt York their first CUNYAC defeat tonight, 75-72. Hunter, which squeeked by both CSI and Medgar Evers, is the only undefeated team in conference play with a 6-0 record. The Hawks take on Lehman tomorrow afternoon in the Bronx.
Wow. I bet no one expected that. Rhodes, I read the article on the John Jay website. It seemed to me Echols didnt have the game he normally has. But again, thats not looking at a stat sheet but just by reading the article thats on the website. But again, the game was not a low scoring game, John Jay probably played very well.
Baruch still seems to be in the hunt. Beat Medgar Evers tonight. Anyone see game? Who's getting it done for them?
omg omg wtf happen to york losing to john jay somthing must have went wrong i wonder what happen there goes the undefeated yr in cuny im so shock we all know that cant lose nomore game. but i must say i rather them get a awake call now then in the playoffs. hunter plays lehman tonight that goes to show that any team can lose on any night york yall need to wake up from this lose and start playing like yalll are suppose to play i still cant believe it damn am upset i lost some money on this one well it happens time to move on
am back once again i see that hunter lost this is the week of upset well both team lost in york and hunter lets see how they are goin to bounce back from these loses
Per the D3hoops.com scoreboard:
Lehman 62, Hunter 58
The Hawks suffer their first conference defeat of the season. They're now 6-1 in CUNY action. Hunter beat Lehman earlier in the year at home, but lost this one up in the Bronx. Perhaps xalva66 will have a first-hand report on the game.
Quote from: TheBeast on January 20, 2007, 06:07:43 PM
am back once again i see that hunter lost this is the week of upset well both team lost in york and hunter lets see how they are goin to bounce back from these loses
As I noted earlier, Hunter barely got by both CSI and Medgar Evers before falling to Lehman today. York, on the other hand, won all of their conference games by double digits before losing to John Jay last night.
This conference always has its share of surprises, so I'm sure there will be a few more as the season progresses.
I noticed Hunters top player Bernard did not play against Lehman. Does anyone know the story behind him not playing. Without him on the court Hunter is a much different team and Lehman beating them is not as big of a deal.
Once again watch out for Medger as soon as their new players get thier chemistry down with the rest of the team they will be tough.
Stevens Tech 95, Hunter 80
Stevens led from the beginning of the contest, fought off a couple of Hunter runs and then cruised to victory down the stretch.
The Ducks' trio of Virgil Gray, Anthony Passalacqua and Waleed Farid were a bit too much for the Hawks to handle. All three are aggressive, athletic and versatile scorers, who consistently beat Hunter defenders all game long. This trio was effective inside, outside, in the open court and in the half court as well.
Hunter got a strong effort from John Yannaco. Chris Garrick was horrible in the first half, but played well in the second half. Gerard Ciarleglio was the Hawks' high scorer, but his overall play was inconsistent.
It appears that Hunter will be without the services of Chris Bernard for the rest of the season. He is no longer on the roster. This is obviously a big blow for the Hawks. Bernard was probably the best player in CUNY.
well hunter loss another game with one of there star player on the roster nomore it looks like hunter might be in some trouble i just hope york fix what ever they had to fix to get back on track after that silly lose to john jay but i know that they are goin to right there ship bc they cant have anymore slip up like john jay again. lets see how hunter play against brooklyn on wed with out chris
Hunter is in real trouble they lost two str8 cuny games york dont play untill sat vs brooklyn i hope they come bac on top of there games. john jay won another cuny looks like that win aganist york go them ballin right now i just hope york dont follow hunter and they come bac ready to play holla
ANY word on Bernard? Why is he out? Is he out the remainder of the season????? Someone?
Quote from: sixfour on January 25, 2007, 12:48:58 AM
ANY word on Bernard? Why is he out? Is he out the remainder of the season????? Someone?
Chris Bernard was not listed on the program for the Stevens Tech game and, according to the Hunter website, he is no longer on the team's roster. I think it's safe to assume he won't be back this year. And Hunter--obviously--misses him.
With the conference schedule about 75% complete, York has demonstrated that they're the best team in CUNY. The Cardinals are atop the South Division with a 7-1 mark, followed by CSI at 4-4 and Medgar Evers at 4-5. CSI is weaker than usual, but they're still dangerous. Medgar has the talent, but needs to get it together.
In the North Division, Hunter leads with a 6-2 record, with Baruch next at 6-3 and John Jay at 5-4. With the loss of Bernard, all bets are off. This division is up for grabs, and there's a great deal of parity. Despite losing Bernard, Hunter still has the talent to compete but there's little room for error. Plus, it appears that morale could be a factor as well. Baruch is playing without Kunkel, but the Bearcats are hanging tough. John Jay has been playing well lately, including a big win over York.
RS you are so right since john jay beat york they are flying high right now but i do agree with u that york is still yhe most powerful team in cuny today they brooklyn college i know they goin to come out throwing punches bc john jay beat them there 5 games left for i saw the region ranking they are 8 no other cuny team is that close so if they win the rest of there games and i think the playoofs games will help them to possible win the region and get a number 1 or 2 seed finshing with 20-5 region if they come play the rest of the yr. hunter loss there best player and baruch and john jay are right there fighting fot the north title. every game counts for every one now it is crunch time lets see who wants it more?
york won today by 17 i think baruch is the new number 1 team in the north john jay lost the north side of the conference is in a battle while york got the south on lock they are now 8-1 and should run the the floor with everbody else they play echols had 21 and 18 rebs boone 17 and 11 they did what i though they were goin to do and they won by double digits
I watched Baruch defeat Hunter this afternoon, 96-82. The game was tied at 37 at the intermission, but Baruch thoroughly dominated Hunter in the second half and won going away. Hunter had no answer for either Carl Emengo or Phil Schatz. Emengo made it look easy by nailing outside jumpers and consistently beating the Hunter guards off the dribble, while Schatz repeatedly abused a variety of undersized Hunter defenders with a soft baby hook down low. Emengo finished with 27 points and Schatz had 21. Adrian Serrano was next with 17, including 5 three's.
Hunter continues to struggle without Chris Bernard. The Hawks played a good first half, but were blown out in the second stanza. It doesn't look like anyone is stepping up and showing some leadership. In addition, the team seems to lack confidence and is not particularly sound on fundamentals. Even without Bernard, they have the talent to win, but it remains to be seen if this team can come together and get the job done. Hunter was paced by Gerard Ciarleglio with 23 points. Lance Evans was next with 15 and Patrick Phillips had 12.
Hey so does anyone have any info on Brooklyn this season?? I grew up near the school and have been wanting to catch a g ame but i havent made it out there yet.
Quote from: sixfour on January 28, 2007, 01:42:17 PM
Hey so does anyone have any info on Brooklyn this season?? I grew up near the school and have been wanting to catch a g ame but i havent made it out there yet.
What kind of information are you looking for? Have you tried the CUNYAC website or Brooklyn College's website?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 28, 2007, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: sixfour on January 28, 2007, 01:42:17 PM
Hey so does anyone have any info on Brooklyn this season?? I grew up near the school and have been wanting to catch a g ame but i havent made it out there yet.
What kind of information are you looking for? Have you tried the CUNYAC website or Brooklyn College's website?
just opinions, first hand game observations, insight...things of that nature, things which are discuessed regularly in this forum no??
Brooklyn College is struggling this season mainly because of overall team experience. They are a young team but if they keep their core of guards for next year and add a legit inside presence which has always been their weakness they should be fine for next year. However I reccomend that you go see one of their games during the week while students are there. I think Brookyn has one of the best crowds in CUNY basketball. The crowd is always into the game no matter what the score is and it gets very loud in Roosevelt Hall. Also because of Brooklyns uptempo pressing style the crowd often feeds off of that and makes it one of the toughest places to play. You will only see this though if you go to a game on Monday thru Thursday. Hope I helped you a little.
that is true of playing at brooklyn i have had the displeasure of playing there
Coach AG is right on point about Brooklyn's guards, their pressing style, the crowd at Roosevelt Hall and the youth of the team. With a good low post presense ,they could be dangerous as their weakness is their size. At times, as in yesterday's game vs. York because of foul trouble they had 5 guards in the game. And, with 11 minutes to go , they led York 50-43 before fouls doomed Brooklyn's two legit inside players who only go 6'1, 6'2" tops. If you look at their scores they play everybody tough, they are extremely hard to play against because they attack you all game to negate the fact that they get killed on the boards. Go see them play and you'll see for yourself
It's worth going to a Brooklyn College game just to check out Roosevelt Hall. It's got to be one of the most unique venues around. Some consider it charming, others an antiquated relic. I haven't been there in about seven years, so I don't know if there's been any kind of renovations. I do remember that the bulk of the seating was behind one (or possibly both) of the baskets.
I watched Brooklyn play Baruch a few week ago and thought they had some talent, but could not overcome a young Baruch squad. Brooklyn are one or two players from winning more games.
Speaking of Brooklyn's gym, it is hard to believe it once hosted Div I games with teams such as Navy (David Robinson) and Akron (Bob Huggins coach) going there. Brooklyn and CUNY should exploit that history more.
Quote from: BaruchFan on January 30, 2007, 11:32:33 PM
I watched Brooklyn play Baruch a few week ago and thought they had some talent, but could not overcome a young Baruch squad. Brooklyn are one or two players from winning more games.
Speaking of Brooklyn's gym, it is hard to believe it once hosted Div I games with teams such as Navy (David Robinson) and Akron (Bob Huggins coach) going there. Brooklyn and CUNY should exploit that history more.
I don't believe that Brooklyn has much interest in dwelling on their D1 exploits of the mid-'80s. That entire experiment kind of blew up in their face.
you might be right and it did fail, but there are some great stories to tell. just my two cents.
i see hunter lost again. baruch did too in a tough one against new paltz. i think baruch was missing a starter or two.
i saw the hunter game againt york last night york dominated hunter inside and out hunter was missin alot of player but i reall think that wouldnt have mad much of a difference york play with heart and as a team now they are play they way we expected them to play. dennis echols had another big game 25pts and 12 rebs he had 21 and 18 reb against brooklyn he back to his old ways and boone of course his doin wat he do he is the player of the yr in my eyes. york play medger on friday i will be there for that one. oh yea to all that want to know York is 4 in the region rankings if they keep winnig and the other teams keep losing they can be number by the end of the yr lets go york you my support like you had all yr
Here's an interesting stat: All of York's conference wins have been by double-digits, a pretty rare occurrence. The Cardinals are 9-1 in conference play, their sole blemish coming on the road against John Jay.
With Hunter in free fall, Baruch looks well-placed to win the North, and the Bearcats may very well be the second-best team in the conference (even without Kunkel). Speaking of Kunkel, does anyone know if he is do back this year?
I hear he is out. He has a cast on his arm.
Here's how the CUNYAC fared against the other two Atlantic region conferences this year:
CUNYAC vs.
NJAC....2-23
Skyline....10-17*
*One game remaining: Hunter @ St. Joseph's, Long Island (2/12)
Thanks for the dreadful stats Rhode Scholar.
Quote from: Coach AG on February 02, 2007, 10:00:14 PM
Thanks for the dreadful stats Rhode Scholar.
Please don't blame the messenger, Coach. :)
Coach ag rhodes scholar got a point njac man handle the cuny this yr but look at the region ranking york is up there with the best of them they are rank 4 and should move up to 2nd by the end of the year if they keep on handling there businessok iam done with that now to cuny. york is now 10-1 and it looks like the are goin to be the number 1 seed in the cunyac tournment. they are 15-8 matching the win total from last year. york beat medger last night boone is hands down the player of the yr he finished with 30pts while echols had his third double double in row with 19pts and 12 rebs arron wilson looks like he broke his slump with 16pts. they play CSI wed at staten island echols is makeing his return trip back ther and should make out for a good game but the way york is ballin right all favor york college in the one. baruch lost and hunter lost 7str games i told u they where in trouble. and they makes it obvious the Coach st john will and should be the coach of the yr win ws the last that the player of the yr and the coach of the yr were form the same school?
Havent posted in a while. Hunter is in a complete decline since losing Chris Bernard. Life without him has been extremely difficult but look at the schedule of these losses. The six losses (I feel) are a bit misleading. Two of the four losses were to CCNY (in CCNY) by 2 and to Lehman (in Lehman) by 4. These were competitive games. and all of the other losses were to very quality teams in NYU, Stevens tech, York and Baruch. In my opinion, when losing your best player right before the toughest stretch of your schedule will be very difficult to handle for anybody. I agree that Jeffrey Boone should be MVP of CUNY, hands down. At this rate, York should easily win the CUNY tournament and move onto the NCAAs.
York is the best team with the best coach and player in 2006-07. CUNY could save themselves lots of trouble and get the plaques engraved now for those awards.
Can't wait for the tournament. I hear CCNY made some nice changes to the nat holman gym and that should make for a nice experience to watch what should be a great tournament.
In my opinion Coach St. John is not the Coach of the Year. Just by watching his teams in the past which always have the most size, I don't believe he manages games well. He just always has the talent. For example this year CUNY 1st teamer Denis Elchols just happens to land in his lap for his senior year. I don't know how this was possible knowing first hand he left CSI being unelgible. But some how he is playing at York. My point is he has the talent but does he really coach them well enough to the point where they can make noise nationally?
I believe a team like Baruch, Hunter, CCNY, or CSI should have the Coach of the Year after completely losing the bulk of their team from the previous year and having to play with sophmores and freshmen.
did u coach at csi last yr how do you know all of that about echols and i feel that the coach of the yr should go to the coach he has the best record that yr i agree he got luck landing echols this any school would have been luck to get a player of that caliber but that dont take nothing away from the team they played with every top rank team they play they never had a double digit loss to any rank team so i think they can play with the best out there. so coach ag if u really dont know the storie about the echols situtaion i feel we leave it alone and we shouldnt speak about it he is playing and the NCAA knows it so if its ok with them it ok with cuny. so i say give it to st john he earned it this yr. his team is the in cuny possible the region they are rank 4 in that field
The coach of the year should go to the coach that makes it to the finals to play against York. Thats just my opinion. I agree with coach AG to a point that he has the two best players in CUNY with Echols and lets be honest, just because you are winning and have the best record always doesnt mean you have the coach of the year. It will be interesting. I think Ray Rankis may be up there again because Baruch has been able to jump back to the top of the division even with Kunkel out. St John is up there because York is ranked regionally. Plevritis at Hunter has a tremendous chance to win coach of the year with the huge turnaround the program has had since last year although it will all depend on how they finish the season and what they do in the playoffs. and then I like petosa from CSI and Stampfel from CCNY. But like I said, it all comes down to what happens in the playoffs and who steps up.
The best team is York--hands down. The best player and the MVP (there is a difference) is Boone. Coach of the Year is not nearly as obvious, but I'd have to say St. John is the leading candidate. Why? Look at his team's record. Yes, he has the most talent, but his team's getting it done on the court. However, winning the Coach of the Year does not mean he's the best coach. The best coach is the coach who gets the most out of his players' talent level and experience.
I think Rankis, Schulman, Petosa and St. John are all good coaches. They've all had varying degrees of success over the years. Plevritis had an excellent shot at coach of the year, but Hunter completely fell apart after Bernard's departure. I don't know if the Hawks have it in them to turn it around now.
yea are right Rhode S i agree with you with Boone being MVP and Echols is right up there with him in my eyes they both make york what they are but we also have to look at york record last they are much improve then last yr team how is that not an impact that what am wondering Coach AG yes gettting Echols Was A major plus for york. If echols would have stay at CSI i could only imagine how good they would have been if they had there whole team bac from last they would have knocked off york in my eyes with Echols and luna on there roster but there not and york got echols and john jay got luna and both made major impacts on there team this yr
Not sure how realistic post-season hopes are for CUNY teams in general and York specifically. If they get the right match-ups in the first or second rounds they could win a game or two. But the overall weakness of the conference has really hurt even the very good teams from the past few seasons. Case in point is Baruch last season. They played outstanding ball for most of the year, played a fairly compettitve schedule, handled William Patterson in the regular season, lost to York in the conference championship game, and then got whacked in the NCAA's by a decent team. All of the early games against good teams meant very little down the stretch after a steady diet of CUNY opponents. That Patterson team ended up going all the way to the final 8 thanks to the grind of the NJAC.
Hunter used to play a very competitive out of conference schedule, but losing close games to good teams never seemed to do them much good. Now they have completely downgraded their out of conference schedule (dropped teams such as Jersey City, William Patterson, Conecticut College, Western Connecticut, Trinity, Old Westbury for the likes of St. Joe's of Brooklyn, Centenary, Maritime...you get the idea). If they played that schedule this year they would have another 4 or 5 losses.
Other teams fattened up the win total against some of the worst teams in the country. Don't take my word for it, look at he D3 power ratings and check out the CUNY conference strength of schedule.
Until the overall conference play improves the conference champ will always struggle in the NCAAs. When was the last time a CUNY team won an NCAA game?
To refer to close/competitive losses to teams like CCNY and Lehman as an indication that a team is OK is just plain unrealistic. What are their combined records? And to use York's 10-1 conference record and a couple of early wins against quality opponents as a basis for hope is equally unrealistic. Look at their loss to NYU as more representative of their play against a good, well-rounded team.
The bottom line is, CUNY just can't compete. Part-time coaches, crazy player turn-over at most of the programs, rosters that seem to change at the drop of a hat, no crowds...etc. I'm not hatin', I'm just stating the obvious. Until the conference can at least get close to the Skyline level of play, the regular season is going to continue kill the one or 2 decent teams that manage to emerge from the muck.
I believe the last time CUNY did any damage was when Hunter went to the elite eight. Many feel that team was the greatest CUNY team of all time.
york is at csi tonight this is a very big game for york and csi. csi can take sole possesion of second place this is goin to be a very good game york better come to play bc i would hate for them to lose this battle Dennis return bac staten island i wonder how the crowd is goin to react to this. but dennis played well at the csi gym last yr so i think him and boone are goin to go to work but we just have to wait and see. Lets get ready to rumble!
I agree with most of Chcuk Taylor's post. CUNY is one of the weakest conferences in the country. I don't know if that will ever change. Last year's Baruch team was the strongest CUNY team since the '98 Hunter team. They hosted a tournament game and lost decisively to Villa Julie, one of the weakest teams in the entire field. To say the least, it was a very disappointing performance.
The only two CUNY teams that could compete nationally were the Brooklyn team in the early '80s and the Hunter team in '98. Neither one was your typical CUNY team. The four best players on that Hunter team were one-year players. It was a once-in-a-decade mix of D1 and JUCO transfers grafted onto a typical CUNY team. Mike Brown pulled it off his first year at Hunter but came up short the other three years that he coached in CUNY.
INSPIRED DOLPHINS' EFFORT LEADS CSI TO FOURTH CONSECUTIVE VICTORY
The College of Staten Island Men's Basketball team (11-12 Overall, 8-4 CUNYAC) won their fourth consecutive game, using a sensational all-around team effort and defeating the York College Cardinals (15-9 Overall, 10-2 CUNYAC) by a score of 74-58 Wednesday evening at the Sports and Recreation Center in Willowbrook, NY.
The Dolphins were clicking on all cylinders against the conference's top seeded team, as CSI connected on 50% percent of their shots in the contest's opening period. The Dolphins dished 10 first half assists to the Cardinals' seven, and CSI forced nine Cardinal turnovers while only committing five of their own. As the teams headed into the locker room at halftime, the Dolphins held a 10 point advantage, 36-26. Senior guard Mike Jones put together a phenomal first half, scoring 15 points on 4-of-6 shooting from three-point range. Jones also wowed the crowd with a four point play 7:25 into the contest, as he connected on a trey from the right corner while getting hacked by Cardinals' junior Michael Salamanca. Jones converted on the free-throw, and completed the sensational play. For York, it was senior Jeffrey Boone pacing his squad, scoring 11 points and snatching two caroms.
In the second half, the Dolphins would eventually build their lead up to 22, 61-39, with 11:18 remaining in the game. From there, York would attempt to get back into the game, putting together a 7-0 run over the ensuing three minutes to cut their deficit to 15, 61-46, with 8:22 remaining in the conest. From there, however, the Dolphins would maintain their lead, not allowing the Cardinals to cut their deficit to any lower than 15 points.
For the Dolphins, four players scored in double-figures, including Jones, who put together his second consecutive inspired performance, finishing with 26 points, three rebounds, and three steals. Sophomore center Sean Weismuller posted a double-double with 15 points and 10 caroms, and sophomore forward Gari Blackett dropped in 12 points and snatched five rebounds. For the Cardinals, it was Boone continuing his stellar senior campaign, pacing York with 22 points and five caroms. Former Dolphin Dennis Echols came alive in the second half, as he finished with 14 points, eight rebounds, and two blocks.
For the game, the Dolphins connected on 46.4% of their attempts from the floor, while holding York to 42% shooting. The unselfish and motivated Dolphins also dished 18 assists to the Cardinals' 12.
With the victory, the Dolphins now control their destiny as it pertains to claiming the #2 seed in the 2007 CUNYAC Tournament, which begins for CSI on 2/18. CSI, which heads into John Jay College on Friday evening for their final conference contest of the 2006-2007 campaign, can capture the #2 slot in the tournament with a victory over the Bloodhounds, thanks to Lehman College's victory over Baruch College, 60-58, earlier Wednesday evening. CSI and John Jay tip-off Friday evening at 7pm.
CSI is looking like a completely different team now with the emergence of lone senior Mike Jones stepping up. Jones has taken off the scoring burden of Wiesmuller and Mesjasz and is offering a viable 3rd option. He took over the end of the game to help seal victory against Lehman, the next game dropped 29 versus Brooklyn and continued to keep ballin tonight by putting up 26 against York. Jones has struggled all year to find his stroke and these past games maybe hes just relaxing and trying to enjoy the end of his senior season. What ever hes doing CSI sure hopes he keeps it up because it makes them that much more tougher to defend if hes drilling 3's to free up Blackett and Weismuller inside. John Jay will be a emotional game for the Dolphins because they were knocked out by the Bloundhonds last year but CSI looks like they have the focus to make a late season run.
CSI is in BEAST MODE!!! ;D ;D
yea csi beat york they play a hell of a game lastnight mike jones who mike jones was on point csi is now the number 2 seed and they earn that last night good job but to mark every time york lose a game they come back with monster winning streaks they only need four to win it all
I read in an earlier post about how weak CUNY was and something about not doing well in the NCAA over the years. FYI - City Tech won an NCAA game two years ago againsrt Ursinius.
yea i remeber that as well that city tech won a ncaa game but tonigh city tech play york and they need to win to make to playooff i dontknow its gonna turn out bc win york loss a game they usllay go on a win streak so lets see wut happen
Quote from: BaruchFan on February 09, 2007, 05:03:46 AM
I read in an earlier post about how weak CUNY was and something about not doing well in the NCAA over the years. FYI - City Tech won an NCAA game two years ago againsrt Ursinius.
Winning a tournament game every five years or so doesn't exactly demonstrate that CUNY is a strong conference. I'm not looking to bash CUNY by pointing this out. I'm just trying to put some facts on the table.
Chcuk Taylor's earlier post was fair. I don't believe he was looking to ridicule the conference. I just think he was trying to offer an explanation of why CUNY has been unsuccessful against quality out-of-conference opposition.
DOLPHINS HOLD OFF MASCALL, BLOODHOUNDS
CSI captures #2 seed in 2007 CUNYAC Tournament
Junior Gari Blackett exeplified the word "strong" Friday evening, tallying his 15th double-double of the 2006-2007 campaign with 22 points to go along with 16 rebounds
The College of Staten Island Men's Basketball Team (12-12 Overall, 9-4 CUNYAC) won their fifth consecutive game, defeating the John Jay College Bloodhounds (7-18 Overall, 6-7 CUNYAC) by a score of 79-76 Friday evening in New York, NY.
The Dolphins were clicking on all cylinders in the first half, connecting on 52% percent of their shots from the floor, including 6-of-7 shooting from downtown. CSI also made the most of their opportunites at the line, connecting on 11-of-12 attempts from the charity stripe. The Dolphins also did a fine job on the glass, outrebounding the Bloodhounds by a margin of 24-11. As the teams headed into the locker room at halftime, the Dolphins held a 16 point advantage, 43-27. Senior guard Mike Jones played a sensational first half, scoring 17 points to go along with three caroms. Junior forward Gari Blackett played a strong first twenty minutes, netting 10 points and grabbing nine rebounds, and junior guard Robert Mesjasz dropped in 10 points and dished two assists. For the Bloodhounds, it was former Dolphin Kelvin Luna pacing his squad with 14 points and two assists.
Things started well for CSI in the second half, as the Dolphins built a 22 point advantage, 60-38, with 12:45 remaining in the contest. From there, however, the Bloodhounds would go on a ferocious run. Sophomore guard Godfrey Mascall put together a spectacular second half for John Jay, netting 27 of his game-high 29 points in the final period. His inspired effort helped his team climb to within three, 79-76, with 15.6 seconds remaining in the contest. Following a Bloodhound foul, freshman guard Christian Montervino headed to the line for CSI, with a chance to give the Dolphins a two-possession lead. Montervino, however, would misfire on both of his free-throws, giving the Bloodhounds one final chance to tie the game. John Jay's Vaughn Mason grabbed the rebound, and, instead of dishing the ball out to a teammate for a potential game-tying trey, attempted a layup and misfired. Blackett grabbed the rebound, and dished the ball to teammate Kyle Yocum, who threw the ball into the front-court as time expired.
For the Dolphins, it was Blackett leading the way with a tremendous effort, posting his 15th double-double of the season with 22 points to go along with 16 rebounds and four blocks. Jones finished with 21 points, his third consecutive 20-point outing, and Mesjasz scored 19 points, dished four assists, and snatched three caroms. For the Bloodhounds, it was Mascall leading the way for his squad, scoring a game-high 29 points to go along with five steals, four rebounds, and three assists. Luna also chipped in with 18 points and four assists.
With the victory, the Dolphins captured the #2 seed in the upcoming CUNYAC Tournament. The Tournament begins on February 18 for CSI, and their opponent is yet to be determined.
The Dolphins will return to action on Tuesday, February 18, as they play host to St. Joseph's College of Brooklyn, with tip-off scheduled for 7pm. It will also be senior night at the Sports and Recreation Center, with the Dolphins honoring their lone senior, Mike Jones.
I see York dropped its second straight tonite to versus the upbeat NYC Tech team, BEAST please fill us in on the game. That is a great win for Tech as they are trying to survive and make the playoffs. That kid Phillips must be the real deal. The seeding is going to be bananas with alot of tie breakers going into affect for the tourney, especially if Lehman wins tommorrow. In everbody's opinion besides CSI, York and Baruch which team should be the most feared going into the tourney?
Below is the entire quarterfinal slate for Sunday, February 18th at CCNY.
12:00 pm #1 York vs. #8 Lehman
2:15 pm #4 CCNY vs. #5 City Tech
4:45 pm #3 Baruch vs. #6 John Jay
7:00 pm #2 CSI vs. #7 Hunter
The semifinals will be held on February 21st (5:30 pm/7:45 pm) and the finals will take place on February 24th at 7:45 pm.
They said they seeded teams by their combined head to head records, which I still don't understand how they came up with the matchups. Anyway me being a CSI fan I'm glad we don't have to see City Tech in the first round.
I just saw the the 7 and 8 seeds have just been swapped. Anyone have any idea why that is?
Yeh whats the deal with that, something is fishy with the seeding process.
Can anyone shed some light on this? I saw that the appeal was also denied. Why would Lehman get the higher seed afterwards.
I dont understand can you explain whats going on
It looks like we are all in the dark.
#5 City Tech, #6 John Jay, #7 Lehman and #8 Hunter all finished with identical 6-7 conference records. According to the CUNYAC website the next step was to look at the combined head-to-head records against each other. City Tech had the best record at 2-1 and John Jay was next at 3-2. Lehman and Hunter both had 2-3 records. Lehman and Hunter split their season series, with each school winning one game. Hunter won their game by 10 and Lehman won theirs by 4, so margin of victory could not have been the tiebreaker. This is all I know, so I really don't see how Lehman got the higher seed over Hunter.
Would it have something to do with regional records.
I doubt regional records had anything to do with it, since its a conference tourney. It has to be based solely on league play and point differential. Obviously Hunter has to be upset as they match up better with CSI. On the other had CSI probably wanted a rematch against Hunter to avenge a earlier loss to them. Plus Lehman is playing great ball right now and their defense ranks among the tops in the league. Overall should be a good tourney and I do plan on seeing a few upsets as their is not one dominate team.
I still dont get it though. Where is the next tie-breaker? This just doesnt make sense. Someone from CUNY should answer this question. If the rankings were set this way before they were posted I could understand. But obviously someone must have seen the rankings and did not like them and probably made a complaint to the league. There is no other reasoning for this. This is blasphemy.
Possibly the next tie breaker is common out of conf opponents?
cant be. Only non-conference common opponent was St Joes of LI and both teams were hammered by them. I am guessing that it has to do with quality wins against divisional opponents. Lehman has beaten Baruch in both meetings. That can be the only logical explanation. In any case, there must be a definitive tie-breaker rule set into place at the beginning of the season. Originally, Hunter was 7 and Lehman was 8, there was a reason for that seeding. Like I said, to change something like that after it is posted on the CUNY website must have occurred because someone appealed it. And then the method of the last tie-breaker must have been changed to something else. Again, CUNY should put out a statement as to why the seedings were done this way. Their explanation on the website is way too vague "Those seeds were determined by the combined head-to-head records against each other." What is the last tie-breaker? In any case, Hunter is going into the CUNY playoffs losing 9 straight games. Thats really not a good sign but crazier things have happened in the past.
To all concerned about the Hunter -Lehman switch. The second tie-breaker in CUNY is divisional records. Once it was determined that only Lehman and Hunter were left after City Tech and John Jay were seeded, CUNY went to the next tiebreaker which was divisional record. Lehman was 5-3 and Hunter was 3-5. The initial problem was probably that City Tech was in the tie, and it was perceived that divisional records could not be used. Once the tie was narrowed down to two teams in the same division, the divisional tie breaker was used. Hope this helps all.
Well that makes sense but why would they originally have it as 7-Hunter and 8-Lehman. There was a thinking to that. Where did you get this information from?
Asked of a few players who were aware of the situation.
That makes sense.
Cuny all stars were named today. I was a little suprised by some of the selections. For example how does Gari Blackett not get selected to the first team. He only lead the league in rebounding by a whopping margin of +3 rebounds over they next highest player, lead the league in blocked shots and finally lead the league in field goal precentage while averaging 13 pts. on a winning team. I understand Weissmuller made it but I think with those stats and what he meant to his team he should have been voted higher.
Hey SWING O = swing offense. Do you coach a team that runs that system? ;D
I also forgot to mention Blackett has 16 double doubles for the year which is more than half of his games. He also is ranked 4th in the nation in rebouding and ranks nationally in FG percentage. ???
Hey Coach AG:
I know who you are because I'm related to the person who runs that system-by the way didn't you play for that coach? He always talks about how good you were.Good Luck with CSI in the tourney.
Thanks SwingO :D
POWERED BY WEISMULLER, CSI HOLDS OF LEHMAN COLLEGE IN CUNYAC QUARTERFINAL
Sophomore boasts sensational evening delivering CSI a victory
Weismuller's 27 points and 13 rebounded were enough to hold off a quality Lehman team in CUNYAC's first round quarterfinal.
No. 2 College of Staten Island overcame a six point halftime deficit, then warded off a late flurry, to survive through a quarterfinal victory over No. 7 Lehman College, 62-55, in a game played at the City College of New York as part of the CUNYAC Postseason Tournament this evening. The come-from-behind win, CSI's sixth straight, improved the team to 14-12, while the Lightning's season comes to an end at 10-16.
On a night when both teams would combine to shoot 37% from the floor, the lead changed hands five times in the first 12 minutes. Finally, Lehman wrestled control in the first stanza. A pair of Kyle Lockett free throws gave the Lightning a modest 15-14 advantage, and after a CSI turnover, Lockett canned a three-point basket from the left side to give his squad an 18-14 advantage. Two minutes later, with their lead cut to 22-20, Duane Rhoden buried another three for Lehman, and after another CSI turnover, Lehman's Nick Watson scored an easy lay-in to give the Lightning their biggest cushion of the game, 27-20.
Thankfully, CSI countered with sophomore Sean Weismuller. The 6-foot-8 standout, who had scored 13 of the team's first 21 points, scored an off-balance lay-up to put the Dolphins to within four, 27-23. His clutch free throws on the ensuing possession, cut the lead further, before Lehman went back up by six, 31-25, at halftime.
In the second stanze, CSI stepped up the tempo in an effort to regain control. After a Lockett jumper gave Lehman a 37-32 advantage, Robert Mesjasz scored the first of his 10-second half points by burying a long-range three to cut the Lehman lead to two. After Gari Blackett tossed in a pair of free-throws, Weismuller calmly sank two free throws of his own, to give CSI a 39-37 lead at the 13:14 mark that it would never relinquish. From there, Weismuller proved to be CSI's backbone. After extending to an 8-point lead at the 10:38 mark, everytime Lehman came to within two or four points, Weismuller responded with a bucket of his own to never leave the CSI lead in doubt.
Back up by eight, 57-49 with 1:05 to go, CSI then survived its final scare of the night. An off-balance three-ball by Duane Rhoden nipped the lead to 57-52 with :56 remaining. After a quick foul, CSI missed both ends of a free-throw opportunity, and Rhoden raced the length of the court and put in an improbable lay-up as he was fouled by Gari Blackett, to cut the lead to 57-54. Rhoden completed the three-point play to cut the lead to a single basket, 57-55, with :35 left on the clock. CSI then seemed to turn the ball over after an errant pass by Kyle Yocum was intercepted by Lockett, but the ball bounced off of Lockett's fingertips into Weismuller's hands, and another foul by Lehman sent Weismuller to the line. Weismuller hit one of two, and after nearly turning the ball over on the possession before, CSI's Kyle Yocum came up with a terrfic steal of Rhoden to virtually insure CSI of the win. Four foul shots later, CSI emerged victorious.
In the final count, Weismuller led all scorers with 27 points, his third highest point output of the season, while also posting 13 rebounds and a pair of steals. Robert Mesjasz added 13 points and four steals, while Blackett posted 16 rebounds for the Dolphins. For Lehman, Rhoden notched a team-high 23 points, with Lockett not far behind with 19 markers. Lenny Gonzalez led the assault on the boards, with 12 caroms.
The win by CSI will now pit them in the semifinals with No. 3 Baruch College, a 66-58 overtime winner over No. 6 John Jay College earlier in the evening. The game will take place on Wednesday, February 21, at 7:30pm at the City College of New York. In the other quarterfinal games, No. 1 York College soundly defeated No. 8 Hunter College, 81-62. While No. 4 City College of New York used a late surge to ward of No. 5 NYC College of Technology, 70-61. The two winning teams will face off in the 5:30om game on Wednesday.
CUNY Tournament Results--Quarterfinals
York 81, Hunter 62
Hunter trailed by only six at the half (31-25), but faltered badly after the intermission. York repeatedly scored inside against the Hawks, who have a lot of trouble defending in the paint. The Cardinals got big games from Jeffrey Boone (22 points) and Jonathan Christian (16 points). Chris Garrick was high man for Hunter with 16 points. The Hawks were 6-0 in conference play with Chris Bernard and 0-7 without him.
CCNY 70, City Tech 61
This game was close from the start until CCNY opened up some breathing room in the final minute or so. City Tech led at the half, 31-29, but shot a horrid 27% from the floor in the second half, while CCNY shot a blistering 60% in the closing stanza. The Beavers got a big game from guard James Boddie with 25 points and Taleek Norman added 19 despite playing only 23 minutes. Otis Saylee and Ryan Phillip both had 21 points to lead City Tech.
Baruch 66, John Jay 58 (OT)
This was a very competitive game from the opening tip. John Jay had trouble shooting the ball the entire game, but still could have gotten the victory despite shooting only 28% from the floor. Baruch got an outstanding effort from Brian Forrestal (18 points) and a solid performance by Ben Crane (11 points and six assists). The Bearcats' best player, Carl Emengo, played only three minutes because he suffered a shoulder injury. Alex Valerio was the high scorer for the Bloodhounds with 14 points. Kelvin Luna and Vaughn Mason were next with 11 each.
Staten Island 62, Lehman 55
This was also a very close game that went down to the wire. Lehman was down by only three and had possession with about 20 seconds remaining but turned the ball over. Staten Island got a solid performance by Sean Weismuller. Duane Rhoden put in a nice effort for Lehman.
The road to the NCAA Division III men's basketball tournament suddenly appears a lot less bumpier for the College of Staten Island.
Of course, this is a basketball team that a month ago couldn't have hit more potholes if it tried -- losing seven of eight games and dropping to a 7-12 overall record.
Now, improbably, the Dolphins are riding a seven-game winning streak into tomorrow's 7:45 p.m. CUNY Conference Tournament semifinal at City College against Baruch, which likely will be missing its best player.
Second-seeded CSI (14-12) meets third-seeded Baruch (11-15) with a spot in the tourney finale Friday night at stake. Either top-seeded York (16-10) or fourth-seeded host City College (12-13) will be waiting, with the conference champion earning an automatic bid to the NCAAs.
Baruch is the only team still standing that the Dolphins haven't defeated this season -- the result of a 77-64 defeat a month ago in Manhattan. But the Bearcats aren't expected to have senior guard Carl Emengo, who torched CSI with 19 points and 11 assists during a second-half explosion that night.
Emengo injured his right shoulder in the opening minutes of the team's 66-58 quarterfinal victory over John Jay in overtime, and didn't return.
The Dolphins, meanwhile, were surviving their own quarterfinal battle, outlasting seventh-seeded Lehman, 62-55.
Which brings us back to the intriguing possibility of CSI qualifying for its first NCAA appearance since the 2001-02 season. The program has qualified nine times, including four since 1994-95 under head coach Tony Petosa.
The Dolphins would head to the national tourney with a 16-12 record, their worst qualifying won-loss mark ever, but would be neither complaining nor apologizing.
CSI split with York during the regular season, losing a closer-than-it-sounds 69-57 game in Queens and then blowing out the Cardinals, 74-58, two weeks ago at home.
But that's getting one step ahead of the game.
First comes Baruch, which has won five straight in a series CSI has dominated 40-13. The Bearcats would be scrambling without Emengo, especially against a team that has shot 52.2 percent while holding opponents to 40.5 accuracy during the current seven-game winning streak.
The road to the NCAA tourney, indeed, appears a lot less bumpier. ------
NOTES: The York-City College game starts tomorrow's semifinal round at 5:30 at CCNY's Nat Holman Gymnasium ... CSI owns a dominating 47-17 overall CUNY tourney record, including a record 11 championships. But the last title -- and automatic NCAA bid -- came in 2001-02 ... Proving that defense does matter, CSI is 35-5 all-time in tourney history when holding opponents under 70 points ... The Dolphins are 15-8 in semifinal games.
Courtesy of Jim Waggoner of the SI Advance, Thanks Jim for your excellent coverage of CSI basketball.
In regards to the CSI-Baruch game...am I the only one who chuckling that a guy named Hennessee and a guy named Schatz (shots) are playing in the same game?
And I don't think Baruch has the horses inside to stay with CSI. Forrestal and Schatz are crafty, but I don't think they have the raw talent to keep Blackett off the offensive boards, and Weismuller from getting 20 and 10.
Baruch put up a good fight, but did not have enough. Emengo was injured and gave it his best, but the pain on his face said it all. With a healthy Emengo and Kunkel, it could have been different. Good luck to CSI.
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A couple of comments about tonight's championship game:
#1 York (17-10, 10-3) vs. #2 Staten Island (15-12, 9-4)
This is a matchup between the two top seeds. Staten Island has won eight games in a row. The two teams split during the regular season with each team winning on its home floor. York won 69-57 on January 5 and CSI won 74-58 on February 7. York, which has the toughest out-of-conference schedule in CUNY, won their first seven conference games, but went only 3-3 in their final six regular season conference contests.
This game features the three leading scorers in CUNY: York's Jeffrey Boone (18 ppg), CSI's Sean Weismuller (18 ppg) and York's Dennis Echols (17 ppg); the league's leading rebounder: CSI's Gari Blackett (12 rpg); and the league's leader in assists: York's Michael Salamanca (6 apg). Other players to keep an eye on: York's Aaron Wilson and Teron Simpson, both of whom are good outside shooters, as well as Jonathan Christian, who can hit a mid-range jumper and score inside. For CSI there's Robert Mesjasz, who is a good outside shooter and Mike Jones, a pretty versatile all-around player.
Wow...a halfcourt buzzer beating, game winning, championship clinching 3 pointer by York to win. Wow. I don't think I'll ever see anything that crazy again in my life. Simply, spectacular.
well i been quiet for the past two weeks or more but york did wut i said they would do and that is win the cuny. i know it seem like it was a lucky shot but if it wasnt suppose to go in it wouldnt have and now york is ready for the ncaa. Echols would have been the mvp of that game he owned gari that game gari couldnt do anything with echols he carried his team on his bac the whole game. i told u all that york is the team that has the best chance in the ncaa now lets see
Quote from: TheBeast on February 25, 2007, 06:25:20 AM
well i been quiet for the past two weeks or more but york did wut i said they would do and that is win the cuny. i know it seem like it was a lucky shot but if it wasnt suppose to go in it wouldnt have and now york is ready for the ncaa. Echols would have been the mvp of that game he owned gari that game gari couldnt do anything with echols he carried his team on his bac the whole game. i told u all that york is the team that has the best chance in the ncaa now lets see
Let's just say that York has its work cut out for them this Friday in Mahwah. The Cardinals will be facing a solid team in Ramapo. The Roadrunners have an edge in size, quickness, athleticism and depth. These two teams met during the regular season at Ramapo on January 15, and the Roadrunners came away with a 81-62 victory. This year Ramapo is 5-0 vs. the CUNYAC and they won every game by at least 15 points. Does York have a chance to win? Sure, but they're a pretty sizeable underdog.
Throw in the conference's history of ineptness in the postseason, York is a pretty sizeable underdog is an understatement. They have 2 dynamic scorers in the pivot, a good perimeter shooter, and a crafty point guard so they have a chance. Even if they lose, the fact that they made it on such an incredible shot should be enough for the Cardinals to hang their hats on.
well it was a good year in cuny york are back to back champs Csi will win it next yr returning 4 staters
york will still compete for that third peat tho. I see that yorks Boone and Echols made all region team wow that is major for cuny the only two players on frist team. now its the offseaon let see who comes out ready next yr it should be a very good yr again holla
First off how come the traffic in this forum is so slow??
Next can anyone shed some light on the movement of teams throughout the NEAC, Skyline, and this new conference etc? Polytech, Purchase, Kings Point, Stevens, Centenary.....?
I was perusing the site, how many more years do you give a coach who is 3 and 71 in his first 3 years? Just wondering.
If a tree falls in the woods and noone is there to hear it does it make a sound?? If someone posts in the Atlantic section of Posting up.....does anyone see it?
There's been a fair amount of discussion about the Landmark Conference on the Mid-Atlantic board and our blog, the Daily Dose.
The conferences in this region don't generate a lot of traffic, it's true. But don't give up. There may be lurkers out there who get drawn in when there's a new poster.
With some of these schools -- and Centenary seems to be who you're talking about though we have him at 5-69 -- athletics simply isn't much of a priority.
Who is the king of King's county?
I have heard there used to b e a king of king's tourney every year. This would be a GREAT tourney i feel.
any info on the Brooklyn teams this year?
Brooklyn College
Medgar Evers
St Joseph's Brooklyn
Polytech
City Tech
Any news, seeing as how im transplanted would be appreciated and would love to talk about these guys, this section of posting up is a snoozer!
I think this would be a great idea to revive!
The Coach at Brooklyn College intends to revive it as soon as their new Athletics complex is finished, which may be late in 2008. He already has gotten verbals from most of the Brooklyn Schools about it and everyone wants to bring it back.
Here is a reason to root for John Jay this season. The following article appears in the new York Daily News on 11/11/07.
From Iraq to John Jay, Jaeger has gone from boy to man
BY WAYNE COFFEY
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, November 11th 2007, 8:50 AM
Four flights over 10th Ave., the soldier-turned-freshman fires up a three-pointer from the left corner, and an instant later, is sprinting 94 feet, forcing a turnover at the other end.
Now here he comes back the other way, tattooed arms pumping, face grimacing from exertion, muscling into rebounding position at the end of a fast break.
There are faster players on the John Jay College basketball team than Bronx-born Chris Jaeger, and better athletes. However, nobody on the team - maybe nobody in the whole city - is better at the transition game.
Is there another ballplayer who comes to the courts of CUNY via Fallujah and Ramadi, and a hellhole of a place called Camp Combat Outpost? Who went from being an all-Nassau County star at Hicksville High to a life-saving Army infantryman west of Baghdad?
Who saw more death in a year in the Iraqi desert than he can ever recount, and will compete this year with a tattoo that says 6/1/2005 on his left bicep?
[remainder removed to protect newspaper's copyright]
Heatlee, good post...Next time, just post the link, as we don't usually run articles in full (from other sources) on Posting Up.
Especially for Wayne Coffey, who's been a friend to Division III in the past.
CUNYAC teams went 1-6 yesterday against out-of-conference teams. Staten Island got the sole victory beating Hood, 81-73 in overtime.
Hunter lost to Amherst last night 103-79 but beat SUNY-PURCHASE in the consolation game 80-43. They take on Manhattanville on Tuesday and then Wilkes next Saturday. Any predictions or possible pre-season CUNY rankings.
Quote from: xalva66 on November 17, 2007, 06:04:08 PM
Hunter lost to Amherst last night 103-79 but beat SUNY-PURCHASE in the consolation game 80-43. They take on Manhattanville on Tuesday and then Wilkes next Saturday. Any predictions or possible pre-season CUNY rankings.
I haven't seen any CUNYAC teams play this year, so I'm not making any predictions. My guess is that there's going to be a lot of parity this year. What's your take on Hunter this year? Except for Ciraleglio and Evans they have an entirely new team.
havent seen them play yet but only losing to the defending national champions by 23 isnt a bad start.
John Jay is 2-0 this year against NJAC teams. The Bloodhounds beat Montclair State, 72-62, on Nov. 17 and they beat Ramapo, 80-75, last night at Ramapo. Both victories are big for John Jay, but the latter win is more prestigious and a pretty substantial upset.
Rhodes,
Did you see that Ramapo game in person?
Quote from: Truck on November 21, 2007, 02:34:19 PM
Rhodes,
Did you see that Ramapo game in person?
No. I saw William Paterson at City Tech last night.
This would be the best of the worst tournament. When did they run this Tourney? Brooklyn was D1 in basketball before they shut down teh program - half of their players were from Texas and the otehr schools in Brooklyn, with teh exception of St. Francis woudl have been blown out by possible triple digits.
The tournament was a DIII type tournament which featured Pratt when they were pretty decent in the early 90's, Medgar Evers, Polytechnic Univ. and St. Joseph's College. Now with Brooklyn College and New York City Tech, the idea is to get a local rivalry tournament going since these DIII games between the schools are very competitive and now they all belong to conferences. If you're looking for DI tourneys in Brooklyn, only two schools fit the profile. So as far as DIII fans go, King of Kings would be the best of DIII Brooklyn Schools.
I watched Stevens beat CCNY, 70-57, earlier this evening at City. The Ducks led all the way, but CCNY kept it reasonably close throughout the contest. Stevens did not look like a top 25 team and will have to play better if they want to rank among the nation's elite.
Stevens has far more size and talent than CCNY, but the visitors didn't put it together against the scrappy Beavers. Tim Williams and Virgil Gray played well for Stevens, but Waleed Farid, who is probably their best player, had a very poor outing.
City got decent performances from Xavier Gonzalez and Franklin Canales, but Taleek Norman, the leading scorer for the Beavers, struggled. CCNY is a young team with a lot of new faces. A lack of experience and a lack of size will probably hurt them this year.
Good grief - no comments on York beating NYU, at NYU - in my Midwestern/UAA oriented view of things, that has to be a huge upset!!??
Quote from: hopefan on November 28, 2007, 12:51:38 PM
Good grief - no comments on York beating NYU, at NYU - in my Midwestern/UAA oriented view of things, that has to be a huge upset!!??
Last year it would have been a huge upset, but not this year. NYU lost five of their top six players and their talent level has fallen dramatically. It seems certain that NYU is going to be in for a tough season.
After taking in the Stockton @ Baruch game, I went uptown to watch the Keystone @ Hunter game. The Hawks won their home opener, 82-79. These two teams are evenly matched and the game was close from the opening tip.
Hunter has a lot of new faces and actually has some muscle for the first time in years. Gerard Ciarleglio and Lance Evans are their only two returning players. As far as the newcomers go, Joseph DeLuca, Frantz Millien and Michael Dodd appear to be the best of the lot. DeLuca can score down low and has a pretty good outside touch. Millien is physical and can get you some garbage baskets. Dodd is a good three-point shooter who is accurate when he can plant his feet.
The best player on the floor, however, was Keystone's Tercel Taylor, a 5-10 shooting guard. Taylor is a good shooter who can run the floor and take it to the basket as well. He's a very good overall player and is only a freshman.
Does anyone have any info on Brooklyn? The Kingsmen are now 5-1 with wins against Greensboro and York (NY). It should be noted that Greensboro dealt #7 Guilford their only loss of the season this year.
very impressive. and then beating York last night. Looks like they are more competitive than they have been. How about City tech beating CSI? Hunter beat City pretty convincingly as well.
Last night I saw Hunter win its homecoming game against John Jay, 74-66. It was the third consecutive win for Hunter and the fourth straight loss for John Jay. The game was close from the start and the final score is somewhat deceptive because this game definitely could have gone either way.
Hunter has some muscle for the first time in years, but the Hawks are still vulnerable off the boards. They also appear to be a bit weak at the point guard and depth, once again, is a problem. Nonetheless there seems to be a bit more talent and energy than they've had recently. Last year after the team lost Chris Bernard they collapsed. This year it looks like there's more balance and confidence.
This was my first look at John Jay. The Bloodhounds are more physical and deeper than Hunter. Vaughn Mason is an athletic forward who is a versatile scorer. Hakeem Kased is one of the best big men in CUNY. Alex Valerio is a solid all-around player and Emilio Gomez is a talented point guard. The Bloodhounds are clearly getting better each year under Charles Jackson.
my sources tell me that hunter has two point guards that are inactive. I agree that they are a bit lacking at the pg position but they easily have one of the most balanced teams in the conference.
I watched Hunter defeat FDU-Florham, 83-76, earlier this evening. Hunter led almost the entire contest, and the game was tight until the very end. It was Hunter's fourth straight win. The Hawks haven't beaten any team that's particularly good, but a win is a win. It looks like they will be competitive in CUNY this year if their top players stay healthy.
Michael Dodd put in a very solid effort for Hunter. He hit quite a few threes, many of them with defenders in his face. He looked very good tonight and could be the team's top player. Besides Dodd, Ciarleglio, Millien and Evans contributed as well.
With the loss, FDU-Florham falls to 1-8. Needless to say, it look like the Devils are going to struggle this year. This team is a little short on talent and has eight freshman.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2007, 01:55:58 PM
Does anyone have any info on Brooklyn? The Kingsmen are now 5-1 with wins against Greensboro and York (NY). It should be noted that Greensboro dealt #7 Guilford their only loss of the season this year.
Brooklyn also beat CSI last week, a team that has crucified them in recent years. They've won 6 in a row and look like the class of CUNY. Returning player Baptiste is a versatile forward and their best all-around player. However, the kid nisbett, a transfer from nyack, is probably the major reason for brooklyn's surge this year. He gives BK a nice one-two punch offensively and plays great D. The CUNyis wide open this year. It's gonna make for a great second half.
Quote from: CityD3 on December 14, 2007, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2007, 01:55:58 PM
Does anyone have any info on Brooklyn? The Kingsmen are now 5-1 with wins against Greensboro and York (NY). It should be noted that Greensboro dealt #7 Guilford their only loss of the season this year.
Brooklyn also beat CSI last week, a team that has crucified them in recent years. They've won 6 in a row and look like the class of CUNY. Returning player Baptiste is a versatile forward and their best all-around player. However, the kid nisbett, a transfer from nyack, is probably the major reason for brooklyn's surge this year. He gives BK a nice one-two punch offensively and plays great D. The CUNyis wide open this year. It's gonna make for a great second half.
I don't know if the Kingsmen are the best team in the conference, but they're clearly very much improved. It looks like they've come a long way from their traditional doormat status. I haven't seen them play yet, but I'll definitely check them out when I get the chance.
Last night I saw Baruch win at home against CCNY, 92-79. The Bearcats led all the way and had too much size, talent and depth for City. George Kunkel and Phil Schatz were able to score almost at will inside against the overmatched Beavers. Mike Dietz also played well for Baruch, demonstrating a good outside shooting touch.
City hustled and put in a good effort, but were thoroughly outmanned. The Beavers are very small, have a lot of young players and lack serviceable big men. It looks like it's going to be a long season for CCNY this year.
Quote from: CityD3 on December 14, 2007, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2007, 01:55:58 PM
Does anyone have any info on Brooklyn? The Kingsmen are now 5-1 with wins against Greensboro and York (NY). It should be noted that Greensboro dealt #7 Guilford their only loss of the season this year.
Brooklyn also beat CSI last week, a team that has crucified them in recent years. They've won 6 in a row and look like the class of CUNY. Returning player Baptiste is a versatile forward and their best all-around player. However, the kid nisbett, a transfer from nyack, is probably the major reason for brooklyn's surge this year. He gives BK a nice one-two punch offensively and plays great D. The CUNyis wide open this year. It's gonna make for a great second half.
you're right, the CUNY is wide open. It will be interesting to see how the 2nd half plays out now that teams have a feel of their identity because at first it looked like baruch and hunter as well dropped some early games but are now gettin in the win column. I've watched baruch,hunter,johnjay,ccny so far. ive been impressed with Hunter and their completely revamped roster., i hope they'll be able to keep guys for a full season for once. their guards are scrappy, young and maturing, they hustle. BUT my pick to come out the north conference is Baruch,with the senior leadership and kunkel playing well.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 14, 2007, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: CityD3 on December 14, 2007, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 05, 2007, 01:55:58 PM
Does anyone have any info on Brooklyn? The Kingsmen are now 5-1 with wins against Greensboro and York (NY). It should be noted that Greensboro dealt #7 Guilford their only loss of the season this year.
Brooklyn also beat CSI last week, a team that has crucified them in recent years. They've won 6 in a row and look like the class of CUNY. Returning player Baptiste is a versatile forward and their best all-around player. However, the kid nisbett, a transfer from nyack, is probably the major reason for brooklyn's surge this year. He gives BK a nice one-two punch offensively and plays great D. The CUNyis wide open this year. It's gonna make for a great second half.
I don't know if the Kingsmen are the best team in the conference, but they're clearly very much improved. It looks like they've come a long way from their traditional doormat status. I haven't seen them play yet, but I'll definitely check them out when I get the chance.
Speaking of Brooklyn, word on the street is there is some big news going on in terms of transfers in the CUNY and it could have major post season implications. Key player transferring from one school to another.
BklynBasketball: Are you saying that this key transfer played the first half of the season at one school and will play the second half of the season at another?
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 19, 2007, 02:28:57 PM
BklynBasketball: Are you saying that this key transfer played the first half of the season at one school and will play the second half of the season at another?
thats the word on the streets
Quote from: BklynBasketball on December 20, 2007, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 19, 2007, 02:28:57 PM
BklynBasketball: Are you saying that this key transfer played the first half of the season at one school and will play the second half of the season at another?
thats the word on the streets
It doesn't seem possible that a player can play the first half of the season at one CUNY school and then play the second half at another CUNY school.
HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THE VAST IMRPOVEMENT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AT BROOKLYN THIS YEAR? THEY ARE A TRUE FORCED TO BE RECKONED WITH NOW, NOT JUST IN THE CUNY BUT IN THE ATLANTIC REGION AS WELL.
Quote from: D3HOOPSCOOP on December 21, 2007, 09:31:25 PM
HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THE VAST IMRPOVEMENT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AT BROOKLYN THIS YEAR? THEY ARE A TRUE FORCED TO BE RECKONED WITH NOW, NOT JUST IN THE CUNY BUT IN THE ATLANTIC REGION AS WELL.
QuoteHas anyone else noticed the vast improvement that has taken place at Brooklyn this year? They are a true force to be reckoned with now, not just in the CUNYAC, but in the Atlantic Region as well.
Welcome to the boards. (The terms of service outline the use of upper case, CAPS.)
The problem with the CUNYAC is that it has been a long time since the CUNYAC has been a perennial power in D-III. (Gregory Sager has the data in his archives.)
I understand your statement. However, all I am saying is that they are a great team. They beat Greensboro, a team that went on to defeat Guilford (then # 3 in the nation). They have also defeated York, last years CUNY Champion, I was at that game and Brooklyn controlled their game since their pre-game layup line. And they defeated CSI, last year's CUNY runner up.
Brooklyn is a team with exceptional depth and talent, they can go 10, 11 deep. I think it would be prudent of everyone in the area to take note of Brooklyn and go to see them. They should be the favorite to be the last one standing at CCNY at the end of the year and go on to make some noise in the NCAA's.
Greensboro is definitely the best team they've played so far. The CUNYAC on the national scene is ... well, not really on the national scene at all. Being the best of the CUNYAC isn't an automatic bid to the Top 25 at this point.
Force to be reckoned with in the Atlantic? Maybe, but the Atlantic is a small region.
Posted by: Pat Coleman Posted on: Today at 01:32:51 pm
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Greensboro is definitely the best team they've played so far. The CUNYAC on the national scene is ... well, not really on the national scene at all. Being the best of the CUNYAC isn't an automatic bid to the Top 25 at this point.
Force to be reckoned with in the Atlantic? Maybe, but the Atlantic is a small region.
Pat, Have you seen Brooklyn play this season? Or are you simply going by what you read in the box scores? Brooklyn has dominated their competition in every game, except their game against CSI, which they did not play well in until the last 5 minutes of the game.
Even the loss to Old Westbury, their first game of the season and their only loss, Brooklyn controlled the game the entire first half, and if it were not for sizzling shooting on the part of the Panthers, Brooklyn would be 7-0.
I'm going by the scores, which is more than enough. Dominating lower-level competition isn't enough to get "force to be reckoned with" status.
Rhodes Scholar -- I trust your unbiased opinion. What have you seen?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2007, 05:04:41 PM
Rhodes Scholar -- I trust your unbiased opinion. What have you seen?
Pat: I haven't seen Brooklyn this year, so I can only go by the scores.
Right now, the Bridges are 6-1. They have three wins against very weak teams: Polytechnic, SUNY-Purchase and Rutgers-Camden. Even though they beat all three pretty easily, these wins are still not that impressive. They also have two wins over CUNYAC rivals York and CSI. They beat York on the road by nine and beat CSI at home by two. These two wins pushed Brooklyn atop the CUNYAC standings, a rather unfamiliar spot for Brooklyn. The sixth win comes against Greensboro, a team which defeated nationally ranked Guilford earlier in the season, but is currently only 4-4 and has suffered blowout losses to Plattsburgh State and Emory & Henry, and lost to Oneonta State in their last game. Brooklyn's lone loss was to Old Westbury.
Judging solely by the scores, this does not appear to be your typical Brooklyn team. It is almost certain that the Bridges are much better than they've been in recent years. They may very well be the top team in the CUNYAC, but it's too early to be sure. If Brooklyn is an outstanding team we'll find out soon enough.
Speaking of transfers. Word on the street is that Sean Weismuller is leaving Staten Island and is going to play at Brooklyn College next semester. Has anyone heard this type of news. Is it possible for one play to play for one college and the next semester (in the same season) transfer to another within the conference. I guess it is legal as long as the player is academically eligible, I just have never heard of anything like this before.
xalva66: The rumor of a top-flight player transferring to Brooklyn was mentioned earlier, but the player was not named. Like you, I have no idea if it's permissible for a player to play the first half of the season at one CUNY school and then play the second half of the season at another CUNY school. I've never heard of it, but maybe it's perfectly legitimate.
Division III rules don't prohibit this, but on occasion conferences have rules about when one can play after transferring between conference schools.
No idea if the CUNYAC has such a rule.
http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/1197890595243850.xml&coll=1 (http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/1197890595243850.xml&coll=1)
That confirms the word on the street...
finally am back i was on last season i was the beast now i got wisdom lol ok now lets talk basketball i saw brooklyn college play and yes they are good but they have no size i saw them play york and csi they could have lost both games york started out really slow and the csi coach kept gari blackett on the bench untill 2min left in the game but it is a young season and let not foget brooklyn college always start out strong then go on a lossing streak but lets see what happen come playoffs. oh yea sean is not goin to transfer i know him personally i talk to him every day and he has not told me anything.
oh my fault i guess am wrong my fault i read the paper look like sean is leavin csi what the hell is that coach doin over echols left now sean that program is in a down fall they need help so now lets see if sean go to brooklyn that make them even better with a big time post player hmmm it gonna be very fun to watch
atnwriter: Thanks for the link. Waggoner does an excellent job of covering CSI for the S.I. Advance.
Wisdom: No doubt that Weismuller is one of the top players in CUNY, but we'll have to wait and see how he fits in with Brooklyn. Sometimes there are chemistry issues, so landing a top player doesn't always translate into immediate victores. Also, doesn't Weismuller play out on the perimeter more often than in the low post? I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember him setting up around the foul line rather than down low.
I understand the logic that D3 schools allow transfers and can play in the same semester but shouldnt CUNY have some sort of rule that you cant transfer between CUNY schools in the same season and be able to play. It just seems a little funny to me.
I don't think the lack of a restriction is unusual in any way. There aren't many leagues that restrict intraconference transfers.
Just read the article and it says this
QuoteThe NCAA Division III CUNY Conference is believed to be the only collegiate league in the country that allows student-athletes to transfer among member institutions and become eligible to play during the course of the same school year.
I know the article says that but that doesn't mean it's accurate. It doesn't say who is doing the believing, just that it "is believed." The believer may not be well informed.
well i talk to sean last night and he def is leaving csi he had it with the coach when i was there i could play for him either so i understand what sean is goin thur if sean is not on the csi team they are in trouble york won there frist game in cali they are a good team they are gettin one of there player bac from last yr champioship team wilson and i see them return to the top of the pack in cuny but lets see how it turn out.
ps to the rhode yea you are right sean played out next to the freethrow line because thats how csi run there offence so let not get ahead of our self before we know any other details about this whole thing later
I didn't see the game but Brooklyn College suffered its second defeat of the season yesterday falling to SUNY-Maritime, 70-68. Not the result one would expect from a much-improved Brooklyn team. Once again, time will tell how good the Bridges really are. The addition of Weismuller is one more piece of the puzzle.
Another interesting result from CUNYAC action yesterday was Williams' 73-70 win over Lehman at the Apex. Williams is ranked #7 in the country and was taken to the wire by the Lightning, who were a big-time underdog. I'm sure most people were expecting a larger margin of victory for the Ephs, but Lehman made the visitors sweat this one out.
Williams continues its NYC road trip with a game against CCNY today at 1:00 PM.
I watched Williams rout CCNY 84-51 earlier this afternoon. Williams led 34-24 at the intermission, but City scored the first seven points of the half to make it 34-31 with 18:22 remaining. Over the next seven minutes, the Ephs went on a 27-4 run to break the game wide open.
Williams had a huge edge in size, skills and depth over City. The Ephs scored inside and outside against the hopelessly outgunned Beavers. Chris Rose led the way for Williams with 26 points, including eight three-pointers. Joe Geohagen was next with 11 points.
CCNY was led by Xavier Gonzalez with 15 points followed by Taleek Norman with 12.
york won the championship in cail they are about to turn it up so cuny look out csi lost both games this weekend they are in trouble like i said and brooklyn lost to a weaker oppent so now what for the cuny what is the verdict with sean and brooklyn college do anybody know if he gonna play because i couldnt get in contact with him this weekend
I understand he was on the bench in street clothes for the first game. Don't know after that.
well i know is that he not on the roster no more so i wonder what is goin on i guess we have to wait untill classes resume untill he can play
WISDOMISTHEKEY
FOR THE HOLIDAYS I WILL BUY YOU HOOKED ON PHONICS.
Or to put it a little nicer...
Wisdom...Pat always gets on me, when I submit my Around the Nation columns, for not putting periods at the end of a few sentences.
You and I share the same weakness, apparently. Appreciate the enthusiasm, since the CUNYAC board is not a frequent stop for most, but please make your posts a little more "reader-friendly."
:)
Well lets see where I should begin. I dont know who you are and you dont know me. I can write just fine so watch your mouth!. I did not know posting up remarks would be getting graded, and while posting I be in a rush while typing because of my job. So thats about it for this section if you want to talk basketball lets talk. But When it comes to respect basketball goes out the window just watch your mouth or just meet me face to face d3hoopscoop and i will be happy to discuss it with u lol. seriously have respect man its a crazy world out here. oh yea if you didnt notice xmas came and past lmfao just kidding.
Antwriter thanks for the concern butlike i said early, am always in a rush but thanks for talking or should i say typing with respect. have a good new year man god bless
Happy New year to you all
I'm just joshin with you feller. Nobody cares about your lack of eloquence during your posts as long as you know your basketball..
Happy New Year to All. !
Totals through 12/31
CUNYAC vs.
NJAC....3-17
Skyline....10-7
i wasnt serious either i just stating the facts. But i do know basketball i played in the cunyac, and other places so i know the game. So lets get back to basketball talk. Rhodes what is the all time record that the cunyac has aganist other conferences.
Wisdom: I have no idea what the all-time CUNYAC out-of-conference record is. I've only been keeping track for the last four or five years of how the three Atlantic region conferences have done against each other.
Although the NJAC is weaker than it once was, it is still the premier conference in the Atlantic. The Skyline has been a little stronger than the CUNYAC in recent years, but that may have changed due to the defections of Stevens and Manhattanville.
I am wondering if anybody has any infomation on sean goin to brooklyn college. cuny action picks up tonight it's the second have now lets see who comes to play, i think york will win the second have now that wilson has return. he prove to be a great shooter last season and i feel that york whas missing that in the first half of the year. So lets get to it i will be at the game at york tonight to see how they look.
There's a full slate of games today in the CUNYAC (conference records in parentheses):
Hunter (2-0) @ Lehman (1-1)
These two teams appear to be middle of the pack. Unlike last year's post-Chris Bernard team, this year's Hunter team should be competitive in conference play. Lehman took #5 Williams to the wire in their last game so they may be better than their record indicates.
John Jay (0-2) @ CCNY (1-2)
The Bloodhounds beat Montclair State and Ramapo at the beginning of the season, but have lost seven of their last eight games. City has only one win the whole year and appears to be in for a long season.
New York City Tech (1-1) @ Brooklyn (2-0)
City Tech beat CSI and lost to CCNY earlier in the season. Brooklyn has wins over York and CSI (as well as Greensboro), but lost to SUNY-Maritime in their last game.
