Welcome to the Message Board for the St Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC).
What is the outlook for this conference? Anybody have any pre-season report on the teams?
Who is expected to be the cream of the crop?
Which team has the best chance to make a run at the Central Region title?
Webster looks to be strong again this year, they are reloaded and should have another big year...I know i am a maryville fan, but dont be surprised to see them win some conference games this year... they have a nice freshman class
How are the SLIAC team starting out? Any teams off to surprising starts, either good or bad?
these next few weeks should be interesting... Maryville lost 2 of 3 to webster in a excellent low scoring series, Greenville took 2 from Blackburn, Westminster took 2 from fontbonne. So far, Blackburn,Greenville and Webster are all tied at 7-2 in conference play and Maryville holds up the fourth spot in the standings at 7-5. Westminster plays Maryville this week in a HUGE series for both teams. This battle for the last spot in the SLIAC playoffs should be interesting. MacMurray is currently 5-7 in conference play and westminster is 3-6.
Is the UMAC going to rejoin the SLIAC?
Today marks the last day of the conference season. Westminster needs to beat Blackburn twice today to make the SLIAC tourney, knocking Maryville out of the contention. Currently, if Blackburn wins both games today, Maryville will keep their 4th place spot, and make the tourney. Blackburn can also take the conference regular season title with two wins today. The 4 teams that will be in the conference tourney are: 1. Greenville (15-5) Blackburn (14-5), Webster (13-7) and, Maryville (11-10) or Westminster (9-10).
I'll be the first to accept Pat's invitation to post on the baseball site. The 2007 conference tournament starts Thursday with regular season champ Webster playing Maryville, who got in by virtue of two wins against Lincoln Christian today. #2 seed Blackburn is the only team in the tournament to beat Webster. Westminster and Fontbonne each took a game from Webster, but neither made the tournament.
Webster University just beat Illinois Wesleyan 11-7 in the first round of the NCAA Regionals at IWU. They play the winner of the Wash. Univ. vs. Carthage game (now in progress) at 6:00 p.m. tomorrow. ;D ;D
I get to sneak in ahead of furbug and post that Carthage beat Wash U 5-4, so Webster plays Carthage tomorrow. Webster lost twice to Wash U this season, and they have to play a team that just beat Wash U. Still, I think this is a good thing. There have been too many times in recent years that when Wash U is in an NCAA tournament, regardless of sport, and regardless of whether it is men or women, that the SLIAC representative has to play Wash U in the first round. It happened in men's basketball this past year, and in softball just a few weeks ago. Both times the SLIAC team lost. Thankfully the NCAA didn't seed Webster and Wash U so they would have to play each other in the first round today. Now they get to avoid each other for a second game. However, if Wash U and Webster both win tomorrow, they will face each other the next game. The rest of the scenarios are too complicated to predict who will play whom.
IWU jumped on Malat (I assume he's your #1) pretty good - 7 hits and 5 runs in 3.1 innings. But the Gorlok bullpen did great - Driskill and Mueller combined for just 4 hits and 2 runs (just 1 earned) in the remaining 5.2. How is the rest of the Webster staff?
The Titans gambled and threw their #2 at the Gorloks today, but it wasn't as condescending as it may sound: Foster finished number 2 in the CCIW in ERA! Congratulations. :'(
Carthage used their #1 against WashU (Husing pitched a complete game for the win), but they won't drop much either - their top 3 all finished in the top 7 of the CCIW in ERA. (But none of them, even Husing, had a conference season to match Foster, and you already nailed him.) I'll be rooting for the CCIW, but good luck to you - as a fifth seed, you've already exceeded the NCAA's expectations so may as well go for broke!
Actually Wes Hilliard has been the most consistent for the Gorloks this year. He is 8-1 with a 4.06 ERA compared to Malat's 4-2 with a 5.19 ERA. Malat had tough luck early in the year against non-conference teams, but has done well lately. Eric Mckinley is 5-0 with a 3.19 ERA. I do not know who will go tomorrow. There are several other pitchers who can rise to the occasion as you saw Mueller (3-0, 0.31 ERA) and Driskill (4-3, 4.75 ERA) do today.
Which is better for IWU, to have lost to Webster using their #2 starter and having their #1 starter to get them out of the losers bracket, or to have won their first game with their #1 pitcher (too late for that now) and have their #2 pitcher going up against Carthage? Since IWU beat Carthage 3 times this season, how much should they be worried about losing today?
IWU only split 2-2 with Augie (and have lost the last 2), and is currently down 3-2 in the third (Aronson only gave up 3 earned runs ALL SEASON), so I would judge that they are plenty worried! Though, having gone 20-1 in the conference, including a number of comeback wins, they are hopefully simultaneously confident but not complacent.
Interesting. Keep us posted.
IWU down 4-3 to Augie in the 7th.
As posted earlier, I'm not sure Webster used their No. 1 starter yesterday. Malat had a solid season, but was up and down. Hilliard was the so-called No. 1 and McKinley was very good down the stretch.
Sorry didn't get to finish my post before hitting return by accident. Anyway, McKinley was probably the best pitcher down the stretch for Webster, so they have two top options for today's game. I figured one of these guys would go the first game over Malat, but it worked out fine for Webster. It should be an interesting game today.
Augustana beat IWU in 11 innings, 6-5
This means of course that #2 seed IWU is out of the tournament at their home field. furbug had hoped to get up there for Webster's game yesterday, but could not when they changed the game time. Then plans to go today fell through. Hopefully it will work out tomorrow and/or Friday. ;)
Luther beat Washinton Univ. 4-2. Wash U. is out.
Webster loses to Carthage 6-4 last night. Plays Augustana today at 3 p.m.. Winner will still be in it and will play either Carthage or Luther at 6 p.m. tonight.
Carthage 6 Luther 3. Carthage is only team now without a loss.
Webster led Augie 7-1 after 4 ... and lost 15-7! I'd assume that the pitching staff just ran out of gas.
But congratulations on a very nice season.
Yes! A very nice season for Webster with their new coach. From what I heard it was more than the pitching staff running out of gas, some poor fielding. Auguatana (#6 seed) seems to be the big surprise of the tournament. They are playing Luther a second time right now, after losing to them by 3-1 first round.
Augie beat #1 seed Luther 6-1, setting up an all-CCIW final tomrrow.
Too bad my home team forgot to show up for the tourney! :'(
Augustana sure was hitting today.
Meanwhile Washington Univ. women's softball team beat Plattsburg St. in the College world Series 8-0 tonight in 5 innings behind a no-hitter by Laurel Sagartz.
Well, the tourney was half CCIW from the start. Was your team IWU? My son went there for 3 years, then transferred to Emerson College in Boston.
Quote from: furbug on May 18, 2007, 10:35:14 PM
Well, the tourney was half CCIW from the start. Was your team IWU? My son went there for 3 years, then transferred to Emerson College in Boston.
Yeah, I'm a 1970 Titan grad. First year following baseball. A magical conference season (20-1) surrounded by mediocrity (12-12 for games before and after, plus non-conference during).
I have friends in Springfield, IL with two kids (a junior and a freshman) at Augie, so I'll have to root for Augie tomorrow.
Yes, it was a good season for Webster. Even one win in the NCAA tournament is a step forward. They had been in the tournament the previous two years without a victory. The first year head coach led them to a record number of wins. The future is bright.
Mr. Ypsi,
My son was at IWU from 1978 - 1981, not too much after you. I went up there for a football game, maybe some other events. As I recall, they were not very good at that time.
I'll root for Augie also. Why not??? :P :-\
Carthage beat Augie 5-4
Wash U. women moving on, beat Wisconsin Eau Claire 1-0 in 8 innings, another shutout by Sagartz.
Good showing by the Gorloks at IWU in the Central regional. Im sure most expected Webster to go 2 and out. Superb hitting and great use of the hit and runs and bunts I feel was there strengths.
This has to be huge for the Sliac. I am wondering if a team had ever won an NCAA baseball tourney game before this. Anyone know?? I really feel the Gorloks showed the SLIAC can be just as good as some of the bigger conferences.
Whats the SLIAC outlook for next season?? I think Webster loses some of there stars, but has lot coming back.. Im sure the powers will be Webster, Blackburn and Greenville, and Maryville has a lot back from the team that finished 4th.. so thats who i expect to be in the hunt next year. Fontbonne and Westmin can battle as well.
Rumor has MacMurray may not have sports next year. Any truth to this??
baseball07,
Nice comment on the Gorloks. I agree that they did a great job this year and beating IWU was huge. I cannot answer your question about whether or not a team has ever won an NCAA baseball tourney game before this. Probably someone out there knows that. The Gorloks did show that the SLIAC can be just as good as some of the bigger conferences. They played eventual tournament winner Carthage very well in their 6-4 loss. It will take some time, but we are gradually getting there.
As for next season, Webster does lose some of their stars, but the total senior count on a very large squad is only 9. Essentially all of the pitchers should be back.
The change in subject heading is to facilitate identifying a specific message board by sport and then by subject. Good luck in 2008.
Pre-Season rankings are out for the SLIAC.
BASEBALL
1. Webster (8)
2. Greenville
3. Maryville (1)
4. Blackburn
5. Fontbonne
6. Westminster
7. Principia
8. Eureka
9. MacMurray
That is one of the biggest jokes ever. Number 1. Westminster owns Fontbonne. End of story there. 2. Blackburn has not finished lower than 2nd place in god knows how long. A team that returns every position player but one is being given no respect. 3. Principia may have lost some major talent but they made their mark in the SLIAC last spring. Dont count them out and automatically push them back down to 7th.
The SLIAC tournament was rained out. Webster gets the automatic bid. Final standings:
Final standings:
Conf. All
Webster 21-3 28-13
Westminster (Mo.) 16-8 23-13
Maryville (Mo.) 15-9 20-19
Greenville 14-10 20-19
Eureka 13-10 16-18
Blackburn 11-13 13-27
Fontbonne 10-13 15-19
Principia 3-20 11-27
MacMurray 3-20 6-26
In the Augie regional, Webster defeats both top seeded Illinois Wesleyan and 2nd seeded Wisconsin Stevens Point - what a fantastic job by the 6th seeded (Bottom) Gorlocks.
3rd seeded Augustana has two one run wins, Webster, Wartburg and Linfield each have one loss in this double elimination format.
Ultimate Congrats to Webster!!!!
I was wondering why this site had been so quiet. At least Hopefan is keeping track. Y-jak has been also. Webster beat Augustana tonight and plays the winner of Augustana-Linfield tomorrow for the regional championship. No Webster team has gone this far before. This is exciting!
If I had not of wrecked my knee yesterday while cutting the grass, I'd be recruiting yjack and the bugman for a quick trip up to Augie - may be a quick trip to the er instead....
I considered making the trip, Hopefan. I was thinking about going up there early yesterday and staying over for today's game, but decided against it. I'm sorry now I did not go, although both of yesterday's games might have been a little too much for the old ticker. Not good about wrecking your knee cutting the grass. It looks like I'll be doing that today (cutting the grass, that is, not wrecking my knee, I hope). Of course I also have the grand-kids games to go to.
Webster leading Linfield 2-0 after 5 innings
Going to the bottom of the 8th, Webster leads Linfield, 2-0.
Eric McKinley on the mound for the Gorloks.
Shannon Chung walks to open the bottom of the 8th for Linfield. David Bachofner gets a walk; Chung moves to second. Stew Davis drives home Chung on a double. Gunnar Cederberg pinch runs for Davis. Bachofner is held at third.
McKinley is relieved by Greg Bade for Webster. (Bade has a side-arm delivery.)
Drew Van Cleave up with no outs for Linfield. He goes 6-3, but gets the RBI. Cederberg moves to third.
Kevin Mills scores Cederberg on a SAC FLY to center.
Fenton grounds out to end the inning.
3runs, one hit, LOB 0. Linfield 3-2.
Robert Vaughn takes the mound for the bottom of the ninth for Linfield.
?? HBP. Pinch runner Jesse Watson.
Wesley Hilliard pinch hitting, executes the bunt, 1-3. Watson goes to second.
John Combs batting... Base on balls.
Coach Brosius relieves Vaughn with RHP Cameron Larson.
#9 hitter Nathan Shelton at bat... singles to left and scores Watson. Tied at 3
Intentional pass to load the bases.
Grant Bellak is pinch-hitting. Chung to Bachofner to Stanley, 4-6-3.
Going to the bottom of the 9th tied at 3.
Bade to face Stanley, who flies to left.
Jordan Boustead, grounds out 5-3 on attempted bunt single.
Cory Ellis, the lead-off batter, 6-3. Three up and three down. Going to the 10th.
Top of the 10th, Evan Hilberg in relief for Linfield.
Webster -- Andrew Fuiten at the plate, out swinging.
Greg Steen -- flies out to RF.
Dakota Huey HBP
Tom Kotis pinch-hitting for Webster . Huey is caught stealing. Third out.
Linfield is coming to bat in the bottom of the 10th.
Chung, Bachofner and Davis up in the bottom of the 10th.
Chung is on, E-6.
Bachofner bunts safely down the first base line. (It is frustrating when the announcer does not announce who made the plays. 3-1, I assume.)
Brian Kerr is pinching and intentionally walked.
Van Cleave up, one out runners on 1st and 2nd, pops up in the infield.
Kevin Mills up, two outs, HBP.
Rhett Fenton singles home the winning run on the first pitch. Chung scores.
Final Linfield 4-3.
Who is the home team?
Linfield is home team
I got it now. I am easily confused :)
What a shame! Congratulations to Linfield on the comeback, but congratulations to Webster on a terrific season and for representing the SLIAC with distinction. Thanks, Ralph, for that play by play.
Quote from: furbug on May 17, 2008, 07:12:38 PM
What a shame! Congratulations to Linfield on the comeback, but congratulations to Webster on a terrific season and for representing the SLIAC with distinction. Thanks, Ralph, for that play by play.
I was brought up by my dad listening to "radio baseball".
Lots of great memories there... ;)
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2008, 07:14:42 PM
I was brought up by my dad listening to "radio baseball".
Lots of great memories there... ;)
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As kids in NJ, my brother and I listened to the Brooklyn Dodgers games with Red Barber regularly. Your play-by play reminded me of those old ticker tape broadcasts, where you had to sweat out each play with the ticker going but not knowing.
Congratulations to the Gorloks on a stellar postseason run! Beating the #1, #2, and #3 seeds en route to the title game - not bad for a 6th seed! :o
Adrian finally broke through for the MIAA - first conference team ever in the World Series. Has the SLIAC ever sent a team, or was this the closest they've come?
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 17, 2008, 08:41:53 PM
Congratulations to the Gorloks on a stellar postseason run! Beating the #1, #2, and #3 seeds en route to the title game - not bad for a 6th seed! :o
Adrian finally broke through for the MIAA - first conference team ever in the World Series. Has the SLIAC ever sent a team, or was this the closest they've come?
This was the closest ever.
It was also the first time that Webster had contended for a Regional title.
Great run for Webster. That's one of the great things about baseball, IMHO.
Gorloks have four players earn All-Central Region honors from the ABCA
First team
2B - Alex Raetzloff
OF - Andrew Fuiten
P - Brett Mueller
Second Team
OF - David Umfleet
Raetzloff, Fuiten and Mueller are now eligible for All-American honors
Lets put this season into perspective, Webster is pre season 26th in the nation. Maryville who is making the transition to division 2 only lost 2 starters, one of which was hurt for most of the season. SO technically they are returning 8 starters. RUMOR mill says that Neece has had to have tommy john surgery which will put greenville out of any contention. Westminster is always a solid ball club and fontbonne looks good too. Macmurry, well not much to say there, eureka is getting better, and principia is always a sleeper. Blackburn, you never know but they lost a good core from last year and for being Division III player to watch holdman their first basemen only hit about .215 last year. So i'll put down my predictions and just see how it all works out.
Webster (1)
Maryville (2)
Westminster (3)
Fontbonne (4)
Eureka (5) This is NOT my predictions for the tourney though
Blackburn (6)
Greenville (7)
Principia (8)
MacMurray (9)
Definatly also looking forward to spaulding joining the sliac, dont know much about them, but its always good to see a growing conference.
Let's really put this season in perspective. Can the Gorlocks repeat as champs? The preseason 26th Nationally ranked team are they as good as advised. I think so regardless of what conference they play in they beat a few teams last year whom were in power conferences and Nationally ranked. Maryville is a pretty good team and should be up there in the top 4 teams. Word on the message board is the most feared SLIAC hitter Neece is recovering from surgery so we will see what happens to Greenville also they don't have Justin Litteken their all conference starter from last year don't know what happen since he was only a Sophomore. Westminster should be a top 4 teams as it proved it last year. Don't know about Fontbonne alot of new faces so don't know what to expect but they should be decent and fighting for the 4th spot. Also, Blackburn lost a good core from last year but they have always been a good team so they will be fighting for the fourth spot as well. Eureka who has been moving up in the SLIAC lost their all conference ace Benji Cashdollar to graduation but they still have potential to be a contender. Principia was tied with MacMurray for last in the SLIAC last year in 2007 they were a surprise and last year was their down year. Don't know what to expect from this year they won all three of their conference games on the road and beat one postseason team (Maryville). Last and not least MacMurray. They were tied with Principia last year in the bottom. They were an up and down team with Greenville they set a SLIAC record for runs scored in a game winning 25-19. They can score but their pitching and defense were terrible at times especially at shortstop. They return everybody except their catcher who was not impressive and they add a few new faces so we will see what happens.
1st SLIAC Conference games are March 11th 2009 3:00 PM Maryville @ Westminster
Preseason Predictions:
Webster(1)
Maryville(2)
Westminster(3)
Greenville(4)
Blackburn(5)
Fontbonne(6)
Eureka(7)
MacMurray(8)
Principia(9)
bold choice with greenville at 4. I also know a few people at blackburn who has said that the starting center fielder, slayton, who also lead the team in home runs will be leaving the school for the army. kudos to him on that. also lost the side armed bloodworth to transfer and reliever gvillo as well. however they did bring in three solid jr. college transfers, a pitcher, 3rd basemen, and outfielder, but there will still be a major hole in centerfield without slayton.
I think that the number 4 spot is wide open it is unknown to which team could pull it out we will have 2 see what happens in conference play but we know Blackburn, Fontbonne, and Greenville will all be in the hunt with Eureka and MacMurray and even Principia looking in maybe. Blackburn losing one of their top players meet be hard for them to cope with but only time will tell with that. But Greenville returns many of their same nucleus from last year so some others guys around Neece will have to step up until he can play.
Some of the Top Hitters of 2008 Returning in the SLIAC
Greenville: Stefan Neece 2006 NCOY, 3 time All SLIAC Team, 2008 ABCA/Rawlings All-Central Region (.417) and Zach Miller (.306)
Maryville: Bill Allerdissen 3 time All SLIAC Team, 2008 ABCA/Rawlings All-Central Region, 2008 NCAA Division III Toughest to Strike Out statistical champion (.389) and Robert Huckstep (.356)
Webster: Andrew Fuiten (.438) 2008 SLIAC NCOY and 2008 SLIAC POY, 2008 ABCA/Rawlings All-Central Region, 2008 All-Central Region Tournament team. 2009 Preseason All American Alex Raetzloff 2007 SLIAC POY, 2008 ABCA/Rawlings All-Central Region 2008 ABCA All-American, 2008 All-Central Region Tournament team, 2009 Preseason All American 2 time All SLIAC Team (.409)
Fontbonne: Dan Horn 2008 All SLIAC Team, 2008 ABCA/Rawlings All-Central Region (.410) Andrew Almany 2008 All SLIAC Team (.395)
Westminster: Mike Silver 2008 All SLIAC Team (.361) and Joe Leake 3 Time All SLIAC Team (.358)
Eureka: Kyle Koerner 2008 All SLIAC Team (.376) and Mike Wagner 2008 All SLIAC Team (.324)
Blackburn: Matt Spala 2008 All SLIAC Team (.365)
Principia: Jeff Strickland (.278)
MacMurray: Mikie Sellers (.345) and Jordan Missey (.330)
Also, I was looking at the all conference selection from 2008 and wondering how Principia's Spencer Brown who hit (.252) and made 18 errors @ SS made it over both of MacMurray's Mikie Sellers and Jordan Missey. I understand Missey was tied for the most errors in the SLIAC but Sellers was a pretty good player. Looking at the stats I saw that he hit (.345) 7th in the conference in Doubles only made 2 errors on the year in CF and was their leadoff man. Are the coaches overlooking him? Why was he not picked? I talked to a few MacMurray players from last year and they felt he was one of the best OFs in the SLIAC. Some feel race maybe was an issue. MacMurray is the only SLIAC team with black players and he is one of them.
Webster has had the SLIAC POY in 2007 and 2008. Will it be a 3 Peat for Webster and if so who will it be?
Quote from: ready2win on January 21, 2009, 12:04:32 PM
Also, I was looking at the all conference selection from 2008 and wondering how Principia's Spencer Brown who hit (.252) and made 18 errors @ SS made it over both of MacMurray's Mikie Sellers and Jordan Missey. I understand Missey was tied for the most errors in the SLIAC but Sellers was a pretty good player. Looking at the stats I saw that he hit (.345) 7th in the conference in Doubles only made 2 errors on the year in CF and was their leadoff man. Are the coaches overlooking him? Why was he not picked? I talked to a few MacMurray players from last year and they felt he was one of the best OFs in the SLIAC. Some feel race maybe was an issue. MacMurray is the only SLIAC team with black players and he is one of them.
Have we really not moved past race?
I don't know the whole story but I know that from a few friends of mine in the conference said this kid is pretty good and he gets overlooked by a guy hitting .252 with 18 errors. The SLIAC is about high BAs because everybody except Brown was hitting above .300 or better. I'm not saying Baseball coaches in the SLIAC or racist or anything I'm just asking a question so don't get all caught up and take it the wrong way.
Sellers is a good ball player, ive seen him play in the monte claire league and for Mac. He has speed and although the swing isint all there, all he needs to do is put it on the ground. i saw him track down quite a few balls last year. two of the memorable ones were against webster he caught a ball almost behind the left fielder that was hit by fuiten, and against Blackburn, a game in which Mac beat Blackburn, with the bases loaded up by 3 i believe, the catcher, Savoy hit a ball dead center that in any other field would have been a grand slam, but Sellers tracked it down like it was no big deal sealing their first win over blackburn in as long as anyone can remember. the only problem is, he had a lot of competition in center field from the rest of the conference. AND NEECE is hurt and most likely out for the year from what im hearing so hes not exactly a "good returning hitter"
p.s. i like seeing this many people involved in the sliac baseball section. keep on posting and invite some other people to share their opinions.
Good to hear someone has seen this kid play. His bat must be pretty good if he hit(.345) with 12 Doubles. I'm looking forward to seeing him play and the rest of the good players in the SLIAC. Good posts theoneandonly. If Neece is out who will fill his void which will be a HUGE void to fill? Thats a BIG lost for Greenville if he is out for the year. TheOneandonly or anybody else that knows does aybody know what happen to Greenville's 2 Time All SLIAC Pitcher Justin Littken? I see he is not on their roster did he transfer? Any other injury reports on any other teams?
greenville has a couple of capeable players who can take over the role at 1st. but definatly wont fill Neeces shoes if he is in face hurt. littiken, is a mystery to everyone around the league, if you know anyone from greenville, you may want to ask them because i believe they are the only ones that know. ALSO, there is a rumor that one of blackburns transfers is hurt, i dont know wether it is the outfielder or pitcher, but i know its not the new 3rd basemen, Adam Cadle. Some of you may remember him from a couple of years ago in juco. he took about a year or a year and a half off but i hear he looks as strong as a horse so he is my vote for NCOY. I also have heard that Maryville has brought in a stud pitcher from a juco, but im not aware of his name.
Does anyone know when Eureka is planning on adding their Roster to their website?
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 01:43:46 PM
Does anyone know when Eureka is planning on adding their Roster to their website?
AND has anyone notices the amount of players on some of the teams
Westminster: 36 players
Webster: 29
Principia: 24
Maryville: 31
Macmurray: NOT ADDED
Greenville: 32 including Neece whos injured.
Fontbonne:39
Eureka: NOT ADDED
Blackburn: 18
NEXT YEARS ADDITION: Spaulding: 25
Other than Blackburn and the teams that havent added their rosters yet, the sliac is starting to get a plethora of players! thats pretty exciting.
quite a difference between the d3baseball.com polls and other.. they had webster at 26th in the other polls but d3 baseball didnt even mention them.
School (1st votes) Rec. Pts Prev.
1 Cortland State (12) 42-5 586 6
2 Chapman (4) 40-5 578 4
3 Trinity (Conn.) (7) 45-1 555 1
4 UW-Whitewater (1) 42-10 491 3
5 Johns Hopkins (1) 42-8 465 2
6 Adrian 36-13 459 5
7 Kean 39-11 394 9
8 Heidelberg 41-10 392 10
9 Salisbury 41-4 385 7
10 Southern Maine 36-14 377 18
11 Wooster 36-11 338 20
12 Texas-Tyler 36-9 318 23
13 Eastern Connecticut 32-15 284 --
14 Linfield 35-13 275 8
15 St. Scholastica 35-6 265 14
16 Illinois Wesleyan 33-11 217 15
17 Marietta 23-20 175 --
18 St. Thomas 34-9 171 11
19 Wheaton (Mass.) 34-10 147 12
20 Lynchburg 32-13 143 --
21 Thiel 29-15 115 --
22 RPI 36-12 112 13
23 UW-Oshkosh 29-11 89 --
24 Carthage 36-10 87 17
25 Augustana 34-13 71 24
From d3baseball.com
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC): Webster has earned 3 of the past 4 SLAIC titles and fields another strong team in 2009. They will be led by D3baseball.com Second-Team all-American OF Andrew Fuiten (.438, 12 HR, 54RBI) and Honorable Mention Alex Raetzloff (.409, 65R, 5 3B) who will move from second base to the outfield in 2009. These two bats alone will keep Webster near the top of the SLIAC. Expecting to pressure Webster at the top are Greenville, Westminster and MacMurray but Webster is just too strong to be challenged in the SLIAC this season. The Gorloks are our pick to grab the Pool A bid from this conference. The top 4 teams qualify for the SLIAC tournament with the winner earning a Pool A bid.
im not trying to knock down mac, but im not really sure why they are even mentioned in this. unless they revamped every single position but centerfield, i dont think they are going to doing much competing for the SLIAC title
some of my sources have told me that Mike Oliveri, Jr. Pitcher from Westminster has really looked to improve this season. Last year Oliveri was 2-2 with a 2.00 ERA over 27 innings which are some solid stats. He also had 16 appearances and led the team and conference with 6 Saves. Other than that here are my sleeper picks for the SLIAC baseball teams. Sleeper = guys who have been overlooked in the past but should really make some noise this year. (thats my defination for this picking situation.)
Feel free to post your own picks too! the more the merrier!
Westminster - Such a large team but i choose Jimmy Gesling, IF, Look for hit bat and glovework to improve
Webster - On a very well rounded team i look for the sleeper pick to be Dakota Huey. He posted solid numbers last year batted .355 with 14 doubles 2 triples 3 hrs and 34 rbis but majorly over shadowed by Fuiten and raetzaloff
Principia - Jeff Strickland young kid a lot to build on hes quick and not to sure what he can do on the mound yet
Maryville - Andrew Haven - Solid catcher who swings from the left side. Although batting around .250-.260ish look for this, his senior season, as a break out season for him
MacMurray - Sellers fast outfielder who gets to EVERYTHING, not the greatest swing but finds his way on base, the best base stealer Mac has as well as base runner, and fielder. The kid is a class act as well. Highlanders are lucky to have snuck this kid in to their school of many other schools that he could have gone to.
Greenville - Matt Leefers got hit pretty well last year but has done a lot of work in the off season. stopped by the panthers training facility to watch for a minute and saw a little bit of the work out and he seems determined to get better, only time will tell i guess.
Fontbonne - with Dan Horn on the team its really hard to notice anyone else, so my random pick will go to Preston Strett from Bayless High because i really like the coaching staff out there. Strett needs to work on his fielding skills a bit and he will be good to go.
Eureka - Cashdollar pt. II, hopefully he has found eureka's local weight room though otherwise this pick might be out there, he has a lot of room to improve but if he takes after his brother at all he will settle in just fine. The devils will love having him around if he keeps up the family tradition
Blackburn - Jason Steckel, IF , Started two seasons ago as a transfer and I believe got snubbed last season. saw minimal action last year. but will be a huge asset to this small team of 18. One of the few left handed batters blackburn has, probably the only sure handed one. Glove is great, look for him to do big things for the beavers.
tell me what you think.
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Quote from: theoneandonly on Yesterday at 11:10:50 pm
some of my sources have told me that Mike Oliveri, Jr. Pitcher from Westminster has really looked to improve this season. Last year Oliveri was 2-2 with a 2.00 ERA over 27 innings which are some solid stats. He also had 16 appearances and led the team and conference with 6 Saves. Other than that here are my sleeper picks for the SLIAC baseball teams. Sleeper = guys who have been overlooked in the past but should really make some noise this year. (thats my defination for this picking situation.)
Feel free to post your own picks too! the more the merrier!
Westminster - Such a large team but i choose Jimmy Gesling, IF, Look for hit bat and glovework to improve
Webster - On a very well rounded team i look for the sleeper pick to be Dakota Huey. He posted solid numbers last year batted .355 with 14 doubles 2 triples 3 hrs and 34 rbis but majorly over shadowed by Fuiten and raetzaloff
Principia - Jeff Strickland young kid a lot to build on hes quick and not to sure what he can do on the mound yet
Maryville - Andrew Haven - Solid catcher who swings from the left side. Although batting around .250-.260ish look for this, his senior season, as a break out season for him
MacMurray - Sellers fast outfielder who gets to EVERYTHING, not the greatest swing but finds his way on base, the best base stealer Mac has as well as base runner, and fielder. The kid is a class act as well. Highlanders are lucky to have snuck this kid in to their school of many other schools that he could have gone to.
Greenville - Matt Leefers got hit pretty well last year but has done a lot of work in the off season. stopped by the panthers training facility to watch for a minute and saw a little bit of the work out and he seems determined to get better, only time will tell i guess.
Fontbonne - with Dan Horn on the team its really hard to notice anyone else, so my random pick will go to Preston Strett from Bayless High because i really like the coaching staff out there. Strett needs to work on his fielding skills a bit and he will be good to go.
Eureka - Cashdollar pt. II, hopefully he has found eureka's local weight room though otherwise this pick might be out there, he has a lot of room to improve but if he takes after his brother at all he will settle in just fine. The devils will love having him around if he keeps up the family tradition
Blackburn - Jason Steckel, IF , Started two seasons ago as a transfer and I believe got snubbed last season. saw minimal action last year. but will be a huge asset to this small team of 18. One of the few left handed batters blackburn has, probably the only sure handed one. Glove is great, look for him to do big things for the beavers.
tell me what you think.
I like your pics especially Huey of Webster. He's arguably one of the best OF's in the SLIAC but definitely is getting overlooked by two of the best players in the SLIAC on your team but hey that more opportunities for him.
Also I was wondering what you meant by this: Sellers, The kid is a class act as well. Highlanders are lucky to have snuck this kid in to their school of many other schools that he could have gone to.
Do you know him personally or have you coached him or against him?
Here's my list the top 10 OFs my picks are based on Batting average, Fielding and speed:
1. Chad Henkelman, Maryville, SR- Hit .352 had 62 Catches, 59 Putouts 3 Assists and NO ERRORS (1.000 Field Pct)
2. Dakota Huey, Webster, JR.- Hit .355 had 95 Catches, 89 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.968 Fielding Pct)
3. Mikie Sellers, MacMurray, SR.- Hit .345 had 69 Catches, 64 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.971 Fielding Pct)
4. Matt Spala, Blackburn, SO..- Hit .365 had 36 Catches, 32 Putouts 3 Assists and 1 Errors (.972 Fielding Pct)
5. Mike Scott, Greenville, SR.- Hit .337 had 53 Catches, 48 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.962 Fielding Pct)
6. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
7. Mike Silver, Westminster, SR..- Hit .361 had 25 Catches, 24 Putouts 0 Assists and 1 Errors (.960 Fielding Pct)
7. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct )
8. VJ Reynolds, Westminster, SO.- Hit .313 had 49 Catches, 45 Putouts 1 Assists and 3 Errors (.939 Fielding Pct)
9. Mike Wagner, Eureka, SR.- Hit .324 had 33 Catches, 27 Putouts 3 Assists and 3 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
10. Alex Raetzloff, Webster, SR.- Hit .409 had 182 Catches, 86 Putouts 87 Assists and 9 Errors (.951 Fielding Pct) Played IF the last 2 years
No offense to Principia they just don't have any standout OFs to me I may be wrong who knows. Tell me what you think?
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I like your pics especially Huey of Webster. He's arguably one of the best OF's in the SLIAC but definitely is getting overlooked by two of the best players in the SLIAC on your team but hey that more opportunities for him.
Also I was wondering what you meant by this: Sellers, The kid is a class act as well. Highlanders are lucky to have snuck this kid in to their school of many other schools that he could have gone to.
Do you know him personally or have you coached him or against him?
Here's my list the top 10 OFs my picks are based on Batting average, Fielding and speed:
1. Chad Henkelman, Maryville, SR- Hit .352 had 62 Catches, 59 Putouts 3 Assists and NO ERRORS (1.000 Field Pct)
2. Dakota Huey, Webster, JR.- Hit .355 had 95 Catches, 89 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.968 Fielding Pct)
3. Mikie Sellers, MacMurray, SR.- Hit .345 had 69 Catches, 64 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.971 Fielding Pct)
4. Matt Spala, Blackburn, SO..- Hit .365 had 36 Catches, 32 Putouts 3 Assists and 1 Errors (.972 Fielding Pct)
5. Mike Scott, Greenville, SR.- Hit .337 had 53 Catches, 48 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.962 Fielding Pct)
6. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
7. Mike Silver, Westminster, SR..- Hit .361 had 25 Catches, 24 Putouts 0 Assists and 1 Errors (.960 Fielding Pct)
7. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct )
8. VJ Reynolds, Westminster, SO.- Hit .313 had 49 Catches, 45 Putouts 1 Assists and 3 Errors (.939 Fielding Pct)
9. Mike Wagner, Eureka, SR.- Hit .324 had 33 Catches, 27 Putouts 3 Assists and 3 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
10. Alex Raetzloff, Webster, SR.- Hit .409 had 182 Catches, 86 Putouts 87 Assists and 9 Errors (.951 Fielding Pct) Played IF the last 2 years
No offense to Principia they just don't have any standout OFs to me I may be wrong who knows. Tell me what you think?
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Well ive never coached or knew him personally, BUT ive seen him play in a lot of games and he has never once acted out on the field (that i have seen) and always seems to be a stand up player, the type of guy that would help the opposing team player off the field if he was hurt.
As for you outfield picks i have a couple of comments. I never realized Fuiten had 9 errors.. good thing he rakes because 9 errors in the OF isint too hot. Same with raetzeloff. Prin has a new young kid that looks like he might bring some talent into the OF for them.. My pics werent all outfielders btw. just my underdog picks. but i like that you ranked the OF's. Henkelman is a pretty good outfielder. Spala i think is pretty over-rated. hes a hitter that looks afraid in the batters box. i think his batting average doesnt show how he truely plays. Hes a lazy outfielder. Oh and you put fuiten in your top 10 twice haha, i sure hope webster doesnt have two of him this year!
Thats great we need more players like that in the SLIAC. I've only seen him play a few times and I thought he was pretty under control. I've seen him play more soccer than Baseball. Yea Fuiten's defense is suspect they may want to try to move him to DH. They moved Raetzloff to the OF hopefully he doesn't have the defensive effect of Fuiten. Good thing for Prin on getting a young talented OF. I know all your pics weren't OFs I figured I would do a Top 10 Ofs list and see if you would do one as well. You think u could? Yea Henkelman is a pretty good OF and I heard from a few people that Spala is lazy and not that good of a OF. Webster shouln't have two of them if they do that trouble for other teams offensively but defense that would be great another 9 errors fielder ;DLookin forward to your top 10 OFs. Mac and Eureka need to hurry up and put their rosters up so we can see who has the fewest and the most players.
Ha! mac and eureka do need to hurry it up so we can see who has the least and most haha! BUT i havent done OF picks. But now, i will give me a little while and i will put them up.
Quote from: ready2win on January 30, 2009, 01:16:50 PM
Thats great we need more players like that in the SLIAC. I've only seen him play a few times and I thought he was pretty under control. I've seen him play more soccer than Baseball. Yea Fuiten's defense is suspect they may want to try to move him to DH. They moved Raetzloff to the OF hopefully he doesn't have the defensive effect of Fuiten. Good thing for Prin on getting a young talented OF. I know all your pics weren't OFs I figured I would do a Top 10 Ofs list and see if you would do one as well. You think u could? Yea Henkelman is a pretty good OF and I heard from a few people that Spala is lazy and not that good of a OF. Webster shouln't have two of them if they do that trouble for other teams offensively but defense that would be great another 9 errors fielder ;DLookin forward to your top 10 OFs. Mac and Eureka need to hurry up and put their rosters up so we can see who has the fewest and the most players.
For Webster, Fuiten played 6 games at SS and 7 games at 2B last year, which is where many of his errors occured. He looked a little more comfortable in the outfield.
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For Webster, Fuiten played 6 games at SS and 7 games at 2B last year, which is where many of his errors occured. He looked a little more comfortable in the outfield.
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I was going to say i didnt think i saw Fuiten make 9 errors in the OF granted i wasnt at EVERY game. but whats the defense for raetzeloff?
sorry ive been busy, still dont have those OF picks yet. I hear Fontbonne has a couple of injured players early. the names arent exactly sure yet.
Since i dont think we can start a poll in themiddle of this... you be the judge
WHO WILL WIN THE SLIAC IN 09'?
(You dont even have to give reasons if you dont want to.)
Webster is going to win the regular season title but the tournament title will be up for grabs because its Webster's to lose. They have all the pressure of winning another conference title. No one expects any of the other conference teams having a good shot in winning the title. Webster only lost 3 conference games last year and none of them were @ home (@ Eureka, @ Greenville and @ Maryville). 2 of the 3 teams were in the conference tourney. Webster didn't lose a series in conference play. I think that more teams will start tryin 2 do their best to give Webster losses but when its all said and done Webster is a good team. They were the best offensive team in the SLIAC last season but they also had the 3rd most errors in the SLIAC as well. So unless teams can take advantage of their mistakes its going to be hard to beat Webster.
TOP 10 OUTFIELDERS IN THE CONFERENCE (INCLUDING FRESHMEN & TRANSFERS)
In no particular Order
Bill Allerdissen-Maryville
Chad Henkelman-Maryville
Bo Bunton-Maryville
Mikie Sellers-MacMurray
Dakota Huey-Webster
Andrew Fuiten-Webster
Alex Raetzloff-Webster
Anthony Matecki-Blackburn
Mike Scott-Greenville
Mike Silver-Westminster
Matthew Spala-Blackburn is possibility if he learns to actually hussle on the field and out of the batters box. I guess we will have to wait and see on him.
Anything else? or Anyone I missed?
That sounds right to me. Found out Mac has added to their OF by adding another fast left handed hitter in transfer from Danville Community College Avion Forthenberry. With him and Sellers in the OF Mac is going to have a pretty good OF. Also, any word on who the Fontbonne injuries are? Also, any word on any other teams injuries, players lost etc? Is it me or does nonconference play mean nothing because most of the SLIAC teams had losing records in nonconference going into the conference season? Most anticipated conference game. My pick Webster vs. Maryville. I feel that Maryville's pitching is really good but their hitting just isn't up to par like they would want it to be. But I think Maryville has the best chance of any team of beating Webster in a series. We will see what happens on April 14th when they hook up in a DH.
Quote from: ready2win on February 03, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
That sounds right to me. Found out Mac has added to their OF by adding another fast left handed hitter in transfer from Danville Community College Avion Forthenberry. With him and Sellers in the OF Mac is going to have a pretty good OF. Also, any word on who the Fontbonne injuries are? Also, any word on any other teams injuries, players lost etc? Is it me or does nonconference play mean nothing because most of the SLIAC teams had losing records in nonconference going into the conference season? Most anticipated conference game. My pick Webster vs. Maryville. I feel that Maryville's pitching is really good but their hitting just isn't up to par like they would want it to be. But I think Maryville has the best chance of any team of beating Webster in a series. We will see what happens on April 14th when they hook up in a DH.
Non-conference game do matter the the NCAA selection committee in terms of the Pool C bids. A non-conference/non-region game means nothing except as a measuring tool.
Quote from: ready2win on February 03, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
That sounds right to me. Found out Mac has added to their OF by adding another fast left handed hitter in transfer from Danville Community College Avion Forthenberry. With him and Sellers in the OF Mac is going to have a pretty good OF. Also, any word on who the Fontbonne injuries are? Also, any word on any other teams injuries, players lost etc? Is it me or does nonconference play mean nothing because most of the SLIAC teams had losing records in nonconference going into the conference season? Most anticipated conference game. My pick Webster vs. Maryville. I feel that Maryville's pitching is really good but their hitting just isn't up to par like they would want it to be. But I think Maryville has the best chance of any team of beating Webster in a series. We will see what happens on April 14th when they hook up in a DH.
Yeah the non conference schedules never seem to be too tough though thats the sad part.. HOWEVER tradionally Webster and Blackburn host the toughest non-conference schedules
Littiken left Greenville and thats the most noticeable change. i hadnt heard that about mac so thanks for the information.. they lack a roster and/or any updates on their site in quite some time. you have chosen a wise "most anticipated" Maryville and Webster will be 2 and 1 in my eyes so that matchup is always favorable. I think that maryville WILL beat webster 2 out of 3 though because of their quality pitching. also their hitting is around par but par hitting backed up by good pitching = wins. as for the fontbonne injuries.. just rumor, and not sure who it even is/was. theres no telling until game 1 who wil and wont be hurt unfortunaly.
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 25, 2009, 11:44:59 PM
quite a difference between the d3baseball.com polls and other.. they had webster at 26th in the other polls but d3 baseball didnt even mention them.
School (1st votes) Rec. Pts Prev.
1 Cortland State (12) 42-5 586 6
2 Chapman (4) 40-5 578 4
3 Trinity (Conn.) (7) 45-1 555 1
4 UW-Whitewater (1) 42-10 491 3
5 Johns Hopkins (1) 42-8 465 2
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It will actually be hard to squeeze more than 25 in a Top 25. If your look at those receiving votes, you would see Webster with the 27th most votes.
Others receiving votes: Rowan 67, Webster 58, Pacific Lutheran 55, Calvin 52, Keene State 50, Piedmont 49, Trinity (Texas) 48, New Jersey 38,......
Oh ok, i got ya, I just couldnt find it. so i was wondering how they came up with 27th? thats all.
I was looking @ the SLIAC teams' schedules and I notice that play EVERY team is goin on a Spring Break trip this year. Greenville is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 16-20, Webster goin to Auburndale, FL; Babson Park, FL; Winter Haven, FL March 7-12, Westminster is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 22-28, Eureka is goin to Irving TX, March 7-11, Principia is goin to Los Angeles, CA; Santa Barbara, CA; Riverside, CA; Pasadena, CA March 18-24, Blackburn is goin to Clinton, MS; New Orleans, LA; Montgomery, AL March 9-15, Fontbonne is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 13-21, Maryville is goin to Orlando, Florida March 2-4, and MacMurray is goin to Henderson, TN; Jackson, TN March 9-12.
Greenville, Webster, Westminster, and Fontbonne all will be playing together at the same places so they will get a look at how each other look before conference starts. Its funny because Greenville plays Webster as their first conference series and Webster plays Westminster as their first conference series Principia gets the Luxury of goin to CA Seems to me that Maryville's spring break is a lil short for a school with alot of money only 3 days wow.
Any new jerseys this year for anyone?
Webster has White(Home) and Navy(Away)
Maryville has White(Home), Gray(Away) and Red(Alternate)
Eureka has White(Home) and Gray(Away)
Greenville has White(Home) and Black(Alternate)
Fontbonne has White(Home), Black(Away) and Purple(Alternate)
Principia has White(Home) and Navy(Away)
Westminster has White(Home) and Gray(Away)
Blackburn has White(Home) and Black(Away)
MacMurray has White(Home), Gray(Away) and Red(Alternate).
These were all based on what I saw. I was thinking Blackburn may have a Red Alternate jersey but I'm not for sure. Greenville should have an Orange jersey also and Westminster should have a Navy jersey also and Eureka should have a Maroon jersey also and MacMurray should have a Navy jersey and get rid of their Grays jerseys they are almost identical to Maryville but their colors include Navy unlike Maryville which includes Black if these teams don't already have one.
I'm just trying to get a topic started....
Quote from: ready2win on February 06, 2009, 11:47:55 AM
I was looking @ the SLIAC teams' schedules and I notice that play EVERY team is goin on a Spring Break trip this year. Greenville is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 16-20, Webster goin to Auburndale, FL; Babson Park, FL; Winter Haven, FL March 7-12, Westminster is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 22-28, Eureka is goin to Irving TX, March 7-11, Principia is goin to Los Angeles, CA; Santa Barbara, CA; Riverside, CA; Pasadena, CA March 18-24, Blackburn is goin to Clinton, MS; New Orleans, LA; Montgomery, AL March 9-15, Fontbonne is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 13-21, Maryville is goin to Orlando, Florida March 2-4, and MacMurray is goin to Henderson, TN; Jackson, TN March 9-12.
Greenville, Webster, Westminster, and Fontbonne all will be playing together at the same places so they will get a look at how each other look before conference starts. Its funny because Greenville plays Webster as their first conference series and Webster plays Westminster as their first conference series Principia gets the Luxury of goin to CA Seems to me that Maryville's spring break is a lil short for a school with alot of money only 3 days wow.
Any new jerseys this year for anyone?
Webster has White(Home) and Navy(Away)
Maryville has White(Home), Gray(Away) and Red(Alternate)
Eureka has White(Home) and Gray(Away)
Greenville has White(Home) and Black(Alternate)
Fontbonne has White(Home), Black(Away) and Purple(Alternate)
Principia has White(Home) and Navy(Away)
Westminster has White(Home) and Gray(Away)
Blackburn has White(Home) and Black(Away)
MacMurray has White(Home), Gray(Away) and Red(Alternate).
These were all based on what I saw. I was thinking Blackburn may have a Red Alternate jersey but I'm not for sure. Greenville should have an Orange jersey also and Westminster should have a Navy jersey also and Eureka should have a Maroon jersey also and MacMurray should have a Navy jersey and get rid of their Grays jerseys they are almost identical to Maryville but their colors include Navy unlike Maryville which includes Black if these teams don't already have one.
I'm just trying to get a topic started....
Blackburn does have a red alternate and its one of the best jerseys in the conference. so of you guys have some pretty inside information i think a lot of guys might be players.. haha.. other than tha the spring break trips are amazing and create so many memories, more than you can imagine.. back to jerseys, an orange jersey would be sweet for greenville. AND blackburn needs new blacks!
Naw we aren't players if u go to the school's athletics website and look at their schedules it tells u where they play @. Thanks for the insight on Blackburn I figured they had them since their colors are red, black and white. I don't know if they have the best jersey in the conference because I think that Fontbonne's purple jersey is pretty tight even though it's purple. Yea I agree with you that Blackburn needs new Black jerseys they look a tad bit old haha So natural13 reading our topics on the board u have any insight on any other topics we already discussed or even new ones?
I guess I am too "old school". White at home and gray or grayish hue of the principal color on the road.
I personally am into the more modern looking uniforms. Nothing TOO crazy, but i like the new bold colored uniforms. it gives teams more individuality and style and i know thats not what baseball is all about, but i think it just makes them look good. my motto is if you look good, you play good. I know its not the case for everyone on every team but it does help. My vote for best uniform definatly does not go to fontbonnes purple people eater uniforms, if i had to pick it would either go to Blackburn's red uniforms or Websters whites.
Alright, I'm new here but let quit talking about uniforms and talk about the players. I have seen plenty of posts on hitter and fielders, but everyone knows games are won or lost on the mound and the bullpen. So who are the sliac's top pitchers this year. Who is ready for a big year?
You are right pitchers are what we need to talk about. I would say Scott Murfin of Maryville is goin to be one of the best pitchers. Also, I would say Mike Oliveri of Westminster may be up there too. Webster has a junior college transfer who is on the D3 watch list in Bryce Law and people are expecting him to be their Brett Mueller of 2009. It should be alot of new faces in pitching this year.
Westminster's Cody Blount is also has a good arm. He is a lefty that really impressed me last year.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 10, 2009, 04:45:50 PM
Alright, I'm new here but let quit talking about uniforms and talk about the players. I have seen plenty of posts on hitter and fielders, but everyone knows games are won or lost on the mound and the bullpen. So who are the sliac's top pitchers this year. Who is ready for a big year?
well glad to see theres another poster, however no pushing around bud. We talk about whatever is posted. There will be some dominant pitchers this year though. I think i will post a rundown of the teams best pitchers tomorrow. AND games are won and lost on the mound as well as in the box. sorry to burst your bubble but pitchers CANT score runs from the mound sorry. anyways look back tomorrow for my pitchers. if you're interested. and glad to see so many posters lately!
Hey, I'm a big boy you can't make me mad so push back if I push too much. I am looking forward to your top pitchers list and I will be checking in often to see what everyone has to say. With that said the sliac season is going to a be a good one and I think we will be a bit surprised with the final out come.
Oh yea. Well we have past topics we have discussed look back and add ur input to them we would love to hear it. Also why do you think we will be surprised with the final outcome of the SLIAC season?
I have heard about some key injuries out there. Also some good transfers at a program or two plus some key losses due to graduation and personal reasons. I know I will be seeing some great baseball in St. Louis this year and it won't be at Busch Stadium.
I bet it will be tight at the top all season long.
I completly agree with you guys. this season will be great. I dont think webster is going to dominate like many other people do. Oh and havent quite finished up my list of pitchers yet. BUT i did hear Maryville got a really good transfer in who is a pitcher.. either of you guys know about him?
If Cashdollar is back at Eureka he will be a force. I know he went to Illinois College and Western before coming to Eureka. He wasn't helped by the poor defense that the rest of the Eureka team had. I haven't seen their roster yet.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 11, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
If Cashdollar is back at Eureka he will be a force. I know he went to Illinois College and Western before coming to Eureka. He wasn't helped by the poor defense that the rest of the Eureka team had. I haven't seen their roster yet.
I believe Cashdollar was a senior last year. There is a younger one though.. and Eureka's D didnt seem that bad to me, just no clutch hitters.
Oh and Eureka and MacMurray are still yet to post their rosters.. Any word on that pitcher from Maryville?
Murfin is the obivious ace coming in. Also with the program stepping up to Div.II I'm sure they are looking at improved performances all the way around. They are pretty deep in the pitching department overall and they have good defense to back up the throwers when a pitcher is not able to go.
VideoDawg, welcome to the boards.
Thanks for the welcome. I have been keeping an eye on Div III ball in the area for a few years and just stumbled on the site. I wish I knew about it years ago. I will look forward to seeing other opinions and getting to know everyone.
Thanks Again
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 11, 2009, 07:29:59 PM
Thanks for the welcome. I have been keeping an eye on Div III ball in the area for a few years and just stumbled on the site. I wish I knew about it years ago. I will look forward to seeing other opinions and getting to know everyone.
Thanks Again
Pat Coleman let me run with the message boards in Dec, 2005 and then Jim Dixon added the front page in February 2007.
This site may not have been around when you wish that it had. ;)
This site has been needed for a while then. I am glad that you have taken the time to run it and I will be a frequent visitor.
Yeah, Im glad were finally getting some more posters. Im definatly looking forward to this season. its going to be a great one. sorry for the delay on my top pitchers. I will get to them I promise. Ive just been swamped lately.
It's official theoneandonly MacMurray has put up their rosters finally haha!!! They have 20 players on it. Eureka what is going on with the rosters I know they have an idea of how many players they have. Speaking of Eureka what is the deal with Benji Cashdollar is he done with eligibility or not? With the Maryville pitcher it is Scott Reese he went to Meramec Community College and he has 3 years left to play @ Maryville.
Ouch its a sad day at the burn when Mac can field more players. However, even though blackburn has less players, I still think they have a lot of talent that will go very far. More doesnt always mean better. Theres no reason to have 35 guys when only 9 can play. I think in all reality, 25 is the tops you should have. enough to intersquad should be plenty. Also Blackburn has a solid small core of pitchers that will do very well for them this year. They have a solid Senior in Scott Ward who in years past was untouchable, Ben Eilerman who is a transfer student, Luke Vallero 3rd year pitcher, Jacob Hainsfurther who is also a transfer, and Matt Ozee, and some freshmen who probably wont see much time. I think Vallero will carry a lot of the relief duties as well as Hainsfuther. They should be fielding a pretty solid young team.
Hey"thenatural" sounds like you have some inside scoop on the mighty Beavers. I agree with the numbers at "the Burn" being shockingly low and also that more than 25 is probably a waste of wings at the buffet. However we really don't know anyone other than Ward. Have you seen the transfers throw? Is Ozee and Vallero ready for a more bigger role? Last year Blackburn couldn't hold a lead in the late innings due to bullpen are they better this year? Lastly did Ward ever really pitch over 85mph? I've always heard he's a great, maybe the best pitcher in the conference, what do you think?
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 30, 2009, 12:40:31 PM
Here's my list the top 10 OFs my picks are based on Batting average, Fielding and speed:
1. Chad Henkelman, Maryville, SR- Hit .352 had 62 Catches, 59 Putouts 3 Assists and NO ERRORS (1.000 Field Pct)
2. Dakota Huey, Webster, JR.- Hit .355 had 95 Catches, 89 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.968 Fielding Pct)
3. Mikie Sellers, MacMurray, SR.- Hit .345 had 69 Catches, 64 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.971 Fielding Pct)
4. Matt Spala, Blackburn, SO..- Hit .365 had 36 Catches, 32 Putouts 3 Assists and 1 Errors (.972 Fielding Pct)
5. Mike Scott, Greenville, SR.- Hit .337 had 53 Catches, 48 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.962 Fielding Pct)
6. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
7. Mike Silver, Westminster, SR..- Hit .361 had 25 Catches, 24 Putouts 0 Assists and 1 Errors (.960 Fielding Pct)
7. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct )
8. VJ Reynolds, Westminster, SO.- Hit .313 had 49 Catches, 45 Putouts 1 Assists and 3 Errors (.939 Fielding Pct)
9. Mike Wagner, Eureka, SR.- Hit .324 had 33 Catches, 27 Putouts 3 Assists and 3 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
10. Alex Raetzloff, Webster, SR.- Hit .409 had 182 Catches, 86 Putouts 87 Assists and 9 Errors (.951 Fielding Pct) Played IF the last 2 years
No offense to Principia they just don't have any standout OFs to me I may be wrong who knows. Tell me what you think?
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FYI Andrew Fuiten is in there twice
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I know I put him on their twice my fault I was in a hurry when I did it. Here it is with 10 DIFFERENT players this time no duplicates haha
Here's my list the top 10 OFs my picks are based on Batting average, Fielding and speed:
1. Chad Henkelman, Maryville, SR- Hit .352 had 62 Catches, 59 Putouts 3 Assists and NO ERRORS (1.000 Field Pct)
2. Dakota Huey, Webster, JR.- Hit .355 had 95 Catches, 89 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.968 Fielding Pct)
3. Mikie Sellers, MacMurray, SR.- Hit .345 had 69 Catches, 64 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.971 Fielding Pct)
4. Matt Spala, Blackburn, SO..- Hit .365 had 36 Catches, 32 Putouts 3 Assists and 1 Errors (.972 Fielding Pct)
5. Mike Scott, Greenville, SR.- Hit .337 had 53 Catches, 48 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.962 Fielding Pct)
6. Mike Silver, Westminster, SR..- Hit .361 had 25 Catches, 24 Putouts 0 Assists and 1 Errors (.960 Fielding Pct)
7. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct )
8. VJ Reynolds, Westminster, SO.- Hit .313 had 49 Catches, 45 Putouts 1 Assists and 3 Errors (.939 Fielding Pct)
9. Mike Wagner, Eureka, SR.- Hit .324 had 33 Catches, 27 Putouts 3 Assists and 3 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
10. Alex Raetzloff, Webster, SR.- Hit .409 had 182 Catches, 86 Putouts 87 Assists and 9 Errors (.951 Fielding Pct) Played IF the last 2 years
On January 30th theoneandonly posted: Oh and you put fuiten in your top 10 twice haha, i sure hope webster doesnt have two of him this year!
So it was brought to my attention earlier but I guess I had to fix it sometime haha
Quote from: ready2win on February 13, 2009, 01:17:54 PM
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I know I put him on their twice my fault I was in a hurry when I did it. Here it is with 10 DIFFERENT players this time no duplicates haha
Here's my list the top 10 OFs my picks are based on Batting average, Fielding and speed:
1. Chad Henkelman, Maryville, SR- Hit .352 had 62 Catches, 59 Putouts 3 Assists and NO ERRORS (1.000 Field Pct)
2. Dakota Huey, Webster, JR.- Hit .355 had 95 Catches, 89 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.968 Fielding Pct)
3. Mikie Sellers, MacMurray, SR.- Hit .345 had 69 Catches, 64 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.971 Fielding Pct)
4. Matt Spala, Blackburn, SO..- Hit .365 had 36 Catches, 32 Putouts 3 Assists and 1 Errors (.972 Fielding Pct)
5. Mike Scott, Greenville, SR.- Hit .337 had 53 Catches, 48 Putouts 3 Assists and 2 Errors (.962 Fielding Pct)
6. Mike Silver, Westminster, SR..- Hit .361 had 25 Catches, 24 Putouts 0 Assists and 1 Errors (.960 Fielding Pct)
7. Andrew Fuiten, Webster, SR.- Hit .438 had 111 Catches, 54 Putouts 48 Assists and 9 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct )
8. VJ Reynolds, Westminster, SO.- Hit .313 had 49 Catches, 45 Putouts 1 Assists and 3 Errors (.939 Fielding Pct)
9. Mike Wagner, Eureka, SR.- Hit .324 had 33 Catches, 27 Putouts 3 Assists and 3 Errors (.919 Fielding Pct)
10. Alex Raetzloff, Webster, SR.- Hit .409 had 182 Catches, 86 Putouts 87 Assists and 9 Errors (.951 Fielding Pct) Played IF the last 2 years
When you look at the players with the fewest catches, there is such a wide disparity that you have to assume that they are either slow, take a wrong line to the ball often or are placed in the wrong place when the pitcher is throwing. All of the above applies to Silver.
There also could be fewer total games played for some of them.
Webster will be a VERY fun team to watch this year. Having followed them for 6 years now and being around players/coaches, I can say this is a team that is focused on winning the NCAA DIII, not just the SLIAC. They are by no means looking past anyone but they have a mindset that if they play their game they should not lose. This is a MUCH different attitude than even 3-4 years ago. Props to their coaching staff from top to bottom.
Don't pop the corks quite yet. I agree they are the team to beat however huge holes and question marks exist is the pitching.
1. Mueller 77 innings last year
2. McKinley 57 innings last year
3. Hilliard 54 innings last year
4. Bade 18 innings last year
5. Sartore 13 innings last year
6. Powell 17 innings last year
7. Malat 27 innings last year
Coupled with Umfleet's departure and you don't have a lock quite yet.
Good Luck
I understand that there are some holes in the rotation but as far as the offense goes it will be better this season than the last based on the players that they have brought in.
The pitching is 'there'. Now they will have to see if they can play at this level but looking at where each have come from they should be in good shape.
Keep the faith. I don't see stats on your pitching to back up what you think. Who are your best recruits and what are their stats?
I don't feel it's my place to start naming names or throwing stats out but I do have a very good idea about what the new additions have done prior to their time at Webster.
If an annonymus site like this isn't the place to spell out the newcomers and stats then where is?
Maybe the stats aren't so great? Maybe your just blowing smoke? You certainly can tell us who you think are the top new players. Don't worry when your wrong we won't hold it against you.
I will tell you right now that I am not blowing smoke up to you or anyone else. You will just have to wait and watch them roll in the SLIAC. I would spell it out in person. To me, I am not going to go around online behind an anonymous screen name doing things like that. Just watch this year and see. You don't just go from 6 outs away from the World Series to no good. Especially when you don't know the history of the pitching staff last year.
I'm in a generous mood let me do your work for you. These are the new pitchers added to the roster.
12 Bryce Law –P R/R Jr. Rochelle, IL / Vincennes University
Bryce Law era of 2.75 and a win loss record of 7-3 while at Vincennes. He is listed as a
"Player to Watch" and could be the real deal but has been subject to very poor outings like a game described while playing at VU. "The game became a laugher early when Lakeland teed off on VU for 10 runs in the first inning. Starter Bryce Law (5-4) failed to record an out and was charged with six runs before he was relieved."
13 Pat Amrhein - P R/R Fr. Glen Carbon, IL / Vianney HS
A respectable freshman with a high school record of 5-1 last year and an era of 1.95.
23 Bryan Stanley - P R/R Jr. Elgin, IL / Elgin CC
Last pitched in 2007. Has been working as a grounds keeper and as an Assistant Coach for Elgin CC. Claims he signed a letter of intent for Purdue – North Central but not on any roster or stats. A real question mark.
While at Elgin Community College, Stanley was a standout and led Elgin in innings pitched with 70.1 and posted a 2.43 ERA and a 9-1 record, which helped lead Elgin to the Division II World Series. He also had a perfect 1.00 fielding percentage, recording 15 assists, three putouts and two double plays.
24 Mike Gebhardt - P L/L Fr. Saint Charles, MO / St. Dominic HS
In a 2007 Showcase fastball velocity was 78mph - change 69mph curve 66mph. At St. Dominic he was 4-0 with a 4.10 era.
36 Peter Quintus - P R/R Jr. Chicago, IL / Saint Joseph's College
Has pitched a total of 3 Innings in College Ball with an ERA of 12.00
I don't see 263 innings in that group. You guys lost that many from last years squad. As I said before Webster is the team to beat but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
On your list from last year for pitchers. The last 4...can be replaced VERY EASILY. In case you haven't followed all of them. And as it turns out you must not have. The top three...one was a position player before last season, so i think that a new pitcher that is brought in can produce that, and having watched most of the players that are coming in, I KNOW. Mueller was good but Law can be at worst the same if not better. Mckinley was fine but is replaceable with Amrhein.
Thanks for doing "my work". You wanted the names and numbers so do it YOURSELF.
I knew exactly who was on that list and yes they were more throwers than pitchers but you still have a ton of innings to replace and I just don't see it. Also I have seen Amrhein pitch. For a high schooler he was above average. But the gorillas in the sliac are going to own him until he gets his bearings . If he matures and improves he will be a very, very good pitcher but he is not ready for prime time.
Just to finish off the Webster newbies. The following stats are for incoming transfers. I didn't check the freshmen position players.
1 Zach Little SS R/R Jr. St. Louis, MO / Florissant Valley CC
In 38 games played last year he had a .282 average with three doubles, no triples and 2 homeruns. Little did have 12 stolen bases in 15 attempts. He was named on the All Region 16 Team.
8 Brandon Micheletti 3B R/R So. O'Fallon, MO / Illinois College
As a freshman at Illinois College he hit .130 in 54 at bats.
33 Aaron Senzell SS/2B R/R Jr. Evansville, IN / Vincennes University
Had a .245 average as their starting shortstop was 5th in runs scored and second in sac bunts. Not blessed with speed on the pads only attempted one steal and was thrown out. He also was third on the team with 28 strikeouts.
47 Ricky Pisani OF R/L Jr. Saint Charles, MO / Rockhurst University
In two years played 66 games with a .346 average, with 11 double and no triples or homeruns. Not fleet of foot he had 5 stolen base attempts and 4 successes.
With the returning talent at in the infield and outfield there is not such a big need to go out and get talent. It looks Pisani could contribute right away.
You keep it up and that's fine. I'll talk to you after whoever you cheer for is out and the Gorloks are still playing
I live in the St. Louis area and watch all the teams play. I really don't have an axe to grind, I am just a fan of all baseball and coached for 25 years prior to my retirement. I wish Webster all the luck in the world and hope they do well. They have some big shoes to fill though. You can't over look the losses the team suffered.
I just did. You also can't look back at the players you lost. Look to what you have and what they have right now is as good if not better pitching. And the offense IS MUCH better.
How is the offense better? I think that one more year of maturity is good for the existing players and there are a lot of returners but I only see one ready to play contributor transferring in. Who else do you see making an impact this year other than just experience of last years starters. Is there a freshman that will have an immediate impact? Or a transfer not on the roster?
Hey sliac baseball fans I just emailed Eureka and asked for the roster. It is awfully hard to get a feel for a team with out a roster.
If you want to email them yourself to get them to post it on their site it is:
Athletic Director: bsullivan@eureka.edu
SID:pbryant@eureka.edu
I might have those backwards. Anyway I hope they respond soon the season is getting started. If they email it to me I will post it.
I would also like to point out that there was a HUGE lack of expierence against the hitters of Webster last year. they all hit so well because teams didnt have much info on them. Yeah they play over 20 conference games, but the SLIAC doesnt have 10 people on their coaching staff to go to evaluations and scouting of other teams. This year everyone is going to know how to pitch to fuiten and ratezeloff. Dont expect double digit homeruns and so on this year. A good example of that is Carl Heuer. In 2004 for Blackburn. He was a transfer from Southern Illinois Carbondale. Hit 11 homeruns and looked invinceable. Helped the beavers to a conference championship and they went on to the NCAA tourney. The next season, in his senior campaign, he hit 6 homeruns and looked like he was held down quite a bit by everyone except Westminster. So im not saying those guys will be terrible this year. Nothing like that, im just saying dont expect them to dominate the league like they did last year. And from the reports from videodawg, it doesnt look like they have that strong of a recruiting class.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on February 16, 2009, 11:43:22 AM
HUGE lack of experience???? The SLIAC saw Raetzloff for the entire 2007 season. Looks like that experience really helped them in 2008.
2007 Raetzloff, Alex..... .399 AVG, 14 Doubles, 4 HR, 38 RBI, 30 SB (SLIAC POY)
2008 Raetzloff, Alex..... .409 AVG, 21 Doubles, 5 Triples, 11 HR, 44 RBI, 17 SB
I saw this guy hit a few times during conference play in the 2nd half of the season in 2008. Sure doesn't look like they're figuring him out.
Oh, I just noticed he also had more AB's in 2008 and struck out fewer times.
For only seeing him a couple of times you sure do have a lot of stats.. To further prove my point, the SLIAC will have more on him this year. so i will say count on 5 hrs. tops! AND if Webster would get thier own field and discontinue to play at GCS there wouldnt be as many homeruns. Although it is a great experience for these college players to play on a major league type field, the genorous 255 foot right field line is about little league standard, and gives Webster a huge advantage when it comes to those Homerun and RBI type numbers. this may get some of you fired up, but its the truth. Other teams only get to play 1-2 games there while webster plays ALL their homegames there. So that could be partly why he had 11 homeruns in the first place.
First of all, Webster's website provides all of their statistics from previous seasons. Second of all, I believe you're wrong on the distance at GCS, but I will do my research before making ridiculous statements, like yourself.
it is true, i did obviously exagerate, but it was needed to get my point across, if you have seen a game there, or played since it sounds like you are a player for webster, YOU know just as well as anyone, that right field is the shortest in the sliac and just seems to be a tad short for 18-24 year old MEN playing college baseball... if you cant admit that, well then i dont know what to tell you.
I really am interested to how you've gotten all this information
JUST NOTICED SOMETHING.. Looks like Zac Atkins couldnt cut it at Webster. The Greenville Right Fielder transfered out of Greenville to Webster after his sophomore year, for what seems to be only one season, after getting minimal playing time, it looks as if he has transfered back to Greenville to finish off his college career. HA!
HA??? Who is Zac Atkins?
he is an outfielder, read above. he played for webster two years ago, for one season, after he transfered in from greenville, apparently now he has transferred back to gville
Not surprising with what Webster currently has in the outfield.
Ready2win and VideoDawg, Here are my long awaited Pitchers to Watch in the SLIAC this season, feel free to disagree and post your own ;).. if not well then feel free to comment ;D
Blackburn: Ward and Eilerman (Transfer from Illinois College)
Eureka: Since they have no roster posted yet im not sure who will be back.
Fontbonne: Shockley and Antone
Greenville: Leefers (even though he did get rocked a bit last year) and Rinker
MacMurray: Not really sure who will STANDOUT feel free to fill this in.
Maryville: Murfin and Reese (Transfer from Meramac CC)
Principia: Raffles and Ball (Freshmen) He has a good frame (6'5" 190lbs) ive seen him throw a little bit and he doesnt look bad
Webster: Law (Transfer from Vincennes University) and Stanley (Transfer from Elgin CC) I saw him throw a little bit at Elgin and he looked pretty impressive. I did only see him twice though. so we will have to see.
Westminster: Pogue (Transfer from Central Methodist) and Bronenkamp
ALSO on a side note: Greenville's Neece has been taken off the roster, it looks like the rumors were right, he's out for the season. Tommy John.
MacMurray's is Aaron Forthenberry a side arm righty who was their ace last year and thats probably it haven't seen their newcomers yet.
Eureka's is Cashdollar the lefty has a year left from what I was told and is returning
It looks as if there will be room for alot of new pitchers to make noise this year thats good to see.
As for Neece sorry Greenville for the lost but he was probably going to be a 4 time 1st team All SLIAC first baseman thats a big lost but that's why its called a team they will bounce back.
I just believe that Maryville's Murfin is the best returning pitcher.
With Atkins, it's not just about baseball. Being a friend of mine for 3 years now don't just assume because someone transfers that they CAN'T CUT IT at a school. Just to conclusions again.
The offense will be better. Ok, yes the "SLIAC" will have another look at a lot of players BUT if the SLIAC really that good overall to hold someone down just because they have had a look? No. A good hitter will still be a good hitter. Unless you have watched this Webster team last year and also watched, within the last month, the players that they have brought in then don't knock'em because they will knock you out in a hurry. I won't comment on other teams because I do not feel like I have been around the program to see them. Yes you can look at stats all you want but believe it or not it's more than stats. It an attitude of a program, and this program wants to crush every team they play. Knowing the programs that they all go through to prepare for each season they will be ready. Doubt them and they will dominate you.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 16, 2009, 12:37:44 PM
Ready2win and VideoDawg, Here are my long awaited Pitchers to Watch in the SLIAC this season, feel free to disagree and post your own ;).. if not well then feel free to comment ;D
Blackburn: Ward and Eilerman (Transfer from Illinois College)
Eureka: Since they have no roster posted yet im not sure who will be back.
Fontbonne: Shockley and Antone
Greenville: Leefers (even though he did get rocked a bit last year) and Rinker
MacMurray: Not really sure who will STANDOUT feel free to fill this in.
Maryville: Murfin and Reese (Transfer from Meramac CC)
Principia: Raffles and Ball (Freshmen) He has a good frame (6'5" 190lbs) ive seen him throw a little bit and he doesnt look bad
Webster: Law (Transfer from Vincennes University) and Stanley (Transfer from Elgin CC) I saw him throw a little bit at Elgin and he looked pretty impressive. I did only see him twice though. so we will have to see.
Westminster: Pogue (Transfer from Central Methodist) and Bronenkamp
ALSO on a side note: Greenville's Neece has been taken off the roster, it looks like the rumors were right, he's out for the season. Tommy John.
Great now I have to do more research. Very good list. Thanks for the input.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 16, 2009, 12:21:22 PM
JUST NOTICED SOMETHING.. Looks like Zac Atkins couldnt cut it at Webster. The Greenville Right Fielder transfered out of Greenville to Webster after his sophomore year, for what seems to be only one season, after getting minimal playing time, it looks as if he has transfered back to Greenville to finish off his college career. HA!
Atkins was injured early in the season in his season with Webster. That limited his playing time.
I think he was 2nd team All-Conference in his 1st 2 seasons at Greenville - I expect the Panthers are happy to have him back.
Quote from: ready2win on February 16, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
I just believe that Maryville's Murfin is the best returning pitcher.
I disagree, i believe Blackburn's Scott Ward is the best returning pitcher
SLIAC Observer is related to Atkins. I like how he writes, "I 'think' he was 2nd team all conference his 1st 2 seasons at Greenville." If you specify that he was 2nd team All-SLIAC for 2 years, you know exactly what team he was on and probably know all his stats as well.....because you're family. I have no problem with you being proud and sticking up for your boy, but be truthful as opposed to claiming yourself to be a "SLIAC Observer". You're a Zach Atkins fan, so be it. I am pulling for him as well and hope he helps to fill the void left by Neece's injury.
Can you at least fill us in on why Atkins didn't play in 2008. It's hard to gauge how productive he will be for Greenville after not playing for 18 months. If it was injury related, that makes him even more questionable for the '09 season.
Zac is healthy. Has been hard at work in weight room during the off season and should be in great shape for the season. Would have been nice to see him and Neece both in the line up for Greenville. I hope Neece has a speedy recovery.
so SLIAC Observer. Enlighten us as to why Atkins Transfered out of Greenville to Webster and then back to Greenville? Abandoning a team because you think there is a lack of talent is a real low thing to do, and im not saying that is what he did, but it sure seems like it, then he couldnt cut it at Webster so he transferred backto where he came from. Im suprised they wanted him back after he showed his lack of loyalty.
Wow. Obnoxious and judgmental. Nice combination.
I'm not going to be drawn into a debate with you.
College is about more than baseball. Personal reasons often dictate moves that have nothing to do with sports.
'Nuff said.
mhmm, im sure that was it. on to better things than greenville baseball and those who once were part and are again, has anyone seen the Eureka Roster yet?
Quote from: SLIAC Observer on February 17, 2009, 03:57:33 PM
I'm not going to be drawn into a debate with you.
This whole forum/Board is about debating. just thought i might throw that out there. it wasnt made for you to get on and say how great your friend is at baseball.
HAHA.......SLIAC Observer changed his e-mail address. I knew he was family because earlier today his e-mail was MAtkins with some numbers thrown in behind it. Now is says Saluki with some numbers behind it. This guy is obviously related to Zac Atkins or better yet, maybe it is Zac himself. Again, there's no problem with defending your boy, but why do it if you're so ashamed of him that you're trying to hide the fact that you're related.
Gee ........ I thought this was a forum for discussion of D-III baseball, and I was particularly interested in the SLIAC conference. I didn't realize this was a personal attack forum.
No. I'm not Zac. Yes. I am related. So what?
I just ran across his name while lurking in the board and thought I would provide some info that might be of interest.
Any other comments?
yes, we would like to know why he decided to transfer back and forth all over the sliac. If it were really a personal problem he wouldnt have transferred out then back in. Unless maybe he was being bullied by some guys on the team and they graduated. ha.
Hey all these are my pitcher picks to look for Blackburn to MacMurray. The second half, alphabetically should be up in a day or two. Again this is just my opinion disagree if you want.
Blackburn – Scott Ward - certified "Player to Watch", has a bloated era due to poor defense last year. His opposition batting average helps in the evaluation with a .264 and fourth in the league last year. Keep in mind Ward is a sinker, ground ball pitcher and no viable shortstop last year killed him. Lastly he has such good movement that he needs a top-flight catcher. Last year he lead the league in wild pitches (9) more than half probably should have been pass balls. The catcher. who ever it ends up being needs to step up. 90 – 92 mph fastball when he needs it.
Blackburn – Ben Eilerman – As a Sophomore at Illinois College he only pitched 40 innings last year and ended up with a 6.75 era. He is more of a classic power pitcher that still needs more velocity. Accuracy is a bit of a concern with 40 strikeouts to 28 Walks. His 6'6" frame has possibilities but he has yet to show the promise expected. As a senior in High School he went 9-0 and was very impressive but with few innings his freshman year in college and only 40 last year, he probably will have to work out some bugs.
Blackburn Dark Horses – Matt Ozee – the number two pitcher from last year. Sneaky fast with an excellent strikeout to walk ratio 27 – 9. Needs to add strength or will be around his last year's era of 4.96.
Jacob Hainsfurther – As a freshman at Lewis & Clark he went 4-1, pitched 28.2 innings with a 3.13 era. Apparently has the stuff to compete, is a hometown Carlinville boy, but took college baseball off last year. Has had medical issues in the past.
Eureka – I am not sure on this school as they still don't have a roster posted. First of all the NCAA has 2008 listed as Benji Cashdollar's senior year. They do not list year of eligibility. In any case if Cashdollar is back he is their best pitcher. He was 7th in the sliac with a 4.12 era but with an opposing batting average of nearly .300 he was always pitching in and then out of trouble. Much of his trouble was a team total 42 errors in 23 games but when he pitches to ground balls that come back to him, he in perfect in opportunities. His eligibility is hard to figure he did start pitching in 2005 and 2006 at Illinois Central. There is no record of 2007, however he did pitch last year.
Eureka Dark Horse - Clay McConkey- Possible junior Has really good stuff and durability. Pitched 68.7 innings last year with 68 strikeouts (lead the sliac) 20 looking (lead the sliac). Downside is 53 base on balls, 77 base hits and 66 runs. He must show control or he will be a bust. If he can get people out in the strike zone and avoid walks he could be a fantastic pitcher. Upper 80's velocity and a great change when working.
Fontbonne – Wiley or Willey – Of last year's roster these two as freshmen showed some promise. Willey went 5-0 but had a huge 6.35 era, Wiley went 2-1 with a more reasonable 5.25. Both are similar in style with both in the lower 80's velocity wise with decent movement. Willey struggles a lot with control. Last year he actually walked more than he struckout. He must have something because he only pitched 34 innings and still managed 5 wins and based alone on the walk to strikeout ratio he knows how to pitch out of trouble. If he works at increasing his velocity and can stay away from so many walks he could be a great pitcher in the league. Dito for Wiley.
These guys are why the league is so fun to watch, either of these guys could be the next top flight pitcher. As they are just sophomores on the other hand if chasing girls and goofing off is more important than the weight room and spread drills then they will end up with a long season.
As for Shockley and Antone – I have never seen Shockley pitch and cannot find any solid stats on him. I really cannot comment on him.
Antone pitched last year as a junior and had an 11.70 era in just 13.3 innings pitched. I have not seen him pitch but those numbers don't jump out at me like he will be anything special ...other than to his mom.
Greenville – Matt Leefers, Andy Rincker and Daniel Covert are virtually identical in the stats. Leefers - 45.7 Innings Pitched 8.86 era, Rincker 42.3 innings pitched 8.09 era and Covert 32.3 innings pitched 7.52 era. This explains their team era of 7.77, 7th in the conference.
If I were that consistent in my golf I would have turned pro years ago. Unfortunately it means that there is no standout on this team in the pitching category. Could one of these guys break out? Yes. Who? Impossible to guess. I have seen all three pitch and each has been impressive at times and at other times erratic. Rincker has more control but less velocity, Leefers is in the zone way too much and needs more sinking action if he is going to turn all of the singles hit against him into ground balls. Covert is all over the place and tries to muscle the ball too much. He is like an infielder trying to prove he can pitch when he is on the mound. He needs to relax and throw.
MacMurray – Aaron Forthenberry is the single standout for MacMurray. Last year he had a great year for freshmen. In 11 appearances, with 55.7 innings pitched he had a 5.17 era. I honestly don't know how he managed it as MacMurray had the worst fielding team in the conference. That would explain his 3-6 record. They also had the highest team era and they should repeat in that category again. I see no reason to think that this season will better than the last.
If Forthenberry gets stronger and has been in the gym and is working on form then he could climb in every pitching category despite the team around him.
Well I hope you like it so far I will post the others soon or at least before Eureka posts their roster.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 17, 2009, 04:32:24 PM
Hey all these are my pitcher picks to look for Blackburn to MacMurray. The second half, alphabetically should be up in a day or two. Again this is just my opinion disagree if you want.
Blackburn – Scott Ward - certified “Player to Watch”, has a bloated era due to poor defense last year. His opposition batting average helps in the evaluation with a .264 and fourth in the league last year. Keep in mind Ward is a sinker, ground ball pitcher and no viable shortstop last year killed him. Lastly he has such good movement that he needs a top-flight catcher. Last year he lead the league in wild pitches (9) more than half probably should have been pass balls. The catcher. who ever it ends up being needs to step up. 90 – 92 mph fastball when he needs it.
Although i agree with this selection, the reference to the catchers is wrong. Ward had an all conference catcher two years ago and two capeable catchers last year. a senior and a freshmen. Just for some more info to back that up. Ward is a very wild pitcher.. About the wild pitches.. they were most definatly wild pitches in probably 8 of 9 instances, he also led the league in hit batters, thats why i believe that the wild pitches were probably wild pitches.. Last Years freshmen catcher, Wilhelm, WILL be returning this season and they will be able to work very well together since the coach integrated him very nicely.
Good to hear I hope they have a great season.
I agree i hope they have a great season too. I think ward WILL stand out and does have much better defense behind him this year.. hopefully the shortstop dilemma is solved at the burn. Cant wait for some good ol' SLIAC baseball.
Quote from: thenatural13 on February 17, 2009, 06:40:44 PM
I agree i hope they have a great season too. I think ward WILL stand out and does have much better defense behind him this year.. hopefully the shortstop dilemma is solved at the burn. Cant wait for some good ol' SLIAC baseball.
I agree that Ward is a solid pitcher. However he needs to find his control. In his senior season you would think that problem would be solved by now, but I guess he can use that to his advantage too because the batters don't know if they are going to get a 80 mph slider or a 92 mph fastball in the spine.
2009 Pre-Season SLIAC Poll is released..............
2009 SLIAC Baseball
Pre-Season Coaches' Poll
Rank Team (First Place Votes)
1 Webster (7)
2 Maryville (1)
3 Westminster (1)
4 Eureka
5 Fontbonne
6 Greenville
7 Blackburn
8 Principia
9 MacMurray
February 17, 2009
DEFENDING CHAMP WEBSTER TOPS BASEBALL POLL
ST. LOUIS - Defending St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC) regular season champion Webster University has been picked as the pre-season favorite in the 2009 SLIAC Baseball Coaches' Pre-Season Poll. The Gorloks, who posted a record of 31-15 overall and 21-3 in conference play last season, received seven first place votes.
