Title: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Andrew Wagner on July 27, 2005, 03:52:04 PM
Post by: Andrew Wagner on July 27, 2005, 03:52:04 PM
Not going to be Classen (Mr. Downtown, at least spell the guy's name right ... he IS in the UWO Hall of Fame). He's too busy after stealing the boys' gig at PiHiXI
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 27, 2005, 04:44:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 27, 2005, 04:44:39 PM
He is?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on July 27, 2005, 06:36:40 PM
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on July 27, 2005, 06:36:40 PM
I heard (very reliably) that the official word is coming that Schumacher is the next UWO coach. I wish her the best!
I must say, I thought that Betthauser was an excellent candidate, and I wish her the best of luck as well.
Lets see if the ladies can rally around the new boss!
I must say, I thought that Betthauser was an excellent candidate, and I wish her the best of luck as well.
Lets see if the ladies can rally around the new boss!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 28, 2005, 12:26:29 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 28, 2005, 12:26:29 AM
You know, they are getting pretty late with this choice. If they do know who it is, why don't they announce already?
If Schumacher is the new coach, I'm sure that would make the Oshkosh commmunity happy, to see that the coach who took Oshkosh West and made them a powerhouse in the state, is taking over at the top level in the city. Who knows, perhaps more people in Oshkosh (outside of campus) will pay attention.
If Schumacher is the new coach, I'm sure that would make the Oshkosh commmunity happy, to see that the coach who took Oshkosh West and made them a powerhouse in the state, is taking over at the top level in the city. Who knows, perhaps more people in Oshkosh (outside of campus) will pay attention.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 28, 2005, 02:09:46 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 28, 2005, 02:09:46 PM
UWO's athletic website is down for a bit after some storm damage has turned Kolf into a disaster zone. And, witht the way they've been doing things lately, if the Northwestern sports department printed that today was Thursday, I'd believe it was Sunday.
Title: WIAC
Post by: gustiesoaps on July 29, 2005, 06:09:50 PM
Post by: gustiesoaps on July 29, 2005, 06:09:50 PM
It is official!
Terri Schumacher will be the new Titans coach:
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/
Good luck to her!
Terri Schumacher will be the new Titans coach:
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/
Good luck to her!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 30, 2005, 09:50:12 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 30, 2005, 09:50:12 PM
Now, Schumacher has to find out who is actually going to be on the team.
Here is Oshkosh's projected starting line up
F: Herrick
F: Tyriver
G: O'Keef
G: Eggers
G: Knapp
This is a pretty good starting 5. However...some players that i have talked to awhile ago didn't really know if some of the girls were going to come back and play. Most of these girls were on the bench, so Schumacher is going to weed through the walk-ons and complete the rest of the team.
So, this offseason, the starting 5 has to be in the best condition of their lives, because they might have to play 33-35 minutes a game.
On the hiring, I'm not quite sure if Schumacher is going to help this team win now, but I have so much confidence in her to make this program better. Just because the one knock on Oshkosh was recuirtment. Last year, one player (Oshkosh West Tyriver), and of course Eggers transferring. With Schumacher coming in, and being a top notch Womens High School Basketball coach in Wisconsin, and in the FVA conference, UWO wont be losing the best talent in the Fox Valley to other schools. Which can only strengthen the program down the road.
This year, I have no idea who Oshkosh is bringing in. Perhaps Voice of the Titans or Titan2000 know. But Schumacher has a lot of work to do to get this team ready.
I believe she will bring UWO back to the national tournament. Though, I'm not convinced if its going to be this year. However, these girls were once number 1 in the nation last year. Maybe they will regain that form this year.
Here is Oshkosh's projected starting line up
F: Herrick
F: Tyriver
G: O'Keef
G: Eggers
G: Knapp
This is a pretty good starting 5. However...some players that i have talked to awhile ago didn't really know if some of the girls were going to come back and play. Most of these girls were on the bench, so Schumacher is going to weed through the walk-ons and complete the rest of the team.
So, this offseason, the starting 5 has to be in the best condition of their lives, because they might have to play 33-35 minutes a game.
On the hiring, I'm not quite sure if Schumacher is going to help this team win now, but I have so much confidence in her to make this program better. Just because the one knock on Oshkosh was recuirtment. Last year, one player (Oshkosh West Tyriver), and of course Eggers transferring. With Schumacher coming in, and being a top notch Womens High School Basketball coach in Wisconsin, and in the FVA conference, UWO wont be losing the best talent in the Fox Valley to other schools. Which can only strengthen the program down the road.
This year, I have no idea who Oshkosh is bringing in. Perhaps Voice of the Titans or Titan2000 know. But Schumacher has a lot of work to do to get this team ready.
I believe she will bring UWO back to the national tournament. Though, I'm not convinced if its going to be this year. However, these girls were once number 1 in the nation last year. Maybe they will regain that form this year.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 31, 2005, 12:48:05 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 31, 2005, 12:48:05 AM
I'm still waiting for word on what the "birdies" have to say......
As head of the WBCA the past few years, Schumacher knows nearly every HS coach in the state. I see recruiting as no problem whatsoever. But, then again, birdies could tell us different.......
As head of the WBCA the past few years, Schumacher knows nearly every HS coach in the state. I see recruiting as no problem whatsoever. But, then again, birdies could tell us different.......
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on July 31, 2005, 10:36:18 AM
Post by: Titan 2000 on July 31, 2005, 10:36:18 AM
I have no ideas on who they have recruited for 2005. I wish her well.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 02, 2005, 02:15:18 PM
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 02, 2005, 02:15:18 PM
Here is a link to the Oshkosh Northwestern... There are 4 articles on the Schumacher hire under headlines form July 30.
The Larry Grahm article is quite scathing... I think there is going to be considerable pressure on her to do well. Best of luck
The Larry Grahm article is quite scathing... I think there is going to be considerable pressure on her to do well. Best of luck
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 02, 2005, 06:07:23 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 02, 2005, 06:07:23 PM
In the past few months, Graham has looked to burn any bridge that is out there. The Northwestern better send somebody else to UWO games, cause there might not be many quotes if Larry's there.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 02, 2005, 06:16:46 PM
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 02, 2005, 06:16:46 PM
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 02, 2005, 07:09:31 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 02, 2005, 07:09:31 PM
I understand that Oshkosh fans/media/critics are very hard at times on their teams. But this is why Graham is wrong.
Coach Schumacher has won a STATE TITLE. She was the head of all women's basketball coaches.
(Shakes head)
I know that I have said some pretty stupid things, granted a lot of people have. Though, how can you bash her before she even starts! Honestly, where was the Coach Ruder bashing? I mean c'mon, look at last year. Oshkosh was number 1, and then one loss. Yeah, it was a very bad loss to Stout (88-58, @home), but all of a sudden, we saw a totally different starting lineup. Then another one, and another, and another, and another, and another...
And...I keep bringing this up...Where is the recruiting class?!?!?!? I understand that a lot of the recruiting is done by the assistants. Though it has to be the head coach that persuades them to suit up in the Gold and Black. Evidently, the past couple of seasons, Ruder didn't do that enough.
Now, no one knows who is coming back to the team.
No one knows the new class of basketball players, if any.
And we have only one player to bump up from last year, and she was starting at the end of the year (Tyriver).
So instead of pointing out why Oshkosh "deserves better", he should have pointed out that how hard of a job Schumacher is going to have to clean up the mess that Ruder left behind. In my honest opinion, if Ruder didn't leave, we would have seen possibly one of the worse seasons Oshkosh has had in quite sometime. Just because talking to players during the past season, it was really going downhill fast. It was the PLAYERS that got them to the conference tourney championship game against Stout. Not COACHING.
(Sighs)
Now that I have voiced my opinion, I hope Schumacher finds a way to beat Stout, and finds a way to get these girls to the dance. So I can go the practice fields, shoot down a crow, and serve to Graham.
Coach Schumacher has won a STATE TITLE. She was the head of all women's basketball coaches.
(Shakes head)
I know that I have said some pretty stupid things, granted a lot of people have. Though, how can you bash her before she even starts! Honestly, where was the Coach Ruder bashing? I mean c'mon, look at last year. Oshkosh was number 1, and then one loss. Yeah, it was a very bad loss to Stout (88-58, @home), but all of a sudden, we saw a totally different starting lineup. Then another one, and another, and another, and another, and another...
And...I keep bringing this up...Where is the recruiting class?!?!?!? I understand that a lot of the recruiting is done by the assistants. Though it has to be the head coach that persuades them to suit up in the Gold and Black. Evidently, the past couple of seasons, Ruder didn't do that enough.
Now, no one knows who is coming back to the team.
No one knows the new class of basketball players, if any.
And we have only one player to bump up from last year, and she was starting at the end of the year (Tyriver).
So instead of pointing out why Oshkosh "deserves better", he should have pointed out that how hard of a job Schumacher is going to have to clean up the mess that Ruder left behind. In my honest opinion, if Ruder didn't leave, we would have seen possibly one of the worse seasons Oshkosh has had in quite sometime. Just because talking to players during the past season, it was really going downhill fast. It was the PLAYERS that got them to the conference tourney championship game against Stout. Not COACHING.
(Sighs)
Now that I have voiced my opinion, I hope Schumacher finds a way to beat Stout, and finds a way to get these girls to the dance. So I can go the practice fields, shoot down a crow, and serve to Graham.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 02, 2005, 09:41:45 PM
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 02, 2005, 09:41:45 PM
Graham sure seems mean-spirited, maybe ome of the Lady Titans will punch him out 
Title: WIAC
Post by: Andrew Wagner on August 03, 2005, 03:40:24 AM
Post by: Andrew Wagner on August 03, 2005, 03:40:24 AM
Who will join on as assistants?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 03, 2005, 06:34:50 AM
Post by: Heywood Jabuzzoff on August 03, 2005, 06:34:50 AM
Downtown~
You make some very interesting and bold points, and I think it makes sense. However, I think the point of the article isn't so much that Schumacher is a bad choice... just that given the candidates, not the best choice.
That is a pretty arbitrary statement, because there is no way to factually back it up. Apparently, the powers that be at 'Skosh thought she was the best candidate, and they have the most information. So... lets hang on for the ride and give Terri some support!
You make some very interesting and bold points, and I think it makes sense. However, I think the point of the article isn't so much that Schumacher is a bad choice... just that given the candidates, not the best choice.
That is a pretty arbitrary statement, because there is no way to factually back it up. Apparently, the powers that be at 'Skosh thought she was the best candidate, and they have the most information. So... lets hang on for the ride and give Terri some support!
Title: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 05, 2005, 02:01:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 05, 2005, 02:01:12 PM
After an exhaustive national search, bucking the gender trend and just in the nick of time UW-Superior announces they have hired Superior Senior High School basketball coach, Craig Morrissey, as the interim head women's basketball coach.
That makes both the men and women's head coaches interim hires. No offense intended but you have wonder why people take jobs in which it appears they have no administrative support. Do the powers to be give two hoots about what happens with their athletic programs at Superior?
If this was the hockey program would they treat it this way?
(Message edited by WARHAWKGUY on August 5, 2005)
That makes both the men and women's head coaches interim hires. No offense intended but you have wonder why people take jobs in which it appears they have no administrative support. Do the powers to be give two hoots about what happens with their athletic programs at Superior?
If this was the hockey program would they treat it this way?
(Message edited by WARHAWKGUY on August 5, 2005)
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 05, 2005, 02:56:23 PM
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 05, 2005, 02:56:23 PM
Isn't UW Superior itself interim? I think it gets shut down in a year or two.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 05, 2005, 04:33:22 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 05, 2005, 04:33:22 PM
You know what, I wouldn't pass on that idea Titan 2000. I'm sure that'll give the state government even more reason to cut funding towards the state's education.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 07, 2005, 12:11:10 PM
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 07, 2005, 12:11:10 PM
Downtown:
It's been discussed for years, its in the public record. There is capacity in the state and not many people want to access it in Siberia, oops I mena Superior.
It's been discussed for years, its in the public record. There is capacity in the state and not many people want to access it in Siberia, oops I mena Superior.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2005, 05:23:08 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2005, 05:23:08 PM
I remember reading over the summer there was a proposal to combine, at least in part, UW-Superior and UM-Duluth. Not sure how serious that is, and I know that it was only someone's idea.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 07, 2005, 08:01:22 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 07, 2005, 08:01:22 PM
If that were to happen, it would be the ultimate UW-Canada team, taking over the title from Stout.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 07, 2005, 09:47:10 PM
Post by: Foulanguage on August 07, 2005, 09:47:10 PM
Discussion of closing UW-Superior has been going on for years--30 or more. It wouldn't make sense to close it and leave clusters of schools in other parts of the state--it would be easier to absorb a River Falls into Stout and Eau Claire and LaCrosse, for example. Now, if they suggest getting rid of the 'external' chancellor--who only shows up to glad hand at university functions and is otherwise suspiciously absent--the state would be solving MANY problems in one fell swoop, budget not being the least of them. Another rumor that makes more sense, however, is for UW-S to drop out of the WIAC and join the conference that includes St Scholastica, Northland College and the other smaller colleges and university for athletics. I suppose that would make all you flatlanders pretty happy. I just heard Menomonie as being in the far north of Wisconsin. That leaves about a third of the state in what?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 08, 2005, 11:46:10 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on August 08, 2005, 11:46:10 AM
Canada.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 08, 2005, 01:18:03 PM
Post by: Foulanguage on August 08, 2005, 01:18:03 PM
Do they get paid better there? Heck, they get paid better in Minnesota...Wisconsin could solve a lot of budget woes by signing over UW-W and UW-P to Illinois and Iowa, respectively; UW-RF, UW-Stout, UW-Superior, UW-LAX and UW-EC to Minnesota; if they only had to fund Stevens Point and Oshkosh, they (State of Wisconsin) could claim one of smallest university systems in the country and wash their hands of some big expenses. And revenues.
The thing about Superior intermin coaches, as I see it, is that it might take the women's coach--formerly an assistant high school coach--a little time to adjust to the speed and physical nature of the game. Superior was finally getting numbers on its women's team, and now this. If this were intentional mismanagement it couldn't have been managed better.
The thing about Superior intermin coaches, as I see it, is that it might take the women's coach--formerly an assistant high school coach--a little time to adjust to the speed and physical nature of the game. Superior was finally getting numbers on its women's team, and now this. If this were intentional mismanagement it couldn't have been managed better.
Title: WIAC
Post by: BlueDevil Bob on August 08, 2005, 01:28:30 PM
Post by: BlueDevil Bob on August 08, 2005, 01:28:30 PM
I have been following this discussion between you two and I must say you guys are making me laugh out loud. Let's see now..You guys have it at UW-Canada, UW-Minnesota, UW-Iowa and UW-Illinois. Leaving Point and Oshkosh to play each other every time. I guess that makes the scheduling easy!
Let's see now..You guys have it at UW-Canada, UW-Minnesota, UW-Iowa and UW-Illinois. Leaving Point and Oshkosh to play each other every time. I guess that makes the scheduling easy!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 08, 2005, 01:55:42 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 08, 2005, 01:55:42 PM
Hey, we in Oshkosh want to be Wisconsin State, so us students can stop paying up the butt in tution hikes thanks to UW-Madison!
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 09, 2005, 09:32:42 AM
Post by: Foulanguage on August 09, 2005, 09:32:42 AM
You (in Oshkosh) just might be close enough to form some kind of long-distance tie with Michigan. If the University of Phoenix can be all over the world, Michigan could jump the lake and sink it's wolverine toes in the southeast corner of Wisconsin. Take that Bucky--or in the case of (neanderthal language) women's sports--Buckettes. I'm afraid UW-SP will have to stick it out by themselves, but then they've long thought they were in a class by themselves, anyway.
Watch what you say about UW-Madison; it's probably the only school in the system that actually turns a profit. It does huge business in grants and corporate sponsorships. Wringing the life out of students through tuition hikes is just for fun.
Watch what you say about UW-Madison; it's probably the only school in the system that actually turns a profit. It does huge business in grants and corporate sponsorships. Wringing the life out of students through tuition hikes is just for fun.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 09, 2005, 11:31:05 AM
Post by: Titan 2000 on August 09, 2005, 11:31:05 AM
I cannot comment on UW Stevens Point or Mr. Coleman will be upset.
Title: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 09, 2005, 10:47:02 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 09, 2005, 10:47:02 PM
lol, you are probably right foulanguage, you are probably right
Title: WIAC
Post by: BlueDevil Bob on August 10, 2005, 08:12:04 AM
Post by: BlueDevil Bob on August 10, 2005, 08:12:04 AM
Foul, You have been clever enough to place every school in the WIAC with another state (or country) except for Point. Now, I know the geographical restraints of dealing with Point, but somehow I know you will come up with a solution to this final piece of the puzzle.
Perhaps shutting 'er down and making a brewery out of it? Or maybe a prison?
Perhaps shutting 'er down and making a brewery out of it? Or maybe a prison?
Title: WIAC
Post by: Foulanguage on August 10, 2005, 11:38:23 AM
Post by: Foulanguage on August 10, 2005, 11:38:23 AM
I have long thought that the answer to UW system budget woes is to declare all the campuses to be prisons, since corrections gets all the $ it asks for, whether for building maintenance or salaries. However, turning Point into the educational arm of Point Brewery might be a better solution (no pun intended, or maybe it is). The only other suggestion is to haul out that old plan to lop off the top third of Wisconsin, stitch it to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and form the State of Superior. I don't know how UW-SP fares under such a deal, but it has some potential to get it off (what's left of) Wisconsin's books.
Read in the Milwaukee J-S that three of UW-Madison's professors are pulling down salaries after criminal convictions--one already serving time in prison. Maybe the university to prison idea isn't all that far-fetched or difficult to accomplish.
Read in the Milwaukee J-S that three of UW-Madison's professors are pulling down salaries after criminal convictions--one already serving time in prison. Maybe the university to prison idea isn't all that far-fetched or difficult to accomplish.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on August 16, 2005, 08:54:03 PM
Post by: buf on August 16, 2005, 08:54:03 PM
Cool :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on August 17, 2005, 10:03:57 PM
Post by: titan2000 on August 17, 2005, 10:03:57 PM
I heard Ted Van Dellen was going to help with the ladies Titans in his spare time.
:o ;D
:o ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on September 07, 2005, 11:49:50 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on September 07, 2005, 11:49:50 AM
Anyone know what players are/aren't coming back for the Titans (besides graduated seniors)?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: oshfan on September 29, 2005, 05:11:58 PM
Post by: oshfan on September 29, 2005, 05:11:58 PM
erty
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on October 12, 2005, 11:35:51 AM
Post by: buckets on October 12, 2005, 11:35:51 AM
Quote from: oshfan on September 29, 2005, 05:11:58 PM
erty
Very insightful Oshfan.
Actually, I know that they will only have 6 returners:
O'Keefe - SR
Herrick - SR
Fehring - SR
Eggers - SR
Knqpp - JR
Tyriver - SO
They lost Rosicky, Holler, Turtenwald to graduation - Mader and Kerczan quit the team.
Not sure about their incoming class. Seems to this fan that they are in a down year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 12, 2005, 02:26:52 PM
Post by: buf on October 12, 2005, 02:26:52 PM
Looks like both good and bad news for UWO. The good news is they return all their good, experienced players. The bad news looks like the team has little depth, especially in the post. The starting 5 should be tough, but then there's a drop off after that.
After last season, I thought UWO would probably win conference this upcoming year. But as of now, conference is up in the air.
After last season, I thought UWO would probably win conference this upcoming year. But as of now, conference is up in the air.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 19, 2005, 03:04:27 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 19, 2005, 03:04:27 PM
UW-Oshkosh has posted their pre-season roster. I don't see any names among the newcomers that causes me to sit up and take notice. Could be a 6-person rotation for the Titans.
No. Name Pos. Hgt. Yr. Hometown (High School)
11 Kelly O'Keef** G 5-10 Sr. Shorewood (Whitefish Bay Dominican)
14 Shannon Eggers* G 5-11 Sr. Council Bluffs, Iowa (Lewis Central)
20 Becky Knapp** G 5-6 Jr. West Allis (Hale)
22 Whitney Tyriver* G 6-0 So. Oshkosh (West)
34 Pam Fehring*** F 5-11 Sr. Hartford (Hartford Union)
42 Brittany Herrick*** F 6-0 Sr. Appleton (Xavier)
Jessica Abitz G 5-10 Fr. Franksville (Shoreland Lutheran)
Amanda Bauman G 5-8 Fr. Marion
Amanda Dempsey G 5-10 Fr. West Allis (Central)
Beth Garman G 5-10 Fr. Lake Mills
Danielle Heroux G 5-7 Fr. Oshkosh (North)
Becky Roberts G 5-6 Fr. Bessemer, Mich. (Johnston)
Erin Willkom G 5-7 Fr. Marshfield
No. Name Pos. Hgt. Yr. Hometown (High School)
11 Kelly O'Keef** G 5-10 Sr. Shorewood (Whitefish Bay Dominican)
14 Shannon Eggers* G 5-11 Sr. Council Bluffs, Iowa (Lewis Central)
20 Becky Knapp** G 5-6 Jr. West Allis (Hale)
22 Whitney Tyriver* G 6-0 So. Oshkosh (West)
34 Pam Fehring*** F 5-11 Sr. Hartford (Hartford Union)
42 Brittany Herrick*** F 6-0 Sr. Appleton (Xavier)
Jessica Abitz G 5-10 Fr. Franksville (Shoreland Lutheran)
Amanda Bauman G 5-8 Fr. Marion
Amanda Dempsey G 5-10 Fr. West Allis (Central)
Beth Garman G 5-10 Fr. Lake Mills
Danielle Heroux G 5-7 Fr. Oshkosh (North)
Becky Roberts G 5-6 Fr. Bessemer, Mich. (Johnston)
Erin Willkom G 5-7 Fr. Marshfield
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on October 20, 2005, 06:17:39 AM
Post by: kluch on October 20, 2005, 06:17:39 AM
WOW, what a change for the lady Titans.
I am going out on a limb and giving Brittany Herrick preseason POY props. She's a legit WIAC baller, now if she can stay healthy and have enough stamina to stay on the court.
Mader was a big piece to the UWO frontcourt puzzle and now they have to rely on Pam Fehring in the post. eek.
I am going out on a limb and giving Brittany Herrick preseason POY props. She's a legit WIAC baller, now if she can stay healthy and have enough stamina to stay on the court.
Mader was a big piece to the UWO frontcourt puzzle and now they have to rely on Pam Fehring in the post. eek.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 20, 2005, 01:56:19 PM
Post by: buf on October 20, 2005, 01:56:19 PM
Only 2 posts (Herrick, Fehring), with only Herrick getting regular playing time from last year. OUCH. UWO better hope no injuries nor foul trouble happen to these two this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 21, 2005, 03:03:57 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 21, 2005, 03:03:57 PM
Here's a couple more rosters to tide us over until opening day:
UW-River Falls: http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0506/wbb.roster.2006.html
As usual, two of the three new kids are from Minnesota, so their recruiting class will remain a mystery until play begins.
UW-Stevens Point: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006roster.htm
Looks like SP has put two decent recruiting classes together, whcih will be important since they are a bit thin on Juniors and Seniors. Nelson, a D-II transfer, could be an important piece. I remember her from her high school days.
UW-River Falls: http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0506/wbb.roster.2006.html
As usual, two of the three new kids are from Minnesota, so their recruiting class will remain a mystery until play begins.
UW-Stevens Point: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006roster.htm
Looks like SP has put two decent recruiting classes together, whcih will be important since they are a bit thin on Juniors and Seniors. Nelson, a D-II transfer, could be an important piece. I remember her from her high school days.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on October 23, 2005, 12:41:43 PM
Post by: buckets on October 23, 2005, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: buf on October 20, 2005, 01:56:19 PM
Only 2 posts (Herrick, Fehring), with only Herrick getting regular playing time from last year. OUCH. UWO better hope no injuries nor foul trouble happen to these two this year.
Time will tell about the Titans this season. Does anybody know much about these recruits? I think one of the better recruiting classes has to be Point. The DeForest kid will be one of the leagues great players by the time she is a senior and the kid from Hurley isn't bad either. They will be a good class!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 25, 2005, 02:34:22 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 25, 2005, 02:34:22 PM
Another bunch of rosters have popped up in the last few days:
UW-Eau Claire: http://www.uwec.edu/Athletics/wbkb/0506/roster_num.htm
Muggenborg is a huge pickup for the Blugolds. She could be in the starting lineup from Day 1. The freshman appear to be a deep and strong class (and large! 10 of them!).
UW-La Crosse: http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/roster/
Speaking of freshmen, the Eagles have 12! (Although I'm pretty sure Fall played at UWEC, so I doubt she's actually a freshman.) Hunter is a real steal for them. Maybe LC finally gets out of the bottom half of the league...next year.
UW-Platteville: http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/05-06/roster.html
A very typical Platteville recruiting class, some decent kids, but no real standouts. They will always work hard and be tough to beat though.
That leaves just Stout, Superior and Whitewater without a new roster posted.
UW-Eau Claire: http://www.uwec.edu/Athletics/wbkb/0506/roster_num.htm
Muggenborg is a huge pickup for the Blugolds. She could be in the starting lineup from Day 1. The freshman appear to be a deep and strong class (and large! 10 of them!).
UW-La Crosse: http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/roster/
Speaking of freshmen, the Eagles have 12! (Although I'm pretty sure Fall played at UWEC, so I doubt she's actually a freshman.) Hunter is a real steal for them. Maybe LC finally gets out of the bottom half of the league...next year.
UW-Platteville: http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/05-06/roster.html
A very typical Platteville recruiting class, some decent kids, but no real standouts. They will always work hard and be tough to beat though.
That leaves just Stout, Superior and Whitewater without a new roster posted.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 25, 2005, 03:09:54 PM
Post by: buf on October 25, 2005, 03:09:54 PM
Looks like Just Bill barely beat me at posting the UWEC roster. To add to what he posted, UWEC with just 2 seniors (Becker, Van Drasek) and no juniors. A lot of freshman on the roster. In my opinion, from looking at their high school careers, newcomers to watch are Rachel Muggenborg, Heidi A., & Brit. Hakanson. Also, Heather Witt was listed as one of the Fab 40 high school seniors by WBBY magazine(I haven't seen her play). In addition, one or two of the tall girls should get some PT because all EC has coming back in the center position is Van Drasek.
Fall played 2 years ago as a freshman for UWEC. She actually was the leading scorer in the Blue-Gold game. In that game she showed good poise and quickness around the basket. I was a bit surprised she didn't play more her freshman year. The only "knock" I could find on her was she was undersized for playing underneath the hoop. If she improves her outside shooting, she could be a good WIAC player.
My total guess at starting 5 for EC:
R. Becker
Muggenborg
Heidi A
Burns
Van Drasek
It looks like they will have some decent backups when you consider they lost 5 seniors last year. In my opinion, on paper this is Englund's best recruiting class.
Fall played 2 years ago as a freshman for UWEC. She actually was the leading scorer in the Blue-Gold game. In that game she showed good poise and quickness around the basket. I was a bit surprised she didn't play more her freshman year. The only "knock" I could find on her was she was undersized for playing underneath the hoop. If she improves her outside shooting, she could be a good WIAC player.
My total guess at starting 5 for EC:
R. Becker
Muggenborg
Heidi A
Burns
Van Drasek
It looks like they will have some decent backups when you consider they lost 5 seniors last year. In my opinion, on paper this is Englund's best recruiting class.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 27, 2005, 01:44:53 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 27, 2005, 01:44:53 PM
Another roster:
UW-Whitewater: http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/roster.cfm
Goodness! Another enormous crop of freshmen. Can't anyone retain kids anymore? I don't have a lot of knowledge about this class, but they will be necessary to support the starting five.
UW-Whitewater: http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/roster.cfm
Goodness! Another enormous crop of freshmen. Can't anyone retain kids anymore? I don't have a lot of knowledge about this class, but they will be necessary to support the starting five.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 27, 2005, 04:26:17 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 27, 2005, 04:26:17 PM
Kluch, my friend. You are crazy...
Lets not forget Duoss in Stout. I am a huge fan of Herrick and love her to death. Until she shows she can beat her down low. Duoss is still the biggest factor in this conference.
Anyone else think Stout is the preseason number 1??
Lets not forget Duoss in Stout. I am a huge fan of Herrick and love her to death. Until she shows she can beat her down low. Duoss is still the biggest factor in this conference.
Anyone else think Stout is the preseason number 1??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 27, 2005, 04:34:36 PM
Post by: BDB on October 27, 2005, 04:34:36 PM
Mr. Downtown,
Stout can be really outstanding if Douss toughens up a little.
The Devils play at Marquette and then two D-2 schools, Minnesota State-Mankato and St. Cloud State, before matching up with arch rival Eau Claire in the conference opener.
One thing is always for sure with the women Devils, they will run and they will pressure.
Stout can be really outstanding if Douss toughens up a little.
The Devils play at Marquette and then two D-2 schools, Minnesota State-Mankato and St. Cloud State, before matching up with arch rival Eau Claire in the conference opener.
One thing is always for sure with the women Devils, they will run and they will pressure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 03, 2005, 04:12:10 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 03, 2005, 04:12:10 PM
Here is the SID's preseason prediction poll:
1. Stout
2. Oshkosh
3. Stevens Point
4. Eau Claire
5. River Falls
6. Whitewater
7. La Crosse
8. Platteville
9. Superior
I think EC has been underrated and OSH overrated. I also think LC is a little too low and RF is a little too high.
1. Stout
2. Oshkosh
3. Stevens Point
4. Eau Claire
5. River Falls
6. Whitewater
7. La Crosse
8. Platteville
9. Superior
I think EC has been underrated and OSH overrated. I also think LC is a little too low and RF is a little too high.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 03, 2005, 04:26:04 PM
Post by: BDB on November 03, 2005, 04:26:04 PM
JB,
I guess I would switch Point and Oshy, but wow what a horserace after that. Thanks for the post!
I guess I would switch Point and Oshy, but wow what a horserace after that. Thanks for the post!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 03, 2005, 11:21:39 PM
Post by: buf on November 03, 2005, 11:21:39 PM
The Blu-Gold game was tonight. A lot of new faces this year. Van Drasek played the best that I have seen her. A couple newcomers who played really well were Britanni Hakanson and Heather Witt. Hankanson did her damage inside and outside and Witt gives 110% on the court. Many other newcomers played good. It looks like Englund brought in some good size also. And I guess Kristi Channing is going to help out the team this year after she gets done playing on Athletes In Action.
I have to give props to Englund and Moline for their hard work. These two women have "class" and it reflects right on the basketball program. Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about the mens program(head coach) at UWEC.
I have to give props to Englund and Moline for their hard work. These two women have "class" and it reflects right on the basketball program. Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about the mens program(head coach) at UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 04, 2005, 12:32:25 AM
Post by: bulk19 on November 04, 2005, 12:32:25 AM
Buf -
Good recap of the 'Golds intrasquad game. Not much to add... With the band, dancers and cheerleaders/stunts groups, the place was really rocking, considering it was just an intrasquad game....
And I agree that Coach Englund and staff is class, and her program reflects it...
Good recap of the 'Golds intrasquad game. Not much to add... With the band, dancers and cheerleaders/stunts groups, the place was really rocking, considering it was just an intrasquad game....
And I agree that Coach Englund and staff is class, and her program reflects it...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 04, 2005, 01:36:04 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 04, 2005, 01:36:04 PM
QuoteI think EC has been underrated and OSH overrated. I also think LC is a little too low and RF is a little too high.
To be honest, I agree that EC and Lax are too low after being at Media Day.
However Oshkosh really deserves to be #2 just because Stevens Point this year has nobody down low right now, and their plan of action is to have their guards post up.
Hmm...guards against Herrick/Duoss/Becker. Yeah, not going to be pretty.
Stevens Point is your overrated team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 04, 2005, 03:21:01 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 04, 2005, 03:21:01 PM
Downtown,
Who is Larry Graham at the Oshkosh Northwestern? What a dope. "Becky" O'Keefe?
Who is Larry Graham at the Oshkosh Northwestern? What a dope. "Becky" O'Keefe?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on November 04, 2005, 06:18:52 PM
Post by: titansrus on November 04, 2005, 06:18:52 PM
Alright, here's my power rankings on the ladies side of things after sitting in on Media Day.
1. Stout
2. Eau Claire
3. Oshkosh
4. La Crosse
5. Stevens Point
6. Whitewater
7. Platteville
8. River Falls
9. Superior
1. Stout
2. Eau Claire
3. Oshkosh
4. La Crosse
5. Stevens Point
6. Whitewater
7. Platteville
8. River Falls
9. Superior
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 05, 2005, 01:18:15 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 05, 2005, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 04, 2005, 03:21:01 PM
Downtown,
Who is Larry Graham at the Oshkosh Northwestern? What a dope. "Becky" O'Keefe?
Saw that. Shook my head, but that's the Northwestern for you at times. Maybe they're concentrating too hard on their High School fantasy football teams.
Title: Karma Karma Karma Chameleon
Post by: titan2000 on November 06, 2005, 05:11:05 PM
Post by: titan2000 on November 06, 2005, 05:11:05 PM
I need your karma points. Pat is randomly adding to my totals. He just doesn't know that I know. Please help get me going in the right direction.
Downtown and voft, I just gave you each one.
Downtown and voft, I just gave you each one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 06, 2005, 07:54:41 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 06, 2005, 07:54:41 PM
I have no idea how to give "karma" on here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2005, 06:23:22 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2005, 06:23:22 PM
voft,
That's because you can't vote karma 'til you have more posts (200, I think).
Titan2000,
In almost every case I've seen, those who beg for karma almost always take a hit in karma!
That's because you can't vote karma 'til you have more posts (200, I think).
Titan2000,
In almost every case I've seen, those who beg for karma almost always take a hit in karma!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: padmofu on November 07, 2005, 07:08:08 PM
Post by: padmofu on November 07, 2005, 07:08:08 PM
Are any of the WIAC womens teams scrimmaging D-1 schools besides Pville?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 08, 2005, 10:12:18 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 08, 2005, 10:12:18 AM
There, I gave you one 2K, if for no other reason that to get you to stop your incessant pleading. ;)
Karma points are stupid.
WHITEWATER[/color] has a nice group of freshman, some of whom will probably see significant time on the floor this year. We'll have more depth, be quicker and have better outside shooting if things pan out the way it looks. Overall I think we'll be an improved team though we're probably a couple years away from challenging the league's heavy hitters. But this may be the best class of new players we've added in some time.
Good luck KC
Karma points are stupid.
WHITEWATER[/color] has a nice group of freshman, some of whom will probably see significant time on the floor this year. We'll have more depth, be quicker and have better outside shooting if things pan out the way it looks. Overall I think we'll be an improved team though we're probably a couple years away from challenging the league's heavy hitters. But this may be the best class of new players we've added in some time.
Good luck KC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2005, 10:23:04 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2005, 10:23:04 AM
Quote from: padmofu on November 07, 2005, 07:08:08 PM
Are any of the WIAC womens teams scrimmaging D-1 schools besides Pville?
Stout scrimmages Marquette on Sunday 11/13. I think that's the only other one on the women's side this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 16, 2005, 02:37:33 PM
Post by: buf on November 16, 2005, 02:37:33 PM
Since its 2 days from the start of the season, I will give my predictions for the conference.
1. Stout: One word, Duoss! L. Geissler and Hendricks should also be solid. Offensive production at the point could be a problem.
2. UWO: I know, I know, they lost Mader and their coach, however they've got to be the most experienced team in the league and there is a lot of talent in the starting lineup. Weakness has got to be depth.
3. Point: Good recruiting the last couple years puts them here. With Nechuta and Scott gone, the post will be a problem, at least early on.
4. EC: Although 5 seniors are gone, Englunds best recruiting class will keep them in contention. Inexperienced players and a tough early schedule could result in some early losses.
5. LAX: This team is headed in the right direction. Good recruiting class this year. Can they step up into the top of the conference?
6. UWP: 4 starters returning. What do they have after that?
7. WW: Always plays tough at home but lost some players.
8. RF: I could have them too low. I would like to see more consistant play from them.
9. Sup: Need more talent. Its just a tough place to recruit.
I can see any of the top 4 winning the conference. LAX is my team to watch out for. They could break up the traditional top four.
1. Stout: One word, Duoss! L. Geissler and Hendricks should also be solid. Offensive production at the point could be a problem.
2. UWO: I know, I know, they lost Mader and their coach, however they've got to be the most experienced team in the league and there is a lot of talent in the starting lineup. Weakness has got to be depth.
3. Point: Good recruiting the last couple years puts them here. With Nechuta and Scott gone, the post will be a problem, at least early on.
4. EC: Although 5 seniors are gone, Englunds best recruiting class will keep them in contention. Inexperienced players and a tough early schedule could result in some early losses.
5. LAX: This team is headed in the right direction. Good recruiting class this year. Can they step up into the top of the conference?
6. UWP: 4 starters returning. What do they have after that?
7. WW: Always plays tough at home but lost some players.
8. RF: I could have them too low. I would like to see more consistant play from them.
9. Sup: Need more talent. Its just a tough place to recruit.
I can see any of the top 4 winning the conference. LAX is my team to watch out for. They could break up the traditional top four.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 17, 2005, 08:25:14 AM
Post by: BDB on November 17, 2005, 08:25:14 AM
The BlueDevil Bash last night was a blast. Everyone had a chance to meet the teams and participate in something.
BlueDevil Bob made it to round 3 in the free throw shooting contest, then bounced one off the back of the rim and found his rightful place...right back in the stands where I belong.
Congrats to Coach Thomas and Coach Andrist for putting on a great event for everyone that attended. :)
BlueDevil Bob made it to round 3 in the free throw shooting contest, then bounced one off the back of the rim and found his rightful place...right back in the stands where I belong.
Congrats to Coach Thomas and Coach Andrist for putting on a great event for everyone that attended. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2005, 10:56:54 PM
Post by: buf on November 19, 2005, 10:56:54 PM
UWEC 77
Webster 55
Brittanni Hakanson led EC with 20pts and 8rebs. EC plays the #1 ranked and defending champion Millikin tomorrow, who defeated Webster by 22pts also Friday night.
Some other WIAC scores:
UWO 58
Carroll 71
Carroll shoots 60% while exploiting UWO down in the post.
RF 54
Kalamazoo 63
UWP 48
Lake Forest 52
Stout 75
St. Cloud St. 92
UWL 68
Rockford 65
UWW 85
Nebraska Wesleyan 71
Webster 55
Brittanni Hakanson led EC with 20pts and 8rebs. EC plays the #1 ranked and defending champion Millikin tomorrow, who defeated Webster by 22pts also Friday night.
Some other WIAC scores:
UWO 58
Carroll 71
Carroll shoots 60% while exploiting UWO down in the post.
RF 54
Kalamazoo 63
UWP 48
Lake Forest 52
Stout 75
St. Cloud St. 92
UWL 68
Rockford 65
UWW 85
Nebraska Wesleyan 71
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2005, 04:57:02 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2005, 04:57:02 PM
Halftime score:
EC 30
Millikin 37
Both teams shooting good from 3. The difference is the fouls EC is commiting going for the offensive boards (over-the-back). Also EC's three posts have 2 fouls each and were in foul trouble throughout.
EC 30
Millikin 37
Both teams shooting good from 3. The difference is the fouls EC is commiting going for the offensive boards (over-the-back). Also EC's three posts have 2 fouls each and were in foul trouble throughout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2005, 05:43:35 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2005, 05:43:35 PM
Final
EC 55
#1Millikin 77
After playing even for the first 15min of the game, Millikin dominates the rest of the game. Millikin hit a bunch of 3s. EC shoots 29% for the game, with Burns really struggling. EC will have to put this loss behind them and look forward to their Thanksgiving tournament.
EC 55
#1Millikin 77
After playing even for the first 15min of the game, Millikin dominates the rest of the game. Millikin hit a bunch of 3s. EC shoots 29% for the game, with Burns really struggling. EC will have to put this loss behind them and look forward to their Thanksgiving tournament.
Title: Opening Weekend
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2005, 04:02:36 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2005, 04:02:36 PM
Interesting opening weekend in the WIAC:
EC falls to Millikin, which is about what you would expect. EC is so young, I would expect this would be a much closer game if played late in the season.
SP wins two against opponents they should handle.
Stout with an impressive win over D-II Mankato and a respectable loss to St. Cloud State. They sure look like the real deal.
Oshkosh loses to Carroll? Wow! I thought Oshkosh was a little overrated, but I wouldn't have expected them to lose that game. Maybe that short bench hurt them on the second game in two days?
LC with two solid wins. I would expect a WIAC to handle Rockford more easily than that at home, but given LC's history 2-0 is a great start.
Don't know much about Colorado Coll. but I would have expected WW to win that game.
PLT and RF get splits and hey! Superior is 1-0!
EC falls to Millikin, which is about what you would expect. EC is so young, I would expect this would be a much closer game if played late in the season.
SP wins two against opponents they should handle.
Stout with an impressive win over D-II Mankato and a respectable loss to St. Cloud State. They sure look like the real deal.
Oshkosh loses to Carroll? Wow! I thought Oshkosh was a little overrated, but I wouldn't have expected them to lose that game. Maybe that short bench hurt them on the second game in two days?
LC with two solid wins. I would expect a WIAC to handle Rockford more easily than that at home, but given LC's history 2-0 is a great start.
Don't know much about Colorado Coll. but I would have expected WW to win that game.
PLT and RF get splits and hey! Superior is 1-0!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2005, 04:07:50 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2005, 04:07:50 PM
Ooops, I see that LC's win over Rockford was at Rockford, so that makes that a better win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 21, 2005, 07:55:01 PM
Post by: billys on November 21, 2005, 07:55:01 PM
Long time reader, first time poster. I see it's the same people all the time so I had to shake things up.
In regards to the win by LC at Rockford. Last season Rockford went 22-6 and made the NCAA Tournament. Granted there are weak NCAA Tournament teams but Rockford and Oshkosh met last season and Oshkosh who was at the time #1 in the nation, beat them by 2.
Fast forward with Rockford returning all 5 starters and I would say LC, with what also appears to be a young team, got a very quality win on the road. Looking at other boards people are expecting big things from Rockford.
Stout definitely appears to be legit. Mankato only beat Viterbo College by 7 earlier in the week so I'm not sure how strong they are. But a win over a D-2 is a win over a D-2.
Agreed with Oshkosh and the short bench. I thought the same thing when I looked at the box scores. They'll probably be fine, just really tired the next morning.
GO SUPERIOR. I see there's finally a roster up.
Curious if badgerwarhawk has any word on his squad. I see Megan Baker did not play either game in Colorado
In regards to the win by LC at Rockford. Last season Rockford went 22-6 and made the NCAA Tournament. Granted there are weak NCAA Tournament teams but Rockford and Oshkosh met last season and Oshkosh who was at the time #1 in the nation, beat them by 2.
Fast forward with Rockford returning all 5 starters and I would say LC, with what also appears to be a young team, got a very quality win on the road. Looking at other boards people are expecting big things from Rockford.
Stout definitely appears to be legit. Mankato only beat Viterbo College by 7 earlier in the week so I'm not sure how strong they are. But a win over a D-2 is a win over a D-2.
Agreed with Oshkosh and the short bench. I thought the same thing when I looked at the box scores. They'll probably be fine, just really tired the next morning.
GO SUPERIOR. I see there's finally a roster up.
Curious if badgerwarhawk has any word on his squad. I see Megan Baker did not play either game in Colorado
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 22, 2005, 10:37:54 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 22, 2005, 10:37:54 AM
I hear a lot about how great Rockford is, but every time I see them they don't impress me. They are the best team in one of the worst leagues in the country. To me, that doesn't account for much. Once they beat someone in the NCAA Tournament, then I'll listen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 22, 2005, 03:31:51 PM
Post by: billys on November 22, 2005, 03:31:51 PM
Fair enough. I still feel like having five experienced starters back for Rockford and UW-L losing their best player to injury in the first half made it a great win for their program.
Their loss last year in the tournament also came in a great game with Ripon who, in turn, had a pretty good game at Stout. Oshkosh beating them by only 2 with the start they had last year also seemed impressive. I haven't seen them though so I was going on what I've read and playing some comparisons. Seeing how LC probably lost by a lot to Oshkosh last year, it would seem at the very least they've made a big improvement.
Still feel WW might be a team to watch with their youth and improving athleticism.
Their loss last year in the tournament also came in a great game with Ripon who, in turn, had a pretty good game at Stout. Oshkosh beating them by only 2 with the start they had last year also seemed impressive. I haven't seen them though so I was going on what I've read and playing some comparisons. Seeing how LC probably lost by a lot to Oshkosh last year, it would seem at the very least they've made a big improvement.
Still feel WW might be a team to watch with their youth and improving athleticism.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2005, 08:58:15 PM
Post by: buf on November 22, 2005, 08:58:15 PM
Saint Norbert over UWEC 61-47. From looking at the boxscore, the only EC player that played well was Burns. The Hakanson sisters did decent as well. To UWEC's defense, they have played 3 games in 4 days and traveled a lot. They need to regroup in a hurry and get ready for their tough Thanksgiving Tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2005, 10:47:52 PM
Post by: buf on November 22, 2005, 10:47:52 PM
Hello!!!!!!!!!!!
Oshkosh rebounds from their loss with a whopping 88-23 victory over Concordia, IL.
WW over Cardinal Stritch in a game they trailed most of the way.
Oshkosh rebounds from their loss with a whopping 88-23 victory over Concordia, IL.
WW over Cardinal Stritch in a game they trailed most of the way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on November 23, 2005, 07:36:33 AM
Post by: titan2000 on November 23, 2005, 07:36:33 AM
Why didn't we just play Oshkosh West HS and get a better game?
Do games like this do a team any good?
Do games like this do a team any good?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 23, 2005, 09:12:06 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 23, 2005, 09:12:06 AM
For a team with a short bench and 6 frosh on their roster, a game like that doesn't hurt at all.
And we only get 2 NC games at West, so that was out of the question.
And we only get 2 NC games at West, so that was out of the question.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2005, 12:43:45 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2005, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: billys on November 21, 2005, 07:55:01 PM
Curious if badgerwarhawk has any word on his squad. I see Megan Baker did not play either game in Colorado
Megan is injured and it's unclear if and when she'll be ready to play this year. That's a big loss to a young team. Hopefully she'll be on the court at some point.
This year's team is young but it should be an improvement over last year's version. They're more athletic and quicker. Plus they've added some size too. Last night's win over Cardinal Stritch was a good one. That's a decent NAIA program who consistantly plays the WIAC schools tough and often beats them.
Keep an eye on Lindsey Buecher. I think she's going to step up and stand out this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2005, 03:50:49 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2005, 03:50:49 PM
BW,
Thanks for the info. Is Baker's injury related to the injury that kept her out all last year, or is it something new?
WIAC has gone 0-3 against the Midwest Conference, with traditional powers EC and OSH taking two of the hits. That could make a big difference come NCAA tournament selection time.
Thanks for the info. Is Baker's injury related to the injury that kept her out all last year, or is it something new?
WIAC has gone 0-3 against the Midwest Conference, with traditional powers EC and OSH taking two of the hits. That could make a big difference come NCAA tournament selection time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2005, 09:09:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2005, 09:09:15 PM
No, it's a different injury. :(
I wonder if Stout is going to dominate this year?
I wonder if Stout is going to dominate this year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2005, 11:39:50 PM
Post by: buf on November 25, 2005, 11:39:50 PM
UWEC 60
St. Scholastica 48
Burns had a big game (18pts, 14rebs) after a few missed bunnies early on. EC's defense looked pretty good, but St. Sch. was a small team. EC needs to knock down the outside shots, which seems like a weakness for yet another year. The first game had Luther winning by 32 over Gustavus. Luther is big and skilled underneath the basket. This will be a huge mismatch for EC as it was tonight for the smaller Gustavus team. EC will have to have a hell of a game tomorrow night if they are to win
St. Scholastica 48
Burns had a big game (18pts, 14rebs) after a few missed bunnies early on. EC's defense looked pretty good, but St. Sch. was a small team. EC needs to knock down the outside shots, which seems like a weakness for yet another year. The first game had Luther winning by 32 over Gustavus. Luther is big and skilled underneath the basket. This will be a huge mismatch for EC as it was tonight for the smaller Gustavus team. EC will have to have a hell of a game tomorrow night if they are to win
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 26, 2005, 11:23:54 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 26, 2005, 11:23:54 PM
UWEC 64, Luther College 59...
Blugolds played some clutch defense in the last three minutes, getting a few tournovers and stops to win this game after Luther closed it to 56-53 with three minutes left to play...
Rachel Becker provided the leadership and determination down the stretch, and was named to the all tournament team, as was Michelle Burns, named tournament MVP.
Brittanni Hakanson had a big second half, hitting some key shots and providing a spark for the Blugolds...
Without the benefit of the stats, I can't say how much Luther's post players contributed offensively, but they were a force on the boards, and defensively...They've got a nice team....
Thanks to the Norse, Gustavus Adolphus and St. Scholastica players/coaches and fans for giving up/spending their Thanksgiving weekend in EC for this tournament...
Blugolds played some clutch defense in the last three minutes, getting a few tournovers and stops to win this game after Luther closed it to 56-53 with three minutes left to play...
Rachel Becker provided the leadership and determination down the stretch, and was named to the all tournament team, as was Michelle Burns, named tournament MVP.
Brittanni Hakanson had a big second half, hitting some key shots and providing a spark for the Blugolds...
Without the benefit of the stats, I can't say how much Luther's post players contributed offensively, but they were a force on the boards, and defensively...They've got a nice team....
Thanks to the Norse, Gustavus Adolphus and St. Scholastica players/coaches and fans for giving up/spending their Thanksgiving weekend in EC for this tournament...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:30:09 PM
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:30:09 PM
Luther 59
EC 64
Balanced effort by the Blugolds. Burns(Tournament MVP) and Hakanson led the way in scoring, Becker and Muggenborg playing good floor games for EC. I saw a lot of improvement from last nights game to the 2nd half of the game tonight. Hope the BGs can keep it up as they play yet another tough team on Wednesday when they travel to rival Stout.
Anybody else have any insights on their teams? Please post! I love this website and message board but it has become less and less sparce the last few years. Do we have to bring back GL to get this page active again?
EC 64
Balanced effort by the Blugolds. Burns(Tournament MVP) and Hakanson led the way in scoring, Becker and Muggenborg playing good floor games for EC. I saw a lot of improvement from last nights game to the 2nd half of the game tonight. Hope the BGs can keep it up as they play yet another tough team on Wednesday when they travel to rival Stout.
Anybody else have any insights on their teams? Please post! I love this website and message board but it has become less and less sparce the last few years. Do we have to bring back GL to get this page active again?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:33:26 PM
Post by: buf on November 26, 2005, 11:33:26 PM
Looks like Bulk19 beat me to post the game summary! What do you think EC's chances are agaist Stout?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 27, 2005, 12:21:26 AM
Post by: bulk19 on November 27, 2005, 12:21:26 AM
Buf - I've got to give credit where credit is due - Stout... Let's just say I'll be picking that game with my heart... ;)
But then again, I won't be surprised if there is what would be considered be an upset, should the 'Golds win... This is the WIAC, after all. Ha.
Didn't see last night's game, and the rest have been on the road. But I liked what I saw in the Blue & Gold game earlier this season. The 'Golds will have a competitive team this year, despite the youth. Perhaps even underrated...
So, have I hedged my bets enough??
:)
I'm really interested in seeing the Pointers team this year...
But then again, I won't be surprised if there is what would be considered be an upset, should the 'Golds win... This is the WIAC, after all. Ha.
Didn't see last night's game, and the rest have been on the road. But I liked what I saw in the Blue & Gold game earlier this season. The 'Golds will have a competitive team this year, despite the youth. Perhaps even underrated...
So, have I hedged my bets enough??
:)
I'm really interested in seeing the Pointers team this year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2005, 01:16:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2005, 01:16:41 PM
The WARHAWKS[/color] took the lead, 23-21, for good on a lay up by Amy Morris with about 5 1/2 minutes remaining in the first half and built it to seven points, 36-29, by halftime. A 33-12 run in the second half built the lead to it's biggest differential, 23 points, before Lake Forest closed the gap against substitutes and the game ended 83-70. Jessica Wendt led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points. Lindsey Buecher added 13, Morris finished with 12 points and 7 rebounds and freshman Lindsey Gerber rounded out the double figure scorers with 10 points off the bench. The WARHAWKS[/color] out rebounded Lake Forest 42-29.
The win pushes WHITEWATER'S[/color] record to 3-1. Conference play begins Wednesday night vs LaCrosse. The team got a big boost when Meagan Baker was cleared to begin playing. She should be available for Wednesday matchup.
The win pushes WHITEWATER'S[/color] record to 3-1. Conference play begins Wednesday night vs LaCrosse. The team got a big boost when Meagan Baker was cleared to begin playing. She should be available for Wednesday matchup.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2005, 08:58:17 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2005, 08:58:17 PM
Point loses 80-63 to Illinois Wesleyan!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2005, 10:06:04 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2005, 10:06:04 AM
I wasn't terribly surprised by the Point score. By most accounts IWU is nearly as good as Milikin and Wheaton in the CCIW, plus Point played a pretty solid North Central team on the road the day before, while IWU got to use a lot of kids in a home game against Aurora.
Privately, I imagine SP is cotent to come back from that tough road trip at 1-1.
Privately, I imagine SP is cotent to come back from that tough road trip at 1-1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 29, 2005, 07:12:58 PM
Post by: foul_language on November 29, 2005, 07:12:58 PM
I'll be interested in how the LaCrosse women do this year. Ashley Fall, who couldn't get off the bench in Eau Claire, seems to be flourishing at UW-LAX. I like that. I looked at the Eau Claire recruits for the past several seasons and noted how few of them appear on the roster after the first year. Not having done the same research for other schools, I don't know if that's normal or not. I wondered earlier why someone with talent would go to an already overloaded program rather than try to help build something for a weaker program. What do recruiting coaches tell these people and how long does it take to discover a lot of it is smoke?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: padmofu on November 30, 2005, 10:02:42 PM
Post by: padmofu on November 30, 2005, 10:02:42 PM
Oshkosh 69 Point 62
This game was neck & neck before Kelly O'Keef started to shoot the lights out in the second half. Either one of these teams could make a strong case for winning conference this year. The Titans could really afford to grab a few more offensive boards though. HAIL TITANS
This game was neck & neck before Kelly O'Keef started to shoot the lights out in the second half. Either one of these teams could make a strong case for winning conference this year. The Titans could really afford to grab a few more offensive boards though. HAIL TITANS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 30, 2005, 10:54:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 30, 2005, 10:54:40 PM
WARHAWKS[/color] play tough for 20 minutes and have a tie, 35-35, at halftime. But dismal shooting in the second half, a woeful 29%, and turnovers doomed the young team, 76-64. LaCrosse controlled the boards 45-33. We just missed a lot of inside shots and couldn't get a contact foul called.
LaCrosse has a nice team. They're very athletic and Abby Johnson is a horse underneath.
Lindsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points and Amy Morris chipped in 11. Johnson and Hunter Mckenzie had 16 apiece for the Eagle.
FLanguage, Ashely Fall played well, if sparingly. She had 7 points and 10 rebounds in 12 minutes.
LaCrosse has a nice team. They're very athletic and Abby Johnson is a horse underneath.
Lindsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points and Amy Morris chipped in 11. Johnson and Hunter Mckenzie had 16 apiece for the Eagle.
FLanguage, Ashely Fall played well, if sparingly. She had 7 points and 10 rebounds in 12 minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 30, 2005, 11:01:38 PM
Post by: buf on November 30, 2005, 11:01:38 PM
Stout over EC 82-62. After doing a good job on Duoss in the first half, EC couldn't stop her in the second. Stout would just lob the ball in and she would come down with it and score. EC did pretty well offensively, but defensively was a different story.
Way too many fouls were called in the game. Both teams were in the double bonus with like 7min left in each half. Burns played a whole 9min due to foul trouble and most of those minutes were late second half.
Muggenborg and Ashley Anderson played well tonight for EC. Muggenborg provided some outside shooting and Anderson did well in the post.
Stout shot really well from the outside tonight. You know Stout is hot shooting when #2 makes a 3.
Way too many fouls were called in the game. Both teams were in the double bonus with like 7min left in each half. Burns played a whole 9min due to foul trouble and most of those minutes were late second half.
Muggenborg and Ashley Anderson played well tonight for EC. Muggenborg provided some outside shooting and Anderson did well in the post.
Stout shot really well from the outside tonight. You know Stout is hot shooting when #2 makes a 3.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 30, 2005, 11:08:55 PM
Post by: buf on November 30, 2005, 11:08:55 PM
I'm not quite sure what the story on Ashley Fall is. She led EC in scoring in the Blue-Gold game her freshman year. The next year (last year) she was listed in EC's preseason preview but was not at the Blue-Gold game. I'm guessing she quit the team???? When she did play, it looked like she had some good post moves and court awareness, although she was undersized for a post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 01, 2005, 11:56:21 AM
Post by: Collegeville Magic on December 01, 2005, 11:56:21 AM
Foul- regarding your question on recruiting. As a fan of team (St. Ben's) who has had a history of strong recruits coming into talented teams, I can say it's mostly a question of attitude.
Good programs attract good players because they know they won't have to carry the load alone for 4 years. I don't know all that many head coaches (besides ours) personally, but I doubt that there's "smoke" involved.
If I were a talented kid coming out of high school, I'd rather contribute on a contending team than play 35 minutes per night for a team in the building stages.
That having been said, some kids have big enough egos that they can't/won't accept playing a smaller role, and need to be the main attraction like they were in high school.
Go BLAZERS!!!!!
Good programs attract good players because they know they won't have to carry the load alone for 4 years. I don't know all that many head coaches (besides ours) personally, but I doubt that there's "smoke" involved.
If I were a talented kid coming out of high school, I'd rather contribute on a contending team than play 35 minutes per night for a team in the building stages.
That having been said, some kids have big enough egos that they can't/won't accept playing a smaller role, and need to be the main attraction like they were in high school.
Go BLAZERS!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 01, 2005, 01:24:32 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 01, 2005, 01:24:32 PM
Watch out for UW-Oshkosh. I know it might be early, but when Eggers is one reb. and Assist away from a triple double, and Herrick and O'Keef score over 20 each (and have that potential every game), along with tough defense players in Knapp and Tyriver this actually might be a better season then many thought for the Titans.
And Coach Schumacher is claiming that the Offense is not in full force yet, I can't wait to see when it does.
Next Saturday is the epic match up once again: Stout/Oshkosh, Duoss/Herrick.
I'm pumped
And Coach Schumacher is claiming that the Offense is not in full force yet, I can't wait to see when it does.
Next Saturday is the epic match up once again: Stout/Oshkosh, Duoss/Herrick.
I'm pumped
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2005, 01:33:10 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2005, 01:33:10 PM
No one doubts the Titans talent. We'll just have to see what happens late in the season if the top Titans continue to play 33+ minutes per game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 01, 2005, 01:41:36 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 01, 2005, 01:41:36 PM
I've never seen a Terri Schumacher team have problems with conditioning, wether the team is deep or not. I was good to see UWO respond to a push by another team, and answer with a run of their own to close out a game. Lechault didn't have a great offensive game, but she was a force in the post. Herrick took her game to the FT area, and that was a big difference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 01, 2005, 09:53:31 PM
Post by: buf on December 01, 2005, 09:53:31 PM
I agree with Just Bill. I think UWO probably has the best talent amoung the starters in this conference. If they continually stay out of foul trouble and have solid play defensively in the post, they will have a very good chance at winning conference. The question is, Can the starters stay out of foul trouble for 25+ games?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 01, 2005, 11:07:34 PM
Post by: billys on December 01, 2005, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: Collegeville Magic on December 01, 2005, 11:56:21 AM
That having been said, some kids have big enough egos that they can't/won't accept playing a smaller role, and need to be the main attraction like they were in high school.
Go BLAZERS!!!!!
What a misguided statement. So the only good players that will go to Whitewater, La Crosse, River Falls, and Platteville (teams looking to move up the ladder) are kids that have too big of egos to accept a smaller role for an established team. How disrespectful can you be to those kids? Maybe those kids are willing to help accept the challenge of turning the corner with a program. To insinuate that it's only kids with monster ego is ridiculous
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 01, 2005, 11:11:14 PM
Post by: billys on December 01, 2005, 11:11:14 PM
This week's poll
Stout 8th
Stevens Point RV (27th)
Oshkosh RV (37th)
La Crosse RV (42nd)
Stout 8th
Stevens Point RV (27th)
Oshkosh RV (37th)
La Crosse RV (42nd)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 02, 2005, 11:17:14 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 02, 2005, 11:17:14 AM
I sort of agree with billys, although not quite as forcefully. I don't think a player needs ego as much as a combination of confidence and hope to be willing to go to a weak program. I don't understand how ANY player, who has had success in basketball on any level, can believe sitting on the bench is the best contribution he or she can make to the DIII game. The chances of playing after college are slight, so why not get involved as much as possible in the time you have? Good players on losing teams get recognition for their efforts, if observers are honest. Good, hardworking basketball players deserve a venue; I don't think the bench is it.
I suspect the chanciness of recruiting at the DIII level is part of the problem. Coaches recruit three times as many people as they need and are confounded when all show up. However, I think it's the coach's responsibility at some early point to be honest with the recruit about how much playing time he or she can expect.
I suspect the chanciness of recruiting at the DIII level is part of the problem. Coaches recruit three times as many people as they need and are confounded when all show up. However, I think it's the coach's responsibility at some early point to be honest with the recruit about how much playing time he or she can expect.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 03, 2005, 10:14:50 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 03, 2005, 10:14:50 PM
UW-La Crosse 72, UWEC 63.
From a Blugold fan's perspective: The 'Golds were able to get the ball inside, got some good looks, too, but couldn't close out their shots. When they missed, the Eagles were there for the rebound, limiting the 'Golds to just one shot on several trips down the court.
Eagles' defense was impressive, too. Don't know how many times I saw them deflect the ball as it was going into the paint, causing a turnover, or making the 'Golds reload after chasing the ball down.
Eagles have a nice balance on offense, too. Good inside-outside game. Looks like this program is turning the corner.
Now, to the Eagles fans. The Blugolds are reloading/rebuilding this year, but we put 944 fans in the stands tonight, including a good crowd from La Crosse. You have an upstart team, on the rise! Get off your fannies and start filling up Mitchell Hall. You had 125 and 194 fans there the first two games this year.
This team is playing with confidence, is fun to watch, and is off to a great start!!! It deserves the proportional support that you give to say, the football team, that you have there, and can feed off that support to make this season something special.
From a Blugold fan's perspective: The 'Golds were able to get the ball inside, got some good looks, too, but couldn't close out their shots. When they missed, the Eagles were there for the rebound, limiting the 'Golds to just one shot on several trips down the court.
Eagles' defense was impressive, too. Don't know how many times I saw them deflect the ball as it was going into the paint, causing a turnover, or making the 'Golds reload after chasing the ball down.
Eagles have a nice balance on offense, too. Good inside-outside game. Looks like this program is turning the corner.
Now, to the Eagles fans. The Blugolds are reloading/rebuilding this year, but we put 944 fans in the stands tonight, including a good crowd from La Crosse. You have an upstart team, on the rise! Get off your fannies and start filling up Mitchell Hall. You had 125 and 194 fans there the first two games this year.
This team is playing with confidence, is fun to watch, and is off to a great start!!! It deserves the proportional support that you give to say, the football team, that you have there, and can feed off that support to make this season something special.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 03, 2005, 10:58:01 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 03, 2005, 10:58:01 PM
Not so pretty game in Menomonie tonight, if you're a Stout women's basketball fan. Looked suspiciously like Stouters didn't want to have to take shots, so they'd run the ball down the court and throw it to Platteville. Lest Platteville take offense and claim it was their stellar defense, I have to say that passing the ball in to Kelsey Duoss/Jenny McDermid/Dani Boese/______ when three P-ville players surrounded her says more about the thrower than the catcher.
Oddball line-ups probably contributed to Stout's oddball play. No one looked particularly comfortable on the court--Stout, I mean. P-ville appeared not to have any problem. If stirring up the line was meant to psych a team out, I think it worked perfectly; unfortunately, Stout seemed to be the team that got psyched out.
Three shots were flying; they just weren't hitting anything.
LaCrosse is looking good.
Oddball line-ups probably contributed to Stout's oddball play. No one looked particularly comfortable on the court--Stout, I mean. P-ville appeared not to have any problem. If stirring up the line was meant to psych a team out, I think it worked perfectly; unfortunately, Stout seemed to be the team that got psyched out.
Three shots were flying; they just weren't hitting anything.
LaCrosse is looking good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2005, 11:34:11 PM
Post by: buf on December 03, 2005, 11:34:11 PM
Can you say letdown?
UWP 63
Stout 54
At Stout
Looks like Duoss was the only one to show up for Stout.
Huge game for Stout and UWO on Wednesday
UWP 63
Stout 54
At Stout
Looks like Duoss was the only one to show up for Stout.
Huge game for Stout and UWO on Wednesday
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 03, 2005, 11:39:43 PM
Post by: billys on December 03, 2005, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on December 03, 2005, 10:14:50 PM
UW-La Crosse 72, UWEC 63.
Now, to the Eagles fans. The Blugolds are reloading/rebuilding this year, but we put 944 fans in the stands tonight, including a good crowd from La Crosse. You have an upstart team, on the rise! Get off your fannies and start filling up Mitchell Hall. You had 125 and 194 fans there the first two games this year.
Agreed. Platteville-La Crosse on Wednesday should be an interesting sidebar to Oshy and Stout (who still are the two most experienced teams at the top.
In La Crosse fans' defense. The two home games were on Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see next Saturday when they finally play a home game.
I know you say Eau Claire is rebuilding/reloading. But the team they played tonight had exactly zero seniors on the court itself. Their only senior, who happened to be first team all-conference last year, is probably out for the year with a knee injury according to the paper today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 04, 2005, 01:13:18 AM
Post by: bulk19 on December 04, 2005, 01:13:18 AM
billys -
I'll grant you the Thanksgiving Day absence of students in town. But I make my comments based on previous seasons, and last year, too, when the Eagles averaged 250+ fans per game, which was third last, ahead of Superior's 96 and UWRF's 183.
Stout led the conference in attendance at 1,134 per game; UWEC was second, at 881. Granted, winning teams fill the seats, and the women's program there has been down for a while... But now that you have a team that is winning, and young, and should only get better, get the fans in there to support them! ;)
Don't let that team be the best kept secret on campus the next four years!
Next weekend is a big home game for the Eagles. The Pointers are in town. No excuse that finals are approaching. Ha. Creative study break #1123 says to go to the game! Make assistant coach Vince "The Prince" Hamilton, who I watched play for the LaX Catbirds, feel like he's back in the old filled-up La Crosse Center!
I'll grant you the Thanksgiving Day absence of students in town. But I make my comments based on previous seasons, and last year, too, when the Eagles averaged 250+ fans per game, which was third last, ahead of Superior's 96 and UWRF's 183.
Stout led the conference in attendance at 1,134 per game; UWEC was second, at 881. Granted, winning teams fill the seats, and the women's program there has been down for a while... But now that you have a team that is winning, and young, and should only get better, get the fans in there to support them! ;)
Don't let that team be the best kept secret on campus the next four years!
Next weekend is a big home game for the Eagles. The Pointers are in town. No excuse that finals are approaching. Ha. Creative study break #1123 says to go to the game! Make assistant coach Vince "The Prince" Hamilton, who I watched play for the LaX Catbirds, feel like he's back in the old filled-up La Crosse Center!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 05, 2005, 10:47:47 PM
Post by: buf on December 05, 2005, 10:47:47 PM
Point loses at Carroll 90-88. Carroll beat UWO earlier this year by 13. It seems they are the real deal. And guess what... Carroll plays UWEC on Saturday! Can Carroll sweep 3 of the top teams in the WIAC over the past decade???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on December 06, 2005, 06:37:21 AM
Post by: kluch on December 06, 2005, 06:37:21 AM
Downtown,
You guys still thinking about coming down to Atlanta for the UW-O games?
You guys still thinking about coming down to Atlanta for the UW-O games?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2005, 10:46:08 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2005, 10:46:08 PM
Why did the UWSP starters sit at the beginning of the game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on December 06, 2005, 11:43:04 PM
Post by: cubs on December 06, 2005, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2005, 10:46:08 PM
Why did the UWSP starters sit at the beginning of the game?
It appears the "starters" started the 2nd Half on the bench as well.......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: digs on December 07, 2005, 12:54:10 PM
Post by: digs on December 07, 2005, 12:54:10 PM
If Eau Claire and Whitewater can pull out their games with Carroll and St Norbert respectively the WIAC can pull out a .500 year vs the mighty MWC. Looks like the tide is turning.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2005, 03:39:04 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2005, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2005, 10:46:08 PMThe coach offered one explanation in this game article, but I have a feeling there might be more to it than that.
Why did the UWSP starters sit at the beginning of the game?
http://www.wisinfo.com/journal/spjsports/290149560960534.shtml
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 07, 2005, 08:36:03 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 07, 2005, 08:36:03 PM
I would think there has to be more......I really can't see risking a regional loss because of "bigger" WIAC games during the week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 07, 2005, 10:40:42 PM
Post by: buf on December 07, 2005, 10:40:42 PM
EC loses to RF by 11. It seems both team shot alot of 3s, which is not a good thing for EC considering they are a poor outside shooting team.
After a good win against Luther, EC has taken a couple steps backward. I will give them to the New Year to start playing the way I think they can. If their play is not much better then, it will be a long year.
After a good win against Luther, EC has taken a couple steps backward. I will give them to the New Year to start playing the way I think they can. If their play is not much better then, it will be a long year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 08, 2005, 10:08:26 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 08, 2005, 10:08:26 AM
Well, whatever Point's motivation for juggling their line-up against Carroll, it seems to have worked. They put a hurtin' on the Warhawks tonight. They held WW to only 9 points over the first 15 minutes and led 49-20 at half.
La Crosse just keeps on keeping on, with a win in Platteville. Big early showdown between Point and La Crosse this weekend.
La Crosse just keeps on keeping on, with a win in Platteville. Big early showdown between Point and La Crosse this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 08, 2005, 10:40:51 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 08, 2005, 10:40:51 PM
Puh-lease, the biggest match up by far and away is at Oshkosh, Just Bill.
Now, I understand that Lax and Point game is big, but nothing is as big as the one at Kolf on Saturday.
Duoss is better then last year, but the team isn't
While right now, Oshkosh has the best starting 5 in the WIAC
my early predicition: Oshkosh wins in a squeaker
Now, I understand that Lax and Point game is big, but nothing is as big as the one at Kolf on Saturday.
Duoss is better then last year, but the team isn't
While right now, Oshkosh has the best starting 5 in the WIAC
my early predicition: Oshkosh wins in a squeaker
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 08, 2005, 11:28:38 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 08, 2005, 11:28:38 PM
ok so Oshkosh may and I want to emphasie MAY have the best starting 5. But, what do they have after that... LaX on the other hand has more then 5 great players and when the Titans and Eagles clash that will be a GAME!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2005, 10:03:06 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2005, 10:03:06 AM
Mr. Downtown,
I'm trying to find where I said the Point/La Crosse game was bigger than the Stout/Oshkosh game. It doesn't seem to be there.
Stop worrying about protecting your Titans turf all the time. Just enjoy the games.
I'm trying to find where I said the Point/La Crosse game was bigger than the Stout/Oshkosh game. It doesn't seem to be there.
Stop worrying about protecting your Titans turf all the time. Just enjoy the games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 09, 2005, 01:22:39 PM
Post by: BDB on December 09, 2005, 01:22:39 PM
Coach Thomas said yesterday at the Hoops Club luncheon that he thought Oshkosh has the best starting five in the league.
While the team may not be as good as it was at the end of last year, the Devils are a pretty darn good team right now. Last year Stout lost at home at this time of year against River Falls in a game that was very much like the Platteville game this year. Then look at what happened.
Come February this team may well be better than last years squad.
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on December 08, 2005, 10:40:51 PM]
Now, I understand that Lax and Point game is big, but nothing is as big as the one at Kolf on Saturday.
Duoss is better then last year, but the team isn't
While right now, Oshkosh has the best starting 5 in the WIAC
While the team may not be as good as it was at the end of last year, the Devils are a pretty darn good team right now. Last year Stout lost at home at this time of year against River Falls in a game that was very much like the Platteville game this year. Then look at what happened.
Come February this team may well be better than last years squad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 09, 2005, 06:09:47 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 09, 2005, 06:09:47 PM
problem with Stout though is that they are TERRIBLE at shooting. Yes Duoss and Bird are making their shots, but that was a given. Their are so many players that are shooting below 40% that it has to make you wonder if Oshkosh can find a way to slow down Duoss, who is going to step up for Stout?
I am almost postitive that you have an answer for that, and again, I haven't seen Stout, so I don't know who to look out for.
Another thing, River Falls was a 10 conference win team last year. I don't consider Platteville to be one of the teams in WIAC to win 10. Maybe they will, and become the darkhorse. But with that early loss at home, was result of no pressure and medium expectations. Now being the favorite and a nationally ranked team changes the impact.
One thing will change in this game from last year's strategy for Oshkosh. Expect a lot of attacking to the basket, even if Stout does go into a zone. Eggers is averaging 9 assists the past two games, and if she can drive to the basket and cause some chaos, that could be the deciding factor.
I am almost postitive that you have an answer for that, and again, I haven't seen Stout, so I don't know who to look out for.
Another thing, River Falls was a 10 conference win team last year. I don't consider Platteville to be one of the teams in WIAC to win 10. Maybe they will, and become the darkhorse. But with that early loss at home, was result of no pressure and medium expectations. Now being the favorite and a nationally ranked team changes the impact.
One thing will change in this game from last year's strategy for Oshkosh. Expect a lot of attacking to the basket, even if Stout does go into a zone. Eggers is averaging 9 assists the past two games, and if she can drive to the basket and cause some chaos, that could be the deciding factor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 08:53:58 AM
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 08:53:58 AM
Downtown, you are correct that the Stout outside shooters haven't been getting it done lately. I think part of that is due to their search for the right mix at guard. Shooters like Lindsey Geisler and Molly Hendricks will get it going though I am sure.
Look for Savanah Oeltjen to get some minutes at point guard.
Look for Savanah Oeltjen to get some minutes at point guard.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 09:01:40 AM
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 09:01:40 AM
Hey Downtown,
Go over and say hi to stoutguy today. He'll be doing the color on the Stout radio broadcast. 8)
Go over and say hi to stoutguy today. He'll be doing the color on the Stout radio broadcast. 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 10, 2005, 09:39:54 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 10, 2005, 09:39:54 AM
My question: can a 'best starting five in the conference' hold up for 40 minutes against a barrage of teams? It can if it has decent backup; does Oshkosh have depth? Stout's strength--and maybe, at this point, also it's weakness--is it's numbers. I think Stout may have two 'first string' line-ups, and the problem has been putting the right people together. In effect, Oshkosh could be facing two good starting line-ups today if Coach T creates the right combination. After the two good starting line ups, he has some pretty decent bench players. We know that Duoss can give Stout points inside, we know that L Geissler and Bird and Hendricks can give Stout points from the outside. We know A Geissler can get the ball up the court and into the hands of someone who can either score or pass on to a scorer. The elements are there. They need to learn to trust each other and not worry about another position doing its job.
I think Dani Boese is gaining strength and getting used to being on the court; if Bird starts to distribute the ball rather than looking for opportunities to score, she might reduce her turnover rate. Assists are important in basketball, too.
I figured that Stout has 75 fouls to give up before they're in serious trouble. Is that an advantage?
You know, I think Janelle Daniels, despite her height (or lack of it) shows some great potential. I think she sees the court well, she's quick, and who can swipe the ball from her dribble? I'd actually like to see what she can do in a real game and not just the final minutes of a blowout one way or the other. The advantage is the dribble is low; the disadvantage is her vision when she gets across mid-court. The closer she gets to the basket, the harder it is to see the forest for the trees.
I think Dani Boese is gaining strength and getting used to being on the court; if Bird starts to distribute the ball rather than looking for opportunities to score, she might reduce her turnover rate. Assists are important in basketball, too.
I figured that Stout has 75 fouls to give up before they're in serious trouble. Is that an advantage?
You know, I think Janelle Daniels, despite her height (or lack of it) shows some great potential. I think she sees the court well, she's quick, and who can swipe the ball from her dribble? I'd actually like to see what she can do in a real game and not just the final minutes of a blowout one way or the other. The advantage is the dribble is low; the disadvantage is her vision when she gets across mid-court. The closer she gets to the basket, the harder it is to see the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 10:20:09 AM
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2005, 10:20:09 AM
Foul, I agree with everything you just posted.
It's the patented Coach Thomas 'line changes" that keep the intensity level so high for the Devils, and the players fresh.
It will take more than a starting five to beat Stout.
It's the patented Coach Thomas 'line changes" that keep the intensity level so high for the Devils, and the players fresh.
It will take more than a starting five to beat Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 10, 2005, 06:06:26 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 10, 2005, 06:06:26 PM
I can look at this two ways: either it doesn't take more than a starting five to beat Stout OR Oshkosh could consider Stout's top ten as part of its bench. I'm listening to the game and wondering what in the hell the hurry was? Did Stout get reduced time on the shot clock? Was only one Stout player allowed to touch the ball or if a second person got the ball, was she obligated to fling it wildly in the general direction of the backboard? Where was the passing? Where was the patience? I don't know how it looked, but it sounded pathetic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 06:31:35 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 06:31:35 PM
UWEC - 66, Carroll College 61.
Nice win for the Blugolds in defeating a team that was 6-0 coming into the game, including wins against UW-Oshkosh and UWSP.
Blugolds trailed by 6 at half, but played with more intensity and gave fans a glimpse of a promising future by staging/maintaining a comeback with three starters on the bench for the last 6 minutes of the game or so.
Michelle Burns led the 'Golds in scoring with 24, but key players in this game were Brittanni Hakanson and Heidi Arciszewski, freshmen who combined for 30 points and played the final five minutes, along with Burns, and two more freshman - Ashley Anderson and Heather Witt. Arciszewski had a whale of a game on both ends, and provided a big spark.
Blugolds took the lead for good, 53-52, with about 4 minutes left, then hit all six of its FTs to help seal the win, along with a big 3-pointer by Burns.
Big confidence booster for this team, which showed some of the promise/athleticism that I saw during the team's intrasquad game. They played with chemsitry and a hunger down the stretch today. Hope that continues down the stretch this year, and bodes well for the next three years as this team continues to grow and improve.
Nice win for the Blugolds in defeating a team that was 6-0 coming into the game, including wins against UW-Oshkosh and UWSP.
Blugolds trailed by 6 at half, but played with more intensity and gave fans a glimpse of a promising future by staging/maintaining a comeback with three starters on the bench for the last 6 minutes of the game or so.
Michelle Burns led the 'Golds in scoring with 24, but key players in this game were Brittanni Hakanson and Heidi Arciszewski, freshmen who combined for 30 points and played the final five minutes, along with Burns, and two more freshman - Ashley Anderson and Heather Witt. Arciszewski had a whale of a game on both ends, and provided a big spark.
Blugolds took the lead for good, 53-52, with about 4 minutes left, then hit all six of its FTs to help seal the win, along with a big 3-pointer by Burns.
Big confidence booster for this team, which showed some of the promise/athleticism that I saw during the team's intrasquad game. They played with chemsitry and a hunger down the stretch today. Hope that continues down the stretch this year, and bodes well for the next three years as this team continues to grow and improve.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 10, 2005, 06:35:33 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 10, 2005, 06:35:33 PM
Quite the game at the Bob this afternoon. Foul trouble looked to doom UWO early, butthe question of depth was answered. Stout couldn't even pull away when Oshkosh had 3 or 4 starters out. By no means did the Titans bench dominate, but the young kids held the line and got them to the locker room up 4. I would question the officiating, but it leveled out in the second half. It really was a case where one end of the floor seemed to be the only side where the whistle was blown. UWO got hammered in the first half while Stout got to the line, while in the second half it was reversed. Except for the last foul with 1.2 seconds left. I think they were hoping for a make to set up the 13-pointer. And a heck of a birthday to Shannon Eggers: 21 points, a win, and a T. I believe that's the basketball version of a Gordie Howe hat trick.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 07:01:17 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 07:01:17 PM
UWL - 62, UWSP 55.
UWL stops its 11-game losing streak to the Pointers.
And they had 550+ fans at Mitchell Hall to see it. Impressive crowd there.
Now the rest of you Eagles fans get on the bandwagon, too, and start rooting for your team, which is now 9-0 and 4-0 in conference play!
UWL stops its 11-game losing streak to the Pointers.
And they had 550+ fans at Mitchell Hall to see it. Impressive crowd there.
Now the rest of you Eagles fans get on the bandwagon, too, and start rooting for your team, which is now 9-0 and 4-0 in conference play!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 10, 2005, 07:12:44 PM
Post by: billys on December 10, 2005, 07:12:44 PM
I think this season the "we're young" excuse has got to be relaxed. I just looked around the league at the rosters. Guess how many seniors there are in the entire league? Of the eight teams with rosters on the net (come on Superior), there are 22 seniors total.
EC-2 (both play big roles)
LC-1 (she's out for the year)
OSH- 4 (all important)
PL- 6 (the leaders, one's hurt)
RF- 2 (one major contributor)
SP- 2 (one major contributor)
Stout- 4 (2 or 3 play a lot)
WW-1 (major contributor)
I've seen it in articles about coaches saying "We're young" and people here talking about being patient with young teams.
Reality is, what you see this year in many cases, is what you'll see next year. EC, LC, PL, SP, WW all play a lot of freshman; most everyone has a good class of sophomores. If everyone is in the same boat, it's not unique. It's exciting for the league that the majority of the main contributors this year will be back next year which can only improve the quality of the league. I guess if you play Oshkosh experience is a factor (or big game experience with Stout) but I don't think it should be used as an excuse if you play an equally young team.
EC-2 (both play big roles)
LC-1 (she's out for the year)
OSH- 4 (all important)
PL- 6 (the leaders, one's hurt)
RF- 2 (one major contributor)
SP- 2 (one major contributor)
Stout- 4 (2 or 3 play a lot)
WW-1 (major contributor)
I've seen it in articles about coaches saying "We're young" and people here talking about being patient with young teams.
Reality is, what you see this year in many cases, is what you'll see next year. EC, LC, PL, SP, WW all play a lot of freshman; most everyone has a good class of sophomores. If everyone is in the same boat, it's not unique. It's exciting for the league that the majority of the main contributors this year will be back next year which can only improve the quality of the league. I guess if you play Oshkosh experience is a factor (or big game experience with Stout) but I don't think it should be used as an excuse if you play an equally young team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 08:29:13 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2005, 08:29:13 PM
Billys-
Yes, there are few seniors on the rosters this year. But add in the experience of juniors, too. That will give you a better idea of how young UWEC is, when you consider that its roster of 18 has only three upper classmen. A team of 15 freshmen/sophomores is young.
Yes, seems there are a lot of young teams this year - UWL being another one that comes to mind. But, as you point out, they are all in the same boat in this conference, so it's not an excuse.
It's just it takes a while to learn to win in this league, and have success... No matter how successful you were in HS, you will take some lumps in this conference as underclassmen, and experience some growing pains.
Looking at the bigger picture, outside of the WIAC, though, the teams that have success in the NCAA tournament over the years - Stout, Oshkosh, UWEC and UWSP - didn't have 15 underclassmen on them. That's when the experience pays off...
Yes, there are few seniors on the rosters this year. But add in the experience of juniors, too. That will give you a better idea of how young UWEC is, when you consider that its roster of 18 has only three upper classmen. A team of 15 freshmen/sophomores is young.
Yes, seems there are a lot of young teams this year - UWL being another one that comes to mind. But, as you point out, they are all in the same boat in this conference, so it's not an excuse.
It's just it takes a while to learn to win in this league, and have success... No matter how successful you were in HS, you will take some lumps in this conference as underclassmen, and experience some growing pains.
Looking at the bigger picture, outside of the WIAC, though, the teams that have success in the NCAA tournament over the years - Stout, Oshkosh, UWEC and UWSP - didn't have 15 underclassmen on them. That's when the experience pays off...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 13, 2005, 12:20:54 AM
Post by: billys on December 13, 2005, 12:20:54 AM
I agree, juniors are a very important part of "experience" like I said, in the league I just don't think youth should be used as an excuse. Unless you're playing Oshkosh where their experience could be a factor.
You are absolutely right, tournament success often relies on experience. I still think Oshy is the team to beat and I think Stout will still rebound and be a major factor, but the upstart from over here in La Crosse is looking to make things interesting. They pounded Edgewood tonight to get to 10-0.
Kind of surprising they're not ranked. 26th this week, Oshkosh checks in at 20th. Stout is 28th. I realize D3 polls are probably the least accurate since the voters see hardly any of the teams actually play. But I would figure 9-0 at the time of the vote, which would be tied for the best record on the board, would earn a ranking. Especially with a 2 loss team comfortably in it. Again, I've seen exactly 2 teams thus far, but I think if I were voting I'd put in unbeaten teams from good leagues until they prove you wrong.
You are absolutely right, tournament success often relies on experience. I still think Oshy is the team to beat and I think Stout will still rebound and be a major factor, but the upstart from over here in La Crosse is looking to make things interesting. They pounded Edgewood tonight to get to 10-0.
Kind of surprising they're not ranked. 26th this week, Oshkosh checks in at 20th. Stout is 28th. I realize D3 polls are probably the least accurate since the voters see hardly any of the teams actually play. But I would figure 9-0 at the time of the vote, which would be tied for the best record on the board, would earn a ranking. Especially with a 2 loss team comfortably in it. Again, I've seen exactly 2 teams thus far, but I think if I were voting I'd put in unbeaten teams from good leagues until they prove you wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 13, 2005, 02:22:22 AM
Post by: bulk19 on December 13, 2005, 02:22:22 AM
billys -
In the case of UWL being ranked, and from a tough conference, perhaps, you see them as innocent until proven guilty?
But the pollsters, perhaps, are thinking guilty, until proven innocent, if that makes any sense? ;)
But it maybe it's because, despite a 4-0 mark in conference, the Eagles have only beaten one upper-tier opponent so far - UWSP. They haven't played Stout or Oshkosh yet, but did beat the Blugolds, who are traditionally a good team...
Also, they are in a bit of an unfamiliar territory, as far as success goes for that program... so they haven't necessarily "earned" the spot based on a history of winning...
And, they do have a young team, too. One without seasoned veterans who we all know what to expect from. So there! ;)
I think the Eagles are flying under the radar a bit (if 26th can be considered such). Maybe that's why they've been successful. They didn't have the pressure of having the targets on their backs coming into this season.
But they have not gone unnoticed in the WIAC, I'll guarantee you that. I'm sure the teams in this conference have noticed, and are not going to take them lightly...
Nevertheless, it's exciting to see them doing well, and that the fans turned out vs. the Pointers... Keep filling up Mitchell Hall...
In the case of UWL being ranked, and from a tough conference, perhaps, you see them as innocent until proven guilty?
But the pollsters, perhaps, are thinking guilty, until proven innocent, if that makes any sense? ;)
But it maybe it's because, despite a 4-0 mark in conference, the Eagles have only beaten one upper-tier opponent so far - UWSP. They haven't played Stout or Oshkosh yet, but did beat the Blugolds, who are traditionally a good team...
Also, they are in a bit of an unfamiliar territory, as far as success goes for that program... so they haven't necessarily "earned" the spot based on a history of winning...
And, they do have a young team, too. One without seasoned veterans who we all know what to expect from. So there! ;)
I think the Eagles are flying under the radar a bit (if 26th can be considered such). Maybe that's why they've been successful. They didn't have the pressure of having the targets on their backs coming into this season.
But they have not gone unnoticed in the WIAC, I'll guarantee you that. I'm sure the teams in this conference have noticed, and are not going to take them lightly...
Nevertheless, it's exciting to see them doing well, and that the fans turned out vs. the Pointers... Keep filling up Mitchell Hall...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 06:16:47 PM
Post by: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 06:16:47 PM
I still think La Crosse should be in the top 25... I understand that maybe they are not 100% proven yet based on opponents but when you have polls like this, where the people voting have not seen the teams, you should base some things on common apponents ... For example Oshkosh is ranked and they Beat edgewood at home by 15... La Crosse who is unbeaten beat Edgewood at home by 24... They have also Beaten Rockford and to this day that is Rockfords only loss.... If they lose there first game of the year at Stout or at Oshkosh and they are not in the top 25, it will be that much harder for them to get into the top 25. However if they were now like they should be there first loss may not knock them out since there are several 2 loss teams in the top 25. The fact that they are a young team should not worry anybody at all. This team plays together and with alot of confidence. I have seen them in person and they dont panic when a team makes a run and most important there defence is smothering .... this is going to be an intresting year
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 07:41:20 PM
Post by: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 07:41:20 PM
One more thing... I think the La Crosse defense leads the wiac in forced turnovers does anybody have that stat?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 13, 2005, 11:25:30 PM
Post by: buf on December 13, 2005, 11:25:30 PM
EC 59
Carleton 50
A decent win for EC, but an ugly win. Carleton has been at or near the top of the MIAC the last few years, but like EC, they lost some seniors last year.
Muggenberg and Brooke Hakanson shot pretty well outside, which EC needs desperately. Both teams made a lot of substitutions and played zone defense for much of the game. I think both coaches were using this game to work on some things for conference play.
Only 4 points from EC's seniors and two of them were when they were icing the game from the FT line. However, Becker had some good assists.
Megan Vig and Oken-Berg lead Carleton.
Carleton 50
A decent win for EC, but an ugly win. Carleton has been at or near the top of the MIAC the last few years, but like EC, they lost some seniors last year.
Muggenberg and Brooke Hakanson shot pretty well outside, which EC needs desperately. Both teams made a lot of substitutions and played zone defense for much of the game. I think both coaches were using this game to work on some things for conference play.
Only 4 points from EC's seniors and two of them were when they were icing the game from the FT line. However, Becker had some good assists.
Megan Vig and Oken-Berg lead Carleton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 14, 2005, 12:38:20 AM
Post by: bulk19 on December 14, 2005, 12:38:20 AM
I've got to mention Heidi Arciszewski for her role tonight, too, in the Blugold's win. 13 points off the bench...
I agree with buf's summary - looks like the coaches were tinkering, tweaking and playing different combinations. Blugolds are back to .500, where Coach Englund wanted them to get to before heading out to California, and then back into conference play.
Don't know much about the teams they play out West, but I hope they can at least split???
Merry Christmas to all the posters here, good luck to the Warhawks football team on Saturday, and we'll see you all back here after the break...
I agree with buf's summary - looks like the coaches were tinkering, tweaking and playing different combinations. Blugolds are back to .500, where Coach Englund wanted them to get to before heading out to California, and then back into conference play.
Don't know much about the teams they play out West, but I hope they can at least split???
Merry Christmas to all the posters here, good luck to the Warhawks football team on Saturday, and we'll see you all back here after the break...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2005, 10:26:31 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2005, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 07:41:20 PM
One more thing... I think the La Crosse defense leads the wiac in forced turnovers does anybody have that stat?
Here's turnover margin which is led by LaCrosse at +6. It does show that the Eagle opponents, with 230, have the most turnovers among those of league teams.
TURNOVER MARGIN
# Team G TEAM Avg OPP Avg Margin
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1.UW-La Crosse........ 10 170 17.0 230 23.0 +6.00
2.UW-Oshkosh.......... 8 138 17.3 175 21.9 +4.62
3.UW-River Falls...... 10 172 17.2 214 21.4 +4.20
4.UW-Whitewater....... 7 114 16.3 143 20.4 +4.14
5.UW-Eau Claire....... 9 156 17.3 167 18.6 +1.22
6.UW-Superior......... 6 137 22.8 137 22.8 +0.00
7.UW-Platteville...... 9 166 18.4 161 17.9 -0.56
8.UW-Stevens Point.... 10 210 21.0 195 19.5 -1.50
9.UW-Stout............ 8 169 21.1 155 19.4 -1.75
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 14, 2005, 10:30:51 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 14, 2005, 10:30:51 AM
Darn it BadgerWarhawk, I just looked that up!! :D
Look at who is last in the category: UW-Stout. A team that has to feed off of turnovers, is not doing a very good job this year so far. Funny how things are going both in mens and womens basketball. The two preseason favorites seem to be very beatable, rather then invincable...
I guess thats the WIAC for ya, but right now, UW-Stout has to find a shooter, this team right now outside of Duoss has nothing going for them offensively, and what Oshkosh did to them on Saturday offensively really has to be a bad taste in their mouth. Best way to boil this team down, they need more production out of their guards, both offense and defense.
Look at who is last in the category: UW-Stout. A team that has to feed off of turnovers, is not doing a very good job this year so far. Funny how things are going both in mens and womens basketball. The two preseason favorites seem to be very beatable, rather then invincable...
I guess thats the WIAC for ya, but right now, UW-Stout has to find a shooter, this team right now outside of Duoss has nothing going for them offensively, and what Oshkosh did to them on Saturday offensively really has to be a bad taste in their mouth. Best way to boil this team down, they need more production out of their guards, both offense and defense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 14, 2005, 02:08:45 PM
Post by: buf on December 14, 2005, 02:08:45 PM
bulk19-
UWEC played Chapman 3 years ago in the NCAA tourney when EC went on their Final Four run. Chapman has been a pretty decent team, the last few years anyway. UWEC should be able to win at least 1, if not both out in California.
UWEC played Chapman 3 years ago in the NCAA tourney when EC went on their Final Four run. Chapman has been a pretty decent team, the last few years anyway. UWEC should be able to win at least 1, if not both out in California.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 14, 2005, 02:23:05 PM
Post by: BDB on December 14, 2005, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on December 14, 2005, 10:30:51 AM
Darn it BadgerWarhawk, I just looked that up!! :D
Look at who is last in the category: UW-Stout. A team that has to feed off of turnovers, is not doing a very good job this year so far. Funny how things are going both in mens and womens basketball. The two preseason favorites seem to be very beatable, rather then invincable...
I guess thats the WIAC for ya, but right now, UW-Stout has to find a shooter, this team right now outside of Duoss has nothing going for them offensively, and what Oshkosh did to them on Saturday offensively really has to be a bad taste in their mouth. Best way to boil this team down, they need more production out of their guards, both offense and defense.
Downtown,
Stoutguy and I are here in my office and we agree with your assessment of Stout at this time.
The Devils need the right people to take the right shots in this offense, and to never forget they have the best player in the paint in the conference. When Duoss gets her share of touches, good things happen.
BDB and Stoutguy
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on December 14, 2005, 09:36:46 PM
Post by: titan2000 on December 14, 2005, 09:36:46 PM
Do you think that Ted Van Dellen is attending women's practices trying to see how Teri has them playing so well as a team ?
Maybe he should.
Maybe he should.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 14, 2005, 11:16:49 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 14, 2005, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: titan2000 on December 14, 2005, 09:36:46 PM
Do you think that Ted Van Dellen is attending women's practices trying to see how Teri has them playing so well as a team ?
Maybe he should.
ouch
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 15, 2005, 12:24:50 AM
Post by: bulk19 on December 15, 2005, 12:24:50 AM
buf -
Thanks for refreshing my memory. That was an early-round game which I forgot about.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess, I remember the last two games of the season - losing in OT to Eastern Connecticut State to go to the championship, but then winning the consolation game in OT over U of Rochester to finish third.
That team showed a lot of pride to come back after that earlier tough, heartbreaking loss, only the second on the season vs. 32 Ws. What a team!
Thanks for refreshing my memory. That was an early-round game which I forgot about.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess, I remember the last two games of the season - losing in OT to Eastern Connecticut State to go to the championship, but then winning the consolation game in OT over U of Rochester to finish third.
That team showed a lot of pride to come back after that earlier tough, heartbreaking loss, only the second on the season vs. 32 Ws. What a team!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 15, 2005, 10:47:34 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 15, 2005, 10:47:34 AM
Chapman also came to Wisconsin in 2002 when Stevens Point hosted the Sectional. They got beat by Pacific Lutheran in the first game and were clearly the weakest of the four teams there. I imagine playing on their home floor with the memory of that pounding from EC in 2003 they will perform much, much better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 16, 2005, 12:39:42 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 16, 2005, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: cmhwest on December 13, 2005, 06:16:47 PM
I still think La Crosse should be in the top 25... However if they were now like they should be there first loss may not knock them out since there are several 2 loss teams in the top 25.
several?......as in.......one?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2005, 12:56:56 PM
Post by: buf on December 18, 2005, 12:56:56 PM
Saturday was a bad day for WIAC teams:
Edgewood blows out WW
UWO loses by 5 to North Park after they were leading by 5 with 4min left.
WW football loses in the championship game.
Edgewood blows out WW
UWO loses by 5 to North Park after they were leading by 5 with 4min left.
WW football loses in the championship game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2005, 02:56:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2005, 02:56:23 PM
I really thought the WARHAWK[/color] women had improved this year but now I'm not so sure. There are just too many inexperienced players who have to get significant minutes and the more experienced ones aren't playing at the level they need to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on December 19, 2005, 09:15:44 PM
Post by: titan2000 on December 19, 2005, 09:15:44 PM
When is the Warhawk ladies team swimsuit calendar coming out? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2005, 10:17:42 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2005, 10:17:42 AM
It already sold out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on December 20, 2005, 07:45:33 PM
Post by: titan2000 on December 20, 2005, 07:45:33 PM
Damn.
Have to check on the Stout calendar then.
Have to check on the Stout calendar then.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 21, 2005, 08:32:47 AM
Post by: BDB on December 21, 2005, 08:32:47 AM
No calendar, but on the game poster/schedule the players are all sitting on Harleys. 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2005, 01:30:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2005, 01:30:07 PM
The WARHAWKS[/color] finally get on back on the winning track, despite a 16 point first half, with a 70-64 OT win over St Norbert. Trisha Thill and Lindsey Buechner each scored 15 points to lead the team while Amy Morris and Jessica Wendt added 11 apiece. Buechner also pulled down 18 rebounds as they dominated the boards 55 to 40 (that's a lot of missed shots). WHITEWATER[/color] climbs back over .500 on the season at 5-4.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 21, 2005, 01:50:36 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 21, 2005, 01:50:36 PM
So what is the over/under for how long UWL can stay undefeated?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 21, 2005, 07:02:25 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 21, 2005, 07:02:25 PM
Lax will stay undefeated until Jan. 3rd, when they travel to Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 23, 2005, 01:53:46 PM
Post by: BDB on December 23, 2005, 01:53:46 PM
It was at this point last year when Stout was 1-3 in the conference and then found themselves at a holiday tournament in Las Vegas.
It was turn-around city and the conference championship.
BlueDevil fans hope they find a little something for the good of the team this holiday season when they play out in San Diego.
It was turn-around city and the conference championship.
BlueDevil fans hope they find a little something for the good of the team this holiday season when they play out in San Diego.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2005, 08:50:17 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2005, 08:50:17 PM
Stout defeats #9 Messiah.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on December 29, 2005, 12:46:46 AM
Post by: cmhwest on December 29, 2005, 12:46:46 AM
La crosse blows out occidental there worst loss of the year... only other really bad blowout came to a division 2 school.... chapman next .. looks like the La crosse stout match up on jan 4th is going to be fun... early line saysd La crosse -5 :) go eagles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2005, 12:15:07 AM
Post by: buf on December 30, 2005, 12:15:07 AM
UWO blows a 5 point lead with 1:30 remaining and loses by 1 on a shot at the buzzer.
UWL takes its 1st lead since the opening minute of the game with 20sec left and defeats Chapman by 1. Chapman plays UWEC tomorrow.
UWL takes its 1st lead since the opening minute of the game with 20sec left and defeats Chapman by 1. Chapman plays UWEC tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on December 30, 2005, 12:26:42 AM
Post by: kluch on December 30, 2005, 12:26:42 AM
Oshkosh loses at the buzzer to Emory of the UAA.
Tight game throughout. Emory had quite a bit of size that seemed somewhat overwhelming for Herrick and Tyriver to handle. There were times that Emory had 2,3, and 4 offensive rebounds in one posession.
It was almost obvious that Oshkosh had the better talent, but didn't have their heads in the game at the right points. Oshkosh had the lead from the 14 minute mark on in the second half, but I have to hand it to the Emory coach , she used Timeouts effectively and substituted the best players for each situation down the stretch, so bascially there were between 2 to 4 fresh players each time the clock stopped in the last minute.
But the game was all but won for Oshkosh. They were up by 3 with 30 seconds to go. But Emory gets a huge offensive rebound, calls timeout and sets up a play to cut it to 1 and carry that out. They foul Tyriver off the insuing inbound to stop the clock and then call timeout. Out of the TO Tyriver misses the front end of the 1 and 1, and Emory gets the ball down the court cleanly, makes one pass and Rizzo hits an open 10 footer for the win.
Oshkosh looked absolutely shell shocked.
Main thing here, Emory had 4 big post players that they used in shifts against Herrick and Tyriver and they worked. They were able to use them effectively in the post, especially on the glass.
A very sloppy game from both teams really, not executed like I'm used to seeing from Oshkosh. When I thought they would pull away from Emory they let them back in the game.
It was a tough one to lose, hopefully they'll come back strong against Maryville tomorrow night.
Tight game throughout. Emory had quite a bit of size that seemed somewhat overwhelming for Herrick and Tyriver to handle. There were times that Emory had 2,3, and 4 offensive rebounds in one posession.
It was almost obvious that Oshkosh had the better talent, but didn't have their heads in the game at the right points. Oshkosh had the lead from the 14 minute mark on in the second half, but I have to hand it to the Emory coach , she used Timeouts effectively and substituted the best players for each situation down the stretch, so bascially there were between 2 to 4 fresh players each time the clock stopped in the last minute.
But the game was all but won for Oshkosh. They were up by 3 with 30 seconds to go. But Emory gets a huge offensive rebound, calls timeout and sets up a play to cut it to 1 and carry that out. They foul Tyriver off the insuing inbound to stop the clock and then call timeout. Out of the TO Tyriver misses the front end of the 1 and 1, and Emory gets the ball down the court cleanly, makes one pass and Rizzo hits an open 10 footer for the win.
Oshkosh looked absolutely shell shocked.
Main thing here, Emory had 4 big post players that they used in shifts against Herrick and Tyriver and they worked. They were able to use them effectively in the post, especially on the glass.
A very sloppy game from both teams really, not executed like I'm used to seeing from Oshkosh. When I thought they would pull away from Emory they let them back in the game.
It was a tough one to lose, hopefully they'll come back strong against Maryville tomorrow night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2005, 06:59:37 PM
Post by: buf on December 30, 2005, 06:59:37 PM
Stout loses to St. Norberts. Duoss only plays 19min due to foul trouble.
Point defeats Oswego St. in OT. Oswego only 14-38 from the FT line.
Point defeats Oswego St. in OT. Oswego only 14-38 from the FT line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 30, 2005, 07:27:12 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 30, 2005, 07:27:12 PM
The Stout-LaCrosse game coming up should give both sides reason to sit back and wonder what's going right (LAX) and what's going wrong (Stout). Stout goes to California and beats ranked Messiah, and it looks like it will be a repeat of last season, when a down and out Stout found its groove in Las Vegas. No groove in California; more of a derailment. How does perennial loser LaCrosse pull it together in a season and a half?
I'm tempted to say LaCrosse has found itself with some decent players and are using them to build a team (lemons to lemonade). On the other hand, Stout has too many stars and no team (curdled cream of the crop). Maybe Stouters need to stop looking at individual stats and start looking at the bottom line. You can't have three or four or five horses pulling in different directions, and I think that's what Stout has. Too many people eager to shoulder a leadership role without consulting with the others, many of whom are also trying to be the leader. Someone needs to step in and get them all facing forward to the same goal: winning. If Stout doesn't find some cohesion, start swallowing some ego in favor of making everyone the best contributer to the team she can be, it's going to be a bad season. Maybe too much talent is a bad thing.
Coach T has an opportunity to turn this season around, but fuming about losing isn't going to make things better. If the coach doesn't step in, then the captains need to; if they don't do it, someone else needs to risk some popularity and smack some heads around. Get their attention, get everyone on the same page, get a team thing going. Might be tough to do with 20+ players, but it needs to be done.
But maybe that's just me
I'm tempted to say LaCrosse has found itself with some decent players and are using them to build a team (lemons to lemonade). On the other hand, Stout has too many stars and no team (curdled cream of the crop). Maybe Stouters need to stop looking at individual stats and start looking at the bottom line. You can't have three or four or five horses pulling in different directions, and I think that's what Stout has. Too many people eager to shoulder a leadership role without consulting with the others, many of whom are also trying to be the leader. Someone needs to step in and get them all facing forward to the same goal: winning. If Stout doesn't find some cohesion, start swallowing some ego in favor of making everyone the best contributer to the team she can be, it's going to be a bad season. Maybe too much talent is a bad thing.
Coach T has an opportunity to turn this season around, but fuming about losing isn't going to make things better. If the coach doesn't step in, then the captains need to; if they don't do it, someone else needs to risk some popularity and smack some heads around. Get their attention, get everyone on the same page, get a team thing going. Might be tough to do with 20+ players, but it needs to be done.
But maybe that's just me
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2005, 07:28:51 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2005, 07:28:51 PM
The WARHAWK[/color] women win a pair of games and capture the championship of the Rockford tournament. Last night the lady HAWKS[/color] beat Wartburg 73-59. Six players, led by Amy Morris with 13 points, scored in double figures. This afternoon WHITEWATER[/color] handed Rockford College it's second loss of the season 52-48. Lindsey Buechner scored 14 points and pulled down 9 rebounds to lead the team. Jessica Wendt had 11 rebounds. WHITEWATER[/color] improves to 7-4 on the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 31, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 31, 2005, 08:46:00 PM
Well, everytime I think EC is turning the corner (Luther, Carroll), they go on a losing streak. They lose to both Chapman and Clairemont Mudd Scripps by double digits this weekend.
EC does seem to play decent at home, but on the road they are consistantly getting beat bad. Things better turn around fast or else EC could have a losing season.
And, is that UWO-Maryville score ever going to come in. Both team's websites don't have a score.
EC does seem to play decent at home, but on the road they are consistantly getting beat bad. Things better turn around fast or else EC could have a losing season.
And, is that UWO-Maryville score ever going to come in. Both team's websites don't have a score.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2006, 08:30:03 AM
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2006, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: foul_language on December 30, 2005, 07:27:12 PM
The Stout-LaCrosse game coming up should give both sides reason to sit back and wonder what's going right (LAX) and what's going wrong (Stout). Stout goes to California and beats ranked Messiah, and it looks like it will be a repeat of last season, when a down and out Stout found its groove in Las Vegas. No groove in California; more of a derailment. How does perennial loser LaCrosse pull it together in a season and a half?
I'm tempted to say LaCrosse has found itself with some decent players and are using them to build a team (lemons to lemonade). On the other hand, Stout has too many stars and no team (curdled cream of the crop). Maybe Stouters need to stop looking at individual stats and start looking at the bottom line. You can't have three or four or five horses pulling in different directions, and I think that's what Stout has. Too many people eager to shoulder a leadership role without consulting with the others, many of whom are also trying to be the leader. Someone needs to step in and get them all facing forward to the same goal: winning. If Stout doesn't find some cohesion, start swallowing some ego in favor of making everyone the best contributer to the team she can be, it's going to be a bad season. Maybe too much talent is a bad thing.
Coach T has an opportunity to turn this season around, but fuming about losing isn't going to make things better. If the coach doesn't step in, then the captains need to; if they don't do it, someone else needs to risk some popularity and smack some heads around. Get their attention, get everyone on the same page, get a team thing going. Might be tough to do with 20+ players, but it needs to be done.
But maybe that's just me
Some interesting points you make Foul.
Coach T has been saying before the season began that he wished people would quit talking about how good they are. He always mentioned that the team lost alot when Erichsen and Churchill graduated. Two four year starters that led the team on and off the court.
This years seniors seem distracted by things off the court and disagreements about playing time, instead of the leadership roles they need to provide.
One thing I know about Coach Thomas, he will get things straightened out, even if that means the +20 roster gets a little smaller.
Ultimately though it's not the coach that can take ownership of a team, it's the players deciding that for this short period in their lives they are going to live it to the utmost potential. Otherwise, they are going to find themselves older and wishing they had done so.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 01, 2006, 12:05:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 01, 2006, 12:05:13 PM
Playing their third game in three days the WARHAWKS[/color] tired and their two game winning streak was snapped yesterday, 66-64, when Judson made two free throws with five seconds remaining. It was a pretty close game throughout with each team getting runs that built 7-8 point leads in the second half before the other rallied to tie or take the lead. It was also sloppy as the two teams combined for a staggering 58 turnovers (WW-31[/color], J-27). Amy Morris led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 17 points and Jessica Wendt contributed a double-double 14 points, 11 rebounds. WHITEWATER's[/color] record is now 7-6.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 01, 2006, 03:35:20 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 01, 2006, 03:35:20 PM
Blue Devil Bob--You're right; ultimately, it's the players that take the court and play the game. However, the coach sends some pretty serious signals to the team by the make-up of his starting line-up, the way he subs, the way he responds to play on the court. A player needs to feel as though she can make mistakes in an effort to play the game; on the other hand, a player should never feel as though she can make mistakes in an effort to play HER OWN game. We forgive fouls that result from strong defensive play; we don't forgive fouls that result from weak defensive play (e.g., weak: the too-late-reach-in foul as opposed to, strong: the blocking foul that could just as easily have been a charge).
Especially in the traditional Stout game of speed and agression, the player needs to take some risks and not worry about being benched if she makes a mistake. She needs to have the confidence to get back into the game with the same energy and effort she had at the start. I think this enormous roster gives players and coach the "I can be replaced/replace you" attitude that ends up undermining the team rather than contributing to it. The additional down side is that with 20+ players on the roster, no one gets the attention or practice time she needs to develop skills.
Stout has to get past Ericksen and Churchill and make good use of the talent on this year's team.
Especially in the traditional Stout game of speed and agression, the player needs to take some risks and not worry about being benched if she makes a mistake. She needs to have the confidence to get back into the game with the same energy and effort she had at the start. I think this enormous roster gives players and coach the "I can be replaced/replace you" attitude that ends up undermining the team rather than contributing to it. The additional down side is that with 20+ players on the roster, no one gets the attention or practice time she needs to develop skills.
Stout has to get past Ericksen and Churchill and make good use of the talent on this year's team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 02, 2006, 06:58:21 AM
Post by: kluch on January 02, 2006, 06:58:21 AM
Oshkosh beat Maryville. I forget the score, all apologies for not posting the score that night.
The Lady Titans won fairly easily, Maryville did have some talent but not enough to beat UW-Oshkosh. Oshkosh had a double digit lead at half time. Maryville tried to make it interesting cutting the lead to 5, i think, at one point.
Overall impressions for me looking at Oshkosh for the first time this season, Sloppy.
I don't know if it's the new coach/offensive scheme, but it just seems like the girls don't have alot of movement on offense, or i think there is less than what i'm used to with the Pam Ruder offense.
I didn't see a killer instinct. They had a double digit lead over the upset minded Maryville and let them back in the game in the second half. That, I am not used to seeing.
There are of course some very good things:
Shannon Eggers is an All-American. She's not that quick off the dribble, but she makes things happen and she can hit any shot on the floor, from any position. She is just smooth off the dribble and just as smooth behind the Arc. Great court leader, can take over the point at any time and run the offense if need be. Solid, solid player.
Brittany Herrick is an All-American. She may have the best all around post offensive skill that I've seen. Now take that in stride, I was there calling games during the Kay Mik years, but Kay didn't have the 10-15 foot jumper that Herrick has made automatic, she just doesn't miss it. She did get outmuscled alot in the Emory game, but fought back hard against girls that had at least 25 pounds on her.
Becky Knapp still playing inconsistently. I think at this point she should be able to run the point consitently when she is in the game. She made some really really bad passes against Emory and Maryville and Eggers would take the point for the next couple posessions. I still love her heart though. She is probably the most atheletic point that UW-O has had in a while, don't get me wrong, the Turtenwalds were really good, but just not as quick as Knapp is.
Kelly O'Keef is a dead eye. When she is on, she can really light it up. She doesn't do much inside the arc, but I think with her height she could pose as a tough matchup with smaller shooting guards, same goes for Eggers.
Whitney Tyriver is waiting for something. She seems slightly hesitant at times. Coming from Ohskosh-WEST, she is the one girl that knows the coach Shumacher and her offense better than anybody else(Shumacher coached at Oshkosh WEST previous to UW-O). While it may not be her place, I think at times, she needs to take the offnesive reigns a little bit more. She'll be a good player when she gets a chance to shine.
The bench play is...inconsistent. If the starting 5 can't get it done, it's not going to get done.
So, there you have it. I wish the Lady Titans all the best, I'm rooting for you all the way from Atlanta.
And if all else fails, just beat Eau Claire!
The Lady Titans won fairly easily, Maryville did have some talent but not enough to beat UW-Oshkosh. Oshkosh had a double digit lead at half time. Maryville tried to make it interesting cutting the lead to 5, i think, at one point.
Overall impressions for me looking at Oshkosh for the first time this season, Sloppy.
I don't know if it's the new coach/offensive scheme, but it just seems like the girls don't have alot of movement on offense, or i think there is less than what i'm used to with the Pam Ruder offense.
I didn't see a killer instinct. They had a double digit lead over the upset minded Maryville and let them back in the game in the second half. That, I am not used to seeing.
There are of course some very good things:
Shannon Eggers is an All-American. She's not that quick off the dribble, but she makes things happen and she can hit any shot on the floor, from any position. She is just smooth off the dribble and just as smooth behind the Arc. Great court leader, can take over the point at any time and run the offense if need be. Solid, solid player.
Brittany Herrick is an All-American. She may have the best all around post offensive skill that I've seen. Now take that in stride, I was there calling games during the Kay Mik years, but Kay didn't have the 10-15 foot jumper that Herrick has made automatic, she just doesn't miss it. She did get outmuscled alot in the Emory game, but fought back hard against girls that had at least 25 pounds on her.
Becky Knapp still playing inconsistently. I think at this point she should be able to run the point consitently when she is in the game. She made some really really bad passes against Emory and Maryville and Eggers would take the point for the next couple posessions. I still love her heart though. She is probably the most atheletic point that UW-O has had in a while, don't get me wrong, the Turtenwalds were really good, but just not as quick as Knapp is.
Kelly O'Keef is a dead eye. When she is on, she can really light it up. She doesn't do much inside the arc, but I think with her height she could pose as a tough matchup with smaller shooting guards, same goes for Eggers.
Whitney Tyriver is waiting for something. She seems slightly hesitant at times. Coming from Ohskosh-WEST, she is the one girl that knows the coach Shumacher and her offense better than anybody else(Shumacher coached at Oshkosh WEST previous to UW-O). While it may not be her place, I think at times, she needs to take the offnesive reigns a little bit more. She'll be a good player when she gets a chance to shine.
The bench play is...inconsistent. If the starting 5 can't get it done, it's not going to get done.
So, there you have it. I wish the Lady Titans all the best, I'm rooting for you all the way from Atlanta.
And if all else fails, just beat Eau Claire!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 02, 2006, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: buf on January 02, 2006, 10:24:56 AM
Kluch-
UWO at EC this upcoming Saturday. However, EC plays at WW on Tuesday. The way EC has played on the road, this one doesn't look good. Look at the difference playing at home and on the road for EC:
EC's road games
Millikin L 56-77
St. Norbert L 47-61
UW-Stout L 62-82
UW-River Falls L 61-72
Chapman L 44-60
Claremont-Mudd Scripps L 55-69
EC's Home Games
St. Scholastica Zorn Arena (EC) W 60-48
Luther College Zorn Arena (EC) W 64-59
UW-La Crosse Zorn Arena (EC) L 63-72
Sat Dec 10, 2005 Carroll College W 66-61
Tue Dec 13, 2005 Carleton College W 59-50
Luther blew out Millikin earlier this season and their only loss is to EC. I think they will go deep into the tourney and possibly even win it.
UWL is currently undefeated
Carroll defeated UWO and Point. Their only loss is to EC.
Carleton has been at the top of the MIAC the last few years.
So EC has been playing pretty well at home. However, they need to do WAY better on the road, where they aren't even close to winning games.
UWO at EC this upcoming Saturday. However, EC plays at WW on Tuesday. The way EC has played on the road, this one doesn't look good. Look at the difference playing at home and on the road for EC:
EC's road games
Millikin L 56-77
St. Norbert L 47-61
UW-Stout L 62-82
UW-River Falls L 61-72
Chapman L 44-60
Claremont-Mudd Scripps L 55-69
EC's Home Games
St. Scholastica Zorn Arena (EC) W 60-48
Luther College Zorn Arena (EC) W 64-59
UW-La Crosse Zorn Arena (EC) L 63-72
Sat Dec 10, 2005 Carroll College W 66-61
Tue Dec 13, 2005 Carleton College W 59-50
Luther blew out Millikin earlier this season and their only loss is to EC. I think they will go deep into the tourney and possibly even win it.
UWL is currently undefeated
Carroll defeated UWO and Point. Their only loss is to EC.
Carleton has been at the top of the MIAC the last few years.
So EC has been playing pretty well at home. However, they need to do WAY better on the road, where they aren't even close to winning games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 02, 2006, 11:35:32 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 02, 2006, 11:35:32 AM
Kluch-
Hope all is well in Atlanta. But ya gotta edit Oshkosh North to Oshkosh West before my brain hemmorages.
Hope all is well in Atlanta. But ya gotta edit Oshkosh North to Oshkosh West before my brain hemmorages.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:06:32 PM
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:06:32 PM
Well Here it is Jan 2nd and the top 25 womens poll has not been updated since dec 18th. The current poll posted on the 18th of December has 16 teams with atleast 1 loss and of those 16 there are 13 ranked ahead of uw la crosse. There are 15 teams in the top 25 that have less than 10 wins (whether they have a loss or not) and 7 teams with 10 wins , one team with 12 and one team with 13..... Guess who has 13 ?? yup La crosse ... they better get some respect in the next poll cause 19th dont cut it.... They should be in the top 5 easy.... it will be intresting to see the new poll if it ever comes out. La crosse fans... Get in your cars and make the trip to menomonie wed... the girls need the support on the road. I love the fact that most of you on this post think La crosse will be handed there first loss of the year wed... I wouldnt be trying to get this team even more motivated than they already are if your a stout fan. Should be a good game GO EAGLES
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:17:28 PM
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:17:28 PM
One more thing ... The undefeated in the top 25 have records that consist of .... 4 teams 10-0 2 teams 9-0 1 team 8-0 and then there is LAX 13-0 thats a pretty big statement if you ask me...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2006, 12:44:24 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2006, 12:44:24 PM
I believe the Stout-LaCrosse game isn't already decided. LaCrosse gave Stout a tremendous game last year in the post-season, and you could see UW-L was priming for a run. All they needed were a few more players and/or more experience, and I believe they got both. If I were Stout, I'd be doing some serious talking about collective effort.
What a flip flop from last year to this! What a great conference.
What a flip flop from last year to this! What a great conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 02, 2006, 12:56:16 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 02, 2006, 12:56:16 PM
I agree LX may need to be higher, but top 5 may be a stretch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 02, 2006, 04:07:16 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 02, 2006, 04:07:16 PM
Kluch
Fair assements for Herrick, Eggers, and O' Keef.
I think Knapp is consistent...her role on the team is the lock down defensive player. Here and there, she will drop double digits for ya. But that wasn't expected out of her in the beginning of the year, so I suggest thats a nice surprise for Oshkosh. Passing-wise, she is NOT the point guard on this team. That is still Eggers position. Knapp is more of a 2-guard.
Tyriver...she is a sophomore and I believe that she will come around in the second half. I was impressed that she guarded Duoss against Stout. Not really slowing her down much, it was still impressive that she went at her. Again, look for Tyriver to improve in the second half.
If LaCrosse wasn't having the season they were, I would suggest Schumacher coach of the year. And again, what you saw of the offense Kluch in Atlanta is not what we have seen here in the WIAC. Just ask Stoutguy how good the offense was against Stout ;)
Fair assements for Herrick, Eggers, and O' Keef.
I think Knapp is consistent...her role on the team is the lock down defensive player. Here and there, she will drop double digits for ya. But that wasn't expected out of her in the beginning of the year, so I suggest thats a nice surprise for Oshkosh. Passing-wise, she is NOT the point guard on this team. That is still Eggers position. Knapp is more of a 2-guard.
Tyriver...she is a sophomore and I believe that she will come around in the second half. I was impressed that she guarded Duoss against Stout. Not really slowing her down much, it was still impressive that she went at her. Again, look for Tyriver to improve in the second half.
If LaCrosse wasn't having the season they were, I would suggest Schumacher coach of the year. And again, what you saw of the offense Kluch in Atlanta is not what we have seen here in the WIAC. Just ask Stoutguy how good the offense was against Stout ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 04:44:24 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:06:32 PM
Well Here it is Jan 2nd and the top 25 womens poll has not been updated since dec 18th. The current poll posted on the 18th of December has 16 teams with atleast 1 loss and of those 16 there are 13 ranked ahead of uw la crosse. There are 15 teams in the top 25 that have less than 10 wins (whether they have a loss or not) and 7 teams with 10 wins , one team with 12 and one team with 13..... Guess who has 13 ?? yup La crosse ... they better get some respect in the next poll cause 19th dont cut it.... They should be in the top 5 easy.... it will be intresting to see the new poll if it ever comes out.
We took a week off for Christmas. I hope that didn't offend you too much. Also, remember they are called RANKINGS, not standings. Simply being unbeaten doesn't guarantee you a spot at any particular space.
Quote from: voft on January 02, 2006, 12:56:16 PM
I agree LX may need to be higher, but top 5 may be a stretch.
Agreed. Oglethorpe may deserve to be higher as well -- 9-1 with a loss to D-I Davidson and handled Chapman with ease, unlike UW-L.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 02, 2006, 04:47:07 PM
Post by: BDB on January 02, 2006, 04:47:07 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 02, 2006, 12:44:24 PM
I believe the Stout-LaCrosse game isn't already decided. LaCrosse gave Stout a tremendous game last year in the post-season, and you could see UW-L was priming for a run. All they needed were a few more players and/or more experience, and I believe they got both. If I were Stout, I'd be doing some serious talking about collective effort.
What a flip flop from last year to this! What a great conference.
Foul, you and I know this game is far from decided. Stout at 7-5 comes off a couple losses in holiday tourney play.
LAX is, well, undefeated.
I would say the 20 game BlueDevil winning streak vs. the Eagles is definately in play. Last win for LAX against Stout was in January 1996.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 02, 2006, 07:30:10 PM
Post by: billys on January 02, 2006, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: voft on January 02, 2006, 12:56:16 PM
I agree LX may need to be higher, but top 5 may be a stretch.
Agreed. Oglethorpe may deserve to be higher as well -- 9-1 with a loss to D-I Davidson and handled Chapman with ease, unlike UW-L.
Quote
Chapman led Oglethorpe most of the game, up by as many as 15 or so. Like your rankings comment. Final score does not always indicate how close a game was.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 07:38:03 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 07:38:03 PM
Can't find a box score on this game, but you're saying that Chapman led by as many as 15 before losing by 11?
I note with some amusement that Chapman's athletics site thinks Oglethorpe is in Nebraska. They should visit D3hoops.com once in a while.
I note with some amusement that Chapman's athletics site thinks Oglethorpe is in Nebraska. They should visit D3hoops.com once in a while.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 08:08:35 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 08:08:35 PM
Found a box score. Chapman got off to a quick start, led by 10 for six minutes. Over the final 23 and a half minutes, Oglethorpe outscored them 48-27.
Chapman's biggest lead was 14.
I'll take my version of events over your spin. Over the final 16 minutes, Chapman led just one time, and it was never a one-possession game in the final five minutes, with Oglethorpe keeping Chapman at bay. Not bad for a team traveling 3,000 miles to play.
Chapman's biggest lead was 14.
I'll take my version of events over your spin. Over the final 16 minutes, Chapman led just one time, and it was never a one-possession game in the final five minutes, with Oglethorpe keeping Chapman at bay. Not bad for a team traveling 3,000 miles to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2006, 09:44:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2006, 09:44:33 PM
I doubt anyone is going to rise from 19th to 5th in a single poll, let alone a program that's just establishing itself for the first time. LaCrosse is on the national voters radar and if they keep winning they'll advance up the ranks in due course. Chmwest would be better off waiting for the regional polls are released to see how much respect the Eagle get. Those are the ones that count.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 02, 2006, 09:54:13 PM
Post by: kluch on January 02, 2006, 09:54:13 PM
VOFT(n.b.?)
I'm so sorry, and I'm better than that...I wrote that really early in the morning, I think I went thru 3 or 4 previews before i actually posted. Again my bad. How's your squad doing?
I'm so sorry, and I'm better than that...I wrote that really early in the morning, I think I went thru 3 or 4 previews before i actually posted. Again my bad. How's your squad doing?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 11:38:24 PM
Post by: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 11:38:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2006, 04:44:24 PMQuote from: cmhwest on January 02, 2006, 12:06:32 PM
Well Here it is Jan 2nd and the top 25 womens poll has not been updated since dec 18th. The current poll posted on the 18th of December has 16 teams with atleast 1 loss and of those 16 there are 13 ranked ahead of uw la crosse. There are 15 teams in the top 25 that have less than 10 wins (whether they have a loss or not) and 7 teams with 10 wins , one team with 12 and one team with 13..... Guess who has 13 ?? yup La crosse ... they better get some respect in the next poll cause 19th dont cut it.... They should be in the top 5 easy.... it will be intresting to see the new poll if it ever comes out.
We took a week off for Christmas. I hope that didn't offend you too much. Also, remember they are called RANKINGS, not standings. Simply being unbeaten doesn't guarantee you a spot at any particular space.
Ok no I am not "offended that you took the week off" At the bottom of the d3hoops.com top 25 page it says it is published weekly. I dont think division 1 decided not to vote last week? correct me if I am wrong on that... If you read my post you will realize the word standings is not mentioned. If I was looking at this from a "standings" point of view then I would be wanting LAX #1. I realize there are factors that go into the RANKINGS but I was just pointing out the records of the other top 25 teams. When you rank teams you compare them and one of the ways you compare is by record. If they were only compared by record then obviously LAX would be #1 since they are 13-0 and nobody else in the top 25 has 13 wins. However I realize the other factors such as strength of schedule , common opponents etc. I was calling for a top 5 placement and I am not judging just by record. As far as the LAX Chapman game goes compared to oglethorpe chapman I am thinking wisconsin is not just a hop and a skip away from orange county california. Both teams traveled far and both teams beat a respectable chapman team. 13-0 on any level is very impressive and again I feel that based on the teams in the top 25 now LAX should be in the top 5.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2006, 04:38:55 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2006, 04:38:55 PM
I don't really care what Division I decided to do last week. How many Division III games got played that week? Just 59, the same one-third of your average Saturday during the season. That's not a good reason to re-rank teams, based on the equivalent of less than one day's games.
We've been at this for seven years. Please give us some credit for knowing what we're doing.
New women's poll is posted, by the way.
We've been at this for seven years. Please give us some credit for knowing what we're doing.
New women's poll is posted, by the way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2006, 10:40:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2006, 10:40:35 PM
WHITEWATER[/color] shoots 54% from the floor and opens up a 20 point second half lead. But Eau Claire's full court pressure forced 14 second half turnovers and the BluGold closed to within nine before consecutive three-point baskets by Amy Morris and Trisha Thill swung momentum back in the WARHAWK'S[/color] direction and they finished with a convincing 85-71 win.
Thill scored a game high 18 points to lead WHITEWATER[/color]. Wendt seems to be picking up her game and contributed 16 points and a game leading 8 rebounds. Amy Morris also scored 16 points and Lindsey Buechner had 13 points.
It was a good win for the WARHAWKS[/color]. For most of the game they were dominant and improves their season record to 8-5 while evening out the conference mark at 2-2. Eau Claire continues to struggle.
Thill scored a game high 18 points to lead WHITEWATER[/color]. Wendt seems to be picking up her game and contributed 16 points and a game leading 8 rebounds. Amy Morris also scored 16 points and Lindsey Buechner had 13 points.
It was a good win for the WARHAWKS[/color]. For most of the game they were dominant and improves their season record to 8-5 while evening out the conference mark at 2-2. Eau Claire continues to struggle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 03, 2006, 10:57:32 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 03, 2006, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: kluch on January 02, 2006, 09:54:13 PM
VOFT(n.b.?)
I'm so sorry, and I'm better than that...I wrote that really early in the morning, I think I went thru 3 or 4 previews before i actually posted. Again my bad. How's your squad doing?
no problem at all. i just hear "North" and I start convulsing. the squad is young this year. tough conference to compete in with a frosh PG.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 03, 2006, 11:26:05 PM
Post by: buf on January 03, 2006, 11:26:05 PM
How the mighty have fallen!
EC 85
WW 71
UWO 49
UWP 50
Badgerwarhawk gave a good summary of the game. I listened to it on the radio. WW was hot from 3 (8-15) and it sounded like they got a lot of close inside points off of both fast breaks and their half court offense. EC fought back again with their freshman (Witt, Hakanson, Arch.) along with Burns. However, with a few minutes remaining the announcer said it looked like Burns jammed a finger and came out of the game.
So far this year the most impressive lineup for EC has included Witt, Hakanson, Arch., and Burns along with someone else. Even on the post game show, Englund said she's probably going to make some changes in the lineup that will make EC even younger. However, for EC to greatly improve Mueggenborg needs to hit the outside shot and Becker needs to score more. Personally I would like to see EC full-court press more with the likes of Becker, Witt and Arch.
Big game on Saturday with EC and UWO going at it. It is clear that both teams are struggling right now. A win could give one of these teams the jumpstart they need, while a loss could set a team into a tailspin.
EC 85
WW 71
UWO 49
UWP 50
Badgerwarhawk gave a good summary of the game. I listened to it on the radio. WW was hot from 3 (8-15) and it sounded like they got a lot of close inside points off of both fast breaks and their half court offense. EC fought back again with their freshman (Witt, Hakanson, Arch.) along with Burns. However, with a few minutes remaining the announcer said it looked like Burns jammed a finger and came out of the game.
So far this year the most impressive lineup for EC has included Witt, Hakanson, Arch., and Burns along with someone else. Even on the post game show, Englund said she's probably going to make some changes in the lineup that will make EC even younger. However, for EC to greatly improve Mueggenborg needs to hit the outside shot and Becker needs to score more. Personally I would like to see EC full-court press more with the likes of Becker, Witt and Arch.
Big game on Saturday with EC and UWO going at it. It is clear that both teams are struggling right now. A win could give one of these teams the jumpstart they need, while a loss could set a team into a tailspin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 04, 2006, 01:27:41 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 04, 2006, 01:27:41 AM
These numbers hurt to look at:
Points in Paint
Platteville 30/50
Oshkosh 18/49
Eggers: 4/17, 0 assists
With these numbers, I don't think enough is going on for Oshkosh to pull out a win against anybody with these numbers. With a player like Herrick, 18 should be a given, and then add in some lay-ups from others...and when Eggers is that cold, and can't even get one dish?
Oshkosh was lucky tonight to only lose by one.
Points in Paint
Platteville 30/50
Oshkosh 18/49
Eggers: 4/17, 0 assists
With these numbers, I don't think enough is going on for Oshkosh to pull out a win against anybody with these numbers. With a player like Herrick, 18 should be a given, and then add in some lay-ups from others...and when Eggers is that cold, and can't even get one dish?
Oshkosh was lucky tonight to only lose by one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on January 04, 2006, 03:11:51 AM
Post by: titansrus on January 04, 2006, 03:11:51 AM
Not only were the stats ugly to look at Mr. Downtown, so was the game itself. Give credit to Platteville for very good defense (obviously it's what their best at) and hustle. In my mind, the latter is what won the game for them. They crashed the boards, especially offensive, early in the game. Ugly sight for the Titans in the final minute: Shannon Eggers called for a over-the-back and in the process got "body-slammed" to the court. Whoever's back she was on (i can't remember) kinda tossed her over her back and she fell violently on her shoulder. You could tell she was in obvious pain when she was on the floor. Talking to her after the game, she was pretty sure it was a separated shoulder (seems to have happened often before). Also, according to her, this game is a good example of what happens her and Herrick "suck." I honestly think this game was just an aberration, but if Eggers is a no go against Eau Claire this weekend, they're in deep trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on January 04, 2006, 05:20:57 PM
Post by: titansrus on January 04, 2006, 05:20:57 PM
Found out today that Eggers injury doesn't appear to be as serious as first speculated. Oshkosh can only hope so cuz they'll need her against Eau Claire.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 04, 2006, 07:50:32 PM
Post by: buf on January 04, 2006, 07:50:32 PM
Conference race is on!!!
Stout defeats Lax 68-55
Of course Duoss leads Stout. Both teams shot in the 30%s.
Stout defeats Lax 68-55
Of course Duoss leads Stout. Both teams shot in the 30%s.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 04, 2006, 10:09:56 PM
Post by: buf on January 04, 2006, 10:09:56 PM
Stout is video webcasting some of its games this year. I enjoyed watching it at home. Its pretty good video work but no announcer(s), so you didn't know what the score was or who made a basket, etc.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2006, 10:02:40 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2006, 10:02:40 AM
UWSP shoots 62.7% in beating Superior 87-51. Point outrebounds Superior 41-15.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 05, 2006, 10:08:23 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 05, 2006, 10:08:23 AM
QuoteStout is video webcasting some of its games this year. I enjoyed watching it at home. Its pretty good video work but no announcer(s), so you didn't know what the score was or who made a basket, etc.
My hope is that we can bring a televised game to the internet. Thats why I was asking if people would watch...seeing that it costs a lot of money to take a live telecast, and shoot it out over the internet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 10:31:50 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 10:31:50 AM
Isn't it classic that a new poster comes on the board, his first posts go off about the lack of respect his undefeated team is getting in the polls and then the team immediately loses. No offense intended cmhwest but you're a jinx. ;);)
Don't mind me I've always been the superstitious type. :)
Don't mind me I've always been the superstitious type. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 05, 2006, 11:15:48 AM
Post by: BDB on January 05, 2006, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 10:31:50 AM
Isn't it classic that a new poster comes on the board, his first posts go off about the lack of respect his undefeated team is getting in the polls and then the team immediately loses. No offense intended cmhwest but you're a jinx. ;);)
Don't mind me I've always been the superstitious type. :)
BW, Maybe I need to arrange a new poster to jinx each of the next opponents the BlueDevils play as the season goes along. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 12:46:31 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2006, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on January 05, 2006, 11:15:48 AM
BW, Maybe I need to arrange a new poster to jinx each of the next opponents the BlueDevils play as the season goes along. ;)
Next time remind me not to give you any ideas. ;):)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2006, 11:41:54 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2006, 11:41:54 PM
Very bad news for UWEC.
Burns out 6-8 weeks with a broken thumb.
Burns out 6-8 weeks with a broken thumb.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2006, 04:31:04 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2006, 04:31:04 PM
Stout down early to Point 20-8. No Duoss, at a wedding.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2006, 11:31:29 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2006, 11:31:29 PM
UWO wins over UWEC in OT 63-59.
UWEC jumps out to a 24-16 halftime lead but it could have been more if they would have hit some bunnies that they missed. EC plays great defense.
About 3min into second half Becker gets injured (ankle) while in a full court press. While shes down, UWO has a 5 0n 4 advantage and O'Keef ends up hitting a 3 with a EC foul occuring away from the shooter. So UWO gets the ball and O'Keef hits another 3. Definately the turning point in the game. UWEC's fresh and sophs play even with UWO the rest of the way. After EC ties it with seconds to play, Mueggenborg goes down with an injury, leaving Eggers wide open at they top of the key and she hits a 3 with 7sec left. EC zipps through UWO's press and Heidi Arch. hits a 3 (the only 3-pointer for EC) at the buzzer sending the game into OT.
OT can plainly be summed up looking at the FT stats. EC 0-5 (including a front end miss on 1-1) UWO 4-5
Injuries: With Burns already possibly out the rest of the year, EC didn't need to lose Becker to injury. Her injury did not look good. After the game, she was putting no weight on it. She might be done, not sure though. Mueggenborg did come back in for the last few seconds of the OT period, so it looks like she'll be OK. Brooke Hakanson has also been out the last few games. I don't know any details on her condition. EC even ended up playing a couple players that I haven't seen play this year (except for Blue-Gold game).
Glad to see EC underclassmen play right with UWO with their two leaders out (Becker, Burns). Now they need to play well on the road. Flat out, EC needs some 3-point shooters. An average high school team shoots better than EC from the perimeter. Mueggenborg needs to hit her open 3s (0-6 tonight).
Neither of these teams are near where they have been in the past decade. I was wondering at the half where UWO stars where (Herick, Eggers, O'Keef), but they sure played well in the 2nd half.
EC needs a big win Wednesday when Point comes to Zorn. UWO has a tough game at Lax.
Point blows out Stout (no Duoss) 97-66. Shows you what Stout is with out Duoss. She is definately MVP of the WIAC so far.
UWEC jumps out to a 24-16 halftime lead but it could have been more if they would have hit some bunnies that they missed. EC plays great defense.
About 3min into second half Becker gets injured (ankle) while in a full court press. While shes down, UWO has a 5 0n 4 advantage and O'Keef ends up hitting a 3 with a EC foul occuring away from the shooter. So UWO gets the ball and O'Keef hits another 3. Definately the turning point in the game. UWEC's fresh and sophs play even with UWO the rest of the way. After EC ties it with seconds to play, Mueggenborg goes down with an injury, leaving Eggers wide open at they top of the key and she hits a 3 with 7sec left. EC zipps through UWO's press and Heidi Arch. hits a 3 (the only 3-pointer for EC) at the buzzer sending the game into OT.
OT can plainly be summed up looking at the FT stats. EC 0-5 (including a front end miss on 1-1) UWO 4-5
Injuries: With Burns already possibly out the rest of the year, EC didn't need to lose Becker to injury. Her injury did not look good. After the game, she was putting no weight on it. She might be done, not sure though. Mueggenborg did come back in for the last few seconds of the OT period, so it looks like she'll be OK. Brooke Hakanson has also been out the last few games. I don't know any details on her condition. EC even ended up playing a couple players that I haven't seen play this year (except for Blue-Gold game).
Glad to see EC underclassmen play right with UWO with their two leaders out (Becker, Burns). Now they need to play well on the road. Flat out, EC needs some 3-point shooters. An average high school team shoots better than EC from the perimeter. Mueggenborg needs to hit her open 3s (0-6 tonight).
Neither of these teams are near where they have been in the past decade. I was wondering at the half where UWO stars where (Herick, Eggers, O'Keef), but they sure played well in the 2nd half.
EC needs a big win Wednesday when Point comes to Zorn. UWO has a tough game at Lax.
Point blows out Stout (no Duoss) 97-66. Shows you what Stout is with out Duoss. She is definately MVP of the WIAC so far.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2006, 12:19:07 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2006, 12:19:07 AM
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers and more turnovers. That was pretty much the story of the WARHAWK[/color]/River Falls game. WHITEWATER[/color] committed 30 and River Falls committed 24. The WARHAWKS[/color] were within four points with just under two and half minutes remaining but three consecutive turnovers, solid free throw shooting by the Falcon and a three pointer by Cordes doomed any chance of pulling the game out. RF was 9/19 from beyond the arc, the WARHAWKS[/color]shot 27% in the second half. Lindsey Buechner led WHITEWATER[/color] with 17 points and 7 rebounds. The final was 69-59.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 08, 2006, 12:43:31 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 08, 2006, 12:43:31 AM
buf -
Nice summary of the 'Golds vs. Titans match, which I attended.
I looked at the stats, and what surprised me was EC was 4-11 from the free throw line, but I didn't realize they missed all 5 in overtime... Yes, they do need a shooter from the outside, too... Will be interesting to see who steps up on this team as a leader in the next few years, too - who will want the ball down the stretch?
Would also really be interesting to see what would happen if this team got out and ran, run and gun. Not sure that is what you want to do with a young one, though...
Blugolds did hang in there, though, including an incredible three to force OT. But they had a few too many turnovers in OT, as Coach Englund noted in postgame comments...
This young team is playing its heart out. Hope they aren't getting discouraged, since they aren't seeing immediate results - Ws. But they will come...
Nice summary of the 'Golds vs. Titans match, which I attended.
I looked at the stats, and what surprised me was EC was 4-11 from the free throw line, but I didn't realize they missed all 5 in overtime... Yes, they do need a shooter from the outside, too... Will be interesting to see who steps up on this team as a leader in the next few years, too - who will want the ball down the stretch?
Would also really be interesting to see what would happen if this team got out and ran, run and gun. Not sure that is what you want to do with a young one, though...
Blugolds did hang in there, though, including an incredible three to force OT. But they had a few too many turnovers in OT, as Coach Englund noted in postgame comments...
This young team is playing its heart out. Hope they aren't getting discouraged, since they aren't seeing immediate results - Ws. But they will come...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cmhwest on January 08, 2006, 10:16:22 AM
Post by: cmhwest on January 08, 2006, 10:16:22 AM
I really hope I didnt Jinx Lax!!! I was at the stout Lax game last wed and I was very impressed at the halftime adjustments Stout made. With a one point lead at the half Lax looked alot stronger than the one point lead suggested. There inside game was on fire and if it wasnt for a couple of desperation NBA 3 pointers while the shot clock was running down they would have been up by 7. The second half was a whole different game. Every time the ball went into the post, the Stout defense doubled and triple teamed the reciever. This caused Lax to turn the ball over several times leading to easy baskets for Stout. I kept waiting for the LAX to pass the ball out of the post for a wide open 3 but it never came. Lax had several girls open on every possesion but seemed to prefer to force up a shot down low. Stout looked like they made up there mind that they were going to make Lax beat them from the outside. If Lax could have gotten the ball to somebody open for a few 3s that may have opened the post again but they never did. LAX needs to keep there head up and realize they have ATLEAST one more shot at Stout this year and its at home. One more thing... The Bench for Lax had been so productive all year... They didnt play much against Stout and the starters seemed to get tired half way throught the second half. The last game of the year against Stout is going to be a big one. GO EAGLES!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 08, 2006, 12:26:44 PM
Post by: buf on January 08, 2006, 12:26:44 PM
bulk-
As of now I would have to think that Burns and/or Arch. would be the future leaders, but that could change. When the shot clock was running down last night, Arch. was the one taking it to the basket. After Becker went down, UWO put their best defender (Knapp) on Arch.
I would also like to see EC full court press a bit more. They could put 3 out of these 4 (Witt, Arch, Mugg, Becker?) on the court and probably have some success with it. Against a team like UWO (who doesn't have a deep bench), I would think a press could "pay good dividends" by the end of the game.
As of now I would have to think that Burns and/or Arch. would be the future leaders, but that could change. When the shot clock was running down last night, Arch. was the one taking it to the basket. After Becker went down, UWO put their best defender (Knapp) on Arch.
I would also like to see EC full court press a bit more. They could put 3 out of these 4 (Witt, Arch, Mugg, Becker?) on the court and probably have some success with it. Against a team like UWO (who doesn't have a deep bench), I would think a press could "pay good dividends" by the end of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 08, 2006, 02:10:45 PM
Post by: EChoops on January 08, 2006, 02:10:45 PM
UWEC needs to run more. As you could see last night, that is what they were successful at unlike earlier this season when they didn't do that. I have to think the next two years will be much different. If it takes a losing season this year, then that's how it will have to be. We're a young team and those rebuilding years are tough. Plus right now, we are plagued by injuries and illnesses, and that certainly doesn't help. Burns will be out possibly for the season, Brooke is questionable, Becker is questionable, Muggsy is questionable at this point. But this team is tenacious, and they are playing to win, with or without Burns despite what the Leader Telegram stated in today's article.
They played an awesome game last night and were very competitive. There are a few good leaders on that team. You'll see who they are next year for sure.
They played an awesome game last night and were very competitive. There are a few good leaders on that team. You'll see who they are next year for sure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 08, 2006, 05:17:06 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 08, 2006, 05:17:06 PM
Stout certainly missed Duoss in Stevens Point; but to be fair, Stout made some monumental mistakes that Duoss would have had no control over. Listening to the game, it sounded as though many times a Stout player scored, and immediately a Stout player fouled a SP player--especially toward the end. I don't know what kind of play that is, but if I were a coach, it wouldn't be in my play book. Especially when a team is down by 20 or more with five or fewer minutes left in the game, intentional fouls to get the ball after free throws seems crazy. Crazier if the other team is feasting off free throws.
It still sounds as though the team goes into some kind of panic mode as soon as the opponent gets a lead. Last year, that just made the team lick its lips, hungry for a good battle.
Thomas sounded frustrated during a men's game halftime interview.
On what page does the chapter on defense start?
It still sounds as though the team goes into some kind of panic mode as soon as the opponent gets a lead. Last year, that just made the team lick its lips, hungry for a good battle.
Thomas sounded frustrated during a men's game halftime interview.
On what page does the chapter on defense start?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 08, 2006, 07:07:51 PM
Post by: buf on January 08, 2006, 07:07:51 PM
Brooke Hakanson has been sidelined because of severe exhaustion. Don't know when she'll be back. She has the highest 3-point percentage on the team (with at least 1 attempt per game).
Kelli Emerson, who I believe is a decent outside shooter, is out for the year with a bad back.
Kelli Emerson, who I believe is a decent outside shooter, is out for the year with a bad back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 09, 2006, 04:29:57 PM
Post by: BDB on January 09, 2006, 04:29:57 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 08, 2006, 05:17:06 PM
On what page does the chapter on defense start?
foul_language, It had better be Chapter 1, Page 1 from now on. I started getting worried about the Devils defense when Superior put up 70 points at Johnson Fieldhouse.
I guess if the team was going to play such lousy defense in a game and Duoss had to miss a game then it might as well be the same game.
Based upon what I heard on the radio and in talking to people that were there, had Kelsey played the game would have been closer but the result the same.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 09, 2006, 05:50:40 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 09, 2006, 05:50:40 PM
FL -
I attended the game in SP. I was actually looking forward to seeing Duoss play and how the Pointers would match up. I must tell you, the game I saw, there could have been 2 Duosses on the floor and it wouldn't have mattered. Point out ran Stout, suprisingly, but they've got some quick, young talent. The second half was brutal! I realize Stout is known for their physical abuse, but this was ridiculous. I don't know what Thomas said at halftime, but it's clear that the game plan was to get away with as much slap crap, reaching in, pushing, displacing and getting thug physical as possible. I'm not saying they tried to hurt anyone, but it wasn't basketball. And it never ever surprises me that the officiating just doesn't get it. I realize that you can't call them all, but if they called 10% we're looking at another hour of play.
I know Stout's game is to run, jack, foul, etc and that changes with Duoss in the paint, but the team I saw was just bad! Turnover after turnover, fouls, terrible shot choices and a lack of togetherness. This conference is way up for grabs - but how will our WIAC teams favor against the rest of the country? Should be interesting...
I attended the game in SP. I was actually looking forward to seeing Duoss play and how the Pointers would match up. I must tell you, the game I saw, there could have been 2 Duosses on the floor and it wouldn't have mattered. Point out ran Stout, suprisingly, but they've got some quick, young talent. The second half was brutal! I realize Stout is known for their physical abuse, but this was ridiculous. I don't know what Thomas said at halftime, but it's clear that the game plan was to get away with as much slap crap, reaching in, pushing, displacing and getting thug physical as possible. I'm not saying they tried to hurt anyone, but it wasn't basketball. And it never ever surprises me that the officiating just doesn't get it. I realize that you can't call them all, but if they called 10% we're looking at another hour of play.
I know Stout's game is to run, jack, foul, etc and that changes with Duoss in the paint, but the team I saw was just bad! Turnover after turnover, fouls, terrible shot choices and a lack of togetherness. This conference is way up for grabs - but how will our WIAC teams favor against the rest of the country? Should be interesting...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 09, 2006, 05:58:18 PM
Post by: billys on January 09, 2006, 05:58:18 PM
Reading the paper on the game at SP, Coach Thomas doubted whether Duoss would make a 31-point difference. I think it's pretty hard to say the result would be the same with her there. She's worth close to 20 of her own points, who knows how many more for getting teammates open shots, not to mention how she changes the offense of the other team.
Factor in the confidence Point starts the game with knowing she's not in the middle altering shots. And probably the Stout kids wondering where they're going to get those points from.
Take nothing away from Point, they had to play well to blister Stout, but Duoss is the league MVP for a reason. She makes every one around her better on both ends of the floor. They can pressure more on the perimeter cause they have the big helper in back. They also have a big-time rebounder to clean glass.
Factor in the confidence Point starts the game with knowing she's not in the middle altering shots. And probably the Stout kids wondering where they're going to get those points from.
Take nothing away from Point, they had to play well to blister Stout, but Duoss is the league MVP for a reason. She makes every one around her better on both ends of the floor. They can pressure more on the perimeter cause they have the big helper in back. They also have a big-time rebounder to clean glass.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:29:54 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:29:54 PM
On second thought (and third and fourth), if Duoss averages 20 points a game--and assuming she would have hit her average at SP, Stout has 86 points. Giver her, conservatively, eight rebounds--and to make it easy, we'll make it four defensive and four offensive--and we'll say Stout converts on half the defensive rebounds. We're at 90. Give her two blocked shots, to take away four of SP's points, and now we have a four-point game. Is my math right? The unknown is how many points we don't have from the players who took Duoss' place.
Anyway, if we also assume that Duoss gives Stout a level of confidence, that has to be worth some points. Maybe she could have been the turn-around factor. Billys is probably right in a lot of that. Players relax when they're comfortable; she may lend that level of comfort.
Now, a question about Stout women's play: if this had been a men's game, would it have been considered 'brutal'? Do women have to play non-contact if that's not what basketball is today? I've wondered about this for years. I was told by a man who played the game over 40 years ago that when rebounding, you go up with your elbows out to catch the opponent under the chin and you come down with your elbows out to nail him on the shoulder. His dad told him that. If that was the rule of thumb 50-60 years ago, what do we expect to see on the court today? More recently, a player told me that she shouldn't have been called for a charge, because the opponent should have known to get out of the way.
I've seen all kinds of 'brutal' play, and it's not peculiar to Stout. That seems to be what opposing teams and fans expect, and you tend to see what you expect. I doubt if any coach tells a team to be rough; a coach is more likely to tell a team to go after the ball; players improvise from there. The question remains: was it brutal or aggressive? Was it 'brutal' because it was a women's game, but it would have been aggressive if it had been men?
Of course, I'm at a disadvantage, because I didn't see this game, but Stevens Point is no pushover team, so I'm pretty sure they gave as good as they got. Plus, they made their shots. That was the most 'brutal' part.
Anyway, if we also assume that Duoss gives Stout a level of confidence, that has to be worth some points. Maybe she could have been the turn-around factor. Billys is probably right in a lot of that. Players relax when they're comfortable; she may lend that level of comfort.
Now, a question about Stout women's play: if this had been a men's game, would it have been considered 'brutal'? Do women have to play non-contact if that's not what basketball is today? I've wondered about this for years. I was told by a man who played the game over 40 years ago that when rebounding, you go up with your elbows out to catch the opponent under the chin and you come down with your elbows out to nail him on the shoulder. His dad told him that. If that was the rule of thumb 50-60 years ago, what do we expect to see on the court today? More recently, a player told me that she shouldn't have been called for a charge, because the opponent should have known to get out of the way.
I've seen all kinds of 'brutal' play, and it's not peculiar to Stout. That seems to be what opposing teams and fans expect, and you tend to see what you expect. I doubt if any coach tells a team to be rough; a coach is more likely to tell a team to go after the ball; players improvise from there. The question remains: was it brutal or aggressive? Was it 'brutal' because it was a women's game, but it would have been aggressive if it had been men?
Of course, I'm at a disadvantage, because I didn't see this game, but Stevens Point is no pushover team, so I'm pretty sure they gave as good as they got. Plus, they made their shots. That was the most 'brutal' part.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:31:27 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:31:27 PM
What's this karma stuff and how do we get it?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2006, 10:16:30 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2006, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 09, 2006, 10:31:27 PM
What's this karma stuff and how do we get it?
Check here....http://d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2006, 10:56:59 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2006, 10:56:59 AM
That's hilarious. Thank you for the information. I'd better watch myself, lest I be smited. Can you have negative karma?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2006, 01:07:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2006, 01:07:30 PM
Ask T2K about negative karma. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2006, 01:26:28 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2006, 01:26:28 PM
Negative triple figures. That's laugh-out-loud hilarious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2006, 06:52:04 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2006, 06:52:04 PM
It's awfully quiet. Some classic matchups tonight--well, what wouldn't be in the WIAC this year?--and I'm wondering if LaCrosse will recover after it's misstep last week to beat Oshkosh; if Eau Claire will take Stevens Point down a notch after Saturday's heady win; if Stout will regain its composure to get a rare win in River Falls. I'd love to see LaCrosse get about eight more wins before it's next loss.
In times of instant gratification, waiting until tomorrow's news is too long.
In times of instant gratification, waiting until tomorrow's news is too long.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 11, 2006, 07:11:52 PM
Post by: buf on January 11, 2006, 07:11:52 PM
EC vs. Point
It will be interesting to see who is able to play for EC tonight. They will probably need all their horses if they want to beat Point. I feel Point has underachived a bit so far this year, by looking at their results. However, their last two results (scores) have looked very impressive. So, I think they are finding their stride. They certainly have a lot of good players on the roster.
UWO vs. Lax
Whoever wins this, will have a bit of a heads up on conference. I think I will give a slight edge to UWL since they are playing at home. On the other hand, if UWO wins, that would make two big road wins in their current 3-game road trip, in which they did a lot of traveling around the state.
It will be interesting to see who is able to play for EC tonight. They will probably need all their horses if they want to beat Point. I feel Point has underachived a bit so far this year, by looking at their results. However, their last two results (scores) have looked very impressive. So, I think they are finding their stride. They certainly have a lot of good players on the roster.
UWO vs. Lax
Whoever wins this, will have a bit of a heads up on conference. I think I will give a slight edge to UWL since they are playing at home. On the other hand, if UWO wins, that would make two big road wins in their current 3-game road trip, in which they did a lot of traveling around the state.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2006, 09:43:33 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2006, 09:43:33 PM
Stout over River Falls, 71-59
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2006, 10:15:07 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2006, 10:15:07 PM
UWO over LX by 22.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2006, 10:31:31 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2006, 10:31:31 PM
WARHAWKS[/color] drill Platteville 79-50.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 11, 2006, 10:42:16 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 11, 2006, 10:42:16 PM
UWEC 67, Pointers 63
Blugolds attacked the middle on the Pointers and get a solid games inside from post players Liz Van Drasek, Ashley Anderson and Brittanni Hakanson, who lead the team in rebounds with nine and points with 18.
How fitting Hakanson was the one to hit the free throw with three seconds left to ice the game for the 'Golds. She had a whale of a game!
Blugolds pressed the majority of the night, too, which created enough turnovers to keep them around all night. The only two 3s they hit were in the first half, which allowed them to keep things close, too. Got into the bonus early in the second half, which really helped, since the FGs were even...
The 'Golds have been slowly putting things together, and tonight all that hard worked paid off in a nice win. They had a complete game on both ends, and didn't seem intimidated to be playing one of the top teams in the conference... Nice to see nearly 1,200 fans turn out, too, after Coach Englund in the paper recognized the role and importance the fans play...
I think the Blugolds learned, too, that you don't turn your back on the Pointers' Cassandra Schultz. Don't know if their is anyone in this conference who has as quick a first step as she does... Becky Pepper had a nice game, too, with her hustle, boarding and six points for UWSP. Natalie Lechault had one of the better games I've seen her play, too, scoring a team leading 18.
So, things tighten up again in the standings...
Blugolds attacked the middle on the Pointers and get a solid games inside from post players Liz Van Drasek, Ashley Anderson and Brittanni Hakanson, who lead the team in rebounds with nine and points with 18.
How fitting Hakanson was the one to hit the free throw with three seconds left to ice the game for the 'Golds. She had a whale of a game!
Blugolds pressed the majority of the night, too, which created enough turnovers to keep them around all night. The only two 3s they hit were in the first half, which allowed them to keep things close, too. Got into the bonus early in the second half, which really helped, since the FGs were even...
The 'Golds have been slowly putting things together, and tonight all that hard worked paid off in a nice win. They had a complete game on both ends, and didn't seem intimidated to be playing one of the top teams in the conference... Nice to see nearly 1,200 fans turn out, too, after Coach Englund in the paper recognized the role and importance the fans play...
I think the Blugolds learned, too, that you don't turn your back on the Pointers' Cassandra Schultz. Don't know if their is anyone in this conference who has as quick a first step as she does... Becky Pepper had a nice game, too, with her hustle, boarding and six points for UWSP. Natalie Lechault had one of the better games I've seen her play, too, scoring a team leading 18.
So, things tighten up again in the standings...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 12, 2006, 01:57:05 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 12, 2006, 01:57:05 AM
Umm...
I think we know where La Crosse is when it comes to the best teams in the conference.
I don't know about you guys, but when it comes to the All-WIAC team consideration...I know Eggers and Herrick are shoe-ins...but what about Kelly O'Keef? The most deadly 3 point shooter in the WIAC, is finding herself scoring a bunch of points for Oshkosh this year? If I got to vote, I would have to say right now 3 of Oshkosh's starting 5 would be on my 1st team All-WIAC.
I think we know where La Crosse is when it comes to the best teams in the conference.
I don't know about you guys, but when it comes to the All-WIAC team consideration...I know Eggers and Herrick are shoe-ins...but what about Kelly O'Keef? The most deadly 3 point shooter in the WIAC, is finding herself scoring a bunch of points for Oshkosh this year? If I got to vote, I would have to say right now 3 of Oshkosh's starting 5 would be on my 1st team All-WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 12, 2006, 09:45:23 AM
Post by: kluch on January 12, 2006, 09:45:23 AM
If anybody wants to see how oshkosh lost to emory here ya go...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5187086148186285421&q=oshkosh
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5187086148186285421&q=oshkosh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2006, 10:43:53 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2006, 10:43:53 AM
So have you got the three best women players in the league too, Downtown? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 12, 2006, 12:23:52 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 12, 2006, 12:23:52 PM
While I'll never be quite as dazzled by Oshkosh as Mr. D, I am a little surprised that they're doing as well as they are. By most accounts, they are only five deep, they just went through a shake-up losing a coach, the new coach should be at the bottomoof a learning curve coming from high school to college level play. None of that seems to be knocking them off track. Maybe that's what pisses me off most about them.
Can I say 'pisses'?
Can I say 'pisses'?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2006, 01:25:32 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2006, 01:25:32 PM
Kluch-
Was there still time on the clock when the Emory bench came running onto the court, or was it a situation where they put :00.3 on the clock after the fact?
And while UWO may not be deep (just look at the minutes played by the starting 5 at LX), I can say first-hand that the new coach should not be a factor. She knows her stuff and is doing a great job. Look at the fact that they have 2 1-point losses, and another by 5 and they could easily be 13-2 or 14-1 right now.
Was there still time on the clock when the Emory bench came running onto the court, or was it a situation where they put :00.3 on the clock after the fact?
And while UWO may not be deep (just look at the minutes played by the starting 5 at LX), I can say first-hand that the new coach should not be a factor. She knows her stuff and is doing a great job. Look at the fact that they have 2 1-point losses, and another by 5 and they could easily be 13-2 or 14-1 right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 12, 2006, 02:06:27 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 12, 2006, 02:06:27 PM
Ha ha ha BadgerWarhawk...
No...I'm not saying we really have the 3 best players in the conference (we have 2 :) ) but I think O' Keef should get some early season consideration with her play this season. We'll see later on at the end of the season where she lands up being. I was just putting that out there to see if anyone agreed with me.
No...I'm not saying we really have the 3 best players in the conference (we have 2 :) ) but I think O' Keef should get some early season consideration with her play this season. We'll see later on at the end of the season where she lands up being. I was just putting that out there to see if anyone agreed with me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 12, 2006, 02:07:46 PM
Post by: buf on January 12, 2006, 02:07:46 PM
Pretty good game by the Golds last night. The game was close the whole way, with EC keeping their composure down the stretch. Now, EC needs to go on the road and pick up some wins.
Mueggenborg out for the year with a torn ACL.
Mueggenborg out for the year with a torn ACL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on January 12, 2006, 04:44:32 PM
Post by: kluch on January 12, 2006, 04:44:32 PM
VOFT:
Let me first say that the time keeping at the Emory game was suspect. There were at least 6 times during the game when the refs had to stop play to reset the shot clock, quite frustrating.
But to answer your question there was quite the debate whether there was time left or not. Eggs had clearly called timeout when the shot went down but the refs didn't see it so the clock "ran out". Refs got together and put .3 back on for a catch and shoot that came up short.
Let me first say that the time keeping at the Emory game was suspect. There were at least 6 times during the game when the refs had to stop play to reset the shot clock, quite frustrating.
But to answer your question there was quite the debate whether there was time left or not. Eggs had clearly called timeout when the shot went down but the refs didn't see it so the clock "ran out". Refs got together and put .3 back on for a catch and shoot that came up short.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2006, 09:36:33 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2006, 09:36:33 PM
I thought I heard a buzzer in there but wasn't sure. Even if there was a TO, clock should stop when the ball goes through in the last minute. But I guess that's what home court does for ya.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2006, 06:34:28 PM
Post by: buf on January 14, 2006, 06:34:28 PM
UWO sneaks by River Falls 75-72. UWO seniors score all but 10 of their points. O'Keef(UWO) and Bietler(RF) hot from 3-point range. I think RF led 72-71 with a minute left. UWO wins it by shooting good FTs(19-20) and only commiting 9 turnovers(compared to 18 for RF)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2006, 07:57:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2006, 07:57:18 PM
Blugolds get second win in conference, leading Platteville most of the game, to win 71-60.
Liz Van Dresek had 9 boards and 11 points to lead the Blugolds, along with Heidi Arciszweski, who lead the team with 21, including 11-12 in FTs. She chipped in five boards too... Hakanson sisters, Brittanni and Brooke, chip in 10 and 11, too.
Key for Blugolds = 22 of 24 on free throws. Coach Englund just said on the radio postgame that that was an emphasis in practice this week, in part because she kidded that that was one way nobody would get hurt. Ha. Also had 5 of 9 on threes.... Englund also thanks the home crowd, for playing its part in helping the Golds win against the Pointers on Saturday,..
Holly Kaiser fouled out with 18, and Liz Tesch had 17 for Platteville. Lisa Grantman had nine boards...
Pioneers now 8-7 overall, and 4-3 in conference... Golds now 7-9 and 2-5....
Liz Van Dresek had 9 boards and 11 points to lead the Blugolds, along with Heidi Arciszweski, who lead the team with 21, including 11-12 in FTs. She chipped in five boards too... Hakanson sisters, Brittanni and Brooke, chip in 10 and 11, too.
Key for Blugolds = 22 of 24 on free throws. Coach Englund just said on the radio postgame that that was an emphasis in practice this week, in part because she kidded that that was one way nobody would get hurt. Ha. Also had 5 of 9 on threes.... Englund also thanks the home crowd, for playing its part in helping the Golds win against the Pointers on Saturday,..
Holly Kaiser fouled out with 18, and Liz Tesch had 17 for Platteville. Lisa Grantman had nine boards...
Pioneers now 8-7 overall, and 4-3 in conference... Golds now 7-9 and 2-5....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2006, 08:16:20 PM
Post by: buf on January 14, 2006, 08:16:20 PM
Big road win for EC. Huge game for Arc. Its nice to see Van Drasek putting a couple good games together. We need her to play well. Its also nice to have Brooke Hakanson back on the court. She was 3-6 from 3-point range and had a long 2-point basket where her foot was on the line. Finally some 3 point shooting!!!.
This is a big win on the road, where EC hasn't come close to winning this year. It could be a big confidence booster.
This is a big win on the road, where EC hasn't come close to winning this year. It could be a big confidence booster.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 15, 2006, 01:52:25 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 15, 2006, 01:52:25 PM
With the midway point of the conferece season coming up...its now time...
FOR THE CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS (if the season were to end...)
Same thing I did last year, so from now on after each day of games...I will put out the new seedings in the conference...to give an idea to all those where teams are in the conference...and depending on who teams play, gives a good perspective about teams chances of winning the tourney.
1 Oshkosh (6-1)
8 Eau Claire (2-5)
4 Stevens Point (4-3)
5 Platteville (4-3)
3 Stout (5-3)
6 Whitewater (3-4)
2 La Crosse (5-2)
7 River Falls (3-4)
FOR THE CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS (if the season were to end...)
Same thing I did last year, so from now on after each day of games...I will put out the new seedings in the conference...to give an idea to all those where teams are in the conference...and depending on who teams play, gives a good perspective about teams chances of winning the tourney.
1 Oshkosh (6-1)
8 Eau Claire (2-5)
4 Stevens Point (4-3)
5 Platteville (4-3)
3 Stout (5-3)
6 Whitewater (3-4)
2 La Crosse (5-2)
7 River Falls (3-4)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
I don't care how much EC is struggling. Would anyone really want to play them as a #8 seed?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2006, 01:17:38 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2006, 01:17:38 PM
Oshkosh probably would.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 18, 2006, 02:23:53 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 18, 2006, 02:23:53 AM
Ok, this is to Pat and anyone else that votes for the top 25...
How in the world is UW-La Crosse still ranked...and Oshkosh is not?
Let me remind you that out of Oshkosh's 4 losses, two of them were by one point, and 1 game was by 5 points. In those losses, the teams are a combined 36-20. Overall, Oshkosh's opponents record is 133-104, giving their opponets winning percentage a total of .561.
La Crosse's?
a total of 115-104, a winning percentage of .525
Also add in a butt whipping 22 point win by Oshkosh IN La Crosse.
Oshkosh might not be deserving right now to be in the top 25, but I don't know how La Crosse can be. Already we have seen them go against the two best teams in the WIAC (Stout and Oshkosh) and wilted (losing to Stout by 13...and again AT HOME to Oshkosh by 22).
Its easy to say, that La Crosse is a bit overrated. This team is a lot better, I mean A LOT BETTER...but they are not as good on the court as they are on paper.
Perhaps the way things are going...I don't even think any team in the WIAC should be ranked in the top 25.
How in the world is UW-La Crosse still ranked...and Oshkosh is not?
Let me remind you that out of Oshkosh's 4 losses, two of them were by one point, and 1 game was by 5 points. In those losses, the teams are a combined 36-20. Overall, Oshkosh's opponents record is 133-104, giving their opponets winning percentage a total of .561.
La Crosse's?
a total of 115-104, a winning percentage of .525
Also add in a butt whipping 22 point win by Oshkosh IN La Crosse.
Oshkosh might not be deserving right now to be in the top 25, but I don't know how La Crosse can be. Already we have seen them go against the two best teams in the WIAC (Stout and Oshkosh) and wilted (losing to Stout by 13...and again AT HOME to Oshkosh by 22).
Its easy to say, that La Crosse is a bit overrated. This team is a lot better, I mean A LOT BETTER...but they are not as good on the court as they are on paper.
Perhaps the way things are going...I don't even think any team in the WIAC should be ranked in the top 25.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2006, 09:27:03 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2006, 09:27:03 AM
Be carefull, Downtown. You saw what happened to CMHWest's Eagle following his rant about the national rankings. The Oshkosh women have a good thing going and you don't want that on your head do you? ;)
Just Bill,
I can also say that WHITEWATER[/color] would rather see EC on our floor as the #8 seed than play on the road against #3 Stout. Of course, if that were the case, it would mean that WHITEWATER[/color], or whoever EC played for that matter, would be the #1 seed and what program in the league wouldn't like to be that?
Just Bill,
I can also say that WHITEWATER[/color] would rather see EC on our floor as the #8 seed than play on the road against #3 Stout. Of course, if that were the case, it would mean that WHITEWATER[/color], or whoever EC played for that matter, would be the #1 seed and what program in the league wouldn't like to be that?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 18, 2006, 12:05:13 PM
Post by: EChoops on January 18, 2006, 12:05:13 PM
In response to foul and Bill,
I wouldn't get too hung up on seedings. EC is kicking butt without 2 of their good players, and may I remind you that Oshkosh almost lost in OT to them.
I wouldn't get too hung up on seedings. EC is kicking butt without 2 of their good players, and may I remind you that Oshkosh almost lost in OT to them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
I have been turned on to this site a short time ago and found it interesting to read everyone's thoughts and opinions.
EChoops, you, as well as the EC newspapers and EC team may be getting a little a head of yourselves. Until last week you had not won a conference game and have a losing record, now in the Leader Telegram there is all this talk about winning the conference tournament. A great goal, but there are still many tough games ahead of them. Looking too far ahead is always a teams downfall.
Also, since when has there been a WIAC Freshman of the Year award? I wasn't aware there was such an award, but Tonya Englund keeps mentioning that Michelle Burns won that award last year. Just curious.
EChoops, you, as well as the EC newspapers and EC team may be getting a little a head of yourselves. Until last week you had not won a conference game and have a losing record, now in the Leader Telegram there is all this talk about winning the conference tournament. A great goal, but there are still many tough games ahead of them. Looking too far ahead is always a teams downfall.
Also, since when has there been a WIAC Freshman of the Year award? I wasn't aware there was such an award, but Tonya Englund keeps mentioning that Michelle Burns won that award last year. Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 18, 2006, 03:32:48 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 18, 2006, 03:32:48 PM
My reply to the "would anyone really want to face..." has more to do with Oshkosh not seeming to care who they face or what that team's particular ranking is, they're willing to take anyone on and give 'em a good game. Tenacious, I'd say. Like pit bulls.
wisconsinball: there tends to be some cheerleading on the site. It's interesting; we all end up doing it. it's kinda fun...it's a form of wishful thinking, I guess.
wisconsinball: there tends to be some cheerleading on the site. It's interesting; we all end up doing it. it's kinda fun...it's a form of wishful thinking, I guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2006, 03:37:43 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2006, 03:37:43 PM
There isn't a WIAC Freshman of the Year award. Burns was likely the freshman who made the biggest impact last year, but there is no conference award. Could Englund have been referring to a team award? If not, then she's just blowing smoke.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 04:32:33 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 04:32:33 PM
Since there is no WIAC award for the Freshman of the Year, it is a little arrogant for a coach to say that, let alone say that to the newspaper (on more than 1 occasion).
I am sure UWO would argue it was Tyriver, Stout with L. Geissler, UWW with Buechner, ect.
Who won the WIAC Newcomer of the Year award last year, Duoss or Eggers? :)
I am sure UWO would argue it was Tyriver, Stout with L. Geissler, UWW with Buechner, ect.
Who won the WIAC Newcomer of the Year award last year, Duoss or Eggers? :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 18, 2006, 04:33:32 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 18, 2006, 04:33:32 PM
I know BadgerWarhawk...i was just trying to figure any reasoning behind this weeks voting...and at the sametime prove that the WIAC leader deserves a little bit more then 11 votes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 18, 2006, 10:23:13 PM
Post by: buf on January 18, 2006, 10:23:13 PM
Tonights scores:
UW-Eau Claire 77, UW-Superior 54 at Superior
UW-Oshkosh 70, UW-Whitewater 65 at Oshkosh
UW-River Falls 74, UW-La Crosse 52 at River Falls
UW-Stevens Point 72, UW-Platteville 44 at Platteville
EC continues mini win streak to 3 games
UWO keeps squeaking by
Honeymoon over for UWL
Point is playing the best over the last couple weeks
UW-Eau Claire 77, UW-Superior 54 at Superior
UW-Oshkosh 70, UW-Whitewater 65 at Oshkosh
UW-River Falls 74, UW-La Crosse 52 at River Falls
UW-Stevens Point 72, UW-Platteville 44 at Platteville
EC continues mini win streak to 3 games
UWO keeps squeaking by
Honeymoon over for UWL
Point is playing the best over the last couple weeks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 18, 2006, 11:24:14 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 18, 2006, 11:24:14 PM
Wisconsinball -
Don't recall seeing such a thing as a WIAC Freshman of the Year Award, and UWEC doesn't have player bios on the website. I haven't purchased a program this year, either. So, I don't know if Burns received a team award or not?
I also don't recall Coach Englund referring to Burns in that specific manner, either. Perhaps... But then I again, I wasn't listening for it, nor looking for that label in the paper. If it has occurred, though, it wouldn't have struck me as unusual or odd, because Burns is an impact player...
I do know, however, that there were 10 First Team WIAC players named last year, and 13 Honorable Mentions. Burns was an Honorable Mention, and the only freshman out of the 23...
My guess for the weekend? The Blugolds go into La Crosse, and come out with another W...
Oh. Speaking of impact players. Everyone vote for Points' Amanda Nechuta for the D3 25th Anniversary team...
Don't recall seeing such a thing as a WIAC Freshman of the Year Award, and UWEC doesn't have player bios on the website. I haven't purchased a program this year, either. So, I don't know if Burns received a team award or not?
I also don't recall Coach Englund referring to Burns in that specific manner, either. Perhaps... But then I again, I wasn't listening for it, nor looking for that label in the paper. If it has occurred, though, it wouldn't have struck me as unusual or odd, because Burns is an impact player...
I do know, however, that there were 10 First Team WIAC players named last year, and 13 Honorable Mentions. Burns was an Honorable Mention, and the only freshman out of the 23...
My guess for the weekend? The Blugolds go into La Crosse, and come out with another W...
Oh. Speaking of impact players. Everyone vote for Points' Amanda Nechuta for the D3 25th Anniversary team...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2006, 10:05:55 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2006, 10:05:55 AM
Throw a vote to Wendy Wangerin of UW-Oshkosh too. I never saw her play but why wouldn't we support the WIAC?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 19, 2006, 04:53:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 19, 2006, 04:53:29 PM
CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS
Its clear that Oshkosh is number 1, now 2 games ahead of everyone. But who is the clear cut 2nd? With La Crosse, Stout, and Stevens Point all at 5-3. To break it down, La Crosse earlier in the year beat Stevens Point, so they are ahead of them, Stout lost to Stevens Point, but Stout beat La Crosse. So...just like the mens side (though, with this situation being in first place tie), we have to use Overall record.
1 Oshkosh 7-1 (1)
8 Eau Claire 3-5 (8)
4 Stout 5-3 (4)
5 Platteville 4-4 (5)
3 Stevens Point 5-3 (3)
6 River Falls 4-4 (7)
2 La Crosse 5-3 (2)
7 Whitewater 3-5 (6)
Its clear that Oshkosh is number 1, now 2 games ahead of everyone. But who is the clear cut 2nd? With La Crosse, Stout, and Stevens Point all at 5-3. To break it down, La Crosse earlier in the year beat Stevens Point, so they are ahead of them, Stout lost to Stevens Point, but Stout beat La Crosse. So...just like the mens side (though, with this situation being in first place tie), we have to use Overall record.
1 Oshkosh 7-1 (1)
8 Eau Claire 3-5 (8)
4 Stout 5-3 (4)
5 Platteville 4-4 (5)
3 Stevens Point 5-3 (3)
6 River Falls 4-4 (7)
2 La Crosse 5-3 (2)
7 Whitewater 3-5 (6)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2006, 05:24:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2006, 05:24:15 PM
If you're going to try to break these ties, then you should really try to do it the same way the WIAC does. They never use overall record.
All three teams lost to Oshkosh so no help there.
The next team in descending order is Platteville (by virtue of their win over River Falls). Point and La Crosse defeated Platteville, but Stout lost. That places Stout 4th.
We then revert to head-to-head tiebreaker which gives us La Crosse 2nd and Point 3rd by virtue of the Eagle's victory.
It actually turns out the same in this case, but it doesn't make sense to use overall record when that won't be accoutned for at the end.
All three teams lost to Oshkosh so no help there.
The next team in descending order is Platteville (by virtue of their win over River Falls). Point and La Crosse defeated Platteville, but Stout lost. That places Stout 4th.
We then revert to head-to-head tiebreaker which gives us La Crosse 2nd and Point 3rd by virtue of the Eagle's victory.
It actually turns out the same in this case, but it doesn't make sense to use overall record when that won't be accoutned for at the end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 19, 2006, 09:43:49 PM
Post by: EChoops on January 19, 2006, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: wisconsinball on January 18, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
I have been turned on to this site a short time ago and found it interesting to read everyone's thoughts and opinions.
EChoops, you, as well as the EC newspapers and EC team may be getting a little a head of yourselves. Until last week you had not won a conference game and have a losing record, now in the Leader Telegram there is all this talk about winning the conference tournament. A great goal, but there are still many tough games ahead of them. Looking too far ahead is always a teams downfall.
Also, since when has there been a WIAC Freshman of the Year award? I wasn't aware there was such an award, but Tonya Englund keeps mentioning that Michelle Burns won that award last year. Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on January 19, 2006, 09:48:09 PM
Post by: EChoops on January 19, 2006, 09:48:09 PM
I simply stated that EC is playing good ball lately, that's it plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Hope they can make it 4 in a row!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gustiesoaps on January 20, 2006, 09:51:17 AM
Post by: gustiesoaps on January 20, 2006, 09:51:17 AM
Don't know if anyone caught the latest article out of oshkosh from UWO's favorite writer Larry Graham---you may remember him from his article bashing the university for hiring Schumacher and being very critical of that decision.
Well, he's back with a very different tone. Here's the headline:
Schumacher proving she is the latest top-notch coach
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060120/OSH07/601200560/1148
Well, he's back with a very different tone. Here's the headline:
Schumacher proving she is the latest top-notch coach
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060120/OSH07/601200560/1148
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 20, 2006, 12:47:24 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 20, 2006, 12:47:24 PM
Saw that. Did a great job sticking to his guns. In September, Schumacher "lacked the experince to lead a team that was temporarily ranked #1 in the nation....last season." Now, nothing but praise for the coach he called the "Cliff Claven of UWO women's basketball." Look for another flip-flop if McCarthy does well in GB this year.
I'm just happy there's big headlines that read "Larry Graham Article", so I'll know not to read them anymore.
I'm just happy there's big headlines that read "Larry Graham Article", so I'll know not to read them anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2006, 02:41:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2006, 02:41:44 PM
In the men's forum this flip-flopping is known as "Eagling." ;) :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 21, 2006, 12:46:20 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 21, 2006, 12:46:20 PM
Vote for Amanda Nechuta - DIII Women's Basketball 25th Anniversary Team
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/fanpolls/1013
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/fanpolls/1013
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:10 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:10 PM
What happened to internet broadcast of the Stout-Platteville game? >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:55 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:55 PM
Women's game; men's is playing...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 21, 2006, 05:53:33 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 21, 2006, 05:53:33 PM
Final:
UWEC - 66, UWL - 50, in La Crosse.
Blugolds lead at half 31-27, then take a 48-43 lead on a Liz Van Drasek three pointer. Van Drasek scores six of the next eight points as the 'Golds make a run to go up 56-45.
Lead remains in double figures basically the rest of the way...
Van Drasek leads 'Golds with 13 points... Rachel Becker has 10 assists, 12 points and 7 boards. Jen Charboneau, with 5, provides a spark off the bench, too, for the 'Golds, who are back to the .500 mark.
Palmer, 13, and Hunter, 10, lead the Eagles in scoring.
One difference between the two games: First game, UWL wins 72-63, going 22 of 33 from the line, while 'Golds were 7 of 8. Today, however, the 'Golds make 15 of 27 vs. UWL's 7 of 17...
Four in a row for the 'Golds, with Stout coming to town on Wednesday. School will be back in session, and Stout will be bringing their entourage from just up the road, so Blugold fans, get out and fill up Zorn on Wednesday... Should be a great atmosphere for D3 college hoops!
UWEC - 66, UWL - 50, in La Crosse.
Blugolds lead at half 31-27, then take a 48-43 lead on a Liz Van Drasek three pointer. Van Drasek scores six of the next eight points as the 'Golds make a run to go up 56-45.
Lead remains in double figures basically the rest of the way...
Van Drasek leads 'Golds with 13 points... Rachel Becker has 10 assists, 12 points and 7 boards. Jen Charboneau, with 5, provides a spark off the bench, too, for the 'Golds, who are back to the .500 mark.
Palmer, 13, and Hunter, 10, lead the Eagles in scoring.
One difference between the two games: First game, UWL wins 72-63, going 22 of 33 from the line, while 'Golds were 7 of 8. Today, however, the 'Golds make 15 of 27 vs. UWL's 7 of 17...
Four in a row for the 'Golds, with Stout coming to town on Wednesday. School will be back in session, and Stout will be bringing their entourage from just up the road, so Blugold fans, get out and fill up Zorn on Wednesday... Should be a great atmosphere for D3 college hoops!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 21, 2006, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 21, 2006, 06:00:00 PM
How the "mighty" have fallen
Big win for Eau Claire, and to win 4 in a row in the WIAC without being at your very best is terrific. La Crosse is in a major funk. Now 5-4 in conference. They go from the being the best, to now possibly right in the middle of the conference.
They better bounce back soon...cause if they don't then they will be playing on the road in the WIAC tourney.
Big win for Eau Claire, and to win 4 in a row in the WIAC without being at your very best is terrific. La Crosse is in a major funk. Now 5-4 in conference. They go from the being the best, to now possibly right in the middle of the conference.
They better bounce back soon...cause if they don't then they will be playing on the road in the WIAC tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2006, 07:59:30 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2006, 07:59:30 PM
CONFERENCE TOURNEY SEEDINGS
We have a situation once again between Eau Claire, Platteville, and River Falls being tied.
Now, remembering the tiebreaker situation, I believe they have it by who they have beaten depending on the standings. So first would be Oshkosh. Seeing that Platteville is the only team to beat Oshkosh this year, they get the tiebreaker and placed 5th. Seeing that River Falls beat Eau Claire, they are the 6th seed, while Eau Claire would be 7th.
1 Oshkosh (8-1)
8 Whitewater (3-5)
4 La Crosse (5-4)
5 Platteville (4-5)
3 Stout (6-3)
6 River Falls (4-5)
2 Stevens Point (6-3)
7 Eau Claire (4-5)
Big game in Stevens Point on Wednesday, If Oshkosh wins they will not only have a 3 game lead of Point. But also by doing so in case Stout and Oshkosh tie at the end of the year, Oshkosh would own the tiebreaker (seeing that Stout and Oshkosh would spilt) sweeping Stevens Point. A Point team that Stout lost pretty badly without Duoss.
How important is home court advantage in womens basketball? In the 7 year history, the number 1 seed has ALWAYS won the conference tourney.
Though, here is an interesting question to put out there, does anyone think that WIAC is going to have 2 teams in the tourney this year? Right now, if Oshkosh doesn't win the tourney, I think they have a strong bid to claim a pool C bid...if they were to win out the rest of the season of course ;)
We have a situation once again between Eau Claire, Platteville, and River Falls being tied.
Now, remembering the tiebreaker situation, I believe they have it by who they have beaten depending on the standings. So first would be Oshkosh. Seeing that Platteville is the only team to beat Oshkosh this year, they get the tiebreaker and placed 5th. Seeing that River Falls beat Eau Claire, they are the 6th seed, while Eau Claire would be 7th.
1 Oshkosh (8-1)
8 Whitewater (3-5)
4 La Crosse (5-4)
5 Platteville (4-5)
3 Stout (6-3)
6 River Falls (4-5)
2 Stevens Point (6-3)
7 Eau Claire (4-5)
Big game in Stevens Point on Wednesday, If Oshkosh wins they will not only have a 3 game lead of Point. But also by doing so in case Stout and Oshkosh tie at the end of the year, Oshkosh would own the tiebreaker (seeing that Stout and Oshkosh would spilt) sweeping Stevens Point. A Point team that Stout lost pretty badly without Duoss.
How important is home court advantage in womens basketball? In the 7 year history, the number 1 seed has ALWAYS won the conference tourney.
Though, here is an interesting question to put out there, does anyone think that WIAC is going to have 2 teams in the tourney this year? Right now, if Oshkosh doesn't win the tourney, I think they have a strong bid to claim a pool C bid...if they were to win out the rest of the season of course ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 23, 2006, 02:02:53 PM
Post by: buf on January 23, 2006, 02:02:53 PM
Downtown-
If UWO wins the rest of their games during the regular season and happens to lose in the conf. tourney, they would be a lock for a Pool C Bid.
IMO, UWO should be able to lose 2 more games in the regular season and still be able to get in the NCAA tourney if they happen to lose in the conf. tourney. If this would occur, UWO would have 6 in-region losses. Last year that wasn't good enough, but with 13 more Pool C Bids this year, they would be a good bet to get in. Of course all this is too premature at this point in the season.
If UWO wins the rest of their games during the regular season and happens to lose in the conf. tourney, they would be a lock for a Pool C Bid.
IMO, UWO should be able to lose 2 more games in the regular season and still be able to get in the NCAA tourney if they happen to lose in the conf. tourney. If this would occur, UWO would have 6 in-region losses. Last year that wasn't good enough, but with 13 more Pool C Bids this year, they would be a good bet to get in. Of course all this is too premature at this point in the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ajwagner on January 23, 2006, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: ajwagner on January 23, 2006, 02:33:38 PM
OK, it's my own damn fault for not being around ... but somebody mentioned a WIAC team and the words "lock for a Pool C bid" in the same sentence without the words "screwed out of". I know the tourney has expanded, but what are the new breakdowns?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ajwagner on January 23, 2006, 02:46:24 PM
Post by: ajwagner on January 23, 2006, 02:46:24 PM
Oops. I found Mr. Coleman's FAQs. I am now educated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 23, 2006, 05:00:09 PM
Post by: BDB on January 23, 2006, 05:00:09 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 21, 2006, 04:08:10 PM
What happened to internet broadcast of the Stout-Platteville game? >:(
foul,
I think you should e-mail the Program Director at WMEQ.com and let them know the womens game wasn't on the internet.
Sometimes the Board Operator forgets to flip the switch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on January 25, 2006, 10:31:56 AM
Post by: wisconsinball on January 25, 2006, 10:31:56 AM
Pretty quite on here, especially with the big games coming up tonight.
Maybe to get some discussion going (even thought we are already a game into the 2nd half of the conf season) and copy the men's WIAC board with the Mid-Season conference
POY- Kelsey Duoss- Stout, obvious reasons
COY- Lois Heeren - UWL, has made a huge step forward, even with last few losses
All Conference: Eggers-UWO, Herrick-UWO, Schultz-UWSP, Kaiser-UWP, O'Keefe-UWO
Maybe to get some discussion going (even thought we are already a game into the 2nd half of the conf season) and copy the men's WIAC board with the Mid-Season conference
POY- Kelsey Duoss- Stout, obvious reasons
COY- Lois Heeren - UWL, has made a huge step forward, even with last few losses
All Conference: Eggers-UWO, Herrick-UWO, Schultz-UWSP, Kaiser-UWP, O'Keefe-UWO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 02:03:42 PM
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 02:03:42 PM
POY-Duoss
COY-Heeren
All Conf- Duoss, Herrick, Eggers, Schultz, Kaiser, Riemann, Becker, O' Keef, Morris, Buechner
COY-Heeren
All Conf- Duoss, Herrick, Eggers, Schultz, Kaiser, Riemann, Becker, O' Keef, Morris, Buechner
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 04:27:27 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 04:27:27 PM
I'm hesitant to do so, because the way this league goes, things will change by the end of the season, anyway. Ha. But...
Coach of the Year - UWL's Lois Heeren.
Co-POY - Stout's Kelsey Duoss and Oshkosh's Brittany Herrick.
But MVPs - in a sense of who is most valuable to a their respective teams - Point's Amanda Schultz and UWEC's Rachel Becker...
Some good ballgames tonight, ladies and gentlemen... Back with my take on the UWEC/Stout game after it's done!
Coach of the Year - UWL's Lois Heeren.
Co-POY - Stout's Kelsey Duoss and Oshkosh's Brittany Herrick.
But MVPs - in a sense of who is most valuable to a their respective teams - Point's Amanda Schultz and UWEC's Rachel Becker...
Some good ballgames tonight, ladies and gentlemen... Back with my take on the UWEC/Stout game after it's done!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2006, 08:51:34 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2006, 08:51:34 PM
Anybody with updates to the UWO/SP game? Neither link on the SP page is working.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2006, 10:16:16 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2006, 10:16:16 PM
Stevens Point gets the big win
66-63
66-63
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 10:52:27 PM
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 10:52:27 PM
Stout over EC 67-54. For the first 10min, I thought EC was playing some D-1 team wearing UW-Stout jerseys. Stout was hitting everything. If I remember correctly, they only missed 1 shot in the first 10 minutes of the game. At this time, the score was 32-9. EC goes on a small run to end up down 15 at the half. Most of the 2nd half had Stout leading by 10-12 points. Stout uped it to 17 with 5min to go and then EC rallys back to make it a seven point game with 1:30 left. Stout hits their FTs down the stretch.
In the first half EC's seniors stunk up the place. Becker rebounded with a pretty good second half but Van Drasek played even worse then she did before the half, if that was possible.
IMO, Duoss is the clear MVP of the WIAC: 25pts 13reb tonight. However, I would have liked to see more 3-second calls on her this evening.
Point outscores UWO 10-3 in the final 3min to win 66-63. Makes the conference race a little more interesting.
In the first half EC's seniors stunk up the place. Becker rebounded with a pretty good second half but Van Drasek played even worse then she did before the half, if that was possible.
IMO, Duoss is the clear MVP of the WIAC: 25pts 13reb tonight. However, I would have liked to see more 3-second calls on her this evening.
Point outscores UWO 10-3 in the final 3min to win 66-63. Makes the conference race a little more interesting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 11:30:56 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 11:30:56 PM
After seeing Kelsey Duoss tonight, I'll give her the mid-season POY award that I earlier today had her sharing with UWO's Brittany Herrick.
As buf notes, it seemed like Stout hit everything in the first half; I was surprised their field goal percentage in the half was only 46.7%. Seems like they hit about 80% of their shots... Perhaps it seemed like 80% because they hit 5 of 10 threes in the half. Or maybe it was the fact that EC only shot 7-27, or 25.9%, in the half.
That first-half shooting and big 17-0 run after a 3-0 start by the 'Golds enabled the Devils to open up a 38-23 lead, which the 'Golds could never make up... Spent a lot of energy trying to climb out of the hole they dug, but the closest they could come was 7 in the second half.
I liked the fight in this Blugold team tonight, though, and I know they don't want moral victories, but...
And, if my math his right, there is now a three-way tie at the top? Stout, Oshkosh and the Pointers all 8-3????
As buf notes, it seemed like Stout hit everything in the first half; I was surprised their field goal percentage in the half was only 46.7%. Seems like they hit about 80% of their shots... Perhaps it seemed like 80% because they hit 5 of 10 threes in the half. Or maybe it was the fact that EC only shot 7-27, or 25.9%, in the half.
That first-half shooting and big 17-0 run after a 3-0 start by the 'Golds enabled the Devils to open up a 38-23 lead, which the 'Golds could never make up... Spent a lot of energy trying to climb out of the hole they dug, but the closest they could come was 7 in the second half.
I liked the fight in this Blugold team tonight, though, and I know they don't want moral victories, but...
And, if my math his right, there is now a three-way tie at the top? Stout, Oshkosh and the Pointers all 8-3????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 11:44:23 PM
Post by: buf on January 25, 2006, 11:44:23 PM
UWO is 8-2, while Stout and Point are 7-3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 11:58:08 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 25, 2006, 11:58:08 PM
Yep, good catch buf...
I took the standings from the WIAC site, and added a loss to UWO, but neglected to see that they were already updated for tonight's games...
I took the standings from the WIAC site, and added a loss to UWO, but neglected to see that they were already updated for tonight's games...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
RF beats Superior by 10 which isn't very remarkable in itself. But, Superior attempted ZERO free throws. I'm not sure I've ever seen that before in a college game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2006, 01:28:24 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2006, 01:28:24 PM
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS
1 Oshkosh 8-2
8 Whitewater 3-6
4 La Crosse 6-4
5 River Falls 5-5
3 Stout 7-3
6 Platteville 4-5
2 Stevens Point 7-3
7 Eau Claire 4-6
1 Oshkosh 8-2
8 Whitewater 3-6
4 La Crosse 6-4
5 River Falls 5-5
3 Stout 7-3
6 Platteville 4-5
2 Stevens Point 7-3
7 Eau Claire 4-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2006, 02:22:31 PM
Post by: buf on January 26, 2006, 02:22:31 PM
Just Bill-
Last night, EC men came close to the zero FT attempts by the Superior women's team. They were 0-2.
Last night, EC men came close to the zero FT attempts by the Superior women's team. They were 0-2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2006, 01:08:44 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2006, 01:08:44 PM
Rico 21 (via the men's board)-
I am not complaining about the EC men getting only 2 attempts. I know they were constantly running the shot clock down and taking 3 pointers.
Earlier in the day, I was looking at all the boxscores for the conference and noticed EC was 0-2. I then saw Just Bill's post about zero FT attempts by Superior, so I posted about what I saw in the EC-Stout boxscore.
I am not complaining about the EC men getting only 2 attempts. I know they were constantly running the shot clock down and taking 3 pointers.
Earlier in the day, I was looking at all the boxscores for the conference and noticed EC was 0-2. I then saw Just Bill's post about zero FT attempts by Superior, so I posted about what I saw in the EC-Stout boxscore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 09:37:17 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 09:37:17 AM
BDB
Nice game in Eau Claire, though; rather than try to listen, I went.
QuoteI think you should e-mail the Program Director at WMEQ.comHow does one do that? I'm trying to make sure I don't miss another game, went to the WMEQ website and see absolutely NO 'contact us' links. Of course, the new site is a little busy, so it could be there. I'm not seeing it. UW-Stout site says both games are scheduled, but my faith has waned after last week.
Nice game in Eau Claire, though; rather than try to listen, I went.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2006, 05:41:29 PM
Post by: buf on January 28, 2006, 05:41:29 PM
UWO 48
RF 67
No O'Keef for UWO. I noticed she has been out a couple of games lately. Anyone know why???
Anyway, Eggers with only 2pts, and Herrick with 8pts.
RF had 5 players in double figure scoring.
RF 67
No O'Keef for UWO. I noticed she has been out a couple of games lately. Anyone know why???
Anyway, Eggers with only 2pts, and Herrick with 8pts.
RF had 5 players in double figure scoring.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:16:17 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:16:17 PM
Stout blows a golden opportunity by losing to Whitewater. Can't wait to see the stats; sounds like WW dominated the boards.
It's a crazy year.
It's a crazy year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:34:59 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:34:59 PM
LaCrosse smacks Superior around. It was only a six point game the last time they met. I had hoped better for Superior, but no recruiting last year, none this year. Chances are Superior isn't going to have a better season next year, either. I believe Superior has opened its search for men's and women's coaches again, but I perceive (from rumored requirements) them to be really screwy. At Superior, if it ain't hockey, it just ain't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2006, 10:28:48 PM
Post by: buf on January 28, 2006, 10:28:48 PM
UWEC over UWP 49-37. Good defense, poor shooting to sum it up. Gold's looked better in the 2nd half. After a horrible performance on Wednesday, Van drasek shoots lights-out from the outside the arc (3/4). Zenner had 11 pts and Arc. chipped in with a double-double (10pts, 11rebs). Anderson and Becker played sparingly as they are nursing ankle injuries.
UWEC's zone completely takes Kaiser out of the game. UWP had some decent looks from the outside but couldn't knock them down.
UWEC's zone completely takes Kaiser out of the game. UWP had some decent looks from the outside but couldn't knock them down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2006, 12:10:36 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2006, 12:10:36 AM
Platteville had a chance to take its first lead of the night, and go in at the half with the momentum, but Heather Witt's steal and layup to close out the first half was a big one for the Blugolds, to keep them up 21-18.
'Golds then came out in the second half to go on a 15-0 run, to basically put the game away. Liz Van Dresek had 13, and hit two threes during the run, and Heidi Arciszewski added one. She scored 10, with 11 boards, and showed why she will be all-conference in this league... Amanda Zenner had a nice game, too. Seems to quietly provide a spark...
As buf said, Platteville had some open shots, launching 25 threes, hitting but four. Were only 2-17 in the second half as they tried to catch up...
Stout and Oshkosh both lose? Who wants that coveted home court advantage throughout the conference tournament??? ;) Watch out for those Pointers...
'Golds then came out in the second half to go on a 15-0 run, to basically put the game away. Liz Van Dresek had 13, and hit two threes during the run, and Heidi Arciszewski added one. She scored 10, with 11 boards, and showed why she will be all-conference in this league... Amanda Zenner had a nice game, too. Seems to quietly provide a spark...
As buf said, Platteville had some open shots, launching 25 threes, hitting but four. Were only 2-17 in the second half as they tried to catch up...
Stout and Oshkosh both lose? Who wants that coveted home court advantage throughout the conference tournament??? ;) Watch out for those Pointers...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 29, 2006, 01:59:20 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 29, 2006, 01:59:20 AM
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS
"What the hell is going on here!"
Like I said on the Men's side, bear with me on this one...
1 Oshkosh 8-3
8 Platteville 4-6
4 La Crosse 7-4
5 River Falls 6-5
3 Stout 7-4
6 Eau Claire 5-6
2 Stevens Point 7-3
7 Whitewater 4-6
Best Games on Wednesday:
4. Whitewater @ Platteville: Honestly, these are 4 very important games on Wednesday for the women's side, and quite frankly this day will probably have more impact on the year then the men's side. These teams are battling for the 7th seed in this case. Whitewater won the first match up this year, and Platteville once considered a darkhorse is falling into the shadow. They need a win to give them some confidence.
3. River Falls @ Stout: What is going on with the lady Blue Devils? One would say that coming home would be the right remedy for them. But not against a very hot River Falls team that is finding there stroke. In all honesty, due to sickness both O'Keef and Eggers were no where close to 100%. But again, the Falcons almost knocked off the Titans at Kolf this year. This is a blow up game, meaning that if River Falls can pull off the upset, this conference is really going to be out of place.
2. Eau Claire @ Stevens Point: The Pointers have to feel great right now, beating Oshkosh by 3 to spilt the year series. Playing at home is right where they want to be, cause depending on what happens in La Crosse, they could regain home court advantage. Of course, that would be the case if they weren't playing the hottest team in the WIAC, in Eau Claire. At one point, it was a pipe dream to think Eau Claire could get back to .500 in the WIAC, now they are one win away. If you are going to pick an upset, this might be it.
1. La Crosse @ Oshkosh: Losing two more games on the road just shows that Oshkosh's weakness is playing on the road. Simply, this team is totally different when they are away (3-3), and when they are home (5-0). Which is a good thing they have La Crosse visiting. But with doubts now about the health of O'Keef and Eggers, what kind of Oshkosh team should we expect? Remember, the number 1 seed has always won the conference tourney for womens basketball...just ask Oshkosh, as the past 4 years they have lost on the road in the championship game. Battling for homecourt advantage, attempting to get healthy, all the while playing against a La Crosse team that themselves are trying to win this thing...might not add up to being good news for Oshkosh. This is the Statement game, cause whoever wins will be making one.
"What the hell is going on here!"
Like I said on the Men's side, bear with me on this one...
1 Oshkosh 8-3
8 Platteville 4-6
4 La Crosse 7-4
5 River Falls 6-5
3 Stout 7-4
6 Eau Claire 5-6
2 Stevens Point 7-3
7 Whitewater 4-6
Best Games on Wednesday:
4. Whitewater @ Platteville: Honestly, these are 4 very important games on Wednesday for the women's side, and quite frankly this day will probably have more impact on the year then the men's side. These teams are battling for the 7th seed in this case. Whitewater won the first match up this year, and Platteville once considered a darkhorse is falling into the shadow. They need a win to give them some confidence.
3. River Falls @ Stout: What is going on with the lady Blue Devils? One would say that coming home would be the right remedy for them. But not against a very hot River Falls team that is finding there stroke. In all honesty, due to sickness both O'Keef and Eggers were no where close to 100%. But again, the Falcons almost knocked off the Titans at Kolf this year. This is a blow up game, meaning that if River Falls can pull off the upset, this conference is really going to be out of place.
2. Eau Claire @ Stevens Point: The Pointers have to feel great right now, beating Oshkosh by 3 to spilt the year series. Playing at home is right where they want to be, cause depending on what happens in La Crosse, they could regain home court advantage. Of course, that would be the case if they weren't playing the hottest team in the WIAC, in Eau Claire. At one point, it was a pipe dream to think Eau Claire could get back to .500 in the WIAC, now they are one win away. If you are going to pick an upset, this might be it.
1. La Crosse @ Oshkosh: Losing two more games on the road just shows that Oshkosh's weakness is playing on the road. Simply, this team is totally different when they are away (3-3), and when they are home (5-0). Which is a good thing they have La Crosse visiting. But with doubts now about the health of O'Keef and Eggers, what kind of Oshkosh team should we expect? Remember, the number 1 seed has always won the conference tourney for womens basketball...just ask Oshkosh, as the past 4 years they have lost on the road in the championship game. Battling for homecourt advantage, attempting to get healthy, all the while playing against a La Crosse team that themselves are trying to win this thing...might not add up to being good news for Oshkosh. This is the Statement game, cause whoever wins will be making one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2006, 02:05:52 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2006, 02:05:52 AM
Mr. Downtown.
Just got over from the men's side here, and was wondering if you were going to break down the standings as of this moment for the women, too. Ha.
Keep up the good work, and the great insights, too. Now go to bed, already. Ha.
With the way things are shaking out on the women's side, who knows how late we will be up posting here on Wednesday/early Thursday. ;)
Just got over from the men's side here, and was wondering if you were going to break down the standings as of this moment for the women, too. Ha.
Keep up the good work, and the great insights, too. Now go to bed, already. Ha.
With the way things are shaking out on the women's side, who knows how late we will be up posting here on Wednesday/early Thursday. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2006, 04:15:52 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2006, 04:15:52 PM
So, I decide to take a peek at the CCIW to see how Millikin (last year's DIII champ, and whose road to the championship was arguably at its bumpiest when Millikin faced Stout and beat them with a 3-point shot at under--what was it?--30 seconds on the clock) is doing this year. Tied for fifth place out of eight with a 3-4 record. I really expected them to dominate. Maybe they're holding for a late-season surge. The teams that never seem to waver are those east coast teams, Southern Maine and the other whoevers.
Does anyone pay attention to the non-Central teams and know which are powerhouses and which just make top-25 lists because they have weak opponents/conferences?
What about non-WIAC teams in the area--Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois?
Who do you look out for? We're getting close enough to post-season to start making some guesses, anyway.
Does anyone pay attention to the non-Central teams and know which are powerhouses and which just make top-25 lists because they have weak opponents/conferences?
What about non-WIAC teams in the area--Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois?
Who do you look out for? We're getting close enough to post-season to start making some guesses, anyway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:32:18 PM
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:32:18 PM
foul-
I follow non-central region teams. More so through looking at stats and listening on the radio (not actually seeing them play live unless vs. UWEC at Zorn). But I think I have a pretty good grasp of the recent history of D3. I will try to list some contenders from the regions.
Central
I would say Wheaton and Wash U are the top 2. Millikin started the season well but has now fallen flat on their face. However, I wouldn't count this team out just yet. A couple of their players are out with injuries??? and one of their better players from last year is just returning after tearing her ACL.
Maryville has a good record and has defeated Wash U earlier this year, but they come from a weak conference and I don't expect much from them in the post season.
Carroll has beaten UWO and Point but lost to EC. A solid team, but I wasn't too impressed with them at Zorn. Lawrence has also emerged in the MWC, however they have some tough games left.
In the UAA, there is Chicago. I just don't think they will survive the rest of the UAA schedule.
My top central teams:
1. Wheaton
2. Wash U
3. Point
4. UWO
5. Carroll
I follow non-central region teams. More so through looking at stats and listening on the radio (not actually seeing them play live unless vs. UWEC at Zorn). But I think I have a pretty good grasp of the recent history of D3. I will try to list some contenders from the regions.
Central
I would say Wheaton and Wash U are the top 2. Millikin started the season well but has now fallen flat on their face. However, I wouldn't count this team out just yet. A couple of their players are out with injuries??? and one of their better players from last year is just returning after tearing her ACL.
Maryville has a good record and has defeated Wash U earlier this year, but they come from a weak conference and I don't expect much from them in the post season.
Carroll has beaten UWO and Point but lost to EC. A solid team, but I wasn't too impressed with them at Zorn. Lawrence has also emerged in the MWC, however they have some tough games left.
In the UAA, there is Chicago. I just don't think they will survive the rest of the UAA schedule.
My top central teams:
1. Wheaton
2. Wash U
3. Point
4. UWO
5. Carroll
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
West
This region is up for grabs. My preseason favorite, St. Bens started out well but has lost a couple lately. I have watched a few of their home games via video stream on the internet. They have a good post (Hiekenen) and a good 3-point shooter (Noreen) but thats about it besides a couple decent roll players. I think that Point, UWO or Stout would be able to handle them. Gustavus and Concordia are other atop the MIAC. I wasn't too impressed with Gustavus at EC's Thanksgiving touney, but they seem to be playing better now.
Leading the IIAC is Simpson. Other threats are Buena Vista and Luther. I was really impressed with Luther at EC's thanksgiving tourney. They destroyed Gustavus and EC played a great game to beat them. After starting the season on a roll, their play has dipped a bit. BV has been atop the conference the last few years. Don't know much about Simpson. Usually IIAC teams win 1 or 2 in the tourney and thats about it.
IMO, the NWC is the best west region conference. I would watch out for Pacific Lutheran. I saw them play 3 years ago when EC played them in the NCAA tourney, and they almost beat EC. I like their coach.
A couple California teams will make the tourney, but I don't expect them to do much, eventhough EC dropped a couple out there during the Holidays.
Top West teams:
1. Pacific Lutheran
2. Simpson
3. St. Benedict
4. Puget Sound
5. Buena Vista/Luther
I will give my opinion on other regions later.
This region is up for grabs. My preseason favorite, St. Bens started out well but has lost a couple lately. I have watched a few of their home games via video stream on the internet. They have a good post (Hiekenen) and a good 3-point shooter (Noreen) but thats about it besides a couple decent roll players. I think that Point, UWO or Stout would be able to handle them. Gustavus and Concordia are other atop the MIAC. I wasn't too impressed with Gustavus at EC's Thanksgiving touney, but they seem to be playing better now.
Leading the IIAC is Simpson. Other threats are Buena Vista and Luther. I was really impressed with Luther at EC's thanksgiving tourney. They destroyed Gustavus and EC played a great game to beat them. After starting the season on a roll, their play has dipped a bit. BV has been atop the conference the last few years. Don't know much about Simpson. Usually IIAC teams win 1 or 2 in the tourney and thats about it.
IMO, the NWC is the best west region conference. I would watch out for Pacific Lutheran. I saw them play 3 years ago when EC played them in the NCAA tourney, and they almost beat EC. I like their coach.
A couple California teams will make the tourney, but I don't expect them to do much, eventhough EC dropped a couple out there during the Holidays.
Top West teams:
1. Pacific Lutheran
2. Simpson
3. St. Benedict
4. Puget Sound
5. Buena Vista/Luther
I will give my opinion on other regions later.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2006, 06:47:02 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2006, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 28, 2006, 06:16:17 PM
Stout blows a golden opportunity by losing to Whitewater. Can't wait to see the stats; sounds like WW dominated the boards.
It's a crazy year.
WHITEWATER[/color] won the battle of the boards 51-45 but more importantly 23 of those were on the offensive side of the floor. So WHITEWATER[/color] took 14 more shots than the Blue Devil though neither team shot that well. Stout had their chances down the stretch as WHITEWATER[/color] only made 7 of 16 free throw attempts in the final 2:38. But WHITEWATER[/color] got enough stops and held on. Stout took the first game by 22 points so this was huge turnaround. Coach Thomas was noticeably frustrated.
It was a nice win against a good program and her mentor for coach Carollo.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 07:40:25 PM
Post by: buf on January 29, 2006, 07:40:25 PM
My top Great Lakes teams:
1. Depauw-only loss at Wash U
2. Hope-always up there year in year out. Good coaching staff
3. Baldwin Wallace
4. Calvin-Hope's archrival
South teams:
McMurry
Randolph Macon
Trinity
Hardin Simmons
I'll just group all the east coast region teams into one.
Brandeis
NYU
Southern Maine
Bowdoin
Rochester
Scranton
The UAA teams are the strength of the east coast regions. There are a lot of teams in these regions with good records, but most are pretenders on the national scene. The quality (depth) isn't the same that is found in the central, west and great lakes regions. However, the teams listed above are good and I would expect to see probably 2 of them make the Final Four, not because I think that 2 listed above are in the top four nationally, but since the east coast is isolated you will find teams out there grouped together, thus creating a weaker bracket. Someone has got to come out of that certain bracket(s) to make the Final Four. For example, look at Point's mens team last year. In the Final Four they played York and Rochester, who they both destroyed. These teams weren't anywhere near the top 4 in the country, but were put in weaker (east coast) brackets.
I'm not saying that the east coast teams (besides UAA) don't have a chance. Its just that throughout the past decade or so I have not seen much from these teams when they play against the rest on the country. In fact, the last team from the 4 east coast regions (non-UAA) to win the national championship was Elizabethtown in 1989.
So there is my rundown as of now. I have followed the central region the most and have kept a pretty good eye on the West. The other regions, especially the east regions, I know very little of.
1. Depauw-only loss at Wash U
2. Hope-always up there year in year out. Good coaching staff
3. Baldwin Wallace
4. Calvin-Hope's archrival
South teams:
McMurry
Randolph Macon
Trinity
Hardin Simmons
I'll just group all the east coast region teams into one.
Brandeis
NYU
Southern Maine
Bowdoin
Rochester
Scranton
The UAA teams are the strength of the east coast regions. There are a lot of teams in these regions with good records, but most are pretenders on the national scene. The quality (depth) isn't the same that is found in the central, west and great lakes regions. However, the teams listed above are good and I would expect to see probably 2 of them make the Final Four, not because I think that 2 listed above are in the top four nationally, but since the east coast is isolated you will find teams out there grouped together, thus creating a weaker bracket. Someone has got to come out of that certain bracket(s) to make the Final Four. For example, look at Point's mens team last year. In the Final Four they played York and Rochester, who they both destroyed. These teams weren't anywhere near the top 4 in the country, but were put in weaker (east coast) brackets.
I'm not saying that the east coast teams (besides UAA) don't have a chance. Its just that throughout the past decade or so I have not seen much from these teams when they play against the rest on the country. In fact, the last team from the 4 east coast regions (non-UAA) to win the national championship was Elizabethtown in 1989.
So there is my rundown as of now. I have followed the central region the most and have kept a pretty good eye on the West. The other regions, especially the east regions, I know very little of.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2006, 08:00:41 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2006, 08:00:41 PM
How do the schools mentioned in the various conferences as contenders match up in size? Does it matter? Which is more likely to contend: a larger school (# of students) or a school with a deeper tradition of basketball with a smaller student population? Is there any reliable indicator or pattern?
I tend to feel bad for the smaller schools competing against the bigger schools...until the little ones whip the snot out of the opponent. Then I have to wonder about dynamics--what got those players to the school. Without $ incentive, how do you get a player to choose a particular school? Do recruiters bring along a college catalog and dazzle prospects with a dazzling display of majors and minors?
I tend to feel bad for the smaller schools competing against the bigger schools...until the little ones whip the snot out of the opponent. Then I have to wonder about dynamics--what got those players to the school. Without $ incentive, how do you get a player to choose a particular school? Do recruiters bring along a college catalog and dazzle prospects with a dazzling display of majors and minors?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: uofs on January 29, 2006, 09:01:11 PM
Post by: uofs on January 29, 2006, 09:01:11 PM
buf out of the east who do you consider the pretenders?I hope you are not refering to Scranton because they are there every year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 02:14:41 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 02:14:41 PM
uofs-
Your correct, Scranton does consitantly make it to the sweet 16 (and beyond). They are definately a good team, but I think the eastern UAA teams and probably Southern Maine are better. But again, I don't know a whole lot about most east coast teams.
What are your thoughts?
Your correct, Scranton does consitantly make it to the sweet 16 (and beyond). They are definately a good team, but I think the eastern UAA teams and probably Southern Maine are better. But again, I don't know a whole lot about most east coast teams.
What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 02:28:33 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 02:28:33 PM
foul-
From what I have seen, the WIAC teams are more physical then the east coast conferences. In fact as a conference, I would list WIAC as the most physical. UAA would probably come next.
School enrollment doesn't really matter. Generally, players are recruited to come to the school. If recruiting was not permitted, then a larger enrollment would have an advantage (like in high school). I have rarely seen a player, who wasn't recruited make significant contributions to a team. One exception is Joe Werner on UWL's men's team.
From what I have seen, the WIAC teams are more physical then the east coast conferences. In fact as a conference, I would list WIAC as the most physical. UAA would probably come next.
School enrollment doesn't really matter. Generally, players are recruited to come to the school. If recruiting was not permitted, then a larger enrollment would have an advantage (like in high school). I have rarely seen a player, who wasn't recruited make significant contributions to a team. One exception is Joe Werner on UWL's men's team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: uofs on January 30, 2006, 04:25:59 PM
Post by: uofs on January 30, 2006, 04:25:59 PM
Buf just click on sites Middle Atlantic Women click on Scranton and scroll through the web and you will be more impressed with them then any of the teams you mentioned.Scranton accomplished alot more then NYU and Brandeis put together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 30, 2006, 04:49:14 PM
Post by: billys on January 30, 2006, 04:49:14 PM
Downtown, or voft- I see O'Keefe didn't play against UWRF and Eggers was only listed at like 10 minutes. Does anyone know what's up with them. La Crosse has got them on Wednesday and those two killed them a few weeks ago in La Crosse.
Just curious.
Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 09:16:43 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 09:16:43 PM
billys-
In the boxscore on the UWO website, the summary said that both O'Keef and Eggers were dealing with illnesses. I don't know how severe they are. I am guessing the flu???
In the boxscore on the UWO website, the summary said that both O'Keef and Eggers were dealing with illnesses. I don't know how severe they are. I am guessing the flu???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 09:47:36 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2006, 09:47:36 PM
uofs-
Scranton does have some impressive wins over a couple of good non-conference teams (Simpson, Baldwin Wallace). In my analysis of the east coast, the teams I listed are teams to watch out for in March. The "pretenders" I was refering to are other east coast teams (that I didn't list) with good records that I think aren't teams that can go deep into the tourney. However, with that being said, if I were to pick Scranton vs. lets say NYU or Brandeis, I would probably go with the UAA team. I just believe that teams from top conferences who play tough games week in and week out are better prepared come March.
Scranton does have some impressive wins over a couple of good non-conference teams (Simpson, Baldwin Wallace). In my analysis of the east coast, the teams I listed are teams to watch out for in March. The "pretenders" I was refering to are other east coast teams (that I didn't list) with good records that I think aren't teams that can go deep into the tourney. However, with that being said, if I were to pick Scranton vs. lets say NYU or Brandeis, I would probably go with the UAA team. I just believe that teams from top conferences who play tough games week in and week out are better prepared come March.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 31, 2006, 01:55:40 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 31, 2006, 01:55:40 AM
Early reports right now out of Oshkosh is that both O'Keef and Eggers are extremely sick, and are very questionable for the game tomorrow against La Crosse..
Stay tuned
Stay tuned
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 02, 2006, 01:19:04 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 02, 2006, 01:19:04 AM
Yeah, they were pretty sick tonight. UWL did the right thing by running and gunning, along with rotating as many fresh legs as they could. Didn't work as UWO pulled it out. Hopefully some rest will get them healthy before the stout trip. I had to chuckle a little to hear many hacking coughs during the national anthem from the UWO side. Can be devastating when an illness runs through a team. But a few technicolor coughs during break time for O'Keef and Eggers kept them well enough to play. Huge games by Tyriver and Knapp. A good win for a team dealing with quite the bug.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2006, 11:52:08 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2006, 11:52:08 AM
A bad loss, 57-54, in Platteville for the WARHAWKS[/color]. After beating them by 29 at home and starting a five game Pioneer skid this game was a winnable road contest. Exactly the kind of game the HAWKS[/color] need to win to take the next step. The game was close throughout before Platteville built a 10 point lead. WHITEWATER[/color] rallied but a costly turnover in the closing minute and a couple clutch free throws by Platteville doomed the comeback attempt.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titansrus on February 02, 2006, 12:52:04 PM
Post by: titansrus on February 02, 2006, 12:52:04 PM
Big win for the Titans last night, with Eggers and O'Keef nowhere near even 90%. Whitney Tyriver was player of the game in my mind. 10 points,4-7 from the field, 2-2 from the line, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 5 steals. Maybe most importantly only 1 foul. She's been foul-prone throughout the year and they needed her to play big minutes last night and she did-38, most on the team. I thought her defense was exceptional; best all-around game for her this year in my mind. Becky Knapp also played well-2 huge threes and tough defense. Eggers and O'Keefe played about as well as could be expected w/their illnesses. Off the bench, Dempsey and Fehring played well., 5 and 6 points respectively. Huge game at Stout on Saturday. Hopefully Eggers and O'Keefe can be a little better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
WARHAWKS[/color] get their first conference road win in a big way with a season high scoring outburst, 95-75 in Superior. WHITEWATER[/color] opened the game with a 18-4 run. Superior managed to trim the lead to six 18-12 but that was as close as they'd get the rest of the game. Amy Morris led the WARHAWKS[/color] with 27 points. Lindsey Buechner added 23 points despite spending most of the second half on the bench with foul problems. Mary Donohoo scored 14 points and Megan Schmidt came off the bench to contribute 12 points.
WHITEWATER[/color] improves to 5-7 in conference play and creeps back over the .500 mark on the season at 11-10.
WHITEWATER[/color] improves to 5-7 in conference play and creeps back over the .500 mark on the season at 11-10.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 04, 2006, 09:27:46 PM
Post by: buf on February 04, 2006, 09:27:46 PM
Stout stomps UWO 88-73.
Similar to the game vs. EC a couple weeks ago - Stout out to a 20+ point lead and then UWO slowly cuts it down to 7 with 2min left, Stout sinks the FTs.
For Stout, good games from Duoss, Hendricks and Bird.
For UWO, an excellent game from Herrick.
Halftime score was 56-36. Its been a long time since I have seen a womens team score 56pts in one half!!!
Similar to the game vs. EC a couple weeks ago - Stout out to a 20+ point lead and then UWO slowly cuts it down to 7 with 2min left, Stout sinks the FTs.
For Stout, good games from Duoss, Hendricks and Bird.
For UWO, an excellent game from Herrick.
Halftime score was 56-36. Its been a long time since I have seen a womens team score 56pts in one half!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2006, 12:57:48 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2006, 12:57:48 AM
The WARHAWK[/color] women scored 57 in the first half today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 12:39:10 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 12:39:10 PM
Let's compare scoring 56 points in the first half against Oshkosh to scoring 57 points in the first half against Superior...or let's not.
Stout did yesterday what I thought they would do in their first meeting: run Oshkosh ragged. If Oshkosh had more depth--I think four players never took off their warm-ups (I know, six for Stout never got down to playing clothes, either, but Stout had eight players with over 15 minutes, and one with 14 to Oshkosh's six with 15+ minutes)--and maybe perfect health, the second half come-back might have been more significant. Oshkosh shows incredible poise; a waning shot clock doesn't seem to phase them. They take beautiful shots and make them. Stout's pace is much more frenzied, but that's Stout's game. Working the shot clock usually works against them. They get down below 15 seconds and Stout is as likely to lose the ball as not. That's OK; speed is their game.
And, if it gets to be a fouling game--which I hate--Stout always has something like 40 fouls to give up before it gets in trouble. I guess that's the advantage to having a large family.
Stout did yesterday what I thought they would do in their first meeting: run Oshkosh ragged. If Oshkosh had more depth--I think four players never took off their warm-ups (I know, six for Stout never got down to playing clothes, either, but Stout had eight players with over 15 minutes, and one with 14 to Oshkosh's six with 15+ minutes)--and maybe perfect health, the second half come-back might have been more significant. Oshkosh shows incredible poise; a waning shot clock doesn't seem to phase them. They take beautiful shots and make them. Stout's pace is much more frenzied, but that's Stout's game. Working the shot clock usually works against them. They get down below 15 seconds and Stout is as likely to lose the ball as not. That's OK; speed is their game.
And, if it gets to be a fouling game--which I hate--Stout always has something like 40 fouls to give up before it gets in trouble. I guess that's the advantage to having a large family.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2006, 01:03:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2006, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 12:39:10 PM
Let's compare scoring 56 points in the first half against Oshkosh to scoring 57 points in the first half against Superior...or let's not.
Stout scored 54 against Superior on 12/7.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 07:11:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2006, 07:11:49 PM
QuoteStout scored 54 against Superior on 12/7Total? Yikes.
Actually, I thought Superior usually played first halves pretty well. It's the second half where they generally poop out. This year, maybe not so much.
I would seriously like to see Superior do a LaCrosse and come up with winning ways. Probably not to be for a while. Getting a coach would probably be a first step. Twelve step program?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2006, 06:20:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2006, 06:20:34 PM
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS
Alright, if you read on the mens side...you already know how complicated this is going to be.
Believe it or not...it really concerns the 6-8th seeds.
So with that being said, i will keep those seeds blank to explain the tiebreakers
1 Stevens Point 9-3
8
4 River Falls 7-6
5 La Crosse 7-6
3 Stout 9-4
6
2 Oshkosh 9-4
7
Now for Eau Claire, Whitewater, and Platteville.
First tiebreaker, record against each other...
Whitewater/Platteville/ Eau Claire
WW/ X / 1-1 / 0-1
Platt/ 1-1 / X / 2-0
EC/ 1-0 / 0-2 / X
With that being said: Whitewater has a better record then Eau Claire
Eau Claire has a better record then Platteville
Platteville and Whitewater are tied.
Hmm...
So now...we go to Tiebreaker 2
Alright, if you read on the mens side...you already know how complicated this is going to be.
Believe it or not...it really concerns the 6-8th seeds.
So with that being said, i will keep those seeds blank to explain the tiebreakers
1 Stevens Point 9-3
8
4 River Falls 7-6
5 La Crosse 7-6
3 Stout 9-4
6
2 Oshkosh 9-4
7
Now for Eau Claire, Whitewater, and Platteville.
First tiebreaker, record against each other...
Whitewater/Platteville/ Eau Claire
WW/ X / 1-1 / 0-1
Platt/ 1-1 / X / 2-0
EC/ 1-0 / 0-2 / X
With that being said: Whitewater has a better record then Eau Claire
Eau Claire has a better record then Platteville
Platteville and Whitewater are tied.
Hmm...
So now...we go to Tiebreaker 2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2006, 06:27:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2006, 06:27:29 PM
Tiebreaker 2 is OVERALL RECORD against teams that are above in standings...
Meaning we have to figure out Whitewater's, Eau Claire's, and Platteville's against Stevens Point, Oshkosh, Stout, La Crosse, River Falls.
Whitewater/ Platteville/ Eau Claire
SP/ 0-1 / 0-1 / 1-1
OSH/ 0-1 / 1-0 / 0-1
ST/ 1-1 / 1-1 / 0-2
LAX/ 0-2 / 0-1 / 1-1
RF/ 1-0 / 1-1 / 1-0
------------------------------------------
2-5 / 3-4 / 3-5
So with that being said, Platteville earns the top seed out of the three.
Then you have Whitewater and Eau Claire, and because of the tiebreaker rules it goes back to number 1...head to head.
With that being said...these are the CONFERENCE SEEDINGS
1 Stevens Point 9-3
8 Eau Claire 5-7
4 River Falls 7-6
5 La Crosse 7-6
3 Stout 9-4
6 Platteville 5-7
2 Oshkosh 9-4
7 Whitewater 5-7
Meaning we have to figure out Whitewater's, Eau Claire's, and Platteville's against Stevens Point, Oshkosh, Stout, La Crosse, River Falls.
Whitewater/ Platteville/ Eau Claire
SP/ 0-1 / 0-1 / 1-1
OSH/ 0-1 / 1-0 / 0-1
ST/ 1-1 / 1-1 / 0-2
LAX/ 0-2 / 0-1 / 1-1
RF/ 1-0 / 1-1 / 1-0
------------------------------------------
2-5 / 3-4 / 3-5
So with that being said, Platteville earns the top seed out of the three.
Then you have Whitewater and Eau Claire, and because of the tiebreaker rules it goes back to number 1...head to head.
With that being said...these are the CONFERENCE SEEDINGS
1 Stevens Point 9-3
8 Eau Claire 5-7
4 River Falls 7-6
5 La Crosse 7-6
3 Stout 9-4
6 Platteville 5-7
2 Oshkosh 9-4
7 Whitewater 5-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 07, 2006, 11:20:18 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 07, 2006, 11:20:18 AM
Mr Dowtown -
Thanks for the weekly tally and conference seedings
Thanks for the weekly tally and conference seedings
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2006, 12:19:32 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2006, 12:19:32 PM
Downtown,
Tiebreaker #2 is not necessary at all. This note from the WIAC web site should help you out:
[Note: If two teams remain tied after a third or other teams are eliminated, the tiebreaker reverts to criteria No. 1. For example, if four teams are tied with 4-2, 3-3, 3-3, 2-4 head-to-head records, the 4-2 team receives highest seed and the 2-4 team the lowest seed in the grouping. Since two teams remain tied at 3-3, we revert back to criteria #1 (head-to-head) between those two teams and then (if necessary) utilize the remaining criteria in order.]
As you broke it down in head-to-head competition:
EC - 2-1
WW - 2-1
PLT - 1-3
Platteville doesn't get to remain in this tie simply because EC and WW are tied (there is no "two tie, all tie" rule like the Skins game). Platteville is relegated to the 8th Seed on this result.
We then have two teams remaining, so we revert back to head-to-head which places WW 6th and EC 7th by virtue of their victory on Jan. 3rd.
Tiebreaker #2 is not necessary at all. This note from the WIAC web site should help you out:
[Note: If two teams remain tied after a third or other teams are eliminated, the tiebreaker reverts to criteria No. 1. For example, if four teams are tied with 4-2, 3-3, 3-3, 2-4 head-to-head records, the 4-2 team receives highest seed and the 2-4 team the lowest seed in the grouping. Since two teams remain tied at 3-3, we revert back to criteria #1 (head-to-head) between those two teams and then (if necessary) utilize the remaining criteria in order.]
As you broke it down in head-to-head competition:
EC - 2-1
WW - 2-1
PLT - 1-3
Platteville doesn't get to remain in this tie simply because EC and WW are tied (there is no "two tie, all tie" rule like the Skins game). Platteville is relegated to the 8th Seed on this result.
We then have two teams remaining, so we revert back to head-to-head which places WW 6th and EC 7th by virtue of their victory on Jan. 3rd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 10:33:28 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 10:33:28 PM
Golds all over RF tonight 56-32. Good job by the EC defense, a lot more aggressive. RF only scores 2... yes 2pts in the first 14 1/2min of 2nd half. Good game by Arc. RF was without Riemann, who was in street clothes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
Conference race just got a little more interesting as Point loses at Whitewater.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2006, 10:48:58 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2006, 10:48:58 PM
WARHAWK[/color] women sneak by Stevens Point 65-61 in a close game that had 17 ties and 20 lead changes. WHITEWATER'S[/color] largest lead of the game was 7 points in the first half and only five in the second stanza. Point's last lead, a single point, was with about 8 minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS[/color] were outrebounded by the bigger Point team but aggressive play in the low post resulted in them shooting more free throws which was significant in the end. Also significant was Point having 31 turnovers of which 18 were steals by the WARHAWK[/color] defense.
Amy Morris played well tonight with a game high 24 points and 5 steals. Mary Donohoo contributed 10 points and tied with a game high 7 rebounds from the point guard position. Lindsey Beuchner rounded out the double digit scorers for WHITEWATER[/color] with 11 points and 7 rebounds.
So far the WARHAWK[/color] women have played pretty well at home and are 5-1 in conference play with the only loss being to LaCrosse. River Falls will be another tough test for a very young team.
Amy Morris played well tonight with a game high 24 points and 5 steals. Mary Donohoo contributed 10 points and tied with a game high 7 rebounds from the point guard position. Lindsey Beuchner rounded out the double digit scorers for WHITEWATER[/color] with 11 points and 7 rebounds.
So far the WARHAWK[/color] women have played pretty well at home and are 5-1 in conference play with the only loss being to LaCrosse. River Falls will be another tough test for a very young team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 08, 2006, 10:51:41 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 08, 2006, 10:51:41 PM
UWEC - 56, UWRF - 32...
Blugolds put together perhaps their most impressive night defensively on the year to blow out the Falcons. Seemed as if the 'Golds were a step ahead and had hands in the paint all the first half, which helped them build a 26-21 lead.
Forced 16 turnovers that half, then really clamped down the second half, allowing only four points the in first 15 minutes or so, while going on a 20+ to 4-points run, or so.... Had 14 steals in the game, too, plus a lot of tie ups that gave the 'Golds possession...
Amanda Zenner provided another spark to start the second half; she scored 6 (and her only) of the team's 8 points in the first three minutes, to help the 'Golds push the lead to 34-21. Good to see the 'Golds get a chance to empty the bench in the final minutes...
Bunches things up again in the standings, as LaX is 8-6, followed by UWRF at 7-7, then Whitewater and the 'Golds at 6-7, and Platteville at 5-8. Looks like seedings might come down to the final regular season game UWEC vs. Whitewater, which knocked off the Pointers tonight. Wow....
But anything can, and will happen, in this last week and a half to go... Hope this 'Golds team shows up at Oshkosh on Saturday..
Blugolds put together perhaps their most impressive night defensively on the year to blow out the Falcons. Seemed as if the 'Golds were a step ahead and had hands in the paint all the first half, which helped them build a 26-21 lead.
Forced 16 turnovers that half, then really clamped down the second half, allowing only four points the in first 15 minutes or so, while going on a 20+ to 4-points run, or so.... Had 14 steals in the game, too, plus a lot of tie ups that gave the 'Golds possession...
Amanda Zenner provided another spark to start the second half; she scored 6 (and her only) of the team's 8 points in the first three minutes, to help the 'Golds push the lead to 34-21. Good to see the 'Golds get a chance to empty the bench in the final minutes...
Bunches things up again in the standings, as LaX is 8-6, followed by UWRF at 7-7, then Whitewater and the 'Golds at 6-7, and Platteville at 5-8. Looks like seedings might come down to the final regular season game UWEC vs. Whitewater, which knocked off the Pointers tonight. Wow....
But anything can, and will happen, in this last week and a half to go... Hope this 'Golds team shows up at Oshkosh on Saturday..
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Kibitzer on February 08, 2006, 11:34:13 PM
Post by: Kibitzer on February 08, 2006, 11:34:13 PM
Can someone explain to me why the WIAC schools are not NCAA Div. II?
They sure have a distinct advantage over most Div. III private schools which typically cost $15,000/year more in tuition.
Have they ever considered the switch?
They sure have a distinct advantage over most Div. III private schools which typically cost $15,000/year more in tuition.
Have they ever considered the switch?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 09, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 09, 2006, 09:08:41 AM
Any dub is a good dub! Nice to hear that some future players in Edwards and Doppenberg got some significant playing time. Congrats T!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on February 09, 2006, 09:49:34 AM
Post by: kluch on February 09, 2006, 09:49:34 AM
Kibitzer
It's a money thing. WIAC schools cannot afford to give scholarships.
It's a money thing. WIAC schools cannot afford to give scholarships.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2006, 09:56:31 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2006, 09:56:31 AM
Kibitzer,
Apparently the dead horse hasn't been beaten enough.
WIAC schools will not move to D-II for the simple reason that the laws of the State of Wisconsin prevent it. The charter of the UW System states that only the Madison, Milwaukee, Green Bay and Parkside campuses may offer athletic scholarships. The others may not.
Theoretically, the other schools could play D-II as non-scholarship schools, but that probably wouldn't be in our best interests.
What's the distinct advantage the WIAC has again? We're not exactly dominating the countryside. Last week we had no Top 25 teams. This week we had Point ranked #25 and they immediately got beat. We have ZERO teams in this week's Central Region rankings (the Midwest Conference has 2). We've had a few Final Four teams in the past five years, but so have a lot of conferences. The UAA doesn't seem to complain about the WIAC's "advantages". They do just fine.
Did you post the same question on the NJAC board? The Little East board? They are all public schools too. Are they cleaning up with all their advantages?
Apparently the dead horse hasn't been beaten enough.
WIAC schools will not move to D-II for the simple reason that the laws of the State of Wisconsin prevent it. The charter of the UW System states that only the Madison, Milwaukee, Green Bay and Parkside campuses may offer athletic scholarships. The others may not.
Theoretically, the other schools could play D-II as non-scholarship schools, but that probably wouldn't be in our best interests.
What's the distinct advantage the WIAC has again? We're not exactly dominating the countryside. Last week we had no Top 25 teams. This week we had Point ranked #25 and they immediately got beat. We have ZERO teams in this week's Central Region rankings (the Midwest Conference has 2). We've had a few Final Four teams in the past five years, but so have a lot of conferences. The UAA doesn't seem to complain about the WIAC's "advantages". They do just fine.
Did you post the same question on the NJAC board? The Little East board? They are all public schools too. Are they cleaning up with all their advantages?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 09, 2006, 11:58:32 AM
Post by: BDB on February 09, 2006, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: Kibitzer on February 08, 2006, 11:34:13 PM
Can someone explain to me why the WIAC schools are not NCAA Div. II?
They sure have a distinct advantage over most Div. III private schools which typically cost $15,000/year more in tuition.
Have they ever considered the switch?
Guess what? It costs money to go to a WIAC school as well.
The ability to pay more or borrow more or get more academic scholarship money by the private school attendees does not keep them from competing against public universities on the athletic fields, obviously.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2006, 12:04:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2006, 12:04:23 PM
He forgot the enrollment thing.
I haven't known a lot of athletes who went to private schools but every one that I do know got financial aide that reduced their tutition to an amount compareable to the WIAC schools. One of them was my own daughter. I even know one athlete who, when WW[/color] was $500 a semester cheaper, was awarded an additional music scholarship despite never having taken any sort of music classes in high school and being enrolled for none at the institution.
My experience makes it seem to me that if there is a will there is a way when it comes to private schools recruiting athletes. Though I have no doubt that there are those who have to pay the full tab.
I haven't known a lot of athletes who went to private schools but every one that I do know got financial aide that reduced their tutition to an amount compareable to the WIAC schools. One of them was my own daughter. I even know one athlete who, when WW[/color] was $500 a semester cheaper, was awarded an additional music scholarship despite never having taken any sort of music classes in high school and being enrolled for none at the institution.
My experience makes it seem to me that if there is a will there is a way when it comes to private schools recruiting athletes. Though I have no doubt that there are those who have to pay the full tab.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 09, 2006, 12:48:10 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 09, 2006, 12:48:10 PM
Situation in Superior worsens: UW-Superior suits up nine players to UW-Stout's 21. Stout fans about outnumber Superior's by the same ratio, perhaps worse. To its credit, Superior goes down swinging and gets remarkable games from Katie Moench (27 points) and Jenny Carlson (five 3s). Maybe the hockey coach could recruit basketball players when and where he picks up all his Canadians. Maybe UWS would consider getting on with hiring coaches.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Kibitzer on February 09, 2006, 03:20:52 PM
Post by: Kibitzer on February 09, 2006, 03:20:52 PM
I am from the West Coast where Div. III schools are private and where the small state schools tend to be Div. II or even NAIA with athletic money available.
I appreciate everyone's replies. I am new to these boards and didn't realize this topic had been kicked around already.
I appreciate everyone's replies. I am new to these boards and didn't realize this topic had been kicked around already.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2006, 03:31:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2006, 03:31:27 PM
No problem, Kibitzer. It's just that it's the same old, same old every year.
Personally, I think the biggest advantage we have has nothing to do with size or tutition and has more to do with facilities. We generally have better ones though that is not always the case and that is what often impresses an athlete the most.
Personally, I think the biggest advantage we have has nothing to do with size or tutition and has more to do with facilities. We generally have better ones though that is not always the case and that is what often impresses an athlete the most.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2006, 03:54:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2006, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: Kibitzer on February 09, 2006, 03:20:52 PM
I am from the West Coast where Div. III schools are private and where the small state schools tend to be Div. II or even NAIA with athletic money available.
I appreciate everyone's replies. I am new to these boards and didn't realize this topic had been kicked around already.
I apologize if I jumped on you too hard. I should have noticed that you didn't have many posts and may not have been a part of previous discussions. Thanks for contributing!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 04:09:05 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 04:09:05 PM
Anybody here able to get the Stout/Stevens Point game broadcast on WMEQ? I'm just getting silence and there's no phone number or contact info to call the station and inquire about it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 04:32:21 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 04:32:21 PM
I wasn't able to get it either! But Point has a stream that is working for me. Go to the WIAC conference homepage and click on women's basketball. Then over on the right side of the screen click on Weekly Radio Broadcasts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 04:58:06 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 04:58:06 PM
Yep, I switched to that a few minutes after posting my message. Also switched our front-page link to that stream.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 05:52:04 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 05:52:04 PM
Oshkosh 61, UWEC 45...
TKO early, Titans jumping to a 15-0 lead, holding the 'Golds scoreless the first 8 minutes of the half. Titans up 38-21 at half, then held the 'Golds scoreless the first five minutes of the second half, too.
'Golds worst shooting performance on the year; shot less than 25% the whole night... Coach Englund says defensive intensity not there... Oshkosh gets open looks all night, plays more physical, doesn't let 'Golds set the pace.
Rachel Becker leads 'Golds with 13; Heidi Arciszewski and Brittanni Hakanson add 9 each. Balanced scoring from the Titans - Brittany Herrick 14; Kelly O'Keef and Shannon Eggers each add 11.
Stout's pounding over Point (78-45 with 4 minutes left) puts them in front of the conference race at 11-4, Oshkosh is at 10-4, then the Pointers at 9-5...
Pointers will probably fall from the rankings, and be replaced by Stout, who are positioning themselves for another run...
TKO early, Titans jumping to a 15-0 lead, holding the 'Golds scoreless the first 8 minutes of the half. Titans up 38-21 at half, then held the 'Golds scoreless the first five minutes of the second half, too.
'Golds worst shooting performance on the year; shot less than 25% the whole night... Coach Englund says defensive intensity not there... Oshkosh gets open looks all night, plays more physical, doesn't let 'Golds set the pace.
Rachel Becker leads 'Golds with 13; Heidi Arciszewski and Brittanni Hakanson add 9 each. Balanced scoring from the Titans - Brittany Herrick 14; Kelly O'Keef and Shannon Eggers each add 11.
Stout's pounding over Point (78-45 with 4 minutes left) puts them in front of the conference race at 11-4, Oshkosh is at 10-4, then the Pointers at 9-5...
Pointers will probably fall from the rankings, and be replaced by Stout, who are positioning themselves for another run...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 05:57:11 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 05:57:11 PM
Nice recap Bulk.
Stout whips a Point team who was playing without Schultz and Pepper.
Stout whips a Point team who was playing without Schultz and Pepper.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 07:13:35 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 07:13:35 PM
Thanks buf...
Thought about making the trip over to Stout to see the game, but decided to stay and listen to the 'Golds on the radio, and watch the Badger hockey game...
How come Schultz was out? That's a key loss for any amount of time...
Thought about making the trip over to Stout to see the game, but decided to stay and listen to the 'Golds on the radio, and watch the Badger hockey game...
How come Schultz was out? That's a key loss for any amount of time...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 08:34:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2006, 08:34:13 PM
No idea
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 11, 2006, 09:24:14 PM
Post by: billys on February 11, 2006, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 11, 2006, 07:13:35 PM
Thanks buf...
Thought about making the trip over to Stout to see the game, but decided to stay and listen to the 'Golds on the radio, and watch the Badger hockey game...
How come Schultz was out? That's a key loss for any amount of time...
Heard Schultz got a concussion earlier this week. Lots of injuries in the league lately. Reimann from RF broke her foot, the Oshkosh sicknesses, Schultz today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 11, 2006, 11:41:04 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 11, 2006, 11:41:04 PM
Re: absence of Stout women's game on the radio--Radio station seems to have trouble flipping the switch for the women's games. They messed up an earlier game, too. Whitewater? Platteville? Can't remember. They played the men's game fine, though. With no contact information on the WMEQ web site, it makes it impossible to find out what's going on. It's especially annoying when the games are advertised as being broadcasted. Live stats are just not the same. I hope Blue Devil Bob gets his sponsor fees back for those missed games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 12, 2006, 12:49:24 AM
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 12, 2006, 12:49:24 AM
Schultz did get a concussion earlier this week but the Pointers were also missing Becky Pepper, who has recently been their 6th or 7th player, due to sickness. She didn't make the trip to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2006, 09:03:17 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2006, 09:03:17 PM
With their best player on the bench with an injury and playing as well as they have on the home court the WARHAWKS[/color] felt River Falls was a beatable team. Unfortunately no one told the Falcon. They came out on fire sinking 8 three-pointers and shooting 59% overall from the floor in the first half. The young WARHAWKS[/color] meanwhile were stone cold and before you knew it the Falcon were up 20 and finally settled in at 15 points when the half ended. The second half was more competitive and the WARHAWKS[/color] had their chances, twice cutting the lead to four points, but it wasn't meant to be as the Falcon responded on each occassion. Amy Morris paced WHITEWATER[/color] with 20 points and 8 rebounds. Lindsey Buechner added 12.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 13, 2006, 08:19:31 AM
Post by: BDB on February 13, 2006, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: foul_language on February 11, 2006, 11:41:04 PM
Re: absence of Stout women's game on the radio--Radio station seems to have trouble flipping the switch for the women's games. They messed up an earlier game, too. Whitewater? Platteville? Can't remember. They played the men's game fine, though. With no contact information on the WMEQ web site, it makes it impossible to find out what's going on. It's especially annoying when the games are advertised as being broadcasted. Live stats are just not the same. I hope Blue Devil Bob gets his sponsor fees back for those missed games.
Foul,
May I suggest sending a note to the Stout AD about the subject?
It's in their contract that the games be streamed on the net.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
Call me curious... How can Point still be ranked in the top 25 when Stout and Oshy have better records and don't even get mentioned in "others receiving votes"?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:32:54 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:32:54 PM
...and before someone reads into the previous post that I'm whining...
I couldn't really give a rip who's ranked! Bring on the tourney and we'll see how that pans out.
I couldn't really give a rip who's ranked! Bring on the tourney and we'll see how that pans out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 13, 2006, 07:34:43 PM
Post by: cubs on February 13, 2006, 07:34:43 PM
Quote from: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:29:33 PMPoint IS NOT ranked, and actually did not even receive a single vote this week. Stout is the only WIAC team to receive any votes this week, receiving 23, which is 45 short of #25 Puget Sound.
Call me curious... How can Point still be ranked in the top 25 when Stout and Oshy have better records and don't even get mentioned in "others receiving votes"?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2006, 09:40:11 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2006, 09:40:11 PM
Rico, I think you were still reading last week's rankings, before SP lost two games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 04:49:24 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: Rico 21 on February 13, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
Call me curious... How can Point still be ranked in the top 25 when Stout and Oshy have better records and don't even get mentioned in "others receiving votes"?
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to read the "Through games of" note at the top of the poll before you flip out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 14, 2006, 09:03:35 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 14, 2006, 09:03:35 AM
Geez... crucify me!
Ain't I still a rookie and allowed to make a mistake?
Ain't I still a rookie and allowed to make a mistake?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 14, 2006, 10:58:53 AM
Post by: BDB on February 14, 2006, 10:58:53 AM
Hey Rico,
You got spanked by the Guru.
That is funny stuff! :D
You got spanked by the Guru.
That is funny stuff! :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 15, 2006, 08:53:41 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 15, 2006, 08:53:41 AM
Ya, but I just spanked him back!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 09:24:52 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 09:24:52 AM
WARHAWKS WARHAWKS WARHAWKS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2006, 10:34:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2006, 10:34:46 AM
This would be a big win for the lady WARHAWKS[/color] but they'll have to shoot much better than against River Falls.
WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS[/color]
WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS[/color]
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
...or hold Oshkosh to four points. Defense, defense, defense. I don't care how Warhawks do it, just do it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 07:43:29 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 07:43:29 PM
The Oshkosh-Whitewater game is NOT broadcast anywhere? Can that be right? Not even live stats?
I may have to revoke two WARHAWKs
I may have to revoke two WARHAWKs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:20:27 PM
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:20:27 PM
UWEC wins over Superior in a UGLY game. Both teams played poor offensively. EC did play good pressure defense and only gave up 14 points for the first 23min of the game. Good games by EC freshmen Arc., Brit Hakanson and Witt. EC will have to play better if they want to win on Saturday and in the conference tournament. Hopefully Burns will be back on Saturday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:37:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:37:10 PM
foul-
UWO wins 80-69 or something like that.
UWO wins 80-69 or something like that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:53:30 PM
Post by: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:53:30 PM
UWO goes 11-13 from the 3-point line. WOW!!!
OKeef 7-9 on 3s
Knapp 8-10 from the field
OKeef 7-9 on 3s
Knapp 8-10 from the field
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 15, 2006, 11:52:05 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 15, 2006, 11:52:05 PM
buf sums up the UWEC-Superior game... 58 turnovers in the game...38 for Superior...Molly Ray had a nice game for the Yellowjackets, with 16, including 4 of 5 threes...
Hats off to Superior, though. Man, it's got to be tough under the circumstances they find themselves in at the end of the year, at 0-15 in WIAC play... They suited up nine tonight, but still battled... D3 = playing for the love of the game...
Hats off to UWL, too, for clinching a home WIAC playoff game. First time ever for them... But they may get the Blugolds, depending on how things play out this weekend...
Hats off to Superior, though. Man, it's got to be tough under the circumstances they find themselves in at the end of the year, at 0-15 in WIAC play... They suited up nine tonight, but still battled... D3 = playing for the love of the game...
Hats off to UWL, too, for clinching a home WIAC playoff game. First time ever for them... But they may get the Blugolds, depending on how things play out this weekend...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 16, 2006, 12:14:26 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 16, 2006, 12:14:26 AM
Stat of the night =
In the UWEC Blugolds' 64-43 win over Superior, two Blugold freshmen score their first two collegiate points tonight - Pam Kaye and Stephanie Becker, sister of Rachel...