Medgar Evers (0-2) @ CSI (0-2)
Medgar Evers has one win the whole year. CSI lost to City Tech and Brooklyn earlier. It'll be interesting to see how the Dolphins fare without Weismuller the rest of the way.
Baruch (3-0) @ York (1-1)
This is the premier matchup of the day. Baruch is coming off two tough defeats in California. York beat Nichols and George Fox in their last two games.
Scores from 1/3
Hunter 81, Lehman 73
John Jay 63, CCNY 62
NYC Tech 92, Brooklyn 88
CSI 87, Megar Evers 63
York 66, Baruch 55
After yesterday's action: Hunter remains the only undefeated team in conference play. John Jay gets back in the win column. Tough loss for City because this was certainly a winnable game for the Beavers. More doubts emerge about Brooklyn as the Bridges lose at home to City Tech. CSI picks up a much-needed win over Medgar Evers. York makes a statement at home against Baruch.
I watched the Baruch @ York game last night. York took advantage of their big edge in athleticism over Baruch and was in control from the start. The Cardinals had quite a few double-digit leads and withstood a couple of Baruch runs before coasting to victory.
Baruch's front line had a lot of trouble matching up with York's big men. Phil Schatz, the Bearcats' leading scorer, played only nine minutes and didn't score. Mike Dietz, a good perimeter scorer, started but did not score. Baruch did manage to make a few runs when they had their quicker, more athletic players on the floor, but they wilted down the stretch.
It was my first look at the Cardinals this year and I thought they looked good. They are athletic and physical, and have pretty good size and depth. Mike Salamanca is a very savvy point guard. Omari Phipps is a physical power forward who can score inside and rebound. Marcel Esonwune is an athletic big man. Chris Roberts is a versatile forward and Aaron Wilson can put points on the board.
A lot of balance in the CUNY conference this year. Three undefeated teams before last night's games and two of them have been defeated. York defeating Baruch and City Tech beating Brooklyn shows a lot of parity in the league.
i been saying that york had a good team since i saw the play this year, they have size and now a shooter in wilson. i really cant explain how brooklyn college beat them. wait yes i can york simply york played soft that game now they are back to playing cardinals basketball, Coach St john has really build him a power program in the cuny, i say that to say this york will win a third staight championship this mark my words. But on another note the pg from city tech hall i really dont think anybody can stop this guy. he had 39 last night he was lights out once he gets going. there are going to be alot of good games saturday i have to which one i will choose to go see
There are four conference games on tap for Sat 1/5 (conference records in parentheses):
Lehman (1-1) @ John Jay (1-1)
These two teams are evenly matched. Both are middle-of-the-pack teams.
York (2-1) @ CSI (1-2)
York may very well be the best team in the conference but don't count CSI out yet. It'll be interesting to see how the Dolphins play without Weismuller.
Hunter (3-0) @ Brooklyn (2-1)
The Hawks are the only unbeaten team in conference play. Their three conference wins were against CCNY, John Jay and Lehman so this may be their toughest test. A win by the Bridges will help stem their eroding credibility while a loss will lead many to write them off as the "same old Brooklyn."
City Tech (2-1) @ Medgar Evers (0-3)
A win by City Tech will help establish them as possible contenders. Medgar Evers needs a win for morale, if nothing else.
Checking the scores today, I noticed that Brooklyn seemed to handle Hunter pretty easily. Brooklyn had 5 players in double figures and put up 94 points on Hunter.
Was anyone at the game? How did it go?
Does this mean that Brooklyn is not in fact a PRETENDER, but instead they are legit CONTENDERS ?
Scores from 1/5
Brooklyn 94, Hunter 75
CSI 88, York 82
Lehman 86, John Jay 77 (OT)
NYC Tech 79, Medgar Evers 74
CUNYAC Records
Baruch 3-1
Brooklyn 3-1
Hunter 3-1
NYC Tech 3-1
CSI 2-2
York 2-2
John Jay 1-3
CCNY 1-3
Medgar Evers 0-4
Quote from: D3HOOPSCOOP on January 05, 2008, 06:23:13 PM
Checking the scores today, I noticed that Brooklyn seemed to handle Hunter pretty easily. Brooklyn had 5 players in double figures and put up 94 points on Hunter.
Was anyone at the game? How did it go?
Does this mean that Brooklyn is not in fact a PRETENDER, but instead they are legit CONTENDERS ?
I watched Brooklyn dismantle Hunter yesterday. Hunter was simply not prepared for the game. Brooklyn pressed the Hawks from start to finish and were in control from the start. The Bridges up-tempo offense and swarming defense had the Hawks unsettled for much of the game. Hunter made a few runs but Brooklyn withstood them and broke the game wide open down the stretch.
Richard Jean-Baptiste is athletic with good basketball skills and is one of the best players in the conference. Daniel Nesbit is a solid all-around player who can shoot the three. Thomas Guerin is a versatile hard-nosed player. Corey McFarlane can penetrate and pass the ball or take a defender off the dribble.
It looks like this Brooklyn team is one of the best teams in the conference. The Bridges are quick and athletic and will present matchup problems for a lot of teams this year. It will be interesting to see how Weismuller fits in when he becomes eligible to play.
impressive win for CSI post-weismuller. three players scoring 20 or more for csi, with blackett totaling 23 and 16.
i dont know whats goin on with york. they should have won that game on sat but csi came to play on that day. lets see three player had 20 looks like they are going to play small ball, and it look like gari will have to put that team on his back, if they wont a chance at a championship. the cuny might be wide open i thought that york had it hands down but, it looks like they just dont have the spunk this year. but the cuny games are very close this yr lets see what happens when sean is able to play this year.
I saw the Brooklyn/Hunter game as well and Brooklyn did dominate Hunter. Hunter cut it to 7 before a buzzer beating half court shot put Brooklyn up by 10 going into the half. Brooklyn then just took over the game completely in the second half. The one question Brooklyn is going to have to answer is whether or not they will be succesful on the road. They have a full court defensive press that has been very effective and forced hunter into 24 turnovers. For all of those who have been at Roosevelt Hall in Brooklyn College, it is a very small court in comparison to other courts in the league. The CUNYAC playoffs are going to be played at CCNY which has a huge facility and a much larger court. That will be a true test to them. They are 1-2 on the road but the one win did come at York.
Hunter lost a tough one to Connecticut College tonight. It was a close game throughout the first 30 minutes or so, with Hunter even taking a short lead in the second half, but Connecticut College blew it open in the last 7 or so minutes.
There is a possibility of some huge news coming out of the Hunter Basketball program that is going to have an enormous impact on the entire CUNY conference. I do not want to let the cat out of the bag until the information is official but know that you heard it here first and that the CUNY basketball conference is going to take a big swing into one direction.
Let the countdown begin...
They found George Brown another year of eligibility?
no. but thats pretty funny. This is bigger than George Brown, Chris Bernard returning and Sean Weismuller going to Brooklyn, all combined.
The return of Chris Bernard would be a serious boost for Hunter. He is an excellent all-around player with no weaknesses.
Here's a stat I never tire of pointing out: Last year in conference play, Hunter was 6-0 with Chris Bernard and 0-7 without him (the rest of the roster remained unchanged).
Chris Bernard is a serious boost to Hunter College but this is bigger than Chris. Yes, it was a difficult time for Hunter without Chris Bernard, a record like that shows how important one player can be to a time and he is not just a scorer, he is a great talent and all-around player.
thats my gripe with the cuny. one semester a team is a beast and the next they lose players and stink, or they gain players and are strong. often playing a cuny school in the first semester and the second is different. transferring mid season inter-conference seems ridiculous to me too. I would love to see a cuny team sans transfers and players becoming ineligible win.
The big announcement is .....
Former Penn State PG and Archbishop Molloy standout Marlon Smith will be joining the Hunter Hawks for the rest of the season.
Marlon Smith playing for Hunter--that's pretty big news. If it's true, and I have no reason to doubt your word, he would be--by far--the biggest D1 transfer ever to transfer into the CUNYAC.
A couple of questions: Is Smith completely healthy? Why didn't he play at Fordham after transferring from Penn State? Is he a junior?
I really don't know the answers to those questions. That's someone from an administrative standpoint would know and I am not here or there. But I am very excited to see him play. Right now Hunter is 6-6 with a 3-1 CUNY record. Let's see how this all pans out.
wait now, is Bernard also returning for Hunter, will there be a Bernard-Smith backcourt in the CUNY? or was those whispers of a Bernard return just a fabrication?
I did not say anything about Chris Bernard returning to the team. Someone else mentioned it and I just said that it was bigger than Chris Bernard returning.
so the answer to my question would be no?
Quote from: xalva66 on January 08, 2008, 11:40:33 PM
I did not say anything about Chris Bernard returning to the team. Someone else mentioned it and I just said that it was bigger than Chris Bernard returning.
Quote from: D3HOOPSCOOP on January 09, 2008, 12:03:25 AM
so the answer to my question would be no?
I think xalva66 should answer your question. He's the one with the inside knowledge. His comments regarding Chris Bernard are somewhat cryptic, but if I had to guess I'd say that only Marlon Smith will be playing, and that--by itself--is pretty big news.
No Chris Bernard is NOT going to be coming in the second semester. I didnt mean to be critic. Nothing on the Hunter website yet but I will keep you all posted.
Quote from: sixfour on January 08, 2008, 04:53:18 PM
thats my gripe with the cuny. one semester a team is a beast and the next they lose players and stink, or they gain players and are strong. often playing a cuny school in the first semester and the second is different. transferring mid season inter-conference seems ridiculous to me too. I would love to see a cuny team sans transfers and players becoming ineligible win.
Amen to that. What is up with all of these roster moves and why does it seem that so few of these teams can build a program (with some exceptions, most notably Baruch and maybe York as well) and keep kids for more than a semester or 2? This is so far from the true intent of D3 sports. And these "BIG" moves always seem to end up backfiring on the teams that pull them. I remember John Jay brought that scorer from Iona in mid-semester a few years ago. They were already (arguably) the best team in the conference but adding this kid killed them and they got blown out in the 1st round of the CUNY tournament.
Hunter looked like they were really moving in the right direction last year and had a lot of solid young talent on their roster, even after losing Bernard. But then virtually the enitre roster turns over for this season. Where do the kids from last year's team go - do they stay in school? Why do they leave? Is it academics? How many of this year's roster will return? How long will Smith stay?
And who are the guys with all the "inside information"? How do they get this info? I have heard the argument that the sdchools can't have any continuity because they are primarily commuter schools, but then why can Baruch and York seem to keep so many guys for more than a semester or 2. It just doesn't look good and can't be good for the kids involved.
Anyway, just chiming in with sixfour on his take.
and there it is:
http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/athletics/teams/mn-bb/roster.shtml
Quote from: old school baller on January 09, 2008, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: sixfour on January 08, 2008, 04:53:18 PM
thats my gripe with the cuny. one semester a team is a beast and the next they lose players and stink, or they gain players and are strong. often playing a cuny school in the first semester and the second is different. transferring mid season inter-conference seems ridiculous to me too. I would love to see a cuny team sans transfers and players becoming ineligible win.
Amen to that. What is up with all of these roster moves and why does it seem that so few of these teams can build a program (with some exceptions, most notably Baruch and maybe York as well) and keep kids for more than a semester or 2? This is so far from the true intent of D3 sports. And these "BIG" moves always seem to end up backfiring on the teams that pull them. I remember John Jay brought that scorer from Iona in mid-semester a few years ago. They were already (arguably) the best team in the conference but adding this kid killed them and they got blown out in the 1st round of the CUNY tournament.
Hunter looked like they were really moving in the right direction last year and had a lot of solid young talent on their roster, even after losing Bernard. But then virtually the enitre roster turns over for this season. Where do the kids from last year's team go - do they stay in school? Why do they leave? Is it academics? How many of this year's roster will return? How long will Smith stay?
And who are the guys with all the "inside information"? How do they get this info? I have heard the argument that the sdchools can't have any continuity because they are primarily commuter schools, but then why can Baruch and York seem to keep so many guys for more than a semester or 2. It just doesn't look good and can't be good for the kids involved.
Anyway, just chiming in with sixfour on his take.
Both sixfour and old school baller make legitimate points. sixfour is correct in noting that there are a lot of roster changes in CUNY and a fair amount of players who flunk off the team. I also find the mid-season interconference transfer rule to be strange, but since it almost never occurs the point is more or less moot.
old school baller makes the valid point that very few schools keep players for two years much less four. I'd say Baruch does the best job in this area, although a few of the other schools do an OK job as well. Some reasons why Baruch is successful are the following: Baruch is a business school and will be able to get players who are looking to go into accounting, business, finance, etc. Baruch has an established program and gets a lot of players from the CHSAA, and these players tend to be more mature and academically inclined than their PSAL counterparts. Plus, Baruch doesn't really go after the D1 retreads who play for one year or half the year.
Another problem with player turnover is that some players simply can't cut it academically. They simply cannot do the classwork. Another problem is financial: some of the players work or can only play for a year before they go back to work full time. Also some are married and/or have children, which means they can only play a year before going back to work out of financial necessity.
I agree that wholesale roster changes are not in keeping with the spirit of D3. The same goes for midseason transfers and going after D1 retreads. But all of these things are legal actions.
I think it is just the evolution of Division III Basketball. The idea of mid-season acquisitions or losses are nothing new to the CUNYAC or any local Division III Institution. As the Rhodes-Scholar pointed out, there are many factors other than just academics that hinder these student-athletes from keeping themselves on the court and in many cases, basketball not the top priority in their lives.
However, there are some situations where basketball is the top priority and where the student-athlete is willing to transfer to another school based solely on the fact that they have a better team, than these are the types who diminish or tarnish the foundations of Division III.
When it comes down to it, none of these athletes are playing for money, contracts or fame. 99.9% will not go on to play in Europe, let a lone the NBA or D-League. So they have four-years to enjoy and play some ball, actually two-three years because by their fourth you would hope that life after basketball is becoming more of a focus than just the game.
For those who do not prepare for the future and focus solely on the game and not go to class or study, well those are the ones I truly feel sorry for. Those are the ones who are one and done and go from being player of the week to employee of the month at mcdonalds!
I watched Baruch crush NYC Tech, 95-65, earlier this evening at Baruch. The Bearcats were in control from the opening tap and were never really tested by the visiting Yellow Jackets. Tammer Farid, George Kunkel, Mike Dietz and Phil Schatz all put in solid efforts for Baruch. Baruch's defense, especially Eric Quintero and Laurence Smith, did an excellent job on City Tech's Jamaal Hall, holding him to only 11 points. Coming into the game Hall was the seventh in the nation in scoring, averaging 25 points per contest.
Here's an oddity I noticed from the program: City Tech's roster includes seven players who are 5' 11" or shorter.
So what your saying is that City Tech just came up a short against Baruch!
Yeah, I guess you could say they came up a bit short against Baruch.
Does your tag have anything to do with Queens College?
brooklyn college drops a conference home gameagainst john jay?!?!?!?! With CUNY player of the year weismuller, these losses should not happen. brooklyn has to be the clear cut favorite to win the conference, on paper at least. Coach podias finally has the talent to do it, butthey continue to like the same old bridges. they got a big game comin up against the north division leader baruch on saturday.
Rhodes, it does not have anything to do with Queens College, actually I have no CUNYAC affiliation, but this board has been hot lately so I decided to chime in.
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How is Brooklyn the clear cut winner on paper? Because they have Weismuller? You take someone who just transferred schools mid-season because he wasn't happy with his coach or the team's production and you think that an attitude like that is not going to affect Brooklyn and any sort of chemistry they already had going? This is the risk you run when adding a player mid season. Just like in the NBA, you trade for a guy in February, it usually hurts the team more than helps because there's no chemistry with that new player and the already existing ones. Especially since he played at one school less than a month ago.
I also enjoy people calling Baruch the North Division leader, they are only in first place at the moment because they have played more games than Hunter. I think the more important game at the moment for Brooklyn will be when they host City Tech on the 18th, if they lose again to the Yellow Jackets, they could be heading down a rough road, and let's face it, if they start losing, you might see Weismuller looking to transfer to York or City Tech down the road.
I don't think any team is a clear-cut favorite--on paper or otherwise. There's simply way too much parity this year. One night [fill in the blank] looks unbeatable and the next night they lose to a team that you were sure they'd beat.
I agree with Rhodes because there is parity all over the Conference and John Jay added two good players in Desir and Garcia who played huge roles in John Jay's win at Brooklyn. It was Sean Weismuller's first game with Brooklyn and he fouled out in less than 20 minutes. It looks like Weismuller has a ways to go to fit into Coach Podias' all out defensive pressure system, because the Bridges seemed to drop back the pressure when he was in the game vs. John Jay. There may be a lot of truth to what knight says about incorporating new players in mid-stream no matter how good the chemistry is.
Exactly, way too much parity. This is starting to look like the CUNYAC Men's Soccer season where pretty much any team could win on any night. Didn't know about John Jay's additions, but it seems a majority of the school's have made a couple of new additions for the second semester. We've seen their debut help John Jay to a win, we've seen Weismuller's debut end up in an early exit, all that is left now is the debut of Smith tonight when Hunter hosts Staten Island.
Hopefully in the end, we will all benefit from some competitive games and help bring some excitement to CUNYAC Basketball, not just aggravation for who is suiting for who.
can somebody tell me what the heck is going on here?
The Weismuller-less Dolphins take down the Hunter Hawks with the supposed savior Marlon Smith, the highly touted D1 transfer?
Are the Dolphins really better off without Weismuller? Is he perhaps the most overrated player in the region? Because let's face it folks, if your 6'8 265 pounds and are playing in the CUNY, a weak DIVISION III, school... you aren't THAT good, because if you were, you would be playing somewhere alot better than knicky knack schools such as CSI and now Brooklyn.
And are the Hunter Hawks now pretenders?
I watched CSI beat Hunter, 80-74, this evening. It was a competitive game between two evenly matched teams. The game was close from the start and featured a fair number of lead changes. It could have gone either way but the Dolphins were more focused done the stretch and managed to hit some big shots when they needed to.
Gari Blackett (18 pts) put in a very solid effort repeatedly scoring inside and rebounding well. Hunter tried numerous defenders against him (as well as a zone) but none managed to contain him. Robert Mesjasz (24 pts) also had a sterling performance and was virtually unstoppable in the second half.
Malcolm Kelly (18 pts) played very well for Hunter. He is extremely athletic and is scoring both in the open court and in the half court offense as well. Plus, his shot selection is improving, although he still occasionally forces the issue. Joe DeLuca (17 pts) also played well and was not hindered by foul trouble, which has plagued him in the past.
And of course let's not forget the D3 debut of Marlon Smith, the former All-City point guard out of Molloy. Smith played about 24 minutes and appeared to be in good shape. According to my unofficial stats, he shot 5-10 from the floor and finished with 13 points. He is a good ballhandler and made some good passes. His defense was pretty good as well. On offense he shot five three's and made two of them. He also hit a couple of pull-up jumpers as well. It's way too early to say how his addition will impact Hunter and the CUNYAC in general.
By the way, Smith is a senior. He played two years at Penn State and one year at Robert Morris-Chicago (NAIA 1).
The Hawks are far from pretenders. If you look at the box, Smith did not start the first and second halves, so it is obvious that Coach Plevritis was looking to keep his team chemistry together by not giving the new guy a ton of minutes. From what I have heard, Smith looked great, but the Hawks came out flat to open both halves and Dodd's shooting slump continues to plague the team along with some selfish play from their young point guards.
This could be the case of a team with everything to prove and nothing to lose taking out a team that just wasn't ready to play. No fault, but the player's for that loss. However, a reversal of roles, if you look at the women's scores, the 2-10 Hawks almost beat the unbeaten Dolphins. So when it comes down to it, you never know, but it was obvious the Hawks men's team was caught off guard tonight and CSI pulls out a big win. The South Division is all knotted up now, and I'm sure everyone will look at Baruch as pulling away in the North, but I wouldn't count Hunter out yet, if Smith can get on track with the rest of the team and if Dodd pulls out of this slump, they will be a very dangerous team to be messed with.
D3HOOPSCOOP: I wouldn't draw any conclusions regarding CSI, Hunter, Brooklyn, Weismuller, and Smith from one or two games. No one knows what kind of results will occur as a consequence of these roster changes. It may turn out that, in the end, things stay pretty much the same.
knight_life: You're right about Dodd being in a shooting slump. His stroke seems to have deserted him. He's been very inconsistent as has Millien. Some games Millien is a monster inside and other games (like tonight) he disappears.
I have noticed that with Millien, the games like tonight's where he seems nonexistent, he is in foul trouble early. Dodd has been struggling his last couple of games, it appears since the Lehman game, I guess it's just like with a baseball player and a hitting slump. No one really knows how it happened, but appears to be something that could take time to get out of.
I'm actually looking forward to tomorrow's match up between Baruch and Brooklyn. Also, York made easy work of City Tech tonight, I guess City Tech's win over Brooklyn would be considered a fluke now, although Brooklyn did only play seven guys in that game. Talk about parity in the league.
Not to keep going back to Hunter, but I would think in an odd twist with their schedule, they won't play Baruch until the 25th, which could be an interesting match up if Baruch continues to excel and if Hunter gets back on track after their games against Medgar and Lehman, especially if Smith starts to really heat up and create opportunities for guys like Ciarleglio who put up one of his best performances since the departure of Mr. Bernard last season. The "Battle of Lexington" could be an interesting series this year.
Here are the CUNYAC standings:
Baruch 4-1
York 4-2
Brooklyn 3-2
CSI 3-2
Hunter 3-2
City Tech 3-3
John Jay 3-3
CCNY 2-3
Lehman 2-3
Medgar Evers 0-5
As knight_life mentioned the big game today is Baruch @ Brooklyn. It'll be interesting to see how Baruch handles Brooklyn's nonstop defensive pressure. Hillaire, Baruch's point guard, is one of the quickest players in the league, but he's only a freshman. Plus, Baruch's front line is not the quickest around. If need be, Rankis can always go to the bench for more quickness and athleticism, but he will sacrifice size in doing so. On the other hand, let's see how Weismuller fits in with Brooklyn's pressing defense. At 6' 8" and 260 lbs, this may be a major problem.
Results from 1/12
Brooklyn 96, Baruch 84
Lehman 77, CCNY 66
CUNYAC Standings
Baruch 4-2
Brooklyn 4-2
York 4-2
CSI 3-2
Hunter 3-2
Lehman 3-3
NYC Tech 3-3
John Jay 2-3
CCNY 2-4
Medgar Evers 0-5
its true the CUNY is wide open. However, before Weismuller, brooklyn looked like the team to beat. Now that he transfers, he can only help them. They handled baruch pretty easily yesterday. Hunter will come out on top out of the north. Marlon Smith is too good. He was playing Michigan and Indiana two years ago. I don't think he will be intimidated of Baruch during the "Battle on Lexington."
I went to NYU yesterday so I didn't see the Baruch @ Brooklyn game. Seems like an impressive performance by the Bridges. Judging from the box score Jean-Baptiste, Nisbett and Weismuller all had solid games. The fact that Weismuller put up some nice numbers indicates that he may fit in pretty quickly, and if he does, that will make Brooklyn that much tougher. This win certainly adds more legitimacy to the view that the Bridges are among the top teams in the CUNYAC.
I can't tell from CityD3's post whether or not he saw the game. If anyone did see it, let us know how the game went. An eyewitness account always helps.
re: Marlon Smith: He may very well turn out to be a hugh overmatch for anyone in this league, but right now Hunter is far from a lock to the win the North.
The team no one is mentioning is Staten Island. I wouldn't count them out. Petosa is a very hard worker and a good motivator. The Dolphins looked good Friday beating Hunter at the Apex.
I took in the NYU @ Hunter game last night won by the Violets, 82-73. NYU led 26-24 at the break, but pulled away in the second half. Charlie Parker (22 pts.) had an excellent game for NYU, hitting three's, taking it to the hoop and playing good defense. Keith Jensen (14 pts.) and Richie Polan also played well for NYU.
Hunter got a solid performance by Joe DeLuca (20 pts) who scored inside and from long range. Marlon Smith (17 pts) showed flashes of what he's capable of, but was inconsistent. Michael Dodd (12 pts.) hit three from downtown but was erratic, missing several easy shots and throwing up a couple of air balls as well.
Let me add the following to the above post:
Frantz Millien (9 pts.) was very tough at times, but disappeared when NYU broke it open. Malcolm Kelly (6 pts.) didn't play in the first half. Gerard Ciarleglio (3 pts.) was invisible. Finally, Lance Evans was nowhere to be found: He didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
It'll be interesting to see how the addition of Smith will pan out. It's not that easy to come in in the middle of the season and not miss a beat. Right now, Hunter is struggling a bit and there is a great deal of inconsistent play and lack of team cohesion.
Baptiste has some injuries which he plays thru so it's quite probable Coach Podias rested him in order to be healthier for Lehman and City Tech. He went out after hurting his foot a few times vs. Baruch.
Coach Podias finally seems to have the team that can make it to the promised land. He has an inside presence in Weismuller and the freshman Purisic. He has versaitility in Guerin, a hard nosed, old school basketball player who simply gets the job done. Nisbett is one of the best perimiter players in the region, able to shoot the ball with range and make moves to the cup, however at times he does get somewhat erratic. McFarlane is by far the best defender in the region, and perhaps the country, if he cuts down on the gambles and reaches, he could solidify that very fact.
Rich Jean Baptiste is simply an excellent basketball player. Whether around the basket, or beyond the 3 point line, Jean Baptiste gets it done. He is the best all around player in the region, and if he would show a little more heart on defense, I believe the Bridges can go very far.
However, that being said, Podias needs to be smarter with his players. He has some players banged up,
Baptiste and Nisbett have both been seen hobbling on the court and to the bench. In Podias' all pressure, all the time system he needs to learn to use his entire team. Brooklyn often jumps out to a big lead, as I witnessed when they played Baruch, jumping out to a 28-4 lead. If Podias wants to keep his players intact for the long run, he needs to learn to throw 3-4 bench players in there, fresh players able to apply full pressure while the others get a slight rest, and then allow them to come back in. I'm sure that if a team has fresh defenders all over them, the effect of the press will be that much more enhanced, than the lead could get pushed up even further.
Reviewing the box score for last night, Brooklyn's bench played well, scoring 21 points. Brooklyn seems to have a squad about 10 players deep. If Coach Podias wants to totally utilize his team, while saving his stars for the stretch run, he will look to throw fresh players into their deadly press every so often, not make 1 sub, but if he has a big lead, take out those who are a little banged up, and go from there.
Mark my words, if Brooklyn is able to save the health of Baptiste and Nisbett, they will be a forced to be reckoned with.
Looking forward to see the results of their games against Lehman and City Tech.
Very good point scoop, that style of defense is going to take a toll on his players in the long run. I haven't seen Brooklyn play, but it's obvious after hearing from different sources that they are banged up which could slow them down come playoff time.
As for Berkley, they really aren't a quality team. That was an "easy" win for Podias and honestly most teams in the CUNYAC, even CCNY, could beat them. At this point in the season, I wouldn't pay too much attention to non-conference games, they really do not mean much as no one from the cunyac will earn an at-large bid for the tournament. I mean Brooklyn is supposed to be a top team and they play Hudson Valley's (non ncaa conference) Berkely, while Hunter battles NYU.
Brooklyn defeated Greensboro early in the year just before they beat at that time #3 Guilford, and then Brooklyn beat York, at York, a week after York beat NYU. So much for the non-conference argument. Besides, perhaps Coach Podias knows how tough January could be with their style of play and thus schedules a Berkeley in between a tough stretch of games(they have 13 in January) for the purpose of resting players and getting them re-energized for the long haul. You can always make a case either way, I just thought of the irony of that game being scheduled right in the middle of that 13 game stretch.
Brooklyn's win over Greensboro has lost a bit of its luster because the Quakers are now 6-7. Still, its their top nonconference win and, along with York's win over NYU, one of the top nonconference wins by a CUNYAC team this year.
Berkeley is one of the worst teams in the region (and probably the entire country). But I wouldn't be too critical of Brooklyn for playing them. Scheduling them once is no big deal. If you want to criticize someone how about Montclair State. MSU will play Berkeley twice this year. The Red Hawks beat them 81-35 on Nov. 20 and will play them again on Jan. 21.
There's a full slate of CUNYAC games today:
Baruch (4-2) @ CSI (3-2)
Brooklyn (4-2) @ Lehman (3-3)
Medgar Evers (0-6) @ Hunter (3-2)
NYC Tech (3-3) @ John Jay (3-3)
York (4-2) @ CCNY (2-4)
the cunyac is wide open this year the cuny playofffs are goin to be very good i cant wait. Sean is fitting well at brooklyn york is still right in the mix, so is hunter baruch and every other team in the cuny who has winning records. now it comes down to who wants it more.
Just a clarification for all regarding the intra-conference transfers. Only 5 conferences in the nation in Division III have some sort of a rule that prohibit such actions and CUNYAC is not one of them - yet.
As I said before, I believe the rule of allowing intra-conference transfers to play for two different schools in the same season is bizarre. It opens the door for a lot of potential abuse. Nonetheless, since I've never heard of this kind of transfer before Weismuller, the rule has obviously not been abused.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 16, 2008, 04:28:25 PM
As I said before, I believe the rule of allowing intra-conference transfers to play for two different schools in the same season is bizarre. It opens the door for a lot of potential abuse. Nonetheless, since I've never heard of this kind of transfer before Weismuller, the rule has obviously not been abused.
didnt echolls do it at csi as well?
I watched the Medgar Evers @ Hunter game earlier this evening. Hunter was very lucky to come away with an 85-75 overtime victory. Medgar Evers got out to an 11-0 lead. Hunter fought back to move ahead midway through the half and went into the locker room with a 38-33 advantage. The second half was nip and tuck and the score was tied at 69 at the end of regulation. In the overtime period Marlon Smith took over and Hunter pulled it out.
Medgar Evers has a few good players but no depth. Clovis Essis (24 pts) is an athletic power forward/center who has a good midrange game. He can score from about ten feet or so and can also put the ball on the floor and take it to the hole. Kallai Sharpe (21pts) is a good outside shooter and defender. And Darnell Cudjoe (14 pts) is physical and tough around the basket.
Marlon Smith led Hunter with 23 points. Joe DeLuca and Frantz Millien both had 16. Michael Dodd had 15 (all on three's). Looks like Lance Evans and Malcolm Kelly are no longer on the team. Keith Stommes was not listed on the program, but he was sitting on the bench in street attire.
There's an old saying: "You can't tell the players without a program." In Hunter's case, you can't tell the players even with a program. I don't know if I'm correct, but I think the Hawks lost four players from the beginning of the season, and added three new players at the break.
Quote from: BklynBasketball on January 16, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 16, 2008, 04:28:25 PM
As I said before, I believe the rule of allowing intra-conference transfers to play for two different schools in the same season is bizarre. It opens the door for a lot of potential abuse. Nonetheless, since I've never heard of this kind of transfer before Weismuller, the rule has obviously not been abused.
didnt echolls do it at csi as well?
I believe Echolls transferred to York after the 2006 season ended. He played his junior year at CSI and his senior year at York. Again the issue is not about intra-conference transfers per se, it's about players who play for one CUNYAC school the first half of the season and at another CUNYAC school for the second half of the season. I don't think that was the case with Echolls, but I may be mistaken.
Scores from 1/16
Brooklyn 77, Lehman 70
CSI 72, NYC Tech 64
Hunter 85, Medgar Evers 75 (OT)
John Jay 76, NYC Tech 64
York 71, CCNY 51
CUNYAC Standings
Brooklyn 5-2
York 5-2
CSI 4-2
Hunter 4-2
Baruch 4-3
John Jay 4-3
Lehman 3-4
NYC Tech 3-4
CCNY 2-5
Medgar Evers 0-7
Rhodes is correct.
Echols did transfer after his Junior season to finish his senior year at York. I don't know what to think of intraseason conference transfers. CUNY is actually one school system as it is the "City University of NY".
So maybe that's why it is more acceptable? I don't think it would have been a big deal if it wasn't one of the better players in the league with Weismuller.
Looks like it has helped both teams as CSI has looked very good since Weismuller's departure. No one has mentioned the recent CSI transfer, Brian Ameneiros from Nazareth college. He has played well and gave them another scoring threat around the perimeter after losing their starting small forward Christian Montervino due to academic eligibility.
Quote from: Zak Ivkovic on January 16, 2008, 03:42:06 PM
Just a clarification for all regarding the intra-conference transfers. Only 5 conferences in the nation in Division III have some sort of a rule that prohibit such actions and CUNYAC is not one of them - yet.
Interesting. So 35 conferences permit it, rather than the 1 conference that the local newspaper assumed.
Freshprospective (should that be perspective?) certainly has an interesting angle on this, huh?
Echols did leave csi after his jr year do anybody know why? but when he left i feel he was one of the most dominate player in the cuny. sean left this year because he wasnt happy. now on brooklyn roster i feel he can help them win a cuny title this year, but lets wait and see about that. like i said before the conference is wide open this yr and york has to defend their chip from last season and they are right in the mix again this yr. i really have to say that coach ron st john has finally turn his program in to a cuny power but with all the new faces this yr in the cuny lets see if york can win it all. i really dont know who can win because the cuny is wide open and any team can win on any night. lets not forget that ccny won the title before as the last seed, and this yr the last seed is just as good as the first so lets see!
As a former player and coach in the CUNY I feel it is time for me to voice my opinion on all that has been going down in the conference. First of all before I start it should be noted that the CUNY is unlike many other leagues as the teams in it have different educational standards in which the players have to live up to. So this means a freshman with a 70 average in HS may be able to play at York but perhaps may be inelgible at Baruch. This means not all teams are able to recruit on the same level. This is my first knock on the CUNY. My second is that I know for a fact that some schools allow students to change a letter grade of an "D" to a pass/fail mark which can greatly effect gpas and elgiblity. Not fair to schools who dont have this in their system and require student-athletes to maintain a 2.5. My third knock is the inability of the CUNY to regulate transfers from other schools. For example I know for a fact that Dennis Echols was inelgible when he left CSI and for some odd reason was able to play at York last year when he was never cleared by CSI which is a NCAA rule. If this is able to happen with in conference transfers just think of all the players who slide in under the rader from out of conference teams. Rules are broken!!!! I also know that it is a rule that a college coach can not talk to another college player until he clears it with the current school that the player is attending, like his coach. That happens all the time and just did with Weissmuller and nobody does anything about it. Coaches should have respect for their fellow collegues in order to help make the league develope. The bottom line is the Cuny has to do a better job of monitoring roster turnover from not only year to year but also during the middle of the year. They should also look to devise a elgibility scale that is appicable to all the teams in the conference because it is not fair that teams like York have not had a single player become inelgible in the 9 years I have followed the conference. Much more to say but I will start with this and everyone can respond. Good luck to Baruch and CSI who are in my opinion the only schools in the CUNY who try and do things the right way.
Quote from: Coach AG on January 18, 2008, 12:04:47 AM
First of all before I start it should be noted that the CUNY is unlike many other leagues as the teams in it have different educational standards in which the players have to live up to.
This is not uncommon at all, either. Think about it -- there are only a few leagues where the schools even all belong to the same educational system: CUNYAC, NJAC, SUNYAC, MASCAC, WIAC ... most of the public school leagues but not all. That leaves about 35 other leagues in which the schools have no common academic affiliation whatsoever.
Quote from: Coach AG on January 18, 2008, 12:04:47 AM
I also know that it is a rule that a college coach can not talk to another college player until he clears it with the current school that the player is attending, like his coach.
This is also not true. In Division III, student-athletes can clear themselves, also known as the self-release program.
coach ag i wonder how do u know for a fac that echols was not cleared to play? how did he get his transcript from csi in that case. i was told by a good source that echols left csi for family reasons, and that he completely withdraw from school right after they loss in the cunyac playoffs. so if echols did withdraw from csi completely means he didnt have any grades posted for that spring semester. therefore if he didnt have any grades then york was able to use his grades from that frist semester that he played at csi but am really not to sure. but i know he was on the court for csi because i saw him play so can anybody clear this up because i really dont think echols or york did anything wrong, he left at the end of his jr seanson and who knows he could have went to any school but he went home so why bring up echols i feel that both parties didnt do anything out of place. not like sean who left in the middle of the season now thats is a problem between csi and brooklyn.
Prior to the policy of open admissions, which was implemented in the early 1970s, Brooklyn, CCNY and Hunter were all very good schools. After open admissions, the CUNY system as a whole went downhill. Then in the late 1990s, CUNY began to upgrade academically. This was the right thing to do. Now Baruch, Brooklyn and Hunter are all moving in the right direction and are much stronger academically than they would have been otherwise. CCNY is beginning to garner some respect once again in engineering, math and science as well. The other schools have stayed more or less the same or have improved slightly. There's absolutely nothing wrong with different schools within the same conference having different academic standards.
Four conference games today:
Brooklyn (5-2) @ NYC Tech (3-4)
John Jay (4-3) @ York (5-2)
Lehman (3-4) @ Hunter (4-2)
Medgar Evers (0-7) @ Baruch (4-3)
Fresh Perspective and Pat Coleman deserve kudos for pointing out the flaws in Coach AG's "cheap shot" at Brooklyn College where he himself played, graduated and coached and was always treated well by Coach P. One could ask why Coach AG left CSI to play and graduate at Brooklyn,but We won't stoop to that level. He also played with the older Weismuller in his Senior Season. By the way, leveling accusations at people without knowing the facts and the current NCAA rules is not a way to do business. In fact there is an article in December from the Staten Island Advance which articulated the fact that Weismuller's transfer was done properly between the two schools and Jason Fein(CSI AD) was actually quoted as saying as much. Coach AG has always been a class act, but his post was wrong and somewhat hateful.
Coach P this was not a shot at Brooklyn College. This was simply addressing the fact that other coaches in the conference do break rules and talk to other teams players without giving the current coach the respect. No cheap shot intended. I just am curious why Coach Podias never contacted Coach Petosa and still has not done so. As far as me leaving CSI for BC it was because of the Physical Education program. But we are not talking about reasons a player transfers. Also this is not to diss Echols, but if all of you out there can honestly look in the mirror and say that there is not any funny business going on in the CUNY you are blind.
so now tell us coach ag why is all of these players leaving csi to attend other school maybe there something going on with that program, within two season they lost two great player who seem to have it made at csi but left. you use to coach there can you explain why this is happen. but if the cuny is allowing this thing to happen it must be right. and plus nobody had profit that any coach was the reason why a player wanted to leave. i know a few of the players including dennis and sean i heard there side of the storie now i would like to hear yours. so please inform us
good point wisdom...
although CSI is notoriously a pretty solid program... and they have had the same coach..
I'm still hurting from laughing so hard at this comment that Baruch does things legit. They cheat in so many ways in so many sports, its just a joke to even put them in a list of school's doing things the right way.
Just because the CUNY is letting all this happen does not mean this is right, That was one of my original gripes. As far as why these two players left from CSI I can not explain their personal reasons. I do know Coach Petosa demands that his players act professional and play as a team, he is also not afraid to coach kids that think they are to good for the team. Look at the history of the team in the conference and also their graduation rate. There is nothing wrong with the program except the fact that the university is making it academically more challenging to be elgible to play there. In fact Coach Petosa works very hard to build a program of 4 year players who graduate, instead of depending on transfers and JUCO recruits. He teaches team basketball and not just run and gun and press play. Some players cant handle that.
Since everyone knows me don't think I don't know who you are, FreshProspective-Wisdom Is the Keyand SwingO.
By the way Knight-life are there any legit programs in the CUNY then?
do u really know who i am coach ag? tell me i have nothing to hide who am i bc i dont know u and am wondering how u know me?
I am not here to play games, just to voice a opinion. If you have nothing to hide then why the fancy nickname.
Results from 1/18
Baruch 77, Medgar Evers 73
Brooklyn 99, NYC Tech 80
Hunter 79, Lehman 70
York 76, John Jay 59
CUNYAC Standings
Brooklyn 6-2
York 6-2
Hunter 5-2
CSI 4-2
Baruch 5-3
John Jay 4-4
Lehman 3-5
NYC Tech 3-5
CCNY 2-5
Medgar Evers 0-8
I watched Medgar Evers @ Baruch last night. It was a very good game. The Bearcats were lucky to come away with the victory. Medgar was up 73-70 with 31 seconds remaining but Baruch scored the final seven points: Adrian Serrano nailed a three to tie it up and then hit two free throws to put Baruch ahead to stay. Tammer Farid later iced the game with two free throws.
George Kunkel led the Bearcats with 31 points and Farid added 24. Laurence Smith did a pretty good job defensively against Medgar Evers point guard Kallai Sharpe down the stretch.
The Cougars were led by Sharpe with 25 points. Ronald Holloway was next with 20.
I've seen Medgar Evers twice this year and they could have won both games. It's surprising that they're 0-8 in conference play. The talent level is not that bad, but many of the players are weak on fundamentals and they don't make the right decisions when the game is on the line. Also a couple of bad calls by the officials hurt them last night.
ITS ALL GOOD COACH AG I NEVER HAD BEEF WITH U, AND YOU DO KNOW THAT I KNOW YOU AND YOU DO KNOW ME HOW U BEEN MAN HOW YOUR BABY DOIN WHY ARE YOU NOT COACHING ANYWHERE WELL LETS TALK BALL I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT YORK HAS WON FOUR STARIGHT GAME ALL BY DOUBLE DIGITS THEY ARE PEAKING AT THIS MOMENT. AND I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE REMATCH AT BROOKLYN COLLEGE. RHODES WHO DO U FEEL IS THE BEST TEAM IN THE CUNY, HAVE YOU SEEN THEM ALL PLAY WHAT ABOUT YOU COACH AG?
saw lehman at Hunter the other night. Was a good game and Hunter pulled out the win beating Lehman a second time this season. Hunter is now in soul possession of first place in North with a 5-2 CUNY Record. Next week they have two big conference games against CCNY and Baruch on Friday. Just a quick thought, Marlon Smith averaged 21.33 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 5 apg in the past week. Possible player of the week?
Wisdom: I've seen every team except Lehman. I'd say Brooklyn, York and CSI are the three best teams in the conference.
xalva66: I'm not sold on Hunter yet. They've had a lot of roster changes and I think they're short on depth. However, if Smith gets everyone involved and makes them better, then Hunter will be tough to beat.
yes brooklyn is a good team but they are about 15 points better at home due to the smaller gym and their pressing defense. as I said, the playoffs will take place at CCNY which will not be to their advantage. as for hunter, you shouldn't be sold yet but they only lost to CSI by 4 and one of the CSI players was on fire hitting 5-7 from beyond the arc. Hunter can be very dangerous if mike dodd comes out of his funk. they have 5 players which can score 20 on any given night. I really like Joe Deluca who can play inside and outside.
oh by the way, whoever made the comment about echols leaving CSI ineligible and then playing with York is absolutely right. he was actually forced to sit 4 games last year because someone reported it.
Brooklyn beat York at York by forcing 32 turnovers, Lehman at Lehman by forcing 28 turnovers and are 3-0 in Conference play on the road. Check the Box Scores.So which of these gyms is small and adds 15 points to Brooklyn's press, Xalva? Good Defense travels on the road as well, and when last seen the floor at York is made of the same stuff as that at CCNY
Csi wins another conference game and they may have gotten better with weismuller departing. aimetti is stepping up and filling weismullers role. He isn't the scorer weismuller is, but plays solid D and rebounds the ball. The transfer everyone is forgetting about is from nazareth-brian amenerois. he had a double-double with 11 assists against CCNY. With mesjasz and blackett, CSI is still a threat to win it, despite the loss of the Player of the Year.
SwingO,
Coaches should stay off from posting on this website.
xalva66,
so should the parents of Hunter Basketball Players.
So I guess its kind of a double standard. It's cool that you are the biggest fan of Hunter in their history, but don't you worry my friend, I know EXACTLY why you on their jock. You are perhaps the most narrow minded poster on this site, you only speak highly of Hunter, and constantly discredit the other teams in CUNY. Making excuses of why Brooklyn is doing well, or saying that CSI is not that good, or any other ways you can find to trash any team but Hunter. Fact of the matter is, Hunter is 5-2 in the CUNY, and has beaten up on the lower tier teams, with two wins over Lehman, a squeaker over John Jay, a win over City and needing OVERTIME to beat a Medgar team that is 1-17.
When they played the upper echelon teams, Brooklyn and CSI, they lost.
Hunter is a good basketball team, yes, but let us not send them to Salem, Virginia just yet.
Interesting. I don't have any kids on the team. Narrow minded? No I just like to follow a team that I am alumni of. I dont jump on bandwagons, if Hunter is not good that I wouldnt post like they were. I mean, I post that Brooklyn is a 15 point better team at home because of the size of the court and I get a response that they forced lehman into 27 turnovers which isnt that crazy considering they average 20 turnovers as a team and the York game was very early in the season. I stand by my assessment of Brooklyn, they are a good team but I think they will not be as efficient on the road but Hunter gets discredited because they lost to CSI by 6 when they were down 2 and Hunter made a steal (trying to call a timeout falling out of bounds) with less than 30 seconds of play. That game could have went either way. They have 2 convincing conference wins against Lehman and beat Medgar Evers in OT last Wednesday. Everyone discredits Medgar but they have been playing good ball lately and were beating Baruch with less than a minute left in the game and lost. So dont bounce on Hunter because they beat Medgar in OT. and Lehman lost to Brooklyn by 7. So now Lehman is not a good team either?
The only CUNY game that Hunter was not in so far this season was against Brooklyn at Brooklyn.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on January 20, 2008, 02:13:40 PM
so should the parents of Hunter Basketball Players.
Nothing wrong with parents posting.
Nothing wrong with coaches posting either, though those that do use their real name because they know it'll look silly when people point out who they are. :)
Well I call for a DNA test then. My sources tell me you are the proud parent of Hunter's shooter, well the kid who shoots alot of 3's and hopes they land. (Ciarleglio)
Go look up the play by play of the games you DON'T see Xalva. Look up Brooklyn vs York at York, Brooklyn was up by 27 at one point on the ROAD, before some carelessness and York's timely shooting got them closer. Brooklyn beat Lehman at Lehman, while it may say by 7, it is my understanding that the game was not that close. And my sources tell me that City Tech got thoroughly dominated by Brooklyn the other night, they were up by a whopping 27 points just 5 minutes into the game.
Now I am not saying that Brooklyn is the clear cut favorite in any right, Baruch and CSI both have strong chances to win, as does Hunter. The CUNYAC, is a wide open league with many contenders. However, don't go out and say that Hunter is the best team to ever walk the land, for they are a bunch of JUCO transfers who have been asked to come in and save the day with no sense of camraderie and cohesion.
And by the way Xalva, it seems that Weismuller's addition to Brooklyn has had more of an impact than Hunter's "Saviour, the biggest CUNYAC transfer EVER", Marlon Smith has had for your beloved Hawks.
Where do I submit my blood sample? Its just funny that I call out someone who is posting and then a brand new user starts posting on the website who has never posted before. Thats pretty funny and pretty obvious. In any case, I never called Marlon Smith the savior at Hunter. but yes he is the biggest transfer onto a cuny team. What other CUNY transfer has been bigger? Also, its a bit easier to fit into a team as a transfer when you play the 4 or 5 because you dont have to captain the offense. But when you are the PG, you have to learn the offenses and find everyone's comfort zone.
I already wrote this post but it got deleted because i'm an idiot but here i go again.
Hunter is a solid, older and relatively deep team. Coach Plevritis knows how to play everyone and get at least 9 guys into the game with everyone getting solid minutes.
Baruch is relatively young and in my opinion, has the best coach in CUNY (Rankis). They're always competitive and good this year but as you can see by their out of conference W/L's, not as good as they have been in the past.
Brooklyn though, is the best team in the conference this year. With Weismuller's addition, they added some needed height and size and that combined with what they already have should prove for a championship team.
Brooklyn vs. Hunter with a narrow Brooklyn win is what i see.
As for Post-Season, no CUNY team has a chance in the NCAA tournament and this is always a puzzle to me. CUNY, with each school having over 5000+ undergrads, with each school costing as little as they do, with each school having relatively low admission standards compared to other public institutions in the state (SUNY) and private schools everywhere, with the lack of age requirement in D3 and with NYC having some of the best hoops talent in the northeast, it's amazing to me how CUNY doesn't provide an NCAA contender each and every year. If anyone can figure that one out for me, i'd love to know the answer.
From my experience alot of student athletes from the city want to attend schools that either have dorms or are far away and most schools in CUNY can't offer that. Also there are a ton of colleges in the metro area to choose from especially d3 and d2 schools, but if you look in states like Wisconsin where there d3 schools are national powers the kids only have the choice to play at D1 or D3 schools because there are few if any D2 institutions. Plus even though admission standards might be low, the elgibility requirements to play might be high at some schools.
As far as the best teams in the league right now I would have to go with the top 3 in the South division. Brooklyn and York have the most talent and are peaking. CSI although not the most talented are playing the best team basketball out of the 3 teams. Anyone who knows the game would enjoy watching them play.
One team nobody is talking about is JohnJay. I think Coach Charles does a good job over there and they have the talent to make a run. By the way does anyone know what the story with Diaa Kased is? I remember coaching against him and he was a animal inside nuetralizing our best post player and controlling the game on both sides of the court. Currently he does'nt start and he usually only logs 20 min a game. As far as Hunter they have been known in the past to have a player who is by far the most talented in the league but still never got it done. For example Lorcan Precious, Monroe and Hardin in 99 was a absolute beast but as we all know you have to be a complete team. Good lUck to all Be back in a few days to comment on nonleague games.
It's OK for new posters to get on the site, right? I guess some people think they have a monopoly and don't want competition. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that
team basketball also involves many people sharing the ball and if the poster who said CSI plays the best team basketball would look at the Box Scores and the CUNY stats he may notice that Brooklyn frequently has 4 or 5 players each night in double digits in scoring, and they lead the Conference in Assists per game. That would seem to indicate they play well together too.
Coach AG: Kased was out last year with a knee injury and I believe that is what limits his minutes this year. When I saw him against Hunter this year he was impressive. He definitely is one of the best big men in the league. He plays good position defense and gets a lot of garbage baskets.
NYBB: Some of the reasons for the CUNYAC's lack of NCAA tournament success:
1) Part-time coaches: This signifies that the administrations do not consider athletics to be particulary important and they don't expect to compete nationally.
2) Tremendous roster turnover: Whether players flunk out, quit, transfer, or get thrown off the team, the lack of continuity makes winning that much harder.
3) No tradition of winning: The CUNYAC has always been one of the weaker conferences in the country. This makes attracting better players more difficult.
The size of the student body is largely irrelevant because you're relying on recruited players. If all the players walked on then a large student body would be a big factor.
There is a lot of non-conference games scheduled today. HUNTER (because I am a fan) is playing Richard Stockton who is 10-4. Is it just me or does Hunter schedule a lot of tough out of conference opponents (Richard Stockton, Wilkes, Manhattanville, NYU, Connecticut College, Amherst) so an overall 8-8 record may not seem as nice as a 12-4 record. Maybe some other CUNY team should start scheduling some tough games too. Oh By The way, 4 of Brooklyn's 6 out of Conference wins have been against teams that combine for a 12-46 record. And one of the other wins is against Berkley who doesnt even play in a conference. I mean, I cant even find their record online anywhere. Sorry to be an antagonizer but now it seems I have three new posters posting against me so I figure I throw a little fuel onto the fire.
Brooklyn is playing College of New Jersey (who is usually a good team) but is 5-9 this year.
Seems like SwingO and Defense is the Key are either the same poster or related.
it certainly seems that way.
Brooklyn's schedule is def. weaker than Hunter. We'll see if Hunter can't beat Baruch to take the north division ( i think they should ) but if they can't, Brooklyn is going to be the favorite all the way.
Quote from: Knightstalker on January 21, 2008, 09:55:01 AM
Seems like SwingO and Defense is the Key are either the same poster or related.
If it's that obvious to you, imagine what it looks like when you're the person who gets to see everyone's IP address...
so the ids are probably coming from the same computer. Thats hilarious.
I def agree with the consensus about the four top teams being york, csi, bc and hunter... I think Baruch is almost there but is lacking a little athleticism... but CUNY is wide open right now.
Took in the Brooklyn/City Tech game on Friday... Brooklyn jumped out to a 20 point lead in the first 10 minutes.... from there they were coasting...
City Tech is only going to go as far as Jamal Hall is going to take them. Brooklyn's Nesbitt did a great job on him... took him out of the game from the beginning.
other than that.. there was almost a riot at the game... CIty Tech fans are probably the most disrespectful fans in CUNY... one fan.. walked like 10 feet onto the court after a foul call and got in the face of one of the brooklyn players.. refs removed him from the gym... then after the ref stopped the game again to tell the fans that if they didnt stop harassing the refs/bc players... they were all getting throw out.. The ball gets in bounded and someone throws a bottle cap at the ref during the game..(while public safety just stood there and watched) the game gets stopped again and the city tech coach comes over and tells the fans and i quote...."I know were are getting screwed by the refs but you cant throw things on the court".. yeah great job coach... way to stir up the fans again... Im sure the refs were the reason your team was getting blown out by 27 points with 7 minutes left...
Real classyyy
Quote from: FreshProspective on January 21, 2008, 11:19:31 AM
(while public safety just stood there and watched)
This is the most disturbing part. Fan behavior happens in all sorts of places but the security folks need to do their jobs.
and brooklyn's last two non-conference games are against St Joes of Brooklyn (5-10) and SUNY New Paltz (6-7). When talking about brooklyn please do not reference any overall record. It is very deceiving. Therefore, we go back to the 6-2 cuny record (even though the Brooklyn College Website has it listed as 7-1), which is among 4 or 5 other CUNY teams. There is no clear favorite. Plain and simple.
I see that the Cuny board is really hott right now. Any of the Top five teams in the cuny can win the championship this year. look at the standing this year compared to last year that speaks for it self. we dominate mostly every team we played last yr while i was at york, me and boone controlled alot of the game, this year york team i feel has alot more balance overall, but so does brooklyn, hunter, baruch and csi. coach ag you happy player but i still feel that york has the upper hand i mean we won last year. and we are right there this yr as well. not to take anything away from any team this year.
Sorry I didn't get to reply earlier but I will say that quite a few folks are posting things on here that are rather far from reality.
1. Too many assumptions - unless you KNOW, please don't post things that make no sense. There were too many to name. Aside from Dennis Echols leaving after his junior year from CSI to York, very little else made sense.
2. Academic standards in CUNY - take a look at the Tier 1 schools in CUNY; they are comparable and tougher to get in then most of our competitors in the Northeast... + far too many schools recruit student-athletes to fulfill their enrollment, therefore as long as the kids can pay they are in...often times academics are secondary.
Also, CUNY conference is a rarity in D3 as we REQUIRE every SA to have a minimum of a 2.0 GPA from start to finish. Wins and losses count, but in the classroom first.
3. Turnover in CUNY - it's very true. Why? We have 65% of our kids that work at least 20 hours a week. That means that they are supporting their education and sometimes family...sports are a way to keep their mind and body in tune, not something they do 24/7 as they may on campuses with dorms and no responsibilities aside from school and their sport.
4. Rhodes makes a good point on the FT coaches and we are working on changing that.
5. Transfers - Like any piano player, debate team member or Student Gov't member on any campus, our kids can choose where they want to go to school and should be free to do so within reason. Clearly knowing the rules helps (self-release as Pat mentioned) and hopefully they can do so in between academic years and not be influenced by anyone to do so otherwise. Any proof to the contrary would be detrimental to someone's employment opportunities in our league.
6. Scheduling - If you pay attention to the schedules of our teams, you will see Baruch, CCNY, Hunter, John Jay, Lehman, CSI and York playing some of the best teams from around the country and traveling to play them. We are not shy about going out and playing the best as this is not your father's CUNY. True, our record over the past 20 years is not one littered with trips to Salem, but life is about moving forward and learning from history.
I look forward to seeing the 4 best teams at CCNY on Feb. 19th...and all of you, including Pat.
Zak,
I'd love to, but I'm back in Northern Virginia. Not in Fairfield County anymore. :(
You know that people seem to care more about who is who on this broad than what is being said, so for the record swingO and Defense are related and one is an alumnus of Brooklyn College. So there for all you CSI-NY fans-I hope you make it on television, but for the record Brooklyn doesn't deserve to get bashed by Xalva every chance he gets because in the place where it counts, the court , without Weismuller, Brooklyn beat Hunter by 19 points!!!!!!! So much for non-conference! Hunter didn't beat CSI or York yet ,and Brooklyn beat both! Since the size of the Court argument didn't work, I guess Xalva needs to be a snoop. By the way Xalva, I actually know who you are, but I'm not classless like some who write on this board. By the way, at The College of New Jersey-Brooklyn 76 CNJ 60
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and brooklyn's last two non-conference games are against St Joes of Brooklyn (5-10) and SUNY New Paltz (6-7). When talking about brooklyn please do not reference any overall record. It is very deceiving. Therefore, we go back to the 6-2 cuny record (even though the Brooklyn College Website has it listed as 7-1), which is among 4 or 5 other CUNY teams. There is no clear favorite. Plain and simple.
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you cant hold the non conference schedule against Brooklyn. Based on their track record, brooklyn has struggled within conference so they schedule a weaker non conference schedule so their record isn't totally abysmal...with that being said St. Joes usually plays them in close games, but it does look like they are struggling this year and SUNY New Paltz beat john jay already this year so they are not as soft as their record....when the smoke clears its gonna be brooklyn and hunter..I dont wanna hear about issues of chemistry with hunter because of a "new transfer"...once again marlon smith played in the BIG TEN two years ago THE BIG TEN!!!!
Xalva Xalva Xalva,
The fact that you took time out of your obviously empty life, to look up the collaborative record for schools Brooklyn has beaten in out of conference games, further accentuates the fact that you are a COMPLETE and UTTER LOSER. Who does that? You had to sit at your computer for a cute little period of time and calculate the records. I am quite sure that you could have found something better to do with your time than that, but hey that is just my opinion.
Anywhoozile, you looked up that cute little stat of yours, and its fine, brings up a valid point, and the point is not what you think it is. The point that you have made so apparent is that you are TERRIFIED for your Hawks, so much so that you continually belittle Brooklyn at every turn, just let the season play out man. It's a great thing for basketball, you are shaking in your boots about Brooklyn, cutting them down at every turn, you better worry about your Hawks getting where they need to go before hand, they still have to take care of their CUNY business first, two games against Baruch are going to be pretty interesting.
At the end of the day, all that matters is the CUNY record, because Hunter is not getting an at large bid to the NCAA tournament because they got their asses handed to them by Manhattanville.
So Xalva, my main man, my dog.. RUFF RUFF...
Be a fan, stop trying to be a coach or a scout because you do not have the basketball intelligence for either position. Enjoy the rest of the season, go to the games in your eccentric outfits, buy a foam finger and get your popcorn ready, because it is gonna be one hell of a stretch run.
And on those cold lonely nights where Hunter is not playing, and you get the urge to spend meaningless hours, looking up stats no one cares about, do us all a favor, and hop on the train and go catch the Knick game or something, go shout things at those NBA players, look up the Knicks record vs the Raptors on Wednesdays or something, another stat that is meaningless, and nobody will EVER, EVER, EVER.. care about..
And if all else fails, and you feel you need a friend.. you can call on me buddy old pal..
Two things:
1) Marlon Smith last played in the Big 10 in 2004-05, which is three years ago. Last Big 0 game was Jan. 5, 2005.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/gamelog?playerId=15348&year=2005
2) People realize that their e-mail addresses are on their posts, right? That's in the Terms of Service, which you're supposed to read, etc.
haha Marlon Smith dropped 33 and 6 at one point in 04/05 playing for Penn State and was scoring 14 regularly and now he's playing in the CUNY for Hunter...that's an absolute joke. If he can't dominate this league and if Hunter can't win with him, 25 year old Gerard (who is a good guy and an even better shooter), DeLuca, Dodd & Millien (all old), I have no idea what's wrong with the world.
Was he a mid-season transfer btw? Because if he was, then people complaining about Weismuller transferring should really look into this one
Let me just add that Hunter should've kept Patrick Phillips on their team because he might have been one of the better players in CUNY this year. The turnover on their roster from 06'07 to this year was 2 guys...Lance Evans and Lee Almoncay, and i don't even think they're on the squad right now.
I dont get it. I bring FACTS into the discussion and then I get bombarded with insults. I mean its great that Brooklyn beat CSI and York but they also lost John Jay and NYCCT. Again those are facts. And by the way, it didnt take me an hour to get all of those records. I just looked at the Brooklyn College schedule and saw all of those teams. In the past, those teams have been weak. It took a big 5 minutes to get all of those records on D3Hoops.Com (this site is top notch).
Bubba Chuck3,
I wish Brooklyn the best of the luck on the rest of the season. Facts are facts, Brooklyn has a weak out of conference schedule. They have convincing wins against CSI and York (which was a very early season game) but lost to NYCCT and John Jay. Therefore, at this time, they are not the clear favorite.
Coach AG....check your aol email...
I figured the anonymity was becoming a bit tacky.
Looking forward to the final stretch for the last month. I'm still not sold on a clear cut favorite. Especially since I haven't seen the new kid from Hunter.
I don't know if everyone is aware but it is my understanding that the first round of the playoffs will be hosted by the top 4 seeds... I think that's great. Right now, Hunter, CSI, York, and BC would all get home games.
I was talking to Zak earlier in the season about using CCNY as the location again for the tourney. That was probably my least favorite gym in CUNY. But from his standpoint, he had some solid reasons. All for the betterment of the conference, so I couldn't necessarily oppose his position.
I do like the home games though, it's a great touch which gives the conference games that much more meaning.
This new format is news to me. I always thought that the CUNYs bounced from one venue to another every year. So, the top 4 teams will get home court advantage in the first round? How does the seeding take place, do the top 2 teams of each division get the 1 and 2 seed.
I think too many people are sleeping on Baruch.
I'm pretty sure it's true.
I don't know the logistics of it all but it used to be a rotating host site. I think CUNY thinks CCNY is a great place to host the tournament because of the fan capacity, which i think is probably the most in CUNY.
And I don't think you could ever sleep on Baruch... they have some monsters on their team. I would say they are the biggest team in CUNY. I just think they are lacking a little bit of athleticism in certain positions which can hurt them. But that's my opinion. They also lost to CSI, York, and BC. But as we have seen in the past, anything can happen in the tourney.
That would be correct Danny.
Top four teams overall (best conference records, regardless of the division) will host quarterfinal games in their own gymnasiums, with the semifinals and finals taking place at CCNY. The reasons are various, all in the best interest of the event moving forward in a positive direction, although we have heard the complaints about the slippery floor at CCNY and will do our best (under the circumstances) to alleviate those concerns.
Come to the event, see for yourself and I am looking forward to the positive and negative feedback from one and all. We want to continue to get better and your input helps.
the CUNY finals really aren't that big of a draw at CCNY or CSI...especially for a team like York or Brooklyn. I watched the York v. Baruch finals in 05/06 on tv at CSI and nobody was in the crowd.
Either the team with the best record should host the finals or Baruch should host them because of Baruch's central location in relation to all CUNY schools. I think the best record school would make the most sense though as to give that school a home team advantage. Otherwise nobody is going to come out to watch.
last year's CUNY championship had about 300 people there at CCNY..thats pretty good for a division III game. and sorry Pat he played in the big ten three years ago, who cares? he still played in the big ten, the best player and team in his conference this year (arguably) is jean-baptiste and brooklyn college. Three years ago his greatest competition was...deron williams AND THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS. (for all those d3 junkies that dont know he plays for the utah jazz now)
I think people underestimate D3...I'm thinking some of the better D3 teams in the nation would beat most low D1 teams.
I'm thinking the local NYC D1 teams (St. Francis, Wagner, LIU) would have big problems with the top ranked national D3 teams or D2 teams for that matter.
Looking to get other peoples opinions?
I know size is probably the biggest factor... I don't know if speed is as much of an issue. My assumption is this because the D1 kids who transfer to D3 schools don't necessarily dominate like people would expect.
Quote from: CityD3 on January 22, 2008, 08:35:21 PM
last year's CUNY championship had about 300 people there at CCNY..thats pretty good for a division III game. and sorry Pat he played in the big ten three years ago, who cares? he still played in the big ten, the best player and team in his conference this year (arguably) is jean-baptiste and brooklyn college. Three years ago his greatest competition was...deron williams AND THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS. (for all those d3 junkies that dont know he plays for the utah jazz now)
I care about facts -- sorry if that's a problem. I don't take accuracy lightly.
Would love to know what happened at Fordham. Anyone got that?
Quote from: CityD3 on January 22, 2008, 08:35:21 PM
last year's CUNY championship had about 300 people there at CCNY..thats pretty good for a division III game. and sorry Pat he played in the big ten three years ago, who cares? he still played in the big ten, the best player and team in his conference this year (arguably) is jean-baptiste and brooklyn college. Three years ago his greatest competition was...deron williams AND THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS. (for all those d3 junkies that dont know he plays for the utah jazz now)
Devon George, Andy Panko, Horace Jenkins and Rich Melzer were all better players than Marlon Smith and they didn't make their teams invincible. Being the best player on the floor--even by a significant margin--doesn't mean you can do anything you want on the floor. You've got to have some pretty decent talent surrounding you in order to win--especially against the better teams.
Personally, i think D1 players that transfer down to D3 are just plain silly.
seriously though; if they can't handle themselves at D1 and think that coming down to D3 to be "the man" is going to make them feel good about themselves or make others think they're good, they've got something else coming.
I don't think that this is big of a deal in basketball as it is in baseball but it's still kind of ridiculous. D3 should be for D3 and if someone played at let's say, Providence College and was a bench player there, they shouldn't come down to D3 and take some kid's job who specifically went to that school to play ball. There should be a rule that makes D1 players have to take off a year if they come down to D3...it's not anyone's fault but their own if they play D1 and don't get any burn. If they went to a school that was too good for them to play at, that's their problem to deal with. Don't come down to D3 and disrupt a program and some hardworking kid's life.
And to D3 coaches that take D1 transfers onto their teams and start them over one of their multi year veterans, shame on you. Build your programs from freshman to senior year players...if you're going to take a transfer, limit it to sophomores, not juniors. Don't allow some guy to come in from a D1 program and take one of your hardworking players' spot just because he's coming down from an upper tier.
NYBB,
Just out of curiosity, who are you are referring to?
Quote from: FreshProspective aka Danny Weismuller on January 22, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
I think people underestimate D3...I'm thinking some of the better D3 teams in the nation would beat most low D1 teams.
I'm thinking the local NYC D1 teams (St. Francis, Wagner, LIU) would have big problems with the top ranked national D3 teams or D2 teams for that matter.
Looking to get other peoples opinions?
I know size is probably the biggest factor... I don't know if speed is as much of an issue. My assumption is this because the D1 kids who transfer to D3 schools don't necessarily dominate like people would expect.