Webster head coach Bill Kurich returns a veteran squad that includes senior, center fielder Alex Raetzloff, senior left fielder Andy Fuiten, and junior right fielder Dakota Huey. Fuiten was the 2008 SLIAC Player and Newcomer of the Year while leading the Gorloks with a .438 batting average. He also set school records for home runs (12), walks (38) and RBIs (54). Raetzloff was a First Team All-SLIAC selection last year and also earned All-Central Region honors as well as ABCA Third Team All-America honors. He set school records in 2008 for hits (72), runs (65) and at-bats (176), and led Webster in doubles (21), triples (5) and total bases (136). Huey was a Second Team All-SLIAC selection in 2008. He hit .355 at the plate with 14 doubles, three home runs, two triples and 37 RBI.
Maryville (20-19, 15-9 SLIAC) received one first place vote in the poll and ranked second overall. The Saints return three-time All-SLIAC honoree and second baseman, Bill Allerdissen. He led Maryville last season with a .389 batting average and a team-high 58 hits and 13 doubles. Other leading returners for the Saints include seniors Chad Henkelman and Scott Murfin. Henkelman, a center fielder, is a two-time SLIAC honoree and hit .352 last season with nine double, four triples, two home runs and 27 RBI. Murfin is Maryville's ace on the mound and posted a 5-2 overall record last season with a 3.27 ERA in 52.1 innings of work. He also recorded 39 strikeouts and had one shutout.
Westminster College was picked third in the poll and also received one first place vote. The Blue Jays were 23-13 overall last season and 16-8 in conference play. Eureka College rounded out the top four in the poll. The Red Devils went 16-18 overall and 13-10 in conference play, just missing the cut for the 2008 SLIAC Tournament in fifth place.
New poster here. Just discovered this board yesterday and thought I would answer a few of the Greenville College questions on here.
The worst news is of course Stefan Neece is out for the year. Had Tommy John surgery between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I believe he does plan to come back for his fourth year in 2010.
Justin Litteken has transferred to SIU-E for academic reasons. No engineering courses to speak of at GC. Went to GC to take his core classes and gave us two great years on the ballfield, tying the career mark for saves. He does not plan on playing ball for the Cougars.
For reasons that are his only, Zac Atkins is back at GC for his senior year. In the absence of Neece we are pleased to have his bat back with us. They would have made an awesome 1-2 punch this year. In 05 he hit .368-.411-.410 and was honorable mention for All-Conference. In 06 he hit .396-.481-.522 and was named 2nd team All-Conference. As far as saying "he couldn't cut it at Webster", he did start half the games in 07 for them and hit a very respectable .321. Welcome back Zac!
Concerning theoneandonly's list of top outfielders, don't overlook GC's Bryan Hobbie who hit .302-.359-.462 with 10 SB's and a .986 fielding pct. He is clearly the best all-around athlete on the team (played one year of basketball for GC), and possibly in the conference. He has excellent speed and comes from a good gene pool. His grandfather had an eight year MLB career with the Cubs and Cardinals, and his father spent a year in the Detroit organization.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on February 18, 2009, 09:38:41 AM
2009 Pre-Season SLIAC Poll is released..............
2009 SLIAC Baseball
Pre-Season Coaches' Poll
Rank Team (First Place Votes)
1 Webster (7)
2 Maryville (1)
3 Westminster (1)
4 Eureka
5 Fontbonne
6 Greenville
7 Blackburn
8 Principia
9 MacMurray
Here are my question marks on this poll. No suprises with 1 and 2 but, i do feel like they should be flip flopped. Maryville 1 and Webster 2. Those were a given. Lets get started on 3-9.
3. Westminster season last year 23-13 and 16-8 in conference doesnt prove to me they should be 3rd. They dont have the depth for pitching and like it was stated a while back their outfielders arent the best at reading the ball off the bat. I would put them at 5th.
4 Eureka. Honestly? Do you really think they have made that many improvements to go from 6 or 7th to preseason 4th? I do not.
5. Fontbonne should be at 3 or 4. They have a very solid catcher and a decent pitching staff. their recruits never hurt them either.
6. Greenville lost their only power hitter in neece. Although they did regain Atkins, I honestly dont think he will be a big enough piece to help them even get 6th.
7. Blackburn in all reality, they didnt have a horrible conference year, just not a usual one. i earlier in the year had them in my own rankings as a pretty low seed. But ihave gotten a chance to watch them practice as well as a couple of other schools (GC and Fontbonne) and they look like they are going to compete. I would put them at 4
8. Principia, This is pretty close to the most accurate bit of information other than the 1 and 2. I hate doing it every year but Prin to me is 8 or 9. Since they only allow christian Scientist they have to work with what they have, and cant really go out and recruit. They have pulled in a couple of new freshmen that wont be bad, and Raffles is back for his senior year and he is quite a hitter.
9. Mac, Yeah mac has had some rough years, however i would also put them at 8 or 9. since they have gotten a quick outfielder from DACC this season i wouldnt count them out. i think they can have some strong showings and possibly post up to a 6th place finish. Any higher than that though isint very likely.
ANYWAY there are my descrpencies with this poll. that is all.
Here are my preseason rankings revamped
1. Maryville
2. Webster
3. Fontbonne
4. Blackburn
5. Westminster
6.Greenville
7. Eureka
8. Principia/Mac
9. Principia/Mac
Looks like no one is interested in your revamped rankings. Coaches usually have more insight than any of us. If they voted their peers in this order, I will side with them until the standings prove me wrong at the end of April. I agree with the coaches on the top 4 in that order, while the others could vary a bit. If we see an upset, look for Westminster to be involved.
ok, thanks for the smartass reply. I am however allowed to express my opinions just like you are. so next time if you have something stupid to say to me, please say it to yourself because im not interested. ALSO sounds like you may be from eureka. or maybe westminster.. most likely a player.
Season is getting ready to start. Anybody know much about McKendree this year. They historically have been very good, at least to my knowledge. I am anxious to see how the boys in Black and Orange will do.
I just hope it's not too cold or wet.
Hey this is where we come to give our point of views. I agree that the coaches always have more insite than the fans but it is fun to guess, discuss and argue.
I have seen too many games in the snow in the sliac. It should be a great measuring stick for Greenville. Not that one game tells much but it is the first for greenville.
No kidding about the cold games. I have almost frozen to death at Wash U on several occasions. Finally got a system - sleeping bag pulled up over the ears and hot coffee. Seems to work pretty well.
Just looked at McKendree's website - they will have played 7 games by the time the Greenville game comes up. :o There may be some merit to starting early, I guess.
Here is their roster - please comment if you know about any of these players.
1 Brandyn Snider OF 5-8 Fr. Fielden, Ill./Jersey
2 Adam Davinroy IF 5-11 Jr. Shiloh, Ill./Althoff Catholic
3 Warren Millitello IF 6-2 Jr. Flora, Ill./Flora
4 Kyle Derry IF 5-11 Fr. Carterville, Ill./Herrin
5 Brynnen Smith IF 6-2 Fr. Herrin, Ill./Herrin
6 Tyler Muren OF 5-9 So. Belleville, Ill./Belleville West
7 Cole Schrage RHP 6-0 Sr. Aviston, Ill./Breese Central
8 Ross Willman OF 6-3 Sr. Greenville, Ill./Greenville
9 Brandon Holtmann RHP/IF 6-1 Sr. New Baden, Ill./Breese Central
10 Bryce Frieden C 5-9 Fr. Pittsfield, Ill./Pittsfield
13 Craig Session C/IF 6-0 Sr. Centralia, Ill./Centralia
14 Ryan Uhe RHP 6-2 So. DuQuoin, Ill./DuQuoin
15 Shane McBride OF 5-7 Jr. Troy, Ill./Triad
16 Mark Daniels OF 6-0 Jr. O'Fallon, Ill./O'Fallon
17 Dusty Schallenberg IF 5-10 Sr. New Douglas, Ill./Highland
19 Derek Goetzl OF/1B 6-0 Sr. Milan, Ill./Rock Island
21 Kyle Moll C 6-0 So. Mascoutah, Ill./Mascoutah
22 Calvin O'Rear OF/1B 6-4 Sr. DuBois, Ill./Nashville
23 Joe Dickman C 6-3 Jr. Alhambra, Ill./Highland
24 Nolan Martz RHP 6-6 Jr. East Alton, Ill./Roxana
25 Kory Peppenhorst C/IF 6-0 Jr. Carlyle, Ill./Carlyle
27 Cale Johnson RHP 6-3 Sr. Greenville, Ill./Greenville
28 Joey Ullery RHP 6-4 Sr. Mt. Vernon, Ill./Webber Township
29 Tyson Moore IF 5-9 Jr. Salem, Ill./Salem
30 Luke Poston RHP 6-2 Sr. New Athens, Ill./New Athens
31 Brad Dunnigan C/1B 6-1 So. Smithton, Ill./Freeburg
32 Thomas Rose IF 5-10 Sr. Highland, Ill./Highland
33 Eric Gentz RHP/1B 6-3 So. New Baden, Ill./Wesclin
34 Dakota Schutt RHP 6-4 So. Waterloo, Ill./Gibault
36 Cody Odum RHP 6-0 Jr. Edwardsville, Ill./Edwardsville
38 Ryan Meyer OF 5-10 Jr. Breese, Ill./Breese Central
40 Josh Lusch 1B 6-3 So. Salem, Ill./Salem
42 Ryan Ohnesorge IF 5-8 So. Effingham, Ill./Effingham
43 Ryan Weber C 6-1 Fr. Marissa, Ill./Marissa
44 Ricky Weber RHP 6-1 Fr. Marissa, Ill./Marissa
48 Tommy Young C/IF 6-1 So. Odin, Ill./Odin
49 Alex Young LHP 6-2 So. Odin, Ill./Odin
50 Eric Romani RHP 6-6 Fr. Des Plaines, Ill./Maine West
51 Andrew Sparks C/IF 5-11 Fr. Delavan, Ill./Delavan
52 James Schulte RHP 6-3 Fr. St. Rose, Ill./Mater Dei
53 Chad Ohnesorge OF 5-11 Sr. Effingham, Ill./Effingham
54 Sam Hodges IF 5-6 Fr. Marissa, Ill./Marissa
55 Mark Chapman RHP 6-5 Jr. Highland, Ill./Highland
56 Josh Rathmann RHP 6-1 Fr. Germantown, Ill./Breese Central
57 Mark Cokel OF 6-0 So. Carthage, Ill./Carthage
58 Bryan Tebbe LHP 5-10 Jr. Breese, Ill./Mater Dei
59 Zach Miller OF 5-11 So. Sparta, Ill./Sparta
Gee....that seems like a lot of players.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 18, 2009, 06:15:00 PM
Hey this is where we come to give our point of views. I agree that the coaches always have more insite than the fans but it is fun to guess, discuss and argue.
well put, if i could give karma, that would be +1
was this really worth a new topic? why didnt you just post this in the sliac. However those early seasons games are usually pretty good. I know its tough for all the sliac players to get into the playing mode since most likely they have been stuck in a gym but it does get them out of the gym. In the past i know that blackburn had traveled to tennessee or arkansas to start the season, this year i believe they are doing the same. However its odd that the panthers will start at mckendree and not somewhere down south. It will either be a very cold game or very warm because of this freak weather we have been having. Either way i hope the panthers get the sliac seasons started out right with a big W! good luck to those guys!
What is this Karma thing anyway? How do you get it and how do you lose it and why does it matter?
Quote from: SLIAC Observer on February 18, 2009, 09:41:08 PM
Just looked at McKendree's website - they will have played 7 games by the time the Greenville game comes up.
Gee....that seems like a lot of players.
I count 47 on the roster. That's a lot of players to keep happy even if you had a JV squad. They dropped their first three games to Union over the weekend.
Wow, theoneandonly has me pinpointed. I do indeed play for Eureka, Webster, and Westminster (all of which he has accused me of playing for now). Why not throw in the other 6 SLIAC teams, maybe Wash U. as well? Cover all your bases. I'm all for sharing of opinions, but yours seem to be contradictory and lack insight.
On that note, Maryville is my pick to win the conference, or maybe Fontbonne, possibly Greenville. Actually, if everything falls the right way Blackburn could win it, but Principia will definitely be in the mix until the very end. Come to think of it, I tabbed MacMurry as my darkhorse a couple weeks ago. I also can't forget the 3 teams that I play for......we all have good squads this year too.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on February 19, 2009, 10:49:35 AM
Wow, theoneandonly has me pinpointed. I do indeed play for Eureka, Webster, and Westminster (all of which he has accused me of playing for now). Why not throw in the other 6 SLIAC teams, maybe Wash U. as well? Cover all your bases. I'm all for sharing of opinions, but yours seem to be contradictory and lack insight.
On that note, Maryville is my pick to win the conference, or maybe Fontbonne, possibly Greenville. Actually, if everything falls the right way Blackburn could win it, but Principia will definitely be in the mix until the very end. Come to think of it, I tabbed MacMurry as my darkhorse a couple weeks ago. I also can't forget the 3 teams that I play for......we all have good squads this year too.
wow you truely are an idiot. I do think maryville will take the regular season. end of story. that says nothing for the tourney. as for the preseason rankings, like i stated before i dont agree with. AND you are probably some idiot fan who has never even touched a baseball. So i guess we will just wait a couple of weeks and you will stop posting, and we will never have to read your dumb comments again. thanks though.. now that weve come to that conclusion... Greenvilles matchup against Mckendree has its own little posting area. According to that board, mckendree lost three this weekend. they will have played 7 games by the time greenville plays them. how does everyone think they are going to play against Mckendree?
i agree 47 players is pretty rediculous!
does anyone else ever realize there are a lot of guests that view this? why dont they just become members so they can post too. haha! IF YOU ARE READING THIS AS A GUEST JOIN THE FUN!
Perhaps McKendree is following the lead of Major League Baseball -
Each Major League Baseball team maintains both a 25-man roster and a 40-man roster of players. Players on the 25-man roster are eligible to play in official major league games throughout the season. The 40-man roster includes the players on the 25-man roster plus as many as 15 players who are either on the team's 15-day disabled list (see below) or who are in the team's minor league system. From September 1 through the end of the regular season, any player on the 40-man roster (also referred to as the "expanded roster") is eligible to play in an official regular season game. Many young players make their Major League debuts in this way, as "September call-ups". Players must be on a team's 25-man roster as of August 31 to be eligible for post-season play. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team's 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position.
Is that as clear as mud?
Now I'm an idiot fan? What about the 3 teams you accused me of playing for?
Looking at their stats from last year, they used only 30 players all season.
this is over. im done with it.
22 more
i know there is a rule about how many players can participate in the playoffs.. but as for the regular season i have no idea.
That's par for the course.....you make several contradictory assumptions and retreat when asked to back them up.
FYI....here is how the standings will look at the end of the regular season:
Webster
Westminster
Maryville
Eureka
Fontbonne
Blackburn
Greenville
Principia
MacMurray
ok now i have a legit question for you.
Do you really think maryville will take 3rd? they have 8 returning starters and some pretty good recruits. AND do you think eureka has really taken the strides to take 4th in the conference? i know they have a great coaching staff but have they brought in this year what they didnt have last year?
i guess that was a couple of questions ha. :)
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 19, 2009, 12:16:40 PM
ok now i have a legit question for you.
Do you really think maryville will take 3rd? they have 8 returning starters and some pretty good recruits. AND do you think eureka has really taken the strides to take 4th in the conference? i know they have a great coaching staff but have they brought in this year what they didnt have last year?
i guess that was a couple of questions ha. :)
I think the race for 2nd between Westminster & Maryville could go either way in all honesty. In regard to Eureka, they finished 1/2 game out of 4th last year and the 4th place team (Greenville) has suffered a huge loss with Neece's injury. Blackburn and Fontbonne finished 2 1/2 games & 3 games behind Eureka. Could they have improved that much? Yes. Do I know enough about this year's recruits for Eureka, Fontbonne, & Blackburn to make that prediction at this point? No. With the exception of a rare high profile transfer, recruits are often wild cards.
In your poll, what justifies bumping Fontbonne up to 3rd place from their 7th place finish last year?
theoneandonly,
You think Maryville will win because they return 8 right? (Not a bad way to look at it) But you also are all over how people will learn how to play against returning players right? Or does that just go for Webster?
Greenville will definitely be hurting badly with the injury to Neece, but supposedly Atkins transfered back????
Eureka WOULD of been in the run to make a tourney appearance but an shoulder injury to McConkey and the catcher being ineligible, it is going to be tough for them to make a run. Cashdollar is a stud who needs to play the season of his life to give Eureka a shot.
Maryville did return 8 of their starters, plus their top 2 pitchers and whole bullpen. They only lost 2?? to graduation? Bill Allerdisen was the toughest to strike out in the nation by far last season, not K'd once, and hit almost .380. He should spark the Saints offense, and with the 1-2 punch of Murfin (righty) and Kollack (Lefty) on the mound, should help them win some games...They should be in the running for the top spot, BUT...
Webster seems to find a way to win the title every year. However, they did lose their top 2 pitchers. With Raetzloff moving to the outfield, they MUST have a stud 2nd basemen coming in. I believe its easier to find a stud outfielder than it is to find a stud 2nd basemen, and Raetzloff was a helluva 2 bagger. Mueller was their key loss, the lefty dominated teams with his nasty curve and helped Webster's offense when they were having an off game (only scoring a run or two.) It helps when the fence is 260 to right field and your home run hitter (Fuiten) is a lefty. He hits bombs, hits for average, but does strike out a lot.
Fontbonne returns the best catcher in the conference in Dan Horn. He was a wall behind the plate, decent arm, BUT could hit for average, and power. Not to mention he could steal a lot of bases. Outfielder Jason Nikolaisen is going to be someone no one would expect to dominate this year. He dominated last season but only played in half the games due to grades. In 21 games, he hit .456 with 12 RBI in 56 at bats. He did have a fielding percentage below .900 with his 3 errors, but look for him to really help Fontbonne make a run this year.
Westminster returns another top hitter in the conference in Mike Silver. The lefty dropped 10 bombs last year and hit .361 with 15 2B and 42 RBI. He has power to all fields and can really make game changing at-bats for the Blue Jays. They picked up a huge pitcher in Mark Davidson. I believe he was a 1st team allstate pitcher for Lafayette with his upper 80's fastball and decent slider.
Didn't Eureka sweep Maryville last year?
This is my list of pitchers to keep an eye on this year. Alphabetically this is the second half. If you want to see the first half just page up. Again, this is my opinion. Feel free to comment.
Maryville - Scott Murfin is a real "Player to Watch" he has great movement and upper 80's and maybe lower 90's velocity if he has worked out in the off season. He led a very good team in total innings pitched, showing consistency. His strikeout to walk ratio needs some work and he needs good fielding behind him as he is not a traditional strikeout pitcher (only 34 last year). Also he gave up a lot of hits, more than 1 per inning.
Chris Gebert would be a dark horse for Maryville. He had limited innings in the past as it was tough to get any time with last year's rotation. But he should slide into number two slot nicely. He has a big frame and if he has worked on his arm slot he should be able to hustle the ball up there pretty quick. Dark horse because the 2.61 era may not be totally representative of his ability based on the teams he started against. Webster killed him, he beat MacMurray twice and Lincoln Christian once.
Dark Horse - Scott Reese – while at Meramec he only pitched 12 innings giving up 9 earned runs for an era of 6.750. He did have an astounding 25 strikeouts to 6 walks but with limited innings it is hard to pick him as a star in the sliac.
Lastly you should not be able to list 18 players as pitchers it makes research too hard.
Principia - John Raffles – He seems to be the only for sure starter on the team with everyone else fighting for a spot. He is also the team "Ace" and leader. His 5.59 era led the team in 56.1 innings pitched. He is the only returning pitcher from last year that had a sub 8 era. He is a good overall player and uses his head on the mound.
Dark Horse Greg Ball - Based on the stats of the team Principia better hope that Ball is good enough to start. He is tall but needs to bulk up over the next couple of years. I have not seen him pitch so I really can't make further analysis.
Webster - Bryce Law had an era of 2.75 and a win loss record of 7-3 while at Vincennes. He is a true "Player to Watch" in the sliac. He has been subject to very poor outings like a game described while playing at VU. "The game became a laugher early when Lakeland teed off on VU for 10 runs in the first inning. Starter Bryce Law failed to record an out and was charged with six runs before he was relieved." However, overall he is a very good pitcher with control and command of a very good fastball and good breaking stuff. Also he has the mental makeup to be really consistent in the sliac.
Dark Horse Webster - Pat Amrhein - A respectable freshman with a high school record of 5-1 last year and an era of 1.95. Could end up being just another freshman righty. A 1.95 era sounds impressive but it really is the standard for a starter in a successful high school program.
Dark Horse Webster - Bryan Stanley Last pitched in 2007. Has been working as a groundskeeper and as an Assistant Coach for Elgin CC. Claims he signed a letter of intent for Purdue – North Central but not on any roster or stats. A real question mark. While at Elgin Community College, Stanley led Elgin in innings pitched with 70.1 and posted a 2.43 ERA and a 9-1 record, which helped lead Elgin to the Division II World Series. He also had a perfect 1.00 fielding percentage, recording 15 assists, three putouts and two double plays. Sounds like a real solid player and is very likely going to work out just fine but he will have to shake off some rust.
Westminster – Cody Blount the Junior lefty had a team leading era of 3.29 last year with 41 innings pitched. He had very impressive outings against Webster, Maryville and Blackburn, He gave up only 3 earned run against Webster. 0 against Maryville and 1 against Blackburn. This makes him a "Player to Watch" especially if he has worked out in the off-season.
Curt Byrd another good pitcher for Westminster. 4.54 era in 39.2 innings. Could have a great year if he has worked out learns to stay more on the edges of the plate and to pitch inside.
Pogue has some possibilities especially if you think that the naia is vastly superior to DIII. However looking exclusively at his stats while at Central Methodists reveals a player that only pitched 28.1 innings and had an era of 11.12. Also teams batted .371 against him.
Bronenkamp has potential but with only 4.2 innings pitched last year, it is difficult to make a good assessment. Also 1 full inning and two outings were against MacMurray
Sorry to double post but some of the names above were in response to theoneandonlys pitcher picks.
I think the rules are a silly number like 54. I will double check.
Joe Biagini is a freshman at Webster, looks like he will add to the lineup. The addition of a new shortstop and second baseman will help tighten up the not always amazing D-fence. It looks like they had a decent recruiting year, picking up some pitchers that might make an impact. You guys think maryville's pitching can take the Webster offence?
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on February 19, 2009, 08:05:42 PM
Joe Biagini is a freshman at Webster, looks like he will add to the lineup. The addition of a new shortstop and second baseman will help tighten up the not always amazing D-fence. It looks like they had a decent recruiting year, picking up some pitchers that might make an impact. You guys think maryville's pitching can take the Webster offence?
I don't hate Freshmen but it really takes someone special to be any good your first year. The pitching is better, the classes harder, more pressure. If there is any good transfer or new player for Webster you should look at Ricky Pisani an outfielder who in the previous two years at Rockhurst played 66 games with a .346 average, with 11 double and no triples or homeruns. Not fleet of foot he had 5 stolen base attempts and 4 successes.
He is the best of the newcomers other than possible freshmen.
Maryville pitching vs. Webster hitting? Good pitching always beats good hitting. But great hitting beats good pitching. The question for everyone is...is their pitching good or great? Too early to tell.
Very true, but being all-state in highschool may give him some confidence coming in. You are correct though we will have to wait and see. But Webster has another returning first team all conference hitter that hasnt been mention either. It'll be a test to see who comes up big again this year.
He is a talent for sure but the pitching is a step up. Murfin, Blount, Byrd, Ward and Cashdollar are just a few of the top flight pitchers that will tear up about every freshman they face.
Also you always hear about the 90 mph fastballs in high school but they are very, very rare and a couple of the guys above are legit 90+. In all my years of coaching and watching high school baseball there has only been 1, yes one that actually pitched over 90. And i have seen a ton of baseball.
That 1 was drafted in the first round.
People always say so and so throws 90. It was rarely true. I have caught and hit 90+ fastball I know what I am talking about. I hope he has a great year but if he is committed and talented he will really get good his sophomore year.
i just wanted to throw my two cents into the convo about pitchers.. Ward from Blackburn is one of the best in the conferece.. When he gets the defense behind him he is one hell of a pitcher.. I believe this season, his senior season, will be one of his best and will definatly be shooting for the pitcher of the year. I know there is tough competition but i PERSONALLY think Ward will shine this year. I dont want to make anyone mad with that comment, just saying i think he will be tough to face this year.
Quote from: thenatural13 on February 19, 2009, 09:51:50 PM
i just wanted to throw my two cents into the convo about pitchers.. Ward from Blackburn is one of the best in the conferece.. When he gets the defense behind him he is one hell of a pitcher.. I believe this season, his senior season, will be one of his best and will definatly be shooting for the pitcher of the year. I know there is tough competition but i PERSONALLY think Ward will shine this year. I dont want to make anyone mad with that comment, just saying i think he will be tough to face this year.
You are on target with Ward. When I have seen him pitch the thing that stands out other than the breaking stuff is the mound presence. He is absolutely intense. Does he hate everyone in the batter's box or did I just see him on a good day?
Seems to me there is a growing number of transfer pitchers in the league. It's going to be hard to tell who the strong arms are till we see some of em in action now.
There are a lot of good arms coming in, some will bust some will contribute. That's why college ball is so fun. Often there are no multiple year stats, kids take a year off or transfer as a result players end up surprising coaches and teams. Even some of the best players can lose focus year to year or have to spend more time in class or with studies.
I can't wait for it all to get started full steam ahead.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 20, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
You are on target with Ward. When I have seen him pitch the thing that stands out other than the breaking stuff is the mound presence. He is absolutely intense. Does he hate everyone in the batter's box or did I just see him on a good day?
He does seem as if he hates every batter when he is on the mound. His attitude off the field is completely different haha!.. he is a great guy/player but when hes on the mound hes is one of the most intense players in the league and it does seem as if he hates every batter. AND you probably saw him on a good day haha!
I know Ward has no trouble plunking people. He has been accused of doing it on purpose.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 20, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
I know Ward has no trouble plunking people. He has been accused of doing it on purpose.
Last year he hit 21 batters in 60 2/3 innings. Last year's MLB leader was Daniel Cabrera of Baltimore with 18 in 180 innings. The last time a major leaguer pitcher had more than 21 hit batsmen was 1922. :o
I wouldn't dig in. He can get it up there.
Spring Trips - Where Is Everyone Headed and When Do We Get Reports?
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 21, 2009, 01:46:52 AM
Spring Trips - Where Is Everyone Headed and When Do We Get Reports?
Greenville College will make a weekend trip March 6-7 to Birmingham, Alabama to play Birmingham Southern and also Capital University from Columbus, Ohio. They will then travel to Winter Haven, Florida on March 16-21. They are scheduled to face Wisconsin-Stevens Point, Franklin & Marshall, Millikin, Edgewood, and St. Norbert.
#1PantherFan - are you planning on making the trips to Alabama and Florida? I'll probably make Alabama, but trying to rearrange work so I can make the Florida trip.
I already said where everyone was goin earlier but here it is again:
I was looking @ the SLIAC teams' schedules and I notice that EVERY team is goin on a Spring Break trip this year.
Greenville is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 16-20,
Webster is goin to Auburndale, FL; Babson Park, FL; Winter Haven, FL March 7-12,
Westminster is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 22-28,
Eureka is goin to Irving TX, March 7-11,
Principia is goin to Los Angeles, CA; Santa Barbara, CA; Riverside, CA; Pasadena, CA March 18-24,
Blackburn is goin to Clinton, MS; New Orleans, LA; Montgomery, AL March 9-15,
Fontbonne is goin to Winter Haven, FL March 13-21,
Maryville is goin to Orlando, Florida March 2-4,
MacMurray is goin to Henderson, TN; Jackson, TN March 9-12.
Quote from: SLIAC Observer on February 21, 2009, 10:49:28 AM
#1PantherFan - are you planning on making the trips to Alabama and Florida? I'll probably make Alabama, but trying to rearrange work so I can make the Florida trip.
Yes, I plan on making both trips. Hoping to borrow my son's laptop so I can send updates.
Winter Haven looks like a popular place. Is it a huge tourney this year?
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 21, 2009, 05:33:36 PM
Winter Haven looks like a popular place. Is it a huge tourney this year?
Just a very popular invitational. It has already begun and will go until the middle of March. Here is a link to the site:
http://www.russmattbaseball.com/?page=home&tournament=b-cf
Thanks for the info. Looks like a stop I need to make.
The Winter Haven invite is played on a pretty nice facility and always has huge turnouts. All the teams from the SLIAC should have some good competition, AND a great time. Spring break is what helps your team come together.
54 players is enough to field a football team! haha, i just think that number is rediculous.
Just to keep everyone filled in.
McKendree is off to an 0-7 start. Dont count them out though. They are playing some tough competition. A couple of noteable players through the first 3 games at least are Davinroy(IF) who is 5-12(.416) with 4 rbis. However on the other side of the game, he does have 4 errors already. AND O'Rear (OF, 1st) who is 4-13 (.307) with a double, a triple and two rbis.
I honestly dont know how Greenville will play against this dII school. I do believe that their real test that will help them measure their talent this season will come against fellow division III member, Wash U.
I think those games will be the real deciding factor on Greenvilles talent this season.
I might be wrong but I don't see how any team can function with 50+ player on the roster. First of all they all can't be quality. A lot of hangers on and people wanting a good seat to watch games. Or maybe a coach is keeping freshmen hoping they will mature? Maybe anyone who likes baseball can get a uniform I don't know but 50 would be unmanageable.
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 23, 2009, 04:07:08 PM
I might be wrong but I don't see how any team can function with 50+ player on the roster. First of all they all can't be quality. A lot of hangers on and people wanting a good seat to watch games. Or maybe a coach is keeping freshmen hoping they will mature? Maybe anyone who likes baseball can get a uniform I don't know but 50 would be unmanageable.
I agree with you on this point. Holding 50 is just uncalled for.. Ive also heard that sometimes coaches to this to "hoard" talent basically keeping them so others dont get them, and if one of their regulars get hurt they have TONS of readily available talent. Its usually your DIV III high profile teams. The teams that have the name so players go there.
McKendree is a NAIA scholarship school. They always have big numbers they are usually good and I notice that McKendree plays a few of the schools that Mac plays during their Spring Break. NAIA schools aren't bad to play against but its a scholarship school against non scholarship school DIII teams should take it personal because their are many players in DIII that deserve to be scholarship players.
But McKendree's 1st Baseman Lucas O'Rear is from Nashville HS and he set a McKendree school record with 24 HRs last year. McKendree is a pretty good school regardless of their record. But this should be a good game for the Panthers to see live pitching and get their pitchers some innings before they go on their weekend trip and Spring Break trip.
Did anybody see that Webster plays the #1 team in DIII Cortland State during their Spring Break?
I can't wait for early season ball to start but overall it tells you little about the end of the season, especially the cold weather schools. As far as Webster goes I hope they represent the sliac well on their trip. I hope the same for all of the conference schools.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 23, 2009, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on February 23, 2009, 04:07:08 PM
I might be wrong but I don't see how any team can function with 50+ player on the roster. First of all they all can't be quality. A lot of hangers on and people wanting a good seat to watch games. Or maybe a coach is keeping freshmen hoping they will mature? Maybe anyone who likes baseball can get a uniform I don't know but 50 would be unmanageable.
I agree with you on this point. Holding 50 is just uncalled for.. Ive also heard that sometimes coaches to this to "hoard" talent basically keeping them so others dont get them, and if one of their regulars get hurt they have TONS of readily available talent. Its usually your DIV III high profile teams. The teams that have the name so players go there.
Due to what you're saying, I am surprised that there aren't more transfers.
You would think that would be the case. as far as that goes, i have no idea why those athletes would hang around. I did have a teammate in college that transferred in from a school like that. The team he was on held around 45-50 players and their practices were around 4 hours on a light day and they still had guys standing around at practice. It just doesnt seem very practical to me.
ALSO i know Greenville has a game tomorrow but i think we have overlooked Maryville having a game tomorrow as well.
Good luck to both of those teams tomorrow. Represent the SLIAC.. heres what we are looking for
Greenville 1-0
Maryville 1-0
Gametime temperature for Greenville @ McKendree is projected to be 55 and partly cloudy. Hope the field is in good shape. Play Ball!!
Quote from: #1PantherFan on February 24, 2009, 09:42:01 AM
Gametime temperature for Greenville @ McKendree is projected to be 55 and partly cloudy. Hope the field is in good shape. Play Ball!!
Sounds like a beautiful day for baseball ;D
50+ players is too many in uniform. I didn't know the number went up that high unless its in Spring training.
You would think if they are not playing at all when they are sophomores they would get out. But I guess some guys would rather sit on a real good team than play on a medium team. Baseball is a strange game and hard to figure. I have had players that were good kids, good athletes, worked hard and do anything I asked but would rather sit than play. You can always spot them on the field. They are the right and left fielders that hung the lines, cutting down their playable area or second basemen that hide behind the pitcher or setup opposite the hitter's power. Lastly, kids that always dive but never come up with the ball is a dead give away.
Here are my predictions for today. and then this weekend feel free to make your own, im always interested.
Feb 25th
Maryville(0-0) vs. Lincoln (0-4) Maryville
Greenville(0-0) vs. McKendree(0-7) McKendree
Feb 28th
Principia(0-0) vs. Christian Brothers(4-7) 2 GAMES CB,CB
Webster(0-0) vs. Illinois College(0-0) Webster
Blackburn(0-0) vs. Sewanee(1-3) 2 GAMES Sewanee, BB
Westminster(0-0) vs. Buena Vista(0-0) 2 GAMES BV,BV
Webster(0-0) vs. North Central(0-0) Webster
Mar 1st
Principia(0-0) vs. Christian Brothers(4-7) CB
Webster(0-0) vs. North Central(0-0) Webster
Westminster(0-0) vs. Buena Vista(0-0) Westminster
Blackburn(0-0) vs. Sewanee(1-3) Sewanee
Webster(0-0) vs. Illinois College (0-0) IC
AGAIN these are my predictions for this weekend..... then everyone starts spring break.... SO after this weekend.. IF my predictions are correct the standings will look as follows.
Maryville (1-0)
Webster (3-1)
Blackburn (1-2)
Westminster (1-2)
Fontbonne (0-0)
MacMurray (0-0)
Eureka (0-0)
Greenville (0-1)
Principia (0-3)
GOOD LUCK to ALL the SLIAC teams this weekend! and tomorrow
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 24, 2009, 10:20:33 AM
Here are my predictions for today. and then this weekend feel free to make your own, im always interested.
Feb 25th
Maryville(0-0) vs. Lincoln (0-4) Maryville
Greenville(0-0) vs. McKendree(0-7) McKendree
Feb 28th
Principia(0-0) vs. Christian Brothers(4-7) 2 GAMES CB,CB
Webster(0-0) vs. Illinois College(0-0) Webster
Blackburn(0-0) vs. Sewanee(1-3) 2 GAMES Sewanee, BB
Westminster(0-0) vs. Buena Vista(0-0) 2 GAMES BV,BV
Webster(0-0) vs. North Central(0-0) Webster
Mar 1st
Principia(0-0) vs. Christian Brothers(4-7) CB
Webster(0-0) vs. North Central(0-0) Webster
Westminster(0-0) vs. Buena Vista(0-0) Westminster
Blackburn(0-0) vs. Sewanee(1-3) Sewanee
Webster(0-0) vs. Illinois College (0-0) IC
AGAIN these are my predictions for this weekend..... then everyone starts spring break.... SO after this weekend.. IF my predictions are correct the standings will look as follows.
Maryville (1-0)
Webster (3-1)
Blackburn (1-2)
Westminster (1-2)
Fontbonne (0-0)
MacMurray (0-0)
Eureka (0-0)
Greenville (0-1)
Principia (0-3)
GOOD LUCK to ALL the SLIAC teams this weekend! and tomorrow
I wish I could argue but I'm not going to just for argument sake. Looks like solid picks based on what we know going into the season.
dont get me wrong, i HOPE that all the SLIAC teams come out undefeated this weekend.. i just dont see it happening.. BUT i will root for them all to win!
preview and flyonthewall, i see you guys are reading the wall.. feel free to post.
Hello all . I love the views I have read so far . Can't wait to join in .
Welcome to the board and go ahead, make enemies and tell us your picks for the weekend and who you are pulling for.
hey now no need to make enemies.. this is all in fun. i would be more than willing to sit with any one of you guys at a game and have some discussions on the games! HAHA!
AND welcome to the board SLIAC4LIFE!
i like your predictions, however i think westminster might get 2 out of 3... they were really strong last year and have added some big time transfers so look for them to dominate early
Quote from: flyonthewall on February 24, 2009, 02:36:47 PM
i like your predictions, however i think westminster might get 2 out of 3... they were really strong last year and have added some big time transfers so look for them to dominate early
FINALLY FLY something we can both agree on hahaha! YES i do think thay Westminster will be strong, but Buena Vista is a good program and like i said I would love to see everytime sweep this weekend, but I just dont see westminster taking 2 of 3 from BV, BUT i hope they do!
GOOD LUCK to ALL the SLIAC TEAMS THIS WEEKEND!!!!!
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 24, 2009, 10:20:33 AM
Here are my predictions for today. and then this weekend feel free to make your own, im always interested.
Feb 25th
Maryville(0-0) vs. Lincoln (0-4) Maryville
Greenville(0-0) vs. McKendree(0-7) McKendree
Feb 28th
Principia(0-0) vs. Christian Brothers(4-7) 2 GAMES CB,CB
Webster(0-0) vs. Illinois College(0-0) Webster
Blackburn(0-0) vs. Sewanee(1-3) 2 GAMES Sewanee, BB
Westminster(0-0) vs. Buena Vista(0-0) 2 GAMES BV,BV
Webster(0-0) vs. North Central(0-0) Webster
Mar 1st
Principia(0-0) vs. Christian Brothers(4-7) CB
Webster(0-0) vs. North Central(0-0) Webster
Westminster(0-0) vs. Buena Vista(0-0) Westminster
Blackburn(0-0) vs. Sewanee(1-3) Sewanee
Webster(0-0) vs. Illinois College (0-0) IC
AGAIN these are my predictions for this weekend..... then everyone starts spring break.... SO after this weekend.. IF my predictions are correct the standings will look as follows.
Maryville (1-0)
Webster (3-1)
Blackburn (1-2)
Westminster (1-2)
Fontbonne (0-0)
MacMurray (0-0)
Eureka (0-0)
Greenville (0-1)
Principia (0-3)
I think for the most part you got things in perspective . But being the new guy I guess I better throw my two cents in so I don't look like a know-nothing . If I had to oppose anything I think it would be that WC takes two from Vista . WC has high hopes for this year and I think that they need to and will take two . The way I see WC winning two is if they come out and get hits early , Vista has a lot of young arms that could get rattled early . As for Webster loosing one to IC , the only thing that could hold that to be true is if maybe they are worn out from 4 games in 2 days . But this is the first weekend out on the diamond I don't think fatigue will be a factor so Webster should be 4-0 Monday morning .
Adding to the excitement Fontbonne has two games on the 1st as well . They will play Coe College and Wash U (both games at Wash U) . I think that they could possibly beat Wash U . The SLIAC tends to give Wash U a battle so if FU's pitching holds up they have a chance . Coe College will pose threats to FU's pitching as well they have good power and they hit .301 as a team last year and split with Wash U in two games last season . I think that ending the day 1-1 would be a good day for FU . Any thoughts on these games ?
Sorry for the bold it does not have any significance , I am just a little clumsy .
Good first post. I think a lot comes down to how much you push your ace pitcher and how much time in early games you give to new comers, freshmen or last year's bench players. Some coaches don't mind losing early if it means winning at the end of the season and giving some time to new players is a way to find out early if they have what it takes.
My son tells me the plan for Greenville tomorrow is two innings apiece for the pitchers...hopefully.
The reason i think IC is going to take one from webster is because last year IC played very well against webster. They obviously played well enough to beat them too. I just think IC didnt lose enough for webster to walk in and work them.. Im sticking with my webster 3-1. BUT like ive said 3 times now, i really do hope that ALL SLIAC teams come back with sweeps
I am anxious to see Greenville's pitching. I think pitching will be the key to their success this year (OK, I know that is true for EVERY team, but....)
Anyway, I think Greenville will have a pretty good offense, defense should be decent (will reserve final judgment till the play a couple of games), but I have a knot in my stomach about pitching. I didn't see them much last year, so anyone's insight would be appreciated.
I wrote this a week ago. Broke down each team's pitching this is Greenville.
Greenville – Matt Leefers, Andy Rincker and Daniel Covert are virtually identical in the stats. Leefers - 45.7 Innings Pitched 8.86 era, Rincker 42.3 innings pitched 8.09 era and Covert 32.3 innings pitched 7.52 era. This explains their team era of 7.77, 7th in the conference.
If I were that consistent in my golf I would have turned pro years ago. Unfortunately it means that there is no standout on this team in the pitching category. Could one of these guys break out? Yes. Who? Impossible to guess. I have seen all three pitch and each has been impressive at times and at other times erratic. Rincker has more control but less velocity, Leefers is in the zone way too much and needs more sinking action if he is going to turn all of the singles hit against him into ground balls. Covert is all over the place and tries to muscle the ball too much. He is like an infielder trying to prove he can pitch when he is on the mound. He needs to relax and throw.
Good Luck to Maryville and Greenville today.. Take home a couple of SLIAC wins!
Quote from: #1PantherFan on February 24, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
My son tells me the plan for Greenville tomorrow is two innings apiece for the pitchers...hopefully.
Based on last year's stats that seems to be a theme (not to over work pitchers). It is wise early in the season to watch innings closely. I just hope they don't pull the trigger too early or give up a win.
videodawg, will you be at the game today? if so would you like to post some updates on here?
Unfortunately, not today I have to work. :( I wish each school had the ability to post inning by inning up dates. I would track all of the teams.
I will be at McKendree, but unfortunately I have no means to post any in-game updates. Will post the info ASAP.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on February 25, 2009, 11:57:33 AM
I will be at McKendree, but unfortunately I have no means to post any in-game updates. Will post the info ASAP.
Make sure and give us your version of the game. You can only get so much from box scores.
pantherfan that would be great thanks!.
AND i wish the WHOLE sliac would update a little kind of like webster and maryville who have a lot of updates on their website all the time. Blackburn hardly EVER updates their website and its pretty frusterating. And videodawg no worries we all have to work haha :(.. thats just how life is hahaha!
thanks for pointing out i'm working instead of watching baseball
ohhh man, i would feel bad for saying that BUT i am too :'(
Doesn't Blackburn have college kids working there? Why can't they update the website. I just checked it out and it is about useless.
they do but obviously that department doesnt function too well
Greenville - McKendree update.
5th inning - Greenville up 5-2. Zac Atkins just hit 3 run HR.
Go Panthers I hope the pitching holds up
Greenville - McKendree update. Not good news for the Panthers.
Final:
McKendree 10 Greenville 7
What happened? Obviously the pitching?? Errors?
My source tells me pitching.
That may be their Achilles heel all season long. But it being early in the year the coach probably wanted to see what he had. I hope he didn't sacrifice a win for a look see at a lower teir bull pen pitcher.
Maybe 1PantherFan can give us more info and his perspective. I was not at game, and just got bits and pieces via text.
I'd like to hear more about the game as well.
Ouch! The game was tied in the 8th. The McKendree website has a summary but no box score yet.
Nice try Panthers its still early in the season. But on another SLIAC note Maryville fell to Lincoln University (MO) 6-3. 2 SLIAC teams open the season 2day and both go 0-2. But on a positive note McKendree is a NAIA and Lincoln University is a NCAA Division II both scholarship schools so losing by 3 to both teams isn't all too bad.
I don't know how many games lincoln had under its belt but it is tough to come out and play your first game against a team that has played a half dozen times in the cold and come out on top. Greenville had a tough chore today.
Lincoln had 6 scheduled games prior to Maryville.
Greenville 020 030 002 - 7 7 4
McKendree 000 201 25X - 10 14 2
Greenville Hitting: Mike Scott 1-3 2B 2RBI, Kyle Hobar 1-4 2B 1RBI, Zac Atkins 2-5 HR 3RBI, Ross Cook 1-1 2B 1RBI, Justin Hubbard 1-3
McKendree Hitting: Calvin O'Rear 2-5, Adam Davinroy 1-5 2B 2RBI, Joe Dickman 1-5, Kory Peppenhorst 2-3, Craig Session 3-5 2B HR 5RBI, Ryan Meyer 1-4 2B 2RBI, Warren Militello 1-1 HR 1RBI, Dusty Schallenberg 3-4 2B
Greenville Pitching: Andy Rincker 4.0IP 2R 1ER 5H 0BB 2K, Matt Leefers 3.0IP 3R 3ER 5H 3BB 2K, Eric Heiden (L) 0.2IP 5R 2ER 3H 1BB 0K, Zach Miller 0.1IP 0R 0ER 1H 0BB 0K
McKendree Pitching: Cole Schrage 4.0IP 2R 2ER 2H 3BB 3K, Luke Poston 0.0IP 3R 3ER 1H 2BB 0K, Brandon Holtmann 1.0IP 0R 0ER 0H 0BB 1K, Ryan Uhe 1.0IP 0R 0ER 0H 1BB 2K, Mark Chapman 1.0IP 0R 0ER 1H 1BB 1K, Dakota Schutt (W) 1.0IP 0R 0ER 1H 0BB 1K, Eric Gentz 1.0IP 2R 2ER 2H 1BB 3K
Good first effort by the Panthers. They have had just a couple of days outdoors before this game. Took an early 2-0 lead on Scott's two-out double. Rincker pitched well for 4 innings. Atkins' 3 run HR to the opposite field put them on top. Leefers gave up a 1-out solo shot to Session in the 6th and then walked the next two but worked out of it with a K and a comebacker. In the 7th a bunt single , a 1-out seeing eye single and a walk loaded them up for McKendree and 2-run single by Session tied it up. Leefers got out of further trouble with a nice 1-6-3 DP.
Militello lead off HR in the 8th put McKendree on top to stay. Another bunt single and an error opened the floodgates for four more runs.
Like I said, I thought it was a good first effort against a good NAIA school, despite their 0-7 record coming in. I think GC's defense will tighten up as the season progresses, even without Neece I think we will be able to put some runs on the board, and the pitching will eventually benefit from both. Rincker pitched very well today and Leefers (as I've seen him do for 14-15 years ;)) pitched out of some jams with minimal damage.
Thanks for the report. Like I said above it is tough coming in and facing a NAIA school that has several games in after just a little outside practice. We will be hearing more from Greenville as the season goes on.
After two great games to start off the season, it will be interesting to see how the rest of the SLIAC plays this weekend.
also so maryville doesnt get left out.
they had some noteable hitters yesterday
Bo Bunton 3-3. 2 triples 1 walk 2 runs scored
Chad Henkleman 2-4 1 doublem 1 walk, and 1 stolen base
I noticed Allerdissen went 0-5 but no K's. That runs his streak to 154 straight AB's and 172 total plate appearances including all of last year. Does anyone know how far back into the 2007 season his streak runs?
I am not sure if this is the correct date but so far all I can find is that Alerdissen struck out in a game on March 7, 2007 when Maryville played a non-conference team, Widener University. Maryville was (4-3) at the time so I am guessing it has to be close.
Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on February 26, 2009, 02:49:38 PM
I am not sure if this is the correct date but so far all I can find is that Alerdissen struck out in a game on March 7, 2007 when Maryville played a non-conference team, Widener University. Maryville was (4-3) at the time so I am guessing it has to be close.
That's fairly early in the season. How many times did he strike out in 07? I wish the SLIAC archives would go farther back than just last year.
He struck out 7 times in '07. I am trying to count them up but I have found another one on the 18th of March against Clarke College. Yes it would be very nice if the SLIAC archives went back a little more it would be nice to know a lot more individual records.
He is a very tough out. More players need to put the ball in play especially when down in the count. I have seen soooooo many guys with two strikes, a guy on third with one out swing for the fence only to strike out or pop up. Do they not teach contact anymore?
Ha You would like to think so. In the 212 conference games last year there were 44 that ended with a mark of victory of 3 runs or less. Every team averaging about 275 runners left on for the season. Just think how much more exciting the race would be at the end of the season if that number gets cut down this year. These guys have to relize in a game that close it is 2 out hits and getting guys in, scoring 1 or 2 runs an inning that wins ball games. A lot of kids these days are worried about the long ball and it usually ends up with those 2 out pop ups and leaving guys on.
he struck out in the last game of the season in 07 against Blackburn... he had 2 more at bats afterwards so the streak is at 156 at-bats
Oh yes the season is on its way and my blood is running the the waters of the great Nile River. How do you not love baseball. It is the greatest sport ever played (closely followed by badmitton). Time to show off to everyone how hard you have worked all fall and winter. Even though this game is played in Spring it is won in the Fall and in the workouts in winter. This is where the extra rep in workouts and the extra sprint in conditioning pays off. When running the obstacle course one more time pays off. Its when your mom told you to stay in side because it was 37 degrees and drinching rain and you still decided to go run the loop one more time but maybe decide to take a detour because you found a cool trail. Or not. Either way but this is where it all pays off. Bring it on baby. One of the best parts though is to pick how you think the standings will end and then at the end of the season say "Oh Yea, I told you so." And since your buddy lost the bet he has to go pay for his gas naked next time. Either Way, here are my predictions:
1. Fontbonne
2. Marryville (go marryville)
3. Webster
4. Westminster
5. Blackburn
6. Eureka
7. Greenville
8. Principia
9. MacMurray
I am sure people have their questions about my rankings but I have my reasons and they are legit. Honestly I don't know how the top three will lay out at the end of the year but I do believe that the top three teams are Fontbonne, Marryville, and Webster.
I put Webster in the top 3 because last year they were very strong and finished in first, but they lost a lot of depth at pitching and I haven't seen much to fill that hole. They are still a great team and if their pitching gets some confidence then they could easily end up at that top.
I put Marrybille in the top 3 because they have a lot of returners that can really play. I can see that their chemistry is really starting to come together. Their major strength is their outfield (really strong out their, on both sides). And Marryville is not going to beat themselves with errors.
I put Fontbonne in the top 3 because honestly they have a great team that no one knows about. They have really brought in some great players. Fontbonne's pitching staff is questionable but if they get any confidence they should do fine. They have a lot of seasoned postion players especially in the infeild, and they can flat out rake. The scores should be high.
But besides rankings I am very excited to watch everyone play this year. Peace to my Homies
Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on February 26, 2009, 06:05:09 PM
Ha You would like to think so. In the 212 conference games last year there were 44 that ended with a mark of victory of 3 runs or less. Every team averaging about 275 runners left on for the season. Just think how much more exciting the race would be at the end of the season if that number gets cut down this year. These guys have to relize in a game that close it is 2 out hits and getting guys in, scoring 1 or 2 runs an inning that wins ball games. A lot of kids these days are worried about the long ball and it usually ends up with those 2 out pop ups and leaving guys on.
You ought to be coaching.
how can you be a maryville fan and not spell your school name right even once.... i like your predictions though, however, i think that westminster has a REAL shot at winning conference. they bring back a lot of pop in their bats and recruited in some pitchers who can win some games. look for them to be in the running coming down the final stretch of the season.
My predictions (and again, im not an expert, just another fan):
1. Maryville (returned every starter in the field and top 3 pitchers)
2. Westminster (Silver can lead team to a lot of wins and Mark Davidson is a key pitcher to bring in as he should dominate the SLIAC)
3. Webster (always fields a great team and runs all over the SLIAC causing havoc with runners in scoring position.... pitching should be strong again but not as solid this year--- they lost their top 2)
Here are your pitchers. As far as Davidson is concerned, if they are hanging their hopes on a freshman coming in with a 2.66 era and averaging almost a hit an inning, good luck. He obviously has potential and will be able to pad stats against bottom dwellers, but the big bats in the SLIAC are going to smack him around. Sophomore or Junior year should be the target. It is extremely rare that a freshman pitcher makes an impact. What has he been doing lately? Summer league etc.?
Westminster – Cody Blount the Junior lefty had a team leading era of 3.29 last year with 41 innings pitched. He had very impressive outings against Webster, Maryville and Blackburn, He gave up only 3 earned run against Webster. 0 against Maryville and 1 against Blackburn. This makes him a "Player to Watch" especially if he has worked out in the off-season.
Curt Byrd another good pitcher for Westminster. 4.54 era in 39.2 innings. Could have a great year if he has worked out learns to stay more on the edges of the plate and to pitch inside.
Pogue has some possibilities especially if you think that the naia is vastly superior to DIII. However looking exclusively at his stats while at Central Methodists reveals a player that only pitched 28.1 innings and had an era of 11.12. Also teams batted .371 against him.
Bronenkamp has potential but with only 4.2 innings pitched last year, it is difficult to make a good assessment. Also 1 full inning and two outings were against MacMurray
Hey Dawg thanks it has always been a dream of mine . I think you got it pretty locked down when it comes to WC's pitching . It is going to be subject all year and I don't see them winning the conference with Webster finishing 3rd . They will be in the top 4 but I think it will be a battle with FU for the 3 spot . Maryville's Murfin will pitch some gems and the rest of the staff will rally around the senior and I think that the rest of the team with 8 returners on defence will need no reminder how important this year is especally setting the bar going into division 2 next year .
I broke down all of the sliac pitching in two posts, split alphabetically a week ago or so. Take a look and tell me what you think.
Murfin should be one of the top three pitchers in the league this year. I hope he has a great season.
In Webster Weekly Game Notes are now available ... Webster Weekly Baseball Notes (http://www.websterathletics.com/documents/2009/2/27/Week01Notes.pdf?id=83)
The Rawlings/Lee's Sports Classic has been cancelled due to inclement weather ... The Gorloks will open the season on Tuesday, March 3 when they host Illinois College.
Thanks good info.
I know they are not in the SLAIC(but they are in St. Louis), but is anybody catching the WashU DH with Coe this weekend? I would love to get a report on what WashU has back. On paper they look solid with eight returning starters.
Its going to be a busy weekend but if I can I will check it out.
Should have Blackburn updates on Saturday from U of the South.
Any up dates on who is pitching at Blackburn and other starters?
Game 1: Ward
Game 2: Ozee
Game 3: Eilerman
Spala, Steckel, Matecki, Cadle, Holman, Snidle, Kittell, Lawson.
I think we know Ozee and Ward. It will be good to hear about Eilerman.
Just checked out the University of the South's website. What's a cloud out? Tomorrow is canceled too because it might snow. I hate early season. Might snow. Ha.
The field is at 2200 ft. The low lying clouds would not dissipate. Thus a cloud-out. This happened one game last year on the mountain. Word on the street is the team is coming back to Illinois. Look for a mid week DH at home before the spring trip.
It is always a problem with sliac teams, getting some playing time in before the Spring trip.
looks like all my predictions for this weekend went south. HAHA! Dang weather!
Any word on any makeups in the sliac?
Fontbonne is leading Washington University 6-1 in the fifth inning.
Report from florida.
Maryville loses two heartbreakers in a row to kings college (PA.)
4-3 and 5-4
Starting Maryville out at 0-3
Bunton stays hot with another decent day.
He now has 3 triples batting either hitting 4-7 or 4-8 so at least .500 or above missed the last at bat and i dont know if he got pinch hit for or not. also has 3 runs scored and 3 walks and 2 stolen bases.
Also, Allerdissen Decides to join in on the fun with a 2-3 game in game 1 with a stolen base a walk and a run.
And finally Henkelman is staying strong with a 2-5 game in game two with 3 rbis.
Rough start for the saints but they will turn it around. I have no doubts!
This just in Fontbonne Upsets Wash U 9-3
Grover gets the Win
6.0 IP 6 H 3Runs 3 Earned Runs 2 k's
Willey gets the Save
3.0 Innings 1H 0runs
Hot Hitters were Kraemer 2-5 with 1 run
Juergensmeyer 1-3 2 rbis..
Burlison, Horn, Juergensmeyer, Almany, and Tovar all had rbi's in the 9-3 victory.
Griffins scored 3 unearned runs..
Score by Innings R H E
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Fontbonne U......... 100 500 102 - 9 8 0
Washington U........ 010 002 000 - 3 7 4
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NO ERRORS = WINS BALL GAMES!
In Maryville's loss.
Murfin gave up 4 runs, none of them earned. It's baseball not soccer. Who was the guilty party?
Fontbonne defeats Wash U 9-3.
Link to the box score: http://bearsports.wustl.edu/baseball/game3.htm
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 02, 2009, 05:41:00 PM
This just in Fontbonne Upsets Wash U 9-3
Grover gets the Win
6.0 IP 6 H 3Runs 3 Earned Runs 2 k's
Willey gets the Save
3.0 Innings 1H 0runs
Hot Hitters were Kraemer 2-5 with 1 run
Juergensmeyer 1-3 2 rbis..
Burlison, Horn, Juergensmeyer, Almany, and Tovar all had rbi's in the 9-3 victory.
Griffins scored 3 unearned runs..
Score by Innings R H E
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Fontbonne U......... 100 500 102 - 9 8 0
Washington U........ 010 002 000 - 3 7 4
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NO ERRORS = WINS BALL GAMES!
Congrats...you are absolutely right about errors. Just ask Maryville.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 02, 2009, 05:41:49 PM
In Maryville's loss.
Murfin gave up 4 runs, none of them earned. It's baseball not soccer. Who was the guilty party?
thats why it is a team game my friend. my previous post states
NO ERRORS = WINS BALL GAMES!
I stand by that fact..
ALSO it seems as if the theme of the SLIAC this year is Stolen bases.. Everyone is doing it, you mine as well join them... Look at the box scores of all the games and there are at least 2-3 steals per game per SLIAC team.. Thats some good base running. Catchers Beware! :o
Dang, you wrote in while i was typing a reply haah!
Sorry to say this but the trip doesnt get much easier for Maryville.
Augustana who is ranked 27th Tomorrow should be a real test for the Saints.. They really need to tighten up the Defense because the hitting is there.
I will look for the box. You know one error can kill.
ALSO it seems as if the theme of the SLIAC this year is Stolen bases.. Everyone is doing it, you mine as well join them... Look at the box scores of all the games and there are at least 2-3 steals per game per SLIAC team.. Thats some good base running. Catchers Beware! :o
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What happened to the pitchers holding guys on? I know that the catcher has his part but what pitcher holds guys well? Who led in pickoffs last year?
Adam Lucas - had a rough outing against Lincoln University. 1 PB and 1 Error. He is the backup I guess. Catching could be a real weak spot for Maryville if Haven gets hurt.
Dawg I have to say I like your list enough to not really have a lot to say to it . But to have some input and maybe toss in some other names I guess I will .
BLACKBURN- No doubt will be led by Ward and Ozee .
EUREKA - Benji Cashdollar has to be their pitcher this year . I really believe Senior pitching gets the wins for a ball team and since he was their top pitcher last year he has to be the guy this year . Going off that I will say that their dark horse will be Senior Kyle Koerner . He did not have the most apperances last year but his opp. BA was low (.219) , ERA was average at 3.86 . If he can start and win a game or two early I think he steps up as a number 2 or 3 starter .
FONTBONNE - I think that there are two dark horses on this team . Jack Grover was out last year and is back for his Senior season . I think his velocity will keep him in games if he can throw off speed without reinjuring his arm . So. Jeff Jackson is another one on Fontbonne that can bring it . His record was only 1-3 and his ERA was high at 7.52 , but the coaches must see something in him with his 11 apps. last year . If he put in the work over the off season I think he could step up .
GREENVILLE - I have nothing to add to Leefers, Rincker, and Covert being the prode and glory of Greenvilles staff this year . Let's hope they can rally some other guys to step up as well .
MACMURRY - Same goes to Mac . Forthenberry is the man . If he can strike some more people out and his defence can play a little better I see him winning 6 games this year and only losing 3 . His walks were low only 8 . If that number is true then I don't think his control should be an issue making those strikeouts a little easier to come by .
I have 4 teams left to look at and not a lot of time to do it right now but I wanted to give you something for now . I will finish up ASAP .
Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on March 02, 2009, 08:17:16 PM
Dawg I have to say I like your list enough to not really have a lot to say to it . But to have some input and maybe toss in some other names I guess I will .
BLACKBURN- No doubt will be led by Ward and Ozee .
EUREKA - Benji Cashdollar has to be their pitcher this year . I really believe Senior pitching gets the wins for a ball team and since he was their top pitcher last year he has to be the guy this year . Going off that I will say that their dark horse will be Senior Kyle Koerner . He did not have the most apperances last year but his opp. BA was low (.219) , ERA was average at 3.86 . If he can start and win a game or two early I think he steps up as a number 2 or 3 starter .
FONTBONNE - I think that there are two dark horses on this team . Jack Grover was out last year and is back for his Senior season . I think his velocity will keep him in games if he can throw off speed without reinjuring his arm . So. Jeff Jackson is another one on Fontbonne that can bring it . His record was only 1-3 and his ERA was high at 7.52 , but the coaches must see something in him with his 11 apps. last year . If he put in the work over the off season I think he could step up .
GREENVILLE - I have nothing to add to Leefers, Rincker, and Covert being the prode and glory of Greenvilles staff this year . Let's hope they can rally some other guys to step up as well .
MACMURRY - Same goes to Mac . Forthenberry is the man . If he can strike some more people out and his defence can play a little better I see him winning 6 games this year and only losing 3 . His walks were low only 8 . If that number is true then I don't think his control should be an issue making those strikeouts a little easier to come by .
I have 4 teams left to look at and not a lot of time to do it right now but I wanted to give you something for now . I will finish up ASAP .
Excellent observations. Grover was a real question mark not having seen him throw for over a year. It looks like he is in good shape but that is based on just one start. It is good to see a comeback in the making and I hope the injury doesn't hamper him and he has a great year. Jackson has some promise if he can cut down on hits and walks. More than likely he spent a fair amount of the season last year pitching in and out of trouble.
If I missed Koerner it was purely an oversite he has good numbers. I know that 21 innings is not many in a season but his numbers were good. It also appears that he was used in relief a lot last year probably because he is needed at shortstop. Is he going to play a position and pitch? Can he pitch 9 or 7 innings then play 9 or 7 in the infield? Who knows. He is a talent and I should have added him for sure.
Greenville College hosts Washington University in a DH to begin at 1:00. Gametime temperature is projected to be 33 degrees, partly cloudy and a wind chill of 26 degrees.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 02, 2009, 10:43:05 PM
Greenville College hosts Washington University in a DH to begin at 1:00. Gametime temperature is projected to be 33 degrees, partly cloudy and a wind chill of 26 degrees.
Ahhhhh.... smells like fastballs in on the hands all day long. One of the rare days it is better to get fooled by the change-up than to be surprised by the heater.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 02, 2009, 10:43:05 PM
Greenville College hosts Washington University in a DH to begin at 1:00. Gametime temperature is projected to be 33 degrees, partly cloudy and a wind chill of 26 degrees.
Just received word that the games have been canceled for Tuesday. Game conditions are going to be too poor.
Webster now starts Thursday at 6:30 against IC, then goes straight to Florida for their spring trip. They play the number one team in the nation, could be interesting.
The SLIAC seems to always have a rough start due to weather. Seems like a majority of the teams go on spring break playing 0-5 games and play teams that have played between 10-15
i agree with you. They usually all have tough schedules to start and then a majority of them get rained out/snowed out/clouded out? Either way the SLIAC does have trouble getting those early season games in thanks to the St. Louis area.
Any updates on maryville? Had to come home early.
Ok let all pitch in and build an indoor baseball stadium. Then all teams could share it equally.
Could the Rams football stadium be configured for baseball? A sliac tourney in St. Louis would be a great idea. Get teams from all over the midwest to play four or five games apiece with out sliac teams facing each other. Now that's an idea.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 03, 2009, 01:54:36 PM
Could the Rams football stadium be configured for baseball? A sliac tourney in St. Louis would be a great idea. Get teams from all over the midwest to play four or five games apiece with out sliac teams facing each other. Now that's an idea.
Now that is one hell of an idea. The Rams are terrible anyway they mine as well let the SLIAC teams play there year round! But in all seriousness, that is a great idea and i wont what it would take to actually get something like that pulled together.
STILL no word on the Maryville games.
Maryville drops two to Augustana 11-4 and 3-0.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2009, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 03, 2009, 01:54:36 PM
Could the Rams football stadium be configured for baseball? A sliac tourney in St. Louis would be a great idea. Get teams from all over the midwest to play four or five games apiece with out sliac teams facing each other. Now that's an idea.
Now that is one hell of an idea. The Rams are terrible anyway they mine as well let the SLIAC teams play there year round! But in all seriousness, that is a great idea and i wont what it would take to actually get something like that pulled together.
STILL no word on the Maryville games.
It would start with stadium configuration. I don't even know if it could be pulled off. then there is the matter of cost for the facility. However with so many teams coming in and fans it would certainly benefit St. Louis when the only other game in town is the Blues. To really get this done however it would take a very active SLIAC. If it were even possible I would lend any support I can.
Too bad about Maryville. A win would have really been a feather in their cap and the SLIAC
Clearly you guys are starved for the season to start. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You realize the dome holds 60,000? The average SLIAC game draws less than 150. Let's be extremely generous and say 5,000 people show up (not sure where they all come from). Do you know how empty that place would feel?
I would start with 6 figures and go up from there in terms of costs. I'm sure the frugal SLIAC could afford that.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 03, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Clearly you guys are starved for the season to start. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You realize the dome holds 60,000? The average SLIAC game draws less than 150. Let's be extremely generous and say 5,000 people show up (not sure where they all come from). Do you know how empty that place would feel?
I would start with 6 figures and go up from there in terms of costs. I'm sure the frugal SLIAC could afford that.
I was just wondering the same thing about all the MidEast games that are now being played in the Metrodome in Minneapolis. It certainly can't be a money maker for the stadium, but they must be able to do it with little enough cost that the good PR makes it worthwhile.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 03, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Clearly you guys are starved for the season to start. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You realize the dome holds 60,000? The average SLIAC game draws less than 150. Let's be extremely generous and say 5,000 people show up (not sure where they all come from). Do you know how empty that place would feel?
I would start with 6 figures and go up from there in terms of costs. I'm sure the frugal SLIAC could afford that.
Hey don't crush my dreams. :'( Anyway Mr. Dream Killer, 5000 would be very optimistic. 600 ball players and some fans would be more likely. And yes I am wanting the season to start right now.
If it were to ever happen and this is just silly talk...it would have to be simple generosity from the stadium folks. I don't think that the SLIAC could even afford operating cost for a weekend with a team of volunteer help (ushers, ticket takers) and the gate would never make this profitable.
Maybe we could just plow under some corn and make our field there???
Quote from: RSSmith on March 03, 2009, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 03, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Clearly you guys are starved for the season to start. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You realize the dome holds 60,000? The average SLIAC game draws less than 150. Let's be extremely generous and say 5,000 people show up (not sure where they all come from). Do you know how empty that place would feel?
I would start with 6 figures and go up from there in terms of costs. I'm sure the frugal SLIAC could afford that.
I was just wondering the same thing about all the MidEast games that are now being played in the Metrodome in Minneapolis. It certainly can't be a money maker for the stadium, but they must be able to do it with little enough cost that the good PR makes it worthwhile.
The Metrodome currently does this????? How many teams? Has it already taken place?
info info info.
MY DREAM LIVES!!! MY DREAM LIVES!!! MY DREAM LIVES!!!
The Metrodome held the SLIAC football games. Approx 300 people showed up. The SLIAC has lost two members this year in football. It would'nt work. We all know that spring ball in the midwest is iffy. The lads want to play, the coaches want to coach, the umps want to be paid . Nut up and play, if there's grass on the infield (not snow) PLAY BALL! Baseball is meant to be played outside. Every team has practiced outside in this weather to get ready for the season.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 03, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on March 03, 2009, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 03, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Clearly you guys are starved for the season to start. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You realize the dome holds 60,000? The average SLIAC game draws less than 150. Let's be extremely generous and say 5,000 people show up (not sure where they all come from). Do you know how empty that place would feel?
I would start with 6 figures and go up from there in terms of costs. I'm sure the frugal SLIAC could afford that.
I was just wondering the same thing about all the MidEast games that are now being played in the Metrodome in Minneapolis. It certainly can't be a money maker for the stadium, but they must be able to do it with little enough cost that the good PR makes it worthwhile.
The Metrodome currently does this????? How many teams? Has it already taken place?
info info info.
Sorry, I meant the Midwest Region. As I look at the Midwest boards, I see dozens of Minnesota teams playing early season games in the Metrodome. E.g. Hamline has played six games there (although two back halves of double headers didn't count because they ran out of time on their time limit. It looks to me like they are playing some non-stop, indoor DIII baseball in Minneapolis. Look at the other boards.
Quote from: RSSmith on March 03, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 03, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: RSSmith on March 03, 2009, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 03, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
Clearly you guys are starved for the season to start. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You realize the dome holds 60,000? The average SLIAC game draws less than 150. Let's be extremely generous and say 5,000 people show up (not sure where they all come from). Do you know how empty that place would feel?
I would start with 6 figures and go up from there in terms of costs. I'm sure the frugal SLIAC could afford that.
I was just wondering the same thing about all the MidEast games that are now being played in the Metrodome in Minneapolis. It certainly can't be a money maker for the stadium, but they must be able to do it with little enough cost that the good PR makes it worthwhile.
The Metrodome currently does this????? How many teams? Has it already taken place?
info info info.
Sorry, I meant the Midwest Region. As I look at the Midwest boards, I see dozens of Minnesota teams playing early season games in the Metrodome. E.g. Hamline has played six games there (although two back halves of double headers didn't count because they ran out of time on their time limit. It looks to me like they are playing some non-stop, indoor DIII baseball in Minneapolis. Look at the other boards.
Well, maybe one dozen.
Thanks for the info. So you think the odds are one out of a million? We gotta chance. ;D
just to fill in BIGTOUGHGUY, the UMAC which is BLACKBURN's old football conference before rejoining the SLIAC as well as the SLIAC, hosted a mini tourney at the metrodome in minnesota. Just so you know they never once came close to filling the place. i would say they had about 2000 fans there TOPS and that was from all 8 teams. SO its not about how much they can fill the stadium its about how many GAMES the teams can get in. Thanks for posting up on the SLIAC board but i think its time you return back to where you came from.
ALSO looks like we may see some wins today.
Blackburn starts in on the fun with a 1- 9 inning game against Millikin. It says its a double header on the sliac site but it is wrong.
Ward will start todays game for the Beavers and is looking to start out strong on his senior campaign. Im calling for 6-10 strikeouts and 2 hit batters haha.
Also
Maryville(0-5) faces St. VIncent(0-4) today.
Look for Maryville to get their first win today. Bunton is swinging a hot stick and it seems like his senior seasons has also started out with a bang. If the denfense comes to play today they will pull in their first win. HOWEVER that defense has been lacking thus far so we will have to wait and see.
LETS GO BEAVERS, SAINTS!
SLIAC RECORD TO DATE : 1-6
SLIAC RECORD AFTER TODAY : 3-6
Playing at the Metrodome costs a team $1000 per doubleheader. For that money you get the field for a very strict 4.5 hour block. Some other details: No concessions. Tix are $5 plus $5 for parking. Carry-ins are allowed. The Dome has been hosting all-night, February/March baseball since the mid-80's.
It's not only D-III teams that play there. UW-Whitewater picked up a game against the University of Washington. All divisions play there during February and March. Right now the Dairy Queen Classic is being held there concurrent with the random noncon games. Pepperdine, Tulane, Minnesota, TCU, etc., are playing in the DQC this year.
Basically it's around-the-clock baseball at the dome this time of year. Hell, you can even practice there in the wee a.m. hours for $400/hr. But it's a bummer when you get a 11 p.m. DH start and then don't complete game two. And yes, there are games where there are 20 fans. Then again you get some pretty sweet seats when you're battling 19 others for the prime areas.
Yes, I understand the Metrodome hosts baseball games....because they have BASEBALL FIELD!!! The Edward Jones dome is not home to a baseball team, nor has a baseball game ever been played there.
Sorry to offend any Northerners, but I'd rather suffer through some lousy weather in Febuary/March than live in Minnesota year round and be able to play a few games in the Metrodome.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 04, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
ALSO looks like we may see some wins today.
Blackburn starts in on the fun with a 1- 9 inning game against Millikin. It says its a double header on the sliac site but it is wrong.
Ward will start todays game for the Beavers and is looking to start out strong on his senior campaign. Im calling for 6-10 strikeouts and 2 hit batters haha.
SLIAC RECORD TO DATE : 1-6
SLIAC RECORD AFTER TODAY : 3-6
Even if Blackburn does beat Millikin, I am not certain it would prove much. The Big Blue has been at, or near, the bottom of the CCIW for as long as I can remember. I think it will be a solid matchup between two evenly matched teams (yes... I am insinuating that the bottom half of the CCIW is better than the middle of the SLIAC. Sorry, history proves it).
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 04, 2009, 12:28:19 PM
Even if Blackburn does beat Millikin, I am not certain it would prove much. The Big Blue has been at, or near, the bottom of the CCIW for as long as I can remember. I think it will be a solid matchup between two evenly matched teams (yes... I am insinuating that the bottom half of the CCIW is better than the middle of the SLIAC. Sorry, history proves it).
You can insinuate all you want. Obviously you are allowed to do so. Blackburn hasnt been the middle of the SLIAC until last season, which was obviously an off season. Before that they were always top 1-3 in the conference. History also proves that. I wasnt trying to knock the cciw by any means. Just saying, the SLIAC should look to pick up some wins today.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 04, 2009, 12:27:27 PM
Yes, I understand the Metrodome hosts baseball games....because they have BASEBALL FIELD!!! The Edward Jones dome is not home to a baseball team, nor has a baseball game ever been played there.
Sorry to offend any Northerners, but I'd rather suffer through some lousy weather in Febuary/March than live in Minnesota year round and be able to play a few games in the Metrodome.
HA! i am not from minnesota and i agree with your living choice! I am from the st. louis area. It was just a good idea, that was just thrown out there, with no
REAL intentions. apparently you didnt get that though. It was only a
JOKE.
I realize it was intended as a joke, but the in-depth anaylysis got ridiculous. It's like if I were to say that Eureka College was going to win the D3 World Series. Then the next 10 posts went on to justify why & how this could actually happen.
Again, it all comes back to the fact that we just need more games to start in order to spruce up the conversations.
more games would be great... the beginning of the season is always rough like we have all stated in the past. either way... Good luck to Blackburn and Maryville today.. Pull home a couple of SLIAC wins!
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 04, 2009, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 04, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
ALSO looks like we may see some wins today.
Blackburn starts in on the fun with a 1- 9 inning game against Millikin. It says its a double header on the sliac site but it is wrong.
Ward will start todays game for the Beavers and is looking to start out strong on his senior campaign. Im calling for 6-10 strikeouts and 2 hit batters haha.
SLIAC RECORD TO DATE : 1-6
SLIAC RECORD AFTER TODAY : 3-6
Even if Blackburn does beat Millikin, I am not certain it would prove much. The Big Blue has been at, or near, the bottom of the CCIW for as long as I can remember. I think it will be a solid matchup between two evenly matched teams (yes... I am insinuating that the bottom half of the CCIW is better than the middle of the SLIAC. Sorry, history proves it).
I don't think these early games mean much to anyone in general. I bet you are going to see 2 Innings a piece out of the top three pitchers then mop up work. The box will tell.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 04, 2009, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 04, 2009, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 04, 2009, 09:34:44 AM
ALSO looks like we may see some wins today.
Blackburn starts in on the fun with a 1- 9 inning game against Millikin. It says its a double header on the sliac site but it is wrong.
Ward will start todays game for the Beavers and is looking to start out strong on his senior campaign. Im calling for 6-10 strikeouts and 2 hit batters haha.
SLIAC RECORD TO DATE : 1-6
SLIAC RECORD AFTER TODAY : 3-6
Even if Blackburn does beat Millikin, I am not certain it would prove much. The Big Blue has been at, or near, the bottom of the CCIW for as long as I can remember. I think it will be a solid matchup between two evenly matched teams (yes... I am insinuating that the bottom half of the CCIW is better than the middle of the SLIAC. Sorry, history proves it).
I don't think these early games mean much to anyone in general. I bet you are going to see 2 Innings a piece out of the top three pitchers then mop up work. The box will tell.
Of course we want the "W" but most coaches want to see what they have early. Unfortunately a lot of pitchers will take the mound today and a loss may be the product on either side.
A follow up to my pitching prospects (other than VideoDawgs previous list) for the 2009 season:
MARYVILLE - One guy that I think will have to step up this year is a 6'2 210 Sophmore , Cole Sibley . With a frame like that and the right mechanics I don't see why this kid couldn't improve on his stats from last year . If his ERA comes down from the high 4's and his strike outs stay consistant to the number of innings he pitches , I could see his ERA going down . He kept hitters to a .250 average in his 8 apperances so I see some promise in this young arm .
PRINCIPIA - Past Raffles and Ball one guy they could count on is Kyle Johnson . Although they will rely on him more at the plate and in the field , if he pitches more to contact and doesn't try to strike people out I think he will see the ERA go down and he could be a pretty reliable Senior for the Panthers .
WEBSTER - John DuHadway . This kid probably has the most decieving stats based on his ERA (6.27) . He put in 37.1 innings of work and struck out 50 . That is a good number and if the coaches can get his location down I think his hits (47) will go down as well .
WESTMINSTER - This team has a lot of pitching and that is always a good problem to have . I think one guy that will stand out is Mike Oliveri . He allowed 6 earned runs in 27 innings . If he assumes the closer role as he did for the most part last year he will have to figure out how to miss the bats a little more . I always think that the best thing a closer can have is a srtike out pitch that he is completely comfortable throwing . More innings for this kid may result in the extra wins the Blue Jays need to be in that seemingly untouchable top 2 .
Well that is all I have to add on the great overview that you all have already posted on . I hope my additions can brew up some thought .
Maryville University defeated Saint Vincent by a score of 6-3.
Blackburn took it on the chin 7-5. No box score yet.
BC gave the game away today. It also didn't help they struck out 16 times in 27 outs. Cadle can stroke it. Watch for him. Ward ineffective (missing spots) All 4 in rotation pitched. Home town kid took loss. Nothing new, BC will go on spring trip without a win. And a happy b-day to their coach.
Blackburn's Freshmen John Wasson was 2-3 yesterday with a 2 run homer and a single. Good start for the new guy. Also two other new comers for blackburn swung it well. Adam Cadle who had a triple and 2 rbis and Tony Matecki. Matecki had a double with an rbi.
Pretty bad start for the beavers. Like stated above, they struck out 16 times against a pretty weak Millikin team. Blackburn should hope to cut those stikeouts WAY down or it could be a LONG season.
On the maryville side, Henkleman stays hot and stretches his hitting streak to 5 games, and Bunton picks up his fourth triple of the year...
I have an idea for all the SLIAC teams though, how about you all send in your box scores to SLIAC.org so people who arent around as much can get updates!
here are some of your noteable name players at Maryville and how they are doing
Allerdissen 5-24 .208 1 double, 2 rbi's, 1 run, 1 walk, 4 stolen bases
Henkleman 8-25 .320 1 double, 4 rbi's, 2 walks, 1 stolen base
Bunton 6-19 .316 4 Triples, 3 rbi's, 3 runs, 4 walksm 2 stolen bases
Huckstep 6-18 .333 5 Walks
Stenzel 5-24 .208 2 rbi's, 2 runs, 1 walk
That is all for now.
Todays Games:
Principia Vs. Ozark Christian
Principa Vs. St. Louis Christian
Webster vs. Illinois College
Principia COULD come out of todays contests with a 2-0 record. I dont know much about Ozark Christian but i do know that principia always beats st. louis christian, they just dont have much to work with at that st. Louis Christian.
Webster will have a legit competitive game today. IC returns 3 of its top 5 hitters from last year. Baran who batted .412 with 16 rbis, and 12 stolen bases in 14 attempts is back. Wherley who batted .380 with 3 homers, 17 rbis, and 9-9 in stolen bases, and Allemang who batted .359, and finally Vandeford who only batted .268 butdrove in a team high of 20 rbis. On the pitching end, they seem to be a little weaker. Losing Collignan wasnt a big hit, but losing Eilerman was. With the two top strikeout pitchers gone IC is going to have to look towards two of their better pitchers from last year. Cripe who posted 3.53 era with a 3-2 record and 19 strikeouts to 8 walks is likely to get the start, or Williams who was 4-0 with a 3.33 era and 15ks-4BB.
All in all i think webster has the hitting to beat ICs pitching but their defense needs to show up to hold down their hitting. Should be a great game.
The key to Webster will be the pitching they recruited this season. They have a lot of innings to replace. I don't think the hitting will be a problem for them all season.
Game recap from last night and spring break notes are now available .... Click Here (http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/3/5/BB_ICrecap.aspx)
Webster played well yesterday winning 8-0 over Illinois College (IC) they were lead by Dakota Huey's 4-4 day with 2 2Bs and 1 RBI, Zach Little had a 1-4 2 RBI day and John Combs 2-4 1 RBI got the first HR of the season for Webster and Broughton's 8 scoreless innings 4 hits 1 BB and 9 k's. Andrew Fuiten 1-2 1 RBI 2 BB but a rough day at the dish for Alex Raetzloff as he goes 0-4 with 2Ks and 1 BB. On another note Principia becomes the first SLIAC team to 2-0 as they beat Ozark Christian 18-7 and then win a nail bitter to St. Louis Christian 14-13. I think ALL the SLIAC coaches are crazy if they think MacMurray is bad enough to play close to St. Louis Christian. Congrats to Prin for starting 2-0 but who in the SLIAC wouldn't have playing the 2 games they did yesterday? Fontbonne commits 6 errors and loses to Wash U 6-4. Fontbonne was led by Justin Juergensmeyer 2-4 and Jason Nikolaisen 3-4 with 1 RBI.