In the UWEC Blugolds' 64-43 win over Superior, two Blugold freshmen score their first two collegiate points tonight - Pam Kaye and Stephanie Becker, sister of Rachel...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 16, 2006, 01:18:00 AM
Post by: billys on February 16, 2006, 01:18:00 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 15, 2006, 11:52:05 PM
Hats off to UWL, too, for clinching a home WIAC playoff game. First time ever for them... But they may get the Blugolds, depending on how things play out this weekend...
Agreed hats off to the Eagles. They played some of the best defense I've seen at Mitchell Hall tonight. The first half 3-for-19 by RF had more to do with defense then cold shooting. Mackenzie Hunter is becoming a big time scorer in this league. Clutch.
I think though, after quickly reviewing the season (I'm sure downtown will update us) that River Falls will be back at Mitchell next week. If EC wins they'll tie with River who they split with. Tiebreaker two is record against teams above. I think they are both 2-6 against the teams above. River beat Oshkosh and La Crosse, EC beat Point and La Crosse. Tiebreaker 3 is record against order of finish. River's win over Oshy is the kicker. If Oshkosh and Point finish tied (meaning Oshkosh loses), they both split with Stout so it goes to La Crosse who Oshkosh swept, SP lost one.
So I believe the locks are Point at #3, La Crosse at #4, River Falls at #5, Eau Claire at #6. Eau Claire at Point means it will be the first time since 2001 that the "Big Four" are not the "Final Four" of the conference tournament. Four straight tournaments. Pretty good run. If Platteville and Whitewater remain tied when it's said and done, Platteville gets 7 with the win over Oshkosh (how much parity is there when the number seven beats the #1 and #2?).
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mean to steal the Downtown's thunder but I just had a bunch of wings downtown so I'm fired up. It'll be interesting to see what happens Monday. River Falls has a bye this weekend. With La Crosse set at four but a conference championship on the line for their opponent, do they rest some? Their starters seem to play a lot of minutes normally.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2006, 10:51:29 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2006, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: buf on February 15, 2006, 10:53:30 PM
UWO goes 11-13 from the 3-point line. WOW!!!
OKeef 7-9 on 3s
Knapp 8-10 from the field
OKeef was unbelieveable. All the WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS,WARHAWKS[/color] in the world couldn't have overcome her last night. With the exception of the two she missed I don't think any of her three-pointers even touched the rim. She was nothing but net all night. I put the three points on the scoreboard as soon as the ball left her hand. It was the best outside side shooting I've ever seen by a WIAC woman player. We thought she might have set a new record but it turns out the old one is eight. Obviously Knapp played pretty well too but it was OKeefe that made you roll your eyes if you were a WHITEWATER[/color] fan.
The WARHAWKS[/color], as was the case against River Falls, were simply buried by the Titan onslaught which saw them shoot 61% from the floor for the game. It started early on and this time we could never get closer than seven points the rest of the way. Oshkosh looked really sharp both offensively and defensively. Amy Morris scored 20 points in her final home game as a WARHAWK[/color]. Lindsey Buechner had a 16 point, 10 rebound double-double.
WARHAWKS[/color] need to get a tough road win at Eau Claire and build some momentum going into the conference tournament. They could finish anywhere from the sixth seed to the eighth and need the win to conclude the regular season over .500 though 7-9 is the best they can go in conference play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 16, 2006, 11:32:35 AM
Post by: billys on February 16, 2006, 11:32:35 AM
Thanks BW. I relooked at the standings and forgot WW could still catch EC. And if they did beat them they could move to 6 with the sweep. So if appears only 3, 4, and 5 are set.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:03:54 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:03:54 AM
Stoutguy & BDB -
Either of you making the trek to LaX? I believe Rico, Mrs. Rico and the Rico-ette's will be piling in the Trailblazer and heading south tomorrow to take in some great hoops action. Hopefully, we'll meet you guys at Crazy Dave's!
Either of you making the trek to LaX? I believe Rico, Mrs. Rico and the Rico-ette's will be piling in the Trailblazer and heading south tomorrow to take in some great hoops action. Hopefully, we'll meet you guys at Crazy Dave's!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:07:19 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:07:19 AM
One more thing BDB...
Rumor has it Stoutguy has been spending a little money this week. Let me see, since the meal is included with the game tickets I assume he'll be offering to pick up the tab one more time this week...
...I'd hate for you to miss it!
Rumor has it Stoutguy has been spending a little money this week. Let me see, since the meal is included with the game tickets I assume he'll be offering to pick up the tab one more time this week...
...I'd hate for you to miss it!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2006, 09:18:39 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2006, 09:18:39 AM
Stoutguy will be on team bus on Sat. and we are stopping at "Cazy Dave's" so we will look forward to seeing all the Rico's there. Sorry about the money thing, though. You just missed on my spending outburst. It just happended that one time in RF. My advice: Stop at your bank and just grab a handfull for the "Crazy Daves" party.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 17, 2006, 09:30:29 AM
Post by: BDB on February 17, 2006, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 09:03:54 AM
Stoutguy & BDB -
Either of you making the trek to LaX? I believe Rico, Mrs. Rico and the Rico-ette's will be piling in the Trailblazer and heading south tomorrow to take in some great hoops action. Hopefully, we'll meet you guys at Crazy Dave's!
My son's got 2 hockey games on Saturday so no road trip for BDB. :(
As a matter of fact, both games interfere with even listening to the games. :P
I will be working the penalty box with a radio earpiece though. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 11:45:21 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 11:45:21 AM
Sorry you won't be able to make it, BDB. Sounds like the generosity spurt is over for the old guy Stoutguy anyway so you won;t miss anything at Crazy Dave's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 11:47:43 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 17, 2006, 11:47:43 AM
Riding the team bus, huh... let me guess, you pleaded with T until he agreed to let you be team trainer for a day!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 09:36:12 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 09:36:12 AM
When all this basketball insanity is done, are you all coming along to watch some soccer?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 18, 2006, 10:05:58 AM
Post by: BDB on February 18, 2006, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: foul_language on February 15, 2006, 07:43:29 PM
The Oshkosh-Whitewater game is NOT broadcast anywhere? Can that be right? Not even live stats?
I may have to revoke two WARHAWKs
Foul,
I am still laughing about your consideration of revoking 2 WARHAWKS. :D
I hope the internet stream is there for you today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 01:29:19 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 01:29:19 PM
Listened to some of the sports talk this morning on WMEQ, and the broadcast was breaking up pretty badly by the end of it. Sounded like icicles. By then, I was ruminating on the comment about it being better to go to Stevens Point than Superior, because "when you get there (Superior), where are you?" And, I have to ask myself why Stevens Point is so much better. Because it's the gateway to Plover?
We may be the slum-end of Duluth, but at least we have the lake. I'll stack that up against miles of corn fields anytime. Wait, those are soybeans. Sorry. :-X
GO STOUTS! (as my brother would say) Obviously, I return to my true colors.
We may be the slum-end of Duluth, but at least we have the lake. I'll stack that up against miles of corn fields anytime. Wait, those are soybeans. Sorry. :-X
GO STOUTS! (as my brother would say) Obviously, I return to my true colors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2006, 09:22:46 PM
Post by: buf on February 18, 2006, 09:22:46 PM
UWEC over WW 67-61 in a very close contest.
Being down most of the game, WW takes a 5 point lead with 3min??? left. However, Heidi Arc bails EC out with a couple tough shots. A good and active crowd in Zorn this afternoon/evening.
In other WIAC action,
UWO slips past UWP in OT
Stout wraps up the #1 seed with a tough win at Lax.
Congrats to Stout and UWO for sharing the conference title. From the start of the year I thought these 2 would finish 1-2 in confernece. IMO they are clearly the 2 best teams in the conference.
Being down most of the game, WW takes a 5 point lead with 3min??? left. However, Heidi Arc bails EC out with a couple tough shots. A good and active crowd in Zorn this afternoon/evening.
In other WIAC action,
UWO slips past UWP in OT
Stout wraps up the #1 seed with a tough win at Lax.
Congrats to Stout and UWO for sharing the conference title. From the start of the year I thought these 2 would finish 1-2 in confernece. IMO they are clearly the 2 best teams in the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 18, 2006, 10:00:50 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 18, 2006, 10:00:50 PM
'Golds win 67-61 over the Hawks, as buf notes...
Game of intensity; UWEC had it the first half, to take a 41-32 lead. UWW had it the second half, as it seemed the 'Golds were tight, and the rims were, too... Shot 25 percent in the second half (8-31), vs. until the 55 percent in the first half (16-29)...
'Golds had four players in double figures; UWW had three...Teams were fairly well matched and even the whole game; the 'Golds, trailing 59-54 with 3:39 left, could have choked, but take a huge learning step forward, grew up big time, by shutting down UWW, going on a 13-2 run, including 7-8 FTs, to win it...
Michelle Burns returns, too; didn't get but 7 minutes, but provided a lift to the team, inspiration and leadership...
Post game comments say 'Golds head to Point on Monday...
Game of intensity; UWEC had it the first half, to take a 41-32 lead. UWW had it the second half, as it seemed the 'Golds were tight, and the rims were, too... Shot 25 percent in the second half (8-31), vs. until the 55 percent in the first half (16-29)...
'Golds had four players in double figures; UWW had three...Teams were fairly well matched and even the whole game; the 'Golds, trailing 59-54 with 3:39 left, could have choked, but take a huge learning step forward, grew up big time, by shutting down UWW, going on a 13-2 run, including 7-8 FTs, to win it...
Michelle Burns returns, too; didn't get but 7 minutes, but provided a lift to the team, inspiration and leadership...
Post game comments say 'Golds head to Point on Monday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 19, 2006, 11:48:57 AM
Post by: billys on February 19, 2006, 11:48:57 AM
Tough is a good way to describe the win by Stout over La Crosse. That game was a war. Although La Crosse lost I think they proved they belong in the discussion about the top of the league. You're right, Stout and Oshkosh are definitely the best two teams in the league and deserve the crown, but I think La Crosse is legit for the future.
We were reminded at halftime how good a job they have done with their team this year. It was senior day and they honored their only senior, Shawna Koss, who blew out her knee in the first or second game of the year. From the few games I saw last year she was easily the best player and one of the coaches I know over there thought she would average 17-18 a game this year. So they've gone 18-7 with no seniors and losing their best player right as the schedule started (which gives you a little less time to prepare than an offseason). When other top teams have had their best players out this year, Duoss, Schultz, Eggers/O'Keefe, their teams have gotten hammered.
I was on the fence about whether or not they were for real but I think I definitely have to give them the benefit of the doubt for going tooth and nail with Oshkosh and Stout the last two meetings here in the second half. They will need to shoot the ball better however this week to advance. They could have a repeat week with River and Stout.
On a side note, looking at the first round matchups, pretty sure Oshkosh won't be happy to see Platteville in the first round and probably the same for Stout with Whitewater. They would probably both prefer to flip with one another although Whitewater has been weak on the road. In fact, it looks like every first round matchup was a split in the regular season. Everyone talks about how the league is down with no ranked teams, look at 7 and 8 to see how good this league is. The eighth seed is 6-10 in conference! No 8th place team has ever had more than 4 wins in conference in this history of the league.
Should be a fun week.
We were reminded at halftime how good a job they have done with their team this year. It was senior day and they honored their only senior, Shawna Koss, who blew out her knee in the first or second game of the year. From the few games I saw last year she was easily the best player and one of the coaches I know over there thought she would average 17-18 a game this year. So they've gone 18-7 with no seniors and losing their best player right as the schedule started (which gives you a little less time to prepare than an offseason). When other top teams have had their best players out this year, Duoss, Schultz, Eggers/O'Keefe, their teams have gotten hammered.
I was on the fence about whether or not they were for real but I think I definitely have to give them the benefit of the doubt for going tooth and nail with Oshkosh and Stout the last two meetings here in the second half. They will need to shoot the ball better however this week to advance. They could have a repeat week with River and Stout.
On a side note, looking at the first round matchups, pretty sure Oshkosh won't be happy to see Platteville in the first round and probably the same for Stout with Whitewater. They would probably both prefer to flip with one another although Whitewater has been weak on the road. In fact, it looks like every first round matchup was a split in the regular season. Everyone talks about how the league is down with no ranked teams, look at 7 and 8 to see how good this league is. The eighth seed is 6-10 in conference! No 8th place team has ever had more than 4 wins in conference in this history of the league.
Should be a fun week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2006, 05:11:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2006, 05:11:13 PM
billys-
Is Koss going to use a medical redshirt and come back next year? Or is her career done?
Is Koss going to use a medical redshirt and come back next year? Or is her career done?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on February 19, 2006, 08:05:19 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on February 19, 2006, 08:05:19 PM
Koss is done...she is a fifth year senior....4 years at Lax and was at eau claire her freshman...she is ready to move on with things
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2006, 10:04:15 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2006, 10:04:15 AM
Unless things change dramatically it could be a quick one and done for the WARHAWKS[/color] who just can't seem to put 40 minutes of good play together on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2006, 11:32:46 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2006, 11:32:46 AM
Quote from: foul_language on February 18, 2006, 01:29:19 PM
Listened to some of the sports talk this morning on WMEQ, and the broadcast was breaking up pretty badly by the end of it. Sounded like icicles. By then, I was ruminating on the comment about it being better to go to Stevens Point than Superior, because "when you get there (Superior), where are you?" And, I have to ask myself why Stevens Point is so much better. Because it's the gateway to Plover?
We may be the slum-end of Duluth, but at least we have the lake. I'll stack that up against miles of corn fields anytime. Wait, those are soybeans. Sorry. :-X
GO STOUTS! (as my brother would say) Obviously, I return to my true colors.
Busted!!!!! I think I remember telling Jason when he was going off about Superior that no one from way up there would be listening anyway. Sorry. And for the record, we have 2 lakes here and BDB lives on one of them. Also, it isn't soybeans, it's kidney beans. Also, sorry about the sound quality. They have had some technical problem for the past two weeks. Hope to have it cleared up Sat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 12:42:19 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 12:42:19 PM
QuoteAnd for the record, we have 2 lakes here and BDB lives on one of them
You call those lakes?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 20, 2006, 12:53:46 PM
Post by: BDB on February 20, 2006, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 12:42:19 PMQuoteAnd for the record, we have 2 lakes here and BDB lives on one of them
You call those lakes?
foul,
OK, they are not the size of Lake Superior.
But they are pretty damn big lakes, anyway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 01:17:47 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 01:17:47 PM
Just to clarify this little discussion: I was comparing Superior to Stevens Point in an attempt to point out the relative "where are you-ness?" of both places; somehow Menomonie sneaked into the dialogue. I was putting THE lake up against farm fields. Not to say farm fields aren't nice; they have their charm: waves of grain and all that. I wouldn't belittle any lake--although man-made lakes are a little lower on the scale of lakiness--or river or other water entity. Except water parks; can't abide water parks.
OK? I believe we can declare this horse dead.
By the way, Stoutguy, the game came through very well. I don't recall any problems until the radio cut T off mid-post-game-interview.
OK? I believe we can declare this horse dead.
By the way, Stoutguy, the game came through very well. I don't recall any problems until the radio cut T off mid-post-game-interview.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2006, 02:22:33 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2006, 02:22:33 PM
I used to teach with a guy who was from Superior. All he would ever say when talking about his hometown was: "They call it Superior for a reason". Go STOUTS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2006, 02:28:37 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2006, 02:28:37 PM
In Stevens Point you are more apt to see waves of potatoes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 02:34:16 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 02:34:16 PM
Must be where those Wavy Lays chips come from
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 20, 2006, 04:05:12 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 20, 2006, 04:05:12 PM
foul -
...but our lakes are greener and stink more than your lake...
...but our lakes are greener and stink more than your lake...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 20, 2006, 04:46:30 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 20, 2006, 04:46:30 PM
Nobody has anything to say about basketball? The once coveted WIAC tourney starts tonight and you people are discussing the SOS like UW-Superb's location versus the rest of the state (although funny - potato fields and taverns to be exact for SP but don't forget all those nice "gift shops" and "book stores" along the freeway up to the great white north). Who wins, who loses, who pulls the upsets? Come on people!
SP sneaks past EC 64-59
LX over the Falls 81-69
STOUT 83 WW 72
OSH 84 PVILLE 57
SP sneaks past EC 64-59
LX over the Falls 81-69
STOUT 83 WW 72
OSH 84 PVILLE 57
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 04:56:09 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2006, 04:56:09 PM
These are the moments of quiet reflection before the battle, the settling of nerves, the spitting in the face of death...
Besides which, I have no idea who will win what. After Saturday, it's all up for grabs. Every team is as capable of the sublime as of the sub-par. P-ville takes Oshkosh to overtime? Who'da thunk? I did see that SP's Cassandra Schultz is back and making up for lost time. That probably bodes poorly for Eau Claire. River Falls is always full of surprises.
Stout at home, though; I hope that's not even up for discussion.
Besides which, I have no idea who will win what. After Saturday, it's all up for grabs. Every team is as capable of the sublime as of the sub-par. P-ville takes Oshkosh to overtime? Who'da thunk? I did see that SP's Cassandra Schultz is back and making up for lost time. That probably bodes poorly for Eau Claire. River Falls is always full of surprises.
Stout at home, though; I hope that's not even up for discussion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 07:55:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 07:55:13 PM
Point
Stout
LaCrosse
Oshkosh
Stout
LaCrosse
Oshkosh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 08:46:39 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 08:46:39 PM
Blowout City so far in the conference tourney
EC 31
SP 49
Half
UWO 40
UWP 21
Half
Stout 27
WW 10
5min 1st
Lax 29
RF 12
5min 1st
EC 31
SP 49
Half
UWO 40
UWP 21
Half
Stout 27
WW 10
5min 1st
Lax 29
RF 12
5min 1st
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on February 20, 2006, 09:53:54 PM
Post by: EChoops on February 20, 2006, 09:53:54 PM
Too bad the Bluegolds couldn't pull off a win. They matched SP in the 2nd half, but the first half killed them with poor shooting.
You'll see an awesome team next year for the "golds" with everyone back and healthy. Great job Bluegolds!
You'll see an awesome team next year for the "golds" with everyone back and healthy. Great job Bluegolds!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 20, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
Post by: cubs on February 20, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: buf on February 20, 2006, 08:46:39 PMAfter trailing 41-20 at the half, Whitwater cuts the deficit to 2 points 74-72 with 0:20 remaining.
Blowout City so far in the conference tourney
Stout 27
WW 10
5min 1st
Stout holds on and wins, 80-76.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 10:17:07 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2006, 10:17:07 PM
Stout almost blows a 15-point lead with 5min left. WW cuts it down to 2pts twice in the final minute. Stout prevails 80-76. Duoss with 29pts.
EC plays well except for the last 10min of the 1st half where Point outscores them 29-11. Kranz left the game with 3min left, putting no weight on her leg. Tough break for Point. She killed EC inside and I'm sure they could have used her versus UWO.
One glaring problem EC has had in the last 2 games is inside defense and rebounding. WW and Point just dominated underneath. Probably the #1 issue to fix in the off season.
However, good season for EC. They finish 8-8 in conference. Same record as last year when they had all those seniors.
EC plays well except for the last 10min of the 1st half where Point outscores them 29-11. Kranz left the game with 3min left, putting no weight on her leg. Tough break for Point. She killed EC inside and I'm sure they could have used her versus UWO.
One glaring problem EC has had in the last 2 games is inside defense and rebounding. WW and Point just dominated underneath. Probably the #1 issue to fix in the off season.
However, good season for EC. They finish 8-8 in conference. Same record as last year when they had all those seniors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2006, 01:08:02 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2006, 01:08:02 AM
Just back from Point -
As reported, UWSP 84, UWEC 74... Hard to believe this is the first time the two have meet in the tourney, but....
Chelsea Kranz has a career night as a Pointer, with 22 points, but goes down with an injury, whatever isn't the ACL, and Coach Egner's comments in postgame says she is out for Wednesday...
Blugolds' lesson for the night: You can't defend, nor get a hand in the face of, a shooter at the charity stripe. They dug a hole in the first half; Pointers made 15 of 19 free throws, vs. 'Golds 5 of 6, which accounted for a big part of the 'Golds being down at half 49-31...
Golds were sloppy with the ball, too, perhaps the worst they have been this season, that I have seen, at least. Shot poorly the first half, too. Closed the gap during garbage time.... Pointers shot 52 percent from the floor for the game...
Pointers did limit the 'Golds to quite a few one-and-dones on the defensive end, too, and were able to board efficiently the whole night, too... Key stat on the night; Heidi Arciszewski had 15, but it was a quiet 15. The Pointers were able to shut her down with a smothering defense on her; Laura Neuenfeldt gets a lot of the credit... HA will, however, be a player who is going to be heard from the next three years, that's for sure, as will Brittanni Hakanson, who is developing a nice game in the post and had 23.
UWEC never had much chance to press; might have been a moot point, anyway, since Cassandra Schultz is going to blow by everyone if they break it.... She hit three big threes to halt any attempts by the 'Golds to gain any momentum whatsoever...
For the Blugold fans out there, the players didn't seem to be hanging their heads after this game, but I think they know they can, and will, play better than tonight....
Congratulations to Coach Egner, who was honored after the game for recently moving into second place all-time in the conference in wins, having passed up Oshkosh's Carol Anhalt and former Blugold Coach Lisa Stone.
Blugolds say goodbye to two seniors - Rachel Becker and Liz Van Drasek. Thanks for your contributions and efforts, ladies....
And last but not least - stat of the night: Only 165 fans show up to see UWL's Eagles win over River Falls... Did I read that right??? That's sad, considering the team is 19-7... They worked hard to get their first ever home tournament game, and that's the best you could do????
As reported, UWSP 84, UWEC 74... Hard to believe this is the first time the two have meet in the tourney, but....
Chelsea Kranz has a career night as a Pointer, with 22 points, but goes down with an injury, whatever isn't the ACL, and Coach Egner's comments in postgame says she is out for Wednesday...
Blugolds' lesson for the night: You can't defend, nor get a hand in the face of, a shooter at the charity stripe. They dug a hole in the first half; Pointers made 15 of 19 free throws, vs. 'Golds 5 of 6, which accounted for a big part of the 'Golds being down at half 49-31...
Golds were sloppy with the ball, too, perhaps the worst they have been this season, that I have seen, at least. Shot poorly the first half, too. Closed the gap during garbage time.... Pointers shot 52 percent from the floor for the game...
Pointers did limit the 'Golds to quite a few one-and-dones on the defensive end, too, and were able to board efficiently the whole night, too... Key stat on the night; Heidi Arciszewski had 15, but it was a quiet 15. The Pointers were able to shut her down with a smothering defense on her; Laura Neuenfeldt gets a lot of the credit... HA will, however, be a player who is going to be heard from the next three years, that's for sure, as will Brittanni Hakanson, who is developing a nice game in the post and had 23.
UWEC never had much chance to press; might have been a moot point, anyway, since Cassandra Schultz is going to blow by everyone if they break it.... She hit three big threes to halt any attempts by the 'Golds to gain any momentum whatsoever...
For the Blugold fans out there, the players didn't seem to be hanging their heads after this game, but I think they know they can, and will, play better than tonight....
Congratulations to Coach Egner, who was honored after the game for recently moving into second place all-time in the conference in wins, having passed up Oshkosh's Carol Anhalt and former Blugold Coach Lisa Stone.
Blugolds say goodbye to two seniors - Rachel Becker and Liz Van Drasek. Thanks for your contributions and efforts, ladies....
And last but not least - stat of the night: Only 165 fans show up to see UWL's Eagles win over River Falls... Did I read that right??? That's sad, considering the team is 19-7... They worked hard to get their first ever home tournament game, and that's the best you could do????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 07:43:57 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 07:43:57 AM
It should have been a no-brainer to pick all the usual suspects in last night's games, but second halves proved the WIAC exception to the rule: in the this conference, everybody has a shot. Stout nearly snaps defeat from the jaws of victory, coming within two points of throwing it away in the last minutes.
It wasn't that Stout wasn't capable, it's more like they weren't paying attention. While they had their backs turned, WW sneaked in behind them.
Heard coaches bemoaning the WW effort at half time and strategizing the second half: "play their asses off" or sit on the bench. There are a lot of WW players without asses this morning, because they staged a beautiful comeback. One wonders--with all the shots they made at the end of the game--why they waited so long to show what they could do. As underdogs, playing conservatively doesn't work. I guess that was the coaches' thoughts, too.
Anyway, Duoss proved to be unstoppable; Stout's big problems were turnovers--they gave the ball to WW as often as WW took it away.
The good news is Hendricks' eyelid is still attached; it was suggested she'd be able to see even with that eye closed, but that's most likely an exaggeration.
Platteville must not have recovered from Saturday, yet. Throw a road trip on top of that and it was a rough game for them.
I feel a little safer about making predictions for last night now.
Wednesday? Stout at home again should take LaCrosse, but they'll have to keep their heads in the game. I think Oshkosh will take Stevens Point. Oshkosh plays solid basketball, SP is a little crazier. The coach that gets flustered will lose, and I didn't see the Oshkosh coach ruffle a hair in the loss at Stout. Shirley on the other hand was ragging the refs from the jump. I think that gets to the players.
It wasn't that Stout wasn't capable, it's more like they weren't paying attention. While they had their backs turned, WW sneaked in behind them.
Heard coaches bemoaning the WW effort at half time and strategizing the second half: "play their asses off" or sit on the bench. There are a lot of WW players without asses this morning, because they staged a beautiful comeback. One wonders--with all the shots they made at the end of the game--why they waited so long to show what they could do. As underdogs, playing conservatively doesn't work. I guess that was the coaches' thoughts, too.
Anyway, Duoss proved to be unstoppable; Stout's big problems were turnovers--they gave the ball to WW as often as WW took it away.
The good news is Hendricks' eyelid is still attached; it was suggested she'd be able to see even with that eye closed, but that's most likely an exaggeration.
Platteville must not have recovered from Saturday, yet. Throw a road trip on top of that and it was a rough game for them.
I feel a little safer about making predictions for last night now.
Wednesday? Stout at home again should take LaCrosse, but they'll have to keep their heads in the game. I think Oshkosh will take Stevens Point. Oshkosh plays solid basketball, SP is a little crazier. The coach that gets flustered will lose, and I didn't see the Oshkosh coach ruffle a hair in the loss at Stout. Shirley on the other hand was ragging the refs from the jump. I think that gets to the players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2006, 09:29:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2006, 09:29:19 AM
As is the case every year in the women's tournament home court proves unbeatable.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on February 21, 2006, 03:08:14 PM
Post by: d3_ballu43 on February 21, 2006, 03:08:14 PM
hello everyone, I have been a long time reader of d3 hoops discussion boards and I have become real interested in the WIAC lately. After reading the latest posts I just was wondering why Point's coach is being criticized for showing a little fire during a recent Stout game, and how her getting a technical has anything to do with the outcome of their next game. As I recall after looking at their statistics their coach's T was followed by a 9-4 run to end the half for Point. So in this case I think the T may have fired her kids up a little bit rather than making them frustrated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 03:55:21 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 03:55:21 PM
QuoteAs I recall after looking at their statistics their coach's T was followed by a 9-4 run to end the half for Point
And the outcome of the game was...?
Fire is one thing, but persistent cranking has to be another. At some point--as was evidenced by WW coach discussion last night--players/coaches have to take some responsibility for what's going on on the court. What I saw at the SP-Stout game was constant gnawing at the refs.
I've seen TWO games where refs determined the outcome: a high school basketball game and a college soccer game. Refs make good and bad calls; players learn to play under the circumstances, and having a coach screaming at the refs all through the game takes the focus off how the people play. It develops a situation where the player doesn't have to adjust, he or she can simply say the game is up to the refs. That's silly and pointless.
Does that mean coaches shouldn't give the refs a buzz every once in a while? Of course they should, if only to wake them up when they seem to have dozed. There needs to be some balance, though.
A 9-4 run is nothing. A 36-4 run would have made a statement.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on February 21, 2006, 04:48:04 PM
Post by: d3_ballu43 on February 21, 2006, 04:48:04 PM
a 36-4 run would be tough for any team especially with out their top guards (schultz and pepper) a 9-4 run in the last two minutes of the first half (in which they were losing 51-28 going into halftime) leading into a much better second half I see where they were only outscore by 3 instead of 24. I don't know about you but I see that as quite an improvement. No one can really say what sparked it but I wouldn't fault any loss on a coach defending her kids to an official. But I guess we are all entitled to our own analysis on the situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2006, 05:10:49 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2006, 05:10:49 PM
d3_ballu43,
I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand. Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game. Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible. Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there. But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.
I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand. Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game. Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible. Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there. But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 05:42:28 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 05:42:28 PM
Quotedidn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bsOuch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 07:11:56 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 21, 2006, 07:11:56 PM
Quotethe plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible
Hyperbole, right? I'd give you 'bump' and 'push', but that's standard for basketball and hardly unique to Stout women. 'Reach', OK, but not really part of a 'plan' more a lack of foot movement. 'Scratch', 'slap', 'foul as much as possible': I don't think so. I don't even know what 'dig' is in basketball; if it's scrapping for loose balls, I'll grant you that, too, but I don't see it as a bad thing.
I'll give you some real BS to chew on, though: I've heard people complain women's basketball is too boring to watch, and I'm guessing they've been watching the games where the ball crawls up the court, offense faces defense and they all stare at each other until the game ends in a 29-21 score. Nowhere is that a game. In the current discussion, women who dive for loose balls, play aggressive defense, drive and run fast and hard are 'brutal.' That's paternalistic HS (comes from a horse) if I ever heard it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ubetchamn on February 21, 2006, 08:40:12 PM
Post by: ubetchamn on February 21, 2006, 08:40:12 PM
Well stated Foul....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 22, 2006, 12:18:51 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 22, 2006, 12:18:51 AM
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?
Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.
Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 09:35:02 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 09:35:02 AM
62? that would be down this year, right?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2006, 09:40:01 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2006, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2006, 05:10:49 PM
d3_ballu43,
I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand. Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game. Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible. Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there. But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.
Whenever I see a post like this I just assume that it comes from a disgruntled parent, scorned former "wanta be" player, or someone from some program that just can not compete. Which catagory do you fit? I'm just curious. The only thing brutal about Mark Thomas' program is that he is tough to beat and his program gets better and more respected every year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 09:43:08 AM
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: voft on February 22, 2006, 12:18:51 AM
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?
Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.
UWO better look into how to get a recruiting class of 62.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 10:16:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 10:16:26 AM
If the refs can't keep up with the fouls Stout is committing then perhaps the other team should adapt a more physical style. It not only fights fire with fire but it stands to reason that if they can't keep up with one team they won't be able to keep up with the other one either.
There are alot different ways to play the game of basketball but all of them involve adapting to the officiating and adjusting your play to the game as it evolves.
There are alot different ways to play the game of basketball but all of them involve adapting to the officiating and adjusting your play to the game as it evolves.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 10:33:44 AM
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2006, 05:10:49 PM
d3_ballu43,
I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand. Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game. Very talented players and coaching You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.
First of all, sfta, maybe you should read someone's post before you call it b*sh*t and before you hit the reply button.
Secondly you rip the style of play while complimenting the coach. What? ???
Justice from all the injustice? What the... ???
I guess when you are top, everyone takes a shot at you. But at least get a few facts together and make some sort of point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play. You complement on a coach who has success and a formula to find a way to win. You may not agree with it, as in my case, but you can see it. You people are so damned used to seeing pushing and shoving the whole game that you now ONLY consider it as aggressive, such as diving for loose balls. Give me a break, any person diving or working hard would only be seen as positive. I'm talking about bumping cutters hard, hand-checking constantly, displacing the post, slapping, etc. After awhile it's no longer a game of strategy. Get physical back? Sure, you can try but then both teams ring up fouls and good players sit out. That's basketball? I get the old fashioned school of thought you have going there, the ol' tough it out style of play, but I was simply commenting on the FACT that refs can't call every foul and it tends to force teams out of a game of strategy and into pushing back. By that time you have people sitting on the bench, frustrated and coaches getting t's. I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.
Have you ever played a pick up game? Are you any good that you could actually make a move on someone? You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor. It's clear your skill and ability will have to be altered because of physical play. Not to compare the talented athletes at Stout to an old man, but rather give you an anology of physical play ALTERING the game some.
And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...
LX 72 Stout 71
SP 54 Osh 53
Have you ever played a pick up game? Are you any good that you could actually make a move on someone? You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor. It's clear your skill and ability will have to be altered because of physical play. Not to compare the talented athletes at Stout to an old man, but rather give you an anology of physical play ALTERING the game some.
And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...
LX 72 Stout 71
SP 54 Osh 53
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 11:56:55 AM
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time.
You are outdoing even yourself.
The BlueDevils have won outright or shared the conference regular season title 3 of the last 5 years.
The 2 previous times they won the regular season title, they won the conference tournament. This year we'll see.
Is that winning any titles over a given period of time to you?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2006, 01:16:16 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2006, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play. You complement on a coach who has success and a formula to find a way to win. You may not agree with it, as in my case, but you can see it. You people are so damned used to seeing pushing and shoving the whole game that you now ONLY consider it as aggressive, such as diving for loose balls. Give me a break, any person diving or working hard would only be seen as positive. I'm talking about bumping cutters hard, hand-checking constantly, displacing the post, slapping, etc. After awhile it's no longer a game of strategy. Get physical back? Sure, you can try but then both teams ring up fouls and good players sit out. That's basketball? I get the old fashioned school of thought you have going there, the ol' tough it out style of play, but I was simply commenting on the FACT that refs can't call every foul and it tends to force teams out of a game of strategy and into pushing back. By that time you have people sitting on the bench, frustrated and coaches getting t's. I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.
Have you ever played a pick up game? Are you any good that you could actually make a move on someone? You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor. It's clear your skill and ability will have to be altered because of physical play. Not to compare the talented athletes at Stout to an old man, but rather give you an anology of physical play ALTERING the game some.
And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...
LX 72 Stout 71
SP 54 Osh 53
Your 2nd paragraph does confuse me a bit. Were you at the Stout Ale House last night because I did actually make a move on someone but then realized just in time that I am, in fact, married. And the cross-over and the 47 year old guy? Well, I really am confused.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:21:19 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:21:19 PM
That's great "Bob" but isn't that relatively the same success that other teams are having like Point, 2 WIAC titles, 2 Final Fours and a National Title, and Oshkosh - many many titles...They've had some success but let's not ride them like they're a dynasty. And this isn't about their success, it's a perspective on how games can change and coaches can become frustrated or get t'd up. First your knocking SP's coach, you get a couple of perspectives, then you defend the style of play, you get a perspective, now we're supposed to bow down because they've either TIED or won a conference title outright 3 of 5 years? Big deal man.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:25:45 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:25:45 PM
SG, perhaps you would have understood a little better if you haven't spent your life being a fan. No worries. Let's move past this and discuss something more interesting. How about the WIAC's chances of getting in more than one team. Is it going to happen with the large number of losses on our top 4? Annually a dominant conference like the AAU that gets 2-4 teams in annually, will the WIAC get any love now that the field is bigger? Who's in and who's out? Obviously our tourney champ is in, but does the loser make it too? Does the third place team get in? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:26:46 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:26:46 PM
I think LaCrosse will put up a battle, but I can't seem them winning tonight. And, of course, I hope I don't. Stout 76 to LaCrosse's 63. (???)
I'm thinking the Oshkosh team and home court will be too much to overcome, so unless UWO gets hit with another bout of the flu, they should take UWSP, let's say 70-65.
Shootfromthearc: I have to give you points for passion...
I'm thinking the Oshkosh team and home court will be too much to overcome, so unless UWO gets hit with another bout of the flu, they should take UWSP, let's say 70-65.
Shootfromthearc: I have to give you points for passion...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:32:03 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:32:03 PM
Thanks FL. Just trying to have fun, and sorry if "bs" was a bad way of putting it - actually would be bored without you on this board. Just seems that Stout fans are a bit defensive. Nonetheless, one more point for Stoutguy:
"Your 2nd paragraph does confuse me a bit. Were you at the Stout Ale House last night because I did actually make a move on someone but then realized just in time that I am, in fact, married."
Sorry to break it to you, but the man you were making a move on was not me, I was back at home with my girlfriend. But I'm glad you realized you were married. Does she know?
"Your 2nd paragraph does confuse me a bit. Were you at the Stout Ale House last night because I did actually make a move on someone but then realized just in time that I am, in fact, married."
Sorry to break it to you, but the man you were making a move on was not me, I was back at home with my girlfriend. But I'm glad you realized you were married. Does she know?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 01:34:08 PM
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor.
And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time.
You said you didn't recall Stout winning any titles. I simply pointed out the reality.
What do you mean by running into a 47 man with 2 kids?
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:21:19 PM
That's great "Bob" but isn't that relatively the same success that other teams are having like Point, 2 WIAC titles, 2 Final Fours and a National Title, and Oshkosh - many many titles...First your knocking SP's coach, you get a couple of perspectives, then you defend the style of play, you get a perspective, now we're supposed to bow down because they've either TIED or won a conference title outright 3 of 5 years? Big deal man.
I have never posted anything bad about any program, or coach.
And yes, winning or sharing 3 of 5 titles is a big deal, man.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:34:45 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 01:34:45 PM
One last blurb - are one of you guys actually GL? I know it's not you FL but one of you must be related, most are up there. Perhaps we can get together and play with bad mitten. Voice, you found a bad mitten once, right? Ah, the good ol' days!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:39:45 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:39:45 PM
QuoteThe coach that gets flustered will lose, and I didn't see the Oshkosh coach ruffle a hair in the loss at Stout. Shirley on the other hand was ragging the refs from the jump
Is this the line that's causing all the trouble ("First your [you're] knocking the coach"? Yikes. Which word was the killer? "ragging"? Well, I am a bad person. Let's say I said "conversing with". Confidentially, that's probably not the worst thing I've said about someone, but to preserve the nation, let's just have a do-over. If government can change it's story, I certainly can change mine.
I hold with my predictions, however.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:41:44 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 01:41:44 PM
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Forgot it in the last post.
Forgot it in the last post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PackerFan on February 22, 2006, 01:43:16 PM
Post by: PackerFan on February 22, 2006, 01:43:16 PM
I've been watching for awhile and I agree Stout fans are getting a little defensive. I know people who have played for Mark Thomas and have outright admitted that he encourages players to be dirty and see what they can get away with. So don't act like they are just being aggressive, we all know better than that. He is smart however, get a huge recruiting class by promising people playing time so they go to Stout but then have them sit the bench. That way they aren't playing for the competition, right? He also has the advantage of hosting AAU.
What is frustrating about this league is refs are so inconsitent. They'll let Stout get away with fouls and "aggressive" play, but then call those things on the other team. Kelsey Duoss is one of the better player I've seen in the WIAC but if the refs enforced the 3 second rule on her she'd be in trouble. She'll sit in the lane all night but then the refs will call a 3 second violation on the other team, it's rediculous.
It will be interesting to see what happens tonight. I'm a sucker for the underdog so I'm hoping LaCrosse comes out on top.
What is frustrating about this league is refs are so inconsitent. They'll let Stout get away with fouls and "aggressive" play, but then call those things on the other team. Kelsey Duoss is one of the better player I've seen in the WIAC but if the refs enforced the 3 second rule on her she'd be in trouble. She'll sit in the lane all night but then the refs will call a 3 second violation on the other team, it's rediculous.
It will be interesting to see what happens tonight. I'm a sucker for the underdog so I'm hoping LaCrosse comes out on top.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play.
Nearly as funny as seeing the original poster resort to name calling and insults because
someone disagreed with his point. Hello pot, my name is kettle. We're black.
I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.
They're not my beloved team and and your simple opinion sounded more like simple whining to me.
Have you ever played a pick up game?
We're you ever a member of an intramural championship team?
And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...
Is your long term memory equally bad?
Sorry, I couldn't resist the temptation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 22, 2006, 02:27:58 PM
Post by: billys on February 22, 2006, 02:27:58 PM
Wow. All it took was a little smack talk to get conversation going here and now people post by the minute. I should have bashed some teams a long time ago to get things going. Since I think I've been one of the only La Crosse followers on here who's posted somewhat regularly, and now have seen all four teams left play, I'd like to throw out my uneducated guesses for tonight.
Point at Oshkosh- I saw Oshkosh rip La Crosse here at La Crosse and know they have the best five in the league. They got some rest Monday and should be ready to fly. Point losing Kranz hurts them for certain. I don't see a way Point wins this game unless they truly shut down the three point line. We posted a lot earlier in the year about the importance of seniors. Of the key players in the final four tonight, Oshkosh has the best/most seniors. Not to mention they are undefeated at home. Oshkosh 74- Point 59
La Crosse at Stout- Again I follow the Eagles so I'm trying to keep my bias out of it. What they have done this year for a team with no seniors and picked to finish 7th is remarkable. I know they believe they can win this game. History though says Stout simply because they're the number one seed and at home. What amazing stats. #1 Seeds 22-0 in the tournament. Home teams, I think I read 44-5. So I'm going to reluctantly pick Stout 69-63. But as someone said earlier, I'm a sucker for the underdogs. Eventually the number one has to fall right? I'm thinking/hoping this is the preview of the 2007 WIAC Championship game. La Crosse returns everyone and Stout loses Hendricks (which will hurt). But with the POTY in Duoss back, they will have to be the favorite.
I digress. Unfortunately no radio from LaX so I'll have to listen to the Stoutguys. Just kidding guys, glad you're covering.
Oh, and by the way, is it possible to agree with everyone involved in this urinating contest? Cause each post I'm finding a good point (when you pull out the bias)
Point at Oshkosh- I saw Oshkosh rip La Crosse here at La Crosse and know they have the best five in the league. They got some rest Monday and should be ready to fly. Point losing Kranz hurts them for certain. I don't see a way Point wins this game unless they truly shut down the three point line. We posted a lot earlier in the year about the importance of seniors. Of the key players in the final four tonight, Oshkosh has the best/most seniors. Not to mention they are undefeated at home. Oshkosh 74- Point 59
La Crosse at Stout- Again I follow the Eagles so I'm trying to keep my bias out of it. What they have done this year for a team with no seniors and picked to finish 7th is remarkable. I know they believe they can win this game. History though says Stout simply because they're the number one seed and at home. What amazing stats. #1 Seeds 22-0 in the tournament. Home teams, I think I read 44-5. So I'm going to reluctantly pick Stout 69-63. But as someone said earlier, I'm a sucker for the underdogs. Eventually the number one has to fall right? I'm thinking/hoping this is the preview of the 2007 WIAC Championship game. La Crosse returns everyone and Stout loses Hendricks (which will hurt). But with the POTY in Duoss back, they will have to be the favorite.
I digress. Unfortunately no radio from LaX so I'll have to listen to the Stoutguys. Just kidding guys, glad you're covering.
Oh, and by the way, is it possible to agree with everyone involved in this urinating contest? Cause each post I'm finding a good point (when you pull out the bias)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 02:37:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 02:37:43 PM
Home teams are 48-5 now.
I used to believe in the law of averages but Superior's combined 0-32 has given me cause to doubt.
No, you can only agree with me. :D;)
I used to believe in the law of averages but Superior's combined 0-32 has given me cause to doubt.
No, you can only agree with me. :D;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 03:11:58 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 03:11:58 PM
LaCrosse was very tough in Menomonie last year at this time. I wouldn't take anything away from them. I also think it's possible/likely there will be a strong support section, since LAX is not that far away. A loud group of fans can spur a team on, too. It's likely to be a very good game.
I see it being close until mid-second half.
Superior is going to have a come-back. Some-time.
I see it being close until mid-second half.
Superior is going to have a come-back. Some-time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
Hey shootfromthearc, does RUGBY count as playing a sport before???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 04:12:10 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 04:12:10 PM
QuotePoint losing KranzWhat was the injury?
You know, when Superior played Point, Schultz was just back. She scored 26 against UW-Soup. Without Schultz, does Superior have a chance of taking that game? Jenny Carlson has had a couple of games with five 3-pointers. If the team had a starting five OR some depth, it might be a contender.
Here's my pitch to current high school seniors:
Do you want to make a difference? Do you want to be guaranteed some playing time? Do you want to travel and see the northern parts of most of the mid-West? UW-Superior is the place to be.
Poised on the edge of the most superior of lakes, UW-Superior women's basketball has room to grow. Academics are good, the atmosphere is surprisingly warm, the fieldhouse is brand spanking new. Can't say much about the coaches, because we don't know who they are. (Coaches: do you want to make a difference...?)
Reply to this post. I'll point you to the website.
Is this against posting rules? Am I going to get yanked?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 22, 2006, 04:13:37 PM
Post by: cubs on February 22, 2006, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 03:24:20 PMMaybe I am just reading a little into this, but wasn't there a former poster on hear by the name of RUGBY???
Hey shootfromthearc, does RUGBY count as playing a sport before???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 04:22:34 PM
Post by: BDB on February 22, 2006, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 04:12:10 PMQuote
Here's my pitch to current high school seniors:
Do you want to make a difference? Do you want to be guaranteed some playing time? Do you want to travel and see the northern parts of most of the mid-West? UW-Superior is the place to be.
Poised on the edge of the most superior of lakes, UW-Superior women's basketball has room to grow. Academics are good, the atmosphere is surprisingly warm, the fieldhouse is brand spanking new. Can't say much about the coaches, because we don't know who they are. (Coaches: do you want to make a difference...?)
Reply to this post. I'll point you to the website.
Is this against posting rules? Am I going to get yanked?
That's probably the most recruiting UW-Superior has had all year. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 04:52:06 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 04:52:06 PM
What do you mean the atmosphere is surprisingly warm FL? I knew a guy who went to Superior once. He told me that one time it got so cold that he never left his dorm room for three days. I think he flunked out though. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2006, 04:53:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2006, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 22, 2006, 04:12:10 PM
Is this against posting rules? Am I going to get yanked?
I don't know if its expressly against the rules, but I know that Pat doesn't usually like posters pumping the audience for recruits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 05:28:21 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 05:28:21 PM
Mmmmmmm, Rugby, now there's a sport. Now only if we could get Wagner back on here.
BWH - you're a moron. Nuff said.
BWH - you're a moron. Nuff said.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 05:48:02 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on February 22, 2006, 05:48:02 PM
and I always thought of Rugby as the sport for those who cold not make the varsity college teams...........................
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 06:05:31 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2006, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2006, 05:28:21 PM
BWH - you're a moron. Nuff said.
Thanks, considering the source that makes me a mental giant. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 08:51:32 PM
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 08:51:32 PM
cubs-
Yeah, there was a poster on here named Rugby, a Point fan. Don't know what happened to him/her.
Point 26
UWO 24
Half
UWO had a 19-10 lead. Looking at the boxscore it looks like Knapp has performed by far the best for UWO. She has 15pts, including 3-3 on 3s and 7rebs. The problem is she has 3 fouls. Next scoring leader is Eggers with 5pts but she needs 7 shots to get it. Herrick and Garman each with 2pts and that is it for UWO. Nuenfeld leads Point with 9pts but Schulz with 0pts.
Stout up over UWL at the half by 5 or so. The lead was up to 12 but UWL with a little run before the half.
Yeah, there was a poster on here named Rugby, a Point fan. Don't know what happened to him/her.
Point 26
UWO 24
Half
UWO had a 19-10 lead. Looking at the boxscore it looks like Knapp has performed by far the best for UWO. She has 15pts, including 3-3 on 3s and 7rebs. The problem is she has 3 fouls. Next scoring leader is Eggers with 5pts but she needs 7 shots to get it. Herrick and Garman each with 2pts and that is it for UWO. Nuenfeld leads Point with 9pts but Schulz with 0pts.
Stout up over UWL at the half by 5 or so. The lead was up to 12 but UWL with a little run before the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 08:54:50 PM
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 08:54:50 PM
Correction:
Stout 35
UWL 24
Half
Duoss with 11pts for Stout
Johnson with 8 for UWL
Stout 35
UWL 24
Half
Duoss with 11pts for Stout
Johnson with 8 for UWL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 09:13:41 PM
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 09:13:41 PM
Point 48
UWO 43
12min
Knapp has 17pts but 4 fouls. However, freshman Roberts has 3 3s in the 2nd half for UWO. Schultz has 7pts in the 2nd.
UWO 43
12min
Knapp has 17pts but 4 fouls. However, freshman Roberts has 3 3s in the 2nd half for UWO. Schultz has 7pts in the 2nd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 09:51:58 PM
Post by: buf on February 22, 2006, 09:51:58 PM
Point 68
UWO 58
Final
UWO:
Knapp 19pts, 8rebs, fouled out
Eggers 14pts, 4-17 FGs
Herrick 10pts 6rebs
Point:
Neuenfeld 19pts
Houghton 14pts
Lechault 10pts 10rebs
Interesting stat:
UWO was 8-20 on 3s (40%), 12-42 on 2s (28%).
Tough to win when you only shoot 28% on your 2-point shots.
Stout 69
UWL 57
1:00 min left
UWO 58
Final
UWO:
Knapp 19pts, 8rebs, fouled out
Eggers 14pts, 4-17 FGs
Herrick 10pts 6rebs
Point:
Neuenfeld 19pts
Houghton 14pts
Lechault 10pts 10rebs
Interesting stat:
UWO was 8-20 on 3s (40%), 12-42 on 2s (28%).
Tough to win when you only shoot 28% on your 2-point shots.
Stout 69
UWL 57
1:00 min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: padmofu on February 22, 2006, 10:09:38 PM
Post by: padmofu on February 22, 2006, 10:09:38 PM
The Titan game was tough to watch. The way this one started you would have thought it was going to be a 20+ point win for UWO. Student fan support was sad at best for a game of this importance and a school this size. Congrats to the seniors for their impressive careers and a great season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
Two good things: I don't have any real credentials to recruit and I don't make predictions for a living.
Won't venture a guess about Saturday, but I know it will be entertaining. To preserve the future peace, I also won't comment on the coaching.
Fierce battle in Menomonie tonight.
Won't venture a guess about Saturday, but I know it will be entertaining. To preserve the future peace, I also won't comment on the coaching.
Fierce battle in Menomonie tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2006, 11:32:11 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2006, 11:32:11 AM
I'm glad we will get to see a SP vs. Stout game with both Schultz and Duoss playing. I feel like the first two games were poor indicators because of the injuries at the time. SP doesn't have Kranz, but I don't think she makes as big of an impact as Schultz.
My pick - Stout 72, SP 68, in a great game.
My pick - Stout 72, SP 68, in a great game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 23, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 23, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
So does the WIAC get to in? Does the loser of this game make the tournament? Loser will have 8 losses. Lots of losses in the central region. But with the expansion does the coveted, yet a bit weaker this year WIAC get two in? I'm sure there will be some 10, 11, 12 loss teams in. WIAC has proven it can usually get to the final four. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2006, 01:33:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2006, 01:33:47 PM
shoot,
There won't be any 10, 11 and 12 loss Pool C teams in. There may be some in Pool A or possibly Pool B, but that has no relevance to the Pool C argument.
I think without any teams in the Regional Rankings, the WIAC is destined to have just Saturday's winner in the NCAAs.
There won't be any 10, 11 and 12 loss Pool C teams in. There may be some in Pool A or possibly Pool B, but that has no relevance to the Pool C argument.
I think without any teams in the Regional Rankings, the WIAC is destined to have just Saturday's winner in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2006, 05:15:46 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2006, 05:15:46 PM
You never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
QuoteYou never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....I thought WIAC tournament winner got an automatic bid. Is that not true? WIAC rep might not make it out of the regional NCAA, but it would have to get at least to the first round, wouldn't it? Only a WIAC team can win the WIAC tournament, so how does a WIAC team not get a toe, at least, in the door?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 23, 2006, 07:22:14 PM
Post by: billys on February 23, 2006, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 06:50:00 PMQuoteYou never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....I thought WIAC tournament winner got an automatic bid. Is that not true? WIAC rep might not make it out of the regional NCAA, but it would have to get at least to the first round, wouldn't it? Only a WIAC team can win the WIAC tournament, so how does a WIAC team not get a toe, at least, in the door?
I think he was kidding.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 07:27:59 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 07:27:59 PM
Oh, man. I thought for a while there was some kind of rule that said some arbiter could just toss a team based on--it's posters to the D3 Hoops boards, or something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 10:14:46 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 10:14:46 PM
LaCrosse men come within .4-second of giving Stout a double-header Saturday night. Women stay home and Stout men hit the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2006, 11:30:06 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2006, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: billys on February 23, 2006, 07:22:14 PMQuote from: foul_language on February 23, 2006, 06:50:00 PMQuoteYou never know......the WIAC could even get zero teams in.....I thought WIAC tournament winner got an automatic bid. Is that not true? WIAC rep might not make it out of the regional NCAA, but it would have to get at least to the first round, wouldn't it? Only a WIAC team can win the WIAC tournament, so how does a WIAC team not get a toe, at least, in the door?
I think he was kidding.
Never put anything past the NCAA....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2006, 02:01:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2006, 02:01:13 PM
Does anyone know if the Stout womens game will be audio webcast on Saturday? I assume the regular crew will travel down to Whitewater with the men.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
I've heard the rumor twice now--once on the radio, if that can be considered a rumor--that WIAC championship games would be carried on FSN. Is that true? If so, will game(s) be live or tape delayed? If tape-delayed, when will they be broadcast? Right now, it looks as though the men's game will miss out to a high school game (on the FSN schedule).
I'm also curious as to how the WMEQ station plans to address the men's/women's games situation.
I'm also curious as to how the WMEQ station plans to address the men's/women's games situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2006, 02:35:59 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2006, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
I've heard the rumor twice now--once on the radio, if that can be considered a rumor--that WIAC championship games would be carried on FSN. Is that true? If so, will game(s) be live or tape delayed? If tape-delayed, when will they be broadcast? Right now, it looks as though the men's game will miss out to a high school game (on the FSN schedule).
I'm also curious as to how the WMEQ station plans to address the men's/women's games situation.
Jack Bennett told me last Sat. that he would be doing the FSN broadcast of the men's championship game. He said it would be tape delayed. I don't know the status of the women's game. WMEQ is sending Jake and me to WW and my other radio partner, Jason Kenyon, will be doing the women's game. If you go to the women's game, introduce yourself to Jason as the Superior person who listens to the radio show on Sat.'s and maybe offer him a key to the city or something!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:02:32 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:02:32 PM
Jason would be the one casting apersions on our fine city? Or was it the campus? Now I can't even remember. I'll have to go back and look at the posts.
We don't need no stickin' keys up here; we get by with shovels. And hairspray.
We don't need no stickin' keys up here; we get by with shovels. And hairspray.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:36:12 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:36:12 PM
stinkin' not stickin'. Fridays are not always the best days for paying attention.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2006, 04:09:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2006, 04:09:58 PM
The game preview posted on the UWSP website says the women's championship will be broadcast on FSN on a tape delay basis sometime in March.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 24, 2006, 04:40:34 PM
Post by: BDB on February 24, 2006, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 03:02:32 PM
Jason would be the one casting apersions on our fine city? Or was it the campus? Now I can't even remember. I'll have to go back and look at the posts.
We don't need no stickin' keys up here; we get by with shovels. And hairspray.
Jason would be the host of WWSS casting aspersions on your fine city.
Give him the hairspray and shovel to the city. He'll like that. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 07:58:16 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 07:58:16 PM
Cassandra Schultz or Kelsey Duoss. Which one will still be playing next week?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2006, 10:14:55 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2006, 10:14:55 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 24, 2006, 07:58:16 PM
Cassandra Schultz or Kelsey Duoss. Which one will still be playing next week?
Who knows, my guess is Duoss. Stout has a regional record of 16-5. If they lose tomorrow they might have a chance at a Pool C, although I don't think it would be a good chance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2006, 11:33:59 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2006, 11:33:59 PM
Two teams very evenly matched on paper, if you look at the stats...
I'm taking Stout, based on the experience they gained last year, the home court advantage/large crowd they will have on hand, and Duoss.
Who will step up for the Pointers if Schultz is shut down? That will be a big key for the Pointers, who seemed to have different people do that throughout the season...
I'm taking Stout, based on the experience they gained last year, the home court advantage/large crowd they will have on hand, and Duoss.
Who will step up for the Pointers if Schultz is shut down? That will be a big key for the Pointers, who seemed to have different people do that throughout the season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2006, 12:28:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2006, 12:28:13 AM
The home team has never lost the WIAC women's tournament championship game. Thus far the home team is 5-1 in this year's touranment. To my way of thinking that makes Stout the prohibitive favorite.
Then there is that law of averages thing I used to believe in before I saw Superior go 0-32 this year.
Good luck to both teams. I hope it's a great game but I'm afraid it's the men's game I'll be focused on.
Then there is that law of averages thing I used to believe in before I saw Superior go 0-32 this year.
Good luck to both teams. I hope it's a great game but I'm afraid it's the men's game I'll be focused on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2006, 05:53:49 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2006, 05:53:49 PM
Stout 84
Point 70
Final
Duoss scores 19 despite being in foul trouble the entire game. Schultz ends career with 20pts.
Point 70
Final
Duoss scores 19 despite being in foul trouble the entire game. Schultz ends career with 20pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2006, 12:34:52 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2006, 12:34:52 PM
Congrats lady Blue Devil and good luck in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2006, 11:16:15 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2006, 11:16:15 PM
As expected, Stout is the lone WIAC representative. However, the WIAC men got 3 in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 08:01:34 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 08:01:34 AM
Can someone drop me an e-mail (not a message board post) when those games are aired on FSN? I would like to watch. Have the DirecTV sports pack and need to get my $$$ worth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2006, 09:06:58 AM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2006, 09:06:58 AM
From what I can make out of the pairings, it looks like Stout will be playing Concordia-Moorhead in Simpson, Iowa. The winner will then face either Simpson or St. Bens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 12:21:03 PM
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 12:21:03 PM
Stout fans, or anyone in the know:
What can you tell me about the Lady Blue Devils this season. I see they have been pretty successful lately, but beyond that I am pretty empty as far as knowledge. Anything would be appreciated....thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2006, 12:31:04 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2006, 12:31:04 PM
Stout women started slow and seem to be peaking at just the right time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 12:53:52 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 12:53:52 PM
They play physically. Most things run through Duoss. They like to play uptempo and run, run, run.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 01:36:29 PM
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 12:53:52 PM
They play physically. Most things run through Duoss. They like to play uptempo and run, run, run.
Hey BW,
At the game on Saturday, Duoss only played about 15 minutes due to foul trouble. The post play was still excellent.
Sorry I missed you and OS etc. down there Saturday. We were too busy celebrating our tourney championship at the Stout Ale House. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2006, 02:07:14 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2006, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 12:21:03 PM
Stout fans, or anyone in the know:
What can you tell me about the Lady Blue Devils this season. I see they have been pretty successful lately, but beyond that I am pretty empty as far as knowledge. Anything would be appreciated....thanks.
Concordia's main concern will have to be Duoss. She is considered one of the best players in D3. She seems to score in bunches but sometimes it seems that Stout forgets about her once in a while (not getting her the ball for a few minutes).
Stout has played better the last half of the season. I think the reason for this is because other players have stepped up to complement Duoss. Hendricks has been hot from 3-point range and Bird has been shooting well as of late. Another offensive weapon can be L. Geissler, although she seems to be struggling a bit from the field lately.
As mentioned before, Stout likes the uptempo game. However, there press and tempo has been more controlled the last couple years than it was prior. Stout will put Hendricks on Concordia's best offensive player, unless it is a post.
Well this is what I know about Stout. BDB, stoutguy and foul know them better than me though. So what should we know about Concordia? I tried watching them on their video webcast this weekend but I was getting a really bad feed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 02:20:20 PM
QuoteHey BW,
At the game on Saturday, Duoss only played about 15 minutes due to foul trouble. The post play was still excellent.
Sorry I missed you and OS etc. down there Saturday. We were too busy celebrating our tourney championship at the Stout Ale House. ;)
Afterward I told Stoutguy to tell you that you picked the right game. Nobody from Stout really seemed to enjoy the game down here. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: buf on February 27, 2006, 02:07:14 PMQuote from: Maroon&Gold on February 27, 2006, 12:21:03 PM
Stout fans, or anyone in the know:
What can you tell me about the Lady Blue Devils this season. I see they have been pretty successful lately, but beyond that I am pretty empty as far as knowledge. Anything would be appreciated....thanks.
Concordia's main concern will have to be Duoss. She is considered one of the best players in D3. She seems to score in bunches but sometimes it seems that Stout forgets about her once in a while (not getting her the ball for a few minutes).
Stout has played better the last half of the season. I think the reason for this is because other players have stepped up to complement Duoss. Hendricks has been hot from 3-point range and Bird has been shooting well as of late. Another offensive weapon can be L. Geissler, although she seems to be struggling a bit from the field lately.
As mentioned before, Stout likes the uptempo game. However, there press and tempo has been more controlled the last couple years than it was prior. Stout will put Hendricks on Concordia's best offensive player, unless it is a post.
Well this is what I know about Stout. BDB, stoutguy and foul know them better than me though. So what should we know about Concordia? I tried watching them on their video webcast this weekend but I was getting a really bad feed.
Concordia is a team that most people would say has probably overachieved this year. They lost the two time MIAC MVP to graduation and have only 1 senior on this year's team. However they have been successful because they really play as a team and a variety of people can step up on any given night.
Hageman is their main post weapon (17 pts a game) although she is not physically imposing she is very athletic and has really, really, really good feet inside. T. Elhert is the other post and she is the team's physical force. While undersized, she is a good leaper and rebounds very well. On the perimiter the Cobbers have Anne Keeley, who scores over 12 a game and, J. Heintz, and S. Krabbenhoft (Joe Krabbenhoft of Badger fame's sister) who can all hit the 3. two freshman guards also play quite a bit, with the Freduenberg girl running the PG spot.
The strength of thsi squad is probably on the defensive end of the floor, they only give up somewhere around 58 points per game and they also led the MIAC in rebounding margin. Looking at stats the game appears to be featuring teams with slightly different styles, as Concordia is not a run first team, they can and will at certain times, but it is not their main priority.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 03:23:24 PM
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 02:20:20 PMQuoteHey BW,
At the game on Saturday, Duoss only played about 15 minutes due to foul trouble. The post play was still excellent.
Sorry I missed you and OS etc. down there Saturday. We were too busy celebrating our tourney championship at the Stout Ale House. ;)
Afterward I told Stoutguy to tell you that you picked the right game. Nobody from Stout really seemed to enjoy the game down here. ;)
BW,
From the sound of it, I don't think the Detroit Pistons would have beat the Warhawks on Saturday night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 03:53:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2006, 03:53:20 PM
The Piston could have but my beloved CELTICS[/color] probably couldn't. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 04:32:30 PM
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2006, 04:32:30 PM
Early information coming out of the Stout SID's office has both BlueDevil teams playing their first round games at the same time. >:(
The women are scheduled to tip off at 5:30pm and the men at 6:00pm, both on Friday. :P
I guess the men's starting time is tentative, so hopefully that will change.
The two sites are only about an hour and a half apart, so if they weren't playing at the same time BlueDevil fans could see both teams play.
The women are scheduled to tip off at 5:30pm and the men at 6:00pm, both on Friday. :P
I guess the men's starting time is tentative, so hopefully that will change.
The two sites are only about an hour and a half apart, so if they weren't playing at the same time BlueDevil fans could see both teams play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2006, 08:29:07 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2006, 08:29:07 PM
Are there any group plans for the IA trip? What hotel are fans at? When are people going down? Any group tickets? Group hotel rates? Any idea where Indianola, Iowa is? Any town that can start and end city AND state names with the same vowels and lead one to believe it's in a different state--c'mon, who wouldn't think it was next to Indianapolis, Indiana?--gets a tip of the hat from me [not 'I', ay].
Just kidding there; I found it on the map. Go to Minnesota and turn left.
My brother said there might be green grass down there already. Bring your golf clubs.
Just kidding there; I found it on the map. Go to Minnesota and turn left.
My brother said there might be green grass down there already. Bring your golf clubs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 28, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Post by: BDB on February 28, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Foul,
There are fan buses going to both sites. Both leave at 9am on Friday.
Call 715-232-2224 to make a reservation.
There are fan buses going to both sites. Both leave at 9am on Friday.
Call 715-232-2224 to make a reservation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 28, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 28, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
BDB--We're driving, but I'm looking for lodging, ticket, etc info. I'll check with team people.
This is probably a discussion that gets hacked to death every year, but how is it that Stout women end up with all the Western bid-ees (not biddies) and not the Central? Is that just a balance kind of thing? Not that I mind going to Iowa rather than Illinois, but it does seem to be a semi-random splitting of schools in brackets. I see it and don't see it, if that makes any sense.
Too bad we can't meet Concordia-Moorhead in a centralized neutral place like St Cloud to cut the trip a bit...good thing I'm not in charge of setting up these games.
This is probably a discussion that gets hacked to death every year, but how is it that Stout women end up with all the Western bid-ees (not biddies) and not the Central? Is that just a balance kind of thing? Not that I mind going to Iowa rather than Illinois, but it does seem to be a semi-random splitting of schools in brackets. I see it and don't see it, if that makes any sense.
Too bad we can't meet Concordia-Moorhead in a centralized neutral place like St Cloud to cut the trip a bit...good thing I'm not in charge of setting up these games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 28, 2006, 10:49:40 AM
Post by: BDB on February 28, 2006, 10:49:40 AM
Since we are so close to the West, and since the NCAA is concerned about travel costs, we do tend to always start out playing those teams.
However, it does seem odd that these teams aren't meeting in St. Joseph, which would be a lot less travel collectively.
Having said that, I'm glad that if we meet St. Benedicts it won't be on the Blazers home floor, having gotten whooped there in the tournament 5 years ago.
However, it does seem odd that these teams aren't meeting in St. Joseph, which would be a lot less travel collectively.
Having said that, I'm glad that if we meet St. Benedicts it won't be on the Blazers home floor, having gotten whooped there in the tournament 5 years ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 07:25:36 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 28, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
BDB--We're driving, but I'm looking for lodging, ticket, etc info. I'll check with team people.
foul
Long time reader, now a poster... The team is staying at the Des Moines Airport Heartland Inn.
As to playing at St. Ben's home court, having been there for the DIII tourney game before, that site is not an NCAA Tournament quality facility. If I remember correctly, it seats less than 1,000 - which for a 4 team DIII tournament weekend is just not sufficient.
BDB, BW, and Stoutguy, you know who I am... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
Hey Champ, good to see you drop by.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 10:49:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 10:49:41 PM
Things are a little slow on the other board we post on...
Thought it might be time to join the D3 board.
Just saw the current D3 poll - Simpson is #18 and Stout is #21. St. Ben's got 4 votes - Concordia didn't get any.
Not that the rankings mean much now that the brackets are set. Just have to beat whatever team you are scheduled to play...
Good luck to your Warhawks in the men's tourney - at least until they play Stout again (hoping that both teams make it that far)... ;)
Men's rankings in the current poll... UWW is #15 and Stout is #19. LaCrosse got 9 votes.
Thought it might be time to join the D3 board.
Just saw the current D3 poll - Simpson is #18 and Stout is #21. St. Ben's got 4 votes - Concordia didn't get any.
Not that the rankings mean much now that the brackets are set. Just have to beat whatever team you are scheduled to play...
Good luck to your Warhawks in the men's tourney - at least until they play Stout again (hoping that both teams make it that far)... ;)
Men's rankings in the current poll... UWW is #15 and Stout is #19. LaCrosse got 9 votes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 07:54:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 07:54:41 AM
From Pat C's. article on this weekend's games at Simpson:
Scheduling 3 games against DI and DII teams also doesn't help Stout's seeding, but I think that playing challenging non conference games improves the team.
Hopefully Pat is correct about this weekend's results in Indianloa!!!
QuoteCinderella story: It almost seems unfair to label a WIAC team a Cinderella. UW-Stout had some tough games against good competition during a midseason run and ends up a low seed as a result. Don't let the seed fool you — the Blue Devils can be a player in this bracket. They're the best candidate in this grouping, but sliding Hardin-Simmons could use the motivation of knocking its crosstown rival out of the tournament as a springboard to winning the regional.
Most likely to disappoint: Simpson. It's hard to gauge how battle-ready this team is. They're 1-2 against NCAA Tournament teams, all on neutral floors, and even the win is somewhat tempered — against Bates when Bates was 4-5. (The Bobcats are back at full strength and are 19-8 now.)
Scheduling 3 games against DI and DII teams also doesn't help Stout's seeding, but I think that playing challenging non conference games improves the team.
Hopefully Pat is correct about this weekend's results in Indianloa!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2006, 09:21:51 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2006, 09:21:51 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 28, 2006, 10:49:41 PM
Things are a little slow on the other board we post on...
Thought it might be time to join the D3 board.
Just saw the current D3 poll - Simpson is #18 and Stout is #21. St. Ben's got 4 votes - Concordia didn't get any.
Not that the rankings mean much now that the brackets are set. Just have to beat whatever team you are scheduled to play...
Good luck to your Warhawks in the men's tourney - at least until they play Stout again (hoping that both teams make it that far)... ;)
Men's rankings in the current poll... UWW is #15 and Stout is #19. LaCrosse got 9 votes.
Thanks, we'll need as much luck as possible. Same to your BlueDevil women.
The national rankings are nice but the ones you want to play closest attention to are the regional rankings. They're far more significant when it comes to the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 09:29:15 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 09:29:15 AM
[quote author=badgerwarhawkThe national rankings are nice but the ones you want to play closest attention to are the regional rankings. They're far more significant when it comes to the tournament.
I understand what you're saying, but Stout is the only Central Region team in this bracket.
Kind of hard to compare, isn't it?
Quote
I understand what you're saying, but Stout is the only Central Region team in this bracket.
Kind of hard to compare, isn't it?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 09:47:01 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 09:47:01 AM
A quick note: I've spent time trying to figure the circular reasoning that starts with 'Stout beat Messiah, and Messiah beat...' and following the spiral until I was so dizzy I could throw up. What it comes down to, for me, is strengths and weaknesses, good and bad habits, ability to match up. That might be stating the obvious--and I'm all about obvious--but I see Stout as very strong, very fast, very aggressive and very deep. Their strength--and coincidentally, their weakness--is that they come out fast. If they're on, fast works very well; if they aren't on, something that looks like panic sets in--or used to. The other part of being fast and on is that Stout has gone into a lull with a big lead. That didn't happen against Stevens Point, so maybe Stout understands when a good coast is OK and when it's not.
I think Stout likes a challenge at this point. When I said they started slow and are peaking at the right time, I think that has as much to do with facing the challenge as with putting more points up than the opposition. Many of their losses this season were mental losses well before the final buzzer sounded. When they saw an 18 point lead melt down to two against LaCrosse(wasn't it?) we watched Stout claw their way back to a 14 (lord, my memory is bad; was it 14?) point win, you know they've formulated a strategy of confidence and ability.
Keeping Duoss in fewer minutes and letting the team know they can compete without her has been a great plan. Jenny McDermid has been terrific that last couple of games and has stepped in beautifully for Kelsey. That shores up all the second half of the first string. I personally believe Stout's first string is ten deep.
Stout hasn't collapsed on its game plan lately, and that's important.
Now, how does that stack up against the Concordia-Moorheads and Simpson's and St. Bens? Who knows until they get on the court together. It's like a big crap shoot, and I sincerely hope Stout takes into the game what they've learned since the beginning of the season.
It's too bad those Christmas tournaments aren't a mix of regional teams just to see how they stack up head-to-head or vicarious head-to-head so I can look at the stats and say, well, CM beat Northwestern by 20 and we beat them by 21, but Northwestern beat River Falls and River Falls played CM to a near tie...
I think Stout likes a challenge at this point. When I said they started slow and are peaking at the right time, I think that has as much to do with facing the challenge as with putting more points up than the opposition. Many of their losses this season were mental losses well before the final buzzer sounded. When they saw an 18 point lead melt down to two against LaCrosse(wasn't it?) we watched Stout claw their way back to a 14 (lord, my memory is bad; was it 14?) point win, you know they've formulated a strategy of confidence and ability.
Keeping Duoss in fewer minutes and letting the team know they can compete without her has been a great plan. Jenny McDermid has been terrific that last couple of games and has stepped in beautifully for Kelsey. That shores up all the second half of the first string. I personally believe Stout's first string is ten deep.
Stout hasn't collapsed on its game plan lately, and that's important.
Now, how does that stack up against the Concordia-Moorheads and Simpson's and St. Bens? Who knows until they get on the court together. It's like a big crap shoot, and I sincerely hope Stout takes into the game what they've learned since the beginning of the season.
It's too bad those Christmas tournaments aren't a mix of regional teams just to see how they stack up head-to-head or vicarious head-to-head so I can look at the stats and say, well, CM beat Northwestern by 20 and we beat them by 21, but Northwestern beat River Falls and River Falls played CM to a near tie...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 09:55:58 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 09:55:58 AM
foul
Are you going to make it down to Indianola?
We've booked a room at the Heartland for Saturday night. We'd like to be at the game Friday night, but Mrs. Champ's flight from Winnipeg doesn't get into Rochester until 4:45 PM. Kinda hard to make a 3 hour drive in 45 minutes... :(
Hopefully things go well on Friday night against the Cobbers so we can make the trip and enjoy some good Stout hoops action on Saturday night.
If that works out, we'll be sitting with Coach T's parents, most likely behind the Stout bench.
Are you going to make it down to Indianola?
We've booked a room at the Heartland for Saturday night. We'd like to be at the game Friday night, but Mrs. Champ's flight from Winnipeg doesn't get into Rochester until 4:45 PM. Kinda hard to make a 3 hour drive in 45 minutes... :(
Hopefully things go well on Friday night against the Cobbers so we can make the trip and enjoy some good Stout hoops action on Saturday night.
If that works out, we'll be sitting with Coach T's parents, most likely behind the Stout bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 10:00:12 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 10:00:12 AM
Dropping the dog off at 7:30 AM and heading south (go to Duluth and turn left, continue for 416 miles). Have heard from a co-worker who used to teach at Simpson that Indianola is a beautiful little town (for someone from a town of 5 or 6, 'little' doesn't describe size as much as sentiment) with a square. I love those kinds of towns, and I'm looking forward to TWO days of great basketball.
Maybe we can talk all four of the teams of getting together in the town square for a group picture. I'll bring my camera.
Maybe we can talk all four of the teams of getting together in the town square for a group picture. I'll bring my camera.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 10:14:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 10:14:45 AM
Forgot to mention...
If you are booking a room, call the hotel direct. I checked pricing online, and expedia showed a rate of $84.00 for a standard room.
When I called the hotel directly and mentioned I was with the Stout group, she offered a "Good Guy" discount. I chose the deluxe room for $79.00.
See that you must live up on the North Shore. Mrs. Champ and I are HS sweethearts from Hibbing.
If you are booking a room, call the hotel direct. I checked pricing online, and expedia showed a rate of $84.00 for a standard room.
When I called the hotel directly and mentioned I was with the Stout group, she offered a "Good Guy" discount. I chose the deluxe room for $79.00.
See that you must live up on the North Shore. Mrs. Champ and I are HS sweethearts from Hibbing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 11:28:40 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2006, 11:28:40 AM
We're more from the southeast shore--Wisconsin side. Hibbing is on our list of places to see, along with Fargo. Seriously. Some people want to see Las Vegas or Miami. Not us. Well, not me. some of 'us' might want to see Las Vegas and Miami. That part of 'us' doesn't post, so it doesn't get any voice/choice.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 01:10:50 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 01:10:50 PM
Ooooppppssss.....
Guessed wrong on your location. North Shore, South Shore, it's still a beautiful lake!!!
When you go up to Hibbing, try and get a tour of the HS. Built in 1920 at a cost of $4 mil, it was handicapped accessible when built (4 stories tall, with an elevator), had 2 indoor gymnasiums, an indoor track, a swimming pool and an auditiorium which seats around 2000 people with theater style seating and Italian crystal chandelliers.
Growing up, I thought everyone had a HS like that... ;D
Hibbing - the land of mines and pines...
Guessed wrong on your location. North Shore, South Shore, it's still a beautiful lake!!!
When you go up to Hibbing, try and get a tour of the HS. Built in 1920 at a cost of $4 mil, it was handicapped accessible when built (4 stories tall, with an elevator), had 2 indoor gymnasiums, an indoor track, a swimming pool and an auditiorium which seats around 2000 people with theater style seating and Italian crystal chandelliers.
Growing up, I thought everyone had a HS like that... ;D
Hibbing - the land of mines and pines...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 01, 2006, 02:45:05 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 01, 2006, 02:45:05 PM
Champ -
Putting your mugshot on the page kind of takes away the mistique... BDB, BW and Stoutguy aren't the only ones who know you...
You and Mrs. Champ have a safe trip and enjoy some Bluedevil BB!!!!!
Putting your mugshot on the page kind of takes away the mistique... BDB, BW and Stoutguy aren't the only ones who know you...
You and Mrs. Champ have a safe trip and enjoy some Bluedevil BB!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 07:00:52 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2006, 07:00:52 PM
Rico
By any chance, have we played golf together???
By any chance, have we played golf together???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2006, 01:31:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2006, 01:31:52 PM
WIAC All-Conference Team is out: http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/0506all.htm
Notable:
-Kelsey Duoss, Stout is Player of the Year
-Lois Heeren, La Crosse and Mark Thomas, Stout are Co-Coaches of the Year
-Oshkosh places 3 on first team
-Stout places 2 on first team
-EC shut out of First Team honors for first time in who knows how long?
-Mackenzie Hunter, La Crosse makes first team as a freshman. I scanned the archives on the WIAC web site and I only find 2 freshmen selected First Team All-Conference in the history of the league (Wendy Wangerin, OSH, 1993 & Sue Christiansen, EC, 1987). I could have missed some, but I think that's pretty impressive.
Notable:
-Kelsey Duoss, Stout is Player of the Year
-Lois Heeren, La Crosse and Mark Thomas, Stout are Co-Coaches of the Year
-Oshkosh places 3 on first team
-Stout places 2 on first team
-EC shut out of First Team honors for first time in who knows how long?
-Mackenzie Hunter, La Crosse makes first team as a freshman. I scanned the archives on the WIAC web site and I only find 2 freshmen selected First Team All-Conference in the history of the league (Wendy Wangerin, OSH, 1993 & Sue Christiansen, EC, 1987). I could have missed some, but I think that's pretty impressive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2006, 02:20:06 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2006, 02:20:06 PM
I agree Bill, that is impressive. Plus the EC guard, Arciszewski, came within one spot.
It was neat to see Morris get the recognition but disappointing Beuchner didn't make it.
Oh ya, thanks again for the link. After I read the men's list I was going to go back to the site to check the women but I thought why bother Bill will have the link posted here already. :D
It was neat to see Morris get the recognition but disappointing Beuchner didn't make it.
Oh ya, thanks again for the link. After I read the men's list I was going to go back to the site to check the women but I thought why bother Bill will have the link posted here already. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 02, 2006, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 02, 2006, 02:26:57 PM
Bill -
Thanks for the links on both the men's and women's teams. Can only say from Bluedevil country that all player's named are very deserving!
And special congratulations to Coach T!!
Hopefully all WIAC representatives will do well in the tourney... especially those Runnin' Devils!
Thanks for the links on both the men's and women's teams. Can only say from Bluedevil country that all player's named are very deserving!
And special congratulations to Coach T!!
Hopefully all WIAC representatives will do well in the tourney... especially those Runnin' Devils!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2006, 02:42:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2006, 02:42:14 PM
I should have read the release better:
UW-River Falls' Holly Spoo in 1995 made first team as a freshmen. I think I missed it because she played the rest of her career at Oshkosh, so her honors were split up between two schools.
UW-River Falls' Holly Spoo in 1995 made first team as a freshmen. I think I missed it because she played the rest of her career at Oshkosh, so her honors were split up between two schools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2006, 09:29:35 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2006, 09:29:35 PM
Congratulations to all players represented here, except those from Stout, for the fine seasons they had this year...
Stout is excluded from that statement because their season is still going. Good luck to the Blue Devils in the tournament and represent the WIAC well!
As a side note - Hunter, an Eau Claire Regis grad, was recruited by UWEC, but wanted to get away from home. I wonder what impact she would have had had she ended up there?
How much playing time she would have gotten on what was a young team, and what would the player rotation have been? Wonder what kinds of numbers would she have put up, too... Interesting to ponder that thought...
But she sure did help out the Eagles, who had a great season, and might be the favorite next season...
Stout is excluded from that statement because their season is still going. Good luck to the Blue Devils in the tournament and represent the WIAC well!
As a side note - Hunter, an Eau Claire Regis grad, was recruited by UWEC, but wanted to get away from home. I wonder what impact she would have had had she ended up there?
How much playing time she would have gotten on what was a young team, and what would the player rotation have been? Wonder what kinds of numbers would she have put up, too... Interesting to ponder that thought...
But she sure did help out the Eagles, who had a great season, and might be the favorite next season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 08:52:28 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 08:52:28 AM
Hey Champ!
I know we've been at many of the same golf events, but I don't recall ever golfing with you.
The mystery continues...
I know we've been at many of the same golf events, but I don't recall ever golfing with you.
The mystery continues...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 09:46:28 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 08:52:28 AM
Hey Champ!
I know we've been at many of the same golf events, but I don't recall ever golfing with you.
The mystery continues...
Yes it does... I made a guess based on some of the letters in your handle.
Would you be a banker?
(process of elimination begins...)
Anyway, here's to the UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils and a victory in tonight's game!!!
Good luck to all the WIAC teams tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2006, 11:34:05 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2006, 11:34:05 AM
Would you guys mind playing 20 Questions with your PMs? It doesn't make for the best reading.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 01:30:06 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 03, 2006, 11:34:05 AM
Would you guys mind playing 20 Questions with your PMs? It doesn't make for the best reading.
Bill
Sorry for the slight side tracking... Just not a whole lot of BB to talk about when there aren't any mid week games.
Should I PM you about the fact that my wife used to work with Holly Spoo's dad and that our daughters played together at the company picnic? ;) J/K...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
Since both Stout teams have overlapping games, will there be a radio crew at the womens game, which would be tape delayed until after the mens game is done?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 03, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: BDB on March 03, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: buf on March 03, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
Since both Stout teams have overlapping games, will there be a radio crew at the womens game, which would be tape delayed until after the mens game is done?
buf,
The men are on 880AM like normal. Pregame at 5:40.
The women are on 98.1 FM. Pregame should start around 5:10, but since this is a borrowed station it might just come on at 5:30 when the game starts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 03, 2006, 07:04:43 PM
Stout women up 30 - 18 at the half!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 07:56:50 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 07:56:50 PM
2:02 to play and Stout up by 20!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 08:01:43 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 08:01:43 PM
Final Score - UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils 61 - Concordia Cobbers 37!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 10:27:44 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 10:27:44 PM
Simpson defeated St. Ben's 73 - 70.
So it's Simpson on their home court vs. UW Stout for the right to advance to the next round tomorrow night.
Can't wait to get on the road in the morning!!! ;D
So it's Simpson on their home court vs. UW Stout for the right to advance to the next round tomorrow night.
Can't wait to get on the road in the morning!!! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2006, 11:04:31 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2006, 11:04:31 PM
Is there a link for tomorrow night's Stout - Simpson game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 11:33:26 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2006, 11:33:26 PM
The Menomonie radio crew will be at the Stout Men's game again tomorrow.
Both teams play at 7:00 PM.
I couldn't find a radio link on Simpson's website, so I think you're out of luck for the Stout Women's game tomorrow - unless they can find another station to air the game.
Tonight we listened to the Concordia Cobber broadcast. The gentleman did a real fine job.
Both teams play at 7:00 PM.
I couldn't find a radio link on Simpson's website, so I think you're out of luck for the Stout Women's game tomorrow - unless they can find another station to air the game.
Tonight we listened to the Concordia Cobber broadcast. The gentleman did a real fine job.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2006, 11:56:24 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2006, 11:56:24 AM
Blowout win is a nice way to start things out. Good luck tonight, BlueDevil.
Have a safe trip Champ.
Have a safe trip Champ.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 01:26:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 01:26:43 PM
LA RAMS-
Usually you would be able to get a webcast of the women's game. But since both Stout teams are playing at the same time tonight, I believe that the mens game will be the only game being webcasted. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think Simpson has a stream.
Usually you would be able to get a webcast of the women's game. But since both Stout teams are playing at the same time tonight, I believe that the mens game will be the only game being webcasted. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think Simpson has a stream.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2006, 04:23:55 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2006, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2006, 11:56:24 AM
Blowout win is a nice way to start things out. Good luck tonight, BlueDevil.
Have a safe trip Champ.
Thanks BW!!!
Easy 3 hour, uneventful drive...
Got down here in time to see the team take the bus to go for a shoot-a-round.
T's dad took the uniforms to the laundramat, and then we all went out to lunch.
Team just stopped by our room to pick up their freshly laundered uni's.
Just kickin' back, waiting for the game now.
I want three WIAC wins tonight!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 05:51:58 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 03, 2006, 11:04:31 PM
Is there a link for tomorrow night's Stout - Simpson game?
It looks like there is a link through Simpson on the women's scoreboard page.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:15:32 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:15:32 PM
Stout up 21-16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:19:02 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:19:02 PM
26-16 Stout up 10min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:28:42 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:28:42 PM
32-20 Stout 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:45:06 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 08:45:06 PM
Stout up 41-27 at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:02:15 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:02:15 PM
Stout lead down to 7, 43-36.
Both Duoss and Boese sitting on the bench with 3 fouls
Both Duoss and Boese sitting on the bench with 3 fouls
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:03:05 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:03:05 PM
McDermid also has 3 fouls
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on March 04, 2006, 09:09:48 PM
Post by: EChoops on March 04, 2006, 09:09:48 PM
looks like Stout has their hands full now...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:11:37 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:11:37 PM
Yes they do.
Stout only up 3 now.
Stout men were tied at the half and are now down 12 with 14min left. WW men already getting hammered. Stout women have to come through for WIAC
Stout only up 3 now.
Stout men were tied at the half and are now down 12 with 14min left. WW men already getting hammered. Stout women have to come through for WIAC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on March 04, 2006, 09:14:02 PM
Post by: EChoops on March 04, 2006, 09:14:02 PM
Duoss in again....would make for an interesting game if she fouled out....wishful thinking...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:14:49 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:14:49 PM
Stout up 4 after a Hendricks 3. Both teams shooting really well, especially Simpson from 3-point range.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:17:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:17:38 PM
Stout up 59-58 after Simpson 3. 8min left. Simpson has scored 30 already compared to just 27pts in the 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:24:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:24:08 PM
I think Simpson was up 3, but now Stout up 68-62 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:28:10 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:28:10 PM
Simpson 4-0 run, Stout by 2 4min?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:35:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:35:50 PM
Hendricks with a 3, 75-68 30sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:41:16 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 09:41:16 PM
Stout wins by about 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 04, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on March 04, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Buf,
Thanks for the info on the Simpson link. Got to listen to most of the second half anyway which saw Stout hold off host Simpson by 10. Guess Stout showed who's boss in the NCAA's version of the IIAC/MIAC/WIAC Challenge, huh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 10:09:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2006, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 04, 2006, 09:48:54 PM
Buf,
Guess Stout showed who's boss in the NCAA's version of the IIAC/MIAC/WIAC Challenge, huh?
Ya, they are peaking at the right time. For awhile there I thought it was going to end up similar to the game Stout lost against Millikin last year in the Sweet 16. Stout lead that game the whole way and was up double digits at the half, but lost it at the end. To Stout's credit, they didn't panic when Simpson took that 3 point lead. By the way Simpson was 8-11 on 3s. Pretty impressive
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 05, 2006, 09:18:26 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 05, 2006, 09:18:26 AM
Well, it was a great time to be a UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devil fan last night!!!
Yup, things did get a little dicey in the second half, but two team leaders, Molly Hendricks and Kelsey Duoss, decided that they weren't done playing BB this year.
Duoss tied the game up at 62 all with her first of 2 from the charity stripe at 6:32. Her second went in also to give Stout a lead they wouldn't relinquish.
At 5:40, Duoss got another rebound, and 10 seconds later on an assist by Savanah Oeltjen Kelsey popped a sweet little jumper to put the lead at three.
In the final 5 minutes of the game:
Molly Hendricks scored two 3 pointers and a pair of FT's to outscore the entire Simpson team. In the last 30 seconds she had two steals.
Duoss also added 4 points and a pair of blocks during this stretch.
Both Duoss and Hendricks finished the night with 19 points. Molly also added 10 rebounds, 9 assists, and 5 steals while Kelsey had 5 boards and 6 blocks.
Yup, things did get a little dicey in the second half, but two team leaders, Molly Hendricks and Kelsey Duoss, decided that they weren't done playing BB this year.
Duoss tied the game up at 62 all with her first of 2 from the charity stripe at 6:32. Her second went in also to give Stout a lead they wouldn't relinquish.
At 5:40, Duoss got another rebound, and 10 seconds later on an assist by Savanah Oeltjen Kelsey popped a sweet little jumper to put the lead at three.
In the final 5 minutes of the game:
Molly Hendricks scored two 3 pointers and a pair of FT's to outscore the entire Simpson team. In the last 30 seconds she had two steals.
Duoss also added 4 points and a pair of blocks during this stretch.
Both Duoss and Hendricks finished the night with 19 points. Molly also added 10 rebounds, 9 assists, and 5 steals while Kelsey had 5 boards and 6 blocks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 05, 2006, 03:01:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 05, 2006, 03:01:50 PM
Stout plays in Tacoma, Washington this upcoming weekend.
Champ-
Are you going???
Champ-
Are you going???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 05, 2006, 07:05:38 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 05, 2006, 07:05:38 PM
http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm
(http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm)
Randolph-Macon scoring leader seems to be an all-around player who may pass or shoot successfully; rebounds well--how can a team get that many rebounds in a season?--and gets plenty of steals. Does she need anyone else on the court?
Of course, I haven't looked at their level of competition, but with 27 wins, they likely have dealt with a little of everything.
How is it that Rochester comes into the tournament 18-1? Do they leave non-conference games out of the record?
Season records are an interesting mix. I guess it's time to try to figure out that Massey rating thing.
Molly Hendricks was a phenomenon Saturday night against Simpson. Looks like she might be on a mission. Hope it ends well in Springfield, Mass.
(http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm)
Randolph-Macon scoring leader seems to be an all-around player who may pass or shoot successfully; rebounds well--how can a team get that many rebounds in a season?--and gets plenty of steals. Does she need anyone else on the court?
Of course, I haven't looked at their level of competition, but with 27 wins, they likely have dealt with a little of everything.
How is it that Rochester comes into the tournament 18-1? Do they leave non-conference games out of the record?
Season records are an interesting mix. I guess it's time to try to figure out that Massey rating thing.
Molly Hendricks was a phenomenon Saturday night against Simpson. Looks like she might be on a mission. Hope it ends well in Springfield, Mass.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 06, 2006, 08:04:51 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 06, 2006, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: buf on March 05, 2006, 03:01:50 PM
Stout plays in Tacoma, Washington this upcoming weekend.
Champ-
Are you going???
Would love to go. But Mrs. Champ flies to work, and won't return from this week's assignment until 6:00 PM on Friday... :(
We'll have to listen to listen via the web.
I haven't seen where the game times were listed. If they ran things like Simpson did, Stout would play Randolph Macon in the early game which would mean about 7:30 PM our time.
Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 06, 2006, 08:32:55 AM
Post by: stoutguy on March 06, 2006, 08:32:55 AM
Early game is all that has been determined. I am looking forward to seeing our women again after doing the men's "near miss" in Moline last week. We fly out sometime Thursday. It seems like our senior leader Molly Hendricks is on a mission to not have this season end and whenever I hear that a team is dominated by one player who is not a post player like our opponent this week I smile and think, "She has not seen Molly yet".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 06, 2006, 09:42:16 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 06, 2006, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on March 06, 2006, 08:32:55 AM
It seems like our senior leader Molly Hendricks is on a mission to not have this season end and whenever I hear that a team is dominated by one player who is not a post player like our opponent this week I smile and think, "She has not seen Molly yet".
SG
You would have really enjoyed watching Molly on Saturday night. There was one scramble for a loose ball near the end of the game (I think Molly was the reason it was loose too...) that was ultimately determined to be a jump ball. You should have seen the grin on her face as she picked herself up off the floor... ;D
I had Molly's mom sitting right in front of me, and we both turned to each other and high 5'ed! We both knew that Molly was having fun!!!
I'll be looking forward to listening to your internet feed on Friday, and hopefully Saturday nights!!!
Have a safe and enjoyable trip. Wish Mrs. Champ and I could be out there with you and the team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 06, 2006, 02:01:08 PM
Post by: BDB on March 06, 2006, 02:01:08 PM
Fox Sports North will be replaying the WIAC Tournament Championships games this weekend:
Womens Championship Sat. March 11th - 1:00pm
Men's Championship Sun. March 12th - 5:00pm
Womens Championship Sat. March 11th - 1:00pm
Men's Championship Sun. March 12th - 5:00pm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 06, 2006, 04:35:45 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 06, 2006, 04:35:45 PM
Hope they replay the WIAC championship games as often as they replayed last years DIII championship games. I think I'm the only one who knows how to run the DVD/VCR recorder, and I'm hoping to be gone.
Looking out on the soggy, sort of sickly snow and wondering if this is what Tacoma looks like this time of year. Are the whales running? How is mass transit between Seattle and Tacoma sites? Shorts or long johns? Nor'easter or sun screen?
Are there advance ticket sales? or, like Simpson, school is counting on capacity not to be reached--although it very nearly was Friday night.
So many questions; so little time.
Looking out on the soggy, sort of sickly snow and wondering if this is what Tacoma looks like this time of year. Are the whales running? How is mass transit between Seattle and Tacoma sites? Shorts or long johns? Nor'easter or sun screen?
Are there advance ticket sales? or, like Simpson, school is counting on capacity not to be reached--although it very nearly was Friday night.
So many questions; so little time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 06, 2006, 05:15:20 PM
Post by: BDB on March 06, 2006, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: foul_language on March 06, 2006, 04:35:45 PM
Hope they replay the WIAC championship games as often as they replayed last years DIII championship games. I think I'm the only one who knows how to run the DVD/VCR recorder, and I'm hoping to be gone.
Foul,
I would bet the replay is a one time thing, so you better learn how to set the timer on your VCR.
Or at least teach the cat how to do it. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2006, 05:24:02 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2006, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: foul_language on March 05, 2006, 07:05:38 PM
Randolph-Macon scoring leader seems to be an all-around player who may pass or shoot successfully; rebounds well--how can a team get that many rebounds in a season?--and gets plenty of steals. Does she need anyone else on the court?
She does need other people. Someone has to inbound the ball to her. But Megan Silva is one of the top players in Division III. The only time I've seen her have an off game was in last year's title game after she hurt her wrist in the semifinals.
Quote from: foul_language on March 05, 2006, 07:05:38 PM
How is it that Rochester comes into the tournament 18-1? Do they leave non-conference games out of the record?
This is why people should use our bracket (http://www.d3sports.com/playoffs/wbbbracket2006.pdf) instead of the NCAA's. We care about getting the facts right.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 09:24:32 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 09:24:32 AM
QuoteThis is why people should use our bracket instead of the NCAA's. We care about getting the facts right.I sense a message in there...
I'm just amazed at the rebounding statistics for R-M. I should take the time to see what their shot percentage is; one would be tempted to believe they pad the numbers by missing a few shots in order to get more rebounds. Doesn't seem like a sound game plan, unless you're just toying with other teams.
I'm impressed with Stout's recent second-half play. They easily could have folded against Simpson's resurgence Saturday night, but they didn't. I think Kelsey Duoss in the game forces defenses to collapse inside, and of course that leaves the perimeter open to shoot. Duoss, then, is not only a potent force inside, she's also a wonderful decoy. A team COULD ignore her, but to its peril.
Amanda Geissler shows absolutely no fear or hesitation bringing the ball up, and that has to annoy an opponent. She and Lindsey work well together, and the entire starting ten is geling.
Will R-M be the toughest opponent of the weekend? I've been so dazzled by all the print on them that I failed to look at anyone else. That's probably good: don't look past the first game until you GET past the first game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 08:34:39 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 08:34:39 PM
It's eerily quiet out here. Where is everybody?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 07, 2006, 08:56:10 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 07, 2006, 08:56:10 PM
How many other WIAC fans are rooting for Stout? Just curious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 09:14:26 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 07, 2006, 09:14:26 PM
Of course, I can't represent myself as 'other WIAC fans', but in an effort to break the silence, I'd like to suggest that the farther Stout goes, the better WIAC teams look over all.
We all know that on any given night, any WIAC team can beat any other WIAC team. Sometimes, it's not a matter of who plays better but rather who's ahead at the final buzz.
I hope WIAC gets behind Stout this year--and truthfully, I hope Stout is out front for the next couple of years for WIAC to get behind; unabashed bias--and I hope Stout joins the rest if a different WIAC team moves up the brackets in the future.
Sort of WIAC patriotism.
We all know that on any given night, any WIAC team can beat any other WIAC team. Sometimes, it's not a matter of who plays better but rather who's ahead at the final buzz.
I hope WIAC gets behind Stout this year--and truthfully, I hope Stout is out front for the next couple of years for WIAC to get behind; unabashed bias--and I hope Stout joins the rest if a different WIAC team moves up the brackets in the future.
Sort of WIAC patriotism.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2006, 11:07:25 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2006, 11:07:25 PM
This blugold fan will be rooting for Stout!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 07, 2006, 11:30:16 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 07, 2006, 11:30:16 PM
I'm still debating.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:16:43 AM
Post by: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:16:43 AM
Sorry, hibernated on the women when the men made the tournament. I'm trying to catch up on what everyone has said.
I'm definitely pulling for the Stouters. They gave UW-L 3 of their 8 losses and were really the only team that owned UW-L this year. Should be fun next year though.
I'm also rooting because, and I may be in the minority here, but I think by the end of the year there were four WIAC teams that would have done well in the NCAA's. I know some teams lost some games in non-conference early but they were "toughened" up late. I think Oshkosh and UW-L could have a won at least one in the tourney and Point I'm not positive on cause I didn't see them without Kranz. Obviously it all comes down to matchups but I don't think the league was that far down from what people think. Hopefully Stout will keep proving that.
Also noticed some All-Conference talk a few pages back. Awesome honor for Hunter at UWL. Doesn't that seem somewhat amazing that it's 11 years for a frosh first teamer? How about impact? I know everyone spent all year talking about EC's freshmen class but UWL's 2009 group is every bit as good. They add another to that class with the medical redshirt of a nice post that played a last season but tore her ACL. Now the challenge is having them all become seniors some day.
I'm definitely pulling for the Stouters. They gave UW-L 3 of their 8 losses and were really the only team that owned UW-L this year. Should be fun next year though.
I'm also rooting because, and I may be in the minority here, but I think by the end of the year there were four WIAC teams that would have done well in the NCAA's. I know some teams lost some games in non-conference early but they were "toughened" up late. I think Oshkosh and UW-L could have a won at least one in the tourney and Point I'm not positive on cause I didn't see them without Kranz. Obviously it all comes down to matchups but I don't think the league was that far down from what people think. Hopefully Stout will keep proving that.
Also noticed some All-Conference talk a few pages back. Awesome honor for Hunter at UWL. Doesn't that seem somewhat amazing that it's 11 years for a frosh first teamer? How about impact? I know everyone spent all year talking about EC's freshmen class but UWL's 2009 group is every bit as good. They add another to that class with the medical redshirt of a nice post that played a last season but tore her ACL. Now the challenge is having them all become seniors some day.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:19:36 AM
Post by: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:19:36 AM
Oh yeah. Forgot.
gulp!
Go Stout!
gulp!
Go Stout!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 08, 2006, 07:54:45 AM
Post by: BDB on March 08, 2006, 07:54:45 AM
Quote from: voft on March 07, 2006, 08:56:10 PM
How many other WIAC fans are rooting for Stout? Just curious.
Thanks buf and billys. :)
I remember when the Warhawks were in the football playoffs and all the BlueDevils were rooting for them.
Go WIAC and go BlueDevils!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 08, 2006, 08:59:49 AM
Post by: stoutguy on March 08, 2006, 08:59:49 AM
Thanks, WIAC guys for the support. I too, got kind of out of the women's loop when I was covering the men during their tournament. Let me throw in another, "What kind of a guy is Mark Thomas". WMEQ radio did not know if they could afford to send two radio guys to Washington as it is very expensive. I was going to do the boys sectional (Menomonie/ECM). Mark Thomas asked me if I wanted to go West with his team. He said he would make some phone calls. Guess what. All of a sudden WMEQ calls and says I am going West. Mark Thomas (and WMEQ) are a class act. The things that are happening in athletics right now at Stout are fun to be a part of. I have been a Menomonie High School guy all my life, but this Stout thing is a growing, thriving, exciting thing to be a part of and I think it is only going to get better. GO BLUEDEVILS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: billys on March 08, 2006, 12:16:43 AMI'm also rooting because, and I may be in the minority here, but I think by the end of the year there were four WIAC teams that would have done well in the NCAA's.
You may be in the minority - but I am in agreement with you, and posted the same on MIAC forum here.
This is the MIAC post:
QuoteDefinitely a disappointing night last night for the MIAC. I wasn't that surprised that Simpson held off CSB on their home floor. But I definitely expected more out of Concordia, even if it was this team's first trip to the dance. 61-37? OUCH! I mean, I knew Stout was a quality team and all but still. Is the WIAC that good or is the MIAC that bad?
And this was my response:
QuoteI'd like to suggest that the WIAC is just that good.
We have three other WIAC teams that are good enough to have been playing this weekend - Stevens Point, Oshkosh and LaCrosse.
I truly believe that any of those teams would have given Simpson a run for their money on Simpson's home court last night. Not saying that they'd have all won, but they would have been very competitive games.
Concordia is a young team - they could very well be back next year and go deeper in the Tournament!
From a recent St. Ben's fans post on the MIAC forum:
QuoteIt was actually a really fun game and the crowd was loud and really into it. Almost one whole side of the gym was full of students who stood and screamed and yelled the whole game. It made for a fun playoff atmosphere and I'm sure it energized the Storm --- it was a great home court advantage and atmosphere.
The crowd was 950 on Friday night, and that included folks that stayed to watch the second game. Saturday, with Simpson playing on their home court for the right to move on to the Sectionals, the attendance was only 650 - and that was with Simpson offering upto 500 free tickets for the Simpson students...
I'd be interested what the St. Ben's fan would think of playing at Johnson Field House in front of 1 - 2,000 WIAC fans. Of course, all WIAC fans just sit and watch the game and never cheer.... ;D
Instead of a crowd of 650 for the game last Saturday, I wouldn't have been surprised to see 2,000+ in the stands. Now that would be a "great home court advantage".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 09:17:50 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 09:17:50 AM
Great news SG!!!
When I saw you Monday night and you said you wouldn't be making the trip, I was really disappointed - both for you and myself.
I really like your part of the radio feed, and for a game of this magnitude, I truly felt you should be part of it.
I really hope you have a great weekend in Tacoma!!!
Of course, if you have a great weekend, I'll have one too!
When I saw you Monday night and you said you wouldn't be making the trip, I was really disappointed - both for you and myself.
I really like your part of the radio feed, and for a game of this magnitude, I truly felt you should be part of it.
I really hope you have a great weekend in Tacoma!!!
Of course, if you have a great weekend, I'll have one too!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2006, 02:03:14 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2006, 02:03:14 PM
bllys-
I think more were talking about EC's freshman class because they logged the most minutes of any team, and 5 got significant playing time in pretty much every game. Also there are probably more EC posters than Lax posters on this site. Lax definately has a good class, along with WW.
Champ-
I am sure Stout would have sold out if at Johnson Fieldhouse. EC sold out their 2nd round games about 5-6 years ago. Isn't is ashame that some schools who get the opportunity to host a sectional can only fill their stands half-full?
I think more were talking about EC's freshman class because they logged the most minutes of any team, and 5 got significant playing time in pretty much every game. Also there are probably more EC posters than Lax posters on this site. Lax definately has a good class, along with WW.
Champ-
I am sure Stout would have sold out if at Johnson Fieldhouse. EC sold out their 2nd round games about 5-6 years ago. Isn't is ashame that some schools who get the opportunity to host a sectional can only fill their stands half-full?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
Opera is big at Simpson, so that may have created some claim on students. I know the restaurant we ate at Friday was setting up buffet tables, and i assumed it might be for basketball people after the game. It was hors d'oeuvres for the opera people from Simpson. I suppose it would have been pizza if it had been basketball players.
I was very aware of the impact the Simpson student support Friday night; I think they were there quite heavily Saturday, as well, filling the far side of the gym. I thought they did a lot to help the team; perhaps they fed off each other. In fact, I was so aware of the students, I really hoped not to face them Saturday night. St Bens might have looked like the stronger team on paper, but Simpson had all the elements working for it: raucous crowd included.
Could Stout have had a bigger win without the crowd? I wonder about that. Or, did Stout have the win it had, because of the group that followed them to Indianola? There was a sizeable contingent rooting for Stout Friday and Saturday.
I'm sure the refs are quite grateful for our help, too.
I was very aware of the impact the Simpson student support Friday night; I think they were there quite heavily Saturday, as well, filling the far side of the gym. I thought they did a lot to help the team; perhaps they fed off each other. In fact, I was so aware of the students, I really hoped not to face them Saturday night. St Bens might have looked like the stronger team on paper, but Simpson had all the elements working for it: raucous crowd included.
Could Stout have had a bigger win without the crowd? I wonder about that. Or, did Stout have the win it had, because of the group that followed them to Indianola? There was a sizeable contingent rooting for Stout Friday and Saturday.
I'm sure the refs are quite grateful for our help, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 07:04:33 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: buf on March 08, 2006, 02:03:14 PM
Champ-
I am sure Stout would have sold out if at Johnson Fieldhouse. EC sold out their 2nd round games about 5-6 years ago. Isn't is ashame that some schools who get the opportunity to host a sectional can only fill their stands half-full?
In Simpson's defense, at 650 attendance on Saturday night, the field house was more than half full. But there was a substantial showing of UW Stout fans to accomplish that.
Of course, the Simpson website claims that the capacity is 3,000... ::)
I did a quick calculation by counting the seats in my section, and I'd estimate actual seating capacity at about 1200.
Now D3 hoops website claims a capacity of 2200 for Stout, and the season opener against UWEC we had 2076 in attendance.
For reference, Simpson never had a home game that exceeded 1,000 this past year.
Concordia's attendance for the MIAC Championship game was 353 and they averaged 230 for the season.
St. Bens - well they don't publish the attendance for their home games - but for the average attendance for road games was (including the game at Simpson) 304.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 07:14:14 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2006, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
I'm sure the refs are quite grateful for our help, too.
LOL...
I was quiet and demure, but I do believe you lived up to your board handle... :o
As you know, I wasn't there for Friday night. But considering there were probably far less than 100 St. Ben's fans in attendance, It most likely appeared that only Simpson fans were in attendance.
As you noted, there was a very respectable Stout fan section. And we don't mind getting up to cheer on occassion... ;D
Have to give our Cheer and Stunt Squad credit. They really worked our crowd to cheer, and they actually did something during the timeouts. It was interesting watching the Simpson Cheerleaders watch our group do their lifts... 8)
All in all, a good weekend for the team.
I just talked to Coach T as he was riding up to the airport - he said everyone is healthy, so I told him just to go out there and play their game!
The should be somewhere over the Dakotas right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 07:17:41 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 08, 2006, 07:17:41 PM
When I contacted the Simpson sports info director about advance tickets, he said the place seated 1300+ as explanation for not selling tickets ahead of time. Apparently, 1300 seemed adequate to accommodate any crowd. And, of course, in the end it was. I asked the same thing of the PLU SID, and he said they seat 3,200, so there's no need to sell advance tickets. I imagine he's right since teams are coming from Texas, Wisconsin and Virginia--teams pretty much represent the four 'corners' of the country. Unless people are planning to vacation in Washington for spring break, there are not likely to be enough people to pack the gym.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 09, 2006, 01:48:05 PM
Post by: buf on March 09, 2006, 01:48:05 PM
It will be an interesting game tomorrow that Stout has with Randolph Macon. Macon has some size that could potentially give Duoss some fits. I assume however that Duoss is more athletic than the Macon bigs. Another good battle will be between Silva and Hendricks, provided that they will be matched up together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: MajorStoutFan on March 09, 2006, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: MajorStoutFan on March 09, 2006, 02:09:29 PM
Wow, so love reading about the Lady Blue Devils! First time I have posted though. Just want to say, not only does Coach T have passion, but those girls play with all heart. We love the team and wish we could follow them this weekend too (loved Iowa!!) I expect the girls will have a tough game on Friday, but they have the right mental attitude and with this group of girls, they have the passion to "get it done". Molly won't give up ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2006, 06:25:08 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2006, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: buf on March 09, 2006, 01:48:05 PM
It will be an interesting game tomorrow that Stout has with Randolph Macon. Macon has some size that could potentially give Duoss some fits. I assume however that Duoss is more athletic than the Macon bigs. Another good battle will be between Silva and Hendricks, provided that they will be matched up together.
I think the key is to hold Silva to her average # of points, and then shut down the rest of the team. Silva is a great player, and great players aren't shut down.
But if we can turn her into their only weapon, I think we can get the result we want - another Stout "W".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 10, 2006, 09:56:46 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 10, 2006, 09:56:46 AM
Temps in Washington: VERY cold (37 degrees? :-\) and traffic is a mess, according to morning news. I didn't expect this kind of response to cold and snow in this state; Florida, yes; Washington, no.
A bunch of guys in the lobby--looks like a golf team from Louis and Clark College. Courses should be open today. Unfortunately, they can't get out of here. Cell phones are all tied up; nobody seems to be at the courses to answer phones. Golfing in March! 8) Who'dathunk?
Anyway, weather seems to have picked up where Iowa left off. Same old, same old. That bodes well for the Blue Devil women...
A bunch of guys in the lobby--looks like a golf team from Louis and Clark College. Courses should be open today. Unfortunately, they can't get out of here. Cell phones are all tied up; nobody seems to be at the courses to answer phones. Golfing in March! 8) Who'dathunk?
Anyway, weather seems to have picked up where Iowa left off. Same old, same old. That bodes well for the Blue Devil women...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
Quote from: foul_language on March 10, 2006, 09:56:46 AM
Anyway, weather seems to have picked up where Iowa left off. Same old, same old. That bodes well for the Blue Devil women...
Cheer for The Champ's while your out there!!! Listen hard, you just might be able to hear Mrs. Champ and I cheering while listening over the internet!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:00:59 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:00:59 PM
Champ-
Are you listening to the Stout game? My feed has the Memorial vs Menomonie game. Its almost over, so I assume they will join the women's game in progress???
Are you listening to the Stout game? My feed has the Memorial vs Menomonie game. Its almost over, so I assume they will join the women's game in progress???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:05:24 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:05:24 PM
Same thing here buf...
Hoping that they'll get the Stout game on soon. Why are they advertising this for the only web broadcast of the game (Randolph Macons website also lists the feed)... >:(
Hoping that they'll get the Stout game on soon. Why are they advertising this for the only web broadcast of the game (Randolph Macons website also lists the feed)... >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:12:35 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:12:35 PM
Champ and Buf -
The game's on 106.7 FM. Stout's up by a couple
The game's on 106.7 FM. Stout's up by a couple
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:18:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:18:08 PM
Thanks Rico-
I'm in EC and can get enough radio wave to barely hear it (over the static), but its better than nothing. Thanks again!
I see the live stats that were advertised are not working either on the PLU website.
I'm in EC and can get enough radio wave to barely hear it (over the static), but its better than nothing. Thanks again!
I see the live stats that were advertised are not working either on the PLU website.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:18:36 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:18:36 PM
Stout's offense struggling... down 18 -12 at about the 11 minute mark
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:19:44 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:19:44 PM
20-12 RMC 9min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:18:36 PM
Stout's offense struggling... down 18 -12 at about the 11 minute mark
Thanks Rico!
Please keep posting the scores until WMEQ gets the game on!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:21:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:21:38 PM
26-12 RMC What's happening?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:22:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:22:38 PM
Sounds like the big gal (Orton) is killing Stout, according to the announcers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:23:41 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:23:41 PM
Duoss ends the RMC run. 26-14 7min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:28:59 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:28:59 PM
5:40 Stout down by 16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:35:32 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:35:32 PM
Stout is still down big. Stout announcers say they are getting good shots, but just not hitting them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:36:22 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:36:22 PM
31-15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:37:46 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:37:46 PM
38-16 2min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
Thanks for keeping the updates coming buf.
I can't believe that WMEQ has not started the internet feed yet - they are still doing the post game wrap up for the HS game... >:( >:( >:(
I can't believe that WMEQ has not started the internet feed yet - they are still doing the post game wrap up for the HS game... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:39:32 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:39:32 PM
40-18. Now Silva killing them
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:41:23 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:41:23 PM
44-20 Half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:43:15 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:43:15 PM
Maybe Stout can pull off what Millikin did to them last year. If so, they better make an early run in the 2nd. As the minutes tick away in the 2nd, Duoss will become less and less of a factor, if they are down by double digits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:45:59 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:45:59 PM
Painful to listen to... not sure if this politically correct, but this Silva must be a STUD!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:47:38 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:47:38 PM
Buf -
I was at the Millikin game last year. I was having the same thought... hopefully, we can turn the table QUICKLY!!!!
I was at the Millikin game last year. I was having the same thought... hopefully, we can turn the table QUICKLY!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:48:47 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:48:47 PM
I sure hope so buf...
I would hate to end the season with a blowout loss. Right now I'm putting the blame on WMEQ for not providing the feed.
I've already emailed the GM at WMEQ and let him know that there were people all over the country depending on this feed.
I would hate to end the season with a blowout loss. Right now I'm putting the blame on WMEQ for not providing the feed.
I've already emailed the GM at WMEQ and let him know that there were people all over the country depending on this feed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:49:53 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:49:53 PM
Finally, Jake and Schrantzy!!!
50 minutes late... >:( >:( >:(
50 minutes late... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:53:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:53:24 PM
Rico
I believe I read that Silva is the leading scorer in D3. Something like 22-24pts/game.
I believe I read that Silva is the leading scorer in D3. Something like 22-24pts/game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:56:55 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:53:24 PM
Rico
I believe I read that Silva is the leading scorer in D3. Something like 22-24pts/game.
She is the leading scorer, and it was announced today that she is the Josten's Award winner - which if I understand correctly is the D3 Women's Player of the Year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:58:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 09:58:43 PM
I looked it up, she averages 23pts/game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:01:09 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:01:09 PM
Well, it sounds like we're playing much better now!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:04:55 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:04:55 PM
46-33, Stout on a big run
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:14:02 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:14:02 PM
Stout down now 60-34. WOW!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:32:26 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:32:26 PM
Stout on a huge run 67-57 4:30
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:33:02 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:33:02 PM
67 - 57 now. Stout's making a strong run, and there's still time!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:34:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:34:01 PM
make that 67 - 56... The officials changed it too a 2 pointer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:38:12 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:38:12 PM
70 - 62
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:41:28 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:41:28 PM
72-67 after a Bird 3, 1:20. Still hope
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:44:34 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:44:34 PM
73 - 69 Duoss with a pair of FT's
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:51:54 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2006, 10:51:54 PM
Congrats on a great season for Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:53:18 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 10:53:18 PM
Have to give the UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils credit, as they fought to the end.
Molly, Steph, "Luck" and Brit - Thanks for 4 years of dedication to the program!
Molly, Steph, "Luck" and Brit - Thanks for 4 years of dedication to the program!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2006, 11:09:24 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2006, 11:09:24 PM
Sounds like the Blue Devils went down fighting... Congrats on a fine season... Not many can say they have been to the Sweet 16 two straight years...
Thanks for representing the WIAC well the last two years, ladies...
Thanks for representing the WIAC well the last two years, ladies...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: GAVA on March 10, 2006, 11:21:39 PM
Post by: GAVA on March 10, 2006, 11:21:39 PM
Quote from: Rico 21 on March 10, 2006, 09:45:59 PM
Painful to listen to... not sure if this politically correct, but this Silva must be a STUD!
Just the opposite actually. Listed at 5'6", she appears smaller and younger, but she is magic on the court.
A kid who obviously could have played D I ball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 11:29:06 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: GAVA A kid who obviously could have played D I ball.
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I really wish she had... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 11, 2006, 12:50:21 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 11, 2006, 12:50:21 AM
Silva is everything they said; whatever she put up went in. Strong inside presence, but that probably didn't doom Stout. It was Silva's game all the way. Of course, we helped: missed lots of shots.
I'm behind R-M the rest of the way. Good showing for Stout at the PLU gym. Didn't appear to be any bigger than the Simpson gym; I'm not sure how they might seat 3,200. Stacked?
I'm behind R-M the rest of the way. Good showing for Stout at the PLU gym. Didn't appear to be any bigger than the Simpson gym; I'm not sure how they might seat 3,200. Stacked?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2006, 12:53:04 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2006, 12:53:04 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 10, 2006, 11:29:06 PMQuote from: GAVA A kid who obviously could have played D I ball.
quote]
I really wish she had... ;)
I say the same thing about Duoss.....
....wait......she did.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 11, 2006, 09:53:42 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 11, 2006, 09:53:42 AM
Hat's off to R-M! Hopefully, they'll carry it through to the championship. Stout women played with the desire and heart they've displayed throughout the year... way to hang in there and make a game out of it! Sincere congratulations to Coach T and staff... and especially to the women Bluedevils!!
Thanks to our 4 seniors for 4 years of dedication. We'll miss you!
...when does next season begin????
Thanks to our 4 seniors for 4 years of dedication. We'll miss you!
...when does next season begin????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 12, 2006, 08:29:17 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 12, 2006, 08:29:17 AM
FWIW - Last night's results:
Hardin-Simmons 72, Randolph-Macon 56
Hope 76, DePauw 60
Scranton 50, Baldwin-Wallace 41
Southern Maine 56, Bowdoin 53
From what I read, Orton and Morusman had 4 fouls in the first half of the Hardin Simmons/Randolph Macon game. With those two in limited action from there out, Silva was limited to 19 points.
Good luck to the Final Four teams.
Wish we could be making the trip to Springfield...
Hardin-Simmons 72, Randolph-Macon 56
Hope 76, DePauw 60
Scranton 50, Baldwin-Wallace 41
Southern Maine 56, Bowdoin 53
From what I read, Orton and Morusman had 4 fouls in the first half of the Hardin Simmons/Randolph Macon game. With those two in limited action from there out, Silva was limited to 19 points.
Good luck to the Final Four teams.
Wish we could be making the trip to Springfield...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2006, 11:02:33 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2006, 11:02:33 AM
Silva must have had all her points in the first half; saw her make, possibly, 3 in the second. Couldn't hit the basket with a funnel. H-S looked like Friday night's R-M and R-M looked like Friday night's Stout. Of course, that was second half. Didn't see the first.
I see the sun; it's hazy, but I'm sure that's what it is.
I see the sun; it's hazy, but I'm sure that's what it is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:16:25 PM
Post by: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:16:25 PM
I was following the "live stats" for the game last night. Orton picked up 2 quick fouls, and it looked like she sat the rest of the half. When starting the 2nd, she scored 10 points in the first 4min or so. RMC was down 10 at half, but made a quick run to go up by 1 with 15min or so left. HS grabbed the lead back and had the game in control for the rest of the game. Silva was only 7-23 from the field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:36:59 PM
Post by: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: voft on February 22, 2006, 12:18:51 AM
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?
Kim Stokke (Menomonie) to Stout
6'0" Samantha Mayer (Bloomer) to Stout
The next 60 to come at a later date ;D
5'6" Krystal Parr (Bloomer) to River Falls over Stout. In a newspaper article she said, "I would have gone to Stout, but they have like 20 guards."
5'11" J. Lindner (Neillsville) to UWEC. She played in the state tourney this past weekend.
Any other recruiting info???
Anyone go to the state tourney???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2006, 12:21:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2006, 12:21:43 PM
I was at the state tournament and saw every team play at least once. There were some nice players but overall the talent level was not as good as past tournaments. Most of the games were boring blow outs or if they were close it was because both teams were turning the ball over constantly or neither could shoot to save their souls.
However my wife is a teacher at Waterford so she was excited to see them make it to the championship game. Then, with victory within their grasp, the best point guard at the state tournament turns the ball over and they lose.
However my wife is a teacher at Waterford so she was excited to see them make it to the championship game. Then, with victory within their grasp, the best point guard at the state tournament turns the ball over and they lose.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 20, 2006, 07:57:25 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 20, 2006, 07:57:25 PM
What does next year look like?
Stout loses Molly Hendricks, Steph Nemitz, Sarah Miles, Brit Evert.
Stout keeps Kelsey Duoss and the Geisslers, among others.
And recruits.
Stout loses Molly Hendricks, Steph Nemitz, Sarah Miles, Brit Evert.
Stout keeps Kelsey Duoss and the Geisslers, among others.
And recruits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on March 21, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on March 21, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
I am not 100% about this but I would believe that La Crosse will be the only team not losing any players. That should play a big role in confrence play next year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 21, 2006, 06:00:52 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 21, 2006, 06:00:52 PM
What does Oshkosh look like? Stevens Point had many young players, I thought.
LaCrosse will be impressive if they not only have everyone coming back but also have a year of playing together; Eau Claire was very young this year.
LaCrosse will be impressive if they not only have everyone coming back but also have a year of playing together; Eau Claire was very young this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 21, 2006, 10:59:58 PM
Post by: billys on March 21, 2006, 10:59:58 PM
A couple people ran this on the guys board so I'll throw them out. They will definitely change are there's more news on recruits and newcomers. Based only on what current teams have coming back, my picks would be something like this.
Stout
La Crosse
River Falls
Point
EC
Whitewater
Oshkosh
Platteville
Superior
Stout has to be the favorite although losing Molly could be huge. Toughness and leadership alone.
2-5 is very tough. La Crosse has everyone back and adds an injured post player. Plus as FL said, they've all played together a year. River Falls is often forgotten but they would probably have finished third without the injury to their their best player.Point will finish better than fourth I think, I just don't know where to put them with the loss of Schultz. Wouldn't surprise me if their tradition got them second. Eau Claire was young but they still may have to get over the hump with some of these kids. Still weird they made their run when Burns got hurt.
WW returns basically all but one player and will be dangerous. Oshkosh and Platteville suffered the most senior losses and will have to regroup a bit. Superior is Superior. By the way, did they get a coach yet.
At any rate, they will all probably change when the names of recruits come out. Haven't heard about any kids to La Crosse yet. I'll have to see what I can dig up.
Stout
La Crosse
River Falls
Point
EC
Whitewater
Oshkosh
Platteville
Superior
Stout has to be the favorite although losing Molly could be huge. Toughness and leadership alone.
2-5 is very tough. La Crosse has everyone back and adds an injured post player. Plus as FL said, they've all played together a year. River Falls is often forgotten but they would probably have finished third without the injury to their their best player.Point will finish better than fourth I think, I just don't know where to put them with the loss of Schultz. Wouldn't surprise me if their tradition got them second. Eau Claire was young but they still may have to get over the hump with some of these kids. Still weird they made their run when Burns got hurt.
WW returns basically all but one player and will be dangerous. Oshkosh and Platteville suffered the most senior losses and will have to regroup a bit. Superior is Superior. By the way, did they get a coach yet.
At any rate, they will all probably change when the names of recruits come out. Haven't heard about any kids to La Crosse yet. I'll have to see what I can dig up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 21, 2006, 11:35:26 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 21, 2006, 11:35:26 PM
Re:Superior. I heard, on the D3 boards by the way, that they hired a men's coach. Odd the school hasn't released anything, but then they didn't report the women's coach's resignation until about two months later or more. I know they have had interviews, but there's absolutely no talk where I am.
Still, they have a recruiting deficit, so even with outstanding coaches, they'll have to pull together teams from what they have or what they can drum up between now and August.
Having LaCrosse's post return to the line up might actually create some initial chaos, but I suspect that will get ironed out in the preseason. Platteville is always tough but has trouble sustaining it throughout the season. I suppose that reflects more on the parity of the conference than an individual team, because all of the schools seem to have peaks and valleys when you least expect them.
It's tough waiting until next season to see how it will unfold.
Still, they have a recruiting deficit, so even with outstanding coaches, they'll have to pull together teams from what they have or what they can drum up between now and August.
Having LaCrosse's post return to the line up might actually create some initial chaos, but I suspect that will get ironed out in the preseason. Platteville is always tough but has trouble sustaining it throughout the season. I suppose that reflects more on the parity of the conference than an individual team, because all of the schools seem to have peaks and valleys when you least expect them.
It's tough waiting until next season to see how it will unfold.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 23, 2006, 04:25:22 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 23, 2006, 04:25:22 PM
In an absolutely unprecedented show of unnecessary hoopla, UW-Superior announced today that the athletic director will hold a press conference Monday to announce the new men's basketball coach. :o That's like a warning that there will be a warning coming out.
No word on the women's coach; haven't seen anything since the search committee(s) invited people in to listen to presentations by two candidates. Bush would be proud of such security.
Security is heightened by apathy: no leaks if no one is listening to the information.
No word on the women's coach; haven't seen anything since the search committee(s) invited people in to listen to presentations by two candidates. Bush would be proud of such security.
Security is heightened by apathy: no leaks if no one is listening to the information.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 26, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
Post by: buf on March 26, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
Leader Telegram 1st and 2nd Team Girls All Northwest:
1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs. Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs. To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs. To Stout
2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout?? A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout.
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U
1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs. Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs. To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs. To Stout
2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout?? A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout.
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on March 29, 2006, 01:20:25 AM
Post by: BuckyC on March 29, 2006, 01:20:25 AM
Quote from: buf on March 12, 2006, 03:36:59 PMQuote from: voft on February 22, 2006, 12:18:51 AM
How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?
Kim Stokke (Menomonie) to Stout
6'0" Samantha Mayer (Bloomer) to Stout
The next 60 to come at a later date ;D
5'6" Krystal Parr (Bloomer) to River Falls over Stout. In a newspaper article she said, "I would have gone to Stout, but they have like 20 guards."
5'11" J. Lindner (Neillsville) to UWEC. She played in the state tourney this past weekend.
Any other recruiting info???
Anyone go to the state tourney???
Are you sure Krystal Parr is going to UWRF? The Leader-Telegram last Sunday said she was going to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 29, 2006, 12:52:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 29, 2006, 12:52:49 PM
UWS hired a UW-Parkside assistant coach (Dave Buchanen?) to head men's basketball and, at the same time, announced it had hired a women's coach, but wouldn't reveal that name until Friday, 31 March. I haven't even heard speculation on who that is. Perhaps someone in the DIII hoops network already knows and could shed some light on the subject.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on March 29, 2006, 01:48:07 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on March 29, 2006, 01:48:07 PM
Are you sure Krystal Parr is going to UWRF? The Leader-Telegram last Sunday said she was going to Stout.
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From what I have heard, Krystal Parr was not even recruited by Stout
and
Sam Mayer will be playing basketball at Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 29, 2006, 01:57:01 PM
Post by: buf on March 29, 2006, 01:57:01 PM
Bucky C-
I metioned this in my quoted post, just before your post!
Perhaps the L-T got Parr mixed up with Mayer since they both played at Bloomer. Who knows??? I guess we will find out next fall.
Quote from: buf on March 26, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
Leader Telegram 1st and 2nd Team Girls All Northwest:
1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs. Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs. To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs. To Stout
2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout?? A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout.
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U
I metioned this in my quoted post, just before your post!
Perhaps the L-T got Parr mixed up with Mayer since they both played at Bloomer. Who knows??? I guess we will find out next fall.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 31, 2006, 11:36:29 AM
Post by: billys on March 31, 2006, 11:36:29 AM
Any word out of UW-Superior yet?
As far as recruits go I have heard very little here at La Crosse.
There's a shooter from Stevens Point whose first name is Sara that I believe is coming here next year.
As far as recruits go I have heard very little here at La Crosse.
There's a shooter from Stevens Point whose first name is Sara that I believe is coming here next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 31, 2006, 11:42:39 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 31, 2006, 11:42:39 AM
Women's coach: Don Mulhern, most recently from Rockford College. Did some significant stuff at MacMurray in early 90s. Assistant at UW-LaCrosse, must have been when he was working on his masters.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 31, 2006, 01:55:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 31, 2006, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: buf on March 29, 2006, 01:57:01 PM
Bucky C-Quote from: buf on March 26, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
Leader Telegram 1st and 2nd Team Girls All Northwest:
1st Team
Monica Mayry (Chippewa Falls)- To Minnesota Duluth (D2)
Katie Cheline (Mondovi)- To Minnesota Crookston (D2)
Kelsie Flanscha (River Falls)- 6'0", 16.5pts, 10.8rebs. Probably to Minnesota Mankato (D2) or maybe River Falls.
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'10", 12.5pts, 6.9rebs. To UWEC
Kim Stokke (Menomonie)- 5'10", 15.7pts, 6.7rebs. To Stout
2nd Team
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10", 15.3pts, 7.1rebs. To UWEC
Karlene Elwanger (Flambeau)- 6'0", 11.5pts, 5.3rebs. To MSOE
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0", 17.2pts, 9.3rebs. To UWEC
Krystal Parr (Bloomer)- 5'6", 13.2pts, 68 3s. To Stout?? A few weeks back the Leader Telegram had her going to River Falls, now they say Stout.
Hannah Smith (Rice Lake)- 5'9", 13.4pts, 6rebs. To St. Norbert or Wash U
I metioned this in my quoted post, just before your post!
Perhaps the L-T got Parr mixed up with Mayer since they both played at Bloomer. Who knows??? I guess we will find out next fall.
Last night, WEAU news said Parr was going to River Falls. The L-T must have made a mistake.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 31, 2006, 02:18:35 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 31, 2006, 02:18:35 PM
Perhaps krystal parr is actually going to LaCrosse but wants to keep the HWY 29 wires clicking. Or, maybe she's going to Stout and River Falls to get a double major in agriculture and fashion design--making fabric out of corn or creating outerwear for cattle--to protect against those long cold winters in...Canada (Udderly North Designs?).
If she's smart, she'll go to UW-Superior with new coaches, a new building and a whole new attitood, dood!
New motto: next year we're going to win some WIAC games.
If she's smart, she'll go to UW-Superior with new coaches, a new building and a whole new attitood, dood!
New motto: next year we're going to win some WIAC games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on April 12, 2006, 01:33:14 PM
Post by: BuckyC on April 12, 2006, 01:33:14 PM
Krystall Parr is definatly going to UWRF.
Other news........Ellie Bailey from Chetek is going to UWEC after turning down a scholarship offer from Mankato State.
Other news........Ellie Bailey from Chetek is going to UWEC after turning down a scholarship offer from Mankato State.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 12, 2006, 07:50:54 PM
Post by: buf on May 12, 2006, 07:50:54 PM
For the 1st time in about a month..... some WIAC news!
I took a look at UWEC's 06'-07' schedule. Once again Englund has put together a challenging non-conference schedule.
Hope Tip Off Tourney: Hope is defending champs
EC Thanksgiving Tourney: Teams include Viterbo, Morningside, and Otterbein. Morningside has been a good NAIA team, winning back to back championships a couple years ago. They also defeated EC at Zorn the year after the Blugolds went to the Final Four.
At St. Cloud State: A D2 team that made the Elite 8 this past year. They also beat Stout by 17 this past year.
At Carroll College: A tough MWC team this past year. They beat UWO and Point. EC made a late comeback at Zorn last year to give Carroll there first loss of the season.
Trinity Holiday Tourney: Trinity won the championship a few years ago and are always one of the best South region teams.
From looking at the conference schedule, it seems that the teams will be playing their opponents in the same sequence as last year, with the only difference being reversed home court. For example, UWEC played Stout for their first conference game last year at Zorn. They play Stout first this year too, but AT Stout
I took a look at UWEC's 06'-07' schedule. Once again Englund has put together a challenging non-conference schedule.
Hope Tip Off Tourney: Hope is defending champs
EC Thanksgiving Tourney: Teams include Viterbo, Morningside, and Otterbein. Morningside has been a good NAIA team, winning back to back championships a couple years ago. They also defeated EC at Zorn the year after the Blugolds went to the Final Four.
At St. Cloud State: A D2 team that made the Elite 8 this past year. They also beat Stout by 17 this past year.
At Carroll College: A tough MWC team this past year. They beat UWO and Point. EC made a late comeback at Zorn last year to give Carroll there first loss of the season.
Trinity Holiday Tourney: Trinity won the championship a few years ago and are always one of the best South region teams.
From looking at the conference schedule, it seems that the teams will be playing their opponents in the same sequence as last year, with the only difference being reversed home court. For example, UWEC played Stout for their first conference game last year at Zorn. They play Stout first this year too, but AT Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 16, 2006, 11:52:03 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 16, 2006, 11:52:03 AM
WARHAWKS[/color] announce recruiting class....
http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm
It includes a transfer from UW-EC, Lana Marjanovic.
http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm
It includes a transfer from UW-EC, Lana Marjanovic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 16, 2006, 06:40:38 PM
Post by: billys on May 16, 2006, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 16, 2006, 11:52:03 AM
WARHAWKS[/color] announce recruiting class....
http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm
It includes a transfer from UW-EC, Lana Marjanovic.
I remember Marjanovic from a few years ago when La Crosse was recruiting her. Good size. Looks like WW added a lot of size.
They must also have some girls not coming back considering they have 18 on the roster and lost just one senior. Not atypical of D3 hoops I guess.
Also found it interesting that they said the Morton girl helped lead Milwaukee to a 23-10 record considering she only played an average of 4 minutes in 7 games.
Keep 'em coming! I'm anxious to see what Eau Claire has for a complete class and what Oshkosh is doing to replace their huge losses. From what I hear in La Crosse, small class with a really nice D2 transfer. Last year they released their big group about this time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeagles on May 21, 2006, 11:42:34 AM
Post by: laxeagles on May 21, 2006, 11:42:34 AM
Got some more recriuting news... this time out of
La Crosse
http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/
La Crosse
http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 21, 2006, 10:03:07 PM
Post by: buf on May 21, 2006, 10:03:07 PM
Anyone know why Liz Buttke transferred? She is a good pickup for UWL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 22, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
Post by: billys on May 22, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
Someone beat me to the post of the release.
Looks like another decent class; and they did need to add more perimeter shooting. But wow, adding a player like Buttke to last year's freshman class, along with the post that was hurt and redshirted. The future, and present, is bright for them. I have some buddies from her hometown (including the LaX assistant) that say she's the real deal. Never seen her play; I'll see if there's any "story" to the transfer. For a true freshman to lead a D2 team in scoring (albeit a bad one) she must be able to play.
I'll now argue with anyone who wants to compare last year's EC class with LAX's. Combine that with the good upperclassmen LAX has and I feel like they are a legitimate threat to Stout's supremacy this year. Stout's still the favorite but after doing the addition/subtraction with those two teams, the gap seems a bit smaller. Still though, no 6'3" to match up with Duoss. Even still, from where this program has been, I'm excited to see there appears to be some staying power. We'll see.
BDB- any word on the Stout recruits? They may have to find a frosh or two that can make some impact next year.
Looks like another decent class; and they did need to add more perimeter shooting. But wow, adding a player like Buttke to last year's freshman class, along with the post that was hurt and redshirted. The future, and present, is bright for them. I have some buddies from her hometown (including the LaX assistant) that say she's the real deal. Never seen her play; I'll see if there's any "story" to the transfer. For a true freshman to lead a D2 team in scoring (albeit a bad one) she must be able to play.
I'll now argue with anyone who wants to compare last year's EC class with LAX's. Combine that with the good upperclassmen LAX has and I feel like they are a legitimate threat to Stout's supremacy this year. Stout's still the favorite but after doing the addition/subtraction with those two teams, the gap seems a bit smaller. Still though, no 6'3" to match up with Duoss. Even still, from where this program has been, I'm excited to see there appears to be some staying power. We'll see.
BDB- any word on the Stout recruits? They may have to find a frosh or two that can make some impact next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 22, 2006, 11:13:10 PM
Post by: buf on May 22, 2006, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: billys on May 22, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
any word on the Stout recruits? They may have to find a frosh or two that can make some impact next year.
Kim Stokke (Menomonie) and Samantha Meyer (Bloomer) are the recruits that I have heard of for Stout. Stokke is about 5'10" and would likely play the power forward spot. I think she will have a decent shot at starting. Don't know much about Meyer. She would probably be a center or power forward. Maybe a backup to Duoss.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 31, 2006, 05:46:10 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 31, 2006, 05:46:10 PM
UWSP schedule is out (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/schedule.htm). Only 24 games? Ummm.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2006, 01:48:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2006, 01:48:29 PM
OS,
You linked the Men's Schedule from 2005-06. This is the Women's page. Huh?
You linked the Men's Schedule from 2005-06. This is the Women's page. Huh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 01, 2006, 01:50:14 PM
Post by: buf on June 01, 2006, 01:50:14 PM
With the exception of Wheaton, their non-conference schedule looks pretty easy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2006, 05:07:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2006, 05:07:29 PM
Quote from: Old School on May 31, 2006, 05:46:10 PMI believe that I read the Pointers will be playing UW-Madison in an exhibition game. I can't confirm that yet, however.
UWSP schedule is out (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/schedule.htm). Only 24 games? Ummm.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 02, 2006, 01:12:27 AM
Post by: Bballer on June 02, 2006, 01:12:27 AM
Taking everyone back to UWEC, i hear they have a huge recruiting class coming in next season on top of last years. They recruited a 6'3 center transfer from MATC-madison who i hear to be a good match-up for Duoss from stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on June 03, 2006, 06:49:32 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on June 03, 2006, 06:49:32 PM
here's the schedule out of La Crosse
http://www.uwlax.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/
http://www.uwlax.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 03, 2006, 07:37:05 PM
Post by: buf on June 03, 2006, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Bballer on June 02, 2006, 01:12:27 AM
Taking everyone back to UWEC, i hear they have a huge recruiting class coming in next season on top of last years. They recruited a 6'3 center transfer from MATC-madison who i hear to be a good match-up for Duoss from stout.
I heard back in Feb. that a 6'3" transfer might come to UWEC. I guess at that time she was still deciding where to go. Because of UWEC's lack of proven talent/depth in the center position, I am glad she will be joining UWEC. However, I will have to see her play at least a few games to see if she in fact is a good match up against Duoss. If she is anything like Duoss, I would expect to see EC have a much improved team.
Since it is early June, Englund should be officially announcing her recruiting class soon.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 03, 2006, 07:38:57 PM
Post by: buf on June 03, 2006, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: laxeaglepride on June 03, 2006, 06:49:32 PM
here's the schedule out of La Crosse
http://www.uwlax.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/
WOW, 1st game after transferring, Buttke goes against her former team! Anyone know WHY she transferred?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on June 04, 2006, 07:00:29 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on June 04, 2006, 07:00:29 PM
as riddiculous as this sounds rumor has it, that her boyfriend goes to school at lax
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 05, 2006, 10:53:13 AM
Post by: Just Bill on June 05, 2006, 10:53:13 AM
I have heard of more ridiculous ones than that, but nothing suprises me anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 05, 2006, 01:28:53 PM
Post by: billys on June 05, 2006, 01:28:53 PM
Quote from: laxeaglepride on June 04, 2006, 07:00:29 PM
as riddiculous as this sounds rumor has it, that her boyfriend goes to school at lax
I can't fully dispute that; could be a reason if indeed he does. I have heard though that there are a few other Winona State freshmen transferring following this season. Doubtful they all have boyfriends at their new schools. Being that La Crosse and Winona are a stone's throw away, I would doubt a girl would give up a scholarship to be closer to her boyfriend; then again, maybe not.
It has become somewhat commonplace for kids to go off to "scholarship" schools and end up back in the WIAC. Duoss, Eggers, Amy Scott (I think), Muggenborg, and so on.
They also stunk and La Crosse looks to be up-and-coming, I would have to believe that played a factor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 07, 2006, 12:25:17 PM
Post by: Bballer on June 07, 2006, 12:25:17 PM
Gosh, when are all the recruiting classes coming out, i am anxcious to see who is coming to each school!!!!!!!!! ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 07, 2006, 02:06:16 PM
Post by: buf on June 07, 2006, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: Bballer on June 07, 2006, 12:25:17 PM
Gosh, when are all the recruiting classes coming out, i am anxcious to see who is coming to each school!!!!!!!!! ???
Whitewater's and UWL's recruiting class have came out. Scroll back a page or two and you should find them
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 08, 2006, 06:48:54 PM
Post by: Bballer on June 08, 2006, 06:48:54 PM
River Falls 2006-07 schedule is out!!
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0506/wbb.schedule.2007.html
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0506/wbb.schedule.2007.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 08, 2006, 07:00:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 08, 2006, 07:00:15 PM
Here's an easier route to viewing WW's[/color] recruits....http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/notes.cfm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 18, 2006, 10:44:29 AM
Post by: Bballer on June 18, 2006, 10:44:29 AM
I might be new at this but, should have the recruits come out for all teams. i know WW and LC already but when are the others???????? >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 18, 2006, 06:16:25 PM
Post by: buf on June 18, 2006, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Bballer on June 18, 2006, 10:44:29 AM
I might be new at this but, should have the recruits come out for all teams. i know WW and LC already but when are the others???????? >:(
Some teams might be waiting on the decision of player or two. Also, some teams may not even announce a recruiting class. I would imagine if they are going to announce one, they would do so soon, probably by the end of the month. I know that Englund usually announces her class late May/early June, but has yet to do so this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 18, 2006, 10:00:07 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on June 18, 2006, 10:00:07 PM
some teams also announce players one by one with small press releases
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
I'd be interested in how many people are transferring out of a program--either moving to another or outright quitting. I've heard rumors of one leaving Eau Claire women's team? Will more than one leave?
Any scuttlebutt on transfers from program to program?
Any scuttlebutt on transfers from program to program?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 19, 2006, 02:49:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 19, 2006, 02:49:32 PM
According to WW's[/color] list of recruits Lana Marjanovic is transfering from UW-EC to WHITEWATER[/color]. Though, based on the season's statistics, her playing time was pretty limited there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 03:35:04 PM
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 03:35:04 PM
QuoteThough, based on the season's statistics, her playing time was pretty limited there.
I think that might be the crux of many transfer issues: go to a school based on some understanding about playing time and not meeting expectations. A lot of Eau Claire's bench finally got playing time when injuries wiped out starters and usual back-ups. The mixed bag of having a good team is that it attracts good players; but you can only put five on the court at a time.
Which brings me back to the question about why a good basketball player would go to a school with a stack of good players? I still think the smart good player, who wants to get playing time, will go to a mediocre school and try to make a difference. At least she'll get on the court.
The downside: you may have to get used to losing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 19, 2006, 09:44:04 PM
Post by: buf on June 19, 2006, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 03:35:04 PM
why a good basketball player would go to a school with a stack of good players? I still think the smart good player, who wants to get playing time, will go to a mediocre school and try to make a difference. At least she'll get on the court.
The downside: you may have to get used to losing.
I think a lot has to do with winning. Also a player may attend a certain school (and may not get alot of PT) because of the following reasons:
-They want to play close to home so parents, etc. can come watch them play.
-There is a certain field of study that the school specializes in.
-AND........ their boyfriend attends a certain school so they want to attend the same school. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 09:55:23 PM
Post by: foul_language on June 19, 2006, 09:55:23 PM
Well, of course, there's the boyfriend thing. Who can argue with that? :-\ And staying close enough to home without being too close is certainly important, but Wisconsin isn't that big. If you want a state school, you can live just about anywhere and go to school just about anywhere and not be out of reach.
Then it comes down to 'winning' vs playing. Does a person want to watch a winning team or play basketball? Having watched my daughter watch most of the season (injury), I get the impression that playing beats the bejesus out of watching.
Then it comes down to 'winning' vs playing. Does a person want to watch a winning team or play basketball? Having watched my daughter watch most of the season (injury), I get the impression that playing beats the bejesus out of watching.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 19, 2006, 10:06:22 PM
Post by: buf on June 19, 2006, 10:06:22 PM
UWO's Schedule (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/Schedule.html) is out
Wheaton and St. Norberts are pretty good, but UWO will have them at home. I think their real non-conference test will come on their holiday trip to the West coast when they will play Pacific Lutheran and George Fox, both good teams.
Wheaton and St. Norberts are pretty good, but UWO will have them at home. I think their real non-conference test will come on their holiday trip to the West coast when they will play Pacific Lutheran and George Fox, both good teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 20, 2006, 12:00:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 20, 2006, 12:00:01 PM
WW's[/color] schedule has also been released.
Opening up with a game against Aurora in the Wheaton College Tip-Off the schedule includes nonconference games against Edgewood, Millikin, Luther, University of Chicago, Judson and a nice holiday break in Honolulu.
For the full schedule....http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule.cfm
Opening up with a game against Aurora in the Wheaton College Tip-Off the schedule includes nonconference games against Edgewood, Millikin, Luther, University of Chicago, Judson and a nice holiday break in Honolulu.
For the full schedule....http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule.cfm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on June 26, 2006, 06:48:55 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on June 26, 2006, 06:48:55 PM
That West Coast trip is a killer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 27, 2006, 03:07:57 PM
Post by: buf on June 27, 2006, 03:07:57 PM
This was posted on the men's WIAC board:
A story in the June 17 Capital Times has the rosters for the WBCA All Stars - both men and women, all four divisions, north and south. A total of 80 boys and 80 girls and theur colleges. It lists their high schools and what college they will be attending. It is a pretty complete summary of the recruits for all the WIAC schools. It is at:
http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/preps/index.php?ntid=88020&ntpid=2
Also, Englund announced her recruiting class yesterday, 8 recruits I believe. Later, I should have more info.
A story in the June 17 Capital Times has the rosters for the WBCA All Stars - both men and women, all four divisions, north and south. A total of 80 boys and 80 girls and theur colleges. It lists their high schools and what college they will be attending. It is a pretty complete summary of the recruits for all the WIAC schools. It is at:
http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/preps/index.php?ntid=88020&ntpid=2
Also, Englund announced her recruiting class yesterday, 8 recruits I believe. Later, I should have more info.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 03:30:50 PM
Post by: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 03:30:50 PM
Could it be UW-Stout will have a pared-down roster this year? Or will it just look like that, because other schools are going with 20+?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 28, 2006, 09:38:03 PM
Post by: buf on June 28, 2006, 09:38:03 PM
More on UWEC recruits:
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10" 15.3pts
Missy Fremstad (Osseo-Fairchild)- 5'7" Transfer from Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2), Soph Eligibility
Daidre Green (Marshfield Columbus)- 5'10"
Kali Houselog (St. Mary Central)- 6'0" Transfer from Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2), Jr Eligibility
Kari Kaeding (Chippewa Falls)- 5'10"
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'11" 12.5pts
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0" 17.2pts
Erin Voelker (Portage)- 6'3" Transfer from Madison Area Technical College, Jr Eligibility, 20.5pts, 11.3rebs, 2.5blks at MATC, NJCAA All American.
It will be interesting seeing some of these players. The 2 transfers from Moorhead played off the bench. Voelker put up impressive numbers, but from what I can tell the Junior College division is quite a bit weaker than the D3 level. In fact she only averaged 9pts & 5rebs as a senior in high school on a 2-19 team. Hopefully she has improved quite a bit since then. The high school players look decent, but probably only one or two will have any significant playing time considering UWEC returns almost everyone from last year. My initial impressions are that this recruiting class isn't as talented as last years. But who knows??
Ellie Bailey (Chetek)- 5'10" 15.3pts
Missy Fremstad (Osseo-Fairchild)- 5'7" Transfer from Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2), Soph Eligibility
Daidre Green (Marshfield Columbus)- 5'10"
Kali Houselog (St. Mary Central)- 6'0" Transfer from Minnesota State-Moorhead (D2), Jr Eligibility
Kari Kaeding (Chippewa Falls)- 5'10"
Jodi Linder (Neillsville)- 5'11" 12.5pts
Rachel Lubeck (Durand)- 6'0" 17.2pts
Erin Voelker (Portage)- 6'3" Transfer from Madison Area Technical College, Jr Eligibility, 20.5pts, 11.3rebs, 2.5blks at MATC, NJCAA All American.
It will be interesting seeing some of these players. The 2 transfers from Moorhead played off the bench. Voelker put up impressive numbers, but from what I can tell the Junior College division is quite a bit weaker than the D3 level. In fact she only averaged 9pts & 5rebs as a senior in high school on a 2-19 team. Hopefully she has improved quite a bit since then. The high school players look decent, but probably only one or two will have any significant playing time considering UWEC returns almost everyone from last year. My initial impressions are that this recruiting class isn't as talented as last years. But who knows??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 29, 2006, 01:38:09 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 29, 2006, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: foul_language on June 27, 2006, 03:30:50 PM
Could it be UW-Stout will have a pared-down roster this year? Or will it just look like that, because other schools are going with 20+?
Nice! :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on June 29, 2006, 04:42:27 PM
Post by: Bballer on June 29, 2006, 04:42:27 PM
I went to portage back in the day, i saw Voelker play and the reason she didn't score that much is because teammates had a little trouble getting the ball down the court. Also NJCAA is not as easy as you think, i played in NJCAA and its all players that either cant afford college or great players that can't make the grades. some teams are week but looking at MATC's schedule they played D1, D2 colleges and won. Also you can't put up those numbers and be in the top 5 in the nation NJCAA to become 1st team and not be good. but again i will have to see her play at UWEC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 03, 2006, 10:14:06 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 03, 2006, 10:14:06 AM
WARHAWKS[/color] add additional recruit:
Molly Hendrickson, formerly of Monroe High School and more recently a walk-on in Lisa Stone's BADGER[/color] program has transferred and will play basketball for the WARHAWKS[/color]. She didn't see a lot of action in Madison but this kid can play and she'll be nice addition to the program.
Molly Hendrickson, formerly of Monroe High School and more recently a walk-on in Lisa Stone's BADGER[/color] program has transferred and will play basketball for the WARHAWKS[/color]. She didn't see a lot of action in Madison but this kid can play and she'll be nice addition to the program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on July 03, 2006, 08:27:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on July 03, 2006, 08:27:52 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on July 03, 2006, 10:14:06 AM
WARHAWKS[/color] add additional recruit:
Molly Hendrickson, formerly of Monroe High School
BW, I believe you mean Kelsey Hendrickson, correct?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 05, 2006, 09:04:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 05, 2006, 09:04:02 AM
I believe that's who I meant too, Bill. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on July 06, 2006, 12:10:10 PM
Post by: d3_ballu43 on July 06, 2006, 12:10:10 PM
I think when you say she didn't see much time at Madison you mean NONE considering she never dressed a game.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 06, 2006, 09:14:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 06, 2006, 09:14:15 PM
That wouldn't be much would it. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: d3_ballu43 on July 07, 2006, 07:11:43 AM
Post by: d3_ballu43 on July 07, 2006, 07:11:43 AM
Just wanted to make that clear for everyone so they didn't start changing their season predictions thinking WW got some huge BADGER transfer ;)
anyone know why she left madison?
anyone know why she left madison?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 07, 2006, 09:14:41 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 07, 2006, 09:14:41 AM
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that. Truthfully, I don't follow the BADGER[/color] women's program that closely and wasn't aware she hadn't dressed. I knew she hadn't played so I probably should have made that clearer. But she was a good player in high school and she'll be a nice addition to the WARHAWKS[/color] program.
Obviously she could have continued her education in Madison so I wouldn't be surprised if the most obvious reason, she still wants to play, is involved in her decision. Then again maybe her boyfriend goes to school here. lol
Obviously she could have continued her education in Madison so I wouldn't be surprised if the most obvious reason, she still wants to play, is involved in her decision. Then again maybe her boyfriend goes to school here. lol
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 08, 2006, 07:16:10 PM
Post by: foul_language on July 08, 2006, 07:16:10 PM
It's hard to believe that the Badgers didn't try every player on the bench in at least one game during the season. They were pretty dismal most of the time. Just for kicks, you'd think they'd throw in even the manager to see if it might jump start something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on July 11, 2006, 02:27:39 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on July 11, 2006, 02:27:39 PM
Foul -
I agree. Didn't the Badger men's program play their waterboy this past season?
I agree. Didn't the Badger men's program play their waterboy this past season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 02:45:32 PM
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 02:45:32 PM
The waterboy was probably 6'7".
Some team played a manager--I think it was high school, though--who scored a pile of points in the final game of the season. I also think there was a manager who didn't make his college team, who ended up playing because of team injuries and suspensions, or something. Maybe I dreamed both those scenarios (scenaria?)
I know there are people in the D3Sports audience who have all that information and links to stories about the schools, players, incidents, etc.
If neither of those things happened, maybe they'd make decent plots for sports novels for kids. Uplifting. Hopeful.
Some team played a manager--I think it was high school, though--who scored a pile of points in the final game of the season. I also think there was a manager who didn't make his college team, who ended up playing because of team injuries and suspensions, or something. Maybe I dreamed both those scenarios (scenaria?)
I know there are people in the D3Sports audience who have all that information and links to stories about the schools, players, incidents, etc.
If neither of those things happened, maybe they'd make decent plots for sports novels for kids. Uplifting. Hopeful.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 11, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 11, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
No coach in their right mind elevates a nondressing, walk on player to the starting lineup to "jump start" things. It isn't like the coach hasn't seen the player actually play so it's unlikely that they'd think that player could make any difference and it would be like admitting they couldn't evaluate their own talent. Plus the player would have been beaten out by other walk ons who are dressing and would get a chance ahead of them.
The first example mentioned by FL was an autistic high school kid on the east coast. He made something like 6 or 7 three pointers in less than 4 minutes of playing time. You'll be able to see the movie they're making before too long. The second example was a situation where there was a roster shortage created by injuries as well as other factors. If my memory serves me it wasn't at a D1 school, at least not one that competes at the level that Wisconsin does.
The first example mentioned by FL was an autistic high school kid on the east coast. He made something like 6 or 7 three pointers in less than 4 minutes of playing time. You'll be able to see the movie they're making before too long. The second example was a situation where there was a roster shortage created by injuries as well as other factors. If my memory serves me it wasn't at a D1 school, at least not one that competes at the level that Wisconsin does.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 03:59:36 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2006, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 02:45:32 PM
The waterboy was probably 6'7".
Some team played a manager--I think it was high school, though--who scored a pile of points in the final game of the season.
This story is even better -- the kid is autistic and scored something like 24 points in three minutes in his only game of the season, kept draining threes. Was on SportsCenter, in all the papers, etc.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 04:16:47 PM
Post by: foul_language on July 11, 2006, 04:16:47 PM
I was thinking the manager who played because of injuries, etc., was in Illinois and I think it was not an insignificant school. For some reason I keep thinking Northwestern, but that seems highly unlikely. Still, I don't think the kid played that badly. It might have been that he was small. Probably only 6'4"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: talkhoops on July 11, 2006, 10:30:07 PM
Post by: talkhoops on July 11, 2006, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on June 19, 2006, 02:49:32 PM
According to WW's[/color] list of recruits Lana Marjanovic is transfering from UW-EC to WHITEWATER[/color]. Though, based on the season's statistics, her playing time was pretty limited there.
she is not going to UWW anymore...she's on her way to winona state
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 12, 2006, 09:23:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 12, 2006, 09:23:13 AM
I'd heard that her boyfriend transfered there. ;) ;D
So it goes in D3. Good luck to her.
So it goes in D3. Good luck to her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on July 12, 2006, 01:01:23 PM
Post by: foul_language on July 12, 2006, 01:01:23 PM
QuoteNo coach in their right mind elevates a nondressing, walk on player to the starting lineup to "jump start" things
Besides the original comment being only semi-serious, I would add "right mind" is relative. How many coaches sticking to same old-same old losing pattern are in their "right mind"? How many coaches, who stick with a program that won a conference championship 20 years ago and nothing since, are in their "right mind"? How many coaches out there can't even spell 'innovative' much less know how to be it?
My other comment would pertain to coaches who recruit big-name players without any thought as to how those big names will mesh on the court. I believe that may have been Badger women's problem the last two years (granted, the current coach inherited most of the team) . Recruiting should be like putting together a jig-saw puzzle--the right piece in the right place. DI and DII schools have the luxury of picking and choosing, but some seem to get blinded by glitter and forget that glitter doesn't work if there isn't some glue and some background to give it substance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 12, 2006, 02:09:47 PM
Post by: buf on July 12, 2006, 02:09:47 PM
UWO basketball assisstant coach leaves for Stout golf position (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/golf/schoonoverstout.html)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on July 12, 2006, 04:46:27 PM
Post by: Just Bill on July 12, 2006, 04:46:27 PM
Wow! I am surprised. Schoony is always a class act. Best of luck to her in Menomonie.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 12, 2006, 05:35:29 PM
Post by: bulk19 on July 12, 2006, 05:35:29 PM
"Wow! I am surprised. Schoony is always a class act. Best of luck to her in Menomonie."
That's because Schoonover is a UWEC grad! ;)
Best of luck to her in her new endeavors...
That's because Schoonover is a UWEC grad! ;)
Best of luck to her in her new endeavors...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on July 20, 2006, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: EChoops on July 20, 2006, 11:44:54 AM
It will be interesting to see what the Bluegolds do this coming season with all those recruits. I just hope there is team chemistry and NO drama.
Anybody know when the schedule is due out? Soon, I hope.
Anybody know when the schedule is due out? Soon, I hope.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 20, 2006, 01:32:32 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 20, 2006, 01:32:32 PM
Remember, Kerry Gibson's sister plays for UW-M
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 20, 2006, 01:44:37 PM
Post by: buf on July 20, 2006, 01:44:37 PM
Here are UWEC's non-conference games
To see the full schedule you can go to the UWEC women's basketball site, click on "Newsletters" and then click on "April 2006."
Quote from: buf on May 12, 2006, 07:50:54 PM
For the 1st time in about a month..... some WIAC news!
I took a look at UWEC's 06'-07' schedule. Once again Englund has put together a challenging non-conference schedule.
Hope Tip Off Tourney: Hope is defending champs
EC Thanksgiving Tourney: Teams include Viterbo, Morningside, and Otterbein. Morningside has been a good NAIA team, winning back to back championships a couple years ago. They also defeated EC at Zorn the year after the Blugolds went to the Final Four.
At St. Cloud State: A D2 team that made the Elite 8 this past year. They also beat Stout by 17 this past year.
At Carroll College: A tough MWC team this past year. They beat UWO and Point. EC made a late comeback at Zorn last year to give Carroll there first loss of the season.
Trinity Holiday Tourney: Trinity won the championship a few years ago and are always one of the best South region teams.
From looking at the conference schedule, it seems that the teams will be playing their opponents in the same sequence as last year, with the only difference being reversed home court. For example, UWEC played Stout for their first conference game last year at Zorn. They play Stout first this year too, but AT Stout
To see the full schedule you can go to the UWEC women's basketball site, click on "Newsletters" and then click on "April 2006."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2006, 05:13:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2006, 05:13:44 PM
The UW-Stevens Point women will open their season with an exhibition game against the BADGERS[/color] on Nov 2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 21, 2006, 01:04:19 AM
Post by: bulk19 on July 21, 2006, 01:04:19 AM
UWSP vs. the Badgers = Shirley Egner vs. Lisa Stone again!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EChoops on July 21, 2006, 09:49:40 AM
Post by: EChoops on July 21, 2006, 09:49:40 AM
Thanks Buf. Now I see that they have it on their website under schedules as well. They must have posted later the same day I looked for it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on July 23, 2006, 09:15:35 AM
Post by: Bballer on July 23, 2006, 09:15:35 AM
Hey, UW-Platteville recuites are out they have a good class coming in next season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on July 28, 2006, 01:30:37 PM
Post by: Bballer on July 28, 2006, 01:30:37 PM
Does anyone know UWO's or Stout's recruits for next season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 29, 2006, 10:09:04 AM
Post by: buf on July 29, 2006, 10:09:04 AM
I have heard nothing official from niether of them.
You can check out the link in my quote from a month ago about some of the WBCA all stars and where they are going to school. Weather or not they are going to play basketball, who knows?
You can check out the link in my quote from a month ago about some of the WBCA all stars and where they are going to school. Weather or not they are going to play basketball, who knows?
Quote from: buf on June 27, 2006, 03:07:57 PM
This was posted on the men's WIAC board:
A story in the June 17 Capital Times has the rosters for the WBCA All Stars - both men and women, all four divisions, north and south. A total of 80 boys and 80 girls and theur colleges. It lists their high schools and what college they will be attending. It is a pretty complete summary of the recruits for all the WIAC schools. It is at:
http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/preps/index.php?ntid=88020&ntpid=2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 29, 2006, 11:18:14 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 29, 2006, 11:18:14 PM
One Oshkosh recruit I've heard about is Lake Mills Lakeside Lutheran High School's Kayla Sharpee. I had the opportunity to see her play a few times and I think she'll be a nice player in the WIAC before she graduates. She's able to run the floor, play physically underneath and she's aggessive. Though, admittedly, the level of competition in Capital Conference girl's basketball isn't that good and she'll have to make a significant adjustment. But they all have to do that to one degree or another and I think she has the tools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 31, 2006, 10:47:51 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on July 31, 2006, 10:47:51 PM
All i know about Oshkosh Recruits is this...
they are all above 6 feet...
Its time for the conference to stretch out.
they are all above 6 feet...
Its time for the conference to stretch out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on August 01, 2006, 08:59:08 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on August 01, 2006, 08:59:08 AM
Duoss still rules!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PackerFan on August 01, 2006, 11:57:53 AM
Post by: PackerFan on August 01, 2006, 11:57:53 AM
Duoss rules at standing in the middle of the lane for entire posessions at a time - that's where height is really an advantage!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on August 01, 2006, 12:14:47 PM
Post by: T.F. Guy on August 01, 2006, 12:14:47 PM
As for Platteville's recruiting class....
It looks like they've added some depth in the backcourt -- where there could be a happy logjam next season -- and some much-needed height up front.
In any event, it'll be a much different team from the past couple years. Losing Holly Kaiser will do that.
PS: When's the last time UWP got four WBCA All-Stars in a single recruiting class?
It looks like they've added some depth in the backcourt -- where there could be a happy logjam next season -- and some much-needed height up front.
In any event, it'll be a much different team from the past couple years. Losing Holly Kaiser will do that.
PS: When's the last time UWP got four WBCA All-Stars in a single recruiting class?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on August 01, 2006, 03:20:29 PM
Post by: billys on August 01, 2006, 03:20:29 PM
MrDT- I've heard of three players going to Oshkosh and none are 6'0". Was that a joke or are there some big kids as well.
Platteville looks like they did a good job with their class. The girl from Cuba City had been rumored to not be playing bball in college. Apparently not the case. They said the same about Hunter from La Crosse playing volleyball and not basketball last year. Thankfully she chose BBall.
I was suprised to see the Oshkosh assistant leave bball. From what my buddy here at LaX says, she was pretty good. On that note he's also leaving La Crosse to go to UW-Parkside. So I lost my "source." Maybe laxeaglepride will be able to give us the scoop next season. Not sure what the players thought of him but I know he had a lot to do with the past few recruiting classes. He's not swaying me over to www.d2basketball.com however.
Also saw in the paper here that former Whitewater and La Crosse assistant Angie Russell got a D1 assistant job at Cleveland State.
Okay that's enough assistant coach news for now. Slow news day huh?
Platteville looks like they did a good job with their class. The girl from Cuba City had been rumored to not be playing bball in college. Apparently not the case. They said the same about Hunter from La Crosse playing volleyball and not basketball last year. Thankfully she chose BBall.
I was suprised to see the Oshkosh assistant leave bball. From what my buddy here at LaX says, she was pretty good. On that note he's also leaving La Crosse to go to UW-Parkside. So I lost my "source." Maybe laxeaglepride will be able to give us the scoop next season. Not sure what the players thought of him but I know he had a lot to do with the past few recruiting classes. He's not swaying me over to www.d2basketball.com however.
Also saw in the paper here that former Whitewater and La Crosse assistant Angie Russell got a D1 assistant job at Cleveland State.
Okay that's enough assistant coach news for now. Slow news day huh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on August 01, 2006, 03:35:36 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on August 01, 2006, 03:35:36 PM
yes billys we are going to miss your inside man...he is a great guy that will do well anywhere he goes...
and as for me I will try to keep you informed from the LaX camp
and as for me I will try to keep you informed from the LaX camp
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BBall Coach on August 14, 2006, 10:23:19 AM
Post by: BBall Coach on August 14, 2006, 10:23:19 AM
I was fortunate enough to get to work with Kris while I was at UW-O. I will say that she is one of the best coaches I know. Stout has found an excellent person to run this new program. Good Luck Schoonie!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on August 17, 2006, 04:48:06 PM
Post by: T.F. Guy on August 17, 2006, 04:48:06 PM
Whoops, make it five WBCA All-Stars going to Platteville....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on August 28, 2006, 08:31:43 PM
Post by: Illinihoops4 on August 28, 2006, 08:31:43 PM
Guess it's a good thing that UW-P has one heck of an assistant coach to do all that recruiting then.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on September 02, 2006, 09:48:24 AM
Post by: Just Bill on September 02, 2006, 09:48:24 AM
From the WIAC home page:
"Inside the WIAC" weekly radio show to broadcast 40 shows this season:
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/press/insidethewiac.html
"Inside the WIAC" weekly radio show to broadcast 40 shows this season:
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/press/insidethewiac.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 12, 2006, 09:53:28 PM
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 12, 2006, 09:53:28 PM
Just over a month before practice begins............. with pre-season in full effect, have their been any drastic changes in newcomers? Or rosters in general for that matter?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on September 13, 2006, 01:49:48 PM
Post by: buf on September 13, 2006, 01:49:48 PM
Not that I know of!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on September 21, 2006, 03:45:28 PM
Post by: hoops49 on September 21, 2006, 03:45:28 PM
Nothing more than the usual tons of recruits for some of the schools. Plus you have tryouts in the middle of October and that might factor into it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 21, 2006, 11:26:23 PM
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 21, 2006, 11:26:23 PM
typically pre-season "conditioning" or captains practices as some call them usually weed some of those "recruits" out.
Looking forward to things getting started.
Looking forward to things getting started.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on September 22, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
Post by: hoops49 on September 22, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
I am as well, but in football mode right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on September 25, 2006, 07:42:26 PM
Post by: Bballer on September 25, 2006, 07:42:26 PM
Well, i heard through the grape vine that Steph Becker and Elle Bailey (recruit) quit the UWEC team. :'(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on September 26, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on September 26, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
UWEC has had a ton of turnover over the last few years, what is up with that?! I heard that a few other upperclassmen might not be playing either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on September 26, 2006, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: buf on September 26, 2006, 01:53:27 PM
Englund tends to recruit more players than outgoing seniors. There were only 2 seniors last year and I believe something like 7 recruits this year. This makes it difficult for some to make the team much less get solid playing time. For players who are quitting this early, I assume that they don't want to put in the time (workouts) if they may not even make the team. UWEC has had some turnover in recent years, but it is ususally the players at the end of the bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 08, 2006, 02:53:45 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 08, 2006, 02:53:45 PM
Congrats to Mark Thomas (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/thomasWBCAcoy.html) for being awarded the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Women's coach of the year for the second year in a row.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on October 19, 2006, 12:19:14 PM
Post by: Bballer on October 19, 2006, 12:19:14 PM
Rosters are starting to come out......... :o ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 20, 2006, 02:13:12 PM
Post by: buf on October 20, 2006, 02:13:12 PM
UWEC's Roster (http://www.uwec.edu/athletics/wbkb/0607/roster.htm)
Looks like a lot of new posts.
No seniors on the roster.
A few bench players either quit, didn't make the team, or transferred.
Looks like a lot of new posts.
No seniors on the roster.
A few bench players either quit, didn't make the team, or transferred.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 20, 2006, 04:07:21 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 20, 2006, 04:07:21 PM
UW-Superior roster: http://www.uwsuper.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/roster.asp?
(Note: UW-Eau Claire transfer Amanda Rounsville (Maple Northwestern))
UW-Stevens Point roster: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/roster.htm
(Note: D-II Michigan Tech transfer Katie Webber (Reedsburg))
(Note: UW-Eau Claire transfer Amanda Rounsville (Maple Northwestern))
UW-Stevens Point roster: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/roster.htm
(Note: D-II Michigan Tech transfer Katie Webber (Reedsburg))
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 20, 2006, 09:34:30 PM
Post by: foul_language on October 20, 2006, 09:34:30 PM
It would be great to see skillful basketball players abandon the practice of flocking to already overloaded benches and start joining the less successful teams. I commend Amanda Rounsville for making the leap and going to Soup-town. I hope she's happier up north AND helps make a difference. I'm hoping the new coach--who has been working very hard, by the way--finds success. I've said it before, I'll probably say it again--senility, perhaps--it's better to go to the weaker teams and PLAY than join a deep team and sit on the bench for three years. Let the season begin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on October 21, 2006, 12:39:58 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on October 21, 2006, 12:39:58 PM
I saw this discussion on here in the past, and while I don't completely disagree in theory with the basketball portion of your statement, there are so many things that go into consideration at the Division III level. Amanda is from the Superior area so her transfer makes sense on a few different levels.
FL- I've read your posts in the past and have always enjoyed your analysis so please don't think I'm bashing your post. And I also don't think you meant it like it was written, but when you say "start joining the less successful teams" you ignore the academics/school portion of the equation. Girls and their families are so much more academic program conscientious than boys that those considerations often outweigh/equal the program, the success, and the opportunity to play early.
Some girls wanted to be the one's that changed a program's mentality, as we were able to find at La Crosse; but some come from a less successful high school program that have been wanting to win for years; so they want immediate success from a team standpoint. I'm sure I'm not telling anyone anything they don't know; I'm just confirming it is probably more prevalent thought then you all may think. It's not always just girls thinking, or being told, "I can play there early."
I agree, from a fan and parity standpoint it would be nice to have an even dispersal of really good players to make everyone a "true" contender.
FL- I've read your posts in the past and have always enjoyed your analysis so please don't think I'm bashing your post. And I also don't think you meant it like it was written, but when you say "start joining the less successful teams" you ignore the academics/school portion of the equation. Girls and their families are so much more academic program conscientious than boys that those considerations often outweigh/equal the program, the success, and the opportunity to play early.
Some girls wanted to be the one's that changed a program's mentality, as we were able to find at La Crosse; but some come from a less successful high school program that have been wanting to win for years; so they want immediate success from a team standpoint. I'm sure I'm not telling anyone anything they don't know; I'm just confirming it is probably more prevalent thought then you all may think. It's not always just girls thinking, or being told, "I can play there early."
I agree, from a fan and parity standpoint it would be nice to have an even dispersal of really good players to make everyone a "true" contender.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 21, 2006, 01:53:19 PM
Post by: foul_language on October 21, 2006, 01:53:19 PM
Considering academics, for me, in discussing DIII athletics is automatic. Going to school simply to play sports will come back to haunt the athlete and family eventually--I know from personal experience. I also believe that deciding on a school is not a simple formula, and weighing each element against the others is very important. Part of that formula, however, is the coach's pitch. For a 17- or 18-year old, that's potent. It's pretty flattering to have someone court you, and if the woo-er is someone with a successful athletic program, and you want athletics to be part of your college experience, the formula can get unbalanced.
All I'd like to see, I guess, is a more level playing field. I have no idea how that occurs, unless you run recruiting through some series of events that puts everyone interested in a sport in an arena or on a field with all the coaches loitering around the edges--tables set up, hawking the pluses and minuses of their schools and programs--so prospective students can wander around and get a sense of what's available.
Returning to the original discussion: athletes tend not to look at UW-Superior, because it doesn't show up anywhere but hockey. It does, however, have superb academic programs in many areas. I trust the new coach--in fact, all the coaches--is pushing that aspect of the school as well as the opportunity to participate in sports.
All I'd like to see, I guess, is a more level playing field. I have no idea how that occurs, unless you run recruiting through some series of events that puts everyone interested in a sport in an arena or on a field with all the coaches loitering around the edges--tables set up, hawking the pluses and minuses of their schools and programs--so prospective students can wander around and get a sense of what's available.
Returning to the original discussion: athletes tend not to look at UW-Superior, because it doesn't show up anywhere but hockey. It does, however, have superb academic programs in many areas. I trust the new coach--in fact, all the coaches--is pushing that aspect of the school as well as the opportunity to participate in sports.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 21, 2006, 07:12:25 PM
Post by: foul_language on October 21, 2006, 07:12:25 PM
...and to complete the thought: everyone may do everything right--pick the right school for all the right reasons and still come out with a BA in English. Been there, done that. What was I thinking?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on October 21, 2006, 10:33:17 PM
Post by: hoops49 on October 21, 2006, 10:33:17 PM
Buf- in answer to what became of some of last year's players. 2 quit and 3 transferred. None of them would have been seniors though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 27, 2006, 11:34:20 PM
Post by: buf on October 27, 2006, 11:34:20 PM
UWO Roster (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/Roster.html)
Looks a bit thin (11 players) and not much experience. Some bench players from last year aren't around this year. I guess Sharpee is supposed to be a good player.
Looks a bit thin (11 players) and not much experience. Some bench players from last year aren't around this year. I guess Sharpee is supposed to be a good player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinhoops12 on October 30, 2006, 12:54:49 PM
Post by: wisconsinhoops12 on October 30, 2006, 12:54:49 PM
any predictions on the Point vs Wisconsin game?????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2006, 02:07:39 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2006, 02:07:39 PM
Yes, WISCONSIN. Though I hope Point wins. Not much of a Lisa Stone fan nor do I like what's happened to the women's program since she's arrived. They seem to be going backwards. But I'm enough of a BADGER fan to hope she can turn things around and I don't pretend to know more than the coaching staff does.
For whatever reason the 2006 WARHAWK roster isn't posted yet but with only one senior on the team last year, other than the new addiditons, I wouldn't expect it to look a whole lot different this season.
With 14 of our 18 players either freshman or sophomores we had a really young team last year and our play was inconsistant. At times we would have five freshman on the floor. Some nights, particularly at home, we looked really good and then others, particularly on the road, we didn't look so good. But we did beat Point, Eau Claire, Stout and played Oshkosh pretty tough which are things we haven't been able to do in the past. So, to me, it looks like Coach Carollo and her staff have things headed in the right direction. With the added benefit of experience we should be very competitive. Once we can get that winning on the road thing down, look out. ;D
For whatever reason the 2006 WARHAWK roster isn't posted yet but with only one senior on the team last year, other than the new addiditons, I wouldn't expect it to look a whole lot different this season.
With 14 of our 18 players either freshman or sophomores we had a really young team last year and our play was inconsistant. At times we would have five freshman on the floor. Some nights, particularly at home, we looked really good and then others, particularly on the road, we didn't look so good. But we did beat Point, Eau Claire, Stout and played Oshkosh pretty tough which are things we haven't been able to do in the past. So, to me, it looks like Coach Carollo and her staff have things headed in the right direction. With the added benefit of experience we should be very competitive. Once we can get that winning on the road thing down, look out. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 30, 2006, 02:26:06 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 30, 2006, 02:26:06 PM
Point vs Wisconsin.......hmmmmmmmmm........the obvious pick here would be to go with the D1 favorite.....but then again who doesn't like to see an underdog win.....tough choice....GO POINT!
as for rosters....
UW-L looks to have another successful year...
UW-SUP looking like they are taking the steps to becoming a step better than last year
UW-O looks like they may struggle although they do have athletes....sharpee was a great high school player but it is going to take some time to get her into a "great" WIAC player, Knapp is always good
UW-P what a recruiting class! Looks like that coaching staff did there homework....I do believe this team will surprise some people
UW Stout- haven't taken the time to look at recruits....
UWSP- making some nice additions to a pretty solid group....looks like they will be seeing some nice things from there senior duo if they stay healthy
UWRF-haven't seen anything yet but they always seem to be a hard one to predict for
UWEC- always a good class....the problem there is usually there isn't a enough jerseys....
UWW- did they get a transfer from UW Madison???
as for rosters....
UW-L looks to have another successful year...
UW-SUP looking like they are taking the steps to becoming a step better than last year
UW-O looks like they may struggle although they do have athletes....sharpee was a great high school player but it is going to take some time to get her into a "great" WIAC player, Knapp is always good
UW-P what a recruiting class! Looks like that coaching staff did there homework....I do believe this team will surprise some people
UW Stout- haven't taken the time to look at recruits....
UWSP- making some nice additions to a pretty solid group....looks like they will be seeing some nice things from there senior duo if they stay healthy
UWRF-haven't seen anything yet but they always seem to be a hard one to predict for
UWEC- always a good class....the problem there is usually there isn't a enough jerseys....
UWW- did they get a transfer from UW Madison???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 10:04:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 10:04:14 AM
Crazy4 the answer is yes. Ex-Monroe HS athlete Molly Hendrickson has transferred to WHITEWATER and will play for us this year. My understanding is that she is a sophomore with freshman eligibility.
I also have to correct myself regarding the transfer from UW-Milwaukee. She is eligibile to play this season and will add some size to the team's post players. From the looks of last night's intrasquad scrimmage we've added some young shooters to this year's team as well.
Interestingly some of the new talent looks pretty decent and some of the returning younger players off last year's team are showing significant improvement. In fact, some of last year's starters could find themselves really pressed to retain their positions.
I also have to correct myself regarding the transfer from UW-Milwaukee. She is eligibile to play this season and will add some size to the team's post players. From the looks of last night's intrasquad scrimmage we've added some young shooters to this year's team as well.
Interestingly some of the new talent looks pretty decent and some of the returning younger players off last year's team are showing significant improvement. In fact, some of last year's starters could find themselves really pressed to retain their positions.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 31, 2006, 12:29:08 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 31, 2006, 12:29:08 PM
unless I heard wrong....isn't her name Kelsey Hendrickson?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 31, 2006, 12:30:21 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on October 31, 2006, 12:30:21 PM
....how does it work that she is a freshman.....thought she was a transfer?????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 01:23:39 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 01:23:39 PM
You're probably right about the name, crazy, my bad.
She is a freshman eligibility wise which suggests that she was not a member of the BADGERS team last year and did not use up one of her eligibilty years. But I'm not sure what the circumstances were.
Perhaps all I should have said is that we do have a UW-W transfer named Henrickson and she is playing basketball for the WARHAWKS this year. That would have been a much safer comment. ;)
She is a freshman eligibility wise which suggests that she was not a member of the BADGERS team last year and did not use up one of her eligibilty years. But I'm not sure what the circumstances were.
Perhaps all I should have said is that we do have a UW-W transfer named Henrickson and she is playing basketball for the WARHAWKS this year. That would have been a much safer comment. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2006, 01:53:43 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2006, 01:53:43 PM
She practiced with the Badgers but did not play. So, by Division I standards it was a redshirt year. Division III honors redshirt years taken at D-I or D-II schools (unless a conference explicitly bars it, which the WIAC does not), so she will still have four years to play at Whitewater.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on October 31, 2006, 04:02:40 PM
Post by: foul_language on October 31, 2006, 04:02:40 PM
My understanding of DIII *shirt rules--apparently transfers from DI aren't subject to them--are that the only redshirts available are medical; greyshirting dissociates a person from the team--they don't practice with the team but are expected to work out on their own--I suppose with the understanding they'll be in shape for the next season. One would have to be pretty motivated to stick to a work-out regime if one wasn't good enough to make the team in the first place. I suppose there are other reasons for not making a team freshman year, but it has to be an uphill battle under the greyshirting set up.
In the five years to play four, my understanding is that any full-time student status counts in the ten semesters; being out of school for a period of time doesn't count against the athlete. Thus, Brooke Wozniak-Schmidt in Eau Claire played four years of basketball/(two? three?) years track, and two years after the initial four years did a final year in track. I understood she was out of school for a year(?). Thus, she took at least six years to complete her track eligibility.
In the five years to play four, my understanding is that any full-time student status counts in the ten semesters; being out of school for a period of time doesn't count against the athlete. Thus, Brooke Wozniak-Schmidt in Eau Claire played four years of basketball/(two? three?) years track, and two years after the initial four years did a final year in track. I understood she was out of school for a year(?). Thus, she took at least six years to complete her track eligibility.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 05:04:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2006, 05:04:53 PM
Thanks, Bill. I appreciate the clarification.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on November 01, 2006, 11:02:35 AM
Post by: wisconsinball on November 01, 2006, 11:02:35 AM
What happened to Buttke at UWL???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 11:54:39 AM
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 11:54:39 AM
And Ashley Fall at UWL? Wasn't she a junior last year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 01, 2006, 12:41:21 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 01, 2006, 12:41:21 PM
Media day coming up ... anybody want to throw some preseason predictions out?
In regards to Ashley Fall, she decided not to play. She's pretty close to graduating even though she would only have been a junior eligibility-wise.
And you guys are right on with the redshirting rules. Previous NCAA redshirts are honored. I think greyshirts are probably being utilized by the men a lot more than the women. And you're absolutely right, it's very difficult to effectively work out on your own for a year and then come back much improved.
crazy4hoops- good to have you on; crazy's probably right if you're picking point ;)
I'd wait a little on Platteville's recruiting class, no disrespect but being a WBCA All-Star (which is where I've seen the hype directed) does not necessarily equal greatness. Their staff does work extremely hard and it will be interesting to see how much Wisdom contributes early. They do have a nice transfer PG that no one is talking about. They are closing the gap but it may not necessarily be the "heralded" recruits that close it. Such as Grantman who did a great job last year after coming in under the radar.
WW added some talented kids. Point?
Soooo... after Stout as the favorite, who do you all have next?
In regards to Ashley Fall, she decided not to play. She's pretty close to graduating even though she would only have been a junior eligibility-wise.
And you guys are right on with the redshirting rules. Previous NCAA redshirts are honored. I think greyshirts are probably being utilized by the men a lot more than the women. And you're absolutely right, it's very difficult to effectively work out on your own for a year and then come back much improved.
crazy4hoops- good to have you on; crazy's probably right if you're picking point ;)
I'd wait a little on Platteville's recruiting class, no disrespect but being a WBCA All-Star (which is where I've seen the hype directed) does not necessarily equal greatness. Their staff does work extremely hard and it will be interesting to see how much Wisdom contributes early. They do have a nice transfer PG that no one is talking about. They are closing the gap but it may not necessarily be the "heralded" recruits that close it. Such as Grantman who did a great job last year after coming in under the radar.
WW added some talented kids. Point?
Soooo... after Stout as the favorite, who do you all have next?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 01, 2006, 01:05:59 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 01, 2006, 01:05:59 PM
eaglealum-nice joke...made me chuckle a little bit :D
as for conference predictions....looking at UWO's roster I predict they will not be in the top 4
that would be my only confident prediction at the moment.
as for conference predictions....looking at UWO's roster I predict they will not be in the top 4
that would be my only confident prediction at the moment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2006, 02:50:23 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2006, 02:50:23 PM
I'll be the first to stick my neck out and let the rest of you take a whack at it:
1. Stout - Have a very nice senior nucleus. If Duoss has to do it all herself they won't get far, but they should have the weapons to take some of the pressure off of her.
2. Stevens Point - Statistically, led the league in a lot of categories, but never beat the turnover bug and never settled into a comfortable rotation. With everyone being a year older they should be tough. Watch to see how Webber develops at the PG spot to get an idea of how Point's season will go.
3. La Crosse - Made big strides last year, and should only get better. Hunter may prove herself to be a conference POY candidate this year.
4. Eau Claire - Burns and Arciszewski will carry a big load for this team. No seniors! Watch out in 2007-08.
5. Oshkosh - Seems strange having them this low doesn't it? Played a 6 person rotation last year and I think they will suffer from a lack of quality depth this year.
6. Platteville - I know people in P-land expect big things this year. I think it's going to take a little longer for that all to come together, but they are certainly dangerous, especially at home.
7. Whitewater - They seem to have good talent, but haven't been able to play consistently well for long stretches of the season. Another dangerous team that could beat you by 20 one night and lose to you by 20 the next.
8. River Falls - It seems every year I put River Falls towards the bottom of my list, and every year they make me look bad by finishing fourth or fifth. Oh well, prove me wrong again.
9. Superior - I wish the new coach all the luck in the world. I don't know if it's possible to build a consistent winner at Superior, but they certainly can be more competitive then they've been.
1. Stout - Have a very nice senior nucleus. If Duoss has to do it all herself they won't get far, but they should have the weapons to take some of the pressure off of her.
2. Stevens Point - Statistically, led the league in a lot of categories, but never beat the turnover bug and never settled into a comfortable rotation. With everyone being a year older they should be tough. Watch to see how Webber develops at the PG spot to get an idea of how Point's season will go.
3. La Crosse - Made big strides last year, and should only get better. Hunter may prove herself to be a conference POY candidate this year.
4. Eau Claire - Burns and Arciszewski will carry a big load for this team. No seniors! Watch out in 2007-08.
5. Oshkosh - Seems strange having them this low doesn't it? Played a 6 person rotation last year and I think they will suffer from a lack of quality depth this year.
6. Platteville - I know people in P-land expect big things this year. I think it's going to take a little longer for that all to come together, but they are certainly dangerous, especially at home.
7. Whitewater - They seem to have good talent, but haven't been able to play consistently well for long stretches of the season. Another dangerous team that could beat you by 20 one night and lose to you by 20 the next.
8. River Falls - It seems every year I put River Falls towards the bottom of my list, and every year they make me look bad by finishing fourth or fifth. Oh well, prove me wrong again.
9. Superior - I wish the new coach all the luck in the world. I don't know if it's possible to build a consistent winner at Superior, but they certainly can be more competitive then they've been.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 01, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
Post by: buf on November 01, 2006, 02:57:33 PM
More Rosters
Stout's Roster (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbroster.htm)
WW's Roster (http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/roster.html)
UWL's Roster (http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/roster/)
RF's Roster (http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0607/wbb.roster.2007.html)
UWP Roster (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0607/roster.html)
Stout's Roster (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbroster.htm)
WW's Roster (http://www.uww.edu/athletics/wbasketball/roster.html)
UWL's Roster (http://perth.uwlax.edu/Athletics/wbasketball/roster/)
RF's Roster (http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0607/wbb.roster.2007.html)
UWP Roster (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0607/roster.html)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 01, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 01, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
No question about UW-Stout, they may go perfect in the WIAC this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 04:25:27 PM
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 04:25:27 PM
A 'what would you do in this hypothetical situation' question:
You're a coach (any level, doesn't matter); you have a pretty good team of players, several players at each position who can handle it, not much difference between them--not significant. One player tells you he/she won't play unless he/she starts.
What is your response?
You're a coach (any level, doesn't matter); you have a pretty good team of players, several players at each position who can handle it, not much difference between them--not significant. One player tells you he/she won't play unless he/she starts.
What is your response?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2006, 04:57:07 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2006, 04:57:07 PM
I'd say, "We're really going to miss you. Good bye."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 05:20:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 05:20:49 PM
For the record, that's my general take on it, too, although I'd suggest a time and day for turning in equipment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 01, 2006, 05:43:35 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 01, 2006, 05:43:35 PM
Re: Badgers vs. Pointers -
Not sure, but how do the rest of you feel about this question??? Is the gap in talent between D1 and D3 greater for the men's teams, or women's teams? The Pointer men, albeit at the top of the heap in D3, were able to play with Marquette.
Not sure that is the case with the Pointer women this year, as far as the Badger game. But, I can't say I know much about the talent level at D1, compared to D3. Is it as big a jump as it is on the men's side?
That being said, I think the Pointer women from 2002 (National champs) and 2004 (4th place team), could give the Badgers a run for the money. They had some special players on those teams - Kari Groshek, Carry Boehning, Andrea Kraemer, Tara Schmitt, Amy Scott, Cassandra Heuer, Cassandra Schultz, Amanda Nechuta... Each was a big-time player in different aspects of the game, and those were great teams...
Not sure the Pointers, though, who will be good again this year, really have that "star" player on the team... Will be interesting to see who the "go-to" player is? Or if it is truly a team effort, by committee, which could make them unpredictable and dangerous from that standpoint?
Anyway, off to Zorn to see the Lady Blugolds' intrasquad game. A young team last year that finished in the middle of the pack has grown up a bit. But then again, so have some of the other teams, who were also young, and ahead of them in the standings. Which team will improve the most over last year??? Makes for another great season forthcoming...
Not sure, but how do the rest of you feel about this question??? Is the gap in talent between D1 and D3 greater for the men's teams, or women's teams? The Pointer men, albeit at the top of the heap in D3, were able to play with Marquette.
Not sure that is the case with the Pointer women this year, as far as the Badger game. But, I can't say I know much about the talent level at D1, compared to D3. Is it as big a jump as it is on the men's side?
That being said, I think the Pointer women from 2002 (National champs) and 2004 (4th place team), could give the Badgers a run for the money. They had some special players on those teams - Kari Groshek, Carry Boehning, Andrea Kraemer, Tara Schmitt, Amy Scott, Cassandra Heuer, Cassandra Schultz, Amanda Nechuta... Each was a big-time player in different aspects of the game, and those were great teams...
Not sure the Pointers, though, who will be good again this year, really have that "star" player on the team... Will be interesting to see who the "go-to" player is? Or if it is truly a team effort, by committee, which could make them unpredictable and dangerous from that standpoint?
Anyway, off to Zorn to see the Lady Blugolds' intrasquad game. A young team last year that finished in the middle of the pack has grown up a bit. But then again, so have some of the other teams, who were also young, and ahead of them in the standings. Which team will improve the most over last year??? Makes for another great season forthcoming...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 01, 2006, 11:00:40 PM
Post by: buf on November 01, 2006, 11:00:40 PM
Back from Blu/Gold Game.
Heidi A., by far the best player.
Good games from Witt and Burns.
The 6'3" transfer made a couple good shots in the 1st half but did not do much in the 2nd. She's big and strong but doesn't have good movement or agressiveness.
3-point shooting was PATHETIC!!! Maybe 15%. More airballs than makes.
Overall, not one of the best performed Blu-Gold games, but these games don't really tell a whole lot about what's in-store for the regular season and can be decieving.
My guess at starting lineup:
Anderson
Burns
Heidi A.
Mueg.
Witt
Heidi A., by far the best player.
Good games from Witt and Burns.
The 6'3" transfer made a couple good shots in the 1st half but did not do much in the 2nd. She's big and strong but doesn't have good movement or agressiveness.
3-point shooting was PATHETIC!!! Maybe 15%. More airballs than makes.
Overall, not one of the best performed Blu-Gold games, but these games don't really tell a whole lot about what's in-store for the regular season and can be decieving.
My guess at starting lineup:
Anderson
Burns
Heidi A.
Mueg.
Witt
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 02, 2006, 12:06:46 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 02, 2006, 12:06:46 AM
bulk- I firmly believe the D1-D3 gap is bigger in women's; heck not only D1-D3 but D1-D2 or High D1 to Mid-Major D1. Size alone is a huge factor in the women's game since jumping ability is fairly even. If there's a 6-1, 6-2, 6-3 girl with decent skill; they're getting a scholarship more often than not D-1. Then if you go to the perimeter a 5'11 or taller girl that can shoot or handle the ball = scholarship. The WIAC is lucky because their first teamers are scholarship level and in same cases should be D-1 players. It takes players that should be a D1 or D2 to win the WIAC; if you have one that's usually good enough; i.e. Duoss. How much different would recent history be if she hadn't transferred back. Hunter and Heidi A, last year's top frosh, should be going to school for much cheaper than they are.
Looking at Marquette's roster, they have one player under 5'11" huge wings and huge front court. Most men's teams, at least size wise can match up a little better. Heck, tonight the Parkside men (who will be okay this year) went to Milwaukee and beat UWM.
I think the women's game will get to the point where the gap gets closed. Right now I just think the pool of men's players is so much deeper that a really good D-3 has the strength, size, and athleticism gap much smaller than the women do.
Looking at Marquette's roster, they have one player under 5'11" huge wings and huge front court. Most men's teams, at least size wise can match up a little better. Heck, tonight the Parkside men (who will be okay this year) went to Milwaukee and beat UWM.
I think the women's game will get to the point where the gap gets closed. Right now I just think the pool of men's players is so much deeper that a really good D-3 has the strength, size, and athleticism gap much smaller than the women do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 02, 2006, 12:39:34 AM
Post by: bulk19 on November 02, 2006, 12:39:34 AM
Hey buf - Just back from Zorn, too...
The two teams were split into squads of 8 (Gold), with the 7 returnees, and maybe four, or all five starters???
and 9 (White), with three returnees, two transfers and four freshmen. Two potential starters? So, I thought it would be perhaps onesided, but it was tied, or within two, at half, if I remember correctly. But then Golds pulled away for a 60-49 win...
Stats show Heidi Arciszewski and Michelle Burns, both with 18, to lead the Golds. Burns also had 10 boards. Good to see her, and Rachel Mueggenborg, back healthy...
Heather Wiit had 12 points and 8 boards for the Blues...
I'm not sure what the starting lineup will be - Burns, Arciszewski and Ashley Anderson, and Brittani Hakanson. Mueggenborg or Witt? I don't know how it will end up - I really am impressed with Witt - but I think she may be better suited off the bench? She did provide a lot of spark last year, but did show a lot of hustle and leadership tonight...
Guard matchups tonight - Witt and Mueggenborg vs. Arciszewski and Angie Foschi = was fun to watch. They all bring something different to the court, and will provide great depth, no matter who starts...
I think Zenner played a key role off the bench, too. She'd be my sixth, first off the bench.
Not to slight the others, but I'm not sure I can make fair assessments on them based on seeing them just tonight. I liked a little bit of what each of them had to contribute, though. Looks like each one can address a specific area...
I liked the intensity on D on both sides. I also liked the competitiveness between the two teams. Although they ultimately comprise one team, when the ball went up, it was as if there were two different schools out there tonight. Each team wanted to win, and you could see that by how the players treated their "opponents." IE - it wasn't as if a Blue was congratulating a Gold for a great play... They wanted their team to win, and they had their game faces on... if that makes any sense... ;)
No seniors on this team, so the future looks good... Lot of WIAC teams were young last year, though, so it's going to be a matter of who improved and added the most during the offseason, and who continues to improve during the course of the year...
The two teams were split into squads of 8 (Gold), with the 7 returnees, and maybe four, or all five starters???
and 9 (White), with three returnees, two transfers and four freshmen. Two potential starters? So, I thought it would be perhaps onesided, but it was tied, or within two, at half, if I remember correctly. But then Golds pulled away for a 60-49 win...
Stats show Heidi Arciszewski and Michelle Burns, both with 18, to lead the Golds. Burns also had 10 boards. Good to see her, and Rachel Mueggenborg, back healthy...
Heather Wiit had 12 points and 8 boards for the Blues...
I'm not sure what the starting lineup will be - Burns, Arciszewski and Ashley Anderson, and Brittani Hakanson. Mueggenborg or Witt? I don't know how it will end up - I really am impressed with Witt - but I think she may be better suited off the bench? She did provide a lot of spark last year, but did show a lot of hustle and leadership tonight...
Guard matchups tonight - Witt and Mueggenborg vs. Arciszewski and Angie Foschi = was fun to watch. They all bring something different to the court, and will provide great depth, no matter who starts...
I think Zenner played a key role off the bench, too. She'd be my sixth, first off the bench.
Not to slight the others, but I'm not sure I can make fair assessments on them based on seeing them just tonight. I liked a little bit of what each of them had to contribute, though. Looks like each one can address a specific area...
I liked the intensity on D on both sides. I also liked the competitiveness between the two teams. Although they ultimately comprise one team, when the ball went up, it was as if there were two different schools out there tonight. Each team wanted to win, and you could see that by how the players treated their "opponents." IE - it wasn't as if a Blue was congratulating a Gold for a great play... They wanted their team to win, and they had their game faces on... if that makes any sense... ;)
No seniors on this team, so the future looks good... Lot of WIAC teams were young last year, though, so it's going to be a matter of who improved and added the most during the offseason, and who continues to improve during the course of the year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dark Knight on November 02, 2006, 06:17:49 AM
Post by: Dark Knight on November 02, 2006, 06:17:49 AM
Quote from: EagleAlum on November 02, 2006, 12:06:46 AM
bulk- I firmly believe the D1-D3 gap is bigger in women's; heck not only D1-D3 but D1-D2 or High D1 to Mid-Major D1.
...
Right now I just think the pool of men's players is so much deeper that a really good D-3 has the strength, size, and athleticism gap much smaller than the women do.
You can see the effects of the smaller talent pool even between better and worse teams in D3. According to last year's Massey ratings (http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1), the 75th-percentile D3 women's team would be a 19 point favorite over the 25th-percentile team, while for men the difference is 14 points.
The men's team with the highest power rating (Wittenberg) would be a 69-point favorite over lowly Daniel Webster, but last year's Hope team would be a eye-opening 137-point favorite over Mt. Mary, who had results such as a 7-98 loss against Upper Iowa (6-23).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2006, 10:19:07 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2006, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: foul_language on November 01, 2006, 04:25:27 PM
A 'what would you do in this hypothetical situation' question:
You're a coach (any level, doesn't matter); you have a pretty good team of players, several players at each position who can handle it, not much difference between them--not significant. One player tells you he/she won't play unless he/she starts.
What is your response?
If they're good enough to start I tell them, "you will be."
If they're on the bubble I tell them, "you're close but need to do A, B and C to crack the starting lineup.
If I can only see them as a sub I tell them, "you'll play a substitute role and need to work on A, B and C to see more court time."
If that isn't good enough I tell them, "Stay in school, get your degree and enjoy the intramural program while you're here."
I think a coach owes it to a player to tell them honestly and specifically what they have to get better at if they want more time on the floor. Then it's up to the player to decide what to do with that information. Stay and work, stay and be a student or go elsewhere.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 02, 2006, 10:43:57 AM
Post by: foul_language on November 02, 2006, 10:43:57 AM
The hypothetical situation pretty clearly is a question of who has power on the team. If the player is obviously better than everyone, he or she wouldn't have to issue ultimatum. Once the challenge has been made, does it matter if the player is better or worse than others? The set up indicates there is some question about a starting spot, and perhaps there should be on a good team. Each game poses its own set of challenges and different players may be useful for different games. That's why there has to be some sense of who's running the team--coach or players? If players work under the assumption that they are too valuable to lose, the power shifts. Can players be objective about individual game strategies if they're focused on their own importance?
How many times have you seen players in games they shouldn't be in? I'd rather the coach be making bad decisions about that than the players controlling the line-up.
Then, again, maybe the importance of 'starting' could be debated.
How many times have you seen players in games they shouldn't be in? I'd rather the coach be making bad decisions about that than the players controlling the line-up.
Then, again, maybe the importance of 'starting' could be debated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 11:56:12 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 11:56:12 AM
the preseason rankings are out....
UW Stout and UW L get into the top 25 with UWSP receiving votes.....
UW Stout and UW L get into the top 25 with UWSP receiving votes.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
Great early test at a tip-off tournament for Eau Claire. They get #9 Baldwin-Wallace in the first game, and then a potential match against #4, and defending national champion, Hope in the second game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 12:15:13 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 12:15:13 PM
Previews for tonight's exhibiton game:
From UWSP:
http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006-07/wbboct31notes.pdf
From UW:
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/wbb/headlines/story.html?sportid=135&storyid=9578
You'll notice UW simply pulled all their UWSP info word-for-word from the UWSP preview.
From UWSP:
http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006-07/wbboct31notes.pdf
From UW:
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/wbb/headlines/story.html?sportid=135&storyid=9578
You'll notice UW simply pulled all their UWSP info word-for-word from the UWSP preview.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on November 02, 2006, 01:27:51 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on November 02, 2006, 01:27:51 PM
back to the pre-season picks...what are the feelings out there??
Also anyword on the media day outcomes....it should be interesting to see if the WIAC pre-seasons are similair (Stout, LaX, SP)
Also anyword on the media day outcomes....it should be interesting to see if the WIAC pre-seasons are similair (Stout, LaX, SP)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2006, 01:59:16 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2006, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: laxeaglepride on November 02, 2006, 01:27:51 PM
back to the pre-season picks...what are the feelings out there??
Also anyword on the media day outcomes....it should be interesting to see if the WIAC pre-seasons are similair (Stout, LaX, SP)
Media day is today.
I just don't know the women's teams well enough to rank them intelligently. Anyway, I always pick WHITEWATERlol
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
preseason picks or educated guesses as we can call them ;)....
1. Stout/UWSP I predict a season split with a showdown in conference tourney
2. UWL
3. UWW (I hate to say it but i believe they are a top 4 team talent wise...as for them executing it....that will be another story
4. UWEC-well coached always decent no matter who they have
5. UWP-I agree this one will take a while to build with the newcomers
6. UWRF
7. UWO ( I know I will get grief for this one)
8. UWSUP
1. Stout/UWSP I predict a season split with a showdown in conference tourney
2. UWL
3. UWW (I hate to say it but i believe they are a top 4 team talent wise...as for them executing it....that will be another story
4. UWEC-well coached always decent no matter who they have
5. UWP-I agree this one will take a while to build with the newcomers
6. UWRF
7. UWO ( I know I will get grief for this one)
8. UWSUP
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 02:34:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 02:34:52 PM
I think Whitewater and Platteville are the two real mysteries. You could slot them anywhere from 4th to 8th and make a reasonable argument why you put them there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on November 02, 2006, 02:40:08 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on November 02, 2006, 02:40:08 PM
Conference picks
1. Stout - loaded, strong senior leadership and have both the post and perimeter game
2. UWL - should be even stronger than last year
UWL and Stout should be in the top tier. Stout should win their 3rd Championship in a row. I think it will be a big year for Stout. The next tier of teams...........
3. UWSP/UWW/UWRF/UWEC - toss up. Depends on if they can upset Stout or UWL and not lose agaist a team on the bottom of the conference. UWRF is a veteran team, with solid guard and post play. UWW and UWEC have solid JR/Soph classes and if their newcomers can contribute will be a factor. UWSP, replacing Schultz will be huge and getting a true point guard.
7. UWO - only 10/11 players, wow. The end of the season and their conditioning should play a huge factor. They always seem to start strong, but start a downward slide in mid January.
8. UWP - ??
9. UWSUP - hopefully the new coach can get them some wins and move the program forward.
I think UWRF is the dark horse in the conference. They are much better than they are given credit for. UWW could end up third, or could even fall to 7th ir 8th. It is too bad Baker cold never be fully healthy for them.
Conference Champion - Stout
Tournament Champion - Stout (beating UWL in a tough game)
POY - Duoss
NCAA tournament reps - UWL, Stout Finally get 2 teams in!!!
1. Stout - loaded, strong senior leadership and have both the post and perimeter game
2. UWL - should be even stronger than last year
UWL and Stout should be in the top tier. Stout should win their 3rd Championship in a row. I think it will be a big year for Stout. The next tier of teams...........
3. UWSP/UWW/UWRF/UWEC - toss up. Depends on if they can upset Stout or UWL and not lose agaist a team on the bottom of the conference. UWRF is a veteran team, with solid guard and post play. UWW and UWEC have solid JR/Soph classes and if their newcomers can contribute will be a factor. UWSP, replacing Schultz will be huge and getting a true point guard.
7. UWO - only 10/11 players, wow. The end of the season and their conditioning should play a huge factor. They always seem to start strong, but start a downward slide in mid January.
8. UWP - ??
9. UWSUP - hopefully the new coach can get them some wins and move the program forward.
I think UWRF is the dark horse in the conference. They are much better than they are given credit for. UWW could end up third, or could even fall to 7th ir 8th. It is too bad Baker cold never be fully healthy for them.
Conference Champion - Stout
Tournament Champion - Stout (beating UWL in a tough game)
POY - Duoss
NCAA tournament reps - UWL, Stout Finally get 2 teams in!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 04:50:32 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 04:50:32 PM
WIAC Women's Basketball Preview and Preseason Poll
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/0607prev.html
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/0607prev.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
D-III UW-Stevens Point leads Wisconsin at halftime 34-32. Point led by as much as 13 in the first half.
Live Scoring: http://www.uwbadgers.com/live/wbb/quick.htm
Video Stream: http://www.uwbadgers.com/
Live Scoring: http://www.uwbadgers.com/live/wbb/quick.htm
Video Stream: http://www.uwbadgers.com/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 09:56:20 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2006, 09:56:20 PM
Badgers pull away in second half for a 77-58 win. UWSP represented the league well. Haley Houghton led Point with 21 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 10:38:13 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 02, 2006, 10:38:13 PM
wow...i guess my pick wasn't too off tonight....Point gave the fans hope but the Badgers eventually showed why they are a D1 team.....my guess is if Lechault wouldn't have picked up two quick ones in teh second it might have been a closer second half....oh well...WIAC was represented well tonight!
props to Coach Egner and her staff....the Pointers were prepared and ready to go right from the start ;D there is a lot of season to go.....can't wait to see what happens!
props to Coach Egner and her staff....the Pointers were prepared and ready to go right from the start ;D there is a lot of season to go.....can't wait to see what happens!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: titan2000 on November 11, 2006, 06:20:50 PM
Post by: titan2000 on November 11, 2006, 06:20:50 PM
Anybody home ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 12, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
Post by: buf on November 12, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
Yea
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 12:04:10 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 12:04:10 AM
I'll try to stay away from making conference selections (don't want to throw in any bias). I did want to make a few "observations" on the SID's poll and other's predictions.
- River Falls, both in the SID's, and with the people, is way underrated. They only lost one player, Biteler, who was an important piece, but according to the website, Chantelle Melgaard is back after taking off last season. She averaged 8.6 as a junior two years ago and is a tough guard. Traci Reimann might be the most underrated player in the league, averaging a double-double last year. She got injured down the stretch and missed a couple huge games late that may have cost them a home game in the first round. They have great size besides with Lindman and Preiner and Cordes on the perimeter can also shoot it.
They can stretch the defense cause they shoot so many threes but their best player is a really good post who can score all day 1-on-1. Against Stout and Duoss she had 27 one night and 13 and 13 the next.
Plus they play a 2-3 zone which no one else really plays. They make you do something different to prepare for them. Plus for some reason their gym is tough to play in;6-2 in the league at home last year.
- La Crosse being pick fourth in the SID poll is puzzling. Return all five starters; lose no one (who wasn't injured) from a team that finished ahead of Eau Claire. Correct me if I'm wrong but Becker and Van Drasek are gone right? None of the kids they added are as good now, as the two they lost. I understand they were young last year; so was La Crosse and half the rest of the league. Don't get me wrong I think Eau Claire is very good; I would probably have them 3rd behind Stout and LX, but how they leapfrog La Crosse is weird. And, yeah, I know predictions don't matter, it's still makes me think peoplebelieve last year was a fluke with the Eagles.
La Crosse does get back Lindsay Wahl, a 6'1 post who averaged 6 and 5 as a freshman. She missed all of last year along with Koss. La Crosse has lost one key bench player in the preseason to knee injury. Snakebitten with knee injuries a little bit.
- Which brings me to Stout. They are definitely the odds on favorites. I don't think they'll run the table, but I do think there are only about 3 or 4 teams that can beat them. But one thing that goes overlooked and is a huge part of their success. They don't lose games to injury, ever. Last year they played 30 games; 9 of their players played in 30; Duoss 29 with one wedding, and Amanda Geissler had 28. Two years ago they played 31 games it looks like Oelkers missed five, that's it, and I think Boese had an injury as a freshman that had her sit out, whether she would have been a factor, not sure. Either way, Amazing. So it looks like they've had about 7 games missed for their key players.
Eau Claire lost Burns and Muggenborg; Point had Schultz, Neuenfeldt and Kranz miss a game or two (including the day Stout crushed them); Oshkosh had O'Keefe sick for a couple and Eggers played a few minutes somewhere and had to leave sick (although they were relatively healthy); La Crosse lost Koss, Wahl, and then Stachula for the playoffs; River Falls lost Reimann and Melgaard; Whitewater lost Baker.
Point is, Stout has done a great job staying healthy. Wish I knew the secret. A lot has to do with how many kids they play and how their best players aren't playing 35-40 minutes. Maybe that's enough to convince other teams to trust some of their depth to stay healthy. Not taking away anything from Stout's talent, but we saw last year at Point what happens when one of the horses is out.
That's already too much, I'll shut up. But yeah titan, we're here
- River Falls, both in the SID's, and with the people, is way underrated. They only lost one player, Biteler, who was an important piece, but according to the website, Chantelle Melgaard is back after taking off last season. She averaged 8.6 as a junior two years ago and is a tough guard. Traci Reimann might be the most underrated player in the league, averaging a double-double last year. She got injured down the stretch and missed a couple huge games late that may have cost them a home game in the first round. They have great size besides with Lindman and Preiner and Cordes on the perimeter can also shoot it.
They can stretch the defense cause they shoot so many threes but their best player is a really good post who can score all day 1-on-1. Against Stout and Duoss she had 27 one night and 13 and 13 the next.
Plus they play a 2-3 zone which no one else really plays. They make you do something different to prepare for them. Plus for some reason their gym is tough to play in;6-2 in the league at home last year.
- La Crosse being pick fourth in the SID poll is puzzling. Return all five starters; lose no one (who wasn't injured) from a team that finished ahead of Eau Claire. Correct me if I'm wrong but Becker and Van Drasek are gone right? None of the kids they added are as good now, as the two they lost. I understand they were young last year; so was La Crosse and half the rest of the league. Don't get me wrong I think Eau Claire is very good; I would probably have them 3rd behind Stout and LX, but how they leapfrog La Crosse is weird. And, yeah, I know predictions don't matter, it's still makes me think peoplebelieve last year was a fluke with the Eagles.
La Crosse does get back Lindsay Wahl, a 6'1 post who averaged 6 and 5 as a freshman. She missed all of last year along with Koss. La Crosse has lost one key bench player in the preseason to knee injury. Snakebitten with knee injuries a little bit.
- Which brings me to Stout. They are definitely the odds on favorites. I don't think they'll run the table, but I do think there are only about 3 or 4 teams that can beat them. But one thing that goes overlooked and is a huge part of their success. They don't lose games to injury, ever. Last year they played 30 games; 9 of their players played in 30; Duoss 29 with one wedding, and Amanda Geissler had 28. Two years ago they played 31 games it looks like Oelkers missed five, that's it, and I think Boese had an injury as a freshman that had her sit out, whether she would have been a factor, not sure. Either way, Amazing. So it looks like they've had about 7 games missed for their key players.
Eau Claire lost Burns and Muggenborg; Point had Schultz, Neuenfeldt and Kranz miss a game or two (including the day Stout crushed them); Oshkosh had O'Keefe sick for a couple and Eggers played a few minutes somewhere and had to leave sick (although they were relatively healthy); La Crosse lost Koss, Wahl, and then Stachula for the playoffs; River Falls lost Reimann and Melgaard; Whitewater lost Baker.
Point is, Stout has done a great job staying healthy. Wish I knew the secret. A lot has to do with how many kids they play and how their best players aren't playing 35-40 minutes. Maybe that's enough to convince other teams to trust some of their depth to stay healthy. Not taking away anything from Stout's talent, but we saw last year at Point what happens when one of the horses is out.
That's already too much, I'll shut up. But yeah titan, we're here
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 14, 2006, 09:01:54 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 14, 2006, 09:01:54 AM
Since you mentioned Stachula, I see her name isn't on this year's roster. Any idea why?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 11:11:48 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 11:11:48 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 14, 2006, 09:01:54 AM
Since you mentioned Stachula, I see her name isn't on this year's roster. Any idea why?
Torn knee in preseason
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 14, 2006, 10:06:45 PM
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 14, 2006, 10:06:45 PM
Anyone know who UW-O scrimmaged? Did anyone see one of their scrimmages? I know they have a thin roster this season, but I'm just curious to know if anyone has actually seen them yet this season.......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 10:39:22 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 14, 2006, 10:39:22 PM
They are gonna struggle. No I haven't seen them but if there's anyone on the predicitions who is too high, it's Oshkosh. Knapp is a nice player and Tyriver was a great role player who, I have no doubt, will elevate her game; she has to. But the rest of the roster is inexperienced and their freshman group is okay but may not have an impact kid that can come in and score 8 or so a game. In the WIAC two good players is not enough, especially when the other 7, sans Superior, all probably have more talent. They are going to have to coach them up; big time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 14, 2006, 10:43:25 PM
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 14, 2006, 10:43:25 PM
Thanks EagleAlum. I was looking up their JUCO transfer LaBonte and it's very obvious (to most) that the JUCO ranks are quite different from the WIAC. I thought maybe she'd pick up some of the scoring load, but she's definitely going to have to adjust to the physicality and athleticism in this league. Strange to hear UW-O associated with the word "struggle."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on November 15, 2006, 12:19:42 PM
Post by: Bballer on November 15, 2006, 12:19:42 PM
Hey, i hear that Brooke H. from UWEC is not playing anymore, i dont really no the reason but i heard it was legitimate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2006, 09:08:41 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2006, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: Bballer on November 15, 2006, 12:19:42 PM
Hey, i hear that Brooke H. from UWEC is not playing anymore, i dont really no the reason but i heard it was legitimate.
If in fact she did quit, it may have something to do with a medical condition. Last year she sat out a few games with a medical condition that made her feel tired, according to the local newspaper. If she is gone, thats one less 3-point shooter for EC. She was one of the better 3-point shooters last year. EC is really desperate for good perimeter shoooting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2006, 10:17:37 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2006, 10:17:37 PM
Brooke Hakanson played in the Blugolds' intrasquad game on Nov. 1, and is on the roster...
If indeed it is true she won't be back, it would be a very recent development...We will find out this weekend...
If indeed it is true she won't be back, it would be a very recent development...We will find out this weekend...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 15, 2006, 11:42:20 PM
Post by: wiac482002 on November 15, 2006, 11:42:20 PM
Come to find out she left because of academic decisions.....transferring I heard?
Talked with some Titans...they scrimmaged Cardinal Stritch...got beat pretty badly, along with some Titan Alum and were beat again. Knapp and another were sat most the entire scrimmage after Schumacher supposedly unloaded on them for their play.
Sounds as if UWO will not be able to replace Eggers, O'Keefe, Herrick, and Fehring....senior leadership is gone along with about 80% scoring....when your next person back averages under 10 a game you are not going to win many games. I see them finishing 6th or 7th with Superior maybe gaining their first win on account of the Titans
Talked with some Titans...they scrimmaged Cardinal Stritch...got beat pretty badly, along with some Titan Alum and were beat again. Knapp and another were sat most the entire scrimmage after Schumacher supposedly unloaded on them for their play.
Sounds as if UWO will not be able to replace Eggers, O'Keefe, Herrick, and Fehring....senior leadership is gone along with about 80% scoring....when your next person back averages under 10 a game you are not going to win many games. I see them finishing 6th or 7th with Superior maybe gaining their first win on account of the Titans
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 16, 2006, 12:29:05 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 16, 2006, 12:29:05 PM
that is too bad about Oshkosh but everyone has to come down sometime...I am sure they won't stay down too long...too much tradition....
looks like a lot of good games this weekend. quite a few in region games for many WIAC schools...Point/Lawrence, Stout/Benedictine, Oshkosh at Lake Forest Tourney....should bring for some interesting scores come Sunday morning...
any predictions on games???
looks like a lot of good games this weekend. quite a few in region games for many WIAC schools...Point/Lawrence, Stout/Benedictine, Oshkosh at Lake Forest Tourney....should bring for some interesting scores come Sunday morning...
any predictions on games???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2006, 08:48:44 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2006, 08:48:44 PM
My opening weekend predictions (please no wagering, especially with my track record):
EC loses to Baldwin-Wallace but beats Davenport
OSH beats Augustana and pulls out a close one over Lake Forest
PLT beats Ripon and Clarke, but SUP only beats Clarke
SP beats Lawrence and St. Scholastica
ST beats Benedictine and Carroll
WW loses to Wilmington but beats St. Mary's, Ind.
LC knocks off Winona St.
EC loses to Baldwin-Wallace but beats Davenport
OSH beats Augustana and pulls out a close one over Lake Forest
PLT beats Ripon and Clarke, but SUP only beats Clarke
SP beats Lawrence and St. Scholastica
ST beats Benedictine and Carroll
WW loses to Wilmington but beats St. Mary's, Ind.
LC knocks off Winona St.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 03:03:13 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2006, 08:48:44 PM
My opening weekend predictions (please no wagering, especially with my track record):
EC loses to Baldwin-Wallace but beats Davenport
OSH beats Augustana and pulls out a close one over Lake Forest
PLT beats Ripon and Clarke, but SUP only beats Clarke
SP beats Lawrence and St. Scholastica
ST beats Benedictine and Carroll
WW loses to Wilmington but beats St. Mary's, Ind.
LC knocks off Winona St.
I would have to agree with those predictions, but I HOPE that EC wins tonight to set up a battle against HOPE tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 17, 2006, 03:09:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 17, 2006, 03:09:14 PM
What a shot in the arm it would be to that Blugold squad if they could knock off two ranked teams on opening weekend. Heck, even one win and a "good" loss against those two would be a confidence builder.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 07:03:36 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 07:03:36 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 17, 2006, 03:09:14 PM
What a shot in the arm it would be to that Blugold squad if they could knock off two ranked teams on opening weekend. Heck, even one win and a "good" loss against those two would be a confidence builder.
It looks like they won't get that shot. Its BW 39 EC 18 early in the 2nd Half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
EC made a run to cut it to 12 with 7min left but eventually falls 68-50. Played a lot better in the 2nd half. Got outrebouded 52-30. Burns led the way with 21pts and 8rebs but no help.
In other action:
Stout hammers Benedictine. Of course Duoss leads the way,
UWO leading Augustana at the half 39-19. Knapp the top scorer and newcomer Sharpee playing well. Don't count Titans out yet. Augustana has 21 turnovers at the half.
UWW blows 9 point lead with 8min to go and loses to Wilmington. Tiffany Morton led the way for WW with 12pts and 12rebs in 20min of action.
In other action:
Stout hammers Benedictine. Of course Duoss leads the way,
UWO leading Augustana at the half 39-19. Knapp the top scorer and newcomer Sharpee playing well. Don't count Titans out yet. Augustana has 21 turnovers at the half.
UWW blows 9 point lead with 8min to go and loses to Wilmington. Tiffany Morton led the way for WW with 12pts and 12rebs in 20min of action.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 17, 2006, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 17, 2006, 09:30:06 PM
wow...surprised to see Oshkosh doing so well....I guess predictions sometimes turn into poo....
Surprised to see WW fall....
Stout no surprise....
Point beating Lawrence by 10 late in second half....20+ turnovers it looks like.....ouch...
Surprised to see WW fall....
Stout no surprise....
Point beating Lawrence by 10 late in second half....20+ turnovers it looks like.....ouch...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 10:40:23 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 10:40:23 AM
Not trying to toot my own horn, but I believe I got every Friday night game correct! Toot, toot!
Don't put too much stock into Oshkosh yet. Augustana was a distant last in the CCIW last year, and likely wil be again. I was impressed that Whitewater hung tough with Wilmington. Wilmington is only two years removed from a national title and will likely be in the tournament again. As for Point, same old story. Hot shooting, good defense, but if they can't trim the turnovers they will have problems against the good teams.
Don't put too much stock into Oshkosh yet. Augustana was a distant last in the CCIW last year, and likely wil be again. I was impressed that Whitewater hung tough with Wilmington. Wilmington is only two years removed from a national title and will likely be in the tournament again. As for Point, same old story. Hot shooting, good defense, but if they can't trim the turnovers they will have problems against the good teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 18, 2006, 06:20:13 PM
Post by: buf on November 18, 2006, 06:20:13 PM
EC wins by 7. No details
UWO leads by 10 at the half, but gets blown out in the 2nd half as they lose by 15. Knapp, Tyriver and Sharpee lead the way. I expect these 3 to lead the way pretty much every game.
Point leads 42-12 in the 2nd Half over Viterbo, which is only 5-33 from the field.
UWO leads by 10 at the half, but gets blown out in the 2nd half as they lose by 15. Knapp, Tyriver and Sharpee lead the way. I expect these 3 to lead the way pretty much every game.
Point leads 42-12 in the 2nd Half over Viterbo, which is only 5-33 from the field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 08:18:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 08:18:33 PM
UW-L trails D-II Winona State 56-52 with 7:36 to go.
Platte. beat Ripon 88-77.
Platte. beat Ripon 88-77.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2006, 08:22:11 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2006, 08:22:11 PM
As buf reported, UWEC 72-65 over Davenport...
Keys to the Blugold win were torrid shooting percentage in the second half, and rebounding. Held a 51-36 edge on the glass. Both were improvements over last night's efforts, a 68-50 loss to Baldwin-Wallace...
Game was weird - Davenport jumped out early, had a 22-10 lead. Thought, here we go again. Seems like the 'Golds got behind a lot last year, too, and were unable to dig out of the first half holes they created. But then 'Golds went on a run and closed to within 1, at 22-21. Davenport then went on an 18-run the last 6 minutes or so of the half, to go into the locker room up 40-21. Panthers were not afraid to shoot the three, either, hitting five in the first half.
In the second half, down 59-44, 'the Golds went on a 20-0 run, to take a 64-59 lead, then held on the last four minutes.
Michelle Burns had 14 points and 12 rebounds. Heidi Arciszewski's 18 points were tops, and she chipped in 10 boards, too. Other key stats were the 'Golds only having 13 turnovers, and making 14-16 from the free throw line.
But the stats of the day belong to Erin Voelker, who was a spark off the bench in the second half. She had 10 points in just 9 minutes of play... She and another transfer, Missy Fremstad, who starts, will be key contributors to this team's success this year, I do believe...
Thanks to Sports Radio 1400 for broadcasting these games from Michigan...
Keys to the Blugold win were torrid shooting percentage in the second half, and rebounding. Held a 51-36 edge on the glass. Both were improvements over last night's efforts, a 68-50 loss to Baldwin-Wallace...
Game was weird - Davenport jumped out early, had a 22-10 lead. Thought, here we go again. Seems like the 'Golds got behind a lot last year, too, and were unable to dig out of the first half holes they created. But then 'Golds went on a run and closed to within 1, at 22-21. Davenport then went on an 18-run the last 6 minutes or so of the half, to go into the locker room up 40-21. Panthers were not afraid to shoot the three, either, hitting five in the first half.
In the second half, down 59-44, 'the Golds went on a 20-0 run, to take a 64-59 lead, then held on the last four minutes.
Michelle Burns had 14 points and 12 rebounds. Heidi Arciszewski's 18 points were tops, and she chipped in 10 boards, too. Other key stats were the 'Golds only having 13 turnovers, and making 14-16 from the free throw line.
But the stats of the day belong to Erin Voelker, who was a spark off the bench in the second half. She had 10 points in just 9 minutes of play... She and another transfer, Missy Fremstad, who starts, will be key contributors to this team's success this year, I do believe...
Thanks to Sports Radio 1400 for broadcasting these games from Michigan...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 19, 2006, 12:50:53 AM
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 19, 2006, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 18, 2006, 10:40:23 AM
Not trying to toot my own horn, but I believe I got every Friday night game correct! Toot, toot!
Don't put too much stock into Oshkosh yet. Augustana was a distant last in the CCIW last year, and likely wil be again. I was impressed that Whitewater hung tough with Wilmington. Wilmington is only two years removed from a national title and will likely be in the tournament again. As for Point, same old story. Hot shooting, good defense, but if they can't trim the turnovers they will have problems against the good teams.
Augustana is a very inexperienced squad, but I wouldn't put a prediction on them yet. Their new coach has been able to get programs going in the right direction. UW-O played ok. It was obvious it was the first game for both however. Knapp, Tyriver, and Sharpee played decently, but I don't know if they'll be able to hang in the WIAC. Hebl is going to be a nice player for them with the more experience she gets and that's going to be key for them as the season progresses. Saw some bright spots today as well and looking forward to the rest of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 19, 2006, 12:54:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 19, 2006, 12:54:34 PM
The only pick I missed this weekend was UW-L over Winona State. Vegas, here I come!
Not surprised by Oshkosh losing to Lake Forest, but definitely surprised by how they lost. This is not the Oshkosh team I am familiar with.
Not surprised by Oshkosh losing to Lake Forest, but definitely surprised by how they lost. This is not the Oshkosh team I am familiar with.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2006, 08:14:02 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2006, 08:14:02 PM
UW-Stevens Point gets WLC on the road tomorrow night. Sounds like a stiff test for the Warriors. Have to put my heart above my head, and say the Warriors end up losing by at least 15. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2006, 11:01:27 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2006, 11:01:27 AM
The WARHAWKS scored first and were tied only once at 12-12 before going on an 18-5 run and leading Edgewood by 22, 47-25 at half. The final was 83-65. Mary Donohoo paced the team with 13 points while Lyndsey Buechner had a nice stat line with 12 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks in 17 minutes. WW dominated the boards with 26 offensive rebounds. The spread would have been worse but Edgewood was 28/32 from the free throw line.
Edgewood dressed eight players and two only played for 3 minutes apiece. Megan Scheele played well for them. She has really good footwork around the basket and ended up with 34 points.
Halfway through the NBA-like schedule of 6 games in 9 days theWARHAWK women are 2-1.
Edgewood dressed eight players and two only played for 3 minutes apiece. Megan Scheele played well for them. She has really good footwork around the basket and ended up with 34 points.
Halfway through the NBA-like schedule of 6 games in 9 days theWARHAWK women are 2-1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 11:12:09 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2006, 08:14:02 PM
UW-Stevens Point gets WLC on the road tomorrow night. Sounds like a stiff test for the Warriors. Have to put my heart above my head, and say the Warriors end up losing by at least 15. ;)
Your heart picked UWSP by 15. My God, what would your head say, UWSP by 40?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 12:27:12 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 12:27:12 PM
You WIAC schools have had WLC's number. UW-Eau Claire blew the Warriors out in NCAA in 2003, and UW-Oshkosh did likewise in NCAA in 2000. (And that WLC team had Sara Zondag, who hails from that in-state basketball hotbed known as Randolph, WI on it).
A 40-point differential in your favor wouldn't surprise me, just on Point's all-around size advantage alone. ;)
A 40-point differential in your favor wouldn't surprise me, just on Point's all-around size advantage alone. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 21, 2006, 04:24:10 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 21, 2006, 04:24:10 PM
yeah I would expect a very large margin of win for the Pointers.....Although isn't WLC improved from last year?
I could be way off on this one....
I could be way off on this one....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 21, 2006, 04:43:48 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 21, 2006, 04:43:48 PM
Nobody is questioning that Oshkosh will be restocking this season.
Remember, Coach Ruder didn't bother even trying to recruit her last year, because many of us believe that she knew she was going, and didn't bother wasting time to recruit when she was going to leave anyway.
So this is really Oshkosh's first recruiting class, seeing Schumacher was hired in August, and lost valuable time.
What will be interesting with the Titans, is to see how they do in the conference tourney. I remember the men's team three years ago was extremely young, and surprised Whitewater in the first round.
Remember, Coach Ruder didn't bother even trying to recruit her last year, because many of us believe that she knew she was going, and didn't bother wasting time to recruit when she was going to leave anyway.
So this is really Oshkosh's first recruiting class, seeing Schumacher was hired in August, and lost valuable time.
What will be interesting with the Titans, is to see how they do in the conference tourney. I remember the men's team three years ago was extremely young, and surprised Whitewater in the first round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 05:20:25 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on November 21, 2006, 04:24:10 PM;)
yeah I would expect a very large margin of win for the Pointers.....Although isn't WLC improved from last year?
I could be way off on this one....
Kami Ten Pas is back and at full strength and several sophomores are poised to make more noise, but I'm giving the Pointers their due because given Stevens Points' height advantage all around, unless WLC has an incredibly good night shooting, the Pointers win going away. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:18:12 PM
Post by: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:18:12 PM
UWEC wins 63-55 (I think) over St. Norberts. EC looked really bad in the 1st half with the exception of Burns, however St Norberts also looked pretty bad, committing a whole bunch of turnovers. The halftime score was 25-20 St. N.
EC had a lot more energy in the 2nd as both teams played better. EC had a good 1st 10min when they broke out to a 6 point lead. St Norberts took the lead back around the 5min mark, but EC played well down the stretch to pull out the victory.
EC still needs to improve quite a bit if they want to improve over last years record. They really miss Becker's ball handling and penetration. Also need someone to hit 3-pointers.
EC had a lot more energy in the 2nd as both teams played better. EC had a good 1st 10min when they broke out to a 6 point lead. St Norberts took the lead back around the 5min mark, but EC played well down the stretch to pull out the victory.
EC still needs to improve quite a bit if they want to improve over last years record. They really miss Becker's ball handling and penetration. Also need someone to hit 3-pointers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 10:27:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 10:27:19 PM
Tuesday scores:
Eau Claire 63, St. Norbert 55
La Crosse 63, Viterbo 44
Ripon 66, Oshkosh 63 (OUCH!)
Stevens Point 99, Wis. Lutheran 64
Stout 89, Northwestern (Minn.) 45
River Falls 76, Hamline 51
Northland at Superior (No report and it was a 5:00 start?)
Eau Claire 63, St. Norbert 55
La Crosse 63, Viterbo 44
Ripon 66, Oshkosh 63 (OUCH!)
Stevens Point 99, Wis. Lutheran 64
Stout 89, Northwestern (Minn.) 45
River Falls 76, Hamline 51
Northland at Superior (No report and it was a 5:00 start?)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:44:49 PM
Post by: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:44:49 PM
River Falls wins big over Hamline.
An interesting comparison:
Superior loses by one at Ripon this past weekend. UWO loses to Ripon by 3 at home tonight.
I think this shows how deep the WIAC will be this year. From top to bottom this could be one of the best years for the conference. Surprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.
An interesting comparison:
Superior loses by one at Ripon this past weekend. UWO loses to Ripon by 3 at home tonight.
I think this shows how deep the WIAC will be this year. From top to bottom this could be one of the best years for the conference. Surprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 11:05:10 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 11:05:10 PM
While UWO is down their former coach is up...
Pam Ruder's Southwestern (Tex.) squad upsets #7 Hardin-Simmons 66-64 in OT tonight.
Pam Ruder's Southwestern (Tex.) squad upsets #7 Hardin-Simmons 66-64 in OT tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on November 21, 2006, 11:18:34 PM
Post by: foul_language on November 21, 2006, 11:18:34 PM
Superior women beat Northland College by ten or thereabouts. Missed most of the game. Stout plays at Northland on Sunday. Could be ugly. Superior men snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 21, 2006, 11:40:17 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 21, 2006, 11:40:17 PM
As buf noted, Blugolds win... Had to grind it out...
Michelle Burns led the way with 21 points, most inside the paint, and nine boards. She had half of the 'Golds' points at halftime (10), as they trailed 25-20. Rachel Mueggenborg had 6 in the first half to help keep the 'Golds in it...
Brittanni Hakanson had some clutch plays, doing a little bit of everything, in the final four minutes, when the game was a one-point difference... She had free throws, boards, an assist, a hoop or two, and took a charge, too.
Heidi Arciszewski had a quiet 13; they seemed to shut her down, frustrating her. But she did have a nice 5-point run when the 'Golds were leading 54-53, to basically put it out of reach at 59-53.
...
Michelle Burns led the way with 21 points, most inside the paint, and nine boards. She had half of the 'Golds' points at halftime (10), as they trailed 25-20. Rachel Mueggenborg had 6 in the first half to help keep the 'Golds in it...
Brittanni Hakanson had some clutch plays, doing a little bit of everything, in the final four minutes, when the game was a one-point difference... She had free throws, boards, an assist, a hoop or two, and took a charge, too.
Heidi Arciszewski had a quiet 13; they seemed to shut her down, frustrating her. But she did have a nice 5-point run when the 'Golds were leading 54-53, to basically put it out of reach at 59-53.
...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 07:13:45 AM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 07:13:45 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 21, 2006, 10:27:19 PM
Tuesday scores:
Eau Claire 63, St. Norbert 55
La Crosse 63, Viterbo 44
Ripon 66, Oshkosh 63 (OUCH!)
Stevens Point 99, Wis. Lutheran 64
Stout 89, Northwestern (Minn.) 45
River Falls 76, Hamline 51
Northland at Superior (No report and it was a 5:00 start?)
Heard the Pointers shot 61% for the game in their win last night! When it goes good, it really goes good. . . :o ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 22, 2006, 08:59:15 AM
Post by: BDB on November 22, 2006, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:44:49 PMSurprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.
buf, based on the past few years you might want to make that 3 traditional powers, or 4 actually. Hard to leave out Point. ;)
From what I saw last night, Stout has it's best team ever.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 22, 2006, 11:24:42 AM
Post by: wiac482002 on November 22, 2006, 11:24:42 AM
Looks like Oshkosh will have a down year now that their studs have left. Sure maybe Ruder didnt recruit after she left but would you? She left that summer to go to another program that needed her help, she knew UWO would be solid for a year after she left and Schoonover did most the recruiting anyway. The real problem Terri has now is that Schoonover has since moved on (Coaching golf at Stout) so she has to learn to actually recruit on her own, not rely so much on Kris.
As for around the league....no surprises with LAX beating up on Viterbo or Stout or Point dominating. Questions still in the air for EC. Can someone actually step up and LEAD this team since there are no seniors? Sure they have the players to win but to get far or win the WIAC thats another question.
We shall see how they do come the 29th when they face Stout and UWO takes on Point
EC comes with the upset (they are at Zorn which helps) and Point crushes Oshkosh on that night!
As for around the league....no surprises with LAX beating up on Viterbo or Stout or Point dominating. Questions still in the air for EC. Can someone actually step up and LEAD this team since there are no seniors? Sure they have the players to win but to get far or win the WIAC thats another question.
We shall see how they do come the 29th when they face Stout and UWO takes on Point
EC comes with the upset (they are at Zorn which helps) and Point crushes Oshkosh on that night!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 22, 2006, 12:09:05 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 22, 2006, 12:09:05 PM
QuoteFrom what I saw last night, Stout has it's best team ever.
OH...Awesome!!
Not. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2006, 02:08:30 PM
Post by: buf on November 22, 2006, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on November 22, 2006, 08:59:15 AMQuote from: buf on November 21, 2006, 10:44:49 PMSurprisingly, the 2 traditional powers, EC and UWO, could both end up in the lower half.
buf, based on the past few years you might want to make that 3 traditional powers, or 4 actually. Hard to leave out Point. ;)
From what I saw last night, Stout has it's best team ever.
I was thinking more in the 90s when EC and UWO would continually meet in the Elite 8. Stout and Point have definately been at or near the top the last few years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on November 22, 2006, 02:33:29 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on November 22, 2006, 02:33:29 PM
Got to watch part of the Stout game last night w/BDB. Very impressed with the recruits added to an already good team. The competition wasn't much but barring injury this has the makings of a VERY solid squad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2006, 11:30:59 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2006, 11:30:59 PM
The WARHAWKS defeat Millikin 80-75. WW came out hot and built a 18 point lead, 28-10, in the first 11 minutes of play as Millikin struggled to find the basket. The half ended with WW comfortably in control 41-27. But it was Millikin who came out hot in the second half and the WARHAWKS lost their shooting touch. Gradually the lead dwindled as everything Millikin threw up dropped (68% for the half) and with 5 1/2 minutes remaining Millikin took their first lead 64-63 on a pair of free throws. After the lead grew to 4 points, 67-63, WW rallied back to gain the lead 72-71 and made a three pointer, an inside basket and 3 of 4 free throws down the stretch to preserve it.
Lindsey Buecher led the way with 16 points and Heidi Sonntag added 13. WW improves to 3-1.
Lindsey Buecher led the way with 16 points and Heidi Sonntag added 13. WW improves to 3-1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 23, 2006, 01:47:48 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 23, 2006, 01:47:48 AM
Two things:
1) "Stout may have their best team ever."
Does that mean talent-wise, or did they move their roster up to 40 from the usual 30?
2) (Schumacher) will have to "learn to recruit on her own."
What does that mean? Its her second season, and she was hired in August last year. She wasn't able to recruit last year. She got some good kids this year. Had an injury of another. From her days in HS and WBCA President, she knows EVERYONE. And anyone that knows her knows she's a great coach. She'll recruit just fine.
1) "Stout may have their best team ever."
Does that mean talent-wise, or did they move their roster up to 40 from the usual 30?
2) (Schumacher) will have to "learn to recruit on her own."
What does that mean? Its her second season, and she was hired in August last year. She wasn't able to recruit last year. She got some good kids this year. Had an injury of another. From her days in HS and WBCA President, she knows EVERYONE. And anyone that knows her knows she's a great coach. She'll recruit just fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 24, 2006, 10:51:42 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 24, 2006, 10:51:42 AM
I agree on this one...Schumacher has too much of a name in the state not to be able to recruit good kids
so who have been the big impact players so far? are the transfers really making big differences on their teams?
I am also curious as to how Stout is a "solid squad" is it the large roster....or because this year so far they are averaging 18 TO's as opposed to last years 20....I don't think any team 3 games into the season is going to be solid by any means.....do they have potential....obviously.....but solid is a stretch for any team at this time in the season
so who have been the big impact players so far? are the transfers really making big differences on their teams?
I am also curious as to how Stout is a "solid squad" is it the large roster....or because this year so far they are averaging 18 TO's as opposed to last years 20....I don't think any team 3 games into the season is going to be solid by any means.....do they have potential....obviously.....but solid is a stretch for any team at this time in the season
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 05:36:26 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on November 24, 2006, 10:51:42 AM
so who have been the big impact players so far? are the transfers really making big differences on their teams?
Stout seems to have a good newcomer in Hirrsig?
UWO has Sharpee
Point has Webber (transfer)
Houselog and Fremstad have logged some decent minutes for UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 07:57:25 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 07:57:25 PM
UWO wins over #5 ranked Wheaton by about 20
Point wins by about 15 over North Central
A couple good wins for the WIAC over the CCIW!!!
Whats up with UWO? They lose 2 against the MWC but destroy 2 CCIW teams. Good win for them tonight
Point wins by about 15 over North Central
A couple good wins for the WIAC over the CCIW!!!
Whats up with UWO? They lose 2 against the MWC but destroy 2 CCIW teams. Good win for them tonight
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 11:15:49 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2006, 11:15:49 PM
Ec wins tonight by about 10 over a pretty decent Otterbein team. Golds played really well the first 30min or so, the last 10min were pretty sloppy. What a performance from Missy Fremstad. She was all over the court, shooting well, rebounding and hustling. EC actually made some 3s tonight. What a difference it makes when you can knock down a few from the outside.
Morningside looked tough, absolutely destroying Viterbo. It should be a tough but good game for the Golds tomorrow.
Morningside looked tough, absolutely destroying Viterbo. It should be a tough but good game for the Golds tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 25, 2006, 02:17:15 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 25, 2006, 02:17:15 AM
QuoteWhats up with UWO? They lose 2 against the MWC but destroy 2 CCIW teams. Good win for them tonight
First off, one of the worse calls I have ever seen while watching a basketball game ruined the Ripon game for Oshkosh. How can you call a shooting foul by half court? Who does that? And no...she wasn't shooting the ball, because she threw a baseball pass...to her teammate!
So that chance of coming from behind and beating Ripon fell through.
Tonight, Oshkosh came out fearless and attacked Wheaton. Holy Cow did the Thunder look lethargic and slow. That's what surprised me the most, is how slow Wheaton is as a team. Every player on the court for Oshkosh was faster than their defender and it showed.
It looked like in the second half, Wheaton finally woke up, and was coming back to trim a once 20 point lead, to 8. But Oshkosh kept pulling off mini 5 point runs and the Thunder just couldn't answer back.
Kayla Sharpee reminds me a whole lot of Brittney Herrick. Strong, athletic, and a shooting touch. Along with Arin Lane (6'2"), who needs stronger hands, Oshkosh has a pretty good 1-2 punch down low. We'll see how they do offensively in the WIAC, but they won't be push overs on defense.
Which brings tonights match up again. Wheaton had Jill Trenz, whose a preaseason All-American center, as a good test for another center that the Titans will have to deal with, Ms. Duoss in Stout.
I think the combination of Tyriver and Sharpee can take care of Duoss. But Duoss is not how Stout beats you. Instead, they throw about 14 girls at you, and run you to death.
Even though everyone knows this is a restocking year for Oshkosh, I think tonight is the type of game this unit needed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2006, 07:52:38 PM
Post by: buf on November 25, 2006, 07:52:38 PM
UWO defeats North Central 67-56, shooting 58% from the field. Tyriver and Sharpee were a combined 16-22 from the field.
UWSP whips Wheaton 71-44 despite a poor shooting 1st half. UWSP shot well from the FT line and pounded the boards.
WIAC sweeps the 4-game series!! :)
What has happened to preseason ranked #5 Wheaton? A team that only lost 5 games last year and returns 4 of 5 starters this season. They have already lost 3 times (almost 4) this year.
UWSP whips Wheaton 71-44 despite a poor shooting 1st half. UWSP shot well from the FT line and pounded the boards.
WIAC sweeps the 4-game series!! :)
What has happened to preseason ranked #5 Wheaton? A team that only lost 5 games last year and returns 4 of 5 starters this season. They have already lost 3 times (almost 4) this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2006, 11:24:52 PM
Post by: buf on November 25, 2006, 11:24:52 PM
Golds play another good game tonight to defeat Morningside College. Three good performances by Burns, Heidi Arc, and Fremstad, who all made the "all-tournament team." EC took the lead late in the 1st half and held it to the end of the game.
Only 4 more days until conference starts. Two big games: Stout vs EC and Point vs UWO
Only 4 more days until conference starts. Two big games: Stout vs EC and Point vs UWO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2006, 06:13:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2006, 06:13:53 PM
WHITEWATER beat Luther convincingly on Saturday afternoon. The final was 82-59. After WW built a twelve point lead in the first eight minutes on an upbeat tempo and the strong inside play of Tiffany Morton and Emily Peters the Norse were able to close the gap and trailed by only three at the half 42-39. But WW dominated the second stanza quickly building the lead back to double digits behind two quick baskets by Morton and Thrisa Thrill's three-pointer and layup. The lead balloned after that as the WARHAWKS shot nearly 58% from the floor for the half. Morton took scoring honors with 15 points. She also had 7 rebounds. Peters added 12 points and Rachel Woolever 10.
The win improves WW to 4-1 with a rare Sunday afternoon, parent's day matchup with the University of Chicago today. Not sure how that one turned out.
The win improves WW to 4-1 with a rare Sunday afternoon, parent's day matchup with the University of Chicago today. Not sure how that one turned out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 26, 2006, 07:02:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 26, 2006, 07:02:31 PM
An important note about Wheaton. They were missing two starters due to injury this weekend, so I don't think their performance this weekend was indicitive of the kind of team they are.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 26, 2006, 11:13:29 PM
Post by: buf on November 26, 2006, 11:13:29 PM
Chicago defeated WW by about 10pts this afternoon.
Stout won handily over Northland
Lax loses to Simpson at home by 4. Simpson is a good team that Stout beat last year in the 2nd round of the national tourney.
RF beats St Thomas
Stout won handily over Northland
Lax loses to Simpson at home by 4. Simpson is a good team that Stout beat last year in the 2nd round of the national tourney.
RF beats St Thomas
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 29, 2006, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: wiac482002 on November 29, 2006, 11:28:00 AM
Tonight's games should be a preview of what the WIAC has to offer for us this season. Stout at EC, Whitewater at LAX, Oshkosh at Point, Superior at RF.
Previews for tonights games: I'm just putting them out there so hopefully I will be right once scores are all completed tonight.
If EC can find ANYONE to shut down Duoss....I mean hold her under 20 they will do a good job. Geissler is shooting 1-18 behind "3" so if she gets hot look out, but so far through the season things aren't looking too good for her. Stout has some Freshman that could have big games possibly, but Zorn arena may prove a bit overwhelming this early for them in the season. EC needs to have Burns, Arciszewski, and Hakanson all have big games along with another surprise from either Zenner, Muggenburg, or Fremsted. Should be a good game, but in end its really the Duoss Variable that controls this game. Stout by 8
Oshkosh has had some good games so far this season but has yet to really be tested on the road. Point will do very well against an inexperienced Oshkosh team and playing on the road you can really see the flaws come out. Point by 15
Whitewater has come on late with the addition of some transfers, and LAX is struggling just getting a "W" and since homecourt seems to never matter there or not this game is a toss up. Hopefully Hunter has a good game for LAX, they need her to step up and lead. LAX by 5
River Falls has an experienced team compared to Superior although Superior has added some decent new faces to this team. The traveling down to RF may prove a little challenging on the Yellowjackets.......RF by 10
Previews for tonights games: I'm just putting them out there so hopefully I will be right once scores are all completed tonight.
If EC can find ANYONE to shut down Duoss....I mean hold her under 20 they will do a good job. Geissler is shooting 1-18 behind "3" so if she gets hot look out, but so far through the season things aren't looking too good for her. Stout has some Freshman that could have big games possibly, but Zorn arena may prove a bit overwhelming this early for them in the season. EC needs to have Burns, Arciszewski, and Hakanson all have big games along with another surprise from either Zenner, Muggenburg, or Fremsted. Should be a good game, but in end its really the Duoss Variable that controls this game. Stout by 8
Oshkosh has had some good games so far this season but has yet to really be tested on the road. Point will do very well against an inexperienced Oshkosh team and playing on the road you can really see the flaws come out. Point by 15
Whitewater has come on late with the addition of some transfers, and LAX is struggling just getting a "W" and since homecourt seems to never matter there or not this game is a toss up. Hopefully Hunter has a good game for LAX, they need her to step up and lead. LAX by 5
River Falls has an experienced team compared to Superior although Superior has added some decent new faces to this team. The traveling down to RF may prove a little challenging on the Yellowjackets.......RF by 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 12:27:26 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 12:27:26 PM
My picks....
This will be a good game but I see Stout by 10 in the end
I don't think Oshkosh has enough players that can stay with the experienced Pointers...Point by 20+
WW has the tendancy to play bad on the road but I don't see them getting blown out.....LaX by 1 or 2....
RF has always seemed like a tough place to play but I think Superior is excited with a new coach and a new future....I don't see them winning....but it isn't a blow out either.....RF by 5
Looks like some good match ups right off the bat!
Congrats to Stout and Point for moving up in the top 25!!
This will be a good game but I see Stout by 10 in the end
I don't think Oshkosh has enough players that can stay with the experienced Pointers...Point by 20+
WW has the tendancy to play bad on the road but I don't see them getting blown out.....LaX by 1 or 2....
RF has always seemed like a tough place to play but I think Superior is excited with a new coach and a new future....I don't see them winning....but it isn't a blow out either.....RF by 5
Looks like some good match ups right off the bat!
Congrats to Stout and Point for moving up in the top 25!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
crazy4hoops and wiac482002
Interesting thoughts/comments on tonight's games... Yep, the schedule has some great matchups for the WIAC openers, but then again, the way things shake out in this conference, you never know what's going to happen on any given night. That's what's exciting/great about this league...
Re the Stout/UWEC matchup, my take is, as a Blugold fan:
No question, UWEC can not get burried early in the first half, like they seemed to do quite a bit last year, then had to expend so much energy trying to get back into games... They need to stick around at half, and then anything is possible in the last 20 minutes...