I think the best D3 teams could compete with and occasionally beat some of the low D1 teams. Few, if any, of the D3 teams are better than the low D1's but they're close enough to win some games. The low D1's are bigger, more athletic and have more depth than the best D3's. However, some of the top D3's have better shooters and are sounder on fundamentals than some of the weaker D1's.
i'm not referring to any particular player, just players and coaches in general.
to the moderator. How did I get a (-1) Karma?
Info about karma in the link in my profile.
First of all, no one has stated that Marlon Smith is the best player in cuny because of where he has been before. I think the Brooklyn fans need to relax a little. I'm sure your guy Baptiste is good, and hey if he gets Brooklyn a title that's great as well, but in the end all it will be is a trophy sitting in a glass case somewhere.
Marlon Smith did not transfer to Hunter College to play basketball, nor did he transfer there in the second semester. He has been a student at Hunter all year and is there to finish his degree and prepare for the next part of life past basketball. This differs from Wiesmuller who is criticized because he left a school as a disgruntled basketball player in December and was at another conference school in uniform in January. His decision, from the sense for those not in the know about him and his life, seems to be one based solely on basketball and not on acquiring a better education.
I think basketball is the one sport that suffers from this the most, individuals focusing only on playing basketball and not their education and what happens when their four years are up. It's sad to see what happens to many of these kids who never finish school or fail out because coaches didn't do their jobs and make sure the kids they coach do more than just score them points.
Hint of the Day: Use Spellcheck once in a while and never type like you talk.
I took in the Brooklyn-Medgar Evers game last night. The Bridges had too much athleticism for the Cougars and recorded a number of easy shots in transition and on the offensive glass. When the Cougars packed in a zone to prevent points in the paint, Jean-Baptiste and Nisbett went bananas from downtown with Nisbett hitting 6-7 threes at one point. The Cougars played with a lot of grit and made a valiant comeback from a 20 point deficit to cut the lead to single digits but the Bridges made a number of clutch shots in the end to prevail.
Teams that are small and quick and get their offense in transition will have a hard time at beating BC because the Bridges have more firepower than any team in the conference. Big, long teams with athletic bigs that are discliplined on defense and willing to play in the post on offense will give the Bridges the most trouble.
Teams will always score some easy points on the Bridges because of their style of play but if a team can't get the ball inside against the Bridges and slow the game down a little, then BC will blow them out with a barrage of points.
I really like this Bridges team because their main six-man rotation is very diverse and very complementary. Jean-Baptiste is the obvious star because he runs, shoots, and jumps like a guard; handles like a forward; and is as long and tall as a center. Nisbett is a strong finisher and an explosive scorer, and McFarlane is incredibly athletic as the trigger man. Despite his athleticism, McFarlane is a pass first guard and looks for his offense by driving to the hoop instead of jacking up jumpers. Plus, McFarlane is a lethal pickpocket defender who isn't afraid to take charges either. He's one of the most complete guards in the conference.
Guerin isn't as athletic as his teammates but he's incredibly smart and clutch. For example when Medgar was on their comeback, Guerin realized the defender guarding him was 5-7 and he slid his way to the right box to hit a nifty post layup. He just has great court awareness. He's only a sophomore, but he's a really wise basketball player who does wonders for the team on defense and when the Bridges end up in a halfcourt set.
As for Medgar, it's hard to compete when you have only 3 non-freshman on the roster. Still, the Cougars look like they'll be all right in the future. They mostly played a lot of early-offense, fast break, and one-on-one stuff on offense, but with such a young team that probably gives them the best chance to win. With a year under them, the Cougars offense will probably get more complicated next year and their players have good athleticism and talent. Most importantly, they played hard throughout the game, especially in the second half. That's always nice to see from a team that's 1-18 and down by 20 points in a game. They have the right attitude they just desperately need experience.
There was a scary moment in the BC-Medgar game when Medgar Evers forward Donelle Lazare ended up landing on his head after a play and couldn't get back up. He was limp while the Medgar Evers staff helped him off the court.
Sprains and broken bones hurt, but landing on your head and possibly having a concussion is serious stuff. I think I speak for all of us by wishing him the best.
Quote from: NYBB on January 23, 2008, 12:13:47 AM
Personally, i think D1 players that transfer down to D3 are just plain silly.
seriously though; if they can't handle themselves at D1 and think that coming down to D3 to be "the man" is going to make them feel good about themselves or make others think they're good, they've got something else coming.
I don't think that this is big of a deal in basketball as it is in baseball but it's still kind of ridiculous. D3 should be for D3 and if someone played at let's say, Providence College and was a bench player there, they shouldn't come down to D3 and take some kid's job who specifically went to that school to play ball. There should be a rule that makes D1 players have to take off a year if they come down to D3...it's not anyone's fault but their own if they play D1 and don't get any burn. If they went to a school that was too good for them to play at, that's their problem to deal with. Don't come down to D3 and disrupt a program and some hardworking kid's life.
And to D3 coaches that take D1 transfers onto their teams and start them over one of their multi year veterans, shame on you. Build your programs from freshman to senior year players...if you're going to take a transfer, limit it to sophomores, not juniors. Don't allow some guy to come in from a D1 program and take one of your hardworking players' spot just because he's coming down from an upper tier.
I believe marlon smith left the school becuase of a medical problem he was having with his brain so his reason had nothing to do with basketball..pat coleman i also believe he won big ten rookie of the year i could be wrong tho and rhodes i understand that chemistry and talent has a lot to do with with winning a championship, but i think marlon smith is that good (saw him play in high school) to at least lead them to the finals..sorry to hear about lazare keep us posted if you hear anything.
Quote from: CityD3 on January 24, 2008, 03:18:54 AM
rhodes i understand that chemistry and talent has a lot to do with with winning a championship, but i think marlon smith is that good (saw him play in high school) to at least lead them to the finals.
I also saw Smith play in high school and I agree with you that he is certainly capable of leading Hunter to a CUNYAC championship. Right now, however, I think Brooklyn, CSI and York are all a little better than the Hawks. Like others, I wouldn't count Baruch out either. Once again, there's no clear-cut favorite and plenty of regular season action before the conference tournament begins.
Quote from: NYCGATORfan on January 24, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
I think I speak for all of us by wishing him the best.
Agreed.
Looking at the standings, I believe Brooklyn clinched a CUNY playoff berth last night after CCNY's loss. A win by York, CSI, hunter can clinch a playoff spot with a win or a loss by CCNY.
i can't wait for the hunter/baruch game. i live down the block from hunter but getting in there for that game on 68th will be tough...it will be packed this year. i'm gonna make it though, i'll try.
I just saw the Hunter/Baurch game and hunter's millen/deluca tandem combined for 48 points. Hunter took an 11 point lead going into the half and went up by as many as 17. Baruch chipped away at the lead and cut it to 5 at one point. Mike Dodd then hit three consecutive threes and took the lead back to double digits. It was a nice win. Hunter's next game will be at Hunter against York on Wed.
it will be interesting to see York/Brooklyn tomorrow. Question, the first Brooklyn College win over York, did Wilson play.
no wilson did not play.
Hunter is just too strong and too old for the other CUNY's to compete with.
Gerard, Millien, Smith, Dodd, DeLuca...all tall, all strong, all over 21 (some older than that by a couple years) and all experienced. Baruch stayed in tonight's game because Rankis is the best coach in CUNY and knows how to keep his less talented team alive but like i said, Hunter is too strong and i now believe will win this conference tournament and go to the NCAA show.
CSI has won seven straight including a win at Hunter. Brooklyn toyed with Hunter at Brooklyn (although neither Weismuller nor Smith played for their respective teams). Plus, York is right in the mix and has some pretty good nonconference wins.
As xalva noted, two interesting games are York @ Brooklyn tomorrow, and York @ Hunter on Wednesday.
Serrano hit 5 threes tonight. He had 16 in 19 games for the rest of the season. That's partly why the game didnt get out of hand. Joe Deluca has been playing very well for the Hawks for the past couple of weeks. He is a very unique player. Kunkel had matchup problems with him today.
York beat Brooklyn college now they are 1st in the south. I told you all that york is going to win the cuny this yr, they are going for a three peat haha. next is hunter! to be cont
Looking at the stats, I see that Wilson killed the Bridges. Its just funny that I posted yesterday asking if Wilson played against Brooklyn the first time around and then he goes out and scorches Brooklyn shooting 6-11 behind the three-point line. Two ugly numbers on the Brooklyn side, Weismuller shot 0-8 from the field and finished with a dough nut. And the Three-Time CUNY Player of the Week had 10 turnovers. Thats not a nice stat for a player who doesn't play the point. York had more offensive rebounds than Brooklyn had defensive rebounds. Looks like York is the team to beat. Should be interesting match-up come Wednesday with Hunter/York.
interesting for sure but if Hunter plays to their potential, they're tough to be beat. They cause too many matchup issues because all their guys are 6'3'' or taller, they're all in their 20's and they're all physically stronger than other players in the CUNY.
D. Block... where were you? I was looking for you at the game.
Saw the York/BC game..... as Xalva said, a few guys on BC had rough games including my bro and Baptitste, a few guys on BC were in foul trouble in the game as well.
Aaron Wilson lit it up and Salamanaca manages as good game.
Brooklyn had chances to get back in the game numerous times but beat themselves.
York looked pretty good, they aren't the traditionally monster team but coach St. John has them playing well together. If Wilson shoots like he did yesterday, they are going to be tough to beat. I still don't think York is necessarily much better than brooklyn... but they got the best of them on Saturday.
I still don't know who's the top dog... If York loses to CSI or Hunter and BC beats CSI than we could possibly be back in a three way tie in the South in which I think Brooklyn would get the tie breaker. (That means they would have beat CSI twice and split with York). From what it sounds from everyone else, Hunter is starting to play really well too. I still haven't seen Smith play and I hear he is some player.
But as CSI showed last year, who ever gets hot the last few weeks should be the team to watch out for in the tourney.
whose the genius that posted that weismuller has had a bigger impact than marlon smith. I thought it was a ludicrous statement but I didn't want to say anything. weismuller has gone from preseason player of the year to coming off the bench for brooklyn. he probably will not even make the all-star team and CSI has won 7 straight. hunter has won 4 consecutive CUNY games after loosing a close one to CSI.
danny whats up? i had to work on saturday thats why i wasnt there but york came to play. and they got that "W". but brooklyn is a good team so is csi, but i really dont see york losing anymore games. every body is talking about how tall snd the age hunter's player are. well york has size and age to back up there punch as well i think this is the preview of this championship game lets see who wins. oh yea look at york's margins of victory during this winning streak they are simply doing what they do.
Quote from: NYBB on January 25, 2008, 11:26:27 PM
Hunter is just too strong and too old for the other CUNY's to compete with.
This is the first time in years that Hunter has some muscle. For years, they couldn't score or defend in the paint. Now Millien and DeLuca can both post up and are able to bang down low. That's been a big plus for Hunter this year. And I agree with you, that being a couple of years older is an advantage.
Quote from: xalva66 on January 27, 2008, 11:06:02 AM
weismuller has gone from preseason player of the year to coming off the bench for brooklyn. he probably will not even make the all-star team and CSI has won 7 straight.
Since leaving CSI, Weismuller is averaging 10.4 ppg and 4.8 rpg in eight games for Brooklyn. Not horrible, but not what most people were expecting. And, needless to say, there's a lot more basketball to play.
Like i said, and i'm glad you're agreeing, Hunter is BIG & OLD. Tough to beat now that they're gelling as a group: remember, they're all back next year aside from Gerard. This is going to be a really hard team to beat next season
just lookin through the schedules, lehman has had a strong non-conference schedule and they beat some top teams from other conferences. They beat st joe's long island and maritime, who are two of the top 5 teams in the skyline( a better conference than the CUNY in the past) and they also beat clarkson university, a strong team from upstate (albeit their record is not as good as years past). With all that, they are barely going to make the CUNY playoffs. i haven't seen them play so Wat gives? did they lose players because of academics, are they just that inconsistent, or does this show that the CUNY league is stronger than usual?? If they do have a full team and they do make the playoffs, that is a scary team for some of the top seeds based on some of their impressive wins.
I'm glad to see that some of you fanatics out there, are ever so pleased about old men playing college basketball. I'm sure everyone else is going to be at the Hunter-York game this week. That game is going to consist of players with a combined average age of about 24, which is really fair to the 18, 19 year old kids who work hard to play college basketball, only to sit behind a man who is 5 years out of high school, has a fulltime job and a family and is just a freshman in college, that is really fair. The probable rookie of the year is a 24 year old FRESHMAN, perhaps this is his 2nd go around, considering most graduate college at 22. On some of these teams you fans mention, you are more likely to find someone who has been in jail than someone with a legitimate high school diploma. So let us all hail the 25, 26 year old men who couldn't make it anywhere else, other than a CUNY school with no standards, because if you look around, you won't find any 25 year old freshman on a Baruch or a CSI, instead you'll find those 18-22 year old kids, who are doing things the right way.
This is just my opinion. This is not meant to offend anyone, there may be different stories behind each of those instances, but the fact of the matter is, when people on this board are applauding teams for being OLD, there is a problem, because not once did they mention academic standing, there was no mention of hunter being a team full of SENIORS, they are "BIG" and "OLD", with all of their players returning next year, except our old buddy Gerard of course. ;)
NYBB,
Where are you getting your information from about the ages of the Hunter players. Who are you referring to as 25, 26 year olds. Where are you getting these numbers from? Just because people look older, it does not mean anything.
Rhodes,
10 ppg and 5 rpg for someone who was pre-season player of the year?
Quote from: CityD3 on January 28, 2008, 12:49:06 AM
just lookin through the schedules, lehman has had a strong non-conference schedule and they beat some top teams from other conferences. They beat st joe's long island and maritime, who are two of the top 5 teams in the skyline( a better conference than the CUNY in the past) and they also beat clarkson university, a strong team from upstate (albeit their record is not as good as years past). With all that, they are barely going to make the CUNY playoffs. i haven't seen them play so Wat gives? did they lose players because of academics, are they just that inconsistent, or does this show that the CUNY league is stronger than usual?? If they do have a full team and they do make the playoffs, that is a scary team for some of the top seeds based on some of their impressive wins.
I haven't seen Lehman play this year, so I have no first-hand observations. I don't think the CUNYAC is stronger this year than it usually is, but I do believe that the Skyline is weaker than it has been in recent years. I think the CUNYAC is probably a little better than the Skyline this year.
Quote from: xalva66 on January 28, 2008, 07:59:32 AM
Rhodes,
10 ppg and 5 rpg for someone who was pre-season player of the year?
Like I said, those numbers aren't horrible, but they're also obviously disappointing for one of the top players in the conferrence. I haven't seen him play at Brooklyn, but I can imagine their nonstop defensive pressure and up-tempo offense might not be ideally suited for Weismuller. Nonetheless the Bridges are winning games and there's still plenty of games to go. Despite their loss to York, I still see them as one of the best teams in the conference and I don't think any team is a clear-cut favorite.
Dam... I see a bunch of hate spewing on this board recently. I would like to throw my two sense in on a few topics.
Just an FYI, I played and graduated from Brooklyn College in 4 years with a great GPA. I was 17 years old my first day of classes and 21 when I graduated. (October birthday).
First, when mentioning high academic standards of CUNY schools, you should never leave out Brooklyn as one of the top if not the top academic school in the conference.
2. On the whole old and big thing.
CUNY schools are non-commuter schools in the biggest city in the world. This results in students either coming back home from other schools or enrollment of students who never went to college after high school. Some students waited a few years before enrolling in a local college, hence the large amount of older freshman and athletes in the school.
3. As far as Weismuller's #'s... Xalva if you weren't so ignorant, you would realize that Brooklyn has two of the top three scorers and 4 of the top 20 scorers in the conference on their team. (Baptiste, Nesbitt, McFarlene, Guerin)... Adding some size and fitting in with 10 and 5 while not disrupting team chemistry is something any coach would take.
and lastly, I know DBLOCK doesn't want to hear it, but I'm not crowning York yet... There is still a lot of ball to play!
Ignorant? Mr Weismuller, I stated an opinion. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that Sean has had more of an impact at Brooklyn than Marlon Smith has had at Hunter. Thats an opinion. Regardless of how he fits into the role of the team concept, his 10 ppg and 5 rpg is not a bigger impact on a team than Mr Smith's 19 ppg, 5 apg, 4 rpg. Thats my point. I understand he is your brother and all, but numbers do not lie. This is not hate spewing that everyone is throwing out, its called criticism. Hate-spewing is a very harsh statement.
I seemed to have turned into the Devil's Advocate on this board hence my karma of (-1). I havent seen this much posting ever on this board.
Danny,
Regarding your comment about Brooklyn. The biggest mis-conception that High School students have is that they believe that they get into Brooklyn easily. That is completely inaccurate. Brooklyn along with Baruch and Hunter are some of the toughest academic CUNY schools to get into. Other teams in the conference have open enrollment in which anyone can get accepted.
Many time older players and older students in general at colleges, especially public schools are either veterans who are in the Guard or Reserve and are paying for school that way. They could also be students who did not go to college initially out of high school and decided later to go to school. CUNY is not the only conference that has older players in it, the NJAC has several. I am sure that many other conferences have this issue. It shouldn't matter if a player is 60, if they can play and are academically eligible they have the right to play. Many coaches welcome these types of players, they are usually more mature, have real life experience and especially if they came out of the military they usually have some leadership skills.
Knight Stalker,
That is the best comment I have heard regarding this issue. CUNY is notorious for having older students.
Quote from: xalva66 on January 28, 2008, 10:04:47 AM
Ignorant? Mr Weismuller, I stated an opinion. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that Sean has had more of an impact at Brooklyn than Marlon Smith has had at Hunter. Thats an opinion. Thats my point. I understand he is your brother and all, but numbers do not lie.
Agreed, i didn't agree with that original statement about impacts either, based on the fact that a point guard usually has a bigger impact than a forward and BC was having a great season before he came.
Law of diminishing returns in basketball terms.... A good player can only make your team so much better if the team is already playing well.
I never said i was FOR or AGAINST Hunter having old players. The fact of the matter is they do and i think they're better and bigger than other players in the CUNY because of this. But, if they're so much older and bigger, how come they're not winning as much outside? Continue...
I also agree that schools should build their teams from freshman to senior year and i applaud Coach Rankis at Baruch and the coach at CSI for doing so (even though Baruch does take it's fair share of transfers as well...Louis Karis, Robi Davidson, Carl Emengo & Anwar Baptiste were all transfers that helped them win the CUNY and get to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament in 05'06).
However, I think it's uniquely special that older players can have a chance to play at the D3 level (D1 or D2 if never attended prior). Some people have different agendas and plans in life and they shouldn't be punished for that.
Seriously though: if you wanted to see what's going on, you could just open your eyes : The CUNYs aren't going ANYWHERE in terms of national championships. All academic schools like WILLIAMS & AMHERST, schools that 99 % of CUNY students could A) never get into and B) never afford are the ones taking down the D3 crown every year. Obviously those schools, schools building their teams from freshman to senior year are doing better than the ones taking in globs of transfers (Hunters' whole starting team is comprised of junior transfers aside from Gerard) and will continue to do so.
Team chemistry is a big deal (you all know this, i dont need to tell you) and guys who spend four years together doing EVERYTHING with one another certainly build that chemistry better than guys who go home to families and work after practice.
CUNY, along with the NJAC, are very special cases in D3 (basketball especially) and i think talking about it as we are makes for a very good conversation.
One of the biggest problems is that almost every HS kid believes that they are destined to a D1 scholarship. It takes a lot of maturity for a HS kid to come to the realization that only a small percentage of players get scholarships.
It's comical to hear someone say Maritime is a tough non-conference competitor. One good season in 20 years does not make them tough, they just got lucky when they beat Brooklyn, look at how they can't hang with the top teams in the Skyline, namely Farmingdale.
As for the clout of the Skyline they are now and will be for a long time, weaker than the CUNYAC. Now that Stevens, Merchant Marine and Manhattanville are not long a part of it, and their replacements were Poly, Purchase and Bard, the Skyline is nowhere near the CUNYAC in regards to level of competition.
Also, when did CSI and Baruch become Harvard and Yale??? I understand that apparently everyone loves Baruch because they always follow the rules apparently, which is a crock for anyone in the know and CSI which has a beautiful campus, but is still basically no better academically then it's prior 2-year college status. Regardless, a college degree is just that, because unless your going to become a lawyer or doctor, no one will really care where you graduated from. And as I always say, I don't care how old these kids are, as long as they earn a degree, they will be ten times better off they were before they got to CUNY. If it means using basketball as a draw to get them into a college and finish, then so be it.
I just love all the heat Hunter gets on here, kind of reminds me of a place that myself and knight_stalker call home.
where do you call home? the place where the devil lives?
Quote from: knight_life on January 28, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
As for the clout of the Skyline they are now and will be for a long time, weaker than the CUNYAC. Now that Stevens, Merchant Marine and Manhattanville are not long a part of it, and their replacements were Poly, Purchase and Bard, the Skyline is nowhere near the CUNYAC in regards to level of competition.
I agree with you that the Skyline is definitely weaker this year than it has been in recent years. The CUNYAC is stronger now, but not by the margin you seem to think. Plus, there's no way to know how long the CUNYAC will be better. This may not be a long-term deal.
Farmingdale and St. Joe's are good in the Skyline...the rest of the conference needs some work.
From the d3hoops.com scoreboard
Baruch 75, Stevens 71 (OT)
Big out-of-conference win for the Bearcats against #17 Stevens. George Kunkel had 21 points and 14 rebounds. Phil Schatz had 16 and Tammir Farid added 14, all from the line.
Stevens was led by Tim Williams with 23 points and 11 rebounds.
It's the second time this year that a Baruch basketball team defeated a Top 25 team. Earlier this year, the Baruch women's team defeated nationally ranked Messiah.
There's been probably 150,000 games or so in Division III history.
The largest margin of victory by a D-III team is only 14 months old. Lincoln beat Ohio State-Marion 201-78 in December 2006.
that's ridiculous
Quote from: knight_life on January 28, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
Also, when did CSI and Baruch become Harvard and Yale??? I understand that apparently everyone loves Baruch because they always follow the rules apparently, which is a crock for anyone in the know and CSI which has a beautiful campus, but is still basically no better academically then it's prior 2-year college status.
Quote from: xalva66 on January 28, 2008, 10:04:47 AM
Danny,
Regarding your comment about Brooklyn. The biggest mis-conception that High School students have is that they believe that they get into Brooklyn easily. That is completely inaccurate. Brooklyn along with Baruch and Hunter are some of the toughest academic CUNY schools to get into. Other teams in the conference have open enrollment in which anyone can get accepted.
I've been following these posts for a couple of months now and I think you all have brought up some good points and for the most part, you keep it respectful. I just would like to clarify a couple of misconceptions that are listed above. The only CUNY schools where there is anything resembling "open enrollment" are the community colleges. The senior colleges are broken into 3 tiers - and you do need to satisfy different academic requirements to qualify - so it is true that there is sometimes not a level playing field. Xalva is correct about Brooklyn, Hunter and Baruch being tough academically to get into, however that also includes CCNY and CSI. The requirements to gain entry into CSI's baccalaureate program (which you must be admitted to in order to be eligible for athletics) is exactly the same as Brooklyn's, with the exception that the math requirement is actually tougher at CSI. The students eligible to play at these CUNY schools are not only commuter students, paying their own way and doing things right - sometimes supporting families and holding down full time jobs, but academically they are very qualified and could gain entry to many top schools. An 85 HS average and 1100 SAT is the average of admitted students to these schools. It is true that CUNYAC has not done well against NJAC counterparts historically, but if anyone knows about the NJAC waivers and progress requirements, you can see why. I think CUNYAC is on the rise, and the popularity of this board is proof of that - we just need to make sure that information is accurate. Good luck to all - it's going to be a wild finish in the CUNY this season.
well said... You might get some Karma for that response...
Big win by Baruch in OT. Is Stevens the favorite to win the Empire 8?
What caused them to have a ranking over the other teams in their conference?
CCNY defeated Mitchell.
Brooklyn took down SUNY New-Paltz.
His karma will be better than mine now. Actually any new user will have better karma than me.
So the big game is tonight between hunter and York. Any thoughts on this game?
Hunter by 10
I think its going to come down to a possession or two. 6 point game. I cant say who since I have not seen York play. But both teams are good and at the top of their respective divisions. Will be a very interesting game. Look at Baruch with that nice win last night all over D3Hoops.Com.
I think that York is going to come out with the victory tonight. Wilson is on a roll and with the balanced scoring of Phipps, Roberts, and Esonwune it should be a tough but interesting game. Salamanca is also playing well in the last couple of games, dishing out 11 assists and only 3 turnovers in the game against Brooklyn.
york will win by 10 they are on a roll and i dont think hunter is going to win. but who knows its been crazy this year we just have to see how it goes. It should be a very good game i think this might be the preview for the championship. wait they said that last year and we smack them at home haha but that was last year and this is now
good win by baruch
bballgirl i like your reply do you go to york?
i got one more thing to get off of my chest. everybody keeps comparing the cuny to other conferences, i think the cuny conf would be a very good conference if the schools had dorms to offer students. plus alot of the cuny school dont have the budget to bring in alot of players because of it. there are alot of players in the city who dont get the chance to play d1 or d2, and they choose to go to d3 school, that are in the skyline, empire 8, and njac. i been told by plenty of high school player who said they would attend a cuny school but there are no dorms. thats why the njac the skyline and other conference have been better in the past. what do you think about that? this question is open for all
the dorms situation is true if you're talking about 18, 19 year old kids looking to leave home for the first time and go to school but...
CUNY should be able to attract more older guys who are looking to finish up and older guys (mid 20's) who can play ball in theory, should be able to beat up on 18, 19 year olds fresh out of HS.
The CUNYs are wide open this year, I dont think anybody can even predict who will get past the first round, let alone whose going to make it to the championship. If the season ended today, Brooklyn would be playing Baruch in the first round. I mean thats a pretty crazy matchup for a first round game. I mean there have also been 7-8 seeds almost pulling out the upset every year in the first round (note: Hunter vs Medgar Evers when Lorcan Precious hit a buzzer beating three to go into OT) and that year Medgar Evers was considered unstoppable with all of those players they had. The game is all about matchups. Some teams match up better with other teams and that is what the game all comes down to. But in the end, the best team truly comes out on top.
you are right we had the oldest team in cuny last year and we beat up on alot of cuny teams. but can you imagine if they had dorms, and if the schools had more money how crazy would that be i feel the cuny would be a force in the atlantic region with dorms and bigger gyms, we already live in one of the biggest cities in the usa, now that would be fun to see even queens college dont have dorms and they are d2 that goes to show you that the bigger schools get the better player because of dorms and gyms.
well, CUNY was setup for middle to lower class citizens to earn college degrees and primarily, CUNY still stands for that. You don't see that many wealthy kids from Westchester and the Upper East Side attending CUNY schools do you?
The dorms would help perhaps Hunter College because it is one of the better academic CUNYs and a lot of out of state students come to the city to go to Hunter, as it is a much less expensive alternative to NYU. Aside from Hunter however, I don't see how dorms would aid CUNY attracting athletes because the majority of the students who want to and do attend CUNY schools are inner city kids who already live in New York or the surrounding areas.
i know new york city high school basketball is one of the best regions in the country. the reason thats the case because all these monster HS programs have players that get the exposure wihch allows them to play Division I and Division II. That leaves the division III programs in the area the guys that played behind these high school stars. These players have no game experience and cannot compete with the division III powers upstate or in the midwest, which include players that dont have as many choices for college in their local area so all the best players end up goin to same school.
Hunter 81, York 70
Hunter
Michael Dodd 20 pts
Marlon Smith 16 pts
Joe DeLuca 16 pts
York
Mike Salamanca 14 pts
Omari Phipps 14 pts
Chris Roberts 12 pts
Hunter won this game pretty convincingly. It was nip and tuck until Marlon Smith took over late in the first half to propel the Hawks to a 43-29 advantage at the break. In the second half Hunter was in command throughout but had to withstand a couple of mild runs by the Cardinals.
Smith had a solid all-around game. He passed the ball well and played good defense. DeLuca posted up very effectively in the second half. Dodd got back on track and shot well from downtown as well as closer to the hoop. Frantz Millien was also a factor off the bench.
For York, Salamanca played very well in the first half, but faded in the closing stanza. He also made a whole lot of very nice passes, many of which were not converted. Roberts and Phipps were both effective down low for York. Aaron Wilson did not shoot well and was not a factor.
Well I was wrong. Hunter did beat York but for one and only one reason, Wilson had a really bad game. I guarantee that if Wilson had a game like he did at Brooklyn York would've came out with the win. The #1 seed in the playoffs is still up for grab though but I do believe that with Baruch coming up with the big win the other night it will be a good game when Baruch meets Hunter again on Feb 7th.
There are always if's in this world. I can tell her that if Michael Dodd was not slumping a month ago, CSI would have lost to Hunter. But, nothing can be changed, Wilson had a bad game, it happens. His shots were off, was shooting high for some reason and just wasn't able to get into any sort of rythem. So maybe Wilson is not York's savior after all.
I can tell you this as well, Smith has helped Hunter, but on the season, DeLuca has been the driving force behind this team's success.
did i say hunter by 10? close...i meant 11
CSI kept pace with Hunter when the Dolphins beat Lehman last night on the road, 78-76. It was CSI's eighth straight conference win. CSI and Hunter are both 8-2. Brooklyn and York are both 7-3.
I think you have to say Hunter is the favorite right now, they seem to be playing well. CSI is on a roll as well and squeaked out a win last nite.
Like I said after the Brooklyn/York game, if Wilson isn't on point, York might have some trouble scoring. Hunter's coach was at the Brooklyn/York game and I'm sure he emphasized shutting down Wilson.
Big game this weekend with Brooklyn visiting CSI.
If Brooklyn wins Saturday, they control their own destiny for first place in the conference.
Good chance we have three teams finish with 10-3 records.
bballgirl86,
I guess Hunter deserves no credit in making him have a bad game. I understand that he was in foul trouble, but he did not look comfortable in the offense even before he got into foul trouble. Some shots were 40 feet in the air. Now understand with Wilson out of the game, York began to force the post play to Pips and he played like a beast. If Wilson was in the game and playing well, maybe York doesn't go down into the post as much. You can just say, Wilson had a bad game and thats why they lost.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on January 31, 2008, 09:26:17 AM
I think you have to say Hunter is the favorite right now, they seem to be playing well. CSI is on a roll as well and squeaked out a win last nite.
Like I said after the Brooklyn/York game, if Wilson isn't on point, York might have some trouble scoring. Hunter's coach was at the Brooklyn/York game and I'm sure he emphasized shutting down Wilson.
Big game this weekend with Brooklyn visiting CSI.
If Brooklyn wins Saturday, they control their own destiny for first place in the conference.
Good chance we have three teams finish with 10-3 records.
You mean they control their own destiny within their division. A Brooklyn win on Saturday would put Hunter in sole possession of first place. But let me not get ahead of myself. Hunter has NYCCT tomorrow night and they shocked CUNY when they beat Brooklyn early in the season. Right now, CSI holds its own destiny. If they win out, they will be in first place. If they lose saturday and Hunter wins tomorrow, then Hunter holds its own destiny. For once, I am rooting for Brooklyn. Go BRIDGES!!!
Two quick points on the newer version of the CUNY you all know and the current trends...
1. Besides Hunter and CCNY, Queens (2009) and CSI (2010) are in the process of building dorms on campus with others looking into it...
2. The academic standards were raised significantly quite a while ago when all the remedials were delegated to the community colleges and with the introduction of the Honors College - such moves have allowed CUNY to recruit a different and younger high school student. Across the board the CUNY students of today are very close to the standards across the country in terms of age, although we still serve the "older" generation. As I said before though, Baruch, Brooklyn, CCNY, Hunter and Queens are by far the toughest to get into while some others are inching closer to their standards.
Quote from: xalva66 on January 31, 2008, 10:45:45 AM
You mean they control their own destiny within their division. A Brooklyn win on Saturday would put Hunter in sole possession of first place. But let me not get ahead of myself. Hunter has NYCCT tomorrow night and they shocked CUNY when they beat Brooklyn early in the season. Right now, CSI holds its own destiny. If they win out, they will be in first place. If they lose saturday and Hunter wins tomorrow, then Hunter holds its own destiny. For once, I am rooting for Brooklyn. Go BRIDGES!!!
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my bad..i didnt realize Hunter only had 2 conf losses... if Baruch can beat hunter then it could be come a possibility.. so i'm rooting for Baruch I guess...
Here are the schedules for the teams that are battling for the #1 seed in the CUNYAC Tournament:
CSI (8-2): Brooklyn, John Jay, @ York
Hunter (8-2): @ NYC Tech, @ Baruch, @ John Jay
Brooklyn (7-3): @ CSI, Medgar Evers, CCNY
York (7-3): Medgar Evers, @ NYC Tech, CSI
Baruch (6-4): @ CCNY, Hunter, @ Lehman
Quote from: xalva66 on January 31, 2008, 10:12:11 AM
bballgirl86,
I guess Hunter deserves no credit in making him have a bad game. I understand that he was in foul trouble, but he did not look comfortable in the offense even before he got into foul trouble. Some shots were 40 feet in the air. Now understand with Wilson out of the game, York began to force the post play to Pips and he played like a beast. If Wilson was in the game and playing well, maybe York doesn't go down into the post as much. You can just say, Wilson had a bad game and thats why they lost.
I think that they still would go down in the post b/c looking back at the bc game all three big men for york were in double digits in scoring but that still didnt stop Wilson from going lights out. Ill give it to hunter although I was not there the whole game from what I saw they were playing tight defense on wilson. Wilson only scored 7 points. If he had a solid game along with the other guys on the team hunter didnt stand a chance. I still believe that york is still a contender for the championship. Look at last years team some people starting counting them out cause of the loses late in the season to JJ and CSI but they still won. 2 years ago #1 Baruch was favored to win the championship but #3 York came out and played kept the lead and never looked back. That goes to show you that anything can happen especially in CUNY
regardless of any late season collapse, York was by far still considered the top team and the odds on favorite last season. Not many people gave CSI a chance against them in the championship. I mean that game alone goes to show you that anyone can beat anyone (just in case you didnt know, York won on a buzzer beating hail mary from half court). Again, I am still not saying that Hunter is the favorite. There are about 5 teams that are all possible candidates.
Did you expect Hunter just to sit back and let Wilson just to shoot the gym out. Of course they are going to play tight defense on him. Hes a good player.
You do realize that York averages 70 points per game on the season and they scored.... 70 points against Hunter. York lost the game because on the season, on average, they give up 65 points per game and they gave up 81 against Hunter.
Anyway, good luck on the rest of the year.
brooklyn beats st.joes of brooklyn last night...usually a competetive game in years past. This year the bridges handled them pretty easily. a nice tune up game for the battle of the verrazano with them and csi...lookin at the schedule st joe's have had a tough year this year. Their schedule is a lot stronger than before..an up and coming program, but suffering some growing pains...o and by the way marlon smith has proved his worth this week with the win over york. i dont wanna hear anyone downplay this transfer anymore...he has made them the favorite in the conference.
st. joe's of brooklyn isn't even D3 affiliated.
NYC Tech 73, Hunter 68
NYC Tech
Ryan Phillip 24 pts
Jamaal Hall 20 pts
Andrew Vaughn 9 pts
Hunter
Michael Dodd 20 pts
Marlon Smith 13 pts
Gerard Ciarleglio 9 pts
This game was close all the way, but excellent play by Ryan Phillip and Jamaal Hall down the stretch gave the Yellow Jackets the victory. Hunter had a chance to tie the game with 10 seconds remaining but an off-balance three-point attempt by Marlon Smith was off the mark.
Phillip was extremely impressive tonight, scoring repeatedly inside. The Hawks were simply unable to handle him. Hall had a quiet first half (courtesy of outstanding defense by Marlon Smith), but got going in the second half when his teammates began to set some good screens.
Michael Dodd played well for Hunter and shot pretty well. Marlon Smith had a good first half but struggled in the closing stanza. Frantz Millien played well in spots, but was plagued by foul problems. Joe DeLuca did not play in the first half and finished with seven points.
This game fulfilled a typical CUNYAC scenario: On Wednesday, Hunter looked unbeatable against York. Two days later they lose to the seventh-place team.
Quote from: NYBB on February 01, 2008, 08:31:58 PM
st. joe's of brooklyn isn't even D3 affiliated.
I believe St. Joe's (Brooklyn) is a first-year D3 provisional.
what conference is St. Joe's of BK going to join next season?
right now I believe they compete in the non automatic bid receiving Hudson Valley conference. Certainly they are going to need to step up the competition and try to get into some conference. I wouldn't at this point put them on my post season resume if I was Brooklyn, CSI or anyone else who plays them.
Wow NYC Tech with a nice win. Going to BC at CSI today should be a heated contest. CSI should be better suited to play the uptempo game with the Bridges today with the addition of Brian Amenerios. I think the key to the game is if Mesjasz can continue to shoot lights out and give the dolphins a legit scoring threat . Also they have to limit the quality of good looks Baptiste gets. I don't think the press will be that effective today for BC so they have to prove they can play half-court defense. Good luck to both teams, I hope nothing stupid happens today. C-ya there.
As Coach AG mentioned, the big game today is Brooklyn at CSI. It marks Weismuller's return to CSI and it should be an emotional game for both teams. Brooklyn beat CSI, 72-70, at Roosevelt Gym on 12/4. That was the last CUNYAC defeat for CSI. Since then the Dolphins have won eight straight games. A CSI victory will put the Dolphins one game up on Hunter and York. A Brooklyn victory will make it a four-way tie for first place!
I think anyone who has had anything to say on this board over the last few months, should ensure that they are at this game tonight between BC and CSI. It should be a game for the ages and the game should be played in front of a championship like crowd. I know I'll have my popcorn ready and a front row seat.
Who'll be attending? Xalva? I'll warm up the seat right next to me for you pal.
Getting to CSI isn't easy from upper manhattan so ya'all just have to let me know what happens.
Per the D3hoops.com scoreboard
Brooklyn 93, CSI 80
I didn't see the game. Does anyone have an eyewitness account?
There's now a four-way tie for the best record in the conference. Brooklyn, CSI, Hunter and York are all 8-3. Baruch is one game behind at 7-4. Pretty good parity.
Brooklyn took down CSI tonight in front of a nice size crowd.
Talk about a crazy game.
BC was down 10 at the half and down 18 points with 11 minutes left but outscored CSI 62-37 in the second half.
They stormed back behind Baptiste who lit up csi... 12-19 for 32 points. No one was able to stop him in the second half. He just took over. The supporting cast stepped up as all 5 of Brooklyns starters scored in double figures including my brother who started his first CUNY game for BC and contributed 12 points.
CSI controlled the game for 32 minutes. They were shooting the lights out, MOntervino, Hennesy, Mesjav, and Amerinous lit it up from the out side. They must of shot close to 70 percent in the first half from behind the arc and shot 13-26 from 3pt range for the game. Mesjav had a good game with 24 points.. Brooklyn's D was pretty bad but came alive in the second half. CSI was relying primarily on their perimeter game for most of the game.
Overall it was great game for BC as they now control their own destiny for the #1 seed in CUNY. If coach P can get them to commit to playing hard defense for 40 minutes they are going to be tough to beat as they have enough fire power to hang with anyone in the region.
Good game. My girlfriend says CSI lost because they're the ugliest basketball team in the world lol so there you have it
Excellent breakdown of the game Danny. I thought once CSI went up by 18 they stopped going in attack mode and tried to kill clock which made them flat for the finish. That combined with Baptiste who completely took over was the difference in the game. I am curious to see how many he scored in the second half because I didnt even know he was out there in the 1st. Great game to be at overall with one of the largest crowds that I have seen at a regular season CUNY game. The final was not a indicator of how good a game this was.
Danny: Nice summary and analysis. It sounds like Brooklyn blew CSI away in the second half.
Coach AG: Nice to hear that the game lived up to its billing and there was a big crowd at the game as well.
Quote from: Coach AG on February 03, 2008, 12:56:31 AM
Great game to be at overall with one of the largest crowds that I have seen at a regular season CUNY game. The final was not a indicator of how good a game this was.
I brought a few friends to the game who said this was probabaly one of the most entertaining games they have ever seen.
Besides Baptiste, for CSI, Mesjasv played his butt off and was the catalyst for CSI the whole game. They couldn't do much down low and he was the only one penetrating with any authority. He did have some costly turnovers but someone had to create some offense.
The last 5 minutes though they seemed to fatigue and CSI had a hard time keeping up with the tempo.
On a side note,
One thing that drives me nuts these days in the Region is the abundance of charge calls given. It seems that any time a player falls down, a charge is called. I see it more in the NJAC games but BC and CSI both had foul trouble due to questionable charge calls and tic-tac fouls. A few people who I played with say the same thing. Is it just me?
I asked one of the head officials a few weeks ago about this and he told me that the offense has become so good that they have to give some kind edge to the defense. I'm not sold on that.. Curious as to what everyone else was thinking?
Hunter 91, St. Joseph's, LI 88
Hunter
Marlon Smith 21 pts
Joseph DeLuca 20 pts
Frantz Millien 16 pts
St. Joseph's
David Acree 26 pts
Phil Lipari 23 pts
Sean Hyde 14 pts
This game was close all the way and went down to the wire. These two teams are pretty evenly matched and neither one could open up much of a lead. It was a very physical game that had several near brawls, but it never got out of hand.
This contest featured a very good matchup between Marlon Smith and David Acree, who are two of the best guards in the Atlantic region. Both of them played well, and it was more or less a standoff. In addition to Smith, Joe DeLuca played very well for Hunter, hitting several big shots down the stretch. Frantz Millien also played well for the Hawks scoring inside and giving them a physical presence underneath the boards.
For St. Joe's, Phil Lipari started off on fire but slowed down a bit in the second half. Sean Hyde played well inside for the Golden Eagles as did Brandon Freeman.
It was a good win for Hunter and a tough loss for St. Joe's. I was expecting a good game between these two and that's exactly how it played out.
Two best teams in the Skyline/CUNY. Great game.
Baruch, Brooklyn, CSI, York and Farmingdale all probably hold a different opinion.
Quote from: NYBB on February 05, 2008, 02:11:42 PM
Two best teams in the Skyline/CUNY. Great game.
I'm sure City Tech might have something to say as well.
Today's CUNYAC Games:
John Jay (5-6) @ CSI (8-3)
Lehman (4-7) @ CCNY (2-9)
Medgar Evers (0-12) @ Brooklyn (8-3)
York (8-3) @ NYC Tech (6-6)
Tonight's game at Brooklyn is Medgar Evers' last chance to pick up a conference victory. Here's a list of some CUNYAC games that the Cougars were very competitive but came up a bit short:
1/5 NYC Tech 79-74
1/9 CCNY 63-61
1/11 John Jay 58-53
1/16 Hunter 85-75 (OT)
1/18 Baruch 77-73
2/4 NYC Tech 82-81 (OT)
They have been playing well. You never know. ANYTHING could happen.
Results from 2/6
Brooklyn 80, Medgar Evers 66
CSI 79, John Jay 76
Lehman 60, CCNY 55
York 60, NYC Tech 58
No upsets last night. Brooklyn, CSI and York all have 9-3 records. Medgar goes winless in conference play. I don't know if that's a first or not.
Today's game: Hunter (8-3) @ Baruch (7-4)
Took in the BC/Medgar game. BC was up by ten most of the first half. Medgar actually took the lead 5 minutes into the 2nd half for about 30 seconds but BC took over and controlled the game. Baptiste lit it up again from all over the court.
Game was crowded last nite and I'm sure the home playoff game is going to pack the gym. Pretty pissed I'm going to miss the first round playoff game since I'll be away and the 2nd round game due to class. I guess I need them to make the championship in order to see them play again.
The last CUNY game is huge for everyone... there is a possibility of dropping or gaining 3 or 4 spots in the seeding with a win/loss this weekend.
On Medgar....
I think Medgar is probably the best worst team in conference history.
A friend who follows the Medgar program thinks they just have a losing mentality right now which i guess is obvious from the fact that they have been leading in a lot of the games they lose. Their coaches seem energetic and to be doing some good things, but a lack of experience and a terrible facility make it tough to recruit.
Hunter/Baruch is huge tonight. If Hunter wins, then they lock a first round home game. If not, it looks like they will be playing Baruch in the first round of the playoffs.
Anyone know what happened to the Xavier Gonzalez kid at CCNY?
He was rookie of the week earlier in the season i believe but now i dont see him on their roster? Also they dont have their stats up on their page which is odd. Any info?
probably Academic Ineligble.
I have no idea how City Tech stays in these games. They have one decent big guy and their PG is an excellent scorer but where is the supporting cast?
Also, regarding Medgar Evers...
They have an extremely young team and enthusiastic coach. They were in more games then their record dictates and I think they're going to be quite good in the next few years to come if they don't lose players out of their school. I think this is an underdog program you can feel good about supporting right now
wow, Hunter really laid an egg against Baruch....it was almost as bad as the Shaq trade for Phoenix.
Hunter shot 5-17 from the free throw line.
Baruch 74, Hunter 65
Baruch
Tammer Farid 18 pts
Phil Schatz 13 pts
Adrian Serrano 11 pts
Hunter
Marlon Smith 18 pts
Justin Antes 11 pts
Joe DeLuca 10 pts
This game was competitive pretty much until the last minute or so. Hunter simply couldn't get it done in crunch time. Farid, Schatz and Serrano all hit big shots down the stretch. Nice win for Baruch, as it puts them in a tie with Hunter at 8-4.
Hunter looked very good against York and St. Joe's, and very beatable against City Tech and Baruch.
Quote from: xalva66 on February 08, 2008, 08:33:59 AM
Hunter shot 5-17 from the free throw line.
That certainly didn't help.
Quote from: NYBB on February 07, 2008, 02:16:29 PM
I have no idea how City Tech stays in these games. They have one decent big guy and their PG is an excellent scorer but where is the supporting cast?
Their "decent big guy" is Ryan Phillip. He's the leading rebounder in the conference and is third in scoring. He also has a conference-leading 18 double-doubles. I'd say he's a bit more than decent. But I do agree with you that outiside of Phillip and Hall the Yellow Jackets don't have much talent.
If Hunter shoots 11-17 then its a completely different game but those are free opportunities that a team has to make. Shatz hit a big shot down the stretch and Hunter could not make anything down the stretch and most importantly, Baruch hit their free throws.
It is very difficult to beat a team like Baruch twice in one season. The atmostphere was extremely hostile, in particular behind the Hunter bench where fans were literally on top of the team during their timeouts. At one point during a timeout, 4 girls (I guess from the step club) were doing a dance right on the bench where the coach stands during the game. They didnt leave until after the ball was inbounded. Near the end of the game, a Baruch fan walked across the court towards the Hunter bench while Baruch was shooting Free Throws down the other end. Apparently he was going to sit behind the bench with the other fans.
At the conclusion of both games, the court became filled with Baruch fans like they just won the CUNY championship.
This is no excuse for the lose. Baruch played better down the stretch, plain and simple. But it is very surprising (or at least to me) that nothing was done about it.
Quote from: xalva66 on February 08, 2008, 10:53:24 AM
If Hunter shoots 11-17 then its a completely different game but those are free opportunities that a team has to make. Shatz hit a big shot down the stretch and Hunter could not make anything down the stretch and most importantly, Baruch hit their free throws.
It is very difficult to beat a team like Baruch twice in one season. The atmostphere was extremely hostile, in particular behind the Hunter bench where fans were literally on top of the team during their timeouts. At one point during a timeout, 4 girls (I guess from the step club) were doing a dance right on the bench where the coach stands during the game. They didnt leave until after the ball was inbounded. Near the end of the game, a Baruch fan walked across the court towards the Hunter bench while Baruch was shooting Free Throws down the other end. Apparently he was going to sit behind the bench with the other fans.
At the conclusion of both games, the court became filled with Baruch fans like they just won the CUNY championship.
This is no excuse for the lose. Baruch played better down the stretch, plain and simple. But it is very surprising (or at least to me) that nothing was done about it.
Oh come on George, that's like saying if the Knicks hadn't made the deal for Marbury a few years ago they'd be the best team in the east. Quite often teams miss a lot of free throws in close games because it a close game and they get tight. Happens all the time. And the offical book has Hunter shooting 5 for 16. You could just as easily say it would have been a totally differnt game if Hunter shot 5 for 25 from the 3 point line (instead of 10 for 25).
I thought that the best point guard in D3 hoops would be able to take over these close games, whether on the road at a "hostile" environment or on the friendly confines of his home court. Especially if he was able to deal with road games in the big 10 a few years ago (as one of the posters astutely pointed out a while back). Instead he missed a critical free throw down the stretch (this is not to diminish his game - he is a fine player and I think we are all happy to see him on the court again after what he went through).
And are you kidding me about the "hostile" nature of the crowd. Last night was nothing compared to many of the snake pits that so many d1 d2 and d3 teams play in. Have you been to any NJAC games lately? I have seen D1 teams take all of their huddles to stools on the free throw line to get away from the crowd and the noise. I guess it would be better to play all of the games in those empty gyms that CUNY usually gets. Most good teams and solid players relish opportunites like Hunter had last night. It was a great atmosphere for college hoops.
The bottom line is 2 good teams. one executed and handled the presure the other didn't. The shoe could very well be on the other foot in the play-offs... as long as the crowd isn't too big and loud.
Thats interesting. D1 crowds are controlled. If a fan jumps out on the visiting team bench they get removed from the building. Next time I will make two separate posts regarding two different things. Again, for the third time I will say this (I said it twice in my last post), HUNTER DID NOT EXECUTE DOWN THE STRETCH AND BARUCH DID. HUNTER DID NOT HIT THEIR FREE THROWS AND BARUCH DID. That is why Baruch won the game.
Again, here comes another new poster on the website. Hey Mr Moderator, can you tell if this is a new person all together or if this is someone who has a different IP address.
from my recollection, Marlon Smith went 3-4 from the line down the stretch. Franz Millen and Joe Deluca shot a combined 1-9 from the line and I dont believe any of them were down the stretch. When I say Baruch hit Free Throws and Hunter did not, I meant for the entire game and not just down the stretch.
Hunter: 5-16
Baruch: 16-22
Please treat the below reply as a separate message. My comments below have nothing to do with the play of Hunter. With that said:
I didnt mention anything about Baruch being loud. That is a great atmosphere to play in. What bothered me was that the visiting team bench is wedged up against the bleachers. So close that if someone sitting in the first row leans over the guard rail, there head is literally in the huddle of visiting team. Also, no one should be running onto the team bench area from the bleachers during a time out. I watched 4 girls have a dance off right in the area of which the opposing coach stands during the time of play and they were not asked to go back into the bleachers by the Baruch staff. Also, just something that happened at the end of the Women's game, the court was filled with Baruch fans and someone who was in the middle of the crowd (on the court) started to throw rubber balls at people in the bleachers.
if every CUNY game was like the Hunter/Baruch one, the conference might actually draw some attention and be for real and not the national joke that it is.
Let me add to that by saying that I went to Baruch and they have over 11,000 undergrads or something absolutely ridiculous like that. They should be drawing at least 500 per game, MINIMUM!
Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.
Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.
Quote from: wendellladner on February 08, 2008, 02:24:27 PM
I thought that the best point guard in D3 hoops would be able to take over these close games, whether on the road at a "hostile" environment or on the friendly confines of his home court.
He did. But he played in New London, Conn., against Connecticut College. :)
i hope you're not suggesting that Andrew Olson is better than Marlon Smith lol. That's just awful. Marlon Smith can run circles around Olson and then dunk on him 5x.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on February 09, 2008, 02:04:21 AM
Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.
Maybe Zak can clarify but Yorks website is claiming they clinched the #1 seed and that the tie breaker is point different from the two times the teams played each other. (Which York outscored BC by 5 between the two times they faced each other)
Seems like the York/CSI game was similar to the BC game... CSI shot well in the first half (7-12 from 3pt land) but doesnt come up big down the stretch. Aaron Wilson shot well and York more than doubled CSI on the glass.
So, with the seedings shaping up.....
I think this season, you really cant discount the fact that the 5-8 seeds all have the ability to win.
Hunter or Baruch, City Tech, John Jay, Lehman have all proved they can beat any of the top seeds.
This should have all the coaches nervous for all the playoff games
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on February 09, 2008, 02:04:21 AM
Barring a catastrophe, both Brooklyn and York will finish at 10-3, making them co-division champs. However, the identical records will cause a tiebreaker scenario, as they split their head to head matchups, does anyone have an idea as to what the next logical move is? Some say point differential in their two games, while others may say highest seed beat or other scenarios. Does anyone have any solid knowledge of the topic? Could you please enlighten us all and help us to clear the smoke of the vast possibilities of the forthcoming CUNY playoffs.
The way that the tie breaker works is the CUNYAC will look at both York/BC games to determine the #1 seed which is York. This is how it works, when BC came to York the final score was 83-74 which is a nine point difference. When York went to BC the final score was 86-72 which is a 14 point difference. Because York beat BC by more points than BC beat York that becomes the tie breaker. So to answer your question yes it does work on a point differential system.
York now clinches the South division and also a #1 seed in the playoffs, which means nothing because teams come out to play and win during playoffs. Indicator, 2 years ago York was the underdog and the #3 seed vs. Baruch and they were the eventual champs. With the great coaching of Ron St. Jonh York has a really good chance of a 3peat.
LETS GO YORK!
Thank you commissioner.
Well first BC needs to win today but the Rule which is now stated on CUNY's website doesn't make any sense.....of why York has the 1 seed locked
With a BC win today.....
a. "head to head " BC and York Split series
b. "division record" both 6-2 in division play...
3rd rule is "c. The team with a loss to the highest ranking non-tied team"
now this would mean that BC has one up on York since they beat CSI twice and York split with them. CSI is the next highest ranking opponent... but later is says that since BC/YORK are in first that rule is irrelavant....
How can this be??? Since both team finished in first BC is penalized?
This doesnt make any sense.....
When there is a tie for first place that rule is not enforced??? What's the point of having that rule in there? For 6th and 7th place teams...
I'm thinking the CUNY website was incorrect??
Anyway.. all this caucasing doesn't mean anything if BC doesn't win today....
Go BC..
Here it go's---
York vs. Lehman
Baruch vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. City Tech
CSI vs. John Jay
I feel every game could go anyway except maybe the York game, but who knows?
What did I say 2 weeks ago about John Jay, very scary team to face in the first round. They are a deep team with a legit point guard in Mascall, they have a legit scorer in #34 and Kased looks to be regaining his dominance in the paint.
Go CSI
#34= Vaughn Mason
John Jay 92, Hunter 85
John Jay
Hakeem Kased 18 pts
Godfrey Mascall 16 pts
Emilio Gomez 15 pts
Hunter
Marlon Smith 26 pts
Joe DeLuca 19 pts
Gerard Ciarleglio 16 pts
John Jay led 50-37 at the half and opened up an even bigger lead before Hunter fought back to close the gap only to falter in crunch time. With Kelly and Evans gone, Hunter's lack of depth is obvious and it may very well do them in.
I'm in complete agreement with Coach AG regarding John Jay. The Bloodhounds are very deep and quite capable of pulling off an upset in the first round. Hunter looked quite good against York, but since then has lost their last three conference games.
Quote from: NYBB on February 09, 2008, 04:23:23 AM
i hope you're not suggesting that Andrew Olson is better than Marlon Smith lol. That's just awful. Marlon Smith can run circles around Olson and then dunk on him 5x.
I welcome Smith leading his team to the playoffs so we can find out.
I don't care if he can run circles around him (doubt it) and certainly don't care if he can dunk it over him (I'd hope he can). This isn't Penn State, Fordham or Robert Morris-Chicago.
Hunter actually opened the season at Amherst, but Smith was not on the roster yet. In order for a rematch to take place, Hunter would have to go on a nice winning streak beginning Saturday, February 16.
Quote from: Coach AG on February 09, 2008, 07:58:57 PM
York vs. Lehman
Baruch vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. City Tech
CSI vs. John Jay
Don't be surprised if BC gets the #1 seed and faces Lehman. If you noticed CUNY took down their original post on their website about seeding.
My guess is they realized what I mentioned in the previous post about the tiebreaker which states about losses to a higher ranked team. Against CSI and Hunter .. BC is 3-0 where York is 1-2.
I don't know if having the #1 seed is so advantageous....
Your road to the finals as a 2 seed is City then CSI (hypothetically)
but as a 1 seed its Lehman, Baruch/Hunter....
It's anyones tourney right now.....
I wouldnt be surprised if any of the top 5 seeds take the crown.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 10, 2008, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: Coach AG on February 09, 2008, 07:58:57 PM
York vs. Lehman
Baruch vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. City Tech
CSI vs. John Jay
Don't be surprised if BC gets the #1 seed and faces Lehman. If you noticed CUNY took down their original post on their website about seeding.
My guess is they realized what I mentioned in the previous post about the tiebreaker which states about losses to a higher ranked team. Against CSI and Hunter .. BC is 3-0 where York is 1-2.
I don't know if having the #1 seed is so advantageous....
Your road to the finals as a 2 seed is City then CSI (hypothetically)
but as a 1 seed its Lehman, Baruch/Hunter....
It's anyones tourney right now.....
I wouldnt be surprised if any of the top 5 seeds take the crown.
I believe that york is still the #1 seed. Like u mentioned they look at the head to head which york has the upper hand by 5 points. If you go back to when your brother was a freshmen at csi u will find that there was a tie for the south division, they split the series then 2 but because csi beat york by more points they got the south division title and the #2 seed. But we will eventually see the seedings this week when they are posted, but I'll put my money that york will be #1.
Quote from: bballgirl86 on February 10, 2008, 11:13:14 AM
I believe that york is still the #1 seed. Like u mentioned they look at the head to head which york has the upper hand by 5 points. If you go back to when your brother was a freshmen at csi u will find that there was a tie for the south division, they split the series then 2 but because csi beat york by more points they got the south division title and the #2 seed. But we will eventually see the seedings this week when they are posted, but I'll put my money that york will be #1.
Correct but my understanding is after that year... the coaches got together and added thast higher ranked opponent rule to dispute cases like this.
But I'll guess we'll wait and see... Interesting though...
Like i said, I don't know if it even matters since the league is so balanced this year..
We could possibly see not one tourney game decided by more than 10 points..
I found this on the CUNYAC website earlier today (although I can't find it now).
In the event of a tie, the following criteria will be used to determine the seeding for the tournament:
a. Head to head results
b. Division record
c. The team with a loss to the highest ranking non-tied team
d. The least number of points allowed between tied teams
e. The fewest points allowed in conference play
If the above is correct and I interpreted it properly then the seeding will be as follows:
#8 Lehman @ #1 York
#7 NYC Tech @ #2 Brooklyn
#6 John Jay @ #3 CSI
#5 Hunter @ #4 Baruch
These are the exact same matchups that Coach AG stated.
Rhodes.. if this is what you are following..
how can you have York in front of Brooklyn??
What about rule C.????
"The team with a loss to the highest ranking oppponent"
This is before rule D about point differential.
I just went down the list one at a time and the first rule that broke the tie ended it. So for York and Brooklyn, rules a & b didn't settle the matter so I went to c. And c gives the edge to York because they lost to CSI, which is the highest ranking non-tied team. Is that correct?
Interesting.....
I didn't think of it like that. I guess I took the rule as wins against next highest ranked opponent...but the wording is a loss to the highest ranking oppponent.
Meaning whoever had losses to better competition?
York loses to CSI who had a better record. . BC lost to lower ranked opponents and thats what decides it?
Wow.. I can't say I agree with that but I guess when you read the rule like that your point is valid.
Thanks for the clarification. I guess that's why they call you the scholar.
So since we're on the tiebreaker topic....
I like the wins against common higher ranked opponent as a tiebreaker as I feel they are a better gauge of how well your team is capable of playing, what does a loss to a high ranked team prove?
As Vince Lombardi said... "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"
I Havent been on in a while but can anybody please say three peat by york. oh i did already york is taking the chip like i been saying the whole season. And i also like how they are running the playoffs this year with the higher seed getting a home game. I cant wait i hope i see you all at ccny i know i will be there.
Lets Get It YORK!
Coach Plevritis isn't going to take these last few losses lightly...i see Hunter making a huge comeback charge and taking this CUNY playoff down.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 10, 2008, 11:07:50 PM
York loses to CSI who had a better record. . BC lost to lower ranked opponents and thats what decides it?
That's my understanding of the rule. Don't know if it's correct. I guess we'll all know soon enough.
Quote from: NYBB on February 11, 2008, 03:24:41 PM
Coach Plevritis isn't going to take these last few losses lightly...i see Hunter making a huge comeback charge and taking this CUNY playoff down.
If the Hawks play like they did against York they could win the tournament. If they play like they did against Baruch and John Jay they'll be one and done. They're a tough team to figure out and seem to be more inconsistent than some of the others.
team chemistry is a problem when you have a lot of older guys and a D1 point guard.
2008 CUNYAC/Con Edison Senior College
Men's Basketball Championships
Quarterfinals
Saturday, Feb. 16
(8) Lehman at (1) York, 1 p.m. *
(5) Hunter at (4) Baruch, 5 p.m.
(7) City Tech at (2) Brooklyn, 1 p.m. *
(6) John Jay at (3) Staten Island, 1 p.m. (Time Warner Cable - LIVE)
* NOTE: An appeal has been put forth to the CUNYAC's Standards and Ethics Committee regarding the seeding of the No. 1 and 2 positions, which may affect the pairings. Check back on this page often to view finalized information as it becomes available to cunyathletics.com.
Brooklyn has apparently appealed their #2 seeding. I'm wondering on what grounds this appeal is based upon. I don't know if that information will be made public or not. Anyway the schedule is out, albeit on a tentative basis.
Here's how the tournament teams fared against each other in the regular season (home team in bold):
#8 Lehman @ #1 York
1/9 York 70, Lehman 54
#7 NYC Tech @ #2 Brooklyn
1/3 NYC Tech 92, Brooklyn 88
1/18 Brooklyn 99, NYC Tech 80
#6 John Jay @ #3 CSI
2/6 CSI 79, John Jay 76
#5 Hunter @ #4 Baruch
1/25 Hunter 93, Baruch 80
2/7 Baruch 74, Hunter 65
I still don't see how Hunter loses so often...oh well. we'll see what happens in the playoff
Just FYI - the seedings are correct as previously posted by me. Thanks for your understanding while we listened to some concerns from our membership. Good luck to all in the upcoming postseason and we hope to see the entire CUNYAC family at CCNY.
Here's how the teams in the CUNYAC rate according to a stat system used by Titan Q in the CCIW room:
Home win = 0 points
Home loss = - 1
Road win = + 1
Road loss = 0
Baruch: 3 (0 home losses / 3 road wins)
Brooklyn: 2 (3 home losses / 5 road wins)
CSI: 2 (1 home loss / 3 road wins)
York: 2 (1 home loss / 3 road wins)
Hunter: 1 (1 home loss / 2 road wins)
John Jay: 1 (2 home losses / 3 road wins)
NYC Tech: 0 (2 home losses / 2 road wins)
CCNY: -4 (5 home losses / 1 road win)
Medgar: -5 (5 home losses / 0 road wins)
Rhodes...
What is this? And what games are they using to calulate?
Quote from: NYBB on February 12, 2008, 03:26:47 PM
I still don't see how Hunter loses so often...oh well. we'll see what happens in the playoff
Yeah, I am a little suprised that they have struggled as well. Someone pointed out in an earlier post, no matter how good a player is, its tough to come in and completely mesh mid-way through the season, and as Rhodes pointed out they seem to be struggling with depth a little bit and the palyer turnover can be distracting.
The other thing that stands out is the defense. They are near the bottom of the conference in points allowed (nearly 80 per game), fgp against, 3 point fgp against, and i think it was something like a negative 5 or 6 rebounding margin per game. That makes it tough on the offense as there is always pressure to outscore the opponent. Come playoff time it seems like the teams with consistently strong defenses like York are in a better position to win 3 games in a row. They have a bigger margin for error and can afford a bad shooting night when the offense isn't clicking.
All that said, if Hunter gets hot and stays hot they will be a really tough out in the conference tournament. I don't think anybody is really looking forward to facing them.
Tonight's game v. Stevens could be a good indicator of their frame of mind. I hope to catch it..
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 13, 2008, 12:19:19 PM
Rhodes...
What is this? And what games are they using to calulate?
It's a simple formula that you can use to rank teams. You give 1 point for a road win and - 1 point for a home loss (just ignore road losses and home wins). In this instance I applied the formula to only CUNYAC games. The ratings pretty much mirrored the final standings, except Baruch moved to the top and CSI tied Brooklyn and York for second place.
Since a team should win at home you get 0 points for a home win, but -1 for a home loss. And since a team should lose on the road you get 0 points for a road loss, but 1 point for a road win.
In short, the formula rewards a team for winning on the road and penalizes a team for losing at home. Road losses and home wins are basically ignored.
Quote from: wendellladner on February 13, 2008, 04:47:26 PM
Tonight's game v. Stevens could be a good indicator of their frame of mind. I hope to catch it..
It looks like the Hawks are in a bad frame of mind. Certainly no shame in losing to Stevens but Hunter hasn't looked good since beating St. Joe's. Plus, I looked at the Stevens box score and Joe DeLuca didn't play for Hunter. Will he be available for the Baruch game?
York had a good win against Ramapo last night. I was interested in one thing from the box score though, Phipps the Cuny rookie of the year only played 8 minutes the entire game and they were all in the first half. Does anyone know why? Also does anyone have any comments on the ALL-CONFERENCE selections?
Quote from: Coach AG on February 15, 2008, 09:13:47 AM
Also does anyone have any comments on the ALL-CONFERENCE selections?
Let's see -- Top 10 in no order... I didn't see every team play though
I'm probbaly a little biased towards the south division.... But they do hold the Top 3 seeds.
I didn't include tranfers who played 1/2 a season
Jean-Baptise - player of the year
Nesbitt
McFarlane
Hall
Phillips
Salamanaca
Mesjesz
Blackett
Kunkel
Rhoden
DeLuca
Mason
Danny the selections are on Yorks webpage already.
Baptiste was player of year with Podias coy.
1st team was I think= Mesjasz, Hall, Phillips, Salamanca and maybe Rhoden?
2nd team was I think= Wilson, Blackett, Kunkel, Mason, and Deluca who for some reason did not play against Stevens.
Phipps won newcomer of the year.
A few things that intrigue me are the fact that Tech has 2 players on the first team, Wilson made 2nd team with only half a season and Nisbett did not at least win newcomer of the year.
A few points....
I def agree AG but Hall and Phillips do run that whole team, without either one of them.. Tech is probably has a similiar record to Medgar.
If Wilson from York made it wouldn't you think Marlon Smith would get in as well?
Talk about a snub for Brooklyn, Corey McFarlane is 1st in steals, 3rd in assists, 12th in scoring and 23rd in rebounds as a Point guard on the first place team. Nesbitt is 5th in scoring, 3rd in steals.
This is all good but as we know these awards don't mean anything unless you do it in the playoffs.