On the slate today we have:
Greenville @ Birmingham Southern and @ Capital @ 1:00 and 3:30 pm
Principia vs Lincoln Christian @ 6:30 pm
Still yet to see action is:
Westminster but scheduled to play Grinnell @ home this weekend
Eureka but scheduled to play Dallas in Texas this weekend
MacMurray but scheduled to play Monday
SLIAC Record to date: 5-8
Well that wasn't much of a game. Eric Broughton came in with his new pitching motion and really threw off the IC hitters. Coming into this game there was little doubt that WU would take this game. They only problem was the offense didn't really get going. This is little to worry about if your pitching can be that good as well as stellar defense. The real test will come over Florida.
I just got back from watching Fontbonne play and I have to let my feelings be felt about something. I am sick and tired of going to baseball games just to watch the worst umpires ever. Today at Fontbonne's game was the worst officiating I have ever seen, and I have gone to little league games so I have seen some bad umpping. They were the worst kind of officials because of instead of officiating (which is their job) they wanted to become the show. Instead of letting the game be the entertainment they thought "hey look at me. Look at what I can do." They threw out Fontbonne's assistant coach for arguing a call at second when the coach clearly was not talking at the moment. It was hideous. They also missed many plays by not paying attention to tag ups. I understand that it is a very tough job to try and watch everything on the field and that no one is going to get every call right, but it was just an add on for these officials. I thought that the umps thought that they get paid more for throwing people out and holding up the game. I was just astonished. I feel bad for both of the teams that had to put up with that. It is a game and your job is to make calls, not think you are on a reality show and get your 15 minutes of fame. All I say is let the players be the show, and do your job. It gives umps that do a great job a bad name. Not all umps are bad, but the ones that officiated at this game were. I am just begging the SLIAC to find the good umps so we can all just enjoy watching these great players play baseball.
Blackburn lost to four time national champion Marietta College 11-6 in Memphis,TN on Saturday night. Still can't get the bats going with another nine strikeouts.
In from Clinton, MS... Mississippi College 14 Blackburn 4
Blackburn lost to Loyola of New Orleans 13-3.
So before we talk about conference play, we should take a look and get an update about last year's flop, the Fontbonne Griffins. With a 15-19 record last year, things would appear difficult for them in '09. Well after 6 games, they look like a totally different team. But you may as well count them out since they never are capable of winning key conference games. I would expect the same this year.
With little leadership from Senior Captains Justin Juergensmeyer and Dan Horn, they look to be headed down the same road. Horn has trouble with all sorts of his game. It looks as though his breakout season last year will be put on hold this Spring. He boasts a .208 average, not even half of what he put up last year. He seems to struggle in clutch situations and looks to be faded.
BTW: I agree with you "videodawg" about Willy and Willey.
On a side note, don't be fooled by sophomore Jason Nikolaisen. He'll have to avoid being suspended again this season if he wants to help his club. Besides, his texas leaguers are about to expire. Trust me.
gotta love the hater talk... and look, its from the ALMIGHTY WEBSTER!!! its called getting off to a slow start. horn has proven he can dominate with the bat, the legs, and the arm, and I know he will do it again this season. Nikolaisen is a good ball player and will continue to stroke the ball and get on base anyway anyhow. we could talk about how raetzloff is struggling right now, but we all know he will heat up anytime, so lets not start with the bashing because someone is off to a slow start.
Quote from: glkballmvp7 on March 11, 2009, 01:38:25 AM
So before we talk about conference play, we should take a look and get an update about last year's flop, the Fontbonne Griffins. With a 15-19 record last year, things would appear difficult for them in '09. Well after 6 games, they look like a totally different team. But you may as well count them out since they never are capable of winning key conference games. I would expect the same this year.
With little leadership from Senior Captains Justin Juergensmeyer and Dan Horn, they look to be headed down the same road. Horn has trouble with all sorts of his game. It looks as though his breakout season last year will be put on hold this Spring. He boasts a .208 average, not even half of what he put up last year. He seems to struggle in clutch situations and looks to be faded.
BTW: I agree with you "videodawg" about Willy and Willey.
On a side note, don't be fooled by sophomore Jason Nikolaisen. He'll have to avoid being suspended again this season if he wants to help his club. Besides, his texas leaguers are about to expire. Trust me.
WOW! Way to support your team. Looks like we have some unhappy players at Fontbonne who feel they should be playing ahead of others. That is always a recipe for disaster.
Hey I was thinking this year would be exciting in the SLIAC but I never thought this board would as hostile as it has become before conference play has even started. I do not think Raz should be critizied coming off the year he had last season , these guys put out quite an effort every day and it is undoubtable the big bats will answer the call at some stretch of the season . For FU , they beat a very good team at Rose-Hulman in 10 innings today . Holman was 8-2 which is nothing to turn the other way about , and as for Willey , he faired well today the stats will show that . Poppa I think those guys on FU that might be posting should turn their energy into suppot for a FU team that could possibly make a lot of unexpected noise in the SLIAC and the the region .
Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on March 11, 2009, 09:19:04 PM
Hey I was thinking this year would be exciting in the SLIAC but I never thought this board would as hostile as it has become before conference play has even started. I do not think Raz should be critizied coming off the year he had last season , these guys put out quite an effort every day and it is undoubtable the big bats will answer the call at some stretch of the season . For FU , they beat a very good team at Rose-Hulman in 10 innings today . Holman was 8-2 which is nothing to turn the other way about , and as for Willey , he faired well today the stats will show that . Poppa I think those guys on FU that might be posting should turn their energy into suppot for a FU team that could possibly make a lot of unexpected noise in the SLIAC and the the region .
Agreed!!
Nothing like some inter-squad temper tantrums to bring a team together.
Big Games in featuring the Central Region this weekend:
March 13
Illinois Wesleyan vs. Wartburg at Webster, 4 p.m.
March 14
Illinois Wesleyan at Webster, 10 a.m.
Wartburg at Webster
Beloit vs St. Joes (NY)
Concordia Chicago vs. Illinois Wesleyan
March 15
Augustana (Ill.) vs. Central in Fort Myers, Fla., 9 a.m., EDT
Wartburg vs Concordia-Chicago
Concordia Chicago vs. Webster
Looking forward to the trip to Florida next week. Here is Greenville College's schedule:
Monday, March 16th - Wisconsin Stevens Point (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Tuesday, March 17th - Franklin & Marshall (DH) 9:30A @ Lake Myrtle Main (Auburndale)
Tuesday, March 17th - JV vs. Fontbonne JV 1:00P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Thursday, March 19th - Millikin (DH) 9:45A @Chain Lakes #2 (Winter Haven)
Friday, March 20th - Edgewood (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #3 (Auburndale)
Saturday, March 21st - St. Norbert 10:00A @ Chain Lakes #4 (Winter Haven)
well after one conference game, it looks like we are going to have one great of a SLIAC season... Maryville came back and won in the top of the 9th inning against what was considered one of the better teams in the conference
if i do say so myself. Maryville is the team to beat in the sliac. Westminster, not so much. so as for coming back against one of the "best teams in the sliac"... i think you meant to say one of the best teams came back to win.
Quote from: thenatural13 on March 15, 2009, 11:54:48 PM
if i do say so myself. Maryville is the team to beat in the sliac. Westminster, not so much. so as for coming back against one of the "best teams in the sliac"... i think you meant to say one of the best teams came back to win.
I agree with this. I would say that there are team
s to beat : Webster and Maryville in no specific order. However it does seem as if Fontbonne is playing very well and believe it or not blackburn has started to swing it. Its still early and sliac records never look the best right out of the gates.
We chatted a lot early on about key injuries. Does any one have the inside scoop on any of the guys that came into the season banged up? Is someone doing well that was injured at the begining of the season? Who is hurt after the Spring trips?
Greenville lost a pair to UWisconsin Stevens Point 8-2 & 13-3.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 16, 2009, 07:10:45 PM
We chatted a lot early on about key injuries. Does any one have the inside scoop on any of the guys that came into the season banged up? Is someone doing well that was injured at the begining of the season? Who is hurt after the Spring trips?
A key injury for the beavers may be their returning sophomore catcher wilhelmi. Looks like he may be out for the season.
Eureka splits with MacMurray 2day winning 9-6 and losing 12-11. Very exciting games both teams played hard and well. Mac looked alot better than I thought they would Clay McConkey went the distance for Eureka in game 1. Last year's 2nd team all conference pitcher Cashdollar got the ND in the second game and got roughed up a little bit and Blake McConkey suffered the loss in relief. Knoblauch had 2 HRs for Eureka. Mac won the game in the bottom of the 7th. Lead off man Helmrichs singled, bunted over by Butler and Sellers hit the game winning Double. Good games today looking forward to more to come.
Does Blackburn play Eureka next at Blackburn this weekend?
Blackburn plays @ Eureka in a one 9 inning game on Saturday and then a DH @ Home Sunday.
Quote from: thenatural13 on March 17, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 16, 2009, 07:10:45 PM
We chatted a lot early on about key injuries. Does any one have the inside scoop on any of the guys that came into the season banged up? Is someone doing well that was injured at the begining of the season? Who is hurt after the Spring trips?
A key injury for the beavers may be their returning sophomore catcher wilhelmi. Looks like he may be out for the season.
Too bad for the Beavers any word on replacements?
Quote from: ready2win on March 17, 2009, 10:50:39 PM
Blackburn plays @ Eureka in a one 9 inning game on Saturday and then a DH @ Home Sunday.
Thanks the Eureka site has it the other way around.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 17, 2009, 10:51:08 PM
Too bad for the Beavers any word on replacements?
They do have a freshman John Wasson who homered in his first collegiate game and has been playing pretty solid for them. Wilhelmi came into the season injured. Tried to play on spring break and made it worse. its not 100% but its about 99% that he is out for the season.
does anyone else think the sliac players of the week for baseball are rediculous. they made players of the week based on 3 hits, and the other on 2 innings pitched. just silly!
The players of the week are often very silly. I had a long discussion last year with the commish. He said that they can only go on the submissions from the coaches. Some coaches don't get the stats in. Teams that get them in promptly get more players of the week.
I guess that Maryville was the only team that turned one in this week then?
must be.... Dakota Huey and Alan Cheathem had great weeks. Cheathem is 11-17 hitting with 2 bombs and Dakota Huey has a few 3 hit games this week.
Whats the deal with Eureka and MacMurray. I know Eureka had a pretty decent year last season and MacMurray was not that strong. did Mac pick up some studs or what? I'm hoping for a much more equal conference this year with everyone contending. Not saying Mac can contend for a title, but its a lot more fun when the top teams arent just padding stats against the weaker teams and we can have some good ballgames.
Knoblauch had 2 bombs? I thought he was inelligible?
Maryville's bats stay hot in the series against Westminster. 9 runs, 8 runs, and 19 runs? they scored 13 runs in the 1st inning against Blount.
No idea what happen with Eureka or MacMurray. I just know it was two hard fought games yesterday. Eureka pitched Clay McConkey 7 IP, 6 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 11 Ks. Benji Cashdollar 5 IP, 8 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 4 Ks and a No Decision. Blake McConkey who got the loss the 2nd game 1.1 IP, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HBP.
Mac used Joe Essig who received the loss 3 IP, 6 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 Ks and then the 2nd game Nick Schmidt 4 IP, 8 R, 8 ER, O BB, 1 K, 1 HBP and a No Decision. Scott Schlinder who got the win the 2nd game 3 IP, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 2 Ks.
Eureka made 6 errors altogether and Mac 5.
for those of you who were so quick to defend westminster at the beginning of the season, please refer to their first three conference games as a wake up call. If you are not aware of what the scores were let me refresh your memories!
Maryville 9 - Westminster 8
Maryville 8 - Westminster 0
Maryville 19 - Westminster 1
SOOO it looks like they were outscored 36-9. Enjoy that!
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 18, 2009, 01:44:13 PM
for those of you who were so quick to defend westminster at the beginning of the season, please refer to their first three conference games as a wake up call. If you are not aware of what the scores were let me refresh your memories!
Maryville 9 - Westminster 8
Maryville 8 - Westminster 0
Maryville 19 - Westminster 1
SOOO it looks like they were outscored 36-9. Enjoy that!
Theoneandonly... do you need a hug? I have yet to find another regular poster who is as consistent as you at offending others on this board. Clearly you have some quality knowledge of the SLIAC and its workings, but I fear most people have quit listening to you as a result of your constant bashing and know-it-all attitude.
You could be a valuable and insightful member of this SLIAC community, but you are choosing to alienate yourself on a daily basis. I would love it if you could talk more about what SLIAC teams CAN do versus attacking what they CAN'T.
I just merely state the facts. I have some insight, but DO NOT have a know it all attitude, but if thats how you see my postings then so be it. I cant change how you view what i write. Misconception is a major problem on the internet since it does not express emotions, sarcasm being one of them. AND I dont look to offend and if thats how you take me saying to all of those who were so quick to defend look at the first week as offensive, well then its obvious you're not up with the 21st century.. I really do hope you dont watch FOX, or even CBS for that matter, you might get really offended.
In all seriousness though, im not here to offend anyone, espically someone with your knowledge and longevitiy bigpoppa, i just thought that i would point out the fact that Maryville swept Westminster. If you believe i went about that the wrong way, well I cant do anything to change that. Its just my opinion and how I feel. AND if you read closely it did say what Maryville COULD do.. the only problem is within that same sentence it also expressed what Westminster CAN'T. SO in all actuallity I DID state what a SLIAC team CAN do.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 18, 2009, 02:42:54 PM
I just merely state the facts. I have some insight, but DO NOT have a know it all attitude, but if thats how you see my postings then so be it. I cant change how you view what i write. Misconception is a major problem on the internet since it does not express emotions, sarcasm being one of them. AND I dont look to offend and if thats how you take me saying to all of those who were so quick to defend look at the first week as offensive, well then its obvious you're not up with the 21st century.. I really do hope you dont watch FOX, or even CBS for that matter, you might get really offended.
In all seriousness though, im not here to offend anyone, espically someone with your knowledge and longevitiy bigpoppa, i just thought that i would point out the fact that Maryville swept Westminster. If you believe i went about that the wrong way, well I cant do anything to change that. Its just my opinion and how I feel. AND if you read closely it did say what Maryville COULD do.. the only problem is within that same sentence it also expressed what Westminster CAN'T. SO in all actuallity I DID state what a SLIAC team CAN do.
My issue was the way it came out... it certainly had a haughty undertone to it.
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 18, 2009, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 18, 2009, 02:42:54 PM
I just merely state the facts. I have some insight, but DO NOT have a know it all attitude, but if thats how you see my postings then so be it. I cant change how you view what i write. Misconception is a major problem on the internet since it does not express emotions, sarcasm being one of them. AND I dont look to offend and if thats how you take me saying to all of those who were so quick to defend look at the first week as offensive, well then its obvious you're not up with the 21st century.. I really do hope you dont watch FOX, or even CBS for that matter, you might get really offended.
In all seriousness though, im not here to offend anyone, espically someone with your knowledge and longevitiy bigpoppa, i just thought that i would point out the fact that Maryville swept Westminster. If you believe i went about that the wrong way, well I cant do anything to change that. Its just my opinion and how I feel. AND if you read closely it did say what Maryville COULD do.. the only problem is within that same sentence it also expressed what Westminster CAN'T. SO in all actuallity I DID state what a SLIAC team CAN do.
My issue was the way it came out... it certainly had a haughty undertone to it.
There was no haughty undertone at all. Its like I said a misconception caused by the world wide web.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 18, 2009, 09:31:49 AM
I guess that Maryville was the only team that turned one in this week then?
I don't even check it out. Once last season a pitcher was one out from a no hitter ultimately it was a one hit shut out and he didn't get the nod over a five inning start giving up three runs. It was then that I had the conversation and he told me he was unaware of the one hitter.
Here are the Eureka vs Mac stats:
Game 1:
Eureka's Offensive stats:
Moore, Keith cf 1-3 1 RBI 2 BB 1 R
Cashdollar, Benji rf 0-3 1 BB
Eeten, Nick lf 3-4 HR 4 RBI 2 R
Wagner, Mike dh 1-4 1 R
Knoblauch, Nick c 2-4 2 2B 1 RBI 1 R
Koerner, Kyle ss 2-4 2 2B 1 RBI 1 R
Songer, Shawn 3b 1-4 1 R
Glaub, Tyler 2b 0-3
Cashdollar, Tim 1b 3-4 2 R
Mac's Offensive stats:
Sellers, Mikie lf 2-4 2B 1 RBI 2 R
Schindler, Scott 2b 0-2 1 BB
Missey, Jordan 3b 0-2 1 BB
Bourne, Caleb 3b 1-1 2 RBI
Lowe, Jamison rf 0-4 1 RBI
Backstein, James c 0-4
Schmidt, Nick dh 0-3
Kay, Marcus dh 0-1
Cantrel, Curtis 1b 1-4
Forthenberry, Avion cf 1-3 2 R
Butler, Joe ss 2-3 2B 1 RBI 2 R
Game 2:
Eureka's Offensive stats:
Moore, Keith cf 3-4 HR 2 RBI 1 BB 2 R
Glaub, Tyler 2b 1-4 1 R
Eeten, Nick rf 2-4 2B 1 RBI 1 R
Wagner, Mike dh 1-3 2 RBI
Knoblauch, Nick c 2-4 2 HR 2 RBI 2 R
Koerner, Kyle ss 4-4 2B 2 R
Songer, Shawn 3b 2-4 2B 1 RBI 1 R
Fravell, Justin lf 1-4 2 RBI
Cashdollar, Tim 1b 0-3 1 BB 1 R
Mac's Offensive stats:
Sellers, Mikie lf 4-5 3 2B 1 RBI 3 R
Forthenberry, Avion cf 0-3
Missey, Jordan 3b 1-1 HR 2 RBI
Bourne, Caleb 3b/cf 2-4 2 R
Lowe, Jamison rf 3-4 2B 4 RBI 1 R
Backstein, James dh 1-4 1 R
Cantrel, Curtis 1b 2-3 HR 2 RBI 2 R
Katterhenry, Tyler c 2-3 1 RBI
Baxter, Dante 2b 0-2
Helmerichs, Ryan 2b 1-2 1 RBI 1 R
Butler, Joe ss 1-3
Sellers looks like a good leadoff man.
Monday, March 16th - Wisconsin Stevens Point (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 8-2
Game 2: Lost 13-3
Tuesday, March 17th - Franklin & Marshall (DH) 9:30A @ Lake Myrtle Main (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 10-3
Game 2: Lost 9-0
Tuesday, March 17th - JV vs. Fontbonne JV 1:00P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Cancelled
Thursday, March 19th - Millikin (DH) 9:45A @Chain Lakes #2 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 18-7
Game 2: Won 8-4
Friday, March 20th - Edgewood (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #3 (Auburndale)
Saturday, March 21st - St. Norbert 10:00A @ Chain Lakes #4 (Winter Haven)
Brief preview and Game Notes for the Webster vs Westminster series are available .... CLICK HERE (http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/3/19/BB_0319090455.aspx)
It is going to be interesting to see the standings after this week end. There are several key match ups. Who cares about NCAA basketball when you have sliac baseball?
Mac beat St. Louis Christian yesterday but they lost Sellers in the process. He was sliding into home and hurt his ankle very seriously left the game in the 3rd inning. As of right now he is out indefinitely.
Thats rediculous. St. Louis Christian always has a terrible program. This should have been an expierence for the younger players and let the regulars play only a couple of innings. I honestly dont think they should have put the kid in that situation in the first place. Most conference teams start this weekend and losing Sellers is going to HURT MAC. Thats a pricetag that im just not willing to pay. To bad Mac didnt feel the same way. on the other hand some other guys for mac are going to have to step up to continue their good start. In all honesty though, i think this is a HUGE hit for the Highlanders.
webster picked up a big win today against westminster. corey shaeffer hit 2 home runs for the gorloks and webster only scored 1 of their 8 runs off of a non home run. GCS stadium continues to not only be a left handed hitters park, but a righties park as well. 2 of the home runs were hit to rightfield by right handed hitters. the only home run that would get out at any other park would be shaeffers bomb to leftfield. he hit it about 400 feet. the other 3 home runs were probably between 305-315. the one that little hit was a line drive that barely cleared the wall. it must be nice to have your home field at a minor league park, which encourages home runs for entertainment to the fans.
Webster may have lost catcher John Combs for a while... he attempted to throw a runner out, and when he threw, hit his arm into the batter and went down in pain right away. I heard be may of dislocated his shoulder. who knows how long he will be done for. could be costly to the gorloks, HOWEVER, shaeffer looked great catching tonight. his arm looked good on throws to second and he never really seemed out of place behind the dish.
i said coming into the season that westminster is going to be one of the top teams, but after watching them play tonight I am starting to second guess myself. they seemed like they didnt care and didnt seem to play with any fire. the way fontbonne is playing, they definitely have a reason to contend for the top spots.
News from the Ville:
Blackburn will play Eureka at home Saturday in a 1pm DH. Then travel Sunday for a nine inning tilt. Also, catcher Zach Wilhelmi is out for the season (knee). Eilerman goes game 1. Ward game 2. Ozee game 3.
Maryville split with MACMURRAY??????!!!!?? I saw Maryville play Westminster and they looked like they are the team to beat in the SLIAC this year, but splitting with MacMurray, whoa... anybody know what happened?
Yea Mac jumped on Murfin early with a 3 run HR from their catcher Backstein. Also, their team came to play. Without Sellers in the lineup they didn't want to lose any ground. Looks like the SLIAC race is wide open. Just because Maryville lost to Mac doesn't mean anything good teams lose all the time and how does anybody know Mac isn't a decent team. Just because last year they were terrible doesn't mean a thing. On another note Westminster is 0-6 in the conference wow who would have thought that.
I must say that Westminster's record is a lil bit deceiving ... Opening up with Maryville and Webster isn't the easiest road ...Plus, they could have very easily taken 2 of 3 from the Gorloks.
Alright, lets break down this descrepency between the westminster start and Mac start.
First obvious point, they have BOTH played Maryville. At this point mac is 1-1 vs. Maryville so even if they lose the makeup game.. they played better against Maryville than westminster did. Maryville outscored westmin 36-9. they are outscoring Mac 21-11 BUT Mac did take one of those games like stated before.
Second point is, Macmurray is proving themselves. Common defense for westmin would say, well they just played the top two teams. BUT THE POINT IS they were pre-season 3rd, and didnt take a single game from the top two, when pre-season last place Mac took one the 2nd ranked and 4th ranked teams in the conference.
SO what it boils down to. Mac is playing much better than westmin in this early conference season there is no doubt about that. BUT no excuses for any team. If you play the top two teams and go 0-6 you dont deserve to be number 3.
The upcoming games for both of these teams will be the true test. Both teams play fontbonne (preseason 5th) and then Mac plays Principia. After that Mac and Westmin face one another. I guess that will be the true test for westmin, because the way they are playing, its possible for them to go into their games against mac 0-9 or maybe 1-8
Monday, March 16th - Wisconsin Stevens Point (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 8-2
Game 2: Lost 13-3
Tuesday, March 17th - Franklin & Marshall (DH) 9:30A @ Lake Myrtle Main (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 10-3
Game 2: Lost 9-0
Tuesday, March 17th - JV vs. Fontbonne JV 1:00P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Cancelled
Thursday, March 19th - Millikin (DH) 9:45A @Chain Lakes #2 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 18-7
Game 2: Won 8-4
Friday, March 20th - Edgewood (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #3 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 7-6
Game 2: Lost 5-3
Saturday, March 21st - St. Norbert 10:00A @ Chain Lakes #4 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 3-2 (10 Innings)
We continue to beat ourselves with poor defense. In the 1-8 Florida trip we had a total of 36 errors. Of the 77 runs we gave up in the 9 games, 33 were unearned. Hopefully what happened in Florida, stays in Florida as we prepare to start conference play this weekend against Webster.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 23, 2009, 10:28:40 AM
Monday, March 16th - Wisconsin Stevens Point (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 8-2
Game 2: Lost 13-3
Tuesday, March 17th - Franklin & Marshall (DH) 9:30A @ Lake Myrtle Main (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 10-3
Game 2: Lost 9-0
Tuesday, March 17th - JV vs. Fontbonne JV 1:00P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Cancelled
Thursday, March 19th - Millikin (DH) 9:45A @Chain Lakes #2 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 18-7
Game 2: Won 8-4
Friday, March 20th - Edgewood (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #3 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 7-6
Game 2: Lost 5-3
Saturday, March 21st - St. Norbert 10:00A @ Chain Lakes #4 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 3-2 (10 Innings)
We continue to beat ourselves with poor defense. In the 1-8 Florida trip we had a total of 36 errors. Of the 77 runs we gave up in the 9 games, 33 were unearned. Hopefully what happened in Florida, stays in Florida as we prepare to start conference play this weekend against Webster.
After a rough spring break, coming home to play Webster could be a tough way to start conference, hopefully those guys keep their heads in it and play ball. Because Webster is a good team and weather they play good or bad against them there are 18 more conference games after that series that and that is a really good thing for them to focus on. But BEAT WEBSTER!
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After a rough spring break, coming home to play Webster could be a tough way to start conference, hopefully those guys keep their heads in it and play ball. Because Webster is a good team and weather they play good or bad against them there are 18 more conference games after that series that and that is a really good thing for them to focus on. But BEAT WEBSTER!
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When I first looked at the schedule, I thought it might be a good thing to play Webster early before they were hitting on all cylinders (and they have had their troubles early), but we had better play much improved baseball over what we have been doing so far to have a chance.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 23, 2009, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 23, 2009, 10:28:40 AM
Monday, March 16th - Wisconsin Stevens Point (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 8-2
Game 2: Lost 13-3
Tuesday, March 17th - Franklin & Marshall (DH) 9:30A @ Lake Myrtle Main (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 10-3
Game 2: Lost 9-0
Tuesday, March 17th - JV vs. Fontbonne JV 1:00P @ Lake Myrtle #4 (Auburndale)
Cancelled
Thursday, March 19th - Millikin (DH) 9:45A @Chain Lakes #2 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 18-7
Game 2: Won 8-4
Friday, March 20th - Edgewood (DH) 2:30P @ Lake Myrtle #3 (Auburndale)
Game 1: Lost 7-6
Game 2: Lost 5-3
Saturday, March 21st - St. Norbert 10:00A @ Chain Lakes #4 (Winter Haven)
Game 1: Lost 3-2 (10 Innings)
We continue to beat ourselves with poor defense. In the 1-8 Florida trip we had a total of 36 errors. Of the 77 runs we gave up in the 9 games, 33 were unearned. Hopefully what happened in Florida, stays in Florida as we prepare to start conference play this weekend against Webster.
After a rough spring break, coming home to play Webster could be a tough way to start conference, hopefully those guys keep their heads in it and play ball. Because Webster is a good team and weather they play good or bad against them there are 18 more conference games after that series that and that is a really good thing for them to focus on. But BEAT WEBSTER!
Wow...theoneandonly is showing his true colors now. Just change your name to "#1 Saints Fan" or maybe "IloveBoBunton".
Quote from: JAdaPrince on March 23, 2009, 06:16:35 AM
I must say that Westminster's record is a lil bit deceiving ... Opening up with Maryville and Webster isn't the easiest road ...Plus, they could have very easily taken 2 of 3 from the Gorloks.
Clearly Westminster blew the final game of the series, but I'm trying to figure out which other game they could have "very easily" won?
Sounds like a "homer"
Very easily have won...? Probably but definitely lost! Just wait until WU starts playing like they can. It won't be a contest.
my friends, so much hate, I have my favorite teams but am currently praising those who are earning it. I am not from st. louis and did not attend maryville. I also dont have any favorite players. Look at the kids stats thats why i was giving him so much attention. In all honesty we are looking to knock on each other rather than talk about the sliac. I too am guilty of it sometimes. HOWEVER if we look to focus on baseball here we can probably get some positive talk out of this slander board. anyway, as most people have noticed. Fontbonne is off to quite a hot start and truthfully i believe they are going to be in that top 4 at the end of the season. Horn was off to a slow start but quite a few players were including a few on the webster side which is different. Horn has however started to swing it and always plays stellar defense. To be honest he will probably easily take all conference behind the plate. Also Scott Ward at Blackburn looks to have started very very slow posting a 7.00+ era. On a side note however, Macmurray has charged out of the gates in the conference games and Eureka seems to be playing pretty mediocre... AND, Mckonecky of Eureka seems to have that breaking ball working again, like last year, because he struck out quite a few batters in route to his victory over Blackburn.
I would also like to let this be known.
SO FAR in the past 6 months i have been accused of being a "homer" for the following schools. In no particular order.
Greenville
Illinois Weslyan
Maryville
Blackburn
North Park
Hendrix
and Millikin
Looks like i have a pretty messy transcript to work off of. Man i didnt know someone could transfer that much.
You are homer for every team. Looks like tough sledding for some good players early. I hope every team gets it together.
Wartburg, searching for clarification ... who are you referring to when using the term "homer" ...
And for reference ... Westminster jumped out to a 3-0 lead in the opener of the series. I am not saying they should have won it, all I am saying they had leads in two of the three games.
Well if the game could be won in the first inning this could come in handy. I agree, West Min showed signs of being able to hit the ball. But without pitching and defense that can close a game, it will be a rough season. Webster is just now beggining to hit the ball as a team. I think once they put it together as a TEAM, they will be very tough to pitch around. Losing the first string catcher may be a tough defensive loss for them.
Where did this Mac team come from?! Last year I had the chance to watch them, and was very very unimpressed. Coach must have had a great recruiting class? ?Could shake things up this year
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 23, 2009, 12:56:55 PM
my friends, so much hate, I have my favorite teams but am currently praising those who are earning it. I am not from st. louis and did not attend maryville. I also dont have any favorite players. Look at the kids stats thats why i was giving him so much attention. In all honesty we are looking to knock on each other rather than talk about the sliac. I too am guilty of it sometimes. HOWEVER if we look to focus on baseball here we can probably get some positive talk out of this slander board. anyway, as most people have noticed. Fontbonne is off to quite a hot start and truthfully i believe they are going to be in that top 4 at the end of the season. Horn was off to a slow start but quite a few players were including a few on the webster side which is different. Horn has however started to swing it and always plays stellar defense. To be honest he will probably easily take all conference behind the plate. Also Scott Ward at Blackburn looks to have started very very slow posting a 7.00+ era. On a side note however, Macmurray has charged out of the gates in the conference games and Eureka seems to be playing pretty mediocre... AND, Mckonecky of Eureka seems to have that breaking ball working again, like last year, because he struck out quite a few batters in route to his victory over Blackburn.
I dont see how we can be claiming who's going to "easily" take all conference this early in the season. Seems kind of rediculous to me. There are a couple catchers in the league that seem like they can take first team. I wont say Horn wont, he is a good player. But seems like its to easy to be giving out awards already.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on March 23, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
I dont see how we can be claiming who's going to "easily" take all conference this early in the season. Seems kind of rediculous to me. There are a couple catchers in the league that seem like they can take first team. I wont say Horn wont, he is a good player. But seems like its to easy to be giving out awards already.
I guess easily was the wrong wording to use there. BUT I do believe that Horn is one of, if not THE best catcher in the SLIAC. I am interested in who else you think has the possibility to be or is one of the other best in the SLIAC because in all honesty I dont think the SLIAC is very deep as far as catchers go.
Well i havent seen everyone play this year, only Webster and West Min so far. but from what i've seen, I would have said john combs from webster. but seeing as how he is injured, i would say even schaefer would put up a good fight. But i'll have to see more of the conference play.
well i will give it to you that Combs would have been in contention, however i dont really think schaefer is going to. Its only my opinion but I dont think Websters Back up catcher is going to out due some of the everyday catchers in the SLIAC. I just dont see that happening. Obviously we have about 25 more games to actually be able to tell anyway. haha. So what do you think about westmins slow start and Macs pretty decent start. And getting a win without Sellers?
Westmin's start is a surprise and so is Mac's but we will have to see what continues to happen throughout the conference season. Mac won without Sellers but how much of an impact is he to his team exactly? Matter of fact what player impacts their team the most and why?
Any predictions for the conference games on Wednesday?
Blackburn @ Fontbonne in a DH
Mac @ Eureka in a 9 inning game
Quote from: ready2win on March 24, 2009, 01:26:09 PM
Any predictions for the conference games on Wednesday?
Blackburn @ Fontbonne in a DH
Mac @ Eureka in a 9 inning game
Fontbonne and Blackburn will spilt
Mac pounds Eureka
I agree with Bigpoppa. I say Fontbonne will split with Blackburn... BUT the game that Blackburn wins will be close, VERY CLOSE, because they have a lack of middle and late releif. Cronin blew a save against Eureka just the other day. But blackburn put up a 7 spot in the 11th inning. And the way mac has been playing.. i expect them to put up some numbers against Eureka!
Quote from: JAdaPrince on March 23, 2009, 04:39:22 PM
Wartburg, searching for clarification ... who are you referring to when using the term "homer" ...
And for reference ... Westminster jumped out to a 3-0 lead in the opener of the series. I am not saying they should have won it, all I am saying they had leads in two of the three games.
First of all, you did say they could have "easily" taken 2 of 3. After a 3-0 lead, they proceeded to give up 4 home runs and had given up 8 runs by the 5th inning.
Second, do you feel that Radford could have "easily" beaten North Carolina in the NCAA tourney last week? Afterall, they did have a 2 point lead early in the game.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 24, 2009, 11:42:13 AM
well i will give it to you that Combs would have been in contention, however i dont really think schaefer is going to. Its only my opinion but I dont think Websters Back up catcher is going to out due some of the everyday catchers in the SLIAC. I just dont see that happening. Obviously we have about 25 more games to actually be able to tell anyway. haha. So what do you think about westmins slow start and Macs pretty decent start. And getting a win without Sellers?
Webster's back-up catcher was 1st team All-Conference Utility last year. This year he is hitting .377 with 10 Doubles, 3 HR's and 18 RBI's. If you don't "see that happening" in regard to him outperforming everyday SLIAC catchers, then you must be reviewing the stats with a blindfold on, because it is happening as we speak.
Webster Weekly Baseball Notes are now available .... Click Here (http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/3/24/BB_0324094522.aspx)
Bigtoughguy you are so hostile in your posts. Just a quick clairification and some stats was all that was needed. but thanks!
Quote from: BigPoppa on March 24, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: ready2win on March 24, 2009, 01:26:09 PM
Any predictions for the conference games on Wednesday?
Blackburn @ Fontbonne in a DH
Mac @ Eureka in a 9 inning game
Fontbonne and Blackburn will spilt
Mac pounds Eureka
Hard to pick. Blackburn needs at least a split. Not that the race is over this week but if they want to compete they need to start knocking off some sliac teams. Of course Fontebonne wants to get off to a good start. This early doubleheader could be telling and be the difference between a tourney bid and staying at home.
Looking at the Blackburn stats and talking to people at the games, against Eureka, it seems that errors and poor fielding are going to be an issue yet again this year. Several unrecorded errors (flyballs that should have been caught and unfinish double plays) doomed the team. Also a lot of true freshmen are geeting time including the catcher Wasson and the shortstop.
Eureka on the other hand had solid pitching and fielding throughout other than a couple of boots from their shortstop. They have a lot of potential. They could walk away with the win.
Seems as if the freshmen at blackburn are fitting in though. between wasson and the shortstop they have a combined 3 homeruns and 7 rbis. Not big numbers, but they are contributing. The shortstops name is kittell and from what i hear he just got off a suspension for unknown reasons. While both freshmen have relatively low batting averages, kittell has one heck of a glove and wasson is doing his part. The big downfall of Wasson is he cannot throw out runners. At this point he has thrown out 1 runner out of 11 steals. That is a big change for blackburn since the last 6-8 years they have had a catcher with a strong arm. As for eureka, they are putting the ball in play and hitting it hard which is a huge plus for them. As long as they continue to do that, they will be in the topof the SLIAC this year, BUT the MUST continue to do this!
The game scheduled for 2:00 Friday, March 27th at Greenville vs. Webster has been moved to tomorrow (Thursday, March 26th) 2:00 at Greenville.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 25, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Seems as if the freshmen at blackburn are fitting in though. between wasson and the shortstop they have a combined 3 homeruns and 7 rbis. Not big numbers, but they are contributing. The shortstops name is kittell and from what i hear he just got off a suspension for unknown reasons. While both freshmen have relatively low batting averages, kittell has one heck of a glove and wasson is doing his part. The big downfall of Wasson is he cannot throw out runners. At this point he has thrown out 1 runner out of 11 steals. That is a big change for blackburn since the last 6-8 years they have had a catcher with a strong arm. As for eureka, they are putting the ball in play and hitting it hard which is a huge plus for them. As long as they continue to do that, they will be in the topof the SLIAC this year, BUT the MUST continue to do this!
I've seen Wasson. Good player probably just a bit overwhelmed. It is not his arm unless he has changed it is his foot work.
The Burn and Font got the split. Eureka got the win.
Quote from: VideoDawg on March 26, 2009, 12:13:36 AM
The Burn and Font got the split. Eureka got the win.
Wasson has a good arm. dont get me wrong, but the delievery time from the pitchers and the lack of footwork and recieving has put a small damper on his caught stealing stat.... And yes Blackburn and Fontbonne split last night. And Kittell hit two more home runs running his total to 4.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 25, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Seems as if the freshmen at blackburn are fitting in though. between wasson and the shortstop they have a combined 3 homeruns and 7 rbis. Not big numbers, but they are contributing. The shortstops name is kittell and from what i hear he just got off a suspension for unknown reasons. While both freshmen have relatively low batting averages, kittell has one heck of a glove and wasson is doing his part. The big downfall of Wasson is he cannot throw out runners. At this point he has thrown out 1 runner out of 11 steals. That is a big change for blackburn since the last 6-8 years they have had a catcher with a strong arm. As for eureka, they are putting the ball in play and hitting it hard which is a huge plus for them. As long as they continue to do that, they will be in the topof the SLIAC this year, BUT the MUST continue to do this!
Wasson is consistantly throwing a 2.00 and under pop time. He had two or three runners thrown at at Fontbonne last night and in crucial situations. In the bottom of the 10th, Fontbonne gets a runner on 1st with one out. They try to take second and Wasson got him before he was even 15 ft. to the base. The runner didn't even slide. His pitchers need to work more on their mechanics with runners on. There is a limited amount of slide stepping and hitch stepping with pitchers which gives runners a huge jump. Good win for Blackburn. Lets see if they can string some wins together this weekend against Prin.
Quote from: jp13 on March 26, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 25, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Seems as if the freshmen at blackburn are fitting in though. between wasson and the shortstop they have a combined 3 homeruns and 7 rbis. Not big numbers, but they are contributing. The shortstops name is kittell and from what i hear he just got off a suspension for unknown reasons. While both freshmen have relatively low batting averages, kittell has one heck of a glove and wasson is doing his part. The big downfall of Wasson is he cannot throw out runners. At this point he has thrown out 1 runner out of 11 steals. That is a big change for blackburn since the last 6-8 years they have had a catcher with a strong arm. As for eureka, they are putting the ball in play and hitting it hard which is a huge plus for them. As long as they continue to do that, they will be in the topof the SLIAC this year, BUT the MUST continue to do this!
Wasson is consistantly throwing a 2.00 and under pop time. He had two or three runners thrown at at Fontbonne last night and in crucial situations. In the bottom of the 10th, Fontbonne gets a runner on 1st with one out. They try to take second and Wasson got him before he was even 15 ft. to the base. The runner didn't even slide. His pitchers need to work more on their mechanics with runners on. There is a limited amount of slide stepping and hitch stepping with pitchers which gives runners a huge jump. Good win for Blackburn. Lets see if they can string some wins together this weekend against Prin.
Looks like Font was reading the stats instead of the stop watch.
Webster 241 000 060 13 18 2
Greenville 200 500 000 7 8 4
WP – Stanley (2-1)
LP – Place (1-2)
HR Atkins (2)
We're doing it again! Tomorrow's scheduled DH @ GCS Ballpark between Webster and Greenville has been moved to tonight starting @ 5:00P. Trying to skirt around the weather :-\
Personally I think every single one of you are crazy... First of all, Shaefer is better than Horn, and he's the flippin backup... BTW, lets concentrate on Blackburns catcher. He threw out two runners in big situations in Wednesday's affair... Although Horn threw out two stealers in the 11th, he failed to throw out the third and that cost the Griffins... Rubber match coming soon...
i agree with what most are saying about wasson. Ive seen him play a couple of times and his arm looks plenty strong. He has definatly kept up the tradition at the burn. Also, his footwork looked fine to me as well. It just seems that maybe a few runners got a good jump a time or two, big deal, the season is early. AND you cannot name me one catcher that has thrown out every runner. end of story!
It seems to me that everyone is arguing over something slightly pointless. Wasson is obviously pretty good defensively, as is Horn. But it seems like the sliac only has 1 or 2 catchers able to get it done at the plate and behind the plate. Not trying to knock anyone, just how it appears to me.
Quote from: jp13 on March 26, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
Wasson is consistantly throwing a 2.00 and under pop time. He had two or three runners thrown at at Fontbonne last night and in crucial situations. In the bottom of the 10th, Fontbonne gets a runner on 1st with one out. They try to take second and Wasson got him before he was even 15 ft. to the base. The runner didn't even slide. His pitchers need to work more on their mechanics with runners on. There is a limited amount of slide stepping and hitch stepping with pitchers which gives runners a huge jump. Good win for Blackburn. Lets see if they can string some wins together this weekend against Prin.
Jp13.. Might you be jon paul wasson himself!??! Why yes, yes it is. But I can tell you JON that your coach does NOT record pop times. SO if you think that you have a 2.00 and under pop time well so be it, but I can tell you that is not true.Since most division I and Major league catchers pop times are between 1.85-2.00 I highly doubt thats your pop time. Who knows though maybe you're a darkhorse and are going to get drafted out of Blackburn. You may not want to tear down your pitchers either, because im sure some of them read this. But in all seriousness jon you dont need to come on here to defend yourself. As you can see there were quite a few people in your defense. So let your playing do the talking not your keyboard. Leave that to us.
Quote from: thenatural13 on March 29, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
i agree with what most are saying about wasson. Ive seen him play a couple of times and his arm looks plenty strong. He has definatly kept up the tradition at the burn. Also, his footwork looked fine to me as well. It just seems that maybe a few runners got a good jump a time or two, big deal, the season is early. AND you cannot name me one catcher that has thrown out every runner. end of story!
He used to hop to his left, off the "t" and tended to be out front on his throws. Maybe he righted the ship. For a freshman he is doing great.
Quote from: thenatural13 on March 29, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
i agree with what most are saying about wasson. Ive seen him play a couple of times and his arm looks plenty strong. He has definatly kept up the tradition at the burn. Also, his footwork looked fine to me as well. It just seems that maybe a few runners got a good jump a time or two, big deal, the season is early. AND you cannot name me one catcher that has thrown out every runner. end of story!
Last thing i'll say on this subject. Batting .208 and striking out 11 of the first 24 at bats isn't doing much to earn respect in any league. With hitting stats like that you might have to throw out every runner if you're not wanting to be replaced real quick. Add to that the 9 passed balls and the what 12 stolen bases against? Doesn't look like he's getting much respect for his defense either. Can't argue statistics people. Until he proves himself who cares what his footwork looks like, or his arm strength. So how about we put this pointless subject to rest until we are given something to talk about.
In other news, if it ever stops raining, Blackburn will be playing Webster today at GCS Ballpark in Sauget. So hope to see a lot of people out at that game!
I may find myself watching a little baseball if it clears off. Can anyone stop Webster? That is looking like the question.
Doesnt look that way yet. Webster takes two with little trouble. Blackburn did show some signs of fight in the first game, but the quickly went away after webster took the lead. Looks like Webster is finding its stroke out there.
I was at the game. Unfortunately for Blackburn it is going to be a long season unless the defense can improve. The first game was a real tragedy for Ward, starting pitcher. He had good stuff got 6 strikeouts in 6 innings, gave up five hits (that I saw anyway) but still allowed 9 runs.
Just a few low lights, pop foul dropped, a give me double play kicked like a soccer ball, the right fielder fell down while fielding a routine fly and the ball hit him, of course he failed to catch it. And to top it off the center fielder came charging in on a hit to center, and he was still coming in as it passed over his head.
He has to be the absolute worst outfielder in the sliac. You know the old joke about why Cinderella ddn't make the baseball team? She ran away from the ball. That was the Blackburn center fielder tonight. Not only that but he was dogging it on every ball hit to him. He had a shot on a play at home but didn't even make the attempt. I don't know his name but he will never get it mentioned as player of the week, unless its April Fools Day.
The above is just the short list of poor defense. Bad throws, mishandled the balls, throwing to the wrong base and lack of hustle cost Blackburn the game. Unfortunately I think only two errors where awarded.
Ward's ERA is going to be double digit as a result of the poor play behind him. Too bad for him, too bad for Coach Neal, too bad for the fans they all deserved better.
The real shame is that kids in third world countries could have used the leather wasted on gloves at Blackburn for shoes.
With a good defense (not a great one) Ward would have given up 1 or 2 runs and Blackburn would have won. No kidding.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 01, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
I was at the game. Unfortunately for Blackburn it is going to be a long season unless the defense can improve. The first game was a real tragedy for Ward, starting pitcher. He had good stuff got 6 strikeouts in 6 innings, gave up five hits (that I saw anyway) but still allowed 9 runs.
Just a few low lights, pop foul dropped, a give me double play kicked like a soccer ball, the right fielder fell down while fielding a routine fly and the ball hit him, of course he failed to catch it. And to top it off the center fielder came charging in on a hit to center, and he was still coming in as it passed over his head.
He has to be the absolute worst outfielder in the sliac. You know the old joke about why Cinderella ddn't make the baseball team? She ran away from the ball. That was the Blackburn center fielder tonight. Not only that but he was dogging it on every ball hit to him. He had a shot on a play at home but didn't even make the attempt. I don't know his name but he will never get it mentioned as player of the week, unless its April Fools Day.
The above is just the short list of poor defense. Bad throws, mishandled the balls, throwing to the wrong base and lack of hustle cost Blackburn the game. Unfortunately I think only two errors where awarded.
Ward's ERA is going to be double digit as a result of the poor play behind him. Too bad for him, too bad for Coach Neal, too bad for the fans they all deserved better.
The real shame is that kids in third world countries could have used the leather wasted on gloves at Blackburn for shoes.
With a good defense (not a great one) Ward would have given up 1 or 2 runs and Blackburn would have won. No kidding.
I consistantly get ripped for posting rude comments and/or dogging on a certain player. You have comepletely surpassed that Videodawg. This comment is pretty rediculous. Although this is a board to post freely how you feel, you should take into consideration that players do read these boards and tearing them apart is not necessary. Even though everyone appreciates writing on these boards and reading them, you still have to realize there is more than just a few people reading these. so i can offically say this was a stupid post on your part.
"I consistantly get ripped for posting rude comments and/or dogging on a certain player. You have comepletely surpassed that Videodawg. This comment is pretty rediculous. Although this is a board to post freely how you feel, you should take into consideration that players do read these boards and tearing them apart is not necessary. Even though everyone appreciates writing on these boards and reading them, you still have to realize there is more than just a few people reading these. so i can offically say this was a stupid post on your part."
I thought I would take your heat for a while. ;D
First of all the comments made are completely true and not ridiculous. Second I have been to more games than I can count at all levels and I have never seen such a poor display of fielding ability. Blackburn has a very good coach and some real talent at some positions but if they don't find an outfield and replace some infielders they are going to sink like a stone. Of course this game could have been an aberration. I hope they play better in the future.
I guess on this post I should be considered the "Simon" of the sliac. Sometimes the truth hurts but someone has to say it. If the players read this I hope it makes them mad and they vow to get better, work harder and play at a higher level.
I will catch another Blackburn game in two weeks I hope I can write a better opinion and eat my words I would love nothing more than to have the Beavers get all over me by proving me wrong.
this...
Blackburn has a very good coach and some real talent at some positions but if they don't find an outfield and replace some infielders they are going to sink like a stone. Of course this game could have been an aberration. I hope they play better in the future.
...would have been a more appropriate post.
but thanks for taking the heat off.. HAH!
Thank you for your input. These are just kids and I will keep that in mind in the future.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 01, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
I was at the game. Unfortunately for Blackburn it is going to be a long season unless the defense can improve. The first game was a real tragedy for Ward, starting pitcher. He had good stuff got 6 strikeouts in 6 innings, gave up five hits (that I saw anyway) but still allowed 9 runs.
Just a few low lights, pop foul dropped, a give me double play kicked like a soccer ball, the right fielder fell down while fielding a routine fly and the ball hit him, of course he failed to catch it. And to top it off the center fielder came charging in on a hit to center, and he was still coming in as it passed over his head.
He has to be the absolute worst outfielder in the sliac. You know the old joke about why Cinderella ddn't make the baseball team? She ran away from the ball. That was the Blackburn center fielder tonight. Not only that but he was dogging it on every ball hit to him. He had a shot on a play at home but didn't even make the attempt. I don't know his name but he will never get it mentioned as player of the week, unless its April Fools Day.
The above is just the short list of poor defense. Bad throws, mishandled the balls, throwing to the wrong base and lack of hustle cost Blackburn the game. Unfortunately I think only two errors where awarded.
Ward's ERA is going to be double digit as a result of the poor play behind him. Too bad for him, too bad for Coach Neal, too bad for the fans they all deserved better.
The real shame is that kids in third world countries could have used the leather wasted on gloves at Blackburn for shoes.
With a good defense (not a great one) Ward would have given up 1 or 2 runs and Blackburn would have won. No kidding.
I also made it to this game and did not think for a second that the blackburn pitching itself was enough to hold off Webster's offence. Defence aside it was not going to happen. Blame it on errors all you want but Blackburn just does not have enough to take down Webster. On a sidenote, this post is absolutely terrible. Calling out specific players is not only uncalled for it is just plain despicable. Grow up and learn to be upset without being completely ruthless. The playing conditions were terrible for one, this contributed to some misplayed balls on both sides. Calling out specific players from blackburn does not make them look bad, it makes you look terrible for being imature enough to write something that terrible.
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Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 02, 2009, 03:02:14 AM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 01, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
I was at the game. Unfortunately for Blackburn it is going to be a long season unless the defense can improve. The first game was a real tragedy for Ward, starting pitcher. He had good stuff got 6 strikeouts in 6 innings, gave up five hits (that I saw anyway) but still allowed 9 runs.
Just a few low lights, pop foul dropped, a give me double play kicked like a soccer ball, the right fielder fell down while fielding a routine fly and the ball hit him, of course he failed to catch it. And to top it off the center fielder came charging in on a hit to center, and he was still coming in as it passed over his head.
He has to be the absolute worst outfielder in the sliac. You know the old joke about why Cinderella ddn't make the baseball team? She ran away from the ball. That was the Blackburn center fielder tonight. Not only that but he was dogging it on every ball hit to him. He had a shot on a play at home but didn't even make the attempt. I don't know his name but he will never get it mentioned as player of the week, unless its April Fools Day.
The above is just the short list of poor defense. Bad throws, mishandled the balls, throwing to the wrong base and lack of hustle cost Blackburn the game. Unfortunately I think only two errors where awarded.
Ward's ERA is going to be double digit as a result of the poor play behind him. Too bad for him, too bad for Coach Neal, too bad for the fans they all deserved better.
The real shame is that kids in third world countries could have used the leather wasted on gloves at Blackburn for shoes.
With a good defense (not a great one) Ward would have given up 1 or 2 runs and Blackburn would have won. No kidding.
I also made it to this game and did not think for a second that the blackburn pitching itself was enough to hold off Webster's offence. Defence aside it was not going to happen. Blame it on errors all you want but Blackburn just does not have enough to take down Webster. On a sidenote, this post is absolutely terrible. Calling out specific players is not only uncalled for it is just plain despicable. Grow up and learn to be upset without being completely ruthless. The playing conditions were terrible for one, this contributed to some misplayed balls on both sides. Calling out specific players from blackburn does not make them look bad, it makes you look terrible for being imature enough to write something that terrible.
First of all I have said I will watch the personal comments in the future and did recognize that I was too hard on Blackburn. Secondly no one had a problem when I broke down all the pitching in the whole conference preseason, naming names warts and all.
Lastly, I doubt you were at the game or you need to up your eye glass prescription. 8 of Webster's 9 Runs came in two innings when
all of the misplays I described took place plus others I did not mention. The fifth inning had the blown "give me" double play plus many others and the third inning had the dropped pop foul (with two outs) and the unrecorded error (when the right fielder slipped and the ball hit him but he didn't catch it). Not to mention many more.
Take away the poor defense in those innings and Webster loses 1 or 2 to 5. The Blackburn pitcher faced the minimum batters in the 1st, the 2nd, the 4th and Webster earned 1 run in the 6th. None of those innings had poor defense.
Two innings of poor defense doomed Blackburn nothing more.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 02, 2009, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 02, 2009, 03:02:14 AM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 01, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
I was at the game. Unfortunately for Blackburn it is going to be a long season unless the defense can improve. The first game was a real tragedy for Ward, starting pitcher. He had good stuff got 6 strikeouts in 6 innings, gave up five hits (that I saw anyway) but still allowed 9 runs.
Just a few low lights, pop foul dropped, a give me double play kicked like a soccer ball, the right fielder fell down while fielding a routine fly and the ball hit him, of course he failed to catch it. And to top it off the center fielder came charging in on a hit to center, and he was still coming in as it passed over his head.
He has to be the absolute worst outfielder in the sliac. You know the old joke about why Cinderella ddn't make the baseball team? She ran away from the ball. That was the Blackburn center fielder tonight. Not only that but he was dogging it on every ball hit to him. He had a shot on a play at home but didn't even make the attempt. I don't know his name but he will never get it mentioned as player of the week, unless its April Fools Day.
The above is just the short list of poor defense. Bad throws, mishandled the balls, throwing to the wrong base and lack of hustle cost Blackburn the game. Unfortunately I think only two errors where awarded.
Ward's ERA is going to be double digit as a result of the poor play behind him. Too bad for him, too bad for Coach Neal, too bad for the fans they all deserved better.
The real shame is that kids in third world countries could have used the leather wasted on gloves at Blackburn for shoes.
With a good defense (not a great one) Ward would have given up 1 or 2 runs and Blackburn would have won. No kidding.
I also made it to this game and did not think for a second that the blackburn pitching itself was enough to hold off Webster's offence. Defence aside it was not going to happen. Blame it on errors all you want but Blackburn just does not have enough to take down Webster. On a sidenote, this post is absolutely terrible. Calling out specific players is not only uncalled for it is just plain despicable. Grow up and learn to be upset without being completely ruthless. The playing conditions were terrible for one, this contributed to some misplayed balls on both sides. Calling out specific players from blackburn does not make them look bad, it makes you look terrible for being imature enough to write something that terrible.
First of all I have said I will watch the personal comments in the future and did recognize that I was too hard on Blackburn. Secondly no one had a problem when I broke down all the pitching in the whole conference preseason, naming names warts and all.
Lastly, I doubt you were at the game or you need to up your eye glass prescription. 8 of Webster's 9 Runs came in two innings when all of the misplays I described took place plus others I did not mention. The fifth inning had the blown "give me" double play plus many others and the third inning had the dropped pop foul (with two outs) and the unrecorded error (when the right fielder slipped and the ball hit him but he didn't catch it). Not to mention many more.
Take away the poor defense in those innings and Webster loses 1 or 2 to 5. The Blackburn pitcher faced the minimum batters in the 1st, the 2nd, the 4th and Webster earned 1 run in the 6th. None of those innings had poor defense.
Two innings of poor defense doomed Blackburn nothing more.
I mean sure it's easy to call it from one point of view. Lets act like Websters defence was sharp as well. If you were there you would have seen errors on both sides, and having an inch of standing water in the outfield doesn't make for great stopping. Webster had a few bad innings pitching wise and defensively that got them under early, which is the only reason Blackburn had a chance in the first game. This would have been made clear if you would have been there for the second game. Which if you saw was a 10 RUN GAME. I love it, lets keep looking at the if's and but's and nitpick college kids. Or we could chalk it up to a Webster team that has already come from behind before and leave it at that.
VideoDawg, Just so were clear. The ball did not hit the right fielder. perhaps YOU werent there. I was on the other hand. The outfielder slipped on the wet surface and the ball went down about 15-20 feet away from him. You are really digging a hole. lets try to find something positive to talk about. Anyone got anything.. ANYTHING AT ALL!?
From Boyd's World.... Bottom ranked programs in d3 baseball based on their power rankings. Teams in bold are Central region teams.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html (//http://://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html)
181 84.1 4 15 7 16 123 Eastern Mennonite
182 83.1 4 10 5 15 169 Emory and Henry
183 82.2 3 13 3 15 132 Whitman
184 81.9 3 16 4 17 110 Whitworth
185 81.8 5 11 7 11 182 Scranton
186 81.1 3 7 4 7 183 Elms
187 81.0 5 5 9 7 200 Grinnell
188 80.4 3 8 5 9 178 Lakeland
189 80.1 2 8 2 9 156 Massachusetts-Dartmouth
190 80.0 5 12 6 12 187 Carleton
191 79.4 4 9 5 12 190 Colby-Sawyer
192 78.3 5 7 6 11 199 Plymouth State
193 76.9 1 15 4 18 119 Arcadia
194 76.8 3 7 4 9 193 Blackburn
195 76.5 4 9 7 19 196 SUNY Tech
196 74.3 2 10 2 16 184 Eastern
197 73.0 3 9 5 14 197 Drew
198 72.8 3 10 3 10 195 Wisconsin Lutheran
199 72.5 4 6 4 6 201 Eureka
200 70.8 0 13 0 13 153 Cal Tech
201 65.7 4 6 4 6 202 Emerson
202 65.6 1 11 1 11 194 Newbury
Well that last post was positive.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 02, 2009, 03:37:16 PM
From Boyd's World.... Bottom ranked programs in d3 baseball based on their power rankings. Teams in bold are Central region teams.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html (//http://://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html)
181 84.1 4 15 7 16 123 Eastern Mennonite
182 83.1 4 10 5 15 169 Emory and Henry
183 82.2 3 13 3 15 132 Whitman
184 81.9 3 16 4 17 110 Whitworth
185 81.8 5 11 7 11 182 Scranton
186 81.1 3 7 4 7 183 Elms
187 81.0 5 5 9 7 200 Grinnell
188 80.4 3 8 5 9 178 Lakeland
189 80.1 2 8 2 9 156 Massachusetts-Dartmouth
190 80.0 5 12 6 12 187 Carleton
191 79.4 4 9 5 12 190 Colby-Sawyer
192 78.3 5 7 6 11 199 Plymouth State
193 76.9 1 15 4 18 119 Arcadia
194 76.8 3 7 4 9 193 Blackburn
195 76.5 4 9 7 19 196 SUNY Tech
196 74.3 2 10 2 16 184 Eastern
197 73.0 3 9 5 14 197 Drew
198 72.8 3 10 3 10 195 Wisconsin Lutheran
199 72.5 4 6 4 6 201 Eureka
200 70.8 0 13 0 13 153 Cal Tech
201 65.7 4 6 4 6 202 Emerson
202 65.6 1 11 1 11 194 Newbury
I think that this system is flawed because it only takes into account the teams that schools have played. There is no reason for Blackburn to be ranked below Principia except for the plain fact that Prin has played crappy schools thus far, and Blackburn has played real competition. thats where this system is flawed. These rankings really mean nothing.
Actually, it takes into account the level of competition that EACH team has played and assigns a ranking based on that. It factors in who you have played as well as how you have played against them. While it may not be 100% accurate, it is still better than the traditionally arbitrary polls most systems use.
From another poster:
What are the ISR's?
The ISR's are the results of an algorithm designed to measure the quality of a team's season to date by combining their winning percentage with the difficulty of their schedule. The algorithm computes all teams simultaneously and attempts to take advantage of inter-regional games more accurately than other rating systems.
How are the ISR's computed?
The basic idea is an iterative one. Begin with all teams set to an even rating -- 100 in this case. Then, for each game played, give each team the value of their opponent's rating plus or minus a factor for winning or losing the game -- 25 in this case. Total all of a team's results, divide by the number of games played, and that's the end of a cycle. Then use those numbers as the start of the next cycle until you get the same results for each team for two consecutive cycles.
Why are the ISR's needed?
While it's still a great game, college baseball suffers from the lack of an accurate rating system for measuring team quality. The traditional polls suffer from voters running on auto-pilot, and the RPI's used by the selection committee have some serious problems with the method used to determine strength of schedule. Because of the small amount of inter-regional play in the sport, some regions tend to be under-represented in the NCAA tournament, and mid-rank large conference teams tend to be unfairly excluded. Although trying to get the selection committee to acknowledge this may be a hopeless case, the ISR's are an attempt to find a better rating system.
Quote from: thenatural13 on April 03, 2009, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 02, 2009, 03:37:16 PM
From Boyd's World.... Bottom ranked programs in d3 baseball based on their power rankings. Teams in bold are Central region teams.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html (//http://://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html)
181 84.1 4 15 7 16 123 Eastern Mennonite
182 83.1 4 10 5 15 169 Emory and Henry
183 82.2 3 13 3 15 132 Whitman
184 81.9 3 16 4 17 110 Whitworth
185 81.8 5 11 7 11 182 Scranton
186 81.1 3 7 4 7 183 Elms
187 81.0 5 5 9 7 200 Grinnell
188 80.4 3 8 5 9 178 Lakeland
189 80.1 2 8 2 9 156 Massachusetts-Dartmouth
190 80.0 5 12 6 12 187 Carleton
191 79.4 4 9 5 12 190 Colby-Sawyer
192 78.3 5 7 6 11 199 Plymouth State
193 76.9 1 15 4 18 119 Arcadia
194 76.8 3 7 4 9 193 Blackburn
195 76.5 4 9 7 19 196 SUNY Tech
196 74.3 2 10 2 16 184 Eastern
197 73.0 3 9 5 14 197 Drew
198 72.8 3 10 3 10 195 Wisconsin Lutheran
199 72.5 4 6 4 6 201 Eureka
200 70.8 0 13 0 13 153 Cal Tech
201 65.7 4 6 4 6 202 Emerson
202 65.6 1 11 1 11 194 Newbury
I think that this system is flawed because it only takes into account the teams that schools have played. There is no reason for Blackburn to be ranked below Principia except for the plain fact that Prin has played crappy schools thus far, and Blackburn has played real competition. thats where this system is flawed. These rankings really mean nothing.
Where was Principia listed? I didn't see them on the full list of 205 teams.
To this point, to qualify for this list a team must have played a minimum of ten games and submitted their results. Many teams are a bit behind, so they do not all show up as of yet. Your best bet is to contact the SID at each school and ask them to submit their result to Boyd's.
This weekend pending the rain will be a lot of fun for the SLIAC.
Series of the Weekend:
Fontbonne vs Webster
- This one could tell us who will finish 1 or 2 the way these teams are playing. Webster having expected sucess against conference opponents and Fontbonne is playing above expected so far.
Other key matchups:
Greenville vs Blackburn
-Greenville needs to show that they can climb out of the early hole they have dug themselves into and Blackburn wants to prove that their win against FU was no fluke and they are real contenders. If Blackburn pulls off 2 of 3 this weekend or a sweep i think they might make some believers out of SLIAC fans.
MacMurray vs Westminster:
-This matchup almost needs no build up on importance. This is extremely important for Westminster becuase if they cannot sweep, it would be hard to say they still have a chance. MacMurray's needs 2 of 3 if not a sweep to keep people thinking they have a chance.
Eureka vs Principia
-If Eurkeka can hold off Principia, which I do not see being to much of a problem, they will have a tight hold on the 4 spot which is always an important spot to have. If Prin wants to show they have something, this weekend will have to be a good showing.
MY PREDICTIONS
Blackburn takes 2 from Greenville
Eureka sweeps Principia
Westminster takes 2 from MacMurray
Fontbonne takes 2 from Webster
Here is how we look on Monday
Maryville 5-1
Webster 9-2
Eureka 7-2
Fontbonne 6-2
Blackburn 6-6
MacMurray 3-9
Westminster 2-8
Principia 1-5
Greenville 1-5
Any other thoughts on this weekend?
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbase
this site also ranks teams... click on the D3 section for the D3 power rankings or check where each team ranks in the nation of ALL NCAA schools, D1 included.... it has where each opponent is ranked in the nation as well... so if a team plays a D2 school, it shows where they rank of all school. enjoy, its kinda fun to see where the SLIAC ranks, which isnt pretty but still fun
I would have to say that Fontbonne will not take 2 from Webster. Being a Fontbonne grad i often attend games and I would have to say that the talent on this years teams is very much below par. The way they play the game reminds me of a grade school team that is player coached. So as much as i am rooting for my Griffs i would have to say that webster will take all 3 games this weekend, and will in dominating fashion.
Blackburn defeated Greenville tonight by the score of 10-9 with two runs in the top of the ninth.
B 000 202 312 - 10
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Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on April 03, 2009, 07:08:28 PM
Series of the Weekend:
Fontbonne vs Webster
- This one could tell us who will finish 1 or 2 the way these teams are playing. Webster having expected sucess against conference opponents and Fontbonne is playing above expected so far.
MY PREDICTIONS
Blackburn takes 2 from Greenville
Eureka sweeps Principia
Westminster takes 2 from MacMurray
Fontbonne takes 2 from Webster
Any other thoughts on this weekend?
FYI ... In order for Fontbonne to take two from Webster, it would require the Griffins do something no SLIAC team has done since Coach Kurich took over .... Beat the Gorloks at GCS Ballpark ... Webster hasn't lost a home SLIAC game since May 2006
congrats fontbonne on making yourselves look good today against webster. This was a team picked to finish ahead of WU? webster's best hitter had 3 strikeouts and they still outplayed you in every aspect of the game.
and for blackburns catcher #16 your 2.0 pop time looked real good against webster and you gave up 5 stolen bases and threw one person out(probably someone like Big Joe Biagini). Congrats
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 04, 2009, 07:45:10 PM
congrats fontbonne on making yourselves look good today against webster. This was a team picked to finish ahead of WU? webster's best hitter had 3 strikeouts and they still outplayed you in every aspect of the game.
and for blackburns catcher #16 your 2.0 pop time looked real good against webster and you gave up 5 stolen bases and threw one person out(probably someone like Big Joe Biagini). Congrats
Well I guess I started it. Now everyone is name calling.
Quote from: martyshupack on April 03, 2009, 08:05:49 PM
I would have to say that Fontbonne will not take 2 from Webster. Being a Fontbonne grad i often attend games and I would have to say that the talent on this years teams is very much below par. The way they play the game reminds me of a grade school team that is player coached. So as much as i am rooting for my Griffs i would have to say that webster will take all 3 games this weekend, and will in dominating fashion.
I have to agree. Not only has Fontbonne's play been sloppy but I have not been impressed with any of the teams yet this season. There are flashes of good play, good pitching and good hitting but that is all. I hope they can all improve over the next couple of weeks.
There is no team that is as good as last year's champ.
Well Webster took three from Fontbonne. Not close at all. Slightly boring to honest. Very one sided games. To whoever picked them over Webster, not your smartest decission ever.
Fontbonne- not as good as advertised. will be tough to compete in the SLIAC let alone the country with a pitching staff such as the one they threw against webster. Double header today was not pretty for the griffins as they surrendered 25 runs in 2 games while only scoring 3. First game was dominated by webster hitting while the defense of fontbonne was on par for a junior high team. Need to improve all aspects of their game to compete.
Webster- Dominated series against Fontbonne proving why they are the most dominate team in the SLIAC as they have been since Bill Kurich Took over 2 years ago. First game in the series was a blowout even though Webster's best hitter Fuiten struggled with 3 strikeouts. Quintus threw a great game and was followed up by a very strong bullpen. First game of double header today was dominated by great pitching from Broughton and strong hitting(4 homeruns) by the entire Gorlok offense. Also dominating for the gorlok's in the first game was the fontbonne defense as they surrendered 5 errors in the field. Second game was dominated again by webster pitching as Will savage surrendered 2 hits and 1 run in 7 innings of work. Webster bats came through with very timely hitting and put up 8 more runs on the board.
Webster proved that they are a force to be reckoned with in the conference and can do some major damage in the national tournament. Many people are fooled by their slow start but the gorloks have found their niche and found a lineup that has been smashing opponents pitching. They also have found a very solid 3 to 4 man rotation that has kept them in games and keeps them winning in the SLIAC(11-0).
On a lighter note, Congrats to Webster's freshman catcher Dustin List as he got his collegiate hitting career underway as he pounded a Fontbonne fastball over the left field fence for a 2 run homerun in the first game of the double header.
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 05, 2009, 09:52:44 PM
Fontbonne- not as good as advertised. will be tough to compete in the SLIAC let alone the country with a pitching staff such as the one they threw against webster. Double header today was not pretty for the griffins as they surrendered 25 runs in 2 games while only scoring 3. First game was dominated by webster hitting while the defense of fontbonne was on par for a junior high team. Need to improve all aspects of their game to compete.
Webster- Dominated series against Fontbonne proving why they are the most dominate team in the SLIAC as they have been since Bill Kurich Took over 2 years ago. First game in the series was a blowout even though Webster's best hitter Fuiten struggled with 3 strikeouts. Quintus threw a great game and was followed up by a very strong bullpen. First game of double header today was dominated by great pitching from Broughton and strong hitting(4 homeruns) by the entire Gorlok offense. Also dominating for the gorlok's in the first game was the fontbonne defense as they surrendered 5 errors in the field. Second game was dominated again by webster pitching as Will savage surrendered 2 hits and 1 run in 7 innings of work. Webster bats came through with very timely hitting and put up 8 more runs on the board.
Webster proved that they are a force to be reckoned with in the conference and can do some major damage in the national tournament. Many people are fooled by their slow start but the gorloks have found their niche and found a lineup that has been smashing opponents pitching. They also have found a very solid 3 to 4 man rotation that has kept them in games and keeps them winning in the SLIAC(11-0).
On a lighter note, Congrats to Webster's freshman catcher Dustin List as he got his collegiate hitting career underway as he pounded a Fontbonne fastball over the left field fence for a 2 run homerun in the first game of the double header.
A little chicken counting going on. This years team simple doesn't compare to last years very strong Webster team. They are doing very well against SLIAC teams that aren't playing their best and in what I think is an overall down year in the conference. I hope I am wrong but this team is no where near as strong. Time will tell.
While Webster is off to an 11-0 start in the SLIAC they still are not set to make a dent in the national picture. I have said it before... the SLIAC is very weak this year, not nearly as strong as the past few seasons. While they have clearly separated themselves from the pack in the SLIAC, they have struggled against the rest of the Central region teams which is who they would face in the NCAA tourney.
Central region conference rankings (in my head, at least):
1. CCIW- head an shoulders the top conference talent-wise in the region... consistent runs deep into the NCAAs
2. IIAC- the emergence of Buena Vista really boosts an already solid conference
3. MWC- Beloit is 16-2 while St. Norbert has spilt with BOTH Oshkosh and Stevens Point
4. UAA- WashU is the only member in the region, but they have been solid to this point
5. SLIAC- maybe I am biased, but I see teams at the bottom-middle of other conferences that would compete for the SLIAC crown
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 05, 2009, 10:46:31 PM
While Webster is off to an 11-0 start in the SLIAC they still are not set to make a dent in the national picture. I have said it before... the SLIAC is very weak this year, not nearly as strong as the past few seasons. While they have clearly separated themselves from the pack in the SLIAC, they have struggled against the rest of the Central region teams which is who they would face in the NCAA tourney.
Central region conference rankings (in my head, at least):
1. CCIW- head an shoulders the top conference talent-wise in the region... consistent runs deep into the NCAAs
2. IIAC- the emergence of Buena Vista really boosts an already solid conference
3. MWC- Beloit is 16-2 while St. Norbert has spilt with BOTH Oshkosh and Stevens Point
4. UAA- WashU is the only member in the region, but they have been solid to this point
5. SLIAC- maybe I am biased, but I see teams at the bottom-middle of other conferences that would compete for the SLIAC crown
I hate to agree I am a SLIAC fan but BigPoppa is right. There is still time for improvement but right now the SLIAC is down. Webster can get better but I just don't see the same talent level at all compared to other past great sliac teams.
Or maybe you all should just go watch the best team in the area. WU will be a factor deep into a run at the college world series. So all of you can just have fun watching. Oh yeah, Fontbonne, thanks for wasting WU's time.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 05, 2009, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 05, 2009, 09:52:44 PM
Fontbonne- not as good as advertised. will be tough to compete in the SLIAC let alone the country with a pitching staff such as the one they threw against webster. Double header today was not pretty for the griffins as they surrendered 25 runs in 2 games while only scoring 3. First game was dominated by webster hitting while the defense of fontbonne was on par for a junior high team. Need to improve all aspects of their game to compete.
Webster- Dominated series against Fontbonne proving why they are the most dominate team in the SLIAC as they have been since Bill Kurich Took over 2 years ago. First game in the series was a blowout even though Webster's best hitter Fuiten struggled with 3 strikeouts. Quintus threw a great game and was followed up by a very strong bullpen. First game of double header today was dominated by great pitching from Broughton and strong hitting(4 homeruns) by the entire Gorlok offense. Also dominating for the gorlok's in the first game was the fontbonne defense as they surrendered 5 errors in the field. Second game was dominated again by webster pitching as Will savage surrendered 2 hits and 1 run in 7 innings of work. Webster bats came through with very timely hitting and put up 8 more runs on the board.
Webster proved that they are a force to be reckoned with in the conference and can do some major damage in the national tournament. Many people are fooled by their slow start but the gorloks have found their niche and found a lineup that has been smashing opponents pitching. They also have found a very solid 3 to 4 man rotation that has kept them in games and keeps them winning in the SLIAC(11-0).
On a lighter note, Congrats to Webster's freshman catcher Dustin List as he got his collegiate hitting career underway as he pounded a Fontbonne fastball over the left field fence for a 2 run homerun in the first game of the double header.
A little chicken counting going on. This years team simple doesn't compare to last years very strong Webster team. They are doing very well against SLIAC teams that aren't playing their best and in what I think is an overall down year in the conference. I hope I am wrong but this team is no where near as strong. Time will tell.
Who's counting chickens. No one has mentioned post season yet besides you, who's sliac favorites have already fallen. Now it seems like you're just trying to find problems with a team that is dominating the conference. If you remember, last years team started out in the same boat but actually lost more conference games at this point. Webster has already beat IW and Keystone, two very strong teams. And how big poppa is even considering that Wash U is in a better postition is rediculous after Fontbonne beat them. Learn something from the competition. Webster is just now comming into their own in pitching, fielding and hitting. Webster faced strongly some of the best teams around, and even though the record might not show it, will cause some problems in the post season. Get out and watch games instead of forming oppinions based on nothing.
I did see the games today and want to say that Dan Horn did a great job. A small bright spot on the dull season of Fontbonne.
For those of you Blackburn haters out there, and i know there are a few. I would like to give you a few updates.
At this midway point of the conference season, Blackburn sits 3rd in conference after their weekend SWEEP of Greenville. They are also tied with webster for the league lead in homeruns at 15 and have struck out 10 less times. Also, even though the pitching is not as strong as expected, they have given up the LEAST amount of homeruns (5) in the league and only balked once compared to the 7 by webster. ALSO for those who are not fans of John Wasson, the catcher at Blackburn, he has decided to quit due to "personal reasons."
Anyway im not trying to compare Blackburn to Webster. I know one clearly stands out here, im just trying to show the competitiveness of a team that was pre-season ranked 7th in conference, that is now sitting 3rd.
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Couldnt have said it better myself. Karma +1
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Rediculous.
1. Do you honestly think that a grown man that cant even get Websters players names right is purposely getting Blackburns names wrong just to throw them off? That is the most ignorant thing I have read on this site! I am willing to bet that anyone would have trouble with last names. He has done this with all Webster players as well, as have other teams announcers on away games. I can count on one hand the number of times Andrew Fuiten's name has been pronounced correctly on the road. If this is a mind game tell them it's obviously not working.
2. This is baseball, not golf. Want a game where people will not try to get in your head? Go to a tennis match. . I dont know if you ever played the game, but its slightly mental. If you aren't mentally strong, any good team will get in your head and force more mistakes. This is part of the game and it is seen at any level. This is when i start questioning baseball knowledge on your parts. If you can't take a little bit of jawing then get off of the field. I mean honestly, if you cannot handle a team joking around about a D3 board post (which is what I understand from your post) then i would love to see the kid in a pressure situation a big game. Does not seem like any lines were crossed or the umpires would have been involved, so obviously not malicious comments. Thin skinned baseball players/teams go nowhere in the game, they find themselves 4th in conference and at the end of the bench. Clueless.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Are you serious with this post. Do you honestly think that someone who volunteers to do division 3 baseball announcing would purposely mess up an athletes name just to embarass them. Webster's announcer has struggled with names all year long and honestly tries his best with the names. As for the hounding of Wasson from Blackburn, he brought that upon himself as he posted his personal stats that are clearly false on a public blog that many players, coaches, and fans of the sliac read every day. Im not saying he is the only player in the SLIAC that is commenting on this board, but no one else has bragged about their POP time or any other stat. Jawing is a part of any sport and especially baseball. This takes place at every level including the professional and little league levels. If you cant handle the Webster University bench players giving you a hard time while you are trying to compete you are not a very mentally strong ball player. Need i remind you folks of the Tampa Bay heckler from a few years back. That man used to give the players all hell and they still went out and competed every day, and no they are a winning team.
As for the childishness that only takes place at Webster games. Have you ever attended a Blackburn game at home? Im guessing not? Their have some of the worst fans in respect to that they talk mess the entire game.
Maybe Webster would have given up the trash talking if Blackburn wasnt known as a dirty team. Last year they had 2 altercations with Webster as they threw at them in the game. This year a Blackburn pitcher reatliated to a hit batsmen by Will Savage and threw at Fuiten's head. That is CLASSLESS to its maximum.
At the end of the day Webster wins their games, and needs to be challenged in the SLIAC. Credit to Blackburn as they had Webster beat for 5 innings but in the end Webster took over and came thru with timely hitting and won the ball game.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 06, 2009, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Rediculous.
1. Do you honestly think that a grown man that cant even get Websters players names right is purposely getting Blackburns names wrong just to throw them off? That is the most ignorant thing I have read on this site! I am willing to bet that anyone would have trouble with last names. He has done this with all Webster players as well, as have other teams announcers on away games. I can count on one hand the number of times Andrew Fuiten's name has been pronounced correctly on the road. If this is a mind game tell them it's obviously not working.
2. This is baseball, not golf. Want a game where people will not try to get in your head? Go to a tennis match. . I dont know if you ever played the game, but its slightly mental. If you aren't mentally strong, any good team will get in your head and force more mistakes. This is part of the game and it is seen at any level. This is when i start questioning baseball knowledge on your parts. If you can't take a little bit of jawing then get off of the field. I mean honestly, if you cannot handle a team joking around about a D3 board post (which is what I understand from your post) then i would love to see the kid in a pressure situation a big game. Does not seem like any lines were crossed or the umpires would have been involved, so obviously not malicious comments. Thin skinned baseball players/teams go nowhere in the game, they find themselves 4th in conference and at the end of the bench. Clueless.
Ok you state that the current announcer at Webster is just inarticulate. Great rep for the school. I hope that everyone at Webster doesn't have that much trouble reading and pronouncing names. The job offers must come pouring in on career day. Also he got names right the first time through the order then started mispronouncing them more and more through the game adding extra syllables etc. That tells me a lot when the vocal representative for Webster cannot pronounce simple english. Way to go Webster. Class act all the way around.
First of all it may suprise you that I agree with you for the most part. If you are going to play any sport you need to be mentally tough. No problem. Where we differ is that you as a player have the right to be mouthy but when you do you look like a 2 year old or worse. It shows poor sportsmanship. It certainly doesn't reflect positively on your school or the SLIAC and it makes you look like classless little leaguers. What's next at Webster hey batter, hey batter, hey batter, hey batter, swing batter? Can you see Albert Pujols or any pro asking the opposing catcher from the dugout about his pop time to belittle him. No way. Pujols and 99% of all big leaguers are class acts. Webster is not. Like I said at Webster it is amateur hour.
You are classless videodawg, way to bring down someone who does that job for free and has for the last couple of years. Have you ever played baseball in your lifetime? Once again im guessing no! you have no idea what goes down on the major league field because you dont hear it. Theres no way you can hear it either. You are a joke.
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 06, 2009, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Are you serious with this post. Do you honestly think that someone who volunteers to do division 3 baseball announcing would purposely mess up an athletes name just to embarass them. Webster's announcer has struggled with names all year long and honestly tries his best with the names. As for the hounding of Wasson from Blackburn, he brought that upon himself as he posted his personal stats that are clearly false on a public blog that many players, coaches, and fans of the sliac read every day. Im not saying he is the only player in the SLIAC that is commenting on this board, but no one else has bragged about their POP time or any other stat. Jawing is a part of any sport and especially baseball. This takes place at every level including the professional and little league levels. If you cant handle the Webster University bench players giving you a hard time while you are trying to compete you are not a very mentally strong ball player. Need i remind you folks of the Tampa Bay heckler from a few years back. That man used to give the players all hell and they still went out and competed every day, and no they are a winning team.
As for the childishness that only takes place at Webster games. Have you ever attended a Blackburn game at home? Im guessing not? Their have some of the worst fans in respect to that they talk mess the entire game.
Maybe Webster would have given up the trash talking if Blackburn wasnt known as a dirty team. Last year they had 2 altercations with Webster as they threw at them in the game. This year a Blackburn pitcher reatliated to a hit batsmen by Will Savage and threw at Fuiten's head. That is CLASSLESS to its maximum.
At the end of the day Webster wins their games, and needs to be challenged in the SLIAC. Credit to Blackburn as they had Webster beat for 5 innings but in the end Webster took over and came thru with timely hitting and won the ball game.