Need to hit some 3s, too, so they can open the inside up. I think the 'Golds are 1-5 during the Duoss's years? The obvious would be to hope the 'Golds can get her into foul trouble by making her work on D. And maybe the new Blugold transfers, who don't know about this rivalry, won't be "intimidated" and don't know any better that Stout should win this game on paper... If one of them can have a good game, or someone off the bench can have a big game....
Lots of ifs and cliches here, but... ;)
I'm hoping for a packed Zorn arena tonight, a good game, and a 'Golds upset...
Interesting thoughts/comments on tonight's games... Yep, the schedule has some great matchups for the WIAC openers, but then again, the way things shake out in this conference, you never know what's going to happen on any given night. That's what's exciting/great about this league...
Re the Stout/UWEC matchup, my take is, as a Blugold fan:
No question, UWEC can not get burried early in the first half, like they seemed to do quite a bit last year, then had to expend so much energy trying to get back into games... They need to stick around at half, and then anything is possible in the last 20 minutes...
Need to hit some 3s, too, so they can open the inside up. I think the 'Golds are 1-5 during the Duoss's years? The obvious would be to hope the 'Golds can get her into foul trouble by making her work on D. And maybe the new Blugold transfers, who don't know about this rivalry, won't be "intimidated" and don't know any better that Stout should win this game on paper... If one of them can have a good game, or someone off the bench can have a big game....
Lots of ifs and cliches here, but... ;)
I'm hoping for a packed Zorn arena tonight, a good game, and a 'Golds upset...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 02:41:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 02:41:58 PM
Good thoughts and predictions, all of you. Most of my reasons for my picks are the same as yours above, so I'll just give the short version:
Stout by 10
Point by 15
La Crosse by 7
River Falls by 12
Stout by 10
Point by 15
La Crosse by 7
River Falls by 12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:18:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:18:40 PM
In case you are interested, you can get the radio broadcast and live stats for SP/OSH over the web at UWSP's website.
Pointers lead 27-12 at halftime.
Neuenfeldt leads Point with 8, Abitz has 5 for Oshkosh.
Point shooting 46%, Oshkosh shooting 15%.
Pointers lead 27-12 at halftime.
Neuenfeldt leads Point with 8, Abitz has 5 for Oshkosh.
Point shooting 46%, Oshkosh shooting 15%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:53:18 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:53:18 PM
Thanks for the updates on the Point/Osh game.....sounds like Oshkosh goes final 8:17 of the half with out scoring.......and yet they are only losing by 15 thanks to 10 TO"s by Point......let's hope that stat changes in the second half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:56:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:56:14 PM
UWSP broadcaster just said EC leads Stout 25-17 at half. Going to EC site to check...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:56:45 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:56:45 PM
LAX over WW 27-23
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:02:44 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 08:56:14 PM
UWSP broadcaster just said EC leads Stout 25-17 at half. Going to EC site to check...
Confirmed. Sounds like neither team can buy a bucket. EC has made more free throws. Second half underway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:24:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:24:47 PM
EC leads Stout 45-25!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 09:35:48 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 09:35:48 PM
GO EC!!!!!
Osh starting to cut the lead.....43-32....
anyone heard on RF/SUP game?
Osh starting to cut the lead.....43-32....
anyone heard on RF/SUP game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 09:43:07 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on November 29, 2006, 09:43:07 PM
RF over SUP by 42??? is that what i heard?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:46:05 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:46:05 PM
Point pushes the lead back to 15 with 2:15 to go.
EC was up 18 on Stout with about 3 minutes to go.
EC was up 18 on Stout with about 3 minutes to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:49:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 09:49:54 PM
EC finishes off Stout 59-44. Big win for the Blugolds!
Point downs Oshkosh 57-41. Neuenfeldt leads Point with 13, Heuer adds 10. Kranz would get a double-double if this was horsehoes or hand grenades with 9 pts and 9 rebs. For the Titans, Abitz socres 14 on 6-6 shooting, Tyriver scores 12, but only two field goals. Didn't sound like a work of art, but Pointers finish it off.
Area of concern: Pointers shoot a Shaquille-like 46% from the free throw line.
Point downs Oshkosh 57-41. Neuenfeldt leads Point with 13, Heuer adds 10. Kranz would get a double-double if this was horsehoes or hand grenades with 9 pts and 9 rebs. For the Titans, Abitz socres 14 on 6-6 shooting, Tyriver scores 12, but only two field goals. Didn't sound like a work of art, but Pointers finish it off.
Area of concern: Pointers shoot a Shaquille-like 46% from the free throw line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 09:50:17 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 09:50:17 PM
La Crosse leads WW by 3 with 45 seconds left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 09:51:41 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 09:51:41 PM
LaX by 2 with 14 seconds left. WW ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 10:01:39 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on November 29, 2006, 10:01:39 PM
La Crosse gets a big opening win against WW, 65-61. Looking at the live stats, Buechner had a shot to tie it with 11 seconds left but missed.
Teams combine for 51 turnovers (28 for WW). Searing with 21 and 11 boards for La Crosse, Hunter had 16. Thill leads Whitewater with 16. WW got to the line 30 times.
What a way to start it. Great win for Eau Claire. It's pretty customary of Stout to go 5-3 the first time around and then run a streak together the second trip; I don't think anyone thought that would be the case this year. Interesting. Tell these coaches they have to do this 15 more times.
Teams combine for 51 turnovers (28 for WW). Searing with 21 and 11 boards for La Crosse, Hunter had 16. Thill leads Whitewater with 16. WW got to the line 30 times.
What a way to start it. Great win for Eau Claire. It's pretty customary of Stout to go 5-3 the first time around and then run a streak together the second trip; I don't think anyone thought that would be the case this year. Interesting. Tell these coaches they have to do this 15 more times.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 10:01:49 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 10:01:49 PM
RF flattens Superior 75-33.
Funny way the schedule works out, all four of tonight's winners play each other on Saturday. So, we will be down to just two undefeated teams after only two WIAC games.
Funny way the schedule works out, all four of tonight's winners play each other on Saturday. So, we will be down to just two undefeated teams after only two WIAC games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2006, 10:19:22 PM
Post by: buf on November 29, 2006, 10:19:22 PM
What a game for EC at Zorn.
First half starts out with Burns, Heidi A, and Duoss all picking up a quick 1st foul. Both teams really struggle offensively (it was something like 7-7 with 10min left in the half). Trailing 17-13 with about 5min left in the half, EC goes on a huge 12-0 run to end the half. EC picks right up where they left off in the 1st half and Stout never really gets close in the 2nd half. EC led by 20 or so points most of the 2nd half. Stout had only 30pts with 5min left in the game.
Fremstad gets MVP for tonight, shredding the Stout press. For the 1st time in years, Stout didn't press EC last year because of Becker. They tried pressing EC again this year, but with no success (because of Fremstad).
EC did an excellent job on Duoss. Great job of collapsing, causing Duoss to shoot tough shots. Duoss didn't play a whole lot. I don't know if Thomas was upset with her play or not? Anyway she looked mentally frustrated in the 2nd half.
First half starts out with Burns, Heidi A, and Duoss all picking up a quick 1st foul. Both teams really struggle offensively (it was something like 7-7 with 10min left in the half). Trailing 17-13 with about 5min left in the half, EC goes on a huge 12-0 run to end the half. EC picks right up where they left off in the 1st half and Stout never really gets close in the 2nd half. EC led by 20 or so points most of the 2nd half. Stout had only 30pts with 5min left in the game.
Fremstad gets MVP for tonight, shredding the Stout press. For the 1st time in years, Stout didn't press EC last year because of Becker. They tried pressing EC again this year, but with no success (because of Fremstad).
EC did an excellent job on Duoss. Great job of collapsing, causing Duoss to shoot tough shots. Duoss didn't play a whole lot. I don't know if Thomas was upset with her play or not? Anyway she looked mentally frustrated in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RugbyPlayer on November 29, 2006, 10:21:18 PM
Post by: RugbyPlayer on November 29, 2006, 10:21:18 PM
Point wins a sloppy, sloppy game. It's sad to see the rivalry squashed as Oshkosh is half the power they used to be. Point plays pretty good D until they appear to be coasting and Oshkosh puts some good runs together. Point should win this one by 40 but finishes it 57-41.
Big win for EC taking down UW-Canada at the Zorn. (I can hear the Vikings horn sound from the Metrodome echoing thru the streets of EC now)...
Big win for EC taking down UW-Canada at the Zorn. (I can hear the Vikings horn sound from the Metrodome echoing thru the streets of EC now)...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 10:52:32 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 10:52:32 PM
Yep, it's a final from Zorn: 59 - 44, Blugolds over Stout.
As buf notes, and I agree, Missy Fremstad gets the MVP vote for tonight. Welcome to WIAC play. She had a hell of a game, things that won't show up in the box score...
Not only did Fremstad render the press ineffective, she had only two turnovers the whole night, while quarterbacking the offensive quite well. Everything started and ran through her, and she did a great job. I, however, was far more impressed with the intensity, quickness and hustle she brought to the defensive end. She was frustrating everyone who had the ball who came near her, and was in every scrum for loose balls...
Erin Voelker, another transfer, was able to provide some size and depth off the bench, too, which will allow the 'Golds to have an extra presence and some additional fouls to give at that position as the season continues on... Ashley Anderson was back in uniform too, having missed a few games recently...
Shot of the day goes to Angie Foschi, who came in cold, for her first appearance of the night. With about four seconds left on the shot clock, she promptly drained a 3 at the buzzer on her first touch of the ball all night...Put the 'Golds up by 20 with 9 left in the game...
Key moment of the game - 'Golds tie it at 17 in the first half, then used a time out after an offensive turnover to settle things down, set the D and keep any momentum out of the Stout lockerroom at half. Golds went on an 8-0 run to close out the half and never looked back the rest of the game...
Kept waiting for a Stout run the second half. Never came. And the 'Golds showed no signs of choking, either...
Stats leaders - Kelsey Duoss had 9 to lead the Blue Devils. Dani Boese had 7 boards. Blugolds had balanced scoring - Michelle Burns 13, Heidi Arciszewski 12 and Brittanni Hakanson chipped in 10. Amanda Zenner and Burns each had 8 boards...
Three point shooting wasn't a factor; Blugolds were 1 of 7, while Stout hit 1 of 8. Maybe that was a factor, though... And the 'Golds 18-23 from the line is going to beat the opposition's 11-21 any day...
Nice win for UWEC tonight. They in no way stole this one. They earned it...
As buf notes, and I agree, Missy Fremstad gets the MVP vote for tonight. Welcome to WIAC play. She had a hell of a game, things that won't show up in the box score...
Not only did Fremstad render the press ineffective, she had only two turnovers the whole night, while quarterbacking the offensive quite well. Everything started and ran through her, and she did a great job. I, however, was far more impressed with the intensity, quickness and hustle she brought to the defensive end. She was frustrating everyone who had the ball who came near her, and was in every scrum for loose balls...
Erin Voelker, another transfer, was able to provide some size and depth off the bench, too, which will allow the 'Golds to have an extra presence and some additional fouls to give at that position as the season continues on... Ashley Anderson was back in uniform too, having missed a few games recently...
Shot of the day goes to Angie Foschi, who came in cold, for her first appearance of the night. With about four seconds left on the shot clock, she promptly drained a 3 at the buzzer on her first touch of the ball all night...Put the 'Golds up by 20 with 9 left in the game...
Key moment of the game - 'Golds tie it at 17 in the first half, then used a time out after an offensive turnover to settle things down, set the D and keep any momentum out of the Stout lockerroom at half. Golds went on an 8-0 run to close out the half and never looked back the rest of the game...
Kept waiting for a Stout run the second half. Never came. And the 'Golds showed no signs of choking, either...
Stats leaders - Kelsey Duoss had 9 to lead the Blue Devils. Dani Boese had 7 boards. Blugolds had balanced scoring - Michelle Burns 13, Heidi Arciszewski 12 and Brittanni Hakanson chipped in 10. Amanda Zenner and Burns each had 8 boards...
Three point shooting wasn't a factor; Blugolds were 1 of 7, while Stout hit 1 of 8. Maybe that was a factor, though... And the 'Golds 18-23 from the line is going to beat the opposition's 11-21 any day...
Nice win for UWEC tonight. They in no way stole this one. They earned it...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 11:19:47 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 11:19:47 PM
Hey buf -
Not sure if you are a student, or an older fart like me. But since you're a Blugold junkie, I have a recommendation for you, if you haven't participated...
I didn't go to any of the noon football luncheons this fall, but went to my first Court 'N Rink luncheon yesterday. Coaches Englund and Strand gave insights on their teams... I'd say maybe 30-40 people showed up yesterday. Many are boosters... If you're a student, you'd be one of the younger ones there. But some of the players were there, so you might not feel too awkward...
$6 gets you a sandwich, a soda, and a cookie... Not a bad deal if you're a gym rat like me... Check the website for the Nov. 14 press release for the location and schedule of when each coach appears. Hockey and hoops coaches each appear six times...
Not sure if you are a student, or an older fart like me. But since you're a Blugold junkie, I have a recommendation for you, if you haven't participated...
I didn't go to any of the noon football luncheons this fall, but went to my first Court 'N Rink luncheon yesterday. Coaches Englund and Strand gave insights on their teams... I'd say maybe 30-40 people showed up yesterday. Many are boosters... If you're a student, you'd be one of the younger ones there. But some of the players were there, so you might not feel too awkward...
$6 gets you a sandwich, a soda, and a cookie... Not a bad deal if you're a gym rat like me... Check the website for the Nov. 14 press release for the location and schedule of when each coach appears. Hockey and hoops coaches each appear six times...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2006, 11:37:00 PM
Post by: buf on November 29, 2006, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 29, 2006, 11:19:47 PM
Hey buf -
Not sure if you are a student, or an older fart like me. But since you're a Blugold junkie, I have a recommendation for you, if you haven't participated...
I didn't go to any of the noon football luncheons this fall, but went to my first Court 'N Rink luncheon yesterday. Coaches Englund and Strand gave insights on their teams... I'd say maybe 30-40 people showed up yesterday. Many are boosters... If you're a student, you'd be one of the younger ones there. But some of the players were there, so you might not feel too awkward...
$6 gets you a sandwich, a soda, and a cookie... Not a bad deal if you're a gym rat like me... Check the website for the Nov. 14 press release for the location and schedule of when each coach appears. Hockey and hoops coaches each appear six times...
Sounds cool! I was unaware of those. However, I am usually working during weekdays. Thanks for bringing that to my attention though. Perhaps I might attend one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on November 30, 2006, 03:14:42 AM
Post by: laxeaglepride on November 30, 2006, 03:14:42 AM
Great win for the eagles today, especially after a hard loss to Simpson this last weekend...WIth todays win Lois Heeren becomes the winningest coach in school history...Searing played a great game, hitting what ever they would give, from everwhere on the floor...Both teams presses provided for the majority of the games 51 turnovers....Overall a good, but sloppy game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on November 30, 2006, 08:52:37 AM
Post by: BuckyC on November 30, 2006, 08:52:37 AM
Great win for the Blugolds over Stout and to dominate the 2nd half like they did!! A huge confidence booster for the Blugolds and hopefully we will get a couple votes in the d3hoops.com poll next week. It feels great to finally beat Stout and teach them a lesson!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2006, 09:30:13 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2006, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 29, 2006, 10:01:49 PM
Funny way the schedule works out, all four of tonight's winners play each other on Saturday. So, we will be down to just two undefeated teams after only two WIAC games.
OK, not entirely true. If Platteville won on Saturday, they'd be undefeated in conference as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on November 30, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
Post by: wiac482002 on November 30, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
Guess my previews weren't all right. EC coming out of no where to surprise # 6 Stout. Well not really surprise them, dominate them. Duoss looked completely frustrated, not playing at all either. Heard from EC fans that she cheered better on the bench than she played, kind of funny. Geissler still shooting horrible. Looks like since this team is not injury prone they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot (no pun intended).
EC is a team to contend now for the Conference Title and if they can get a big "W" on the road this weekend they will be my favorite with Point to contend.
Point-only surprise is that they didn't beat Oshkosh by more. Oshkosh looks horrible with their stat count last night. Knapp with 2 points? Did I really read that right? Looks for an interesting year if she scores 2 points a game-kind of funny really.
RF stomps Superior, WOW.
Great game with LAX and Whitewater it reads like. Surprised that LAX didn't win by more, but maybe Whitewater is that much better this year. We will see how they do on the road since they are not to prone for road wins.
Looks for an exciting weekend......
EC is a team to contend now for the Conference Title and if they can get a big "W" on the road this weekend they will be my favorite with Point to contend.
Point-only surprise is that they didn't beat Oshkosh by more. Oshkosh looks horrible with their stat count last night. Knapp with 2 points? Did I really read that right? Looks for an interesting year if she scores 2 points a game-kind of funny really.
RF stomps Superior, WOW.
Great game with LAX and Whitewater it reads like. Surprised that LAX didn't win by more, but maybe Whitewater is that much better this year. We will see how they do on the road since they are not to prone for road wins.
Looks for an exciting weekend......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2006, 08:07:08 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2006, 08:07:08 PM
Quote from: wiac482002 on November 30, 2006, 06:53:27 PMOshkosh shooting 15% in the first half was staggering. It was hard to believe I was reading it. In fact, if you pull out Abitz's 6 for 6, the rest of the team shot just 18 percent for the game.
Oshkosh looks horrible with their stat count last night. Knapp with 2 points? Did I really read that right? Looks for an interesting year if she scores 2 points a game-kind of funny really.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 01, 2006, 12:00:54 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 01, 2006, 12:00:54 AM
Quote from: wiac482002 on November 30, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
EC is a team to contend now for the Conference Title and if they can get a big "W" on the road this weekend they will be my favorite with Point to contend.
Hold on a second. First of all, incredibly impressive win and I don't want to take anything away from Eau Claire. They are absolutely a contender, heck they were picked for third, everyone knew they were a contender. And from what I hear, Fremstad may be the league's best point guard. But ...
Regardless of what they did to Stout Wednesday, I don't know whether you can make them the favorite after 2 games.
Last year, Stout starts 2-2 in league; 7-5 overall. Finished 12-4 as league champs and 22-8 overall. Two years ago started 1-3 in league and 6-4 overall, finished 12-4 as league champs and 24-7 overall.
My point ... it is not unlike them to lose a couple early. They get better as the year goes on, in my mind, because they are fresh in the dogs days of January. Their kids rarely play 30 minutes in a game where if you look at everyone else's nights, their studs are always 30-35. Believe me, it matters, a lot; especially in a league where you feel like you've been in a fight almost every night. I'm sure Eau Claire didn't feel comfortable until the last few minutes; heck if Heidi A finishes the game on the floor, they must not have felt comfortable until the horn.
They take awhile to get their rotation figured out, go on a Christmas trip, and usually come back and start beating everybody. They are the favorite ... for awhile at least. Heck, I've read on here people thought they could go undefeated. Eau Claire's not going 16-0 and they still have to go to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 11:35:31 AM
Post by: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 11:35:31 AM
Eau Claire kept their studs in the game to rub it down Stout's throat. If it would have been switched roles, Stout would have done the same thing.
Sure Stout usually comes on in the second half of the season but as of now they look horrible. Geissler is shooting them into the floor, and Duoss can't be the only scorer. Sure, not playing as much might help in the end, but one loss in conference tournament could cost them an NCAA berth since they lost regionally and within the Conference.
EC has the best point guard in the league, along with Burns, Arciszewski, and Hakanson healthy...they will be a great team....big game this weekend though at LAX
Sure Stout usually comes on in the second half of the season but as of now they look horrible. Geissler is shooting them into the floor, and Duoss can't be the only scorer. Sure, not playing as much might help in the end, but one loss in conference tournament could cost them an NCAA berth since they lost regionally and within the Conference.
EC has the best point guard in the league, along with Burns, Arciszewski, and Hakanson healthy...they will be a great team....big game this weekend though at LAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 11:49:22 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 11:49:22 AM
"If you want to crown their ass, then crown them!" - Denny Green
I'm not ready to crown Eau Claire either, but I don't think anyone doubted they would be a contender. (They were picked 3rd after all.)
I'm not ready to crown Eau Claire either, but I don't think anyone doubted they would be a contender. (They were picked 3rd after all.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 01, 2006, 01:19:32 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 01, 2006, 01:19:32 PM
whoa whoa whoa.....crowning titles already one game in.....i agree with the talk.....we all know why we aren't supposed to ASSume things....
EC wins....yes a big game but lets get serious....it is one game and they have struggled on the road in teh past....we all knew stout would lose games and so will EC...does it help to have a point guard to lead the show...heck yeah....would I call her the "best in the league" NO and neither would anyone else if they saw a few others PG's play....bottom line....EC is a long ways from any sort of title....are they one step in the right direction yet...but it is a long season
lets get picking for the weekend.....
EC at LAX- LAX by 8....EC comes in too confident and LAX is ready to prove themselves in this conference and they finally have the players to do so
SUP @ OSH- OSH by 15....after losing by a large amount to Point OSH has made changes and will be ready to go
Stout @ Platteville- Stout is very unlikely to go 2 losses in a row....deep down yes I would like to see UWP pull off the upset but...I see Stout by 10
Point @ RF- Point by 10....it will be a battle but Point will come out on top even though they have struggled there in the past
EC wins....yes a big game but lets get serious....it is one game and they have struggled on the road in teh past....we all knew stout would lose games and so will EC...does it help to have a point guard to lead the show...heck yeah....would I call her the "best in the league" NO and neither would anyone else if they saw a few others PG's play....bottom line....EC is a long ways from any sort of title....are they one step in the right direction yet...but it is a long season
lets get picking for the weekend.....
EC at LAX- LAX by 8....EC comes in too confident and LAX is ready to prove themselves in this conference and they finally have the players to do so
SUP @ OSH- OSH by 15....after losing by a large amount to Point OSH has made changes and will be ready to go
Stout @ Platteville- Stout is very unlikely to go 2 losses in a row....deep down yes I would like to see UWP pull off the upset but...I see Stout by 10
Point @ RF- Point by 10....it will be a battle but Point will come out on top even though they have struggled there in the past
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RugbyPlayer on December 01, 2006, 03:35:06 PM
Post by: RugbyPlayer on December 01, 2006, 03:35:06 PM
SUP @ OSH - OSH by 35 or 40 (Superfan goes wild)
CANADA @ IOWA - STOUT by 22
SP @ RF - SP by 16 (The crowd of 6 on hand riots over a JJ Jumper T-Shirt give-away)
And my upset special pick:
EC @ LAX - EC by 15
CANADA @ IOWA - STOUT by 22
SP @ RF - SP by 16 (The crowd of 6 on hand riots over a JJ Jumper T-Shirt give-away)
And my upset special pick:
EC @ LAX - EC by 15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 04:06:45 PM
Post by: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 04:06:45 PM
Oshkosh gets a big win and a confidence booster beating Superior by 15 plus....by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI
EC over LAX for a big road win (they won there last year also), close game, EC by 8
Stout will win to get back to their winning ways
Point will beat up again on RF.....20 or more
EC over LAX for a big road win (they won there last year also), close game, EC by 8
Stout will win to get back to their winning ways
Point will beat up again on RF.....20 or more
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
OSH over SUP by 20
LAX nips EC by 3
STOUT over PLT by 18
SP tops RF by 15
LAX nips EC by 3
STOUT over PLT by 18
SP tops RF by 15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 01, 2006, 06:26:28 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 01, 2006, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 01, 2006, 11:49:22 AMHilarious
"If you want to crown their ass, then crown them!" - Denny Green
Quote from: crazy4hoops on December 01, 2006, 01:19:32 PM
would I call her the "best in the league" NO and neither would anyone else if they saw a few others PG's play
I have seen them all ... except her and Weber, haven't seen her since high school. But from what some people are telling me she's better than the rest. I guess that's an interesting debate; where would they rank being a vital position on your team. Is Weber playing the point for Point?
Quote from: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 04:06:45 PMI think he's been there everytime I've ever been to an Oshkosh game.
by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI
My picks-
Oshy over Superior by 17
River over Point by 4
Stout over Platteville by 11 (Even though UWP beat them at Stout last year)
and ...
absolutely no idea who to pick at La Crosse. They have split the past three years; last year each won on the other's home court. The previous two years, the home teams won. I think they're going to split again this year; just don't know who wins first. The majority of these have been close as well (although if I remember right last year's were a little more spread out.
Since we're not keeping track of picks, I say. TIE, can't get off the fence. Gun to my head, La Crosse by 1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RugbyPlayer on December 02, 2006, 12:50:57 AM
Post by: RugbyPlayer on December 02, 2006, 12:50:57 AM
Quote from: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 04:06:45 PM
....by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI
LOL. I was totally making that crap up. I can see it now...Superfan and his fluggy mustache yelling OOOHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Mmmm free T-Shirt!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:05:38 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: RugbyPlayer on December 02, 2006, 12:50:57 AMQuote from: wiac482002 on December 01, 2006, 04:06:45 PM
....by the way JJ Jumper is at Oshkosh this weekend FYI
LOL. I was totally making that crap up. I can see it now...Superfan and his fluggy mustache yelling OOOHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Mmmm free T-Shirt!
I'm telling ya, he lives at the Kolf!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 07:08:51 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 07:08:51 PM
Oshkosh cracks Superior by 22. Super stayed kind of in range around 12-14 point lead most of the way. Biggest lead at the buzzer.
River Falls over Point by 2 at the half.
La Crosse by 7 over EC with 16:00 left.
Can't get anything from Platteville, their network for live stats is down.
River Falls over Point by 2 at the half.
La Crosse by 7 over EC with 16:00 left.
Can't get anything from Platteville, their network for live stats is down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 07:57:11 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 07:57:11 PM
La Crosse 68
Eau Claire 51
River Falls 67
Stevens Point 60
Don't crown anybody yet.
Eau Claire 51
River Falls 67
Stevens Point 60
Don't crown anybody yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 08:01:09 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 08:01:09 PM
Maybe Ashley Wagner read the "best point guard in the league conversation"
She goes off for 17 points 5 rebounds and 4 assists while Fremstad goes 0-for-8 with 2 reb and 4 assists. 1 point.
Zenner leads EC with 11 and 11 rebounds.
La Crosse has three others in double figures. Looks like some foul trouble for EC. Burns had four early in the 2nd half, I see she fouled out and finished with just 6. Hopefully someone who was there can give a little better idea of how things played out.
She goes off for 17 points 5 rebounds and 4 assists while Fremstad goes 0-for-8 with 2 reb and 4 assists. 1 point.
Zenner leads EC with 11 and 11 rebounds.
La Crosse has three others in double figures. Looks like some foul trouble for EC. Burns had four early in the 2nd half, I see she fouled out and finished with just 6. Hopefully someone who was there can give a little better idea of how things played out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 02, 2006, 08:07:13 PM
Post by: buf on December 02, 2006, 08:07:13 PM
Lax defeats EC 68-51. I started listening half way through the 1st half. At that time Burns, Hakanson, and Voelker (the top 3 posts) all had 2 fouls and didn't play the remainder of the half. Very poor shooting by EC (30%), which has just been too common on the road the last couple of years. A good performance by Lax's Wagner.
I don't think anyone is crowning anyone yet. I think one poster just mentioned that EC (after the Stout win) was a major contender for the title race.
On the best point guard issue: While I am an EC fan, I am not going to say Fremstad is the best point guard after a few games. She definately has one of the best floor games, but I think she can improve her scoring offense.
I don't think anyone is crowning anyone yet. I think one poster just mentioned that EC (after the Stout win) was a major contender for the title race.
On the best point guard issue: While I am an EC fan, I am not going to say Fremstad is the best point guard after a few games. She definately has one of the best floor games, but I think she can improve her scoring offense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:18:51 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:18:51 PM
Stout beats Platteville by 16. 83 points at Platteville (or for that matter, anywhere) is a ton. Platteville tries to play the 60-58 games, not today. Stout around 60 with 10:00 to go.
Wednesday night ... big game at E.C. with River Falls coming to town.
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.
Platteville goes to LaX. Oshkosh has the bye, Stout has the other one (sorry Superior)
Wednesday night ... big game at E.C. with River Falls coming to town.
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.
Platteville goes to LaX. Oshkosh has the bye, Stout has the other one (sorry Superior)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 02, 2006, 10:10:16 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 02, 2006, 10:10:16 PM
Never a dull moment in the WIAC, as Point loses today, too.
Inside the numbers, UWL 68, UWEC 51...
Ashley Wagner must have been pi**** about the point guard talk here! ;)Ha. But she tied a career high with her 17 points. MacKenzie Hunter adds 14 and Abby Johnson pitches in 10. Katy Searing pulled down 10 boards. Blugolds' Amanda Zenner has a double-double, with 11 points and 11 boards.
Had you told me the 'Golds would have outrebounded LaX (44-34) and had 25 more shots taken, I'd have thought UWEC might have won. LaX hit 22-of 28 free throws, however, vs. 7 of 9 for EC.
Biggest factor was perhaps that in all those shots the 'Golds took, they didn't make them, at 21 of 69, for 30 percent. Since I wasn't there, I'm not sure how many of them were good looks that didn't fall, or how much the Eagles D played a factor in creating poor shots...
The Eagles, however, were 22-45 from the field, for nearly 49 percent...
Radio broadcasters in EC made Hunter the answer to the half-time trivia contest, as she's the one who got away from UWEC during the recruiting process. (Of course, as the theme of the day, they also reminded us Joe Werner got away, too. Ouch. Ha.)
Hunter'd look good in blue and gold, that's for sure... But I'm sure she's having fun, playing a role in turning around an Eagles' program that has struggled and is now winning...
Inside the numbers, UWL 68, UWEC 51...
Ashley Wagner must have been pi**** about the point guard talk here! ;)Ha. But she tied a career high with her 17 points. MacKenzie Hunter adds 14 and Abby Johnson pitches in 10. Katy Searing pulled down 10 boards. Blugolds' Amanda Zenner has a double-double, with 11 points and 11 boards.
Had you told me the 'Golds would have outrebounded LaX (44-34) and had 25 more shots taken, I'd have thought UWEC might have won. LaX hit 22-of 28 free throws, however, vs. 7 of 9 for EC.
Biggest factor was perhaps that in all those shots the 'Golds took, they didn't make them, at 21 of 69, for 30 percent. Since I wasn't there, I'm not sure how many of them were good looks that didn't fall, or how much the Eagles D played a factor in creating poor shots...
The Eagles, however, were 22-45 from the field, for nearly 49 percent...
Radio broadcasters in EC made Hunter the answer to the half-time trivia contest, as she's the one who got away from UWEC during the recruiting process. (Of course, as the theme of the day, they also reminded us Joe Werner got away, too. Ouch. Ha.)
Hunter'd look good in blue and gold, that's for sure... But I'm sure she's having fun, playing a role in turning around an Eagles' program that has struggled and is now winning...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 03, 2006, 08:44:39 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 03, 2006, 08:44:39 AM
UWP vs UW Stout update: UWS was up to their usual good play. If they would have shot fro the outside they would have got 100. We were too young and inexperienced, but the future is bright. 40 is one of the best players in the Country, what a pleasure to watch. Teams can beat Stout, but they must not turn the ball over and slow them down, As usual, they are not overpowering in the half court. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 03, 2006, 09:06:01 PM
Post by: hoops49 on December 03, 2006, 09:06:01 PM
I was at the EC-UW-L game. The bluegolds didn't come in overconfidant. My opinion? It's not uncommon after getting a big emotional win against a team (Stout) that a team will play flat in their next game. I just don't think they had anything to give. They'll be fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 04, 2006, 01:54:39 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 04, 2006, 01:54:39 AM
Quote from: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:18:51 PM
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.
I'm not sure whose home you are referring to here, but each team won on their own court last year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 04, 2006, 01:54:39 AMQuote from: EagleAlum on December 02, 2006, 09:18:51 PM
Interesting one in Whitewater as well with Point coming in. Whitewater beat them at home last year.
I'm not sure whose home you are referring to here, but each team won on their own court last year.
Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.
Quote from: hoops49 on December 03, 2006, 09:06:01 PM
My opinion? It's not uncommon after getting a big emotional win against a team (Stout) that a team will play flat in their next game. I just don't think they had anything to give. They'll be fine.
If they aren't going to have "anything to give" after big wins, they are not a contender; cause there's a lot of big, emotional wins you need to get to win the WIAC.
I agree they'll be fine and they'll be in it to the end, but that's kind of a lame excuse. La Crosse played a 40 minute tight game against WW the same night EC beat Stout. If La Crosse loses to Platteville it won't be because they "didn't have anything left to give after Eau Claire" it will probably mean Platteville out-played them and beat them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2006, 11:09:24 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2006, 11:09:24 AM
Quote from: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.
Actually WW finished as the sixth seed last year and lost to 3rd seeded Oshkosh in the first round. LaCrosse was last year's 8th seed.
Not that it matters.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 11:14:53 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 11:14:53 AM
Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.
whenever WW steps on the floor it is an interesting game...yeah they were that low in rankings but still beat Point AND Stout last season on their court....WW is tough no doubt about it their own worst enemy in the past has been themselves ... as far as closing the gap between the two...if you know anything about the WIAC you know there is no gap between anyone....yeah Superior seems to be on the same track in years past but i think they will get one if not two W's this WIAC season....no game is an easy game....that is a fact
as far as wednesday goes....looks like another undefeated will fall....
gotta love the WIAC!
whenever WW steps on the floor it is an interesting game...yeah they were that low in rankings but still beat Point AND Stout last season on their court....WW is tough no doubt about it their own worst enemy in the past has been themselves ... as far as closing the gap between the two...if you know anything about the WIAC you know there is no gap between anyone....yeah Superior seems to be on the same track in years past but i think they will get one if not two W's this WIAC season....no game is an easy game....that is a fact
as far as wednesday goes....looks like another undefeated will fall....
gotta love the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 04, 2006, 01:50:29 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 04, 2006, 01:50:29 PM
actually LaCrosse hosted River Falls last year and was the 4th seed...then lost to stout on the road
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 04, 2006, 02:23:01 PM
Post by: wiac482002 on December 04, 2006, 02:23:01 PM
early to already start predictions but i figure since this conference title this year is that hectic already lets start early and see what comes of this week wednesday
EC over RF in a well contested game, but the blugolds will get back on track if they can stay outta foul trouble.....EC by 8
LAX continues their winning ways and dominates Platteville....LAX by 10+
Another upset for Point as WW hands them another loss.....WW by 6
Stout at Superior---why should Stout even travel there when they will win by 40 with their reserves
Oshkosh with the week off--probably because they are trying to convince each other that they might have a chance on Sat @ Stout when we all know that's not going to happen
EC over RF in a well contested game, but the blugolds will get back on track if they can stay outta foul trouble.....EC by 8
LAX continues their winning ways and dominates Platteville....LAX by 10+
Another upset for Point as WW hands them another loss.....WW by 6
Stout at Superior---why should Stout even travel there when they will win by 40 with their reserves
Oshkosh with the week off--probably because they are trying to convince each other that they might have a chance on Sat @ Stout when we all know that's not going to happen
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2006, 02:57:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2006, 02:57:22 PM
2005
Monday, Feb. 21
Quarterfinals
UW-Stout (#1) 73, UW-La Crosse (#8) 66 (at Menomonie) Box Score
UW-Eau Claire (#5) 62, UW-River Falls (#4) 43 (at River Falls) Box Score
UW-Oshkosh (#3) 88, UW-Whitewater (#6) 73 (at Oshkosh) Box Score
UW-Stevens Point (#2) 65, UW-Platteville (#7) 56 (at Stevens Point) Box Score
Wednesday, Feb. 23
Semifinals
UW-Stout 70, UW-Eau Claire 65 (Overtime) (at Menomonie) Box Score
UW-Oshkosh 74, UW-Stevens Point 67 (at Stevens Point) Box Score
Saturday, Feb. 26
Championship
UW-Stout 68, UW-Oshkosh 53 (at Menomonie) Box Score
My bad. Obviously it was a mistake to rely on information from the WIAC website and I didn't notice that they haven't updated it in almost a year.
And checking another part of the website I can see that WHITEWATER was indeed the #8 seed by virtue of losing the tiebreaker to Platteville. Thank you for the correction, pride. Sorry about that Alum.
Monday, Feb. 21
Quarterfinals
UW-Stout (#1) 73, UW-La Crosse (#8) 66 (at Menomonie) Box Score
UW-Eau Claire (#5) 62, UW-River Falls (#4) 43 (at River Falls) Box Score
UW-Oshkosh (#3) 88, UW-Whitewater (#6) 73 (at Oshkosh) Box Score
UW-Stevens Point (#2) 65, UW-Platteville (#7) 56 (at Stevens Point) Box Score
Wednesday, Feb. 23
Semifinals
UW-Stout 70, UW-Eau Claire 65 (Overtime) (at Menomonie) Box Score
UW-Oshkosh 74, UW-Stevens Point 67 (at Stevens Point) Box Score
Saturday, Feb. 26
Championship
UW-Stout 68, UW-Oshkosh 53 (at Menomonie) Box Score
My bad. Obviously it was a mistake to rely on information from the WIAC website and I didn't notice that they haven't updated it in almost a year.
And checking another part of the website I can see that WHITEWATER was indeed the #8 seed by virtue of losing the tiebreaker to Platteville. Thank you for the correction, pride. Sorry about that Alum.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 04:35:32 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 11:14:53 AM
Yeah. They beat them in WW, where they play Wed. I guess my point was WW finished as the 8 seed last year but still beat Point, and the gap between the two may have closed a bit. Hence, interesting game.
whenever WW steps on the floor it is an interesting game...yeah they were that low in rankings but still beat Point AND Stout last season on their court....WW is tough no doubt about it their own worst enemy in the past has been themselves ...
Agreed. I love to watch them play. They've done very well against some of the league's best the past few years. Consistency from one night to the next has been their undoing.
Quote from: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 11:14:53 AM
as far as closing the gap between the two...if you know anything about the WIAC you know there is no gap between anyone....yeah Superior seems to be on the same track in years past but i think they will get one if not two W's this WIAC season....no game is an easy game....that is a fact
Since I was the one who mentioned the "gap" I take offense to this. I know the WIAC, believe me, I've been through it. And you are wrong, there is a gap, it's just much smaller than it has been. No question about it, no game is easy in the WIAC and anyone can beat anyone. The gap isn't necessarily or doesn't have to be talent, it can be a simple as your team/program believing they can beat the top teams. Whitewater hasn't finished a season ahead of Point since 2000; so right now, there's a gap between Point and WW. No question by the end of the year it might be closed, but it takes a full season to do it. Head-to-head is as much about matchups as anything.
But at the end of the season, it has, for the most part been the same 4 teams in the top half of the league. Stout, Point, EC, and Oshkosh. There has been the big four and everyone else, the challenge is to get into the top four and unseat one of those programs over the course of the entire season, then continue to do. That's the challenge for River Falls and La Crosse stay in the top half. Things are changing but the past few years it's been the Big 4 in the Semis of the conference tournament except last year when La Crosse got a spot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 08:03:44 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 08:03:44 PM
Since I was the one who mentioned the "gap" I take offense to this. I know the WIAC, believe me, I've been through it.
sorry to offend you....you are probably not the only one who has "been through it"...
we will just have to agree to disagree
picks:
stout
EC
UWP
Point
sorry to offend you....you are probably not the only one who has "been through it"...
we will just have to agree to disagree
picks:
stout
EC
UWP
Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 09:05:05 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 04, 2006, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on December 04, 2006, 08:03:44 PMI understand that, I know there are posters on here who have played, coached, worked in the league. I was responding to the statement as a whole.
Since I was the one who mentioned the "gap" I take offense to this. I know the WIAC, believe me, I've been through it.
sorry to offend you....you are probably not the only one who has "been through it"...
we will just have to agree to disagree
And I have no problem with agreeing to disagree; I'll just say, in sports you can't argue the bottom line. Three or four years ago the division between the top four and the bottom five was huge; it's closed a lot in three years.
The good part I think for the WIAC is it's been more a case of the bottom teams elevating themselves as it is/was the top teams coming back to the pack. Therefore, I think, the overall quality has increased although one team isn't necessarily dominating on the national scene like the Oshkosh's, Eau Claire's, and Point's of the past 20 years. Unfortunately it has cost us some NCAA appearances because it's really tough to do better than 10-6 because of the "any team, any night" quality you mentioned. Oshkosh, Point and La Crosse were all better than at least 12-16 of the teams in the dance but had 4, 5, and 7 conference losses that eliminated them from consideration.
Anyway, I digress.
Picks-
La Crosse over Platteville
Stout over Superior
Eau Claire in a great game over River Falls
Whitewater over Point
I know we probably don't have enough consistent posters to make it interesting but we should have gotten a pick'em together. Maybe after Christmas?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 06, 2006, 04:06:33 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 06, 2006, 04:06:33 PM
Well, more big games on tap for tonight. But they are all big games every night, right? Ha.
I'm going to Zorn early, to sit through the UWEC/RF mens' game first. Zzzz. So I hope EagleAlum is right, in that the Lady Blugolds pull out a win in a close one against the Falcons...
That will put the undefeated Falcons at 2-1, I think?, and bring them back to the rest of the pack. After tonight, things could be log-jammed with several 2-1 teams at this early stage of the season...
How is Point, after a tough loss to River Falls, going to respond to Whitewater? Couple of predictions here that Whitewater could win tonight in an upset on the Hawks' home court. Wouldn't surprise me one bit, though....
How about the Pointers' team record 17-game winning streak at home, though, in the friendly confines of the Berg gymnasium? UWL comes to town on Saturday, to see what they can do about that... But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We've got a full slate of games tonight! ;)
I'm going to Zorn early, to sit through the UWEC/RF mens' game first. Zzzz. So I hope EagleAlum is right, in that the Lady Blugolds pull out a win in a close one against the Falcons...
That will put the undefeated Falcons at 2-1, I think?, and bring them back to the rest of the pack. After tonight, things could be log-jammed with several 2-1 teams at this early stage of the season...
How is Point, after a tough loss to River Falls, going to respond to Whitewater? Couple of predictions here that Whitewater could win tonight in an upset on the Hawks' home court. Wouldn't surprise me one bit, though....
How about the Pointers' team record 17-game winning streak at home, though, in the friendly confines of the Berg gymnasium? UWL comes to town on Saturday, to see what they can do about that... But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. We've got a full slate of games tonight! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 06, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 06, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
Upset Alert-
Platteville giving La Crosse trouble again for about the 100th straight game. Platteville's style always gets La Crosse uncomfortable. No exception tonight. LaX however scores the last six points of the half and trails 25-23 at the break.
Platteville jumped out to a 12-2 lead and has not trailed.
Foul trouble for La Crosse with Wagner, Hunter, and Johnson all sitting considerable 1st half minutes with 2 fouls. Fouls are even but La Crosse has yet to get to the line.
Tesch leads everyone with 8. No LaX player has more than 4.
Any updates on WW-Point?
Platteville giving La Crosse trouble again for about the 100th straight game. Platteville's style always gets La Crosse uncomfortable. No exception tonight. LaX however scores the last six points of the half and trails 25-23 at the break.
Platteville jumped out to a 12-2 lead and has not trailed.
Foul trouble for La Crosse with Wagner, Hunter, and Johnson all sitting considerable 1st half minutes with 2 fouls. Fouls are even but La Crosse has yet to get to the line.
Tesch leads everyone with 8. No LaX player has more than 4.
Any updates on WW-Point?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2006, 09:55:56 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2006, 09:55:56 PM
Point led WW 28-23 at the half, but there has been no further updates.
UPDATED: WW nips Point 62-61.
MORE: LC beats Platteville 60-56; Stout over SUP 85-??
UPDATED: WW nips Point 62-61.
MORE: LC beats Platteville 60-56; Stout over SUP 85-??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 06, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 06, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
La Crosse gains control with a nice run in the 2nd half, then holds on for a 60-56 win over the Pioneers.
Hunter looks like she took control in the 2nd half, finishes with 16, at least 12 after half. Searing with another double-double, 11 points-12 rebounds.
Liz Tesch goes for 16 and 10 to lead Platteville. Freshman Liz Wisdom has another good game, double-double tonight with 12 points and 13 rebounds.Not positive on the stats but I think Platteville had at least 13 TO's in the 2nd Half.
Eau Claire is cracking River Falls right now 32-14 late 1st Half. Ton of TO's for River right now.
Yeah Warhawks!
Bill, I think it was you with the stellar picks start opening weekend. I should have joined. I think I have an 8-0 start the last two weeks! Vegas baby.
Hunter looks like she took control in the 2nd half, finishes with 16, at least 12 after half. Searing with another double-double, 11 points-12 rebounds.
Liz Tesch goes for 16 and 10 to lead Platteville. Freshman Liz Wisdom has another good game, double-double tonight with 12 points and 13 rebounds.Not positive on the stats but I think Platteville had at least 13 TO's in the 2nd Half.
Eau Claire is cracking River Falls right now 32-14 late 1st Half. Ton of TO's for River right now.
Yeah Warhawks!
Bill, I think it was you with the stellar picks start opening weekend. I should have joined. I think I have an 8-0 start the last two weeks! Vegas baby.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 06, 2006, 10:14:56 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 06, 2006, 10:14:56 PM
update LaX pulls out a 60-56 win at home....it wasnt pretty but if you can get a W, you cant complain!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 06, 2006, 10:37:26 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on December 06, 2006, 10:37:26 PM
Did I read that right...stout only beat Superior by 11...85-74
As always this is going to be an interesting year!
As always this is going to be an interesting year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2006, 10:52:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2006, 10:52:30 PM
WARHAWKS 62 Stevens Point 61
Big win for WW despite one very ugly half. 36 combined turnovers by the two teams and neither shooting better than 36% made the first half gruesome to watch. The Pointer led 28-23 primarily by making 10 of 13 free throw attempts to 5 for 13 for the WARHAWKS.
WHITEWATER improved their shooting significantly in the second half including 3 of 4 on three-point attempts. They also improved from the line giing 10-16 including 6 of 6 down the stretch to maintain the lead.
Tiffany Morton led the scoring with 12 points while both Lyndsey Buechner and Heidi Sonntag added 11 points and 10 points respectively. Buechner also had 7 rebounds but Stevens Point dominated the boards 40 to 29.
Another not very pretty win but a W is always marked in the left column and you really need them at home. WW goes to .500 (1-1) in the WIAC and 5-3 on the season. Next up, Superior.
Big win for WW despite one very ugly half. 36 combined turnovers by the two teams and neither shooting better than 36% made the first half gruesome to watch. The Pointer led 28-23 primarily by making 10 of 13 free throw attempts to 5 for 13 for the WARHAWKS.
WHITEWATER improved their shooting significantly in the second half including 3 of 4 on three-point attempts. They also improved from the line giing 10-16 including 6 of 6 down the stretch to maintain the lead.
Tiffany Morton led the scoring with 12 points while both Lyndsey Buechner and Heidi Sonntag added 11 points and 10 points respectively. Buechner also had 7 rebounds but Stevens Point dominated the boards 40 to 29.
Another not very pretty win but a W is always marked in the left column and you really need them at home. WW goes to .500 (1-1) in the WIAC and 5-3 on the season. Next up, Superior.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 06, 2006, 11:55:55 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 06, 2006, 11:55:55 PM
Final - UWEC 60, UWRF 50
Blugolds had a balanced offense tonight, with Arciszewski with 16, Hakanson 14, Zenner 12 and Burns 9. Reimann led the Falcons with 21, on 8-10 shooting and 5-5 from the free throw line, while Lindman chipped in 13.
UWRF jumped out to a 5-0 lead, but after a great timeout, the Golds answered with a 9-0 run to take the lead. They never looked back in the first half, on the way to a 34-16 lead at the break. Wish they could make every game as easy as they did in that first half. Keys were the the 'Golds outshooting the Falcons 55.6 % to 28.6 %. Golds were also able to dominate in the paint, and had a lot of buckets from underneath...
That turned around in the second half, as the Falcons post players aggressively stepped it up on the boards and in scoring to tighten the game...
Other stats - Blugold starters logged a lot of minutes, each with 30+, and the Golds, shooting a conference-leading 79 % from the charity stripe coming in, were able to add to it, hitting 13-16 for 81 %... Not good from three point land, as Golds were 1 of 8 and UWRF 2-11...
UWL comes out of the early season scrum with a 3-0 record to lead the conference... while the Golds, Falcons and Stout are all 2-1...
Blugolds had a balanced offense tonight, with Arciszewski with 16, Hakanson 14, Zenner 12 and Burns 9. Reimann led the Falcons with 21, on 8-10 shooting and 5-5 from the free throw line, while Lindman chipped in 13.
UWRF jumped out to a 5-0 lead, but after a great timeout, the Golds answered with a 9-0 run to take the lead. They never looked back in the first half, on the way to a 34-16 lead at the break. Wish they could make every game as easy as they did in that first half. Keys were the the 'Golds outshooting the Falcons 55.6 % to 28.6 %. Golds were also able to dominate in the paint, and had a lot of buckets from underneath...
That turned around in the second half, as the Falcons post players aggressively stepped it up on the boards and in scoring to tighten the game...
Other stats - Blugold starters logged a lot of minutes, each with 30+, and the Golds, shooting a conference-leading 79 % from the charity stripe coming in, were able to add to it, hitting 13-16 for 81 %... Not good from three point land, as Golds were 1 of 8 and UWRF 2-11...
UWL comes out of the early season scrum with a 3-0 record to lead the conference... while the Golds, Falcons and Stout are all 2-1...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 07, 2006, 12:34:44 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 07, 2006, 12:34:44 PM
sounds like every game was somewhat close last night....
made it out to the WW/UWSP game....probably one of the sloppiest games I have seen in a long time....29 and 26 TO's....very hard to watch....
props to WW on their newcomers...those kids are tough especially some of their post players....their team will be even better and hopefully take care of the ball better with Hendrickson on the court....not sure why she was on the sideline in jeans????
as for Point....wow....totally different team than what was displayed against the Badgers....not sure what it is...team chemistry....lack of concentration....no passion....whatever it is they better change it fast or they are in for a rude awakening against UWL on Saturday....
anyone know why the stout/superior game was surprisingly close???
made it out to the WW/UWSP game....probably one of the sloppiest games I have seen in a long time....29 and 26 TO's....very hard to watch....
props to WW on their newcomers...those kids are tough especially some of their post players....their team will be even better and hopefully take care of the ball better with Hendrickson on the court....not sure why she was on the sideline in jeans????
as for Point....wow....totally different team than what was displayed against the Badgers....not sure what it is...team chemistry....lack of concentration....no passion....whatever it is they better change it fast or they are in for a rude awakening against UWL on Saturday....
anyone know why the stout/superior game was surprisingly close???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 07, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 07, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
Hendrickson is ineligible until after Xmas break. I guess it has something to do with her residency though I don't fully understand it myself.
Just reviewing the Stout/Superior box score I noticed that Stout had a 16 point lead at the half but Superior shot almost 60% from the floor in the second half including 8-10 three pointers. Stout also had 16 of their 22 turnovers occur in the second half whereas Superior had only 6 of their 22 in that stanza.
Just reviewing the Stout/Superior box score I noticed that Stout had a 16 point lead at the half but Superior shot almost 60% from the floor in the second half including 8-10 three pointers. Stout also had 16 of their 22 turnovers occur in the second half whereas Superior had only 6 of their 22 in that stanza.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 07, 2006, 03:12:19 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 07, 2006, 03:12:19 PM
Went to Superior-Stout game last night, and I think Mulhern is learning a lot about playing in the WIAC. Every game is like no other and, usually, record has only marginal influence on play. I thought he played his bench very well, I think Superior had nothing to lose--so why be intimidated? It was home court. Calls were sometimes absent, sometimes bizarre, but both ways (I suppose both sides would disagree). Superior made some really stupid errors in the first half but got a bit more daring in the second. Set Katie Moench loose and, fortunately, she was seeing the basket pretty well.
I listened to Superior-Oshkosh game last week; Superior played quite well first half, which is actually normal: good first half; die in the second. There, I think they played pretty well first half and made lots of stupid mistakes in second. Lot of charging going on.
This could be one of those years where the team shows moments of disaster followed closely by genius. Sure would like to see a W in a couple of conference games.
I listened to Superior-Oshkosh game last week; Superior played quite well first half, which is actually normal: good first half; die in the second. There, I think they played pretty well first half and made lots of stupid mistakes in second. Lot of charging going on.
This could be one of those years where the team shows moments of disaster followed closely by genius. Sure would like to see a W in a couple of conference games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 08, 2006, 12:10:50 PM
Post by: hoops49 on December 08, 2006, 12:10:50 PM
EagleAlum- I was simply stating that after a big win sometimes you come out flat at your next game. It wasn't an excuse. I didn't say it would happen all the time after a big win. When this happens to a team one time, does that suddenly mean they are not contenders? Of course not. I'm sure you've seen teams come out flat after a big win whether it was high school, college or YES, even the pros. It happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 08, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on December 08, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
picks (or predictions as I should call them) for the weekend games....
Stout- I think Stout is itching to give a butt kicking to someone and I am afraid Oshkosh might be it
River Falls over Platteville
Point over LaCrosse-- I can't even imagine Point losing 3 straight....just not possible to think about....I believe that coaching staff will do whatever it takes even if that means the three of them suiting up(wouldn't that be fun)....it will be a good game but I predict Point by 9
Shocker of the weekend.....Superior over WW at Superior.....I don't know if this is a wish or a true prediction....I am just a sucker for the underdog I guess
Stout- I think Stout is itching to give a butt kicking to someone and I am afraid Oshkosh might be it
River Falls over Platteville
Point over LaCrosse-- I can't even imagine Point losing 3 straight....just not possible to think about....I believe that coaching staff will do whatever it takes even if that means the three of them suiting up(wouldn't that be fun)....it will be a good game but I predict Point by 9
Shocker of the weekend.....Superior over WW at Superior.....I don't know if this is a wish or a true prediction....I am just a sucker for the underdog I guess
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 08, 2006, 03:57:11 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 08, 2006, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on December 08, 2006, 12:10:50 PM
EagleAlum- I was simply stating that after a big win sometimes you come out flat at your next game. It wasn't an excuse. I didn't say it would happen all the time after a big win. When this happens to a team one time, does that suddenly mean they are not contenders? Of course not. I'm sure you've seen teams come out flat after a big win whether it was high school, college or YES, even the pros. It happens.
I agree, it does happen. I guess I just think that takes away from the team who wins the game who deserves the credit. EC led 20-19 with 6:00 to go in the 1st so it's not like they came out flat and got rolled. The 2nd half is where things got away.
Again, I guess this for me isn't the EC/LaX. In general, I just think that's a cliche that is used way too much for teams that start games, halves bad. We came out flat. More so from coaches than fans probably. I know it happens, you see it at all levels. Sorry no disrespect intended by making the response.
But, what you said was they didn't come in overconfident, they were flat. I think La Crosse deserves credit for winning a game we all agreed was a big game, by a comfortable margin. It's not like Eau Claire didn't know La Crosse was good, so they shouldn't have been overconfident or flat. Now again, I know it happens. I'd say the same for La Crosse struggling with Platteville the other night; I think it's an insult to UW-P to say, "La Crosse came out flat, that's the reason Platteville was winning the first half.
You may be right, they may have been flat, and it happens a lot; I just feel like teams, especially in the WIAC where you KNOW everyone is good, deserve the credit for W's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 08, 2006, 10:08:33 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 08, 2006, 10:08:33 PM
Going to be at RF tomorrow. can someone, who saw my lady pioneers at LX comment on their performance. Also, can someone give me some info on the lady Falcons? thank You and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 08, 2006, 11:30:45 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 08, 2006, 11:30:45 PM
Superfan -
If you see this in time before tomorrow's game, here's my brief comments about the Falcons -
I was impressed with the players who had numbers in the 40s on the jerseys. Seems like they were causing the Blugolds all kinds of problems on Wednesday. They are Megan Lindman #44 and Kelsie Flanscha #40, as post players, and #43 Krista Cordes, a guard, who seemed to be in the paint a lot that night, too.
Of course, #25 is someone to watch, too, that being Traci Reimann. She's difficult to stop. As the old saying goes, you can only hope to contain her. Ha.
Not sure how well your Pioneers match up inside, but that size might be a factor in the Falcons' favor?
Blugold fans will go through withdrawal pains for about a month now, as the next two games are non-conference games on the road, and a tournament in Texas over the Christmas break. 'Golds don't play at home again until Whitewater comes to Zorn on Jan. 3...
If you see this in time before tomorrow's game, here's my brief comments about the Falcons -
I was impressed with the players who had numbers in the 40s on the jerseys. Seems like they were causing the Blugolds all kinds of problems on Wednesday. They are Megan Lindman #44 and Kelsie Flanscha #40, as post players, and #43 Krista Cordes, a guard, who seemed to be in the paint a lot that night, too.
Of course, #25 is someone to watch, too, that being Traci Reimann. She's difficult to stop. As the old saying goes, you can only hope to contain her. Ha.
Not sure how well your Pioneers match up inside, but that size might be a factor in the Falcons' favor?
Blugold fans will go through withdrawal pains for about a month now, as the next two games are non-conference games on the road, and a tournament in Texas over the Christmas break. 'Golds don't play at home again until Whitewater comes to Zorn on Jan. 3...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 09, 2006, 06:10:36 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 09, 2006, 06:10:36 AM
Bulk 19: Thank you. I agree RF is a good posting team.. 25 killed us last year at PV, she drilled 7 or 8 3 point shots sliding off the High post. As to the Holidays it is tough not to see your team for weeks. I guess we have to realize this is not the NBA, although it is much more entertaining. God Bless and have a great Christmas, even without Women BB. PS nice upset over Stout 10 days ago, coach Thomas said too many cheap fouls were called on All American 40. I miss the Thomas vs Lisa Stone games when I lived in EC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 05:49:26 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 05:49:26 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 09, 2006, 06:10:36 AM
25 killed us last year at PV, she drilled 7 or 8 3 point shots sliding off the High post.
Not sure what game you saw last year, Reiman only shot one 3-pointer that game. She did have a great game and was 10-13 from the field, so maybe some of those were mid-range jumpers. Memory fails as you age doesn't it? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 07:14:18 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 07:14:18 PM
Pointers up 20 on La Crosse early in the second half: http://www.uwsp.edu/Athletics/wbb/live/XLIVE.HTM
Point shooting 63.6%!
Point shooting 63.6%!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 08:07:50 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 09, 2006, 08:07:50 PM
Point flattens LC 83-60.
WW beats SUP 72-61.
Platteville beats RF 54-52. (The aforementioned Reimann is held without a field goal.)
OSH and Stout is just underway: http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/live/xlive.htm
WW beats SUP 72-61.
Platteville beats RF 54-52. (The aforementioned Reimann is held without a field goal.)
OSH and Stout is just underway: http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/live/xlive.htm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 09, 2006, 08:45:21 PM
Post by: buf on December 09, 2006, 08:45:21 PM
If anyone reads this page within the next hour or so, Stout is doing a video webcast of the game vs. UWO. Go to WIAC page, and the link is under the "Radio Broadcast/Live Stats"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 09, 2006, 10:19:06 PM
Post by: buf on December 09, 2006, 10:19:06 PM
Stout wins by about a dozen after dominating the 1st half. Actually, UWO ( basically Becky Knapp) made a run and got within 5pts with about 5min to go.
For the most part, I liked what I saw from UWO. They seem more "tougher" in the paint than they were last year. Plus, the players that are taking almost all of the shots are their best players, (Knapp, Tyriver, Sharpee), not the inexperienced ones.
Do any Stout fans know whats up with L. Geissler? Her freshman year she played well. Last year she played OK. This year she is really struggling. Coming out of high school, I thought she would have a great shot at making multiple all-conference teams. Did she peak early or is she just in a slump?
For the most part, I liked what I saw from UWO. They seem more "tougher" in the paint than they were last year. Plus, the players that are taking almost all of the shots are their best players, (Knapp, Tyriver, Sharpee), not the inexperienced ones.
Do any Stout fans know whats up with L. Geissler? Her freshman year she played well. Last year she played OK. This year she is really struggling. Coming out of high school, I thought she would have a great shot at making multiple all-conference teams. Did she peak early or is she just in a slump?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 10, 2006, 12:52:07 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 10, 2006, 12:52:07 AM
Returned an hour ago from UWRF. First half was very ugly, UWRF up 18-15.RF all conference player Reimer held to 2 points. Good job by Liz Tesch of UWP on her. Also Lindman, Sr Post held in check with foul Trouble. Weuben of Platteville fouled badly, no call, knocked out of game . Came back two minutes later and scored last 9 points of game. Number21 for RF had 16 points and kept RF in game. Very small crowd, a lot of fans missed a good game. Pep Band only Rf fans making any noise. Both teams played hard and deserved to win. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 02:23:50 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 02:23:50 AM
Disappointed to see my Eagles drop one at Point today but again, the WIAC proves how difficult it is to win on the road. If you take out Superior there have been only 2 road wins this year. Stout at Platteville and Platteville today at River Falls. They always say in the NBA that in the playoffs a series doesn't actually begin until someone wins on the road. Well, right now, virtually the ENTIRE LEAGUE has held serve. Impressive. Good win for Platteville today (obviously); potentially a crippling loss for River down the road when seeding time rolls around; plus they've already had 3 home games.
Not all that surprised by the Point win. You know Shirley had to have them coming in spitting nails after 2 straight tough road losses. Plus La Crosse hasn't won at SP in a long time and Point hasn't lost at home in forever either.
Stout still a little bit of a question mark. In four games, they've arguably played 3 of the weakest teams and EC. And they lost to the best of them.
buf- I was all ready to come and say, "Geissler's pretty solid" ... then I looked at the stats. Ouch, she is struggling. 2-for-27 from the 3? 8-for-20 from the line. She's too good a shooter for numbers like that. I really like the Geissler's and I don't have an answer why she's not shooting well. I know it's not for lack of effort, at least in the past. I've seen her in pre-game with a chair out on the court working on her shot and legs, etc. Unique drills she was doing. Anyway, the only thing I know that's different is that since she got to Stout, she put on a bunch of muscle and I think slowed down a bit, has that affected her shot? Not sure. You're right though, as a freshman she was tough. Still, even last year, I would have wanted her on the court for me down the stretch cause I felt like a clutch shot from her was going in. Having not seen her this year, I guess I don't know.
They will need her though to meet the lofty expectations. But if she feels like she can't shoot right now, it'll be tough to break out. Hope she waits one more conference game to do so.
Stout at La Crosse will open the New Year's Schedule (I think). First place after 5 on the line.
Not all that surprised by the Point win. You know Shirley had to have them coming in spitting nails after 2 straight tough road losses. Plus La Crosse hasn't won at SP in a long time and Point hasn't lost at home in forever either.
Stout still a little bit of a question mark. In four games, they've arguably played 3 of the weakest teams and EC. And they lost to the best of them.
buf- I was all ready to come and say, "Geissler's pretty solid" ... then I looked at the stats. Ouch, she is struggling. 2-for-27 from the 3? 8-for-20 from the line. She's too good a shooter for numbers like that. I really like the Geissler's and I don't have an answer why she's not shooting well. I know it's not for lack of effort, at least in the past. I've seen her in pre-game with a chair out on the court working on her shot and legs, etc. Unique drills she was doing. Anyway, the only thing I know that's different is that since she got to Stout, she put on a bunch of muscle and I think slowed down a bit, has that affected her shot? Not sure. You're right though, as a freshman she was tough. Still, even last year, I would have wanted her on the court for me down the stretch cause I felt like a clutch shot from her was going in. Having not seen her this year, I guess I don't know.
They will need her though to meet the lofty expectations. But if she feels like she can't shoot right now, it'll be tough to break out. Hope she waits one more conference game to do so.
Stout at La Crosse will open the New Year's Schedule (I think). First place after 5 on the line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 10, 2006, 10:36:36 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 10, 2006, 10:36:36 AM
Dito, shooters need to shoot out of slumps. Stout has plenty of Depth, they do not reley on one player other than Debois, They win by playing 40 minutes of speed up bump and run, AKA 40 minutes of H, like Nolan Richardson at Arkansas! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2006, 04:03:06 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2006, 04:03:06 PM
As expected, UWEC falls to St. Cloud State 71-55. I think they were ranked #4 in D2. Heidi A leads the way with 15pts and Zenner adds 12pts, all in the 2nd half. SCS's all star center had 28pts and 18rebs. Against Stout last year I think she had 31pts 22rebs. I think she belongs at the D1 level ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 04:36:59 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: buf on December 10, 2006, 04:03:06 PM
As expected, UWEC falls to St. Cloud State 71-55. I think they were ranked #4 in D2. Heidi A leads the way with 15pts and Zenner adds 12pts, all in the 2nd half. SCS's all star center had 28pts and 18rebs. Against Stout last year I think she had 31pts 22rebs. I think she belongs at the D1 level ;)
Buf- Was it a close 16 or a blowout 16? Just curious if they were in it the last 10 minutes or trimmed, say a 25-point lead down at the end. St. Cloud's website is awful, they don't even have home results from THURSDAY posted, at least on the schedule.
And yeah, Quigley is a pre-season All-American and was the Region POTY last year. She's tough. Amazing. In her career she's averaged - 18.1 as a freshman, 22.7 as a sophomore, 22.2 as a junior, and now 22.7 again as a senior. 2,112 in her career so far!
They were actually ranked 23rd in D-2 in this week's poll.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 10, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 10, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
The WARHAWKS defeated Superior 72-61 on the road. Trailing through the first half, by as many as 12 at times, WW rallied to pull even 33-33 on a Lyndsey Buechner jump shot with less than 2 minutes remaining and took their first lead, 36-33, on a three pointer by Rachel Woolever a short time later. The half ended with WW up four, 39-35. Superior never led or was tied after that though they did pull to within two points with about four and half minutes remaining. However a three-pointer by Trisha Thill ended that threat.
Tiffany Morten paced the WARHAWKS with 21 points and 9 rebounds. She's really been playing well lately and is becoming more and more a force in games. Buechner also pulled down 9 rebounds and contributed 13 points. Thill added 10 points and 3 steals.
WARHAWKS go to 2-1 in conference play and 6-3 on the season.
Tiffany Morten paced the WARHAWKS with 21 points and 9 rebounds. She's really been playing well lately and is becoming more and more a force in games. Buechner also pulled down 9 rebounds and contributed 13 points. Thill added 10 points and 3 steals.
WARHAWKS go to 2-1 in conference play and 6-3 on the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:34:18 PM
EagleAlum -
St. Cloud St. Uni. jumped out to an 18-0 run, with the Blugolds scoring their first two points at the 13:30 mark. Ouch. Not the way to start a game; Blugolds have had trouble coming out with intensity this year and last, and have let way too many teams jump way out in front in the first half... They are still a young team, but they are going to have to "learn" to come out for the opening tip...
Halftime score was 35-23. Lead was as big as 25 with 9:56 to go; 16 is as close as the Blugolds got...
Key stats - Golds outrebounded, 52-35; Erika Quigley had a monster game for the Huskies, with 28 points, 18 boards and three blocked shots. Looks like all the 'Golds got a bit of playing time....
St. Cloud St. Uni. jumped out to an 18-0 run, with the Blugolds scoring their first two points at the 13:30 mark. Ouch. Not the way to start a game; Blugolds have had trouble coming out with intensity this year and last, and have let way too many teams jump way out in front in the first half... They are still a young team, but they are going to have to "learn" to come out for the opening tip...
Halftime score was 35-23. Lead was as big as 25 with 9:56 to go; 16 is as close as the Blugolds got...
Key stats - Golds outrebounded, 52-35; Erika Quigley had a monster game for the Huskies, with 28 points, 18 boards and three blocked shots. Looks like all the 'Golds got a bit of playing time....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:45:25 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:45:25 PM
OK, so I praise the Blugolds' Missy Fremstad for her play in a win in the Stout game, and in her next game, a loss against La Crosse, she misses all of her shots from the field, and hits one of two free throws, for one point. Meanwhile, the Eagles' Ashley Wagner goes off for 17 points...
Then, I praise UW River Falls' Traci Reimann for her 21 points and eight boards in a loss against the Blugolds, and in her next game, a loss to Platteville yesterday, she misses all her shots from the field and scores her only two points on free throws. But she did pull down 14 boards...
So, fellow WIAC followers, I sense a pattern developing here. Anybody have a specific player they want me to talk up, so I jinx her for her next game? ;)
Then, I praise UW River Falls' Traci Reimann for her 21 points and eight boards in a loss against the Blugolds, and in her next game, a loss to Platteville yesterday, she misses all her shots from the field and scores her only two points on free throws. But she did pull down 14 boards...
So, fellow WIAC followers, I sense a pattern developing here. Anybody have a specific player they want me to talk up, so I jinx her for her next game? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 09:01:14 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 09:01:14 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 08:45:25 PM
So, fellow WIAC followers, I sense a pattern developing here. Anybody have a specific player they want me to talk up, so I jinx her for her next game? ;)
I'll wait until after the New Year but I'm dying to hear what you think of that Duoss girl at Stout? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
OK EagleAlum. Now I'm scaring myself...
This is what I posted before the UWEC 55-44 win over Stout:
Re the Stout/UWEC matchup, my take is, as a Blugold fan:
No question, UWEC can not get burried early in the first half, like they seemed to do quite a bit last year, then had to expend so much energy trying to get back into games... They need to stick around at half, and then anything is possible in the last 20 minutes...
Need to hit some 3s, too, so they can open the inside up. I think the 'Golds are 1-5 during the Duoss's years? The obvious would be to hope the 'Golds can get her into foul trouble by making her work on D. And maybe the new Blugold transfers, who don't know about this rivalry, won't be "intimidated" and don't know any better that Stout should win this game on paper... If one of them can have a good game, or someone off the bench can have a big game....
Duoss had 9 points, four boards, and fouled out that game!!!!
Cue the theme song for the Twilight Zone! ;)
This is what I posted before the UWEC 55-44 win over Stout:
Re the Stout/UWEC matchup, my take is, as a Blugold fan:
No question, UWEC can not get burried early in the first half, like they seemed to do quite a bit last year, then had to expend so much energy trying to get back into games... They need to stick around at half, and then anything is possible in the last 20 minutes...
Need to hit some 3s, too, so they can open the inside up. I think the 'Golds are 1-5 during the Duoss's years? The obvious would be to hope the 'Golds can get her into foul trouble by making her work on D. And maybe the new Blugold transfers, who don't know about this rivalry, won't be "intimidated" and don't know any better that Stout should win this game on paper... If one of them can have a good game, or someone off the bench can have a big game....
Duoss had 9 points, four boards, and fouled out that game!!!!
Cue the theme song for the Twilight Zone! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2006, 11:12:58 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2006, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 04:36:59 PM
Buf- Was it a close 16 or a blowout 16? Just curious if they were in it the last 10 minutes or trimmed, say a 25-point lead down at the end.
SCS went on a run to get the lead in to the low 20s. Zenner got hot late in the game and EC whittled the lead down to the mid teens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 11, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 11, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
UW-L struggles to get by Finlandia, 60-56. They're off now for a couple of weeks but they'll need to regroup, playing like this isn't good enough for the big games coming up. They are in the Clarke Tournament after XMas and open with a decent Wartburg team.
They are a veteran team though so hopefully they'll be fine.
They are a veteran team though so hopefully they'll be fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 11, 2006, 11:05:32 PM
Post by: buf on December 11, 2006, 11:05:32 PM
I just was on the UWL website and was quite a bit surprised by that score. Finlandia is only 1-7 and they usually play weak teams. I guess a win is a win. Better to have a bad game against a bad team than a good team.
Also tonight, Stout gets thumped 89-64 against D2 Minnesota State (Mankato), a team Stout beat last year by 3 points. Looks like Duoss had a good game, but again no help from anyone else. Other players for Stout NEED to step up. As each game goes by this season, it seems that Stout is relying more and more on Duoss. Stout has plenty of experienced players who should be helping out more offensively.
Also tonight, Stout gets thumped 89-64 against D2 Minnesota State (Mankato), a team Stout beat last year by 3 points. Looks like Duoss had a good game, but again no help from anyone else. Other players for Stout NEED to step up. As each game goes by this season, it seems that Stout is relying more and more on Duoss. Stout has plenty of experienced players who should be helping out more offensively.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 12, 2006, 12:05:26 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 12, 2006, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: buf on December 11, 2006, 11:05:32 PM
Other players for Stout NEED to step up. As each game goes by this season, it seems that Stout is relying more and more on Duoss. Stout has plenty of experienced players who should be helping out more offensively.
Maybe they miss Hendricks more than anyone thought. No one ever thought of her as an offensive player because of how good and physical she was defensively; but looking back she was the second-leading scorer, shot 36% from the 3, and probably was a pretty big stabilizer in what they were trying to do.
And I know that with their team who starts isn't a big deal cause they play so many, but how long will they let Geissler struggle before she loses some minutes. It's not even so much the 3-for-31 from the 3 (although that's bad) but she only shot 29% the last two years. The free throw percentage is what makes it look very mental ... 8-for-21! She was 75 and 76% the last two years. That hurts.
Now ... they are 8-2 with a D2 loss and a loss on the road to a conference rival ... so it's not like they have collapsed. They just haven't been as dominant as people thought they might be. So we'll see. Interesting note ... in their tournament in Texas they may face former UW-Oshkosh coach, Pam Ruder.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on December 12, 2006, 12:32:43 PM
Post by: T.F. Guy on December 12, 2006, 12:32:43 PM
Hey, Stout fans, relax.
Any team Mark Thomas coaches gets better as the season wears on. What, they lost a league game on the road, and to a DII team?
So?
There is a lot of season left. And it'll probably end with a Dance.
Does anyone have any observastions on last Saturday's Platteville-River Falls game? Even though the Pioneer offense should be improved -- with a mature Tesch, and developing Grantman and a healthy Wubben -- it looks like the UWP hallmarks will again be playing defense and being hard-nosed. (Translation: They might have trouble putting the ball through the basket.)
I listened to some radio feeds of the game, but all the announcers did was question the officiating. Over and over and over and over and over....
Plus, although the UWP-UWRF series is well under the radar, it's worth paying attention to. The games tend to be tough, physical, and close for all 40 minutes. It's not always artistic basketball, but it can be compelling.
Any team Mark Thomas coaches gets better as the season wears on. What, they lost a league game on the road, and to a DII team?
So?
There is a lot of season left. And it'll probably end with a Dance.
Does anyone have any observastions on last Saturday's Platteville-River Falls game? Even though the Pioneer offense should be improved -- with a mature Tesch, and developing Grantman and a healthy Wubben -- it looks like the UWP hallmarks will again be playing defense and being hard-nosed. (Translation: They might have trouble putting the ball through the basket.)
I listened to some radio feeds of the game, but all the announcers did was question the officiating. Over and over and over and over and over....
Plus, although the UWP-UWRF series is well under the radar, it's worth paying attention to. The games tend to be tough, physical, and close for all 40 minutes. It's not always artistic basketball, but it can be compelling.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 12, 2006, 09:28:20 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 12, 2006, 09:28:20 PM
See my post a couple of pages ago for my personal recap of the game. The RF PV game was a great defensive game. Wueben is a difference maker, it may take a while to get back 100 percent recovering from her knee injury. you are completely accurate in your summary of PV. The offense at PV does have some new freshmen who can shoot, what a relief. LIZ Wisdom is a highly skilled around the hoop but needs to get stronger. I feel the future is bright. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 13, 2006, 12:42:03 PM
Post by: hoops49 on December 13, 2006, 12:42:03 PM
I don't know about St. Cloud's website, but their announcers were horrible. I've listened to enough games and at least you knew what players were on the floor playing. It was a real guessing game. Had to wait for the stats to come out on that one.
Quote from: EagleAlum on December 10, 2006, 04:36:59 PMQuote from: buf on December 10, 2006, 04:03:06 PM
As expected, UWEC falls to St. Cloud State 71-55. I think they were ranked #4 in D2. Heidi A leads the way with 15pts and Zenner adds 12pts, all in the 2nd half. SCS's all star center had 28pts and 18rebs. Against Stout last year I think she had 31pts 22rebs. I think she belongs at the D1 level ;)
Buf- Was it a close 16 or a blowout 16? Just curious if they were in it the last 10 minutes or trimmed, say a 25-point lead down at the end. St. Cloud's website is awful, they don't even have home results from THURSDAY posted, at least on the schedule.
And yeah, Quigley is a pre-season All-American and was the Region POTY last year. She's tough. Amazing. In her career she's averaged - 18.1 as a freshman, 22.7 as a sophomore, 22.2 as a junior, and now 22.7 again as a senior. 2,112 in her career so far!
They were actually ranked 23rd in D-2 in this week's poll.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on December 13, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on December 13, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
T.F. Guy -
Thanks for the comment about coach T. He's a great coach AND a class act. There's been some disappointing play, but Mark and staff will get it turned in the right direction.
Thanks for the comment about coach T. He's a great coach AND a class act. There's been some disappointing play, but Mark and staff will get it turned in the right direction.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2006, 03:04:59 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2006, 03:04:59 PM
Point beat Lawrence 65-55 in a game in which no players from either team scored in double figures. I'm not sure I've ever seen that in a college game.
If you can get a triple-double, and a double-double, then I guess every player in this game recorded a nada-double. :D
If you can get a triple-double, and a double-double, then I guess every player in this game recorded a nada-double. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 13, 2006, 10:29:47 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 13, 2006, 10:29:47 PM
Platteville beats Edgewood 79-50. Edgewood shot 28% from the floor and Eagles' Scheele held to around half her scoring average again.
You WIAC schools continue to have LMC/NathCons' number.
You WIAC schools continue to have LMC/NathCons' number.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2006, 10:51:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2006, 10:51:43 PM
Edgewood only had eight players dressed for their game against us a few weeks ago. Two of them only played 6 minutes apiece so they essentially played the game with six players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 14, 2006, 09:33:45 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 14, 2006, 09:33:45 AM
Well, there's three ways to get on the front page at D3Hoops.com...
1. Beat a ranked team
2. Be a ranked team and lose
3. Lose to a team that nearly folded entirely two years ago
Unfortunately River Falls made the front page via method #3, with a shocking 52-46 loss to Macalester last night. The word unbelievable gets thrown around a lot, but this loss truly is.
1. Beat a ranked team
2. Be a ranked team and lose
3. Lose to a team that nearly folded entirely two years ago
Unfortunately River Falls made the front page via method #3, with a shocking 52-46 loss to Macalester last night. The word unbelievable gets thrown around a lot, but this loss truly is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 14, 2006, 12:13:47 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 14, 2006, 12:13:47 PM
Not a good stretch for the Falcons. My sleeper pick has gone into hibernation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 14, 2006, 12:47:59 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on December 14, 2006, 12:47:59 PM
I was at the UWRF - Macalester game last night. When I first saw the Falcons take the floor with the size they had I thought this could get ugly pretty quickly for the Scots. But smaller Macalester outhustled, outrebounded, and outplayed UWRF; at least in the first half anyway. The Falcons made some adjustments at the half and stormed back to take two brief leads before Mac stepped on the gas again to take the lead for good. Being a MIAC guy I was happy although I was a little in disbelief as well that they did this to UWRF which has some talent.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 14, 2006, 07:18:36 PM
Post by: buf on December 14, 2006, 07:18:36 PM
Whats happened to River Falls the last week? They beat Point and almost came back against EC at Zorn, and then this week they tank it by losing to Platteville at home and Macalester.
This should not be happening to a team with 5 senior starters!
This should not be happening to a team with 5 senior starters!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 03:58:34 PM
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 03:58:34 PM
UWEC loses at Carroll 64-61. Close 1st half with Carroll usually leading by a few points and a 2-point halftime lead. Carroll comes out of the gates and dominates most of the 2nd half, leading by as much as 12. Facing an 8-point deficit with under a minute left, EC makes a furious comeback thanks to Mueggenborg's 3-point shooting. EC actually stole the ball with 10sec (down by 3) but either missed a shot or turned it over. Carroll did a good job making FT's down the stretch.
Again, EC shoots horrible the first 38 min of the game. At this point they were 32%. However, they made almost every shot in the last 2min to finish at a respectable 41%. Mueggenborg leads with 17pts, almost all coming in the last minute. Burns with 14pts and Heide A. with 10pts, although she was only 3-12 on FGs, missing several short ones. Wickert had a good first half for Carroll and then Hoewich took over in the 2nd half.
Again, EC shoots horrible the first 38 min of the game. At this point they were 32%. However, they made almost every shot in the last 2min to finish at a respectable 41%. Mueggenborg leads with 17pts, almost all coming in the last minute. Burns with 14pts and Heide A. with 10pts, although she was only 3-12 on FGs, missing several short ones. Wickert had a good first half for Carroll and then Hoewich took over in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
Stout website says Finlandia (1-8) beat Stout 86-84 in overtime. Anyone listen? (Was there something to listen to?) What happened? Only half the team go up? Wait, that's probably still more players than Finlandia has...
If anyone has more information, I'd be interested in hearing it.
If anyone has more information, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 08:08:13 PM
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
Stout website says Finlandia (1-8) beat Stout 86-84 in overtime. Anyone listen? (Was there something to listen to?) What happened? Only half the team go up? Wait, that's probably still more players than Finlandia has...
If anyone has more information, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Here's a game story (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbgame.htm#2006december16)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 08:09:20 PM
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 08:09:20 PM
Finlandia is only 2-8 but they have played the WIAC well this year... a win over Stout and close games with River Falls and Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 10:06:37 PM
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 10:06:37 PM
UWO shoots 52% and has a 36-22 rebound advantage and still loses at home to St. Norbert 67-60. UWO has 30 turnovers to only 14 for Norberts.
Its weird, earlier this season at Zorn, St Norberts had 32 turnovers. What a difference!
Its weird, earlier this season at Zorn, St Norberts had 32 turnovers. What a difference!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 10:07:20 PM
Post by: buf on December 16, 2006, 10:07:20 PM
With UWO, Stout and EC losing, its not a good day in WIAC land!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 10:52:31 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 16, 2006, 10:52:31 PM
Thank you for the link. I looked at the Finlandia web site and found nothing; went back to the Stout web site, and it wouldn't even come up. I thought the school had imploded. I found the box score when I went back to the Finlandia site.
Look's like Stout's freshmen are stepping up.
In other sports news--
Finlandia also beat UW-Superior in men's hockey tonight. I guess it was Finlandia's time to shine. They've been taking drubbings in virtually every sport for the past several years. I have mixed feelings about today's wins...
UW-Superior women beat St Scholastica by 15 or so this afternoon. They were down by ten or more early in the game and came back to tie it up at halftime. They're doing pretty well against schools of similar size.
Look's like Stout's freshmen are stepping up.
In other sports news--
Finlandia also beat UW-Superior in men's hockey tonight. I guess it was Finlandia's time to shine. They've been taking drubbings in virtually every sport for the past several years. I have mixed feelings about today's wins...
UW-Superior women beat St Scholastica by 15 or so this afternoon. They were down by ten or more early in the game and came back to tie it up at halftime. They're doing pretty well against schools of similar size.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 17, 2006, 11:19:28 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 17, 2006, 11:19:28 AM
To wrap up the day's results Platteville beat Trinity International by about 8 on the road.
Tough week and weekend for the WIAC. I think everyone could use a little break before getting back into it.
Tough week and weekend for the WIAC. I think everyone could use a little break before getting back into it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 18, 2006, 02:16:54 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 18, 2006, 02:16:54 AM
I agree with a bad week for the WIAC. It was a bad loss for Stout. They are just better than that to lose to Finlandia, cannot even spell it!Also, glad that St Norbert is playing UWO, but they should not beat them. Is UWO a little weak in the post? A little Short? Plenty of Talent but the right mix? I saw UWP play Edgewood of Madison. Good game for 15 minutes. EC had only 8 players on trip and got worn down, As to UWP vs Trinity International, we were up by 18 with 5 minutes to go and blew 13 points of our lead. Not good, but a win is a win! God Bless you guys and gals and have a Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 09:40:44 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 09:40:44 AM
I was interested in the comment about St Cloud broadcast(er)s; I watched the Madison-Pitt BB game Saturday with commentator Dick Vitale and, by about the sixth minute, wanted to kill myself. Honest to God, that guy blathered on forever about every inconsequential thing one could or couldn't imagine. I can't believe I've never listened to him before; heard OF him, but I don't recall actually listening TO him. Which probably explains why I'm not a homicidal maniac--or haven't been, so far. Entertaining? Yes, if you consider periodically poking yourself in the eye or ear with a sharp object entertaining. I know, I know. Everybody else loves the guy. You people (who do) drink too much.
Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...
Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2006, 01:36:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2006, 01:36:32 PM
The WARHAWK women defeated George Fox University in Hawaii on Saturday by a 53-47 score. WHITEWATER led 33-27 at the half. The scoring slowed in the second half and WW led by a single point, 48-47, with about a minute to go when Rachel Woolever hit a three-pointer to make the margin 51-47. George Fox fouled WW on its next two possesions, but Lindsey Buechner and Nicole Bundy both made the front end of one-and-ones to create the final margin.
Buechner was the only Warhawk in double figures with 14 points. Tiffany Morton led the Warhawks with 11 rebounds, while also adding 8 points.
WHITEWATER, 6-3 overall, will play Siena Heights College (MI) in Honolulu Monday.
Not "everybody else" loves Dicky V, foul. Personally I'm not too keen on him but it is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before. He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer. ;)
Buechner was the only Warhawk in double figures with 14 points. Tiffany Morton led the Warhawks with 11 rebounds, while also adding 8 points.
WHITEWATER, 6-3 overall, will play Siena Heights College (MI) in Honolulu Monday.
Not "everybody else" loves Dicky V, foul. Personally I'm not too keen on him but it is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before. He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 18, 2006, 01:49:52 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 18, 2006, 01:49:52 PM
Oshkosh is lacking all-around talent, experience, leadership, and a point guard.
Yep...that pretty much sums it up.
Yep...that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2006, 02:24:45 PM
Post by: buf on December 18, 2006, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on December 18, 2006, 01:49:52 PM
Oshkosh is lacking all-around talent, experience, leadership, and a point guard.
Yep...that pretty much sums it up.
I somewhat agree with this.
Talent: UWO has 2 really good players in Tyriver and Knapp. Sharpee is also very good. The problem in this category is talent depth. A huge dropoff after these 3 players.
Experience: This one is the killer! Only Tyriver and Knapp the only ones with experience.
Leadership: I actually think UWO is doing pretty decent here. Knapp and Tyriver are clearly taking control of the team. They do almost all of the shooting.
Point Guard: Isn't Knapp the point guard? She is clearly one of the best players in the conference.
Overall, I believe this team will surprise some of the top conference teams by years end. The reason they lost the Norbert's game was because of 30 turnovers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2006, 02:32:11 PM
Post by: buf on December 18, 2006, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2006, 01:36:32 PM
The WARHAWK women defeated George Fox University in Hawaii on Saturday by a 53-47 score. WHITEWATER led 33-27 at the half. The scoring slowed in the second half and WW led by a single point, 48-47, with about a minute to go when Rachel Woolever hit a three-pointer to make the margin 51-47. George Fox fouled WW on its next two possesions, but Lindsey Buechner and Nicole Bundy both made the front end of one-and-ones to create the final margin.
Buechner was the only Warhawk in double figures with 14 points. Tiffany Morton led the Warhawks with 11 rebounds, while also adding 8 points.
WHITEWATER, 6-3 overall, will play Siena Heights College (MI) in Honolulu Monday.
Not "everybody else" loves Dicky V, foul. Personally I'm not too keen on him but it is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before. He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer. ;)
UWO plays George Fox before year's end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
QuoteOverall, I believe this team will surprise some of the top conference teams by years end
I thought UWO was going to fold last year; they lost significant players AND a coach. They came through much better than I thought they would. I'm beginning to realize that talent, alone, won't carry a team. Talent harnessed and played appropriate to the competition is what makes a decent team a very good or great team. An inflexible coach will win sometimes and lose too many games. A coach who recognizes the comepetition's strengths and weaknesses and can train his or her players to focus on those things--flexibility--will likely do better. I think the UWO coach is probably a decent strategist. I haven't seen the team play except in the final UWO-Stout matchup in Menomonie. I think they tired out that night.
This year, they have bigger challenges, although as the season goes on, the team should make up for player 'newness'. I suspect they'll surprise me, again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 18, 2006, 06:22:51 PM
Post by: BDB on December 18, 2006, 06:22:51 PM
Quote from: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 09:40:44 AM
I was interested in the comment about St Cloud broadcast(er)s; I watched the Madison-Pitt BB game Saturday with commentator Dick Vitale and, by about the sixth minute, wanted to kill myself. Honest to God, that guy blathered on forever about every inconsequential thing one could or couldn't imagine. I can't believe I've never listened to him before; heard OF him, but I don't recall actually listening TO him. Which probably explains why I'm not a homicidal maniac--or haven't been, so far. Entertaining? Yes, if you consider periodically poking yourself in the eye or ear with a sharp object entertaining. I know, I know. Everybody else loves the guy. You people (who do) drink too much.
Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...
Although he doesn't talk like him on a broadcast, Stoutguy looks like Dick Vitale! :D
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fi%2Ftalent%2Fdickvitale%2Fdv.gif&hash=298b2062ae2de3c6329d1c9f0c1eea5f989911df)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 08:22:41 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 08:22:41 PM
Quoteit is somewhat surprising to me to find a basketball fan who hasn't listened to him before. He's only been on the national scene a decade or longer
I can only say that, perhaps, my innate instinct for survival has protected me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 18, 2006, 10:24:01 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 18, 2006, 10:24:01 PM
Tyriver(sp) is one of the best athletes in the conference. i saw her play Fast pitch for the Titans and she is also a great Softball player. I think she played SS and hit 3rd. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 19, 2006, 01:42:32 AM
Post by: wiac482002 on December 19, 2006, 01:42:32 AM
She might be one of the best players at softball but she's not at the top in WBB. She leads the UWO team along with Knapp because they have no one else. We'll see how they do against teams coming up...maybe cut down the 30 TO's and maybe then they will win
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on December 19, 2006, 09:08:03 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on December 19, 2006, 09:08:03 AM
BDB -
You made a good point... throw a Stout sweatshirt and glasses on Vitale and you have Stoutguy!
You made a good point... throw a Stout sweatshirt and glasses on Vitale and you have Stoutguy!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2006, 09:43:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2006, 09:43:11 AM
The WARHAWKS topped NAIA Siena Heights 67-47.
UW-WW shot 52% from the floor in the first half to lead 42-25.
Tiffany Morton took scoring honors with 14 points. Emily Peters added 10 points. Morton, Peters and Lindsey Buechner each grabbed six rebounds to lead UW-W to a 51-34 advantage on the boards. Trisha Thill chipped in with a game-high five steals.
UW-WW improves to 7-3 and is idle until next week Thursday when they will host Judson.
UW-WW shot 52% from the floor in the first half to lead 42-25.
Tiffany Morton took scoring honors with 14 points. Emily Peters added 10 points. Morton, Peters and Lindsey Buechner each grabbed six rebounds to lead UW-W to a 51-34 advantage on the boards. Trisha Thill chipped in with a game-high five steals.
UW-WW improves to 7-3 and is idle until next week Thursday when they will host Judson.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 19, 2006, 07:00:44 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 19, 2006, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 18, 2006, 06:22:51 PMQuote from: foul_language on December 18, 2006, 09:40:44 AM
I was interested in the comment about St Cloud broadcast(er)s; I watched the Madison-Pitt BB game Saturday with commentator Dick Vitale and, by about the sixth minute, wanted to kill myself. Honest to God, that guy blathered on forever about every inconsequential thing one could or couldn't imagine. I can't believe I've never listened to him before; heard OF him, but I don't recall actually listening TO him. Which probably explains why I'm not a homicidal maniac--or haven't been, so far. Entertaining? Yes, if you consider periodically poking yourself in the eye or ear with a sharp object entertaining. I know, I know. Everybody else loves the guy. You people (who do) drink too much.
Thankfully, he doesn't do WIAC games...
Although he doesn't talk like him on a broadcast, Stoutguy looks like Dick Vitale! :D
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fi%2Ftalent%2Fdickvitale%2Fdv.gif&hash=298b2062ae2de3c6329d1c9f0c1eea5f989911df)
Real cute, BDB. I may look like him, and yes, that hurts a bit to say that, but I can honestly say that I have never listened to anyone who bothers me more that Dick V.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 19, 2006, 07:45:08 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 19, 2006, 07:45:08 PM
Risking sounding like I'm brown-nosing, Stoutguy is waaaaaaay better than Vitale.
Happy Holidays from F.L. to y'all. (use the link below for a great Holiday greeting; hope I'm not violating a ton of rules. This is NOT obscene...)
http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf (http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf)
Happy Holidays from F.L. to y'all. (use the link below for a great Holiday greeting; hope I'm not violating a ton of rules. This is NOT obscene...)
http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf (http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 19, 2006, 10:25:06 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 19, 2006, 10:25:06 PM
To Foul language: You need a better name. I did not read your attachment, but you do not use foul language in your posts, which i find entertaining. have a Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 19, 2006, 10:37:41 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 19, 2006, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: foul_language on December 19, 2006, 07:45:08 PM
Risking sounding like I'm brown-nosing, Stoutguy is waaaaaaay better than Vitale.
Happy Holidays from F.L. to y'all. (use the link below for a great Holiday greeting; hope I'm not violating a ton of rules. This is NOT obscene...)
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Thanks, Foul Language, I think. Your take on the Stout team to date. I expected this to be one of Mark's best and maybe it still will be. So far, however, some frustrations, don't you think? I sometimes wonder if Mark's frustration during the game turns into the players frustrations. For instance, they know they are coming out if they make a mistake. Care to comment?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 10:02:29 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 10:02:29 AM
QuoteCare to comment?Dying to.
If anyone has paid attention to the change in roster, one would note there has been something in the neighborhood of nine players lost and replaced since last year. I'm guessing the biggest challenge right now is getting them into some kind of cohesive unit--especially hard when you're dealing with the kinds of numbers T traditionally carries on the roster. He does have some outstanding freshmen, who don't appear to be intimidated by the pace of college ball or the quality of opponents they're meeting. Right now, it looks more like some of the more senior players are not meeting expectations. Again, I think that's more a question of refining what's pretty much a new game for all of them. I'm pretty sure that by the time Stout hits the second half of the season, they'll be more comfortable with each other and we'll see another dominating performance.
I was surprised at the outcome of the Finlandia game. When I saw Finlandia on the schedule, my initial response was that it was just plain cruel. Obviously, Finlandia was prepared for a battle and Stout wasn't--maybe thought the way I did: Finlandia wouldn't even be a speed bump. Score makes me think defense might have been a little weak. I didn't get to listen to the game--was it on computer broadcast?
Anyway, in sports familiarity breeds success. Other than that, a sense of team is very important and players have to accept the fact that in a machine, all parts are equally important. Don't underestimate the importance of bench players--whether in games or practice, they make a difference (thus, loss of nine can twist the personality/performance of the team). Maybe some expectations have to come up a little, some may have to come down.
I think a sense of humor is important, too. It works well for me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on December 20, 2006, 11:31:36 AM
Post by: cubs on December 20, 2006, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: wiac482002 on December 19, 2006, 01:42:32 AMWhere did anyone ever say she was one of the best basketball players??
She might be one of the best players at softball but she's not at the top in WBB.
UWPSUPERFAN77 said she was "one of the best ATHLETES," which I would have to agree she probably is. How many other girls out there could earn 1st Team All Conference in one TEAM sport (softball) and also earn some type of All Conference recognition in another TEAM sport the following year (she should at least earn HM in basketball this season)??
Quite impressive if you ask me....... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 20, 2006, 11:39:41 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 20, 2006, 11:39:41 AM
In my long distance observation, it takes a little longer for new freshman to develop in the Stout system then at other schools. I think it has to do with the frequent substitution patterns. New players just don't get that many consecutive minutes on the floor, and when they do get out there I think they feel they need to "make something happen" right away. That can lead to unforced turnovers and defensive breakdowns. I think it takes more games to get Stout freshman comfortable and acclimated, because the minutes are so sporadic.
FL, you mentioned that you thought the freshman were adjusting very well, so maybe my theory doesn't hold up in this case. I wouldn't be too worried about Stout. They have a history of taking some bad losses early in the season and then cleaning up their act later in the year. If they still take bad losses in mid to late January, then I might be worried.
FL, you mentioned that you thought the freshman were adjusting very well, so maybe my theory doesn't hold up in this case. I wouldn't be too worried about Stout. They have a history of taking some bad losses early in the season and then cleaning up their act later in the year. If they still take bad losses in mid to late January, then I might be worried.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 11:55:08 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 11:55:08 AM
Quoteit takes a little longer for new freshman to develop in the Stout system
I would agree, which is why I'm impressed with the way some of these freshmen are handling themselves. Julia Hirssig comes to mind as a player who doesn't seem to be affected by new year, new team, new level of competition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 20, 2006, 06:55:49 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 20, 2006, 06:55:49 PM
Some great observations, FL. I, too, was very surprised by the Finlandia loss. I have not talked to Mark but I think I will tomorrow at hoops club. I am sure he is concerned about team play right now. I had Kim Stokke on our half time at the Menomonie HS game last night and she talked about the adjustment to college ball and for the most part, really is excited to contribute, whenever that might be. She seems a step slow comparded to last year, but I think she can be a nice player in Mark's system. I, too, think this team has the potential to do some very special things by the end of this year. I sure hope it happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 08:05:40 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 20, 2006, 08:05:40 PM
The interesting thing about going from high school to college ball is that what seems incredibly fast at high school level gets blown away by college speed, especially the way Stout--really most schools--has played. I remember the Laura Verdegan era when huddles broke to the shout, "Fly around" or something like that. They did fly. They still fly pretty well sometimes. Stokke probably hasn't so much lost a step as met her match and better in others on the team. They were all stars on their high school teams; they become average on the college team. That, in itself, must be hard to adjust to.
My daughter attended one of her high school practices over a break a couple years ago and said she couldn't believe how slow the pace was, how little movement there was. When I watch a high school game, what I miss most is the shot clock. I just want to boot those kids in the butt and scream, "take a damn shot! do anything!"
But, I digress. The point of all this is that I don't worry too much about Stout. They ebb and flow, but they win when it counts.
My daughter attended one of her high school practices over a break a couple years ago and said she couldn't believe how slow the pace was, how little movement there was. When I watch a high school game, what I miss most is the shot clock. I just want to boot those kids in the butt and scream, "take a damn shot! do anything!"
But, I digress. The point of all this is that I don't worry too much about Stout. They ebb and flow, but they win when it counts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 10:43:18 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 10:43:18 AM
I hate posting two in a row; it looks like I'm talking to myself... :-\
But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that (scathing adjective removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?
But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that (scathing adjective removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 21, 2006, 11:25:58 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 21, 2006, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 10:43:18 AM
I hate posting two in a row; it looks like I'm talking to myself... :-\
But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that (scathing adjective removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?
Okay, I'll talk to you so it doesn't look like you are talking to yourself. I don't know if the Texas games will be on the internet, but we (WMEQ) are just doing road games on Wednesdays and doubleheaders on Sat.s and only conference games. The internet is about the only way to go for our broadcasts also, as our AM stations around here are a tad bit short on power. The good part of that news is we can blab away and really enjoy the game ourselves with the knowlege that only 2 or 3 people can tune the game in because of reception. Takes all the pressure off us. But that internet thing can get a person in trouble. I remember my partner and I making a snide comment about driving up to Superior for a game and I think it was you who caught it on the internet and took us to task for it. Regarding that trip, this year I told Ed Andrist on our Sat. show that the bad news was we had to drive up to Superior for a game but the good news was when we got up there we got to play Superior. As it turns out both the men and the women's teams appear to be better up there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 11:44:59 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 11:44:59 AM
I think UW-Superior's biggest issues--at least the women's--has been stamina. UWS can play a decent first half but doesn't have enough life left to carry on a complete second half. This year, the women did very well against Stout--especially in the second half ( :-X), which looked promising. They tanked against Whitewater a couple nights later. Nice game against St Scholastica, though. With some recruiting--Mulhern didn't really have a shot at any real recruiting after a spring hire--the depth/stamina thing will probably iron out. I think a summer program would benefit the team, as well.
You know, I've always argued that bus rides play a big part in the quality of play, which might have been a factor in the Stout-Finlandia game. You plant a team on a bus for a couple of hours, and I believe there's some drainage going on--energy, specifically. It's a little like hibernating and then trying to resume warp speed immediately.
I'll keep an ear to the internet, hoping Pam Ruder can work some kind of magic at her end.
Thank you for talking to me.
You know, I've always argued that bus rides play a big part in the quality of play, which might have been a factor in the Stout-Finlandia game. You plant a team on a bus for a couple of hours, and I believe there's some drainage going on--energy, specifically. It's a little like hibernating and then trying to resume warp speed immediately.
I'll keep an ear to the internet, hoping Pam Ruder can work some kind of magic at her end.
Thank you for talking to me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 21, 2006, 04:13:04 PM
Post by: BDB on December 21, 2006, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 10:43:18 AM
I hate posting two in a row; it looks like I'm talking to myself... :-\
But, I'm wondering if the Stout women's games in Texas will be on radio/internet? Internet is the more pressing question, since I probably won't pull in that (scathing adjective removed) AM station from Menomonie/Eau Claire way up here. Really, would a stronger signal be too much to ask?
Hello foul,
Concerning Stout women's games on the internet, just keep an eye on the women's basketball part of the Stout website. If Stoutguy and Jake aren't doing the games at anytime, the SID will link to the other team's radio coverage if available on the net.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos1.blogger.com%2Fx%2Fblogger%2F3987%2F2986%2F320%2F379205%2FDickie.jpg&hash=5705635fee86e527a0d39d52a8ad33882f63827c)
But beware, you may end up listening to a Dickie V. wannabe! :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 07:59:17 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 21, 2006, 07:59:17 PM
For God's sake! Get off line; the game is about to start!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 21, 2006, 09:03:40 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 21, 2006, 09:03:40 PM
Stay on the line, the game is on the NFL network, which none of us on regular Cable get! Blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 24, 2006, 03:36:10 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 24, 2006, 03:36:10 PM
Hope you all have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 26, 2006, 07:39:45 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 26, 2006, 07:39:45 PM
Some questions and observations: Just come back from seeing the relatives in Milwaukee. Is this site dead? FL. does your daughter play college BB or coach. If you want to tell me privately, that is fine? You have a lot of insight that I enjoy! Mr. Downtown or other UWO fans: Why did your Titans Women Coach leave last year for a smaller School? I thought Pam Rider did a great job for you guys? I do agree that Ms Trivilar is also a great BB player. I was trying to emphasise how good She was in both Sports. Looks like UWW is having a good season. Your coach is finely reaping some rewards for her hard work. All I want for Christmas is my my two Positive Karma, My front teeth are fine. Blessings and happy New Year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 10:59:41 AM
Post by: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 10:59:41 AM
U-Super 77--My daughter used to play college basketball and soccer; through a series of unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) events, she transferred on the assumption she'd be able to play DI soccer and declare a major. Never assume anything, especially when you don't get the full story...
Anyway, she has a nice part-time job and a major. You can't underestimate the value of a major when you're in college. I think she may even have a plan. Yikes.
Belated holiday greetings to all.
Anyway, she has a nice part-time job and a major. You can't underestimate the value of a major when you're in college. I think she may even have a plan. Yikes.
Belated holiday greetings to all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 27, 2006, 01:03:55 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 27, 2006, 01:03:55 PM
Its all rumors out of Oshkosh exactly why did Pam Ruder leave. I heard from her former players that she is getting more money to coach in Texas than in Wisconsin.
Plus, there wasn't much more she could do in Oshkosh. I think she needed a new place to go.
Plus, there wasn't much more she could do in Oshkosh. I think she needed a new place to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 01:10:55 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 01:10:55 PM
I' M A STARTER!!! MY WILDEST DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!!!!!!!!
Now I'm going after the PowerBall.
I don't get benched because I can't make my quota of karma points or anything, right? I know in most games (not golf, of course) points are vital (NOT vitale).
One thing I've got nailed: I can be defensive and offensive; often at the same time.
Now I'm going after the PowerBall.
I don't get benched because I can't make my quota of karma points or anything, right? I know in most games (not golf, of course) points are vital (NOT vitale).
One thing I've got nailed: I can be defensive and offensive; often at the same time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 27, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 27, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on December 27, 2006, 01:03:55 PM
Plus, there wasn't much more she could do in Oshkosh. I think she needed a new place to go.
Yeah, I mean she already had won a national title (No, wait. She didn't. That was Kathi Bennett's last team).
Well at least she had been to the Final Four a couple of times (No, actually she didn't do that either).
Then at least she had that nice streak of NCAA appearences (No, actually she missed the NCAAs in her last five seasons, right after the last of Kathi's recruits left).
Yep, she sure did it all at Oshkosh ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 27, 2006, 06:09:13 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 27, 2006, 06:09:13 PM
Final just in: Wartburg 55, UW-LaCrosse 54. (Per Eagle website, LaCrosse' late scoring drought cost them big time).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 27, 2006, 07:32:40 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 27, 2006, 07:32:40 PM
Thank You guys, positive karma and answers, what more could the SF get! Bill: I know she did not do a Mark Thomas or Lisa Stone, but Rider did do a good Job. Blessings to all! leaving for hazardous duty going shopping with spouse. Going to see UWO tomorrow in DBQ, even if I am sleep deprived!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 28, 2006, 12:36:13 AM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 28, 2006, 12:36:13 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 27, 2006, 06:09:13 PM
Final just in: Wartburg 55, UW-LaCrosse 54. (Per Eagle website, LaCrosse' late scoring drought cost them big time).
Ouch! Looks like they had a good sized lead, and then led again very late. Things aren't going well for them right now. Searing is playing well ... Hunter, okay. The rest, ehh ...
They should have a day off Friday against Clarke, they're awful. Could have had another game with Viterbo for a trip to the title game. Now they'll have to try to settle for consolation.
Quote from: foul_language on December 27, 2006, 10:59:41 AM
U-Super 77--My daughter used to play college basketball and soccer; through a series of unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) events, she transferred on the assumption she'd be able to play DI soccer and declare a major. Never assume anything, especially when you don't get the full story...
Anyway, she has a nice part-time job and a major. You can't underestimate the value of a major when you're in college. I think she may even have a plan. Yikes.
Belated holiday greetings to all.
So is she not able to play soccer at all now? That's too bad, sorry to hear that. She was a pretty good rebounder from what I remember two years ago. Glad to hear she's doing well though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:18:40 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:18:40 AM
I agree that Pam Ruder (that's Ruder with a u) did fine at UW-Oshkosh. I just think it's a little silly to use the "she had accomplished everything she could" argument.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 28, 2006, 10:05:47 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 28, 2006, 10:05:47 AM
Based on scores this past week, our Stout/La Crosse matchup next Wed. should be a dandy. Two very good teams in a funk right now. I look for Stout to come out strong, but then, I have been thinking that was going to be the case every time they played this year. Hasn't always been the case. I still think Hunter should be playing over here. I loved watching her play in HS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 28, 2006, 01:13:10 PM
Post by: hoops49 on December 28, 2006, 01:13:10 PM
For those of you interested in the Bluegolds/Bethel game today at 2:00, there is a problem with Bethel's website. The main server is down, so you won't be able to listen to it via internet....bummer! Who knows, they might get it fixed, so keep trying. I intend to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 28, 2006, 01:51:47 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 28, 2006, 01:51:47 PM
Well I don't want to say that her thinking was she would never be able to win a title at Oshkosh, because I think that's wrong. It's just that she would have to start over again this year with the team Coach Schumacher has, and perhaps she saw that in the near future and got a chance to dodge it and start over.
Who knows. It's kinda fun to imagine what would happen if Ruder was still in Oshkosh for the past two seasons. I think Oshkosh is better off with Schumacher this year, and I'm gonna say that she will make the Titans a national contender in 5 years.
Who knows. It's kinda fun to imagine what would happen if Ruder was still in Oshkosh for the past two seasons. I think Oshkosh is better off with Schumacher this year, and I'm gonna say that she will make the Titans a national contender in 5 years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 02:38:24 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 02:38:24 PM
After a two-week drought, I can game-track the Stout-somebody game tonight; watch two hockey games in person tomorrow; attend a women's basketball game followed closely by a hockey game Saturday. Purge and binge.
good luck to all WIAC teams contending around the country in multiple sports.
good luck to all WIAC teams contending around the country in multiple sports.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 03:54:34 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 03:54:34 PM
Halftime score: Bethel 31, UW-Eau Claire 30. (Hit and miss on live stats).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 05:05:50 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 05:05:50 PM
Final: UW-Eau Claire 60, Bethel 58. :) ;) :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 07:53:55 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 07:53:55 PM
UW-Stout/McMurry on deck:
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 08:48:06 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 08:48:06 PM
McMurry hitting the buzz saw; Stout doing line changes and mixing up players. 32-21, Stout with five minutes left in the first half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 09:02:36 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 09:02:36 PM
38-32 Stout at half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:02:57 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:02:57 PM
It's just me talking to myself.
21 fouls and 17 turnovers in the first half. Stout has played 12 according to game tracker, which is suspect: one of the players didn't appear as a sub in, so I suspect a number got entered wrong (my daughter once was credited with a rebound in a game she was filming). Nine players in game for McMurry. Stout not too deep into the third string yet; hasn't touched fourth.
21 fouls and 17 turnovers in the first half. Stout has played 12 according to game tracker, which is suspect: one of the players didn't appear as a sub in, so I suspect a number got entered wrong (my daughter once was credited with a rebound in a game she was filming). Nine players in game for McMurry. Stout not too deep into the third string yet; hasn't touched fourth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
Foul
Thanks for the head-up on the game tracker. I tried to get McMurray internet feed, but they are not doing tonight's game.
Thanks for the head-up on the game tracker. I tried to get McMurray internet feed, but they are not doing tonight's game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:24:26 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:24:26 PM
I think I read on the McMurry site that only Southwestern games would get any kind of broadcast; since SW won the earlier game, tomorrow's game will no doubt be broadcast. Of course, if it's McMurry vs Southwestern, I guess I won't be tuning in. McMurry creeping up on Stout four minutes into second half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 09:36:09 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 09:36:09 PM
Stout goes back up by 8, but then Richardson scores 4 straight points to bring deficit back to 4. That Richardson is killing them. She's got 20pts with 8min left in the game. Also, Duoss with 3 fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:39:03 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:39:03 PM
And McDermid with three. I didn't get the free throw situation a bit back. Jenny Mac was at the line, made what looked to be the first free throw, there was some subbing and no second free throw. She shows up a bit later fouling. Was that likely an attempted rebound on a missed free throw? I got caught up in my solitaire game and missed something. Beating myself silly, I might add.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:42:17 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:42:17 PM
Could have been a lane violation by a teammate. That would wipe out the free throw attempt. Or FL could have been trying to find a red ten to play on the black jack.
McDermid now with 4 fouls. If McMurry needs to foul down the stretch they may be in trouble with only 2 team fouls.
McDermid now with 4 fouls. If McMurry needs to foul down the stretch they may be in trouble with only 2 team fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:43:31 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:43:31 PM
This might be a case where Stout has too much subbing going on; no rhythm developing. Are they playing, like, three minute lines?
Very funny.
QuoteOr FL could have been trying to find a red ten to play on the black jack.
Very funny.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:46:58 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:46:58 PM
I'm thinking Stout has this one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:48:22 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2006, 09:48:22 PM
If they make their free throws they can't lose.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:49:24 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:49:24 PM
That's always been kind of a weak spot. What a line of fouls!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:58:30 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 09:58:30 PM
Duoss fouls out with a minute to go; subbed in McDermid with four fouls. Yikes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
Richardson is a workhorse; as many points as Stout's top two scorers put together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:01:23 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:01:23 PM
...and McDermid is gone 12 seconds later.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 10:10:29 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 10:10:29 PM
Stout wins, 65-60. That sets up an interesting match-up with Southwestern, TX tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 10:10:39 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2006, 10:10:39 PM
Looks like Stout wins, barely. They could have won by a dozen or so if they could have made their FT's. The FT shooting down the stretch was down right awful!
Something like 14 fouls for McMurry during the last 2 and a half minutes. I don't think that I have seen that before!
Good win for Stout over the #9 ranked team. Is this the game that gets Stout out of their struggles? This is the time of year that they usually turn things up.
Something like 14 fouls for McMurry during the last 2 and a half minutes. I don't think that I have seen that before!
Good win for Stout over the #9 ranked team. Is this the game that gets Stout out of their struggles? This is the time of year that they usually turn things up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:11:31 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:11:31 PM
Duoss, McDermid and Hirssig with 12 each. Two seniors and a freshman. Hirssig knows how to step up. OK, so Richardson doesn't equal Stout's top scorers. I mis-spoke/wrote. However with 28 points, 15 rebounds, 5 blocks and 2 steals, she was definitely the player of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:18:04 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:18:04 PM
Good game Stout!
We needed to see this. We don't see this much size and height in the ASC.
Final stats show that our 2nd string pre-season AA Tarra Richardson had 28 points on 9-17 Fg 10-16 Ft with 15 rebs, 5 blocks and 2 steals against posts that we don't see in the ASC.
IMHO, the finest pure point guard in the country, McM's Symbri Tuttle had 6 assists, a steal and no turnovers against you. That is an average night for her.
Of our top 9, we have 2 frosh, 3 sophs, 3 juniors and 1 senior. We needed to see someone as good as you so we can work harder. I am extremely encourgaed by our performance and see areas that we can improve!
Thanks for coming to Texas and I hope you got in some golf.
Good luck. Maybe we meet again in the final four!
We needed to see this. We don't see this much size and height in the ASC.
Final stats show that our 2nd string pre-season AA Tarra Richardson had 28 points on 9-17 Fg 10-16 Ft with 15 rebs, 5 blocks and 2 steals against posts that we don't see in the ASC.
IMHO, the finest pure point guard in the country, McM's Symbri Tuttle had 6 assists, a steal and no turnovers against you. That is an average night for her.
Of our top 9, we have 2 frosh, 3 sophs, 3 juniors and 1 senior. We needed to see someone as good as you so we can work harder. I am extremely encourgaed by our performance and see areas that we can improve!
Thanks for coming to Texas and I hope you got in some golf.
Good luck. Maybe we meet again in the final four!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:20:44 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: buf on December 28, 2006, 10:10:39 PM
Looks like Stout wins, barely. They could have won by a dozen or so if they could have made their FT's. The FT shooting down the stretch was down right awful!
Something like 14 fouls for McMurry during the last 2 and a half minutes. I don't think that I have seen that before!
Good win for Stout over the #9 ranked team. Is this the game that gets Stout out of their struggles? This is the time of year that they usually turn things up.
buf, McM was giving fouls at the end. I think that this was a case of McMurry knowing how tightly refs call the game in Texas and using it to their advantage. You can't do anything, the games are called so..."Naismithian"! ;)
We were hurt by Maigen Sawyer being so so so coldddddd!
No one else had the 3FG range tonight either!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:26:09 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:26:09 PM
Wish I could have been there to see it. From stats, it appeared McMurry doesn't give up easily. When Stout went ahead in the first half, it looked like McMurry might fade. To its credit, the team swung back--due largely to an inspiring game by Richardson. They must have played Stout pretty tight inside to keep Duoss to 12 AND get her in foul trouble. Dani Boese had 15 rebounds, so it seems McM may have been focusing on Duoss and leaving others free to get in.
Quotethe games are called so..."NaismithianDoes that mean non-contact sport?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
foul, yes. They call Women's Basketball very tightly in the state. I think that the McMurry Women just laid off the usual aggressive style and were seen as less aggressive the officiating crew.
In fact McMurry men have the reputation for being one of the more aggressive men's teams and incur large numbers of fouls in the process. However, from our experience in the Sweet 16 in 2001 and the Elite 8 in 2000, we have leanred that is the style one must play at the national level.
McMurry's men's style is like the Sul Ross team that took Lawrence to OT in 2004, the year that Lawrence took UWSP to OT.
Good luck! I see great things about this game. We have a very young team!!! They needed to see this quality of ball and they hung in there very nicely!
Travel safely!
In fact McMurry men have the reputation for being one of the more aggressive men's teams and incur large numbers of fouls in the process. However, from our experience in the Sweet 16 in 2001 and the Elite 8 in 2000, we have leanred that is the style one must play at the national level.
McMurry's men's style is like the Sul Ross team that took Lawrence to OT in 2004, the year that Lawrence took UWSP to OT.
Good luck! I see great things about this game. We have a very young team!!! They needed to see this quality of ball and they hung in there very nicely!
Travel safely!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:43:57 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 28, 2006, 10:43:57 PM
I just need to get these virtual cards to fall in place. Travel for me will be from the computer to bed, with maybe a quick stop at the refrigerator.
I like a game that relies on finesse, skill, speed, quickness over brute force. In men's basketball, I'm not much of a fan of the big players pushing everyone around; I'd much rather see basketball over football on the court . That said, Stout basketball is pretty aggressive, although I sometimes think the players are harder on themselves than on other teams. Willingness to throw oneself into the stands or across the floor is probably more intensity than agressiveness; either way, there's lots of contact.
Basketball has come a long way for women in the past 30 years. It wasn't all that long ago that Iowa women were still playing half-court/three dribbles basketball; not much contact in that game, but I understand it was fast. Now, women come out of the locker room Saran-wrapped in ice and sporting some beauty bruises. That's progress, I guess.
Good luck to McMurry during the rest of the season.
I like a game that relies on finesse, skill, speed, quickness over brute force. In men's basketball, I'm not much of a fan of the big players pushing everyone around; I'd much rather see basketball over football on the court . That said, Stout basketball is pretty aggressive, although I sometimes think the players are harder on themselves than on other teams. Willingness to throw oneself into the stands or across the floor is probably more intensity than agressiveness; either way, there's lots of contact.
Basketball has come a long way for women in the past 30 years. It wasn't all that long ago that Iowa women were still playing half-court/three dribbles basketball; not much contact in that game, but I understand it was fast. Now, women come out of the locker room Saran-wrapped in ice and sporting some beauty bruises. That's progress, I guess.
Good luck to McMurry during the rest of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 28, 2006, 11:37:17 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 28, 2006, 11:37:17 PM
As noted earlier: UWEC 60 (7-4), Bethel 58 (1-5)
Neither team had a lead bigger than 6; Bethel led at half 31-30. Blugolds had 15 steals...
Annegret Nautsch had 17, while Heather Davies had 11, to lead Bethel. Heidi Arciszewski had 12 for the 'Golds, who had great balance. Five other players had 8 or nine points - Burns, Mueggenborg, Witt, Zenner and Hakanson. Burns also had 9 boards.
This game didn't involve the host school, so attendance was only 100. Blugolds face the winner of Trinity/Manchester. Be interesting to see how many attended that game, and how many show up for tomorrow's game. Blugolds do realize how fortunate they are to draw nice crowds at Zorn...
Kudos to the UWEC SID for having the results/box posted already... Not sure who won the second game, though; neither school had results posted yet. Trinity, which received one vote in the last D3 poll, would be a good test for the Blugolds.
Neither team had a lead bigger than 6; Bethel led at half 31-30. Blugolds had 15 steals...
Annegret Nautsch had 17, while Heather Davies had 11, to lead Bethel. Heidi Arciszewski had 12 for the 'Golds, who had great balance. Five other players had 8 or nine points - Burns, Mueggenborg, Witt, Zenner and Hakanson. Burns also had 9 boards.
This game didn't involve the host school, so attendance was only 100. Blugolds face the winner of Trinity/Manchester. Be interesting to see how many attended that game, and how many show up for tomorrow's game. Blugolds do realize how fortunate they are to draw nice crowds at Zorn...
Kudos to the UWEC SID for having the results/box posted already... Not sure who won the second game, though; neither school had results posted yet. Trinity, which received one vote in the last D3 poll, would be a good test for the Blugolds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 11:51:25 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 11:51:25 PM
Foul, one of my favorite family photos is of my maternal grandmother in 1922 when she is teaching school in Mitchell County TX, 70 miles west of Abilene. (2002 Jostens finalist Kendra Anderson (HSU) was from Mitchell County).
The photo shows her at recess coaching girls 3-on-3 half court basketball in the middle of a cotton field in the middle of winter. (The cotton has been harvested and there are no leaves on the mesquite trees, so there is still a chance for a frost.) The players are wearing hats, dresses, and lace up shoes. :o
She is running down the court/cotton field with her apron securely tied around her waist and her hair held back by a scarf. :)
The photo shows her at recess coaching girls 3-on-3 half court basketball in the middle of a cotton field in the middle of winter. (The cotton has been harvested and there are no leaves on the mesquite trees, so there is still a chance for a frost.) The players are wearing hats, dresses, and lace up shoes. :o
She is running down the court/cotton field with her apron securely tied around her waist and her hair held back by a scarf. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 29, 2006, 02:00:10 AM
Post by: bulk19 on December 29, 2006, 02:00:10 AM
Ralph -
Hi. Great post about the olden days...
Are the lace-up shoes and scarfs precursors to today's high tops and headbands? ;)
Hi. Great post about the olden days...
Are the lace-up shoes and scarfs precursors to today's high tops and headbands? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 29, 2006, 10:52:38 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on December 29, 2006, 10:52:38 AM
Bulk: I remember the Thomas vs Stone BB games at Zorn. I lived in EC from 92 to 97, and regretted moving to Lancaster. While I always wore Orange and Blue, I always loved watching Coach Stone. UWP was wiped out last night to Bejmeja State 91-51, Only bright spot was Fr. Liz Wisdom with 22points and 12 boards. Great posting. FL: Are you a Stout Alumnus with your great passion for the Devils. Nice win against a great team. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 12:21:30 PM
Talk about six degrees of separation: Superfan 77--I graduated from UWEC a loooooonnnnggg time ago. Did a year and a half at P-ville for a BS in secondary ed. More recently, my family lived in Bagley, WI. If your reference was to Lancaster, WI, you might know Bagley. The kids went to River Ridge for a year before we packed up and moved north. Younger daughter went to Stout, where I swallowed my earlier loathing (UWEC days) and embraced both soccer and basketball programs. Unfortunately, she couldn't stir up an interest in hospitality management or fashion design; she toyed with the idea of majoring in golf course management (GOOD IDEA!!!) and packaging (????) before moving on to Greener Bays. The rest is history. Oddly, she now works part time at FedEx, where she sees plenty of packaging.
Re Olden days: I can't go through Bloomer, WI without thinking of women in ballooning pants.
Re Olden days: I can't go through Bloomer, WI without thinking of women in ballooning pants.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: EagleAlum on December 29, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
Post by: EagleAlum on December 29, 2006, 12:35:06 PM
La Crosse with a breakfast time tip-off this morning struggles to beat a B-A-D Clarke team by 12. They did take control midway through the 2nd half and pull away but up to that point it appeared to be a struggle. Hunter and Searing play well again. They aren't getting much else from the perimeter ... which is where they are struggling right now. Palmer goes 0-for-9 from the field today and hasn't shot well in a couple weeks. Not sure if she has what Geissler has or what.
Speaking of which ... you guys mentioned the FT line for Stout yesterday and I just looked ... 14-for-31. OUCH. The Geissler's go 2-for-11. Lindsay may be getting the 3-pt shot back though, 5-for-12 the last two games after a 3-for-31 start.
Speaking of which ... you guys mentioned the FT line for Stout yesterday and I just looked ... 14-for-31. OUCH. The Geissler's go 2-for-11. Lindsay may be getting the 3-pt shot back though, 5-for-12 the last two games after a 3-for-31 start.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 29, 2006, 01:08:21 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 29, 2006, 01:08:21 PM
My father was born in Bagley, Wi. I remember an old school house that had a fire escape that was a big slide down the side of the building.
The WARHAWK women had little trouble with Judson last night. Jumping to a 44-20 half time lead they were never threatened after that. Their full court pressure was more than Judson could handle and created the majority of their 29 turnovers. Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 13 points and 8 rebounds. Dana Thompson added 10 points in 15 minutes. The final was 72-55 impoving the WARHAWKS record to 9-3 on the season.
The WARHAWK women had little trouble with Judson last night. Jumping to a 44-20 half time lead they were never threatened after that. Their full court pressure was more than Judson could handle and created the majority of their 29 turnovers. Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 13 points and 8 rebounds. Dana Thompson added 10 points in 15 minutes. The final was 72-55 impoving the WARHAWKS record to 9-3 on the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 02:15:49 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 02:15:49 PM
I was just on the WIAC site and I see that UWO's games this weekend have been cancelled. I assume its weather? I know they were having bad weather in Denver the past few days. Maybe it stretched up to the Northwest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 29, 2006, 02:41:11 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 29, 2006, 02:41:11 PM
Or perhaps they had to connect through Denver and there was no way around it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 02:54:24 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 02:54:24 PM
Snowing up here--stopped just as I wrote that. I attributed its arrival to, possibly, some bellowing coming out of Southwestern last night as McMurry made repeated surges during the Stout game. I suspect T has the lung-power to alter the jet stream.
I didn't think anyone came from Bagley; but then, I live in Wentworth. Bagley at least has a hotel; Wentworth has a...a...sign.
I didn't think anyone came from Bagley; but then, I live in Wentworth. Bagley at least has a hotel; Wentworth has a...a...sign.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 29, 2006, 04:30:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 29, 2006, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: buf on December 29, 2006, 02:15:49 PM
I was just on the WIAC site and I see that UWO's games this weekend have been cancelled. I assume its weather? I know they were having bad weather in Denver the past few days. Maybe it stretched up to the Northwest.
The Oshkosh team's home page has an explanation of the cancellation:
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/index.html
Too bad! I know how much planning goes into these trips and how much fun they are for the team. Not to mention the loss of two games on the schedule.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
In first ten minutes of game, Stout over Southwestern by 17. Is Ruder laying in the weeds?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 04:48:11 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 02:54:24 PMMan, we tried to come back, but those big Stout players just held us off. :-\ We gave 4-6 inches per player and probably 30 lbs. The Stout depth neutralized any conditioning advantage that we have had over other teams, e.g., the SCIAC's last December and Oneonta State (SUNYAC) and Guilford (ODAC) last month.
Snowing up here--stopped just as I wrote that. I attributed its arrival to, possibly, some bellowing coming out of Southwestern last night as McMurry made repeated surges during the Stout game. I suspect T has the lung-power to alter the jet stream.
I didn't think anyone came from Bagley; but then, I live in Wentworth. Bagley at least has a hotel; Wentworth has a...a...sign.
We needed to see that quality of team (Stout), especially in December!
I am glad that Coach Ruder can bring those WIAC teams to Texas. There are 4 really good women's programs in the ASC West (HSU, HPU, McM and a developing UMHB), plus Trinity TX and the program that Coach Ruder is trying to build. I would love to see a WIAC team come for her tourney every year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:57:15 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:57:15 PM
QuoteI would love to see a WIAC team come for her tourney every yearWith normal December weather as it is in WIAC-land, I believe there are many teams who would like to be down there for a tourney every year.
Stout up by 20 at half.
Ralph--doesn't McMurry have three six-footers? Or am I thinking of the Southwestern team?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 05:22:21 PM
Post by: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 05:22:21 PM
Looks like McMurry had a good game against Concordia.
SW in foul trouble.
SW in foul trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 05:28:22 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 05:28:22 PM
Quote from: foul_language on December 29, 2006, 04:57:15 PMFoul, technically the roster lists four 6-footers, all 6'0". Each of them is tall and slight. The "biggest" player that we have for having a big "presence" on the floor is probably Jabri Butler at 5'10". (You know how a player can have a big "presence"; some size of course, but a basketball sense that gets her to where she needs to be before anyone else realizes it, and when she is there, she can "muscle" players off their games.)QuoteI would love to see a WIAC team come for her tourney every yearWith normal December weather as it is in WIAC-land, I believe there are many teams who would like to be down there for a tourney every year.
Stout up by 20 at half.
Ralph--doesn't McMurry have three six-footers? Or am I thinking of the Southwestern team?
Our starters go 6'0 (Richardson) 6'0" (Nelson), 5'7" (Sawyer), 5'6" (Horton) and 5'3" (Tuttle). Off the bench, we bring 5'7" W (Amanda Peters), 5'10" P (Butler ), 5'6" G (Lewis) and 5'10" P (Erica Peters).
I thought that Duoss (6'2"), McDermid (6'1") and Boese (6'1") seemed to be interchangeable as double posts. Throw in Hirssig (5'11" F), Edwards (5'9" G) and Oeltjen (5'8" G).
After looking more carefully at the rosters, I must revise the "4-6 inches" difference in roster heights, but the actually size difference is still formidable. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 05:31:40 PM
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 05:31:40 PM
Okay, let's play "D3 Fantasy League". I protect Richardson, Tuttle and Nelson and trade even up for Boese. You can have any other player. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 05:53:51 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 05:53:51 PM
UWEC leads Trinity at the half 30-29, despite only shooting 32% and having 12 turnovers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 07:03:36 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2006, 07:03:36 PM
UWEC wins 69-56 over Trinity. Heidi A leads EC with 17pts. Three others in double figures for the Blugolds. Good win for EC.
EC was down 48-43 when I picked up the game in the 2nd half. They ended up going on at least a 13-0 run to lead 56-48. I think the announcer said that EC was down by 9 in the 2nd half. Good FT shooting by the Golds.
EC was down 48-43 when I picked up the game in the 2nd half. They ended up going on at least a 13-0 run to lead 56-48. I think the announcer said that EC was down by 9 in the 2nd half. Good FT shooting by the Golds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on December 29, 2006, 07:18:06 PM
Post by: hoops49 on December 29, 2006, 07:18:06 PM
Nice job lady bluegolds! Watched the live stats at work...;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 29, 2006, 09:11:33 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 29, 2006, 09:11:33 PM
Yep, as noted, Blugolds win to move to 8-4, heading into the second-half opener with Whitewater at Zorn on Wednesday...
What a big difference it makes having an 8-4 record, vs. 7-5 or 6-6, had they lost during this tournament... Congrats to the 'Golds, who were 27-32 from the charity stripe = 84.4 %. That will win a lot of ball games, ladies and gentlemen...
I'll give them some slack, because the students are on break, but there were only 150 fans at the game today; Trinity has averaged 170 so far.... Makes the turnout at Zorn, 570 per so far, look good, heading into conference play, where the numbers should jump...
What a big difference it makes having an 8-4 record, vs. 7-5 or 6-6, had they lost during this tournament... Congrats to the 'Golds, who were 27-32 from the charity stripe = 84.4 %. That will win a lot of ball games, ladies and gentlemen...
I'll give them some slack, because the students are on break, but there were only 150 fans at the game today; Trinity has averaged 170 so far.... Makes the turnout at Zorn, 570 per so far, look good, heading into conference play, where the numbers should jump...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on December 30, 2006, 10:25:11 PM
Post by: wiac482002 on December 30, 2006, 10:25:11 PM
.......around the rumor mill in UWO country is that the girls missed their tournament in Washington because of coaching errors as to what date they were scheduled to leave exactly. If thats the case, that's too bad for the titan women. 2 less games on the schedule with a tough game coming on Wed to open up conference play against Platteville then turn around and get the Blugolds who are coming off of 2 great wins in Texas on Saturday.
Should be another great 2nd half of the season in the WIAC, expect the unexpected
Should be another great 2nd half of the season in the WIAC, expect the unexpected
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 31, 2006, 10:22:57 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 31, 2006, 10:22:57 AM
Quote from: wiac482002 on December 30, 2006, 10:25:11 PM
.......around the rumor mill in UWO country is that the girls missed their tournament in Washington because of coaching errors as to what date they were scheduled to leave exactly. If thats the case, that's too bad for the titan women. 2 less games on the schedule with a tough game coming on Wed to open up conference play against Platteville then turn around and get the Blugolds who are coming off of 2 great wins in Texas on Saturday.
Should be another great 2nd half of the season in the WIAC, expect the unexpected
And the 28 inches of snow in Denver had nothing to do with it. ::)
Don't put up baselss rumors unless you have something to confirm them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wiac482002 on January 02, 2007, 03:07:08 AM
Post by: wiac482002 on January 02, 2007, 03:07:08 AM
When you are a former student at the university and best friend of the women's basketball team it seems pretty simple to be able to confirm such things. So I guess there's my "proof" for you Bill that you wanted me to let you know that I had attained.
The snow would have probably hampered them, but when you get to Milwaukee only to realize that your flight was the day before....the snow seems to not be the only answer huh?
The girls tell the truth, and thats what they tell me
The snow would have probably hampered them, but when you get to Milwaukee only to realize that your flight was the day before....the snow seems to not be the only answer huh?
The girls tell the truth, and thats what they tell me
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 03:36:04 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 03:36:04 AM
No offense, but that's not actually proof. Only in the talk radio world is an unnamed source considered actual proof.
You not only are citing an unnamed source but you are unnamed yourself. There is zero reason we should believe one word of your posts.
You not only are citing an unnamed source but you are unnamed yourself. There is zero reason we should believe one word of your posts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
So.....who can put a speed bump in front of Stout women? And can they count down below Sweet 16 this year?
Can UW-Superior get a conference win or two?
Will the media leave Brett Farve alone--ye gods! Is there nothing else to contemplate?
Happy 2007 to all, including unnamed sources and posters with interesting names. Mine, by the way, does not refer to obscenities but rather those penalized activities on the court called out and counted by refs.
Can UW-Superior get a conference win or two?
Will the media leave Brett Farve alone--ye gods! Is there nothing else to contemplate?
Happy 2007 to all, including unnamed sources and posters with interesting names. Mine, by the way, does not refer to obscenities but rather those penalized activities on the court called out and counted by refs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 10:37:55 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 10:37:55 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
So.....who can put a speed bump in front of Stout women? And can they count down below Sweet 16 this year?
Can UW-Superior get a conference win or two?
Will the media leave Brett Farve alone--ye gods! Is there nothing else to contemplate?
Happy 2007 to all, including unnamed sources and posters with interesting names. Mine, by the way, does not refer to obscenities but rather those penalized activities on the court called out and counted by refs.
1. No more speed bumps for the Stout Women. They are on a roll and it started in Texas.
2. I am impressed by Superior's new coach and they will win this year. (2 games, at least)
3. I was more impressed by Bobby Knight's tears than I was with Brett's. Remember he cried in the locker room last year too and then returned this year.
4. Your name reminds me of the person who said, "I enjoy the game more if I don't know the rules. It puts me on the same wavelength as the referees".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 11:33:29 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 11:33:29 AM
I am pretty sympathetic to refs, in general. Just as I believe a player sees the game differently from the coach, I think the people in the stands see the game differently than the refs. I think I've seen two--at most three--games in which the refs played a part in the outcome. Out of a gazillion games (maybe that's an exaggeration), two or three isn't bad. Objectivity makes a big difference, too. I questioned why my daughter's high school basketball team never fouled while she played but did afterward...mysterious :-X
I think many people in the stands are far worse as both spectators and participants/judges than refs. I was at a hockey game (hockey up here is pronounced with an elongated 'o' so that it sounds a little like someone clearing his or her throat) last week during which parents attending with their peewee or squirts or mites or mini-mite kids (whatever the heck those little tiny hockey players are--just slightly larger than pucks) were saying some pretty obnoxious things to the refs. And we wonder where kids get their attitudes.
I wonder why it is 'fans' scream at the refs when they 'miss' a call that would favor their team but never scream as wildly when the refs miss a foul by their own team? Another mystery.
I think many people in the stands are far worse as both spectators and participants/judges than refs. I was at a hockey game (hockey up here is pronounced with an elongated 'o' so that it sounds a little like someone clearing his or her throat) last week during which parents attending with their peewee or squirts or mites or mini-mite kids (whatever the heck those little tiny hockey players are--just slightly larger than pucks) were saying some pretty obnoxious things to the refs. And we wonder where kids get their attitudes.
I wonder why it is 'fans' scream at the refs when they 'miss' a call that would favor their team but never scream as wildly when the refs miss a foul by their own team? Another mystery.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 11:50:38 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 11:50:38 AM
Sounds like you are more sympathetic to refs than I am, and that makes me feel a bit guilty because I'm "one of em". Tonight, for instance, I will ref the JV game at our HS and then run up to the booth and do the color for the varsity broadcast. I am guessing at some point I will question a call. Thank you for helping me "keep my perspective". I do get frustrated when refs play a bigger role in the outcome than I think they should. My number is way bigger than the 2 or 3 that you mention. I agree, however, that fan reaction to players, coaches, and officials is far more frustrating than the officials. Having worn the hat of the parent, coach, and official helps a little bit, but fan reaction to games is the biggest frustration for me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
Sometimes it's hard to tell whether a critical call by a referee in the closing seconds or turnovers you had in the second quarter were the reason you lost. 99.9% of the time you lose in the closing seconds because you put yourself in a position for it to happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
Right on, BW, and that's a mistake fans, players, and coaches are all guilty of. I am always amazed at how much attention we all make to that 5th foul call and how quickly we forget about that stupid reach in foul in the first quarter.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
Absolutely. If the game is so close that the last five seconds makes the difference between winning and losing, then the teams are pretty evenly matched and the big factor is time.
I guess there's a reason games games are not set up to be just five seconds long--the other 59 minutes, 55 seconds (or whatever the normal time frame is less five seconds) play a part in the outcome.
Here's the thing that really annoys me: team A is up by ten with 30-seconds left in the basketball game. Team B starts fouling. I understand 30 seconds is a long time; I'll give team B that first foul to try to get things going. However, if team A is making free throws, team B is only likely to bury itself deeper. Fouls in the last half minute of a game committed clearly to get the ball should be penalized--especially if it's fairly obvious it's not going to turn the game around. Give the fouled team three free throws instead of two.
Or when a coach calls a time out to strategize the final 3.8 seconds of a game in which his/her team is five down. Really, what are the mathematical odds of winning that game?
I know; some team somewhere has done it, and I'm betting I get examples of it working. But, really, don't you just hate it? Be honest.
I guess there's a reason games games are not set up to be just five seconds long--the other 59 minutes, 55 seconds (or whatever the normal time frame is less five seconds) play a part in the outcome.
Here's the thing that really annoys me: team A is up by ten with 30-seconds left in the basketball game. Team B starts fouling. I understand 30 seconds is a long time; I'll give team B that first foul to try to get things going. However, if team A is making free throws, team B is only likely to bury itself deeper. Fouls in the last half minute of a game committed clearly to get the ball should be penalized--especially if it's fairly obvious it's not going to turn the game around. Give the fouled team three free throws instead of two.
Or when a coach calls a time out to strategize the final 3.8 seconds of a game in which his/her team is five down. Really, what are the mathematical odds of winning that game?
I know; some team somewhere has done it, and I'm betting I get examples of it working. But, really, don't you just hate it? Be honest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
I think that often that 3 second time out or the fouls long after there is no chance is the coaches way of telling the world that he isn't quitting. But, yes, I hate it too. I also find it amusing that the coaches try to beat each others brains in any way that they can but then for some strange reason, it isn't okay for that poor reserve that finally gets into the game to try to make that last basket with time running out because they are way ahead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:52:38 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:52:38 PM
...Or a team is up by 20 with a minute to go and three of the winning team's five starters are still in the game :(
C'mon. In life or death, I can see it. High school or college games? No.
You know, if I ruled the world...possiblities are endless
C'mon. In life or death, I can see it. High school or college games? No.
You know, if I ruled the world...possiblities are endless
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 02:25:48 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 02, 2007, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 01:52:38 PM
...Or a team is up by 20 with a minute to go and three of the winning team's five starters are still in the game :(
C'mon. In life or death, I can see it. High school or college games? No.You know, if I ruled the world...possiblities are endless
You know, we call it a game or contest and it gives us an excuse to be really stupid. Don Murray once said, "People understand contests. You take a bunch of kids throwing rocks at random and people look frantic, but if you hold a rock-throwing contest-people understand that."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 04:03:50 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 04:03:50 PM
I need an excuse to be stupid...? :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: girlsbballfan on January 02, 2007, 06:18:04 PM
Post by: girlsbballfan on January 02, 2007, 06:18:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 03:36:04 AM
No offense, but that's not actually proof. Only in the talk radio world is an unnamed source considered actual proof.
You not only are citing an unnamed source but you are unnamed yourself. There is zero reason we should believe one word of your posts.
I too heard that the titan ladies got to the airport a day late and a dollar short. All I will say is I know the individual that booked the flights and she received a phone call that the team went to the airport on the wrong day. Of course the snow in CO didn't help, but if they had gotten to the airport on the correct day they wouldn't have been traveling through Denver.
Coach double-checked that each girl had a ticket, but never thought to check the day? I don't want to know how much was spent on those tickets, but I'm sure the airline isn't going to reimburse them!
I feel sorry for the players and especially the parents that were already in Seattle!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 06:45:20 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 06:45:20 PM
Well, at least a post from that e-mail address carries a little more credibility.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
Well, not now that you've changed your e-mail to something fake.
If you dind't want your e-mail on it you shouldn't have registered with it. The Terms of Service are fairly clear on that point.
If you dind't want your e-mail on it you shouldn't have registered with it. The Terms of Service are fairly clear on that point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 03, 2007, 10:18:41 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 03, 2007, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 02, 2007, 04:03:50 PM
I need an excuse to be stupid...? :o
FL-----None of us need an excuse, but there are times when we could use one. I wanted to let you know that your Superior Men's coach is working hard for you. I did a HS game in Menomonie last night and he was "way down here" recruiting a very nice Altoona kid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 03, 2007, 02:07:08 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 03, 2007, 02:07:08 PM
that stinks for UWO....you can point fingers all you want but no matter who was to blame it just sucks for them....
picks...
UWL
Point
WW
UWP
I saw everyone had a lot of good games over break....let's hope the good play continues in the WIAC!!!
picks...
UWL
Point
WW
UWP
I saw everyone had a lot of good games over break....let's hope the good play continues in the WIAC!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 04:28:22 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 04:28:22 PM
Quotehe was "way down here"Everything is 'way down' there from here. I haven't met the men's coach, but I believe both new coaches are doing some heavy-duty traveling to make up for the significant disadvantage they were in by being hired so late. I hope they find some good kids.
A while back a student criticized the men's coach on the Student Sound Off Board, because he was yelling at his players. OMG!!! :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 08:13:48 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 08:13:48 PM
Re: the sportscast question about what to call Stout women's second line--simply the other half of the starting ten.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 03, 2007, 09:38:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 03, 2007, 09:38:15 PM
Wednesday night scores:
Point defeated Superior 84-48
Oshkosh defeated Platte. 61-49
Stout defeated La Crosse 68-52
Eau Claire defeated WW 62-51
ST 4-1
EC 3-1
LC 3-2
SP 3-2
WW 2-2
RF 2-2
OSH 2-2
PLT 1-3
SUP 0-5
Point defeated Superior 84-48
Oshkosh defeated Platte. 61-49
Stout defeated La Crosse 68-52
Eau Claire defeated WW 62-51
ST 4-1
EC 3-1
LC 3-2
SP 3-2
WW 2-2
RF 2-2
OSH 2-2
PLT 1-3
SUP 0-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 03, 2007, 10:17:16 PM
Post by: buf on January 03, 2007, 10:17:16 PM
UWEC over WW.
EC comes out on fire and takes a 21-7 lead. WW chips it down to 8 at the half. EC maintains about a 10pt lead through the first 10min of the 2nd half. Then WW goes on a huge run to take a 3-point lead. EC responds quickly and within a couple minutes they are back up by 10.
Excellent game by Burns (29pts, 13rebs). Witt and Mueggenborg came off the bench to provide a late spark. Heidi A. hits double figures.
Beuchner lead WW. WW really played physically tonight. I thought EC was in big trouble when WW took the lead. I thought they might be worn down a little. But, to there credit EC picked it up when they needed to.
EC comes out on fire and takes a 21-7 lead. WW chips it down to 8 at the half. EC maintains about a 10pt lead through the first 10min of the 2nd half. Then WW goes on a huge run to take a 3-point lead. EC responds quickly and within a couple minutes they are back up by 10.
Excellent game by Burns (29pts, 13rebs). Witt and Mueggenborg came off the bench to provide a late spark. Heidi A. hits double figures.
Beuchner lead WW. WW really played physically tonight. I thought EC was in big trouble when WW took the lead. I thought they might be worn down a little. But, to there credit EC picked it up when they needed to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on January 03, 2007, 10:26:38 PM
Post by: OshDude on January 03, 2007, 10:26:38 PM
Freshman Arin Lane was phenomenal tonight in Oshkosh's win over Platteville. In 24 minutes, she scored 16 points, grabbed five boards to go along with four blocks and three steals. She seemed to be involved in everything in the second half.
Knapp and Tyriver scored their points, but Lane was the difference. With Sharpee having a down game, the Titans needed Lane tonight.
Freshman Beth Hebl also had a nice floor game and defensive effort in her 25 minutes.
If Lane can do half of what she did tonight and Sharpee bounces back after a few not-so-great games, Oshkosh is a nice sleeper team. The kids are starting to play really well and gain confidence. Get your wins over the Titans while you can. Time is running out.
Don't get me wrong -- they are not the Blue Devils or probably even close to matching them -- but they have a very nice team. Then again for every game like tonight, there's a St. Nobert-type game in them as well. Having so many freshmen will do that.
Knapp and Tyriver scored their points, but Lane was the difference. With Sharpee having a down game, the Titans needed Lane tonight.
Freshman Beth Hebl also had a nice floor game and defensive effort in her 25 minutes.
If Lane can do half of what she did tonight and Sharpee bounces back after a few not-so-great games, Oshkosh is a nice sleeper team. The kids are starting to play really well and gain confidence. Get your wins over the Titans while you can. Time is running out.
Don't get me wrong -- they are not the Blue Devils or probably even close to matching them -- but they have a very nice team. Then again for every game like tonight, there's a St. Nobert-type game in them as well. Having so many freshmen will do that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 03, 2007, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 03, 2007, 11:42:00 PM
As Buf noted:
It wasn't pretty, but the Blugolds grind one out against Whitewater, winning ugly...
It was a rather physical game; seemed like subtle elbows and handchecks were being used by both sides... Lot of players on the floor, too, with no calls made...
Whitewater was pressing early, but the 'Golds were able to get a few cheap buckets on lapses by the Hawks... Whitewater used a lot of effective double teams on D, too. Forced 27 turnovers, which is one of the uglies for UWEC... Big factor - UWEC was 25-58 (43%) from the field, vs. 21-72 (29%) for Whitewater...
'Golds led the whole way, until Whitewater went on a 15-0 run to take a 47-44 lead with about six minutes to go... 'Golds then were sparked by threes from Rachel Mueggenborg and Heather Witt to go on a 13-0 lead to basically end it...
Michelle Burns showed some range and demonstrated why she's an all-conference calibre player, scoring a career high 29, with 13 boards. Amanda Zenner added 9 boards. Lindsey Buechner had 16 and 9 to lead the Hawks, while Emily Peters scored 10...
Good crowd - 855 - on a night where verterans of our armed forces were honored for their service to our country. I clapped for you all, but let me say thanks here, ladies and gentlemen...
OshDude - Blugolds are coming to town on Saturday!
It wasn't pretty, but the Blugolds grind one out against Whitewater, winning ugly...
It was a rather physical game; seemed like subtle elbows and handchecks were being used by both sides... Lot of players on the floor, too, with no calls made...
Whitewater was pressing early, but the 'Golds were able to get a few cheap buckets on lapses by the Hawks... Whitewater used a lot of effective double teams on D, too. Forced 27 turnovers, which is one of the uglies for UWEC... Big factor - UWEC was 25-58 (43%) from the field, vs. 21-72 (29%) for Whitewater...
'Golds led the whole way, until Whitewater went on a 15-0 run to take a 47-44 lead with about six minutes to go... 'Golds then were sparked by threes from Rachel Mueggenborg and Heather Witt to go on a 13-0 lead to basically end it...
Michelle Burns showed some range and demonstrated why she's an all-conference calibre player, scoring a career high 29, with 13 boards. Amanda Zenner added 9 boards. Lindsey Buechner had 16 and 9 to lead the Hawks, while Emily Peters scored 10...
Good crowd - 855 - on a night where verterans of our armed forces were honored for their service to our country. I clapped for you all, but let me say thanks here, ladies and gentlemen...
OshDude - Blugolds are coming to town on Saturday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 04, 2007, 08:59:03 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 04, 2007, 08:59:03 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 08:13:48 PM
Re: the sportscast question about what to call Stout women's second line--simply the other half of the starting ten.
The "Other half of that starting 10" was really impressive yesterday. I have not seen Stout for several weeks and I was impressed. They appear ready to make a serious run. Stout has beaten La Crosse 24 straight times now, and I just don't think the La Crosse kids believe they can win that game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 09:16:20 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 09:16:20 AM
QuoteI just don't think the La Crosse kids believe they can win that gameLaCrosse has a way of stepping up when it comes to post-season play. Was it two or three years ago they gave Stout some trouble in playoffs?
Re: UWSP vs UWS--I guess that won't be a conference win for Superior. I find some comfort in the palindromic score. No Jenny Carlson, a usual starter. I know she was thigh-wrapped at the last game up here, and I know she has one bad hamstring, but I don't know if the problem was with the good hamstring or bad and I don't know if it was injury that kept her out of the game. I also don't know if having her in the game would have made a difference. Might have only lost by 20.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 04, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 04, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
It must have been "lopsided streak night" in the WIAC last night.
Stout beat La Crosse for the 24th straight time and Stevens Point beat Superior for the 23rd straight time.
Stout beat La Crosse for the 24th straight time and Stevens Point beat Superior for the 23rd straight time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 10:04:25 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 10:04:25 AM
It wasn't that long ago--two seasons?--that LaCrosse was one of the perennial WIAC losers. There was a big-hurry turn-around last year? LAX got a couple of players and made some nice moves up the W column. I'm hoping Superior does the same thing. Lacking that, I hope to win the lottery. Even with the turn-around, I wouldn't mind winning the lottery
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 04, 2007, 08:59:03 AMQuote from: foul_language on January 03, 2007, 08:13:48 PM
Re: the sportscast question about what to call Stout women's second line--simply the other half of the starting ten.
The "Other half of that starting 10" was really impressive yesterday. I have not seen Stout for several weeks and I was impressed. They appear ready to make a serious run. Stout has beaten La Crosse 24 straight times now, and I just don't think the La Crosse kids believe they can win that game.
A veteran observer of McMurry women made a similar comment about Stout's depth to me when she saw UW-Stout at Southwestern.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 04, 2007, 10:33:33 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 04, 2007, 10:33:33 AM
On the Stout thing...
I will be the first to admit that Stout has a ton of depth but sometimes that seems to plague them. In games I have witnessed sometimes it seems that Coach Thomas gets very frustrated and it becomes line change after line change....I think the time when Stout is at their best is when he gets a good 8 person rotation going and gives the girls a chance to get something going instead of yanking them after a TO or something. Obviously they are a running all up in your face team but sometimes they benefit from slowing down and letting Duoss get the ball in an offense set rather than transition. But on the other end I have seen him make line change after line change and there seems to be no difference between the groups that come in. It is kind of hit or miss I guess...
Definately surprised about the seperation in scores last night expected a lot closer games WW/EC for one!
props to the winners.....big weekend coming up!
I will be the first to admit that Stout has a ton of depth but sometimes that seems to plague them. In games I have witnessed sometimes it seems that Coach Thomas gets very frustrated and it becomes line change after line change....I think the time when Stout is at their best is when he gets a good 8 person rotation going and gives the girls a chance to get something going instead of yanking them after a TO or something. Obviously they are a running all up in your face team but sometimes they benefit from slowing down and letting Duoss get the ball in an offense set rather than transition. But on the other end I have seen him make line change after line change and there seems to be no difference between the groups that come in. It is kind of hit or miss I guess...
Definately surprised about the seperation in scores last night expected a lot closer games WW/EC for one!
props to the winners.....big weekend coming up!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 04, 2007, 10:44:15 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 04, 2007, 10:44:15 AM
I've said a similar thing for years. When Stout was stuck in that 3rd/4th/5th place rut, I always said if they would just dial back the speed a little bit it would save them 5 turnovers and 5 bad shots a game and probably result in 10 more points.
I think it wasn't until Duoss arrived that Stout believed they could set it up and pound it inside from time to time. I think that has been the biggest change that pushed Stout into the top 2 of the conference.
I think it wasn't until Duoss arrived that Stout believed they could set it up and pound it inside from time to time. I think that has been the biggest change that pushed Stout into the top 2 of the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 10:47:32 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 04, 2007, 10:47:32 AM
C4H--I think you're right; the hockey-like line changes can be a benefit or a bane, depending on the night. When it isn't working, Thomas may stick with it too long in an attempt to force it to work or he may jump the gun in seeking a fix. There are, after all, many reasons why something may not be working: individual players are having off nights; the other team is playing the stuttering substitution to its advantage rather than its disadvantage; there's some kind of burp in the cosmos. You can kind of see the tinkering when the first or second line has a new member or two. That's when things can get messy, because the chemistry--which was apparently wrong in the first place--gets even more confused. Or, he may find just the right combination for the night/game. Imagine mixing perfect barbecue sauce every single time for endlessly changing meat. The thing is, Stout has a near-endless list of ingredients to choose from.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2007, 10:16:44 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 05, 2007, 10:16:44 AM
What is up with River Falls?? Big win over Point, but a couple of bad, bad losses to Macalester and St. Scholastica. They would seem to have plenty of talent. Is it a concentration problem?
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0607/WBasketball2006-2007/WRF-CSS.HTM
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/sports0607/WBasketball2006-2007/WRF-CSS.HTM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 05, 2007, 09:57:41 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 05, 2007, 09:57:41 PM
What is UWsuperior doing this season. They have a good nonconference record? But, they have no wins in conference. Is it a same so same so team as usual? I will give you a review as i am seeing them play the Pioneers,an up and down team tomorrow. The game is at UWP,so it looks like a nother loss for the Yellow!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 05, 2007, 10:55:08 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 05, 2007, 10:55:08 PM
I actually think the 'Jackets are playing better basketball, but they don't have the depth or nearly the skill level of the other WIAC teams. I think recruiting has been weak, at best, although I think that's changed with the new coaches for men and women. I don't think the women have done nearly as much off season work, so they come in to every November already lagging in conditioning and settling. They show up well against smaller DIII schools, and sometimes they even do well in conference, although they're in their second year without a win there. I think they beat River Falls two seasons ago--or was it three? Time flies.
I keep hoping to see the women be competitive, but they just never have enough talent. Katie Moench is a good scorer, but there aren't enough of her. I think Amanda Rounsville will do well, but she can't play 40 minutes and lately she hasn't been doing the scoring she should. You know, they just get outclassed, sad to say. But, this is the first year in a long time they've had a real coach. Sandy Eilertsen knew how to play basketball; I'm not sure she knew how to coach. Probably won't see the wins this year, but at least all the losses aren't these ugly blow outs. Well, River Falls and Stevens Point were, but otherwise scores have been respectable.
And I believe bus trips take about 15-20 points out of a team and every trip for UWS is pretty long--shortest conference trip must be Eau Claire at just over two hours. Compare that to EC-Stout-River Falls configuration, where the teams can practically walk to each other's venues.
I keep hoping to see the women be competitive, but they just never have enough talent. Katie Moench is a good scorer, but there aren't enough of her. I think Amanda Rounsville will do well, but she can't play 40 minutes and lately she hasn't been doing the scoring she should. You know, they just get outclassed, sad to say. But, this is the first year in a long time they've had a real coach. Sandy Eilertsen knew how to play basketball; I'm not sure she knew how to coach. Probably won't see the wins this year, but at least all the losses aren't these ugly blow outs. Well, River Falls and Stevens Point were, but otherwise scores have been respectable.
And I believe bus trips take about 15-20 points out of a team and every trip for UWS is pretty long--shortest conference trip must be Eau Claire at just over two hours. Compare that to EC-Stout-River Falls configuration, where the teams can practically walk to each other's venues.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 04:52:31 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 04:52:31 PM
At the half, UWO and UWEC tied at 24. UWO goes out to a quick 10 point lead. EC plays pretty well late in the half. Same old for UWO as Knapp and Tyriver are basically doing everything for UWO. Zenner lead UWEC with 10.
UWL leads Cardinal Stritch at the half 36-34.
UWL leads Cardinal Stritch at the half 36-34.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:31:13 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:31:13 PM
A couple close games both with 5min left
EC leading by 1 over UWO
UWL trailing by 1
EC leading by 1 over UWO
UWL trailing by 1
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:45:35 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:45:35 PM
UWO with 6 straight FTs lead by 4 with a 1:27 left. EC has gone ice cold the last 10min.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:55:50 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 05:55:50 PM
UWO goes 8-8 on FTs in the final 2min and wins 48-42. When the Play by play comes out, it will be interesting to see how many points UWEC had in the last 10min or so. EC only shoots 29%. These low percentages have been common this year on the road. Bottom line in this one is that UWO's top players (Knapp & Tyriver) played well and UWEC's (Heidi A. & Burns) didn't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 06, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 06, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
Oshkosh 48, UWEC 42
Oshkosh dictates the tempo throughout, and the Golds, who got the looks they wanted down the stretch to try to catch up when trailing by a couple of hoops, weren't able to knock the shots down...
Knapp had a nice first half for the Titans, but seems as if Heather Witt was able to bother her the second half, and shut her down. Titans shut down Michelle Burns, who scored 7, and according to the 'Golds radio announcer, frustrated Heidi Arciszewski, who had five points and was 2-11 from the field. 'Golds were only 1-12 from three-point lane...
Whitney Tyriver had a nice game for Oshkosh, finishing with five boards, six assists and 21 to lead them in scoring... Knapp had 11, most in the first half, when the score was tied at 24 at the break...
Not sure of her status, but Oshkosh's center, A. Lane, went out with an ankle injury in the first half and I don't recall hearing her name the rest of the game... Hope it isn't serious...
Both teams are now 3-2 in conference play, if memory serves me correctly...
Oshkosh dictates the tempo throughout, and the Golds, who got the looks they wanted down the stretch to try to catch up when trailing by a couple of hoops, weren't able to knock the shots down...
Knapp had a nice first half for the Titans, but seems as if Heather Witt was able to bother her the second half, and shut her down. Titans shut down Michelle Burns, who scored 7, and according to the 'Golds radio announcer, frustrated Heidi Arciszewski, who had five points and was 2-11 from the field. 'Golds were only 1-12 from three-point lane...
Whitney Tyriver had a nice game for Oshkosh, finishing with five boards, six assists and 21 to lead them in scoring... Knapp had 11, most in the first half, when the score was tied at 24 at the break...
Not sure of her status, but Oshkosh's center, A. Lane, went out with an ankle injury in the first half and I don't recall hearing her name the rest of the game... Hope it isn't serious...
Both teams are now 3-2 in conference play, if memory serves me correctly...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 06, 2007, 06:58:22 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 06, 2007, 06:58:22 PM
EC goes scoreless the last 3:30 or so. UWO does not make a FG for the last 7:30, but hits 11-12 FT's to take the lead and seal it. Just a gutsy game all-around for everyone on UWO. Lane did not return after the injury at about 16:20. But unexpected minutes went to Dempsey, Southworth and Abits, and they played a heck of a game. Nice win for UWO, and I believe its 6 or 7 straight over EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
I found my answer. EC only scores 3 points in the last 11 minutes of the game. WOW! I knew it wasn't going to be good, but I didn't know it was this bad. Actually, UWO only scores 13 points in the last 11 minutes.
A couple of thoughts on EC:
1. I see Fremstad only got 13min today. Is it because of injuries or just not playing well? I wonder if her body is getting beaten up. She plays so physical but has such a small body frame.
2. Anyone know whats up with Voelker? She hasn't played in the last few games. I don't think she was on the bench for EC in the WW game.
A couple of thoughts on EC:
1. I see Fremstad only got 13min today. Is it because of injuries or just not playing well? I wonder if her body is getting beaten up. She plays so physical but has such a small body frame.
2. Anyone know whats up with Voelker? She hasn't played in the last few games. I don't think she was on the bench for EC in the WW game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 08:15:50 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 08:15:50 PM
Stout takes the early advantage in the conference standings with a 71-68 victory over Point. Clutch offensive rebounding off of missed FTs late in the game secured the win for Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 06, 2007, 09:54:10 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 06, 2007, 09:54:10 PM
Voelker has left Eau Claire.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 10:32:58 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2007, 10:32:58 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 06, 2007, 09:54:10 PM
Voelker has left Eau Claire.
You know why?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2007, 12:39:59 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2007, 12:39:59 AM
WARHAWKS take it to River Falls 72-46. RF's only lead was 2-0. WW builds a 17 point lead with four minutes in the first half before RF cut it to nine at half, 32-23. That's as close as RF would get after that as the lead grew to 19 points in the first four minutes of second half. WW's full court pressure gave RF fits and created the bulk of their 28 turnovers. Four freshmen paced the scoring with Nicole Bundy going 9-10 from the free throw line and finishing with 16 points while Rachel Woolever went 4-5 on three pointers to score 14. Heidi Sontag went 3-3 from behind the arc adding 11 points and Dana Thompson also scored 11 with strong play under the basket. Tiffney Morton paced the WARHAWKS with 7 as the WW dominated the boards, 40-18.
WW creeps over the .500 mark at 3-2 in conference play and 10-4 overall.
WW creeps over the .500 mark at 3-2 in conference play and 10-4 overall.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: buf on January 06, 2007, 10:32:58 PMQuote from: hoops49 on January 06, 2007, 09:54:10 PM
Voelker has left Eau Claire.
You know why?
I do Buf, but I don't really want to go in detail on this MB. Players and parents can read this stuff. I think the best way to sum it up is to say Eau Claire wasn't the right fit for her. Good luck to her wherever she goes!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:14:56 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:14:56 AM
On another note, how about this WIAC conference? It sure is hard to get a win on the road in this conference. Is that the way it's always been that some of you basketball junkies remember?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2007, 03:57:57 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2007, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 11:14:56 AM
On another note, how about this WIAC conference? It sure is hard to get a win on the road in this conference. Is that the way it's always been that some of you basketball junkies remember?
No. In the mid to late 90s it was either UWO or EC on top, with Stout trailing close behind. In fact, I think it was 3 straight years that UWO and EC met each other in the Elite 8 of the national tournament. These top 3 teams would just basically lose to each other and no one else (home or away), maybe 1 loss against the other six. There wasn't a whole lot of differece between playing on the road or at home back then. Now days, the conference's depth has really improved making it more difficult to win on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 10:38:38 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 10:38:38 PM
What you said in your last sentence is pretty much what I've heard too.
At least there's more of an element of surprise as to who's going to win on the road instead of it always being the same three teams playing each other. But it sure would be nice to get those wins on the road. The Bluegolds are like two different teams.
At least there's more of an element of surprise as to who's going to win on the road instead of it always being the same three teams playing each other. But it sure would be nice to get those wins on the road. The Bluegolds are like two different teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 08, 2007, 09:27:34 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 08, 2007, 09:27:34 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 07, 2007, 10:38:38 PM
What you said in your last sentence is pretty much what I've heard too.
At least there's more of an element of surprise as to who's going to win on the road instead of it always being the same three teams playing each other. But it sure would be nice to get those wins on the road. The Bluegolds are like two different teams.
Funny that you mention this. Just yesterday I was at Sheels in EC and had the nicest conversation with Michelle Burns (What a class act she is). Anyway, we were talking about how they handled us at EC but how difficult it seemed to be on the road. She said it just always feels more comfortable at home but that will have to change if they want to compete. Also, Michelle, in case you read this stuff, you were right on the money regarding what happened to the RF men's team at WW. BOOM---DYNAMITE. (thats an inside joke)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 08, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 08, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
sounds like some good games this weekend....Was busy so I didn't get to see play by play of any games...sad weekend huh?
I was very surprised on the RF/WW games...RF just seems to be falling apart after a strong start....after checking that box score i noticed Kelsey Hendrickson has yet to see the floor...I heard she was out for the year?? any insight?? I heard she is a great player so I am just curious as to when she will be able to add her ability to an already growing WW program
I was very surprised on the RF/WW games...RF just seems to be falling apart after a strong start....after checking that box score i noticed Kelsey Hendrickson has yet to see the floor...I heard she was out for the year?? any insight?? I heard she is a great player so I am just curious as to when she will be able to add her ability to an already growing WW program
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 08, 2007, 10:12:01 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 08, 2007, 10:12:01 PM
Superior women beat St Scholastica who, according to statistics, beat River Falls on 4 January. Superior gave up eight point leads a couple of times before completely losing their grasp and getting tied up in regulation time. They come back in overtime and win by seven. One starter, Jenny Carlson, is out with a stress fracture. Carissa Nord has seven threes and ends the night with a gazillion points. Moench is uncharacteristically quiet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 09, 2007, 10:05:24 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 09, 2007, 10:05:24 AM
Been too busy to blog and I just caught up with my reading.UWP vs Platteville, I saw the game. i was impressed with the UWS coach. he made good substitutions and was on his team and the officials. he got a technical foul, but he had a beef on a timeout in which the player slid and may not have had possession when the TO was called. Katie Moench is a very good player. considering her talent she was too team like, meaning she needs to shoot more. She was defensed well. Breeana Herzog played the game of her life, but fouled out early in the 2nd half. I thought Amanda Rounsville is pretty solid at Center, only tall player on team, As to my pioneers we need to be more physical. We are young but have a lot of Talent. We shot well from the 3 zone, but our post players had a poor game offensively.LisaWubben is back in form. For a review of the Mens game, see the West BB site. thank you and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2007, 10:24:59 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2007, 10:24:59 AM
Quotei was impressed with the UWS coachI like the UWS coach, but he's had a few technicals. Maybe he needs to learn when to lay off, unless he thinks that will motivate the team. I tend to think most technicals just put the team farther behind. I know sometimes it's good to have the coach go to the mat for you (as a player), and it can give the player a sense of support. I do think Mulhern subs well; unfortunately, his bench is pretty light.
The big problem I have with Moench--from a spectator's POV--is that she doesn't always seem to know when to be selfless vs when to be selfish. I've seen her pass off when, clearly, she should have taken the shot; and then she can drive and shoot when there's no way in the world she can make it. I tend to believe driving into a crowd is generally foolhardy, and if there are four defenders clustered under the basket, there are likely three teammates wide open somewhere. When she's hot, though, she can chew up a basket. That was Nord last night. I like Nord.
Rounsville is tall and solid; I keep forgetting that she's only a sophomore and she's a transfer. I expect more from her, because I watched her play strong basketball from a freshman in high school, and then she only got stronger. College ball is different; she's on a new team; new coach. The next two years will be good for her.
I completely missed the weekend game. Had to go watch hawckey.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 09, 2007, 03:38:29 PM
Post by: buf on January 09, 2007, 03:38:29 PM
I was just on the WIAC page looking at tomorrow's broadcasted games (http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/radiobroadcasts.html) and noticed that some games will be videocast by I-FAN. From looking at the I-FAN schedule, it looks like this company will be broadcasting high school and college sports in Northwest Wisconsin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2007, 04:33:50 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 09, 2007, 04:33:50 PM
I-Fan has been broadcasting high school and college games up here (Superior area) for a couple of years. Last year, it was offering view for a subscription; this year, I see it has sponsors, so games are free. I have been able to watch hockey and basketball. The great thing is that although the Superior community/college doesn't seem to want to support women's hockey enough to do even radio broadcasts, I can watch games on the computer. Picture is small, but that may have more to do with my settings. If you have a DSL link, it's like watching TV (a small one). If you have dial up, it's more like watching hiccups. AND, if you miss the game, it archives broadcasts, so you can watch them later.
Sunday, I watched Badger-Gopher women's basketball on TV and Superior-Concordia women's hockey on I-Fan. Last night, it was UWS-vs St Scholastica on I-Fan. It's a great service, and I would be willing to pay a reasonable subscription to support it.
Sunday, I watched Badger-Gopher women's basketball on TV and Superior-Concordia women's hockey on I-Fan. Last night, it was UWS-vs St Scholastica on I-Fan. It's a great service, and I would be willing to pay a reasonable subscription to support it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2007, 09:30:11 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2007, 09:30:11 AM
I couldn't bring this site up last night at home. Was it unavailable or was it a problem with my computer? I'm in the midst of a war of words with my internet provider, so they may have blocked some of my special interest sites. Buzzards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2007, 10:14:08 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2007, 10:14:08 AM
I didn't have any problems bringing the site up last night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2007, 07:59:58 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 10, 2007, 07:59:58 PM
UW-Sup women choke on a ten point lead in mid second half and end up losing by12, or something, to Finlandia. Two key players start out in street clothes on the bench; Nord gets hurt in first half and is un-uniformed for the second half. Soupers pretty flagged ten minutes into second half. Katie Moench has 25 or so points; maybe 22, it's all lost in a cloud of disappointment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2007, 08:46:11 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2007, 08:46:11 PM
Pointers lead Eau Claire 32-20 at the half. Lechault busting out with 10 points (on 5-5 shooting) and 6 boards. Archie leads EC with 7 points.
UPDATE: Live stats crashed midway through the second half, but Point wins 64-44. Van Gomple leads Point with 13 on 3-3 3-point shooting. Lechault adds 12 on 6-6 shooting. Pointers shoot 50% for the game. Arciszewski scores 13 and Burns 12 (plus 10 boards) for the Blugolds. EC shoots just 27.6% for the game.
UPDATE: Live stats crashed midway through the second half, but Point wins 64-44. Van Gomple leads Point with 13 on 3-3 3-point shooting. Lechault adds 12 on 6-6 shooting. Pointers shoot 50% for the game. Arciszewski scores 13 and Burns 12 (plus 10 boards) for the Blugolds. EC shoots just 27.6% for the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 10, 2007, 10:57:22 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 10, 2007, 10:57:22 PM
The Blugolds crashed, too, although that's not really too accurate, since they only had a 6-5 lead at one point, if I recall correctly, never to lead again. More like stalled out... Listened on the Net feed, which was pretty cool.
Not sure why or how to solve it, but the road woes continue for the Lady Blugolds. How can a coach address this? Maybe the U should pay for six buses to ship half of those who are attending the games in EC to the road games. That way there'd be a good Blugold crowd, to make them feel at home! ;)
They're back in Zorn in a few days, though, where they are undefeated this year, and will will play three key games, starting with Platteville on Saturday, then Superior and La Crosse.
Not sure why or how to solve it, but the road woes continue for the Lady Blugolds. How can a coach address this? Maybe the U should pay for six buses to ship half of those who are attending the games in EC to the road games. That way there'd be a good Blugold crowd, to make them feel at home! ;)
They're back in Zorn in a few days, though, where they are undefeated this year, and will will play three key games, starting with Platteville on Saturday, then Superior and La Crosse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2007, 11:07:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2007, 11:07:19 PM
Back in the day, the high school team I followed was having the opposite problem. They would win on the road, but struggled mightily at home.
Finally, the coach had enough. He booked a bus, loaded the team up and drove to their opponents high school (about 20 minutes away). He let them get out, stretch their legs and then loaded them back up. They arrived at their home gym, wore dark jerseys, sat on the opposite bench and won the game going away.
Finally, the coach had enough. He booked a bus, loaded the team up and drove to their opponents high school (about 20 minutes away). He let them get out, stretch their legs and then loaded them back up. They arrived at their home gym, wore dark jerseys, sat on the opposite bench and won the game going away.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2007, 11:21:21 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2007, 11:21:21 PM
RF blows a 10pt lead with less than 5min left and loses by 1 at Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 10, 2007, 11:59:47 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 10, 2007, 11:59:47 PM
Went to the UWW vs my beloved Pioneers tonight. it is always a great night to be a Pioneer, whether we win or lose. Game was 26-24 at Half. It was very ugly, as UWP had 20 turnovers in first half. in the 2nd we went stone cold, while the hawks heated up. UWW has a lot of depth and lplayedvery well.Only 211 in attendence, only about 6 or 7 from Whitewater. The UWW full court press dominated us just like the recent UWRF vs UWW game. Lisa Grantman played point guard, i feel she is a much better forward. She stuggled with 12 turnovers, this affected her offense with only 2 points. She is a good player, but not tonight. Game will be on tv later on fox Sports net. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 11, 2007, 12:03:12 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 11, 2007, 12:03:12 AM
Tough loss for RF. They have a better team than their record. However, they should keep their heads high giving the lady bluedevils a scare. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 11, 2007, 09:08:57 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on January 11, 2007, 09:08:57 AM
The top 4 possible reasons BDB was MIA at Johnson Fieldhouse last night...
1. Offer of free post-game beer from the Mayor was impossible to pass up.
2. GM duties called at the Dunn County ice arena.
3. Bank error... had to work into the wee hours of the morning to correct.
or
4. Had to play host to the choir from St. Joes...
Anyway, in my opinion he missed some strange player line-ups and a nail-biter at the end.
1. Offer of free post-game beer from the Mayor was impossible to pass up.
2. GM duties called at the Dunn County ice arena.
3. Bank error... had to work into the wee hours of the morning to correct.
or
4. Had to play host to the choir from St. Joes...
Anyway, in my opinion he missed some strange player line-ups and a nail-biter at the end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2007, 10:08:49 AM
WARHAWKS improve to 4-2, 11-4 with a solid 69-50 road win in Platteville. After shooting only 32% in the first half and holding only a two point lead, 26-24, the HAWKS picked it up to 53% and used two runs, 9-2 early and 11-2 to finish the game, to outscore the Pioneer 43-26 in the second half and win going away. Platteville had 28 turnovers, 14 of which were steals by WW. Lyndsey Buechner led the way with a stat line that read 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 steals, 2 assists and a block. Tiffany Morton added 14 points and also had 9 rebounds. Trisha Thill finished with 11 points.
Winning on the road anywhere but Superior in conference play has been a problem for the lady WARHAWKS in the past so this was a nice win to get. The game with Stout Saturday should be interesting as both teams have such similar styles.
Winning on the road anywhere but Superior in conference play has been a problem for the lady WARHAWKS in the past so this was a nice win to get. The game with Stout Saturday should be interesting as both teams have such similar styles.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 10:18:07 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 10:18:07 AM
Headline of women's basketball story on UW-Superior website:
Things were worse than I thought: nothing badder than offensive Loins
QuoteLoins Second-Half Offense Too Much
Things were worse than I thought: nothing badder than offensive Loins
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 11, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 11, 2007, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 10:18:07 AM
Headline of women's basketball story on UW-Superior website:QuoteLoins Second-Half Offense Too Much
Things were worse than I thought: nothing badder than offensive Loins
Gosh, this reminds me of the line in the movie "Smokey and the Bandit" when our hero, talking to his son says, "I can't believe anything as stupid as you could come out of my loins."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 11, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
I watched the Stout women's game last night while at the Superior men's game. It was great except for the three or four times the message scrolled across the bottom, "changing media," just before the screen went blank. And, although I enjoy play-by-play commentary, I don't think the person has to be quite to inclusive as to what's going on on the court, especially if it's video. The poor guy was trying to keep up with each pass, each dribble, each look. I remember the Stout audio guy doing that last year, too, and thinking these guys should listen to WMEQ for a few games. If we know who's on the floor and generally what's going on, we can fill in the individual movements. I can even live with description-by-number rather than names. I do feel sorry for a single person trying to cover a game, though. Must be very lonely.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:30:54 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:30:54 PM
I guess posters are too intrigued with football right now to care about WIAC basketball. Pffffft.
Superior women win their first conference game in two years, taking LaCrosse down 63-62. Superior is still without starters Jenny Carlson and Carissa Nord, who would have contributed defensively and offensively, respectively.
Sidebar: Beth Haworth got married last night, played very well today, despite turning an ankle and having to be rewrapped a couple of times (if you turn an ankle twice is it a turn and a return?).
My strategy for the rest of the UW-Superior women's season: marry off a basketball player a week. :)
Superior women win their first conference game in two years, taking LaCrosse down 63-62. Superior is still without starters Jenny Carlson and Carissa Nord, who would have contributed defensively and offensively, respectively.
Sidebar: Beth Haworth got married last night, played very well today, despite turning an ankle and having to be rewrapped a couple of times (if you turn an ankle twice is it a turn and a return?).
My strategy for the rest of the UW-Superior women's season: marry off a basketball player a week. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:34:09 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:34:09 PM
OK. What's wrong with the WMEQ feed?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 13, 2007, 08:44:28 PM
Post by: buf on January 13, 2007, 08:44:28 PM
EC defeats Platteville in an UGLY game. Halftime score was 22-15. Better play in the 2nd Half by EC. Witt and Mueggenborg had really good games for EC. Nobody really stood out for UWP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 08:49:08 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 08:49:08 PM
UW-Stevens Point women down MSOE by some 30 points or so--no surprise there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 13, 2007, 08:54:59 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 13, 2007, 08:54:59 PM
Thank you Buf and FL: I hope the UWSup player can get a honeymoon for a couple of days off to celebrate the victory! As to UWP, what stood out is22 turnovers, shooting that could not hit a barn, and no spark, according to the radio broadcast. I do not feel we will play well until we get back into running our halfcourt offense, by not turning the ball over and getting it up the court a lot faster. The radio said that EC played good perimeter offense by not allowing any open shots and clogging the passing lanes. Blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2007, 09:38:49 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2007, 09:38:49 PM
Final = UWEC 58 (10-6, 4-3) , UWP 41 (8-8, 2-5)
foul language - no shotgun wedding for any YellowJackets before they come to Zorn on Wednesday! ;) Congrats to Superior for knocking off UWL. Blugolds can not afford to look past them on Wednesday for Saturday's match against the Eagles...
Buf had asked earlier about the number of minutes for the 'Golds Missy Fremstad. Today, I think Coach Englund was forced into making an adjustment, and go with the hot hand, rather than any scripted substitutions, if there is such a thing; Heather Witt had a super game off the bench, and earned the 28 minutes she got today...
Witt was a spark, and had career highs in steals and assists (five) and rebounds, with 7, and six points. As buf notes, Rachel Mueggenborg had a nice game, too, with 12 points, on two threes and some nice moves to the hoop... Michelle Burns lead with 14, Heidi Arcizsewski adds 10.
Pioneers were led by Liz Tesch, with 14. The Blugolds changed up on her a lot defensively, with players rotating on her as subs came in. They did a nice job, and she was frustrated... Not a lot of firepower today (16-56 for 28.6%) from UWP, who are just about as young, if not younger, than the 'Golds...
Halftime was 22-15 Golds...
And, dare I say it, lest I jinx them, the 'Golds were perfect from the charity stripe, 10-10. Oops, I shouldn't have said that. ;)
foul language - no shotgun wedding for any YellowJackets before they come to Zorn on Wednesday! ;) Congrats to Superior for knocking off UWL. Blugolds can not afford to look past them on Wednesday for Saturday's match against the Eagles...
Buf had asked earlier about the number of minutes for the 'Golds Missy Fremstad. Today, I think Coach Englund was forced into making an adjustment, and go with the hot hand, rather than any scripted substitutions, if there is such a thing; Heather Witt had a super game off the bench, and earned the 28 minutes she got today...
Witt was a spark, and had career highs in steals and assists (five) and rebounds, with 7, and six points. As buf notes, Rachel Mueggenborg had a nice game, too, with 12 points, on two threes and some nice moves to the hoop... Michelle Burns lead with 14, Heidi Arcizsewski adds 10.
Pioneers were led by Liz Tesch, with 14. The Blugolds changed up on her a lot defensively, with players rotating on her as subs came in. They did a nice job, and she was frustrated... Not a lot of firepower today (16-56 for 28.6%) from UWP, who are just about as young, if not younger, than the 'Golds...
Halftime was 22-15 Golds...
And, dare I say it, lest I jinx them, the 'Golds were perfect from the charity stripe, 10-10. Oops, I shouldn't have said that. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 13, 2007, 09:45:51 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 13, 2007, 09:45:51 PM
Thank you for your good summary! I already gave you Karma on the mens site. only 1 karma per day to keep the Doctor away. Have a nice weekend and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 13, 2007, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: buf on January 13, 2007, 10:31:00 PM
RF defeats UWO 47-32. UWO only shoots 21% and has 25 turnovers. RF not much better at 34%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2007, 10:51:35 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2007, 10:51:35 PM
Since I mentioned the pep band for the men's game, I better acknowledge the kids from North Star Middle School, too. They did a fine job tonight, too, performing for the Lady Blugolds' game tonight, and even learned the UWEC fight song. Nice to have some music in the arena during the breaks, I think, rather than dead silence...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 11:02:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 11:02:49 PM
QuoteRF defeats UWO 47-32. UWO only shoots 21% and has 25 turnovers
It's a bad game when your turnovers approach score. What a low-scoring game. Was this a game of tremendous defense on both sides or really crappy play on both sides? Sounds like a high school score.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 11:04:04 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 11:04:04 PM
P.S. Bride selection begins Tuesday...maybe marry her off to one the basketball players on the men's team. They could use some help, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 13, 2007, 07:34:09 PM
OK. What's wrong with the WMEQ feed?
we didn't realize there was anything wrong (other than the usual incompetence of color guy).
That means you missed the best post game interview EVER. I am talking to Dani Boese immediately after the game (22 points, 12 boards, awesome game) and she is telling us how she likes the Stout style and she says, "I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen". Then she gets this terrified look on her face as if to say, "oh my gosh, I can't believe I just said that on the radio." It was the best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 14, 2007, 01:21:06 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 14, 2007, 01:21:06 PM
Quote"I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".Obviously, the problem was a pre-emptive strike by the censoring people. I had to quit listening while there was still a couple minutes of game. Radio kept quitting, buffering forever and then connecting for about five seconds before repeating the whole thing. Maddening.
Stout looks like it's on its way to a cleanish sweep.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 02:43:50 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 02:43:50 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 14, 2007, 01:21:06 PMQuote"I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".Obviously, the problem was a pre-emptive strike by the censoring people. I had to quit listening while there was still a couple minutes of game. Radio kept quitting, buffering forever and then connecting for about five seconds before repeating the whole thing. Maddening.
Stout looks like it's on its way to a cleanish sweep.
I agree. With a very favorable schedule now (lots of home games), and players like Boese, Oeltjen, and Hirssig really stepping up, I don't see anyone else in the conference touching them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2007, 04:48:32 PM
Post by: buf on January 14, 2007, 04:48:32 PM
How bad is Duoss' injury? I heard she has tendonitis in one of her feet. She hasn't played much or putting up the numbers she did before the injury.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2007, 05:19:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2007, 05:19:41 PM
It's been awhile since I've posted here, but now that football is pretty much over, and we're at the midpoint of the WIAC schedule, I think it's time for me to jump in and try to catch up...
I want to thank BadgerWarhawk for providing the tickets for my grandson and I to attend the Stout/WW game yesterday!!! Afterwards we went out to the Lone Star and went over the good, bad, and ugly of the game. And there was some of each.... ;D
Dani had a sneaky good day. I realized she was being effective both at scoring and on the boards, but was surprised by the 22/12 finish for her. She really appears to have a bright future.
Mrs. Champ called me at halftime from Washington DC to update me on what had happened up in Superior!!! She's out there for training but was listening to the WMEQ broadcast to follow our UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils!!!
That's great for Superior and I hope they win all the rest of their games this season with the exception of any games played at Johnson Fieldhouse.... :)
I want to thank BadgerWarhawk for providing the tickets for my grandson and I to attend the Stout/WW game yesterday!!! Afterwards we went out to the Lone Star and went over the good, bad, and ugly of the game. And there was some of each.... ;D
Dani had a sneaky good day. I realized she was being effective both at scoring and on the boards, but was surprised by the 22/12 finish for her. She really appears to have a bright future.
Mrs. Champ called me at halftime from Washington DC to update me on what had happened up in Superior!!! She's out there for training but was listening to the WMEQ broadcast to follow our UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils!!!
That's great for Superior and I hope they win all the rest of their games this season with the exception of any games played at Johnson Fieldhouse.... :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 15, 2007, 12:42:22 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 15, 2007, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 02:43:50 PMQuote from: foul_language on January 14, 2007, 01:21:06 PMQuote"I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen".Obviously, the problem was a pre-emptive strike by the censoring people. I had to quit listening while there was still a couple minutes of game. Radio kept quitting, buffering forever and then connecting for about five seconds before repeating the whole thing. Maddening.
Stout looks like it's on its way to a cleanish sweep.
I agree. With a very favorable schedule now (lots of home games), and players like Boese, Oeltjen, and Hirssig really stepping up, I don't see anyone else in the conference touching them.
i think we are forgetting they have to travel to Point who always plays them tougher at home.....home team has a history of winning the battle between these two teams....don't start crowning anyone yet
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2007, 01:02:22 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2007, 01:02:22 PM
You are correct about the Point trip, but I just think Stout is playing better than anyone else right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2007, 01:09:56 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2007, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: buf on January 14, 2007, 04:48:32 PM
How bad is Duoss' injury? I heard she has tendonitis in one of her feet. She hasn't played much or putting up the numbers she did before the injury.
I think Duoss' lack of numbers the past two games are not so much a result of an injury but of some limited minutes. (foul trouble and Mark's desire to motivate her to dominate more than she does while she is playing). She may have some tendonitis but I am not aware of that. In Mark's system, it does not matter if you are the star or nonstarter. If you do not perform, you sit down in a hurry and sometimes you stay there for awhile.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2007, 03:40:25 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2007, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on January 15, 2007, 12:42:22 PM
....don't start crowning anyone yet
"If you want to crown them, then crown their ass!"
I can't resist sliding in great Denny Green quote anytime I can.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2007, 03:49:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2007, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 14, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
I am talking to Dani Boese immediately after the game (22 points, 12 boards, awesome game) and she is telling us how she likes the Stout style and she says, "I like getting up and down the floor and getting in the paint and making sh** happen". Then she gets this terrified look on her face as if to say, "oh my gosh, I can't believe I just said that on the radio." It was the best.
She really played well. None of our bigs did an effective job defending her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 15, 2007, 04:05:47 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 15, 2007, 04:05:47 PM
I hesitated to make the sweep absolute, which is why I used the word "cleanish".
T will make anyone sit, but he tends to give some players a benefit of a doubt. It's not easy to break into the elite ten; you have to come in with credentials to get the second, third, fourth chances. Watch the regular players; they do and always have had their share of turnovers and bonehead plays. That bench below the top ten doesn't get those second chances to make a first impression. They screw up, they're gone. You may think that makes sense, but who knows what talent is lurking down in that bottom 12 player group? Given the chance to get into a comfort zone, they might show some surprising talent, as well. How many times do you see one of those people come off the bench late in the game and sink some great shots, make some great defensive play. They aren't always playing the second string opponent, and they're coming in cold after something like 35 minutes of game.
Which brings me back to a discussion I raised and raised again in the past: why take your talent to a school where it will sit hidden behind a bunch of established players? If I were a high school senior with some talent, I might be looking to a school that needs one or two more players to bump up to highly competitive. I guess I'd be looking at Oshkosh or, yes, Superior.
Bottom line, if you aren't recruited to one of the top-competing schools, go elsewhere if you want to play.
T will make anyone sit, but he tends to give some players a benefit of a doubt. It's not easy to break into the elite ten; you have to come in with credentials to get the second, third, fourth chances. Watch the regular players; they do and always have had their share of turnovers and bonehead plays. That bench below the top ten doesn't get those second chances to make a first impression. They screw up, they're gone. You may think that makes sense, but who knows what talent is lurking down in that bottom 12 player group? Given the chance to get into a comfort zone, they might show some surprising talent, as well. How many times do you see one of those people come off the bench late in the game and sink some great shots, make some great defensive play. They aren't always playing the second string opponent, and they're coming in cold after something like 35 minutes of game.
Which brings me back to a discussion I raised and raised again in the past: why take your talent to a school where it will sit hidden behind a bunch of established players? If I were a high school senior with some talent, I might be looking to a school that needs one or two more players to bump up to highly competitive. I guess I'd be looking at Oshkosh or, yes, Superior.
Bottom line, if you aren't recruited to one of the top-competing schools, go elsewhere if you want to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 12:21:42 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 15, 2007, 04:05:47 PMHow many times do you see one of those people come off the bench late in the game and sink some great shots, make some great defensive play. They aren't always playing the second string opponent, and they're coming in cold after something like 35 minutes of game.
They may be coming in cold, but they are going up against players that are tired and realize that they aren't going to win the game (in many cases).
I've watched (as you know) T's teams for many years, and I have seen starters moved backwards on the depth chart as younger players prove themselves.
Oshkosh may return to be a power in the future (they've been one of the top programs) and Superior may be on the rise for the first time.
If you are a HS senior that could be one of those "one or two players more players" that would help take a team to the next level, you would have to be good enough to get significant playing time on any WIAC team.
And if you happen to go to a school that has an excellent program already, you just might end up becoming a better player because of better coaching and a better supporting cast to help you perform better.
But as SUPERFAN posted - "go to the school that has the best program for your goal". That's more important than playing time IMHO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 09:21:07 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!
There are no engineers employed by the Green Bay Packers. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 17, 2007, 10:06:04 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 17, 2007, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 09:21:07 AMQuote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!
There are no engineers employed by the Green Bay Packers. ;)
maybe this is what they are missing to get into the playoffs.... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 17, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 17, 2007, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 09:21:07 AMYou know, BW, if the Packers would just change their name to Packagers, Stout graduates could have a shot. We have a packaging major. I asked a Stout football player a couple years ago what he was going to do with his degree and he said, "I'm not sure. Package, I guess".Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
Dear FL: I agree with you to a point. You should go to the school that has the best program for your goal.If you want to be an Engineer you go to Platteville. As Coach E from FB says "we train them to work for the Packers not play for them." God Bless!
There are no engineers employed by the Green Bay Packers. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 11:09:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 11:09:14 AM
What is the starting salary range for a packager these days? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 01:25:53 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 01:25:53 PM
I love this site!
Only on D3Hoops do we start with how athletes choose schools (and I absolutely agree the first decision an athlete makes is what he or she is looking for in academics and uses athletics as secondary or lower criteria; however, some kids have absolutely no clue when they graduate from high school...or later) move on to a school that offers a major that sounds like another major that can be applied to another subject that etc. etc. etc.
These interactions are so much better than the snipey ones. Thank you all for a great laugh.
Only on D3Hoops do we start with how athletes choose schools (and I absolutely agree the first decision an athlete makes is what he or she is looking for in academics and uses athletics as secondary or lower criteria; however, some kids have absolutely no clue when they graduate from high school...or later) move on to a school that offers a major that sounds like another major that can be applied to another subject that etc. etc. etc.
These interactions are so much better than the snipey ones. Thank you all for a great laugh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 02:24:21 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 11:09:14 AM
What is the starting salary range for a packager these days? :D
In GB, I here they pay those Green Bay Packagers quite a bit. Starting pay for a backup Packager is several hundred thousand dollars I here. I understand one of those guys that is sure to go to the Packager HOF is going to make 9 or 10 million dollars this year.
It doesn't pay that well in other parts of the country though...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
hey foul language -
Any last-minute weddings I should know about before I head over to Zorn for the Blugolds/Yellow Jackets game tonight? ;)
The win over UWL has caught the attention of the team here...
Any last-minute weddings I should know about before I head over to Zorn for the Blugolds/Yellow Jackets game tonight? ;)
The win over UWL has caught the attention of the team here...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 04:28:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 04:28:49 PM
I ain't talkin'
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 04:33:57 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 04:33:57 PM
Addendum to last post: We'll have to work out a romance by Friday night in order to be ready Saturday.
On the weekend menu: Friday night (besides the wedding...TBA)=men's hockey; Saturday=men's basketball at 1 PM; women's hockey at 2 pm; women's basketball at 3 pm; men's hockey at 7:05 pm.
there's a lot of wooing to do.
On the weekend menu: Friday night (besides the wedding...TBA)=men's hockey; Saturday=men's basketball at 1 PM; women's hockey at 2 pm; women's basketball at 3 pm; men's hockey at 7:05 pm.
there's a lot of wooing to do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 06:20:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
The win over UWL has caught the attention of the team here...
It better have gotten the attention of every team in the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 06:37:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2007, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 17, 2007, 02:24:21 PM
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In GB, I here they pay those Green Bay Packagers quite a bit. Starting pay for a backup Packager is several hundred thousand dollars I here. I understand one of those guys that is sure to go to the Packager HOF is going to make 9 or 10 million dollars this year.
It doesn't pay that well in other parts of the country though...
Then you have the 38 year-old Packager, making $10 million a year, who just doesn't pack like he used to pack but can't decided whether to hang it up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 06:51:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 06:51:49 PM
Quotebut can't decided whether to hang it upOf course, you meant he can't decide whether to pack it in, right?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 17, 2007, 10:15:20 PM
Post by: buf on January 17, 2007, 10:15:20 PM
UWEC wins fairly easy over Superior behind a strong second half. Witt again provides an immediate spark, getting her first start. She did a good job with ball pressure and anticipation, leading to a lot of steals. Superior quietly was only down by 5 at the half. Moench is a real good player and Superior has improved quite a bit from past years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 10:55:16 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 17, 2007, 10:55:16 PM
UWEC 72 (11-6, 5-3) Superior 43 (7-9, 1-7)
Superior played fairly well for the first half, and only trailed 26-21, on some threes to stay close and put a scare into the 'Golds. Had it not been for the maybe a half dozen bad passes, it could easily have been tied or Superior ahead going into the break, since it wasn't really a matter of UWEC playing poorly...
Not sure who said what at half in the lockerroom, though, since Superior did a Jekyl and Hyde. It was like a totally different team out there for Superior. Just didn't have it the second half. And then, when it rained, it poured, and the 'Golds went on a 9-0 run to basically put it out of reach... Superior only made five shots in the second half, including three threes.
Heather Witt did start and her intense pressure defense is turning into a layup drill on the other end. I think Amanda Zenner had a nice first half, scoring six of her eight of her points then.
Michelle Burns leads with 16, while Heidi Arcisewski added 15; they combined to hit 13 of their 18 shots, which usually bodes well for the team... As a team, the 'Golds hit 21 of 30 in the second half, when everything was going in, to finish at 50.8% for the night... Bench got some playing time, and Jodi Lindner was able to hit two nice jumpers...
Ashley Laidley gave it her all for Superior, scoring 10, but more impressively getting 11 boards. Katie Moench leads with 14, on four threes and two FTs...
But the key to the game was turnovers - 32 to 14 in favor of UWEC; 'Golds scored 33 points off them...
But my player of the game came off the bench tonight for UWEC. Missy Fremstad brought her usual hustle, intensity and scrappiness on D, but also had six points, including a pair of shots that were nails in the coffin, as they put the 'Golds up 14 each time, instead of making it a 10-point game at about the 13-minute mark... That - 14 - was as close as Superior was able to get the rest of the game.
Of course, since I noted the perfection from the free throw line in the last game, 10-10, I did jinx the 'Golds, who were only 4-8 from the stripe. And boy, was it really a jinx, too. I have never seen someone shoot a free throw line drive that got pinned between the rim and the backboard, getting stuck! ;) It was a hoot! Michelle Burns then used another ball to knock Heather Witt's errant toss out, but not in for a make. Ha.
Superior played fairly well for the first half, and only trailed 26-21, on some threes to stay close and put a scare into the 'Golds. Had it not been for the maybe a half dozen bad passes, it could easily have been tied or Superior ahead going into the break, since it wasn't really a matter of UWEC playing poorly...
Not sure who said what at half in the lockerroom, though, since Superior did a Jekyl and Hyde. It was like a totally different team out there for Superior. Just didn't have it the second half. And then, when it rained, it poured, and the 'Golds went on a 9-0 run to basically put it out of reach... Superior only made five shots in the second half, including three threes.
Heather Witt did start and her intense pressure defense is turning into a layup drill on the other end. I think Amanda Zenner had a nice first half, scoring six of her eight of her points then.
Michelle Burns leads with 16, while Heidi Arcisewski added 15; they combined to hit 13 of their 18 shots, which usually bodes well for the team... As a team, the 'Golds hit 21 of 30 in the second half, when everything was going in, to finish at 50.8% for the night... Bench got some playing time, and Jodi Lindner was able to hit two nice jumpers...
Ashley Laidley gave it her all for Superior, scoring 10, but more impressively getting 11 boards. Katie Moench leads with 14, on four threes and two FTs...
But the key to the game was turnovers - 32 to 14 in favor of UWEC; 'Golds scored 33 points off them...
But my player of the game came off the bench tonight for UWEC. Missy Fremstad brought her usual hustle, intensity and scrappiness on D, but also had six points, including a pair of shots that were nails in the coffin, as they put the 'Golds up 14 each time, instead of making it a 10-point game at about the 13-minute mark... That - 14 - was as close as Superior was able to get the rest of the game.
Of course, since I noted the perfection from the free throw line in the last game, 10-10, I did jinx the 'Golds, who were only 4-8 from the stripe. And boy, was it really a jinx, too. I have never seen someone shoot a free throw line drive that got pinned between the rim and the backboard, getting stuck! ;) It was a hoot! Michelle Burns then used another ball to knock Heather Witt's errant toss out, but not in for a make. Ha.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 18, 2007, 06:52:06 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 18, 2007, 06:52:06 AM
Positive karma for the Bulk. The honeymoon must have been over with 32 from UWS! I do think the Lady Bluegolds can make a run for the NCAA if you play up to your potential, especially on the road. You have a good coach and plenty of talent. You admitted being a big guy, so maybe you should switch your number to bulk 91, you have a quarterback number! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 18, 2007, 09:58:21 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 18, 2007, 09:58:21 AM
I could only watch for six points into the second half, and then I could read the writing on the wall. Between the dismal performance--after a kind of promising run at the end of the first half--in the early second half and the announcer pronouncing Heidi 'Arciszewski' Andrewski--which I didn't understand at all; how do you get ANDREWski out of Arciszewski?--I couldn't stand it. So, since I was AT the men's game and it looked promising, I shut the old laptop down and concentrated on losing the men's game. Which I did. You're welcome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2007, 10:29:43 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2007, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 17, 2007, 06:51:49 PMQuotebut can't decided whether to hang it upOf course, you meant he can't decide whether to pack it in, right?
DUH, how could I miss such a stupid pun? I'm slippin'.
The WARHAWKS got a important win last night 68-59 over the Titan. After a turnover WW got rolling and built a double digit lead in the first five minutes of play which they maintained until the Titan made a run over the last four minutes to cut the margin to only three points, 36-33, at half. The Titan continued that run with the first basket of the second half, a three-pointer, to tie and after a couple minutes of going back and forth were able to maintain the lead which eventually grew to six points. They held the lead until the eight minute mark when Trisha Thill made a pair of free throws to tie and take the lead 52-51. Oshkosh regained the lead two more times, the latest with about 3 minutes remaining, but a turnover and two missed shots allowed WW to build a six point lead which was built upon down the stretch. Lindsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS with 17 points and pulled down 7 rebounds. Trisha Thill added 10 points and had 4 assists.
Whitney Tyriver, Becky Knapp and Kayla Sharpee led the Titan with 20, 16 and 15 points respectively. Knapp and Sharpee each had 9 rebounds.
Some factors in the game...
1. Free throws.....WARHAWKS shoot almost twice as many (37-19) and make more than twice as many (27-13). Though a tad shakey in the second half (14-24) the WARHAWKS drilled them in the first (13-13).
2. Turnovers....Though only a one turover difference (21-20) in favor of the WARHAWKS 13 of them were steals which led to some easy baskets and allowed the WARHAWKS to maintain a fast pace of play.
3. The benchs....If you take away the playing time of Arin Lane who had foul trouble and sat a lot the remaining Oshkosh starters averaged almost 34 minutes of play. WW's starters averaged 20 minutes. WW's bench outscored the Titan's 28-3. Plus the WARHAWKS went 10 deep off their bench and with only 9 dressed I think fatigue may have been a factor down the stretch for the Titan.
WARHAWKS improve to 12-5 overall and 5-3 to maintain their spot in the four team log jam that is second place in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 18, 2007, 12:56:25 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 18, 2007, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2007, 10:29:43 AM
WARHAWKS improve to 12-5 overall and 5-3 to maintain their spot in the four team log jam that is second place in the WIAC.
Who's in first... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 18, 2007, 09:25:54 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 18, 2007, 09:25:54 PM
Stout, Stout, Stout! At least this will divert some attention from the FB situation. I notice that my beloved Pioneers play you guys twice on Saturday! I wish I could come up but I have to work on Friday and Saturday. A old SF still needs some sleep! I should stay off the UWWBWCR site talking Football. They must have given me negative Karma. For you women posters this means University Of Wisconsin Whitewater Band Wagon Chat Room, AKA the WIAC Football site. God Bles! PS I could use some poitive Karma to get me under - 20!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 18, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 18, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
PSuperfan -
Yes, I alluded to being a big guy, perhaps an offensive lineman, in a post earlier, but bulk19 is suitable, not bulk91, because I'm actually the size of, oh, say, maybe a kicker or punter. Ha... ;)
Who's on first? I don't know... No wait, he's on second...
Two of three teams can pull ahead in the logjam with wins on Saturday - if Point wins vs. River Falls, and the winner of the UWEC-UWL game. Warhawks will stay at 5-3, with a bye, if I've read the schedule correctly... Of course, that means all kinds of upsets and everything is going to go wacky on Saturday, and my best laid plans of mice and men will go astray, goofing up my nice little summary of things from Saturday. :)
Point has a great winning streak at home - in the 20s now for consecutive wins. Still have River Falls, Stout and Whitewater left this season...
Blugolds will be looking to pay UWL back on Saturday for an earlier loss in LaX. Good crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...
Yes, I alluded to being a big guy, perhaps an offensive lineman, in a post earlier, but bulk19 is suitable, not bulk91, because I'm actually the size of, oh, say, maybe a kicker or punter. Ha... ;)
Who's on first? I don't know... No wait, he's on second...
Two of three teams can pull ahead in the logjam with wins on Saturday - if Point wins vs. River Falls, and the winner of the UWEC-UWL game. Warhawks will stay at 5-3, with a bye, if I've read the schedule correctly... Of course, that means all kinds of upsets and everything is going to go wacky on Saturday, and my best laid plans of mice and men will go astray, goofing up my nice little summary of things from Saturday. :)
Point has a great winning streak at home - in the 20s now for consecutive wins. Still have River Falls, Stout and Whitewater left this season...
Blugolds will be looking to pay UWL back on Saturday for an earlier loss in LaX. Good crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 19, 2007, 08:32:53 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 19, 2007, 08:32:53 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 18, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
Good crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...
Getting the fans in the stands is important. It let's the teams know that they have support!!! Nothing worse than playing in a (virtually) empty fieldhouse.
WIAC ATTENDANCE - Season to date (listed alphabetically):
Home attendance for UWEC has averaged (per WIAC statistics) 634 per game. The high game was 1163 vs. Stout.
Home attendance for UWL has averaged 288 per game. The high game was 490 vs LaCrosse's Viterbo college.
Home attendance for UWO has averaged 428 per game. The high game was 942 vs. UWEC.
Home attendance for UWP has averaged 346 per game. The high game was 480 vs. Stout.
Home attendance for UWRF has averaged 175 per game. The high game was 233 vs. Superior.
Home attendance for UWSP has averaged 379 per game. The high game was 577 vs. UWO.
Home attendance for Stout has averaged 1133 per game. The high game was 1531 vs. UWSP.
Home attendance for Superior has averaged 215 per game. The high game was 334 vs. Finlandia.
Home attendance for UWW has averaged 233 per game. The high game was 808 vs. Stout.
It'll be interesting to see how the numbers look at the end of the regular season!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 19, 2007, 11:28:45 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 19, 2007, 11:28:45 AM
How does a perennial losing team (Superior) manage to average bigger attendance than another team (River Falls)? Does RF only seat 200? Standing room only when Superior was there?
Note: highest attendance at RF coincided with a big effort. Until the fiasco at EC Wednesday, that was the worst drubbing of the season--also the first drubbing of the season. Yes, yes, I understand the RF loss was actually worse in terms of points, but the loss at EC was awful in terms of dashing hopeful expectations.
BTW, there were many in the stands at the last Superior men's game; all the hawkey--men and women, I believe--turned out. They were unusually subdued. The last time I sat in front of the hawkey men, they were pretty raucous. Must be saving their energy for the weekend.
Note: highest attendance at RF coincided with a big effort. Until the fiasco at EC Wednesday, that was the worst drubbing of the season--also the first drubbing of the season. Yes, yes, I understand the RF loss was actually worse in terms of points, but the loss at EC was awful in terms of dashing hopeful expectations.
BTW, there were many in the stands at the last Superior men's game; all the hawkey--men and women, I believe--turned out. They were unusually subdued. The last time I sat in front of the hawkey men, they were pretty raucous. Must be saving their energy for the weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 19, 2007, 04:36:30 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 19, 2007, 04:36:30 PM
For Oshkosh and Superior fans
Believe it or not, 90.3 WRST-FM will be making the trip to Superior to broadcast both Men's and Women's basketball games.
I'll have the call for the women's game, TitansRus will have the call for the men's.
you can listen to the stream by visiting this link: www.uwosh.edu/wrst
Superior peeps,
Is there anything to do in Superior? Any good places to eat? Or should we just keep on hiking up north to Duluth
Believe it or not, 90.3 WRST-FM will be making the trip to Superior to broadcast both Men's and Women's basketball games.
I'll have the call for the women's game, TitansRus will have the call for the men's.
you can listen to the stream by visiting this link: www.uwosh.edu/wrst
Superior peeps,
Is there anything to do in Superior? Any good places to eat? Or should we just keep on hiking up north to Duluth
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 19, 2007, 09:49:11 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 19, 2007, 09:49:11 PM
Positive karma for the attendence comparrison! I love our women in the WIAC. However, women will not have equality in Sports until all the fans care by showing up. Only Stout and EC have had great attendence at BB games in the womens Division. I was hoping that the Doubleheaders would increase attendence. When the women play at UWP, after the men, half or more of the crowd goes home! This is especially the case with the older fans in the padded seats,many of them in the mens Booster Club!I am 52 myself, so I am old too! I just wish they would give the women a chance! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 19, 2007, 11:15:21 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 19, 2007, 11:15:21 PM
Re: eating in Superior
If you're looking for fine dining: the Boathouse
Down and dirty big burgers and beer: the Anchor (DO NOT ask for a drink with an umbrella or a wine spritzer)
Pizza: VIP on Tower; or Thirsty Pagan, where you can wash the pizza down with a microbrew
Decent food at Barkers Island; organic-type at Braunvieh (I may have made that name up, but the place is on Tower, next to the library); Hammond Steak House; the Shack at the far end of Belknap. Used to have a good Cajun place, but it mysteriously shut down one night.
We have food. More variety in Duluth, but it's bigger. The Anchor really provides the most local color; the atmosphere is a little intimidating, but the food is memorable.
Anything to do?!!!! If you're spending the night, the big hawkey game of the season will be happening when St Norberts comes to play UWS. I understand St Scholastica beat St N tonight across the bridge (must have been a hell of a battle...), so the Norbies should be plenty irate tomorrow.
There's also the accordian museum...
If you're looking for fine dining: the Boathouse
Down and dirty big burgers and beer: the Anchor (DO NOT ask for a drink with an umbrella or a wine spritzer)
Pizza: VIP on Tower; or Thirsty Pagan, where you can wash the pizza down with a microbrew
Decent food at Barkers Island; organic-type at Braunvieh (I may have made that name up, but the place is on Tower, next to the library); Hammond Steak House; the Shack at the far end of Belknap. Used to have a good Cajun place, but it mysteriously shut down one night.
We have food. More variety in Duluth, but it's bigger. The Anchor really provides the most local color; the atmosphere is a little intimidating, but the food is memorable.
Anything to do?!!!! If you're spending the night, the big hawkey game of the season will be happening when St Norberts comes to play UWS. I understand St Scholastica beat St N tonight across the bridge (must have been a hell of a battle...), so the Norbies should be plenty irate tomorrow.
There's also the accordian museum...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 19, 2007, 11:40:33 PM
Post by: BDB on January 19, 2007, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 19, 2007, 09:49:11 PMI am 52 myself, so I am old too!God Bless!
Super, you know I like you, and I keep your karma down to, well, -20. But I am 51 please do not refer to us as old. Peace. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 03:34:37 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 03:34:37 AM
Re attendance:
Here's to put things in perspective regarding the terrific attendance at UWEC (634 per game) and Stout games (1,133 per game) this season -
Although the NCAA site doesn't have teams ranked on attendance this year, here are the top teams nationally in attendance for the past seven seasons listed on the site:
2005-2006
1) Hope 1,329
2) Stout 1,172
7) UWEC 838
2004-2005
1) Bowdoin 1,192
2) Stout 1,134
5) UWEC 881
2003-2004
1) UWEC 1,105
3) Stout 901
2002-2003
1) UWEC 1,294
4) Stout 881
2001-2002
1) Stout and Hardin-Simmons tied at 816
4) UWEC 658
2000-2001
1) UWEC 847
No other WIAC team in top 10
1999-2000
1) UWEC 1,196
No other WIAC team in top 10
These are national rankings! Here's hoping the 'Golds can boost those numbers up even more in their last three regular season home games...
Believe me, Coach Englund does a great job in asking for fan support and in encouraging the fans to come out for the games. She also makes it a point to recognize the great crowds at Zorn, and does a terrific job of thanking the fans for their support. The players do not take this lightly, and realize how special they have it in EC. They don't take it for granted...
Here's to put things in perspective regarding the terrific attendance at UWEC (634 per game) and Stout games (1,133 per game) this season -
Although the NCAA site doesn't have teams ranked on attendance this year, here are the top teams nationally in attendance for the past seven seasons listed on the site:
2005-2006
1) Hope 1,329
2) Stout 1,172
7) UWEC 838
2004-2005
1) Bowdoin 1,192
2) Stout 1,134
5) UWEC 881
2003-2004
1) UWEC 1,105
3) Stout 901
2002-2003
1) UWEC 1,294
4) Stout 881
2001-2002
1) Stout and Hardin-Simmons tied at 816
4) UWEC 658
2000-2001
1) UWEC 847
No other WIAC team in top 10
1999-2000
1) UWEC 1,196
No other WIAC team in top 10
These are national rankings! Here's hoping the 'Golds can boost those numbers up even more in their last three regular season home games...
Believe me, Coach Englund does a great job in asking for fan support and in encouraging the fans to come out for the games. She also makes it a point to recognize the great crowds at Zorn, and does a terrific job of thanking the fans for their support. The players do not take this lightly, and realize how special they have it in EC. They don't take it for granted...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:12:40 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:12:40 AM
In EC womens BB is #1, becauseof the legacy of Lisa Stone, followed by the present coach. Also, you have a large percentage of womens students. A winning combination. blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 02:59:32 PM
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 02:59:32 PM
EC women average 634 for home attendance
EC men average 424
EC men average 424
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 20, 2007, 08:00:32 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 20, 2007, 08:00:32 PM
Hope you Oshkosh guys got some good food in Souptown, because the game sukked. Sometimes I wasn't sure whose side Superior was on. I suspect our players had more assists on UWO points than UWO had on their own. Aaaarrrggghh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:09:15 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:09:15 PM
Typical UWStout victory in Johnson. Announcers said that UWP coach said it was a rebuilding year. i do not know, I think our first 6 can play with anyone. i feel we are underachieving. hail to the lady Devils. god Bless!. Close game for about 27 minutes. They wore the Pioneers down with their depth and defense. Liz Tesch played well against the bLUEDEVILS, AS SHE ALWAYS DOES! Lisa Grantman good all around game. Gurnsey Freshman point guard with 11 points , her first double digit of the year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 20, 2007, 09:13:18 PM
Sorry about the poor editing, my Goodbye ended up on top when i edited. This is why i had a seretary type my reports when i was a Social Worker. you guys are stuck with my typing !Blessings!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
EC with a big 2nd half surges past UWL by 15 or so. Both teams shoot pretty well in the 1st half and head into the lockerroom tied at 33. However, both teams quickly cool off in the first part of the second half. The difference is that EC caught fire in the last 10min of the game. I think they were leading 46-42 and ended up going on a 14-0 run to lead 60-42.
Ashley Anderson really picked up her game tonight. It is nice to get inside points and rebounding for a change. EC will need her to play like she did tonight for the rest of the season if they want to challenge for the conference title. Good all around effort for EC. Witt got her 4 or 5 steals again tonight and Heidi A really took charge down the stretch in the 2nd half after she struggled in the first half. No Fremstad for EC, who was dressed in street clothes. I caught some of the post game on the radio and it sounded like an illness?? I don't know what her status is for the huge Stout game on Wednesday.
Searing really stood out for UWL. Abby Johnson is back playing again.
Good crowd at Zorn!
Ashley Anderson really picked up her game tonight. It is nice to get inside points and rebounding for a change. EC will need her to play like she did tonight for the rest of the season if they want to challenge for the conference title. Good all around effort for EC. Witt got her 4 or 5 steals again tonight and Heidi A really took charge down the stretch in the 2nd half after she struggled in the first half. No Fremstad for EC, who was dressed in street clothes. I caught some of the post game on the radio and it sounded like an illness?? I don't know what her status is for the huge Stout game on Wednesday.
Searing really stood out for UWL. Abby Johnson is back playing again.
Good crowd at Zorn!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 09:34:32 PM
Post by: buf on January 20, 2007, 09:34:32 PM
UW-River Falls 68, UW-Stevens Point 44 at Point
What the ................! RF sweeps Point.
What the ................! RF sweeps Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 09:55:09 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 09:55:09 PM
Final UWEC 66 (12-6, 6-3), UWL 49 (11-7, 5-4)
With the win, and UWSP losing to River Falls, UWEC pulls into second all alone in the conference race... Headed to Stout on Wednesday; rumor has it that the Blugolds, who have had the road woes, will be wearing their home golds... ;) Stout's playing well, but the Blugolds have been playing much better, and smarter, than when they beat Stout the first time around...
Buf - Missy fell vicitim to my jinx; I gave her my player of the game award for Wednesday's game. ;) She had her left hand/thumb wrapped; not sure when it happened. Don't think it happened during that game, but maybe in practice thereafter? I was able to get back to my car to hear the tail end of the postgame wrap on the radio, and it sounded like she may be able to go vs. Stout...
As noted, by buf and the radio announcers, Ashley Anderson was the player of the game... Scored 10 points in the paint, played with a lot of confidence and wanted the ball inside. Her presence and play could be keys to how long the 'Golds extend their season after conference play concludes...
Heidi Arcisewski leads with 19. I don't know how she does it, but she quietly puts up the points; made 10-11 from the free throw line. But she and Michelle Burns, who added 14, are also able to muscle the ball up and in in traffic better than most of the players in this league... Rachel Mueggenborg had two big threes, too...
Kary Searing lead the Eagles with 17. 'Golds D, especially Burns, was able to limit Mackenzie Hunter to just 8, on 4-13 from the field. A local, she had a good fan club on hand in the UWL cheering section...
Tied at half at 33. Golds were able to shut down UWL to just 16 points in the second half - 9 from the field, on just four shots made, and seven from the stripe. That's impressive...
Good crowd again - 1,213, which will boost that season total up nearly 700 per game... Need to take them all to Stout on Wednesday! ;) And bring along the South middle school pep band, too, since they did a great job entertaining during the game...
With the win, and UWSP losing to River Falls, UWEC pulls into second all alone in the conference race... Headed to Stout on Wednesday; rumor has it that the Blugolds, who have had the road woes, will be wearing their home golds... ;) Stout's playing well, but the Blugolds have been playing much better, and smarter, than when they beat Stout the first time around...
Buf - Missy fell vicitim to my jinx; I gave her my player of the game award for Wednesday's game. ;) She had her left hand/thumb wrapped; not sure when it happened. Don't think it happened during that game, but maybe in practice thereafter? I was able to get back to my car to hear the tail end of the postgame wrap on the radio, and it sounded like she may be able to go vs. Stout...
As noted, by buf and the radio announcers, Ashley Anderson was the player of the game... Scored 10 points in the paint, played with a lot of confidence and wanted the ball inside. Her presence and play could be keys to how long the 'Golds extend their season after conference play concludes...
Heidi Arcisewski leads with 19. I don't know how she does it, but she quietly puts up the points; made 10-11 from the free throw line. But she and Michelle Burns, who added 14, are also able to muscle the ball up and in in traffic better than most of the players in this league... Rachel Mueggenborg had two big threes, too...
Kary Searing lead the Eagles with 17. 'Golds D, especially Burns, was able to limit Mackenzie Hunter to just 8, on 4-13 from the field. A local, she had a good fan club on hand in the UWL cheering section...
Tied at half at 33. Golds were able to shut down UWL to just 16 points in the second half - 9 from the field, on just four shots made, and seven from the stripe. That's impressive...
Good crowd again - 1,213, which will boost that season total up nearly 700 per game... Need to take them all to Stout on Wednesday! ;) And bring along the South middle school pep band, too, since they did a great job entertaining during the game...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 10:01:56 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2007, 10:01:56 PM
buf - you're always a step ahead of me on here.
I'm taking credit for the UWSP loss, by the way, as part of my continual jinxing I've been able to pull off here: As noted in my Jan. 18 post - Two of three teams can pull ahead in the logjam with wins on Saturday - if Point wins vs. River Falls, and the winner of the UWEC-UWL game. Warhawks will stay at 5-3, with a bye, if I've read the schedule correctly... Of course, that means all kinds of upsets and everything is going to go wacky on Saturday, and my best laid plans of mice and men will go astray, goofing up my nice little summary of things from Saturday. :)
Point has a great winning streak at home - in the 20s now for consecutive wins. Still have River Falls, Stout and Whitewater left this season...
I'm taking credit for the UWSP loss, by the way, as part of my continual jinxing I've been able to pull off here: As noted in my Jan. 18 post - Two of three teams can pull ahead in the logjam with wins on Saturday - if Point wins vs. River Falls, and the winner of the UWEC-UWL game. Warhawks will stay at 5-3, with a bye, if I've read the schedule correctly... Of course, that means all kinds of upsets and everything is going to go wacky on Saturday, and my best laid plans of mice and men will go astray, goofing up my nice little summary of things from Saturday. :)
Point has a great winning streak at home - in the 20s now for consecutive wins. Still have River Falls, Stout and Whitewater left this season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on January 21, 2007, 01:46:35 PM
Post by: mythicalbird on January 21, 2007, 01:46:35 PM
Missy has some messed up ligaments in her left thumb. Whether they are torn or not, I don't remember. She is hoping to play on Wednesday though......which hopefully she does as she can keep up with the run and gun.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2007, 04:49:10 PM
Post by: buf on January 21, 2007, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: mythicalbird on January 21, 2007, 01:46:35 PM
Missy has some messed up ligaments in her left thumb. Whether they are torn or not, I don't remember. She is hoping to play on Wednesday though......which hopefully she does as she can keep up with the run and gun.
Fremstad is really good at shreading the press. She is just like Becker was last year, able to bring the ball single handily down the court. While Witt is good, she hasn't really faced a "Stout" press before.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 21, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 21, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
We'll need everyone to step up on Wednesday against Stout. No fouls, good perimeter shooting, good post playing. Mugsy is the best 3 pt. shooter, so if she's open that ball better get passed to her. It was real obvious last night that certain players DO NOT pass to her. Not the first time that has happened either. Anybody else notice that?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 21, 2007, 10:47:12 PM
Post by: buf on January 21, 2007, 10:47:12 PM
Hopefully, Mugsy left off where she did last year at Johnson Fieldhouse. If I remember correctly, she shot the 3-ball very well that game.
I don't really notice other players not passing the ball to others, however I am usually just looking at the player with the ball. The only thing I sometimes notice is when the ball handler doesn't pass to open players down the court on fastbreaks. However, since EC does happen to make a lot of turnovers on forced passes, I can understand why they would not want to take the risk.
I don't really notice other players not passing the ball to others, however I am usually just looking at the player with the ball. The only thing I sometimes notice is when the ball handler doesn't pass to open players down the court on fastbreaks. However, since EC does happen to make a lot of turnovers on forced passes, I can understand why they would not want to take the risk.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 22, 2007, 08:52:42 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 22, 2007, 08:52:42 AM
Looking forward to a classic matchup on Wed. Two great teams, two great programs, two great coaches, and a great rivalry. I have the utmost respect for both of these teams. I think the biggest factor in this game is the "home game" thing this year. For whatever reason, it seems so important. Hope the posters give a good account of how the game goes as I won't be able to see it. We will be doing the Men's game. (Our station always does the away game on Wed.) Someone tell Michelle Burns that someone should be saying "BOOM! DYNAMITE" all night. She will know what I mean.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 22, 2007, 09:59:13 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 22, 2007, 09:59:13 AM
Too bad, you will be missing the better game. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:07:34 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:07:34 AM
Conference Seedings Update
Well...this is the first time cause I totally forgot about doing it on Wednesday.
1 Stout 8-1
8 Platteville 2-7
4 Stevens Point 5-4
5 La Crosse 5-4
3 Whitewater 5-3
6 River Falls 4-5
2 Eau Claire 6-3
7 Oshkosh 4-5
Big game at Kolf on Wednesday, with the Pointers traveling to Oshkosh. On paper, one would think that the "Teen" Titans wouldn't be able to play with the Pointers, but try telling that to Eau Claire and La Crosse (who won on a buzzer beater). Don't expect it to be easy Pointer fans.
Well...this is the first time cause I totally forgot about doing it on Wednesday.
1 Stout 8-1
8 Platteville 2-7
4 Stevens Point 5-4
5 La Crosse 5-4
3 Whitewater 5-3
6 River Falls 4-5
2 Eau Claire 6-3
7 Oshkosh 4-5
Big game at Kolf on Wednesday, with the Pointers traveling to Oshkosh. On paper, one would think that the "Teen" Titans wouldn't be able to play with the Pointers, but try telling that to Eau Claire and La Crosse (who won on a buzzer beater). Don't expect it to be easy Pointer fans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:12:14 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:12:14 AM
Of course, the Eau Claire and Stout game should be interesting, too!
Eau Claire just seemed out of it when they played in Oshkosh, and we all know they just simply cannot do it again when playing the Blue Devils.
I know they have a 2 game lead, but Stout really needs this one. A loss to the Blugolds means a season sweep for Eau Claire, which could mean in the end that the bid for the national tourney would go through Eau Claire, not Menominee.
Also, La Crosse and Whitewater is a big time game. A chance for the Eagles to bounce back, which they have to, and also another chance for Whitewater to prove that they are a contender.
Big time games this Wednesday.
Eau Claire just seemed out of it when they played in Oshkosh, and we all know they just simply cannot do it again when playing the Blue Devils.
I know they have a 2 game lead, but Stout really needs this one. A loss to the Blugolds means a season sweep for Eau Claire, which could mean in the end that the bid for the national tourney would go through Eau Claire, not Menominee.
Also, La Crosse and Whitewater is a big time game. A chance for the Eagles to bounce back, which they have to, and also another chance for Whitewater to prove that they are a contender.
Big time games this Wednesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 22, 2007, 01:19:34 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 22, 2007, 01:19:34 PM
Buf & Bulk- if you're going to the game Wed. night yell extra loud for me, okay?
Can't go, gotta work. :( Will have to try and listen while at work.
I'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!
Can't go, gotta work. :( Will have to try and listen while at work.
I'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 22, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 22, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
I had the pleasure of sitting through the RF/UWSP game on SAturday......the only pleasure being that the buzzer sounded before RF could push it above 30....props to RF they made it look easy....it is very disappointing to see a UWSP team play the way they did....usually they play with a lot of intensity...Saturday they looked like deer in headlights
Oshkosh has been a home away from home for Point the past few years.....i hope to see a confidence boost in this game!
it looks like Wednesday will be a big day for Bluegolds and Bluedevils....i must say i am rooting for EC on this one!!
good luck to everyone this week! I unfortunately won't see any WIAC games for a while now so keep me updated!
Oshkosh has been a home away from home for Point the past few years.....i hope to see a confidence boost in this game!
it looks like Wednesday will be a big day for Bluegolds and Bluedevils....i must say i am rooting for EC on this one!!
good luck to everyone this week! I unfortunately won't see any WIAC games for a while now so keep me updated!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on January 22, 2007, 11:12:14 AMI know they have a 2 game lead, but Stout really needs this one. A loss to the Blugolds means a season sweep for Eau Claire, which could mean in the end that the bid for the national tourney would go through Eau Claire, not Menominee.
Absolutely this is a big game. Of course, the I94 rivalry is part of that too.
A win makes a statement to the rest of the teams in the WIAC that the Blue Devils are the team to beat. A win essentially puts them three or more games up on everyone but Whitewater (assuming a WW victory on Wednesday - which is not a given).
There is only one sure way to get a bid to the NCAA Tourney, and that is to win the WIAC Tourney.
Sweep or no sweep - putting three games together in the WIAC Tourney is key! Playing all three of those games on your own floor is a huge advantage.
Which is what makes the EC/Stout matchup on Wednesday so important - it's another step towards earning home court advantage for the WIAC Tourney.
Lot's of key games this week:
Wednesday
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Stout Menomonie
UW-La Crosse @ UW-Whitewater
UW-River Falls @ UW-Superior
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Oshkosh
Saturday
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Platteville
UW-River Falls @ UW-Oshkosh
UW-Superior @ UW-La Crosse
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Stout
Depending on who wins/who loses, the conference seedings could look different at this time next week!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:54:15 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 22, 2007, 01:19:34 PMI'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!
Well, we pulled a fast one and replaced the floor, just to unfamiliarize the Lady Blugolds... ;)
Seriously, we did replace the floor - I think it was two years ago - but I don't think confusing the Blugolds had anything to do with the decision.
I too would like to see a good game - and a home team win!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 23, 2007, 01:26:23 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 23, 2007, 01:26:23 PM
Waaaaaay many years ago, the Stout-UWEC men's rivalry was huge. I took a student bus to Stout to watch one of the games but for some reason didn't have a ticket to get in. The place was so packed, I was not allowed in. When Stout came to UWEC, I sat on that ramp thing, where radio broadcasters sit, because I knew the president of E Club. Zorn was always packed so tight, you couldn't even sweat.
I often wonder what would have happened had there been a fire. Had it occurred during a game, I doubt anyone would have left. Nice to see that women's games are having the same kind of draw.
I often wonder what would have happened had there been a fire. Had it occurred during a game, I doubt anyone would have left. Nice to see that women's games are having the same kind of draw.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 23, 2007, 01:37:07 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 23, 2007, 01:37:07 PM
Oh, so true, FL. That men's rivalry was classic for many years. I may have mentioned this before on here, but I asked the current Stout men's team about their favorite rivalry games and not one of them mentioned EC. For old folks like ourselves, isn't that sad? Sorry, I realize this is women's board, but I think FL's last post threw me for a nostalgic loop. Knock it off FL. The women's game will have that kind of intensity Wed. at Johnson, I think. "The times, they are a changin"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2007, 05:54:06 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2007, 05:54:06 PM
FL and SG
It wasn't that long ago that going to the women's Stout/EC game at Zorn, we purchased our tickets to the EC/Stout Women's game in advance and showed up at least an hour before tipoff to:
1. Insure we had a ticket
2. Insure we had a seat
When Bulk19 posted his DIII attendance figures a few days ago, it reminded me of that...
I know that in the 2002 - 2003 season (UWEC's record attendance year - 1294 average), the "official" attendance at Zorn for the Stout/EC matchup was 2500. According to the UWEC website - official capacity of Zorn is only 2450!!!! :o :o :o
This year attendance was down to 1163 (less than half) for these same two I94 rivals.
Last year we put 2076 fans in the seats at Johnson Fieldhouse for this matchup - I'd like to see a lot more than that tomorrow night!!! ;D
But more importantly, I want a "W" for the home team!!! 8) ;D 8)
It wasn't that long ago that going to the women's Stout/EC game at Zorn, we purchased our tickets to the EC/Stout Women's game in advance and showed up at least an hour before tipoff to:
1. Insure we had a ticket
2. Insure we had a seat
When Bulk19 posted his DIII attendance figures a few days ago, it reminded me of that...
I know that in the 2002 - 2003 season (UWEC's record attendance year - 1294 average), the "official" attendance at Zorn for the Stout/EC matchup was 2500. According to the UWEC website - official capacity of Zorn is only 2450!!!! :o :o :o
This year attendance was down to 1163 (less than half) for these same two I94 rivals.
Last year we put 2076 fans in the seats at Johnson Fieldhouse for this matchup - I'd like to see a lot more than that tomorrow night!!! ;D
But more importantly, I want a "W" for the home team!!! 8) ;D 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 23, 2007, 05:59:35 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 23, 2007, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 22, 2007, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: hoops49 on January 22, 2007, 01:19:34 PMI'm thinking some of our girls played AAU ball at Menomonie, so they should be used to that floor. Let's hope they get refamiliarized and shoot the lights out. I just hope it's a good game, no blow outs. Go lady Blugolds!
Well, we pulled a fast one and replaced the floor, just to unfamiliarize the Lady Blugolds... ;)
Seriously, we did replace the floor - I think it was two years ago - but I don't think confusing the Blugolds had anything to do with the decision.
I too would like to see a good game - and a home team win!!! ;D ;D ;D
Shame on you....hey, I heard the game was moved to Eau Claire....:)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2007, 06:02:44 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2007, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 23, 2007, 05:59:35 PMShame on you....hey, I heard the game was moved to Eau Claire....:)
Don't you wish... :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 23, 2007, 07:37:32 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 23, 2007, 07:37:32 PM
I'll be listening; I get all goose-bumpy during those games when the crowd is so loud, the radio broadcasters have to 'heighten' their voices to be heard over the noise. Not a shout, more of a straining of the natural voice.
Most likely will have to plug in at Gates while I'm watching UWS try to make lemonade...
So, I'll be a UWEC alum backing my daughter's former team. Think of the inve$tment represented by that statement.
Most likely will have to plug in at Gates while I'm watching UWS try to make lemonade...
So, I'll be a UWEC alum backing my daughter's former team. Think of the inve$tment represented by that statement.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 24, 2007, 12:19:15 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 24, 2007, 12:19:15 AM
As I Blugold fan, I keep telling myself it's going to be OK to lose to Stout tomorrow, because it is hard for a team to beat another team three times in a season, should the 'Golds win again, and then have to face the Blue Devils sometime in the WIAC tournament.
But then I tell myself, whoa, the WIAC season still has six-seven games left for most teams. A lot can happen between now and the end of the season, and the conference standings and seedings will undoubtedly be different between now and then. Plus, these two teams might not even end up facing each other in the playoffs... And all that thought goes out the window... You just plain simply can't look that far ahead...
So I remind myself, as one who plays a coach on this site, but isn't actually one ;), that it's one game at a time, and don't even think about the tournament. Play hard and execute tomorrow, hopefully win, then get ready for Platteville...
But I think a win tomorrow would have a bigger impact for the 'Golds than a loss would have on Stout, which has a veteran team looking to make a run like it did last year. It won't be a devastating loss for Stout, and might just serve as a wakeup call for Stout, and p-o them to take it up another notch down the stretch. And then it's look out for that team...
It's not a make-or-break game by any means, but it's almost like a playoff game for the 'Golds, and will really give them a boost in confidence, if they can win, on the road in front of a big crowd. I'm excited to see how the Lady Blugolds respond to playing one of the top team's in the country tomorrow...
But then I tell myself, whoa, the WIAC season still has six-seven games left for most teams. A lot can happen between now and the end of the season, and the conference standings and seedings will undoubtedly be different between now and then. Plus, these two teams might not even end up facing each other in the playoffs... And all that thought goes out the window... You just plain simply can't look that far ahead...
So I remind myself, as one who plays a coach on this site, but isn't actually one ;), that it's one game at a time, and don't even think about the tournament. Play hard and execute tomorrow, hopefully win, then get ready for Platteville...
But I think a win tomorrow would have a bigger impact for the 'Golds than a loss would have on Stout, which has a veteran team looking to make a run like it did last year. It won't be a devastating loss for Stout, and might just serve as a wakeup call for Stout, and p-o them to take it up another notch down the stretch. And then it's look out for that team...
It's not a make-or-break game by any means, but it's almost like a playoff game for the 'Golds, and will really give them a boost in confidence, if they can win, on the road in front of a big crowd. I'm excited to see how the Lady Blugolds respond to playing one of the top team's in the country tomorrow...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2007, 08:23:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2007, 08:23:45 AM
Bulk
I agree with your perspective that this is a very important game for your Blugold's tonight.
But I disagree about the importance of this game for Stout. The Lady Devils and Coach T were not happy about losing the WIAC conference opener at Zorn Arena. Actually, that is to mildly put - to use your terms - they were po'd about losing.
This game means a lot to Stout. It's their home floor, and they want to win - period.
I agree with the one game at a time aspect. But every win makes for better seeding in the DIII Tourney, should a team be fortunate enough to earn the right to participate.
FL
Mrs. Champ will be listening from Washington D.C. - on the road again - I'm sure you understand... ;) I missed the Platteville game as Mrs. C's company flew me out for the weekend - but we went to dinner late so that we could watch the video feed!
Are we hooked on Stout Women's BB or what??? ;D 8) ;D
Hoping for another "W"!!!
I agree with your perspective that this is a very important game for your Blugold's tonight.
But I disagree about the importance of this game for Stout. The Lady Devils and Coach T were not happy about losing the WIAC conference opener at Zorn Arena. Actually, that is to mildly put - to use your terms - they were po'd about losing.
This game means a lot to Stout. It's their home floor, and they want to win - period.
I agree with the one game at a time aspect. But every win makes for better seeding in the DIII Tourney, should a team be fortunate enough to earn the right to participate.
FL
Mrs. Champ will be listening from Washington D.C. - on the road again - I'm sure you understand... ;) I missed the Platteville game as Mrs. C's company flew me out for the weekend - but we went to dinner late so that we could watch the video feed!
Are we hooked on Stout Women's BB or what??? ;D 8) ;D
Hoping for another "W"!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 12:06:33 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 12:06:33 PM
...8 hours 'til tip-off
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 24, 2007, 04:43:43 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 24, 2007, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 12:06:33 PM
...8 hours 'til tip-off
Rico. BDB just told me you are going to save him a seat. Why don't you stop at Mardi Gras after your game. I will be getting into town about 10 and an old Stout football coach (but not very old) is going to meet me there for a beer. I also just talked to "T" and he said he would stop also and we could compare notes on the games. Tell your buddy BDB to stop for one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 05:45:29 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on January 24, 2007, 05:45:29 PM
I'll let BDB know, not sure if I'll be able to stop tonight or not. Thanks for the invite!
You're buying I assume...???
You're buying I assume...???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on January 24, 2007, 08:31:44 PM
Post by: BuckyC on January 24, 2007, 08:31:44 PM
well who's winning between Stout and EC tonight??? I can't find a score anywhere. I assume Stout is winning because EC hasn't won a road game in years!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 24, 2007, 09:14:23 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 24, 2007, 09:14:23 PM
second half just starting; Stout up by 9 or 11. I thought it was ten, but the radio score wasn't a ten point difference. I'm listening to the feed through UWEC site.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 24, 2007, 09:15:16 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 24, 2007, 09:15:16 PM
35-22, Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.
UPDATE: Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25. SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6. In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt. The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left. Point secures the rebound to win the game.
Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!
UPDATE: Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25. SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6. In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt. The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left. Point secures the rebound to win the game.
Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2007, 10:43:18 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2007, 10:43:18 PM
Surprisingly easy win for the WARHAWKS over LaCrosse 75-60. Behind some solid shooting, including 4 of 6 three-pointers, WW opened up a 16 point lead by half time 38-22. LaCrosse was cold from the floor and their guards had problems with the pressure WW applied defensively. WW scored first in the second half and built the lead to as many as 21 points a couple of times. LaCrosse shot pretty well in the second half and did cut it to 11 once but the WARHAWKS responded with a run to push it back to 17 points and were never threatened after that. Trisha Thill played very well leading WW with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 5 steals. Heidi Sontag added 10 points and Lindsey Buechner finished with 9 points and 7 rebounds.
Abby Johnson, Katy Searing and MacKenzie Hunter had 15, 13 and 10 points respectively to lead LaCrosse.
WW's deeper rotation and pressure defense were factors tonight. WW goes to 13-5, 6-3 and holds onto second place.
Abby Johnson, Katy Searing and MacKenzie Hunter had 15, 13 and 10 points respectively to lead LaCrosse.
WW's deeper rotation and pressure defense were factors tonight. WW goes to 13-5, 6-3 and holds onto second place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 24, 2007, 11:47:13 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 24, 2007, 11:47:13 PM
Final: Stout 65 (16-3, 9-1) UWEC 52 (12-7, 6-4)
Don't need to look at the stats on this one, since they won't show the Blugolds' D anywhere. I think they left it in EC; haven't seen so many uncontested bunnies allowed. This is not the Blugold D that has been prevalent for the last few games...
On the offensive end, I'm not sure what they were trying to do? They had several chances to push the ball, but pulled up. Then, when they did set things up, they got several shots inside, but didn't drop them. Very very sloppy, too, with 23 turnovers.
Not a heads-up, smartly played game by UWEC. Not going to single anyone out for a noteworthy performance tonight, since they lost this one as a team on the defensive end...
Kelsey Duoss leads Stout with 16 and nine boards. Dani Boese pulls down 8, and Julia Hirrssig scored 13...
Stout goes on an 11-2 run to take a 34-22 lead at the half... Closest the 'Golds got in the second half was six, at 43-37, at the 11:41 mark... Just couldn't get over the hump thereafter...
Don't need to look at the stats on this one, since they won't show the Blugolds' D anywhere. I think they left it in EC; haven't seen so many uncontested bunnies allowed. This is not the Blugold D that has been prevalent for the last few games...
On the offensive end, I'm not sure what they were trying to do? They had several chances to push the ball, but pulled up. Then, when they did set things up, they got several shots inside, but didn't drop them. Very very sloppy, too, with 23 turnovers.
Not a heads-up, smartly played game by UWEC. Not going to single anyone out for a noteworthy performance tonight, since they lost this one as a team on the defensive end...
Kelsey Duoss leads Stout with 16 and nine boards. Dani Boese pulls down 8, and Julia Hirrssig scored 13...
Stout goes on an 11-2 run to take a 34-22 lead at the half... Closest the 'Golds got in the second half was six, at 43-37, at the 11:41 mark... Just couldn't get over the hump thereafter...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 24, 2007, 11:53:31 PM
Post by: buf on January 24, 2007, 11:53:31 PM
-bulk
Amen on the defense. That was the worst defense I have seen out of a Blugold team in years. Stout players constantly were driving past their defenders and when that happened there was no help defense. EC played decent for the first 10min of each half, but Stout destroyed them in the latter 10min.
Amen on the defense. That was the worst defense I have seen out of a Blugold team in years. Stout players constantly were driving past their defenders and when that happened there was no help defense. EC played decent for the first 10min of each half, but Stout destroyed them in the latter 10min.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 09:20:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 09:20:38 AM
buf and bulk
What do you mean no EC defense...
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That's an excellent hold Brittani Hakanson has on Dani Boese in this shot. I'm surprised that Dani still has a jersey on... :o
That's hardly an uncontested "bunny" being made by Char Edwards there!
The key to the game was when Stout went on an 11-2 run to close out the first half. Jenny McDermid scored five points in the run and Julia Hirssig added four points as we took a 12 point lead into the locker room. That threw the UWEC game plan out the window, and the Blugolds were never able to make a strong enough run to get closer than 6 in the second half.
Great crowd of over 2,000 people last night. First WIAC team to break the 2,000 mark all season! ;D
What do you mean no EC defense...
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That's an excellent hold Brittani Hakanson has on Dani Boese in this shot. I'm surprised that Dani still has a jersey on... :o
That's hardly an uncontested "bunny" being made by Char Edwards there!
The key to the game was when Stout went on an 11-2 run to close out the first half. Jenny McDermid scored five points in the run and Julia Hirssig added four points as we took a 12 point lead into the locker room. That threw the UWEC game plan out the window, and the Blugolds were never able to make a strong enough run to get closer than 6 in the second half.
Great crowd of over 2,000 people last night. First WIAC team to break the 2,000 mark all season! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 09:40:42 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 09:40:42 AM
Okay, I wasn't at the game...just watching the live stats and listening.
Here's the thing. I don't know if I would be too hard on EC's defense. Stout and EC always play an aggresive game. Fouls are called left and right. Look at all the fouls our girls had. If we had closed in on them any tighter, we wouldn't have had any girls out there playing. They would all be on the bench with 5 fouls.
The problem was lack of offense. Our shots just didn't go down for some of our other players. Too bad, but that's basketball. You can't have a perfect game all the time. Just doesn't work that way. S@#t happens.
Just hope Englund sticks by her players...even during the losses!!!!!
Here's the thing. I don't know if I would be too hard on EC's defense. Stout and EC always play an aggresive game. Fouls are called left and right. Look at all the fouls our girls had. If we had closed in on them any tighter, we wouldn't have had any girls out there playing. They would all be on the bench with 5 fouls.
The problem was lack of offense. Our shots just didn't go down for some of our other players. Too bad, but that's basketball. You can't have a perfect game all the time. Just doesn't work that way. S@#t happens.
Just hope Englund sticks by her players...even during the losses!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 09:44:59 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 09:44:59 AM
From the Great-Not-Quite-White North:
UW-Superior rolled over and played dead in the first half, seemingly trying to lose by a wider margin than the at-River Falls game. Second half, Superior came out like gangbusters and made a game of it. Of course, by then they were still trying to overcome a near-30-point deficit and simply couldn't do it. Didn't have any defense for Reiman when Lindman(?) was in. Or Lindman when Reiman was in--what I'm saying is, Soup could mount at least a token defense against one, not both.
Breeana Herzog played the best game I've seen from her. She was like the spark of the night for UWS. Once she put some fight into the game, the rest of the team came around. I believe that they came within nine in the final three minutes of the game and then started fouling and forcing passes and shots. That pretty much doomed Superior. For about 17 minutes in the second half, though, it was a great game.
So, what IS the rule about calling a time-out when the ball is in the hands of the shooter during a free throw? I know players can't move; can an opposing coach call a time out as the shooter is about to shoot?
UW-Superior rolled over and played dead in the first half, seemingly trying to lose by a wider margin than the at-River Falls game. Second half, Superior came out like gangbusters and made a game of it. Of course, by then they were still trying to overcome a near-30-point deficit and simply couldn't do it. Didn't have any defense for Reiman when Lindman(?) was in. Or Lindman when Reiman was in--what I'm saying is, Soup could mount at least a token defense against one, not both.
Breeana Herzog played the best game I've seen from her. She was like the spark of the night for UWS. Once she put some fight into the game, the rest of the team came around. I believe that they came within nine in the final three minutes of the game and then started fouling and forcing passes and shots. That pretty much doomed Superior. For about 17 minutes in the second half, though, it was a great game.
So, what IS the rule about calling a time-out when the ball is in the hands of the shooter during a free throw? I know players can't move; can an opposing coach call a time out as the shooter is about to shoot?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:00:42 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 09:44:59 AM
So, what IS the rule about calling a time-out when the ball is in the hands of the shooter during a free throw? I know players can't move; can an opposing coach call a time out as the shooter is about to shoot?
No, a timeout should not be permitted once the referee has delivered the ball to the shooter. Anytime prior to that is fair game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2007, 10:03:35 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2007, 10:03:35 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 24, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.
UPDATE: Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25. SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6. In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt. The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left. Point secures the rebound to win the game.
Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!
Not the fault of the score table at UWO, the official just gave the ball to the FT shooter before the second horn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 25, 2007, 10:07:53 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 25, 2007, 10:07:53 AM
Nice summaries of EC and Stout. Great to see ahuge crowd for womens BB! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 10:09:33 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 10:09:33 AM
hoops
You're right about the intensity/aggressiveness of the game - which is usually the case when these two teams meet.
As to the offense - Heather Witt's three pointers were a thing of beauty! Ashley Anderson's presence under the basket was huge. And Heidi Arciszewski kept throwing the ball up there - and enough of them went in for her team leading 14 points
Michelle Burns looked tired to me last night. Midway through the first half she really seemed to be "huffing".
Stout was led by Kelsey Duoss with 16 and Julia Hirssig came off the bench to add 13 points - joining Duoss in double figures.
Neither team shot real well - 34.5% for UWEC and 39.2% for Stout. Both teams threw up some REAL ugly shots at times - totally missing the basket - and sometimes not even coming close to the backboard or the basket.
Big difference was at the FT line - with Stout having a 12 point advantage.
You're right about the intensity/aggressiveness of the game - which is usually the case when these two teams meet.
As to the offense - Heather Witt's three pointers were a thing of beauty! Ashley Anderson's presence under the basket was huge. And Heidi Arciszewski kept throwing the ball up there - and enough of them went in for her team leading 14 points
Michelle Burns looked tired to me last night. Midway through the first half she really seemed to be "huffing".
Stout was led by Kelsey Duoss with 16 and Julia Hirssig came off the bench to add 13 points - joining Duoss in double figures.
Neither team shot real well - 34.5% for UWEC and 39.2% for Stout. Both teams threw up some REAL ugly shots at times - totally missing the basket - and sometimes not even coming close to the backboard or the basket.
Big difference was at the FT line - with Stout having a 12 point advantage.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:09:59 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: voft on January 25, 2007, 10:03:35 AMTrue, that's a referee's error, but a sharp scoreboard operator would omit that last horn if they see that the ball has been put into play (erroneously or not). I've had to do that myself.Quote from: Just Bill on January 24, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.
UPDATE: Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25. SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6. In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt. The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left. Point secures the rebound to win the game.
Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!
Not the fault of the score table at UWO, the official just gave the ball to the FT shooter before the second horn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2007, 11:08:53 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2007, 11:08:53 AM
CONFERENCE SEEDINGS UPDATE
1 STOUT 9-1
8 PLATTEVILLE 2-7
4 EAU CLAIRE 6-4
5 LA CROSSE 5-5
3 STEVENS POINT 6-4
6 RIVER FALLS 5-5
2 WHITEWATER 6-3
7 OSHKOSH 4-6
1 STOUT 9-1
8 PLATTEVILLE 2-7
4 EAU CLAIRE 6-4
5 LA CROSSE 5-5
3 STEVENS POINT 6-4
6 RIVER FALLS 5-5
2 WHITEWATER 6-3
7 OSHKOSH 4-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 11:20:47 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 11:20:47 AM
Sounds like referees all over the conference were not having peak performances last night. Probably not determining outcomes but creating some hostility/confusion on the court, nonetheless.
Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.
Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 25, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 25, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 11:20:47 AM
Sounds like referees all over the conference were not having peak performances last night. Probably not determining outcomes but creating some hostility/confusion on the court, nonetheless.
Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.