I agree that McFarlane and Nisbett were two of the best players not named all-conference. Another player not named who I was impressed with when I saw him was Kallai Sharpe of Medgar Evers. He's very quick, can shoot from outside and also has a nice pull-up jumper. He gave Hunter and Baruch a lot of trouble.
Podias clearly deserved Coach of the Year. The Bridges had an excellent regular season going 20-5 and 10-3 in the CUNYAC. That's quite a leap forward from their last four seasons when they went 8-43 in conference play.
It has begin:
The tournament starts off with a bang, #2 Brooklyn and #3 CSI are both gone as John Jay and City Tech advance. York advances with a five point win over Lehman and now all that remains in the Battle of Lexington: Part 3.
Have to love the parody of the CUNYAC!
parody is not the word. 1st team all-star mesjasz goes 0-12 from the field and 3 lower seeds make it to the semi-finals. Hunter vs Baruch was not a game. Marlon Smith dropped 37 points. it was ugly. hunter took it up to 30 and won by 24.
Ahahaha Jamal Hall had a quadruple double! Assists, Points, REbounds & TO's in their win against BK!!!
Let me also add that the BEST PG in D3 (Not Andrew Olson) scored 37 points today against Baruch, along with Gerard's 18, Dodd's 20 & Millien's 11. Joe DeLuca didn't even play and with the upsets today (aside from York), I think Hunter is going to take this down easy.
CUNYAC Quarterfinal Results
#1 York 59, #8 Lehman 54
#7 NYC Tech 88, #2 Brooklyn 78
#6 John Jay 63, #3 CSI 59
#5 Hunter 90, #4 Baruch 67
As xalva66 noted there were three wins today by the lower seeds. York was the only higher seed that won. I saw two games: City Tech at Brooklyn and Hunter at Baruch.
Let's start with NYC Tech at Brooklyn. The Yellow Jackets led all the way and deserved to win. Jamal Hall played very well as did Ryan Phillip. Omar Mahoney showed why City Tech is not just a two-man team by repeatedly burning Brooklyn with threes and occasionally hitting a pull-up jumper. The big gun, however, was Hall, who waltzed around a variety of Brooklyn defenders the entire game. City Tech threatened to blow it open on a number of occasions but the Bridges managed to keep it respectable. It looked like Brooklyn was a bit tight today and City Tech, despite numerous turnovers down the stretch, played with a lot of confidence.
I must admit I thought Baruch was going to beat Hunter, especially when I found out that DeLuca wasn't going to play. But Marlon Smith wasn't going to let Hunter lose. He simply dominated the game and was head and shoulders above any other player on the court. He literally toyed with Baruch today, and that was the first time I saw him do that since he started playing at Hunter. In addition to Smith, Ciarleglio and Dodd also had good games. If Hunter plays like they did today, they will definitedly win the conference tournament.
CSI's best player, 6-foot-8 junior center Sean Weismuller, had quit the team abruptly in December and transferred to rival Brooklyn College, where he became immediately eligible and played the second semester.
"You could probably safely say he ruined two teams," speculated CSI head coach Tony Petosa of the conference's preseason Player of the Year, "in one single season."
These comments made by Tony Petosa just accentuate the fact that he is a huge coward. Last year, when Sean was dominating the CUNY for the Dolphins and led them to within 3 seconds of a CUNY title, Sean was Petosa's golden boy, Petosa would have taken a bullet for the young man.
But now, because Sean left CSI for whatever reason, he turned from hero to hated. Petosa instead had a scapegoat for his season, something to deflect attention from the fact that maybe he just doesn't have it anymore as a coach. He now could say, well Sean's untimely loss broke my team apart and there was no putting it back together. Which ironically, nobody on the CSI side of things was saying when they went on an 8 game CUNY win streak, when everyone was saying that Sean's departure made them a better team. It's funny how quickly people lose their dignity, as soon as something goes wrong, they instantly give an excuse. No Tony Petosa, be a man. Sean Weismuller did not ruin two teams in a single season. He ruined neither. Maybe Tony Petosa ruined the CSI Dolphins, by not only driving Sean away, but by just not being able to hack it anymore as a coach. Maybe you should hang up the old clipboard there coach.
where did that comment by petosa come from?
for the entire article, including petosa's pathetic comments see here:
http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/index.ssf?/base/Sports/120324690067500.xml&coll=1
NYBB,
Slow down with saying that Hunter is going to win it easily. The have to play York in the second round which I am sure is going to be a fantastic game. There is no bigger Hunter booster on this message board than me. Dont look past any of the teams who advanced. There are reasons why John Jay and City Tech had upsets in the first round. Regardless what the outcomes from Saturday's games are. The conference still has no clear cut favorite regardless how well Hunter played on Saturday. York squeeked out the win against Lehman and two lower seeds win in upsets. Yes I agree with Rhodes, if Hunter plays the way they did Saturday on Tuesday expect them to be in the finals on Friday but thats a big if, they need to have solid defensive games and that is all that is going to matter.
Since I'm away this weekend, I'm following the games through the internet. I heard the BC/Tech game was ugly. It sounds like a lack of defense is something which haunted this team all season and caught up to them again.
On Petosa's comments....
Hmmm... All I could say is comments like that proves that my brother made the right decision. Mistreatment from the coaching staff before and after he left made his decision an easy one. "Runied two teams" is a strong comment to make. Petosa's star player goes 0-12 from the field and he wants to talk about my brother is the reason they lost.
Writer for the staten Island advance Jim Waggoner is another one who loved to mention my brother with negative connotations whenever he got the chance. CSI was just knocked out of the playoffs and the first thing mentioned is my brother's departure???
I don't know who Bubbachuck is but he is correct in stating that during their winning streak... all their comments was "they are playing so good as a team now and they are so together"...blah blah blah....
Anyway.. I could go on and on about all this stuff....but fact is..my brother is much happier where he is.. athletically and academically...and brooklyn has a bright future with only one graduating senior.
Anyone who knows anything about Coach Tony Petosa would know that not only is he one of the long time class acts of the CUNY conference, who does things the right way, but that he would not make disparaging remarks in the press regarding one of his players, past, present, or future. Those comments, whether taken out of context, misquoted, or perhaps said in a moment of frustration or disappointment following a tough loss, should not be given any more credence than they deserve. Whether it be Dennis Echols, Sean Weismuller, or any other player who can't commit to playing, practicing, and acting the way Coach Petosa demands, he has never stood in anyone's way of transferring and getting to a situation that is better for them, in fact he helps them as he always has. There is no one on this board or anywhere else that will be able to deny that fact with any shred of truth behind it. Bottom line is that CSI and Brooklyn both lost and it has very little, if anything, to do with one player who left one team and ended up on another. Good luck to the rest of the squads; York-Hunter on Tuesday should be a battle of epic proportions - and if you didn't hear the words for yourself, keep your comments positive and good luck to everyone the rest of the way.
I didn't see the game but it sounds like the main weakness the Bridges showed all year came up to bite them against City Tech. The Bridges have been soft interior defenders and extremely soft defensive rebounders all year. From what I heard on the radio, the Bridges got killed on the glass.
Jump shots can run hot and cold, but with the Bridges unable to get those boards, they must've been tight trying to catch up to the Yellow Jackets.
With all the athleticism Jean-Baptiste and Weismuller show, they still need to get tougher. It's just like in the NBA, no matter how athletic a frontcourt is, if it isn't tough, it will struggle in the postseason.
What an intriguing second round though!
Hunter vs York is one hell of a matchup, and John Jay vs City Tech will have a cinderella trip to the Finals.
cunybbhoops: I have much respect for the program at CSI.. I hope Petosa didn't make those comments verbatum as the paper said "speculating"
Those comments are fine to make but don't use a loss of a player as a scapegoat for losing.
And Gator.. you are right about defense. I said it about a month ago that the bridges can score with anyone but defending is a different story.
City tech or John Jay will be in the finals which is pretty crazy.
Just my opinion, I believe Petosa should have won the Coach Of The Year. He lost the Preseason Player Of The Year in the middle of the season and CSI won 8 straight games.
If you really look at the talent level and depth at CSI this year you could possibly say Petosa did one of his best jobs ever. Your right he should retire from CSI, a person that works as hard as him for a part time coach should be at the D1 level.
I said all year John Jay was a threat the thing that impressed me the most about them Saturday was their man to man half court defense, absolutely tenacious. They also control tempo very well and the combo of Kased and Jaegar might be the toughest frontcourt in the league.
Hopefully CSI can squeck out an ECAC bid I doubt it though, I just feel sorry for Mesjasz the way he went out last year with the devastating loss at the buzzer and how yesterday just was'nt his day. Yesterday should not be any reflection on how he played all year.
Why do you hide behind your screen name Bubba Chuck
Hunter is golden right now. They beat York by 11 earlier this year and i gurantee you they are going to be pumped.
BTW...after watching NYU beat U of Rochester i can honestly say that i think Hunter could take either one of these teams and the fact that Rochester is ranked so highly is a joke. They have two VERY talented big guys but let me just say this : their guards are just like any others in D3 and as a guy who played against Rob Dominiak in HS, one shooter complimented with several other guys who play exactly like you isn't going to win your team a championship.
Are you talking about the Hunter team of 1998 or this year's team? Hunter lost to NYU by nine points at Hunter earlier this year. Hunter played great on Saturday against Baruch, but they're not close to being one of the top teams in the country. There's no way they'd be able to compete day in and day out in any of the power conferences. Just take a look at their out-of-conference record.
that was earlier, not now. I gurantee they have a new fire and if they beat York, they're going to win their first round game in the NCAA tourni. You heard it here first, folks.
As for the 1998 Hunter squad, they were coached by legend Mike Brown and that team will never be duplicated. Mike and i were good friends once, when i was at Fordham Prep and he was the Asst. at Fordham. Does anyone know where Brown is coaching now?
Hunter better take it one game at a time. And I'm sure that's what the coaching staff is doing right now.
I haven't heard anything about Mike Brown since he left John Jay about four years ago.
i haven't heard anything from him either. if anyone knows anything, i'd appreciate it.
Coach AG-
Because I choose to remain anonymous. My unknown identity has nothing to do with the indecency of Tony Petosa.
Quote from: xalva66 on February 16, 2008, 07:56:29 PM
parody is not the word.
The word is actually parity. :)
Quote from: Coach AG on February 17, 2008, 09:19:57 PM
Hopefully CSI can squeck out an ECAC bid I doubt it though, I just feel sorry for Mesjasz the way he went out last year with the devastating loss at the buzzer and how yesterday just was'nt his day. Yesterday should not be any reflection on how he played all year.
I hear ya Aaron.. Mesjasz plays old school ball.Tough to go out like that.....He gives hard fouls, has a tough attitude.. I like that kind of toughness as I feel the CUNY game lacks that... CSI played well down the stretch... As far as Petosa's quotes... I dont think he meant what the paper said... how can you quote speculation? doesn't make sense....
I doubt CSI gets an ECAC bid (They screwed my 1999-2000 Brooklyn college team as we beat like 6 skyline teams)....... maybe BC gets a bid this year???
As far as the finals go...I want whatever CUNY team can represent in the National Tourney to win the CUNYAC... It's about time a CUNY team takes down some of the reginaol opponents....
and i think Hunter has the team to do it. They're coming into their own right now and with that overall performance destroying Baruch, they should be able to !
What is the story with Deluca? Is he done and if so why?
either injury or grades...according to Hunter's website,, "we've had a lot of roster changes and injuries" - that's not the exact quote but it says that to the point
for only entertainment purposes, Unofficial lines for the CUNY semifinals made by........me:
#1 York (-1.5) vs. #5 Hunter
#7 city tech Vs. #6 john jay (-5)
what you guys think?
Quote from: xalva66 on February 17, 2008, 08:06:22 PM
Just my opinion, I believe Petosa should have won the Coach Of The Year. He lost the Preseason Player Of The Year in the middle of the season and CSI won 8 straight games.
Xalva... What do you think about the comments about my bro in the paper? Unprofessional or justified?
I'm sure Petosa did a good job but it's not like he turned water into wine. Let me also remind the CSI supporters that they had 2 all-conference players on their team and a great midseason transfer in Amenerios.
For the record... not once has my brother bad mouthed CSI's program, players or coaches in any of the interviews or articles since he transferred.
Even after getting indirectly ripped in every article since he left.
Funny that some of CSI's players were telling my brother they were embarrassed by this whole thing and their coaches comments.
It's fine for us message board posters to comment on this stuff but I think they (CSI) need just leave it alone already before their obsession becomes a detriment to their own team and remaining players.
Quote from: CityD3 on February 18, 2008, 08:43:40 PM
for only entertainment purposes, Unofficial lines for the CUNY semifinals made by........me:
#1 York (-1.5) vs. #5 Hunter
#7 city tech Vs. #6 john jay (-5)
what you guys think?
Interesting... With those lines I'll take Hunter and City Tech.
Hunter beat York pretty convincingly if I recall just a month ago... Why would you chose York as the fav???
all i know is that my girlfriend has said that CSI has the ugliest men's basketball team in the entire nation (possibly the world). That's not good. -1 on handsome points (and prob. my karma) for that one!
The comments, if true, are completely unprofessional. There is no doubt about. My opinion regarding the Coach Of The Year award had nothing to do with the circus that has occurred after the Brooklyn and CSI playoff losses. I mean that is not even a question. I am sure that everyone who heard about the comments feels the same way. I could only imagine that Petosa was under great emotional stress after the game and just made those comments out of frustration and anger.
Quote from: NYBB on February 19, 2008, 01:17:16 AM
all i know is that my girlfriend has said that CSI has the ugliest men's basketball team in the entire nation (possibly the world). That's not good. -1 on handsome points (and prob. my karma) for that one!
You should be embarrassed to post statements like that.
Yes, that is unnecessary. How does the tournament process work for the ECAC tournament?
Quote from: xalva66 on February 19, 2008, 09:41:23 AM
Yes, that is unnecessary. How does the tournament process work for the ECAC tournament?
check this out..
http://www.ecac.org/championships/team/policies/selection_criteria
Both games should be very good tonight. I think the York/Hunter has no clear favorite. It is very difficult to beat a team like York twice in one season. I like City Tech in game 2.
Hunter v. York - if Hunter is clicking offensively and can create a pace to have the game in the 80 point range it will be very hard for York to prevail. If York can play at their pace - in the mid 60s - Hunter will have a hard time. This is one of those classic battles to see which team can impose their style on the other. Hate to break out the cliches but this one will go to the tougher team, physically and mentally. I can't call this one. Either Hunter wins a fairly high scoring affair smething like 82 - 68 or York wins a closer low scoring game (72-67).
City Tech v. John Jay - I saw City Tech dismantle a pretty good Brooklyn college team on saturday. Hall completely controlled the game and everyone else played very well. I don't think you can expect #4 to go off for 30 something again but they definitely showed me something. They appeared poised, well coached and won most of the "hustle plays". John Jay plays much better defense than Brooklyn and I don't think Hall will get into the lane as much as he did on saturday which will limit the open 3s and layups for the big guys. I think John Jay pulls this one off.
i'm going to the hunter/york game with my friend pat phillips (who would be starting for hunter had he not decided to quit school) tonight. anyone else going?
Changes my whole perspective on Smith transferring to Hunter... :
Former Penn State basketball player Marlon Smith has landed at Fordham, according to the sports information department at the school.
"I got call yesterday, and they said to add him to the roster," SID Joe DiBari said.
Smith, a guard who played a year and a half for the Nittany Lions before sustaining a stroke in practice last January that caused him to miss the rest of the 2004-05 season, must sit out the coming season with the Rams and will have two years of eligibility remaining starting in 2006-07.
Ed DeChellis' first recruit as head coach of the program, Smith finished second on the team in scoring as a rookie in 2003-04, averaging 13.4 ppg. He earned a spot on the Big Ten's All-Freshman team that year.
He averaged 11.8 ppg through 13 outings last year before the stroke hit. Doctors believed the stroke was caused by a small hole in his heart that led to a blood clot, which, in turn, traveled to the brain. Shortly after the season, Smith had a procedure to close the hole.
He enrolled for Penn State's first summer semester, and was playing pickup ball on campus and taking classes before abruptly announcing he was leaving the program. Smith could not be reached for comment on the decision, and the coaching staff, citing federal privacy laws, would not address the medical situation and whether that had anything to do with the transfer.
Fordham plays in the Atlantic 10 and is coached by Dereck Whittenburg. The Rams went 13-16 overall and 8-8 in the league last season. Fordham is located in Bronx, N.Y., Smith's hometown.
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Well to all of you that thought that hunter was gonna pull off the win, I got some bad news, THEY LOST BY 12. Marlon smith had 40 points but no one else had a good game. On the other hand york had a really good game with balanced scoring. Chis Roberts had a good game with 24 points. York won when it mattered the most, the playoffs. York is the type of team that rarely loses to an opponent twice in one season hence the win against bc and now hunter. For those of you that thought that hunter was going to win the championship just because of marlon smith just to let you know he can't do it by himself.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 18, 2008, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: CityD3 on February 18, 2008, 08:43:40 PM
for only entertainment purposes, Unofficial lines for the CUNY semifinals made by........me:
#1 York (-1.5) vs. #5 Hunter
#7 city tech Vs. #6 john jay (-5)
what you guys think?
Interesting... With those lines I'll take Hunter and City Tech.
Hunter beat York pretty convincingly if I recall just a month ago... Why would you chose York as the fav???
looks like u would have split on the two games (according to live stats john jay wins by 3)...i put york as the favorite because of their seeding. It was just a gut feeling. john jay in the finals who would have thunk it? opening line for the championship....
York (-9) vs. John Jay
PS i admit it i was one of those who thought marlon smith who make that much of a difference. He did all he could but i guess it wasnt enough. I am pretty surprised was it closer than a 12 point game or did york control it throughout?
PS i admit it i was one of those who thought marlon smith who make that much of a difference. He did all he could but i guess it wasnt enough. I am pretty surprised was it closer than a 12 point game or did york control it throughout?
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It came as close as 5 in the 2nd half but York really controlled for most of the game.
York 89, Hunter 77
York
Chris Roberts 24 pts, 12 reb
Omari Phipps 19 pts
Marcel Esonwune 15 pts, 10 reb
Aaron Wilson 15 pts
Hunter
Marlon Smith 40 pts
Frantz Millien 10 pts, 10 reb
Hunter broke out to an 11-4 lead, but York mounted a comeback and outplayed them from that point onward. The Cardinals outrebounded Hunter, 42-32, and scored 50 points in the paint. Roberts, Esonwune and Omari Phipps dominated inside against the Hawks, who were playing once again without Joe DeLuca. Millien was Hunter's only inside presence on offense and defense and he couldn't do it alone. Hunter got a very good performance by Smith and a pretty good one by Millien but that was it. York had more balance and had their way with Hunter down low throughout the entire contest.
John Jay 73, NYC Tech 70
John Jay
Miguel Garcia 18 pts
Chris Jaeger 18 pts, 9 reb
Vaughn Mason 15 pts
NYC Tech
Jamaal Hall 31 pts
Ryan Phillip 20 pts
It was a very exciting game between two evenly matched teams that went down to the wire. City Tech had possession with five seconds remaining but failed to get off a shot. The Yellow Jackets led 32-27 at the half and led most of the way until John Jay took the lead down the stretch. It was a very physical, hard-fought battle that featured several outstanding performances. Once again, Hall and Phillip had very good games, but had little help from their teammates. The Bloodhounds got a solid performance from Jaeger, who scored many of his points in traffic and also grabbed a lot of key rebounds. In addition, Godfrey Mascal dished out a game high seven assists, many of which were superb. A vital ingredient in John Jay's victory was the 43 points they received from the bench, while City Tech's reserves contributed a mere seven.
Phipps is a beast for York. I'm upset that Hunter didn't win but without a full strength squad, it's tough for them to compete. I think if they had all 5 (Dodd, DeLuca, Ciarleglio, Smith, Millien) they would've been tough to beat. Oh well. Smith and Gerard are done so that will never happen again
Phipps IS a beast. A 25 year old FRESHMAN beast, imagine how much of a beast he's going to be when he's a 29 year old SENIOR?
Those beasts these days, you just can't get enough of them.
Bubbachuck,
Nice name. I wonder how many people really know where it came from?
Go Bethel Bruins! ;D
Phipps is 25? LOL! That's great. Well Kassad on John Jay works for the NYC subway on the night shift and the other quality player on their team was in Iraq so they're both "adults" by worldy terms. Gerard on Hunter is at least 26 but he's graduating...
Let's also remember how old Dana John from NJCU and Anthony Williams from SUNY-Plattsburgh are. They both have children as well.
But once again, i think this is one of the wonderful things about D3.
Looks like the 3 point shot was a major factor in both games.
Hunter put up 28 three's while City Tech went 2-12 from behind the arc.
As they say... It's the fool's gold of basketball.
Any predictions on the finals??
I think John Jay is going to need to shoot extremely well to stay in this game. York seems to be the strongest team in CUNY in the paint and doesn't give up much in the half court game. My early call is York by 14.
York will crush John Jay and then get annihilated in the NCAA tournament. What a waste.
Quote from: NYBB on February 20, 2008, 02:50:50 PM
York will crush John Jay and then get annihilated in the NCAA tournament. What a waste.
I am just curious to know why you think it's a waste for york to go to the ncaa.
I know that you are a hunter fan and thought that hunter was going to win the CUNYAC and go to the ncaa and advance past the first round but the fact of the matter is that they lost to york. If they couldn't beat york when it mattered in the semis with a highly praised d1 transfer, than what really makes you think they would've done better than york is gonna do.
All 5 of yorks starting players were in double figures, including a double double from 2 of them. Now be real with yourselves people and give credit where credit is due and admit that of york has a game like they did last night they have really good chance of making it past the first round.
By the way Phipps is a 23 year old freshmen not 25.
I'm not so much of a Hunter fan as i someone who lives around the corner from the school and likes Coach Plevritis (i guess this makes me a fan). Anyways, i think Marlon Smith could perform extremely well in the NCAA tournament and it's a shame that Hunter didn't have Lance Evans or Joe DeLuca because i think with a full strength squad, they could have done something whereas I do not think York can.
I'm sorry BBallGirl. Didn't know that he was only 23 (If that is true, which I doubt). I guess it is cool to be starting your collegiate careers at the age most end their own. It's cool that Phipps is only 5 years older than the legit freshman in the CUNY conference.
Also it is intriguing that Salamanaca is over 25 as well.
Guess Coach St. John likes to take these old dudes onto his team to give them a sense of maturity and veteran leadership. That must be it.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on February 21, 2008, 01:57:00 AM
I'm sorry BBallGirl. Didn't know that he was only 23 (If that is true, which I doubt). I guess it is cool to be starting your collegiate careers at the age most end their own. It's cool that Phipps is only 5 years older than the legit freshman in the CUNY conference.
Also it is intriguing that Salamanaca is over 25 as well.
Guess Coach St. John likes to take these old dudes onto his team to give them a sense of maturity and veteran leadership. That must be it.
No wonder your karma is a -3. You are full of it. I don't know where you come from, but when I'm from, most kids don't get the opportunity to go to college right out of high school that's if they get to even go at all. Life happens (which is something that you probably don't have) and things don't always work out as planned. So phipps may be 23(which he really is) and salamanca over 25, but they are 2 of the best players in cuny.
By the way don't you think that's its a little strange that the older dudes (as you say) are the ones that are going to be playing for a championship, that just means that the younger guys just can't keep up. St. John is one hell of a coach, and if I was him I'd pick the old guys any day, why wouldn't you, they've given him 2 straight championships and maybe even a 3rd.
no poop that someone would take older dudes over younger dudes for their team! This happens more in CUNY/SUNYAC/NJAC then in private school leagues b/c of what you said, "life happens".
there's a distinct advantage to taking older guys onto your team, for size, strength and skill purposes BUT...
you dont see these teams with older guys winning do you? Baruch had an older team a few years ago with Lou Karis, Robi Davidson, etc. and they got messed up by Villa Julie. York loses every year. Case and point
Quote from: NYBB on February 20, 2008, 02:50:50 PM
York will crush John Jay and then get annihilated in the NCAA tournament. What a waste.
First, York has to beat John Jay to get the tournament bid. Second, I'd hold off on making a prediction until I see who their opponent is going to be. Most importantly, York better not be looking ahead because one loss and it's over.
I think all these upsets will keep York somewhat humble going into this championship game.
And a waste going into the Tourney is a ridiculous comment especially when some of the CUNY teams have hung in there and also knocked off some tough out of conference teams this year.
Quote from: bballgirl86 on February 21, 2008, 04:14:51 AM
By the way don't you think that's its a little strange that the older dudes (as you say) are the ones that are going to be playing for a championship, that just means that the younger guys just can't keep up.
I'm not making excuses and I'm not going to bash older guys playing in the league as it is legal and some people don't have an opportunity to join school for whatever reason (military, personal, economic). But you can't discount the fact there is an advantage when you are talking about players in their mid-20's competing against players in the 18-20 year old range. If you know anything about physiology or even psychology... you know athletes hit their primes in the mid to late 20's. There is a clear difference in the development of someones physical, emotional and mental make-up when comparing these athletes.
That being said... I don't think any coach would deny an eligible student-athlete from joining their program just because they are "old".
Everyone keeps talking about the 2 oldest people on the team. What about the players like wilson who is I believe is a 21 year old junior, or marcel who is 19 and very dominant in the post. But you know what the point is york is going for a 3peat. All the other teams that yoi guys thought were gonna make it (bc, hunter) didn't. The difference with this years york team and the past 2 years is that york has more depth this year than in the past. So if they play to their full potential, they have a good chance of making it past the first round of the playoffs.
Some of the negativity is getting absurd here. What are you trying to say NYBB and BubbaChuck, that young men that are older than the typical college student don't deserve to get an college education??? Is it not a credit to Division III, CUNY and other conferences that these kids / young men CAN go to college for 4 years, play sports and earn a degree so that they can all be better off in their future?
Let's not confuse bitterness over losing a game (that's all it is) with giving younjg men and women a chance at earning a college education. And if coach St. John and others like him help young men get a degree (in Division III they can be any age and do so), why would anyone have a problem with that?
Last time I checked we were in NYC where it's not exactly inexpensive to live, so clearly our students (to the tune of 65%) work and pay for their education and living expenses. They are not getting things for free - so give them CREDIT instead of your negativity. Good luck to York and John Jay tomorrow night!
Quote from: NYBB on February 21, 2008, 01:44:02 AM
it's a shame that Hunter didn't have Lance Evans or Joe DeLuca because i think with a full strength squad, they could have done something whereas I do not think York can.
Why didn't Hunter have DeLuca or Evans? What happened?
Quote from: Zak Ivkovic on February 21, 2008, 12:55:05 PM
Some of the negativity is getting absurd here. What are you trying to say NYBB and BubbaChuck, that young men that are older than the typical college student don't deserve to get an college education???
Zak -- you may be jumping to a conclusion here. I doubt anyone really wants to deny them an education here. Basketball doesn't pay the way for education in Division III, after all. :)
I would like to know what happened to DeLuca & Evans as well and i'm def. not the one saying that older players is a bad thing.
The only thing that i'm stating is that older players should have a distinct and strong advantage over younger players and it doesn't make any sense to me that local teams in the CUNY/NJAC/SKYLINE don't perform better with guys in their 20's in out of league/NCAA tournament play considering their teams are playing against private institutions where 95 % of their team(s) are made up of 18-22 year olds .
Quote from: NYBB on February 21, 2008, 04:49:40 PM
I would like to know what happened to DeLuca & Evans as well and i'm def. not the one saying that older players is a bad thing.
The only thing that i'm stating is that older players should have a distinct and strong advantage over younger players and it doesn't make any sense to me that local teams in the CUNY/NJAC/SKYLINE don't perform better with guys in their 20's in out of league/NCAA tournament play considering their teams are playing against private institutions where 95 % of their team(s) are made up of 18-22 year olds .
If you look the NJAC does perform fairly well in the NCAA's and in OOC games. This year is a down year but most years they NJAC represents itself fairly well.
Also with the older guys, they may be stronger physically but that does not always translate, they may not be in the best shape, they may be working full time like Dana John and Abe Williams before him at NJCU, carrying a full course load and commuting to school and practice. Most of the students at private schools do not have these distractions.
Also, these older players may not have played organized ball in several years or in the case of DJ never until they get to college.
Deluca has a staff infection in his knee...I think if they had him in the game against York it would have been much closer.
In regards to the older guys, i have no problem with it as long as they are there for the right reasons. I think in many cases (york) the older students are there only to play basketball and getting a degree is secondary if not at all. No one can really complain about it though, because if you go through every roster in the CUNYAC every team has players older then 22 or 23 on it. Just a matter of getting the ones who can play.
* Fun fact of the day: During his senior year, Mike Salamanca of York won a High School PSAL City Championship for Cardozo .. In 1999.
Just to clear things up, a true college freshman this year would not have graduated 8th grade until 2003.
Regardless of what happened at the end of the season this year, Hunter is heading in the right direction. Each year under Coach Plevritis has been an improvement. He is young and energetic.
If Mike Dodd, Joe Deluca and Franz Millen return they will have a nice core of players for next year. It will be literally impossible to replace someone of Smith's ability but you cannot give up 90+ points to a team that averages 70 per game. No one mentioned how much Chris Roberts killed Hunter that night.
Hunter has far too many one-year players. They need more players to stick around and provide some continuity.
Na Na Na Na
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GoodByeeeeee! (No 3 peat)
John Jay up 8 with 33 seconds remaining. York's big man throws a punch at a John Jay player causing a bench clearing altercation. Real Classy.
Congrats to the Bloodhounds on their amazing championship victory!
John Jay wins, I said it 3 months ago watch out for the Bloodhounds. 68-54, JJ controlled the`game`from the`get go. Very deep, well coached and solid defensive team. Kudos to Coach Jackson he is a talented coach. I wish them well in the NCAA's.
On a side note the game ended very ugly! It really showed York has no class!!!
Marcel Esowonue threw a punch at Garcia, that was followed by Wilson also throwing a punch. To make it even worse Bennett came off the york bench to shove someone and Coach St.John tried to stop him but was greated by a swinging elbow{no control}. In the end all 3 players were kicked out of the game. In a post game interview St. John gave John Jay no credit and said they lost the game because the played bad.
YORK PROGRAM= NO CLASS
York proved why no one cheers for them and everyone always wants them to lose. They showed no class and no respect for the game. Did any one see Num 33 throw a punch at the coach, or at least it looked like a punch. John Jay played great and outplayed York. They deserved to win.
I'd like to hear what bballgirl86 has to say about the game and the way York conducted itself...she was very confident after tuesday win. She'll probably be a sore loser like the whole York team and coaching staff.
I am definitely not a sore loser and I give credit where credit is due.
John Jay came out with avengence tonight and played their hearts out. JJ didn't even allow York to get any type of rhythm going in the 2nd half. If York had the balanced scoring and played like they did against Hunter, it would've been a very difficult game for JJ to win. Kased of JJ proved his leadership tonight and went out there and created plays for his team. Plain and simple, JJ wanted this championship more than York, and the way they played tonight they really deserved to win. All of JJ players came out and played with heart and that's exactly why they got the win. I give much credit to the coach and the players of JJ, they played a great game tonight.
On a sad note, I truly believe that York went out with no class. Losing a game is no reason what so ever to create a brawl like they did. Not only did they embarrass themselves, the school and the athletic program, but they also embarrassed CUNYAC. Their is no excuse for the type of behavior that was displayed out there tonight.
York should be severely disciplined for the brawl at the end of the game. That's absolutely ridiculous: you didn't see Garnett throwing punches at Stoudemire tonight after the C's lost did you?
Salamanca (or however you spell his last name) by my calculations (1999 HS graduate) should be 27 years old right now. Adults like him and his teammates should be able to control themselves and not get into silly fights. I don't care who started it, it was the team that committed the crime and that's just disgusting. John Jay has its fair share of older players, including an ex-military guy, and you didn't see him busting skulls. I gurantee that if that marine dude wanted to fight, he would literally KILL someone on York's team. The crowd would've got their $'s worth had that happened but once again, NO PLACE IN BASKETBALL FOR THAT KIND OF BS.
Zak are there going to be any actions placed on Yorks team after the "absurd negative" way they ended the game? They seemed to be quite bitter after the game and showed a lack of sportsmanship. But they will probably get another pass because Coach St. John is so great for the CUNY because he gets quality people in his program :) and helps older men get another chance at earning degrees. ::)
What can the CUNY do about it? Seasons over and 3/4s of Yorks team will never be seen again. I still cant get over the fact that a player on York took a swing at his own coach! I never seen anything like it, couldnt believe i was watching a college game.
But it was a real exciting game, some sick dunks, and godfrey making Phipps fall was as good as it gets...
haha phipps fell? that's fantastic. I love the hate against York on this board...phenomenal because they deserve it.
All I have to say is wow. John Jay pulls the upset of the season. I only saw about 5 minutes of the second half but from what I saw... It just looked like John Jay had a lot more composure than York. After hearing about this fight I guess that's a pretty good assumption.
Penalty wise... I think if you throw a punch, N.C.A.A. rules call for an automatic one-game suspension if a player is called for a flagrant personal foul for fighting. And that's not including penalties handed down internally from the school or conference. Now if York gets an ECAC bid... I'm assuming a few of their players will be in street clothes for the game.
IF the full team is to blame I think they should have to forfeit their right to play in the ECAC but if it's only or two guys I don't know if you want to penalize the whole team.
Wow. Congratulations to John Jay on their championship run. Unfortunately now that instead of people talking about their great run on this message board, we are all discussing the acts of York at the end of the game.
Classless is not the word.
Quote from: Coach AG on February 22, 2008, 10:36:24 PM
John Jay wins, I said it 3 months ago watch out for the Bloodhounds. 68-54, JJ controlled the`game`from the`get go. Very deep, well coached and solid defensive team. Kudos to Coach Jackson he is a talented coach. I wish them well in the NCAA's.
You were right about John Jay. I also think Jackson is a very good coach who gets the most out of his players.
Quote from: bballgirl86 on February 23, 2008, 12:17:20 AM
I am definitely not a sore loser and I give credit where credit is due.
John Jay came out with avengence tonight and played their hearts out. JJ didn't even allow York to get any type of rhythm going in the 2nd half. If York had the balanced scoring and played like they did against Hunter, it would've been a very difficult game for JJ to win. Kased of JJ proved his leadership tonight and went out there and created plays for his team. Plain and simple, JJ wanted this championship more than York, and the way they played tonight they really deserved to win. All of JJ players came out and played with heart and that's exactly why they got the win. I give much credit to the coach and the players of JJ, they played a great game tonight.
On a sad note, I truly believe that York went out with no class. Losing a game is no reason what so ever to create a brawl like they did. Not only did they embarrass themselves, the school and the athletic program, but they also embarrassed CUNYAC. Their is no excuse for the type of behavior that was displayed out there tonight.
Excellent post: Insightful, mature and objective.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 23, 2008, 10:08:49 AM
It just looked like John Jay had a lot more composure than York.
It sure did. John Jay played with a lot of poise and confidence the whole game. York players were bickering among themselves throughout the second half and the Cardinals wilted down the stretch.
Quote from: Queens on February 23, 2008, 09:36:53 AM
But it was a real exciting game, some sick dunks, and godfrey making Phipps fall was as good as it gets...
It was a very exciting game. Excellent atmosphere with a very large and boisterous crowd. I'd say there were about 2,600 people in attendance. Those sick dunks were all by York's Marcel Esonwune. He's one of the few players ever in the CUNYAC who can dunk the ball in traffic. He's probably the best dunker in conference history. Mascal's ankle-breaking move against Phipps was also a classic. Mascal is one of the most entertaining players to watch in the Atlantic region.
Rhodes,
Do you put him up there above Braheen Cotton?
Marcel Esonwune had some great dunks and he dunks with such ease, but lets not forget about vaughn masons dunk when he came down the lane and threw it down real hard...best dunk of the night in my opinion (best dunk ive seen live in awhile).
But the magic carpet ride for John Jay will come to an end...my prediction is they head up to Plattsburgh and lose by 30...Not to rain on their parade, just a reality check...
Just for the Record...Plattsburgh my pick to win the National Championship, you heard it here first
Quote from: xalva66 on February 23, 2008, 11:53:06 AM
Rhodes,
Do you put him up there above Braheen Cotton?
I think Esonwune is better off the dribble and better in traffic. Cotton was better on alley-oops. In fact, Cotton is the only player in CUNY history who could routinely convert alley-oop dunks. And, of course, Cotton was the better overall player. Although I do believe Esonwune is underrated and will be all-conference if he sticks around.
Quote from: Queens on February 23, 2008, 12:01:12 PM
Marcel Esonwune had some great dunks and he dunks with such ease, but lets not forget about vaughn masons dunk when he came down the lane and threw it down real hard...best dunk of the night in my opinion (best dunk ive seen live in awhile).
I totally forgot about Mason's dunk. You're probably right about that being the best dunk of the game. It was a serious slam off the dribble in traffic.
While the finish to the game wasn't pretty, I would completely disagree with some of the posts here as far as it being a "brawl". Clearly there were two punches thrown and the players were separated by their teammates and the excellent refs, while the two head coaches did a great job of preventing any further damage. The term brawl insinuates large numbers of people in a punching free for all - which definitely was not the case. Yes, the stoppage took a few minutes while the refs got all the techs and ejections in order - which they did quite well - my kudos go to the two coaches.
Also, someone said bench-clearing - which DID NOT HAPPEN. One York player left the bench and coach St. John grabbed him...I was by the scorers table and saw the entire incident. I will have to look at the video to make sure of any other issues.
Lastly say what you will, but both coaches made sure that teams shook hands after the game and stayed the entire time while the other team was receiving their awards and medals. So kindly don't rush to judgement. Congrats to John Jay and Baruch and the atmosphere was great all night long.
No it was not a brawl, but clearly uncalled for by York. I still think the players should be punished for the ECACs.
Marcel is a 6'6'' freshman so you'll be seeing a few more of those dunks i guess.
Any word if the NYC area will host a first round regional game in the NCAA's?
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 24, 2008, 10:18:00 AM
Any word if the NYC area will host a first round regional game in the NCAA's?
That will be determined when the brackets are set.
I wouldn't be surprised if all those players are dressed and play in the first round of the NCAA's. Unless NCAA rules interfere, they will likely play.
That would be a damn shame if John Jay lost players due to the immature acts of the York players...Johny Jay is going to need all there players for there first round game being that they are going to be one of the lowest seeds in the tournament. They dont need to start with a disadvantage.
That York/John Jay game is as close to a brawl as your gonna get in College basketball game. Bottom line is its what people expected from the York players, I wanted to leave with about 2 minutes left being that the game was over, but my friend said to me lets stay till the end i think there might be a fight. And sure enough, York didnt let us down. But that was an excellent point that the Refs and the coaching staffs did a great job keeping it as calm as possible.
Can't wait to see who John Jay has to play in the first round...
On York's athletic website, there is no mention of the classless acts of the players in the championship recap write-up. I understand they don't wanna embarrass themselves, but you can't just sweep it under the rug like it never happened. If I were to bet on it, york will have all players in uniform for the ECAC's which would just embarrass the program even more. The CUNY should also step up and suspend the players for the first conference few games next season.
John Jay coach Charles Jackson is one of our scheduled guests on Hoopsville tonight. Listen in!
http://www.d3hoops.com/
Coach Jackson is a good guy and that was a well done interview. Kudos.
You are right... Coach Jackson seems to be a very nice guy and handle himself well in the interview, especially when we had to chat about the fight.
And thanks!
I just finished listening to the interview with Coach Jackson. Informative and nicely done. Once again, a very good program.
Here are some stats on John Jay:
John Jay (13-15)
Longest winning streak: Four games (current)
Longest losing streak: Seven games
Record vs. NJAC: (2-3) Wins vs. MSU, @ Ramapo. Losses @ Rutgers-Newark, @ WPU, @ NJCU
Record vs. above .500 teams: 5-7
Record vs. above .500 teams (excluding CUNYAC teams): 2-5
Wins over teams w/best records: Brooklyn (20-6), York (20-8), MSU (16-10), Ramapo (16-10)
Losses to teams w/worst records: New Paltz (6-19), Drew (7-18)
JOHN JAY PLAYS moravian... VERY BEATABLE TEAM!!
Good luck John Jay !!!
NJCU will play York on Wednesday in the first round of the ECAC tournament. (http://www.njcugothicknights.com/News/mbasket/2008/3/3/03-03-08_MBASKETBALL_ECAC_TOURNAMENT_ANNOUNCEMENT.asp?path=mbasket)
Selections are out and three CUNY teams have been selected to an ECAC tournament berth (# 2 seed York & # 4 seed Brooklyn both will host home games against New Jersey City University and Rutgers-Newark respectively. Meanwhile, # 8 seed Staten Island will seek an upset bid against # 1 seed Stevens Tech. All games should be exciting to watch.
* On a side note, let us not forget how some ugly actions in the championship game took away from John Jay's impressive victory. If York is not disciplined for their upcoming game, it is an utter disgrace for those who call themselves league administrators. There is no possible way that York should come away from such an ugly and public display with no disciplinary actions taken against them.
What say you Mr. Ivkovic?
Here's some info on John Jay's NCAA opponent, Moravian College:
Region: Mid-Atlantic
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Conference: Landmark
Record: 18-8 (overall), 9-5 (in conference)
Longest winning streak: 9 games
Longest losing streak: 3 games (current)
Moravian finished in a three-way tie for second place in the Landmark. They were the number two seed in the conference tournament and lost at home to the number three seed Scranton, 79-78. They received a Pool B bid to the NCAA tournament.
John Jay and Moravian have one common opponent: Drew University. John Jay lost to Drew, 64-53, at NYU. Moravian swept Drew, winning 66-58 at Drew, and beating them again 73-53 at Moravian.
Looks like John Jay has a shot, they don't look to be too out matched. But the winner has a tough match-up with Amherst to follow.
ECAC looks like a solid tourney. I think the CUNY schools need to be on their toes after being off for over 2 weeks. I don't think any game in the ECAC is a walk-over. Looks like the underdogs all match-up well to their opponent.
>If York is not disciplined for their upcoming game, it is an utter disgrace for those who call themselves league administrators. There is no possible way that York should come away from such an ugly and public display with no disciplinary actions taken against them.
What say you Mr. Ivkovic?<
Let me know if you are applying for my job BubbaChuck? I think I have handled my fair share of disciplinary issues in the past and will continue to do so, BUT it will not be done through public mediums though...sorry. I do appreciate your concern for my work. Thanks. Zak.
PS - I also appreciate the correct spelling of my last name.
In other words, you are saying that York is not going to be disciplined in any proper manner, instead they'll get away with yet another violation. I'd bet a pretty penny that if it had been the other way around, and Garcia threw the first punch that night, Garcia would not be suiting up for their first round tilt in the NCAA's. Interesting how things work, I always thought that if a player threw a punch, it is an automatic 1 game suspension, surely York's players acted in a manner deemed acceptable by you Mr. Ivkovic or else you would not let them play.
Send a clear message to every player in the CUNY that is alright to throw a punch when you are frustrated, because by not SUSPENDING those at fault for the melee at CCNY that night, that is exactly what you are doing, because if York's trio of miscreants can get away with their actions and be able to play the next game, the same set of rules apply to everyone else.
Please if anyone else has an opinion on this, chime in.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on March 04, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
In other words, you are saying that York is not going to be disciplined in any proper manner, instead they'll get away with yet another violation.
I don't think he's saying that at all. I think he's saying whatever he's done, it's not something he's going to tell you about on a message board.
2 things
The York players should be punished.
Also how did Moravian make the tournament losing there last 3 games with a 18-8 record? Would'nt a team like Stevens Tech who was in the top 25 for most of the season be more deserving?
Bad comparison... Moravian was a Pool B bid. Stevens, because they couldn't win their conference, is a Pool C bid. There are four Pool B bids available for any conference without the AQ (like the Landmark) and independents. There are 17 bids for everyone else combined.
So, you are comparing apple and oranges!
Brooklyn College is finishing a state-of-art athletic facility set to open Dec 2008.
And now dorms... a nice recruiting tool.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/03/05/2008-03-05_brooklyn_college_plans_to_open_first_dor.html
Your York answer:
http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=ibmhbqhr235fyi05
First Round - Wednesday, March 5
New York University 83, St. Joseph's College (NY) 79
Brooklyn College 87, Rutgers-Newark 79
York (NY) 70, New Jersey City 67
Stevens Tech. 73, Staten Island 47
Semifinals - Saturday, March 8
#4 Brooklyn at #1 Stevens Tech., 8:00 p.m.
#6 New York University at #2 York, 8:00 p.m.
The Brooklyn College game was pretty exciting. They were down 18 at one point in the first half after a bunch of turnovers. Could be attributed to some rust from not playing. They turned it on in the second half. Some big steals by the back court and Baptiste could not be stopped as he went for 25 in the second half to finish with 37. I thought this game was closer than it should of been. Turnovers and poor foul shooting really hurt Brooklyn throughout the game.
York was missing some players, were they suspended? Looks like Brooklyn and York represented CUNY well by beating two NJAC schools. Granted they weren't the top in their conferences but both were respectable wins.
JOHN JAY WINS!!
THE BLOODHOUNDS WERE PACED BY ALEX VALERIO W/ 16 pts. KASED W. 10pts 10 BOARDS and GODFREY MASCALL AddED 12pts 9 asT
GREAT WIN!!
AMHERST NEXT ON SAT!
John Jay's bench outscored Moravian's subs 52-15. Valerio, Mascall, Garcia, Kased and Brady all came off the bench for the Bloodhounds. In addition, John Jay outscored Moravian 48-29 in the paint.
By bringing key players off the bench, Jackson is able to create mismatches at certain points in the game. It's an interesting concept, and I'm surprised that more coaches don't employ the same tactic.
Great job Bloodhounds !!!Not bad on the men's side thus far with York and Brooklyn winning in ECACs and our #6 seed winning in the NCAAs. Good luck to all this weekend and keep the fun going.
That's a great win for John Jay and CUNY.
I noticed the top 4 scorers for the game came off the bench. And everyone seems to play about 20 minutes. The mismatch concept is interesting.
I was thinking how the other team might take the bench players lightly. Not many teams have 10 players who could make a difference. Could of caught a team off guard who is not familiar with John Jay, ie Moravin.
If you haven't done so, listen to the interview with Coach Jackson on Hoopsville. He doesn't go in to great detail, but he does mention how he brings Mascall off the bench to play against the opposition's starting players who are tiring. Plus, there are other tidbits in there as well.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on March 05, 2008, 04:46:13 PM
Brooklyn College is finishing a state-of-art athletic facility set to open Dec 2008.
And now dorms... a nice recruiting tool.
Danny (I assume you are Sean's brother?), in case you didn't know - Brooklyn College used to be D1, and they never had a problem recruiting players...WITHOUT dorms. And without a fancy gym. The majority of their players were from Texas, and they lived in apartments on Ave. J. They all had work study jobs, as well as regular jobs - pool cleaning, maintenance BS stuff. They were well taken care of.
The reason the program was shut down (1992) was they were taking "recruiting" trips to Africa, which were astronomical in cost. So, teh fact that they are D3 now and need a new gym and dorms in order to recruit players, is a joke.
He didn't say that they need a new gym and dorms to recruit players. He just stated that having a new gym and dorms would help with recruiting. I can't find much to disagree with.
Billy40 - I think you're missing the point. It makes sense that Brooklyn College would have had an easier time recruiting when it could offer scholarships (which included free housing and stipends for food) back in the day when they were division 1. Also ,the condition of the gym back then would not be nearly as big a deal as it is now so many years later, based on the following.
In the passing years since the program was division 1 many of the same schools that Brooklyn would eventually be competing against at the division 3 level built new facilities. It is a major trend in overall recruitment of students (not just athletes) to showcase the outstanding athletic and recreational opportunities afforded by the college. For exammple, in '92 few smaller schools had state of the art facilities for teams let alone rock climbing walls and par 3 golf courses for the general student populations.
So now that Brooklyn cannot offer scholarships, and so many of tis division 3 rivals have state of the art facilities, it has to find a different way to compete. That means highlighting the strong points of both the college overall, and the basketball program specifically. In this context, it helps level the playing field if they at least have a real facility. Add in the possibility of geting a student athlete from outside the immediate area by offerring a dorm room and it actually gives them a chance to get a kid who otherwise never would have looked seriously at Brooklyn. Even assuming that you had accurate information as to why the program was shut down over 15 years ago, that is completely irrelevant to Danny's post.
Dear Billy 40,
I wanted to personally thank you for the history lesson on Brooklyn College athletics. In case you didn't know, I played there for four years and I am well aware of the history of the program. Anyone who has walked around Brooklyn College knows the athletic facilities are extremely outdated. From the weight-rooms with equipment from the 1970's to the locker rooms with half working lockers, this campus needed an updated facility. I was simply stating the addition of dorms and a new gym will be help when you are competing to recruit against other tri-state area schools with nice facilities (CSI, Lehman, Baruch).
Thanks again,
Danny (Yes, Sean's brother)
Good responses. And I agree, the facilities there are AWFUL now...just as they were when they were D1. The thing about them being able to offer scholarships is really a moot point. THE tuition back then was $1500 a year more or less - considering the tuition costs now, and that there are less scholarships available to NCAA programs...that was a shcolarship in of itself. The big draw to teh Texas kids (and oen frm New Mexico who led the nation in FG % in tht final year) - had a LOT more to do with everything other than scholarships. REgardless, it's not the point here.
The Kingsmen were unable to use the new gym/dorms to recruit this year, and they still had a fantastic year (for a CUNY). Look at what the beuatiful facilities have done for Baruch & Lehman (sans dorms) - not much of a difference from before. While it's a nice thought to hope that the new facilities will assist in recruiting, and I hope it does - I just don't think it's going to make too much of a difference.
Knowing how BC is being run, it wouldnt' surprise me if they did not allow athletes to stay in the dorms once they are there. Honest question - does anyoen outside of teh athletic department there know that their team won a game in te ECAC's? Does half the school even know there are athletics programs? Look at what happened over at CCNY, the entire program is on the verge of collapsing. Tehy have very nice facilities (weight room & gym - no dorms though), and last year they had amazing years in track & Baseball.
We all know Atlantic Region schools don't bring in high daily attendance per game. Even the areas D1 schools have low attendance at their games.
But BC did have some decent crowds. Probably one of the higher attendance averages per game in CUNY. Part of the problem is the gym is hidden and most students don't even know it exists.
The new building will be more conducive to student traffic as it will hold all student services (bursar, registrar) and have a new fitness center. Hopefully it will generate some student support of the athletic teams.
FYI - the "Kingsmen" name has been extinct for a while now. About ten years ago the powers that be (not athletic dept) had an ingenious idea to rename the nickname. They are now the Brooklyn College Bridges.
Here's some info on Amherst:
Region: Northeast
Conference: NESCAC
Record: 23-3 (overall), 9-0 (NESCAC)
Amherst is ranked #3 by d3hoops.com and is a huge step up in class over Moravian. Needless to say, the Lord Jeffs are an overwhelming favorite against John Jay. Amherst has a significant edge in size (their only starter under 6'6" is All-American point guard Andrew Olsen) and appears to have few weaknesses.
The only common opponent is Hunter. John Jay split with the Hawks (each team won at home) while Amherst beat Hunter by 24 points at Amherst.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on March 07, 2008, 05:34:45 PMFYI - the "Kingsmen" name has been extinct for a while now. About ten years ago the powers that be (not athletic dept) had an ingenious idea to rename the nickname. They are now the Brooklyn College Bridges.
Oh I know, I just refuse to call them Bridges. Same with Baruch, they will always be the Statesmen to me. IN that case, the Bearcats is definitely a better name, but not in the case of BK.
The problem has always been, and always will be - the powers that be at most CUNY schools could care less about athletics. What is the reasoning for not bringing back Baseball at Brooklyn? TEhy had all teh equipment sitting in the 5th floor gym closet for 10 years, before just giving it away to another CUNY school. They probably still have a pitching mound in there, and the nets for the batting cage. That was another D1 program (no scholarships) which actually produced a 7th round draft pick and 3 pitchers to sign minor league contracts off that last team when teh program was shut down.
Good luck to John Jay. They did CUNY proud picking up a win in the tourney.
Amherst 96, John Jay 74
Amherst led 59-32 at the half and coasted to victory. The Lord Jeffs shot 60% from the floor for the game and utilized their significant height advantage to outrebound the Bloodhounds 45-26 and to block 10 shots. On the other hand, John Jay took advantage of their quickness to come up with 17 steals.
Top three scorers for John Jay: Mascall (21 pts), Garcia (12 pts) and Valerio (10 pts)
Congratulations to John Jay for a memorable season and to Richard Jean Baptiste on being named 2nd team all american by the NABC. Its good to see a shake up in the balance of power in the conference.
Does anyone know who the last CUNY all american was?
Don't know about the NABC but the following CUNYAC players were named All Americans by d3hoops.com:
Greg Hardin Hunter 2000 (Fourth Team)
David Paul CSI 2001 (Third Team)
Shacun Malave NYC Tech 2004 (Fourth Team)
Shacun Malave NYC Tech 2005 (First Team)
Sekani Francis Lehman 2006 (Third Team)
For the complete list, follow the link on the home page.
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What are some thoughts on the upcoming season in CUNY? This board has been dead for a while, lets see if we can't get it back up again. Any rumors? Transfers? Just plain thoughts?
my thought is that next season is gonna exiceting especially b/t york college and brookyln college cant wait to see the games
What do you like about those two, other than the obvious that they're coming off successful seasons?
a lot of their core players are coming back for another successful season
Good to see some chatter.
Upcoming season...
Brooklyn should be strong again with only one graduating senior from last year.
Coach Podias scheduled a very tough non-conference schedule which should help
From what I heard during last semester, Hunter should be stacked. I heard Chris Bernard will be back again with some more transfers. I'm not sure if the Penn St. transfer gained another year of eligibility but I think they were trying for that.
Baruch looks like they are returning almost everyone with a strong front court.
NYC tech will be there also if they return everyone. I don't think they had any seniors.
Not sure about the other schools but you can't forget about John Jay with the core of that team returning.
Not sure about everyone else... I know York and CSI lost some big parts of their squads. Not sure about everyone else. Looking forward to the upcoming season.
Any big time transfers in the Region?
Plevritis at Hunter is going to have a very competitive team again this year and prob. even stronger considering the amount of new talent he's bringing in.
i gont think i kno of any transfers but about the penn state transfer hunter are trying very hard to make eligable for another year
p.s. brooklyn college were amazin last season but honestly they had a weak non conference games. but as u said danny Coach Podias scheduled a very tough non-conference schedule for them this season
Brooklyn's non-conference sked: TCNJ, tournament at Old Westbury, Poly, Purchase, Richard Stockton, Albright's tournament, New Paltz, St. Joe's Bklyn., Yeshiva.
Unless there are some outstanding teams in these tournaments, this doesn't meet the hype of "very tough non-conference schedule."
Richard Stockton is always a solid team. New Paltz usually is as well. Old Westbury is a top team in Skyline.. All of the PA teams from the Albright tournament should be tough.
An interesting thing to consider, as Brooklyn College dramatically increased their talent level in the last year, certain established teams such as an NYU, a Ramapo or a Plattsburgh State may not be so inclined to play Brooklyn College because of the very real fear that they may fall at the hands of a CUNY team, which certainly would not help the aforementioned team's strength of schedule and would be much more of a quality win for Brooklyn.
So it seems that Coach Podias has assembled a quality schedule full of teams that are not afraid to play them.
how about york they beat nyu twice last season and also they beat ramapo
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on July 01, 2008, 04:47:27 AM
Richard Stockton is always a solid team. New Paltz usually is as well. Old Westbury is a top team in Skyline.. All of the PA teams from the Albright tournament should be tough.
An interesting thing to consider, as Brooklyn College dramatically increased their talent level in the last year, certain established teams such as an NYU, a Ramapo or a Plattsburgh State may not be so inclined to play Brooklyn College because of the very real fear that they may fall at the hands of a CUNY team, which certainly would not help the aforementioned team's strength of schedule and would be much more of a quality win for Brooklyn.
So it seems that Coach Podias has assembled a quality schedule full of teams that are not afraid to play them.
All the PA schools in the Albright tournament ... which are who again?
Let's not go overboard and suggest that with 400 schools in Division III that people are afraid to play Brooklyn, or any CUNYAC team right now. That's a little overboard.
Strength of schedule is not dependent on wins or losses anymore.
New Paltz? Let's try some facts:
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/PLTZ/mens/2008
2008 6-19 (2-14)
2007 11-14 (4-12)
2006 5-20 (2-14)
2005 9-16 (3-13)
2004 6-18 (4-12)
2003 11-17 (6-10)
Pat: I agree that Brooklyn's nonconference schedule isn't stellar, but it's stronger than it has been in recent years. Also last year's Brooklyn team was much better than those of recent memory. While it's true that the Bridges are not likely to be a national powerhouse, it is probable that they'll be strong by CUNYAC standards and may be one of the better teams in the Atlantic region.
Does anyone have any info on who's going to return for Hunter next year? Are Kelly, Millien and DeLuca coming back? I wonder if there will be a whole new roster--which has been the pattern the last few years.
Also, any word on Lehman? The Lightning have been down in recent years. I'm wondering if they're going to be strong once again.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on July 01, 2008, 01:46:40 PM
Pat: I agree that Brooklyn's nonconference schedule isn't stellar, but it's stronger than it has been in recent years.
So it should be "very tough non-conference schedule compared to recent years." :)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 01, 2008, 03:48:44 PM
So it should be "very tough non-conference schedule compared to recent years." :)
I'd prefer "tougher," rather than "very tough," but I ain't one to nit pick. :) Dropping Pratt and Berkeley was certainly a good step in upgrading the schedule.
No doubt.
CSI should be a solid middle of the pack CUNY team.
They lose Mesjaz and Blackett, however they do have a solid returning backcourt in Yocum and Amenerios, albeit a small one.
They also have a very impressive recruit coming into the school.
John Romeo is a 6'4 forward out of St. Edmund High School in Brooklyn. John is a tough forward with long arms and an outstanding knack for the ball. He has range out to the 3pt line and will be able to score both inside and out.
He should be all CUNY as a freshman and go on to be the best rebounder in the history of the CUNYAC. I saw him many times during the past 2 years as I am an administrator at one of the schools within St. Edmund's division. Romeo can potentially carry CSI on his back and make them into a contender next season.
Let us see if this promising player lives up to his potential.
The trouble with the CUNY schools is that you never know from one year to the next who is going to be there. There is an awful lot of attrition in the CUNY. There have been years that I thought a CUNY team that was good the previous year with mostly underclassmen would be better the next and then they lose half their players. Unfortunately it is the nature of the CUNY schools that students transfer a lot, drop out or have to drop down to part time status due to other obligations. I would love to see the CUNY get better, it would only help the entire region, but I fear they will continue with business as usual.
any CUNY team during any given year has the chance to be frickin amazing, depending on the transfers they get in. For example, Baruch with Lou Karis, Davidson & Fadicka.
who in cuny has a better chance of winning a championship in cuny
Quote from: Knightstalker on July 01, 2008, 08:25:57 PM
The trouble with the CUNY schools is that you never know from one year to the next who is going to be there. There is an awful lot of attrition in the CUNY. There have been years that I thought a CUNY team that was good the previous year with mostly underclassmen would be better the next and then they lose half their players. Unfortunately it is the nature of the CUNY schools that students transfer a lot, drop out or have to drop down to part time status due to other obligations. I would love to see the CUNY get better, it would only help the entire region, but I fear they will continue with business as usual.
I agree with you about the problems that plague the CUNYAC schools. As far as the Atlantic region goes, it's pretty weak. I think the CUNYAC has gotten a little stronger the past few years, while the NJAC has gotten weaker and the Skyline has really deteriorated.
Quote from: NYBB on July 01, 2008, 11:23:12 PM
any CUNY team during any given year has the chance to be frickin amazing, depending on the transfers they get in. For example, Baruch with Lou Karis, Davidson & Fadicka.
The 2006 Baruch team was the best CUNYAC team since the 1998 Hunter squad. Unfortunately when tournament time came around the Bearcats were horrible. They were blown out at home by a very mediocre Villa Julie team, 86-71.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on July 01, 2008, 05:00:37 PM
CSI should be a solid middle of the pack CUNY team.
They lose Mesjaz and Blackett, however they do have a solid returning backcourt in Yocum and Amenerios, albeit a small one.
They also have a very impressive recruit coming into the school.
John Romeo is a 6'4 forward out of St. Edmund High School in Brooklyn. John is a tough forward with long arms and an outstanding knack for the ball. He has range out to the 3pt line and will be able to score both inside and out.
He should be all CUNY as a freshman and go on to be the best rebounder in the history of the CUNYAC. I saw him many times during the past 2 years as I am an administrator at one of the schools within St. Edmund's division. Romeo can potentially carry CSI on his back and make them into a contender next season.
Let us see if this promising player lives up to his potential.
Living in bklyn i have seen Romeo play for the past 3 years or so, first off I would like to state the positives. He runs well, is athletic and a VERY hard worker. He was always one of the hardest working players on the floor every time i have seen him play.
With that said, and in no way do i mean to disrespect a young man, a young d3 student athlete at that, but let us not get carried away here. Your assessment of Romeo is WAY over the top. Romeo was not even the best player on his hs team. When we talk about things such as the "best rebounder in the history of the CUNYAC," we are getting ahead of ourselves. Neil Edwards, Chris Peterson, John Thomas, Gary Blackett...these are guys in recent history who were better rebounders than Romeo will most lkely be and none of them were, to my knowledge, the best in the CuNY's history.
Past that, Romeo is an undersized 4 and must learn the 3 at the college level. Doing this and "carrying" a team as a freshman is extremely difficult. Carrying a team as a freshman is extremely difficult in and of itself.
Bottom line, and you can argue the previous points I made, the proof is in the pudding. I think Romeo is a nice addition to the CSI squad, and a needed component for them after the loss of Blackett. I think he will be a very good role player as a freshman. With hard work, which it seems he doesnt mind, he can be a cornerstone for their team by his junior and senior year and really do well.
In terms of him being a savior and an all time cuny player, he simply is not that good. That may sound harsh, so I apologize...because the truth is I love his game, his heart and his hustle. I love to watch players like him get after it on the court, we just need to be careful about touting players and saviors and all time bests, when thats not reality. In my opinion.
What up NA,
From what I've heard around the neighborhood, I have to agree with you. Seems a bit much from what was said by Bubbachuck.
BUT... I don't think David Paul was looked at as being a stud coming out of high school either. I'm not saying he has that potential but he sounds more like an athletic Nebalakis from what people were saying.
who is this romeo kid
News must be that slow to talk about an incoming HS kid from an 0-16 team.
Quote from: xalva66 on July 09, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
News must be that slow to talk about an incoming HS kid from an 0-16 team.
lol
0-16 wow lolol
xalva66: Any word on Hunter regarding this upcoming season?
I got nothing.
Bubbachuck: All-Cuny as freshman and greatest rebounder in CUNY history? I really do not know what to say that.
its a good thing i wasnt holding my breath for your opinion then huh Xalva?
BubbaChuck3: I never saw Romeo play. How does he compare to George Kunkel? From your description they seem to be similar, although Kunkel does not have great range on his jumper.
In regards to a comparison. Kunkle is a much better low post threat. However, Romeo may posses a better motor in regard to getting to the ball. And Romeo plays all out, whereas Kunkle has lapses. However, I am not completely familiar with Kunkle so from what I do know, that is my opinion.
Are you guys seriously comparing an incoming freshman to a former all CUNY player?
haha..
all this hype is going to make xalva and his hawks try to totally shut down this kid when they play him...
pretty funny
Danny,
The only reason I am blasting Bubbachuck is because, no one should compare any incoming freshman to a current/former CUNY all-conference player. It is completely disrespectful to do such a thing until that incoming freshman has earned his stripes by actually playing in the conference and competing before anyone calls him an all Conference player as a freshman and the greatest rebounder in CUNY history. I have heard so many stories when recruiting HS players. These kids are expecting D1 scholarships or want to walk on a D1 team. They end up not playing in their Freshman year and then leave after their Sophomore years. I understand that bringing in Freshman is always a positive for any program. But some of them are so "gassed" by their HS coaches that they do not even look at a D3 CUNY school. This is why I got so aggravated when someone is hyping such a player. I will guarantee you that Hunter will not prepare for him unless he is averaging 20 ppg and 15 rpg before they play.
hey is marlon smith coming back to hunter
I have no idea what is going at Hunter.
Quote from: bxballer on July 14, 2008, 12:48:03 PM
hey is marlon smith coming back to hunter
It' ll be interesting to see if Marlon Smith comes back to Hunter. As far as I can tell, he played a full year at Penn State in 2004. He played half a year at Penn State in 2005 because of medical issues. He played a full year at Robert Morris in 2007. And he played half a year at Hunter in 2008. Like I said earlier, I don't know what all this adds up to. Maybe he will be back this season.
that a 4 years i dont think cuny would allow him to play another year
Cuny, as a system, has no say in who does and does not play. The NCAA however, they are the ones who decide that a player does not have eligibility left. If the kid played four years, odds are, he can't play a fifth.
Rhodes, the NJAC might have gone down a slight bit last season, I would not be shocked it that were just a one year trend. Be on the lookout, because the CUNY will once again get a rude awakening from the NJAC teams they dared to schedule.
From what I understand, Smith played two full seasons and two half seasons. It's possible he might have a semester of eligibility remaining.
As far as the NJAC goes, I think the conference has been declining for the last five years or so. It's still stronger than the CUNYAC, to be sure. I don't know anyone who would claim otherwise.
Smith could be eligible if he has not attempted 10 fulltime semesters of school(12 or more credits at most schools) and if he received a medical redshirt at Penn State. If memory serves me correct, he has a medical issue that prohibited him from playing at PSU. He may have only played 1 semester last year because he had used 9 fulltime semesters and had 1 semester left to use last year of eligibility or he may have decided to come in late because he had 3 fulltime semesters left and will play this year. Often the school will need to appeal to the conference for certification of eligibility and maybe even take it to NCAA. Hope this helps.
Quote from: xalva66 on July 14, 2008, 11:21:23 AM
Danny,
The only reason I am blasting Bubbachuck is because, no one should compare any incoming freshman to a current/former CUNY all-conference player. It is completely disrespectful to do such a thing until that incoming freshman has earned his stripes by actually playing in the conference and competing before anyone calls him an all Conference player as a freshman and the greatest rebounder in CUNY history. I have heard so many stories when recruiting HS players. These kids are expecting D1 scholarships or want to walk on a D1 team. They end up not playing in their Freshman year and then leave after their Sophomore years. I understand that bringing in Freshman is always a positive for any program. But some of them are so "gassed" by their HS coaches that they do not even look at a D3 CUNY school. This is why I got so aggravated when someone is hyping such a player. I will guarantee you that Hunter will not prepare for him unless he is averaging 20 ppg and 15 rpg before they play.