First I'm glad you pointed out it is "fans" at other venues not players and other schools they handle issues on the field in the game as it should be done. Shouting insults from the bench is bush.
I am also glad you confirmed that it is splinter pickers doing the trash talk. Most of your players on the field won't stoop to the bench guys level.
Lastly, atleast you admit that you guys trash talk to get back at other teams. Instead of handling it on the field like men you call names like the little girls on a playground. As for my playing career I'll let you know when you pass me up. Oh your a bench rider at Webster sorry you won't.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 06, 2009, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Are you serious with this post. Do you honestly think that someone who volunteers to do division 3 baseball announcing would purposely mess up an athletes name just to embarass them. Webster's announcer has struggled with names all year long and honestly tries his best with the names. As for the hounding of Wasson from Blackburn, he brought that upon himself as he posted his personal stats that are clearly false on a public blog that many players, coaches, and fans of the sliac read every day. Im not saying he is the only player in the SLIAC that is commenting on this board, but no one else has bragged about their POP time or any other stat. Jawing is a part of any sport and especially baseball. This takes place at every level including the professional and little league levels. If you cant handle the Webster University bench players giving you a hard time while you are trying to compete you are not a very mentally strong ball player. Need i remind you folks of the Tampa Bay heckler from a few years back. That man used to give the players all hell and they still went out and competed every day, and no they are a winning team.
As for the childishness that only takes place at Webster games. Have you ever attended a Blackburn game at home? Im guessing not? Their have some of the worst fans in respect to that they talk mess the entire game.
Maybe Webster would have given up the trash talking if Blackburn wasnt known as a dirty team. Last year they had 2 altercations with Webster as they threw at them in the game. This year a Blackburn pitcher reatliated to a hit batsmen by Will Savage and threw at Fuiten's head. That is CLASSLESS to its maximum.
At the end of the day Webster wins their games, and needs to be challenged in the SLIAC. Credit to Blackburn as they had Webster beat for 5 innings but in the end Webster took over and came thru with timely hitting and won the ball game.
First I'm glad you pointed out it is "fans" at other venues not players and other schools they handle issues on the field in the game as it should be done. Shouting insults from the bench is bush.
I am also glad you confirmed that it is splinter pickers doing the trash talk. Most of your players on the field won't stoop to the bench guys level.
Lastly, atleast you admit that you guys trash talk to get back at other teams. Instead of handling it on the field like men you call names like the little girls on a playground. As for my playing career I'll let you know when you pass me up. Oh your a bench rider at Webster sorry you won't.
You might be the biggest joke on d3boards, you make my day so much more comical than it already is.
First of all no one was doing any name calling(are we in third grade here?)
Second the bench players i referred to were the Webster Pitchers(who dominate the SLIAC just in case you didnt know) and were not in the game at that point in time.
AND FINALLY, how does webster not take care of on the field when they have won 29 straight conference home games. And they have won the SLIAC 3 years( go ahead and make it 4 already this year) in a row.
And you only wish i played for Webster just to make youself look better, but i keep my self in the stands for every game and enjoy watching the best team in the SLIAC destroy every conference team they play.
Thank you videodawg i will be here all day.
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 06, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 06, 2009, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 09:54:49 AM
Good post oneandonly. As you know I was at the Webster/Blackburn game and felt that Blackburn had more than an opportunity to win the first game of the doubleheader. So I hope you don't think that I am a hater.
It is too bad that Wasson is leaving. He had real potential and he was quite impressive behind that plate. However he was a freshman and made freshman mistakes.
The most disturbing thing about the Webster/Blackburn game was the constant personal riding that Wasson took from the Webster bench. They never mentioned his name but they were on him all game long. Probably stemming from a possible post from him on this site about his "pop time". I hope he didn't leave because of the relentless riding at Webster.
I have never made an issue of this because baseball is about wins and stats. But the Webster team is a poor ambassador for the SLIAC and for their school. They are constantly making personal attacks on other teams to the point that although they have had good teams and a good facility I rarely visit their ballpark. They are truly poor sports. And it is not just the players, against Blackburn the announcer purposely mispronounced the Blackburn players names all game long. That kind of childishness only happens at Webster games.
Anyway this has been a disturbing trend at Webster for the past couple of years. If a young man asked me about playing at Webster I would tell him to go somewhere else. Good team but low class, low rent attitude. They need some class lessons from Principia.
Are you serious with this post. Do you honestly think that someone who volunteers to do division 3 baseball announcing would purposely mess up an athletes name just to embarass them. Webster's announcer has struggled with names all year long and honestly tries his best with the names. As for the hounding of Wasson from Blackburn, he brought that upon himself as he posted his personal stats that are clearly false on a public blog that many players, coaches, and fans of the sliac read every day. Im not saying he is the only player in the SLIAC that is commenting on this board, but no one else has bragged about their POP time or any other stat. Jawing is a part of any sport and especially baseball. This takes place at every level including the professional and little league levels. If you cant handle the Webster University bench players giving you a hard time while you are trying to compete you are not a very mentally strong ball player. Need i remind you folks of the Tampa Bay heckler from a few years back. That man used to give the players all hell and they still went out and competed every day, and no they are a winning team.
As for the childishness that only takes place at Webster games. Have you ever attended a Blackburn game at home? Im guessing not? Their have some of the worst fans in respect to that they talk mess the entire game.
Maybe Webster would have given up the trash talking if Blackburn wasnt known as a dirty team. Last year they had 2 altercations with Webster as they threw at them in the game. This year a Blackburn pitcher reatliated to a hit batsmen by Will Savage and threw at Fuiten's head. That is CLASSLESS to its maximum.
At the end of the day Webster wins their games, and needs to be challenged in the SLIAC. Credit to Blackburn as they had Webster beat for 5 innings but in the end Webster took over and came thru with timely hitting and won the ball game.
First I'm glad you pointed out it is "fans" at other venues not players and other schools they handle issues on the field in the game as it should be done. Shouting insults from the bench is bush.
I am also glad you confirmed that it is splinter pickers doing the trash talk. Most of your players on the field won't stoop to the bench guys level.
Lastly, atleast you admit that you guys trash talk to get back at other teams. Instead of handling it on the field like men you call names like the little girls on a playground. As for my playing career I'll let you know when you pass me up. Oh your a bench rider at Webster sorry you won't.
You might be the biggest joke on d3boards, you make my day so much more comical than it already is.
First of all no one was doing any name calling(are we in third grade here?)
Second the bench players i referred to were the Webster Pitchers(who dominate the SLIAC just in case you didnt know) and were not in the game at that point in time.
AND FINALLY, how does webster not take care of on the field when they have won 29 straight conference home games. And they have won the SLIAC 3 years( go ahead and make it 4 already this year) in a row.
And you only wish i played for Webster just to make youself look better, but i keep my self in the stands for every game and enjoy watching the best team in the SLIAC destroy every conference team they play.
Thank you videodawg i will be here all day.
WOW look at Webster's stats in the conference. You are not dominating in the pitching categories. More wins in conference yes but all other stats you are not dominating at all.
You have no idea what I mean by taking care of business on the field? You play college ball? Your hitter that got plucked on the head was probably a pitcher taking care of business on the field. That is how it is done in baseball. Shouting pop times from the bench is bush league.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 06, 2009, 05:41:27 AM
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Fontbonne- not as good as advertised. will be tough to compete in the SLIAC let alone the country with a pitching staff such as the one they threw against webster. Double header today was not pretty for the griffins as they surrendered 25 runs in 2 games while only scoring 3. First game was dominated by webster hitting while the defense of fontbonne was on par for a junior high team. Need to improve all aspects of their game to compete.
Webster- Dominated series against Fontbonne proving why they are the most dominate team in the SLIAC as they have been since Bill Kurich Took over 2 years ago. First game in the series was a blowout even though Webster's best hitter Fuiten struggled with 3 strikeouts. Quintus threw a great game and was followed up by a very strong bullpen. First game of double header today was dominated by great pitching from Broughton and strong hitting(4 homeruns) by the entire Gorlok offense. Also dominating for the gorlok's in the first game was the fontbonne defense as they surrendered 5 errors in the field. Second game was dominated again by webster pitching as Will savage surrendered 2 hits and 1 run in 7 innings of work. Webster bats came through with very timely hitting and put up 8 more runs on the board.
Webster proved that they are a force to be reckoned with in the conference and can do some major damage in the national tournament. Many people are fooled by their slow start but the gorloks have found their niche and found a lineup that has been smashing opponents pitching. They also have found a very solid 3 to 4 man rotation that has kept them in games and keeps them winning in the SLIAC(11-0).
On a lighter note, Congrats to Webster's freshman catcher Dustin List as he got his collegiate hitting career underway as he pounded a Fontbonne fastball over the left field fence for a 2 run homerun in the first game of the double header.
A little chicken counting going on. This years team simple doesn't compare to last years very strong Webster team. They are doing very well against SLIAC teams that aren't playing their best and in what I think is an overall down year in the conference. I hope I am wrong but this team is no where near as strong. Time will tell.
Who's counting chickens. No one has mentioned post season yet besides you, who's sliac favorites have already fallen. Now it seems like you're just trying to find problems with a team that is dominating the conference. If you remember, last years team started out in the same boat but actually lost more conference games at this point. Webster has already beat IW and Keystone, two very strong teams. And how big poppa is even considering that Wash U is in a better postition is rediculous after Fontbonne beat them. Learn something from the competition. Webster is just now comming into their own in pitching, fielding and hitting. Webster faced strongly some of the best teams around, and even though the record might not show it, will cause some problems in the post season. Get out and watch games instead of forming oppinions based on nothing.
I did see the games today and want to say that Dan Horn did a great job. A small bright spot on the dull season of Fontbonne.
I apologize for not responding sooner I was dealing with other issues. You say that "no one is mentioning the post season" look at the post I quoted. "Webster proved that they are a force to be reckoned with in the conference and can do some major damage in the national tournament." Nuff said.
I have seen plenty of games and have been going to St. Louis area games for years and my opinion is that the SLIAC is down this year. Can that change? You bet. I hope it does. But like I said "Time will tell."
You are awfully defensive. What's the deal?
Well first, I was responding more to the chicken counting comment not trying to be defensive. Just trying to prove that Webster has played some good national competition and did not do badly. No anger here ha just trying to throw my two cents in. I won't say they will or will not make a run in the post season, but we can't compare last years team to this one, both had different strengths and weaknesses. For instance, overall the defense this year is substantially better than last year, but yes there is no brett mueller. but overall the pitching staff has done their job shutting down teams. Whether leading in stats or not, the W-L collumn is the only one that matters.
Second, I do agree that the conference teams i have seen are not as good as last year this is true. But thats why teams play out of conference games, to prove themselves. I believe if you would have seen some of the other Webster games you would have a different oppinion of them. To be honest the blackburn game and one fontbonne game are the only two games where jawing was taking place. This is because of the way teams acted last year. This is not a conference trend. I believe rivalry has a little bit to do with it and thats that. But they did handle their business on the field as well. If hitting Andrew Fuiten was their way of handling business that is ok. I believe its more irresponsible and bush league when you start throwing at batters heads, so how about we let the scores do the talking for once.
Lastly, I will get defensive when people start to attack an announcer that does not get paid. Now bringing school quality into this board is just plain wrong. And I believe bringing anything personal against his way of doing things is just plain crule. So what, he has trouble with BOTH teams names, and has had these problems for MULTIPLE YEARS. No one has complained before. This is the sole reason I am defensive, bringing him and the school quality into this is just morally wrong.
Sorry for the long post.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 06, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
Well first, I was responding more to the chicken counting comment not trying to be defensive. Just trying to prove that Webster has played some good national competition and did not do badly. No anger here ha just trying to throw my two cents in. I won't say they will or will not make a run in the post season, but we can't compare last years team to this one, both had different strengths and weaknesses. For instance, overall the defense this year is substantially better than last year, but yes there is no brett mueller. but overall the pitching staff has done their job shutting down teams. Whether leading in stats or not, the W-L collumn is the only one that matters.
Second, I do agree that the conference teams i have seen are not as good as last year this is true. But thats why teams play out of conference games, to prove themselves. I believe if you would have seen some of the other Webster games you would have a different oppinion of them. To be honest the blackburn game and one fontbonne game are the only two games where jawing was taking place. This is because of the way teams acted last year. This is not a conference trend. I believe rivalry has a little bit to do with it and thats that. But they did handle their business on the field as well. If hitting Andrew Fuiten was their way of handling business that is ok. I believe its more irresponsible and bush league when you start throwing at batters heads, so how about we let the scores do the talking for once.
Lastly, I will get defensive when people start to attack an announcer that does not get paid. Now bringing school quality into this board is just plain wrong. And I believe bringing anything personal against his way of doing things is just plain crule. So what, he has trouble with BOTH teams names, and has had these problems for MULTIPLE YEARS. No one has complained before. This is the sole reason I am defensive, bringing him and the school quality into this is just morally wrong.
Sorry for the long post.
Good post. I have seen the negative side of other schools in the league. Blackburn a couple of years ago was absolutely bush in their onfield antics. And there are others that fit that description.
On the announcer, all I would say is that even if it is a volunteer position, a school has to look out for its public image. They should move him to a non-public position. I would pitch a fit if my alma mater had someone annoucing that was so poor at it volunteer or not.
A couple examples of the mispronunciations were Cadle pronounces ca-dolly or Spala pronounced Spa-lolly. What was odd was that he got the names right the first time through the order. As an impartial observer of a fun and exciting first game it sure seemed like the poor pronunciations were intentional. I know every one around me thought it was intentional and embarassing for the school (both blackburn and webster fans).
Lastly I get to 4 or 5 Webster games a season. I must just go to the ones where they are riding other players.
videodawg,
you continue to talk about how teams handle themselves on the field and how they play the game, yet you continue to bash websters announcer. Frankly who cares who good or bad someone announces the game. People are at the game to watch what is taking place on the field.
And on websters bush league yelling out of POP time. How many everyday fans and parents even know what a pop time is? Bush league is throwing at players such as Blackburn did to Webster. Most of the parents were probably saying oo theres another crazy chant by webster.
And again who cares what is said on the bench, in the stands, or on this stupid board.
Webster goes out every single game, gives their all, and just man handles their opponents. Maybe that is why they are 11-0 in conference this year and have dominated the SLIAC since Bill Kurich took over.
And enough about the national scene for these teams. The SLIAC is compared to a mid major conference in division 1 sports and has proven that they can compete with the nationally ranked programs.
Although webster has looked bad on occasions(such as in their Florida Trip, and against wartburg, who is no bad team at all, and concordia) they still have beaten Illinois Wesleyan(#16) at the team, and were beating Cortland St.(#9 at the time) until they surrendered runs late.
If you dont mind my asking, who are you a fan of from this conference? Are You Alumni anywhere?
and once again you question if i am a member of Webster's Baseball program, but i am not, im just an everyday supporter of those guys and enjoy watchin them play
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 06, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
Well first, I was responding more to the chicken counting comment not trying to be defensive. Just trying to prove that Webster has played some good national competition and did not do badly. No anger here ha just trying to throw my two cents in. I won't say they will or will not make a run in the post season, but we can't compare last years team to this one, both had different strengths and weaknesses. For instance, overall the defense this year is substantially better than last year, but yes there is no brett mueller. but overall the pitching staff has done their job shutting down teams. Whether leading in stats or not, the W-L collumn is the only one that matters.
Second, I do agree that the conference teams i have seen are not as good as last year this is true. But thats why teams play out of conference games, to prove themselves. I believe if you would have seen some of the other Webster games you would have a different oppinion of them. To be honest the blackburn game and one fontbonne game are the only two games where jawing was taking place. This is because of the way teams acted last year. This is not a conference trend. I believe rivalry has a little bit to do with it and thats that. But they did handle their business on the field as well. If hitting Andrew Fuiten was their way of handling business that is ok. I believe its more irresponsible and bush league when you start throwing at batters heads, so how about we let the scores do the talking for once.
Lastly, I will get defensive when people start to attack an announcer that does not get paid. Now bringing school quality into this board is just plain wrong. And I believe bringing anything personal against his way of doing things is just plain crule. So what, he has trouble with BOTH teams names, and has had these problems for MULTIPLE YEARS. No one has complained before. This is the sole reason I am defensive, bringing him and the school quality into this is just morally wrong.
Sorry for the long post.
Good post. I have seen the negative side of other schools in the league. Blackburn a couple of years ago was absolutely bush in their onfield antics. And there are others that fit that description.
On the announcer, all I would say is that even if it is a volunteer position, a school has to look out for its public image. They should move him to a non-public position. I would pitch a fit if my alma mater had someone annoucing that was so poor at it volunteer or not.
A couple examples of the mispronunciations were Cadle pronounces ca-dolly or Spala pronounced Spa-lolly. What was odd was that he got the names right the first time through the order. As an impartial observer of a fun and exciting first game it sure seemed like the poor pronunciations were intentional. I know every one around me thought it was intentional and embarassing for the school (both blackburn and webster fans).
Lastly I get to 4 or 5 Webster games a season. I must just go to the ones where they are riding other players.
Ya I see your point here, but to be honest he does seem to talk more than most to talk and keep the game interesting. I agree that he could work more on the names, but all in all i dont see it being THAT big of a distraction that it would affect the game. Also most places do have problems with names, I havent heard raetslofs sp? ha... or Fuitens name pronounced right yet at other fields. I will disagree though that I dont believe i heard Cadle's name pronounced right the whole night. That one was consistantly wrong. But all in all not a big deal if you ask me. Glad that's resolved though. Now back to baseball.
I will respond to your concerns one at a time.
I was answering a question about the announcer. I just think he is a bad choice to represent the school if he really can't pronounce names right. It makes the school look bad. No other SLAIC school has that issue. Others around me thought the same thing and even Webster folks had no explanation. I am sure he's a great guy, he just needs another position so the school doesn't look so bad in the eyes of visitors and public, if indeed he just can't pronounce simple names.
The point on shouting out the pop times was to irritate the catcher not to irritate the fans. I would say that only a handful of fans knew what was going on. But it was not about the fans or even the catcher, it is about Webster players purposely insulting the catcher of another team. That is bush for sure.
I don't know if the Blackburn player threw intentionally or not I just know a bench player should ask that question after someone gets plunked. "Did my loud mouth and poor sportsmanship just cause my teammate to get hit?" I am sure that question never even occurred to guys that don't bat. The guy that got hit didn't run his mouth all game long. By the way he's a heck of a player and I have never seen a bad attitude come from him. He seems to be a class guy.
If you don't care what is "said on this stupid board" then quit responding.
I don't doubt Webster gives their all. I also agree that they are a good team and the best in the SLIAC right now. I just maintain that a lot of their players are childish and immature and as a result do not represent the school or the SLIAC well.
I have been watching the SLIAC for years and I honestly don't care about other national teams or standings, I just like to watch baseball. However, I do believe the SLIAC is not as strong as usual.
I am a fan of all baseball and get to see several teams in the St. Louis area. Some people collect stamps, others butterflies, I watch baseball games. And as you can see from all of my previous post that I wish all the teams well. This run of posts was the first time that I called a team out for behavior I usually stick to play on the field and stats. But I also make observations based on decades of coaching baseball and playing baseball. When I see something I will say it and simply put making fun of another ball player is beneath the SLIAC and is very bush. If you can't agree with that I guess we really have very little to talk about.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 06, 2009, 08:07:36 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 06, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
Well first, I was responding more to the chicken counting comment not trying to be defensive. Just trying to prove that Webster has played some good national competition and did not do badly. No anger here ha just trying to throw my two cents in. I won't say they will or will not make a run in the post season, but we can't compare last years team to this one, both had different strengths and weaknesses. For instance, overall the defense this year is substantially better than last year, but yes there is no brett mueller. but overall the pitching staff has done their job shutting down teams. Whether leading in stats or not, the W-L collumn is the only one that matters.
Second, I do agree that the conference teams i have seen are not as good as last year this is true. But thats why teams play out of conference games, to prove themselves. I believe if you would have seen some of the other Webster games you would have a different oppinion of them. To be honest the blackburn game and one fontbonne game are the only two games where jawing was taking place. This is because of the way teams acted last year. This is not a conference trend. I believe rivalry has a little bit to do with it and thats that. But they did handle their business on the field as well. If hitting Andrew Fuiten was their way of handling business that is ok. I believe its more irresponsible and bush league when you start throwing at batters heads, so how about we let the scores do the talking for once.
Lastly, I will get defensive when people start to attack an announcer that does not get paid. Now bringing school quality into this board is just plain wrong. And I believe bringing anything personal against his way of doing things is just plain crule. So what, he has trouble with BOTH teams names, and has had these problems for MULTIPLE YEARS. No one has complained before. This is the sole reason I am defensive, bringing him and the school quality into this is just morally wrong.
Sorry for the long post.
Good post. I have seen the negative side of other schools in the league. Blackburn a couple of years ago was absolutely bush in their onfield antics. And there are others that fit that description.
On the announcer, all I would say is that even if it is a volunteer position, a school has to look out for its public image. They should move him to a non-public position. I would pitch a fit if my alma mater had someone annoucing that was so poor at it volunteer or not.
A couple examples of the mispronunciations were Cadle pronounces ca-dolly or Spala pronounced Spa-lolly. What was odd was that he got the names right the first time through the order. As an impartial observer of a fun and exciting first game it sure seemed like the poor pronunciations were intentional. I know every one around me thought it was intentional and embarassing for the school (both blackburn and webster fans).
Lastly I get to 4 or 5 Webster games a season. I must just go to the ones where they are riding other players.
Ya I see your point here, but to be honest he does seem to talk more than most to talk and keep the game interesting. I agree that he could work more on the names, but all in all i dont see it being THAT big of a distraction that it would affect the game. Also most places do have problems with names, I havent heard raetslofs sp? ha... or Fuitens name pronounced right yet at other fields. I will disagree though that I dont believe i heard Cadle's name pronounced right the whole night. That one was consistantly wrong. But all in all not a big deal if you ask me. Glad that's resolved though. Now back to baseball.
AMEN BACK TO BASEBALL.
Did anyone get any games in today?
Scores updates?
I'll answer myself. Looks like the only game played was Principia at Blackburn. The Beavers won 10-1. A good night to be the largest rodent in North American.
I would just like to express my appologies for a poor representation of my knowledge on the teams in the SLIAC this past weekend ???. This is going to be a heck of a ride 2-9 . Webster still has Maryville which to me is the under the radar team that could be the only one left to put a win up against Webster (They are hitting the most consistant in conference and don't strike out a lot which could be trouble with the way teams are playing defence this year, and the pitching is showing signs of emergance) . I am really disapointed in Fontbonne, I think they did not play as well as advertised but my gut tells me, if they clean up the defence, they will still be pesky. At 8-5 Blackburn looks like they really can play with that small roster and I look for them to be the 3rd or 4th team . Eureka to me, is the only other team that also has a chance to make the top 4 . That leaves MacMurray, Westminster, and Greenville to be the three teams, as they are now, to stay where they are. Hopefully they can play spoiler so that the end of the season is exciting and a energy boost for the conference tourny.
WOW! I enter this board to talk baseball tonight and thought I walked into a fourth grade classroom with all of the name calling.
Attack the argument, not the person. And know that others are free to attack your argument without you feeling like you were personally attacked. (This is a skill I teach daily during middle school discussion... some of you need to sit in my class for a day or two to refresh).
The "D" has been the most disappointing apect of the whole season I was truly surprised by the poor "D" on the field for Font, Webster and Greenville. There is still time to turn things around, make some personel changes and finish strong. It is looking like Webster, Maryville then several question marks. I wouldn't count any out yet. Maryville has only played 6, Principia 7 and Font 8. A lot can happen and some better defense could turn the standing around pretty quick.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 06, 2009, 09:38:51 PM
WOW! I enter this board to talk baseball tonight and thought I walked into a fourth grade classroom with all of the name calling.
Attack the argument, not the person. And know that others are free to attack your argument without you feeling like you were personally attacked. (This is a skill I teach daily during middle school discussion... some of you need to sit in my class for a day or two to refresh).
We all need a refresher course now and again.
It was a good game for the Beavers tonight. This takes their record to 8-5 in conference. They have made huge strides compared to last year, perhaps it was just an off year. Their true test will come this week when Webster goes to Blackburn and then Blackburn travels to Maryville. This week will prove a lot to all the Beaver Lovers AND Haters. Congrats to Josh Holman who is having one heck of a turn around season. and Cadle's last name is pronounced .... K-del... Its pretty simple. BUT i do believe Fuiten and Ratezeloff have some pretty tough names. I also think Fontbonne's Juergensmeyer could prove to be a tough one.. But overall if it came down to it. Webster takes the cake on tough names to pronounce. HAH! hope this post put some cheer back into this board.
Webster has an easy week of baseball, should escape with 4 more conference wins pushing their record to 17-10(15-0 in SLIAC play). Hopefully they dont play to Busch league when they travel to Blackburn on wednesday...Some people may get offended by their crazy antics.
The greatest athlete of our time was also one of the biggest trash talkers ever...Michael Jordan
Also, congrats are due to Freshman Joe Biagini on being the SLIAC hitter of the week, and to Junior pitcher WIll Savage on being Pitcher of the week in the SLIAC. Gorlok players swept these awards for the second straight week.
Quote from: thenatural13 on April 07, 2009, 01:07:47 AM
It was a good game for the Beavers tonight. This takes their record to 8-5 in conference. They have made huge strides compared to last year, perhaps it was just an off year. Their true test will come this week when Webster goes to Blackburn and then Blackburn travels to Maryville. This week will prove a lot to all the Beaver Lovers AND Haters. Congrats to Josh Holman who is having one heck of a turn around season. and Cadle's last name is pronounced .... K-del... Its pretty simple. BUT i do believe Fuiten and Ratezeloff have some pretty tough names. I also think Fontbonne's Juergensmeyer could prove to be a tough one.. But overall if it came down to it. Webster takes the cake on tough names to pronounce. HAH! hope this post put some cheer back into this board.
Ha! this is a good post. Karma +1
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 06, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
A couple examples of the mispronunciations were Cadle pronounces ca-dolly or Spala pronounced Spa-lolly. What was odd was that he got the names right the first time through the order. As an impartial observer of a fun and exciting first game it sure seemed like the poor pronunciations were intentional. I know every one around me thought it was intentional and embarassing for the school (both blackburn and webster fans).
Harry Caray got paid quite well to say the things you found bush. And for the most part, his mispronunciations were intentional.
How do you say Ratezeloff backwards?
Webster Plays at Blackburn tomorrow. This should prove to be Webster's first real test. Mainly because of reasons stated before, like Blackburn is a hard place to play. Hopefully the Beavers bring down the high and mighty gorloks because like ive always said, everyone loves an upset!
how is a team that is 8-5 in the conference a real test? Webster already has beaten them twice and regardless how much Blackburn had them down in the first game they still lost. Not a real test at all. The only "real" test webster will see is Maryville who is having a down year. need we argue again that Webster is the best team in the SLIAC and will be until Kurich retires.
I mean i wouldn't go as far as to say Maryville is having a down year. Looking at their hitting statistics they are going to be tough to beat. Should be a great series if you ask me. But i have been wrong before, but i'd love to see a tough three game series to test both teams
ballnerd I've been trying to figure out who you are and now I think I have it. Your not a player, you have said that in previous posts. Your not just a fan, the best of fans aren't as tenacious and fanatic as you. You aren't the announcer at the Webster games, you would have misspelled all of the names you write. Now I have finally figured it out. You are Kurich's mom. ;D
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 07, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
ballnerd I've been trying to figure out who you are and now I think I have it. Your not a player, you have said that in previous posts. Your not just a fan, the best of fans aren't as tenacious and fanatic as you. You aren't the announcer at the Webster games, you would have misspelled all of the names you write. Now I have finally figured it out. Your are Kurich's mom. ;D
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HAHAHAHAHA oh my. Had to go there!! Good reasoning skills.
Before you go nuts ballnerd...it's a joke.
nothing to go nuts about, we got class acts all around.
fact is they get the job done on the ball field.
regardless of what goes on in the dugout, they win.
Do we really need to bring the mother of a College Baseball Coach into this as well?
Not a chuckle, a snort, a guffa or a little ha? Not a giggle? Did you even crack a smile? You have to admit that was funny. Come on that was golden stuff. I should get paid for a joke like that and you didn't even teehee?
bbnerd1967 this is not a gossip board. Your karma proves that you do more harm then good to the SLIAC community with your downgrading posts. For others who he offends, just ignore him, feeding to his fire will just keep him burning. We know Webster is playing and has been playing the best in the SLIAC for quite some time, but let their winning do the talking they do not need you to do it for them. A team that wins with class and is supported with class is well respected. Respect is earned and valued.
I found it funny viddawg!.. and nerd incase you cant read correctly.. I SPECIFICALLY SAID
FIRST REAL TEST
I believe this will BE THIER FIRST because blackburn did play a game well at webster and it is also hard to play at blackburn thus making it their FIRST... If you dont agree you are entitled to that but you need to settle down your antics. So far all you have done is come in here for 10 posts and bitch and moan about what other people say about webster and then defend them till the end of the day on how great they are and how htey have no weaknesses. UNTIL they go undefeated in the sliac, which IS possible, then get out of the regional, then you can come back and talk to us about how great they are.. and yes i know, last year they were two outs away, but ya know what they didnt quite get those two outs. SO im sure you will have something stupid to post back to this, just dont expect a response, because everyone on here EXCEPT you loves baseball, and the sliac (regardless of how down it is) and enjoy watching EVERY team. Yes we have our favorites but we dont come on here to start fights, we come on here to talk baseball. so dont expect many more people to reply to your messages.
theoneandonly and SLIAC4LIFE are guys I have argued with in past posts and they have disputed mine. But I can tell you they have a great perspective and even though I only know them through this board when they say calm down or you are wrong I reassess my position, rethink what I say or retract an opinion. They have earned that respect by showing a great knowledge of baseball, support for the SLIAC and supporting the schools and kids playing the game we each love to watch and discuss.
I agree that you baseballnerd need to be ignored and I will until you show the respect and maturity exhibited by SLIAC4 and the oneandonly. See ya. Lastly, try to get a sense of humor.
Well since we were on the subject of classless programs I agree that Blackburn is def a tough place to play, heckling at its best comes from the drunken idiots on the platform behind LF, nothing gets me more pumped than taking infield/outfield to Shania Twain's "man I feel like a woman" and watching Mike Neil throw bases and make himself look like a fool.
I was at the Blackburn Milikin game earlier this year at Blackburn and when Shania Twains I feel like a woman came on, Milikin players laughed. Its all in good fun and its obviously a joke. For the drunken idiots in left field, im not sure you know what you are talking about. Blackburn struggles to even get more than 10 people to attend their games. Also Neil is one of the best coaches in the SLIAC. As i recall he is a two or three time coach of the year. I havent heard of any games where he or any of his players were ejected...good job for the Angry Beavers who seem to have that problem year to year.
Quote from: WashedUP07 on April 07, 2009, 02:26:28 PM
Well since we were on the subject of classless programs I agree that Blackburn is def a tough place to play, heckling at its best comes from the drunken idiots on the platform behind LF, nothing gets me more pumped than taking infield/outfield to Shania Twain's "man I feel like a woman" and watching Mike Neil throw bases and make himself look like a fool.
Hey, Washedup
Welcome to the board. Sounds like you played? Whose your team?
We just got over talking about bush league programs so I think we are all wanting to move on. I only wish I had seen the base throwing incident. It has become legendary. I mentioned Blackburn in one of the earlier posts and their past shinanigans. They have been very colorful in the past (a very generous description). Anyway who do you see as the top four finishers this year?
Slidepiece, Same to you welcome. Who are you pulling for? Did you play?
Neal did throw a base but it is like Brock's stolen base record everyone saw it. I doubt more than 100 were actually there and I was not however it had to be a sight. I have seen Blackburn a couple of times this year and they seem to be a much more controlled team.
Anyway who do you see as being the top four teams?
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 07, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
Hey, Washedup
Welcome to the board. Sounds like you played? Whose your team?
We just got over talking about bush league programs so I think we are all wanting to move on. I only wish I had seen the base throwing incident. It has become legendary. I mentioned Blackburn in one of the earlier posts and their past shinanigans. They have been very colorful in the past (a very generous description). Anyway who do you see as the top four finishers this year?
Former WU player here im over it then not sure how much has changed in the past few years but IMO Blackburn gets everything they deserve believe me. Nevermind my biased opinion though ive only seen a few WU games this year been busy with work so from what Ive seen so far and heard (have a few good friends that coach for fontbonne) id have to say:
1)Webster
2) Maryville
3) Blackburn
4) Fontbonne
Like i said before my opinion is biased when it comes to Blackburn so take it with a grain of salt sorry if i offended ya. Guess its not like it used to be though as far as attendance goes. Used to be nuts on the weekends at least when we came to town stands were packed.
welcome washed up... yeah you are a blackburn hater too, but you are welcome haha! I personally am a blackburn fan, but since you are a WU alumni, i understand why you are not a blackburn fan. either way glad to have more people on the boards!
1. Webster
2. Maryville
Seems like a good one - two but Maryville only has 6 games in and a lot can change positive and negative. Not only that but with the rain outs their games are getting bunched pretty tight it may test their pitching.
Blackburn is the surprise. They were picked to finish 7th and have 16 players and are short in the catching department. They face one more with Webster then Maryville if they can split in those four game they will be 3rd for sure. Taking just one maybe not.
fourth is up for grabs. Font, Eureka or a sleeper.
Thats my 2 cents.
As for Blackburn's antics, I think the college level is too mature for the play when they act as if the pitcher has thrown the ball in the outfield and everyone can't seem to find the ball when the pitcher still has it in his hand. I have never seen it work and all the teams in the SLIAC are all aware of it. I am sure at one point when they first tried it, it may have gotten an out, but now it just seems to get eye rolls. The fans in left field are not a myth, they have been there, drunk or not, and they do cause mayhem. But as far as those guys go I think it is good for Blackburn that they have fans who try and get in the opposing team's head. As long as it is not too over the top, and it stays in the stands, it is all in the nature of the sport. The players have also calmed down and for that I give credit to Coach Neal. An incident that I recall happening more than once is when the first basemen has put hard tags on pick-offs, specifically to the head and face of opposing players. Coach Neal has talked to him, if not benched him, and the dirty play stopped. I have overheard a lot of players attributing Blackburn's "stubbornness" to that one particular player on many different occasions.
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 07, 2009, 01:59:54 PM
I found it funny viddawg!.. and nerd incase you cant read correctly.. I SPECIFICALLY SAID
FIRST REAL TEST
I believe this will BE THIER FIRST because blackburn did play a game well at webster and it is also hard to play at blackburn thus making it their FIRST... If you dont agree you are entitled to that but you need to settle down your antics. So far all you have done is come in here for 10 posts and bitch and moan about what other people say about webster and then defend them till the end of the day on how great they are and how htey have no weaknesses. UNTIL they go undefeated in the sliac, which IS possible, then get out of the regional, then you can come back and talk to us about how great they are.. and yes i know, last year they were two outs away, but ya know what they didnt quite get those two outs. SO im sure you will have something stupid to post back to this, just dont expect a response, because everyone on here EXCEPT you loves baseball, and the sliac (regardless of how down it is) and enjoy watching EVERY team. Yes we have our favorites but we dont come on here to start fights, we come on here to talk baseball. so dont expect many more people to reply to your messages.
Ok so everyone stop posting till you're team gets out of the regional and goes undefeated in conference. Ha seems like it could get boring in here waiting for that. I dont know why we have to downplay a good accomplishment. Hand it over to last years team and move on. No need to bring last year into this.
Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on April 07, 2009, 03:32:20 PM
As for Blackburn's antics, I think the college level is too mature for the play when they act as if the pitcher has thrown the ball in the outfield and everyone can't seem to find the ball when the pitcher still has it in his hand. I have never seen it work and all the teams in the SLIAC are all aware of it. I am sure at one point when they first tried it, it may have gotten an out, but now it just seems to get eye rolls. The fans in left field are not a myth, they have been there, drunk or not, and they do cause mayhem. But as far as those guys go I think it is good for Blackburn that they have fans who try and get in the opposing team's head. As long as it is not too over the top, and it stays in the stands, it is all in the nature of the sport. The players have also calmed down and for that I give credit to Coach Neal. An incident that I recall happening more than once is when the first basemen has put hard tags on pick-offs, specifically to the head and face of opposing players. Coach Neal has talked to him, if not benched him, and the dirty play stopped. I have overheard a lot of players attributing Blackburn's "stubbornness" to that one particular player on many different occasions.
Just so you know I have actually seen it work at Blackburn. I don't know the pitcher but he was a rollypolly kind of guy and he sold it. He even fell to the ground. The runner took it hook line and sinker. I laughed for a month remembering that play. It is over done if it is more than once every couple of years.
I have no problem with any fan shouting, yelling and giving the players or even umpires jazz. As long as they don't swear at them or throw anything on the field. Players on the other hand have to be mature when playing and they really need guidance from the coach when they cross the line.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 07, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 07, 2009, 01:59:54 PM
I found it funny viddawg!.. and nerd incase you cant read correctly.. I SPECIFICALLY SAID
FIRST REAL TEST
I believe this will BE THIER FIRST because blackburn did play a game well at webster and it is also hard to play at blackburn thus making it their FIRST... If you dont agree you are entitled to that but you need to settle down your antics. So far all you have done is come in here for 10 posts and bitch and moan about what other people say about webster and then defend them till the end of the day on how great they are and how htey have no weaknesses. UNTIL they go undefeated in the sliac, which IS possible, then get out of the regional, then you can come back and talk to us about how great they are.. and yes i know, last year they were two outs away, but ya know what they didnt quite get those two outs. SO im sure you will have something stupid to post back to this, just dont expect a response, because everyone on here EXCEPT you loves baseball, and the sliac (regardless of how down it is) and enjoy watching EVERY team. Yes we have our favorites but we dont come on here to start fights, we come on here to talk baseball. so dont expect many more people to reply to your messages.
Ok so everyone stop posting till you're team gets out of the regional and goes undefeated in conference. Ha seems like it could get boring in here waiting for that. I dont know why we have to downplay a good accomplishment. Hand it over to last years team and move on. No need to bring last year into this.
Hangem...You got about fifteen pages of history to read so you can understand the context. oneandonly gets all the slack he wants.
In the last 6 years of baseball, I have seen the play that blackburn does where the pitcher does the fake throw into the outfield at least twice a year. Two years ago blackburn ran the play 4 times, all 4 it worked. its usually used in high pressure situations with new players on the field aka freshmen/transfers. and as bush league as it is, as immature as it may seem, it gets outs in big situations.. last time i check the game was about getting outs and scoring runs on the other side.. SO whatever it takes my friend whatever it takes.. and videodawg, thanks for the backup much appreciated karma +1!
Well props to Blackburn on being aware when a freshman/transfer is in the game and on second base in a pressure situation. I would think that coaches make a point before every game they play Blackburn, NOT to fall for that. I understand that the point of the game is to get outs, and score runs, I just think that is a silly play. BUT there is no rule against it so, if it works, use it. I guess it is one of those things that will become a tradition in Beaver Town.
I was hoping base throwing would be a tradition. What was the story behind that?
Does anyone know.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 07, 2009, 06:05:53 PM
I was hoping base throwing would be a tradition. What was the story behind that?
Does anyone know.
Dont remember exactly how it happened but if I recall correctly it was a game back in '05 WU vs Blackburn @ GCS. It had been raining off and on the whole game and WU was up 4 - 0 going into the 6th when the game was suddenly called due to weather. Since 5 inn had already been completeted the win to WU and Neal went nuts stormed out of the dugout as well as multiple BB players. After arguing with the ump for several minutes Neal procedes down the 1st base line rips the base outta the ground and tosses it into RF.
And now that were on the topic of BB antics again who can forget the infamous boot? Alot of BB fans used to make the trip across the river to GCS well theyd sit on the 1st base side w/a boot connected to a rope. Whenever WU would make an error the boot would be tossed well onto the field near the 1st base line and reeled back in. Not sure if they do that anymore but BB fans were always well prepared for the opponent, always knew your name where you're from, your current stats, hell sometimes they knew your parents names lol. Always fueled the fire for a great rivalry.
Now that is funny. The boot thing kills me. Great story! I bet a Blackburn guy has a different recollection on the base thing.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 07, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
1. Webster
2. Maryville
fourth is up for grabs. Font, Eureka or a sleeper.
Thats my 2 cents.
fourth should go to fontbonne, they need to improve their pitch locations though. They didnt really have a pitcher that threw really hard but they still left pitches up in the zone and those pitches will get hit in any league. They dont throw hard enough to blow it by hitters up in the zone.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 07, 2009, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 07, 2009, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 07, 2009, 01:59:54 PM
I found it funny viddawg!.. and nerd incase you cant read correctly.. I SPECIFICALLY SAID
FIRST REAL TEST
I believe this will BE THIER FIRST because blackburn did play a game well at webster and it is also hard to play at blackburn thus making it their FIRST... If you dont agree you are entitled to that but you need to settle down your antics. So far all you have done is come in here for 10 posts and bitch and moan about what other people say about webster and then defend them till the end of the day on how great they are and how htey have no weaknesses. UNTIL they go undefeated in the sliac, which IS possible, then get out of the regional, then you can come back and talk to us about how great they are.. and yes i know, last year they were two outs away, but ya know what they didnt quite get those two outs. SO im sure you will have something stupid to post back to this, just dont expect a response, because everyone on here EXCEPT you loves baseball, and the sliac (regardless of how down it is) and enjoy watching EVERY team. Yes we have our favorites but we dont come on here to start fights, we come on here to talk baseball. so dont expect many more people to reply to your messages.
Ok so everyone stop posting till you're team gets out of the regional and goes undefeated in conference. Ha seems like it could get boring in here waiting for that. I dont know why we have to downplay a good accomplishment. Hand it over to last years team and move on. No need to bring last year into this.
Hangem...You got about fifteen pages of history to read so you can understand the context. oneandonly gets all the slack he wants.
Hey now easy fella's lets not forget sarcasm and that this doesnt have to be a cut throat board. I was simply trying to make a point that not all fans are quite as extreme as the one you were arguing with yesterday. AND that no matter what happens lets just let the accomplishments of past years stay that way... in the past years. Everyone besides baseball nerd can agree that Webster has not proven anything YET. Hopefully they can do big things, but until then, lets live in the present. All i'm trying to say there haha wasn't trying to be hostile.
Quote from: WashedUP07 on April 07, 2009, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 07, 2009, 06:05:53 PM
I was hoping base throwing would be a tradition. What was the story behind that?
Does anyone know.
Dont remember exactly how it happened but if I recall correctly it was a game back in '05 WU vs Blackburn @ GCS. It had been raining off and on the whole game and WU was up 4 - 0 going into the 6th when the game was suddenly called due to weather. Since 5 inn had already been completeted the win to WU and Neal went nuts stormed out of the dugout as well as multiple BB players. After arguing with the ump for several minutes Neal procedes down the 1st base line rips the base outta the ground and tosses it into RF.
And now that were on the topic of BB antics again who can forget the infamous boot? Alot of BB fans used to make the trip across the river to GCS well theyd sit on the 1st base side w/a boot connected to a rope. Whenever WU would make an error the boot would be tossed well onto the field near the 1st base line and reeled back in. Not sure if they do that anymore but BB fans were always well prepared for the opponent, always knew your name where you're from, your current stats, hell sometimes they knew your parents names lol. Always fueled the fire for a great rivalry.
This is very close but not quite right. I was on the team in 05.. merely a freshmen, but remember it like it was yesterday. A player on our squad had bases loaded and cleared the bases on a hit down the first base line.. it rolled into the right field corner, the rightfield bobbled it, the hitter got an inside the park homerun. AFTER the player was back in the dugout, they called the ball foul and made all the runners return to the field. that was when it all hit the fan. Neal got escorted out by the police from the entire stadium, on his way out of the dugout he told us, if that doesnt pump you up, i dont know what will. end scene. ha!
Now that's a story. You'll never forget that day til the day you die. That's why you play. That's why I played. Geez I love baseball.
Must be a lot of good Neal stories out there I have some good ones and didnt even play for the guy, I guess you would remember the '05 SLIAC conf tourney, first game WU vs BB WU was the visiting team. Our leadoff hits a ground ball to the SS who boots it. I glanced into the BB dugout and see clipboard slammed to the ground papers go flying everywhere, no kidding first play of the game lol you can guess whose hand that clipboard flew out of. Extremely competitive coach nonetheless.
Its good to see you blackburn and webster guys getting along haha. I know while you're in season or still playing, thats just not the case. Huge rivalry. but thats what makes the SLIAC so great. so many rivalrys! Then you can turn around and be friends after.
I would like to mention a couple of guys who have been on a aboslutle tear for the first half of the season.
First on of my dark horse picks at the beginning of the season... Dakota Huey of Webster
He is hitting .449 in 24 games. 40-89. 28 runs, 9 doubles, 2 homers, and 23 Rbis. One heck of a start for this guy.
Also....
Robert Huckstep of Maryville, who was not one of my dark horses. He is currently having a BREAKOUT season.
He is hitting .452 in 20 games. 33-73. 14 runs, 11 doubles, and 22 rbis...
And while im typing I want to throw in one more guy. Adam Cadle of Blackburn. Not many people knew about him starting the season so he also was not one of my dark horse picks.
He is hitting .419 in 19 games. 31-74. 22 runs, 4 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homerun, and 13 rbis. Not bad for a guy who took a year off school/baseball.
its pretty sad that when someone comes on here and talks trash we fill up 5 pages and when we come on here and talk baseball, no one comments. sad.
Ok I'll start trash talking. ;)
Actually there are some surprises so far this season, but I feel it is still too early to count anyone out. Some teams have played just over a half dozen games and the team stats could swing wildly.
Blackburn needs to split this week take two out of the next four. If they do they are legit and should be in the post season. They need pitching, but more importantly great defense. What are they doing about the catcher situation?
Webster takes the third game from Blackburn at Blackburn. Definitely didn't see any crazy antics or roudy fans. I was slightly dissapointed. Both teams seemed well behaved, no "bushleague" yelling this time. Webster won 18 to 4 I believe. Something like that. Anyone else play today? Scores?
well i know our genius panel of D3 board sportswriters has decided to ignore my posts(are we in third grade? Videodawg must be your parents saying if you ignore him he will go away?) but im still here and im going to put my 2 cents in.
Well for all of you who thought websters yelling at a player for being outrageous and posting personal stats on d3boards, heres an even better one from Blackburn.
Todays game was stopped in the top of the first inning after the Raetzloff walked to begin the game so that a Blackburn player could come rake the field. Whats the significance? Well after the play Blackburns first baseman is quoted on saying to Raetzloff that their coach watered the field down on purpose so it would interfere with Webster's baserunning specifically stealing. Not only is this the most Busch League thing on earth but it interfered with the game as it had to be stopped for 10 minutes.
I dont ever want to hear anything from the high and mighty Videodawg about Webster being classless, because Blackburn is the most classless team in the country by doing crap like this.
And as for the game, i thought this was supposed to be Webster's first real test? A 13 point Win is certainly not a test at all.
Well pitched game by the Gorloks(Duhadaway, Stanley, Gebhardt). Ball was stung well by the gorloks even though there was a tough wind blowing in the whole game. Fuiten had another good game as usual, but the biggest output of offense came from such a small source(literally and figuratively) Aaron Senzell. Senzell came though with many clutch hits and was spanking the ball with authority.
Big W for the Gorloks and should get their fourth win of the week after saturday's double header at Macmurray.
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 08, 2009, 10:25:38 PM
well i know our genius panel of D3 board sportswriters has decided to ignore my posts(are we in third grade? Videodawg must be your parents saying if you ignore him he will go away?) but im still here and im going to put my 2 cents in.
Well for all of you who thought websters yelling at a player for being outrageous and posting personal stats on d3boards, heres an even better one from Blackburn.
Todays game was stopped in the top of the first inning after the Raetzloff walked to begin the game so that a Blackburn player could come rake the field. Whats the significance? Well after the play Blackburns first baseman is quoted on saying to Raetzloff that their coach watered the field down on purpose so it would interfere with Webster's baserunning specifically stealing. Not only is this the most Busch League thing on earth but it interfered with the game as it had to be stopped for 10 minutes.
I dont ever want to hear anything from the high and mighty Videodawg about Webster being classless, because Blackburn is the most classless team in the country by doing crap like this.
And as for the game, i thought this was supposed to be Webster's first real test? A 13 point Win is certainly not a test at all.
Well pitched game by the Gorloks(Duhadaway, Stanley, Gebhardt). Ball was stung well by the gorloks even though there was a tough wind blowing in the whole game. Fuiten had another good game as usual, but the biggest output of offense came from such a small source(literally and figuratively) Aaron Senzell. Senzell came though with many clutch hits and was spanking the ball with authority.
Big W for the Gorloks and should get their fourth win of the week after saturday's double header at Macmurray.
I mean i will agree with the fact that the whole field was dry besides the one spot where everyone gets their leads. I also overheard conversations where Blackburn players were pissed at the way Coach Neal did this. So i wouldnt say that they are the most classless team in the country. Just a little bit harsh. Neal has done this for the last two years that I've been able to make it to the blackburn games. I heard they were using their best pitcher in the catcher spot sometimes?? As for the true test, I still believe this will be the Maryville series.
BTW we use runs here nerd... Ha :D
you right pretty harsh, but im just a little heated that im gettin attacked when videodawg was the one on here startin the arguments...and you are correct baseball is runs, i was still in final four mode
Suprised that this game wasnt closer Blackburn usually plays tough at home, always windy out there. Guess the rivalry has somewhat fizzled out.
Coach Neal's base toss was one of my most memorable baseball moments. At least he has a pulse. Your right WashedUp, Blackburn was always a tough place to play. I guess Webster has exercised (or is it exorcised) those demons.
walks KILLED Blackburn yesterday.. that and the fact that Webster got base hit after base hit, then double after double. They played very well and basically steamrolled over blackburn. Just so everyone knows many teams do the bush league, watering down the field. Some also let the grass grow longer if they want the ball to roll slowly or cut it short if they they want it to get to their infielders quick, Same deal with the outfield. I hate to say it but this is used in more than one sport and isint necessarily bush league, its stratedgy. Obviously it didnt matter yesterday so we should be able to get past that small bit of information.
I'm not even a Blackburn fan, but I'm OK with the watering of the infield. I think cheating is when you do something to give YOURSELF a competitive edge. Blackburn had to take a leadoff in the same area that Webster did. If you leave the grass long to slow down ground balls, the other team has to play on the same infield. Bush league, maybe. Cheating, not so much. Obviously it didn't give Blackburn the edge they thought it would.
When Kenny Rogers used pine tar against the Cardinals in the '06 WS, that was cheating.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 08, 2009, 11:49:30 PM
Quote from: bballnerd1967 on April 08, 2009, 10:25:38 PM
well i know our genius panel of D3 board sportswriters has decided to ignore my posts(are we in third grade? Videodawg must be your parents saying if you ignore him he will go away?) but im still here and im going to put my 2 cents in.
Well for all of you who thought websters yelling at a player for being outrageous and posting personal stats on d3boards, heres an even better one from Blackburn.
Todays game was stopped in the top of the first inning after the Raetzloff walked to begin the game so that a Blackburn player could come rake the field. Whats the significance? Well after the play Blackburns first baseman is quoted on saying to Raetzloff that their coach watered the field down on purpose so it would interfere with Webster's baserunning specifically stealing. Not only is this the most Busch League thing on earth but it interfered with the game as it had to be stopped for 10 minutes.
I dont ever want to hear anything from the high and mighty Videodawg about Webster being classless, because Blackburn is the most classless team in the country by doing crap like this.
And as for the game, i thought this was supposed to be Webster's first real test? A 13 point Win is certainly not a test at all.
Well pitched game by the Gorloks(Duhadaway, Stanley, Gebhardt). Ball was stung well by the gorloks even though there was a tough wind blowing in the whole game. Fuiten had another good game as usual, but the biggest output of offense came from such a small source(literally and figuratively) Aaron Senzell. Senzell came though with many clutch hits and was spanking the ball with authority.
Big W for the Gorloks and should get their fourth win of the week after saturday's double header at Macmurray.
I mean i will agree with the fact that the whole field was dry besides the one spot where everyone gets their leads. I also overheard conversations where Blackburn players were pissed at the way Coach Neal did this. So i wouldnt say that they are the most classless team in the country. Just a little bit harsh. Neal has done this for the last two years that I've been able to make it to the blackburn games. I heard they were using their best pitcher in the catcher spot sometimes?? As for the true test, I still believe this will be the Maryville series.
BTW we use runs here nerd... Ha :D
This so called best pitcher has a 9.00+ era this season so perhaps he was destined to be behind the plate ha!
Quote from: MyArmHurts on April 09, 2009, 09:40:47 AM
I'm not even a Blackburn fan, but I'm OK with the watering of the infield. I think cheating is when you do something to give YOURSELF a competitive edge. Blackburn had to take a leadoff in the same area that Webster did. If you leave the grass long to slow down ground balls, the other team has to play on the same infield. Bush league, maybe. Cheating, not so much. Obviously it didn't give Blackburn the edge they thought it would.
When Kenny Rogers used pine tar against the Cardinals in the '06 WS, that was cheating.
Unless I missed something, Blackburn did not have one stolen base attempt in the 3 game series. So with a Webster team wanting to run and a Blackburn team that obviously knew they wouldnt or couldn't, this is giving them a competitive edge by taking away a strength of Webster. But theoneandonly is right and it didn't matter yesterday, but could make a difference to some of the other teams they do play because Blackburn obviously has no catcher at the moment. So other teams will look to run. As for saying a lot of teams do it, I have honestly never seen anyone else do it. So either I just got lucky or it doesn't happen as much as people want to think.
In all retrospect, no one is stopped from doing this. There are no rules against it, theres nothing that stops any team from doing it. PLUS like stated before it also prevents BLACKBURN from stealing as well, so its a double edged sword.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 09, 2009, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: MyArmHurts on April 09, 2009, 09:40:47 AM
I'm not even a Blackburn fan, but I'm OK with the watering of the infield. I think cheating is when you do something to give YOURSELF a competitive edge. Blackburn had to take a leadoff in the same area that Webster did. If you leave the grass long to slow down ground balls, the other team has to play on the same infield. Bush league, maybe. Cheating, not so much. Obviously it didn't give Blackburn the edge they thought it would.
When Kenny Rogers used pine tar against the Cardinals in the '06 WS, that was cheating.
Unless I missed something, Blackburn did not have one stolen base attempt in the 3 game series. So with a Webster team wanting to run and a Blackburn team that obviously knew they wouldnt or couldn't, this is giving them a competitive edge by taking away a strength of Webster. But theoneandonly is right and it didn't matter yesterday, but could make a difference to some of the other teams they do play because Blackburn obviously has no catcher at the moment. So other teams will look to run. As for saying a lot of teams do it, I have honestly never seen anyone else do it. So either I just got lucky or it doesn't happen as much as people want to think.
Just to feed you some info, Blackburn Has successfully stolen 25 bases, and webster 41. Stolen bases are not out of the picture for blackburn. In those couple of windy games the runners didnt need to be stealing because the team was already down so much
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 09, 2009, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 09, 2009, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: MyArmHurts on April 09, 2009, 09:40:47 AM
I'm not even a Blackburn fan, but I'm OK with the watering of the infield. I think cheating is when you do something to give YOURSELF a competitive edge. Blackburn had to take a leadoff in the same area that Webster did. If you leave the grass long to slow down ground balls, the other team has to play on the same infield. Bush league, maybe. Cheating, not so much. Obviously it didn't give Blackburn the edge they thought it would.
When Kenny Rogers used pine tar against the Cardinals in the '06 WS, that was cheating.
Unless I missed something, Blackburn did not have one stolen base attempt in the 3 game series. So with a Webster team wanting to run and a Blackburn team that obviously knew they wouldnt or couldn't, this is giving them a competitive edge by taking away a strength of Webster. But theoneandonly is right and it didn't matter yesterday, but could make a difference to some of the other teams they do play because Blackburn obviously has no catcher at the moment. So other teams will look to run. As for saying a lot of teams do it, I have honestly never seen anyone else do it. So either I just got lucky or it doesn't happen as much as people want to think.
Just to feed you some info, Blackburn Has successfully stolen 25 bases, and webster 41. Stolen bases are not out of the picture for blackburn. In those couple of windy games the runners didnt need to be stealing because the team was already down so much
So early in games and even in the game they were winning they did not attempt. So obviously they did not think they could run. I was obviously proven right by their lack of attempts in every game. If they were a stealing threat they could have put pressure on the defense/pitcher/backupcatcher and force mistakes. They did not. What more is there for me to prove about this situation. I dont see where statistics has a part of this argument when the three games have already been played, the truth is laid of for us.
A quick check of boxes shows a real Blackburn weakness, although they are not out of the conference playoffs and could still make it in. Their two starting catchers at the beginning of the season are out. Wasson quit and the other is injured and out for the season.
A new comer and inexperienced catcher Cronin (I can't find any catching stats for this guy in HS or any other league) has been behind the plate most.
Then their pitching ace coming into the season Ward is pulling double duty, on the mound and behind the plate. Ward caught at Murphysboro High School, was their primary starter at the position as a senior and their #2 pitcher behind Charlie Weber a Div. 1 pitcher who played at Southern Illinois University - Carbondale. Also caught Legion ball and even would pitch the first game of a double header then catch the second. But there are no stats at Blackburn for him in that position prior to this year.
Their 3rd catcher is Snidle. I see no experience other than this year behind the plate in any league or High School.
They are thin and looking for volunteers.
Very unlike Blackburn not to be running thats usually their forte, they win by forcing other teams into mistakes in pressure situations, interesting stat as stated above 0 stolen bases? Even when they're down big it wouldnt suprise me to see Neal coaching aggresively.
Well like i said before, if I didnt miss anything. I was at all three games and suppose i could have missed an attempt. But not that i remember.
Sorry for the facts about the current catchers but I forgot the make my point. It is the catchers that are the issue when watering the field. Not Webster's speed vs. Blackburn's.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 09, 2009, 02:20:37 PM
A quick check of boxes shows a real Blackburn weakness, although they are not out of the conference playoffs and could still make it in. Their two starting catchers at the beginning of the season are out. Wasson quit and the other is injured and out for the season.
A new comer and inexperienced catcher Cronin (I can't find any catching stats for this guy in HS or any other league) has been behind the plate most.
Then their pitching ace coming into the season Ward is pulling double duty, on the mound and behind the plate. Ward caught at Murphysboro High School, was their primary starter at the position as a senior and their #2 pitcher behind Charlie Weber a Div. 1 pitcher who played at Southern Illinois University - Carbondale. Also caught Legion ball and even would pitch the first game of a double header then catch the second. But there are no stats at Blackburn for him in that position prior to this year.
Their 3rd catcher is Snidle. I see no experience other than this year behind the plate in any league or High School.
They are thin and looking for volunteers.
None of the three have college catching expirence. AND Ward is the only one with ANY catching expirence at all. It truely is their weakness this season unlike years in the past. Hopefully Mike will do some hard recuriting this summer and pull in a LARGE class of 15 because from what it looks like, they have a few seniors that make up a majority of their weak starting class graduating at the end of the year.
Those set to graduate:
Steckel - 2nd base
Holman - 1st base
Snidle - 1st base/dh/OF/3rd string Catcher
Ward- Ace
Vallero - Knuckleball Reliever
Ozee - #2 pitcher
Already Lost Wasson because he quit, Wilhelmi may never return from his injury...
so all in all they are looking at being down 8 players since the start of this season going into next. I know its still at the midway point of this season... but its never to soon to start looking around! Mike you have some work to do!
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 09, 2009, 03:12:40 PM
Sorry for the facts about the current catchers but I forgot the make my point. It is the catchers that are the issue when watering the field. Not Webster's speed vs. Blackburn's.
I agree completely, but the ability of webster's pitchers to hold runners on and them doing a good job of varying looks helped keep blackburn from attempting. Webster's catcher can throw a little bit too, the combination is tough to run on.
Also a team like Blackburn who stuggled a lot at the begining of the season with strike outs might not want to risk strike out/throw out double plays OR having the hitters take a pitch, so the runner can steal (which could get them behind in the count). All that added in with a good arm behind the plate and pitchers who keep runners close makes me think that they were not planning on going anywhere. I would look for them to get back into the running game when they are ahead in games and whatever happend to the hit and run? Nothing helps both protecting runners and making your players who are having trouble pulling the trigger more.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 09, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 09, 2009, 03:12:40 PM
Sorry for the facts about the current catchers but I forgot the make my point. It is the catchers that are the issue when watering the field. Not Webster's speed vs. Blackburn's.
I agree completely, but the ability of webster's pitchers to hold runners on and them doing a good job of varying looks helped keep blackburn from attempting. Webster's catcher can throw a little bit too, the combination is tough to run on.
Agreed.. I didn't want to slight Webster in my comments at all. They are very good at slowing any running game.
Interesting facts regarding Ward I found in a nexus search is that he was supposed to go to Blackburn with Ron and Zack Brooks twins from Murphysboro and friends from the Regional Champ team that produced a Big Ten (Michigan State) pitcher, Southern Illinois University pitcher, a shortstop at a Junior College, a Junior College catcher an Div III outfielder.
Ward was recruited by Missouri-Rolla, Lyons College and Evansville U. All for catching and pitching.
That Murphysboro team must have been something for a downstate, small school program.
For some reason the Brooks guys never found their way to college ball that I could find.
Looks like a lot of washouts for today.
is Blackburn the most hated team in the conference or what? They have a scumbag for a 1st basemen, and their fans are ruthless. Not just their fans, but the parents get into the action too. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Supposedly Ward threw at the head of Webster players? And Holman stepped on Fontbonne players when they dove back into 1st base? There's just no need for any of that. There's a big difference from playing hard, being a competitor, and being a dirty baseball player. Blackburn is dirty, from their coach, all the way to the parents.
Now that thats outta the way, lets talk some baseball. Any surprises now that we are halfway through the season? Did anyone expect Greenville to struggle the way they have? Thoughts on MacMurray playing close with a lot of teams?
When we talk individuals, you have to talk about Alan Cheatham from Prin and John Norvell from Maryville. Cheatham is hitting to all fields and is crossing the plate a lot. He is making a lot of errors though, but offensively is making a name for himself. Norvell is just a freshman at Maryville and is still hitting well over .500 halfway through the season. He only has 3 K's on the year, which is impressive as a freshman.
Raetzloff has surprised me this season for Webster. He only struck out 13 times all last season with over 150 at-bats and he already has 18 in only 90 AB's and is only hitting upper .200's. I think he will start to heat up, but this is uncharacteristic of him to struggle like this. By the looks of his fielding, it doesn't look like he's taking it to 2nd base though, which is good. Huey is really playing well with his mid .400 BA. He's leading the team in stolen bases and runs and is 2nd in Total Bases. Will Savage has really hit his stride on the mound with a K an inning. Webster will really need to rely on him to pitch well the rest of the way
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 11, 2009, 04:02:30 AM
is Blackburn the most hated team in the conference or what? They have a scumbag for a 1st basemen, and their fans are ruthless. Not just their fans, but the parents get into the action too. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Supposedly Ward threw at the head of Webster players? And Holman stepped on Fontbonne players when they dove back into 1st base? There's just no need for any of that. There's a big difference from playing hard, being a competitor, and being a dirty baseball player. Blackburn is dirty, from their coach, all the way to the parents.
Now that thats outta the way, lets talk some baseball. Any surprises now that we are halfway through the season? Did anyone expect Greenville to struggle the way they have? Thoughts on MacMurray playing close with a lot of teams?
When we talk individuals, you have to talk about Alan Cheatham from Prin and John Norvell from Maryville. Cheatham is hitting to all fields and is crossing the plate a lot. He is making a lot of errors though, but offensively is making a name for himself. Norvell is just a freshman at Maryville and is still hitting well over .500 halfway through the season. He only has 3 K's on the year, which is impressive as a freshman.
Greenville is an absolute shock. They have too good a coach to struggle like this. They did lose some excellent players from last year but at least I expected more on the shelf. MacMurray is a different circumstance. At times they played well last year despite the record. It was pitching they lacked not hitting. Of course they were awful on "D" last year.
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 11, 2009, 04:02:30 AM
is Blackburn the most hated team in the conference or what? They have a scumbag for a 1st basemen, and their fans are ruthless. Not just their fans, but the parents get into the action too. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Supposedly Ward threw at the head of Webster players? And Holman stepped on Fontbonne players when they dove back into 1st base? There's just no need for any of that. There's a big difference from playing hard, being a competitor, and being a dirty baseball player. Blackburn is dirty, from their coach, all the way to the parents.
Now that thats outta the way, lets talk some baseball. Any surprises now that we are halfway through the season? Did anyone expect Greenville to struggle the way they have? Thoughts on MacMurray playing close with a lot of teams?
When we talk individuals, you have to talk about Alan Cheatham from Prin and John Norvell from Maryville. Cheatham is hitting to all fields and is crossing the plate a lot. He is making a lot of errors though, but offensively is making a name for himself. Norvell is just a freshman at Maryville and is still hitting well over .500 halfway through the season. He only has 3 K's on the year, which is impressive as a freshman.
Dont believe everything you hear or read because most of this is not true. Ward is not afraid to brush players back but saying he was throwing at a players head, how can anyone determine that but him? THERE IS NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM that anyone but Ward himself can say that he was throwing at another players head. And i know Scott Ward personally, he doesnt look to injure players when trying to brush them back. So this assumption is just rediculous and im getting tired of reading it. Also, the first basemen in the past was somewhat "bush" he has cleaned up 100% this season, but again he never intentially stepped on a player, he does however deliver some hard taqs that arent always necessary. So dont start writing all this stuff on here when theres NO WAY you can say that this stuff is intentional, the only people that know that are the players themselves, even if it LOOKS intentional that doesnt always mean it is. So just keep praising your players, thats fine, but quit trying to drag down individuals. Im sure your some 45 year old washed up man trying to drag down 20 year olds on a message board.
I agree in the fact that ward most likely did not try to hit websters player. Ward did not exactly have pin point control that game. So when trying to put one inside it most likely got away from him. This happens. But who knows. Now in saying that, attacking someone personally only makes you look bad, not the person you attack. Good post till making yourself look like a chump by attacking someones personal oppinion. But also I understand throwing at someone if the situation calls for it, but if someone ever aims above the shoulders that's when it becomes bush in my eyes.
good 2 wins today for webster
game 1 webster wins 14-3 behind good pitching of quintus, and solid hitting from senzell and fuiten. Fuiten broke the Webster University career homerun record and senzell is looking like the best hitter in the SLIAC right now going 3 for 3 with 3 doubles.
game 2- now this was websters first real test of the season as it was the first game in a while where they have not beaten the opposing team by 10 runs. The final score was 3-0 but the entire game was still dominated by webster. Senzell had another solid game at the plate going 2-3 and Fuiten went yard again. Most surprising output of the day was former starter then reliever now starter again Bryce Law who threw a one hitter for WU.
Webster improves to 14-0 in the SLIAC and 17-10 overall.
Next game for WU is April 14 at Maryville University- Should be great games.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 11, 2009, 12:36:26 PM
I agree in the fact that ward most likely did not try to hit websters player. Ward did not exactly have pin point control that game. So when trying to put one inside it most likely got away from him. This happens. But who knows. Now in saying that, attacking someone personally only makes you look bad, not the person you attack. Good post till making yourself look like a chump by attacking someones personal oppinion. But also I understand throwing at someone if the situation calls for it, but if someone ever aims above the shoulders that's when it becomes bush in my eyes.
I've learned my lesson I'm not calling anyone out. Any notable results the boxes are so slow in coming out?
Why haven't I heard much talk about Dakota Huey. The kid is hitting .422 and leads the team in stolen bases. Correct me if I am wrong, but he went to Murry State and transferred to Webster mid-way through his freshman year, right? I like what I see from him.
Quote from: SillyAC 07 on April 12, 2009, 08:13:07 AM
Why haven't I heard much talk about Dakota Huey. The kid is hitting .422 and leads the team in stolen bases. Correct me if I am wrong, but he went to Murry State and transferred to Webster mid-way through his freshman year, right? I like what I see from him.
Welcome to the boards SillyAC 07.
Discussion about individual players on the boards comes in the three types:
1) A serious fan of the conference who generally discusses numerous players from that conference that s/he has seen. I don't think that the SLIAC board has that specific fan yet.
2) A booster from the team in question (Webster in this case) who brings up player names and news about the team.
3) Relatives and close friends of the player mentioned.
Webster has had a good year. I see that Andrew Fuiten's Fielding percentage is only .775. Did he not make the move to LF easily?
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: SillyAC 07 on April 12, 2009, 08:13:07 AM
Why haven't I heard much talk about Dakota Huey. The kid is hitting .422 and leads the team in stolen bases. Correct me if I am wrong, but he went to Murry State and transferred to Webster mid-way through his freshman year, right? I like what I see from him.
Welcome to the boards SillyAC 07.
Discussion about individual players on the boards comes in the three types:
1) A serious fan of the conference who generally discusses numerous players from that conference that s/he has seen. I don't think that the SLIAC board has that specific fan yet.
2) A booster from the team in question (Webster in this case) who brings up player names and news about the team.
3) Relatives and close friends of the player mentioned.
Webster has had a good year. I see that Andrew Fuiten's Fielding percentage is only .775. Did he not make the move to LF easily?
Forgive him hes our protege as we were both senior OF's when he was a freshman we brought him up well. Hes on a tear now and making us proud! Moving infielders to OF has become a common practice since '06 for Webster.
1. I dont bash players because, yes, it is bush, but when every team in the conference dislikes the guy something has to be wrong with him. You want to talk about intentional, he fielded a bunt down the line and instead of backing up 3 feet to step on the bag, he runs at the batter and slams his glove in the players throat and after he knocked him down, stood over him like he's some sort of B.A.
Like I said before, I dont bash players normally but he definitely is an embarrassment to the SLIAC.
2. Fuiten has a lot of errors, but most, if not all were from 3rd base. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt he back in left field? Where did he transfer from? Lincoln? And did he drop a lot of bombs there too? It obviously helps when its 300 down the line and the fence is 3 feet high but the kid can mash.
3. I know the SLIAC is one of the worst conferences in D3, sorry guys but it is, but the way Webster has done in their non conference schedule and in regional play, do you guys ever see them working towards an at large bid in the next few years? They are ranked in the nation at times and prove they can win against the best teams in the country.
1. Who is the player that did this? And was it a game with a lot of jawing going on? Because that just sounds absolutely rediculous for a player to do that unprovoked!
2. If fuiten had hit ANY questionable home runs over the 300 foot fence I would take it into consideration. But everything he hits is either over or off of the big wall. So let's not talk distance :) the kid rakes at any field.
Anyone surprised about Maryville loving to blackburn?? Didn't see that coming. Looks like Webster could run away with this years conference title. Anyone think they will go undefeated?
Yes, they will
no and thats why I'm bringing it up. If there was any jawing going on I would give it SOME justification but thats why it was such a big deal. He's a dirty player period. And Fuiten hit the school record home run last year on a ball that should of been caught by the rightfielder.
Well ok one cheap one out of 13 was it? Not so bad in my eyes. Didn't see many other people doing that. Even with the short porch at Webster other teams didn't do jack. So no need to downplay one of the best hitters in the conference. Especially one of the major power hitters.
like I said, I'm not bashing him, I'm just asking if you guys think he can hit 13 home runs at any park. but yes, he is one of the best hitters in the SLIAC, but you did say he had NO cheap home runs
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 12, 2009, 11:01:49 PM
like I said, I'm not bashing him, I'm just asking if you guys think he can hit 13 home runs at any park. but yes, he is one of the best hitters in the SLIAC, but you did say he had NO cheap home runs
Well I was actually meaning to talk about this year when I said that haha. But if we want to combine years, then 1 out of 20... But either way, even if that 1 "cheap" one was taken out of the records, he still breaks the school home run record in 2 years. Very impressive. This isn't meant to be an argument, just giving credit where credit is due.
But on the other hand, a 305 foot homerun and a 450 foot homerun look the same on paper.
With the 3/4/5 spots still open in the Sliac, lets take a look at what the three in contention (Eureka, Blackburn and Fontbonne)have coming up...
Current Standings:
Webster (14-0)
Maryville (9-2)
Fontbonne (7-5)
Blackburn (9-7)
Eureka (6-5)
Principia (4-7)
MacMurray (4-12)
Greenville (2-9)
Westminster (2-10)
Lets start with Eureka(6-5)
My Prediction: Count them out
Why: They have the most games left in conference play which doesnt mean much, but when you look at who those are against, that does mean a lot. Eureka still has a 3 game set with Maryville (9-2), a 3 game set with Webster (14-0) and then 3 with greenville and Westminster. They also have make up game to play against Fontbonne (7-5). Although Greenville and Westminster have only two wins each, with sweeps of those teams, they would still have to beat a decent Fontbonne team, a RED HOT Webster team, and a very solid Maryville squad. I just dont see this happening.
Now these next two teams are the two I believe will have the true showdown..
Fontbonne
My Prediction: 4th
Why: I do believe that Fontbonne has a much tougher stretch then Blackburn does. In the next couple of weeks Fontbonne does only play one team with winning conference record. But that team happens to be a good Maryville team. At 9-2 Maryville dosent look like they are planning to give up that #2 seed anytime soon. In that series I believe Maryville will be taking 2 of the 3 games. That ends up putting Fontbonne in a tie with Blackburn for losses. They also must sweep Geenville (VERY LIKELY) and Principia (again VERY LIKELY). I believe that going into April 28th. Blackburn and Fontbonne will be playing for the 3 seed.
Blackburn:
My Prediction: 3rd
Why: Blackburn has an easy conference track up until their final conference game. The two teams left BESIDES Fontbonne are Macmurray and Westminster who combined sport a 6-22 record. Blackburn has to play flawless ball if they want to gain ground. Any amount of slipup could put them in 4th indefinatly. However IF Blackburn sweeps Mac and Westminster and Fontbonne loses only two more games (most likely to Maryville) There will be a true showdown for 3rd place AT BLACKBURN on April 28th. Also if Fontbonne does come in with 1 more loss than Blackburn but beat Blackburn resulting in a 3rd place tie, Fontbonne will get the 3rd place bid because right now the series is even at 1-1. Blackburn MUST make sure not to lose any more players because everyone who is playing now, serves a VITAL ROLE to the Beavers. They do have the weaker conference schedule left, BUT do face Texas-Dallas for a three game set AND Division 1 Eastern Illinois, all four games between the MacMurray and Westminster games. Blackburn also has one more gamr against Maryville at some point in time that they must win. They must try to win but also play somewhat conservative in order to keep everyone healthy for the games that are going to count in the end (conference games)
What this boils down to:
Fontbonne has a tougher stretch so they need to step up their game here this week, and the weeks to come. Blackburn, although they have the weaker schedule they cannot afford to lose ANY MORE conference games.
On a side note: It looks like Spalding wont be adding much competition to the conference next season. They currently are 7-21 but somehow ranked 9th in the USCAA. Someone fill me in on this because maybe I have some sort of misconception, but is the USCAA really THAT BAD to where a team that is 7-21 is ranked 9th in the Nation? Seems like the USCAA might be the one of the worst Athletic Associations ever.
Oneandonly- Fantastic work! + Karma for you... I try hard to keep up with the SLIAC, but you seem to have a much better grasp of the teams than I do.
Webster is obliterating the rest of the league. The 4-5-6 spots are going to be quite a battle that comes down to the final days of the conference schedule. Many teams will be scoreboard watching until the dust settles.
I think the USCAA is the United States College Athletic Association which has very few members and those that are in the association are generally very small and often pounded in their games as a result of their size. Don't let the ranking fool you. (Compare it to the Independent School's All-American team... which is usually littered with 7-8 Chapman players as a result of the small pool to choose from).
Here is a link to the website. I am not sure the members are NCAA members nor are they NAIA members. They have their own association.
http://www.theuscaa.com/sports/bsb/index (http://www.theuscaa.com/sports/bsb/index)
Oneandonly - Brilliant points. I don't think I would change a thing in your analysis. Only the X-Factor could change the outcome. Heart.
If a team catches fire they could come out on top. If they find a reason to win and it becomes a new habit, they could win but other than that your right on.
Videodawg, I couldnt agree with you more. Although i think Webster will take the crown, I THINK THE TOURNEY is a whole different story. Because thats where heart will completely take over. Once you get into the tourney, everyone is 0-0 regardless of what has happened in the past. In order to get out of the tourney you must win 3 games. You have to be 3-0 or 3-1 to get into the Regionals. And no matter if you are the 1 seed or the 4, you still have to win 3 games no matter what your previous record is. Like I said i completely agree with you, but i think the heart factor will set in during the SLIAC tourney (Personally ;D)
When I said "top" I was really talking about the 3, 4, 5 positions regular season.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 13, 2009, 04:56:39 PM
When I said "top" I was really talking about the 3, 4, 5 positions regular season.
oh i knew what ya meant
all this talk about the conference tourney is gettin me fired up!!! and we still have a lot of games to be played!
Here's my input on the conference tourney and the "heart" factor.
Webster has 1 senor that has been with the program all four years and thats Raetzloff. He is the heart and soul of the team. As a freshman, he had 7 at-bats. Then EXPLODED onto the leaderboards as a sophomore...
.399-Avg. 42-41 153-AB 56-R 61-H 14-2B 0-3B 4-HR 38-RBI 24-BB 4HP 21-K 30-32-SB
He has been around since day one and his senior year in the tourney will be something that he will not let end on any terms but the way HE wants it to. You can talk about Fuiten, and Huey, but to me, Raetzloff will be the one to carry his team in the tourney. Of course these guys know how to win, NCAA regional championship game last year, so they know what it takes.
Maryville has 5 seniors that have been with the program since day 1. These guys have been through the ups and downs no doubt. The seniors have had 1 sub .500 season, 1 .500 season, and 1 above .500 season and are looking to make it 2.
Allerdissen, Henkelman, Haven, and Murfin have been starters since they arrived on campus as freshman, and Bunton has been a role player. Personally, I think they have the MOST heart for the tourney. They lost the conference tourney because of the rain canceling the tourney and it has to be on their minds heading into the tournament this season.
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 13, 2009, 07:24:13 PM
all this talk about the conference tourney is gettin me fired up!!! and we still have a lot of games to be played!
Here's my input on the conference tourney and the "heart" factor.
Webster has 1 senor that has been with the program all four years and thats Raetzloff. He is the heart and soul of the team. As a freshman, he had 7 at-bats. Then EXPLODED onto the leaderboards as a sophomore...
.399-Avg. 42-41 153-AB 56-R 61-H 14-2B 0-3B 4-HR 38-RBI 24-BB 4HP 21-K 30-32-SB
He has been around since day one and his senior year in the tourney will be something that he will not let end on any terms but the way HE wants it to. You can talk about Fuiten, and Huey, but to me, Raetzloff will be the one to carry his team in the tourney. Of course these guys know how to win, NCAA regional championship game last year, so they know what it takes.
Maryville has 5 seniors that have been with the program since day 1. These guys have been through the ups and downs no doubt. The seniors have had 1 sub .500 season, 1 .500 season, and 1 above .500 season and are looking to make it 2.
Allerdissen, Henkelman, Haven, and Murfin have been starters since they arrived on campus as freshman, and Bunton has been a role player. Personally, I think they have the MOST heart for the tourney. They lost the conference tourney because of the rain canceling the tourney and it has to be on their minds heading into the tournament this season.
Well I wouldn't say that they lost because of a rain cancelation. That's a little generous to Maryville. They were losing 5-1 in the third inning and were about to knock the starting pitcher out of the game. But i do agree with everything else said.
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.
Quote from: depew24 on April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.
Well no one can argue that tallent is the deciding factor. You're very right, its not about getting jacked up for one game. It's about keeping a consistent intensity throughout a season. You cannot turn it on and off like a light switch.
FYI ... Fuiten has hit eight home runs on the season and only half has been at home ...
Can someone please tell me what this Karma thing is ... and why in the HELL is mine at -5 ...
since when does heart associate with getting hyped and jacked up to win?
and I never doubted Fuiten btw... i just said that it HELPS when you have a 300 ft fence, I already said the guy can mash. He just has it easier because with his strength, a normal fly ball out for him is a home run, and thats a tip of the cap to HIM, not a diss so chill out.
All I'm saying is, while everyone is already slotting Webster into regionals, I'm not gonna buy it just yet. I think it will get pretty interesting
I actually think its going to go exactly how this season has. If Webster sweeps the conference, which looks very possible, no team they play will have confidence going into it. Every team in this conference has already been beaten mentally by the dominant play this far. When you see teams that have beaten you get beat badly by another team, it knocks down the intensity level and the hope to win. I don't think any team believes they can beat Webster at this point. Now having said that, Maryville does have a chance to beat Webster. No one can say they don't because anything can happen. But, if somehow they do, it will give confidence going into the tournament. But if Webster goes undefeated in conference play, I think they win the tournament easy like they would have last year.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 14, 2009, 01:40:19 AM
I actually think its going to go exactly how this season has. If Webster sweeps the conference, which looks very possible, no team they play will have confidence going into it. Every team in this conference has already been beaten mentally by the dominant play this far. When you see teams that have beaten you get beat badly by another team, it knocks down the intensity level and the hope to win. I don't think any team believes they can beat Webster at this point. Now having said that, Maryville does have a chance to beat Webster. No one can say they don't because anything can happen. But, if somehow they do, it will give confidence going into the tournament. But if Webster goes undefeated in conference play, I think they win the tournament easy like they would have last year.
I agree with the above quote 100% mental edge is a big factor in victory. Webster has not lost a conference tourney game in what the past 4 - 5 years? Then again I have to play devil's advocate in saying that anything can happen, who would've thought Fresno State would've knocked off a powerhouse like Georgia for the NCAA Div I title?
Quote from: depew24 on April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.
I Disagree with this. There is a certain heart factor. Wether you want to believe it or not, that is why baseball is such a great team...