I'm not so sure I'd count on that "blood/turnip" thing if I were you. Maybe look into that Statute of Limitations thing. If he were a judge you could blame the call on "blind justice" but with an attorney, I just don't know. Careful with that Minocqua bashing, though. My wife is proud graduate of Lakeland High School. (that just means I got to ride on snowmobiles quite a bit when we visited the folks)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 12:55:44 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 10:09:33 AM
hoops
You're right about the intensity/aggressiveness of the game - which is usually the case when these two teams meet.
As to the offense - Heather Witt's three pointers were a thing of beauty! Ashley Anderson's presence under the basket was huge. And Heidi Arciszewski kept throwing the ball up there - and enough of them went in for her team leading 14 points
Michelle Burns looked tired to me last night. Midway through the first half she really seemed to be "huffing".
Stout was led by Kelsey Duoss with 16 and Julia Hirssig came off the bench to add 13 points - joining Duoss in double figures.
Neither team shot real well - 34.5% for UWEC and 39.2% for Stout. Both teams threw up some REAL ugly shots at times - totally missing the basket - and sometimes not even coming close to the backboard or the basket.
Big difference was at the FT line - with Stout having a 12 point advantage.
Yup, I agree with all of what you say.
We just needed about 3 more of our usually productive players to hit those shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 25, 2007, 01:00:51 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 25, 2007, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 25, 2007, 09:20:38 AM
buf and bulk
What do you mean no EC defense...
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That's an excellent hold Brittani Hakanson has on Dani Boese in this shot. I'm surprised that Dani still has a jersey on... :o
That's hardly an uncontested "bunny" being made by Char Edwards there!
The key to the game was when Stout went on an 11-2 run to close out the first half. Jenny McDermid scored five points in the run and Julia Hirssig added four points as we took a 12 point lead into the locker room. That threw the UWEC game plan out the window, and the Blugolds were never able to make a strong enough run to get closer than 6 in the second half.
Great crowd of over 2,000 people last night. First WIAC team to break the 2,000 mark all season! ;D
I find it funny that any Stout fan would be displaying pics of holding jerseys and what not considering that any coach in the WIAC that I talk to prepares for Stout in the practices before by have players hold jerseys and play as physical as possible.
Sounds like WW is the big surprise this year....too bad EC didn't make a better showing to make things a little more interesting in the standings.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 01:02:50 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 01:02:50 PM
Stoutguy--
No scheit! When did she graduate? I graduated from LUHS--not many people believe there were high schools when I graduated, but by gosh, there were. Where is she from? Is she a Minocqua-ite? I, myself, am from one of the poorer feeder communities.
What a hugely small world!
No scheit! When did she graduate? I graduated from LUHS--not many people believe there were high schools when I graduated, but by gosh, there were. Where is she from? Is she a Minocqua-ite? I, myself, am from one of the poorer feeder communities.
What a hugely small world!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 01:11:02 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 25, 2007, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 11:20:47 AM
Sounds like referees all over the conference were not having peak performances last night. Probably not determining outcomes but creating some hostility/confusion on the court, nonetheless.
Our ref-who-blew-the-call is a Minocqua attorney (a unique brand of legal professional). Several years ago, my daughter caught his daughter in the nose with an elbow while rebounding in a practice. Boy, did she bleed! I don't know for sure the nose got broken, but it seems likely. We never really discussed it. I suspect he'd never sue (I'm sure he'd never even have considered it ): it would be one of those blood/turnip situations.
I really think we have a problem with the reffing at the college level in this conference. Not sure what's up, but you can't go to a game and see good reffing anymore. It's really a problem. It almost seems like they just are out there to earn their money. I'm not saying it's all refs, but quite a few.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
QuoteI find it funny that any Stout fan would be displaying pics of holding jerseys and what not considering that any coach in the WIAC that I talk to prepares for Stout in the practices before by have players hold jerseys and play as physical as possible
Are you sure you said what you thought you said? If you did say what you thought you said, then it's not surprising opposing players are holding jerseys, since that's what they've been practicing. Doesn't seem legal, somehow, but if that's the only way you can stop them, I guess it's a strategy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2007, 02:31:11 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2007, 02:31:11 PM
I don't know that Stout fouls any more than any other team in the league or that they get away with any more fouls than any other team either. But I think you misunderstand what Crazy is saying, FL. They aren't practicing holding because that's the only way they can stop Stout defensively. They're practicing it because it's the only way they can prepare for the holding that is going to happen to them, not by them.
I tend to agree with the comments regarding the quality of officiating this year. I'd quit selling insurance if someone would give me a nickle for every travel that goes uncalled and the women's game continues to get more and more physical. I used to feel that things would be better if the officials allowed the women to play as physically as the men do. But now I'm thinking, "be careful what you wish for, it might come true."
Again, I stress, none of these comments are intended to single out Stout's style. It's a league wide issue imo.
I tend to agree with the comments regarding the quality of officiating this year. I'd quit selling insurance if someone would give me a nickle for every travel that goes uncalled and the women's game continues to get more and more physical. I used to feel that things would be better if the officials allowed the women to play as physically as the men do. But now I'm thinking, "be careful what you wish for, it might come true."
Again, I stress, none of these comments are intended to single out Stout's style. It's a league wide issue imo.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 02:57:45 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 02:57:45 PM
I KNOW what he meant to say, but it's not what he said. I know he was implying that Stout women play some dirty form of basketball and other teams have to 'practice' that in order to compete against them. To that I say 'phooey.' I asked my daughter point blank if her team was coached to do all or any of the things they've been accused of, and she said 'no.' Were they coached to play an aggressive, fast game? Yes, they were/probably are. Were they coached to cheat? No.
So, my question AGAIN is why do people not accept in a women's game what they will in a men's game? Women too delicate to get bumped? Do we still believe that if women particpate in sports that make them jump, fall down, bounce, or tumble their internal organs will get messed up? Do we still buy the "women don't sweat, they glow" thing?
I was at a soccer game where a player was called for a foul, and an older man in the crowd said (and I am quoting directly), "My granddaughter would never foul." Horse-apples. It's perception. You can't tell me that the WIAC teams are either nice or naughty, Stout being the consummate naughty and everyone else the nice. Making Stout out to be a bunch of thugs is neither productive nor realistic. If it makes you feel better to believe the winning team is cheating or playing dirty, so be it, but that doesn't make it so.
Nothing like a good spout-off to clear one's spleen.
So, my question AGAIN is why do people not accept in a women's game what they will in a men's game? Women too delicate to get bumped? Do we still believe that if women particpate in sports that make them jump, fall down, bounce, or tumble their internal organs will get messed up? Do we still buy the "women don't sweat, they glow" thing?
I was at a soccer game where a player was called for a foul, and an older man in the crowd said (and I am quoting directly), "My granddaughter would never foul." Horse-apples. It's perception. You can't tell me that the WIAC teams are either nice or naughty, Stout being the consummate naughty and everyone else the nice. Making Stout out to be a bunch of thugs is neither productive nor realistic. If it makes you feel better to believe the winning team is cheating or playing dirty, so be it, but that doesn't make it so.
Nothing like a good spout-off to clear one's spleen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2007, 04:25:25 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2007, 04:25:25 PM
Just to clarify...I didn't refer to it as a "dirty form of basketball," that anyone was "coached to cheat," or that Stout is a "bunch of thugs." They are physical and play more aggressively than some other teams do. That's their style and, as their record clearly indicates, it works for them.
I can't recall the last time I left the gym feeling we had lost because the other team cheated or played dirty. It certainly wasn't my feeling when Stout outplayed us over the final three minutes and took one in our gym. Even though a critical traveling call, which many of our people obviously felt was a blocking foul on Duoss (her 5th), went against us and was the rallying point for Stout. We lost that game because we fell apart after the call and only played 37 minutes of basketball while Stout played the full 40. A lesson learned.
I can't recall the last time I left the gym feeling we had lost because the other team cheated or played dirty. It certainly wasn't my feeling when Stout outplayed us over the final three minutes and took one in our gym. Even though a critical traveling call, which many of our people obviously felt was a blocking foul on Duoss (her 5th), went against us and was the rallying point for Stout. We lost that game because we fell apart after the call and only played 37 minutes of basketball while Stout played the full 40. A lesson learned.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 04:56:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 04:56:49 PM
I apologize for over-reacting. Of course I get defensive; it's what I do best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 25, 2007, 05:09:16 PM
Post by: jdoug2 on January 25, 2007, 05:09:16 PM
First, I hope it's ok if I post over here. My niece plays for Fonbonne. Second, I can relate to how women's ball is changing. My niece played for a very good private school down here in Texas and they were very agressive on both ends of the floor. There were many teams, coaches, parents, that thought they were too rough. What it generally came down to was, how is the game being called. If the refs had a quick whistle they toned it down. If both teams were willing to go at it, then the refs generally let them go. And since I live in Texas I don't get to see too many of her games at Fontbonne. The ones I have seen it appears as though it's the same. The refs have the ability to control how the game will be played. Even if one of the teams is very agressive the refs can dial it back. Maybe the leagues want more physical play and have informed the refs throughout. Just a thought. And thanks for letting me ramble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 05:24:56 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 25, 2007, 05:24:56 PM
Who doesn't love a Rambler?
I think it's true in any sport: the refs, umps, officials of any stripe, can control the play. sometimes they over-control, sometimes under, sometimes just right. It's the people in the stands that usually have a problem with how the game is played, even when the players on the floor don't.
I think it's true in any sport: the refs, umps, officials of any stripe, can control the play. sometimes they over-control, sometimes under, sometimes just right. It's the people in the stands that usually have a problem with how the game is played, even when the players on the floor don't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2007, 09:49:58 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 25, 2007, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 25, 2007, 10:09:59 AMQuote from: voft on January 25, 2007, 10:03:35 AMTrue, that's a referee's error, but a sharp scoreboard operator would omit that last horn if they see that the ball has been put into play (erroneously or not). I've had to do that myself.Quote from: Just Bill on January 24, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Point leads Oshkosh 46-45 with 1:02 to play.
UPDATE: Kranz misses the front end of the bonus for SP with :25. SP's Webber steals the ball from Knapp on the other end, which leads to two free throws for Houghton with :09.6. In the middle of Houghton's first free throw the horn blasts, and she misses the attempt. The refs let play continue, Oshkosh rebounds, rushes down the floor but Knapp misses with a two seconds left. Point secures the rebound to win the game.
Point scored their last points of the game at the 6:13 mark!
Not the fault of the score table at UWO, the official just gave the ball to the FT shooter before the second horn.
I'm sure he was just doing his job and watching the time tick off for the second horn. But it was the ref's lack of communication with each other. But it was like that the whole game. Heck, a few times they EACH could have counted to three and then drew straws to see who would make the 3-second call. But that didn't happen, either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 12:29:38 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 12:29:38 AM
Champ -
A bunny, in my book, and hoops lingo, is an open, uncontested shot, usually a layup or a dunk. The photo you provided isn't an example of the several bunnies the 'Golds defense allowed, so it doesn't exactly refute my statement that Stout had way too many uncontested bunnies last night...
One could probably make a case that there are fouls and jersey holdings on every single play. I'm sure you can find lots of pictures from last night's game of this happening, on both ends, and in any other game. But go back and look at the tape of the game from last night, and you'll see examples of the porpous D the 'Golds played...
You can't always control how well you shoot, or the percentage you hit from the field. You're going to have a bad night shooting wise once in a while. But what do you do to compensate on those nights? PLAY D!
Defense is an attitude and mentality, and wins championships. And that is one thing you, as a player can control - how well you play D, and how much intensity and heart you bring to it. It's something the 'Golds have done very well as a team as of late, and have fed off that and turned it into offense on the other end. But way too many lapses last night...
Stout deserves credit, but some of the success last night wasn't a case of terrific play calling or fast breaks or picks that freed up the lane, or Blugold players being out of position. It was just poor, porous D on EC's point, to allow those bunnies.
And that's what I saw, sitting from my seat in the bleachers...
A bunny, in my book, and hoops lingo, is an open, uncontested shot, usually a layup or a dunk. The photo you provided isn't an example of the several bunnies the 'Golds defense allowed, so it doesn't exactly refute my statement that Stout had way too many uncontested bunnies last night...
One could probably make a case that there are fouls and jersey holdings on every single play. I'm sure you can find lots of pictures from last night's game of this happening, on both ends, and in any other game. But go back and look at the tape of the game from last night, and you'll see examples of the porpous D the 'Golds played...
You can't always control how well you shoot, or the percentage you hit from the field. You're going to have a bad night shooting wise once in a while. But what do you do to compensate on those nights? PLAY D!
Defense is an attitude and mentality, and wins championships. And that is one thing you, as a player can control - how well you play D, and how much intensity and heart you bring to it. It's something the 'Golds have done very well as a team as of late, and have fed off that and turned it into offense on the other end. But way too many lapses last night...
Stout deserves credit, but some of the success last night wasn't a case of terrific play calling or fast breaks or picks that freed up the lane, or Blugold players being out of position. It was just poor, porous D on EC's point, to allow those bunnies.
And that's what I saw, sitting from my seat in the bleachers...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 12:48:52 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 12:48:52 AM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on January 25, 2007, 01:00:51 PMI find it funny that any Stout fan would be displaying pics of holding jerseys and what not considering that any coach in the WIAC that I talk to prepares for Stout in the practices before by have players hold jerseys and play as physical as possible.
Sounds like WW is the big surprise this year....too bad EC didn't make a better showing to make things a little more interesting in the standings.
Well, I find it interesting that you would say that, considering that 2 of the other HC coaches in the WIAC were tutored by Coach T at Stout. Cindy Hovet of RF played for Mark and is in the UW Stout Sports Hall of Fame. Keri Carollo of WW was one of Mark's assistant coaches. And her assistant Amy Zellinger (possibly another Stout HOF member when she becomes eligible) was a star player for Mark also.
Both RF and WW play a very similar style of ball. I would argue that some of the other teams in the WIAC practice a more physical style of ball in attempt to slow the game down to their comfort level.
There is a reason behind my avatar and the word "Faster" underneath it - Stout plays a very fast style of ball - which they can do because of their depth. The whole intent is to wear the opposing team down - and it works much of the time.
Regardless, my point was that EC played more aggressive defense than what was being reported and that there weren't that many "uncontested bunnies". To be honest, I think Stout gave up as many as they got last night.
I happened to see that photo of Layne Pitt's and thought it was the perfect one to show how things were contested under the basket. The hold was amusing to me - only because of how Dani's jersey was being stretched to the max... It was not my intent to condemn the EC team as playing dirty. Things happen in a BB game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 02:16:05 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 02:16:05 AM
Champ - The 'Golds have played aggressive D the whole season, and quite well, as of late.
But if you've been following them all year, like buf and I have, you'd have seen that they did have several lapses last night. There were far too many plays where Stout players took it to the rack, and the defensive player who got beat had no help. Thus, bunnies. I can think of at least five, and I don't recall any on fast breaks...
I can't speak for buf, but what I think he and I are saying is that we were not pleased with how the defense was, and are in no way trying to discredit the your team or the Stout O. Rather, we, who have most likely seen this team more than you have this year, were disappointed in how the 'Golds played defensively, compared to how they can and have been, and expected a better performance and more than they gave...
But if you've been following them all year, like buf and I have, you'd have seen that they did have several lapses last night. There were far too many plays where Stout players took it to the rack, and the defensive player who got beat had no help. Thus, bunnies. I can think of at least five, and I don't recall any on fast breaks...
I can't speak for buf, but what I think he and I are saying is that we were not pleased with how the defense was, and are in no way trying to discredit the your team or the Stout O. Rather, we, who have most likely seen this team more than you have this year, were disappointed in how the 'Golds played defensively, compared to how they can and have been, and expected a better performance and more than they gave...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
bulk
You're right, I have only seen two EC games this season, and I'm sure the two of you have seen more than two games. Advantage to you and buf in evaluating a Blugold performance.
Your defense held us to only 65 points. That's nearly 8 points below our season average - an average that is only that low because of the fact that in the first game you held us to 44 poiints.
This is the fourth WIAC loss this season by the 'Golds, and it was by the second smallest margin for UWEC in WIAC games this year.
I suggest, without having seen those two games, that the defensive performance in the first LaCrosse game (UWL shot 48.9%) and in the Point game (UWSP shot 50%) were worse. Your comment of your D having played "well, as of late" seem to conflict with the fact that the Point game was only 3 games ago.
Our WIAC season FG% is 43.3 and your D held us to 39.2. I think your D did a much better job than you give them credit for.
You came to Johnson Fieldhouse hoping for an upset. To do so would have taken a great defensive effort by your squad like they had in the first meeting. IMHO, based on watching several Stout games this year is that your defense represented themselves quite well, but not as well as in Zorn Arena in November.
Fair enough?
You're right, I have only seen two EC games this season, and I'm sure the two of you have seen more than two games. Advantage to you and buf in evaluating a Blugold performance.
Your defense held us to only 65 points. That's nearly 8 points below our season average - an average that is only that low because of the fact that in the first game you held us to 44 poiints.
This is the fourth WIAC loss this season by the 'Golds, and it was by the second smallest margin for UWEC in WIAC games this year.
I suggest, without having seen those two games, that the defensive performance in the first LaCrosse game (UWL shot 48.9%) and in the Point game (UWSP shot 50%) were worse. Your comment of your D having played "well, as of late" seem to conflict with the fact that the Point game was only 3 games ago.
Our WIAC season FG% is 43.3 and your D held us to 39.2. I think your D did a much better job than you give them credit for.
You came to Johnson Fieldhouse hoping for an upset. To do so would have taken a great defensive effort by your squad like they had in the first meeting. IMHO, based on watching several Stout games this year is that your defense represented themselves quite well, but not as well as in Zorn Arena in November.
Fair enough?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 26, 2007, 11:48:13 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 26, 2007, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 02:16:05 AM
Champ - The 'Golds have played aggressive D the whole season, and quite well, as of late.
But if you've been following them all year, like buf and I have, you'd have seen that they did have several lapses last night. There were far too many plays where Stout players took it to the rack, and the defensive player who got beat had no help. Thus, bunnies. I can think of at least five, and I don't recall any on fast breaks...
I can't speak for buf, but what I think he and I are saying is that we were not pleased with how the defense was, and are in no way trying to discredit the your team or the Stout O. Rather, we, who have most likely seen this team more than you have this year, were disappointed in how the 'Golds played defensively, compared to how they can and have been, and expected a better performance and more than they gave...
You know what Bulk? I'm sorry, but I have to step in here. I don't think you have a clue just what these girls give to this game.
They are NOT playing this game to please you. They are out there because they love the game of basketball. Period!!!!!!!! They work really hard at competing and going to school.
They don't have the luxury of having so much free time like you and me.
It's a game. That's all it really is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 26, 2007, 12:27:09 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 26, 2007, 12:27:09 PM
haha...finally some talk on here....it has been a while since we have had this much talk in 2 days time.....
I know it sounded bad but I know coaches have their "practice" teams play a little dirtier when preparing for Stout...it wasn't a knock to women's basketball at all....basketball isn't about pulling shirts and being held....but a lot of this stuff is being let go more and more in our league because of how the officiating has gone down....I can count on maybe 1 hand how many officials are "decent" in the league and that is it. So yes I agree with how officiating has gone bad in the league....BUT i do know being an official sucks...never officiated this league but it seems more and more that people are so quick to blame officials before actually being accountable for there own actions...
so here is a question....with so many losses in the league do you guys think we only get 1 into the tourney again?
I know it sounded bad but I know coaches have their "practice" teams play a little dirtier when preparing for Stout...it wasn't a knock to women's basketball at all....basketball isn't about pulling shirts and being held....but a lot of this stuff is being let go more and more in our league because of how the officiating has gone down....I can count on maybe 1 hand how many officials are "decent" in the league and that is it. So yes I agree with how officiating has gone bad in the league....BUT i do know being an official sucks...never officiated this league but it seems more and more that people are so quick to blame officials before actually being accountable for there own actions...
so here is a question....with so many losses in the league do you guys think we only get 1 into the tourney again?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2007, 03:55:27 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2007, 03:55:27 PM
Last year one team received a Pool C bid with 7 in-region losses. That was NYU with an in-region record of 18-7. Moravian (19-6), Bridgewater (22-6), Rochester (18-6) and Bates (18-6) got in with 6 in-region losses.
Based on last year, 7 regional losses would leave you hanging by an extremely thin thread, 6 in-region losses would put you firmly on the bubble, and 5 looks relatively solid as long as you've beaten a few good teams to keep your QOWI up.
Here are the regional records for the WIAC as of today:
Stout - 15-1
Stevens Point - 12-4
Whitewater - 10-4
Eau Claire - 9-5
River Falls - 8-7
La Crosse - 7-7
Oshkosh, Platteville and Superior all have at least 9 regional losses.
Remember that if we are discussing a Pool C bid, we have to assume 1 loss in the WIAC Tournament.
Unless Johnson Fieldhouse collapses on Kelsey Duoss's head, Stout should be a Pool C lock.
Point and Whitewater are OK for now, but one of them really needs to establish themselves over the other. They still have to play each other (that's a huge game) and they each get another crack vs. Stout. If WW sweeps Point, that certainly gives them the edge. If Point can salvage a split, then it might come down to who has the strongest performance against Stout, and who doesn't blow a game they should win. A win over Stout would certainly boost their QOWI and their argument to the selection committee.
Eau Claire already has a win over Stout, but they really need to run the table into the WIAC Tournament in order to go to Selection Sunday with just 6 in-region losses.
Even if River Falls or La Crosse can win out all the way to the WIAC Tournament Championship game they would still have 8 losses. That probably won't cut it.
Based on last year, 7 regional losses would leave you hanging by an extremely thin thread, 6 in-region losses would put you firmly on the bubble, and 5 looks relatively solid as long as you've beaten a few good teams to keep your QOWI up.
Here are the regional records for the WIAC as of today:
Stout - 15-1
Stevens Point - 12-4
Whitewater - 10-4
Eau Claire - 9-5
River Falls - 8-7
La Crosse - 7-7
Oshkosh, Platteville and Superior all have at least 9 regional losses.
Remember that if we are discussing a Pool C bid, we have to assume 1 loss in the WIAC Tournament.
Unless Johnson Fieldhouse collapses on Kelsey Duoss's head, Stout should be a Pool C lock.
Point and Whitewater are OK for now, but one of them really needs to establish themselves over the other. They still have to play each other (that's a huge game) and they each get another crack vs. Stout. If WW sweeps Point, that certainly gives them the edge. If Point can salvage a split, then it might come down to who has the strongest performance against Stout, and who doesn't blow a game they should win. A win over Stout would certainly boost their QOWI and their argument to the selection committee.
Eau Claire already has a win over Stout, but they really need to run the table into the WIAC Tournament in order to go to Selection Sunday with just 6 in-region losses.
Even if River Falls or La Crosse can win out all the way to the WIAC Tournament Championship game they would still have 8 losses. That probably won't cut it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on January 26, 2007, 04:10:26 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on January 26, 2007, 04:10:26 PM
I'll be listening to the Saturday morning show on my way to a tournament and then both Stout games. That's a lot of Stoutguy in one day...
God Bless me!
God Bless me!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 06:13:26 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 26, 2007, 03:55:27 PMUnless Johnson Fieldhouse collapses on Kelsey Duoss's head, Stout should be a Pool C lock.
Had to laugh when I read that... ;D I really don't want Johnson Fieldhouse collapsing, much less on Kelsey's head... :o
Besides, I'm hoping that Johnson might be the site of at least one game in the WIAC tourney - and I'd prefer that we have a roof over our heads. Outdoor basketball in February is not recommended. ;)
Great analysis of the Pool C situation. I really don't want to think of going in through the back door, but it wasn't that many years ago that Point did it - and went on to win it all... 8)
Still can't figure out how a "back door" team got that many home games in the tourney though, when the WIAC Tournament Champion had to go on the road??? ??? ???
Here's the remaining schedule for the three teams you feel have a shot at a Pool C bid - EC/Point/WW. All three teams play the other two, so this could be real interesting.
EC:
@ Platteville
Point
@ River Falls
Oshkosh
@ Superior
@ Whitewater
Point:
@ Eau Claire
@ LaCrosse
Whitewater
Stout
@ Platteville
@ Superior
Whitewater:
@ Stout
Platteville
Superior
@Point
@ River Falls
@ Oshkosh
Eau Claire
There are some real tough games there for both teams, and that makes the Point/WW matchup on Feb 7th a potential mega game for both squads.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 06:15:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 06:15:01 PM
Quote from: Rico 21 on January 26, 2007, 04:10:26 PM
I'll be listening to the Saturday morning show on my way to a tournament and then both Stout games. That's a lot of Stoutguy in one day...
God Bless me!
What I want to know is what crimes you committed to deserve that kind of punishment - you didn't rob a bank or something like that - did you...;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 06:45:07 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 06:45:07 PM
Hey, hey, hey. I am reading this stuff, you know. Foul Language, why don't you at least jump in and tell these guys what a good guy I am.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
Back off, you guys. Stoutguy is a good guy.
Like that?
Like that?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 06:54:16 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 06:54:16 PM
Yes, just like that. Now you have to start thinking of something to say at halftime of our Stout/Superior game. You are our guest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 07:08:04 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 07:08:04 PM
Would it have to be coherent? I've been known to babble. I'm sure that comes as a surprise to readers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 08:04:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
Back off, you guys. Stoutguy is a good guy.
Never said he wasn't a good guy, but listening to Stoutguy for the Saturday morning show and then two BB games... Too much of a good thing can be harmful.
We need to figure out a way where we can get Stoutguy's audio hooked up to the video of the webcast. When I was out visiting Mrs. Champ last weekend out in D.C. - we watched the game - but it was painful listening to that kid's play by play.
I had thought that if we had two laptops running, we could have had the radio broadcast on one and the webcast on the other - but then they probably would be out of sync and I'd hear Jake talk about the shot going in before Kelsey even got the ball... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 08:59:22 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 08:59:22 PM
hoops49 -
To respond to your post - I'm pretty sure I've been a Blugold, and Blugold fan, longer than you have, since I'm a graduate of this fine institution of higher learning. Don't fault me for developing my critical thinking skills while I was there. I call them as I see them, praiseworthy or not. I'm not on here to coddle the athletes; when they don't play to their capabilities, I say it. When they do, I say that, too.
But if you want to call me on my bluff, go back and read my posts; most are of the cheerleader-type that you seem to think they and the other UWEC teams deserve, just for putting on the uniform. Sorry, but I don't automatically give out As for effort, or for putting on the jersey...
As far as me not knowing what they give? Please. Give me a break. I know what it's like to be in school, while participating in extracurricular activities that amounted to 30-40 hour weeks in addition to my studies... I realize how hard they work, and have acknowledged that in the past. But I've seen this team play better defense this year, and have said that, too.
And in my opinion, they didn't give an their best effort on Wednesday. I'd bet they were not happy with their defensive performance either, and were told that in no uncertain terms by their coaches... If you were pleased with their effort on Wednesday, then the standards have slipped...
And you are incorrect; they are playing to please me. I'm one of the fans who pays $6-$8 to see them play. And they have said all season long, and in seasons past, how important it is to have the fans in the stands. Check my previous posts; I know for a fact they don't take the tremendous fan support they have for granted...
I don't think being a fan means I'm supposed to sit back and have low expectations for such a talented group of players; I hope the team wants fans who are disappointed when they didn't play their best ball. Seems to me my best teachers (or in this case, a fan) were those who pushed me the most, and expected the most...
But, if, as you suggest, they really aren't out there to please me, and the rest of the fans, then so be it. Then my comments/opinions shouldn't mean diddly squat to you or the team, and you shouldn't get all bent out of shape over them...
It's funny, as you say, that it's only a game. And yet you show so much passion for it in your post. Yes, the women play D3 ball because they love it - ie, they don't get scholarships - but that's precisely why I pay to watch them...
To respond to your post - I'm pretty sure I've been a Blugold, and Blugold fan, longer than you have, since I'm a graduate of this fine institution of higher learning. Don't fault me for developing my critical thinking skills while I was there. I call them as I see them, praiseworthy or not. I'm not on here to coddle the athletes; when they don't play to their capabilities, I say it. When they do, I say that, too.
But if you want to call me on my bluff, go back and read my posts; most are of the cheerleader-type that you seem to think they and the other UWEC teams deserve, just for putting on the uniform. Sorry, but I don't automatically give out As for effort, or for putting on the jersey...
As far as me not knowing what they give? Please. Give me a break. I know what it's like to be in school, while participating in extracurricular activities that amounted to 30-40 hour weeks in addition to my studies... I realize how hard they work, and have acknowledged that in the past. But I've seen this team play better defense this year, and have said that, too.
And in my opinion, they didn't give an their best effort on Wednesday. I'd bet they were not happy with their defensive performance either, and were told that in no uncertain terms by their coaches... If you were pleased with their effort on Wednesday, then the standards have slipped...
And you are incorrect; they are playing to please me. I'm one of the fans who pays $6-$8 to see them play. And they have said all season long, and in seasons past, how important it is to have the fans in the stands. Check my previous posts; I know for a fact they don't take the tremendous fan support they have for granted...
I don't think being a fan means I'm supposed to sit back and have low expectations for such a talented group of players; I hope the team wants fans who are disappointed when they didn't play their best ball. Seems to me my best teachers (or in this case, a fan) were those who pushed me the most, and expected the most...
But, if, as you suggest, they really aren't out there to please me, and the rest of the fans, then so be it. Then my comments/opinions shouldn't mean diddly squat to you or the team, and you shouldn't get all bent out of shape over them...
It's funny, as you say, that it's only a game. And yet you show so much passion for it in your post. Yes, the women play D3 ball because they love it - ie, they don't get scholarships - but that's precisely why I pay to watch them...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 10:02:07 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 10:02:07 PM
Champ - I'm not ignoring you. Just getting my second wind here, after my previous dissertation after being taken to task by hoops49...
Fair enough. But only because I'm too tired to type... ;)
One thing worth re-mentioning about the first matchup this year between UWEC and Stout, was the presence in the paint of Erin Voelker, a 6-3 junior, who came from Madison Area Tech. She played pretty well and was part of the success they had against Duoss that night. But Voelker has since left UWEC, at the break...
Oh, hey, since you noted how you replaced the floor at the fieldhouse, but that it was maybe two years ago, and wasn't necessarily to confuse the 'Golds? ;) Guess what? The Blugolds head to Platteville tomorrow, where they're naming the court after Bo during the men's game. So, the women get to help christen that new floor, too. Ha.
I wonder, though, what they are doing to the floor, if anything? A new paint job with some sort of recognition on it, with Ryan's name? Or is it just going to be called that, with no markings? Any one - SuperPfan? know?
Fair enough. But only because I'm too tired to type... ;)
One thing worth re-mentioning about the first matchup this year between UWEC and Stout, was the presence in the paint of Erin Voelker, a 6-3 junior, who came from Madison Area Tech. She played pretty well and was part of the success they had against Duoss that night. But Voelker has since left UWEC, at the break...
Oh, hey, since you noted how you replaced the floor at the fieldhouse, but that it was maybe two years ago, and wasn't necessarily to confuse the 'Golds? ;) Guess what? The Blugolds head to Platteville tomorrow, where they're naming the court after Bo during the men's game. So, the women get to help christen that new floor, too. Ha.
I wonder, though, what they are doing to the floor, if anything? A new paint job with some sort of recognition on it, with Ryan's name? Or is it just going to be called that, with no markings? Any one - SuperPfan? know?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 26, 2007, 10:15:23 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on January 26, 2007, 10:15:23 PM
Please, we should all just say what we see, as respectfully as we can ,while still keeping our passion for sports. I too, have high expectations as a fan.But, when the game is over, we all have Wisconsin in our names during conference games. While it is not life and death, it is important. Ilove all you guys, and some gals, on this site. I do not want this to become the FB site, where people complain about any negative comments on their teams with personal criticism and a rain of negative Karma. God Bless as always!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 11:46:19 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 11:46:19 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 26, 2007, 08:04:56 PMYes, and too much of a BAD thing can be painful. Anyway, Champ, I really appreciate your getting these EC guys all cranked up. That is what I enjoy most about d3 basketball. Passion. You got them to talk about theirs with yours. Mark Thomas is a very lucky man to have people like you, Rico, BDB and many others on his side. He has earned that respect, for sure, but he also appreciates itQuote from: foul_language on January 26, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
Back off, you guys. Stoutguy is a good guy.
Never said he wasn't a good guy, but listening to Stoutguy for the Saturday morning show and then two BB games... Too much of a good thing can be harmful.
We need to figure out a way where we can get Stoutguy's audio hooked up to the video of the webcast. When I was out visiting Mrs. Champ last weekend out in D.C. - we watched the game - but it was painful listening to that kid's play by play.
I had thought that if we had two laptops running, we could have had the radio broadcast on one and the webcast on the other - but then they probably would be out of sync and I'd hear Jake talk about the shot going in before Kelsey even got the ball... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2007, 08:24:49 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2007, 08:24:49 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 26, 2007, 10:02:07 PMOne thing worth re-mentioning about the first matchup this year between UWEC and Stout, was the presence in the paint of Erin Voelker, a 6-3 junior, who came from Madison Area Tech. She played pretty well and was part of the success they had against Duoss that night. But Voelker has since left UWEC, at the break...
So, without Voelker - who you openly admit was a part of the defensive success you had on your home court against Stout, your squad holds the top scoring team in the WIAC to only 65 points and 39.2% shooting - and your complaining about this being your poorest defensive effort? The EC D also held Stout to 3 fewer rebounds than their season average in 2006 - 2007.
Sorry, I ain't buying what you're selling here.
You say they gave up too many uncontested bunnies. Well, your squad held Duoss below her season shooting percentage, and she doesn't miss very many uncontested bunnies. Kelsey was 7 or 12 from the floor, Hirssig was 3 of 7 and McDermid was 2 of 4. Those are our players that occaisionally get uncontested bunnies - and they did get some - but not any thing out of the norm, IMHO.
As I said in my last post, your squad needed a great defensive effort and got a very good one. The problem for EC last Wednesday was not the defense - it was the other side of the ball not scoring enough points.
Of course commiting 21 turnovers and having 7 shots blocked was a big part of that. And don't think that it was just Duoss blocking the shots - as she only had 2 of them. The steals (there were 10 by Stout) were spread around well also with no one player having more than 2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2007, 08:42:31 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2007, 08:42:31 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 26, 2007, 11:46:19 PMAnyway, Champ, I really appreciate your getting these EC guys all cranked up. That is what I enjoy most about d3 basketball. Passion. You got them to talk about theirs with yours. Mark Thomas is a very lucky man to have people like you, Rico, BDB and many others on his side. He has earned that respect, for sure, but he also appreciates it
I gotta remember to get on this board earlier in the season next year... I participate in several other bulletin boards (sports and car related), and just need to get a kick in the assets to remember to post over here when the season starts...
Mark is the man that turned me back onto BB. I hadn't been to two BB games since I graduated from HS - and that was a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago until Mark "badgered" me and Mrs. Champ and told us that "You've got to come out and see my girls play!!!" at the end of race season back when Bonnie Thoe was a freshman. We came out to see them play, and we were hooked - lined - and sinkered...
That was a few years ago, and you know how often we miss games now - either home or on the road - and we don't even live in Wisconsin anymore!!! :o Our car knows the way to Menomonie all by itself...;)
Heck, he's even got me scouting HS players in MN now... ;D Considering my daughter never played BB, it's tough to believe I now travel and pay to attend HS girls BB games!!!
You are right - Mark has EARNED that respect, and one of the reasons he's EARNED it is because he appreciates it so much.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 04:59:14 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 04:59:14 PM
UWO up at the half 31-28 over RF. RF had 24 points at the 8min mark and were shooting 8-14 at that time. At the half, their FG% is now down to 40%, big cold spell. Knapp, Tyriver and Sharpee are the only ones that have scored for UWO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 06:22:19 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 06:22:19 PM
RF with a win at UWO, 61-54. UWO needs someone besides the top 3 (Knapp, tyriver, sparpee) to step up. Only 4pts scored from the other UWO players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 27, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 27, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
Tough to do with a short bench and bad fouls getting called on players, but UWO still hangs tough in their games. Telling point was a stretch where UWO led 37-31, then had 5 straight TO's that led to 11 points. After that, they couldn't recover. Preiner was deadly behind the arc. Tyriver got back on track with another big game. Officiating was better than the SP game on Wednesday. John Furrer is a solid ref, Billy McKnight was off and on this afternoon, and Ryan Delong will be a good ref once he's legally old enough to drive. Hopefully UWO can get a few wins down the stretch and get near a 6th seed, I'm sure they are a team that a lot of other would be uncomfortable to have in the first round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 07:26:03 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 07:26:03 PM
UWP up at the half against EC 34-26. All of EC's regular posts (Burns, Anderson, Hakanson) have had at least 2 fouls from the 10min mark on, Burns has 3 and has barely played. Witt also has 2 fouls. UWP hits 3 at the halftime buzzer for the 8pt lead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 07:31:14 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 07:31:14 PM
Champ, if you want to throw stats around, UWEC has given up 57.5 points per game, and allowed Stout 65... So I bow to you, and say it was all Stout's offense that made the difference in the outcome, not the Golds' D...
And the Golds also scored only 52 points, compared to 60.3 on average. So yep, it was all poor offense that made the difference in this, and the steals, blocks and turnovers you noted that were created by Stout had no factor...
The Golds have given up 65 or more points per game seven times this year; five of them occurred during the first seven games of the year. When they have given up 65 points or more they are 3-4 in those games. Only two were conference games - road losses to UWL (68), which I didn't see, and Stout (65), on Wednesday.
Two of the other games were non-conference wins during the team's Thanksgiving tournament. Missed them. The other was a tournament game loss in Michigan to open the season, and a road loss to St. Cloud St., which I also didn't see. So I made my statement, and based it on, how I've seen them play the rest of the season, and after the first seven games of the year, when they had those five games when they allowed 65+ points.
To quote you: "So, without Voelker - who you openly admit was a part of the defensive success you had on your home court against Stout, your squad holds the top scoring team in the WIAC to only 65 points and 39.2% shooting - and your complaining about this being your poorest defensive effort? The EC D also held Stout to 3 fewer rebounds than their season average in 2006 - 2007."
I'll turn it around on you. Could it be that with Voelker we held you to 44????
You said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team. I'll just leave it at that...
And the Golds also scored only 52 points, compared to 60.3 on average. So yep, it was all poor offense that made the difference in this, and the steals, blocks and turnovers you noted that were created by Stout had no factor...
The Golds have given up 65 or more points per game seven times this year; five of them occurred during the first seven games of the year. When they have given up 65 points or more they are 3-4 in those games. Only two were conference games - road losses to UWL (68), which I didn't see, and Stout (65), on Wednesday.
Two of the other games were non-conference wins during the team's Thanksgiving tournament. Missed them. The other was a tournament game loss in Michigan to open the season, and a road loss to St. Cloud St., which I also didn't see. So I made my statement, and based it on, how I've seen them play the rest of the season, and after the first seven games of the year, when they had those five games when they allowed 65+ points.
To quote you: "So, without Voelker - who you openly admit was a part of the defensive success you had on your home court against Stout, your squad holds the top scoring team in the WIAC to only 65 points and 39.2% shooting - and your complaining about this being your poorest defensive effort? The EC D also held Stout to 3 fewer rebounds than their season average in 2006 - 2007."
I'll turn it around on you. Could it be that with Voelker we held you to 44????
You said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team. I'll just leave it at that...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 08:25:09 PM
EC wins over UWP 59-51 due to a great 2nd half performance. First conference road victory for the 'Golds. Very balanced scoring for EC. The only one doing anything for UWP was Tesch with 23.
Back to the EC Defense in the Stout game. The thing I was dissapointed in was the penetration that was given up by EC. There were too many Stout players driving past the EC defenders. And when that happened, there was usually no help defense. I agree that allowing Stout 65 points on their home court was pretty good. But EC had been doing well not allowing penetration in most of their games this season.
Back to the EC Defense in the Stout game. The thing I was dissapointed in was the penetration that was given up by EC. There were too many Stout players driving past the EC defenders. And when that happened, there was usually no help defense. I agree that allowing Stout 65 points on their home court was pretty good. But EC had been doing well not allowing penetration in most of their games this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 08:27:15 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2007, 08:27:15 PM
Stout wins over WW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 08:42:39 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 08:42:39 PM
buf - it's about time you got my back! ;)
I've been getting beat up by Champ, who can only compare the 'Golds performance that night to one other time he's seen them, and by hoops49, who wasn't going to be at the game, so can't necessarily comment on how they played that night! Ha.
Champ - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...
Anyway, I'll let Coach Englund have the final say in the matter, as she said in the pre-game and post-game comments today vs. Platteville. The team needs to play more consistently. And I won't extend it any further than that, to, say, stretch it to the defensive end, either. ;)
I've been getting beat up by Champ, who can only compare the 'Golds performance that night to one other time he's seen them, and by hoops49, who wasn't going to be at the game, so can't necessarily comment on how they played that night! Ha.
Champ - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...
Anyway, I'll let Coach Englund have the final say in the matter, as she said in the pre-game and post-game comments today vs. Platteville. The team needs to play more consistently. And I won't extend it any further than that, to, say, stretch it to the defensive end, either. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 28, 2007, 10:12:56 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 28, 2007, 10:12:56 AM
Hey, Champ, go out and find another home schooler for Mark, will you? Hirssig is fast becoming my favorite player. Nonstarters outscore the starters again, Duoss, Stout record breaking 11 blocked shots, and the Devils get ready for what will be a tough game down in RF.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 10:19:09 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 10:19:09 AM
Champ and Buf, you're probably both right; the stats make it look like key EC players were getting some foul trouble early enough, they may have been snakebit on defense. Offense should have stepped up and made up for the points the defense wasn't preventing, although the defense must have at least rattled Stout to keep it under average. Whose court were they on? Oh, Menomonie. Couldn't have been a case of fewer points due to hostile court.
There was a lot of rattling going on in Menomonie last night.
Good chatting with Champ and Stoutguy after the Stout game last night. I can't wait until WW posters weigh in on the game. It was a barn-burner; kind of one of those hell-bent-for-leather kind of things. What does that mean, anyway. Have I got it wrong? Is it hell-bent-for-weather, which makes more sense where I'm from.
There was a lot of rattling going on in Menomonie last night.
Good chatting with Champ and Stoutguy after the Stout game last night. I can't wait until WW posters weigh in on the game. It was a barn-burner; kind of one of those hell-bent-for-leather kind of things. What does that mean, anyway. Have I got it wrong? Is it hell-bent-for-weather, which makes more sense where I'm from.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 12:57:20 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 07:31:14 PMYou said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team.
I did see a good defensive effort by the Blugolds against Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse. It's too bad that you missed it... ;)
EC is not the best defense we've seen all year. You point out that the EC D has held opponents to 57.5 points per game. River Falls is the best defense we've played all year - and their 50.1 (a full 4 point advantage over #2 Oshkosh and 7. 4 PPG better than #4 EC) point per game average backs that up.
One of the factors that is hidden in EC's PPG ranking is the recent Oshkosh game - they held Oshkosh to 48 points - a great defensive effort, IMHO - and lost the game. Was that the fault of the defense in your mind too? They held Oshkosh to 10 points under their season PPG average.
How about the recent Point game? They held point to 64 points (magically 1 point below the 65 point reference you used to extoll the virtues of the Blugold defense), 5 points below Points average - and lost that game too.
So let's recap... Three January WIAC games where the EC D holds the opponent 5 - 10 points below the opponents season PPG average, and you lose all three games. Your offense averages 46 PPG in those three games.
QuoteChamp - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...
Well, to be honest - I'm more defensive minded - and would probably be a defensive coordinator. I'm better at figuring out how to prevent my opponent from scoring - but also smart enough to understand that I can't pitch a shutout everytime out.
I would depend on my offensive coordinator to score some points for me to cover my back.
In your situation, in your recent losses to Oshkosh, Point and Stout - your offensive coordinator let you down.
If I were Tonya (and I'm not) - I'd be looking at how to improve my offense.
Simple math tells you that when your offense is only 1.4 PPG better than the worst in the WIAC - the problem isn't the defense which is #4 and is 9.6 PPG better than the worst in the league.
Whether it be baseball, football or basketball, a good defense will help you win games, assuming you have a good offense. If you have a poor offense, you will need a great defense to win games consistently.
EC has a good defense, and gave a good defensive effort against Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 01:08:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 28, 2007, 10:12:56 AM
Hey, Champ, go out and find another home schooler for Mark, will you? Hirssig is fast becoming my favorite player. Nonstarters outscore the starters again, Duoss, Stout record breaking 11 blocked shots, and the Devils get ready for what will be a tough game down in RF.
I'll be out scouting again this week, but no home schooler's.... ;)
I'll be looking for defensive minded players exclusively... ;)
Of course, a defensive minded player that can sink an occaisional 3 pointer (I think she had 5 the last time I saw her play) is a bonus!!! 8)
BTW, the stat sheet I saw only credits Kelsey with 10 blocks - a real piss poor defensive performance by our top offensive threat... ;)
And I can't take credit for "finding" Julia - Coach T did that. It was worth the price of admission to see her play HS ball though!
We'll need a solid performance from the whole team to beat RF on their home court. I don't want to have to try and come from a 10 point deficit with 5 minutes to go like we did at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 01:21:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 01:21:56 PM
Good game by Stout. We made a nice run in the first half and had a lead but they got going in the final 4 minutes of the half and went ahead on a three-pointer with :12 remaining. In the second half they picked up the intensity and we just didn't match it. Though we did manage to keep them within sight and get to within six, 47-41 with 9 minutes remaining. But we couldn't get shots to drop after that, turned it over some and the BlueDevil pulled away 65-50.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 01:58:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 10:19:09 AMThere was a lot of rattling going on in Menomonie last night.
Good chatting with Champ and Stoutguy after the Stout game last night. I can't wait until WW posters weigh in on the game. It was a barn-burner; kind of one of those hell-bent-for-leather kind of things. What does that mean, anyway. Have I got it wrong? Is it hell-bent-for-weather, which makes more sense where I'm from.
BadgerWarhawk wasn't at the game FL, so he's probably looking for us to report what happened. (and as I was typing this, BW posted, I can see that he was either listening to the the game yesterday or he read the stat page)
Simply put, the Warhawks, played a great first half - especially the first 12 minutes where they held a 9 point advantage. Stout managed to make a run in the last 8 minutes and went into the half with a 3 point lead. That last 8 minutes Stout finally found a little rythym - but I sure wasn't comfortable with how the game was going up to that point.
As noted in my post to SG, Kelsey had 10 blocked shots (the team had 13). Another key defensive stat was the 17 total steals - and one of my favorite players - Amanda Geissler had 5 of them!
This was a very physical game - too physical. I think it took less than two minutes of play for the officials to lose control of the game. I seriously was concerned for the safety of the players on both teams.
If the officials aren't going to call fouls for overly aggressive physical play, teams have to play even more aggressive and physical to have a chance to win.
The Stout writeup of the games refers to sloppy play in the first half - and I wouldn't argue that it wasn't sloppy - at times. But when the officials aren't making calls - it leads to rag tag BB - a game that neither of these fine teams is used to.
An example of calls not made.... our leading scorer for the evening, Savanah Oeltjen, got two of her 16 points where she should have been first:
1. Called for traveling
2. Called for charging
I was on the other end of the court standing on the floor and I could see this - and I'm as much of a homer as anyone on this board. How three officials failed to see our player with the ball commit these offenses and not blow a whistle... ???
The Lady Warhawks played a very strong defensive effort in the first half. They held us to under 39% shooting and made us work very hard for each point. In the second half, they simply wore down allowing Stout to sink their shots at a 50% clip.
Stout's defense held the Lady Warhawks to 26.6% for the evening. The leading scorer for the 'Hawks was Tiffany Morton with 15 points.
The alumni game that was played earlier in the day was also great fun to watch! As a fan it was great to see the former players that helped build the program back on the Johnson Fieldhouse floor again. And you could tell the former UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils enjoyed seeing their former mentors and teammates again!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 04:49:37 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 04:49:37 PM
Both sides committed and got away with a fair share of non-traditional play.
Fast and furious comes to mind.
I noticed Stout roster was down to only 20 players. I chatted with Alisha Doppenberg a bit during halftime. She's given up basketball for a fiance ('e' should have one of those little accent marks). I certainly wish her the best.
Fast and furious comes to mind.
I noticed Stout roster was down to only 20 players. I chatted with Alisha Doppenberg a bit during halftime. She's given up basketball for a fiance ('e' should have one of those little accent marks). I certainly wish her the best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 05:25:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 05:25:07 PM
My perceptions came from listening to the game on radio. I haven't seen the box score yet but just by listening you could tell two things. One, there was a lot of physical play going on and two the WARHAWKS had their problems trying to score inside with Duoss around. So ten blocks doesn't surprise me, "blocked by Duoss" was a redundant comment during the broadcast.
I knew our chances were slim but I'd hoped the final would be closer. We're better but not quite to that level yet. We'd have to play almost errorlessly to win and on your court we'd probably need a break here and there too.
While winning a conference championship is generally a program goal with a three game cushion and only six games remaining I really have a hard time imagining anyone catching, let alone overtaking, Stout. Of course the roof could collapse on Duoss. However without the Geissingers, Oeltjen and Dani whatshername underneath it as well Stout could probably weather the storm.
Second place would be a huge step forward for the WARHAWK program and would exceed any expectations I had of the team. Obviously there's a ways to go yet but they've got themselves in a position to compete for it. Winning the next two homes games (Platteville, Superior) is the next step.
I knew our chances were slim but I'd hoped the final would be closer. We're better but not quite to that level yet. We'd have to play almost errorlessly to win and on your court we'd probably need a break here and there too.
While winning a conference championship is generally a program goal with a three game cushion and only six games remaining I really have a hard time imagining anyone catching, let alone overtaking, Stout. Of course the roof could collapse on Duoss. However without the Geissingers, Oeltjen and Dani whatshername underneath it as well Stout could probably weather the storm.
Second place would be a huge step forward for the WARHAWK program and would exceed any expectations I had of the team. Obviously there's a ways to go yet but they've got themselves in a position to compete for it. Winning the next two homes games (Platteville, Superior) is the next step.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 05:52:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2007, 05:25:07 PMWhile winning a conference championship is generally a program goal with a three game cushion and only six games remaining I really have a hard time imagining anyone catching, let alone overtaking, Stout. Of course the roof could collapse on Duoss. However without the Geissingers, Oeltjen and Dani whatshername underneath it as well Stout could probably weather the storm.
Had to chuckle after reading that one.... ;D ;D ;D
I personally refuse to look any further than our next opponent - River Falls. They are the toughest defense in the WIAC, and we're playing on their court. Cindy Hovet (former UW Stout star BB player under Coach T) coaches her team very well, and is very familar with Mark's system.
Yup, it's the old one game at a time!!!
QuoteSecond place would be a huge step forward for the WARHAWK program and would exceed any expectations I had of the team. Obviously there's a ways to go yet but they've got themselves in a position to compete for it. Winning the next two homes games (Platteville, Superior) is the next step.
I wish coaches Keri Pete, and Amy, as well as all the players and their fans, the best for every game the rest of the year, with the exception of a possible 3rd meeting in the WIAC Tourney against Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 28, 2007, 08:47:07 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 28, 2007, 08:47:07 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 28, 2007, 12:57:20 PMQuote from: bulk19 on January 27, 2007, 07:31:14 PMYou said you saw a good deffensive performance, and that it would take a great one to beat you. I agree with that. But again, you are comparing the 'Golds to the other Ds you have seen this year. But compared to what I've seen this year, that wasn't a good performance from this team.
I did see a good defensive effort by the Blugolds against Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse. It's too bad that you missed it... ;)
EC is not the best defense we've seen all year. You point out that the EC D has held opponents to 57.5 points per game. River Falls is the best defense we've played all year - and their 50.1 (a full 4 point advantage over #2 Oshkosh and 7. 4 PPG better than #4 EC) point per game average backs that up.
One of the factors that is hidden in EC's PPG ranking is the recent Oshkosh game - they held Oshkosh to 48 points - a great defensive effort, IMHO - and lost the game. Was that the fault of the defense in your mind too? They held Oshkosh to 10 points under their season PPG average.
How about the recent Point game? They held point to 64 points (magically 1 point below the 65 point reference you used to extoll the virtues of the Blugold defense), 5 points below Points average - and lost that game too.
So let's recap... Three January WIAC games where the EC D holds the opponent 5 - 10 points below the opponents season PPG average, and you lose all three games. Your offense averages 46 PPG in those three games.QuoteChamp - I think it is safe to say that if we were football coaches, you'd be the offensive coordinator and I'd be the defensive coordinator...
Well, to be honest - I'm more defensive minded - and would probably be a defensive coordinator. I'm better at figuring out how to prevent my opponent from scoring - but also smart enough to understand that I can't pitch a shutout everytime out.
I would depend on my offensive coordinator to score some points for me to cover my back.
In your situation, in your recent losses to Oshkosh, Point and Stout - your offensive coordinator let you down.
If I were Tonya (and I'm not) - I'd be looking at how to improve my offense.
Simple math tells you that when your offense is only 1.4 PPG better than the worst in the WIAC - the problem isn't the defense which is #4 and is 9.6 PPG better than the worst in the league.
Whether it be baseball, football or basketball, a good defense will help you win games, assuming you have a good offense. If you have a poor offense, you will need a great defense to win games consistently.
EC has a good defense, and gave a good defensive effort against Stout.
Very well said.... I couldn't agree with you more. :)
I think where EC is lacking is offense and defensive rebounds....but certainly, not defense!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 28, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 28, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
Hey Champ ?
I haven't figured out how to do this quote thingy here, but here's what you posted:
The Lady Warhawks played a very strong defensive effort in the first half. They held us to under 39% shooting and made us work very hard for each point. In the second half, they simply wore down allowing Stout to sink their shots at a 50% clip.
Stout's defense held the Lady Warhawks to 26.6% for the evening. The leading scorer for the 'Hawks was Tiffany Morton with 15 points.
How come it's the Blugold offense that stinks, and the D is good, but in the case of the Stout/Whitewater game, it wasn't the Blue Devils' offense that wasn't too good in the first half, and it wasn't the Warhawks offense that wasn't good the whole game???? You give credit to the D in both those cases, but don't blame the offenses???
Are you sure it was your D, and it wasn't a case of your offense playing poorly in the first half, and the Lady Warhawks' offense being off the whole night? ;) Kind of sounds like both offenses played poorly to me, based on the stats... ;)
I haven't figured out how to do this quote thingy here, but here's what you posted:
The Lady Warhawks played a very strong defensive effort in the first half. They held us to under 39% shooting and made us work very hard for each point. In the second half, they simply wore down allowing Stout to sink their shots at a 50% clip.
Stout's defense held the Lady Warhawks to 26.6% for the evening. The leading scorer for the 'Hawks was Tiffany Morton with 15 points.
How come it's the Blugold offense that stinks, and the D is good, but in the case of the Stout/Whitewater game, it wasn't the Blue Devils' offense that wasn't too good in the first half, and it wasn't the Warhawks offense that wasn't good the whole game???? You give credit to the D in both those cases, but don't blame the offenses???
Are you sure it was your D, and it wasn't a case of your offense playing poorly in the first half, and the Lady Warhawks' offense being off the whole night? ;) Kind of sounds like both offenses played poorly to me, based on the stats... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:37:28 PM
Post by: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:37:28 PM
Champ/Hoops
I agree with you in that the EC defense is the strength of the team. For being undersized at some positions they do a great job defending. My comments were directed at the penetration given up by EC in the Stout game alone. Of all the games that I have seen this year, EC gave up by far the most dribble penetration in the Stout game, something they (EC) usually do a good job of preventing. With all games considered, I think that all fans that have followed EC this year will agree that the defense is the strength and shooting (especially on the road) is the weakness.
I agree with you in that the EC defense is the strength of the team. For being undersized at some positions they do a great job defending. My comments were directed at the penetration given up by EC in the Stout game alone. Of all the games that I have seen this year, EC gave up by far the most dribble penetration in the Stout game, something they (EC) usually do a good job of preventing. With all games considered, I think that all fans that have followed EC this year will agree that the defense is the strength and shooting (especially on the road) is the weakness.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:41:43 PM
Post by: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 28, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
I haven't figured out how to do this quote thingy here.
You click on the quote button (upper righthand corner) on the poster's message that you want to quote
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 02:52:09 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 02:52:09 AM
foul language - I'm just testing out this quote thingy here:
This, actually, is a great observation on your part... Yes, the 'Golds did have some foul problems early. And perhaps that caused them to be less aggressive on D, and giving less help, as at least I perceived them to be...
buf - you nailed it exactly in that last post, the one before telling me how to use the quote thingy...
But enough about the past... So Champ, the Blue Devils scored 109 points in two games against the 'Golds... That's 54.5 per game... But River Falls, who is giving up 50.1 on the year, gave up 56 in the first game, a loss to you, so in my book they need to hold you to 53 or less on Wednesday, and beat you, to be a better D than my Blugolds! So there! ;)
Champ - Seriously, though, good to have you on here; you said you participate on other sites, but should have joined in on this one at the beginning of the year... It's good to banter back and forth with you; I can tell you know hoops, and appreciate the Blue Devils and the efforts they give...
You definitely have stirred my passion for D3 hoops up a bit this season!
I lived in Point when they won the National Championship, and so that was a pretty fun season, as I, a Blugold, jumped on that bandwagon and went to most of their home games. But now I'm in EC, and experiencing the Stout/Blue Devil rivalry... Pretty cool...
We shall see what shakes out on Wednesday...
Quote from: foul_language on January 28, 2007, 10:19:09 AM
Champ and Buf, you're probably both right; the stats make it look like key EC players were getting some foul trouble early enough, they may have been snakebit on defense. Offense should have stepped up and made up for the points the defense wasn't preventing, although the defense must have at least rattled Stout to keep it under average.
This, actually, is a great observation on your part... Yes, the 'Golds did have some foul problems early. And perhaps that caused them to be less aggressive on D, and giving less help, as at least I perceived them to be...
buf - you nailed it exactly in that last post, the one before telling me how to use the quote thingy...
But enough about the past... So Champ, the Blue Devils scored 109 points in two games against the 'Golds... That's 54.5 per game... But River Falls, who is giving up 50.1 on the year, gave up 56 in the first game, a loss to you, so in my book they need to hold you to 53 or less on Wednesday, and beat you, to be a better D than my Blugolds! So there! ;)
Champ - Seriously, though, good to have you on here; you said you participate on other sites, but should have joined in on this one at the beginning of the year... It's good to banter back and forth with you; I can tell you know hoops, and appreciate the Blue Devils and the efforts they give...
You definitely have stirred my passion for D3 hoops up a bit this season!
I lived in Point when they won the National Championship, and so that was a pretty fun season, as I, a Blugold, jumped on that bandwagon and went to most of their home games. But now I'm in EC, and experiencing the Stout/Blue Devil rivalry... Pretty cool...
We shall see what shakes out on Wednesday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:41:10 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 28, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
Hey Champ ?
How come it's the Blugold offense that stinks, and the D is good, but in the case of the Stout/Whitewater game, it wasn't the Blue Devils' offense that wasn't too good in the first half, and it wasn't the Warhawks offense that wasn't good the whole game???? You give credit to the D in both those cases, but don't blame the offenses???
Are you sure it was your D, and it wasn't a case of your offense playing poorly in the first half, and the Lady Warhawks' offense being off the whole night? ;) Kind of sounds like both offenses played poorly to me, based on the stats... ;)
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
You keep trying to say that I posted that the EC O stinks - I've never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth.
I posted factual information - EC's offense has scored an average of 60.3 PPG. Oshkosh has the lowest average of 58.9, and Stout leads with 72.9. Those are the simple facts.
Remember, I was at the Stout/WW game, and I guarantee you it was a very aggressive defensive effort by WW that stymied our offense in the first half.
Also, remember that I have stated that I'm more defensive minded. IMHO, the defenses were both outstanding in the first half. Our 13 blocked shots and 17 steals is one hell of a lot of defense by any team against any opponent in a game - and WW is one of the better teams in the WIAC.
That's the kind of ball I love to see - when you play that kind of defense - you force your opponent out of their game, especially when you can maintain it for the whole game. In the second half, Stout posted 5 of those blocks and 11 of the steals!!!
We shot under 39% in the first half - that's a fact. I gave credit to WW defense for holding our O down - just like I gave EC credit for the same. In the second half we shot 50%, and I attributed that to the wearing down of the WW D.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:45:35 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:45:35 AM
Quote from: buf on January 28, 2007, 11:37:28 PM
My comments were directed at the penetration given up by EC in the Stout game alone. Of all the games that I have seen this year, EC gave up by far the most dribble penetration in the Stout game, something they (EC) usually do a good job of preventing.
Correct me if I'm wrong - but most of that penetration occurred in the second half, IIRC.
With several players in foul trouble, and fatigue setting in from the speed of the Stout offense and defense, there were some dribble penetrations in the second half that may not have happened in the first half with a fresh D.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:57:15 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:57:15 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 02:52:09 AMBut enough about the past... So Champ, the Blue Devils scored 109 points in two games against the 'Golds... That's 54.5 per game... But River Falls, who is giving up 50.1 on the year, gave up 56 in the first game, a loss to you, so in my book they need to hold you to 53 or less on Wednesday, and beat you, to be a better D than my Blugolds! So there! ;)
You need to remember that FR held us to 56 points on our home court. Your squad held us to 65. That looks like a 9 pont advantage for RF...;)
Teams are not static all season. Each game can be it's own anamoly. That's why looking at season averages is much more important than a very small sample size.
QuoteChamp - Seriously, though, good to have you on here; you said you participate on other sites, but should have joined in on this one at the beginning of the year... It's good to banter back and forth with you; I can tell you know hoops, and appreciate the Blue Devils and the efforts they give...
You definitely have stirred my passion for D3 hoops up a bit this season!
I lived in Point when they won the National Championship, and so that was a pretty fun season, as I, a Blugold, jumped on that bandwagon and went to most of their home games. But now I'm in EC, and experiencing the Stout/Blue Devil rivalry... Pretty cool...
We shall see what shakes out on Wednesday...
Badgerwarhawk and I actively participate in an NFC North board - trading barbs about the Packers and the VIKINGS.... ;D
I'm also in to old cars and racing - and participate on boards on those topics also.
BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road). I wonder what changed that statistic??? ??? ;D ;)
Stout has a 1310 home average... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2007, 10:02:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2007, 10:02:55 AM
Perhaps the season stats for conference play are the most revealing because they show what the teams do against the same competition. Playing different nonconference competition can sometimes create an inequity in the level of play each program faces. It's not unusual to see the numbers drop once conference play begins. Just my 2 cents.
Not having seen it in person I have to rely on the picture painted by the radio broadcast and it sounded to me like, in the second half, Stout simply outplayed us on both ends of the floor. Whether it was the defense or simply an off night (probably some of both) we couldn't shoot to save our souls, particularly in the second half and from the perimeter. Though we kept them within sight I have to admit that, listening to it, I didn't get the feeling we could pull it out. We closed the gap but Stout never really relinquished control of the game.
Not having seen it in person I have to rely on the picture painted by the radio broadcast and it sounded to me like, in the second half, Stout simply outplayed us on both ends of the floor. Whether it was the defense or simply an off night (probably some of both) we couldn't shoot to save our souls, particularly in the second half and from the perimeter. Though we kept them within sight I have to admit that, listening to it, I didn't get the feeling we could pull it out. We closed the gap but Stout never really relinquished control of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 10:17:56 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 10:17:56 AM
Badger makes a good point. To use one chart to show both sides (O and D), I'm posting the scoring margin stats for WIAC games only:
SCORING MARGIN
# Team G OFF DEF Margin
---------------------------------------------
1.UW-Stout............ 10 70.2 61.2 +9.0
2.UW-Stevens Point.... 10 63.6 55.7 +7.9
3.UW-River Falls...... 10 59.1 52.5 +6.6
4.UW-Whitewater....... 9 66.8 61.0 +5.8
5.UW-Eau Claire....... 10 56.6 52.3 +4.3
6.UW-Oshkosh.......... 10 53.8 51.5 +2.3
7.UW-La Crosse........ 10 58.8 63.2 -4.4
8.UW-Platteville...... 9 55.0 65.4 -10.4
9.UW-Superior......... 10 52.2 73.7 -21.5
SCORING MARGIN
# Team G OFF DEF Margin
---------------------------------------------
1.UW-Stout............ 10 70.2 61.2 +9.0
2.UW-Stevens Point.... 10 63.6 55.7 +7.9
3.UW-River Falls...... 10 59.1 52.5 +6.6
4.UW-Whitewater....... 9 66.8 61.0 +5.8
5.UW-Eau Claire....... 10 56.6 52.3 +4.3
6.UW-Oshkosh.......... 10 53.8 51.5 +2.3
7.UW-La Crosse........ 10 58.8 63.2 -4.4
8.UW-Platteville...... 9 55.0 65.4 -10.4
9.UW-Superior......... 10 52.2 73.7 -21.5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 29, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
I thought some of the Stout women looked like deer in the headlights early on in the game--except Savanah, she just thunders on--and I think that had a lot to do with WW coming out like gangbusters from the start. My out-loud comment was I didn't think WW could hold up for four quarters at that pace. I think they made complete disruption in the first quarter and a half, and then they tired a bit, and Stout's bottomless cup of players took over. It looked sloppy, because perhaps neither team was playing its game, so I prefer disrupted over sloppy. Things got settled a bit more later in the second half, and Stout just did its thing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 29, 2007, 11:20:14 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 29, 2007, 11:20:14 AM
Conference Seedings
1 Stout 10-1
8 Platteville 2-8
4 Stevens Point 6-4
5 La Crosse 6-5
3 Whitewater 6-4
6 River Falls 6-5
2 Eau Claire 7-4
7 Oshkosh 4-7
1 Stout 10-1
8 Platteville 2-8
4 Stevens Point 6-4
5 La Crosse 6-5
3 Whitewater 6-4
6 River Falls 6-5
2 Eau Claire 7-4
7 Oshkosh 4-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 12:08:58 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 12:08:58 PM
Wioth all those teams with 4 or 5 losses, the seedings can and probably will change by the time the last game is played on my birthday (begging for birthday presents is allowed, isn't it???).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 29, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 29, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
maybe even bribes.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 01:22:13 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 29, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
maybe even bribes.... ;)
Regretfully, I won't be able to be at the last regular game of the season at Johnson Fieldhouse against LaCrosse... :(
My wife's employer is having their "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz in Washington D.C. and I'll be in a black suit and tie for most if not all of the game (5:00 PM tip off in theory - most likely 5:30 PM in actuality - which means 6:30 PM for me out east).
I'll be needing text message updates throughout the game!!!
Stoutguy, do you have one of my phones???
If you don't know how to text message, I'll be giving a remedial class immediately following the RF game on Wednesday. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 29, 2007, 07:55:58 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 29, 2007, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 01:22:13 PMQuote from: hoops49 on January 29, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
maybe even bribes.... ;)
Regretfully, I won't be able to be at the last regular game of the season at Johnson Fieldhouse against LaCrosse... :(
My wife's employer is having their "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz in Washington D.C. and I'll be in a black suit and tie for most if not all of the game (5:00 PM tip off in theory - most likely 5:30 PM in actuality - which means 6:30 PM for me out east).
I'll be needing text message updates throughout the game!!!
Stoutguy, do you have one of my phones???If you don't know how to text message, I'll be giving a remedial class immediately following the RF game on Wednesday. ;D
No, but if you make me a good deal on one I will text message scores from that Stout game every time Jake screams threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and I'm looking for something to do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:07:23 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 29, 2007, 07:55:58 PMNo, but if you make me a good deal on one I will text message scores from that Stout game every time Jake screams threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and I'm looking for something to do.
Well, we can get you a phone for free (is that cheap enough)? But you will have to pay for the service.
Just talked to Mrs. Champ, and got "official" approval for text messages during the gala. Like she won't be dying to know the score herself.... ;)
Otherwise, I guess I'll have to talk to some of the players and see if one of their parents will take care of a diehard fan like me... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:39:35 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2007, 08:39:35 PM
Week 9 poll is up.
Other WIAC teams garnering votes but not ranked:
UW-Stevens Point 11
UW-Whitewater 4
Stout moves up to #10!!!
Other WIAC teams garnering votes but not ranked:
UW-Stevens Point 11
UW-Whitewater 4
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 11:23:11 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 11:23:11 PM
Hey Champ =
BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road). I wonder what changed that statistic???
Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...
But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...
The Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...
So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...
We have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...
Then, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...
BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road). I wonder what changed that statistic???
Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...
But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...
The Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...
So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...
We have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...
Then, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2007, 09:03:49 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2007, 09:03:49 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 29, 2007, 11:23:11 PM
Hey Champ =
BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road). I wonder what changed that statistic???
Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...
But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...
Well, I thought that would get a rise out of you... ;D
And yes, I used the stats that were available at the time of posting, which did not have Saturday's games included yet. If I had had the current information posted on the WIAC page, Stout's attendance (highest in the WIAC) would have increased to 1318.
Yup, the road numbers went down, not surprising when Saturday's road game was so far away from EC that the attendance was below Platteville's average for a home game.
QuoteThe Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...
So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...
No, neutral courts aren't figured into road totals and are a totally separate stat.
Your official road game attendance (per the WIAC, not me) is now 740, still a higher number than your home game attendance, not the 591 that you attempt to suggest to make it appear that road attendance is less, not more than home attendance to date. But you knew that, didn't you...
As long as you brought up the topic though, Stout had three neutral site games too - and FWIW, the average attendance was 282 for the three games. Who really cares - right?
QuoteWe have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...
Yes, home attendance should go up. Although I don't know how much. Point and Oshkosh have a pretty good rivalry and are located fairly close. They only drew an average of 400 (577 and 224) per game for their home and away series.
QuoteThen, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...
Will EC get a home game?
With 5 teams (EC, Point, Oshkosh, WW and LaCrosse) grouped so tightly together, and the fact that 2 of the 5 will most likely be on the road to start the WIAC tourney I don't see where any of those 5 can be comfortable on playing a home game yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 30, 2007, 02:52:03 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 30, 2007, 02:52:03 PM
Champ I be at all the Stout games like I all the time am so I will be more than glad to Text you during the STOUT/ LAX game talk to you In river Wed. I think you know who I am I sit front row across from the team at all home games
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
Hey BDB, glad to see you posting!
I really would appreciate scoring updates during the LaCrosse game. Maybe during every media timeout, half time and then the final score.
All I need is the score.
See you tomorrow BDB...
I really would appreciate scoring updates during the LaCrosse game. Maybe during every media timeout, half time and then the final score.
All I need is the score.
See you tomorrow BDB...
GO BLUEDEVILS!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 30, 2007, 11:29:32 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 30, 2007, 11:29:32 PM
Champ -
Yes, I realize there are home, road and neutral games. That's why I led off my statment posting those numbers, updating your incorrect number. Yes, they do show that UWEC on average has played before bigger crowds at road games than at home games. So far...
I am not attempting to suggest, nor imply, that the road totals are less than the home totals. You have inferred incorrectly. I merely added the three neutral games to the total of the roads, to show what the average crowd size is for the games that have been played outside of Zorn arena. They are on the road, which is what I stated, but are not considered "road games."
Wednesday's game against Stevens Point should have a decent crowd, with 300+ youngsters being invited for Team Night, much like Stout had against the Golds...
Since the 1990s, with a brief interlude during the recent 2000s for the UWSP and Stout title runs, Oshkosh has been the 'Golds biggest rivalry. Most of the biggest attendances at Zorn throughout the history have been played against the Titans. I expect that will continue, as things are going down to the wire in this conference, and for this team, which holds its own destiny for second place...
Will UWEC get a home game? Yep. As many as possible is the team goal...
And as far as anybody caring about all this and neutral games and what all? You were the one to first raise the attendance figures, not me... ;)
Yes, I realize there are home, road and neutral games. That's why I led off my statment posting those numbers, updating your incorrect number. Yes, they do show that UWEC on average has played before bigger crowds at road games than at home games. So far...
I am not attempting to suggest, nor imply, that the road totals are less than the home totals. You have inferred incorrectly. I merely added the three neutral games to the total of the roads, to show what the average crowd size is for the games that have been played outside of Zorn arena. They are on the road, which is what I stated, but are not considered "road games."
Wednesday's game against Stevens Point should have a decent crowd, with 300+ youngsters being invited for Team Night, much like Stout had against the Golds...
Since the 1990s, with a brief interlude during the recent 2000s for the UWSP and Stout title runs, Oshkosh has been the 'Golds biggest rivalry. Most of the biggest attendances at Zorn throughout the history have been played against the Titans. I expect that will continue, as things are going down to the wire in this conference, and for this team, which holds its own destiny for second place...
Will UWEC get a home game? Yep. As many as possible is the team goal...
And as far as anybody caring about all this and neutral games and what all? You were the one to first raise the attendance figures, not me... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2007, 09:03:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2007, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 30, 2007, 11:29:32 PM
Champ -
Yes, I realize there are home, road and neutral games. That's why I led off my statment posting those numbers, updating your incorrect number. Yes, they do show that UWEC on average has played before bigger crowds at road games than at home games. So far...
My numbers were what the WIAC had on their website at the time of my post, just like I told you in my last post.
QuoteI am not attempting to suggest, nor imply, that the road totals are less than the home totals. You have inferred incorrectly. I merely added the three neutral games to the total of the roads, to show what the average crowd size is for the games that have been played outside of Zorn arena. They are on the road, which is what I stated, but are not considered "road games."
Neutral game sites were totally irrelevant to the topic. You chose to do so and posted this:
QuoteSo, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...
If you had no intent to suggest or imply, why even bring the topic up, much less post the average attendance if those numbers were inclueded? The inference was crystal clear.
QuoteWill UWEC get a home game? Yep. As many as possible is the team goal...
They may. But it's not guaranteed. You have to play four other teams that are fighting to play at least one WIAC Tourney game on their home court. Those four teams just might have a different opinion.
QuoteYou were the one to first raise the attendance figures, not me... ;)
Let's get this straight... You posted this:
QuoteGood crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...
Then I posted this:
QuoteGetting the fans in the stands is important. It let's the teams know that they have support!!! Nothing worse than playing in a (virtually) empty fieldhouse.
And then in the spirit of your post, I took the time to post the YTD attendance numbers (alphabetically) for all teams in the WIAC.
It was you who then posted attendance numbers going back 1999, and the only reason was to strut past history, because as your post (back on page 76) documented that EC attendance has declined since your "glory days".
Did I tweak you with the home/road numbers for EC in that recent post? Sure I did. If you'd just accepted the friendly tweak, there'd be a lot less words posted on this board right now.
But just like last time, you totally overreacted.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
...And this is how battles start.
I think you guys NOW need to compare the numbers of students in the school, as well as the population of the home city (in which the university resides) and create some formula that figures the average attendance at home games against the two other statistics, so we all have an idea if attendance has to do with fan BASE or fan-aticism. You'll probably also have to factor in the number of alternate activities on the nights of the game and the number of major exams and papers due on those dates and days immediately following. I think these are all very important considerations, because they all affect the numbers of people in attendance at home games. For away games, distance and several of the 'home game' factors could come into play.
Start your engines, and good luck.
I think you guys NOW need to compare the numbers of students in the school, as well as the population of the home city (in which the university resides) and create some formula that figures the average attendance at home games against the two other statistics, so we all have an idea if attendance has to do with fan BASE or fan-aticism. You'll probably also have to factor in the number of alternate activities on the nights of the game and the number of major exams and papers due on those dates and days immediately following. I think these are all very important considerations, because they all affect the numbers of people in attendance at home games. For away games, distance and several of the 'home game' factors could come into play.
Start your engines, and good luck.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 31, 2007, 10:14:14 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 31, 2007, 10:14:14 AM
1. What was the whole point of this argument anyway? (Please don't answer that. I don't really want to know.)
2. Didn't the Stout/Eau Claire game take place almost a week ago? That's like six months in basketball season time. Let's move on.
2. Didn't the Stout/Eau Claire game take place almost a week ago? That's like six months in basketball season time. Let's move on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
Hey, I was ready to move on a long time ago...;)
We've got a fresh round of WIAC games to look forward to tonight!!! ;D
Several have some real implications on the WIAC standings:
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-La Crosse
UW-Platteville @ UW-Whitewater
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Stout @ UW-River Falls
Superior has the bye.
We've got a fresh round of WIAC games to look forward to tonight!!! ;D
Several have some real implications on the WIAC standings:
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-La Crosse
UW-Platteville @ UW-Whitewater
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Stout @ UW-River Falls
Superior has the bye.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 11:27:30 AM
Post by: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 11:27:30 AM
Superior played--and lost--last night in Ashland. Downhill slide. I don't even much remember the up...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 31, 2007, 06:59:58 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 31, 2007, 06:59:58 PM
For the rest of you who don't want to read all the hot air, here's your advance warning. Pass this one on by...
Hey Champ -
Here's the sequence:
Funny how I make a general comment about the good fan support at UWEC, which is an opinion based on the stats, but I didn't include that number in my comment. I was merely stating how I was hoping the students, who were now back in session, would come out for our rematch to avenge our earlier loss at UWL.
But you are the one who likes stats so much. So you took that comment a step further, posting the actual league averages for this year. You were the one who brought out the stats. Not me. And I then posted the numbers since 1999, providing a league perspective of things, and giving both Stout and UWEC credit for the great crowds they have drawn.
And sorry, but the fact is I didn't make any reference to the attendance at UWEC dwindling at UWEC since the "glory days." Go back and see who did.
Was not me. But you thought it was, and had to tweak me, as you say, with information that was incorrect, about UWEC "road" games outdrawing home games.
So, being the stat guy that you are, I gave you the correct one, and told you where you made your mistake, told you I am aware that road game totals don't include neutrals, but also threw in a bonus stat - the attendance UWEC has averaged per game outside of Zorn, realizing they included netural sites... So, you can tweak me, but I guess I can't tweak you back?
You claim those are irrelevant numbers, and yet throw in your stats about Oshkosh vs. Point game attendances in those two sites???, which are irrelavant to the UWEC discussion, which was about how they should probably draw well at their next two games against those teams....
Please don't say I've overreated to all of this... You are the one who seems to want every opinion backed up with stats, which you did when I gave my opinion about the 'Golds D vs. Stout, based on what I've seen. That's what intially stirred the pot. So, now, when I give you stats, you overreact?
Oh. Hey. Almost 6. I gotta get going so I can get my seat at Zorn! :D
Hey Champ -
Here's the sequence:
Funny how I make a general comment about the good fan support at UWEC, which is an opinion based on the stats, but I didn't include that number in my comment. I was merely stating how I was hoping the students, who were now back in session, would come out for our rematch to avenge our earlier loss at UWL.
But you are the one who likes stats so much. So you took that comment a step further, posting the actual league averages for this year. You were the one who brought out the stats. Not me. And I then posted the numbers since 1999, providing a league perspective of things, and giving both Stout and UWEC credit for the great crowds they have drawn.
And sorry, but the fact is I didn't make any reference to the attendance at UWEC dwindling at UWEC since the "glory days." Go back and see who did.
Was not me. But you thought it was, and had to tweak me, as you say, with information that was incorrect, about UWEC "road" games outdrawing home games.
So, being the stat guy that you are, I gave you the correct one, and told you where you made your mistake, told you I am aware that road game totals don't include neutrals, but also threw in a bonus stat - the attendance UWEC has averaged per game outside of Zorn, realizing they included netural sites... So, you can tweak me, but I guess I can't tweak you back?
You claim those are irrelevant numbers, and yet throw in your stats about Oshkosh vs. Point game attendances in those two sites???, which are irrelavant to the UWEC discussion, which was about how they should probably draw well at their next two games against those teams....
Please don't say I've overreated to all of this... You are the one who seems to want every opinion backed up with stats, which you did when I gave my opinion about the 'Golds D vs. Stout, based on what I've seen. That's what intially stirred the pot. So, now, when I give you stats, you overreact?
Oh. Hey. Almost 6. I gotta get going so I can get my seat at Zorn! :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 31, 2007, 10:15:11 PM
Post by: buf on January 31, 2007, 10:15:11 PM
UWEC over Point 60-51.
Tight game the whole way until the last minute when EC pulled away. Ashley Anderson had a big 1st half and Burns took over in the 2nd. She (Burns) made 3 or 4 shots in consecutive trips down the floor. The odd thing was that they were all over 15 feet, including a 3. Houghton got hot in the middle of the 2nd half, nailing 2 or 3 3s in a matter of a couple minutes.
Tight game the whole way until the last minute when EC pulled away. Ashley Anderson had a big 1st half and Burns took over in the 2nd. She (Burns) made 3 or 4 shots in consecutive trips down the floor. The odd thing was that they were all over 15 feet, including a 3. Houghton got hot in the middle of the 2nd half, nailing 2 or 3 3s in a matter of a couple minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 10:25:05 PM
Post by: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 10:25:05 PM
Stout women don't show up until game is almost over; River Falls starts without them. Perhaps schedules were wrong...time zones? miscalculated travel time? arrived at the airport a day late?
What a time to make a bold prediction. Beer and schnitzel on me.
What a time to make a bold prediction. Beer and schnitzel on me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 31, 2007, 10:40:07 PM
Post by: buf on January 31, 2007, 10:40:07 PM
Tonights results:
1/31/07 UW-La Crosse 57, UW-Oshkosh 51
1/31/07 UW-Whitewater 76, UW-Platteville 75
1/31/07 UW-Eau Claire 60, UW-Stevens Point 51
1/31/07 UW-River Falls 79, UW-Stout 68
What an up and down team RF has been this year. They start off pretty well, then lose to some poor teams, and know they are on a roll. Entering the season, I thought that they were going to be good since they have 5 senior starters I believe. Now it finally looks like that senior leadership is showing up.
A bitter sweet night for this EC fan. EC wins but the other conference teams that I wanted to lose all win.
1/31/07 UW-La Crosse 57, UW-Oshkosh 51
1/31/07 UW-Whitewater 76, UW-Platteville 75
1/31/07 UW-Eau Claire 60, UW-Stevens Point 51
1/31/07 UW-River Falls 79, UW-Stout 68
What an up and down team RF has been this year. They start off pretty well, then lose to some poor teams, and know they are on a roll. Entering the season, I thought that they were going to be good since they have 5 senior starters I believe. Now it finally looks like that senior leadership is showing up.
A bitter sweet night for this EC fan. EC wins but the other conference teams that I wanted to lose all win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2007, 10:57:57 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2007, 10:57:57 PM
WHITEWATER blows a 22 point lead with 14 minutes remaining but wins by a point, 76-75, when Dana Thompson powers her way to the hoop and scores with less than 15 seconds remaining. Platteville gets two more shots at the basket but both miss. Bizarre game marred by a combined 58 turnovers. When the weren't turning it over WW shot 49% from the field. Hiedi Sontag led five WARHAWK scorers in double figures with 16 points including 3-5 from beyond the arch. Tiffany Morton finished with 13 points, Nicole Bundy with 11 points, Lindsey Buechner and Dana Thompson with 10 points apiece. Buechner led the team in rebounds with 9. Morton had 7 and Thompson 6.
Platteville was led by Lisa Brantman with 20 points and Lisa Wubben with 8 rebounds.
It wasn't the kind of win that mades a coach very happy but a win is a win and this is one that was absolutely critical. To put it in perspective all you have to do is think about how rotten you'd feel if you blew a 22 point lead and lost.
Platteville was led by Lisa Brantman with 20 points and Lisa Wubben with 8 rebounds.
It wasn't the kind of win that mades a coach very happy but a win is a win and this is one that was absolutely critical. To put it in perspective all you have to do is think about how rotten you'd feel if you blew a 22 point lead and lost.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2007, 12:04:17 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2007, 12:04:17 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 10:25:05 PM
Stout women don't show up until game is almost over; River Falls starts without them. Perhaps schedules were wrong...time zones? miscalculated travel time? arrived at the airport a day late?
What a time to make a bold prediction. Beer and schnitzel on me.
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss
You know, there needs to be a silver lining in every loss, don't you think, Foul Language??
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 01, 2007, 09:15:41 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 01, 2007, 09:15:41 AM
Quotethere needs to be a silver lining in every loss
Or, in this case, more of a dusky malt glow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 01, 2007, 10:03:55 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 01, 2007, 10:03:55 AM
To Badgerwarhawk: + karma for your fine report. I was really surprized how close it was. Surprized about RF upsetting Stout. Just my luck that RF is playing well when they play my beloved Pioneers, both men and women. PS: Both UWEC and Stout have great attendence. no need for futher comment? God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2007, 10:15:21 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2007, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: foul_language on January 31, 2007, 10:25:05 PM
Stout women don't show up until game is almost over; River Falls starts without them. Perhaps schedules were wrong...time zones? miscalculated travel time? arrived at the airport a day late?
What a time to make a bold prediction. Beer and schnitzel on me.
FL. Stout not showing up until later is an understatement. RF got every loose ball, did whatever they wanted on offense, and really controlled the game. Stout's intensity really picked up in second half but they continued to shoot poorly(2-14) from 3 point range and got outrebounded 39-32. RF played very well. Stout didn't. End of story. How will this game affect where Stout ends up in the conference? It won't change a thing.
Saw something I have never seen in all my years of watching basketball. Duoss gets called for 3 fouls while exactly 2 seconds run off the clock.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 01, 2007, 10:39:37 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 01, 2007, 10:39:37 AM
I thought Stout had a combination/answer for everything. Apparently, with only 20 on the roster, the only thing they couldn't fix was their own dismal performance. So, it looks like River Falls came ready and eager to play, while Stout came ready to win, not necessarily to play. A full half of being outplayed, out-thought, out-hustled, out-shot must have been too much for even an inspired half-time talk. I wish I had video of that, by the way.
T always used to say, though, that he couldn't win in River Falls. I figured that jinx had been dispatched. RF is definitely impressive to watch, if you can get past the part about them beating the snot out of your team.
T always used to say, though, that he couldn't win in River Falls. I figured that jinx had been dispatched. RF is definitely impressive to watch, if you can get past the part about them beating the snot out of your team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 01, 2007, 11:11:31 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 01, 2007, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 01, 2007, 10:15:21 AMSaw something I have never seen in all my years of watching basketball. Duoss gets called for 3 fouls while exactly 2 seconds run off the clock.
If it weren't so ludicrous, it'd be funny...
65 combined FT's last night. It wasn't a pretty game. And FWIW, before anyone accuses me of totally blaming the officials - the FT's were pretty evenly split.
Neither team could figure out what the ref's considered a foul. RF had the only player that fouled out, so can't blame that for the Lady Blue Devils poor performance.
I posted before this game that RF was the best defensive team we've faced all year - and I stand by that statement. We sank as many FT's as we did baskets from the field... >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2007, 12:09:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2007, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 01, 2007, 10:03:55 AM
To Badgerwarhawk: + karma for your fine report. I was really surprized how close it was. Surprized about RF upsetting Stout. Just my luck that RF is playing well when they play my beloved Pioneers, both men and women. PS: Both UWEC and Stout have great attendence. no need for futher comment? God Bless!
I thought we were going to blow them to kingdom come. But to their credit they never quit playing and when their shots started dropping and ours didn't and we kept turning the ball over they just kept going at it and before you knew it the lead was gone, Wisdom was completing a three-point play and Platteville was looking at the upset.
I really thought it a positive sign of our younger players maturing when we were able to handle the pressure, get the ball where it needed to be and finish w/ the W. Today that's all that really matters.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 02, 2007, 04:56:37 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 02, 2007, 04:56:37 PM
It's so quiet I was beginning to think the WIAC site had been shut down. Is there nothing left to say?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2007, 07:02:07 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2007, 07:02:07 AM
I won't be able to go over to UWO today - it's our "family" Christmas today.
Oshkosh can be a tough place to play, so the Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils had better be ready for a hard fought game.
EC has the bye, so with Superior traveling to WW today, we could possibly have a tie for second place in the WIAC after today.
Point and LaCrosse do battle, so one of the two will hit the 6 loss mark - something neither wants to do.
And finally, River at Platteville. River can't afford a letdown after their big win on Wednesday, or they will hit the 6 loss mark.
All I can say is...
Oshkosh can be a tough place to play, so the Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils had better be ready for a hard fought game.
EC has the bye, so with Superior traveling to WW today, we could possibly have a tie for second place in the WIAC after today.
Point and LaCrosse do battle, so one of the two will hit the 6 loss mark - something neither wants to do.
And finally, River at Platteville. River can't afford a letdown after their big win on Wednesday, or they will hit the 6 loss mark.
All I can say is...
Go BLUE DEVILS!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 03, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 03, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Ya I am not goint to make it so will have to listen to stoutguy I guess
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 03, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 03, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
TTV Sports will be broadcasting the Stout/Oshkosh game via Stream.
Visit titans.uwosh.edu (http://titans.uwosh.edu) and click on Live Video
Or you can listen to me calling the game for WRST @ www.uwosh.edu/wrst (http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst)
Visit titans.uwosh.edu (http://titans.uwosh.edu) and click on Live Video
Or you can listen to me calling the game for WRST @ www.uwosh.edu/wrst (http://www.uwosh.edu/wrst)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2007, 04:06:48 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2007, 04:06:48 PM
Point vs. Lax video streaming: http://www.ifan.tv/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 03, 2007, 04:09:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 03, 2007, 04:09:43 PM
You just beat me to that Just Bill. I just posted a link on the men's site.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2007, 04:25:32 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2007, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: buf on February 03, 2007, 04:09:43 PMI know. Where do you think I copied it from? ;D
You just beat me to that Just Bill. I just posted a link on the men's site.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 03, 2007, 10:03:11 PM
Post by: buf on February 03, 2007, 10:03:11 PM
UWO gets crushed at home against Stout 70-45.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 09:13:39 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: buf on February 03, 2007, 10:03:11 PM
UWO gets crushed at home against Stout 70-45.
When I got home last late last night, all I did was check the score - and yes, I was a happy camper!!!
Joanna Bird hit a pair of 3 pointers and a layup to start the game, giving Stout a 8 - 0 lead. Kelsey Duoss scored 7 points, had 6 rebounds and 6 blocked shots in the first half.
The Stout D held UWO to 22.6% shooting in the first half, of course 9 blocked shots out of 31 attempts will help that. Besides Duoss' 6 blocks, Char Edwards, Kim Stokke, and 5'3" Amanda Geissler added 1 block each.
Coach T was able to clear his bench during the second half, with all 20 players getting at least 2 minutes of game time before the largest home crowd of the season at Kolf Center.
In the other games in the WIAC:
WW jumps out to a 32 - 20 lead in the first half against Superior, but then their shooting goes colder than the weather outside in the second half - shooting only 17.6% - but still escapes with a 6 point win. The victory lifts them to a tie for second place.
Must have been a thing for the home teams yesterday, because UWL and UWSP played to a 25 - 24 score in the first half in favor of the Pointers. Then the Lady Eagles shooting dropped nearly 17 percentage points in the second half - Pointers go home with a 62 - 49 win.
River Falls traveled down the MN/WI border to play the Pioneers in Platteville. The Falcons jumped out to a 36 - 24 lead in the first half, and finished out the game with a score of 61 - 48.
As a result of the evenings actions, we still have a logjam for 2nd/3rd in the WIAC. WW and EC are 8 - 4, while RF and Point are 8 - 5.
Wednesdays games may shake things our a little:
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-River Falls
UW-La Crosse @ UW-Platteville
UW-Superior @ UW-Stout
UW-Whitewater @ UW-Stevens Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 04, 2007, 10:07:10 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 04, 2007, 10:07:10 AM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 03, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Ya I am not goint to make it so will have to listen to stoutguy I guess
You should talk to my wife. She says that all the time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 04, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 04, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
-23 or something up here; I suspect it's cold all over. However, UW=Soup people's hearts are warmed by the unexpected win over Stout in hawkey last night. Yes, I realize this is a basketball board, but point me to the hockey board, OK?
Anyway, sort of kept up on the Stout-Oshkosh women's game via text messages from my daughter who was listening on the internet--thank god for technology--and she starts out with a message that says, "they only suited up ten players." I couldn't believe it. Turns out it was Oshkosh, a team that only has eleven on the roster. I thought there had been some kind of revolution in basketball rulings.
Sounds like Superior women played better than they did against many other teams, or Whitewater wasn't paying attention. I believe anything under a 12 point loss is a moral victory.
Anyway, sort of kept up on the Stout-Oshkosh women's game via text messages from my daughter who was listening on the internet--thank god for technology--and she starts out with a message that says, "they only suited up ten players." I couldn't believe it. Turns out it was Oshkosh, a team that only has eleven on the roster. I thought there had been some kind of revolution in basketball rulings.
Sounds like Superior women played better than they did against many other teams, or Whitewater wasn't paying attention. I believe anything under a 12 point loss is a moral victory.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 04:30:29 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 04, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
-23 or something up here; I suspect it's cold all over. However, UW=Soup people's hearts are warmed by the unexpected win over Stout in hawkey last night. Yes, I realize this is a basketball board, but point me to the hockey board, OK?
It was -16 below here this morning, and as I drove Mrs. Champ to the airport to head back to D.C., it was still -6 below...
That's a big win for the Soup town hockey team! If I told you where the hockey board was, I'd have to shoot you... ;) ;D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 04, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 04, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 04:30:29 PMQuote from: foul_language on February 04, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
-23 or something up here; I suspect it's cold all over. However, UW=Soup people's hearts are warmed by the unexpected win over Stout in hawkey last night. Yes, I realize this is a basketball board, but point me to the hockey board, OK?
It was -16 below here this morning, and as I drove Mrs. Champ to the airport to head back to D.C., it was still -6 below...
That's a big win for the Soup town hockey team! If I told you where the hockey board was, I'd have to shoot you... ;) ;D ;)
If I went on a hockey board, they would shoot me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 06:08:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2007, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 04, 2007, 05:47:15 PMIf I went on a hockey board, they would shoot me.
Well, growing up on the Iron Range, hockey was king for us.
How in the world I've become such a Women's BB junkie, I'll never know? ???
Although, I suspect Coach T might possibly have something to do with it... ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2007, 11:09:18 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2007, 11:09:18 PM
The WARHAWKS shoot very poorly, 28% for the game and 17% in the second half, but a 48-39 advantage on the boards, 22 offensive, a 18 to 27 advantage in turnovers and holding Moench to 6 points for the game allow them to escape with a 58-52 win over Superior Saturday afternoon. Trisha Thill, Lindsey Buechner and Nicole Bundy score double figures with 15, 14 and 11 points respectively. Tiffany Morton led WARHAWK rebounders with 7. Thill had 5 steals.
Breanna Herzog led the YellowJacket with a double-double 15 points and 14 rebounds.
The win, #15 (15-6, 8-4), set a career best single season win mark for head coach Keri Carollo and held the WARHAWKS' second place position.
Breanna Herzog led the YellowJacket with a double-double 15 points and 14 rebounds.
The win, #15 (15-6, 8-4), set a career best single season win mark for head coach Keri Carollo and held the WARHAWKS' second place position.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
QuoteThe WARHAWKS shoot very poorly, 28% for the game and 17% in the second half
OK. Was it poor shooting or UW-Superior's stifling defense? I've been impressed by Breeana Herzog a couple of times. Last year, I thought she was clumsy and did more damage than help. This year, she seems to have gotten some control and some spirit. She held up well against taller players when River Falls was here. I think she's come a long way.
Too bad someone didn't step up when Moench got shut down. There are certainly players capable of it. I think Superior is still a little tunnel-visioned. They figure out how to do something well, but then they miss other stuff. Ah well. Maybe next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 12:22:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 12:22:15 PM
Here is an update on my previous Pool C analysis. Stuff I copied from the last post is in italics:
Last year one team received a Pool C bid with 7 in-region losses. That was NYU with an in-region record of 18-7. Moravian (19-6), Bridgewater (22-6), Rochester (18-6) and Bates (18-6) got in with 6 in-region losses.
Based on last year, 7 regional losses would leave you hanging by an extremely thin thread, 6 in-region losses would put you firmly on the bubble, and 5 looks relatively solid as long as you've beaten a few good teams to keep your QOWI up.
Here are the regional records for the WIAC as of today:
Stout - 17-2
Stevens Point - 13-5
Whitewater - 13-5
Eau Claire - 11-5
River Falls - 11-7
La Crosse, Oshkosh, Platteville and Superior all have at least 8 regional losses.
Remember that if we are discussing a Pool C bid, we have to assume 1 loss in the WIAC Tournament.
Stout still should be a Pool C lock.
Huge Point/Whitewater game. The winner has a chance, especially if Point wins since they still get one more regular season crack at Stout for a chance to boost their resume. The team that loses will be looking at having 7 in-region losses (including the assumed loss in the WIAC Tournament). That's going to be very hairy, especially if you don't have any wins over a regionally ranked opponent (like Stout). Even the winner will probably have to run the table all the way to the tourney championship game, and even then they can't feel safe.
Eau Claire is still hanging in there, but really needs to run the table to the WIAC Tournament championship game in order to go to Selection Sunday with just 6 in-region losses. Their in-region win percentage is a bit lower than Point or WW since they've played two fewer in-region games.
River Falls gets mentioned since they beat Stout this week, but 8 regional losses probably won't do it.
La Crosse fell off the radar this week with that loss to Point.
I'd say the only sure way to get two teams into the NCAA is if Stout loses in the WIAC Tournament. Any Pool C possibility for anyone other than Stout is a long shot.
Last year one team received a Pool C bid with 7 in-region losses. That was NYU with an in-region record of 18-7. Moravian (19-6), Bridgewater (22-6), Rochester (18-6) and Bates (18-6) got in with 6 in-region losses.
Based on last year, 7 regional losses would leave you hanging by an extremely thin thread, 6 in-region losses would put you firmly on the bubble, and 5 looks relatively solid as long as you've beaten a few good teams to keep your QOWI up.
Here are the regional records for the WIAC as of today:
Stout - 17-2
Stevens Point - 13-5
Whitewater - 13-5
Eau Claire - 11-5
River Falls - 11-7
La Crosse, Oshkosh, Platteville and Superior all have at least 8 regional losses.
Remember that if we are discussing a Pool C bid, we have to assume 1 loss in the WIAC Tournament.
Stout still should be a Pool C lock.
Huge Point/Whitewater game. The winner has a chance, especially if Point wins since they still get one more regular season crack at Stout for a chance to boost their resume. The team that loses will be looking at having 7 in-region losses (including the assumed loss in the WIAC Tournament). That's going to be very hairy, especially if you don't have any wins over a regionally ranked opponent (like Stout). Even the winner will probably have to run the table all the way to the tourney championship game, and even then they can't feel safe.
Eau Claire is still hanging in there, but really needs to run the table to the WIAC Tournament championship game in order to go to Selection Sunday with just 6 in-region losses. Their in-region win percentage is a bit lower than Point or WW since they've played two fewer in-region games.
River Falls gets mentioned since they beat Stout this week, but 8 regional losses probably won't do it.
La Crosse fell off the radar this week with that loss to Point.
I'd say the only sure way to get two teams into the NCAA is if Stout loses in the WIAC Tournament. Any Pool C possibility for anyone other than Stout is a long shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 01:54:44 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 01:54:44 PM
Has women's WIAC ever had more than one team in play-offs? Seems like any multiple from a single conference usually come from out East. I haven't really studied this; it's just an impression.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2007, 01:57:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2007, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
OK. Was it poor shooting or UW-Superior's stifling defense? I've been impressed by Breeana Herzog a couple of times. Last year, I thought she was clumsy and did more damage than help. This year, she seems to have gotten some control and some spirit. She held up well against taller players when River Falls was here. I think she's come a long way.
Too bad someone didn't step up when Moench got shut down. There are certainly players capable of it. I think Superior is still a little tunnel-visioned. They figure out how to do something well, but then they miss other stuff. Ah well. Maybe next year.
As is typical in most cases it was probably a combination of the two though I wouldn't call Superior's defense "stifling." They played hard but we missed a bunch of good looks too. I don't recall Herzog from last year so I don't really know if she's any better or not. She is bulky, plays physically and had a knack for being in the right place at the right time to scarf up some loose balls around the basket and converted them into scores. I don't know if she does that on a regular basis but it seemed she did step up and kept Superior in the game. But 29 turnovers is pretty much going to get you beat unless your opponent is playing worse. We played poorly but not worse. Dominating the offensive rebounds and nine fewer turnovers gave us a lot more shots (65-49).
Wednesday's game is huge but so are the other three. As a program we can take a big step forward this year but we've got to learn to win games in places like Point to do it. We've played down to the competition the past two games and managed to win. If we don't play up to it in Point I doubt that will happen.
It seems to me that we have had more than one team in the NCAA tournament in the recent past but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 05, 2007, 02:25:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 05, 2007, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 01:54:44 PM
Has women's WIAC ever had more than one team in play-offs? Seems like any multiple from a single conference usually come from out East. I haven't really studied this; it's just an impression.
Yes, I think there has been 4 teams in the tournament either once or twice. Back in the 90s, I believe, the tournament temporarily expanded to 64 teams, without AQs bids??
The problem is that the WIAC has a number of good teams year in and year out throughout the conference. As a result, the 2nd and 3rd place teams have more losses than lets say a conference with only a couple good teams. In these types of conferences, the top teams just usually lose to each other. The mid to lower teams very rarely get wins over the top teams. As a result, the top teams only have 2 or 3 losses. In the WIAC, it is very uncommon to see the 2nd or 3rd place team with only 2 or 3 losses, it is usually something like 5 or 6 losses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 02:43:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 01:54:44 PM
Has women's WIAC ever had more than one team in play-offs? Seems like any multiple from a single conference usually come from out East. I haven't really studied this; it's just an impression.
Years with two (or more) WIAC teams in the NCAAs: 2002, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997 (3), 1996 (3), 1995 (4), 1994 (3), 1993 (3), 1992 (3), 1991, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1984, 1983.
The current Pool system was started in 2000. The most recent bracket expansion (to 63 teams) was in 2006.
As you can see the WIAC was able to get multiple teams in before the current Pool system was implemented. Additionally, before the Pool system, at-large's were chosen on a strictly regional basis and not nationally as they are now. That was a plus for the WIAC as well.
I believe the UAA put four in last year (and may do so again).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 02:47:32 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 02:47:32 PM
The current Pools system was started in 2000.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 02:51:38 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 02:47:32 PMThanks for the correction. It's been edited.
The current Pools system was started in 2000.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 05, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
Quotethough I wouldn't call Superior's defense "stifling."
I wouldn't, really, either.
Herzog I think usually had as many fouls as minutes in a game in the past. I think Mulhern has probably made a difference. I suspect past coaching has been weak, at best. Nice enough people but not able to look at what he or she has and figure out how to put it together to make a picture; better yet, see what's available and then go out to fill in the holes. Mostly, Superior seems to have been holes. That was more a reflection on the coaching, though, than the actual talent. I think there have always been decent players on the team; unfortunately, they've been largely unsupported and undirected. I hope that given a couple of years of recruiting and capable coaching, Superior will be able to gain some WIAC parity.
How long does it take to turn a program around? I hope it happens in my lifetime. Unfortunately, some of the turn-around will rely on decent support from administration. I have no faith in the UW-Superior administration. They're so into facade, they' probably suggest cardboard cutouts of D1 stars.
Oh, now this cold is just making me crazy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2007, 05:37:45 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2007, 05:37:45 PM
Quote from: buf on February 05, 2007, 02:25:05 PMThe problem is that the WIAC has a number of good teams year in and year out throughout the conference. As a result, the 2nd and 3rd place teams have more losses than lets say a conference with only a couple good teams. In these types of conferences, the top teams just usually lose to each other. The mid to lower teams very rarely get wins over the top teams. As a result, the top teams only have 2 or 3 losses. In the WIAC, it is very uncommon to see the 2nd or 3rd place team with only 2 or 3 losses, it is usually something like 5 or 6 losses.
This is one of the reasons that some of the WIAC teams make a point of only scheduling non-conference regional games against "cupcakes", and any tougher opponents are scheduled as home games. They simply won't travel long distances to play tougher DIII teams on the road.
Two schools of thought on this strategy:
1. Your regional losses can be minimized by "cupcakes" and not playing any of the tougher teams on the road, if you play any at all.
2. Your team will benefit by playing a higher level of competition, and will play stronger against the other WIAC teams.
Which is the better strategy will always be a topic of discussion.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2007, 12:50:37 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2007, 12:50:37 PM
Conference Tourney
1 Stout 11-2
8 Platteville 2-10
4 River Falls 8-5
5 Stevens Point 7-5
3 Whitewater 8-4
6 La Crosse 7-6
2 Eau Claire 8-4
7 Oshkosh 4-9
1 Stout 11-2
8 Platteville 2-10
4 River Falls 8-5
5 Stevens Point 7-5
3 Whitewater 8-4
6 La Crosse 7-6
2 Eau Claire 8-4
7 Oshkosh 4-9
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on February 06, 2007, 12:50:37 PM
Conference Tourney
1 Stout 11-2
8 Platteville 2-10
4 River Falls 8-5
5 Stevens Point 7-5
3 Whitewater 8-4
6 La Crosse 7-6
2 Eau Claire 8-4
7 Oshkosh 4-9
Still a logjam in the 4/5 loss category, and with EC playing River and WW playing Point it's possible that we'd have three teams tied at 8 - 5, and River would leap from the #4 seed to the #2 seed with a 9 - 5 record...
I'm not predicting wins or losses for anyone here - just pointing out that #2 - #5 seeds are a tossup at this time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
WHITEWATER controls our own destiny and whatever spot we end up in was a matter of our own doing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 02:47:44 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
WHITEWATER controls our own destiny and whatever spot we end up in was a matter of our own doing.
So, just win baby, just win... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 06:51:45 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 06:51:45 PM
Regional Rankings
Central
1 Illinois Wesleyan 17-0 19-1
2 UW-Stout 17-3 18-4
3 Lake Forest 15-1 17-2
4 Carroll 17-3 17-3
5 Chicago 14-4 16-4
6 Washington U. 12-4 15-5
Central
1 Illinois Wesleyan 17-0 19-1
2 UW-Stout 17-3 18-4
3 Lake Forest 15-1 17-2
4 Carroll 17-3 17-3
5 Chicago 14-4 16-4
6 Washington U. 12-4 15-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 07:37:45 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 07:37:45 PM
On the D3 Hoops Top 25, Stout falls 2 spots to #12 due to the loss at River Falls last Wednesday.
No other WIAC team in the Top 25, but UWW is still listed as getting votes.
As my job took me west to Mankato today, instead of east, I'll be watching the game on the internet feed tonight... :(
No other WIAC team in the Top 25, but UWW is still listed as getting votes.
As my job took me west to Mankato today, instead of east, I'll be watching the game on the internet feed tonight... :(
Go LADY DEVILS!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 07, 2007, 08:48:21 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 07, 2007, 08:48:21 PM
whitewater up 27-25 at the half......any other scores???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 08:58:47 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 08:58:47 PM
Stout up 37 - 23 over Superior.
12 players for Stout already have minutes of game time, and 10 of the 12 have scored. Kelsey Duoss leads with 7, but Amanda Geissler and Savanah Oeltjen have 6 each. No surprise - Katie Moench leads the Yellowjackets with 10 points.
Stout's shooting 48.6% while Superior is hitting 35%.
12 players for Stout already have minutes of game time, and 10 of the 12 have scored. Kelsey Duoss leads with 7, but Amanda Geissler and Savanah Oeltjen have 6 each. No surprise - Katie Moench leads the Yellowjackets with 10 points.
Stout's shooting 48.6% while Superior is hitting 35%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 09:05:27 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 09:05:27 PM
anybody having trouble listening to the EC women's game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2007, 09:15:17 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2007, 09:15:17 PM
Point-WW tied at 34 with 13:48 to play.
Live Scoring: http://www.uwsp.edu/Athletics/wbb/live/XLIVE.HTM
UPDATE: Point on 11-0 run to go ahead 40-34 with 11:45 to go.
Live Scoring: http://www.uwsp.edu/Athletics/wbb/live/XLIVE.HTM
UPDATE: Point on 11-0 run to go ahead 40-34 with 11:45 to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:32:20 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:32:20 PM
Point 46 WW 45 at 7:55 remaining.
Looks like quite the battle!
Looks like quite the battle!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:34:55 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 09:05:27 PM
anybody having trouble listening to the EC women's game?
I tried at half time of the Stout game, but couldn't seem to get the feed.
Not interested in trying now while watching the Stout game on the net.
Why can't EC or RF do live stats??? >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2007, 09:42:36 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2007, 09:42:36 PM
WW 55, Point 51 with 2:11 to go.
UPDATE: WW pulling away with free throws 62-52 with 15 seconds to go.
UPDATE: Final, WW 62, Point 52.
UPDATE: WW pulling away with free throws 62-52 with 15 seconds to go.
UPDATE: Final, WW 62, Point 52.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:45:32 PM
Stout wins 79 - 51!
Back to Back to Back Conference Champions!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:47:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:47:05 PM
Less than a minute to go - WW up 59 - 52 over Point!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:50:31 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:50:31 PM
Got the RF radio feed now that the Stout game is done.
They didn't say what the score is, but RF is up by 9.
Why can't these announcers let you know what the score is?
They didn't say what the score is, but RF is up by 9.
Why can't these announcers let you know what the score is?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:54:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:54:32 PM
At the half, RF 30 - EC 21.
I forgot that this game started at 8:00 PM for some reason.
I forgot that this game started at 8:00 PM for some reason.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:57:03 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:57:03 PM
Final Score WW 62 - Point 52.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:59:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:59:01 PM
Platteville upsets LaCrosse 75 - 73.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2007, 10:00:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2007, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:54:32 PM
At the half, RF 30 - EC 21.
I forgot that this game started at 8:00 PM for some reason.
RF and EC played a doubleheader tonight instead of playing at opposite sites. The men started at 6:00 PM.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:04:07 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:04:07 PM
And then they started late at that...
EC's offense drives me absolutely nuts to watch.....all they do is waste time passing that ball around the perimeter. It's like watching high school instead of college. Very frustrating. They work way too hard and eat up the clock too much trying to work that ball in. Aaaaagh!
EC's offense drives me absolutely nuts to watch.....all they do is waste time passing that ball around the perimeter. It's like watching high school instead of college. Very frustrating. They work way too hard and eat up the clock too much trying to work that ball in. Aaaaagh!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:34:55 PMQuote from: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 09:05:27 PM
anybody having trouble listening to the EC women's game?
I tried at half time of the Stout game, but couldn't seem to get the feed.
Not interested in trying now while watching the Stout game on the net.
Why can't EC or RF do live stats??? >:(
I believe EC does do live stats at their home games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 09:50:31 PM
Got the RF radio feed now that the Stout game is done.
They didn't say what the score is, but RF is up by 9.
Why can't these announcers let you know what the score is?
They are River Falls announcers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:10:12 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 10:10:12 PM
This conference is crazy. There is no reason why EC shouldn't be winning this road game after beating a team like Stevens Point.
Here we go. Better have a better 2nd half.
Here we go. Better have a better 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:12:55 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:12:55 PM
I missed most of the 1st half but caught the announcers talking at the half. I guess EC was up 21-20 late in the half and RF went on a big run to end the half.
hoops-
EC plays so well at home, but on the road so bad. I really have no idea on why the huge difference.
hoops-
EC plays so well at home, but on the road so bad. I really have no idea on why the huge difference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
EC on a mini run down only by 2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:29:34 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:29:34 PM
Mugg hits 3, her third of 2nd half, to give EC a 1pt lead
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:36:47 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:36:47 PM
Mugg hits 3 to give EC 51-45 lead, however Prenier answers with a 3, EC by 3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:41:23 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:41:23 PM
Mugg hits 5th 3 to give EC a 2pt lead, REimann hits 2FTs, 54 all with 4min left. Turnover EC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:48:54 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:48:54 PM
56 all, 1min left, RF ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:53:42 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:53:42 PM
After RF turnover, Mugg hits 3, but then Prenier hits a wide open 3. Tied up with 7sec left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:54:55 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 10:54:55 PM
Going to OT
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:04:47 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:04:47 PM
RF up 1. Preiner just fouled out. EC shooting 2FTs. 2:20 left. EC makes 1 of 2. Tied game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:05:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:05:57 PM
Sorry to leave you posting by yourself buf.
Mrs. Champ just called from Texas and we were discussing the Stout game.
Mrs. Champ just called from Texas and we were discussing the Stout game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:06:52 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:06:52 PM
EC ball, still tied. Play getting sloppy on both sides.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:08:26 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:08:26 PM
3 by Mugg, her 7th, I believe. And I think all have come after the half. About 30sec left, EC by 3. Now guard the 3 line
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:10:49 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:10:49 PM
Cordes gets offensive rebound and put back. 66-65 EC with 18sec left. No turnovers and need to hit FTs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:12:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:12:43 PM
68-65 as Heidi A makes 2 FTs, 15sec left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
Congrats on Muggs for her 7 3s. A new EC record!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:15:30 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:15:30 PM
Cordes misses a 3. Burns at the line with 4 sec. Burns misses both, timeout RF, 2sec left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:16:03 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:16:03 PM
Burns misses two FT's to ice the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:17:02 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:17:02 PM
Cordes misses 3. EC wins!! Great game by Muggs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:17:38 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:17:38 PM
Congrats to the Blugolds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Champ-
I'm hoping for a Stout-EC meeting for the conference tourney championship. However, a lot of play left to go.
I'm hoping for a Stout-EC meeting for the conference tourney championship. However, a lot of play left to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 11:24:34 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 07, 2007, 11:24:34 PM
Buf- you were really working the boards hard. ;)
Now, that's what I'm talking about. More perimeter shooting from EC is what we need.
Great, great game lady bluegolds. WOW!
Now, that's what I'm talking about. More perimeter shooting from EC is what we need.
Great, great game lady bluegolds. WOW!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 07, 2007, 11:26:27 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 07, 2007, 11:26:27 PM
Final
UWEC 68 (15-7, 9-4), UWRF 65 (14-9, 8-6) in OT
Rachel Mueggenborg scores 24 off the bench, including a Blugold record seven three-pointers....
Muggsy and Preiner trade threes down the stretch in the final minute of regulation to send it to OT...
Conference standings:
Stout 12-2
UWEC 9-4
UWW 9-4
UWRF 8-6
Point 7-6
UWL 7-7
Oshkosh 4-9
Platteville 3-10
Superior 1-12
UWEC 68 (15-7, 9-4), UWRF 65 (14-9, 8-6) in OT
Rachel Mueggenborg scores 24 off the bench, including a Blugold record seven three-pointers....
Muggsy and Preiner trade threes down the stretch in the final minute of regulation to send it to OT...
Conference standings:
Stout 12-2
UWEC 9-4
UWW 9-4
UWRF 8-6
Point 7-6
UWL 7-7
Oshkosh 4-9
Platteville 3-10
Superior 1-12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:45:51 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Champ-
I'm hoping for a Stout-EC meeting for the conference tourney championship. However, a lot of play left to go.
That hasn't happened since the 2002-03 season and that game was at Zorn Arena. I was at that game, and rest assured, I didn't like the outcome!
I am cautiously optimistic that should our teams meet in the WIAC Tournament at all, it won't be at Zorn... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2007, 12:05:11 AM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2007, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 07, 2007, 11:45:51 PMThe only way I think it would end up at Zorn is if EC wins the rest of their regular season and if RF finishes 3rd. Too many games left to go. It looks like EC has a 2nd place battle with WW. And looking at the last game of the schedule, EC has to go to WW. A lot of ball yet to be played.Quote from: buf on February 07, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Champ-
I'm hoping for a Stout-EC meeting for the conference tourney championship. However, a lot of play left to go.
That hasn't happened since the 2002-03 season and that game was at Zorn Arena. I was at that game, and rest assured, I didn't like the outcome!
I am cautiously optimistic that should our teams meet in the WIAC Tournament at all, it won't be at Zorn... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 08:15:05 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 08:15:05 AM
Quote from: buf on February 08, 2007, 12:05:11 AMThe only way I think it would end up at Zorn is if EC wins the rest of their regular season and if RF finishes 3rd. Too many games left to go. It looks like EC has a 2nd place battle with WW. And looking at the last game of the schedule, EC has to go to WW. A lot of ball yet to be played.
The only way the WIAC Championship is at Zorn is if Stout loses out, EC wins out, and EC wins the tiebreaker. I haven't even tried to figure out the tiebreaker, but it appears you've conceded the Conference Title to Stout with the reference above to being in a battle for 2nd with WW.
For now, all I know for sure is that Stout has a piece of the Conference Title. I'm hoping for a W this Saturday to confirm it's not a shared title.
As you said, there is a lot of ball yet to be played. The most important games of the WIAC season start February 19th.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 08, 2007, 08:39:26 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 08, 2007, 08:39:26 AM
Several items: A little surprised by the UWStout vs O score. I know Stout is great, but how bad did O shoot. A report would be appreciated. How much has UWL fell. Most of the team returned. Did not attend the game, but what a performance by Liz Tesch. She had 36 points against a good UWL team. May not be as good as last year, but still solid! At this point how likely for UWW and UWEC to make the tournament. I think they are both worthy, but do they have too many loses. Nice Crowd at UWRF, 522. EC must have brought most of the crowd. I saw UWRF last Saturday. They are Dangerous, and could be the Dark Horse in the Tournament. i noticed they start a smaller and quicker lineup than the first time I saw them in RF. The Bluegolds beat a good team on the road, I know you EC fans have to be happy with this. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 08:56:08 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 08:56:08 AM
UWP
Kind of confused... ??? Stout played Superior last night, not UWO - we played them on Saturday. But both games were won by a large margin - UWO shot under 30%, with no 3 pointers. Superior shot better at 36.4%, but only took 44 shots.
UWL does seem to have fallen on hard times as of late.
UWEC and UWW still have to play each other, and who ever loses, most likely is virtually eliminated from the D3 tourney unless they win the WIAC tourney. Any other losses in their remaining schedules make a D3 bid even more unlikely.
The attendance at RF was 287 last night, not 522. River just can't seem to get a good crowd at home - despite having a very good team.
Kind of confused... ??? Stout played Superior last night, not UWO - we played them on Saturday. But both games were won by a large margin - UWO shot under 30%, with no 3 pointers. Superior shot better at 36.4%, but only took 44 shots.
UWL does seem to have fallen on hard times as of late.
UWEC and UWW still have to play each other, and who ever loses, most likely is virtually eliminated from the D3 tourney unless they win the WIAC tourney. Any other losses in their remaining schedules make a D3 bid even more unlikely.
The attendance at RF was 287 last night, not 522. River just can't seem to get a good crowd at home - despite having a very good team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 08:56:59 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 08:56:59 AM
Saturday's games:
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Platteville @ UW-Superior
UW-Stout @ UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater @ UW-River Falls
UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Eau Claire
UW-Platteville @ UW-Superior
UW-Stout @ UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater @ UW-River Falls
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 08, 2007, 09:12:29 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 08, 2007, 09:12:29 AM
Do you guys talk to yourself when you're alone?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 09:44:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2007, 09:44:30 AM
Quote from: Rico 21 on February 08, 2007, 09:12:29 AM
Do you guys talk to yourself when you're alone?
Sometimes... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
Huge win for the WARHAWKS last night. Their first in Point since January 2000. The first half was played very competitively. The WARHAWKS took the lead at the 16 minute mark and though they build it to as large as nine points they were never able to pull away and the half ended with them up by two, 27-25. Stevens Point regained the lead 36-34 in the first seven minutes of the second half, built it a high of six points and held it for the next seven minutes of play. At that point a layup by Dana Thompson tied the game and after a Pointer turnover a jumper by Lindsey Buechner gave the lead back to the WARHAWKS for good 49-47. The WARHAWKS sealed the deal by going 6-8 from the free throw down the stretch. WW shot 50% from the floor in the second half while Point was held to 25% shooting.
Buechner, Tiffany Morton and Nicole Bundy led WW with 13 points apiece. Morton and Thompson finished with a team high 6 rebounds and Bundy was 3-5 from beyond the arch.
Great win but it only makes the game in River Falls more important. If the WARHAWKS want to accomplish what they set out to do we have to win these road games. Last night was a confidence booster but we can't let down Saturday.
Buechner, Tiffany Morton and Nicole Bundy led WW with 13 points apiece. Morton and Thompson finished with a team high 6 rebounds and Bundy was 3-5 from beyond the arch.
Great win but it only makes the game in River Falls more important. If the WARHAWKS want to accomplish what they set out to do we have to win these road games. Last night was a confidence booster but we can't let down Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 08, 2007, 10:18:06 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 08, 2007, 10:18:06 PM
Dear ChamP: I must have read the attendence for the mens game, not the womens game. i post on both the mens and womens sites! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 03:56:14 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 03:56:14 PM
Any body ready for some (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dordt.edu%2Fimages%2Fevents%2Fjhbc%2Fbasketball1.jpg&hash=7e0d6fb8e264ff9b5180d558f3ce3f2c53633bb0)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 10, 2007, 06:32:15 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 10, 2007, 06:32:15 PM
To Foul Language and other fans of UWS Basketball: Listened to the game on the radio today. Sounds like the Lady jackets shot the lights out and frustrated my Pioneers. Congragulations on a nice victory. Coach Combs, from UWP Men commented on the nice crowd. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2007, 06:34:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2007, 06:34:43 PM
WARHAWKS hold their share of second place with a solid 73-57 win over River Falls. River Falls scored the first five points of the game and led by as many as 11 points in the first 18 minutes of play. But WW rallied over the final two minutes. A steal, an old fashioned three point play and another three pointer all by Trisha Thill over the last 50 seconds of play pushed them into a 33-29 lead when the half ended. RF's kept the lead at two or four through the first four minutes of the second half but WW began to pull away and built leads in double digits after that. RF did get the lead under double figures but each time the WARHAWKS responded to push it back into a comfort zone.
WHITEWATER shoots 53% from the floor, including 8-17 from beyond the arch, against the best defense in the league (Champ's assessment, not necessarily mine ;)) and in their gym. Five WARHAWKS score in double figures led by Lindsey Buechner's 17 (Sara Moran 12 on 4 3's, Nicole Bundy and Thill 11 each and Dana Thompson 10) .
Excellent win, second straight on the road. WHITEWATER improves to 10-4 in league play and 17-6 overall. It's the program's highest win total since 1989.
WHITEWATER shoots 53% from the floor, including 8-17 from beyond the arch, against the best defense in the league (Champ's assessment, not necessarily mine ;)) and in their gym. Five WARHAWKS score in double figures led by Lindsey Buechner's 17 (Sara Moran 12 on 4 3's, Nicole Bundy and Thill 11 each and Dana Thompson 10) .
Excellent win, second straight on the road. WHITEWATER improves to 10-4 in league play and 17-6 overall. It's the program's highest win total since 1989.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
Congrats BW!!! That is a great win on the road against a very tough team.
Point's up by two over Stout, 37 - 35 at the half. Hopefully we're wearing them down for the second half - they've got 4 players with 2 fouls...
Point's up by two over Stout, 37 - 35 at the half. Hopefully we're wearing them down for the second half - they've got 4 players with 2 fouls...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 07:36:16 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 07:36:16 PM
Boy, visions of the River Falls game... :o
Jenny McDermid gets three fouls in about 30 seconds and is out of the game with 5. At River Falls, Kelsey Duoss got 3 fouls in 2 seconds... ???
With all the fouls, Point scores the first 7 points of the half.
Jenny McDermid gets three fouls in about 30 seconds and is out of the game with 5. At River Falls, Kelsey Duoss got 3 fouls in 2 seconds... ???
With all the fouls, Point scores the first 7 points of the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
POINTERS WIN!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 08:19:15 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2007, 08:19:15 PM
Quote from: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:17:48 PM
POINTERS WIN!!!!
Oeltjen's shot for the win rolls off the rim.... :(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:23:47 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:23:47 PM
Congrats to the Pointer Seniors on a win on Senior DAy. Looks like big games from Sporle, Neuenfeldt, and Kranz....Lechault had a big defensive day! Good to see Senior Becky Pepper getting a chance to contribute to a big win. Hopefully they can ride this momentum through the rest of the season....it is always a confidence booster to beat a team like Stout.
Sounded like an ugly game TO wise....20+ for both teams
Sounded like an ugly game TO wise....20+ for both teams
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:36:01 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 10, 2007, 08:36:01 PM
oh i forgot....
badgerwarhawk...I haven't been able to sit and read and post in a while but I wanted to say thanks for the clear up message...for some reason it says I can't send messages back, but I wanted to say thanks and I look forward to seeing her play in the future!
badgerwarhawk...I haven't been able to sit and read and post in a while but I wanted to say thanks for the clear up message...for some reason it says I can't send messages back, but I wanted to say thanks and I look forward to seeing her play in the future!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Superior put on a good show for parents today; Amanda Rounsville, with her own private cheering squad (me, included) played a nice game. Thank you, UWPSuper. It was a fun game to watch. Wins usually are.
Hawkey now, so can't spend a lot of time savoring the afternoon. Gotta put some cosmic energy into beating St Scholastica.
Surprised to see the beating River Falls took today. I figured they'd be posting wins for the rest of the season. That's the second time I've made that mistake in a week. Stout women choke on Point. I thought the cold day in hell was last week.
Hawkey now, so can't spend a lot of time savoring the afternoon. Gotta put some cosmic energy into beating St Scholastica.
Surprised to see the beating River Falls took today. I figured they'd be posting wins for the rest of the season. That's the second time I've made that mistake in a week. Stout women choke on Point. I thought the cold day in hell was last week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 10, 2007, 08:48:11 PM
Post by: buf on February 10, 2007, 08:48:11 PM
UWEC rolls over UWO by 23 points. The only life UWO had was late in the first half when they cut an 11pt EC lead down to 4. EC ended up leading by 7 at the half and ended up pulling away in the 2nd half. Pretty balanced effort from EC. Tyriver was clearly the best out there for UWO. Sharpee didn't play much at all and didn't even start. Knapp was absent for a lot of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
What's happened to Oshkosh? Are they short players? I mean, I know they have a small squad, but is it depleted even more? Last year, they played far better than they should have and I expected the same or better this season. Injuries? I haven't given them that much attention, I guess, so I apologize if this has been rehashed too many times already.
Have they just exhausted themselves? Playing at Zorn might have been difficult, too. Big crowd?
Have they just exhausted themselves? Playing at Zorn might have been difficult, too. Big crowd?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 10, 2007, 10:07:34 PM
Post by: buf on February 10, 2007, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
What's happened to Oshkosh? Are they short players? I mean, I know they have a small squad, but is it depleted even more? Last year, they played far better than they should have and I expected the same or better this season. Injuries? I haven't given them that much attention, I guess, so I apologize if this has been rehashed too many times already.
Have they just exhausted themselves? Playing at Zorn might have been difficult, too. Big crowd?
UWO basically has 3 good players (Knapp, Tyriver, Sharpee), after them talent wise there is a big drop. When those top 3 are not all playing well, its bad news for UWO. Also, I think they have had a couple injuries, but I'm not sure if those players would make much difference. I believe they are only suiting up 9 players. Some UWO posters in the past have been giving teams with many players (Stout) some grief, but this year I think that they have realized the benefit those teams have of having those extra players on the roster. For years, UWO has been only having about 12 players listed on their roster. They have gotten fortunate in the past where they haven't really needed more than 12. Part because of their slower style of play and part because they haven't had many injuries. However, that has all changed this year.
I will have to disagree with you a bit about last year's UWO squad. They had a lot of talent and good players (Eggers, Herrick, Okeef, Knapp, Tyriver). Personally, I thought that UWO had the best starting 5 last year. The only problem they had was depth via the bench and maybe getting used to a new coach. They finished about where I thought they would or maybe even a little lower than I predicted.
I do think that UWO has a good coach. She seems to do more in-game coaching this year compared to last year. However, I think that she will have to have a real good recruiting class for next year for UWO to compete with next year's top teams. But give her 2 or 3 years and I think she will have UWO competing for the conference title.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 10, 2007, 10:18:52 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 10, 2007, 10:18:52 PM
foul language -
Not sure what the deal is with Oshkosh; they only had nine players suited up. They were able to hang with the 'Golds to half, trailing only 31-24, if I recall correctly...
Titans shot well in the first half - 11-21, for 54 %, but the 'Golds have been outscoring teams in the second half, and clamped down on D,too, when the Titans shot only 8-22, for 36%. Not sure how much of all that may be attributed to the D, or expending energy to get out of the hole they dug, or if the 'Golds were just able to tire them out, since they only had four subs. Probably a bit of everything... Crowd was 900...
Whitney Tyriver led them with 13; Heidi Arciszewski had 13, while Michelle Burns had 11, with 7 boards, to lead UWEC. Brittanni Hakanson had a nice day on the boards, too, leading everyone with 8... Titans had 19 turnovers and were but 1-9 on threes, and 2-11 from the free throw stripe. 'Golds had 12 steals, and five threes, with Heather Witt having two big ones in the first half...
'Golds keep pace with Whitewater, at 10-4, and snapped a seven-game losing streak to Oshkosh. They have to travel to Superior on Wednesday... Last time these two teams met, the Jackets were coming off their win against UWL?, and a wedding, and now face the 'Golds with another W under their belts... It's Valentine's Day on Wednesday, so what's up your sleeve for this game, foul language? ;)
Not sure what the deal is with Oshkosh; they only had nine players suited up. They were able to hang with the 'Golds to half, trailing only 31-24, if I recall correctly...
Titans shot well in the first half - 11-21, for 54 %, but the 'Golds have been outscoring teams in the second half, and clamped down on D,too, when the Titans shot only 8-22, for 36%. Not sure how much of all that may be attributed to the D, or expending energy to get out of the hole they dug, or if the 'Golds were just able to tire them out, since they only had four subs. Probably a bit of everything... Crowd was 900...
Whitney Tyriver led them with 13; Heidi Arciszewski had 13, while Michelle Burns had 11, with 7 boards, to lead UWEC. Brittanni Hakanson had a nice day on the boards, too, leading everyone with 8... Titans had 19 turnovers and were but 1-9 on threes, and 2-11 from the free throw stripe. 'Golds had 12 steals, and five threes, with Heather Witt having two big ones in the first half...
'Golds keep pace with Whitewater, at 10-4, and snapped a seven-game losing streak to Oshkosh. They have to travel to Superior on Wednesday... Last time these two teams met, the Jackets were coming off their win against UWL?, and a wedding, and now face the 'Golds with another W under their belts... It's Valentine's Day on Wednesday, so what's up your sleeve for this game, foul language? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 10, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
I agree with you, Buf, about last year's squad. But, let's face it, five good players--certainly better than three good players--is still a pretty short team. Depth makes a big difference. I think they overachieved simply because after that terrific starting five, they were unremarkable. I suspect coaching had a lot to do with last year being as good as it was; making lemonade...
There has to be a tipping point for smaller being better. I think 12 might be too few; 20 too many. Three lines of decent players can be deadly; after that, you're talking excess--decadency.
Bulk--
Planning to send an embarrassing amount of chocolate to EC players. We want those women bloated and slow. Dark chocolate; good for their hearts...
There has to be a tipping point for smaller being better. I think 12 might be too few; 20 too many. Three lines of decent players can be deadly; after that, you're talking excess--decadency.
Bulk--
Planning to send an embarrassing amount of chocolate to EC players. We want those women bloated and slow. Dark chocolate; good for their hearts...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 11, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 11, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
In southwest WI it is beer for the horses and whiskey for the men! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 11, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 11, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Super77--
Do you know how the Nemitzes sort out? Steph played at Stout for four years, sister of Stasia (Stacia?), who played at P-Ville last year (might have played two years there). Is Vanessa a cousin?
P.S. I believe the southwest WI women do a bit of the whiskey, too.
Do you know how the Nemitzes sort out? Steph played at Stout for four years, sister of Stasia (Stacia?), who played at P-Ville last year (might have played two years there). Is Vanessa a cousin?
P.S. I believe the southwest WI women do a bit of the whiskey, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 12, 2007, 12:25:50 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 12, 2007, 12:25:50 AM
Don't forget Arin Lane in the mix...I think she'll be very productive next season for Oshkosh.
Things are going to look up next for the Titans. With Beth Garman coming back, Oshkosh will have a very forward heavy team. Lane, Abbitz, Garman, Sharpee gives Oshkosh 4 good post players.
Tyriver then can be moved into her more natural position at the 3 spot. Hopefully Jenna Southward will be able to improve over the offseason, and if Oshkosh can grab a solid freshman to help out with the point guard position, the Titans should be formidable.
Of course we're not done yet...I'm expecting some upsets in the conference tourney this year on the women's side.
Things are going to look up next for the Titans. With Beth Garman coming back, Oshkosh will have a very forward heavy team. Lane, Abbitz, Garman, Sharpee gives Oshkosh 4 good post players.
Tyriver then can be moved into her more natural position at the 3 spot. Hopefully Jenna Southward will be able to improve over the offseason, and if Oshkosh can grab a solid freshman to help out with the point guard position, the Titans should be formidable.
Of course we're not done yet...I'm expecting some upsets in the conference tourney this year on the women's side.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RealWIDeal on February 12, 2007, 10:46:53 AM
Post by: RealWIDeal on February 12, 2007, 10:46:53 AM
I can't see Oshkosh pulling off an upset with the way that they have been playing lately.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 12, 2007, 11:03:01 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 12, 2007, 11:03:01 AM
I think they would have a better shot of beating Whitewater on the road, than Eau Claire.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 12, 2007, 11:13:49 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 12, 2007, 11:13:49 AM
To FL: I believe all of them are sisters. I have meet the parents, but do not know them personally. The yougest shot some 3 pointers against you and made some. She does like to shoot, and is playing well as a Freshman. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: T.F. Guy on February 12, 2007, 03:21:34 PM
Post by: T.F. Guy on February 12, 2007, 03:21:34 PM
Just to clear up the Nemitz thing, they ARE sisters. Must have made for some interesting pick-up games in the driveway.
I've met their parents, and gave the father the obvious nickname: "Admiral."
I've met their parents, and gave the father the obvious nickname: "Admiral."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 14, 2007, 07:02:29 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 14, 2007, 07:02:29 PM
Just wanted to move WIAC board to the top of the list. Happy Valentine's Day.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 14, 2007, 07:46:06 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 14, 2007, 07:46:06 PM
Can I get some help in this? Isn't anyone out there?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 08:51:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 08:51:05 PM
EC up by 12 at the half over Superior
WW whipping UWO at the half
Point handling UWP
WW whipping UWO at the half
Point handling UWP
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 09:55:58 PM
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 09:55:58 PM
All of those teams I mentioned above that were leading at the half ended up winning comfortalby
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 10:12:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 10:12:05 PM
This week's regional rankings:
Central
1. Lake Forest 17-1 19-2, 10.778
2. UW-Stout 18-4 19-5, 11.714
3. Illinois Wesleyan 17-2 19-3, 10.632
4. Carroll 18-3 18-3, 10.650
5. Washington U. 14-4 17-5, 10.167
6. Chicago 15-5 17-5, 10.350
Central
1. Lake Forest 17-1 19-2, 10.778
2. UW-Stout 18-4 19-5, 11.714
3. Illinois Wesleyan 17-2 19-3, 10.632
4. Carroll 18-3 18-3, 10.650
5. Washington U. 14-4 17-5, 10.167
6. Chicago 15-5 17-5, 10.350
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2007, 10:16:56 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2007, 10:16:56 PM
How's this for irony? Assuming Point beats Superior on Saturday, Point would then host River Falls who has beaten them twice! How strange is it to host a team that has beaten you twice?
That must be the last possible team Point wants to see in the first round.
That must be the last possible team Point wants to see in the first round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 10:20:15 PM
Post by: buf on February 14, 2007, 10:20:15 PM
How about those Warhawks. They have been really impressive as of late. Huge game to determine the #2 seed (possibly #1) on Saturday when EC travels to WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2007, 10:24:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2007, 10:24:32 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 14, 2007, 10:16:56 PM
How's this for irony? Assuming Point beats Superior on Saturday, Point would then host River Falls who has beaten them twice! How strange is it to host a team that has beaten you twice?
That must be the last possible team Point wants to see in the first round.
I don't want to see River in the tourney either. This may be one of the few times I cheer for Point all season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2007, 10:27:36 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2007, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: buf on February 14, 2007, 10:20:15 PM
How about those Warhawks. They have been really impressive as of late. Huge game to determine the #2 seed (possibly #1) on Saturday when EC travels to WW.
Coach Keri's team has played very well all season, and I wish them nothing but the best. At least until such time as the Lady Warhawks come to Johnson Fieldhouse - if that should happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2007, 10:26:30 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2007, 10:26:30 AM
Superior served as thoughtful and accommodating hosts for last night's game against UWEC. EC, taking us up on our graciousness, blistered us. They must have been shooting 150% from everywhere, and I'm surprised there's any twine left on either basket.
Superior, on the other hand, most likely weren't seeing very well. We made a couple good stabs at getting into the game, but never really came closer than ten. In the end, I think we just pooped out. The bench, I believe, played admirably, especially for a bench. Even EC's 'big' women were making outside shots look easy. What's with that? The only thing that made me uncomfortable was a couple ECers habit of keeping their hands on the player they were guarding. I imagine it made the Superior player feel a little icky, too.
I do like Burns' composure on the court. She oozes leadership.
Ah, well. Next year.
Superior, on the other hand, most likely weren't seeing very well. We made a couple good stabs at getting into the game, but never really came closer than ten. In the end, I think we just pooped out. The bench, I believe, played admirably, especially for a bench. Even EC's 'big' women were making outside shots look easy. What's with that? The only thing that made me uncomfortable was a couple ECers habit of keeping their hands on the player they were guarding. I imagine it made the Superior player feel a little icky, too.
I do like Burns' composure on the court. She oozes leadership.
Ah, well. Next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2007, 11:17:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2007, 11:17:38 AM
Three for three on the road and the Eau Claire game for the second seed. That was what many of us have been hoping for. First sweep over the Titan in 20 seasons. Coach K's first win in the Kolf. It certainly was a big game and the Lady WARHAWKS passed it with flying colors.
WW scored first and never trailed building leads which stood in the neighborhood of 20 points at halftime and for the all but the final couple minutes of the game. It was undoubtedly WW's best game of the year in terms of ball control as only 5 turnovers were committed.
Hopefully we can keep this thing going with a win at home over Eau Claire Saturday. It's a great time to be peaking. Unfortunately I have to miss it, damned bowling Saturdays.
Unfortunately even if we did tie for the conference championship (fingers crossed) we can not obtain the #1 seed by virtue of Stout's sweep over us. We've never hosted a tournament game and we'll be very happy with the #2 if we're fortunate enough to even the score with the BluGold.
WW scored first and never trailed building leads which stood in the neighborhood of 20 points at halftime and for the all but the final couple minutes of the game. It was undoubtedly WW's best game of the year in terms of ball control as only 5 turnovers were committed.
Hopefully we can keep this thing going with a win at home over Eau Claire Saturday. It's a great time to be peaking. Unfortunately I have to miss it, damned bowling Saturdays.
Unfortunately even if we did tie for the conference championship (fingers crossed) we can not obtain the #1 seed by virtue of Stout's sweep over us. We've never hosted a tournament game and we'll be very happy with the #2 if we're fortunate enough to even the score with the BluGold.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2007, 12:17:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 15, 2007, 12:17:49 PM
River Falls beats LaCrosse by 13 in overtime? Did LaCrosse just leave the court after regulation? Didn't somebody tell them they had another five minutes? The second half of the season has been difficult for LaCrosse. Did they overachieve in the first half or did everyone else improve while LAX stagnated? Did LAX lose a key player or two? What did I miss.
This sounds a lot like my questions about Oshkosh. I should pay more attention outside Superior and Stout, I guess.
This sounds a lot like my questions about Oshkosh. I should pay more attention outside Superior and Stout, I guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 15, 2007, 02:27:49 PM
Post by: buf on February 15, 2007, 02:27:49 PM
BW-
Should be a good game on Saturday. Both WW and EC have been playing well. I would assume WW would be a slight favorite.
FL-
I think Lax returned all their players from last year. I have no idea why they are struggling so much in the 2nd half of the season.
Should be a good game on Saturday. Both WW and EC have been playing well. I would assume WW would be a slight favorite.
FL-
I think Lax returned all their players from last year. I have no idea why they are struggling so much in the 2nd half of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
I don't know who would be the favorite, buf. EC handled us up there. As you noted we're playing better now but so are they. I'm just glad that 1. the game means something significant to the program and 2. it's on our court.
Regrettably I have to miss it, damned bowling Saturdays. I suspect I'll be making frequent trips to the car to update myself via radio.
Regrettably I have to miss it, damned bowling Saturdays. I suspect I'll be making frequent trips to the car to update myself via radio.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 16, 2007, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 16, 2007, 09:38:00 AM
FL
I look forward to seeing a very meaningful game on Sat. Stout is in a position now of needing a win. Plain and simple. My guess is they will come out swinging and this one will be over early. I am also looking forward to post game brews because they will be on your tab. I love that. I will be interested in your daughter's take on the game and the upcoming tournament.
I look forward to seeing a very meaningful game on Sat. Stout is in a position now of needing a win. Plain and simple. My guess is they will come out swinging and this one will be over early. I am also looking forward to post game brews because they will be on your tab. I love that. I will be interested in your daughter's take on the game and the upcoming tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 16, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
Post by: hoops49 on February 16, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
EC needs some of their starters to step it up on their road games. That's been the problem all along.
We've got momentum right now....let's stick with it Lady Blugolds. We will win this road game.
We've got momentum right now....let's stick with it Lady Blugolds. We will win this road game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 16, 2007, 02:23:31 PM
Post by: buf on February 16, 2007, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on February 16, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
EC needs some of their starters to step it up on their road games. That's been the problem all along.
The bench has come up big lately. Muggs is hitting the 3s, Anderson is playing well inside, and a former bench player in Witt is also performing well.
An important key for EC is that Burns needs to stay out of foul trouble. Lately, it seems that she has picked up 2 first half fouls early in the half. EC needs her to play big minutes. I would also like to see Heidi A be more agressive in the 1st halves. She really turns it up in the 2nd halves.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PackerFan on February 16, 2007, 02:47:18 PM
Post by: PackerFan on February 16, 2007, 02:47:18 PM
In regards to LaX vs. RF - First of all LaX could not hit a basket most of the first half and turned the ball over left and right. They managed to fight back to get the game into OT, but by the end of the second half LaX had two starters fouled out of the game which I think hurt them in OT. The officiating in this leauge is so terrible and inconsistent. They are not the reason LaX lost, but they certainly did not help. RF is a good team - they fought till the end and they won.
I think LaX has a lot of talent, but they often get out coached. Coach Heeren calls timeouts at times when her team has momentum going their way and doesn't call timeouts when the team is clearly struggling. I don't get it. Look at what happened against Superior...LaX was up by one with 7 seconds left and Superior had no timeouts, what does Lois do? She calls a timeout, giving Superior time to set up a play which they ended up scoring on to win the game! ??? On top of that her substituting is very questionable and I've heard she's not much of a motivator.
I think LaX has a lot of talent, but they often get out coached. Coach Heeren calls timeouts at times when her team has momentum going their way and doesn't call timeouts when the team is clearly struggling. I don't get it. Look at what happened against Superior...LaX was up by one with 7 seconds left and Superior had no timeouts, what does Lois do? She calls a timeout, giving Superior time to set up a play which they ended up scoring on to win the game! ??? On top of that her substituting is very questionable and I've heard she's not much of a motivator.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2007, 03:43:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2007, 03:43:07 PM
When the officials are missing shots and turning the ball over left and right it certainly doesn't help. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 16, 2007, 05:07:57 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 16, 2007, 05:07:57 PM
QuoteI am also looking forward to post game brews because they will be on your tab.
So, I went to the bank, took out a loan, will be ready for post game humility. I should be making the team and coaches cough up some cash for letting me down like that.
Unless LAX has mended its ways, I agree; we could probably head to the pub at halftime.
Superior at Point tomorrow. Oh, the horror.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 16, 2007, 06:36:26 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 16, 2007, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: buf on February 16, 2007, 02:23:31 PMQuote from: hoops49 on February 16, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
EC needs some of their starters to step it up on their road games. That's been the problem all along.
The bench has come up big lately. Muggs is hitting the 3s, Anderson is playing well inside, and a former bench player in Witt is also performing well.
An important key for EC is that Burns needs to stay out of foul trouble. Lately, it seems that she has picked up 2 first half fouls early in the half. EC needs her to play big minutes. I would also like to see Heidi A be more agressive in the 1st halves. She really turns it up in the 2nd halves.
Buf, you're right on all of that, but let me also add that Brit needs to perform too. She did more last year offensively than she currently is this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: laxeaglepride on February 17, 2007, 07:30:55 PM
Post by: laxeaglepride on February 17, 2007, 07:30:55 PM
foul_language - I dont think you should head to the pub just yet...looks like my eagles are giving you a run for your money....
La Crosse and Stout tied at 49, with 11:30 in the second
La Crosse and Stout tied at 49, with 11:30 in the second
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 17, 2007, 10:44:50 PM
Post by: buf on February 17, 2007, 10:44:50 PM
Didn't listen to it but WW defeats EC 61-49. From looking at the play by play it looks like EC played pretty decent except for the last few minutes of each half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2007, 12:29:39 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2007, 12:29:39 AM
Eau Claire leads by as many as six through the first 17 minutes of play before WW ties on a jumper by Megan Schmidt and takes the lead, 22-20, on a pair of free throws by Tiffany Morton and never trails again. Leading by nine, 29-20, at the half the WARHAWKS score first in the second half to go by 11. Eau Claire cuts the lead to as little as two points with 9 minutes remaining but each time WHITEWATER has an answer and pulls away down the stretch. Neither team shot very well. WW made a couple more three-pointers and outscore the BluGold by ten from the free throw line. Lindsey Buechner had a big first half and led all scorers with 18 points. Morton also hit double figures with 13 points. The WARHAWKS, led by freshman Dana Thompson's 7, won the rebound battle 42-36.
19-6, 12-4, sole possession of second place a game behind Stout all from a team of underclassmen picked to finish seventh. Can you say Coach of the Year? Admittedly Mark Thomas is a great coach and did an excellent job to win the regular season championship. But Stout was expected to do that. Anything less would have been underachieving. Nobody expected what WHITEWATER and coach Carrollo did.
What say you, Champ? ;)
19-6, 12-4, sole possession of second place a game behind Stout all from a team of underclassmen picked to finish seventh. Can you say Coach of the Year? Admittedly Mark Thomas is a great coach and did an excellent job to win the regular season championship. But Stout was expected to do that. Anything less would have been underachieving. Nobody expected what WHITEWATER and coach Carrollo did.
What say you, Champ? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2007, 10:26:36 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 18, 2007, 10:26:36 AM
LaCrosse played the way I remember them playing at Stout two(?) years ago in playoffs. I thought Stout would wear LAX down and there would be this gradual slide; that didn't happen. I give all the credit in the world to LaCrosse; they played hard and well. Compound a very good game, senior night and clinching conference championship with net cutting, and we didn't get to the pub anywhere near halftime.
Stoutguy--check your spyware. I'll bet your harddrive is consumed by e-critters and devices that have clogged its virtual arteries.
Stoutguy--check your spyware. I'll bet your harddrive is consumed by e-critters and devices that have clogged its virtual arteries.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2007, 03:25:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 18, 2007, 03:25:10 PM
I happened to be scrolling through some MIAC boxscores and I ended up finding a familiar name. Former EC player, Brooke Hakanson, is now playing for St. Catherine, MN. She starts for them and led the team in scoring (15pts) and rebounding (8reb) in last week's game against the #1 MIAC team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 18, 2007, 03:29:24 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 18, 2007, 03:29:24 PM
Hakanson has definitely been lighting it up for St. Kate's; I've seen her play quite a lot lately. She's one of the reasons St. Kate's has secured its first-ever trip to the MIAC playoffs.
Too bad there can't be a MIAC-WIAC challenge...........
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 09:26:27 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 09:26:27 PM
They should start it and hold it at the lacroose center! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Saw UWO play my Pioneers yesterday. Great comeback for my team to win by 4. I will say that the officials did help the Pioneers with a few no calls at the end . UWO should have had 4 to 6 more free throws at the end. I think this is what happens when you lose 7 games in a row like UWO has. Talked to a nice person at the end of the game. Said there are some real chemistry problems between the coach and the players. Said Coach actually left the court during one game this year! Any truth to this? Is her job in jeopardy? I did note that UWO was down to 9 players on the bench. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2007, 10:49:40 PM
Post by: buf on February 18, 2007, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Talked to a nice person at the end of the game. Said there are some real chemistry problems between the coach and the players. Said Coach actually left the court during one game this year! Any truth to this? Is her job in jeopardy? I did note that UWO was down to 9 players on the bench. God Bless!
I'm not sure if there are any problems at UWO. However, it looks like Sharpee is in the coach's dog house, having not started the past few games. She is clearly one of their better players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 18, 2007, 11:26:10 PM
Thank you buf: Good luck next week in the tournament! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 19, 2007, 02:40:51 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 19, 2007, 02:40:51 AM
QuoteShe is clearly one of their better players
She's been underachieving as of late.
Seriously, I wonder if there is any fire or even gas in the tank anymore for Oshkosh. Losing 10 out of 11!! Yikes!
:o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2007, 09:37:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2007, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: buf on February 18, 2007, 10:49:40 PM
I'm not sure if there are any problems at UWO. However, it looks like Sharpee is in the coach's dog house, having not started the past few games. She is clearly one of their better players.
Maybe she's trying to get some production or a boost from someone off the bench? You don't necessarily always start your best five. Despite not having started the last three games Sharpee has averaged 23 minutes of floor time. Of course with the Titan's depleted bench the top seven are all seeing major minutes and Sharpee is averaging roughly 28 minutes on the season.
Sharpee is a good player but I wonder if she's hit the "freshman wall." It's a much longer and more physical season than they are accustomed to and it isn't unusal so see them tail off some at the end of it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 10:38:12 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 10:38:12 AM
TO Badger warhawk, Buf, and other UWW and UWEC fans: Do the Warhawks and Bluegolds have to win the tournament to get into the Big Dance? Both are good teams playing well. Interested in your opinions. Good luck to your teams,although I hope for a big upset by my Pioneers tonight at UWW! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2007, 11:10:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2007, 11:10:49 AM
Without winning the conference tourney EC would have 9 losses and WW would have 7.
Of course it's tough to be certain because you don't know how many of the regular season champions will win their conference's tournament and the accompaning automatic bid. The more that don't the tougher it gets for teams with that many losses to qualify. But unless something weird were to happen I'd say EC is out for certain and WW is hanging by their teeth with odds against them.
Of course it's tough to be certain because you don't know how many of the regular season champions will win their conference's tournament and the accompaning automatic bid. The more that don't the tougher it gets for teams with that many losses to qualify. But unless something weird were to happen I'd say EC is out for certain and WW is hanging by their teeth with odds against them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 01:57:38 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 01:57:38 PM
The only way EC gets in is if they win the tournament.
WW has an outside chance. Their regional record is 17-5, which is the only record that matters to the national tourney commitee. As Badgerwarhawk said, WW(and WIAC fans) has to hope that the top regional record team in each conference wins its conference tournament. The more upsets that occur in these tounaments lessens WW's chances.
WW's QOWI is pretty good, which should help them. As of one week ago, they had the 22nd best rating. I'm guessing that Pat will have this weeks updated ratings posted either tonight or tomorrow. Those can be found on the Multiregional board under the "Pool C" topic.
That WW-EC match up on Saturday was huge. WW will play a team tonight that they should clearly beat, while EC has a much tougher game vs Lax. In my opinion, there is a big gap in between the #6 and #7 seeds. Not only does WW get the easier team, but they will be able to host a second round game provided that they do win tonight.
WW has an outside chance. Their regional record is 17-5, which is the only record that matters to the national tourney commitee. As Badgerwarhawk said, WW(and WIAC fans) has to hope that the top regional record team in each conference wins its conference tournament. The more upsets that occur in these tounaments lessens WW's chances.
WW's QOWI is pretty good, which should help them. As of one week ago, they had the 22nd best rating. I'm guessing that Pat will have this weeks updated ratings posted either tonight or tomorrow. Those can be found on the Multiregional board under the "Pool C" topic.
That WW-EC match up on Saturday was huge. WW will play a team tonight that they should clearly beat, while EC has a much tougher game vs Lax. In my opinion, there is a big gap in between the #6 and #7 seeds. Not only does WW get the easier team, but they will be able to host a second round game provided that they do win tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 02:03:20 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 02:03:20 PM
Here is a quote from Pat Coleman on the MIAC page. The same can be applied to WW.
"You guys want to root for the favorites in a handful of leagues: NESCAC (Bowdoin), Messiah (MAC Commonwealth), SUNYAC (Cortland State), Fitchburg State (MASCAC), Scranton (MAC Freedom) at the top of the list. These are all likely to be one-team leagues unless the leader gets upset. The leaders would all be Pool C locks."
"You guys want to root for the favorites in a handful of leagues: NESCAC (Bowdoin), Messiah (MAC Commonwealth), SUNYAC (Cortland State), Fitchburg State (MASCAC), Scranton (MAC Freedom) at the top of the list. These are all likely to be one-team leagues unless the leader gets upset. The leaders would all be Pool C locks."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 02:14:28 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 02:14:28 PM
Forgot about Stout. I think they are in even if they lose. Their regional record is 19-4 and they have the 4th best QOWI.
Pat,
Does Stout have 3 or 4 regional losses? On the central region page they have 4, but on your QOWI from last Monday they had only 3. I guess the only game in doubt is the Finlandia game.
Pat,
Does Stout have 3 or 4 regional losses? On the central region page they have 4, but on your QOWI from last Monday they had only 3. I guess the only game in doubt is the Finlandia game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:26:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:26:19 PM
Live Stats and Listen links: http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/radiobroadcasts.html
RF at SP: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/live/XLIVE.HTM
OSH at ST: http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/live/xlive.htm
LC at EC: http://www.uwec.edu/athletics/live/bb/xlive.htm (LC sticking it to them 23-14 at the moment)
RF at SP: http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/live/XLIVE.HTM
OSH at ST: http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/live/xlive.htm
LC at EC: http://www.uwec.edu/athletics/live/bb/xlive.htm (LC sticking it to them 23-14 at the moment)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kluch on February 19, 2007, 08:34:33 PM
Post by: kluch on February 19, 2007, 08:34:33 PM
Mad props to the stout live video, I don't get to see the score but the quality is impecable!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:38:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: kluch on February 19, 2007, 08:34:33 PM
Mad props to the stout live video, I don't get to see the score but the quality is impecable!
Pull up the live stats in another window and you're all set!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:42:06 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:42:06 PM
Halftime scores:
Point's Live Stats are frozen, but halftime score is Point 35, River Falls 33. (SP's Lechault becomes WIAC
s all-time leader in blocked shots with 322 and counting.)
La Crosse 38, Eau Claire 37. (LC shooting 67%!)
Whitewater 42, Platteville 30.
I can't imagine Oshkosh can maintain it but they lead Stout 32-29.
Point's Live Stats are frozen, but halftime score is Point 35, River Falls 33. (SP's Lechault becomes WIAC
s all-time leader in blocked shots with 322 and counting.)
La Crosse 38, Eau Claire 37. (LC shooting 67%!)
Whitewater 42, Platteville 30.
I can't imagine Oshkosh can maintain it but they lead Stout 32-29.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 09:07:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 09:07:19 PM
SP's Neuenfeldt hits 3 three's in first 6 minutes of second half, but RF's Reimann keeps the Falcons close with 4 buckets in the same time frame. Point leads 47-44 with 14:10 to play. The Pointers are beating the RF zone by shooting 57% from the three-point line, but Point has no answer for Reimann who already has 19.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 09:35:16 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 09:35:16 PM
RF leads Point by 6 with 1:06 to play. Point finally stopped Reimann at the expense of everyone else. Falcons have 5 players in double figures.
Key stat: Point just 7-16 from the free throw line.
Key stat: Point just 7-16 from the free throw line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 09:41:41 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 09:41:41 PM
QUARETRFINALS:
River Falls 76, Stevens Point 69.
Eau Claire 67, La Crosse 62.
Lisa Grantman hits a 3 with :04 left as Platteville caps a 16-point comeback to beat Whitewater 75-74.
Stout 71, Oshkosh 54.
River Falls 76, Stevens Point 69.
Eau Claire 67, La Crosse 62.
Lisa Grantman hits a 3 with :04 left as Platteville caps a 16-point comeback to beat Whitewater 75-74.
Stout 71, Oshkosh 54.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 10:22:56 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2007, 10:22:56 PM
So much for my "big gap between #6 and #7 seeds theory" as UWP gets an impressive win over WW. However, looking at WW's schedule, I see that UWP almost won at WW a few weeks ago. Must be a bad matchup for WW. I guess EC will get their 2nd round home game after all.
The EC-UWL game was a great game. Close all the way, except for the a bit at the start. UWL came out firing. Their shots were not only going in, but they were going right through the middle of the hoop. To say the least they were HOT. They had some open looks, but some were pretty well defended. Anyway, I think UWL led by 11 or so. I would guess they shot 90% through the first 13min or so. Basically the only thing keeping EC in the game was creating UWL turnovers. Witt did an excellent job making steals and turning them into uncontested layups. Finally towards the end of the half, UWL started to cool off a bit and EC made a big run to breifly take the lead and ended up going into the half trailing only by 1. UWL still shot 67% on FGs in the half.
After the half, EC went on a 7-0 run and looked like they might end up pulling away. UWL battled back and took the lead soon after. Back and forth the game went until the 5min mark or so when EC got a 4pt cushion. EC ended up holding off the Eagles down the stretch mostly in part to good solid defense (UWL shot only 10-32 in 2nd half). Good 2nd half by Heidi A. She made some good drives and finished well around the basket. Hakanson also with a solid game. I think she had a double-double. My game ball goes to Witt. She kept EC in the game in first 10min or so with those steals and buckets. I believe she tallied 7 steals for the game. She also caused some other turnovers with her quickness and pressure.
And of course the best part of the night, EC gets another home game on Wednesday.
UWL got a good game from Waldvogel. She played the point position way better than Wagner. Searing had a good rebounding game to finish her career. I think I heard that she had 16rebs.
Tough loss for WW. Down the stretch in the regular season they positioned themselves pretty well for a pool C bid. In my opinion, they are done for the year. But who knows!
The EC-UWL game was a great game. Close all the way, except for the a bit at the start. UWL came out firing. Their shots were not only going in, but they were going right through the middle of the hoop. To say the least they were HOT. They had some open looks, but some were pretty well defended. Anyway, I think UWL led by 11 or so. I would guess they shot 90% through the first 13min or so. Basically the only thing keeping EC in the game was creating UWL turnovers. Witt did an excellent job making steals and turning them into uncontested layups. Finally towards the end of the half, UWL started to cool off a bit and EC made a big run to breifly take the lead and ended up going into the half trailing only by 1. UWL still shot 67% on FGs in the half.
After the half, EC went on a 7-0 run and looked like they might end up pulling away. UWL battled back and took the lead soon after. Back and forth the game went until the 5min mark or so when EC got a 4pt cushion. EC ended up holding off the Eagles down the stretch mostly in part to good solid defense (UWL shot only 10-32 in 2nd half). Good 2nd half by Heidi A. She made some good drives and finished well around the basket. Hakanson also with a solid game. I think she had a double-double. My game ball goes to Witt. She kept EC in the game in first 10min or so with those steals and buckets. I believe she tallied 7 steals for the game. She also caused some other turnovers with her quickness and pressure.
And of course the best part of the night, EC gets another home game on Wednesday.
UWL got a good game from Waldvogel. She played the point position way better than Wagner. Searing had a good rebounding game to finish her career. I think I heard that she had 16rebs.
Tough loss for WW. Down the stretch in the regular season they positioned themselves pretty well for a pool C bid. In my opinion, they are done for the year. But who knows!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 11:03:10 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 11:03:10 PM
Quote from: buf on February 19, 2007, 02:14:28 PM
Forgot about Stout. I think they are in even if they lose. Their regional record is 19-4 and they have the 4th best QOWI.
Pat,
Does Stout have 3 or 4 regional losses? On the central region page they have 4, but on your QOWI from last Monday they had only 3. I guess the only game in doubt is the Finlandia game.
I didn't think the WIAC was among the top half-dozen slam-dunk one-team leagues entering the day. Obviously after tonight things look different.
All team pages contain the latest information as we know it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 19, 2007, 11:29:33 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 19, 2007, 11:29:33 PM
A Blugold fan here, stealing a movie title to go along with buf's nice recap. I'm still "Waiting to Exhale." 67-62, 'Golds over UWL...
Wow. What a ball game. I must say that UWL has probably one of the best #6 seeds this tournament has ever had. A break here or there, and it might be a different story tonight.
Credit to the four seniors on that team - Karrie Lamers, Nicole Palmer, Katy Searing and Abby Johnson. They definitely were fun to watch, and they deserve a lot of credit for helping the Eagles turn that program around over their stay there. Best of luck to them in future endeavors, and maybe we'll see a future Eagle WIACer out on the court one day named Searing-Werner...
Searing had 16 boards and 10 points. She was an impressive force tonight, and almost willed that team to a W tonight... Palmer had 12, while Amanda Waldvogel chipped in 11. Like buf said, the Eagles shot the lights out in the first half, including three crucial threes. The 'Golds were able to stick around though, and trailed by one at half, 38-37.
I'll give out game balls to Heather Witt, who had seven steals, five assists and 13 points; Brittanni Hakanson, who had to battle Searing and Johnson in the paint, and pulled down 11 boards, and Heidi Arciszewski, who led the 'Golds in scoring with 22, including a perfect 7-7 from the charity stripe. She nailed some critical ones down the stretch... Key stat was 'Golds only had nine turnovers, vs. UWL's 20...
I'm not sure how this is all going to shake out as far as bids go, and don't even want to try to venture a guess. I figured there would be some upsets tonight, but honestly did not have a good feeling going into tonight's game... So all I'm going to do is focus on putting my fanny in my seat at Zorn for one more game, on Wednesday, vs. Platteville. And see what happens then. ;)
And hey, UWEC students? There's something happening in the gym on lower campus, called Zorn. Where were you? Get your butts out and support the Lady 'Golds on Wednesday. Sheesh, already. They ask for, want, and acknowledge their fan support, so no excuses! If you plan for it wisely, you can all afford to take a nice two-hour study break on Wednesday... The place should be packed! OK, done with my lecture. ;) And kudos to the softball team, which showed up in full force...
Wow. What a ball game. I must say that UWL has probably one of the best #6 seeds this tournament has ever had. A break here or there, and it might be a different story tonight.
Credit to the four seniors on that team - Karrie Lamers, Nicole Palmer, Katy Searing and Abby Johnson. They definitely were fun to watch, and they deserve a lot of credit for helping the Eagles turn that program around over their stay there. Best of luck to them in future endeavors, and maybe we'll see a future Eagle WIACer out on the court one day named Searing-Werner...
Searing had 16 boards and 10 points. She was an impressive force tonight, and almost willed that team to a W tonight... Palmer had 12, while Amanda Waldvogel chipped in 11. Like buf said, the Eagles shot the lights out in the first half, including three crucial threes. The 'Golds were able to stick around though, and trailed by one at half, 38-37.
I'll give out game balls to Heather Witt, who had seven steals, five assists and 13 points; Brittanni Hakanson, who had to battle Searing and Johnson in the paint, and pulled down 11 boards, and Heidi Arciszewski, who led the 'Golds in scoring with 22, including a perfect 7-7 from the charity stripe. She nailed some critical ones down the stretch... Key stat was 'Golds only had nine turnovers, vs. UWL's 20...
I'm not sure how this is all going to shake out as far as bids go, and don't even want to try to venture a guess. I figured there would be some upsets tonight, but honestly did not have a good feeling going into tonight's game... So all I'm going to do is focus on putting my fanny in my seat at Zorn for one more game, on Wednesday, vs. Platteville. And see what happens then. ;)
And hey, UWEC students? There's something happening in the gym on lower campus, called Zorn. Where were you? Get your butts out and support the Lady 'Golds on Wednesday. Sheesh, already. They ask for, want, and acknowledge their fan support, so no excuses! If you plan for it wisely, you can all afford to take a nice two-hour study break on Wednesday... The place should be packed! OK, done with my lecture. ;) And kudos to the softball team, which showed up in full force...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
WOW! The upset at UWW was only the second time a 7 has beaten a 2seed in the first round of the WIAC tournament. The last time was in 2001 when the Pioneers beat UWEC. I listened to most of the game. I thought the Pioneers were done when both of our starting post players fouled out. Also, you have to give Lisa Grantman credit for hitting the last shot despite her poor shooting. She has a lot of guts and could be the preseason player of the year for next year. this game should have been won by the Warhawks who have a long time to sit and see if they can get an at large bid. They had a substantial lead at HT and with 7 minutes to go. They did not take advantage of their superior depth and the numerous turnovers they forced. Any thought from anyone in attendance? Only 250 in listed attendance, not much support. Too bad as you, UWW, are a very good team. Thank You and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 11:51:45 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 11:51:45 PM
Ditto to Bulk about the Student support. + karma to you and Buf! I did not know that Warner and Searing are dating. If the did get married ,and have children, they could potentially be good athletes. just send them to Platteville for our fine academics,Just kidding! They can go where they want. UWEC is favored to beat my Pioneers, but you will have to play the game. I do not feel it will be a kill game, despite no depth due to our injuries. I do believe in miracles and one could occur, my pioneers going to the Championship game like 2001! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 01:13:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 01:13:54 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:42:06 PM
(SP's Lechault becomes WIAC
s all-time leader in blocked shots with 322 and counting.)
Lechault started the season with 171 career blocks, trailing Kelsey Duoss by 7. Duoss leads the WIAC this season with 66 vs. Lechault with 54.
So.... Through Feb 17th, the numbers are:
Lechault - 225 in 4 seasons.
Duoss - 244 in 3 seasons, with hopefully several games left to play this year...
The current, and probably for quite a while to come, record holder is:
320--Pam Soman (PLT), 1985-89
If Duoss had a 4th WIAC season, she could give Soman a run.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 01:18:28 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 01:18:28 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2007, 12:29:39 AM19-6, 12-4, sole possession of second place a game behind Stout all from a team of underclassmen picked to finish seventh. Can you say Coach of the Year? Admittedly Mark Thomas is a great coach and did an excellent job to win the regular season championship. But Stout was expected to do that. Anything less would have been underachieving. Nobody expected what WHITEWATER and coach Carrollo did.
What say you, Champ? ;)
Originally I was going to agree with you with a caveat... Coach Carollo was trained by Coach Thomas, so it should have been expected that WW would do well this season... ;D
But as you noted, WW was picked to finish 7th, and the were just defeated (in a heartbreaker) by the #7 seed in the WIAC Tourney.
If WW would have at least made it to the next round, I think it would have been hard to deny Coach C the award.
Now, I think there will be a chance for someone else.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 01:20:24 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 01:20:24 AM
UWPSUPERFAN77 -
Here's a link to a Searing-Werner engagement story. Pretty neat!
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/02/11/sports/00lead.txt
Here's a link to a Searing-Werner engagement story. Pretty neat!
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/02/11/sports/00lead.txt
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 07:51:31 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 07:51:31 AM
Boy it was fun finally being able to attend a UW Stout game for the first time this month last night!!! The last game I was at was the game at River Falls on January 31st, and that was not a happy night!!! Mrs. Champ and I were out in D.C. and missed the LaCrosse game due to her companies "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz out there.
It was kind of interesting getting text message updates of the score from one of our friends at the game - our whole table picked up on what was going on and every time I pulled out my phone they all wanted to know what the score was!!!
It was special last night to see Joanna Bird sitting in street clothes on the bench. I haven't posted about it here, but on Saturday morning before the Point game (Feb 10th), I called Coach T and asked "How's it going?". T replied, "Well, our bus is late and one of my starters is in the hospital...". That starter was Joanna (JayBird). She had an emergency appendectomy that Saturday morning.
Talking to JayBird after the game, she told me that her doctor has cleared her to start shooting tomorrow, and to play by Saturday (if Stout is still playing).
Now I went through a couple of surgeries last fall at Mayo, and I can't even imagine shooting a basketball 10 days out of surgery, much less playing collegiate basketball after only 14 days!!! As JayBird's mom told me last night, "Oh to be 21 years old and in shape!!!". The recuperative powers of athlete's is amazing...
It was kind of interesting getting text message updates of the score from one of our friends at the game - our whole table picked up on what was going on and every time I pulled out my phone they all wanted to know what the score was!!!
It was special last night to see Joanna Bird sitting in street clothes on the bench. I haven't posted about it here, but on Saturday morning before the Point game (Feb 10th), I called Coach T and asked "How's it going?". T replied, "Well, our bus is late and one of my starters is in the hospital...". That starter was Joanna (JayBird). She had an emergency appendectomy that Saturday morning.
Talking to JayBird after the game, she told me that her doctor has cleared her to start shooting tomorrow, and to play by Saturday (if Stout is still playing).
Now I went through a couple of surgeries last fall at Mayo, and I can't even imagine shooting a basketball 10 days out of surgery, much less playing collegiate basketball after only 14 days!!! As JayBird's mom told me last night, "Oh to be 21 years old and in shape!!!". The recuperative powers of athlete's is amazing...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 01:13:54 AMChamp,Quote from: Just Bill on February 19, 2007, 08:42:06 PM
(SP's Lechault becomes WIAC
s all-time leader in blocked shots with 322 and counting.)
Lechault started the season with 171 career blocks, trailing Kelsey Duoss by 7. Duoss leads the WIAC this season with 66 vs. Lechault with 54.
So.... Through Feb 17th, the numbers are:
Lechault - 225 in 4 seasons.
Duoss - 244 in 3 seasons, with hopefully several games left to play this year...
The current, and probably for quite a while to come, record holder is:
320--Pam Soman (PLT), 1985-89
If Duoss had a 4th WIAC season, she could give Soman a run.
Yes, you are correct. I was going off of this note in the UWSP vs. UWRF game preview (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006-07/wbbfeb18notes.pdf):
* - Senior center Nathalie Lechault (Chavannes de Bogis,
Switzerland) needs one block to become the WIAC career leader.
She currently shares the record of 320 with Pam Soman of UWPlatteville
(1986-89).
But clearly, that is an erroroneous statement.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
Turnovers were the name of the game. Though WW had 14 at half time Platteville had 18 and we made a very high percentage of the shots we did get while Platteville shot poorly. But the last 13 minutes of the game that all turned around. Tesch became unstoppable. Platteville took much better care of the ball (6 turnovers). Meanwhile we just kept turning it over and over (15 more times) so when our shooting cooled the lead evaporated. Then, to top it off, we give them a three-pointer when we're up by two. The girl didn't shoot that well most of the night but she drilled the shot she had to.
Congrats to Platteville and good luck to all the teams remaining. It's going to take a while for the bitter taste of this loss to wear off and fully appreciate what the program has accomplished this year. We've got all of our contributing players returning next year and a blue-chip recruit who becomes eligible. Add a few recruits and we'll be set to go.
You haven't heard the last from the WARHAWKS. ;)
Champ, other than Mark Thomas, who can argue that he is the conference champion, what coach deserves COY for something they do in a three game tournament vs the conference season? No coach accomplished more with their team in that 16 game stretch and you'd negate that because her team lost the last game basically at the buzzer. If that were the case what would Findlandia do to Mark's case? Admittedly I'm bias but with the exception of those two I don't see any other coach in the league that has a case. I guess we'll find out soon enough what the coaches think.
Congrats to Platteville and good luck to all the teams remaining. It's going to take a while for the bitter taste of this loss to wear off and fully appreciate what the program has accomplished this year. We've got all of our contributing players returning next year and a blue-chip recruit who becomes eligible. Add a few recruits and we'll be set to go.
You haven't heard the last from the WARHAWKS. ;)
Champ, other than Mark Thomas, who can argue that he is the conference champion, what coach deserves COY for something they do in a three game tournament vs the conference season? No coach accomplished more with their team in that 16 game stretch and you'd negate that because her team lost the last game basically at the buzzer. If that were the case what would Findlandia do to Mark's case? Admittedly I'm bias but with the exception of those two I don't see any other coach in the league that has a case. I guess we'll find out soon enough what the coaches think.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 10:14:30 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 10:14:30 AM
To All Posters: I agree with Badger Warhawk on coach Carillo for Coach of the Year! Also, = karma for BW for being very objective and humble at the same time. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 20, 2007, 10:22:12 AM
Post by: billys on February 20, 2007, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
\ Also, you have to give Lisa Grantman credit for hitting the last shot despite her poor shooting. She has a lot of guts and could be the preseason player of the year for next year.
I know you're excited about the win but I think you're going a little overboard here. There are about 10-15 other kids I can think of that would be more likely for that title ... Burns, Hunter, Tyriver, Heidi A are the first four that come to mind ... I do like how hard she plays ... but she's also pretty wreckless ... she had more turnovers than anyone in the league not from Superior.
Statistically speaking Wubben would have a case for better returner on that team. But no disputing ... when it comes to shots of the year in the WIAC ... Grantman's probably got the biggest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 20, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
Post by: billys on February 20, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
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Champ, other than Mark Thomas, who can argue that he is the conference champion, what coach deserves COY for something they do in a three game tournament vs the conference season? No coach accomplished more with their team in that 16 game stretch and you'd negate that because her team lost the last game basically at the buzzer. If that were the case what would Findlandia do to Mark's case? Admittedly I'm bias but with the exception of those two I don't see any other coach in the league that has a case. I guess we'll find out soon enough what the coaches think.
It's definitely a two horse race. No question in my mind someone being picked for seventh and finishing second has to be the Coach of the Year. Stout was virtually a unanimous pick to win the league ... had already been there twice ... and although I don't always like how expected winners get shafted in awards ... Keri has earned it. She went from the 8 seed last year to 2 this year. Biggest improvement in WIAC history! That's gotta be worth something. They may have already voted ... many conferences vote after their regular season ... so last night may not have mattered. But again, I don't think a buzzer beater negates the year they had. And BW is right, they will be back and it might be to stay for awhile.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 10:32:29 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
Champ, other than Mark Thomas, who can argue that he is the conference champion, what coach deserves COY for something they do in a three game tournament vs the conference season? No coach accomplished more with their team in that 16 game stretch and you'd negate that because her team lost the last game basically at the buzzer. If that were the case what would Findlandia do to Mark's case? Admittedly I'm bias but with the exception of those two I don't see any other coach in the league that has a case. I guess we'll find out soon enough what the coaches think.
BW
I didn't say that Coach C wouldn't get it, or doesn't deserve it. What I did say, was the early exit from the WIAC Tourney in a game played on her home court against the #7 seed doesn't help.
I know Coach C, and getting Coach of the Year won't mean near as much (if she gets it) to her as making it deeper in the WIAC Tourney would have.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 10:55:23 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 10:55:23 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Champ,
Yes, you are correct. I was going off of this note in the UWSP vs. UWRF game preview (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/wbb/2006-07/wbbfeb18notes.pdf):
* - Senior center Nathalie Lechault (Chavannes de Bogis,
Switzerland) needs one block to become the WIAC career leader.
She currently shares the record of 320 with Pam Soman of UWPlatteville
(1986-89).
But clearly, that is an erroroneous statement.
Bill
I wonder if Lechault set the school record, not the WIAC record???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Champ, you said there was a chance for someone else and I asked, other than Mark, who? But I know you're in Kari's corner too and I don't really want to get into a lengthy discussion so we'll just wait to see how it works out.
We still haven't won a post season tourney game. That's a monkey we'll have to wait till next year to get off our backs.
Humble is a word not often used to describe me. :D
We still haven't won a post season tourney game. That's a monkey we'll have to wait till next year to get off our backs.
Humble is a word not often used to describe me. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 11:44:21 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2007, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Champ, you said there was a chance for someone else and I asked, other than Mark, who? But I know you're in Kari's corner too and I don't really want to get into a lengthy discussion so we'll just wait to see how it works out.
We still haven't won a post season tourney game. That's a monkey we'll have to wait till next year to get off our backs.
Humble is a word not often used to describe me. :D
Keri is a great coach and I have no problem if a Mark Thomas protege gets the award!
But how many WIAC coaches have won 3 WIAC titles in a row? It's never happened - so that might be a deciding factor.
Also, first year HC Mulhern up in Superior - 2 WIAC victories for a squad that went winless in the conference last season....
And no, I would never use the word humble to describe you... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2007, 02:11:51 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2007, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
WOW! The upset at UWW was only the second time a 7 has beaten a 2seed in the first round of the WIAC tournament. The last time was in 2001 when the Pioneers beat UWEC.
The only time EC lost in the first round was last year. I think in 2001, UWP upset the #2 UWO Titans. UWP ended up playing at Zorn in the championship game. It was a nip and tuck game in which Brantner hit a shot at the buzzer to win it for EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 02:27:32 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 02:27:32 PM
buf is right. In 2001, #7 Platteville beat #2 Oshkosh and #3 Stevens Point on the road before losing to #1 Eau Claire at the buzzer.
2001
Monday, Feb. 19
Quarterfinals
UW-Eau Claire (#1) 87, UW-Whitewater (#8) 72 (at Eau Claire)
UW-River Falls (#4) 78, UW-Stout (#5) 66 (at River Falls)
UW-Stevens Point (#3) 68, UW-La Crosse (#6) 46 (at Stevens Point)
UW-Platteville (#7) 68, UW-Oshkosh (#2) 57 (at Oshkosh)
Wednesday, Feb. 21
Semifinals
UW-Eau Claire 70, UW-River Falls 54 (at Eau Claire)
UW-Platteville 80, UW-Stevens Point 78 (at Stevens Point)
Saturday, Feb. 24
Championship
UW-Eau Claire 78, UW-Platteville 76 (at Eau Claire)
2001
Monday, Feb. 19
Quarterfinals
UW-Eau Claire (#1) 87, UW-Whitewater (#8) 72 (at Eau Claire)
UW-River Falls (#4) 78, UW-Stout (#5) 66 (at River Falls)
UW-Stevens Point (#3) 68, UW-La Crosse (#6) 46 (at Stevens Point)
UW-Platteville (#7) 68, UW-Oshkosh (#2) 57 (at Oshkosh)
Wednesday, Feb. 21
Semifinals
UW-Eau Claire 70, UW-River Falls 54 (at Eau Claire)
UW-Platteville 80, UW-Stevens Point 78 (at Stevens Point)
Saturday, Feb. 24
Championship
UW-Eau Claire 78, UW-Platteville 76 (at Eau Claire)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2007, 03:48:14 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 20, 2007, 03:48:14 PM
I would not expect that the suggestion of Mulhern being considered as COY is anything but tongue-in-cheek, but I would hope that in three years or so, he will be in the position to get some recognition. Of course, that means he needs to improve the W/L record. However, this year I believe Superior was more competitive in many games other than the two they won. Or, perhaps they were more competitive longer (stayed within lower double digits, even single digits, for more of the game than in the past). He has a serious uphill battle to get respectable: he has to convince players to come up here to a program that hasn't had a winning season probably ever. I hope he does it. Besides, Superior has some great academic programs, and it's a shame to waste them on non-athletes...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
Kathi Bennett and the Oshkosh Titans won three straight - they tied for the conference title in 1994-95, and sandwiched that with outright titles in 1993-94, and 1995-96, when they won the National Championship...
UWL won a half-dozen consecutive titles in the early 1970s, when the conference was considered the WSUC...
UWL won a half-dozen consecutive titles in the early 1970s, when the conference was considered the WSUC...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 08:32:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2007, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
Kathi Bennett and the Oshkosh Titans won three straight - they tied for the conference title in 1994-95, and sandwiched that with outright titles in 1993-94, and 1995-96, when they won the National Championship...
UWL won a half-dozen consecutive titles in the early 1970s, when the conference was considered the WSUC...
P.S. The women's conference was never called the WSUC. It was the WWIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 10:40:50 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 10:40:50 PM
I stand corrected on 2001. It must be my age, 52, and that I work 3rd Shift. both create brain farts at times. Good luck to all teams playing tomorrow. I wish i could be in EC tomorrow, but I have to work. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 10:47:43 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 10:47:43 PM
TO Billys: + karma for your good points. nice to see you posting. Time to go to work. Good job guys and gals. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 11:49:16 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 11:49:16 PM
Just Bill - good catch... WSUC + WWIAC = WIAC... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 21, 2007, 01:29:34 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 21, 2007, 01:29:34 AM
Here is a stat to consider:In the history of the conference tournament, The #1 seed is now 25-0. That is an amazing stat. I hope I haven't just jinxed the Bluedevils.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2007, 07:18:37 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2007, 07:18:37 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 20, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
Kathi Bennett and the Oshkosh Titans won three straight - they tied for the conference title in 1994-95, and sandwiched that with outright titles in 1993-94, and 1995-96, when they won the National Championship...
UWL won a half-dozen consecutive titles in the early 1970s, when the conference was considered the WSUC...
I stand corrected - I missed the shared title with Eau Claire. I didn't consider UWL's record prior to the formation of the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 02:16:16 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 02:16:16 PM
Regular season scores of the matchups for tonight:
Stout 56
RF 55
@ Stout
RF 79
Stout 68
@ RF
EC 58
UWP 41
@EC
EC 59
UWP 51
@UWP
Stout 56
RF 55
@ Stout
RF 79
Stout 68
@ RF
EC 58
UWP 41
@EC
EC 59
UWP 51
@UWP
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 21, 2007, 03:08:07 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 21, 2007, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 21, 2007, 01:29:34 AM
Here is a stat to consider:In the history of the conference tournament, The #1 seed is now 25-0. That is an amazing stat. I hope I haven't just jinxed the Bluedevils.
If you did, you're buying.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 21, 2007, 09:26:47 PM
Post by: billys on February 21, 2007, 09:26:47 PM
Looks like EC came out smellin' like roses with the WW loss.
They're up 30 with 5 minutes to go.
Stout by 10 with 10 to go.
They're up 30 with 5 minutes to go.
Stout by 10 with 10 to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:00:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:00:05 PM
Not much to say about the EC-UWP game. EC won easily (by more than 30) and they did so without Zenner (concussion-day to day) and for most of the first half without Witt (2 fouls in 1st minute of game). Four Golds in double figures, led by Heidi A with 21. She did a good job of taking control in the first half with those players on the bench. Wisdom had a real good game for UWP. She will be an excellent player in this conference.
Big I-94 battle with Stout on Saturday. More pressure on EC because they will need a win to get into the tournament. Stout is already a pool C lock.
Big I-94 battle with Stout on Saturday. More pressure on EC because they will need a win to get into the tournament. Stout is already a pool C lock.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 21, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 21, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
Nighmare game for my side. Good game EC,good luck at Stout. Hope the Johnson is packed with a SRO! May the better team win and both go to the big dance! God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:39:01 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 21, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
Nighmare game for my side. Good game EC,good luck at Stout. Hope the Johnson is packed with a SRO! May the better team win and both go to the big dance! God Bless!
The only way both will go is if EC wins.
The last week of regional rankings (through Sunday's games):
Central Region
1 Lake Forest 19-1 21-2
2 Carroll 20-3 20-3
3 UW-Stout 19-4 20-5
4 Illinois Wesleyan 19-2 21-3
5 Washington U. 16-4 19-5
6 UW-Whitewater 16-5 19-6
Stout slips a spot. But I think that Carroll and Lake Forest would probably play each other in their conference tournament. As a result, one would have to lose. Probably better for Stout to have Carroll lose. Lake Forest's regional record is so good that they may not drop if they lost.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:51:34 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:51:34 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
It's going to take a while for the bitter taste of this loss to wear off and fully appreciate what the program has accomplished this year.
Not so fast badgerwarhawk! Your team MAY not be done yet this year. On the "Pool C" board someone went through and labeled all of the Pool A, B and C bids based on QOWI. Whitewater came in at pool C bid #12 (there are 20 pool C bids available). Now you will have to keep in mind that this is basically being based on no upsets occuring in conference tournaments. Still though, it looks like WW has a little breathing room left. You will have to hope for as little upsets as possible. Unfortunately, that means you will have to root for Stout on Saturday :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
UWPSuperFan77 =
The 'Golds just really played well - Heidi Arciszewski came out firing and made a statement, scoring 15 of her 21 in the first half, including 13 of the team's first 18, most on threes...
I'll give a game ball to Brittanni Hakanson for her defense on Liz Tesch. The 'Golds were able to hold her to 6, vs. her 14.9 ppg. They also did not put her on the line at all - zero; she came in leading the conference in free throws made, at 107...
I'll also credit Missy Fremstad, who spelled Heather Witt in the first half... Missy brought the intensity on defense, and set the tone for the game... She pulled down four boards, had four assists and two steals during her stints, and picked up three fouls, bouncing off all the picks/screens the Pioneers were setting... If it were a football game, she'd have had a dirt-covered jersey, that's for sure...
I'm not sure why, but Tesch was outside the paint more than in it. She set more picks/screens at the top of the key than she took shots, it seemed. Wasn't that they were running pick and rolls, either... But the 'Golds defended her well... Ashley Anderson helped out on D, too, and had a nice game offensively - 6 of 10, for 12 points. She and Hakanson both pulled down six boards, too...
Liz Wisdom had a nice game for the Pioneers; she pulled down 8 boards and led them in scoring with 15. But Lisa Wubben had 10 boards.
'Golds led in the turnover category, too, having just 10, vs. 22 for UWP...
Best of luck to the Pioneer seniors and thanks for their contributions in making this one of the top conferences in the country...
The 'Golds just really played well - Heidi Arciszewski came out firing and made a statement, scoring 15 of her 21 in the first half, including 13 of the team's first 18, most on threes...
I'll give a game ball to Brittanni Hakanson for her defense on Liz Tesch. The 'Golds were able to hold her to 6, vs. her 14.9 ppg. They also did not put her on the line at all - zero; she came in leading the conference in free throws made, at 107...
I'll also credit Missy Fremstad, who spelled Heather Witt in the first half... Missy brought the intensity on defense, and set the tone for the game... She pulled down four boards, had four assists and two steals during her stints, and picked up three fouls, bouncing off all the picks/screens the Pioneers were setting... If it were a football game, she'd have had a dirt-covered jersey, that's for sure...
I'm not sure why, but Tesch was outside the paint more than in it. She set more picks/screens at the top of the key than she took shots, it seemed. Wasn't that they were running pick and rolls, either... But the 'Golds defended her well... Ashley Anderson helped out on D, too, and had a nice game offensively - 6 of 10, for 12 points. She and Hakanson both pulled down six boards, too...
Liz Wisdom had a nice game for the Pioneers; she pulled down 8 boards and led them in scoring with 15. But Lisa Wubben had 10 boards.
'Golds led in the turnover category, too, having just 10, vs. 22 for UWP...
Best of luck to the Pioneer seniors and thanks for their contributions in making this one of the top conferences in the country...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 22, 2007, 12:14:45 AM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 22, 2007, 12:14:45 AM
Great game at Johnson Feildhouse tonight as Stout takes down a very tough RF team.
I was going to go to the men's championship game but I feel the need to stay for the "Battle on 94."
I was going to go to the men's championship game but I feel the need to stay for the "Battle on 94."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 22, 2007, 09:14:26 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 22, 2007, 09:14:26 AM
Congrats to the Lady Devils on a hard fought dub against a solid RF squad!
Looking forward to another solid performance Saturday.
Looking forward to another solid performance Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: buf on February 21, 2007, 10:51:34 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
It's going to take a while for the bitter taste of this loss to wear off and fully appreciate what the program has accomplished this year.
Not so fast badgerwarhawk! Your team MAY not be done yet this year. On the "Pool C" board someone went through and labeled all of the Pool A, B and C bids based on QOWI. Whitewater came in at pool C bid #12 (there are 20 pool C bids available). Now you will have to keep in mind that this is basically being based on no upsets occuring in conference tournaments. Still though, it looks like WW has a little breathing room left. You will have to hope for as little upsets as possible. Unfortunately, that means you will have to root for Stout on Saturday :P
I didn't actually say we were done for the year. ;) Though I have to admit to not keeping track of our tournament status. I don't know that we've ever been in the national tournament except perhaps in the distant past. So it wasn't something I was thinking about. That would be nice but from our experience with the men's program I'm not holding my breath.
I don't have any problem rooting for Stout to win Saturday. What the heck, if it helps us, Go Stout. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 09:34:20 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2007, 09:19:05 AMI don't have any problem rooting for Stout to win Saturday. What the heck, if it helps us, Go Stout. :D
Couldn't have said it better myself, BW!!!
It would be great if WW got into the big dance! And from past experience, it's not necessary for a WIAC team to make it to the WIAC Championship game in order to get in.
Wishing nothing but the best for the Lady Warhawks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2007, 09:39:31 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2007, 09:39:31 AM
Whitewater's last NCAA appearence was in 1995 when they beat River Falls, but lost to Eau Claire. They also made the dance in 1993, 1987, 1986, 1985, 1984, 1983.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2007, 09:57:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2007, 09:57:38 AM
Oh, it's actually a bit more recent than I thought. I didn't really follow the women's program very closely in those days. Thanks JB.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 10:16:28 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 10:16:28 AM
As far as the game last night, it was a hard fought win against the team that challenges us more than any other in the WIAC. They match up with us very well, and HC Cindy Hovet always seems to bring her "A" game when she plays her former coach.
Talking with Coach T after the UWO game on Monday, he told me that he had to go back up to his office and start preparing a game plan for the RF game. He needed to change a few things.
And it seemed to me that what they did was to change how Duoss played. She played decoy at times, feeding the ball off to her teammates in order to get better looks.
All our big girls got serious playing times - in an effort to wear down River's bigs. Also, River's guard were run ragged in the press - both Sorenson and Parr fouled out. Before the end of the first half, Sorenson was visibly tired.
The game was nip and tuck, with neither team ever gaining a real advantage. With Stout trailing by two with 16 minutes left, Char Edwards started a 19 - 4 run with a sweet jumper.
Leading that run, Edwards had 6 points, Lindsey Geissler 5, Dani Boese 4, and Savanah Oeltjen and Amanda Geissler chipped in 2 each.
The last four minutes seemed to take forever as the "foul game" started... But we made the majority of the FT's, and didn't allow many quick scores by the worn out Falcons. It typically took them 20 - 30 seconds to get a decent look at the basket with the way our defense was playing.
This game was won with tough defense and a well rounded scoring attack. Dani Boese and Char Edwards finished with 14 points each. Savanah Oeltjen and Lindsey Geissler also had double figures with 11 and 10 respectively.
Nice crowd last night - nearly 1600 fans in the stands. Should be a full house for the Championship game!!!
Speaking of the Championship game - today Joanna Bird meets with her doctor to see if she gets the green light to get some playing time in the WIAC Championship game. Two weeks out of surgery and this girl really wants to play!!!
Talking with Coach T after the UWO game on Monday, he told me that he had to go back up to his office and start preparing a game plan for the RF game. He needed to change a few things.
And it seemed to me that what they did was to change how Duoss played. She played decoy at times, feeding the ball off to her teammates in order to get better looks.
All our big girls got serious playing times - in an effort to wear down River's bigs. Also, River's guard were run ragged in the press - both Sorenson and Parr fouled out. Before the end of the first half, Sorenson was visibly tired.
The game was nip and tuck, with neither team ever gaining a real advantage. With Stout trailing by two with 16 minutes left, Char Edwards started a 19 - 4 run with a sweet jumper.
Leading that run, Edwards had 6 points, Lindsey Geissler 5, Dani Boese 4, and Savanah Oeltjen and Amanda Geissler chipped in 2 each.
The last four minutes seemed to take forever as the "foul game" started... But we made the majority of the FT's, and didn't allow many quick scores by the worn out Falcons. It typically took them 20 - 30 seconds to get a decent look at the basket with the way our defense was playing.
This game was won with tough defense and a well rounded scoring attack. Dani Boese and Char Edwards finished with 14 points each. Savanah Oeltjen and Lindsey Geissler also had double figures with 11 and 10 respectively.
Nice crowd last night - nearly 1600 fans in the stands. Should be a full house for the Championship game!!!
Speaking of the Championship game - today Joanna Bird meets with her doctor to see if she gets the green light to get some playing time in the WIAC Championship game. Two weeks out of surgery and this girl really wants to play!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 10:20:58 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2007, 09:57:38 AM
Oh, it's actually a bit more recent than I thought.
BW
At our age, and with our memories, 12 years ago is the distant past... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2007, 10:23:58 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2007, 10:23:58 AM
Champ. I found out how to end a post game interview in a hurry last night. I started to mention to Mark that the Stout win last night was number 26 in a row without a loss for the #1 seed and he didn't even let me finish the question. A tad superstitious, it seems, in that regard. It is, however an amazing stat. considering the balance in our great league. What did you think of the officiating last night???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 10:34:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2007, 10:34:41 AM
Yes, Mark is superstitious... That and I know that he doesn't like to sound overconfident - EVER. Probably didn't want to give EC and locker room material either.
I think my comments on the officiating would best be left off this forum... :) ;D ;)
I will say that we need to see an improvement in the officiating though.
I noticed that my "friend" from River Falls was there last night. I thought about telling Steve Terry to kick him out of the game, but....
I think my comments on the officiating would best be left off this forum... :) ;D ;)
I will say that we need to see an improvement in the officiating though.
I noticed that my "friend" from River Falls was there last night. I thought about telling Steve Terry to kick him out of the game, but....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Stout survivor on February 22, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
Post by: Stout survivor on February 22, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
The war on 94 is on ... this time for the bid to the NCAA's.
The Johnson will be rockin I just hope those old bleachers can hold up.
Even better news is that basketball is an indoor sport so the weather should not keep us from the game (if the weather man is right, it's a big IF). I will save my voice for sat
The Johnson will be rockin I just hope those old bleachers can hold up.
Even better news is that basketball is an indoor sport so the weather should not keep us from the game (if the weather man is right, it's a big IF). I will save my voice for sat
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2007, 03:43:41 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2007, 03:43:41 PM
Quote from: Stout survivor on February 22, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
The war on 94 is on ... this time for the bid to the NCAA's.
The Johnson will be rockin I just hope those old bleachers can hold up.
Even better news is that basketball is an indoor sport so the weather should not keep us from the game (if the weather man is right, it's a big IF). I will save my voice for Saturday.
Now that scares me a bit.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 22, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
Soooo, Stout survivor, does that mean you'll be singing the national anthem...or something? When Luck sang, Stout won.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Stout survivor on February 22, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
Post by: Stout survivor on February 22, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 22, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
Soooo, Stout survivor, does that mean you'll be singing the national anthem...or something? When Luck sang, Stout won.
If I were to sing it the crowd would be gone, stout would recieve a technical foul out of principal, Coach T would sit quietly till about the 10 min mark in the half wondering if it was all a bad dream, BDB would not sell me gas anymore and stoutguy would laugh so long the game would be over before he can commintate on the radio. not to mention my brother recording it and putting the video on You Tube
I'll pass to Carl Lewis
Luck can sing though, she did great
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2007, 06:51:25 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 22, 2007, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 22, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
Soooo, Stout survivor, does that mean you'll be singing the national anthem...or something? gWhen Luck sang, Stout won.
g
Now he is being modest. The twins are going to be on the radio show Sat. morning. So will Mark and Tonja.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 07:16:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: foul_language on February 22, 2007, 04:50:58 PMWhen Luck sang, Stout won.
That girl has a great voice - and I always thought it was pretty cool when she sang the national anthem in her UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils BB uniform.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2007, 09:07:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2007, 09:07:58 AM
Go Stout ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 23, 2007, 09:51:04 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 23, 2007, 09:51:04 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2007, 09:07:58 AM
Go Stout ;D
Now BW, I'd like a bit more emotion here. I just don't feel the love yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2007, 11:25:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2007, 11:25:14 AM
GO STOUT!
Better? ;)
Better? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 23, 2007, 12:13:24 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 23, 2007, 12:13:24 PM
Very good, BW! Thanks for the support.
Don't know if anybody else has realized, but the WIAC women's PP is nearly at the 100 page mark
Don't know if anybody else has realized, but the WIAC women's PP is nearly at the 100 page mark
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2007, 12:53:37 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2007, 12:53:37 PM
QuoteThe twins are going to be on the radio show Sat. morning. So will Mark and Tonja.
At the same time? Will this include a conversation between T and Tonya? I'd love to listen to that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 01:24:37 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2007, 11:25:14 AM
GO STOUT!
Better? ;)
That's better, but this would be better yet...
Go STOUT!!! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 01:28:04 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 23, 2007, 12:53:37 PMQuoteThe twins are going to be on the radio show Sat. morning. So will Mark and Tonja.
At the same time? Will this include a conversation between T and Tonya? I'd love to listen to that.
I think Tonya will be on via the phone. The way Tonya acted after the last Stout/UWEC game, I don't think she'd want to be on at the same time....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on February 23, 2007, 02:02:25 PM
Post by: mythicalbird on February 23, 2007, 02:02:25 PM
What did she do?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Stout survivor on February 23, 2007, 02:38:57 PM
Post by: Stout survivor on February 23, 2007, 02:38:57 PM
A little story with the weather getting cold again and snow on the way.
Our grandpa spends the majority of winter in Hawaii so he can golf. Every morning he hits the tee box about a quarter to 7 is done for brunch and then back to his place on the 9th tee. Hawaii (or at least where he is at) is known for its wild donkey population and people like to use this in the names of local companies. While we were getting ready to play at 7pm here he was settling in at a his usual spot that he would listen to our games at, the Surf'n Ass Coffee Shop. He soon became so well known there that they would save him a spot on gameday's and while he listen to stoutguy and jake the snake (on WMEQ.com) he would sip his decaff made from the beans of the Bad Ass Coffee Company. This internet cafe has a specialty that goes well with your cup of brew called Donkey Balls and he would sometimes get a couple (I guess they are delicious)
So there my grandfather is sipping some Bad Ass Coffee at the Surf'n Ass Coffee Shop eating a couple Donkey Balls listening to DIII basketball.
I could not make this up if i tried.
Our grandpa spends the majority of winter in Hawaii so he can golf. Every morning he hits the tee box about a quarter to 7 is done for brunch and then back to his place on the 9th tee. Hawaii (or at least where he is at) is known for its wild donkey population and people like to use this in the names of local companies. While we were getting ready to play at 7pm here he was settling in at a his usual spot that he would listen to our games at, the Surf'n Ass Coffee Shop. He soon became so well known there that they would save him a spot on gameday's and while he listen to stoutguy and jake the snake (on WMEQ.com) he would sip his decaff made from the beans of the Bad Ass Coffee Company. This internet cafe has a specialty that goes well with your cup of brew called Donkey Balls and he would sometimes get a couple (I guess they are delicious)
So there my grandfather is sipping some Bad Ass Coffee at the Surf'n Ass Coffee Shop eating a couple Donkey Balls listening to DIII basketball.
I could not make this up if i tried.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 23, 2007, 02:58:30 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 23, 2007, 02:58:30 PM
;D !!!Go Stout!!! ;D
;D !!!Go Stout!!! ;D
How's this.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2007, 03:01:08 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 23, 2007, 03:01:08 PM
That story makes my story about the high school varsity basketball team giving the Rortvedt boys (Ross and Pete) pink bellies before every game kinda lame. Of course, this was a while back, when they were gym rat kids. I don't think anybody tried to pink bellies them while they were on the HS varsity squad
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 10:34:49 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 10:34:49 PM
Quote from: mythicalbird on February 23, 2007, 02:02:25 PM
What did she do?
After a game, head coaches always seem to go and shake the hand of the opposing coach and say a few words.
After the last Stout/UWEC game, Tonya just swiped her hand at Coach T's outstreched hand and turned and walked away.
I'm not saying that a coach needs to act like the best friend of the opposing coach - and I know that losing to an arch rival absolutely sucks - but showing a little respect for a fellow coach isn't too much to expect from a college coach, IMHO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 23, 2007, 10:34:49 PMQuote from: mythicalbird on February 23, 2007, 02:02:25 PM
What did she do?
After a game, head coaches always seem to go and shake the hand of the opposing coach and say a few words.
After the last Stout/UWEC game, Tonya just swiped her hand at Coach T's outstreched hand and turned and walked away.
I'm not saying that a coach needs to act like the best friend of the opposing coach - and I know that losing to an arch rival absolutely sucks - but showing a little respect for a fellow coach isn't too much to expect from a college coach, IMHO.
Yeah, I've seen Tonya do that a couple times. However, I don't think she means to disrespect the other coach, I think she is sometimes upset by the play of her team. Still though, in these instances I do think she could be a bit more friendly during the post game handshake.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 10:50:03 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 10:50:03 PM
Happy 100th WIAC Womens Page
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
Watch to see who goes to shake hands first before tomorrow's Stout/UWEC game...
Watch to see which coach actually respectfully claps for and looks at each individual opponent when those starters are announced, unlike other coaches who are already huddled up with their teams... I've seen very few coaches at any level do it.
However, I've seen one coach do it once - maybe this coach does it always, too? - but I've seen the other coach do it every single game...
Watch to see which coach actually respectfully claps for and looks at each individual opponent when those starters are announced, unlike other coaches who are already huddled up with their teams... I've seen very few coaches at any level do it.
However, I've seen one coach do it once - maybe this coach does it always, too? - but I've seen the other coach do it every single game...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on February 23, 2007, 11:07:01 PM
Post by: mythicalbird on February 23, 2007, 11:07:01 PM
I know what you're getting at Bulk....but I WILL keep an eye out tomorrow during pre game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
mythicalbird -
Not sure if I'm heading over tomorrow or not... Might just have to listen to Mike Sullivan's call - he's got to be doing the game, right? - so, safe travels to you, too, if you go... Here's hoping he ends it with "It's a great day to be a Blugold..."
Not sure if I'm heading over tomorrow or not... Might just have to listen to Mike Sullivan's call - he's got to be doing the game, right? - so, safe travels to you, too, if you go... Here's hoping he ends it with "It's a great day to be a Blugold..."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 11:25:01 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
Watch to see who goes to shake hands first before tomorrow's Stout/UWEC game...
Watch to see which coach actually respectfully claps for and looks at each individual opponent when those starters are announced, unlike other coaches who are already huddled up with their teams... I've seen very few coaches at any level do it.
However, I've seen one coach do it once - maybe this coach does it always, too? - but I've seen the other coach do it every single game...
Yes, Bulk is right. Tonya also comes over after the starters are announced and shakes the other coach's hand. Even if the other coach is huddling, she waits until they break the huddle
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 11:31:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2007, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
mythicalbird -
Not sure if I'm heading over tomorrow or not... Might just have to listen to Mike Sullivan's call - he's got to be doing the game, right? - so, safe travels to you, too, if you go... Here's hoping he ends it with "It's a great day to be a Blugold..."
Yeah. It looks like the crappy weather will make me stay put at home. I would think Sullivan would be doing the game. He does such good radio that it will seem that we are right there in Johnson Fieldhouse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 23, 2007, 11:49:54 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 23, 2007, 11:49:54 PM
I was really looking foward to 2300 people packed into the Johnson Feildhouse, but the weather could play a huge role in keeping attendance down, especially for EC fans. Still should be a great atmosphere
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2007, 01:11:51 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2007, 01:11:51 AM
BDshotblocker -
You're retired! Enough of this hoops stuff. Take a break! Go to bed already! Besides, don't you have a curfew, to be on the radio show in the early a.m.? ;)
You played hoops for four years, but you aren't quite ready give it up, right? ;) That's cool. That's why old farts like me enjoy watching you guys - you love the game... Hope you keep posting on here after you're done and graduated, and wherever you end up... Be nice for you to stay in state - maybe even in a WIAC city - so you can continue to follow and give your great insights...
As for this old fart, as soon as Gamera finishes destroying the rest of what ever he's wreaking havoc on, I'm hitting the hay, with visions of basketballs dancing in my head... ;)
You're retired! Enough of this hoops stuff. Take a break! Go to bed already! Besides, don't you have a curfew, to be on the radio show in the early a.m.? ;)
You played hoops for four years, but you aren't quite ready give it up, right? ;) That's cool. That's why old farts like me enjoy watching you guys - you love the game... Hope you keep posting on here after you're done and graduated, and wherever you end up... Be nice for you to stay in state - maybe even in a WIAC city - so you can continue to follow and give your great insights...
As for this old fart, as soon as Gamera finishes destroying the rest of what ever he's wreaking havoc on, I'm hitting the hay, with visions of basketballs dancing in my head... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Stout survivor on February 24, 2007, 01:56:40 AM
Post by: Stout survivor on February 24, 2007, 01:56:40 AM
retired is a state of mind ;)
Who can sleep with the war on 94 heating up as the weather is cooling off!!!!!
Looking forward to the show and to the game tomorrow
Who can sleep with the war on 94 heating up as the weather is cooling off!!!!!
Looking forward to the show and to the game tomorrow
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 09:19:06 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 09:19:06 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 23, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
Watch to see who goes to shake hands first before tomorrow's Stout/UWEC game...
Watch to see which coach actually respectfully claps for and looks at each individual opponent when those starters are announced, unlike other coaches who are already huddled up with their teams... I've seen very few coaches at any level do it.
However, I've seen one coach do it once - maybe this coach does it always, too? - but I've seen the other coach do it every single game...
I know I have seen Tonya come over and shake hands before the game. I've never noticed her clapping while the opponents starters were being introduced, but then I wouldn't be looking at Tonya at that time.
It's easy to put on a good sportmanship act before the game, quite another to do it after a tough loss.
When Stout played at Zorn and lost the season opener this year, Coach T went over and shook hands and congratulated Tonya - just like he does all the time.
Another thing that Coach T does - when his squad plays a team for the final time during the season - he seeks out each and every senior on the opposing team to wish them well in their future endeavors after BB.
In many cases T recruited these girls to come to Stout, but for whatever reason they chose to go to another school. Maybe it was their major, maybe it was that the girl thought that her abilities would be utilized on another team, or maybe the girl didn't think that Coach T was who she wanted to spend 4 or 5 years with.
It doesn't matter to T - he respects the time and dedication that they've given to WIAC BB - and wants to let them know that he appreciates what they've given to the sport.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 09:25:10 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Stout survivor on February 24, 2007, 01:56:40 AM
retired is a state of mind ;)
Who can sleep with the war on 94 heating up as the weather is cooling off!!!!!
Looking forward to the show and to the game tomorrow
We need you and your brother to be in charge of firing up the student section this afternoon... ;D
Thanks for all you've done for Stout in your four years on the court. I know that you know that I primarily a WBB fan, but I've seen enough of the MBB games over your career to see how you and your brother improved your games and became serious forces to be dealt with when on the court.
I wish both of you nothing but the best in the future.
Hope to be celebrating with both of you after a big Stout win today. I'll be happy to actually buy the two of you a beer - not just talk about it like Stoutguy... ;)
I'm pretty sure you know who I am, if not have Stoutguy point you in the right direction for your beverage of choice!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 09:38:48 AM
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 09:38:48 AM
The timing on this weather and the BIG game really sucks! Might have to stay home and listen to it. Why couldn't they have this tomorrow instead???
Either way go LADY BLUGOLDS.
Either way go LADY BLUGOLDS.
BLUGOLDS ALL THE WAY!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 10:17:05 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 10:17:05 AM
It would be revolutionary to hold a game like this on a neutral court to reduce the potential for home-court sniping, which detracts from the conversation but, unfortunately, has some basis in truth. Every time I see a defender knock down a ball handler and force a 'steal', I think somebody is missing something. Anyway, a neutral court in reasonable proximity to the two teams (in this case, NOT River Falls) would get fans to focus on the game and not have everything colored by 'homer' complaints. This game may--or may not, I have no illusions about the chance that one team won't be as ready as it thought--be the game of the year. If it is, I hope everyone watching and listening knows and appreciates the quality of play by both teams.
It took me a long time to realize that coaches and teams are not inherently good or evil. They may play games a bit differently, which is what carries one team over another, but the only real difference usually ends up being the uniforms. Meet the people away from the game, and they are surprisingly normal. I suspect, no, I know, Tonya cares about her players AND opposing players. She took the time to talk to my daughter after her ACL tear, co-miserate about the injury, wish her well, even had the good grace to say she'd miss seeing her playing. She didn't have to; my daughter didn't leave an unfillable hole that would change the course of the season. But Tonya took the time, made the effort. Just like any coach probably would. The game isn't about who might disrespect whom, or who seems breezy in the post-game handshake. It's about the ten players on the court at any given time, the strategy throughout the game. And, of course, the announcing.
We, at home, will really be focusing on the announcing. Hope that doesn't put any pressure on anyone...
It took me a long time to realize that coaches and teams are not inherently good or evil. They may play games a bit differently, which is what carries one team over another, but the only real difference usually ends up being the uniforms. Meet the people away from the game, and they are surprisingly normal. I suspect, no, I know, Tonya cares about her players AND opposing players. She took the time to talk to my daughter after her ACL tear, co-miserate about the injury, wish her well, even had the good grace to say she'd miss seeing her playing. She didn't have to; my daughter didn't leave an unfillable hole that would change the course of the season. But Tonya took the time, made the effort. Just like any coach probably would. The game isn't about who might disrespect whom, or who seems breezy in the post-game handshake. It's about the ten players on the court at any given time, the strategy throughout the game. And, of course, the announcing.
We, at home, will really be focusing on the announcing. Hope that doesn't put any pressure on anyone...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 10:24:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 10:24:22 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 09:38:48 AM
The timing on this weather and the BIG game really sucks! Might have to stay home and listen to it. Why couldn't they have this tomorrow instead???
Heading out to the game in about 10 minutes...
Mrs. Champ's flight from Minneapolis to Rochester was canceled last night, so I'm headed to Johnson Fieldhouse via Minneapolis.... :o
Hopefully, 5 and a half hours is enough time to get there!!!
!!!GO STOUT!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 12:24:27 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 12:24:27 PM
[/size]It's official. We will be listening intently with other dedicated blugolds fans in our blue and gold apparel. Just hope the live audio works today!!!
Buf, Bulk- This has to be hard for you, but we know the feeling. We'll all just have to holler LOUD.
Buf, Bulk- This has to be hard for you, but we know the feeling. We'll all just have to holler LOUD.
!!!GO BLUGOLDS...WE KNOW YOU CAN DO IT!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 12:38:42 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 10:17:05 AM
It would be revolutionary to hold a game like this on a neutral court to reduce the potential for home-court sniping, which detracts from the conversation but, unfortunately, has some basis in truth. Every time I see a defender knock down a ball handler and force a 'steal', I think somebody is missing something. Anyway, a neutral court in reasonable proximity to the two teams (in this case, NOT River Falls) would get fans to focus on the game and not have everything colored by 'homer' complaints. This game may--or may not, I have no illusions about the chance that one team won't be as ready as it thought--be the game of the year. If it is, I hope everyone watching and listening knows and appreciates the quality of play by both teams.
It took me a long time to realize that coaches and teams are not inherently good or evil. They may play games a bit differently, which is what carries one team over another, but the only real difference usually ends up being the uniforms. Meet the people away from the game, and they are surprisingly normal. I suspect, no, I know, Tonya cares about her players AND opposing players. She took the time to talk to my daughter after her ACL tear, co-miserate about the injury, wish her well, even had the good grace to say she'd miss seeing her playing. She didn't have to; my daughter didn't leave an unfillable hole that would change the course of the season. But Tonya took the time, made the effort. Just like any coach probably would. The game isn't about who might disrespect whom, or who seems breezy in the post-game handshake. It's about the ten players on the court at any given time, the strategy throughout the game. And, of course, the announcing.
We, at home, will really be focusing on the announcing. Hope that doesn't put any pressure on anyone...
Just focus on Jake. I might just buy a cowboy hat for our next outing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 12:43:06 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 12:43:06 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2007, 09:25:10 AMQuote from: Stout survivor on February 24, 2007, 01:56:40 AM
retired is a state of mind ;)
Who can sleep with the war on 94 heating up as the weather is cooling off!!!!!
Looking forward to the show and to the game tomorrow
We need you and your brother to be in charge of firing up the student section this afternoon... ;D
Thanks for all you've done for Stout in your four years on the court. I know that you know that I primarily a WBB fan, but I've seen enough of the MBB games over your career to see how you and your brother improved your games and became serious forces to be dealt with when on the court.
I wish both of you nothing but the best in the future.
Hope to be celebrating with both of you after a big Stout win today. I'll be happy to actually buy the two of you a beer - not just talk about it like Stoutguy... ;)
I'm pretty sure you know who I am, if not have Stoutguy point you in the right direction for your beverage of choice!!!
This is perfect. Jake and John, I will point you in the direction of Champ at the Ale House and now we are even!!!! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 01:04:38 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 01:04:38 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 12:43:06 PM
This is perfect. Jake and John, I will point you in the direction of Champ at the Ale House and now we are even!!!! ;D
CODE NAMES!!!! Now you blew our cover and nobody had any idea who we were ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 01:29:59 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 01:29:59 PM
Quote from: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 01:04:38 PMQuote from: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 12:43:06 PM
This is perfect. Jake and John, I will point you in the direction of Champ at the Ale House and now we are even!!!! ;D
CODE NAMES!!!! Now you blew our cover and nobody had any idea who we were ;D
code,schmode
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
Yessssss. A cowboy hat. That would make a statement.
So, will Char have still another break-out performance today? Will Kelsey dominate from inside or outside (I secretly hope she chooses today to unveil her three point game); will Julia Hirssig continue her determined march to Freshman/rookie of the year; will Bird get to play or should she just sit and heal a bit more, knowing there will be other games...this season; will Savanah's entrance mark the real start of the game? Will the twins harmonize for a national anthem NO ONE will forget, no matter how hard they try?
So, will Char have still another break-out performance today? Will Kelsey dominate from inside or outside (I secretly hope she chooses today to unveil her three point game); will Julia Hirssig continue her determined march to Freshman/rookie of the year; will Bird get to play or should she just sit and heal a bit more, knowing there will be other games...this season; will Savanah's entrance mark the real start of the game? Will the twins harmonize for a national anthem NO ONE will forget, no matter how hard they try?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
Savavah Will start I beleive even if brid is back But do the twins know who I am to get me to buy the drinks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 02:12:47 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 02:02:18 PM[/b]
Savavah Will start I beleive even if brid is back But do the twins know who I am to get me to buy the drinks
Tell you what I'll do. I know who you are, so give me the cash and I will buy the twins a drink sometime------maybe.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 02:30:20 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 24, 2007, 02:12:47 PMQuote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 02:02:18 PM[/b]
Savavah Will start I beleive even if brid is back But do the twins know who I am to get me to buy the drinks
Tell you what I'll do. I know who you are, so give me the cash and I will buy the twins a drink sometime------maybe.
Or you'll make a payment on a condo in Cancun ;) in which case you should pay for all of us to fly down there and have a Corona on the beach
If you see me (7'0" wearing Blue Devil gear :D) don't be afriad to come over and say hi, that also goes for the EC posters that make the trip.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
What I really hope for is a good, clean game and GOOD officiating (something that is hard to come by these days, especially during the playoffs). Doesn't seem right that the WIAC would have one of the refs who is local. Just hope he does his job.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 04:15:43 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 04:15:43 PM
H49--You'll have to either be there, paying no attention to the crowd, or listening to both radio broadcasts to have a hope of determining how the play or officiating is going. I'm going to presume the officials will do their jobs and hope they don't rely on the crowd to give them direction.
Sounds like there's lots of offense so far
Sounds like there's lots of offense so far
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2007, 06:32:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2007, 06:32:54 PM
Stout runs ahead early and maintains the lead throughout the game, winning 73-61. Duoss scores 19 and grabs 13 rebounds. #1 seeds now 27-0 in the nine year history of the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 06:59:02 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 06:59:02 PM
Hey great effort Lady Blugolds.....keep your chins up. Don't look back from this point on, only forward.
We're all proud of you, not just for what you do on the court, but of who YOU are.
Just go have fun the rest of the year!!!!!!!!
We're all proud of you, not just for what you do on the court, but of who YOU are.
Just go have fun the rest of the year!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 07:35:18 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 07:35:18 PM
Blugolds have nothing to be ashamed of. They started too slow, but they had the more intimidating task: face the number 1 conference team three years in a row on its home court with nothing to lose. To its credit, EC put together some great runs despite having the only size matchup for Duoss on the bench too much of the game.
They were in the conference championship game. That team has no reason to hang their heads.
They were in the conference championship game. That team has no reason to hang their heads.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 09:20:31 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 09:20:31 PM
HOCKEY--
St Norbert announcer describing a SN skater tripping a Stout skater: "His stick was caught up in the skate and [Stout skater] fell down."
He almost made it sound like Stout should have gotten the penalty. Perspective: it's an amazing thing
No score.
St Norbert announcer describing a SN skater tripping a Stout skater: "His stick was caught up in the skate and [Stout skater] fell down."
He almost made it sound like Stout should have gotten the penalty. Perspective: it's an amazing thing
No score.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 09:44:22 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 09:44:22 PM
Norbies score twice in a minute.
I own this page
I own this page
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 09:58:14 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 24, 2007, 09:58:14 PM
Knobs score again, 3-0
Looks like Stout has deflated--de-iced?
Norbert scores a fourth goal, about a minute after third. I didn't get a chance to post the third goal before fourth goes in.
Looks like Stout has deflated--de-iced?
Norbert scores a fourth goal, about a minute after third. I didn't get a chance to post the third goal before fourth goes in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2007, 10:26:55 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2007, 10:26:55 PM
coo roo coo coo, coo roo coo coo! hockey, eh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Is there any chance of another WIAC team making the national tourney?
Congratulations to the Lady Devils!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations to the Lady Devils!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:46:48 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:46:48 PM
sTOUTGUY BUYS BEER if any do it will be whitewater
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 24, 2007, 11:15:50 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 24, 2007, 11:15:50 PM
The consensus is that only Stout will get in. This is sad considering how well our women play BB. We beat up on each other too much. Think EC is better than many teams that will get in.However, it appears that 20 is the magic number. Congratulations to the Stout community for the great crowd today,considering the weather! I am sure a lot of EC fans came as well. Thank you and God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2007, 11:30:05 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2007, 11:30:05 PM
Short answer is magic number was probably 20 wins for UWEC (19-9)...
Long answer, without looking at all the other teams in the mix around the country, here's some stats for you number crunchers on how the UWEC schedule broke down, as far as quality wins...
Wins against conference teams {13} = Platteville (3), River Falls (2), Superior (2), UWL (2), Stout (1), Point (1), WW (1), Oshkosh (1)
Loses against conference teams {6} = Stout (2), Point (1), WW (1), Oshkosh (1), UWL (1)
Nonconference opponents (6-3)
Away Tournament vs. Baldwin-Wallace (19-7) = L 68-50
Away Tournament vs. Davenport (24-6) = W 72-65
Home St. Norbert (16-8) = W 63-55
Home Tournament Otterbein (14-12) = W 76-67
Home Tournament Morningside (20-10) = W 74-65, NAIA D2 2004, 2005 champs
Away St. Cloud State (17-10) = L 71-55, NCAA D2 school
Away Carroll College (21-4) = L 64-61
Away Bethel U (12-13) = W 60-58
Away Trinity U (17-8) = W 69-56
Long answer, without looking at all the other teams in the mix around the country, here's some stats for you number crunchers on how the UWEC schedule broke down, as far as quality wins...
Wins against conference teams {13} = Platteville (3), River Falls (2), Superior (2), UWL (2), Stout (1), Point (1), WW (1), Oshkosh (1)
Loses against conference teams {6} = Stout (2), Point (1), WW (1), Oshkosh (1), UWL (1)
Nonconference opponents (6-3)
Away Tournament vs. Baldwin-Wallace (19-7) = L 68-50
Away Tournament vs. Davenport (24-6) = W 72-65
Home St. Norbert (16-8) = W 63-55
Home Tournament Otterbein (14-12) = W 76-67
Home Tournament Morningside (20-10) = W 74-65, NAIA D2 2004, 2005 champs
Away St. Cloud State (17-10) = L 71-55, NCAA D2 school
Away Carroll College (21-4) = L 64-61
Away Bethel U (12-13) = W 60-58
Away Trinity U (17-8) = W 69-56
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PM
Post by: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
And I'm enjoying this tropical weather too! ;) Seriously though, did ANYONE find it a little odd that Chuck Mourning was reffing this game all while Keith Knoll was the PA guy?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 25, 2007, 08:10:56 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 25, 2007, 08:10:56 AM
Stout had its "A" game going yesterday. No question about who was going to win fairly early on, IMO. Kelsey was the real deal. 3 straight conference titles, 3 straight tournament wins. Is "6peat" a word? 23 straight home wins. That is domination in it purest form.
On a sidenote: Tonja Englund and her entire team lined up, stayed on the floor, and showed real class by honoring the postgame awards. Not many losing teams do that anymore. It is easy to be sportsmanlike when you win, not so easy when you lose. Class move, ladies.
On a sidenote: Tonja Englund and her entire team lined up, stayed on the floor, and showed real class by honoring the postgame awards. Not many losing teams do that anymore. It is easy to be sportsmanlike when you win, not so easy when you lose. Class move, ladies.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 08:56:50 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 08:56:50 AM
Is today Selection Sunday? Projections have three WIAC men's teams getting in; would seem strange to have only one women's team. However, unless the WIAC teams selected get into different regions, it just ends up WIAC softening itself up on other WIAC-ers. Seems like an exercise in futility.
Looks like some conferences play their tourney semis and finals over a weekend. That must be deadly. Imagine having to play Whitewater Friday/Saturday and Eau Claire Saturday/Sunday.
Looks like some conferences play their tourney semis and finals over a weekend. That must be deadly. Imagine having to play Whitewater Friday/Saturday and Eau Claire Saturday/Sunday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2007, 10:19:14 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2007, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PMPar for the course.Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
And I'm enjoying this tropical weather too! ;) Seriously though, did ANYONE find it a little odd that Chuck Mourning was reffing this game all while Keith Knoll was the PA guy?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 10:26:36 AM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 10:26:36 AM
Quote from: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Is there any chance of another WIAC team making the national tourney?
Congratulations to the Lady Devils!!!!!!!!!!!
WW MIGHT get in. They are definately on the bubble. I think they can squeeze in if there are very few upsets in the conference tourneys. WW has the #38 best QOWI. However, their regional record is below .75, so if they don't get in, it will probably be because of this.
Good season for EC. With no seniors, they should again be near the top of the conference next year.
Congrats to Stout!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
Wouldn't you know, we get a little snow and they cancel church. There goes Sunday
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2007, 11:02:43 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2007, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: buf on February 25, 2007, 10:26:36 AMI think WW might make it. The upset bug hasn't struck as badly on the women's side as it did on the men's. Certainly will be an exciting selection day for the WIAC with two men's teams and one women's team hanging by a thread.Quote from: BDshotblocker on February 24, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Is there any chance of another WIAC team making the national tourney?
Congratulations to the Lady Devils!!!!!!!!!!!
WW MIGHT get in. They are definately on the bubble. I think they can squeeze in if there are very few upsets in the conference tourneys. WW has the #38 best QOWI. However, their regional record is below .75, so if they don't get in, it will probably be because of this.
Good season for EC. With no seniors, they should again be near the top of the conference next year.
Congrats to Stout!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on February 25, 2007, 11:39:31 AM
Post by: mythicalbird on February 25, 2007, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2007, 10:19:14 AMQuote from: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PMPar for the course.Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
And I'm enjoying this tropical weather too! ;) Seriously though, did ANYONE find it a little odd that Chuck Mourning was reffing this game all while Keith Knoll was the PA guy?
I'm not saying that the reffing cost EC the game. Stout definitely played better and EC had no answer for their studs OR rotation yesterday. However, when I saw Chuck walk onto the court I actually laughed out loud!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2007, 02:59:06 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2007, 02:59:06 PM
Well we won't make it if Pat's projections are correct and unfortunately they generally are. It would be a nice touch but regardless this has been a great season. The future of Lady WARHAWK basketball looks very bright.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 03:14:46 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2007, 02:59:06 PM
Well we won't make it if Pat's projections are correct and unfortunately they generally are.
In addition those projections were before Sunday's games. Futher upsets today will hurt their chances even more.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 25, 2007, 03:57:09 PM
Post by: billys on February 25, 2007, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 24, 2007, 11:15:50 PM
This is sad considering how well our women play BB. We beat up on each other too much. Think EC is better than many teams that will get in.However, it appears that 20 is the magic number.
In all honesty I don't this year was a great year for WIAC Women's Basketball. No disrespect ... last year I really thought the top four teams would do extremely well in the tournament. This year I don't have the same feeling. Don't get me wrong, I think the teams were good and the league still among the best. But EC couldn't win on the road and Whitewater dropped a home game against a 7 seed in the tournament ... who despite what people might try to argue, weren't that good. I don't think Point or River Falls proved they had the consistency to be a team to reckon with in the playoffs.
Would anyone want to play these teams ... still probably not. I just didn't think the overall strength was what it was last year when I really thought Stout, Oshkosh, Point and maybe even La Crosse would do serious playoff damage.
I think Stout's going to be a handful for everyone in the tournament ... but let's be honest, they also lost to Finlandia this year. The WIAC wasn't exactly racking up signature non-conference victories.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 25, 2007, 06:51:19 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 25, 2007, 06:51:19 PM
foul language -
"Wouldn't you know, we get a little snow and they cancel church. There goes Sunday."
You could just clear off the big lake up nort der, ya hey, and do a little stick-handling of the puck der, eh?
Ha. I love it. I actually used stick-handle the puck in a sentence! ;)
"Wouldn't you know, we get a little snow and they cancel church. There goes Sunday."
You could just clear off the big lake up nort der, ya hey, and do a little stick-handling of the puck der, eh?
Ha. I love it. I actually used stick-handle the puck in a sentence! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
QuoteHa. I love it. I actually used stick-handle the puck in a sentence!
Good stick-handling is like ballet; brings tears to my eyes.
The big lake was clean as a whistle up until yesterday. Ice fishermen cheating, because they could SEE the fish swimming around below. Not today; Highway 2 in Ashland closed a while because of blowing snow. This time, the snow got deeper as you headed west. I can't believe those flatlanders in Iowa and Illinois are getting all our snow. First they get our soil (glaciers), now they get our winter weather. What a bite!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 25, 2007, 08:26:27 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 25, 2007, 08:26:27 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
Wouldn't you know, we get a little snow and they cancel church. There goes Sunday
YEAH THEY DID!!!! I woke up bright and early this morning to go to church with my wife at 8:45, and nothing, never thought i'de see the day
Quote from: foul_language on February 25, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
I can't believe those flatlanders in Iowa and Illinois are getting all our snow. First they get our soil (glaciers), now they get our winter weather. What a bite!
Way to go all Geological on the butts :D Now that's how you hold a grudge, hundreds of thousands of years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 10:29:14 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2007, 10:29:14 PM
Only Stout in from WIAC. Men only get 1 also
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 09:07:36 AM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 09:07:36 AM
Stout hosts a "quad." They first play Simpson and if they win they play the winner of St. Bens/Wheaton
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 09:47:46 AM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 09:47:46 AM
I see Stout getting by any of these teams. St. Ben's would probably be the toughest. 8th place UWO and 4th place Point beat Wheaton by 18 and 27 respectively earlier this year. I think Wheaton had a couple of injuries, but still the games were not even close.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 11:04:54 AM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 11:04:54 AM
The expirence the girls had the last two years, getting bonced in the sweet 16, hopefully will motivate them to stay focused. and not take any teams lightly. Although I do believe the first two rounds should be easily handled.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the girls would host the sectionals if they get that far.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the girls would host the sectionals if they get that far.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 11:10:58 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 11:10:58 AM
Women. Thank you.
Can a school host two levels?
Can a school host two levels?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Andrew Wagner on February 26, 2007, 11:21:25 AM
Post by: Andrew Wagner on February 26, 2007, 11:21:25 AM
Didn't Point host both sectionals a few years back?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 12:06:41 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 12:06:41 PM
Could be. Was Shirley E on the DIII board of directors at the time--or whatever it is? Not that I'm implying anything. Any bias you get out of the statement is strictly inference--your fault, not mine.
I could run for office. I think I have the teflon thing down.
Wish E Eldred a happy birthday today.
I could run for office. I think I have the teflon thing down.
Wish E Eldred a happy birthday today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 26, 2007, 12:10:56 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 26, 2007, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PMQuote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
And I'm enjoying this tropical weather too! ;) Seriously though, did ANYONE find it a little odd that Chuck Mourning was reffing this game all while Keith Knoll was the PA guy?
That's exactly what I was talking about several posts ago. I was just more discreet. ;)
I did look at the play by play each half though and the fouls were pretty even, but I'm sure given the situation the refs had to make sure that they had better call it on both ends.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Northern_Explorer on February 26, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: Northern_Explorer on February 26, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
A lot of it depends on who the teams are in the next level, since travel considerations outweigh seeding. On first glance, it looks like Stout would end up on the road for sectionals because all three opponents will most likely be on the east coast. If seedings hold, Messiah looks likely since Stout would be the only team that would have to fly to them. If Stout hosts, all three of the other teams would fly. If William Patterson comes out of the Randolph-Macon pod, then they or NYU would also be possible (3 teams drive and Stout flys) hosts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 12:42:18 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 12:42:18 PM
Point men were home all the way to the final four.
The way Northern Explorer explains it it doesn't sound good, still gonna have my fingers crossed ;D
The way Northern Explorer explains it it doesn't sound good, still gonna have my fingers crossed ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 26, 2007, 01:13:05 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 26, 2007, 01:13:05 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 12:06:41 PM
Could be. Was Shirley E on the DIII board of directors at the time--or whatever it is? Not that I'm implying anything. Any bias you get out of the statement is strictly inference--your fault, not mine.
I could run for office. I think I have the teflon thing down.
Wish E Eldred a happy birthday today.
I already gave her my present. I had her in the Stout lineup two games ago. Happy birthday, E.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
QuoteI had her in the Stout lineup two games ago
And I believe it was another perfect game: no fouls, no turnovers.
Let's get some cosmic pressure going to get the Stout women past the Sweet 16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 02:06:39 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2007, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 11:04:54 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the girls would host the sectionals if they get that far.
If all the favorites advance, I would think Stout would have the least chance at hosting the sectionals. I believe the order would be NYU, Messiah, Randolph-Macon and then Stout. Stout might be ahead of R-M.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 26, 2007, 05:10:09 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 26, 2007, 05:10:09 PM
Foul -
If cosmic pressure is what it takes, I'll be giving it my all...
Happy Birthday E!!
If cosmic pressure is what it takes, I'll be giving it my all...
Happy Birthday E!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 26, 2007, 05:11:50 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 26, 2007, 05:11:50 PM
...I just realized I'm not sure how to generate cosmic pressure...
Does beer help?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 05:36:48 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 26, 2007, 05:36:48 PM
According to Homer Simpson
"Beer, the cause of AND solution to all of lifes problems"
"Beer, the cause of AND solution to all of lifes problems"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 06:07:49 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 26, 2007, 06:07:49 PM
Beer creates all kinds of pressure, not the least of which is cosmic; even if it didn't, it would be worth trying.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 27, 2007, 12:36:05 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 27, 2007, 12:36:05 AM
For those who are curious about how an RPI would shake out for the teams, check out the home page link here, as calculated by the crack staff at D3 Hoops...
UW-Stout at 14
Whitewater at 17
UWEC at 32
Point at 57...
UW-Stout at 14
Whitewater at 17
UWEC at 32
Point at 57...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on February 24, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
What I really hope for is a good, clean game and GOOD officiating (something that is hard to come by these days, especially during the playoffs). Doesn't seem right that the WIAC would have one of the refs who is local. Just hope he does his job.
Chuck, if anything, overcompensates in trying to be impartial. That is probably the reason that the WIAC ignored the requests from UWEC officials to replace Chuck.
Anyone who has been witness to any of the games that Chuck has officiated for Stout knows that he leaves his friendships and allegiances at the door when it comes to his job as an official.
And the fouls were called evenly in the game, so apparently the fears and worries expressed by a number of posters here weren't necessary. But then, those of us that didn't have any fears or worries knew there wouldn't be any need for fans or college officials to be worried.
And sorry for being so late with the reply to this, but upon returning home to Southern MN from the game on Sunday, I was met with a cold home devoid of electricity. It's now Tuesday morning, and still no electricity... :o On top of that, I've been sick the whole time...
Hopefully we'll have power restored today or tomorrow and I can return home. Maybe tomorrow I might even be able to return to work - I ate my first meal since Sunday morning today!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:53:32 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:53:32 AM
Quote from: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PMQuote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
And I'm enjoying this tropical weather too! ;) Seriously though, did ANYONE find it a little odd that Chuck Mourning was reffing this game all while Keith Knoll was the PA guy?
Already addressed your first point.
As to the second point - this is not the first time Keith NOLL has announced for Stout. As a matter of fact, he did the previous 3 games also. The regular announcer was involved in the UW Stout Hockey Teams Tournament appearrances over the last couple of weeks.
So much for the great conspiracy theory... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:57:20 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: mythicalbird on February 25, 2007, 11:39:31 AMQuote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2007, 10:19:14 AMQuote from: mythicalbird on February 24, 2007, 11:49:15 PMPar for the course.Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:51 PM
Great womens game to day some of the best refing I have seen in the WIAC all year
And I'm enjoying this tropical weather too! ;) Seriously though, did ANYONE find it a little odd that Chuck Mourning was reffing this game all while Keith Knoll was the PA guy?
I'm not saying that the reffing cost EC the game. Stout definitely played better and EC had no answer for their studs OR rotation yesterday. However, when I saw Chuck walk onto the court I actually laughed out loud!
So you admit the refs didn't cost EC the game, that Stout played better, and that EC had no answer for the Blue Devils "studs" or their rotation, but you still persist in defaming a WIAC official.
Class move... ::)
Carry on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:59:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Andrew Wagner on February 26, 2007, 11:21:25 AM
Didn't Point host both sectionals a few years back?
Yes.
And they didn't even make it to the WIAC Tournament Championship game...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 11:02:45 AM
And just so everybody knows....
Stoutguy bought me a beer!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 11:09:42 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 11:09:42 AM
Why do we always point to similar number of fouls for both teams as evidence a ref squad is unbiased? If a team fouls more, shouldn't it be called more? Has anyone ever gone through game tapes to count actual numbers of fouls (called and uncalled; right and wrong) and determine that all teams will foul about the same number of times in a game?
Masters thesis. A panel of people including officials, players, coaches; a library of game tapes representing multiple teams; a clicker for each panel member. Clicker should indicate who is voting for a foul at what time in the game. Compare tallies; if majority agrees a foul occurred, it did. Compare 'legitimate' (got concensus) fouls for both sides.
I'm seriously curious about this. Who needs a masters in coaching or some related area?
Masters thesis. A panel of people including officials, players, coaches; a library of game tapes representing multiple teams; a clicker for each panel member. Clicker should indicate who is voting for a foul at what time in the game. Compare tallies; if majority agrees a foul occurred, it did. Compare 'legitimate' (got concensus) fouls for both sides.
I'm seriously curious about this. Who needs a masters in coaching or some related area?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 27, 2007, 11:16:16 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on February 27, 2007, 11:16:16 AM
In 2002 Point Women went to Wash U the first weekend and hosted the second...in 2004 they won the tourney championship and ended up hosting both...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 10:59:38 AMQuote from: Andrew Wagner on February 26, 2007, 11:21:25 AM
Didn't Point host both sectionals a few years back?
Yes.
And they didn't even make it to the WIAC Tournament Championship game...
We need some clarification here.
In 2002, Point women hosted a 1st round game, went on the road for a second round game and then hosted a 4-team sectional. This is the year that Champ is referring to, but I don't think that's what Andrew meant when he said hosted "both sectionals". As I see it, it's only possible to host one sectional a year, unless you are talking about hosting both men's and women's. A 1st or 2nd round game is not a sectional. Of course, this was the "old" structure where 1st and 2nd round games were played Wednesday/Saturday at different sites. Now, the first two rounds are played Friday/Saturday at one site. So you could host a "regional" and a sectional. But in 2002, the "regional" didn't exist.
In 2004, but the Point men and women made the Sweet 16 (Point women had a first round bye and then hosted the second round), and both were very qualified to host a sectional. There was a lot of discussion about permitting UWSP to host both a men's and women's sectional at the same time. Eventually the chair of the men's committee and the chair of the women's commitee got together and agreed that it would be too difficult to host both tournaments at the same time. The UWSP men were shipped out to Puget Sound and the women hosted the sectional. I think this is what Andrew was talking about when he said "both sectionals".
So the answer to Andrew's question is no. Point almost hosted both sectionals but the combined tournament committees decided not to award UWSP both.
Often times hosting a sectional comes down more to geography than seeding. Actually, in the championship handbook, geography is the #1 criteria while seeding is about #3. In 2002 Point got it because Point and Webster were within driving distance, while the other two schools were isolated in CA and WA. To save a flight, it had to be at UWSP or Webster, and Webster has a rather small facility.
The same situation happened in 2004 with Point, Wash U. a TX team and a NC team. In that case, seeding did win out as Point and Wash U both have acceptable gyms. Points higher regional ranking won out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 11:29:09 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 11:29:09 AM
Upon reading that I'm not sure I provided any clarification, but I think people were discussing slightly different topics as if they were the same.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 27, 2007, 11:54:14 AM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 27, 2007, 11:54:14 AM
Not to beat a dead horse but anybody who know's Chuck (I've spent many hours working AAU tournaments at Stout) know's how serious he takes officiating. He has great pride, and great respect for the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 12:07:12 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 11:09:42 AM
Why do we always point to similar number of fouls for both teams as evidence a ref squad is unbiased? If a team fouls more, shouldn't it be called more? Has anyone ever gone through game tapes to count actual numbers of fouls (called and uncalled; right and wrong) and determine that all teams will foul about the same number of times in a game?
Masters thesis. A panel of people including officials, players, coaches; a library of game tapes representing multiple teams; a clicker for each panel member. Clicker should indicate who is voting for a foul at what time in the game. Compare tallies; if majority agrees a foul occurred, it did. Compare 'legitimate' (got concensus) fouls for both sides.
I'm seriously curious about this. Who needs a masters in coaching or some related area?
Foul
With all due respect, in the previous 2 meetings of these two teams, EC was tagged with one fewer at Zorn and 5 more fouls at Johnson.
If you want to do a masters thesis, what is the probability of in the third game at Johnson that the fouls would be exactly even?
There is no way to do it your way, as the camera doesn't have the same view as the officials.
It's an old cliche, but fouls seems to have a way of balancing themselves out. And although I personally saw a couple of calls that went against Stout, I have to admit I saw a couple of calls go in their favor too.
As I stated before, the WIAC had no problems with Chuck's ability to be impartial. Just some school officials and some fans.
I wish that those making accusations anonymously would have the courage to face Chuck and make their statements. For some reason, I don't think they have the intestinal fortitude to do it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 12:09:08 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
In 2002, Point women hosted a 1st round game, went on the road for a second round game and then hosted a 4-team sectional.
Well, I was right for 3 out of 4 games.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
For the record, I'm not accusing anyone of anything; I don't know this Chuck guy, so I have no idea how he refs. I do think it's weak, though, to claim a game was called well or badly based on the relative number of fouls doled out to each team. And I've argued earlier on this site that I've rarely seen a game where the outcome is influenced much less determined by the calls.
Let's assume basketball was a no-contact sport (pfffft. right). In that case, any contact would be a foul. A ref could influence the play of the game by the way he or she calls fouls--loose "let 'em play" or tight. All teams should be prepared to play the no-contact game, since that's the original assumption. And the best prepared teams can play to the limits they're given.
My experience is that basketball is becoming increasingly like football and refs are pretty selective about the kind of contact they call 'fouls'. A team that can't adjust to the way a game is called is an ill-prepared team.
This omits those goof-balls that can't make up their minds about what they want to call, but there can't be that many of them around. Can there?
Let's assume basketball was a no-contact sport (pfffft. right). In that case, any contact would be a foul. A ref could influence the play of the game by the way he or she calls fouls--loose "let 'em play" or tight. All teams should be prepared to play the no-contact game, since that's the original assumption. And the best prepared teams can play to the limits they're given.
My experience is that basketball is becoming increasingly like football and refs are pretty selective about the kind of contact they call 'fouls'. A team that can't adjust to the way a game is called is an ill-prepared team.
This omits those goof-balls that can't make up their minds about what they want to call, but there can't be that many of them around. Can there?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: mythicalbird on February 27, 2007, 02:57:04 PM
Post by: mythicalbird on February 27, 2007, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
For the record, I'm not accusing anyone of anything; I don't know this Chuck guy, so I have no idea how he refs. I do think it's weak, though, to claim a game was called well or badly based on the relative number of fouls doled out to each team. And I've argued earlier on this site that I've rarely seen a game where the outcome is influenced much less determined by the calls.
Let's assume basketball was a no-contact sport (pfffft. right). In that case, any contact would be a foul. A ref could influence the play of the game by the way he or she calls fouls--loose "let 'em play" or tight. All teams should be prepared to play the no-contact game, since that's the original assumption. And the best prepared teams can play to the limits they're given.
My experience is that basketball is becoming increasingly like football and refs are pretty selective about the kind of contact they call 'fouls'. A team that can't adjust to the way a game is called is an ill-prepared team.
This omits those goof-balls that can't make up their minds about what they want to call, but there can't be that many of them around. Can there?
Well I DO know Chuck personally. I have for about 10 years....before he was even a coach at Regis High School. Therefore I WOULD NOT defame him, nor did I really. I just pointed out the irony with the Stout/AAU connection that EVERYONE who knows West Wisconsin Basketball saw at Johnson Fieldhouse on Saturday. As stated earlier, I don't think he had anything to do with the outcome. But as I believe (and many others that I have spoken with) I would NOT put myself in the position that he put himself in with close ties to each program whether it be through sponsors, boosters, coaches, and players. That is all.
.......Carry on.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 03:04:17 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 03:04:17 PM
QuoteI would NOT put myself in the position that he put himself in with close ties to each program whether it be through sponsors, boosters, coaches, and players.
Actually, I agree with you on that. Sometimes the appearance if bias only needs the six degrees (or fewer) of separation between a ref and a team involved in the game. The result often is that, whether or not there actually was bias, there is the appearance of bias. That can be so distracting, that it becomes the focus; from that persepective, all calls become suspect.
Then we get into these big discussions, which carry absolutely no weight, because the game is done and gone. There's only next year, at which time we'll pull out this old discussion, dust it off and begin to predict what will happen if what's-his-name shows up to ref.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
My friends at UWSP told me about a game between the Point women and Wheaton about 4 years or so ago. The Wheaton coach discovered just before the game that one of the refs was a UWSP alum.
This was one of Point's Final Four teams, and the score turned ugly early. For the rest of the game, every time that particular official made a debatable call, the Wheaton coach would shout, "Nice call, Point grad!"
This was one of Point's Final Four teams, and the score turned ugly early. For the rest of the game, every time that particular official made a debatable call, the Wheaton coach would shout, "Nice call, Point grad!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 05:49:07 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 05:49:07 PM
Boy the Stout squad is pretty defensive here.
But trying to say the an equal number of called fouls means the game was called fairly is ridiculous. As foul said, there probably can't be the exact same amount of fouls actually committed. Unfortunately I think people (coaches and officials) often do think the number of fouls on the scoreboard do determine whether or not a game is fair and we have seen PLENTY of officials make some calls that appear to "even the number" whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Not to mention PLENTY of coaches and fans who yell ... it's 6-1 blah, blah, blah. Yet the other team is playing a soft 2-3 zone and you're shooting all three's. Looking at the number means nothing.
I know the name Chuck Mourning only in that I've heard him to be associated with the Viking Club. I personally don't understand why the WIAC would put anyone, Chuck, Stout, anyone in that situation. I'm not accusing him of being anything ... it's just a huge game and it's obvious that link is pretty well known. Your rebuttals say if anything, he overcompensates ... that's not good either. In fact, that hurts your point even more. The fact that it would even have to cross his mind probably means he shouldn't call the game. They had two very good officials besides him, and I'm sure there was someone else capable of officiating that game.
He may have reffed perfectly but people have to understand the perception that's going to come out of it ... and it could have been avoided. I know other officials in the league have ties to some of the schools and therefore aren't allowed to officiate that game unless the other team's head coach agrees. So did Eau Claire protest prior or is that just hearsay?
But trying to say the an equal number of called fouls means the game was called fairly is ridiculous. As foul said, there probably can't be the exact same amount of fouls actually committed. Unfortunately I think people (coaches and officials) often do think the number of fouls on the scoreboard do determine whether or not a game is fair and we have seen PLENTY of officials make some calls that appear to "even the number" whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Not to mention PLENTY of coaches and fans who yell ... it's 6-1 blah, blah, blah. Yet the other team is playing a soft 2-3 zone and you're shooting all three's. Looking at the number means nothing.
I know the name Chuck Mourning only in that I've heard him to be associated with the Viking Club. I personally don't understand why the WIAC would put anyone, Chuck, Stout, anyone in that situation. I'm not accusing him of being anything ... it's just a huge game and it's obvious that link is pretty well known. Your rebuttals say if anything, he overcompensates ... that's not good either. In fact, that hurts your point even more. The fact that it would even have to cross his mind probably means he shouldn't call the game. They had two very good officials besides him, and I'm sure there was someone else capable of officiating that game.
He may have reffed perfectly but people have to understand the perception that's going to come out of it ... and it could have been avoided. I know other officials in the league have ties to some of the schools and therefore aren't allowed to officiate that game unless the other team's head coach agrees. So did Eau Claire protest prior or is that just hearsay?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 05:52:05 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 12:07:12 PM
I wish that those making accusations anonymously would have the courage to face Chuck and make their statements. For some reason, I don't think they have the intestinal fortitude to do it.
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What was he accused of?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 06:23:02 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2007, 06:23:02 PM
I agree billys. Nobody accused him of anything. Some of just thought it was an odd choice by the WIAC to assign him to that game. It takes nothing away from him or Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on February 27, 2007, 07:24:25 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on February 27, 2007, 07:24:25 PM
The Wisconsin basketball community is fairly small, if you start to get into who should and should not officate games, then there will be no one left!!
Many of the officials in the league have some type of connection to a school or program. Marnie Boario is a UWSP alumni and former player in the mid 90s, Scott Doberstein is the Athletic Training Dept at UWL, Louie Eisenman, an Eau Claire alumni, ect....................
Being at the game, it was officiated very well.
Why didn't anyone complain when Louie Eisenman reffed the UWEC/Stout game at Stout????
Many of the officials in the league have some type of connection to a school or program. Marnie Boario is a UWSP alumni and former player in the mid 90s, Scott Doberstein is the Athletic Training Dept at UWL, Louie Eisenman, an Eau Claire alumni, ect....................
Being at the game, it was officiated very well.