I concur. I try to preach to the high school kids I encounter but they don't want to hear it.
I get the... "St. Johns, Manhattan, Fordham" blah blah blah...
umm... I feel bad for some of these kids who you think they are going to be a 6'2-6'4 power forwards at the D1 level...
does richard baptist have a good chance of becomeing the MVP again fro 2008-2009 season
Baptist is certainly one of the favorites. Other possibilities include Hall, Phillip, and Rhoden. I'm assuming all these guys return and that's never a given in CUNY.
i would like to see how omari phipps and marcell esonwwne from york will do this coming season because the both of them had outstanding rookie seasons
omari being the conference rookie of the year
Yes, nothing like the 25 yr old rookie of the year making a run at becoming a 26 yr old mvp in college bball.
omeri is not 25 he is 21 yrs bubba
Yeah I'm sure I can take your word for it, considering you can't even spell his name right. Its a 5 letter name, easy to sound out. O-MAR-I = Omari.
And how old was Salamanaca?
about salamanaca i heard he was old but i dont kno him like that so i dont kno the exact # but for omari he is 21 dont let that fact that he is huge get to you he hits the weight room on the regular
bxballer, who ever gave you info on omari phipps age lied to you!!.. i am 23 yrs old and when i entered high school and a sophomore he had been 1 or 2 yrs older than me!! trust me i know what im talking about when it comes to his age! he is def at least 24 or 25!! ive known him for quite some time and he is def older than me
Whats up Danny and Coach? Hope everything is well with u and u had great summers.
I don't see why Brooklyn would not be the preseason favs. The big 3 in Baptiste, Nesbitt, and Weissmuller is very tough to defend on a nightly basis.
As for the news about Romeo going to CSI I hope he can just contribute on the defensive end and rebound for the dolphins. It should be a rebuilding year for the dolphins but with the style they play,year in and out Petosa has them very competitive within the CUNY. Look for Amenioros to be a bigger offensive threat this year with Yocum able to control the game.
I don't know much about CSI's recruiting class but I know one kid they got from Moore Catholic Schettino. He is a deadly shooter from deep.
peace out
sean need to get back in shape just like he was at csi
what up AG... hope the youngsters are doing well.
Brooklyn should be up there. They do have a big void at the PG position but I believe coach has some recruits coming in to fill the void. Sean should have a better year since he'll be starting fresh with this team. Baptiste should be a pre-season all american. Nesbitt is also a year older... this team is still fairly young.
Hunter --- well who knows... They could have an all star team for all we know. If Smith is back with Chris Bernard and his JUCO big man buddy, they could be really tough and the favorite if they stay eligible.
CSI... can be the best shooting team in CUNY.. I think they have a few guys who are going to be eligible second semester which could make them a sleeper. I agree about Amerenios and Yocum controlling the game.
I'm not sure about everyone else but of course Baruch and York will be there.
And don't forget NYC Tech and John Jay, for all we know they could the first place teams in their respective divisions come February.
It looks wide open right now.
do anybody know anything abt york and how they plan a replace their senior all confrenece point guard mike
Word has it that York has a young, 25 yr old freshman pg all set to take over for the youthful 28 yr old Salamanca. York is starting a youth movement, no one over the age of 27 is allowed on their team anymore.
Thats hilarious!
Hey lets now forget about Lehmen's allstar. He can win a game by his self.
DaMan:
Yes clearly, Lehman's outstanding finish as the 8 seed and first round knockout last year indicate they have an allstar who can win games by himself.
So Lehman returning 4 of 5 starters this year doesn't make them a contender this year. Well it does, also City Tech still has their Two CUNY All stars with a added guard from Hostos Community College. So don't take them lightly.
wats the name of the hostos guard city is bringing
Well his Stats are not jaw dropping but he did come from a good winning program at Hostos. The guard that city tech has playing this year is Roman Perze. He's a very good shooter and attack the rim at will.
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Oh! Ok! Just was tired of the nonsense talk
marcel and omari are good candiates fro the cuny mvp they both last year with the help of chris roberts dominated in the paint
Quote from: THE GREAT DEBATOR on October 05, 2008, 09:01:25 PM
Oh! Ok! Just was tired of the nonsense talk
Welcome. I'm against nonsense as well. :)
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no body has anything to say anymore the THE GREAT DEBATOR is waiting for debates
I'm sure that once the season starts the board will get busy again and THE GREAT DEBATER will have quite a few people to debate with. Now, does anyone have any info on transfers, incoming freshmen or roster changes?
I heard from a reliable source that Hunter has a whole lot of new faces this year. He told me that Frantz Millien and Justin Antes are returning from last year's team, but he doesn't know if anyone else will be back.
i think hunter will be a treat this season
There is bad and good news for the CSI Dolphins this year. The bad news is that their best returning backcourt player Brian Amenerios is not on the roster for some reason this year. The kid would have been a great leader this year and would have grinded out a few wins for them. This means the team is all Kyle Yocums to run. On the good side CSI should be the deadliest perimeter shooting team in the league. They have a 6'4 Molloy College transfer Glebb Nomashey who is a lights out shooter with good size, they also got a player from Adelphi Tech named Bernardi who is also a parking lot shooter with a good body. Also watch out for true freshman Schettino from Moore Catholic who averaged 20 a game in HS. All these guys in addition to Hennessey and Montervino can flat out shoot the ball. If they are good with the ball and run their motion offense sharp they should be able to score. From what I hear they do not have a true big man on their roster, so they might have to live and die on the long ball.
u can alway live by three point shoot and shoots csi better go and find a big men that will battle it out with other bigmens in cuny like former csi player sean, city tech ryan, yorks omari and marcel , etc not only in cuny but other non conference match ups
I'm guessing baller went to a cuny school.....anyone???
of course i went to a cuny skool why would i be on this message board if i didnt
cuny basketball championship
Guess I will start the 08-09 CUNY talk. Here are my predictions for this season:
East
1. John Jay
2. Lehman
3. Hunter
4. Baruch
5. CCNY
West
1. Brooklyn
2. York
3. NYC Tech
4. Staten Island
5. Medgar Evers
Thank you for starting some good talk.
What are the reasons for John Jay and Brooklyn to be pre-season number 1's?
Do you have previews all of the teams in the CUNY? ;D
why is john jay and brooklyn on the top and hunter and york are not on the top is there any special reason why
Havent heard much about any of the schools, just know that John Jay is returning a lot of talent from last year, and hey, they did win the title, so its theres until someone takes it from them. Brooklyn College has a world of talent, and would be shocked to see them melt like they did last year. With Weismuller for the whole year, the team has plenty of time to gel. Does Brooklyn have their new facility yet, and what is the word around conference, how is York going to be?
i think they are returing 2 starters omari and marcel and their bench players like rodney , smith and wilson
Also hear rumblings that Lehman is going to be good this year, heard that have a legit D1 transfer, and with Rhoden returning, could be a surprise team
The only two schools that have posted their rosters are Baruch and John Jay, and the Bloodhounds don't have any freshmen or new players listed so I don't know if it's complete. I wonder if Brooklyn has picked up any transfers or impact freshmen to go along with their very strong returning nucleus.
Yes I've been on every team's website in the CUNY, and I haven't seen anything new yet. But what I did see was every team schedule, and might I say Brooklyn and John Jay both have a very weak schedules. Besides from Baruch playing a d1 team tonight, York will play some good team and a few are Ranked in the Nation. So shouldn't that play a role in your Pre- season picks?
hoop junkie offered the predictions not me. In recent years, York has had a strong nonconference schedule, although I don't think it's that strong this year.
Rhodes Scholar i think york for this season has the hardest non conference than any other school go to their athletics website and check
I have to agree, the CUNY schedules arent the toughest this year on the men's side. Seems like many of the schools have went the route of scheduling some of the lesser opponents and have stayed away some of the local powers. Never know how that could play out, could be very interesting. Does anyone know anything about NYC Tech. I know they have Hall and Phillips, did they add anyone, and can they be a serious contender? I think Lehman can be a sleeper, Rhoden is one of the top players in the conference and they return everyone from the team who almost upset York last season in the playoffs. Steve Shulmen is a good coach, his teams are usually prepared.
No that is not john jays official roster, they do have some new young talent and should def be a contender this year.
they do have jeager and mason and they should take up a bulk of the offense, and mascall should be returnin to so it will be interesting.
Remember nobody picked them to win it last year and even win a ncaa game last yr but they did so they cannot be slept on.
But they did lose kased valerio and pierece so they will be thin at the big man position.
But do not sleep on them coach J always finds a way to get the most out his guys when it counts.
Last year rec. 14-16 beat 2 njaac school (ramapo, montclair st.) and they have steadily improved as a program every year
Manhattan College 110 Baruch College 42. This type of loss cant be good for the reputation of the conference! Had friends attend this game, heard it was ugly from start to finish, guess the score does indicate that.
CSI opens there season up facing Stevens Tech and Wheaton (Ill.) right off the bat. They also have non league games against Farmingdale, Jersey City, Montclair St. and Kean. That is a preatty tuff non league schedule. I never understood why more teams from the CUNY don't schedule tuff games. Especially because the Cuny will rarely get a at large bid. It is all about winning the CUNY championship, so it would better suit teams to play a hard schedule to prepare for the finals. By the way dont be so quick to say Phillips and Hall are returning for City Tech, you never know with that school.
so coach ag what do you kno about city tech lolol ;D
Whatever happened to the NJAC CUNY Challenge series? I always thought that was good for both conferences but better for CUNY, and it was enjoyable.
CSI has six teams there that have all been either to the NCAA's or ECAC's, I agree with Coach AG, pretty tough ooc schedule.
Maybe the CUNYAC schools need to play tough schedules and not "tuff" ones. People keep talking about the reputation of the cuny, well when you have people posting on this board claiming to be students or experts of the cuny mispelling words or typing in slang, how can you expect to have a good reputation.
Some replies on posts from the last page:
I wouldn't push Lehman that far ahead just because they allegedly have a legit D1 transfer, I mean Hunter had that last season and no matter how many points he put up, they still couldn't advance.
As for the rankings, I believe out of respect of what Charles Jackson did last season, they need to be listed at the top of the division. I think the rest is going to be a crap shoot, haven't heard much of anything about City Tech, Medgar, Staten Island or Hunter. I've had conversations with various people, and there is not a lot of info leaking out at this point, I guess we will have to wait and see how each team fairs in their opening weekend before we can pick solid preseason rankings.
Knight_Life:
Before you go correcting people's grammar, I would make sure my own was in order. You would FARE a lot better off if you did that. Stop correcting people if you can't assure others you demonstrate the ability to convey your own thoughts correctly. You clown.
(Thanxs) Bubba. Lol, I did not know you had to post comments like you where typing a report for school on this forum. I thought it was more about posting some useful insight on the CUNY or expressing your opinions. If every person has to be scared about posting because of grammer critique, then no one might post at all. Get a Life!!
About rankings for the league my vote is Brooklyn. They might have the three best players in the league on their team with Baptiste, Weissmuller and Nesbitt. Plus Coach Podias has them playing at a high level right now.
hunter, york & brooklyn are my top 3 for the conference.
Quote from: d3hero on November 11, 2008, 02:07:23 PM
hunter, york & brooklyn are my top 3 for the conference.
Any reason why you have Hunter at the top? Their roster is now online and I noticed about ten new guys. DeLuca, Dodd and Kelly didn't come back this year. Once again, Hunter has a very large amount of player turnover.
hunter's turnover rate is huge because the guys can't stay in the school academically. This forces coach P. to over-recruit and make sure he's able to maintain a competitive roster throughout.
However, i noticed the new roster as well and i'm going to gurantee that the kid from Greece is probably absolutely nasty. Hunter will be in the mix.
it has been a bad opening week for cuny schools
The CUNY teams went 0-4 yesterday and were the underdogs in every game. York lost close while Lehman and City Tech were competitive. Medgar was flat-out crushed. It'll be interesting to see how Brooklyn does Tuesday at home against TCNJ.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 16, 2008, 02:26:53 PM
The CUNY teams went 0-4 yesterday and were the underdogs in every game. York lost close while Lehman and City Tech were competitive. Medgar was flat-out crushed. It'll be interesting to see how Brooklyn does Tuesday at home against TCNJ.
I saw the first half of the York NJCU game, York looked decent. Aggressive on the boards and on defense. The Cardinals have height and a lot of length, several long armed players. The F/C from Nigeria is the real deal, tall, long, good rebounder and defender. The point guard, Exum, is also a good player and they appear to have a deep bench. York also has a female assistant coach, first I have seen that in D-III. Good for York.
York is big, long and lean. they're going to be a strong team if everyone stays on it.
Hello everyone... nice to see some new and old names on the board.
What's up Coach AG and Coach NA.
I now realize I have to make sure my grammer and ideas are articulated correctly. Seems like we have higher standards of posting on the board.
Caught the Brooklyn vs College of New Jersey game last night. Very exciting, Brooklyn was down 8 with 5 minutes left and came back to win.
Baptiste played well, scored 23 but was in foul trouble most of the game. It was obvious that no one on TCNJ could stop him.
Nesbitt, Guerin and their new point guard AJ Hemingway looked sharp. Podias went ten deep in a tight game with mostly everyone off the bench looking like they belong in the game. I think last year, BC loses a game like this but I'm thinking they are starting to mature a bit and the amount of depth can't hurt. If Brooklyn can play consistent D for 40 minutes, they'll be tough to beat as they can score with anyone.
I thought TCNJ was well coached and they played smart. A lot of transition jump shots. They shot the ball well and didn't make many mistakes. One guy couldn't miss when he was open. The kid Sylverstein was automatic from all over the court. I'm thinking he should be a problem for the NJAC if he's allowed open looks.
The weekend should be a tough test as BC goes out to play in the Old Westbury Tourney. I believ they match up with Old Westbury in the first round. I believe Old Westbury is ranked 2nd in the preseason polls for the Skyline and this game should be a good gauge for each team.
Good to see CUNY went 3-1 last night with wins over FDU and MSV.
CSI lost to Stevens but ST are probably going to be one of the top teams in the area.
Anyone catch any of these games?
TCNJ always seems to have that kid.
Whats good Danny? Are u living in Staten Island yet? Email me your number I might have a coaching oppurtunity for you.
I noticed Sean only played 9 minutes last night, is he ok(hurt,sick?). Its quite impressive that BC was able to pull off the win with him on the bench. However the kid Cudjoe that transferred from Medger seemed to give them a lift. I don't remember him from Medger, how would you describe his game?
Thanks for the great post Danny, talk to ya soon.
Doing well.
Cudjoe def adds some depth down low. He's young and needs some polish but he always seems to be around the ball. He's long and will be a big help down low.
Sean's fine but was unable to start practice with the rest of the team due to some non-basketball registrar stuff. He's behind a bit but I'm sure he'll catch up by the break.
This is probably the deepest team BC has had since I could remember. Even without Baptiste for half the game, they kept their composure and were able to pull through.
I noticed York was picked ahead of them, I'm curious to see how they look. NYC tech also has to be in the mix within the division.
Wow...
CCNY lost to Yeshiva by 15. That's got to sting.
Lots of games to watch tonight with several CUNY's in action. York in action at the New Paltz Tourney should be interesting, as should Hunter's opener.
However, one pairing that caught my eye is Brooklyn-Old Westbury tonight at the Old Westbury Tourney. These two are each powers in their respective conferences and are two of the better teams in the Region. This early season marquee matchup should be fun to watch and is sure to be a great game.
Anyone else have feelings on that?
Old Westbury's best swingman G. James did not play in their exhibition game so i don't know whats' up with that. Their coach also refuses to start their 6'10", Lester Prosper. It makes little to no sense to me.
Should be a good game though.
Quote from: d3hero on November 11, 2008, 05:16:42 PM
hunter's turnover rate is huge because the guys can't stay in the school academically. This forces coach P. to over-recruit and make sure he's able to maintain a competitive roster throughout.
However, i noticed the new roster as well and i'm going to gurantee that the kid from Greece is probably absolutely nasty. Hunter will be in the mix.
Hello everyone. I am new to the online posting, but I will give it a try. I have considered sending players to Hunter, but noticed the same trend. I do not think Hunter is THAT much of a tougher school academically then say Baruch or CCNY, but I think there is more to this issue than what appears at the surface.
York looks tough this year, as well as Brooklyn. CCNY will not be contenders, as neither will Hunter.
Has anyone seen Lehman yet?
Brooklyn, Lehman, John Jay & York are the ONLY decent teams in the CUNY this year imo.
York, however, did lose to Hartwick in the New Paltz tournament and Hartwick lost to, yes, SUNY Purchase, which isn't saying much about that win for the Cardinals but, they're a strong, old, and physical team.
I actually think that Brooklyn will take the league this year but i don't think that's saying much : the CUNY has never been weaker than it is right now.
Hunter had an impressive win over Manhatanville.
City Tech has some new faces to add to the mix, 2 new starters transferred in and both can play.
Baruch is always dangerous.
Thats 3 more teams to add to the mix if you ask me. I wouldnt sleep on those 3 teams.
Baruch hasn't been this bad in a long time. that's all i'm saying about them. Coach Rankis is the best local coach though so he'll turn out some wins.
I've seen Baruch twice this year, and I don't think they're as bad as you do. Farid, Kunkel and Bader are all solid. If Hilaire is consistent they should be fine. That said, their bench is pretty weak.
"Baruch hasn't been this bad in a long time"
D3hero, they took the "legit" (your quote) Farmingdale to overtime last night.
this isn't the same baruch with gari & sime marnika though. this isn't the baruch with lou karis & robi davidson. george is a good player but outside of him and a few other guys, they're not strong.
i feel college hoops at d3 has become weaker, in all honesty.
Hartwick's 10-15 team in 2002 had players that would CRUSH kids today. The talent just isn't as good.
What's up, Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Interesting topic. People always claim that athletes were more talented in the past. I'm not sure. I guess you can look at the best players and match them up from past years. A player like David Paul from CSI or Lou Karis would probabaly be just as good in today's CUNY as much as they did when they were seniors. Now take a current player like Jean Baptiste and he would be doing the same thing he does now against the teams 10 years ago. I played 99-03 and I know Baptiste would have been all-cuny during my time as well. It's extremely difficult to compare time frames. You just just don't know.
While on the topic of talent, I believe CUNY as a whole conference has made strides to catch up to the other local conferences over the past few seasons.
In other CUNY news, my brother Sean has decided to sit out this year for personal reasons and
Kyle Yocum has decided not to play this year for CSI.
I also noticed after Brooklyn beat Old Westbury, OW's website headline was "Old Westbury STUNNED by Brooklyn College"... I thought stunned was an interesting choice of words, lol. Some people would probabaly say Brooklyn was favorite in that game.
Coach AG, give me a call when you get a chance.
Coach NA, thanks for the email.
William Paterson defeated Hunter 71-69 on Saturday, after trailing by eight points in the second half. The top team from the NJAC almost made headlines with an upset loss to a team that many are saying shouldn't be considered a contender in the CUNYAC.....maybe those thoughts will change after this game.
I also saw the WPU-Hunter game. Very exciting contest and the Pioneers were very fortunate to come away with the victory. Hunter looks like they'll be one of the better teams in the conference. Millien and DeLuca are the two big guns back from last year's team. Kinaj, a point guard, looks like the best of the newcomers.
Baruch is a solid team they are off to a 3-2 start with good wins over Immaculata and Stevens breaking Stevens home winning streak. They lost close games to a good NYU team and always tough Farmingdale. Ray Rankis is the best coach in CUNY and always get the best out of his players. They will contend for the title.
I have to agree that the CUNY league is weaker than the past years. Back in the day the backcourt play was a whole lot better than it is now and you also had a couple of solid big men.
That is true, I remember there being this one guy at City Tech maybe six or seven years ago. I can't remember his name, but he was big, solid and legit. Not too many big men like that anymore in the conference.
I forget his name though i think his last name started with an "M".
You're absolutely right though: the CUNY has no big men like they used to and CCNY doesn't have anything anymore. Where's Dana Warner when u need him? Graduated and working, that's where.
Quote from: knight_life on December 02, 2008, 09:27:40 PM
That is true, I remember there being this one guy at City Tech maybe six or seven years ago. I can't remember his name, but he was big, solid and legit. Not too many big men like that anymore in the conference.
Shacun Malave led City tech to a Cuny championship about 7 years ago. he WAS legit; he had a great offensive game, but it might have been second to this defense. John Smith and Nebavlakis from CSI weren't too bad either. Sekani Francis from Lehman was pretty good for a 65 year old. Weismuller looked like the next great big man after his freshman year. Hopefully he can return to form when he comes backnext year.
As far as big men go, I think David Paul is better than all the guys mentioned. Maybe Shacun Malave and Sekani Francis were comparable but David Paul was a beast and I'll put him up against any big man over the last ten years in the region. Don't forget Neil Edwards either who went on to the NBDL. He wasn't as skilled but I believe he did lead the country in blocks 2 years in a row.
Dana Warner? He was good but he was also a rent a player for a year or a year and a 1/4 and a D1 or D2 transfer. That CCNY team was very good and had 3-4 really good players. And Dana Warner was more of a swing man if I remember.
How bout top point guards in the last ten years?
Last nights results:
CCNY 50 Lehman 70
John Jay 65 Hunter 77
CSI 61 City Tech 67
Medgar Evers 61 Baruch 87
York 62 Brooklyn 71
Can't say I'm surprised from the scores although CSI seemed to be pretty close to City Tech. CSI has Jordan Young, a freshman who has been putting up some impressive numbers. I have'nt seen him play yet but he looks like the real deal.
Brooklyn took down York and looks like they were up by 15 at one point. Brooklyn turned York over 30 times. If BC shoots well, they will be very tough to beat.
We are talking about CUNY almost every team has had a rent a player for at least a year or two, Warner wasn't the only one. I would also put Cheick Fadika on that last list of good big men in the league he played at Baruch a couple of years ago.
Some of the best guards I've seen from 2002-2007
Edgar Lugo Lehman
Luis Chavez Lehman
Pablo Palma John Jay
Tim White Joh Jay
Dana Warner CCNY
Lorcan Precious Hunter
Michael Stewart CSI
Jeff Baptist Brooklyn Collge
Carl Emengo Baruch
Lou Karis Baruch
Robbie Davidson Baruch
Andre Bagot Lehman
John Alesi Baruch
Shayne Smith York
Perry Wilkes Medgar
Edgar Lugo played against me in my men's league at the Reebok Sports Club L/A and he's absolutely legit.
What about Sime Marnika & Gary Etienne from Baruch for big guys?
Nice list JWil...
I would add my buddy Jason Fulford from Brooklyn as well. I'm sure we are missing a few people.
From that list I would say Lorcan Precious was probably the best natural point guard.
Dana Warner and Mike Stewart the best players out of the list. I didn't see everyone else enough to comment. Jeff Baptist was extremely underrated as well.
Sime and Gary were good players but I don't think they were elite. They def were part of the reason that Baruch team was so tough.
I agree Sime and Gary were good players, Gary I think was the better out of the two but I think Fadika ended his career better than both his career just got off to a slower start because he had to really learn the game.
I also would agree that Precious was the best pure point and Dana was the scorer, though Wilkes was a monster even though he didn't finish the year. I would also throw Hall at City Tech on that list.
No love for Salamanaca from York? Or McFarlane from Brooklyn?
I guess you could throw those guys in.. the list was '02-'07 so i didn't throw recent players in. And Bubbachuck, you are showing love for York Basketball? Oh man... it must be close to the holidays.
Caught the Brooklyn/CSI game last night... Brooklyn had about a 10-12 point lead the whole game. If CSI could of made some shots they might of made it closer. One thing which worries me about Brooklyn is that they seem to have a very lackadasical attitude. I think they were about 30 points better than CSI and should of buried them early, instead they let them hang around the whole game.
CSI is in a tough spot right now. They have some young talent along with Hennessy but after that, they aren't very deep. The Freshman Jordan Young is going to be a player in the league. He's a freshman but is very polished with good moves around the basket. I think once his body matures, he'll be a nice player in the CUNY.
Big win for Baruch over York. I guess you could say Baruch and BC are the top teams in each division right now.
Huge win for Baruch, other than Poly they have played some tough teams.
I've been holding off on writing on the board until I've seen all of the CUNY teams. Having now seen all of them, I can now enlighten you all on my opinion on each team, knowing just how much each of you care about it.
Let us begin with the North:
Baruch: Bearcats are a solid team. Coach Rankis plays alot of players, in an attempt to provide mismatches and keep guys fresh. That being said, Baruch is a flawed team. They only have one consistent scorer out of the backcourt in Farid. Hillaire struggles with his shooting and overall as a team, they do not shoot the 3 particularly well.
Lehman: Another team that plays a lot of players. Seemingly they have lost their 2nd scorer, Garcia. However, Rhoden is an All Conference Player who does everything he can to win. Lehman has a surplus of role players on their team and they seem to have great chemistry. Could be a surprise team in the conference this year.
Hunter: Caught their spirited effort against William Paterson. Deluca's return brings another needed scorer. They can shoot the 3 as a team and the new guard Kinaj seems to be a good pickup for them. However, they are lacking athleticism on the wing and overall depth of the team. Their lack of those 2 assets could be detrimental in the long run.
John Jay: Defending champions are struggling. Although they return everyone from last year's amazing run, they seem to have gotten very complacent with themselves. Coach Jackson needs to wake up his team soon or they won't have a chance at a repeat. Mason seems to be playing his way out of any awards he accumulated last year.
CCNY: Although they have some new faces, they are painful to watch. Caught their game at Yeshiva, a 15 point loss to the Macs is shameful in and of itself.
Now to the South:
Brooklyn: Caught the games against New Jersey and York. Brooklyn returns almost the entire team from last year's 20 win campaign. However, the loss of McFarlane is evident in this year's Bridges' lack of defensive play. All-American, Baptiste continues to put up numbers. As does Nisbett. New guard Hemingway is solid but is in no manner a point guard and at times can be a turnover factory. Though very talented, Brooklyn does have their issues as well. They seem to disappear for stretches during games and they play very lackluster defense. Aside from Baptiste, Nisbett and # 20, they do not seem to have someone capable of knocking down the open 3 as they bring no shooting depth off the bench. Brooklyn also seems to dish out excessive minutes to 5 or 6 guys, hopefully they do not break down when they hit the stretch run.
City Tech: As they always seem to be, City Tech is maddeningly inconsistent. Returning All-Conference players in Hall and Philip, Tech is bound to be dangerous. However, at times when Jamaal Hall is not dominating the ball, Tech seems unsure of what to do. If Tech is able to find some cohesion within their offense that does not allow to defenses to focus solely on Hall, Tech could be a serious contender for the CUNY Title this season.
York: Why how the mighty have fallen. For the past few years, York has been the clear cut power in the conference. However, they do not seem to be nearly as good this year. I caught the aforementioned York-Brooklyn game. York is a huge team, with players at 6'9, 6'9, 6'7 and wing players at 6'3 and 6'4. While the new guy Exum is very talented, they seem to desperately miss Salamanaca's ability to facilitate the offense. However, their big guy Marcel has missed most of the games this season due to injury and it is unknown how they will play when he returns to form.
CSI: Coach Petosa seems to have lost all control over his team. In the past year, Petosa has had multiple players quit his team, including core players such as Weismuller last year and Yocum this year. Yocum's departure combined with the loss of graduating seniors Mesjaz and Blackett, has left CSI with a huge whole at the most important position, point guard. While freshman Jordan Young seems to be a promising player, it would be good to see what he could do if he had someone to get him the ball where he needs it. It is said that CSI has multiple players ineligible that can be of help to the team. For their sake, let us all hope so.
Medgar Evers: Just like CCNY, Medgar can be very painful to watch at times. They are a very unorganized team and they simply do not have the talent to make up for their lack of understanding of the game. While they have been bad for years, for the most part Medgar has given teams a competitive game. Hopefully for the sake of the game, they can continue to do so.
Big win for Brooklyn yesterday at Purchase.
Are there regional rankings? BC has to be in the mix.
BK is 3-0 against skyline teams and 1-0 against NJAC. They definitely deserve to be somewhere near the top of the "regional rankings." If they can somehow beat Richard Stockton next week (8-1, 2-0 in NJAC), they should be #1.
BC walks away with a nice win against Purchase yes, but they lost a 24 point lead and then another big lead TWICE. This team has no height and against a squad with a dominant big man and other good players surrounding him, will get taken down hard.
The region is weak this year, let's just agree on that.
Since when is a win over Purchase big?????????? Even more so than that, when is a win over a Skyline school big or important? I can tell you this, Brooklyn having beaten three Skyline schools is not going to get them ranked. Beating CNJ is nice, but CNJ has not been a strong team in the NJAC in recent years. Let's have them play Paterson or even see how they do against Stockton and then we can start talking about regional rankings.
Quote from: knight_life on December 08, 2008, 04:11:47 PM
Since when is a win over Purchase big??????????
Well i thought it was a big win with all the hype surrounding Purchase on this board. Richard Stockton should be a good test on Saturday. Baruch beating Rutgers-Newark is a big win for the conference as Rutgers-Newark is currently standing a top the North division in the NJAC. I still think the NJAC is stronger than the other two conferences in the region but Saturday will give us another chance to examine this argument.
after hearing guys like d3hero on here, i also gave Brooklyn credit for beating Purchase.
In my eyes Brooklyn is one of the top teams int he recion, as well as SJC LI.
Anyone know whats up with Jameson Garcia over at Lehman? He hasnt been playing? He was very good for The Lightning.
Another big win for Baruch thats 4 in a row against some pretty good teams. Beating Purchase does not make Brooklyn one of the best teams in the region not even close.
Quote from: JWill on December 09, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
Another big win for Baruch thats 4 in a row against some pretty good teams. Beating Purchase does not make Brooklyn one of the best teams in the region not even close.
not even close?????? Out of curiosity, who would be in ur top 5 in the region then?? the only one in the skyline ahead of brooklyn would probably be st joes-li. so that would leave 4 NJAC teams. which ones??
Other than college of new jersey and oswego, I don't feel they have really been tested. Let's look at Baruch games they've played NYU, Immaculata, Farmingdale, Stevens, and Rutgers-Newark. Baruch has won 3 out of those 5 games and the two lost are by a combine 9 points.
Brooklyn did beat College of New Jersey but they are in a down year.
Wins against York and Old Westbury have to mean something as well.
Like I said, Saturday against Stockton will be a tough test. Stockton has to be considered one of the top teams in the region so it will be a good test.
i agree brooklyn is one of the top teams in the region. Saying theyre not bc theyve only had 2 really tough tests is ridiculous because ITS DECEMBER 10TH! They will have more tests. Using that logic we arent allowed to call a team a top team in the preseason. It doesnt make sense.
Stockton is def up there and SJC LI as well. Baruch is making some noise and im not surprised i said it o0n here before they have a good team.
York is not the same team they have been in the past and Old Westbury. You right its early December but you are already calling Brooklyn one of the best teams in the region. You right they have some test ahead let's see how they do.
JWill if Bklyn is NOT one of the top teams name 3 in the region above them...im not arguing just would like to see your opinion. In my opinion Stockton, SJC LI, Bklyn, Westbury are the teams in the region with Baruch creeping in.
Sorry, but there is no way two Skyline schools should be considered top in the region and you only have one NJAC school on there. Stockton, William Paterson, Montclair State and Rutgers-Newark, despite the loss to Baruch. If Newark happens to lose to Hunter on the 30th, then they would be removed from the list. CUNYAC wise, I don't see anyone creeping into the top five, Baruch would get some votes, but would be a better fit for the top ten. Brooklyn might make top ten.
If you want people to respect what your saying, you can't sit here and tell us Brooklyn is amazing because they beat Purchase when your user name is brooklyn basketball.
^^when have i ever said Brooklyn was AMAZING? I didnt.
I like SJC LI and Farmingdale better than them. I like Stockton better than all 3. I think WP should be up there i made a mistake leaving them off the list. i tried but there is no edit option on these boards to edit your post.
Check my posts on here, i only write about what i know. I dont fantasize anything. Brooklyn has the regions pre season all american, youre telling me there are TEN teams better than Brooklyn in the Atlantic? Name them because now you sound crazy. 2 njac, 2 skyline and 1 cuny make my top 5 in no particular order.
oh by the way Montclair state lost to Farmingdale by 15 i believe or close to it and they also lost to City Tech, from the CUNY which you claim is inferior. Just an FYI.
KnightLife:
Brooklyn returns almost their entire team from last year, except the Senior PG.
Brooklyn is 4-0 against NJAC in the past season and a quarter, including an ECAC tournament victory over Rutgers Newark.
They are 6-2 vs Skyline in the same time frame.
Brooklyn beat Baruch easily last year.
Brooklyn also defeated Old Westbury who has lost close games against D2 NYIT and D1 Hofstra.
So please stop rambling. The CUNY as a whole might be weak, but Brooklyn certainly is not and has to be considered among the top in the region.
St. Joe's is the best team in the region IMO. They have two extremely, extremely good players and a center who has a double/double in every game this season.
Great to see such talk early in the season. Brooklyn does return a great team from last season, but I dont see Weismuller in the box scores, and I have heard he isnt playing this season. We also dont mention John Jay too much, but even though they have a slow start, they still have talent, and will be a factor in the region. My sleeper team is going to be a surprise, but nobody is talking about Lehman College. Lehman is off to a 6-3 start, and they have just added a great bigman in D1 transfer Resnick. With Rhoden, and Garcia leading the way, and a legitimate post presence in Resnick, we might be talking about Lehman in the regional rankings. Lehman will host Paterson next week some time, dont be surprised if they come off with a win!
Weismuller is sitting out the year as has been reported on these boards.
As far as lehman i agree they are dangerous however Garcia has not been in the boxscores as of late so i donno about him.
Sorry that I havent been posting in a while. I was trying to contain myself from writing on this board when someone suggested that an incoming Freshman from St Edmunds was going to come in and be the greatest rebounder in CUNY history. I hadnt even had time to see a Hunter game this season except for homecoming. Nick Flagg looks legit and Franz Millen looks like one of the better big men in the conference. Hes averaging 16.4 and 8 boards a game. I understand that Hunter did not return Michael Dodd and Malcom Kelly. But hey, the two guards that Hunter has in the backcourt are pretty good. Joe Deluca is back and now you have 4 guys who on any given night can be the games top scorer. They look to have a little more depth then last season. Sorry, just wanted to give a little love to the Hawks because not one person mentioned them. I didnt know this was the Brooklyn College Message Board.
Caught the Brooklyn vs Stockton game yesterday. This game was close in the first half but RS kept pounding away and their athleticism took over in the second half. RS's make up is similar to Brooklyn's; they only have one guy above 6'4 and their 4 man knocks downs 3's with ease from 40 feet out. I was impressed with a few things from RS, their big men passed the ball extremely well on the interior. The ball was entered into the post and set up easy shots in their half court offense. They were also very athletic and crashed the boards from all positions, especially on the offensive glass. BC didn't have a great game but I think they could definetly hang with them on a better day. RS exposed some defensive weaknesses of BC and it showed. This might be treated as a wake up call for BC but not a great game to sit on during the 3 week lay off. I still think they have the talent to be considered one of the top dogs in the region, they had an off day and ran into a better team, not a good combination.
So with the break now, does anyone know of any second semester players coming in? You know somebody is going to pop up.
Another note, BC women's team beat Old Westbury on a 3 pointer with 4 seconds left. I'm not usually a fan of women's bball but this was one of the most exciting games I've seen in a while. Nice job for Coach Lang and the BC women's team.
I also saw the Stockton @ Brooklyn game. I pretty much agree with Danny's take. Stockton had much better athletes and a deeper bench and they simply wore Brooklyn down. The final score of 92-74 is misleading. The Osprey's led 88-57 with three minutes to go and the Bridges made a late run when Stockton played the end of their bench.
Stockton's the best team I've seen so far this season, and they appear to deserve the #23 ranking they currently have. As Danny mentioned, Jerome Hubbard routinely hits NBA threes, and many appeared to be in the 28-foot range. Also Stockton's Isham Poe threw down the best dunk I've seen this year.
Although Brooklyn came up short against a Top 25 foe, Baruch did not. The Bearcats won their sixth straight game, easily defeating #14 St. Mary's, MD 73-54. Didn't see this one, but it's certainly a big win for the CUNYAC.
Well another huge win for Baruch over the weekend. Look I'm not saying Baruch is in the top 5 in the region but they are in the top 10. And yes I do feel they are better than Brooklyn. Last years game was last year. Baruch body of work this year is much better than Brooklyn's. Other than these two teams who else looks like they can make a run? Funny everything in CUNY can change over the break if you know CUNY like I do I'm sure some teams will look different. Keep it up BEARCATS!!!
i agree with you that Baruch is on an impressive run right now, i disagree with you only giving them top 10 in the region. Right now they are in the top 5 imo. They have some RIDICULOUS wins. They beat No. 14 in the nation and they beat them handily. Baruch has to be the CUNY fave right now. Brooklyn behind them. SJC and Farmingdale int he SKyline and Stockon and WP in the NJAC. Thats my top 6, not trying to do 2 from each conference but thats how it worked out in no particular order.
In terms of the CUNY, dont sleep on City Tech. They added guys around what they already had. The new addition of James Abrams, who was a beast at Bedford Academy 2 years ago, attended St Johns for academics and has now decided to go to City is huge. He is a 6'6 lefty who can block shots. He also has a nice soft touch.
Yvon Dantes is a lightning quick guard who has traveled through a few programs and has decided to finish his senior year at City. He is a typical NYC guard. Very fast with a great handle and can get to the rim. City can open some eyes.
I noticed that in ya blog ya was talking about me, I have a lot to say about why I havent been playing. I will post a blog again later on, right now I'm taking some finals and stuff. Trust me you wanna read what I'ma write later on and it's gonna be the truth. I have nothing to lose..
Sincerely
#45 Jameson Garcia
P.S I always google my name to see what they be talking about, and I knew that people was going to talk about me not playing why I havent been playing or whatever. I promise I will answer those questions today at 1pm around there and give ya suprises about whats been going on... peace...
I think the team that can surprise everyone and win it all in the CUNY's is Hunter..... thats right the HAWKS.... the kid Millien is a double double every night and by the best big man in CUNY even though hes undersized.... their backcourt is solid with former Cardozo standout Nick Flagg and Kinaj..... and now that they have the multi-talented Joe DeLuca back they are really going to be a force in the conference.... the key to their success lies in the hands of the coaching staff over there and knowing how to use the talent they have......
i watch a couple cuny games, and i must say brooklyn is playing some good ball. will they win it all? i doubt it. baruch playing good too, they got a good win over the # 14 team, but they dont look like the team that will win it all. everybody is s;eeping on york, they suck rite now but i will bet on them to come out on top at the end of the season. these boys will be very experience come conference time, for the fact that they are playing tough teams. st john will lead his team to the top, i think they will be above 500 this season and they will win the cuny championship.
Baruch will end up winning. I still think they're MUCH weaker than they used to be but hey, Rankis is still IMO, the best coach in CUNY and possibly the region.
You can never underestimate York, because you never know who they may add at the midway point, the fact that they do play a tough schedule is also very good. Hunter is loaded! I remember the guard Flagg from his HS days, and yes, he is the real deal. I think Brooklyn will make a lot of noise in the regular season, but at the end of the day, it will probably be another first round upset, coaching has got to get better at both of these schools. I also like what Lehman is doing in the bronx, the new big guy they added is tough, and they have played despite all the drama I am seeing on this board! Baruch is good, but to call Rankis the best coach in the region is a very, very, very big overstatement. How many CUNY titles does he have?
So I keep hearing people talk about coaching and the success of the CUNY coaches. I believe people sometimes underestimate the difficulty of coaching at not only a D3 program but a CUNY D3 program. How can you expect the conference coaches to produce consistently winning programs without having leverage over their athletes?
Try selling a high school senior that your CUNY is better than another school within the tri state area... No dorms, no scholarships, no money and in some cases, an inadequate facility. And once the athletes come to the school, the coaches have nothing to hold over their heads. What, meal money? Early registration privledges?
I tip my cap to the CUNY/D3 coaches because most of them are good people and their coaching gigs are low paying full-time second or third jobs. The same issues we have or had as D3 players, the coaches can complain about the same problems.
Just wanted to throw it out there.
Rankis is an absolutely fantastic coach. He gets excellent players in and out of the school and unlike other CUNY & Skyline teams, builds most of his program from freshman to senior year. Other teams, especially in the CUNY, rely on transfers at the junior or senior year level to win. Rankis, of course, has had his fair share of transfers come on through but the fact is that he builds from the inside and uses his tranfers as a supplement, not as a main tool.
Rankis also has been coaching for A LONG TIME at the same school. That kind of commitment isn't found easily in today's game. Coaches switch schools like nothing and it's a very sad predicament if you ask me.
Quote from: d3hero on December 19, 2008, 01:57:54 PM
uses his tranfers as a supplement, not as a main tool.
Rankis also has been coaching for A LONG TIME at the same school. That kind of commitment isn't found easily in today's game. Coaches switch schools like nothing and it's a very sad predicament if you ask me.
I think your comments are some what ignorant and lack acknowledgment of other programs. I agree Rankis is a great coach but he is also at a very desirable school for academics. So saying that he graduates more 4 year players is a bit biased since the population of the school is more likely to come in as freshman with stronger academic motivation.
Who would have stronger graduation rates.... The head coach of Princeton or Syracuse?
I also don't agree with the CUNY coaches lacking commitment. I was a freshman in 1999, played 4 years (and graduated in 4 as well). So lets get a little historic about your coaching commitments comment.
So let's say 8 years is a commitment..
Podias @ Brooklyn
Petosa @ CSI
St. John @ York
Rankis @ Baruch
Stampfel @ CCNY
Schulman @ Lehman
Privitis @ Hunter was an assistant when I played... so let's throw him in also..
The other schools have young coaches..
So I think when 7 of 10 coaches have been there for this long... I don't think your statement really holds any weight.
ohhh and Burzo, Karis, Davidson, the younger Alesi, and im sure a few others were all "supplemental transfers"
great success
I also agree that Rankis is the best coach in the CUNY, yes he has his share of transfers but not nearly as many as other CUNY schools. He doesn't rely on mid-season pick ups like other schools. Rankis does a great job of not only developing players on the court but also off the court as well. Compared to most CUNY schools he barely loses kids to grades. He also coaches with class, he treats his players and staff with respect. With Rankis its not about losing and winning. But for the record I believe he has the most wins out of all the CUNY schools and yes he has been around the longest and thats says a lot. Baruch academis standards are higher than any other CUNY school and thats makes it that much harder to recruit there but yet he still get good players year in and year out.
StJoe's Brooklyn blows out Medgar at the Izod Center...any reason why Medgar just CANT get it going every year? Good win for the Bears.
The last time Medgar was good was about seven or eight years ago when Holford was the coach. I think they were good for one or maybe two years. This school lacks continuity with players and coaches. It certainly doesn't help when top players like Darryl Munroe and Jon Greene transfer out.
noone brought this up and im a little late, but city tech beat ramapo (usually a powerhouse in the region.) Is the NJAC down or the CUNY up? i guess when lehman plays WPU, that'll clear things up. Medgar Evers is a mess. Getting blown out like that is just unacceptable. they will have one win on the year (and that'll be to the region' s perennial confidence booster-Pratt Institute.)
Jwill,
excellent quote about Coach Rankis. Everything you said was absolutely correct. He's the best coach in CUNY and prob. in the region for D3
Baruch followers:
Seeing as you're scheduled to play WLC (Northern Athletics Conference) on 1/02/09, thought I'd provide some info on that squad's season so far:
http://wlcsports.athleticsite.com/stats/mbb08-09/teamstat.html
lehman loses on a last second shot against William Paterson today. I believe this is more proof that these CUNY teams should be considered when talking about top in the region.
I can say personally that Lehman college has a great team this season. im a member of the team in my fourth year playing for Coach Schulman. My freshman year playing with Sekani Franci, Willy Vargas and Kyle Lockett was the strongest team i played on in terms of talent and size, but this years team has more togetherness than the other squad. I think we demonstrated that just being able to play together will give us an opportunity to win games.
the game against William Patterson was proof of that. I think everybody felt we had no chance to win but we were able to fight against those odds. William Patterson is a great program, they have a great head coach and staff, and also great players. For Lehman, a city program, to have battled with this team down to the last second shows that we are serious contenders in the cuny conference and maybe in the atlantic region.
ok lets be realistic now...leman college winning the cuny chip? got to be out of your mind to think that..yes leman is in the top 5 in cuny, but they dont have what it takes to win the cuny championship. they will not beat brooklyn,baruch,city, or york. take my words, they will not beat any of these teams come playoffs time.
I have to agree with D-ro, lehman has by far the best talent in cuny right now.. if you compare the cuny teams player by player lehman is very deep. 10 players deep in the rotation, they even got a better team than brooklyn on paper, but its on the court that will prove it.. don't be surprise if lehman gets on another wining streak and takes cuny..
I was wondering if anyone has seen any of the freshman this year and if you have, how do see you believe they will impact CUNYAC in future years....
I been told that there is a few freshman that are impacting right away.....
Jordan Young at CSI
James Abrams at City Tech
Jonathan DeJesus at Lehman
Chris Beauchamp at Baruch
Vincent Roberts at CCNY
Keith Thorton at York
In response to bks-best, you cant seriously believe what you said.... we all seen brooklyn lose in the first round last year and we all seen john jay take the chip with a losing record, so to say lehman wont be able to beat any of those teams you named, only time will tell....this conference is very unpredictable and records really dont matter when it comes to some games
I can't really say what Lehman will do but it takes more than just talent to win a championship. They are a lot of other factors, time will though. Baruch went 1-1 in a tought tournmant down in Daytona. They're non-confernce schedule will really help them come conference play I think.
But knowing CUNY its know telling what team will have what player this half of the season.
Oh yeah for the record Baruch beat Lehman that year with Vargas, Lockett, and Franci in the semi to go to the championship that year.
i personally have to say the CUNY looks wide open to me this year. Bklyn was obviously preseason favorites, Baruch has been tearing it up this season and HAS to be in the mix. Lehman as Duane said is tough, City Tech has beefed up and is doing well, Hunter is in the mix, I mean you cant count out too m any of the CUNYS you know>?
The scariest part of it all is that John Jay was in a similar situation at this point last year, but then had that big run and won the title. The CUNYAC is wide open, especially with the deep playoff format is currently has, many of the other conferences only advance six teams or in some sports four teams to the playoffs. So the eight team deep format leaves the door open for a John Jay type of team to steal the show.
I think this will be a big week, the ever popular Baruch/Hunter match-up and Brooklyn/City Tech on Wednesday and then Lehman/Hunter on Friday at Lexington. That's all the unbeaten squads going at this week, I think we will have a better picture of who's where come Monday....at least in terms of seeding as I stated above, its anyone's title this year.
when baruch beat lehman that year with francis, vargas and lockett....baruch had a very good squad with Fedika, Karros, Roberts, and embengo (is it)... that team was no joke.
Another win for Baruch a blow out win over Hunter College.
I saw Baruch dominate Hunter last night. The Hawks were never in the game. Baruch got out to a big lead and Hunter was unable to mount any kind of comeback. Hilaire, Farid and Kunkel all played well for Baruch. Millien was the lone bright spot for Hunter. Baruch played like a team, while Hunter played like a bunch of individuals.
I was there as well, the absence of Hunter's head coach could not have helped the team any. After speaking with one of the fans in the crowd, the head coach was with his wife who was in labor. The Bearcats just dominated from the start, the Hawks really looked like a team without any guidance whatsoever, by far the worst game I've seen them play all season, I was at the two NJAC games vs. William Paterson and Rutgers-Newark.
The last time those two teams played, it was the quarterfinal game last season where Hunter put a similar beating on Baruch, so I'm sure the were fired up for the rematch where as Hunter's team is virtually all new and probably didn't even know of that game last season.
While on the topic of dominant performances, how about Brooklyn thoroughly dominating City Tech? I was not at the game, but looking at the box score Brooklyn seemingly dismantled Tech 92-62, with a balanced effort from their entire team.
knight_life: The absence of Plevritis certainly didn't help, but I don't know how much of a difference he would have made. Hunter lacked any kind of cohesion and direction. Also, DeLuca has to stay out of foul trouble. He had the same problem last year, as did Millien. Plus, Flagg has a lot of athletic ability and talent, but he was forcing the issue yesterday and was not very productive.
BubbaChuck3: Sounds like Brooklyn was firing on all cylinders. I was expecting a far closer contest. In addition, I'm looking forward to seeing Lehman play.
For those of you who haven't read it yet, please check out the Daily Dose blog on the front page of this site. It has an entry by Mike Dietz, a senior forward for Baruch. It is well-written and informative, and it's the second entry that he's written this season.
Two big wins for Baruch and Lehman tonight
Baruch beat John Jay easily and Lehman beat Hunter easily.....looks like its going to be between Lehman and Baruch this year for the North Division
The north division is going to be up for grabs between lehman and baruch.. I think is gonna come down to the coaches and their game plans.. plus baruch college does have a stronger schedule than lehman.. so lets see what happens...
I watched Brooklyn beat John Jay, 98-76, last night. Brooklyn led all the way, much of the time by more than 20 points. John Jay made a couple of runs and did manage to close the deficit to six points in the second half before the Bridges pulled away.
John Jay had quite a few stretches where they were horrible. They did not take good care of the ball and had no rhythm on offense for most of the first half. Brooklyn looked very good for much of this contest, but did not rebound well.
Hemingway, Nesbitt and Baptiste led the way for Brooklyn. Jaeger and Smallwood were the two top performers for John Jay.
Mason and Mascall sat on the bench in street clothes for John Jay. Mason was listed in the program and Mascall was not. (I don't know if that means that Mascall is ineligible or not.)
I hope the best for Brooklyn this season, Podias has a team with class, unlike the ghetto trash Lehman puts on the floor. I've never seen so many immature college students, acting up on the bench, talking trash at the end of the game when shaking the opposing team's hands. That is the sort of behavior that prevents CUNY teams from getting any respect and it was just sad. They need to go watch how real team's act, no matter what the score is. Brooklyn looks good this year, but they have a really really weak schedule outside of the conference. Baruch is probably the favorite to win it this year, but don't count out the chance of another dark horse team to pull a john jay.
What game did the Lehman players do that?
I have seen them play and they showed class and shook hands with the opposing team when i saw them play Hunter and John Jay
I saw Brooklyn beat Hunter on Friday night. The Bridges led all the way, but Hunter cut the lead to two in the second half before Brooklyn went on a 23-0 run to break it open. Baptiste, John and Hemingway all played well for Brooklyn. Hunter was simply overmatched and they don't look like they're moving in the right direction. It also looks like DeLuca is no longer on the team.
Big game for Baruch tonight as they host #25 William Paterson. The Bearcats will be looking for their second win over a Top 25 team this season. Earlier in the year they beat then #14 ranked St. Mary's, MD.
Tough lost for Baruch on Yesterday against a very good Williams Paterson team but big win for Baruch on Friday night against Lehman. I think Baruch tough non-conference schedule is really helping them in the conference. Big game friday against Brooklyn. I think Baruch is the team to beat this year in the conference.
I saw the William Paterson vs. Baruch game last night. As JWill noted it was a tough loss for the Bearcats. Baruch led 35-22 at the break, but were outscored by 18 points in the second half and lost 70-65. Paterson's press was clearly more effective in the second half and that allowed them to pick up the win.
Paul, Nelson and Fowler all played well for Paterson. Hilaire, Kunkel and Farid led the way for Baruch. Steven Bader, Baruch's starting center, did not play due to an ankle injury.
This was the second time I saw WPU this year and they looked better than they did against Hunter. As usual for Paterson, they employ a lot of defensive pressure and play a lot of people. They have no standout player, but they have good balance and pretty good depth. Plus good coaching and motivation by Rebimbas.
I am terribly upset that I won't be able to attend the big showdown between Brooklyn and Baruch at Baruch this Friday.. Is there any chance the game will be on tv?
It would have been nice to include Lehman in the poll, no?
Caught the Brooklyn/Baruch game. Great game. Very exciting. Baruch won by one.
Both teams shot pretty well and used their strengths. Both teams were also down at least 7 points at different stretches of the game. Baruch had the edge down low while Brooklyn let Baptiste take over. I didn't see anyone who was able to stop him. He basically took over in the second half and led Brooklyn back from being down around 10.
Kunkel played well and Farid shot well also. Cudjoe played well in the second half and helped out defending down low, 4 key blocks down the stretch against their bigs.
Tough loss for Brooklyn as a Baruch player took a 3 with a second left. He was blocked by the first player then apparently after the shot, he was fouled, on the way down???.
They gave him two shots, he hit the first and the game was over since their was .3 seconds left. Terrible way to end a great game. About 600 people there for an exciting game and it ends like that. Pretty weak but it was everything you would expect from two undefeated teams.
Anyone else see what happened?
I still can't tell you who would be the favorite in a rematch. Probabaly a pick'em game if I had to handicap it.
What up Deluxe? I saw Nesbitt only played 16 minutes did he get injured? Hope all is well.
I don't think so, I think some of the other guys were playing well off the bench and coached rolled with them.
The freshman guard Amil John who was hurt in the beginning of the season is also a big addition. He's a freshman who is probably one of their best defenders, very quick and fits nicely into their offense.
Baruch is obviously now clearly the team to beat in the CUNY. Brooklyn is right there too...thats a game i wish i could have seen sounds like it lived up to the hype with 2 of the top teams around going head to head.
I would like to see more CUNY and Atlantic teams in general play toiugher out of state opponents because I think that is where rthe Atlantic lacks in terms of exposure and national recognition. I know funding is an issue but look at Baruch's win over a top 25 team this year...that had to open alot of eyes.
i agree..it would've been interestin to see if baruch received any top 25 votes had they pulled off the win over WPU.
I also saw the Brooklyn @ Baruch game. It was a very exciting game that lived up to its billing. The two teams are very evenly matched and the game could have gone either way. There were more than a few questionable calls by the refs in this one and they did have an impact on the outcome.
Baruch has the edge regarding the big men. Kunkel and Bader are clearly better than what the Bridges have to offer. Both of these guys can score down low and they also enabled the Bearcats to control the glass. Baruch may also have a slight edge in the backcourt (although that's debatable). Brooklyn does have Baptiste and that sure as hell goes a long way. He's a legit All-American and definitely the best player in the conference. He can simply take over a game and--in many instances--carry his team to victory.
I'm still waiting to see who is going to be the darkhorse this season, not that what happened last year will happen every year, but just have a feeling there's going to be a surprise team popping up in the semi's this year.
Quote from: knight_life on January 29, 2009, 02:46:22 PM
I'm still waiting to see who is going to be the darkhorse this season, not that what happened last year will happen every year, but just have a feeling there's going to be a surprise team popping up in the semi's this year.
i think Lehman and City are teams to watch out for.
I just saw City Tech beat Hunter, 69-66. The Yellow Jackets led by 18 midway through the second half, but Hunter came storming back and almost pulled it out. With about five minutes to play City Tech began to kill the clock and didn't even look to score. This tactic backfired on them and it allowed Hunter to get right back in the game. The Hawks' pressure defense was effective and Kinaj repeatedly drove the lane at will. In addition, Cole provided a big spark off the bench.
Once again, Hall and Phillip led the way for City Tech and Perez demonstrated a nice outside shooting touch.
Baruch got another big win yesterday and are #4 in the Regional Rankings. Let's go Bearcats!
How is beating CCNY a big win? CCNY is horrible this year!
knight_life - JWill was most likely just referring to the fact that Baruch beat CCNY by 29 with 10 players getting double digit minutes and 13 players scoring. Regardless of the competition, that's a big win if for no other reason than it keeps them undefeated in conference and on pace for a 20 win season, while playing a good non-conference schedule.
Looking back at your old posts its pretty obvious that you have an axe to grind with Baruch. Envy is a tricky emotion. ;)
Who cares if 10 people played double digit minutes and 13 people scored? Might be the most meaningless stat i've heard on this message board...
I watched Baruch crush CSI 84-56 last night. The Dolphins were competitive for half the game. They led by as many as 11 points in the opening stanza and trailed by only two at the break. However, Baruch came out focused and determined to open the second half and blew the game wide open. The Dolphins could not defend Kunkel and Bader dominated the boards allowing the Bearcats to run away with this one.
This is the weakest CSI team in recent memory. They simply don't have the talent level--or the experience--to compete with good teams.
I checked the box scores and seen CCNY finally got their first win over John Jay...tough lost for john jay.. but they been having an up and down year
Also Lehman beat Hunter today.....I dont know what happen to Hunter this year
It's been an intersting year in CUNY. There have been no major upsets, which is certainly not the norm. Baruch is undefeated. Brooklyn's only loss has been to Baruch. Lehman's two losses have been to Brooklyn and Baruch. Thus the top three teams are 27-0 against the seven other teams in the conference. Also two of York's three losses have been to Brooklyn and Baruch with their third loss coming to City Tech. That means that the top four teams are 35-1 versus the six other teams. The domination of the top four teams against the rest of the conference is pretty amazing.
You are right the Baruch win over CCNY is not impressive but the fact that Baruch is unbeaten in the conference is hugh. I think the are by far the team to beat in the tournment.
Baruch beat Brooklyn by 1 point. It was a tie game til under 1 second left in regulation. The game would have gone to overtime had Baruch not received what I am to understand was a "house call" from the officials.
I am not sure that victory makes Baruch the clear cut favorite to win the tournament.
Possible Semi-Final Previews tonight and tomorrow in the CUNYAC
Lehman @ Baruch
and
York @ Brooklyn
Should be interesting to see how these game turn out all four teams are playing good basketball...
Does anyone have a 1st round upset prediction?
I'm think NYC tech or Hunter probably have the best chance to upset. I can't see BC or Baruch losing their first round game.
I also don't think their is a dark horse like last year who will come out of the bottom seeds to win the tourney, possibly NYC tech but they had a winning record in the conference so i don't know how much of surprise they would be.
Player of the Year: I think has to be Baptiste. I don't know if Baruch has one stand-out player who could be named POY.
Rookie of the Year: I guess you could put Amil John, Jordan Young, James Abrams in the mix.
Coach of the Year: Also i don't know if their is a clear cut winner. Of course it would be one of the top 4 teams coach. I would probably give it to Rankis or Podias.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
Rankis should be a lock for coach of the year simply because Baruch finished the regular season undefeated. I don't remember that ever happening before. Even when Hunter went to the Elite Eight in '98 they lost one game to York in the regular season.
Baptiste should win player of year with Ensonwune, Hall, Kunkel and Phillip not too far behind.
As far as Baruch goes, they are the team to beat. Kunkel is all-conference, Bader can be dominating, Farid is solid and Hilaire is much improved over last year. Plus the Bearcats have the best chemistry and a good mix of veterans and younger players.
I don't know if Brooklyn is stumbling a bit, but the Bridges needed OT to knock off CSI and then lost their last game to York. The Cardinals have won eight in a row, including wins over Lehman and Brooklyn.
Once again, the top four teams have lost only one game the entire year to the other six teams, so a first-round upset does not appear likely this year.
I agree with Rhodes, Rankis is coach of the year and Bastiste will be POY, but this being said I saw the Brooklyn vs York game yesterday and Ensonwune is extremely impressive he is like the D3 version of Tabeet (the 7'3 Center) on UConn. He dominated the paint and is the best finisher/ dunker in the country. No one dunks the ball like this kid he had about 4 alley opps that rock the rim and dunk off the rebound on the whole Brooklyn team. If i had a Vote for POY i would give it to him because he i dominates on both sides of the floor. Thats just my opinion, Baptiste is a great player as well and I have no problem with him winning the award...
Brooklyn looked disintrested at times yesterday especially Bastiste ( he still had 20) but i was waiting for him to take over the game at the end and lead Brooklyn to the win like i have seen him do before but it never happened. They locked up the 2nd seed and the game was just for bragging rights had no effect on the standings so i wouldnt be too concerned. The rematch will be very exciting( Brooklyn #2 and York #3).
im not sure if the kid Amil from Brooklyn will win rookie of the year because the kid from Lehman who they have starting has been putting up a pretty good year compared to Amil John and Jordan Young
but for player of the year really would like to see Jamaal Hall win for the fact he leads the CUNY in PPG and Assist and he is also third in steals but then again Marcel from Yorkis third in scoring but leads in blocks and rebounds per game.....its going to be tough to pick player or the year
danny lehmen/city should come down to the wire, i think they are evenly match and i wouldnt consider it an upset if city comes out on top....york/hunter i dont knw why you would think that hunter stand a chance in this 1....york is playing at a high level rite now. they won 8 straight all their players from the starters to the guys that dnt play,walk with a swagg...and dnt forget they have a chip on their shoulder from last year lost to john jay.....
i agree with you guys.. i said i didn't think City winning would be considered an upset. Just a lower seed winning.
And I agree with you, York is running on all cylinders and I think they should run over Hunter... and hopefully play Brooklyn, which would be a great semi if it happens.
If anyone has some clarification with the strength of schedules, please elaborate because,
I was looking at the strength of schedules of some of the CUNY's. They probably have the lowest in the nation as a conference. But Baruch has like a 340 and Brooklyn is a 360 something. Now I think CCNY has a 214 which is probably the highest and I don't their schedule is so much tougher than say a Baruch.
So does CCNY get credit for a higher strength of schedule because teams like Brooklyn, Baruch, York are better than them in the same conference? And the better teams in the conference are almost penalized for having not so great teams in their conference?
Maybe that's just how it works and I'm trying to over analyze it?
But it looks like it almost doesn't matter how tough your non-conference schedule is if you play in a weak conference since they use opponents win % and OOW%.
My next question is... Does anyone think Baruch gets a bid to the tourney if they don't win the CUNY championship? I know it happened a few years ago when they were regional ranked similar to where they are now.
Looking at this year schedules I would think Baruch had the tougher schedules from CUNY. I also think that if Baruch was to lose in the championship game that they would still get a bid because of strength of schedule along with the non-conference wins.
Ray Rankis should be hands down coach of the year he was the coach of the best team this year.
Anyone has the match ups for the tournment? Any predictions for the championship game?
that's my point.. According to D3hoops, Baruch's strength of schedule is 340, which is pretty bad, unless the committee looks more at their non-conference schedule separately?
And i would like to see a Baruch/Brooklyn championship, although York has been heating up.
CCNY certainly benefits from not having to play CCNY once or twice. CCNY also played William Paterson and Williams, as well as a handful of above-.500 teams in mid-level and higher conferences (Merchant Marine, RPI, Rutgers-Newark).
Remember, also, that this only counts regional games, like the NCAA does.
CUNYAC Quarterfinal Matchups
#8 CSI (3-10) @ #1 Baruch (13-0)
Staten Island's three wins were against Medgar Evers (twice) and CCNY. Baruch won the regular season meeting 84-56 at Baruch. Needless to say the Bearcats are a huge favorite.
#7 John Jay (4-9) @ #2 Brooklyn (11-2)
The Bridges won the regular season contest 98-76 at John Jay. Last year Brooklyn was upset in the first round by City Tech, while John Jay was the cinderella team winning the conference tourney as the #7 seed. It doesn't look history will repeat itself, but then again you never know.
#6 Hunter (6-7) @ #3 York (10-3)
Hunter has won one tournament game in the last ten years. York has an eight-game winning streak. The Cardinals won the regular season game 75-73 at York.
#5 City Tech (7-6) @ #4 Lehman (9-4)
This looks like the only game where the lower seed has a decent shot at winning. Lehman won the regular season contest 66-57 in the Bronx. The Yellow Jackets feature two first-team All-CUNYAC performers in Hall and Phillip while Lehman has Rhoden and Redzic.
So the CUNY championship actually has the two top seeds.
I think this is a great match up.
Congrats to both Baruch and Brooklyn for getting into the finals. I wasn't at the games but the Baptiste seemed to have a great game, lead the way, and put an end to York's hot streak. Kudos to coach P who gets to his first championship game.
The Lehman and Baruch game seemed to go down to the wire as well. Anyone at these games?
Friday's match up should be a great game if it's a repeat of their regular season match-up.
I think Baruch would probabaly be favored by a point or two.
Predictions?
I'll take Brooklyn winning the championship behind 30 plus points from Baptiste.
Yes congrats to Coach Podias, great man who deserves to be in the championship finally. Keep up the good work and good luck.
Off the topic this is a great article that was in the paper recently about CSI. Just wondering do other schools in CUNY face most of these problems?
The first time the College of Staten Island played CUNY Conference kingpin Baruch, things went well for the first 13 minutes.
Then the floodgates opened, and a 24-13 first-half lead evaporated under a 71-32 Baruch blitz over the final 27 minutes as the Bearcats cruised to a 84-56 rout.
"Once they got going, they were like a sprinter," said CSI coach Tony Petosa. "They just raced past us. They have five guys who can put the ball in the basket."
Welcome to the Dolphins' world, which surely appears upside-down to long-time observers these days.
Devoid of the talent that propelled CSI to 11 conference championships, the once-proud NCAA Division III program slipped to 6-18 overall -- the worst showing in the 30-year history as a four-year school.
Petosa points to stringent new academic standards that seriously endanger freshman eligibility for incoming candidates; the fact that, despite past official proclamations, there are no immediate plans to construct dormitories at the Willowbrook campus; and the traditionally tough sell to Staten Island high schoolers who have options of playing at out-of-town colleges with on-campus housing.
"We have a tough time getting kids into the building," said Petosa, a familiar refrain around the Sports and Recreation Center athletic offices.
CONSTANT FLUX
CSI has also had a tough time keeping athletic directors -- there have been seven since 1996 and there's a current search while interim AD Dave Pizzuto runs the department.
While the Dolphins continue their downward slide -- they are 64-68 over the past five seasons and haven't won the CUNY tourney in seven years -- programs at Baruch and Brooklyn College appear to be improving.
"Take a look at Baruch (since the ARC Arena at the school's new campus was opened prior to the 2002-03 season)," said Petosa. "They have the most successful athletic program in the conference. They increased funding and made athletics an obvious priority. You can feel the electricity when you walk into the building.
"And the proof is in the pudding."
The top-seeded Bearcats take a perfect 13-0 record into Sunday's 1 p.m. CUNY quarterfinal against eighth-seeded CSI, which owns a 3-10 conference mark.
A recent Advance sports column indicated that CSI's administration is eager to support a national-class athletics program. Petosa could well argue that a decade ago he had such a program -- one that qualified for the NCAA Division III men's basketball tournament three times between 1996 and 2002.
In recent years, the Dolphins have watched a handful of key players quit during the course of a season.
FREQUENT DEFECTIONS
Two players who had earned CUNY All-Star status actually transferred to rival conference schools and competed against their former teammates.
A decade ago, such defections were unheard of.
"The word we use all the time is continuity ... and we don't have it anymore," said Petosa. "I'm working hard to get it, but it's difficult to do in the present environment.
"We've taken a step back."
Petosa points out that he predicted five years ago that CSI's athletic programs were headed downward because of new academic standards. To be accepted into the school's baccalaureate program, an incoming freshman must carry approximately an 80 core average from high school and score 900 in the SATs.