ANY TEAM CAN BEAT ANY OTHER TEAM, ON ANY GIVEN DAY! Now if you dont want to admit that, well then you're just lying to yourself. Some examples are the three Division III teams that have beat Division I teams this season, and the NAIA team that beat the Pittsburgh Pirates last week. Dont get me wrong now, it does require a certain "talent level" BUT clearly like stated above
ANY TEAM CAN BEAT ANY OTHER TEAM ON ANYDAY, it just depends on the situations.
EXAMPLE:If Webster were to throw a guy who threw 99mph, and a Lincoln Christian team stuck their bats out and got some bloop hits and scored 1 run, then they played a great defensive game, that turns into a LC win. Regardless of their "Talent Level"
I know it doesnt happen all the time but the thing is it
COULD happen and
DOES a lot more than people realize. So until the
END of the season, tourney and all, you cannot tell me that
I am
WRONG because so far, Im not, neither or you, or anyone for that matter. We will
ALL just have to wait and see.
Talent does NOT always win... if so then the Yankees would have won it all last year, and they did not even make the post-season.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2009, 10:10:06 AM
Talent does NOT always win... if so then the Yankees would have won it all last year, and they did not even make the post-season.
AGREE'D!
AGREE'D!
AGREE'D!
Quote from: depew24 on April 13, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
They didn't lose because of rain. They were saved by the rain. WU would have put up 10 more before that game was over. They didn't have a chance at all. So they should thank the rain for keeping it from being MUCH worse than it ended. For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make.
Sorry to be so blunt in my rejection of your hypothesis, but you know nothing about sports if you think that heart has anything to do with winning. There are way too many examples of teams with less talent beating teams with more. Why do coaches pins clippings on bulletin boards or spend money on motivational speakers? To interject emotion and heart into the situation.
Why do players clap in the dugout and swat each other on the butt? To keep their hands warm or latent homosexual tendencies (perhaps on your favorite team) but on all other teams it is to raise spirits, encourage, spur on, build heart and team.
Any sport is filled with emotion and heart. Heart will not always be the deciding factor but it is a factor. EVERY COACH knows this and uses it to his advantage. Here are just a few "losers" that agree with me and the books they wrote on the subject.
Beyond Basketball: Coach K's Keywords for Success by Mike Krzyzewski and Jamie K. Spatola
Get In The Game by Cal Ripken
Rebound Rules: The Art of Success 2.0 the Art of Success 2.0 by Rick Pitino and Pat Forde
The Winning Spirit: 16 Timeless Principles That Drive Performance Excellence by Joe Montana, Tom Mitchell, and Bruce Henderson
Please give me a list of books from pro players and coaches that say heart has nothing to do with out come and I will retract.
A certain amount of heart is required. Of course if you don't care and see talented you have a big chance to lose. But if you have no talent it doesn't matter how much heart you have. But obviously every one in d3 has the heart required to play. They aren't payed to be there. They are there because they love the game. I don't think heart will play a factor in the tournament because everyone in the tournament will have high intensity and loads of heart. It will come down to talent. If Webster had no heart then I would say that would be a factor. But seeing how they play day in and day out, this is not the case.
Webster should have the talent and heart to carry the tourney title, but we will see. More than one Goliath has been slain.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 14, 2009, 10:55:24 AM
A certain amount of heart is required. Of course if you don't care and see talented you have a big chance to lose. But if you have no talent it doesn't matter how much heart you have. But obviously every one in d3 has the heart required to play. They aren't payed to be there. They are there because they love the game. I don't think heart will play a factor in the tournament because everyone in the tournament will have high intensity and loads of heart. It will come down to talent. If Webster had no heart then I would say that would be a factor. But seeing how they play day in and day out, this is not the case.
I do respectfully disagree, I believe a lot of teams get big heads and
expect to win. and in all honesty thats the worst thing that can happen. Im not saying any team in particular, just saying it happens. I think they tourney, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A LOT OF SEASON LEFT, wont let anyone down. I think its up in the air and up there for anyone to grab.. obviously the regular season isint quite the same ha!
I see your points. But one thing I don't quite agree with, you say expecting to win is a bad thing. But I would rather see a team that expects to win every game. This only means that they are confident and play the game like it needs to be played. Saying that though, there is a fine line between confident and cocky. I see cockiness as the factor that will slow a team down, decrease hustle and cause upsets. But a confident team that never expects to lose is a good team. If you don't think your good enough to win every game you play then I don't see a strong attitude.
In light of this topic I would like to say that one classic story comes to mind for me. The 1980 Miracle on Ice. There are about 5 people on this board that would say that Webster is Russia. Without a doubt the most dominant team on the face of the SLIAC. No one can beat them EVER. They are better in every aspect of the game and they show more heart (which sometimes is and sometimes is not a factor. . . who ever the post comes from) than any team in the SLIAC. Then you have. . .any team that isn't Webster. No chance of making any noise because they have not prepaird the way Webster has and they are all too scared becuase they have been beaten so badly during the season (which the Russians did 10-3 in an exhibition match before the Olympics). But when that conference tourny starts it is a new feel. Pitchers go deeper into games and big players step up to get big hits. These are things that Webster has done all year without anyone answering the call. Do I think that other teams are scared of facing Webster in the tourny? No. I think everyone cannot wait to get one more chance at taking down the BIG GUY. This is all based on heart, determination, talent, and coaching. Webster may win the whole thing, they may not, all I am saying is nothing is given. If Webster comes in the tourny like the Russians did an upset would not surprise me. Saying it is a miracle is taking away credit from teams that worked hard all year to get ready to be in the top 4. Who ever makes it has an equal shot at winning it all. And if you think if a team that beats Webster in the tourny will not win after that. . . the Miracle on Ice was not even the Gold Medal game.
Haha good comparison. So if anyone beats Webster I'll await the movie showing in 2010. Just kidding. Everyone knows anything can happen. But Webster knows this as well. Everyone in the conference is guning for them. And this brings more motivation to the situation. But anything can happen. And who doesn't like to see an upset? Its why we play and watch the game. If the more talented team won everytime, we would have an extremely boring sport.
Quote from: SLIAC4LIFE on April 14, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
In light of this topic I would like to say that one classic story comes to mind for me. The 1980 Miracle on Ice. There are about 5 people on this board that would say that Webster is Russia. Without a doubt the most dominant team on the face of the SLIAC. No one can beat them EVER. They are better in every aspect of the game and they show more heart (which sometimes is and sometimes is not a factor. . . who ever the post comes from) than any team in the SLIAC. Then you have. . .any team that isn't Webster. No chance of making any noise because they have not prepaird the way Webster has and they are all too scared becuase they have been beaten so badly during the season (which the Russians did 10-3 in an exhibition match before the Olympics). But when that conference tourny starts it is a new feel. Pitchers go deeper into games and big players step up to get big hits. These are things that Webster has done all year without anyone answering the call. Do I think that other teams are scared of facing Webster in the tourny? No. I think everyone cannot wait to get one more chance at taking down the BIG GUY. This is all based on heart, determination, talent, and coaching. Webster may win the whole thing, they may not, all I am saying is nothing is given. If Webster comes in the tourny like the Russians did an upset would not surprise me. Saying it is a miracle is taking away credit from teams that worked hard all year to get ready to be in the top 4. Who ever makes it has an equal shot at winning it all. And if you think if a team that beats Webster in the tourny will not win after that. . . the Miracle on Ice was not even the Gold Medal game.
GREAT POST +1 Karma,
and Hangem, I think I didnt explain very well... you hit it right on the head of where i was heading. The cockiness is what i was trying to refer to but neglected to explain in detail.. you basically said what i was attempting at haha.
Hey, where did depew24 go????
Ah ok well at least it seems like we are all on the same page for once ha.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 14, 2009, 02:07:56 PM
Hey, where did depew24 go????
Right back where he belonged. 8)
Well Maryville and Webster are a wash for today. Should play tomorrow is what I hear.
I don't know how Maryville is going to fit in all of these rainouts. It will push their pitching staff if they are going to try to get them all in.
I'm right here VD.
First of all, that Yankees are NOT the most talented team in baseball, just the highest paid. Sorry for whoever said they were the most talented. You're wrong.
Second, Webster has more heart than any SLIAC team. There you go, sounds dumb right? BECAUSE IT IS! You can NOT say that one team has more heart just because they have more seniors on a team. That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. So stop it.
I guess if you want me to stop being correct about my Webster predictions then SOMEONE in the SLIAC beat them. If it's all about heart then just have more. Want it more. If talent doesn't play as big a factor then why are they undefeated in conference. Because they are better than everyone else.
You guys are talking about being cocky and I'm not sure you know if they are or not, you're not around them so don't make judgment calls like that. Not fair to say that about a group of people you don't know.
Here I am VD...
By the way, what are you the oneandonly of? Nice name.......oh yeah, I'm not on here all of the time because I do have a life outside of a D3 forum.
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
I'm right here VD.
First of all, that Yankees are NOT the most talented team in baseball, just the highest paid. Sorry for whoever said they were the most talented. You're wrong.
Second, Webster has more heart than any SLIAC team. There you go, sounds dumb right? BECAUSE IT IS! You can NOT say that one team has more heart just because they have more seniors on a team. That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. So stop it.
I guess if you want me to stop being correct about my Webster predictions then SOMEONE in the SLIAC beat them. If it's all about heart then just have more. Want it more. If talent doesn't play as big a factor then why are they undefeated in conference. Because they are better than everyone else.
Here I am VD...
By the way, what are you the oneandonly of? Nice name.......oh yeah, I'm not on here all of the time because I do have a life outside of a D3 forum.
Hey way to go, not responding to any of the valid points against your foolish argument. I'm assuming your reading comprehension scores were fairly low on the ACT's or SAT's so let me rephrase the arguments against your hypothesis that heart doesn't matter in sports.
Webster good.
Other teams not so good.
Other teams could try better show more heart.
Webster not try as better less heart that day.
Good team gets beat by not so good team.
I hope this will make it easier for you to understand. If not I could prepare a flow chart with simple drawings.
Way to go, again, attacking someone in order to try to make yourself look tough.
I'll keep it at this.
Webster has been the class of the SLIAC for a little while now. You can talk about heart and talent all you want but when it all comes down to it, just beat them. That's all.
And actually, i scored pretty well on my ACT. Enough to get into some pretty good private schools.
I understand the whole heart argument but you have no clue the heart of a team. YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT. So, yeah, you might be correct about them losing the conference tourney but you'll be wrong.
If you want to keep insulting someone intelligence over an internet message board it just shows your's
Talk to me when Webster loses the regular season conference title or the tournament title. Until then keep having 'heart'
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
By the way, what are you the oneandonly of? Nice name.......oh yeah, I'm not on here all of the time because I do have a life outside of a D3 forum.
My friend, i only made a joke, im not involved in this. If you want to find someone to argue with you've picked the wrong guy. That is my only response to this.
I was joking as well. Kind of wanted to know the answer but it's cool
On to new things, has anyone noticed the rediculous schedule that Blackburn will host the rest of this week? If not heres a run down (IF IT DOESNT GET RAINED OUT OF COURSE)
April 15th: Eastern Illinois University(24-6) -On a side note this team has also
beat #15 Oklahoma
-Have Brett Nommensen (.521, 11hrs, 26 RBI)
-Have Jordan Kreke (.435, 9hrs, 40RBI)
-Hitting .380 as a team with 58 HRS
April 18th: University of Dallas(17-8-1)
University of Dallas(17-8-1)
April 19th: University of Dallas(17-8-1) - Have Zach Atkins (.447, 10hrs, 46 RBI)
University of Dallas(17-8-1)
Beavers better play some tough ball or they could come out with 5 huge losses this weekend. Hopefully their pitching comes out in full force and scott ward gets his head on straight. otherwise... yeah, a longgggg weekend is ahead
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
I was joking as well. Kind of wanted to know the answer but it's cool
I can tell you.. I am the one and only of baseball. HA! that is all i can tell you because, i really just thought of the name off the top of my head.
depew - You still don't get it. You are the one that said that heart has nothing to with baseball you said, "For those of you who think that heart with the the 'x-factor', you're wrong. Talent will be the 'x-factor' and Webster has too much. Sorry. Baseball isn't a sport that you can get all jacked up for and then play really well. You need to play each game the same and that's what Webster does. Get all hyped up if you want but then you'll start to make mental errors that you don't normally make."
The majority of the comments were not about Webster at all, it was about the fact that intangibles like heart and desire can outweigh talent in any sport. The above is as simple as I can make it.
And this is as simple as i can make it.
SOMEONE BEAT WEBSTER!!!! With heart or talent.
Talent will win in the end.
Do you believe in the entire history of mankind that a team with heart ever beat a team with better talent? Simple question. Yes or no?
I believe that just because a team is more talented than another does not mean that they also do not have more heart!
How do you rate heart? Simple question. Answer that
To answer your question, yes, a less talented team can beat a team with more talent but i think in baseball, heart plays less of a factor. That's my opinion.
Up to this point Webster has not lost a conference game so at this point I don't care how much heart the other team has they have not won. And this is fact.
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 06:19:40 PM
I believe that just because a team is more talented than another does not mean that they also do not have more heart!
How do you rate heart? Simple question. Answer that
No one ever asserted that talent means no heart or that heart means no talent. Rating heart is the hardest thing to do in sports. As a coach, pushing your players to excel reveals heart. Usually you can tell a lack of heart easier. When the more talented team loses to the less talented. I have had that pit of my stomach feeling of winning when the odds were against us. Rating it is impossible but you just know when you have the better team on the ropes.
I answered yours you answer mine.
Do you believe in the entire history of mankind that a team with heart ever beat a team with better talent? Simple question. Yes or no?
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
To answer your question, yes, a less talented team can beat a team with more talent but i think in baseball, heart plays less of a factor. That's my opinion.
Up to this point Webster has not lost a conference game so at this point I don't care how much heart the other team has they have not won. And this is fact.
Due to your honest answer that yes a less talented team can beat a more talented team. We have no disagreement.
Ok fellas, instead of arguing why dont we look at this from a logical point of view. We all know that a team with no intensity/heart but all the talent in the world can get beat by a less talented team that keeps a consistant intensity. Now what do we consider heart? I consider it the intensity that an idividual or team keeps throughout the game, the focus and the drive to win. I dont believe heart has anything to do with getting hyped up. Its just the hate of losing and the strive for victory.
But I believe wholeheartedly that heart in baseball is proven in the offseason by workethic and drive. A kid that is in the weight room every day, hitting when no one else is, doing the extra agility work, watching as much baseball as possible to gain a greater understanding of the game. The work in the offseason is what brings out a GREAT regular season. I do believe that baseball is not a game that you can take time off and slack in the post season and then come out and be a stud. That is why heart is determined by the amount of work you do when NO one is forcing you to. Baseball is a game of repitition, the more GOOD swings you take, the better you will hit. Nothing more about it. The more ground balls you see, the better prepared you will be in a game. HEART BREADS TALLENT. Now the teams you see dominating now, are teams that have that focus and drive. It is not something you turn on for the post season, it is something you were born with, something that fuels everything you do.
Now obviously if we want to talk specifics, i think both maryville and webster have this drive, and it shows in the stat/records. I still believe it will be a good series and could make for a good post season. Heart will come into play when all of the preparation you have done is put in a pressure situation. It will make you make that extra play, but only because it forced you to work that much harder before hand. That's the way I see it, and thats the way it has been proven throughout all the baseball i have watched.
depew your being unreal right now. saying that I said having more seniors means more heart is completely wrong... Raetzloff has been around all 4 years and like I said, Maryville has 5 who have faced more adversity than Webster has. THEREFORE, I think Maryville has more heart. Whether or not heart affects the outcome of a game or not is hard to judge, but I think that heart can have a big impact in a game where two teams are evenly matched. I don't think Webster is THAT much better than Maryville and if it comes down to a close game, I think that heart will come into play. I brought up the Maryville having 5 seniors because they have been through the adversity of losing seasons and playing as freshman, and I think it will have an impact on their season this year as seniors. I think that they will want it really bad. I never once brought up Webster being better than any other team in the SLIAC, I simply was talking about having heart and wanting it more than any other team. Quit putting down other people to build yourself up, like you said, you can be as tough as you want on these message boards and it looks stupid.
Speaking of Webster, when is Combs supposed to be back?
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 14, 2009, 09:38:58 PM
depew your being unreal right now. saying that I said having more seniors means more heart is completely wrong... Raetzloff has been around all 4 years and like I said, Maryville has 5 who have faced more adversity than Webster has. THEREFORE, I think Maryville has more heart. Whether or not heart affects the outcome of a game or not is hard to judge, but I think that heart can have a big impact in a game where two teams are evenly matched. I don't think Webster is THAT much better than Maryville and if it comes down to a close game, I think that heart will come into play. I brought up the Maryville having 5 seniors because they have been through the adversity of losing seasons and playing as freshman, and I think it will have an impact on their season this year as seniors. I think that they will want it really bad. I never once brought up Webster being better than any other team in the SLIAC, I simply was talking about having heart and wanting it more than any other team. Quit putting down other people to build yourself up, like you said, you can be as tough as you want on these message boards and it looks stupid.
Speaking of Webster, when is Combs supposed to be back?
Not trying to be argumentative... Well maybe a little bit, for some fun ha. But wouldn't losing seasons get you accustomed to losing? And I would disagree that this is the type of adversity that will help in the long run. Now Webster has had adversity too, having two players that could have made a strong impact decide not to play and also losing a CAPTAIN for most of the season. Overcoming this adversity seems like good adversity to take into the post season. And i don't believe that maryville has faced the competition that Webster has, therefore I think the Maryville stats are slightly deceiving if you believe that Webster and Maryville are evenly matched. I think that Webster should handle Maryville easily. Now like i have said in the past, I think Maryville could make a game or two interesting if Webster doesnt play like they have been this whole season. Also, with Webster getting a little taste of success last year in the post season, I believe they have a deeper drive and need for the post season. But of course, who wouldnt "want it really bad" haha if they didn't they wouldn't step on the field.... Once again, don't take criticism to heart. This is all in my oppinion..
I have heard Combs has been throwing, but has yet to hit.
Fly,
That's fine that they have 5 players that have been around for 4 years but that does not mean they have more heart. That's a ridiculous statement. That's fine if you think that but I happen to disagree and thanks to this great country we can disagree. It's just unfortunate that you're wrong. I do know that WU wants it pretty bad after being 3 outs away from the college world series last season. They went through a lot a learned a lot getting there. I'm not putting people down that did not first do it to me.
By the way, you just contradicted your self.
"depew your being unreal right now. saying that I said having more seniors means more heart is completely wrong" and "Raetzloff has been around all 4 years and like I said, Maryville has 5 who have faced more adversity than Webster has. THEREFORE, I think Maryville has more heart." are saying the same thing.
We have a lot of players that have played for multiple teams, they have been through a change in school, I think that means that they have been through more adversity than being in one place the whole time.
Heart may have a little impact when the teams are evenly matched BUTTTTTT in this case WU is a much better team than Maryville so it doesn't matter.
STOP ACTING LIKE FIVE YEAR OLDS!!!!!!!!!! You guys are driving me nuts! Grow up and agree to disagree.
FYI: The last time I checked, the team that scored the most runs won, not the team with the most heart or the team with the most seniors or even the team witht the best uniforms. Some of you have turned this forum into a high school lunch room... STOP IT.
If you need to attack one another do it in a private message so those like me do not have to sift through 35 posts of junior high crap to find one or two valuable bits of information.
No one is posting useful infomation
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 11:11:00 PM
No one is posting useful infomation
Agreed. Most of what happens on the SLIAC board is a bunch of homers bashing other teams. A few posters provide valauble information at times, but how are we (myself and others) supposed to give your posts any credibility if the majority of your wording is useless or mean-spirited?
A few of you showed great promise early in the season as someone I could lean on for valuable SLIAC info, but the more this plays out, I feel I am wasting my time on the SLAIC board. Use this forum to promote your teams, not tear down others.
Sorry you feel like that. We are discussing
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 14, 2009, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: depew24 on April 14, 2009, 11:11:00 PM
No one is posting useful infomation
Agreed. Most of what happens on the SLIAC board is a bunch of homers bashing other teams. A few posters provide valauble information at times, but how are we (myself and others) supposed to give your posts any credibility if the majority of your wording is useless or mean-spirited?
A few of you showed great promise early in the season as someone I could lean on for valuable SLIAC info, but the more this plays out, I feel I am wasting my time on the SLAIC board. Use this forum to promote your teams, not tear down others.
Well most of us go to games and already have a pretty good understanding for it's players and teams alike. So if you would like to know something or have us keep you posted, ask a question. Any of us would be more than willing to help out. But not a whole lot of usefull information to give out quite yet, Webster is domination. Maryville has the 2 spot locked right now.
Batting avg
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1. Norvell, John, MUBS........ .524
2. Huckstep, Robert, MUBS..... .452
10.Allerdissen, Bill, MUBS.... .387
15.Henkelman, Chad, MUBS...... .358
Should be an interesting test for WU pitching tonight as Maryville has the majority of the hot bats in the SLIAC.
To try to bring back some credibility to this board I am going to REPOST my last post and then add some info about yesterdays two games.
-On to new things, has anyone noticed the rediculous schedule that Blackburn will host the rest of this week? If not heres a run down (IF IT DOESNT GET RAINED OUT OF COURSE)
April 15th: Eastern Illinois University(24-6) -On a side note this team has also
beat #15 Oklahoma
-Have Brett Nommensen (.521, 11hrs, 26 RBI)
-Have Jordan Kreke (.435, 9hrs, 40RBI)
-Hitting .380 as a team with 58 HRS
April 18th: University of Dallas(17-8-1)
University of Dallas(17-8-1)
April 19th: University of Dallas(17-8-1) - Have Zach Atkins (.447, 10hrs, 46 RBI)
University of Dallas(17-8-1)
Beavers better play some tough ball or they could come out with 5 huge losses this weekend. Hopefully their pitching comes out in full force and scott ward gets his head on straight. otherwise... yeah, a longgggg weekend is ahead
ALSO only two games were played yesterday... Westminster vs. Principia.
Scores: Prin 10- Westmin 3
Prin 15 Westmin 8.
Principia is playing much better than in the past and are now 6-7 in conference so they still have a chance to make it into the tournament, a very slim one, but a chance. This also drops Westminster to 2-12 in conference and 4-22 on the season. What happened to this squad that was supposed to have such a great season. It looks like Silver and Jett are doing fine, is it just the inability to get others to join in on the fun?
What happened to Westminster. If I recall correctly, they had some very good teams only a few years ago. I beleive they even made a run into the NCAA regionals?? Can someone correct me if I am wrong?
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 15, 2009, 09:43:16 AM
What happened to Westminster. If I recall correctly, they had some very good teams only a few years ago. I beleive they even made a run into the NCAA regionals?? Can someone correct me if I am wrong?
Yes, they were quite a solid team but close 10 years ago. Its weird to realize its 2009 already. They won the SLIAC title in 2000 (31-10) and 2001 (32-11). They were also the tournament champs in 1994, 1995, and 1999. Their regional record in combined 2000 and 2001 is 3-4. They did play fairly decent ball.
ALSO, looking back on the pre-season rankings which we all know dont always mean much... here is what they looked like and what the look like now.
(PLEASE MAKE NOTE THE SEASON IS NOT YET OVER)Pre-Season: Current
1 Webster 1 Webster
2 Maryville 2 Maryville
3 Westminster 3 Fontbonne
4 Eureka 4 Blackburn
5 Fontbonne 5 Eureka
6 Greenville 6 Principia
7 Blackburn 7 MacMurray
8 Principia 8 Greenville
9 MacMurray 9 Westminster
Biggest + Suprises: Blackburn and Fontbonne. Although Fontbonne has only jumped up two spots, they have played very well against in region teams including a win against Wash U early in the season. Also Blackburn played right with Marietta unfortunatly losing in their lead in an eventual loss in the 8th inning, but have stepped up with their slim roster and have put themselves in a good position to make the post season, nothing is set in stone yet, but everything is getting close.
Biggest - Suprises: Westminster. Pre season ranked 3rd in the conference it just seems like they cant put anything together. Jett and Silver have put up their usual numbers but like stated in previous posts no one else has decided to join them. They have had two games where they lost by a run, the rest werent very pretty. They have given up 10+ runs 14 times and 20+ runs 2 times. So far it has been a long season for the Blue Jays and I am sure Coach Pritchard will have some major changes in store for next season.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 24, 2009, 11:42:13 AM
well i will give it to you that Combs would have been in contention, however i dont really think schaefer is going to. Its only my opinion but I dont think Websters Back up catcher is going to out due some of the everyday catchers in the SLIAC. I just dont see that happening. Obviously we have about 25 more games to actually be able to tell anyway. haha. So what do you think about westmins slow start and Macs pretty decent start. And getting a win without Sellers?
Not to discredit theoneandonly, but the claim above has clearly been proven wrong. Doesn't look like any catchers in the SLIAC are challenging Schaefer. That being said, let's hear some opinions on the other All-SLIAC favorites at this point.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on April 15, 2009, 11:31:43 AM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 24, 2009, 11:42:13 AM
well i will give it to you that Combs would have been in contention, however i dont really think schaefer is going to. Its only my opinion but I dont think Websters Back up catcher is going to out due some of the everyday catchers in the SLIAC. I just dont see that happening. Obviously we have about 25 more games to actually be able to tell anyway. haha. So what do you think about westmins slow start and Macs pretty decent start. And getting a win without Sellers?
Not to discredit theoneandonly, but the claim above has clearly been proven wrong. Doesn't look like any catchers in the SLIAC are challenging Schaefer. That being said, let's hear some opinions on the other All-SLIAC favorites at this point.
Once again lets no get back to this. if you want to bring someone down. this is no longer the place. we only talk baseball here. you are allowed to express your opinion but in effort to make this a sliac BASEBALL board we are trying to steer people away from personal attacks. everyone makes predicitions. sometimes they are wrong. thats just how life is. perfect examples of mis predictions come every year in the "pre season polls" please refer to my last post
It looks like the only other one close is Dan horn. He doesn't quite have the offensive statistics. But he does play pretty good defense. I haven't seen another catcher that is even in the same class as schaefer or horn. But haven't seen Maryville prin or eureka. Anything coming out of there? Does not look like it statistically but anyone showing improvement? Or cause a first team upset in that spot? Who do you guys see taking new comer of the year?
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 15, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
Pre-Season: Current
1 Webster 1 Webster
2 Maryville 2 Maryville
3 Westminster 3 Fontbonne
4 Eureka 4 Blackburn
5 Fontbonne 5 Eureka
6 Greenville 6 Principia
7 Blackburn 7 MacMurray
8 Principia 8 Greenville
9 MacMurray 9 Westminster
While the SLIAC is a mess when compared to the Pre-season poll, I just posted on the CCIW board that the pre-season Coaches Poll and the current standings match exactly. Just goes to show that sometimes they get it right and other times not. Just thought it might interest some of you as it is almost time to start sizing up the Central Region for potential post-season picks.
I think the SLIAC will only get one team in this year. If Webster loses the tourney, I am not certain they are strong enough nationally to earn a Pool C bid. Oddly, this means the SLIAC season is nearly meaningless at this point unless a team is fighting to get into the SLIAC tourney. Once the games begin there, it will be a winner take all scenario.
I agree that only one team will come from the SLIAC. Unfortunately WU did not impress people on a national level on their Florida trip this year.
Here is who i think is in the most contention for SLIAC all conference catchers in this order:
Webster: Schaefer .336 (36-107) 11 Doubles 1 Triple 5 hr 28RBI 8walks .388 OB% .961 Fielding %
Fontbonne: Horn .266 (25-94) 6 Doubles 1 HR 21 RBI 8walks .333 OB% .989 Fielding %
Eureka: Knoblauch (18-59) 2 Doubles 8 RBI 4walks .359 OB% .950 Fielding %
Westmin: Beasley(in limited games) .459 (17-37) 4 Doubles 1HR 11 RBI 5walks
.524 OB% .955 Fielding %
I never said i knew all. I just didnt think Schaefer was going to shine. Obviously he is doing his part in the 14-0 Webster Run
Well looking at last years stats it didn't come as a big surprise to me.
He is doing his part as a hitter, the real need behind the plate is defense though. That is why so many catchers get drafted without putting up extremely high numbers.. defense is the first priority, and i wasnt sure how he would work out behind the plate. Thats what was behind my reasoning.
Ya that's understandable. He didn't catch a whole lot last year. But doing research that was his position in high school. But high school means nothing. Looks like not many people run on the combo of pitcher doing a good job being quick and picking at key times and a pretty good arm behind the plate. Not many people have tested the waters though. Maryville could change that though.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 15, 2009, 02:12:56 PM
Ya that's understandable. He didn't catch a whole lot last year. But doing research that was his position in high school. But high school means nothing. Looks like not many people run on the combo of pitcher doing a good job being quick and picking at key times and a pretty good arm behind the plate. Not many people have tested the waters though. Maryville could change that though.
yeah if they ever play, it looks like on the sliac site that the games have already been postponed. perhaps still wet field conditions?
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 15, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
Here is who i think is in the most contention for SLIAC all conference catchers in this order:
Webster: Schaefer .336 (36-107) 11 Doubles 1 Triple 5 hr 28RBI 8walks .388 OB% .961 Fielding %
Fontbonne: Horn .266 (25-94) 6 Doubles 1 HR 21 RBI 8walks .333 OB% .989 Fielding %
Eureka: Knoblauch (18-59) 2 Doubles 8 RBI 4walks .359 OB% .950 Fielding %
Westmin: Beasley(in limited games) .459 (17-37) 4 Doubles 1HR 11 RBI 5walks
.524 OB% .955 Fielding %
I never said i knew all. I just didnt think Schaefer was going to shine. Obviously he is doing his part in the 14-0 Webster Run
theoneandonly,
I really wanted to use that as a conversation starter rather than an attack. That is my own fault for not being specific. I was actually looking for opinions on everyone's mid-season All-SLIAC favorites at all positions, not just catchers. I just used one of the pleasant surprises (Schaefer) to get the conversation started to illustrate that the pre-season favorites at various positions (Horn, Raetzloff, etc.) aren't necessarily the favorites at this point.
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 15, 2009, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 15, 2009, 02:12:56 PM
Ya that's understandable. He didn't catch a whole lot last year. But doing research that was his position in high school. But high school means nothing. Looks like not many people run on the combo of pitcher doing a good job being quick and picking at key times and a pretty good arm behind the plate. Not many people have tested the waters though. Maryville could change that though.
yeah if they ever play, it looks like on the sliac site that the games have already been postponed. perhaps still wet field conditions?
I saw that too and made a quick phone call to find out the story. The website is incorrect. The twinbill starts at 5:00 tonight at Maryville. Should be a couple of good games.
If you SLIACers had to start a team using only SLIAC players, who would play your team? You have a three game series coming and your guys have to play the spots they play on thier team... no CFs moving to LF and the like.
C-
1B-
2B-
SS-
3B-
LF-
CF-
RF-
DH-
SP-
SP-
SP-
RP-
This is hard to do because players get moved everyday in the SLIAC
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 15, 2009, 02:52:29 PM
This is hard to do because players get moved everyday in the SLIAC
Play them where they have played then...
WU won the first game 8-1 and pitched a 2 hitter. Maryville threw Alex Kollack.
The second game WU was leading 4-0 after 5 and had only given up 2 hits thus far.
videodawg did webster prove to you that they run the conference. They absolutely smoked their "only competition" they had in the sliac. Great games today for webster....really proving themselves.
Class is shown by the people that don't need to talk about themselves or their team. Webster let their playing talk tonight so don't drag that down by talking crap to someone that it really isn't a big deal for. No need to make personal posts. Praise your team and leave the rest of it out
I think Newcomer is going to be either Kittel from Blackburn , Norvell from maryville, Cheatham from Prin, or Jett from Westminster. That being said, I think senzell or Little from Webster could get some votes in as well. Where do you vote Fuiten in, LF or 3b? Same with Raetzloff, CF or 2B?
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 16, 2009, 12:06:34 AM
I think Newcomer is going to be either Kittel from Blackburn , Norvell from maryville, Cheatham from Prin, or Jett from Westminster. That being said, I think senzell or Little from Webster could get some votes in as well. Where do you vote Fuiten in, LF or 3b? Same with Raetzloff, CF or 2B?
Good picks, Joe Biagini is putting up good numbers as well. But not quite as high as the guys you named. He does deserve some recognition as well. Raetzloff and Fuiten will have to be voted in the outfield. I believe they have played over 3/4 the games there. Their stay on the infield was very tenative.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 15, 2009, 02:30:35 PM
If you SLIACers had to start a team using only SLIAC players, who would play your team? You have a three game series coming and your guys have to play the spots they play on thier team... no CFs moving to LF and the like.
C-
1B-
2B-
SS-
3B-
LF-
CF-
RF-
DH-
SP-
SP-
SP-
RP-
I think it would be better if you could select three outfielders ... A player like Webster's Dakota Huey has nearly split his time between CF and RF this season.
Quote from: JAdaPrince on April 16, 2009, 01:27:11 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 15, 2009, 02:30:35 PM
If you SLIACers had to start a team using only SLIAC players, who would play your team? You have a three game series coming and your guys have to play the spots they play on thier team... no CFs moving to LF and the like.
C-
1B-
2B-
SS-
3B-
LF-
CF-
RF-
DH-
SP-
SP-
SP-
RP-
I think it would be better if you could select three outfielders ... A player like Webster's Dakota Huey has nearly split his time between CF and RF this season.
He has been prodominantly in right field. He only moved the few games raetzloff moved to the infield.
Not that it matters for conf tourney seeds but another interesting matchup coming up this weekend Fontbonne has a chance to overtake Maryville for 2nd place in the SLIAC, they'll have to take 2 out of 3 to get it done. Fontbonne is coming a tough loss vs a solid program in Illinois Wesleyan so we shall see...
Eureka took a big hit last night and may have put them selves out of the playoffs. They are still in the hunt, but they didnt play well last night in game 2 against greenville, they were 1 hit and committed 5 errors. If they continue to play like that, count them out. Also, Webster proved to be a force to be reckoned with again last night. Beat Maryville 8-1 and 5-0. bballnerd please dont comment on this. But it does look more and more like they will go undefeated in conference... They do still play Maryville one more time. If they dont upset it will be up to prin and eureka to put a damper on the Webster season, otherwise someone is going to have to do it in the tourney.. Then its do or die.
Im also starting to wonder who the Karma knocker is around here. I went down to points since yesterday and had NO controversial posts what so ever!
Quote from: flyonthewall on April 16, 2009, 12:06:34 AM
I think Newcomer is going to be either Kittel from Blackburn , Norvell from maryville, Cheatham from Prin, or Jett from Westminster. That being said, I think senzell or Little from Webster could get some votes in as well. Where do you vote Fuiten in, LF or 3b? Same with Raetzloff, CF or 2B?
I like this picks, but Blackburn possible new comer of the year should not be Kittel is should be Cadle. Just my opinion.. here are the statistical comparisons:
Cadle: .405 (34-84), 4 Doubles, 1 triple, 1 HR, 16 RBI, 3-3 SB, 6 walks, OB%.451, 9 errors(.900 fielding%)
Kittell: .250 (16-64), 2 doubles, no triples, 6 HR, 16 RBI, 1-2 SB, 8 walks, OB %.342, 9 errors(.883 Fielding%)
Just my opinion though. let me know what you think.
I agree cadle has been a strong force in the conference. Great addition this year.
Here is a link to the article on websterathletics.com
http://websterathletics.com/news/2009/4/15/BB_0415092108.aspx
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 16, 2009, 09:11:06 AM
Eureka took a big hit last night and may have put them selves out of the playoffs. They are still in the hunt, but they didnt play well last night in game 2 against greenville, they were 1 hit and committed 5 errors. If they continue to play like that, count them out. Also, Webster proved to be a force to be reckoned with again last night. Beat Maryville 8-1 and 5-0. bballnerd please dont comment on this. But it does look more and more like they will go undefeated in conference... They do still play Maryville one more time. If they dont upset it will be up to prin and eureka to put a damper on the Webster season, otherwise someone is going to have to do it in the tourney.. Then its do or die.
Im also starting to wonder who the Karma knocker is around here. I went down to points since yesterday and had NO controversial posts what so ever!
How do you even knock Karma? I have clearly been hit as well.
Once you clear 200 posts you are awarded the ability to give or knock karma points to posters. Generally, here is how it works:
1. make a great post that has useful information (+ karma from other posters)
2. Make a negative or attacking post (- karma from posters)
3. The most important... if you speak poorly abut the team of a rabid fanatical poster, you will quickly be dinged by that poster... even if your post is 100% correct. Some guys cannot handle the truth.
It is simply a way to pat others on the back or let them know they crossed the line.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 15, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
It looks like the only other one close is Dan horn. He doesn't quite have the offensive statistics. But he does play pretty good defense. I haven't seen another catcher that is even in the same class as schaefer or horn. But haven't seen Maryville prin or eureka. Anything coming out of there? Does not look like it statistically but anyone showing improvement? Or cause a first team upset in that spot? Who do you guys see taking new comer of the year?
One thing I absolutley hate about naming All-Conference teams is that it is predominantly based on your offensive statistics that other coaches can see online. Each coach really only gets the opportunity to see what other teams' people can do a few times a year. usually first team all-conference selections seemed to be more of a "silver slugger" type award. To me, the first team all-conference catcher is the guy that controls his pitching staff, is a wall behind the plate, is a team leader. Not necessarily the catcher that had the highest batting average. It's too difficult I suppose to incorporate defense traits into voting for all-conference awards. Schaeffer and Horn are both good defensively, so I'm not singling either of them out, just making an observation.
hello everyone, long time reader first time poster. i read this board and the sliac basketball boards, but i really love baseball more. i have watched the sliac compete for the past 5 years and i just wanted to throw in some of my thoughts.
After reading all the stuff you have all posted i feel as if some people really want to attack the people who defend Webster. you tell these posters like depew24 and bballnerd that they shouldn't comment but this is a public board. and moreover these two are just showing some confidence in their team that has gone undefeated in conference play so far and sometimes they go a little overboard and boast about no one in the sliac being a real test for webster, but i think these posters are just trying to represent for their teams (with a little joking in there as well ;)) just like anyone else on this board wants to defend mu, fu, bc or wc
But back to baseball, i watched the webster-maryville games last night and webster's pitching really shut down Maryville. Both broughton and savage pitched two-hit games and broughton recorded a complete game shut-out. some people like to say that webster's pitching took a hit with the graduation of mckinley, hilliard and mueller but they're not scraping the bottom of the barrelling for talent. Quintas, Law, Savage and Broughton have thrown some jems. I give credit to pitching coach Mike Stawski, because he was able to turn Wes Hilliard from a one-time shortstop/1st basemen to a top sliac pitcher
and as far as heart, the webster guys were three (or 6 outs if you read their shirts) from the school's first world series apparence...those guys had a taste and they definitely want more
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He has been prodominantly in right field. He only moved the few games raetzloff moved to the infield.
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What do you consider a few ... He has played CF exactly 11 of Webster's 29 games
Yes and all of these were early in the season. I don't believe he has played one if any conference games at that position. And he won't for the rest of the season. So like I said. He is prodominantly a right fielder this year.
With Webster's senior day upon us I would like to congratulate the seniors on their career at WU.
GAMES TO WATCH
A real last chance for Eureka this weekend. Not to put the pressure on but it needs a sweep of Westminster to stay in the playoff hunt. The Maryville - Fontbonne match up should be real revealing and let us know much more about the playoff picture.
The Maryville - Fontbonne match-up should offer a very exciting baseball between two teams that want to make a statement. The winner of this will take some momentum going here forward which will help some tourney time. Should be fun.
I think maryville will take at least 2 out of 3 from the grifs. Fontbonne's pitching is very sun par and the maryville bats have been hot against every team but Webster. But we shall see.
By the way John combs will not be returning this season. He has however played few enough games to take a medical red shirt and return for a full next season
I look for Maryville to bounce back strong after a uncharacteristic performance out of their bats. But I also will not be shocked if FU comes in ready to play and grabs a couple of wins.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 17, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Yes and all of these were early in the season. I don't believe he has played one if any conference games at that position. And he won't for the rest of the season. So like I said. He is prodominantly a right fielder this year.
He has actually plays seven of the team's 16 games in CF ... Which is almost half ....
Quote from: JAdaPrince on April 17, 2009, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 17, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Yes and all of these were early in the season. I don't believe he has played one if any conference games at that position. And he won't for the rest of the season. So like I said. He is prodominantly a right fielder this year.
He has actually plays seven of the team's 16 games in CF ... Which is almost half ....
Well if you really want to get technical, he has played 3 full games at center field in conference. The other four games you refer to he started in center and was moved back to right while still shuffling second basemen in. So 3 full games out of 24 conference games. Seems prodominantly like a right fielder to me. Like i said, he was only playing center field because they did not have a consitant hitting second basemen so they were trying to find the right combination. He played right field for the first 8 games of the season before the moved raetzloff to 2nd base leaving him in center field. This proves my point that his original and final position was and will be right field. So i'm guessing that is where is all conference bid will be. Good enough?
HangEm, getting a little fired up huh. I like to see it
Ha well I was right and I like to prove it. My first post was real simple and didn't really need to be critisized but oh well
I would give you karma points if i could. That was some good accurate information. Thanks for the valuable input.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 17, 2009, 07:00:20 PM
Ha well I was right and I like to prove it. My first post was real simple and didn't really need to be critisized but oh well
No one was criticizing you. I was simply stating a point that some outfielders play multiple outfield spots. However, this "dispute" is really pointless because the SLIAC simply selects OUTFIELDERS - not position specific. You wanna be proven correct, when I have the stats that back up a claim that you don't wanna be correct.
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I don't really know what the end of your post was supposed to mean but the stays I used were from the sliac website.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 17, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
I don't really know what the end of your post was supposed to mean but the stays I used were from the sliac website.
In the effort of FULL DISCLOSURE ... the stats I used are from MY computer, since I am the Webster University SID ... I just needed to look at MY game notes and stats to tell you how many games DH started at centerfield and I can even tell you what games they were.
But like I said, the SLIAC votes for simply outfielders on the all-conference team
Hey now no need to get all upset. And I was simply explaining why he is websters true right fielder this year. Not center fielder. Its not a big deal. The stats were available. I went through the game by game. Its not a big deal. I was simply backing up my claim. I try not to make claims not based on facts. Ha it was fun arguing with you. Got anything else worth talking about? Webster won another one. Not a whole lot to talk about there I'm afraid
Fontbonne and Maryville split yesterday . To me, Fontbonne seems to be the better team . They were down 8-0 to Murfin but when they knocked him out they managed to come within one run of tieing the game . In the second game Fontbonne's pitcher Jeff Jackson threw 2 hitter and the FU bats pounded out 14 or so hits and won 10-2 . From watching these two games I would be safe to say that Maryville is winning on offence alone . Their pitching staff when it comes to relief is very weak . In the third game, i think it is going to be high scoring but I really think that Fontbonne will win by 5 or so . Maryville even resorted to using Henekelman in the bottom of the 7th to close the game out and had LF Adam Boyer warming up as well . This shows you that they are really hurting for guys to help out their starters .
Does anyone know what the deal is with that song that Maryville plays around the 5th inning or so when they all stand out in front of the dugout and do the little fist pump thing? Its a techno song. I ask because I wanna know and I wanna download it.
It is called Love Is Gone. I heard it too and I looked it up on google and youtube and found out that the Miami Hurricanes baseball team does the same thing. I thought it was pretty neat that they all do that it shows they have good team chemistry.
On a side note, Big Poppa I am putting together the All-SLIAC team you asked about. I did not see it at first with all the arguing that has been going on. And just so you know it isn't easy. I never understood how much people get moved around in the SLIAC on evey team. It takes a lot of research to figure out who goes where. I should be done soon.
Greenville swept MacMurray over the last two days. The Panthers won 10-6 Friday, and won both ends of the doubleheader today by the scores of 12-6 and 7-1. Greenville has won seven conference games in a row to sneak into 5th position in the conference with a 7-9 record. I realize we're still below .500 but don't count us out yet. Fontbonne will be the real test for us next weekend, but we're finally getting some good defense, good pitching and some timely hitting.
Inclement weather is continuing to wreck havoc on the schedules ... Webster will play TWO nine inning games Tuesday. They will host MacMurray 4 p.m. Tuesday, then play Maryville at 7 p.m.
Wow that's a lot of baseball for one day. How many games until Webster can clinch? Anyone know?
Quote from: MyArmHurts on April 18, 2009, 09:56:46 PM
Does anyone know what the deal is with that song that Maryville plays around the 5th inning or so when they all stand out in front of the dugout and do the little fist pump thing? Its a techno song. I ask because I wanna know and I wanna download it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9yMtg3K00&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9yMtg3K00&feature=related)
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 19, 2009, 07:47:36 PM
Wow that's a lot of baseball for one day. How many games until Webster can clinch? Anyone know?
The Webster Magic Number stands at ONE!!!! The next win or Maryville loss and the Gorloks will have secured the top seed in the 2009 SLIAC Tournament.
hopefully there is not a repeat of last years tournament where the winner was crowned due to weather.. Not saying they wouldnt have taken it, just saying i like to see those games played out.
Agreed. That was the worst way I have ever seen a tournament end. Even though I believe Webster would win with ease, there was no celebration, no chance for upset, no baseball. It was a bad day for sliac fans.
The bad weather is killing us! No games! pitching is all messed up ! what next?
Plus it was bad for the fans that traveled all that way and didn't get to see the end result like normal.
well if it keeps raining like it is, they may not even be able to finish out the regular season conference. I saw first hand how wet the greenville field, Maryville Field and Blackburn Fields have been these past couple of days.
Webster @ Wash U is still on today at 3 if anyone is interested. Always a fun match-up to watch.
Quote from: depew24 on April 20, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
Webster @ Wash U is still on today at 3 if anyone is interested. Always a fun match-up to watch.
This is a big game for WashU as I see them sitting outside of the Pool B race right now.
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 20, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
well if it keeps raining like it is, they may not even be able to finish out the regular season conference. I saw first hand how wet the greenville field, Maryville Field and Blackburn Fields have been these past couple of days.
They must get these games in. Otherwise schools will be left out that should be in the playoff. They need for the Conference to pull together and get their fields ready to go. If at all possible the games could be made up at third party schools. That would be better than leaving the season 80% complete.
I agree. A new rule is set to be enforced next season. Every team in the SLIAC must have a full infield tarp to prevent craziness like the end of this season AND last from happening.
Im sure thats not word for word the exact rule haha!
But i think it is a great idea. a little hit to the budget for some, but it will pay off down the road. Not to mention every COLLEGE team should have a tarp anyway. And even though it wont prevent every rain out.. it will aid on getting the fields ready for play immediately instead of waiting around for everything to completely dry out.
Webster lost 16 to 15 to wash u. Andrew fuiten hit 2 more home runs so congratulations to him. He's coming close to the previous record Set by himself last year
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 20, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
Webster lost 16 to 15 to wash u. Andrew fuiten hit 2 more home runs so congratulations to him. He's coming close to the previous record Set by himself last year
Andrew Fuiten now has 11 HR, one away from the single-season mark he set last season. He also needs 10 RBI to tie the single-season mark of 54 he set last season.
The Gorloks scored 12 runs in the last three innings and had the tying run at third in the 9th inning.
Fuiten's first home run was over 500 ft. Farthest ball I've ever seen hit. That said, Webster's going to need big hitting in the regional if they're going to do anything. Their defense gave up 5 errors and their pitchers were having trouble locating off speed pitches all day. In the SLIAC, that lineup is good enough to 10-run any team. We'll see against better teams come May.
Greenville defeated Principia tonight 9-7. Daniel Covert got the win in relief of Craig Place. Stuart Waller suffered the loss. Spencer Brown went yard for Principia and Zach Miller homered for Greenville.
It seemed like an uncharacteristic day for both defense and pitching. I wouldn't jump off the bridge just yet. Like I said earlier they had a rough couple innings then settled in. I believe this is just one of those games. At least I hope :)
Alright here it is. My All-SLIAC team. I will give the starters for each position and the most important stats I used to pick the team(BB is both walks and hit by pitch). Also I will give the name of the 2nd and 3rd string players for each position. For pitching I will give three starters in the order I would have them go, and 5 pitchers to pitch relief.
Take note that all stats are as they were before some 4/18 games were turned in, but none of those games would have swayed my choices.
1st Base- Josh Kraemer/Fontbonne
BA(.398) AB(103) R(22) H(41) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR(1) RBI(19) BB(7) K(12) OB(.436) SB-AT(3-3) ER(1) FLD(.995)
Reserves:
Josh Holman/Blackburn
Chris Stenzel/Maryville
2nd Base- Bill Allerdissen/Maryville
BA(.361) AB(108) R(27) H(39) 2B(13) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(30) BB(9) K(3) OB(.397) SB-AT(11-12) ER(1) FLD(.998)
Reserves:
Blake Tolan/Fontbonne
John Raffles/Principia
3rd Base- Adam Cadle/Blackburn
BA(405) AB(84) R(23) H(34) 2B(4) 3B(1) HR(1) RBI(16) BB(7) K(7) OB(451) SB-AT(3-3) ER(9) FLD(900)
Reserves:
Robert Huckstep/Maryville
Alan Cheatham/Principia
Shortstop- Zach Little/Webster
BA(278) AB(90) R(19) H(25) 2B(6) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(16) BB(17) K(10) OB(389) SB-AT(9-13) ER(13) FLD(908)
Reserves:
Spencer W. Brown/Principia
Jared Mills/Maryville
Left Field- Andrew Fuiten/Webster
BA(398) AB(93) R(36) H(37) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR( 8 ) RBI(36) BB(23) K(25) OB(513) SB-AT(7-8) ER(9) FLD(775)
Reserves:
Mike Silver/Westminster
Adam Boyer/Maryville
Center Field- Chad Henkelman/Maryville
BA(333) AB(111) R(21) H(37) 2B(12) 3B(1) HR(0) RBI(20) BB(9) K(12) OB(380) SB-AT(3-5) ER(1) FLD(979)
Reserves:
Alex Raetzloff/Webster
Justin Juergensmeyer/Fontbonne
Right Field- Dakota Huey/Webster
BA(422) AB(109) R(31) H(46) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(23) BB(16) K(14) OB(492) SB-AT(13-19) ER(2) FLD(953)
Reserves:
Jason Nikolaisen/Fontbonne
John Norvell/Maryville
Catcher- Criag Schaefer
BA(314) AB(121) R(35) H(38) 2B(11) 3B(1) HR(6) RBI(32) BB(11) K(15) OB(371) SB-AT(4-5) ER(5) FLD(975)
Reserves:
Dan Horn/Fontbonne
Andrew Haven/Maryville
Designated Hitter- Matt Bowman
BA(437) AB(87) R(29) H(38) 2B( 8 ) 3B(1) HR(5) RBI(28) BB(24) K(16) OB(554) SB-AT(1-1)
Reserves:
Joe Biagini/Webster
John Norvell/Maryville
Starting Pitchers
Game 1- Will Savage/Webster
ERA(2.42) W-L(5-1) APP(9) S(7) IP(44.2) H(37) R(17) ER(12) BB( 8 ) Ks(41) XTRA(6) HR(1) AVE(.218)
Game 2- Greg Ball/Principia
ERA(3.63) W-L(5-2) APP( 8 ) S(7) IP(44.2) H(38) R(38) ER(18) BB(18) Ks(28) XTRA(6) HR(1) AVE(.213)
Game 3- Alex Kollack/Maryville
ERA(3.86) W-L(4-1) APP(7) S(6) IP(35.0) H(28) R(18) ER(15) BB(19) Ks(55) XTRA(2) HR(2) AVE(.215)
Relief Pitchers
Chris Stenzel/Maryville
Peter Quintus/Webster
Clay McConkey/Eureka
Looks like Webster lost a close one last night. They did show some life in the last 3 innings though. Score was 15-3 going into the 7th. Webster then scored 4 in the 7th, 7 in the 8th, then pushed 1 across in the 9th but later that inning a fly out to center field with the bases loaded ended the game. tough one for the Gorlocks.
Saints and Gorlocks today @7 at GCS. This in my opinion is the game of the week.
Im calling for an upset. Webster came out with tough loss tonight, and I look for the trend to continue and Maryville beats them tonight. Giving them their first and ONLY loss in conference this season. *JUST MY PREDICTION* No intentions for arguements
Well its not an argument, just a disagreement. Webster had a tough day and could not come out on top. However they play Mac tomorrow first. This should hopefully give them a confidence booster before playing maryville. Maryville I would imagine is coming into this game nervous. But Webster knowing they can clinch the league after the first game doesn't have much pressure on them.
Tough loss yesterday, yes, but you can't ask anymore out of your hitting with 15 runs? Even though they did lose they still hit the ball hard. I dont think Maryville will come out nervous, they have nothing to lose. Webster already clinches, BUT has the streak of not losing a conference home game since Kurich has been there so if anything, Webster has the pressure on them.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 21, 2009, 09:58:30 AM
Well its not an argument, just a disagreement. Webster had a tough day and could not come out on top. However they play Mac tomorrow first. This should hopefully give them a confidence booster before playing maryville. Maryville I would imagine is coming into this game nervous. But Webster knowing they can clinch the league after the first game doesn't have much pressure on them.
Yeah i agree, and obviously they can clinch after game 1. But that could possibly create a relaxed team, which in turn may create an upset! I am not saying it will happen, I am saying it could!
Not at all blaming the loss on this but the strike zone yesterday at Wash U was a little bit off. Will Savage was doing a great job, as he has all year, of keeping the ball low in the strike zone and hitting his spots. There were, that I counted, 6 different times that he had two strikes on Wash U and had a strike low called a ball.
With that said, you CAN NOT give up 16 runs and complain about the strike zone. But Savage will be alright and will return to form next outing.
It's nice to have 2 today so they can come back and erase what happened yesterday. WU will take 2 today and Fuiten will continue to be FIRE.
Well I agree it could create a relaxed team. But I'm doubting with the thought of having an undefeated record in conference would keep them on their toes. I'd hope they have that sort of pride. Wanting to keep what could be an amazing conference season alive.
Greenville is creeping up. Is Blackburn looking over their shoulder?
I doubt it.
The Beavers have 8 games left. 3 with MacMurray (4-16), 3 with Westminster (4-12), 1 with Fontbonne (9-6) *BC VS. FU Series 1-1, and 1 against Maryville (11-5) *BC VS. MU Series 1-1. This makes the opponents record 28-39 in conference. Blackburn would have to lose to both Maryville and Fontbonne in the one game sets and have a major slip up with one of the teams that has 4 wins. NOT TO MENTION Greenville would have to sweep out and Blackburn would have to lose 3+ games. If not Blackburn holds the tie breaker.
The Panthers on the other hand have 7 games left. They have 1 game against Eureka (6-10) Greenville does hold the lead in this match up 2-0, However even if they took this game they have to face a solid team Fontbonne (9-6) for three games, and 3 against Westminster who is a very weak squad opposed to the pre-season rankings.. This puts their remaining conference opponents at a 19-28 record. Although it is possible for them to still make the tourney.. I see Blackburn holding their own and actually having a battle for third place not fourth.
This is just an opinion. feel free to tell me what you think.
I agree with most of the choices here SLIAC4Life I have however made just a few changes and swithced a few around.
1st Base- Josh Kraemer/Fontbonne
BA(.398) AB(103) R(22) H(41) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR(1) RBI(19) BB(7) K(12) OB(.436) SB-AT(3-3) ER(1) FLD(.995)
Reserves:
Chris Stenzel/Maryville
Josh Holman/Blackburn Holman seens to be in a slump which more often than not, hits him every year right before playoff time, thats why I dropped him one
2nd Base- Blake Tolan/Fontbonne
BA(.350) AB(120) R(27) H(42) 2B(5) 3B(3) HR(2) RBI(24) BB(5) K(14) OB(.391) SB-AT(15-18) ER( 8 ) FLD(.944)
Reserves:
Bill Allerdisen/Maryville
John Raffles/Principia
I know in this case allerdisen seems to be a heavy favorite. I however see that Tolan has a solid fielding % and even though its not .998 its still very high. I also find him to be more of a running threat, and it seems like he is always making things happen instead of letting everyone else make them.
3rd Base- Adam Cadle/Blackburn
BA(405) AB(84) R(23) H(34) 2B(4) 3B(1) HR(1) RBI(16) BB(7) K(7) OB(451) SB-AT(3-3) ER(9) FLD(900)
Reserves:
Robert Huckstep/Maryville
Caleb Bourne/MacMurray
Bourne is hitting .323 on a stuggling team but he does host a terrible fielding avg. Perhaps a reserve to pinch hit only. Also Huckstep is playing very well this season so looking past him and Cadle is not really necessary.
Shortstop- Zach Little/Webster
BA(278) AB(90) R(19) H(25) 2B(6) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(16) BB(17) K(10) OB(389) SB-AT(9-13) ER(13) FLD(908)
Reserves:
Jared Mills/Maryville
Spencer W. Brown/Principia
Left Field- Andrew Fuiten/Webster
BA(398) AB(93) R(36) H(37) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR( 8 ) RBI(36) BB(23) K(25) OB(513) SB-AT(7-8) ER(9) FLD(775)
Reserves:
Adam Boyer/Maryville
Mike Silver/Westminster
Boyer seems to be playing very very solid ball. I thought at the beginning of the season his play might be fluke but he has held up a .390 Batting average and a 453 OB%
Center Field- Chad Henkelman/Maryville
BA(333) AB(111) R(21) H(37) 2B(12) 3B(1) HR(0) RBI(20) BB(9) K(12) OB(380) SB-AT(3-5) ER(1) FLD(979)
Reserves:
Alex Raetzloff/Webster
Justin Juergensmeyer/Fontbonne
Right Field- Dakota Huey/Webster
BA(422) AB(109) R(31) H(46) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(23) BB(16) K(14) OB(492) SB-AT(13-19) ER(2) FLD(953)
Reserves:
John Norvell/Maryville
Jason Nikolaisen/Fontbonne
Norvell is a hitting machine right now and hasa fielding percentage of 1.000. Steals bases when asked to, which isint very often, hosts a .512 ob%, and doesnt strike out very often.
Catcher- Criag Schaefer
BA(314) AB(121) R(35) H(38) 2B(11) 3B(1) HR(6) RBI(32) BB(11) K(15) OB(371) SB-AT(4-5) ER(5) FLD(975)
Reserves:
Dan Horn/Fontbonne
Nick Knoblauch/Eureka
Knoblauch really knows how to take control of a game behind the plate.
Designated Hitter- Matt Bowman
BA(437) AB(87) R(29) H(38) 2B( 8 ) 3B(1) HR(5) RBI(28) BB(24) K(16) OB(554) SB-AT(1-1)
Reserves:
Joe Biagini/Webster
Tony Matecki/Blackburn
Although he hasnt made a huge splash in the SLIAC, he has created some ripples. He is a clutch hitter and has really helped out Blackburn this year even if the numbers dont LOOK that impressive.
Starting Pitchers
Game 1- Will Savage/Webster
ERA(2.42) W-L(5-1) APP(9) S(7) IP(44.2) H(37) R(17) ER(12) BB( 8 ) Ks(41) XTRA(6) HR(1) AVE(.218)
Game 2- Ben Eilerman/ Blackburn
ERA(5.65) W-L(3-3) APP(11) S(6) IP(43.0) H(56) R(38) ER(27) BB(17) Ks(36) XTRA(11) HR(6) AVE(.311)
Game 3- Alex Kollack/Maryville
ERA(3.86) W-L(4-1) APP(7) S(6) IP(35.0) H(28) R(18) ER(15) BB(19) Ks(55) XTRA(2) HR(2) AVE(.215)
The reason I put elierman in is hes an upperclassmen who can control a game. He has had some unfortunate defense behind him. but on an all conference team he would shine.
Relief Pitchers
Peter Quintus/Webster
Clay McConkey/Eureka
Luke Vallero/Blackburn
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The comeback kids pulled it out this time defeating MacMurray 13-9 to earn their 3rd consecutive SLIAC conference title. Hats off to MacMurray who made the game very interesting, they hit the ball well all game fortunately some timely late inning offense combined with walks by MacMurray sealed the deal for Webster. And last congrats to Joe Biagini on providing the game winning grand slam bottom 8, 2 outs, bases loaded, doesnt get much bigger than that, the kid was clutch.
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 21, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
I agree with most of the choices here SLIAC4Life I have however made just a few changes and swithced a few around.
1st Base- Josh Kraemer/Fontbonne
BA(.398) AB(103) R(22) H(41) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR(1) RBI(19) BB(7) K(12) OB(.436) SB-AT(3-3) ER(1) FLD(.995)
Reserves:
Chris Stenzel/Maryville
Josh Holman/Blackburn Holman seens to be in a slump which more often than not, hits him every year right before playoff time, thats why I dropped him one
2nd Base- Blake Tolan/Fontbonne
BA(.350) AB(120) R(27) H(42) 2B(5) 3B(3) HR(2) RBI(24) BB(5) K(14) OB(.391) SB-AT(15-18) ER( 8 ) FLD(.944)
Reserves:
Bill Allerdisen/Maryville
John Raffles/Principia
I know in this case allerdisen seems to be a heavy favorite. I however see that Tolan has a solid fielding % and even though its not .998 its still very high. I also find him to be more of a running threat, and it seems like he is always making things happen instead of letting everyone else make them.
3rd Base- Adam Cadle/Blackburn
BA(405) AB(84) R(23) H(34) 2B(4) 3B(1) HR(1) RBI(16) BB(7) K(7) OB(451) SB-AT(3-3) ER(9) FLD(900)
Reserves:
Robert Huckstep/Maryville
Caleb Bourne/MacMurray
Bourne is hitting .323 on a stuggling team but he does host a terrible fielding avg. Perhaps a reserve to pinch hit only. Also Huckstep is playing very well this season so looking past him and Cadle is not really necessary.
Shortstop- Zach Little/Webster
BA(278) AB(90) R(19) H(25) 2B(6) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(16) BB(17) K(10) OB(389) SB-AT(9-13) ER(13) FLD(908)
Reserves:
Jared Mills/Maryville
Spencer W. Brown/Principia
Left Field- Andrew Fuiten/Webster
BA(398) AB(93) R(36) H(37) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR( 8 ) RBI(36) BB(23) K(25) OB(513) SB-AT(7-8) ER(9) FLD(775)
Reserves:
Adam Boyer/Maryville
Mike Silver/Westminster
Boyer seems to be playing very very solid ball. I thought at the beginning of the season his play might be fluke but he has held up a .390 Batting average and a 453 OB%
Center Field- Chad Henkelman/Maryville
BA(333) AB(111) R(21) H(37) 2B(12) 3B(1) HR(0) RBI(20) BB(9) K(12) OB(380) SB-AT(3-5) ER(1) FLD(979)
Reserves:
Alex Raetzloff/Webster
Justin Juergensmeyer/Fontbonne
Right Field- Dakota Huey/Webster
BA(422) AB(109) R(31) H(46) 2B(9) 3B(0) HR(2) RBI(23) BB(16) K(14) OB(492) SB-AT(13-19) ER(2) FLD(953)
Reserves:
John Norvell/Maryville
Jason Nikolaisen/Fontbonne
Norvell is a hitting machine right now and hasa fielding percentage of 1.000. Steals bases when asked to, which isint very often, hosts a .512 ob%, and doesnt strike out very often.
Catcher- Criag Schaefer
BA(314) AB(121) R(35) H(38) 2B(11) 3B(1) HR(6) RBI(32) BB(11) K(15) OB(371) SB-AT(4-5) ER(5) FLD(975)
Reserves:
Dan Horn/Fontbonne
Nick Knoblauch/Eureka
Knoblauch really knows how to take control of a game behind the plate.
Designated Hitter- Matt Bowman
BA(437) AB(87) R(29) H(38) 2B( 8 ) 3B(1) HR(5) RBI(28) BB(24) K(16) OB(554) SB-AT(1-1)
Reserves:
Joe Biagini/Webster
Tony Matecki/Blackburn
Although he hasnt made a huge splash in the SLIAC, he has created some ripples. He is a clutch hitter and has really helped out Blackburn this year even if the numbers dont LOOK that impressive.
Starting Pitchers
Game 1- Will Savage/Webster
ERA(2.42) W-L(5-1) APP(9) S(7) IP(44.2) H(37) R(17) ER(12) BB( 8 ) Ks(41) XTRA(6) HR(1) AVE(.218)
Game 2- Ben Eilerman/ Blackburn
ERA(5.65) W-L(3-3) APP(11) S(6) IP(43.0) H(56) R(38) ER(27) BB(17) Ks(36) XTRA(11) HR(6) AVE(.311)
Game 3- Alex Kollack/Maryville
ERA(3.86) W-L(4-1) APP(7) S(6) IP(35.0) H(28) R(18) ER(15) BB(19) Ks(55) XTRA(2) HR(2) AVE(.215)
The reason I put elierman in is hes an upperclassmen who can control a game. He has had some unfortunate defense behind him. but on an all conference team he would shine.
Relief Pitchers
Peter Quintus/Webster
Clay McConkey/Eureka
Luke Vallero/Blackburn
I think Joe Biagini should be switched to the 1 spot. He has 8 homeruns now i believe and over 45 rbi's on the season. Just some thoughts on that spot. Also, aaron senzell has been great lately and has played stellar D at second base. Just some thoughts.
I wanted to mention that Joe Biagini has hit 2 grand slams in 4 games i think? Rediculous stat there.
Biagini's slam was a TAPE MEASURE SHOT! I didn't even see it hit the roof on the building that is probably 425 feet away. It MIGHT of gone over the building. You would think with 2 outs, bases loaded and the game tied in the bottom of the 8th that you would just try and get one run across, but he was sitting dead red and unloaded on the ball. That might of been the farthest home run I have seen ever. Anyone know the official numbers on how far the building is from the fence and how high the building is? I'm sure the Grizzlies would measure it out
I will agree it was a rediculous shot. And add to that fuitens last night and the might have got 1000 feet in 2 hits
Agree. WU is putting up some miles on their HR's this year. So anyone who thinks it's the field needs to just shut it. And oh yeah, they are still undefeated in conference.........
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 22, 2009, 02:51:09 AM
I will agree it was a rediculous shot. And add to that fuitens last night and the might have got 1000 feet in 2 hits
Dont want to start any trouble, but i saw both homeruns and neither were 500 feet. I dont think people really take into account just how far 500 feet really is. You also have to factor in the the walls at GCS are about 315 in left and 305 in right. Regardless of what is posted on them. This stadium was built to bring in fans for this frontier league team. Long Ball = Ticket Sales... however Webster has really taken advantage of that. Im not trying to take anything away from these players, they are really hitting the crap out of the ball, and thats the main point here, and in
most cases they would be out of
any field, BUT neither of these homers were 500 feet. 425 tops on both.
With Maryville's Loss to Webster yesterday the chase for 2-3-4 is coming down to the wire. Maryville still has to play Blackburn (4) and Fontbonne (3) as well as prin (6) for three games and Eureka (7) for three. None of these teams are push overs. I am starting to think Maryville might fall off here at the end of the season. Not completely off.. still in the top four, just maybe not 2nd.
Blackburn has the easiest track from here on out, They have westminster and mac who have both only won 4 games, and then single games against fontbonne and maryville which they the series are split in both 1-1.
Should be interesting to watch this unfold.
I have a strong feeling that Webster will make a nice showing in tomorrow's NCAA Regional Rankings.
Hopefully they will be regarded as strong enough to go to the NCAA tourney regardless of the SLIAC outcome.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 22, 2009, 10:25:20 AM
Hopefully they will be regarded as strong enough to go to the NCAA tourney regardless of the SLIAC outcome.
I think will be a bubble team if they lose the SLIAC tourney...
It would be too bad to have a great season, then stub their toe in the SLIAC Tourney and not get to go to the NCAA's. They should be rewarded for their play regardless of the SLIAC Tourney.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 22, 2009, 10:36:35 AM
It would be too bad to have a great season, then stub their toe in the SLIAC Tourney and not get to go to the NCAA's. They should be rewarded for their play regardless of the SLIAC Tourney.
The isssue you run into is that they have been terrible outside of the SLIAC.
They did take down 2 nationally ranked teams and were within 1 run of the former no. 1 team in the nation. Giving keystone one of their four losses. There record might not be great but they havent been THAT bad outside of the sliac if you ask me. They had a few bad games yes, but they also played alot of good teams.
I hate to do it because i love the SLIAC but if you look at their games outside the SLIAC they are 3-11. I have to agree with BigPoppa on this one. in those 3 wins they took down, Illinois weslyan, Illinois college, and Keystone. Back during that time Keystone was not ranked, Illinois Welseyan (3-1)was ranked 16th but then fell out in the weeks to come, and Illinois College was never ranked. Now im not sure if Keystone is in region but i know Illinois Weslyan and IC both are so that right is only two in region wins, NOT INCLUDING conference games. So like stated above, they arent very strong out of conference. And its unfortunate. However if they for some reason are a bubble team, I hope they get put in, espically because of their performance in last years Regionals. Playing in the Regional Championship the year before should push a bubble team into the post season.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 22, 2009, 11:46:09 AM
They did take down 2 nationally ranked teams and were within 1 run of the former no. 1 team in the nation. Giving keystone one of their four losses. There record might not be great but they havent been THAT bad outside of the sliac if you ask me. They had a few bad games yes, but they also played alot of good teams.
By my calculations (which may be off) I have Webster at 3-10 (which is about as bad as it can get) outside of the SLIAC. The did beat IWU and Keystone, but also had some bad losses in terms of other teams of natioanl level caliber (Aurora, Coe-twice, Cortland, Transylvania, Wartburg and WashU). Those are almost all teams that might be fighting for post-season berths and if Webster has to go head-to-head with them for a Pool C berth, how can the committee justify giving them one over the others that beat them?)
websters record is 23-11 (20-0) so, 3-11. Unless ive goofed up.. This is straight off SLIAC.com... Unless you mean in region games, NOT INCLUDING CONFERENCE.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 22, 2009, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 22, 2009, 11:46:09 AM
They did take down 2 nationally ranked teams and were within 1 run of the former no. 1 team in the nation. Giving keystone one of their four losses. There record might not be great but they havent been THAT bad outside of the sliac if you ask me. They had a few bad games yes, but they also played alot of good teams.
By my calculations (which may be off) I have Webster at 3-10 (which is about as bad as it can get) outside of the SLIAC. The did beat IWU and Keystone, but also had some bad losses in terms of other teams of natioanl level caliber (Aurora, Coe-twice, Cortland, Transylvania, Wartburg and WashU). Those are almost all teams that might be fighting for post-season berths and if Webster has to go head-to-head with them for a Pool C berth, how can the committee justify giving them one over the others that beat them?)
Unless Carthage or IWU doesn't win the CCIW Pool A, I doubt the Central gets more than one Pool C bid. I see a team like Millsaps rounding out the regional. If Wash U somehow gets a Pool B, I think one of your Pool A's (probably the MWC) will join us in Oshkosh. Still a long way to go, but it's hard to envision anything else happening.
With only 13 Pool C's, planets will have to align for the IIAC, MWC or SLIAC to get a Pool C. I think Webster
should be third (Will they be? I somehow doubt it) in the first rankings, but I think that's merely good enough to be on the table when the last C gets in. And that third-place ranking is their absolute ceiling.
Quote from: OshDude on April 22, 2009, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 22, 2009, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on April 22, 2009, 11:46:09 AM
They did take down 2 nationally ranked teams and were within 1 run of the former no. 1 team in the nation. Giving keystone one of their four losses. There record might not be great but they havent been THAT bad outside of the sliac if you ask me. They had a few bad games yes, but they also played alot of good teams.
By my calculations (which may be off) I have Webster at 3-10 (which is about as bad as it can get) outside of the SLIAC. The did beat IWU and Keystone, but also had some bad losses in terms of other teams of natioanl level caliber (Aurora, Coe-twice, Cortland, Transylvania, Wartburg and WashU). Those are almost all teams that might be fighting for post-season berths and if Webster has to go head-to-head with them for a Pool C berth, how can the committee justify giving them one over the others that beat them?)
Unless Carthage or IWU doesn't win the CCIW Pool A, I doubt the Central gets more than one Pool C bid. I see a team like Millsaps rounding out the regional. If Wash U somehow gets a Pool B, I think one of your Pool A's (probably the MWC) will join us in Oshkosh. Still a long way to go, but it's hard to envision anything else happening.
With only 13 Pool C's, planets will have to align for the IIAC, MWC or SLIAC to get a Pool C. I think Webster should be third (Will they be? I somehow doubt it) in the first rankings, but I think that's merely good enough to be on the table when the last C gets in. And that third-place ranking is their absolute ceiling.
Agree 100% with you. IIAC, SLIAC and MWC tourneys will be for all the marbles and the ONLY bid for each conference. I think Carthage and IWU are locks to get and should be #1 and #2 tomorrow.
My Prediction:
1. Carthage
2. IWU
3/4. Webster/Buena Vista
5/6/7. Beloit/ Augustana/ St. Norbert
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 22, 2009, 12:12:53 PM
websters record is 23-11 (20-0) so, 3-11. Unless ive goofed up.. This is straight off SLIAC.com... Unless you mean in region games, NOT INCLUDING CONFERENCE.
Keep in mind that 2 of the losses were against non-DIII teams (UMSL & Missouri Baptist) Say they win twice & lose twice in the conference tournament (I don't think they would go 2 and out). This would possibly put them at 31-11 vs DIII opponents overall and 28-5 vs teams in the Central Region.
Back to conference news:
Blackburn defeated MacMurray 7-2 last night. Ozee came in to finish out the game and looked solid. Look for him to be 1 or 2 in the rotation in the conference tourney, that is if the Beavers play well enough to stay in the top four. Last night they looked like a solid ball club, outfielders looked confident and they may have found a catcher in Tony Matecki. MacMurray has really changed their team from the past. They look like a much better hitting team, however what kills them is their lack of defensive stregnth. They have the confidence in the box but not out on the field. Series wraps up today in Jacksonville.
Eureka / Greenville should be an interesting game. Greenville is surging but Eureka should be able to give them a contest. Does the loser miss the tourney? It would seem that way for Eureka. If Greenville gets the loss the sand will continue to pour out of the top of the hourglass.
Congrats to Blackburn looks like they are taking care of business for now. Doubleheader today with Mac.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 23, 2009, 12:01:47 PM
Eureka / Greenville should be an interesting game. Greenville is surging but Eureka should be able to give them a contest. Does the loser miss the tourney? It would seem that way for Eureka. If Greenville gets the loss the sand will continue to pour out of the top of the hourglass.
The Panthers will not take them lightly. After being swept in the doubleheader 5-4 and 10-0 against us last week the Red Devils turned around the next day against Maryville and lost a close one 2-1. Two days later they got trounced in a doubleheader by Westminster 11-3 and 26-7. It depends on which Eureka team shows up. Just hope we're concentrating on this game and not looking ahead to the weekend against Fontbonne. Every game is important from here on out.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on April 23, 2009, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 23, 2009, 12:01:47 PM
Eureka / Greenville should be an interesting game. Greenville is surging but Eureka should be able to give them a contest. Does the loser miss the tourney? It would seem that way for Eureka. If Greenville gets the loss the sand will continue to pour out of the top of the hourglass.
The Panthers will not take them lightly. After being swept in the doubleheader 5-4 and 10-0 against us last week the Red Devils turned around the next day against Maryville and lost a close one 2-1. Two days later they got trounced in a doubleheader by Westminster 11-3 and 26-7. It depends on which Eureka team shows up. Just hope we're concentrating on this game and not looking ahead to the weekend against Fontbonne. Every game is important from here on out.
Greenville defeated Eureka 12-2 to shortgame them in seven innings for the scheduled nine inning game. Andy Rincker set down the first thirteen batters before a pair walks and a pair of singles garnered the Red Devils their two runs. Rincker then set down the final seven batters in a row. Meanwhile, the Panthers scored three in the first and solo runs in the second and third (Daniel Covert HR). The Panthers then put seven runs on the board in the bottom of the seventh to seal the game. Ross Cook hit a two run shot in the seventh. Brian Stoff, Zach Miller, Brian Deadmond, Cook, and Covert all had 2 RBI's. Greenville improves to 9-9 in conference play to put themselves in the hunt for the fourth tournament spot. Face Fontbonne (9-6 before their game against Maryville today) for three this weekend.
Quote from: VideoDawg on April 23, 2009, 12:19:59 PM
Congrats to Blackburn looks like they are taking care of business for now. Doubleheader today with Mac.
As soon as we start to give Blackburn some credit, they go out and lose NOT ONE BUT TWO to MAC, and you guys were correct, Greenville is not out of it yet.
Great game last night between Maryville and Fontbonne. Fontbonne had a 4-1 lead going into the bottom of the 8th. A base hit up the middle, a texas leaguer, a bunt single, and a bases clearing double later, Maryville goes up 5-4. Fontbonne gets the leadoff guy on in the 9th, and a sac bunt got lined back to the pitcher who doubled the runner off first. A win for FU would have given them a little breathing room, now they need to have a great weekend against Greenville.
Also, Fontbonne had a runner on 3rd and no one out in around the 6th inning. The infield was drawn in, and a groundball to the second basemen, a short fly ball to the right fielder (who has a hose), and a pop up later, Maryville had escaped te jam. Big moment in the game looking back.
Looks like nobody is happy about Webster getting the 3 spot. Anyone think they will surprise people in the tournament like they have the past few years?
I never said I wasn't happy about it, I actually predicted it. Are they the third best team in the region... I don't think so, but it is hard to argue with their in-region record at this point.
Rankings are proven wrong year after year, so I don't pay a whole lot of attention to them.
Ask yourself this though: How many teams in the Central Region will be excited about a first round matchup against Webster? Very few I would think.
I'm surprised Illinois Wesleyan doesn't charter a bus to come down and root against Webster in the SLIAC championship. :D
Quote from: BigToughGuy on April 24, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
Rankings are proven wrong year after year, so I don't pay a whole lot of attention to them.
Ask yourself this though: How many teams in the Central Region will be excited about a first round matchup against Webster? Very few I would think.
I'm surprised Illinois Wesleyan doesn't charter a bus to come down and root against Webster in the SLIAC championship. :D
IWU is a MUCH different team than they were a few weeks ago.
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They did take down 2 nationally ranked teams and were within 1 run of the former no. 1 team in the nation. Giving keystone one of their four losses. There record might not be great but they havent been THAT bad outside of the sliac if you ask me. They had a few bad games yes, but they also played alot of good teams.
By my calculations (which may be off) I have Webster at 3-10 (which is about as bad as it can get) outside of the SLIAC. The did beat IWU and Keystone, but also had some bad losses in terms of other teams of natioanl level caliber (Aurora, Coe-twice, Cortland, Transylvania, Wartburg and WashU). Those are almost all teams that might be fighting for post-season berths and if Webster has to go head-to-head with them for a Pool C berth, how can the committee justify giving them one over the others that beat them?)
Unless Carthage or IWU doesn't win the CCIW Pool A, I doubt the Central gets more than one Pool C bid. I see a team like Millsaps rounding out the regional. If Wash U somehow gets a Pool B, I think one of your Pool A's (probably the MWC) will join us in Oshkosh. Still a long way to go, but it's hard to envision anything else happening.
With only 13 Pool C's, planets will have to align for the IIAC, MWC or SLIAC to get a Pool C. I think Webster should be third (Will they be? I somehow doubt it) in the first rankings, but I think that's merely good enough to be on the table when the last C gets in. And that third-place ranking is their absolute ceiling.
Agree 100% with you. IIAC, SLIAC and MWC tourneys will be for all the marbles and the ONLY bid for each conference. I think Carthage and IWU are locks to get and should be #1 and #2 tomorrow.
My Prediction:
1. Carthage
2. IWU
3/4. Webster/Buena Vista
5/6/7. Beloit/ Augustana/ St. Norbert
Yep, Big Poppa. Looks like you have a good handle on the Central Region. ;)
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Central Region
1. Carthage 21-5 17-2
2. Illinois Wesleyan 20-8 18-7
3. Webster 21-11 20-7
4. Buena Vista 24-7 19-6
5. Augustana 21-10 17-7
6. Beloit 20-5 14-3
Greenville defeated Fontbonne last night 11-10 in an exciting 10 inning come from behind victory. Fontbonne was ahead 3-0, 6-2, and 9-4 before Greenville tied it up at 9-9 with five big runs in the top of the eighth. An RBI single by Brian Deadmond in the top of the 10th gave the Panthers their first lead of the night, followed by an RBI double by Ross Cook. Zach Miller pitched the final three innings to get the win. Fontbonne (9-8), Blackburn (10-9), and Greenville (10-9) are now in a virtual tie for third place in the conference.
Greenville splits with Fontbonne today. Blackburn split with Westminster. Still a virtual tie for third place. Fontbonne (10-9) - Blackburn (11-10) - Greenville (11-10)
Blackburn holds the tiebreaker against Greenville, Greenville has the tiebreaker over Fontbonne, Fontbonne and Blackburn are 1-1 with a game to be played on Tuesday. Ought to be an interesting and fun final week in the SLIAC.
Westminster just defeated Blackburn 19-9. Blackburn drops to 11-11 and fifth position.
http://websterathletics.com/news/2009/4/26/BB_0426095931.aspx
just keeps going...
...and going...
http://websterathletics.com/news/2009/4/26/BB_0426092820.aspx
Eureka always has been a hitters park.. and Webster kept that sterotype true this past week with 15 home runs in 3 games.
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 27, 2009, 09:21:29 AM
Eureka always has been a hitters park.. and Webster kept that sterotype true this past week with 15 home runs in 3 games.
Where are you getting your info? Eureka had been the least HR friendly park in the SLIAC (7 HR's in 10 games) before Webster made it rain this past weekend. Below are the total home runs for each park this year:
Eureka - 22 in 13 games (Including the 15 that Webster put up in 3 games)
Blackburn - 16 in 12 games
Fontbonne - 17 in 11 games
Greenville - 9 in 8 games
MacMurray- 18 in 13 games
Maryville - 16 in 19 games
Principia - 35 in 20 games
Webster - 31 in 14 games
Westminster 30 in 13 games
I would consider Webster, Principia, and Westminster hitter friendly parks. The others seem pretty average aside from Maryville favoring the pitchers slightly.