Why didn't anyone complain when Louie Eisenman reffed the UWEC/Stout game at Stout????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 08:12:25 PM
Post by: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 08:12:25 PM
I'm not reading anyone complaining; I'm seeing people commenting on connections and perceptions. I chose a line about numbers of fouls being even (I tend to gravitate to discussions on fouls, thus the name) and asked a question. I don't actually think there's been a complaint beyond it looking suspicious.
Questions lead to discussions; they shouldn't lead to accusations and bickering. People would probably comment on a possible conflict of interest if Jesus Christ, himself, showed up in stripes to officiate at a Notre Dame basketball game.
Questions lead to discussions; they shouldn't lead to accusations and bickering. People would probably comment on a possible conflict of interest if Jesus Christ, himself, showed up in stripes to officiate at a Notre Dame basketball game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 08:41:42 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: wisconsinball on February 27, 2007, 07:24:25 PMI referenced the connections around the league ... and you're right, there's bound to be some connections. Of the cases I know of, the opposing coach was asked by the league if they were okay with Official A reffing their game despite the connection. That's why I asked if that was done in this case cause it sounds like from what I've read that "school officials" voiced their displeasure.
The Wisconsin basketball community is fairly small, if you start to get into who should and should not officate games, then there will be no one left!!
Many of the officials in the league have some type of connection to a school or program. Marnie Boario is a UWSP alumni and former player in the mid 90s, Scott Doberstein is the Athletic Training Dept at UWL, Louie Eisenman, an Eau Claire alumni, ect....................
Being at the game, it was officiated very well.
Why didn't anyone complain when Louie Eisenman reffed the UWEC/Stout game at Stout????
In this case we are also talking about the WIAC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. It's bound to draw more attention and if people are more aware of the connection, it'll draw more ire. I don't think there are people on here going after Stout. The connection to the AAU Program is widely acknowledged. People don't know the other people you mentioned as well.
I believe 100% that the game was well officiated. Multiple people have said they aren't accusing anyone of anything. Pretty defensive. But I think you're being naive if you don't see why people wouldn't think it odd ... even some who are Stout supporters ... that they wouldn't just eliminate the perception and have someone else officiate the game.
Why didn't anyone complain when Louie Eisenman reffed the UWEC/Stout ... cause no one knows the connection and it probably wouldn't dawn on anyone.
I think though there's a valid argument to eliminating these things cause I do think there are enough decent officials to fill the spots. What if the game had come down to a big block/charge call at the end of the game ... which he had to make ... and it goes against UWEC even if it is the correct call. I would never, from the league's perspective, want someone to be able to acuse one of my officials for making a call based on some perceived bias. Just eliminate the potential perception.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 08:59:26 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: foul_language on February 27, 2007, 08:12:25 PM
I'm not reading anyone complaining; I'm seeing people commenting on connections and perceptions. I chose a line about numbers of fouls being even (I tend to gravitate to discussions on fouls, thus the name) and asked a question. I don't actually think there's been a complaint beyond it looking suspicious.
Questions lead to discussions; they shouldn't lead to accusations and bickering. People would probably comment on a possible conflict of interest if Jesus Christ, himself, showed up in stripes to officiate at a Notre Dame basketball game.
I guess when comments like this are made, BEFORE THE GAME, I consider them complaints:
QuoteWhat I really hope for is a good, clean game and GOOD officiating (something that is hard to come by these days, especially during the playoffs). Doesn't seem right that the WIAC would have one of the refs who is local. Just hope he does his job.
First of all, hoops49 questioned all the officiating in the WIAC. Then questions if an official who has local ties can ref a game objectively. Followed up by a statement about him doing his job.
The only reason I can think of to bring up things like that before a game is to cast aspersions on the outcome of the game before it's even played. Now you may choose to believe differently, but that is how it came across to me.
No one who was at the game from either side has said that the officiating was anything but fair.
I've been to several games that have been officiated by WIAC refs that have ties to one of the teams that was playing.
As Wisconsinball points out, we wouldn't have much of a pool of officials if we eliminated all that have ties (either real or perceived) to one of our WIAC teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Northern_Explorer on February 27, 2007, 09:01:46 PM
Post by: Northern_Explorer on February 27, 2007, 09:01:46 PM
Quote from: billys on February 27, 2007, 05:49:07 PMThe WIAC has been really sloppy in assigning officials in a number of sports - I think it speaks more to the level of competence and integrity (very little, IMHO) in the WIAC office. If they were on the ball, no question you don't have Chuck doing that game - which has NOTHING to do with his abilities as an official, his personal integrity, etc.
I personally don't understand why the WIAC would put anyone, Chuck, Stout, anyone in that situation. I'm not accusing him of being anything ... it's just a huge game and it's obvious that link is pretty well known. Your rebuttals say if anything, he overcompensates ... that's not good either. In fact, that hurts your point even more.
The real test is do you think the Big Ten or Big East would allow this? I think not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 09:05:10 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2007, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: billys on February 27, 2007, 08:41:42 PMWhy didn't anyone complain when Louie Eisenman reffed the UWEC/Stout ... cause no one knows the connection and it probably wouldn't dawn on anyone.
I did.
But then I was also aware of Scott Doberstein being on the UWL athletic staff.
Unless someone is making a case for all WIAC officials with ties to WIAC schools being corrupt, I think we better just accept that these men and women can do their jobs impartially.
If anyone has proof to the contrary, please get in contact with the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 11:28:23 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2007, 11:28:23 PM
I'm not going to get into a urinating contest cause this is obviously going in circles.
For the record I don't think anyone is corrupt.
So ... I'll say from my perspective. I know, and have been told, Scott Doberstein is a good official. Looking at the box scores from past WIAC Tournaments, he's officiated something like 3/4 of the Championship Games ... so obviously they think he's good. As a de facto UW-L fan ... I would rather he didn't ref a UW-L game. I just think it's an awkward situation whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's all I'm saying and I don't really understand why some of the Stout supporters don't at least concede people could see a conflict of interests, as unjust as you feel they might be.
That's all.
Good luck to Stout this weekend. Represent the conference well. I know UW-L had a good battle with Simpson earlier this year ... couldn't stop them defensively. Didn't see it but looking at the box score a couple girls had really good games for Simpson.
That lady in the middle for Stout will probably have something to say about the ease of their attempts.
For the record I don't think anyone is corrupt.
So ... I'll say from my perspective. I know, and have been told, Scott Doberstein is a good official. Looking at the box scores from past WIAC Tournaments, he's officiated something like 3/4 of the Championship Games ... so obviously they think he's good. As a de facto UW-L fan ... I would rather he didn't ref a UW-L game. I just think it's an awkward situation whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's all I'm saying and I don't really understand why some of the Stout supporters don't at least concede people could see a conflict of interests, as unjust as you feel they might be.
That's all.
Good luck to Stout this weekend. Represent the conference well. I know UW-L had a good battle with Simpson earlier this year ... couldn't stop them defensively. Didn't see it but looking at the box score a couple girls had really good games for Simpson.
That lady in the middle for Stout will probably have something to say about the ease of their attempts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2007, 07:15:13 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2007, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: billys on February 27, 2007, 11:28:23 PMSo ... I'll say from my perspective. I know, and have been told, Scott Doberstein is a good official. Looking at the box scores from past WIAC Tournaments, he's officiated something like 3/4 of the Championship Games ... so obviously they think he's good. As a de facto UW-L fan ... I would rather he didn't ref a UW-L game. I just think it's an awkward situation whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's all I'm saying and I don't really understand why some of the Stout supporters don't at least concede people could see a conflict of interests, as unjust as you feel they might be.
I hope you didn't construe that I felt Scott wasn't a good official from my post.
Scott has reffed many a UWL/Stout game. I have no problem with him as an official. He does a good job.
As I said before:
"Unless someone is making a case for all WIAC officials with ties to WIAC schools being corrupt, I think we better just accept that these men and women can do their jobs impartially.
If anyone has proof to the contrary, please get in contact with the WIAC."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 28, 2007, 08:43:22 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 28, 2007, 08:43:22 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 28, 2007, 07:15:13 AMQuote from: billys on February 27, 2007, 11:28:23 PMSo ... I'll say from my perspective. I know, and have been told, Scott Doberstein is a good official. Looking at the box scores from past WIAC Tournaments, he's officiated something like 3/4 of the Championship Games ... so obviously they think he's good. As a de facto UW-L fan ... I would rather he didn't ref a UW-L game. I just think it's an awkward situation whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's all I'm saying and I don't really understand why some of the Stout supporters don't at least concede people could see a conflict of interests, as unjust as you feel they might be.
I hope you didn't construe that I felt Scott wasn't a good official from my post.
Scott has reffed many a UWL/Stout game. I have no problem with him as an official. He does a good job.
As I said before:
"Unless someone is making a case for all WIAC officials with ties to WIAC schools being corrupt, I think we better just accept that these men and women can do their jobs impartially.
If anyone has proof to the contrary, please get in contact with the WIAC."
I had decided a long time ago that I was going to keep my mouth shut on this one but I can't. I have to agree with Billys on this one. Sorry Champ. First off, in my opinion, Scott Doberstein is the best official in the league, as far as I am concerned, but it still comes down to that awkward situation that Billys talks about. I completely agree. That awkward situation in a championship game with two close rivals is even more obvious in the Mourning discussion. I also think that Chuck is a very good official. But I have said for several years that I would not put myself in that kind of awkward position and do not understand why anyone would want to or be allowed to. Never did get it, never will.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on February 28, 2007, 10:05:49 AM
Post by: foul_language on February 28, 2007, 10:05:49 AM
QuoteI'm not going to get into a urinating contest cause this is obviously going in circles
Count me out, too. I know I'd lose.
Hey, hey. St Norbert vs St Scholastica in hockey this weekend. With the kind of post-season we've had, St Scholastica might just win.
UW-Superior women earn number one spot and host NCHA playoffs this weekend.
I'll check to see who's officiating and report. Who does't want to know...?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
......an attempt to change the subject
Do ya think there's any possiblity we can get Eddie to sing and do some cheers prior to Friday nights match-up (Pat Summitt - Tennessee)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 28, 2007, 10:59:34 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 28, 2007, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
......an attempt to change the subject
Do ya think there's any possiblity we can get Eddie to sing and do some cheers prior to Friday nights match-up (Pat Summitt - Tennessee)
Rico, please, please do not ask him. I'm sure he'll say yes. Now, getting him in a cheerleader outfit--that might be fun.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2007, 11:36:34 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2007, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: foul_language on February 28, 2007, 10:05:49 AMQuote
I'll check to see who's officiating and report.Who does't want to know...?
Me
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 28, 2007, 04:08:10 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on February 28, 2007, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
......an attempt to change the subject
Do ya think there's any possiblity we can get Eddie to sing and do some cheers prior to Friday nights match-up (Pat Summitt - Tennessee)
OH for the love of all that is holy :o
DO NOT ASK!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 04:26:33 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 28, 2007, 10:59:34 AM:can't wait 'til Hoops club tomorrow ::)Quote from: Rico 21 on February 28, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
......an attempt to change the subject
Do ya think there's any possiblity we can get Eddie to sing and do some cheers prior to Friday nights match-up (Pat Summitt - Tennessee)
Rico, please, please do not ask him. I'm sure he'll say yes. Now, getting him in a cheerleader outfit--that might be fun.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
The women's All Conference team has been announced (and I have to admit to being exceptionally disappointed).....http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/07allconference.html
Duoss repeats as POY. Not unexpected and well deserved.
Mark Thomas is the COY. (You won't convince me that Keri C didn't get hosed, so don't try Champ. ;)) I guess getting picked to win the league (again) and doing exactly what everyone thought you would is a bigger accomplishment than going from eighth to second after being picked seventh. (Don't even try, Champ. :D)
Nice to see Lindsey Buechner make the first team and Trisha Thill garner HM honors. Both return next year.
Congrats to Natalie Lechault who was named the scholar athlete. As well as all the players selected and ....yes, you too Mark. :D
Duoss repeats as POY. Not unexpected and well deserved.
Mark Thomas is the COY. (You won't convince me that Keri C didn't get hosed, so don't try Champ. ;)) I guess getting picked to win the league (again) and doing exactly what everyone thought you would is a bigger accomplishment than going from eighth to second after being picked seventh. (Don't even try, Champ. :D)
Nice to see Lindsey Buechner make the first team and Trisha Thill garner HM honors. Both return next year.
Congrats to Natalie Lechault who was named the scholar athlete. As well as all the players selected and ....yes, you too Mark. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
It's not fair, but there is definitely a popularity aspect to the COY award. I'd guess it's very possible some coaches couldn't set aside personal feelings when they voted. That's a shame.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
QuoteI'd guess it's very possible some coaches couldn't set aside personal feelings when they voted
So, either you're saying T is so liked by everyone, he was a shoo in for COY; or the most likely contender was so disliked that he/she (most likely a she, since most of them are) couldn't attract a vote; or...what?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 01:42:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 01:42:15 PM
I can't know for sure, but my feeling is that the likely contender is not very well liked among her peers. And like I said, I think it's B.S. that that should even matter.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2007, 01:51:09 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2007, 01:51:09 PM
WOW! I thought Keri C. was a shoe-in for COY
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 01:58:45 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 01:58:45 PM
I'm trying to envision someone who makes T look like Mr Congeniality ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 02:03:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 01:58:45 PMAh, he's a big old teddy bear. Of course, you know that. I can understand how a new person, watching him from the stands for the first time might think differently, but all you need to do is talk to him for about 30 seconds to see what a good person he is.
I'm trying to envision someone who makes T look like Mr Congeniality ;D
I tend to think the same about all of the WIAC coaches, the ones I've met anyway. Sometimes that competitive streak can cause one to put on those "perspective blinders."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2007, 02:41:39 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2007, 02:41:39 PM
Anyone know if Blue Devil Video is doing the games this weekend? I was thinking about going to Stout for the games, but it look like the snow will keep me at home....AGAIN!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
Post by: billys on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 01:42:15 PM
I can't know for sure, but my feeling is that the likely contender is not very well liked among her peers. And like I said, I think it's B.S. that that should even matter.
Completely agreed and it is B.S. I believe her youth plays a part in it.
Bottom line is, if you were picked for 7th, finished 2nd, and made the greatest 1-year jump in the history of the league, you probably deserve COTY. It's as much a staff award as it is a coach award ... and it's hard to argue their staff didn't do the best job with their group this year.
That said, I do often think coaches that are expected to do well, are taken for granted. They should also get credit for assembling the talent to earn high expectations (transfers aside). So I'm not trying to take anything away from Coach Thomas. Not that he didn't deserve it, I just think someone deserved it more.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2007, 04:45:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2007, 04:45:49 PM
I've never intended my comments to detract from the job that Mark has done. He's very deserving. It's just that from where they started I think Keri did more and she did it with young players too. I'm befuddled. I actually thought it was a no brainer. So it goes.
It's a wrong we can right next year. ;)
It's a wrong we can right next year. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
This is not intended to be read by BW... ;)
I posted this earlier, and I do think it came into play in making the decision.
Keri was a shoe-in, IMHO, until she lost to Platteville at home in the first round. I know BW doesn't think that should matter, but I think it does. If she had made it to the second round and lost, I think she gets coach of the year. I haven't talked to Coach T on this yet, but I guarantee you he voted for Keri. Keri's his protege, and it was his hope she and her team would be the one's coming to Johnson Fieldhouse last Saturday. I'd be willing to bet that Keri voted for T.
As far as Coach T (and in case anybody doesn't know it, T is my best friend, so I have a certain amount of bias - blast away... ;)) is concerned - yes Stout was picked to win the conference - but that also means that he's had a great big target on his back all season long. Every team brought their "A" game when they played Stout. He and his team survived and excelled with the pressure - even after losing a starting guard for the last 2 regular season games and all of the WIAC tourney.
No school in WIAC WBB Tournament history has won 4 Championships, much less 1 coach doing it with the same school over a 6 year period. Three in a row is also a record, and one that will be difficult to duplicate by any WIAC coach.
As far as the COY being a popularity contest - I don't think the other coaches vote based on popularity, but respect for the accomplishments.
Coach Keri did a great job this season. I fully expect the Warhawk WBB program to prosper under her guidance. She is building her program!!!
I posted this earlier, and I do think it came into play in making the decision.
Keri was a shoe-in, IMHO, until she lost to Platteville at home in the first round. I know BW doesn't think that should matter, but I think it does. If she had made it to the second round and lost, I think she gets coach of the year. I haven't talked to Coach T on this yet, but I guarantee you he voted for Keri. Keri's his protege, and it was his hope she and her team would be the one's coming to Johnson Fieldhouse last Saturday. I'd be willing to bet that Keri voted for T.
As far as Coach T (and in case anybody doesn't know it, T is my best friend, so I have a certain amount of bias - blast away... ;)) is concerned - yes Stout was picked to win the conference - but that also means that he's had a great big target on his back all season long. Every team brought their "A" game when they played Stout. He and his team survived and excelled with the pressure - even after losing a starting guard for the last 2 regular season games and all of the WIAC tourney.
No school in WIAC WBB Tournament history has won 4 Championships, much less 1 coach doing it with the same school over a 6 year period. Three in a row is also a record, and one that will be difficult to duplicate by any WIAC coach.
As far as the COY being a popularity contest - I don't think the other coaches vote based on popularity, but respect for the accomplishments.
Coach Keri did a great job this season. I fully expect the Warhawk WBB program to prosper under her guidance. She is building her program!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 08:16:51 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: billys on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
Bottom line is, if you were picked for 7th, finished 2nd, and made the greatest 1-year jump in the history of the league,
Tied for the greatest 1-year jump. Stevens Point also jumped five spots in the standings going from 8th (2-14) in 94-95 to 3rd (9-7) in 95-96. Their seven game improvement is the best in history, trumping WW's six.
No matter. Carollo should have gotten COY.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 09:48:51 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 09:48:51 PM
There are all kinds of reasons why T should be coach of the year, including the fact that he has managed to recruit a starting ten line-up, although I think once you get a winning team, it kind of recruits on its own. Stout's domination starts with Duoss and is supported by self-less players like Savanah Oeltjen, and it was waaaay gratifying to see her get recognized. First team all conference even when she couldn't be first team Stout for most of the season. Losing Bird didn't even put a dent in the fender on this vehicle.
I would also note that this year's WIAC (let's call it the man[w]iac conference) was crazier than usual. We always say any one team could possibly beat any other team on a given night. In that case, Whitewater's rise to second place might have been as much fluke as talent--did WW go up or did the opponents go down? If WW maintains next season, it looks more like a pattern. But it's just as likely that one of the other teams will have a meteoric rise while others take similar falls. Last year Oshkosh managed a great season on the backs of five very good players; they shouldn't have, because there was no depth. They didn't fare so well this year. If they had, that coach should have been recognized.
River Falls made a good run when all its players were healthy. Again, let's see what happens next year.
Thus, a three-peat as conference champions and potentially a deep run in the NCAA DIII tournament makes T look not only a good candidate for COY but also the best one. He lost virtually half the team from last year and didn't blink.
If Stout can dominate the conference again next year without Duoss, he'll deserve COY again.
UW-Superior cancelled classes tomorrow, as did most of the northern third of Wisconsin and Minnesota. What's happening to Friday night first round play? Can teams get to Menomonie? Both bridges between Superior and Duluth closed stranding out of staters in Minnesota AND Wisconsin. That's reciprocity for you.
I would also note that this year's WIAC (let's call it the man[w]iac conference) was crazier than usual. We always say any one team could possibly beat any other team on a given night. In that case, Whitewater's rise to second place might have been as much fluke as talent--did WW go up or did the opponents go down? If WW maintains next season, it looks more like a pattern. But it's just as likely that one of the other teams will have a meteoric rise while others take similar falls. Last year Oshkosh managed a great season on the backs of five very good players; they shouldn't have, because there was no depth. They didn't fare so well this year. If they had, that coach should have been recognized.
River Falls made a good run when all its players were healthy. Again, let's see what happens next year.
Thus, a three-peat as conference champions and potentially a deep run in the NCAA DIII tournament makes T look not only a good candidate for COY but also the best one. He lost virtually half the team from last year and didn't blink.
If Stout can dominate the conference again next year without Duoss, he'll deserve COY again.
UW-Superior cancelled classes tomorrow, as did most of the northern third of Wisconsin and Minnesota. What's happening to Friday night first round play? Can teams get to Menomonie? Both bridges between Superior and Duluth closed stranding out of staters in Minnesota AND Wisconsin. That's reciprocity for you.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 09:55:04 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 08:16:51 PMQuote from: billys on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
Bottom line is, if you were picked for 7th, finished 2nd, and made the greatest 1-year jump in the history of the league,
Tied for the greatest 1-year jump. Stevens Point also jumped five spots in the standings going from 8th (2-14) in 94-95 to 3rd (9-7) in 95-96. Their seven game improvement is the best in history, trumping WW's six.
No matter. Carollo should have gotten COY.
Stout played WW in the opening round of last year's WIAC tourney, which should have been #1 vs #8.
What BW was saying was they were picked to finish 7th. Of course I told him I expected them to finish much higher back at the start of the season, as I thought the team would improve with last year's experience.
Keri (and her team) did a helluva job!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 09:59:50 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: foul_language on March 01, 2007, 09:48:51 PMUW-Superior cancelled classes tomorrow, as did most of the northern third of Wisconsin and Minnesota. What's happening to Friday night first round play? Can teams get to Menomonie? Both bridges between Superior and Duluth closed stranding out of staters in Minnesota AND Wisconsin. That's reciprocity for you.
Just talked to T about 7:00. All teams made it to Menomonie earlier today, and St. Ben's was actually on the floor practicing.
I'm wondering if we'll be able to make the game tomorrow. I have to work until 5:00 in Rochester (which I have no problem getting there in my truck), but I don't know if Mrs. Champ will be able to get into Roch in the car, based on current conditions. Heck, the way the wind is blowing, she may not be able to get out the driveway!!! :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 01, 2007, 11:42:08 PM
Post by: billys on March 01, 2007, 11:42:08 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 01, 2007, 08:16:51 PMQuote from: billys on March 01, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
Bottom line is, if you were picked for 7th, finished 2nd, and made the greatest 1-year jump in the history of the league,
Tied for the greatest 1-year jump. Stevens Point also jumped five spots in the standings going from 8th (2-14) in 94-95 to 3rd (9-7) in 95-96. Their seven game improvement is the best in history, trumping WW's six.
No matter. Carollo should have gotten COY.
My bad. I was going off of the 8th seed from last year ... not the tie for 7th.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 02, 2007, 12:08:06 AM
Post by: billys on March 02, 2007, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 01, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
This is not intended to be read by BW... ;)
Keri was a shoe-in, IMHO, until she lost to Platteville at home in the first round. I know BW doesn't think that should matter, but I think it does. If she had made it to the second round and lost, I think she gets coach of the year. I haven't talked to Coach T on this yet, but I guarantee you he voted for Keri. Keri's his protege, and it was his hope she and her team would be the one's coming to Johnson Fieldhouse last Saturday. I'd be willing to bet that Keri voted for T.
As far as Coach T (and in case anybody doesn't know it, T is my best friend, so I have a certain amount of bias - blast away... ;)) is concerned - yes Stout was picked to win the conference - but that also means that he's had a great big target on his back all season long. Every team brought their "A" game when they played Stout. He and his team survived and excelled with the pressure - even after losing a starting guard for the last 2 regular season games and all of the WIAC tourney.
No school in WIAC WBB Tournament history has won 4 Championships, much less 1 coach doing it with the same school over a 6 year period. Three in a row is also a record, and one that will be difficult to duplicate by any WIAC coach.
As far as the COY being a popularity contest - I don't think the other coaches vote based on popularity, but respect for the accomplishments.
Coach Keri did a great job this season. I fully expect the Warhawk WBB program to prosper under her guidance. She is building her program!!!
I'm not sure how to break these up, and the last thing I want to do is discredit Coach Thomas at Stout ... cause it's obvious he's a great coach since this was a top four team prior to the last three years.
First of all I'm curious when those votes for all conference go out ... and I know they are supposed to vote on regular season results. So if that tournament game was factored in, it should not have been. It's not a post season award.
I think you're wrong about the "popularity" contest ... Stout was a bigger favorite this year than last ... Whitewater made a bigger improvement this year than La Crosse did last ... yet Coach Thomas had to share the award last year.
I don't think them voting for each other means anything. Of course they did, who else would they vote for when they couldn't vote for themselves? And when you say "protege," let's be honest, she spent three seasons at Stout ... she was also at La Crosse for two ... so it's not like she learned everything she knew from Coach Thomas.
And as far as him hoping her team was the one who came to Stout Saturday ... why again? In this case I'm asking. Do they really get along really well and have a great relationship? Having watched him coach I just don't get the impression he's worried about things like that. That all he would care about would be his team advancing ... not who's coming to play them.
Lastly, no question his last 6 years have been special. I just don't think that's an argument for 2007 Coach of the YEAR.
Just trying to balance out all the Stout love on this board. Now that my friend's not at La Crosse anymore ... I'm a free agent fan. Although I do like watching Stout when they're in the area cause of their style. I could never coach at that speed cause I hate turnovers, but I like watching someone else play it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 02, 2007, 09:01:31 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 02, 2007, 09:01:31 AM
What is the actual criteria used to determine coach of the year? I would suspect making the biggest impact at a conference level would be one; popularity shouldn't play a part, because who cares if people like the person or not; success of the program--and I would (have) argue consistent success to weed out the wackiness of wins and losses in the conferences; I'm sure we're all happy there isn't a swimsuit or evening gown contest, for many reasons. I would also believe that actual day-to-day coaching would play into this, and let's face it, T has a style pretty much all his own. We outsiders are always commenting on the hockey -style line changes, the one-goof up-and-you're-out method, the getting in the faces of players, who are actually playing quite well. The fact is, he puts a team on the floor that usually wins. He brings together an army of players and makes them play well together, mostly.
And you're kinda wrong about this "Stout lovers" comment. I used to be, but I had to change my allegiance. I'm more a Stout admirer now, but that's pretty much because you can't deny Stout is poised for another good year. Look at his backup crew: Hirssig, Stokke, Gerber (what a loss for WW), Edwards. He'll return one Geissler, Boese, Bird from the starting lineup. He's 7/10 of the way to another starting ten.
And you're kinda wrong about this "Stout lovers" comment. I used to be, but I had to change my allegiance. I'm more a Stout admirer now, but that's pretty much because you can't deny Stout is poised for another good year. Look at his backup crew: Hirssig, Stokke, Gerber (what a loss for WW), Edwards. He'll return one Geissler, Boese, Bird from the starting lineup. He's 7/10 of the way to another starting ten.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2007, 02:53:06 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2007, 02:53:06 PM
Coach of the Year should pertain to one year and one year only. I don't see consistent success over a period of time pertaining to this award at all. If it does, we should call it the Coach of the Last Few Recent Years.
The bottom line seems pretty clear to me: Carollo got jobbed because the other coaches don't like her.
The bottom line seems pretty clear to me: Carollo got jobbed because the other coaches don't like her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on March 02, 2007, 06:14:50 PM
Post by: BDshotblocker on March 02, 2007, 06:14:50 PM
GO STOUT!!!!!!!!
Big game tonight!!!!!! I love NCAA home games!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to take away from the COY talk, just excited ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 02, 2007, 06:37:55 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 02, 2007, 06:37:55 PM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2007, 08:04:18 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2007, 08:04:18 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2007, 02:53:06 PMThe bottom line seems pretty clear to me: Carollo got jobbed because the other coaches don't like her.
Who doesn't like her?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on March 02, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
Post by: hoops49 on March 02, 2007, 10:25:02 PM
Major upset for Stout!!!!
86-91
86-91
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2007, 11:39:53 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2007, 11:39:53 PM
Two great games at the Johnson!
Close game all the way, except for the beginning. After the first few minutes, it looked like Stout was going to destroy Simpson. However, Simpson got it together and actually took a 42-36 lead. Stout ends the half with a big run to take a 47-43 halftime lead. Simpson takes control right away in the 2nd and builds a lead of 3 or 4. Stout comes back to tie, but Simpson manages to answer every Blue Devil run. Simpson gets lead up to 10 with 1:30 left. Stout makes a furious comeback (thanks in part to some Simpson missed FTs) and actually gets within 3 with 36sec. Simpson does enough down the stretch to pull out the victory.
Whiton and Franker played excellent for Simpson. Whiton and an odd but effective inside shot, which she hit time and time in the 2nd half. Franker played both well outside and inside. She often posted up in the 2nd half. Basically Stout had no answer for Simpson's inside game.
I know its easy to criticize when a team loses, but I have to wonder why Duoss spent a lot of time in the 2nd half on the bench? She wasn't in foul trouble and she was dominating when she was in there. She ended up going 10-10 from the field. Duoss, along with Oetjen ended their careers playing very well for the Devils. They were clearly the best two on the court for Stout. Hirrsig had a nice hustle game which ended in a double double.
Congrats to Stout on good season. Just wish it didn't end so soon.
Close game all the way, except for the beginning. After the first few minutes, it looked like Stout was going to destroy Simpson. However, Simpson got it together and actually took a 42-36 lead. Stout ends the half with a big run to take a 47-43 halftime lead. Simpson takes control right away in the 2nd and builds a lead of 3 or 4. Stout comes back to tie, but Simpson manages to answer every Blue Devil run. Simpson gets lead up to 10 with 1:30 left. Stout makes a furious comeback (thanks in part to some Simpson missed FTs) and actually gets within 3 with 36sec. Simpson does enough down the stretch to pull out the victory.
Whiton and Franker played excellent for Simpson. Whiton and an odd but effective inside shot, which she hit time and time in the 2nd half. Franker played both well outside and inside. She often posted up in the 2nd half. Basically Stout had no answer for Simpson's inside game.
I know its easy to criticize when a team loses, but I have to wonder why Duoss spent a lot of time in the 2nd half on the bench? She wasn't in foul trouble and she was dominating when she was in there. She ended up going 10-10 from the field. Duoss, along with Oetjen ended their careers playing very well for the Devils. They were clearly the best two on the court for Stout. Hirrsig had a nice hustle game which ended in a double double.
Congrats to Stout on good season. Just wish it didn't end so soon.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Did the long first game seem to affect one team more than the other?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 09:16:02 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 03, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Did the long first game seem to affect one team more than the other?
If anything, it looked like it affected Simpson more. Stout got out to a 9-0 lead 3min into the game. Stout was really flying around out there to start the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 03, 2007, 11:15:39 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 03, 2007, 11:15:39 AM
Tough loss last night; I suspect Stout's win at Simpson last year about this time generated some enthusiasm.
I believe Simpson does competitive opera; I guess they're pretty competitive in basketball, too.
Who's the presumptive favorite between Wheaton and Simpson?
I believe Simpson does competitive opera; I guess they're pretty competitive in basketball, too.
Who's the presumptive favorite between Wheaton and Simpson?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 01:21:18 PM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 01:21:18 PM
Seeing both teams play last night, I would have to say Simpson. Some Wheaton players played a lot on minutes yesterday (2-OT). I think their only chance is to slow the tempo. Simpson has pretty good depth, so even though they ran a lot in yesterday's game with Stout, I think they will have plenty left for tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 06:16:47 PM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 06:16:47 PM
I think the over/under for the game at Stout tonight is set at 100. Neither team brought many fans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 09:49:07 PM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2007, 09:49:07 PM
Simpson destroys Wheaton AT Stout 81-58.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDshotblocker on March 04, 2007, 01:16:01 AM
Post by: BDshotblocker on March 04, 2007, 01:16:01 AM
Quote from: buf on March 03, 2007, 06:16:47 PM
I think the over/under for the game at Stout tonight is set at 100. Neither team brought many fans.
WOW, waaayyyyyyy over. 149 in attendence. What an atmosphere that must have been ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 04, 2007, 11:15:20 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 04, 2007, 11:15:20 AM
I can't believe more locals didn't go to the game. It should have been a good one, but without that, it would have been interesting to see how the two teams played each other. Did Simpson's strategy change from Stout to Wheaton? How far is Simpson likely to go? I see Hope lost in the first round, so they won't repeat. Who's likely to win this? Any ideas?
On the men's side, Point is still strong.
In hockey:
Point women beat Superior women last night to take the NCHA title. Damn Pointers.
Norbert pushed St Scholastica around on the ice last night. I was hoping the Saints from up north would pull a miracle out in the final five or so minutes, as they did in Superior. Place was crowded, with a kinda crappy corner for visitors. I don't know how the Norbert win affects Stout chances; I think there was some kind of mathematical opportunity for Stout to get into the next round.
Weather:
Sunny and cold.
On the men's side, Point is still strong.
In hockey:
Point women beat Superior women last night to take the NCHA title. Damn Pointers.
Norbert pushed St Scholastica around on the ice last night. I was hoping the Saints from up north would pull a miracle out in the final five or so minutes, as they did in Superior. Place was crowded, with a kinda crappy corner for visitors. I don't know how the Norbert win affects Stout chances; I think there was some kind of mathematical opportunity for Stout to get into the next round.
Weather:
Sunny and cold.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on March 05, 2007, 10:46:28 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on March 05, 2007, 10:46:28 AM
Sunny and cold.... gotta love Wisconsin!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 05, 2007, 06:12:18 PM
Post by: foul_language on March 05, 2007, 06:12:18 PM
Any computer geeks out there? I have a wireless router problem; I've been on the phone or waiting for or participating in chatrooms for hours. I want to heave the damn thing out the window. Perhaps, though, among all you sports nuts is one computer nerd who speaks English slowly enough to help me.
Wireless routers may not have it's own basketball web site, but it's crucial to accessing same. Thus, the connection. Or, in this case, lack of.
Wireless routers may not have it's own basketball web site, but it's crucial to accessing same. Thus, the connection. Or, in this case, lack of.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2007, 10:47:43 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2007, 10:47:43 PM
Anyone watch much of the WIAA girls state tournament the last few days?
I've seen a few games, but haven't heard the announcers mention any seniors who are D3 prospects, and where they are possibly headed...
All-state teams were selected yesterday, too; players' colleges weren't listed there, either...
What's the word on recruits, if any???
I've seen a few games, but haven't heard the announcers mention any seniors who are D3 prospects, and where they are possibly headed...
All-state teams were selected yesterday, too; players' colleges weren't listed there, either...
What's the word on recruits, if any???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 11, 2007, 11:37:47 AM
Post by: buf on March 11, 2007, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 10, 2007, 10:47:43 PM
Anyone watch much of the WIAA girls state tournament the last few days?
I've seen a few games, but haven't heard the announcers mention any seniors who are D3 prospects, and where they are possibly headed...
All-state teams were selected yesterday, too; players' colleges weren't listed there, either...
What's the word on recruits, if any???
Yes, I watched many of the games. For the first time in years, I also did not hear the announcers mention anything about d3 college recruits.
How about that D2 title game between Grafton and New London. Great comeback by Grafton, classic choke-job by New London.
As far as recruits, I do have a "Wisconsin Basketball Yearbook" that lists the "Fab 50" senior players college interests. Perhaps sometime this week I can list a few that are looking at WIAC schools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Andrew Wagner on March 12, 2007, 09:44:25 AM
Post by: Andrew Wagner on March 12, 2007, 09:44:25 AM
Foul.... what's the problem?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2007, 10:31:26 AM
Post by: foul_language on March 12, 2007, 10:31:26 AM
QuoteFoul.... what's the problem?
A voice in the wilderness! Thank you!
A wireless router that worked for a month and then quit working, right about the time basketball playoffs started (see, this is a basketball-related conversation). Everything I did to set it up, I redid to make it work again. The laptop says there is a strong signal and that it's connected, but when I go to the internet I get the message that the page is not available and the possible reasons are that there is no connection, among other things. If I connect directly to the modem, I get internet. It looks like the signal is getting caught up in the router and the router is not releasing it. Possibly a mixed setting? But, why work for a month and then quit?
Sounds a bit like some teams, but that's beside the point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 12, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 12, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
Here are some of the "Fab 50" Seniors according to the "Wisconsin Basketball Yearbook" that are looking at WIAC schools (NOTE: player rankings were made BEFORE this season). A-M
Name, School (Rank): College Interests
Brooke Anderson-5'5" PG, Iola-Scandinavia (44): Several state D3 schools
Michelle Boeder-5'10" G, Oshkosh West (22): Bradley, Chicago St, Drake, Winona St. and instate D3 teams
Lucy Dernovsek-5'10" G/F, Lake Holcombe (30): Michigan Tech, state D3 schools & schools out east
Laura Ebbens-5'8" G, Appleton West (46): several state D3 schools
Tori Fink-5'7" G, North Fond du Lac (42): Lakeland and state D3 schools
Tami Gleason-6'2" F, Cuba City (20): Parkside, Minnesota, and state schools
Lacy Laack-5'10" C, Wonewoc Center (40): UWL and several other D3 schools
Lindsey Labadie-5'7" SG, Burlington (36): several D2 & D3 schools
Melissa Lang-5'10" F, Greendale (25): Northern Michigan and several state schools
Lindsey Linstrom-6'0" F/C, Superior (31): Bemidji St., UM-Duluth, Northern Michigan, UW-Superior
I will hopefully do the latter half later on this week.
Name, School (Rank): College Interests
Brooke Anderson-5'5" PG, Iola-Scandinavia (44): Several state D3 schools
Michelle Boeder-5'10" G, Oshkosh West (22): Bradley, Chicago St, Drake, Winona St. and instate D3 teams
Lucy Dernovsek-5'10" G/F, Lake Holcombe (30): Michigan Tech, state D3 schools & schools out east
Laura Ebbens-5'8" G, Appleton West (46): several state D3 schools
Tori Fink-5'7" G, North Fond du Lac (42): Lakeland and state D3 schools
Tami Gleason-6'2" F, Cuba City (20): Parkside, Minnesota, and state schools
Lacy Laack-5'10" C, Wonewoc Center (40): UWL and several other D3 schools
Lindsey Labadie-5'7" SG, Burlington (36): several D2 & D3 schools
Melissa Lang-5'10" F, Greendale (25): Northern Michigan and several state schools
Lindsey Linstrom-6'0" F/C, Superior (31): Bemidji St., UM-Duluth, Northern Michigan, UW-Superior
I will hopefully do the latter half later on this week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 13, 2007, 02:21:11 PM
Post by: buf on March 13, 2007, 02:21:11 PM
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Abbey Pelkofer-5'10" W, Whitnall (35): Michigan Tech & state D3 schools
Tiffany Pugh-5'9" SG, Waterford (34): Minnesota-Moorhead & several state schools
Kaitlyn Pustina-5'7" SG, Cuba City (39): State schools
Sami Solverson-5'10" F, Oconomowoc (49): D3 state schools
Lyndsey Sewald-5'5" PG, Coleman (41): Winona St & UWL
Steffani Stoeger-5'7" PG, Fox Valley Lutheran (23): Grand Valley State, Nothern Michigan, UWO & St. Norbert
Lindsey Wutt-6'1" C, Waterford (13): Marshall, Parkside, Winona St., several D3 schools
Abbey Pelkofer-5'10" W, Whitnall (35): Michigan Tech & state D3 schools
Tiffany Pugh-5'9" SG, Waterford (34): Minnesota-Moorhead & several state schools
Kaitlyn Pustina-5'7" SG, Cuba City (39): State schools
Sami Solverson-5'10" F, Oconomowoc (49): D3 state schools
Lyndsey Sewald-5'5" PG, Coleman (41): Winona St & UWL
Steffani Stoeger-5'7" PG, Fox Valley Lutheran (23): Grand Valley State, Nothern Michigan, UWO & St. Norbert
Lindsey Wutt-6'1" C, Waterford (13): Marshall, Parkside, Winona St., several D3 schools
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 13, 2007, 11:31:01 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 13, 2007, 11:31:01 PM
Good stuff, buf...
I was really impressed with Sheboygan North's Kayla Teschlag, who is headed to UWGB... Smart/court-savvy player; she could probably step in and contribute heavily on a D3 team in her freshman season... Reminds me of Point's Andrea Kraemer, from that 2002 championship team...
What does your yearbook say on Teschlag? Had she settled on GB in that book?
I was really impressed with Sheboygan North's Kayla Teschlag, who is headed to UWGB... Smart/court-savvy player; she could probably step in and contribute heavily on a D3 team in her freshman season... Reminds me of Point's Andrea Kraemer, from that 2002 championship team...
What does your yearbook say on Teschlag? Had she settled on GB in that book?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 14, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 14, 2007, 10:23:14 AM
Great week for Whitney Tyriver. She makes third team All-Central region on D3Hoops.com and she is named a finalist for the Comeback Award by the V Foundation. Read on...
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/tyrivervfoundation.html
http://www.uwsa.edu/wiac/wbasket/tyrivervfoundation.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2007, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2007, 02:23:00 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 13, 2007, 11:31:01 PM
What does your yearbook say on Teschlag? Had she settled on GB in that book?
Yes, she had committed to UWGB before her senior season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 17, 2007, 06:47:02 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 17, 2007, 06:47:02 PM
Stout's Kelsey Duoss repeats as a member on the NCAA Division III Kodak/WBCA All-America Basketball 10-player team...
UWEC recruit, as reported in the La Crosse Tribune:
Ashley Hightower, a 5'8" guard who played on the La Crosse Logan team that lost to Sheboygan North in the state semi finals... She as an honorable mention selection in D1 in the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches All-State team, and was considered the Rangers' defensive stopper... Heading into the tournament, she was second on her team in points and rebounds, averaging 10.4 ppg and 5.4 rebounds, plus a team-leading 1.9 assists per game...
UWEC recruit, as reported in the La Crosse Tribune:
Ashley Hightower, a 5'8" guard who played on the La Crosse Logan team that lost to Sheboygan North in the state semi finals... She as an honorable mention selection in D1 in the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches All-State team, and was considered the Rangers' defensive stopper... Heading into the tournament, she was second on her team in points and rebounds, averaging 10.4 ppg and 5.4 rebounds, plus a team-leading 1.9 assists per game...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 26, 2007, 02:13:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 26, 2007, 02:13:43 PM
A bit of North-West recruiting news:
Lucy Dernovsek (Lake Holcombe)- 5'11" 26.1pts, 10.6rebs, 5.3asts. Made 65 3s, most in the area. Northwest Player of the Year. To either UWEC, UWL, Stout or possibly other schools.
Kristen Laramy (Colfax)- 5'9" 15.4pts. 2nd Team All-Northwest. To possibly UWL.
Lucy Dernovsek (Lake Holcombe)- 5'11" 26.1pts, 10.6rebs, 5.3asts. Made 65 3s, most in the area. Northwest Player of the Year. To either UWEC, UWL, Stout or possibly other schools.
Kristen Laramy (Colfax)- 5'9" 15.4pts. 2nd Team All-Northwest. To possibly UWL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on April 05, 2007, 06:18:44 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on April 05, 2007, 06:18:44 AM
To Buf: Thank you for the positive update! To those of us who like womens BB, we all have know detractors of the sport. if you want to see a classic, go see the KR posting on the MIAAC Foot ball site. it is a couple of pages old. A few of you guys could let him know what you think. i am tired of doing it alone. God Bless!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on April 08, 2007, 09:19:04 AM
Post by: foul_language on April 08, 2007, 09:19:04 AM
I think that fb site is the last refuge for men who are secretly afraid of women. Big talkers, in a purely compensatory way
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on April 16, 2007, 10:31:44 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on April 16, 2007, 10:31:44 AM
FL -
It appears the men's program is picking up some decent recruits. Any activity on the women's side for Superior?
It appears the men's program is picking up some decent recruits. Any activity on the women's side for Superior?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on April 24, 2007, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: bulk19 on April 24, 2007, 01:09:10 PM
Tidbits:
WEAU TV13 in Eau Claire reported that Lucy Dernovsek has selected a D2 school, Michigan Tech. Had been considering UWEC, among others...
I believe I saw in the La Crosse paper that La Crosse Logan guard Ashley Hightower has selected UWEC...
Last, but not least, the Stevens Point Journal reports that Pointer head coach Shirley Egner had preliminary talks over the weekend for the D1 coaching vacancy at UWGB...
WEAU TV13 in Eau Claire reported that Lucy Dernovsek has selected a D2 school, Michigan Tech. Had been considering UWEC, among others...
I believe I saw in the La Crosse paper that La Crosse Logan guard Ashley Hightower has selected UWEC...
Last, but not least, the Stevens Point Journal reports that Pointer head coach Shirley Egner had preliminary talks over the weekend for the D1 coaching vacancy at UWGB...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on April 24, 2007, 10:35:25 PM
Post by: buf on April 24, 2007, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on April 24, 2007, 01:09:10 PM
Tidbits:
I believe I saw in the La Crosse paper that La Crosse Logan guard Ashley Hightower has selected UWEC...
You mentioned that she was going to EC in your March 17th post.
And yes... EC lost out on Dernovsek. That would have been a great pickup. Probably the best player in Northwest Wisconsin this past season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on April 25, 2007, 10:22:07 AM
Post by: foul_language on April 25, 2007, 10:22:07 AM
Rico--
I actually got all my recruiting information about the men's team from Hoops. Isn't that sad? I know Mulhern has been doing some heavy-duty traveling and has had some recruits on campus, but I haven't heard anything about commitments. I've been tempted to drop him a line in a casual sort of way to see how things are going...
How would Shirley do in Green Bay? Does she have a chance at the job? Who else would have a shot? The GB paper suggested the school was looking at someone from the school Borseth came from--Michigan Tech?
Brand new facility for whoever gets the job.
I actually got all my recruiting information about the men's team from Hoops. Isn't that sad? I know Mulhern has been doing some heavy-duty traveling and has had some recruits on campus, but I haven't heard anything about commitments. I've been tempted to drop him a line in a casual sort of way to see how things are going...
How would Shirley do in Green Bay? Does she have a chance at the job? Who else would have a shot? The GB paper suggested the school was looking at someone from the school Borseth came from--Michigan Tech?
Brand new facility for whoever gets the job.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on April 25, 2007, 09:56:05 PM
Post by: Just Bill on April 25, 2007, 09:56:05 PM
UWGB selects South Dakota State coach Aaron Johnston:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/GPG020101/70425152/1225/GPGsports
Egner is still a Pointer.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/GPG020101/70425152/1225/GPGsports
Egner is still a Pointer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 26, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
Post by: billys on April 26, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
Egner probably is still a bit down the list ...
But the job has re-open. Johnston resigned an hour before the press conference ala Borseth a few years back.
The Michigan Tech head coach is probably the new front runner.
But the job has re-open. Johnston resigned an hour before the press conference ala Borseth a few years back.
The Michigan Tech head coach is probably the new front runner.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on May 03, 2007, 09:03:32 AM
Post by: Just Bill on May 03, 2007, 09:03:32 AM
UW-Stout assistant Mark Noll takes job at Dubuque:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1037
Congrats!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1037
Congrats!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: foul_language on May 03, 2007, 02:02:50 PM
Post by: foul_language on May 03, 2007, 02:02:50 PM
I hope to see those U of Dubuque women in playoffs. BEST of luck to Mark Noll in Iowa.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BVHawk on May 03, 2007, 02:43:02 PM
Post by: BVHawk on May 03, 2007, 02:43:02 PM
Noll will have his work cut out for him, but it appears that UD has landed a heck of a coach!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on May 04, 2007, 10:27:37 AM
Post by: Rico 21 on May 04, 2007, 10:27:37 AM
Best of luck to Coach Noll. Stout's losing a class individual.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 29, 2007, 02:48:02 PM
Post by: billys on May 29, 2007, 02:48:02 PM
UW-L's Sarah Stachula tragically died in a car accident early Sunday morning in Milwaukee.
I wanted to write and pass on my condolences to her family, friends, and teammates and I knew some you regular would probably like to do the same. The story has not been extremely public, especially on the west side of the state, but she was really nice girl who sadly has passed away way too young.
Rest in peace Sarah.
I wanted to write and pass on my condolences to her family, friends, and teammates and I knew some you regular would probably like to do the same. The story has not been extremely public, especially on the west side of the state, but she was really nice girl who sadly has passed away way too young.
Rest in peace Sarah.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on May 29, 2007, 07:05:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on May 29, 2007, 07:05:54 PM
A very nice article about Sarah. I'm so sorry to the UW-L community and Sarah's family for their loss.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=611461
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=611461
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on May 29, 2007, 10:08:04 PM
Post by: bulk19 on May 29, 2007, 10:08:04 PM
My condolences, too, to Sarah's family, relatives, friends, and the extended families she developed through her athletic endeavors...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 13, 2007, 07:35:56 PM
Post by: buf on June 13, 2007, 07:35:56 PM
UWEC's recruiting class:
Hannah Messick (Chatfield, MN)- 6'2" 16.3pts 10.3rebs
Nicole Nusberger (Boyceville)- 6'0" 3rd team All-Northwest
Jackie Hauser (Whitehall)- 6'1" Special Mention All-Northwest
Ashley Hightower (La Crosse Logan)- 5'8" Two time all state honorable mention
Kate Weinberg (St. Croix Falls)- 5'7" 21.5pts 4.4rebs in Jr. season
Hannah Messick (Chatfield, MN)- 6'2" 16.3pts 10.3rebs
Nicole Nusberger (Boyceville)- 6'0" 3rd team All-Northwest
Jackie Hauser (Whitehall)- 6'1" Special Mention All-Northwest
Ashley Hightower (La Crosse Logan)- 5'8" Two time all state honorable mention
Kate Weinberg (St. Croix Falls)- 5'7" 21.5pts 4.4rebs in Jr. season
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Rico 21 on July 09, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
Post by: Rico 21 on July 09, 2007, 12:09:57 PM
I've heard from what I consider a reliable source that Stout's Kelsey Duoss will likely be continuing her hoops career playing for a team in Australia. Best wishes, Kelsey!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 09, 2007, 07:55:49 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 09, 2007, 07:55:49 PM
If that works out, she won't be the only D3 WBB player who's played down there--on the NAthCon Women's Basketball board I've posted a link about one of Edgewood's players landing on an all-star team that's currently down there until 7/15 I(Reply #535 on Northern Athletics Conference WBB board).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on July 10, 2007, 11:34:13 AM
Post by: billys on July 10, 2007, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 09, 2007, 07:55:49 PMNo disrespect, but there are 5-10 WIAC players a year who pay to go play on an international tour.
If that works out, she won't be the only D3 WBB player who's played down there--on the NAthCon Women's Basketball board I've posted a link about one of Edgewood's players landing on an all-star team that's currently down there until 7/15 I(Reply #535 on Northern Athletics Conference WBB board).
Duoss signed a contract to play professionally in Australia.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 10, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 10, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to step on anyone's toes. Instead of paying to play (amateur international tours), she is a professional now. What team btw is Duoss playing for?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 11, 2007, 09:18:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 11, 2007, 09:18:02 AM
Good luck to Duoss.
IMO Edgewood's Megan Scheele could play for any team in the WIAC, would probably start for the majority of them and she's only going to be a junior next season. She can play.
IMO Edgewood's Megan Scheele could play for any team in the WIAC, would probably start for the majority of them and she's only going to be a junior next season. She can play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on July 11, 2007, 10:43:16 AM
Post by: billys on July 11, 2007, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on July 11, 2007, 09:18:02 AMI agree, she's good ... I just thought there was a comparison going on and although a great opportunity for the kids, knowing how those tour teams are chosen, it's a far cry from signing a pro contract.
IMO Edgewood's Megan Scheele could play for any team in the WIAC, would probably start for the majority of them and she's only going to be a junior next season. She can play.
Brittany Herrick also logged some professional time last year in Germany. Not sure if that got any talk on here or not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 15, 2007, 08:36:59 PM
Post by: bulk19 on July 15, 2007, 08:36:59 PM
A UW-Stout team wins the Gus Macker tournament this weekend in EC. Roster included Dani Boese, Joanna Bird, Julia Hirssig and Mary Schaefer...
Other participants I recognized:
Current UWEC Blugolds - Ashley Anderson, Heidi Arcisewski, Michelle Burns, Jen Charboneau, Missy Fremstad, Rachel Mueggenborg, Heather Witt, Amanda Zenner
Former Blugolds - Rachel Becker, Brooke Wozniak, Jessica Dickey, Joanna Leafblad, Becca Carstensen, Kelli Emerson
UW Stout - Jenny McDermid and Kelsey Duoss
UW Oshkosh - Brittany Herrick, Kelly OKeef, Michele Rosicky
Boston U - Larissa Parr
SDSU - Jessica Huettl
Other participants I recognized:
Current UWEC Blugolds - Ashley Anderson, Heidi Arcisewski, Michelle Burns, Jen Charboneau, Missy Fremstad, Rachel Mueggenborg, Heather Witt, Amanda Zenner
Former Blugolds - Rachel Becker, Brooke Wozniak, Jessica Dickey, Joanna Leafblad, Becca Carstensen, Kelli Emerson
UW Stout - Jenny McDermid and Kelsey Duoss
UW Oshkosh - Brittany Herrick, Kelly OKeef, Michele Rosicky
Boston U - Larissa Parr
SDSU - Jessica Huettl
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 18, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
Post by: bulk19 on July 18, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
As alluded to in an earlier post here - Kelsey Duoss does indeed sign a contract to play in Australia...
WEAU TV13 has the story tonight, with interviews with Duoss and Coach Thomas...
http://www.weau.com/sports/headlines/8585122.html
WEAU TV13 has the story tonight, with interviews with Duoss and Coach Thomas...
http://www.weau.com/sports/headlines/8585122.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 19, 2007, 01:55:16 PM
Post by: buf on July 19, 2007, 01:55:16 PM
Stout's Recruiting Class
Kristen Laramy (Colfax)
Brittney Gerber (Exeland)
Becky Wyngaard (Kimberly)
Shelby Churchill (Sheboygan North)
Nichole Skillman (Janesville Craig)
Alex Suda (Baline, MN)
Alsiha Todd (Farmington, MN)
Tricia Van Vreede (Kimberly)
Kristen Laramy (Colfax)
Brittney Gerber (Exeland)
Becky Wyngaard (Kimberly)
Shelby Churchill (Sheboygan North)
Nichole Skillman (Janesville Craig)
Alex Suda (Baline, MN)
Alsiha Todd (Farmington, MN)
Tricia Van Vreede (Kimberly)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 27, 2007, 04:40:57 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 27, 2007, 04:40:57 PM
Only 8 for Stout this year? That's like half of their usual class......
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on July 29, 2007, 01:57:03 PM
Post by: The Champ on July 29, 2007, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: voft on July 27, 2007, 04:40:57 PM
Only 8 for Stout this year? That's like half of their usual class......
They only had 9 freshman last season. 8 is about average...
Quality, not quantity...;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 29, 2007, 11:40:39 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on July 29, 2007, 11:40:39 PM
Or quantity, when they go on the road and teams need to find more chairs for their bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on July 30, 2007, 09:00:33 AM
Post by: The Champ on July 30, 2007, 09:00:33 AM
Quote from: voft on July 29, 2007, 11:40:39 PM
Or quantity, when they go on the road and teams need to find more chairs for their bench.
So true on the other WIAC teams not providing enough chairs for Coach T's Runnin' Lady Blue Devils.
But those are "quality" players that are coming off the bench during line changes for Stout. Some of those "bench" players could be starters for many teams in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 01, 2007, 09:28:01 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 01, 2007, 09:28:01 AM
I didn't notice anyone standing in WHITEWATER. ;)
Do Mark and Eddie have some sort of contest as to who can bring in the most recruits in a season? :D ;)
Do Mark and Eddie have some sort of contest as to who can bring in the most recruits in a season? :D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on August 03, 2007, 08:34:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on August 03, 2007, 08:34:38 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 01, 2007, 09:28:01 AM
I didn't notice anyone standing in WHITEWATER. ;)
Do Mark and Eddie have some sort of contest as to who can bring in the most recruits in a season? :D ;)
Thanks to the wonderful facility you have at UWW (second only to Johnson Fieldhouse), it seems that they purchased enoung seating for the players of the opposing teams... Now if you could just get as many fans in the stands as Stout does... ;D
Mark's only concern is how his team performs - he really doesn't worry about what Eddie does.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 11, 2007, 11:37:29 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on August 11, 2007, 11:37:29 AM
Fresh from the rumor mill, I have reliable sources saying that Oshkosh is going to be back to square one rebuilding this team. Supposedly some of the girls (starters a year ago) are leaving the team for various reasons.
As always, until i have confirmation and know exactly what's going on, I'll pass it around. But from the sounds of it, expect more freshmen to start for Oshkosh in the upcoming year, or more walk-ons.
As always, until i have confirmation and know exactly what's going on, I'll pass it around. But from the sounds of it, expect more freshmen to start for Oshkosh in the upcoming year, or more walk-ons.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on August 12, 2007, 08:01:47 PM
Post by: buf on August 12, 2007, 08:01:47 PM
Interesting. Keep us posted on that situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on August 24, 2007, 11:08:21 PM
Post by: bulk19 on August 24, 2007, 11:08:21 PM
UWL has commitments from nine players, including to D2 transfers and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's female athlete of the year, Ashley Imperiale, an AP first-team all stater.
Imperiale, a guard, averaged 18 pog, 8.7 rpg, 3.5 steals and 3 apg last year at Greendale High School.
The two transfers, center Lana Marjonovic and Katie Zellner, played at Winona State last year.
Other recruits include: forward Dana Churchill (11.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg) from Sheboygan North's D1 runner up team; Melissa Lang, from Greendale; Lindsey Litrenta, from D.C. Everest; Taylor Larson, from Badger; Sierra Spaude, from Sturgeon Bay; and Betsy McGinnity, from Pulaski.
Imperiale, a guard, averaged 18 pog, 8.7 rpg, 3.5 steals and 3 apg last year at Greendale High School.
The two transfers, center Lana Marjonovic and Katie Zellner, played at Winona State last year.
Other recruits include: forward Dana Churchill (11.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg) from Sheboygan North's D1 runner up team; Melissa Lang, from Greendale; Lindsey Litrenta, from D.C. Everest; Taylor Larson, from Badger; Sierra Spaude, from Sturgeon Bay; and Betsy McGinnity, from Pulaski.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on August 25, 2007, 09:34:45 AM
Post by: buf on August 25, 2007, 09:34:45 AM
WOW! A first teamer to a WIAC school. That doesn't happen very often. The last I can think of was Nya Geshke to UWEC who ended up transferring to UWW. Good pick up for UWL.
Lana Marjonovic played a year for EC then was going to go to UWW but instead went to Winona. She's a transfer machine!
Lana Marjonovic played a year for EC then was going to go to UWW but instead went to Winona. She's a transfer machine!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on August 25, 2007, 05:20:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on August 25, 2007, 05:20:18 PM
I tought Marjonovic's name looked familiar... ;)
Interesting schedule for the Blugolds. They go almost a month and a half without a game at Zorn. Play Nov. 28 against St. Cloud, and then don't have a home game until Jan. 9, when Superior comes to town.
They start December with three conference away games, at Stout, Platteville and La Crosse, play Carleton on Dec. 11, and then take the semester break, until they fly to San Diego for a tournament at the end of the month.
They get four of five final conference games at home down the stretch in February, though - Oshkosh, UWRF, UWP and Stout, with a trip to UWSP sandwiched in between...
Interesting schedule for the Blugolds. They go almost a month and a half without a game at Zorn. Play Nov. 28 against St. Cloud, and then don't have a home game until Jan. 9, when Superior comes to town.
They start December with three conference away games, at Stout, Platteville and La Crosse, play Carleton on Dec. 11, and then take the semester break, until they fly to San Diego for a tournament at the end of the month.
They get four of five final conference games at home down the stretch in February, though - Oshkosh, UWRF, UWP and Stout, with a trip to UWSP sandwiched in between...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on September 15, 2007, 10:46:00 AM
Post by: Just Bill on September 15, 2007, 10:46:00 AM
UW-Stevens Point has a new athletics web site:
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ugot2loveit on October 01, 2007, 09:00:15 AM
Post by: ugot2loveit on October 01, 2007, 09:00:15 AM
Hi...I'm posting for the 1st time and getting excited about the upcoming bball season for the girls. This board has been way to quiet for awhile. Any thoughts on who will be tough this year and who will not be? Love to hear your thoughts...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 01, 2007, 02:16:51 PM
Post by: buf on October 01, 2007, 02:16:51 PM
I would look for Whitewater and Point to be up at the top with EC and Stout closely battling them for the conference title.
-Mr Downtown
Now that school is back in session, have you found out any further information on the situation at UWO?
-Mr Downtown
Now that school is back in session, have you found out any further information on the situation at UWO?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 10, 2007, 07:03:15 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 10, 2007, 07:03:15 PM
UW Stout's new Asst Coach...
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For those that remember from a few years back (2001 - 2005), Erin Churchill, former point guard for the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils has rejoined the team!!!
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Coach T giving some pregame tips to Erin prior to the Game against Ripon College in the 2005 DIII tourney.
Coach T lost both his AC's this year, but I expect great things of Erin C. She was a leader on the court as a player - she should do fine in her new role as a college coach!
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For those that remember from a few years back (2001 - 2005), Erin Churchill, former point guard for the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils has rejoined the team!!!
QuoteFormer UW-Stout standout guard Erin Churchill begins her first season as an assistant women's basketball coach. Churchill, a Plum City native, played for UW-Stout from 2001-05 where she was a two-time all-WIAC honorable mention pick, a four year letterwinner and an integral part when Stout won conference championships in 2002 and 2005. Churchill played in all 112 games she suited up for, which, up to that point, was a school record. Churchill earned a starting role with the Blue Devils during her sophomore season and went on to start 83 games. For her career, Churchill finished with 844 total points (7.5 ppg), 483 rebounds (4.2 rpg) and 383 assists (3.4 apg). Since graduating from Stout early childhood education, Churchill has been pursuing a masters from Stout in family development. She has coached at Eau Claire Regis and in Menomonie School District. In addition to coaching duties, Churchill will also be an instructor in the Physical Education Department. Churchill is engaged to marry Eric Konsela this fall and the couple plan to reside in Menomonie.
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Coach T giving some pregame tips to Erin prior to the Game against Ripon College in the 2005 DIII tourney.
Coach T lost both his AC's this year, but I expect great things of Erin C. She was a leader on the court as a player - she should do fine in her new role as a college coach!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 12, 2007, 12:08:04 AM
Post by: billys on October 12, 2007, 12:08:04 AM
We'll see if Erin C. can recruit like the others did. Mark Noll spent a lot of time on the road.
Sounds like the stud freshman at La Crosse might not play this year. I guess we'll find out come media day.
Interesting; no Wisdom on the Platteville roster. They are without a senior it appears. Platt, SP, and WW have rosters up ... interesting since they haven't even started practice yet.
The addition of Kelsey Hendrickson will be huge for WW.
Wonder if this might be a final run for Coach Egner at Point. A LOT of good seniors on this year's team
I'm on a similar thought process as buf- forced to order them without seeing official rosters I'd say EC, SP, WW, Stout, LaX, Plat, Osh, RF, Super.
I don't think there is as much parity as there was the past few years. I think there's a line after the top four with UWL able to go one way or another and then the bottom four clearly in the bottom four.
Sounds like the stud freshman at La Crosse might not play this year. I guess we'll find out come media day.
Interesting; no Wisdom on the Platteville roster. They are without a senior it appears. Platt, SP, and WW have rosters up ... interesting since they haven't even started practice yet.
The addition of Kelsey Hendrickson will be huge for WW.
Wonder if this might be a final run for Coach Egner at Point. A LOT of good seniors on this year's team
I'm on a similar thought process as buf- forced to order them without seeing official rosters I'd say EC, SP, WW, Stout, LaX, Plat, Osh, RF, Super.
I don't think there is as much parity as there was the past few years. I think there's a line after the top four with UWL able to go one way or another and then the bottom four clearly in the bottom four.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: godawgs on October 14, 2007, 02:10:15 AM
Post by: godawgs on October 14, 2007, 02:10:15 AM
SP is going to be on top w/out a doubt...too much experience. i go to school w/the "stud" freshman's friend and rumor is transferring to uwm at semester to start practicing w/team. i agree w/ billys line between top 4 and bottom
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 10:21:12 AM
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: godawgs on October 14, 2007, 02:10:15 AM
SP is going to be on top w/out a doubt...too much experience. i go to school w/the "stud" freshman's friend and rumor is transferring to uwm at semester to start practicing w/team. i agree w/ billys line between top 4 and bottom
Please retype your second sentence in English so we can all enjoy it.
I've looked at SP's roster and I don't see anyone I'd classify as a "stud" freshman. Who are you talking about?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 14, 2007, 04:56:43 PM
Post by: billys on October 14, 2007, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 10:21:12 AMAshley Imperiale at UW-LQuote from: godawgs on October 14, 2007, 02:10:15 AM
SP is going to be on top w/out a doubt...too much experience. i go to school w/the "stud" freshman's friend and rumor is transferring to uwm at semester to start practicing w/team. i agree w/ billys line between top 4 and bottom
Please retype your second sentence in English so we can all enjoy it.
I've looked at SP's roster and I don't see anyone I'd classify as a "stud" freshman. Who are you talking about?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 06:01:45 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 06:01:45 PM
Um, thanks. Now I'm even more confused. Can anyone explain this to me like I'm a fourth grader?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 14, 2007, 08:55:36 PM
Post by: buf on October 14, 2007, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 06:01:45 PM
Um, thanks. Now I'm even more confused. Can anyone explain this to me like I'm a fourth grader?
Imperiale was on UWL's recruiting list for this upcoming season. I believe she was an All State 1st Team member (5 players) last year in high school. This basically means that she was one of the top 5 players in the state according to the organization that published it. Usually players on the 1st team go to D1 schools. I believe that the last 1st team all state player that went to a WIAC school was Nya Geske (to UWEC, then UWW). Former UWO player, Kay Mikolazak??, I think was a 2nd Team member that same year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 09:20:09 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 09:20:09 PM
Great. What does any of that have to do with Stevens Point or somebody transferring to UWM as godawgs referred to?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 14, 2007, 09:47:20 PM
Post by: billys on October 14, 2007, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 14, 2007, 09:20:09 PMNothing to do with Stevens Point ... that was the first sentence.
Great. What does any of that have to do with Stevens Point or somebody transferring to UWM as godawgs referred to?
The stud freshman in the second sentence being referred to was Imperiale who I heard was not going to play at UWL (although listed on their recruit list). godawgs replied with the information she may be transferring to Milwaukee at semester.
And she is GOOD. Too bad for LaX.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 09:10:32 AM
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 09:10:32 AM
Got it. Since godawgs never mentioned UWL in the post, I assumed we were still talking about UWSP. Silly me for thinking sentence 1 had something to do with sentence 2. ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 15, 2007, 11:34:27 AM
Post by: billys on October 15, 2007, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 09:10:32 AM
Got it. Since godawgs never mentioned UWL in the post, I assumed we were still talking about UWSP. Silly me for thinking sentence 1 had something to do with sentence 2. ::)
Understandable. And people say punctuation and grammar shouldn't matter on a message board :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 15, 2007, 12:32:02 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 15, 2007, 12:32:02 PM
Quote-Mr Downtown
Now that school is back in session, have you found out any further information on the situation at UWO?
Here is the situation for Oshkosh concerning last year's team.
Arin Lane
Kayla Sharpee
Dawn LaBonte
Aubrey Wisen
Those girls will NOT be returning to the team for various reasons. Talking to Coach Schumacher, she recruited an injured class. Sounds like she had no idea about the injury history of her players, but this is D-III, not D-I. I'm sure athletes can hide that info.
Now, as far as the media rumor mill, Jenna Southward is also a ?
and...Amanda Dempsey is a Spanish minor, and UWO has all spanish minors study abroad. She will be in Spain in Jan. So she's out this season.
Oshkosh might lose 6 of its 9 players from last year's team. That's the bad news. The good news, this years crop is much better than last year's, though the end result might not be any different.
Then again, who knows this year in the WIAC for both Women's and Men's. Anything can happen (and probably will).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: godawgs on October 15, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
Post by: godawgs on October 15, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
sorry, i didn't mean to be so confusing. i simply meant that i though steven's point is going to be good this year. i've confirmed the rumor that imperiale is transfering to milwaukee at semester and going to play ball there. i was looking forward to seeing her play in the wiac, but i guess i'll have to wait and watch the horizon league. hope that clears everything up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 05:30:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 05:30:54 PM
Stunning turn of events over the last few year's for a proud Oshkosh program. I thought Schumacher might struggle in the transition from high school, but I never would have predicted this kind of turmoil.
Mr. DT,
Any idea if those students remain enrolled at UW-O or have any moved on. I know many of those players were also coveted by other WIAC schools. With Southworth, Lane and Wisen all from central Wisconsin it probably wouldn't be suprising to see at least one of them end up on the Pointers' roster in the future.
Are these personality clashes with the coach or just a lack of desire to continue playing basketball? If you don't care to share what you know, I would respect that of course.
Mr. DT,
Any idea if those students remain enrolled at UW-O or have any moved on. I know many of those players were also coveted by other WIAC schools. With Southworth, Lane and Wisen all from central Wisconsin it probably wouldn't be suprising to see at least one of them end up on the Pointers' roster in the future.
Are these personality clashes with the coach or just a lack of desire to continue playing basketball? If you don't care to share what you know, I would respect that of course.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ugot2loveit on October 15, 2007, 06:10:13 PM
Post by: ugot2loveit on October 15, 2007, 06:10:13 PM
Is there a team in the WIAC playing a women's D1 team early this season? I know the Point women played the Badgers last year...thanks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Stout is playing the Badgers in an exhibition game this year. The schools have a rotating schedule, but some of them choose not to participate in it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 15, 2007, 07:42:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 15, 2007, 07:42:39 PM
QuoteAre these personality clashes with the coach or just a lack of desire to continue playing basketball? If you don't care to share what you know, I would respect that of course.
This what I can comment on.
Sharpee has bad knees and can't play ever again it sounds like. Wisen has a bad back , so that's two injuried players.
I can't comment about Lane and Labonte. Southward, like I said, is still a question mark.
There's always the rumors that spread about players not liking particular coaches because they are too tough at UWO. Funny, I thought this was college, not high school. I know its D-III and these athletes compete because they love the sport, but anyone that has participated in anything know that no one likes to lose. Oh, and when you play in the WIAC, the toughest conference in the land, you have to be tough to survive.
Now, if those rumors are true about certain players, then good riddence. Coach Schumacher or any Collegiate coach don't need athletes that don't posses the attitude it takes to succeed on the court (and in some cases, off the court).
Coach Schumacher seems happier with this new recruiting class than last year. So things might look up for Oshkosh. And with Whitney Tyriver the Senior Captain, I think she will be a good influence on the new crop of players, and show what it means to be tough.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 08:30:00 PM
I agree with you, but all coaches have different styles and not every style is compatible with every player. And not every coach communicates and handles players and situations correctly 100% of the time.
Perhaps Schumacher needs to work a little harder on checking her recruits to make sure that they are compatible to her coaching style. Fair assessment?
I don't get the "history of injuries" problem. That's about the simplest thing there is to check out during the recruiting process. If they truly recruited a bunch of kids not knowing they all had lingering injuries, then that's pretty sloppy work. Sometimes in D-III you gladly take a kid that had a past injury that may have kept them from going D-I or D-II, but I've never heard of a coach who didn't know the injury history of the kids they recruit.
Perhaps Schumacher needs to work a little harder on checking her recruits to make sure that they are compatible to her coaching style. Fair assessment?
I don't get the "history of injuries" problem. That's about the simplest thing there is to check out during the recruiting process. If they truly recruited a bunch of kids not knowing they all had lingering injuries, then that's pretty sloppy work. Sometimes in D-III you gladly take a kid that had a past injury that may have kept them from going D-I or D-II, but I've never heard of a coach who didn't know the injury history of the kids they recruit.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 16, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
Post by: BDB on October 16, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Stout is playing the Badgers in an exhibition game this year. The schools have a rotating schedule, but some of them choose not to participate in it.
Would have been interesting if Stout's rotation had come up last year when Duoss was still around to see how she would have competed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2007, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2007, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on October 16, 2007, 04:37:56 PMQuote from: Just Bill on October 15, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Stout is playing the Badgers in an exhibition game this year. The schools have a rotating schedule, but some of them choose not to participate in it.
Would have been interesting if Stout's rotation had come up last year when Duoss was still around to see how she would have competed.
Point thought the same thing when they played the Badgers the year after Nechuta graduated.
P.S. I believe Duoss did play against the Badgers when she was at UIC. I remember watching it on TV. Or perhaps UIC was playing UWGB.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 16, 2007, 04:46:20 PM
Post by: BDB on October 16, 2007, 04:46:20 PM
JB, which schools have opted out of the Badger rotation?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2007, 06:03:35 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2007, 06:03:35 PM
I don't know for sure. We know of course that Platteville, Stevens Point and Stout are in. When it was propsed, I was told that Eau Claire and River Falls were two schools that were fairly adamant about NOT participating. I believe that Oshkosh wanted in when Coach Ruder was there, but I don't know if that has changed. I don't know anything about where Whitewater, La Crosse and Superior stand.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on October 22, 2007, 01:10:07 PM
Post by: UWRF on October 22, 2007, 01:10:07 PM
Word on campus is RF Forward Kelsie Flanscha has left the team.
Falcons are barely returning 15 ppg this season. Could be a long year without some girls stepping up.
Falcons are barely returning 15 ppg this season. Could be a long year without some girls stepping up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 22, 2007, 01:35:16 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 22, 2007, 01:35:16 PM
Thanks for the info! We don't usually get much Falcon information on the board, so I hope you stick around for the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 22, 2007, 04:47:28 PM
Post by: buf on October 22, 2007, 04:47:28 PM
Geesh! Players are dropping left and right. Besides UWP, UWL, UWO and RF, are there any other conference schools that are missing significant players that were expected to be on their team this season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on October 22, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
Post by: UWRF on October 22, 2007, 10:12:17 PM
Yeah ill be around for the year checking in. I did full-time play-by-play last year for the women but now I am taking over the mens team. I will be doing some womens games this year however (i.e. away double headers).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 23, 2007, 07:18:12 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on October 23, 2007, 07:18:12 PM
Talking to Coach Schumacher today she believes that her group of players will have more basketball smarts, and be tougher than last year's team.
18 players reported to the first day of practice for Oshkosh. So I don't think its the coach, just that crop of players that she dealt with last season.
Returning from Oshkosh last year
Whitney Tyriver (Possible POY??)
Jessica Abbitz (Coach Schumacher was most impressed by her)
Beth Garman
Beth Hebl
So Oshkosh will be tough on the blocks, we'll see how the back court sorts out.
By the way, Tyriver's position has changed. Last year she was more of a 2/3, this year, she will be a 3/4 and guarding the oppositions best post player.
18 players reported to the first day of practice for Oshkosh. So I don't think its the coach, just that crop of players that she dealt with last season.
Returning from Oshkosh last year
Whitney Tyriver (Possible POY??)
Jessica Abbitz (Coach Schumacher was most impressed by her)
Beth Garman
Beth Hebl
So Oshkosh will be tough on the blocks, we'll see how the back court sorts out.
By the way, Tyriver's position has changed. Last year she was more of a 2/3, this year, she will be a 3/4 and guarding the oppositions best post player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: buf on October 22, 2007, 04:47:28 PM
Geesh! Players are dropping left and right. Besides UWP, UWL, UWO and RF, are there any other conference schools that are missing significant players that were expected to be on their team this season?
I'm not aware of any unexpected losses at Stout.
Starting guards will most likely be Joanna Bird and Lindsey Geissler - both seniors, but expect to see a lot of Lindsay Gerber and Char Edwards (both juniors), and sophomore Kim Stokke.
Several good freshman guards joining the squad also. With two senior guards this year - we'll need them for sure next year...
Dani Boese (junior) and Julia Hirssig (sophomore) will be the veteran forwards returning who have had significant playing time.
Obviously we'll be depending on some young talent to fill out our forward positions - but our 3 freshman forward recruits all had excellent HS careers - 6'0" Shelby Churchill from Sheboygan, 5'9" Kristen Laramy and 6'0" Tricia VanVrede of Little Chute are the new freshman forwards.
We also have forward Coutney Reyzer of Altoona - she was originally recruited by UWEC for the 2004 season - not sure what happened there - but she listed as a Jr on our roster now and had some excellent HS credentials.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly these four adjust to the speed of Stout's game and who steps up in the battle to be the 5th starter???
Looking forward to going to Madison next weekend to meet all the newcomers and see how they fit in with the veterans. Not expecting the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils to win against the Badgers - but it should be fun to see some BB action!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on October 27, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
Post by: Bballer on October 27, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
Does anyone know why, some blugold's did not return this year...i.e - Lubeck, Green...etc?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ugot2loveit on October 28, 2007, 12:46:35 PM
Post by: ugot2loveit on October 28, 2007, 12:46:35 PM
Does anyone know whether the game with Sout and UW Badger women has been canceled? Believe the Badger women are now playing St. Norbert?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 28, 2007, 01:27:46 PM
Post by: billys on October 28, 2007, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: ugot2loveit on October 28, 2007, 12:46:35 PMWhat?
Does anyone know whether the game with Sout and UW Badger women has been canceled? Believe the Badger women are now playing St. Norbert?
No ... they play both of them. You know schedules are available on school websites
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 28, 2007, 01:28:47 PM
Post by: billys on October 28, 2007, 01:28:47 PM
Quote from: Bballer on October 27, 2007, 03:58:57 PMDon't know about any kids specifically but Eau Claire brings in about 8-10 new freshmen a year. Survival of the fittest
Does anyone know why, some blugold's did not return this year...i.e - Lubeck, Green...etc?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 28, 2007, 10:51:29 PM
Post by: buf on October 28, 2007, 10:51:29 PM
Quote from: Bballer on October 27, 2007, 03:58:57 PM
Does anyone know why, some blugold's did not return this year...i.e - Lubeck, Green...etc?
I am not sure of exact reasons but I would imagine its due mostly to the fact that UWEC did not have any seniors last year, so there were very limited roster spots to fill (if any). Add in the fact that there are new recruits, so some players have to go. Otherwise they would have a bench as long as Stouts ;D Its been pretty common (at least at UWEC) that some of the bench players don't return the following season.
From looking at the UWEC roster, the only player who got significant minutes last season who is not on the roster is Angie Foschi. I would imagine she is not playing because of her leg injuries the last few years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 29, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 29, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
Alot of familiar faces in the WARHAWK women's scrimmage Saturday morning. As far as I could tell we haven't lost anyone we were counting on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 30, 2007, 09:53:34 AM
Post by: The Champ on October 30, 2007, 09:53:34 AM
Quote from: buf on October 28, 2007, 10:51:29 PMQuote from: Bballer on October 27, 2007, 03:58:57 PMOtherwise they would have a bench as long as Stouts ;D
Is that a bad thing??? ???
Depth can be a very good thing, at least that's what I've been told... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2007, 10:47:37 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2007, 10:47:37 AM
If you want to play Stout style you better have either 5 bionic women or a deep bench. Bionic women can be expensive so most teams go the deep bench route. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 30, 2007, 08:53:18 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 30, 2007, 08:53:18 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2007, 10:47:37 AM
Bionic women can be expensive so most teams go the deep bench route. :D
Last time I checked, all women were expensive - bionic or not... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 30, 2007, 10:07:24 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 30, 2007, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: The Champ on October 30, 2007, 08:53:18 PM+1Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2007, 10:47:37 AM
Bionic women can be expensive so most teams go the deep bench route. :D
Last time I checked, all women were expensive - bionic or not... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 30, 2007, 11:25:20 PM
Post by: buf on October 30, 2007, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: The Champ on October 30, 2007, 09:53:34 AMQuote from: buf on October 28, 2007, 10:51:29 PMQuote from: Bballer on October 27, 2007, 03:58:57 PMOtherwise they would have a bench as long as Stouts ;D
Is that a bad thing??? ???
Depth can be a very good thing, at least that's what I've been told... ;)
Champ-
I have no problem with the amount of players Stout has. I just put that in my post because some past posters have made fun of that before.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 31, 2007, 07:25:46 AM
Post by: The Champ on October 31, 2007, 07:25:46 AM
Quote from: buf on October 30, 2007, 11:25:20 PMChamp-
I have no problem with the amount of players Stout has. I just put that in my post because some past posters have made fun of that before.
I didn't mean to imply that you were sayin' that depth was a bad thing. I understood from your "smiley" that you were pokin' fun.
That's why I had the ;) on my post.
In reality, I think many teams wish they had Stout's depth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on October 31, 2007, 09:04:11 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on October 31, 2007, 09:04:11 AM
QuoteIn reality, I think many teams wish they had Stout's depth
Perhaps not many ON Stout's bench...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 31, 2007, 06:53:42 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 31, 2007, 06:53:42 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on October 31, 2007, 09:04:11 AMPerhaps not many ON Stout's bench...
If you've got talent, you will get minutes - even on Stout's bench.
It's not unusual for 10 or more players to get double digit minutes of playing time in a WIAC conference game.
It's what Coach T's style of play dictates and demands - and it's put them in the DIII tourney 4 out of the last 6 seasons. Hard to argue with that kind of success... 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on October 31, 2007, 10:12:55 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on October 31, 2007, 10:12:55 PM
Right. With 22 players on the roster, 10 players getting double digit minutes means 12 players don't. There's plenty of talent in that group, too. But, sitting it out is their choice. Can't argue with that.
I'm always amazed at what those last 12 players are capable of; they get on the floor and they play good basketball. It's tough watching them marinate on the bench, when they should be on the floor pounding it out.
I'm always amazed at what those last 12 players are capable of; they get on the floor and they play good basketball. It's tough watching them marinate on the bench, when they should be on the floor pounding it out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 01, 2007, 07:44:27 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 01, 2007, 07:44:27 AM
How many other WIAC teams regularly have 10 players with double digit minutes?
If your roster is 18 players, and only 7 of them get 10+ minutes of playing time - the playing time opportunity is better at Stout - 45% at Stout vs. 39% at school "X".
I've watched talented freshman join this team for years and get significant playing time. I've also seen freshman join the team that took 1 - 2 years to develop and earn the right for that playing time.
I've also watched certain freshman develop into role players. They many only get 4 - 8 minutes a game - but those minutes are critical to the success of the team.
Depth is not a bad thing. Injuries happen. If you have the talent and are prepared to step up, your playing time can increase overnight.
If your roster is 18 players, and only 7 of them get 10+ minutes of playing time - the playing time opportunity is better at Stout - 45% at Stout vs. 39% at school "X".
I've watched talented freshman join this team for years and get significant playing time. I've also seen freshman join the team that took 1 - 2 years to develop and earn the right for that playing time.
I've also watched certain freshman develop into role players. They many only get 4 - 8 minutes a game - but those minutes are critical to the success of the team.
Depth is not a bad thing. Injuries happen. If you have the talent and are prepared to step up, your playing time can increase overnight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
When I've seen Stout, I've always thought they generally have two decent units, but when they get to that third team it's pretty weak. They usually come in and try to run faster than the first two units and kick the ball around like a soccer match. But, I think Coach T is OK with that because he's resting his top two units and still forcing the other team to chase around his third unit, wearing them out. Of course, when injuries happen he can pull from that third unit to fill holes and they do fine, but when the third unit is in as a whole they generally aren't very good. Just my observation.
I know Stout has a "we play 18 kids a game" reputation, but generally in the games against really strong teams, Coach T shortens that bench up to a traditional 9-12 players. I'm recalling some great battles against UWSP and Oshkosh (before the fall) when 10 kids might be all that see the floor, until the last few mop-up seconds.
I know Stout has a "we play 18 kids a game" reputation, but generally in the games against really strong teams, Coach T shortens that bench up to a traditional 9-12 players. I'm recalling some great battles against UWSP and Oshkosh (before the fall) when 10 kids might be all that see the floor, until the last few mop-up seconds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2007, 05:29:43 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2007, 05:29:43 PM
D3Hoops.com preseason Top 25 poll is out.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
WIAC represented by UW-Whitewater at 18, UW-Stevens Point at 24 and UW-Eau Claire receivng votes.
No UW-Stout at all?? I find that suprising. I know they lost the top player in the league, but to not get a single mention on any ballot? I don't agree with that.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
WIAC represented by UW-Whitewater at 18, UW-Stevens Point at 24 and UW-Eau Claire receivng votes.
No UW-Stout at all?? I find that suprising. I know they lost the top player in the league, but to not get a single mention on any ballot? I don't agree with that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 01, 2007, 06:47:50 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 01, 2007, 06:47:50 PM
Here are the WIAC SID picks, hot off the press from the WIAC site:
2006-07 Record
1. UW-Eau Claire (5) 19-9, 11-5
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 19-7, 12-4
3. UW-Stevens Point (1) 18-7, 10-6
4. UW-Stout (1) 23-6, 13-3
5. UW-La Crosse 13-13, 7-9
6. UW-River Falls 16-11, 9-7
7. UW-Oshkosh 8-16, 4-12
8. UW-Platteville 11-16, 4-12
9. UW-Superior 8-17, 2-14
2006-07 Record
1. UW-Eau Claire (5) 19-9, 11-5
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 19-7, 12-4
3. UW-Stevens Point (1) 18-7, 10-6
4. UW-Stout (1) 23-6, 13-3
5. UW-La Crosse 13-13, 7-9
6. UW-River Falls 16-11, 9-7
7. UW-Oshkosh 8-16, 4-12
8. UW-Platteville 11-16, 4-12
9. UW-Superior 8-17, 2-14
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
It isn't unusual for the SIDs to simply pick last year's winner to be the favorite so Stout's droping to fourth may show how much of an impact losing Duoss has in the minds of the SIDs. Of course how good the SIDs are at predicting the winner is a subject open to debate. But it's interesting to see their reaction.
I'm really anxious to see the WARHAWK team this year. We should be very competitive.
I'm really anxious to see the WARHAWK team this year. We should be very competitive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 02, 2007, 12:26:13 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 02, 2007, 12:26:13 PM
Personally I think UWRF at 6 (9-7 conference rec) is a pretty big stretch... they'll be lucky if they win 9 games all year. They are going to struggle to find someone who can replace Preiner and/or Reimann. And now with Flanscha gone its going to get really tough. I'll have a better feel for the team tonight after the intrasquad scrimmage and ill report back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2007, 01:20:18 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 02, 2007, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: UWRF on November 02, 2007, 12:26:13 PM9-7 wasn't a prediction. It was last year's conference record.
Personally I think UWRF at 6 (9-7 conference rec) is a pretty big stretch... they'll be lucky if they win 9 games all year. They are going to struggle to find someone who can replace Preiner and/or Reimann. And now with Flanscha gone its going to get really tough. I'll have a better feel for the team tonight after the intrasquad scrimmage and ill report back.
Looking forward to hearing your update!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on November 02, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Post by: stoutguy on November 02, 2007, 01:44:36 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
It isn't unusual for the SIDs to simply pick last year's winner to be the favorite so Stout's droping to fourth may show how much of an impact losing Duoss has in the minds of the SIDs. Of course how good the SIDs are at predicting the winner is a subject open to debate. But it's interesting to see their reaction.
I'm really anxious to see the WARHAWK team this year. We should be very competitive.
I think the SID's are making way too much of Duoss not being there and way too little of Mark Thomas still there. I think WW will be very good along with EC and Stout will find a way to be there as well. RF, Oshkosh, Superior, Platteville, and Point, and even La Crosse I think will be off the pace of these teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 02, 2007, 04:25:07 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 02, 2007, 04:25:07 PM
buf -
Yep. Angie Foschi did decide to hang up her shoes, having had two ACL surgeries over her playing career... Last night, during the team's intrasquad game, she was on the bench as a student assistant coach; she hopes to pursue coaching at some point...
Re recent posts here regarding Ashley Imperiale: Yep, the first-team all-state guard plans to transfer from UWL to UW-Milwaukee, to try to make it as a walk on (as confirmed in today's La Crosse Tribune)...
Yep. Angie Foschi did decide to hang up her shoes, having had two ACL surgeries over her playing career... Last night, during the team's intrasquad game, she was on the bench as a student assistant coach; she hopes to pursue coaching at some point...
Re recent posts here regarding Ashley Imperiale: Yep, the first-team all-state guard plans to transfer from UWL to UW-Milwaukee, to try to make it as a walk on (as confirmed in today's La Crosse Tribune)...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 02, 2007, 10:45:36 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 02, 2007, 10:45:36 PM
Ha oops my bad with the mix up there on the records should have read closer.
Interesting piece of info uncovered tonight at the scrimmage... Kim Sorenson was not there. A roster hasn't been announced so im not sure if her absence was due to a scheduling conflict or the fact she is no longer with the team. Kelsie Flanscha was not with the team as expected.
If the Sorenson absence was legit it could be a REALLY long season for the Falcons. Without her you are probably looking at the team in the cellar of the WIAC (possibly even with her).
They struggled tonight... though the press looked good against the scout team ::)
Interesting piece of info uncovered tonight at the scrimmage... Kim Sorenson was not there. A roster hasn't been announced so im not sure if her absence was due to a scheduling conflict or the fact she is no longer with the team. Kelsie Flanscha was not with the team as expected.
If the Sorenson absence was legit it could be a REALLY long season for the Falcons. Without her you are probably looking at the team in the cellar of the WIAC (possibly even with her).
They struggled tonight... though the press looked good against the scout team ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 03, 2007, 12:20:31 AM
Post by: billys on November 03, 2007, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on November 02, 2007, 01:44:36 PMThey basically hit what I thought ... flip WW/Point. Stout is a 3rd or 4th place team to me ... right back where they were before the tallest, best player in the league. Still good, just not as good as the top two.Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
It isn't unusual for the SIDs to simply pick last year's winner to be the favorite so Stout's droping to fourth may show how much of an impact losing Duoss has in the minds of the SIDs. Of course how good the SIDs are at predicting the winner is a subject open to debate. But it's interesting to see their reaction.
I'm really anxious to see the WARHAWK team this year. We should be very competitive.
I think the SID's are making way too much of Duoss not being there and way too little of Mark Thomas still there. I think WW will be very good along with EC and Stout will find a way to be there as well. RF, Oshkosh, Superior, Platteville, and Point, and even La Crosse I think will be off the pace of these teams.
Curious why you think Point is way off of those top three you list? Veteran team with some nice guards.
Now that we've learned a little more ... I picked LaX for 5th w/Imperiale ... now I toss them right into the mix of 5-9 ... toss up. If I had to pick one to surprise from that group? Boy, Oshkosh probably a year away. Platteville, no seniors, okay juniors. RF-no. Superior 10 freshmen and 4 sophs!
I guess La Crosse 5th by default.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 03, 2007, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: BDB on November 03, 2007, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: billys on November 03, 2007, 12:20:31 AMWhile I agree about Point being strong, to say that the Blue Devil program has been all about Kelsey Duoss is not correct. If one player could make a program why wouldn't every team in the WIAC be as strong as another.
They basically hit what I thought ... flip WW/Point. Stout is a 3rd or 4th place team to me ... right back where they were before the tallest, best player in the league. Still good, just not as good as the top two.
How about 4 conference titles and 4 tournament titles in the last 6 years. Duoss was not on all those teams. When 1997 Kelsey was Junior High probably and had nothing to do with that conference title.
Will Stout win the conference this year? Maybe. 4 in a row would be unbelievable. But to say that this program has been all about Duoss isn't giving all the other Blue Devil players and the coach proper respect.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 03, 2007, 01:15:18 PM
Post by: billys on November 03, 2007, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on November 03, 2007, 09:58:00 AMBDB- I've always enjoyed your postings because even with your admitted bias you're always pretty straight up. But I feel you're being incredibly defensive here. At what point in my initial post did I say that their program was all about Kelsey Duoss? If I look at their roster today compared to the rest of the league I think they're the third or fourth best team. I don't think I diminished anything; just don't think they're as good as the top two. I know you're all Stout biased and they could very easily win the league this year ... wouldn't shock me. But this roster reminds me of the teams directly before Duoss ... when they were a third place team. Why is that disrespect to anyone? And why is that a horrible prediction in a conference like the WIAC? It's one thing if one were to pick them for 7 or 8. But 3rd/4th? Seems like a nice place to be to me.Quote from: billys on November 03, 2007, 12:20:31 AMWhile I agree about Point being strong, to say that the Blue Devil program has been all about Kelsey Duoss is not correct. If one player could make a program why wouldn't every team in the WIAC be as strong as another.
They basically hit what I thought ... flip WW/Point. Stout is a 3rd or 4th place team to me ... right back where they were before the tallest, best player in the league. Still good, just not as good as the top two.
How about 4 conference titles and 4 tournament titles in the last 6 years. Duoss was not on all those teams. When 1997 Kelsey was Junior High probably and had nothing to do with that conference title.
Will Stout win the conference this year? Maybe. 4 in a row would be unbelievable. But to say that this program has been all about Duoss isn't giving all the other Blue Devil players and the coach proper respect.
BUT ... since it was obviously directed at me; I'll gladly address the rest as the devils advocate. Personally I think you're underestimating Kelsey a little bit with the response.
If one player could make a program why wouldn't every team in the WIAC be as strong as another. Because with this reasoning (which was yours apparently, not mine) the best player would make that team the best. The best players on each team are not equal ... I don't really understand where you were going with that.
How about 4 conference titles and 4 tournament titles in the last 6 years. Duoss was not on all those teams. Nope ... but she was on three on them. And I don't think it's a coincidence they had a couple of third place years before her and then turned the corner when she showed up.
I think Mark's as good a coach as the league has had. No question about it. But as long as it was brought up ... no, I don't think they would have won the last three titles without Duoss ... and I'm not sure Mark would argue that. Heck, didn't they share two of those? Is that disrespect to the coaches and other players? No. The Spurs wouldn't win titles without Tim Duncan but I sure think Popavich, Parker, Ginobli and the rest of those guys are good/great players. You take the best player off of any team; they probably won't win as much and there's no arguing she wasn't their best player. 97-66 at Point the day she didn't play gave some idea of how important she may have been.
Duoss goes right after Nechuta as the best players in the WIAC in this decade. She impacted how every team had to prepare and match-up for Stout. She altered so much down low defensively and to her credit improved dramatically every year which you don't always see already great players do. Her first year she was below 60% from the line; the last two years she was over 70%. She became relatively unstoppable.
Personally I don't think this team is as good as the last three. But I think if you put Duoss on it again; I'd pick them to win it. I guess you need to explain to why that's disrespect. She was a GREAT player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 04, 2007, 09:22:42 AM
Post by: BDB on November 04, 2007, 09:22:42 AM
billys, well done. I agree with your statements for the most part.
Duoss was an outstanding player for the Devils. I guess I was being defensive because so much has been focused on her and not the rest of the team and it took all of them to win the 3 championships in a row.
Guilty as charged. ;)
Duoss was an outstanding player for the Devils. I guess I was being defensive because so much has been focused on her and not the rest of the team and it took all of them to win the 3 championships in a row.
Guilty as charged. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on November 04, 2007, 10:20:27 AM
Post by: stoutguy on November 04, 2007, 10:20:27 AM
Billys,
I also am "guilty as charged", in reference to how I discounted SP in the SID's pick discussion. I think my problem is one of picking teams I really want to be strong. I struggle with pulling for Shirley. She just "rubs me the wrong way" and always has. She has never done anything to me that should make me think that way. It's just my nature to have an opinion and sometimes without merit.
I also am "guilty as charged", in reference to how I discounted SP in the SID's pick discussion. I think my problem is one of picking teams I really want to be strong. I struggle with pulling for Shirley. She just "rubs me the wrong way" and always has. She has never done anything to me that should make me think that way. It's just my nature to have an opinion and sometimes without merit.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 04, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Post by: billys on November 04, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on November 04, 2007, 09:22:42 AMI appreciate that. I just wanted to make it clear I was showing no disrespect to Mark, Mark N., Erin Crank or those other kids whatsoever.
billys, well done. I agree with your statements for the most part.
Duoss was an outstanding player for the Devils. I guess I was being defensive because so much has been focused on her and not the rest of the team and it took all of them to win the 3 championships in a row.
Guilty as charged. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 04, 2007, 11:09:52 AM
Post by: billys on November 04, 2007, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on November 04, 2007, 10:20:27 AMUnderstandable ... I've been around the league long enough to know where you're coming from. :)
Billys,
I also am "guilty as charged", in reference to how I discounted SP in the SID's pick discussion. I think my problem is one of picking teams I really want to be strong. I struggle with pulling for Shirley. She just "rubs me the wrong way" and always has. She has never done anything to me that should make me think that way. It's just my nature to have an opinion and sometimes without merit.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2007, 07:32:52 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2007, 07:32:52 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 01, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
When I've seen Stout, I've always thought they generally have two decent units, but when they get to that third team it's pretty weak. They usually come in and try to run faster than the first two units and kick the ball around like a soccer match. But, I think Coach T is OK with that because he's resting his top two units and still forcing the other team to chase around his third unit, wearing them out. Of course, when injuries happen he can pull from that third unit to fill holes and they do fine, but when the third unit is in as a whole they generally aren't very good. Just my observation.
I know Stout has a "we play 18 kids a game" reputation, but generally in the games against really strong teams, Coach T shortens that bench up to a traditional 9-12 players. I'm recalling some great battles against UWSP and Oshkosh (before the fall) when 10 kids might be all that see the floor, until the last few mop-up seconds.
Of course the third unit is not as good as the first two.
That group is typically mostly freshman. A recipe for total disaster on most teams... Coach T makes it work most of the time - and you're right - the objective is to wear down the opponents.
As far as playing 18 - that is usually not the case for Coach T's teams. Usually more like 13 - 15. In real tight games that could drop to 9 - 12, but by rotating his players most of the season his better players are in better shape than if they'd been playing 30+ minutes in most games.
However, FWIW, in the last regular season game against UWO - 20 players recorded 2 or more minutes of playing time...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2007, 07:41:29 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2007, 07:41:29 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 02, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
It isn't unusual for the SIDs to simply pick last year's winner to be the favorite so Stout's droping to fourth may show how much of an impact losing Duoss has in the minds of the SIDs. Of course how good the SIDs are at predicting the winner is a subject open to debate. But it's interesting to see their reaction.
I'm really anxious to see the WARHAWK team this year. We should be very competitive.
BW
Stout graduated Kelsey Duoss, Savanah Oeltjen and Amanda Geissler from the starters last season, the loss of Jenny McDermid from the second unit.
They also lost of both Asst Coaches.
It truly doesn't surprise me that in the WIAC - a conference well known for producing 3 - 4 teams in the top 25 in the country - that Stout would be an extreme darkhorse to repeat as WIAC Champion.
Was down in Madison yesterday watching the team play the Badgers. The Badgers really are in a totally different class! But I came awy extremely impressed with the way Julia Hirssig (sophomore) has stepped into the role vacated by Kelsey. Despite giving up 2 - 4 inches to several of the Badgers she made her presence known on the court.
Wish nothing but the best for your Warhawks and Coach Kari - well except for two (maybe three) games this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2007, 07:49:04 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2007, 07:49:04 AM
Quote from: billys on November 03, 2007, 01:15:18 PMShe was a GREAT player.
I know what you meant, but I'd like to add this...
Saw her parents yesterday at the Badger/Blue Devil game. She's really enjoyed playing Pro Ball down in Australia! But she sprained her ankle and has missed the last 4 games.
Vickie (her mom) said that it's been different for Kelsey down there coming off the bench though...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 06, 2007, 10:24:45 AM
Post by: UWRF on November 06, 2007, 10:24:45 AM
The WIAC projection article mentioned that RF was losing their top 7 scores from last year, which includes would be Sr. PG Kim Sorenson who was going to have to be the key player. RF is going to need some girls to really step up in hopes of salvaging the season. Like I said earlier I went to the scrimmage on Friday night and I didnt see anyone who was capable of taking over a game in WIAC, so I am a little worried about this season for the Falcons.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 07, 2007, 09:11:20 AM
Post by: UWRF on November 07, 2007, 09:11:20 AM
Kim Sorenson transfered to Winona
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: warhawkexpress28 on November 08, 2007, 01:22:17 PM
Post by: warhawkexpress28 on November 08, 2007, 01:22:17 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 02, 2007, 04:25:07 PM
buf -
Yep. Angie Foschi did decide to hang up her shoes, having had two ACL surgeries over her playing career... Last night, during the team's intrasquad game, she was on the bench as a student assistant coach; she hopes to pursue coaching at some point...
Re recent posts here regarding Ashley Imperiale: Yep, the first-team all-state guard plans to transfer from UWL to UW-Milwaukee, to try to make it as a walk on (as confirmed in today's La Crosse Tribune)...
When is she going to transfer at semester or after the ball season ends
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 08, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
Post by: billys on November 08, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: warhawkexpress28 on November 08, 2007, 01:22:17 PMI think the article said semester. But if it didn't say it ... that's the wordQuote from: bulk19 on November 02, 2007, 04:25:07 PM
buf -
Yep. Angie Foschi did decide to hang up her shoes, having had two ACL surgeries over her playing career... Last night, during the team's intrasquad game, she was on the bench as a student assistant coach; she hopes to pursue coaching at some point...
Re recent posts here regarding Ashley Imperiale: Yep, the first-team all-state guard plans to transfer from UWL to UW-Milwaukee, to try to make it as a walk on (as confirmed in today's La Crosse Tribune)...
When is she going to transfer at semester or after the ball season ends
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 11, 2007, 08:55:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 11, 2007, 08:55:15 PM
WARHAWK women dominate Lake Forest though the first session was close with WW holding a five point lead when it ended. The second session was an entirely different matter as our size and the tempo wore Lake Forest down and we won by twenty five points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 15, 2007, 11:18:46 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 15, 2007, 11:18:46 PM
Tomorrow night! Im going to be in Winona on the call for the RF- St. Mary's game. I cant wait for the season to start!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2007, 07:53:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2007, 07:53:45 AM
Quote from: UWRF on November 15, 2007, 11:18:46 PM
Tomorrow night! Im going to be in Winona on the call for the RF- St. Mary's game. I cant wait for the season to start!
Tonight and tomorrow I'm hosting several of the Running Lady Blue Devil parents at the Mankato State University "Pepsi Tip-Off" Tournament (my employer is a major corporate sponsor at MSU - so I was able to get 18 comped tickets for both games... ;D).
Tonight we'll play MSU and tomorrow we'll play St. Cloud State - a pair of DII teams.
It'll be interesting to see how the ladies perform against these teams after playing the Badgers in an exhibition game two weeks ago.
Tough competition to start the season, but it's a good challenge for the young team!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2007, 10:22:34 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2007, 10:22:34 AM
Champ,
I sent you a PM. Please check it.
I sent you a PM. Please check it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 16, 2007, 10:37:42 PM
Post by: buf on November 16, 2007, 10:37:42 PM
Well, on the first night of the season, Platteville squeezes out a win, Point wins comfortably, UWL wins a defensive battle (42-26), no UWO score yet, and the grand finale for the evening....... UWW wins AT #13 Millikin 92-46. HELLO!!!
Hendrickson, the transfer from Madison, scores 14pts and has 6 steals in 21min. Morton leads the team with 21pts.
Hendrickson, the transfer from Madison, scores 14pts and has 6 steals in 21min. Morton leads the team with 21pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 17, 2007, 02:30:50 AM
Post by: UWRF on November 17, 2007, 02:30:50 AM
Falcon women beat St. Mary's tonight... 74-61
Played much better than i excepted.
No one real scoring threat, a true team effort.
Played much better than i excepted.
No one real scoring threat, a true team effort.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 17, 2007, 10:08:10 AM
Post by: LA RAMS on November 17, 2007, 10:08:10 AM
I did get to see UW-River Falls scrimmage against GAC this last Tuesday night and while I was somewhat disappointed with GAC's performance that night I couldn't help but be somewhat impressed with the hustle and speed that UWRF has. Guess they'd better be able to run as they have what appears to be really only one true post player (a freshman, I believe, at that).
Would love to see some more MIAC vs. WIAC sometime down the road.
Would love to see some more MIAC vs. WIAC sometime down the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 17, 2007, 01:12:09 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 17, 2007, 01:12:09 PM
QuoteUWW wins AT #13 Millikin 92-46. HELLO!!!
The year after Millikin took the D3 championship, they came back ugly. Is Ippel playing? She was incredible as a freshman. Do they start slow? Lay in the weeds? Or is UWW going to be the dominant team?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2007, 01:48:36 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2007, 01:48:36 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 17, 2007, 01:12:09 PMQuoteUWW wins AT #13 Millikin 92-46. HELLO!!!
The year after Millikin took the D3 championship, they came back ugly. Is Ippel playing? She was incredible as a freshman. Do they start slow? Lay in the weeds? Or is UWW going to be the dominant team?
Yes, Ippel is still playing. Without looking it up, I believe she is a preseason first team All American. She was the leading scorer for Millikin tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2007, 05:44:05 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2007, 05:44:05 PM
UWEC wins AT #12 Luther, 62-53
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2007, 10:01:40 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2007, 10:01:40 AM
phoenix,
I would be surprised if the WARHAWKS are not a primary player in the battle for the league championship. I wouldn't go as far as to say they'll be a "dominate" team as there are others that will also contend and I don't want to put that monkey on their backs. But I think that the WARHAWKS are going to be right in the thick of it.
In scrimmages they've beaten UW-Parkside by 14, Lake Forest by 35 and the two road wins this weekend were by wide margins. The pieces are in place however a lot can happen between now and February so we'll just have to see how it plays out. But I can't help by be encouraged and excited by what has happened thus far.
This may turn out to be the best team we've fielded in many, many years.
I would be surprised if the WARHAWKS are not a primary player in the battle for the league championship. I wouldn't go as far as to say they'll be a "dominate" team as there are others that will also contend and I don't want to put that monkey on their backs. But I think that the WARHAWKS are going to be right in the thick of it.
In scrimmages they've beaten UW-Parkside by 14, Lake Forest by 35 and the two road wins this weekend were by wide margins. The pieces are in place however a lot can happen between now and February so we'll just have to see how it plays out. But I can't help by be encouraged and excited by what has happened thus far.
This may turn out to be the best team we've fielded in many, many years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on November 19, 2007, 11:58:51 AM
Post by: Bballer on November 19, 2007, 11:58:51 AM
Can i ask why, that new freshmen from Eau Claire for one started that game and then only played 2 minutes. There is nothing like getting a players hopes up by starting and then no playing the rest of the game. Did Eugland give up on her that fast or what's going on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2007, 03:03:27 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2007, 03:03:27 PM
QuoteCan i ask why, that new freshmen from Eau Claire for one started that game and then only played 2 minutes
I think the first game was intrasquad--blue-gold game--so everyone got lots of minutes and/or started.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2007, 10:08:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2007, 10:08:04 PM
If it was an intrasquad game I would think that everyone, regardless of whether they started or not, would play more than two minutes.
Is it possible that she was injured? That could easily happen in two minutes.
Is it possible that she was injured? That could easily happen in two minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 20, 2007, 11:13:06 AM
Post by: billys on November 20, 2007, 11:13:06 AM
They're referring to the season opener against Luther. Hauser started and played two minutes and that was it. I would have to assume she was injured. I can't imagine the scenario where a starter would play two minutes and then not come back AT ALL. Although; she did have two quick TO's and may have been scored on twice ... so I guess in a big game as a freshman in her debut ... it could be possible.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2007, 10:14:57 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2007, 10:14:57 PM
UWEC wins at St. Norberts 61-57. Burns with 19pts and Zenner with 10pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2007, 10:25:35 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2007, 10:25:35 PM
Point, UWO and Stout are all big winners this evening.
UWP losses on the road.
UWP losses on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 21, 2007, 11:49:07 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on November 21, 2007, 11:49:07 PM
Oshkosh's Freshman are playing better then what most people thought...
I have yet to see them, but I'm really curious about Tiffany Pugh. Looks like she is going to be the outside threat this season for Oshkosh, and just scored a bunch of points on 7/11 shooting coming off the bench tonight.
I thought if Oshkosh would win 10 games this year, that would be successful. So far, they are 1/5th of the way there.
I have yet to see them, but I'm really curious about Tiffany Pugh. Looks like she is going to be the outside threat this season for Oshkosh, and just scored a bunch of points on 7/11 shooting coming off the bench tonight.
I thought if Oshkosh would win 10 games this year, that would be successful. So far, they are 1/5th of the way there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2007, 08:39:21 PM
Post by: buf on November 22, 2007, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on November 21, 2007, 11:49:07 PM
Oshkosh's Freshman are playing better then what most people thought...
I have yet to see them, but I'm really curious about Tiffany Pugh. Looks like she is going to be the outside threat this season for Oshkosh, and just scored a bunch of points on 7/11 shooting coming off the bench tonight.
I thought if Oshkosh would win 10 games this year, that would be successful. So far, they are 1/5th of the way there.
Actually, UWO had a good recruiting class. Three of the freshman were listed as Top 50 HS Senior players last year (Boeder, Pugh, Ebbens).
It does look like they have played well the last couple of games, but at the same time, I'm not sure how good those teams were. I guess Central is pretty bad. Ripon has been decent in the past.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 23, 2007, 07:44:28 PM
Post by: buf on November 23, 2007, 07:44:28 PM
UWO falls to Wheaton 63-53. Pugh leads the Titans with 16, Tyriver with 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 01:25:15 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 01:25:15 PM
UWEC destroys North Park, perhaps the worst D3 team I have ever seen play, 98-38. If the starters were in for a full game, this easily would have been over a 100 point win. North Park had only 9 players on their roster.
Tonight however, EC will have their hands full with the University of Chicago, who rolled past Edgewood last night. I see this game going down to the wire as U of C is a really good team.
Tonight however, EC will have their hands full with the University of Chicago, who rolled past Edgewood last night. I see this game going down to the wire as U of C is a really good team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 05:56:59 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 05:56:59 PM
buf - I didn't see the 'Golds last night, but will probably make it to Zorn tonight, based on your hunch that it will be a good game... Hope so; it will be another good test for UWEC, who doesn't shy away from tough competition in non-conference games...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 11:30:25 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 11:30:25 PM
EC loses at home to Chicago, 56-49. It was the first loss at Zorn in 2 seasons. Chicago is a really good team. However, EC's offense was just plain bad, especially the shooting (25%). EC also only shot 50% from the FT line, but so did Chicago. Defensively they (EC) played well enough to win.
EC definitely needs to work on their offense and their defensive rebounding. It doesn't get any easier as D2 St. Cloud State comes to Zorn on Wednesday.
EC definitely needs to work on their offense and their defensive rebounding. It doesn't get any easier as D2 St. Cloud State comes to Zorn on Wednesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:34:07 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:34:07 PM
Final from Zorn -
University of Chicago 56, UWEC 49...
I'd like to say the Maroons stole one tonight, but they didn't. They pretty much flat out won it, doing something that the last 18 previous teams to visit Zorn were unable to do...
That 18-game winning streak was snapped after a night when the hoop must have looked like the ocean; the 'Golds put up 98 points last night. Tonight, it must have looked like a tea cup, as the 'Golds shot but 23.8% from the floor. Not going to win many games that way... Big advantage on the defensive end, as the Maroons pulled down 40 boards...
And UWEC also uncharacteristically hit but 50 % of its free throws, 12 of 24, and thus were not able to crawl back into the game...
Chicago was leading at half, 23-22, but pulled out to a double-digit lead, which the 'Golds couldn't chip away at... They forced 27 turnovers, compared to only 12 of their own, but were not able to convert them into points...
Nicaya Rapier had 11, Jamie Stinson had 12, and Nofi Mojidi had 14 points to lead Chicago. Heidi Arciszewski had 16 for UWEC; Michelle Burns added 10...
Disappointing loss was the way Coach Englund summed things up in the post game wrap... Not much more that I can add, but for Chicago is a good, balanced team; they would be at the top of the conference standings at the end of this season if they were in the WIAC....
University of Chicago 56, UWEC 49...
I'd like to say the Maroons stole one tonight, but they didn't. They pretty much flat out won it, doing something that the last 18 previous teams to visit Zorn were unable to do...
That 18-game winning streak was snapped after a night when the hoop must have looked like the ocean; the 'Golds put up 98 points last night. Tonight, it must have looked like a tea cup, as the 'Golds shot but 23.8% from the floor. Not going to win many games that way... Big advantage on the defensive end, as the Maroons pulled down 40 boards...
And UWEC also uncharacteristically hit but 50 % of its free throws, 12 of 24, and thus were not able to crawl back into the game...
Chicago was leading at half, 23-22, but pulled out to a double-digit lead, which the 'Golds couldn't chip away at... They forced 27 turnovers, compared to only 12 of their own, but were not able to convert them into points...
Nicaya Rapier had 11, Jamie Stinson had 12, and Nofi Mojidi had 14 points to lead Chicago. Heidi Arciszewski had 16 for UWEC; Michelle Burns added 10...
Disappointing loss was the way Coach Englund summed things up in the post game wrap... Not much more that I can add, but for Chicago is a good, balanced team; they would be at the top of the conference standings at the end of this season if they were in the WIAC....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:34:56 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:34:56 PM
there's that buf again, always a step ahead of me on these posts! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 11:39:41 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 11:39:41 PM
Point and UWO are winners today.
UWP shoots similar to what EC shot today and also loses.
UWP shoots similar to what EC shot today and also loses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 11:42:57 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2007, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:34:56 PM
there's that buf again, always a step ahead of me on these posts! ;)
Oh I am not a step ahead. I just have software installed on my computer that lets me know when you log on. That way I always get the first post in ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 24, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
Notables in Zorn tonight included Stout's Mark Thomas, I do believe I saw him...
And former UWSP player Diane Hawkins, as a graduate assistant coach for Edgewood College... She was on the Pointer's 2002 National Championship team...
And former UWSP player Diane Hawkins, as a graduate assistant coach for Edgewood College... She was on the Pointer's 2002 National Championship team...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2007, 07:39:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2007, 07:39:53 PM
The high scoring WARHAWK women's basketball team was firing on all cylinders this afternoon beating Cornell College (Ia) 85-48. Shooting 56% from the floor the first half the lady WARHAWKS jumped out to a comfortable 41-22 halftime lead. Lindsey Buechner led four double figure scorers for WHITEWATER with 17 points and pulled down 7 rebounds. Tiffany Morton had a double-double 12 points, 10 rebounds and added 4 blocks. Dana Thompson scored 11 points and Trisha Thill added 10 points. Twelve WARHAWKS scored points and the team dominated the backboards with a 50-36 edge which included 22 offensive rebounds.
The win improves the season record to 3-0.
The win improves the season record to 3-0.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2007, 10:31:04 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2007, 10:31:04 PM
UWEC wins 86-78 over D2 St. Cloud State, a team which beat Stout 87-72 earlier this season. EC played fantastic in the first half and ended up leading 44-22. The offense looked tons better than on Saturday. It actually looked like they were running an offense tonight. Freshman Hannah Messick played really well. EC needs someone to step up in the post and Messick sure did so this game.
EC shot very well this game. I believe that they were 59% from the floor in the first half, not sure how they ended up for the game.
The 2nd half got a bit sloppy for EC but they were firmly in control the whole game. SCSU had a run of 3 straight 3s early in the 2nd half but then cooled quickly.
A couple things EC needs to work on are FTs and Rebs. FTs were a strength last year, but in the past couple of games they have been flat out bad. They were only 50% vs. Chicago and although better tonight, still not to where they need it. Tonight they missed the front end of all three 1-1s in the 2nd half and 1 or 2 in the first half.
All in all, a good win for EC versus a solid D2 club. They really needed this win to gain back confidence heading into conference play and a tilt against archrival Stout!
EC shot very well this game. I believe that they were 59% from the floor in the first half, not sure how they ended up for the game.
The 2nd half got a bit sloppy for EC but they were firmly in control the whole game. SCSU had a run of 3 straight 3s early in the 2nd half but then cooled quickly.
A couple things EC needs to work on are FTs and Rebs. FTs were a strength last year, but in the past couple of games they have been flat out bad. They were only 50% vs. Chicago and although better tonight, still not to where they need it. Tonight they missed the front end of all three 1-1s in the 2nd half and 1 or 2 in the first half.
All in all, a good win for EC versus a solid D2 club. They really needed this win to gain back confidence heading into conference play and a tilt against archrival Stout!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2007, 11:18:20 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2007, 11:18:20 PM
Good night for the WIAC.
Stout, RF win
EC defeats a D2 school
UWP defeats Millikin, a preseason Top 25 team
WW wins AT Chicago, the team who beat EC this past Saturday and who is a Top 25 team.
Stout, RF win
EC defeats a D2 school
UWP defeats Millikin, a preseason Top 25 team
WW wins AT Chicago, the team who beat EC this past Saturday and who is a Top 25 team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on December 01, 2007, 06:24:05 PM
Post by: bgbacker on December 01, 2007, 06:24:05 PM
EC beats Stout at Johnson, 70-59 ... Witt with 22 for EC ...Devils 3-for-19 from 3-pt range.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 01, 2007, 07:43:31 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 01, 2007, 07:43:31 PM
Nice win for the 'Golds tonight - they won in a difficult place to play... Golds go to 5-1 overall; Stout is 3-4.
UWEC was down early, 8-2, but, unlike the past few seasons, when they have had troubles on the road at the start of games, and then had to expend a lot of energy trying to get back into games, today they were able to go on a 10-run, to take a 12-8 lead, and didn't look back...
Were up 34-22 at half; Stout was able to pull within four at the 14:43 mark... Big difference in both halves was the shooting percentages. 'Golds were 12-23 (52.2 %) in the first half, while the Blue Devils were 7-27 (25.9%)... Golds cooled off a bit in the second half, and ended up at 23-49 (46.9%)... Also shot 5-9 from the three point line, compared to Stout's 3-21 on threes. Blue Devils finished the night at 17-59, or 28.8%... Golds were more in character from the charity stripe, too, hitting 19-25 for 76%...
In addition to Heather Witt's 22 points, Michelle Burns added 10 and eight boards. Amanda Zenner had 8 boards, too. Julie Hirssig had a nice game for Stout, also pulling down 8 boards and scoring 17...
UWEC was down early, 8-2, but, unlike the past few seasons, when they have had troubles on the road at the start of games, and then had to expend a lot of energy trying to get back into games, today they were able to go on a 10-run, to take a 12-8 lead, and didn't look back...
Were up 34-22 at half; Stout was able to pull within four at the 14:43 mark... Big difference in both halves was the shooting percentages. 'Golds were 12-23 (52.2 %) in the first half, while the Blue Devils were 7-27 (25.9%)... Golds cooled off a bit in the second half, and ended up at 23-49 (46.9%)... Also shot 5-9 from the three point line, compared to Stout's 3-21 on threes. Blue Devils finished the night at 17-59, or 28.8%... Golds were more in character from the charity stripe, too, hitting 19-25 for 76%...
In addition to Heather Witt's 22 points, Michelle Burns added 10 and eight boards. Amanda Zenner had 8 boards, too. Julie Hirssig had a nice game for Stout, also pulling down 8 boards and scoring 17...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 02, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 02, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
The WARHAWKS beat Stevens Point75-71 in a very competitive game that went down to the end. Tiffany Morton paced WW with 20 points and 8 rebounds despite being doubled and triple-teamed in the low post. Soph Nicole Bundy finished with 13 points including a huge three-pointer late in the second half. Kelsey Hendrickson scored 11 and added 5 assists as she continues to make significant contributions.
Laura Neuenfeldt paced Point with 15 points including 3-4 from beyond the arch. She's a nice player.
Laura Neuenfeldt paced Point with 15 points including 3-4 from beyond the arch. She's a nice player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWP SID on December 04, 2007, 04:11:20 PM
Post by: UWP SID on December 04, 2007, 04:11:20 PM
For this holiday season, why not do something very meaningful? UW-Platteville guard Brianna Klaas is currently undergoing treatment for cancer, and the Pioneers have started a "Shoot A Three for Bri" program. Fans can pledge money for every three-point shot the team makes during the year or make a general donation. All money raised will go to the Grant County Cancer Coalition. For more information about this program and about Brianna, go to http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0708/threeforbri.html
Anyone wanting to send on their well wishes to Brianna can send them to athletics@uwplatt.edu
Anyone wanting to send on their well wishes to Brianna can send them to athletics@uwplatt.edu
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 04, 2007, 08:48:17 PM
Post by: buf on December 04, 2007, 08:48:17 PM
I wish her the best of luck in her recovery!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 05, 2007, 08:47:05 PM
Post by: buf on December 05, 2007, 08:47:05 PM
EC makes a Huge run at the end of the 1st half to take a 34-25 lead. EC was down 21-14 with 6min left in the half. UWP got a steal and a layup at the buzzer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 05, 2007, 10:01:32 PM
Post by: buf on December 05, 2007, 10:01:32 PM
What a game between Stout and RF.
Stout got off to a 25-2 lead to start the game. RF battled back to take the lead, but lost it at the end by 1 on a last second shot.
EC wins, Point wins
Stout got off to a 25-2 lead to start the game. RF battled back to take the lead, but lost it at the end by 1 on a last second shot.
EC wins, Point wins
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 05, 2007, 10:19:47 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 05, 2007, 10:19:47 PM
WW wins 82-43
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 05, 2007, 11:46:53 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 05, 2007, 11:46:53 PM
As noted, UWEC wins in Platteville 73-61...
Keys to the game were: The Blugolds were a torrid 31-51 from the field - that's 60.8%. And a bigger lineup that had a run of 18 straight points, bringing the 'Golds back from a 21-14 deficit to a 32-21 lead in the first half... Coach Englund credited her post players who were in at that time - Brittanni Hakanson, Kali Houselog and Michelle Burns...
Burns tops the Blugolds with 21, and Heidi Ariciszweski added 18... Heather Witt had a terrific game, too, with 10 boards, 9 points and 7 assists. Rachel Mueggenborg had a couple of points in the second half that helped keep the Pioneers at bay, too. She had 8...
The Pioneers - no seniors on this team - were led by Lisa Grantman's 17, Vanessa Nemitz's 16 and Lisa Webber's 10...
Keys to the game were: The Blugolds were a torrid 31-51 from the field - that's 60.8%. And a bigger lineup that had a run of 18 straight points, bringing the 'Golds back from a 21-14 deficit to a 32-21 lead in the first half... Coach Englund credited her post players who were in at that time - Brittanni Hakanson, Kali Houselog and Michelle Burns...
Burns tops the Blugolds with 21, and Heidi Ariciszweski added 18... Heather Witt had a terrific game, too, with 10 boards, 9 points and 7 assists. Rachel Mueggenborg had a couple of points in the second half that helped keep the Pioneers at bay, too. She had 8...
The Pioneers - no seniors on this team - were led by Lisa Grantman's 17, Vanessa Nemitz's 16 and Lisa Webber's 10...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2007, 10:21:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2007, 10:21:13 AM
With 14 minutes remaining in the first half and the score 10-8 in their favor the WARHAWKS went on a 10-0 run gaining a double digit lead they would never surrender by primarily pounding the ball inside to Tiffany Morten and Dana Thompson who accounted for 22 points. Defensively relentless full court pressure gave Oshkosh fits, forced 14 first half turnovers and held the Titan to 27% from the floor while shooting 57% themselves. By the buzzer WHITEWATER led 50-15.
The second half was pretty much the same though the Titan managed to score more than 15 points. WHITEWATER had leads of 45 points twice. Nineteen players saw action for the WARHAWKS with none playing longer than 18 minutes. Morton led the way with 16 points and 9 rebounds. Thompson finished with 10 points. Sara Moran and Marry Donohoo each had 4 assists and Heidi Sontag had 4 steals. The final was 82-43.
Oshkosh is really young and it shows. Their guard play was poor and their interior defense was weak. Though they did outrebound WHITEWATER slightly and hit the offensive boards hard. It's going to be a long season up there this year.
The second half was pretty much the same though the Titan managed to score more than 15 points. WHITEWATER had leads of 45 points twice. Nineteen players saw action for the WARHAWKS with none playing longer than 18 minutes. Morton led the way with 16 points and 9 rebounds. Thompson finished with 10 points. Sara Moran and Marry Donohoo each had 4 assists and Heidi Sontag had 4 steals. The final was 82-43.
Oshkosh is really young and it shows. Their guard play was poor and their interior defense was weak. Though they did outrebound WHITEWATER slightly and hit the offensive boards hard. It's going to be a long season up there this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 08, 2007, 11:57:49 AM
Post by: buf on December 08, 2007, 11:57:49 AM
On Wednesday's win over UWP, UWEC players Burns, Arc & Witt combined to go 22-30 from the field. Thats pretty darn good!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 08, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
Post by: buf on December 08, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
Point wins over Lawrence
UWW wins over Superior
UWP wins over RF
Stout wins over UWO
EC up at the half over LAX
UWW wins over Superior
UWP wins over RF
Stout wins over UWO
EC up at the half over LAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 08, 2007, 05:51:03 PM
Post by: buf on December 08, 2007, 05:51:03 PM
EC over LAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 08, 2007, 06:00:02 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 08, 2007, 06:00:02 PM
I checked the UW Superior/Whitewater game early in the second half; saw the Supers were down by 50 and asked myself, "self, can the Supers pull this one out?" Even self didn't see that kind of miracle. Lord. Not even a Rasputin Special Russian Imperial Stout can cushion that kind of blow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 09, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 09, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on December 08, 2007, 06:00:02 PM
I checked the UW Superior/Whitewater game early in the second half; saw the Supers were down by 50 and asked myself, "self, can the Supers pull this one out?" Even self didn't see that kind of miracle. Lord. Not even a Rasputin Special Russian Imperial Stout can cushion that kind of blow.
As long as you mentioned "Stout" in this post, I thought I would jump in here! You sound just like someone who used to post here last year. Your friend Mary Schaefer (my partner calls her "Luther" but I think he means "Mary Schaefer") is playing very well. Why don't you come down and watch her sometime? That German bar is still open.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
Post by: BDB on December 10, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 09, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
As long as you mentioned "Stout" in this post, I thought I would jump in here! You sound just like someone who used to post here last year.
stoutguy, I thought you were off your rocker....again.
But then I analyzed the post by phoenix some more. I think you nailed it.
Only one former poster would say...
Quote from: phoenix_rising on December 08, 2007, 06:00:02 PMNot even a Rasputin Special Russian Imperial Stout can cushion that kind of blow.
Welcome back, 'er phoenix. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2007, 12:11:53 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2007, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 10, 2007, 04:05:06 PMQuote from: stoutguy on December 09, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
As long as you mentioned "Stout" in this post, I thought I would jump in here! You sound just like someone who used to post here last year.
stoutguy, I thought you were off your rocker....again.
But then I analyzed the post by phoenix some more. I think you nailed it.
Only one former poster would say...Quote from: phoenix_rising on December 08, 2007, 06:00:02 PMNot even a Rasputin Special Russian Imperial Stout can cushion that kind of blow.
Welcome back, 'er phoenix. ;)
Okay, so I wish Phoenix would rise pretty soon to respond to our clever barbs. HELLO, OUt THERE ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 11, 2007, 12:02:27 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 11, 2007, 12:02:27 PM
I mention good beer and, suddenly, the Stout people can see clearly.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 11, 2007, 08:39:55 PM
Post by: buf on December 11, 2007, 08:39:55 PM
If anyone reads this soon, the EC @ Carleton game is being videocast off Carleton's website. EC is up at the half 40-25.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 11, 2007, 09:40:55 PM
Post by: buf on December 11, 2007, 09:40:55 PM
EC ends up winning 76-53 over Carleton. Good road win for EC. Carleton is expected to battle for the MIAC title.
EC had a balanced attack and shot the ball well from the field, especially on 3-pointers (9-16).
One thing the Golds need to work on is limiting their turnovers. Just too many lately.
EC had a balanced attack and shot the ball well from the field, especially on 3-pointers (9-16).
One thing the Golds need to work on is limiting their turnovers. Just too many lately.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2007, 08:44:52 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2007, 08:44:52 PM
The high scoring WARHAWKS cracked the century mark for the second time in a week beating Edgewood College 104-62. WHITEWATER never trailed in the game and with the score tied 10-10 went on a 9-0 run fueled by 6 points from Dana Thompson to take a comfortable lead that would grow to 28 points by halftime, 54-26. The lead grew to as many as 48 points in the second half. All 21 players on the WARHAWKS roster saw court time and five scored in double figures. Tiffany Morton led the way with 22 points followed by Heide Sontag who nailed 3 of 4 three-point attempts to finish with 17 points. Lindsey Buechner, Kelsey Hendrickson and Thompson rounded out the double figure scorers with 13, 12 and 12 points respectively. WHITEWATER dominated the boards with a 42-23 advantage. Morton led with 8.
Megan Scheele led Edgewood with a double-double 27 points, 10 rebounds. She's an excellent player who could start for any team in our league.
Megan Scheele led Edgewood with a double-double 27 points, 10 rebounds. She's an excellent player who could start for any team in our league.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 14, 2007, 12:50:25 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 14, 2007, 12:50:25 PM
Went to the UW-Superwomen's home opener. While the Supers managed to eke out a win, I'm pretty confident it's going to be a bad year. Lots of freshmen on the team. Doesn't look like the few upperclassmen have complete trust in the younger players, yet. Nor should they. I think there's promise, though. Really.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 15, 2007, 08:19:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 15, 2007, 08:19:00 PM
RF wins today
Superior loses a close one
UWO gets blown out by St. Norberts. Half way through the 2nd half, UWO was down by 31 points and they themselves only had 21 points at this time.
Superior loses a close one
UWO gets blown out by St. Norberts. Half way through the 2nd half, UWO was down by 31 points and they themselves only had 21 points at this time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 15, 2007, 10:33:12 PM
Post by: buf on December 15, 2007, 10:33:12 PM
WW wins in OT against Luther
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 15, 2007, 11:13:36 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 15, 2007, 11:13:36 PM
I thought Superior was going to edge Scholastica in the final minutes as they did in the first game between the two and in the last game UWS played (Northwestern). Not to be. Freshman Tessa Gronli, who didn't seem to be seeing the big picture on Thursday did a very nice job tonight. She had better poise than junior Carissa Nord who got pissy (can I say that?) in the first half about the defender's rather intimate closeness/hands-on approach to guarding and never seemed to recover. Rounsville got in foul trouble early and watched a lot of the game from the bench.
And in hockey, UWS took a mild beating from the U.S. U-18 development team, 7-3. In all fairness, Superior should have gotten assists on two of the U.S. team's goals, since they put the puck right in front of their own net. The last thing the goalie heard before the puck whistled past him was his defenders saying, "We're right behind you."
And in hockey, UWS took a mild beating from the U.S. U-18 development team, 7-3. In all fairness, Superior should have gotten assists on two of the U.S. team's goals, since they put the puck right in front of their own net. The last thing the goalie heard before the puck whistled past him was his defenders saying, "We're right behind you."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 16, 2007, 10:50:19 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 16, 2007, 10:50:19 AM
Stout, I think is showing some signs of being a contender. In the last couple games players like Schaefer, Gerber, Maslowski, and Wyngaard (all non-staters) have all played well. Add DeWitt when she gets healthy and you have that dreaded balance that Mark is so famous for. I would still love to see many more touches for Hirssig as her strength right now seems to be offensive rebounds. She is making a living off of them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2007, 02:38:52 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2007, 02:38:52 PM
The WARHAWKS braved the weather Saturday night traveling to meet Loras. The first half was close throughtout with Loras's biggest lead at two points, 19-17 (8:15), WHITEWATER'S four points, 25-21 (6:50) and six ties before ending 30-28 in favor of the WARHAWKS.
Loras opened the second half with a 14-6 run and went up 42-36 before the WARHAWKS responded with a 10-4 run and game was tied 46-46 with just over 10 minutes remaining. WHITEWATER eventually built a seven point lead 60-53 (4:54) but Luther finished the half with a 12-5 run and the game was tied 65-65 and headed for overtime.
In OT the score was tied 71-71 when Kelsey Hendrickson hit a jumper to give the WARHAWKS a lead they wouldn't reliquish on the way to a 78-72 win.
Hendrickson led WARHAWK scorers with 17 points and had six steals. Both Lindsey Buechner (12 points/11 rebounds) and Tiffany Morton (11 points/12 rebounds) finished with double-doubles. It was a sloppy game as the two teams combined for 48 turnovers (23-WW, 25 LC).
WHITEWATER improves to 9-0. Next up is Coe College on Tuesday.
Loras opened the second half with a 14-6 run and went up 42-36 before the WARHAWKS responded with a 10-4 run and game was tied 46-46 with just over 10 minutes remaining. WHITEWATER eventually built a seven point lead 60-53 (4:54) but Luther finished the half with a 12-5 run and the game was tied 65-65 and headed for overtime.
In OT the score was tied 71-71 when Kelsey Hendrickson hit a jumper to give the WARHAWKS a lead they wouldn't reliquish on the way to a 78-72 win.
Hendrickson led WARHAWK scorers with 17 points and had six steals. Both Lindsey Buechner (12 points/11 rebounds) and Tiffany Morton (11 points/12 rebounds) finished with double-doubles. It was a sloppy game as the two teams combined for 48 turnovers (23-WW, 25 LC).
WHITEWATER improves to 9-0. Next up is Coe College on Tuesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 16, 2007, 10:39:04 PM
Post by: buf on December 16, 2007, 10:39:04 PM
Didn't UWW play Luther yesterday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on December 17, 2007, 03:56:43 AM
Post by: OshDude on December 17, 2007, 03:56:43 AM
Oshkosh travels 1,500 miles to Fort Lauderdale this week to play ... Lakeland (and Mount Union). Brilliant!
Got to love the tournament scheduler's sense of humor.
Anyway, I hope the coaches bought plane tickets for the right date this year (that might be a bit inside).
Got to love the tournament scheduler's sense of humor.
Anyway, I hope the coaches bought plane tickets for the right date this year (that might be a bit inside).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr_Downtown on December 17, 2007, 10:30:47 AM
Post by: Mr_Downtown on December 17, 2007, 10:30:47 AM
Too soon, dude. Too soon ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2007, 02:23:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2007, 02:23:30 PM
Quote from: buf on December 16, 2007, 10:39:04 PM
Didn't UWW play Luther yesterday.
Yes, you are correct. My bad, it was Luther and not Loras. DUH, I hate it when I do something stupid like that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 17, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 17, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
I know I'm pushing the envelope of propriety here, but I'm wondering how many posters know of Wisconsin's Jolene Anderson, a near-local athlete in my neck of the woods. Of those who know of her, how many think she has a chance at playing professional basketball? If she can make the leap, can she continue to astound us with her ability to dominate the good ;D statistics (points, rebounds, steals as opposed to bad >:( statistics-turnovers and fouls)? I personally thought she would struggle moving from South Shore High School (100 students?) to Madison (40,000?), but she didn't stumble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2007, 09:36:05 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2007, 09:36:05 PM
She'll be an WNBA draft pick in my opinion. z
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 17, 2007, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 17, 2007, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2007, 02:23:30 PMQuote from: buf on December 16, 2007, 10:39:04 PM
Didn't UWW play Luther yesterday.
Yes, you are correct. My bad, it was Luther and not Loras. DUH, I hate it when I do something stupid like that.
Thats OK, BW. We forgive you ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2007, 11:32:40 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2007, 11:32:40 AM
With 8-0 Coe coming to town I expected the WARHAWKS would have a tougher time of it. However that wasn't the case as WHITEWATER put a 88-61 licking on the previously undefeated KoHawk. Coe's only lead was 2-0 on a pair of free throws that were answered with a 10-0 run. Holding Coe to 29% shooting while shooting 55% themselves and forcing 16 turnovers the WARHAWKS were never seriously challenged and built a 28 point lead, 48-20 by halftime.
Heidi Sontag led all scorers with 23 points including 3 of 3 from beyond the arch. Tiffany Morton added 12 while Lyndsey Buechner and Kelsey Hendrickson contributed 11 points apiece. WHITEWATER'S defense was very solid forcing 27 turnovers, 16 of which were steals with many of them happening in Coe's backcourt and leading to easy scores. Buechner had 8 rebounds to lead the team which had a 40-30 edge including 13 offensively.
Next up is a trip to sunny Irvine, Ca. where the WARHAWKS will meet Wiedner College (Pa) and the #1 ranked Mary Washington University.
P.S. I have throughly researched this buf and I'm certain that it was Coe we played last night. I also checked with a friend just to be positive.
Heidi Sontag led all scorers with 23 points including 3 of 3 from beyond the arch. Tiffany Morton added 12 while Lyndsey Buechner and Kelsey Hendrickson contributed 11 points apiece. WHITEWATER'S defense was very solid forcing 27 turnovers, 16 of which were steals with many of them happening in Coe's backcourt and leading to easy scores. Buechner had 8 rebounds to lead the team which had a 40-30 edge including 13 offensively.
Next up is a trip to sunny Irvine, Ca. where the WARHAWKS will meet Wiedner College (Pa) and the #1 ranked Mary Washington University.
P.S. I have throughly researched this buf and I'm certain that it was Coe we played last night. I also checked with a friend just to be positive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kate on December 19, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
Post by: kate on December 19, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
Hi Badgerwarhawk - that's Widener University, by the way, located in Chester, PA (just south of Philadelphia), and coached by Alisa DiBonaventura, a 2001 All American player out of Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, PA. They are known as the Pride. Sure hope you all have a great tournament!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 19, 2007, 02:00:24 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 19, 2007, 02:00:24 PM
Interesting holiday tournaments being hosted in California in the next week or so...
So, if things shake out in Irvine, #1 Mary Washington could meet the #5 Warhawks, while UWSP (#15) and UWEC (#22) could match up in San Diego... Good tests for all three teams, as they prep and head into the WIAC season at full speed ahead...
So, if things shake out in Irvine, #1 Mary Washington could meet the #5 Warhawks, while UWSP (#15) and UWEC (#22) could match up in San Diego... Good tests for all three teams, as they prep and head into the WIAC season at full speed ahead...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 19, 2007, 04:02:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 19, 2007, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: kate on December 19, 2007, 01:23:18 PMWow! They are coming from all corners of the country for the opportunity to correct BadgerWarhawk.
Hi Badgerwarhawk - that's Widener University, by the way, located in Chester, PA (just south of Philadelphia), and coached by Alisa DiBonaventura, a 2001 All American player out of Delaware Valley College in Doylestown, PA. They are known as the Pride. Sure hope you all have a great tournament!
This could be an international phenomenom some day. BW, anything else you've messed up? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2007, 05:06:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2007, 05:06:24 PM
Kate, I've got all the letters in there. I plead typo.
We dno't wrroy aoubt sepliling aornud hree bceasue poelpe dno't raed ltetres tehy raed pttaenrs and as lnog as the frsit and lsat ltteres are in the crroect potsioins it can be raed. ;)
Not that I can think of Bill but give me a day or two and I'm sure something will turn up.
We dno't wrroy aoubt sepliling aornud hree bceasue poelpe dno't raed ltetres tehy raed pttaenrs and as lnog as the frsit and lsat ltteres are in the crroect potsioins it can be raed. ;)
Not that I can think of Bill but give me a day or two and I'm sure something will turn up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kate on December 20, 2007, 08:44:16 AM
Post by: kate on December 20, 2007, 08:44:16 AM
:), thanks, BW, that makes my early morning - again, hope you all have a great & safe tourney - Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2007, 10:28:34 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2007, 10:28:34 AM
The smae to you ktae. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 27, 2007, 02:58:40 PM
Post by: buf on December 27, 2007, 02:58:40 PM
Just followed live stats of the EC game at the Holiday tourney out west: Not good!
EC loses 65-60 to Gustavus Adolphus. EC slowly builds up an 8 point lead in the 1st half and goes to the locker room up 6 at the half, despite Burns sitting out the last 7min due to foul trouble. EC takes an early 8 point lead in the 2nd and then watches Gustavus go on a 15-2 run to take a 5 point lead. Many, many turnovers by EC during this stretch. It was anywhere between a 2 and 7 point game the rest of the way. Free throws late in the 2nd were a problem also. At one time, I believe EC was 11-12 from the line. Later on in the game, that stat read 12-18.
Late in the game, I noticed that EC was only 1-6 form 3s. I then was looking at the boxscore and saw that there was no Rachel M. Injured??
This loss was a really bad loss for a couple reasons:
1. It was a regional loss
2. If EC had won, they could very well have played a total of 3 regional games this weekend. These regional games would have been against teams that likely would have really good records by the end of the season. On top of this, these all count as "road games." In other words, EC could have boosted its QQIW(for postseason consideration) big time. Now, unless other upsets occur, EC will probably play 2 meaningless games (out of region) for the rest of the tournament.
BTW, Point plays later on. They play the host school which is supposed to be pretty good.
EC loses 65-60 to Gustavus Adolphus. EC slowly builds up an 8 point lead in the 1st half and goes to the locker room up 6 at the half, despite Burns sitting out the last 7min due to foul trouble. EC takes an early 8 point lead in the 2nd and then watches Gustavus go on a 15-2 run to take a 5 point lead. Many, many turnovers by EC during this stretch. It was anywhere between a 2 and 7 point game the rest of the way. Free throws late in the 2nd were a problem also. At one time, I believe EC was 11-12 from the line. Later on in the game, that stat read 12-18.
Late in the game, I noticed that EC was only 1-6 form 3s. I then was looking at the boxscore and saw that there was no Rachel M. Injured??
This loss was a really bad loss for a couple reasons:
1. It was a regional loss
2. If EC had won, they could very well have played a total of 3 regional games this weekend. These regional games would have been against teams that likely would have really good records by the end of the season. On top of this, these all count as "road games." In other words, EC could have boosted its QQIW(for postseason consideration) big time. Now, unless other upsets occur, EC will probably play 2 meaningless games (out of region) for the rest of the tournament.
BTW, Point plays later on. They play the host school which is supposed to be pretty good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 27, 2007, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 27, 2007, 08:50:00 PM
Point trailed by 14 at the half and by 17 with 17min left, but comes from behind to defeat Point Loma 56-51. Houghton carried Point down the stretch with 10 points in the last 4min of the game.
With the Point win, EC has no more regional games for the rest of the tournament.
With the Point win, EC has no more regional games for the rest of the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 01:47:35 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 01:47:35 PM
UWEC leads at the half over Ithaca, 42-18. Ithaca has one player who is 4-7 from the field. The rest of the team is 1-24.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
UWEC wins 72-46 over Ithaca.
Most likely they will have to play the host school, Point Loma, who Stevens Point squeeked by last night.
Most likely they will have to play the host school, Point Loma, who Stevens Point squeeked by last night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 04:56:38 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 04:56:38 PM
UWEC loses its final game to the host Point Loma 71-51. EC came within 3 points a few different times in the 2nd half, the last at the 12min mark. Things unraveled quickly after that. At the 12min mark EC was shooting 55% for the game and ended up at 42%. Also, for the 2nd game in a row, EC turns it over at least 27 times. For a small team that is guard oriented, I would think they would have to try and limit their turnovers to 15 or less.
Overall, this was not a good tournament for EC. They go 1-2 and 0-1 in region. I really thought this tournament was a good opportunity for them to get some quality in region games. I was thinking that they would defeat both GAC and Carroll, and then hopefully play Point in the championship game, ending up the tournament at worst 2-1.
Point plays Carroll in the championship game at 6:00 central time.
Overall, this was not a good tournament for EC. They go 1-2 and 0-1 in region. I really thought this tournament was a good opportunity for them to get some quality in region games. I was thinking that they would defeat both GAC and Carroll, and then hopefully play Point in the championship game, ending up the tournament at worst 2-1.
Point plays Carroll in the championship game at 6:00 central time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 09:06:28 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 09:06:28 PM
Point wins over Carroll in the championship of the tournament out west, 84-60.
Whitewater wins big over Widener today.
Whitewater wins big over Widener today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 10:01:04 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2007, 10:01:04 PM
RF loses to Viterbo
UWP outlasts Edgewood in 2 OT
UWL wins
UWP outlasts Edgewood in 2 OT
UWL wins
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
The WARHAWKS settled the issue early with a 19-2 run to start the game and a 41-20 halftime lead. Holding Widener scoreless for the the first 11:47 of the second half WHITEWATER buried them with another 23-0 run on way to a 73-42 win. Nineteen WARHAWKS made the trip and all played with no starter playing longer than 18 minutes and no player longer than 24. A stifling defense forced 36 Widener turnovers (16 steals) and held them to just 25% from the floor. Lyndsey Buechner led all scorers with 18 points and Tiffany Morton recorded a double-double 12 points, 11 rebounds. Meghan Schmidt also hit double figure scoring with 10 points as the WARHAWK bigs controlled the low post area and held a 48-37 rebounding advantage.
Today the 5th ranked, undefeated WARHAWKS matchup against undefeated, #1 ranked University of Mary Washington (Va.) on the neutral Irvine, Ca. court.
Today the 5th ranked, undefeated WARHAWKS matchup against undefeated, #1 ranked University of Mary Washington (Va.) on the neutral Irvine, Ca. court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 07:56:01 PM
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 07:56:01 PM
Halftime score
UW-Whitewater 35
Mary Washington 22
We sprung for the $8 to watch this thing on "Stretch Internet."
Unfortunately, no audio in any fashion to go along with video (technical issues...you'd think they'd tell you before you purchase).
Best observations I can make...
The UW-Whitewater players have long arms and that's caused disruption for Mary Washington in it's offense...having tough time both passing, shooting over the top of the defense. Whitewater has led whole way, and (I'm guessing here) I think the point guard (Hendrickson) is having a nice game. Little hard to tell though.
UW-Whitewater 35
Mary Washington 22
We sprung for the $8 to watch this thing on "Stretch Internet."
Unfortunately, no audio in any fashion to go along with video (technical issues...you'd think they'd tell you before you purchase).
Best observations I can make...
The UW-Whitewater players have long arms and that's caused disruption for Mary Washington in it's offense...having tough time both passing, shooting over the top of the defense. Whitewater has led whole way, and (I'm guessing here) I think the point guard (Hendrickson) is having a nice game. Little hard to tell though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2007, 09:09:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2007, 09:09:26 PM
After leading comfortably theWARHAWKS ended up having to hold on for dear life. But they do 70-67 and take down #1 ranked Mary Washington.
Sorry no details are available at this time.
Sorry no details are available at this time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 09:11:24 PM
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 09:11:24 PM
I have a few...
Final
UW-Whitewater 70
Mary Washington 67
A really INSANE ending to this game.
Mary Washington was way behind...as much as 20 down in 2nd half, and to be honest, it was dominance from UW-Whitewater
But then, about 730 left, things took a major change...
Mary Washington started hitting some shots (including a couple 3's), and UW-Whitewater got a little tight.
I wasn't totally keeping notes, but I believe there was stretch in last 90 seconds in which UW-Whitewater was 2-8 on FT and Mary Washington made a couple 3's in a row, including one to tie game with 23 seconds left. Lack of audio and blurry video when blown up to reasonable size made it hard to tell who hit it.
UW-Whitewater got ball to point guard, Hendrickson, I believe, and Mary Washington tried to trap, ended up fouling her as she ducked through it. She made 1 of 2 FT.
Mary Washington got a look at a winning shot, but missed...UW-Whitewater made 2 FT with less than second left to account for final score.
Hopefully both schools will provide a thorough recap. Crazy game.
Final
UW-Whitewater 70
Mary Washington 67
A really INSANE ending to this game.
Mary Washington was way behind...as much as 20 down in 2nd half, and to be honest, it was dominance from UW-Whitewater
But then, about 730 left, things took a major change...
Mary Washington started hitting some shots (including a couple 3's), and UW-Whitewater got a little tight.
I wasn't totally keeping notes, but I believe there was stretch in last 90 seconds in which UW-Whitewater was 2-8 on FT and Mary Washington made a couple 3's in a row, including one to tie game with 23 seconds left. Lack of audio and blurry video when blown up to reasonable size made it hard to tell who hit it.
UW-Whitewater got ball to point guard, Hendrickson, I believe, and Mary Washington tried to trap, ended up fouling her as she ducked through it. She made 1 of 2 FT.
Mary Washington got a look at a winning shot, but missed...UW-Whitewater made 2 FT with less than second left to account for final score.
Hopefully both schools will provide a thorough recap. Crazy game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 30, 2007, 09:34:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 30, 2007, 09:34:33 PM
I think this says a lot about our league. Whitewater beats the #1 team, and while they are tops in the WIAC right now, by no means are they head & shoulders above the other 8. Point only lost by 4 on the road and I think Eau Claire (despite their tough showing in San Diego) can play right with them to. I still predict the WIAC champ loses three league games this year.
I think next week, Whitewater should be 1 or 2 in the country and I'd bump UWSP all the way up to 4-7 based on their showing in San Diego and their result against Whitewater.
Congrats Whitewater! But, beware the burden of being a marked target!
I think next week, Whitewater should be 1 or 2 in the country and I'd bump UWSP all the way up to 4-7 based on their showing in San Diego and their result against Whitewater.
Congrats Whitewater! But, beware the burden of being a marked target!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 30, 2007, 10:00:33 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 30, 2007, 10:00:33 PM
When was the last time a women's WIAC team was #1?
The last I can think of, was i think the 03/04 season when Oshkosh with Coach Pam Ruder, and the Junior Class of Brittney Herrick, Kelly O'Keefe, and Shannon Eggers got the nod.
Then they lost to some girl named Kelsey Duoss and UW-Stout...by 30...at Kolf. ;D ;) ???
I think Whitewater should get SERIOUS consideration for #1.
The last I can think of, was i think the 03/04 season when Oshkosh with Coach Pam Ruder, and the Junior Class of Brittney Herrick, Kelly O'Keefe, and Shannon Eggers got the nod.
Then they lost to some girl named Kelsey Duoss and UW-Stout...by 30...at Kolf. ;D ;) ???
I think Whitewater should get SERIOUS consideration for #1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2007, 10:52:46 PM
Post by: buf on December 30, 2007, 10:52:46 PM
I am sure they will get at least some 1st place votes. Not sure that they will rise to #1 though, especially if the teams above them win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 11:36:01 PM
Post by: atn alum on December 30, 2007, 11:36:01 PM
Jumping from 5 to 1, even by beating #1, is tough...unless 2-3-4 lose. That said, 16 first-place votes up for grabs, likely to be dispersed among Hope, Howard Payne, Whitewater and maybe NYU/Thomas More.
Jumping from 15 to top 5 (UWSP) also tough...albeit not unprecedented. But very few women's teams lost this week, so not much room for them to jump...good wins though.
Jumping from 15 to top 5 (UWSP) also tough...albeit not unprecedented. But very few women's teams lost this week, so not much room for them to jump...good wins though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2007, 12:32:02 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2007, 12:32:02 AM
Hope is really good. I think they'll be No. 1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 31, 2007, 11:43:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 31, 2007, 11:43:58 AM
Congrats to the WARHAWKS and assistant coaches Amy Zelinger and Pete VonAllmen who took over the reins of head coach in the absence of Coach Carollo and guided the team to two wins in sunny California. Coach Carollo, expecting a baby any day now, was grounded by her physician and unable to make the trip. The win over Mary Washington is one of the biggest in the history of the program. It had to be nerve wracking sitting in Wisconsin and getting cell phone updates.
Regardless of the ranking there is no time to rest on our laurels as a tough WIAC conference slate awaits the team's return. A great win and huge confidence booster but there's still plenty of hard work ahead.
Regardless of the ranking there is no time to rest on our laurels as a tough WIAC conference slate awaits the team's return. A great win and huge confidence booster but there's still plenty of hard work ahead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 31, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
Post by: BDB on December 31, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
The Blue Devils show no mercy (and a heck of a full court press) as they win 2 games at the Land Of Magic tourney down in Florida.
In the 2 games they outscored their opponents 170-79.
UW-Stout - 85 SUNY-Oswego - 40
UW-Stout - 85 Immacullatta - 39
In the 2 games they outscored their opponents 170-79.
UW-Stout - 85 SUNY-Oswego - 40
UW-Stout - 85 Immacullatta - 39
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 31, 2007, 04:56:16 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on December 31, 2007, 04:56:16 PM
Pete Von Allmen was (or still is) the winningest women's high school basketball coach in the state of Wisconsin, with his last high school gig at Fort Atkinson High in 02/03.
It's no surprise that Whitewater didn't drop off, and it shows how strong that coaching staff is. I can't say for sure that if any other team in the WIAC had to ask the assistants to step up, that they would have done as good.
It's no surprise that Whitewater didn't drop off, and it shows how strong that coaching staff is. I can't say for sure that if any other team in the WIAC had to ask the assistants to step up, that they would have done as good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 31, 2007, 09:05:46 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 31, 2007, 09:05:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on December 30, 2007, 10:00:33 PMThat was actually 2004-05, Mr. DT.
When was the last time a women's WIAC team was #1?
The last I can think of, was i think the 03/04 season when Oshkosh with Coach Pam Ruder, and the Junior Class of Brittney Herrick, Kelly O'Keefe, and Shannon Eggers got the nod.
Oshkosh was #1 in Week 7 of 2004-05. (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/05/week7.htm) They lost their next game to Stout.
Stevens Point was #1 in Week 6 of 2003-04. (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/04/week6.htm) They lost their next game to Platteville.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 01, 2008, 06:16:33 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 01, 2008, 06:16:33 PM
Blue Devil Bob-
Your team whupped up on their opponents, but let's look at the overall picture:
They have 12 girls on their roster
Stout has 21 (almost double); and we know how Coach T likes to sub and run.
That school is a SMALL liberal arts college.
Their overall record is 2-7; conference record 0-3.
Sorry, but if you're going to get on here and boast people will be curious enough to see why Stout beat up on them.......no competition.
I would want to see my team play evenly matched teams since they are traveling so far. Whoever scheduled these games didn't do a very good job of it.
Your team whupped up on their opponents, but let's look at the overall picture:
They have 12 girls on their roster
Stout has 21 (almost double); and we know how Coach T likes to sub and run.
That school is a SMALL liberal arts college.
Their overall record is 2-7; conference record 0-3.
Sorry, but if you're going to get on here and boast people will be curious enough to see why Stout beat up on them.......no competition.
I would want to see my team play evenly matched teams since they are traveling so far. Whoever scheduled these games didn't do a very good job of it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 01, 2008, 08:14:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 01, 2008, 08:14:15 PM
hoops46,
Teams have no control over who they play on these tournaments. You sign up, pay your money, and the tournament organizer makes the pairings.
And while Immaculata is a small school, Oswego is a large public.
(Not that size of school or size of roster make much difference, since everyone has the ability to recruit and only five can be on the floor at a time.)
Teams have no control over who they play on these tournaments. You sign up, pay your money, and the tournament organizer makes the pairings.
And while Immaculata is a small school, Oswego is a large public.
(Not that size of school or size of roster make much difference, since everyone has the ability to recruit and only five can be on the floor at a time.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 01, 2008, 09:58:59 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 01, 2008, 09:58:59 PM
I don't know how you can say the size of roster doesn't matter. It sure does. Depth....fresh players. That is why Stout is so successful.
The bottom line is Stout had no competition and that's too bad given how far they traveled.
Looking forward to the rest of the season.
The bottom line is Stout had no competition and that's too bad given how far they traveled.
Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 01, 2008, 11:08:41 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 01, 2008, 11:08:41 PM
Size of roster does matter, but you can't hold Stout accountable because the other team didn't have as many players. Nobody put a roster limit on Immaculata or anyone else, so your assertation that Stout is taking advantage of them because of that is flawed.
If a large a roster was all it took to be successful why doesn't everyone carry 20+ players? I recall a UWSP that won a national title with 15 and a UW-Oshkosh team that won one with 13. Quality of players matters far more than quantity of players.
If a team has 22 kids that stink, they won't beat anybody.
If a large a roster was all it took to be successful why doesn't everyone carry 20+ players? I recall a UWSP that won a national title with 15 and a UW-Oshkosh team that won one with 13. Quality of players matters far more than quantity of players.
If a team has 22 kids that stink, they won't beat anybody.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
You're entitled to your own thoughts and theories. Mine certainly have not changed, but strengthened. I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 02, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
Post by: BDB on January 02, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 01, 2008, 06:16:33 PM
Sorry, but if you're going to get on here and boast people will be curious enough to see why Stout beat up on them.......no competition.
People on here are curious to see how teams in the WIAC do. That's what I posted, how Stout did in this tournament. Call that boasting? There's alot of boasting then that goes on in Post Patterns/Posting Up.
Quote from: Just Bill on January 01, 2008, 11:08:41 PM
If a team has 22 kids that stink, they won't beat anybody.
Exactly.
Quote from: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
You're entitled to your own thoughts and theories. Mine certainly have not changed, but strengthened. I'll just leave it at that.
And your theory is what? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 02, 2008, 05:12:05 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 02, 2008, 05:12:05 PM
Where do you get 21 their is only 19 and one is still out with injury
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 02, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
Post by: buf on January 02, 2008, 10:32:02 PM
Both UWO and River Falls are victorious tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 11:53:44 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on January 02, 2008, 02:13:15 PMQuote from: hoops49 on January 01, 2008, 06:16:33 PM
Sorry, but if you're going to get on here and boast people will be curious enough to see why Stout beat up on them.......no competition.
People on here are curious to see how teams in the WIAC do. That's what I posted, how Stout did in this tournament. Call that boasting? There's alot of boasting then that goes on in Post Patterns/Posting Up.Quote from: Just Bill on January 01, 2008, 11:08:41 PM
If a team has 22 kids that stink, they won't beat anybody.
Exactly.Quote from: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
You're entitled to your own thoughts and theories. Mine certainly have not changed, but strengthened. I'll just leave it at that.
And your theory is what? ???
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on January 02, 2008, 05:12:05 PM
Where do you get 21 their is only 19 and one is still out with injury
I'm getting 21 from their roster that is on their website.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2008, 10:20:34 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2008, 10:20:34 AM
Pat,
Couldn't you guys just ignore us and let us slip under the radar for a while? ;)
We're #2 so we'll just have to try harder :D
Seriously, with a long and arduous conference schedule ahead maintaining this pace is going to be challenging.
Couldn't you guys just ignore us and let us slip under the radar for a while? ;)
We're #2 so we'll just have to try harder :D
Seriously, with a long and arduous conference schedule ahead maintaining this pace is going to be challenging.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 05, 2008, 09:06:20 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 05, 2008, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 11:53:44 PMI'm getting 21 from their roster that is on their website.
So you researched Stout enough to know that they had 21 players come out for the team at the start of the season. Great!
But did you take the time to research the last game? Apparently not. Maybe you should do better investigative work before posting here.
Stout's starters total playing time in that last game:
Julia Hirssig - 15 minutes
Lindsey Geissler - 17 minutes
Joanna Bird - 18 minutes
Charlee Edwards - 12 minutes
Dani Boese - 11 minutes
In the second half of the game, the starters never even broke a sweat with the following playing times:
Julia Hirssig - 3 minutes
Lindsey Geissler - 5 minutes
Joanna Bird - 5 minutes
Charlee Edwards - 3 minutes
Dani Boese - 3 minutes
Coach T took Stout's normal full court press off midway through the first half. Every player on the team had at LEAST 7 minutes of playing time. A lot of the "sub and run" (your words) was done with third or fourth stringers subbing for second or third stringers
Stout opened the season with an extremely difficult non-conference schedule - playing the Badgers (exhibition), and DII teams from Mankato, St. Cloud and Bemidji.
As already noted, Stout went down to Florida to play in a tournament. The only request Coach T made of the scheduler is that they not play UW LaCrosse - as UWL is a conference school. One should understand how tournament scheduling works, before casting aspersions that it was Stout's intention to get matched up against a pair of "cupcakes" in a holiday tournament in Florida.
QuoteI don't know how you can say the size of roster doesn't matter. It sure does. Depth....fresh players. That is why Stout is so successful.
How do you explain Stout's loss to UWEC (oh how it pains me to say that...) in the conference opener then? EC has fewer players, so they must have lost, right???
No, EC was a better team (that day anyway).
Stout and Coach T have been successful because of a lot of hard work and dedication from the players and the coaching staff. It takes that in order to make all those players function cohesively as a team.
Basketball is a team game - and the players must play together as a unit to obtain their success.
If your thoughts and theories have only been strengthened in this recent discussion, may I suggest that it is only because of hardening of the arteries in your brain... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 05, 2008, 06:05:40 PM
Post by: buf on January 05, 2008, 06:05:40 PM
Point smokes UWO
UWL smokes Superior
WW comfortably over RF
Stout finishes with a big run to oust UWP
UWL smokes Superior
WW comfortably over RF
Stout finishes with a big run to oust UWP
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2008, 07:29:35 PM
Leading 14-12 six minutes into the ballgame the WARHAWKS held River Falls scoreless for the next six minutes and ran off 15 straight to take a comfortable 29-12 lead. RF cut the deficit to 11 points twice in the second half but each time WHITEWATER made longer runs and the lead grew steadily to as many as 37 points, 83-48 with 2 minutes remaining. The final was 86-54.
Heidi Sontage led all scorers with 27 points (16 1st half). Sontag was 5 of 6 from beyond the arch and 10-11 from the free throw line. Sontag also recorded 4 of the team's 20 steals. Rachael Woolever made 4 three-pointers for 12 points and Nicole Bundy also added a dozen. WW was 11 of 22 from beyond the arch to equal program records for three point baskets in a game and three point accuracy. The game had periods of sloppiness as the two teams combined for 56 turnovers with River Falls having 32.
WHITEWATER improve to 4-0 to hold their share of first place in conference play and 13-0 on the season. The thirteen win streak sets a new program record for consecutive wins. LaCrosse invades Williams Center Wednesday night.
Heidi Sontage led all scorers with 27 points (16 1st half). Sontag was 5 of 6 from beyond the arch and 10-11 from the free throw line. Sontag also recorded 4 of the team's 20 steals. Rachael Woolever made 4 three-pointers for 12 points and Nicole Bundy also added a dozen. WW was 11 of 22 from beyond the arch to equal program records for three point baskets in a game and three point accuracy. The game had periods of sloppiness as the two teams combined for 56 turnovers with River Falls having 32.
WHITEWATER improve to 4-0 to hold their share of first place in conference play and 13-0 on the season. The thirteen win streak sets a new program record for consecutive wins. LaCrosse invades Williams Center Wednesday night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 05, 2008, 09:02:42 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 05, 2008, 09:02:42 PM
QuoteUWL smokes SuperiorSmoked 'em, tossed 'em, and then stubbed them out under their heels. I didn't see the game, but one who did said they "looked disorganized."
It's too painful to watch. I hope Mulhern has a plan that isn't obvious to the onlookers but will become so in the near future. Maybe we're lying in the weeds awaiting a second-half-of-the-season ambush.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 06, 2008, 08:26:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 06, 2008, 08:26:47 AM
In an unusual start to the game, Coach T apparently didn't like what he saw from the majority of his starters, so had them ride the pine for most of the first half. All 5 combined garnered only 27 minutes of playing time and only 10 point in the first period.
Half time score.... 38 - 33 Stout. Lisa Grantman of Platteville led all first half scoring with 11, and Stout had Freshman Danielle Dewitt and Shelby Churchill leading the Blue Devil scoring with 7 points each. Churchill led both teams with 6 rebounds.
In the first 12 minutes of the second half, Platteville outscored the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils 31 - 19 and built a 7 point lead, 64 - 57.
From that point on, the game changed. Platteville, scoring only 4 points in the last 8 minutes, watched that 7 point lead turn into a 12 point deficit, as Stout, led by the starting 5 scored 23 points.
Top scorer for the game was Lisa Grantman for UWP with 18 points and 11 boards. Grantman was perfect from the charity stripe hitting 9 of 9 FT's.
After sitting most of the first half, Julia Hirssig had an impressive second half, hitting 15 points and 10 boards in that period alone (a double/double in one half of play). She totalled 17 points and 11 boards for the game.
Next up, UWL on Saturday.
Half time score.... 38 - 33 Stout. Lisa Grantman of Platteville led all first half scoring with 11, and Stout had Freshman Danielle Dewitt and Shelby Churchill leading the Blue Devil scoring with 7 points each. Churchill led both teams with 6 rebounds.
In the first 12 minutes of the second half, Platteville outscored the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils 31 - 19 and built a 7 point lead, 64 - 57.
From that point on, the game changed. Platteville, scoring only 4 points in the last 8 minutes, watched that 7 point lead turn into a 12 point deficit, as Stout, led by the starting 5 scored 23 points.
Top scorer for the game was Lisa Grantman for UWP with 18 points and 11 boards. Grantman was perfect from the charity stripe hitting 9 of 9 FT's.
After sitting most of the first half, Julia Hirssig had an impressive second half, hitting 15 points and 10 boards in that period alone (a double/double in one half of play). She totalled 17 points and 11 boards for the game.
Next up, UWL on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 06, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 06, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
I was also very confused as to why 4 of the 5 starters only played that first minute of the game. In Mark's post game interview, he told me that he was indeed upset by starters early play and then players like Churchill, Gerber, Schaefer, and Dewitt just played so well he just kept them on the floor. Who can argue with the results? Hirssig dominated the 2nd half. A nice win for Stout and don't count them out just yet. I think this team will compete.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 07, 2008, 05:48:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 07, 2008, 05:48:00 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 06, 2008, 08:55:41 AMA nice win for Stout and don't count them out just yet. I think this team will compete.
After the next three games, I think we'll know what this team is made of. Especially the two road games.
Not sayin' that they need to win all three (although that would be my hope... ;D), but they need to play well in all three games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 07, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 07, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Stoutguy and Champ: Are those huge spaces below your comments pregnant pauses? Room for thought? Dead silence? Vacancy notices? White noise? Negative pressure?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 07, 2008, 10:32:48 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 07, 2008, 10:32:48 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 07, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Stoutguy and Champ: Are those huge spaces below your comments pregnant pauses? Room for thought? Dead silence? Vacancy notices? White noise? Negative pressure?
After looking at mine, after your comment, I realized that the [/quote] that I found to be missing as I was composing my post had somehow found it's way several lines below anything I had typed... ???
The mysteries of the universe can't always be explained.... ;)
I too wondered about the extra space on SG's post... ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bballer on January 07, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: Bballer on January 07, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
Anyone know why Brittney Hakenson is not playing for EC anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 07, 2008, 07:56:48 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 07, 2008, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 07, 2008, 09:43:42 AM
Stoutguy and Champ: Are those huge spaces below your comments pregnant pauses? Room for thought? Dead silence? Vacancy notices? White noise? Negative pressure?
I choose to go with the vacancy notice excuse. And I also notice that Champ was able to fix his. He's a bit brighter than me so mine stays as is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2008, 09:51:16 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2008, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: Bballer on January 07, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
Anyone know why Brittney Hakenson is not playing for EC anymore.
I just went to the EC roster and she is not listed on it. I have no idea why she is not playing anymore.
By the way, what has happened to the debate a couple years ago about who's freshman class will be better between EC and UWL. It turns out both haven't been doing a whole lot lately. I haven't really heard much from UWL besides Hunter. And, EC's is now basically down to Heidi A and Witt. Brooke Hakanson transfered last year and now it looks like her sister isn't playing anymore. Anderson and Mueggenborg have played much less this year than in past years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on January 08, 2008, 07:37:50 PM
Post by: BuckyC on January 08, 2008, 07:37:50 PM
Did anybody see Monday's Leader-Telegram? UWEC asked WIAC commish Gary Karner if they could move Saturday's game times vs UW-Whitewater from 3pm and 5pm to 11am and 1pm. UW-Whitewater is coming to Eau Claire on Friday and the Packers play at 3:30 on Saturday. Karner told UWEC No and Karner got told off by the Leader-Telegram in their editorial section. Heaven forbid if a school should ever want to increase their basketball attendance. ::)
I noticed this was mentioned on the Men's board and also on wissports so it's a hot topic right now.
I noticed this was mentioned on the Men's board and also on wissports so it's a hot topic right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 08, 2008, 09:33:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 08, 2008, 09:33:01 PM
Don't see any reason to change the game times.
The Womens WIAC BB schedule was set long ago. It's not just the UWEC/UWW game - it's the whole conference schedule:
1/12/08 UW-Whitewater @ UW-Eau Claire Eau Claire 3:00 PM
1/12/08 UW-La Crosse @ UW-Stout Menomonie 3:00 PM
1/12/08 UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Superior Superior 1:00 PM
1/12/08 UW-Platteville @ UW-Stevens Point Stevens Point 3:00 PM
The Leader Telegram is being extremely naive if they think that the entire WIAC basketball schedule should revolve around a football team in Green Bay.
Karner made the right call.
If some fans don't care enough about their teams to come and watch them play live vs. recording a game they could watch later - that's their problem.
The Womens WIAC BB schedule was set long ago. It's not just the UWEC/UWW game - it's the whole conference schedule:
1/12/08 UW-Whitewater @ UW-Eau Claire Eau Claire 3:00 PM
1/12/08 UW-La Crosse @ UW-Stout Menomonie 3:00 PM
1/12/08 UW-Oshkosh @ UW-Superior Superior 1:00 PM
1/12/08 UW-Platteville @ UW-Stevens Point Stevens Point 3:00 PM
The Leader Telegram is being extremely naive if they think that the entire WIAC basketball schedule should revolve around a football team in Green Bay.
Karner made the right call.
If some fans don't care enough about their teams to come and watch them play live vs. recording a game they could watch later - that's their problem.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 09, 2008, 09:15:21 AM
Post by: cubs on January 09, 2008, 09:15:21 AM
For those of you that follow the Stout program pretty closely......
How are the three girls from Kimberly playing this season? I looked at the stats for this years team, but stats can only tell you so much.
It appears that the games in which Van Vreede is playing, she is playing quite a bit (nearly 17 minutes a game) and for the most part playing pretty well. However it also appears she may have sustained an injury, as she has only played in 8 of 13 games.
Also noticed the Wyngaard sisters are playing here and there as well, with Nikki playing in all 13 games (averaging about 6 minutes) and Becky 8 games.
Can you guys add anymore than just the stats? Thanks in advance!!!
How are the three girls from Kimberly playing this season? I looked at the stats for this years team, but stats can only tell you so much.
It appears that the games in which Van Vreede is playing, she is playing quite a bit (nearly 17 minutes a game) and for the most part playing pretty well. However it also appears she may have sustained an injury, as she has only played in 8 of 13 games.
Also noticed the Wyngaard sisters are playing here and there as well, with Nikki playing in all 13 games (averaging about 6 minutes) and Becky 8 games.
Can you guys add anymore than just the stats? Thanks in advance!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 09, 2008, 09:52:50 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 09, 2008, 09:52:50 AM
If both schools were ok with the switch I don't see what difference it should make. Particularly considering that there is another game being played at 1pm. And there's no reason they'd have to change all of the games if only EC and WW were making the request. Though perhaps the problem is with the media outlets that are broadcasting the games, they've paid for the rights, and the rescheduling they'd have to do. But, whatever, I'm sure everyone will survive. Fortunately the WARHAWKS are on the road so they won't need to find a replacement timer and I can have my cake and eat it too.
Earlier this season WHITEWATER requested changing the starting time of the games against Superior from 1pm/3pm to 3pm/5pm. The reason was different though. In this case there was a shortage of workers (scorer,timer,shot clock operator) who would be available because they are also on the football crew and we had a playoff game that day. However Superior wasn't interested (and I can't blame them) so I don't think the request ever got to the commissioner.
Champ the PACKERS are not just a football team in Green Bay. Maybe the Viking are just a football team in Minnesota to their fans but that isn't the way PACKER fans relate to their team. I'm not saying the WIAC should change but the Leader-Telegram isn't being naive. It may be fans' problem they can't watch both live but it's going to be UWEC's problem on Saturday too.
It's unfortunate because the game could be a showdown between conference unbeatens and the premiere game of the WIAC women's schedule to date.
The PACKERS and Eau Claire, your two favorites, you must have gotten a charge out of this. :D Come on, be honest now. ;)
Earlier this season WHITEWATER requested changing the starting time of the games against Superior from 1pm/3pm to 3pm/5pm. The reason was different though. In this case there was a shortage of workers (scorer,timer,shot clock operator) who would be available because they are also on the football crew and we had a playoff game that day. However Superior wasn't interested (and I can't blame them) so I don't think the request ever got to the commissioner.
Champ the PACKERS are not just a football team in Green Bay. Maybe the Viking are just a football team in Minnesota to their fans but that isn't the way PACKER fans relate to their team. I'm not saying the WIAC should change but the Leader-Telegram isn't being naive. It may be fans' problem they can't watch both live but it's going to be UWEC's problem on Saturday too.
It's unfortunate because the game could be a showdown between conference unbeatens and the premiere game of the WIAC women's schedule to date.
The PACKERS and Eau Claire, your two favorites, you must have gotten a charge out of this. :D Come on, be honest now. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 09, 2008, 10:24:07 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 09, 2008, 10:24:07 AM
I agree with the commish in principle, but I think common sense should have ruled the day.
IMHO, if:
1. Both teams are in agreement
2. The change doesn't result in additional missed class time and/or additional travel expenses, and
3. There is ample time to reschedule officials
then the change should be permitted.
IMHO, if:
1. Both teams are in agreement
2. The change doesn't result in additional missed class time and/or additional travel expenses, and
3. There is ample time to reschedule officials
then the change should be permitted.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 01:29:20 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 01:29:20 PM
Re: Kimberly girls (my take on it)
Nikki is older Wyngaard--junior this year and has never gotten a lot of playing time, although she seems to play quite well when she gets the chance; not sure how she ended up at Stout--AAU connection?. Was there a previous Kimberly area player there? Becky W and Van Vreede were outstanding players for Kimberly--both all-conference picks and Van Vreede honorable mention all-state, and good friends. Becky may have been aiming for Stout all along, Van Vreede had some different looks and chose Stout. Suffered a stress fracture somewhere along the way and is getting ready to come back. Van Vreede has a sister in Stevens Point, but didn't seem to consider going there; wonder why Oshkosh didn't get her/them (Wyngaards and Van Vreede)...like many freshmen, maybe they needed to put just the right distance between them and home: far enough away to prevent drop-in visits, close enough to get home when they need to.
Nikki is older Wyngaard--junior this year and has never gotten a lot of playing time, although she seems to play quite well when she gets the chance; not sure how she ended up at Stout--AAU connection?. Was there a previous Kimberly area player there? Becky W and Van Vreede were outstanding players for Kimberly--both all-conference picks and Van Vreede honorable mention all-state, and good friends. Becky may have been aiming for Stout all along, Van Vreede had some different looks and chose Stout. Suffered a stress fracture somewhere along the way and is getting ready to come back. Van Vreede has a sister in Stevens Point, but didn't seem to consider going there; wonder why Oshkosh didn't get her/them (Wyngaards and Van Vreede)...like many freshmen, maybe they needed to put just the right distance between them and home: far enough away to prevent drop-in visits, close enough to get home when they need to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 09, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
Post by: BDB on January 09, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
Maybe the Leader-Telegram should call the NFL commish and FOX and see if they will move the Packer game to a different time. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 09, 2008, 05:27:16 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 09, 2008, 05:27:16 PM
QuoteMaybe the Leader-Telegram should call the NFL commish and FOX and see if they will move the Packer game to a different time.
Very Funny :D ;D
Could you imagine that phone call between the Comissioners?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 09, 2008, 05:45:46 PM
Post by: cubs on January 09, 2008, 05:45:46 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 01:29:20 PMI don't think it was due to a lack of interest.... I know of at least two times last season that I saw Coach Schumacher in the stands for a Kimberly game.
I wonder why Oshkosh didn't get her/them (Wyngaards and Van Vreede)...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2008, 07:16:54 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2008, 07:16:54 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on January 09, 2008, 04:33:16 PM
Maybe the Leader-Telegram should call the NFL commish and FOX and see if they will move the Packer game to a different time. ;D
The NFL Commissioner did allow the change of a Packers preseason game (last year?) when it was going to be on a Friday night and it would conflict with HS football games...
Badger
The Packers are just a football team from Green Bay.
I missed the VIKINGS play San Diego this year in order to travel to Madison to see the Stout women play the Badgers (and I'm a VIKING season ticket holder...). My younger brother was very happy that I did, as he and his wife got to see Adrian Peterson set the all time NFL single game rushing record from my seats that day.
My main point was, if you aren't going to the Packer game, you can record it and watch it later. You might be familar with devices that can do that - DVR's, VCR's, etc.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
Quote from: cubs on January 09, 2008, 09:15:21 AM
For those of you that follow the Stout program pretty closely......
How are the three girls from Kimberly playing this season? I looked at the stats for this years team, but stats can only tell you so much.
I have been to many of the games this year - the Badgers, MSU, Northwestern, St. Scholastica, Bemidji and the Eau Claire game. I've also listened to several on line.
Trish is playing VERY well, and has EARNED her playing time. I see her becoming one of the outstanding WIAC players in future years. As phoenix_rising posted, Trish is recuperating - and as I understand close to be 100%. Sure would like to have her on the floor when we play WW and Point in the games next week!!!
Nikki has been on the team, but hasn't had a lot of playing time. I just can't recall how well she's actually played when she's been on the floor to be honest. Key factor is, I can't recall her making any bad mistakes - I think that's a good thing.
Becky has not played much at the games I've attended, so I really can't comment much. I do know that Coach T is very happy that she decided on Stout. I think she will get her playing time when the time comes. We will lose three Sr guards after this season (two of them starters).
Some photo's of the girls:
Nikki (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uwstout.edu%2Fathletics%2Fwbb%2Fgallery%2F2007-08%2Ffinlandia%2Fimages%2FDSC_0058.jpg&hash=a7ca19f804b7570f14be953f25195b85297d613e)
Becky (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uwstout.edu%2Fathletics%2Fwbb%2Fgallery%2F2007-08%2Ffinlandia%2Fimages%2FDSC_0061.jpg&hash=ed0106c16e2fa84688d72f731acb0e786d61b2e0)
Trish (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uwstout.edu%2Fathletics%2Fwbb%2Fgallery%2F2007-08%2Fnorthland%2Fimages%2FDSC_0051.jpg&hash=20137fee76b5e0e13064e85b2672cd54d9a78aed)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 09, 2008, 09:04:13 PM
Post by: cubs on January 09, 2008, 09:04:13 PM
Champ and Phoenix-
Thanks for the replies!!! Was just curious as to what they looked like in person. Sounds like a lot of positives!!
Thanks for the replies!!! Was just curious as to what they looked like in person. Sounds like a lot of positives!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 09, 2008, 10:03:59 PM
Post by: buf on January 09, 2008, 10:03:59 PM
EC big over Superior. Superior really struggled on the offensive end. In fact they hit the double digit mark scoring wise with 11min left in the half..........the 2nd half that is. Yes, that right, Superior had only 9pts with 11min left in the 2nd half. EC did play well defensively, but really needs to pick it up on offense with UWW coming to town on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 10:27:54 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 10:27:54 PM
QuoteIn fact they hit the double digit mark scoring wise with 11min left in the half..........the 2nd half that is
That would confirm the description of the Superwomen as "disorganized." Maybe we sent the hockey team instead of basketball. These errors can happen. Were any of the players carrying sticks?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 09, 2008, 10:34:15 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 09, 2008, 10:34:15 PM
Yep... Final was UWEC 54-21...
Game was basically over from right after the get go, as the 'Golds jumped to a 12-0 lead, and led at half 33-9... Used the press a lot in the first half of the first half, too. Didn't create a lot of turnovers off it, but may have helped wear down a Superior team that was exerting a lot of energy to try to stay in a game with a squad of only 12 players...
Blugolds forced a lot of one-and-dones on the defensive end... Neither team shot well from the 3-point land; they ugly stats of the night were UWEC was 3-16, for 18.8%, while Superior was 2-18, for 11.1 %.
Leading scorers, and only ones in double figures for either team, were Rachel Mueggenborg with 11, and Heidi Arciszewski with 10. Rebounds were scattered all across the board for both teams...
Both teams were able to get the bench players some PT, too. Golds are 10-3 and 4-0, while Superior falls to 3-9 and 0-4...
Other highlights:
Four of five youngsters made two regulation free throws in 20 seconds to collect $100 from the local newspaper. The other one got $50... Thems some shooting, considering how many adults I've seen over the years during halftime contests who don't even draw iron...
JJ Jumper was in the house. He's the NCAA mascot, and puts on a silly show... Hats off to the UWEC dance team, too, which performed at half time... Some of the members must have given up a few days in their semester break to be on hand for the game tonight...
Whitewater comes to town on Saturday... Should be a good one from Zorn...
Game was basically over from right after the get go, as the 'Golds jumped to a 12-0 lead, and led at half 33-9... Used the press a lot in the first half of the first half, too. Didn't create a lot of turnovers off it, but may have helped wear down a Superior team that was exerting a lot of energy to try to stay in a game with a squad of only 12 players...
Blugolds forced a lot of one-and-dones on the defensive end... Neither team shot well from the 3-point land; they ugly stats of the night were UWEC was 3-16, for 18.8%, while Superior was 2-18, for 11.1 %.
Leading scorers, and only ones in double figures for either team, were Rachel Mueggenborg with 11, and Heidi Arciszewski with 10. Rebounds were scattered all across the board for both teams...
Both teams were able to get the bench players some PT, too. Golds are 10-3 and 4-0, while Superior falls to 3-9 and 0-4...
Other highlights:
Four of five youngsters made two regulation free throws in 20 seconds to collect $100 from the local newspaper. The other one got $50... Thems some shooting, considering how many adults I've seen over the years during halftime contests who don't even draw iron...
JJ Jumper was in the house. He's the NCAA mascot, and puts on a silly show... Hats off to the UWEC dance team, too, which performed at half time... Some of the members must have given up a few days in their semester break to be on hand for the game tonight...
Whitewater comes to town on Saturday... Should be a good one from Zorn...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 10:53:10 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 10:53:10 PM
I have to say that the EC-Superior women's game sounded ugly all around. With Superior unable to score ten points in the first 30 minutes of the game, Eau Claire should have won that game by 90. Did Superior suck EC into disorganization, too? Maybe that's the game plan. How did Coach E take it? I'll bet she was tearing her hair out.
Ha, ha. Game plan. :D That's a good one.
This is where Superior was six years ago. I thought they were progressing last year; I guess Katie Moench (spelling approximate) was more of a factor than I thought. It will be interesting to see how Mulhern addresses this problem. First, he's going to have to do some serious recruiting. I know he doesn't like his players to drink or swear, but maybe he's going to have to get at least one animal on the team. Second, he's going to have to design an offense that this team can play. Third, he probably has to demand some leadership from his upper-classwomen. The game I sat through, I saw pouting and whining. That ain't gonna win games. Moench had an amazing ability to remain unprovoked; could be the power of prayer, but I suspect there was more to it.
Ha, ha. Game plan. :D That's a good one.
This is where Superior was six years ago. I thought they were progressing last year; I guess Katie Moench (spelling approximate) was more of a factor than I thought. It will be interesting to see how Mulhern addresses this problem. First, he's going to have to do some serious recruiting. I know he doesn't like his players to drink or swear, but maybe he's going to have to get at least one animal on the team. Second, he's going to have to design an offense that this team can play. Third, he probably has to demand some leadership from his upper-classwomen. The game I sat through, I saw pouting and whining. That ain't gonna win games. Moench had an amazing ability to remain unprovoked; could be the power of prayer, but I suspect there was more to it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 09, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Post by: buf on January 09, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2008, 10:53:10 PM
I have to say that the EC-Superior women's game sounded ugly all around. With Superior unable to score ten points in the first 30 minutes of the game, Eau Claire should have won that game by 90. Did Superior suck EC into disorganization, too? Maybe that's the game plan. How did Coach E take it? I'll bet she was tearing her hair out.
EC played well early on, but a bit mentally out of it after that. I think it was a combination of them knowing that they would win rather easily and perhaps thinking ahead to Saturday's showdown with UWW. Whatever it was, their play will have to improve by Saturday if they want a chance at beating UWW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 01:52:19 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 01:52:19 AM
Quote from: The Champ on January 05, 2008, 09:06:20 AMQuote from: hoops49 on January 02, 2008, 11:53:44 PMI'm getting 21 from their roster that is on their website.
So you researched Stout enough to know that they had 21 players come out for the team at the start of the season. Great!
But did you take the time to research the last game? Apparently not. Maybe you should do better investigative work before posting here.
Stout's starters total playing time in that last game:
Julia Hirssig - 15 minutes
Lindsey Geissler - 17 minutes
Joanna Bird - 18 minutes
Charlee Edwards - 12 minutes
Dani Boese - 11 minutes
In the second half of the game, the starters never even broke a sweat with the following playing times:
Julia Hirssig - 3 minutes
Lindsey Geissler - 5 minutes
Joanna Bird - 5 minutes
Charlee Edwards - 3 minutes
Dani Boese - 3 minutes
Coach T took Stout's normal full court press off midway through the first half. Every player on the team had at LEAST 7 minutes of playing time. A lot of the "sub and run" (your words) was done with third or fourth stringers subbing for second or third stringers
Stout opened the season with an extremely difficult non-conference schedule - playing the Badgers (exhibition), and DII teams from Mankato, St. Cloud and Bemidji.
As already noted, Stout went down to Florida to play in a tournament. The only request Coach T made of the scheduler is that they not play UW LaCrosse - as UWL is a conference school. One should understand how tournament scheduling works, before casting aspersions that it was Stout's intention to get matched up against a pair of "cupcakes" in a holiday tournament in Florida.QuoteI don't know how you can say the size of roster doesn't matter. It sure does. Depth....fresh players. That is why Stout is so successful.
How do you explain Stout's loss to UWEC (oh how it pains me to say that...) in the conference opener then? EC has fewer players, so they must have lost, right???
No, EC was a better team (that day anyway).
Stout and Coach T have been successful because of a lot of hard work and dedication from the players and the coaching staff. It takes that in order to make all those players function cohesively as a team.
Basketball is a team game - and the players must play together as a unit to obtain their success.
If your thoughts and theories have only been strengthened in this recent discussion, may I suggest that it is only because of hardening of the arteries in your brain... ;)
Actually I had researched more than what you thought I did. EVERY SINGLE PLAYER played in that last tournament game. Nobody played less than 7 minutes which is why I STILL stand by Stout's usual "lets run em till they drop on their a@#%s" style of play. Sub in..sub out...sub in...sub out... Everybody that has watched Stout over the years knows this.
I never said it was Stout's intention to get paired up with easy teams. Go back and reread my post. I said, "it's too bad Stout had no competition". Don't put words into my mouth.
The loss to EC? They both played with 12 players. It was a good matchup and the more talented team won.
Hardening of arteries in my brain?? Nope, don't think so. I just dare to call it like I see it. You don't have to like what I say or agree with it. There will be some disagreements on these boards from time to time.
Seems like I hit a nerve...;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 10, 2008, 08:34:25 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 10, 2008, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 01:52:19 AMThe loss to EC? They both played with 12 players. It was a good matchup and the more talented team won.
I just dare to call it like I see it. You don't have to like what I say or agree with it. There will be some disagreements on these boards from time to time.
Seems like I hit a nerve...;)
There goes your "Sub in..sub out...sub in...sub out..." theory. Both teams played 12 players. It makes it easy when you prove me right with your own words...
We can dispute whether EC is the more talented team later, but they outplayed us that night for sure.
You called what you didn't see... That is the problem with your position. I didn't like what you said and I didn't agree with it because you are wrong. Sure there will be some disagreements on this board, but you are the only one (so far, anyway) maintaining your current erroneous position.
Seems like we (myself and some others) hit a nerve...;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 10, 2008, 09:19:24 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 10, 2008, 09:19:24 AM
Quotetheir play will have to improve by Saturday if they want a chance at beating UWW.
It's not unusual for talented teams to play up or down to the level of competition. I used to see it in high school games--which, of course, is far different in terms of the level of play--where a weak team exudes so much weakness it gets in the way of the better team playing its game.
Those games are the ones where you cringe every time there's contact, because it's usually caused by someone who's out of control. That's when people get hurt.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
WHITEWATER never trailed but LaCrosse kept the score close early and trailed 18-14 at the 10 minute mark. However WHITEWATER turned it up a notch or two at that point, assumed a double digit lead and though LaX cut it to 8 and 9 points led 41-28 at the half. The second half was all WHITEWATER as they quickly pushed the lead to 20+ points and saw it grow to as many as 35 before finishing at 92-62.
Lyndsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS with 19 points and reached the 1,000 point career plateau finishing with 1001 points. Kelsey Henrickson went 6-6 from the floor for 16 points. Heidi Sontag scored 13 points, Tiffany Morton 12 and Rachael Woolever 11 to round out five players in double figures. Morton led the team in rebounding with 7 boards.
WHITEWATER'S pressure defense was again a significant factor as LaX turned the ball over 25 times including 13 steals.
The win keeps the WARHAWKS team record win streak intact as they improve to 14-0, 5-0 and the stage is set for the showdown with Eau Claire this weekend. It was the sixth time this season in which they have scored 90 or more points.
Champ, you'll never understand but that's ok. :D
Lyndsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS with 19 points and reached the 1,000 point career plateau finishing with 1001 points. Kelsey Henrickson went 6-6 from the floor for 16 points. Heidi Sontag scored 13 points, Tiffany Morton 12 and Rachael Woolever 11 to round out five players in double figures. Morton led the team in rebounding with 7 boards.
WHITEWATER'S pressure defense was again a significant factor as LaX turned the ball over 25 times including 13 steals.
The win keeps the WARHAWKS team record win streak intact as they improve to 14-0, 5-0 and the stage is set for the showdown with Eau Claire this weekend. It was the sixth time this season in which they have scored 90 or more points.
Champ, you'll never understand but that's ok. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 12:29:55 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 10, 2008, 08:34:25 AMQuote from: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 01:52:19 AMThe loss to EC? They both played with 12 players. It was a good matchup and the more talented team won.
I just dare to call it like I see it. You don't have to like what I say or agree with it. There will be some disagreements on these boards from time to time.
Seems like I hit a nerve...;)
There goes your "Sub in..sub out...sub in...sub out..." theory. Both teams played 12 players. It makes it easy when you prove me right with your own words...
We can dispute whether EC is the more talented team later, but they outplayed us that night for sure.
You called what you didn't see... That is the problem with your position. I didn't like what you said and I didn't agree with it because you are wrong. Sure there will be some disagreements on this board, but you are the only one (so far, anyway) maintaining your current erroneous position.
Seems like we (myself and some others) hit a nerve...;)
Seeing as I started the discussion and got feedback from 3 different posters I think it's fair to say I hit a nerve. ;) ;)
That's the trouble with message boards in general. Everyone thinks they are right and that's the way it is. Period. Go ahead and have the last word Champ....I'm sure you will...;)
Good luck to all teams for the rest of the season. Should be a good finish.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 10, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 10, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
Was last night's EC vs Super game a record last night on two things?
1) Lowest score in WIAC history for a regular season game by a team. (Not WSUS, or whatever it was called before the WIAC)
2) Lowest Combined Score in WIAC history (They only scored 75 points combined. Ouch)
1) Lowest score in WIAC history for a regular season game by a team. (Not WSUS, or whatever it was called before the WIAC)
2) Lowest Combined Score in WIAC history (They only scored 75 points combined. Ouch)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 10, 2008, 02:56:24 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 10, 2008, 02:56:24 PM
Who cares that much about this silly game of basketball, anyway? On a more important matter, BW, has your coach had her baby yet?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 03:47:14 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 03:47:14 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 10, 2008, 02:56:24 PM
Who cares that much about this silly game of basketball, anyway? On a more important matter, BW, has your coach had her baby yet?
No, not yet. But that's ok. I misunderstood something that I'd overheard. The baby isn't due until late February.
Hoops, you are a wise man. With the exception of Mrs Champ no one gets the last word with Champ. I repeat, no one. :D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 03:57:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on January 10, 2008, 12:40:09 PM
Was last night's EC vs Super game a record last night on two things?
1) Lowest score in WIAC history for a regular season game by a team. (Not WSUS, or whatever it was called before the WIAC)
2) Lowest Combined Score in WIAC history (They only scored 75 points combined. Ouch)
It was the WSUC (Wisconsin State University Conference). The 1969-70 WARHAWKS own the conference record for the best scoring defense having allowed an average of fewer than 25 points/game.
The 1997-98 Oshkosh women have the best scoring defense in the WIAC era with less than 48 points/game allowed.
I haven't been able to figure out a game though. For some reason the WIAC keeps records for the best of, most of and highest but none for the worst of, least of or lowest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2008, 03:59:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2008, 03:59:58 PM
It was actually the WWIAC. The WSUC was only for the men's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 04:15:29 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 10, 2008, 03:59:58 PM
It was actually the WWIAC. The WSUC was only for the men's.
Thanks, Bill. I tend to forget that there were two seperate conferences in those days.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 10, 2008, 05:45:28 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 10, 2008, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 09, 2008, 10:34:15 PMI was at the EC game last night and I would not say that Ec press in the game all they did was play full court one on one man press and set not traps
Yep... Final was UWEC 54-21...
Game was basically over from right after the get go, as the 'Golds jumped to a 12-0 lead, and led at half 33-9... Used the press a lot in the first half of the first half, too. Didn't create a lot of turnovers off it, but may have helped wear down a Superior team that was exerting a lot of energy to try to stay in a game with a squad of only 12 players...
Blugolds forced a lot of one-and-dones on the defensive end... Neither team shot well from the 3-point land; they ugly stats of the night were UWEC was 3-16, for 18.8%, while Superior was 2-18, for 11.1 %.
Leading scorers, and only ones in double figures for either team, were Rachel Mueggenborg with 11, and Heidi Arciszewski with 10. Rebounds were scattered all across the board for both teams...
Both teams were able to get the bench players some PT, too. Golds are 10-3 and 4-0, while Superior falls to 3-9 and 0-4...
Other highlights:
Four of five youngsters made two regulation free throws in 20 seconds to collect $100 from the local newspaper. The other one got $50... Thems some shooting, considering how many adults I've seen over the years during halftime contests who don't even draw iron...
JJ Jumper was in the house. He's the NCAA mascot, and puts on a silly show... Hats off to the UWEC dance team, too, which performed at half time... Some of the members must have given up a few days in their semester break to be on hand for the game tonight...
Whitewater comes to town on Saturday... Should be a good one from Zorn...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 10, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 10, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 10:49:20 AMChamp, you'll never understand but that's ok. :D
I understand that in Wisconsin, some people think that the Packers are more important than God.
I just don't think that a rational person would hold them in that kind of esteem.
Let's be real - these are grown men being paid outrageous sums of money to play a game. I enjoy the game alot, but am able to keep things in perspective.
I'll be driving two hours to watch the Stout women play BB tomorrow. I'll be able to watch the Packer game on my HD DVR when I get home. That works for me...;)
And BW (or is it BD...;) ) - hoops49 had his say and I can just leave him have the last word. We've all read his posts and have digested them for what they are worth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 11:15:15 PM
Post by: hoops49 on January 10, 2008, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
WHITEWATER never trailed but LaCrosse kept the score close early and trailed 18-14 at the 10 minute mark. However WHITEWATER turned it up a notch or two at that point, assumed a double digit lead and though LaX cut it to 8 and 9 points led 41-28 at the half. The second half was all WHITEWATER as they quickly pushed the lead to 20+ points and saw it grow to as many as 35 before finishing at 92-62.
Lyndsey Buechner led the WARHAWKS with 19 points and reached the 1,000 point career plateau finishing with 1001 points. Kelsey Henrickson went 6-6 from the floor for 16 points. Heidi Sontag scored 13 points, Tiffany Morton 12 and Rachael Woolever 11 to round out five players in double figures. Morton led the team in rebounding with 7 boards.
WHITEWATER'S pressure defense was again a significant factor as LaX turned the ball over 25 times including 13 steals.
The win keeps the WARHAWKS team record win streak intact as they improve to 14-0, 5-0 and the stage is set for the showdown with Eau Claire this weekend. It was the sixth time this season in which they have scored 90 or more points.
Champ, you'll never understand but that's ok. :D
Badgerw- your team has become quite the offensive threat; going to be hard to beat a team with 5 girls scoring in double digits. They are certainly peaking at the right time of the season and have caught alot of us off guard, that's for sure.
Should be a good game on Saturday. I'll be there, but I sure hate to miss the Packers. There's not much point to watching a taped game once you know the outcome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2008, 09:57:43 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2008, 09:57:43 AM
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Quote from: The Champ on January 10, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
And BW (or is it BD...;) ) - hoops49 had his say and I can just leave him have the last word. We've all read his posts and have digested them for what they are worth.
Ok, I won't count this as it then. :D
hoops, we've been playing very well thus far but there's a long way to go yet and plenty can happen. You can't take anything for granted. Winning in Zorn is the next challenge. EC is going to be better than the teams we've beaten recently. Hopefully we continue to play as we have. If we do our opponent will have their hands full. It's tough to beat a team that has both a strong inside and outside game. It's just difficult to defend against both.
Regardless it should be a fun game to watch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 12, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
Post by: buf on January 12, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
UWEC gives UWW its first lost of the season, 63-60. EC controlled the first half and played well, leading 29-19 at the half. About half way through the 2nd half, UWW started creating turnovers and EC went cold from the field. EC was stuck on 39 for quite a while and UWW took advantage by going on a big run to take the lead. UWW's lead got as big as 7pts. At this point it looked like UWW's press had worn down the Golds. However, it was not to be as EC fought back to take the lead. UWW had to start fouling, but EC missed 4 straight FTs. Down one with 6 seconds left, Hendrickson slipped and the ball rolled out of bounds. Fremstad iced the victory with 2 FTs.
Very well played game. I am impressed with this season's UWW squad. They got a good inside-outside game and can really get after it on the press. EC did a good job defensively on UWW's posts. It was a good win for EC! Now they have to keep it up.
Very well played game. I am impressed with this season's UWW squad. They got a good inside-outside game and can really get after it on the press. EC did a good job defensively on UWW's posts. It was a good win for EC! Now they have to keep it up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 12, 2008, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: buf on January 12, 2008, 09:18:05 PM
In other action:
UWO over Sup
Point blows out UWP
Stout over UWL by 1 on a Hirrsig layup at the buzzer. Stout trailed 29-4 with 6min left in the 1st half. They then take a 5pt lead with 1min left. UWL retakes the lead, setting up the Hirssig shot.
UWO over Sup
Point blows out UWP
Stout over UWL by 1 on a Hirrsig layup at the buzzer. Stout trailed 29-4 with 6min left in the 1st half. They then take a 5pt lead with 1min left. UWL retakes the lead, setting up the Hirssig shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Buf
Stout was cold as ice for the first 14 minutes of the game, but it was 29 - 6 with 6:05 left to go in the first half, not 29 - 4.... ;)
It was really strange to watch. LaCrosse couldn't miss, and Stout couldn't seem to find the basket. Then with less than 6 minutes to go in the first half, roles seem to reverse and the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils that I know got back on the floor and went on a 19 - 3 run to put the game back in reach at the half.
It took Stout 7 minutes into the first half to finally take the lead for the first time in the game. They slowly and methodically built the lead up to as much as 8 points, and even with under a minute to play looked like they had everything under control with a 5 point lead.
Missed FT's on our part and three point plays on their part (due to shooters being fouled in the act of shooting) netted UWL a one point lead with about 10 seconds on the clock.
We inbounded, but they trapped our guard as she was bringing the ball down court. Coach T called a TO with 3.2 seconds left.
Joanna Bird inbounded the ball to Lindsey Geissler, who drove hard to the basket. As she approached for the layup, the defenders under the basket took a step away from Julia Hirssig. With moments left on the clock, Geissler feeds the ball to Hirssig who goes up and sinks the bunny shot with no time remaining!!!
Much more excitement than I needed... ;D
UWL played very hard - and you could see the pain and frustration in their faces at the buzzer. Hats off the the Lady Eagles for a great effort!
Stout was cold as ice for the first 14 minutes of the game, but it was 29 - 6 with 6:05 left to go in the first half, not 29 - 4.... ;)
It was really strange to watch. LaCrosse couldn't miss, and Stout couldn't seem to find the basket. Then with less than 6 minutes to go in the first half, roles seem to reverse and the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils that I know got back on the floor and went on a 19 - 3 run to put the game back in reach at the half.
It took Stout 7 minutes into the first half to finally take the lead for the first time in the game. They slowly and methodically built the lead up to as much as 8 points, and even with under a minute to play looked like they had everything under control with a 5 point lead.
Missed FT's on our part and three point plays on their part (due to shooters being fouled in the act of shooting) netted UWL a one point lead with about 10 seconds on the clock.
We inbounded, but they trapped our guard as she was bringing the ball down court. Coach T called a TO with 3.2 seconds left.
Joanna Bird inbounded the ball to Lindsey Geissler, who drove hard to the basket. As she approached for the layup, the defenders under the basket took a step away from Julia Hirssig. With moments left on the clock, Geissler feeds the ball to Hirssig who goes up and sinks the bunny shot with no time remaining!!!
Much more excitement than I needed... ;D
UWL played very hard - and you could see the pain and frustration in their faces at the buzzer. Hats off the the Lady Eagles for a great effort!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2008, 07:04:52 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2008, 07:04:52 PM
Thoughts on the Blugold/Whitewater game -
As the senior leader, Michelle Burns willed the 'Golds to the win; she scored all of her 13 points in the second half... Missy Fremstad hit two clutch shots down the stretch, too - a two-pointer to tie it at 55, and a 3 to put the 'Golds up 58-57...
Nice balance overall for UWEC in stats: Heather Witt chipped in 9 points and led the team with 8 rebounds. Amanda Zenner had 9 points as well, with 7 boards. But two key stats - the leading scorer, Heidi Arciszewski, was held to but two points... and,
this leads to the player of the game, in my opinion - UWEC's Hannah Mesick, a freshman, who led the team in scoring with 16... It seemed as if they were determined to get her involved in the post, and she responded big time, especially early in the game, as UWEC jumped to a 29-19 lead at half... Her scoring helped take a load off the void created by the near shutout pitched against Arciszewski, who did pull down 7 boards...
Kelsey Hendrickson and Lindsey Buechner each had 11 for the 'Hawks; Dana Thompson had 7 boards...
Tidbit of the day - Whitewater has not won at Zorn since Feb. 21, 1987... Ugly stat -Golds had 23 turnovers, vs. just 11 for Whitewater... Congrats and thanks of the day to the man behind the mic for UWEC sports, who is now celebrating 33 years of giving us UWEC fans "Gold wraps," and reminding us of the many days when it's good to be a Blugold...
Golds move to 11-3, and 5-0 in conference. Warhawks are now 14-1 and 5-1... But still a long ways to go in the race. I just get the feeling that the winner of the conference is not going to have one loss, or less, though... ;)
As the senior leader, Michelle Burns willed the 'Golds to the win; she scored all of her 13 points in the second half... Missy Fremstad hit two clutch shots down the stretch, too - a two-pointer to tie it at 55, and a 3 to put the 'Golds up 58-57...
Nice balance overall for UWEC in stats: Heather Witt chipped in 9 points and led the team with 8 rebounds. Amanda Zenner had 9 points as well, with 7 boards. But two key stats - the leading scorer, Heidi Arciszewski, was held to but two points... and,
this leads to the player of the game, in my opinion - UWEC's Hannah Mesick, a freshman, who led the team in scoring with 16... It seemed as if they were determined to get her involved in the post, and she responded big time, especially early in the game, as UWEC jumped to a 29-19 lead at half... Her scoring helped take a load off the void created by the near shutout pitched against Arciszewski, who did pull down 7 boards...
Kelsey Hendrickson and Lindsey Buechner each had 11 for the 'Hawks; Dana Thompson had 7 boards...
Tidbit of the day - Whitewater has not won at Zorn since Feb. 21, 1987... Ugly stat -Golds had 23 turnovers, vs. just 11 for Whitewater... Congrats and thanks of the day to the man behind the mic for UWEC sports, who is now celebrating 33 years of giving us UWEC fans "Gold wraps," and reminding us of the many days when it's good to be a Blugold...
Golds move to 11-3, and 5-0 in conference. Warhawks are now 14-1 and 5-1... But still a long ways to go in the race. I just get the feeling that the winner of the conference is not going to have one loss, or less, though... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2008, 07:16:12 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 13, 2008, 07:16:12 PM
For those keeping score at home -
Here's a breakdown of attendance for yesterday's games:
UWSP men had 642 fans, vs. 1344 average attendance before that game; women had 224 vs. 429 average... (played Platteville)
UW Stout men drew 310, vs. 606, while the women, who averaged 535 prior to the start, had 435 fans... (Played La Crosse)
Superior drew 358 fans for the men's game, vs. a 130 average; the women had 124, compared to 52... (Played Oshkosh)
UWEC men drew 473, vs. 467 average... while the women, averaging 560 prior to tipoff, drew 473 as well... (Played Whitewater)
Draw your own conclusions, but methinks the Packer playoff game did have a negative impact on a few teams' coffers yesterday...
Here's a breakdown of attendance for yesterday's games:
UWSP men had 642 fans, vs. 1344 average attendance before that game; women had 224 vs. 429 average... (played Platteville)
UW Stout men drew 310, vs. 606, while the women, who averaged 535 prior to the start, had 435 fans... (Played La Crosse)
Superior drew 358 fans for the men's game, vs. a 130 average; the women had 124, compared to 52... (Played Oshkosh)
UWEC men drew 473, vs. 467 average... while the women, averaging 560 prior to tipoff, drew 473 as well... (Played Whitewater)
Draw your own conclusions, but methinks the Packer playoff game did have a negative impact on a few teams' coffers yesterday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
Congrats to EC. Looks like our offensive machine blew a gasket in the first half.
Have to put it behind us and rebound with a win over Stout this Saturday.
You coming down, Champ? Unfortunately I'm going to have to miss it, damned bowling Saturdays. I hate them but Mrs BD thinks they're fun. grrrrrr.........
Have to put it behind us and rebound with a win over Stout this Saturday.
You coming down, Champ? Unfortunately I'm going to have to miss it, damned bowling Saturdays. I hate them but Mrs BD thinks they're fun. grrrrrr.........
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2008, 06:30:09 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2008, 06:30:09 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2008, 11:53:49 AMYou coming down, Champ?
I'd like tocome down and see the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils steal a win from your team, but I'll be flying out to CA Thursday after work for a 4 day weekend in the wine country out there... Mrs. Champ is finishing up a 10 day project out there, so our only real cost for the trip is what we eat and drink... ;D
Frequent flyer miles, hotel loyalty rewards, etc. can be a wonderful thing!!!
Any chance of you coming up to Menomonie for the rematch?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2008, 09:43:32 PM
Post by: buf on January 14, 2008, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 13, 2008, 07:16:12 PM
For those keeping score at home -
UWEC men drew 473, vs. 467 average... while the women, averaging 560 prior to tipoff, drew 473 as well... (Played Whitewater)
EC must post the same attendance for men and women for the doubleheaders. There were way more fans for the women's game than the men's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2008, 08:08:42 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2008, 08:08:42 AM
WW drops from #2 to #4 in the DIII poll. Point moves up one notch to #10. UWEC remains just outside the top 25.
The Lady Devils get to play two teams in the top 10 in the country this week... :o
The Lady Devils get to play two teams in the top 10 in the country this week... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2008, 09:31:41 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2008, 09:31:41 AM
The WARHAWKS have gained a future recruit. But this recruit will have to play for Pat Miller. The WARHAWK WORLD welcomes Matthew Gary Carollo born yesterday. At 8 lbs 13 oz and 20.5" Matthew's position is undetermined.
Congrats to Joe, Coach Keri.
Congrats to Joe, Coach Keri.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 16, 2008, 09:55:16 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 16, 2008, 09:55:16 AM
That's great news that Keri and Joe's new baby boy has arrived. But the rumor up here is that he's going to attend Stout... ;D
Joe - Keri... If you're reading this - Congratulations from the Champ's!!!
Joe - Keri... If you're reading this - Congratulations from the Champ's!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 16, 2008, 10:34:01 PM
Post by: buf on January 16, 2008, 10:34:01 PM
UWEC over UWO, 62-54
Point over Stout, 85-68
UWL over UWP, 78-59
Point over Stout, 85-68
UWL over UWP, 78-59
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2008, 10:36:38 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2008, 10:36:38 PM
Superior over River Falls
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 16, 2008, 10:52:21 PM
Post by: buf on January 16, 2008, 10:52:21 PM
Good win for Superior. I really thought that they would not win a conference game this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2008, 11:00:25 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2008, 11:00:25 PM
QuoteGood win for Superior. I really thought that they would not win a conference game this season.
You weren't alone. I think I could see where the description of Superior women's play as "disorganized" might come from: Mulhern is running up and down in front of the bench bellowing like a walrus throughout the game. Like these women don't have enough to concentrate on and he's screaming at them from tip-off to buzzer. I was sort of hoping he'd get tossed; women might have been able to play basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2008, 02:59:50 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2008, 02:59:50 PM
Few thoughts from the EC/UWO game.
Solid gameplan from the start for UWO. SLow the tempo down, pick the good shots, and minimize turnovers. For the first half, they did what the needed to do. Unfortunately, they couldn't shoot 48% for the whole game, and the turnovers mounted in the second half. Burns was a monster the whole game. Played smart down in the post when it was obvious that 3 seconds would not be called, and just tortured UWO inside. EC is a solid team, but UWO competed the entire 40 minutes for such a young roster.
On a side note, mad props to the EC fan (with his binoculars in hand) who sought me out after the game for "running the clock wrong", even though I just do the PA. According to him, the clock should start immediately after a made FT, not when it rolls all the way to half court, even though no one touched it. Added a few needless obscenities in there, just to show how smart he was. EC fans, I know not all of you are like that (though every call was "terrible" according to most Blugolders in the stands. Don't the refs know that EC never does anything wrong?), but this guy was your delegate for the night.
Any bets on who will be the first to knock off EC?
Solid gameplan from the start for UWO. SLow the tempo down, pick the good shots, and minimize turnovers. For the first half, they did what the needed to do. Unfortunately, they couldn't shoot 48% for the whole game, and the turnovers mounted in the second half. Burns was a monster the whole game. Played smart down in the post when it was obvious that 3 seconds would not be called, and just tortured UWO inside. EC is a solid team, but UWO competed the entire 40 minutes for such a young roster.
On a side note, mad props to the EC fan (with his binoculars in hand) who sought me out after the game for "running the clock wrong", even though I just do the PA. According to him, the clock should start immediately after a made FT, not when it rolls all the way to half court, even though no one touched it. Added a few needless obscenities in there, just to show how smart he was. EC fans, I know not all of you are like that (though every call was "terrible" according to most Blugolders in the stands. Don't the refs know that EC never does anything wrong?), but this guy was your delegate for the night.
Any bets on who will be the first to knock off EC?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2008, 03:38:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2008, 03:38:40 PM
After a made FT? Why would he think it wouldn't start when it's inbounded. That's crazy talk.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 17, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
Post by: buf on January 17, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: voft on January 17, 2008, 02:59:50 PM
On a side note, mad props to the EC fan (with his binoculars in hand) who sought me out after the game for "running the clock wrong", even though I just do the PA. According to him, the clock should start immediately after a made FT, not when it rolls all the way to half court, even though no one touched it. Added a few needless obscenities in there, just to show how smart he was. EC fans, I know not all of you are like that (though every call was "terrible" according to most Blugolders in the stands. Don't the refs know that EC never does anything wrong?), but this guy was your delegate for the night.
Any bets on who will be the first to knock off EC?
Hey that was me! Don't you know that your supposed to start the clock right after the made FT? ;D :D No, it wasn't me, but I will be looking during EC games for a person with binoculars. I am guessing it would be someone's parent. I wouldn't think that too many ordinary fans would travel all the way to Oshkosh for a weekday game.
Quote from: voft on January 17, 2008, 02:59:50 PM
Any bets on who will be the first to knock off EC?
Point comes to Zorn next Wednesday. That should be a close game.
EC goes to WW on Feb 2
EC goes to Point on Feb 13
Probably one of these three games. My guess would be the Feb 2nd game. That one will be really tough for the Golds to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
Why would someone need binoculars to watch a basketball game in EC? Have they moved the games to Carson Park?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 18, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 18, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Should be an interesting game in EC Saturday. I'd love to be at this one! It's always tough to win at Zorn, everyone knows that but I think Point's depth gives them the advantage. It's going to be exciting to see how that SP/WW matchup evolves in Feb. It'd be nice to see the WIAC get 2 or maybe 3 representatives in the tourny this year - but we all know how that goes!
Voice, perhaps your physco fan is that kid who used to film the games at Zorn. They guy who plays ref, coach and mad scientist from the second tier? I wouldn't mess with that guy!
Voice, perhaps your physco fan is that kid who used to film the games at Zorn. They guy who plays ref, coach and mad scientist from the second tier? I wouldn't mess with that guy!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2008, 12:16:12 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2008, 12:16:12 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on January 18, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Voice, perhaps your physco fan is that kid who used to film the games at Zorn. They guy who plays ref, coach and mad scientist from the second tier? I wouldn't mess with that guy!
I totally remember that kid. He used to pace back and forth like a caged lion, screaming at everyone on the court. I guarantee EC watched those game tapes WITHOUT the sound.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 18, 2008, 02:30:47 PM
Post by: buf on January 18, 2008, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
Why would someone need binoculars to watch a basketball game in EC? Have they moved the games to Carson Park?
Why would anyone need binoculars in any arena in this conference?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 18, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
Post by: buf on January 18, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 18, 2008, 12:16:12 PMQuote from: shootfromthearc on January 18, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Voice, perhaps your physco fan is that kid who used to film the games at Zorn. They guy who plays ref, coach and mad scientist from the second tier? I wouldn't mess with that guy!
I totally remember that kid. He used to pace back and forth like a caged lion, screaming at everyone on the court. I guarantee EC watched those game tapes WITHOUT the sound.
Your descriptions are right on. It was hilarious watching him during games, especially when a questionable call was made. I think he just filmed for the men's team though
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 18, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: buf on January 18, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on January 18, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Should be an interesting game in EC Saturday. I'd love to be at this one! It's always tough to win at Zorn, everyone knows that but I think Point's depth gives them the advantage. It's going to be exciting to see how that SP/WW matchup evolves in Feb. It'd be nice to see the WIAC get 2 or maybe 3 representatives in the tourny this year - but we all know how that goes!
Actually, the Point game is on Wednesday. EC plays RF this Saturday.
I think the WIAC will have an excellent chance of getting 2 teams in this year. Both Point and WW have only 1 regional loss a piece at this time. Barring a collapse by these teams, they are looking really good for the national tourny at this time. If EC finishes well, they could also be in. EC has 2 regional losses that were suffered in non-conference games. IF they only lose 2 more games in the regular season, that would leave them with 4 regional losses. If they happen to lose in the confernence tourny, they would be at 5 regional losses. I would think that in most seasons, this would get them in (for Pool C). There are just so many external factors that influence this however. Actually, Stout also has 2 regional losses but didn't have many non-conference games against regional opponents (a lot of D2 games) so they are hard to judge at this time.
One thing that should help the WIAC is the new formula for QOWI. If I understand it correctly, this new formula includes the regional records of your opponents' opponents. I believe that this formula will be used for Pool C selection this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 19, 2008, 04:11:33 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 19, 2008, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on January 18, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Should be an interesting game in EC Saturday. I'd love to be at this one! It's always tough to win at Zorn, everyone knows that but I think Point's depth gives them the advantage. It's going to be exciting to see how that SP/WW matchup evolves in Feb. It'd be nice to see the WIAC get 2 or maybe 3 representatives in the tourny this year - but we all know how that goes!
Voice, perhaps your physco fan is that kid who used to film the games at Zorn. They guy who plays ref, coach and mad scientist from the second tier? I wouldn't mess with that guy!
Actually, this guy was about 55-60, in my best guess. I though he was gonna whack me with those binocs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 19, 2008, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: buf on January 19, 2008, 05:54:11 PM
No close games today.
Point over Superior
EC over RF
UWL over UWO
WW over Stout
A lot of good 3-point shooting by some teams:
EC 10-22
RF 8-20
WW 14-23
UWL 4-7
Point over Superior
EC over RF
UWL over UWO
WW over Stout
A lot of good 3-point shooting by some teams:
EC 10-22
RF 8-20
WW 14-23
UWL 4-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 19, 2008, 06:10:42 PM
Post by: buf on January 19, 2008, 06:10:42 PM
EC picks up a nice road win over RF. Good 3-point shooting and FTs (27-30) lead the rout. EC looked good on offense except for the close in shots. After a cold start, RF picked it up on the offensive end. Parr had a hot hand from the outside, including a few shots that were well beyond the arc.
EC had a well balanced attack with 5 players in double figures. Congrats to Burns who went over the 1000pt mark. Today, she had 18pts and 11rebs, including 12-13 from the line. Witt also had a solid game both shooting and leading the team.
EC already has 5 road conference games finished, all wins. However, still have to go to Point and UWW. Anyhow, a lot of games at Zorn to come.
Anyone know whats up with Zenner? She hasn't played the last couple of games.
EC had a well balanced attack with 5 players in double figures. Congrats to Burns who went over the 1000pt mark. Today, she had 18pts and 11rebs, including 12-13 from the line. Witt also had a solid game both shooting and leading the team.
EC already has 5 road conference games finished, all wins. However, still have to go to Point and UWW. Anyhow, a lot of games at Zorn to come.
Anyone know whats up with Zenner? She hasn't played the last couple of games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on January 19, 2008, 11:15:22 PM
Post by: voice on January 19, 2008, 11:15:22 PM
Buf...
WW was 11 for 16 from 3-point land. The 11 made 3's ties a school record. The 14 of 23 froienm the free throw line. Great bounce back win for the Hawks in their first game out after losing to EC.
WW was 11 for 16 from 3-point land. The 11 made 3's ties a school record. The 14 of 23 froienm the free throw line. Great bounce back win for the Hawks in their first game out after losing to EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 19, 2008, 11:31:54 PM
Post by: buf on January 19, 2008, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: voice on January 19, 2008, 11:15:22 PM
Buf...
WW was 11 for 16 from 3-point land. The 11 made 3's ties a school record. The 14 of 23 froienm the free throw line. Great bounce back win for the Hawks in their first game out after losing to EC.
Oops, thanks for correcting me. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 20, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 20, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
Buf- Apparently Z has a minor injury since she warms up with the team.
That binocs thing is crazy. I've never seen anyone with binocs at any of the games, but then I was watching the game. :D I can't imagine why anyone would bring them to a basketball game. Football for sure. Now all the golds fans will be looking for this guy. :D
Go bluegolds!
Just had an afterthought. Does anyone know for sure it was an EC fan and not somebody from Oshkosh?
That binocs thing is crazy. I've never seen anyone with binocs at any of the games, but then I was watching the game. :D I can't imagine why anyone would bring them to a basketball game. Football for sure. Now all the golds fans will be looking for this guy. :D
Go bluegolds!
Just had an afterthought. Does anyone know for sure it was an EC fan and not somebody from Oshkosh?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on January 20, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: hoops49 on January 20, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
GO PACK GO!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
Oshkosh's Super Fan doesn't carry binoculars. He's a hoot to watch though. :D
The WARHAWKS like to play Stout style, 94 feet, up and down the floor, substitute liberally. It's no secret that Coach Carollo worked with Coach Thomas and his influence is obvious when you watch us play. But what was interesting in yesterday's decisive second half was that it was scraping it, slowing things down and turning the game into more of a half court contest that turned the tide. Stout had trouble matching up with Morton, Buechner and Thompson.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 21 points (4/5 3pts), had 5 assists to one turnover, a rebound and 2 steals. Hendrickson has been a huge addition to the team this year. If the second half of the season goes like the first she's a legit POY candidate. I'd just like to thank Lisa Stone for believing Rae Lin D'Ale is a better player. ;)
The WARHAWKS like to play Stout style, 94 feet, up and down the floor, substitute liberally. It's no secret that Coach Carollo worked with Coach Thomas and his influence is obvious when you watch us play. But what was interesting in yesterday's decisive second half was that it was scraping it, slowing things down and turning the game into more of a half court contest that turned the tide. Stout had trouble matching up with Morton, Buechner and Thompson.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 21 points (4/5 3pts), had 5 assists to one turnover, a rebound and 2 steals. Hendrickson has been a huge addition to the team this year. If the second half of the season goes like the first she's a legit POY candidate. I'd just like to thank Lisa Stone for believing Rae Lin D'Ale is a better player. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2008, 02:37:42 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2008, 02:37:42 PM
Sidenote on UWEC's win-
As buf mentioned, Michelle Burns topped the 1,000 point in scoring. She's the 13th Blugold to do so...
Leading the pack all-time in this conference is Arlene Meinholz, from UWEC (1991-95), at 1,834, and the 30th person listed is also a Blugold, at 1,278, Dawn Rattray (1989-93)...
They list the top 30 on the WIAC sight, and Burns was the 13th Blugold to do so, so between her 1,000 and Rattray's 1,278, there must be a bunch of players who are between that range, including six other Blugolds...
Will perhaps do some more research and throw out some stats for those interested, when I get more time...
As buf mentioned, Michelle Burns topped the 1,000 point in scoring. She's the 13th Blugold to do so...
Leading the pack all-time in this conference is Arlene Meinholz, from UWEC (1991-95), at 1,834, and the 30th person listed is also a Blugold, at 1,278, Dawn Rattray (1989-93)...
They list the top 30 on the WIAC sight, and Burns was the 13th Blugold to do so, so between her 1,000 and Rattray's 1,278, there must be a bunch of players who are between that range, including six other Blugolds...
Will perhaps do some more research and throw out some stats for those interested, when I get more time...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 20, 2008, 08:17:33 PM
Post by: buf on January 20, 2008, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 21 points (4/5 3pts), had 5 assists to one turnover, a rebound and 2 steals. Hendrickson has been a huge addition to the team this year. If the second half of the season goes like the first she's a legit POY candidate. I'd just like to thank Lisa Stone for believing Rae Lin D'Ale is a better player. ;)
I think she is the main reason that UWW is playing so well this year. It gives the Warhawks a legitimate outside threat to go along with their great inside game. Coming into this season, everyone knew WW was good on the inside. But I think that the question mark was the outside game. Hendrickson has answered that question.
Even though its only half way through the season with a lot of basketball left to be played, I think UWW has a good chance to make a run deep into the national tourney and challenge for the title.
Was the factor that Stone started D'Ale over Hendrickson, the reason why she left?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2008, 10:50:21 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2008, 10:50:21 AM
We would have had a pretty good team even without her as we returned everyone except two seniors who didn't play much. But she's definitely made us even a better one.
Hendrickson was a walk on. She decided to transfer when Lisa Stone recruited two other scholarship point guards, one of whom was D'Ale. There's more to the story but I don't really think it's appropriate for me to discuss it in a public forum like this.
Hendrickson was a walk on. She decided to transfer when Lisa Stone recruited two other scholarship point guards, one of whom was D'Ale. There's more to the story but I don't really think it's appropriate for me to discuss it in a public forum like this.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 21, 2008, 09:44:37 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 21, 2008, 09:44:37 PM
Speaking of Kelseys (there's a reach), has anyone seen Kelsey Duoss back in the states?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 02:54:31 PM
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: hoops49 on January 20, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
That binocs thing is crazy. I've never seen anyone with binocs at any of the games, but then I was watching the game. :D I can't imagine why anyone would bring them to a basketball game. Football for sure. Now all the golds fans will be looking for this guy. :D
I was just watching Family Fued. One of the questions was, "What would men use binoculars for? HA HA ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
Big game tonight. Point vs EC
I believe that this is a must win for EC. They still have to play at Point and UWW. Hopefully Zenner can play.
I believe that this is a must win for EC. They still have to play at Point and UWW. Hopefully Zenner can play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 23, 2008, 03:36:17 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 23, 2008, 03:36:17 PM
Should be a good one. Wish I could go. If it was a double-header I'd go for sure to see the mad pacer filming the game. Maybe he'll be at Quandt tonight!
Zorn is tough place to play...how does the match up look tonight? Point's deep, fast and tall here and there but not a major post presence. How does EC look inside?
This should give us the beginning of what we might be seeing at the end of February...
Zorn is tough place to play...how does the match up look tonight? Point's deep, fast and tall here and there but not a major post presence. How does EC look inside?
This should give us the beginning of what we might be seeing at the end of February...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 23, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 23, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Although I'm a Point fan, I'm secretly hoping for SP, EC and WW to all go 1-1 against each other, beat everyone else and create a three-way tie for first at 14-2.
I think that would guarantee three WIAC teams in the tournament regardless of how the conference tournament comes out. How could the committee possibly leave 1 (or 2!) of those teams at home under that scenario?
I think that would guarantee three WIAC teams in the tournament regardless of how the conference tournament comes out. How could the committee possibly leave 1 (or 2!) of those teams at home under that scenario?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
At the half, Stout is up 54 - 14 over Superior.
Looks like 3 point practice in a game situation for Stout - 10 for 20 from beyond the arc. Lindsey Gerber is the leading scorer - 4 for 6 from beyond the arc for 12 points, Lindsey Geissler is 2 for 5 from 3 point land and has 10 points.
Julia Hirssig and Char Edwards both have 5 boards each.
Stout's shooting nearly 54% compared to 27% for the Yellowjackets.
Looks like 3 point practice in a game situation for Stout - 10 for 20 from beyond the arc. Lindsey Gerber is the leading scorer - 4 for 6 from beyond the arc for 12 points, Lindsey Geissler is 2 for 5 from 3 point land and has 10 points.
Julia Hirssig and Char Edwards both have 5 boards each.
Stout's shooting nearly 54% compared to 27% for the Yellowjackets.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 23, 2008, 09:48:26 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 23, 2008, 09:48:26 PM
It's been a long time since I've posted on this side of the WIAC board.
Anyway's, EC wins another big game at Zorn, beating Point 62-54.
Anyway's, EC wins another big game at Zorn, beating Point 62-54.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 23, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 23, 2008, 10:17:45 PM
Final, as noted. UWEC 62-54 winners, on clutch free throw shooting down the stretch...
The Blugolds scored their last 11 points from the line, hitting 11 of 12, and 18 of 19 during the whole game, for 94%...
Tied at half 26-26...
Pointers were able to jump out to a 47-39 lead with 7:28 left, but the Blugolds' D kicked it into gear, and they tied the game at 49-49, with 3:19... a layup put UWEC up by two, at 51-49, with 1:56, and then they canned their 11 of 12 from the charity stripe to win it...
Michelle Burns has 18, Heidi Arcisewski has 12, and Hannah Mesick pulls down 9 boards to lead UWEC. The Pointers were led in scoring by Britta Petersen's 13...
UWEC moves to 14-3 overall, and 8-0 in conference. The Pointers are now 15-2 and 6-2....
The Blugolds scored their last 11 points from the line, hitting 11 of 12, and 18 of 19 during the whole game, for 94%...
Tied at half 26-26...
Pointers were able to jump out to a 47-39 lead with 7:28 left, but the Blugolds' D kicked it into gear, and they tied the game at 49-49, with 3:19... a layup put UWEC up by two, at 51-49, with 1:56, and then they canned their 11 of 12 from the charity stripe to win it...
Michelle Burns has 18, Heidi Arcisewski has 12, and Hannah Mesick pulls down 9 boards to lead UWEC. The Pointers were led in scoring by Britta Petersen's 13...
UWEC moves to 14-3 overall, and 8-0 in conference. The Pointers are now 15-2 and 6-2....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Bulk, you finally beat me to the punch. Good recap. I was a little nervous at the half after the Pointers erased the EC 7-point lead in the last 45 seconds of the 1st half. Good job of EC keeping their composure then and when they fell behind late with 7min left.
Didn't this game remind you of the WW game?
Didn't this game remind you of the WW game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 23, 2008, 10:45:28 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 23, 2008, 10:45:28 PM
I posted from the library on campus! ;)
UWEC has improved on its free throw shooting the last few games, to up the % more in lines of last year, when they were a good shooting team from the line... That could be a key down the stretch here, and come tournament(s) time...
Not sure, but it must have been a fairly-well officiated game tonight, or even-steven, since I only heard Coach Egner yell once all night. Ha.
Good crowd of 1,000+, made up of high schoolers and their respective teams... You think that was planned for this big game? But they weren't really that noisy, considering...modified... I think the youngsters were the ones stamping the feet on defensive stops, though...
Lots of line changes tonight, too... seemed like they came in waves more quickly than in previous games, too, as they looked to exploit weaknessess.... Pointers got a mismatch on Witt a few times late; I thought that might do us in...
UWEC has improved on its free throw shooting the last few games, to up the % more in lines of last year, when they were a good shooting team from the line... That could be a key down the stretch here, and come tournament(s) time...
Not sure, but it must have been a fairly-well officiated game tonight, or even-steven, since I only heard Coach Egner yell once all night. Ha.
Good crowd of 1,000+, made up of high schoolers and their respective teams... You think that was planned for this big game? But they weren't really that noisy, considering...modified... I think the youngsters were the ones stamping the feet on defensive stops, though...
Lots of line changes tonight, too... seemed like they came in waves more quickly than in previous games, too, as they looked to exploit weaknessess.... Pointers got a mismatch on Witt a few times late; I thought that might do us in...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 10:48:13 PM
Post by: buf on January 23, 2008, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 23, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
Although I'm a Point fan, I'm secretly hoping for SP, EC and WW to all go 1-1 against each other, beat everyone else and create a three-way tie for first at 14-2.
I think that would guarantee three WIAC teams in the tournament regardless of how the conference tournament comes out. How could the committee possibly leave 1 (or 2!) of those teams at home under that scenario?
I am kind of hoping for the same thing to happen. So far the home team has won every game and I think it is going to end up that way. EC still has those teams on the road. Hopefully, they can take one of those games. Hypothetically, I would feel more comfortable if EC had only 4 regional losses (compared to 5) if they happen to fall in the conference tourney. Since WW and Point didn't lose any nonconference games, they are in much better shape if the 14-2 3-way tie were to happen. However, don't count out other conference schools from stealing one from the top 3. Stout looks like they have improved from earlier on in the year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2008, 10:27:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2008, 10:27:35 AM
Platteville's last lead was 4-3 and the WARHAWKS made 7 of the first 9 shots to lead by as many as 15 in the first half before the Pioneer closed to 37-31 at the half. Platteville scored the first two baskets of the second half and closed to two 37-35 but WHITEWATER responded with a 17-3 run and twice reached 30 point leads before the horn sounded at 85-63.
Nicole Bundy and Tiffany Morton each scored 16 points and Kelsey Hendrickson added 14 to lead the WARHAWKS. Lyndsey Buechner, Megan Schmidt and Morton pulled down 7 rebounds apiece as WHITEWATER finished with a 42-30 advantage on the boards. WHITEWATER's pressure defense again caused alot of problems for the Pioneer who finished with 28 turnovers, 11 of which were steals.
Hold serve in Superior and Saturday's match up with Eau Claire looks pretty interesting.
I was hoping Point would win the match up with EC but we benefited from either outcome just not as much with EC winning.
Nicole Bundy and Tiffany Morton each scored 16 points and Kelsey Hendrickson added 14 to lead the WARHAWKS. Lyndsey Buechner, Megan Schmidt and Morton pulled down 7 rebounds apiece as WHITEWATER finished with a 42-30 advantage on the boards. WHITEWATER's pressure defense again caused alot of problems for the Pioneer who finished with 28 turnovers, 11 of which were steals.
Hold serve in Superior and Saturday's match up with Eau Claire looks pretty interesting.
I was hoping Point would win the match up with EC but we benefited from either outcome just not as much with EC winning.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 24, 2008, 12:48:16 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 24, 2008, 12:48:16 PM
Conference Tourney (If the season ended today)
1 Eau Claire 8-0
8 Superior 1-7
4 Stout 5-3
5 La Crosse 4-4
3 Stevens Point 6-2
6 Platteville 3-5
2 Whitewater 7-1
7 Oshkosh 2-6
1 Eau Claire 8-0
8 Superior 1-7
4 Stout 5-3
5 La Crosse 4-4
3 Stevens Point 6-2
6 Platteville 3-5
2 Whitewater 7-1
7 Oshkosh 2-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
Lot of BB to played yet before those pairings happen.
That may be exactly how it plays out, but all four matchups could be totally different for the WIAC tourney...
That may be exactly how it plays out, but all four matchups could be totally different for the WIAC tourney...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 24, 2008, 09:57:30 PM
Post by: buf on January 24, 2008, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 24, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
Lot of BB to played yet before those pairings happen.
That may be exactly how it plays out, but all four matchups could be totally different for the WIAC tourney...
Champ-
I don't think Mr D. is predicting that those standings will be the final ones. He posts those standings after each set of conference games. Its kind of nice to know where everyone stands throughout the last few weeks of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 25, 2008, 08:20:01 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 25, 2008, 08:20:01 AM
Whitewater fans--all WIAC fans--will enjoy the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel story
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=711074 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=711074)
Although, it might add some questions about our current health care system and what drives it and its costs...
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=711074 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=711074)
Although, it might add some questions about our current health care system and what drives it and its costs...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 25, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
Great story from MJS!
I don't think anyone can ever question the desire of Coach Carollo and UW-Whitewater.
I don't think anyone can ever question the desire of Coach Carollo and UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2008, 09:42:18 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2008, 09:42:18 AM
Thanks for the link, Phoenix.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2008, 01:56:37 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2008, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: buf on January 24, 2008, 09:57:30 PMChamp-
I don't think Mr D. is predicting that those standings will be the final ones. He posts those standings after each set of conference games. Its kind of nice to know where everyone stands throughout the last few weeks of the season.
I know Mr. D does these - my only point was that it's a little early. We're only half way through the season. In another couple weeks, the projected pairings will have more meaning.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 26, 2008, 04:48:54 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 26, 2008, 04:48:54 PM
Wow - Point absolutely tanks in UW-Zero. Anybody at the game got info on this one other than the obvious that they couldn't throw it into the ocean?
Mad defense? Poor decisions? Outbreak of smallpox?
Doesn't appear to be anything else interesting going on. I'm sure EC will take care of business vs. LaX. This could be one of those haunting losses down the road come "who's gettin' in" time.
Mad defense? Poor decisions? Outbreak of smallpox?
Doesn't appear to be anything else interesting going on. I'm sure EC will take care of business vs. LaX. This could be one of those haunting losses down the road come "who's gettin' in" time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2008, 06:45:38 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2008, 06:45:38 PM
Point was flat. Oshkosh played good defense, but honestly, that was the poorest performance by a top 10 team I've seen since Stout blew out Oshkosh by 30 when the Titans were #1.
This is a back breaker for Point, and I think it takes them out of the running for the WIAC crown.
This is a back breaker for Point, and I think it takes them out of the running for the WIAC crown.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
Post by: buf on January 26, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
UWEC hangs on over UWL, 60-53.
For most of the 1st half it looked like it would be an easy win for EC. They were up late in the half, 27-11, and had even missed many inside shots. Then all of a sudden, UWL goes on a 7-0 run and ends up only trailing 27-18 at the half. UWL came out blazing in the 2nd half and tied the game at 31 five minutes into the half. EC crept the lead back up, but UWL came storming back and took a 1-point lead with 5min left. However, like they have in a few games lately, EC responded well and closed out the Eagles.
EC needs to work on their passing. It has not been good this season. Just too many turnovers. They have really struggled with the press.
FT shooting was not good today, with the exception of Zenner. EC did so well against Point the other night from the line but they struggled yet again this afternoon.
On the bright side, EC showed yet again that they will not cave in when a team makes a run at them late in the game.
Anderson had a good game off the bench for EC in the first half. Zenner did well late in the game on FTs when EC was trying to ice the victory. Heidi A. lead the Golds with 16pts and 9rebs.
Mac Hunter put the team on her back in the 2nd half and lead UWL with 19pts.
For most of the 1st half it looked like it would be an easy win for EC. They were up late in the half, 27-11, and had even missed many inside shots. Then all of a sudden, UWL goes on a 7-0 run and ends up only trailing 27-18 at the half. UWL came out blazing in the 2nd half and tied the game at 31 five minutes into the half. EC crept the lead back up, but UWL came storming back and took a 1-point lead with 5min left. However, like they have in a few games lately, EC responded well and closed out the Eagles.
EC needs to work on their passing. It has not been good this season. Just too many turnovers. They have really struggled with the press.
FT shooting was not good today, with the exception of Zenner. EC did so well against Point the other night from the line but they struggled yet again this afternoon.
On the bright side, EC showed yet again that they will not cave in when a team makes a run at them late in the game.
Anderson had a good game off the bench for EC in the first half. Zenner did well late in the game on FTs when EC was trying to ice the victory. Heidi A. lead the Golds with 16pts and 9rebs.
Mac Hunter put the team on her back in the 2nd half and lead UWL with 19pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Post by: buf on January 26, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2008, 06:45:38 PM
Point was flat. Oshkosh played good defense, but honestly, that was the poorest performance by a top 10 team I've seen since Stout blew out Oshkosh by 30 when the Titans were #1.
This is a back breaker for Point, and I think it takes them out of the running for the WIAC crown.
Yes, it seems Point is in a bit of trouble. They need to close out the season well. They can't afford any more losses to teams in the bottom of the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
The Point loss to UWO is a perfect example of why I posted earlier that there is a lot of BB left to play.
Upsets happen.
UWL plays tough once again.
Heartbreaking for those young women to "nearly" knock off one of the top teams, but come up short again. If they can grow from the experience - this could bode well for this team in the future. Only 2 SR's on the team - both starters - but they return the other 3 starters and the rest of the team. UWL could produce an upset before the end of the this season...
Upsets happen.
UWL plays tough once again.
Heartbreaking for those young women to "nearly" knock off one of the top teams, but come up short again. If they can grow from the experience - this could bode well for this team in the future. Only 2 SR's on the team - both starters - but they return the other 3 starters and the rest of the team. UWL could produce an upset before the end of the this season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on January 27, 2008, 10:42:46 AM
Post by: OshDude on January 27, 2008, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Mr. Downtown on January 26, 2008, 06:45:38 PM
Point was flat. Oshkosh played good defense, but honestly, that was the poorest performance by a top 10 team I've seen since Stout blew out Oshkosh by 30 when the Titans were #1.
This is a back breaker for Point, and I think it takes them out of the running for the WIAC crown.
That was my first time this year seeing the UWO women. They played "Schumacher ball" to a T. It was maximum effort on the helping man-to-man D; good rebounding; a nice rotation of nine fresh, fundamentally sound players; and they hit enough shots to keep the effort going on the defensive end.
The final score wasn't 5-0 like I think Schumacher would prefer, but that was an impressive showing by the young Titans. To hold Point to 36 points below its season average and avenge an earlier 32-point loss at Point is amazing. Equally amazing is that Point had two points with just over 10 minutes remaining in the first half. Sure, Point missed some shots, but nothing came easy.
For those of you who have seen UWO at its worst this season, why the ridiculous blowouts? Why the other losses under 10 points? Hard to imagine the team I saw last night being capable of losing by 32 to anyone, based on the defensive end. I saw a 40-minute defensive highlight and a "Schumacher Way" recruiting video being shot. It just doesn't equate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2008, 06:40:16 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2008, 06:40:16 PM
The two teams traded baskets to begin the game before WHITEWATER went on a 19-2 run to begin what was to become a long, ugly afternoon game for the YellowJacket. A 23-2 run later led to a 61-17 halftime score. The rest isn't worth relating. The final was 92-41. Five WARHAWKS scored in double figures. Nobody played more than 18 minutes. Superior is bad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 27, 2008, 06:54:43 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 27, 2008, 06:54:43 PM
At UWO, one team was ranked #10, the other played like it.
Just a fun game to watch. I'm surprised SP didn't look to Kranz more. She seemed to be the only one that wanted to play, but only got 5 shots, compared to Neuenfeldt who just kept chucking them up. But the key was the boards. Not letting SP get second-chance points was a biggie. Couple that with good defense and contested shots, and SP couldn't get into their press early. Again, a fun game to watch, and a big win for a young team.
OshGuy - I'd say it comes down to having a young team. Relying on so many freshman, and now a new post player will make it tough. But it seems they are buying into it all now. I'd bet after playing so well against EC, and then laying an egg at LX, they got a good tongue lashing and had a "fun" week at practice. But if they can keep this up, who wants to play them in round 1?
Just a fun game to watch. I'm surprised SP didn't look to Kranz more. She seemed to be the only one that wanted to play, but only got 5 shots, compared to Neuenfeldt who just kept chucking them up. But the key was the boards. Not letting SP get second-chance points was a biggie. Couple that with good defense and contested shots, and SP couldn't get into their press early. Again, a fun game to watch, and a big win for a young team.
OshGuy - I'd say it comes down to having a young team. Relying on so many freshman, and now a new post player will make it tough. But it seems they are buying into it all now. I'd bet after playing so well against EC, and then laying an egg at LX, they got a good tongue lashing and had a "fun" week at practice. But if they can keep this up, who wants to play them in round 1?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 28, 2008, 09:32:41 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 28, 2008, 09:32:41 AM
QuoteSuperior is bad
Adding insult to injury, one decent player (Nord) was in street clothes, and a promising first-year player (Gronli) is no longer on the team. Rumor has it she was kicked off. Maybe she was showing too much promise. Certainly having those two on the floor wouldn't have made a bottom-line difference, but perhaps they would have contributed a little offense and defense and brought the scores a little closer together.
Still trying to figure out Mulhern's strategy. It's not apparent, yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
Post by: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
2 reasons why Point lost. Terrible shooting and bad coaching. Someone needs to take some responsibility other than the players...
Oshkosh also played well. Give them credit...
Oshkosh also played well. Give them credit...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
Sorry, one other comment. Point does not appear to look inside much and likes to shoot on the outside too much. They need to be able to do both...otherwise their season will not get any better. I agree they should have fed the ball to Kranz when she was posting up. Will be interesting to see if they can rebound and win the rest of their games...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2008, 10:45:28 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2008, 10:45:28 AM
Quote from: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
Sorry, one other comment. Point does not appear to look inside much and likes to shoot on the outside too much. They need to be able to do both...otherwise their season will not get any better. I agree they should have fed the ball to Kranz when she was posting up. Will be interesting to see if they can rebound and win the rest of their games...
Considering your e-mail address, I'm not suprised you feel that way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 28, 2008, 10:57:08 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 28, 2008, 10:57:08 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 28, 2008, 10:45:28 AMQuote from: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
Sorry, one other comment. Point does not appear to look inside much and likes to shoot on the outside too much. They need to be able to do both...otherwise their season will not get any better. I agree they should have fed the ball to Kranz when she was posting up. Will be interesting to see if they can rebound and win the rest of their games...
Considering your e-mail address, I'm not suprised you feel that way.
JB - player? Student? Parent? Just curious...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2008, 11:21:57 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2008, 11:21:57 AM
I have no idea, but the e-mail address would indicate a conncection of some kind. Look for yourself.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 28, 2008, 12:52:46 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 28, 2008, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
2 reasons why Point lost. Terrible shooting and bad coaching. Someone needs to take some responsibility other than the players...
Oshkosh also played well. Give them credit...
Why do you mention terrible coaching? What seemed to go wrong? Other posts indicate that Zero pressured Point pretty well. Just curious what you meant by this...hard to believe that Point put up 13 points for a half. That's crazy!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on January 28, 2008, 03:52:17 PM
Post by: OshDude on January 28, 2008, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: ugot2loveit on January 28, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
Sorry, one other comment. Point does not appear to look inside much and likes to shoot on the outside too much. They need to be able to do both...otherwise their season will not get any better. I agree they should have fed the ball to Kranz when she was posting up. Will be interesting to see if they can rebound and win the rest of their games...
I thought just the opposite. Kranz got a touch almost every trip in the second half, and the Titans doubled down hard. Did I just remember that incorrectly? Kranz didn't always get the ball in a great position to score, but I thought the offense went through her quite a bit during the second.
The Pointers did settle for outside shots in the first half, though. But like some others wrote, UWO played great team D to force the UWSP shots to come from the outside. I don't know how many shot-clock violations UWSP was forced into, but there were plenty of those to go along with a few other near shot-clock violations because UWO often forced the ball out of Kranz's hands and made Point go with Plan B and sometimes Plan C or worse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on January 29, 2008, 04:46:33 PM
Post by: Barber Greene on January 29, 2008, 04:46:33 PM
Nice article in the Wisconsin State Journal about UWW's success this year
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/269941
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/269941
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 29, 2008, 05:32:14 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 29, 2008, 05:32:14 PM
Well deserved. They've been hot...that's just the type of season that could make that big run. I think that EC has quietly been sitting pretty this season as well. Doesn't seem like a lot of noise has been made about them this season though.
Had some minutes to start wondering what some of the upcoming matchups are going to look like and man, it looks like some of these games are going to be playoff atmospheres down the stretch! Get your travel shoes on and hit up some of those matchups because all of us are going to want some info to get excited about as we head into the WIAC tourney and post-season.
With that said, here's what I see happening (or maybe hoping) with the regular season outcomes...
UWEC 13-3
UWWW 13-3
UWSP 13-3
UWST 12-4
UWO 7-9
UWL 7-9
UWP 5-11
UWSUP 1-15
UWRF 1-15
I am saying WW, SP and ST all beat EC once this time around...could go either way but should be very interesting.
What are everyone else's thoughts?
Had some minutes to start wondering what some of the upcoming matchups are going to look like and man, it looks like some of these games are going to be playoff atmospheres down the stretch! Get your travel shoes on and hit up some of those matchups because all of us are going to want some info to get excited about as we head into the WIAC tourney and post-season.
With that said, here's what I see happening (or maybe hoping) with the regular season outcomes...
UWEC 13-3
UWWW 13-3
UWSP 13-3
UWST 12-4
UWO 7-9
UWL 7-9
UWP 5-11
UWSUP 1-15
UWRF 1-15
I am saying WW, SP and ST all beat EC once this time around...could go either way but should be very interesting.
What are everyone else's thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2008, 10:46:53 PM
Post by: buf on January 29, 2008, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on January 29, 2008, 05:32:14 PM
Well deserved. They've been hot...that's just the type of season that could make that big run. I think that EC has quietly been sitting pretty this season as well. Doesn't seem like a lot of noise has been made about them this season though.
Had some minutes to start wondering what some of the upcoming matchups are going to look like and man, it looks like some of these games are going to be playoff atmospheres down the stretch! Get your travel shoes on and hit up some of those matchups because all of us are going to want some info to get excited about as we head into the WIAC tourney and post-season.
With that said, here's what I see happening (or maybe hoping) with the regular season outcomes...
UWEC 13-3
UWWW 13-3
UWSP 13-3
UWST 12-4
UWO 7-9
UWL 7-9
UWP 5-11
UWSUP 1-15
UWRF 1-15
I am saying WW, SP and ST all beat EC once this time around...could go either way but should be very interesting.
What are everyone else's thoughts?
Where would UWW's two losses come from? Obviously Point, but who else?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 30, 2008, 12:46:08 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 30, 2008, 12:46:08 AM
2 reasons why Point lost. Terrible shooting and bad coaching. Someone needs to take some responsibility other than the players...
Oshkosh also played well. Give them credit...