If prospective students are accepted into the two-year associate program (a prelude to the baccalaureate program) but fall short of those standards, they must sit out at least one semester while building their academic credentials.
"We have to tell kids when we're recruiting them that they might not be eligible right away," said Petosa. "That's not the best way to convince kids who might be interested that they should play basketball at CSI."
Complicating matters, CSI's athletic teams are affected by three governing bodies: the NCAA, the CUNY and CSI itself.
"The situation (of athletic eligibility) was caused by interpretation of NCAA rules," said Petosa. "Sometimes, I think our set of rules interpretation are more stringent than the other two (NCAA and CUNY)."
As for the proposed on-campus dormitories, construction has been pushed back indefinitely. The building project orginally was scheduled to be completed in 2009, then the school announced that the dorms would open in 2010.
TOUGH MATCHUP
Despite a whopping 42-14 lead in the all-time series against Baruch, the Dolphins have dropped six of the last eight meetings.
It will be uncharted territory for CSI, which has never entered the postseason tourney as the No. 8 seed. Then again, an upset would be of gigantic proportions. And last year, third-seeded CSI was knocked off at home in the first round by eventual CUNY champion John Jay, seeded sixth.
"We didn't do ourselves any favors by finishing eighth," insisted Petosa of Sunday's matchup. "They manhandled us the first time we played. We played much better against (No. 2) Brooklyn (a 80-77 overtime loss) and (No. 3) York (a 66-63 loss)."
Petosa is winding down his 19th season at the coaching helm -- following a record-setting playing career and short apprenticeship as an assistant coach at his alma mater.
He says the challenge has never been greater.
"I take losing very hard ... very personal," said Petosa, who has a 295-219 career record and three CUNY crowns. "I've put all I have into this program, and so have my assistants over the years. My reputation at one time was pretty solid, but the bottom line is that people look at wins and losses, nothing else.
"We were successful in the past with 'program kids,' student-athletes who signed up for four years and stuck with it. We're getting fewer of those kids now."
Baruch also has very high academic standards, higher than CSI and seem to be doing pretty well. Both Men and Womans team going for the CUNYAC Championship and neither have lost a CUNY game all season.
CSI has a very nice gym and athletic complex, one of the nicest in the conference. I think Coach Petosa might want to look in the mirror when trying to figure out whats gone wrong with the program instead of looking for excuses.
Queens do know exactly what the academic standards are at Baruch? For example what does a incoming freshman have to have in order to be elgible?
Not sure exactly what it is but its definatley higher than CSI...ill put money on that fact...Baruch is one of the best business schools in the country. Sorry i cant say what the exact standards are i just know its an elite school and academically is the best school in CUNY....
First, congrats to Brooklyn College. Great job and I guess i'll have wait to watch the game on TV. Looks like Baptiste took over in the second half. I hope the first round is close by and they have a chance to make some noise in the national tourney.
Secondly, about the article. I know CSI as a school has recently raised their academic standards. I believe they are now raising the bar of getting into the school. I think their admission standards are now around a Baruch or Brooklyn. As you know we always had problems at Brooklyn college with either getting recruits into the school or keeping players eligible during the year.
That being said, the 2 CUNY all stars didn't leave because of academic trouble and this years point guards, Yocum and even Amenerious didn't quit cause of academic trouble. Although the tough standards are probably evident when producing a competitive team, I believe the argument in the article is a little convoluted. Complaining about tough recruiting is hard to believe especially when this years CUNY Rookie of the Year, Jordan Young is from your team.
I watched the game last night and Brooklyn was pretty impressive. Despite having little tournament experience, they played with a great deal of poise. Surprisingly, the Bridges were more relaxed than Baruch. The Bearcats came out tight and never really got on track in the first half, although they only trailed by six at the half. Baruch played very well---especially Farid--for the first half of the closing stanza, but completely wilted down the stretch. With 9:19 remaining in regulation, the Bearcats led 61-58 but were outscored 31-8 the rest of the way.
I think these two teams are pretty evenly matched, but Brooklyn was far better prepared for the game and won it going away. Podias and his staff did a good coaching job and utilized their bench very well throughout the game. Baptist, Cudjoe and Nisbett all played well for Brooklyn. In addition, Hemingway hit some big shots to help break the game open in the second half.
That championship game was very exciting. Although it seemed Brooklyn wanted it more, Baruch did try to keep the game close going down the stretch. Brooklyn was well prepared, after watching Lehman take Baruch into overtime in the semifinals, their coach probably had a game plan cooked up. This years tournament was great to watch and great to be a part of. The top 4 teams in the conference were able to advance to the semi's and make the tournament enjoyable. Congrats to Brooklyn and the best of luck in the NCAA tournament.
Brooklyn and Baruch both in the NCAA tournament...WOW
I am invading foreign territory here to offer congratulations to Brooklyn for making the NCAA tourney this year for the first time since 1982. I was among the Wabash College faithful that was enlisted by a Brooklyn student to cheer for your team during the consolation game of the 1982 Final Four. Your student asked our crowd for support due to your fan representation being few in numbers. Our pep band also got into the act by by playing "New York, New York" during one of the timeouts. The chants of "Brooklyn!, Brooklyn!" from our crowd during the game was acknowledged by your team as they left the court after winning the consolation game. Rumor has it your team then contributed some typical championship refreshments to our team after winning the National Championship game.
I am aware that most, if not all, of you would not even know of this but this oldtimer wanted to take the time to recall a fantastic weekend for fans of two schools and wish good luck to the current Brooklyn basketball team.
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
I think Brooklyn and Baruch both have a chance to make a name for themselves in the NCAA's...Brooklyns pressure defense and having Baptiste will give them a great chance to beat St Lawrence. Baruch already beat one ranked team by 20 so they obviously can play with that level of competition, they play #18 U-Mass Dartmouth. Its great for the conference to have two teams representing it because CUNY is always looked down upon nationally. So if both teams can pull out wins it will really show everyone that the CUNY conference is not as bad as they all think...
Who woulda thought that the Skyline and CUNY conferences both get two teams in and NJAC only one. :P
Quote from: Queens on March 03, 2009, 10:30:34 PM
I think Brooklyn and Baruch both have a chance to make a name for themselves in the NCAA's...Brooklyns pressure defense and having Baptiste will give them a great chance to beat St Lawrence. Baruch already beat one ranked team by 20 so they obviously can play with that level of competition, they play #18 U-Mass Dartmouth. Its great for the conference to have two teams representing it because CUNY is always looked down upon nationally. So if both teams can pull out wins it will really show everyone that the CUNY conference is not as bad as they all think...
Who woulda thought that the Skyline and CUNY conferences both get two teams in and NJAC only one. :P
Queens,
I have no problem with St. Joseph's they won their tournament and Farmingdale with the Pool "C". I was surprised with Baruch. There were a lot of (5) loss teams that didn't make it. St. Mary's (MD) for a start. How do you spell strength of schedule? I'll take MSU any time against Baruch, but what do I know, I'm a MSU fan. I think they will get wacked by U-Mass Dartmouth. I will do my Miacopa if they don't. The NCAA really is a country club on many levels. I hope Montclair runs the table big time in the ECAC'S and let's see where they stand in the final D3 Poll. If they do they should be in the top (35). Await your thoughts. :D
Rams - your post was a little confusing... Baruch beat St. Mary's by 19 when they played head to head in the regular season and held them to 53 points or so but your post makes it sound as if St. Mary's deserved a bid over Baruch. Baruch actually plays a decent out of conference schedule, its their in conference schedule that kills their "strength of schedule" rank (CCNY, Medgar Evers...etc).
I agree with wendelladner Baruch out of conference schedule I feel is the best in CUNY. Rams sounds more like a hater than a true basketball fan. Baruch has beat some very good teams and played other good teams very close throughout the season. Its no doubt they should be in the tournment
congrats to lehman college on making it to the ECAC championship....who would of thought they would be last CUNY team standing.....and they beat a good team in Montclair state
It's nice to see two teams from the region advance to the Sweet 16.
I watched the second half of the Brooklyn game and it was back and forth until about 8 minutes left and St. Lawence went on a run. It look liked they pounded the ball inside. BC missed some open shots and that was all SL needed. Looked like a tough environment up there with a packed gym.
I think the St. Lawerence/Stockton match up should be a great game. I think Stockton should take them though.
Has anyone seen Bridgewater play?> Predictions against Farmingdale?
Also... it looks like the Atlantic region has put up a good showing in the tournament. No one was blown out and overall we are 4-3 in tournament play.
Pat or Rhodes... at some point. Can we see the regional records of tourney teams?
Danny: The final published regional rankings, which include games up to Feb. 22, can be found via the Regional rankings link on the right side of the front page of this site.
Congrats to the Lehman team on winning their first ever ECAC championship as well as the CSI girls for winning
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 08, 2009, 12:38:32 PM
Danny: The final published regional rankings, which include games up to Feb. 22, can be found via the Regional rankings link on the right side of the front page of this site.
Sorry Rhodes, I meant the tournament records broken out by region of teams in the NCAA. (ex, Atlantic Region is 4-3 in the tourney)
And the posted regional ranking were from Feb 22nd.
Do they update them again? Maybe Brooklyn would be ranked higher than Baruch since they beat them in the championship?
Also congrats to Lehman. A 4th place CUNY team taking the ECAC. Not bad, not bad.
Danny: The regional rankings are updated after Feb. 22, but they aren't made available to the public.
Here are the 2009 regular season records for the CUNYAC vs.
NJAC....7-26
Skyline....11-9
does anyone know who will be playing in the tournament of heroes @ CSI this year?
Does anyone know where Jackson from John Jay has gone? It no longer has him listed as the coach there.
yeah he was relieved of his duties about 2 weeks ago!
Any idea why?
i heard why but i would not put that mans business on the street like that.. but its unfortunate cause he really was a good coach when given the talent as we witnessed a couple of years ago, when they stunned cuny and took the chip.. and he did it with the same player that he started with. he never gave up on them even though people were telling him to get more talent he always said he was happy with what he had!.. he knew how to get the best out of everyone and the most important time!
This board has been dead for some time now. I think with the season fast approaching, we should get this board up and running again.
Who are the favorites in the CUNY this year?
What teams may be surprise teams in the conference?
Who has some impact players coming in this year?
The board has been dead, I guess there haven't been many rumors circling around the cuny world yet. All I know is Brooklyn is ranked to start the season, so they must be the favorite to repeat at the moment. Hopefully the board will pick up in another week or two.
Brooklyn ranked tenth is huge!
I cant say that i expected such a ranking, but with the whole team back, and who knows what additions they made, they hae to be the cuny fave.
Anyone know if they have any big additions?
Quote from: BklynBasketball on November 01, 2009, 01:17:02 PM
Brooklyn ranked tenth is huge!
I cant say that i expected such a ranking, but with the whole team back, and who knows what additions they made, they hae to be the cuny fave.
Anyone know if they have any big additions?
Ranked 10th by what poll?
Quote from: Knightstalker on November 02, 2009, 03:43:23 PM
Ranked 10th by what poll?
I believe it's Street & Smith's, and I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll. Brooklyn should be good but unless they have a major infusion of talent there's no way they should be #10.
I agree the true poll is d3hoops and Brooklyn is not in the top 25, I don't even think in the top 40. They do have a true all-american but the rest of the talent is so, so from last year.
I stand corrected. According to Brooklyn's website the #10 ranking is from The Sporting News not Street & Smith's.
I just noticed that Hunter's roster is up. Courtien and Wnukowski return from last year's team. Plus the Hawks picked up Rocco Rubino, a D1 transfer from St. Francis (NY) and Eric Klingsberg, a freshman from Holy Cross (Queens). I saw both of them play in high school. Rubino is a shooting guard who, if healthy and in shape, should be one of the better players in the conference. Klingsberg is also a shooting guard and should contribute immediately. He has the potential to put up very good numbers if he sticks around.
Brooklyn posted its roster yesterday. Looks like everyone from last year's team who had eligibility left returned (except Weismuller). Matsakov (Lincoln/KCC) appears to be the top newcomer. It looks like Brooklyn and Baruch are the teams to beat once again.
Could Staten Island and the two-year schools please post their rosters - yikes!
Could John Jay and City Tech please post their rosters ?
Congrats to Baruch for knocking off a ranked in region team! Hats off to Stockton always a strong team, but Baruch needs to get some love the knocked off some big teams last yr. and start the year in the same fashion
Well, Baruch is 2-2 with wins over teams from the region that went far in the NCAAs last year. They also beat Farmingdale tonight after Stockton...congrats coach Rankis & squad!
Actually Baruch is 3-1 this year. And their win over Stockton was one of the biggest non-conference wins for a CUNYAC team in quite some time.
However, it should be noted that Baruch's win over Farmingdale does come with an asterisk. Farmingdale's best player, Mike Campbell, did not play against the Bearcats and that fact should be noted.
By the way, does anyone know why Campbell did not play against Baruch?
What do CUNY people think about the match up Saturday between Stockon and Brooklyn. Saw Baruch beat Stockton. This seems like a good game in the making looking at personnel returning. Both teams have 1 loss to decent teams.
Baruch and Brooklyn will be the teams to beat this year as always....The Brooklyn/Stockton game will be a great game to watch...Looks like Hunters off to a tough start...Had some tough losses to Rutgers, Montclair, and M-Ville...
Even though their record does not show; they are a tough team and they may surprise some teams in the CUNY this year. Just realized that they have 2 d-1 transfers: Rubino from St. Francis College and DuBois played at Penn State University before redshirting and having injuries (googled his name)...Looks like York will be a tough team in the CUNY as well with Marcel putting up huge numbers...Heard Medgar Evers ran the score up vs. Pratt (They should'nt bc they will be on that end of the stick as soon as they start playing good teams), there new coach should be ashamed of himself-disgrace. CCNY has a new team-anyone see them play yet? How are their bigmen? How does CSI, Lehman and John Jay look? NYC Tech is struggling with the lost of their 2 key players from last year....Next week will be a huge first week with conference play coming up....
Quote from: cunybasketball on November 26, 2009, 04:03:49 PM
Baruch and Brooklyn will be the teams to beat this year as always....The Brooklyn/Stockton game will be a great game to watch...Looks like Hunters off to a tough start...Had some tough losses to Rutgers, Montclair, and M-Ville...
Even though their record does not show; they are a tough team and they may surprise some teams in the CUNY this year. Just realized that they have 2 d-1 transfers: Rubino from St. Francis College and DuBois played at Penn State University before redshirting and having injuries (googled his name)...Looks like York will be a tough team in the CUNY as well with Marcel putting up huge numbers...Heard Medgar Evers ran the score up vs. Pratt (They should'nt bc they will be on that end of the stick as soon as they start playing good teams), there new coach should be ashamed of himself-disgrace. CCNY has a new team-anyone see them play yet? How are their bigmen? How does CSI, Lehman and John Jay look? NYC Tech is struggling with the lost of their 2 key players from last year....Next week will be a huge first week with conference play coming up....
I agree with you about Hunter. They have a lot of talent on that team and they could be tough this year. Once again they have lots of new faces, so it may take time for things to fall in place, but if the players gel they have the potential to do some damage in conference play.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 25, 2009, 01:49:04 PM
Actually Baruch is 3-1 this year. And their win over Stockton was one of the biggest non-conference wins for a CUNYAC team in quite some time.
However, it should be noted that Baruch's win over Farmingdale does come with an asterisk. Farmingdale's best player, Mike Campbell, did not play against the Bearcats and that fact should be noted.
By the way, does anyone know why Campbell did not play against Baruch?
Rhodes,
Mike Campbell was kicked off Farmingdale's team because during their game VS Hofstra he ran into the crowd and got into a fight with a fan. Dont know much more than that.
Baruch's win vs Farmingdale although looks small now because Campbell didnt play will look great at the end of the season because Farmingdale will win 20 games and win the Skyline conference. They have a talented team and will gel as the season continues...
Quote from: Queens on November 30, 2009, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on November 25, 2009, 01:49:04 PM
Actually Baruch is 3-1 this year. And their win over Stockton was one of the biggest non-conference wins for a CUNYAC team in quite some time.
However, it should be noted that Baruch's win over Farmingdale does come with an asterisk. Farmingdale's best player, Mike Campbell, did not play against the Bearcats and that fact should be noted.
By the way, does anyone know why Campbell did not play against Baruch?
Rhodes,
Mike Campbell was kicked off Farmingdale's team because during their game VS Hofstra he ran into the crowd and got into a fight with a fan. Dont know much more than that.
Baruch's win vs Farmingdale although looks small now because Campbell didnt play will look great at the end of the season because Farmingdale will win 20 games and win the Skyline conference. They have a talented team and will gel as the season continues...
Thanks for the info on Campbell. Not a bright move on his part, so I guess the coach had no other option. I'm also assuming the fan got the worst of that encounter.
Even without Campbell, who I believe was the best player in the conference, Farmingdale may still be able to win the Skyline. Although I wouldn't count out St. Joe's.
I saw Hunter beat John Jay, 94-87, last night at the Sportsplex. Hunter led by as many as 18 midway through the second half, but played poorly down the stretch allowing the Bloodhounds to get within three in the final minutes.
This Hunter team has the most talent they've had in quite some time, so they should be more of a factor than they have been of late. I wanted to get a look at Dubois, but he did not dress. Klingsberg and Rubino were both solid as was Anthony Uter.
John Jay was led by their two veterans, Mason and Jaeger, but the Bloodhounds appear to be a little thin in the talent department this year.
Thanks Rhodes; I meant Baruch is 2 for 2 (not 2-2 record wise) against last season's regional powers Stockton and Farmingdale...York looked good last night at Brooklyn in a good see-saw game with Esonwune having an awesome game. The Cardinals stayed composed and ran their stuff to make up for the loss to Montclair that they had no business losing after leading the entire way. A couple of Marcel's blocks were ridiculously good. Brooklyn is solid, but still too much individual play.
I have to agree with you Rhodes Scholar about Hunter....I saw DuBois play and he is a very solid player who can play the 2 through 4 position very well (huge addition for Hunter along with Rubino)...Klingsberg is a good offensive of threat but he must work on his defensive game and get stronger. Hunter's post game needs much work as well. On a positive note they are young and once Hunter starts to form some type of chemistry with all of their newcomers they will be a tough team to beat in the CUNY....
As for York College, I would not count them out of the CUNY running bc they have much experience; especially with Marcel putting up the numbers he has thus far...Big win for them last night over Brooklyn...Looked like Baruch struggled against Medgar last night, anyone see that game?
Rhodes,
Hunter has more talent than the team two years ago with Marlon Smith and company? I dont think so. I saw hunter play this year and although Rubino is a first team all conference talent they are VERY weak downlow and will not be able to handle the likes of York or Baruch downlow. The problem with Hunter is every year they have a completely new team which makes them start from scratch. It would be nice to see them keep a couple players more then a year or a semester. ( No coincidence that Baruch, Brooklyn, and York are the teams to beat, only teams that brings back their core players and continue to develop players in their system)
The center on York will be Player of year. 25 points 23 rebounds and 6 blocks? Those are video game stats. Baptiste hasent gotten going yet and even if he does the kid on York is a game changer and dominates the game on both sides of the court.
cunybasketball: I agree with just about everything you wrote in your post. And, once again, I'm looking forward to seeing DuBois play. Judging from the numbers he's put up, he may be the best player on the team.
Queens: I also agree with everything you wrote except I think this year's Hunter team is a little more talented than the Marlon Smith team. The team from two years ago had Smith, DeLuca and Millian, but less depth than this year's team. This year's team has weaker big men but more talent overall and some explosive scorers as well. I don't believe that Hunter is a top-tier team this year, but I do think they'll be stronger than they have been. And you're absolutely right about the Hawks having massive player turnover year in and year out, which is hardly a recipe for success.
Quote from: cunybasketball on November 26, 2009, 04:03:49 PM
Baruch and Brooklyn will be the teams to beat this year as always....The Brooklyn/Stockton game will be a great game to watch...Looks like Hunters off to a tough start...Had some tough losses to Rutgers, Montclair, and M-Ville...
Even though their record does not show; they are a tough team and they may surprise some teams in the CUNY this year. Just realized that they have 2 d-1 transfers: Rubino from St. Francis College and DuBois played at Penn State University before redshirting and having injuries (googled his name)...Looks like York will be a tough team in the CUNY as well with Marcel putting up huge numberswill be on that end of the stick as soon as they start playing good teams),...Heard Medgar Evers ran the score up vs. Pratt (They should'nt bc they there new coach should be ashamed of himself-disgrace. CCNY has a new team-anyone see them play yet? How are their bigmen? How does CSI, Lehman and John Jay look? NYC Tech is struggling with the lost of their 2 key players from last year....Next week will be a huge first week with conference play coming up....
Please be careful about how you characterise people with out meeting them or knowing anything about them except hearsay. I have worked at Medgar Evers for 15+ yrs. now, following the basketball program and let me tell you, the new coach is by far the best thing that has happened to that program in a long, long time. I have no reason to blow smoke either because I'll be the first to say that we have been an absolute joke for a while prior to this season. He has managed to change to whole culture of this program in a very short time. He has brought excitement, enthusiasm and school spirit for the basketball program that I have not seen in my entire time here. I've gotten to know him a little and he's a very likeable, standup guy and his kids love to play for him. What's impressed me the most about him is that he has come in to a tough situation with some tough kids to deal with( whom it was very hard to root for because of their poor attitudes and lack of giving a crap about anything team oriented and lack of respect for authority, the game, or even themselves for that matter) and have turned them in to a team that the whole MEC community is totally in support of and rallying behind.
Keep in mind we were 1-24 the last two years! Tonight we won our first Cuny game in more than 2 yrs. We are 4-4 and could have a few more wins but Coach benched a few starters in our opener at Poly and another loss in a tourney in Conn.this past weekend for violating team rules. We have had the Frosh of the week in the conf. for the first 2 weeks of the season. He got the job late and didn't have time to recruit much, but the kids he has brought in are good players,students and people. 9 of the 13 kids on the roster are Frosh & Sophs. They are young, inexperienced and small (our tallest player is 6'3"), but they play really hard and are are fun to watch. They gave Baruch all they could handle Tues. night, but they ran out of gas, as has been the case with all their losses they are undersized and get in foul trouble and worn down as they game goes on. If they get a big or 2 at the semester break, they will be a dangerous team.
...and by the way, about the Pratt game, I was there. The final score of 123 to 45 was more a testiment of how embarrassingly bad a team they were than coach running up the score. He is not about that,( he even said after the game his team would have gotten more out of playing a tougher team and losing) the schedule was made long before he got the job by the AD. His starters played about 12 mins and his top 6 players did not play the 2nd half. He didn't press, the sad thing about the game is that the score could have been ALOT worse if he wanted it to be. It is Pratt,'s coach who should be embarrassed and ashamed of putting a team on the floor that could not win against a decent PSAL JV team. My son is on an 8th grade AAU team that I would be disappointed in if they lost to Pratt.
Sorry for such the long rant but us MEC fans haven't had anything to get excited about in a long time, and we're very happy with our new coach and the future of MEC basketball.
I am happy to hear that Medgar is rebuilding their program and it seems that the new coach is doing a great job with the program thus far...Apologies to MEC Fan....
Queens Fan-I agree with you when you say Hunter's big men are weak...They are extremely soft and it appears that the out of conference schools have been killing them inside...However, besides Marcel at York and Kunkel at Baruch...Do you really need a huge inside presence to do well in the CUNY Conf...I feel the CUNY is an up-tempo gaurd oriented conference with no real inside game on all sides....Which is the reason why CUNY teams cannot do well against NJAC schools and other tough out of conference match ups... ....Great example, look at Brooklyn, they have no real inside presence and they won the CUNY title last year...Brooklyn is a team with quick/athletic gaurds that play well together....With time and progression, Hunter's backcourt could be the best in the conference come February....As for York...York is only a good team when they stay composed as a team, when they are not arguing with one another, and when Lopez does not shoot the ball every time he touches it...Also, since when has York been a team that keeps players for all four years? They are on the same boat as Hunter when it comes to seeing new faces every season except for this year......If you look at Hunter's roster they are young and they will have guys for 2 3 and 4 years if they can retain them in the program...I feel this year's Hunter Team is more athletic and can be more explosive than their team with Smith, DeLuca, and Frantz...DuBois and Rubino may be the two of the best players in the conference along side of Marcel, Baptiste, and Kunkel...If I am wrong then in February after the playoffs I will apologize to everyone on this board...
I understand its a guard league but 2 out of 3 best teams have legit big men who dominate the boards and dominate down low, getting to the free throw line and getting other teams in foul trouble. Yes, brooklyn has no big men but it also has a all american and 2 time POY. That can make up for not having a big man. Hunter is an average team with one very good player (Rubino) and one above average player(Dubios). Dubios gets alot of his points by shooting 17 times a game and not shooting a high percentage and not looking to get the rest of his players involved. Hunter will be a step below York, Baruch and Brooklyn all year.
On Medgar
There team is much improved and their coach is doing a great job with them. Medgar will win a bunch of games this year. Saying that your 8 grade son could have played for Pratt is probably right but he also could have started for Medgar the last 2 years. Winning by 80 is never right, so dont try and justify it.
P.S- Marcel will score 30+ vs Hunter this year
Just for the record,
Marlon Smith and Joe Dulucas Hunter team would beat the current Hunter team by double figures...
no need for me to justify anything, it was what it was. I was at the game and it was a tough situation for everyone involved. All I was saying was that MEC coach handled an awkward situation as well as it could have been handled. I've seen other so called "well respected" coaches in college and HS handle this situation alot worse: press the whole game and run up the score. Don't even get me started on some of these AAU coaches and how they run it up to enhance their clubs "rep" to justify that it will get them better players.
Anyway.... CUNY seems a little more balanced this yr. with 8 of the 10 teams already having at least 1 conf. win after the first 2 games. Some of the favorites could get caught sleeping on any given night if they're not ready to play. Might not be the cakewalk for Baruch, Brooklyn and York like most people thought.
Queens: I find it interesting that you don't even mention Klingsberg. I saw this kid play in high school and he definitely can play. He's contributing immediately as a freshman.
I can't comment on DuBois yet because I haven't seen him play. But it's extremely unlikely that he won't be very good in the CUNYAC.
As far as Hunter's big men go, you're correct. That's the team's biggest weakness. They were killed off the boards last night against City and I'd expect the same to happen throughout the year.
Queens fan,
Deluca and Smith's team maybe had more talent than this years Hunter's Team; however, they had no chemistry and it was a team of individuals which is the reason why they lost in the semifinals. Plus 2 years ago, overall the CUNY was more competitive with more talent throughout the conference. I feel as the season progresses and the this year Hunter's team forms chemistry they will be tough...Marcel will probably have 30 and 20 vs. Hunter-I agree with you on that bc right now Hunter's bigmen can't even gaurd a statue-seen them vs. CCNY last night and they are aweful-Hunter's gaurd play makes up for big men... York is a turnover prone team that is only good when they play team basketball and they are too inconsistent...DuBois may be an erratic offensive player at times; however, the kid play's lockdown defense and he will rebound better than most bigmen...You have to remember this-the kid did not play on Penn State/Big Ten for no reason...DuBois is just getting a feel for the game bc i don't think he has played for the past 1 or 2 years...click on the link and read about him... http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/dubois_maxwell00.html
Once this kid gets in the flow I am telling you...he may be a problem for the CUNY and he may be the guy to lock up players like Baptiste or Kunkel...
I also saw Brooklyn play recently...overall they are not playing as well as they did last year...still too early in the season to tell anything yet...I have not had a chance to see Baruch play yet; I do love their style of basketball though...I am looking fwd to checking them out....
MEC fan-I agree with you when you said the CUNY will be no CAKEWALK for teams like Brooklyn, Baruch, and York....
All this chatter is very good.. Although I concur the league may be more balanced than what was expected, the top 3... York, Baruch & Brooklyn still have to respected, particularly the defending champions...
My question for Hunter fans..... Does anyone know what happened to Jason Cole and Bobby Kiernan? Both were major contributors last year and were only juniors last season...
Whats up,
Caught the BC York game. It was anyones game, back and forth. Down by 1 with 2 minutes left BC's Nesbitt was called for a questionable foul and then a tech. 4 foul shots for York at that point was critical. I thought BC made a lot of bad decisions when it came to shot selection. I still think overall they will be a stronger team than York down the stretch but a few notes from the game.
- Brooklyns new arena is amazing. It will definetly help with recruiting.
- York's big man Marcel E is a monster and much improved from last year.
- BC's Amil John will be all-conference within the next two years. He might be the best on the ball defender in CUNY right now and his offensive game is improving.
but
After seeing the BC/CSI score it looks like the division is btw York and BC with CSI and MEC having some potential for the future with some young talent.
I havent checked the board in a while but I was disappointed bubba chuck has been very civil so far this seaon with his posts.
There is a lot of conversation going on here about individuals, but in the end it's the teams that win, and especially those teams that are winning against quality non-conference teams that ought to be the focus of CUNY teams...who is best in CUNY will be determined in February, but for now it's the games out of CUNY that count, regardless of who will be all-conference before barely stepping on the college floor...a few teams have improved quite a bit, but so far Baruch, Brooklyn and York are winning the good out of conference games..congrats to coach St. John on the 300th career win, joining Ray Rankis of Baruch in that club of current CUNY coaches.
Thank you for stating the obvious Zak! The board is ment to spark conversation about the teams and the players on the teams.
but who has Brooklyn and York beaten out of conference that is so impressive?
I think the league is more balanced in the middle but still none will challenge the Big 3 of the conference. ill be stunned if those 3 teams are not in the semis and 2 out of the 3 are in the championships.
Danny, hows your brothers transfer to Brooklyn working out? I was dissapointed to see he wasent on the roster again.
He hasn't been in school for a while now but he's working, doing well, and playing in a bunch of mens leagues.
I think if Hunters team is able to stay eligible for the second semester, they might be a team to watch out for along with BC, Baruch, and York.
BC hasn't beat anyone special yet out of conference but had close games with Elms and Stockton who traditionally would have beat BC with ease. We'll see how they do with some tough non-CUNY games coming up, Old Westbury, NJCU, and then Manhattanville/Franklin Marshall tourney. At least no one could say Coach P didn't schedule a cupcake non-conference this year. Elms, Stockton, Franklin Marshall are all nationally ranked type squads.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on December 07, 2009, 08:37:41 AM
He hasn't been in school for a while now but he's working, doing well, and playing in a bunch of mens leagues.
I think if Hunters team is able to stay eligible for the second semester, they might be a team to watch out for along with BC, Baruch, and York.
BC hasn't beat anyone special yet out of conference but had close games with Elms and Stockton who traditionally would have beat BC with ease. We'll see how they do with some tough non-CUNY games coming up, Old Westbury, NJCU, and then Manhattanville/Franklin Marshall tourney. At least no one could say Coach P didn't schedule a cupcake non-conference this year. Elms, Stockton, Franklin Marshall are all nationally ranked type squads.
For what it is worth, NJCU just beat Stockton at Stockton.
I watched the Rutgers-Newark @ Baruch game last night. The Scarlet Raiders looked like worldbeaters in the first half, and led by as many as 17 in the second half before they folded like a lawn chair, allowing the Bearcats to come away with a 77-73 victory. Needless to say, Rutgers-Newark should not have lost this one (they held a lead for the first 39 minutes). But no one stepped up for them down the stretch and Baruch started to put the ball in the basket when it counted most.
Baruch seemed intimidated inside in the first half and their guards looked a bit slow compared to Rutgers, but things changed during the final ten minutes. Kunkel began to assert himself down low and Farid got going as well. All and all a nice win for Baruch and very tough loss for Rutgers-Newark.
CSI blew a big lead to MSV the other night.
Did MSV win it or CSI blow it?
Just to follow up on what Rhodes posted
Whatever the Rutgers Newark coach did after that tough loss at Baurch must have worked.
Rutgers Newark 86 York 65 (anyone see this game?)
Quote from: Queens on December 10, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
Just to follow up on what Rhodes posted
Whatever the Rutgers Newark coach did after that tough loss at Baurch must have worked.
Rutgers Newark 86 York 65 (anyone see this game?)
I didn't see the game, but Rutgers-Newark certainly didn't fold against York. The Scarlet Raiders led by only three midway through the second half, but went on a 20-1 run to win handily over the Cardinals.
On Tuesday, the CUNYAC got a nice win over the NJAC when Brooklyn beat NJCU in Jersey City, 77-62. (Now there's a score no one would have thought possible five years ago.)
Hunter puts its four-game win streak on the line tomorrow on the road against William Paterson. It'll be interesting to see how this one turns out because the Pioneers are much better than the teams that the Hawks have recently beaten. So far this year, Hunter is 0-2 against NJAC foes, losing two close games to Rutgers-Newark and Montclair State.
Caught the Brooklyn - Old Westbury game yesterday. Brooklyn was in control for most of the game. They seemed to be on another level than OW. I think OW was missing their starting PG but Brooklyn's depth really impressed me. They seem to go 9-10 deep and not miss a step.
I've been seeing a lot of CUNY's taking down NJAC's this year which is traditionally uncommon. I haven't seen any NJAC's play yet but I was curious if someone who has, can give an opinion of which conference in the region is the strongest? And who would be your top 5-6 teams in the region.
Rhodes, do you know when the regionally ranking will be released?
NJAC is the strongest. Much Deeper and anyone of the teams listed below can win the conference tournament. Whereas CUNY is top heavy
Stockton
Newark
Jeresy City
Willy P
Montclair St.
Ramapo
They are much stronger than the CUNY conference although the top teams in CUNY like Brooklyn and Baruch can compete with them.
Baruch 2-0 vs NJAC wins @ Stockton and vs Newark.
Brooklyn 1-1 Lost to Stockton beat Jeresy City
York 1-4 only win vs upstart Jeresy City
Regional Rankings dont come out till the end of the season, late January early Febuary.
Heres my regional Rankings
1 Baruch
2 William Patterson
3 Ramapo
4 Stockton
5. St Joes LI
Danny: I believe that Queens is correct about when the regional rankings come out.
I do agree with most of what Queens has written. The NJAC has always been the strongest conference in the Atlantic region and the strongest D3 conference in the metropolitan area since the founding of D3. Although it's probably not as strong as it used to be, it's still clearly better than either the CUNYAC or the Skyline.
This year the CUNYAC is 4-18 vs. the NJAC and 4-6 vs. the Skyline.
It's tough to say who the top team in the region is right now. Stockton lost yesterday to Susquehanna and may very well drop out of the top 25. All of the team's that Queens mentioned are up there along with Brooklyn. Farmingdale is clearly down from last year and is much weaker without Campbell.
I watched York beat NJCU yesterday in Jamaica, 68-60. The Gothic Knights got out to an early lead, but were clearly outplayed the final 30 minutes. Hamilton-Lopez and Esonwune had strong second half efforts to pace the Cardinals. It was a pretty sloppy game, but once York got on track they pretty much outclassed the visitors.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on December 13, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
This year the CUNYAC is 4-18 vs. the NJAC and 4-6 vs. the Skyline.
It's tough to say who the top team in the region is right now. Stockton lost yesterday to Susquehanna and may very well drop out of the top 25. All of the team's that Queens mentioned are up there along with Brooklyn. Farmingdale is clearly down from last year and is much weaker without Campbell.
4-18...That record definetly shows the lack of depth in the CUNY. Big drop off after the top squads. Interesting Baruch is the top of Queen's rankings. Even though they have had some nice out of conference wins, I'm not sure I believe Baruch is better than Brooklyn, especially since both teams returned mostly the same team. Of course I'm a little prejudice, but I guess I have to agree that Baruch has been playing better basketball than Brooklyn.
I was also curious why Brooklyn is not hosting the CUNY tournament??? I figured they would be the host site since they do have a new facility
My ratings are based on what i think they would be, not whose better or who would win in a heads up match up. Baruch had no regional loses and 2 very good wins in the region, where brooklyn has lost mulitple times in region and hasent really beating anyone besides Jeresy City.
Brooklyn by no stretch of the imagination would be ahead of Baruch in the regional rankings at this point in the season. Patterson would probably be number 1 but im CUNY biased i tried to throw Baruch a bone. Brooklyn would be lucky to crack the top 5. Rhodes back me up on this one?
The championships are going to stay at CCNY, they have the largest capicity. As seen last year it gets pretty packed for that event and was an electric atmosphere. From what i've heard i dont think brooklyns new place holds nearly as many. Can the infamous "Zak" confirm this?
Queens: Your regional rankings look pretty good, but at this time are completely meaningless because it's very early in the season. Also keep in mind that the regional rankings do not establish who the best teams in the region actually are because out-of-region games are not counted (as well as other factors).
Regional Rankings
1. William Paterson
2. Baruch
3. Stockton
4. Ramapo
5. Either Montclair or Rutgers NWK...
*I would not put St. Joe's Patchogue in the top 5 even though they are 7-1. They haven't beaten any really good teams yet...They have had a weak schedule so far...
Thanks Queens...nothing infamous about "Zak" as I am not hiding anything nor who I am. Yes, the CUNYAC Championship will remain at CCNY for the time being as we continue to grow the event. Brooklyn College has a beautiful facility, but clearly not adequate in size nor seating ( about 800) for the conference championship...and CCNY will be much better this year than what people are used to seeing from even the past year!
Baruch and Paterson seem to be the top 2 teams right now in the Region, with Brooklyn in the mix in the top 5 for sure, especially after beating NJCU on the road and Old Westbury. NJAC seems as unpredictable as ever but clearly deeper than CUNYAC or Skyline. York has been unfortunate with losses to Paterson and Montclair on the road after having leads in the final minute...
I like how the brooklyn fans came out to vote on the poll. Interesting to see Baruch and Hunter in a tie. I tell you that game on January 6 should be interesting, although a little disappointing that its during the break, would have been nice to have a fully packed, hostile Hunter gym.
I dont know how seriously you can take that poll...First off John Jay got 2 votes who just lost to Rutgers newark by 40 and second i think that poll has been up there for about 2 years running now.
Baruch vs Hunter will be a great game though, it will be interesting to see if Hunter can step up into the top 3 and make it a top 4. I must say i was wrong about them and there late performances have been strong.
Well see whose still eligible after the break ;) and what "newcomers" arrive on campus after the first semester.
Well that's true for every team, in every conference. You just never know who is going to make it to the second semester and who's going to have newcomers. One thing I love about the NJAC, it's like a whole new season in January, since half the teams add one like four new guys and lose a couple, completely different teams. In the CUNYAC, it seems more school's lose than add. I haven't heard any rumors around the CUNYAC yet, so it seems doubtful Hunter or anyone will have a midseason addition, I don't think there will be any Marlon Smith's showing up this year.
HUGE WEEK FOR CUNY BASKETBALL....Anyone schools pick up any mid-season transfers?
Baruch @ Hunter on Wednesday night is the best matchup this week. The Bearcats are playing very well and are the team to beat. They have a lot of talent and experience. Their only problem might be a lack of depth. Hunter also has good talent, but they have mostly newcomers and their big men have to step up.
I'll be at the Baruch vs Hunter game tonight, its definately the prime time game of the week. ( Rhodes im going to be looking for you!) Should be interesting to see if Hunter can stop Baruch, Hunter is notorious for playing no defense and just trying to outscore their opponents, i dont think that will work vs Baruch. Should be a high paced, high scoring game.
Spread: Baruch -8
As for the rest of the conference, didnt see many games that caught my eye. The confence is what we expected and no one seems to be stepping up. Going to be a 4 team race. Hunter can make a big statement tonight.
Whats going on with Brooklyn 5-5? I was expecting a big season from them, anyone see them play or know whats going on with them? Lost to Manhattanville which is a team they should be able handle. Then got spanked there next game, looks like they mailed it in during the 3rd place game.
Rhodes Scholar- Feelings on Baruch not getting votes for the top 25? There 9-1 coming off a excellent season last year, after i saw they won this weekend i thouht they would be getting votes. It would be great to see a CUNY team get that kind of respect nationally. Why do you think they continue to get snubbed?
Quote from: Queens on January 06, 2010, 11:49:25 AM
Rhodes Scholar- Feelings on Baruch not getting votes for the top 25? There 9-1 coming off a excellent season last year, after i saw they won this weekend i thouht they would be getting votes. It would be great to see a CUNY team get that kind of respect nationally. Why do you think they continue to get snubbed?
Queens: Baruch is a good team but I don't believe they're Top 25 material (or even Top 50). First off, last season is irrelevant in terms of this year's rankings. Second, the Atlantic region is probably the weakest in the country and the CUNYAC is one of the weakest conferences as well. Third, outside of the Stockton victory, Baruch has no top-tier wins (although the Rutgers-Newark win is good). Fourth, even if Baruch runs the table in the CUNYAC this year (and so far they've only played one game) it would not be a strong argument for ranking them in the Top 25 given the weak nature of the conference. That said the Bearcats might get a vote or two if they keep winning and beat William Paterson in Wayne on January 18. In my opinion the only CUNY team that was a legitimate Top 25 squad (since the inception of this site) was the '98 Hunter team, which was much better than this current Baruch team.
I also noticed on the Hunter website that the Hawks have added Panagiotis Koutsoloukas, a 6-10 junior from Cyprus. If this guy can play, Hunter may have made a big impovement to their team.
I also thought Baruch might have received a vote or two. To get votes coming out of the Atlantic, it looks like you have to have a tough non conference and not lose a game. Stockton has votes but lost to NJCU who lost to Brooklyn. Stockton also lost to Susquehanna. Seems like Baruch has a tough schedule coming up with games against Hunter, Brooklyn, York, William Patterson, and Stevens. Now if they ran the table against those squads, I would think they could get some representation in the polls.
Queens, I was looking into the Brooklyns games this weekend since you mentioned it.
Manhattanville and Susquehanna seem to be pretty good teams who took Franklin & Marshall to the wire. Also looks like Brooklyn was without Amil john for their second game of the tournament (which could be the reason why the guard on Susquehanna scored 37). I'm looking forward to seeing Brooklyn take on the north conference as well as another run in with York.
Happy New Year to all CUNYAC fans!
I am a little shocked by Rhodes, whose opinion I respect a great deal on this board. The Atlantic Region is a lot better than you seem to give it credit for. Yes, there was a time when NJAC schools would be in the Final Four on a regular basis, but look at last year with Stockton and Farmingdale having great runs in the NCAAs. Some of the folks voting on D3 hoops aren't giving this region enough respect. Is this year similar to last year in terms of talent? Absolutely, maybe not Stockton and Farmingdale in the same way, but there are several excellent teams. To say Baruch is not top 50 is giving a lot of other teams and regions way too much credit, some deserved and others just being there based on past reputation.
Why not Baruch and WP in 2010? or who knows who else may crash the party in late February or early March? I don't think anyone was saying last January 6th that Farmingdale was going to go so far or that they were ranked? Should they have been?
Bottom line is that teams in the Atlantic are a lot more athletic than teams are used to seeing throughout the year and that c
causes serious mismatches in the postseason.
Queens,
I saw Baruch won by 14. Any analysis of the game? And did that new 6'11 kid play?
Danny, I was waiting for a Rhodes recap as well, I'm sure he was there. As from what I can tell, not even Carpenter played, so they didn't go with a "big" lineup at all. Baruch is clearly a solid team, but that's what happens when you spend four plus year building a squad. No one else in cuny right now has a team like that, at this point the only battle is going to be for the second seed an nothing having to play baruch until the finals.
I couldnt agree more with you Zak. Rhodes little surprised at your response and the comments you made. " Last year means nothing in terms of rankings?" Are you kidding me? The whole poll is based on last year, know one knows whose coming back, who transfered, who got kicked out of school. The opening poll to start the season is 100 percent based on last year. Thats why so many of these teams who were very good last year, like stockton, umass darthmouth, farmingdale and others are in the top 25 and are now currently not in the poll. You have several teams with multiple loses still banging around in the top 25, its thats not bases on their reputation i dont know what is.
Baruch not in the top 50 is just a ridiculous comment, how could a team thats 10-1 not be one of the top 50 teams in the country. Who at one point this season did receive a vote for the top 25. Im not saying they should be in the top 25 but not in the top 50? Rhodes must be a Hunter alum ;)
Zak said it right, the atlantic region plays a pressing up tempo in your face game that the rest of the regions rarely see or play against. Teams from the UAA or NESCAC play a half court style. I'll put William Patterson up against any top 25 team and theyll be in for a battle. Go watch a richard stockton lay up line and see if any of the top 25 teams can match that athletism. That being said there are more bad and even terrible teams in the atlantic region than any of the other regions which gives the region a bad rap. This being said last year atlantic region had 2 teams in the elite 8 and one team in the national title game. Not bad for the worst region in the country.
I was at the game last night as i told you yesterday i would be...
Baruch is just better than hunter, and like i said it would be a high scorering game final score 95-81. Not much defense being played on either side, but like knight life said Baruch is just an experienced veteran squad who have played with each other for 3 years now. Baruch was in control the whole game with Hunter making some runs to make it interesting. It was a 3 pt game at Halftime with baruch having a 14 pt lead with about 5 minutes left and hunter went on a nice run to end the half. Second half was all baruch with the lead being anywhere from 8 to 18. Hunter showed some life at the end of the game with there press but there defense is just too poor to get enough stops to over come Baruch.
Hunters whole team is Rubino, hes real good player, probably the best guard in the conference. That being said Hilaire the pg from Baruch stayed with him step for step and even outscored him ( 23 to 22). Rubino final stat line 22 pts 8 assists 6 rebounds. Was not impressed with Dubios who took alot of bad shots and was in foul trouble the whole game. One of the players on Baruch crossed him making him fall then hit a three in his face. Crowd really got into it at that point. Kunkle had his usual 20 which is expected from a first team all conference player.
It was an entertaining game with a nice crowd but from watching that game Hunter, as i said on this board, is a one maybe two steps behind Baruch.
Zak: I believe the Atlantic region is the weakest in the country not because there are no good teams in the region, but because all of the other regions are stronger. I base some of this view on the fact that the Atlantic region teams tend not to perform very well against teams from the other regions. At this point in the season, I don't believe that any of the Atlantic region teams belong in the Top 25. Stockton is weaker than last year and Farmingdale is not even close to last year. William Paterson has a good record (but not a strong schedule) and is on a lot of people's radar. Baruch, like I said, has a nice win against Stockton and a good one over Rutgers-Newark but has a disappointing loss to Westfield State as well. For the Bearcats to merit more attention from the voters they must keep winning (comfortably) in conference and beat Paterson as well. Plus, teams in the #26-#50 range must appear less palatable to the voters.
Queens: I love the way that you stir the pot. (Hopefully it will help get this board more active.) Obviously the prior year plays a part in the opening poll, but it should play no roll at this point in the year. And just because a team has a 10-1 record does not mean it's one of the top teams in the country. It matters who you beat and where, and, to a lesser extent, by how much. I agree with both you and Zak that the Atlantic region teams are often more athletic than others around the country, but that does not always translate into victories.
knight_life: I was there and wasn't particularly surprised by the result. As you said, Baruch keeps guys around for four years, plus they have good talent, good coaching and good chemistry. Hunter has good talent, but little chemistry. For the Hawks, it's all about Rubino, DuBois or Klingsberg taking their man and shooting. I think Rubino can provide leadership but he needs some help. Plus, Hunter has no one who posts up, which limits their options on offense. If they had a guy down low, it would help free up Rubino, Klingsberg and Courtien for open outside shots. Anyway I'm interested in seeing the new 6-10 kid play (he was sitting on the bench), when he becomes eligible, which I assume will be pretty soon.
Queens: What's your take on Klingsberg? He's the best freshman in the conference and is averaging 16 points a game, yet for some reason, you fail to even mention his name.
P.S. I'm not holding my breath awaiting a response. ;D
Klingsberg is a really good player, who gets over shadowed by Rubino and Dubios. I'm not a huge fan of his game because he looks disinterested and lacks effort at times(I've only seen him play 3 times but thats my opinion) His 16 a game average is impressive for a freshmen and he played a nice game yesterday. Anyone that scores 39 in a game is pretty good in my book.
The 6'10 kid is suppose to be a project according to my sources ;)
I wish Millian from last years team was still eligible for Hunter he is exactly what this years team is missing. His toughness and inside scoring would be a scarey combination with Rubino, Dubios and Klingsberg (another mention Rhodes)
Monday- Huge Matchup- Potential Finals Preview- Baruch @ York
Anyone know why Nick Hamilton Lopez didnt play yesterday vs Medgar? Hes averaging 21 a game and is was one of the most explosive scorers in the conference.
P.S. Love the sarcasm Rhodes
Queens,
I agree with you when you said Klingsberg is over shadowed by Rubino and DuBois and he does seem disinterested at times when on the court. Hunter lacks a inside presence; hopefully their mid-season pickup will help them out around the glass. If Hunter wants be in the CUNY Championship Running they must learn to play as a team and form chemistry...
Baruch should definitely be ranked in the Top 25 or even honorable mention. They are solid, they play TEAM Ball and they work well as an unit.
CUNY teams get no respect.
Klingsberg is a hell of a talent, great shot, drives to the hoop without hesitation and is solid from the line, but I have noticed his disinterest on the court. Not sure why someone with his talent would not want to be out there, but then again, could just be how he is, I never saw him play in high school, so do not have anyway to compare.
Rubino and Dubois seem to trade off nights, earlier int he season Rubino was very impressive, then when he got shut down, Dubois went off for 25+. I agree with everyone, Hunter is one or two more players away from having a legit contender. This new kid might help, but I would think if they retain, we'll be talking about Hunter more next season than this one.
@Queens: Trust me, as I know Frantz pretty well, he wishes he could still be out there as well. He would have made this team so much better, plus add the leadership they lack. Its never easy for anyone when you've used up your four years, but its good to see he's not forgotten on the board, the kid had a ton of heart.
Queens: Nice to see that you finally acknowledged Klingsberg. And you may even be right that he needs to be a bit more focused and intense.
Hamilton-Lopez played Saturday against CSI so he should be ready to go against Baruch. This should be one of Baruch's toughest CUNYAC matchups this season. It'll be interesting to see how York's edge in athleticism plays out tonight. Baruch's definitely the favorite, but the Bearcats could have some trouble with the Cardinals.
Baruch loses to York by 4.
Hamilton Lopez 30 pts
Esonwnue 19 pts 16 rebounds 4 blocks.
It was a very exciting game that York led the whole way. Baruch could never get over the hump in the 2nd half having the game as close as 3 several times. Hamilton Lopez was unconsicious hitting shots from well beyond NBA range. One of the best performances ive seen all season.
Hilaire from baruch had 27 points and hit alot of tough shots. York was the better team tonight and i think these are the best two team in the conference. This will be an exciting championship game. ( Brooklyn fans dont get bent out of shape your the defending champs and you will be more than a big factor when the time comes.)
Quote from: Queens on January 11, 2010, 11:33:06 PM
Hilaire from baruch had 27 points and hit alot of tough shots. York was the better team tonight and i think these are the best two team in the conference. This will be an exciting championship game. ( Brooklyn fans dont get bent out of shape your the defending champs and you will be more than a big factor when the time comes.)
The Lopez kid is sneaky, you don't think he's going to put up points and out of no where he drops 20.
What is your spread when Brooklyn plays Baruch? Last year, they gave it to Baruch pretty good in the championship game. And their regular season game came down to the last second. I'm thinking BC/Baruch is a pick'em right now.
Lopez is hands down the best shooter in the league and he probably is the most arrogant as well. When he gets going with the combination of Esonwnue down low its deadly. If he plays like he did last night they will be extremely hard to beat. York has a very nice team.
I'm yet to see brooklyn play this year or see brooklyns new gym ( i heard its really nice) im going to try and make it to their game saturday vs Hunter.
Baruch should be the favorite vs Brooklyn BUT, brooklyn seems to step there game up vs Baruch and i dont think it would be far fetched for me to say they have that game circled on their calender. Baruch has beat a bunch of teams that Brooklyn has lost to. Should be another excellent game and another one that is a must see. I would make the spread a Pick em as well.
I went to the Stockton @ Hunter game last night, which the Ospreys won 99-90. Hunter led for much of the game and was up by 7 at the break. The Hawks trailed by only 2 with 2 minutes to go. It was a very tough loss for Hunter, but Stockton seized the momentum in the second half and played with greater poise and confidence down the stretch.
Courtien, DuBois and Klingsberg all put in solid efforts for Hunter. The Hawks had better ball movement in the first half but reverted to more one-on-one play in the closing stanza, which made them less effective.
Stockton got an outstanding performance from Omar Smith, who was too much down low for the Hawks. Point guard Santini Lancioni also played well as did Michael Farrow, who threw down a couple of serious dunks.
I also got my first look at Hunter's 6-10 Greek import and Queens' sources were correct: He is a project. He has a very wide body to go with the height and reminds me of former New York Net backup center Ron "Lurch" Taylor.
I saw the York vs Baruch games last night. York played a great game last night (anyone know what happened to Phipps)? Lopez hit some tough shots and probably had his best game of the season. Marcel played solid controlling the paint as usual. I am not surprised that York beat Baruch....Lopez and Marcel are a deadly combo....
As for the CUNY conference it is all about Team Match-Ups....Certain teams match up better with others...
I know Huter's play is very inconsistent; however, I still would not count them out of the equation for the CUNY running. They have a lot of weapons and they have been hanging with very good experienced teams so far...Once they establish constistency they are going to be tough...
Hunter @ Brooklyn game this Saturday and next Wednesdays game York @ Hunter will be a good test to see where Hunter stands in the conference.
Rhodes-I saw the box score of the Hunter-Stockton game and noticed that there were 4 technical fouls issued throughout the game 3 for Hunter and 1 for Stockton...Were the referees that bad on both sides? You have any feedback....?
Quote from: cunybasketball on January 12, 2010, 02:01:11 PM
Rhodes-I saw the box score of the Hunter-Stockton game and noticed that there were 4 technical fouls issued throughout the game 3 for Hunter and 1 for Stockton...Were the referees that bad on both sides? You have any feedback....?
There were definitely some questionable calls, but I don't think the refs cost Hunter the game. One of Hunter's assistant coaches got hit with a T right after the first half ended and Plevritis got a double technical near the end of the game. I'm sure he was very frustrated because Hunter led for much of the way only to come up short.
Plevritis has to lead the country in technicals. Every time i see a game he gets T'ed up. Needs to learn how to control himself, not good to have that kind of rep from all the officals.
CUNYBasketball- your right about Hamilton Lopez and Marcel being a deadly combo but you need to relax with this hunter talk. Marcel might get 30 and 30 vs Hunter. There will be absolutely no resistance for him downlow. York will beat hunter by 20+. True they have alot of weapons but they dont play as a team and you can forget about Rubino, Dubios and Klingsberg getting to the basket because marcel is going to be camping out in the paint because he doesnt have to worry about covering any of Hunters big men. Marcel is an absolute beast and changes the game offensively and defensively. Hands down Player of the year in my opinion.- Thoughts?
PS- Rhodes my sources are never wrong ;)
Queens..."your right about Hamilton Lopez and Marcel being a deadly combo but you need to relax with this hunter talk. Marcel might get 30 and 30 vs Hunter. There will be absolutely no resistance for him downlow. York will beat hunter by 20+. True they have alot of weapons but they dont play as a team and you can forget about Rubino, Dubios and Klingsberg getting to the basket because marcel is going to be camping out in the paint because he doesnt have to worry about covering any of Hunters big men. Marcel is an absolute beast and changes the game offensively and defensively. Hands down Player of the year in my opinion.- Thoughts?"
Queens: I agree with you on Marcel being named the player of the year....Without a question the kid is the best big man in the Atlantic Region-Top 3 in D3..I am not sure where you came up with the 20 point spread on the Hunter/York game...? I have to disagree with you on that one.... You are talking like York is a nationally ranked team who lost 1 or 2 games.....They are good; however, they are not 20 points better than Hunter....In my opinion the spread will be no more than 10....I would not be surprised if Marcel gets 30 and 20 vs. Hunter....However, there is no way that Lopez will get off like he has vs. the Hunter backcourt....It will be an interesting game....
Queens/Rhodes...What are your predictions on the Brooklyn/Hunter Game this Saturday?
Plevritis has to lead the country in technicals. Every time i see a game he gets T'ed up. Needs to learn how to control himself, not good to have that kind of rep from all the officals.
Haha thats actually quite funny. I stopped going to games a while ago because my friend had graduated but some of those officials have always seemed a bit unfair. There is one thing to be bad but to make one call down one end and then not making the same call down the other must be what frustrates him. I remember when Coach Plevritis would argue and point to both ends of the floor while arguing which to me seems like calls are being made on one side but the same exact call is not being made the other way (ie a charge foul where a player slides in under the airborne shooter being called a charge on one end and then on the other end its being called a Block).
Quote from: Queens on January 12, 2010, 08:44:11 PM
Marcel is an absolute beast and changes the game offensively and defensively. Hands down Player of the year in my opinion.- Thoughts?
At this point in the season, Esonwune is the clear front runner. He's put up tremendous numbers and has a clear edge over Baptiste.
Quote from: cunybasketball on January 13, 2010, 08:58:32 AM
Queens/Rhodes...What are your predictions on the Brooklyn/Hunter Game this Saturday?
I think Brooklyn is the favorite. Hunter is a notch (or two) below the top three (Baruch, Brooklyn and York).
Im not saying the referreeing is not awful at times but once you get that rep among the referees its hard not lose it. Plevritis is notorious for when the game is out of hand just losing control and getting a T. Just saying its not a good rep to have with the refs.
I didnt say the spread was 20 i think York will beat them by 20+. Heres my logic Baruch beat Hunter by 15 @ HUNTER. Baruch big man 23 pts 10 for 10 from the field! Baruchs big man vs York 0-1 0 points. Saw Hunter vs NYU, NYU's big man another monster game 20+ pts and a ridiculous field goal percentage. Marcel WAYY better than both of these players. Also, you cannot sleep on Hamilton Lopez, Rubino is better than any guard on baruch but as whole Baruch 3 guard front is better overal. And the best 1-2-3 combo in the league. All three of there guards are underrated in the conference and all have terrific skills.
Danny said it best he doesnt look like much than all of sudden hes got 20 on you. The kid is averaging 20 pts a game i believe thats more than anyone on hunter.
When it comes to the Hunter Brooklyn game i think it will be a much better game than Hunter York. Brooklyn is still the Favorite in this one for sure but i wouldnt be surprised if Hunter pulled this one out. Hunter needs to beat someone, there getting close but cant seem to seal the deal.
P.S- Love the chatter on the boards
Queens-I will definitely agree with you when you say that Hunter needs to beat someone...The only descent team that they beat was Scranton....They usually play 20-30 minutes of good basketball then fall apart....However, Hunter does not match well vs. Marcel...But I feel Hunter's backcourt will give York's backcourt trouble....York plays similar ball to the NJAC schools....Hunter plays better vs. athletic fast paced teams such as the NJAC teams---have they closed the deal against any of those teams-NO....But, I feel Hunter will give York a good game.. Hunter has a tough time vs. smart and patient offensive teams such as Baruch and NYU...I guess we will see next week if York will win by 20+...
As for the referees-the CUNY may have the worst referees in the country....
For the record, Lopez is averaging 20.8, while Rubino averages 19.5. As a team, I would much rather see 19.5, 17.2, 16.5 out of your top three than compared to York's 20.8, 16.3, 13.0. Saturday should be a good game and then next Wednesday will be interesting as well, but don't expect to see a 20 point win on the board.
Was anyone at the Brooklyn/John Jay game last night, I heard there was a fight on the court? I wonder if anyone will be suspended for this weekend's game now.
York's Marcel Esonwune leads the nation in rebounds per game (14.9) and blocks per game (3.6). Needless to say, that's quite an accomplishment. I don't know how many players have ever lead the nation in two statistical categories, but I would suspect the number is very small. The last CUNYAC player that I remember who led the nation in a statistical category was Neil Edwards, who also played for York and led the nation in blocked shots at least for one year and possibly for two.
I want to offically retire all Hunter Hawks talk on this board. They cant beat anyone and we need to stop giving this team any type of credit or benefit of the doubt. Where are all these Hunter supporters after another 10+ point loss and now are 7-9.
Knightlife/ Cunybasketball your feelings?
Queens...I can't disagree with u now... Hunter talk is officially retired for the 2009-2010 season... Maybe we should start showing love to some of the other teams like CSI and Medgar...
I thought Hunter was going to give a Brooklyn a real tough test but once again they just cant live up to the expectations.
CSI is no good, but Medgar deserves some love. ( Played Brooklyn and Baruch closer than Hunter did ;)) Medgar coach should get coach of the year in my opinion. They went from a joke to a legitmate game. If he can keep things together look out for medgar in the future.
Great Stats from Rhodes, shows how dominate Marcel is. Hes a game changer on defense completely disrupts the other teams offense.
The conference is top-heavy this year with three solid teams, a small middle tier and quite a few weak teams. There's a good chance that none of the top three teams will lose a game to the rest of the conference. This usually doesn't happen in the CUNYAC, but it did last year and could very well happen again.
I enjoyed watching Brooklyn play at Widener yesterday. Watch for some coverage of that game in Around the Nation later this week.
Baruch lost in double overtime last night in Wayne against #21 ranked William Paterson, 89-81. It was the first loss of the year for the Bearcats against NJAC foes. Previously Baruch defeated Stockton, Rutgers-Newark and Kean.
I also noticed that Omari Phipps is no longer on the York roster. And Iouri Matsakov is no longer listed on Brooklyn's roster.
My sources have told me that Phipps was arrested :o. Dont know what happened with Matsakov.
Tough loss for Baruch would have made them the number 1 team in the region, but shows they are a legit squad.
Finals Rematch
Saturday 3:30
Baruch @ Brooklyn- Should be a good one
Their 3 point loss to York not withstanding, I'll tell you why I don't think Hunter will ever be a succesfull program with Plevritis at the helm.
My sources tell me that Max Dubois (transfer from Penn St.) literally left the team at halftime Saturday during their game vs. Brooklyn. Dubois then apparently sat in the stands and watched his teammates fall hard to Brooklyn.
This is all relevant because Dubois apparently played tonight vs York. While I am not saying the kid should be banished from the team, for I do not know the circumstances. However, the fact that the kid played the very next game as if nothing happened is disgraceful.
This just accentuates how much of a pushover Plevritis is and how little control he has over his program. While Hunter is well known for their lack of roster consistency, it is disturbing to see such lack of command and discipline over a team.
Regardless of what happens behind closed doors, because I am sure there are plenty of other issues none of us ever know about, tonight's game was interesting considering everyone on here felt that York would win by over 20 and also that it was time to forget about Hunter. Klingsberg has his worst game of the season, if he was on, Hunter would have walked away with a W tonight. It was a fun game to watch regardless, especially when St. John decided to run half way across the court to throw a temper tantrum because his kid got T'd up for hanging on the rim. I didn't realize he thought it was legal for a player to do a pull-up on the rim after a jam.
My one note for the night, as much as people want to bash coaches and such, am I the only one that feels half the kids on York's team probably couldn't cut it academically anywhere else. I mean seriously, how challenging can it be to go to York, I bet half these kids couldn't last one semester at Baruch or Hunter.
Knight-Life! You sound like a real hater!!! You have some nerve to challenge the program of York. That statement sounded like a racist comment. Zak should ban your posting up. Don't be mad because your beloved Hunter Hawks lost another game. Where did u go to school? Probaby didn't, u republican!!! We could debate this issue further if u want in person!!!!!!
Interesting developements here.
First off, i agree with Bubbachuck 100 percent on the hunter program. I dont care what the circumstances are but how does one of your "star" players and a leader of your team leave your bench and sit in the crowd and is still on the team? That cannot and should not happen. That is ridiculous and as BubbaChuck said thats why Plevritis is a joke. I also agree they will never be successful program with him running the show. Every year he goes for quick fixes, d1 transfers, kids from god knows where trying to have that one big year and giving up on the future trying to win at all costs. Obviously this isnt working. Havent even made it to a championship game. One year they might come through and win a championship but thats not what college basketball is about, you need to build a program and thats how all the good d3s do it.
Say whatever you want about St John and the York team. I think St John does a great job with his team. He has had alot of fimiliar faces each year and thats why they are successful and have been in the chamionship or semis just about every year. There team this year is very impressive. This being said rumors are always flying about the York players and academics or lack there of. I've heard many stories of players once the season is over dropping all there classes so they will be eligible for the next season. This probably happens at other places but York has a bulls eyes because they are always one of the best, most hated teams in the conference. ( lets keep racism out of it)
By the way, since when are we going to be proud of a 3 point loss? I know i said it was going to be a blow out and i was wrong but i continue to say it when are they going to beat a good team?
BubbaChuck3-Who are you to determine whether or not a coach has control over his team? Don't just single out Plevritis....At least Plevritis' players aren't getting hit with T's like some of the other players in conference...or at least they are not fist fighting on the court-John Jay/Brooklyn last week...Whatever occurred with DuBois at the Brooklyn game was probably handled at the game...You should not make comments like that unless you knew exactly what took place....What are you some kind of expert on coaching?
Knight Life....I am not sure if Klingsberg would have made a difference in the York game...The kid put some big numbers up this year; however, he is does not look to pass or look for the open man on offense...In addition, the kid plays no defense....I saw him play at the Brooklyn game and there was a stretch where the kid showed no effort on the defensive end....In response to your comment about York being challenging , at least the kids are in college and they are trying to gain an education and degree....There is nothing wrong with kids using sports as an incentive to earn a college degree.... No matter if a college is challenging or not; in the long run, the only thing that is important is that degree they earn in the end...A college education is a college education....That comment was uncalled for.
Queens-I know I said I retired Hunter talk (lol) and I finally agree with you about Hunter being a middle tier team in the conference. But, what happened with the 20+ victory prediction you had on the game...You have an analysis of the York/Hunter game last night? I could not make it to the game; but I heard it was a good and interesting game...
Hey CUNY guys, I am from the Empire 8 boards... anyone see the Baruch, Stevens game last night.... just need some info on what happened. baruch is a very good team, how did Stevens pull off the win at their gym? Anything? I am actually an RIT guy, but I follow Stevens pretty closley since I work in the city. Thanks for any input.
Cuny,
Sorry i didnt see the game, wish i did now that it was a close game. Hey i said i wasent going to talk about them on the boards i sure as hell wasent going to watch them play. (lol) They will be dangerous and everyone will be wiery of them come tournament time and if rubino and klingsberg gets hot you never know. Hopefully they all stay and they can get a big man for next year.
But CUNY, If thats true what Bubbachuck said about Dubios being in the crowd how could you defend that? I mean thats pretty bad. No matter what the situation there is no excuse for a player leaving the bench and sitting in the crowd, im sorry thats just how i feel.
FROMAFAR,
I thought you were a Stevens guy, sorry about that. Big win for the boys last night. Bad loss for Baruch, there slipping alittle bit.
P.S.- Sorry about the prediction, ill try and do better next time ;)
P.P.S- Did Rhodes Scholar go on vacation? Must be cheating on us with another board! ???
Cuny-
I was told the kid got dressed, left the team and sat in the crowd. This is NCAA College Basketball, not a summer tournament at Rucker Park.