Having played at Eureka, I can tell you for a fact that it is. Regardless of what THIS SEASONS statistics are. The field is in a small valley, and the wind takes control of ANY BALL hit in the air. So keep posting your statistics, but take it from someone who has actually played there, and trust me it is no matter what THIS SEASONS stats are.
HOWEVER i do agree with you in saying that Prin and Webster are hitters parks. short porches.. But i dont see and could never understand in the past why westminster is such a hitters park. Arent the outfield fences a pretty decent depth? Ive seen some real shots hit there in my day.
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Quote from: theoneandonly on April 27, 2009, 09:21:29 AM
Eureka always has been a hitters park.. and Webster kept that sterotype true this past week with 15 home runs in 3 games.
Where are you getting your info? Eureka had been the least HR friendly park in the SLIAC (7 HR's in 10 games) before Webster made it rain this past weekend. Below are the total home runs for each park this year:
Eureka - 22 in 13 games (Including the 15 that Webster put up in 3 games)
Blackburn - 16 in 12 games
Fontbonne - 17 in 11 games
Greenville - 9 in 8 games
MacMurray- 18 in 13 games
Maryville - 16 in 19 games
Principia - 35 in 20 games
Webster - 31 in 14 games
Westminster 30 in 13 games
I would consider Webster, Principia, and Westminster hitter friendly parks. The others seem pretty average aside from Maryville favoring the pitchers slightly.
Allow me to put these in order for you to show you who actually is the LEAST friendly to the HR. So that you can see what your stats have proven. Also yes webster hit 15 bombs in 3 days.. thats still a stat that gets factored in.. here you go...
Westminster 30 in 13 games
2.3 HR per GameWebster - 31 in 14 games
2.21 HR per GamePrincipia - 35 in 20 games
1.75 HR per GameEureka - 22 in 13 games
1.69 HR per GameFontbonne - 17 in 11 games
1.54 HR per GameMacMurray- 18 in 13 games
1.38 HR per gameBlackburn - 16 in 12 games
1.33 HR per GameGreenville - 9 in 8 games
1.13 HR per GameMaryville - 16 in 19 games
.84 HR per GameLooks like Eureka is actually 4th friendliest out of 9... Weird
Those stas can also be very deceptive as a team's hitters can greatly inflate a home field number if they hit for power inwith half their games in a short park. Also, some small parks have bad pitching staffs that contribute to those numbers as well. Might need to look at the numbers over a 10-15 year period to get that kind of feel for a park.
Hitters park or not, WU was crushing the ball and that's the end of it. They are a team that can hit and believe it or not they can pitch.
I am starting to believe that Webster might be better than any of us think. I would like to see them Get the Pool A bid and see what they can do this year.
BigPoppa,
I disagree with the statement that they are better than we think (I have thought that the whole season). They are a very solid team. I will be excited to see them now that they have 'hit their stride' play some teams with some national presence.
I was kind of joking about the first comment but not really. I have been trying to get people to realize that the team they have this year is every bit as good as last year and the offense if a year older. It could be pretty fun to watch them make some more noise late this season.
My only concern with them is their inability to win games outside of the SLIAC schedule. They are going to have to do that if they reach the next level. A 3-11 out of league record points to one of two things:
1. A brutally tough schedule, or
2. A very weak SLIAC.
Sadly, I see the latter as the most likely. I do not mean to take anything away from Webster as they have been phenominal all season in the SLIAC, but it seems as if SLAIC teams did not make them pay for any mistakes they made during the season. That will change in the NCAA regionals.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 27, 2009, 02:21:21 PM
My only concern with them is their inability to win games outside of the SLIAC schedule. They are going to have to do that if they reach the next level. A 3-11 out of league record points to one of two things:
1. A brutally tough schedule, or
2. A very weak SLIAC.
Sadly, I see the latter as the most likely. I do not mean to take anything away from Webster as they have been phenominal all season in the SLIAC, but it seems as if SLAIC teams did not make them pay for any mistakes they made during the season. That will change in the NCAA regionals.
I think Webster will be a dangerous team in regionals. This team has experience from last year that will help.
Westminster isn't big whatsoever. 315 down the lines if my mind serves me right. So definitely nothing to intimidate hitters. But It seems like every time I've been there its been a calm day. Seems like the trees kill the wind and even things out. At least while I was there it did.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 27, 2009, 01:36:22 PM
Those stas can also be very deceptive as a team's hitters can greatly inflate a home field number if they hit for power inwith half their games in a short park. Also, some small parks have bad pitching staffs that contribute to those numbers as well. Might need to look at the numbers over a 10-15 year period to get that kind of feel for a park.
I don't know about GREATLY inflating. Webster has 54 HR's this year with 24 coming at home and 30 on the road. Based on games played this equals 1.71 HR per game at home and 1.30 HR per game on the road. Slight increase, but many of their homers at home would have been out anywhere. Let's say 25% of their HR's at home wouldn't have gotten out of other parks giving them 18 legitimate at home. This would still put them at 48 total for the season.
Hey no one is trying to take that away from you. Webster can mash the ball. We understand that. No one is trying to knock down Webster here, we all post on here because we like the SLIAC. We all want to see someone from the SLIAC make noise in region and eventually get to the world series wether it be Webster or Principia.
Depew stop getting so defensive when someone points out a flaw.
Hey oneandonly,
I didn't get defensive. I just made a point that I'm not shocked at what they are doing and I called it at the beginning. Thank you.
Don't assume that I am 'getting defensive' when I am not. I, in no way, was attacking anyone on this board.
Webster will compete well on a national level if they play like the team they were when they beat keystone and less like the team that lost close games to cortland wash u month bap and umsl. We have all seen what they can do when they keep their intensity and limit mistakes. But we have also seen the team that let's a game get out of hand and doesn't stop the bleeding when it could be done. Hopefully the latter of those two teams is gone and done with and they play like the team they can be. But we will unfortunately have to wait and see. I will agree with all of you that in non conference games they haven't always shown their worth, but in some of those games they have.
It's nice that everyone is discussing Webster's ability to hit the baseball, but let's not lose track of the Gorloks' pitching. The staff has a 2.66 ERA in conference and just a shade over 4 overall. If the pitching can stay consistent, then Webster will have a great chance to be successful.
IT'S OFFICIAL: The Webster baseball team has finished the SLIAC regular season unbeaten.
Perfect...
http://websterathletics.com/news/2009/4/28/BB_0428090737.aspx
Congratulations Webster 24-0 is quite an accomplishment. Best of luck to you and all the other teams in the conference tournament. If you are the team to move on, represent us well.
Webster obviously showed up for conference play this year, now the tourney is going to start here pretty soon, if it ever stops raining and we can finish up the regular season. The 3 4 5 spots are still up for grabs. here are the 3-4-5 teams right now
Fontbonne (10-9) -Has games left against Blackburn (1), Eureka (1), Principia (3)
*I think personally that Fontbonne is locked into the playoffs. Even if Blackburn were to beat them they wouldnt have to hard of a road after that.
Greenville (11-10) Has games left against Westminster (3)
*Win out and they are in. Period. Otherwise they have to hope for Blackburn to faulter against Fontbonne and Maryville, both teams they hold a 1-1 conference record against. BUT Blackburn in the past two weeks have been 1-2 against both Last place MacMurray and last place (at the time) Westminster. That puts Greenville in the drivers seat. Their games against Westminster will be the games of the week. They at least have to win 2 out of 3 and hope Blackburn loses 1.
Blackburn (11-11) Has games left against Fontbonne (1), and Maryville (1)
*Their best hope is that Greenville takes only 2-3 and they win out. If they were to end up in a tie Blackburn holds the tie breaker. Also, if Greenville takes 1 out of 3 from Westmin, Blackburn will have some room for error in one game. They basically HAVE to win even though they mathmatically dont HAVE to win both as long as Greenville loses some games. Like the Greenville games, BOTH Blackburn games this week will be games of the week.
Also, perhaps Webster should consider going D2 instead of Maryville. HA!
It's going to be an exciting finish in the SLIAC
Blackburn puts some MAJOR pressure on themselves after a heartbreaking loss today..
Down 3-0 and being no hit in the 9th heres the run down from there..
fly out..
fly out...
No hitter going 8 2/3
Pitcher Walks Holman
Snidle Hit and Run with Holman (Bloop Single) runners on 1st and 3rd
Steckle steps up hits a ball 3 inches from being a homerun (off the top of the fence) which would have tied the game (2RBI double)
Steckle sits on second and watches Kittell take 3 balls right down the middle of the plate. END of game
Final score
Maryville 3 - Blackburn 2
This puts Greenville up 2 games. If Greenville takes two of three from Westminster they are in... if they take one of three Blackburn holds the tie breaker and must beat fontbonne to get in.. Blackburn MUST WIN the next game or they are out either way. And they have to hope than Westminster beats up on Greenville.
Awful quiet around here...
With all the rain in the forecast for the next week, I say we take the teams that have relevant games left to Milwaukee's Miller Park, close the roof and finish the regular season and the tournament. ;D
I am up for that! Ha! I want free tickets though. or at least no more than 5$
Things could get really interesting in the next few days. If Fontbonne were to drop 1 of their 4 remaining games (1 vs Blackburn, 3 vs Principia) and Greenville were to sweep Westminster, not only would Greenville get in the tournament, but they would host the #2 seed Maryville in the first round. While Maryville handled Greenville pretty easily this season, they can't be excited about possibly playing one of the hottest teams in the conference on their home field. If anyone has access to updates on the Fontbonne-Blackburn game (should be starting right now) please share.
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Things could get really interesting in the next few days. If Fontbonne were to drop 1 of their 4 remaining games (1 vs Blackburn, 3 vs Principia) and Greenville were to sweep Westminster, not only would Greenville get in the tournament, but they would host the #2 seed Maryville in the first round. While Maryville handled Greenville pretty easily this season, they can't be excited about possibly playing one of the hottest teams in the conference on their home field. If anyone has access to updates on the Fontbonne-Blackburn game (should be starting right now) please share.
rained out. rescheduled for sunday.
Definitley an exciting sprint to the finish here for the 3 and 4 spots yesterday. With Blackburn's heartbreaker yesterday, they now need to beat Fontbonne and hope for a little help from Prin. Greenville has a 3 game set against Westminister. All three teams wanna get in obviously, but would be lying if they told you they wouldn't mind getting the four seed. Nobody would wanna face Webster to start of the tournament. That first game of the tournament is huge. Lose, and you're in trouble. Win, and you've got a little breathing room. Gotta love pennant races.
Anybody know where the conf tourney is held in Highland? Not too familiar with the IL side, too bad we cant make a stop at Fast Eddies this year before the conf tourney, was nice having it at Gordon Moore, nice field to play on.
games will be played at GLIK Park in Highland
Alright guys. Here is a question for you...who is your pitcher of the year and player of the year?
Andrew Fuiten
Alright. I can see how you could get that. He is a great hitter. Now, who would be your Pitcher of the Year?
Quote from: ThatGuy on April 30, 2009, 09:28:05 PM
Alright. I can see how you could get that. He is a great hitter. Now, who would be your Pitcher of the Year?
Webster's #1... they are unbeaten in SLIAC play so they should get BOTH awards.
Quote from: ThatGuy on April 30, 2009, 08:08:41 PM
Alright guys. Here is a question for you...who is your pitcher of the year and player of the year?
Fuiten or Biagini from Webster will take Player of the Year.
The pitcher of the year will be tough. Stenzel from Maryville has great numbers, but he has only appeared in 5 games all year.......Only 4 of those appearances in SLIAC play. Bryce Law from Webster has a very strong argument. He has appeared in 8 SLIAC games with an ERA of 0.68 for a 4-0 record. He has started and come out of the pen. I would say it's between those two. Savage from Webster gets an honorable mention. Kollack from Maryville probably would have been in there if he hadn't faced Webster. Stenzel never had to face Webster which probably saved his ERA a couple of points.
So you are saying because Kollack had to face Webster he is out of the race? Have you seen that kid's numbers? Even with the lose to Webster, he pitched pretty well against them and has dominated the rest of the teams he had faced. Now, I will agree with you on the fact that Law should also be considered, but with only a 4-0 record really doesn't justify it for me.
I also don't think just because Webster went undefeated that they deserve both awards.
Kollack is only 3-1 in the conference and his ERA is over 3 times higher than Law's in SLIAC play. Law also has a lower ERA overall. 61 SO's is nice, but his other numbers are only 5th best in the conference. I don't agree that they simply get the award because they were undefeated, but you can't argue with Law's SLIAC numbers.
Well first of all you are wrong completely with Kollack's numbers. He pitched last night and threw 6 innings of no-hit ball against Blackburn last night. He is 4-1 with a 3.2 ERA. He has 71 strikeouts, the opposing teams are only hitting barely over .200, and he is second in hits given up. I'd say that alone is pretty solid numbers.
Yep, I missed 1 start so my numbers are completely wrong for Kollack. Law's numbers didn't change after Kollack's start last night though. Law is still 4-0 with a 0.68 ERA and has only given up 9 hits in 26 1/3 in the SLIAC. This averages to approximately 1 hit every 3 innings.
Kollack has allowed 25 hits in 36 1/3 even after his SPECTACULAR 6 innings of no-hit ball last night. This averages to approximately 1 hit every 1 1/2 innings. His record is 4-1 and his conference ERA is over 3.00. He does have more strikeouts than Law and more innings pitched.
I'm only comparing SLIAC numbers because that's the only equal measuring stick since the strength of non-conference schedules varies greatly.
Did I miss anything else?
P.S. You sound like a Maryville fan. Tell them that Division II teams update their websites regularly and generally dominate Division III before moving to DII. They have a lot to learn before next year on many levels.
Ouch...I see karma points being lost on that one!
Player of the Year: Fuiten ... I don't think there is any debate to it. Yes, Biagini has but up solid numbers. Most of which has been of late though. I know classification shouldn't mean much, but Fuiten is a senior and Biagini is a freshman. In addition, you usually have to be head and shoulders above the reigning Player of the Year to unseat them.
Pitcher of the Year: That is very difficult to me ... One you have Bryce Law. He has been spectacular lately. You can point to the numbers 4-0, 0.68 ERA. He has made three starts, and two of which have been complete games ... Two, there is Will Savage, who has been the "ace" of the Webster staff all season ... He is 6-0 and 1 save with a 1.29 ERA ...Three, there is Bryan "The Hawk" Stanley .... It seems like he is always coming out of the 'pen is a key situation for the Gorloks. It can be said that Stanley is as important as any member of the pitching staff. His numbers are impressive as well, 5-0, 1.50 ERA .... DRUM ROLL PLEASE ...... Will Savage
Quote from: ThatGuy on April 30, 2009, 09:42:06 PM
So you are saying because Kollack had to face Webster he is out of the race? Have you seen that kid's numbers? Even with the lose to Webster, he pitched pretty well against them and has dominated the rest of the teams he had faced. Now, I will agree with you on the fact that Law should also be considered, but with only a 4-0 record really doesn't justify it for me.
I also don't think just because Webster went undefeated that they deserve both awards.
You a big Rickey Henderson fan? Why the third-person references? Just say "I deserve to be considered" and be done with it.
Congrats go out to Webster DH Joe Biagini for earning a national accolade as he was named the National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association's Division III National Hitter of the Week.
Link to article http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/4/30/SB_0430090322.aspx (http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/4/30/SB_0430090322.aspx)
Quote from: JAdaPrince on May 01, 2009, 12:34:18 AM
Player of the Year: Fuiten ... I don't think there is any debate to it. Yes, Biagini has but up solid numbers. Most of which has been of late though. I know classification shouldn't mean much, but Fuiten is a senior and Biagini is a freshman. In addition, you usually have to be head and shoulders above the reigning Player of the Year to unseat them.
Pitcher of the Year: That is very difficult to me ... One you have Bryce Law. He has been spectacular lately. You can point to the numbers 4-0, 0.68 ERA. He has made three starts, and two of which have been complete games ... Two, there is Will Savage, who has been the "ace" of the Webster staff all season ... He is 6-0 and 1 save with a 1.29 ERA ...Three, there is Bryan "The Hawk" Stanley .... It seems like he is always coming out of the 'pen is a key situation for the Gorloks. It can be said that Stanley is as important as any member of the pitching staff. His numbers are impressive as well, 5-0, 1.50 ERA .... DRUM ROLL PLEASE ...... Will Savage
Im going to agree here. Once again im not looking to cut down Webster, but in the case of Bryce Law, he has pitched against bad teams. He in all reality has one quality win. A 14-2 win over Maryville. And any pitcher when their team scores 14 runs SHOULD win. Now i realize thats not always the case. However his other 3 wins were against MacMurray, Eureka, and Westminster (all three in the bottom of the SLIAC) One of his wins is in a game that he didnt start.. He only pitched two innings at the end of the game.
Will Savage has pitched 6 quality wins in which he has only given up 5 Earned Runs, two of which were in the same game in a 19-4 stomping of Eureka. Also Savage has a Save in one of Law's games (the 3-0 win over Mac). Overall I see Savage as the Ace and Law as the guy that goes out there against weaker SLIAC teams. Dont get me wrong, he is still pitching well, VERY well, but not well enough to be the Pitcher of the Year. That award goes to Savage in
MY BOOK.
Also Im going with either Joe Biagini or Adam Cadle for newcomer of the year. Any thoughts on that? I know Biagini's numbers are great, but Cadle has really become a leader at Blackburn, and I think leadership as well as numbers Offensively and Defensivly. should factor into the Newcomer of the Year
I'm not looking to argue either because I think Savage & Law have been equally good and important to Webster this year. However, I don't agree that 14-2 victory should be used against a pitcher. He threw 7 innings, giving up 3 hits and 1 earned run against the top hitting team in the conference at the time. Are you saying that it would make him look better if his team had only scored 3 runs and he had gotten a 3-2 win?
Also keep in mind that all teams in the SLIAC aside from Webster and Maryville are bad. You could count Fontbonne as average considering they are slightly over .500 in both the SLIAC and overall. Everyone else is struggling to stay above water in the conference and has lousy records overall. There are only 4 teams that are hitting over .300 (Webster, Maryville, Fontbonne, Principia).
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 01, 2009, 10:17:19 AM
I'm not looking to argue either because I think Savage & Law have been equally good and important to Webster this year. However, I don't agree that 14-2 victory should be used against a pitcher. He threw 7 innings, giving up 3 hits and 1 earned run against the top hitting team in the conference at the time. Are you saying that it would make him look better if his team had only scored 3 runs and he had gotten a 3-2 win? Not at all. I never once said it would make him look better or that its being used against him. That is not what i was saying. I was saying that was the only QUALITY team that he pitched against and that with 14 runs worth of support ANY pitcher should win. Period. Thats what the point was.
Also keep in mind that all teams in the SLIAC aside from Webster and Maryville are bad. WRONG You could count Fontbonne as average considering they are slightly over .500 in both the SLIAC and overall. Everyone else is struggling to stay above water in the conference and has lousy records overall. There are only 4 teams that are hitting over .300 (Webster, Maryville, Fontbonne, Principia). Just because teams are below .500 doesnt mean they arent good or arent a threat. This is where you are mistaken. I will argue that fontbonne is a pretty good team. They beat WashU earlier this year, and WashU beat Webster in a close game just two weeks ago. Not to mention Greenville is playing some really good ball right now and are extremely hot. And Blackburn is still hanging around. Although I do see where you are coming from, I think you are not giving enough credit where credit is due.
My comments to your questions are above in your quote but in red.
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 01, 2009, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 01, 2009, 10:17:19 AM
I'm not looking to argue either because I think Savage & Law have been equally good and important to Webster this year. However, I don't agree that 14-2 victory should be used against a pitcher. He threw 7 innings, giving up 3 hits and 1 earned run against the top hitting team in the conference at the time. Are you saying that it would make him look better if his team had only scored 3 runs and he had gotten a 3-2 win? Not at all. I never once said it would make him look better or that its being used against him. That is not what i was saying. I was saying that was the only QUALITY team that he pitched against and that with 14 runs worth of support ANY pitcher should win. Period. Thats what the point was.
Also keep in mind that all teams in the SLIAC aside from Webster and Maryville are bad. WRONG You could count Fontbonne as average considering they are slightly over .500 in both the SLIAC and overall. Everyone else is struggling to stay above water in the conference and has lousy records overall. There are only 4 teams that are hitting over .300 (Webster, Maryville, Fontbonne, Principia). Just because teams are below .500 doesnt mean they arent good or arent a threat. This is where you are mistaken. I will argue that fontbonne is a pretty good team. They beat WashU earlier this year, and WashU beat Webster in a close game just two weeks ago. Not to mention Greenville is playing some really good ball right now and are extremely hot. And Blackburn is still hanging around. Although I do see where you are coming from, I think you are not giving enough credit where credit is due.
My comments to your questions are above in your quote but in red.
Wash U was not in the SLIAC last I checked, but here are some relevant scores vs the only team that has significantly separated itself from the SLIAC pack:
Webster defeated Maryville: 8-1, 5-0, 14-2
Webster defeated Fontbonne: 14-3, 17-2, 8-1
Webster defeated Greenville: 13-7, 12-4, 10-1
Webster defeated Blackburn: 9-5, 15-5, 18-5
I'm sorry, but I can't classify any of these teams as "threats" or as "pretty good". I will give these teams credit when they earn it.
Hey depew24,
I got you man.....I'm -8 Karma now. You've been too nice lately.
BIGTOUGHGUY-I never said WashU was in the SLIAC i was giving a game that showed that Fontbonne could compete.. ALSO any team on any given day can be a threat. Thats why baseball is such a great sport. and if you cant admit that, look at all the division 3 over division 1 upsets this season. and the NAIA upset over the MLB Pirates. All im trying to say is you dont give credit to anyone. There are so many Webster homers on this board its a little rediculous. Perhaps you guys should make your own board and call it I love Webster. I wasnt trying to take anything away from them. I was just stating a fact. Im sharing the love equally among all teams. But you guys come one here all the time and cut EVERYONE down and praise Webster and it gets pretty old (Its not all Webster posters, just some of you... you know who you are.) And getting us back to the original point of our conversation.. I was actually just stating that one WEBSTER PITCHERS should be the pitcher of the year over ANOTHER WEBSTER PITCHER. I wasnt asking for you to start knocking other teams. Perhaps that is why your karma is so low. However I have been knocked down some too. I think someone is just coming in here and knocking everyone down. But sometimes the negitive Karma is earned.
I'm just keeping my thoughts to myself because WU is taking care of business and completed an undefeated conference season like I said and now people around here are getting to see exactly what they can do. It's a fun team to watch.
Since people have changed their tune I'll be a little quiet ;)
The funny thing is that every time my 'karma' goes down I know that someone read my stuff and took it to heart so it's fine with me. I couldn't care less about karma points, it's funny to me!
I said it all before the season got going that WU would be a force and they have lived up to the expectations that they set for themselves last season and that's what defines a great team. Each year they set the bar higher and higher and each year they go above and beyond. Congrats to Joe Biagini on his week of crushing everything at the plate. Between Biagini and Fuiten things will be very interesting. Schaefer had a nice confidence booster last series which should do him well going into the tourney. Kyle Starnes has quietly had a nice season hitting .385 too. You want to talk about a kid with the heart for baseball, it's him.
As far as not being able to replace the pitching that WU lost last season I think this years staff has done a fine job.
Let's get this rain past us and get to some baseball.
Anyone know if Fontbonne & Principia played tonight? Greenville defeated Westminster 5-1 in the first game and was leading 8-3 after five innings in the second game before play was suspended because of darkness.
Nevermind, it just showed up on the SLIAC site. Principia won game 1 by the score of 5-0, Fontbonne took game 2 7-3.
two big games tomorrow for webster, 2 wins should knock Wash U out of contention for a bid for the tourney. Also, 2 big non conference wins for those of you posters who are degrading webster's nonconference record.
tough loss for webster today.....one hitter thrown by wash u......only hit was home run by freshman ryan howard for webster.
Quote from: Albert Poo Holes on May 02, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
tough loss for webster today.....one hitter thrown by wash u......only hit was home run by freshman ryan howard for webster.
That loss could hurt them if they stunble in the tourney... great win for WashU.
Quote from: Albert Poo Holes on May 02, 2009, 02:36:25 AM
two big games tomorrow for webster, 2 wins should knock Wash U out of contention for a bid for the tourney. Also, 2 big non conference wins for those of you posters who are degrading webster's nonconference record.
Dear Mr. Latrine,
While I have never (overtly) degraded Webster's non-conference record, Wash U swept Webster, 5-1 and 3-0, probably locking up a pool B bid.
I am ambivalent about your
nom de post.
Sincerely,
Albert Pujols
Good games between Wash U and Webster today. Outside of a mistake slider by Savage (that was hit for a 3 run hr) and a few Webster errors the games were pretty close. That said, Wash U's defense was superior today as they made no errors and they hit well enough to win. This makes the SLIAC tourney all the more important for Webster, and Wash U probably has a pool B bid (and maybe a #3 or 4 in the next regional rankings) locked up.
Wash U's now won their last 5 games against Greenville, Maryville and Webster by a total of 36-5.
Greenville secured the third spot in the conference today against Westminster finishing the suspended game from yesterday with an 8-4 win and winning the final regular season game 15-12 in a ten-inning nailbiter. The Panthers started the conference schedule 0-9 with sweeps by Webster, Maryville and Blackburn. Even though I know they were playing the lower tier teams in the SLIAC, their 14-1 run was pretty impressive and I hope it gives them some momentum into the tournament against first-round opponent Maryville. GO PANTHERS!!!
So lets take a look at how these teams match up in the playoffs.
Round 1:
Webster (1) vs. Fontbonne (4)
24-0 13-10
Hitting:
Batting AVG. .342 .331
Hits 426 402
Doubles 91 56
Triples 3 6
HR 54 19
Runs 362 283
BB 156 120
HBP 43 37
K's 199 189
OB% .429 .403
SB 81 67
Fielding:
PO 874 864
E 79 89
Fielding% .940 .932
Pitching:
ERA 4.26 5.97
CG 10 6
Hits Allowed 302 371
R 198 267
ER 138 191
Doubles 69 60
Triples 5 7
HR 17 41
K's 262 213
BB 106 134
It looks like Fontbonne is obviously going to be largely overmatched in this round 1 tournament game. Webster is going to present MUCH MORE power hitting and a lot more stolen bases, plus a very deep quality pitching core. Although Webster doesnt fan every batter, they are good at getting the ball on the ground and letting the fielders do the work which you can clearly see by the amount of runs they gave up and small amount of errors made. In order for Fontbonne to put up any fight this first round they MUST play flawless ball, No errors, making routine plays and some great plays as well and hitters HAVE to show up to hit. Horn must really step up and hit AND keep all Webster runners close. I think Webster will take this game 12-3.
Maryville (2) vs. Greenville(3)
16-6 14-10
Hitting:
Batting AVG. .330 .302
Hits 376 369
Doubles 96 69
Triples 10 9
HR 11 17
Runs 255 244
BB 128 109
HBP 21 30
K's 171 218
OB% .402 .369
SB 46 49
Fielding:
PO 793 874
E 45 97
Fielding% .961 .928
Pitching:
ERA 5.52 7.37
CG 7 6
Hits Allowed 288 427
R 208 324
ER 162 239
Doubles 48 82
Triples 4 13
HR 16 28
K's 226 199
BB 111 160
Greenville looks to be the weakest team in the tournament. Their pitching hasnt really held up to well this season and although they do have almost 200 strikeouts, they are over 150 walks. Their defense lacks as well. They have the lowest Fielding % and most errors. They do however know how to win games nomatter what it takes. Coming into the tourney red hot will help them out, but i dont think it will be enough to take down Maryville. Maryvilles pitching staff is deep and quality and speedy hitters spray the balls all over the field and let their legs do the talking. Even though they dont steal many bases it doesnt mean they cant. They were only caught stealing 6 times the whole season. Look for them to do a lot of running with a mediocre catcher behind the dish for Greenville. All in all I think Maryville takes this game 6-2.
Just my predictions (Not Meant to Offend ANYONE)
The main plus I see for Greenville versus Maryville in the 1st round is Andy Rincker (4-2, 4.20 ERA, 60 IP). Maryville did not face him in their regular season 3-game set, other than one inning of relief. I am assuming he will be our 1st game starter. He has been pitching very well in the second half. Maryville will counter with either Kollack or Murfin. Kollack held us to 6 hits, 2 runs and had 14 strikeouts in a 17-2 rout. If they decide to 'save' Kollack for Webster and throw Murfin against us then it's a tossup. Murfin's stats against Greenville were 5IP, 4H, 3BB, 4R, & 3K, but he did get the win in an 8-7 game.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 04, 2009, 11:55:35 AM
The main plus I see for Greenville versus Maryville in the 1st round is Andy Rincker (4-2, 4.20 ERA, 60 IP). Maryville did not face him in their regular season 3-game set, other than one inning of relief. I am assuming he will be our 1st game starter. He has been pitching very well in the second half. Maryville will counter with either Kollack or Murfin. Kollack held us to 6 hits, 2 runs and had 14 strikeouts in a 17-2 rout. If they decide to 'save' Kollack for Webster and throw Murfin against us then it's a tossup. Murfin's stats against Greenville were 5IP, 4H, 3BB, 4R, & 3K, but he did get the win in an 8-7 game.
Not trying to be nitpicky, and I know they set this up far in advance, but it's unfortunate for Maryville that they are the higher seed but have to play a virtual road game.
A couple other random thoughts:
WashU showed this past weekend that if you get a lights out pitching performance, Webster can be beat. Fontbonne's gonna have to get one to have a chance.
Webster hasn't lost a conference tournament game since they started it back up around 2005 (I think that was the year).
Someone said the other day that it was possible that the #2 vs. #3 game will actually be played in Highland, so as not to give us the 'home field advantage'. Does anyone know this as fact?
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 04, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
A couple other random thoughts:
WashU showed this past weekend that if you get a lights out pitching performance, Webster can be beat. Fontbonne's gonna have to get one to have a chance.
Webster hasn't lost a conference tournament game since they started it back up around 2005 (I think that was the year).
Couple of things to say about this. WashU beat Webster 3 times. And they didnt need a lights out pitching performance in any game. Actually one of those games Webster score 15 runs and still couldnt pull it out. Dont get me wrong, im a SLIAC guy, but im just stating facts here. Webster has played very well as of late and WILL obviously be the team to beat in the tourney just like they were all season. I said this a couple of days ago as a joke and it still is, but perhaps Webster should think about going d2 not Maryville
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 04, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
Someone said the other day that it was possible that the #2 vs. #3 game will actually be played in Highland, so as not to give us the 'home field advantage'. Does anyone know this as fact?
All games will be played this season at Glik Park in Highland Illinois.
Is there a link to the tourney website?
So a 5-1 win and 3-0 wins aren't lights out pitching performances. If Webster continued to mash like they did against Eureka, I doubt WashU's 5 runs and 3 runs would have held up. You're right about the 15-13 game or whatever it was, but I'd say Wash U's pitching won them the double header over the weekend. No doubt that Websters the team to beat, but if someone throws a gem like Wash U did, they won't be invincible. Now the question is, can anyone from Fontbonne, Greenville, or Maryville do that. They couldn't during the conference season.
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 04, 2009, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 04, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
Someone said the other day that it was possible that the #2 vs. #3 game will actually be played in Highland, so as not to give us the 'home field advantage'. Does anyone know this as fact?
All games will be played this season at Glik Park in Highland Illinois.
Up until last night on the SLIAC site it had been showing the first round game between #2 & #3 would be played at Greenville starting at 3:00 Thursday, and the #1 vs. #4 at Glik starting at 4:00 Thursday. It also had a disclaimer that the two first round game sites could be flip-flopped depending on the participants. It now shows everything as TBA. If they plan on all games at Glik, they will have to start earlier on Thursday to get the first three games in.
Tournament site:
http://www.sliac.org/mens3/mbaseball/tournament.htm
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 04, 2009, 01:03:20 PM
So a 5-1 win and 3-0 wins aren't lights out pitching performances. If Webster continued to mash like they did against Eureka, I doubt WashU's 5 runs and 3 runs would have held up. You're right about the 15-13 game or whatever it was, but I'd say Wash U's pitching won them the double header over the weekend. No doubt that Websters the team to beat, but if someone throws a gem like Wash U did, they won't be invincible. Now the question is, can anyone from Fontbonne, Greenville, or Maryville do that. They couldn't during the conference season.
Well, WashU is a much different team than Eureka. But i do see what you are saying. Also, I am thinkig one or the other., Murphin throws game on against Greenville, and Kollack in game 2 against Webster. Now i know Kollack got pretty beat up against Webster last time he threw. Webster gave him his first loss. In 6.1 Innings he gave up 8 hits, 8 runs(7 earned), walked 3 and struck out 5. Not exactly his best outting. Another possibility could be Maryville beats Greenville with Kollack, and throws Schwartz against Webster. Last time Schwarts threw against Webster he threw all 7 innings, gave up 6 hits 5 runs (4 of which were earned)4 walks and 4 k's. Only problem is, Maryville's hitters didnt show up and got shut out by Broughton. I think its going to end up being all on Maryvilles hitting if they want to upset Webster. They have to come out strong and keep on running. Now if Kollack throws against Greenville they should get to the Webster game fairly easily because last time he faced greenville he beat them 17-2 only giving up 6 hits in 7 innings, 2 runs 1 walk and
14 Strikeouts. But that game the hitters definatly need to show up. Basically Maryville needs to throw Kollack game 1 and deal with Greenville in the same fashion as the last meeting they had and then use the same offense to back up schwartz as he pitches against Webster because weve seen he can hold his own against webster, just the OFFENSE MUST show up!
Poll:
Does anyone think that Maryville, FU, or GC actually has a chance to beat Webster. Webster's victories during the regular season against almost everyone were SOOO lopsided. I wonder if the postseason will be any different. I'd like to see some competitive action rather than just Webster marching their way easily to the regional. Back in the 05 and 06 season, I know Webster/Blackburn and Webster/Greenville had some thrilling SLIAC tournament games. I'm hoping we can see one of the other three teams play at their highest level of the season and give Webster a run for their money.
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 04, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Poll:
Does anyone think that Maryville, FU, or GC actually has a chance to beat Webster. Webster's victories during the regular season against almost everyone were SOOO lopsided. I wonder if the postseason will be any different. I'd like to see some competitive action rather than just Webster marching their way easily to the regional. Back in the 05 and 06 season, I know Webster/Blackburn and Webster/Greenville had some thrilling SLIAC tournament games. I'm hoping we can see one of the other three teams play at their highest level of the season and give Webster a run for their money.
Be careful what you ask for. A quick stumble this week and Webster could be heading home for the summer.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 04, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Poll:
Does anyone think that Maryville, FU, or GC actually has a chance to beat Webster. Webster's victories during the regular season against almost everyone were SOOO lopsided. I wonder if the postseason will be any different. I'd like to see some competitive action rather than just Webster marching their way easily to the regional. Back in the 05 and 06 season, I know Webster/Blackburn and Webster/Greenville had some thrilling SLIAC tournament games. I'm hoping we can see one of the other three teams play at their highest level of the season and give Webster a run for their money.
Be careful what you ask for. A quick stumble this week and Webster could be heading home for the summer.
That's kinda what I wish for....(just kidding crazy Webster fans)
Big Poppa is right. I would say that Webster has the best team to represent the SLIAC after the tournament, but they cannot stumble. I would think they are well aware of this and I hope that if they do happen to slip, we get to see the real character of the Gorlok players. I know that a tounrament loss will not humble any of the Webster posters on this board which is why I have been a reader more than a poster in the past couple of weeks. But I hope that a loss in the tournament would prove to us all that Webster is a class act.
oneandonly you have come up with a great preview and I don't think you are far off. That said, it is tournament time and anything could happen.
I am excited to see how teams handle themselves when the unavoidable heartbreak and joyess achievment hits.
You're stating the obvious, no team in any match-up can slip up but there are some teams that can afford to slip more than others. WU has a much better shot to slip than any other team.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 12:53:30 PM
Is there a link to the tourney website?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 04, 2009, 12:53:30 PM
Is there a link to the tourney website?
http://www.sliac.org/mens3/mbaseball/tournament.htm
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 04, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Poll:
Does anyone think that Maryville, FU, or GC actually has a chance to beat Webster. Webster's victories during the regular season against almost everyone were SOOO lopsided. I wonder if the postseason will be any different. I'd like to see some competitive action rather than just Webster marching their way easily to the regional. Back in the 05 and 06 season, I know Webster/Blackburn and Webster/Greenville had some thrilling SLIAC tournament games. I'm hoping we can see one of the other three teams play at their highest level of the season and give Webster a run for their money.
In the world of sports, anything is possible.
all S&%^ talking aside, lets hope for an entertaining and even tournament!
ps... doesnt all conference teams come out soon?
Quote from: flyonthewall on May 05, 2009, 01:23:11 AM
all S&%^ talking aside, lets hope for an entertaining and even tournament!
ps... doesnt all conference teams come out soon?
Conference awards to be announced and presented during the All-Star Trophy Awards Ceremony prior to Game #5 of the tournament.
Blackburn will finish out their season tonight against Illinois Wesylan. Congrats to the seniors, Mike Snidle, Josh Holman, Scott Ward, Matt Ozee, Luke Vallero, and Jason Steckel, Its been fun to watch you guys grow and play. Good luck with everything.
It looks like the neutral site heavily favors Fontbonne:
Neutral site records:
Fontbonne 4-4
Maryville 1-4
Webster 1-6
Greenville 1-10
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 05, 2009, 10:48:28 AM
It looks like the neutral site heavily favors Fontbonne:
Neutral site records:
Fontbonne 4-4
Maryville 1-4
Webster 1-6
Greenville 1-10
WOW! That is the single greatest instance of twisting the statictics I have ever seen:) You should work for the government.
You know, I have some pretty legit posts lately, and they have had good info. I mustbe the only one in here who can give karma.. haha.. besides the drive by Negitive Karma guy who has knocked everyone down.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 05, 2009, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 05, 2009, 10:48:28 AM
It looks like the neutral site heavily favors Fontbonne:
Neutral site records:
Fontbonne 4-4
Maryville 1-4
Webster 1-6
Greenville 1-10
WOW! That is the single greatest instance of twisting the statictics I have ever seen:) You should work for the government.
I should have added a big grin ;D , a couple of winks ;) ;) , and an eye roll ::).
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 05, 2009, 11:20:26 AM
You know, I have some pretty legit posts lately, and they have had good info. I mustbe the only one in here who can give karma.. haha.. besides the drive by Negitive Karma guy who has knocked everyone down.
I have been hit pretty hard by him too. Sometimes, the truth is tough to swallow for fans.
Yep, it looks like he's been hitting me too! :D
Well in today's economy I can't afford to lose any more karma........
Quote from: depew24 on May 05, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
Well in today's economy I can't afford to lose any more karma........
Surely karma was covered in the stimulus package somewhere!
I sure hope so!!!!!!
Back to baseball.. haha.. Blackburn upset Illinois Weslyan last night 9-8 in a 9 inning game. Senior Jason Steckel lead the Beavers charge going 2-4 with 3 RBI and Junior Tony Matecki followed going 2-5. In the 7th Senior Josh Holman Doubled with the bases loaded to tie the game at 8 in a 3 run inning. Soon after in the 8th after a botched Sac bunt by Spala, who reached base but got his runner thrown out at second, scored from second base on a ball that was booted by the second basemen. Let me remind you that the ball also never left the infield. Although the Beavers choked away their playoff hopes last week, last night they played well enough to beat any team in the SLIAC and CCIW. Believe it or not, the numbers, for once, were there to prove it. Congrats again to all the seniors.
Here is a link to the baseball tourney that starts tomorrow.
http://www.sliac.org/headlines/2008-09/sliac_bsb_050509.htm
And the way it looks, all games will be played at GLIK Park in Highland Illinois.
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 06, 2009, 09:19:14 AM
Back to baseball.. haha.. Blackburn upset Illinois Weslyan last night 9-8 in a 9 inning game. Senior Jason Steckel lead the Beavers charge going 2-4 with 3 RBI and Junior Tony Matecki followed going 2-5. In the 7th Senior Josh Holman Doubled with the bases loaded to tie the game at 8 in a 3 run inning. Soon after in the 8th after a botched Sac bunt by Spala, who reached base but got his runner thrown out at second, scored from second base on a ball that was booted by the second basemen. Let me remind you that the ball also never left the infield. Although the Beavers choked away their playoff hopes last week, last night they played well enough to beat any team in the SLIAC and CCIW. Believe it or not, the numbers, for once, were there to prove it. Congrats again to all the seniors.
Here is a link to the baseball tourney that starts tomorrow.
http://www.sliac.org/headlines/2008-09/sliac_bsb_050509.htm
And the way it looks, all games will be played at GLIK Park in Highland Illinois.
Wow, another in-region loss for Illinois is a big blow......especially if they are unable to knock off Carthage in the CCIW tournament. Regardless of strength of schedule, I don't think 23-14 gets anyone an at-large bid.
websters run to the world series begins at 530 tomorrow
Providing Webster handles its business in the SLIAC tournament, the Blackburn victory helps the Gorloks immensely. After trailing the Titans for second place in the region, WU could hop up and take the second seed. The top seed could be possible if neither Carthage or IWU claims the CCIW.
But, the Gorloks shouldn't focus too far ahead. They are three wins away from qualifying for Regionals.
3-13 out of conference makes that pretty much impossible... Webster will be the 3 at best
welcome to the board johnnyU but if you look back to the past two weeks of our conversations weve already come to the realization that Webster is 3-13 out of conference. A lot of the losses were early on too. Thanks for joining the board but do a little reading first.
Ouch...Welcome to the board JU. Don't worry about him, he can be grouchy! ;D If that's your opinion then it doesn't matter what's been said before.
Quote from: depew24 on May 06, 2009, 11:03:43 PM
Ouch...Welcome to the board JU. Don't worry about him, he can be grouchy! ;D If that's your opinion then it doesn't matter what's been said before.
Not grouchy, its just been said about 12,331 times.
Quote from: JAdaPrince on May 06, 2009, 04:09:10 PM
Providing Webster handles its business in the SLIAC tournament, the Blackburn victory helps the Gorloks immensely. After trailing the Titans for second place in the region, WU could hop up and take the second seed. The top seed could be possible if neither Carthage or IWU claims the CCIW.
But, the Gorloks shouldn't focus too far ahead. They are three wins away from qualifying for Regionals.
I think Carthage has the top seed locked down in the Central region regardless of what happens this weekend. while the Gorloks have very impressive numbers, the committee appears to be weighing SOS very heavily which does not help Webster at all. The SLIAC is very weak this year and Webster did not have a chance to build up their SOS numbers insdie of SLIAC play like BOTH Carthage and IWU did. Still, with that being said, webster does play a solid non-conference schedule which helps them a bit, but not enough to overcome the SLIAC schedule. You can argue it all you want, but look at what the committee has done with the SOS numbers and you can see which direction they are leaning.
Obviously the CCIW teams have much tougher schedules (usually)and the top two Carthage and IWU have played some pretty tough teams. Although IWU lost to Blackburn which SHOULD put a dent in their record and Regional record it probably wont kick them back much if at all, even though it should. They lost to a 13-19 team. I am looking forward to this baseball tourney. Should be an exciting weekend in the SLIAC and im looking forward to someone doing damage at regionals just like the 6 seeded Webster did last season.
theoneandonly,
I agree with you that it should hurt IWU, but probably won't. The whole system is screwed up in my opinion.
IWU has embarrassed themselves as #2 & #1 seeds the past two years when they were supposed to be an elite team. None of the 3 CCIW teams even made it to a regional final last year. Carthage made it to the World Series in 2007, but the CCIW had a 50% chance of doing so with 3 teams in the same regional. I know the CCIW is highly rated year after year, but it is starting to remind me of BIG 10 Conference Football. Everyone tells us how great Ohio State is, how great Penn State is, yet the BIG 10 turns in combined bowl records of 2-5(2006) 3-5(2007) 1-6(2008).
I'm still not drinking the CCIW Baseball Koo-Aid. If they turn in dominating performances this year, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong. However, Carthage might be their only form of representation.
If we can get internet access at Glik Park, you can follow the SLIAC tournament on my twitter site .... www.twitter.com/JAdaPrince
Quote from: JAdaPrince on May 07, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
If we can get internet access at Glik Park, you can follow the SLIAC tournament on my twitter site .... www.twitter.com/JAdaPrince
Hey JAda I just tried this link and it says your profile doesnt exsist?
I agree it's been said many times but with JU being a new member it's alright for him to say it.
Quote from: depew24 on May 07, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
I agree it's been said many times but with JU being a new member it's alright for him to say it.
I dont know that he is a new poster though, I have a feeling he is a drive by CCIW guy.
that twitter page didnt work!!!!
please someone have live coverage of the SLIAC games PLEASE!
the SLIAC tournament page now has live stats links next to all of the games
http://www.sliac.org/mens3/mbaseball/tournament.htm
at 2:30 Maryville takes on Greenville.... Greenville may be able to stay close with a good pitching performance, but I see the Saints winning 11-4
Then Fontbonne vs Webster.. I would call this the best game of the opening round. Fontbonne at times has looked like the #2 team in this conference. They should have won the series with Maryville, but blew one late. I think Fontbonne gives Webster a better game than people will expect.
Webster 6, Fotbonne 4
In the nightcap, I have Fontbonne vs. Greenville in the Elim game. I will take Fontbonne with a 12-5 win.
On Day 2, I have Webster beating Maryville in game 1, by a score of 7 to 2.
In the next elimination game I have Maryville eeking out a win over Fontbonne 7-6, but I could see this one going either way.
In the championship game I expect Webster to finish the complete perfect SLIAC season in a 12-5 win over Maryville, as I see Maryville running into pitching problems.
New regional rankings.... Webster has disappeared.
Central Region Overall Record In-Region Record
1. Carthage 29-5 25-2
2. St. Norbert 21-11 19-10
3. Illinois Wesleyan 23-13 21-12
4. Coe 21-17 20-12
5. Loras 25-12 2011
6. Luther 27-11 25-11
Wow webster gets put out by a team that is 20-12 and 20-11 and 21-12.. thats rediclous. SOS does play a factor here and obviously too many people in the voting have been reading the Central region ranking board on here where everyone is ripping on Webster. I guess we shall just have to wait and see.
I posted this on the Central Region Tournaments board
Maryville vs Greenville Live Stats:
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/webster/baseball/xlive.htm
Greenville Radio which says they are broadcasting the game: Click listen live on top right
http://wgrn.net/
Regional rankings are great ... but like has been said numerous times, if Webster wins the SLIAC tournament they are in, regardless of regional rankings ... my apologies about twitter ... its www.twitter.com/JA_daPrince
maryville took game one. bottom 7th fontbonnes up 6 5 on webster.
going into the 9th fontbonne has a 6 5 lead. wiley strikes out fuiten and biagini to end the 8th.
fontbonne holds on for a 6 5 win
Unbelievable... Now, Maryville In my opinion becomes the favorite. Yes Fontbonne just knocked off the big dog, but they have to be able to come back and play tommorow with that same intensity.
Something is just telling me the Saints will knock the Griffins off tommorow.
I have lost the live stats for Webster vs Greenville... anyone getting those?
Nevermind, the game is in a rain delay. Webster's site says still a chance to play tonight. Man, one can only wonder what the late night will do to effect Webster with a lot of work left ahead of them
The Webster/Greenville game is currently in a RAIN DELAY!!! The Gorloks are trailing 2-1 with two out and nobody on in the bottom of the fourth inning. No decision has been made about when the game with resume. It's still a chance the game could start tonight .... check back to www.websterathletics.com or www.sliac.org for more updates.
Someone correct me if I am wrong here...
I am thinking of worst case scenerio... if the rain comes down alot this weekend, and this tournament cannot be finished... Since Webster lost, is Maryville now in the drivers seat if the tourney is cancelled for the automatic bid? If I remember right, last season the rule was the highest seeded team that is undefeated would be given the bid... Perhaps Maryville is hoping for a monsoon?
Webster and Greenville are suspended until tomorrow!
tommorow schedule:
Resume Webster vs Greenville ... 2-1 Greenville lead in 4th... at 4 PM
Maryville vs Fontbonne at 5:30
then the winner of Webster vs Greenville faces the loser of Maryville vs Fontbonne at 8:30
lets hope the rain stays AWAY!
So, does the postponement of the Webster/Greenville game favor Webster, who lost a tough one against Fontbonne and was then down to Greenville in the 4th? Does the 20 hour layoff they have until the game resumes allow them time to change their approaches at the plate and regroup to make a run in the SLIAC tourney?
Overall great day of baseball in the SLIAC tourney yesterday. Greenville had Maryville down 3-1, but had some struggles catching fly balls and pop ups. Greenville never let up and got an 8-3 win.
Fontbonne got off to a hot start yesterday, scoring 2 in the first. It seemed like everytime FU scored WU matched it or at least got one run back. Jurguensmeyer had a huge home run (and by huge I mean significant, not 500 ft) in the 7th which was the only run that Stanley allowed in 5 2/3 inning of nearly flawless relief. Sean Wiley gutted his way through Webster's lineup a couple of times, getting Fuiten and Biagini to strike out. Kyle Starne's lead off single in the 9th looked like it may spark a comeback, but following a Nathan Shelton sac bunt, he got Aaron Senzell to strikeout and Zach Little to fly out to center.
Didn't stay for the nightcap, but I know that Greenville held that 2-1 lead. Should be an interesting evening tonight.
Weather not looking real good during the day in Highland. Looks like there's a pretty good chance of some heavy rain between now and about 7 pm tonight. Might just be a wet day/night out at Glik.
anyone notice that there is no story on d3baseball.com of the upset over Webster? They are on the site after EVERY win, but once they get upset, NO STORY... just thought that was interesting
Quote from: flyonthewall on May 08, 2009, 01:08:30 PM
anyone notice that there is no story on d3baseball.com of the upset over Webster? They are on the site after EVERY win, but once they get upset, NO STORY... just thought that was interesting
WOW! Get over it. The fact is that most of the community is watching other conference tourneys. Webster is NOT the D3Baseball.com darling that you are implying. The bigger news was that St. Scholastica was upset by an up-and-coming Bethany Lutheran last night.
I will not be able to be at a computer tonight... will anyone be able to Tweet or text me SLIAC updates??? PM ME!
webster knocked off greenville 8 2 to eliminate greenville.
fontbonne and maryville knotted at 1 in the 3rd.
fontbonne leads maryville 6 3 going into the bttom of the 8th.
fontbonne wins 6 3 for a berth in the championship tomorrow against the webster maryville winner
Webster is hitting again (thank you rain delay) and they will take three straight to win the tourney.
I hope
From the SLIAC site: Maryville 4 Webster 1 Final
Fontbonne beats maryville 6 5 in a thriller to win the SLIAC championship.
Congrats to Coach Good and the Griffons, and good luck!
The perils of conference tournaments: Webster finishes 10.5 games ahead of Fontbonne, yet due to a single weekend Fontbonne advances and Webster stays home. :P
So much for regular season meaning much. :o
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 05, 2009, 10:48:28 AM
It looks like the neutral site heavily favors Fontbonne:
Neutral site records:
Fontbonne 4-4
Maryville 1-4
Webster 1-6
Greenville 1-10
I hate to say 'I told you so' ;D
First of all, congrats to Fontbonne for winning.
Second, it's sad that the regular season doesn't mean anything in conference. I truly think that the best team in the SLIAC will not be in the national tourney. They were not hot at the right time, they were the best team all season and that now means nothing. Why is the need for a conference tourney? Why not take the best team from each conference, they have earned that right all season and even in losing two games in three days they were still leading in conference. To me it's a faulty system. And yes, in case anyone was wondering I have always felt this way.
Webster was outplayed this weekend and did not deserve to win either game they lost but with that said, a loss late in the season should not hurt anymore than when WU beat everyone early in conference play.
Good luck to Fontbonne and I hope you make a run in the tourney to help get the SLIAC some more credit.
Quote from: depew24 on May 10, 2009, 12:05:27 PM
First of all, congrats to Fontbonne for winning.
Second, it's sad that the regular season doesn't mean anything in conference. I truly think that the best team in the SLIAC will not be in the national tourney. They were not hot at the right time, they were the best team all season and that now means nothing. Why is the need for a conference tourney? Why not take the best team from each conference, they have earned that right all season and even in losing two games in three days they were still leading in conference. To me it's a faulty system. And yes, in case anyone was wondering I have always felt this way.
Webster was outplayed this weekend and did not deserve to win either game they lost but with that said, a loss late in the season should not hurt anymore than when WU beat everyone early in conference play.
Good luck to Fontbonne and I hope you make a run in the tourney to help get the SLIAC some more credit.
The Michigan IAA, the Southern California IAC and the Northwest Conference do not have post-season conference tourneys in baseball. In fact, the Northwest Conference has to petition the NCAA to receive a waiver of the "19-week season rule" to conduct a one game playoff to determine which co-champ would get its AQ. It was that or flip a coin.
I counted 169 teams in 32 conferences that participate in the post-season conference tourneys to determine the Pool A bid. The move by coaches, AD's and presidents has been to expand access to the post-season play.
Webster can still claim 2009 SLIAC Champions.
I just think there should be a better way to determine it. A team was clearly the best team in their conference but will not be getting in because a team got hot. I know that's 'sports' but I think that it's wrong. On the other side of it, WU should have played better and won late when it counted i guess.
College football needs a playoff system.
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 10, 2009, 01:32:56 PM
College football needs a playoff system.
Yeah, and D-III has one! The Stagg Bowl!
And in Fall 2011, the SLIAC should be competing for the UMAC Pool A bid.
The SLIAC did away with the tourney for a little bit but that's not the answer either because then it's impossible for a team to get in. It should be based on regular season conference champions to get a better idea of which team is the better overall team. IMHO
Quote from: depew24 on May 10, 2009, 05:26:06 PM
The SLIAC did away with the tourney for a little bit but that's not the answer either because then it's impossible for a team to get in. It should be based on regular season conference champions to get a better idea of which team is the better overall team. IMHO
The SLIAC has a pool A bid; how they choose to fill it is entirely up to them.
Im sure my karma will take some hits for this but i have to do it.
*12 All conference Plaques - 350 dollars
*24-0 in conference season play - 500 dollars
*Losing in the conference tourney after all your fans did was come on here and talk trash constantly about every other team and 99% not getting a tourney bid because of non-conference region games - PRICELESS
I hope all of you on the Webster train realize what happened this weekend. Fontbonne had more HEART
Perhaps next season Webster should change their name to the Webster Patriots
I want you to realize that Fontbonne may or may not have had more heart. YOU CAN NOT MEASURE HEART. For the last time. Webster got out played. Had nothing to do with heart. Period.
I have not talked trash on ANY other team in the SLIAC. In fact, I don't think I mention any other team in any negative comments.
I will say it once again, good luck to Fontbonne. I hope the represent the SLIAC well in the tourney.
You seem to be the one that is always bringing other teams down. All I do is bring my team up. We'll be back next year, I mean you have to lose at least once in the last 4 years in the conference tourney I guess.
This is a personal note for the one that said before this season that WU wouldn't do anything because they lost too much pitching. Wait until next year, can't wait for your excuse then.....
Central Regional
Brunner Field, Moline, Ill.
1. Carthage (32-6)
2. Millsaps (32-8)
3. UW-Whitewater (26-17)
4. Washington U. (25-10)
5. Wartburg (27-18)
6. Fontbonne (25-17)
Fontbonne has their work cut out for them in the regional.. With two 30 win teams in Carthage and Millsaps. However. Fontbonne has faced WashU twice and split with them. Their timely pitching as well as hitting must show up everyday. We all have faith that you can make a run so do it! Good Luck Fontbonne, the whole SLIAC will be cheering you on.
Yuck... I dont think I will want to even see the Fontbonne scores from the tourney. No offense to the Griffins, but it most likely is going to be UGLY
The central region is weak.
The bottom 3 are weak and #3 UW Whitewater was a questionable Pool C bid.
Quote from: baseball09 on May 11, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
Yuck... I dont think I will want to even see the Fontbonne scores from the tourney. No offense to the Griffins, but it most likely is going to be UGLY
A little bitter arent we Jared. I know you are upset over your loss to Fontbonne, but you should be happy for the griffins. They worked their butts off, beat everyone else.. didnt lose a single game (INCLUDING beating Maryville twice) so they deserved to go. Sorry Mr. Wheet that you guys didnt pull it out. Perhaps next year in D II it will be the year for the Saints.
He never said the didn't deserve a shot. They do, bscause of the way they played in the conference tournament. But I will agree that I don't believe this is a team that's going to go deep into regional play.
I know that. Now let me express that i am not saying they will dominate and im also not saying they are going to get dominated. First of all they are in a weak regional minus the top two teams. Other than that, you are allowed to believe whatever you would like.. BUT i would like to make a point, and that is that last years Websters team didnt stand a chance at doing anything in the tournament either and they were 6 outs away from the SLIAC's first world series appearance. Im not saying this Fontbonne team is anything like last years webster team, im just saying dont count them out so soon. You guys are supposed to be SLIAC supporters and now that your team didnt win, you guys are down on the team that did. you should cheer for them instead of hating on them. It all depends on who gets hot and at what time. Look at all the wild card teams and low ranked teams that have won the world series in the past.
again GOOD LUCK GRIFFINS! Make us proud!
About a week ago nobody would have wanted to see the webster vs fontbonne tournament game. Now I'm not saying, I'm just sayin....
I meant the score of the webster/fontbonne game. Sorry for the typo. Carry on.
TheOneAndOnly,
That's my point, by pure definition of wild card it's the closest team within reach at the end of the season that gets hot. It's a stupid rule in the MLB. You could make a GREAT argument that the wild card team has a better chance of winning because they are playing for their season before the playoffs and this allows them to carry a lot into the playoffs. It's wrong that it's in the game. Just like the DH "position"
Fontbonne will suffer two lopsided losses and embarrass the SLIAC. There, I said it.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 11, 2009, 08:57:07 PM
Fontbonne will suffer two lopsided losses and embarrass the SLIAC. There, I said it.
That may be, but at least they're not hanging it up yet for the summer, which is more than Webster, Maryville and the rest of the league can say.
If Fontbonne plays well this weekend it can only help the SLIAC in the futre as it may show the depth of the league and lead to multiple bids for SLIAC teams in the future.
Quote from: depew24 on May 11, 2009, 05:23:46 PM
TheOneAndOnly,
That's my point, by pure definition of wild card it's the closest team within reach at the end of the season that gets hot. It's a stupid rule in the MLB. You could make a GREAT argument that the wild card team has a better chance of winning because they are playing for their season before the playoffs and this allows them to carry a lot into the playoffs. It's wrong that it's in the game. Just like the DH "position"
I somewhat agree with the DH rule. I believe if its going to be a rule in one league it should be in the other. However I DISAGREE about the wildcard. If you are so against a hot team winning. Perhaps there should be no playoffs at all and whoever has the best record at the end of the year should be the winner. That seems like a much simplers decision. HOWEVER its about the fans, the game, and the money. Regarless of how people want to see it, that is what its really about. The playoffs add the extra excitement for the fans, and rake in that extra cash for the fans. Its as simple as that..
Bigtoughguy until that post i thought you had some pretty good insight. Now i see you're just a homer and dont truely enjoy the SLIAC, you only enjoy your team. I hope fontbonne does some work in the tourney just to prove YOU wrong!
Fontbonne really has their work cut out. They obviously have carthage the number 1 seed in the tourney. If they were to upset carthage they would get the LOSER of UW-Whitewater vs. Washington which isint as bad as having to face Millsaps. If they go down however, they will have a someone easier road to the championship for the fact that they are playing teams that have lost already, even though they will be one of those teams, but it seems like Fontbonne plays VERY well when its do or die. Basically it should be an interesting tournament for the Griffins. Go get yours!
I know its a whole different league, but Fontbonne beat #1 seed Webster and #2 seed Maryville (twice) whos to say they wont do it again? its a little tougher this time around, but hey you never know, and thats why baseball is such a great game!
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 12, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
Fontbonne really has their work cut out. They obviously have carthage the number 1 seed in the tourney. If they were to upset carthage they would get the winner of UW-Whitewater vs. Washington which isint as bad as having to face Millsaps. If they go down however, they will have a someone somewhat easier road to the championship for the fact that they are playing teams that have lost already, even though they will be one of those teams, but it seems like Fontbonne plays VERY well when its do or die. Basically it should be an interesting tournament for the Griffins. Go get yours!
I know its a whole different league, but Fontbonne beat #1 seed Webster and #2 seed Maryville (twice) whos to say they wont do it again? its a little tougher this time around, but hey you never know, and thats why baseball is such a great game!
Greetings theone, I'm in a different ballpark than you on this one. I always found the easiest way to a championship is simply by winning...IMHO, coming through the losers bracket is rarely the recommended option!! ;)
BTW, it's a LOT tougher this time around!!
Quote from: BoBo on May 12, 2009, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 12, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
Fontbonne really has their work cut out. They obviously have carthage the number 1 seed in the tourney. If they were to upset carthage they would get the winner of UW-Whitewater vs. Washington which isint as bad as having to face Millsaps. If they go down however, they will have a someone somewhat easier road to the championship for the fact that they are playing teams that have lost already, even though they will be one of those teams, but it seems like Fontbonne plays VERY well when its do or die. Basically it should be an interesting tournament for the Griffins. Go get yours!
I know its a whole different league, but Fontbonne beat #1 seed Webster and #2 seed Maryville (twice) whos to say they wont do it again? its a little tougher this time around, but hey you never know, and thats why baseball is such a great game!
Greetings theone, I'm in a different ballpark than you on this one. I always found the easiest way to a championship is simply by winning...IMHO, losing is never the better option!! ;)
BTW, it's a LOT tougher this time around!!
You have a point, and i may have come across wrong i guess. In all honesty its always easier to win. Thats just a fact. I guess what i was getting at was that they play well with their backs up against the wall. And in realizty every team has their backs up against the wall from here on out. Slip up once and you have a LOT of work to do, slip up twice and pack your bags and go back home. I see what you are saying and i did say that wrong BUT again this time IS a lot tougher!
I am not against a team getting hot and winning but I am against a team that get's hot just enough but yet still can't win their division. If a team isn't even the best in their division they CAN'T be the best in the league.
I dont see this changing anytime soon sorry.l I enjoy it, I think it makes the games more fun. More competitive and well the league ismaking more money so they dont care.
Who is going to the regional games tomorrow? please keep us updated!
Also,
What happened to raetzeloff this season? Pre season all american and he wasnt anywhere to be seen in the all-conference selections.. Anyone got any inside info they can share? or was it just an "off season"
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 12, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
Fontbonne really has their work cut out. They obviously have carthage the number 1 seed in the tourney. If they were to upset carthage they would get the winner of UW-Whitewater vs. Washington which isint as bad as having to face Millsaps. If they go down however, they will have a someone easier road to the championship for the fact that they are playing teams that have lost already, even though they will be one of those teams, but it seems like Fontbonne plays VERY well when its do or die. Basically it should be an interesting tournament for the Griffins. Go get yours!
I know its a whole different league, but Fontbonne beat #1 seed Webster and #2 seed Maryville (twice) whos to say they wont do it again? its a little tougher this time around, but hey you never know, and thats why baseball is such a great game!
Hey theoneandonlymoron,
If lightning strikes for a 4th time and Fontbonne beats Carthage, they would get the loser of Whitewater-Wash U, not the winner.
Get your head in the game, idiot!
An FYI: Millsaps will webcast all of their games at the regionals and they will have a Coach's show this evening at 6 Central. More information at: http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/5/12/BB_0512090021.aspx
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 12, 2009, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 12, 2009, 09:25:08 AM
Fontbonne really has their work cut out. They obviously have carthage the number 1 seed in the tourney. If they were to upset carthage they would get the winner of UW-Whitewater vs. Washington which isint as bad as having to face Millsaps. If they go down however, they will have a someone easier road to the championship for the fact that they are playing teams that have lost already, even though they will be one of those teams, but it seems like Fontbonne plays VERY well when its do or die. Basically it should be an interesting tournament for the Griffins. Go get yours!
I know its a whole different league, but Fontbonne beat #1 seed Webster and #2 seed Maryville (twice) whos to say they wont do it again? its a little tougher this time around, but hey you never know, and thats why baseball is such a great game!
Hey theoneandonlymoron,
If lightning strikes for a 4th time and Fontbonne beats Carthage, they would get the loser of Whitewater-Wash U, not the winner.
Get your head in the game, idiot!
So hostile. settle down, just a mistype. You wonder why your Karma is so low. Get a life and quit starting fights on the internet. You must be one of those webster fans. Its too bad your boys choked. Maybe next year. As for myself im a fan of the entire sliac. I have my favored teams but i will cheer for any team that goes on in the playoffs. Seriously though get a life.. You can respond to this all you want but dont expect a response from me after this.
All games involving UW-Whitewater in the Augustana Regional will be broadcast LIVE on KOOL 106.5.
The games will be streamed at: http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
The broadcast begins 15 minutes prior to game-time
Big Tough Guy, Webster won 24 straight conference games with total domination, and then ran their mouth about how they had this GREAT shot at going to the College World Series this year and then choked in the conference tournament... There, I said it.
Good work Fontbonne, you showed you had more HEART than Webster and any other team in the SLIAC. Like I said earlier in the season, Fontbonne has a lot of guys that really wanted it bad, and as I said, if It comes down to close games, I said Fontbonne and Maryville had more heart than Webster, and.... WHATTYA know, Webster couldnt win the close game against either team... say what you want about my post, I could care, less... all I care about is that Webster thinks that their stuff doesnt stink and look what happened... CHOKE ARTISTS!
about raetzloff, I heard that Kurich was trying to get him drafted and tried changing some things with him so that he could be more pro ready. whatever that means, Im guessing it had to do with his swing, because he went from being an All-American, hitting bombs, stealing bases, to having a Sub-par year (compared to what we're used to with him), which was still pretty impressive. He still walked, 40? times this year and scored a lot as well. Opinions?
See none of you defended these teams that were getting 10 runed all year. Now talk crap about the team that most people would agree, although choking in the conference, is still the better team. 25-2 is still a better conference record than any of your teams will have in the sliac. Its true, Webster looked past the conference tournament and then played DOWN to the competition level. Whoops. Won't happen again. That's a guarantee. And for the last time, wanting it real bad as you people say doesn't mean they had more heart or wanted it worse. Its an ignorant argument. Webster played the worst baseball of their season and fontbonne played their best. Enough said.
MAY MADNESS PICKS NEED TO BE IN BY MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.....IF YOU WANT TO PLAY...
Email prediction for Winner and runner-up for each regional: basefrk2@aol.com
Completely agree HangEm.
It's funny to watch the people that say they are 'SLIAC' fans say they would root for anyone in the tourney. That's wrong, if WU were in you wouldn't and that's fine. I have never once claimed to be a fan of the SLIAC. I am, however, a fan of a school in the conference.
Just like I'm not an ACC fan but a UNC fan.
I can't agree with this whole heart arguement. You can't tell me that fontbonne wanted it any more than webster or maryville or greenville. Bottom line: the webster bats went silent at the worst possible time and fontbonne played their best defense and got their best pitching at the best possible time. The conference tournament is step 1 of the postseason and webster didn't bring it last week. If an mlb team wins 100 games in the regular season and then loses in the wild card round, tough. Once the "regular season" ends everybodys record is 0 and 0.
Not that it matters but I would have cheer for any team that went to the conference tourney. Like i said before i have my favorite teams, but someone (which Webster did last year) has to start getting SOME respect for the SLIAC even if its one season at a time, that is why i would cheer for any team in the tournament. All in all we just finished up a great SLIAC year and watched quite a few good players and a couple of great ones. Congrats to all the seniors from every team. It was fun watching you guys play, and good luck in the future!
I think that if Fontbonne makes a bit of a run, it will open they eyes of the SLIAC watchers to give a team like Webster a second look next year.
The first-round NCAA Division III baseball Central Regional games scheduled for Wednesday, May 13 have been rained out. The regional has been rescheduled to begin at noon Thursday and will follow the same format through Sunday.
so you say that every playoff team starts 0-0 huh? Apparently all Webster fans thought they started 3-0 and were already in regional play. Whooops!
I'm tired of people making excuses for Webster. If they were the better team, then they would not of lost 2-3 games in the conference tournament. Yes they won 24 straight conference games, BUT they could of very well lost several games. They won 4-1 against Prin, andwere down by 4 in the 8th vs MacMurray. Don't get me wrong, Webster is a DAMN good team and proved they can play with any team in the nation, but I get really frustrated when Webster fans down the rest of the SLIAC. Webster did not play DOWN to the level of the other teams, admit it, it was a GREAT evenly matched conference tournament. Not saying this because it happened to Webster, but when Biagini strikes out and Fuiten gets thrown out at second on the same play, not once, but twice in the same game, its fun to see. Thats the type of things fans love to see when it comes down to nut cuttin time in the tournament. I think this was the most fun conference tournament that the SLIAC has had in a LONG time.
Highlights from the Tourney:
Biagini's oppo home run against Greenville
Fontbonne's 5-4-3 double play in the 8th inning vs Maryvile kept the lead intact
Andrew Haven's play at the plate getting Tolan first THEN Horn as he leaped over Haven as they both tried to score 5 feet from each other
More Highlights:
Championship game ended on play at the plate after Henkelman's double off the wall in rightfield turned into Nikolaisen throwing runner out at the plate by 10 feet.
Stenzel striking out 11 Webster batters to give Maryville victory and ending Webster's season
Benches being warned after Mike Scott gets hit by pitch and stares pitcher down.
Fontbonne coming back to tie game in the 7th with 4 runs in Championship game.
Fontbonne keeping Webster from tying game by stranding 2 runners in scoring position in 8th inning and 1 runner in the 9th.
Anyone else have anything?
All good moments FLY... I agree with you about SOME of the Webster fans.. Like its always been said though, you cant lump the few in with all. BUT i do agree a majority of the guys on here are pretty hateful towards myself and you for not jumping on the Webster Bandwagon. Dont get me wrong, they win the tourney, i cheer for them, thats just how i work. But anyway.. good info Karma +1
Quote from: flyonthewall on May 14, 2009, 03:42:38 AM
so you say that every playoff team starts 0-0 huh? Apparently all Webster fans thought they started 3-0 and were already in regional play. Whooops!
I'm tired of people making excuses for Webster. If they were the better team, then they would not of lost 2-3 games in the conference tournament. Yes they won 24 straight conference games, BUT they could of very well lost several games. They won 4-1 against Prin, andwere down by 4 in the 8th vs MacMurray. Don't get me wrong, Webster is a DAMN good team and proved they can play with any team in the nation, but I get really frustrated when Webster fans down the rest of the SLIAC. Webster did not play DOWN to the level of the other teams, admit it, it was a GREAT evenly matched conference tournament. Not saying this because it happened to Webster, but when Biagini strikes out and Fuiten gets thrown out at second on the same play, not once, but twice in the same game, its fun to see. Thats the type of things fans love to see when it comes down to nut cuttin time in the tournament. I think this was the most fun conference tournament that the SLIAC has had in a LONG time.
Highlights from the Tourney:
Biagini's oppo home run against Greenville
Fontbonne's 5-4-3 double play in the 8th inning vs Maryvile kept the lead intact
Andrew Haven's play at the plate getting Tolan first THEN Horn as he leaped over Haven as they both tried to score 5 feet from each other
Webster is the BETTER team. Maryville was a better team as well. Fontbonne was the HOTTER team.* Plain and simple.
*see MLB World Series winners from 2002, 2003, 2004, the 2005 Houston Astros, the 2007 Colorado Rockies to name a few.
Perhaps the Rays/Red Sox last year are a better comparison. Rays barely hang on to beat the Red Sox in the NLCS, to finally overcome the team that has been stomping them for years. They then go and wimper out in the World Series losing 4 games to 1. Unfortunately for Fontbonne, the Rays 1 win may be more than the Griffins see they rest of this season. Thanks to the rain, at least they can say they weren't the first team eliminated.
you're digging deeper and deeper by showing your immaturity every day. We understand Webster is a good team, but there are also 8 other teams in the league, and two of them( Fontbonne AND Maryville), not just one but two, upset Webster.. Come to the realization that their season is over, and next year is a new year. Until then, I see you Karma going way down.
Speaking of immaturity, you're talking about karma points...seriously, it's really dumb.
And just because someone has a different view than you does not mean you just put them down. He thinks Webster has a better team but got outplayed in the tourney. I don't see anything wrong with this statement.
Oh no...please don't take any 'karma' away...what will I do...
when Webster beats fontbonne by over 10 runs multiple times in the season, it is hard for me to believe that they were evenly matched. It seems more likely that their bats went quiet at the wrong time and fontbonne, who no one said was bad but was never on websters level till that one game, got pretty lucky and took advantage of the situation. Good for them, bad for Webster. That is all anyone is saying. I congratulate them for doing it. But as for immaturity, look at some of your own posts and fly and one and only you have both just blatantly put Webster down, when we are simply discussing what we believe went wrong for the team we thought was better, and what went right for the team that won. As we have all said earlier in the season, any given team can win on any given day. Webster just saved their 2 normal conference losses for the wrong part of the season. Ha, grow up and act like your played before and don't just straight up disrespect a good team.
Just to put the record straight. Fontbonne did not put Webster out of the Tourney. Maryville did, so for all of you out there who keep saying Fontbonne got lucky, they didnt, They put themselves in the drivers seat and just rode it out to a championship. Maryville put out Webster.. So get that straight. As far as karma points, i dont care either, im just saying maybe you should get a hint and change the tone of your posts, because obviously im not the only one that feels that way. I have given -1 karma to the post where i was called the oneandonlymoron. other than that ive given none. SOO.. it looks like im not the only one thinking he is in the wrong... Now that were past the point of the SLIAC Tourney in which Maryville, Webster, and Greenville all lost in and Blackburn, Eureka, Westminster, Macmurray, and pricipia didnt even make it, Fontbonne is set to play here in about an hour. Anyone attending? Can we try and focus on whats ahead and not whats already happened.
Basically I dont think that stating that Webster was such a better team was a fact. I havent Blatantly put them down, and there has been NO disrespect. I know they are a good team. They just got outplayed, at the right part of the season, because of their quiet bats, and fontbonne stepping up in right situations. You guys have said so yourselves, so if that is disrespect then so be it. end of story.
Quote from: depew24 on May 14, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
Speaking of immaturity, you're talking about karma points...seriously, it's really dumb.
And just because someone has a different view than you does not mean you just put them down. He thinks Webster has a better team but got outplayed in the tourney. I don't see anything wrong with this statement.
Oh no...please don't take any 'karma' away...what will I do...
I dont knock anyone without letting them know about it. And the way it was put and calling me the oneandonlymoron was deserving of negative points. I dont disapporve of anyone rooting for their team, just quit cutting down all the others because your team is out. Look at my post before this to see all my other points about this.
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 14, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Just to put the record straight. Fontbonne did not put Webster out of the Tourney. Maryville did, so for all of you out there who keep saying Fontbonne got lucky, they didnt, They put themselves in the drivers seat and just rode it out to a championship. Maryville put out Webster.. So get that straight. As far as karma points, i dont care either, im just saying maybe you should get a hint and change the tone of your posts, because obviously im not the only one that feels that way. I have given -1 karma to the post where i was called the oneandonlymoron. other than that ive given none. SOO.. it looks like im not the only one thinking he is in the wrong... Now that were past the point of the SLIAC Tourney in which Maryville, Webster, and Greenville all lost in and Blackburn, Eureka, Westminster, Macmurray, and pricipia didnt even make it, Fontbonne is set to play here in about an hour. Anyone attending? Can we try and focus on whats ahead and not whats already happened.
Basically I dont think that stating that Webster was such a better team was a fact. I havent Blatantly put them down, and there has been NO disrespect. I know they are a good team. They just got outplayed, at the right part of the season, because of their quiet bats, and fontbonne stepping up in right situations. You guys have said so yourselves, so if that is disrespect then so be it. end of story.
theoneandonlyidiot,
Bottom Line: If Carthage plays well and Fontbonne plays well, Carthage wins in a blowout. Fontbonne cannot beat top teams (including Webster) unless those teams have down days.
I am done replying to the true idiots. I know i have said it already once. but now i am done.
The CCIW board is just 2 clicks away, i think you're on the wrong board.
I say Carthage by 7. Can you honestly tell me you would take the under?
After 2 1/2 innings: Carthage 2 Fontbonne 0
Speaking of Fontbonne, does anyone know if Cesar Tovar who plays for the Griffons is related (son, grandson?) to the Cesar Tovar who spent 12 years in the majors, mostly with Minnesota? Both were born in Venezuela.
Carthage/Fontbonne live stats:
http://www.carthage.edu/athleticspages/livestats/xlive.htm (http://www.carthage.edu/athleticspages/livestats/xlive.htm)
I'm saying that the ENTIRE karma thing is one of the most childish things I've ever seen.
And you're wrong, you have directly put down WU. Look at any of my posts, I have never put down any team in the SLIAC. Period. Thanks for playing.
So let's say WU lost one game to Fontbonne and one to Maryville during the regular season and then swept the conference tourney. You would still say that both would be better than WU? It was a timing issue, WU is the best team in the SLIAC.
Fontbonne ties it up 2 2 in the 4th. I think it might be his grandfather.
Fontbonne down 6-2 after 4 innings. Doesn anyone still think they will lose by less than 7?
Fu down 8 2 in the 7th.
8 4 carthage. Fontbonnes got 6 outs to put something together
Live stats quit working... how are you getting updates?
Anyone know if carthage is throwing one of their top guys? Or are they throwing one of their lower guys saving the best for teams they think to be better? If its one of their best, props to fontbonne for putting up 4 so far. I'm pleasantly surprised.
Carthage is throwing their #2 (Jaehne-Llanas). He always throws their first game of the series, but is probably their #2 behind Trace Ruffie who I see as their #1.
Heartbreaker for Fu. They lose 8 7 and left the tying run on 3rd. A 4 run bottom the fourth did the Griffins in with walks and an error. Wartburg and Millsaps up next.
Quote from: MyArmHurts on May 14, 2009, 03:34:26 PM
Heartbreaker for Fu. They lose 8 7 and left the tying run on 3rd. A 4 run bottom the fourth did the Griffins in with walks and an error. Wartburg and Millsaps up next.
Great win for the Redmen... and another great NCCA Baseball game. I am curious to see how Millsaps offense deals with Wartburgs #1 arm.
no extra base hits for either team today? was the field in poor conditions like it was for the conference tourney?
Field conditions were not bad. Neither team really hit anything into the gaps, or down the lines, or over anyones head. Wind may have been blowing in slightly, but not enough to impact anything. Everything was through a hole or blooped over the infield.
Fontbonne put up one heck of a fight and like bigpoppa said, left the tying run at third. It hurts to go down like that. I believe that they did show their worth this game though and that they arent going to go down easy. Anyone got the box score for this game?
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 14, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
Fontbonne put up one heck of a fight... Anyone got the box score for this game?
Box score (http://www.carthage.edu/athleticspages/mens/baseball/ncaa1.htm)
2 and done for Fontbonne as they are the first team to exit the Central Regional. If anyone says they should feel good about putting up a decent fight, you're wrong. You earn respect by winning, not by patting yourself on the back for losing 2 close games.
well pat yourself on the back for that statement big toughguy, you still seem bitter about webster choking. could webster of won thse games? who knows, but they couldnt even win their conference tournament so stop putting down fontbonne.
I also don't know if Webster would have won any regional games had they made it, but Fontbonne did not which hurts the reputation of the SLIAC.
Answer me this, who do you think the other 5 teams in the Central Regional would choose if they could pick either Webster or Fontbonne as an opponent in the regional? Webster, because they have earned respect by beating top teams on a national stage. Fontbonne went 2 and out which gains no respect for them or the SLIAC, bottom line. A good showing from a team other than Webster would have helped the reputation of the conference as a whole, which is why I was hoping they would win a game or two. They had a chance to legitimize the SLIAC and didn't get the job done, bottom line.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 16, 2009, 04:46:17 PM
I also don't know if Webster would have won any regional games had they made it, but Fontbonne did not which hurts the reputation of the SLIAC.
Answer me this, who do you think the other 5 teams in the Central Regional would choose if they could pick either Webster or Fontbonne as an opponent in the regional? Webster, because they have earned respect by beating top teams on a national stage. Fontbonne went 2 and out which gains no respect for them or the SLIAC, bottom line. A good showing from a team other than Webster would have helped the reputation of the conference as a whole, which is why I was hoping they would win a game or two. They had a chance to legitimize the SLIAC and didn't get the job done, bottom line.
Actually if you look back, this was actually what bigpoppa said. And yeah fontbonne did play good ball but lost twice. It sucks that they couldnt pull one win out.. But they did beat national stage teams all year including WashU who beat webster 3 times.
Ok fellas let's be mature. Webster choked, fontbonne didn't prove themselves in the regionals. Who cares. Both teams had a chance to prove the sliac better than expected, neither did so. It was a bad season for the sliac. There were some good spots. But overall let's look forward to a better year next year.
Quote from: HangEmBangEm on May 17, 2009, 12:50:46 AM
Ok fellas let's be mature. Webster choked, fontbonne didn't prove themselves in the regionals. Who cares. Both teams had a chance to prove the sliac better than expected, neither did so. It was a bad season for the sliac. There were some good spots. But overall let's look forward to a better year next year.
Agree'd
Ha bout time we agreed on somethin.
HangEm, I think you deserve karma for that...
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 16, 2009, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 16, 2009, 04:46:17 PM
I also don't know if Webster would have won any regional games had they made it, but Fontbonne did not which hurts the reputation of the SLIAC.
Answer me this, who do you think the other 5 teams in the Central Regional would choose if they could pick either Webster or Fontbonne as an opponent in the regional? Webster, because they have earned respect by beating top teams on a national stage. Fontbonne went 2 and out which gains no respect for them or the SLIAC, bottom line. A good showing from a team other than Webster would have helped the reputation of the conference as a whole, which is why I was hoping they would win a game or two. They had a chance to legitimize the SLIAC and didn't get the job done, bottom line.