Seriously??? I agree 100% with the terrible shooting.....but to say one of two reasons they lost is bad coaching is stupidity.......you don't have to be at the game to know they got out played in just about every aspect of the game....I just find it amazing how "great" coaches are when teams are winning but the first "bad" loss and it all of the sudden isn't the players fault....I am not saying that coaching has nothing to do with it but putting in the top two reasons a team loses by almost 20 is ridiculous........as for Kranz needing to get the ball more...I wasn't there so I can't make a fare assumption but my guess (from looking at stats) is that about 50% of the touches inside got kicked out for lower percentage shots.....which means ALL of their inside players should have taken a few more higher percentage shots rather than kicking it out when they felt the pressure from the D...
I am loving the race right now....can't wait to see how it finishes out!!
Oshkosh also played well. Give them credit...
Seriously??? I agree 100% with the terrible shooting.....but to say one of two reasons they lost is bad coaching is stupidity.......you don't have to be at the game to know they got out played in just about every aspect of the game....I just find it amazing how "great" coaches are when teams are winning but the first "bad" loss and it all of the sudden isn't the players fault....I am not saying that coaching has nothing to do with it but putting in the top two reasons a team loses by almost 20 is ridiculous........as for Kranz needing to get the ball more...I wasn't there so I can't make a fare assumption but my guess (from looking at stats) is that about 50% of the touches inside got kicked out for lower percentage shots.....which means ALL of their inside players should have taken a few more higher percentage shots rather than kicking it out when they felt the pressure from the D...
I am loving the race right now....can't wait to see how it finishes out!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2008, 08:18:26 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2008, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: buf on January 29, 2008, 10:46:53 PM
Where would UWW's two losses come from? Obviously Point, but who else?
I can't speak for shootfromthe arc, but one real possibility would be against Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse.
WW trounced us on their court, that's a fact. But there is a reason they call it "home court advantage". Regardless, Stout would have to play much better in the next game to earn the W.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 30, 2008, 09:20:59 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 30, 2008, 09:20:59 AM
Yeah, I'm guessing that Stout gets revenge for the other loss...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2008, 10:06:10 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2008, 10:06:10 AM
Zorn and Johnson Fieldhouse remain the only two venues in which Coach Carollo has yet to get a W.
What is it in the stats that hints at the number of touches the low post gets in a game, Crazy4. I'm curious what numbers you crunch to reach that conclusion. Kranz only took five shots in the game. I wasn't there so I don't know how many times she touched it. Obviously her relative felt it wasn't enough.
If Eau Claire outplayed SP in "just about every aspect of the game" one could argue that they were poorly prepared or not ready to play and that's coaching. I don't know if that's what happened or not but the argument isn't "ridiculous" on it's merits.
What is it in the stats that hints at the number of touches the low post gets in a game, Crazy4. I'm curious what numbers you crunch to reach that conclusion. Kranz only took five shots in the game. I wasn't there so I don't know how many times she touched it. Obviously her relative felt it wasn't enough.
If Eau Claire outplayed SP in "just about every aspect of the game" one could argue that they were poorly prepared or not ready to play and that's coaching. I don't know if that's what happened or not but the argument isn't "ridiculous" on it's merits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 30, 2008, 11:40:21 AM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 30, 2008, 11:40:21 AM
The part of the arguement that is ridiculous is the part saying that there were two reasons why they lost....one of them being coaching, obviously I know coaching has a part in every loss and if you read the articles on the game Egner takes responsibility for being apart of it...it would be like asking hte question do you think that the reason UWW has beaten a handful of teams by 20+ this year is because they are really that much better or because the other team has bad coaching?
the stats I looked at were out of 59 shots 19 were threes......having watched a few Pointer games I am guessing they were off kick offs since Egner isn't the type to let kids jack threes....my second stat I looked at was season TO's for Kranz.....(i know you are all thinking why this stat but try to put two and two together on this one)
I think Kranz is a great player from what I have seen and I think Point is a great team....my point.....give credit to UWO for a great W instead of saying your team handed it to them....Zero earned it that day.
the stats I looked at were out of 59 shots 19 were threes......having watched a few Pointer games I am guessing they were off kick offs since Egner isn't the type to let kids jack threes....my second stat I looked at was season TO's for Kranz.....(i know you are all thinking why this stat but try to put two and two together on this one)
I think Kranz is a great player from what I have seen and I think Point is a great team....my point.....give credit to UWO for a great W instead of saying your team handed it to them....Zero earned it that day.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2008, 12:45:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2008, 12:45:56 PM
I'm confused. In your first post you called the idea "stupidity" and "ridiculous." In this post you indicate Enger takes responsiblity for it. If she's saying she didn't coach well why would the other poster's opinion that bad coaching was a part of the loss be "stupidity" or "ridiculous?" Whether it was significant or not is a matter of opinion. The fact their opinion differs from yours doesn't make it stupid or ridiculous. It just makes it different. It must have had some significance or Enger wouldn't have mentioned it.
Two and two, would that be four? ;)
Two and two, would that be four? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 30, 2008, 01:15:28 PM
Post by: crazy4hoops on January 30, 2008, 01:15:28 PM
once again....i thought i clarified in the last post....in the first line......the part of the arguement that is ridiculous is saying they lost for 2 reasons one being coaching......obviously coaching is a part of it but it isn't one of two main reasons point lost that game........that my friend is ridiculous....whether it is an opinion or not
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 30, 2008, 07:17:23 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 30, 2008, 07:17:23 PM
Maybe what crazy4hoops is trying to say is ridiculous is the fact that the poster said that someone needs to take some responsibility for the loss besides the players which clearly Egner did. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 08:51:15 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 08:51:15 PM
Point 38
RF 26
Half
WW 54
UWL 41
Half
UWO 43
UWP 34
Half
EC up by about 17 or so against Superior at the half.
RF 26
Half
WW 54
UWL 41
Half
UWO 43
UWP 34
Half
EC up by about 17 or so against Superior at the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 09:16:11 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 09:16:11 PM
;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
UWL on a run, now tied with 5min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 09:52:37 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 09:52:37 PM
UWL and UWW go to OT
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 30, 2008, 09:53:07 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 30, 2008, 09:53:07 PM
The Teen Titans win another one, beating Platteville 71-62.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2008, 10:02:07 PM
EC over Sup 79-40
Point over RF 81-46
WW leads late in OT by 7
Point over RF 81-46
WW leads late in OT by 7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2008, 07:33:50 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2008, 07:33:50 AM
I posted earlier that UWL has lost some heartbreakers, and they lose another one last night.
Last evening, they took the #3 ranked team in the country to OT...
This squad is ready to pull off an upset soon. I hope it's not when Stout goes down there and plays on February 16th, or in a possible 3rd game this season in the WIAC Tourney.
I really think if this team could be a force to be reckoned with in future seasons.
Last evening, they took the #3 ranked team in the country to OT...
This squad is ready to pull off an upset soon. I hope it's not when Stout goes down there and plays on February 16th, or in a possible 3rd game this season in the WIAC Tourney.
I really think if this team could be a force to be reckoned with in future seasons.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2008, 09:45:58 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2008, 09:45:58 AM
It seems like LaCrosse has been on the verge of breaking through for several years. They get some players who dominate and I start talking about how good they'll be next year, and they end up a little worse or the same. I don't know if the rest of the league simply adjusts to the team or the team loses a key player or the chemistry doesn't pan out for the big move up the standings or what. They should have had WIAC champion teams a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2008, 10:39:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2008, 10:39:38 AM
LaCrosse is vastly improved since the first time we played them. If they continue to play like last night they'll be a handfull for anyone the rest of the way.
Last night's game was a good test for the WARHAWKS and while they were seriously challenged they weren't beaten. Perhaps caught looking a bit forward and pushed to the wall they responded to walk away with it in OT.
We all know that those things which do not kill you only serve to make you stronger. ;D This was one of those things for this team.
Now we can focus on Saturday's match up with EC. We've got a score to settle.
Last night's game was a good test for the WARHAWKS and while they were seriously challenged they weren't beaten. Perhaps caught looking a bit forward and pushed to the wall they responded to walk away with it in OT.
We all know that those things which do not kill you only serve to make you stronger. ;D This was one of those things for this team.
Now we can focus on Saturday's match up with EC. We've got a score to settle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 31, 2008, 12:46:56 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on January 31, 2008, 12:46:56 PM
Conference Tourney Pairings to date:
1 Eau Claire 10-0
8 Superior 1-9
4 Stout 6-3
5 La Crosse 4-6
3 Stevens Point 7-3
6 Oshkosh 4-6
2 Whitewater 9-1
7 Platteville 3-7
Left Out: River Falls 0-9.
1 Eau Claire 10-0
8 Superior 1-9
4 Stout 6-3
5 La Crosse 4-6
3 Stevens Point 7-3
6 Oshkosh 4-6
2 Whitewater 9-1
7 Platteville 3-7
Left Out: River Falls 0-9.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 31, 2008, 04:55:31 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on January 31, 2008, 04:55:31 PM
What it should be showing is left out: RF AND Superior. It's times like those that a serious amount of time and money get wasted...
Now RF is clearly having a down year so I'm not suggesting a 7 team tourney but honestly, who is Superior going to beat?
It's an over-hashed out situation regarding UW-Superb. You hate to omit a team but it just seems like such a waste to send teams up there and then in return have them travel the state. When do you call it quits to a program and save the rest of the programs in the conference money.
I'm not saying they lack the heart or competitive juices to compete but wouldn't an EC vs Sup matchup be a bit ridiculous at this point. What's left to prove?
WW is playing sick basketball...a nice test as they run down the stretch to get pushed, even head to OT and still win. Should be great experience come tourney time. LaCrosse may be trying to play the trick Platteville did back in what was it, 2002? #7 seed almost wins the bid!
Now RF is clearly having a down year so I'm not suggesting a 7 team tourney but honestly, who is Superior going to beat?
It's an over-hashed out situation regarding UW-Superb. You hate to omit a team but it just seems like such a waste to send teams up there and then in return have them travel the state. When do you call it quits to a program and save the rest of the programs in the conference money.
I'm not saying they lack the heart or competitive juices to compete but wouldn't an EC vs Sup matchup be a bit ridiculous at this point. What's left to prove?
WW is playing sick basketball...a nice test as they run down the stretch to get pushed, even head to OT and still win. Should be great experience come tourney time. LaCrosse may be trying to play the trick Platteville did back in what was it, 2002? #7 seed almost wins the bid!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2008, 08:03:04 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2008, 08:03:04 PM
If Superior were to manage to get into post-season play, I'm pretty sure they'd be doing all the traveling--in case you were worried about the UWS budget. Which it doesn't have, by the way. I don't believe $ has been distributed to the universities yet; or maybe it has, but UWS has poured it all into renovating an administrator's office.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2008, 08:17:01 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2008, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2008, 08:03:04 PM
If Superior were to manage to get into post-season play, I'm pretty sure they'd be doing all the traveling--in case you were worried about the UWS budget. Which it doesn't have, by the way. I don't believe $ has been distributed to the universities yet; or maybe it has, but UWS has poured it all into renovating an administrator's office.
Tell me how you really feel about that. Like, is it a really nice office now?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2008, 10:07:53 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2008, 10:07:53 AM
Well, as you know, I always play my cards close to the vest. I like to come across as impartial and unbiased. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2008, 10:50:01 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2008, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2008, 10:07:53 AM
Well, as you know, I always play my cards close to the vest. I like to come across as impartial and unbiased. ;D
That's not what those WW guys are saying on the men's board ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
I ain't afraid of them/ him. I've got truth, justice and the American way on my side. Besides, I'm an adult.
Good luck to the Stouters tomorrow, although I'm not sure they need luck.
I'll try to catch your broadcast in the morning; Milwaukee Journal Sentinel did a nice write up about Buchanan; I look forward to hearing him. Now, if I can just roll out of bed that early...
Good luck to the Stouters tomorrow, although I'm not sure they need luck.
I'll try to catch your broadcast in the morning; Milwaukee Journal Sentinel did a nice write up about Buchanan; I look forward to hearing him. Now, if I can just roll out of bed that early...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 02, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Post by: buf on February 02, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Halftime
EC 22
WW 30
EC played pretty good for the first 13 minutes and lead for most of the half. However, they went cold late and also had some turnovers on WW's press in the last couple minutes. WW hit a couple late 3s also. Witt needs a break as she looked pretty tired late in the half, playing almost the entire first half.
Stout 39
UWO 27
Half
UWL 36
Sup 22
Half
UWP won easily over RF earlier today.
EC 22
WW 30
EC played pretty good for the first 13 minutes and lead for most of the half. However, they went cold late and also had some turnovers on WW's press in the last couple minutes. WW hit a couple late 3s also. Witt needs a break as she looked pretty tired late in the half, playing almost the entire first half.
Stout 39
UWO 27
Half
UWL 36
Sup 22
Half
UWP won easily over RF earlier today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 02, 2008, 05:43:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 02, 2008, 05:43:22 PM
WW over EC 60-50. Difference in this one was the offensive rebounding of WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 02, 2008, 10:49:24 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 02, 2008, 10:49:24 PM
Difference in this one is WW's press beat us and none of our shots were going down whereas WW was hitting their shots in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 07:31:31 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 07:31:31 AM
Stout's Julia Hirssig (last week's WIAC Player of the Week) set another personal best yesterday - scoring 27 against the UWO Titans.
Midway through the first half,Stout build up a double digit lead that they maintained for most of the game, led by Hirssig's scoring from inside the paint - 16 points in the first half for the Sophomore from Rochester, MN.
The Titans did manage to cut into Stout's lead in the second half, pulling to within six points with five minutes left, 62-56, on a bucket by Whitney Tyriver (top Titan scorer with 18 points).
But then Lindsey Gerber popped her 2nd three pointer of the night and Kim Stokke stole the ball on the ensuing Titan possession and was fouled - making both FT's to build the lead back to 11. The game was never in doubt from that point on.
Next up - the Pointers from UWSP on Wednesday and then the Warhawks from WW. Both games are at Johnson Fieldhouse so I'm hoping for some "home court advantage" in the rematch of the earlier back to back losses in January.
Go Lady Bluedevils!!!
Midway through the first half,Stout build up a double digit lead that they maintained for most of the game, led by Hirssig's scoring from inside the paint - 16 points in the first half for the Sophomore from Rochester, MN.
The Titans did manage to cut into Stout's lead in the second half, pulling to within six points with five minutes left, 62-56, on a bucket by Whitney Tyriver (top Titan scorer with 18 points).
But then Lindsey Gerber popped her 2nd three pointer of the night and Kim Stokke stole the ball on the ensuing Titan possession and was fouled - making both FT's to build the lead back to 11. The game was never in doubt from that point on.
Next up - the Pointers from UWSP on Wednesday and then the Warhawks from WW. Both games are at Johnson Fieldhouse so I'm hoping for some "home court advantage" in the rematch of the earlier back to back losses in January.
Go Lady Bluedevils!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 08:01:36 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 08:01:36 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on February 02, 2008, 10:49:24 PM
Difference in this one is WW's press beat us and none of our shots were going down whereas WW was hitting their shots in the 2nd half.
Looking at the stats, it appears that the shooting percentage for the Golds didnt change all that much between the two halves (33.3 in the 1st compared to 32.1 in the second. In the first half UWEC actually outshot WW 33.3% to 31.3. The Warhawks percentage in the second half did improve to 41.4 from the field.
For the game, shooting percentages were 36% for the Warhawks and 32.7 for the Bluegolds.
The real difference was the number of shots (especially from 3 point land) and rebounds by the Lady Warhawks - 61 shots and 48 rebounds compared to 52 shots and 32 rebounds for the BG's. From beyond the arc WW hit 6 of 21 compared to UWEC's 3 of 11 which resulted in 9 points of the final 10 point advantage.
UWEC did win the game at the charity stripe - hitting 13 of 17 (8 of 10 in the second half), while UWW only hit 10 of 16 (3 of 6 in the second half).
Congratulations to your Lady Warhawks, BW!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 03, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 03, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
Champ,
I saw the Stout women for the first time in a while and I was impressed. Julia H. was amazing, Char played very well, and the transition game (with post players leading the charge) was solid. I think the new emphasis of post passes when the transition doesn't go is what will make Stout a force. I have a feeling that this team is going to make some loud noises yet this year.
I saw the Stout women for the first time in a while and I was impressed. Julia H. was amazing, Char played very well, and the transition game (with post players leading the charge) was solid. I think the new emphasis of post passes when the transition doesn't go is what will make Stout a force. I have a feeling that this team is going to make some loud noises yet this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 03, 2008, 11:49:32 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 03, 2008, 11:49:32 AM
For WIAC women's basketball fans, the Eau Claire Leader/Telegram is going to run a feature series on Coach Englund starting Monday morning called "A Day In The Life Of". Should be interesting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 03, 2008, 02:50:26 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 03, 2008, 02:50:26 PM
Conference Tourney Pairings (If the season ended today)
The Tiebreaker for EC/WW goes down to almost the last tiebreaker. Currently Whitewater is 4-1 in road games in the WIAC, Eau Claire is 3-1.
1 *Whitewater 10-1
8 Superior 1-10
4 Stout 7-3
5 La Crosse 5-6
3 Stevens Point 7-3
6 Oshkosh 4-7
2 *Eau Claire 10-1
7 Platteville 4-7
*Have Clinched Home Court 1st Round
The Tiebreaker for EC/WW goes down to almost the last tiebreaker. Currently Whitewater is 4-1 in road games in the WIAC, Eau Claire is 3-1.
1 *Whitewater 10-1
8 Superior 1-10
4 Stout 7-3
5 La Crosse 5-6
3 Stevens Point 7-3
6 Oshkosh 4-7
2 *Eau Claire 10-1
7 Platteville 4-7
*Have Clinched Home Court 1st Round
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 03, 2008, 08:14:19 AM
Champ,
I saw the Stout women for the first time in a while and I was impressed. Julia H. was amazing, Char played very well, and the transition game (with post players leading the charge) was solid. I think the new emphasis of post passes when the transition doesn't go is what will make Stout a force. I have a feeling that this team is going to make some loud noises yet this year.
I haven't been able to make a game since the UWL game on 1/12. Too much travel ;D and too much work >:(
Mrs. Champ's family Christmas in Coon Rapids yesterday, or we'd have been there yesterday. Looks like I can make the Point game on Wednesday and Linda gets home from DC on Friday night so we'll be making the WW game also.
Julia, as well as the rest of the team, are going to have to have solid games this week. With 2 W's, we'll be right in the thick of the WIAC battle. With 2 losses, we'll be playing for home court advantage in the first round of the WIAC Tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 03, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 03, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
Mr. Downtown.
I have looked at the schedule and I believe EC is actually 6-1 for in confernce road games with their lone remaining road game at SP in a little over a week. WW is 4-1 on the road. So as of right now, EC would be the one seed and WW would be the 2 seed. :)
I have looked at the schedule and I believe EC is actually 6-1 for in confernce road games with their lone remaining road game at SP in a little over a week. WW is 4-1 on the road. So as of right now, EC would be the one seed and WW would be the 2 seed. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2008, 01:58:05 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2008, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 03, 2008, 08:01:36 AM
Congratulations to your Lady Warhawks, BW!!!
Thanks, we earned it.
No time to rest however. Platteville played us tough here last year and with Stout, Point and Oshkosh on the road we've got our work cut out for us.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWP SID on February 06, 2008, 10:49:57 AM
Post by: UWP SID on February 06, 2008, 10:49:57 AM
Because of the snow, the UW-Platteville and UW-La Crosse game has been postponed until Thursday at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 06, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
Post by: buf on February 06, 2008, 10:02:06 PM
EC blows out UWO. What a game by Rachel M. I think she had 7 3s in the game. She was on fire. If EC plays the way they did in the 2nd half, they can beat anyone. A nice performance for the Golds this evening.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2008, 07:45:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2008, 07:45:30 AM
A barn burner at Johnson Fieldhouse last night between the UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils and the Pointers of UWSP...
37 - 33 Stout at the half, 72 - 72 at the end of regulation.
For the first minute of the OT, the teams traded foul shots and baskets, but then Stout went on a 17 - 3 run to seal the deal 92 to 79.
Julia Hirssig set a personal career high scoring mark for the third game in a row scoring 30 points - 7 of them in the OT!!! For the game, Hirssig had 11 boards with 2 of those in the OT also. Dani Boese scored 17 and pulled down six boards for the game, 7 of her points were also in the OT as well as 2 of her rebounds.
Next up - the Lady Warhawks from UWW... Hope for a clean well played game and may the home team win... ;D
37 - 33 Stout at the half, 72 - 72 at the end of regulation.
For the first minute of the OT, the teams traded foul shots and baskets, but then Stout went on a 17 - 3 run to seal the deal 92 to 79.
Julia Hirssig set a personal career high scoring mark for the third game in a row scoring 30 points - 7 of them in the OT!!! For the game, Hirssig had 11 boards with 2 of those in the OT also. Dani Boese scored 17 and pulled down six boards for the game, 7 of her points were also in the OT as well as 2 of her rebounds.
Next up - the Lady Warhawks from UWW... Hope for a clean well played game and may the home team win... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
Nice game by your girls, Champ. Thanks for pinning another loss on Point.
I don't like this week long layoff but here's to a good game Saturday and may Coach Carollo get her first W in Johnson Fieldhouse. :D
Win one for Matthew
I don't like this week long layoff but here's to a good game Saturday and may Coach Carollo get her first W in Johnson Fieldhouse. :D
Win one for Matthew
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2008, 06:43:58 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2008, 06:43:58 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
Nice game by your girls, Champ. Thanks for pinning another loss on Point.
I don't like this week long layoff but here's to a good game Saturday and may Coach Carollo get her first W in Johnson Fieldhouse. :D
Win one for Matthew
Thanks BW...
Those ladies busted their tails - and it paid off!!!
As for Coach C getting his first "W" at Johnson Fieldhouse for Mathew, that's fine by me as long as it's in the {b]Alumni{/b] game (which former coaches are welcome to participate in) Saturday morning...
The Alumni game has been the WW game day for at least the last three years - Coach Z from WW has played in it the last two years IIRC.
It's always fun to see some of the recent and not so recent players come back and "show their stuff". We frequently get players traveling in from some pretty good distances to play - one former star comes all the way from North Carolina!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2008, 10:18:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2008, 10:18:13 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 07, 2008, 06:43:58 PM
Thanks BW...
As for Coach C getting his first "W" at Johnson Fieldhouse for Mathew, that's fine by me as long as it's in the {b]Alumni{/b] game (which former coaches are welcome to participate in) Saturday morning...
I'll be sure to tell him. :D :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 09, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
Post by: buf on February 09, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
EC over RF 63-52.
Saw one of the best 3-point shooting performances (12-22) by a D3 team today in RF. They just simply could not miss beyond the arc for the first 3/4 of the game . And not a lot of wide open shots either. Most came with a EC player right on them. It was pretty amazing.
I also saw one of the best individual performances of the year, and that was by Michelle Burns. She had 25pts, including 2-2 from 3, and 13 rebs.
All this sets up a pretty good game on Wednesday when EC travels to Point.
Saw one of the best 3-point shooting performances (12-22) by a D3 team today in RF. They just simply could not miss beyond the arc for the first 3/4 of the game . And not a lot of wide open shots either. Most came with a EC player right on them. It was pretty amazing.
I also saw one of the best individual performances of the year, and that was by Michelle Burns. She had 25pts, including 2-2 from 3, and 13 rebs.
All this sets up a pretty good game on Wednesday when EC travels to Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 09, 2008, 09:05:59 PM
Post by: buf on February 09, 2008, 09:05:59 PM
Other results:
Point over Sup
UWW over Stout
UWL over UWO
Point over Sup
UWW over Stout
UWL over UWO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2008, 10:50:10 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2008, 10:50:10 AM
BW
Well, Mathew got the win that his mother wanted... :(
Now I want a rematch on your turf and we get the victory.... ;)
The Lady Warhawks played a very good game.
Well, Mathew got the win that his mother wanted... :(
Now I want a rematch on your turf and we get the victory.... ;)
The Lady Warhawks played a very good game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2008, 01:07:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2008, 01:07:04 PM
Stout never led and only tied once at 2-2 but they kept the game interesting and I never felt comfortable listening to it until about ten minutes remained and we'd pushed the lead up to 15-16 points.
Morton had a monster first half with 16 points and 11 rebounds. She finished with 22/16 before fouling out with 2-3 minutes remaining. Lyndsey Buechner and Heidi Sontag each added 16 points. Kelsey Hendrickson and Megan Schmidtt also reached
double figures with 10 apiece.
After scoring a program high 11 three-pointers against Stout in WHITEWATER we were only 1 of 8 this time around. That gives me the impression that Coach Thomas chose to defend the perimeter more heavily and our bigs (Morton, Buechner, Thompson and Schmidtt) did a lot of damage underneath the basket.
It was a sloppy game with 45 combined turnovers and a hack fest as the two teams combined to shoot 80 free throws.
Sweeping Stout was a significant step forward for the program. I don't know the last time we did that but I suspect is was quite a while ago.
Morton had a monster first half with 16 points and 11 rebounds. She finished with 22/16 before fouling out with 2-3 minutes remaining. Lyndsey Buechner and Heidi Sontag each added 16 points. Kelsey Hendrickson and Megan Schmidtt also reached
double figures with 10 apiece.
After scoring a program high 11 three-pointers against Stout in WHITEWATER we were only 1 of 8 this time around. That gives me the impression that Coach Thomas chose to defend the perimeter more heavily and our bigs (Morton, Buechner, Thompson and Schmidtt) did a lot of damage underneath the basket.
It was a sloppy game with 45 combined turnovers and a hack fest as the two teams combined to shoot 80 free throws.
Sweeping Stout was a significant step forward for the program. I don't know the last time we did that but I suspect is was quite a while ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 10, 2008, 01:29:12 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 10, 2008, 01:29:12 PM
BW
the Stout site said it was the 1994-95 season
the Stout site said it was the 1994-95 season
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2008, 07:25:02 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2008, 07:25:02 AM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on February 10, 2008, 01:29:12 PM
BW
the Stout site said it was the 1994-95 season
The worst year for the UW Stout program since the 1990/91 season. 16 - 9 overall and 9 - 7 in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2008, 09:32:03 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2008, 09:32:03 PM
I happened to catch the last minute of the Tennessee/Rutgers women's game. Boy, did Rutgers get screwed. Down 1, UT got an offensive rebound and just before the clock expired, it paused for a bit at .2 and the UT player ended up getting fouled. The refs even made sure to review if the foul occurred before time expired. Of course when the foul occurred, the clock read .2 (because it temporarily stopped), so the refs let the UT player shoot the FTs and she made both for the win. I think the refs had no idea that the clock had paused. If the clock ran its normal course, the foul would have occurred after the buzzer and Rutgers would have won.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 11, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 11, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Buf,
I agree with you. I am a big Tennessee fan, but I do believe the refs did get it incorrect. Rutgers did themselves no favor but letting Tennessee get two offensive rebounds in the closing seconds though. If they block out, game is over.
I agree with you. I am a big Tennessee fan, but I do believe the refs did get it incorrect. Rutgers did themselves no favor but letting Tennessee get two offensive rebounds in the closing seconds though. If they block out, game is over.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2008, 10:17:51 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2008, 10:17:51 PM
I also posted this on the Pool C board.
Women's Pool C Bid Picture by conference (through Feb 10).
Records in parenthesis are in-region records. For most conferences, I listed teams that have no more than 4 in-region losses. Some of the top conferences, I listed teams with 5 in-region losses. A point to remember is that a lot of these teams will probably obtain a pool A bid. Pool B conferences have a "B" listed beside the conference abbreviation. Corrections are welcome.
West
MIAC-St. Bens (16-4)
IIAC- Simpson (15-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Redlands (12-4), Occidental (11-3)
NWC- George Fox (12-1), Puget Sound (13-1)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (17-2), Carthage (14-4)
MWC- St. Norbert (16-2), Carroll (16-3), Lake Forest (16-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (13-3)
UAA- Rochester (15-3), Wash U (12-3), Brandeis (15-4), Chicago (13-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-3), UWW (18-1), Stevens Point (16-4), Stout (12-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (19-0), Albion (12-3)
HCAC- Kenyon (14-3)
OAC- BW (19-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (18-0), Wash & Jeff (13-3)
AMCC- Medaille (17-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (14-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (17-3), Trinity (14-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (14-3),
ODAC- Randolph Macon (15-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (19-0), McMurry (18-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (16-2), Albright (15-3), Lebanon Valley (17-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (14-3)
MACF- DeSales (19-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (15-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (19-2),Farmingdale State (15-4), Mount St Vincent (16-4)
CAC- Mary Washington (19-0), Marymount (18-2)
NJAC- Kean (20-1), New Jersey (15-5), William Patterson (16-5), Rutgers-Newark (16-5)
East
E8- Stevens (17-3)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (17-3), Oneonta State (13-4), Cortland State (12-4)
LL- William Smith (16-1), St. Lawrence (13-4)
AMCC- Medaille (17-2), Lake Erie (12-4)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-3), Amherst (20-2), Tufts (19-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (14-3)
NAC(B)- None
LEC- Southern Maine (19-2), Western Conn (15-3), Eastern Conn (17-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (16-2), Salem State (16-2)
Women's Pool C Bid Picture by conference (through Feb 10).
Records in parenthesis are in-region records. For most conferences, I listed teams that have no more than 4 in-region losses. Some of the top conferences, I listed teams with 5 in-region losses. A point to remember is that a lot of these teams will probably obtain a pool A bid. Pool B conferences have a "B" listed beside the conference abbreviation. Corrections are welcome.
West
MIAC-St. Bens (16-4)
IIAC- Simpson (15-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Redlands (12-4), Occidental (11-3)
NWC- George Fox (12-1), Puget Sound (13-1)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (17-2), Carthage (14-4)
MWC- St. Norbert (16-2), Carroll (16-3), Lake Forest (16-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (13-3)
UAA- Rochester (15-3), Wash U (12-3), Brandeis (15-4), Chicago (13-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-3), UWW (18-1), Stevens Point (16-4), Stout (12-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (19-0), Albion (12-3)
HCAC- Kenyon (14-3)
OAC- BW (19-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (18-0), Wash & Jeff (13-3)
AMCC- Medaille (17-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (14-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (17-3), Trinity (14-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (14-3),
ODAC- Randolph Macon (15-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (19-0), McMurry (18-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (16-2), Albright (15-3), Lebanon Valley (17-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (14-3)
MACF- DeSales (19-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (15-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (19-2),Farmingdale State (15-4), Mount St Vincent (16-4)
CAC- Mary Washington (19-0), Marymount (18-2)
NJAC- Kean (20-1), New Jersey (15-5), William Patterson (16-5), Rutgers-Newark (16-5)
East
E8- Stevens (17-3)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (17-3), Oneonta State (13-4), Cortland State (12-4)
LL- William Smith (16-1), St. Lawrence (13-4)
AMCC- Medaille (17-2), Lake Erie (12-4)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-3), Amherst (20-2), Tufts (19-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (14-3)
NAC(B)- None
LEC- Southern Maine (19-2), Western Conn (15-3), Eastern Conn (17-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (16-2), Salem State (16-2)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:18:29 PM
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 06:18:29 PM
First Regional Rankings are out
Central Region
1. UW-Whitewater 18-1 20-1 .628 .570
2. UW-Eau Claire 16-3 18-4 .594 .570
3. Washington U. 12-3 15-5 .646 .565
4. Illinois Wesleyan 16-2 19-2 .477 .534
5. Chicago 13-5 15-5 .623 .580
6. UW-Stevens Point 16-4 17-4 .548 .535
Central Region
1. UW-Whitewater 18-1 20-1 .628 .570
2. UW-Eau Claire 16-3 18-4 .594 .570
3. Washington U. 12-3 15-5 .646 .565
4. Illinois Wesleyan 16-2 19-2 .477 .534
5. Chicago 13-5 15-5 .623 .580
6. UW-Stevens Point 16-4 17-4 .548 .535
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2008, 10:09:05 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2008, 10:09:05 PM
Point gets a desperately needed win over Eau Claire 57-43. No details posted yet. Point had to get a victory over EC or WW (and preferably both) to improve their Pool C resume should it come to that. That Oshkosh loss will haunt them if they don't get in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 13, 2008, 10:24:39 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 13, 2008, 10:24:39 PM
Point does win at home over EC. Defense completely shuts down EC. EC didn't even shoot the ball, the threw it at the basket. Burns keeps them in it. Houghton scores 8 in a row to help Point pull away late in the second half...during the time the scoring table completely pulls a 4th and 26 (that should make sense if you're a Packer fan - or I could've referred to is as a "Favre" (see the word interception)).
With the score noosed at 33 each, Houghton hits a pair of throws after knocking down two 3's in a row. There's a timeout and your score is 41 -33 Point...right? Nope. The officiating, which was pretty terrible (numerous delays to get the number right on fouls) doesn't notice the discrepancy...the scoreboard operator doesn't notice. The SCORE BOOK doesn't notice. Play continues and it's absolutely pandemonium. Parents of players ready to riot - your score 39-35. Point takes a full and after about TEN minutes the play by play finally proves the error (which obviously was on video). Not sure how that would have worked out had they not changed it - can you even play under protest?
Regardless, EC just couldn't throw it in the ocean and honestly (I'm sure I'll get some poop writing this) I'm really not impressed with EC. This is the team leading the conference? Really? I expected Duke out there. They must be working that Zorn magic up there in Eau Claire. Not taking away from there athleticism, but I think Point's a better team. Good game to watch though.
I think regardless of the next couple of games, WW goes 1, EC 2 and SP 3. Should be an exciting tourny! Oh, and for you breast cancer awareness folks - SP wore PINK UNIFORMS! WOW!
With the score noosed at 33 each, Houghton hits a pair of throws after knocking down two 3's in a row. There's a timeout and your score is 41 -33 Point...right? Nope. The officiating, which was pretty terrible (numerous delays to get the number right on fouls) doesn't notice the discrepancy...the scoreboard operator doesn't notice. The SCORE BOOK doesn't notice. Play continues and it's absolutely pandemonium. Parents of players ready to riot - your score 39-35. Point takes a full and after about TEN minutes the play by play finally proves the error (which obviously was on video). Not sure how that would have worked out had they not changed it - can you even play under protest?
Regardless, EC just couldn't throw it in the ocean and honestly (I'm sure I'll get some poop writing this) I'm really not impressed with EC. This is the team leading the conference? Really? I expected Duke out there. They must be working that Zorn magic up there in Eau Claire. Not taking away from there athleticism, but I think Point's a better team. Good game to watch though.
I think regardless of the next couple of games, WW goes 1, EC 2 and SP 3. Should be an exciting tourny! Oh, and for you breast cancer awareness folks - SP wore PINK UNIFORMS! WOW!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 10:30:46 PM
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 10:30:46 PM
UW-La Crosse 69, UW-River Falls 61
UW-Stevens Point 57, UW-Eau Claire 43
UW-Stout 73, UW-Superior 45
UW-Whitewater 94, UW-Platteville 64
UW-Stevens Point 57, UW-Eau Claire 43
UW-Stout 73, UW-Superior 45
UW-Whitewater 94, UW-Platteville 64
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 10:35:14 PM
Post by: buf on February 13, 2008, 10:35:14 PM
EC is just way too inconsistent on the road offensively. Usually you know what your going to get from their defense whether at home or on the road. But its the offense that you don't know whats going to happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2008, 07:32:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2008, 07:32:41 AM
Three WIAC Players Earn All Decade Team Honors
Here is the link to the story at d3hoops.com
http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/all-decade/women-thirdteam.html (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/all-decade/women-thirdteam.html)
Third Team members
Center Kelsey Duoss
UW-Stout, 2004-07
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3hoops.com%2Fimages%2F2006%2Fuwsduossbyrjc.jpg&hash=cabeffbadc44c39269082cb73c1a4c9a49ae02e4)
Guard Jayme Anderson
Beloit/UW-Eau Claire, 1997-2000
No photo in article.
Fourth Team member
Forward Amanda Nechuta
UW-Stevens Point, 2001-05
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3hoops.com%2Fimages%2F2004%2Fuwspnechuta.jpg&hash=40de6da70eba5b232c0c57978006638b4bdc44cf)
Saw Kelsey last weekend at the UW Stout Alumni game prior to the UWW/Stout game. It was great to see her and her parents Andy and Vickie again. Really nice people!!!
Here is the link to the story at d3hoops.com
http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/all-decade/women-thirdteam.html (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/all-decade/women-thirdteam.html)
Third Team members
Center Kelsey Duoss
UW-Stout, 2004-07
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3hoops.com%2Fimages%2F2006%2Fuwsduossbyrjc.jpg&hash=cabeffbadc44c39269082cb73c1a4c9a49ae02e4)
Guard Jayme Anderson
Beloit/UW-Eau Claire, 1997-2000
No photo in article.
Fourth Team member
Forward Amanda Nechuta
UW-Stevens Point, 2001-05
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3hoops.com%2Fimages%2F2004%2Fuwspnechuta.jpg&hash=40de6da70eba5b232c0c57978006638b4bdc44cf)
Saw Kelsey last weekend at the UW Stout Alumni game prior to the UWW/Stout game. It was great to see her and her parents Andy and Vickie again. Really nice people!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2008, 09:26:15 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2008, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 13, 2008, 10:24:39 PM
With the score noosed at 33 each, Houghton hits a pair of throws after knocking down two 3's in a row. There's a timeout and your score is 41 -33 Point...right? Nope. The officiating, which was pretty terrible (numerous delays to get the number right on fouls) doesn't notice the discrepancy...the scoreboard operator doesn't notice. The SCORE BOOK doesn't notice. Play continues and it's absolutely pandemonium. Parents of players ready to riot - your score 39-35. Point takes a full and after about TEN minutes the play by play finally proves the error (which obviously was on video). Not sure how that would have worked out had they not changed it - can you even play under protest?
People get all excited about the scoreboard but fail to realize that while it is the offical time it is not the official score. The official score is kept by the scorer in the book. So he/she would have had to enter in eight points on the pair of free throws for the official score to be incorrect. They may not have noticed that the timer made a mistake putting the points on the board but I doubt he/she entered eight points in the book. Of course you want to have it correct and if the timer and scorer are communicating they'll discover it pretty quickly. Also scoring errors are correctable at any time prior to the officials leaving the gym even if one is discovered after time has expired. So there's no reason for absolute pandemonium, near rioting etc. Though people get all excited and intense.
As the timer in WHITEWATER I'll state a team's score after every point is scored and the scorer will state his score so we'll know immediately if something is amiss. It's really a matter of the staff at the table working as a team.
BTW, the officials don't keep a foul count so if there were delays to get that straight look at the scorer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2008, 10:01:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2008, 10:01:55 AM
The WARHAWKS quickly dispatched Platteville by holding the Pioneer to 22% shooting and 18 points in the first half while draining 6 of 13 three point attempts and reeking havoc with the Platteville guards with their full court pressure defense for eight steals several of which turned into easy baskets. It wasn't pretty for the few Pioneer fans who made the trip.
Behind Lisa Wubben Platteville shot much better in the second half but the WARHAWKS did as well and though Platteville reduced the deficit to under 20 points in the first few minutes of play there was little doubt of the outcome.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 24 points including 5 of 7 from beyond the arch. Tiffany Morton added 16, Megan Schmidtt, who continues to come off the bench and give the team solid minutes, added 15 and Heidi Sonntag chipped in 11. WW distributed the ball well with 24 assists on 32 made baskets and their defense forced 26 Pioneer turnovers, 16 of which were steals. Eight different WARHAWKS recorded steals.
Wobben, after getting only 2 points in the first half, finished with 21 to lead Platteville. She's a nice player.
Behind Lisa Wubben Platteville shot much better in the second half but the WARHAWKS did as well and though Platteville reduced the deficit to under 20 points in the first few minutes of play there was little doubt of the outcome.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 24 points including 5 of 7 from beyond the arch. Tiffany Morton added 16, Megan Schmidtt, who continues to come off the bench and give the team solid minutes, added 15 and Heidi Sonntag chipped in 11. WW distributed the ball well with 24 assists on 32 made baskets and their defense forced 26 Pioneer turnovers, 16 of which were steals. Eight different WARHAWKS recorded steals.
Wobben, after getting only 2 points in the first half, finished with 21 to lead Platteville. She's a nice player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
They didn't make a mistake with the 8 points - sorry if I didn't make it clear. It was just a few minutes of people going nuts. Point (Houghton) was on an 8-0 run. Houghton hit two threes and it was 39-33. She then sank some throws and the score should have read 41-33 but it read 39-35.
It was crazy watching parents and fans - seriously thought they were going to take the floor. The thing was is there was a time out and the play continued. The error WASN'T fixed. EC played dumb and Point sat there with their shoulders shrugged. I think they even had it wrong in the book!
Regardless, after several tense minutes during a Point timeout they got it right. I was waiting for coach Egner to throw out the challenge flag. As far as the fouls, it was the official not remembering what number of jersey or player they were calling a foul on.
Just sad to see in a big game. A lot of time was wasted and players sat around waiting for refs to get it right.
It was crazy watching parents and fans - seriously thought they were going to take the floor. The thing was is there was a time out and the play continued. The error WASN'T fixed. EC played dumb and Point sat there with their shoulders shrugged. I think they even had it wrong in the book!
Regardless, after several tense minutes during a Point timeout they got it right. I was waiting for coach Egner to throw out the challenge flag. As far as the fouls, it was the official not remembering what number of jersey or player they were calling a foul on.
Just sad to see in a big game. A lot of time was wasted and players sat around waiting for refs to get it right.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2008, 11:14:54 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2008, 11:14:54 AM
So the scoreboard operator put two UWSP free throws on the UWEC side of the scoreboard, and then it got fixed. Big whoop.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2008, 11:33:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2008, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
They didn't make a mistake with the 8 points - sorry if I didn't make it clear. It was just a few minutes of people going nuts. Point (Houghton) was on an 8-0 run. Houghton hit two threes and it was 39-33. She then sank some throws and the score should have read 41-33 but it read 39-35.
It was crazy watching parents and fans - seriously thought they were going to take the floor. The thing was is there was a time out and the play continued. The error WASN'T fixed. EC played dumb and Point sat there with their shoulders shrugged. I think they even had it wrong in the book!
Regardless, after several tense minutes during a Point timeout they got it right. I was waiting for coach Egner to throw out the challenge flag. As far as the fouls, it was the official not remembering what number of jersey or player they were calling a foul on.
Just sad to see in a big game. A lot of time was wasted and players sat around waiting for refs to get it right.
No problem. Actually now that I've read you post again it's clearer to me than the first time. Sorry about that I wasn't meaning to jump on you or anything. It sounds like there was some sloppiness all the way around. Fortunately it was all straightened out before SWAT had to be called in. :D
I've sat at the table in WHITEWATER as either the timer or scorer for a number of years and after awhile you simply begin to marvel at the stupid things spectators shout and do. Sometimes it simply amazes me.
Oh and Thank You Pointers. Hopefully you've got that out of your system now. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 04:34:05 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 04:34:05 PM
JB - it was kind of a big deal when you were at the game. People were excited and during a serious game it was sort of detrimental to either team with the delays having to wait around...just explaining the atmosphere that's all. Ok with you tool bag?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 14, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
Looks like both games at Point will be rather exciting this Saturday. Looking forward to some packed houses! Should be a pretty big whoop!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 14, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 13, 2008, 10:24:39 PMI think regardless of the next couple of games, WW goes 1, EC 2 and SP 3. Should be an exciting tourny!
Last time I checked, Point and Stout are tied win 9 wins and 4 losses in the WIAC.
Stout plays at LaCrosse, River Falls and at Eau Claire.
UWSP plays UWW, at LaCrosse and at Platteville.
Seems to me that what happens in the last three games will determine who the #3 and #4 seeds are. It's entirely possible for one of our teams (or both) to win all three games. It's also possible to lose all three games.
I am looking forward to an exciting tourney, and hopefully Stout will get the opportunity to travel to WW to play for the WIAC Tournament Championship!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2008, 09:11:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2008, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 14, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
I am looking forward to an exciting tourney, and hopefully Stout will get the opportunity to travel to WW to play for the WIAC Tournament Championship!!!
I'm cool with that. ;D
Prior to EC's loss to Point and assuming both won out to tie for the championship the #1 seed would have been determined by a coin toss because the two teams were equal in all of the preceding criteria. However EC's loss throws all that up in the air. However if WW can beat Point the tie breaker would go to the WARHAWKS if the two teams should end up tied based on a 2-0 record against Point vs EC's 1-1.
But all that is for a later, though rapidly approaching, day and the beating Point in the Quandt thing is a difficult task.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2008, 09:11:11 AM
But all that is for a later, though rapidly approaching, day and the beating Point in the Quandt thing is a difficult task.
I pray that WW will be in Quandt trying to beat Point. That means Point will be upstairs in Berg Gym scoring uncontested baskets. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2008, 11:51:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2008, 11:51:58 AM
I pray we show up in the correct gymnasium.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 16, 2008, 03:58:24 PM
Post by: buf on February 16, 2008, 03:58:24 PM
Early scores:
RF rolls UWO 71-55
Sup puts forth a good effort but falls, 55-46, to UWP
RF rolls UWO 71-55
Sup puts forth a good effort but falls, 55-46, to UWP
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 04:53:27 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 04:53:27 PM
SP up 27-25 at the half. WW puts up 18 first half free throws. Radio guys not thrilled with the officiating.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 05:24:55 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 05:24:55 PM
SP's Nuenfeldt is ejected for a flagrant foul. SP will have to battle without her...didn't catch the details but the radio announcers are doing all but making fun of the officiating at this point...sounds like a scrappy game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Point wins 64-62. WW misses a chance to tie and sounds like she was fouled...story of this game. Shakes things up some more for the WIAC. You gotta hate the loss to UWO if you're Point. Needless to say, home court will likely decide things in the tourny. You gotta hope we get 3 WIAC teams in - heck I keep forgetting Stout, should be four teams in!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 16, 2008, 07:44:27 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 16, 2008, 07:44:27 PM
Shake things up a bit more...
UWL snaps a 26-game losing streak to Stout in La Crosse today, a 60-57 win over the Blue Devils....
So down the stretch we come, with conference standings as such for the final week:
Whitewater 12-2, 21-1 = at Oshkosh, host River Falls
Eau Claire 12-2, 18-5 = host Platteville, host Stout
Stevens Point 10-4, 19-4 = at La Crosse, at Platteville
Stout 9-5, 15-8 = host River Falls, at Eau Claire
La Crosse 9-6, 14-10 = host Stevens Point, off
Platteville 5-9, 11-12 = at Eau Claire, host Stevens Point
Oshkosh 4-10, 9-14 = host Whitewater, host Superior
River Falls 2-12, 8-15 = at Stout, at Whitewater
Superior 1-14, 4-19 = off, at Oshkosh
UWL snaps a 26-game losing streak to Stout in La Crosse today, a 60-57 win over the Blue Devils....
So down the stretch we come, with conference standings as such for the final week:
Whitewater 12-2, 21-1 = at Oshkosh, host River Falls
Eau Claire 12-2, 18-5 = host Platteville, host Stout
Stevens Point 10-4, 19-4 = at La Crosse, at Platteville
Stout 9-5, 15-8 = host River Falls, at Eau Claire
La Crosse 9-6, 14-10 = host Stevens Point, off
Platteville 5-9, 11-12 = at Eau Claire, host Stevens Point
Oshkosh 4-10, 9-14 = host Whitewater, host Superior
River Falls 2-12, 8-15 = at Stout, at Whitewater
Superior 1-14, 4-19 = off, at Oshkosh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 16, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 16, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
QuoteSuperior puts forth a good effort but falls 55-46 to UWP
I think that's being generous to say Superior put forth a good effort. Superior women include a lopsided number of freshmen, but by this time in the season, they should at least be able to pass the ball. The most promising players spend way too much time on the bench; the point guard can't seem to see the floor; there doesn't seem to be an attempt to hustle anywhere. The lone senior fouled out tonight, and I can only guess it was sweet relief for her to get out of that mess.
Seriously, I think a decent high school team would shred UWS.
The only reason the final score was as close as it was is that Platteville played almost as badly. I'd say they played about nine points better. The most telling part of the quality of play was when the player receiving the inbound pass nearly got hit in the face, because she was looking down the court instead of at the inbounder. This happened to both teams and neither was being pressed at the time. Come on. At least the players should be paying attention.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2008, 02:03:17 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2008, 02:03:17 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 16, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
Point wins 64-62. WW misses a chance to tie and sounds like she was fouled...story of this game. Shakes things up some more for the WIAC. You gotta hate the loss to UWO if you're Point. Needless to say, home court will likely decide things in the tourny. You gotta hope we get 3 WIAC teams in - heck I keep forgetting Stout, should be four teams in!
I don't know why I am cocking off right now because Stout did lose "again" today, but I will anyway. keep "forgetting Stout" because I think this Stout team is still going to make someone pay. Three conference championships and three tournament championships in the last three years, you would think that some of you people would remember that Stout is still in this conference. Anyone guarding Julia Hirssig in the conference tournament will, I think, remember that Stout still competes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2008, 10:04:39 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2008, 10:04:39 AM
shootfromthearc said Stout deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament. Ooooh, such disrespect! ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 17, 2008, 12:03:37 PM
Post by: billys on February 17, 2008, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2008, 10:04:39 AMI know right? I was beat up for picking them fourth at the start of the year.
shootfromthearc said Stout deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament. Ooooh, such disrespect! ::)
Me thinks if Stout is going to "make someone pay" yet this season, they will want to avoid the Warhawks.
On another note, it looks like if both EC and WW win out it will come down to a coin flip? With the teams having split winning at home and both losing at Point all the tiebreakers are even until the flip! Quite the important coin flip; no #1 seed has ever lost a conference tournament game :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2008, 12:19:15 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2008, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2008, 10:04:39 AM
shootfromthearc said Stout deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament. Ooooh, such disrespect! ::)
The "disrespect" word is yours, not mine. I was referring to the "I keep forgetting about Stout" reference. Was not intended to stir the pot but to make the point that the Stout program has plenty to be proud of lately regardless of what happens this year. And it is just my opinion that Hirssig and company could still make some noise yet this year. I thought it was okay to have an opinion about future games on this board. Sorry I lost my head.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 17, 2008, 04:58:25 PM
Post by: buf on February 17, 2008, 04:58:25 PM
There could be a lot of teams making some noise:
UWRF has come a long way. Their a dangerous team to play because of their ability to get hot from 3, as EC found out.
UWL has also improved quite a bit as the season has progressed. The addition of Churchill and the aggressive play by Hunter has them right behind Stout in the standings.
In recent weeks Stout is playing better. Stout is now getting the ball to their best player more often.
I just don't see Superior, UWP and UWO making much noise in the tournament. Not that these teams can't win, but I think if I were a top conference team, I wouldn't mind too much seeing them in the first round compared to the other conference teams.
UWRF has come a long way. Their a dangerous team to play because of their ability to get hot from 3, as EC found out.
UWL has also improved quite a bit as the season has progressed. The addition of Churchill and the aggressive play by Hunter has them right behind Stout in the standings.
In recent weeks Stout is playing better. Stout is now getting the ball to their best player more often.
I just don't see Superior, UWP and UWO making much noise in the tournament. Not that these teams can't win, but I think if I were a top conference team, I wouldn't mind too much seeing them in the first round compared to the other conference teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 17, 2008, 08:24:44 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 17, 2008, 08:24:44 PM
How many teams does everyone think will make the NCAAs from the WIAC?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 17, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
Post by: buf on February 17, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
Here's an updated list of Pool C contenders (by conference, regional record listed):
2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 17)
West
MIAC- St. Bens (18-4)
IIAC- Simpson (17-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (13-3)
NWC- George Fox (13-2), Puget Sound (14-2)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (19-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (18-2), Carroll (16-4), Lake Forest (18-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (15-3)
UAA- Rochester (16-4), Wash U (13-4), Brandeis (17-4), Chicago (15-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-4), UWW (19-2), Stevens Point (18-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (21-0), Albion (14-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (16-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (21-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (14-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (16-3)
SCAC- DePauw (20-1), Oglethorpe (18-3), Trinity (16-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (16-3)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (17-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (21-0), McMurry (20-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (18-2), Albright (17-3), Lebanon Valley (19-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (16-4)
MACF- DeSales (21-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (17-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (21-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (20-1), Marymount (19-3)
NJAC- Kean (20-2), New Jersey (17-5), William Patterson (18-5), Rutgers-Newark (18-5)
East
E8- Stevens (19-4)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (19-3), Cortland State (14-4)
LL- William Smith (17-2), St. Lawrence (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2), Lake Erie (14-4)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-5), Amherst (21-2), Tufts (21-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (15-4)
NAC(B)- None
LEC- Southern Maine (21-2), Western Conn (16-4), Eastern Conn (19-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (17-2), Salem State (18-2)
2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 17)
West
MIAC- St. Bens (18-4)
IIAC- Simpson (17-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (13-3)
NWC- George Fox (13-2), Puget Sound (14-2)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (19-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (18-2), Carroll (16-4), Lake Forest (18-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (15-3)
UAA- Rochester (16-4), Wash U (13-4), Brandeis (17-4), Chicago (15-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (16-4), UWW (19-2), Stevens Point (18-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (21-0), Albion (14-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (16-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (21-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (14-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (16-3)
SCAC- DePauw (20-1), Oglethorpe (18-3), Trinity (16-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (16-3)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (17-3)
ASC- Howard Payne (21-0), McMurry (20-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (18-2), Albright (17-3), Lebanon Valley (19-3)
PnAC- Misericordia (16-4)
MACF- DeSales (21-3)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (17-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (21-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (20-1), Marymount (19-3)
NJAC- Kean (20-2), New Jersey (17-5), William Patterson (18-5), Rutgers-Newark (18-5)
East
E8- Stevens (19-4)
SUNYAC- Brockport State (19-3), Cortland State (14-4)
LL- William Smith (17-2), St. Lawrence (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (19-2), Lake Erie (14-4)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(15-5), Amherst (21-2), Tufts (21-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (15-4)
NAC(B)- None
LEC- Southern Maine (21-2), Western Conn (16-4), Eastern Conn (19-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (17-2), Salem State (18-2)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 17, 2008, 10:53:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 17, 2008, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 17, 2008, 08:24:44 PM
How many teams does everyone think will make the NCAAs from the WIAC?
Well, UWW will most likely be in as a Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tournament. So right now I would consider them in.
I would say EC needs to win both their games next week and at least one in the conference tourney. If they do that, I think they would be sitting at a better than average position for a Pool C bid. EC has a good OWP and OOWP rating which should help. What may hurt EC are those 2 non-conference losses (Chicago, Gustavus). Chicago is now currently sitting on the bubble for Pool C. EC fans will want to root for Chicago to lose at least once, better if they lose twice. Remember, UAA does not play a conference tournament which is a big advantage for the teams in their conference that don't get the Pool A bid but are still in contention for Pool C. IF EC does lose this upcoming week and then in the conference tourney, I think that they will be on the outside of the Pool C bubble looking in, needing a lot of help to get in.
Point is now back in the Pool C picture after a big time week. At this time, I feel that Point also needs to win both games this week and at least once in the conference tournament. Point's problem is their OWP/OOWP. It is not as good as EC's, but should improve after playing 2 tough teams this week. Point just didn't play good non-conference teams (except for the holiday tournament). If Point were to lose this upcoming week and in the conference tourney, I think that they will be out of the pool C picture.
Stout's loss to Lax most likely took them out of the pool C picture.
EC and Point fans also need to root for the top teams (regional record wise) to win their conference tourneys. The more upsets that take place, the less pool C bids to go around.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
I expect some shake ups in the central region rankings this week after the top 3 teams all take losses. Can't wait till Wednesday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2008, 02:30:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 18, 2008, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
I expect some shake ups in the central region rankings this week after the top 3 teams all take losses. Can't wait till Wednesday!
Here is my guess:
1. UWW
2. Ill. Wes.
3. EC
4. Wash U
5. Stevens Point
6. Chicago
I think that I will get #1 and #2 correct, but spots 3-6 are a toss up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 18, 2008, 03:10:58 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 18, 2008, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 17, 2008, 12:19:15 PMQuote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2008, 10:04:39 AM
shootfromthearc said Stout deserved to be in the NCAA Tournament. Ooooh, such disrespect! ::)
The "disrespect" word is yours, not mine. I was referring to the "I keep forgetting about Stout" reference. Was not intended to stir the pot but to make the point that the Stout program has plenty to be proud of lately regardless of what happens this year. And it is just my opinion that Hirssig and company could still make some noise yet this year. I thought it was okay to have an opinion about future games on this board. Sorry I lost my head.
All good Stoutguy - I certainly wasn't referring to forgetting them as a knock on them...they could EASILY win the conference tourny. Clearly they've had Point's number this year. It's just the annual complaint that there's so much talent in this conference and it's just a shame to see no more than 2 teams getting in - if we're lucky! It's usually only one.
Everyone who watches women's hoops up here knows that 3 WIAC teams could make it deep into the tournament, but because it's so competitive and each great team can tack a couple of losses to you, you now walk that line of not getting in with your 4th or 5th loss. Several years ago Point went 20-5, the year after winning the title and didn't get into the tournament!
Regardless, it's going to see how our representative(s) match up in the post season. Looking forward to it...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 18, 2008, 07:02:30 PM
Post by: billys on February 18, 2008, 07:02:30 PM
I think it's been bouncing back and forth a little bit. Two seasons ago I thought four teams (Stout, Oshkosh, Point, and La Crosse) could do post season damage and everyone throughout the league was pretty solid.
Last year, I remember writing that it definitely wasn't a year where multiple teams deserved to go ... even Stout lost to a bad Finlandia team; last year it felt like the league was just down.
This year the top is back to being real good ... the bottom four are probably worse as a group than they've been in awhile; young, inexperienced, whatever. I'd definitely saw Whitewater and Eau Claire can do major damage this year and Point proved with some impressive non-conference wins that they belong in the mix as well.
Interestingly, Stout probably cost themselves by playing D-2's. I know you're going to defend them by saying their playing the best but because of it they don't have any non-con wins over +.500 D-3 teams. As you've mentioned; I'm sure they weren't getting in with 5 conference (+tournament) losses but a couple impressive D3 wins would have helped.
The top is definitely BACK this year.
Last year, I remember writing that it definitely wasn't a year where multiple teams deserved to go ... even Stout lost to a bad Finlandia team; last year it felt like the league was just down.
This year the top is back to being real good ... the bottom four are probably worse as a group than they've been in awhile; young, inexperienced, whatever. I'd definitely saw Whitewater and Eau Claire can do major damage this year and Point proved with some impressive non-conference wins that they belong in the mix as well.
Interestingly, Stout probably cost themselves by playing D-2's. I know you're going to defend them by saying their playing the best but because of it they don't have any non-con wins over +.500 D-3 teams. As you've mentioned; I'm sure they weren't getting in with 5 conference (+tournament) losses but a couple impressive D3 wins would have helped.
The top is definitely BACK this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2008, 12:24:10 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2008, 12:24:10 AM
I am just wondering who people think should be the conference player of the year. I think Hirssig has the best numbers in leading the conference in scoring and rebounding. Stout's lower than usual place in the conference standings might hurt though. I was also thinking that Burns, Morton, and Hendrickson will be in the conversation. If I had to pick, I would probably pick Burns coming into the last week of conference play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 19, 2008, 10:34:49 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 19, 2008, 10:34:49 AM
I don't see how one of the two players from WW don't get it...I think there are a lot of deserving players in the conference too. Whomever they decide, I'm sure it'll be well deserved. God this conference rocks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2008, 10:59:47 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2008, 10:59:47 AM
Anyone want to venture a guess on All-WIAC? Don't shoot me if you don't like mine, I'm just making my best guess.
In alphabetical order:
Arciszewski, EC
Burns, EC
Hendrickson, WW
Hirssig, ST
Houghton, SP
Hunter, LC
Morton, WW
Neuenfeldt, SP
Tyriver, OSH
Wubben, PLT
I found 8 to be relatively easy picks. My last two were tough.
In alphabetical order:
Arciszewski, EC
Burns, EC
Hendrickson, WW
Hirssig, ST
Houghton, SP
Hunter, LC
Morton, WW
Neuenfeldt, SP
Tyriver, OSH
Wubben, PLT
I found 8 to be relatively easy picks. My last two were tough.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 19, 2008, 02:25:09 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 19, 2008, 02:25:09 PM
I like all of those picks as well...you don't see Kranz in that mix?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2008, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2008, 02:47:53 PM
I certainly considered her, but I had a hard time justifying three Pointers, especially when only one of them scores in double figures. I guess I felt that Neuenfeldt was just a little more valuable to Point's success. Only 10 spots to go around after all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 12:43:08 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 12:43:08 PM
Anyone else surprised that Hirssig was player of the week in the WIAC. She obviously had the numbers to deserve it, but I was just surprised because they went 1-1 and not 2-0 like La Crosse and SP did. She did have an outstanding week, but I thought it usually went to a player on a team that had a good week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2008, 01:10:27 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2008, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 12:43:08 PM
Anyone else surprised that Hirssig was player of the week in the WIAC. She obviously had the numbers to deserve it, but I was just surprised because they went 1-1 and not 2-0 like La Crosse and SP did. She did have an outstanding week, but I thought it usually went to a player on a team that had a good week.
Not surprised at all. She had a fantastic week. How many times has a player shot as well as 17-21 from the floor? Probably happens only once or twice a season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 12:43:08 PM
Anyone else surprised that Hirssig was player of the week in the WIAC. She obviously had the numbers to deserve it, but I was just surprised because they went 1-1 and not 2-0 like La Crosse and SP did. She did have an outstanding week, but I thought it usually went to a player on a team that had a good week.
That is why you are "Usuallywrong." :D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 01:23:53 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: buf on February 20, 2008, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 20, 2008, 12:43:08 PM
Anyone else surprised that Hirssig was player of the week in the WIAC. She obviously had the numbers to deserve it, but I was just surprised because they went 1-1 and not 2-0 like La Crosse and SP did. She did have an outstanding week, but I thought it usually went to a player on a team that had a good week.
Not surprised at all. She had a fantastic week. How many times has a player shot as well as 17-21 from the floor? Probably happens only once or twice a season.
Understandable, I just thought that there was some players on LAX and SP who were also deserving and should have maybe received it as their teams went 2-0 and beat some very good teams. No real argument on my side, just trying to get some more convo on here!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2008, 03:33:03 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2008, 03:33:03 PM
Hirssig joins the select ranks of those with multiple POW's this season. Burns and Morton are the other two.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2008, 04:52:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2008, 04:52:22 PM
This weeks regional rankings are out, and me likes what I see.
Central
1 UW-Whitewater 21-2 19-2
2 UW-Eau Claire 18-5 16-4
3 UW-Stevens Point 19-4 18-4
4 Illinois Wesleyan 21-2 18-2
5 Washington U. 16-6 13-4
6 Chicago 17-5 15-5
Central
1 UW-Whitewater 21-2 19-2
2 UW-Eau Claire 18-5 16-4
3 UW-Stevens Point 19-4 18-4
4 Illinois Wesleyan 21-2 18-2
5 Washington U. 16-6 13-4
6 Chicago 17-5 15-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2008, 10:19:24 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2008, 10:19:24 PM
Finals tonight -
UWEC 76, Platteville 67
Whitewater 86, Oshkosh 78
Stevens Point 62, UWL 48
Stout 82, UWRF 53
Standings heading into the finale on Saturday:
Whitewater 13-2, 22-2 = host River Falls
Eau Claire 13-2, 19-5 = host Stout
Stevens Point 11-4, 20-4 = at Platteville
Stout 10, 16-8 = at Eau Claire
La Crosse 9-7, 14-11 = off
Platteville 5-10, 11-13 = host Stevens Point
Oshkosh 4-11, 9-15 = host Superior
River Falls 2-13, 8-16 = at Whitewater
Superior 1-14, 4-19 = at Oshkosh
UWEC 76, Platteville 67
Whitewater 86, Oshkosh 78
Stevens Point 62, UWL 48
Stout 82, UWRF 53
Standings heading into the finale on Saturday:
Whitewater 13-2, 22-2 = host River Falls
Eau Claire 13-2, 19-5 = host Stout
Stevens Point 11-4, 20-4 = at Platteville
Stout 10, 16-8 = at Eau Claire
La Crosse 9-7, 14-11 = off
Platteville 5-10, 11-13 = host Stevens Point
Oshkosh 4-11, 9-15 = host Superior
River Falls 2-13, 8-16 = at Whitewater
Superior 1-14, 4-19 = at Oshkosh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2008, 10:34:56 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2008, 10:34:56 PM
Three seniors step up for the Blugolds, who saw a 37-22 halftime lead shrink, and one as big as 21, to 74-67 with 41 seconds left...
Michelle Burns leads the way for UWEC with a double-double (26 points, 10 boards), Amanda Zenner adds 14 (on 7-11 from the field) and Rachel Mueggenborg chips in 11. Heidi Aricsewski has 9 boards; Missy Fremsted has 6...
Platteville was led in scoring by Lisa Grantman (18), Lisa Wubben (16) and Megan Guernsey (11).
Big differences were in rebounds, as UWEC had a 42-25 advantage, and in shooting percentage. Golds were 16-32 for 50% in the first half, while the Pioneers struggled, at 6-25 (24%)...
The Blugolds have positioned themselves for a chance to share a conference title on Saturday against Stout. Should be a good one... Alumni games tip before the doubleheader from Zorn...
Pointers are really playing well down the stretch here... After Saturday, who'll be the one to win three in a row??? ;)
Michelle Burns leads the way for UWEC with a double-double (26 points, 10 boards), Amanda Zenner adds 14 (on 7-11 from the field) and Rachel Mueggenborg chips in 11. Heidi Aricsewski has 9 boards; Missy Fremsted has 6...
Platteville was led in scoring by Lisa Grantman (18), Lisa Wubben (16) and Megan Guernsey (11).
Big differences were in rebounds, as UWEC had a 42-25 advantage, and in shooting percentage. Golds were 16-32 for 50% in the first half, while the Pioneers struggled, at 6-25 (24%)...
The Blugolds have positioned themselves for a chance to share a conference title on Saturday against Stout. Should be a good one... Alumni games tip before the doubleheader from Zorn...
Pointers are really playing well down the stretch here... After Saturday, who'll be the one to win three in a row??? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 20, 2008, 10:39:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 20, 2008, 10:39:39 PM
Whitewater beats the Teen Titans in a high scoring affair.
Whitewater was 18/37 from the free throw line...perhaps the only downer they had all night.
Whitewater was 18/37 from the free throw line...perhaps the only downer they had all night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2008, 09:14:20 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 21, 2008, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: buf on February 20, 2008, 04:52:22 PM
This weeks regional rankings are out, and me likes what I see.
Central
1 UW-Whitewater 21-2 19-2
2 UW-Eau Claire 18-5 16-4
3 UW-Stevens Point 19-4 18-4
4 Illinois Wesleyan 21-2 18-2
5 Washington U. 16-6 13-4
6 Chicago 17-5 15-5
That rocks. Period. Let's go WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2008, 06:26:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2008, 06:26:05 PM
Well, time to try and catch up on my posting.... ;D
Regretfully, UWL, as I predicted upset someone... :( After coming so close so many times they finally knocked off one of the top four teams in the WIAC - and it was Stout last Saturday. I posted that it could happen, but didn't want the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils to be the victim!!!
Last night I made the trip to Menomonie to see the UWRF game. River kept it close for the first 8 minutes, but then Stout's pressure started to affect the Falcons and the Lady Devils opened up an 11 point lead at the half.
In the second half, that 11 point lead grew to 20 in the first 2.5 minutes. It grew to as much as 33, but ended with a 29 point advantage at the final buzzer.
Stout played their entire bench, and all but one player scored points. Julia Hirssig lead the scoring with 18 points in just 19 minutes of play. She just missed a double/double, finishing with 9 rebounds. Stout's 3 point shooting was 9 - 19, led by Lindsey Gerber who hit 3 of 3 from beyond the arc.
I'm not sure, but I think the officials were having trouble keeping up with the game... They kept calling fouls on Stout, but many of us in the stands couldn't understand what they were calling... I think they just needed the rest.... ;) ;D :o
I've never seen Charlee Edwards foul out in three years of watching her play, yet last night in only 20 minutes of action, she was whistled 5 times... ???
Next up, UWEC. Like to get the win their and have Platteville upset the Pointers so we could be the #3 seed. It could happen. Regardless, we have a home playoff game on Tuesday night, but after that it's on the road.
Maybe Stout could be the first team in WIAC history to win the Tournament on the road!!!! 8)
Regretfully, UWL, as I predicted upset someone... :( After coming so close so many times they finally knocked off one of the top four teams in the WIAC - and it was Stout last Saturday. I posted that it could happen, but didn't want the Runnin' Lady Blue Devils to be the victim!!!
Last night I made the trip to Menomonie to see the UWRF game. River kept it close for the first 8 minutes, but then Stout's pressure started to affect the Falcons and the Lady Devils opened up an 11 point lead at the half.
In the second half, that 11 point lead grew to 20 in the first 2.5 minutes. It grew to as much as 33, but ended with a 29 point advantage at the final buzzer.
Stout played their entire bench, and all but one player scored points. Julia Hirssig lead the scoring with 18 points in just 19 minutes of play. She just missed a double/double, finishing with 9 rebounds. Stout's 3 point shooting was 9 - 19, led by Lindsey Gerber who hit 3 of 3 from beyond the arc.
I'm not sure, but I think the officials were having trouble keeping up with the game... They kept calling fouls on Stout, but many of us in the stands couldn't understand what they were calling... I think they just needed the rest.... ;) ;D :o
I've never seen Charlee Edwards foul out in three years of watching her play, yet last night in only 20 minutes of action, she was whistled 5 times... ???
Next up, UWEC. Like to get the win their and have Platteville upset the Pointers so we could be the #3 seed. It could happen. Regardless, we have a home playoff game on Tuesday night, but after that it's on the road.
Maybe Stout could be the first team in WIAC history to win the Tournament on the road!!!! 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 21, 2008, 06:26:05 PMWithout looking at the tiebreakers, I think Point has secured the #3 seed. If Point were to lose and Stout were to win on Saturday, they would then have the same conference record. They split during the regular season and would (hypothetically) have split against EC. However, Point went 1-1 against UWW while Stout went 0-2.
Next up, UWEC. Like to get the win their and have Platteville upset the Pointers so we could be the #3 seed. It could happen. Regardless, we have a home playoff game on Tuesday night, but after that it's on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2008, 07:54:20 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2008, 07:54:20 AM
You're right buf...
They do look at the record of teams above first, then look at the record of teams below.
My mistake.
Either way, odds were that we would only get one playoff game at home - even if we were the #3 seed. To win the tourney, we will have to win 2 road games.
They do look at the record of teams above first, then look at the record of teams below.
My mistake.
Either way, odds were that we would only get one playoff game at home - even if we were the #3 seed. To win the tourney, we will have to win 2 road games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2008, 09:46:52 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2008, 09:46:52 AM
Good luck Lady BlueDevil.
I don't see Platteville beating Point. No way, no how.
I don't see Platteville beating Point. No way, no how.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
I'd like to see Stout take EC out Saturday...that would possibly slide Point up to #2 regionally, hopefully only slipping EC to #3 regionally and maybe (???) Stout jumps into the top 6 regionally.
I know it's a Viking fan's chance in Lambeau (nice way of stating the ol' snowball in you know where) to see 2, 3 or 4 teams in the tourny but man it would be great to see us make some noise.
Good luck to all next week. It's the best time of year!
I know it's a Viking fan's chance in Lambeau (nice way of stating the ol' snowball in you know where) to see 2, 3 or 4 teams in the tourny but man it would be great to see us make some noise.
Good luck to all next week. It's the best time of year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2008, 05:58:18 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2008, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
I know it's a Viking fan's chance in Lambeau (nice way of stating the ol' snowball in you know where) to see 2, 3 or 4 teams in the tourny but man it would be great to see us make some noise.
You do know that the VIKINGS are undefeated in the playoffs at Lambeau Field, don't you... ;D ;) 8) :o
Sorry, I couldn't resist taking advantage of that wide open shot... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2008, 09:52:33 PM
Post by: buf on February 22, 2008, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 22, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
I'd like to see Stout take EC out Saturday...that would possibly slide Point up to #2 regionally, hopefully only slipping EC to #3 regionally and maybe (???) Stout jumps into the top 6 regionally.
I know it's a Viking fan's chance in Lambeau (nice way of stating the ol' snowball in you know where) to see 2, 3 or 4 teams in the tourny but man it would be great to see us make some noise.
Good luck to all next week. It's the best time of year!
I really think that Stout's only shot to make the national tourney is if they win the conference tourney. They may have a slim chance for pool C if a lot of the teams with a slightly better regional record lose this week and then of course lose next week in their respective conference tourneys. Stout would also have to hope for basically no upsets in all conference tournaments that would effect the Pool C count.
The best bet for the WIAC to get multiple bids would be for both EC and Point to win on Saturday and each win their 1st round games next week. UWW is already a lock for the national tournament.
Huge game tomorrow between Stout and EC. Its a rivalry, senior night, the last game of the regular season, and a possible conference championship on the line. EC needs this one. If they lose, their pool C chances will be reduced dramatically. Stout is playing well down the stretch, so EC will have to perform well. This game could go either way, but I would have to give EC a slight edge, especially playing in Zorn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2008, 08:01:52 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2008, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: buf on February 22, 2008, 09:52:33 PMI really think that Stout's only shot to make the national tourney is if they win the conference tourney.
I agree that the only way I will feel comfortable about going to the national tournament for the fourth year in a row is to win the WIAC tourney.
And to do that, I think they need to win tonight. That will set the tone for the start of the WIAC tournament and the 2 road wins that will be necessary to win it.
EC upset us (at least I considered it an upset) at home in the first WIAC game of the year. Now it's our turn to return the favor in the last regular season WIAC game of this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2008, 09:48:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2008, 09:48:43 PM
EC wins over Stout 77-74 in what was a great game played in front of an electric atmosphere. Stout jumps out to a quick 12-4 lead but EC quickly responds. Pretty back and forth first half, however EC stretches lead to 39-33 only to have Stout come back and take a 42-20 halftime lead. In the 2nd, EC pretty much lead the entire way. It was a series of EC having 5-10 point leads followed by a Stout run. Stout finally got to within 1 late, but as EC has done all season long, they responded to their opponent's runs and finished the game well.
Really good games from Hirrsig, Burns and Heidi A. Burns has got my vote for MVP. She has been absolutely huge down the stretch this season for the Golds.
Congrats to both EC and UWW on their conference championship. BTW, shortly after the game, EC's AD said that EC won the coin toss, so they are the #1 seed.
Really good games from Hirrsig, Burns and Heidi A. Burns has got my vote for MVP. She has been absolutely huge down the stretch this season for the Golds.
Congrats to both EC and UWW on their conference championship. BTW, shortly after the game, EC's AD said that EC won the coin toss, so they are the #1 seed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
I wasn't able to attend the game yesterday - or even listen to it. So all I can do is look at the stats to try and figure out what happened.
Stout was 28 for 59 from the field (9 of 19 from beyond the arc) and UWEC was 25 for 57 (7 of 14 from beyond the arc). Usually that means that Stout should win.
Problem was that Stout only had 9 (9 of 15) points from FT's and EC had 20 (20 of 27).
12 more FT's attempts contributed to a 3 point win for EC... :(
Even with the disparity in FT's, Stout coulda/woulda/shoulda pulled it out with a higher shooting percentage from the line.
I hope we get a rematch to avenge this close one... ;)
Stout was 28 for 59 from the field (9 of 19 from beyond the arc) and UWEC was 25 for 57 (7 of 14 from beyond the arc). Usually that means that Stout should win.
Problem was that Stout only had 9 (9 of 15) points from FT's and EC had 20 (20 of 27).
12 more FT's attempts contributed to a 3 point win for EC... :(
Even with the disparity in FT's, Stout coulda/woulda/shoulda pulled it out with a higher shooting percentage from the line.
I hope we get a rematch to avenge this close one... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
Not much to say about yesterday's annilation of RF. I'm sure they've had better efforts but yesterday they were just plain bad. Unable to throw the ball into the ocean it wasn't long before the WARHAWKS got up by double figures over them and lead just grew and grew after that.
Morton had her way in the low post with 25 points and 13 rebounds. She's a legit POY candidate. Sontag finished with 17 points and Thill added 12.
The most interesting thing of the day was something that I'd never seen before. It happened at the start of the second half when the referee, rather than hand the ball to Thill to inbound, blew his whistle, turned and bounced the ball onto the court to Hendrickson. Hendrickson held it for a second with a bewildered look on her face and then tossed it back to Thill. That prompted the referee to recognize the error and reach to take the ball out of Thill's hands but she immediately tossed it back to Hendrickson and the half began. :D
Morton had her way in the low post with 25 points and 13 rebounds. She's a legit POY candidate. Sontag finished with 17 points and Thill added 12.
The most interesting thing of the day was something that I'd never seen before. It happened at the start of the second half when the referee, rather than hand the ball to Thill to inbound, blew his whistle, turned and bounced the ball onto the court to Hendrickson. Hendrickson held it for a second with a bewildered look on her face and then tossed it back to Thill. That prompted the referee to recognize the error and reach to take the ball out of Thill's hands but she immediately tossed it back to Hendrickson and the half began. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 02:29:19 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
The most interesting thing of the day was something that I'd never seen before. It happened at the start of the second half when the referee, rather than hand the ball to Thill to inbound, blew his whistle, turned and bounced the ball onto the court to Hendrickson. Hendrickson held it for a second with a bewildered look on her face and then tossed it back to Thill. That prompted the referee to recognize the error and reach to take the ball out of Thill's hands but she immediately tossed it back to Hendrickson and the half began. :D
This is unreal! How did this official make this mistake! These officials are paid to do a job and be professional and this official was clearly not professional in this instance. I am not sure if the official was just kidding around to start the second the half or just made a mistake. Either way it is just wrong. If he just made a mistake, then he should have blew the whistle and corrected it once he knew it, instead of just letting Thill throw the ball back to Hendrickson. This is very unprofessional and wrong. This speaks how bad some of the WIAC officials have been.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 24, 2008, 02:35:56 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 24, 2008, 02:35:56 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
The most interesting thing of the day was something that I'd never seen before. It happened at the start of the second half when the referee, rather than hand the ball to Thill to inbound, blew his whistle, turned and bounced the ball onto the court to Hendrickson. Hendrickson held it for a second with a bewildered look on her face and then tossed it back to Thill. That prompted the referee to recognize the error and reach to take the ball out of Thill's hands but she immediately tossed it back to Hendrickson and the half began. :D
Just go across the River and you'll see even worse officiating in the MIAC. :D
This is unreal! How did this official make this mistake! These officials are paid to do a job and be professional and this official was clearly not professional in this instance. I am not sure if the official was just kidding around to start the second the half or just made a mistake. Either way it is just wrong. If he just made a mistake, then he should have blew the whistle and corrected it once he knew it, instead of just letting Thill throw the ball back to Hendrickson. This is very unprofessional and wrong. This speaks how bad some of the WIAC officials have been.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2008, 03:24:45 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2008, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
The most interesting thing of the day was something that I'd never seen before. It happened at the start of the second half when the referee, rather than hand the ball to Thill to inbound, blew his whistle, turned and bounced the ball onto the court to Hendrickson. Hendrickson held it for a second with a bewildered look on her face and then tossed it back to Thill. That prompted the referee to recognize the error and reach to take the ball out of Thill's hands but she immediately tossed it back to Hendrickson and the half began. :D
This is unreal! How did this official make this mistake! These officials are paid to do a job and be professional and this official was clearly not professional in this instance. I am not sure if the official was just kidding around to start the second the half or just made a mistake. Either way it is just wrong. If he just made a mistake, then he should have blew the whistle and corrected it once he knew it, instead of just letting Thill throw the ball back to Hendrickson. This is very unprofessional and wrong. This speaks how bad some of the WIAC officials have been.
"I'll take unproportional over-reactions for $200, Alex"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 03:59:25 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 03:59:25 PM
I just expect the officials to take their job seriously and do their job. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 04:01:37 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 02:29:19 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2008, 11:52:01 AM
The most interesting thing of the day was something that I'd never seen before. It happened at the start of the second half when the referee, rather than hand the ball to Thill to inbound, blew his whistle, turned and bounced the ball onto the court to Hendrickson. Hendrickson held it for a second with a bewildered look on her face and then tossed it back to Thill. That prompted the referee to recognize the error and reach to take the ball out of Thill's hands but she immediately tossed it back to Hendrickson and the half began. :D
This is unreal! How did this official make this mistake! These officials are paid to do a job and be professional and this official was clearly not professional in this instance. I am not sure if the official was just kidding around to start the second the half or just made a mistake. Either way it is just wrong. If he just made a mistake, then he should have blew the whistle and corrected it once he knew it, instead of just letting Thill throw the ball back to Hendrickson. This is very unprofessional and wrong. This speaks how bad some of the WIAC officials have been.
I don't know that I'd go quite as far as to call it very unprofessional. It was actually kind of amusing. The humor was compounded by the fact that as near as I can tell aside from the official, Thill and Hendrickson myself and the scorer are the only five people to have noted it. None of the staff or players of either team appeared to, no spectators shouted anything, nothing. It just happened and then the half started.
Just so I'm clear of my intention. It wasn't to start a negative discussion on officiating in this league or any other. The officiating in this game wasn't any different that any other this incident aside. I don't think it had anything to do with the outcome. It was just one of those weird things you see when you think you've already seen everything.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2008, 04:33:04 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2008, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 03:59:25 PMI just expect posters to have reasonable reactions to perfectly innocent (and kind of amusing) mistakes that occasionally happen in all walks of life. I don't think that is too much to ask.
I just expect the officials to take their job seriously and do their job. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Honestly, if you want to find a reason to indict the entire officiating roster of the WIAC it probably wouldn't be hard to find events to try make your point. Don't tell me that one ref throwing the ball to the wrong kid for an inbound means we should toss out the whole bunch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 04:58:18 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2008, 04:33:04 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2008, 03:59:25 PMI just expect posters to have reasonable reactions to perfectly innocent (and kind of amusing) mistakes that occasionally happen in all walks of life. I don't think that is too much to ask.
I just expect the officials to take their job seriously and do their job. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Honestly, if you want to find a reason to indict the entire officiating roster of the WIAC it probably wouldn't be hard to find events to try make your point. Don't tell me that one ref throwing the ball to the wrong kid for an inbound means we should toss out the whole bunch.
I did not mean to imply that at all the officials are bad. I believe I said in my first post that some of the WIAC officials are bad, not all of them. This was an example of an official losing focus and I just think that cannot happen in any game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2008, 08:16:29 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2008, 08:16:29 PM
2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 24)
West
MIAC- St. Bens (19-5)
IIAC- Simpson (19-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (14-3)
NWC- George Fox (15-2), Puget Sound (16-2)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (21-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (19-2), Carroll (18-4), Lake Forest (20-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (16-3)
UAA- Rochester (17-5), Wash U (15-4), Brandeis (17-6), Chicago (17-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (18-4), UWW (21-2), Stevens Point (20-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (22-0), Albion (15-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (17-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (23-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (18-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (19-4), Trinity (18-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (18-5)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (19-4)
ASC- Howard Payne (23-0), McMurry (22-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (20-2), Albright (18-4), Lebanon Valley (20-4)
PnAC- None
MACF- DeSales (21-4)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (18-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (23-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (22-1), Marymount (20-4)
NJAC- Kean (21-3), New Jersey (19-5), William Patterson (20-5)
East
E8- None
SUNYAC- Brockport State (18-3), Cortland State (16-5)
LL- William Smith (20-2), St. Lawrence (17-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(16-5), Amherst (22-2), Tufts (22-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (19-4)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (23-2), Western Conn (18-5), Eastern Conn (21-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (20-2), Salem State (20-3)
West
MIAC- St. Bens (19-5)
IIAC- Simpson (19-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (14-3)
NWC- George Fox (15-2), Puget Sound (16-2)
Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (21-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (19-2), Carroll (18-4), Lake Forest (20-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (16-3)
UAA- Rochester (17-5), Wash U (15-4), Brandeis (17-6), Chicago (17-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (18-4), UWW (21-2), Stevens Point (20-4)
Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (22-0), Albion (15-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (17-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (23-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)
South
GSAC- Piedmont (18-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (19-4), Trinity (18-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (18-5)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (19-4)
ASC- Howard Payne (23-0), McMurry (22-2)
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (20-2), Albright (18-4), Lebanon Valley (20-4)
PnAC- None
MACF- DeSales (21-4)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (18-4)
Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (23-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (22-1), Marymount (20-4)
NJAC- Kean (21-3), New Jersey (19-5), William Patterson (20-5)
East
E8- None
SUNYAC- Brockport State (18-3), Cortland State (16-5)
LL- William Smith (20-2), St. Lawrence (17-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)
Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(16-5), Amherst (22-2), Tufts (22-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (19-4)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (23-2), Western Conn (18-5), Eastern Conn (21-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (20-2), Salem State (20-3)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2008, 08:23:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2008, 08:23:13 PM
Right now, I think that both EC and Point are in pretty decent shape for a pool C bid should they happen to lose in the WIAC tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 10:15:35 AM
I would love to see this conference get three teams in the tourny. I think it's pretty possible. If the scenario ended up somehow with Point and EC in the title game, I couldn't imagine all three not getting in. Should be an interesting tourny. And as I said before, I certainly wouldn't overlook Stout in this thing.
Let's bring the trophy back to Wisconsin!
Let's bring the trophy back to Wisconsin!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 10:19:02 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 10:15:35 AM
I would love to see this conference get three teams in the tourny. I think it's pretty possible. If the scenario ended up somehow with Point and EC in the title game, I couldn't imagine all three not getting in. Should be an interesting tourny. And as I said before, I certainly wouldn't overlook Stout in this thing.
Let's bring the trophy back to Wisconsin!
That would be the best scenario to get three in, since WW has the strongest Pool C resume. I don't think that WW is going to lay down for the good of the league, do you BW? :D ;)
If Point would lose a semifinal to WW, that might put them on thin ice, but I think (hope) they'll still make it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
No, I don't think we'll be doing that. We've got a score to settle with Platteville. Nobody has forgotten last year's tournament debacle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
Alright, 1st RF couldn't have played worse against WW. It was terrible, sitting there broadcasting the game I didn't even know what to say.
2nd, im sure you all knew this but, Whitewater is for real. They are going to win the WIAC tournament and make a run for the National Title.
3rd, RF caught a break not having to go back to WW. Im not sayin that they will beat EC, but i think they have a shot.
2nd, im sure you all knew this but, Whitewater is for real. They are going to win the WIAC tournament and make a run for the National Title.
3rd, RF caught a break not having to go back to WW. Im not sayin that they will beat EC, but i think they have a shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2008, 01:14:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2008, 01:14:42 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 25, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
Post by: billys on February 25, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
I have seen Whitewater twice this year and of the teams I've seen in the WIAC the last 5-8 years, they are as capable as any of winning the National Championship. Their style and depth is something teams can't prepare for and in women's basketball the ability to force turnovers and convert into layups is as powerful as any trait. Combine that with a very strong inside game and I really think they'll be a tough out. Those last couple Stout teams were good but they didn't have a PG as good as Hendrickson and although WW doesn't have someone as good as Duoss, I think they have a little deeper, depth ... if that makes sense. Without knowing the who, what, where of the tournament ... it's hard to say "They will get to this point" but I really can see them winning it all.
But, again, if it makes any sense, I pick Eau Claire to win the tournament. Can't pick against the #1 seed until it happens.
But, again, if it makes any sense, I pick Eau Claire to win the tournament. Can't pick against the #1 seed until it happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: billys on February 25, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
I have seen Whitewater twice this year and of the teams I've seen in the WIAC the last 5-8 years, they are as capable as any of winning the National Championship.
I would say that 03' UWEC team was the best that I have seen during that time span. However, UWW is close behind. One thing this UWW team has over the 03' EC team is that they seem to have a better inside/outside game. The 03' EC team had awesome play underneath, but they struggled from the outside, which ended up costing them at the Final Four.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2008, 02:32:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2008, 02:32:43 PM
Over on the Pool C board, pabegg has EC as the 3rd pool C team and Point as the 8th (He/she has UWW as the pool A team). This is assuming that there will be no upsets in the conference tourneys. There are 21 pool C bids available. That poster is pretty good at predicting how the regions rank the teams. If the NCAA is close to what pabegg is predicting, the WIAC would likely have 3 teams in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 03:02:40 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: buf on February 25, 2008, 02:21:58 PMQuote from: billys on February 25, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
I have seen Whitewater twice this year and of the teams I've seen in the WIAC the last 5-8 years, they are as capable as any of winning the National Championship.
I would say that 03' UWEC team was the best that I have seen during that time span. However, UWW is close behind. One thing this UWW team has over the 03' EC team is that they seem to have a better inside/outside game. The 03' EC team had awesome play underneath, but they struggled from the outside, which ended up costing them at the Final Four.
Good choice, but you're forgetting Point? 2001-02 National Champs? Lost all of three times that year, including two at the hands of Stout. Schmitt, Heuer, Groshek, Nechuta, Kraemer, Boehning...SICK team that year...the team that took care of 4peat Wash U.
Let's face it...WIAC is usually producing one relatively strong national power each year. I would love to see 3 teams and not scheduled to play one another. Man, a 3 WIAC team final four! It's on!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 03:03:13 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 03:03:13 PM
I vote for the '02 UWSP team (I'm biased of course, as we all are). I've never seen a team that seemingly could snap their fingers and generate an 18-2 run everytime they needed it. They could win inside and outside, high-scoring games and low-scoring games. At the Final Four they locked down an All-American and a national player of the year on back-to-back nights.
Any of the WIAC's NCAA Tournament teams could be in this discussion. What a fun league!
Any of the WIAC's NCAA Tournament teams could be in this discussion. What a fun league!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2008, 03:27:25 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2008, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: billys on February 25, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
But, again, if it makes any sense, I pick Eau Claire to win the tournament. Can't pick against the #1 seed until it happens.
Whitewater is basically #1B... a coin flip decided the top seed. I know the #1 seed is 30-0 or something like that, but i can't give Eau Claire the advantage just cause they won a coin flip. I've seen both teams play and Whitewater is the superior team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2008, 03:42:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2008, 03:42:47 PM
Unfortunately finding a way to win in Zorn hasn't been an easy thing for us. EC plays good defense and they generally don't make a lot of mistakes to beat themselves. You have to play a really solid game to beat them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 25, 2008, 06:02:44 PM
Post by: billys on February 25, 2008, 06:02:44 PM
Glad my post created some discussion, that's what we need here.
I believe I've been somewhat misread; I don't necessarily think WW is better than either the '03 EC team or the '02 UWSP National Championship team ... I just think their depth in talent and style is going to make them a beast to get rid of. Those years I also thought there were better teams nationally that would trip them up.
I actually would put the '04 UWSP team ahead of both of those as teams I thought could win it ... they just didn't have the depth. But Nechuta at the end of her career was as dominant as I've seen since I started following the league; she just had a propensity to commit some bad fouls and have to sit out a bit.
I didn't have the same feeling about Stout the last three years. They've had the style and some depth ... but I don't think their talent was as deep as this WW team and they could never shoot the 3. This WW team shoots it real well and Hendrickson is almost automatic.
My trepidation with WW is their lack of experience in a tournament. Those other programs had some experience (for the most part); this program has had two years of success of has yet to win a tournament game. They'll win tomorrow and if they run through the rest of the week my fears will be a bit relieved; plus they'll likely get themselves a couple home games which never hurts.
UWRF- I realize the coin flip decided the seed, I also believe WW is the better team ... I'm not giving EC the advantage because of the seed they are called. I'm giving them the advantage because they're at home. The #1 seed hasn't necessarily ALWAYS been the best team ... but they have always played the whole tournament at home.
I believe I've been somewhat misread; I don't necessarily think WW is better than either the '03 EC team or the '02 UWSP National Championship team ... I just think their depth in talent and style is going to make them a beast to get rid of. Those years I also thought there were better teams nationally that would trip them up.
I actually would put the '04 UWSP team ahead of both of those as teams I thought could win it ... they just didn't have the depth. But Nechuta at the end of her career was as dominant as I've seen since I started following the league; she just had a propensity to commit some bad fouls and have to sit out a bit.
I didn't have the same feeling about Stout the last three years. They've had the style and some depth ... but I don't think their talent was as deep as this WW team and they could never shoot the 3. This WW team shoots it real well and Hendrickson is almost automatic.
My trepidation with WW is their lack of experience in a tournament. Those other programs had some experience (for the most part); this program has had two years of success of has yet to win a tournament game. They'll win tomorrow and if they run through the rest of the week my fears will be a bit relieved; plus they'll likely get themselves a couple home games which never hurts.
UWRF- I realize the coin flip decided the seed, I also believe WW is the better team ... I'm not giving EC the advantage because of the seed they are called. I'm giving them the advantage because they're at home. The #1 seed hasn't necessarily ALWAYS been the best team ... but they have always played the whole tournament at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:26:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: UWRF on February 25, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
Im not sayin that they will beat EC, but i think they have a shot.
Best wishes on your game tonight... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2008, 10:27:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2008, 10:27:46 AM
The #1 seed may not always have been the best team but they have been the team that's never lost. No doubt having the homecourt has played into that.
But there's a new sheriff in town this year! :D ;)
It's starts tonight by settling the score with the Pioneer.
But there's a new sheriff in town this year! :D ;)
It's starts tonight by settling the score with the Pioneer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:38:15 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:38:15 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 03:02:40 PMGood choice, but you're forgetting Point? 2001-02 National Champs? Lost all of three times that year, including two at the hands of Stout.
Don't remind me of that year...
Point didn't win the WIAC Championship, and didn't even get to the WIAC Tournament Championship game - yet made the NCAA Tourney got a home game to start the DIII tourney. Three out of four games to start the tourney were at home....
Stout won the conference and the tournament, then had to go on the road to St. Ben's - who didn't win the MIAC Tournament... ???
Not sayin' that Stout would have gone all the way, but it's still a mystery to me how Point played at home that year and Stout was forced to play on the road... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:40:21 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2008, 10:27:46 AM
The #1 seed may not always have been the best team but they have been the team that's never lost. No doubt having the homecourt has played into that.
But there's a new sheriff in town this year! :D ;)
It's starts tonight by settling the score with the Pioneer.
Well, I like last year's sheriff - and I still hope the road to the Tournament Championship goes through WW. Only thing, I want last year's sheriff to go for a 4peat.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:38:15 AMQuote from: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 03:02:40 PMGood choice, but you're forgetting Point? 2001-02 National Champs? Lost all of three times that year, including two at the hands of Stout.
Don't remind me of that year...
Point didn't win the WIAC Championship, and didn't even get to the WIAC Tournament Championship game - yet made the NCAA Tourney got a home game to start the DIII tourney. Three out of four games to start the tourney were at home....
Stout won the conference and the tournament, then had to go on the road to St. Ben's - who didn't win the MIAC Tournament... ???
Not sayin' that Stout would have gone all the way, but it's still a mystery to me how Point played at home that year and Stout was forced to play on the road... ::)
I would think Stout would have preferred to go to St. Bens to play their first game then to take Point's road. Point won a home game to start to the tourny, but then had to travel to Wash U. Stout played at Wash U. that year in November and lost by over 50.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2008, 11:01:51 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2008, 11:01:51 AM
But I do understand your point champ. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 26, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 26, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2008, 10:59:37 AMQuote from: The Champ on February 26, 2008, 10:38:15 AMQuote from: shootfromthearc on February 25, 2008, 03:02:40 PMGood choice, but you're forgetting Point? 2001-02 National Champs? Lost all of three times that year, including two at the hands of Stout.
Don't remind me of that year...
Point didn't win the WIAC Championship, and didn't even get to the WIAC Tournament Championship game - yet made the NCAA Tourney got a home game to start the DIII tourney. Three out of four games to start the tourney were at home....
Stout won the conference and the tournament, then had to go on the road to St. Ben's - who didn't win the MIAC Tournament... ???
Not sayin' that Stout would have gone all the way, but it's still a mystery to me how Point played at home that year and Stout was forced to play on the road... ::)
I would think Stout would have preferred to go to St. Bens to play their first game then to take Point's road. Point won a home game to start to the tourny, but then had to travel to Wash U. Stout played at Wash U. that year in November and lost by over 50.
Totally forgot about that...I would have been pretty mad too if I were from Stout. That sure was fun to watch that year. There were some pretty awesome teams that year, as always!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2008, 03:01:51 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2008, 03:01:51 PM
I think the frustration over the brackets in 2002 ended up distracting Stout from the fact that they actually had a game to play. I think they were so sure they were getting a home game that they were a little too busy being angry and weren't quite ready to go when the ball tipped. Just what I've gathered from talking to the Stout staff at the time.
No doubt St. Ben's was also an excellent team, so I'm sure that was the biggest factor.
No doubt St. Ben's was also an excellent team, so I'm sure that was the biggest factor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 26, 2008, 09:00:42 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on February 26, 2008, 09:00:42 PM
Once again, Oshkosh is giving everything they have to Point.
33-31 SP with 18:35 left to go.
33-31 SP with 18:35 left to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 26, 2008, 10:07:22 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 26, 2008, 10:07:22 PM
...but it wasn't enough. Point finally gets strict on the defensive end and rolls by 25 or so. Gotta hand it to Zero though for putting up a fight. Watching this you were wondering how long Point was going to let them hang. Oshkosh puts up a 10-0 run and eliminates a 17 point lead in the second half to 7 and people were gritting their teeth.
Neuenfeldt and several players off the bench put a stop to that and the rest is history. Sad to see Tyriver end her career...would have been nice to see her play for someone better than Oshkosh.
Final Four...gonna be some fighting on Thursday! I'm taking Stout over EC at the Zorn and simply calling a toss up to WW/Point. It's war folks...
Neuenfeldt and several players off the bench put a stop to that and the rest is history. Sad to see Tyriver end her career...would have been nice to see her play for someone better than Oshkosh.
Final Four...gonna be some fighting on Thursday! I'm taking Stout over EC at the Zorn and simply calling a toss up to WW/Point. It's war folks...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
EC wins 73-43 over RF. EC jumps out to a 23-5 lead, but then goes dry for a long stretch as RF comes to within 8. Rachel Mueg. hits a 3 to end the half, putting EC up 31-19. EC totally controls the 2nd half and is never threatened.
Player of the game is Rachel Mueg. She set a school record by hitting 9 3-pointers. She was 9-11 from 3, her last one being an NBA range 3.
It looks like EC will face Stout, who wins over UWL 65-63 in OT.
Player of the game is Rachel Mueg. She set a school record by hitting 9 3-pointers. She was 9-11 from 3, her last one being an NBA range 3.
It looks like EC will face Stout, who wins over UWL 65-63 in OT.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 26, 2008, 10:10:18 PM
Post by: billys on February 26, 2008, 10:10:18 PM
Countdown until someone gets home from the Stout game to answer me two questions I have from watching the Stout-La Crosse game on live stats.
1- What was the foul called on Hunter with four seconds left in regulation. And, with no bias, good call or not?
2- What happened on the game winner? Said Stout timeout with :00 left so I'm assuming there were tenths remaining ... what kind of inbound play and what kind of shot.
1- What was the foul called on Hunter with four seconds left in regulation. And, with no bias, good call or not?
2- What happened on the game winner? Said Stout timeout with :00 left so I'm assuming there were tenths remaining ... what kind of inbound play and what kind of shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 27, 2008, 12:04:32 AM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 27, 2008, 12:04:32 AM
Hunters foul with 4 sec to go was a charge at half court when she was driving and was air boren
-The last shot was a out- of - bounds play with 0.05 second on the clock a pass to Char in the lane
more later
-The last shot was a out- of - bounds play with 0.05 second on the clock a pass to Char in the lane
more later
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2008, 12:10:15 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2008, 12:10:15 AM
Unreal ending at Stout. I read about it being a lob pass to Edwards in the lane. I am curious is LAX put someone big on the ball and if they flooded the lane to protect against this pass. I would guess not, but I have no idea.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 27, 2008, 12:13:57 AM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 27, 2008, 12:13:57 AM
ya it was .5 seconds lax had hunter on the ball and char took a 8 ft jumper form a lob
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2008, 08:15:58 AM
Post by: BDB on February 27, 2008, 08:15:58 AM
Quote from: billys on February 26, 2008, 10:10:18 PM
Countdown until someone gets home from the Stout game to answer me two questions I have from watching the Stout-La Crosse game on live stats.
1- What was the foul called on Hunter with four seconds left in regulation. And, with no bias, good call or not?
2- What happened on the game winner? Said Stout timeout with :00 left so I'm assuming there were tenths remaining ... what kind of inbound play and what kind of shot.
#1- Good call. You know me billys, I'm not biased. ;)
#2- Perfect lob into Edwards who took it at the top of her leap and tossed it in. Happened right in front of me. Awesome play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2008, 08:47:28 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2008, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on February 27, 2008, 08:15:58 AM#1- Good call. You know me billys, I'm not biased. ;)
#2- Perfect lob into Edwards who took it at the top of her leap and tossed it in. Happened right in front of me. Awesome play.
I too, being totally unbiased... ;)
Hunter was going ninety miles an hour and just bowled over the opposition. Very solid call. I thought Coach Hereen was going to get T'd up after the whistle. She ran out on the floor and was verbally attacking the refs... Not sure how or why she had anything to complain about.
Sitting in the stands, when I saw Charlee go and check in, I said to my wife - Char's going to get the ball. The girl is lighting fast, elevates real well, and is a solid shooter. This is just a guess, but I think maybe UWL remember the first game when the inbound pass went to Hirssig in the same situation to win that game at the buzzer by one point.
Talking with Coach T after the game, they had just put that play to Charlee into the offense before the game and had run it maybe 2 or 3 times. The team (as a group) suggested that be their play during the TO with .05 remaining...
Both teams were just terrible at shooting in the first half. UWL shot 24% (6 of 25) and Stout 21% (8 of 38) in the first session. The difference was in the FT's with UWL making 10 of 13 and Stout sinking 3 of 5 - score 22 - 20 UWL at the half. Sidenote to the first half, Julia Hirssig - the WIAC leading scorer, was held scoreless in the first half for the first time this year.
Both squads improved their shooting from the field in the second half (couldn't have done much worse... ;)) - UWL upto 56% and Stout at 38%. FT's balanced out somewhat in the second period with LaCrosse making 7 of 10 and Stout netting 10 of 14.
A true defensive battle in the OT, with only 10 points being scored in the 5 minute session - and 2 for each team were from the FT line...
Hirssig was the top scorer with 20 points (all in the second half and OT, and also led all rebounders with 17. Edwards not only scored the game winner, but added 17 points for the evening. Mandy Stevens led UWL with 18 points and Mackenzie Hunter had 15 points and 7 boards.
Next up, UWEC...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2008, 10:09:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2008, 10:09:11 AM
If it's possible last night's 93-53 win was even uglier than the score suggests. Platteville couldn't shoot (31% on the game), couldn't control the ball (37 turnovers) and couldn't throw it to us fast enough (18 steals). Defensively they had big problems with the quickness of our perimeter players and the size of our posts. Wubben was the only Pioneer in double figures with 18 points.
Sophomore Dana Thompson led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 17 points. Heidi Sontang added 15 points, Tiffany Morton 12 points and Kelsey Hendrickson 11 points as we were able to score from inside and out relatively easily. Twenty players saw action and twelve of them scored. It was the 10th time this season in which the offensive has score 90 or more points.
Next up, the Pointer. I have a feeling that won't be quite as easy. :D Seriously, it should be a good one. The two teams are both playing well.
Good luck to your BD, Champ.
Sophomore Dana Thompson led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 17 points. Heidi Sontang added 15 points, Tiffany Morton 12 points and Kelsey Hendrickson 11 points as we were able to score from inside and out relatively easily. Twenty players saw action and twelve of them scored. It was the 10th time this season in which the offensive has score 90 or more points.
Next up, the Pointer. I have a feeling that won't be quite as easy. :D Seriously, it should be a good one. The two teams are both playing well.
Good luck to your BD, Champ.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 27, 2008, 12:21:37 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 27, 2008, 12:21:37 PM
Rachel Mueg.s performance last night was unbelievable. 9 threes; most of which were from steps behind the 3-point line.
She hit one with Tess Lardie right in her face, not sure how she even had enough room to get a shot off.
Top 3 Rachel Mueg 3-Pointers from Last Night: :D
3. "The School Record Breaker": Right in front of the Blugold bench for number 8.
2. "The Momentum Swingers": Back-to-Back threes in the last minute of the 1st Half to kill RFs momentum and put EC back up by 12 at the break.
1. "She couldnt Guard Herself": Her final 3 of the night. Krystal Parr was right in her face but in a stroke of bad luck lost her balance and fell to the floor leaving Mueg wide open from 25 feet... of course she drained it.
:D :D :D
She hit one with Tess Lardie right in her face, not sure how she even had enough room to get a shot off.
Top 3 Rachel Mueg 3-Pointers from Last Night: :D
3. "The School Record Breaker": Right in front of the Blugold bench for number 8.
2. "The Momentum Swingers": Back-to-Back threes in the last minute of the 1st Half to kill RFs momentum and put EC back up by 12 at the break.
1. "She couldnt Guard Herself": Her final 3 of the night. Krystal Parr was right in her face but in a stroke of bad luck lost her balance and fell to the floor leaving Mueg wide open from 25 feet... of course she drained it.
:D :D :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2008, 03:20:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2008, 03:20:13 PM
This week's regional rankings:
Central Region
1. Wis.-Whitewater 21-2 23-2
2. Wis.-Eau Claire 18-4 20-5
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 20-4 21-4
4. Ill. Wesleyan 20-2 23-2
5. Washington-St. Louis 15-4 18-6
6. Chicago 17-5 19-5
Gee, it looks a whole lot like last weeks. I do think that 2-6 are bunched pretty close together. Meaning, lets say EC or Point loses this week. They could very easily fall to #6. Wash U does play Chicago this week, so one of those teams will pick up a loss.
Central Region
1. Wis.-Whitewater 21-2 23-2
2. Wis.-Eau Claire 18-4 20-5
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 20-4 21-4
4. Ill. Wesleyan 20-2 23-2
5. Washington-St. Louis 15-4 18-6
6. Chicago 17-5 19-5
Gee, it looks a whole lot like last weeks. I do think that 2-6 are bunched pretty close together. Meaning, lets say EC or Point loses this week. They could very easily fall to #6. Wash U does play Chicago this week, so one of those teams will pick up a loss.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 07:11:50 PM
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 07:11:50 PM
Looks like a good one between UWSP and Whitewater. That should be a battle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
WW-SP Live Stats: http://www.uwwsports.com/Sports/wbball/2007/livestats/xlive.htm
EC-ST Live Stats:
http://www.uwecblugolds.com/basketball/index.php?game=28
EC-ST Live Stats:
http://www.uwecblugolds.com/basketball/index.php?game=28
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 08:39:00 PM
STP 38, WW 29 - 2:09, 1st
EC 33, ST 21 - 4:47, 1st
EC 33, ST 21 - 4:47, 1st
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 08:45:38 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 08:45:38 PM
HALFTIME:
Stevens Point 43 (Houghton 4-5 on 3-ptrs, 12 points; three others with 6 each)
Whitewater 33 (Buechner with 10, Morton 7, Hendrickson 0)
Point shooting 52.9% and 5-6 from three-point line, WW shooting 39.3 percent.
WW 10-12 at free throw line, Point 2-2.
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Stout 29 (Hirssig with 15 pts & 9 rebs, Maslowski 6 pts)
Eau Claire 48 (Burns 11, Mueggenborg and Witt 9 each)
EC shooting 56.7 percent and 5-7 from three-point line, Stout shooting 32.4 percent.
Stevens Point 43 (Houghton 4-5 on 3-ptrs, 12 points; three others with 6 each)
Whitewater 33 (Buechner with 10, Morton 7, Hendrickson 0)
Point shooting 52.9% and 5-6 from three-point line, WW shooting 39.3 percent.
WW 10-12 at free throw line, Point 2-2.
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Stout 29 (Hirssig with 15 pts & 9 rebs, Maslowski 6 pts)
Eau Claire 48 (Burns 11, Mueggenborg and Witt 9 each)
EC shooting 56.7 percent and 5-7 from three-point line, Stout shooting 32.4 percent.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
STP 55, WW 47 - 12:19, 2nd
EC 60, ST 35 - 13:32, 2nd
EC 60, ST 35 - 13:32, 2nd
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:28:01 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:28:01 PM
STP 66, WW 60 - 5:32, 2nd
EC 68, ST 45 - 7:33, 2nd
EC 68, ST 45 - 7:33, 2nd
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 28, 2008, 09:28:53 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 28, 2008, 09:28:53 PM
Hating myself for not making the trip to see this one...man it sounds like fun...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:30:26 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:30:26 PM
Houghton trying to take the game over. She has scored 7 of Point's last 9. 19 points, 5-6 from three point line.
STP 70, WW 60 - 3:44, 2nd
EC 74, ST 49 - 5:38, 2nd
STP 70, WW 60 - 3:44, 2nd
EC 74, ST 49 - 5:38, 2nd
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:35:01 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:35:01 PM
Another bucket by Houghton.
STP 73, WW 65 - 1:07, 2nd
STP 73, WW 65 - 1:07, 2nd
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:37:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:37:58 PM
Free throw shooting contest beginning...
STP 75, WW 65 - 1:05, 2nd
EC 82, ST 52 - 3:06
STP 75, WW 65 - 1:05, 2nd
EC 82, ST 52 - 3:06
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:44:08 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 09:44:08 PM
FINALs:
Point 79, WW 71
EC 86, Stout 61
Point 79, WW 71
EC 86, Stout 61
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 28, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 28, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
Well, the argument begins, from where we discussed a bit earlier...3 teams in? You have to think WW is in no matter what. EC and SP are a toss up because they're relatively even in region and W-L. Now obviously the winner of the game goes with the auto bid, but what of the loser?
I would think losing would hurt worse for EC in the championship but either way, nothing is a guarantee (again, see SP 20-5 in 2002-03; snubbed by committee after winning national title previous year).
What are your thoughts...especially you stat folks...
Great win for Point. On the road, sounds like they controlled the game from the tip.
I would think losing would hurt worse for EC in the championship but either way, nothing is a guarantee (again, see SP 20-5 in 2002-03; snubbed by committee after winning national title previous year).
What are your thoughts...especially you stat folks...
Great win for Point. On the road, sounds like they controlled the game from the tip.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 10:02:20 PM
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 10:02:20 PM
I believe there are more teams in the tourney now then there was in 2002-2003. I would hope that this quality conference gets 3 but if I was EC or UWSP I would make sure I played my best game so there was no doubt. I think with the win by UWSP tonight they would be in regardless but you never know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:25:24 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:25:24 PM
WW is in and has been for awhile now.
With EC's win tonight, I believe they are a lock.
With Point's win tonight, I believe they are also a lock. If they would have lost tonight, I still think they would have had a probable chance of making it in.
With EC's win tonight, I believe they are a lock.
With Point's win tonight, I believe they are also a lock. If they would have lost tonight, I still think they would have had a probable chance of making it in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 10:27:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2008, 10:27:15 PM
I think STP being 2-1 against WW will carry a lot of weight. I think all three will get in regardless of Saturday, but Saturday's loser will have some anxious moments.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 28, 2008, 10:29:20 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 28, 2008, 10:29:20 PM
Didn't expect to see both benches emptied at the end tonight, considering the last time these two teams met, but the Blugolds win convincingly, 86-61, by clamping down on defense, and really cranking up the offense vs. Stout...
Perhaps the 'Golds most complete game of the season, too; they may be peaking at just the right time, with the Pointers, who have been playing really well down the stretch, coming to Zorn on Saturday...
Keys for the 'Golds win tonight were Stout's shooting percentage in the first half (12 of 37 for 32%), which enabled UWEC to take a 48-29 lead into half... Blugolds shot well, too, (60 percent on the night) and drained five of seven threes the first half... If they get that kind of shooting, and play with the type of execution and ball movement like they did tonight...
Julia Hirssig had 20 for the Blue Devils, but they didn't have anyone else to step up; no one else scored in double figures... She also had 13 boards...
WIAC POY candidate Michelle Burns led the 'Golds with 27, but Heather Witt played well, too, scoring 13, with a career high 10 assists... She and Missy Fremstad were able to handle the Blue Devil's press all evening... Heidi Aricszewski, who went off for 30 against Stout last game, chipped in 11 tonight...
It's been fun to watch this team progress and mature this year; the players seem focused, have a lot of balance, and have a comfort zone in playing at Zorn, where they have won 30 of their last 32... Good, noisy crowd tonight, too...
Perhaps the 'Golds most complete game of the season, too; they may be peaking at just the right time, with the Pointers, who have been playing really well down the stretch, coming to Zorn on Saturday...
Keys for the 'Golds win tonight were Stout's shooting percentage in the first half (12 of 37 for 32%), which enabled UWEC to take a 48-29 lead into half... Blugolds shot well, too, (60 percent on the night) and drained five of seven threes the first half... If they get that kind of shooting, and play with the type of execution and ball movement like they did tonight...
Julia Hirssig had 20 for the Blue Devils, but they didn't have anyone else to step up; no one else scored in double figures... She also had 13 boards...
WIAC POY candidate Michelle Burns led the 'Golds with 27, but Heather Witt played well, too, scoring 13, with a career high 10 assists... She and Missy Fremstad were able to handle the Blue Devil's press all evening... Heidi Aricszewski, who went off for 30 against Stout last game, chipped in 11 tonight...
It's been fun to watch this team progress and mature this year; the players seem focused, have a lot of balance, and have a comfort zone in playing at Zorn, where they have won 30 of their last 32... Good, noisy crowd tonight, too...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 10:02:20 PM
I believe there are more teams in the tourney now then there was in 2002-2003. I would hope that this quality conference gets 3 but if I was EC or UWSP I would make sure I played my best game so there was no doubt. I think with the win by UWSP tonight they would be in regardless but you never know.
Yes, there are more teams now. I believe that there are 63 women's teams that will get bids this season. Back then I think it was 50 or so.
The new selection criteria which includes OWP and OOWP should help the WIAC's cause (and other top conferences). Below are the OWP and OOWP of the three WIAC teams that have a shot at the NCAA tourney along with their national OWP rank (through Sunday):
UWW: .610, .557, 14th ranked
UWEC: .605, .561, 16th ranked
UWSP: .561, .547, 52nd ranked
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:50:52 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:50:52 PM
Good recap bulk. Just wanted to add a couple things.
Congrats to Michelle Burns, who won the conference's Scholar Athlete award for Women's Basketball.
I also want to congratulate Stout seniors Lindsey Geissler and Joanna Bird on good careers. It was fun watching them for the past few years not only at Stout but also on their high school teams.
Congrats to Michelle Burns, who won the conference's Scholar Athlete award for Women's Basketball.
I also want to congratulate Stout seniors Lindsey Geissler and Joanna Bird on good careers. It was fun watching them for the past few years not only at Stout but also on their high school teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 28, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 28, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
And from the front page...
"The result would seemingly all but guarantee the WIAC will get three teams into the Field of 63 for the NCAA Tournament."
Wonder if the tournament chairperson has anything to say about that ! ;D
"The result would seemingly all but guarantee the WIAC will get three teams into the Field of 63 for the NCAA Tournament."
Wonder if the tournament chairperson has anything to say about that ! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 29, 2008, 07:56:46 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 29, 2008, 07:56:46 AM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:50:52 PM
I also want to congratulate Stout seniors Lindsey Geissler and Joanna Bird on good careers. It was fun watching them for the past few years not only at Stout but also on their high school teams.
One more senior on the squad - Mary Schaefer - also a guard.
Michelle Burns put in an absolutely fabulous performance. She put on a show that was worth the price of admission - even if she was wearing the wrong colors!
So did Hirssig - considering that she had to carry Ashley Anderson (and that's alot to carry) around for 10 minutes of the game.
That evidently was EC's plan to take Hirssig out of the game - have #55 beat her up inside. It only took 10 minutes of playing time for AA to foul out. Wouldn't have taken near that long if they would have called all the fouls...;) And when Ashley wasn't in the game, Hannah Mesick attempted to do her job. 9 called fouls between the two of them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
Point just flat outplayed us. They were relentless on defense and prevented us from getting anything going outside. They didn't give us many good looks and we had problems hitting the ones we got. We had some success inside but we never did really get the offense in sync. On the offensive end they seemingly couldn't miss at times and everytime we'd cut the their 10 point lead down to 6 they'd respond with a run to push it back to double figures again and again. The game really wasn't as close as the score suggests. So it goes. The only thing you can do now is move on.
It was a disappointing loss but the issue of making the NCAA tournament for us was already decided and extra couple of days rest could help.
Is there a reason the Point coach won't shake hands with the opposing players? Germ phobia maybe?
It was a disappointing loss but the issue of making the NCAA tournament for us was already decided and extra couple of days rest could help.
Is there a reason the Point coach won't shake hands with the opposing players? Germ phobia maybe?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 29, 2008, 10:35:04 AM
Post by: billys on February 29, 2008, 10:35:04 AM
Now I'm concerned about WW. As I said the other day the only thing that worried me about them was "tournament" inexperience. Last year they were much better than Platteville and were unceremoniously bounced in the first round. This year, while I definitely don't think they are head and shoulders better than Point, National Championship "contenders" don't lose at home.
There has to be some doubt now about their ability to handle that one-and-done pressure. Hopefully not; I still feel they've got a better chance than the other two to have national success. I'd like to chalk Point's success is beating them twice up to familiarity and think that teams that haven't played them yet will struggle with their style in the tournament.
I would still assume they might get an early bracket of a couple teams they will be MUCH better than. A couple playoff wins might get them over the hump. Maybe I'm overreacting.
BW- No concerns?
There has to be some doubt now about their ability to handle that one-and-done pressure. Hopefully not; I still feel they've got a better chance than the other two to have national success. I'd like to chalk Point's success is beating them twice up to familiarity and think that teams that haven't played them yet will struggle with their style in the tournament.
I would still assume they might get an early bracket of a couple teams they will be MUCH better than. A couple playoff wins might get them over the hump. Maybe I'm overreacting.
BW- No concerns?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 11:04:29 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 11:04:29 AM
I wonder who may get the chance to host the 1st/2nd round games. I hope they find a way to sperated the 3 WIAC schools for at least the first two rounds. (I'm going on the assumption that all 3 WIAC schools have bid to host.)
I could see Whitewater hosting a "pod" with Chicago (if they win the UAA), the MWC Champ, and Concordia (Wis.) as a Pool B.
I think geographically, it's going to be harder to separate Point and EC. Either one could host/travel to Minnesota with the MIAC champ, the IIAC champ and one other. If St. Norbert becomes the MWC champ then I could see them in this group too. I hope they can separate Point and EC somehow. Perhaps you send Saturday's loser out to another area and let Saturday's winner host a pod of four.
I could see Whitewater hosting a "pod" with Chicago (if they win the UAA), the MWC Champ, and Concordia (Wis.) as a Pool B.
I think geographically, it's going to be harder to separate Point and EC. Either one could host/travel to Minnesota with the MIAC champ, the IIAC champ and one other. If St. Norbert becomes the MWC champ then I could see them in this group too. I hope they can separate Point and EC somehow. Perhaps you send Saturday's loser out to another area and let Saturday's winner host a pod of four.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 11:26:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 11:26:47 AM
I always have concerns, Bill. But our lack of post season experience is what it is and the only way we're going to change it is, obviously, to play in the postseason. We've finally gotten to a point where we'll get a chance. We're trying to build a program. That happens in steps. We've taken several steps forward and a few backward this year. Now we'll see if we can take the next one.
Personally I think next year's team may be a better one. Not that I don't think this year's team can't make a run in the NCAA tourament. But we'll sure have to play better than we did last night.
I don't know about Point and/or EC but we have submitted a bid to host.
Personally I think next year's team may be a better one. Not that I don't think this year's team can't make a run in the NCAA tourament. But we'll sure have to play better than we did last night.
I don't know about Point and/or EC but we have submitted a bid to host.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on February 29, 2008, 11:49:07 AM
Post by: BuckyC on February 29, 2008, 11:49:07 AM
That Missy Fremstad for the 'Golds sure has a motor.......she was beating Stout defenders down the floor last night and it's not like Stout is a bunch of slow-pokes or anything.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 29, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 29, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
Is there a reason the Point coach won't shake hands with the opposing players? Germ phobia maybe?
BW, I have seen a lot of games this year on both the womens and mens side and it is common for the coaches not to shake hands with the players. I feel that the line of shaking hands is more for the players since they battled with each other for 40, sometimes 45, minutes. In most cases that I saw, the coaches just shake hands at center court, then go get ready to talk to their teams about the game. Just what I usually see after contests.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 12:33:43 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
Is there a reason the Point coach won't shake hands with the opposing players? Germ phobia maybe?
I never really noticed it and I guess I don't think it's that unusual. I didn't see Bo Ryan shake the Michigan State players' hands last night either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 12:40:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 12:40:01 PM
Ok, no biggie, I guess it's not as common as I thought.
The germ phobia thing was just a smart ass comment. ;D
The germ phobia thing was just a smart ass comment. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 29, 2008, 01:01:48 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 29, 2008, 01:01:48 PM
I honestly thought WW would run the table and be the first WIAC #2 seed to win the tourney... I seriously jinx everything!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
On a side note, did anyone see this:
Michigan women's coach Kevin Borseth (formerly of UWGB) flipped out at his press conference after his team blew an 18-point lead to Wisconsin. A classic presser rant!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1079049493?bctid=1437285837
THAT is how you make an entrance!
Michigan women's coach Kevin Borseth (formerly of UWGB) flipped out at his press conference after his team blew an 18-point lead to Wisconsin. A classic presser rant!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1079049493?bctid=1437285837
THAT is how you make an entrance!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 29, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 29, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 29, 2008, 07:56:46 AMQuote from: buf on February 28, 2008, 10:50:52 PM
I also want to congratulate Stout seniors Lindsey Geissler and Joanna Bird on good careers. It was fun watching them for the past few years not only at Stout but also on their high school teams.
One more senior on the squad - Mary Schaefer - also a guard.
No disrespect to her. Its just that I have seen Bird and Geissler play for the past 6 years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 29, 2008, 02:53:11 PM
Post by: buf on February 29, 2008, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 29, 2008, 11:04:29 AM
I wonder who may get the chance to host the 1st/2nd round games. I hope they find a way to sperated the 3 WIAC schools for at least the first two rounds. (I'm going on the assumption that all 3 WIAC schools have bid to host.)
I could see Whitewater hosting a "pod" with Chicago (if they win the UAA), the MWC Champ, and Concordia (Wis.) as a Pool B.
I think geographically, it's going to be harder to separate Point and EC. Either one could host/travel to Minnesota with the MIAC champ, the IIAC champ and one other. If St. Norbert becomes the MWC champ then I could see them in this group too. I hope they can separate Point and EC somehow. Perhaps you send Saturday's loser out to another area and let Saturday's winner host a pod of four.
I think that all 3 potential WIAC tourney teams have a chance at hosting a pod. I would even say 2 of those 3 have a decent shot at each hosting. UWW has a group of teams geographically located around them (such as the teams you mentioned). EC could host the MIAC champ, a possible 2nd MWC team, and maybe Point. Point could also host the MIAC champ, a second MWC team, and UWEC. I agree with you that it would be tough to separate all 3 WIAC teams. I would bet that 2 would show up in a pod of four. Either Point/WW or Point/EC. Point just happens to be stuck in the middle of EC and WW.
Simpson, out of the west region, will probably host. If EC loses tomorrow, I could see them possibly being shipped there. Simpson also could host teams like Wash U, Ill Wesleyan, and the SLIAC champ (probably Webster). If EC wins, I think they will have a good shot at hosting. But who knows what the NCAA is going to do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 29, 2008, 07:27:47 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 29, 2008, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2008, 09:52:05 AMIs there a reason the Point coach won't shake hands with the opposing players? Germ phobia maybe?
Coach Keri learned from Coach T at Stout, and I'm sure that you are used to seeing the hand shake done as a "normal" routine thing.
After the game last night, Coach T immediately went and shook hands with Coach Englund and then hurried back to the end of the Stout players handshake line so that he could shake EC players hands.
Another Coach T trait - at the last regular season game against each opponent, Coach T will always seek out the opposing teams seniors after the game. It just a way to let them know that the four years they've put into the sport was noticed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 04:42:04 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 04:42:04 PM
Stevens Point 27, Eau Claire 25, Halftime
STP: Nicastro and Sporle with 6 each, Houghton with 5, 36.7 FG%, 7 TOs
EC: Burns and Anderson with 8 each, Witt with 5, 45.8 FG%, 10 TOs
STP: Nicastro and Sporle with 6 each, Houghton with 5, 36.7 FG%, 7 TOs
EC: Burns and Anderson with 8 each, Witt with 5, 45.8 FG%, 10 TOs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 05:31:57 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 05:31:57 PM
STP 52, EC 50, 2:25 to go.
EC struggling at the free throw line is making a big difference. STP 14-17 at the line, EC just 4-10
EC struggling at the free throw line is making a big difference. STP 14-17 at the line, EC just 4-10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 05:36:12 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 05:36:12 PM
STP 58, EC 50, 0:47 left
The dominance of the #1 seed may be at an end.
EC has gone the last 3:30 without a FG.
The dominance of the #1 seed may be at an end.
EC has gone the last 3:30 without a FG.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 05:41:20 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 05:41:20 PM
FINAL!
STP 62, EC 50
EC outshoots SP, but Point turns the ball over just 10 times (EC had 18), and holds a huge advantage at the foul line 20-23 compared to EC's 4-10. EC doesn't score a point over the final 3:52.
Point is in, WW would seem to be a Pool C lock. EC should be in, but they will have the most nervous Sunday.
STP 62, EC 50
EC outshoots SP, but Point turns the ball over just 10 times (EC had 18), and holds a huge advantage at the foul line 20-23 compared to EC's 4-10. EC doesn't score a point over the final 3:52.
Point is in, WW would seem to be a Pool C lock. EC should be in, but they will have the most nervous Sunday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
"Local" Pool A's
WIAC - UW-Stevens Point
MWC - St. Norbert
CCIW - Illinois Wesleyan
UAA - Chicago
MIAC - Carelton
IIAC - Simpson/Coe
Possible Pool B - Concordia Wis.
WIAC - UW-Stevens Point
MWC - St. Norbert
CCIW - Illinois Wesleyan
UAA - Chicago
MIAC - Carelton
IIAC - Simpson/Coe
Possible Pool B - Concordia Wis.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 01, 2008, 06:19:07 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 01, 2008, 06:19:07 PM
Credit to the Pointers, they are still playing well down the stretch and won today's game, no question. They are a scary team...
Yes, the Pointers hit their FTs, which was a factor, but I think the D they played today was tremendous.
Michelle Burns had 8 points, all the first half; Ashley Anderson (11 points, most in the first half) took up some of the scoring load to keep UWEC in it, trailing by two at 27-25...
Heidi Arciszewski was held to 6; Amanda Zenner picked up the scoring load the second half, notching all 14 of her points to keep the 'Golds in it. But the drought came down the stretch; a key was when Arciszewski picked up her fourth foul with about 6 minutes to go and had to sit out...
Turnovers were big, too, as Just Bill mentions. At with UWSP up 52-50 with 3:52m that's when the Pointers went on a 10-0 run to close it out, forcing five of the 18 turnovers, too...
Both teams denied the threes tonight, so it was an inside game, for the most part... Chelsea Kranz (15), Haley Houghton (13) and Jessi Sporle (10) lead UWSP in scoring today...
Be a shame to see the 'Golds season come to an end today; they are deserving of a bid. The Warhawks will be waiting for news, too. But the WIAC deserves the hat trick, with the Pointers hosting at least one game, for sure... If the 'Golds get in, they deserve to host as well, seeings the nice crowds they have been drawing. But I'll let the prognosticators and selection committee decide who goes where, if fate is on UWEC's side to get in... Hope they don't all have to beat each other up right away, if all three are in..
Not far to compare, but I will. The Pointers, unlike the championship-calibre teams at the beginning of the decade, don't have the marquee players this year, whereas you tried to concentrate on stopping certain players on those previous teams, and take your chances letting others on those teams beat you.
That being said, that's why the Pointers are dangerous, a scary team heading into the tournament. There isn't one person you can key on; they have played well all year as a team, and someone different has stepped up throughout the season... Plus, they have a coach who knows a little bit about hanging an NCAA championship banner from the wall. I would not be surprised to see them make a Final Four appearance...
Best of luck to them, and fingers crossed for us Blugold and Warhawks fans, as we await our fates...
Yes, the Pointers hit their FTs, which was a factor, but I think the D they played today was tremendous.
Michelle Burns had 8 points, all the first half; Ashley Anderson (11 points, most in the first half) took up some of the scoring load to keep UWEC in it, trailing by two at 27-25...
Heidi Arciszewski was held to 6; Amanda Zenner picked up the scoring load the second half, notching all 14 of her points to keep the 'Golds in it. But the drought came down the stretch; a key was when Arciszewski picked up her fourth foul with about 6 minutes to go and had to sit out...
Turnovers were big, too, as Just Bill mentions. At with UWSP up 52-50 with 3:52m that's when the Pointers went on a 10-0 run to close it out, forcing five of the 18 turnovers, too...
Both teams denied the threes tonight, so it was an inside game, for the most part... Chelsea Kranz (15), Haley Houghton (13) and Jessi Sporle (10) lead UWSP in scoring today...
Be a shame to see the 'Golds season come to an end today; they are deserving of a bid. The Warhawks will be waiting for news, too. But the WIAC deserves the hat trick, with the Pointers hosting at least one game, for sure... If the 'Golds get in, they deserve to host as well, seeings the nice crowds they have been drawing. But I'll let the prognosticators and selection committee decide who goes where, if fate is on UWEC's side to get in... Hope they don't all have to beat each other up right away, if all three are in..
Not far to compare, but I will. The Pointers, unlike the championship-calibre teams at the beginning of the decade, don't have the marquee players this year, whereas you tried to concentrate on stopping certain players on those previous teams, and take your chances letting others on those teams beat you.
That being said, that's why the Pointers are dangerous, a scary team heading into the tournament. There isn't one person you can key on; they have played well all year as a team, and someone different has stepped up throughout the season... Plus, they have a coach who knows a little bit about hanging an NCAA championship banner from the wall. I would not be surprised to see them make a Final Four appearance...
Best of luck to them, and fingers crossed for us Blugold and Warhawks fans, as we await our fates...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2008, 06:22:34 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2008, 06:22:34 PM
Great game today at Zorn. Too bad my team came up on the short end. It was nip and tuck (except for the last minute) the whole game, usually a one possession game. Point just played a flawless, smart game and made EC earn every point they got. Great defense by Point. They are probably the toughest matchup for EC.
What does the outcome of this game mean? It shouldn't mean much as far as # of WIAC teams in the tourney. EC will have to sweat out selection Monday, but they SHOULD get in. The loss for EC takes away pretty much any chance of hosting. I thought they would have a good chance to host had they won. The win for Point now makes them a possible host.
I have to give it up to Point. They defeated both UWEC and UWW on the road within 2 days. Pretty incredible!
What does the outcome of this game mean? It shouldn't mean much as far as # of WIAC teams in the tourney. EC will have to sweat out selection Monday, but they SHOULD get in. The loss for EC takes away pretty much any chance of hosting. I thought they would have a good chance to host had they won. The win for Point now makes them a possible host.
I have to give it up to Point. They defeated both UWEC and UWW on the road within 2 days. Pretty incredible!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2008, 06:38:40 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2008, 06:38:40 PM
bulk-
You're beating me to the punch late in the season ;D
Also, teams host groups of 4 now. I believe only 1 team will host for just one game on the women's side, and that game will be played on Wednesday. Otherwise all are on Friday/Saturday
You're beating me to the punch late in the season ;D
Also, teams host groups of 4 now. I believe only 1 team will host for just one game on the women's side, and that game will be played on Wednesday. Otherwise all are on Friday/Saturday
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2008, 06:55:34 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2008, 06:55:34 PM
Well, there has been a couple upsets so far. So. Maine lost and another (Wm Smith?). However, Carleton won the MIAC which could help EC's situation since EC beat them earlier this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 12:32:18 AM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 12:32:18 AM
UWEC's Pool C Bid Competition
Regional record (through 3-1-08 games) and OWP/OOWP listed (through 2-29-08)
West
NWC- George Fox (16-3) .575/.517
Central
MWC- Lake Forest (21-4) .457/.526
UAA- Wash U (15-5) .637/.571
WIAC- Eau Claire (20-5) .596/.560, UWW (22-3) .611/.557
Great Lakes
MIAA- Albion (17-4) .479/.522
NCAC- Kenyon (18-4) .426/.465
South
SCAC- DePauw (21-1) .575/.533, Oglethorpe (21-4) .564/.537, Trinity (19-5) .545/.524
ASC- Howard Payne (25-0) .537/.509, McMurry (24-2) .532/.511
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Albright (18-5) .604/.547, Lebanon Valley (21-5) .504/.531
Atlantic
CAC- Marymount (22-5) .578/.527
NJAC- New Jersey (20-6) .619/.553, William Patterson (20-6) .592/.541
East
LL- William Smith (21-3) .548/.541
UAA- Rochester (18-5) .636/.574
Northeast
NESCAC- Bowdoin(16-6) .635/.568, Amherst (23-2) .526/.559, Tufts (23-2) .633/.570
LEC- Southern Maine (25-3) .541/.555
MASCAC- Salem State (21-4) .552/.534
UAA- Brandeis (18-6) .621/.579
These are the teams that I see UWEC competing with for the 21 Pool C Bids given out. There are 25 teams listed above. However, the SCAC, ASC, and the NESCAC still have their conference tourney finals to be played on Sunday. So one bid in each of those conferences will go towards pool A. That leaves 22 teams remaining.
In the West, George Fox has a slightly better regional record percentage than EC, but not a lot of regional games and also they have a lower OWP and OOWP.
In the Central, UWW will clearly get a bid before EC. EC should be in over Lake Forest. The only thing Lake Forest has over EC is a better regional record percentage. They have a well lower OWP/OOWP and are 0-2 against St. Norberts, a team EC beat earlier this season. Wash U has a bit lower RR percentage but a better OWP/OOWP than EC
In the GL region, Albion and Kenyon have better RR percentages than EC but way lower OWP/OOWP
In the South region, Depauw, McMurry, and Howard Payne would have a clear advantage over EC if they were to lose tomorrow. Oglethorpe would have a slightly better RR% but a bit lower OWP/OOWP. EC should get in over Trinity due to a better RR% and OWP/OOWP
Well, there are 4 regions to go and I think everyone gets the idea here. Bottom line is that I would be absolutely shocked if EC does NOT get a Pool C Bid.
Regional record (through 3-1-08 games) and OWP/OOWP listed (through 2-29-08)
West
NWC- George Fox (16-3) .575/.517
Central
MWC- Lake Forest (21-4) .457/.526
UAA- Wash U (15-5) .637/.571
WIAC- Eau Claire (20-5) .596/.560, UWW (22-3) .611/.557
Great Lakes
MIAA- Albion (17-4) .479/.522
NCAC- Kenyon (18-4) .426/.465
South
SCAC- DePauw (21-1) .575/.533, Oglethorpe (21-4) .564/.537, Trinity (19-5) .545/.524
ASC- Howard Payne (25-0) .537/.509, McMurry (24-2) .532/.511
Middle Atlantic
MACC- Albright (18-5) .604/.547, Lebanon Valley (21-5) .504/.531
Atlantic
CAC- Marymount (22-5) .578/.527
NJAC- New Jersey (20-6) .619/.553, William Patterson (20-6) .592/.541
East
LL- William Smith (21-3) .548/.541
UAA- Rochester (18-5) .636/.574
Northeast
NESCAC- Bowdoin(16-6) .635/.568, Amherst (23-2) .526/.559, Tufts (23-2) .633/.570
LEC- Southern Maine (25-3) .541/.555
MASCAC- Salem State (21-4) .552/.534
UAA- Brandeis (18-6) .621/.579
These are the teams that I see UWEC competing with for the 21 Pool C Bids given out. There are 25 teams listed above. However, the SCAC, ASC, and the NESCAC still have their conference tourney finals to be played on Sunday. So one bid in each of those conferences will go towards pool A. That leaves 22 teams remaining.
In the West, George Fox has a slightly better regional record percentage than EC, but not a lot of regional games and also they have a lower OWP and OOWP.
In the Central, UWW will clearly get a bid before EC. EC should be in over Lake Forest. The only thing Lake Forest has over EC is a better regional record percentage. They have a well lower OWP/OOWP and are 0-2 against St. Norberts, a team EC beat earlier this season. Wash U has a bit lower RR percentage but a better OWP/OOWP than EC
In the GL region, Albion and Kenyon have better RR percentages than EC but way lower OWP/OOWP
In the South region, Depauw, McMurry, and Howard Payne would have a clear advantage over EC if they were to lose tomorrow. Oglethorpe would have a slightly better RR% but a bit lower OWP/OOWP. EC should get in over Trinity due to a better RR% and OWP/OOWP
Well, there are 4 regions to go and I think everyone gets the idea here. Bottom line is that I would be absolutely shocked if EC does NOT get a Pool C Bid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
D3Hoops.com women's field projections: http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/08/projected.htm
They had UWW as the second Pool C into the field and UWEC as the sixth. I think they're both in good shape. For the pods of interest D3Hoops projects...
Wilmington vs. Washington U.
St. Norbert vs. UW-Whitewater (UWW host unless their men are selected to host. In that case Wash U. hosts)
Ohio Northern vs. UW-Eau Claire
D'Youville vs. Hope (Host)
St. Thomas vs. UW-Stevens Point
Carleton vs. Simpson (Host)
They had UWW as the second Pool C into the field and UWEC as the sixth. I think they're both in good shape. For the pods of interest D3Hoops projects...
Wilmington vs. Washington U.
St. Norbert vs. UW-Whitewater (UWW host unless their men are selected to host. In that case Wash U. hosts)
Ohio Northern vs. UW-Eau Claire
D'Youville vs. Hope (Host)
St. Thomas vs. UW-Stevens Point
Carleton vs. Simpson (Host)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 02:38:05 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 02:38:05 PM
If I had to guess, I would say WW will most likely be on the road after their men won last night. I believe in even numbered years the men have first priority in hosting the 1st/2nd rounds, while the women have first priority in the 3rd/4th rounds. The WW men were first in their region last week, so winning the WIAC tourny shouldn't do anything to change that. Just speculation, but I would say they would be on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 07:11:50 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 07:11:50 PM
I know that the last regional rankings don't become official, but any thought of what they will be? I am guessin EC will drop and Chicago will be above them, since they have the same amount of regional losses and Chicago won head to head. After a week of no changes, this week there would have been major changes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 09:41:42 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 09:41:42 PM
EC and UWW are officially in
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2008, 10:06:23 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2008, 10:06:23 PM
Thought they would be, but still sweated it out a bit! ;)
So, which team in the nation can go on a six-game winning streak? I think the Pointers can win four in a row, which will put them in a Final Four spot...
The Blugolds and Whitewater? Well, here's hoping they are successful based on the unfamiliarity the others teams will have when playing them...
So, which team in the nation can go on a six-game winning streak? I think the Pointers can win four in a row, which will put them in a Final Four spot...
The Blugolds and Whitewater? Well, here's hoping they are successful based on the unfamiliarity the others teams will have when playing them...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 10:15:33 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 10:15:33 PM
Can't wait till the morning to see where everyone goes. I would think SP would have a good shot at hosting after winning the conference tournament. WW would have had a good shot in my mind until their men won Saturday night. I hope we can get at least 2 out of these 3 teams into the sweet sixteen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 10:15:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2008, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2008, 02:38:05 PM
If I had to guess, I would say WW will most likely be on the road after their men won last night. I believe in even numbered years the men have first priority in hosting the 1st/2nd rounds, while the women have first priority in the 3rd/4th rounds. The WW men were first in their region last week, so winning the WIAC tourny shouldn't do anything to change that. Just speculation, but I would say they would be on the road.
You bring up a good point. It looks like the UWW men will be hosting. If that is the case, I would guess Point is almost a lock for hosting. Perhaps, they would host EC, St. Thomas and someone else.
EC might also go to Simpson, Iowa.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:12:23 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:12:23 AM
Point hosts, plays St Norbert. The other game there is St. Thomas versus Chicago
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
EC plays Carleton. GAC plays Simpson. Both games at Simpson
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
UWW goes to Ill. Wesleyan. I didn't catch who they play. Maryville plays Ill Wesleyan in the other game there.
EC and UWW are in the same quarter of the bracket. Point is on the other side of the bracket.
EC and UWW are in the same quarter of the bracket. Point is on the other side of the bracket.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:29:18 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
EC plays Carleton. GAC plays Simpson. Both games at Simpson
UWEC plays Carleton yet again this season. EC won by 23 at Carleton in December. Probably one of the best games EC played this season. However, Carleton just won the MIAC conference tourney championship, so it looks like they are peaking at the right time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:31:19 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:31:19 AM
Shirley Enger, Point's coach, is now on Hoopsville. She is the chairperson of the national selection committee.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 03, 2008, 09:32:37 AM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 03, 2008, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: buf on March 03, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
UWW goes to Ill. Wesleyan. I didn't catch who they play. Maryville plays Ill Wesleyan in the other game there.
UWW plays Manchester.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on March 03, 2008, 10:06:29 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on March 03, 2008, 10:06:29 AM
It'd be awesome to see SP vs WW for the national title! At this point you just want to win one game at a time!
Congrats to Point on hosting - looking forward to seeing some games!
Congrats to Point on hosting - looking forward to seeing some games!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 10:32:53 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on March 03, 2008, 10:06:29 AM
It'd be awesome to see SP vs WW for the national title! At this point you just want to win one game at a time!
Congrats to Point on hosting - looking forward to seeing some games!
It would be more awesome to see EC vs. WW for the national title ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 10:54:05 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: buf on March 03, 2008, 10:32:53 AMwhich isn't possible....Quote from: shootfromthearc on March 03, 2008, 10:06:29 AM
It'd be awesome to see SP vs WW for the national title! At this point you just want to win one game at a time!
Congrats to Point on hosting - looking forward to seeing some games!
It would be more awesome to see EC vs. WW for the national title ;D
I rarely venture out of my bunker, but I may have to make the trip to Point for that pod.
I'm assuming the fact the UWW isn't home probably means the Whitewater men will be.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
It looks like UWW has the easiest 1st round game (vs Manchester) of the WIAC teams. They should have no problem. My take: UWW in a blowout.
Point has kind of a tough opponent in St. Norberts. I think Point will win, but it could be close. I'm surprised that Point wasn't matched up with St. Thomas instead. From what I can gather, St. Norberts is a little better team.
EC is playing on the road, so who knows how they will play. They beat Carleton by 23 in Carleton's gym, but then lost a couple weeks later to Gustavus on a neutral court. Carleton and Gustavus are pretty even teams. I'll take EC in a close one.
IF all WIAC teams advance, they would all probably have very tough 2nd round matchups (if the favorites win). WW at Ill Wes, Chicago at Point, EC at Simpson
Point has kind of a tough opponent in St. Norberts. I think Point will win, but it could be close. I'm surprised that Point wasn't matched up with St. Thomas instead. From what I can gather, St. Norberts is a little better team.
EC is playing on the road, so who knows how they will play. They beat Carleton by 23 in Carleton's gym, but then lost a couple weeks later to Gustavus on a neutral court. Carleton and Gustavus are pretty even teams. I'll take EC in a close one.
IF all WIAC teams advance, they would all probably have very tough 2nd round matchups (if the favorites win). WW at Ill Wes, Chicago at Point, EC at Simpson
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 10:54:05 AMQuote from: buf on March 03, 2008, 10:32:53 AMwhich isn't possible....Quote from: shootfromthearc on March 03, 2008, 10:06:29 AM
It'd be awesome to see SP vs WW for the national title! At this point you just want to win one game at a time!
Congrats to Point on hosting - looking forward to seeing some games!
It would be more awesome to see EC vs. WW for the national title ;D
I rarely venture out of my bunker, but I may have to make the trip to Point for that pod.
I'm assuming the fact the UWW isn't home probably means the Whitewater men will be.
Whoops, I meant EC vs Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Downtown on March 03, 2008, 05:20:01 PM
Post by: Mr. Downtown on March 03, 2008, 05:20:01 PM
Just finished my bracket, and I think the Point's women can make the Elite 8.
However, I just think that the region Whitewater and Eau Claire are in is too tough. I have both team's out in the 2nd round.
It would be great though to see a Sweet 16 match up of Eau Claire vs Whitewater!!
However, I just think that the region Whitewater and Eau Claire are in is too tough. I have both team's out in the 2nd round.
It would be great though to see a Sweet 16 match up of Eau Claire vs Whitewater!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 09:13:50 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 09:13:50 PM
I'm assuming the women's games are at Quandt. Better get in there and start shooting around to get familiar with the surrounds, lighting, depth etc!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 09:41:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 09:41:19 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 09:13:50 PM
I'm assuming the women's games are at Quandt. Better get in there and start shooting around to get familiar with the surrounds, lighting, depth etc!
I wouldn't assume that. Typically, they've played 1st and 2nd round games at Berg and played Sectionals in Quandt. That's the way it went in 2002 and 2004. It may be different this time around since the 1st and 2nd rounds are now a four-team pod instead of single games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 09:53:30 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 09:53:30 PM
I realize that Whitewater lost in the semis of the WIAC tourney, but it surprises me that they aren't hosting. I guess two things come to mind: Point is already hosting and they probably didn't want two WIAC schools hosting and Whitewater men are hosting and they have "seniority" the first weekend. If both advance, the women could get the 2nd weekend and the men heading to either Ohio or Michigan (Hope College)...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on March 03, 2008, 09:54:52 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on March 03, 2008, 09:54:52 PM
The games on Friday will be in the Berg gym, at 6 PM and 8 PM. The two winners will play on Saturday at 7 PM on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 09:53:30 PM
I realize that Whitewater lost in the semis of the WIAC tourney, but it surprises me that they aren't hosting. I guess two things come to mind: Point is already hosting and they probably didn't want two WIAC schools hosting and Whitewater men are hosting and they have "seniority" the first weekend. If both advance, the women could get the 2nd weekend and the men heading to either Ohio or Michigan (Hope College)...
If you notice, they were paired against the weakest team in that pod, so that makes me think they are the top "seed" of the four. I think the UWW women were selected to host, but lost out because the men's program was also selected and had priority.
If UWW wins twice, I would bet they host a sectional, since one opponent comes from the Simpson pod and one comes from the DePauw pod, both relatively local. All they have to do is fly in the winner of the Amherst pod and they've got a nice single flight sectional with UWW as the highest seed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 04, 2008, 01:04:30 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 04, 2008, 01:04:30 AM
Yea, I would think Depauw would be in line to host over WW in terms of maybe a better team in the eyes of some people, but the whole distance thing makes things more difficult. They are going to have a hard time playing Illinois Wesleyan though. Playing in Shirk will be very tough.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 04, 2008, 09:51:35 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 04, 2008, 09:51:35 AM
I think I misspoke before. The 2002 sectional was actually in Berg Gym, not Quandt.
According to this article (http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080304/SPJ02/803040489/1678/SPJsports) the games this weekend are in Berg.
According to this article (http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080304/SPJ02/803040489/1678/SPJsports) the games this weekend are in Berg.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 06, 2008, 06:35:40 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 06, 2008, 06:35:40 PM
WIAC All-conference performers came out today and Burns was POY and Coach Egner was COY. I think both deserve this honor by the way the their seasons have been up to this point. I was not really surprised by any of the first or honorable mention picks, but I really do like Sportsmanship Team. A lot of those players really deserve that kind of recognition after a really good collegiate season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 07, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 07, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
I wonder what Carollo has to do to win the honor. Picked to finish 7th last year she guided the team to 2nd and lost to Thomas who was picked to win the league and did. This year picked to finish second she wins a share of the championship while Enger, picked to finish 3rd and finishing 3rd, wins the honor.
If you want to make the award Coach of the last month of the season Enger wins it hands down but it's called Coach of the Year and Carollo got the short stick again.
If you want to make the award Coach of the last month of the season Enger wins it hands down but it's called Coach of the Year and Carollo got the short stick again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 07, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
I wonder what Carollo has to do to win the honor. Picked to finish 7th last year she guided the team to 2nd and lost to Thomas who was picked to win the league and did. This year picked to finish second she wins a share of the championship while Enger, picked to finish 3rd and finishing 3rd, wins the honor.
If you want to make the award Coach of the last month of the season Enger wins it hands down but it's called Coach of the Year and Carollo got the short stick again.
I'm not saying it's right and not saying it's fair but the women's COY award has had a strong popularity element to it in the past. If the other coaches don't like you your chances are diminished. Egner can attest to that in previous years as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 07, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
Post by: stoutguy on March 07, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 03:36:00 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 07, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
I wonder what Carollo has to do to win the honor. Picked to finish 7th last year she guided the team to 2nd and lost to Thomas who was picked to win the league and did. This year picked to finish second she wins a share of the championship while Enger, picked to finish 3rd and finishing 3rd, wins the honor.
If you want to make the award Coach of the last month of the season Enger wins it hands down but it's called Coach of the Year and Carollo got the short stick again.
I'm not saying it's right and not saying it's fair but the women's COY award has had a strong popularity element to it in the past. If the other coaches don't like you your chances are diminished. Egner can attest to that in previous years as well.
Couldn't agree more, BW. I am confused by your comment, Just Bill. Please elaborate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 04:42:30 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 04:42:30 PM
Yes, I too think that Carollo should have at least won it once in the past two seasons, probably more so last season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 07, 2008, 05:39:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 07, 2008, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on March 07, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
Couldn't agree more, BW. I am confused by your comment, Just Bill. Please elaborate.
Let me second that...
I will still say that Coach T earned the award last year by being the first WIAC coach to ever do a 3peat for WIAC Conference and WIAC Tournament Championships though.
But putting those two seasons that she together back to back, I don't understand how she was denied the honor this year.
Good luck against Manchester!!! 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 07, 2008, 05:49:15 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 07, 2008, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 07, 2008, 05:39:41 PMQuote from: stoutguy on March 07, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
Couldn't agree more, BW. I am confused by your comment, Just Bill. Please elaborate.
Let me second that...
I will still say that Coach T earned the award last year by being the first WIAC coach to ever do a 3peat for WIAC Conference and WIAC Tournament Championships though.
But putting those two seasons that she together back to back, I don't understand how she was denied the honor this year.
Good luck against Manchester!!! 8)
Just so I am not confused, it is Coach of the Year, right? Not Coach of the Past Couple Seasons? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 03, 2008, 10:04:06 PMQuote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 09:53:30 PM
I realize that Whitewater lost in the semis of the WIAC tourney, but it surprises me that they aren't hosting. I guess two things come to mind: Point is already hosting and they probably didn't want two WIAC schools hosting and Whitewater men are hosting and they have "seniority" the first weekend. If both advance, the women could get the 2nd weekend and the men heading to either Ohio or Michigan (Hope College)...
If you notice, they were paired against the weakest team in that pod, so that makes me think they are the top "seed" of the four. I think the UWW women were selected to host, but lost out because the men's program was also selected and had priority.
If UWW wins twice, I would bet they host a sectional, since one opponent comes from the Simpson pod and one comes from the DePauw pod, both relatively local. All they have to do is fly in the winner of the Amherst pod and they've got a nice single flight sectional with UWW as the highest seed.
UWW was paired against the team with the worst record, but they may or may not be the #4 - Maryville (or anyone else in the SLIAC) has never won a tourney game. Assuming neither IWU or UWW stumbles tonight, I'm really looking forward to the 'pod finals'.
And IF DePauw survives their pod (2 OAC teams and WashU - wow!), I'd expect the sectional to be either in Greencastle or at the wnner of IWU/UWW. (Since Greencastle and Bloomington already hosted the first weekend, Whitewater might have the advantage if they survive.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:14:46 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:14:46 PM
EC 14 Carleton 13 10min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
Carleton up 25 20 4min
There is a video feed. Look at the front page, right side for the link.
There is a video feed. Look at the front page, right side for the link.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
EC goes on a run before the half and leads 29-25. Could have been 31-25, but EC bobbled away an easy breakaway pass.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
EC up 35-25 16min
Carleton hasn't scored in 9min
Carleton hasn't scored in 9min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:06:37 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:06:37 PM
EC up 45-37 11min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:13:13 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:13:13 PM
EC up 48-40 8min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
EC up 55-47 3:41left
Carleton had cut the lead to 3 and had the ball
Carleton had cut the lead to 3 and had the ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:33:10 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:33:10 PM
EC wins 61-52 over Carleton
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:48:34 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 07:48:34 PM
UWW only up at the half, 30-26, over Manchester.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 08:24:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 08:24:50 PM
UWW now taking control, up 58-43, 8min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 08:46:27 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 08:46:27 PM
UWW wins, 77-60.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:20:41 PM
Point down 11-2 early
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
Nuenfelt with 2 3s in a row. Point now only down 18-16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:50:23 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:50:23 PM
Point down 31-27 at the half. I figured that this may be a pretty close game. Hopefully Point has a good 2nd half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 09:54:25 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on March 07, 2008, 04:31:11 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 03:36:00 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 07, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
I wonder what Carollo has to do to win the honor. Picked to finish 7th last year she guided the team to 2nd and lost to Thomas who was picked to win the league and did. This year picked to finish second she wins a share of the championship while Enger, picked to finish 3rd and finishing 3rd, wins the honor.
If you want to make the award Coach of the last month of the season Enger wins it hands down but it's called Coach of the Year and Carollo got the short stick again.
I'm not saying it's right and not saying it's fair but the women's COY award has had a strong popularity element to it in the past. If the other coaches don't like you your chances are diminished. Egner can attest to that in previous years as well.
Couldn't agree more, BW. I am confused by your comment, Just Bill. Please elaborate.
It's difficult to have a winning program without rubbing some other coaches the wrong way. In the past, coaches in this league have held grudges against other coaches on their COY ballot for any number of perceived offenses. I think all the coaches in this league who have had an upper division team have gotten the short end of the stick on this award at one time or another.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 09:55:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:50:23 PM
Point down 31-27 at the half. I figured that this may be a pretty close game. Hopefully Point has a good 2nd half
I think Point needed to shake out some of those first NCAA game jitters. I think they'll be better in the second half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
Ranked teams are 19-1 tonight in the tournament. Only Southern Maine took a loss.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:11:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 09:55:40 PMQuote from: buf on March 07, 2008, 09:50:23 PM
Point down 31-27 at the half. I figured that this may be a pretty close game. Hopefully Point has a good 2nd half
I think Point needed to shake out some of those first NCAA game jitters. I think they'll be better in the second half.
They better shake them out fast. Point down 41-31, 16min. I can't believe that Nubs is shooting 59% against that Point D.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
Point had it down to 3, but SNC currently leads 50-40 with 10:22 to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
Point cut the lead down to 3 at 43-40, but Norberts on a 7-0 run to make it 50-40, 10min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:27:18 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:27:18 PM
Bill is to fast for me :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:28:55 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:28:55 PM
Point down by 12 with 8min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:29:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:27:18 PMBeat you by 50 seconds
Bill is to fast for me :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:30:22 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 10:30:22 PM
Point in serious, serious trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:33:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:33:24 PM
About time to turn the lights out, Point down 58-43 6min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:35:07 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:35:07 PM
Down by 17 with 5min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:48:11 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:48:11 PM
Point down 9 with 1min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:54:22 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 10:54:22 PM
Point loses 71-57. WOW!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 11:01:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 11:01:14 PM
I feel bad for that senior class. They really had a nice four year run. I hope they're not remembered for this game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 11:13:40 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 11:13:40 PM
It was looking like the WIAC (both men and women) was going to go 5-0 tonight. They had a 3-0 lead with Point women and UWW men playing on their home courts in the late games. Both those home teams lost.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on March 07, 2008, 11:28:27 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on March 07, 2008, 11:28:27 PM
Wow...speechless. Glad I didn't go. Appears they laid quite an egg. Neunfeldt appeared to be the only one who showed up but I'm betting Norbert's did something pretty special to shut them down. Looking forward to reading up on this one. First Farve, now this. What a week...
Congrats to Neuenfeldt, Kranz, Houghton, Peeler, Nicastro and Heuer on some great careers. Some great players and spectacular human beings...looking forward to their contributions off the court!
Looks like I'm rootin' for WW! Sorry, EC - never have, never will be a Bluegold...not even sure what one is!
Congrats to Neuenfeldt, Kranz, Houghton, Peeler, Nicastro and Heuer on some great careers. Some great players and spectacular human beings...looking forward to their contributions off the court!
Looks like I'm rootin' for WW! Sorry, EC - never have, never will be a Bluegold...not even sure what one is!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 08, 2008, 05:19:56 AM
Post by: stoutguy on March 08, 2008, 05:19:56 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 09:54:25 PMQuote from: stoutguy on March 07, 2008, 04:31:11 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 07, 2008, 03:36:00 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 07, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
I wonder what Carollo has to do to win the honor. Picked to finish 7th last year she guided the team to 2nd and lost to Thomas who was picked to win the league and did. This year picked to finish second she wins a share of the championship while Enger, picked to finish 3rd and finishing 3rd, wins the honor.
If you want to make the award Coach of the last month of the season Enger wins it hands down but it's called Coach of the Year and Carollo got the short stick again.
I'm not saying it's right and not saying it's fair but the women's COY award has had a strong popularity element to it in the past. If the other coaches don't like you your chances are diminished. Egner can attest to that in previous years as well.
Couldn't agree more, BW. I am confused by your comment, Just Bill. Please elaborate.
It's difficult to have a winning program without rubbing some other coaches the wrong way. In the past, coaches in this league have held grudges against other coaches on their COY ballot for any number of perceived offenses. I think all the coaches in this league who have had an upper division team have gotten the short end of the stick on this award at one time or another.
Makes sense. I get it now. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 08, 2008, 06:56:39 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 08, 2008, 06:56:39 AM
FINE!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 07:30:37 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 07:30:37 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 07, 2008, 05:49:15 PMJust so I am not confused, it is Coach of the Year, right? Not Coach of the Past Couple Seasons? ;)
It is Coach of the Year. But as in many of these type awards, sometimes the first time you are considered for the honor you lose out because some people wonder if it was the "one year wonder" syndrome.
Last season, Keri led her team to a very dynamic turnaround. But when you're near the bottom, that's not always so hard to do. But then she backed up that season by leading her squad to the WIAC regular season championship, was the highest ranked WIAC team in the nation virtually all year - including the final rankings.
As BW posted - Keri was really the COY. Shirley was the Coach of the Three Weeks. Her three weeks was February 9th through March 1st.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 10:32:32 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 07:30:37 AMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 07, 2008, 05:49:15 PMJust so I am not confused, it is Coach of the Year, right? Not Coach of the Past Couple Seasons? ;)
It is Coach of the Year. But as in many of these type awards, sometimes the first time you are considered for the honor you lose out because some people wonder if it was the "one year wonder" syndrome.
Last season, Keri led her team to a very dynamic turnaround. But when you're near the bottom, that's not always so hard to do. But then she backed up that season by leading her squad to the WIAC regular season championship, was the highest ranked WIAC team in the nation virtually all year - including the final rankings.
As BW posted - Keri was really the COY. Shirley was the Coach of the Three Weeks. Her three weeks was February 9th through March 1st.
As I recall, Corollo did not even coach in every game. I am sure she did not travel with her team to California over winter break because of her pregnancy, so can she really be coach of the year? Her team won games without her. She is a really good coach, but even if you are a really good coach, other can be more deserving.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 08, 2008, 10:56:20 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 08, 2008, 10:56:20 AM
QuoteHer team won games without herThat implies a coach only coaches during games. I suspect the weeks prior to the first game, prior to the first conference game, days between games, days after season ends and posts-season starts, a coach also might be around to direct his or her team. I would say a very good coach probably has assistants and team ready to play any game with him or her there or not. Preparation is key.
I agree; I would pick Keri over Shirley. If nothing else, inducing labor in order to get to a basketball game has to carry some weight. What dedication!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 11:08:07 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 11:08:07 AM
I agree with you about having to coach 24/7 during the practices and before/after games , but there are in-game adjustments that are also very critical to winning. And I do not know if other coaches do not like her. I only saw one of their games on tv and it was when they were at Superior. I was amazed that she still had her team pressing when they were up by 35 in the second half! I know a coach has to have all their players involved and ready to play, but a coach should know when enough is enough during the game. No team deserves to be embarressed, much less on their homecourt. I do not know if this was in isolated incident or this is how she usually coaches.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 08, 2008, 11:12:46 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 08, 2008, 11:12:46 AM
AHA, now we know why she didn't get COY.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 11:21:21 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 11:21:21 AM
:D
I also do not see why no one is mentioning the Eau Claire coach for COY. Her team had the same record as WWs coach and made it deeper in the WIAC tournament. If you ask me, and I know no one is, she is more deserving than WWs coach.
I would argue that the top four teams in the WIAC all had coaches capable of being named COY. I believe that winning the WIAC tourny as a #3 seed and knocking off the #2 and #1 seeds in a couple days takes a lot. I would have voted the same as the WIAC coaches did.
I also do not see why no one is mentioning the Eau Claire coach for COY. Her team had the same record as WWs coach and made it deeper in the WIAC tournament. If you ask me, and I know no one is, she is more deserving than WWs coach.
I would argue that the top four teams in the WIAC all had coaches capable of being named COY. I believe that winning the WIAC tourny as a #3 seed and knocking off the #2 and #1 seeds in a couple days takes a lot. I would have voted the same as the WIAC coaches did.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on March 08, 2008, 11:42:23 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on March 08, 2008, 11:42:23 AM
Looking for info on last night's SP/STN game...anyone have a perspective? Poor shooting? Great D? Act of God?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 08, 2008, 11:56:08 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 08, 2008, 11:56:08 AM
Everybody humiliated Superior on its home court. Toward the end, the pattern suggested Superior was humiliating itself. (That sounds like I don't think the players can play. I suspect some of the players, maybe most of them can play quite well; however, there was seriously something missing: chemistry? organization? whatever.)
I looked at a couple of box scores. I don't think there were many players that played more than 23 minutes in a game against Superior women. That's just a touch over half the game, so it doesn't appear that coaches were piling on. I could make up a spreadsheet and examine the stats more closely, but who cares?
It seems as though COY gets passed around among a tight little group. Since about 2000, it's been pretty much T from Stout with Shirley, Tonya and Lois thrown in for variety.
I looked at a couple of box scores. I don't think there were many players that played more than 23 minutes in a game against Superior women. That's just a touch over half the game, so it doesn't appear that coaches were piling on. I could make up a spreadsheet and examine the stats more closely, but who cares?
It seems as though COY gets passed around among a tight little group. Since about 2000, it's been pretty much T from Stout with Shirley, Tonya and Lois thrown in for variety.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:00:25 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 10:32:32 AMAs I recall, Corollo did not even coach in every game. I am sure she did not travel with her team to California over winter break because of her pregnancy, so can she really be coach of the year? Her team won games without her. She is a really good coach, but even if you are a really good coach, other can be more deserving.
Who hired the assistant coaches? I would say it almost takes a better coaching job to get her team and her assistants ready for her absense.
Her team just might have played harder to "win one for Keri" while she was not available to be with the team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:12:09 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 11:08:07 AMI only saw one of their games on tv and it was when they were at Superior. I was amazed that she still had her team pressing when they were up by 35 in the second half! I know a coach has to have all their players involved and ready to play, but a coach should know when enough is enough during the game. No team deserves to be embarressed, much less on their homecourt. I do not know if this was in isolated incident or this is how she usually coaches.
It wasn't:
1/5/2008 3:00 pm UW-La Crosse Superior, Wis. L: 46-80
1/12/2008 1:00 pm UW-Oshkosh Superior, Wis. L: 52-67
1/30/2008 7:00 pm UW-Eau Claire Superior, Wis. L: 40-79
2/9/2008 3:00 pm UW-Stevens Point Superior, Wis. L: 60-78
2/13/2008 7:00 pm UW-Stout Superior, Wis. L: 45-73
UWL by 34, UWO by 15 - a team that was 5 - 12 in the WIAC, EC by 39, Point by 18, Stout by 28 all on Superior's home court. It is what it is - Superior was not a good team either on the road or at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 11:21:21 AM
I also do not see why no one is mentioning the Eau Claire coach for COY. Her team had the same record as WWs coach and made it deeper in the WIAC tournament. If you ask me, and I know no one is, she is more deserving than WWs coach.
Well, just to point out a few things...
If, as you suggested above, that embarrassing a team on their home court could be a reason, look at the 39 point road victory by Tonya at Superior. Same result by a different coach.
phoenix_rising mentioned the playing time of the starters in the WW game. Here are the stats for that game:
04 Kelsey Hendrickson.. * 16
14 Trisha Thill........ * 14
20 Lindsey Buechner.... * 15
30 Tiffany Morton...... * 17
42 Heidi Sonntag....... * 20
Not a single starter over 20 minutes of playing time.
Now in comparison, let's look at the UWEC game:
22 Witt, Heather....... * 18
24 Zenner, Amanda...... * 11
34 Arciszewski, Heidi.. * 32
43 Mesick, Hannah...... * 21
44 Burns, Michelle..... * 29
Who was
Three players over 20 minutes - Burns with 29 and Arciszewski with 32.
Your words: "I know a coach has to have all their players involved and ready to play, but a coach should know when enough is enough during the game." Did Tonya really need to play Burns and Arciszewski that much??? ::)
UWEC was the preseason pick to win the WIAC.
UWEC was the lowest rated WIAC team in the DIII poll virtually all season long - which tells us what the rest of the country thought.
Yes Tonya went one game further in the WIAC Tourney, but they lost to Point on her home court just like Keri did and was the first WIAC coach that was the #1 seed to not win the WIAC Tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2008, 02:41:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2008, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 10:32:32 AM
As I recall, Corollo did not even coach in every game. I am sure she did not travel with her team to California over winter break because of her pregnancy, so can she really be coach of the year? Her team won games without her. She is a really good coach, but even if you are a really good coach, other can be more deserving.
No offense intended but that's ridiculous reasoning. If you had any idea the effort she put in preparing the team and returning as quickly as she did you'd realize that. You would think that she had nothing to do with the team beating the, at the time, #1 ranked team in the nation, with your comment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 03:01:18 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 03:01:18 PM
I have not seen any other team play Superior, but my point was why was she pressing Superior when WW was up by 35. I do not have a problem with minutes being played by starters, but pressing a team that could not handle the pressure when the game is cleary out of reach was unnecessary in my opinion. So just to be clear, I had a problem with pressing when up by 35 in the second half, nothing else.
My point about her not coaching in every game was meant to show how good her team can be and they can win without her. They did beat a very highly ranked team in California without her. I am sure she put in a lot of time and work to get them ready. WW, in most people's opinions, had by far the most talented team in the league, yet did not win the conference title outright or the conference tournament title. I believe if she would have won the tournament, she would have won COY, but she didn't. She is a very good coach. I am not making any bones about that. I am just stating that is my opinion.
My point about her not coaching in every game was meant to show how good her team can be and they can win without her. They did beat a very highly ranked team in California without her. I am sure she put in a lot of time and work to get them ready. WW, in most people's opinions, had by far the most talented team in the league, yet did not win the conference title outright or the conference tournament title. I believe if she would have won the tournament, she would have won COY, but she didn't. She is a very good coach. I am not making any bones about that. I am just stating that is my opinion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 04:58:11 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 04:58:11 PM
Some interesting matchups tonight.
UWW vs Ill Wes
There should be quite a lot of scoring in this game as both like the tempo fast. IWU probably has more speed, but UWW has the height and size on the inside. IWU shoots a lot of 3s. Hopefully they are not hot this evening.
EC vs Simpson
This could be a tough game for UWEC. I watched Simpson take it right at Stout last year in the 1st round of the tournament. They seem to have many of the same players back this season. UWEC will have to shoot well and rebound well to win.
UWW vs Ill Wes
There should be quite a lot of scoring in this game as both like the tempo fast. IWU probably has more speed, but UWW has the height and size on the inside. IWU shoots a lot of 3s. Hopefully they are not hot this evening.
EC vs Simpson
This could be a tough game for UWEC. I watched Simpson take it right at Stout last year in the 1st round of the tournament. They seem to have many of the same players back this season. UWEC will have to shoot well and rebound well to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on March 08, 2008, 06:39:12 PM
Post by: BuckyC on March 08, 2008, 06:39:12 PM
UWEC beat St. Cloud and Luther this season. Simpson lost to St. Cloud and to Luther once.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 06:48:15 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: BuckyC on March 08, 2008, 06:39:12 PM
UWEC beat St. Cloud and Luther this season. Simpson lost to St. Cloud and to Luther once.
Yes, but EC played St. Cloud at home (one of their better games), while Simpson played them on the road. EC did win at Luther and Simpson lost there. I definitely think that EC can win, but they are playing against a good team on their home court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 06:55:20 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 03:01:18 PM
I have not seen any other team play Superior, but my point was why was she pressing Superior when WW was up by 35. I do not have a problem with minutes being played by starters, but pressing a team that could not handle the pressure when the game is cleary out of reach was unnecessary in my opinion. So just to be clear, I had a problem with pressing when up by 35 in the second half, nothing else.
Pressing is the style of play WW plays. Why can't the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th teamers play like they practice? They need to learn how to play WW style BB too.
The starters only averaged 6 minutes of play in the second half. Every member of the team played.
Besides the starters, 5 additional players had double digit minutes in the game - and most of those minutes were in the first half.
WW played their game. A team should never have to apologize for that. Calling off the dogs is taking the starters out, or even taking the second tier players out. But what else can a coach do? Play with 3 players???
I think the opposing team would take that as a bigger insult than losing by a large margin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:05:22 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:05:22 PM
Early on:
EC down 7-4
WW up 9-7
EC down 7-4
WW up 9-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:10:23 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:10:23 PM
EC down 15-6, Simpson hot from 3. I knew this would happen, Simpson was cold last night so I figured they would hit them tonight. EC has quite a few TOs also
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:10:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:10:50 PM
UWW up 14-13
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:15:45 PM
EC down 22-16, both teams hitting 3s now
WW tied at 16
WW tied at 16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:19:27 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:19:27 PM
EC women closing the gap, down 26-23. Both teams shooting well
WW up 22-17
WW up 22-17
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:29:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:29:08 PM
EC down 2, 30-28. Now both teams cold.
WW leads 33-22, on a nice run.
WW leads 33-22, on a nice run.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
EC women down by 4 at the half.
UWW women up 41-27, just before half
UWW women up 41-27, just before half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
UWW up 41-29 at the half
Another score of interest, Chicago 32 St. Norbs 16, at the half
Another score of interest, Chicago 32 St. Norbs 16, at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:57:42 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 08:57:42 PM
EC down 38-35. 16min. They just got their first points of the 2nd half, really cold from the field, but so is Simpson
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:01:20 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:01:20 PM
UWW up 20 now, 16min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
Simpson gets hot, up 12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:13:54 PM
Simpson on a huge run, leads by 18, 8min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:16:13 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:16:13 PM
Some good news: WW up 65-38, 11min
EC now down 22, game pretty much over.
EC now down 22, game pretty much over.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 08, 2008, 09:25:18 PM
Post by: BoBo on March 08, 2008, 09:25:18 PM
WW up 80-44 6 min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:25:25 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:25:25 PM
EC coming back, down 11, 3min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:30:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:30:03 PM
EC now down only 7. Simpson misses a shot but gets the off. board. EC fouls, just over 1min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:34:06 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:34:06 PM
EC down 5, and gets a steal. EC ball 30sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:35:22 PM
EC misses 3, in and out. EC fouls Simpson. They miss both.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
EC has 3 shots at the basket, but misses all of them. Ball to Simpson, 7sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
EC loses, 70-63
UWW up 85-63 with 1min left
UWW up 85-63 with 1min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 08, 2008, 09:51:26 PM
Post by: BoBo on March 08, 2008, 09:51:26 PM
WW wins 87-63.
2 players with 15 points, 3 with 14 to lead a very balanced effort.
2 players with 15 points, 3 with 14 to lead a very balanced effort.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
And now we're down to one...
Congrats to the UWW Lady Warhawks on their victory last light!!!
Good luck as you enter the Sweet 16 and I hope that you get to host next weekend!!!
BW - they aren't going to let you run the scoreboard/clock if they do host, are they???
Congrats to the UWW Lady Warhawks on their victory last light!!!
Good luck as you enter the Sweet 16 and I hope that you get to host next weekend!!!
BW - they aren't going to let you run the scoreboard/clock if they do host, are they???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 09, 2008, 12:51:46 PM
Post by: buf on March 09, 2008, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
Good luck as you enter the Sweet 16 and I hope that you get to host next weekend!!!
BW - they aren't going to let you run the scoreboard/clock if they do host, are they???
They are hosting!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: buf on March 09, 2008, 12:51:46 PM
They are hosting!!!
That's great!!! I thought they would, but you never know...
Now we need BW to rig the scoreboard to "insure" that WW makes it to the Final Four... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on March 09, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
Post by: Barber Greene on March 09, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
This is great news! Hopefully the WW students will come out and support the women like they did the men. Looking forward to some exciting games and good energy in Kachel.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 09, 2008, 06:48:42 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 09, 2008, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
UWEC was the preseason pick to win the WIAC.
UWEC was the lowest rated WIAC team in the DIII poll virtually all season long - which tells us what the rest of the country thought.
Yes Tonya went one game further in the WIAC Tourney, but they lost to Point on her home court just like Keri did and was the first WIAC coach that was the #1 seed to not win the WIAC Tourney.
Sorry the Blugolds didn't meet up to your standards this season, Champ... but, as you say, just to point out a few things:
UWEC was predicted to win the conference this year, and did, with a 14-2 record, better than the 13-3 record Stout posted last year, when the Blue Devils were projected to win the WIAC, and were ranked higher in the D3 polls coming into the season and throughout the season than the 'Golds were this season...
Granted, the Blue Devils had a better record last year, at 23-6, compared to the 'Golds 23-7 this year, but that's because Simpson took out the 'Golds this year in the second round of the NCAA tournament, compared to the Blue Devils, who were ranked 15th heading into NCAA -post-season play, who were knocked out in Round One...
Also, regarding minutes played - I was happy to see our bench players get some PT on Feb. 28, this year, but I'm sure you would have rather seen them get more mintues than they did that night... But we had to make sure we pulled off another "upset," like we did in Stout in December....
Which active WIAC coach has highest lifetime winning percentage???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 09, 2008, 07:01:09 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 09, 2008, 07:01:09 PM
Regarding last night's well-deserved win, a belated congrats to Simpson College fans who may be reading this; I had to take care of some housekeeping before posting my sentiments on that game... ;)
If you were a Blugold fan listening to the game last night, I hope you caught the post-game comments from Coach Englund... She didn't really talk much Xs and Os after what was a frustrating and disappointing conclusion to the season...
Rather, she gave heartfelt tributes to the four seniors on the team this year, who have helped bring the program to the top again... You could hear in her voice the pride in and love she has for them, not only as players, but more importantly, for them as people off the court as well... I hope they get a chance to hear those touching comments; thanks to Sully for making that happen...
Thanks to a terrific bunch - Kali Houselog, Rachel Mueggenborg, Amanda Zenner and Michelle Burns... and to the rest of the seniors behind the scenes who helped this team be successful this season as well...
If you were a Blugold fan listening to the game last night, I hope you caught the post-game comments from Coach Englund... She didn't really talk much Xs and Os after what was a frustrating and disappointing conclusion to the season...
Rather, she gave heartfelt tributes to the four seniors on the team this year, who have helped bring the program to the top again... You could hear in her voice the pride in and love she has for them, not only as players, but more importantly, for them as people off the court as well... I hope they get a chance to hear those touching comments; thanks to Sully for making that happen...
Thanks to a terrific bunch - Kali Houselog, Rachel Mueggenborg, Amanda Zenner and Michelle Burns... and to the rest of the seniors behind the scenes who helped this team be successful this season as well...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 10:05:21 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 09, 2008, 06:48:42 PM
Sorry the Blugolds didn't meet up to your standards this season, Champ... but, as you say, just to point out a few things:
UWEC was predicted to win the conference this year, and did, with a 14-2 record, better than the 13-3 record Stout posted last year, when the Blue Devils were projected to win the WIAC, and were ranked higher in the D3 polls coming into the season and throughout the season than the 'Golds were this season...
Granted, the Blue Devils had a better record last year, at 23-6, compared to the 'Golds 23-7 this year, but that's because Simpson took out the 'Golds this year in the second round of the NCAA tournament, compared to the Blue Devils, who were ranked 15th heading into NCAA -post-season play, who were knocked out in Round One...
Also, regarding minutes played - I was happy to see our bench players get some PT on Feb. 28, this year, but I'm sure you would have rather seen them get more mintues than they did that night... But we had to make sure we pulled off another "upset," like we did in Stout in December....
Which active WIAC coach has highest lifetime winning percentage???
bulk
You're taking my entire post out of context. I was comparing Coach Keri to Coach Tonya. Mark Thomas was never even mentioned so it baffles me why you are spinning this into a Mark Thomas vs. Tonya Englund issue.
But as you brought up the subject in an attempt to put Mark Thomas down, let me address the points YOU brought up:
1. Last year Stout was picked to finish first. They did. They also won the WIAC Tourney. This year UWEC was picked to finish first, they failed to win it outright, but TIED for first and then won home court on a coin flip. After winnig the coin flip, they then becuame the first #1 seed to fail to win the WIAC Tourney.
2. Your extra loss this year vs Stout's record last year is because you LOST at home in the WIAC tourney. Had you WON that game you would have had 1 more win and 1 less loss.
3. You won on Feb 28th. I posted as much earlier. I hope you enjoyed it. Things might be different next year.
4. Which coach took over a winning program? Lisa Stone had an .824 winning percentage (277 wins - 59 losses) when she left (which by the way is best in the history of the WIAC) and Tonya has managed to bring that DOWN to about .731 if my math is correct after this season. Do you realize that Tonya has managed to lose more games than Lisa, while her win total is OVER 100 games less than Lisa?
Mark Thomas took over a program where the previous coach had a .043 winning percentage (2 wins 44 losses). The coach before that had a 4 win - 36 loss record (.100 winning percentage). They didn't win a single game the year before Mark took over, yet he turned things around relatively quickly - winning 6 games his first year, 10 his second year and 15 his third year.
So brag up Tonya's winning percentage if it makes you feel better. Intelligent people can look at the circumstances and realize that the two coaches walked into totally different situations.
FWIW, Mark will most likely get his 400th win before Tonya sees her 200th. Mark could hit it next year (would take a great season) - the earliest Tonya can hit 200 would be the season after next.
If you want to continue this topic - let's do it via personal message - I don't think the rest of the posters need to see this.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2008, 11:55:36 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2008, 11:55:36 PM
Quote from: Barber Greene on March 09, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
This is great news! Hopefully the WW students will come out and support the women like they did the men. Looking forward to some exciting games and good energy in Kachel.
The Whitewater men won the WIAC regular season title AND the WIAC Tourney title and they couldn't even come close to selling out the regional...just like two years ago when they hosted a 1st and 2nd round regional. A complete joke, IMO. I could see if this was Oshkosh at the Kolf that seats 5,000...but Kachel Gymnasium? Come on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Storm-what? on March 10, 2008, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: Storm-what? on March 10, 2008, 09:36:49 AM
At least the 3rd straight year Simpson meets a UW school in the postseason. I think it was Stout last year? Too bad the Simpson Storm have to travel to Whitewater. But should be a good matchup none the less!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 09, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
BW - they aren't going to let you run the scoreboard/clock if they do host, are they???
Yes, I'll be on the clock. Looking forward to some good games. Some excellent teams coming in.
Simpson must be pretty decent to have beaten Eau Claire. I'm sure we'll have our work cut out for us.
Ok, OS, Stevens Point draws better than WW but I don't think they put a bid in for this week's tournament. You do have the coach of year though. ;D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Storm-what? on March 10, 2008, 01:09:06 PM
Post by: Storm-what? on March 10, 2008, 01:09:06 PM
With about 5 minutes left Simpson was up 21 points. UW-EC made a nice late run to close the gap, but really the game was a little more one-sided than the score would suggest, I believe. The really tough thing about Simpson is they don't have that really stand out star. I mean, Whiton, a bit, but if you shut her down, they have about 10 girls that play a LOT of minutes and contribute each in their own way. It's hard to defend against. You'll see 4-5 players score 10+ points night after night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 10, 2008, 05:45:35 PM
Post by: billys on March 10, 2008, 05:45:35 PM
bulk- be careful getting into any type of discussion about MT on here ... some have him near deity status ... and there are a LOT of them to deal with ;)
Thank you to WW for confirming my thought that you had the team best set for a National run. I really think they can win it all now; I was nervous seeing them hit the road, but now, no more road games! You can watch all the tape you want but you can't prepare for that style ... you better have a lot of darn good players and hope they miss some 3's to beat them. The familiarity in the league makes it harder for them in my opinion.
I wish I could get over this weekend but, alas, the girls state tournament falls on the same weekend.
Thank you to WW for confirming my thought that you had the team best set for a National run. I really think they can win it all now; I was nervous seeing them hit the road, but now, no more road games! You can watch all the tape you want but you can't prepare for that style ... you better have a lot of darn good players and hope they miss some 3's to beat them. The familiarity in the league makes it harder for them in my opinion.
I wish I could get over this weekend but, alas, the girls state tournament falls on the same weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2008, 06:04:40 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2008, 06:04:40 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2008, 09:40:26 AM
Ok, OS, Stevens Point draws better than WW but I don't think they put a bid in for this week's tournament. You do have the coach of year though. ;D ;)
BW,
I was talking men. Point wouldn't sell out Quandt if the women played in there. The obvious reason Point didn't put in a bid for this week's tourney is because THEY GOT KNOCKED OUT IN THE FIRST ROUND!...but thanks for reminding me! lol...good luck to the lady Warhawks. I hope ONE WIAC team can do some good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2008, 08:26:10 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 10, 2008, 08:26:10 PM
Champ -
"UWEC was the preseason pick to win the WIAC.
UWEC was the lowest rated WIAC team in the DIII poll virtually all season long - which tells us what the rest of the country thought.
Yes Tonya went one game further in the WIAC Tourney, but they lost to Point on her home court just like Keri did and was the first WIAC coach that was the #1 seed to not win the WIAC Tourney."
You clearly intended to take a dig at the Blugolds' coach with these comments, and about the minutes she plays her players, suggesting she wasn't worthy of a COY Award this year. You always take your subtle jabs in a public forum first, and then expect me to PM you with my responses back... Not going to happen... And you apparently didn't think the Blugolds were very good this year, either, in your condescending remarks about this year's team and the rankings it attained.
So, for comparison's sake, I merely mentioned your beloved Blue Devils team of last year, which had the COY, but were 13-3, and 23-6 overall, compared to a UWEC record of 14-2 (last time I checked, when two teams tie for a conference championship, they are still conference champs... and 23-7 overall), in a tougher conference this year that had three teams with 23 or more wins...
Stout had one less loss on the season last year, because, despite being ranked higher last year than the 'Golds were this year, they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Our extra loss was because we played, and lost, an extra game; UWEC's seventh loss of the season was not in the WIAC tournament, as you suggest (that was #6) - it was in the second round of the NCAA tournament...
Yep. We won on Feb. 28; you whined about the officiating, if I recall correctly... ;) and won the other game at Zorn against Stout, too. And we "upset" the Blue Devils in your barn, too... I agree, things will probably be different next year. It's hard to beat the same team three times in one season....
And yep. TE came into a winning program; it's harder to stay on top than it is to get there.
"UWEC was the preseason pick to win the WIAC.
UWEC was the lowest rated WIAC team in the DIII poll virtually all season long - which tells us what the rest of the country thought.
Yes Tonya went one game further in the WIAC Tourney, but they lost to Point on her home court just like Keri did and was the first WIAC coach that was the #1 seed to not win the WIAC Tourney."
You clearly intended to take a dig at the Blugolds' coach with these comments, and about the minutes she plays her players, suggesting she wasn't worthy of a COY Award this year. You always take your subtle jabs in a public forum first, and then expect me to PM you with my responses back... Not going to happen... And you apparently didn't think the Blugolds were very good this year, either, in your condescending remarks about this year's team and the rankings it attained.
So, for comparison's sake, I merely mentioned your beloved Blue Devils team of last year, which had the COY, but were 13-3, and 23-6 overall, compared to a UWEC record of 14-2 (last time I checked, when two teams tie for a conference championship, they are still conference champs... and 23-7 overall), in a tougher conference this year that had three teams with 23 or more wins...
Stout had one less loss on the season last year, because, despite being ranked higher last year than the 'Golds were this year, they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Our extra loss was because we played, and lost, an extra game; UWEC's seventh loss of the season was not in the WIAC tournament, as you suggest (that was #6) - it was in the second round of the NCAA tournament...
Yep. We won on Feb. 28; you whined about the officiating, if I recall correctly... ;) and won the other game at Zorn against Stout, too. And we "upset" the Blue Devils in your barn, too... I agree, things will probably be different next year. It's hard to beat the same team three times in one season....
And yep. TE came into a winning program; it's harder to stay on top than it is to get there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 10, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
Post by: buf on March 10, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
Just wanted to say congrats to the UWEC women's team. I'm sure being able to get back into the tourney was a great feeling. To the seniors...it was a pleasure watching you all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2008, 10:37:12 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2008, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 08, 2008, 06:55:20 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2008, 03:01:18 PM
I have not seen any other team play Superior, but my point was why was she pressing Superior when WW was up by 35. I do not have a problem with minutes being played by starters, but pressing a team that could not handle the pressure when the game is cleary out of reach was unnecessary in my opinion. So just to be clear, I had a problem with pressing when up by 35 in the second half, nothing else.
Pressing is the style of play WW plays. Why can't the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th teamers play like they practice? They need to learn how to play WW style BB too.
The starters only averaged 6 minutes of play in the second half. Every member of the team played.
Besides the starters, 5 additional players had double digit minutes in the game - and most of those minutes were in the first half.
WW played their game. A team should never have to apologize for that. Calling off the dogs is taking the starters out, or even taking the second tier players out. But what else can a coach do? Play with 3 players???
I think the opposing team would take that as a bigger insult than losing by a large margin.
Champ, I never said that playing with 3 players is an option. That would be rediculous and moronic. I just thought that she would have had some compassion and call off the dogs in terms of pressing. It is hard for me to believe that she does not have a half-court defense in her playbook. You see in collegiate games all the time that coaches take off the press during blowouts. Thomas, who is also known for pressing, would have called off the press, showing his class. After looking at this game on tv, I find it hard to believe that she doesn't do this in every game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 10, 2008, 08:26:10 PM
And yep. TE came into a winning program; it's harder to stay on top than it is to get there.
Well put bulk. This is why I have a ton of respect for SP, Stout, and EC in this league. Those are the programs usually winning 20 games every season and flirting with the NCAA tournament.
One last point about COY. Egner is the only coach in the league to have beaten seven of the eight other schools in the league twice, while splitting with Stout. Against the two top teams in the WIAC, EC and WW, her team went 4-2, while WWs and ECs coaches went 2-3 against each other.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 09:17:43 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 10, 2008, 08:26:10 PM
Stout had one less loss on the season last year, because, despite being ranked higher last year than the 'Golds were this year, they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Our extra loss was because we played, and lost, an extra game; UWEC's seventh loss of the season was not in the WIAC tournament, as you suggest (that was #6) - it was in the second round of the NCAA tournament...
bulk
I didn't want to do this, but if you won't take it offline...
Let me clarify this point for you one more time:
UWEC had 6 losses at the end of the WIAC Tourney this year.
Stout had 5 losses at the end of the WIAC Tourney last year.
Unless EC had gone on to win the National Championship, they were guaranteed to lose more games than Stout did last season.
What is so hard to understand about that?
QuoteAnd yep. TE came into a winning program; it's harder to stay on top than it is to get there.
Hmm... Let's see how this plays out... Has TE stayed on top?
TE took over from Lisa Stone (.824 winning percentage), who's average finish in the WIAC was 2nd and included 6 WIAC Championships in her 10 years.
Tonya's average finish - after losing all the Lisa Stone recruited players, is 4th in the WIAC, 3rd in her entire WIAC career.
Her conference record for the seasons she has coached, in order: 1st, 4th, 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 3rd and now this past season tied for 1st - #1 seed determined by coin flip. Winning percentage for TE's career is .728 - down from .824 by Stone.
Same period of time, Mark Thomas' record:
4th, 1st, 4th, 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, 4th which equals an average finish of 2.5. And these were all done with MT recruited players.
Did you notice how Mark hasn't dipped below a 4th place finish, and for the record, always had a winning record in the WIAC?
Do you want to know what MT's winning percentage is over the same period of time? That would be a .729 winning percentage.
Is the best winning percentage in head to head competition a fair standard of measurement by your standards?
How about the number of WIAC Championships won over the same period?
How about the number of WIAC Tournament Championships over the same time period?
TE started her career with some of the best players in the WIAC. Has she maintained the same level of success as her predecessor? No.
Am I saying she's a terrible coach? No. Am I picking on your cherrypicking a single stat that gives a misleading image? You're darn right I am.
MT took ove a program that was the dregs of the WIAC. No prior UW Stout coach ever had a winning record.
Recruiting for MT back in the day was like recruiting for UW Superior is now. Taht's not a knock against UW Superior, it's a simple statement of fact. It's pretty tough to get the most talented players to come to your school when you are a perenial loser, unless the girl REALLY wanted a major that only you had.
MT has elevated the standard of play at UW Stout. Can you say the same about TE in EC?
Now once again, if you want to continue this debate - let's do it offline.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2008, 09:29:32 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2008, 09:29:32 AM
No, don't do that, please continue. :) ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 11, 2008, 09:30:28 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 11, 2008, 09:30:28 AM
Yeah, I like this stuff.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
Post by: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
I'm on board. Keep going; this is the best conversation we've had on here in a long time.
Correction though
"4th, 1st, 4th, 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, 4th which equals an average finish of 2.5. And these were all done with MT recruited players."
Kelsey Duoss?
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line. It's not; but it's fact.
You're both making some good points along the way.
Correction though
"4th, 1st, 4th, 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, 4th which equals an average finish of 2.5. And these were all done with MT recruited players."
Kelsey Duoss?
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line. It's not; but it's fact.
You're both making some good points along the way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 11, 2008, 10:28:32 AM
Post by: BDB on March 11, 2008, 10:28:32 AM
Quote from: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line.
Wow billys, you are really hanging on to this one. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:35:14 AM
Post by: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on March 11, 2008, 10:28:32 AM;)Quote from: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line.
Wow billys, you are really hanging on to this one. ;)
Just trying to give a little balance to the board. Since I don't have a team/coach to fight for ... I've gotta go with what I know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 11, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Post by: BDB on March 11, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:35:14 AMQuote from: BlueDevil Bob on March 11, 2008, 10:28:32 AM;)Quote from: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line.
Wow billys, you are really hanging on to this one. ;)
Just trying to give a little balance to the board. Since I don't have a team/coach to fight for ... I've gotta go with what I know.
Good stuff. I like your input.
One little story about Coach T. Last August my family and I were on vacation. The night before we got home, a major storm happened in the area and our home was 2/3rds destroyed by blown down monster trees.
I learned about it on the way home. I called my friend Mark to tell him about it.
The next day Mark and a dozen football players came over to help us move the contents of the house into a storage unit. It was a major help.
When you have a friend like Mark, it's pretty easy to step up and speak positively about him.
On a side note, my family bought a new house and is anyone looking for a recently remodeled lake home near Menomonie? ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 11, 2008, 12:15:50 PM
Post by: voice on March 11, 2008, 12:15:50 PM
Great talk on the COY issue. My take is that Kerry Corollo has taken a program in shabbles to the top of the WIAC in rapid fashion. You don't need a badge or trophy to signify your worth. Results on the court speak much more loudly.
While you guys continue to hash over this year's COY choice, Kerry and her staff are preparing the Warhawks for Friday night's Sweet 16 game against Simpson. I guess at this point you could call Carollo the WIAC Postseason Coach of the Year.
While you guys continue to hash over this year's COY choice, Kerry and her staff are preparing the Warhawks for Friday night's Sweet 16 game against Simpson. I guess at this point you could call Carollo the WIAC Postseason Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 11, 2008, 12:52:59 PM
Post by: billys on March 11, 2008, 12:52:59 PM
Agreed.
I won't budge on the fact I believe she definitely should have gotten it last year and maybe should have gotten it this year but didn't because the old guard doesn't particularly care for her.
I won't budge on the fact I believe she definitely should have gotten it last year and maybe should have gotten it this year but didn't because the old guard doesn't particularly care for her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 08:11:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 08:11:32 PM
Quote from: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
Correction though
And these were all done with MT recruited players."
Kelsey Duoss?
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line. It's not; but it's fact.
billys
I can't fault you for not knowing the REAL FACTS, but Kelsey Duoss was heavily recruited by Mark Thomas.
However she was offered and accepted a full ride scholarship to a DI school. After 1 year there, she decided that she really wanted to go to Stout - which is one of the best schools in the country for her major.
Mark's recruiting while she was in HS was a key part of that decision to transfer to Stout. One thing about Coach T - he rarely burns any bridges with recruits.
While still living in Menomonie, I have traveled with Mark while he's been recruiting. Now that I live SW of Rochester, I've met Mark on recruiting trips - including 3 or 4 times to see Julia Hirssig from Rochester. I like to take credit for recruiting Julia - but I think Coach T impressed her a little more than I did... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 08:15:30 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 08:15:30 PM
billys
Just remembered, and thought I'd better post this, just in case you suddenly realize that Lindsey Gerber was a transfer from UWW...
Lindsey was also recruited by Mark while in HS. Her sister has now joined her at UW Stout.
Just wanted to "give you all the facts"... ;D
Just remembered, and thought I'd better post this, just in case you suddenly realize that Lindsey Gerber was a transfer from UWW...
Lindsey was also recruited by Mark while in HS. Her sister has now joined her at UW Stout.
Just wanted to "give you all the facts"... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:37:34 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:37:34 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 11, 2008, 08:11:32 PMQuote from: billys on March 11, 2008, 10:05:54 AM
Correction though
And these were all done with MT recruited players."
Kelsey Duoss?
Cue the "that's disrespect to the other Devils" line. It's not; but it's fact.
billys
I can't fault you for not knowing the REAL FACTS, but Kelsey Duoss was heavily recruited by Mark Thomas.
However she was offered and accepted a full ride scholarship to a DI school. After 1 year there, she decided that she really wanted to go to Stout - which is one of the best schools in the country for her major.
Mark's recruiting while she was in HS was a key part of that decision to transfer to Stout. One thing about Coach T - he rarely burns any bridges with recruits.
This actually happens with many kids that transfer from D-I to D-III -- they end up with schools that went after them originally.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 12, 2008, 10:05:52 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 12, 2008, 10:05:52 AM
We recruited Kelsey Hendrickson heavily out of high school but she went the scholarship route initially, then walked on at the UW and when neither panned out she ended up at UW-W.
WIAC men's Player of the Year, Matt Goodwin, is another example. We were all over him in HS but he went the JC to D1 route initially.
You never know what's going to happen so you just keep working kids and planting seeds.
WIAC men's Player of the Year, Matt Goodwin, is another example. We were all over him in HS but he went the JC to D1 route initially.
You never know what's going to happen so you just keep working kids and planting seeds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 12, 2008, 10:16:10 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 12, 2008, 10:16:10 AM
Katie Webber at UWSP was a very similar situation with D-II Michigan Tech.
The REALLY frustrating thing is when a team recruits a kid out of high school, loses them to a scholarship program, gets a release the next spring that says they want to transfer, and then lose them to another school again.
It's bad enough losing a recruit once, but to lose them twice really hurts.
The REALLY frustrating thing is when a team recruits a kid out of high school, loses them to a scholarship program, gets a release the next spring that says they want to transfer, and then lose them to another school again.
It's bad enough losing a recruit once, but to lose them twice really hurts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 12, 2008, 10:25:04 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 12, 2008, 10:25:04 AM
Pat, BW, Bill
Thanks for the confirmation that good initial recruiting can lead to good/great players transferring to your school!!! ;D
Thanks for the confirmation that good initial recruiting can lead to good/great players transferring to your school!!! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 12, 2008, 03:14:28 PM
Post by: billys on March 12, 2008, 03:14:28 PM
I know how college recruiting works. I've recruited collegiately for just under 10 years; I realize she was recruited by Mark ... heck every transfer back and their sister were at some point likely recruited by half of the WIAC schools.
And, yeah she came back for her major; as she should. You were arguing their place over Eau Claire during the timespan; my point (to balance the argument) was that the 3-year reign directly coincided with her arrival. A kid that based on talent definitely didn't belong in the WIAC ... but did for other reasons. I believe he's good with not burning bridges; but there's definitely some good fortune involved in this instance.
If we really got into it and broke down recruiting, bulk should probably talk about the incredible advantage Stout has with their marriage with the Viking Club and bringing an unlimited number of prospective student-athletes right to their campus; not even mentioning the other ties. Then you should probably argue Eau Claire's beautiful campus and variety of majors ... and as you did rich history.
Overall there's so many factors in all of these; it's stupid to argue about who the better coach is. Different situations, different challenges, and on and on. I guess we just need more reps from other schools, cause it seems like all we ever hear about is the greatness of one.
And, yeah she came back for her major; as she should. You were arguing their place over Eau Claire during the timespan; my point (to balance the argument) was that the 3-year reign directly coincided with her arrival. A kid that based on talent definitely didn't belong in the WIAC ... but did for other reasons. I believe he's good with not burning bridges; but there's definitely some good fortune involved in this instance.
If we really got into it and broke down recruiting, bulk should probably talk about the incredible advantage Stout has with their marriage with the Viking Club and bringing an unlimited number of prospective student-athletes right to their campus; not even mentioning the other ties. Then you should probably argue Eau Claire's beautiful campus and variety of majors ... and as you did rich history.
Overall there's so many factors in all of these; it's stupid to argue about who the better coach is. Different situations, different challenges, and on and on. I guess we just need more reps from other schools, cause it seems like all we ever hear about is the greatness of one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 12, 2008, 04:50:53 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 12, 2008, 04:50:53 PM
Congrats to Haley Houghton and Michelle Burns on being named to the WBCA Division Three All-Region 7 teams. Two great players who received a great honor!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 13, 2008, 08:39:29 AM
Post by: BDB on March 13, 2008, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: billys on March 12, 2008, 03:14:28 PMI guess we just need more reps from other schools, cause it seems like all we ever hear about is the greatness of one.
One? Is that one Whitewater, Eau Claire or Stevens Point? ??? ;D
Personally, I really liked the squad in LAX this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 13, 2008, 09:42:44 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 13, 2008, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: billys on March 12, 2008, 03:14:28 PM
I know how college recruiting works. I've recruited collegiately for just under 10 years; I realize she was recruited by Mark ... heck every transfer back and their sister were at some point likely recruited by half of the WIAC schools.
And, yeah she came back for her major; as she should. You were arguing their place over Eau Claire during the timespan; my point (to balance the argument) was that the 3-year reign directly coincided with her arrival. A kid that based on talent definitely didn't belong in the WIAC ... but did for other reasons. I believe he's good with not burning bridges; but there's definitely some good fortune involved in this instance.
Maybe everyone "recruited" Kelsey, but the fact remains that she came back to Stout. Which basically means that she came to the realization that she should have gone there in the first place. Give credit to the young lady for admitting her mistake.
Yes Kelsey was a great talent, but based on your "bolded" comment above, many WIAC players from the past evidently didn't belong in the WIAC. Consider some from recent WIAC history (2000 to date) - Michelle Burns, Vanessa Schley, Kristi Channing and Jayme Anderson from UWEC, Kay Mikolajczak from UWO, Kari Groshek and Amanda Nechuta from Point - and realize that these teams also did quite well during these lady's time there.
FWIW - Good fortune is often the result of alot of hard work.
QuoteI guess we just need more reps from other schools, cause it seems like all we ever hear about is the greatness of one.
LOL... This whole debate started because bulk19 took offense to my saying the Coach Keri from WW was more deserving of COY...
I think you're referring to Mark Thomas in the post above. Yes Mark is recognized by many as being a very good coach in the WIAC. That's what happens when you ARE the winningest coach in conference history. Part of that record is longevity, but a winning percentage that high over a 20+ year coaching career is an EARNED record.
But I think I've done my part in "repping" for other schools this year. I think my comments on Lois' LaCrosse squad and Keri's WW squad are well documented. Feel free to reread my comments on both teams...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 13, 2008, 10:46:30 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 13, 2008, 10:46:30 PM
Champ -
I never stated who I thought should have been the COY of the year this year; you assumed that, because I stuck up for Coach Englund after the manner in which you so easily and quickly ready to diss her, that I thought she should have won it this year. Not the case. Never said Coach Englund should have won it this year, and I don't think you said I said she should have, either... Just pointing out her accomplishments this year bettered those of last year's COY...
I would have voted for Carollo this year, but you read way to much into what I didn't say. I am at a loss as to why Coach Egner won it (and, if anything, would have a bias toward her over Coach Carollo since I attended UWSP as well).
As far as Coach Thomas's accomplishments, yes, they are to be applauded. He's rightfully earned the respect... And yes, he does have the most career Ws in the conference, at 372-190 over 21 seasons, good for a 66.2%... But the UWEC coaches both trump him in winning percentage over the 20 seasons they have been at the helm (Lisa Stone, 12 seasons, 277-59, for 82.4%, and Tonja Englund, at 166-61, good for 71.3%...)
Combined, the two Blugold coaches are 443-120 over those 20 seasons, which is a 78.7 winning percentage, once again trumping that of Stout's... Toss in the interim year of Lisa Herb, at 17-10, and the numbers still fall the 'Golds way...
Although you don't want me to share my rebuttals online with you so the others can't see the facts, and would rather I email them to you privately for purposes of continuing this debate, I'll just leave you with a few more facts, and end my comments with these (without bringing in the Pointers, who have two national championship banners hanging in the Berg gym):
Number of conference titles over the last 21 seasons? UWEC 9, Stout 5... National tournament appearances? UWEC 14, Stout 9...
And last, but not least, with all due respect, Coach Thomas might get to 400 wins sooner than Coach Englund does 200, but he'll have to coach at least three more years to match the Blugolds' three Final Four appearances over the last 21 years...
I never stated who I thought should have been the COY of the year this year; you assumed that, because I stuck up for Coach Englund after the manner in which you so easily and quickly ready to diss her, that I thought she should have won it this year. Not the case. Never said Coach Englund should have won it this year, and I don't think you said I said she should have, either... Just pointing out her accomplishments this year bettered those of last year's COY...
I would have voted for Carollo this year, but you read way to much into what I didn't say. I am at a loss as to why Coach Egner won it (and, if anything, would have a bias toward her over Coach Carollo since I attended UWSP as well).
As far as Coach Thomas's accomplishments, yes, they are to be applauded. He's rightfully earned the respect... And yes, he does have the most career Ws in the conference, at 372-190 over 21 seasons, good for a 66.2%... But the UWEC coaches both trump him in winning percentage over the 20 seasons they have been at the helm (Lisa Stone, 12 seasons, 277-59, for 82.4%, and Tonja Englund, at 166-61, good for 71.3%...)
Combined, the two Blugold coaches are 443-120 over those 20 seasons, which is a 78.7 winning percentage, once again trumping that of Stout's... Toss in the interim year of Lisa Herb, at 17-10, and the numbers still fall the 'Golds way...
Although you don't want me to share my rebuttals online with you so the others can't see the facts, and would rather I email them to you privately for purposes of continuing this debate, I'll just leave you with a few more facts, and end my comments with these (without bringing in the Pointers, who have two national championship banners hanging in the Berg gym):
Number of conference titles over the last 21 seasons? UWEC 9, Stout 5... National tournament appearances? UWEC 14, Stout 9...
And last, but not least, with all due respect, Coach Thomas might get to 400 wins sooner than Coach Englund does 200, but he'll have to coach at least three more years to match the Blugolds' three Final Four appearances over the last 21 years...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 08:30:31 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 08:30:31 AM
bulk
Seeing as how we've gained support from the other posters to continue this debate on the forum, I have no problem discussing it here. Last year when you went on one of your tirades, there were some comments to take it offline. I was merely trying to follow the wishes of the group here.
Once again, I was comparing Carollo to Englund THIS year. I was making a case FOR Carollo. If you agreed with me, than why did YOU decide to change the discussion to MT and LAST year? Probably because the points I was making were fair and accurate - and the truth hurt.
I've already given Lisa Stone credit for her absolutely phenomonal run as head coach of the Blugolds. Who could ever question what she did? Not me.
But how limp wristed can you be by trying to use Lisa Stone in a vain attempt to make Tonya Englund look better???
Once again, I'd like to ask - and have you to respond to, Tonya's record with players SHE recruited vs. Mark Thomas' record with players he recruited over the exact same period of time.
I can only surmise that you've too embarrassed to discuss this period of time because the facts are that Stout has won 4 WIAC Championships, 4 WIAC Tournament Championships. 4 NCAA Tournament appearances and 2 Sweet 16 appearances over that time period. Please post what Tonya has done with only players SHE recruited over the same period of time.
You used Lisa Stone's record to try and bolster up what Tonya has done. It's great that EC had Lisa - and she did a wonderful job. But the EC program was a MUCH stronger program when Lisa took over than Stout was when Mark took over.
As you so kindly pointed out, Lisa Herb led EC to a 17 - 10 record before Lisa Stone's career at UWEC began.
Mark took over from a team that hadn't won a single game the year before - and hadn't won a conference game for 3 whole seasons. It would be 4 seasons, but in the 83 - 84 season they managed to beat UWEC for their only win of that season. Stout only had ONE winning season in the history of the program before Mark turned it around. Stout WAS the doormat of the conference.
You mentioned those 14 NCAA Tournament appearances - once again in a weak attempt to make Tonya look better. Please tell us all how many of those were accomplished by Lisa Stone. How many consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances was EC in before Tonya took over? How many NCAA Tournament appearances has Tonya had without Lisa Stone recruited players?
I know the answers, I just want to see if you do... ::)
If you would take the time to read and comprehend the history of both teams, you might start to understand what is going on. Mark BUILT the Stout program from nothing. Tonya hasn't even been able to maintain EC's winning tradition that was handed over to her.
So, now that I know we have the board's blessing, feel free to respond to your hearts content.
I really enjoy a good debate... ;D
Seeing as how we've gained support from the other posters to continue this debate on the forum, I have no problem discussing it here. Last year when you went on one of your tirades, there were some comments to take it offline. I was merely trying to follow the wishes of the group here.
Once again, I was comparing Carollo to Englund THIS year. I was making a case FOR Carollo. If you agreed with me, than why did YOU decide to change the discussion to MT and LAST year? Probably because the points I was making were fair and accurate - and the truth hurt.
I've already given Lisa Stone credit for her absolutely phenomonal run as head coach of the Blugolds. Who could ever question what she did? Not me.
But how limp wristed can you be by trying to use Lisa Stone in a vain attempt to make Tonya Englund look better???
Once again, I'd like to ask - and have you to respond to, Tonya's record with players SHE recruited vs. Mark Thomas' record with players he recruited over the exact same period of time.
I can only surmise that you've too embarrassed to discuss this period of time because the facts are that Stout has won 4 WIAC Championships, 4 WIAC Tournament Championships. 4 NCAA Tournament appearances and 2 Sweet 16 appearances over that time period. Please post what Tonya has done with only players SHE recruited over the same period of time.
You used Lisa Stone's record to try and bolster up what Tonya has done. It's great that EC had Lisa - and she did a wonderful job. But the EC program was a MUCH stronger program when Lisa took over than Stout was when Mark took over.
As you so kindly pointed out, Lisa Herb led EC to a 17 - 10 record before Lisa Stone's career at UWEC began.
Mark took over from a team that hadn't won a single game the year before - and hadn't won a conference game for 3 whole seasons. It would be 4 seasons, but in the 83 - 84 season they managed to beat UWEC for their only win of that season. Stout only had ONE winning season in the history of the program before Mark turned it around. Stout WAS the doormat of the conference.
You mentioned those 14 NCAA Tournament appearances - once again in a weak attempt to make Tonya look better. Please tell us all how many of those were accomplished by Lisa Stone. How many consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances was EC in before Tonya took over? How many NCAA Tournament appearances has Tonya had without Lisa Stone recruited players?
I know the answers, I just want to see if you do... ::)
If you would take the time to read and comprehend the history of both teams, you might start to understand what is going on. Mark BUILT the Stout program from nothing. Tonya hasn't even been able to maintain EC's winning tradition that was handed over to her.
So, now that I know we have the board's blessing, feel free to respond to your hearts content.
I really enjoy a good debate... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 09:03:15 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 09:03:15 AM
BW
Your squad has the late game tonight.... Can you stay awake long enough to keep score? Someone of your advanced age might have a problem staying up past 9:00 PM.... ;D
Good luck tonight, and may all of WW's 3 pointers go straight through the hoop!!! ;)
Your squad has the late game tonight.... Can you stay awake long enough to keep score? Someone of your advanced age might have a problem staying up past 9:00 PM.... ;D
Good luck tonight, and may all of WW's 3 pointers go straight through the hoop!!! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 08:53:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 08:53:24 PM
The UWW vs. Simpson winner will take on Depauw, a 68-63 winner over Amherst.
UWW up next. Good luck to the Warhawks!
UWW up next. Good luck to the Warhawks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 14, 2008, 09:27:41 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 14, 2008, 09:27:41 PM
WW broadcast not coming in very good, so listening to the s
Simpson guy. Worst announcer I've ever heard.
Simpson guy. Worst announcer I've ever heard.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 09:36:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 09:36:24 PM
WW up early, 21-9.
janesville-
If you want, you can go to d3hoops frontpage and click on broadcasts. Find the UWW game and click on the link. The broadcaster is pretty good.
janesville-
If you want, you can go to d3hoops frontpage and click on broadcasts. Find the UWW game and click on the link. The broadcaster is pretty good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 14, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 14, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
That's the same link I'm using.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 09:45:26 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 09:45:26 PM
Simpson on a run, UWW up 28-26
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:00:47 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:00:47 PM
UWW up 36-32 at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:29:37 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:29:37 PM
UWW up 49-40, 14min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:39:23 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:39:23 PM
60-51, UWW up, 10min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:41:49 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:41:49 PM
UWW pulling away, 66-51, 9min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 10:49:00 PM
buf...
You're working too hard. I'll help you out...
WW 72 - 55 with 6:40 to play
You're working too hard. I'll help you out...
WW 72 - 55 with 6:40 to play
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:53:47 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 10:53:47 PM
This one is about over, UWW up 81-60, 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
85 - 62 with less than 2:49 to play
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 11:03:53 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 11:03:53 PM
1:39 to go, 93 - 68
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 11:06:46 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 14, 2008, 11:06:46 PM
Final score 96 - 69
Congrats UWW!!!
Good luck tomorrow night!!!
Congrats UWW!!!
Good luck tomorrow night!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
Post by: buf on March 14, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
6 UWW players in double figures (scoring). Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 15, 2008, 11:22:30 AM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 15, 2008, 11:22:30 AM
What was impressive was the offensive output in the second half by the lady warhawks... 60 plus points in the second half... WOW...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 03:05:07 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 03:05:07 PM
Tiffany Morton almost had a triple-double last night: 11pts, 11rebs and 9 missed FT shots (1-10) ;D
Congrats to UWW on their win. Should be an interesting (and closer) game tonight.
Congrats to UWW on their win. Should be an interesting (and closer) game tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on March 15, 2008, 07:55:26 PM
Post by: UWRF on March 15, 2008, 07:55:26 PM
Is it just me or is the WW online radio feed terrible? A ton of static.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 08:21:41 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 08:21:41 PM
Quote from: UWRF on March 15, 2008, 07:55:26 PM
Is it just me or is the WW online radio feed terrible? A ton of static.
Try the d3hoops broadcast.
UWW 10-12 from the field but losing 26-24. They are committing a lot of fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 08:40:05 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 08:40:05 PM
UWW down 41-38 with 2min left 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 08:44:42 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 08:44:42 PM
UWW up 46-44 at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
UWW down 53-52, 16min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
UWW up 59-55, 12min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:19:10 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:19:10 PM
2-3s by Depauw, tied at 61
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:26:40 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:26:40 PM
Sontag with a 3, UWW up 71-67, 6min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:30:15 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:30:15 PM
Sontag with another 3, UWW up 76-70, 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 15, 2008, 09:31:41 PM
The shooting percentages in this game are unreal:
UWW--> FG:62.8% 3FG:57.1% FT:58.3%
DEP --> FG:51.0% 3FG:83.3% FT:84.6%
Note: This was with about 5 min. to go.
UWW--> FG:62.8% 3FG:57.1% FT:58.3%
DEP --> FG:51.0% 3FG:83.3% FT:84.6%
Note: This was with about 5 min. to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:32:14 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:32:14 PM
UWW up only 1, 76-75. Depauw ball 4min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:33:02 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:33:02 PM
Depauw up 1, 3min.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:35:00 PM
UWW with 2fts, up 1, 3min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:35:25 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:35:25 PM
Depauw hits a 3, UWW down 2, 2:30
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:37:14 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:37:14 PM
Depauw misses a 3, Beuchner hits a shot, tied up. 1:10, UWW ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
UWW misses but gets offensive rebound and calls timeout before falling out of bounds. Refs discuss it and do give UWW the timeout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:41:16 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:41:16 PM
UWW hits a FT, Depauw turns it over, UWW up by 1 and at the FT line, 17sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:43:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:43:38 PM
Thill makes the 1st and hits the 2nd, UWW up by 3. Depauw misses a 3, jump ball, UWW has the arrow, 2sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
UWW wins 83-80.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:48:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:48:08 PM
More good news for UWW: Howard Payne beat Hope. Now UWW (and the other two Final Four participants) don't have to worry about dealing with Hope on its home court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on March 15, 2008, 09:49:36 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on March 15, 2008, 09:49:36 PM
Nice win for whitewater good luck FRi
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 16, 2008, 02:39:08 AM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 16, 2008, 02:39:08 AM
Both teams displayed a lot of heart out there tonight. Props to UW-W
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2008, 08:24:14 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2008, 08:24:14 AM
The Team
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The Coach
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Congratulations and best of luck in Holland, Michigan!!!
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The Coach
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3hoops.com%2Fimages%2F2008%2Fuwwcarollonet2lr.jpg&hash=44136328a41308a6fca3d49bff5b2df729746382)
Congratulations and best of luck in Holland, Michigan!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 16, 2008, 12:42:22 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 16, 2008, 12:42:22 PM
Because there's no place else to put it, I'll congratulate the UW-Superior women's hockey team on their win at and over Gustavus Adophus yesterday, which puts them on the bracket path to the NCAA DIII Women's Frozen Four.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
Was the attendance in the paper correct for Saturday? 453? That's really sad.
UWSP women drew over 1,600 each year they hosted the sectional final. Where was everyone?
UWSP women drew over 1,600 each year they hosted the sectional final. Where was everyone?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 16, 2008, 02:27:42 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 16, 2008, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
Was the attendance in the paper correct for Saturday? 453? That's really sad.
UWSP women drew over 1,600 each year they hosted the sectional final. Where was everyone?
1.) It's Whitewater
2.) It's WOMEN'S basketball
Remember, Whitewater failed to sellout any of their games the two years the men hosted regionals, this year and two years ago. They didn't even sell out their WIAC Final against Point. Obviously, the women are even worse. I don't expect 1600 for women's basketball in too many places, but 1000 probably isn't out of the question, especially at home. The two games the Whitewater women played? Simpson, seems like they are always a powerhouse, and DePauw, defending National Champions.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 16, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 16, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
Isn't it right what they say about Whiteater that it is a suit case college? On Friday night Matt Goodwin and Rob Perry were in the building and on Saturday nights game, I noticed Perry on the sidelines cheering...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 02:39:49 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 02:39:49 PM
I get that Whitewater isn't quite as hoop-crazy as Point, but to not even reach half a thousand? That's really poor.
Stevens Point, Eau Claire and Stout women all AVERAGED more than 453. Whitewater itself averages a little over 400. I just can't believe the lure of a Sectional Final against the defending national champion couldn't account for more than 50 fans over their average.
Stevens Point, Eau Claire and Stout women all AVERAGED more than 453. Whitewater itself averages a little over 400. I just can't believe the lure of a Sectional Final against the defending national champion couldn't account for more than 50 fans over their average.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
Perhaps what's-his-name wasn't willing to buy free student tickets for this game like he did for the football playoffs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
His name is David Kachel, Pat. He also provided free tickets to the students for the last two conference tournament games.
I don't have any answers but I can say that we were very disappointed. We've put very good teams on the floor and done a lot of winning. We've hosted the most significant game in our women's program since god only knows when yet the overwhelming majority of our student body remains disinterested. I just don't get it.
It is interesting that the thing you all are most interested in discussing is our attendance. Anybody want to talk about the team or doesn't that interest you.
I don't have any answers but I can say that we were very disappointed. We've put very good teams on the floor and done a lot of winning. We've hosted the most significant game in our women's program since god only knows when yet the overwhelming majority of our student body remains disinterested. I just don't get it.
It is interesting that the thing you all are most interested in discussing is our attendance. Anybody want to talk about the team or doesn't that interest you.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 07:46:08 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 07:46:08 PM
Why don't you tell us a little more about the team instead, then?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
It is interesting that the thing you all are most interested in discussing is our attendance. Anybody want to talk about the team or doesn't that interest you.
Don't lump me in that group... I posted the team picture and the picture of the coach I thought should be COY.
It sure must have been a thriller to watch your squad score the last 5 points of the game to defeat the defending national champs!!!
Do you think there is some jealously going on.... ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 08:51:17 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2008, 08:51:17 PM
Like BW, I'm just disappointed a great team can't get better support. I knew it wasn't as good in Whitewater as other places, but I didn't realize it was that bad. I don't think that knocks the UWW team in any way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 16, 2008, 11:24:29 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 16, 2008, 11:24:29 PM
The point of our posts have nothing to do with the team. I've seen them play this year, and in the past. I'll tell you that the Point v Whitewater WIAC tourney semi was one of the best games I've seen this year, men or women. It was really exciting and it is too bad that a great team like that can't get more support from it's fans, student or not.
Maybe Whitewater, like Oshkosh, is a suitcase school, but I also know they like to drink. Maybe they are just more interested in drinking. Of course, I'm not sure if that explains why the general public can't come out and support the team.
And, it would've been interesting to take a survey and ask the 400 fans there if they even knew that DePauw was the defending National Champs.
Maybe Whitewater, like Oshkosh, is a suitcase school, but I also know they like to drink. Maybe they are just more interested in drinking. Of course, I'm not sure if that explains why the general public can't come out and support the team.
And, it would've been interesting to take a survey and ask the 400 fans there if they even knew that DePauw was the defending National Champs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on March 17, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
Post by: Barber Greene on March 17, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
The women's championship game will be on CSTV on Saturday....as will the DI women's championship hockey game...hopefully it will be a Warhawk and Badger double-header
Speaking of the team, I sure hope the Warhawks can hit their free throws and take care of the ball better than they did against Depauw
Speaking of attendance, even at Madison the women's games are sparsely attended by students...more attend the volleyball games, which also seems to be true at Whitewater
What about attendance at the women's final four? Looking at the Hope website it seems like almost all of the tickets have been sold...but maybe most were bought by Hope fans so hopefully their fans will support the event even though their team is not in it anymore
Speaking of the team, I sure hope the Warhawks can hit their free throws and take care of the ball better than they did against Depauw
Speaking of attendance, even at Madison the women's games are sparsely attended by students...more attend the volleyball games, which also seems to be true at Whitewater
What about attendance at the women's final four? Looking at the Hope website it seems like almost all of the tickets have been sold...but maybe most were bought by Hope fans so hopefully their fans will support the event even though their team is not in it anymore
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2008, 09:32:43 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2008, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 16, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
Do you think there is some jealously going on.... ???
No, actually I think I was probably a tad over sensitive. I'm frustrated by the lack of support as well. My background and lifestyle are very sports oriented and I think it prevents me from understanding what in the world could be more interesting on campus right now than the women's basketball team.
We won this weekend despite turnovers and horrible free throw shooting because we were stronger in the post and deeper off the bench. It's not just a matter of numbers but the talent level of the substitutes and ours were better.
The NCAA's assignment of officials was also interesting. On Friday both crews had no connection to the teams participating but on Saturday night for the championship game all three were WIAC officials. I'd seen two of them in our gym during the regular season and the third was from LaCrosse. I'm not criticizing them in any way, they were fine, I just thought the NCAA tried to avoid that.
Next weekend the whole thing starts all over and I've heard DLK is footing the bill for a bus or two. Though with the semester break starting Friday I don't know how well we'll travel.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 09:55:19 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 09:55:19 AM
Here's the deal with officials: They all work in more than one league. So, the NCAA will look at who is playing and then ask a local conference to provide their best crew. So with UWW and DePauw, they might ask for MWC refs (just an example, I don't which conference provided them). With two conferences nearby it's very possible that the three MWC refs assigned might also happen to be WIAC refs. They might also happen to be NAC or CCIW refs too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 10:18:53 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 10:18:53 AM
The general seating tickets are sold out or nearly so but there are still tickets set aside for each of the four schools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 10:23:28 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 10:23:28 AM
I have a feeling the local crowd will still show up in very strong numbers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 17, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 17, 2008, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 09:55:19 AM
Here's the deal with officials: They all work in more than one league. So, the NCAA will look at who is playing and then ask a local conference to provide their best crew. So with UWW and DePauw, they might ask for MWC refs (just an example, I don't which conference provided them). With two conferences nearby it's very possible that the three MWC refs assigned might also happen to be WIAC refs. They might also happen to be NAC or CCIW refs too.
I think it is wrong for officials to be working teams in the NCAA that they have seen play 5-6 times during the season. I have been officiating for some time now, and a ref can sometimes be helping or hurting a team, although most of the time unconsciously. Refs will have prior knowledge about how a team plays. An example of this could be knowing if a team is more physical or a certain player is a flopper and this could influence calls.
I wish the NCAA would try to get the best officials to do these games, not the best officials who live in the area.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 17, 2008, 01:58:16 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 09:55:19 AM
Here's the deal with officials: They all work in more than one league. So, the NCAA will look at who is playing and then ask a local conference to provide their best crew. So with UWW and DePauw, they might ask for MWC refs (just an example, I don't which conference provided them). With two conferences nearby it's very possible that the three MWC refs assigned might also happen to be WIAC refs. They might also happen to be NAC or CCIW refs too.
I think it is wrong for officials to be working teams in the NCAA that they have seen play 5-6 times during the season. I have been officiating for some time now, and a ref can sometimes be helping or hurting a team, although most of the time unconsciously. Refs will have prior knowledge about how a team plays. An example of this could be knowing if a team is more physical or a certain player is a flopper and this could influence calls.
I wish the NCAA would try to get the best officials to do these games, not the best officials who live in the area.
I'm not able to give karma boosts... but this bolded portion certainly deserves one.
Did a little research myself on the officials for the UW-W sectional. Appears that of the three that handled the UW-W-Simpson game, two of them (a Barbara Fagan and a Brian Kenney) did at least one UW-W game this season. They were conference games, too.
In the UWW-DePauw game, both Becky Blank and Tyler Nelson officiated WIAC games involving Whitewater in the month of February. The third official that night is a Scott Doberstein. Mr. Doberstein was not an official for any previous WIAC games, but there is a Scott T. Doberstein who works as the athletic trainer at UW-Lacrosse. Perhaps that's nothing more than a strange coincidence, but I'm inclined to believe otherwise.
I would think that the NCAA would wish to try and avoid even the slightest appearance of impropriety in the assignment of their officials. I know that in most cases, that's exactly what happens. I can tell you that at the DePauw regional, the officials had not officiated a single DPU game all season long.
I fear that if I try and stretch the point any further I'll be accused of sour grapes. I just wanted to refute the earlier point that Friday night's officials had no connection to either team and to confirm (and strengthen) the point that Saturday night's officials had strong WIAC ties. And I think that's wrong, in any situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2008, 07:27:03 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2008, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
The third official that night is a Scott Doberstein. Mr. Doberstein was not an official for any previous WIAC games, but there is a Scott T. Doberstein who works as the athletic trainer at UW-Lacrosse. Perhaps that's nothing more than a strange coincidence, but I'm inclined to believe otherwise.
It was the "same" Scott Doberstein. But that is a good thing.
Why?
If Stout was playing LaCrosse, I would have no fears if Scott was one of the officials. He may work for LaCrosse, but he officiates like a pro, and is nothing if not totally unbiased. Scott has officiated games between Stout and LaCrosse - and I fully expect him to offiate some more in the future.
I find it funny that you don't want to be accused of sour grapes, but you've spent enough time investigating the officials to know where one of them works.... ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2008, 09:30:52 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2008, 09:30:52 PM
My bad and thanks for the correction, DPU. I don't believe Kenny has done games that I've seen, at least I don't remember him. I am familiar with Barbara and had just spaced it when I posted my initial comment. My bad, I didn't take the time to research it.
And just so it's perfectly clear in no way did I intent to imply that any of them were anything but imparitial and professional. Though I do tend to agree with those who feel they should come from some place else. Though for the big bucks they're getting I can see why the NCAA doesn't want to fly them in. That last statement is a bad joke and intended for amusement purposes only. :D
And just so it's perfectly clear in no way did I intent to imply that any of them were anything but imparitial and professional. Though I do tend to agree with those who feel they should come from some place else. Though for the big bucks they're getting I can see why the NCAA doesn't want to fly them in. That last statement is a bad joke and intended for amusement purposes only. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 09:57:07 PM
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 09:57:07 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 17, 2008, 07:27:03 PM
I find it funny that you don't want to be accused of sour grapes, but you've spent enough time investigating the officials to know where one of them works.... ???
Yep, this is about what I was afraid of, so let me make myself clear. My quarrel has nothing to do with officiating bias, perceived or otherwise. Rather, what I'm upset with is the idea, as 'usuallywrong' (who completely fails to live up to his/her username) said, that the NCAA would schedule officials who have done games involving one of the teams in the sectionals to officiate that team's games in the sectional. I think that goes completely against the spirit of neutral competition.
If you wanted sour grapes, this could be a much longer post. But that would belabor the point that I'm trying to make, which is that the NCAA should be making every effort to ensure that the officials they bring to the tournament have no prior working knowledge of the teams involved. It's fairer to everyone that way.
And for the record, if I were a fan of a WIAC school, and we were playing LaCrosse, and Mr. Doberstein were officiating, I'd be absolutely furious. Further, if I were a coach of a WIAC school and the above scenario occurred, I'd pull my team off the floor and refuse to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
For the record, Doberstein never officiates UW-La Crosse games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 17, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 17, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
For the record, I'm tied for 10th in the women's tourney pick em league. lol
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:23:56 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:23:56 AM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 09:57:07 PM
And for the record, if I were a fan of a WIAC school, and we were playing LaCrosse, and Mr. Doberstein were officiating, I'd be absolutely furious. Further, if I were a coach of a WIAC school and the above scenario occurred, I'd pull my team off the floor and refuse to play.
Scott has officiated UWL vs. UW Stout games.
I don't have a problem with it, because he's a professional.
Neither does Coach T. There are some other officials that I cringe every time I see them take the floor in a UW Stout game - but not Scott.
Quote from: Just BillFor the record, Doberstein never officiates UW-La Crosse games.
I know you meant well, but in this case you are wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 18, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 18, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:23:56 AM
Scott has officiated UWL vs. UW Stout games.
I don't have a problem with it, because he's a professional.
Neither does Coach T. There are some other officials that I cringe every time I see them take the floor in a UW Stout game - but not Scott.Quote from: Just BillFor the record, Doberstein never officiates UW-La Crosse games.
I know you meant well, but in this case you are wrong.
Champ,
It must have been a situation with an unavoidable conflict, because I've spoken to the conference officials assignor and he does not schedule Scott for UWL games (at Scott's own request).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on March 18, 2008, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: Barber Greene on March 18, 2008, 09:59:14 AM
Is there internet radio or video coverage of the games on Friday? Are Tom and Gary doing the Warhawk game? D3Hoops doing the games on Friday?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
We're doing all of the games, including streaming video for the semis and third-place game. Details out front later this week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 18, 2008, 12:13:48 PM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 18, 2008, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
We're doing all of the games, including streaming video for the semis and third-place game. Details out front later this week.
Where would I go to find the streaming video?
Thanks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 18, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
Post by: voice on March 18, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
Barber...
Gary and Tom ARE broadcasting all the Warhawk Women's Final Four action. I got the information from a very good source!
Gary and Tom ARE broadcasting all the Warhawk Women's Final Four action. I got the information from a very good source!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on March 18, 2008, 12:27:53 PM
Post by: Barber Greene on March 18, 2008, 12:27:53 PM
Good to know that I will be able to follow the games.
Stupid me, I had not expected the Warhawks being in the Final Four (men or women) and am now committed to other Easter weekend plans
That will teach me :D
Stupid me, I had not expected the Warhawks being in the Final Four (men or women) and am now committed to other Easter weekend plans
That will teach me :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Quote from: Z71Warhawk on March 18, 2008, 12:13:48 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2008, 11:34:51 AM
We're doing all of the games, including streaming video for the semis and third-place game. Details out front later this week.
Where would I go to find the streaming video?
Thanks
Details out front later this week, like I said.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:31:25 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 18, 2008, 09:49:28 AMChamp,
It must have been a situation with an unavoidable conflict, because I've spoken to the conference officials assignor and he does not schedule Scott for UWL games (at Scott's own request).
I'm sure that's true, but I remember the last time it happened was actually in LaCrosse. I was with Coach T before the game (road the team bus down) while the girls were suiting up, and when T learned Scott was officiating - he was totally cool with it.
Having seen the situation happen, I just couldn't understand DPU's comments "if I were a coach of a WIAC school and the above scenario occurred, I'd pull my team off the floor and refuse to play".
If the official is good at what they do, it shouldn't matter what game he/she officiates.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 18, 2008, 07:52:27 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 18, 2008, 07:52:27 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:31:25 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 18, 2008, 09:49:28 AMChamp,
It must have been a situation with an unavoidable conflict, because I've spoken to the conference officials assignor and he does not schedule Scott for UWL games (at Scott's own request).
I'm sure that's true, but I remember the last time it happened was actually in LaCrosse. I was with Coach T before the game (road the team bus down) while the girls were suiting up, and when T learned Scott was officiating - he was totally cool with it.
Having seen the situation happen, I just couldn't understand DPU's comments "if I were a coach of a WIAC school and the above scenario occurred, I'd pull my team off the floor and refuse to play".
If the official is good at what they do, it shouldn't matter what game he/she officiates.
I understand your point Champ, but if I was coaching a team and I learned a ref actually works at the school, it would be tough to deal with. I think it is different for some of the WIAC coaches since they know this ref usually does a very good job, but it would be tough for an out of conference coach to come in and learn this before or after one game. The reason is they have no idea who this guy is, if he is good, and his motives. Some of his calls could thought to be influenced.
I know this isn't the case with this official, but I am just trying to get a couple of other people to understand DPU's comments.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: DPU3619 on March 18, 2008, 09:02:37 PM
Post by: DPU3619 on March 18, 2008, 09:02:37 PM
I have a huge problem with an employee of a school in Conference XYZ officiating an NCAA tournament game featuring another XYZ conference team. My allegiance may lie with DePauw, but I feel that's not relevant to this issue as a whole. DePauw didn't lose on Saturday because of LaCrosse's trainer being one of the officials. They lost because they got outrebounded, allowed UWW to shoot 57% in the second half, and turned it over 19 times. Maybe a 7 foul differential had something do with it, but the other reasons are greater than that one.
Now, I do not doubt that the gentlemen in question is a upstanding fellow who does not intentionally favor any of the participants of any game he officiates. However, that should have no bearing on it. The potential that an official could affect a tournament game because they're employed by a conference member school is enough that it should never happen. Ever.
I do vehemently disagree with this statement, because I believe that having such a bias is not necessarily a conscious decision. Listen, an official may not be intentionally jobbing one team or the other. S/He may not go out there with the idea that he's sending Team X to the Final Four no matter what it takes. Think about one foul call here that could go the other way, or a traveling call there that they weren't 100% sure on so they gave the benefit of the doubt to the player. Those can add up throughout 40 minutes. That's not intentionally giving a team an edge, but it's still giving them an edge.
And again, I'm not saying that the official in question did anything to that effect, but the potential that he could have because of his familiarity with the Warhawks should be reason enough to prohibit such a thing from happening in the first place.
Now, I do not doubt that the gentlemen in question is a upstanding fellow who does not intentionally favor any of the participants of any game he officiates. However, that should have no bearing on it. The potential that an official could affect a tournament game because they're employed by a conference member school is enough that it should never happen. Ever.
Quote from: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:31:25 PM
If the official is good at what they do, it shouldn't matter what game he/she officiates.
I do vehemently disagree with this statement, because I believe that having such a bias is not necessarily a conscious decision. Listen, an official may not be intentionally jobbing one team or the other. S/He may not go out there with the idea that he's sending Team X to the Final Four no matter what it takes. Think about one foul call here that could go the other way, or a traveling call there that they weren't 100% sure on so they gave the benefit of the doubt to the player. Those can add up throughout 40 minutes. That's not intentionally giving a team an edge, but it's still giving them an edge.
And again, I'm not saying that the official in question did anything to that effect, but the potential that he could have because of his familiarity with the Warhawks should be reason enough to prohibit such a thing from happening in the first place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on March 18, 2008, 09:42:11 PM
Post by: hoops49 on March 18, 2008, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: buf on March 15, 2008, 09:48:08 PM
More good news for UWW: Howard Payne beat Hope. Now UWW (and the other two Final Four participants) don't have to worry about dealing with Hope on its home court.
Exactly why NO team should play on their home court at the National level.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on March 18, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Post by: hoops49 on March 18, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 17, 2008, 07:27:03 PMQuote from: DPULefty22 on March 17, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
The third official that night is a Scott Doberstein. Mr. Doberstein was not an official for any previous WIAC games, but there is a Scott T. Doberstein who works as the athletic trainer at UW-Lacrosse. Perhaps that's nothing more than a strange coincidence, but I'm inclined to believe otherwise.
It was the "same" Scott Doberstein. But that is a good thing.
Why?
If Stout was playing LaCrosse, I would have no fears if Scott was one of the officials. He may work for LaCrosse, but he officiates like a pro, and is nothing if not totally unbiased. Scott has officiated games between Stout and LaCrosse - and I fully expect him to offiate some more in the future.
I find it funny that you don't want to be accused of sour grapes, but you've spent enough time investigating the officials to know where one of them works.... ???
Lefty- I applaud you for doing the research. Champ wanted investigating done as in the bulk vs champ debate on UWEC vs Stout wins. But shame on you lefty for doing some good investigative work on the officiating process. Hilarious. ;
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2008, 10:32:37 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2008, 10:32:37 PM
Wes, I understand your concern (and tend to agree), but it is not that cut-and-dried. We have one soccer ref with ties to our high school (not an employee, but has coached many of the players and has a freshman daughter) who sometimes officiates our games. He is an excellent ref, but in our (admittedly biased) view, we hate to see him because we're convinced he bends so far backwards to 'prove' he is impartial that the OTHER team gets the advantage. After all, he knows the 'floppers' on OUR team, not the other! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 18, 2008, 11:11:26 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 18, 2008, 11:11:26 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on March 18, 2008, 09:02:37 PM
I have a huge problem with an employee of a school in Conference XYZ officiating an NCAA tournament game featuring another XYZ conference team. My allegiance may lie with DePauw, but I feel that's not relevant to this issue as a whole. DePauw didn't lose on Saturday because of LaCrosse's trainer being one of the officials. They lost because they got outrebounded, allowed UWW to shoot 57% in the second half, and turned it over 19 times. Maybe a 7 foul differential had something do with it, but the other reasons are greater than that one.
Now, I do not doubt that the gentlemen in question is a upstanding fellow who does not intentionally favor any of the participants of any game he officiates. However, that should have no bearing on it. The potential that an official could affect a tournament game because they're employed by a conference member school is enough that it should never happen. Ever.Quote from: The Champ on March 18, 2008, 07:31:25 PM
If the official is good at what they do, it shouldn't matter what game he/she officiates.
I do vehemently disagree with this statement, because I believe that having such a bias is not necessarily a conscious decision. Listen, an official may not be intentionally jobbing one team or the other. S/He may not go out there with the idea that he's sending Team X to the Final Four no matter what it takes. Think about one foul call here that could go the other way, or a traveling call there that they weren't 100% sure on so they gave the benefit of the doubt to the player. Those can add up throughout 40 minutes. That's not intentionally giving a team an edge, but it's still giving them an edge.
And again, I'm not saying that the official in question did anything to that effect, but the potential that he could have because of his familiarity with the Warhawks should be reason enough to prohibit such a thing from happening in the first place.
Very well put! I thought I was crazy thinking this way after reading some other posts! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 07:52:07 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 07:52:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2008, 10:32:37 PM
Wes, I understand your concern (and tend to agree), but it is not that cut-and-dried. We have one soccer ref with ties to our high school (not an employee, but has coached many of the players and has a freshman daughter) who sometimes officiates our games. He is an excellent ref, but in our (admittedly biased) view, we hate to see him because we're convinced he bends so far backwards to 'prove' he is impartial that the OTHER team gets the advantage. After all, he knows the 'floppers' on OUR team, not the other! ;)
Mr. Ypsi
Karma to you for understanding about the only negative for having someone like Scott officiating a game for his employer.
He takes his officiating seriously, and is not going to show bias to his "team" in a game he officiates. As you stated, if anything, it should be Lois - the HC at UWL - that should object to Scott officiating a UWL game.
It seems that some people want to have officials that have never seen either team play. In a perfect world, that would be nice. But it's not a perfect world.
Who officiates the Super Bowl? Who officiates the World Series? Who officiates the NBA Championship or the NHL Championship?
They come from the same group of refs/officials that have worked the league all season long, and are recognized as some of the best in the leauge. These officials could have hidden grudges or loyaties to the various teams or players, but they are hired to do a job and they do it.
If we tried to eliminate all officials who had ever officiated a game for any of the participants in the tournament, what would happen is that you'd probably end up eliminating all of the best officials after a certain period of time.
Give me the best officials available, regardless of how many times they've seen a team play. I wouldn't want the least experienced officials making the calls in an important game, and I don't think most other people here would either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:32:32 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:32:32 AM
Quote from: hoops49 on March 18, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Lefty- I applaud you for doing the research. Champ wanted investigating done as in the bulk vs champ debate on UWEC vs Stout wins. But shame on you lefty for doing some good investigative work on the officiating process. Hilarious. ;
Boy, another UWEC fan that still is spewing sour grapes... ::)
It wasn't much of a debate. bulk posting things that I knew were wrong, and I corrected him. End of story.
DPU was casting aspersions against one of the best, most impartial officials in the WIAC. Scott doesn't (and shouldn't) post here, so was unable to defend himself from the accusations. I defended him, and backed it up with facts. End of story.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 19, 2008, 09:30:01 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 19, 2008, 09:30:01 AM
Well we're two days from game day and we've throughly digested the attendance issues at WW and, I've only myself to blame for this, officiating assignment issues in the NCAA DIII tourney.
On the outside chance someone might be interested in the team representing the WIAC ;) I offer this article from today's WSJ which talks about the development of Dana Thompson and Tiffany Morton roommates who approach practice like a grudge match.
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/other/277635
On the outside chance someone might be interested in the team representing the WIAC ;) I offer this article from today's WSJ which talks about the development of Dana Thompson and Tiffany Morton roommates who approach practice like a grudge match.
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/other/277635
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: DPU3619 on March 19, 2008, 12:10:36 PM
Post by: DPU3619 on March 19, 2008, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 07:52:07 AM
Who officiates the Super Bowl? Who officiates the World Series? Who officiates the NBA Championship or the NHL Championship?
Certainly a fair point, but that's the pros. They employ all of their officials to officiate every team in the league. They see EVERYBODY throughout the course of the year. Mike Carey had seen both teams at least once when he officiated Super Bowl XLII this season. I would reckon he's seen all NFL teams in the last 2 to 3 years. Same goes for MLB umpires and NHL refs. They travel all over the country officiating games. By comparison, WIAC officials don't see SCAC teams.
A more accurate comparison is the fact that Big Ten refs don't ref the BCS Championship when Ohio State plays in it. That's regardless of how good that officiating crew may be. SEC officials didn't ref the MBB National Championship Game when Florida played in it the last two years. There are no PAC-10 umpires when USC is in the College World Series...etc etc etc. Why? To prevent bias. And for that reason, there shouldn't be WIAC officials (or employees!) in the Elite Eight when a WIAC team is playing, regardless of the integrity or high moral standard that the official in question may have. This isn't even about what kind of person Scott is. I'm sure he's a great guy and a fantastic official. This isn't a cheap shot at him directly. This shouldn't ever happen at all. Even when the best, most honorable official is the one in question.
Quote from: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 07:52:07 AM
Give me the best officials available, regardless of how many times they've seen a team play. I wouldn't want the least experienced officials making the calls in an important game, and I don't think most other people here would either.
If this is what you're after, then send him to ref tourney games hosted by an MWC, MIAA, or CCIW team. You're not losing the best officials, and there's no reason to bat an eye at him/her as a questionable selection on a crew. The WIAC and it's schools shouldn't have any problem getting the best officials who have 100% complete neutrality. I'm not asking you to go grab 3 scrubs who were reffing JV games in Green Bay last week. I'm asking you to get 'em from some place where they haven't seen (or are connected to) either team in the game or the conference they play in.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2008, 10:32:37 PM
Wes, I understand your concern (and tend to agree), but it is not that cut-and-dried. We have one soccer ref with ties to our high school (not an employee, but has coached many of the players and has a freshman daughter) who sometimes officiates our games. He is an excellent ref, but in our (admittedly biased) view, we hate to see him because we're convinced he bends so far backwards to 'prove' he is impartial that the OTHER team gets the advantage. After all, he knows the 'floppers' on OUR team, not the other! ;)
This got a good chuckle out of me. I think it's kind of humorous because one of the officials we see for basketball 4 or 5 times a year is a Wabash grad. I think he's a fantastic official, but I wouldn't want him in there in the tourney. Is he trying to play it like he's a Wabash alum? Maybe he shouldn't give us any calls because that's the way everybody expects to him officiate as a Wabash alum. On the other hand, is he giving us a break here or there because he doesn't want anybody to point to the fact that he's a Wabash alum? It's just too complicated. Even for an official that I think is one of the best we see throughout the year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 19, 2008, 12:26:20 PM
Post by: DPULefty22 on March 19, 2008, 12:26:20 PM
Champ... you are completely and utterly missing my point. I'm not casting any aspersions about your boy Doberstein. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy, good to his mother, and a fine official. I wasn't keeping track of which calls were made by which official on Saturday night. I am not saying, "These refs are blatantly biased towards UW-W and they wanted them to win, and DePauw got robbed. Also, Scott Doberstein hates puppies and is in Al-Qaida."
The point I am trying to make is that the NCAA should make every effort to secure a NEUTRAL officiating crew for championship tournament games. As usuallywrong and Mr. Ypsi pointed out, there are two sides to the idea of an official being more familiar with a certain team, and neither of them have any place in a championship tournament. If an offical is more familiar with a conference team that s/he's inclined, unconsciously or no, to give their players the benefit of the doubt on some calls - that's wrong. If an offical is more familiar with a conference team and is inclined, consciously, to not appear biased to the point of making more calls against their players - that's wrong, too.
I want to go back to my first post - the NCAA should avoid even the APPEARANCE of impropriety when selecting officials. I don't care if your boy Doberstein's the best whistle-blower since Mark Felt. That doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter if he were a crappy official, either. The point I've been trying to make is that ICH (Insert Conference Here) officials shouldn't be officiating games with one ICH team involved during NCAA championship tournament events. I don't understand what part of that you're not comprehending.
The point I am trying to make is that the NCAA should make every effort to secure a NEUTRAL officiating crew for championship tournament games. As usuallywrong and Mr. Ypsi pointed out, there are two sides to the idea of an official being more familiar with a certain team, and neither of them have any place in a championship tournament. If an offical is more familiar with a conference team that s/he's inclined, unconsciously or no, to give their players the benefit of the doubt on some calls - that's wrong. If an offical is more familiar with a conference team and is inclined, consciously, to not appear biased to the point of making more calls against their players - that's wrong, too.
I want to go back to my first post - the NCAA should avoid even the APPEARANCE of impropriety when selecting officials. I don't care if your boy Doberstein's the best whistle-blower since Mark Felt. That doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter if he were a crappy official, either. The point I've been trying to make is that ICH (Insert Conference Here) officials shouldn't be officiating games with one ICH team involved during NCAA championship tournament events. I don't understand what part of that you're not comprehending.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:12:51 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:12:51 PM
I don't know why the women's tournament doesn't take this more seriously. This is one thing the men's tournament does much better. Referees are consistently brought in from out of region, or at least out of conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 19, 2008, 04:34:03 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 19, 2008, 04:34:03 PM
Champ -
You have not proven me wrong with facts yet; nor have I written anything here that was wrong, sir. I challenge you to show me, and the others here, for the record, where I have been wrong. There are two sides to this argument. I have looked at the numbers, sir. You spin them one way, and I spin them my way...
You put conditions on your arguments to make them favor your school; I, too, put stipulations on my argument. I chose not to respond to your "let's-look-at-the-teams-when-the-coaches-had-an-entire-squad-recruited-by-himself/herself" argument, bypassing the first four years, because both coaches had to deal with the hands they were dealt.
But since you had to toss out another bone -
In EC's case, we had a great team coming back when TE started coaching; in Stout's, well, not so good. You can't have it both ways, in discounting the teams UWEC had, holding it against our coach's winning percentage while in the same time not factoring them into your coach's record, thereby boosting your coach up. Unless I'm mistaken, both coaches still had to coach those four seasons, and teach, and recruit. Doesn't matter who the players were. The Stout Blue Devils were Mark Thomas's team the minute he stepped on campus; the Blugolds became Coach Englund's team when she arrived here.
And in TE's case, I don't think, as a rookie coach that first year, when the team went to the 23-6 and to NCAA tournament, it was just a matter first-time collegiate coach just winding up players and sending them in. I think there was a bit of coaching involved...
You can come down off your lofty high horse now, oh great debater...
Oh, who is the losingest coach in WIAC history? ;)
You have not proven me wrong with facts yet; nor have I written anything here that was wrong, sir. I challenge you to show me, and the others here, for the record, where I have been wrong. There are two sides to this argument. I have looked at the numbers, sir. You spin them one way, and I spin them my way...