There is absolutely no place for something like that in college basketball, and you can not possibly find a way to justify it.
So its better that Plevritis gets all the techs, putting on a show of theantrics and excessive over reactions, apparently costing his team a chance to stay in games..
And hark who's talking about things they don't know about. You don't know why players are getting technicals, it could be for something as simple as hanging on the rim, or it could be a double technical with kids getting a bit too physical.. You don't know what happened at John Jay, there obviously wasn't a fight because had there been there would have been serious consequences for those involved and it would have been a lot more public.
And all of this has absolutely nothing to do with a kid leaving his team at halftime... that's inexcusable.
Queens-DuBois was in the stands for the BK game....There is probably a reason for this...I heard from a source that Plevritis told DuBois to get dressed and sit in the stands bc of something that was said...Whether it is true or not...that is up for us to debate....I understand that Plevritis has a bumpy start as head coach of Hunter for the past 5 seasons....But you have to remember that he is still young and he is not as seasoned as some of the other coaches in the CUNY such as Rankis, St. John, Petosa, and Podias.....You have to remember-those coaches been around for a while....I think Plevritis may be one of the youngest coaches in the conference when it comes to age....He still has a lot to learn and I am sure he will learn from his mistakes....Like any job: it takes experience in order for you to learn and become better at the profession....If you look at Hunter's roster they are very young and talented with no senior leadership...If Plevritis can build on this and retain the players in his program then I feel he will be making some type of progress in the right direction....It's easy to criticize a young and inexperienced coach....I am sure many of the successful coaches who have been around for 15+ years made many mistakes in their early years of coaching as well....
Bubba-Get your FACTS straight....Punches and kicks (lol) were thrown at the John Jay/Brookyn Game....The ref's had no control over the game...I heard 3 John Jay players were tossed and 1 Brooklyn player was tossed...Until you know what really happened with DuBois you really should not say anything...
Rhodes Scholar...I think we need you back on the CUNY Board for some peer mediation.... :o....What are your thoughts??? ???
Wow. I thought Hunter talk was retired on this board. Now anonymous posters bashing the coach. Wow. There is so much to say but I cant say it.
Cuny-
Who started the fight? Who threw the punches/kicks? Can you be certain that the players in question got thrown out for the fight itself or for the events immediately following the fight. You can't be sure of any of this. So can't really tell me to get my facts straight, if you don't know any facts yourself.
Xalva-
Please say it all. This board has been too inconsistent lately, we can definitley use a new spark.
No Im sorry, I will not subject myself to such disastrous talk about what coaches do and how they get away with certain things. Also, does it matter who started the fight at the brooklyn and John Jay game.
From what I understand (friendly with one of the refs who did the game).. It wasn't much of a fight, John Jay player grabbed someone on Brooklyn around the neck, and people rushed to the spot to break it up.. No punches thrown.... There was no "fight" but more of a scuffle.. The fight I witnessed personally in the championship a few years ago between York & John Jay was much worse.
Bubba,
Please relay this message to your friend who is a CUNY Ref....
-Where do they find the CUNY Refs? Craigslist-The posting says: "Anyone interested in becoming a college basketball referee please contact the CUNY Ref Board....No BASKETBALL Experience, Integrity, and Honesty is required. We will hire anyone...Also, no professionalism is required-We prefer morons...." I mean where in the world do they find these Smucks...? When I see some of the refs I always wonder-has this guy ever picked up a basketball in his life. The CUNY Refs need a lot more practice officiating CYO games because they are awful and at times it is hard to watch some of the games on both the men's and women's side....Every game I go and see both teams shoot over 70 free throws and they call over 50 fouls for the game....Let the kids play and please stop stopping the game after every play...I know what may help----the CUNY Ref board should cut their salary and think about giving the CUNY Refs a good Optical Health Insurance Plan instead.....Their officiating is terrible!
Bubba-Please relay this message to your friend who is a ref....Thanks!
Wow...a lot of topics bouncing around. Barely none about actually basketball.
About Hunter's Coach... I know he's a good guy and knows the game well. Im pretty sure that the administration isn't the most helpful when it comes to eligiblility and moving the program forward. So that could be a factor in the type of players he gets there plus great point about only being a coach for 5 years.
On York - We've all heard some things but it's all speculation unless you get a former player on here to talk about their experience. The one thing we do know is that St. John is the Athletic Director and his assistant coach is the assistant AD. Conflict of interest? I dono.
As far as the refs go. I think 80% of them are pretty good.
But I've said it before, the one call that drives my crazy is immediate charge call when a defender falls even though he wasn't set or slipped in after the offensive player took off. Other than that, I think they are overall pretty decent.
Big game this weekend with BC/Baruch... someone said Baruch is slipping while BC has been playing pretty well. Should be a good one.
The craigslist ref post is an early candidate for post of the year.
To that guy up top of the page who I have never seen post before, I favor no cuny team, but see Hunter games more often because I'm usually in the area. Also, I am far from a racist, nor am I a republican. As for college, I have a degree from an NJAC school.
Danny said it best though about a possible conflict of interest, and I'm not saying they are doing anything wrong, but I just feel as with any conference, there are schools with higher standards on the academic end and ones that have harder and more challenging courses than others. There's a wide gap in the CUNY when you compare schools.
just wanted to comment on the hunter coach. I agree with queens. the reality of the cuny league is that there are a bunch of teams that need to get transfers to be competitive, and there are a few that should be able to get players to remain eligible for 4 years and build some kind of consistency. that is the way you get top recruits to your team, and that is the way to have some kind of a system you believe in as a coach. hunter is a school that can attract students because of their nice academic rep, but when hunter has 2 players returning from the previous year, there is no way to build a team. people talk about klingsberg, but who knows if this kid will even be back next year.
That a big problem within CUNY. Baruch and Hunter are so far superior than the other school academically. Where in other conferences the schools play on a much fairer playing field. But hey it doesnt seem to be effecting Baruch who consistently fields a very competitive team and have the same faces year after year.
The racist comment was out of line for sure, we dont need that on our boards. This has been an entertaining day and probably the best day the cuny board has seen in awhile.
also, about the racism comment.
it is not racist to say that york's student athletes couldn't cut it at hunter. that is not a racist comment, as i know there are players of multiple ethnicities on that team. i DO think it is most likely a stereotype, as i doubt that poster has any idea about the gpa's or overall intelligence of the york players. and who knows if the hunter players are as bright as the york guys either.
It has nothing to do with either team's gpa's. Its a statement to simply say that the courses at one school could be harder than ones at another. Someone could have a 4.0 at one school, yet that could only be a 3.0 at a different school depending on their academic strength.
Racial comments and stereotypes are both the same in the way they are being used on here, your assuming I'm typing York because of their ethnicity or geographical location. I'm just saying there's a good chance the players at Baruch and possibly Hunter have a harder time staying eligible because of the higher academic standards and more competitive courses they offer, than those at other schools in the cunyac.
That in part goes with what was said today as well, in that schools like Hunter are recruiting the wrong type of kids. They are bringing in guys who have a lot of talent, transfers from all levels and places, but not guys who are good academically. Rankis has done it the right way at Baruch by bringing in private school kids like the Molloy kids he has, because odds are they will have a better shot in the classroom at Baruch, than say a juco or community college transfer or a D1 leftover.
If anyone ever has the time, take a look at what sports each school is best at, and it can sometime tell you something about the school and the type of kids that do well at each school.
QuoteThe one thing we do know is that St. John is the Athletic Director and his assistant coach is the assistant AD. Conflict of interest? I dono.
This is actually very common at the Division III level, particularly in the case of institutions that don't have a lot of full-time coaching positions. Coaches do double-duty as administrators so the schools don't have to fund two positions. Just in this conference...
- Baruch men's basketball coach Ray Rankis is the Associate AD
- CCNY baseball coach David York is the Associate AD
- John Jay baseball coach Dan Palumbo is the AD
- Lehman women's basketball coach Eric Harrison is the Assistant AD
- Medgar Evers women's basketball coach Roy Anderson is the AD
- York (NY) men's basketball coach Ronald St. John is the AD
It is easy to build a good program when you have coaches that are being payed a full time salary... When a coach has a double duty on campus it makes it easier for him/her to focus on their team (academics, recruiting, practice, other duties, etc.) .... I am sure it must get difficult at times for part time coaches who are working their full time job off campus and then coaching at a college in the evening...There is a lot more than coaching in college sports...
Knight Life-I am glad you enjoyed the Craigslist Ref Comment..... ...
Danny W-I think your percentage for good refs in the CUNY is just a little inaccurate....And the Survey says ::)10% are ok and are worthy of maybe officiating an AAU or even a PSAL JV game..... But College, no way.... >:(
The life lessons learned from Ron St. John and the York College program go further than the classroom-Knight-life. Its Family and Frienship. If you just dare to venture out of Manhattan and come to Queens and see a York game I will tell you what you will see. You will see former players from 15-20 years ago still showing love to the York program and even parents whose children graduated from York but still come out to support. When you go to York it's for life!! What did the little piggy say to the thumb? Who's Next!!!! Go Cardinals!!!
Knight life, can you name the more competitive courses that Hunter and Baruch offer compared to the other cunyac programs? The NCAA states all u need to stay eligible is 2.0 and if Hunter and Baruch say 2.5, then yes their academic standards are higher, but to say that York players couldn't cut it sounds racist to me because you don't even know them. Let's keep it about BBall and leave inflammatory comments out!!!
I may be sorry for getting into the fray, but can someone tell me what academics and racism have to do with one another? I am not trying to be funny, I truly don't understand ???
Racism and academics have nothing to do with one another.
Also, from my understanding, at certain CUNY schools there is open enrollment where anyone can enroll. Other schools do not have that luxury. So I think this has something to do with what Knight Life has been saying about the academics at one school in comparison to academics at another. and dont kid yourselves, certain schools push certain players through the system and through classes. To say it doesnt happen is pure ignorance.
Quote from: Queens on January 21, 2010, 06:20:02 PM
That a big problem within CUNY. Baruch and Hunter are so far superior than the other school academically. Where in other conferences the schools play on a much fairer playing field.
This statement is a bit off base, look at the other NYC conference, The Skyline.
In that conference you have:
Polytech and Bard which are HIGHLY competitive and very expensive.
Yeshiva, MSV, Sage and St Joe's LI who are less academically competitive than those 2 but still rather competitive and pretty expensive.
Then you have a group of SUNY schools in the league which are way less expensive, way less competitive academically and pretty much can get most players in.
The playing field is definitely not level in the Skyline.
Brooklyn, that makes sense...... but in CUNY why then is Baruch on top, since academically they are also on top........They have quite a few Molloy players as well as Stuyvesant graduate... Both high academis and basketball wise... lets follow this .......... ;)
Has anyone seen Staten Island at all this year, I feel they are always the one left out team on the boards?
Geez, I'm away for one day and all hell breaks loose! ;D This is one of those brushfires that periodically take place on the CUNY board. It's the first one this year, but there have been several others in previous years. I'm also a bit surprised that Zak didn't respond (maybe he didn't have time). Anyway a lot of the posts are entertaining, although just about all of the subject matter has been addressed before. Also, people who post should keep in mind that this is a public forum and some subjects might be handled better behind closed doors.
When it comes to Academics Baruch is by far the hardest school in the conference. Just go to Baruchs website, its rated one of the top schools in the country. The programs and classes offered at Baruch are like non other in the conference. But like Knight Life said Rankis does a great job knowing what type of kids to recruit and from where. Since i been following CUNY basketball the last 5+ years im yet to see an important player from Baruch fail off. The Great Debator- go take a look at baruch business program let me know how York's matches up. I guess you know better than US news and world report's rankings. Just like you told Knight Life to leave Manhattan, it might be time for you to leave the great borough of Queens.
My statement is not off base about the academics bklyn, its right on the money. Any coincidence that Skyline and CUNY are two of the lowest rated conferences in the country? No other conference has the differences academically from school to school. It hurts the conferences big time. The skyline is a joke of a conference this year.
Theres a reason why no one talks about staten island, because there not a good team. Dont worry Hunter will take care of them tonight easily. ( as you know my predictions are always right on the money ;))
Baruch's business school is top notch, but to say Baruch and Hunter are academically superior is somewhat questionable. I think Brooklyn is pretty legit as well academically (being an alum, of course.) Then again, it all depends on the program you are studying.
Few highlights...
Jean-Baptiste is approaching the all-time leading scorer of Brooklyn College.
Christian Montervino from CSI should get his 1,000 pt tonight.
and I believe Petosa from CSI got his 300th win recently.
The referee thing is so subjective; it's not even worth arguing.
gordonmann: I understand the necessity of having personnel with multiple positions to alleviate tight budgets. People were questioning the integrity of the program and I brought up that the checks and balances of eligibility could be compromised when you have an AD who is the coach. Not just on York's case but in all programs.
I give all the Atlantic region coaches a lot of credit.. It's not a very glamorous job. Low pay, no scholarships, low budgets, tough eligibility requirements with no incentives for the students athletes except they might get $10 in meal money for an away game, lol..
Quote from: Queens on January 22, 2010, 03:38:12 PM
My statement is not off base about the academics bklyn, its right on the money. Any coincidence that Skyline and CUNY are two of the lowest rated conferences in the country? No other conference has the differences academically from school to school. It hurts the conferences big time. The skyline is a joke of a conference this year.
When i said it was off base my point pertained to you limiting the discrepency to the CUNY. I was just demonstrating how other conferences, such as the skyline deal with the same issues. I wasnt disagreeing withy ou, just tweaking what you said a bit.
Additionally, I dont think the Skyline is a joke this year...maybe youve seen more games than me.
Quote from: FROMAFAR on January 22, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Brooklyn, that makes sense...... but in CUNY why then is Baruch on top, since academically they are also on top........They have quite a few Molloy players as well as Stuyvesant graduate... Both high academis and basketball wise... lets follow this .......... ;)
I think Baruch is one of the stronglocal teams due to their recruiting. They have kept a core of guys, all good players and im sure good guys, together and have demonstrated success. This is a blueprint I would like to see more local d3 teams follow. Rankis is a guy who polarizes people, some love em some dont, but he has done a helluva job at Baruch, regardless. You have to give him respect.
Hey Danny whats up homie? I see u have some great post on here. To the guy that said Hunter was going to beat CSI, wrong again. Besides Rankis , Coach Petosa should also be noted for recruiting 4 year players who all contribute by at least there senior year. He also makes sure that a majority of them graduate on time. Since someone said not much is said about CSI on here I will do my best to feel that void since I live on the Island.
Yea my predictions days are over. Good thing no one takes actual bets on CUNY basketball or i would be broke.
But Hunter has to be kidding me. Losing to CSI? I've seen CSI play this year, and this shouldnt have happened. This game was at Hunter as well.
Knight Life what happened?
Why do you keep bashing CSI? They have steadily got better throughout the course of the year. They also have two legit bigmen in Young and Ledbetter and when Hennesey and Montervino are hitting threes they are very dangerous. It should also be noted that their improved play has probably been do to the fact that their pt. guard Taranto has stepped up his game nearly getting a triple double in a recent win against Kean. I know their not the most athletic team but they play well together and share the ball. They should at least get a 4 seed for the tourney.
Quote from: Queens on January 23, 2010, 11:29:38 AM
Yea my predictions days are over. Good thing no one takes actual bets on CUNY basketball or i would be broke.
Nostradamus, I mean Queens, it might be time to turn in your crystal ball after all.
Quote from: Queens on January 22, 2010, 03:38:12 PM
My statement is not off base about the academics bklyn, its right on the money. Any coincidence that Skyline and CUNY are two of the lowest rated conferences in the country? No other conference has the differences academically from school to school. It hurts the conferences big time. The skyline is a joke of a conference this year.
I doubt that academics plays much of a role in the relative weakness of the CUNYAC and the Skyline. Part-time coaches, heavy player turnover and weak traditions are more likely causes.
Well Rhodes what do the schools with "tradition" have that most the schools in the CUNY lack? Strong Academics. What is the main cause for player turnover in the CUNY conference? Poor Academics.
I have been bashing CSI, i saw them play last year and once this year. Not impressed. Anyone that knows the two teams, Hunter and CSI, knows this was a shocking outcome. CSI can shoot the ball and if they get hot from three they can surprise someone, but they have zero athletism and wont be able to come close against the big three.
And Rhodes sorry for going out on a limb every now and then, you should try it some time ;). I'll get a prediction right sooner or later.
I guess I have been away for a while Rhodes as there are WAY TOO MANY comments on here that have too little in common with the truth...don't even know where to begin.
First of all, CUNY is one of very few conferences in the nation that MANDATES a 2.0 GPA start to finish. So our student-athletes are prepared for academic success first and foremost. The dropping off players for academic reasons is a very small percentage these days, quite clear to those that know. More often it's work, supporting families and the nature of commuter campuses. Plus our coaches are mostly part-time, so the oversight is not the same, but getting a lot better.
Academically, schools in ALL conferences vary from 1 to 10, so CUNY is no different. For the record, Baruch, Brooklyn, CCNY, Hunter and Queens are Tier 1 in CUNY which makes them tougher to get into (this year, most students needed well over 85). And there is no Open enrollment at the CUNY senior colleges, please get your facts straight.
As for the coaches, the goal is for the kids to graduate, period! Studies have proven that kids with degrees have a much higher success rate in life (i.e. jobs) so I don't care which CUNY school they go to, and what their final GPA is...they get their degree. Our coaches do a great job overall, keeping kids in school on that road and yes, coach St. John has great track record along with most others in our league.
Lastly, young men and women often times need a second chance as everyone makes mistakes (even in choosing a college) and we are here to provide it for them. Coach Plevritis has done a very nice job recruiting quality student-athletes and time will tell if they are quality students first and foremost.
Please don't jump to conclusions until you REALLY know, as is the case with the altercation at John Jay. We deal with each and every case and levy suspensions (and worse) where warranted. As you can see fro m the first post to the truth, the rumors are often blown out of proportion.
Next time Rhodes I will have to read the board from the NCAA Convention. Zak
I still dont understand why it is a shocking win for CSI. They play tuff man to man D and have 2 great big men?
Yea maybe im wrong about CSI. It was just my opinion, Hunter i felt was a superior team. I duno about two great big men. THere both above average players. Marcel is a great big man. And the game i saw vs York he made those two "great big men" look extremely ordinary.
I agree Marcel is in a league of his own, he leads the nation in rebounds for goodness-sake. But for the CUNY they are two great bigmen. For that matter you might say that CSI has the best front line in the CUNY as a group.
Look at the stats=
Mike Ledbetter- 12 pts , 6 rbs, 61 % FG
Jordan Young- 15 pts, 7.6 rbs, 54% FG
Christian Montervino- 15.4 pts, 6.1 rbs, 47% FG, 45 % from 3 pt. range.
I challenged you to find a CUNY team with better frontline production. The main problem with CSI is that they dont have a guard that can create his own shot and just flat out go get it.
Classic ending to Lehman vs. CCNY men's game today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=224zi5MzeO4
I am still trying to figure out how he made that shot?? His body was squared up to the sideline and he shot it off balance with one hand. Pure Luck but fun to watch , thanks for the footage.
Whats up AG? Its been a while.
Check out the around the nation article by Gordon Mann about Brooklyn College.
http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/
just scroll down.
And looks like Brooklyn is getting hot again.... watch out CUNY... big win vs Baruch. ANyone see the game?
I mean lets not get caught up in stats, they have very nice stats but know one fears those 3 players. When you mentioned them i actually did go to CSI's website to see their stats and i was surprised. Young is the best out of the 3. Montivino is a very nice shooter but cant do much else. The problem with CSI is they dont have ANYONE who can create his own shot. And they have 4 good players and the rest of the team is well below average. You were right that they dont get alot of love because i'm a big follower of the conference and i didnt even realize their stats were that good.
I saw the brooklyn/baruch game. Quick point about brooklyns new gym. Its really nice and it was much needed, BUT who ever thought it was a good idea to have these windows around the gym needs to be fired. You have this bright blinding sun glaring throughout the gym into the stands and onto the court. Several times throughout the game the point guards for each team had their off hands up in the air blocking the sun so they could see who to pass to. They need to get blinds up there ASAP. You cannot hold saturday afternoon games in this gym with the sun coming through the windows like that.
The game was pretty much a repeat of the championship game in my opinion. Close game all the way through and in the last 5 minutes baruch cant make a play and Baptiste is getting big buckets and Brooklyn college made all the clutch plays to win the game. Baruch is on a slide right now losing 3 in a row and didnt look good for most of the second half. Brooklyn looked good, Baptiste made some real impressive moves but i dont think he played his best game. No one makes harder shots in the conference than he does. He just a tough cover for anyone, he can do it all. These two teams will match up again in the semis and the energy in the crowd and between the two teams is excellent. Any questions feel free to ask.
Ok since we are nearly done with the regular season...How do you guys think the conference teams are going to look like..as well as Player of the Year and Rookie of the Year???????
This is my first post on D3hoops so I am going to be very blunt about what I think about what is going on in the CUNYAC. First, I will start by saying that I have seen Hunter College play a few times this year but the Hunter vs. CSI game was the last straw, and by the looks of things, Coach P. is in a different mind set than a regular winning coaches such as St. John of York and Rankis of Baruch. The way he plays certain players such as Dubois and Rubino is completely idiotic. They might be division 1 transfers but they are not the key to Hunters success and at times, they hurt the team as does the coaching staff and Coach P himself. The only bright side to the Hunter Hawks is the freshman and sophomore talent they appear to have with Klingsberg, Courtien, Hoffman, and Carpenter who for being the biggest and one of the youngest player in CUNY, seems to have such a limited roll when in comparison to other Hunter big men. The big men that play now are certainly not helping the teams interior presents, especially when it comes to bodying up players like Marcel Esonwune of York College . Its obvious that Coach doesn't realize that these four players are the future of Hunter Basketball and he is doing everything possible to make them want to leave the school, which I assume is alright with Coach P because he will just find a division 1 quick fix and he will end up in the position he is in, unable to beat teams with talent. Not to put all of the blame on Coach P., but the Hunter coaching staff surely is not helping. From my sources, maybe with a few exceptions, the Hunter Coaching staff seems to know very little about the game itself, but on a positive note, they had one of the best recruiting years in CUNY history with the three big freshman and some sophomores. As it stands as of now, the Hunter Hawks are one of the weaker teams in the CUNY and if things continue to go the way they are now, they will just have another weak season and lose the first round of CUNYAC play. During the York game, in a crucial game for the Hawks, they played a kid who hasn't not played more than 5 minutes all season before he played the likes of his good players, and the bad part is they lost by 3! It is coaching decisions like this that will lead to another mediocre season for the Hawks.
CUNYMAN:
Hunter is not one of the weaker teams in the conference...They are not as bad as some of the other teams in the conference....The problem with Hunter is they play inconsistent basketball which puts them in the middle of the pact....I must disagree with you when you say that Rubino hurts the team....Rubino is a solid basketball player and I feel he should at least make 2nd team all-cuny this year....As for the freshmen/sophomores that you mentioned (Klingsberg, Courtien, Hoffman, Carpenter)...the most solid of the four mentioned is Courtien he is a very smart player who plays good defense and plays solid on the offensive end.... Klingsberg is a scorer who does not look to pass, he has a rough time on the defenive end, and it seems like the kid has a poor attitude when on the court....Hoffman is very talented; however, at times he makes poor decisions with the ball-if he gets stronger, Hoffman will be a very good basketball player. Carpenter is a project who shows spurts of potential when in the game...the kid still needs a lot of work....
I agree with about 85 percent of what CUNYMAN said. What i disagree with is Rubino. Rubino is a 1st team all conference player who needs to take over the game and is asked to do alot. Rubino has to rebound the ball, bring the ball up, score the ball, create for others, he has to do everything. It doesnt help that they really have no system or no plays either. Pretty much making it a free lance. Hoffman, the jury is still out on him. I think hes too busy trying to look cool out there then actually playing defense and doing what it takes to run the offense. Courtien is a nice role player and fits well with the rest of the players. Not familiar with Carpenter. The key in my eyes is Klingsberg, they got to find a way to get more out of him. Hes extremely talented but as ive said before the efforts not there. Hunter is a 4-6 seed, middle of the pack.
Rookie of the year -Kingsberg ( cant think of anyone else)
Player of the year- Marcel Esonwnue
Coach of the year- St. John (there not gonna lose a game in conference, although i would give it to medgars coach)
First Team
Baptiste
Hamilton Lopez
Kunkle
Rubino
Hilaire
Second Team
Garvin
Beauchamp
Dubios
Exum
Young
I had alot of trouble with the 2nd team, i feel like im way off but post your opinions. I think my first team is right on. Dont hold me to any of my 2nd team picks i favor players who play on top teams as you can see.
I went to the Baruch @ Brooklyn game on Saturday. Pretty much agree with what Queens had to say (especially about the gym's design). That's the first indoor game I ever went to where I was blinded by the sun. I sat in the third row during the second half and I could barely see for much of the closing stanza. Next time I head to Brooklyn for a day game, I'm going to bring sunglasses, dab some black shoe polish under my eyes, and put on some sunscreen.
Queens...I think you are right on the money for your first and second team conference team predictions....There may be some changes to it depending on how certain teams finish up their season....
For second team I would not count out Montervino and Evelyn....
I think I've heard enough Hunter talk till 2013.
As far as the Brooklyn gym, I totally agree, I think they have plans in the works to fix the issue.
You guys don't give any love to Brooklyn. Why has York been anointed the CUNY champs already? They have to play Brooklyn again. If BC wins and both teams win out. It will come down to some weird tiebreaker since both will have one loss against each other. (Maybe Zak can let us know the Tie breaker?) Maybe St. John and Podias could draw straws.
And if Brooklyn wins out, can Baptiste make a push for POY? He's been playing really well lately. BC and York are both hot right now.
I haven't seen enough CUNY games to give my opinion on any of the All-Cuny teams.
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on January 25, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
I went to the Baruch @ Brooklyn game on Saturday. Pretty much agree with what Queens had to say (especially about the gym's design). That's the first indoor game I ever went to where I was blinded by the sun. I sat in the third row during the second half and I could barely see for much of the closing stanza. Next time I head to Brooklyn for a day game, I'm going to bring sunglasses, dab some black shoe polish under my eyes, and put on some sunscreen.
CUNY, We play on the roof and we play in the subway.
Sorry guys, was gone all weekend, I missed out on all the fun. Friday night was real simple, CSI really wanted to win that game and Hunter, much like the knicks did yesterday, never showed up to play.
I haven't been to the Brooklyn gym yet, is it any worse than Lehman during the day, they have a lot of sun coming into the gym?
Wow, we got the infamous knightstalker to post on the cuny board. CUNY does seem to play where they can, although I know it doesn't have the same vibe and charm as Harvard on the Boulevard. I can't walk outisde the Arc or the "Dog House" and grab a burger and fries from the diner.
Quote from: knight_life on January 25, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
I haven't been to the Brooklyn gym yet, is it any worse than Lehman during the day, they have a lot of sun coming into the gym?
The courts at Orchard Beach in August have less sun than Brooklyn's gym.
Ensownue has to get POY. He leads the COUNTRY in rebounds and blocks. Hes at 16 pts 15 rebounds and 4 blocks. Baptiste is the most talented player and overall a most skilled player in the league but Marcel ( im sick of spelling his last name wrong) changes the game on both ends and more importantly on the defensive end. He really takes away your whole game inside the paint. If Baptiste was to win the POY this year it would be based on his Career not this year.
I think any of the three top teams can win the championship. York, Brooklyn or Baruch are all more than capable of winning it all. I wont be surprised in the least bit if any of those teams win it all. No one is looking past brooklyn, their the defending champs, but York is the favorite right now in my eyes.
Food for thought
What do all the players in my first team have in common?
-All played in the CHSAA
Here you go, our tie-breaking rule. Zak
Tiebreakers in all sports
1. Won / loss conference record only
2. Head to head results between tied teams only
3a. Won / loss divisional record only (if applicable, otherwise use 3b)
3b. Won / loss collective record versus all teams seeded higher than tied teams. (ex. If two teams are tied for 4th spot, use collective record vs. top three seeds)
4. Record vs. conference opponents, from top to bottom.
5. Record (by winning percentage) vs. common non-conference opponents.
6. Record vs. currently ranked NCAA regional teams; region may vary from sport to sport.
7. Coin flip in every case except for the last seed, in which case a playoff game is required to be played.
* In all scenarios, including if multiple teams are tied, once one team is seeded, we put all the remaining teams in the pool and begin the procedure from the start.
Did anyone catch the CSI- Stevens game last night...........Is Stevens that good, or is CSI that bad.......... Stevens basically had there way all night long.......Could have named the score...Hennessy 1-9 from the field.........??
Most of Youngs points from free throw line.... ;)
Stevens team as individuals is not that good. The coaching staff there does an amazing job putting in a system that will make each of the players as successfull as possible. It was probably a case of Stevens doing a great job of scouting CSI knowing all the players tendencys and all there plays. Stevens Head Coach and staff is one of the best in the region. And like i said CSI is not that good.
The bottom line with CSI is when Hennessey and Montervino dont make shots they will struggle. That is exactly what happened last night. I dont consider losing to Stevens to be that disapointing they have more than 10 wins on the year and also beat Baruch as well.
I haven't seen CSI play this year, but judging from their record they seem to be a little better than they have been in recent years. Nonetheless whenever they play a good team it seems to mean an automatic loss. It looks like the Dolphins' best win of the year was against Hunter.
Queens..I am confused.........last year they had Grey, Passalaqua and Baker.........They lost 60% of their scoring from a team that was 13-13 Clearly either under-achieved and was poorly coached..... or completely over-rated...... They are 13-4 this year, and it appears rather than a two man team, they are getting the ball inside to Smith (who is getting it in there?) .... The scheme is not different the players are.........This team is more cohesive and appear to be having fun........They have some very talented players, Smith is strong and quick for a 4-5...(can't shoot Fouls shots though), Cutri can bury the 3 at a 45% rate, and check out Greco's stats.... Steals assists, and his defense on scoring guards. JUST leads the team on the court....Tough and brash....Higgans is shooting close to 50%, I THINK, from the field as well. Masone biggest heart and another tough kid. I follow this team, trust me, they have talent.... Hi basketball IQ....The coaching may be getting better, due to these guys making them look good. Hey, 4 time outs left in the NAZ game, Stevens with the ball, and nothing set up.... Up 12 with 5 min. to play in Ithaca game and they stop playing offense, and let Ithaca back in....NYU game what was up there... Higgans and Greco sit more than half a game??? Listen the coaches appear to be nice guys, and could be good, but don't sell any of these guys short... This team has talent... ask Baruch, and CSI from the CUNY. I know my guys RIT couldn't handle them...... That being said, I am not annointing them either, they have work to do as do the Tigers who I haven't given up on....Sorry for going off a little but I have follwoed this team the last 3 years since some of my colleagues are Stevens Grads, and I work in the city.....Hey what do a bunch of engineers know anyway.. ;)
The team is stronger than the sum of its parts. Stevens as individuals is not that impressive. Greco is a solid PG but nothing overwhelming. But they play really well as a team and there offense wears you down. They move the ball really well and are extremely unselfish. Not taking anything away from Stevens they got a very nice team. I think there staff is doing an amazing job this season. I think they put in a new offense i dont recall them running this offense last season. Playing CUNY teams and playing teams in their conference are alot different.
But what do i know.... :P
Queens you are the $ about them not running this offense last year...... They couldn't they didn't have point guard, Passalaqua just stood around waiting for a 3 and Grey was frustrated because no one got him the ball... he had to create for himself............
BUT the big news..............RIT.... over ALfred... that's a start.. and I think you KNOW A LOT ;)
Regional Rankings are coming out soon. Who is in the top 5?
Here are my picks:
1. William Patterson 18-1 NJAC (7-0)
2. Ramapo 14-4 NJAC (5-2)
3. Stockton 14-5 NJAC (4-3)
4. Stevens 13-4 E8 (6-3)
5. York 14-5 CUNY (7-0)
Honorable Mention
Rowan 13-5 (4-3)
Brooklyn 12-5 (7-1)
Baruch 13-5 (5-2)
Old Westbury 12-5 (10-2)
Quote from: THE GREAT DEBATOR on January 27, 2010, 07:49:25 AM
Regional Rankings are coming out soon. Who is in the top 5?
Here are my picks:
1. William Patterson 18-1 NJAC (7-0)
2. Ramapo 14-4 NJAC (5-2)
3. Stockton 14-5 NJAC (4-3)
4. Stevens 13-4 E8 (6-3)
5. York 14-5 CUNY (7-0)
Honorable Mention
Rowan 13-5 (4-3)
Brooklyn 12-5 (7-1)
Baruch 13-5 (5-2)
Old Westbury 12-5 (10-2)
KnightSlappy, who has crunched the numbers, has come up with the following rankings for games through Sunday (which are posted in the Pool C room on the Multi-Region board):
1. WPU
2. Stockton
3. Ramapo
4. York
5. Rowan
6. MSU
7. Baruch
BTW Stevens is in the East region, not the Atlantic.
york loses to ccny???
WHAAA?! ???
Rhodes are you sure about Stevens being in the East? Didn't they play in the ATLANTIV ECAC the last few years? I follow them but not that closely? I know they didn't play in the EAST ECAC last year?
York beat CCNY. 84-72
Stevens plays in the East region and so does NYU even though they play in the Atlantic ECAC. I dont know all the rules or why this is, its probably a money issue. Can we get the Godfather of D3hoops, Mr. Pat Coleman for a ruling?
in March 2008 York lost to Stevens in ECAC Championship game but beat NYU to get to Championship Game. So why are they playing in Atlantic ECAC if they are in the East Region? Your guess is as good as mine..
A few observations:
York is 8-0 in conference action and has won 11 in a row. I don't remember any CUNY team going undefeated in conference play. About 4 or 5 years ago Baruch came close, but lost in the final regular season game to Lehman. York has five conference games left, with four of them at home. There is a good chance that the Cardinals could be undefeated going into the final conference game of the year on Feb. 12 at home against Brooklyn.
Brooklyn is 7-1 in league play and has won 7 in a row. The Bulldogs' sole loss was at home to York, 68-67.
Baruch is 6-2 in CUNY action, losing close games on the road to York and Brooklyn.
All three teams are evenly matched, but as I pointed out earlier Baruch is clearly the least athletic of the three. This has been a problem for them in the past against York and it was somewhat in evidence last Saturday against Brooklyn. In addition, the Bearcats probably have the weakest bench of the three and that can hurt them as well.
Rhodes Scholar your slipping, Baruch went undefeated in conference play season, lost in the championship. Come on guy, your better than that!
Quote from: Queens on January 28, 2010, 07:47:47 PM
Rhodes Scholar your slipping, Baruch went undefeated in conference play season, lost in the championship. Come on guy, your better than that!
Queens: You're right. I remember the close win over Brooklyn at Baruch and the championship loss, but I completely forgot about them going undefeated. I guess I better start taking ginko biloba.
On a sad note, I would like to acknowledge the passing of former CCNY basketball coach, and athletic administrator, Gary Smith. Gary passed on Thursday after a courageous battle against cancer. Services for Gary will be this coming Sunday @4pm at:
Granby's Funeral Service Inc
4021 White Plains Road
Bronx, New York 10466
Gary was a great coach, administrator, and friend, and he will be missed.
Medgar Evers beats CSI 95-87.
Baruch beats Hunter 82-68.
York wins 12th in a row over NYC Tech by 30..
Marcel had 30pts and 18 Rebs.
Did anyone see Medgar game? The coach from MEC has definitely done a great job this season
January 30, 2010, 1:51AM
Medgar Evers derailed a frantic College of Staten Island finish by scoring the last eight points of Friday night's 95-87 CUNY Conference victory over the Dolphins in Brooklyn.
CSI, which dropped to 5-4 in conference play and 10-10 overall, had taken advantage of three consecutive Ryan Hennessey 3-point shots to erase a late 82-72 deficit.
Michael Ledbetter's layup pulled CSI even at 87-87 with 48.2 seconds remaining.
But the Cougars responded quickly at the other end, as Ronald Holloway's driving layup was followed by a costly CSI turnover that was converted into two free throws.
Medgar Evers (4-5, 10-11) iced the triumph as Jarrel Deare and Holloway sank four straight foul shots in the final 20 seconds.
"The sense of urgency we showed shouldn't have been in the final five minutes," said CSI assistant coach Vinny Messina. "It should have been in the first five minutes of the game."
The Cougars swept the two-game season series between the two schools for the first time since 1992-93. CSI holds a 50-16 all-time lead.
Holloway, a senior guard, paced the winners with 29 points on 10-of-16 shooting, while freshman swingman Jovan Deare added 24.
Medgar Evers enjoyed a commanding 52-33 rebounding edge with 17 offensive boards. Winston Douglas, another freshman, had 14 points and 12 rebounds, and Marquis Jones pulled down 11 rebounds.
Ledbetter topped CSI with 24 points while Jordan Young and Christian Montervino added 21 apiece. Hennessey heated up late for most of his 15 points.
"The problem was they killed us on the glass," said Messina. "They got to the basket all night and Holloway was making shots from everywhere on the court."
Young's foul problems hurt the Dolphins. The sophomore forward drew his fourth seven minutes into the second half and fouled out with 5:21 remaining.
Medgar Evers took a 79-70 lead on Jones' layup with four minutes left.
That's when Hennessey got hot from downtown and when the Dolphins looked like they might steal a conference road game.
But it was too little, too late.
NOTES: Medgar Evers sank 32 of 42 free throws while CSI went 14 of 21 from the line. ... The Dolphins return to play Wednesday night at York, which improved to 9-0 in the CUNY and 16-5 overall with its 12th straight win last night.
I watched Brooklyn beat Lehman, 75-68, earlier today in the Bronx. This game was close throughout with Brooklyn up 35-31 at the half. Lehman moved ahead for the first time with about 12 minutes left in the closing stanza. A short jumper by Alan Kellman gave the Lightning their biggest lead of the game, 54-49. After that Richard Jean-Baptiste began to assert himself and the tide turned in Brooklyn's favor. Baptiste had basically been sleepwalking through the game for the first 30 minutes but he got it done down the stretch. Nonetheless Lehman refused to fold and the game was tied at 66 with a minute to go. An Amil John three-pointer gave Brooklyn a 69-66 lead with about 55 seconds remaining and the Bulldogs never looked back.
Baptiste led the way for Brooklyn with 21 points, while John added 16 and Darnell Cudjoe finished with 12. Lehman was led by Perry Daniel with 22 points, followed by Xavier Garvin with 15 and Jonathan DeJesus with 10.
Here's how the CUNY teams rate according to the following formula (applied to conference games only):
home win (0)
home loss (-1)
road win (1)
road loss (0)
1. York (6)
2. Brooklyn (3)
3. Baruch (2)
4. Medgar Evers (1)
5. CSI (0)
6. Lehman (-1)
7. Hunter (-2)
8. John Jay (-2)
9. CCNY (-2)
10. City Tech (-5)
Here's how Massey ranks the top 10 teams in the Atlantic region through last night's games (national ranking in parentheses):
1. William Paterson (9)
2. Stockton (70)
3. R-Newark (72)
4. York (80)
5. Ramapo (86)
6. Baruch (91)
7. Rowan (120)
8. Brooklyn (125)
9. TCNJ (141)
10. St. Joseph's, LI (154)
I have some questions for Mr. Massey:
1. How were these naitonal rankings done?
2. What format was used to tabulated these results?
3. Where can I find these results?
(Rutgers-Newark just beat Stockton)
Quote from: THE GREAT DEBATOR on February 02, 2010, 02:11:37 PM
I have some questions for Mr. Massey:
1. How were these naitonal rankings done?
2. What format was used to tabulated these results?
3. Where can I find these results?
(Rutgers-Newark just beat Stockton)
All of your questions can be answered at his site: www.masseyratings.com
I just finished looking over Baruch's results and discovered that the Bearcats haven't beaten a solid team since Dec. 7, when they defeated Rutgers-Newark. Since then, they have lost every one of their games against quality opposition: @York, @ William Paterson, Stevens, @ Brooklyn, and SUNY-Martime. It should be noted that all of the losses were close and two were in OT, including a double overtime loss to #13 William Paterson, but they were all losses nonetheless.
I understand it's all mathematical but Baruch over Brooklyn? And if BC beats York, I think they will still have BC bhind York and Baruch.
Rhodes, do the Massey ratings have any input when it comes to ECAC or NCAA selection?
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on February 03, 2010, 03:48:03 PM
Rhodes, do the Massey ratings have any input when it comes to ECAC or NCAA selection?
The Massey ratings have no influence on the NCAA or ECAC selection process.
BTW the first regional rankings from the NCAA are out. These are the only rankings that matter for the NCAA tourney. The full list can be accessed from the front page of this site. Here's the list for the Atlantic region (overall record followed by in-region record):
1. William Paterson 20-1 (19-1)
2. Merchant Marine 16-4 (15-4)
3. Ramapo 15-5 (14-4)
4. York 16-5 (13-5)
5. Stockton 14-6 (14-5)
When do the new regional rankings come out again? William Patterson just beat Ramapo. Now Ramapo is 15-6, 14-5 in region..
FYI- the reason why Stevens and NYU have been playing in Atlantic Region ECAC tournament was due to their schools location (proximity to their own region)----traveling miles are to far for them....
Quote from: THE GREAT DEBATOR on February 04, 2010, 07:55:03 AM
FYI- the reason why Stevens and NYU have been playing in Atlantic Region ECAC tournament was due to their schools location (proximity to their own region)----traveling miles are to far for them....
That doesnt seem to make any sense to me though. If you're in the East, you should play in the East ECAC, if you're playing in the Atlantic ECAC due to location than essentially you're in the Atlantic and should be classified as such.
Additionally, if you're an East team who plays in the Atlantic ECAC you are stealing spots from potential Atlantic teams who could and should be in the Atlantic ECAC, you're not supposed to be there. ???
Quote from: BklynBasketball on February 04, 2010, 08:52:31 AM
Quote from: THE GREAT DEBATOR on February 04, 2010, 07:55:03 AM
FYI- the reason why Stevens and NYU have been playing in Atlantic Region ECAC tournament was due to their schools location (proximity to their own region)----traveling miles are to far for them....
That doesnt seem to make any sense to me though. If you're in the East, you should play in the East ECAC, if you're playing in the Atlantic ECAC due to location than essentially you're in the Atlantic and should be classified as such.
Additionally, if you're an East team who plays in the Atlantic ECAC you are stealing spots from potential Atlantic teams who could and should be in the Atlantic ECAC, you're not supposed to be there. ???
The ECAC only uses four geographical regions, New England, Upstate, Metro and South.
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/winter/mbkb/Championships/PastChampionsIII
Here's a list of CUNYAC players who rank in the top ten in various statistical categories nationally (through games of 1/31/10):
Points per game
6. Gabriel Davis, City Tech (22.9)
Three point field goals per game
3. Nick Hamilton Lopez, York (3.6)
4. Ryan Hennessey, CSI (3.5)
Rebounds per game
1. Marcel Ensonwune, York (15.3)
Blocks per game
4. Marcel Ensonwune, York (3.3)
Steals per game
10. Ryan Exum, York (2.9)
Medgar Evers 68 @ York 56 :o
Was at game. No fluke, MEC took over in the last 15 min of game.
York leaves the door wide open for BC to take the crown.
Looked at the box score. Looks like both teams shot terribly.
Lopez had a bad game, was in foul trouble and Marcel received a tech.
Did ME pick up anybody new? or did they just outplay them? Could be the dark horse in the CUNY tourney.
I been saying it all year Medgar coach should get Coach of the Year. This team has been a joke the last bunch of years and in one year he has made this team a legitmate team.
Some interesting things about this game just based on the box score.
Exum 5 fouls
NHL (hamilton lopez) 4 fouls
york 5 for 20 from the foul line and 3 for 15 from the three.
Medgar 22 for 25 from the line.
Medgar will be a dangerous team from the 5 to 7 slot
Medgar is definitely looking good going into playoffs..Yesterday was a big win for them. I attended the game yesterday and was shocked how Medgar shutdown Yorks two best players. ME has all elements to sneak a Cuny Championship. Holloway is a streaky scorer but when hes on, he can put up some numbers. Sharpe is playing like the senior leader they need him to be. They had a Kid who came off the bench (baserath?) who locked Lopez down. He was in his chest the whole game. There solid inside, they actually outrebounded York to everyones surprise. York wasnt ready for what hit them. I believe Cuny is wide open this year, very competitive conference now especially with ME stepping up to the Challenge. The Coach of Medgar deserves the coach of the year.
I took in the Medgar Evers @ York game last night and needless to say I was very impressed with Medgar's performance. The Cougars came prepared to win and played with great confidence and poise. The game was competitive from the start until about 8 minutes left in the second half when Medgar began to pull away. There was no doubt about this one as Medgar Evers won it decisively, thoroughly outplaying York down the stretch.
After watching last night's game it's very hard to believe that Medgar Evers is 5-6 in the conference. They have athleticism, decent depth and play bigger than their size. Kallai Sharpe is a good point guard. Ronald Holloway can score and defend. And Winston Douglas rebounded and defended very well. Plus Marquis Jones revealed a pretty good overall game.
Marcel Esonwune had a good game for York, and he had 8 blocks, but he did not dominate the game and did not get much help from his teammates. Plus Medgar Evers repeatedly got offensive boards against the Cardinals all night long, which helped seal their fate. Hamilton-Lopez hurt his shoulder about 3 minutes into the game and never managed to get going. Plus Exum was in foul trouble and without him York had no one to step up and direct the offense.
All in all a very nice win for Medgar but it's only one game. It goes to show that York is not invincible, but at the same time one game does not demonstrate that Medgar is as good as the big three either.
Medgars 5-6 in conference record is deceiving. If you have followed this team like I have, you have seen a performance like this coming. What people don't realize is that due to injuries, academic problems and the coach suspending players for not adhering to team rules, this past Wednesday vs Brooklyn was the first day his whole team was together this season. 9 of their 12 players are freshmen or transfers new to the program. They are young and inexperienced in how to win. They blew big leads at Lehman(18) and Hunter(14) and have played everybody tough, the brooklyn score was deceiving. MEC was up 10 w/ 4min to go in half, they got into foul trouble and BK's experience to over in the 2nd half. There was a buzz @ MEC on wed. night that I have never seen, it was a playoff like atmosphere and finally having everyone together Coach felt his team was overhyped and BK is is an experienced team who kept their composure and whethered the initial storm early in the game. He feels his team needs to learn to get not to high or low. That being said it was very impressive to see the poise and composure down the stretch last night @ york. Sometimes a team gets that breakthrough win late in the season and makes a big run. They have been in position to finish games all year and haven't (even games they won CSI, CTECH). He is trying to teach kids that have never won and kids with no basketball experience at the college level how to win. They are a year or two away from being a championship caliber team, ;) but after watching them last night, he may be ahead of schedule. That being said, they're probably going to be in a dogfight with John Jay on wed.. ???
Coach has come in and instilled discipline and organization that hasn't been present @ MEC in forever. He had to change the whole losing culture and attitude at MEC and i am really impressed because I didn't think it could be done in 3 yrs. let alone 3 months. He has sacrificed some short term wins for disciplining players that weren't living up to HIS standards behavioral wise. In doing this he may have sacrified some wins but he established a new standard for the players in his program. He made rules and stuck by them and he kicked a few talented players off the team to send a message to the others that any behavior or personal agenda not beneficial to the success of the program would not be tolerated, NO EXCEPTIONS. He inherited a program 2-48 in the last two years and has totally changed the culture and expectations for this program going forward. I really hope the athletic dept. supports coach and gives him the opportunity to build this program.
P.S. If there was any doubt who was coach of the year, after beating St. John @ york it would be a travesty if he didn't win it >:(
Sorry for the long rant just hasn,t been much to get excited for about MEC b-ball for a long time ;D
Baruch rallies for 89-83 overtime win over CSI men
Pain can be measured by varying degrees, but Baruch's 89-83 overtime win over the College of Staten Island on Saturday afternoon hurt the Dolphins in more ways than one.
For starters, CSI squandered a six-point lead in the final 44 seconds of regulation, then missed two free throws with 4.9 seconds remaining in a 74-74 game.
Ouch.
And the Dolphins did themselves no favors in their quest for a first-round home game in the upcoming CUNY Conference tourney. In fact, they probably can pack their bags for a do-or-die contest on the road.
"It was a great game," said CSI coach Tony Petosa after one of his team's top efforts of the season. "But in my mind, it's not over until you have a 10-point lead with three seconds remaining."
Baruch (9-2 CUNY, 17-6 overall) pulled out the tough road win without injured senior forward George Kunkel and his school-record 1,021 career rebounds.
CSI dropped to 5-6 and 10-12 with its fourth straight loss over a murderous stretch of schedule that concludes Wednesday night at red-hot Brooklyn College (10-1,16-5).
Baruch forced overtime after Lionel Hilaire's 4-point play — a long-range 3-pointer from the right wing combined with Christian Montervino's fifth foul — cut the deficit to 73-71. Tammer Farid followed with a 3-pointer from the top that made it 74-74 with 15 ticks remaining.
CSI sophomore center Michael Ledbetter, who had a dominating 28-point, 14-rebound outing, grabbed an offensive rebound, was fouled, and stepped to the line. He missed both shots and Baruch had new life.
Hilaire's three-pointer from the top gave the Bearcats a 84-81 lead with 1:18 left in overtime, and four consecutive free throws from Hilaire and Chris Beauchamp put the game away.
"Good teams find a way to win," said Petosa. "And they found a way to win."
Beauchamp had a monster game for the visitors: 22 points, 13 rebounds, seven assists and four steals.
"He's becoming a high level player in this conference," praised Petosa of the 6-foot-1 swingman from Xavier High School. "He's really upped his productivity."
Hilaire added 20 points, inside man Sean Loftus added 18 and Farid 13.
Sophomore center Jordan Young worked wonderfully with Ledbetter in the paint, finishing with 22 points, eight assists and seven rebounds.
But the Dolphins struggled with 3-for-16 shooting from downtown, and looked sloppy at times with 20 costly turnovers.
At the end, they let a chance at a victory slip away.
And it all added up to a painful afternoon in Willowbrook
CSI game was only close because Kunkel didnt play. If hes out there its totally different ball game. He is the heart and soul of the Baruch squad and without him Baruch is going to hard time come playoff time. I saw ledbedder had 28 and 14 monster game, only a sophmore too. Him and Young gonna be a force to be reckoned with the next couple of years. If coach petosa can get a couple of play making guards or wings watch out for the Dolpins.
Kunkel doesnt get much mention on these boards but he has had one of the best careers in the history of the CUNY conference. 1000+ pts and 1000+ rebounds i dont know how many players in the conference history can say that. His game is not flashy but hes a david lee or tyler hansborough type player. Every time you check the box score its 14 and 12. Just wanted to show some love to one of the great players in the conference history.
Does anyone know what's wrong with Kunkle? Why he missed the CSI game?
Tonight's the big one: Brooklyn @ York. Both teams are 10-1. Brooklyn has won 12 games in a row, while York has won 13 of their last 14. The teams met earlier in the season at Brooklyn and York prevailed 68-67. In that game York dominated the boards, outrebounding the Bulldogs by a 54-31 margin. Ensonwune had a huge game: 25 points and 23 rebounds and Hamilton-Lopez added 20 points. Brooklyn was led by RJB with 17 points followed by John with 14.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on February 07, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
Does anyone know what's wrong with Kunkle? Why he missed the CSI game?
Whatever it was it wasn't serious because Kunkle played yesterday against City Tech.
Also the second regional rankings were released on Wednesday. The Atlantic region had no CUNY teams:
1. WPU
2. Merchant Marine
3. Ramapo
4. Rutgers-Newark
5. Richard Stockton
If you weren't at the York vs. Brooklyn game tonight you missed a great game!!! Overtime win for York by 1 point again. Marcel had another monster game: 32 points, 24 Rebs and 12 blocks. His first career triple double.. Big time players step up at big time games. It was for first place and bragging rights. If this was a prelude to the Cuny finals I would be there in a heart beat. Brooklyn and York were slugging it out all night. Baptiste and Marcel wanted to win this game. Not to leave out Amil John who had 29 points and 14 Rebs.. I can't wait to see this game on the Cuny channel.. When does this game come on? Zak?? It was anybody's game and BC had several shots at end of overtime to win but fell short.. The game had a championship atmosphere and the fans weren't disappointed at all..
Great Debator:
If this game tonight is a preview of the championship game.. You will be there.. Seeing as you are an assistant coach for York.. (Really think coach's with biased opinions should refrain from posting on the boards)
That being said, it seems that this game certainly did not disappoint. Seeing the box score, Brooklyn certainly seemed to beat themselves in this game. They lost by a single point yet they missed 10 free throws, and were 0-15 from 3 pt range... Hard to win games that way.
On the kid Marcel, with each passing game it becomes clear that York is very fortunate to have him. His athleticism and game changing defensive ability should have him at a much better basketball program than York, he could easily be a Division II player. York should count their blessings, for they would be a mediocre team without him. But then again what would Baruch be without Kunkle, what would Brooklyn be without Baptiste?
Marcel has as much of an impact on his team than anyone in the region, perhaps the nation.
Great points Bubba.
York without Marcel would be a sub par team. They have bad defensive players that get away with murder because Marcel is back there to protect all their mistakes. Also, all the missed shots get rebounded. Marcel had 13 offensive rebounds yesterday. He will be a first team all american and could be pre season national player of the year next season.
Do you think he could play Low D1 at like MAAC or NEC school? I dont think there is any doubt that he could.
I also saw the Brooklyn @ York game last night. Both teams are very evenly matched but York has managed to prevail by one point in both games.
I've seen Esonwune play about a dozen times, but last night's performance really stood out. He's the best shot blocker I've ever seen in the D3 ranks because he covers far more ground and is much quicker to the ball than anyone else I've ever seen. I think he's better than Neal Edwards, Joe Henderson and Shacun Malave, all of whom were outstanding shot blockers. He's also an excellent offensive and defensive rebounder. He doesn't rely purely on his leaping ability, but boxes out and has a very good nose for the ball as well. Plus he's stronger than he looks, plays a physical game and is very aggressive as well. The weakest part of his game is on offense and he's not too shabby there either. He's got much better range than when he began as a freshman and his low post game is improving as well. Plus he gets a lot of putbacks and tip-ins. All in all he's clearly an All-American and one of the top players in the country.
RJB is also a legit All-American but he's not as dominant a player as Esonwune. Marcel is a force every second he's out there while RJB does it more in stretches.
Amil John is an outstanding all-around player as well. He's very athletic, super quick and a great defender. He can drive to the hoop and finish. Plus he can rebound among much bigger players. The weakest part of his game is his outside shooting and that seems to be improving.
Why is Marcel playing at York and not a NEC school like St.Francis ? For sure he could play at that level. He must not have the grades to play anywhere else but York. ;D
I really dislike when people question players' choices of schools, as if basketball is the only reason why a college is chosen! Please stop your stupid and ignorant comments !!! Has anyone stopped to think that no one wanted, recruited or paid special attention to a kid that hails from a foreign country and is quite raw with his talents in NYC? Has anyone considered that perhaps a coach (or a staff) is often the second parent that some kids need to be pushed to achieve academically and on the court? Have you Bubba Chuck thought about the hard work that the York coaching staff put in with Marcel to improve his play to this level in just 2 years? I doubt many looked twice at him 2 years ago.
Could it also be that Marcel LIKES York as a school and what it offers him as an individual??? Do you think that some of those D 1 and D 2 schools in the area are better academically than York or other CUNY schools ? Is it not a fact that most of the private schools in the nation will accept a kid, any kid, if he can walk, chew gum and pay the $35-40,000 annual tuition? And in CUNY we actually have standards for admission, whatever they may be school to school and all student-athletes must have a 2.0 to play sports. I am a little disturbed by AG, you ought to know better as a former player and coach.
These kids are not in D3 and in CUNY for basketball; could it be that they don't want to be playing ball 24/7/365 and actually go to get a degree and have a balanced college life? A shocking concept !!!
It's quite easy to post on here, but a little more difficult to post facts, as you might actually need to know them first.
PS - Assuming that Marcel doesn't have the grades is a low-blow to him as a person. And why would you assume that ?
Here we go again!!! This is why I visit Posting Up Bubba. When folks make disparaging comments, like questioning someones academic abilities without knowing the person, I find it very offensive. I never heard anyone question why RJB is at BC or at a low level D1 school or question his academic ability to do so.. I'm happy RJB is at BC and Marcel is at York because it brings some light to CUNY when you have All American players at your school. These type of players give your conference a boost, plus it helps with recruiting. Let's keep it about BBall fellas...
Thank u Zak for setting the record straight.....
To both Zak & Debator:
Please read what I said before making an ill advised statement against it. I did not say anything that was an inclination of Marcel's lack of intelligence. I paid the kid a compliment saying that he is way too good for this conference, and if you can find someone who disagrees with me, I'd love to meet him. This kid can and should be playing, on FULL scholarship mind you, somewhere much better than York. As should Baptiste be somewhere much better than Brooklyn.
Zak:
As I have seen players much worse than Marcel goes D1 or D2, yes I find it hard to believe that he chose York just to get a degree. It could have been the fact that he is from another country, yet still people like Thabeet were found. As was Majok that is now at UConn. Not to suggest that Marcel can play at that level, but simply to emphasize the fact that had Marcel played a year at a prep school or well known JuCo that we may very well be watching him play on CBS in the NCAA tourney in March rather than waiting two weeks to watch him play on the CUNY channel...
I'm also 99% positive Marcel would relish the opportunity to play basketball 24/7/365 (366 in leap year Zak) than obtain his CUNY degree and venture out into the workforce.
Zak,
Can you tell me why the refs in the CUNY are so bad? Zak, give me your honest opinion, do you think that most of the CUNY refs are competent of referring a college basketball game? Yea, I know they may be certified, know the rules and have the mechanics down; anyone is capable of memorizing an officiating book with the college basketball rules. But, when it comes to calling a game, a majority of the refs are clueless and just awful. I think you or whoever is responsible for assigning the refs should reevaluate about 80% of them for next year.
Quote from: Zak on February 13, 2010, 11:54:47 PM
Is it not a fact that most of the private schools in the nation will accept a kid, any kid, if he can walk, chew gum and pay the $35-40,000 annual tuition?
No. It's not a fact at all. That's an interesting accusation to throw out here.
Zak you are 100% right I should not have said that about Marcel , he is probably a good student. I apologize. I typed the comment before I thought it out. My comment should have been more about my belief that York can get anyone elgible to play for their program. It has been built on transfers and Juco players. I still have a fishy feeling on the transfer of Denis Echols 3 years back. My personal opinion is if you asked other coaches around the league if the York program is legit with the focus on academics and graduating they would tell you otherwise.
Zak on another note could you explain the CUNY alumni game more?
Only reason it was brought up was because of his talent and athletism. I dont know how grades or anything like came up. His athletism is D1 quality, if he was from this country he would without a doubt be a division 1 player, he just didnt have the exposure. RJB doesnt get questioned for being at BC because hes not a D1 player, where i think Marcel is. Stop with the grades stuff on here. Its not the place for it.
Yea Zak Ballsy comment on the private schools will take anyone who can pay 35,000-40,000 a year. As you expected more from Coach AG, we all expect more from you. Thats a ridiculous comment from someone of your position.
Also if Marcel had the oppertunity to play D1 he would have. Free tutition. And to Zaks comment on maybe he didnt want to play basketball 24/7. I'm willing to wager Marcel plays overseas after college. Debator you disagree that he will be overseas playing pro ball after next season?
I noticed Marcel has a brother playing at Queens CC. Does anyone know if his game is similiar. Interested to see if he lands at York next year.
Queens:
Have to disagree with you here. Marcel is without a doubt a D1 athlete. However, I feel that RJB would certainly be able to play D1 in a conference such as the NEC. He is a very versaitaile player that can score in just about anyway and certainly could dominant defensively if he put in the effort. I think it would be foolish to say he is not talented enough to play at the right Division I.
That being said, I certainly think it was extremely careless of Zak to say suggest something so reckless. As an authority figure and the head of our conference he should be embarrassed of himself for saying something like that.
I agree Bubba, RJB could mos def play at more than a few D1 schools. Me living on Staten Island I know Wagner could use him right now. He is a very skilled offensive player.
i agree with queens about baptiste. In my mind not a d1 player. by that, of course i mean a scholarship player. His game would get eaten up by d1 defenders.
I honestly am not so sure marcel is a d1 player. His athleticism is obviously top notch. Pro level even. But Ive seen him play a few times, and he is not even a good finisher unless he can dunk it. Ive seen him miss lay ups on a constant basis. when you level the field with his size and athleticism, he would STRUGGLE to be effective. it isn't like he is a cerebral player, he plays off instinct. he is able to be so effective because he can just help off all of the big men at the d3 level and block shots. there are exceptions, but for the vast majority, d3 bigs either don't have the size to give him problems, or the skills. The d1 guards will see his help, and the d1 bigs will take advantage of his raw defensive skills.
I think he could probably get a spot on a d1 team, because coaches go crazy about size and athleticism. but really his game is not d1 ready.
Marcel had another triple double today vs Lehman: Stat line:
26pts/18rebs/10 blocks. York wins by 32.. Playoff time... Good luck to all.This Thursday is the Cuny Awards. Can't wait to see who gets what: My predictions:
MVP-Marcel
1st Team
RBJ
Lionel Hiliare
George Kunkel
Vaughn Mason
Rocco Rubino
Nick Hamilton-Lopez
2nd Team
Gabriel Davis
Jordan Young
Ronald Holloway
Xavier Garvin
John Amil
Ryan Exum
Rookie of Year: Eric Klingsberg
Bert Beagle Award: George Kunkel
Coach of Year: Chris Pursoo- Medgar Evers
Here are the match-ups for Saturday Feb. 20th
#1 York vs. #8 CCNY
#2 BC vs. #7 Lehman
#3 Baruch vs. #6 CSI
#4 Hunter vs. #5 Medgar Evers
Top 4 have home games!!!! Who makes it to 2nd round?
Any upsets?
RJB would get eaten alive by D1 defenders, hes not quick enough and hes 6'3 tops. Hes not a D1 player, he might be able to walk on somewhere but hes not making it at the division 1 level. You take any d1 scholorship player and there doing what he does in CUNY if not more.
Forget about offense, Marcel is getting rebounds and blocking shots in D1. I've seen him at Fireball tournament which is a pro league during the summer ( Many NBA players and high d1 players play in this tournament) and he has done more than hold his own. Also in a D1 program they would have worked on his skills alot more and he would be much more polished.
Got to give more respect to d1 teams and players. They are bigger faster and stronger than d3 players. They are legit
yea, but queens, i've read your posts and respect your knowledge. would you compare this summer league, to a college game? while the talent might be high, the organization and game planning i am sure is not the same. and in those respects, i think he would be more exposed.
There are a ton of D1 schools right now who are not high profile. Are you telling me he could'nt play at a school like Byrant, Wagner or NJIT just to name a few. If you think he can't just watch one of their games 1 time.
Obviously its a not a college game in that respect but theres big time players in there. Many NBA players and high d1 guys and he fit right in. Its a pretty well run league with all of good players. ( saw nate robinson drop 50 in a game) Offensively in d1 hes still just a dunker but he would play because of his rebounding and shot blocking.
Yea i mean when you wanna throw Byrant and NJIT in the mix yea i guess he could play for those teams but thats not saying that much. I dont think hes a d1 player, he lacks the athletism, just my opinion.
Here's the final +/- for the regular season:
1. York +6
2. Baruch +5
3. Brooklyn +4
4. Medgar +2
5. Hunter +1
6. CSI -1
7. Lehman -2
8. CCNY -3
9. John Jay -5
10. NYC Tech -6
The formula is as follows:
Home win = 0
Home loss = -1
Road win = 1
Road loss = 0
Does anyone else have a problem with a player from a team with 1 getting first team all conference?
Quote from: Queens on February 18, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
Does anyone else have a problem with a player from a team with 1 getting first team all conference?
Not really. It's an individual not a team award. I have more of a problem with having
six players on the second team.
Quote from: THE GREAT DEBATOR on February 15, 2010, 09:23:13 PM
Here are the match-ups for Saturday Feb. 20th
#1 York vs. #8 CCNY
#2 BC vs. #7 Lehman
#3 Baruch vs. #6 CSI
#4 Hunter vs. #5 Medgar Evers
Top 4 have home games!!!! Who makes it to 2nd round?
Any upsets?
Medgar Evers @ Hunter should be the most competitive matchup. Hunter beat Medgar 85-81 @ Hunter earlier in the season. I can't imagine York having much trouble with City. The Cardinals beat them by 12 at City during the regular season. Baruch beat CSI by 6 on the road in the regular season. And Brooklyn beat Lehman 75-68 @ Lehman earlier.
#7 Lehman should beat #2 Brooklyn because they somehow got 2 players as all CUNY performers to BK's one ??? How do you have 2 of the best players in the league and come in 7th ??? Who votes for these teams? Guys with 1 and 2 wins all season on there!! What message are you sending for future players who aspire to make this team? Just get yours even if you lose by 30 every night its ok. What about the kid who could score 25 every night but has sacrificed for the betterment of his team?
I think York and Brooklyn should come away with W's.
In the other games, I wouldn't be surprised who wins.
Medgar has been playing much better and CSI had Baruch beat but missed a few foul shots with seconds left, later losing in OT. (but Kunkel didn't play, so there goes that theory)
Possibility of a South division sweep in the first round????
Probably has never happened before.
No surprises at the CUNY awards, I think they got everything right.
Would of liked to see Amil John on that list (especially when Lehman gets two guys) but I'm thinking he'll be there next year.
Curious if Marcel will be named All-american.
I agree with you MEC Fan and Queens,
4 of the players selected to the first and second team all CUNY came off of 3 teams that had a combined record of 11 Wins and 64 Losses. That is a joke.Theres about 3-4 other deserving players with just as good stats that were on better teams in the CUNY that should have been selected. They need to change the selection criteria. If your team is getting smacked by 20-30 points everynight someone in the line up has to score 25-30 points. Disgrace!!!
I got an idea...
1. If your team does not win more than 5 games for the season no players are allowed to be nominated for all CUNY.
2. If your team does not win more than 10 games for the season only 1 player will allowed to be nominated for all CUNY.
Amil John, Ryan Exum, Chris Beauchamp all deserve to be on all conference teams. You have vaugnh mason, garvin and Dejesus making all conference team on bad teams. Does anyone really think that Gavin is better than Exum? Exum guards the best player on the other team and is essential to Yorks team who came in first place. Without Exum who knows where York is this season. Amil John is the spark plug for brooklyns team, another GREAT defender and play maker. The second best player on brooklyn who came in 2nd place. Chris Beauchamp another great defender who guards the other teams best player and is one of Baruchs top scorers who came in 3rd place. The coaches need to stop looking at whose the top scorer and start looking at the players themselves. Being on a good team should play a factor on if you make all conference teams.