Actually if you look back, this was actually what bigpoppa said. And yeah fontbonne did play good ball but lost twice. It sucks that they couldnt pull one win out.. But they did beat national stage teams all year including WashU who beat webster 3 times.
National stage teams? That's not what I said. I said top teams on a national stage (AKA - NCAA Regionals). Beating teams in February or March that end up qualifying for the regionals at the end of the year doesn't mean crap. They are different teams in May than they are in February. Getting wins in the playoffs over top teams is what earns respect.
Once again making yourself look like a moron. What the hell is a "national stage team" anyway? I've never heard of that one.
What i meant by national stage teams were teams that have a winning reputation every season. They teams that are known baseball schools. Again so hostile for no reason. I dont understand why you feel the need to attack all the time. Now i do agree with you when you said a team is different between february and may, Espically in the midwest and central because they have been practicing in gyms (with the exception of the couple of good days they can get in) and working on ground balls off of wood floors and hitting in cages. I feel that the midwest/central teams have a small disadvantage there but they always seem to pull it together, so even though it is a disadvantage it usually doesnt do much damage.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 18, 2009, 08:51:59 AM.....Beating teams in February or March that end up qualifying for the regionals at the end of the year doesn't mean crap. They are different teams in May than they are in February.....
Unfortunately for the Gorlocks, they
were the same team the first week of March (1-6) that they were in May (1-2).
I still have no clue what there is left to argue about. Both teams had good regular seasons, but both teams post seasons ended abruptly. I'm a Webster fan but I congratulate them on making the regional. What more is there to say? Seasons done fellas, all that's left now is ifs ands or but and shoulda coulda woulda's. But none of that means a thing.
Hey everybody, If you have any insider info, be sure to keep us all up to date on those who commit to the colleges in the SLIAC whether it be high school committments or Junior college committments.. Always interested to see who the SLIAC will bring in for next season!
I am not really sure how these all-american awards are decided but who knows.
Personally I think Fuiten deserved 2nd team all-american. He how ever was an honorable mention. Congrats to Andrew Fuiten from Webster who was the only representative from the SLIAC in the all-american voting. Congratulations on your career at Webster and good luck in the future!
His numbers were impressive, but I think playing in the SLIAC hurt him a little. Guys with similar numbers in tougher conferences got the nod above him.
BigPoppa, just noticed the photo change. Nice! Haha
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 21, 2009, 12:21:23 PM
BigPoppa, just noticed the photo change. Nice! Haha
I try to keep everyone on their toes :)
So no action on this board and I am sure everyone is enjoying there summer but I was on youtube the other day and found this video of the conference tournament and how the championship game between Maryville and Fontbonne game ended. This video catches the whole last out and the celebration. What a way to end the game and the tournament..... (side note you have to fast forward to like 2:12 minutes into the video because most of the beginning is pictures.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v9Z4NjHBjM
I would like to congratulate Mike Stawski for getting the head coaching position with Spalding University.
the rumor.. nice video.. whats the deal with the first 2:10 seconds though? Gotta love the dogpile. One of the best feelings in ANY sport.
Well the first 2 minutes or so are just still pictures of some of the players that was on the video... i was told about it and that it was on youtube. I am guessing the couldnt edit that stuff out or something.. but it is a great video i thought no matter what team you root for in the sliac it is a great play.
I know its way too soon.. but im getting excited for this upcoming season! Keep me posted if you know of anyone new/transfers at any of the schools
Just from the St. Louis area, but I heard that Webster and Fontbonne brought in solid talent of freshman and transfers. I dont know names but sounds like these two could be the early favorites for the top spot in the SLIAC.
hey jurgensmeyer any inside info on Fontbonne we can hear about?
Some of the 2010 schedules are out. Fontbonne, Blackburn, Eurkea, and Greenville are yet to post.
After looking at the schedules for the teams posted it seems that the SLIAC will have some tough non-conference competition once again this season.
*Webster has 8 non-conference games scheduled at this point against the following teams: Franklin, North Park, Dominican, Concordia, WashU(3), and UMSL.
--- Hopefully they can post a little better than last years 4-13 non conference record to prove that these guys are legit. They played very close with WashU and lost a heart breaker to UMSL last year 7-6.. They did get smacked around a but by Concordia as well.... Look for them to go 4-4 in non conference play beating Franklin, North Park, Dominican and taking down WashU once.
*Spalding has 10 non-conference games in their first season as part of the SLIAC. They will play the following teams: Franklin (2), Centre, Mississippi College (2), Wheaton, Elmhurst, Hanover (2), and Bellarmine. Although we dont know much about them yet, we do know that they now have coach Mike Stawski formly from Webster, and he doesnt know much about losing. They also beat Eureka twice last year. Although they have a new coach I still see it being hard for them to make the transition into a new conference/Division. They play tough opponents and I see them going 2-8 in their 10 non conference games beating Bellarmine and centre.
*Macmurray has 16 non conference games schueduled for the 2010 season. Their non-conference opponents are as follows: Rust(2), Union, Lane, Lambuth, Debugue (2), Robert Morris (2), Hannibal Lagrange, Lincoln Christian College, St. Louis Christian College, Buena Vista, and Monmoth. Look for the highlanders to go 4-12 splitting with Lincoln Christian and robbert morris, and sweeping St. Louis Christian COllege.
*Principia continues to grow and get better every year. They also have a 16 game non-conference schedule against the following: Ozark Christian College (3), Hendrix (3), St. Louis Christian(2) , Illinois College, Whittier, La Sierra (2), Caltech,Robert morris, and lincoln Christian College (2). I look for principia to play well in non-conference games going 7-9. I believe they will go 2-1 with Ozark, beat St. Louis Christian twice beat lincoln christian twice and split with La Sierra.
* Westminster is coming off a disappointing end to their season last year. hey currently have 16 non-conference games scheduled as well. WashU (4), Grinnell (2) Central (2) Buena Vista (3), Carroll (3), William Penn (2). I believe that Westmin will have a rough non-conference record as well.. I think they will end up going 5-11 Splitting with central, Grinell and William Penn, and going 2-1 against carroll. They just dont quite measure up with WashU and I think they will get swept in the 4 game series.
Anyway up for comments.. Feel free to agree/disagree, rip me apart, and congratulate me on my predictions. its up to you! I am definatly up for hearing someinside scoop on any teams! Perhaps that will change some of these predictions.
Greenville and Fontbonne have posted their schedules... Still waiting on Blackburn/Eureka
Lets take a look at their non-conference games as well.
*Greenville has 11 non-conference games against some very good teams. Next to Webster and Westmin, they may have one of the hardest non-conference schedules. Their non-conference has them playing McKendree, Wash U for 3 games, UW-Plattville, Cornell for two, William Patterson, Knox, FDU, and St. Norbert. I look for them to go 1-10 in non conference only beating Cornell for one game of the double header. They will be severly overmatched by WashU, McKendree, and UW-Plattville.
*Fontbonne has 15 non conference games and after last years NCAA tourney birth it looks like they could be headed there again. Their Non-Conference schedule is as follows: WashU, Coe, Cornell (2), St. Norbert, RogersWilliams, Denison, Ripon (2), Luther, Augustana, Robert Morris (2), North Central, and Illinois College. My prediction is that they go 11-4 in non-conference. I believe they will upset Washu for the second year in a row, sweep cornell, beat st. norbert rogers williams, luther, augustana, north central, Illinois College, and sweep robert morris. This season looks very promising for Fontbonne, if they put up good numbers in conference once again. This is the highest I have ever placed fontbonne in anything so dont think im jumping on the bandwagon! I just recognized their success from last year and their returning players and think they will have another successful season.
Once again feel free to give your opinion on my predictions. I am up for any type of response!
Interesting take on Fontbonne. 11-4 out of conference would be a HUGE leap forward for the SLIAC. Last year the SLAIC was brutal out of league.
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 07, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
Greenville and Fontbonne have posted their schedules... Still waiting on Blackburn/Eureka
Lets take a look at their non-conference games as well.
*Greenville has 11 non-conference games against some very good teams. Next to Webster and Westmin, they may have one of the hardest non-conference schedules. Their non-conference has them playing McKendree, Wash U for 3 games, UW-Plattville, Cornell for two, William Patterson, Knox, FDU, and St. Norbert. I look for them to go 1-10 in non conference only beating Cornell for one game of the double header. They will be severly overmatched by WashU, McKendree, and UW-Plattville.
*Fontbonne has 15 non conference games and after last years NCAA tourney birth it looks like they could be headed there again. Their Non-Conference schedule is as follows: WashU, Coe, Cornell (2), St. Norbert, RogersWilliams, Denison, Ripon (2), Luther, Augustana, Robert Morris (2), North Central, and Illinois College. My prediction is that they go 11-4 in non-conference. I believe they will upset Washu for the second year in a row, sweep cornell, beat st. norbert rogers williams, luther, augustana, north central, Illinois College, and sweep robert morris. This season looks very promising for Fontbonne, if they put up good numbers in conference once again. This is the highest I have ever placed fontbonne in anything so dont think im jumping on the bandwagon! I just recognized their success from last year and their returning players and think they will have another successful season.
Once again feel free to give your opinion on my predictions. I am up for any type of response!
I definitely agree that Fontbonne has improved over the past few years - watching them play Carthage close during the regional definitely solidified their position as a contending team in the Central Region.
11-4 though out of conference though? Webster had 4 starters hitting about .400 last year, and were better than 10 games over .500, but were something like 3-11 out of conference. To say that Fontbonne will beat St. Norbert, Luther, Augustana,
and WashU is unlikely. Ripon is good too, rounding off a pretty tough conference schedule.
***Correction on the last line - non-conference schedule***
wustl- great points. If Fontbonne can prove they belong in the non-conf schedule, then I will tip my cap to them. My gut feeling is that they will stuggle aganst those top opponents.
Finally some response!
I agree that Fontbonne has made some major strides. I can see where you dont believe that they will get off to that quick of a start... and how webster had four guys hitting .400 and were 3-11.. the deal with that though is Webster played a very tough schedule to start.. i would definatly say harder than Fontbonne's non-conference this season. There is also two parts to the game (Offense and defense) so I think where they flawed was out in the field. I will try to justify why I think they will beat the teams you mentioned... as much as i can haha!
Now I do understand that Fontbonne lost a few players two and may take some major hits but:
Augustana lost 9 players after last season including John Wagle, Don Hansen, Eric Izzo, and Mark Ramos. Now I understand that Hansen had kind of a slow season last year but these four guys were huge impacts for augustana. Espically Ramos who led the team in 6 Batting categories last season.
Luther to me was a toss up. I just gave it to fontbonne because I am a SLIAC guy no matter how rough the past seasons have been.
St. Norbert doeshave two All Central Region Players returning...Jared Yost and junior infielder Tony Jandron but I just feel like Fontbonne has enough returning players to do some damage to St. Norbert. I feel like a lot of times the SLIAC gets over looked when they do post solid records. Like in 2004 when Blackburn posted a final 28-14 record and were no where to be found in national rankings. They beat a ranked Simpson College that year non conference , Illinois Weslyan twice, and at least one more ranked school that I cant think of. And most recently Webster last season, which I know their 3-11 non-conference KILLED THEM! I think Fontbonne's pitching staff will be a little more expirenced this season and be able to hold down the other 7 batters for St Norbert... that is leaving room for Yost and Jandron to do a little bit of damage..
And Finally WashU is over rated every season. Sorry its just my opinion. They recieve instant glorification before they even play games because of the conference they play in and any SLIAC team gets instant crap thrown on them. Last year Fontbonne was 1-1 against WashU upsetting them in their first game of the season and didnt only beat them in the first game they worked them over pretty well.. winning 9-3.Also in this game Juergensmeyer, Horn and Tolan only accounted for 2 hits. The second game was a 6-4 game.. Which was close the whole game. FOntbonne lead through 6 until giving up 1 in the 7th and two in the 8th. Also for some added info Tolan and Horn both went hitless in this game. Some Solid pitching held Fontbonne in games last year and I think it will again be the case. Hopefulyl they brought in some guys to fill the voids but I ahave a lot of confidence in Coach Good and newly assigned former Webster standout Adam York..
I know they lost two games in the NCAA tourney but they were both close hard fought games.. Dont look for that to fizzel out..
AND thanks to you guys for finally helping me get some talk on this board. And I once again am open for any sort of discussion.. good or bad. I would love to see some response!
Quote from: BigPoppa on January 08, 2010, 09:40:49 AM
wustl- great points. If Fontbonne can prove they belong in the non-conf schedule, then I will tip my cap to them. My gut feeling is that they will stuggle aganst those top opponents.
Big Poppa, you know I always respect your thoughts.. BUT come on! I am trying to get my hopes up for the SLIAC finally. I know they have been critisized so much in previous seasons.. and rightfully so. Give Fontbonne a chance to do some damage in the non-conference... They may not go 11-4 but I dont see losing more games than they win! that is for sure!
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 08, 2010, 11:47:45 AM
Big Poppa, you know I always respect your thoughts.. BUT come on! I am trying to get my hopes up for the SLIAC finally. I know they have been critisized so much in previous seasons.. and rightfully so. Give Fontbonne a chance to do some damage in the non-conference... They may not go 11-4 but I dont see losing more games than they win! that is for sure!
A strong SLIAC would really help the Central Region which has been down for the past few seasons. I see Fontbonne and Webster battling for the crown in 2010. I think Augustana will be third or fourth in the CCIW, so a strong showing in that game may or may not be a true test of their team. I think the CCIW will be top-heavy with IWU/Carthage on top. I hope Fontbonne does some damage. They have a pretty strong non-conf schedule that could put them in a position to do some post-season damage.
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 07, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
*Greenville has 11 non-conference games against some very good teams. Next to Webster and Westmin, they may have one of the hardest non-conference schedules. Their non-conference has them playing McKendree, Wash U for 3 games, UW-Plattville, Cornell for two, William Patterson, Knox, FDU, and St. Norbert. I look for them to go 1-10 in non conference only beating Cornell for one game of the double header. They will be severly overmatched by WashU, McKendree, and UW-Plattville.
Once again feel free to give your opinion on my predictions. I am up for any type of response!
The four dates in Florida will more than likely be doubleheaders, so we will actually have 15 non-conference games. Cornell was 10-23 last year and Knox was 8-19. I can see us taking 3 out of 4 in those games and sneaking 1 or 2 from the others. At the end of our terrible Florida trip last year we played St. Norbert (23-15) pretty well, losing in 10 innings. Our defense in Florida has to be better than it was last year (36 errors)! Baseball can't begin soon enough for me!
Pantherfan.. thanks for the info. I was not aware that they would be double headers.. Trust me I would love to see you guys win all those games. And like I said I am up for any discussion on these topics. Would you mind giving us some info on returners who you think will impact, transfers, freshmen, and some guys who might shine this year that didnt in the past? we are up for any info you can provide! Also i think as far as errors go, a lot of sliac team's first games are on springbreak so they do commit a lot of errors because they have been stuck in a gym for the first two months... I would love to see that trend broken this year. so go get em.
WashU's record vs. the SLIAC the past 4 years...
2009 8-1
2008 3-2
2007 13-1
2006 15-0
Total 39-3
Not saying this success will continue against the SLIAC (I don't really know anything about any team besides WashU), but can you really call them overrated based on their past performance? (They are scheduled to play Webster (3), Westminster (2), Fontbonne, and Greenville in 2010).
Quote from: BearBaseball on January 10, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
WashU's record vs. the SLIAC the past 4 years...
2009 8-1
2008 3-2
2007 13-1
2006 15-0
Total 39-3
Not saying this success will continue against the SLIAC (I don't really know anything about any team besides WashU), but can you really call them overrated based on their past performance? (They are scheduled to play Webster (3), Westminster (2), Fontbonne, and Greenville in 2010).
Over rated in general not just against the SLIAC. It has been common knowledge for sometime that the SLIAC has been down in the past seasons.. so the stats you are posting dont mean much. I dont mean any disrespect, I was just saying, I expect this season to be a little different in the SLIAC. As you see the trend in your own stats, the sliac has started winning games against WashU... even though its just a little at a time ;)
Here are my predictions on some impact players this season:
Blackburn:
Sr. Pitcher Ben Eilerman - Was an honerable mention last year in the All conference voting. Posted a 5-3 record on the mound with a 5.44 era and 39 k's although that doesnt stand out too much look for this senior to shine on a very young unexpirenced team. He may be the only bright spot in Blackburn's lineup this season.
Eureka:
Sr. Pitcher Clay McConkey - Like Eilerman and Blackburn, McConkey could be the only player to stand out for Eureka this season. Last year he posted a 3-5 record with a 5.64 era. However with his 59 k's he ranked second in the league only behind Maryville stand out Alex Kollack. With a strong defense behind him, McConkey can control a game from the rubber. Hopefully Eureka has done some recruiting this summer to get McConkey some defense to work with as Eureka had 60 errors last year.
Fontbonne:
Sr. Outfielder Josh Burlison - was a second team all conference player last season. His strong point is definatly at the plate. He batted.347 with 52 hits. He was tied for the team lead in HR's (4) and RBI's (35) and was 15-17 in stolen bases. However he must clean up his fielding this season. Last year in the OF his fielding percentasge was .875 and he had 10 errors. With that said look for him to step it up in the outfield and do some damage.
Sr. 1st Baseman Josh Kraemer - played a very solid 1st base last year and was an honorable mention at his position. He only had one error in 310 chances and was a part of 24 double plats. He also was the team leader in batting average at .373 had 60 hits 15 doubles, 1 hr, and 32 RBI's. I look for Kramer to lead the team once again both in the field and and the plate.
Greenville:
Jr. 2nd Basemen Josh Hobar - really had some struggles at 2nd base last year leading the team with 20 errors. However I believe that his work in the off season and hcoach carlson will help him get turned around this season. Last year he batted .320 with 49 hits 11 of which were doubles and was 9-11 in stolen bases. Although his hitting stats were overpowered by his struggles in the field, i think that will all turn around this season and he will move from an honorable mention all conference player to a second teamer. Like Blackburn and Eureka, Greenville may not have very many bright spots this season
MacMurray:
Jr. Outfielder Jamison Lowe - Will look to hold down MacMurray this season. Last season he batted a team leading .311 with 37 hit 3 hr's and 27 RBI's.
Principia:
Jr. 1st Baseman Matt Bowman - Last season Bowman was a 2nd team 1st basemen posting some pretty impressive numbers. Bowman was in the top of almost every hitting catagory. He was the leader in OB% (.507), Doubles (10), and RBI's (36). He also was 2nd in Batting Average (.402), Hits (49), and HR's (7). Look for Bowman to shine and again as he tries to reel in a 1st team all conference award this season.
Webster:
In this case there are a few to choose from. There is room for discussion on this team but here is who I think will shine on the team this year.
sr. Outfielder Dakota Huey - The past two seasons Huey has been overlooked as one of the elite outfielders in the SLIAC. Last season though he definatly proved himself. I would also like to say I chose Huey last season as a "dark horse". Last season Huey led the team with a .398 batting average. While batting .398 he had 64 hits 18 doubles, two homers 29 RBIs was 17-24 on the base paths and posted a .946 fielding percentage. Last season he was finally recognized for his great season with a 1st team all conference award.
So. DH/1st base Joe Biagini - Had a stellar freshman season. He was a 1st team DH performer with a .368 batting average with 56 hits, 9 doubles, 2nd in home runs with 14, and a team leading 63 rbis. He was the newcomer of the year in the SLIAC and was high in the voting for player of the year and was also nationally recognized.
Sr. Pitcher Will Savage - the Ace of the staff had a great JR. season and looks to build on that. Last year in his 1st team all conference effort he was 6-3 with 49 k's while only walking 10 batters.
Westminster:
So. 3rd Baseman Evan White - posted a .385 batting average in 22 games last season. I look for him to get in every game this season and be a major contributer. in his .385 effort he had 30 hits 5 doubles 2 triples1 home run and 28 rbis. That is 1.3 rbis per game.
FINALLY last but not least the new comer:
Spalding:
Although we dont know too much about them, dont count them out just yet.
Jr. Greg Glasscock last year he led the team with a .343 batting average with 3 home runs and 25 rbis. Although the SLIAC always has solid 1st basemen look for this kid to make a legit run at the all conference awards.
Sr. Outfielder Brandon Fenwick - Fenwick has a pretty good Jr. Season batting a solid .333 with 21 BB 11 HBPP and a .463 OB%. He was also 17-21. However this kid is not only going out there looking for walks. He raked in 44 hits last season including 7 doubles 1 triple and 1 home run. He is a speedy lead off man and looks to swipe some more bags in the SLIAC>
Thanks for reading. Please post some comments on your thoughts.
Thanks for your insight into the SLIAC.
FYI: I will be in Los Angeles next weekend for a conference and will catch the season openier for La Sierra on January 24th! Hard to believe teams are starting next week when we still have 2-3 feet of snow on the ground.
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 12, 2010, 11:30:25 AMGreenville:
Jr. 2nd Basemen Josh Hobar - really had some struggles at 2nd base last year leading the team with 20 errors. However I believe that his work in the off season and hcoach carlson will help him get turned around this season. Last year he batted .320 with 49 hits 11 of which were doubles and was 9-11 in stolen bases. Although his hitting stats were overpowered by his struggles in the field, i think that will all turn around this season and he will move from an honorable mention all conference player to a second teamer. Like Blackburn and Eureka, Greenville may not have very many bright spots this season.
KYLE Hobar's struggles in the field last year were early in the season when he played shortstop for the first 17 (2-15) games and committed 16 errors in 88 chances (.818) including two games in Florida with 3 & 4 errors each. After the first conference series against Webster he was moved to second base for the final 24 games (14-10) and fielded .961 with just 4 errors in 103 chances. At only 5'7" and 140 lbs. he does have good power in the gaps occasionally. Having Stefan Neece back this year will improve Greenville as it would any team. There are some good young recruits that will help plug a few gaps left by the departure of seven seniors. Some of the names that could have an impact this year include Kenny Trager, David Massengill, Cole Lawson and Kye Winter.
Quote from: theoneandonly on December 21, 2009, 03:02:12 PM
Some of the 2010 schedules are out. Fontbonne, Blackburn, Eurkea, and Greenville are yet to post.
After looking at the schedules for the teams posted it seems that the SLIAC will have some tough non-conference competition once again this season.
*Webster has 8 non-conference games scheduled at this point against the following teams: Franklin, North Park, Dominican, Concordia, WashU(3), and UMSL.
--- Hopefully they can post a little better than last years 4-13 non conference record to prove that these guys are legit. They played very close with WashU and lost a heart breaker to UMSL last year 7-6.. They did get smacked around a but by Concordia as well.... Look for them to go 4-4 in non conference play beating Franklin, North Park, Dominican and taking down WashU once.
*Spalding has 10 non-conference games in their first season as part of the SLIAC. They will play the following teams: Franklin (2), Centre, Mississippi College (2), Wheaton, Elmhurst, Hanover (2), and Bellarmine. Although we dont know much about them yet, we do know that they now have coach Mike Stawski formly from Webster, and he doesnt know much about losing. They also beat Eureka twice last year. Although they have a new coach I still see it being hard for them to make the transition into a new conference/Division. They play tough opponents and I see them going 2-8 in their 10 non conference games beating Bellarmine and centre.
*Macmurray has 16 non conference games schueduled for the 2010 season. Their non-conference opponents are as follows: Rust(2), Union, Lane, Lambuth, Debugue (2), Robert Morris (2), Hannibal Lagrange, Lincoln Christian College, St. Louis Christian College, Buena Vista, and Monmoth. Look for the highlanders to go 4-12 splitting with Lincoln Christian and robbert morris, and sweeping St. Louis Christian COllege.
*Principia continues to grow and get better every year. They also have a 16 game non-conference schedule against the following: Ozark Christian College (3), Hendrix (3), St. Louis Christian(2) , Illinois College, Whittier, La Sierra (2), Caltech,Robert morris, and lincoln Christian College (2). I look for principia to play well in non-conference games going 7-9. I believe they will go 2-1 with Ozark, beat St. Louis Christian twice beat lincoln christian twice and split with La Sierra.
* Westminster is coming off a disappointing end to their season last year. hey currently have 16 non-conference games scheduled as well. WashU (4), Grinnell (2) Central (2) Buena Vista (3), Carroll (3), William Penn (2). I believe that Westmin will have a rough non-conference record as well.. I think they will end up going 5-11 Splitting with central, Grinell and William Penn, and going 2-1 against carroll. They just dont quite measure up with WashU and I think they will get swept in the 4 game series.
Anyway up for comments.. Feel free to agree/disagree, rip me apart, and congratulate me on my predictions. its up to you! I am definatly up for hearing someinside scoop on any teams! Perhaps that will change some of these predictions.
You think Spalding is going to beat Bellarmine? You realize that Bellarmine is a solid Division II team out of the GLVC, right?
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KYLE Hobar's struggles in the field last year were early in the season when he played shortstop for the first 17 (2-15) games and committed 16 errors in 88 chances (.818) including two games in Florida with 3 & 4 errors each. After the first conference series against Webster he was moved to second base for the final 24 games (14-10) and fielded .961 with just 4 errors in 103 chances. At only 5'7" and 140 lbs. he does have good power in the gaps occasionally. Having Stefan Neece back this year will improve Greenville as it would any team. There are some good young recruits that will help plug a few gaps left by the departure of seven seniors. Some of the names that could have an impact this year include Kenny Trager, David Massengill, Cole Lawson and Kye Winter.
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Well thanks for the updates. I still feel like Hobar will be a solid player this season. And I did forget Neece coming back. That should really make an impact on the team. He has been a feared hitter every year in the SLIAC and I dont think this season will be any different.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on January 13, 2010, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on December 21, 2009, 03:02:12 PM
Some of the 2010 schedules are out. Fontbonne, Blackburn, Eurkea, and Greenville are yet to post.
After looking at the schedules for the teams posted it seems that the SLIAC will have some tough non-conference competition once again this season.
*Webster has 8 non-conference games scheduled at this point against the following teams: Franklin, North Park, Dominican, Concordia, WashU(3), and UMSL.
--- Hopefully they can post a little better than last years 4-13 non conference record to prove that these guys are legit. They played very close with WashU and lost a heart breaker to UMSL last year 7-6.. They did get smacked around a but by Concordia as well.... Look for them to go 4-4 in non conference play beating Franklin, North Park, Dominican and taking down WashU once.
*Spalding has 10 non-conference games in their first season as part of the SLIAC. They will play the following teams: Franklin (2), Centre, Mississippi College (2), Wheaton, Elmhurst, Hanover (2), and Bellarmine. Although we dont know much about them yet, we do know that they now have coach Mike Stawski formly from Webster, and he doesnt know much about losing. They also beat Eureka twice last year. Although they have a new coach I still see it being hard for them to make the transition into a new conference/Division. They play tough opponents and I see them going 2-8 in their 10 non conference games beating Bellarmine and centre.
*Macmurray has 16 non conference games schueduled for the 2010 season. Their non-conference opponents are as follows: Rust(2), Union, Lane, Lambuth, Debugue (2), Robert Morris (2), Hannibal Lagrange, Lincoln Christian College, St. Louis Christian College, Buena Vista, and Monmoth. Look for the highlanders to go 4-12 splitting with Lincoln Christian and robbert morris, and sweeping St. Louis Christian COllege.
*Principia continues to grow and get better every year. They also have a 16 game non-conference schedule against the following: Ozark Christian College (3), Hendrix (3), St. Louis Christian(2) , Illinois College, Whittier, La Sierra (2), Caltech,Robert morris, and lincoln Christian College (2). I look for principia to play well in non-conference games going 7-9. I believe they will go 2-1 with Ozark, beat St. Louis Christian twice beat lincoln christian twice and split with La Sierra.
* Westminster is coming off a disappointing end to their season last year. hey currently have 16 non-conference games scheduled as well. WashU (4), Grinnell (2) Central (2) Buena Vista (3), Carroll (3), William Penn (2). I believe that Westmin will have a rough non-conference record as well.. I think they will end up going 5-11 Splitting with central, Grinell and William Penn, and going 2-1 against carroll. They just dont quite measure up with WashU and I think they will get swept in the 4 game series.
Anyway up for comments.. Feel free to agree/disagree, rip me apart, and congratulate me on my predictions. its up to you! I am definatly up for hearing someinside scoop on any teams! Perhaps that will change some of these predictions.
You think Spalding is going to beat Bellarmine? You realize that Bellarmine is a solid Division II team out of the GLVC, right?
Well like I said I am up for any discussion. I do realize who Bellarmine is actually. They posted a 33-24 record last year. However they have lost their two top pitchers in Mattingley who appeared in 15 games. starting 14 of those and most noteably Michael Thompson who was an a Region Pitcher of the year, 1st team all region 2nd team all american. He had 13 starts going 8-2 with 112 K's which led the GLVC in innings pitched and strikeouts. Losing your one two punch from the mound is not always the easiest to overcome. They do however still have two parts of their all region trio. They still have Patrick Bailey who will be a senior this year holding down second base. He performed very well in the off season and was asked to play on the NECBL all star team. and then you have Graven who lead the team in hitting last year with a .376 batting average which was second in the GLVC. I believe the the OF/P will be somewhat of an impact of the mound again this year but no where near the Thompson/ Mattingley duo. Although they still have a decent core, they lost some significant IMPACT players from last season and will not be as strong this season, thus leaving openings to be beaten. I hope that justifys my decision. If not, well then I dont know what will. But like i said I am always up for some discussion. And it doesnt matter what division they are... this is baseball... any team can beat ANY other team on any given day, thats why baseball is such a great game!
Blackburn has finally released their schedule at the following link:
http://www.blackburn.edu/Athletics/Baseball/Baseball.asp (http://www.blackburn.edu/Athletics/Baseball/Baseball.asp)
Looks like they have the usual teams on their non-conference schedule minus the fact that they wont be playing Illinois Weslyan to end the season for the first time in as long as I can remember. Kind of disappointing actually. Anyway their Non-conference 13 game schedule looks like this:
St. Louis Christian (2), Millikin, Rhodes, Mississippi College (2), Loyola University of New Orleans (2), Huntingdon College (3), Lincoln Christian (2).
I predict them going 5-8 in non conference play beating St Louis Christan Twice, Millikin, and Lincoln Christan twice. From what it sounds like Blackburn will have a very small squad again this year losing some key players from last years team. I think they will end up around the middle of the conference between 4th-7th. I know Mike Neal will do what he can to get some players to Blackburn though so there is no telling what came in for the Spring semester until he releases his roster.
Any key loses in players from last seasons teams that this years teams will have to overcome? Who's loses will have the biggest impact?
Quote from: STLXSLIAC on January 20, 2010, 02:21:08 AM
Any key loses in players from last seasons teams that this years teams will have to overcome? Who's loses will have the biggest impact?
Looks like there were a lot of key losses from last season. Most noteably Fuiten from Webster. I dont think it will be too difficult to have someone fill the position in Websters line up but providing the impact that he did will be close to impossible to fill. Webster also lost Eric Broughton and Kyle Starnes.
Fontbonne lost Dan Horn who was an all conference catchers for the past two seasons. He really helped hold the 2009 conference champs together. Jack Grover will also be another key loss for them
Blackburn lost Josh Holman, which will leave a huge hole at first base. He was the only player from Blackburn who was First Team All Conference. Also some recent insider news has told me that Matecki, Cadle, and Spala will all not be returning this season which leaves a hole a 3rd base and two holes in the Outfield.
Greenville will lose Rinkerwho was a 2nd team all conference pitcher last season and Bryan Hobbie who was 2nd team in the outfield as well as two honorable mentions all conference players in Brian Stoff and Mike Scott.
Eureka will lose Keith Moore, Westminster will lose Mike Silver, Principia will lose John Raffles, and Macmurray will lose James Backstein and Mikie Sellers which are all key losses for the respective teams.
Look for a lot of transfers and young guys to shine this year. However this year will hold yet another strong Senior class that will in turn leave some major holes for the NEXT season, but until that happens... lets focus on this season!
Just found out that Bryan Hobbie will be returning to Greenville this semester to take some additional classes and use his final season of eligibility to patrol centerfield for the Panthers.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on January 20, 2010, 11:04:19 AM
Just found out that Bryan Hobbie will be returning to Greenville this semester to take some additional classes and use his final season of eligibility to patrol centerfield for the Panthers.
Pantherfan, generally you have 5 years of eligibilty, you can use 4 in one sports and 1 in another. Did Hobbie not play baseball for 4 years? I am just curious? It is a tough job market, the more classes/schooling you get at this point, the better.
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Quote from: #1PantherFan on January 20, 2010, 11:04:19 AM
Just found out that Bryan Hobbie will be returning to Greenville this semester to take some additional classes and use his final season of eligibility to patrol centerfield for the Panthers.
Pantherfan, generally you have 5 years of eligibilty, you can use 4 in one sports and 1 in another. Did Hobbie not play baseball for 4 years? I am just curious? It is a tough job market, the more classes/schooling you get at this point, the better.
He has played only two years of baseball and one year of basketball. So he could play two more years, but I believe he's trying to get into dental school.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on January 20, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
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Quote from: #1PantherFan on January 20, 2010, 11:04:19 AM
Just found out that Bryan Hobbie will be returning to Greenville this semester to take some additional classes and use his final season of eligibility to patrol centerfield for the Panthers.
Pantherfan, generally you have 5 years of eligibilty, you can use 4 in one sports and 1 in another. Did Hobbie not play baseball for 4 years? I am just curious? It is a tough job market, the more classes/schooling you get at this point, the better.
He has played only two years of baseball and one year of basketball. So he could play two more years, but I believe he's trying to get into dental school.
Oh, ok thanks for filling me in. Sounds like a pretty solid young man, with a bright future. Looks like Greenville may have a leader to stand behind this season once again.
Big Poppa's Pre-season SLIAC Poll:
1. Webster (SLIAC)- They ran the table at 24-0 last season and then stumbled in the post-season, costing themselves a Pool A bid. Return six first team all-SLIAC players this season. Thoughts welcome...
2. Fontbonne (SLIAC)
3. Spalding (SLIAC)
4. Blackburn (SLIAC)
5. Greenville (SLIAC)
6. MacMurray (SLIAC)
7. Eureka (SLIAC)
8. Principia (SLIAC)
Big Poppa, I dont know that there is much to say.. haha. You are pretty much spot on. Although I think that Blackburn could range between 4th and 6th. They lost a TON of talent from last season. The only seniors on the team this season are Ben Eilerman a pitcher and Jacob Hainsfurther a pitcher who they have attempted to turn into a fielder. He can hold his own but if he were to be a position player 2nd base would be the only spot I could see putting him. Also as you saw in a couple of previous posts, Greenville will return Hobbie and Neece, those are two HUGE players for them to return. You also left out Westminster. If I changed anything in your post it would go as follows:
Webster
Fontbonne
Greenville
Spaulding
Blackburn
Westminster
Eureka
Principia
Macmurray
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 29, 2010, 04:38:10 PM
Big Poppa, I dont know that there is much to say.. haha. You are pretty much spot on. Although I think that Blackburn could range between 4th and 6th. They lost a TON of talent from last season. The only seniors on the team this season are Ben Eilerman a pitcher and Jacob Hainsfurther a pitcher who they have attempted to turn into a fielder. He can hold his own but if he were to be a position player 2nd base would be the only spot I could see putting him. Also as you saw in a couple of previous posts, Greenville will return Hobbie and Neece, those are two HUGE players for them to return. You also left out Westminster. If I changed anything in your post it would go as follows:
Webster
Fontbonne
Greenville
Spaulding
Blackburn
Westminster
Eureka
Principia
Macmurray
The SLIAC will be fun to watch this season. Is Webster going to repeat its dominace like 2009? Spaulding is a HUGE wildcard in this conference. I have a feeling they will be better than advertised and may shake up the SLIAC a bit.
Big Poppa,
I think you are right the SLIAC will be a fun conference to watch, however I think as usual they will only have a couple of teams that are going to compete outside the conference. .. My preseason says 4th for spaulding but I really think 4th through 7th is almost a toss up between the teams that are in those positions
10 days and counting until game one of the sliac season!!!
Quote from: theoneandonly on January 21, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on January 20, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
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Quote from: #1PantherFan on January 20, 2010, 11:04:19 AM
Just found out that Bryan Hobbie will be returning to Greenville this semester to take some additional classes and use his final season of eligibility to patrol centerfield for the Panthers.
Pantherfan, generally you have 5 years of eligibilty, you can use 4 in one sports and 1 in another. Did Hobbie not play baseball for 4 years? I am just curious? It is a tough job market, the more classes/schooling you get at this point, the better.
He has played only two years of baseball and one year of basketball. So he could play two more years, but I believe he's trying to get into dental school.
Oh, ok thanks for filling me in. Sounds like a pretty solid young man, with a bright future. Looks like Greenville may have a leader to stand behind this season once again.
-don't forget about a certain somebody named Stefan Neece playing first base this spring...
Dawg, dont worry, no one has forgotten.. just go back a further a few more posts and you will see there has been plenty of talk.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 16, 2010, 05:15:18 PM
10 days and counting until game one of the sliac season!!!
It's not on the SLIAC site, but Greenville is supposed to play McKendree one week from today on the 24th in Greenville. My son is thinking that there is no way the field will be in good enough shape to play though.
Will they be playing at McKendree or Grennville? That shouldbe a decent game, but McKendree is quite a squad. However I think they have a MUCH better chance at playing in Lebanon then Greenville.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 17, 2010, 01:00:59 PM
Will they be playing at McKendree or Grennville? That shouldbe a decent game, but McKendree is quite a squad. However I think they have a MUCH better chance at playing in Lebanon then Greenville.
Supposed to be in Greenville, but Lebanon is closer to the equator. Everything is subject to change.
I was in Lebanon just the other day. I would say their field is about 80% ready to play on.. their field might be the better choice, unless this beautiful stl weather stays how it is.. then you just never know.
I cant imagine any teams from the sliac playing thier games. The weather has been horrible. Any other news on weather/field conditions/relocations?
Quote from: SlidePiece on February 21, 2010, 03:01:45 PM
I cant imagine any teams from the sliac playing thier games. The weather has been horrible. Any other news on weather/field conditions/relocations?
It's supposed to be sunny in St. Louis all of this upcoming week...who knows?
Thats right, its supposed to get up to 40-45 this weekend. You never know with this midwest weather. Its going to be pretty wet for quite a while though because of all this snow and general frozeness in the ground. Once it gets nice out, all that crap will thaw out. Anyway. Hope to see some games VERY soon!
Tomorrow's game between Greenville and McKendree has been postponed. Both fields have been declared unplayable. Besides that, it was only going to be in the 20's temperature-wise.
Thats unfortunate. I am looking forward to this season and watching some good ball. Most of all I am excited to see if Neece can pick up where he left off. He was a terror to most teams in the SLIAC just a 2 years ago. I am just interested on how he and Biagani will measure up to one another as well. Hopefully Joe will not hit a sophomore slump. It also sounds like Blackburn could potentially have a pretty good team this season as well. I know just a few years ago they were on top of the league along with webster for a pretty long span and I wouldnt mind seeing them back at the top. And Fontbonne is very interesting as well. I want to see if last years playoff run was a fluke or if they really have what it takes to beat Webster. Like stated in some previous posts they lost some pretty solid players including Dan Horn, but they are returning some great players as well. All in all, this season should be a great one to watch!
Hey Everyone, looking forward to the start of the season like all of you. I have also found another website that offers up all the SLIAC teams and their rosters over past seasons as well scores and photos and player profiles. Check it out its pretty cool.
www.fanbase.com
Natural, Ive been on that site before, its pretty interesting. The SLIAC is not very detailed and is not completely up to date, but I believe it can be editied by anyone.
In other news here are the games for this weekend:
Saturday
12:00 PM Franklin vs. Spalding
12:00 PM Principia vs. Ozark Christian
3:00 PM Franklin vs. Spalding
3:00 PM Principia vs. Ozark Christian
Sunday
10:00 AM Franklin vs. Spalding
12:00 PM Coe vs. Fontbonne (IN St. Louis)
1:00 PM Franklin vs. Spalding
2:30 PM Fontbonne vs. Washington (Mo.) (IN St. Louis)
Looking forward to this weekends SLIAC start. Hopefully these games actually get played. From what it looks like, it should be around 45 -50 all weekend!
I am very curious to see what Spaulding does this weekend. They are such a wild-card this year in the SLIAC and can really change the balance of the league.
I am not sure how good Franklin's program is, but it should be a nice gauge for the new kids on the block.
Big Poppa,
1. love the new pic
2. I agree with you. I am excited to see these guys play because it could, like you said shake up the league a little bit. Hopefully all SLIAC teams come out of the gates with some W's this weekend and actually let there presence be known nationally this year. You never know, and I really hope so, but I know you wouldnt like that mr cciw haha!
As for Franklin, they posted a 31-11 record last season. They also hit 55 home runs as a team, two players (Sanders and Chrobak) each had double digit home run seasons with 11, 13. They also posted a team .349 batting average which is pretty impressive. Now THIS SEASON Franklin is ranked 29th in the American Baseball Coaches Association/Collegiate Baseball national pre-season Top-30 poll for Division III schools. They also return a ton of key contributors including junior second baseman Ian Sanders (Decatur, Ind./Bellmont H.S.), junior third baseman Alex Boone (Carmel, Ind./H.S.), senior right-handed pitcher Luke Mehringer (Jasper, Ind./H.S.) and junior right-handed pitcher Derrik Patterson (Greencastle, Ind./H.S.). Sanders, Mehringer and Patterson were 2009 HCAC First Team selections while Boone was an All-HCAC Second Team pick.
Should be a tough weekend for Spaulding, but I do hope they come out on top!
With Franklin getting some national recognition, I place them close to Webster in terms of this season's expectations, so that makes this weekend even more interesting for SLIAC fans as a good performance by Spaulding could give everyone a guage of how talented(or not) they really are.
looks like todays sliac games have changed. here are the only games that will be played today,
4:30 PM Principia vs. Grace (Ind.)
6:30 PM Principia vs. Grace (Ind.)
Principia split with a decent NAIA school yesterday. pretty good start for the panthers
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
Principia split with a decent NAIA school yesterday. pretty good start for the panthers
Wasn't Grace 10-39 last year? If that's a decent NAIA school, I'd like to see what a bad one looks like.
Fontbonne has a DH today against Wash U and Coe. Griffins could be 0-2 after today.
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Principia split with a decent NAIA school yesterday. pretty good start for the panthers
Wasn't Grace 10-39 last year? If that's a decent NAIA school, I'd like to see what a bad one looks like.
Fontbonne has a DH today against Wash U and Coe. Griffins could be 0-2 after today.
1. Yes they were
2. They have returned a lot of players.
3. They are a scholorship school. Division III is not. enough said.
Welcome back to the board myarmhurts.. but you came back with such hate. All I was saying was a good start for Prin.
I think this weekend kind of showed how spalding will measure up with fontbonne and the top of the conference. Both teams played Franklin. Franklin is a pretty stout team like we have all discussed before. They beat fontbonne 9-1 but they really spanked Spalding 17-2. Here are all the scores from this weekend.
Feb. 27 4:30 PM Grace (Ind.) 9 Principia 3 Final
6:30 PM Principia 8 Grace (Ind.) 4 Final
Feb. 28 10:00 AM Franklin 9 Spalding 1 Final
12:00 PM Coe 6 Fontbonne 3 Final
1:00 PM Franklin 17 Spalding 2 Final
2:30 PM Fontbonne 5 Washington (Mo.) 6 Final
Quote from: MyArmHurts on February 28, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
Principia split with a decent NAIA school yesterday. pretty good start for the panthers
Fontbonne has a DH today against Wash U and Coe. Griffins could be 0-2 after today.
WashU beat Fontbonne today, 6-5, behind a 5-run sixth inning and 4.2 no-hit innings by HT Flanagan to finish the game.
However, Fontbonne looked pretty solid defensively and had a couple of kids who swung the bat well. Look for them to fare very well in SLIAC league play this year.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: MyArmHurts on February 28, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
Principia split with a decent NAIA school yesterday. pretty good start for the panthers
Wasn't Grace 10-39 last year? If that's a decent NAIA school, I'd like to see what a bad one looks like.
Fontbonne has a DH today against Wash U and Coe. Griffins could be 0-2 after today.
1. Yes they were
2. They have returned a lot of players.
3. They are a scholorship school. Division III is not. enough said.
Welcome back to the board myarmhurts.. but you came back with such hate. All I was saying was a good start for Prin.
Not hatefuly, just looking at the numbers. What type of team is Franklin? Haven't had the opportunity to look up anything on them yet?
Quote from: MyArmHurts on March 01, 2010, 08:01:15 AM
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: MyArmHurts on February 28, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
Principia split with a decent NAIA school yesterday. pretty good start for the panthers
Wasn't Grace 10-39 last year? If that's a decent NAIA school, I'd like to see what a bad one looks like.
Fontbonne has a DH today against Wash U and Coe. Griffins could be 0-2 after today.
1. Yes they were
2. They have returned a lot of players.
3. They are a scholorship school. Division III is not. enough said.
Welcome back to the board myarmhurts.. but you came back with such hate. All I was saying was a good start for Prin.
Not hatefuly, just looking at the numbers. What type of team is Franklin? Haven't had the opportunity to look up anything on them yet?
Go to page 69.. about midpage.. I put some info in about Franklin.
The game between Greenville College and Wash. U. @ Wash. U. is on!! 1:00 starting time. As always, it will be a good test for the Panthers early in the season.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 02, 2010, 10:33:33 AM
The game between Greenville College and Wash. U. @ Wash. U. is on!! 1:00 starting time. As always, it will be a good test for the Panthers early in the season.
Good win for Wash U; good outing for Merzel.
Washington U. 11
Greenville 3
WP - Adam Merzel (1-0) 6.0IP 5H 3R 1ER 1BB 6K
LP - Matt Leefers (0-1) 2.0IP 4H 4R 4ER 1BB 2K
FYI - Today's game at Greenville vs. University of Wisconsin-Platteville has been moved to a 2:00 starting time.
extremely disappointing start for the SLIAC teams. The team I am the most disappointed with is Blackburn. They have started 1-2 and should very well be 3-0. The split with Lincoln Christian, and we all know about them.. and then got 10 runned by Millikin.. If they dont shape up quickly this season could be a disaster
Greenville College 9 (1-1)
UW-Platteville 4 (0-1)
WP - Matt Leefers (1-1) 6.0IP 1R 0ER 4H 1BB 5K
LP - Justin Crotty (0-1) 2.0IP 7R 4ER 5H 2BB 2K
Justin Hubbard (G) 3-3 HR 4RBI
Stefan Neece (G) 3-5
Kye Winter (G) 2-4 2B
Brian Deadmond (G) 2-5
Aaron Hopson (UW) 2-4 2B 2RBI
Wade Axelson (UW) 2-4
UW-Platteville 000 001 030 - 4 7 4
Greenville 340 000 02X - 9 13 2
Good first win of the season for the Panthers!
what about the greenville v. cornell games today jim?
Quote from: Dawg_ball on March 06, 2010, 10:04:00 PM
what about the greenville v. cornell games today jim?
Greenville sweeps the doubleheader vs. Cornell College:
Game 1Cornell 001 000 1 - 2 6 3
Greenville 003 520 X - 10 12 1
WP - Derek Reckmann (1-0)
LP - Adam Butler (1-1)
Game 2Cornell (2-3) 220 340 2 - 13 12 1
Greenville (3-1) 432 040 1 - 14 10 3
WP - Scott Voyles (1-0)
LP - Nick Norris (0-1)
HR - Kye Winter (G) (1)
Looks like Greenville is back. They have had a pretty good start to their season beating UW Platville and Cornell. Webster has started off as expected as well. Webster looks like they could start out very strong with the schedule ahead of them. I definatly am looking at Webster to be in the top 5 in the region if they come back from spring break with 6 wins or more.
just curious as to whether there are any SLIAC basketball players that also play baseball?
Also, where do Fontbonne and Webster play their home games... would like to catch some baseball this spring...2010-11 basketball is a long ways off.... ;D
Quote from: hopefan on March 12, 2010, 03:58:33 PM
just curious as to whether there are any SLIAC basketball players that also play baseball?
Also, where do Fontbonne and Webster play their home games... would like to catch some baseball this spring...2010-11 basketball is a long ways off.... ;D
Fontbonne plays their home games at Shaw Park in Clayton, Mo. Webster's home park is GCS Ballpark in Sauget, IL. (Home park of the Independent League Gateway Grizzlies).
Thanks Panther... all the way over in Sauget??? good grief... nothing available closer? I'd imagine the Webster Grove community is pretty land locked, but I'm Surprised they don't go west to Ballwin, Manchester, Fenton, Eureka, Pacific or out 40 or70 - I would think thWell, I'm not at all familiar with SLIAC baseball... there is probably some logical reason....
Sean Stochl of Blackburn plays both basketball and baseball.
Fontbonne split yesterday with St. Nortbert, losing game one 9-4 and winning game two 4-1.
looks like greenville is starting hot in florida. two wins today vs. william paterson.
game 1: 5-4
game 2: 15-4
Quote from: hopefan on March 12, 2010, 04:38:45 PM
Thanks Panther... all the way over in Sauget??? good grief... nothing available closer? I'd imagine the Webster Grove community is pretty land locked, but I'm Surprised they don't go west to Ballwin, Manchester, Fenton, Eureka, Pacific or out 40 or70 - I would think thWell, I'm not at all familiar with SLIAC baseball... there is probably some logical reason....
The reason being is that it's a top notch facility. Best park in the SLIAC with Principia following it... then the list nose dives.
Welcome back Stefan Neece. It looks like Neece has made quite an impact on the flat greenville team from last year. I know its still very early but Neece's stats, .480 (12-25) 7 runs 4 doubles 1 triple 1 homer 13 rbis 21 total bases .840 slugging% .563 on base % and 2-2 in stolen bases looks like it has really helped greenville get off to a league leading 6-2 start. Should be a great season!
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 18, 2010, 10:16:05 AM
Welcome back Stefan Neece. It looks like Neece has made quite an impact on the flat greenville team from last year. I know its still very early but Neece's stats, .480 (12-25) 7 runs 4 doubles 1 triple 1 homer 13 rbis 21 total bases .840 slugging% .563 on base % and 2-2 in stolen bases looks like it has really helped greenville get off to a league leading 6-2 start. Should be a great season!
I would have loved to see the triple....ball must have rolled for awhile :-)
Quote from: wustlfan37 on March 18, 2010, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 18, 2010, 10:16:05 AM
Welcome back Stefan Neece. It looks like Neece has made quite an impact on the flat greenville team from last year. I know its still very early but Neece's stats, .480 (12-25) 7 runs 4 doubles 1 triple 1 homer 13 rbis 21 total bases .840 slugging% .563 on base % and 2-2 in stolen bases looks like it has really helped greenville get off to a league leading 6-2 start. Should be a great season!
I would have loved to see the triple....ball must have rolled for awhile :-)
With no disrespect to Mr. Neece, I agree with you, ha! To be honest though he always hits a lot of doubles... and hes 2-2 on stolen bases.. He is a little quicker than people give him credit for
Is anyone else annoyed that SLIAC.org only has stats for greenville posted.. COME ON COACHES GET THOSE STATS IN!
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 22, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Is anyone else annoyed that SLIAC.org only has stats for greenville posted.. COME ON COACHES GET THOSE STATS IN!
Agreed. It is usually the responsibility of the SID to handle all of that. Still, I used to have to push my SID to get our stories and stats posted as soon as possible. The websites are a great recruiting tool... IF maintained and updated daily.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 22, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Is anyone else annoyed that SLIAC.org only has stats for greenville posted.. COME ON COACHES GET THOSE STATS IN!
Seems to me that Blackburn is the worst every year. They are 12 games into the season and not a single game has been submitted. Even if your record is not the best, you hurt your players from having a chance to be named hitter/pitcher of the week.
I dont think so really. Blackburn Softball does not have their stats posted either and they had the SLIAC hitter of the week last week. They are always submitted to the SLIAC but the responsibility to post them is on the individual SID like big poppa said
it looks like webster is racking up some region wins this season.. they should be ranked pretty highly going into the end of this season pending a conference season like last years.
Neece Mashes.
Blackburn got off to a solid SLIAC start yesterday. Eilerman took home the W in the 18-1 victory of MacMurray. I will stick with Eilerman as the player to watch for Blackburn.
Greenville travels to Principia today for the first conference game for both clubs. Gametime is 6:00 for the 9-inning contest.
Im looking for greenville to dominate Prin tonight.. Should come back 1-0 and tied for first with blackburn.. and yes I know its only one game into conference.. but still! haha
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 26, 2010, 12:03:20 PM
Im looking for greenville to dominate Prin tonight.. Should come back 1-0 and tied for first with blackburn.. and yes I know its only one game into conference.. but still! haha
A 1-0 start would be better than the 0-9 conference start last year!
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 26, 2010, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 26, 2010, 12:03:20 PM
Im looking for greenville to dominate Prin tonight.. Should come back 1-0 and tied for first with blackburn.. and yes I know its only one game into conference.. but still! haha
A 1-0 start would be better than the 0-9 conference start last year!
Greenville prevails against Principia 12-1. We didn't really dominate as the score might suggest. We were dominated for the first five innings by Principia hurler Greg Ball. He walked four and hit two batters, but allowed no hits. Heard that he spent the first semester this year in Hawaii, so he didn't have the conditioning Coach Paciorek would normally prefer, therefore he was on a pitch-count of 70 pitches. He was at 74 thru five innings, so he gave way to Robbie Nickell, who maintained the no-no thru six innings. With one out in the seventh Greenville managed to bust out with seven runs. Senior catcher Brian Deadmond busted up the no-hitter big time with a two-run homer to left. Junior transfer David Massengill (3-0) was dominating himself for Greenville as he went seven innings, allowing five hits while striking out eleven and walking three.
Greenville stayed perfect in SLIAC play (5-0) with a doubleheader sweep today over Blackburn 18-7 & 13-3. The main hitting star of the day was Stefan Neece who went 6 for 7 in the doubleheader with 4 HR's (3 in game 2) and 12 RBI's. The 4 HR's gave him 6 on the year and also established a new Greenville College career mark with 38.
4 home runs against blackburn sounds about right for Neece. They have always seemed to have trouble against that guy. He is having one heck of a season thus far.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 31, 2010, 09:33:59 AM
4 home runs against blackburn sounds about right for Neece. They have always seemed to have trouble against that guy. He is having one heck of a season thus far.
Agreed seems like this guys been around forever, actually 5 yrs IIRC. Hes always put up great #'s
Today's game (4/7) @ Blackburn vs. Greenville has been postponed and will be played tomorrow (4/8).
The scheduled DH between Greenville & Eureka yesterday, that was to begin at 2:00, was changed to a single 4:00 9-inning game when the scheduled umpires did not show. When contacted, they had it on their schedules for tomorrow. We were able to contact an IHSA (high school) umpire, and recruited another experienced umpire from the crowd. They both did an admirable job. Anyway, now to the game. Our starting pitcher Derrick Hudnut, struggled in the 1st inning and it was 7-0 after the first inning. Daniel Covert came in and got the final out in the inning. We scored one in the bottom of the 1st (Stefan Neece HR). We got 2 runs in the third to make it 7-3. They scored 1 in the top of the 4th (8-3). We scored 2 more in the bottom of the 4th (8-5). We added another run in the 6th (David Massengill HR). Finally, with 2 outs in the bottom of the 4th, Neeces's 2nd HR, a 2-run shot, ties it at 8-8. In the meantime, Covert has been doing a fantastic job on the mound (7 1/3 innings and 1 run). Covert finally came out in the top of the 9th with a 2 ball, no strike count on the batter, and they brought in Matt Leefers. He wound up walking the batter and then struck out the next guy trying to bunt. He then got the next batter to ground into a double play 5-4-3. In the bottom of the 9th, Kenny Trager led off with a base hit. Juan Mondragon came in to pinch run and stole 2nd. They intentionally walked Kye Winter. Adam Wallace then doubled over the left fielder's head for a 9-8 Panther win!! A great team effort!!
Greenville & Eureka will play a DH next Wednesday @ Eureka beginning @ 2:00.
WU seems to be rolling through the SLIAC again this season. Not shocked.
Quote from: depew24 on April 16, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
WU seems to be rolling through the SLIAC again this season. Not shocked.
Will be fun to see how they play against Greenville who is hot on their heels for the #1 seed.
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 16, 2010, 02:05:26 PM
Quote from: depew24 on April 16, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
WU seems to be rolling through the SLIAC again this season. Not shocked.
Will be fun to see how they play against Greenville who is hot on their heels for the #1 seed.
It will be fun to see when Greenville plays Webster and Fontbonne to see if they can hold on to a #2 seed. Greenville has played turds all year and have played some close games (or even lost) to teams that Webster has crushed. Neece is a great hitter and his stats are incredible, but clearly the product of a cupcake schedule thus far.
Neece hit two more homers yesterday to put him at 13. The guy is just destroying everything.. hes batting 500 with 13 homers and 51 rbis and 30 walks.. his ob% is like .680.. not to shabby
Am I seeing things or did MacMurrary really get a win over Greenville? How is that possible. MacMurrary is maybe the worst college baseball team I've ever seen.
What a disappointing loss for blackburn yesterday. Unfortunatly its the story of their season.. They were winning 6-0 for about 4-5 innings until they gave up a 10 spot. Tough way to wind down the season. On the flip side Jake Jurczak made quite an amazing play at shortstop that would definatly make the top 10 on espn.
Quote from: theoneandonly on May 05, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
What a disappointing loss for blackburn yesterday. Unfortunatly its the story of their season.. They were winning 6-0 for about 4-5 innings until they gave up a 10 spot. Tough way to wind down the season. On the flip side Jake Jurczak made quite an amazing play at shortstop that would definatly make the top 10 on espn.
It's Blackburn. Did you really expect them to hold a lead? They have been an awful team all season. The only thing they can do at this point is hurt Eureka's chances of making the conference tourney if they can pull an upset today.
Westminster will host Eureka at Greenville College in the final regular season games (DH) this afternoon beginning at 1:00 p.m. Westminster must sweep to get into the tournament as the #4 seed. If Eureka sweeps they will be the #3 seed and knock Fontbonne down to the #4 seed. A split will give Eureka the #4 seed.
No surprise; it's Webster as the Pool A.
Congrats to Coach Kurich and the Gorloks on their tournament victory. Make some noise in Moline and do the SLIAC proud.
Will the (poor) strength of Greenville's schedule hurt Neece's bid for player of the year?
Quote from: bulldozer on May 16, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Will the (poor) strength of Greenville's schedule hurt Neece's bid for player of the year?
SLIAC Player of the year is a possibility, but not National POY.
Stefan Neece (Greenville) did receive the SLIAC Player of the Year award. Matt Leefers (Greenville) was the recipient of the first ever SLIAC Pitcher of the Year award. Cody Stevenson (Webster) received the SLIAC Newcomer of the Year award.
I would like to recognize Greenville College's head baseball coach Lynn Carlson. GC's 5-1 win over Fontbonne in the SLIAC tournament was his 300th career win at Greenville College. His 295th win earlier this year made him the all-time winningest baseball coach at GC.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2010, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bulldozer on May 16, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Will the (poor) strength of Greenville's schedule hurt Neece's bid for player of the year?
SLIAC Player of the year is a possibility, but not National POY.
He was named as the Player of the Year for the NCCAA Division I.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 19, 2010, 04:17:56 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2010, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bulldozer on May 16, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Will the (poor) strength of Greenville's schedule hurt Neece's bid for player of the year?
SLIAC Player of the year is a possibility, but not National POY.
He was named as the Player of the Year for the NCCAA Division I.
Dude, give it a rest. Greenville had a nice season against an extremely weak schedule. Pat yourself on the back and sit back & watch some very good teams battle it out in the regionals. What the hell is NCCAA anyway?
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 19, 2010, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 19, 2010, 04:17:56 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2010, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bulldozer on May 16, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Will the (poor) strength of Greenville's schedule hurt Neece's bid for player of the year?
SLIAC Player of the year is a possibility, but not National POY.
He was named as the Player of the Year for the NCCAA Division I.
Dude, give it a rest. Greenville had a nice season against an extremely weak schedule. Pat yourself on the back and sit back & watch some very good teams battle it out in the regionals. What the hell is NCCAA anyway?
National Christian College Athletic Association - Not surprising that you had no idea what it was but I will pray for you.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 19, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 19, 2010, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 19, 2010, 04:17:56 PM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2010, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: bulldozer on May 16, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Will the (poor) strength of Greenville's schedule hurt Neece's bid for player of the year?
SLIAC Player of the year is a possibility, but not National POY.
He was named as the Player of the Year for the NCCAA Division I.
Dude, give it a rest. Greenville had a nice season against an extremely weak schedule. Pat yourself on the back and sit back & watch some very good teams battle it out in the regionals. What the hell is NCCAA anyway?
National Christian College Athletic Association - Not surprising that you had no idea what it was but I will pray for you.
This award is nothing like NCAA DIII Player of the Year. It says he was the best player out of a group of mostly lousy baseball schools. Why don't you go to church and pray that your team is good enough to make the playoffs next year.
Ahhhhhh.... religion. The great uniter in this country. Nothing stirs the pot like a discussion of one's faith:) Maybe Martin Luther was wrong?
QuoteThis award is nothing like NCAA DIII Player of the Year. It says he was the best player out of a group of mostly lousy baseball schools.
I realize that Neece is probably not going to receive the NCAA DIII Player of the Year, but to say the schools who choose to include a membership in the NCCAA are lousy baseball schools is far from the truth. Many of them are NAIA schools and the ten schools currently playing in the NCCAA World Series in Mason, OH have sent 42 players on to play professional ball. What is so wrong with a person trying to acknowledge and recognize accomplishments by the players on their favorite college team? You never did answer what your connection to Webster U. was. If you would check my profile, you could easily determine by my e-mail address that I am the father of Matt Leefers, Greenville pitcher for the last four years. You choose to hide behind your posting name.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 20, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
QuoteThis award is nothing like NCAA DIII Player of the Year. It says he was the best player out of a group of mostly lousy baseball schools.
I realize that Neece is probably not going to receive the NCAA DIII Player of the Year, but to say the schools who choose to include a membership in the NCCAA are lousy baseball schools is far from the truth. Many of them are NAIA schools and the ten schools currently playing in the NCCAA World Series in Mason, OH have sent 42 players on to play professional ball. What is so wrong with a person trying to acknowledge and recognize accomplishments by the players on their favorite college team? You never did answer what your connection to Webster U. was. If you would check my profile, you could easily determine by my e-mail address that I am the father of Matt Leefers, Greenville pitcher for the last four years. You choose to hide behind your posting name.
I'd second this opinion. The quality of the teams does vary a lot, but we've played a few (Malone and Atlanta Christian) and they have been very competitive. I think Malone woon 40+ games in NAIA last year.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 20, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
QuoteThis award is nothing like NCAA DIII Player of the Year. It says he was the best player out of a group of mostly lousy baseball schools.
I realize that Neece is probably not going to receive the NCAA DIII Player of the Year, but to say the schools who choose to include a membership in the NCCAA are lousy baseball schools is far from the truth. Many of them are NAIA schools and the ten schools currently playing in the NCCAA World Series in Mason, OH have sent 42 players on to play professional ball. What is so wrong with a person trying to acknowledge and recognize accomplishments by the players on their favorite college team? You never did answer what your connection to Webster U. was. If you would check my profile, you could easily determine by my e-mail address that I am the father of Matt Leefers, Greenville pitcher for the last four years. You choose to hide behind your posting name.
I have a serious question now that I know who you are. Why did Massengill start game one of the SLIAC tournament? That is an honest question because I think it was a huge coaching mistake not to throw your #1 (Matt) in game one. Did they think they could squeak by Fontbonne and save Matt for Webster in game 2?
Quote from: BigToughGuy on May 20, 2010, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 20, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
QuoteThis award is nothing like NCAA DIII Player of the Year. It says he was the best player out of a group of mostly lousy baseball schools.
I realize that Neece is probably not going to receive the NCAA DIII Player of the Year, but to say the schools who choose to include a membership in the NCCAA are lousy baseball schools is far from the truth. Many of them are NAIA schools and the ten schools currently playing in the NCCAA World Series in Mason, OH have sent 42 players on to play professional ball. What is so wrong with a person trying to acknowledge and recognize accomplishments by the players on their favorite college team? You never did answer what your connection to Webster U. was. If you would check my profile, you could easily determine by my e-mail address that I am the father of Matt Leefers, Greenville pitcher for the last four years. You choose to hide behind your posting name.
I have a serious question now that I know who you are. Why did Massengill start game one of the SLIAC tournament? That is an honest question because I think it was a huge coaching mistake not to throw your #1 (Matt) in game one. Did they think they could squeak by Fontbonne and save Matt for Webster in game 2?
As one of our coaches said "we were in it to win it", meaning they were taking the steps they deemed necessary to win the tournament, not just surviving from game to game. Fontbonne did not see Massengill in our three game series and he was just as good as Matt many times this year. I'm sure Coach Kurich was second-guessing himself when he went with his #4 (DuHadway) against Eureka and was down 5-3 going into the seventh. As far as going with Covert against Eureka in game #2, Daniel has always had good success against the Red Devils and that game was no exception. For some reason we just didn't hit McConkey like we had in the past and just squeaked by. Matt then pitched great against Fontbonne and got us to the championship game where you've always got a chance.
while all of you have been arguing about pointless topics, webster has been doing work in the tourney.. WHO is ready to see the SLIACS first appearance in the d3 work series? Just two more wins!
CONGRATS to Stephen Neece on being selected as a third team All American
From the SLIAC Website:
May 26, 2010 - Baseball
NINE SLIAC BASEBALL PLAYERS NAMED TO 2010 RAWLINGS/ABCA ALL-CENTRAL REGION TEAM
ST. LOUIS - Nine St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC) baseball players have been named to the 2010 Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region Team. Fontbonne University's Josh Kraemer and Josh Burlison, Greenville College's Stefan Neece, Matt Leefers and Bryan Hobbie and Webster University's Victor Valdez, Will Savage, David Mueller, Craig Schaefer all earned the honor.
Hobbie, a senior outfielder, was the lone player named to the Rawlings/ABCA Central Region Gold Glove Team. He posted a perfect 1.000 fielding percentage in center field, recording 95 putouts and one assist in 96 total chances. Hobbie was also a Honorable Mention All-SLIAC selection this season.
Neece, Valdez and Savage were all named First Team Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region. Neece, a senior first baseman, was also the 2010 SLIAC Player of the Year and a First Team All-SLIAC selection. He led the Panthers this season with a .487 batting average, 67 RBI, 57 hits, 51 runs scored, 19 home runs and 11 doubles. He also posted a 1.085 slugging percentage, .663 on-base percentage, 11 stolen bases and a .991 fielding percentage with 327 putouts and 22 assists in 352 total chances.
Valdez, a senior outfielder, led the Gorloks at the plate with a .385 batting average, 70 RBI, 67 hits, 52 runs scored, 16 home runs, 13 doubles and three triples. As the starting right fielder, he also recorded a .982 fielding percentage with 50 putouts and five assists in 56 total chances. Valdez was also a Honorable Mention All-SLIAC honoree this season.
Savage, a senior pitcher, also received First Team All-SLIAC honors this season. He was the Gorloks' top hurler with a 9-0 record on the mound, including six complete games and three shutouts. Savage posted a 1.52 ERA in 82.2 innings of work and struck out a total of 72 batters. He also held his opponents to a .172 batting average.
Mueller, a sophomore pitcher, was the lone SLIAC player named to the Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region Second Team. Mueller, who was also a Second Team All-SLIAC selection this season, recorded a 2.08 ERA in 78.0 innings on the mound. He was 8-1 in 13 total appearances and pitched three complete games and one combined shutout. Mueller also tallied a total of 63 strikeouts.
Schaefer, Leefers, Kraemer and Burlison all received Third Team Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region honors. Schaefer, a junior designated hitter, went 61-for-175 at the plate for a .349 batting average. He recorded 41 RBI, 41 runs scored, 12 doubles and nine home runs, while also going 5-of-5 in stolen base attempts. Schaefer was also a Second Team All-SLIAC selection this season.
Leefers, a senior pitcher, was the SLIAC Pitcher of the Year and a First Team All-SLIAC honoree. He was 8-4 on the mound with one save, earning the decision or a save in 13 out of 14 total appearances. He posted a 2.31 ERA in 78.0 innings of work, while also recording six complete games and two shutouts. Leefers also recorded 53 strikeouts and allowed only 17 walks in 296 batters faced.
Kraemer, a senior third baseman, also received First Team All-SLIAC honors this season. He finished the season with a .390 batting average and recorded 60 hits, 57 RBI, 31 runs scored, 14 doubles and five home runs. His 57 RBI was also a team-high for the Griffins.
Burlison, a senior shortstop, led Fontbonne at the plate with a .434 batting average. He went 62-for-143 with 46 RBI, 39 runs scored, 12 doubles, six home runs and four triples. Burlison, who was a First Team All-SLIAC selection, also was 24-of-28 in stolen base attempts.
Congrats to Stefan Neece, 1B (Greenville College) and Will Savage, P (Webster University) for being named as 2010 ABCA/Rawlings NCAA Division III All-Americans on the First Team.
From the Webster University site:
Will Savage, coming off the finest pitching season in Gorlok baseball annals, has signed with the Milledgeville Capitals of the Peach State League in Georgia. The 2010 graduate made his debut for the Capitals on June 24, starting the game and leaving his team with a 3-1 lead after pitching six strong innings. He did not figure in the decision as the Capitals bullpen couldn't hold the lead.
Savage allowed four hits and one run, in his six innings, while striking out four. Of the 84 pitches he threw in his inaugural professional outing, 54 were for strikes. He starts the season with a 1.50 ERA, picking up where his senior year as a Gorlok left off. Savage set numerous records for Webster baseball in 2010, including his season ERA of 1.52 and for victories in a season as he compiled a 9-0 record.
Post-season honors piled up for Savage as he was named a 2010 Rawlings/ABCA First Team All-American, 2010 Rawlings/ABCA All-Central First Team, All-Tournament Team for the NCAA III Central Region, and SLIAC First Team All-Conference.
The Peach State is a rookie league made up of undrafted players, specifically college seniors who have no eligibility remaining. Rookie players released by a major league team during spring training or by a minor league team during its season are also eligible. Players are only eligible to play in the league for one season. Teams will play a 42-game schedule.
Milledgeville is a city of 18,000 in central Georgia, northeast of Macon. The city served as Georgia's state capital before being burned by Gen. William Sherman's Union troops in the Civil War. The state capital was moved to Atlanta after the War.
Has everyone had a chance to take a look at the new SLIAC site. It is MUCH better than in the past. when you get a chance go take a looK! MAJOR UPGRADE!
www.sliac.org
blackburn baseball has released their 2011 schedule:
Date Opponent Time Score Record
March 2 vs. St. Louis Christian College 1:30 PM
March 3 vs. Robert Morris-Springfield 1:30 PM
March 7 @ Mississippi College 4:00 PM
March 8 @ Loyola University of New Orleans ** 6:00 PM
March 9 @ Loyola University of New Orleans 6:00 PM
March 11 @ Huntingdon College 6:00 PM
March 12 @ Huntingdon College ** 2:00 PM
March 16 vs. Benedictine University- Springfield 2:00 PM
March 18 vs. Eureka College 3:30 PM
March 19 vs. Dubuque College 1:00 PM
March 21 vs. Lincoln Christian University ** 2:00 PM
March 22 @ Millikin University 3:00 PM
March 26 @ MacMurray College ** 1:00 PM
March 27 vs. MacMurray College 3:00 PM
March 29 vs. Eureka College ** 2:00 PM
April 2 vs. Webster University 2:00 PM
April 3 @ Webster University ** 1:00 PM
April 5 vs. Washington University 3:00 PM
April 6 @ Eureka College 3:00 PM
April 8 @ Greenville College 3:00 PM
April 9 vs. Greenville College ** 1:00 PM
April 12 vs. Principia College ** 2:00 PM
April 16 @ Spalding University ** 1:00 PM
April 17 @ Spalding University 1:00 PM
April 19 @ Principia College 6:00 PM
April 23 @ Westminster College ** 2:00 PM
April 24 @ Westminster College 2:00 PM
April 26 vs. Fontbonne University 3:00 PM
May 4 @ Fontbonne University ** 3:00 PM
** designate double headers
Today's game between Greenville and McKendree has been cancelled.
From the conference website:
Defending Champ Webster Tops SLIAC Baseball Pre-Season Coaches Poll
St. Louis, Mo. – Defending St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC) champion Webster University has been chosen as the pre-season favorite in the SLIAC Baseball Pre-Season Coaches' Poll. The Gorloks received five first place votes and had a total of 54 points.
Webster went 35-11 in 2010 and captured their fourth consecutive regular season Conference title. They also finished the season ranked No. 24 in the final ABCA/Collegiate Baseball NCAA Division III poll. Head coach Bill Kurich lost eight All-Conference players to graduation, but he does return All-Region players Craig Schaefer and David Mueller, along with four seniors and an outstanding recruiting class.
Also receiving first place votes in the poll was Spalding University (3). The Golden Eagles went 13-11 in SLIAC play last season and finished 19-20 overall. Spalding, who ranked third in the pre-season coaches' poll, is eligible for the regular season SLIAC title, but can not qualify yet for SLIAC Tournament play.
Fontbonne University was selected to finish second among the league coaches. The Griffins went 21-20 overall in 2010 and 14-10 in the conference. Greenville, who finished second last season with a conference record of 18-6 and 28-14 overall, rounded out the top four in the pre-season poll.
SLIAC Baseball Pre-Season Poll
1 Webster (5)
2 Fontbonne
3 Spalding (3)
4 Greenville
5 Westminster (Mo.)
6 Principia
7 Eureka
8 Blackburn
9 MacMurray
The Key for Webster in 2011 will be beating non-SLIAC opponents to give themselves a better chance at a Pool C bid should they stumble in the SLIAC tourney.
I know there has been no reason in the past (in other peoples opinon) to think that the SLIAC can do some legit damage to out of conference teams. However i feel like multiple schools have brought in a number of recruits and many teams are underestimated this year. Greenville, Westmin, and Blackburn specifically. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on February 28, 2011, 01:00:20 PM
It's spring and theoneandonlyidiot is back! As always, your comment is idiotic with no basis.
Slinging names already and only 5 games have been played.. wow... i think your name should be bigtoughidiot... or mister -36... thats not saying too much on your part. I will add my validity when i get some time... not all of us are unemployed bigtoughguys sitting at home looking to pick a fight on a forum. Ive only had good things to say. you on the otherhand... well we can only hope for something positive to come out ONCE this spring.
OK bigtough idiot here you go.
Lets start by saying webster lost 12 athletes at the end of last year which is going to be pretty to replace. enough said there.. try and jump off the bandwagon for a minute.
Greenville- They lost two huge players. As well all know Neece is gone.. which is GREAT for everyone in the league except Greenville, and they also lost leefers who was an all conference player. HOWEVER they return 5 solid starters including Hobar who hit .327 last year and was second on the team in hit behind neece. They also host an impressive freshman class composed of 18 athletes.
Westminster is going to have it rough next year, and yes i said NEXT YEAR when the lose coach Pritchard... But all the more reason to go out with a bang. again they lost some key players but everyone did. they have a large team in 31 players, 17 of which are upperclassmen and a majority of them are home grown (there for their whole career). They are returing Gibbs who has some of the best wheels in the league (16-19) lastyear in stolen bases and Reynolds who hit 7 bombs last year.. Im sure coach Pritchard would like to see his average go up a bit since last years .299 B.A. but thats what the off season is for.
And finally Blackburn.. You can only go up from a 9-27 season and they have a few guys that are going to help them do that. They are a young team but they do return one star in Jake Jurczak who his 7 bombs last year and was first team all conference. They are also returning a pretty solid hitter in NICK Cronin who just two years ago was among the hardest in the NCAA to strike out. In the SLIAC balls in play mean people are moving around.. the more the ball is hit on the ground the more chance there is to get on base.. anyone can catch a fly ball. They also return a pretty solid starter in Andrews. Lets be honest the starting pitching was terrible last year, but look for a much better year for Andrews and expect some other guys to get some innings.. Losing Eilerman will hurt them, but im sure they will find someone to fill the void..
Hope thats enough info for now. Please feel free to ask any questions and I will be sure to get back to you with some educated responses that are fully detailed for you.
Why is Pritchard leaving Westminster?
Quote from: BigPoppa on February 28, 2011, 09:31:48 PM
Why is Pritchard leaving Westminster?
Hard to tell. It didnt say in the article that was posted. It will be a sad day for westminster though losing a coach with a 298-229 record going into this season and a 207-196 record at westminster alone.
Greenville loses to Washington U. 8-3. Panthers led 3-2 going into the bottom of the seventh and gave up 3 runs in both the 7th and 8th.
"pretty to replace"? Learn how to type.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2011, 05:19:06 PM
OK bigtough idiot here you go.
Lets start by saying webster lost 12 athletes at the end of last year which is going to be pretty to replace. enough said there.. try and jump off the bandwagon for a minute.
Greenville- They lost two huge players. As well all know Neece is gone.. which is GREAT for everyone in the league except Greenville, and they also lost leefers who was an all conference player. HOWEVER they return 5 solid starters including Hobar who hit .327 last year and was second on the team in hit behind neece. They also host an impressive freshman class composed of 18 athletes.
Westminster is going to have it rough next year, and yes i said NEXT YEAR when the lose coach Pritchard... But all the more reason to go out with a bang. again they lost some key players but everyone did. they have a large team in 31 players, 17 of which are upperclassmen and a majority of them are home grown (there for their whole career). They are returing Gibbs who has some of the best wheels in the league (16-19) lastyear in stolen bases and Reynolds who hit 7 bombs last year.. Im sure coach Pritchard would like to see his average go up a bit since last years .299 B.A. but thats what the off season is for.
And finally Blackburn.. You can only go up from a 9-27 season and they have a few guys that are going to help them do that. They are a young team but they do return one star in Jake Jurczak who his 7 bombs last year and was first team all conference. They are also returning a pretty solid hitter in NICK Cronin who just two years ago was among the hardest in the NCAA to strike out. In the SLIAC balls in play mean people are moving around.. the more the ball is hit on the ground the more chance there is to get on base.. anyone can catch a fly ball. They also return a pretty solid starter in Andrews. Lets be honest the starting pitching was terrible last year, but look for a much better year for Andrews and expect some other guys to get some innings.. Losing Eilerman will hurt them, but im sure they will find someone to fill the void..
Hope thats enough info for now. Please feel free to ask any questions and I will be sure to get back to you with some educated responses that are fully detailed for you.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 02, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
"pretty to replace"? Learn how to type.
Quote from: theoneandonly on February 28, 2011, 05:19:06 PM
OK bigtough idiot here you go.
Lets start by saying webster lost 12 athletes at the end of last year which is going to be pretty to replace. enough said there.. try and jump off the bandwagon for a minute.
Greenville- They lost two huge players. As well all know Neece is gone.. which is GREAT for everyone in the league except Greenville, and they also lost leefers who was an all conference player. HOWEVER they return 5 solid starters including Hobar who hit .327 last year and was second on the team in hit behind neece. They also host an impressive freshman class composed of 18 athletes.
Westminster is going to have it rough next year, and yes i said NEXT YEAR when the lose coach Pritchard... But all the more reason to go out with a bang. again they lost some key players but everyone did. they have a large team in 31 players, 17 of which are upperclassmen and a majority of them are home grown (there for their whole career). They are returing Gibbs who has some of the best wheels in the league (16-19) lastyear in stolen bases and Reynolds who hit 7 bombs last year.. Im sure coach Pritchard would like to see his average go up a bit since last years .299 B.A. but thats what the off season is for.
And finally Blackburn.. You can only go up from a 9-27 season and they have a few guys that are going to help them do that. They are a young team but they do return one star in Jake Jurczak who his 7 bombs last year and was first team all conference. They are also returning a pretty solid hitter in NICK Cronin who just two years ago was among the hardest in the NCAA to strike out. In the SLIAC balls in play mean people are moving around.. the more the ball is hit on the ground the more chance there is to get on base.. anyone can catch a fly ball. They also return a pretty solid starter in Andrews. Lets be honest the starting pitching was terrible last year, but look for a much better year for Andrews and expect some other guys to get some innings.. Losing Eilerman will hurt them, but im sure they will find someone to fill the void..
Hope thats enough info for now. Please feel free to ask any questions and I will be sure to get back to you with some educated responses that are fully detailed for you.
Pretty tough to replace.. sorry for the minor misstep.. Im glad that was your comeback though... have fun watching your karma drop.
Westminster split with washU yesterday. Like I said before, I think they were highly under rated going into the season... Blackburn starts of their season against robert morris today, AND Prin should get their 3rd win against st. louis christian to bring them to 3-0.
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
According to Webster's site, (http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&) Valdez was a senior in 2010.
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
According to Webster's site, (http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&) Valdez was a senior in 2010.
I guess i did not realize that.. thanks for the info! That is another huge loss for webster.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
According to Webster's site, (http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&) Valdez was a senior in 2010.
I guess i did not realize that.. thanks for the info! That is another huge loss for webster.
Yes, those are some big numbers to offset -- .385, 16 HR, 70 RBIs, .770 SLG.
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 02:44:59 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
According to Webster's site, (http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&) Valdez was a senior in 2010.
I guess i did not realize that.. thanks for the info! That is another huge loss for webster.
Yes, those are some big numbers to offset -- .385, 16 HR, 70 RBIs, .770 SLG.
Speaking of big numbers to offset, what happened to Joe Biagini? He hit .367-13-62 in '09 and .295-7-42 in '10. He is not on the roster for Webster either.
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 03, 2011, 04:39:59 PM
Of course you didn't realize that....because you're an idiot!
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
According to Webster's site, (http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&) Valdez was a senior in 2010.