You put conditions on your arguments to make them favor your school; I, too, put stipulations on my argument. I chose not to respond to your "let's-look-at-the-teams-when-the-coaches-had-an-entire-squad-recruited-by-himself/herself" argument, bypassing the first four years, because both coaches had to deal with the hands they were dealt.
But since you had to toss out another bone -
In EC's case, we had a great team coming back when TE started coaching; in Stout's, well, not so good. You can't have it both ways, in discounting the teams UWEC had, holding it against our coach's winning percentage while in the same time not factoring them into your coach's record, thereby boosting your coach up. Unless I'm mistaken, both coaches still had to coach those four seasons, and teach, and recruit. Doesn't matter who the players were. The Stout Blue Devils were Mark Thomas's team the minute he stepped on campus; the Blugolds became Coach Englund's team when she arrived here.
And in TE's case, I don't think, as a rookie coach that first year, when the team went to the 23-6 and to NCAA tournament, it was just a matter first-time collegiate coach just winding up players and sending them in. I think there was a bit of coaching involved...
You can come down off your lofty high horse now, oh great debater...
Oh, who is the losingest coach in WIAC history? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 19, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 19, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
On a lighter note...... Go lady Warhawks and rep the WIAC in fine fashion on Friday Night in Holland.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:36:45 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:36:45 PM
bulk
You really are a stitch... ;D
You tell us that it's harder to maintain a winning history than it is to create one.
Lisa Stone created a winning tradition. She led UWEC to 11 consecutive winning seasons in the conference. Tonya hasn't done that - she has 2 non winning conference seasons in 8 years.
Lisa only finished worse than 2nd in the conference 1 time. Tonya's had 5 seasons (out of 8 seasons) that she's finished worse than 2nd.
Lisa had 9 consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances. Tonya's never had consecutive NCAA Tourney appearances.
So what has Tonya maintained? Not the winning tradition that she inherited.
Mark inherited a losing tradition. He built a winner.
Stout hasn't had a non winning conference season since the 1989/1990 season. Stout hasn't finished lower than fourth in the WIAC since the 1994/1995 season. Mark has had 3 consective NCAA appearance twice (1992 - 1994 and 2004 - 2007)), 2 consecutive once (1996 and 1997).
Tonya's taken what she inherited and made it worse. Mark took what he inherited (a perenial loser) and has made it one of the premier programs in the WIAC for the longer than Tonya's been in the conference.
bulk, if you want to debate, you're going to have to learn to get your FACTS straight before you post. I know that you THOUGHT the answer was Mark Thomas. But the actual all time record holder for that is from none other than UWEC.
Ever hear of Sandy Schumacher? Her record in 17 seasons: 102 wins against 177 losses for a .366 winning percentage. Now Sandy never led UWEC to a conference championship or an NCAA appearance. So despite coaching 93 fewer games (279) than Mark has won (372), she has more losses.
There may come a day when Mark exceeds the record that Sandy set, but I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence would agree that the number of wins accumulated during the time that it will take Coach T to break that record will make that a rather meaningless piece of trivia.
Although it may make certain frustrated UWEC fans feel better... ::)
You really are a stitch... ;D
You tell us that it's harder to maintain a winning history than it is to create one.
Lisa Stone created a winning tradition. She led UWEC to 11 consecutive winning seasons in the conference. Tonya hasn't done that - she has 2 non winning conference seasons in 8 years.
Lisa only finished worse than 2nd in the conference 1 time. Tonya's had 5 seasons (out of 8 seasons) that she's finished worse than 2nd.
Lisa had 9 consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances. Tonya's never had consecutive NCAA Tourney appearances.
So what has Tonya maintained? Not the winning tradition that she inherited.
Mark inherited a losing tradition. He built a winner.
Stout hasn't had a non winning conference season since the 1989/1990 season. Stout hasn't finished lower than fourth in the WIAC since the 1994/1995 season. Mark has had 3 consective NCAA appearance twice (1992 - 1994 and 2004 - 2007)), 2 consecutive once (1996 and 1997).
Tonya's taken what she inherited and made it worse. Mark took what he inherited (a perenial loser) and has made it one of the premier programs in the WIAC for the longer than Tonya's been in the conference.
QuoteOh, who is the losingest coach in WIAC history?
bulk, if you want to debate, you're going to have to learn to get your FACTS straight before you post. I know that you THOUGHT the answer was Mark Thomas. But the actual all time record holder for that is from none other than UWEC.
Ever hear of Sandy Schumacher? Her record in 17 seasons: 102 wins against 177 losses for a .366 winning percentage. Now Sandy never led UWEC to a conference championship or an NCAA appearance. So despite coaching 93 fewer games (279) than Mark has won (372), she has more losses.
There may come a day when Mark exceeds the record that Sandy set, but I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence would agree that the number of wins accumulated during the time that it will take Coach T to break that record will make that a rather meaningless piece of trivia.
Although it may make certain frustrated UWEC fans feel better... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:42:58 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:42:58 PM
BTW...
Can anymore UWEC fans give me some negative karma???
Hilarious when they can't win the discussion with facts, they resort to anonymous negative karma givers.... ;D
Can anymore UWEC fans give me some negative karma???
Hilarious when they can't win the discussion with facts, they resort to anonymous negative karma givers.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 19, 2008, 11:05:44 PM
Post by: buf on March 19, 2008, 11:05:44 PM
WOW, this board is hopping more so now, with only one team left, than it was when all nine teams were playing :D
I guess that I will throw my 2-cents in on the discussion.
Also, to add to this point, TE didn't inherit all of Lisa Stone's recruits. There were some very good ballplayers that left during the transition:
Jayme Anderson- All American, D3hoops All Decade Team, transfered to D1 Drake to follow Stone
Kay Mikolajzcak- Was at EC for 1 year before transfering to UWO. Can't remember if she was All-American. But was definitely one of the top players in the conference for a couple years.
Nya Geschke- transfered to UWW during the transition year. She was one of UWW's top players all four years.
Just pointing out that it wasn't all gravy for TE when she came to EC. Yes, she did still have some good players (that Stone recruited) on the team, but it wasn't as many as it could have been. She did have to deal with some key players not being on the team
On the debate about taking over winning vs. losing programs. This could be looked at a different way too. I'll put this to the extremes a bit to hopefully get my point across. Team A has had 3 consecutive 25-0 seasons when the teams coach decides to leave. Team B has had 3 consecutive 0-25 seasons when the teams coach decides to leave. Team A's new coach can't do any better winning percentage wise. On the other hand, new coach B can't do any worse. What I am trying to get at here is that coach A has no room for improvement (winning percentage wise), the team has reached the ceiling so to speak. On the other side, coach B has so much room for improvement. Does it mean coach B is a better coach than coach A if in 3 years down the road the teams records are: Team A 23-2, Team B 15-10? To me, these are completely different situations that are very difficult to compare. Now, if coach A had a 3-year record of 10-65 after taking over the program compared to coach B who had a 3-year record of 65-10 after taking over the program, then yes, you could most likely say that coach B is a better coach.
Well, as much as I like debating about these topics, no more from me on this until UWW's season is over. I do kind of feel for the UWW posters that this coaching debate has overshadowed "final 4" week for the warhawks.
I guess that I will throw my 2-cents in on the discussion.
Quote from: bulk19 on March 19, 2008, 04:34:03 PM
And in TE's case, I don't think, as a rookie coach that first year, when the team went to the 23-6 and to NCAA tournament, it was just a matter first-time collegiate coach just winding up players and sending them in. I think there was a bit of coaching involved...
Also, to add to this point, TE didn't inherit all of Lisa Stone's recruits. There were some very good ballplayers that left during the transition:
Jayme Anderson- All American, D3hoops All Decade Team, transfered to D1 Drake to follow Stone
Kay Mikolajzcak- Was at EC for 1 year before transfering to UWO. Can't remember if she was All-American. But was definitely one of the top players in the conference for a couple years.
Nya Geschke- transfered to UWW during the transition year. She was one of UWW's top players all four years.
Just pointing out that it wasn't all gravy for TE when she came to EC. Yes, she did still have some good players (that Stone recruited) on the team, but it wasn't as many as it could have been. She did have to deal with some key players not being on the team
On the debate about taking over winning vs. losing programs. This could be looked at a different way too. I'll put this to the extremes a bit to hopefully get my point across. Team A has had 3 consecutive 25-0 seasons when the teams coach decides to leave. Team B has had 3 consecutive 0-25 seasons when the teams coach decides to leave. Team A's new coach can't do any better winning percentage wise. On the other hand, new coach B can't do any worse. What I am trying to get at here is that coach A has no room for improvement (winning percentage wise), the team has reached the ceiling so to speak. On the other side, coach B has so much room for improvement. Does it mean coach B is a better coach than coach A if in 3 years down the road the teams records are: Team A 23-2, Team B 15-10? To me, these are completely different situations that are very difficult to compare. Now, if coach A had a 3-year record of 10-65 after taking over the program compared to coach B who had a 3-year record of 65-10 after taking over the program, then yes, you could most likely say that coach B is a better coach.
Well, as much as I like debating about these topics, no more from me on this until UWW's season is over. I do kind of feel for the UWW posters that this coaching debate has overshadowed "final 4" week for the warhawks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 19, 2008, 11:08:09 PM
Post by: buf on March 19, 2008, 11:08:09 PM
I think UWW's toughest game will be its first against Howard Payne. If they can get by them, UWW should have a pretty good chance to win it all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 20, 2008, 08:19:29 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 20, 2008, 08:19:29 AM
Quote from: buf on March 19, 2008, 11:05:44 PM
On the debate about taking over winning vs. losing programs. This could be looked at a different way too. I'll put this to the extremes a bit to hopefully get my point across. Team A has had 3 consecutive 25-0 seasons when the teams coach decides to leave. Team B has had 3 consecutive 0-25 seasons when the teams coach decides to leave. Team A's new coach can't do any better winning percentage wise. On the other hand, new coach B can't do any worse. What I am trying to get at here is that coach A has no room for improvement (winning percentage wise), the team has reached the ceiling so to speak. On the other side, coach B has so much room for improvement. Does it mean coach B is a better coach than coach A if in 3 years down the road the teams records are: Team A 23-2, Team B 15-10? To me, these are completely different situations that are very difficult to compare. Now, if coach A had a 3-year record of 10-65 after taking over the program compared to coach B who had a 3-year record of 65-10 after taking over the program, then yes, you could most likely say that coach B is a better coach.
Some reasonable points, and if your copartner had tried to make this point instead of dodging the question, this wouldn't have taken so long... ;)
The main difference is the fact that bulk claimed that TE maintained the record. Fact is, she has the only 2 non winning conference season records for UWEC over the last 20 years.
25% of TE's UWEC career she has failed to have winning records in the conference.
Mark took over a team that hadn't won a single conference game in over 3 years. He's had three non winning seasons - his first three. Since 1990 - it's nothing but winning records.
QuoteWell, as much as I like debating about these topics, no more from me on this until UWW's season is over. I do kind of feel for the UWW posters that this coaching debate has overshadowed "final 4" week for the warhawks.
Funny thing is, it was BW (and a few others) that requested we continue discussing the topic after I tried to get bulk to take it offline (remember - I asked him twice).... ;D
Good luck Warhawks, bring home the trophy!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 20, 2008, 09:57:53 AM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 20, 2008, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: buf on March 19, 2008, 11:08:09 PM
I think UWW's toughest game will be its first against Howard Payne. If they can get by them, UWW should have a pretty good chance to win it all.
How do Howard Payne and UW-W match up Bud? Who does the match up favor?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2008, 10:54:56 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2008, 10:54:56 AM
HP has size with starters over 6 ft including a 6'2" player and their leading scorer is a 5'8" junior guard. They score alot of points, roughly 76/game, and defensively allow less than 50 points/game. We score alot too with almost an 83 point/game average but give upa few more points as well, about 62/game.
Of course the intangible factor is the level of competition. I know nothing about their's but if you're 31-0 you're tested and obviously doing things well. Plus we know that Hope was a good team and holding them to just 47 points says something.
I think our schedule has prepared us well. We've beaten good teams in Simpson and DePauw and really seem to be peaking since the loss to Point in the conference tournament. Hopefully we can continue along those lines but it isn't going to be easy. We tend to struggle some when we can't get the ball into the low post and their size could make that difficult. Fortunately we've got some pretty good shooting guards and if they're hitting shots that should help open up the post.
I am concerned about our total lack of experience at this sort of thing.
Of course the intangible factor is the level of competition. I know nothing about their's but if you're 31-0 you're tested and obviously doing things well. Plus we know that Hope was a good team and holding them to just 47 points says something.
I think our schedule has prepared us well. We've beaten good teams in Simpson and DePauw and really seem to be peaking since the loss to Point in the conference tournament. Hopefully we can continue along those lines but it isn't going to be easy. We tend to struggle some when we can't get the ball into the low post and their size could make that difficult. Fortunately we've got some pretty good shooting guards and if they're hitting shots that should help open up the post.
I am concerned about our total lack of experience at this sort of thing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 20, 2008, 11:26:44 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 20, 2008, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2008, 10:54:56 AMThis is the part that worries me about UWW too. HPU's been in four NCAA Tournaments. Still it will come down to talent and execution first.
I am concerned about our total lack of experience at this sort of thing.
Come to think of it, I worried about the same thing for UWSP in 2002 and that worked out pretty well!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 20, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 20, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:36:45 PMQuoteOh, who is the losingest coach in WIAC history?
bulk, if you want to debate, you're going to have to learn to get your FACTS straight before you post. I know that you THOUGHT the answer was Mark Thomas. But the actual all time record holder for that is from none other than UWEC.
Ever hear of Sandy Schumacher? Her record in 17 seasons: 102 wins against 177 losses for a .366 winning percentage. Now Sandy never led UWEC to a conference championship or an NCAA appearance. So despite coaching 93 fewer games (279) than Mark has won (372), she has more losses.
There may come a day when Mark exceeds the record that Sandy set, but I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence would agree that the number of wins accumulated during the time that it will take Coach T to break that record will make that a rather meaningless piece of trivia.
Although it may make certain frustrated UWEC fans feel better... ::)
Hey Champ. Check your facts! With a career record of 372 wins and 190 losses, Thomas is the losingest coach as well... Unless my coveted UWEC diploma has failed me in the math department, 177 losses posted by Shumacher is still 13 less than Coach Thomas's 190???
As for being a frustrated fan, or, as alluded to earlier, Blugold fans having sour grapes? Well, not me. I will stack our team's recored and success over the last 21 years up against any other school, including Stout...
As far as most recent times? I'll take an expected conference championship this year - you will, no doubt, point out it was a tie. Check how many Stout has tied for; you don't mention that number. do you? - along with the individual accomplishments by a few of our players. I'm also pleased the team made it into round two of the NCAA tournament, and also swept Stout this year, too.
I've already said Coach Carollo deserved COY this year, so no frustration on that, either.
As far as your attempts to muzzle me? When you make an initial post, and I make an initial response, and you post again, I don't think it's time to take something off line, as per your request. It's appropriate I have a chance to respond for others to see in this public forum. Sorry pal, but I get equal time... It had been nearly a week since I posted, Thursday, the 13th, until you had to specifically mention me in a post on yesterday, the 19th. Sorry, but anything directed at me on here will get a response...
As far as the others here you think this distracts from the Whitewater tournament run? No one but you has suggested to me to end this debate. If they don't want to listen, they don't have to read. And I certainly am not preventing them from posting; this is a 24-hour forum, and I have not chopped off anyone's fingers... Chime in Hawks... They dominate the football board; where have they been this week as their team heads to the Final Four???
I believe Pat Coleman, in a response to a previous post on attendance, said it best: "Why don't you tell us a little more about the team instead, then?"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 20, 2008, 06:46:38 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 20, 2008, 06:46:38 PM
Believe me, I stopped reading (or at least stopped caring about) this stupidity two pages ago. But I also don't believe in telling people what they can and can't discuss, so if this little schtick makes you both feel better about yourself then, by all means, carry on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 20, 2008, 07:54:09 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 20, 2008, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 20, 2008, 06:36:07 PMHey Champ. Check your facts! With a career record of 372 wins and 190 losses, Thomas is the losingest coach as well... Unless my coveted UWEC diploma has failed me in the math department, 177 losses posted by Shumacher is still 13 less than Coach Thomas's 190???
Mea Culpa...
I was wrong. I incorrectly came up with my number. One of the things you will learn about me, is that when I'm wrong, I will admit it.
QuoteAs for being a frustrated fan, or, as alluded to earlier, Blugold fans having sour grapes? Well, not me. I will stack our team's recored and success over the last 21 years up against any other school, including Stout...j
Lisa Stone's record isn't in question here. Compare TE to Lisa Stone if you want to, but you won't like how that portrays TE, because she doesn't compare well.
The comparison to make is TE vs. MT over the EXACT same time period. How many non winning seasons do they each have? How many 5th or 6th place finishes do they each have? How many WIAC Championships do they each have? How many WIAC Tournament Championships do they each have?
Your frustration is demonstrated by your continued desparate attempts to keep adding Lisa Stone's record into the mix...
QuoteAs far as most recent times? I'll take an expected conference championship this year - you will, no doubt, point out it was a tie. Check how many Stout has tied for; you don't mention that number. do you? - along with the individual accomplishments by a few of our players. I'm also pleased the team made it into round two of the NCAA tournament, and also swept Stout this year, too.
When we tied for the conference championship, we became the number one seed based on a competive tiebreaker - not a coin flip... ::)
How many times has the number one seed in the WIAC failed to win the conference tournament? I'm glad you're glad you swept Stout this year. Put that right next to the WIAC Tournament trophy (oops.... you didn't win that did you?).
QuoteSorry, but anything directed at me on here will get a response...
Problem is, you failed to respond to the questions...
QuoteNo one but you has suggested to me to end this debate.
As I previously posted, a year ago some folks requested that we take a similar debate offline. I was just trying to accomodate what I thought the board wanted this time.
Have a wonderful day.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 21, 2008, 04:49:06 PM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 21, 2008, 04:49:06 PM
Go Lady Warhawks!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
Messiah defeated Oglethorpe in the first semifinal game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 07:08:42 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 07:08:42 PM
Quote from: Z71Warhawk on March 21, 2008, 04:49:06 PM
Go Lady Warhawks!!!!!!!!!!
I agree, and will say that again...
Go Lady Warhawks!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 07:44:24 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 07:44:24 PM
HPU-UWW just underway:
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 07:49:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 07:49:43 PM
3 all, 14:38.
Physical game
Physical game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wchandy on March 21, 2008, 07:50:29 PM
Post by: wchandy on March 21, 2008, 07:50:29 PM
Wow . . . tied at 3 early in the game with HPU shooting 1 or 15 from the floor and UWW hitting 1 or 6.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 07:52:35 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 07:52:35 PM
If that keeps up it'll be similar to HPU's previous game vs. Hope (which was tied at 20 at halftime)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:00:12 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:00:12 PM
UWW down 14-10 with 10min left 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:07:58 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:07:58 PM
WW down 22-15, 7min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:10:49 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:10:49 PM
UWW down 26-17, 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:12:35 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:12:35 PM
Looks like WW is getting away with some fouls early on. Maybe it is just the camera angle, but looks like they are fouling HPU.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:19:39 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:12:35 PM
Looks like WW is getting away with some fouls early on. Maybe it is just the camera angle, but looks like they are fouling HPU.
Yeah, unfortuntaly I agree. Mia Daniels has clearly got fouled the last two plays, but no call. Hopefully UWW can get things together at the half.
UWW down 33-22, 10sec
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
same score at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:22:15 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:22:15 PM
I guess I would rather the refs let them play than calling it too strict in the final four, but it could be called a little tighter in my opinion. Looks like an uphill climb for WW in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:35:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:22:15 PM
I guess I would rather the refs let them play than calling it too strict in the final four, but it could be called a little tighter in my opinion. Looks like an uphill climb for WW in the 2nd half.
It seems the refs are letting more go now in the final four for both the mens and womens games
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:36:59 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:36:59 PM
UWW outshootin HPU 36-33, but UWW has turned it over 17 times in the first half and have allowed 12 offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
UWW down 40-26, but it looks like they are being more aggressive in the 2nd half. They are drawing a lot of fouls against HPU
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:45:42 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:45:42 PM
UWW down 42-32, 14min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
They need to box out on HPU's shots, UWW is giving up too many offensive rebs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:48:11 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
They need to box out on HPU's shots, UWW is giving up too many offensive rebs
I agree, it is different seeing someone get the better of WW on the offensive boards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:51:09 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 08:51:09 PM
WW 3/10 from the foul line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:55:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:55:03 PM
WW down 46-35, 11min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:58:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 08:58:03 PM
Now 46-39, UWW making its run
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
Morton gets a couple of baskets, UWW down 51-43
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:04:19 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:04:19 PM
6:30left, UWW down 55-43
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:07:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:07:50 PM
57-45, 5min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:09:20 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:09:20 PM
Uww outshooting HPU 44-33 in percentage.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:13:44 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:13:44 PM
UWW down 63-51, 3min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:17:41 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:17:41 PM
UWW gets a steal, but misses 2 3-pointers, still down 10, 1:30 left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:20:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:20:38 PM
66-59, 42sec, HPU ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Congrutulations to UWW on a great season.
Wish you could have pulled this one out, but nothing to be ashamed of.
Wish you could have pulled this one out, but nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
Final
HPU 69
UWW 59
HPU 69
UWW 59
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 09:24:21 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Congrutulations to UWW on a great season.
Wish you could have pulled this one out, but nothing to be ashamed of.
I could be wrong, but isn't there a 3rd/4th place game tomorrow to be played?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 09:24:21 PMQuote from: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Congrutulations to UWW on a great season.
Wish you could have pulled this one out, but nothing to be ashamed of.
I could be wrong, but isn't there a 3rd/4th place game tomorrow to be played?
Yes, there is. I think at 2:30PM CST
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
Post by: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
Some interesting stats from the game!
UWW outshoots HPU 48% to 33% and loses by 10. HPU won all the other categories.
Rebs: HPU 43, UWW 31
Turnovers: HPU 16 UWW 27
FTs: HPU 21-25, UWW 6-15
UWW outshoots HPU 48% to 33% and loses by 10. HPU won all the other categories.
Rebs: HPU 43, UWW 31
Turnovers: HPU 16 UWW 27
FTs: HPU 21-25, UWW 6-15
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 09:33:21 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2008, 09:33:21 PM
Quote from: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:24:54 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 21, 2008, 09:24:21 PMQuote from: The Champ on March 21, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
Congrutulations to UWW on a great season.
Wish you could have pulled this one out, but nothing to be ashamed of.
I could be wrong, but isn't there a 3rd/4th place game tomorrow to be played?
Yes, there is. I think at 2:30PM CST
UWW gets Oglethorpe tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 21, 2008, 11:46:28 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 21, 2008, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: buf on March 21, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
Some interesting stats from the game!
UWW outshoots HPU 48% to 33% and loses by 10. HPU won all the other categories.
Rebs: HPU 43, UWW 31
Turnovers: HPU 16 UWW 27
FTs: HPU 21-25, UWW 6-15
27 TOs sure doesn't help the cause. Plus, HPU 14 more field goal attempts and made just 3 less shots. HPU had 21 offensive rebounds as well.
Oh well, congrats to WW and hope they can get a win tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2008, 12:07:18 AM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2008, 12:07:18 AM
HOLLAND, Mich. – Howard Payne (Texas) University went more than five minutes without a point to start the game, but bounced back to defeat the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, 69-59...
Howard Payne missed its first 14 shots from the field, but trailed only 3-0 before Meia Daniels hit a 3-point shot to get the Lady Jackets on the board with 14:46 left in the first half. A 10-2 run, capped by Elaine Hobbs' 3-point play, gave Howard Payne a 27-17 lead with 4:55 left in the first half.
Wow.
Howard Payne missed its first 14 shots from the field, but trailed only 3-0 before Meia Daniels hit a 3-point shot to get the Lady Jackets on the board with 14:46 left in the first half. A 10-2 run, capped by Elaine Hobbs' 3-point play, gave Howard Payne a 27-17 lead with 4:55 left in the first half.
Wow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 22, 2008, 11:28:32 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 22, 2008, 11:28:32 AM
Be interesting to see how WW bounces back today and plays the 3rd place game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 22, 2008, 12:07:18 AM
HOLLAND, Mich. – Howard Payne (Texas) University went more than five minutes without a point to start the game, but bounced back to defeat the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, 69-59...
Howard Payne missed its first 14 shots from the field, but trailed only 3-0 before Meia Daniels hit a 3-point shot to get the Lady Jackets on the board with 14:46 left in the first half. A 10-2 run, capped by Elaine Hobbs' 3-point play, gave Howard Payne a 27-17 lead with 4:55 left in the first half.
Wow.
Yeah, after the first 5 minutes, I wondered if either team would make it past 50. However, after the slow start, both teams picked up the offense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2008, 01:28:24 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2008, 01:28:24 PM
So what's more crazy? 3-0 after 5 minutes or the fact that HPU got off 14 shots. On that pace, they would've gotten a Grinnell-style 112 field goal attempts!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 22, 2008, 03:30:21 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 22, 2008, 03:30:21 PM
Oglethorpe/UW-Whitewater just underway:
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
And a very fast paced game so far, 2min in, tied at 5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:36:58 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:36:58 PM
15:25, UWW up 11-9
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:43:48 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:43:48 PM
12:30, UWW up 16-11.
Lots of turnovers by both teams, UWW-8, Ogl-6
Lots of turnovers by both teams, UWW-8, Ogl-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:48:44 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:48:44 PM
9:44, UWW up 22-16
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:53:27 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:53:27 PM
7min, UWW up 28-21
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:57:29 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 03:57:29 PM
UWW winning the rebound battle, 24-8, WOW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:00:04 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:00:04 PM
5min, UWW up 31-25
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
Morton just picked up fouls 2 and 3 in a matter of a couple seconds. The sub got to the check-in table too late after the 2nd foul. Morton then picked up her 3rd
3min, UWW up 33-32, has 15 turnovers, Hendrickson just picked up 2nd foul
3min, UWW up 33-32, has 15 turnovers, Hendrickson just picked up 2nd foul
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
Hendrickson just picked up foul #3 with 10sec left. Why was she in there?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:11:49 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:11:49 PM
UWW down 39-35 at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on March 22, 2008, 04:26:46 PM
Post by: hoops49 on March 22, 2008, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:32:32 AMQuote from: hoops49 on March 18, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Lefty- I applaud you for doing the research. Champ wanted investigating done as in the bulk vs champ debate on UWEC vs Stout wins. But shame on you lefty for doing some good investigative work on the officiating process. Hilarious. ;
Boy, another UWEC fan that still is spewing sour grapes... ::)
It wasn't much of a debate. bulk posting things that I knew were wrong, and I corrected him. End of story.
DPU was casting aspersions against one of the best, most impartial officials in the WIAC. Scott doesn't (and shouldn't) post here, so was unable to defend himself from the accusations. I defended him, and backed it up with facts. End of story.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
16min, UWW down 46-41
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:47:54 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:47:54 PM
10min, UWW up 53-50 thanks to some incredible offensive rebounding. UWW outrebounding Ogl. 56-22!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
UWW has 26 offensive rebs, while Olg has 22 total
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:57:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 04:57:43 PM
UWW up 64-55, 6min. UWW pounding on them inside.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on March 22, 2008, 05:00:10 PM
Post by: hoops49 on March 22, 2008, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 19, 2008, 08:42:58 PM
BTW...
Can anymore UWEC fans give me some negative karma???
Hilarious when they can't win the discussion with facts, they resort to anonymous negative karma givers.... ;D
I'm afraid you have to step up and take responsibility for your negative karma all by your arrogant self Champ.
I am so LMAO right now...... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:02:54 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:02:54 PM
Oglt. has no answer for Morton. She is completly dominating. Right now, she has 15pts and 18rebs. It would have been interesting to see what her numbers would be if she didn't get into foul trouble.
UWW up 68-61, 4min
UWW up 68-61, 4min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:10:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:10:08 PM
1min, 76-66 UWW up
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:16:51 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:16:51 PM
UWW wins 80-67, ends its season on a winning note. Ties the D3 tournament rebounding record with 69 rebs today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 22, 2008, 05:18:05 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 22, 2008, 05:18:05 PM
Props to UWW! :) ;) :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:21:34 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:21:34 PM
Morton finished with 19pts and 21rebs in only 20 minutes of playing time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 07:50:52 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 07:50:52 PM
Congrats to Tiffany Morton for making the All Tournament Team
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 22, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
BTW, Howard Payne just won the national championship over Messiah, 68-54.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 23, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on March 23, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
Oglethorpe? If WW couldn't beat a team with a name like that, I would never watch another game. Oglethorpe!?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 23, 2008, 03:20:44 AM
Post by: BoBo on March 23, 2008, 03:20:44 AM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on March 23, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
Oglethorpe? If WW couldn't beat a team with a name like that, I would never watch another game. Oglethorpe!?
To me, Oglethorpe is somewhat normal compared to their nickname...the Stormy Petrels? I always thought of myself as being aquainted with finer things in art and sciences, but, what's that all about?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 23, 2008, 03:25:23 AM
Post by: BoBo on March 23, 2008, 03:25:23 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 22, 2008, 11:28:32 AM
Be interesting to see how WW bounces back today and plays the 3rd place game.
Quote from: buf on March 22, 2008, 05:16:51 PM
UWW wins 80-67, ends its season on a winning note. Ties the D3 tournament rebounding record with 69 rebs today.
To answer your question U24, I guess they decided a little rebounding might be a winning formula! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 09:46:43 AM
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: BoBo on March 23, 2008, 03:20:44 AMThe Stormy Petrel (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/petey/) is a convergence of ornithology and American history. ;)Quote from: janesvilleflash on March 23, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
Oglethorpe? If WW couldn't beat a team with a name like that, I would never watch another game. Oglethorpe!?
To me, Oglethorpe is somewhat normal compared to their nickname...the Stormy Petrels? I always thought of myself as being acquainted with finer things in art and sciences, but, what's that all about?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 23, 2008, 11:09:08 AM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 23, 2008, 11:09:08 AM
Congrats Lady Warhawks!! One heck of a season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 24, 2008, 09:35:06 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 24, 2008, 09:35:06 AM
Well, I'm back from Holland safe and sound. OS, you're lucky you didn't ride along. The drive over was miserable. What took under just over four hours to drive home took over 7 hours going over including a two mile stretch that took just under an hour by itself. I saw two cars which had rolled and at least another dozen that had slid into ditches. It was nasty. Anyway Saturday was a nice day.
What an incredible facility the DeVos Center is. When I read it only sat 3700 or so I didn't think it would be that impressive despite photos that I'd seen. But, boy, was I ever wrong. It is really impressive and when you walk in and look down onto the floor from the concourse you get the feel of being in a big time arena. There isn't a bad seat in the house either. The heated sidewalks around the building and grounds are cool too. I heard they had them downtown but I didn't get out a whole lot what with the NCAA's on TV and nursing a nagging cold.
Friday:
Howard Payne was really good. They had good size, we're quick and very athletic. They were tenacious defensively and we really struggled at times trying to get into our offense. We made some stupid mistakes but a fair share were caused by the pressure they were applying. Turnovers really killed us though. Our free throw shooting the entire tournament was horrible. In this game is was obscene. We couldn't have thrown a ball in the Pacific Ocean. Nobody has beaten us on the offensive boards like they did all season. Blalock was tough and they had some leapers too. Our focus wasn't good either we just didn't block out decently. It was a disappointing loss but at least it was to a very good team. Mia Daniels is the real deal too. Every single time we started to close the gap she answered. She was a legit POY
Saturday:
My day didn't start well. My car was parked up to it's undercarriage in snow and a front tire was flat. Then after changing it and heading off to WalMart to get the flat repaired I got a half a block and my spare was flat. So I'm walking up Hwy31 and a guy pulls over and offers me a ride. I go to get in and his door won't open. Then he's going to call Triple A for me but his cell phone won't work. So I finally get in his back seat and he's going to run me to a hotel where I'll call a tower. When we get there his back door won't open until he gets out and opens from outside. Things got better though. The tow was only $65 and he towed me to a place, Discount Tires, that actually does repairs for free even if you aren't a prior customer and they didn't sell you the tires. They fixed both of the tires.
Olgethrope didn't look like that good of a team on Friday vs Messiah. They shot poorly, had no size and turned it over alot. Messiah got open look after open look. But they played much better on Saturday. They were able to beat us up the floor several times to get easy and uncontested layups. And again we turned it over alot particularly in the first half. Though we were controlling the boards and at times in the first half appeared to be taking control they never gave an inch and when we got really sloppy over the course of the last few minutes of the first half they made a run and put a scare into everyone in purple. After a sloppy start to the second half we settled down, took better care of the ball and started pounding it inside where we could dominate. With a significant size advantage we were all over the rebounds on both ends of the court. The team tied an NCAA record with 69 total rebounds and Morton (21) missed the tying the individual record by two.
NCAA Division III can be forgiving and it gives two teams a chance to end on a winning note. While it was disappointing to lose Friday, Saturday's victory was very satisfying and it's hard to stay disappointed by what has arguably been the best season of women's basketball at UW-W in two decades if not all time. It was a heck of a good ride and to the seniors (Lyndsey B, Trisha T and Shannon M.) thanks for all of your efforts. You can all be proud to have played a part in starting a tradition of winning at UW-W. Thanks again and good luck to you in the future.
What an incredible facility the DeVos Center is. When I read it only sat 3700 or so I didn't think it would be that impressive despite photos that I'd seen. But, boy, was I ever wrong. It is really impressive and when you walk in and look down onto the floor from the concourse you get the feel of being in a big time arena. There isn't a bad seat in the house either. The heated sidewalks around the building and grounds are cool too. I heard they had them downtown but I didn't get out a whole lot what with the NCAA's on TV and nursing a nagging cold.
Friday:
Howard Payne was really good. They had good size, we're quick and very athletic. They were tenacious defensively and we really struggled at times trying to get into our offense. We made some stupid mistakes but a fair share were caused by the pressure they were applying. Turnovers really killed us though. Our free throw shooting the entire tournament was horrible. In this game is was obscene. We couldn't have thrown a ball in the Pacific Ocean. Nobody has beaten us on the offensive boards like they did all season. Blalock was tough and they had some leapers too. Our focus wasn't good either we just didn't block out decently. It was a disappointing loss but at least it was to a very good team. Mia Daniels is the real deal too. Every single time we started to close the gap she answered. She was a legit POY
Saturday:
My day didn't start well. My car was parked up to it's undercarriage in snow and a front tire was flat. Then after changing it and heading off to WalMart to get the flat repaired I got a half a block and my spare was flat. So I'm walking up Hwy31 and a guy pulls over and offers me a ride. I go to get in and his door won't open. Then he's going to call Triple A for me but his cell phone won't work. So I finally get in his back seat and he's going to run me to a hotel where I'll call a tower. When we get there his back door won't open until he gets out and opens from outside. Things got better though. The tow was only $65 and he towed me to a place, Discount Tires, that actually does repairs for free even if you aren't a prior customer and they didn't sell you the tires. They fixed both of the tires.
Olgethrope didn't look like that good of a team on Friday vs Messiah. They shot poorly, had no size and turned it over alot. Messiah got open look after open look. But they played much better on Saturday. They were able to beat us up the floor several times to get easy and uncontested layups. And again we turned it over alot particularly in the first half. Though we were controlling the boards and at times in the first half appeared to be taking control they never gave an inch and when we got really sloppy over the course of the last few minutes of the first half they made a run and put a scare into everyone in purple. After a sloppy start to the second half we settled down, took better care of the ball and started pounding it inside where we could dominate. With a significant size advantage we were all over the rebounds on both ends of the court. The team tied an NCAA record with 69 total rebounds and Morton (21) missed the tying the individual record by two.
NCAA Division III can be forgiving and it gives two teams a chance to end on a winning note. While it was disappointing to lose Friday, Saturday's victory was very satisfying and it's hard to stay disappointed by what has arguably been the best season of women's basketball at UW-W in two decades if not all time. It was a heck of a good ride and to the seniors (Lyndsey B, Trisha T and Shannon M.) thanks for all of your efforts. You can all be proud to have played a part in starting a tradition of winning at UW-W. Thanks again and good luck to you in the future.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 24, 2008, 10:55:09 AM
Post by: Z71Warhawk on March 24, 2008, 10:55:09 AM
BW,
Thanks for the report... I was listening albeit hard on the radio.... Free throws, turnovers and rebounds were the Lady Warhawks achilles heel on Friday... If I'm not mistaken, they outshot Howard Payne..... Sorry to hear about your auto troubles... Bottome line you got there and back safe and sound.
Thanks for the report... I was listening albeit hard on the radio.... Free throws, turnovers and rebounds were the Lady Warhawks achilles heel on Friday... If I'm not mistaken, they outshot Howard Payne..... Sorry to hear about your auto troubles... Bottome line you got there and back safe and sound.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 24, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 24, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
Congrats to the Warhawks on a mighty fine season, going down in the record books as one of the best, if not the, in school history...
After a loss on Friday, teams sometimes have to guard against a letdown in playing a third-place game on Saturday.
But the Hawks were apparently fired up and ready to play, posting a tournament record of 69 rebounds. Rebounding is an attitude. That effort was an impressive display, and says something about the character of the team...
After a loss on Friday, teams sometimes have to guard against a letdown in playing a third-place game on Saturday.
But the Hawks were apparently fired up and ready to play, posting a tournament record of 69 rebounds. Rebounding is an attitude. That effort was an impressive display, and says something about the character of the team...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 24, 2008, 01:34:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 24, 2008, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2008, 09:46:43 AMThe Stormy Petrel (http://www.oglethorpe.edu/athletics/petey/) is a convergence of ornithology and American history. ;)
To me, Oglethorpe is somewhat normal compared to their nickname...the Stormy Petrels? I always thought of myself as being acquainted with finer things in art and sciences, but, what's that all about?
[/quote]
Initially I had no idea what a Petrel was and couldn't make head nor tails out of the slogan "Give them the BIRD" that I noticed their fans wearing. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 24, 2008, 05:01:42 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 24, 2008, 05:01:42 PM
Hey BW,
Thanks for the update. Obviously you decided not to take the bus! Oops.
Glad things finally worked out for you. 3 seniors gone, is WW going to continue to be a WIAC power?
Point loses some pretty good players, I know that.
Until next year...
Thanks for the update. Obviously you decided not to take the bus! Oops.
Glad things finally worked out for you. 3 seniors gone, is WW going to continue to be a WIAC power?
Point loses some pretty good players, I know that.
Until next year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 24, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
Post by: buf on March 24, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 24, 2008, 05:01:42 PM
3 seniors gone, is WW going to continue to be a WIAC power?
I would imagine that they would be the favorites next year in conference. Both Point and EC lose more from their teams than does UWW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 25, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 25, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
I'm very excited about the potential for next year's team. Whether it's a conference power remains to be seen but on paper it will be a very, very competitive team. We lose two seniors of significance (Buechner & Thill). Both will be hard to replace however we already have the players to do it in place. So basically we'll need to replenish some of our backups next year and we have some talented freshmen who didn't get a lot of playing time this year. Games aren't played on paper obviously and it takes some breaks here and there to repeat but we should be a good position to make a run at it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 25, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Point loses a lot more than I thought they did.
Neuenfeldt-9.8/3.8
Houghton-12.5 pts/3.6 reb.
Kranz-9.6/4.1
Nicastro
Heuer
The first three were the three top scorers and 3 of the top 4 rebounders. Nicastro and Heuer both averaged 4.6 pts a game.
Kranz was always one of my favorite Pointers the last several years.
Neuenfeldt-9.8/3.8
Houghton-12.5 pts/3.6 reb.
Kranz-9.6/4.1
Nicastro
Heuer
The first three were the three top scorers and 3 of the top 4 rebounders. Nicastro and Heuer both averaged 4.6 pts a game.
Kranz was always one of my favorite Pointers the last several years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 27, 2008, 08:45:48 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 27, 2008, 08:45:48 AM
Graduation losses for Stout:
Starters
Lindsey Geissler - 8.6pts/2.1rbds/27.7mins
Joanna Bird - 5.7/1/20.4
Reserves
Mary Schaefer - 3.1/1.7/12.6
All three are guards, so we return all of our "bigs" - including Julia Hirssig, Dani Boese, Trish VanVrede, Megan Maslowski, Shelby Churchill and Danielle DeWitt.
I think that Lindsey Gerber and Kim Stokke join Hirssig, Boese and Charlee Edwards as the starters. Maybe the Wyngaard sisters pick up the playing time off the bench for Gerber and Stokke - or maybe some of the other current freshman or one of the 2008 recruits.
Have to see how all these players mesh in their new roles for the 2008/2009 season. But I'm optimistic that, although we'll miss our seniors, the winning tradition at Stout will continue.
Starters
Lindsey Geissler - 8.6pts/2.1rbds/27.7mins
Joanna Bird - 5.7/1/20.4
Reserves
Mary Schaefer - 3.1/1.7/12.6
All three are guards, so we return all of our "bigs" - including Julia Hirssig, Dani Boese, Trish VanVrede, Megan Maslowski, Shelby Churchill and Danielle DeWitt.
I think that Lindsey Gerber and Kim Stokke join Hirssig, Boese and Charlee Edwards as the starters. Maybe the Wyngaard sisters pick up the playing time off the bench for Gerber and Stokke - or maybe some of the other current freshman or one of the 2008 recruits.
Have to see how all these players mesh in their new roles for the 2008/2009 season. But I'm optimistic that, although we'll miss our seniors, the winning tradition at Stout will continue.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 27, 2008, 03:43:33 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 27, 2008, 03:43:33 PM
It is my opinion that it is harder to replace a starting backcourt than a starting frontcourt since they have the ball in their hands so often. I think that PG is the most important position on the court by far. Teams with great PGs can usually do some damage in the NCAAs, that is if the rest of their players have some skill and it is not just a one person show.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 27, 2008, 08:48:02 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 27, 2008, 08:48:02 PM
Uw24
I won't argue that the back court is important - they are.
But the two of our 3 starting guards graduated - that's a fact. I'm happy that we have 2 younger guards that had significant playing time the last two seasons at Stout to hopefully step up and fill those two slots.
Maybe I didn't state it well, but my point was that we return ALL of our front court - meaning that the whole front court crew has 1 more year of experience and hopefully an improved game.
I won't argue that the back court is important - they are.
But the two of our 3 starting guards graduated - that's a fact. I'm happy that we have 2 younger guards that had significant playing time the last two seasons at Stout to hopefully step up and fill those two slots.
Maybe I didn't state it well, but my point was that we return ALL of our front court - meaning that the whole front court crew has 1 more year of experience and hopefully an improved game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 28, 2008, 12:11:10 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 28, 2008, 12:11:10 AM
Oh I didn't mean that Stout will fall off the map. I was just stating I think good guards are the key to good basketball teams. It will help that some of their guards got some good playing team last season and aren't all new to the WIAC scene. Most teams that lose their starting backcourt don't have players the level of Edwards, Bose, and Hirssig in the frontcourt. In my opinion, Stout will be fine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 28, 2008, 08:16:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 28, 2008, 08:16:30 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 28, 2008, 12:11:10 AMMost teams that lose their starting backcourt don't have players the level of Edwards, Bose, and Hirssig in the frontcourt. In my opinion, Stout will be fine.
I appreciate your sentiment that Stout will be fine. But to clarify the backcourt issue, as I stated in my previous post, "But the two of our 3 starting guards graduated - that's a fact".
Charlee Edwards was one of the 3 starting guards. I understand that in theory, the game of BB has 2 forwards, a center and 2 guards - but that isn't the way it actually is at Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 31, 2008, 10:15:01 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 31, 2008, 10:15:01 PM
Anybody got any information on recruits coming in? I was watching some state games a couple weeks ago and am interested to hear if anyone is going to be playing in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on April 01, 2008, 02:43:55 PM
Post by: buf on April 01, 2008, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 31, 2008, 10:15:01 PM
Anybody got any information on recruits coming in? I was watching some state games a couple weeks ago and am interested to hear if anyone is going to be playing in the WIAC.
Katie Pospishil (EC Memorial), 6-1 C, is planning on attending UWEC
Stacey Van Handel (Freedom) PROBABLY to either UWO or UWL. I was really impressed with her at the state tournament. Could be a huge impact player in the WIAC. Kind of reminds me of Jayme Anderson in the way she plays.
Thats about all I have seen so far for recruits
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on April 02, 2008, 11:49:48 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on April 02, 2008, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: buf on April 01, 2008, 02:43:55 PM
Stacey Van Handel (Freedom) PROBABLY to either UWO or UWL. I was really impressed with her at the state tournament. Could be a huge impact player in the WIAC. Kind of reminds me of Jayme Anderson in the way she plays.
Thats good to know. Wasn't she a second team all state pick? I thought she would have gone somewhere with scholarships the way she was playing in March.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on April 02, 2008, 09:56:49 PM
Post by: buf on April 02, 2008, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on April 02, 2008, 11:49:48 AMQuote from: buf on April 01, 2008, 02:43:55 PM
Stacey Van Handel (Freedom) PROBABLY to either UWO or UWL. I was really impressed with her at the state tournament. Could be a huge impact player in the WIAC. Kind of reminds me of Jayme Anderson in the way she plays.
Thats good to know. Wasn't she a second team all state pick? I thought she would have gone somewhere with scholarships the way she was playing in March.
She still may get a scholarship offer. Playing well at the state tourney certainly will open the eyes of some coaches. I was reading a state tourney preview and was really impressed by her pts/rebs a game and also noticed that she was 6'0". I assumed she was going to a D3 school because she was a post player (Hard to get scholarships if you are a 6' post player). But I was surprised when a saw her play (more of a slasher). As a result, I was really surprised that she wasn't going to a D2 or low D1 school.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 03, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
Post by: billys on April 03, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
Van Handel is probably a perfect fit for the WIAC. She's definitely not 6'0" tall (probably 5'10) and isn't a great shooter from the perimeter so she would be a major tweener at a scholarship school. In the WIAC she can play the 3/4 comfortably though and still have the ability to rebound like she could do in high school.
That state tournament appearance definitely got her the All-State accolades but she's definitely not among the top ten college prospects in the state.
Definitely would be best served to go to UWO or UWL ... preferably UWL ;)
That state tournament appearance definitely got her the All-State accolades but she's definitely not among the top ten college prospects in the state.
Definitely would be best served to go to UWO or UWL ... preferably UWL ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
Tough news out of UW-Stout today. Three students die in an off-campus house fire.
Stout Website (http://www.uwstout.edu/deaths)
Certainly tough to deal with. Prayers and toughts are with the UW-Stout community!
Stout Website (http://www.uwstout.edu/deaths)
Certainly tough to deal with. Prayers and toughts are with the UW-Stout community!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on April 06, 2008, 05:43:51 PM
Post by: buf on April 06, 2008, 05:43:51 PM
The Leader Telegram's All Northwest HS Team was announced this weekend:
Casey Weber (Rice Lake)-5'7", 20pts/gm. All Northwest Player of the Year. WIAC schools in the mix
Hannah Quilling (EC North)- To UWGB
Katie Pospishil (EC Memorial)- 6'1", 14.6pts. To UWEC
Tiffany Gregorich (Altoona)- 5'5", 12.1pts. PROBABLY to either Stout, UWRF or Superior
Beth Alberson (Flambeau)- 5'7", 14.3pts. Undecided
Casey Weber (Rice Lake)-5'7", 20pts/gm. All Northwest Player of the Year. WIAC schools in the mix
Hannah Quilling (EC North)- To UWGB
Katie Pospishil (EC Memorial)- 6'1", 14.6pts. To UWEC
Tiffany Gregorich (Altoona)- 5'5", 12.1pts. PROBABLY to either Stout, UWRF or Superior
Beth Alberson (Flambeau)- 5'7", 14.3pts. Undecided
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on April 22, 2008, 11:15:51 PM
Post by: bulk19 on April 22, 2008, 11:15:51 PM
RE: All Northwest HS team players -
The Leader-Telegram confirmed yesterday that Tiffany Gregorich, Altoona, will be attending UW-River Falls... Scored more than 1,000 points during her four years as a Railroader...
The Leader-Telegram confirmed yesterday that Tiffany Gregorich, Altoona, will be attending UW-River Falls... Scored more than 1,000 points during her four years as a Railroader...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on April 25, 2008, 05:24:18 PM
Post by: jdoug2 on April 25, 2008, 05:24:18 PM
Coming from someone who has never been in Wisconsin, I have a question concerning the recruits to the DIII schools. Do the best high school girls typically attend and play for the DIII college? Or do the DIII just get those who can't play at a higher level?
I live in Texas and my niece plays in the SLIAC. I know there was zero chance of her playing DI, but she is ok in D3. And Texas puts out tons of kids that play D1. But the best players go D1.
Just wondering.
I live in Texas and my niece plays in the SLIAC. I know there was zero chance of her playing DI, but she is ok in D3. And Texas puts out tons of kids that play D1. But the best players go D1.
Just wondering.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on April 25, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on April 25, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
Our best players go to D-I just like everyone else's. The biggest difference is we don't have nearly as many scholarship schools as Texas. Wisconsin has just 4 D-I's and 1 D-II. Without D-II schools, WIAC teams typically get a fair shot at every kid that doesn't get a D-I ride. That's one of the reasons for the WIAC's relative strength over many other D-III conferences.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on April 28, 2008, 07:34:54 PM
Post by: jdoug2 on April 28, 2008, 07:34:54 PM
Thanks Bill. That makes sense. I am sure there are many reasons the wiac is strong, but this has to be pretty high on the list.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2008, 09:17:42 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2008, 09:17:42 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on April 25, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
The biggest difference is we don't have nearly as many scholarship schools as Texas.
Nor nearly as many people.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on April 29, 2008, 09:22:01 AM
Post by: The Champ on April 29, 2008, 09:22:01 AM
Quote from: jdoug2 on April 25, 2008, 05:24:18 PM
Coming from someone who has never been in Wisconsin, I have a question concerning the recruits to the DIII schools. Do the best high school girls typically attend and play for the DIII college? Or do the DIII just get those who can't play at a higher level?
I live in Texas and my niece plays in the SLIAC. I know there was zero chance of her playing DI, but she is ok in D3. And Texas puts out tons of kids that play D1. But the best players go D1.
Just wondering.
I'm not a total guru on this, but the WIAC can't offer scholarships.
If a player is good enough to be offered a scholarship to play D1 BB, in most cases, they'll play D1 vs. paying to go to one of the state DIII schools.
Now there are some players, who have an educational mindset, that will pay to go to the state school that provides them the better education in their chosen field vs. a free ride at a school that won't (see Kelsey Duoss after 1 year at D1).
The WIAC has some great schools with very solid programs. They are also pretty darn good BB schools as well... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: muellertime09 on May 16, 2008, 03:25:30 PM
Post by: muellertime09 on May 16, 2008, 03:25:30 PM
Could anybody tell me who's being recruited to UWO for next year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on May 16, 2008, 08:15:11 PM
Post by: wisconsinball on May 16, 2008, 08:15:11 PM
Here is a list found on http://wissports.net/playground/tm.asp?m=894568 Didn't see anything for UWO, UWP, UWW, UWSP.
Tiffany Gregorich, Altoona, UW River Falls
Courtney Jensen, Cornell, UW River Falls
Hailey Hart, Osseo-Fairchild, UW Superior
Emily Mattison (Chippewa Falls) - University of Wisconsin La Crosse
Morgan Stueber, Park Falls, UW LaCrosse
Trisha Zwiers, Freedom, UW LaCrosse
Brianna Roberts- UW Lacrosse
Cody Vanden Heuvel, Cadott, UW Stout
Kerri Kost, Rhinelander, UW Stout
Brittni Hover, Clayton, UW Eau Claire
Laura Olson, Osseo-Fairchild, UW Eau Claire
Katie Pospishil, Eau Claire Memorial, UW Eau Claire
Carol Cayo, Lake Mills, Milwaukee School of Engineering
Jena Darwin, Menomonie, Dubuque
Joelle Domingos, Hortonville, Dubuque
Hannah Haugestuen, Barron, Dubuque
Kerry McDermott, Rio, Dubuque
Aimee Reyzer, Altoona, Dubuque
Heather Taylor (River Ridge) - University of Dubuque
Ashleigh Galligan, Campbellsport, Northland
Kristin Zimmer, Laona, Northland
Emily Romataski, Northland Pines, Ripon
Erin Lind- Ripon
Caitlyn Krenz- Marian
Katie Hackbart (Arrowhead) - St Norberts
Holly Schiedermeyer, Waupaca, Macalester
Kayla Solum, Somerset, St. Benedict
Tiffany Gregorich, Altoona, UW River Falls
Courtney Jensen, Cornell, UW River Falls
Hailey Hart, Osseo-Fairchild, UW Superior
Emily Mattison (Chippewa Falls) - University of Wisconsin La Crosse
Morgan Stueber, Park Falls, UW LaCrosse
Trisha Zwiers, Freedom, UW LaCrosse
Brianna Roberts- UW Lacrosse
Cody Vanden Heuvel, Cadott, UW Stout
Kerri Kost, Rhinelander, UW Stout
Brittni Hover, Clayton, UW Eau Claire
Laura Olson, Osseo-Fairchild, UW Eau Claire
Katie Pospishil, Eau Claire Memorial, UW Eau Claire
Carol Cayo, Lake Mills, Milwaukee School of Engineering
Jena Darwin, Menomonie, Dubuque
Joelle Domingos, Hortonville, Dubuque
Hannah Haugestuen, Barron, Dubuque
Kerry McDermott, Rio, Dubuque
Aimee Reyzer, Altoona, Dubuque
Heather Taylor (River Ridge) - University of Dubuque
Ashleigh Galligan, Campbellsport, Northland
Kristin Zimmer, Laona, Northland
Emily Romataski, Northland Pines, Ripon
Erin Lind- Ripon
Caitlyn Krenz- Marian
Katie Hackbart (Arrowhead) - St Norberts
Holly Schiedermeyer, Waupaca, Macalester
Kayla Solum, Somerset, St. Benedict
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 10, 2008, 11:54:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 10, 2008, 11:54:26 AM
Though I don't usually post the names of recruits until they have arrived and enrolled I'm making an exception because I'm certain that Whitewater High School's Megan Thuene will join the lady WARHAWKS next season. Thuene is an athletic player, an off guard/forward type and three point shooter who led the Whippets in scoring the past two seasons averaging approx 15 pts/game. She was also a member of Whitewater's D2 state champion relay teams. Seemingly a perfect fit for WHITEWATER'S style of play.
I'm also pretty certain that Whitewater's Leah Harms will be joining the LaCrosse Eagle program. Harms was also a member of the Whippet relay teams and is similar to Thuene in position though perhaps more of a guard. She averaged 12-13 points/game and is also very athletic.
I'm also pretty certain that Whitewater's Leah Harms will be joining the LaCrosse Eagle program. Harms was also a member of the Whippet relay teams and is similar to Thuene in position though perhaps more of a guard. She averaged 12-13 points/game and is also very athletic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 10, 2008, 08:26:39 PM
Post by: buf on June 10, 2008, 08:26:39 PM
UWEC's Recruits
Kaylee Cardinal (Hartland Arrowhead)- 5'9" 3rd Team All State.
Tessa Feyereisen (River Falls)- 5'9", 11pts, 1st Team All Big Rivers, 4th Team All Northwest
Jess Freagon (Chippewa Falls McDonell)- 5'10", Honorable Mention All Northwest
Brittni Hover (Clayton)- 5'7", career stats: 16.5pts, 7.7as, 6.5 rebs, 238 3-pointers. 3rd Team All Northwest.
Laura Olson (Osseo-Fairchild)- 5'5", 11.5pts, 2nd Team All Northwest
Ellen Plendl (Chippewa Falls McDonell)- 6'5", 12.8pts, Honorable Mention All Northwest
Katie Pospishil (Memorial)- 6'1", 14.6pts, 1st Team All Northwest, All State Honorable Mention
Seems like a pretty good class. I would probably have to say that Cardinal and Pospishil are at the top of this class, but who really knows what will happen at the collegiate level.
Kaylee Cardinal (Hartland Arrowhead)- 5'9" 3rd Team All State.
Tessa Feyereisen (River Falls)- 5'9", 11pts, 1st Team All Big Rivers, 4th Team All Northwest
Jess Freagon (Chippewa Falls McDonell)- 5'10", Honorable Mention All Northwest
Brittni Hover (Clayton)- 5'7", career stats: 16.5pts, 7.7as, 6.5 rebs, 238 3-pointers. 3rd Team All Northwest.
Laura Olson (Osseo-Fairchild)- 5'5", 11.5pts, 2nd Team All Northwest
Ellen Plendl (Chippewa Falls McDonell)- 6'5", 12.8pts, Honorable Mention All Northwest
Katie Pospishil (Memorial)- 6'1", 14.6pts, 1st Team All Northwest, All State Honorable Mention
Seems like a pretty good class. I would probably have to say that Cardinal and Pospishil are at the top of this class, but who really knows what will happen at the collegiate level.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 11, 2008, 04:41:58 PM
Post by: billys on June 11, 2008, 04:41:58 PM
Another very good class for Eau Claire.
Cardinal was a borderline scholarship player as I have been Pospishil potentially was as well.
Olson and Hover are nice players as well.
La Crosse has a TON of freshmen coming in from what I heard. Definitely some good players as well; not just a ton of bodies. Good for them; hopefully they can cement themselves in that top 5 with the other Big 4.
I've also heard rumors of a nice transfer or two for WW.
I'll be curious to see who UWSP added ... haven't heard much around the rumor mill on them
Cardinal was a borderline scholarship player as I have been Pospishil potentially was as well.
Olson and Hover are nice players as well.
La Crosse has a TON of freshmen coming in from what I heard. Definitely some good players as well; not just a ton of bodies. Good for them; hopefully they can cement themselves in that top 5 with the other Big 4.
I've also heard rumors of a nice transfer or two for WW.
I'll be curious to see who UWSP added ... haven't heard much around the rumor mill on them
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on June 24, 2008, 08:50:01 PM
Post by: bulk19 on June 24, 2008, 08:50:01 PM
The Stevens Point Journal today gives an update on Pointer recruits, for a team that graduated the most seniors - 6 - in Coach Egner's 19-year tenure there:
Those who have stated their intentions are:
Flambeau's 5'6" point guard Whitney Verdegan, a member of the D4 champs... and a Division 4 South team player in the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association All-Star game in Madison.
5'11" guard/forward Cassie Bandow of Stevens Point Pacelli, an All-Central Wisconsin Conference large division first team selection.
and Bay Port post player Myranda Hodgson, at 5'11".
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080624/SPJ02/806240633/1678
Those who have stated their intentions are:
Flambeau's 5'6" point guard Whitney Verdegan, a member of the D4 champs... and a Division 4 South team player in the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association All-Star game in Madison.
5'11" guard/forward Cassie Bandow of Stevens Point Pacelli, an All-Central Wisconsin Conference large division first team selection.
and Bay Port post player Myranda Hodgson, at 5'11".
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080624/SPJ02/806240633/1678
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 17, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
Post by: bulk19 on July 17, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
Congrats to the Lady Blugolds 2007-08 team for its off-the-court accomplishment; the team's 3.436 cumulative GPA ranked 12th in Women's Basketball Coaches Association Academic Top 25 Team Honor Roll (D3), as announced recently.
It's the second time the Blugolds have cracked the top 25 in the award's 11-year history... 2000-01 team GPA of 3.320 ranked 21st...
This year, Concordia University led the D3 pack with a 3.637 GPA...
It's the second time the Blugolds have cracked the top 25 in the award's 11-year history... 2000-01 team GPA of 3.320 ranked 21st...
This year, Concordia University led the D3 pack with a 3.637 GPA...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on August 06, 2008, 01:33:58 PM
Post by: bulk19 on August 06, 2008, 01:33:58 PM
According to recent NCAA report, the WIAC had two teams ranking in the top ten for home attendance average among 411 schools during the 2007-08 season - UWEC, 7th, and Stout, 10th.
The top 10, according to the report =
1. Howard Payne: 15 games, 23,234 fans, 1,549 average
2. Hope: 18 games, 19,930 fans, 1,107 average
3. Capital: 12 games, 11,145 fans, 928 average
4. New York University: 15 games, 12,992 fans, 866 average
5. Buena Vista: 14 games, 12,000 fans, 857 average
6. Messiah: 18 games, 14,923 fans, 829 average
7. UWEC: 14 games, 11,362 fans, 809 average
8. Louisiana College: 12 games, 8,496 fans, 708 average
9. Hardin-Simmons: 10 games, 6,884 fans, 688 average
10. Stout: 13 games, 8,837 fans, 679 average
As a whole, the WIAC ranked 4th in the country
1. Iowa Inter = 9 teams, 107 games, 51,403 fans, 480 average
2. American Southwest = 15 teams, 176 games, 83,470 fans, 474 average
3. Ohio AC = 10 teams, 130 games, 56,550 fans, 435 average
4. WIAC = 9 teams, 107 games, 46,143 fans, 431 average
5. Commonwealth = 6 teams, 75 games, 32,257 fans, 430 average
The report also indicates that, as a whole, the 411 teams in D3 drew 1,198,495 fans, a new record, over 5,010 games/sessions, an average of 239 per game...
The top 10, according to the report =
1. Howard Payne: 15 games, 23,234 fans, 1,549 average
2. Hope: 18 games, 19,930 fans, 1,107 average
3. Capital: 12 games, 11,145 fans, 928 average
4. New York University: 15 games, 12,992 fans, 866 average
5. Buena Vista: 14 games, 12,000 fans, 857 average
6. Messiah: 18 games, 14,923 fans, 829 average
7. UWEC: 14 games, 11,362 fans, 809 average
8. Louisiana College: 12 games, 8,496 fans, 708 average
9. Hardin-Simmons: 10 games, 6,884 fans, 688 average
10. Stout: 13 games, 8,837 fans, 679 average
As a whole, the WIAC ranked 4th in the country
1. Iowa Inter = 9 teams, 107 games, 51,403 fans, 480 average
2. American Southwest = 15 teams, 176 games, 83,470 fans, 474 average
3. Ohio AC = 10 teams, 130 games, 56,550 fans, 435 average
4. WIAC = 9 teams, 107 games, 46,143 fans, 431 average
5. Commonwealth = 6 teams, 75 games, 32,257 fans, 430 average
The report also indicates that, as a whole, the 411 teams in D3 drew 1,198,495 fans, a new record, over 5,010 games/sessions, an average of 239 per game...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 08, 2008, 01:13:57 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 08, 2008, 01:13:57 PM
Anyone have any predictions about how the WIAC will be predicted and actually finish this year? The SIDs predictions aren't always accurate, but usually aren't too far. Usually makes for a good debate :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 08, 2008, 11:22:25 PM
Post by: buf on October 08, 2008, 11:22:25 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on October 08, 2008, 01:13:57 PM
Anyone have any predictions about how the WIAC will be predicted and actually finish this year? The SIDs predictions aren't always accurate, but usually aren't too far. Usually makes for a good debate :)
I would have UWW as a clear favorite. After that there should be a few teams considered for 2nd place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 17, 2008, 02:19:02 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 17, 2008, 02:19:02 PM
Any word on pre-season rankings? I see that the Platteville and WW men are ranked in the top 10, but have not heard anything yet on the women's side. BW might be the person to answer this one since I am sure his Warhawks are up there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on October 27, 2008, 10:44:22 PM
Post by: buf on October 27, 2008, 10:44:22 PM
UWEC's Roster (http://www.uwec.edu/Athletics/wbkb/0809/roster.htm)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on October 28, 2008, 09:11:54 AM
Post by: jam8788 on October 28, 2008, 09:11:54 AM
Carollo was named Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Coach of the Year? For what, having a transfer dropped into her lap the year before? From 2002 through 2006 Carollo's teams go 11-14, 9-17, 14-12, and 12-14. Then Morton drops in and the team goes 19-7 and then 29-4 this past year. Are you sure that's good coaching?
Similarly, Oshkosh's Schuemacher came to the program for the 05-06 campaign and finished first in conference with 5 starting upperclassmen. Since then they've finished 8th and 6th in conference and have no seniors for the 08-09 campaign (there were 6 freshmen in 05-06, where'd they all go?).
Are both Carollo and Schuemacher examples of coaches that ride the backs of their great player(s)? Can they really develop strong programs or were (are) they lucky to have great players in the program?
Similarly, Oshkosh's Schuemacher came to the program for the 05-06 campaign and finished first in conference with 5 starting upperclassmen. Since then they've finished 8th and 6th in conference and have no seniors for the 08-09 campaign (there were 6 freshmen in 05-06, where'd they all go?).
Are both Carollo and Schuemacher examples of coaches that ride the backs of their great player(s)? Can they really develop strong programs or were (are) they lucky to have great players in the program?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 28, 2008, 11:03:33 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 28, 2008, 11:03:33 AM
I haven't seen any preseason rankings for DIII women. I google searched it today and couldn't find anything. This website's rankings will be released 10/30.
It helps when talent comes knocking on your door but Carollo can coach. It's taken her a while but if you had any idea of the deplorable condition of the program she inherited you'd probably have a greater appreciation of what she's accomplished. Plus both Morton and Hendrickson (two transfers) were recruited by Carollo but decided to try other places first. Obviously getting talented players is a coach's #1 priority but talent doesn't win by itself. A coach has to develop a system that the talent fits and get the players to buy into it. Carollo has deserved WIAC coach of the year honors for two years running now. The national honor was well deserved and WHITEWATER will be a program to contend with in the future when both of them are gone.
It helps when talent comes knocking on your door but Carollo can coach. It's taken her a while but if you had any idea of the deplorable condition of the program she inherited you'd probably have a greater appreciation of what she's accomplished. Plus both Morton and Hendrickson (two transfers) were recruited by Carollo but decided to try other places first. Obviously getting talented players is a coach's #1 priority but talent doesn't win by itself. A coach has to develop a system that the talent fits and get the players to buy into it. Carollo has deserved WIAC coach of the year honors for two years running now. The national honor was well deserved and WHITEWATER will be a program to contend with in the future when both of them are gone.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 30, 2008, 01:39:17 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 30, 2008, 01:39:17 PM
BW, I agree that talent alone doesn't win and I would hope Carollo would recruit two athletes such as Morton and Hendrickson when their high schools were so close to WW. There is a school in the WIAC who, imho, has as much talent as anyone but can never finish above 5th in the conference. And I could be wrong, but I do not think Carollo won the national coach of the year honor, just the Wisconsin Coach of the Year honor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2008, 09:38:43 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2008, 09:38:43 AM
You're correct about the Coach of the Year honor, my bad.
WARHAWK women rated preseason #1....http://d3hoops.com/top25/
While it's a testament to the job Carollo has done since the Julie Yaeger dark ages and it's well deserved it makes me uncomfortable and I'd prefer being ranked lower to begin with. The preseason ranking is so speculative and puts a target on your back.
WARHAWK women rated preseason #1....http://d3hoops.com/top25/
While it's a testament to the job Carollo has done since the Julie Yaeger dark ages and it's well deserved it makes me uncomfortable and I'd prefer being ranked lower to begin with. The preseason ranking is so speculative and puts a target on your back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on October 31, 2008, 12:16:46 PM
Post by: Barber Greene on October 31, 2008, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2008, 09:38:43 AM
You're correct about the Coach of the Year honor, my bad.
WARHAWK women rated preseason #1....http://d3hoops.com/top25/
While it's a testament to the job Carollo has done since the Julie Yaeger dark ages and it's well deserved it makes me uncomfortable and I'd prefer being ranked lower to begin with. The preseason ranking is so speculative and puts a target on your back.
Get tough or die Warhawks! Seriously, there are some benefits to having the target on your back. Having the opposing team bringing their best every night will make them battle tested.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2008, 01:05:16 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2008, 01:05:16 PM
I think it's a little different in basketball too. No one really expects the preseason #1 to go wire-to-wire like they often do in football. Especially in a league like the WIAC it's not really fair to think any can emerged completely unscathed (although it does happen occasionally).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 02, 2008, 09:57:55 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 02, 2008, 09:57:55 PM
Absolutely. I think the chances are pretty slim that WW will go through the whole season without a loss. If they didn't have to play teams like EC, SP, and Stout twice a year they would have a great chance. There is a reason why the WIAC is one of the top couple conferences in the nation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 04, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 04, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on October 28, 2008, 09:11:54 AM
Carollo was named Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Coach of the Year? For what, having a transfer dropped into her lap the year before? From 2002 through 2006 Carollo's teams go 11-14, 9-17, 14-12, and 12-14. Then Morton drops in and the team goes 19-7 and then 29-4 this past year. Are you sure that's good coaching?
That's good coaching and recruiting.
Do the math, 2007 was the first year that it was truly "her" team - all players were recruited by her - not the remnants of what was there before (remember that she wasn't recruiting anyone during the 2001 - 2002 season as she was the Asistant Coach at Stout during their 15 - 1 WIAC Championship season).
Carollo's worked very hard and has earned her recognition!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 04, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 04, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
jam8788 -
It's already been determined here by some posters that you basically give mulligans to a coach's WIAC record for his/her first four seasons, because it isn't truly "his/her" team until he/she only has players that he/she has recruited during his/her stint... ;)
It's already been determined here by some posters that you basically give mulligans to a coach's WIAC record for his/her first four seasons, because it isn't truly "his/her" team until he/she only has players that he/she has recruited during his/her stint... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 04, 2008, 10:40:20 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 04, 2008, 10:40:20 PM
Quote from: The Champ on November 04, 2008, 05:58:40 PMQuote from: jam8788 on October 28, 2008, 09:11:54 AM
Carollo was named Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Coach of the Year? For what, having a transfer dropped into her lap the year before? From 2002 through 2006 Carollo's teams go 11-14, 9-17, 14-12, and 12-14. Then Morton drops in and the team goes 19-7 and then 29-4 this past year. Are you sure that's good coaching?
That's good coaching and recruiting.
Do the math, 2007 was the first year that it was truly "her" team - all players were recruited by her - not the remnants of what was there before (remember that she wasn't recruiting anyone during the 2001 - 2002 season as she was the Asistant Coach at Stout during their 15 - 1 WIAC Championship season).
Carollo's worked very hard and has earned her recognition!
I understand they weren't "her" teams, but how come she went down in wins her second and fourth years. Shouldn't there be steady improvement each year when she recruits more players? Maybe a win in the WIAC tourny at least by her fourth year? Maybe at least a home WIAC tourny game? She never finished higher than 6th in conference her first four years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2008, 06:22:27 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2008, 06:22:27 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 04, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
It's already been determined here by some posters that you basically give mulligans to a coach's WIAC record for his/her first four seasons, because it isn't truly "his/her" team until he/she only has players that he/she has recruited during his/her stint... ;)
And some people give a coach all the credit for what happens once they get the position, regardless of the fact that their predecessor had run an extremely successful program.
Time to take off your blue and gold glasses for a change and stop spewing sour grapes about Tonja England not getting COY.... :'(
Carollo has made her program better than her predecessor, Englund has made her program worse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2008, 06:45:59 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2008, 06:45:59 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 04, 2008, 10:40:20 PMI understand they weren't "her" teams, but how come she went down in wins her second and fourth years. Shouldn't there be steady improvement each year when she recruits more players? Maybe a win in the WIAC tourny at least by her fourth year? Maybe at least a home WIAC tourny game? She never finished higher than 6th in conference her first four years.
If we operated in a vacuum, I might be better able to answer your questions... ;)
Carollo's WIAC Conference record (5 - 11) was the same in year 1 and year 2 as her predecessor's last season (and better than her predecessor's previous season WIAC record of 3 - 13), and went up to 7 - 9 in year 3 and down to 6 - 10 in year 4. So her 3rd and 4th year were both better than year's 1 and 2.
Why am I only including WIAC games?
1. Because I don't even want to try and figure out the strength of schedule for non conference games from past seasons.
2. Call me lazy... ;)
But I think we can all agree that the WIAC, year in and year out, is one of the most competitive conferences in DIII.
FWIW - BW watches more UWW WBB than any of us here. He says Carollo took over a program that was in "deploreable condition" and has turned it into one that is now the #1 ranked team (preseason) in the nation.
That's a pretty good job, IMHO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on November 05, 2008, 09:02:32 AM
Post by: buckets on November 05, 2008, 09:02:32 AM
Okay, I have been silent for a while. Let me chime in.
First of all, Carollo has turned their program around. No doubt about it. Was some of it luck? Yup! But the fact of the matter is that Whitewater is #1 in the Country. She has put together some solid recruits and the ranking speaks for itself.
My question, being a Oshy fan, is how long Schumacher will be allowed a pass in Titanland? Here is one of the historically best teams in the conference that she has run into the ground. Take a look at their roster year in and year out. How many players actually stick it out with her? Very few. Tough to win consistently when you have to replace kids that quit the team. That tells one of two things.
1) Recruiting kids that aren't mentally tough enough to stick out four years of college ball
2) Kids flat out don't like to play for her
I have heard stories about the latter but will cover my arse by saying it doesn't even matter. In either case, she is failing the program. How long will it continue? Does the admin have the cajones to send her back to the high school ranks? Is her past (player & high school coach) in town blinding everyone? What do you all think?
First of all, Carollo has turned their program around. No doubt about it. Was some of it luck? Yup! But the fact of the matter is that Whitewater is #1 in the Country. She has put together some solid recruits and the ranking speaks for itself.
My question, being a Oshy fan, is how long Schumacher will be allowed a pass in Titanland? Here is one of the historically best teams in the conference that she has run into the ground. Take a look at their roster year in and year out. How many players actually stick it out with her? Very few. Tough to win consistently when you have to replace kids that quit the team. That tells one of two things.
1) Recruiting kids that aren't mentally tough enough to stick out four years of college ball
2) Kids flat out don't like to play for her
I have heard stories about the latter but will cover my arse by saying it doesn't even matter. In either case, she is failing the program. How long will it continue? Does the admin have the cajones to send her back to the high school ranks? Is her past (player & high school coach) in town blinding everyone? What do you all think?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 05, 2008, 09:36:59 AM
Post by: jam8788 on November 05, 2008, 09:36:59 AM
Because the UWO AD is notorious for not pulling the trigger on dying coaches, I would bet that Schuemacher is a lifer at UWO. Just look at the men's side of the basketball program, currently undergoing a 5-year drought of not being able to get past the 2nd round in the WIAC tournament. The men's team is infamous for not being able to perform under pressure. And this year isn't looking a whole lot better either. I do have to admit that TVD had some good teams in 2002 and 2003 that went far in the NCAA tournament though. But how many years does an NCAA tournament berth buy a coach?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 05, 2008, 09:46:39 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 05, 2008, 09:46:39 AM
No doubt you have to have a little luck too. It was difficult for Carollo to recruit in the beginning because the program was in such poor shape. Good players want to play in a successfull program and our's was a far cry from that. Consequently it took some time for her to get the type of players she needed for her system and the skill level necessary to compete successfully in the WIAC. The first couple of years she wasn't really getting what she needed. That is a corner that I believe we have turned now.
Unable to find any willing opponents the WARHAWKS scrimmaged UW-Waukesha last night. They are generally considered the best program in the in the two year UW system. But they were small, lacked numbers and, as expected, WHITEWATER dominated all aspects of the scrimmage. I give them credit though and I would think the experience will make them a stronger team when they return to playing teams at their level. And I'm gratefull they were at least willing to accomadate us because despite everything it was beneficial for our players to finally play someone wearing a different uniform.
I don't really know much about the Oshkosh situation nor how long the administration is willing to go with Schumacher. Their lack of numbers was really surprising to me last year but I thought they improved as the season progressed and were a better team the second time around at least against us. Tyriver is an excellent player but she didn't have much help.
Unable to find any willing opponents the WARHAWKS scrimmaged UW-Waukesha last night. They are generally considered the best program in the in the two year UW system. But they were small, lacked numbers and, as expected, WHITEWATER dominated all aspects of the scrimmage. I give them credit though and I would think the experience will make them a stronger team when they return to playing teams at their level. And I'm gratefull they were at least willing to accomadate us because despite everything it was beneficial for our players to finally play someone wearing a different uniform.
I don't really know much about the Oshkosh situation nor how long the administration is willing to go with Schumacher. Their lack of numbers was really surprising to me last year but I thought they improved as the season progressed and were a better team the second time around at least against us. Tyriver is an excellent player but she didn't have much help.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 05, 2008, 12:17:04 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 05, 2008, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: The Champ on November 05, 2008, 06:22:27 AMQuote from: bulk19 on November 04, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
It's already been determined here by some posters that you basically give mulligans to a coach's WIAC record for his/her first four seasons, because it isn't truly "his/her" team until he/she only has players that he/she has recruited during his/her stint... ;)
And some people give a coach all the credit for what happens once they get the position, regardless of the fact that their predecessor had run an extremely successful program.
Time to take off your blue and gold glasses for a change and stop spewing sour grapes about Tonja England not getting COY.... :'(
Carollo has made her program better than her predecessor, Englund has made her program worse.
I think we have to take into consideration the programs. Saying Carollo made the program better when it was awful is one thing, but saying Englund has takin the program down is not fair. In her third season she was named National Coach of the Year. She can obviously coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 05, 2008, 01:02:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 05, 2008, 01:02:20 PM
It's a Champ/Stout, Englund/Eau Claire thing. ;D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 05, 2008, 06:54:31 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 05, 2008, 06:54:31 PM
Using the logic of Champ, then I guess he would think that all you Whitewater football fans here would think Lance Leipold should not get any credit for the success that team has had in the last two seasons, because he inherited all that talent! ;)
Sorry, but you play the hand you are dealt; a coaching record begins the moment his team plays its first game under his reign, regardless of who is playing on that team... And includes every game, not just divisional/conference records....
Sorry, but you play the hand you are dealt; a coaching record begins the moment his team plays its first game under his reign, regardless of who is playing on that team... And includes every game, not just divisional/conference records....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 05, 2008, 06:59:32 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 05, 2008, 06:59:32 PM
Champ - if you want to distort the record, fine with me... I will, however, correct it.
I never said Englund should have won COY, nor are there any sour grapes on my part; in fact, if you bother to check my previous posts, I've said Carollo deserved it.
I never said Englund should have won COY, nor are there any sour grapes on my part; in fact, if you bother to check my previous posts, I've said Carollo deserved it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
I have found out some changes in the schedule this year. One that almost everyone knows is that the women's games will be played 2nd this year during doubleheaders. This can be a big change since the players and coaches will have to get used to two different schedules. One game they can show up to the gym and get to warming up, while the other schedule is showing up and watching the men play. Could be tough to get used to.
The second change that I found is that instead of 8 teams making the WIAC tourny, only 6 will now make it. Also the men and women will play on the same nights, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, so there could be DHs in the tournament. This is in the WIAC handbook found online.
The second change that I found is that instead of 8 teams making the WIAC tourny, only 6 will now make it. Also the men and women will play on the same nights, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, so there could be DHs in the tournament. This is in the WIAC handbook found online.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 06, 2008, 08:27:10 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 06, 2008, 08:27:10 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 05, 2008, 12:17:04 PMI think we have to take into consideration the programs. Saying Carollo made the program better when it was awful is one thing, but saying Englund has takin the program down is not fair. In her third season she was named National Coach of the Year. She can obviously coach.
Carollo has made the UWW program better.
Lisa Stone had a career .824 winning percentage in 12 seasons at UWEC. She always had a winning program in the WIAC. Her last 4 seasons at UWEC she was 55 - 9 in WIAC play, including 16 - 0 in her last season.
She led UWEC to 6 of their 9 WWIAC/WIAC and 11 (yes, that's 11 out of 12 years) of UWEC's 14 NCAA Tournament appearances.
On UWEC's website it states that UWEC has 21 consecutive non losing seasons. FWIW, when Tonja inherited this program it from Stone it was a streak of consecutive winning seasons.
On their website it also brags about 20+ wins in 15 of the last 20 seasons. Lisa Stone had 11 of those 20+ seasons. Guess who has the other 4?
The quality of the program that Tonja inherited was amazing. What she has done with it in her tenure at UWEC is not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 06, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 06, 2008, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 05, 2008, 01:02:20 PM
It's a Champ/Stout, Englund/Eau Claire thing. ;D ;)
I don't think I've mentioned anything about Stout in quite awhile her BW. I distinctly remember my posts being in support of the UWW WBB coach... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 06, 2008, 09:11:53 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 06, 2008, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 05, 2008, 06:59:32 PM
Champ - if you want to distort the record, fine with me... I will, however, correct it.
I never said Englund should have won COY, nor are there any sour grapes on my part; in fact, if you bother to check my previous posts, I've said Carollo deserved it.
Did you?
The topic was "Carollo was named Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Coach of the Year.".
Can you please show me where you posted on this forum that Carollo deserved THAT honor?
You can't, because you never did.
I guess those grapes aren't sour anymore - they are rotten now...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 06, 2008, 09:50:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 06, 2008, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
The second change that I found is that instead of 8 teams making the WIAC tourny, only 6 will now make it. Also the men and women will play on the same nights, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, so there could be DHs in the tournament. This is in the WIAC handbook found online.
Are the #1 and #2 seeds getting a bye? That's the only way that six makes sense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 10:33:04 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 10:33:04 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 06, 2008, 09:50:23 AM
Are the #1 and #2 seeds getting a bye? That's the only way that six makes sense.
Yes, the top 2 seeds will get a bye. Another interesting thing is that they will re-seed after the first round games. This will give the top seed the easiest road to the finals. If I am reading the rules correctly, this will operate just like the NFL playoffs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 06, 2008, 12:22:55 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 06, 2008, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 12:44:39 AM
The second change that I found is that instead of 8 teams making the WIAC tourny, only 6 will now make it. Also the men and women will play on the same nights, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, so there could be DHs in the tournament. This is in the WIAC handbook found online.
Can you provide a link to that handbook? I haven't been able to find it on the WIAC site. Thanks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 12:47:23 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 12:47:23 PM
Yup, here it is http://www.wiacsports.com/handbook/index.html . After you go to the site, I just clicked on Post-season Basketball Tournament Handbook. I hope I helped!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 06, 2008, 10:24:25 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 06, 2008, 10:24:25 PM
Champ -
I posted on here that I thought Carollo deserved the WIAC COY Award after last season.
I never weighed in on the WBCA Award, so why would you assume there would be sour grapes? One could, however, logically conclude that I agree she'd deserved the WBCA one, too, since the competion for that award is the D2/D3 women's coaches combined.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one D2 school - Parkside - that would have been considered along with the D3 coaches... So I've given Carollo her credit, but if you want to keep taking cheap shots, that's fine...
By the way, for those who are not familiar with the WBCA Award, Carollo was not the only one honored; high school boys/girls/assistants and collegiate men's (UWP's Combs and UWW's Miller) and women's are also recognized (at the D1 level, too).
I posted on here that I thought Carollo deserved the WIAC COY Award after last season.
I never weighed in on the WBCA Award, so why would you assume there would be sour grapes? One could, however, logically conclude that I agree she'd deserved the WBCA one, too, since the competion for that award is the D2/D3 women's coaches combined.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one D2 school - Parkside - that would have been considered along with the D3 coaches... So I've given Carollo her credit, but if you want to keep taking cheap shots, that's fine...
By the way, for those who are not familiar with the WBCA Award, Carollo was not the only one honored; high school boys/girls/assistants and collegiate men's (UWP's Combs and UWW's Miller) and women's are also recognized (at the D1 level, too).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 07, 2008, 07:59:39 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 07, 2008, 07:59:39 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 06, 2008, 10:24:25 PM
I never weighed in on the WBCA Award, so why would you assume there would be sour grapes?
So, you agree that you lied when you posted " in fact, if you bother to check my previous posts, I've said Carollo deserved it.".
The fact that you lied about it, only confirms the stench of sour rotting grapes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 07, 2008, 08:55:55 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 07, 2008, 08:55:55 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 06, 2008, 10:33:04 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on November 06, 2008, 09:50:23 AM
Are the #1 and #2 seeds getting a bye? That's the only way that six makes sense.
Yes, the top 2 seeds will get a bye. Another interesting thing is that they will re-seed after the first round games. This will give the top seed the easiest road to the finals. If I am reading the rules correctly, this will operate just like the NFL playoffs.
Boy, that sure makes being the #1 or 2 seed pretty important!
Getting the first round bye to rest up and prepare for the second round is a huge advantage. Almost keeps those two teams on the normal Wednesday/Saturday schedule!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 07, 2008, 09:30:27 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 07, 2008, 09:30:27 AM
WARHAWK women tabbed preseason favorite in meaningless poll of SIDs.
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/0809Preview.html
I guess this was pretty much expected.
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/0809Preview.html
I guess this was pretty much expected.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 07, 2008, 04:27:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 07, 2008, 04:27:47 PM
I like the postseason tournament change. Give your #1 and #2 the best possible chance to make the NCAAs. I think it gives the WIAC a better opportunity to get mulitple teams in the NCAA field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 07, 2008, 04:42:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 07, 2008, 04:42:38 PM
Congrats to WARHAWKS Tiffany Morton (2nd team) and Kelsey Hendrickson (4th team) and to BlueDevil Julia Hirssig (3rd team) D3hoops.com preseason All Americans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on November 07, 2008, 08:58:38 PM
Post by: cubs on November 07, 2008, 08:58:38 PM
I notcied Arin Lane is back on the UWO roster after a one year hiatus. Anyone know the story here? Was she injured last season, or is it something else?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 07, 2008, 11:32:46 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 07, 2008, 11:32:46 PM
The doubleheaders are a pain in the behind for the team that has to hurry up and wait for the second game to begin...
Champ slides in a cheap shot -
Time to take off your blue and gold glasses for a change and stop spewing sour grapes about Tonja England not getting COY.... - in a post about giving coaches mulligans the first four years...
The only time Coach Englund's name came up regarding any COY award was the WIAC COY... That's what I responded to in your post, since that's the only context in which her name has been used... Her name was not even mentioned on here regarding the WBCA award; you were making a big ASSumption about my thoughts, since I hadn't mentioned them, and didn't have sour grapes, neither.
As I said on March 13 and March 20, Carollo got my vote for the WIAC COY Award. As I pointed out in my previous post, that thought would hold true for the WBCA award, too, which is the first time I commented on that award.
So, therefore, no lies, but more attacks from you. Ha.
Champ slides in a cheap shot -
Time to take off your blue and gold glasses for a change and stop spewing sour grapes about Tonja England not getting COY.... - in a post about giving coaches mulligans the first four years...
The only time Coach Englund's name came up regarding any COY award was the WIAC COY... That's what I responded to in your post, since that's the only context in which her name has been used... Her name was not even mentioned on here regarding the WBCA award; you were making a big ASSumption about my thoughts, since I hadn't mentioned them, and didn't have sour grapes, neither.
As I said on March 13 and March 20, Carollo got my vote for the WIAC COY Award. As I pointed out in my previous post, that thought would hold true for the WBCA award, too, which is the first time I commented on that award.
So, therefore, no lies, but more attacks from you. Ha.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 08, 2008, 07:24:10 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 08, 2008, 07:24:10 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 07, 2008, 11:32:46 PMChamp slides in a cheap shot...
I think I need to borrow a few words from Shakespeare.... "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."... :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 08, 2008, 09:21:48 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 08, 2008, 09:21:48 AM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 08, 2008, 04:20:27 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 08, 2008, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on November 08, 2008, 09:21:48 AM
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Sorry, janesvilleflash; yes this is old stuff, but Champ seems to drag my name into discussions because of his vitrol and animosity toward UWEC and its coach...
I should know better than to take his bait and not fall for his tricks of trying to have the last word, without allowing me to respond, but if Champ wants to continue with his cheap shots and level personal attacks at me, by incorrectly calling me a liar on a public forum, I will always be compelled to respond to such libelous remarks, which have been proven false.
Champ - Not protesting, but rather correcting the record, yet again...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 09, 2008, 08:40:08 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 09, 2008, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on November 08, 2008, 04:20:27 PM
Sorry, janesvilleflash; yes this is old stuff, but Champ seems to drag my name into discussions because of his vitrol and animosity toward UWEC and its coach...
Let's really correct the record.
I posted this on page 168:
QuoteThat's good coaching and recruiting.
Do the math, 2007 was the first year that it was truly "her" team - all players were recruited by her - not the remnants of what was there before (remember that she wasn't recruiting anyone during the 2001 - 2002 season as she was the Asistant Coach at Stout during their 15 - 1 WIAC Championship season).
Carollo's worked very hard and has earned her recognition!
Now where in that post is there ANY mention of UWEC, Tonja Englund or you?
And YOU, who hadn't even posted on this forum in months, responded to a post praising Carollo with this:
QuoteIt's already been determined here by some posters that you basically give mulligans to a coach's WIAC record for his/her first four seasons, because it isn't truly "his/her" team until he/she only has players that he/she has recruited during his/her stint...
What did this have to do with Carollo, other than a thinly veiled attempt to discredit her and me? Talk about a cheap shot post...
Quote from: bulk19 on November 08, 2008, 04:20:27 PM
I should know better than to take his bait and not fall for his tricks of trying to have the last word, without allowing me to respond, but if Champ wants to continue with his cheap shots and level personal attacks at me, by incorrectly calling me a liar on a public forum, I will always be compelled to respond to such libelous remarks, which have been proven false.
Champ - Not protesting, but rather correcting the record, yet again.
If anyone took the bait, it was me.
And you can't even be honest enought to admit you started this crap.
It really is blatantly obvious that when I posted, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks.", I was right, yet again.
Don't start what you can't finish (without lying).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 10, 2008, 01:35:30 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 10, 2008, 01:35:30 PM
Any word on the scrimmages?
I hear River Falls did not do very well yesterday at the Kohl Center.
I hear River Falls did not do very well yesterday at the Kohl Center.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
The Lady Falcon was plucked 71-38.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 11, 2008, 12:18:35 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 11, 2008, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
The Lady Falcon was plucked 71-38.
Down 20-0 to start the game, I would say that counts as a getting "plucked". :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on November 11, 2008, 08:00:26 PM
Post by: OshDude on November 11, 2008, 08:00:26 PM
If anyone's interested in the D-III regional volleyball tournaments, I have a fairly extensive blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) that covers the St. Thomas (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/st-thomas-regional-guide/) (where EC and LC will be) and Oshkosh (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/oshkosh-regional-guide/) (where UWO and WW will be) regionals. It's not bad in national terms, either. Stop by and tell me what you think.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 11, 2008, 10:40:16 PM
Post by: buf on November 11, 2008, 10:40:16 PM
Quote from: OshDude on November 11, 2008, 08:00:26 PM
If anyone's interested in the D-III regional volleyball tournaments, I have a fairly extensive blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) that covers the St. Thomas (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/st-thomas-regional-guide/) (where EC and LC will be) and Oshkosh (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/oshkosh-regional-guide/) (where UWO and WW will be) regionals. It's not bad in national terms, either. Stop by and tell me what you think.
Pretty sweet site OshDude. Lots of good info. Lets cheer on the WIAC teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 12, 2008, 09:07:34 AM
Post by: jam8788 on November 12, 2008, 09:07:34 AM
Point rocked St. Norbert on Saturday. Sounds like they were out for revenge after Norberts stunned them in the NCAA Tournament last season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 12, 2008, 09:38:18 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 12, 2008, 09:38:18 AM
I'd rather they would have won the NCAA Tournament game and got crushed in the scrimmage, but oh well. I'm moving on to a new year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 13, 2008, 08:07:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 13, 2008, 08:07:38 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 12, 2008, 09:38:18 AM
I'd rather they would have won the NCAA Tournament game and got crushed in the scrimmage....
Ain't that the truth...
A win in a meaningless scrimmage isn't revenge. Now if the two should square off in this year's NCAA Tourney, that would be revenge!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 15, 2008, 06:14:03 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 15, 2008, 06:14:03 PM
Superior women beat St Scholastica today. I hesitate to make any predictions when I have no idea what kind of team St S is supposed to have. I hope the 'Jackets can win some conference games. I'd think they might have a chance if they could muzzle the coach; he's pretty annoying.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 07:28:01 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 07:28:01 PM
UWO down 13-0, 5min into the game. So far they have only attempted 2 shots and have 8 turnovers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 07:35:49 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 07:35:49 PM
now UWO is down 21-0, 8min in. They are now up to 3 shots attempted and 12 turnovers. On top of that, Pugh picked up 3 fouls within a 20 second span.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 07:37:34 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 07:37:34 PM
23-0, 10 min in. 4 shots, 15 turnovers. this is incredible! As I type, UWO is now on the board, 23-2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 15, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 15, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
Stout up 43 - 33 at the half.
Julia Hirssig leads the scoring with 19 points (6 of 7 from the floor and 7 of 8 from the FT line) and also leads with 6 rebounds.
Charlee Edwards is 4 of 4 from the floor with one 3 pointer for 9 points.
Julia Hirssig leads the scoring with 19 points (6 of 7 from the floor and 7 of 8 from the FT line) and also leads with 6 rebounds.
Charlee Edwards is 4 of 4 from the floor with one 3 pointer for 9 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 15, 2008, 07:48:53 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 15, 2008, 07:48:53 PM
UWO is playing St Cloud? DII? Stout played them a couple years and generally got pushed around pretty well. They had a BIG girl from Duluth(?) on the team. First couple of minutes is just shell-shock
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 08:12:50 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 15, 2008, 07:48:53 PM
UWO is playing St Cloud? DII? Stout played them a couple years and generally got pushed around pretty well. They had a BIG girl from Duluth(?) on the team. First couple of minutes is just shell-shock
Yes, I believe that they are D2. Stout lost to them by 15 last year and UWEC beat them by 8, also last season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 08:21:21 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2008, 08:21:21 PM
Oh no, it looks like the start of the first half for UWO. St. Cloud comes out of halftime going on a 12-0 run in the first 3 minutes and leads by 38.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 15, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 15, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
Final score is 87 - 70 for Stout over North Central at the St. Norbert's Tourney...
Hirssig sees limited action in the second half - score 4 points and adds 3 boards.
Edwards stays hot and adds 7 points and 4 boards in the second half.
Everybody plays, most everyone scores for Stout.
Stout is +8 on steals and turnovers.
NC only attempted two 3 pointers, and missed both. Stout was 4 - 19 from three point land.
Hirssig sees limited action in the second half - score 4 points and adds 3 boards.
Edwards stays hot and adds 7 points and 4 boards in the second half.
Everybody plays, most everyone scores for Stout.
Stout is +8 on steals and turnovers.
NC only attempted two 3 pointers, and missed both. Stout was 4 - 19 from three point land.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 16, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 16, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
St Norbert giving Stout everything they can handle. Hirssig comes up big, though, for a second game. Keep her healthy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 16, 2008, 06:11:54 PM
Post by: buf on November 16, 2008, 06:11:54 PM
Stout loses 76-71
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on November 17, 2008, 12:32:11 AM
Post by: OshDude on November 17, 2008, 12:32:11 AM
Any volleyball fans? I posted on my blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) a Nationals Guide similar to the ones I did for the St. Thomas and Oshkosh regionals. Check it out if you're interested in Oshkosh and/or D-III VB.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2008, 08:14:10 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2008, 08:14:10 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 16, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
St Norbert giving Stout everything they can handle. Hirssig comes up big, though, for a second game. Keep her healthy.
You can say that again about keeping Julia healthy.
Stout is already missing Dani Boese and Trish VanVrede - two of their veteran tall (6'1" and 6'0" respectively) girls to injury.
Looks like DeWitt is picking up most of the work that those two would be getting, and doing a very nice job!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 17, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 17, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
Trisha played. When did she get hurt?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2008, 09:23:33 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2008, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 17, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
Trisha played. When did she get hurt?
I must be confused... ??? Coach T had told me that someone besides Dani had injury problems a few weeks back. Either it was someone else, or Trish recuperated much faster than T expected.
Sorry for the confusion.... :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2008, 10:29:23 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2008, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: OshDude on November 17, 2008, 12:32:11 AM
Any volleyball fans? I posted on my blog (http://uwoshvball.wordpress.com/) a Nationals Guide similar to the ones I did for the St. Thomas and Oshkosh regionals. Check it out if you're interested in Oshkosh and/or D-III VB.
Go UWO volleyball! Too bad that neither UWEC or UWL advanced to join UWO at nationals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 18, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 18, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Trisha VV has been wearing a boot, but I think she's been playing right along. Practicing a little less energetically, perhaps.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 18, 2008, 02:58:50 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 18, 2008, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 18, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Trisha VV has been wearing a boot, but I think she's been playing right along. Practicing a little less energetically, perhaps.
That must be the case. At the time of the injury, I think T thought she'd be out for for an extended period the last time we talked.
Considering I used to see T in person several times a week (if not daily) - it's sure different when I live over 100 miles away.
Mrs. Champ and I will be heading over for both days of the Stout Tourney the end of the month - it'll be the first time we've seen him since his last dirt race of the year in September...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 18, 2008, 09:37:11 PM
Post by: buf on November 18, 2008, 09:37:11 PM
UWO off to a slow start on the season. They drop to 0-2 with a loss at home against Ripon, 70-53.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Post by: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Slow start my arse! I for one have had enough of Schumacher. How long will she get a free pass because she won her first season WITH PAM RUDER'S PLAYERS?!?!?!
Read this article:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20081119/OSH0201/811190563/1148/OSH02
Okay, if you didn't feel like cutting and pasting, let me give you the gist: blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, someting trite about stepping up, blah, blah, blah.
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Read this article:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20081119/OSH0201/811190563/1148/OSH02
Okay, if you didn't feel like cutting and pasting, let me give you the gist: blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, someting trite about stepping up, blah, blah, blah.
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
I liked the part where she said, "we may not win another game." Ah, coach, I hate to be the one to point it out but you haven't won one yet let alone going for another. With Tyriver gone they're really struggling to score points.
The LADY WARHAWKS will finally open their season this Friday in the Ripon College tournament. We'll play Concordia (Mequon) on Friday and then square off against Ripon on Saturday.
The LADY WARHAWKS will finally open their season this Friday in the Ripon College tournament. We'll play Concordia (Mequon) on Friday and then square off against Ripon on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 19, 2008, 03:44:46 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 19, 2008, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Slow start my arse! I for one have had enough of Schumacher. How long will she get a free pass because she won her first season WITH PAM RUDER'S PLAYERS?!?!?!
Read this article:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20081119/OSH0201/811190563/1148/OSH02
Okay, if you didn't feel like cutting and pasting, let me give you the gist: blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, someting trite about stepping up, blah, blah, blah.
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Lets be fair here. The cupboard was not exactly full when she arrived. She was blessed with five solid players when she arrived, but not much for a bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 19, 2008, 04:33:34 PM
Post by: jam8788 on November 19, 2008, 04:33:34 PM
I can't remember the last time I read an article where a coach ripped on the players so badly. If she has issues with her players, shouldn't she be keeping them within the team and not voice her opinions to the media?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on November 19, 2008, 09:26:38 PM
Post by: buckets on November 19, 2008, 09:26:38 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 19, 2008, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Slow start my arse! I for one have had enough of Schumacher. How long will she get a free pass because she won her first season WITH PAM RUDER'S PLAYERS?!?!?!
Read this article:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20081119/OSH0201/811190563/1148/OSH02
Okay, if you didn't feel like cutting and pasting, let me give you the gist: blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, someting trite about stepping up, blah, blah, blah.
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Lets be fair here. The cupboard was not exactly full when she arrived. She was blessed with five solid players when she arrived, but not much for a bench.
But then she should've had a down year, maybe two until her recruits matured and were ready to play. Instead, what has happened? Her players the ones that SHE recruits won't stick around to play for her because either they can't hack it or they can't stand to play for her. In either case, she is ruining this once proud program.
I don't have the time nor the ambition to look this up, but doesn't it seem like she has lost a lot of upperclassmen? She rails on her kids for not having the guts to step up (in the paper, mind you!) but yet somehow her recruits dissapear after a season or two. There are a couple of high potential kids that are walking around that campus but have chosen to not stick with the program. Again, either poor recruiting or poor retention. In either case, poor coaching.
Sorry, I will take a few deep breaths and chill out!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2008, 09:40:49 PM
Post by: buf on November 19, 2008, 09:40:49 PM
I thought UWO may be a bit better this season. I knew losing Tyriver would be huge. But I thought that with a bunch of players returning with a year under their belt that they would be better then they are playing now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2008, 10:08:07 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2008, 10:08:07 PM
QuoteBut I thought that with a bunch of players returning with a year under their belt that they would be better then they are playing now.Should probably wait until we get deeper than one game in to sink the season.
U of Dubuque, Mark Noll's team, did themselves proud against UW-Milwaukee. They'll be fun to watch.
Krystal Parr, from Bloomer, is playing there with another Bloomer grad. Wasn't Parr the player that was a mystery as to whether she was going to play at River Falls or...someplace else. Being too lazy to look back a through a couple years of posts, I'll rely on other poster's highly reliable memories.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 20, 2008, 12:30:32 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 20, 2008, 12:30:32 AM
Quote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 09:26:38 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 19, 2008, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Lets be fair here. The cupboard was not exactly full when she arrived. She was blessed with five solid players when she arrived, but not much for a bench.
But then she should've had a down year, maybe two until her recruits matured and were ready to play. Instead, what has happened? Her players the ones that SHE recruits won't stick around to play for her because either they can't hack it or they can't stand to play for her. In either case, she is ruining this once proud program.
I don't have the time nor the ambition to look this up, but doesn't it seem like she has lost a lot of upperclassmen? She rails on her kids for not having the guts to step up (in the paper, mind you!) but yet somehow her recruits dissapear after a season or two. There are a couple of high potential kids that are walking around that campus but have chosen to not stick with the program. Again, either poor recruiting or poor retention. In either case, poor coaching.
Sorry, I will take a few deep breaths and chill out!!!!
I think this is her fourth year. That means that she has three recruiting classes in her tenure that are currently playing for her. It could not have been easy recruiting that first year because I heard that even though they were winning, that program had some underlying issues. The team is pretty young, but you have to be worried when the team isn't competing. I don't know what to think about Oshkosh.
I think its fair to say that Terri knows basketball. She was a great player and was great coaching high school in the six years before becoming the Titans coach. Hopefully she can turn it around.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on November 20, 2008, 12:47:37 AM
Post by: buckets on November 20, 2008, 12:47:37 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2008, 10:08:07 PM
Should probably wait until we get deeper than one game in to sink the season.
U of Dubuque, Mark Noll's team, did themselves proud against UW-Milwaukee. They'll be fun to watch.
I agree, but somebody aughta tell Coach that, too!!!
Vegas has their over-under at three conference wins. I'll take the under!
As for her prestigious coaching career... Let's examine her record prior to the Onson and Tyriver years at West: From 1993-2000 her record at West: 17-113. She was a bit more successfull at Plymouth: 69-44. So, aside from the hooplah surrounding her success at West her last few years (yes, they were good!!!) her coaching record is 86-157. So for the first "half" of her career she had a winning percentage of .35. The second "half" of her career is an astonishing .78.
The argument? That it takes time to build hs programs - right. I understand. But it should (theoretically) take less than that at the collegiate level because of the recruiting process. But so many of her kids quit! Does she go after the mental midgets? Or is she that difficult to play for? EITHER WAY, IT IS KILLING THIS ONCE PROUD PROGRAM!
Sorry, I typed that last part with my fists!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 20, 2008, 07:28:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 20, 2008, 07:28:41 AM
I realize that this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay early in the season, but look at the standings.... :o :o
WIAC Standings (Through 11/18)
Superior 2-0
Platteville 1-0
River Falls 1-0
Stout 1-1
Eau Claire 0-0
La Crosse 0-0
Stevens Point 0-0
Whitewater 0-0
Oshkosh 0-2
Anybody know when the last time (if ever) that Superior was sitting atop the standings by themselves??? ???
WIAC Standings (Through 11/18)
Superior 2-0
Platteville 1-0
River Falls 1-0
Stout 1-1
Eau Claire 0-0
La Crosse 0-0
Stevens Point 0-0
Whitewater 0-0
Oshkosh 0-2
Anybody know when the last time (if ever) that Superior was sitting atop the standings by themselves??? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2008, 10:08:45 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2008, 10:08:45 AM
Likely never, but this doesn't really count since we're only talking about non-conference games. You can't really be leading the conference until you play some conference games. Especially when 4 teams, including two of the best ones haven't even played yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on November 20, 2008, 11:07:25 AM
Post by: gottaluvhoops on November 20, 2008, 11:07:25 AM
Sounds like Oshkosh is off to a rough start. Any other information on the team? I am going to try and head down to the Wartburg Tournament this weekend (if my wife let's me :) ). I live in Southern MN so it's not a bad drive down to catch two games on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on November 20, 2008, 11:36:44 AM
Post by: stoutguy on November 20, 2008, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Slow start my arse! I for one have had enough of Schumacher. How long will she get a free pass because she won her first season WITH PAM RUDER'S PLAYERS?!?!?!
Read this article:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20081119/OSH0201/811190563/1148/OSH02
Okay, if you didn't feel like cutting and pasting, let me give you the gist: blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, someting trite about stepping up, blah, blah, blah.
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Boy, I read this article and all I could think of is the coaches who have been successful over the years are always quick to blame themselves when things are not going well and slow to blame players (especially in the media). By the sound of this one, "the epitome of mediocrity" is probably being overly optimistic for this program. She needs to take a chill pill and then maybe take a quick look in the mirror for some things that need to change.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 20, 2008, 12:29:29 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 20, 2008, 12:29:29 PM
QuoteWIAC Standings (Through 11/18)
Superior 2-0
Platteville 1-0
River Falls 1-0
Stout 1-1
Eau Claire 0-0
La Crosse 0-0
Stevens Point 0-0
Whitewater 0-0
Oshkosh 0-2
Anybody know when the last time (if ever) that Superior was sitting atop the standings by themselves???
Should probably wait until we get deeper...wait, I already said that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 20, 2008, 07:15:49 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 20, 2008, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 20, 2008, 10:08:45 AM
Likely never, but this doesn't really count since we're only talking about non-conference games. You can't really be leading the conference until you play some conference games. Especially when 4 teams, including two of the best ones haven't even played yet.
I understand what you're saying there.
But it's the WIAC that published the "standings" that I copied and pasted here, which must mean the WIAC officials they have some meaing.
I guess the point of my comment was just the simple fact that Superior is 2 - 0. There have been seasons THIS decade when Superior hasn't won more than 2 games all season (conference or non conference.
Regardless of what the other teams have done, Superior being 2 - 0 is something for them to be happy about. And from what has been posted here, UWO doesn't seem to be too happy about being 0 - 2, and they shouldn't be.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2008, 10:39:17 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2008, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2008, 10:08:07 PMQuoteBut I thought that with a bunch of players returning with a year under their belt that they would be better then they are playing now.Should probably wait until we get deeper than one game in to sink the season.
U of Dubuque, Mark Noll's team, did themselves proud against UW-Milwaukee. They'll be fun to watch.
Krystal Parr, from Bloomer, is playing there with another Bloomer grad. Wasn't Parr the player that was a mystery as to whether she was going to play at River Falls or...someplace else. Being too lazy to look back a through a couple years of posts, I'll rely on other poster's highly reliable memories.
I think Parr did play at River Falls for a season or two.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 21, 2008, 11:07:58 PM
Post by: buf on November 21, 2008, 11:07:58 PM
UWEC wins at Ripon, 64-43. UWW is also playing there. I believe they won by about 9, although I can't confirm that
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 22, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 22, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
In other WIAC action:
River Falls falls to Judson 53 - 49
Point blows out MSOE 71 - 34
LaCrosse chops down Bemidji 87 - 73
Platteville loses to Dallas 78 - 64
Whitewater Defeats Concordia 67-59
And Superior loses for the first time this season to Alverno, 54 - 47.
River Falls falls to Judson 53 - 49
Point blows out MSOE 71 - 34
LaCrosse chops down Bemidji 87 - 73
Platteville loses to Dallas 78 - 64
Whitewater Defeats Concordia 67-59
And Superior loses for the first time this season to Alverno, 54 - 47.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2008, 09:59:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2008, 09:59:47 AM
Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with her fourteenth double-double 25 points, 15 rebounds. Dana Thompson added 10 points and 5 rebounds and Kelsey Hendrickson had 5 assists and 4 steals. The WARHAWKS had a ugly 25 turnovers.
WHITEWATER will take on tournament host Ripon tonight.
WHITEWATER will take on tournament host Ripon tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 22, 2008, 11:42:04 PM
Post by: buf on November 22, 2008, 11:42:04 PM
Both EC and UWW win at Ripon today.
UWO gets its first win.
UWL goes down to a D2 opponent a day after defeating a D2 opponent.
UWP wins down in Texas.
Point wins its tourney over Viterbo. Britta Peterson goes 9-9 from the floor and earns MVP award.
UWO gets its first win.
UWL goes down to a D2 opponent a day after defeating a D2 opponent.
UWP wins down in Texas.
Point wins its tourney over Viterbo. Britta Peterson goes 9-9 from the floor and earns MVP award.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 23, 2008, 10:40:49 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 23, 2008, 10:40:49 AM
In the other games yesterday, River Falls downs North Central 84 - 17.... :o and Superior falls to Dubuque 81 - 67.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2008, 12:06:18 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2008, 12:06:18 PM
The Lady WARHAWKS didn't play particularly well in the first half and were tied 34-34 with Ripon at the buzzer but played a little better in the second one and came home with a 75-66 victory. Tiffany Morton took over in the second half and finished with 18 points and 13 rebounds to record her 15th career double-double and move into second place in the school record book. Freshman Megan Theune (ex-Whitewater HS Whippet) came off the bench to score 13 points and both Kelsey Hendrickson and Heidi Sontage scored in double figures with 10 points apiece. Behind Morton the WARHAWKS dominated the boards with a 46-29 edge including 18 offensive rebounds.
We'll finally open the home portion of our season vs. Edgewood tomorrow night.
We'll finally open the home portion of our season vs. Edgewood tomorrow night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2008, 02:32:49 PM
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2008, 02:32:49 PM
Interesting Weekend at Ripon:
eau calire over ripon 64-43 (by 21 points)
Whitewater over ripon 75-66 (by 9 points)
eau clair over concordia 69-47 (by 22 points)
Whitwater over concordia 67 59 (by 8 points)
Neither team went deep into the bench.
Whitewaters defense is no longer ferocious. Thier whole game focuses on Morton. Stop Morton/stop whitewater. Do the Warhaks miss Lindsey Buechner. Absolutely. She was the dynamic and glue that made them so good last year.
eau calire over ripon 64-43 (by 21 points)
Whitewater over ripon 75-66 (by 9 points)
eau clair over concordia 69-47 (by 22 points)
Whitwater over concordia 67 59 (by 8 points)
Neither team went deep into the bench.
Whitewaters defense is no longer ferocious. Thier whole game focuses on Morton. Stop Morton/stop whitewater. Do the Warhaks miss Lindsey Buechner. Absolutely. She was the dynamic and glue that made them so good last year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: The Champ on November 22, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
And Superior loses for the first time this season to Alverno, 54 - 47.
I'll wager this result says more about Superior than their 2-0 start did.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 23, 2008, 03:46:39 PMQuote from: The Champ on November 22, 2008, 08:02:55 AM
And Superior loses for the first time this season to Alverno, 54 - 47.
I'll wager this result says more about Superior than their 2-0 start did.
It probably does, Bill.
But none the less, I'm sure that for the players, coaches and the fans, a 2 - 0 start was a great feeling.
It may have been a simple moral victory, but for a program that has been so bad for so long, you take what you can get.
I was happy to see them start the year with two wins!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 24, 2008, 09:51:56 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 24, 2008, 09:51:56 AM
Superior women don't do all that badly outside the conference, and until two years ago(?) they had beaten River Falls a couple times for a couple of years. However, I agree, the losses this past weekend probably do represent them better than the 2-0 start. I watched them play CSS, a team that beat them twice last year, as i recall, and I thought they looked much better than last year. They have some decent players who, if allowed to play, might improve the season record. They have to muzzle Mulhern, though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 25, 2008, 12:03:29 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 25, 2008, 12:03:29 AM
Hey BW,
I just checked out the Edgewood-UW-Whitewater box score and saw that Lou Pitt reffed the game. How were the refs? I know he can have an attitude when working and wonder how he handled the coaches/players. Notice anything?
I just checked out the Edgewood-UW-Whitewater box score and saw that Lou Pitt reffed the game. How were the refs? I know he can have an attitude when working and wonder how he handled the coaches/players. Notice anything?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 25, 2008, 09:58:39 AM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 25, 2008, 09:58:39 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 25, 2008, 12:03:29 AM
Hey BW,
I just checked out the Edgewood-UW-Whitewater box score and saw that Lou Pitt reffed the game. How were the refs? I know he can have an attitude when working and wonder how he handled the coaches/players. Notice anything?
Judging by your call name here either you're a married man, or an official. I can certainly relate that for sure. ;) Just havin fun.
I was hoping to see the Pioneers play for the first time tonight, but unfortunately my wife's game take a higher obligation. Hopefully I'll have something to report some time soon.
Happy and safe Thanksgiving to everyone.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
The officiating was acceptable. A total of 37 fouls were called. Edgewood shot 18 and WW shot 16 free throws. They pretty much let them play though they did tighten up some in the second half.
We were trying to figure out who one of the officials was. His name is Tim Duffy and it sounded familiar to some of us but we couldn't place it. We thought that perhaps he had been a player in the league but weren't sure. Can anyone shed any light on that?
The WARHAWKS led 35-26 at halftime but separated themselves from Edgewood with a 14-6 run to start the second half behind three 3-pointers from Kelsey Hendrickson and went on to win 76-57. Twentyone players saw the floor and eleven players scored points. Dana Thompson paced the scoring with 13 points while Hendrickson finished with 12. Both Rachel Woolover and Mary Donohoo contributed 9. Tiffany Morton led all rebounders with 10. Sarah Moran and Heidi Sonntag each had 5 assists.
Edgewood's Megan Scheele led all scorers with 24 points. She's an excellent player who could start for any WIAC school. She basically does everything for Edgewood scoring, rebounding, assisting and bringing the ball up the court against our pressure defense. A very well rounded player.
We were trying to figure out who one of the officials was. His name is Tim Duffy and it sounded familiar to some of us but we couldn't place it. We thought that perhaps he had been a player in the league but weren't sure. Can anyone shed any light on that?
The WARHAWKS led 35-26 at halftime but separated themselves from Edgewood with a 14-6 run to start the second half behind three 3-pointers from Kelsey Hendrickson and went on to win 76-57. Twentyone players saw the floor and eleven players scored points. Dana Thompson paced the scoring with 13 points while Hendrickson finished with 12. Both Rachel Woolover and Mary Donohoo contributed 9. Tiffany Morton led all rebounders with 10. Sarah Moran and Heidi Sonntag each had 5 assists.
Edgewood's Megan Scheele led all scorers with 24 points. She's an excellent player who could start for any WIAC school. She basically does everything for Edgewood scoring, rebounding, assisting and bringing the ball up the court against our pressure defense. A very well rounded player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 25, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on November 25, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
Tim Duffy played for Platteville on 1998 era teams. Don't know if it's same guy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 25, 2008, 12:25:50 PM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 25, 2008, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
We were trying to figure out who one of the officials was. His name is Tim Duffy and it sounded familiar to some of us but we couldn't place it. We thought that perhaps he had been a player in the league but weren't sure. Can anyone shed any light on that?
There was Tim Duffy from UWP, who was an All-Conference football player, but also played basketball for Coach Ryan and Landrum. His last season with the Pioneer basketball team was 99-00. He played in 11 games that year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2008, 02:07:16 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2008, 02:07:16 PM
You know I knew I recognized that name and thought he'd played basketball somewhere in the league. Also he was young and the age looks about right. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the same person.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2008, 11:02:15 PM
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2008, 11:02:15 PM
Eau Claire took #17 St Norbert's 66-57. Very strong defense on both parts. Eau Claire's foul shooting in the late game was the difference. Two very mature teams in a physical battle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2008, 09:38:32 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2008, 09:38:32 AM
The WARHAWKS varsity reserves beat Madison Area Technical College last night. The score was 80something to 60something. I can't remember exactly.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 26, 2008, 10:00:18 AM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 26, 2008, 10:00:18 AM
Pioneers, aka Road Warriors, lost their home opener last night to Coe College 72-59. It was their first, and only home game in their first 11 games of the season. After home for one, the go on a 8 game "road trip". At least as far as they could go on a DIII schedule, which means that will last until 2009.
Game story here (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/coe.html)
Game story here (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/coe.html)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 26, 2008, 07:44:51 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 26, 2008, 07:44:51 PM
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 26, 2008, 10:00:18 AM
Pioneers, aka Road Warriors, lost their home opener last night to Coe College 72-59. It was their first, and only home game in their first 11 games of the season. After home for one, the go on a 8 game "road trip". At least as far as they could go on a DIII schedule, which means that will last until 2009.
That is a rough way to start the WIAC season - with three road games.
But look at the bright side - you're going to have mostly home games after the first of the year, including 3 straight at home in February when weather and travel can be a little "testy"...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 27, 2008, 11:35:53 PM
Post by: buf on November 27, 2008, 11:35:53 PM
I see that Point is in UWEC's tourney this weekend. It seems that the pairings are not predetermined. As a result, EC and Point could (most likely going to happen) meet on Saturday. Point plays Luther and EC plays St. Olaf on Friday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 28, 2008, 08:28:10 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 28, 2008, 08:28:10 PM
UWSP is in the process of blasting Luther College at the Eau Claire tournament, but the cool thing is who is on the bench for the Luther. UWSP all-american Amanda Nechuta is in her first year as an assistant at Luther after playing four years and coaching one at UWSP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2008, 11:24:08 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2008, 11:24:08 PM
EC and Point blasted their opponents tonight to set up a great match up tomorrow. Both teams played fantastic in the first halves. EC shot 67% against Olaf and Point 71% against Luther in the first stanza.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2008, 05:52:33 PM
Post by: buf on November 29, 2008, 05:52:33 PM
UWO wins over Lake Forest, 43-41.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 30, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 30, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
The Lady WARHAWKS trailed by 13 to a hot shooting (57.5% for the game, 64.7% in the first half) Loras but turned the defense up several notches and behind a 17-6 run managed to pull even with a minute and half left in the first half. Dana Thompson's inside basket put them on top 38-36 with :38 left in the half and it ended with the WARHAWKS up 40-37. Loras was still within 3 points with 13 minutes remaining but another run (13-6) put the WARHAWKS ahead by double digits and Loras got no closer than eight points the rest of the way. The final was 86-74.
Tiffany Morton went 10-16 from the floor and led all scorers with 29 points. Kelsey Hendrickson added 13 and Dana Thompson and Megan Schmidt each scored 12 points. The WARHAWKS full court pressure gave Loras major problems as they finished with 30 turnovers including 15 steals by the WARHAWKS. Meanwhile, for first time this season, the WARHAWKS finished with more assists than turnovers, 19-15.
Tiffany Morton went 10-16 from the floor and led all scorers with 29 points. Kelsey Hendrickson added 13 and Dana Thompson and Megan Schmidt each scored 12 points. The WARHAWKS full court pressure gave Loras major problems as they finished with 30 turnovers including 15 steals by the WARHAWKS. Meanwhile, for first time this season, the WARHAWKS finished with more assists than turnovers, 19-15.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 AM
Post by: BDB on December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 AM
Nice to see phoenix_rising, daughter of phoenix_rising, The Champ and Mrs. Champ at the Stout tournament this weekend.
Not as nice to see stoutguy, who I see all the damn time. ;D
Not as nice to see stoutguy, who I see all the damn time. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 01, 2008, 03:40:12 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 01, 2008, 03:40:12 PM
Quote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 09:26:38 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 19, 2008, 03:44:46 PMQuote from: buckets on November 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Slow start my arse! I for one have had enough of Schumacher. How long will she get a free pass because she won her first season WITH PAM RUDER'S PLAYERS?!?!?!
Read this article:
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20081119/OSH0201/811190563/1148/OSH02
Okay, if you didn't feel like cutting and pasting, let me give you the gist: blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, kids fault, blah, blah, blah, someting trite about stepping up, blah, blah, blah.
Oshkosh SHOULD NOT be the epitome of mediocrity! Look for them to be lousy the entire tenure of this coach, plus two years.
Buckets out!
Lets be fair here. The cupboard was not exactly full when she arrived. She was blessed with five solid players when she arrived, but not much for a bench.
But then she should've had a down year, maybe two until her recruits matured and were ready to play. Instead, what has happened? Her players the ones that SHE recruits won't stick around to play for her because either they can't hack it or they can't stand to play for her. In either case, she is ruining this once proud program.
I don't have the time nor the ambition to look this up, but doesn't it seem like she has lost a lot of upperclassmen? She rails on her kids for not having the guts to step up (in the paper, mind you!) but yet somehow her recruits dissapear after a season or two. There are a couple of high potential kids that are walking around that campus but have chosen to not stick with the program. Again, either poor recruiting or poor retention. In either case, poor coaching.
Sorry, I will take a few deep breaths and chill out!!!!
Former player here?
The advice I would give is exactly what you said.....chill out.
Its a young team. Maybe she called them out in the paper to see if anyone would step up and be a leader on the floor. That is one thing they are lacking. If they get a true floor leader and limit the TO's, they are bursting with potential. But you're making it sound like she's been planning on stealing the 1996 trophy and burning the banner.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 01, 2008, 07:19:48 PM
Post by: buf on December 01, 2008, 07:19:48 PM
VOT
Where have you been for the last couple of years (no posting)? I thought maybe GL kidnapped you! ;D
Where have you been for the last couple of years (no posting)? I thought maybe GL kidnapped you! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 01, 2008, 11:07:15 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 01, 2008, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 AM
Nice to see phoenix_rising, daughter of phoenix_rising, The Champ and Mrs. Champ at the Stout tournament this weekend.
Not as nice to see stoutguy, who I see all the damn time. ;D
Ya, well I know why you have this bad attitude about me. I nearly cost you big money between periods of the Stout hockey game when my blazing slap shot just caught the post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 02, 2008, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 02, 2008, 01:23:00 AM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 02, 2008, 07:22:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 02, 2008, 07:22:47 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 AM
Nice to see phoenix_rising, daughter of phoenix_rising, The Champ and Mrs. Champ at the Stout tournament this weekend.
Not as nice to see stoutguy, who I see all the damn time. ;D
Nice to see you to BDB...
And I had a nice chat with pr and her daughter who made the long trek south that was even longer than our trek to the northeast...
Maybe if stoutguy bought you a beer, you'd like to see him.... :o
Was good to get my first Stout WBB fix of the season!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 02, 2008, 11:56:14 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 02, 2008, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: buf on December 01, 2008, 07:19:48 PM
VOT
Where have you been for the last couple of years (no posting)? I thought maybe GL kidnapped you! ;D
Well, I only get to see less than half of the UWO games nowadays.....that and the whole "not-in-college-anymore" thing has kept me away from the board for too long, I guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on December 02, 2008, 12:05:13 PM
Post by: cubs on December 02, 2008, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: cubs on November 07, 2008, 08:58:38 PMInteresting to see that she is no longer listed on the UWO roster. She soes from starting the opening game of the season, to no longer being on the team in a matter of FIVE games.
I notcied Arin Lane is back on the UWO roster after a one year hiatus. Anyone know the story here? Was she injured last season, or is it something else?
Kind of a head-scratcher..... :-\
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on December 02, 2008, 03:08:54 PM
Post by: buckets on December 02, 2008, 03:08:54 PM
I don't need to "voice" my thoughts on this situation!
And no, I am not a former player. In fact, not even an alumn. Lets just say I have an "opinion!"
And no, I am not a former player. In fact, not even an alumn. Lets just say I have an "opinion!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 02, 2008, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 02, 2008, 03:58:13 PM
Damn, I was looking forward to "buckets" answer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 02, 2008, 09:47:26 PM
Post by: buf on December 02, 2008, 09:47:26 PM
Stout gets an offensive put-back layin by Hirrsig at the buzzer to defeat Northwestern, 65-63. Stout was trailing by 5 with about 4min left when they had a flurry of steals and baskets to take a 3-point lead late.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 02, 2008, 09:47:49 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 02, 2008, 09:47:49 PM
Off night for the Blue Devils, but they squeak out a win 65 - 63 with Julia Hirssig putting up the buzzer beater at the end.
Hirssig finished with 18 points, followed by Stokke with 13 and DeWitt with 11.
About 36% shooting from the floor - that needs to be better on Saturday!
Hirssig finished with 18 points, followed by Stokke with 13 and DeWitt with 11.
About 36% shooting from the floor - that needs to be better on Saturday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
She should stay in that zone, I'm sure her team would like that. Otherwise, I'm afraid we just might have another Randy Moss on our hands, because she is only playing when she wants to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 03, 2008, 09:33:15 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 03, 2008, 09:33:15 AM
Not much to say about the Superior women, except that they had enough spit in them to come back from an awful deficit to come within two before lagging back and losing. I can't say the Northland women look all that talented. Superior has a couple of very nice players, and they should have been able to take the game. It's like they just went a little goofy for stretches. Some serious weak spots on the team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 03, 2008, 01:35:53 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 03, 2008, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: The Champ on December 02, 2008, 09:47:49 PM
Off night for the Blue Devils, but they squeak out a win 65 - 63 with Julia Hirssig putting up the buzzer beater at the end.
Hirssig finished with 18 points, followed by Stokke with 13 and DeWitt with 11.
About 36% shooting from the floor - that needs to be better on Saturday!
Least they got the win and should be rested and ready for Eau Claire on Saturday. Couple good match-ups with that game and Stevens Point and WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 03, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 03, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on December 02, 2008, 03:58:13 PM
Damn, I was looking forward to "buckets" answer.
As was I. But some people back up their statements, some don't.
As far as Lane, who knows what it could be. As far as I know, she was still at UWO last year, though she didn't play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 03, 2008, 05:34:05 PM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 03, 2008, 05:34:05 PM
Believe it or not, the coach isn't only reason players leave programs. My guess is that many more are "burned out" and would rather study and earn their degree. Certainly not going to be out a free education if that is the case.
Takes special people to stick with it, especially if they know they are going to be nothing more than a roll, or scout team player. IMO.
Takes special people to stick with it, especially if they know they are going to be nothing more than a roll, or scout team player. IMO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
Post by: buf on December 03, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PMQuote from: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
She should stay in that zone, I'm sure her team would like that. Otherwise, I'm afraid we just might have another Randy Moss on our hands, because she is only playing when she wants to.
Pioneer-
Have you seen Witt play? She is always hustling around the court. In fact, she is #1 in assists and #3 in steals among conference players right now. I am just not seeing where your getting your "she only plays when she wants to"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2008, 09:53:26 PM
Post by: buf on December 03, 2008, 09:53:26 PM
Just got done watching EC win at D2 Minnesota-Duluth by about 15. Well played game by the 'Golds. EC's zone really confused UMD and contained their star player.
Witt had about 25pts to lead EC. Heidi A and Mesick also scored in double figures.
UWL won over Ripon. Ripon is now 0-3 (all at home) against WIAC teams this season. Gotta give kudos to them though by scheduling tough non-conference opponents.
River falls won over Viterbo
Point wins big over North Central
Witt had about 25pts to lead EC. Heidi A and Mesick also scored in double figures.
UWL won over Ripon. Ripon is now 0-3 (all at home) against WIAC teams this season. Gotta give kudos to them though by scheduling tough non-conference opponents.
River falls won over Viterbo
Point wins big over North Central
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 03, 2008, 10:05:43 PM
Post by: JMM on December 03, 2008, 10:05:43 PM
EC Wins. Witt was in the "Witt Zone" again! Go Heather. She hustles 100% and is grand but when she gets "that" look in her eyes it's "Witt Zone" time. Great win for EC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 04, 2008, 12:08:38 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 04, 2008, 12:08:38 AM
Quote from: buf on December 03, 2008, 07:42:18 PMQuote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PMQuote from: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
She should stay in that zone, I'm sure her team would like that. Otherwise, I'm afraid we just might have another Randy Moss on our hands, because she is only playing when she wants to.
Pioneer-
Have you seen Witt play? She is always hustling around the court. In fact, she is #1 in assists and #3 in steals among conference players right now. I am just not seeing where your getting your "she only plays when she wants to"
I think he was making light of Randy Moss. I would assume its not a dig at Witt, who had a great game on Wednesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 04, 2008, 10:10:49 AM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 04, 2008, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 04, 2008, 12:08:38 AMQuote from: buf on December 03, 2008, 07:42:18 PMQuote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PMQuote from: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
She should stay in that zone, I'm sure her team would like that. Otherwise, I'm afraid we just might have another Randy Moss on our hands, because she is only playing when she wants to.
Pioneer-
Have you seen Witt play? She is always hustling around the court. In fact, she is #1 in assists and #3 in steals among conference players right now. I am just not seeing where your getting your "she only plays when she wants to"
I think he was making light of Randy Moss. I would assume its not a dig at Witt, who had a great game on Wednesday.
Correct. I'm not taking anything away from her. I'm sure she is a great player, and I look forward to seeing her play the Pioneers. Just trying to make a play on the words is all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: palum on December 04, 2008, 03:41:12 PM
Post by: palum on December 04, 2008, 03:41:12 PM
Nice story about Platteville's Brianna Klaas and her battle with cancer in todays Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I hope this link works if not go to jsonline.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/35513824.html
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/35513824.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 04, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
Post by: buf on December 04, 2008, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 04, 2008, 10:10:49 AMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 04, 2008, 12:08:38 AMQuote from: buf on December 03, 2008, 07:42:18 PMQuote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PMQuote from: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
She should stay in that zone, I'm sure her team would like that. Otherwise, I'm afraid we just might have another Randy Moss on our hands, because she is only playing when she wants to.
Pioneer-
Have you seen Witt play? She is always hustling around the court. In fact, she is #1 in assists and #3 in steals among conference players right now. I am just not seeing where your getting your "she only plays when she wants to"
I think he was making light of Randy Moss. I would assume its not a dig at Witt, who had a great game on Wednesday.
Correct. I'm not taking anything away from her. I'm sure she is a great player, and I look forward to seeing her play the Pioneers. Just trying to make a play on the words is all.
My bad. Its just difficult sometimes to tell if someone is serious or joking when typing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2008, 08:25:58 PM
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2008, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: buf on December 04, 2008, 06:09:45 PMQuote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 04, 2008, 10:10:49 AMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 04, 2008, 12:08:38 AMQuote from: buf on December 03, 2008, 07:42:18 PMQuote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 02, 2008, 10:23:02 PMQuote from: JMM on November 29, 2008, 11:59:15 PM
Eau Claire beats Point by 60 - 54. Hard fought game. Eau Claire, well flat at times, had too many tools for Point. Hannah Mesick named tournmant MVP. Heather Witt another fantastic game When she goes into the "Witt Zone" she is the best all round player in the WIAC . Arciszewski was named to the all tournent team. 5, 6, 7 players on Eau Claire getting into the groove and doing very well as the season moves on.
She should stay in that zone, I'm sure her team would like that. Otherwise, I'm afraid we just might have another Randy Moss on our hands, because she is only playing when she wants to.
Pioneer-
Have you seen Witt play? She is always hustling around the court. In fact, she is #1 in assists and #3 in steals among conference players right now. I am just not seeing where your getting your "she only plays when she wants to"
I think he was making light of Randy Moss. I would assume its not a dig at Witt, who had a great game on Wednesday.
Correct. I'm not taking anything away from her. I'm sure she is a great player, and I look forward to seeing her play the Pioneers. Just trying to make a play on the words is all.
My bad. Its just difficult sometimes to tell if someone is serious or joking when typing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2008, 08:39:40 PM
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2008, 08:39:40 PM
Her's the bit about Witt. She is outstanding player. If you go to blugold games enough, There are times when she gets this gleam in her eye and goes into another zone (not twighlight but soething like that), three pointers go swish, steals come back to back to back and rebounds abound. I think the gleam is the love of the game. That is the "Witt Zone". Usually happens a few times a games. She always gives 100 % and is always a team keader but when the gleam gets in her eyes - magic - the "Witt Zone".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2008, 09:11:17 PM
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2008, 09:11:17 PM
Note on Stout. Stout is a very good team with lots of stamina and energy. Hirssig is fantastic. I think it would serve Stout not to pull her out so frequently and to keep her underneath. For some reason she seems to be more at the high post or up front not down below for rebounds and those quick put backs for points. Seems she gets pulled so much she can't get her full game going.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 04, 2008, 11:19:06 PM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 04, 2008, 11:19:06 PM
Buf:
No worries. Can definitely see where you are coming from. Should've tossed one of these in there ;) ;D :D :) :P
That one was on me.
I do look forward to seeing her play though.
Palum:
Great article you posted. I'm glad to see her back, even if it is in a limited role. That's a victory in my book.
No worries. Can definitely see where you are coming from. Should've tossed one of these in there ;) ;D :D :) :P
That one was on me.
I do look forward to seeing her play though.
Palum:
Great article you posted. I'm glad to see her back, even if it is in a limited role. That's a victory in my book.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 05, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 05, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
Hannah Mesick earns WIAC player of the week. Congrats.
Link (http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/athweek.htm)
Link (http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/athweek.htm)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 05, 2008, 11:58:47 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 05, 2008, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 AMWhat bob our talk at the game don't countbefrore Noll's firstgame at Stout
Nice to see phoenix_rising, daughter of phoenix_rising, The Champ and Mrs. Champ at the Stout tournament this weekend.
Not as nice to see stoutguy, who I see all the damn time. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 08:32:34 AM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 08:32:34 AM
Is shoutguy that fool who yelled at every foul shot against Dubuque last weekend at Stout? If so someone needs to velcro his mouth shut and tape him to a basement wall. What an embarassment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 06, 2008, 08:54:06 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 06, 2008, 08:54:06 AM
Yep, that's him.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 09:02:50 AM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 09:02:50 AM
Tar and feathers and a tennis ball in his mouth. YuK!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 06, 2008, 11:03:49 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 06, 2008, 11:03:49 AM
;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 06, 2008, 12:56:38 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 06, 2008, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 06, 2008, 08:32:34 AMHey, you are a pretty clever guy. "shoutguy" I like that. And, no, dipstick, I'm not him.
Is shoutguy that fool who yelled at every foul shot against Dubuque last weekend at Stout? If so someone needs to velcro his mouth shut and tape him to a basement wall. What an embarassment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWP SID on December 06, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: UWP SID on December 06, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 06, 2008, 12:56:38 PMQuote from: JMM on December 06, 2008, 08:32:34 AMHey, you are a pretty clever guy. "shoutguy" I like that. And, no, dipstick, I'm not him.
Is shoutguy that fool who yelled at every foul shot against Dubuque last weekend at Stout? If so someone needs to velcro his mouth shut and tape him to a basement wall. What an embarassment.
But can we still tape you to the basement wall? ;D
We'll see you down here on January 3rd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2008, 08:49:55 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2008, 08:49:55 PM
Pointers knock off #1 Whitewater 84-76. Janelle Van Gomple scores 18, Britta Peterson scores 17 (15 in second half) and Jessi Sporle scores 16.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 08:55:44 PM
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 08:55:44 PM
UWEC survives a 3-point barrage called Stout. Stout came out firing and hitting (esp. Edwards). UWEC was playing a zone to contain Hirssig, which gave Stout some opportunities from the outside and they converted. Even when UWEC switched to person to person defense in the 2nd half, Stout was still hot from the outside. For the game they went 11-18 from 3.
The game was close all the way, usually within 5 points. EC did get a 10-point lead with 4min left. Stout got back within 1 with 35sec left. EC hit 1 of 2 FTs to take a 2-point lead. With just a few seconds left, EC knocked the ball away from a Stout player going up for a shot and EC grabbed the ball and got fouled. Coach T thought his player got hacked and he ended up getting a T. End of game!
EC countered Stout's 3s mainly with the play of Heidi A along with contributions from others. Heidi finished with 31pts and 7rebs, going 16-16 from the foul line. She was definitely the go-to player down the stretch for the Golds. Witt chipped in with 12pts and 6 steals (about 4 in the first 8min of the game). Fremstad played a good floor game and hit some key shots. Mesick got EC off to a good start.
Stout shot 51% for the game compared to EC's 40% and outrebounded them by 8. However, EC turned the ball over 10 times less and out shot Stout from the FT line 80% to 50%.
The game was close all the way, usually within 5 points. EC did get a 10-point lead with 4min left. Stout got back within 1 with 35sec left. EC hit 1 of 2 FTs to take a 2-point lead. With just a few seconds left, EC knocked the ball away from a Stout player going up for a shot and EC grabbed the ball and got fouled. Coach T thought his player got hacked and he ended up getting a T. End of game!
EC countered Stout's 3s mainly with the play of Heidi A along with contributions from others. Heidi finished with 31pts and 7rebs, going 16-16 from the foul line. She was definitely the go-to player down the stretch for the Golds. Witt chipped in with 12pts and 6 steals (about 4 in the first 8min of the game). Fremstad played a good floor game and hit some key shots. Mesick got EC off to a good start.
Stout shot 51% for the game compared to EC's 40% and outrebounded them by 8. However, EC turned the ball over 10 times less and out shot Stout from the FT line 80% to 50%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:00:19 PM
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:00:19 PM
Is Stout's Tanya Dickey the sister of former UWEC player Jessica Dickey? They look and play very alike.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:03:56 PM
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:03:56 PM
UWEC's Heidi A is 40-41 (98%) on FTs so far this season. That percentage (while also considering the number of attempts) could be #1 regardless of division.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2008, 09:08:44 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2008, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:03:56 PM
UWEC's Heidi A is 40-41 (98%) on FTs so far this season. That percentage (while also considering the number of attempts) could be #1 regardless of division.
I believe to qualify for the NCAA statistical leaders you have to average 4 made free throws per game, so right now she qualifies. I think the first statistical report of the season comes out this Tuesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:16:15 PM
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 09:16:15 PM
Other scores not mentioned:
UWP over Superior 76-70
UWRF over UWO 53-43
UWP over Superior 76-70
UWRF over UWO 53-43
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 06, 2008, 09:34:35 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 06, 2008, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: UWP SID on December 06, 2008, 07:40:00 PMYou probably can tape me to the wall but as for that Platteville trip I HAVE to take my yearly trip to Mexico for a couple weeks so will miss the good care we always get at Platteville. See you when you guys come to Menomonie.Quote from: stoutguy on December 06, 2008, 12:56:38 PMQuote from: JMM on December 06, 2008, 08:32:34 AMHey, you are a pretty clever guy. "shoutguy" I like that. And, no, dipstick, I'm not him.
Is shoutguy that fool who yelled at every foul shot against Dubuque last weekend at Stout? If so someone needs to velcro his mouth shut and tape him to a basement wall. What an embarassment.
But can we still tape you to the basement wall? ;D
We'll see you down here on January 3rd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 06, 2008, 10:03:04 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 06, 2008, 10:03:04 PM
Just reading the box score from the UWSP-UWW and a couple things really stood out. WW usually wins two statistical categories every game, more rebounds and less turnovers. Looks like SP really handled their full-court pressure and did a good job of being even on the boards. I may be mistaken, but this is the third win in a row in the series for Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 10:07:57 PM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 10:07:57 PM
As noted early, WW is not the team to beat in the WIAC. They are very overated. They lost their heart and soul last year when Lindsey B. left. She was the glue and the gut of the team. The teams to beat are Point, EC and Stout. I see the final standings (if their are no major injuries) as:
Point and EC tied for first.
Stout in the next spot
WW in fourth.
No matter what the outcome of the year, WIAC is hands down the best conference in the nation.
Point and EC tied for first.
Stout in the next spot
WW in fourth.
No matter what the outcome of the year, WIAC is hands down the best conference in the nation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on December 06, 2008, 10:30:37 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on December 06, 2008, 10:30:37 PM
The Pointers today played one of the best games I've seen them play in several years. They didn't have a lot of turnovers, hit tough shots, rebounded very well against a taller team and never lost their composure. After losing 6 seniors from last year, I'll admit I thought that this would be a rebuilding year. After watching them play several times this year, I think they'll be in the mix for the title. While depth might be a concern, if they can stay healthy I think they'll be allright. All of the starters have been solid and freshman Cassie Bandow could probably start on most WIAC teams. After today, I think most Pointer fans are very excited about this years tem.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 10:32:43 PM
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 10:32:43 PM
Speaking of FT percentages,
Though games played by December 4th, UWL is shooting 85% as a team. Pretty incredible.
Though games played by December 4th, UWL is shooting 85% as a team. Pretty incredible.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 10:46:01 PM
Post by: buf on December 06, 2008, 10:46:01 PM
Again with the FT stuff:
Hunter (UWL) is 40-42.
Hunter (UWL) is 40-42.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
85% is incredable.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Annihilator on December 06, 2008, 11:18:57 PM
Post by: The Annihilator on December 06, 2008, 11:18:57 PM
WW is not the team to beat in the WIAC. They are very overated. They lost their heart and soul last year when Lindsey B. left. She was the glue and the gut of the team.
I think you are mistaken in Lindsey Buechner being the heart and soul of the team last year. She may have scored a lot of points but she was not as big of an asset as Trisha Thill. Thill's defense was the reason the Warhawks made it as far in the tournament as they did. Thill was the glue that kept them together. You can always replace scoring but the leadership that Thill provided is irreplaceable.
I think you are mistaken in Lindsey Buechner being the heart and soul of the team last year. She may have scored a lot of points but she was not as big of an asset as Trisha Thill. Thill's defense was the reason the Warhawks made it as far in the tournament as they did. Thill was the glue that kept them together. You can always replace scoring but the leadership that Thill provided is irreplaceable.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 11:32:59 PM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2008, 11:32:59 PM
I think you may be right it might have been Trish not lindsey, thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 07, 2008, 01:00:43 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 07, 2008, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Annihilator on December 06, 2008, 11:18:57 PM
WW is not the team to beat in the WIAC. They are very overated. They lost their heart and soul last year when Lindsey B. left. She was the glue and the gut of the team.
I think you are mistaken in Lindsey Buechner being the heart and soul of the team last year. She may have scored a lot of points but she was not as big of an asset as Trisha Thill. Thill's defense was the reason the Warhawks made it as far in the tournament as they did. Thill was the glue that kept them together. You can always replace scoring but the leadership that Thill provided is irreplaceable.
I don't know, they were both really important. Buechner was huge on their press because she could actually keep up with most post players full court. Thill was also very talented on defense and a good shooter. Isn't it funny how those two players hardly got any attention last year while Morten and Hendrickson were the talk of the league. Just shows how those role players, if you can call Thill and Buechner that since they were big factors, make a huge difference.
Also, might be too soon to jump off the WW bandwagon. One road game into conference is a little early and the WBCA coach of the year should be able to make adjustments.
And about UW-L shooting 85% from the line, wow. That is unheard of for any team. All they must do at UW-L is shoot free throws during practice! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 07, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
Post by: JMM on December 07, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
Last year and the year before, WW defense was fierce. It's just not there this year. I maintain if you stop Morten, you stop WW. There are many teams that will be able to stop her especially with Thill and Buechner gone. I have seen WW play 3 times this year. Defense is nowhere as fierce. Pressure is really on some of the younger players. They have had some easy competition to start and haven't shown that much. Compare WW stats amd other WIAC stats with like competition - difference really shows. The bench is also very lacking. Feel bad for them that so much pressure was put on them by the #1 rating so early. Probably took alot of focus from their game. With that rating gone, it will help them make adjustments and re-focus. SP has that fierce defense as does Stout. Both have multi-dimensional games to go with the defense. With the Thill and Buechner gone, WW is kind of one dimensional.
Time will tell, the season is young.
Time will tell, the season is young.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 07, 2008, 11:53:38 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 07, 2008, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: JMM on December 07, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
Last year and the year before, WW defense was fierce. It's just not there this year. I maintain if you stop Morten, you stop WW.
With all due respect, Morten had 23 and 14 yesterday. She was not stopped and they still lost.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 07, 2008, 01:12:44 PM
Post by: JMM on December 07, 2008, 01:12:44 PM
True, Morton had 23 pts and 14 rebounds. Next highest scorer was Woolever - 10. SP had four players ib double figures 18, 17, 16, 11. While Morton was not stopped, the offene was one dimensional - Morton. Time will tell. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 07, 2008, 05:07:15 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 07, 2008, 05:07:15 PM
The Falcons were able to knock off Oshkosh in a battle of young teams. Neither team played very well.
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/bbwomen.story.php
If the Falcons can stop turning the ball over, I think they have a chance to make the WIAC Tournament. We also need to see more of Tiffany Gregorich, she should be playing about 35 mins a game, but she also has to stay out of foul trouble.
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/bbwomen.story.php
If the Falcons can stop turning the ball over, I think they have a chance to make the WIAC Tournament. We also need to see more of Tiffany Gregorich, she should be playing about 35 mins a game, but she also has to stay out of foul trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on December 07, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: UWRF on December 07, 2008, 05:07:15 PM
The Falcons were able to knock off Oshkosh in a battle of young teams. Neither team played very well.
http://www.uwrf.edu/sports/bbwomen.story.php
If the Falcons can stop turning the ball over, I think they have a chance to make the WIAC Tournament. We also need to see more of Tiffany Gregorich, she should be playing about 35 mins a game, but she also has to stay out of foul trouble.
The 3 times I've seen UWRF play I was extremely impressed with Tess Lardie; especially her defense and ability to make steals. Also, I thought Jenna Hanson was very solid at the point. If they can get Taylor House and the other freshman, Maranda Dohrn to step up right away they could be in the mix. I should be able to watch them again when they come into MIAC territory to take on Hamline.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 07, 2008, 11:44:55 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 07, 2008, 11:44:55 PM
Its not that I was saying those two shouldn't play. They would all be in my starting line-up. (Yes I realize they are all 3 G's)
I just think that with her in the game the Falcons have the best chance to win. She never quits on a play, she is always hustling, and she can create her own shot.
Lardie needs to get more looks from outside and Hanson needs to be the leader.
I like the debate though... finally some RF stuff. Keep it up!
I just think that with her in the game the Falcons have the best chance to win. She never quits on a play, she is always hustling, and she can create her own shot.
Lardie needs to get more looks from outside and Hanson needs to be the leader.
I like the debate though... finally some RF stuff. Keep it up!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 09, 2008, 08:38:51 PM
Post by: buf on December 09, 2008, 08:38:51 PM
This week's Top 25 is out. The WIAC is well represented:
#7 UWW
#8 UWEC (also has 1 first place vote)
#13 Point
Receiving Votes (1) UWL
#7 UWW
#8 UWEC (also has 1 first place vote)
#13 Point
Receiving Votes (1) UWL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 10, 2008, 09:06:31 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 10, 2008, 09:06:31 AM
Sigh :'( Superior continues to snap defeat out of the jaws of victory.
At least the team has some nice talent, so there are flashes of decent play. Last year, I thought the team might have been kind of dangerous to be around; better this year.
At least the team has some nice talent, so there are flashes of decent play. Last year, I thought the team might have been kind of dangerous to be around; better this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 10, 2008, 10:13:57 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 10, 2008, 10:13:57 AM
The WARHAWK women blew Wheaton College (Il.) out of the gym last night. Leading 49-25 at half the WARHAWKS never trailed in the game and expanded the lead to 32 points, 88-56, by the time it ended. Tiffany Morton led the way with 21 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks in 23 minutes. Kelsey Hendrickson and Heidi Sontage scored in double figures with 12 and 11 points respectively. Dana Thompson also pulled down 9 rebounds as the WARHAWKS outrebounded the Thunder 42-30 and won the turnover battle 22-17 which included 12 steals by the home team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2008, 10:46:34 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2008, 10:46:34 PM
UWEC wins 59-47 over UWP. Golds jumped out to an early 9-0 lead, but UWP then went on an 8-0 run. Pretty close throughout the 1st half, with EC usually leading by about 5 or so. Witt, who was on a tear in the first two minutes (7pts, 2 steals) picked up her 2nd foul about 5min into the game and sat the rest of the half. Heidi A continues her hot FT shooting, going 12-12 tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
In other action tonight:
Point over UWL, 58-56. Bandow hits a shot with a few seconds left.
Stout whips UWRF, 80-57. Hirssig with 25pts, 11rebs. RF goes 8-26 from the FT line. Are you serious?
Superior wins over Northwestern, 62-50. I believe Northwestern played Stout evenly last week at the Johnson.
Point over UWL, 58-56. Bandow hits a shot with a few seconds left.
Stout whips UWRF, 80-57. Hirssig with 25pts, 11rebs. RF goes 8-26 from the FT line. Are you serious?
Superior wins over Northwestern, 62-50. I believe Northwestern played Stout evenly last week at the Johnson.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2008, 11:01:09 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2008, 11:01:09 PM
Congrats to Heidi A on being the WIAC player of the week and on being named to the d3hoops team of the week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
I Would add my congrats to Heidi A. After watching what she did against Stout on Sat., hard to imagine anyone else getting the honor. Regarding the Stout win, I didn't get to see it, but did talk to "T" after the game and the warning that I would put out to the rest of the conference is that he really likes this team. The near miss at EC and taking care of business at home makes me believe that Stout will be in the mix this year. A couple of d2 opponents next week will help get them ready for the conference battles to come.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 11, 2008, 10:10:54 AM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 11, 2008, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: buf on December 10, 2008, 10:54:21 PM
Stout whips UWRF, 80-57. Hirssig with 25pts, 11rebs. RF goes 8-26 from the FT line. Are you serious?
Looks like a lot of the high school free-throw lines in the box scores down here. Even the good teams are shooting horribly from the line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 10:48:50 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
I Would add my congrats to Heidi A. After watching what she did against Stout on Sat., hard to imagine anyone else getting the honor.
I understand that she had a huge game on Saturday, but shouldn't we just re-name the award the WIAC offensive player of the week? I feel like the team that had the best week should have their best player get the award. I thought knocking off the #1 ranked team in the nation and winning there other game by 30+, Point should have had the player of the week.
Heidi A's stats were amazing, but I think we should just name it the offensive player of the week. I am not sure if they take into mind a person's defense and level of competition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 11:15:08 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 10:48:50 AMQuote from: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
I Would add my congrats to Heidi A. After watching what she did against Stout on Sat., hard to imagine anyone else getting the honor.
I understand that she had a huge game on Saturday, but shouldn't we just re-name the award the WIAC offensive player of the week? I feel like the team that had the best week should have their best player get the award. I thought knocking off the #1 ranked team in the nation and winning there other game by 30+, Point should have had the player of the week.
Heidi A's stats were amazing, but I think we should just name it the offensive player of the week. I am not sure if they take into mind a person's defense and level of competition.
Usuallywrong. I think you are wrong again :D Using your logic, we would have to rename the player of the week award to team of the week, don't you think?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 12:42:13 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 12:42:13 PM
I don't think we have to go that far. I was just looking at stats and think the Point's player that was nominated had a very good week also and had a bigger win than EC.
I just think that the level of competition should be taken into consideration. Even though EC beat a very good Stout team at home, I would think that most people would agree that WW was better going into Saturday that Stout was. Just trying to get a discussion going I guess. ;)
I just think that the level of competition should be taken into consideration. Even though EC beat a very good Stout team at home, I would think that most people would agree that WW was better going into Saturday that Stout was. Just trying to get a discussion going I guess. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 02:47:42 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 12:42:13 PMNo problem with the discussion. But I would suggest that how much better WW is than Stout, (and that is yet to be determined), is a nonfactor in Heidi getting that award.
I don't think we have to go that far. I was just looking at stats and think the Point's player that was nominated had a very good week also and had a bigger win than EC.
I just think that the level of competition should be taken into consideration. Even though EC beat a very good Stout team at home, I would think that most people would agree that WW was better going into Saturday that Stout was. Just trying to get a discussion going I guess. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 12, 2008, 12:37:06 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 12, 2008, 12:37:06 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 11, 2008, 02:47:42 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 11, 2008, 12:42:13 PMNo problem with the discussion. But I would suggest that how much better WW is than Stout, (and that is yet to be determined), is a nonfactor in Heidi getting that award.
I don't think we have to go that far. I was just looking at stats and think the Point's player that was nominated had a very good week also and had a bigger win than EC.
I just think that the level of competition should be taken into consideration. Even though EC beat a very good Stout team at home, I would think that most people would agree that WW was better going into Saturday that Stout was. Just trying to get a discussion going I guess. ;)
I agree that it was a non factor in Heidi getting the award. I just thought it should be. I just thought that WW was a better team going into the weekend than Stout based on record and ranking.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 12, 2008, 08:42:44 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 12, 2008, 08:42:44 AM
Usuallywrong24...... You may want to think about changing your name to Usuallywrong25.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
Post by: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
i agree with usuallywrong24 on this one...what if a team loses twice in a week but one player has a great individual statline. another players team wins twice but only has decent stats. there are a ton of different scenarios that could be played out in determining player of the week. i do agree that team success should be taken into account for player of the week. apparently i'm the only one though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 11:29:30 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 11:29:30 AM
Quote from: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
i agree with usuallywrong24 on this one...what if a team loses twice in a week but one player has a great individual statline. another players team wins twice but only has decent stats. there are a ton of different scenarios that could be played out in determining player of the week. i do agree that team success should be taken into account for player of the week. apparently i'm the only one though.
Wow. So, now two people actually think that Heidi A. should not be player of the week because Stout isn't as good as WW? That thinking is off base for so many reasons that I think I shall not react to it anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
First, it would have been pretty hard for any WHITEWATER player to beat Hiedi A out considering none were nominated. She had a incredible game Saturday but her performance on Friday was nothing to sneeze at.
When these difficult decisions come up I suggest we use the NBA efficency rating to resolve who played better. It does take some defense into account (steals, d rebounds) and it does quantify an offensive performance. Less face it nobody is going to win based on defense alone.
The formula is as follows:
Points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks - (Field goals attempted - Field goals made) + (Free throws attempted - Free throws made) + turnovers = efficency
So if player A scores 16 points on 5-10 from the field, 6-6 from the line, has 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and 4 turnovers their efficency rating is: 16 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 26 - 5 - 0 - 4 = 17.
and
Player B scores 24 points on 10-20 from the field, 2-2 from the line, has 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steals, 1 block and 6 turnovers their efficency rating is 24 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 31 - 10- 6 = 15
Player A was more efficent than player B despite scoring fewer points.
And Stoutguy I did that with only two years of high school math :D
When these difficult decisions come up I suggest we use the NBA efficency rating to resolve who played better. It does take some defense into account (steals, d rebounds) and it does quantify an offensive performance. Less face it nobody is going to win based on defense alone.
The formula is as follows:
Points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks - (Field goals attempted - Field goals made) + (Free throws attempted - Free throws made) + turnovers = efficency
So if player A scores 16 points on 5-10 from the field, 6-6 from the line, has 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and 4 turnovers their efficency rating is: 16 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 26 - 5 - 0 - 4 = 17.
and
Player B scores 24 points on 10-20 from the field, 2-2 from the line, has 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steals, 1 block and 6 turnovers their efficency rating is 24 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 31 - 10- 6 = 15
Player A was more efficent than player B despite scoring fewer points.
And Stoutguy I did that with only two years of high school math :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 12:31:00 PMWell, I think that even with all that hs math, BW, you are confused. These guys are suggesting that it is the Stevens Point player who should get the nod because she had to play against WW and Heidi only had to contend with lowly Stout. ;D
First, it would have been pretty hard for any WHITEWATER player to beat Hiedi A out considering none were nominated. She had a incredible game Saturday but her performance on Friday was nothing to sneeze at.
When these difficult decisions come up I suggest we use the NBA efficency rating to resolve who played better. It does take some defense into account (steals, d rebounds) and it does quantify an offensive performance. Less face it nobody is going to win based on defense alone.
The formula is as follows:
Points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks - (Field goals attempted - Field goals made) + (Free throws attempted - Free throws made) + turnovers = efficency
So if player A scores 16 points on 5-10 from the field, 6-6 from the line, has 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block and 4 turnovers their efficency rating is: 16 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 26 - 5 - 0 - 4 = 17.
and
Player B scores 24 points on 10-20 from the field, 2-2 from the line, has 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steals, 1 block and 6 turnovers their efficency rating is 24 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 31 - 10- 6 = 15
Player A was more efficent than player B despite scoring fewer points.
And Stoutguy I did that with only two years of high school math :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 01:42:02 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 01:42:02 PM
I know we're well into the season, but its the first time I've gotten to look at rosters.
What's up with Stout? Only 17 on the roster this year? Are economic times so bad that they had to cut 8 more chairs from the sidelines?
What's up with Stout? Only 17 on the roster this year? Are economic times so bad that they had to cut 8 more chairs from the sidelines?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 01:46:46 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 01:46:46 PM
Oh, never mind.
Let's put it to the test. Heidi A played Stout 12/6 and Minn/Duluth 12/3. Janelle Van Gample, nominated by Stevens Point, played WW 12/6 and North Central 12/3.
Heidi:
46 + 15 + 2 +1 + 2 = 66
15 + 0 + 6 = 21
Efficency = 45
Janelle:
30 + 9 + 6 + 0 + 5 = 50
7+ 2 + 8 = 17
Efficency = 33
Objectively Heidi A had the better pair of games.
Can you tell I'm having a slow day at work?
Let's put it to the test. Heidi A played Stout 12/6 and Minn/Duluth 12/3. Janelle Van Gample, nominated by Stevens Point, played WW 12/6 and North Central 12/3.
Heidi:
46 + 15 + 2 +1 + 2 = 66
15 + 0 + 6 = 21
Efficency = 45
Janelle:
30 + 9 + 6 + 0 + 5 = 50
7+ 2 + 8 = 17
Efficency = 33
Objectively Heidi A had the better pair of games.
Can you tell I'm having a slow day at work?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 01:55:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 01:55:47 PM
The WARHAWKS beat Cornell (Ia.) last night 79-50. After a close first half which ended with WW holding a one point lead, 31-30, the WARHAWKS opened the second half with a 30-0 run. Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 20 points (5-8 three-pointers). Henrickson also led the team with 5 assists. Tiffany Morton had another double-double with 10 points and 12 rebounds.
The win was Coach Carollo's 100th.
The win was Coach Carollo's 100th.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 01:59:09 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 01:42:02 PMMaybe we could use some of your chairs. Your program seems to have plenty to spare.
I know we're well into the season, but its the first time I've gotten to look at rosters.
What's up with Stout? Only 17 on the roster this year? Are economic times so bad that they had to cut 8 more chairs from the sidelines?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 02:21:48 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 01:42:02 PMMaybe we could use some of your chairs. Your program seems to have plenty to spare.
I know we're well into the season, but its the first time I've gotten to look at rosters.
What's up with Stout? Only 17 on the roster this year? Are economic times so bad that they had to cut 8 more chairs from the sidelines?
My program? I don't coach or play for any college. Unless you mean the HS I am at. If so, budgets are tight. We can't spare many chairs. If you meant UWO, then you will have to ask THEM.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
Post by: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
I wasn't insinuating that Heidi Asreoawivahioski shouldn't get player of the week. I just think there should be more than offensive output considered when choosing player of the week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 03:34:44 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
I wasn't insinuating that Heidi Asreoawivahioski shouldn't get player of the week. I just think there should be more than offensive output considered when choosing player of the week.
Think of it as the Golden Glove award, when Rafael Palmeiro won at 1B a few years back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 02:21:48 PM
My program? I don't coach or play for any college. Unless you mean the HS I am at. If so, budgets are tight. We can't spare many chairs. If you meant UWO, then you will have to ask THEM.
I suspect the Voice of the Titan thing may have led him to conclude that you call the UW-Oshkosh Titan your team. Can't imagine why he might think that. After all none of the high school programs in Oshkosh call themselves Titan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 05:06:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
I wasn't insinuating that Heidi Asreoawivahioski shouldn't get player of the week. I just think there should be more than offensive output considered when choosing player of the week.
I think the efficency rating is the only way to go.
The efficency rating does incorporate defensive stats in it's calculation. It uses defensive rebounds and steals. What other individual defensive stats would you use? It would be impossible to use stats from the player they guarded because they could guard multiple players in a single game not to mention zone defenses they might use and using your opponents final score isn't measuring an individual defensive stat. It's player of the week, not team of the week.
I know you're not suggesting Heidi shouldn't have won the honor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 12, 2008, 07:40:21 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 12, 2008, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
I just think there should be more than offensive output considered when choosing player of the week.
And they do consider defensive stats when they make the decisions for player of the week.
I don't know how long you've been following the WIAC, but it wasn't that long ago that there was this tall blonde gal playing at UW Stout by the name of Kelsey Duoss.
I remember several times when she was recognized as player of the week that the write up mentioned the number of blocks she had for the week. She was also "pretty good" offensively (#1 overall in career FG percentage at .589), but she is #2 in WIAC career blocked shots (in only 3 seasons).
One example, from the WIAC website:
QuoteWeek of Jan. 22 - 28 (2006 - 2007)
Kelsey Duoss, Senior (Janesville/Clinton), Forward of UW-Stout
Duoss helped UW-Stout to pair of league victories over second-place teams in the WIAC standings. In a 65-52 win over conference rival UW-Eau Claire on Jan. 24, she tallied a game-high 16 points and nine rebounds, while adding two blocked shots. Against UW-Whitewater on Jan. 27, Duoss set a school single-game record with 10 blocked shots and added a team-best nine rebounds to go along with eight points. UW-Stout has won nine straight games overall and 10 consecutive WIAC contests.
Defense does count for these weekly honors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 09:46:38 PM
Post by: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 09:46:38 PM
Well, Duoss was a legit player. She should have had that many blocks and on nights that she didn't, clearly something was wrong. She would have been great in D1, although might not have had as many blocks. I have been following the WIAC for many years and I don't think defense is always factored in when making the decision. But such is life. So the saying goes...offense wins games, defense wins championships. Well, apparently offense wins you player of the week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 04:59:12 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 02:21:48 PM
My program? I don't coach or play for any college. Unless you mean the HS I am at. If so, budgets are tight. We can't spare many chairs. If you meant UWO, then you will have to ask THEM.
I suspect the Voice of the Titan thing may have led him to conclude that you call the UW-Oshkosh Titan your team. Can't imagine why he might think that. After all none of the high school programs in Oshkosh call themselves Titan.
Thanks for having my back, BW. I did think that, as a result of a WIAC discussion and the handle, he could be an Oshkosh supporter. See, we use the word "we" or "my" when supporting a team sometimes. Silly me. And, yes, I am aware that budgets are tight. Keep your damn chairs. We'll find some more at Stout if we have to.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 13, 2008, 09:20:52 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 13, 2008, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: The Annihilator on December 12, 2008, 09:46:38 PM
Well, Duoss was a legit player. She should have had that many blocks and on nights that she didn't, clearly something was wrong. She would have been great in D1, although might not have had as many blocks. I have been following the WIAC for many years and I don't think defense is always factored in when making the decision. But such is life. So the saying goes...offense wins games, defense wins championships. Well, apparently offense wins you player of the week.
Did you really post that?
Duoss should have had 10 blocks per night? That was an ALL TIME school record, and you say that if she didn't do that every game something was wrong??? You're losing credibility here...
You make no comment about the other Stout players I referenced (Verdegan and Zellinger). Over night I thought of some other defensive standouts from Stout that received player of the week options in the last few years - Molly Hendrickson and Erin Churchill....
If you've followed the WIAC for many years, how come you don't recall some of the defensive standouts that have been honored for player of the week? You don't follow Stout - how about WW, EC, or SP?
Lindsey Buechner of UWW last year:
QuoteBuechner helped the Warhawks to a pair of WIAC victories, including a win over No. 20-ranked UW-Eau Claire that vaulted UW-Whitewater into a tie for first-place in the league standings. Against the Blugolds, she totaled a team-high 12 points to go along with six rebounds, three steals and two blocked shots in 22 minutes of playing time. In a 99-87 overtime win at UW-La Crosse on January 30, Buechner poured in a team-best 24 points and grabbed eight rebounds to go along with four steals and two assists.
12 points against EC - yeah, that was a team high, but the team only scored 60 points. It was a DEFENSIVE victory - holding UWEC to 50 points!
Rachel Becker of UWEC:
QuoteBecker averaged nearly a triple-double in two league contests during the week. In a 77-54 victory at UW-Superior on January 18, she scored eight points, dished out eight assists, grabbed seven rebounds and collected three steals. In a 66-50 win at No. 24-ranked UW-La Crosse on January 21, Becker posted a double-double with 12 points and 10 assists to go along with seven rebounds. For the week, she averaged 10.0 points, 9.0 assists, 7.0 rebounds and 2.0 steals to help UW-Eau Claire increased its WIAC winning streak to four games.
Becker scored a total of 20 points for TWO games - and you're still trying to claim that offense wins you player of the week? Her best game of the two she scored only 8 points!
Nathalie Lechault of UWSP:
QuoteLechault helped UW-Stevens Point to a 66-63 victory over league-leading UW-Oshkosh on January 25. She posted career highs with 19 points, 13 rebounds and eight blocked shots as the Pointers moved within one game of first place in the conference standings. She was nine-of-14 (64.3 percent) from the field and added one assist in 27 minutes of playing time. Her eight blocked shots are also the most in the league this season.
And I'd like to point out that these two players won the player of the week honors in consecutive weeks - Becker for Jan 16 - 22nd and Lechault for Jan 23 - 29th.
If I can remember many players that were defensive standouts - and were duly recognized - than anyone else that follows the WIAC should know that player of the week is not just an offensive achievement award.
It is, and always has been, the player that performed the best overall.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 13, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 13, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
I guess this was not a good week to bring the level of competition factor into the player of the week discussion. EC also had some good opponents last week.
I am glad we now know that defensive stats do matter in the player of the week discussion.
I was just think the Point player had a gripe since her team beat the #1 team in the nation. Maybe co-players of the week would have been appropriate ;).
ps. I am thinking the owners of D3hoops.com should sending some of us checks in the mail for making so many hits to the site in the last 36 hours :)
I am glad we now know that defensive stats do matter in the player of the week discussion.
I was just think the Point player had a gripe since her team beat the #1 team in the nation. Maybe co-players of the week would have been appropriate ;).
ps. I am thinking the owners of D3hoops.com should sending some of us checks in the mail for making so many hits to the site in the last 36 hours :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Annihilator on December 13, 2008, 11:55:55 AM
Post by: The Annihilator on December 13, 2008, 11:55:55 AM
Yes Champ, I really posted that. I was not insinuating that Duoss should have 10 blocked shots a night. If she did that, she would be in the NBA. I simply meant that she was a very very good player for D3 and she should have dominated in the paint, and she did for the most part. As for Buechner, she was out of control and terrible at defense, but was in the right place at the right time (a lot). Becker was pretty good, but again, out of control. Lechault had arms the length of a giraffe's neck. She was good at changing shots but not very basketball saavy. I'm simply stating my opinions and it makes me laugh that everyone is getting so defensive (no pun intended)!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 13, 2008, 12:58:14 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 13, 2008, 12:58:14 PM
I guess that in the WIAC, if you get selected as player of the wee, you must be:
A. A very very good player.
B. Out of control.
C. Terrible at defense.
D. Have arms the length of a giraffe's neck.
E. Not very basketball saavy.
F. Lucky.
FWIW:
Rachel Becker was an All WIAC selection in 2005 and 2006 (HM)
Nathalie Lechault was an All WIAC selection in 2005 (HM) and 2006 (DEF)
Lindsey Buechner was an All WIAC selection in 2007 and 2008 (HM)
Kelsey Duoss was an All WIAC selection in 2005, 2005 (DEF), 2006 (POY), 2006 (DEF), 2007 (POY) and 2007 (DEF)
I am far from being defensive.
I'm just having trouble believing that someone continues to claim that player of the week is an offensive award when clearly the facts show otherwise.
A. A very very good player.
B. Out of control.
C. Terrible at defense.
D. Have arms the length of a giraffe's neck.
E. Not very basketball saavy.
F. Lucky.
FWIW:
Rachel Becker was an All WIAC selection in 2005 and 2006 (HM)
Nathalie Lechault was an All WIAC selection in 2005 (HM) and 2006 (DEF)
Lindsey Buechner was an All WIAC selection in 2007 and 2008 (HM)
Kelsey Duoss was an All WIAC selection in 2005, 2005 (DEF), 2006 (POY), 2006 (DEF), 2007 (POY) and 2007 (DEF)
I am far from being defensive.
I'm just having trouble believing that someone continues to claim that player of the week is an offensive award when clearly the facts show otherwise.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 13, 2008, 03:02:27 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 13, 2008, 03:02:27 PM
Couple questions.
Why is the Oshkosh-Stout game tonight at 7pm? Is there something going on in the fieldhouse that pushed the game back?
Also, why is the WW-Oshkosh game going to be played next Wednesday instead of last Wednesday? Did WW have trouble getting teams to play them and be forced to push the game back to get 25 games this season?
Why is the Oshkosh-Stout game tonight at 7pm? Is there something going on in the fieldhouse that pushed the game back?
Also, why is the WW-Oshkosh game going to be played next Wednesday instead of last Wednesday? Did WW have trouble getting teams to play them and be forced to push the game back to get 25 games this season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 13, 2008, 04:19:05 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 13, 2008, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 13, 2008, 03:02:27 PM
Couple questions.
Why is the Oshkosh-Stout game tonight at 7pm? Is there something going on in the fieldhouse that pushed the game back?
Also, why is the WW-Oshkosh game going to be played next Wednesday instead of last Wednesday? Did WW have trouble getting teams to play them and be forced to push the game back to get 25 games this season?
Graduation today at Stout. You see, contrary to popular belief, the Stout kids have classes, and homework, and all the regular stuff that all the other schools have.
I think the Oshkosh thing has something to do with Oshkosh not playing during finals week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on December 13, 2008, 08:39:28 PM
Post by: OshDude on December 13, 2008, 08:39:28 PM
Today was commencement day at Oshkosh as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 13, 2008, 09:21:22 PM
Post by: buf on December 13, 2008, 09:21:22 PM
Speaking of UWO and Stout:
At the half.....
UWO 27
Stout 38
UWO actually had a decent lead in this one but faltered greatly in the last 5min of the half.
At the half.....
UWO 27
Stout 38
UWO actually had a decent lead in this one but faltered greatly in the last 5min of the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 13, 2008, 10:19:41 PM
Post by: buf on December 13, 2008, 10:19:41 PM
UWEC over UWL, 66-52. Great game for Witt as she had 23pts (5-6 on 3s), 6 assists and 3 steals. She also broke UWL's press single handily. Messick also played well along with Anderson off the bench.
Eau Claire native Hunter led UWL with 23pts. However she needed 24 shots to get them.
EC has a tough task ahead of them next Saturday. They play at D1 South Dakota.
Eau Claire native Hunter led UWL with 23pts. However she needed 24 shots to get them.
EC has a tough task ahead of them next Saturday. They play at D1 South Dakota.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 14, 2008, 02:52:07 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 14, 2008, 02:52:07 PM
River Falls 78, Platteville 55
RF didnt have a field goal the first 8 minutes of the second half, but then Tiffany Gregorich took over. It was awesome, she couldn't miss. 11-14 from the field and she finished with 29.
RF didnt have a field goal the first 8 minutes of the second half, but then Tiffany Gregorich took over. It was awesome, she couldn't miss. 11-14 from the field and she finished with 29.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2008, 07:41:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2008, 07:41:44 PM
The WARHAWKS beat up on Superior 76-53. Superior hung tight for most of the first half but WHITEWATER built the lead to double digits, 27-17 with 3:14 remaining and Superior never got any closer. The lead was as many as 28 points, 65-37, with about 8 minutes remaining in the game. Heidi Sontag led all scorers with 15 points while Kelsey Hendrickson (11 points) and Tiffany Morton (11 points) also scored in double figures. Morton had her sixth double-double of the season as she added 13 rebounds. WHITEWATER dominated the boards 39 (16 offensive) to 19 and forced the Yellow Jackets into 28 turnovers, 15 of which were steals.
The WARHAWKS return to action Wednesday when they travel to Oshkosh.
The WARHAWKS return to action Wednesday when they travel to Oshkosh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 15, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 15, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 12, 2008, 11:32:10 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2008, 04:59:12 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on December 12, 2008, 02:21:48 PM
My program? I don't coach or play for any college. Unless you mean the HS I am at. If so, budgets are tight. We can't spare many chairs. If you meant UWO, then you will have to ask THEM.
I suspect the Voice of the Titan thing may have led him to conclude that you call the UW-Oshkosh Titan your team. Can't imagine why he might think that. After all none of the high school programs in Oshkosh call themselves Titan.
Thanks for having my back, BW. I did think that, as a result of a WIAC discussion and the handle, he could be an Oshkosh supporter. See, we use the word "we" or "my" when supporting a team sometimes. Silly me. And, yes, I am aware that budgets are tight. Keep your damn chairs. We'll find some more at Stout if we have to.
Apologies if I hit a nerve or something. I just always get a kick when people who aren't on the team they are talking about use the term "we", but I understand the psychology behind it. And I will cease with the ribbing of Stout's roster history if it is just going to lead to swearing. Moving on.....
Any big holiday trips for teams? Looking outside, I'm thinking Arizona would be nice right about now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 15, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on December 15, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
SWEARING!! Real nice stoutguy. I am pretty offended.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 15, 2008, 02:55:52 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 15, 2008, 02:55:52 PM
Looks like the WIAC will be pretty tight again this year. Looks like a four team race between EC, SP, Stout, and WW. River is playing well right now, but they did get beat by 23 against Stout. Should be an interesting season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 15, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 15, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Sorry, Flash. I lost my head. I promise it won't happen again. Please don't tell any of your buddies on the MIAC or WIAC football boards. My reputation would be ruined. Add to the chaos, BGbacker just called me overrated on the men's board. And if BDB reads this, I could lose my job.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 15, 2008, 06:05:17 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 15, 2008, 06:05:17 PM
STOUTGUY BLue Devil Bob told me in person minutes after you posted your last post. he is watching you
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 15, 2008, 09:53:24 PM
Post by: JMM on December 15, 2008, 09:53:24 PM
Three teams in the national top 13 in mid December. Should be quite the year for the WIAC. The battle for conference will now begin. Any predictions on the top three finishers and the number of loses for each? I don't see any surviving without at least 2 conference loses. I see Stout as number four but beating EC and WW in the process. What say you?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 15, 2008, 11:37:41 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 15, 2008, 11:37:41 PM
EC 13-3
SP 13-3
WW 12-4
ST 11-5
LC 10-6
RF 7-9
Platt 3-13
OSH 3-13
SUP 0-16
I don't know. I think that River is going to make the top 6 to qualify for WIAC postseason. I was just trying to get to 72-72 for the season. I think that LC is going to upset some teams at home this season. The combo of Hunter and Wahl is pretty tough even though they are 0-2 right now. Just for discussions stake.
SP 13-3
WW 12-4
ST 11-5
LC 10-6
RF 7-9
Platt 3-13
OSH 3-13
SUP 0-16
I don't know. I think that River is going to make the top 6 to qualify for WIAC postseason. I was just trying to get to 72-72 for the season. I think that LC is going to upset some teams at home this season. The combo of Hunter and Wahl is pretty tough even though they are 0-2 right now. Just for discussions stake.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 16, 2008, 11:49:18 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 16, 2008, 11:49:18 AM
Looks pretty close to how it may end up. Who do you have with the tiebreaker at 13-3?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 16, 2008, 07:45:28 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 16, 2008, 07:45:28 PM
I'll give it a coin toss. :) Too close to call
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 16, 2008, 10:10:53 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 16, 2008, 10:10:53 PM
WIAC Player of the Week
Julia Hirssig, a 5-foot, 11-inch forward, led UW-Stout to identical 80-57 wins over UW-River Falls, Dec. 10, and UW-Oshkosh, Dec. 13.
Against the Falcons, Hirssig poured in a game-high and season-best 25 points, shooting 9-of-12 from the field and 7-of-11 from the free throw line. She collected a game-high 11 rebounds (seven defensive) and had three blocked shots.
Against the Titans, she scored a game-best 22 points, again hitting 9-of-12 from the floor and 4-of-7 from the line.Hirssig grabbed a game-high 14 rebounds (six defensive), had two blocked shots and one steal.
On the week, Hirssig scored 47 points, shot 18-of-24 from the floor (75.0 percent), 11-of-18 from the line (61.1 percent), had 25 rebounds (12 offensive, 13 defensive), five blocked shots and a steal.
Emphasis added to insure that defensive stats are noticed... ;)
Julia Hirssig, a 5-foot, 11-inch forward, led UW-Stout to identical 80-57 wins over UW-River Falls, Dec. 10, and UW-Oshkosh, Dec. 13.
Against the Falcons, Hirssig poured in a game-high and season-best 25 points, shooting 9-of-12 from the field and 7-of-11 from the free throw line. She collected a game-high 11 rebounds (seven defensive) and had three blocked shots.
Against the Titans, she scored a game-best 22 points, again hitting 9-of-12 from the floor and 4-of-7 from the line.Hirssig grabbed a game-high 14 rebounds (six defensive), had two blocked shots and one steal.
On the week, Hirssig scored 47 points, shot 18-of-24 from the floor (75.0 percent), 11-of-18 from the line (61.1 percent), had 25 rebounds (12 offensive, 13 defensive), five blocked shots and a steal.
Emphasis added to insure that defensive stats are noticed... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 16, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 16, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
I did like how they put in the defensive boards this week.
I would have given it to Witt, but doesn't really matter. ;)
I would have given it to Witt, but doesn't really matter. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 17, 2008, 07:04:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 17, 2008, 07:04:54 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 16, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
I did like how they put in the defensive boards this week.
I would have given it to Witt, but doesn't really matter. ;)
I think it's the coach's writeup - and defense is important to Coach T... ;)
As to Witt, just curious as to your reasoning?
Looking strictly at defense - Hirssig had 13 defensive boards, 5 blocked shots and 1 steal compared to Witt's 7 defensive boards, 0 blocks and 5 steals.
Add in the offense - Hirssig had 47 points and 14 offensive boards vs. Witt's 32 points and 2 offensive rebounds.
Hirssig appears to win both the offensive and defensive comparison. Am I missing something? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2008, 10:57:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2008, 10:57:46 AM
Do I have to settle this Stout POY vs EC POY every week? :D ;)
Witt's efficency rating for the 12/10 game was slightly better, +30 to +26 but Hirssig smoked her in the second game 12/13, +29 to +13. So...
Witt's efficency rating for the two games was +43.
Hirssig's efficency rating for the the two games was +55.
Advantage Hirssig.
Witt's efficency rating for the 12/10 game was slightly better, +30 to +26 but Hirssig smoked her in the second game 12/13, +29 to +13. So...
Witt's efficency rating for the two games was +43.
Hirssig's efficency rating for the the two games was +55.
Advantage Hirssig.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 17, 2008, 11:28:29 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 17, 2008, 11:28:29 AM
Quote from: The Champ on December 17, 2008, 07:04:54 AMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 16, 2008, 11:22:02 PM
I did like how they put in the defensive boards this week.
I would have given it to Witt, but doesn't really matter. ;)
I think it's the coach's writeup - and defense is important to Coach T... ;)
As to Witt, just curious as to your reasoning?
Looking strictly at defense - Hirssig had 13 defensive boards, 5 blocked shots and 1 steal compared to Witt's 7 defensive boards, 0 blocks and 5 steals.
Add in the offense - Hirssig had 47 points and 14 offensive boards vs. Witt's 32 points and 2 offensive rebounds.
Hirssig appears to win both the offensive and defensive comparison. Am I missing something? ???
I was just kidding, hence the wink.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 17, 2008, 12:49:37 PM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 17, 2008, 12:49:37 PM
IMO, I think this board get the Defensive board of the week. Gotta walk on pins and needles ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 17, 2008, 09:44:34 PM
Post by: buf on December 17, 2008, 09:44:34 PM
UWW wins at UWO, 65-49. UWW was up by 25pts with 3min left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 17, 2008, 10:41:43 PM
Post by: JMM on December 17, 2008, 10:41:43 PM
Still waiting for WW to play another good team like SP. Not saying WW is bad, but other than SP, their competition has been a cake-walk - EASY May hurt them when they get to the good teams like RF, Stout, EC and the remaining game with SP. Does however seem they are getting better. Going to be a tough year in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 18, 2008, 07:24:19 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 18, 2008, 07:24:19 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 17, 2008, 10:57:46 AM
Do I have to settle this Stout POY vs EC POY every week? :D ;)
Well, why don't you just decide all the awards for us before they are announced??? ;)
And it's POW, not POY... :D
Things must still be real slow at the office... ;D
Besides, last week it was EC POW vs. Point POW... :P
Now get back to work... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
The WARHAWKS never trailed but Oshkosh hung tough for the first half trailing by only three points, 33-30. However the WARHAWKS made a 17-5 run to start the second half and built the lead to as many as 25 points before the final of 65-49. Kelsey Hendrickson found her touch from beyond the arch (5-8) and led all scorers with 21 points. Nicole Bundy also scored in double figures with 10 points. Tiffany Morton only took six shots and was held to a season low 6 ponts though she did pull down 9 rebounds to lead the team in that category. No Oshkosh player scored in double figures.
Surprisingly the stat sheet provided by the Oshkosh stats people last night indicated that Trisha Thill and Shannon Moore both played despite having graduated last year. ??? I did notice the official box score has been corrected however.
Surprisingly the stat sheet provided by the Oshkosh stats people last night indicated that Trisha Thill and Shannon Moore both played despite having graduated last year. ??? I did notice the official box score has been corrected however.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 18, 2008, 01:15:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 18, 2008, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
Surprisingly the stat sheet provided by the Oshkosh stats people last night indicated that Trisha Thill and Shannon Moore both played despite having graduated last year.
FORFEIT!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
Post by: buf on December 18, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
The WARHAWKS never trailed but Oshkosh hung tough for the first half trailing by only three points, 33-30. However the WARHAWKS made a 17-5 run to start the second half and built the lead to as many as 25 points before the final of 65-49. Kelsey Hendrickson found her touch from beyond the arch (5-8) and led all scorers with 21 points. Nicole Bundy also scored in double figures with 10 points. Tiffany Morton only took six shots and was held to a season low 6 ponts though she did pull down 9 rebounds to lead the team in that category. No Oshkosh player scored in double figures.
Surprisingly the stat sheet provided by the Oshkosh stats people last night indicated that Trisha Thill and Shannon Moore both played despite having graduated last year. ??? I did notice the official box score has been corrected however.
They also had Arin Lane playing for UWO......unless she is back with the team.
Is Arie Montgomery a new player for UWW? She was listed on the UWW roster by the UWO stat people.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 18, 2008, 11:05:15 PM
Post by: buf on December 18, 2008, 11:05:15 PM
Stout battles D2 #9 Mankato State but loses at the Johnson, 79-68.
River Falls falls at Hamline, 78-66
River Falls falls at Hamline, 78-66
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on December 19, 2008, 08:05:44 AM
Post by: LA RAMS on December 19, 2008, 08:05:44 AM
Was at the UWRF - Hamline game last night. Despite the loss, I was quite impressed with the hustle and never-say-die attitude the Falcons displayed last night. Looks like UWRF has a real gem in freshman post Taylor House who did a lot of damage down low last night. If UWRF can get consistent scoring from Hanson, Hilt, and Lardie, they could be very dangerous.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Quote from: buf on December 18, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
Is Arie Montgomery a new player for UWW? She was listed on the UWW roster by the UWO stat people.
We don't have a player by that name listed on our roster.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 20, 2008, 04:54:33 PM
Post by: buf on December 20, 2008, 04:54:33 PM
Stout falls to another D2 team, Augustana, 80-66
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 20, 2008, 06:36:50 PM
Post by: buf on December 20, 2008, 06:36:50 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2008, 11:39:22 AMQuote from: buf on December 18, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
Is Arie Montgomery a new player for UWW? She was listed on the UWW roster by the UWO stat people.
We don't have a player by that name listed on our roster.
They must have meant Chantel Burg
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2008, 12:16:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2008, 12:16:40 PM
I've got a feeling that Chantel Burg is going to be a very good player in our league. Our system is just right for her game.
The WARHAWKS rocked Rockford College how is that for clever in a game the was every bit as ugly as the final 82-35 score indicates. The WARHAWKS scored first and made a 22-2 run over the first 7 1/2 minutes before Rockford scored again. Leading by 37 at the half, 48-11, the WARHAWKS extended the lead into the forties in the first 3 1/2 minutes of the second half and Rockford never got closer. Tiffany Morton scored 20 points and Dana Thompson added 16 points to pace WHITEWATER. Fifteen players scored and the first eight in the rotation averaged less than 15 minutes on the floor. WHITEWATER, led by Heidi Sontag and Megan Schmidt with 5 apiece, outrebounded Rockford 47-34 which included 19 offensive rebounds and the team had 19 steals.
The WARHAWKS are off until Dec. 28th when they travel to Daytona to play Union (NY) and Calvin (MI)(12/30) in the Land of Magic Classic.
The WARHAWKS rocked Rockford College how is that for clever in a game the was every bit as ugly as the final 82-35 score indicates. The WARHAWKS scored first and made a 22-2 run over the first 7 1/2 minutes before Rockford scored again. Leading by 37 at the half, 48-11, the WARHAWKS extended the lead into the forties in the first 3 1/2 minutes of the second half and Rockford never got closer. Tiffany Morton scored 20 points and Dana Thompson added 16 points to pace WHITEWATER. Fifteen players scored and the first eight in the rotation averaged less than 15 minutes on the floor. WHITEWATER, led by Heidi Sontag and Megan Schmidt with 5 apiece, outrebounded Rockford 47-34 which included 19 offensive rebounds and the team had 19 steals.
The WARHAWKS are off until Dec. 28th when they travel to Daytona to play Union (NY) and Calvin (MI)(12/30) in the Land of Magic Classic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 27, 2008, 04:39:58 PM
Post by: buf on December 27, 2008, 04:39:58 PM
UWEC hammers UAA member Case Western 82-40. This one was never close.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 27, 2008, 07:11:20 PM
Post by: JMM on December 27, 2008, 07:11:20 PM
Witt spent the day in the"Witt Zone". Nice game Heather.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 27, 2008, 10:31:51 PM
Post by: JMM on December 27, 2008, 10:31:51 PM
Curious to see how WW does this week against Union and Calvin. Good vibes for the WIAC if they win big. Union could be pretty tough - almost beat #1 Rochester. Any predictions?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 28, 2008, 05:37:55 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 28, 2008, 05:37:55 PM
WHITEWATER (10-1) opened 2-0 on a lay up by Tiffany Morton. Union responded with a basket but a second layup by Morton put the WARHAWKS back on top and they never surrendered the lead after that beating Union (NY) (6-2) 79-68. WHITEWATER led 38-30 at half but Union made a 9-2 run to open the second half and close within one point, 40-39, with 17:46 remaining. Leading 58-53 with 10:03 on the clock the WARHAWKS made an 8-1 run and later pushed to lead to as many as 14 points before the game ended.
Morton led all scorers with 27 points and hauled down 16 rebounds. Nicole Bundy joined Morton with a double-double 18 points (3-6 on 3-pt), 10 rebounds. WHITEWATER out rebounded Union 47-36.
WHITEWATER returns to action Tuesday vs. Calvin (MI).
Morton led all scorers with 27 points and hauled down 16 rebounds. Nicole Bundy joined Morton with a double-double 18 points (3-6 on 3-pt), 10 rebounds. WHITEWATER out rebounded Union 47-36.
WHITEWATER returns to action Tuesday vs. Calvin (MI).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 28, 2008, 07:44:54 PM
Post by: buf on December 28, 2008, 07:44:54 PM
UWEC wins over host Otterbein in the championship game, 74-60. EC had a 10-15 point lead through most of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 29, 2008, 07:59:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 29, 2008, 07:59:41 AM
Stout by 19 over Manchester in the Posada Royale Tournament in Thousand Oaks, CA.
Hirssig leads all scorers with 20, Gerber and Stokke in double digits with 19 and 12 respectively. Edwards has 10 boards and Hirssig just misses the double double with 9.
Stout will take on John Carrol in the Championship game today.
Hirssig leads all scorers with 20, Gerber and Stokke in double digits with 19 and 12 respectively. Edwards has 10 boards and Hirssig just misses the double double with 9.
Stout will take on John Carrol in the Championship game today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2008, 04:03:44 PM
Post by: buf on December 30, 2008, 04:03:44 PM
Despite shooting 33% from the floor and 58% from the line, UWW wins over Calvin, 67-53. Looks like it was a sloppy game as both teams had 25 turnovers a piece. Morton had 19rebs. UWW had 24 offensive rebounds.
Stout lost their game with John Carroll yesterday in OT. I believe the score was 84-82.
Stout lost their game with John Carroll yesterday in OT. I believe the score was 84-82.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
The WARHAWKS (11-1) opened the game with a 12-0 run as it took Calvin (6-4) just under 4 minutes to put their first point on the board. But Calvin regrouped and though WW did lead by ten points at 7:24 they closed to within six points, 31-25, when the half ended. However the WARHAWKS took the lead to double figures at eleven points in the first three and half minutes of the second half and though Calvin got it to nine points on two occassions it grew to as many as sixteen before the game ended 67-53.
The WARHAWKS had four players finish in double figures led by Tiffany Morton who had her seventh double-double of the season with 14 points, 19 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson (13 points), Hiedi Sontag (11 points) and Nicole Bundy (10 points) also scored in double figures. The WARHAWKS outrebounded Calvin 49-33 including 24 on the offensive board. Both teams had problems controlling the ball as each finished with 25 turnovers.
The WARHAWKS had four players finish in double figures led by Tiffany Morton who had her seventh double-double of the season with 14 points, 19 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson (13 points), Hiedi Sontag (11 points) and Nicole Bundy (10 points) also scored in double figures. The WARHAWKS outrebounded Calvin 49-33 including 24 on the offensive board. Both teams had problems controlling the ball as each finished with 25 turnovers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2008, 04:52:48 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2008, 04:52:48 PM
Heard Edgewood gave UW-Stevens Point all they could handle until the Pointers finally pulled away late in the 2nd half. Edgewood's Megan Scheele still got her share of points, but per Edgewood release, it was Ashley Averkamp's turn to have a big-scoring night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWP SID on December 31, 2008, 06:28:10 PM
Post by: UWP SID on December 31, 2008, 06:28:10 PM
UW-Platteville plays host to UW-Stout Saturday, the first time the teams have met since the Blue Devils contributed $600 to the Shoot A Three for Bri campaign, helping Bri Klaas in her battle with cancer. To read more about the generous act, and an update on Bri (who I'm happy to report had 18 points Tuesday and 6 assists this afternoon): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/12-30klaas.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 31, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 31, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
Quote from: UWP SID on December 31, 2008, 06:28:10 PM
UW-Platteville plays host to UW-Stout Saturday, the first time the teams have met since the Blue Devils contributed $600 to the Shoot A Three for Bri campaign, helping Bri Klaas in her battle with cancer. To read more about the generous act, and an update on Bri (who I'm happy to report had 18 points Tuesday and 6 assists this afternoon): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/12-30klaas.html
I wasn't aware that Stout did that, but am not surprised that Coach Thomas would do that. He is really a class act and this shows he is as good a person as he is a coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 01, 2009, 08:36:44 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 01, 2009, 08:36:44 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 31, 2008, 08:09:35 PMQuote from: UWP SID on December 31, 2008, 06:28:10 PM
UW-Platteville plays host to UW-Stout Saturday, the first time the teams have met since the Blue Devils contributed $600 to the Shoot A Three for Bri campaign, helping Bri Klaas in her battle with cancer. To read more about the generous act, and an update on Bri (who I'm happy to report had 18 points Tuesday and 6 assists this afternoon): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/12-30klaas.html
I wasn't aware that Stout did that, but am not surprised that Coach Thomas would do that. He is really a class act and this shows he is as good a person as he is a coach.
Coach Thomas is a great coach, an outstanding person, and a good friend. Now, while I am down in Mexico for the next few weeks, someone needs to help me convince him to leave his best player on the court. BDB, Champ, somebody work with me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 01, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 01, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 01, 2009, 08:36:44 AMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 31, 2008, 08:09:35 PMQuote from: UWP SID on December 31, 2008, 06:28:10 PM
UW-Platteville plays host to UW-Stout Saturday, the first time the teams have met since the Blue Devils contributed $600 to the Shoot A Three for Bri campaign, helping Bri Klaas in her battle with cancer. To read more about the generous act, and an update on Bri (who I'm happy to report had 18 points Tuesday and 6 assists this afternoon): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/12-30klaas.html
I wasn't aware that Stout did that, but am not surprised that Coach Thomas would do that. He is really a class act and this shows he is as good a person as he is a coach.
Coach Thomas is a great coach, an outstanding person, and a good friend. Now, while I am down in Mexico for the next few weeks, someone needs to help me convince him to leave his best player on the court. BDB, Champ, somebody work with me.
I guess even coach Thomas is allowed one mistake.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 01, 2009, 12:36:58 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 01, 2009, 12:36:58 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 01, 2009, 08:36:44 AM
Coach Thomas is a great coach, an outstanding person, and a good friend. Now, while I am down in Mexico for the next few weeks, someone needs to help me convince him to leave his best player on the court. BDB, Champ, somebody work with me.
Maybe you should get your butt out of Mexico and get back up here... ;)
I won't be at the Platteville game - hosting Mrs. Champ's family Christmas on Saturday... :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 03, 2009, 08:50:57 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 03, 2009, 08:50:57 AM
Well, let's start the WIAC up again.... ;D
Games today:
UW-River Falls at UW-Whitewater 3:00 PM
UW-Stevens Point at UW-Oshkosh 3:00 PM
UW-Stout at UW-Platteville 3:00 PM
UW-Superior at UW-La Crosse 5:00 PM
Games today:
UW-River Falls at UW-Whitewater 3:00 PM
UW-Stevens Point at UW-Oshkosh 3:00 PM
UW-Stout at UW-Platteville 3:00 PM
UW-Superior at UW-La Crosse 5:00 PM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 03, 2009, 05:51:12 PM
Post by: buf on January 03, 2009, 05:51:12 PM
UWW over RF, 66-52. RF clearly outshoots UWW, but has 34 turnovers.
Point hammers UWO, 71-31. Only 31 points on your home court. C'mon
Point hammers UWO, 71-31. Only 31 points on your home court. C'mon
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 04, 2009, 05:58:53 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 04, 2009, 05:58:53 AM
Stout over the Pioneers, 73 - 52.
Hirssig dominates with 27 points, 10 boards and 2 steals. Edwards contributes 10 points, 7 boards and 2 steals.
Stacia Nemitz led the Pioneers with a double double - 14 points and 13 boards. Nemitz's older sister played for Stout - wish she would have followed her sister...
In the other WIAC game, UWL downs Superior 78 - 51.
Hirssig dominates with 27 points, 10 boards and 2 steals. Edwards contributes 10 points, 7 boards and 2 steals.
Stacia Nemitz led the Pioneers with a double double - 14 points and 13 boards. Nemitz's older sister played for Stout - wish she would have followed her sister...
In the other WIAC game, UWL downs Superior 78 - 51.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 04, 2009, 01:50:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 04, 2009, 01:50:01 PM
Both WHITEWATER and River Falls started poorly. WHITEWATER because they were shooting poorly and RF because they were turning the ball over and not getting shots. After about 2 minutes RF scored first, one of three 2 point leads they would have in the half, but the WARHAWKS answered when Hiedi Sontag scored three points the old fashioned way. RF's last lead was 9-7 with 13:34 on the clock. WHITEWATER finished the half with a 23-8 scoring run and a 13 point lead, 30-17, when the half ended. WHITEWATER shot just 27% from the floor but took 21 more shots than the Falcons who shot 46% from the floor. WHITEWATER scored the first 7 points of the second half to go up 20 and 13 points is as close as RF got after that.
Both teams had problems controlling the ball as the two combined for 54 turnovers. RF had 34 to the WARHAWKS 20. Though the Falcon did outshoot the WARHAWKS percentwise the 21 more shots taken in the half was the difference as both teams took 27 shots and each made 13 in the second half. Those were largely the product of RF turnovers and solid offensive rebounding by the WARHAWKS who finished the game with 19 offensive boards to only 14 on the defensive side.
Tiffany Morton led all scorers with 23 points. She also recorded 9 rebounds, 5 blocks and 3 assists. Kelsey Hendrickson finished in double figures with 14 points. Alise Holst led River Falls with 16 points and Tiffany Gregorich added 14. RF had match up problems with WHITEWATER'S post players, Morton and Dana Thompson, who shot 16 of the 20 free throws attempted.
Both teams had problems controlling the ball as the two combined for 54 turnovers. RF had 34 to the WARHAWKS 20. Though the Falcon did outshoot the WARHAWKS percentwise the 21 more shots taken in the half was the difference as both teams took 27 shots and each made 13 in the second half. Those were largely the product of RF turnovers and solid offensive rebounding by the WARHAWKS who finished the game with 19 offensive boards to only 14 on the defensive side.
Tiffany Morton led all scorers with 23 points. She also recorded 9 rebounds, 5 blocks and 3 assists. Kelsey Hendrickson finished in double figures with 14 points. Alise Holst led River Falls with 16 points and Tiffany Gregorich added 14. RF had match up problems with WHITEWATER'S post players, Morton and Dana Thompson, who shot 16 of the 20 free throws attempted.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 05, 2009, 12:44:58 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 05, 2009, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
The WARHAWKS never trailed but Oshkosh hung tough for the first half trailing by only three points, 33-30. However the WARHAWKS made a 17-5 run to start the second half and built the lead to as many as 25 points before the final of 65-49. Kelsey Hendrickson found her touch from beyond the arch (5-8) and led all scorers with 21 points. Nicole Bundy also scored in double figures with 10 points. Tiffany Morton only took six shots and was held to a season low 6 ponts though she did pull down 9 rebounds to lead the team in that category. No Oshkosh player scored in double figures.
Surprisingly the stat sheet provided by the Oshkosh stats people last night indicated that Trisha Thill and Shannon Moore both played despite having graduated last year. ??? I did notice the official box score has been corrected however.
That was from the roster downloaded from WW. Quite the fun time trying to get everything situated during and after the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 05, 2009, 08:40:41 PM
Post by: buf on January 05, 2009, 08:40:41 PM
3 WIAC teams in the Top 10:
UWEC is #3
UWW is #4
UWSP is #10
UWEC jumped UWW.
UWEC is #3
UWW is #4
UWSP is #10
UWEC jumped UWW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 06, 2009, 12:32:53 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 06, 2009, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: buf on January 05, 2009, 08:40:41 PM
3 WIAC teams in the Top 10:
UWEC is #3
UWW is #4
UWSP is #10
UWEC jumped UWW.
I think the pollsters got it right this week having EC higher than WW. We'll find out for sure on Saturday though :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 06, 2009, 11:32:51 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 06, 2009, 11:32:51 AM
Does anyone know the situation with Wahl from UW-L. I see she didn't play Saturday. Just wondering if it is an injury or something else. They are going to need her tomorrow night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
Some halftime scores:
UWP 30
UWO 28
RF 19
Point 38
UWW 36
UWL 25
Upset watch...
EC 23
Sup 25
EC needs to start making their layups/close shots. Superior is playing well.
UWP 30
UWO 28
RF 19
Point 38
UWW 36
UWL 25
Upset watch...
EC 23
Sup 25
EC needs to start making their layups/close shots. Superior is playing well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:27:16 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:27:16 PM
EC in trouble, down 3 with 7min left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
EC and Sup tied at 41, 4min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
EC up by 1 with 2min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:46:24 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 09:46:24 PM
EC up 48-43, 30sec left, Sup ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 10:10:05 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 10:10:05 PM
EC wins 48-43
Point over RF, 71-51
UWW over UWL, 70-61
Point over RF, 71-51
UWW over UWL, 70-61
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 10:12:38 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 10:12:38 PM
UWP wins at UWO, 76-70 in OT
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 11:21:08 PM
Post by: buf on January 07, 2009, 11:21:08 PM
EC avoids a huge upset with a close win at Superior, 48-43. The defense pulls it out for the Golds. Allowing a team to only score 43 on their home court is fantastic. Superior even got some prayers answered on some shots. The offense did not look good at all. EC shot 31% from the floor and from watching it, it looked worse. I will give credit to Superior, they did play tough defense. EC needs to rev up the offense if they want to compete at UWW this Saturday. It would be nice if another player besides Witt, Heidi A, or Mesick would step up offensively. Witt once again leads EC with 16pts & 4 steals. Hopefully this was just a bad game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 08, 2009, 12:13:30 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 08, 2009, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: buf on January 07, 2009, 11:21:08 PM
EC avoids a huge upset with a close win at Superior, 48-43. The defense pulls it out for the Golds. Allowing a team to only score 43 on their home court is fantastic. Superior even got some prayers answered on some shots. The offense did not look good at all. EC shot 31% from the floor and from watching it, it looked worse. I will give credit to Superior, they did play tough defense. EC needs to rev up the offense if they want to compete at UWW this Saturday. It would be nice if another player besides Witt, Heidi A, or Mesick would step up offensively. Witt once again leads EC with 16pts & 4 steals. Hopefully this was just a bad game.
I would be willing to bet just a little bump in the road rather than a show of their true grit. Least they got the win and set up a showdown on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
WHITEWATER 70 LaCrosse 61
Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 18 points and 14 rebounds in 26 minutes of playing time. The points pushed Morton's three year career total to over 1000 points (1006) as she became the eighth player in school history to reach that mark. The double-double was Morton's eighth of the season. WHITEWATER scored first on a Morton layup and never trailed in the game building the lead to as many as 17 points on three occassions in the first half before settling into an 11 point lead, 36-25, when it ended. The WARHAWKS started the second half with an 11-2 run to go up by 20 points before LaCrosse rallied cutting the lead to 7 points on three occassions before the final horn sounded.
In addition to Morton the WARHAWKS got double figure points from Heidi Sontag (14), Rachel Woolever (12, 4-7 three-pointers) and Megan Schmidt (12). The WARHAWKS out rebounded LaCrosse 40-32 including 16 offensive rebounds. WHITEWATER went 20-23 from the free throw line.
McKenzie Hunter had a great night for LaCrosse scoring 30 points and pulling down 8 rebounds. She played 38 minutes of the game. Lyndsay Wahl also scored in double figures with 15 points.
Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 18 points and 14 rebounds in 26 minutes of playing time. The points pushed Morton's three year career total to over 1000 points (1006) as she became the eighth player in school history to reach that mark. The double-double was Morton's eighth of the season. WHITEWATER scored first on a Morton layup and never trailed in the game building the lead to as many as 17 points on three occassions in the first half before settling into an 11 point lead, 36-25, when it ended. The WARHAWKS started the second half with an 11-2 run to go up by 20 points before LaCrosse rallied cutting the lead to 7 points on three occassions before the final horn sounded.
In addition to Morton the WARHAWKS got double figure points from Heidi Sontag (14), Rachel Woolever (12, 4-7 three-pointers) and Megan Schmidt (12). The WARHAWKS out rebounded LaCrosse 40-32 including 16 offensive rebounds. WHITEWATER went 20-23 from the free throw line.
McKenzie Hunter had a great night for LaCrosse scoring 30 points and pulling down 8 rebounds. She played 38 minutes of the game. Lyndsay Wahl also scored in double figures with 15 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 08, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 08, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: buf on January 05, 2009, 08:40:41 PM
3 WIAC teams in the Top 10:
UWEC is #3
UWW is #4
UWSP is #10
UWEC jumped UWW.
Always good to see 3 WIAC teams in the top 25, but in the top 10 is just awesome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 08, 2009, 05:27:02 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 08, 2009, 05:27:02 PM
I expect EC, ranked in the top 25 in the nation, figured Superior, with no conference wins in how long?, would be a pushover team. The fact is, Superior has some decent players. One of the better players hasn't been very effective the past couple of games, but another player--who I personally thought sucked (can I say that?) at the beginning of the year--is starting to turn in some decent halves. I think Superior women will take their lumps, but I also think they're going to play some good games. It sure would be nice to win a game here and there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 08, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 08, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 08, 2009, 05:27:02 PM
I expect EC, ranked in the top 25 in the nation, figured Superior, with no conference wins in how long?
phoenix
How quickly you forget...
1/16/2008 against UWRF - The Yellowjackets won 80 - 72... ;)
And the year before, they had 2 wins - 1/13/2007 against UWL and then again on 2/10/2007 against Platteville!
Boy, they sure missed an opportunity for a near historic win the other night!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 08, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 08, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
EC has struggled up there in the past. Remember when SUP had EC dead to rights, but Rachel Becker hit a half-court shot for the win. I'm sure Superior remembers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 08, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
Post by: buf on January 08, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 08, 2009, 08:14:34 PM
EC has struggled up there in the past. Remember when SUP had EC dead to rights, but Rachel Becker hit a half-court shot for the win. I'm sure Superior remembers.
I remember! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2009, 12:11:54 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2009, 12:11:54 PM
Wow. You're right; the mind is going fast. Again, senility is not all it's cracked up to be.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 09, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 09, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
Not to be overdramatic, but that was one of those games that had Superior won, it might have drastically altered the direction of their program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2009, 07:27:43 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2009, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 09, 2009, 12:11:54 PM
Wow. You're right; the mind is going fast. Again, senility is not all it's cracked up to be.
I'm right there with you, girl... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 09, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
Post by: JMM on January 09, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
More comments on the EC Superior game. EC was flat, flat, flat. Well the upset floated in the air, Superior was never able to break away because of EC defense. That is why there was no upset. The refs were as flat as EC. Seemed like there were many superior slapping fouls when EC shot that were not called. Also there were 15-17 jump balls - some of these were Superior fouls. I guess the refs let 'em play but tis probably worked against EC. Finally EC is a very mature team who never had any panic about losing (Can't say the same for Englund - looked pretty worried in the last 4 minutes).
EC and WW should be interesting. Need to hold Morton down like they did Hirssig. Need to watch those WW 3 pointers. If Archie is on (she was not on against Superior - looked tired and out of sinc) and if Witt goes into the "Witt Zone", EC has a chance. The real key is if Messick hits 60% of her shots. Look for a lot of A.A. for that physical game on Morton. EC will eventually lose. It is a case of here or SP.
If EC wins, look out. The bus will be rocking all the way home on I-94. WIAC Women's basketball is absolutely the best DIII in the USA. Must be all that cheese.
EC and WW should be interesting. Need to hold Morton down like they did Hirssig. Need to watch those WW 3 pointers. If Archie is on (she was not on against Superior - looked tired and out of sinc) and if Witt goes into the "Witt Zone", EC has a chance. The real key is if Messick hits 60% of her shots. Look for a lot of A.A. for that physical game on Morton. EC will eventually lose. It is a case of here or SP.
If EC wins, look out. The bus will be rocking all the way home on I-94. WIAC Women's basketball is absolutely the best DIII in the USA. Must be all that cheese.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 09, 2009, 11:45:52 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 09, 2009, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 09, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
The refs were as flat as EC. Seemed like there were many superior slapping fouls when EC shot that were not called. Also there were 15-17 jump balls - some of these were Superior fouls. I guess the refs let 'em play but tis probably worked against EC.
The WIAC has some very poor officials. Many are not professional or care to enforce all the rules like hand-checking. I am a fan of let them play, but as soon as a player takes a distinct advantage because of the rules not being enforced, there is a problem. Many of the bad officials happen to be men who act as if they are too skilled to be officiating D3 women's basketball. I am not sure if I feel this way because I used to officiate and tried to treat people with respect and enforce the rules or another reason. I think without a doubt that Michelle Miller and Jodi Duffe are two of the top officials in the league.
I'll drop it for now. Just have a little ref flare up every now and then. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 10, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
"Michelle Miller" and "top official" have never been used in the same sentence before. Of all the shaky officials in the league she's one of the worst.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2009, 02:41:45 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2009, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 09, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
More comments on the EC Superior game. EC was flat, flat, flat. Well the upset floated in the air, Superior was never able to break away because of EC defense. That is why there was no upset. The refs were as flat as EC. Seemed like there were many superior slapping fouls when EC shot that were not called. Also there were 15-17 jump balls - some of these were Superior fouls. I guess the refs let 'em play but tis probably worked against EC. Finally EC is a very mature team who never had any panic about losing (Can't say the same for Englund - looked pretty worried in the last 4 minutes).
EC and WW should be interesting. Need to hold Morton down like they did Hirssig. Need to watch those WW 3 pointers. If Archie is on (she was not on against Superior - looked tired and out of sinc) and if Witt goes into the "Witt Zone", EC has a chance. The real key is if Messick hits 60% of her shots. Look for a lot of A.A. for that physical game on Morton. EC will eventually lose. It is a case of here or SP.
If EC wins, look out. The bus will be rocking all the way home on I-94. WIAC Women's basketball is absolutely the best DIII in the USA. Must be all that cheese.
So the referees only made mistakes that worked against Eau Claire?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 07:14:04 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 07:14:04 PM
UWW up at the half, 34-24. UWW is 5-6 from 3-land. EC's centers are 2-12 from the field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 07:44:08 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 07:44:08 PM
UWW leads EC 55-48 with 6min left. Witt has been on the bench almost all of the 2nd half with 4 fouls. EC is playing better this half. UWW is just shooting too well from the perimeter.
Halftime score:
Point 30
UWP 14
UWP had only 1 made FG for the first 19:49 of the first half.
Halftime score:
Point 30
UWP 14
UWP had only 1 made FG for the first 19:49 of the first half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 08:04:24 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 08:04:24 PM
UWW wins 73-61 over UWEC. It was a 5-point game with a minute left. EC did a good job on Morton in the 1st half, but she got her points in the 2nd. EC seemed to play a lot better than on Wednesday, especially considering that Heidi A didn't shoot too well and that Witt was on the bench for most of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 08:12:11 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 08:12:11 PM
Superior gave UWO a good game at Kolf, but UWO pulls it out 75-67. It looks like the UWO bench really stepped up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
Despite 21pts and 16rebs from Hirssig, Stout falls to UWL, 75-56.
Point about to finish out UWP, leading 60-33 with 5min left.
Point about to finish out UWP, leading 60-33 with 5min left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 10, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on January 10, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
Thanks for the updates buf.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Love those Blue Golds but hats off to WW. Love those WIAC Women. Great conference, Great competiton and excitment. We'll be ready in EC in a few weeks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
Eau Claire led for the first seven minutes before the WARHAWKS went ahead 12-9 and built the lead to as many as 14 points prior to the half ending with them up by 10 points, 34-24. After taking the lead the WARHAWKS never trailed in the game though they never led by more than 8 points before pairs of free throws by Kelsey Hendrickson and Nicole Bundy in the final :28 put them up by final 12 point difference, 73-61.
Kelsey Hendrickson and Tiffany Morton each scored 19 points for the WARHAWKS. Hendrickson went 3-5 from beyond the arch and Morton led the team with 8 rebounds. Free throws played a significant role in the outcome as the WARHAWKS went 23-31 and Eau Claire 9-12.
Mesick and Anderson played very physical in the low post. Arciszewski led Eau Claire with 18 points and 7 rebounds. Aggressive defense from the WARHAWK guards kept Witt from finding the "Witt Zone" and held her to just 5 points on 2-7 shooting.
It was a funny game with WHITEWATER never having quite enough to put Eau Claire away and Eau Claire never having quite enough to go ahead.
Kelsey Hendrickson and Tiffany Morton each scored 19 points for the WARHAWKS. Hendrickson went 3-5 from beyond the arch and Morton led the team with 8 rebounds. Free throws played a significant role in the outcome as the WARHAWKS went 23-31 and Eau Claire 9-12.
Mesick and Anderson played very physical in the low post. Arciszewski led Eau Claire with 18 points and 7 rebounds. Aggressive defense from the WARHAWK guards kept Witt from finding the "Witt Zone" and held her to just 5 points on 2-7 shooting.
It was a funny game with WHITEWATER never having quite enough to put Eau Claire away and Eau Claire never having quite enough to go ahead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 12, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 12, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
Huge week for Stout. With Point and WW coming to town they have a chance to really shake up the top of the conference standings.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 12, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 10, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
"Michelle Miller" and "top official" have never been used in the same sentence before. Of all the shaky officials in the league she's one of the worst.
Agreed there. When you have a game called "The Michelle Miller Game" referenced at a certain WIAC school, it can't be a good thing. In fact, I think she's signing scorebooks now as Mickey Miller.
My concern with the officiating is when one official makes 75% of the calls. There are refs out there that I have seen blow their whistle a mere 4-5 times in a whole game. And if I hear one more official utter the phrase, "Not my call, coach." when asked about a call/non-call, I'm going to just flip out.
That being said, I have figured out something that had been bugging me for a long time. I'm guessing that in 2009, it is now OK to call 3-seconds again. It sure wasn't in 2008. But that explains a lot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 12, 2009, 11:18:42 PM
Post by: buf on January 12, 2009, 11:18:42 PM
This week's Top 25 WIAC teams:
#3-UWW
#6-UWEC
#8-Point
UWL is receiving votes
#3-UWW
#6-UWEC
#8-Point
UWL is receiving votes
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 12, 2009, 11:48:52 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 12, 2009, 11:48:52 PM
Quote from: buf on January 12, 2009, 11:18:42 PM
This week's Top 25 WIAC teams:
#3-UWW
#6-UWEC
#8-Point
UWL is receiving votes
Hope they can all get in the NCAA tournament, but who knows!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 12, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
Huge week for Stout. With Point and WW coming to town they have a chance to really shake up the top of the conference standings.
They will need to play a LOT better than they played in LaCrosse last Saturday, if they are going to shake up the standings.
They just didn't seem in sync. I'm not taking anything away from UWL, though, they played a very good game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 13, 2009, 10:32:46 PM
Post by: buf on January 13, 2009, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 12, 2009, 11:48:52 PMQuote from: buf on January 12, 2009, 11:18:42 PM
This week's Top 25 WIAC teams:
#3-UWW
#6-UWEC
#8-Point
UWL is receiving votes
Hope they can all get in the NCAA tournament, but who knows!
They all did last season.
Generally, (for WIAC women's teams) you want to have 4 or less regional losses going into the conference tourney. Its a pretty safe bet that 5 regional losses would give you a Pool C Bid. Six losses is a toss up. If you have played a tough regional non-confernece schedule, I would slightly give the team the advantage of getting in. Seven losses is looking doubtful. A lot depends on other teams and how many upsets occur in conference tourneys.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2009, 09:46:22 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2009, 09:46:22 PM
Stout leads at the half, 24 - 18, but Point explodes in the second half and wins 63 - 54.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
Post by: buf on January 14, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
UWEC over UWO, 59-44. Ugly first half by UWO, ugly second half by UWEC. If EC wants to make a run at the conference title, they need to do better offensively.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 14, 2009, 10:46:07 PM
Post by: buf on January 14, 2009, 10:46:07 PM
Other scores not mentioned:
UWL over UWP, 72-62
RF over Sup, 72-59
UWL over UWP, 72-62
RF over Sup, 72-59
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Wow, impressive win for Point at Johnson Fieldhouse. That place has been a house of horrors for the Pointers. If I'm not mistaken that's only like two UWSP wins there in the last 15 years or so.
Really, any visiting team win at Johnson Fieldhouse is impressive. That place is tough.
Really, any visiting team win at Johnson Fieldhouse is impressive. That place is tough.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 15, 2009, 01:24:47 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 15, 2009, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Wow, impressive win for Point at Johnson Fieldhouse. That place has been a house of horrors for the Pointers. If I'm not mistaken that's only like two UWSP wins there in the last 15 years or so.
Really, any visiting team win at Johnson Fieldhouse is impressive. That place is tough.
I'd say. I think the stat is that Stout was something like 72-8 there in the last 8 years against conference foes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2009, 03:42:04 PM
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2009, 03:42:04 PM
Few quick comments for better or for worse:
Heard the EC got "hosed" by the refs and if Witt played more (because of less fouls) EC would have prevailed - open to opinions on this.
Stout will prevail this Saturday at home against WW. Still think WW will lose a few more. It's time to let Hirssig play and play and play and play. She is an all American Mark - let her go do what she does so well ALL game. Must be saving her for the playoffs. Heard she may transfer to EC (hah hah).
RF could give EC trouble at Zorn Sweet Zorn. Be careful EC. EC does seem to really be focusing on there great defense and moving up even another notch - it stiffled OsK in the first half - I mean nada for OsK. EC is also very focused on moving the ball around. It looks good, they do it great BUT they are not going to the basket. Can't win if you don't go to the basket. H. Archie is not getting baseline with the new new set up.
To me SP is the team to beat in this conference.
Enuff for now
Heard the EC got "hosed" by the refs and if Witt played more (because of less fouls) EC would have prevailed - open to opinions on this.
Stout will prevail this Saturday at home against WW. Still think WW will lose a few more. It's time to let Hirssig play and play and play and play. She is an all American Mark - let her go do what she does so well ALL game. Must be saving her for the playoffs. Heard she may transfer to EC (hah hah).
RF could give EC trouble at Zorn Sweet Zorn. Be careful EC. EC does seem to really be focusing on there great defense and moving up even another notch - it stiffled OsK in the first half - I mean nada for OsK. EC is also very focused on moving the ball around. It looks good, they do it great BUT they are not going to the basket. Can't win if you don't go to the basket. H. Archie is not getting baseline with the new new set up.
To me SP is the team to beat in this conference.
Enuff for now
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 17, 2009, 08:58:01 PM
Post by: buf on January 17, 2009, 08:58:01 PM
EC holds off a pesky RF team, 55-51. Again, the defense pulls through after another lackluster offensive performance. RF shoots only 27% for the game. EC shot 40% for the game, but almost all of their points had to come from either points in the paint or on FTs. I only recall one FG in the 2nd half coming from outside the paint (a Witt 3). EC needs to find the shooting confidence that they displayed early on this season. The last few games it has just been ice cold.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 17, 2009, 09:05:04 PM
Post by: buf on January 17, 2009, 09:05:04 PM
Other games from today:
UWL nips UWO, 52-48, despite Hunter and Wahl going a combined 8-30 on FGs.
Point hammers Superior by 30-some points
UWW comes from behind to defeat Stout 69-63. Morton with 20pts, 11rebs, 6blks
UWL nips UWO, 52-48, despite Hunter and Wahl going a combined 8-30 on FGs.
Point hammers Superior by 30-some points
UWW comes from behind to defeat Stout 69-63. Morton with 20pts, 11rebs, 6blks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on January 17, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
Post by: bgbacker on January 17, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
EC jumps out to 19-5 lead ... then hangs on for the "W". RF really caused EC's veteran guards some problems with their press.
Mesick is coming on ...they need to get her more touches. Archie hits clutch free throws at the end or this one goes in the "L" column.
It should be a great game Wed. at Berg.
Mesick is coming on ...they need to get her more touches. Archie hits clutch free throws at the end or this one goes in the "L" column.
It should be a great game Wed. at Berg.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 18, 2009, 12:16:35 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 18, 2009, 12:16:35 PM
Quote from: bgbacker on January 17, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
EC jumps out to 19-5 lead ... then hangs on for the "W". RF really caused EC's veteran guards some problems with their press.
Mesick is coming on ...they need to get her more touches. Archie hits clutch free throws at the end or this one goes in the "L" column.
It should be a great game Wed. at Berg.
It should be a great game, for sure. I see Tonja figuring out a way. Don't worry about me, though, I will be on that favorite bus ride to Superior. Imagine my welcome back yesterday to this great climate. Two Blue Devil losses, and then, during my absense someone doing the teaser for our sat. show pointing out on the air that I am not, in fact, the guy making it happen, after all. 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2009, 01:44:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2009, 01:44:41 PM
I feel really bad for you, Stoutguy. A double-hitter loss and the realization that you're not the guy making things happen had to hurt. ;D
The WARHAWKS and Blue Devil played a classic game. The first half featured six ties and seven lead changes. Stout's largest lead was ten points with just over twelve minutes remaining. But the WARHAWKS rallied to take a one point lead with 2:25 on the clock. However Stout responded to lead 39-36 at the half. Stout held the lead and built it ten points during the first twelve minutes of the second half before a three point basket by Hiedi Sontag put the WARHAWKS on top by one point, 53-52. From that point on the two teams saw the lead change five times and five ties. WHITEWATER finally took a lead they would not surrender, 64-63, at the 3:18 mark on a pair of free throws by Rachael Woolever. After Stout missed three shots and had a turnover Kelsey Hendrickson hit a three-pointer with :55 seconds on the clock to make it a two possession difference and a pair of free throws from Nicole Bundy provided the final six point spread 69-63. Stout missed it's final seven shots and turned the ball over twice in the final three and half minutes.
Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 20 points, 11 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. The double-double was Morton's ninth of the season. Bundy and Hendrickson each added 10 points with 5 and 6 rebounds respectively. Hendrickson added 5 assists and 3 steals.
Charlee Edwards paced Stout with 17 points.
It was a big win for the WARHAWKS in a gym which until last year has been a house of horrors.
The WARHAWKS and Blue Devil played a classic game. The first half featured six ties and seven lead changes. Stout's largest lead was ten points with just over twelve minutes remaining. But the WARHAWKS rallied to take a one point lead with 2:25 on the clock. However Stout responded to lead 39-36 at the half. Stout held the lead and built it ten points during the first twelve minutes of the second half before a three point basket by Hiedi Sontag put the WARHAWKS on top by one point, 53-52. From that point on the two teams saw the lead change five times and five ties. WHITEWATER finally took a lead they would not surrender, 64-63, at the 3:18 mark on a pair of free throws by Rachael Woolever. After Stout missed three shots and had a turnover Kelsey Hendrickson hit a three-pointer with :55 seconds on the clock to make it a two possession difference and a pair of free throws from Nicole Bundy provided the final six point spread 69-63. Stout missed it's final seven shots and turned the ball over twice in the final three and half minutes.
Tiffany Morton led the WARHAWKS with 20 points, 11 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. The double-double was Morton's ninth of the season. Bundy and Hendrickson each added 10 points with 5 and 6 rebounds respectively. Hendrickson added 5 assists and 3 steals.
Charlee Edwards paced Stout with 17 points.
It was a big win for the WARHAWKS in a gym which until last year has been a house of horrors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 19, 2009, 07:07:11 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 19, 2009, 07:07:11 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2009, 01:44:41 PMIt was a big win for the WARHAWKS in a gym which until last year has been a house of horrors.
I thought it was a house of horrors on Saturday... :'(
The Warhawks played tough the whole game, but I still thought that the Lady Blue Devils had a good shot up until that last 3 pointer by Hendrickson with less than a minute to go.
That changed the whole dynamic of the game at that point. It was a CLUTCH shot!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2009, 10:38:24 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2009, 10:38:24 AM
Kelsey has been struggling a bit this year from beyond the arch. Her point average is nearly identical to last year but her 3 point shooting is down. She's still shooting a respectable .369 but last year it was .460. She's picked up the pace these past few games and Saturday's shot was clutch so hopefully she's back on track. Hitting the outside shots brings the defense out and gives Morton more space inside. Obviously that is critical to our success.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on January 19, 2009, 01:47:06 PM
Post by: voice on January 19, 2009, 01:47:06 PM
Key statistic from the UWW at Stout game...
Stout does not score a field goal in the final 4:59 of the game.
Stout does not score a field goal in the final 4:59 of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 19, 2009, 05:04:38 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 19, 2009, 05:04:38 PM
Hey BW,
Just wondering if you have some free time and can crunch the eff. numbers from the key performers from the teams who went undefeated this week.
I would assume Hunter (LC), Morton (WW), Webber (SP) and Witt (EC) would be nominated from their teams for player of the week. I wonder who would win the award just based on the eff. number.
Just wondering if you have some free time and can crunch the eff. numbers from the key performers from the teams who went undefeated this week.
I would assume Hunter (LC), Morton (WW), Webber (SP) and Witt (EC) would be nominated from their teams for player of the week. I wonder who would win the award just based on the eff. number.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on January 19, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
Post by: bgbacker on January 19, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
Stoutguy -
I just said that I always thought you "carried" Jason ... but at least last week he had an "A" Day .... be assured he doesn't have that many of those...so, bottom line, he still needs you!!
I just said that I always thought you "carried" Jason ... but at least last week he had an "A" Day .... be assured he doesn't have that many of those...so, bottom line, he still needs you!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2009, 08:09:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2009, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 19, 2009, 05:04:38 PM
Hey BW,
Just wondering if you have some free time and can crunch the eff. numbers from the key performers from the teams who went undefeated this week.
I would assume Hunter (LC), Morton (WW), Webber (SP) and Witt (EC) would be nominated from their teams for player of the week. I wonder who would win the award just based on the eff. number.
Ok, it'll only take a few minutes.
Hunter: 1/14 vs Platteville....+25
1/17 vs Oshkosh....+10
Total.......................+35
Webber: 1/14 vs Stout........+16
1/17 vs Superior..+21
Total.....................+37
Witt: 1/14 vs Oshkosh.........+22
1/17 vs River Falls......+11
Total...........................+33
Morton: 1/10 vs Eau Claire...+19
1/17 vs Stout..........+28
Total........................+47
Morton didn't play on January 14th (WHITEWATER had the bye) but for purposes of comparison I used the last two games played by each player. Morton's one game performance on 1/17 exceeded the single game performances of each of the other three for either date.
My vote goes to Morton. Of course I am a homer. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 19, 2009, 08:23:30 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 19, 2009, 08:23:30 PM
I also assume that Morton would win the award before the numbers were crunched. I think this could be one of the hardest selections this season. I wouldn't fuss much about any of those players winning the award this week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 09:23:53 AM
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 09:23:53 AM
my vote is for morton!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 20, 2009, 09:14:40 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 20, 2009, 09:14:40 PM
Me too. She had plenty to do with Stout not getting a bucket the last 5 minutes. She blocked 6 shots and really intimidated Stout's inside game. She is a great player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buckets on January 20, 2009, 11:00:38 PM
Post by: buckets on January 20, 2009, 11:00:38 PM
Wow. Just went to Kolf thinking the Titans could pick up a (much needed) win against Carroll College. Carroll flat outplayed them in the 2nd half. Oshkosh had a nice (not great, but nice) first half. But they came out of the break and looked lethargic and out of sync. The Hoewisch kid could not be stopped in the 2nd half and buried the Titans.
Coming into the game, I thought about mediocrity. However, this isn't mediocrity. The Titans are bad. I think that there needs to be a serious re-evaluation of the queen bee there. What a proud tradition of dominance that is being - check that - has been dismantled.
I vow to not step foot in that facility again until something (drastic) is done. I can't stand it.
Coming into the game, I thought about mediocrity. However, this isn't mediocrity. The Titans are bad. I think that there needs to be a serious re-evaluation of the queen bee there. What a proud tradition of dominance that is being - check that - has been dismantled.
I vow to not step foot in that facility again until something (drastic) is done. I can't stand it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
Morton it is.......http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/athweek.htm
She joins UW-LaCrosse's Mckenzie Hunter as a two time player of the week.
She joins UW-LaCrosse's Mckenzie Hunter as a two time player of the week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 21, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 21, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
Quote from: buckets on January 20, 2009, 11:00:38 PM
Wow. Just went to Kolf thinking the Titans could pick up a (much needed) win against Carroll College. Carroll flat outplayed them in the 2nd half. Oshkosh had a nice (not great, but nice) first half. But they came out of the break and looked lethargic and out of sync. The Hoewisch kid could not be stopped in the 2nd half and buried the Titans.
Coming into the game, I thought about mediocrity. However, this isn't mediocrity. The Titans are bad. I think that there needs to be a serious re-evaluation of the queen bee there. What a proud tradition of dominance that is being - check that - has been dismantled.
I vow to not step foot in that facility again until something (drastic) is done. I can't stand it.
I wonder what happened to Pugh from Oshkosh. I see she didn't play last night. Just wondering if she is hurt or she wasn't even on the bench last night. I know they lost a player early in the season so just wondering.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 21, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 21, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
No live stats on the Stout/Superior game - but the final was 76 - 73. Tried watching it on the computer, but I had too many problems with the video feed.
In other action...
UW-Stevens Point 66, UW-Eau Claire 60 at Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater 76, UW-Platteville 62 at Whitewater
UW-La Crosse 71, UW-River Falls 54 at La Crosse
Stout was the only victorious road warrior this evening, but UWS put up a solid effort!
In other action...
UW-Stevens Point 66, UW-Eau Claire 60 at Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater 76, UW-Platteville 62 at Whitewater
UW-La Crosse 71, UW-River Falls 54 at La Crosse
Stout was the only victorious road warrior this evening, but UWS put up a solid effort!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
WHITEWATER scored first but Platteville took the lead 6-4 and built it to as many as 8 points twice before the half ended with the Pioneer up 36-32. Two 3-pointers by Megan Thuene and another from Nicole Bundy kept the WARHAWKS close. Early foul trouble by Tiffany Morton kept her on the bench for all but 5 minutes of the half. With her off the floor Platteville held a commanding 26-15 edge in rebounds including 10 on the offensive end. The second half was a different story. After Grantman made a basket to put Platteville up by 6 points the WARHAWKS forced four consecutive turnovers with their full court press scoring on the first three to take the lead 41-38 which was the closest the Pioneer would get for the rest of the game. The WARHAWKS shot a sizzling 60% from the floor in the half and built the lead to a high of 19 points, 76-57, with 1:18 remaining before Plateville cut into it against subs to finish 14 down, 76-62.
Morton and Dana Thompson paced WHITEWATER with 12 points each. Thompson had 8 rebounds and Morton 7. Hiedi Sontag also finished in double figures with 11 points. Kelsey Hendrickson dished out 8 assists.
Charity Stotmeister led Platteville with 14 points. Dru Schneider had 10 rebounds and 5 assists to go with her 11 points.
Morton and Dana Thompson paced WHITEWATER with 12 points each. Thompson had 8 rebounds and Morton 7. Hiedi Sontag also finished in double figures with 11 points. Kelsey Hendrickson dished out 8 assists.
Charity Stotmeister led Platteville with 14 points. Dru Schneider had 10 rebounds and 5 assists to go with her 11 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2009, 07:25:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 22, 2009, 07:25:47 AM
Stats are up this morning for the Stout game...
Superior shot 54.2% overall, and 53.3 on 3 point attempts - making 8 of 15 3 pointers!!!
Hirssig led all scorers with 26 points and was the only player to have double digits on rebounds with 13. Edwards added 16 points for the Devils.
The Yellow Jackets had 3 players in double digits - Houser, Davis and Petersen with 18, 16 and 11 respectively. Petersen fouled out with 2:32 to go in the game with the scored 71 for Stout and 65 for Superior. The Jackets kept things close right up to the end, with Davis making a layup with :07 left in the game to make the final score 76 -73.
This very young Superior squad is changing the expectations for the future. Houser and Davis are freshman, while Petersen is a sophomore. The other two starters are Zavodny, also a freshman, and Thingfold, a sophomore. The 6th woman is Gosson, also a freshman, who played 21 minutes last night.
I'll make a bold prediction that this team has a .500 or better WIAC season before Petersen and Thingvold gradutate!!!
Glad to see the turnaround for this team.
Superior shot 54.2% overall, and 53.3 on 3 point attempts - making 8 of 15 3 pointers!!!
Hirssig led all scorers with 26 points and was the only player to have double digits on rebounds with 13. Edwards added 16 points for the Devils.
The Yellow Jackets had 3 players in double digits - Houser, Davis and Petersen with 18, 16 and 11 respectively. Petersen fouled out with 2:32 to go in the game with the scored 71 for Stout and 65 for Superior. The Jackets kept things close right up to the end, with Davis making a layup with :07 left in the game to make the final score 76 -73.
This very young Superior squad is changing the expectations for the future. Houser and Davis are freshman, while Petersen is a sophomore. The other two starters are Zavodny, also a freshman, and Thingfold, a sophomore. The 6th woman is Gosson, also a freshman, who played 21 minutes last night.
I'll make a bold prediction that this team has a .500 or better WIAC season before Petersen and Thingvold gradutate!!!
Glad to see the turnaround for this team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
I had the chance to catch the big game last night and was impressed with both teams. I thought that Stevens Point was ready to blow them out early in the second half, but EC kept clawing back into it and got it down to a one possession game. Point was just too tough down the stretch behind Van Gomple, Sporle, Baker, and Bandow. It seems like when they needed a score, they usually got it.
It looks like Point is the best team in the conference and are living up to their high ranking. They aren't having the problems that EC and WW are putting lesser opponents away like EC did against River and Superior and WW has had with Platteville.
It looks like Point is the best team in the conference and are living up to their high ranking. They aren't having the problems that EC and WW are putting lesser opponents away like EC did against River and Superior and WW has had with Platteville.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
We only had a problem in the first half when Morton was off the floor. But the game includes two halves and Platteville was no problem at all in the second one.
Point still has to play at WW and at EC. WW still has to play at EC. Point wins the first half. But like the game the conference season has two halves. Though I wouldn't argue that Point is a good team and has the edge now time will tell who has it in the end.
Point still has to play at WW and at EC. WW still has to play at EC. Point wins the first half. But like the game the conference season has two halves. Though I wouldn't argue that Point is a good team and has the edge now time will tell who has it in the end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 12:08:07 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
We only had a problem in the first half when Morton was off the floor. But the game includes two halves and Platteville was no problem at all in the second one.
Point still has to play at WW and at EC. WW still has to play at EC. Point wins the first half. But like the game the conference season has two halves. Though I wouldn't argue that Point is a good team and has the edge now time will tell who has it in the end.
I understand that Morton was off the floor, but when the team was trailing at the half, I would say that they had a little trouble with a team. I do not know another team in the conference that is more dependent on one player than WW is with Morton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 22, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Post by: billys on January 22, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 22, 2009, 07:25:47 AMThat is a bold statement. Obviously they may be improved, and this is not meant as any disrespect to Superior or you Champ when I say this;
I'll make a bold prediction that this team has a .500 or better WIAC season before Petersen and Thingvold gradutate!!!
Three Thoughts
1) It's SOOOOOOOOO difficult to move into the top half of the conference; which is where you need to be to be .500 or better. EC and SP have been there for years and don't look like they're moving back. anytime soon. WW has established itself and is becoming a place good players want to go, and Stout will likely stay there with a very good coach and the Viking Club firmly entrenched on their campus. So basically WW has taken Oshkosh's spot while the rest remain the same from the past 10 years or so. La Crosse has been creeping around the perimeter of the top four, and may get 4th this year for I think the 2nd time in 4 years, but is likely to take a step back when they lose their two seniors who have virtually carried them all year.
2) At some point you have to get some of the best freshmen, or a collection better than the rest of these teams to be a .500 or better team. EC, WW, and SP are all getting good freshmen, likely better than the Superiors, they just don't start/contribute/play because those above them are so much better. Remember last year Oshkosh was playing all freshmen as well with some decent high school players; it's obvious that gap has not yet closed. And remember; they're still recruiting to Superior. In their situation they could also use a big time transfer back.
3) Changing a culture of perpetual losing is EXTREMELY difficult. Once you get to the point where you can even compete with the SP's, the EC's, and the WW's ... now you have to beat them. That's a huge hurdle to climb when you haven't learned how to win. Personally, I think I'd schedule the worst possible non-conference schedule I could to get that winning vibe and feeling in the program. Which then becomes a double-edged sword because now you're stepping into conference play in one of the toughest league's in the country.
I hope you're right and it happens. It would be great for the league and their school if they could become relevant. The year they finished sixth (I think it was) about 5-6 years ago they had some nice players and a group that could score the ball, a few of which I want to say transferred in. Am glad to hear though they are becoming more competitive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 22, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
Post by: billys on January 22, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 12:08:07 PMSee La Crosse- Mackenzie HunterQuote from: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
We only had a problem in the first half when Morton was off the floor. But the game includes two halves and Platteville was no problem at all in the second one.
Point still has to play at WW and at EC. WW still has to play at EC. Point wins the first half. But like the game the conference season has two halves. Though I wouldn't argue that Point is a good team and has the edge now time will tell who has it in the end.
I understand that Morton was off the floor, but when the team was trailing at the half, I would say that they had a little trouble with a team. I do not know another team in the conference that is more dependent on one player than WW is with Morton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
That may be so, but it just appears that WW is a different team with Morton off the floor. You can use last night as an example in the first half. I think most would agree that Platteville is not at WW's level, but with Morton out with fouls, they were able to keep up with them for a half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 01:13:26 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 22, 2009, 07:25:47 AM
I'll make a bold prediction that this team has a .500 or better WIAC season before Petersen and Thingvold gradutate!!!
That is a bold prediction. Its not going to happen, but it is a bold prediction. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 22, 2009, 04:51:01 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 22, 2009, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 01:13:26 PMQuote from: The Champ on January 22, 2009, 07:25:47 AM
I'll make a bold prediction that this team has a .500 or better WIAC season before Petersen and Thingvold gradutate!!!
That is a bold prediction. Its not going to happen, but it is a bold prediction. ;)
You know, I kind of think the prediction is a tad bold also. But the Champ is a bold prediction kind of guy. I do share his respect for Superior. They played Stout last night without their leading scorer, are extremely young, and really were very competitive. I too, think they will move up the ladder in the next couple years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 22, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 22, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
Let's be honest: there's really no other direction for Superior to go...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 23, 2009, 10:07:54 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 23, 2009, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: closetothechest on January 22, 2009, 01:10:47 PM
That may be so, but it just appears that WW is a different team with Morton off the floor. You can use last night as an example in the first half. I think most would agree that Platteville is not at WW's level, but with Morton out with fouls, they were able to keep up with them for a half.
You think so? I have heard that the sun rises in the east. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2009, 07:45:37 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 23, 2009, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: billys on January 22, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
That is a bold statement. Obviously they may be improved, and this is not meant as any disrespect to Superior or you Champ when I say this;
Three Thoughts
1) It's SOOOOOOOOO difficult to move into the top half of the conference; which is where you need to be to be .500 or better. EC and SP have been there for years and don't look like they're moving back. anytime soon. WW has established itself and is becoming a place good players want to go, and Stout will likely stay there with a very good coach and the Viking Club firmly entrenched on their campus. So basically WW has taken Oshkosh's spot while the rest remain the same from the past 10 years or so. La Crosse has been creeping around the perimeter of the top four, and may get 4th this year for I think the 2nd time in 4 years, but is likely to take a step back when they lose their two seniors who have virtually carried them all year.
2) At some point you have to get some of the best freshmen, or a collection better than the rest of these teams to be a .500 or better team. EC, WW, and SP are all getting good freshmen, likely better than the Superiors, they just don't start/contribute/play because those above them are so much better. Remember last year Oshkosh was playing all freshmen as well with some decent high school players; it's obvious that gap has not yet closed. And remember; they're still recruiting to Superior. In their situation they could also use a big time transfer back.
3) Changing a culture of perpetual losing is EXTREMELY difficult. Once you get to the point where you can even compete with the SP's, the EC's, and the WW's ... now you have to beat them. That's a huge hurdle to climb when you haven't learned how to win. Personally, I think I'd schedule the worst possible non-conference schedule I could to get that winning vibe and feeling in the program. Which then becomes a double-edged sword because now you're stepping into conference play in one of the toughest league's in the country.
I hope you're right and it happens. It would be great for the league and their school if they could become relevant. The year they finished sixth (I think it was) about 5-6 years ago they had some nice players and a group that could score the ball, a few of which I want to say transferred in. Am glad to hear though they are becoming more competitive.
1. You don't have to move into the top 4 to have a .500 record or better in the WIAC. In fact, the number 5 team has been .500 or better every season since 1997. With nine teams in the conference, all a team needs to do is win 5 of 8 at home and steal 3 wins on the road.
2. The point I was trying to make is that Superior only has no juniors or seniors on their team. They very possibly could have this same starting 5 of 3 freshman and 2 sophomores (that would mature and become better players - at least in theory) for the next 2.5 seasons.
3. Prior to LaCrosse having a winning season in the 05/06 season, they hadn't had a winning season since 1988, and hadn't won more than 5 games in a season since the 2000 season. Another example - prior to Mark Thomas coming to Stout in 1988 - Stout had never had more than 3 wins in a season. In the 1990 = 91 season, Stout finished 9 - 7 and tied for 4th place... ;D
Bottom line, Superior came very close to stealing 2 wins at home this season from the "upper tier". Both the EC and the Stout games were within their grasp - they just couldn't close the deal.
Is it wrong to think that as other 8 teams lose players to graduation over the next 2 seasons that Superior just might be able to sweep the 3 "lower tier" teams and steal 2 wins from the 4 "upper tier" teams - who ever the upper and lower tier are? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 23, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 23, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
I agree that the potential in Superior is there, but retention has been a problem in the past. There have been other years that SUP has put three or four promising freshman on the floor, but 2 1/2 years later just one or none remains.
If they can retain this current freshman/sophomore group until they are juniors and seniors then I think .500 is possible. But that is an "if" that they've haven't overcome in a long time.
This might be an all-time message board record for UW-Sup discussions.
If they can retain this current freshman/sophomore group until they are juniors and seniors then I think .500 is possible. But that is an "if" that they've haven't overcome in a long time.
This might be an all-time message board record for UW-Sup discussions.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 23, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 23, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 23, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
I agree that the potential in Superior is there, but retention has been a problem in the past. There have been other years that SUP has put three or four promising freshman on the floor, but 2 1/2 years later just one or none remains.
If they can retain this current freshman/sophomore group until they are juniors and seniors then I think .500 in possible. But that is an "if" that they've haven't overcome in a long time.
This might be an all-time message board record for UW-Sup discussions.
Yes, and barely a whimper out of Phoenix_Rising ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2009, 07:58:42 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2009, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 23, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
I agree that the potential in Superior is there, but retention has been a problem in the past. There have been other years that SUP has put three or four promising freshman on the floor, but 2 1/2 years later just one or none remains.
If they can retain this current freshman/sophomore group until they are juniors and seniors then I think .500 is possible. But that is an "if" that they've haven't overcome in a long time.
This might be an all-time message board record for UW-Sup discussions.
Donald Mulhern wasn't the HC at Superior previously. Changing the HC can dramatically affect a program (good or bad).
From Mulhern's bio:
QuoteAs the head women's basketball coach at MacMurray College, Don took a program that had a losing record, having won three, four, and five games respectively in the previous seasons, and turned the program into one of the more respected programs in the Midwest. He helped guide the team from a sixth place finish in his first season (92-93 season) to back-to-back conference championships in the 94-95 and 95-96 seasons. He was named Coach of the Year and Co-Coach of the Year during those seasons and his team appeared in its first ever NCAA Division III tournament in 1996.
You can read more here http://www.uwsuper.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/coaches.cfm (http://www.uwsuper.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/coaches.cfm)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2009, 12:01:58 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2009, 12:01:58 PM
I don't want to seem negative, but I just don't see this happening in 3 years. Stout and UW-L have improved their programs, but Superior is not Stout or UW-L. UW-L is a great college town. They have a great environment and a lot of attractions in that town. Stout is lucky to have the Viking club. This gives them a shot to have a lot of talent play there at the AAU and see the school and facilities.
Superior is not a great college town or have great facilities. It is going to be very hard to keep getting good players coming into their system. Unless I missed sometihng, they are still 0-8 in conference. Real talented players aren't going to want to go a team that consistently goes 0-16 or 2-14 in conference. They have a couple games in the second half they could win, but it is going to be tough to turn them into a 8-8 team in 3 years.
Superior is not a great college town or have great facilities. It is going to be very hard to keep getting good players coming into their system. Unless I missed sometihng, they are still 0-8 in conference. Real talented players aren't going to want to go a team that consistently goes 0-16 or 2-14 in conference. They have a couple games in the second half they could win, but it is going to be tough to turn them into a 8-8 team in 3 years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 24, 2009, 06:10:04 PM
Post by: buf on January 24, 2009, 06:10:04 PM
Stout wins over UWP, 83-69. Hirrsig has a huge game with 37pts (13-14 on FGs) , 10rebs.
UWW big over Superior, 91-48.
UWW big over Superior, 91-48.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 24, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
Post by: buf on January 24, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
Point wins over UWO, 59-45. Both teams shot poorly.
UWEC with a big run in the last 5min win at UWL, 64-47. Linder comes off the bench to score 13pts and grab 8rebs.
UWEC with a big run in the last 5min win at UWL, 64-47. Linder comes off the bench to score 13pts and grab 8rebs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
WHITEWATER got off quick and behind 62.5% shooting in the first half blew out Superior. Sporting leads as large as 36 in the first half the WARHAWKS led by 29 at the half, 53-24. The second half played out pretty much the same with the leads growing to 45 points and finishing at 43, 91-48. The WARHAWK press forced the YG's into 32 turnover including 17 steals. Five players scored in double figures for WHITEWATER led by Tiffany Morton with her 9th double-double of the season 16 points, 10 rebounds. Also scoring in double figure were Heidi Sontag (15 points), Rachael Woolever (13 points, 4 assists), Kelsey Hendrickson (11 points, 5 assists) and Dana Thompson (10 points, 5 rebounds).
No one from Superior scored in double figures. Bri Davis led the YGs with 8 points and 6 rebounds.
I don't know about the Superior team that played Stout but the Superior team that played today has a long way to go if they expect to move into the top half of the conference. No offense intended and I understand their staff is working hard to improve the program but they just aren't very good even considering their youth.
No one from Superior scored in double figures. Bri Davis led the YGs with 8 points and 6 rebounds.
I don't know about the Superior team that played Stout but the Superior team that played today has a long way to go if they expect to move into the top half of the conference. No offense intended and I understand their staff is working hard to improve the program but they just aren't very good even considering their youth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2009, 10:08:15 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2009, 10:08:15 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2009, 12:01:58 PM
I don't want to seem negative, but I just don't see this happening in 3 years. Stout and UW-L have improved their programs, but Superior is not Stout or UW-L. UW-L is a great college town. They have a great environment and a lot of attractions in that town. Stout is lucky to have the Viking club. This gives them a shot to have a lot of talent play there at the AAU and see the school and facilities.
Superior is not a great college town or have great facilities. It is going to be very hard to keep getting good players coming into their system. Unless I missed sometihng, they are still 0-8 in conference. Real talented players aren't going to want to go a team that consistently goes 0-16 or 2-14 in conference. They have a couple games in the second half they could win, but it is going to be tough to turn them into a 8-8 team in 3 years.
Gee, you'd think I predicted the Detroit Lions to win the Super Bowl next year.... ;D All I said was that Superior could go 8 - 8, a record that has garnered 6th place in a 9 team league before...
Superior may not have the best facilities, be a great college town. But they have decent facilities, a decent sized town right next door to Duluth - an even larger city. Some people might enjoy attending a school on the largest lake in the world with some of the best skiing in the entire midwest right next door...
Quote from: badgerwarhawkhas a long way to go if they expect to move into the top half of the conference.
BW
Top half would be 4th place or better.
8 - 8 can be done (and was done as recently as the 2005/2006 season) with only a 6th place finish in the WIAC.