All three players mentioned would score 20 pts a game on City Tech or John Jay. The coaches need to do a better job voting.
Queens,
I agree on all fronts. You probably picked out the three guys which deserved to get some recognition.
I believe the coaches vote on these teams, which would probably make a coach prejudice towards their on own division. Besides POY and ROY you have more representation from the North than the South (6 to 5). Which is a joke... you could make the argument that 4 of the top 6 teams are from the South.
Top 4 teams advance. Marcel had another triple doulble: 24pts/18rebs/11 blks. Nick had nine 3pters. Ryan had 12 assists..
York vs. Hunter
Brooklyn vs. Baruch
Hmmm...interesting thoughts about the admission standards at various schools. Clearly there are some exceptional, high-caliber academic institutions which are private and require A LOT for admission. It is also clear to me that I am not talking about those schools. There is a huge number of institutions of higher learning who survive on meeting their quota, or number of students that pay their tuition in order for the college to operate on a certain level.
The private schools, and maybe I see a lot of them in this area and Pat is (perhaps) rightfully objecting to me making it a national argument and the 80% part...however, we can go down the list of private schools and apply to these schools and get it with subpar grades because you are paying the tuition outright...these schools LOVE kids who are paying the full and very high tuition costs. Again, the 10-20% of privates with awesome standards and reputations are not in this conversation!
If you still think I am wrong, so be it...but apply to ALL privates in the nation that cost above $30K and don't check off that you are seeking financial aid and that you are willing to pay the full tuition with let's say a subpar HS average of 78, and let's see if my theory is still as wrong as some of you claim!
It's not disparaging at all to say that, it's economics!
BTW, can't wait for Tuesday's semifinal games at CCNY.
PS - The alumni event at Hunter next Friday will have a reception in the West Building lobby for ALL former CUNY student-athletes in ALL sports at 6 pm. Then starting at 7:30 pm we will have two alumni basketball games (sprinkling in a few "celebritites" or friends) bringing back some of the best that ever played in CUNY as well as the current student-athletes 3-pt. shootouts (male and female). Hope to see you all there! Kindly respond to cunyathleticconference@yahoo.com with your information (Name, school, sport, year of graduation, shirt size) so that you may receive your gift. Zak
I saw Hunter play against Medgar Evers on Saturday. I cant wait to see Marcel matchup with the big guy from Hunter.
Ensonwune (sp?) and Baptiste can both play at the d1 level. Would they produce the way they do now? Certainly not, but there are plently of MEAC, NEC and MAAC players who they can compete with.
As to why theyre at division 3 schools? there are so many other factors outside of just the bball. Some guys dont want to put in the work at the d1 level which takes much more dedication, some dont like the schools and love the d3 school, they FIT IN better and like it better.
To say that these guys dont have the TALENT, the raw talent to play at that level is incorrect in my book. There are guys, especially in the city and then also the midwest conferences who could play d1 ball.
Past guys who come to mind who can compete at that level:
Neil Edwards
Damien Santana
Arjun Ohri(Poly - NJIT)
Shahee Martin
Rocco Rubino obviously
there are alot more i just have to think, which hurts. ;D
Yeah and a guy called Shawn McCartney.
CUNY Semifinals on Tuesday at CCNY;
5:30 pm - #1 York vs #4 Hunter
7:30 pm - #2 Brooklyn vs #3 Baruch
Friday, Alumni Reception and Basketball Games at Hunter (+ 3-pt. shootout for current SAs).
Scheduled to play; CUNY's all-time scoring leaders Shawn McCartney & Lauren Cargill, plus some of the best to ever play from each school.
Saturday at CCNY; Men's Final at 5 pm. Game will be televised by Time Warner Cable.
Quote from: xalva66 on February 22, 2010, 11:49:34 AM
I saw Hunter play against Medgar Evers on Saturday. I cant wait to see Marcel matchup with the big guy from Hunter.
I wonder if Hunter's big guy shares your sentiments.
If Hunter beats York it will be their first appearance in the conference championship game since 1998. York's the clear favorite but Hunter played them close in the regular season, losing by only three points (68-65) at York on Jan. 23.
I've just added 2009-10 division 3 teams to the simulation I've been working on. There is a headline, box score and player stats. Here are a few sample games. Hit play again for a different result each time.
I've added accurate player stats and rosters to four leagues so far, the rest have generic rosters:
NJAC, Empire 8, Sunyac, ODA
NJAC
http://nationalsportsrankings.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_oneonone&magic=965
Empire 8
http://nationalsportsrankings.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_oneonone&magic=966
Sunyac
http://nationalsportsrankings.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_oneonone&magic=967
ODA
http://nationalsportsrankings.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_oneonone&magic=968
Users can edit rosters, play teams in leagues, tournaments, seasons, series, 25 game matchup and more.
Teams are rated based on w/l records and strength of schedule. Any teams or teams that may be incorrect after playing a bunch of times I've asked users to let me know and I'll adjust them. It's not easy trying to place a number on each team, but all in all the users seem to enjoy the possibilities.
I thought some readers may be interested. If anyone wants a specific conference added with player names and up to date stats let me know I'll try to get them updated.
Two great semifinal games last night at CCNY. The two top seeds advanced, but both were taken to the brink. Hunter matches up very well with York and the Cardinals were lucky to pull the game out. Huge effort by Hamilton-Lopez put York over the top. If he didn't hit a ton of very big shots, York may very well have been eliminated. Hunter's big three (Rubino, DuBois and Klingsberg) all put in solid efforts and Esonwune looked merely mortal.
In the second game, Baruch killed Brooklyn off the boards but still came up a bit short. Like the opener this one could have gone either way, but the Bulldogs managed to pull this one out in OT. Brooklyn played with a bit more composure in overtime and that enabled them to pull this one out. Once again a super tough loss for Baruch, but unlike last year there doesn't appear to be any chance of a Pool C bid this time around.
So long as the weather allows for my commute, D3Hoops.com will be broadcasting the CUNYAC title games. Will be my 3rd trip there...saw a halfcourt shot to win the title, the last time.
Check for the link on Saturday at http://d3hoops.com
Anyone see the games?
Big congrats to BC... I figured it woudl be hard for York to beat them 3 games in one year.
Does anyone think an Atlantic Region team will get a pool C bid?
I'm thinking Baruch and York get ECAC bids. Don't know about anyone else in CUNY.
Here is the ECAC (http://www.ecacsports.com/championships/2010_Basketball/Metro_Men_bracket.pdf) bracket for anyone interested.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on March 01, 2010, 07:52:21 AM
Anyone see the games?
Big congrats to BC... I figured it woudl be hard for York to beat them 3 games in one year.
I saw the CUNY final. Good game, and Brooklyn won it because they played with more composure and confidence. It looked like Baptiste had something to prove and he certainly did. He never got rattled and he got the job done when it mattered most. John also had a very good all-around game: playing solid defense, handling and distributing the ball and also scoring when necessary. Podias and his staff did a good job as well. Esonwune did not put in a dominant performance and his teammates were unable to pick up the slack. Hamilton-Lopez was high scorer but he didn't shoot well and Exum had a lot of turnovers. With that said there isn't a whole lot of difference between Brooklyn, York and Baruch. Unfortunately for the Cardinals and the Bearcats only one team can win the championship and this year it was Brooklyn.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on March 01, 2010, 07:52:21 AM
Does anyone think an Atlantic Region team will get a pool C bid?
Stockton and Rutgers-Newark received Pool C bids.
Any information out there about Brooklyn for a Fisher fan? I am looking forward to seeing a team I have never seen before come NCAA time. They look solid all around but I have no idea what to expect.
Rhodes:
Respect your opinion, have to disagree though... I dont think York or Baruch are as deep as Brooklyn... Both teams lack the role players that Brooklyn has.. York relies heavily on Marcel and Lopez... Baruch alot on Kunkel and Hilaire... Beauchamp also plays a big part in success.. But Brooklyn has multiple players other than Baptiste who have made huge plays for them all season... That I think is what separates Brooklyn from other teams in the CUNYAC
Congrats to the Bridges...errr...Bulldogs!! They were certainly the most talented team and should have been the favorite in my opinion. They proved me correct.
On to the ECAC, Im a little short of shocked that MEC made it in over Maritime. Any idea as to why?
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on March 01, 2010, 09:45:43 PM
Rhodes:
Respect your opinion, have to disagree though... I dont think York or Baruch are as deep as Brooklyn... Both teams lack the role players that Brooklyn has.. York relies heavily on Marcel and Lopez... Baruch alot on Kunkel and Hilaire... Beauchamp also plays a big part in success.. But Brooklyn has multiple players other than Baptiste who have made huge plays for them all season... That I think is what separates Brooklyn from other teams in the CUNYAC
I agree with you that Brooklyn is deeper than both York and Baruch. I just don't believe they are necessarily a better team than the other two. I feel that all three teams are pretty comparable. Just remember that York beat Brooklyn twice during the regular season, albeit by one point both times. Brooklyn, however, won the big one the third time around.
Brooklyn talent wise is not better than York or Baruch. One might say both York and Baruch are more talented (besides Baptiste that is) but theres something about this brooklyn team that when it comes down to crunch time they make all the big plays to win. All three teams are evenly matched. But Brooklyn has the intanglibles thats York and Baruch lack.
It was like deja vu all over again, same thing as last year. Brooklyn comes into the championship game as number 2 seed and underdogs and find a way to win the game rather easily. Baptiste had something to prove being that he didnt get MVP ( he didnt deserve it) but he wanted to show he was the most talented player and he clearly was.
Baruch is probably kicking themselves because they beat both Rutgers Newark and Stockton. They were probably one big win away from makign the NCAAs. ( Willy P in Double OT or Stevens in OT). York has to also be kicking themselves i thought they were gonna beat Brooklyn pretty easily but they didnt do it. Would have liked to see Marcel and Hamilton Lopez do some damage in the NCAAs.
Brooklyn stands basically no chance vs St. Johns Fisher. They are going into a hostile enviroment vs a very very good team. Brooklyns antics seem to work well in CUNY but not well out of conference. They havent beaten a good team out of conference all season. I'll be shocked if this game is under 10 points.
Do not take this as me being a HATER towards brooklyn i think there a really good team, it just amazes me how they do it. Baptiste is a GREAT player and one of the most talented players in the country. Amil John will be first team all conference next year and going for player of the year his senior year. The rest of the team im not sold on. But hey back to back champions, cant knock them too much.
Queens:
I suppose a team graduating three 1000 point scorers, 2 of whom did so in 3 years cannot possibly be the most talented team in the conference.. Show me another team who can bring a guard as explosive as #34 for Brooklyn...
In terms of overall talent, i would put York 3rd in CUNY, perhaps 4th.. The kid Marcel means everything to them.. Theyd be the worst defensive team in the conference if not for his game changing defense.. I wouldnt be surprised if 60 of Exum's 100+ assists were dishes to Marcel for dunks..
3 thousand point scorers are deceiving. Guerin scored his thousand because he scored 17 points a game as a freshmen when brooklyn was god awful. He averages 7 pts a game now. Hes decent at best. And Nesbitt i wouldnt say hes a great player, hes above average at best. He didnt even make all conference this year. Baptiste is a monster, one of the best players in the country.
Couldnt agree with you more about York...
i dont see how scoring 1000 points at the collegiate level could ever be considered deceiving.. its not easy to do.. Consistency is very importantt when it comes to such a feat.. Dont see how you could agree thatt York relies alot on Marcel but not concede Brooklyn is more talented.. I think in terms of an entire roster.. Brooklyn is the most talented team in the conference.. And its brave of you to talk down on 1OOO pt scorers, calling them "decent"... Would like to see you guard either Nisbett or Guerin..
For one, Guerin is a 1,000 pt scorer but part of the reason he averages 7 a game right now is that he is like the 3-4th option in their offense. I'm sure he could of averaged double digits if the team needed that.
As far as talent wise.... I'm not sure how much more talented BC is but BC's first 7-8 guys are much more athletic than Baruch's. I also don't know how Baruch was making the NCAA's with 3 conference losses including the tourney loss.
Brooklyn is the obvious underdog going up to St. John's but beware that they are not rookies to tournament play. They went up to St. Lawerence last year and played them very tough in the same situation. I believe BC had the lead in that game with 10 minutes left and wound up losing by 12. It's not like they haven't been in this situation before. Doesn't seem like SJF has dominating big man which bodes well for BC. If BC shoots well, plays up tempo, puts up points, I think they have a shot.
I didnt say Baruch SHOULD have made it, i said they must be kicking themselves because they were one maybe two wins away from making the tournament. Losing to William Patterson in Double OT and Stevens in OT. Thats all.
All i said was only reason Guerin scored 1000 pts is because he averaged 17 his first year. Thats over 400 pts in one year and 600 in 3 years ( with postseason games the last 3 years.) Lets not go crazy over Guerin. Hes a nice role player and is a 1000pt scorer because he played on a terrible team his first year.
Also athletism is not what wins games in d3. I think its safe to say brooklyn will be more athletic than SJF. Amil John will be the most athletic player on the floor (he is 95 percent of the time) but they will still lose.
BubbaChuck(and anyone else who cares to comment):
Whose better?
Hamilton Lopez or Nesbit? Exum or Guerin? Evilyn or Guerin? Come on York is more talented Brooklyn just won the game. They come up big at CCNY in big games. Its a credit to them. As far as them being more talents i dont Think so
John is better than Exum... Guerin could put up Evelyn's numbers if he took the amount of shots Evelyn did... Queens, answer this.. Who is better Cudjoe or Wilkinson? Russell or Fuller? Hemingway or Simon?
Your crazy about Guerin being better than Evelyn. Evelyn is a real good player that i dont think gets featured enough because of Hamilton Lopez and Marcel. You mean to tell me if you making picks for your team your taking Guerin over Evelyn? Come on Bubba.
Russell comes in for maybe 10 minutes, doesnt do much but chase after the ball. Cudjoe is better than Wilkinson for sure. Love Cudjoes game he is one of the main reasons for Brooklyns success makes all the hustle plays. Exum is better than you give him credit. He plays a solid point and guards the other teams best player. Hemingway is another nice bench player. But lets not argue about guys playing 15 minutes a game.
Looks like were going to have to agree to disagree.
guess so. Brooklyn won the game the other night because they have a bench..York doesnt. And when talking in terms of talented teams, its necessary to speak on all players.. Also, get your facts straight Guerin did not avg 17 as a freshman... And looking at season stats, Russell shot 100 fts off the bench this yr.. Sounds like he does more than chase the ball.
Thanks for a great game tonight Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a very good team, and I think will be a up and coming team in the future. Congrats on winning the league this year, and I hope to see you again next year.
Brooklyn will not be winning the championship next year, i cant almost garentee you that. Inless Baptiste has a 17 year old brother about to go to college, Podias will go back to his usual ways, which is losing.
queens:
looking forward to the days you don't hate on Brooklyn immensely... Brooklyn still returns a nice core, centered around Amil John... While they are nott to be considered the favorite, they will still be an upper tier team in the league and be highly competitive...
Your boys at York are losing 3 important seniors in Lopez, Exum and Doughboy... And unlike Brooklyn, they don't have much of a bench to step in and make an impact...
If Baruch could find someone to replace Kunkel, they could be dangerous
Podias 108-192 before baptiste. And its not like he recruited baptiste either, kid just showed up on campus as a transfer after being kicked off Farmingdales team.
Lets not make it like Brooklyn is some powerhouse program. They got lucky and a tremedous player showed up on campus. Back to reality for Brooklyn. Amil John is a first team all conference player but who else? This great bench your talking about will be put to the test next year.
I'm amazed Podias lasted that long as Head Coach with a record like that. He owes Baptiste big time because theyll never fire him now.
also have to remember Brooklyn's struggles back when I was there in the mid 90's.. Podias picked up a program from the ground up, which is never an easy thing... Only 4 coaches in CUNY have winning career records (St. John,Petosa,Rankis, & Schulman).. 3 of them have been at their schools for 20 plus yrs...
Yes Baptiste had a lot to do with the recent success, but fact of the matter is Brooklyn is back on the map per say... they will still be very competitive and I dont expect Podias to have a bad season anytime soon... But you and I have been known to disagree...
Quote from: Queens on March 06, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
Brooklyn will not be winning the championship next year, i cant almost garentee you that. Inless Baptiste has a 17 year old brother about to go to college, Podias will go back to his usual ways, which is losing.
Harsh words and some uncharacteristically poor grammer as well??
Spend some time at the Rockaway St. Patty's day parade today?
I cant say who will be a favorite for next year... looks wide open. BC will definetly be a contender in the South. Marcel will be POY again but Bubba is right that the supporting casts are questionable. Brooklyn's core is gone but John, Hemmingway, Russell, Cudjoe, and Purisec are a nice returning group plus maybe the JUCO Kingsborough kid becomes eligible.
And on the Podais tip.. i think the tide has changed a bit... a few winning seasons, a nice facility, and a steady core staff of assistant coaches will, in my opinion, keep this program successful going forward.
For the record Queens, Podias recruited Baptiste out of St. John's Prep and rescued him from a JUCO in Texas where he left unhappy and disillusioned as he has always said in the print media. But since you are not big on facts, and maybe you can't read, perhaps that York education of yours failed you once again. Podias appreciates what Baptiste has done for him and BC, and the reverse is also true. As far as the losing prior to Baptiste, Podias build the program from nothing in 1995, and was not even allowed to participate in the CUNY tourney due to NCAA regulations untill 1999, when Brooklyn became a full-fledged dIII member. Everyone knows how hard it is to recruit when you are not allowed to play for anything for 4 years and then there is how hard it is to get into Brooklyn. York doesn't really stop anyone at the academic door as has been well documented here before. Then the few players Podias got in the early part of this decade when the team was struggling would be academically ineligible before they got to play in 80% of the CUNY schedule. Show me teams in the last few years in CUNY that have had All-Stars on teams that lost 20 games or in that vicinity.
There were never players declared academically ineligible at York or CSI or even Baruch during that time span. CCNY had some nice players and won two chips which proves that coaches need good players to win. So now Podias gets Guerin, Baptiste, Nisbett, John, Russell, Hemingway, Cudjoe, Purisic among others, keeps them together for years and builds a succcessful program and you can't SEE that Queens!
Just to continue and put the Brooklyn and Podias hating to bed, in the last two CUNY FINALS, where BROOKLYN was the lower seed and therefore the underdog, and Brooklyn was up against Queens' favorite team and legendary coaches Rankis and St. John, Brooklyn had no points from Baptiste at halftime, yet they led by six and went on to win by 20 points against an undefeated CUNY team. This year Baptiste vs. York gets his fourth foul with almost 13 mins. to go, sits on the bench and Brooklyn increases the lead until Baptiste gets back with five to go as Brooklyn won again. You call that bad coaching QUEENS! You Say Brooklyn only has Baptiste! These are facts, not ridiculous HATING commentary. How would you like to have two CUNY Championships Back-to Back won against superior teams as you allege. By the way did Brooklyn lose to Fisher by more than double-digits as you predicted? You are such a WRONG GUY, you should be removed from this Board, especially since everything you say is motivated by HATE, and NOT reality.
SwingO or should i call you Steve or would you prefer Mr. Podias? ( lets make ridiculous claims because apparently im a York Graduate, thats news to me)
So steve was your record not 108 and 192 before Baptiste came to Brooklyn? Is Baptiste not the best player in the region? Did he not score 30 points in the championship game this year? Did he not score 19 points in the 2nd half of the championship game the previous year?
How is it not an absolute fact that Brooklyn relies on RJB? Hes kobe bryant, lebron, whoever you want to call him. Everyone gameplans for him and they try everything possible to stop him, this makes everyone else better. True or False SwingO?
As far as the Fisher game, brooklyn should have won that game. They were a better team than Fisher. But who has Brooklyn beat out of conference that was any good this year? I said i would be surprised if it wasent a 10 point win, and yes i was suprised. But Brooklyn still lost, why would i think they were going to win. They beat no one out of conference.
Hunter and Baruch are probably the favorites next year. Who knows who York will pick up, they always seem to reload. Brooklyn will be solid, but not championship team.
Baruch spanks York 93-70
Hilaire MVP of ECAC.
First of all, I don't hide who I am as you bravely do, nor was I even intending to post until it was obvious that you have directed venom at me and my program. I probably will not have to post anymore,because my players past and present will deal with the poison that comes from your pen. I tried to articulate for you the differences in building a program with no team as a part-time coach(which i still am)Rankis and St. John are full-time and have been for a while. Since you took shots at me and my team at least read everything and understand it and not just about the record. I dont deny anything about what Richard means to me and the program, and my record prior to Baptiste was hindered by some of he things mentioned in the previous post. So, should I be nasty and say Rankis is 1-3 in CUNY title games,in over 30 years, or St. John is 3-8 In CUNY FInals, while I'm 2-0 in the 11 years I was allowed to play in the tourney? You made the posting ugly and when you got called out on it you got nasty. And it seems once again that you ignore facts and only use whateer you find to suit you. So here's another. Brooklyn beat Old Westbury, NJCU and Widener out of conference this season, the last two away. Now i'm truly sorry about the York remark, my fellow posters were of the opinion that you may be a York graduate. I truly respect and enjoy coaching against Rankis and St. John, Petosa and Fenn, Stampfel and Schulmann, Plevritis and Pursoo, and Winston. Since I believe no one should just throw hate around for no good reason, I think you should restrict your remarks to players and not take shots at programs. I will always be close to Baptiste for everything he meant to me and the program, but his supporting cast was better than you would ever imagine.
coach, you can't let these posters get to you. as i've always been taught on the court, you let your game do the talking. in this instance, come back next year and prove that person wrong.
in my long time in division 3 basketball, formerly a player, now a fan, you can't let what some poster is writing on a message board affect you. for all you know that poster has some kind of grudge against you from the past because you didn't give him playing time, or something. he/she could also be a few drinks deep and letting go some of that persons pain on a message board where no one knows them.
also you chose this profession. on a smaller level you are in the spotlight just like all the d1 coaches. you don't see mike krzyzewski on the message boards, or in press conferences taking shots at people that call them out. these guys get second guessed constantly, and on a smaller level so are you. rick pitino gets the woman's name chanted during an away big east game he cheated on his wife with. now if that isn't getting personal, i don't know what is.
most of all, like i said, let your game do the talking.
Your right Top of the World, the teacher in me just doesn't tolerate hate well, and the SJFisher loss still fresh in my team's heart and mind just made it worse. My Catholic guilt tells me you're right, the 20hr. days,24/7 got to me at the wrong time. The Coach K analogy you made is not completely true however, I recommend you find a book called "Blue BLood" by Art Chansky, the story of the Duke-NC rivalry. I was amazed at some of the things Coach K did to control the media and bloggers when he went down in the 1995 season, and more recently in the past decade. If you get a chance read it, a basketball guy like you would really appreciate it. Thanks Again
There's so many things i want to say about your post i want to make sure I don't leave anything out. First off i want to know what i said that was venom? Are you upset because i posted your record on a public forum(108-192)? Are you upset that you would have never won a championship if RJB didnt come to Brooklyn? What else did i say that was so hurtful? That i predicted your team was going to lose on the road at the # 22 St John Fisher? You are WAY too sensitive. TOPoftheworld said it right, do division 1 coaches call up espn after they are criticized? I want to know what i said that was so hurtful?
Next, do you normally refer to yourself in the third person? Because you were raving about how you don't hide your identity on the board, so i was just wondering why on your previous posts before i called you out, you referred to yourself in the third person? Interesting to say the least.
"I think you should restrict your remarks to players and not take shots at programs."-Steve Podias
So let me get this straight Steve, you would rather me bash your players then bash you and your program? Interesting.
"So, should I be nasty and say Rankis is 1-3 in CUNY title games,in over 30 years, or St. John is 3-8 In CUNY FInals, while I'm 2-0 in the 11 years I was allowed to play in the tourney?"- Steve Podias
While saying you weren't going to be nasty you were nasty by even mentioning it. Leave Rankis and St. John out of it. What do they have to do with your record pre-baptiste? And they are both Full time because they are athletic directors at the school. There not full time basketball coaches at York and at Baruch. They are part time coaches just like you and full time athletic directors. All coaches have obstacles and reasons why teams and programs are not successful. Every coach that loses has a laundry list of reasons why they weren't successful. Either a kid failed off or a kid got hurt or someone decided to transfer, no one is going to feel sorry for you. The Bottom line is if baptiste didn't come to brooklyn you would be 0-0 in championship games.
Nothing i said was based out of hate. We are talking about division three basketball, the purest form of the game. Everything i said was my opinion, i'm shocked at how personally you took it and the fact that you came on here several times to defend yourself. Not very professional. Do you think any other of the head coaches would come on here and post. I've criticized Plevritis several times on here, i didnt see him come on here and say anything. Also, before you bravely outed yourself you commented on how my York education must have failed me?
"But since you are not big on facts, and maybe you can't read, perhaps that York education of yours failed you once again." -Steve Podias
Another interesting comment. Very unprofessional.
Lastly, why should i be removed from the board? Because i stated my opinion on your team and your program? What did i say that constituted hate? I just stated my opinion.
Prove me wrong Coach. Win next year, without Baptiste.
Congrats on the two titles, it was impressive.
Congrats to Baruch and York for making it an All-CUNY ECAC final and to Baruch on a great performance in the win. Second straight year the ECAC title stays in NYC, but next year we hope to see similar results in the NCAAs...the 2010-11 season has begun...at least the recruiting and reloading portion. Good luck to all our teams!
PS - Thanks to all the seniors and good luck to RJB in the senior All-Star game.
Zakk... no love for BC?
Queens... I usually try to stay truly subjective on here but I don't like good people getting blasted undeservedly.
First off, I think you blasting coach P is unnecessary because the guy has been a pretty stand up guy... In the last ten years, have you heard any shady things about the program when it comes to BC? No. Brooklyn has had tons of talent walk through the door but kids haven't been able to make it through the season without failing off or getting eligible. The old Core curriculum was extremely intense there. We had 2-3 starters fail off in 3 different years when I played there. I don't know if you could blame a coach for that... or maybe in your world.. you would say the coach should of "found a way" to get these kids to pass. But I must say.. the administration doesn't play that at BC.
Baptiste fell into Podias lap? How bout he recruited him as a HS Senior but RJB opted to go to a JUCO. Did you ever think, RJB's brother playing at BC had anything to do with it? And if Podias was such a bad guy/coach, would Coach Baptiste allow his brother to come here?
The last thing I'll say is that, it's funny how much courage people have on these blogs when you could remain anonymous. I mean.... any credibility is shot because you could say anything and no one could ever call you out or question you. It's pretty low to call for someone being fired when we all know D3 coaches don't do this for the money and you have no idea what that coach means to his players or the school.
Pretty low Queens... pretty low.
its not low at all danny. these boards are for the fans to express their opinions and debate basketball. thats what everyone does at every level of sports, and i have a feeling thats one of the reason we enjoy sports so much. so everyone is entitled to their opinion in my book.
your point that kids fail off the team points even more towards podias failing at his jobs and hurting kid's futures even. it is a coach's job to not only get the most talented players, but also the players that can stay eligible and succeed academically at the school. baruch, hunter and other schools in the conference are definitely on par with brooklyn. its just part of the game. so when you say...
"you would say the coach should of 'found a way' to get these kids to pass," i say find kids that will stay on the team. if its such a problem with the team for 3 years or more, you have to look at the types of kids the coaching staff bring in.
your point that rjb's brother playing at brooklyn is another reason why he DID fall into brooklyn's lap. maybe you would counter by saying podias is such a great recruiter, he knew that if his brother played at bc, he would want to come there in the future.....
no one is saying that podias is a bad guy. queens stated facts about the program, and things got blown out of proportion because it was taken personally.
danny as a former player, we have/had the great privilege of playing college sports. with that privilege comes the fact that some people will like you, some will hate you, and you may never know why, and it may be for terrible reasons. when j.j. reddick gets bo'ed his whole life, do you think its because he was a jerk? no, who knows why. its part of it, and if you can't handle yourself professionally when criticism comes your way, maybe this is not the profession for you.
as in 90% of sports discussions, you can only point to the results. no matter what you, or i, or queens, or coach says, we'll see what happens next year. then if you want, come back and say i told you so.
oh, and taking shots at the other coaches....
that was the true low blow
Just don't like the idea of calling for people to be fired when I feel it really isn't deserved...
and yeah i dont really lose sleep over this...
anyway
how bout them yankees?
I've always been an avid follower of this blog and enjoyed reading the posts, particularly the entertaining ones when people went back and forth.
However, after seeing the posts over the past few days, I decided to step up and write myself...
I am one of the returning players for next year's Brooklyn team.. although according to Queens we should all just give up because Rich is leaving us...
I am not writing this to be hateful or attack anyone, just my teammates and I got a little tired of Queens basically saying that we would have been nothing if not for Rich..
Don't get me wrong, Rich is an immensely talented player, the most talented player in the region, and one of the best in the nation. He did, as Queens said, make each and everyone of us better..
However, I assure you, and Rich will attest to this in a heartbeat that with our practices being as intense and competitive as they are, we all made him a better player as well...
Queens, being that you have never been at one of our practices, I don't think you understand how intense they are... our scrimmages in practice this year were tougher than some of our games.. and I assure you that we are the most talented team in the conference, kids on our bench would start for most, if not all of the teams in the conference...
Now I believe that you suggested that we would not have won back to back championships if not for Rich.. Obviously, that may be true, given the fact that he had such great games both years.. But let me ask you this, what team wins a championship without their best player? It doesn't happen...
Would York have won back to back championships without Jeff Boone, who by happy coincidence was a JUCO transfer himself? I don't think so...
How about this year....
Is York in the championship game without Marcel?
Does Baruch make it to the semi's without Hilaire?
Hunter without Rubino?
Each team needs their # 1 guy, thats a given... In fact, take the best player off each team in the conference, I think we win the championship rather easily...
You also said previously, that other than Rich & Amil, you're not sold on the rest of our team... Now I'm not quite sure how many times you saw us play this year...The leadership of DC & Tommy has been instrumental for our team over the past 2 seasons...Maybe you weren't at the semi-final game last month when DC dominated Baruch over the last 5 minutes of that game.. I doubt you were at the Widener game when Tommy hit the buzzer beater to win the game... Perhaps you weren't there when last year at the championship, went DC went on a 9-0 run by himself to extend our lead going into the half when Rich was in foul trouble... Probably failed to notice that AJ had 11 points and 4 assists off the bench that game.. Hardly anyone ever outside of Bedford Ave ever notices or appreciates the blue collar effort put forth by Darnell each and everytime he steps onto the floor for us. And I suppose you could have missed the efforts put forth by Tyshawn and Enes off the bench in the championship game this year.. When they checked in to the game, the whole game changed..Simple as that..
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, I have to assume you're just not watching closely enough.. If you were, you would see all of this.. We were 2nd in the nation in steals... took all 14 of us, everyday in practice working on our press to do that... We led the conference in Assist-Turnover ratio.. took all of us believing in each other to do that...
What really separates us from the other teams is that we are a TEAM in every sense of the word.... When one person isn't having a good day, there are 2 more people there waiting to pick up the slack.. We have great leadership on our team.. The atmosphere and attitude put forth by our coaches has also been a huge part of our success... We're 66-20 over the past 3 years, 38-8 in Cuny play.. An example of what separates us from other teams could be seen in the championship game a few weeks ago.. When things started going wrong for York, they all started arguing with each other... Not us.. Countless times over these past few seasons we've been down big to teams.. Just see the semi-final and final game from this year, where we were down double digits in both games.. However, we never once lost our heads... The bond that we have as teammates, the love that we have for each other has resonated through our play, and that has been the biggest part of our winning back to back championships...
Another thing that neither I or my teammates liked seeing on this board were some of the comments made towards our Coach. Now as I said earlier Queens, you are entitled to your opinion.... And I can see that maybe some things you said were taken out of context..
However, some of the things you did say certainly hit home with us and were not at all appreciated...
Firstly, you're saying "'I'm amazed Podias lasted that long as Head Coach with a record like that" & "Podias will go back to his usual ways, which is losing".. Those statements were unnecessary and unwarranted... To infer that Coach P should be out of a job that he cherishes is completely wrong o you... You went on to post his record pre-Rich.. Coach's record that you see there is not at all indicative of the kind of coach he is nor the kind of man he is. Coach P means everything to us.. He puts in insane hours each and everyweek, as do all the coaches in CUNY.. He does a great job preparing us for not only basketball games, but for life... He and our other assistant coaches put together this specific teams, finding the right combination of talented players and character rich players.. Winning back to back championships has to put us in the conversation for best CUNY teams ever, and Coach P made that happen.. Yeah some may say Brooklyn got lucky with DC & Rich transferring, but as everyone knows, the most talented teams do not always win championships.. Coach P put us in a position to make sure we did... He also has been able to keep us together, whereas other teams in the conference have crazy roster turnover year in and year out.. We have 10 returning players next year... 3 are heading into their 4th year on the team, 6 heading into their 3rd year.. and 1 heading into his 2nd.. Our coaches have provided the family atmosphere that I believe sets us apart from all the other teams spoken about on this board...
Without being around our program, you can't possibly know what goes on.. You are just stating your opinion, which you are entitled to. I only ask that when you do so, keep it positive. We all know what we are losing in our 4 seniors... We know how tough it will be to win a 3rd straight championship.. But I assure you that we will be ready to defend our titles.. We will be prepared to be to do whatever it takes to win every game on our schedule.. And that preparation, that confidence.. Starts with our coaches... Particularly Coach Podias..
On another note, I didn't get to touch on this with my first post.. Saying something along the lines that Rich got kicked off the team at Farmingdale was foolish.. Were you there at Farmingdale during that time? Do you know exactly what happened? You don't. There was alot that went into it, and what you stated is certainly not what actually occurred. You can't always rely on what you hear.. Thats not fair to the readers on the board, its not fair to the people you are talking about either.
As you and topoftheworld both said, it is not at all wrong of you guys to come on here and share your opinions.. In fact, as I said earlier, I rather enjoy reading this board and keeping up with the times as they say... All that we could ask is that you not demean the roles that we all play... We're all college athletes here, we're simply trying to have some fun while obtaining our degrees and going out into the real world.. Sometimes I think people forget that.. 98% of us are never going to play a "meaningful"game after our college eligibilty is up.. We're just in it for the love of the game..
I do hope that I was able to get my points across here succinctly and without offending anyone...
Some of my teammates and I just felt a little perturbed by some of the things said on this board of late.. While we do understand that some things may have been taken out of context..
The simple fact of the matter is this... If you are not fortunate enough to be around our program, you can not possibly know what goes on there for certain... Know this.. We are a tightknit group.. And if you asked anyone around our program, we would not have won either championship without each specific person who was on the team.. We all play vital roles in our program, we all bring specific, necessary things to the table.. You'll just never be able to imagine how important everyone is to our success.. All you guys see, all most sports fans see.. Is the player who makes the shot, never the person who made the pass that led to the pass... or the person who took the charge... or the key substitution the coach made at a specific point in the game... These things are always unseen and therefore cannot be fully appreciated...
Anyone who has been around our program these last few years can attest to this.. It has been special.. Yes, we've had a special player in Rich...But as I stated above, what most people think about Rich is that he's this talented player, a great scorer.. Nobody knows the sacrifices he's made for us as a team, nobody knows how great a leader he's been.. And that goes for every single person on our team 1 through 14.. We've all made sacrifices and contributions to our team... We all have given our blood,sweat and tears to this program...
In these past few years, we've only lost 1 player to grades... We've made a commitment to each other as a team, that we won't let each other down... We will maintain our grades so that we can all be there at the end. In fact, 3 of us are Dean's List Students... And 1 is graduating early.....
All of those other things that are spoken about on here.. "this program does this to get kids eligible" or "this program does that".. That is of absolutely no concern to us.. At the end of the day, we at Brooklyn are a family.. A family that was started by Coach P... We all stand by him through anything and everything, and we know that as long as he is at the helm, that we will be ready to play our style of basketball...
We will be ready to 3peat next year...
I'll have to think of a more creative name to post with for next year.. But for now, Back2Back will have to do...
In the meantime, I hope to never post again, and to find wholesome, goodnatured posts on the board from this point forward... Just let us players play, let the coaches coach... Be fans, and enjoy the game.
Nicely said Back2Back and congrats on seeing the big picture! I am proud of your team and coach Podias - keep up the great work.
in my opinion, it is inappropriate for players, and coaches to post comments on this board. It just sounds very immature. People are obviously getting very defensive about comments that have been made. like i said before, just come back next year and prove everyone wrong.
like it was previously stated, you don't see the hunter coach coming on the boards and taking shots at posters after people said equally if not more harsh words about him. players and coaches have been bashed and praised. of course its a team game, and certain guys have made plays throughout the season. if you think queens assumes baptiste made every play for this team, i think you are belittling his intelligence, as your coach already has.
you sound like a player who wishes he got more attention for his hard work throughout his time at brooklyn college. i'm not saying that you are, but when you come on the board and complain that someone gives rjb all the credit, thats what you sound like.
Youse guys could all just get a grip, maybe.
;)
Congratulations to Marcel Esonwune (York) and Richard Jean-Baptiste (Brooklyn) on being named D3 All-Americans!!!
all though i maybe late i had to put 2 scents, too me it seems like the good people over at york are a bunch of SOAR LOSERS!! two years ago when they lost to john jay they never once gave them credit for out playing them and working harder than them. The only thing they were saying was that they beat themselves!! it was all over the paper in queens and on the websites that york just played bad and they beat themselves and john jay was just lucky to have played them that day!! which is funny cuz i do believe that john jay is the only team in along time to have even won a ncaa game!.. york are a bunch of sore losers, with an average age of 28! it is evident that brooklyn has had the better team in cuny the past 2 years and kudos to them!
whats a soar loser?
Try D3jobs.com. This is the last week it's free to post jobs.
Who do you think replaces Plevritis at Hunter?
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on September 03, 2010, 06:57:49 PM
Who do you think replaces Plevritis at Hunter?
If they don't hire within, Jody King, former coach of Maritime should be a candidate. They could also go with a young assistant in the CUNY/Skyline. I don't know who the top asst's are???? John Alesi, who was asst coach at Manhattan, would be interesting too. I don't know if he's the type to take a DIII job after working for a DI program for a few years.
City,
I heard Alessi is at ASA a d1 juco in Brooklyn.
King is logical but I like the idea of a young coach who would be at Hunter for a long time better, who are some of the young coaches in the area?
Quote from: BklynBasketball on September 06, 2010, 10:17:08 PM
I heard Alessi is at ASA a d1 juco in Brooklyn.
I think he'll be at Hunter, at least that's what I heard.
Quote from: Danny Weismuller on September 07, 2010, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: BklynBasketball on September 06, 2010, 10:17:08 PM
I heard Alessi is at ASA a d1 juco in Brooklyn.
I think he'll be at Hunter, at least that's what I heard.
Makes sense, definitely.
Quote from: BklynBasketball on September 06, 2010, 10:17:08 PM
City,
who are some of the young coaches in the area?
Brooklyn has Baptiste and Mair. CSI has chris peterson. Bard has young staff with Turner as head coach. MSMV has nolan adams. SJC-LI has a young asst also I believe.
does anyone have any information on the Hunter coaching search? I imagine a decision should be made very soon?
Heard John Alesi from Manhattan College is in the process of being hired as the new head coach of Hunter.
Word on the street is John Alesi is already recruiting for Hunter so safe to assume now he is the next coach. Good hire, Hunter should be a good program every year. Interesting twist Alesi is a Baruch guy, word was he was slated as Rankis' successor. Should be an interesting twist to the rivalry. Added excitement is always a plus.
Any news on incoming recruiting classes? Brooklyn is losing a lot this year. York, Baruch? Any sleepers?
Friends Would someone give a shout-out when a roster gets posted? Thanks!
Quote from: bmull on October 13, 2010, 07:40:07 PM
Friends Would someone give a shout-out when a roster gets posted? Thanks!
Hunter and Lehman are the only two schools who've posted rosters so far. The Hawks return nine players from last year's team (by far their highest number in at least a decade). Two of their three top guns return: Dubois and Klingsberg are back, while Rubino is not.
I went to the Manhattanville @ Hunter game last night. Tough loss for Alesi in his coaching debut because it was a game that the Hawks definitely could have won. It was the worst effort by Klingsberg that I ever saw: poor shooting, lack of focus and a lack of aggression. On the other hand, Courtien put in a solid performance finishing with 17 points and demonstrating that he's not only an open shooter, but can create his own shot (to some degree) and take the ball to the hoop. Hoffman also looked pretty good, taking better care of the ball and playing more under control than last year. Dubois dressed but did not play--which obviously did not help matters for Hunter.
Preseason coaches poll from cunyac website;
NorthDiv. 1. Baruch 50 pts 2. Hunter 40pts 3. Lehman 24pts 4. CCNY 22pts 5. John Jay 16pts
South Div. 1. York 48 pts 2. Brooklyn 38pts 3. Medgar Evers 27pts 4. Staten Island 20pts 5. City Tech 17pts
Marcel Esonwune York player of the year.
Opening game scores
Baruch 79 Stevens 75
M'hatville 64 Hunter 61
Ramapo 70 York 60
Rutgers Newark 81 Medgar Evers 72 OT
Mt St Vincent 70 Lehman 68
John Jay 66 Vaughn 53
CCNY 72 Mitchell 69
I saw Kean beat York, 69-57, last night in Jamaica. The Cougars led by 11 at the half and were in control the rest of the way. I was impressed with Jonathan Jones, the center for Kean. He didn't shoot very well (6-19 from the floor), but he did grab 16 rebounds and had 3 steals. Jones is strong, runs the court well, is pretty athletic and he can post up as well as hit an outside shot. He gave York's All-American center, Marcel Esonwune, all he could handle.
York was led by William Holley, a junior transfer from BMCC, who finished with 24 points and 8 rebounds. Holley can score in a variety of ways and appears to be the second best player on the Cardinals. Esonwune was next with 19 points, 8 boards and 4 blocks. The Cardinals will certainly miss Hamilton-Lopez and Exum from last year's team and they probably have a little less overall talent. In addition, Evelyn was on the bench but did not play.
Holly played at kingsboro, a great scorer who will have insurance on D with marcel behind him...anyone know where marcel's younger bro ended up?
Crazy game @ Medgar last night. Down 27 with 14 min to go against a really good jersey city team. MEC comes back to win by 3 :o
Quote from: BklynBasketball on November 20, 2010, 09:38:13 AM
Holly played at kingsboro
You're right about that one.
I saw Baruch beat Farmingdale State last night. The Bearcats started slowly but got going about midway through the first half. Baruch has pretty much the same team as last year, minus Kunkel (which is a major loss). Hillaire and Beauchamp are All-Conference players, Farid can score but is very inconsistent, Loftus is a decent rebounder, and Abbatiello is an excellent outside shooter. It looks like Baruch should be a top-tier team once again.
Farmingdale had better athletes than Baruch, but struggled when it became a half-court game. Josh Smith was extremely impressive for the Rams and looks like he could be one of the top players in the Atlantic region.
CSI has 3 impressive wins to start the season. Wins against Ursinus, Weselyen and Rochester Tech which are all teams that were expected to finish high in there prospective conferences. They are a much different team than in the past. They still get after it on defense but are much more quicker and athletic than in the past. Thomas Tibbs is a legit pg with great leadership qualitys and Bloochy Magloire is a dynamic scorer who comes off the bench for a instant lift. Combined with Jordan Young the Dolphins are out to prove the coaches wrong for picking them to finish 4th in the South Division. Very interested to see how Baruch fairs against common opponent Weselyen.
I saw Hunter beat John Jay, 81-63, last night. The game was tied at the half, but Hunter went on a 30-4 run to break it wide open. Uter, Koutsoloukas and Hoffman all played well for the Hawks, while Courtien and Klingsberg saw limited time due to foul trouble.
John Jay has more talent than last year, but their 4-1 record is deceptive because they've faced some pretty weak opposition. The Bloodhounds have a good trio in Alexander, Harry, and Holman, but not much of a supporting cast.
Big win for Medgar last night over Bklyn. MEC jumped out on a 12-2 run to start game and never trailed, winning 74-65.
I spoke to Coach Petosa in the summer and he said he was happy with his recruiting class. I don't think he fully expected this however.
The secret's out on the College of Staten Island Dolphins.
"We won't be sneaking up on anybody anymore," admitted junior point guard Thomas Tibbs.
CSI not only snuck up on CUNY Conference preseason favorite York and NCAA Division III first-team All-American center Marcel Esonwune, the Dolphins produced a stunning 76-51 victory Thursday night in Queens.
CSI improved to 5-0 on the season — the program's best start in nearly three decades — by rolling in its conference opener. York dropped to 2-6 and 1-1.
"I feel very good about what we've done so far," said Dolphin coach Tony Petosa, whose squad built a 38-23 halftime lead and never was threatened after intermission. "These kids are tough, coachable and respectful.
"And best of all, they're young."
How dominating was the performance?
CSI's pressure man-to-man defense hounded York into 34 turnovers. The Dolphins had nine.
CSI had 22 steals, led by David Hughes with six, Tibbs five and Dale Taranto four. The Cardinals had three.
"Our success came from our defense," said Petosa, who snapped a five-game losing streak to York, including 75-52 and 102-61 routs last season. "We were able to pressure the ball very effectively. The difference between this team and some very good teams we've had in the past is that we're a little more uptempo."
In other words, the Dolphins turned many of York's miscues into layups.
And figure this into the winning mix: CSI freshman center Matt VanManen, playing his fifth collegiate game, matched up very effectively against the 6-foot-6 leaper Esonwune.
York's big man finished with 15 points, 11 rebounds and five blocked shots before fouling out in 27 minutes, but fell far short of his earlier performances.
"(VanManen) plays with a lot of toughness and poise," said Petosa of the 6-4 St. Peter's HS product who scored seven points with three rebounds.
The Dolphins spread the wealth behind Jordan Young's 21-point night. Taranto had 13 points and four assists; Louis Valdes came off the bench for 12 points and three steals; and freshman Hughes added 10 points.
CSI took 70 shots. York took 41. The Dolphins made 13 trips to the free-throw line. The Cardinals made just seven trips.
All in all, it was a CUNY eye-opener.
"We wanted to play a full game and for the first time we did," said Tibbs. "It's no secret we're trying to win the league ... we're playing to win.
"But at the same time, it's early."
Petosa agreed.
"It's just one game," said the veteran coach.
For the Dolphins, what a game it was.
NOTES: Esonwune picked up his third and fourth fouls in the first three minutes of the second half. He sat for six minutes while the Dolphins stretched a 40-27 lead to 57-36 with 11 minutes remaining ... CSI hosts Montclair State Wednesday night.
CSI (76)
Taranto 5-11 1-2 13, Tibbs 3-9 0-0 7, Hughes 4-13 2-2 10, VanManen 3-9 1-2 7, Young 9-14 3-5 21, Magliore 2-8 0-0 6, Valdes 4-6 2-2 12, Frank 0-0 0-0 0, Person 0-0 0-0 0, Maccarone 0-0 0-0 0, Jenkins 0-0 0-0 0, Pan 0-0 0-0 0.
Totals: 30-70 9-13 76.
YORK (51)
Zorilla 0-2 0-0 0, Simon 3-9 1-2 9, Lausell 4-7 0-0 8, Wilkinson 5-8 0-0 10, Esonwune 7-10 1-1 15, Abraham 0-0 0-0 0, Fernandez 0-1 2-2 2, Gregoire 1-2 0-0 2, Moujeke 0-0 0-0 0, Norville 2-2 1-2 5.
Totals: 22-41 5-7 51.
Any word on why Will Holly didnt play? Got to think it would be a different game with Holly out there...
Congrats to CSI and Coach Petosa, after a few "down" seasons I imagine they have to be in the mix this year!
So the Brooklyn College men's team is 4-5, wins ovwer Potsdam and Marymount are nice, but in region loss to Purchase doesnt bode well for Coach P in the post season...any thoughts on the bulldogs?
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Any rumblings about coaching changes??
Hunter Coach John Alesi resigns and takes Baruch Assistant AD job. Hunter is looking for a new coach for the second year in a row.
What are the rumblings in CUNY? Who is looking good? Who added whom? Not many teams have their rosters up yet? Tough to tell. Rumor has if CSI added some pieces. York has some out of towners which is unusual.
Does anyone have any insight??
Quote from: CityD3 on March 21, 2011, 07:18:56 PM
Any rumblings about coaching changes??
Tom Green (ex D-1 coach @ FDU) takes over CCNY.
Decent opening day for CUNY, with lehman, bk, hunter, john jay tallying some nice out of conference wins. Rest all lost some close decisions to good schools. Bk most impressive after losing cudjoe and hemingway and still taking out fdu florham. Great debut for coach berry and hunter. Lehman beat out a very talented berkeley squad. John jay had to travel and beat a better Bard. Tough loss for ccny losing to mitchell by one.
Medgar Evers beating Rutgers Newark gets no mention. Wheres the respect for the defending champs?
York still winless after a ridiculous out of conference start to the schedule. anyone know what happened with Holley?
An inconsistent Medgar Evers gets a great W against ramapo on friday night without one of the deare boys, after getting hurt early. CUNY continues to do well out of conference. Bk CSI, john jay also representing the conference well. Amazing how things have turned with Baruch and York struggling.
How about Medgar Evars losing about half of their team following the ineligible player deadline?!?!?
Going into a CONFERENCE game with only 6 players on their roster? That is pretty serious stuff.
Are any schools going to add any bodies for the stretch conference run?
When is the deadline to add players?
Which 6 players are left? If it's the two deares and douglas they ll be fine
I have a question for you. Why was Jose Arroyo not honored on Senior Day at York?
From my calculations
He used his freshman and sophomore years at Kingsborough CC. (Killed my team when he was at Kingsborough too).
Used his Junior Year playing at Brooklyn College. (Played more than 20% of the team's games).
Senior year now playing at York.
How would he possibly be listed as a junior on their roster?
Sincerely,
A Concerned CUNY Fan.
Weird isn't it? Another school had a player listed as a senior for the 3rd yr in a row and played 2nd semester.
Bubba, did he play every semester at the other schools? If he missed one semester due to academic or injury reasons he may have one semester of eligibility left and they can list his as a jr. Keep your eyes open he might just show up again next year in the spring semester.
I've watched a lot of basketball & these refs leave a lot to be desired. There are 2 major issues with these refs-
1) They are wildly inconsistent with their calls (seems to be 2 different games going on on each end of the court).
2) They don't seem to know the rules (and even worse, when there is any doubt, they won't confir with each other to get the call right).
Q. If a player is fouled and has free throws because the other team has 10 team fouls but fouls out committing a flagrant 1 on the same play, who shoots the free throws for him?
Yesterday, at Brooklyn College, was one of the most exciting games of the year. Brooklyn College defeated Medgar Evers College, 79-76, in triple OT in the 1st round of the CUNY tournament. It had all the elements of a barn burner, missed opportunities, game tying shots, game winning misses and clutch free throws. Sad that a team had to lose. This is what college basketball is all about.
Listened to the last few minutes of it online. Evenly matched win-or-go-home games are one of the best things about this week in college basketball!
Very intense game....MEC pg jaw was broke in a loose ball scramble in 1st to I believe.
Quote from: BubbaChuck3 on February 15, 2013, 11:57:22 AM
I have a question for you. Why was Jose Arroyo not honored on Senior Day at York?
From my calculations
He used his freshman and sophomore years at Kingsborough CC. (Killed my team when he was at Kingsborough too).
Used his Junior Year playing at Brooklyn College. (Played more than 20% of the team's games).
Senior year now playing at York.
How would he possibly be listed as a junior on their roster?
Sincerely,
A Concerned CUNY Fan.
One thing to keep in mind is that the medical hardship threshold is not 20%, but one-third of the season, and it's rounded up, so that one-third of a 25-game season is nine games.
I am not in a position to comment on anything else that goes into a medical hardship season, but he satisfies the games-played requirement.
If you are going to say you know a player was ineligible, you damn well better have truth or risk a lawsuit. Some people can't even win with class, a shame. Be careful what you say & to whom you say it to. It will eventually come back to bite you when you least expect it. You are going to wake a sleeping giant.
Just FYI, no need to create a new topic for every post. Generally we have one conversation per conference.
Also, I saw your snarky post on the blog and responded.
Hoping this board wakes back up for this 2013-2014 Season...
Who knows what each team has coming in?
A lot of teams lost a lot of their talent..
CSI and Baruch return almost everyone.. They have to be the favorites.
Does anyone else know what teams might surprise people? Who has some new players?
Bubba - unless the folks that post to your conference keep track I think you're pretty much out of luck to get any details on who is coming in. However, one of the few sites that does a bit of tracking is http://www.d3bballrecruits.com/ and there's always the NERR as well.
The CUNY will be a two-team race between Staten Island and Baruch.
Looking forward to what Baruch has as they go up against F&M Friday night.
Hunter College defeated D2 Queens College 69-65 in Queens College home opener.
Quote from: cunybasketball on November 12, 2013, 10:55:29 PM
Hunter College defeated D2 Queens College 69-65 in Queens College home opener.
...and Queens showed that being D2 doesn't mean you can't still put out a horrible webcast. They should eat one scholarship and use the money on new equipment.
Baruch is very good. They beat Franklin & Marshall on their own floor and almost upset a very big, very deep and very talented Middlebury squad. Last year Middlebury gave up 55-60 points a game to non conference opponents. Baruch lit them up for 89.
Baruch would have had a chance for the upset if 15 and 31 could have finished the game.
I thought prior to the season that Baruch and Staten Island would be the only two candidates to win the conference but York has thrown their hat into the ring. I would not be shocked to see York playing in the final.
Tonight's Hoopsville is set to air starting at 7 PM EST. Tune in to hear from Staten Island coach Tony Petosa and the following guests:
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Oh the irony of posting this to a board where only crickets live...
CUNY finals will be broadcast on ESPN3
http://cunyathletics.com/news/2014/2/19/MBBALL_0219140757.aspx
Anyone? Anyone?
It will be interesting to see if Staten Island can get a Pool C bid if they were to be upset in the CUNYAC final.
Right now they would be in better position then William Paterson in the NJAC. Depends if they get flipped. Either way, I think the Atlantic and East will get the fewest at-large bids (if any for the Atlantic).
Maybe a new year may breed some new life to this board. Certainly there must be some folks interesting in talking CUNY basketball?
What a showing by Baruch this past weekend. Definitely a bit biased as a proud alum...but to hold the lead as long as they did against Seton Hall and to lose by 5 speaks loudly to the talent and hard work shown by the Bearcats.
Any other rumblings or grumblings coming into the season for the CUNYAC?
The basketball season has started for most. Quirky schedules means some have not hit the hardwood as of yet. Tonight, Dave will talk to some who have started, some who have not, and some who are still getting used to new coaches.
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Whats the word on Schettino's injury? He has been out awhile.
Each and every week there are games that will surprise. Each and every season there are programs that will surprise. This season there may be more than the rest.
Tonight on Hoopsville, Dave returns from the NCAA Convention in San Antonio where he got more than a taste of Texas basketball. Plus, there are a few teams making a statement in their conferences and it's time to shine a light on their success.
Dave also got a chance while at the NCAA Convention to talk to the parents of one of the more influencial student-athletes the NCAA has seen. Brent and Lisa Hill talk about the legacy left by their daughter Lauren and the recognition she got from the NCAA.
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Guests include (in order):
- Janson Hightower, Southwestern men's coach
- Cameron Hill, No. 17 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Jessica Ott, Milwaukee Engineering women's coach - WBCA Center Court
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- Steven Schulman, Lehman's men's coach
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For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.
Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4
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Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
Time | Guest | School |
10:15am | Connie Tilley | St. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court |
10:40am | Jamie Purdy | Peidmont (WBB) |
11:00am | Keri Carollo | UW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
11:20am | Brent Pollari | Saint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB) |
11:40am | Kent Madsen | No. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB) |
12:00pm | Russell Loyd | Rose-Hulman (MBB) |
12:20pm | Kevin Broderick | Nazareth (MBB) |
12:40pm | Justin Scott | Arcadia (MBB) |
1:00pm | Sam Hargraves | No. 12 Alma (MBB) |
1:20pm | Lenny Reich | Mount Union (SID) |
1:40pm | Maureen Webster | Clarkson (WBB) |
2:00pm | Betsy Witman | York (Pa.) (WBB) |
2:20pm | Sara Lee | Denison (WBB) |
2:40pm | Klay Kneuppel | Wisconsin Lutheran (MBB) |
3:00pm | Brian Van Haaften | Buena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
3:30pm | Sydney Moss | No. 1 Thomas More (WBB) |
3:45pm | Aaron Rousell | Bucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach |
4:00pm | Tim Shanahan | Staten Island (WBB) |
4:20 | Pat Cunningham | Trinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner |
4:50pm | Bubba Smith | Sewanee (MBB) |
5:15pm | Ben Strong | Former Guilford All-American |
5:30pm | Kevin Connors | ESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus |
6:00pm | Kristen Dowling | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB) |
6:20pm | Allison Coleman | Sage (WBB) |
6:40pm | Landry Kosmalski | Swarthmore (MBB) |
7:00pm | Dave Niland | No. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB) |
7:20pm | Aaron Galletta | Lasell (MBB) |
7:40pm | John Baron | Gwynedd-Mercy (MBB) |
8:00pm | | |
8:20pm | | |
8:40pm | Melissa Hodgdon | Wheaton (Mass.) (WBB) |
9:00pm | G.P. Gromacki | No. 2 Amherst (WBB) |
9:20pm | James Wagner | |
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Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third
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It is down to the final week of the regular season. It is now or never. Win the conference tournament, earn the automatic qualifier, and a team will be playing in March. Don't win it and either hold out hope for an at-large selection or the season is over.
The season continues or ends on the bounce of a ball from here on out.
So who may be in jeopardy and who is sitting pretty? On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), we start to read the tea leaves while also chatting with teams who are hoping to punch their ticket for the Road to Salem or Rochester themselves. Plus, we get a preview of what could be a fascinating weekend of NESCAC tournament action at Amherst.
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How does Lehman get left out at 22-5 and 15-1 in conference? Poor out of conference schedule I'm assuming? Thought the CUNYAC was held with a higher regard.
Their SOS hurt them. They were to far down in RR and needed to win conference tournament to get in.
Quote from: Mr.Know Most Of It on February 26, 2018, 02:38:51 PM
How does Lehman get left out at 22-5 and 15-1 in conference? Poor out of conference schedule I'm assuming? Thought the CUNYAC was held with a higher regard.
Conference doesn't matter - it's just the numbers. Lehman has a .460 SOS number. You will not get into the tournament as an at large with that number ever.
Just out of curiosity, what is a good number for SOS?
Quote from: Mr.Know Most Of It on February 26, 2018, 05:18:45 PM
Just out of curiosity, what is a good number for SOS?
.520 is minimum, usually, for consideration. .535 or .540 is much better. The best teams will be near .600.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 26, 2018, 05:26:12 PM
Quote from: Mr.Know Most Of It on February 26, 2018, 05:18:45 PM
Just out of curiosity, what is a good number for SOS?
.520 is minimum, usually, for consideration. .535 or .540 is much better. The best teams will be near .600.
Good to know, thanks!
Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in
The Basketball Tournament (TBT). You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.
How YOU can help our former elite D3 basketball players
While the end prize of this tournament is a monetary prize, being a D3-lifer, the goal is not the money (we all know that's not why we get into coaching), the goal is to bring an end to the stigma of Division 3 basketball, an awareness of how talented our student-athletes are and that we can compete (and win) against the best. We do need to raise funds for an entry fee, travel, meal and housing expenses for the athletes. In order to do this, we are conducting a crowd-funding campaign through GoFundMe to help make this a reality. These athletes need your support! Just think -- if every Division 3 school donated just $10, we will have raised over $4,000!!!! The link to the GoFundMe Page is below and please SPREAD THE WORD and email me with any questions/concerns at WeAreD3TBT@gmail.com. Thank you in advance for your support and Dave and I look forward to this "D3 Dream Team" taking the court this summer.-Mike Rejniak
Support "We Are D3" In The TBT
https://www.gofundme.com/WeAreD3TBT (https://www.gofundme.com/WeAreD3TBT)
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
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This is it! The regular season is over. The conference titles have been handed out and 86 teams know they will be playing next week in the NCAA Division III men's and women's Championship Tournaments!
However, 42 slots need to be filled. Which programs have best positioned themselves to selected to play for a national title?
It is the biggest show of the year. Bubble teams watch anxiously. Rivals watch wondering if their rivals will make the event. Others watch because ... this is one of the best nights of the entire season.
Tune in a special episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) where we will make our mock selections of who will be in and who will be left out of the DIII national tournaments. Our teams of experts will make the picks using the same criteria the national committees consider.
Plus, hear, one last time before the brackets are announced, from the national committee chairs who discuss how this year's rankings and process have worked out. And hear from some teams who have already punched their tickets to the tournaments - many for the first time in program history!
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. Sunday's special will hit the air at 6:00 p.m. ET right here: http://bit.ly/2XuWjWa (or via Facebook Live or Periscope simulcasts).
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options below.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- John Alesi, Baruch men's coach
- Sam Atkinson, Men's National Committee Chair (Gallaudet Associate Director for Communications)
- Russ Phillips, Alfred men's coach
- Bill Curley, Emerson men's coach
- Karin Harvey, Women's National Committee Chair (Montclair State women's coach)
- Rayne Reber, Rosemont women's coach
- Lyle Jones, Bethany Lutheran women's coach
Men's Mock Selections Team:
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com
- Bob Quillman, IWUHoops.com
- Michael Blaine, Medaille men's coach
Women's Mock Selections Team:
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com
- BJ Spigelmyer, DeSales Sports Information Director
- James Wagner, CSAC Assistant Commissioner
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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Is this already known around here?
https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2019/03/staten-island-applies-d2
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Time for a marathon!
Thursday, Hoopsville will be on the air for at least nine hours in the 7th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
This year's show will feature coaches, administrators, and many others around Division III to give us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there is plenty to talk about.
For more information about the show and its impact, click here.
The show's guest list is below with a rough idea of when they were scheduled to appear during the live show.
The marathon is also a chance to fundraise of the show. Many fans of Hoopsville ask often how they can give to the program so we can continue doing our work into the future. In the first few years of the Marathon, the fundraising side was an important aspect. However in the last few years, we have shyed away from fundraising as we tried to find other means to financially run the program. After requests from many, we are do have a few ways fans can contribute.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch the entire Marathon show LIVE in the video player above. We will effort to turn around podcast episodes of the entire show. They will be available to the right (after the show is off the air).
Guests appear on the Hoopsville Hotline presented by BlueFrame Technology.
And don't forget to interact with the Dave and guests. You can use the social media option to the right and even email (dave.mchugh@d3sports.com) questions to the show.
When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's Marathon Show in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2GBqAuZ (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/marathon)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
All men's coaches appear in the
NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the
BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options.
Hoopsville Marathon ScheduleTiming approximate and subject to change
Time (ET) | Guest | School/Institution |
12:20 p.m. | Jim Calhoun | St. Joseph's (Conn.) men's coach |
12:40 p.m. | Pat Juckem | No. 11 WashU men's coach |
1:00 p.m. | Brian Morehouse | No. 3 Hope women's coach |
1:20 p.m. | Lauren Busalacchi | Ripon women's coach |
1:40 p.m. | Ryan Hyland | John Jay men's coach |
2:00 p.m. | Dan Dutcher | NCAA VP for Division III |
2:40 p.m. | Karin Harvey | Montclair State women's coach, Women's National Committee chair |
3:00 p.m. | Adrienne Shibles | No. 2 Bowdoin women's coach |
3:20 p.m. | Kate Pearson | Cabrini women's coach |
3:40 p.m. | Matt Gilbride | RPI men's coach |
4:00 p.m. | Sam Atkinson | Gallaudet Associate AD for Comm., Men's National Committee Chair |
4:20 p.m. | Matt Donohue | Catholic women's coach |
4:40 p.m. | Charles Katsiaficas | Pomona-Pitzer men's coach |
5:00 p.m. | Jon Herbrechtsmeyer | No. 5 Bethel women's coach |
5:20 p.m. | Chris Carideo | Widener men's coach |
5:40 p.m. | Dave Hixon | Amherst men's coach (sabbatical) |
6:00 p.m. | Tricia Cullop | WBCA Board President, Toledo women's coach |
6:20 p.m. | Alex Richey | No. 18 Oglethorpe women's coach |
6:40 p.m. | Jody May | Albion men's coach |
7:00 p.m. | Dave Macedo | No. 18 Virginia Wesleyan men's coach |
7:20 p.m. | Melissa Kuberka | St. John Fisher women's coach |
8:00 p.m. | HOOPSVILLE HAPPY HOUR | A gaggle of some of the shows friends - to be announced |
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
It is Monday and you should try and spend your afternoon tuned into to Hoopsville!
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One month. That's all that's left in the DIII regular season. It doesn't seem that long ago when the holidays marked an early half-way point and there was still lots to figure out and games to enjoy watching.
There are still lots of games still to enjoy and there is plenty to still figure out. However, just a month remains before the regular season is over and the two 64-team NCAA Tournaments will be set.
Time is running out.
On this midday edition of Hoopsville (due to schedule conflicts), we focus our attention on Regions 1 & 2 (combined), 4, 6, and 8 (the old Northeast, Atlantic, South, and Central) to talk to programs still jockeying for home court advantage in their conference playoffs or to make sure they get into the NCAAs no matter the avenue.
Guests include:
- Rodney Rogan, Rhodes women's coach
- Jon Miller, Hanover men's coach
- Top 25 Men's Double-Take
- Steven Schulman, Lehman men's coach
- Craig Dagan, Maine Maritime women's coach
Hoopsville airs LIVE 1:00 PM ET: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan31 (you can also watch the show On Demand or listen to the podcast after the show goes off the air).
The Hoopsville Marathon is here!
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The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.
Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathonThis year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.
The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.
Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):
- Conner Delaney, Johns Hopkins men's senior
- Frank Marcinek, Susquehanna men's coach
- Dan Krikorian, Chapman men's coach and Co-Host of "Slappin' Glass" podcast
- Minority Coaches Panel:
- Larry Anderson (MIT men's coach)
- Kam Gissendanner (La Roche women's coach)
- Jason Harris (UMass-Boston men's coach)
- Gary Stewart (Stevenson men's coach)
- Gary Stewart, Stevenson men's coach and NABC Board member
- National Committee Chairs:
- Michael Schauer, Wheaton men's coach and men's committee chair
- Megan Wilson, Luther Associate AD and women's committee chair
- Dan Kenny, John Jay men's sophomore and volunteer firefighter
- Jina DeRubbo, Washington & Jefferson women's coach
- Cameron Hill, Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Stephen Gabel, Nazareth men's senior
- State of DIII with Louise McCleary, Interim Vice President for Division III
- Jim Haney, Division III Men's Officiating Coordinator
- Fred Roggin, NBC4 LA Sports Anchor and AM570 LA Sports Host
- Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Gordon Mann and Scott Peterson
- "Happy Hour" with friends of Hoopsville and D3 basketball
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first