I guess i did not realize that.. thanks for the info! That is another huge loss for webster.
Wow, still going strong. You have managed to drop 4 points since your last point and NONE of them are from me.. this is my last reply to you.. quit wasting your time with hate.. we come on here to talk about baseball not fight via the net. get a life man.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 03, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 02:44:59 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: mr_b on March 03, 2011, 12:08:22 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 03, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
Just took a second look at Websters roster. Does anyone know what happened to
Victor Valdez? He hit 16 bombs last year for webster but I didnt think he was a senior.. Maybe im wrong.. either way does anyone know?
According to Webster's site, (http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=baseball&) Valdez was a senior in 2010.
I guess i did not realize that.. thanks for the info! That is another huge loss for webster.
Yes, those are some big numbers to offset -- .385, 16 HR, 70 RBIs, .770 SLG.
Speaking of big numbers to offset, what happened to Joe Biagini? He hit .367-13-62 in '09 and .295-7-42 in '10. He is not on the roster for Webster either.
AHH good call panther... that is who i was looking for but i could not remember the guys name.... ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS GUY?
and panther, whats your take on greenville this year?
Webster is definitely still the team to beat again despite the losses to graduation (7 AC players). They still return one 1st team AC (Stevenson), three 2nd team AC (Mueller, Genna, Schaefer) and one HM (Shelton). Spalding will finish in the top four but will be ineligible for the post season tournament. I believe Greenville will be able to get back to the tournament despite the fact that we'll return just two AC players (2nd team - Hobar & HM -Trager). We not only lost AC players Neece, Leefers, & Hobbie to graduation but also 1st teamer Kye Winter (.310; 6-1 on the mound) who decided to go to school closer to home at Augustana College in Sioux Falls, S.D. We still return along with Hobar (.327) & Trager (.368), regulars David Massengill (.366; 5-4 on the mound), Cole Lawson (.280), Adam Wallace (.242), and Daniel Covert (.269; 3-0 on the mound). An impressive group of freshman will make some impact. I think the sleeper team, picked by the coaches to finish 6th will be Principia. I believe they'll make it to the tournament for the first time in many years.
Panther, I tend to agree with you on prin. They have gradually improved every year and seem to have a pretty solid pitching staff this season. They have started out 3-0.. Even though those games were against Rust (2 games) and St Louis Christian (1 game). Greg Ball had a solid start in his first game going 6 inning giving up only 4 hits and 1 earned run while striking out 6. and Nathan Gotch has started 2-0 with 13k's in only 7.2 innings pitched. They are playing ozark christian next so I expect them to come out of that with another 2 wins.
Greenville's Double-Header Against Illinois Wesleyan Cancelled
GREENVILLE, Ill. - Due to adverse weather and field conditions Greenville College's double-header scheduled for Saturday afternoon against Illinois Wesleyan has been cancelled. It will not be rescheduled. Greenville will resume play Monday, March 14 against Edgewood, as they travel to Winter Haven, Florida for their week long spring break road trip.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 04, 2011, 04:55:54 PM
Greenville's Double-Header Against Illinois Wesleyan Cancelled
GREENVILLE, Ill. - Due to adverse weather and field conditions Greenville College's double-header scheduled for Saturday afternoon against Illinois Wesleyan has been cancelled. It will not be rescheduled. Greenville will resume play Monday, March 14 against Edgewood, as they travel to Winter Haven, Florida for their week long spring break road trip.
Well, the doubleheader has been rescheduled for today in Greenville starting at 1:00.
IWU wins Game 1 by the score of 9-1.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 07, 2011, 05:08:37 PM
IWU wins Game 1 by the score of 9-1.
IWU wins Game 2 3-0.
Will Savage (Webster '10) has signed with the Joliet Slammers in the independent Frontier League, and Stefan Neece (Greenville '10) has signed with the Las Cruces Vaqueros in the independent Pecos League. Congrats to both!!
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Will Savage (Webster '10) has signed with the Joliet Slammers in the independent Frontier League, and Stefan Neece (Greenville '10) has signed with the Las Cruces Vaqueros in the independent Pecos League. Congrats to both!!
That is suprising about Neece. I dont doubt the talent one bit, the guy is a pure hitter. However, and this could just be hear say, but, I heard the only reason Neece went to Greenville was because it was close to home.. now hes across the country. REGARDLESS, congrats to both of these guys, definatly deserving.
directly from d3baseball.com
Blue Jays earn 1000th win
Westminster (Mo.) won the 1000th game in the 116-year history of the baseball program and Coach Scott Pritchard recorded his 300th win as a head coach with a 9-8 victory over Grinnell Sunday in Fulton, Missouri. The Blue Jays now stand 1,000-935-9 all-time.
Pritchard joined the Westminster athletic department staff as the head baseball coach in 1999 after serving as head coach at Wisconsin-Stevens Point for three years. Pritchard guided the Blue Jays to back-to-back SLIAC titles and NCAA Division III national tournament appearances in his first two seasons, earning SLIAC Coach of the Year twice. He is now 209-199 over the past 11 seasons at Westminster and he stands 300-232 in his 14-year head coaching career. This season will be the last for Pritchard as he announced earlier that this will be his last season in a Westminister uniform.
Westminister started playing baseball in 1872. The Blue Jays won eight Missouri College Athletic Union titles (1912, 1918, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1960, 1961) and two SLIAC titles (2000, 2001).
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 09, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Will Savage (Webster '10) has signed with the Joliet Slammers in the independent Frontier League, and Stefan Neece (Greenville '10) has signed with the Las Cruces Vaqueros in the independent Pecos League. Congrats to both!!
That is suprising about Neece. I dont doubt the talent one bit, the guy is a pure hitter. However, and this could just be hear say, but, I heard the only reason Neece went to Greenville was because it was close to home.. now hes across the country. REGARDLESS, congrats to both of these guys, definatly deserving.
Stefan played in the California Winter League the last couple of months in order to hopefully get noticed. It worked!
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 22, 2011, 02:16:25 PM
theoneandonly {remainder removed}
BigToughGuy: Tone it down, check the Terms of Service over what's considered appropriate posting. This is your official warning.
I'm sorry. Why is my karma -47?
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 09, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Will Savage (Webster '10) has signed with the Joliet Slammers in the independent Frontier League, and Stefan Neece (Greenville '10) has signed with the Las Cruces Vaqueros in the independent Pecos League. Congrats to both!!
That is suprising about Neece. I dont doubt the talent one bit, the guy is a pure hitter. However, and this could just be hear say, but, I heard the only reason Neece went to Greenville was because it was close to home.. now hes across the country. REGARDLESS, congrats to both of these guys, definatly deserving.
Stefan played in the California Winter League the last couple of months in order to hopefully get noticed. It worked!
Is he from this area?
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 22, 2011, 03:02:34 PM
I'm sorry. Why is my karma -47?
Whoever posted the comments on the several boards (if it was not you) was "smitten" by the readers who did not like the "trash-talking" posts.
When you get to about 200 posts, you will earn the ability to applaud or smite a poster for the post that they made. A poster can smite one person one time in a 24-hour period.
It looks like a bunch of people on the various boards really did not like those posts!
Well, when I went back through his posting history, about 4-6 of the most recent posts served solely to bash another poster. Perhaps that would be why he's not very popular among those who have made 200 or more posts.
Quote from: CCIWFAN6 on March 22, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 09, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Will Savage (Webster '10) has signed with the Joliet Slammers in the independent Frontier League, and Stefan Neece (Greenville '10) has signed with the Las Cruces Vaqueros in the independent Pecos League. Congrats to both!!
That is suprising about Neece. I dont doubt the talent one bit, the guy is a pure hitter. However, and this could just be hear say, but, I heard the only reason Neece went to Greenville was because it was close to home.. now hes across the country. REGARDLESS, congrats to both of these guys, definatly deserving.
Stefan played in the California Winter League the last couple of months in order to hopefully get noticed. It worked!
Is he from this area?
Yes sir, he is from greenville, IL.. Played ball at Greenville College
Blackburn finally picked up a couple of W's even though they were against lincoln christian. Pantherfan, any word on what the deal with greenville is?
Doooby Dooooby Dooooo!
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 24, 2011, 11:56:46 AM
Blackburn finally picked up a couple of W's even though they were against lincoln christian. Pantherfan, any word on what the deal with greenville is?
Having not seen the team yet I really can't say first hand. Judging by the boxscores so far it looks like their lack of success so far stems from a lack of offense (not much power to speak of yet), defense (24 errors and 23 unearned runs in 11 games), and pitching (58 walks and 15 hit batters in 74 innings).
Quote from: #1PantherFan on March 09, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
Will Savage (Webster '10) has signed with the Joliet Slammers in the independent Frontier League, and Stefan Neece (Greenville '10) has signed with the Las Cruces Vaqueros in the independent Pecos League. Congrats to both!!
Victor Valdez (Webster '10) has signed with the Normal Cornbelters of the Frontier League.
Which SLIAC team's homefield has the cleanest restrooms?
Based solely on record, it appears that the Greenville Panters have a heckuva squad this year.
A DH at Webster (hosting IWU) was snowed out this past weekend. On the IWU website, the games are listed as 'canceled' (not postponed). Webster is scheduled to visit Bloomington for a DH in late April. With conference slates beginning, I'm guessing that 'canceled' is correct, but if either team is on the Pool C 'bubble' such in-region games could be important. Anyone know if any attempt is being made to reschedule?
Quote from: BigToughGuy on March 30, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
Based solely on record, it appears that the Greenville Panters have a heckuva squad this year.
Greenville and Webster split a doubleheader at GCS today. In Game 1, David Mueller pitched a two-hit gem for the Gorloks as they won 8-0. Game 2 saw David Massengill return the favor for the Panthers with a one-hitter (first batter of the game doubled) as Greenville won 2-1.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 30, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
A DH at Webster (hosting IWU) was snowed out this past weekend. On the IWU website, the games are listed as 'canceled' (not postponed). Webster is scheduled to visit Bloomington for a DH in late April. With conference slates beginning, I'm guessing that 'canceled' is correct, but if either team is on the Pool C 'bubble' such in-region games could be important. Anyone know if any attempt is being made to reschedule?
The game has been rescheduled for April 28th 5pm @ IWU (DH). Should be a pretty interesting week for Webster having UMSL Monday, MacMurray Tuesday, IWU (DH)Thursday, Spalding (DH)Saturday, and Sunday.
Yatzee,
Welcome to the SLIAC board!
Bigtoughguy, lets smash the differences here, and talk some baseball.. Whats your mid season wrap up on the conference (even though its a bit past mid season)?
I had a chance to get out and watch Principia vs. Blackburn yesterday. Let me just tell you, it wasnt pretty for Blackburn. Im starting to regret making them a dark horse in the conference this year. Principia's Ball brothers destroyed blackburn yesterday. Greg Ball had a no hitter into the 7th in the first game. Prin is now eligible for the playoffs as a 3 seed (since spaulding is not currently eligible for the tournament). They played error free yesterday.
Webster seems to have a lock on the conference this season and barring an implosion in the tourney they should be back in the Regional tournament again this year. It should be interesting to see how they play against spalding the weekend of the 30th and a great preview on the top contenders in the conference, once Spalding is eligible.
As for westminster their route to the SLIAC conference tourney doesnt seem to tough other than their game against webster. In the remaining games left with conference teams, those teams have compiled a 34-63 record NOT including webster. If they play well for the rest of their season and if they take at least two out of three from prin and greenville, they will jump up to the number two seed, which i think could easily be a valid scenario...
Anybody have input?
I'm a newbie, but looking back at previous posts this BigToughGuy seems awfully hostile.
Hound Dog, Welcome to the boards! Whose your team of choice, or are you just a sliac guy in general?
I ain't nothing but a Hound Dog.
I follow the SLIAC, being a St. Louisan. Can someone tell me why I have "-1 Karma" after 2 posts (neither of which is offensive)?
Quote from: Hound Dog on April 18, 2011, 11:19:56 AM
I follow the SLIAC, being a St. Louisan. Can someone tell me why I have "-1 Karma" after 2 posts (neither of which is offensive)?
Looking over your four posts, one could be construed as slightly aggressive towards bigtoughguy, and another could be seen that way towards myself (though I did not ding your karma, I would not be surprised if "one of my followers" did... they are pretty loyal to their BigPoppa). I will give you a +K to get you back to square one:)
Thank you, Mr. Poppa. I will tone down my sarcasm in future posts.
How does the SLIAC ever address the problem of being a "joke" conference (aside from Webster performing well individually in the NCAA tournament)? Below is the strength of schedule rankings out of 370 teams along with in-region records. Is SLIAC baseball that terrible? Are teams making their schedules too easy? Unfortunately, it appears that the worst records are not a product of a tough schedule, but rather the opposite. The teams with the weakest schedules also somehow have the worst records. What gives here and will the SLIAC ever get off this merry-go-round as a conference, collectively.
Regional Record Regional Win % OWP(Rank) OOWP NCAA
140 Greenville 8-16 .333 0.534 (128) 0.504 0.524
206 Westminster (Mo.) 11-12 .478 0.516 (181) 0.483 0.505
212 Webster 17-7 .708 0.502 (209) 0.504 0.503
297 Fontbonne 11-12 .478 0.470 (274) 0.474 0.471
329 Principia 9-8 .529 0.443 (312) 0.441 0.442
336 Spalding 18-5 .783 0.408 (339) 0.492 0.436
344 Blackburn 5-15 .250 0.407 (340) 0.454 0.423
362 MacMurray 2-16 .111 0.372 (357) 0.442 0.395
364 Eureka 3-14 .176 0.354 (362) 0.458 0.389
I wonder if there is a way (without crunching all the numbers yourself) to find out the average SoS for each conference?
I'd bet the conferences that have the best SoS are the same ones getting multiple bids at selection time.
I think the secret lies in having the majority of teams in your conference with a record of .500 or better outside of conference play. That way when conference play begins and you beat up on each other, everyone stays fairly close to that .500 mark. Unfortunately, the SLIAC usually only has 2 or 3 respectable teams that pound on all of the other teams with winning percentages between .100 and .400.
Not sure that the budgets or prestige amongst SLIAC schools will every allow them to get national recognition in any sport as a whole.
Quote from: Hound Dog on April 20, 2011, 01:40:37 PM
How does the SLIAC ever address the problem of being a "joke" conference (aside from Webster performing well individually in the NCAA tournament)? Below is the strength of schedule rankings out of 370 teams along with in-region records. Is SLIAC baseball that terrible? Are teams making their schedules too easy? Unfortunately, it appears that the worst records are not a product of a tough schedule, but rather the opposite. The teams with the weakest schedules also somehow have the worst records. What gives here and will the SLIAC ever get off this merry-go-round as a conference, collectively.
Regional Record Regional Win % OWP(Rank) OOWP NCAA
140 Greenville 8-16 .333 0.534 (128) 0.504 0.524
206 Westminster (Mo.) 11-12 .478 0.516 (181) 0.483 0.505
212 Webster 17-7 .708 0.502 (209) 0.504 0.503
297 Fontbonne 11-12 .478 0.470 (274) 0.474 0.471
329 Principia 9-8 .529 0.443 (312) 0.441 0.442
336 Spalding 18-5 .783 0.408 (339) 0.492 0.436
344 Blackburn 5-15 .250 0.407 (340) 0.454 0.423
362 MacMurray 2-16 .111 0.372 (357) 0.442 0.395
364 Eureka 3-14 .176 0.354 (362) 0.458 0.389
Unfortunately for the SLIAC, it's a problem that goes far beyond baseball. The league has trouble getting traction in just about every sport in both non-conference and tournament play. To some degree it's a matter of the league not being a long-established and familiar presence when compared to its neighbors the CCIW, the MWC, and the IIAC, but the bigger problem is one of resources. SLIAC schools tend to be less well off than other midwestern D3 schools in terms of both finances and facilities, and that, in large part, is reflected in the outcomes of ballgames in most sports.
The improvement of the SLIAC on the D3 sports scene isn't going to happen overnight. It'll take years, and most likely decades, for the SLIAC to be competitive on the national scene.
With that being said, Webster's run in baseball on the national level in the past few seasons has been remarkable.
Agreed on Webster. Boy, it's awfully touchy around here. I got dinged another -1 for Karma. I guess my language was a little too "forward" regarding the strength of the SLIAC, but I think most would consider it being a realist.
I wonder if Webster has ever expolored the idea of a different conference. I can't really identify another conference that makes sense geographically, but the SLIAC seems to have them handcuffed. Webster has captured 10 of the last 11 all-sports trophies and it looks like this year will make 11 of 12. Granted they may be middle to bottom of the pack for most sports in a conference like the CCIW, but surely wouldn't be as overmatched as some of their opponents in the SLIAC are today.
Hound Dog. I do agree that the sliac has slipped significantly since th early 2000's. Since this is a baseball board, I'll stick to baseball. Blackburn, Wesminster and Greenville used to have good baseball programs as well, as did Maryville who is now D2. Now Spalding is coming into the conference and seems like they will have a great chance of competing (once eligible) in every sport. Hopefully these coaches can start getting better recruits and making dents in the records of the CCIW and IIAC, and even some out of region teams. I guess only time will tell. This year seems to be set in stone.
I don't really see any conference options for Webster aside from hoping the rest of the SLIAC gets better. CCIW teams already complain about the distance to Decatur - I can't imagine them accepting a St. Louis team! :o
Besides, IMO the CCIW is now stable and the perfect size. Any odd number of teams makes scheduling a mess. 6 is too few for an AQ. 10 or more gets very clumsy, and reduces the odds of ANY one team getting an AQ. 8 is the perfect number, and I trust the CCIW will stay that way! ;)
Quote from: Hound Dog on April 20, 2011, 05:12:40 PM
I wonder if Webster has ever expolored the idea of a different conference. I can't really identify another conference that makes sense geographically, but the SLIAC seems to have them handcuffed. Webster has captured 10 of the last 11 all-sports trophies and it looks like this year will make 11 of 12. Granted they may be middle to bottom of the pack for most sports in a conference like the CCIW, but surely wouldn't be as overmatched as some of their opponents in the SLIAC are today.
Where would the Gorloks go? As you said, no other conference makes sense for Webster geographically. The CCIW wouldn't take Webster, even if was looking to expand, because Webster's not a good fit for the CCIW in any way, shape, or form -- including competitive level -- and the MWC would consider Webster unsuitable for a number of reasons as well. The HCAC and NAthCon would be more compatible, but neither is realistic in terms of distance.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
I don't really see any conference options for Webster aside from hoping the rest of the SLIAC gets better. CCIW teams already complain about the distance to Decatur - I can't imagine them accepting a St. Louis team! :o
Besides, IMO the CCIW is now stable and the perfect size. Any odd number of teams makes scheduling a mess. 6 is too few for an AQ. 10 or more gets very clumsy, and reduces the odds of ANY one team getting an AQ. 8 is the perfect number, and I trust the CCIW will stay that way! ;)
Plus, among the million and one other reasons why Webster will never be asked to join the CCIW is the fact that the school does not have football, and football is a required sport for full CCIW membership.
Greg, I'd never noticed that Webster doesn't have football - that DOES ice it!
If the CCIW DID ever have to replace a school (hopefully replace, not expand ;)), I'd assume (for geographical reasons) it would much more likely be someone like Benedictine or Olivet Nazarene (or re-admit Carroll if they didn't burn too many bridges upon their exit :P).
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
Greg, I'd never noticed that Webster doesn't have football - that DOES ice it!
If the CCIW DID ever have to replace a school (hopefully replace, not expand ;)), I'd assume (for geographical reasons) it would much more likely be someone like Benedictine or Olivet Nazarene (or re-admit Carroll if they didn't burn too many bridges upon their exit :P).
It wouldn't be Benedictine, which will be vetoed by North Central every time it applies for CCIW membership from now until Judgment Day. Olivet Nazarene would pose too much of a hassle, now that the pipeline into D3 has narrowed so much, and ONU shows no signs of being restless within the NAIA, anyway. If it did switch over to the NCAA, it'd be much more likely to go D2 and keep its scholies, IMHO.
Carroll would be the best bet of the three, even though the three downstate schools would have misgivings about adding another Wisconsin school. But if the CCIW had to add a school, my guess is that Aurora would be at the front of the line.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 20, 2011, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
Greg, I'd never noticed that Webster doesn't have football - that DOES ice it!
If the CCIW DID ever have to replace a school (hopefully replace, not expand ;)), I'd assume (for geographical reasons) it would much more likely be someone like Benedictine or Olivet Nazarene (or re-admit Carroll if they didn't burn too many bridges upon their exit :P).
It wouldn't be Benedictine, which will be vetoed by North Central every time it applies for CCIW membership from now until Judgment Day. Olivet Nazarene would pose too much of a hassle, now that the pipeline into D3 has narrowed so much, and ONU shows no signs of being restless within the NAIA, anyway. If it did switch over to the NCAA, it'd be much more likely to go D2 and keep its scholies, IMHO.
Carroll would be the best bet of the three, even though the three downstate schools would have misgivings about adding another Wisconsin school. But if the CCIW had to add a school, my guess is that Aurora would be at the front of the line.
Forgot about Aurora. I have no idea as to their academic credentials, but they would seem a good fit otherwise. Not that I'm expecting any turnover any time soon. ;)
Webster seems to be dominant in many of the sports over the years, with baseball having the most success. After looking at results over the past five years (i didnt look too hard), I think they are the only team to not only go far in a regional but to win a regional game...but is that their fault that they have been dominant.
I would assume that if you would put them in the CCIW with the same resources and prestige, they could be just as successful as the IWU's and Carthages eventually. They could aso recruit out of Chicago as opposed to St. Louis which I would think everyone would agree there is not as much talent (right? I really have no idea on that one)
I know the top teams in the SLIAC (for baseball at least) get a lot of grief since they play a "easy" schedule. But it's not their fault that other schools are not going and getting the players they need to win. Maybe the top teams in the SLIAC are good, but its true that they dont get challenged at times so how do you prove that?
Does anyone know what Webster's record vs. CCIW teams is over the past 5 years?
Also do you think the top teams in the SLIAC could compete in the CCIW?
Dont take this the wrong way guys.. I may get knocked down on +K anyway but when did this become an all hail CCIW board and not a SLIAC board. I know everyone is talking about Webster but it seems like everyone is just saying they cant compete with the CCIW and they wouldnt fit in the CCIW and CCIW and CCIW and CCIW.. i mean yes, the CCIW is definatly the powerhouse in the Central region, i cant take that away from them, nor would I. but come on, cut the sliac some slack here! Also, Olivet Nazareen would, like stated above probably go D2 to retain scholorship athletes.
Quote from: metaljacket on April 21, 2011, 12:01:11 AM
Webster seems to be dominant in many of the sports over the years, with baseball having the most success. After looking at results over the past five years (i didnt look too hard), I think they are the only team to not only go far in a regional but to win a regional game...but is that their fault that they have been dominant.
I would assume that if you would put them in the CCIW with the same resources and prestige, they could be just as successful as the IWU's and Carthages eventually. They could aso recruit out of Chicago as opposed to St. Louis which I would think everyone would agree there is not as much talent (right? I really have no idea on that one)
I know the top teams in the SLIAC (for baseball at least) get a lot of grief since they play a "easy" schedule. But it's not their fault that other schools are not going and getting the players they need to win. Maybe the top teams in the SLIAC are good, but its true that they dont get challenged at times so how do you prove that?
Does anyone know what Webster's record vs. CCIW teams is over the past 5 years?
Also do you think the top teams in the SLIAC could compete in the CCIW?
Webster vs CCIW in last five seasons:
2011 0-0
2010 2-1 Beat NPU twice, lost to IWU
2009 0-0
2008 3-1 Split with Millikin, beat Augie and IWU in NCAA regional
2007 4-2 Beat NCC three times, IWU once, lost to IWU and Carthage in NCAA regional
Total: 9-4 vs CCIW since 2007 and 2-2 in NCAA regionals (As a whole, that is a solid record vs the CCIW)
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 21, 2011, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: metaljacket on April 21, 2011, 12:01:11 AM
Webster seems to be dominant in many of the sports over the years, with baseball having the most success. After looking at results over the past five years (i didnt look too hard), I think they are the only team to not only go far in a regional but to win a regional game...but is that their fault that they have been dominant.
I would assume that if you would put them in the CCIW with the same resources and prestige, they could be just as successful as the IWU's and Carthages eventually. They could aso recruit out of Chicago as opposed to St. Louis which I would think everyone would agree there is not as much talent (right? I really have no idea on that one)
I know the top teams in the SLIAC (for baseball at least) get a lot of grief since they play a "easy" schedule. But it's not their fault that other schools are not going and getting the players they need to win. Maybe the top teams in the SLIAC are good, but its true that they dont get challenged at times so how do you prove that?
Does anyone know what Webster's record vs. CCIW teams is over the past 5 years?
Also do you think the top teams in the SLIAC could compete in the CCIW?
Webster vs CCIW in last five seasons:
2011 0-0
2010 2-1 Beat NPU twice, lost to IWU
2009 0-0
2008 3-1 Split with Millikin, beat Augie and IWU in NCAA regional
2007 4-2 Beat NCC three times, IWU once, lost to IWU and Carthage in NCAA regional
Total: 9-4 vs CCIW since 2007 and 2-2 in NCAA regionals (As a whole, that is a solid record vs the CCIW)
In 2007, Webster actually lost to Carthage and Augie. That is the year IWU went 2 and out on their home turf ( 1 of several poor regional showings that they washed away with their magical run last year)
Since I kind of led us off on this tangent, let me clarify that I do not believe the CCIW would be a fit for Webster on several different levels. The only part that does fit is the recent success of many of their athletic teams. Facilities, academics, monetary endowments, etc. are all in contrast to most of the CCIW members.
The purpose of my original thread was intended to address the lack of competitive balance in the SLIAC and see if anyone had any theories on how this could eventually change. 10 years is a long time to be as dominant as Webster's athletics have been and it would be refreshing to see several different quality schools battle it out annually "like" the CCIW has.
For comparison purposes, the balance in the SLIAC seems like the American League East of the late 90's to early 2000's with the Yankees being completely dominant, where as I'd like to see the American League East 2006 through Present Day where 3 different teams have won the division and no team has repeated as division champs.
Other SLIAC schools just need to raise the bar of expectations for their baseball programs. I find it hard to believe that there are not more quality baseball players in a great baseball town like St. Louis. Those kids are going somewhere... why not SLIAC schools. Heck... if Whitewater can convince kids to spend four years in THAT town, how hard can it be to get kids to SLIAC schools?
BigPoppa, Have you ever been to Carlinville (Blackburn College) Eureka (Eureka College), Greenville (Greenville College).. There isint much to look at in/around or do in those "college towns"
Not to mention the cost of attending SLIAC schools as opposed to a state school such as Wisc-Whitewater.
Quote from: Hound Dog on April 21, 2011, 01:15:13 PM
The purpose of my original thread was intended to address the lack of competitive balance in the SLIAC and see if anyone had any theories on how this could eventually change. 10 years is a long time to be as dominant as Webster's athletics have been and it would be refreshing to see several different quality schools battle it out annually "like" the CCIW has.
Why is Webster so dominant and how can the SLIAC change???
SLIAC schools need to make their coaches full time, period! Now I could be totally off on this because I only talked to one coach in the SLIAC but she explained that many schools have part time coaches. Teams cannot compete recruiting wise with part time coaches.
Any schools in the CCIW with primary part time coaches?
Quote from: theoneandonly on April 21, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
Dont take this the wrong way guys.. I may get knocked down on +K anyway but when did this become an all hail CCIW board and not a SLIAC board.
Not our fault. Blame that on your boy Hound Dog:
Quote from: Hound Dog on April 20, 2011, 05:12:40 PMGranted they may be middle to bottom of the pack for most sports in a conference like the CCIW, but surely wouldn't be as overmatched as some of their opponents in the SLIAC are today.
Moving on ...
Quote from: metaljacket on April 21, 2011, 12:01:11 AMI would assume that if you would put them in the CCIW with the same resources and prestige, they could be just as successful as the IWU's and Carthages eventually.
That's a dangerous assumption. For all its resources (it's the wealthiest school in the CCIW) and all its athletic prowess across the board, Wheaton has struggled mightily in baseball for decades. Wheaton hasn't won a CCIW baseball title since 1951, and it didn't qualify for the conference tourney (in which only the top half of the league participates) from the tourney's inception in 1985 until 2008. If Wheaton, for all its muscle within the CCIW, couldn't make any headway in the league, there's certainly no great odds that Webster would be able to do so.
Quote from: metaljacket on April 21, 2011, 11:55:01 PM
Quote from: Hound Dog on April 21, 2011, 01:15:13 PM
The purpose of my original thread was intended to address the lack of competitive balance in the SLIAC and see if anyone had any theories on how this could eventually change. 10 years is a long time to be as dominant as Webster's athletics have been and it would be refreshing to see several different quality schools battle it out annually "like" the CCIW has.
Why is Webster so dominant and how can the SLIAC change???
SLIAC schools need to make their coaches full time, period! Now I could be totally off on this because I only talked to one coach in the SLIAC but she explained that many schools have part time coaches. Teams cannot compete recruiting wise with part time coaches.
Any schools in the CCIW with primary part time coaches?
No. There may be CCIW baseball coaches who have other responsibilities (e.g., assistant AD, golf coach, etc.), but they are all primarily on campus to coach the baseball team, and that is the task that consumes the vast majority of their work hours, if not all of them. And they're all full-time employees of their respective schools.
I didn't realize that there were SLIAC schools who didn't have full-time baseball coaches. Yeah, that is a humongous hurdle to overcome in terms of building a regionally-respectable program.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 22, 2011, 04:03:54 PM
That's a dangerous assumption. For all its resources (it's the wealthiest school in the CCIW) and all its athletic prowess across the board, Wheaton has struggled mightily in baseball for decades. Wheaton hasn't won a CCIW baseball title since 1951, and it didn't qualify for the conference tourney (in which only the top half of the league participates) from the tourney's inception in 1985 until 2008. If Wheaton, for all its muscle within the CCIW, couldn't make any headway in the league, there's certainly no great odds that Webster would be able to do so.
The purpose of my original thread was intended to address the lack of competitive balance in the SLIAC and see if anyone had any theories on how this could eventually change. 10 years is a long time to be as dominant as Webster's athletics have been and it would be refreshing to see several different quality schools battle it out annually "like" the CCIW has.
I didn't realize that there were SLIAC schools who didn't have full-time baseball coaches. Yeah, that is a humongous hurdle to overcome in terms of building a regionally-respectable program.
All my credibility is about to go out the window here....
Again I have only talked to one coach in the SLIAC about their coaches and she didnt specify by sport but did mention she thought many schools were employing part time coaches. I have no idea about baseball specifically.
Here is where my credibility will be tarnished...I have never seen Webster play, ever, I have seen just about every other team at some point, but after reading these boards, looking at their history (the past 6 years), and seeing their record vs. CCIW teams over that time, is it fair to assume that they would make the CCIW tournament this year? Would that be a possibility? If so, then I have to respectively disagree with comparing Webster with Wheaton. If they could make the tournament (Im saying could, not would) then they dont have to "work their way into winning in the league" they are already there. And they would be doing it by recruiting to the SLIAC. If they could recruit to the CCIW, wouldnt they be even better?
Again, I havent even seen this team play just seems after reading what you all have to say about them that they would be competitive.
Well gentlemen, the weekend is here... We will see exactly how Spalding and Webster match up and if Spalding is preying on the weak OR can play with the big dog in the conference. Spalding goes into this weekend with a 13-0 SLIAC record and Webster with a 14-2 record.
Final Spalding vs Webster scores:
game 1: Spalding 3 Webster 2
game 2: Webster 4 Spalding 1
game 3: Webster 6 Spalding 2
Spalding 14-2 (Conference) 22-9 (Overall)
Webster 16-3 (Conference) 23-11 (Overall)
Apparently all the games were well played and very close. Box scores show that the games were within one run for almost the whole series until the final inning(s). Looks like a great series amongst two very good and competitive teams. Wish they could face off again in the tournament. I think either of these two would be a great representative of the SLIAC in the regional tournament.
The standings show Spalding is leading the conference by one game. They have 8 more games to play, if they go 7-1 in those games they are guaranteed a share of the conference title. If they win all 8 they win the title all by themselves. (This is assuming that Webster doesnt lose again)
Should be interesting to see if they can overtake the SLIAC giant in Webster.
Congrats to both teams
Eureka won both games vs. Spalding today 3-2 and 9-8. If Webster can win both games vs. MacMurray on Thursday and sweep the 3 game series this weekend vs. Fontbonne then Webster will be SLIAC regular season champions.
Webster 16-3 (Conference)
Spalding 14-4 (Conference)
wow, didnt see that one coming, but a couple of huge games for eureka.
Very surprising. You can't help but think that Spalding relaxed mentally after taking 1 of 3 from Webster...thinking the conference title was theirs. Should be an exciting final weekend. Not sure what MacMurry can do to stop Webster, but I'd expect Fontbonne to give them a good fight this weekend.
Just reviewing my preview of the SLIAC from earlier this year. I nailed Spalding as a potential rival for Webster, but after that, it was a hard conference to predict.
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC): Can they keep up this pace? The Webster Gorloks have destroyed the rest of the conference by amassing an 80-9 conference record since 2007 and gaining four of the past five NCAA bids. The 2011 season will force them to replace one of the most decorated SLIAC pitchers in recent history as all-American Will Savage graduated and moved on to professional baseball. If the Gorloks are to continue their success, they need to find some arms to fill the massive hole left by Savage... but they may have to look no further than junior pitcher David Mueller (8-1, 2.08 ERA) who served at Webster's #2 last year. How he handles the role of staff ace will determine their season. Sophomore Cody Stephenson(.360, 27 SB) returns to lead the offense. One potential rival is second- year member Spalding, led by the all-conference arm of Jake Wardrip (5-4, 55K). They return two sophomores in P Frank Carter and DH Zane Wheatley who were both given second-team accolades in 2010. Greenville made quite a run in 2010, but gone are both conference Player of the Year, Stefan Neece and Pitcher of the Year, Matt Leefers. Greenville will lean heavily on sophomore utility man Kyle Winter (.310, 29 R) to spark an offense that may have lost more than it can handle this year. The SLIAC will most likely be a one bid conference when they NCAA comes calling in May so just getting into the post-season conference tournament gives anyone a fighting chance (see Greenville in 2009 who knocked off a 24-0 Webster squad). Where a team finishes in this conference is not nearly as important as how they finish, provided they can make it into the top four.
Webster ended to regular season strong with 3 wins (9-7, 9-2, 8-7) vs. Fontbonne to clinch the regular season championship all to themselves. Which makes the 5th straight SLIAC championship.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 09, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
Just reviewing my preview of the SLIAC from earlier this year. I nailed Spalding as a potential rival for Webster, but after that, it was a hard conference to predict.
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC): Can they keep up this pace? The Webster Gorloks have destroyed the rest of the conference by amassing an 80-9 conference record since 2007 and gaining four of the past five NCAA bids. The 2011 season will force them to replace one of the most decorated SLIAC pitchers in recent history as all-American Will Savage graduated and moved on to professional baseball. If the Gorloks are to continue their success, they need to find some arms to fill the massive hole left by Savage... but they may have to look no further than junior pitcher David Mueller (8-1, 2.08 ERA) who served at Webster's #2 last year. How he handles the role of staff ace will determine their season. Sophomore Cody Stephenson(.360, 27 SB) returns to lead the offense. One potential rival is second- year member Spalding, led by the all-conference arm of Jake Wardrip (5-4, 55K). They return two sophomores in P Frank Carter and DH Zane Wheatley who were both given second-team accolades in 2010. Greenville made quite a run in 2010, but gone are both conference Player of the Year, Stefan Neece and Pitcher of the Year, Matt Leefers. Greenville will lean heavily on sophomore utility man Kyle Winter (.310, 29 R) to spark an offense that may have lost more than it can handle this year. The SLIAC will most likely be a one bid conference when they NCAA comes calling in May so just getting into the post-season conference tournament gives anyone a fighting chance (see Greenville in 2009 who knocked off a 24-0 Webster squad). Where a team finishes in this conference is not nearly as important as how they finish, provided they can make it into the top four.
FYI...in 2009 Webster never lost to Greenville. In fact, Greenville is the only win that Webster had in the conference tourney. They lost to Fontbonne(eventual winner) and Maryville.
Very little interest in the SLIAC this year, huh? Looks like the SLIAC tournament finished up last night with no suprises. Webster took home the pool A bid.
Webster will take on top seeded Christopher Newport May 18th at noon. Christopher Newport will be a challenge at 39-5 and ranked #1in the ABCA Coaches Poll and #2 in the D3.Com Poll.
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection)
Spalding rolling in the NSCAA World Series.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection)
Spalding rolling in the NSCAA World Series.
I don't know about "rolling". I believe they are in the losers bracket. However, the perfect game is pretty impressive stuff.
Also, it's the USCAA World Series.
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection)
Spalding rolling in the NSCAA World Series.
I don't know about "rolling". I believe they are in the losers bracket. However, the perfect game is pretty impressive stuff.
Also, it's the USCAA World Series.
USCAA or not, how are the rest of the SLIAC teams (minus Webster) playing this week?
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 17, 2011, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: Hound Dog on May 17, 2011, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 16, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2011/05/spalding-perfection)
Spalding rolling in the NSCAA World Series.
I don't know about "rolling". I believe they are in the losers bracket. However, the perfect game is pretty impressive stuff.
Also, it's the USCAA World Series.
USCAA or not, how are the rest of the SLIAC teams (minus Webster) playing this week?
They are all sitting at home. However, my post wasn't intended to downgrade the competition in the "USCAA". You called it the NSCAA which is why I clarified that it's the USCAA World Series.
Quote from: BigPoppa on May 17, 2011, 09:55:03 AM
Also, it's the USCAA World Series.
USCAA or not, how are the rest of the SLIAC teams (minus Webster) playing this week?
The USCAA is quite an eclectic collection of teams (http://www.theuscaa.com/sports/bsb/teams-baseb.htm), including teams in the NAIA and some community colleges (the team that Spalding beat was Southern Maine Community College).
The Gorlocks are beating CNU 6-0 in the fifth inning in the South Regional. Go Loks!!
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 18, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
The Gorlocks are beating CNU 6-0 in the fifth inning in the South Regional. Go Loks!!
Schneider is also perfect through 5
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2011, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 18, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
The Gorlocks are beating CNU 6-0 in the fifth inning in the South Regional. Go Loks!!
Schneider is also perfect through 5
I didn't want to mention that...yet.
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 18, 2011, 02:28:07 PM
Quote from: OshDude on May 18, 2011, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: #1PantherFan on May 18, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
The Gorlocks are beating CNU 6-0 in the fifth inning in the South Regional. Go Loks!!
Schneider is also perfect through 5
I didn't want to mention that...yet.
You can blame me for the flare but not the rocket up the middle. Sorry about that.
Spalding finished up 4th at the USCAA World Series. Their overall record was 30-13...not bad for a program that won a combined 19 games in 08 & 09.
Also is their roster right when it says they only have 2 seniors, by stats only one of which is a difference maker?
If that is true, they could be a team to watch for again next year.
Webster is pounding CNU right now. 8-0 in 7th.
Webster 11 Christopher Newport 1
Way to go Gorloks!!
Congrats Webster! Making some real noise in the South.......go "Central."
Harrigan Named Westminster (Mo.) Head Baseball Coach Fulton, Mo. – Luke Harrigan has been named head baseball coach at Westminster College. Harrigan, who is the sixth head coach since Westminster joined the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC), officially begins his responsibilities on campus August 1.
Harrigan received his undergraduate degree in health and physical education from Adrian College in 2005 and is currently completing his graduate degree from the United States Sports Academy. He is currently the head assistant baseball coach and recruiting coordinator at Adrian and has additional experience working as a baseball instructor in Germany, a volunteer assistant at Bowling Green State University and an assistant at Franklin College. Adrian went 31-11 this past season , won its third consecutive Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association title and advanced to the NCAA tournament.
Harrigan takes over a Westminster program that went 18-21 this past season, tied for fourth in the SLIAC at 13-11 and went 0-2 in the conference tournament.
Courtesy Westminster College (Mo.) sports information
Three SLIAC Baseball Players Named to Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region Team ST. LOUIS - Three St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC) baseball players have been named to the 2011 Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region Team. Westminster College's Andrew Jett was a second team selection, while Webster University's Anthony Genna and David Mueller were named to the second team and third team respectively.
Jett, a first baseman, led the Blue Jays this season in hitting (.382), runs scored (36), hits (42), doubles (13), home runs (6), RBI (36), slugging percentage (.682), walks (36) and putouts (310). In addition to being a first team All-SLIAC selection, he has ranked in the top 20 nationally in three categories - base on balls per game, total base on balls and on-base percentage.
Genna, a first team All-SLIAC honoree at shortstop and the 2011 SLIAC Player of the Year, led the Gorloks in 10 categories. He was the leader in batting average (.361), slugging percentage (.595), on-base percentage (.445), runs scored (46), hits (57), RBI (50), home runs (7), total bases (94), walks (24) and sacrifice flies (5).
Mueller started 12 games for Webster and posted a 6-3 overall record and a 3.66 earned run average. He struck out 64 batters in 71.0 innings of work, recorded three complete games and one shutout. Mueller was also named second team All-SLIAC.
Courtesy Webster University & Westminster College (Mo.) sports information
Webster's Genna Named to D3Baseball.com All-American Team ST. LOUIS - Webster University shortstop Anthony Genna, a graduating senior from Lyons Township HS in Illinois, has been named to the D3baseball.com 2011 All-American Team as an Honorable Mention choice. This honor follows Genna being voted to the 2011 Rawlings/ABCA All-Central Region Team, and being selected as the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference 2011 Player of the Year.
Genna, who played for two seasons at Lincoln College (IL) before transferring to Webster, hit .367, with seven home runs and 51 RBIs for the 2010-11 season. He also scored 46 runs and racked up 24 stolen bases.
Genna's career .368 batting average places him fourth on Webster's all-time high list. In addition, his 51 RBIs places him fifth on the Webster all-time single season list, and the 24 stolen bases places him fifth in that category as well.
Courtesy Webster University sports information
Alex Ferguson Named Head Baseball Coach at Principia ELSAH, Ill. - Principia College Athletic Director Lee Ellis announced today that Alex Ferguson will be the Gold and Blue's new head baseball coach. Ferguson is a Principia alum and brings a wealth of experience to his post.
Ferguson (US 98, C03) most recently has been head baseball coach at Presentation College in Aberdeen, South Dakota, for the past four seasons. His teams over the last two years have finished in the top three of the UMAC Conference. Ferguson holds a master's in sport management from Northern State University. He has coached with the Tom Urquhart Baseball School, Northern State, the Aberdeen Smitty's (the 2005 South Dakota HS State Champions and American Legion Runner-up), Mac-N-Seitz Baseball and the Santa Barbara Foresters, in various capacities.
Ferguson played baseball for former coach Bill Marston at the Principia School, and current School head coach, Larry Frank while at the college. "There are few people I have met more passionate about the game or harder working than Alex. He brings energy, experience and a work ethic I think our student-athletes will appreciate and hopefully emulate."
Courtesy Principia College sports information
I did not realize that Pete Paciorek was not coming back.
Eureka joins Westminster, MacMurray, & Principia in naming a new head coach during this off-season in the SLIAC.
http://www.sliac.org/sports/bsb/2011-12/releases/eureka_clark_090211
Whose ready for the 2012 baseball season!?! any updates on guys that are coming into the SLIAC this season?
Interesting start to the season already in the SLIAC with spalding at 5-0 and Webster is 0-3 after a rough weekend in Arkansas.
Webster ends the weekend with a 4 game sweep in the Cavallo Classic beating Grinnell College 4-1, 4-0 and Millikin University 13-1, 10-2. Webster is now 4-3 heading into their spring break trip to Florida.
It looks to me like webster beat up on the bad teams and didnt fair so well against the better teams. However its tough for teams out of the St. Louis area to get outside and on the field before spring break, even with this freak of a winter. Spaulding is playing some good ball. Prin beat up a bad team and well.
Yes the teams Webster played last weekend were not as good as the Hendrix team they played in Arkansas. However, (not using this as an excuse for them just stating a fact) it is much harder to beat a good team that has already played 9 games on your opening weekend. It looks like in the first two games at Hendrix Webster had them beat, but had one bad inning and couldn't recuperate from it. That being said, I feel if they played Hendrix again down they road Webster would win at least 70% of the time. Webster's spring break trip outcome will show us if Webster will be a good team this year since it looks like they will be playing some good competition.
Quote from: theoneandonly on March 07, 2012, 11:29:48 AM
It looks to me like webster beat up on the bad teams and didnt fair so well against the better teams. However its tough for teams out of the St. Louis area to get outside and on the field before spring break, even with this freak of a winter. Spaulding is playing some good ball. Prin beat up a bad team and well.
From my preview of the SLIAC last year:
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC): Can they keep up this pace? The Webster Gorloks have destroyed the rest of the conference by amassing an 80-9 conference record since 2007 and gaining four of the past five NCAA bids. The 2011 season will force them to replace one of the most decorated SLIAC pitchers in recent history as all-American Will Savage graduated and moved on to professional baseball. If the Gorloks are to continue their success, they need to find some arms to fill the massive hole left by Savage... but they may have to look no further than junior pitcher David Mueller (8-1, 2.08 ERA) who served at Webster's #2 last year. How he handles the role of staff ace will determine their season. Sophomore Cody Stephenson(.360, 27 SB) returns to lead the offense. One potential rival is second- year member Spalding, led by the all-conference arm of Jake Wardrip (5-4, 55K). They return two sophomores in P Frank Carter and DH Zane Wheatley who were both given second-team accolades in 2010. Greenville made quite a run in 2010, but gone are both conference Player of the Year, Stefan Neece and Pitcher of the Year, Matt Leefers. Greenville will lean heavily on sophomore utility man Kyle Winter (.310, 29 R) to spark an offense that may have lost more than it can handle this year. The SLIAC will most likely be a one bid conference when they NCAA comes calling in May so just getting into the post-season conference tournament gives anyone a fighting chance (see Greenville in 2009 who knocked off a 24-0 Webster squad). Where a team finishes in this conference is not nearly as important as how they finish, provided they can make it into the top four.I like Spaulding... I was high on them last year, but I may have been a year early. They could give Webster a run for the title this year.
BigPoppa, first of all hello again, it sure was a LONG offseason! I agree with you and remember you making these statements. and Yatzee, I completely agree with you as well. Only judging from the boxscores of course it looks like webster had them beat. The 8 run 6th inning helps for sure. Hendrix to my knowledge is still a fairly new program (10 years or so) I have had the opportunity to travel there a few times and they have a decent facility as well. Back to the product they put on the field, they seem to compete every year, but yes the 9 game head start definatly helps. They have also upset UT-Tyler this year who was ranked 23rd at the time. That being said they have always been known for being a team that battles back. Also, in 2009 their schedule the second most difficult in the country and that season they set a school record for wins in a season which is pretty impressive.
Spalding has definitely stepped up their game. If I remember correctly they had the SLIAC conference title won by 1 game after going 1-2 vs. Webster last year but dropped some key match-ups in their final few conference games to hand the title back to Webster. The Spalding vs. Webster series this year will definitely be one to go watch.
Webster ended up going 3-3 in the spring break trip. Pitching seems to be the only thing keeping them in games right now. Hitting hasn't come around yet from what I can tell from the games they lost in Florida (1-0, 4-1, 2-1). Having lost 6 games with a sub 3 ERA, looks like the pitchers will have to start throwing shutouts until the hitting starts getting better if they want to win. Webster has 2 tough match-ups this week playing Washington University tomorrow and Illinois State University on Sunday.
I saw the Webster/Wash U game on Wednesday. Learned from one Webster rehabbing pitcher that there are three others on the pitching staff who had surgery in the fall. I didn't ask, but I doubt any of the 4 of them will be playing this season. Also, in that game Webster's shortstop and 3rd baseman both got hit in the face by really hard grounders that took bad hops. Both guys had to come out of the game. Not sure of the extent of the injuries. I know they were bad, though hopefully not season ending. Webster's batters had a reasonably good day as did Wash U's. The game was winnable for Webster if the starting pitcher hadn't had a dreadful first inning, the aforementioned bad hops hadn't happened, and there hadn't been one bad throw that allowed two runs to score. But, hey, that's baseball.
Websters shortstop started all 3 games today vs Principia and the third baseman was the starting pitcher in game 3. Webster won 17-0, 9-5, 15-10. Webster is 10-7 on the season 3-0 conference.
Fontbonne and Maryville were on Deadspin today (http://deadspin.com/5897564/glory-days-i-missed-my-chance-to-win-the-conference-title-because-our-third+base-coach-got-greedy) for a recounting of the 2009 SLIAC championship.
Spalding posts another SLIAC loss to Westminster. Spalding 6-2 Webster 7-0
Lubbock in your rear view mirror. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/entire-national-championship-chess-team-bolts-for-new-university?urn=top%2Cwp394)
Texas Tech's World Champion Chess Team is getting full scholarships by transferring to Webster.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2012, 06:52:58 PM
Lubbock in your rear view mirror. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/entire-national-championship-chess-team-bolts-for-new-university?urn=top%2Cwp394)
Texas Tech's World Champion Chess Team is getting full scholarships by transferring to Webster.
I saw this over the weekend. Do they have to sit a year because of the transfer? :)
Quote from: BigPoppa on April 10, 2012, 10:15:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2012, 06:52:58 PM
Lubbock in your rear view mirror. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/entire-national-championship-chess-team-bolts-for-new-university?urn=top%2Cwp394)
Texas Tech's World Champion Chess Team is getting full scholarships by transferring to Webster.
I saw this over the weekend. Do they have to sit a year because of the transfer? :)
From the article: "Unlike athletes who play college activities governed by the NCAA, chess players can transfer without sitting out for a year."
This page was kind of depressing this season... not much chatter on here :-\
Congratulations to Webster! What a performance!
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 20, 2012, 01:17:55 AM
Congratulations to Webster! What a performance!
Ditto!
A 1-run loss to a well-respected Wheaton MA team and now eliminating Kean on Day #2..
You have made a statement in this tournament.
That was a crazy finish. I felt bad for the catcher but the team made quite a comeback.
Taylor Stoulp was clutch for Webster in the Regional and was again today. Anything can happen in baseball, and a lot of "anythings" happened in that game today. I'm so happy for the Gorlok players and coaches.
This quote:
"Then there is Webster. The school with the coolest nickname in the field — Gorloks — didn't field a team until 1987 and didn't record a winning season until 2004. In one stretch during the mid-1990s, they lost 144 of 158 games. But now they're here for the first time, under coach Bill Kurich, who led his team to four NCAA appearances in fives seasons before breaking through this year."
comes from this article http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20120524/APC0206/305240126/NCAA-Division-III-Baseball-Championship-field-chock-full-stories?odyssey=tab in the Appleton Post Crescent.
Congratulations to the Gorloks on a record-breaking season!!
Not content with simply being the first-ever SLIAC team in the World Series, they gave #9 Wheaton (MA) all they could handle, eliminated #8 Kean, then shocked #1 Marietta with a 7-run 4th, before falling 12-7.
Naturally, I would have preferred that IWU make it to Appleton, but if they couldn't get it done I'm glad it was Webster. I can't give a blanket promise I'll root for you in the future (IWU and Webster have a habit of ending up in the same regional ;)), but best wishes against any team not named Titans! ;D
Congrats to Webster's Kevin Kojs, World Series All-Tournament team: http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/2012/all-tournament/kevin-kojs-webster
The Webster University Gorloks finish up ranked #7 nationally in the 2012 postseason poll. Congrats on a phenomenal season and for making it farther than i'm guessing almost everyone expected. Can't wait to follow the team next year and hope you all have an even better season than this year.
I didn't realize that Webster's Taylor Stoulp also made the All Tournament team, but did not have his own "page" among that group because the Marietta shortstop was tourney MVP. As it was explained to me "That is because on our version we put only one shortstop. Taylor had a great series and his exclusion from our list (in favor of another shortstop - Tim Saunders) is no reflection on his accomplishment."
Congrats to Taylor, too, and to the Gorloks for their great season.
This is great: http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2012/6/7/BB_0607123654.aspx
Perhaps this is worthy of d3baseball.com's "What We're Reading" section: http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2012/7/12/BB_0712124819.aspx.
Webster University coming in ranked #9 in the Preseason Poll with 2 teams beaten last year ranked ahead of them. #7 Kean (World Series game 2: 8-7) and #4 Birmingham Southern (Central Regional Semi-Final: 6-1, Central Regional Championship: 3-2)
Looks like they have a tough first part of the season:
#1 Wheaton
#3 SUNY Cortland
#5 Marietta
#14 St. Joseph, ME
Receiving Votes: Washington University, North Park University, and Rhodes University
http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2012/12/21/BB_1221122537.aspx
Quote from: Yatzee on December 24, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
Webster University coming in ranked #9 in the Preseason Poll with 2 teams beaten last year ranked ahead of them. #7 Kean (World Series game 2: 8-7) and #4 Birmingham Southern (Central Regional Semi-Final: 6-1, Central Regional Championship: 3-2)
Looks like they have a tough first part of the season:
#1 Wheaton
#3 SUNY Cortland
#5 Marietta
#14 St. Joseph, ME
Receiving Votes: Washington University, North Park University, and Rhodes University
http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2012/12/21/BB_1221122537.aspx
Webster always plays a strong early season schedule. A number of good players graduated, including the best pitcher. But there are two or three pitchers who were hurt last year and didn't throw a pitch all season that if they are healed and good to go can make the pitching staff just as good as last season.
What is the word on Spadling this season? Are they going to make a run at Webster? I think the SLIAC would benefit from another strong team to make it more visible on the national scene.
I highly doubt that Spalding will make a run at Webster this year. After the run they had last year at the National level and the progress the team has had over the past years, I don't see any SLIAC team giving them a run for first place in a while, if ever. If I had to make a prediction I think that Spalding will finish 3rd in SLIAC behind Webster and Greenville. Greenville had a very decent squad last year and only lost 2 players if I'm not mistaken. Spalding had a very good year last year also, with being the top seed in their USCAA World Series and winning it, but they graduated quite a few of their dominate players. I, however, do not know what kind of recruiting class either school has brought in so this is all my opinion.
Quote from: Yatzee on December 24, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
Webster University coming in ranked #9 in the Preseason Poll with 2 teams beaten last year ranked ahead of them. #7 Kean (World Series game 2: 8-7) and #4 Birmingham Southern (Central Regional Semi-Final: 6-1, Central Regional Championship: 3-2)
Looks like they have a tough first part of the season:
#1 Wheaton
#3 SUNY Cortland
#5 Marietta
#14 St. Joseph, ME
Receiving Votes: Washington University, North Park University, and Rhodes University
http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2012/12/21/BB_1221122537.aspx
All of the above games have been played. Webster loses to Wash U, North Park, and SUNY-Cortland and gets wins over Rhodes (2), Wheaton, Marietta, and St. Joseph.
Watching what Kurich has done with this team since he arrived has been amazing. Back to back World Series and from the way it currently looks, they should be making a third appearance.
Go Gorloks!
Quote from: depew24 on April 28, 2014, 01:28:42 PM
Watching what Kurich has done with this team since he arrived has been amazing. Back to back World Series and from the way it currently looks, they should be making a third appearance.
Go Gorloks!
You never know about these things. They just lost 4-2 to Wash U today. Waiting for a box score.
Box score doesn't show everything... St. Louis region had severe weather systems all day... Winds howling in at high speeds... yes both teams have to hit in the same conditions... I saw 3 Webster balls crushed that normally would have left yard today become adventurous outs in the outfield --- no balls were hit like that from WashU... In the end, WashU made the most of their big scoring opportunity and won the game... but the box score doesn't predict the better team.
Webster has deep pitching to go along with strong hitting. They are well positioned to do will this tournament season... We will see...
Quote from: Cubbieboy on April 29, 2014, 12:34:51 AM
Box score doesn't show everything... St. Louis region had severe weather systems all day... Winds howling in at high speeds... yes both teams have to hit in the same conditions... I saw 3 Webster balls crushed that normally would have left yard today become adventurous outs in the outfield --- no balls were hit like that from WashU... In the end, WashU made the most of their big scoring opportunity and won the game... but the box score doesn't predict the better team.
Webster has deep pitching to go along with strong hitting. They are well positioned to do will this tournament season... We will see...
Thanks for that observation. You now have positive karma.
Webster beats Westminster 2-1 in 19 innings: (scoreless game through 12 innings --- both plated a run in the 13th) --- 4.5 hour game -
"Let's play 2 (and then one more inning)!"
May 8-10, 2014
Glik Park (Highland, Ill.)
Participating Teams
Fontbonne University
Greenville College
Spalding University
Webster University
Schedule/Results
Thursday, May 8
Game 1 - #2 Spalding vs. #3 Greenville, 2 p.m.
Game 2 - #1 Webster vs. #4 Fontbonne, 5 p.m.
Game 3 - Loser of Game 1 vs. Loser of Game 2, 8 p.m.
Friday, May 9
Game 4 - Winner of Game 1 vs. Winner of Game 2, 5 p.m.
Game 5 - Winner of Game 3 vs. Loser of Game 4, 8 p.m.
Saturday, May 10
Game 6 - Winner of Game 4 vs. Winner of Game 5, To Be Determined
Game 7 - If Necessary
Championship Game to be webcast LIVE on Collegecasts.com
The battle for one of 4 spots in the SLIAC Conference Tourney is heated amongst FIVE teams.... someone is not going to make it.
Currently:
Webster 13-3 3 games remaining with non-contender Eureka, 3 games remaining with contender Fontbonne
Westminster 12-4 2 games remaining with non contender MacMurray, 2 games remaining with non contender Principia, 2 games remaining with contender Greenville
Spalding 12-4 3 games remaining with non-contender Principia, 3 games remaining with non-contender Blackburn
Greenville 12-5 3 games remaining with non-contender Blackburn, 2 games remaining with contender Westminster
Fontbonne 11-5 3 games remaining with non-contender Iowa Wesleyan, 3 games remaining with contender Webster
The Final weekend series between Webster and Fontbonne will be a huge one....
^^^ If you revisit this in a week the picture might be clearer. Could be that there will be one or two teams that have locked in a spot and three or four fighting for the other spots. All five contending teams play their final series starting next Friday, 5/1 -- WU vs FU, GC vs WC, and SU vs BC. And let's not assume that because SU is contending and BC isn't that SU will sweep that series. Baseball is much less predictable than basketball. All non-contending teams (other than BC) will be finished the middle of next week.
Spalding splits a DH w/Prin today and Fontbonne splits w/Iowa Wes. Spalding now w/5 losses and Fontbonne w/6 losses.
Fontbonne loses again to IWC on Sunday, taking them to 7 losses... Fontbonne will have to sweep Webster next weekend, 3 of 3, in order to have any possible chance of being top 4 and earning a tourney spot (barring a major losing streak by Greenville).... If that doesn't happen, top 4 will be Webster, Spalding, Westminster, and Greenville.....
Webster takes two from Eureka today. So with four games left the worst they can do is finish with seven losses. Given how they handled Eureka today I'd say a loss to the Red Devils tomorrow would be a big upset, especially since Webster has one of its top pitchers starting. But, hey, anything can happen.
OH MY GOSH... I saw the Webster - Eureka score in St Louis Post Dispatch and figured a misprint.... the score read Webster 40 Eureka 4.... Unbelievable, it's correct.. in 7 innings (Webster batted in only 6 innings)
Box score on SLIAC.org shows Webster, 40 runs, 39 hits, 10 walks, Eureka 5 errors... Webster had 5 doubles, 4 home runs
Score by inning : 11, 4, 0, 4, 15, 6 = 40
Webster likely used everyone that was dressed, with only 2 starters having 5 or 6 at bats
STILL, how much is too much?
Also noticed Cody Behrens, a very nice shooter for the EC Basketball team, got a chance to pitch... 1/3 of an inning, 6 hits, 1 walk, 1 hit batter, 8 runs... Cody, stick to hoisting up those 3 point shots!!!!
The box score I saw says 31 hits. As for how much is too much, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do if they can't get you out. The game was supposed to go 9 innings but was called after seven because of the 10 run rule. Several Webster pitchers saw time at infield positions and got at bats -- and even hits.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on April 27, 2015, 11:00:59 PM
The box score I saw says 31 hits. As for how much is too much, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do if they can't get you out. The game was supposed to go 9 innings but was called after seven because of the 10 run rule. Several Webster pitchers saw time at infield positions and got at bats -- and even hits.
Correct Yjak...I misread hits... 31 is right
Greenville beats Westminster, Webster beats Spalding, Westminster then beats Spalding, eliminating Spalding..
Today, weather permitting, Greenville and Webster square off, then the loser of that game will face Westminster in an elimination game..
Wow... Webster loses to Greenville yesterday, then to Westminster today and is eliminated... Westminster and Greenville play for conference tourney championship and auto bid to NCAA Tourney... Westmin needs two wins, Greenville just one....
Question, will Webster be considered for an at large bid?
Quote from: hopefan on May 09, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
Wow... Webster loses to Greenville yesterday, then to Westminster today and is eliminated... Westminster and Greenville play for conference tourney championship and auto bid to NCAA Tourney... Westmin needs two wins, Greenville just one....
Question, will Webster be considered for an at large bid?
I can't seem to find the regional rankings right now, but weren't they #1 in the Central? Yeah, I'd say they are a virtual lock. (They should be #1 at the table for C bids from the Central, and I can't believe the Central would be passed over 14 straight times!)
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 09, 2015, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: hopefan on May 09, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
Wow... Webster loses to Greenville yesterday, then to Westminster today and is eliminated... Westminster and Greenville play for conference tourney championship and auto bid to NCAA Tourney... Westmin needs two wins, Greenville just one....
Question, will Webster be considered for an at large bid?
I can't seem to find the regional rankings right now, but weren't they #1 in the Central? Yeah, I'd say they are a virtual lock. (They should be #1 at the table for C bids from the Central, and I can't believe the Central would be passed over 14 straight times!)
Good to hear Ypsi... as you can tell, I don't follow D3 baseball... spring is the time to consider next year's basketball season....but I will always root for the 'home team'..
Ahhh, wouldn't it be nice if the SLIAC could climb the D3 hoops ladder to the point where the thought of an at large bid at tourney time could be considered.... ::) ::)
Quote from: hopefan on May 09, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
Wow... Webster loses to Greenville yesterday, then to Westminster today and is eliminated... Westminster and Greenville play for conference tourney championship and auto bid to NCAA Tourney... Westmin needs two wins, Greenville just one....
Question, will Webster be considered for an at large bid?
It was a rough first two innings for the Webster pitchers against Greenville, falling behind 9-0. Then a long rain delay. They outscored Greenville 6-1 once play resumed, but 9 runs turned out to be too many to make up, even with eight innings at the plate Once you get into the losers bracket you have to win three straight to win the tournament. After Westmin beat Webster they beat Greenville to force the "if necessary" game, but couldn't pull off the third straight win. Congrats to Greenville. Hope Ypsi is right that Webster gets an at-large bid.
Webster and Greenville head to the regional hosted by Wartburg in Waverly, Iowa....
Greenville falls to UW Stevens Point 7-4; Webster squeezes by Carthage 4-3 on Day 1 of regionals... Anderson beats Wartburg in other game..
Day 2 will have Greenville vs Carthage in elimination game, Webster vs Anderson, Stevens Point vs Wartburg in must win game for Wartburg..
Webster did not have third baseman Jeff Kammer (.394 BA, 9 HR, 42 RBI) in the lineup yesterday. Hope he's okay.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on May 14, 2015, 08:12:43 AM
Webster did not have third baseman Jeff Kammer (.394 BA, 9 HR, 42 RBI) in the lineup yesterday. Hope he's okay.
maybe suffering from extreme exhaustion?? 😄😄
Quote from: hopefan on May 14, 2015, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on May 14, 2015, 08:12:43 AM
Webster did not have third baseman Jeff Kammer (.394 BA, 9 HR, 42 RBI) in the lineup yesterday. Hope he's okay.
maybe suffering from extreme exhaustion?? 😄😄
Very clever. I get the Matt Carpenter reference. I was wondering if he might have had to stay behind to take an exam or deal with some sort of academic requirement, especially since he is a senior.
I'd be surprised if the reason for his absence doesn't remain private, but it is not health related.
Quote from: Dee3Baseball on May 14, 2015, 02:38:48 PM
I'd be surprised if the reason for his absence doesn't remain private, but it is not health related.
He's entitled to his privacy. It's certainly none of my business. I should probably not even have speculated. I think the main thing I was wondering has been answered in that it sounds like he won't be playing in the regional -- or beyond should Webster win.
Everybody rained out today at Wartburg.... things will pick up tomorrow.....
Gorloks need a win today.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on May 17, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
Gorloks need a win today.
Got it on the first try. Well done!
Way to go Gorlocks... will anxiously follow the D3 Series!!!!
Quote from: hopefan on May 17, 2015, 04:55:13 PM
Way to go Gorlocks... will anxiously follow the D3 Series!!!!
Spelling test for hopefan.
How do you spell Gorlok?
a) Gorlok
b) Gorlock
You can find the answer in this article: http://websterathletics.com/news/2015/5/17/BB_0517151441.aspx?path=baseball
yelled at again... hey, it only took me 2 years to learn how to spell Creal... give me time... ;D ;D
Quote from: hopefan on May 18, 2015, 11:08:57 AM
yelled at again... hey, it only took me 2 years to learn how to spell Creal... give me time... ;D ;D
Just wanting you to be the best you can be. :D
Quote from: y_jack_lok on May 14, 2015, 08:12:43 AM
Webster did not have third baseman Jeff Kammer (.394 BA, 9 HR, 42 RBI) in the lineup yesterday. Hope he's okay.
I see he is back in the lineup against SUNY-Cortland in the first World Series game today. Wearing some kind of protection on his left foot/ankle at the plate. Not sure if he always does that.
Webster's losing a DH to an "SAA average" Rhodes team casts some doubts about the Gorloks' #22 ranking this week.
Webster headed to the world series for the fourth time in eight years -- '12, '13, '15, '19. https://websterathletics.com/news/2019/5/25/baseball-records-season-high-22-hits-in-defeating-top-ranked-concordia-chicago-to-advance-to-division-iii-world-series.aspx
Memorial day article highlighting the careers of 5 surviving WW-2 veterans living in Texas.
Here is the excerpt about Frank Saucier, for whom the ball field at Westminster is named.
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/mlb/texas-rangers/article230759829.html
QuoteFrank Saucier grew up in Missouri and served as one of the youngest deck officers commissioned by the Navy in World War II. He graduated with a degree in math and physics from Westminster College in Fulton, Missouri, home of the National Churchill Museum, where Churchill delivered his famous "Iron Curtain" speech in 1946. In 1949, Saucier batted a blistering .446 with the Wichita Falls Spudders of the Big State League. In 1950, The Sporting News named Saucier as as Minor League Player of the Year after hitting .343 and winning the Texas League batting title with the San Antonio Missions.
In baseball circles, the Amarillo businessman is known for being replaced by major-league baseball's smallest player, three-foot-seven-inch tall, 65-pound Eddie Gaedel, who wore the number "1/8" on his jersey when he pinch-hit for Saucier in a publicity stunt in 1951.
When war came again, the owner of the St. Louis Browns, Bill Veeck, a master showman, future Hall of Famer and former Marine, who lost a leg in WWII made an unsuccessful bid to exempt his outfielder from the Navy. Once again, Saucier left baseball to serve in the Korean War for two years and never looked back.
Saucier worked in the finance and oil business until he retired at age 85. Today, the Westminster College baseball field bears his name.
^^^ That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing. +1
2017 D3Baseball.com Pitcher of the Year is doing well in Double-A.
https://websterathletics.com/news/2019/7/29/baseball-former-gorlok-josh-fleming-tosses-second-straight-nine-inning-complete-game-for-double-amontgomery.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0fvoV46O4m5cnXYNE4Wwp-Nzbh3SB3dPV0gZl5NDfOqtKbX0p2kGQWCu8
https://mobile.twitter.com/BiscuitBaseball/status/1155630253974462464
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 29, 2019, 02:23:47 AM
2017 D3Baseball.com Pitcher of the Year is doing well in Double-A.
https://websterathletics.com/news/2019/7/29/baseball-former-gorlok-josh-fleming-tosses-second-straight-nine-inning-complete-game-for-double-amontgomery.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0fvoV46O4m5cnXYNE4Wwp-Nzbh3SB3dPV0gZl5NDfOqtKbX0p2kGQWCu8
https://mobile.twitter.com/BiscuitBaseball/status/1155630253974462464
Update:; https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/08/rays-to-select-josh-fleming.html?fbclid=IwAR3VVfcSDgrOnLA00k8SFXKej3zdaHOGiDvDSHQvXaexTQDYIZGzKvnmwaA
"The Rays will select the contract of lefty Josh Fleming from their alternate training site this weekend, manager Kevin Cash announced to reporters...The 24-year-old Fleming was a rare draftee from a Division-III program — a fifth-round pick by the Rays out of Webster University in St. Louis back in 2017. He's cruised through the minors, pitching to a combined 3.40 ERA with 6.6 K/9, 1.6 BB/9 and a ground-ball rate north of 50 percent."
From Saturday Morning Tampa Bay Times... on Webster's Josh Fleming
Young lefty to make debut Sunday
BY JOEY JOHNSTON
Times Correspondent
ST. PETERSBURG — Responding to a steady stream of pitching injuries, the Rays plan to start left-hander Josh Fleming Sunday against the Blue Jays at Tropicana Field.
Fleming, making his majorleague debut, will get national television exposure. With the Yankees-Mets series postponed in New York, Sunday's Rays-Jays game has been shifted to TBS.
The 24-year-old will become the 10th different starter utilized by Tampa Bay this season.
The organization named Fleming as its most valuable player for Double-A Montgomery last season, based on his 11-4 record, 3.31 ERA and excellent walks-to-strikeouts ratio (walked just 19 in 127⅔ innings while striking out 92).
At 6 feet 2, 220 pounds, Fleming was a fifth-round pick in 2017 and the first selection ever out of NCAA Division III Webster University in Missouri. As a junior, he was 8-1 with an 0.68 ERA (leading Division III in that category).
Fleming, who will assume the roster spot of right-hander Yonny Chirinos (facing Tommy John surgery after an elbow injury), had "a lot of excitement when he was told,'' according to Rays manager Kevin Cash.
"It will be an exciting game for the Rays and for him, certainly,'' Cash said. "He has been throwing the ball really well down there (Port Charlotte). We're encouraged that he can provide length. He has got up to five, almost six innings of work. He showed us enough in spring training. He's a guy we like."
Cash compared Fleming to left-hander Ryan Yarbrough — more crafty than overpowering.
"He's similar to Yarbs in that he can really cut the ball, mix his pitches well, pitch off the edges and create some swing and miss by establishing strikes by using his cutter to his advantage,'' Cash said.
^^^ Nice! Thanks.
In Today's TAMPA paper
Fleming to debut with family nearby
BY JOEY JOHNSTON
Times Correspondent
ST. PETERSBURG — When Rays left-hander Josh Fleming makes his major-league debut in today's series finale against the Blue Jays at Tropicana Field, he will be surrounded by family.
Sort of.
His parents, Mark and Lori, traveled from Columbia, Ill., to the Tampa Bay area on Saturday. His fiancee, Katie, is expected today after attending her sister's wedding.
But due to COVID-19 safety restrictions — no fans permitted — none of his family will be allowed into the Trop. Instead, they will watch at a restaurant, maybe back at the hotel. The game, on Fox Sports Sun, also will be shown nationally on TBS.
"It's unfortunate (that family can't watch live), but we're doing the right thing," manager Kevin Cash said. "We saw (pitcher) Ryan Thompson's dad fly across the country to sit at a bar and be 6 feet away from him when he might've seen him at the parking lot. I'm assuming Josh will be similar like that with his family.
"Hopefully they enjoy themselves, travel safe and he can put on a good performance. Certainly controlling his anxiety will be a factor. I think that's fair for anybody making a debut."
Fleming, who was working at the team's alternate training site in Port Charlotte, was named most valuable player last season at Double-A Montgomery (where he was 11-4, 3.31 ERA). Cash said the 24-year-old is described as a "superior competitor who does the little things right on the mound." He's also a popular teammate.
When minor-league coordinator Michael Johns announced the ascension, the room erupted with cheers and Fleming was mobbed.
"I was actually speechless," said Fleming, who will be the 11th different starting pitcher used by the Rays this season. "He (Johns) asked me to say something, but I couldn't talk. We have the best staff in the league. To be able to hop in and start with them is very, very cool to me.
"I really don't think it has hit me yet. Come first pitch, I'm going to be pretty amped up. But I'm not going to let my emotions get to me. I'm just going to go out there and throw."
Fleming, a fifth-round pick in 2017 out of NCAA Division III Webster University, is the first player from his St. Louis-based school to make the majors. Webster was his only offer out of high school. He was 150 pounds as a Webster freshman, but his devotion to weights and nutrition increased the weight to 190 that summer. Meanwhile, his velocity went from the mid-80s to low-90s to become a prospect.
ALSO
What's a Gorlock?
Fleming's college team is the Webster Gorlocks (taken from the campus cross streets of Gore and Lockwood). What's a Gorlock? According to the university, it's a mythical creature designed by students and staff through a school contest. It has "the paws of a speeding cheetah, the horns of a fierce buffalo and the face of a dependable Saint Bernard." It's meant to embody "the highest standards of speed, agility and stamina in an atmosphere of fairness and good conduct."
"I don't know where they came up with those three animals to make it, but it's a very unique name," Fleming said
Since hopefan couldn't watch live (says he has the game on tape) I'll give a brief recap from following on the MLB Gameday app. Fleming went five innings, gave up four hits and two runs, struck out three. The TB Rays scored three runs in the bottom of the fifth and two in the seventh and held on for a 5-4 win, making Fleming the winning pitcher in his MLB debut.
The Tampa paper needs to learn how to spell Gorlok.
Tampa newspaper article on the game: https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/08/23/josh-fleming-debuts-with-a-win-as-rays-beat-blue-jays-5-4/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
A feel good article in Tampa paper the day after the big win for Webster's Josh Fleming:
No limits to sharing this dream
Josh Fleming's entourage did whatever it took to see his debut.
ST. PETERSBURG — You raise him. You teach, comfort, scold and encourage him.
You get him all the way from a small town in Missouri to the bright lights of major-league baseball in a nationally televised Sunday afternoon game. Then a pandemic leaves you locked outside the stadium gates on the day of your son's big-league debut.
For Josh Fleming's parents, this was not going to be a barrier, just a small impediment.
They flew in from St. Louis on Satur day, sat thems elves with friends across the street from Tropicana Field at Ferg's Sports Bar & Grill on Sunday afternoon, and watched Josh pitch five strong innings in a 5-4 Rays victory.
Turns out, you don't have to be in the same building to share a dream.
"Even if we can't get close to him after the game, we just want to be able to look into his eyes and see him smile," his father, Mark, said shortly before the start of the game. "We may have to put his mom in a garbage bag so she can hug him, but we'll figure it out."
So how about it, Josh? Will you force Mom to follow social-distancing protocols? "I don't know," Josh said, chuckling, after his outing. "That's going to be a very, very tough thing to do, I'm sure."
If it wasn't exactly the way they once envisioned, it was memorable nonetheless: a private room provided by bar owner Mark Ferguson with seven TVs, three college friends, two parents, an agent and a fiancee.
There were no ushers, foul balls or scoreboard theatrics, but there was plenty of passion to go around. Friends from back home in Missouri called the bar and had a bucket of beer sent in. Ferg's customers stuck their heads in the room and offered congratulations.
It all began Friday morning, when three of Josh's teammates and friends from Webster University got a text message from him saying he was being promoted. Within hours they had a road trip planned. Zach Bishop went from Columbia, Mo., to St. Louis to pick up Kevin Spisak, and they drove from 7 p.m. until 10:45 a.m. Saturday, when they reached Tampa Bay along with friend Brett Jungles, who was coming from Jacksonville Beach.
"Since the day (Josh) got drafted, we had a pact. No matter what city he was in, no matter where we were, we were going to be there the day he finally made it," Bishop said. "The idea was we would fly in and buy tickets to the game, but obviously with (COVID-19), all of that has changed. But we figured we might as well still honor that pact and go watch the game outside of the stadium if we had to."
Last to arrive was Josh's fiancee, Katie O'Toole, who made it about 10 minutes before the first pitch. No excuse was needed. When she got the call from Josh on Friday afternoon, she was a little busy herself. Her sister's wedding was in less than 24 hours and she was helping with last-minute arrangements after a venue cancellation.
O'Toole left the reception Saturday night, got up early Sunday to catch a flight and was hugging Josh's mom, Lori, at Ferg's just as the pregame show was ending on Fox Sports Sun.
"I wish we could be there and see the real thing, but this is okay, too," O'Toole said. "I'm just glad his parents and friends and I were all able to share this together and support him even if it was from afar."
The viewing party itself was an odd mix of rapid-fire emotions, from anticipation to joy to tension and finally relief. There were shouts of encouragement with each pitch, and they hit a crescendo when Josh got out of the first inning three up and three down.
"It's okay," his father said, "we can breathe now."
The second time through the order had some rougher patches, but Josh, 24, left the bases loaded in the fourth and walked off the mound in the fifth while trailing only 2-0. When the Rays put together a three-run rally in the bottom of the inning, Josh went from a potential loss to a potential victory if the bullpen could hold on.
Even that produced some unscripted drama. Josh worked out in the offseason with Rays reliever Pete Fairbanks, a former University of Missouri pitcher, and has been bunking at Fairbanks' place in St. Petersburg since being called up Friday.
"This could be awkward," said agent Aaron Elking, who represents Josh and Fairbanks.
Fairbanks gave up a pair of walks in the sixth but got out of the inning with the lead intact, and the rest of the bullpen held on to close out the victory for Josh.
So what runs through a father's mind while watching in a bar as his son makes his bigleague debut across the street, a few hundred yards away?
"When he made the call to tell us on Friday, that's when I thought about all those times when he was a little boy and we would play catch," Mark said. "Today it was more about this moment and the memory and trying not to be so nervous. We're going to have to learn how to relax so we can enjoy watching him because today it was hard to even breathe."
Contact John Romano at jromano@tampabay.com. Follow @Romano_TBTimes.
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Josh Fleming does Webster, the SLIAC, and D3 proud with his 2nd outstanding performance with the Tampa Bay Rays!!
STRANGELY UNRECOGNIZED BY D3Baseball (unless I missed it)
Quote from: hopefan on August 30, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
Josh Fleming does Webster, the SLIAC, and D3 proud with his 2nd outstanding performance with the Tampa Bay Rays!!
STRANGELY UNRECOGNIZED BY D3Baseball (unless I missed it)
Must have missed it.
Quote from: Jim Dixon on August 31, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on August 30, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
Josh Fleming does Webster, the SLIAC, and D3 proud with his 2nd outstanding performance with the Tampa Bay Rays!!
STRANGELY UNRECOGNIZED BY D3Baseball (unless I missed it)
Must have missed it.
You are right and I apologize... I didn't study the pictures like I should have.... I know I'm prone to error, That's why I put that caveat, "unless...." out there.... Fleming now 2-0 in 2 starts, 1.74 ERA, 9 SO, 2 BB, 7 hits in 10+ innings... so cool coming from a D3 outlier like the SLIAC....
Quote from: hopefan on August 31, 2020, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Dixon on August 31, 2020, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: hopefan on August 30, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
Josh Fleming does Webster, the SLIAC, and D3 proud with his 2nd outstanding performance with the Tampa Bay Rays!!
STRANGELY UNRECOGNIZED BY D3Baseball (unless I missed it)
Must have missed it.
You are right and I apologize... I didn't study the pictures like I should have.... I know I'm prone to error, That's why I put that caveat, "unless...." out there.... Fleming now 2-0 in 2 starts, 1.74 ERA, 9 SO, 2 BB, 7 hits in 10+ innings... so cool coming from a D3 outlier like the SLIAC....
Well I added the note in our rotating features after I read your post. I had been lost in All-Decade stuff but you are right that the exposure was a bit lighter than I would have liked. Thanks for the push to finish.
Lest we overlook.... Tampa Bay Rays' Josh Fleming now 4-0 in 6 starts (actually 4 starts and two games where an "opener" was used), 3.33 ERA... He has retained his starter status in a 5 man rotation where the other 4 starters are experienced successful major leaguers.... only tough spot seems to be the home run ball, given up 5 in 26 innings....
^^^ I checked those stats a couple of days ago. Looking good so far. While not SLIAC related, an interesting side note: One of the "openers" was Pete Fairbanks who went to Webster Groves HS and Mizzou and is just a couple of years older than Fleming. The WGHS baseball field is literally across the street from Webster U.
Fleming with another good outing: https://websterathletics.com/news/2020/9/28/baseball-fleming-closes-mlb-regular-season-with-six-shutout-innings-against-philadephia.aspx
Webster & Wash U: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/local-d-iii-baseball-powers-hope-to-make-national-title-runs/article_9d8e85f7-d6cb-5061-814a-53f71b1e7dcd.html?fbclid=IwAR1tRojZ9c7Nvr-kGLmAOaRBlge6VsjiT8W33niBXTxbtekuRQxKCLF0PFk
In today's paper down here in sunny St Pete:
"Left hander Josh Fleming (10-3) has the most wins in team history through 16 career appearances."
Fleming is a Webster grad and pitches for the Tampa Bay Rays...went 5-0 last year in September, and 5-3 so far this year... seems incredibly poised... still, just as I posted last year, his only real problem seems to be giving up the long ball... I'd love to meet him or his family some day and talk about his times at Webster....
^^^ Been wondering how he's been doing. Thanks for the update.
In playoff news, Wash U won its regional. After sailing through undefeated to get to the first championship game they lost to Denison 14-10, then came back to win 2-0. Webster went 2-2 -- beat Transylvania 4-0, lost to Denison 8-1, beat Transylvania 4-3, lost to Denison 8-2.