All that needs to happen is for one of the big 4 to have a bad season. At the start of that season, the big 4 were arguably (listed alphabetically) Eau Claire, Oshkosh, Stevens Point and Stout. Eau Claire had finished 5th the year before, but I think most would have given them the nod over River Falls who finished 4th that year.
The final standings that year were:
1. Stout 12 - 4
2. Oshkosh 12 - 4
3. Stevens Point 11 - 5
4. LaCrosse 9 - 7
5. Eau Claire 8 - 8
6. River Falls 8 - 8
7. Whitewater 6 - 10
8. Platteville 6 - 10
9. Superior 0 - 16
Oshkosh went from tied for 1st place that year, to tied for 2nd to last the next. The difference in the number of wins is 8 for Oshkosh in those 2 seasons.
WW went from tied for 2nd to last that season to tied for 1st last season - and a magical run in the NCAA to a 3rd place finish in the tournament.
All I'm talking about is Superior getting to 8 - 8... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
QuotePoints + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks - (Field goals attempted - Field goals made) + (Free throws attempted - Free throws made) + turnovers = efficency
Let me see if I can get this right...
37 points, 10 rebounds, 0 assists, 3 steals, 14 FG attempts, 13 FG made, 13 FT attempts, 11 FT made, 3 TO
(37+10+0+4) - [(14-13) + (13-11) + 3] = 45
Is that a pretty good game... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2009, 10:49:52 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2009, 10:49:52 AM
On the D3Hoops.com standings page, the UW-Superior win over Northwestern (Minn.) is marked as a conference game. Oh, if only NWC could be a conference opponent for the poor Yellowjackets. :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 25, 2009, 12:02:05 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 25, 2009, 12:02:05 PM
Sadly, part of the reason players have left the team is the HC. At least one promising player was kicked off the team and a couple others left out of frustration. Mulhern has to have players that will buy into his particular--I won't say peculiar--method of coaching, or they just aren't going to hang around. I think there may be quite a difference between the recruiter and the coach, although I don't think he coaches differently from what he tells them in recruitment. I think they find out it's a lot harder to play for him than they think it will be. I like his assistant coach a lot.
I might be talking out of the wrong oriface, but that's my take on what's going on in Superior. We DO have some talented players; one of the players who's doing fairly well stunk badly at the beginning of the season. Obviously, the coach saw something I didn't and kept playing her. I think he's got some talent on the bench. Superior--men and women--might benefit from a more generous use of the bench.
I might be talking out of the wrong oriface, but that's my take on what's going on in Superior. We DO have some talented players; one of the players who's doing fairly well stunk badly at the beginning of the season. Obviously, the coach saw something I didn't and kept playing her. I think he's got some talent on the bench. Superior--men and women--might benefit from a more generous use of the bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2009, 02:09:42 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2009, 02:09:42 PM
That's been my, admittedly long distance, perception of Mulhearn as well. That's why I questioned their ability to retain players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2009, 06:52:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2009, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 25, 2009, 10:27:19 AMQuotePoints + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks - (Field goals attempted - Field goals made) + (Free throws attempted - Free throws made) + turnovers = efficency
Let me see if I can get this right...
37 points, 10 rebounds, 0 assists, 3 steals, 14 FG attempts, 13 FG made, 13 FT attempts, 11 FT made, 3 TO
(37+10+0+4) - [(14-13) + (13-11) + 3] = 45
Is that a pretty good game... ;D
That should be +3. It's still a pretty good game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 25, 2009, 11:38:40 PM
Post by: billys on January 25, 2009, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 25, 2009, 02:09:42 PMMine as well.
That's been my, admittedly long distance, perception of Mulhearn as well. That's why I questioned their ability to retain players.
And as I said before ... there are plenty of freshmen in the league (not getting much playing time because they're on a good team) who are better than Superior's youth right now.
Then next year the other schools will get a bunch of new players who are probably better than what Superior gets. Not to mention, it's tougher for them to get a transfer down than say WW (Morton, Hendrickson), Oshkosh (Eggers a few years back), Stout (Duoss) ... the type of player that could make that jump.
Champ's two examples- WW added those transfers to veterans and UW-L had a great recruiting class (which is playing most of their minutes now as seniors led by Hunter) but paired it with veterans.
Again this isn't meant to bash Superior ... if anything it's in support of their staff cause I know how difficult a task they are undertaking. I just don't see them going 8-8. I'd say Oshkosh, who is also without Sr's and Jr's with a better shot at 8-8 then Superior in the next few years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 26, 2009, 12:32:12 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 26, 2009, 12:32:12 AM
Looks like the national rankings got a little shake-up in the last week. #1, #5 and #6 all went down. The tough thing about the central region is 3 of the top 4 teams in the nation are from this region.
Also, does anyone know when the regional rankings will be out? I am guessing that Illinois Wesleyan will be #1, but after that it is a toss-up between Point and WW. Should be interesting.
Also, does anyone know when the regional rankings will be out? I am guessing that Illinois Wesleyan will be #1, but after that it is a toss-up between Point and WW. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2009, 07:29:19 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2009, 07:29:19 AM
Quote from: billys on January 25, 2009, 11:38:40 PMChamp's two examples- WW added those transfers to veterans and UW-L had a great recruiting class (which is playing most of their minutes now as seniors led by Hunter) but paired it with veterans.
Yes, the situations are different. But then, these schools are now having winning seasons (and in the case of WW, they are nationally ranked).
All I predicted is for Superior to get to .500 - which has been done (recently) by a 6th place WIAC team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2009, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2009, 07:31:00 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2009, 06:52:27 PMThat should be +3. It's still a pretty good game.
I stand corrected... :-[
POW, maybe... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2009, 10:25:38 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2009, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 26, 2009, 12:32:12 AMI think first regional rankings come out the first Wednesday in February. Not sure though.
Looks like the national rankings got a little shake-up in the last week. #1, #5 and #6 all went down. The tough thing about the central region is 3 of the top 4 teams in the nation are from this region.
Also, does anyone know when the regional rankings will be out? I am guessing that Illinois Wesleyan will be #1, but after that it is a toss-up between Point and WW. Should be interesting.
I think right now I'd put it like this:
1. IWU
2. UWSP
3. UWW
4. UWEC
Point is 2-1 against UWW and UWEC. Since they are the only one that has beaten both of the other two, I'd say they need to be given the edge. Of course, UWSP has to go on the road to both of them in the second half of the year so everything could change. But right now, I think that's how it would have to stack up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2009, 10:01:21 PM
Post by: buf on January 26, 2009, 10:01:21 PM
This week's Top 25 WIAC teams:
UWW is #2
Point is #3
UWEC is #8
UWW is #2
Point is #3
UWEC is #8
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
Post by: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
When was the last time three WIAC teams were ranked so high? Is this year the strongest the WIAC has ever been in it's 30+ year history?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AMI asked your question over on the Top 25 board. I know I could search through all the polls myself, but I'm hoping someone over there as a quick answer so I don't have to.
When was the last time three WIAC teams were ranked so high? Is this year the strongest the WIAC has ever been in it's 30+ year history?
"Strongest" is always a tough word to parse. Our top 3 are clearly three of the best in the country and would fare well against anyone. That makes the WIAC strong.
1 through 9, though, I'm not sure the league is any stronger than some other years. I don't feel like the 6th or 7th place team has a legit shot at the Big 3, and I know I've felt that way in the past.
Now that I've said that, though I'd point out that UWSP could be heading into a classic Trap game at UW-River Falls. Coming off a big win, with a new ranking and going on the road to a place that has been difficult for Point in that past. I still don't expect them to lose, but this one has all the earmarks of a trap.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2009, 12:27:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2009, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 26, 2009, 07:31:00 AM
POW, maybe... ;)
She is certainly a legit candidate for the honor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 27, 2009, 12:32:17 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 27, 2009, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 27, 2009, 12:25:29 PMQuote from: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AMI asked your question over on the Top 25 board. I know I could search through all the polls myself, but I'm hoping someone over there as a quick answer so I don't have to.
When was the last time three WIAC teams were ranked so high? Is this year the strongest the WIAC has ever been in it's 30+ year history?
"Strongest" is always a tough word to parse. Our top 3 are clearly three of the best in the country and would fare well against anyone. That makes the WIAC strong.
1 through 9, though, I'm not sure the league is any stronger than some other years. I don't feel like the 6th or 7th place team has a legit shot at the Big 3, and I know I've felt that way in the past.
Now that I've said that, though I'd point out that UWSP could be heading into a classic Trap game at UW-River Falls. Coming off a big win, with a new ranking and going on the road to a place that has been difficult for Point in that past. I still don't expect them to lose, but this one has all the earmarks of a trap.
I wouldn't really call this a trap game. The Oshkosh game was not as big as Oshkosh games have been in the past. A trap game would have been after they beat Stout, then played Superior before the showdown with Eau Claire. That Superior would have been the "trap game" in that instance. I do not think there is a big difference from #7 to #3, so I didn't take the rankings into effect.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 27, 2009, 12:35:03 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 27, 2009, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2009, 12:27:43 PMQuote from: The Champ on January 26, 2009, 07:31:00 AM
POW, maybe... ;)
She is certainly a legit candidate for the honor.
I would expect her to get the honor. Only thing going against her was she played the #9 and #7 team in the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Hirssig it is.....http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/athweek.htm
She joins Morton and Hunter as a two time POW.
She joins Morton and Hunter as a two time POW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Hirssig it is.....http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/athweek.htm
She joins Morton and Hunter as a two time POW.
From the WIAC page linked above:
QuoteHirssig scored a career-best 37 points and cracked the 1000-point barrier in an 83-69 win over UW-Platteville on Jan. 24. She was nearly flawless in the game, draining 13-of-14 shots from the floor and 11-of-13 from the free-throw line, while collecting 10 rebounds to record her ninth double-double of the season. Her 37 points tied her for 15th on the all-time WIAC single-game scoring list. Hirssig opened the game by scoring six of UW-Stout's first 12 points in less than five minutes of play and finished the first half with 16 points. She was coming off a 26-point performance in a 76-73 win at UW-Superior on Jan. 21, where she pulled down 13 rebounds. On the week, Hirssig scored 63 points, shot 22-of-32 (68.8 percent) from the floor and 19-of-24 (79.2 percent) from the free-throw stripe. She collected 23 total rebounds (12 defensive) and had four steals.
Just wanted to point out that she did play defense too.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 27, 2009, 08:35:13 PM
Post by: billys on January 27, 2009, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AMAs JB said; top three it'd be hard to argue.
When was the last time three WIAC teams were ranked so high? Is this year the strongest the WIAC has ever been in it's 30+ year history?
But top to bottom 6-9 are not very good right now.
I thought in '05-'06 the league was much deeper. EC was the 6th seed and still a good team. Whitewater I believe went to Stout as the 8 seed in the first round and nearly beat them.
2000-2001 could maybe be another candidate. I guess my barometer would be something like ... does your 6th place team have a legit chance to beat your champion (assuming your champ is any good. I don't know if you ever expect your bottom three or so to compete consistently with the top ... but 6 deep in women's basketball would be a lot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 27, 2009, 11:33:06 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 27, 2009, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: billys on January 27, 2009, 08:35:13 PMQuote from: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AMAs JB said; top three it'd be hard to argue.
When was the last time three WIAC teams were ranked so high? Is this year the strongest the WIAC has ever been in it's 30+ year history?
But top to bottom 6-9 are not very good right now.
I thought in '05-'06 the league was much deeper. EC was the 6th seed and still a good team. Whitewater I believe went to Stout as the 8 seed in the first round and nearly beat them.
2000-2001 could maybe be another candidate. I guess my barometer would be something like ... does your 6th place team have a legit chance to beat your champion (assuming your champ is any good. I don't know if you ever expect your bottom three or so to compete consistently with the top ... but 6 deep in women's basketball would be a lot.
I think that 2001 was probably the deepest with 5 teams with 18+ wins. That year EC went the deepest in the NCAAs when they got beat in the 2nd round. I think this year is better. Depending on match-ups, I believe the big three all have at least a chance at the round of 16.
The WIAC will always be deep 1-4/5. It is so hard to win on the road in this league against the top 4/5. Two years ago it wasn't considered deep, but #7 Platteville went into #2 WW and won in the conference tournament. Anything can happen in that tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
Hirssig made this week's D3hoops.com team of the week.
http://d3hoops.com/tow/
http://d3hoops.com/tow/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 28, 2009, 04:12:37 PM
Post by: billys on January 28, 2009, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 27, 2009, 11:33:06 PMQuote from: billys on January 27, 2009, 08:35:13 PMQuote from: jam8788 on January 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AMAs JB said; top three it'd be hard to argue.
When was the last time three WIAC teams were ranked so high? Is this year the strongest the WIAC has ever been in it's 30+ year history?
But top to bottom 6-9 are not very good right now.
I thought in '05-'06 the league was much deeper. EC was the 6th seed and still a good team. Whitewater I believe went to Stout as the 8 seed in the first round and nearly beat them.
2000-2001 could maybe be another candidate. I guess my barometer would be something like ... does your 6th place team have a legit chance to beat your champion (assuming your champ is any good. I don't know if you ever expect your bottom three or so to compete consistently with the top ... but 6 deep in women's basketball would be a lot.
I think that 2001 was probably the deepest with 5 teams with 18+ wins. That year EC went the deepest in the NCAAs when they got beat in the 2nd round. I think this year is better. Depending on match-ups, I believe the big three all have at least a chance at the round of 16.
The WIAC will always be deep 1-4/5. It is so hard to win on the road in this league against the top 4/5. Two years ago it wasn't considered deep, but #7 Platteville went into #2 WW and won in the conference tournament. Anything can happen in that tournament.
I believe this top 3 is as good as they've had in awhile ... all three look like they could make deep runs. A question I'd like the veterans to debate. How do you think the top level of the WIAC today compares to a few years ago?
I still feel like, having seen the top three this year, while very good, I see the Duoss Stout teams, the Eggers/Herrick Oshkosh teams, and the Nechuta Point teams being better than these three this year. Maybe I'm wrong but those teams were loaded.
In the same breathe though, aside from the Nechuta teams, the other's didn't get as deep the tournament as I thought they would. The Stout teams to the Sweet 16 I think and then Oshkosh? Did they even make the tournament with those teams?
Now I look at these three, and although I think they lose the WIAC History match-up, I could see them all running to the Final Four.
So are these teams better than I think (historically)? Is D3 not as good as it was in that stretch early this decade? Is the region just not as good as it was which allows for a safer path to the Final Four? Are these teams talent deeper than maybe those more star driven teams of early in the decade?
Just curious what people think ... I don't know what I think, I just feel like- The best teams early in this decade were better but these teams have a better chance to win it all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
For my money, the best WIAC team I've ever seen was the 2001-02 UWSP national championship team, and they lost to UW-Stout TWICE! Now THAT is strength at the top of the conference.
Schmitt, Kraemer, Schultz, Boehning and Groshek starting with Heuer and Nechuta off the bench. (Nechuta off the bench, YIKES). I don't think any of this year's top 3 could beat that squad. I also saw the UW-Oshkosh national champion team play back in the day, and I think they were every bit as good.
I think the bar has lowered slightly, mostly to more mid-major D-I's and D-II's gaining recruiting footholds in the state and more competitive WIAC teams spreading around the top recruits. Once upon a time, the best 8 freshman in the league were all on EC's and OSH's roster. I think those days are gone. There's a solid 5-6 teams that can consistently pull in quality recruits.
Schmitt, Kraemer, Schultz, Boehning and Groshek starting with Heuer and Nechuta off the bench. (Nechuta off the bench, YIKES). I don't think any of this year's top 3 could beat that squad. I also saw the UW-Oshkosh national champion team play back in the day, and I think they were every bit as good.
I think the bar has lowered slightly, mostly to more mid-major D-I's and D-II's gaining recruiting footholds in the state and more competitive WIAC teams spreading around the top recruits. Once upon a time, the best 8 freshman in the league were all on EC's and OSH's roster. I think those days are gone. There's a solid 5-6 teams that can consistently pull in quality recruits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 28, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
For my money, the best WIAC team I've ever seen was the 2001-02 UWSP national championship team, and they lost to UW-Stout TWICE! Now THAT is strength at the top of the conference.
You had to remind me of that season...
Stout goes 15 - 1 and Point goes 14 - 2 (both losses to Stout, as you mentioned) during the WIAC season.
Point doesn't make it to the WIAC Tournament Championship Game.
Yet Stout had to travel for the first game of the NCAA Tourney to play St. Bens (who also failed to make their MIAC Tournament Championship Game) and Point played at home...
I know that the NCAA has some mysterious formula to decide which teams travel and which teams get home games, but that was my first experience going to an NCAA Tournament game, and it was very disheartening... :'(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2009, 07:24:15 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2009, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
Hirssig made this week's D3hoops.com team of the week.
http://d3hoops.com/tow/
Trying very hard not to sound biased... But she done good... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2009, 10:26:43 PM
Post by: buf on January 28, 2009, 10:26:43 PM
Todays scores:
EC wins over Sup, 70-43
UWP nips UWO, 57-52
Point big over RF, 75-49
AND.....
UWL wins at UWW, 62-53. What happened here?
EC wins over Sup, 70-43
UWP nips UWO, 57-52
Point big over RF, 75-49
AND.....
UWL wins at UWW, 62-53. What happened here?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 28, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
Post by: buf on January 28, 2009, 10:42:49 PM
EC played OK tonight. They had a lot of missed opportunities on fast breaks in the 1st half. The 2nd half was better offensively. Again, EC defense steps up and keeps their opponent to only 43 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 28, 2009, 11:04:57 PM
Post by: JMM on January 28, 2009, 11:04:57 PM
EC played very well tonight. While there were a few missed break opportunities, the offense was tight and very effectively working the ball down to Messick. EC has really been working on their offense. The defenses again was outstanding. Second half was focused on breaking in the younger players who did a good job - their play was mature, calm, not ragged. Zorn will be packed with Blugold fans on Saturday night. The new EC offense is maturing nicely. Hopeful that EC seniors will be cool, calm and hitting from underneath and outside. EC fans extend a big Hooray to LC. WW faces an uphill battle with both SP and EC and Stout left to play. Still waiting for Stout to win a big game maybe the SP game on Saturday JH is playing almost the full game these days and really rocking. Love that WIAC - best conference in the US of A.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2009, 09:53:44 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2009, 09:53:44 AM
The LaCrosse win over WHITEWATER was a matter of shooting. Despite attempting 13 more shots than LaCrosse (61-48), outrebounding them (36-26 including 14 offensive rebounds) and having fewer turnovers (23-26) the WARHAWKS lost because they couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. Shooting what may have been a season low 32.8% to LaCrosse's 47.9% the Eagle jumped out to a double figure lead early and every time WHITEWATER closed the gap to a single digit we'd miss shots, turn the ball over and eventually the Eagle would score and build the lead back to a more comfortable margin.
Tiffany Morton got her 11th double-double of the season with 17 points and 10 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson put 11 points on the board but it took 15 shots to do and Heidi Sontag finished with 10 points.
McKenzie Hunter led the Eagle with 19 points. But one player who made some clutch shots and definitely influenced the outcome, not that Hunter didn't, was Dana Churchill who scored 14 points and led LaCrosse with 8 rebounds.
It was an ugly night for WARHAWK fans and a bad loss. LaCrosse didn't play that well but they played better than we did and deserved to win the contest. With their backs to the wall it will be interesting to see how the WARHAWKS responded Saturday in Eau Claire.
Tiffany Morton got her 11th double-double of the season with 17 points and 10 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson put 11 points on the board but it took 15 shots to do and Heidi Sontag finished with 10 points.
McKenzie Hunter led the Eagle with 19 points. But one player who made some clutch shots and definitely influenced the outcome, not that Hunter didn't, was Dana Churchill who scored 14 points and led LaCrosse with 8 rebounds.
It was an ugly night for WARHAWK fans and a bad loss. LaCrosse didn't play that well but they played better than we did and deserved to win the contest. With their backs to the wall it will be interesting to see how the WARHAWKS responded Saturday in Eau Claire.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: The Champ on January 28, 2009, 07:22:57 PMQuote from: Just Bill on January 28, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
For my money, the best WIAC team I've ever seen was the 2001-02 UWSP national championship team, and they lost to UW-Stout TWICE! Now THAT is strength at the top of the conference.
You had to remind me of that season...
Stout goes 15 - 1 and Point goes 14 - 2 (both losses to Stout, as you mentioned) during the WIAC season.
Point doesn't make it to the WIAC Tournament Championship Game.
Yet Stout had to travel for the first game of the NCAA Tourney to play St. Bens (who also failed to make their MIAC Tournament Championship Game) and Point played at home...
I know that the NCAA has some mysterious formula to decide which teams travel and which teams get home games, but that was my first experience going to an NCAA Tournament game, and it was very disheartening... :'(
Let's see, what would I rather do? Would I rather go on the road to a team who didn't even make their conference title game or get a home game, then go play at four time National Champion Wash U when they had something like a 80 game home winning streak? I think the first round road game sounds a little better if the team has championship aspirations. ;)
Also, I believe that Point team was the best team in the WIAC this century. Anytime you can win a championship, that has to be the best team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
Post by: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2009, 09:53:44 AM
The LaCrosse win over WHITEWATER was a matter of shooting. Despite attempting 13 more shots than LaCrosse (61-48), outrebounding them (36-26 including 14 offensive rebounds) and having fewer turnovers (23-26) the WARHAWKS lost because they couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. Shooting what may have been a season low 32.8% to LaCrosse's 47.9% the Eagle jumped out to a double figure lead early and every time WHITEWATER closed the gap to a single digit we'd miss shots, turn the ball over and eventually the Eagle would score and build the lead back to a more comfortable margin.
Tiffany Morton got her 11th double-double of the season with 17 points and 10 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson put 11 points on the board but it took 15 shots to do and Heidi Sontag finished with 10 points.
McKenzie Hunter led the Eagle with 19 points. But one player who made some clutch shots and definitely influenced the outcome, not that Hunter didn't, was Dana Churchill who scored 14 points and led LaCrosse with 8 rebounds.
It was an ugly night for WARHAWK fans and a bad loss. LaCrosse didn't play that well but they played better than we did and deserved to win the contest. With their backs to the wall it will be interesting to see how the WARHAWKS responded Saturday in Eau Claire.
I am glad you gave UW-L credit. I think that shooting percentage is a direct result of defense. I especially think this was true as WW was at home and should be use to the gym.
Great win for the Eagles, they should be getting some votes to be ranked if they can win at WW and Superior in the same week.
It will be interesting how the Warhawks respond this weekend. I believe the Warhawks haven't won in EC since Reagon was President. To add to the already rocking environment in Zorn, it will be alumni day.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2009, 10:56:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2009, 10:56:11 AM
I would agree that LaCrosse played with a defensive intensity that we did not match. Also in most games there will come a point when the WARHAWKS put together a dominating run which often puts the game out of reach of our opponents. LaCrosse didn't let them do that last night and that was a significant factor in the outcome. LaCrosse didn't play great but they played better and the outcome reflects that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 29, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 29, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 10:11:12 AMQuote from: The Champ on January 28, 2009, 07:22:57 PMQuote from: Just Bill on January 28, 2009, 05:03:34 PM
For my money, the best WIAC team I've ever seen was the 2001-02 UWSP national championship team, and they lost to UW-Stout TWICE! Now THAT is strength at the top of the conference.
You had to remind me of that season...
Stout goes 15 - 1 and Point goes 14 - 2 (both losses to Stout, as you mentioned) during the WIAC season.
Point doesn't make it to the WIAC Tournament Championship Game.
Yet Stout had to travel for the first game of the NCAA Tourney to play St. Bens (who also failed to make their MIAC Tournament Championship Game) and Point played at home...
I know that the NCAA has some mysterious formula to decide which teams travel and which teams get home games, but that was my first experience going to an NCAA Tournament game, and it was very disheartening... :'(
Let's see, what would I rather do? Would I rather go on the road to a team who didn't even make their conference title game or get a home game, then go play at four time National Champion Wash U when they had something like a 80 game home winning streak? I think the first round road game sounds a little better if the team has championship aspirations. ;)
Also, I believe that Point team was the best team in the WIAC this century. Anytime you can win a championship, that has to be the best team.
I think Champ's point isn't that UWSP got a free ride (which they clearly didn't), rather that Stout got a crappy draw (which they did). However, I'm pretty sure that Stout wouldn't have wanted Point's position playing Lake Forest at home and then traveling to Wash U. who had beaten Stout by 101-47 during the regular season.
If anyone can explain to me how Stout loses to Wash U huge, beats Point twice and then Point beats Wash U, I'm all ears. I've always thought that was one of the most unusual triangles I've ever seen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 29, 2009, 03:26:51 PM
Stout was sometimes undisciplined with their run and gun style before they got Duoss. Once they got Duoss they could also play a half-court game and not relay on the press so much. If a team could handle their press, and obviously Wash U could, it could have meant trouble for them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2009, 07:36:21 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2009, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 29, 2009, 11:36:42 AMI think Champ's point isn't that UWSP got a free ride (which they clearly didn't), rather that Stout got a crappy draw (which they did). However, I'm pretty sure that Stout wouldn't have wanted Point's position playing Lake Forest at home and then traveling to Wash U. who had beaten Stout by 101-47 during the regular season.
If anyone can explain to me how Stout loses to Wash U huge, beats Point twice and then Point beats Wash U, I'm all ears. I've always thought that was one of the most unusual triangles I've ever seen.
JB
You got the drift of my post.
But I'd much rather have had the opportunity to play Lake Forest at home than play on the road against anybody else. Even though that would have meant playing Wash U.
Our loss to Wash U. was early in the season (November 25th) and was the 5th game in an 8 day stretch - all 5 games on the road.
Would Wash U. have beat us in the DIII Tournament?
Who knows???
But I bet it would have been a much better game than the first one. And who knows, it might have been a home game for us (as stated before, I have no clue how the mastermixers end up deciding where the games are played)...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 29, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Post by: buf on January 29, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2009, 09:53:44 AM
The LaCrosse win over WHITEWATER was a matter of shooting. Despite attempting 13 more shots than LaCrosse (61-48), outrebounding them (36-26 including 14 offensive rebounds) and having fewer turnovers (23-26) the WARHAWKS lost because they couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. Shooting what may have been a season low 32.8% to LaCrosse's 47.9% the Eagle jumped out to a double figure lead early and every time WHITEWATER closed the gap to a single digit we'd miss shots, turn the ball over and eventually the Eagle would score and build the lead back to a more comfortable margin.
Tiffany Morton got her 11th double-double of the season with 17 points and 10 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson put 11 points on the board but it took 15 shots to do and Heidi Sontag finished with 10 points.
McKenzie Hunter led the Eagle with 19 points. But one player who made some clutch shots and definitely influenced the outcome, not that Hunter didn't, was Dana Churchill who scored 14 points and led LaCrosse with 8 rebounds.
It was an ugly night for WARHAWK fans and a bad loss. LaCrosse didn't play that well but they played better than we did and deserved to win the contest. With their backs to the wall it will be interesting to see how the WARHAWKS responded Saturday in Eau Claire.
Didn't UWW know that they were supposed to have their "bad" game on Saturday against EC rather than on Wednesday against UWL. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 30, 2009, 12:11:52 AM
Post by: closetothechest on January 30, 2009, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: The Champ on January 29, 2009, 07:36:21 PMQuote from: Just Bill on January 29, 2009, 11:36:42 AMI think Champ's point isn't that UWSP got a free ride (which they clearly didn't), rather that Stout got a crappy draw (which they did). However, I'm pretty sure that Stout wouldn't have wanted Point's position playing Lake Forest at home and then traveling to Wash U. who had beaten Stout by 101-47 during the regular season.
If anyone can explain to me how Stout loses to Wash U huge, beats Point twice and then Point beats Wash U, I'm all ears. I've always thought that was one of the most unusual triangles I've ever seen.
JB
You got the drift of my post.
But I'd much rather have had the opportunity to play Lake Forest at home than play on the road against anybody else. Even though that would have meant playing Wash U.
Our loss to Wash U. was early in the season (November 25th) and was the 5th game in an 8 day stretch - all 5 games on the road.
Would Wash U. have beat us in the DIII Tournament?
Who knows???
But I bet it would have been a much better game than the first one. And who knows, it might have been a home game for us (as stated before, I have no clue how the mastermixers end up deciding where the games are played)...
Well I would assume it would have been a much better game that the first one. If the first one was a 54 point loss, it can't get much worse than that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2009, 06:51:50 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2009, 06:51:50 AM
Quote from: closetothechest on January 30, 2009, 12:11:52 AMWell I would assume it would have been a much better game that the first one. If the first one was a 54 point loss, it can't get much worse than that.
And they might just have won the game.
Stout beat Point twice - 1st game 72 - 71 and the second game 82 - 64.
Point beat Wash U 66 - 60.
Stout's first game against Wash U. might just have been an aberration.
We'll never know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on January 30, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on January 30, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
I would like to extend a congratulations to Lisa Gratman for becoming UWP's most prolific three point shooter in UWP women's basketball history. She is now UWP's all time leader in three point baskets made.
story here (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/uwo2.html)
story here (http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0809/uwo2.html)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 31, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
Post by: buf on January 31, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
UWEC puts the hammer down on UWW by a score of 71-50. Witt has a career high in points with 28. Pam Kaye comes off the bench to put up an impressive 12pts.
A very well played game by EC. They had no trouble with the UWW pressure. EC only had 8 turnovers, compared to 18 for UWW. Actually, UWW's press really hurt themselves. EC burned them down the court time and time again, especially in the 2nd half. Most of these instances lead to a EC layup attempt by Witt. Besides the turnover advantage, the Blugolds also out rebounded UWW, 41 to 35, and outshot them, 41% to 32%. Defense was big again for EC. Holding a team like UWW to 50 points is tough to do. The zone defense in the post really limited Morton offensively. She only finished with 9pts.
Another good effort from EC's bench. They are starting to find scoring from those players to help complement the big 3 (Heidi A, Witt, Mesick)
A very well played game by EC. They had no trouble with the UWW pressure. EC only had 8 turnovers, compared to 18 for UWW. Actually, UWW's press really hurt themselves. EC burned them down the court time and time again, especially in the 2nd half. Most of these instances lead to a EC layup attempt by Witt. Besides the turnover advantage, the Blugolds also out rebounded UWW, 41 to 35, and outshot them, 41% to 32%. Defense was big again for EC. Holding a team like UWW to 50 points is tough to do. The zone defense in the post really limited Morton offensively. She only finished with 9pts.
Another good effort from EC's bench. They are starting to find scoring from those players to help complement the big 3 (Heidi A, Witt, Mesick)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 31, 2009, 08:34:26 PM
Post by: buf on January 31, 2009, 08:34:26 PM
Other scores from today,
Stout comes from behind to defeat UWO, 66-63.
UWP rolls RF, 61-43.
UWL over Superior, 80-72
Stout comes from behind to defeat UWO, 66-63.
UWP rolls RF, 61-43.
UWL over Superior, 80-72
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2009, 10:31:41 PM
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2009, 10:31:41 PM
Above description of EC very accurate. I would add:
I believe EC was waiting for the WW press. They had been working on the break off the press for much of the year. Tonight they perfected it. Was Witt in the "Witt Zone", absolutley. Her steals and game was superb. Hooray Heather. One could argue she is the best point in the conference and a good chance the best all round defender. Good to see Archie get the 13 points and Kaye was magnificant. D3 hoops noted something about the zone beating WW. I think it was the EC offense. They have so many weapons and really out ran WW.
I believe EC was waiting for the WW press. They had been working on the break off the press for much of the year. Tonight they perfected it. Was Witt in the "Witt Zone", absolutley. Her steals and game was superb. Hooray Heather. One could argue she is the best point in the conference and a good chance the best all round defender. Good to see Archie get the 13 points and Kaye was magnificant. D3 hoops noted something about the zone beating WW. I think it was the EC offense. They have so many weapons and really out ran WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 01, 2009, 06:48:40 AM
Post by: JMM on February 01, 2009, 06:48:40 AM
Curious to see if EC breaks the top 5 in the national rankings. They have wins against the current #2 team - Whitewater; and #3 team - Steven's Point who are also the only two EC loses. #5 Rochester beat Case Westtern Reserve 63-51. EC beat Case Western Reserve 82-40. While Amherst has only one loss, their schedule looks much easier than EC. Hope has substantial wins - all against teams with very substantial loses. Guess will leave it to the pros to decide.
EC still has several road games including an improving Stout team and of course the UWSP game at EC. EC could go very deep if they play confident and up to their ability. The Whitewater game maybe was a turning point.
EC still has several road games including an improving Stout team and of course the UWSP game at EC. EC could go very deep if they play confident and up to their ability. The Whitewater game maybe was a turning point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2009, 11:10:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2009, 11:10:55 AM
Lately we haven't been able to throw the ball in the ocean. ugh
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Post by: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: buf on January 31, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
UWEC puts the hammer down on UWW by a score of 71-50. Witt has a career high in points with 28. Pam Kaye comes off the bench to put up an impressive 12pts.
A very well played game by EC. They had no trouble with the UWW pressure. EC only had 8 turnovers, compared to 18 for UWW. Actually, UWW's press really hurt themselves. EC burned them down the court time and time again, especially in the 2nd half. Most of these instances lead to a EC layup attempt by Witt. Besides the turnover advantage, the Blugolds also out rebounded UWW, 41 to 35, and outshot them, 41% to 32%. Defense was big again for EC. Holding a team like UWW to 50 points is tough to do. The zone defense in the post really limited Morton offensively. She only finished with 9pts.
Another good effort from EC's bench. They are starting to find scoring from those players to help complement the big 3 (Heidi A, Witt, Mesick)
I think that maybe WW should look into not pressing so much. They really don't have that athletic post player that could trap last year like they had with Beuchner. Looks like their coach needs to get their team in order otherwise they are going to have to go to Point/EC in the second round on the WIAC tourney, then go to the other one possibly in the final. Going to be a tough road for the Warhawks.
Also, I am not so sure about those Blugold role players. It is so much easier to play at home when the team has a big lead than it is on the road in a close game. At last check, EC has four players in the 10 in minutes played this season for conference team. That shows that even their coach doesn't have that confidence in her role players.
They have a very challenging couple of weeks here. They go to Oshkosh on Wednesday, a long trip and potentially tough game. Then they must go to River Falls on Saturday in what is for sure to be a difficult game. Then they must get on the bus and travel out to South Dakota to play on Sunday! That is a lot of miles. After their trips, they get to come back home to play Stevens Point. This is going to define what kind of team EC is this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 11:47:06 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 11:47:06 AM
Wow, a meaningless nonconference game that was canceled earlier in the season because of weather. This game, played on Sunday before their biggest test of the season against Point. I would have thought that Tonja would have fought tooth and nail to not make that Sunday jaunt.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 12:00:59 PM
Post by: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 11:47:06 AM
Wow, a meaningless nonconference game that was canceled earlier in the season because of weather. This game, played on Sunday before their biggest test of the season against Point. I would have thought that Tonja would have fought tooth and nail to not make that Sunday jaunt.
Well I am guessing she did. I am assuming that they are getting some cash for this game since they are playing a a high ranking D2 school on the road. They did make it to the D2 championship game last season. Who would have ever thought a non-conference game scheduled for December could have influence on a conference title.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 01, 2009, 02:51:33 PM
Post by: buf on February 01, 2009, 02:51:33 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 12:00:59 PMQuote from: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 11:47:06 AM
Wow, a meaningless nonconference game that was canceled earlier in the season because of weather. This game, played on Sunday before their biggest test of the season against Point. I would have thought that Tonja would have fought tooth and nail to not make that Sunday jaunt.
Well I am guessing she did. I am assuming that they are getting some cash for this game since they are playing a a high ranking D2 school on the road. They did make it to the D2 championship game last season. Who would have ever thought a non-conference game scheduled for December could have influence on a conference title.
Actually, I believe that South Dakota is now D1. Tonya probably just really wanted to have her team play this game. How often does a D3 team get to play a D1 team in the regular season. I bet it will provide a great experience for the players.
I do agree with you that the game takes place at a not-so-good time on the schedule. Going to River Falls on Saturday, then play a game on Sunday in the Dakotas, then travel all the way back to take on Point on Wednesday. It will definitely provide a challenge to the Golds. Its just so tough to reschedule these games. It would have been nice if EC could have done it during their bye (Feb 14), but you also have to see how it works in with South Dakota's schedule. It will be interesting to see how long Englund plays the starters in that South Dakota game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 01, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
Post by: buf on February 01, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
I listened to Hoopsville today. Great interview by Coach Englund, who was a featured guest. Good job coach!
Englund explained some reasons on why they are playing the South Dakota game:
- Englunds former coach from when she played at Wyoming coached at South Dakota (he retired before this season). It was scheduled last season when he was coaching. Englund wanted to make it a commitment to play the game.
-A good opportunity to test her team. Very good competition.
-To show what D3 has to offer. How far is the gap between D1 and D3?
I think you can listen to the past shows of Hoopsville, in case if anyone wants to catch the interview. It occurred about and hour and a half into the show.
Englund explained some reasons on why they are playing the South Dakota game:
- Englunds former coach from when she played at Wyoming coached at South Dakota (he retired before this season). It was scheduled last season when he was coaching. Englund wanted to make it a commitment to play the game.
-A good opportunity to test her team. Very good competition.
-To show what D3 has to offer. How far is the gap between D1 and D3?
I think you can listen to the past shows of Hoopsville, in case if anyone wants to catch the interview. It occurred about and hour and a half into the show.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 01, 2009, 04:20:28 PM
Post by: buf on February 01, 2009, 04:20:28 PM
A big THANK YOU to Pat Coleman, who broadcasted the game from Zorn yesterday.
What were your thoughts about the game/atmoshpere?
Hope you will be back soon.
What were your thoughts about the game/atmoshpere?
Hope you will be back soon.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
I know you EC guys don't like to pull for us "Stoutguys" much, but how about on Wednesday night? I am looking forward to watching a great battle. I predict Stout catches Point looking ahead and pulls the upset. Julia scores at least 26 for the 4th straight game and the bus pizza tastes the best that it has tasted all season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 01, 2009, 09:29:58 PM
Post by: JMM on February 01, 2009, 09:29:58 PM
As an EC guy, I think JH on Stout is the best player in the conference. She is also a wonderful person. Of course EC fans are routing for Stout at UWSP. More so fear playing the Blues Devils on their turf in a few wweks. l live close to Menomonie, and am often at Stout. Mark is a grand coach and always ready to talk.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 10:36:04 PM
Post by: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 01, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
I know you EC guys don't like to pull for us "Stoutguys" much, but how about on Wednesday night? I am looking forward to watching a great battle. I predict Stout catches Point looking ahead and pulls the upset. Julia scores at least 26 for the 4th straight game and the bus pizza tastes the best that it has tasted all season.
I doubt Point will be looking ahead to Superior, their Saturday opponent. I understand that some teams get caught looking one game ahead, but I have never heard of a team looking TWO games ahead. By looking at box scores Point hasn't looked ahead all season. I think Hirssig is going to get hers, but might not be enough. I mean other than her, even though she is great, how many all-conference players do they really have? As for the Pointers, they haven't lost a conference home game in two years.
Quote from: buf on February 01, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
Englund explained some reasons on why they are playing the South Dakota game:
- Englunds former coach from when she played at Wyoming coached at South Dakota (he retired before this season). It was scheduled last season when he was coaching. Englund wanted to make it a commitment to play the game.
-A good opportunity to test her team. Very good competition.
-To show what D3 has to offer. How far is the gap between D1 and D3?
Coach Englund is a great coach. She has great teams every year. I think that they originally scheduled the SD game to test themselves. Everyone knows she has a good team. They have been ranked in top 10 for most of the year. It was just unfortunate that it got pushed back to early Feb instead of mid December when it was supposed to be played. Truth be told, this game is most likely going to hurt them more than help them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 01, 2009, 11:55:12 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 01, 2009, 11:55:12 PM
Looking at the Player of Week for this past week. I am thinking it is between Hunter and Witt if they are nominated. I gotta go with Hunter. I am sure there will be other thoughts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 02, 2009, 07:44:11 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 02, 2009, 07:44:11 AM
Quote from: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 10:36:04 PMShe has great teams every year.
It's only been a few seasons ago that EC went 8 - 8 in back to back seasons (03-04 and 04-05).
Going .500 in back to back seasons in the WIAC does not constitute greatness.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 02, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
Post by: closetothechest on February 02, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
Maybe I should have used good teams or said almost every year. She has good teams almost every year. Point taken.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 02, 2009, 12:36:13 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 02, 2009, 12:36:13 PM
I've seen pretty much every team now this year, and I have to say if I had a vote, Hirssig would be my POY, hands down. Maybe I'll change my mind with another look at EC Wednesday, but not sure who would impress me more.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2009, 12:51:46 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2009, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 02, 2009, 07:44:11 AMQuote from: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 10:36:04 PMShe has great teams every year.
It's only been a few seasons ago that EC went 8 - 8 in back to back seasons (03-04 and 04-05).
Going .500 in back to back seasons in the WIAC does not constitute greatness.
EC was 12-4 in 03-04. They went 8-8 in 04-05 and 05-06. I think they struggled in 05-06 because Burns was injured most of the year. She was only able to see the floor in 15 games. I mean think about how it hurts to have your best player off the floor. Is Stout, LC, or WW a .500 team with their best player only playing 15 games? It isn't a stretch to say no.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 02, 2009, 05:33:57 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 02, 2009, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 02, 2009, 07:44:11 AMQuote from: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 10:36:04 PMShe has great teams every year.
It's only been a few seasons ago that EC went 8 - 8 in back to back seasons (03-04 and 04-05).
Going .500 in back to back seasons in the WIAC does not constitute greatness.
No, but having its last two coaches with .743 and .824 career winning percentages at UWEC constitutes a great D3 women's basketball program...
stoutguy - having a Blugold root for a Stout team? I don't know - that's like asking a Green Bay fan, especially some who live in GB, to root for the Chicago Bears! Not gonna happen! Ever! Ha.
(Sorry all you Minnesota or GB fans on the west side of the Wisconsin who think the Vikings are the Packers chief rivalry. They aren't, and never will be. It will always be Da Bears.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 02, 2009, 06:34:43 PM
Post by: billys on February 02, 2009, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2009, 12:51:46 PMThat year La Crosse went 19-8 with their best player playing the first game and a half. Lindsay Wahl was out for the year as well. Obviously it's a big factor; but it can't really be an excuse.Quote from: The Champ on February 02, 2009, 07:44:11 AMQuote from: closetothechest on February 01, 2009, 10:36:04 PMShe has great teams every year.
It's only been a few seasons ago that EC went 8 - 8 in back to back seasons (03-04 and 04-05).
Going .500 in back to back seasons in the WIAC does not constitute greatness.
EC was 12-4 in 03-04. They went 8-8 in 04-05 and 05-06. I think they struggled in 05-06 because Burns was injured most of the year. She was only able to see the floor in 15 games. I mean think about how it hurts to have your best player off the floor. Is Stout, LC, or WW a .500 team with their best player only playing 15 games? It isn't a stretch to say no.
At the same time, I think it was either that year or the year prior where Duoss missed a game for a wedding and Stout got beat by Point by about 30. Then Schulz I believe missed the game at Stout and they returned the favor with a beating; and their absences were obviously KEY reasons.
So I just contradicted myself
But I'll also say if two .500 years take away greatness; that's a tough pedestal to reach without falling off.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2009, 07:56:48 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2009, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2009, 12:51:46 PMEC was 12-4 in 03-04. They went 8-8 in 04-05 and 05-06. .
I stand corrected... :-[
Quote from: bulk19No, but having its last two coaches with .743 and .824 career winning percentages at UWEC constitutes a great D3 women's basketball program...
Which has nothing to do with my post in regards to TE not having "great teams every year" - unless you consider an 8 - 8 team great.
Quote from: billysBut I'll also say if two .500 years take away greatness; that's a tough pedestal to reach without falling off.
Two .500 years don't take away greatness from the overall program, but as stated above, an 8 - 8 team is not a great team, at least not in my opinion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 03, 2009, 12:07:44 PM
Post by: closetothechest on February 03, 2009, 12:07:44 PM
Just on Stevens Point's website. First congratulations to Shirley Egner on earning her 350th collegiate win against the Falcons last Wednesday. Great accomplishment!
Also, it looks like they are raising quite a bit of money for their Pink Zone campaign. Assistant coach Megan Wilson is going to shave her head if she can raise $2500 and is already a little over $2000. Looks like she is going to get the last $500 and shave that head. In addition to this, they have raised over $1800 for their charity, the St Michael's Hat and Wig Program, through fundraisers and silent auctions. Looks like they are great people in addition to a great team.
Also, it looks like they are raising quite a bit of money for their Pink Zone campaign. Assistant coach Megan Wilson is going to shave her head if she can raise $2500 and is already a little over $2000. Looks like she is going to get the last $500 and shave that head. In addition to this, they have raised over $1800 for their charity, the St Michael's Hat and Wig Program, through fundraisers and silent auctions. Looks like they are great people in addition to a great team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on February 03, 2009, 12:07:44 PMAssistant coach Megan Wilson is going to shave her head if she can raise $2500 and is already a little over $2000. Looks like she is going to get the last $500 and shave that head.
That's showing great commitment to a very worthwhile cause! Kudos to her!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 03, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 03, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
WIAC Top 25 teams:
Point is #2
UWEC is #5
UWW is #11
UWL with 11 receiving votes
Point is #2
UWEC is #5
UWW is #11
UWL with 11 receiving votes
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 03, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
Post by: JMM on February 03, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
Congrats to Heather Witt for making the D3Hoops team of the week and WIAC player of the week. Also congrats to Julia Hirssig for her continued fantastic play. JH could/should be a first team all american choice.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 04, 2009, 12:45:11 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 04, 2009, 12:45:11 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 03, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
Congrats to Heather Witt for making the D3Hoops team of the week and WIAC player of the week. Also congrats to Julia Hirssig for her continued fantastic play. JH could/should be a first team all american choice.
Well I will once again disagree with POW with Witt winning it over Hunter, not that it matters :D . Even though they played the same two teams and Hunter had better numbers, Witt got the honor. Any thoughts? Just a good discussion question.
FG 3PT FTS ORB DRB RB Fs PTS Asts TOs Blks Steals Minutes
30 Hunter, Mackenzie... * 11-17 2-2 8-16 1 6 7 3 32 4 1 1 4 35 W @ Sup
30 Hunter, Mackenzie... * 8-16 1-2 2-2 2 4 6 2 19 2 5 0 3 36 W @ WW
22 Witt, Heather * 3-8 2-6 0-0 0 3 3 0 8 7 3 0 5 26 W vs Sup
22 Witt, Heather * 11-21 2-5 4-4 0 4 4 2 28 3 2 0 4 34 W vs WW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2009, 07:29:34 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2009, 07:29:34 AM
Well, it's for sure that Hunter outscored Witt from the numbers, but...
Witt had 10 assists to Hunter's 6
Witt had only 5 turnovers to Hunter's 6
Witt had 9 steals to Hunter's 7
Witt shot 100% from the charity stripe to Hunter's 56%
Just sayin... ;)
Maybe points scored isn't the only criteria used... ;D
Witt had 10 assists to Hunter's 6
Witt had only 5 turnovers to Hunter's 6
Witt had 9 steals to Hunter's 7
Witt shot 100% from the charity stripe to Hunter's 56%
Just sayin... ;)
Maybe points scored isn't the only criteria used... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2009, 09:57:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2009, 09:57:09 AM
Obviously efficency isn't a criteria because if it was.....
Hunter's efficency rating for the two games was +50
Witt's efficency rating for the two games was +42
It's close though. Interestingly both played the same opponents.
Hunter's efficency rating for the two games was +50
Witt's efficency rating for the two games was +42
It's close though. Interestingly both played the same opponents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on February 04, 2009, 11:13:25 AM
Post by: janesvilleflash on February 04, 2009, 11:13:25 AM
But.....Witt's best game was against WW and Hunter's against Sup.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 04, 2009, 12:35:19 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 04, 2009, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: janesvilleflash on February 04, 2009, 11:13:25 AM
But.....Witt's best game was against WW and Hunter's against Sup.
I don't think it is fair to penalize Hunter because she played great against Superior and only really good against WW. I don't believe this argument.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Hunter's best game was more efficent than Witt's (+33 vs +27) and her worst game was more efficent than Witt (+17 vs. +15).
I'm simply crunching the numbers using a formula which takes all significant aspects of a game into account. By that method Hunter had better games. Though my comments should not be taken to mean that I think Witt didn't deserve the honors. I have no problem at all with her being named and her performances certainly put her in position to be named to both teams.
Besides taking into account how poorly the WARHAWKS played against both LaCrosse and Eau Claire I'm not sure how much difference it makes.
I'm simply crunching the numbers using a formula which takes all significant aspects of a game into account. By that method Hunter had better games. Though my comments should not be taken to mean that I think Witt didn't deserve the honors. I have no problem at all with her being named and her performances certainly put her in position to be named to both teams.
Besides taking into account how poorly the WARHAWKS played against both LaCrosse and Eau Claire I'm not sure how much difference it makes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 04, 2009, 01:24:33 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 04, 2009, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
Hunter's best game was more efficent than Witt's (+33 vs +27) and her worst game was more efficent than Witt (+17 vs. +15).
I'm simply crunching the numbers using a formula which takes all significant aspects of a game into account. By that method Hunter had better games. Though my comments should not be taken to mean that I think Witt didn't deserve the honors. I have no problem at all with her being named and her performances certainly put her in position to be named to both teams.
Besides taking into account how poorly the WARHAWKS played against both LaCrosse and Eau Claire I'm not sure how much difference it makes.
I just like discussion. It could have went either way. Six in one group and half dozen in the other.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 04, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
Post by: JMM on February 04, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
On Witt, I beleive Pat Coleman from D3hoops was at the game btw UWWW and UWEC. Given the importance of the game and the incredible way Witt played, that might have been part of the equation. What the stats do not show is her totally devasting the UWWW press single handily and then passing off to others when she could have taken the shot. She was on fire and as fast as lightening. Again - appreciate that formulas are formulas.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 04, 2009, 10:15:19 PM
Post by: JMM on February 04, 2009, 10:15:19 PM
Julia Hirssig for President. Hooray Stout - back in the high-life again! Any details on the victory? Read JH at 37.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 04, 2009, 11:37:02 PM
Post by: buf on February 04, 2009, 11:37:02 PM
Tonight's scores:
RF 88
Sup 62
UWL 80
UWP 50
UWEC 61
UWO 55
AND.....
Stout 67
Point 64
Hirssig with 37pts, 12rebs
RF 88
Sup 62
UWL 80
UWP 50
UWEC 61
UWO 55
AND.....
Stout 67
Point 64
Hirssig with 37pts, 12rebs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 01:15:03 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 01:15:03 AM
I don't think the term "Man among boys" is a politically correct term when viewing women's basketball, but it is the only term to fit Julia Hirssig. 14-23 fgs, 9-12 free throws (last two to win the game), 12 rebounds in 33 minutes of play. Use whatever charts, graphs, or formulas you want to determine POW choices, Julia Hirssig is by far, the best player in the WIAC conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2009, 07:58:11 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2009, 07:58:11 AM
Have to give credit to Charlee Edwards performance in the last 2:28 of the game.
She sunk a 3 pointer to pull Stout within 3 points, a layup to put the deficit back to only 3 points, a layup to pull within 1 point before Hirssig was fouled for the game winning points, and then captured the defensive rebound on Bandow's missed 3 pointer before being fouled herself with 1 second to go.
And she made her two FT's for a total of 9 points in a very critical stretch!
Having said that, Hirssig's performance against one of the top teams in the country was amazing. Some people dismissed her 37 point performance against UWO - because it was against UWO. Well, she just backed that up with an exclamation point (no pun intended) last night against Point.
Wish I could have been there to see that performance.
Now, is it too much to hope for a repeat performance on Saturday against WW??? ;D
She sunk a 3 pointer to pull Stout within 3 points, a layup to put the deficit back to only 3 points, a layup to pull within 1 point before Hirssig was fouled for the game winning points, and then captured the defensive rebound on Bandow's missed 3 pointer before being fouled herself with 1 second to go.
And she made her two FT's for a total of 9 points in a very critical stretch!
Having said that, Hirssig's performance against one of the top teams in the country was amazing. Some people dismissed her 37 point performance against UWO - because it was against UWO. Well, she just backed that up with an exclamation point (no pun intended) last night against Point.
Wish I could have been there to see that performance.
Now, is it too much to hope for a repeat performance on Saturday against WW??? ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
My 2 cents for what it's worth or not worth.
I have seen Stout play many games last year and this year and previous 4 years. They are a force to be reckoned with. Quite simply, Hrirssig is the best player in D3 Woman's. Her abilities, tenacity, determination and work ethic have been there since she was a freshman. She is also a "class act". Stout had the potential all this season. It is now coming together. I think they will beat WW - easily. I also think they have a great chance of taking the WIAC tourney for the NCAA berth. They have super speed, the best player in D3. They also have talent beyond JH and an ICON for a coach. More of my 2 cents:
There is no way WW will beat Stout - 2/3 of the way through the EC game, the WW team was coming to the reality that they are just not that super. Very one dimensional - Morten. As far as the WW intense defense, it hasn't been there all year. EC cut there press and defense like butter. Per earlier posts Buechner was the leader, heart and soul that got them so far last year. They had a super easy schedule at the start of this year. When they played EC the first time, Witt spent most of the game on the bench with fouls and the refs`calls helped WW alot more than EC. WW will probably not make the NCAA tourney. A loss to Stout on Saturday and a loss to SP will knock them out. They could also lose another game if there is a total collapse.
If EC doesn't choke to UWRF, the EC-UWSP game is a huge game. This is a pretty mature EC team that does not panic (example away games - Superior and Oshkosh) EC has a fair chance of beating SP at home (fair - SP is the real deal).
With the loss to Stout by UWSP, EC (if they beat UWRF) could be the number 1 NCAA Central Regional Rank in next weeks ranking - remember they have beaten SP. EC has had the toughest schedule. While IL Wes. has no loses, they have had a very easy schedule. I think the NCAA will not make IL Wes. the #1 seed (similiar to St Thomas being #2 in the men's ranking - though St Thomas is undefeated).
If Stout was to take the tourney, at this juncture UWSP, EC and UWW are all on bubble for NCAA tourney bids. Again the basic premise is that Stout is alive and well and takes the WIAC Tourney - which today is very possible.
Looking into the crystal ball (and for my 2 cents) Stout, UWSP and EC go to the NCAA Tourney. Stout and EC battle for the WIAC crown next year with both WW and SP in a rebuilding year. There's my two cents, should generate some kind of response from all of you. Love that WIAC.
I have seen Stout play many games last year and this year and previous 4 years. They are a force to be reckoned with. Quite simply, Hrirssig is the best player in D3 Woman's. Her abilities, tenacity, determination and work ethic have been there since she was a freshman. She is also a "class act". Stout had the potential all this season. It is now coming together. I think they will beat WW - easily. I also think they have a great chance of taking the WIAC tourney for the NCAA berth. They have super speed, the best player in D3. They also have talent beyond JH and an ICON for a coach. More of my 2 cents:
There is no way WW will beat Stout - 2/3 of the way through the EC game, the WW team was coming to the reality that they are just not that super. Very one dimensional - Morten. As far as the WW intense defense, it hasn't been there all year. EC cut there press and defense like butter. Per earlier posts Buechner was the leader, heart and soul that got them so far last year. They had a super easy schedule at the start of this year. When they played EC the first time, Witt spent most of the game on the bench with fouls and the refs`calls helped WW alot more than EC. WW will probably not make the NCAA tourney. A loss to Stout on Saturday and a loss to SP will knock them out. They could also lose another game if there is a total collapse.
If EC doesn't choke to UWRF, the EC-UWSP game is a huge game. This is a pretty mature EC team that does not panic (example away games - Superior and Oshkosh) EC has a fair chance of beating SP at home (fair - SP is the real deal).
With the loss to Stout by UWSP, EC (if they beat UWRF) could be the number 1 NCAA Central Regional Rank in next weeks ranking - remember they have beaten SP. EC has had the toughest schedule. While IL Wes. has no loses, they have had a very easy schedule. I think the NCAA will not make IL Wes. the #1 seed (similiar to St Thomas being #2 in the men's ranking - though St Thomas is undefeated).
If Stout was to take the tourney, at this juncture UWSP, EC and UWW are all on bubble for NCAA tourney bids. Again the basic premise is that Stout is alive and well and takes the WIAC Tourney - which today is very possible.
Looking into the crystal ball (and for my 2 cents) Stout, UWSP and EC go to the NCAA Tourney. Stout and EC battle for the WIAC crown next year with both WW and SP in a rebuilding year. There's my two cents, should generate some kind of response from all of you. Love that WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Obviously we don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell so we might just as well give up. Don't even bother to send your women's team down here this weekend. >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
My two cents that is all. Again - Stout is on a roll and coming into their groove, WW has some uphill work to do and has been on a major down hill turn.. Saturday will be a good test for just how good WW is. Remember - EC will be put to the same challenge when they play Stout at Stout to end the season. Have you seen Hirsig this year? She is focused, mature, in control and doesn't worry much. Just wants to work hard and shoot hoops (oh yeah and rebound and play great defense).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Obviously we don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell so we might just as well give up. Don't even bother to send your women's team down here this weekend. >:(
BW. Who in your wildest dreams would be less likely than me to try to have a calming influence on the folks who imply that WW does not stand a chance. I usually like to stir the pot. In this case, however I beg for restraint when talking about what might happen this weekend and beyond. I don't think there is a bigger supporter of Julia Hirssig than myself. Having said that, I remember the first WW match up and remember thinking that WW (and Morten) were just too good to compete with this year. Nothing has been decided by Stout's win last night except that some of the WIAC folks were a bit quick to dismiss Stout this year as one of the teams who would compete. Mark Thomas has 384 wins under his belt. Only Shirley is close. My comment regarding what is going to happen Sat. and the rest of the way would be to suggest that Stout can compete and I think they will.
I regret that I will not be making the trip to WW to receive the usual great treatment from BW and his crew as I work a HS game back here, do our Sat. morning show (Your buddy, Jack Bennett will be on talking about the upcoming new paint on the SP court), and then I have to go to Florida for a week. I love Florida but I would love to see that Hirssig/Morten battle again. Keep me posted.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 05, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
Post by: closetothechest on February 05, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
My 2 cents for what it's worth or not worth.
I have seen Stout play many games last year and this year and previous 4 years. They are a force to be reckoned with. Quite simply, Hrirssig is the best player in D3 Woman's. Her abilities, tenacity, determination and work ethic have been there since she was a freshman. She is also a "class act". Stout had the potential all this season. It is now coming together. I think they will beat WW - easily. I also think they have a great chance of taking the WIAC tourney for the NCAA berth. They have super speed, the best player in D3. They also have talent beyond JH and an ICON for a coach. More of my 2 cents:
There is no way WW will beat Stout - 2/3 of the way through the EC game, the WW team was coming to the reality that they are just not that super. Very one dimensional - Morten. As far as the WW intense defense, it hasn't been there all year. EC cut there press and defense like butter. Per earlier posts Buechner was the leader, heart and soul that got them so far last year. They had a super easy schedule at the start of this year. When they played EC the first time, Witt spent most of the game on the bench with fouls and the refs`calls helped WW alot more than EC. WW will probably not make the NCAA tourney. A loss to Stout on Saturday and a loss to SP will knock them out. They could also lose another game if there is a total collapse.
If EC doesn't choke to UWRF, the EC-UWSP game is a huge game. This is a pretty mature EC team that does not panic (example away games - Superior and Oshkosh) EC has a fair chance of beating SP at home (fair - SP is the real deal).
With the loss to Stout by UWSP, EC (if they beat UWRF) could be the number 1 NCAA Central Regional Rank in next weeks ranking - remember they have beaten SP. EC has had the toughest schedule. While IL Wes. has no loses, they have had a very easy schedule. I think the NCAA will not make IL Wes. the #1 seed (similiar to St Thomas being #2 in the men's ranking - though St Thomas is undefeated).
If Stout was to take the tourney, at this juncture UWSP, EC and UWW are all on bubble for NCAA tourney bids. Again the basic premise is that Stout is alive and well and takes the WIAC Tourney - which today is very possible.
Looking into the crystal ball (and for my 2 cents) Stout, UWSP and EC go to the NCAA Tourney. Stout and EC battle for the WIAC crown next year with both WW and SP in a rebuilding year. There's my two cents, should generate some kind of response from all of you. Love that WIAC.
I never thought a person could get so much from one game. I am assuming that you are predicting a complete collapse of UWSP, EC, and UWW for them not to make the tournament. THE NATHC, CCIW, MWC, and SLIAC will most likely all only get one team in unless there is an upset in their conference tournaments. This leaves at least one pool C bid for a deserving WIAC team one would think.
Good discussion question.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 05, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 05, 2009, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
While IL Wes. has no loses, they have had a very easy schedule. I think the NCAA will not make IL Wes. the #1 seed (similiar to St Thomas being #2 in the men's ranking - though St Thomas is undefeated).
Hello WIAC folks,
This season Illinois Wesleyan has defeated DePauw (#3 at the time) on a neutral court, Wash U (#7 at the time) at Wash U, and Chicago (#12 at the time) at Chicago by double digits. They've also scheduled several games against tough physical competition from NAIA teams, including a February 17 game at Olivet Nazarene (receiving votes in the NAIA polls). It's true that the rest of the CCIW is somewhat down this year, but calling IWU's schedule "very easy" is a little unfair.
I am looking forward to seeing some WIAC teams in the not too distant future!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 11:52:56 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Obviously we don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell so we might just as well give up. Don't even bother to send your women's team down here this weekend. >:(
BW. Who in your wildest dreams would be less likely than me to try to have a calming influence on the folks who imply that WW does not stand a chance. I usually like to stir the pot. In this case, however I beg for restraint when talking about what might happen this weekend and beyond. I don't think there is a bigger supporter of Julia Hirssig than myself. Having said that, I remember the first WW match up and remember thinking that WW (and Morten) were just too good to compete with this year. Nothing has been decided by Stout's win last night except that some of the WIAC folks were a bit quick to dismiss Stout this year as one of the teams who would compete. Mark Thomas has 384 wins under his belt. Only Shirley is close. My comment regarding what is going to happen Sat. and the rest of the way would be to suggest that Stout can compete and I think they will.
I regret that I will not be making the trip to WW to receive the usual great treatment from BW and his crew as I work a HS game back here, do our Sat. morning show (Your buddy, Jack Bennett will be on talking about the upcoming new paint on the SP court), and then I have to go to Florida for a week. I love Florida but I would love to see that Hirssig/Morten battle again. Keep me posted.
There are some things that are a given. Like the sun rising in the east. And one of them is that a Mark Thomas coached Stout team can compete year in and year out. Nobody in WW has dismissed Stout now or at the beginning of the season. They are a team that you must beat if you want to contend. I just wish we were playing a little better than we have been lately.
Tell Jack that BW says hi and that I have said nice things about him on D3hoops.com. :D
I think the honor of having the court named for him and Dick is very well deserved.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 12:39:17 PM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 12:39:17 PM
Not necessarily saying only 1 WIAC team in NCAA. I think Stout could win the WIAC Tourney. If that happens, WW is in trouble of making the Tourney facing Stout and SP before the close of things.
Door still wide open for EC and SP to get in the tourney if Stout wins the WIAC berth. I see Stout as being very strong. Pressue is not going to get to Hirsig (though it may others) also they really don't have much to lose and everything to gain.
I guess with the lose of two seniors last year, I didn't figure WW would be in it for the long term - my two cents, Lindsey Buechner was the heart of the WW team last year. I could be wrong. I think Sonntag and Morton are solid, solid players. I think WW could win almost any other conference with the 2-3 good players.
That said, EC and SP have at least 4 good players. For EC that does not includie Missy Fermstad who is also a solid player. EC has also added a 6'5 center in the last few games that blocks shots. While young - she is coming along just fine. Messick at 6'2 and Plendil at 6'5 is pretty menacing. Add Witt, Heidi A. and Fermstad pretty strong team.
To close, unless foul trouble hits Hirsig, Stout is going to be awfully tough to beat.
Time will tell, though it's getting to be time now, isn't it.
Door still wide open for EC and SP to get in the tourney if Stout wins the WIAC berth. I see Stout as being very strong. Pressue is not going to get to Hirsig (though it may others) also they really don't have much to lose and everything to gain.
I guess with the lose of two seniors last year, I didn't figure WW would be in it for the long term - my two cents, Lindsey Buechner was the heart of the WW team last year. I could be wrong. I think Sonntag and Morton are solid, solid players. I think WW could win almost any other conference with the 2-3 good players.
That said, EC and SP have at least 4 good players. For EC that does not includie Missy Fermstad who is also a solid player. EC has also added a 6'5 center in the last few games that blocks shots. While young - she is coming along just fine. Messick at 6'2 and Plendil at 6'5 is pretty menacing. Add Witt, Heidi A. and Fermstad pretty strong team.
To close, unless foul trouble hits Hirsig, Stout is going to be awfully tough to beat.
Time will tell, though it's getting to be time now, isn't it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 12:43:35 PM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2009, 12:43:35 PM
QuoteThis season Illinois Wesleyan has defeated DePauw (#3 at the time) on a neutral court, Wash U (#7 at the time) at Wash U, and Chicago (#12 at the time) at Chicago by double digits. They've also scheduled several games against tough physical competition from NAIA teams, including a February 17 game at Olivet Nazarene (receiving votes in the NAIA polls). It's true that the rest of the CCIW is somewhat down this year, but calling IWU's schedule "very easy" is a little unfair.
Point well taken on IL Wesleyan! from WIAC fan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RogK on February 05, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Post by: RogK on February 05, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Illinois Wesleyan does have the easiest in-conference schedule in the CCIW -- they're the only team who doesn't have to play Illinois Wesleyan.
(ha ha)
(ha ha)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2009, 07:18:04 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2009, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
I don't think there is a bigger supporter of Julia Hirssig than myself.
I could argue that point, but what good would it do??? ;D (well, you are taller than me, so I'd lose that part of the argument for sure)
But I was watching her play BB before she came to Stout, which I don't think you had the opportunity to do...
I went to 3 or 4 of her games with Coach T when he was recruiting her as a HS senior, and got to know her and her family that year.
And she is really an outstanding young lady with a very bright future in front of her with her determination and grit!
I sure hope that JMM is 100% correct in his predictions, but I'm not ready to bury UWW. I still think there is life down south, and expect a very hard fought game on Saturday.
I too will miss this game, although going out to dinner with BW again would be a true pleasure. Mrs. Champ won't be home from Alberta until 2:30 PM on Saturday, and it's a long drive from Rochester to WW.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
When did it become acceptable for officials to not enforce a rule and then offer an explanation that is not even close to being in the rulebook? It is one thing to not make a call because you don't know the rule (and I'm thinking there are far too many instances of that), but to try to explain to a coach why you made that decision with an explanation that doesn't even sniff the rulebook is just plain ignorance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
When did it become acceptable for officials to not enforce a rule and then offer an explanation that is not even close to being in the rulebook? It is one thing to not make a call because you don't know the rule (and I'm thinking there are far too many instances of that), but to try to explain to a coach why you made that decision with an explanation that doesn't even sniff the rulebook is just plain ignorance.
I am also sick of officials not enforcing the rules. This year one of the points of emphasis was the handchecking rule. A person gets one touch and then no more. If they break the "hot stove" rule, then it should be a foul every time. This is easy to see, but officials continue to not call it. I can understand that an official does not want to call a foul every time down the floor, but if the players are fouling every time then they must call it. If it is called early and consistently then there is no problem. I have not seen any other conference play, but I would guess that the WIAC has some of the worst officials in the nation despite it being one of the best conferences in terms of teams.
Also, I do not understand why some poorer officials get games that influence the conference race. I heard the crew that was in SP the other night was just awful for both teams. Travels, 3 seconds, and handchecks were all missed. I hope there are good ones Saturday in WW, but I doubt it. I know some of this has to do with traveling and funds, but these officials are making $100 a game. If someone is making $50 a hour, they can at least do their job correctly.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
Those are all great examples of rules that are always missed during play. I think a few EC players are still in the lane at Kolf. I'm talking about a deadball situation, which is even worse. Not a time during play when officials have to make a quick determination, but when the clock is stopped and an infraction happens. No excuse for that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 01:20:05 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
Those are all great examples of rules that are always missed during play. I think a few EC players are still in the lane at Kolf. I'm talking about a deadball situation, which is even worse. Not a time during play when officials have to make a quick determination, but when the clock is stopped and an infraction happens. No excuse for that.
What was the call that was missed? Travel out of bounds or intentional foul or what?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Substitue ran near the scorers table, yelled her number, and onto the court without a buzzer or beckoning. Technical foul under 10-3-12. Official said if its a sub at a dead ball, it is OK. When else is a team going to sub?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
There are no EC players still in the lane at Kolf. I saw them in the lane at Zorn just last night. I think they were heading toward UWRF and then to S. Dakota (for better or for worse). That said - your point is well taken and usually applicable to all teams and all refs all the time - maybe we need instant replay and coaches should have red flags to throw on the court when a ref misses a call. Better yet maybe the fans should have the flags, Again the point is valid. Hope you don't mind my humor. Really don't know how one deals with it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Substitue ran near the scorers table, yelled her number, and onto the court without a buzzer or beckoning. Technical foul under 10-3-12. Official said if its a sub at a dead ball, it is OK. When else is a team going to sub?
That is a shame. That clearly should have been a technical foul. A buzzer does not mean anything. It is simply used to get the officials attention so they can make a call. The player must be called into the game and have her number written down in the book.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 06, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
There are no EC players still in the lane at Kolf. I saw them in the lane at Zorn just last night. I think they were heading toward UWRF and then to S. Dakota (for better or for worse). That said - your point is well taken and usually applicable to all teams and all refs all the time - maybe we need instant replay and coaches should have red flags to throw on the court when a ref misses a call. Better yet maybe the fans should have the flags, Again the point is valid. Hope you don't mind my humor. Really don't know how one deals with it.
That would be good, since every fan in the stands is obviously a registered official. At least in my experience. Maybe one of these years they will actually offer their services instead of their opinions.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
I was wrong earlier. These officials are actually making $145 each for their efforts. That means that teams are paying $435 a game to have officials work their games who do not even know the rules or choose not to enforce them. I wish I had a job where I could make over $70 a hour and not have do it properly.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
Well, if you're looking for that, either DC or Wall Street are the places to go! :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Or General Motors or Merril Lynch, or Crysler or .....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2009, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2009, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
I was wrong earlier. These officials are actually making $145 each for their efforts. That means that teams are paying $435 a game to have officials work their games who do not even know the rules or choose not to enforce them. I wish I had a job where I could make over $70 a hour and not have do it properly.
Well, just to play devil's advocate...
This is not always the case, but I am aware that many times officials travel 1 - 2 hours (I know for a fact that there have been officials at Stout games that have 2 hours travel time) each way to officiate a game. Now I realize that many people commute to work (I commute 30 minutes each way), but I'm also working 8 hours once I get there. I also choose where I live and where I work.
An official officiates the games that they are assigned. I also believe that they arrive well before the start of a game, but they are usually gone very quickly after the game. This is only my opinion, but I think that in many cases an official has 5 - 6 hours invested to earn that $145.00.
I am sure they are paid mileage, as they should be, but that only reimburses them the same as any other person traveling for business.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 06, 2009, 09:28:56 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 06, 2009, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 06, 2009, 08:19:24 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
I was wrong earlier. These officials are actually making $145 each for their efforts. That means that teams are paying $435 a game to have officials work their games who do not even know the rules or choose not to enforce them. I wish I had a job where I could make over $70 a hour and not have do it properly.
Well, just to play devil's advocate...
This is not always the case, but I am aware that many times officials travel 1 - 2 hours (I know for a fact that there have been officials at Stout games that have 2 hours travel time) each way to officiate a game. Now I realize that many people commute to work (I commute 30 minutes each way), but I'm also working 8 hours once I get there. I also choose where I live and where I work.
An official officiates the games that they are assigned. I also believe that they arrive well before the start of a game, but they are usually gone very quickly after the game. This is only my opinion, but I think that in many cases an official has 5 - 6 hours invested to earn that $145.00.
I am sure they are paid mileage, as they should be, but that only reimburses them the same as any other person traveling for business.
Nope!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
The officials do not get paid mileage. The used to, but that went out the window a couple years ago. I appreciate the different point of view. I used to ref myself, not in the WIAC, but I had some very difficult games to ref. I just don't get how these refs ignore the points of emphasis.
Also, I know each of these refs get graded after the game and some can hold a grudge to a coach who gave them bad marks instead of trying to take the grading as simply things they need to do better. There is a real problem with some of these officials.
I'll get off the box for now.
Also, I know each of these refs get graded after the game and some can hold a grudge to a coach who gave them bad marks instead of trying to take the grading as simply things they need to do better. There is a real problem with some of these officials.
I'll get off the box for now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 07, 2009, 07:19:12 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 07, 2009, 07:19:12 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 10:17:56 PMWhich is exactly why officials not getting mileage is bad. The same officials do the same "area" games all the time. Familiarity breeds contempt and of course, the old "homer" complaint rears its ugly head on a regular basis.
The officials do not get paid mileage. The used to, but that went out the window a couple years ago. I appreciate the different point of view. I used to ref myself, not in the WIAC, but I had some very difficult games to ref. I just don't get how these refs ignore the points of emphasis.
Also, I know each of these refs get graded after the game and some can hold a grudge to a coach who gave them bad marks instead of trying to take the grading as simply things they need to do better. There is a real problem with some of these officials.
I'll get off the box for now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2009, 08:41:51 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2009, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2009, 10:17:56 PM
The officials do not get paid mileage.
So the $70.00 per hour just got further reduced.
Although I haven't officiated BB, I have been a paid official in another sporting venue. To be honest, I don't know that anyone really does it for the money, but for the love of the sport.
I know I couldn't cost justify my time and commitment for the dollars I was compensated.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 07, 2009, 07:19:12 AM
Which is exactly why officials not getting mileage is bad. The same officials do the same "area" games all the time. Familiarity breeds contempt and of course, the old "homer" complaint rears its ugly head on a regular basis.
Great Point. The same officials ref the same area. It seems like there is maybe a pool of maybe 6-7 refs that are always the refs in River Falls. Same goes for Superior and WW. It's a tough situation that can improve.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2009, 06:06:55 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 07, 2009, 06:06:55 PM
The reports of the demise of UWW appear to have been premature.
Stout 40 - UWW 63
Stout 40 - UWW 63
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on February 07, 2009, 08:17:26 PM
Post by: BoBo on February 07, 2009, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 07, 2009, 06:06:55 PM
The reports of the demise of UWW appear to have been premature.
Stout 40 - UWW 63
Adversity is not a stop sign...Whitewater discovers that above a storm there is still plenty of sunshine!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2009, 10:42:09 PM
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2009, 10:42:09 PM
EC fell and fell hard to UWRF. All great compliments to UWRF for the game they played. They won it outright. Seems that EC was stuck on a formation to break the press that totally took them out of their game. All effort and energy was spent trying to get the ball up court rather than playing offense and scoring. While UWRF deserves all credit for their press, maybe EC would have been better giving the ball to Witt and letting her break the press as she has done for three plus years rather than spinning the wheels with a tedious formation that did nothing but cause EC to beat themselves. That said UWRF made their foul shots big time and also made many key shots that held EC far at bay in the end game. I hear UWW is alive and well and I eat the humble pie for my surmising their end. What goes around comes around! The last few weeks of the WIAC should be a wild time for all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
The WARHAWKS took a lead they wouldn't surrender 6-4 at the 16:15 mark. They built the lead to a high of 16 points and the half ended with them holding Stout to just 19 points and leading 34-19. The second half went pretty much the same way as the lead continued to grow to a high of 27 and Stout was never closer than 20 for the last 15 minutes of play. Stout shot 25% the first half and barely better 27.5% in the second half. The Stout starters went 3-30 from the floor with Hirssig getting all three early in the game. It was a sloppy game as the two teams' similar styles of play led to 48 turnovers and 12 jump balls. The WARHAWKS dominated the boards 50-34 which included an 18-12 advantage on the offensive end.
Kelsey Hendrickson led three WARHAWKS who scored in double figures with 13 points. Tiffany Morton finished with her 12th double-double 12 points, 12 rebounds in 17 minutes of play. Morton is within 1 double-double of tying Vanessa Reider's school record. Heidi Sontag also scored 12 points for the WARHAWKS who finished 40% from the floor.
Hirssig and VanVreede led Stout with 11 points. Hirssig finished with 8 rebounds.
This was a good defensive effort by the WARHAWKS. Hirssig was generally smothered on the baseline when she got the ball and finished the game 3-12 from the floor. Stout got some points off the bench but the starters, excluding Hirssig, couldn't score.
Foul trouble limited Morton to five minutes on the floor in the first half and only 12 more in the second one.
I think we've still got a little fight left in us. :D
Kelsey Hendrickson led three WARHAWKS who scored in double figures with 13 points. Tiffany Morton finished with her 12th double-double 12 points, 12 rebounds in 17 minutes of play. Morton is within 1 double-double of tying Vanessa Reider's school record. Heidi Sontag also scored 12 points for the WARHAWKS who finished 40% from the floor.
Hirssig and VanVreede led Stout with 11 points. Hirssig finished with 8 rebounds.
This was a good defensive effort by the WARHAWKS. Hirssig was generally smothered on the baseline when she got the ball and finished the game 3-12 from the floor. Stout got some points off the bench but the starters, excluding Hirssig, couldn't score.
Foul trouble limited Morton to five minutes on the floor in the first half and only 12 more in the second one.
I think we've still got a little fight left in us. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
Stunning loss for UWEC. With that result and the UWW win over Stout it almost makes the UWSP loss to Stout irrelevant. Point is back on top by two games and likely in the best position for a Pool C, if necessary.
The team that really benefitted was Illinois Wes who now should be #1 in the region for sure.
The team that really benefitted was Illinois Wes who now should be #1 in the region for sure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
Tough road for EC today. EC played their top four kids an average of 34 minutes yesterday. I imagine they went straight to South Dakota from River so most likely didn't get there past midnight. Going to be a tough game today. I think the game can do seen on the South Dakota website. There is a link on the women's WIAC schedule page.
Looks like WW got healthy in a hurry yesterday. I am wondering if they zoned Hirrsig or how she went from fantastic to average?
I don't think it is too early for this.
If the conference tournament started today
1 Seed (Bye) Stevens Point 11-1
2 Seed (Bye) Eau Claire 10-3
3 Seed Whitewater 9-3
6 Seed River Falls 5-7
4 Seed La Crosse 9-4
5 Seed Stout 7-5
SP and EC would get first round byes and then host in the 2nd round when the tournament re-seeds. A lot of things are most likely going change as La Crosse must still play at Stout, WW@RF, SP@EC and WW. There are a lot of interesting match-ups out there. I am not sure if Platteville can beat one of the top 2 seeded teams, but they need to if they want to be able to make the tournament. I would guess this is our 6 teams in the tournament.
Looks like WW got healthy in a hurry yesterday. I am wondering if they zoned Hirrsig or how she went from fantastic to average?
I don't think it is too early for this.
If the conference tournament started today
1 Seed (Bye) Stevens Point 11-1
2 Seed (Bye) Eau Claire 10-3
3 Seed Whitewater 9-3
6 Seed River Falls 5-7
4 Seed La Crosse 9-4
5 Seed Stout 7-5
SP and EC would get first round byes and then host in the 2nd round when the tournament re-seeds. A lot of things are most likely going change as La Crosse must still play at Stout, WW@RF, SP@EC and WW. There are a lot of interesting match-ups out there. I am not sure if Platteville can beat one of the top 2 seeded teams, but they need to if they want to be able to make the tournament. I would guess this is our 6 teams in the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 11:17:53 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 08, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
Stunning loss for UWEC. With that result and the UWW win over Stout it almost makes the UWSP loss to Stout irrelevant. Point is back on top by two games and likely in the best position for a Pool C, if necessary.
The team that really benefitted was Illinois Wes who now should be #1 in the region for sure.
Good Point. IWU has to be ranked 1 in the region. I think Point is 2, EC is 3, WW is 4. Wash U and Chicago will most likely round out the rankings.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
Congrats to UWW and UWRF yesterday. Glad to see they still play the games even though some determined them earlier. :D
Better hold off on the WIAC Championship Tournament party for Stout. I just caught up with Wednesday night's christening this morning (to be fair only mentioned by one person as their ardent supporters were still cautious). I understand Hirrsig is good, and so is their coach, but this is also a team that beat Oshkosh and Superior by three and had a 20 point loss hung on them by La Crosse in the last month. Don't get me wrong, I'm not burying them, but now they're likely going to have to win out to avoid three tournament road games ... definitely not the path you want.
Apparently no "Witt Zone" in River Falls either?
JMM I kid ... I appreciate your enthusiasm and love for a good player ... regardless of your affiliation. Your posts are the most "entertaining" on here.
Finally, is it just me or is La Crosse sliding under the radar here? I know there are no regulars from there here to talk about them, but they've won 8 of 10, won at UWW, beat Stout by 20, haven't lost to a team they shouldn't, and lost at the horn to UWSP the first meeting. They don't match-up well with UWEC, so they'd be best to avoid them in the tournament; but I wouldn't sleep on them. Ranked 7th in the Massey's as well (UWSP 1, UWEC 2, UWW 5).
I also know Hirssig is everyone's favorite for POTY, I guess I don't understand why Mackenzie Hunter is not in the same conversation, if not leading the conversation.
Hirssig- 20.3 ppg, 57% FG, 0-2 3's, 68% FT, 10.7 rpg, 15 ast, 58 TO's, 8 Blk, 26 steals
Hunter- 20.3 ppg, 47% FG, 24-54 3's (44%). 86% FT, 5.1 rpg, 43 ast, 71 TO's, 7 Blk, 64 steals
Looking at the stat line I just don't see this as an open and shut case; not to mention La Crosse is two games ahead of Stout.
Just for discussion.
Better hold off on the WIAC Championship Tournament party for Stout. I just caught up with Wednesday night's christening this morning (to be fair only mentioned by one person as their ardent supporters were still cautious). I understand Hirrsig is good, and so is their coach, but this is also a team that beat Oshkosh and Superior by three and had a 20 point loss hung on them by La Crosse in the last month. Don't get me wrong, I'm not burying them, but now they're likely going to have to win out to avoid three tournament road games ... definitely not the path you want.
Apparently no "Witt Zone" in River Falls either?
JMM I kid ... I appreciate your enthusiasm and love for a good player ... regardless of your affiliation. Your posts are the most "entertaining" on here.
Finally, is it just me or is La Crosse sliding under the radar here? I know there are no regulars from there here to talk about them, but they've won 8 of 10, won at UWW, beat Stout by 20, haven't lost to a team they shouldn't, and lost at the horn to UWSP the first meeting. They don't match-up well with UWEC, so they'd be best to avoid them in the tournament; but I wouldn't sleep on them. Ranked 7th in the Massey's as well (UWSP 1, UWEC 2, UWW 5).
I also know Hirssig is everyone's favorite for POTY, I guess I don't understand why Mackenzie Hunter is not in the same conversation, if not leading the conversation.
Hirssig- 20.3 ppg, 57% FG, 0-2 3's, 68% FT, 10.7 rpg, 15 ast, 58 TO's, 8 Blk, 26 steals
Hunter- 20.3 ppg, 47% FG, 24-54 3's (44%). 86% FT, 5.1 rpg, 43 ast, 71 TO's, 7 Blk, 64 steals
Looking at the stat line I just don't see this as an open and shut case; not to mention La Crosse is two games ahead of Stout.
Just for discussion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
Looks like WW got healthy in a hurry yesterday. I am wondering if they zoned Hirrsig or how she went from fantastic to average
WHITEWATER women don't play zone defense. It was man-to-man, or rather woman to woman, with Morton, Thompson, Schmidt and occassionally Burg. The help defense was effective so when she got the ball which was usually in the low block area they would swarm her and she'd end up a little too far underneath the basket with a bad angle to shoot.
The real story of the game was the other four Stout starters who didn't score.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 12:07:46 PM
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 12:07:46 PM
BTW- Read in the SP Journal that Point assistant Megan Wilson completed her fund raising goal and shaved her head.
Great work Megan.
Great work Megan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 12:40:23 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 12:40:23 PM
I was just thinking about all conference team. My list of ten is:
Hunter
Wahl
Hirrsig
Morton
Witt
Heidi A
Mesik
Van Gomple
Petersen
Gregorich
Might be a coincidence that these are the top 10 scorers during the conference season. I don't know. :)
Hunter
Wahl
Hirrsig
Morton
Witt
Heidi A
Mesik
Van Gomple
Petersen
Gregorich
Might be a coincidence that these are the top 10 scorers during the conference season. I don't know. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2009, 01:51:09 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2009, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: billys on February 08, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
Apparently no "Witt Zone" in River Falls either?
Maybe the good mayor of River Falls passed a new Zoning ordinance prohibiting Witt-like play within 500 feet of Karges.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: janesvilleflash on February 08, 2009, 02:15:21 PM
Post by: janesvilleflash on February 08, 2009, 02:15:21 PM
There usually isn't.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 04:43:03 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 04:43:03 PM
UWEC leading D1 South Dakota at the half, 24-21.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
EC up 32-26 with 15min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:15:26 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:15:26 PM
EC up 42-34 with 8min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
Wow ... just realized looking at their schedule how bad South Dakota is ... they've played a predominantly NAIA schedule this year; looks like Viterbo's schedule.
No wonder the NCAA put a moratorium on teams trying to join Division I.
Take 'em out Eau Claire
No wonder the NCAA put a moratorium on teams trying to join Division I.
Take 'em out Eau Claire
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 05:20:24 PM
Wonder what happened to that program in one year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:24:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:24:22 PM
EC up 49-38 with 4:30 left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:32:27 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:32:27 PM
EC up 55-47, 1:52 left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
EC wins 62-50 at South Dakota
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
Post by: buf on February 08, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
While this win was nice, I would rather of had EC win against RF yesterday and lose today
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 05:55:15 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 05:55:15 PM
No Doubt. Yesterday was a conference loss and regional loss. This was a game that doesn't do anything but build confidence, which is important.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 08, 2009, 06:00:29 PM
Post by: JMM on February 08, 2009, 06:00:29 PM
No "Witt Zone" at UWRF is correct but a loss is a loss is a loss. EC did beat D1 South Dakota by 12. Trade it in a minute for the win over UWRF. Anywhichwaywhatsoever - the Falcons beat EC by making their fouls and their 3 pointers. Well, can EC take SP at home? Can UWW take SP at home? Will UWRF take the WIAC Tourney? Does La Crosse go D1? Stayed tuned. Love that WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 06:18:36 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 08, 2009, 06:18:36 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 08, 2009, 06:00:29 PM
No "Witt Zone" at UWRF is correct but a loss is a loss is a loss. EC did beat D1 South Dakota by 12. Trade it in a minute for the win over UWRF. Anywhichwaywhatsoever - the Falcons beat EC by making their fouls and their 3 pointers. Well, can EC take SP at home? Can UWW take SP at home? Will UWRF take the WIAC Tourney? Does La Crosse go D1? Stayed tuned. Love that WIAC!
Hahaha, great stuff.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 06:51:20 PM
Post by: billys on February 08, 2009, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 08, 2009, 06:00:29 PMThat's quite a stretch from someone who proclaimed Stout the team to beat (and their kid the National Player of the Year) to someone who suggested La Crosse might be flying under the radar a little bit cause no one is talking about them.
No "Witt Zone" at UWRF is correct but a loss is a loss is a loss. EC did beat D1 South Dakota by 12. Trade it in a minute for the win over UWRF. Anywhichwaywhatsoever - the Falcons beat EC by making their fouls and their 3 pointers. Well, can EC take SP at home? Can UWW take SP at home? Will UWRF take the WIAC Tourney? Does La Crosse go D1? Stayed tuned. Love that WIAC!
Anything for comedy I guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 09, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Post by: closetothechest on February 09, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Good win yesterday for Eau Claire. Should help them get some mojo back after their loss Saturday.
I am just wondering when they took their day off last week. I thought there was a rule that said a team cannot have basketball activities seven days in a row and it has to be the same day all semester long. Teams usually take Sunday off, but Eau Claire had a game, so I wonder when they did it.
I am just wondering when they took their day off last week. I thought there was a rule that said a team cannot have basketball activities seven days in a row and it has to be the same day all semester long. Teams usually take Sunday off, but Eau Claire had a game, so I wonder when they did it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2009, 12:25:26 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2009, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on February 09, 2009, 11:11:46 AM
Good win yesterday for Eau Claire. Should help them get some mojo back after their loss Saturday.
I am just wondering when they took their day off last week. I thought there was a rule that said a team cannot have basketball activities seven days in a row and it has to be the same day all semester long. Teams usually take Sunday off, but Eau Claire had a game, so I wonder when they did it.
You do need a day off in every calendar week (when school is in session), but it does NOT have to be the same day all semester long. I'm sure EC has scheduled for it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2009, 01:16:39 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2009, 01:16:39 PM
I think they took Saturday off. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 09, 2009, 07:14:39 PM
Post by: JMM on February 09, 2009, 07:14:39 PM
I think EC took Saturday off too but you know what - there are going to be bad days, maybe Saturday was a bad (bad, bad, bad) day. On the other hand it was a good day UWRF. Looks like the D3 voters still have faith in EC. They are ranked number 7. UWSP is number 5 and UWW is number 12. Alot of time for lots of things to happen. (I still don't rule Stout out of winning the automatic bid - even though that would be a substantial undertaking.) LaX does have the potential to take out EC or SP or UW on the right night. Don't think they could have back to back wins against two of these three in the WIAC tourney. Will UWW and EC win at home against UWSP? I think the game at ZORN is once again huge. The place will be rocking with1200+ fans yelling for the blugolds. UWSP did beat EC at Zorn to win the WIAC tourney last year. That's my view of WIAC WORLD tonight. Goodnight badgerwarhawk, Goodnight buf, Goodnight Usuallywrong 24, Goodnight biilys,
and Goodnight Just Bill.
and Goodnight Just Bill.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 09, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 09, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
What a week to be in the WIAC and central region. First of all, Point goes on the road to play 2 of the top 12 teams in the region.
Also, the central rankings come out. The central region has 5 of the top 13 teams in the nation based on voting. I personally think they will be ranked in the region just like they are in the national poll. Exciting time to be a basketball fan.
Also, the central rankings come out. The central region has 5 of the top 13 teams in the nation based on voting. I personally think they will be ranked in the region just like they are in the national poll. Exciting time to be a basketball fan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
WIAC Player of the Week
I thought someone said earlier in the season that the POTW was an offensive award.... ;)
QuoteAlise Holst, Freshman (Plainview, Minn./Plainview-Elgin-Millville), Forward of UW-River Falls
Holst played a key role in the team's two WIAC wins last week, including a 69-63 triumph over No. 5-ranked UW-Eau Claire. Against the Blugolds, she scored 12 points and grabbed seven rebounds, dished out three assists, blocked one shot and recorded four steals. In a road win at UW-Superior, Holst registered a game-high 18 points and career-best six steals. She also added two blocked shots and two assists. In the two games, she was 12-of-18 from the field, had 14 rebounds (seven offensive), 10 steals, five assists and three blocked shots.
I thought someone said earlier in the season that the POTW was an offensive award.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 10, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 10, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
I would be willing to bet her 7 defensive rebounds, 10 steals and 3 blocks didnt help as much as her 2-0 record and 30 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2009, 07:38:56 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2009, 07:38:56 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 10, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
I would be willing to bet her 7 defensive rebounds, 10 steals and 3 blocks didnt help as much as her 2-0 record and 30 points.
The 2 - 0 helped I'm sure, and I think good defense was key in both games.
Averaging 5 steals per game is more impressive to me than scoring 15 points per game is. And if you asked Cindy Hovet her coach, I think Cindy would say the same thing.
As far as her 2 game performance (15 ppg, 7 rpg and 5 spg) to her season averages:
Scoring - average 10.2 ppg -
Rebounds - average 7.2 rpg
Steals - average 1.62 spg
The spg average is the one that really stands out as far as the most significant % of increase (over 300%).
I think she has "stolen" the player of the week award... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
Holst's efficency rating scores the highest of all the nominees at +40. Van Gomple is a close second with a +39 rating and Hurssig hangs in there at +37. The rest, Wahl (+30), Sontag (+22), Baganz (+19) and Mesick (+17) lag behind.
Holst had great games and I think they wanted to find a way to recognize the huge upset River Falls beating Eau Claire was.
These are the things you do when you can't sleep. :D
Holst had great games and I think they wanted to find a way to recognize the huge upset River Falls beating Eau Claire was.
These are the things you do when you can't sleep. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 11, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
Post by: billys on February 11, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
Isn't it almost a requirement you go undefeated over the course of the week to win the award? Not just in the WIAC, but pretty much in any league. Unless you do something so spectacular in defeat they can't help but give it to you. I would guess a 20-point game in a loss for Hirssig could have done just that. I know Hunter got it earlier in the year with a loss; to a good D-2 program. But she was also the MVP of a tournament they didn't win which is equally tough to do.
So at that point their are only 3 candidates last week; and only 2 that went 2-0.
Probably made it a pretty easy call.
So at that point their are only 3 candidates last week; and only 2 that went 2-0.
Probably made it a pretty easy call.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2009, 02:33:53 PM
Regional rankings posted:
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/11/ncaa-regional-rankings/
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/11/ncaa-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2009, 02:39:31 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2009, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 04, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
On Witt, I beleive Pat Coleman from D3hoops was at the game btw UWWW and UWEC. Given the importance of the game and the incredible way Witt played, that might have been part of the equation. What the stats do not show is her totally devasting the UWWW press single handily and then passing off to others when she could have taken the shot.
Been a while since I've read here -- indeed, I was at that game and that had to have some sort of influence on the Team of the Week decision. The stats wouldn't really show how much Witt had to handle the ball and how little UWW's press had an effect on her. I was impressed with her enough as a ball-handler to overcome some stats in which she didn't do as well as other candidates.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
Looking at the central rankings, looks like the EC game with UWSP is extra important, a loss could mean no NCAA. Seems like the ranking system favors UWWW and Washington. The UWRF LOSS WAS HUGE.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
UWSP 31, UWEC 22 at the half.
SP Audio: http://radio.securenetsystems.net//radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WSPT
Live Stats: http://www.uwecblugolds.com/live/bb/index.php?game=32
SP Audio: http://radio.securenetsystems.net//radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WSPT
Live Stats: http://www.uwecblugolds.com/live/bb/index.php?game=32
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
Stout 42 - Superior 21 at the half.
Hirssig is one rebound shy of another double/double at the half.
Hirssig is one rebound shy of another double/double at the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 09:18:22 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 09:18:22 PM
Point 49, EC 38 - 9:59 remaining
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
Pointers will get the win. 63-52 with 26 seconds to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2009, 09:48:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 11, 2009, 09:48:56 PM
Stout 88 - Superior 56 Final
UWRF 58 - LaCrosse 56 Final
UWRF 58 - LaCrosse 56 Final
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 10:21:12 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 10:21:12 PM
Point defeats EC. They lead pretty much the whole game. Point hit some tough shots, especially early on in each half. Disappointing performance at the FT line for EC. They are one of the best from the line, but totally flopped tonight. Good win for Point. It looks like they may be the champs, and well deserved. For EC, I think they need some rest (a hectic past few days) over their bye and need to regroup. They may need to win their last 2 games if they want to be in position for a pool C bid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2009, 11:06:40 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2009, 11:06:40 PM
Pointers played well tonight. They earned it, basically being in control most of the game. UWSP shot the ball extremely well tonight, too. Blugolds didn't. And, as buf notes, coupled with the 'Golds woes at the free throw line, UWEC could never make any big runs to get back into it when they got down by double digits a couple of times...
The Pointers are a tough team to match up against, since they don't have one person to key on. Basically, Petersen (14), Sporle (14), Van Gomple and Webber (12) have all taken turns leading the team in scoring throughout the season, with the three noted in () as being in double figures tonight, too.
Nice crowd tonight, 1600+ on senior night. But I'm not recognizing them for their contributions to the program until after the season is officially over... Ha.
Much needed break for the 'Golds, then two more to go in the regular season. Then we can start thinking about the conference tournament.
And only then, buf, can we think about the NCAAs! ;) Although I say if they are 21-5 after their next three games, it would be awfully hard to keep them out...
The Pointers are a tough team to match up against, since they don't have one person to key on. Basically, Petersen (14), Sporle (14), Van Gomple and Webber (12) have all taken turns leading the team in scoring throughout the season, with the three noted in () as being in double figures tonight, too.
Nice crowd tonight, 1600+ on senior night. But I'm not recognizing them for their contributions to the program until after the season is officially over... Ha.
Much needed break for the 'Golds, then two more to go in the regular season. Then we can start thinking about the conference tournament.
And only then, buf, can we think about the NCAAs! ;) Although I say if they are 21-5 after their next three games, it would be awfully hard to keep them out...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
Nice to see you back on the board, bulk19! Where have you been?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
UWW wins over UWP by 13. However, it looks like UWP had UWW on the ropes for most of the game. UWW pulled away in the last couple minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Agree that EC pretty tired also think Point is super and really delivered on key shots. Point has gotten better and better. Love the Point coach - she is a grand person and really prepares. She was so excited to when at Zorn - like a kid.
Seems EC offense has lost it's identity. Think the players are missing shots because they are unsure. Sometimes offense focuses at Messick, now it's more Plendil the freshman. The team is at their best when Witt runs the offense with support from Fermstad and Archie is a major part of the offense - most recent Whitewater game is a good example. There were some key points in tonights game when Archie was on the bench. TE has really gone away from her seniors these past few weeks and I think it is causing problems - then again, what do I know.
Seems EC offense has lost it's identity. Think the players are missing shots because they are unsure. Sometimes offense focuses at Messick, now it's more Plendil the freshman. The team is at their best when Witt runs the offense with support from Fermstad and Archie is a major part of the offense - most recent Whitewater game is a good example. There were some key points in tonights game when Archie was on the bench. TE has really gone away from her seniors these past few weeks and I think it is causing problems - then again, what do I know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 11:48:07 PM
Post by: buf on February 11, 2009, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 11, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
Looking at the central rankings, looks like the EC game with UWSP is extra important, a loss could mean no NCAA. Seems like the ranking system favors UWWW and Washington. The UWRF LOSS WAS HUGE.
Well here are those central region rankings and the primary criteria:
Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 18-0 20-0
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 19-2
3. UW-Whitewater 16-3 18-3
4. Washington U. 14-4 16-4
5. UW-Eau Claire 15-3 19-3
6. St. Norbert 15-2 16-4
The following primary criteria (not in priority order) will be reviewed:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
I'm a bit confused as to why UWW is ahead of UWEC. Win-loss barely favors UWW. SOS barely favors UWEC. Those two basically cancel each other out. In region head to head, wouldn't that be 1-1 for each. I would think results versus common regional opponents would be about the same also. At this point, I don't really see any separation between the two. Now the last one would favor UWEC. UWEC would be at 3-2 and UWW would be 1-2. Perhaps I am mis-calculating something or mis-understanding something, but as I see it UWEC should be ahead of UWW.
Its getting late, so I'm not going to compare Wash U. Off the top of my head, Wash U probably has a higher SOS, but I'm not sure on the other stuff.
Also, don't look too much into EC being one spot outside of the regional rankings. On the women's side (and I don't know why they do it) they regional rank only 50 teams--there are 63 spots in the national tourney. Also, keep in mind that not all regions are considered equal. Its possible that one region gets only 4 teams in while another may get 10. I would guess that UWEC would be ranked #2 or #3 in the West region, for example.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 12, 2009, 10:20:15 AM
Post by: closetothechest on February 12, 2009, 10:20:15 AM
Great game last night at EC. I love watching a game there. The community really supports their Blugolds. SP had a great game. They looked like they were on control the entire game except for one Blugold run in the 2nd half. A real impression road win.
Looks like the WIAC tournament will go through Berg. As long as they can win one more game, they will secure that #1 seed. EC looks like they could be in a bit of trouble for the NCAAs. They will most likely need to win their last 2 games and make it to the WIAC final. This of course is assuming they don't win the conference tournament, which they could.
Looks like the WIAC tournament will go through Berg. As long as they can win one more game, they will secure that #1 seed. EC looks like they could be in a bit of trouble for the NCAAs. They will most likely need to win their last 2 games and make it to the WIAC final. This of course is assuming they don't win the conference tournament, which they could.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2009, 10:30:53 AM
For whatever reason Platteville has given the WARHAWKS problems. Last night they go up by as many as 15 points in the first half. Fortunately a 14-0 run over the last 5 minutes or so of the half closed the gap and the WARHAWKS, fueled by Dana Thompson and Tiffany Morton, got it to a single point, 32-31. But Platteville wasn't going away and increased the lead to a high of 5 points, 45-40, with just over 13 minutes remaining. At that point the WARHAWKS ran off ten straight to go up 50-40 and a few minutes later had a 9-0 run to increase the lead to 66-54 with just under two minutes remaining. The final was 69-56.
Morton had a huge night with 27 points, 17 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 blocks. It was her thirteenth double-double of the season and the 24th of her career tying the WARHAWK program record. Dana Thompson also scored in double figures with 10 points and had 3 blocks. The WARHAWKS had 11 blocks as a team. Kelsey Hendrickson recorded 4 steals. Free throws were a significant factor as the WARHAWKS made nearly twice as many as Platteville attempted, 21-24 to 9-12.
Stacia Nemitz had a pretty good night herself and led Platteville with 18 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block and a steal.
Morton had a huge night with 27 points, 17 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 blocks. It was her thirteenth double-double of the season and the 24th of her career tying the WARHAWK program record. Dana Thompson also scored in double figures with 10 points and had 3 blocks. The WARHAWKS had 11 blocks as a team. Kelsey Hendrickson recorded 4 steals. Free throws were a significant factor as the WARHAWKS made nearly twice as many as Platteville attempted, 21-24 to 9-12.
Stacia Nemitz had a pretty good night herself and led Platteville with 18 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block and a steal.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 14, 2009, 08:27:04 PM
Post by: buf on February 14, 2009, 08:27:04 PM
UWW defeats Point, 61-59. Point had a couple chances to take the lead in the last 30 seconds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 15, 2009, 07:39:52 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 15, 2009, 07:39:52 AM
I wasn't at the game, but looking at the stat sheets, the Stout/LaCrosse game looks like it was a hard fought defensive game.
Why do I say that? Hirssig shot 5 of 17 and Edwards was 6 of 16 for Stout, Hunter was 6 of 19 and Wahl was 2 of 9 for the Eagles. These ladies usually have better shooting percentages than that.
Also, the fouls.
Both teams lost players to their 5th foul - Maslowsi for Stout and Waldvogel, Churchill and Wahl for LaCrosse. Hirssig and Stokke finished with 4 fouls, so they were closed to going to the bench also.
What appears to be the determining factor to me was rebounding - and Hirssig and Edwards both recorded double/doubles. Churchill led the Eagles with 8 boards.
Hunter led all scorers with 22 and Halat and Lang each added 10 points. Edwards led Stout with 20 and Hirssig had 18.
LaCrosse had 15 steals, Stout had 5 blocks.
The win puts Stout at the current advantage over LaCrosse for the #4 seed in the WIAC tourney and a home playoff game.
LaCrosse has 1 game left at Point on Wednesday, and Stout finishes with RF on the road Wednesday and EC at home on Saturday.
Big win for WW over Point. With WW's victory and EC's loss to Point, that should resolve any questions of the regional rankings from last week.
WW finishes out with games against UWO at home and RF on the road, Point against UWL and UWP - both at home, EC plays on the road at UWP and Stout.
Lot's of big games in the last week. Seedings for the tourney are all up for grabs...
Why do I say that? Hirssig shot 5 of 17 and Edwards was 6 of 16 for Stout, Hunter was 6 of 19 and Wahl was 2 of 9 for the Eagles. These ladies usually have better shooting percentages than that.
Also, the fouls.
Both teams lost players to their 5th foul - Maslowsi for Stout and Waldvogel, Churchill and Wahl for LaCrosse. Hirssig and Stokke finished with 4 fouls, so they were closed to going to the bench also.
What appears to be the determining factor to me was rebounding - and Hirssig and Edwards both recorded double/doubles. Churchill led the Eagles with 8 boards.
Hunter led all scorers with 22 and Halat and Lang each added 10 points. Edwards led Stout with 20 and Hirssig had 18.
LaCrosse had 15 steals, Stout had 5 blocks.
The win puts Stout at the current advantage over LaCrosse for the #4 seed in the WIAC tourney and a home playoff game.
LaCrosse has 1 game left at Point on Wednesday, and Stout finishes with RF on the road Wednesday and EC at home on Saturday.
Big win for WW over Point. With WW's victory and EC's loss to Point, that should resolve any questions of the regional rankings from last week.
WW finishes out with games against UWO at home and RF on the road, Point against UWL and UWP - both at home, EC plays on the road at UWP and Stout.
Lot's of big games in the last week. Seedings for the tourney are all up for grabs...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class. You would think that a school with as much athletic success as them would be used to competing and having good sportsmanship. I am also not talking about the college students. College students are typically out of control and that is part of the game, but even the adults were acting like teenagers. Disappointing to see.
Interesting call yesterday in the WW-Point game. Point was taking the ball out under their basket in the second half. They threw it deep, back towards the backcourt. A Point player touches the ball in the front court and it goes into the backcourt. She grabs it, and was called for a backcourt violation. I always thought the team had to have possession in the front court for it to be a backcourt violation. And since a touch is not possession, I mean the shot clock cannot start or be reset simply on a touch without control, this should not have been a backcourt violation.
It may seem like a small thing, but everyone knew this game was huge and I am not sure how three officials who did not know all of the rules could have been assigned to ref a game with conference title implications.
Interesting call yesterday in the WW-Point game. Point was taking the ball out under their basket in the second half. They threw it deep, back towards the backcourt. A Point player touches the ball in the front court and it goes into the backcourt. She grabs it, and was called for a backcourt violation. I always thought the team had to have possession in the front court for it to be a backcourt violation. And since a touch is not possession, I mean the shot clock cannot start or be reset simply on a touch without control, this should not have been a backcourt violation.
It may seem like a small thing, but everyone knew this game was huge and I am not sure how three officials who did not know all of the rules could have been assigned to ref a game with conference title implications.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2009, 06:56:54 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2009, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class. You would think that a school with as much athletic success as them would be used to competing and having good sportsmanship. I am also not talking about the college students. College students are typically out of control and that is part of the game, but even the adults were acting like teenagers. Disappointing to see.
Interesting call yesterday in the WW-Point game. Point was taking the ball out under their basket in the second half. They threw it deep, back towards the backcourt. A Point player touches the ball in the front court and it goes into the backcourt. She grabs it, and was called for a backcourt violation. I always thought the team had to have possession in the front court for it to be a backcourt violation. and since a touch is not possession, I mean the shot clock cannot start or be reset simply on a touch without control, this should not have been a backcourt violation.
It may seem like a small thing, but everyone knew this game was huge and I am not sure how three officials who did not know all of the rules could have been assigned to ref a game with conference title implications.
You are mistaken about the shot clock. When an inbounded ball is touched the clock is started and that starts the shot clock. A player does not have to have control of the ball for the game clock/shot clock to start. The mere act of touching it is enough.
I'm not saying that the call you were talking about was a good one or a bad one. I'm merely clarifying when the clock starts on an inbounded ball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
Neither team started very well before Point picked up the early momentum, used a 19-8 run, and went ahead by eleven, 21-10, with about 7 1/2 minutes remaining in the half. Reserve forward Chantel Burg hit a jumper to end a 3 minute scoring drought for the WARHAWKS and the team followed with a 21-7 run of their own and led 31-28 when the half ended. After Burg tied the game 23-23 with a little more than four minutes to play the WARHAWKS never trailed but never led by more than 8 points. WHITEWATER had chances to put it out of reach but couldn't. Point had chances to pull this one out but wasn't able to get it done.
Kelsey Hendrickson led the way with 13 points and had 5 assists. Tiffany Morton and Heidi Sontag each scored 10 points. Morton finished a rebound short of another double-double with 9.
Britta Petersen was the leading scorer in the game with 14 and she had 7 rebounds.
Kelsey Hendrickson led the way with 13 points and had 5 assists. Tiffany Morton and Heidi Sontag each scored 10 points. Morton finished a rebound short of another double-double with 9.
Britta Petersen was the leading scorer in the game with 14 and she had 7 rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
BW is correct about the shot clock, but UW24 is correct about the backcourt violation. The shot clock should have (and likely did) start when the UWSP player touched the ball, but it should not have been called a backcourt violation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 09:38:26 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
BW is correct about the shot clock, but UW24 is correct about the backcourt violation. The shot clock should have (and likely did) start when the UWSP player touched the ball, but it should not have been called a backcourt violation.
I am not sure why the shot clock would start when there is no possession. This is just an extreme example, but what if the ball is inbounded, touched with no possession and there is just a chaotic mess with the ball with no one having possession, who would the shot clock violation be on if this goes on for 30 seconds?
I guess I will have to pay attention to the shot clock at the start of games when there is the jump ball. I always thought that the shot clock cannot start until possession. A rebound is an example here. When an shot goes up and is missed, there can be a scramble after the ball. The shot clock does not start counting down until the ball is secured. Otherwise teams could have only 20-25 seconds on the shot clock instead of their full 30.
I understand the game clock starts, it has to, but the shot clock does not start until possession occurs.
The main point is though that the officials clearly were mistaken on the backcourt violation. In a game decided by 2 points, don't you think the team would like to have one extra possession that was wrongly taken away from them?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder. Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession. So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.
The same does not hold true on rebound situations. Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team. If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.
"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time. If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we? Of course not. The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.
It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team. A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.
The same does not hold true on rebound situations. Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team. If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.
"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time. If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we? Of course not. The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.
It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team. A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 09:53:12 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 09:53:12 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder. Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession. So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.
The same does not hold true on rebound situations. Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team. If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.
It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team. A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 09:38:26 PMDon't you think in any basketball game with upwards of 80 possessions there are many that both teams would like to have back, or feel that there were some taken away from them.
The main point is though that the officials clearly were mistaken on the backcourt violation. In a game decided by 2 points, don't you think the team would like to have one extra possession that was wrongly taken away from them?
Not excusing a blown call, but not dwelling on it either. That's life. That's basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 10:28:57 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
Don't you think in any basketball game with upwards of 80 possessions there are many that both teams would like to have back, or feel that there were some taken away from them.
Not excusing a blown call, but not dwelling on it either. That's life. That's basketball.
I agree, but this was not a questionable call. This was not a charge/block. This was not a missed travel. It was a blown call that should not happen in college. I understand that some officials are just doing their part to help out, but not in college. I always tried to know the rules before I reffed, albeit not at this level, but this is a rule that even grade school refs know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 16, 2009, 07:49:16 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 16, 2009, 07:49:16 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class.
I wan't at this game, so I have no clue about "what" the WW fans did for you to make this statement.
I have been to several games in WW, and haven't seen any type of action occur that would make me post something like that.
I have to to a couple of other WIAC BB venues where I could have made a similar comment though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2009, 09:12:58 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2009, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 16, 2009, 07:49:16 AMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 15, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class.
I wan't at this game, so I have no clue about "what" the WW fans did for you to make this statement.
I have been to several games in WW, and haven't seen any type of action occur that would make me post something like that.
I have to to a couple of other WIAC BB venues where I could have made a similar comment though.
I also couldn't tell what Saturday had to do with it. Do UWW fans have more class on Thursdays? How are they on Mondays about mid-morning?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 16, 2009, 09:19:08 AM
Post by: closetothechest on February 16, 2009, 09:19:08 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 16, 2009, 09:12:58 AM
I also couldn't tell what Saturday had to do with it. Do UWW fans have more class on Thursdays? How are they on Mondays about mid-morning?
No classes on the weekend. Even I got that one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2009, 09:20:43 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2009, 09:20:43 AM
Ah yes. Lame, but I still should have gotten it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
Because I had time to kill last night I thought I'd do a season efficency rating for four of the primary candidates for player of the year. I've probably missed someone but these four are the ones we've discussed most frequently though not necessarily in the POY context.
1. Julia Hurssig (Stout)
464 + 251 + 17 + 9 + 28 = 769
- 136 + 58 + 62 = 256
Rating: +513
2. Tiffany Morton (WHITEWATER)
394 + 255 + 36 + 50 + 16 = 751
- 115 + 55 + 72 = 256
Rating: +495
3. McKenzie Hunter (LaCrosse)
465 + 118 + 43 + 7 + 67 = 700
- 193 + 16 + 76 = 285
Rating: +415
4. Heather Witt (Eau Claire)
294 + 85 + 76 + 85 + 3 = 543
- 119 + 12 + 76 = 207
Rating: +336
Obviously I'd like to see Morton get it but I'd have to admit that if I were casting a vote it would likely be for Hirssig. Any other players that you can think of?
I suppose I could get defensive in response to Usually's comment regarding the WARHAWK fans but after 41 years of watching WIAC basketball I'll simply say that they are no better nor any worse than any others. I'm not sure what he is reacting to from the Point game but I'm hard pressed to spot any significant difference in the class of the two fan groups.
1. Julia Hurssig (Stout)
464 + 251 + 17 + 9 + 28 = 769
- 136 + 58 + 62 = 256
Rating: +513
2. Tiffany Morton (WHITEWATER)
394 + 255 + 36 + 50 + 16 = 751
- 115 + 55 + 72 = 256
Rating: +495
3. McKenzie Hunter (LaCrosse)
465 + 118 + 43 + 7 + 67 = 700
- 193 + 16 + 76 = 285
Rating: +415
4. Heather Witt (Eau Claire)
294 + 85 + 76 + 85 + 3 = 543
- 119 + 12 + 76 = 207
Rating: +336
Obviously I'd like to see Morton get it but I'd have to admit that if I were casting a vote it would likely be for Hirssig. Any other players that you can think of?
I suppose I could get defensive in response to Usually's comment regarding the WARHAWK fans but after 41 years of watching WIAC basketball I'll simply say that they are no better nor any worse than any others. I'm not sure what he is reacting to from the Point game but I'm hard pressed to spot any significant difference in the class of the two fan groups.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 16, 2009, 11:53:45 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 16, 2009, 11:53:45 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder. Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession. So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.
The same does not hold true on rebound situations. Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team. If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.
"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time. If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we? Of course not. The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.
It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team. A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.
We can get a fan posting on the message board to clearly define a rule and how it is implemented, but we can't get three refs to do the same in a WIAC game.
I nominate JustBill to become a new ref in the conference, replacing any number of these dimwits that are out there all the time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 12:00:40 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 12:00:40 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder. Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession. So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.
The same does not hold true on rebound situations. Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team. If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.
"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time. If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we? Of course not. The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.
It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team. A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.
Point taken. In that instance I understood it because the team had possession before it was dribbled off her foot. Just was not aware that possession out of bounds led to a tipped pass being called possession.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 12:10:04 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 12:10:04 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 10:44:30 AM
Because I had time to kill last night I thought I'd do a season efficency rating for four of the primary candidates for player of the year. I've probably missed someone but these four are the ones we've discussed most frequently though not necessarily in the POY context.
1. Julia Hurssig (Stout)
464 + 251 + 17 + 9 + 28 = 769
- 136 + 58 + 62 = 256
Rating: +513
2. Tiffany Morton (WHITEWATER)
394 + 255 + 36 + 50 + 16 = 751
- 115 + 55 + 72 = 256
Rating: +495
3. McKenzie Hunter (LaCrosse)
465 + 118 + 43 + 7 + 67 = 700
- 193 + 16 + 76 = 285
Rating: +415
4. Heather Witt (Eau Claire)
294 + 85 + 76 + 85 + 3 = 543
- 119 + 12 + 76 = 207
Rating: +336
Obviously I'd like to see Morton get it but I'd have to admit that if I were casting a vote it would likely be for Hirssig. Any other players that you can think of?
I suppose I could get defensive in response to Usually's comment regarding the WARHAWK fans but after 41 years of watching WIAC basketball I'll simply say that they are no better nor any worse than any others. I'm not sure what he is reacting to from the Point game but I'm hard pressed to spot any significant difference in the class of the two fan groups.
Maybe throw Heidi A. into the argument.
It was just a couple things I observed while in the stands. I just held WW in higher regards because of their recent athletic success and was guessing they would be better hosts. By no means was it everyone, but there was a few that gave me a negative impression.
Also, I think the league should do something about DHs. I think the host school should choose who plays first. Apart from being equal and Title IX, it makes little sense to have a huge drawing mens team play first, then have the womens game have about a tenth of the fans that the men had. I would think that most schools would have their men play second, other than EC and possibly Stout, as this would have more fans watch the other game. As any other thing, I am sure there could be negatives to this.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Ok, I see what you're saying. Because you hold our fans to a higher standard than you hold others we have less class than they do. How would we rank if you held others to the same standard you hold us? And no one from Point gave you a negative impression. Not even the guy who kept jumping up from his seat and screaming at every call that went against them.
No offense intended but somehow the logic of that is lost on me. But you're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
5. Heidi Arciszewski (Eau Claire)
335 + 142 + 73 + 0 + 3 = 553
- 160 + 15 + 69 = 244
Rating: +309
I should also mention that I've used season stats not just conference only. That could make a difference.
No offense intended but somehow the logic of that is lost on me. But you're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
5. Heidi Arciszewski (Eau Claire)
335 + 142 + 73 + 0 + 3 = 553
- 160 + 15 + 69 = 244
Rating: +309
I should also mention that I've used season stats not just conference only. That could make a difference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on February 16, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
Post by: jam8788 on February 16, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
I've been to enough WIAC venues to say that UWW fans by far have the worst sportsmanship in the conference. Particularly when the wheelchair basketball team is in attendance, they can be absolutely brutal to the opposing players. (I haven't been there in a couple years so things may have changed.) Stout ranks a close second, especially when the football team sits underneath the hoops. I heard that they've had to write apology letters in the past to WIAC schools for their crude behavior.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Ok, I see what you're saying. Because you hold our fans to a higher standard than you hold others we have less class than they do. How would we rank if you held others to the same standard you hold us? And no one from Point gave you a negative impression. Not even the guy who kept jumping up from his seat and screaming at every call that went against them.
No offense intended but somehow the logic of that is lost on me. But you're certainly entitled to your own opinion.
Its obvious my higher expectations of WW's crowd were undeserved and unjust. I will lump them in with every other crowd in terms of class from now on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
What did you think about Heidi's ranking? I was surprised it was that much lower than Hirssig, Morton, Hunter or even Witt. Of course I doubt this is the way the coaches will go about it. Not that she isn't a good player but this objective measure would seem to take her out of the discussion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 16, 2009, 07:54:39 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 16, 2009, 07:54:39 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on February 16, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
I've been to enough WIAC venues to say that UWW fans by far have the worst sportsmanship in the conference. Particularly when the wheelchair basketball team is in attendance, they can be absolutely brutal to the opposing players. (I haven't been there in a couple years so things may have changed.) Stout ranks a close second, especially when the football team sits underneath the hoops. I heard that they've had to write apology letters in the past to WIAC schools for their crude behavior.
Well, that's your opinion, but not what I have seen. There are three schools in the northern half of the state that I would say are worse than WW, two of the three much worse, IMHO.
I am well aware of the incident (and it was only one, and only involved one other school) that you refer to. Most people laugh about the hypersensitivity of the coach that demanded it. It was given to appease this person, but I've seen and heard much worse when at their venue.
Coach T, the Football HC, and the AD felt it was better to just apologize than to let the opposing coach lose sleep over the perceived problem.
Opinions of certain schools fans are something that are quite subjective...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
What did you think about Heidi's ranking? I was surprised it was that much lower than Hirssig, Morton, Hunter or even Witt. Of course I doubt this is the way the coaches will go about it. Not that she isn't a good player but this objective measure would seem to take her out of the discussion.
I was suprised it was lower also. I don't think she is a serious contender for POY, but I would think a no doubt first teamer. I think the favorite with a week to go most likely Morton. I think Hirrsig is the more complete player by a very slim margin, if I was forced to choose, but I think Morton's team will earn her the honor as they will finish with a better record by a couple games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on February 17, 2009, 06:22:28 AM
Post by: BoBo on February 17, 2009, 06:22:28 AM
Considering all the negative vibes going on regarding sportsmanship, I leave you this story to ponder.
Out of tragedy, sportsmanship has a shining moment (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/39694457.html)
JSOnline is johnny-on-the-spot this time with sportsmanship at it's best.
Make sure to include the related coverage in your reading!
Out of tragedy, sportsmanship has a shining moment (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/39694457.html)
JSOnline is johnny-on-the-spot this time with sportsmanship at it's best.
Make sure to include the related coverage in your reading!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2009, 08:05:14 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 17, 2009, 08:05:14 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 16, 2009, 11:35:44 PMFair or not (and I don't think it is because the POY should only have to do with that player, not the teams record), I agree with you. I mention this only because I have not agreed with much you have said on here lately and I just wanted to bond with one of my fellow posters. :DQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
What did you think about Heidi's ranking? I was surprised it was that much lower than Hirssig, Morton, Hunter or even Witt. Of course I doubt this is the way the coaches will go about it. Not that she isn't a good player but this objective measure would seem to take her out of the discussion.
I was suprised it was lower also. I don't think she is a serious contender for POY, but I would think a no doubt first teamer. I think the favorite with a week to go most likely Morton. I think Hirrsig is the more complete player by a very slim margin, if I was forced to choose, but I think Morton's team will earn her the honor as they will finish with a better record by a couple games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 16, 2009, 11:53:45 AMQuote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder. Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession. So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.
The same does not hold true on rebound situations. Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team. If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.
"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time. If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we? Of course not. The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.
It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team. A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.
We can get a fan posting on the message board to clearly define a rule and how it is implemented, but we can't get three refs to do the same in a WIAC game.
I nominate JustBill to become a new ref in the conference, replacing any number of these dimwits that are out there all the time.
I think all it means is I've spent WAY too much time sitting behind scorer's tables over the years. If I would have devoted those hours to astrophysics I'd be an astronaut by now. (Of course my extreme motion sickness, might work against me.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 17, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
Post by: buf on February 17, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
This week's Top 25 WIAC teams:
UWW is #7
Point is #8
UWEC is #11
UWW is #7
Point is #8
UWEC is #11
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
Player of the Week
Tiffany Morton, Senior (Beloit/Memorial), Center of UW-Whitewater
Morton recorded her 13th double-double of the season, and school-record tying 27th of her career in UW-Whitewater's 69-56 win at UW-Platteville on Feb. 11. She had 27 points on 8-of-18 shooting from the field and 11-of-12 from the free throw line. Morton grabbed 17 rebounds (9 defensive) and had four blocked shots and three assists. In a 61-59 victory over No. 5-ranked UW-Stevens Point on Feb. 14, she scored 10 points, grabbed nine rebounds and added two assists and one blocked shot.
Also nominated:
UW-Eau Claire, Jodi Lindner, Junior, Forward, Neillsville
UW-La Crosse, Mackenzie Hunter, Senior, Forward, Eau Claire (Regis)
UW-Oshkosh, Tiffany Pugh, Sophomore, Guard, Sturtevant (Waterford)
UW-Platteville, Stacia Nemitz, Junior, Guard, Bloomington (River Ridge)
UW-River Falls, Jenna Hanson, Senior, Guard, Altoona
UW-Stevens Point, Britta Petersen, Sophomore, Forward, Luck
UW-Stout, Charlee Edwards, Senior, Guard, Danbury (Webster)
Tiffany Morton, Senior (Beloit/Memorial), Center of UW-Whitewater
Morton recorded her 13th double-double of the season, and school-record tying 27th of her career in UW-Whitewater's 69-56 win at UW-Platteville on Feb. 11. She had 27 points on 8-of-18 shooting from the field and 11-of-12 from the free throw line. Morton grabbed 17 rebounds (9 defensive) and had four blocked shots and three assists. In a 61-59 victory over No. 5-ranked UW-Stevens Point on Feb. 14, she scored 10 points, grabbed nine rebounds and added two assists and one blocked shot.
Also nominated:
UW-Eau Claire, Jodi Lindner, Junior, Forward, Neillsville
UW-La Crosse, Mackenzie Hunter, Senior, Forward, Eau Claire (Regis)
UW-Oshkosh, Tiffany Pugh, Sophomore, Guard, Sturtevant (Waterford)
UW-Platteville, Stacia Nemitz, Junior, Guard, Bloomington (River Ridge)
UW-River Falls, Jenna Hanson, Senior, Guard, Altoona
UW-Stevens Point, Britta Petersen, Sophomore, Forward, Luck
UW-Stout, Charlee Edwards, Senior, Guard, Danbury (Webster)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2009, 09:31:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2009, 09:31:19 AM
WARHAWKS sweep the weekly honor. Myles McKay was the men's POY.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2009, 10:55:15 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2009, 10:55:15 AM
BoBo,
Great story on sportsmanship. Really touching story.
I was looking at the WIAC standings today and it looks like SP and WW will be the top two seeds and earning that bye, unless some upsets occur. Both have one game that could go either way this week.
The 3-6 seeds are still really up the air. River could sneak all the way to the 3 seed with wins and help. LX could drop all the way to 6. What an important week for the WIAC.
Great story on sportsmanship. Really touching story.
I was looking at the WIAC standings today and it looks like SP and WW will be the top two seeds and earning that bye, unless some upsets occur. Both have one game that could go either way this week.
The 3-6 seeds are still really up the air. River could sneak all the way to the 3 seed with wins and help. LX could drop all the way to 6. What an important week for the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 08:23:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2009, 10:55:15 AMThe 3-6 seeds are still really up the air. River could sneak all the way to the 3 seed with wins and help. LX could drop all the way to 6. What an important week for the WIAC.
If I'm not mistaken, and understand the tiebreakers as listed below, the BEST that RF could finish is 5th. For sure, they cannot overtake EC for 3rd as the WORST that EC can finish is 10 - 6.
Quote1. Head-to-head competition between tied teams.
2. Cumulative Won/Loss record vs. teams placed higher in the conference standings.
3. Record vs. teams in conference standings in descending order (i.e., #1 seed, #2 seed).
4. Team with the best road record in conference games.
5. Coin toss conducted by the WIAC commissioner.
Now I am making the assumption (possibly incorrectly) that if the two tied teams split during the season, that they would look at point differential. If I am wrong, than I will apologize now... :-[
The worst that LX can finish is 9 - 7, the best RF can finish is 9 - 7. LX win the point differential be 15.
The worst Stout can finish is 9 - 7, and they currently have a 23 point victory over RF, with the second game on right now. If RF wins by 24 tonight and beat WW on Saturday with Stout losing to EC - then RF would have the tiebreaker and take 5th seed.
Is everyone confused yet???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 08:47:05 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 08:47:05 PM
At the half, Stout 47 - RF 32.
Leading score is Lindsay Gerber for Stout with 14 (4 three pointers), followed closely by Char Edwards with 12. Tiffany Gregorich leads the Falcons with 9.
LX and Point are tied at 25 at the half.
EC 38 - UWP 21.
WW 40 - UWO 24
Leading score is Lindsay Gerber for Stout with 14 (4 three pointers), followed closely by Char Edwards with 12. Tiffany Gregorich leads the Falcons with 9.
LX and Point are tied at 25 at the half.
EC 38 - UWP 21.
WW 40 - UWO 24
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 18, 2009, 09:27:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 18, 2009, 09:27:15 PM
Champ,
Your point differential assumption is incorrect. That's not anywhere in the listed tiebreakers that you posted.
If there is a tie and the teams split the head-to-head, they would compare each team's record against the first place team (or teams if there was a tie for first). If that didn't break it they'd proceed to the second place team. Then the third and so on until it was broken.
Your point differential assumption is incorrect. That's not anywhere in the listed tiebreakers that you posted.
If there is a tie and the teams split the head-to-head, they would compare each team's record against the first place team (or teams if there was a tie for first). If that didn't break it they'd proceed to the second place team. Then the third and so on until it was broken.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 09:55:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 18, 2009, 09:27:15 PM
Champ,
Your point differential assumption is incorrect. That's not anywhere in the listed tiebreakers that you posted.
I wasn't sure - but when they said head to head - I thought they might consider point differential if the teams split.
Regardless, RF lost tonight (Stout 84 - RF 62), so the best they can finish is 8 - 8.
With LX's loss to Point, they finish 9 - 7.
If I'm not mistaken, Stout has clinched at least the #4 seed, on the basis of their 1 - 1 record against Point (compared to LX's 0 - 2).
The winner of the EC/Stout game will decide the #3 seed.
Go Blue Devils!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
Stout has 5 players in double figures!!!
Lindsey Gerber 19 (5 three pointers)
Charlee Edwards 17
Julia Hirssig 14
Kim Stokke 12
Tricia VanVreede 10
Lindsey Gerber 19 (5 three pointers)
Charlee Edwards 17
Julia Hirssig 14
Kim Stokke 12
Tricia VanVreede 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
Post by: buf on February 18, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
EC gets a much needed win, 60-35, at UWP. UWP only shoots 11% from the field in the 2nd half. OUCH!
Sets up a big game Saturday with Stout.
Sets up a big game Saturday with Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 18, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
Post by: buf on February 18, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
This week's region rankings:
Central Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Ill. Wesleyan 20-0 22-0
2. Wis.-Whitewater 18-3 20-3
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 19-3 20-3
4. Washington-St. Louis 16-4 18-4
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 15-4 19-4
6. St. Norbert 17-2 18-4
Despite the loss to Point, EC doesn't move down.
Central Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Ill. Wesleyan 20-0 22-0
2. Wis.-Whitewater 18-3 20-3
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 19-3 20-3
4. Washington-St. Louis 16-4 18-4
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 15-4 19-4
6. St. Norbert 17-2 18-4
Despite the loss to Point, EC doesn't move down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2009, 11:28:18 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2009, 11:28:18 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 09:55:32 PMQuote from: Just Bill on February 18, 2009, 09:27:15 PM
Champ,
Your point differential assumption is incorrect. That's not anywhere in the listed tiebreakers that you posted.
I wasn't sure - but when they said head to head - I thought they might consider point differential if the teams split.
Regardless, RF lost tonight (Stout 84 - RF 62), so the best they can finish is 8 - 8.
With LX's loss to Point, they finish 9 - 7.
If I'm not mistaken, Stout has clinched at least the #4 seed, on the basis of their 1 - 1 record against Point (compared to LX's 0 - 2).
The winner of the EC/Stout game will decide the #3 seed.Go Blue Devils!!!
Based on Stout's last game with WW, they might be in better position to let EC win this one. Good job on the tiebreakers. Looks like SP and WW earn the byes. This is a huge advantage. It makes it tough for them to prepare for an opponent as the tournament will reseed after the first one. Point could play the 4, 5, or 6 seed while WW could play the 3, 4, or 5.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 19, 2009, 07:40:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 19, 2009, 07:40:38 AM
I don't ever consider losing a game a way to make things "better".
I believe in momentum, and losing the last game of the regular season is no way to go into the tournament.
And your assumption is based on winning the first game in the WIAC tourney - an assumption I don't want to take for granted.
#3 seed will play RF, #4 plays LX.
Based on our two games against RF (W80 - 57 and W84 - 62) vs our two games against LX (L75 - 56 and W71 - 60), I want the #3.
Besides, RF beat EC in the last game between these two teams, so that would have us playing Point.... :) ;D :D ;)
Bottom line, just win.........
I believe in momentum, and losing the last game of the regular season is no way to go into the tournament.
And your assumption is based on winning the first game in the WIAC tourney - an assumption I don't want to take for granted.
#3 seed will play RF, #4 plays LX.
Based on our two games against RF (W80 - 57 and W84 - 62) vs our two games against LX (L75 - 56 and W71 - 60), I want the #3.
Besides, RF beat EC in the last game between these two teams, so that would have us playing Point.... :) ;D :D ;)
Bottom line, just win.........
Go Blue Devils!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 19, 2009, 08:35:57 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 19, 2009, 08:35:57 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2009, 11:28:18 PMQuote from: The Champ on February 18, 2009, 09:55:32 PMQuote from: Just Bill on February 18, 2009, 09:27:15 PM
Champ,
Your point differential assumption is incorrect. That's not anywhere in the listed tiebreakers that you posted.
I wasn't sure - but when they said head to head - I thought they might consider point differential if the teams split.
Regardless, RF lost tonight (Stout 84 - RF 62), so the best they can finish is 8 - 8.
With LX's loss to Point, they finish 9 - 7.
If I'm not mistaken, Stout has clinched at least the #4 seed, on the basis of their 1 - 1 record against Point (compared to LX's 0 - 2).
The winner of the EC/Stout game will decide the #3 seed.Go Blue Devils!!!
Based on Stout's last game with WW, they might be in better position to let EC win this one. Good job on the tiebreakers. Looks like SP and WW earn the byes. This is a huge advantage. It makes it tough for them to prepare for an opponent as the tournament will reseed after the first one. Point could play the 4, 5, or 6 seed while WW could play the 3, 4, or 5.
You don't know Coach Thomas very well, do you? ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2009, 10:39:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2009, 10:39:47 AM
The WARHAWKS scored first and never trailed in the game. Oshkosh kept it close, had a tie at 16-16, and trailed 26-22 with 6 minutes remaining in the half. But the WARHAWKS finished the half with a 14-2 run and ahead 40-24. After that 12 points was as close at the Titan would get. The final was 83-59.
Oshkosh played a 2-3 zone and made things very difficult for Tiffany Morton who only took 6 shots in the game. Basically she was triple teamed when ever she touched the ball. But the WARHAWKS countered the defense by going 11-22 from beyond the arch, shooting 55.2% from the floor in the first half and dominated the boards 39-29 which included a 16 to 8 advantage on the offensive glass.
Heidi Sontag led the WARHAWK scorers with 13 points (3-5 3-pointers). Mary Donohoo (3-3 3-pointers) finished with 11 points as did Dana Thompson who also pulled down a game high 9 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson rounded out the WARHAWK scorers in double figures with 10 points.
Oshkosh was led by Michelle Boeder with 16 points and Erin Baganz with 12. Baganz also had 4 assists and 3 steals.
Oshkosh played a 2-3 zone and made things very difficult for Tiffany Morton who only took 6 shots in the game. Basically she was triple teamed when ever she touched the ball. But the WARHAWKS countered the defense by going 11-22 from beyond the arch, shooting 55.2% from the floor in the first half and dominated the boards 39-29 which included a 16 to 8 advantage on the offensive glass.
Heidi Sontag led the WARHAWK scorers with 13 points (3-5 3-pointers). Mary Donohoo (3-3 3-pointers) finished with 11 points as did Dana Thompson who also pulled down a game high 9 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson rounded out the WARHAWK scorers in double figures with 10 points.
Oshkosh was led by Michelle Boeder with 16 points and Erin Baganz with 12. Baganz also had 4 assists and 3 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 10:50:51 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 10:50:51 AM
I don't think by any means that Stout is going to let EC win on Saturday. I don't think Coach Thomas is going to just let his team play H-O-R-S-E for the next two days. That said, basketball is a lot about match-ups and based on previous games this season Stout does not match-up well with WW. It even appears The Champ is giddy to play the Pointers again.
Also Champ, if River is that 6 seed and wins the first round against EC, they will be playing the #1 seed, most likely the Pointers. Stout, the presumed #4 seed in this scenario, would play LX and then play @WW with a win. Maybe I just understand your last post wrong.
Also Champ, if River is that 6 seed and wins the first round against EC, they will be playing the #1 seed, most likely the Pointers. Stout, the presumed #4 seed in this scenario, would play LX and then play @WW with a win. Maybe I just understand your last post wrong.
Quote from: The Champ on February 19, 2009, 07:40:38 AM
I don't ever consider losing a game a way to make things "better".
I believe in momentum, and losing the last game of the regular season is no way to go into the tournament.
And your assumption is based on winning the first game in the WIAC tourney - an assumption I don't want to take for granted.
#3 seed will play RF, #4 plays LX.
Based on our two games against RF (W80 - 57 and W84 - 62) vs our two games against LX (L75 - 56 and W71 - 60), I want the #3.
Besides, RF beat EC in the last game between these two teams, so that would have us playing Point.... :) ;D :D ;)
Bottom line, just win.........Go Blue Devils!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 11:05:09 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 11:05:09 AM
Also, I would hate to be a flip-flopper, but I think if Stout can get to the WIAC finals, I would change my vote for WIAC player of the year, which doesn't exist, to Hirrsig. I was looking at the conference only stats and Hirrsig is averaging six more points per game, more rebounds, and shooting a high percentage from the floor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 10:50:51 AM
I don't think Coach Thomas is going to just let his team play H-O-R-S-E for the next two days.
I think they call it G-E-I-C-O now. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 19, 2009, 05:18:13 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 19, 2009, 05:18:13 PM
If UWEC wins and UUWW loses on Saturday, who finishes second in the conference?
Does UWEC lose out on that, and seed at #3, based on a 1-2 record vs. Point? Or does EC slide into the second spot, using criteria #3, based on a 2-0 record vs. UWL, vs. UWW's 1-1?
Hmmm?
Does UWEC lose out on that, and seed at #3, based on a 1-2 record vs. Point? Or does EC slide into the second spot, using criteria #3, based on a 2-0 record vs. UWL, vs. UWW's 1-1?
Hmmm?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 07:10:13 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 07:10:13 PM
WW will be the 2 seed because of their 1-1 record against SP and EC's 0-2 record against SP. The EC win against SP was a non-conference game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 19, 2009, 05:18:13 PM
If UWEC wins and UUWW loses on Saturday, who finishes second in the conference?
Does UWEC lose out on that, and seed at #3, based on a 1-2 record vs. Point? Or does EC slide into the second spot, using criteria #3, based on a 2-0 record vs. UWL, vs. UWW's 1-1?
Hmmm?
Also if Stout beats EC on Saturday, I believe they will overtake EC for the #3 seed (assuming that Point wins). Both teams would be 1-3 against teams above them. It would then move to records versus teams in desending order starting with #1 seed Point. Stout is 1-1 against Point while EC is 0-2 in conference play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 19, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 19, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 10:50:51 AMMaybe I just understand your last post wrong.
I made so many mistakes in that post, I don't even want to try and explain them... :-[ :-[ :-[
Bottom line, I want nothing but W's the rest of this season.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 07:24:05 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 19, 2009, 07:24:05 PM
That is what I think too buf. Just a huge game in Stout. That 3/4 seed is up for grabs.
Haha Champ, we all make mistakes. ;)
Haha Champ, we all make mistakes. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2009, 09:39:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2009, 09:39:38 AM
Yes, I remember making one. But it was a long time ago. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on February 20, 2009, 12:38:03 PM
Post by: jam8788 on February 20, 2009, 12:38:03 PM
Once again LAX doesn't finish in the top four in conference. During Heeren's 10 years, the highest they've finished is 4th (2005-2006) and the other years they placed 6th or worst (not including this year's 5th place). They are losing a bunch of starters to graduation at the end of the year, almost ensuring another mediocre season next year. At some point doesn't the administration have to wonder why the program struggles so much? How do you know when to make a change?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 20, 2009, 07:04:48 PM
Post by: billys on February 20, 2009, 07:04:48 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on February 20, 2009, 12:38:03 PMThey are in trouble next year to say the least. La Crosse has never been a school that gets rid of coaches though. They are good in most sports and those that they're not, they just ride it out.
Once again LAX doesn't finish in the top four in conference. During Heeren's 10 years, the highest they've finished is 4th (2005-2006) and the other years they placed 6th or worst (not including this year's 5th place). They are losing a bunch of starters to graduation at the end of the year, almost ensuring another mediocre season next year. At some point doesn't the administration have to wonder why the program struggles so much? How do you know when to make a change?
It's 75% recruiting at this level and they lost a great recruiter a few years back. They haven't added much the last couple years.
That said, they are going to win, what, 18-19 games this year so I'm not sure it's the BEST time to pull the plug. I would monitor it next year though because they may REALLY struggle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
HUGE win for EC today at Stout, 59-41, pulling away at the end. Two players stepped up big for EC---Heidi A. and Plendl. Heidi A kept on driving to the hoop with a lot of success the entire game; 26pts, 4ast, 3st. And Plendl had her best game as a Blugold; 14pts, 10reb, 4blk., especially playing well down the stretch
Stout started out on fire from 3 early on against the EC zone. However, when EC switched to person-person defense, they totally shut down Stout. Stout had 20pts at the 11min mark of the first half. They scored only 21 points the rest of the game. Hirssig was pretty much a non-factor. Great help defense by EC's guards on her as they slapped the ball away from her numerous times in the 2nd half when she was waiting to make her move.
This is a much needed win when looking at the national tourney picture for EC. EC earned it. They stepped up big on the road this week.
Stout started out on fire from 3 early on against the EC zone. However, when EC switched to person-person defense, they totally shut down Stout. Stout had 20pts at the 11min mark of the first half. They scored only 21 points the rest of the game. Hirssig was pretty much a non-factor. Great help defense by EC's guards on her as they slapped the ball away from her numerous times in the 2nd half when she was waiting to make her move.
This is a much needed win when looking at the national tourney picture for EC. EC earned it. They stepped up big on the road this week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 22, 2009, 10:48:55 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 22, 2009, 10:48:55 AM
Looks like that bye last weekend really helped EC. Be interesting if they can get 3 wins in 5 days week. I think as long as they can get a win Tuesday against River, they will have put themselves in line for at least a pool C bid as long as a majority of the other top seeds in their conference tournaments win. I think WW and Point should be in the NCAAs as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2009, 02:21:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2009, 02:21:48 PM
It took a couple of minutes for either team to score before a Tiffany Morton layup put the WARHAWKS on the board. After that they would steadily build the lead to as many as 22 points before the half ended with a 20 point spread 41-21. River Falls shot just 32% in the first half while WHITEWATER shot 50% including 7-13 three-pointers. River Falls would get to within 12 points in the second half but WHITWATER would lead by another 22 points with about 7 1/2 minutes remaining. River Falls cut that margin to 12 points 68-56 the rest of the way.
Tiffany Morton had a great game with 20 points, 19 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 blocks. Kelsey Hendrickson went 4-8 from beyond the arch and finished with 14 points. Seeing more playing time freshman Chantel Burg finished with 8 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists. WHITEWATER outrebounded River Falls 45-30 including a 16-7 advantage on the offensive glass.
Taylor House had 15 points to lead River Falls.
Morton's double-double was her 14th of the season and a school record 28th of her career.
The win clinches the second seed and first round bye for the WARHAWKS.
Tiffany Morton had a great game with 20 points, 19 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 blocks. Kelsey Hendrickson went 4-8 from beyond the arch and finished with 14 points. Seeing more playing time freshman Chantel Burg finished with 8 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists. WHITEWATER outrebounded River Falls 45-30 including a 16-7 advantage on the offensive glass.
Taylor House had 15 points to lead River Falls.
Morton's double-double was her 14th of the season and a school record 28th of her career.
The win clinches the second seed and first round bye for the WARHAWKS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on February 22, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
Post by: OshDude on February 22, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
Quote from: BoBo on February 17, 2009, 06:22:28 AMESPN caught wind of the DeKalb/Milwaukee Madison story and made a nice video (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3925981) interview piece out of it.
Considering all the negative vibes going on regarding sportsmanship, I leave you this story to ponder.
Out of tragedy, sportsmanship has a shining moment (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/39694457.html)
JSOnline is johnny-on-the-spot this time with sportsmanship at it's best.
Make sure to include the related coverage in your reading!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 23, 2009, 04:08:22 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 23, 2009, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: buf on February 18, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
This week's region rankings:
Central Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Ill. Wesleyan 20-0 22-0
2. Wis.-Whitewater 18-3 20-3
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 19-3 20-3
4. Washington-St. Louis 16-4 18-4
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 15-4 19-4
6. St. Norbert 17-2 18-4
Despite the loss to Point, EC doesn't move down.
Since I was looking back at some old posts, I don't believe this one was recognized, least not by me. Just curious how WW was higher than Point. Point was leading the conference at the time, had a better regional record, and had a better regional record among teams ranked. WW had a slightly higher OWP, but I don't think it was so much higher to rank SP below WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2009, 05:04:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2009, 05:04:40 PM
When was that ranking made relative to the WARHAWKS beating Stevens Point on Feb. 14th?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 23, 2009, 06:05:37 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 23, 2009, 06:05:37 PM
I would imagine that had everything to do with it. I don't really understand it because then that only tied the season series at 1-1. I didn't think this was like college football where it is better to lose early than lose late; it shouldn't really matter.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BM27 on February 24, 2009, 01:39:36 AM
Post by: BM27 on February 24, 2009, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 23, 2009, 06:05:37 PM
I would imagine that had everything to do with it. I don't really understand it because then that only tied the season series at 1-1. I didn't think this was like college football where it is better to lose early than lose late; it shouldn't really matter.
I think if two teams split a season series you have to give a slight edge to the team that won the later game. I am not saying that that should effect the rankings much, but with two teams that have been closely ranked all year some may see that as a deciding factor at the time.
However, if I am a Pointer I don't worry about that much. Right now, they have home court advantage throughout their conf. Tourney and should they run into WW again (very likely in my opinion) Point should have a strong advantage if you look back at the two schools recent history. If I am not mistaken, and correct me if i am, at least the last 5 games have been won by the home team. I know i am not mistaken here, but it doesn't matter what your regional ranking is if you take care of business in the Conf. Tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 10:50:52 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: BM27 on February 24, 2009, 01:39:36 AM
I think if two teams split a season series you have to give a slight edge to the team that won the later game. I am not saying that that should effect the rankings much, but with two teams that have been closely ranked all year some may see that as a deciding factor at the time.
However, if I am a Pointer I don't worry about that much. Right now, they have home court advantage throughout their conf. Tourney and should they run into WW again (very likely in my opinion) Point should have a strong advantage if you look back at the two schools recent history. If I am not mistaken, and correct me if i am, at least the last 5 games have been won by the home team. I know i am not mistaken here, but it doesn't matter what your regional ranking is if you take care of business in the Conf. Tourney.
SP was able to go to WW last year in the conference tournament and get a win, so home teams are 4-1 in the last 5.
I understand your point. I wish they would post the last regional rankings on Sunday, just to see where the teams stand. I think if these two teams meet Saturday, the winner will be 2 while the loser will most likely be 4 after the way Wash U is playing in the UAA.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 08:26:56 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 08:26:56 PM
Any word on what happened to Holst from River Falls? Saw she only played one minute on Saturday and has not played yet tonight. Hope it isn't anything serious. She plays pretty hard.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 24, 2009, 08:42:38 PM
Post by: billys on February 24, 2009, 08:42:38 PM
Stout 36-33 at half
EC 25-19 at half
EC 25-19 at half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 09:42:53 PM
Well, EC vs WW, part 3. Going to be a battle. Mesick and Morton in the post. Witt and Hendrickson at the point. These two teams are very even. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2009, 10:29:42 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2009, 10:29:42 PM
EC wins over RF, 62-47, in what was a fairly close game for 35 minutes. Ugly first half by both teams. The shooting was really poor. Both teams picked it up in the 2nd half. Weinberg hit some big 3s in the 2nd half. She had an answer every time RF got close.
With the win, I would think EC would be a near lock for a pool C, if they aren't already.
With the win, I would think EC would be a near lock for a pool C, if they aren't already.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 10:33:57 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 24, 2009, 10:33:57 PM
Quote from: buf on February 24, 2009, 10:29:42 PM
EC wins over RF, 62-47, in what was a fairly close game for 35 minutes. Ugly first half by both teams. The shooting was really poor. Both teams picked it up in the 2nd half. Weinberg hit some big 3s in the 2nd half. She had an answer every time RF got close.
With the win, I would think EC would be a near lock for a pool C, if they aren't already.
I think near lock is a good term. There are going to be a lock if they can beat WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:13:21 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:13:21 AM
QuoteJulia Hirssig first team Academic All-American
MENOMONIE (February 24, 2009) - UW-Stout forward Julia Hirssig (Jr, Rochester, Minn) was named to the first team of ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America women's basketball team in the college division.
Hirssig is having an outstanding year on the basketball court for the Blue Devils, but the Hotel, Retaurant and Tourism Management major is outstanding in the classroom. With a grade point average of 3.95, Hirssig has earned her way to the Chancellor's Award for Academic Excellence all five semesters at Stout.
Hirssig is also a resident adviser for Student Housing, a Salvation Army volunteer and a Quantity Foods Production lab assistant.
On the court, Hirssig is averaging 19.3 points per game. Last season, Hirssig led all of the NCAA Division III women's basketball in field goal percentage and this year is second in the WIAC with a percentage of .549. Hirssig is second in the WIAC in rebounds with 10.8 rebounds per game.
Twice this season, Hirssig has been named the WIAC player of the week and twice has been placed on the D3hoops.com Team of the Week. A preseason All-American, Hirssig has scored 12double-doubles, has scored in double digits in 22 of 24 games, has scored 20 or more points in 12 games and 14 times has exceeded 10 rebounds in a single game.
Hirssig went over 1000 career points on Jan. 24 in a 37 point effort over UW-Platteville. In a four game stretch, Hirssig scored 126 total points, averaging 31.5 points over those four games. She currently has 482 points on the season and has 1130 career points.
The college division is made up of NCAA Division II and III institutions, as well as NAIA schools.
I first met Julia when she was a Senior at Rochester Mayo - attended 3 or 4 games with Coach T. I could tell she was going to be something special!
I've gotten to know her and her family over the last 4 years, and they are all just really nice people. This is a great award for her, and I know her parents are real proud of her.
She's got a younger sister who is playing for Rochester Mayo right now as a Sophomore. I suppose I'll be watching her play some HS ball in the next couple of years...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Stout wins 82 - 70 over LaCrosse.
It was a balanced Stout offense that took down the Warhawks tonight. The 5 starters for Stout - Charlee Edwards, Lindsey Gerber, Julia Hirssig, Kim Stokke and Megan Maslowski contributed 18, 16, 16, 14 and 9 respectively.
Player of the game absolutely was Edwards! Her hustle on both offense and defense was amazing. I've watched her play this game for 4 years, and tonight was a career game for her. I'm sure she's had games where she scored more points, but there hasn't been a game that she dominated like this one.
Kim Stokke was assigned the task to guard LaCrosse's Mackenzie Hunter in the second half, and she shut Hunter down. Hunter was 5 of 10 from the floor in the first half, but only hit 1 of 9 in the second half.
Melissa Lang led the scoring for the Eagles with 21 points - 17 in the second half (5 of 8 three pointers). Quite simply, without Lang, the game would not have been close.
Congratulations to LaCrosse's Seniors. The last game is always hard after 4 years of playing together.
12 Amanda Waldvogel*** G 5-6 Sr. Wausau/West
13 Anna Halat*** G 5-9 Sr. Waukesha/South
30 Mackenzie Hunter*** F 6-0 Sr. Eau Claire/Regis
43 Sam Aspenson*** F/C 6-0 Sr. La Crosse/Central
51 Mandy Punzel*** C 6-2 Sr. Green Bay/Preble
55 Lindsay Wahl*** F/C 6-1 Sr. Burnsville, MN
It was a balanced Stout offense that took down the Warhawks tonight. The 5 starters for Stout - Charlee Edwards, Lindsey Gerber, Julia Hirssig, Kim Stokke and Megan Maslowski contributed 18, 16, 16, 14 and 9 respectively.
Player of the game absolutely was Edwards! Her hustle on both offense and defense was amazing. I've watched her play this game for 4 years, and tonight was a career game for her. I'm sure she's had games where she scored more points, but there hasn't been a game that she dominated like this one.
Kim Stokke was assigned the task to guard LaCrosse's Mackenzie Hunter in the second half, and she shut Hunter down. Hunter was 5 of 10 from the floor in the first half, but only hit 1 of 9 in the second half.
Melissa Lang led the scoring for the Eagles with 21 points - 17 in the second half (5 of 8 three pointers). Quite simply, without Lang, the game would not have been close.
Congratulations to LaCrosse's Seniors. The last game is always hard after 4 years of playing together.
12 Amanda Waldvogel*** G 5-6 Sr. Wausau/West
13 Anna Halat*** G 5-9 Sr. Waukesha/South
30 Mackenzie Hunter*** F 6-0 Sr. Eau Claire/Regis
43 Sam Aspenson*** F/C 6-0 Sr. La Crosse/Central
51 Mandy Punzel*** C 6-2 Sr. Green Bay/Preble
55 Lindsay Wahl*** F/C 6-1 Sr. Burnsville, MN
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on February 25, 2009, 09:25:48 AM
Post by: BoBo on February 25, 2009, 09:25:48 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Stout wins 82 - 70 over LaCrosse.
It was a balanced Stout offense that took down the Warhawks tonight.
???
Maybe 01:28:36 am is a little past your bedtime. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2009, 10:54:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2009, 10:54:23 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
It was a balanced Stout offense that took down the Warhawks tonight. The 5 starters for Stout -
How hard could it be when our women are at the men's game? Actually scoring 70 under those circumstances is nothing short of a miracle. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 25, 2009, 11:04:52 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 25, 2009, 11:04:52 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
It was a balanced Stout offense that took down the Warhawks tonight.
Warhawks on the mind?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 25, 2009, 04:15:28 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 25, 2009, 04:15:28 PM
Central Rankings:
1. IWU
2. Wash U.
3. Stevens Point
4. Whitewater
5. Eau Claire
6. St. Norbert
Little shake up from 2-4 last week. Wash U. has the advantage/disadvantage of playing ranked teams almost every week. Their win over Rochester must have pushed them over the edge.
1. IWU
2. Wash U.
3. Stevens Point
4. Whitewater
5. Eau Claire
6. St. Norbert
Little shake up from 2-4 last week. Wash U. has the advantage/disadvantage of playing ranked teams almost every week. Their win over Rochester must have pushed them over the edge.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Wash U. moving up doesn't really matter though, since they've already clinched an automatic spot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Quote from: BoBo on February 25, 2009, 09:25:48 AMQuote from: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Stout wins 82 - 70 over LaCrosse.
It was a balanced Stout offense that took down the Warhawks tonight.
???
Maybe 01:28:36 am is a little past your bedtime. ;)
You didn't notice that I had the score wrong.... It was 80 - 72.... :-[
Eagles/Warhawks - same difference.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2009, 09:39:45 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2009, 09:39:45 PM
Semifinal predictions, if snow doesn't cause a cancelation. WW over EC by 12. The EC woman have not been shooting well. It is "Holy Heck" to play at WW. If EC wins it will be because of containing Morten. EC really put the brakes on Julia H in their recent game.
I will say that EC did really put the effort in to beat a very persistent RF team last night. They had the determination to make things work and get the "W" - not like the debacle at RF a few weeeks ago. Also EC let Witt and Fermstad dribble right through the press as opposed to running the "Dreaded Press Play" that caused them the loss at RF. It is good to learn from your losses.
And the upset, Stout over SP. I think SP could get caught looking ahead and Stout has the energy to keep up with SP. SP has had a little slipage recently and I think they're ripe for an upset. The game I would love to see in the finals is Stout - EC but it ain't going to happen! We will see if I am wrong as usual.
I will say that EC did really put the effort in to beat a very persistent RF team last night. They had the determination to make things work and get the "W" - not like the debacle at RF a few weeeks ago. Also EC let Witt and Fermstad dribble right through the press as opposed to running the "Dreaded Press Play" that caused them the loss at RF. It is good to learn from your losses.
And the upset, Stout over SP. I think SP could get caught looking ahead and Stout has the energy to keep up with SP. SP has had a little slipage recently and I think they're ripe for an upset. The game I would love to see in the finals is Stout - EC but it ain't going to happen! We will see if I am wrong as usual.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2009, 09:53:23 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2009, 09:53:23 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Wash U. moving up doesn't really matter though, since they've already clinched an automatic spot.
Yes, but could it matter in hosting situations? Ideally, there would be 2 hosts per region (I know that it could be more/less). Right now if the Central does get two hosts, you would think that IWU and Wash U would get them, leaving potentially 3 WIAC teams traveling.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 25, 2009, 09:39:45 PM
And the upset, Stout over SP. I think SP could get caught looking ahead and Stout has the energy to keep up with SP. SP has had a little slipage recently and I think they're ripe for an upset. The game I would love to see in the finals is Stout - EC but it ain't going to happen! We will see if I am wrong as usual.
Let me try to end this right now. I would not think SP will be looking ahead to the WIAC finals with Stout coming to Berg. I believe Stout won the last meeting in Berg and that was the last meeting overall. I would never overlook an opponent that just beat me, and I doubt SP is going to as well. I think this could be a disrespect to Stout saying that they can only beat SP if they are overlooking them. I mean if SP was able to win, they wouldn't even know who their opponent would be yet! This is absurd.
Also about the regional rankings and hosting, I do not know how many of those west teams would host over the WIAC tournament champion. Based on this weeks rankings, I think who ever wins the WIAC tournament, except Stout since they are not ranked, will host that opening weekend. I just don't see a school from the UMAC, MIAC, or IIAC hosting over a WIAC school. I am biased on this account, but just guessing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:24:16 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:24:16 AM
So UsuallyWrong - is your thinking that the central region will have three hosting schools - IWU, WashU, and the winner of the WIAC. But the WIAC will play host to some western region schools? Do you think this also happens if Eau Claire pulls the upset and wins the WIAC tourney?
I have been trying to figure this out too. Of course guessing parts of the bracket is sometimes like guessing the beginning of a circle.... :)
I have been trying to figure this out too. Of course guessing parts of the bracket is sometimes like guessing the beginning of a circle.... :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 12:27:42 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 12:27:42 AM
In the case of UWSP and UWW you have to consider the men's program as well. This year the women have priority for a 1st/2nd round hosting and the men have priority for the Sectional round in the event that one school has both programs selected to host. Certainly could come into play once the brackets are done.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
Yes and also in the case of WashU...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:37:54 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:37:54 AM
Just Bill (and anyone else who has thoughts about this and my previous question) - obviously we won't see the last regional ranking, but here's another hypothetical:
WashU wins against Chicago (if WashU loses to Chicago this question won't even matter)
WW or SP win the WIAC
Does WW or SP jump WashU in that last regional rankings? or does it not even matter because either one of the two schools will host teams from other regions anyway (for the WIAC winner hosting schools from the West, Central, and/or Great Lakes and for WashU hosting schools from the Central, South, and/or Great Lakes)?
WashU wins against Chicago (if WashU loses to Chicago this question won't even matter)
WW or SP win the WIAC
Does WW or SP jump WashU in that last regional rankings? or does it not even matter because either one of the two schools will host teams from other regions anyway (for the WIAC winner hosting schools from the West, Central, and/or Great Lakes and for WashU hosting schools from the Central, South, and/or Great Lakes)?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
Quote from: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 12:37:54 AM
Just Bill (and anyone else who has thoughts about this and my previous question) - obviously we won't see the last regional ranking, but here's another hypothetical:
WashU wins against Chicago (if WashU loses to Chicago this question won't even matter)
WW or SP win the WIAC
Does WW or SP jump WashU in that last regional rankings? or does it not even matter because either one of the two schools will host teams from other regions anyway (for the WIAC winner hosting schools from the West, Central, and/or Great Lakes and for WashU hosting schools from the Central, South, and/or Great Lakes)?
I guess my answer is I have no idea. I think the margin in between Wash U, SP, and WW is pretty close right now since they have all been 2-4 the first three rankings. Its a good question.
The reason I do not see the West Schools being able to host is pretty much just regional records. The UMAC and MIAC are fairly close to WI, so I would guess they would just get bused to EC, WW or SP. I do think EC will move ahead of WW and SP if they can win the conference tournament.
There is also a team from the SLIAC that will most likely go to Wash U, and teams from MWC and the Northern Athletic Conference that will travel to a Wisconsin School or IWU.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 01:13:42 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 26, 2009, 01:13:42 AM
gotcha UsuallyWrong...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 25, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Eagles/Warhawks - same difference.... ;D
Both are birds and at one time both were Native Americans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2009, 12:49:20 PM
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2009, 12:49:20 PM
I would not think SP will be looking ahead to the WIAC finals with Stout coming to Berg. I believe Stout won the last meeting in Berg and that was the last meeting overall. I would never overlook an opponent that just beat me, and I doubt SP is going to as well. I think this could be a disrespect to Stout saying that they can only beat SP if they are overlooking them....
My context for an upset is that Stout is the 4th seed and SP the number one seed. If Stout wins, it will be a huge upset. JMM
My context for an upset is that Stout is the 4th seed and SP the number one seed. If Stout wins, it will be a huge upset. JMM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 26, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 26, 2009, 12:49:20 PM
My context for an upset is that Stout is the 4th seed and SP the number one seed. If Stout wins, it will be a huge upset. JMM
I got ya, but I doubt SP is looking ahead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 08:31:07 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 08:31:07 PM
In a low scoring affair, EC up 18-5 over UWW, 4min left 1st half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
UWW shooting 9% so far.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
EC up 26-8 at the half. Holding a team like UWW to 8 points on their home court is absolutely fantastic. Great defense by the Golds.
However, in the back of my mind, I feel like UWW could explode anytime. They are just too good of a team to be held this low for this long. Again though, if EC plays the defense they played in the 1st half, it will be tough for UWW to come back.
However, in the back of my mind, I feel like UWW could explode anytime. They are just too good of a team to be held this low for this long. Again though, if EC plays the defense they played in the 1st half, it will be tough for UWW to come back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
EC up 43-16 10min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:14:44 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:14:44 PM
EC up 45-16, 8min left. Incredible!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
EC up 49-23, 5min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Stunning!
SP 7, Stout 4 - 12:55 to go 1st. Slow start for both teams.
SP 7, Stout 4 - 12:55 to go 1st. Slow start for both teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:39:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2009, 09:39:10 PM
EC hammers UWW, 61-34. Great performance by EC. Excellent defense! Morton held to 7pts and 6rebs. UWW only shoots 23%. All EC players played well. One more to go. Go Stout!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2009, 09:40:16 PM
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2009, 09:40:16 PM
EC pounds WW with defense, defense, defense. WW held to 8 points in the first half. EC wins by 25+ points. EC goes to final. The "bigs - Plendil and Messick" for EC hold Morton to 7. Last week Hirsig was held to 4. The big question does defense win championship tournements?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
UWSP 20, Stout 11. 6:04 1st
Stout shooting 24%, UWSP 30%.
Stout shooting 24%, UWSP 30%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Looks like SP didn't overlook Stout and wins by 12. Point did a really nice job on the glass despite getting out-rebounded. SP made enough FTS to keep Stout at bay to end the game. Stout starting fouling at the 3:37 mark in the 2nd half to really prolong this game, but SP made a majority of them. This Stevens Point team may only have 1-2 first team all conference players, but they really have a balanced team. Flease steps up with 17 pts tonight and Bandow finishes with 13, both off the bench. Thats really hard to game plan when the 6th and 7th players have 30 between them.
Looks like EC played a great game against WW. I would ask someone how it went, but with only 132 people there I doubt anyone would respond. Tough when only 132 people fill the stands for a top 12 showdown, but of course it gets tough with the weather and with the men playing in a top 10 game as well.
Sets up EC v. SP, round 4.
I think this puts WW on the bubble now. They have no shot at hosting and I would think a return trip to IWU might be a possibility if they make it at all. I expect St. Norberts, if they win the MWC, and EC to jump them in the central region rankings that don't get made public. They have to hope that all the teams that are supposed to win their AQs do. Big loss for WW. On the other hand, I think EC and SP are now in the tournament with their wins tonight.
Looks like EC played a great game against WW. I would ask someone how it went, but with only 132 people there I doubt anyone would respond. Tough when only 132 people fill the stands for a top 12 showdown, but of course it gets tough with the weather and with the men playing in a top 10 game as well.
Sets up EC v. SP, round 4.
I think this puts WW on the bubble now. They have no shot at hosting and I would think a return trip to IWU might be a possibility if they make it at all. I expect St. Norberts, if they win the MWC, and EC to jump them in the central region rankings that don't get made public. They have to hope that all the teams that are supposed to win their AQs do. Big loss for WW. On the other hand, I think EC and SP are now in the tournament with their wins tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
Been a long time since I posted. Had the opportunity to watch Stout at Point tonight. Got to admit, I didn't think Point was a top 10 team earlier based on previous seasons and teams that have played in the WIAC that have just dominated but this team has put it together and plays great together. It's fun to watch things executed successfully versus random this and that. Three words: Flees for President. Nuff said about that.
Stout - well, amazing to see a program so down in my opinion. They either put it together or have nothing. Not sound, not talented in my opinion (in general). It was dismal to watch them foul with 7 minutes to go to try to stay in it. Had Point shot better, this one isn't even close. Good luck to the Pointer women on Saturday as they go round 4 with EC.
As for the WW loss...wow. It's tourney time and you put up 34 - AND you're ranked #4. Give me a break. ZERO excuses, they do NOT deserve to be in the tourny. Best of luck to all the teams. I hope Point doesn't one and out again.
Stout - well, amazing to see a program so down in my opinion. They either put it together or have nothing. Not sound, not talented in my opinion (in general). It was dismal to watch them foul with 7 minutes to go to try to stay in it. Had Point shot better, this one isn't even close. Good luck to the Pointer women on Saturday as they go round 4 with EC.
As for the WW loss...wow. It's tourney time and you put up 34 - AND you're ranked #4. Give me a break. ZERO excuses, they do NOT deserve to be in the tourny. Best of luck to all the teams. I hope Point doesn't one and out again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
The entire season means nothing and the NCAA should base their decision on the last game played. Just forget the rest of it, it was meaningless. The worst game we've played in 11 years should decide our fate. No offense intended but that doesn't make much sense.
That being said we certainly didn't do anything to help our chances last night. EC sat in a 2-3 zone and our shooters couldn't toss the ball in the Atlantic Ocean. It was embarrassing.
That being said we certainly didn't do anything to help our chances last night. EC sat in a 2-3 zone and our shooters couldn't toss the ball in the Atlantic Ocean. It was embarrassing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 09:45:15 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
Been a long time since I posted. Had the opportunity to watch Stout at Point tonight. Got to admit, I didn't think Point was a top 10 team earlier based on previous seasons and teams that have played in the WIAC that have just dominated but this team has put it together and plays great together. It's fun to watch things executed successfully versus random this and that. Three words: Flees for President. Nuff said about that.
Stout - well, amazing to see a program so down in my opinion. They either put it together or have nothing. Not sound, not talented in my opinion (in general). It was dismal to watch them foul with 7 minutes to go to try to stay in it. Had Point shot better, this one isn't even close. Good luck to the Pointer women on Saturday as they go round 4 with EC.
As for the WW loss...wow. It's tourney time and you put up 34 - AND you're ranked #4. Give me a break. ZERO excuses, they do NOT deserve to be in the tourny. Best of luck to all the teams. I hope Point doesn't one and out again.
I was also at the game and I don't get where you say that Stout doesn't have talent. Hirrsig and Edwards are likely first teamers. They have a good team, it is just tough going up against the EC, SP, and WW the last two years. Stout is going to be ok. They have good coaching and will most likely be the favorite for conference in the preseason.
As for WW, I think saying that they do not deserve to be in the tournament is a little brash. Teams have bad games. A loss is a loss, doesn't matter by 30 or 1, it just looks worse if it is 30, but means the same thing. They are going to have a tough road if they do make it, but you never know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 09:50:05 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 09:50:05 AM
Hirrsig will be one of the three finalists for Player of the Year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 27, 2009, 10:52:38 AM
Post by: closetothechest on February 27, 2009, 10:52:38 AM
Carollo runs her WIAC tournament record to 1-7.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Stunning!
SP 7, Stout 4 - 12:55 to go 1st. Slow start for both teams.
Slow start? They had nearly 13 minutes to match Whitewater's output for the half!
Anway, ouch BW...that just looked painful to watch. Have no fear, I think they'll get a Pool C bid...just like the men.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 01:08:39 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 01:08:39 PM
It was brutal. I hope you're correct.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on February 27, 2009, 01:30:07 PM
Post by: jam8788 on February 27, 2009, 01:30:07 PM
Tomorrow's a rematch of last year's championship game, except it's at SP . Last year SP upset EC at home. Can the Bluegolds get revenge at SP tomorrow?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 02:39:12 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on February 27, 2009, 01:30:07 PM
Tomorrow's a rematch of last year's championship game, except it's at SP . Last year SP upset EC at home. Can the Bluegolds get revenge at SP tomorrow?
I believe last year SP was the #3 seed also and ended up winning at UWW in the semis, just like EC did. However, I think that this is a tough matchup for EC. Point's posts are too mobile when going against EC's posts in their zone defense. EC may need to sag in more and hope Point doesn't knock down their perimeter shots like they did a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
As for the WW loss...wow. It's tourney time and you put up 34 - AND you're ranked #4. Give me a break. ZERO excuses, they do NOT deserve to be in the tourny. Best of luck to all the teams. I hope Point doesn't one and out again.
UWW DOES deserve to be in the tourney. They are a very good team. It was a case where EC played perhaps their best game of the year and I suspect UWW played one of their worst. It happens, it was ONE game. Remember, UWW did beat Point a couple of weeks ago. If EC loses against Point, it will be interesting to see where EC and UWW stack up for a pool C bid (as to which one will be ranked higher in the invisible regional rankings). I believe their resumes would be pretty close. Both should get in though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 03:09:05 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 03:09:05 PM
I agree that WW does deserve to get in, but teams that deserve it don't always get a bid. I think that EC has to be ranked above WW in the invisble regional rankings after winning at WW no matter what happens in SP tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Post by: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Ok - I was harsh, I admit that...first case, Stout. I won't take anything away from Point. I was pleasantly suprised to see them come out on the attack. Solid defense, great execution, they just were unbeatable. Outside of some poor shooting during a stretch this could have been an ugly loss for Stout. And if I recall the last time they played before this one of Stout's top guns put up 37. I don't think this team fares to old Stout teams over the last 5-7 seasons and that's one reason I noted my opinion of their talent level. Of course Mark's a great coach, but to have to sit through that fouling bs for over 7 minutes to try to stay in it...that was lame. He called timeout with 48 seconds left to strategize the next move because they finally hit a three and were only down 14 or 15 at that point. Regardless, I just don't think this team was as tough as old Stout teams overall.
Normally I'd be cheering for a 3 WIAC team representation in the tourny...and I'm sure EC played great, but a loss like that on your own floor? What is that? Teams are supposed to be at the top of their game, win or go home attitude this time of year and that's what you came out with? I just don't think the #4 ranking and the hype is valid for a team that embarrasses themselves like that this time of year. It is harsh, but if they don't get a nod now from the committee, then won't that make some sort of sense. Be ready to compete or go home...accountability. SP goes 20-5 the year after they win the title - they received no bid. They were ranked, got no love. Nuff said, I would be defending my team as well if I was a WW fan, but this is not the time of year for a loss like that or excuses.
Good luck to SP - they appear to be a force to be reckoned with. Looking forward to a war this Saturday!
Normally I'd be cheering for a 3 WIAC team representation in the tourny...and I'm sure EC played great, but a loss like that on your own floor? What is that? Teams are supposed to be at the top of their game, win or go home attitude this time of year and that's what you came out with? I just don't think the #4 ranking and the hype is valid for a team that embarrasses themselves like that this time of year. It is harsh, but if they don't get a nod now from the committee, then won't that make some sort of sense. Be ready to compete or go home...accountability. SP goes 20-5 the year after they win the title - they received no bid. They were ranked, got no love. Nuff said, I would be defending my team as well if I was a WW fan, but this is not the time of year for a loss like that or excuses.
Good luck to SP - they appear to be a force to be reckoned with. Looking forward to a war this Saturday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
SP goes 20-5 the year after they win the title - they received no bid. They were ranked, got no love.
Back then I believe that there were only 8 Pool C bids. Now there are something like 20 bids. That is why they didn't get in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2009, 06:48:07 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2009, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 09:30:48 AMAgree with most everyone else, Whitewater should be in the tournament. The score is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
The entire season means nothing and the NCAA should base their decision on the last game played. Just forget the rest of it, it was meaningless. The worst game we've played in 11 years should decide our fate. No offense intended but that doesn't make much sense.
That being said we certainly didn't do anything to help our chances last night. EC sat in a 2-3 zone and our shooters couldn't toss the ball in the Atlantic Ocean. It was embarrassing.
BW- I think you wrote something similar after the La Crosse and maybe one other game. WW's top three 3-pt attempt kids are shooting 33%, 27%, and 26%. The term "shooters" may not be accurate for Whitewater. There's not a kid that other terms are truly worried about leaving open which is why they'll keep seeing zones.
I don't care what defense the other team is playing; 29 3-point attempts!?!?!? I understand they were playing from way down but you can attack a 2-3 many other ways than launching 3's. They took 28 against La Crosse, 22 against EC last time they lost.
They've got to figure out another way to play against a zone.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2009, 06:55:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2009, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2009, 09:30:48 AMThey should have turned around and faced the other way. The Pacific Ocean is much bigger.
EC sat in a 2-3 zone and our shooters couldn't toss the ball in the Atlantic Ocean.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 27, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on February 27, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Of course Mark's a great coach, but to have to sit through that fouling bs for over 7 minutes to try to stay in it...that was lame. He called timeout with 48 seconds left to strategize the next move because they finally hit a three and were only down 14 or 15 at that point. Regardless, I just don't think this team was as tough as old Stout teams overall.
Be ready to compete or go home...accountability. SP goes 20-5 the year after they win the title - they received no bid. They were ranked, got no love. Nuff said, I would be defending my team as well if I was a WW fan, but this is not the time of year for a loss like that or excuses.
Coach Thomas was trying to extend the game. He started fouling with 3:37 left in the game. This team isn't as tough as the old Stout teams, but they play hard. All you can really ask from a D3 college athlete. Its good people are getting punches in this year because if they find a reliable PG like Churchill, Hendricks, or the Geisslers watch out.
I think that every team should play WW in a zone. You are going to take your lumps on the defensive glass because its tough to block out in a zone, but their best player owns the lane and their shooters aren't as good as last year. Its ironic because those are the same shooters as last year. They need to figure it out soon or their season may have a max of one game left. Maybe Morton needs more touches. I saw she had two fouls in the first half last night, but they didn't come until about 7 minutes left in the first half and the were already down 14-5.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 27, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
I've read some interesting stuff here over the last day...
Some of it was really pretty good!
The rest of it..... ::)
Congratulations to EC and SP on their victories.
And good luck to WW on getting a pool C bid.
Some of it was really pretty good!
The rest of it..... ::)
Congratulations to EC and SP on their victories.
And good luck to WW on getting a pool C bid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
POOL C WATCH
Below are the conferences that get an automatic qualifier with the teams that have regional records similar to or better than the 3 WIAC schools in Pool C contention. The number after the teams record is their strength of schedule ranking. This info is based on games through Wednesday. I apologize for any errors. Remember, a lot of these teams will get Pool A bids.
Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
Pit Greensburg (18-2), 311
American Southwest Conference
Texas-Dallas (21-3), 211
Mississippi College (21-3), 208
McMurray (18-4), 260
Capital Athletic Conference
York (24-1), 298
Marymount (19-4), 99
Centennial Conference
Muhlenberg (22-3), 82
City University of New York Athletic Conference
Baruch (20-4), 94
Staten Island (18-4), 113
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
IWU (23-0), 80
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Nichols (23-3), 182
Endicott (20-4), 147
Empire 8
None
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Norwich (18-4), 203
Great South Athletic Conference
None
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Transylvania (18-3), 79
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Simpson (18-3), 150
Liberty League
Union (18-4), 88
Little East Conference
Eastern Conn (24-2), 164
Western Conn (20-4), 138
Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference
Westfield State (19-4), 95
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Hope (19-1), 309
Middle Atlantic Commonwealth
Messiah (21-4), 30
Middle Atlantic Freedom
Desales (22-4), 24
Midwest Conference
St. Norbert (18-2), 112
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
St. Bens (22-3), 174
New England Small College Athletic Conference
Amherst (23-1), 49
Bowdoin (20-4), 5
Tufts (21-3), 12
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
None
New Jersey Athletic Conference
New Jersey (21-4), 135
North Atlantic Conference
None
North Coast Athletic Conference
None
North Eastern Athletic Conference
???
Northern Athletics Conference
Concordia (20-4), 152
Northwest Conference
George Fox (20-0), 252
Ohio Athletic Conference
Capital (20-4), 227
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Roanoke (21-3), 248
Pennsylvania Athletic Conference
Presidents Athletic Conference
Thomas More (20-2), 171
Wash & Jeff (19-3), 121
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Maryville (18-2), 224
Skyline Conference
Mt. St. Mary (21-3), 126
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Occidental (19-4), 339
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Oglethorpe (18-3), 23
Depauw (15-3), 27
State University of New York Athletic Conference
Cortland St. (22-3), 266
Oneonta St. (19-4), 185
University Athletic Association
WashU (18-4), 8
Rochester (21-3), 3
NYU (20-4), 9
Brandeis (16-6)
USA South Athletic Conference
Greensboro (24-0), 272
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
UWSP (21-3), 45
UWW (20-3), 31
UWEC (18-4), 17
Below are the conferences that get an automatic qualifier with the teams that have regional records similar to or better than the 3 WIAC schools in Pool C contention. The number after the teams record is their strength of schedule ranking. This info is based on games through Wednesday. I apologize for any errors. Remember, a lot of these teams will get Pool A bids.
Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
Pit Greensburg (18-2), 311
American Southwest Conference
Texas-Dallas (21-3), 211
Mississippi College (21-3), 208
McMurray (18-4), 260
Capital Athletic Conference
York (24-1), 298
Marymount (19-4), 99
Centennial Conference
Muhlenberg (22-3), 82
City University of New York Athletic Conference
Baruch (20-4), 94
Staten Island (18-4), 113
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
IWU (23-0), 80
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Nichols (23-3), 182
Endicott (20-4), 147
Empire 8
None
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Norwich (18-4), 203
Great South Athletic Conference
None
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Transylvania (18-3), 79
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Simpson (18-3), 150
Liberty League
Union (18-4), 88
Little East Conference
Eastern Conn (24-2), 164
Western Conn (20-4), 138
Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference
Westfield State (19-4), 95
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Hope (19-1), 309
Middle Atlantic Commonwealth
Messiah (21-4), 30
Middle Atlantic Freedom
Desales (22-4), 24
Midwest Conference
St. Norbert (18-2), 112
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
St. Bens (22-3), 174
New England Small College Athletic Conference
Amherst (23-1), 49
Bowdoin (20-4), 5
Tufts (21-3), 12
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
None
New Jersey Athletic Conference
New Jersey (21-4), 135
North Atlantic Conference
None
North Coast Athletic Conference
None
North Eastern Athletic Conference
???
Northern Athletics Conference
Concordia (20-4), 152
Northwest Conference
George Fox (20-0), 252
Ohio Athletic Conference
Capital (20-4), 227
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Roanoke (21-3), 248
Pennsylvania Athletic Conference
Presidents Athletic Conference
Thomas More (20-2), 171
Wash & Jeff (19-3), 121
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Maryville (18-2), 224
Skyline Conference
Mt. St. Mary (21-3), 126
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Occidental (19-4), 339
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Oglethorpe (18-3), 23
Depauw (15-3), 27
State University of New York Athletic Conference
Cortland St. (22-3), 266
Oneonta St. (19-4), 185
University Athletic Association
WashU (18-4), 8
Rochester (21-3), 3
NYU (20-4), 9
Brandeis (16-6)
USA South Athletic Conference
Greensboro (24-0), 272
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
UWSP (21-3), 45
UWW (20-3), 31
UWEC (18-4), 17
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 28, 2009, 11:05:28 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on February 28, 2009, 11:05:28 AM
buf - Thats good formatting for that info. You should post that on the Pool C board (I would but I dont know how to copy from board to board and maintain the quoting format)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
UWEC up early, 12-5, with 10min left 1st half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops49 on February 28, 2009, 08:03:28 PM
Post by: hoops49 on February 28, 2009, 08:03:28 PM
What's up with Heidi ??? No way we can win with one of our top scorers not scoring.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2009, 10:32:05 PM
Point wins, 46-42. Point missed a shot up 2 with 20sec left but they got the rebound and ended up making 2 free throws for a 4-point lead
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2009, 12:06:18 AM
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2009, 12:06:18 AM
SP was the better team tonight. They did not faulter despite the awesome start by EC. Fact is EC has not been shooting well the last several games, it hurt them after the early lead. BUT UWSP played an outstanding defensive game. Heidi and Witt were kept at bay. (Witt was wound pretty tight most of the game and didn't loosen up until late in the second half.) EC fell short by a hair in coming back that said, they openned the door for SP at the start of the second half and again 2/3 the way through the second half.
This was a heck of a basketball game by both teams who each really wanted to win. It was absolutley intense. Seemd like the halfs went by in seconds, not minutes. Both coaches did outstanding jobs. Once they got their balance back, SP was able to really shut down EC offense (the same for EC shuting down SP). We wait and see how the WIAC comes out in the NCAA. If EC and WW get in along with SP, any of these teams can go very deep - very deep.
This was a heck of a basketball game by both teams who each really wanted to win. It was absolutley intense. Seemd like the halfs went by in seconds, not minutes. Both coaches did outstanding jobs. Once they got their balance back, SP was able to really shut down EC offense (the same for EC shuting down SP). We wait and see how the WIAC comes out in the NCAA. If EC and WW get in along with SP, any of these teams can go very deep - very deep.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 01, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Post by: stoutguy on March 01, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Got to make my 2nd trip to Berg gym this week as I worked the EC/Point game. What a fun day that turned out to be. Saw both championship games and was treated so well by the Pointer staff. You guys run a first class operation. Both games were great games to watch. The scores were both in the 40's but no lack of intensity, emotion, and drama.
Note to both head coaches from a radio guy standpoint: After the game, while the Pointers are cutting down the nets (it takes awhile), Shirley is making herself available to her radio guys and beat writers so they can do their jobs. Class act. Tonja, after a tough loss, has to manage her way through the packed crowd (still watching the ceremonies) up 6 bleachers (not an easy task with a skirt on) to our packed in space to do our postgame interview. Again, class act. It was a great day to be a part of WIAC basketball. Thank you, Clear Channel boss. You are my hero.
Note to both head coaches from a radio guy standpoint: After the game, while the Pointers are cutting down the nets (it takes awhile), Shirley is making herself available to her radio guys and beat writers so they can do their jobs. Class act. Tonja, after a tough loss, has to manage her way through the packed crowd (still watching the ceremonies) up 6 bleachers (not an easy task with a skirt on) to our packed in space to do our postgame interview. Again, class act. It was a great day to be a part of WIAC basketball. Thank you, Clear Channel boss. You are my hero.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
D3Hoops Bracket Projections are up: http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/09/projected.htm
They've got UWEC hosting a "pod" while Point goes to Wash U. and UWW goes to Illinois Wes. Tough break for UWSP if that's how it goes down, having won both league titles and beating UWEC 3 of 4 times.
BRACKET 6
1 Illinois Wesleyan
2 Washington U.
3 UW-Stevens Point
4 UW-Whitewater
5 Concordia (Wis.)
6 Ohio Wesleyan
7 Maryville (Mo.)
8 Ripon
We couldn't split the three WIAC teams over three brackets like we wanted. We also couldn't give IWU the bye we wanted.
BRACKET 8
1 George Fox *
2 UW-Eau Claire
3 St. Benedict
4 Simpson
5 Concordia-Moorhead
6 Occidental *
7 Chapman *
BYE
Bye goes here, mostly for geography, though it's not like George Fox isn't worthy. Concordia vs. UW-EC, Simpson vs. St. Ben's.
They've got UWEC hosting a "pod" while Point goes to Wash U. and UWW goes to Illinois Wes. Tough break for UWSP if that's how it goes down, having won both league titles and beating UWEC 3 of 4 times.
BRACKET 6
1 Illinois Wesleyan
2 Washington U.
3 UW-Stevens Point
4 UW-Whitewater
5 Concordia (Wis.)
6 Ohio Wesleyan
7 Maryville (Mo.)
8 Ripon
We couldn't split the three WIAC teams over three brackets like we wanted. We also couldn't give IWU the bye we wanted.
BRACKET 8
1 George Fox *
2 UW-Eau Claire
3 St. Benedict
4 Simpson
5 Concordia-Moorhead
6 Occidental *
7 Chapman *
BYE
Bye goes here, mostly for geography, though it's not like George Fox isn't worthy. Concordia vs. UW-EC, Simpson vs. St. Ben's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
A few thoughts on the projections:
That would be a tough break for Point. However, I think that you may be able to switch Wash U and Point, so that Point could host. Wash U and IWU are fairly close together. I don't think the NCAA has ever had 2 hosts (of a pod) that close together.
Bracket 6 is top heavy. The top 4 would all be heavy favorites in the 1st round. Bracket 8 is more streamlined.
Moorhead gets in over Norberts??? I don't see the reasoning for this. Norbert's has a much better regional record and has a better SOS.
As a UWEC fan, I do enjoy these predictions. I thought that EC would have a good shot at hosting if they defeated Point yesterday, but not if they lost. Heck, when they lost, I was just hoping for NCAA to send EC out West, preferably St. Ben's, thus avoiding Point. If EC got to host, that would be great.
Remember, these are just predictions. The WORD gets set in stone tomorrow morning. We will be able to find out more tonight when they tell us whos in for the women.
That would be a tough break for Point. However, I think that you may be able to switch Wash U and Point, so that Point could host. Wash U and IWU are fairly close together. I don't think the NCAA has ever had 2 hosts (of a pod) that close together.
Bracket 6 is top heavy. The top 4 would all be heavy favorites in the 1st round. Bracket 8 is more streamlined.
Moorhead gets in over Norberts??? I don't see the reasoning for this. Norbert's has a much better regional record and has a better SOS.
As a UWEC fan, I do enjoy these predictions. I thought that EC would have a good shot at hosting if they defeated Point yesterday, but not if they lost. Heck, when they lost, I was just hoping for NCAA to send EC out West, preferably St. Ben's, thus avoiding Point. If EC got to host, that would be great.
Remember, these are just predictions. The WORD gets set in stone tomorrow morning. We will be able to find out more tonight when they tell us whos in for the women.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:24:03 PM
The projections listed EC as the 5th (out of 20) Pool C in the tourney. UWW was the 7th in. Basically, they are saying that both teams are locks by a long ways.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 01, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 01, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
A few thoughts on the projections:
That would be a tough break for Point. However, I think that you may be able to switch Wash U and Point, so that Point could host. Wash U and IWU are fairly close together. I don't think the NCAA has ever had 2 hosts (of a pod) that close together.
Bracket 6 is top heavy. The top 4 would all be heavy favorites in the 1st round. Bracket 8 is more streamlined.
Moorhead gets in over Norberts??? I don't see the reasoning for this. Norbert's has a much better regional record and has a better SOS.
As a UWEC fan, I do enjoy these predictions. I thought that EC would have a good shot at hosting if they defeated Point yesterday, but not if they lost. Heck, when they lost, I was just hoping for NCAA to send EC out West, preferably St. Ben's, thus avoiding Point. If EC got to host, that would be great.
Remember, these are just predictions. The WORD gets set in stone tomorrow morning. We will be able to find out more tonight when they tell us whos in for the women.
They have switched their predictions. Point to host.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Yeah, sorry I didn't catch it sooner but about a half-hour after they went up I went back with something resembling fresh eyes and that didn't make any sense. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 06:30:52 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 06:30:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2009, 05:46:49 PM
Yeah, sorry I didn't catch it sooner but about a half-hour after they went up I went back with something resembling fresh eyes and that didn't make any sense. :)
Can you switch those back! I liked them better before ;D
Now I am back to hoping St. Bens hosts and EC goes there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: buf on March 01, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
We will be able to find out more tonight when they tell us whos in for the women.
Check that! Now they are saying everything (teams and brackets) happens Monday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2009, 09:10:32 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2009, 09:10:32 PM
Yep, the women's committee opted about two weeks ago to do everything in a Monday webcast, which they haven't done in a few years.
(Don't tell the teams that are watching, but it's not a live broadcast. You can fast forward to your region anytime you want.)
(Don't tell the teams that are watching, but it's not a live broadcast. You can fast forward to your region anytime you want.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on March 02, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
Post by: bgbacker on March 02, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
Stoutguy ..
Thanks for the comments on the coaches from SP and EC. It's true, it shows a lot of class to remember the guys who cover your team in the media when you're in the middle of a celebration ... or the aftermath of a tough loss.
I think most coaches (and broadcasters) realize that they're not doing it for the media...they're doing it for their fans who aren't at the game. To me, it always adds a punctuation mark on a good post-game to have a few brief comments from the coach.
By the way, Stoutguy, you and Jason did a great job on the broadcast. Your boss at Clear Channel had better appreciate it!
Thanks for the comments on the coaches from SP and EC. It's true, it shows a lot of class to remember the guys who cover your team in the media when you're in the middle of a celebration ... or the aftermath of a tough loss.
I think most coaches (and broadcasters) realize that they're not doing it for the media...they're doing it for their fans who aren't at the game. To me, it always adds a punctuation mark on a good post-game to have a few brief comments from the coach.
By the way, Stoutguy, you and Jason did a great job on the broadcast. Your boss at Clear Channel had better appreciate it!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
The brackets have been announced:
Winners: Point, UWW
Losers: EC
Point has got about as "cake" of a pod as you can get in this part of the country.
UWW has a bit of a tough game first round (although they hammered them last year in the tourney), but I think that they should be slight favorites to get through that pod.
EC has got an absolute horrible draw.
1st round games:
EC vs Depauw at IWU
UWW vs. Simpson at St. Bens
Point at home vs Maryville
Winners: Point, UWW
Losers: EC
Point has got about as "cake" of a pod as you can get in this part of the country.
UWW has a bit of a tough game first round (although they hammered them last year in the tourney), but I think that they should be slight favorites to get through that pod.
EC has got an absolute horrible draw.
1st round games:
EC vs Depauw at IWU
UWW vs. Simpson at St. Bens
Point at home vs Maryville
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 11:55:24 AM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 11:55:24 AM
Another situation where they could have switched UWW and UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
EC got a really really tough draw. I would assume that the NCAA didn't want to send WW to IWU again like last year. Its unfair to EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 02, 2009, 01:09:29 PM
Post by: billys on March 02, 2009, 01:09:29 PM
Point with a HUGE gift in the region. Wesleyan should probably be wondering why they've got EC/DePauw in the 2nd round and Point gets their 2nd round match-up. And I agree buf, WW got a gift avoiding both WIAC's and Wesleyan through 3 rounds. Obviously Wash U would be a huge hurdle but I think they'll take it.
Glad the tournament has evolved to the point where the 3 deserving WIAC schools are firmly in the tournament.
Glad the tournament has evolved to the point where the 3 deserving WIAC schools are firmly in the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 01:10:52 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
EC got a really really tough draw. I would assume that the NCAA didn't want to send WW to IWU again like last year. Its unfair to EC.
A lot of fans will miss out. I think there would be quite a few EC fans make the 2.5 hour trip to ST. Bens. Now they will have to make what I would imagine be a 6-7 hour trip. I'm sure a lot less fans will do that. Also, UWW is probably closer to IWU than to St Bens. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
As far as the NCAA goes, there are only two travel distances: Within 500 miles and outside 500 miles.
They don't look at whether one team is 400 and another is 200. As long as two teams are both within 500 miles they are considered the same for bracketing purposes. So if you're trying to find an explanation for the brackets, that one isn't it. It's got to be in the numbers somwhere.
They don't look at whether one team is 400 and another is 200. As long as two teams are both within 500 miles they are considered the same for bracketing purposes. So if you're trying to find an explanation for the brackets, that one isn't it. It's got to be in the numbers somwhere.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2009, 04:00:18 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2009, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
It's got to be in the numbers somwhere.
I just do not see how EC will be behind WW. The beat them 2 out of 3 times and played a tougher schedule. The thing that hurt them could have been 1-3 record vs SP while WW was 1-1. Not fair to hurt a team based on playing SP in a non-conference schedule. Not impressed with this bracket.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
EC did get a bad deal, WW was the winner this year - wonder if last years finish had anything to do with it - I know probably not. . All said, if EC wins their first two games, they may have the pleasure of playing Point one more time. I don't know if either school could get up again for that game. I need to research how the Plendil/Messick team will match up against DePauw. Go WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 06:43:48 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 02, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
EC did get a bad deal, WW was the winner this year.
Might have something to do with the WW coach being the WIAC rep to the central region. http://www.wiacsports.com/mbasket/0809Code.pdf It is about half way through and in Part VII.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 02, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
Post by: billys on March 02, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 06:43:48 PMIsn't that more about selection than placement?Quote from: JMM on March 02, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
EC did get a bad deal, WW was the winner this year.
Might have something to do with the WW coach being the WIAC rep to the central region. http://www.wiacsports.com/mbasket/0809Code.pdf It is about half way through and in Part VII.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 07:03:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 07:03:15 PM
First, whatever you think about Carollo, I highly doubt she'd use that position to try and screw over a conference rival.
Second, the Regional Advisory Committees are out of the loop once they forward their final regional ranking on to the national committee. From that point on, the Central Region chair who serves on the National Committee represents the WIAC and all the other Central Region teams.
That person would be Tim Bernero of Carthage College.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=621 (under the Division III > Women subheadings)
Second, the Regional Advisory Committees are out of the loop once they forward their final regional ranking on to the national committee. From that point on, the Central Region chair who serves on the National Committee represents the WIAC and all the other Central Region teams.
That person would be Tim Bernero of Carthage College.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=621 (under the Division III > Women subheadings)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 07:03:15 PM
First, whatever you think about Carollo, I highly doubt she'd use that position to try and screw over a conference rival.
Second, the Regional Advisory Committees are out of the loop once they forward their final regional ranking on to the national committee. From that point on, the Central Region chair who serves on the National Committee represents the WIAC and all the other Central Region teams.
That person would be Tim Bernero of Carthage College.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=621 (under the Division III > Women subheadings)
I am not saying that she used it to screw over a conference rival, but maybe put her team in a better situation. It makes more sense to send WW to IWU than it does EC. It is not like she is an unbiased person in the situation. Her opinion counts.
I am not saying that this actually did happen. Just what ran through my mind when I saw the brackets.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 07:24:03 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 07:24:03 PM
Her opinion counts only when creating the regional rankings. She's not on the call when they are selecting teams and creating brackets.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 02, 2009, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
It's got to be in the numbers somwhere.
I just do not see how EC will be behind WW. The beat them 2 out of 3 times and played a tougher schedule. The thing that hurt them could have been 1-3 record vs SP while WW was 1-1. Not fair to hurt a team based on playing SP in a non-conference schedule. Not impressed with this bracket.
I've brought this up before, but back in the 2001/2002 season, Stout went 15 - 1 in the WIAC, beat Point both times during the regular season and Point didn't even make the WIAC Tournament Championship game...
Stout went on the road and Point played their first four games in the NCAA tournament at home.
Life ain't always fair.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 08:10:22 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 08:10:22 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 02, 2009, 07:48:03 PM
I've brought this up before, but back in the 2001/2002 season, Stout went 15 - 1 in the WIAC, beat Point both times during the regular season and Point didn't even make the WIAC Tournament Championship game...
Stout went on the road and Point played their first four games in the NCAA tournament at home.
Life ain't always fair.
You've brought this up before? I haven't noticed :). Point played their first game at home, then went to Wash U. After that game they returned home. I think Wash U had a 70 game home win streak, a 36 game win streak overall and were also 4 time national champions.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2009, 07:24:03 PM
Her opinion counts only when creating the regional rankings. She's not on the call when they are selecting teams and creating brackets.
How often do the rankings change once it goes to the national level? Don't they usually trust their regional reps for the most part? I am sure Bernano can't see EC and WW play that much, if it all, so he is going to trust the WIAC conference rep.
WW was 13-4 against conference opponents during the conference season and tournament. EC was 14-5 during the same time. EC just beat up on WW the last two meetings. I mean these games weren't even close. I don't need other numbers to tell me who is better, it is pretty obvious. No need to think WW is better right now. I, like many other people, thought WW would go to IWU like last year.
On another note, how bout IWU's pod. That is loaded for a first weekend!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
WOW! I see that all 4 UAA teams that got in are hosting this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2009, 09:18:04 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2009, 09:18:04 PM
We can all second quess all we want. That's part of this site. Other than the early loss to WW and the "flubbed" game to RF, Three of those 5 losses were to Point. EC totally dominated WW in the last two games. Does being part of the process get you a "good" break - maybe. Curious to see the next D3Hoops rating to see how WW and EC are ranked.
MM
MM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2009, 07:18:28 AM
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2009, 07:18:28 AM
I think the second to last D3Hoops poll has it pretty correct. EC is very properly placed as well as Point and WW. The NCAA criteria and seed is not based upon real rank - it's geographic equity. So if your Point or EC you don't get to play the easier teams. While the WW seed is bothersome to EC fans, SP fans should be real unhappy. I guess time will tell. EC and SP can still go deep into this thing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2009, 07:45:42 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2009, 07:45:42 AM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 02, 2009, 08:10:22 PM
You've brought this up before? I haven't noticed :). Point played their first game at home, then went to Wash U. After that game they returned home.
Maybe once or twice... ;D
I stand corrected - they played 3 of the first 4 games at home.
Still not to bad for a team that was swept by their conference champion during the regular season, and failed to earn the right to play the conference champion in the WIAC tournament because they lost in the semis...........
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 09:50:40 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 09:50:40 AM
Yes, the Stevens Point fans hang their head in shame everytime they look up at the big National Championship banner in their gym. ::)
Seriously, it's been seven years. You need to let it go.
Seriously, it's been seven years. You need to let it go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UCONN on March 03, 2009, 10:12:17 AM
Post by: UCONN on March 03, 2009, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 02, 2009, 09:18:04 PM"Flubbed"game at RF. If I remember right EC beat RF by 4 at EC, then lost to them in RF by 6. In the Conf tournament it was a six point game with 3 or 4 minutes left. In the WIAC this year there were teams that beat all three teams that are in the NCAA. Don't forget how strong LX and Stout were too. It was all about match ups. Some teams match up better with certain teams.
We can all second quess all we want. That's part of this site. Other than the early loss to WW and the "flubbed" game to RF, Three of those 5 losses were to Point. EC totally dominated WW in the last two games. Does being part of the process get you a "good" break - maybe. Curious to see the next D3Hoops rating to see how WW and EC are ranked.
MM
The WIAC one of the best D3 Conferences in the Nation. Do not be surprised if all three teams have a great weekend. Just like the regular season these three tema can beat ANYONE when they are on there games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 03, 2009, 07:18:28 AM
So if your Point you don't get to play the easier teams. While the WW seed is bothersome to EC fans, SP fans should be real unhappy. I guess time will tell. EC and SP can still go deep into this thing.
I am sure that Point isn't upset, actually they should be happy. They get to play at home and got a fairly easy pod (compared to others in the midwest). Maryville could be a bit tricky. They have a good record versus D3 teams, however they do come from one of the worst conferences. EC defeated Concordia (WI) by 22 points on a nuetral court earlier this season. I am still not sure how Moorhead got into the tournament with a 17-7 regional record and not a high SOS. Somehow they get a lot easier 1st round matchup than does UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 11:19:39 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: UCONN on March 03, 2009, 10:12:17 AM
"Flubbed"game at RF. If I remember right EC beat RF by 4 at EC, then lost to them in RF by 6. In the Conf tournament it was a six point game with 3 or 4 minutes left. In the WIAC this year there were teams that beat all three teams that are in the NCAA. Don't forget how strong LX and Stout were too. It was all about match ups. Some teams match up better with certain teams.
The WIAC one of the best D3 Conferences in the Nation. Do not be surprised if all three teams have a great weekend. Just like the regular season these three tema can beat ANYONE when they are on there games.
Why the hit-and-run post? Stick around and join the conversation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF07 on March 03, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
Post by: PRF07 on March 03, 2009, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: buf on March 03, 2009, 10:52:54 AMQuote from: JMM on March 03, 2009, 07:18:28 AMI am still not sure how Moorhead got into the tournament with a 17-7 regional record and not a high SOS. Somehow they get a lot easier 1st round matchup than does UWEC.
Definitely agree with the statement on moorhead. I was very surprised to see the miac somehow get two teams in. Concordia lost to St. Bens 3 times this year by an average of 15+ points. Doesn't make much sense especially when you look at UWEC's season and that they were put into a tough bracket.
That being said looking forward to seeing the games up at St. Bens. Looking forward to a possible St. Bens-Whitewater matchup. It will be interesting to see how this CSB team stacks up against a good team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on March 03, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: PRF07 on March 03, 2009, 11:20:32 AMQuote from: buf on March 03, 2009, 10:52:54 AMQuote from: JMM on March 03, 2009, 07:18:28 AMI am still not sure how Moorhead got into the tournament with a 17-7 regional record and not a high SOS. Somehow they get a lot easier 1st round matchup than does UWEC.
Definitely agree with the statement on moorhead. I was very surprised to see the miac somehow get two teams in. Concordia lost to St. Bens 3 times this year by an average of 15+ points. Doesn't make much sense especially when you look at UWEC's season and that they were put into a tough bracket.
That being said looking forward to seeing the games up at St. Bens. Looking forward to a possible St. Bens-Whitewater matchup. It will be interesting to see how this CSB team stacks up against a good team.
I wouldn't be so quick to discount Concordia and the fact that they got in. I still feel that, when they played their best, they were by far and away the best team in the MIAC. For whatever reason, they just didn't play their best in the two regular season games with CSB although the MIAC Championship game was much, much closer than the final score would indicate. Anyone who thinks UWSP has an easy pod may want to think again. That Concordia defense will get on you and smother the living daylights out of you.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 03, 2009, 03:31:13 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 03, 2009, 03:31:13 PM
EC has a really tough bracket, but I do not think that any team has an easy bracket. This is the NCAA tournament. No gimmes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2009, 06:30:46 PM
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2009, 06:30:46 PM
I was at the EC loss to RF as I have been at all EC games but 3. I called it "flubbed" because EC essentail wasted most of their possession time trying to get the ball upcourt. This was not necessarily due to the tenacity of the RF press but the bad "break the press" play. It was the only time all year they had this problem. The play was not used after the RF game. EC went back to Witt or Missy F. bringing the ball up directly. That is why I called it flubbed". I do acknowledge that RF made many 3pt shots that day, shot very well and made most foul shots. EC beat themselves by running a "break the press play" that they were not that used to running. Call it different if you may - but that's how I saw that particular game.
When EC and RF played in the WIAC Tournemnt, RF played a spectacular game. Very quick hands - tenacious and really kept EC tied up - on the EC side of the court. EC went through the press when it was applied like butter via Witt and Missy F not the "beat the press play". My two cents right or wrong.
When EC and RF played in the WIAC Tournemnt, RF played a spectacular game. Very quick hands - tenacious and really kept EC tied up - on the EC side of the court. EC went through the press when it was applied like butter via Witt and Missy F not the "beat the press play". My two cents right or wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2009, 11:13:04 PM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2009, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 03, 2009, 03:31:13 PM
EC has a really tough bracket, but I do not think that any team has an easy bracket. This is the NCAA tournament. No gimmes.
I didn't mean to say that it was easy in the way that it is filled with poor teams. At this point all teams in the tourney are good (at least in this part of the country). But when comparing it to other pods, the Point pod is one of the easiest that I have seen.
Do I think Point is going to stroll through, hammering their opponents this weekend? Probably not, but it could happen. I think those teams would hang around into the 2nd half, but eventually Point would win comfortably. Of course I thought that Point would roll Norberts last year and the opposite ended up happening.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2009, 07:35:52 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2009, 07:35:52 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 09:50:40 AMSeriously, it's been seven years. You need to let it go.
I would never have brought it up now except for this post:
QuoteI just do not see how EC will be behind WW. The beat them 2 out of 3 times and played a tougher schedule. The thing that hurt them could have been 1-3 record vs SP while WW was 1-1.
I clearly stated that life ain't always fair. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 05, 2009, 02:18:41 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 05, 2009, 02:18:41 PM
Congratulations to everyone who received first team all conference. Mackenzie Hunter was selected as player of the year and scholar athlete. Shirley Egner was picked as coach of the year for the 2nd straight season.
I also really like the sportsmanship award that is in its second year. Shows that not everything is about wins and losses, but also how you play the game. Congratulations to all of those winners as well.
I also really like the sportsmanship award that is in its second year. Shows that not everything is about wins and losses, but also how you play the game. Congratulations to all of those winners as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2009, 02:43:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2009, 02:43:41 PM
Here's a link to the comlete list: http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/09AllConference.html
I'll add my congratulations to all those selected.
Usually, regarding your comments on those named to the sportsmanship team, in this case you are not wrong. I echo your congrats.
I'll add my congratulations to all those selected.
Usually, regarding your comments on those named to the sportsmanship team, in this case you are not wrong. I echo your congrats.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: pvhoops on March 05, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
Post by: pvhoops on March 05, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
Just wondering if someone had time if they could run the efficiency numbers for player of the week the last two weeks...I was thinking Stacia Nemitz had a good shot/efficiency score each week..against the best in the league 3 of 4 games...I know that 2-0 seems to be somewhat of a prerequisite, but that almost discounts the players on teams at the bottom of the league most weeks..also curious she didnt receive HM..I think she ended the season 5th in boards and 8th in scoring..and some big games against the best...just wondering how she stacked up...thanks for your time in advance..and good luck to all of your teams tomorrow night...go WIAC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 06, 2009, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: billys on March 06, 2009, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: pvhoops on March 05, 2009, 11:29:19 PMWhen you get smoked by over 20 it's hard to argue most valuable/player of the week. Baker missed one shot all week and helped lead her team to the championship; the week before Morton put up 27 and 19 against her Pioneers. You better do something AMAZING if you're getting cracked by 20 a night.
Just wondering if someone had time if they could run the efficiency numbers for player of the week the last two weeks...I was thinking Stacia Nemitz had a good shot/efficiency score each week..against the best in the league 3 of 4 games...I know that 2-0 seems to be somewhat of a prerequisite, but that almost discounts the players on teams at the bottom of the league most weeks..also curious she didnt receive HM..I think she ended the season 5th in boards and 8th in scoring..and some big games against the best...just wondering how she stacked up...thanks for your time in advance..and good luck to all of your teams tomorrow night...go WIAC
As far as HM goes; I would venture to guess there was a chance she wasn't nominated. Typically teams that finish low in the standings limit their nominations knowing they'll likely only get one kid honored. The numbers for Grantman and Nemitz were very close and being a senior maybe her coach felt Grantman deserved the mention.
Congrats to the all th all-conference kids (and everyone in general for a great season). Good thing for Mackenzie Hunter the coaches vote and not this board!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 06, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 06, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Feb. 9-15
Linder (EC): +17 (one game)
Hunter (LaX): +11 +13 = +24
Pugh (Osh): +13 (one game)
Nemitz (Plat): +16 +26 = +42
Hanson (RF): +5 +16 = +21
Peterson (SP): +16 +16 = +32
Edwards (ST): +9 +17 = +26
*Morton (WW): +36 +28 = +64
Feb. 16-22
Arciszewski (EC): +14 +29 = +43
Hunter (LaX): +22 (one game)
Pugh (Osh): -1 +18 = +17
Nemitz (Plat): +32 +23 = +55
Gregerich (RF): +12 +9 = +21
*Baker (STP): +23 +19 = +42
Edwards (ST): +20 +11 = +31
Hendrickson (WW): +7 +13 = +20
* denotes player of the week
Nemitz had some pretty good games during those two weeks. No agrument about that.
Linder (EC): +17 (one game)
Hunter (LaX): +11 +13 = +24
Pugh (Osh): +13 (one game)
Nemitz (Plat): +16 +26 = +42
Hanson (RF): +5 +16 = +21
Peterson (SP): +16 +16 = +32
Edwards (ST): +9 +17 = +26
*Morton (WW): +36 +28 = +64
Feb. 16-22
Arciszewski (EC): +14 +29 = +43
Hunter (LaX): +22 (one game)
Pugh (Osh): -1 +18 = +17
Nemitz (Plat): +32 +23 = +55
Gregerich (RF): +12 +9 = +21
*Baker (STP): +23 +19 = +42
Edwards (ST): +20 +11 = +31
Hendrickson (WW): +7 +13 = +20
* denotes player of the week
Nemitz had some pretty good games during those two weeks. No agrument about that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 02:13:17 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 02:13:17 PM
Links for all the Wisconsin teams for tonight's games:
MEN
UW-Platteville vs. Hope (6:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/wheaton/wbball/
Live Video: http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/
Live Audio (UWP): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/stream/index.html
UW-Stevens Point vs. Cornell (6:00 PM)
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWSP): http://www.b1049.com/
Live Video: http://www.mnsportsnetwork.com/
Live In-game blog: http://www.tommiesports.com/
Lawrence vs. Washington Univ. (6:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/live/xlive.htm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
UW-Whitewater vs. Elmhurst (approx. 8:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/live/xlive.htm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
WOMEN
Concordia (Wis.) vs. Concordia Moorhead (5:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/wbball/
Live Audio (CUW): http://athletics.cuw.edu/scoreboard/Basketball-VideoScoreboard2.html
UW-Whitewater vs. Simpson (5:30 PM)
Live Video: http://real.csbsju.edu/ramgen/redundant/csbsports/live.rm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWW): http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
Live Stats: http://sidearmstats.com/sju/mbball/xlive.htm
UW-Eau Claire vs. DePauw (6:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/live/Basketball/xlive.htm
Live Audio (DEP): http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/listen.asp
Live Audio (UWEC): http://www.sportsradio1400.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st
UW-Stevens Point vs. Maryville (approx. 7:00 PM)
Live Audio (UWSP): http://radio.securenetsystems.net//radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WSPT
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/wbball/
Ripon vs. St. Benedict (approx. 7:30 PM)
Live Audio (CSB): http://www.csbblazers.com/sports/2009/3/4/GEN_0304093731.aspx?id=455
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Stats: http://sidearmstats.com/sju/mbball/xlive.htm
MEN
UW-Platteville vs. Hope (6:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/wheaton/wbball/
Live Video: http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/
Live Audio (UWP): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/stream/index.html
UW-Stevens Point vs. Cornell (6:00 PM)
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWSP): http://www.b1049.com/
Live Video: http://www.mnsportsnetwork.com/
Live In-game blog: http://www.tommiesports.com/
Lawrence vs. Washington Univ. (6:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/live/xlive.htm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
UW-Whitewater vs. Elmhurst (approx. 8:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/live/xlive.htm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
WOMEN
Concordia (Wis.) vs. Concordia Moorhead (5:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/wbball/
Live Audio (CUW): http://athletics.cuw.edu/scoreboard/Basketball-VideoScoreboard2.html
UW-Whitewater vs. Simpson (5:30 PM)
Live Video: http://real.csbsju.edu/ramgen/redundant/csbsports/live.rm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWW): http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
Live Stats: http://sidearmstats.com/sju/mbball/xlive.htm
UW-Eau Claire vs. DePauw (6:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/live/Basketball/xlive.htm
Live Audio (DEP): http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/listen.asp
Live Audio (UWEC): http://www.sportsradio1400.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st
UW-Stevens Point vs. Maryville (approx. 7:00 PM)
Live Audio (UWSP): http://radio.securenetsystems.net//radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WSPT
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/wbball/
Ripon vs. St. Benedict (approx. 7:30 PM)
Live Audio (CSB): http://www.csbblazers.com/sports/2009/3/4/GEN_0304093731.aspx?id=455
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Stats: http://sidearmstats.com/sju/mbball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
UWW game has video. Go to scoreboard page and get the link by their game. I'm not getting any audio and their is recording info on the video, but still, its video.
Tied 5-5 early on
Tied 5-5 early on
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 06:49:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 06:49:08 PM
WE now have audio.
UWW up 9-7. Both teams with a lot of turnovers and poor shooting
UWW up 9-7. Both teams with a lot of turnovers and poor shooting
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
I updated my list with the UWW video link. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:01:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:01:03 PM
UWW up 14-5, both teams under 25% shooting
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:16:40 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:16:40 PM
EC up 15-5
UWW up at the half, 28-18
UWW up at the half, 28-18
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
EC now tied with DePauw. EC going cold, and Depauw is hitting 3s.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:44:46 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:44:46 PM
EC up 28-22 at the half.
UWW up 44-34 with 15min left
UWW up 44-34 with 15min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
UWW up 52-43, 10min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
Slipping away?
WW 54 - Sim 51 5:29
WW 54 - Sim 51 5:29
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 08:08:27 PM
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 08:08:27 PM
Making a run...
WW 60 - Sim 51 4:06
WW 60 - Sim 51 4:06
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
UWW sealing it with free throws.. 68-57 with 15 second to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 08:24:59 PM
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 08:24:59 PM
Final 69-59 WW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:26:13 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:26:13 PM
EC 51-38 with 6:00 to go.
Point-Maryville underway... 8-5 Pointers.
Point-Maryville underway... 8-5 Pointers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
EC by 10 with 3:26 to go 51-41
Point sticking it to Maryville 20-5 with 13:11 to go in the first.
Point sticking it to Maryville 20-5 with 13:11 to go in the first.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:43:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:43:52 PM
EC closes out DePauw 62-50
Point up 26-16 with 6:58 to go in the first.
Point up 26-16 with 6:58 to go in the first.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:57:52 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 08:57:52 PM
Point up 41-24 at the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 09:07:33 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 09:07:33 PM
Good game for EC today. Heidi A did the damage in the 1st half, and Mesick picked it up in the 2nd. They probably will end up facing IWU, the undefeated and #1 team in the nation tomorrow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
Maryville trying to make a run. 64-56 Pointers with 5:55 to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
Point looks like they are going to hold on 70-59 with 2:13 to play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 10:02:13 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 10:02:13 PM
Point wins 77-62. Will face Concordia Wisconsin tomorrow for berth in Sectionals.
WIAC goes 3-0 on the first day of the tourney!
WIAC goes 3-0 on the first day of the tourney!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:17:31 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:17:31 PM
WIAC men & women go 6-0 in round #1. Only one of the teams (Point women) had a home game. Some tough ones tomorrow though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
Saturday's Second Round Games:
MEN:
UW-Stevens Point at St. Thomas (7:00 PM)
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWSP): http://www.b1049.com/
Live Video: http://www.mnsportsnetwork.com/
Live In-game blog: http://www.tommiesports.com/
UW-Platteville at Wheaton (7:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/wheaton/wbball/
Live Video: http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/
Live Audio (UWP): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/stream/index.html
UW-Whitewater vs. Washington Univ. (7:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/live/xlive.htm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWW): http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
WOMEN:
UW-Whitewater at St. Benedict (7:30 PM)
Live Stats: http://sidearmstats.com/sju/mbball/xlive.htm
Live Audio (UWW): http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Concordia Wisconsin at UW-Stevens Point (7:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/wbball/
Live Audio (CUW): http://athletics.cuw.edu/scoreboard/Basketball-VideoScoreboard2.html
Live Audio (UWSP): http://radio.securenetsystems.net//radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WSPT
UW-Eau Claire at Illinois Wesleyan (7:00 PM)
Live Audio (UWEC): http://www.sportsradio1400.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st
Live Stats: http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/live/Basketball/xlive.htm
Live Video: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwu_basketball
MEN:
UW-Stevens Point at St. Thomas (7:00 PM)
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWSP): http://www.b1049.com/
Live Video: http://www.mnsportsnetwork.com/
Live In-game blog: http://www.tommiesports.com/
UW-Platteville at Wheaton (7:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/wheaton/wbball/
Live Video: http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/
Live Audio (UWP): http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/stream/index.html
UW-Whitewater vs. Washington Univ. (7:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/live/xlive.htm
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Live Audio (UWW): http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
WOMEN:
UW-Whitewater at St. Benedict (7:30 PM)
Live Stats: http://sidearmstats.com/sju/mbball/xlive.htm
Live Audio (UWW): http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/gen/2007/followthewarhawks_09202007.asp
Live Audio (D3Hoops.com): http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Concordia Wisconsin at UW-Stevens Point (7:00 PM)
Live Stats: http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/wbball/
Live Audio (CUW): http://athletics.cuw.edu/scoreboard/Basketball-VideoScoreboard2.html
Live Audio (UWSP): http://radio.securenetsystems.net//radio_player_large.cfm?stationCallSign=WSPT
UW-Eau Claire at Illinois Wesleyan (7:00 PM)
Live Audio (UWEC): http://www.sportsradio1400.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st
Live Stats: http://www.iwu.edu/~iwunews/sports/live/Basketball/xlive.htm
Live Video: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwu_basketball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
Bill,
I got the UWW/St Bens game occurring at 7:30 PM tomorrow.
Doesn't it suck that almost all of those games will be going on at the same time tomorrow?
I got the UWW/St Bens game occurring at 7:30 PM tomorrow.
Doesn't it suck that almost all of those games will be going on at the same time tomorrow?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 11:58:53 PM
Post by: BoBo on March 06, 2009, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
Doesn't it suck that almost all of those games will be going on at the same time tomorrow?
That's what you call tournament time!! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2009, 12:17:54 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2009, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: buf on March 06, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
Bill,
I got the UWW/St Bens game occurring at 7:30 PM tomorrow.
Doesn't it suck that almost all of those games will be going on at the same time tomorrow?
Fixed. Must be that new Minnesota time zone.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
IWU up 38-32 at the half. They did have a 13pt lead but EC quickly widdled it down to 6. IWU was scorching hot from 3-land in the middle part of the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 08:52:11 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 08:52:11 PM
Point up 45-28 early in the 2nd half.
UWW up 21-19 with 9min 1st half
UWW up 21-19 with 9min 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 09:03:39 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 09:03:39 PM
EC down by 4. They had it within 2 but IWU scored on a putback. 16min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
EC ends up losing 80-63. It was about a 10 point IWU lead for the last 12min of the game until pulling away at the end.
Point wins 78-58.
UWW down 6 with 5min to go.
Point wins 78-58.
UWW down 6 with 5min to go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:24:44 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:24:44 PM
UWW loses to St. Bens. I thought UWW would have a good shot at this one. Not surprised that they lost but I thought they may be slightly favored. Its been kind of a disappointing season for UWW (at least in my eyes). Coming into the season I thought they would be a serious threat for the national championship.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 07, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
Post by: JMM on March 07, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
2009-2010 = the year of Plendil and Messick and Linder.
Thank you Archie, Heather, Pam, A.A. (our favorite) and Missy your are WONDERFUL! It has been a grand 4 years! There's no place like Zorn! MY eyes have tears.
Thank you Archie, Heather, Pam, A.A. (our favorite) and Missy your are WONDERFUL! It has been a grand 4 years! There's no place like Zorn! MY eyes have tears.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:44:06 PM
Post by: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 07, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
2009-2010 = the year of Plendil and Messick and Linder.
Thank you Archie, Heather, Pam, A.A. (our favorite) and Missy your are WONDERFUL! It has been a grand 4 years! There's no place like Zorn! MY eyes have tears.
Yes, great careers by the seniors. Got back to the national tourney last season and repeated it this season as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: iwu70 on March 07, 2009, 11:01:28 PM
Post by: iwu70 on March 07, 2009, 11:01:28 PM
Congrats to the WAIC women's teams on strong seasons. Good programs all and excellent games in the national tourney.
IWU vs. SP should be a final four quality match-up. Too bad they have to meet in the Sweet 16. Men's "bracket of death" is the same -- too many good programs all bunched in the Midwest.
Good wishes to all the seniors finishing up their basketball careers.
IWU vs. SP should be a final four quality match-up. Too bad they have to meet in the Sweet 16. Men's "bracket of death" is the same -- too many good programs all bunched in the Midwest.
Good wishes to all the seniors finishing up their basketball careers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 08, 2009, 10:33:51 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 08, 2009, 10:33:51 AM
Geographically, UWSP would be the favorite to host the Sectional. All three opponents can bus to Stevens Point, while St. Ben's would have to fly to either IWU or Wash. U.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 08, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
I guess they'd rather give IWU the advantage of home court and spend the money to fly St Bens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 08, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 08, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
Although I'd love to see UWSP host, I'm glad the NCAA is doing what's right competitively and favoring the higher seed. Maybe the men's committee should take a lesson.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 08, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on March 08, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
The UW-W - CSB battle last night was a great one to watch (naturally I'm happy being a MIAC guy). CSB's Ariel Tauer was a HUGE reason why the Blazers were able to outlast UW-W down the stretch; she simply refused to let her team lose last night.
I was quite impressed with UW-W as they had a great season and naturally it's hard to see it all come to an end. Good size coupled with the speed they have obviously made this a tough team to beat. I was a little surprised at the lack of composure that was displayed by the UW-W freshman player (#43 Chantel Burg I think it was) who drew a technical after being called for fouling Tauer - and subsequently slapping both of her hands on the floor (after being warned about it previously!). While I don't think it changed the complexion of the game that much, it certainly didn't help the Warhawks cause.
FWIW, this battle was a fun one to watch and I wish there could be more MIAC vs. WIAC clashes in the future.
I was quite impressed with UW-W as they had a great season and naturally it's hard to see it all come to an end. Good size coupled with the speed they have obviously made this a tough team to beat. I was a little surprised at the lack of composure that was displayed by the UW-W freshman player (#43 Chantel Burg I think it was) who drew a technical after being called for fouling Tauer - and subsequently slapping both of her hands on the floor (after being warned about it previously!). While I don't think it changed the complexion of the game that much, it certainly didn't help the Warhawks cause.
FWIW, this battle was a fun one to watch and I wish there could be more MIAC vs. WIAC clashes in the future.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 08, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
Quote from: buf on March 07, 2009, 10:24:44 PM
UWW loses to St. Bens. I thought UWW would have a good shot at this one. Not surprised that they lost but I thought they may be slightly favored. Its been kind of a disappointing season for UWW (at least in my eyes). Coming into the season I thought they would be a serious threat for the national championship.
Hard to call a team a dissappointment after finishing 23-5 in one of the toughest conferences in the nation. A number #1 ranking coming into the season is more of a burden than positive as the expectations usually get too high. WW had a very good season. For some reason, they just couldn't find the leadership that Thill and Buechner had for them last year. Those two just refused to let their team lose.
I am not sure what happened to Burg other than what was posted on here. I know she had a game this year when her emotions got the better of her. Chalk it up to a freshman mistake I guess. What really hurt was that the "T" caused her to foul out with 10 minutes left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 08, 2009, 10:34:42 PM
Post by: buf on March 08, 2009, 10:34:42 PM
Perhaps "disappointing" was the wrong term here. I just thought UWW would do better this season than they did.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 09:57:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 09:57:34 PM
I know nothing about UWSP except that they will be the toughest opponent IWU has faced (at least since Wash U in the second game of the season - who will likely be the next opponent of the winner). Do the Pointers go mainly by size or speed (or both :o)? Defensive-minded or up-tempo? Main weapons? Thanks for any insights you could give.
Since I'm in Michigan and haven't seen the Titans this year, I can't return the favor. But I'm sure Hoosier Titan (or someone) would be willing to swap insights.
Since I'm in Michigan and haven't seen the Titans this year, I can't return the favor. But I'm sure Hoosier Titan (or someone) would be willing to swap insights.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 09, 2009, 10:01:09 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 09, 2009, 10:01:09 PM
Oh, I just gave you my best answer over on the CCIW board, but I will re-post it here too.
UWSP has a history of outstanding post players, but this team has been an exception to that tradition. They have good post players but their strength is in their guards (and their post players who step out and act like guards). They take a lot of stuff off the dribble and are very quick. They don't full court press per se, but they almost always pick up the point guard for the length of the floor.
Their biggest strength this year is their balance. They've had games where they score 80 points and nobody has more than 12. They've had 8 different players lead the team in scoring at least once this year. The kid who led them in scoring in the second round game (Flease) had never been their leading scorer all season until that game. It's not possible to key on just 1 or 2 kids with them.
If any other WIAC fans, feel like I've missed something feel free to add or correct me.
UWSP has a history of outstanding post players, but this team has been an exception to that tradition. They have good post players but their strength is in their guards (and their post players who step out and act like guards). They take a lot of stuff off the dribble and are very quick. They don't full court press per se, but they almost always pick up the point guard for the length of the floor.
Their biggest strength this year is their balance. They've had games where they score 80 points and nobody has more than 12. They've had 8 different players lead the team in scoring at least once this year. The kid who led them in scoring in the second round game (Flease) had never been their leading scorer all season until that game. It's not possible to key on just 1 or 2 kids with them.
If any other WIAC fans, feel like I've missed something feel free to add or correct me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 09, 2009, 10:01:09 PM
Oh, I just gave you my best answer over on the CCIW board, but I will re-post it here too.
UWSP has a history of outstanding post players, but this team has been an exception to that tradition. They have good post players but their strength is in their guards (and their post players who step out and act like guards). They take a lot of stuff off the dribble and are very quick. They don't full court press per se, but they almost always pick up the point guard for the length of the floor.
Their biggest strength this year is their balance. They've had games where they score 80 points and nobody has more than 12. They've had 8 different players lead the team in scoring at least once this year. The kid who led them in scoring in the second round game (Flease) had never been their leading scorer all season until that game. It's not possible to key on just 1 or 2 kids with them.
If any other WIAC fans, feel like I've missed something feel free to add or correct me.
While, as I said, I haven't seen the Titans this year, from my understanding you have just described them! Their starting guards (Heydorn at point, Sheehan at 2) will both get at least some AA attention; their main inside force (Solari) just might make POY, but also shoots 3's. And while I haven't counted it up, it wouldn't surprise me if 6-7 different players have been top scorer - they're very deep.
Maybe there are some significant differences I'm unaware of (not having seen either team), but it sounds like each team will be looking into a mirror when they play! May the better team (as long as it is the Titans ;D) win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Titan Q on March 09, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Post by: Titan Q on March 09, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 10:37:36 PMtheir main inside force (Solari) just might make POY, but also shoots 3's.
Christina Solari has one 3-point FGA on the entire season, Chuck.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 09, 2009, 10:45:33 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2009, 10:37:36 PMtheir main inside force (Solari) just might make POY, but also shoots 3's.
Christina Solari has one 3-point FGA on the entire season, Chuck.
Q is right. Serves me right for going on 'memory' rather than checking. Not sure what I was confusing it with, but I coulda sworn Christina dropped bombs fairly frequently - and I can't find any other Titan inside presence who shoots 3's either. :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 09, 2009, 11:14:56 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 09, 2009, 11:14:56 PM
Sounds like it is going to be a great match-up. I have heard many good things about the Shirk. Obviously is top notch to be hosting the Final Four next season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on March 13, 2009, 04:04:31 PM
Post by: bgbacker on March 13, 2009, 04:04:31 PM
The Sherk Center is an absolutely tremendous facility. It is also the "House That Beer Nuts Built." Russell Sherk (IWU Class of '43) founded Beer Nuts Inc. Thus, I figure we in Wisconsin should own at least one wall!
They certainly deserve to host any level of tournament there, although I'm hoping UW-Eau Claire earns a chance to host again in the next couple of years. There is still no atmosphere that tops Zorn Arena when it's rocking!
They certainly deserve to host any level of tournament there, although I'm hoping UW-Eau Claire earns a chance to host again in the next couple of years. There is still no atmosphere that tops Zorn Arena when it's rocking!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 13, 2009, 09:36:49 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 13, 2009, 09:36:49 PM
IWU up 8 at the half. 36-28.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 13, 2009, 10:37:37 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 13, 2009, 10:37:37 PM
IWU holds off Point 77-64. The Titans simply had an answer everytime Point gathered any kind of momentum. Congrats Point on an excellent season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2009, 10:47:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2009, 10:47:29 PM
Congratulations to UWSP for an outstanding season. I was nervous right up to about 2 minutes to go, but the Titans seem to be a legitimate #1. After consecutive double-digits wins over WW and SP (and having already beaten Wash U IN St. L. back in November), I'm now (cautiously) optimistic about winning the whole thing.
Please forgive my exuberance. The CCIW is used to going toe-to-toe against the WIAC in men's bball, but (aside from Millikin's dream run a few years ago) we've never been much good in women's bball. :o :)
Please forgive my exuberance. The CCIW is used to going toe-to-toe against the WIAC in men's bball, but (aside from Millikin's dream run a few years ago) we've never been much good in women's bball. :o :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BruinFan on March 14, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
Post by: BruinFan on March 14, 2009, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: shootfromthearc on March 14, 2009, 04:28:22 AMWith out taking anything away at all from the IWU sectional, please notice that at the Thomas More sectional the #2,#3,#5, and #7 ranked D3hoops teams were together. I think the winner of tonight's Hope/George Fox game will represent well in the Final 4.
The other brackets proved to be a fluke and I don't think I'm alone when I say the championship is tomorrow night with Wash U and IWU. Winner walks to the title, period.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RogK on March 14, 2009, 10:52:10 AM
Post by: RogK on March 14, 2009, 10:52:10 AM
Hello from a regular over on the CCIW page.
Congratulations to UWSP for a fine season. I hadn't seen them until last night, but it was clear that they're a strong, talented team. They gave IWU a pretty good battle.
I was particularly impressed by Katie Webber : she's a marvelous athlete, a tireless runner, excellent dribbler, sharp passer and energetic defender. Her only flaw last night was that she probably should have shot more.
You Point fans can be proud of her and her teammates.
Congratulations to UWSP for a fine season. I hadn't seen them until last night, but it was clear that they're a strong, talented team. They gave IWU a pretty good battle.
I was particularly impressed by Katie Webber : she's a marvelous athlete, a tireless runner, excellent dribbler, sharp passer and energetic defender. Her only flaw last night was that she probably should have shot more.
You Point fans can be proud of her and her teammates.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
Julia Hurssig, MacKenzie Hunter and Tiffany Morton have all been named to the DIII Region 7 All District team by the Women Basketball Coaches Association. As such the four players are finalists to be named to the 10 member WBCA's All American team which will be announced 3/19.
http://www.wbca.org/Releases/SFCAATFinalistsDIII09.html
Congrats
http://www.wbca.org/Releases/SFCAATFinalistsDIII09.html
Congrats
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BruinFan on March 21, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
Post by: BruinFan on March 21, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: BruinFan on March 14, 2009, 10:06:57 AMQuote from: shootfromthearc on March 14, 2009, 04:28:22 AMWith out taking anything away at all from the IWU sectional, please notice that at the Thomas More sectional the #2,#3,#5, and #7 ranked D3hoops teams were together. I think the winner of tonight's Hope/George Fox game will represent well in the Final 4.
The other brackets proved to be a fluke and I don't think I'm alone when I say the championship is tomorrow night with Wash U and IWU. Winner walks to the title, period.
Congratulations George Fox on your national championship.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 24, 2009, 01:37:10 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 24, 2009, 01:37:10 PM
Final Rankings:
UW-SP #7
UW-EC #15
UW-W #17
Already excited about next year. Looks like on paper that Stout is going to be returning a lot. SP will return Petersen and were very deep this year. EC could be hurting losing both starting guards, but I expect them to have people ready to step up. I assume WW will slip Burg and Thompson into their post and do just fine with Hendrickson and Sontagg. RF should also be a very improved team as well as those young girls are going to be a year older.
Might be a tough year for LX. They depended so much on Hunter and Wahl, but they always seem to have a very good class coming in.
Anyone have any info on recruiting classes? Most get finalized in the next couple weeks.
UW-SP #7
UW-EC #15
UW-W #17
Already excited about next year. Looks like on paper that Stout is going to be returning a lot. SP will return Petersen and were very deep this year. EC could be hurting losing both starting guards, but I expect them to have people ready to step up. I assume WW will slip Burg and Thompson into their post and do just fine with Hendrickson and Sontagg. RF should also be a very improved team as well as those young girls are going to be a year older.
Might be a tough year for LX. They depended so much on Hunter and Wahl, but they always seem to have a very good class coming in.
Anyone have any info on recruiting classes? Most get finalized in the next couple weeks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 24, 2009, 04:06:41 PM
Post by: billys on March 24, 2009, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 24, 2009, 01:37:10 PMI agree with your first paragraph. RF should be interesting. I think they're adding the younger Gregorich. It's tough to get through those top four though.
Final Rankings:
UW-SP #7
UW-EC #15
UW-W #17
Already excited about next year. Looks like on paper that Stout is going to be returning a lot. SP will return Petersen and were very deep this year. EC could be hurting losing both starting guards, but I expect them to have people ready to step up. I assume WW will slip Burg and Thompson into their post and do just fine with Hendrickson and Sontagg. RF should also be a very improved team as well as those young girls are going to be a year older.
Might be a tough year for LX. They depended so much on Hunter and Wahl, but they always seem to have a very good class coming in.
Anyone have any info on recruiting classes? Most get finalized in the next couple weeks.
WW should be fine. Have heard they've got some decent kids coming but don't know who. EC always has a good class.
La Crosse? Not sure why you say that the always seem to have a good class coming in. The fact they don't is why they'll probably struggle mightily next year.
It'll be interesting to see who's there for Oshkosh next year. If everyone comes back they're all a year older and they have some decent kids. Or do a bunch quit and they bring in a lot of new freshmen again?
I'll be curious to see who schools add as well. It usually seems like recruiting classes come in late April/early May. I think I saw a Glodowski girl at the state tournament, Claire, was going to UWSP; sorry if that's been mentioned here before.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 24, 2009, 09:06:01 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 24, 2009, 09:06:01 PM
I just thought that Coach Herron was one of the best recruiters in the conference. I could be wrong.
The thing about Oshkosh is that Coach Ruder left that program in very tough shape when she took another job. When Schumacher took over it had four very good seniors, and 1 good sophomore and 1 good junior. Other than that it was pretty bare. I believe her first class had a stud in it, but she decided that college basketball wasn't for her. I expect her to get some kids in there pretty soon that stick with her program.
The thing about Oshkosh is that Coach Ruder left that program in very tough shape when she took another job. When Schumacher took over it had four very good seniors, and 1 good sophomore and 1 good junior. Other than that it was pretty bare. I believe her first class had a stud in it, but she decided that college basketball wasn't for her. I expect her to get some kids in there pretty soon that stick with her program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Old Pro on May 19, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
Post by: Old Pro on May 19, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
I just have a question? Why is UW-Superior always struggling? I realize the WIAC is a tremendous conference. However, it seems as if they don't really compete in the conference and have lost a lot of games over the years. I know that they have had some pretty strong candidates apply in years past, yet they cant seem to get it right! I realize that this years roster is very young so maybe, in time, they will turn it around. It's just frustrating!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on May 19, 2009, 11:04:09 PM
Post by: buf on May 19, 2009, 11:04:09 PM
I would say that Superior is the toughest place to recruit in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on May 20, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Post by: jam8788 on May 20, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
And the fact that they've had the most second most number of head coachign changes in the last 20 years doesn't help either. Superior's had 5 coaching changes since '90 and Platteville's had 6 coaching changes. In a strong leaugue like the WIAC, the best teams have the longest tenured coaches.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Old Pro on May 20, 2009, 08:42:41 PM
Post by: Old Pro on May 20, 2009, 08:42:41 PM
You are right! You cant build something if your always making changes. However, you need to get the best candidate in there that will do the job. Since it was brought up, what's the deal with UW-Platteville? Will there be achange at Head Coach there anytime soon if they continue like this?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on May 29, 2009, 10:25:28 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on May 29, 2009, 10:25:28 PM
Superior didn't take coaching (women's basketball) seriously until Mulhern was hired. All the focus was on men's hockey. Before him, Soup women had an assistant HS coach fill in after UWS fired the long-time coach, Sandy Eilertsen. Before games, she was setting up concessions, as I recall; summers, she was on the grounds crew. Doesn't allow much focus. Anyway, Mulhern was hired to coach women, Buchanan to coach men in the same year. Mulhern recruits a particular type--leans toward women with a strong 'Christian' ethic: no drinking, no swearing, no questioning the coach. I think he had a good group of players last year, but they were young. The problem is that he cuts strong players when they get frustrated--frustration sometimes leads to questioning the methods--and UWS women's basketball creates a lot of frustration. I hope next season proves to be the turning point for the women. Some experience, some talent, more wins.
Mulhern recruits heavily; he travels a lot and covers a broad Minnesota area. He has been provided recruiting opportunities I dont think Eilertsen had. UWS may be in the middle of nowhere, but there are some great programs here, and for northern WI and MN kids, it isn't too far from home.
UWS also has a good assistant coach. The coaching finesse Mulhern lacks, the assistant has. He stays calm and on task. I think Mulhern tends to get crazy on the sidelines. IMHO, tossing Mulhern from the game is quite frankly the best thing that can happen in some games. He rants and screeches while the assistant directs. Mulhern might be good at recruiting, but as a game-time coach, he is sometimes more distracting than helpful. Too much redirecting mid-play.
I have hope for women's basketball. I've been carrying that hope for a couple of seasons now. Maybe this next year, I'll get some relief.
Mulhern recruits heavily; he travels a lot and covers a broad Minnesota area. He has been provided recruiting opportunities I dont think Eilertsen had. UWS may be in the middle of nowhere, but there are some great programs here, and for northern WI and MN kids, it isn't too far from home.
UWS also has a good assistant coach. The coaching finesse Mulhern lacks, the assistant has. He stays calm and on task. I think Mulhern tends to get crazy on the sidelines. IMHO, tossing Mulhern from the game is quite frankly the best thing that can happen in some games. He rants and screeches while the assistant directs. Mulhern might be good at recruiting, but as a game-time coach, he is sometimes more distracting than helpful. Too much redirecting mid-play.
I have hope for women's basketball. I've been carrying that hope for a couple of seasons now. Maybe this next year, I'll get some relief.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 30, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 30, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
The reciprosity Superior has with every state in the country should help them bring in out of state athletes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on June 02, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on June 02, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
I think we hashed this reciprocity thing out a while ago and, in my memory, determined Superior has the same that Whitewater has. The difference? You guys get to troll for Illinois players and we go after Minnesota.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on June 04, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Post by: bulk19 on June 04, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Lady Blugolds second, and WIAC tops, in D3 2008-09 attendance...
UWEC averaged 1,055 fans per game. Two Michigan schools, Hope College (with 1,269) and Calvin (at 1,053), were 1 and 3...
As a conference, WIAC led with an average of 501 fans attending 108 games. The American Southwest Conference was second with 454 spectators per game.
UWEC averaged 1,055 fans per game. Two Michigan schools, Hope College (with 1,269) and Calvin (at 1,053), were 1 and 3...
As a conference, WIAC led with an average of 501 fans attending 108 games. The American Southwest Conference was second with 454 spectators per game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 05, 2009, 01:15:28 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 05, 2009, 01:15:28 PM
Your memory fails you, Rising ;)
Not that it really matters but WHITEWATER and Superior do not have equal reciprosity with other states. All public Wisconsin universities have reciprosity with Minnesota. That's an arrangement the two states have made. WHITEWATER does not have reciprosity with Illinois or any other state. I'm in the process of clarifying what Superior's arrangements are but the last time I was aware of them they were able to admit students from any state at in-state resident's tuition. Perhaps that has changed though given Superior's enrollment I kind of doubt it.
Ok, I have clarified it and I was correct. UW-Superior does have reciprosity with every state. They are the only school in the system with that arrangement. However I do understand that they don't have the budget to recruit nationally.
Not that it really matters but WHITEWATER and Superior do not have equal reciprosity with other states. All public Wisconsin universities have reciprosity with Minnesota. That's an arrangement the two states have made. WHITEWATER does not have reciprosity with Illinois or any other state. I'm in the process of clarifying what Superior's arrangements are but the last time I was aware of them they were able to admit students from any state at in-state resident's tuition. Perhaps that has changed though given Superior's enrollment I kind of doubt it.
Ok, I have clarified it and I was correct. UW-Superior does have reciprosity with every state. They are the only school in the system with that arrangement. However I do understand that they don't have the budget to recruit nationally.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 12, 2009, 09:42:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 12, 2009, 09:42:14 AM
Oshkosh will be getting a new assistant next season. WARHAWK assistant coach Pete VonAllen will be joining the Titan staff.
There are also rumors swirling of some D1 transfers headed the Titan's way but I don't know any of the details.
There are also rumors swirling of some D1 transfers headed the Titan's way but I don't know any of the details.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on June 15, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on June 15, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
Badgerwarhawk--
Are we talking tuition? From the UW-Superior catalog, tuition per semester is the following:
Resident (let's assume Wisconsin) $2,953.75
Minnesota resident $3,150.19
Nonresident (anyone not from Wisconsin or Minnesota, right?) $6,740.23
Residence status--Wisconsin requires payment of nonresident tuition by students who are residents of states other than Wisconsin. It does say full and partial waivers of the nonresident portion of tuition are available on a limited basis to those who qualify. Exemption can be granted to students who have been actual residents of WI for one full year before the beginning of the student's first semester, for example; or residency in the state because of employment; or if the student is in the armed forces. There are several exemptions, but all are related to having been in the state for a year before enrolling.
Where did you get your reciprocity information?
Are we talking tuition? From the UW-Superior catalog, tuition per semester is the following:
Resident (let's assume Wisconsin) $2,953.75
Minnesota resident $3,150.19
Nonresident (anyone not from Wisconsin or Minnesota, right?) $6,740.23
Residence status--Wisconsin requires payment of nonresident tuition by students who are residents of states other than Wisconsin. It does say full and partial waivers of the nonresident portion of tuition are available on a limited basis to those who qualify. Exemption can be granted to students who have been actual residents of WI for one full year before the beginning of the student's first semester, for example; or residency in the state because of employment; or if the student is in the armed forces. There are several exemptions, but all are related to having been in the state for a year before enrolling.
Where did you get your reciprocity information?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on June 16, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Post by: buf on June 16, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
UWEC's Recruits (http://www.uwec.edu/Athletics/wbkb/0809/releases/0615_3415.htm)
I don't really know anything about these players. There is only one local player and she was injured last season.
I don't really know anything about these players. There is only one local player and she was injured last season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 18, 2009, 09:49:30 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 18, 2009, 09:49:30 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on June 15, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
Badgerwarhawk--
Are we talking tuition? From the UW-Superior catalog, tuition per semester is the following:
Resident (let's assume Wisconsin) $2,953.75
Minnesota resident $3,150.19
Nonresident (anyone not from Wisconsin or Minnesota, right?) $6,740.23
Residence status--Wisconsin requires payment of nonresident tuition by students who are residents of states other than Wisconsin. It does say full and partial waivers of the nonresident portion of tuition are available on a limited basis to those who qualify. Exemption can be granted to students who have been actual residents of WI for one full year before the beginning of the student's first semester, for example; or residency in the state because of employment; or if the student is in the armed forces. There are several exemptions, but all are related to having been in the state for a year before enrolling.
Where did you get your reciprocity information?
I got my information from someone in the UW-W administration. But it obviously is contradicted by what you've posted so I will concede that I was mistaken.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on June 18, 2009, 12:07:17 PM
Post by: jam8788 on June 18, 2009, 12:07:17 PM
How often do WIAC coaches switch schools?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 18, 2009, 03:06:16 PM
Post by: billys on June 18, 2009, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on June 18, 2009, 12:07:17 PMMore specific?
How often do WIAC coaches switch schools?
Head coaches are pretty long tenured typically (other than the Superior job which has changed seemingly quite often)
Assistant coaches? Not often they go between schools. Each school has a different set-up for their assistant with different duties. Heck, some don't even have paid assistants.
With state benefits and the salary structure it's become seemingly a destination job for a lot of the head coaches.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 18, 2009, 04:04:25 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 18, 2009, 04:04:25 PM
Off the top of head, I can think of some assistants who have switched schools:
Kari Carollo (asst. at Stout to head at WW)
Kris Schoonover (asst. at Stout to asst. at OSH)
BW reported that Pete Von Allman was going from an asst. at WW to an asst. at OSH.
I'm sure there's probably a handful of people who went from a student asst. or GA at one place to an asst. spot somewhere else.
Going from Head Coach in the WIAC to another Head Coaching spot in the WIAC would be really rare (possibly even unprecedented), but assistants moving wouldn't be as unusual.
Kari Carollo (asst. at Stout to head at WW)
Kris Schoonover (asst. at Stout to asst. at OSH)
BW reported that Pete Von Allman was going from an asst. at WW to an asst. at OSH.
I'm sure there's probably a handful of people who went from a student asst. or GA at one place to an asst. spot somewhere else.
Going from Head Coach in the WIAC to another Head Coaching spot in the WIAC would be really rare (possibly even unprecedented), but assistants moving wouldn't be as unusual.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bbrady on July 02, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
Post by: bbrady on July 02, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
Oshkosh will be getting a new assistant next season. WARHAWK assistant coach Pete VonAllen will be joining the Titan staff.
That post makes me think of the question, how many teams in the WIAC have full time asst coaches as opposed to part time asst coaches. It would seem that those with full time asst coachs would have a huge advantage as those coachs would be around campus a lot more for recruiting help, meeting with players, etc. Is Coach VonAllen going to be full time with the new position. That would certainly be a huge plus for the Titans program It would be an interesting question to look at the differences between assistant coaches with regard to the men's and women's teams, also. On a different note. Janet Blair (phoenix rising) didn't your daughter, Liz Eldred attend UW Stout and UW GB. I would think, as a mom, that you would have some insight into the recruiting process and what factors (ie. tuition, geographic location etc) come into play with regard to what college to choose... Of course UWGB can offer athletic scholarships, so that could make a big difference with costs..etc
That post makes me think of the question, how many teams in the WIAC have full time asst coaches as opposed to part time asst coaches. It would seem that those with full time asst coachs would have a huge advantage as those coachs would be around campus a lot more for recruiting help, meeting with players, etc. Is Coach VonAllen going to be full time with the new position. That would certainly be a huge plus for the Titans program It would be an interesting question to look at the differences between assistant coaches with regard to the men's and women's teams, also. On a different note. Janet Blair (phoenix rising) didn't your daughter, Liz Eldred attend UW Stout and UW GB. I would think, as a mom, that you would have some insight into the recruiting process and what factors (ie. tuition, geographic location etc) come into play with regard to what college to choose... Of course UWGB can offer athletic scholarships, so that could make a big difference with costs..etc
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on July 05, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Post by: stoutguy on July 05, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: bbrady on July 02, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
Oshkosh will be getting a new assistant next season. WARHAWK assistant coach Pete VonAllen will be joining the Titan staff.
That post makes me think of the question, how many teams in the WIAC have full time asst coaches as opposed to part time asst coaches. It would seem that those with full time asst coachs would have a huge advantage as those coachs would be around campus a lot more for recruiting help, meeting with players, etc. Is Coach VonAllen going to be full time with the new position. That would certainly be a huge plus for the Titans program It would be an interesting question to look at the differences between assistant coaches with regard to the men's and women's teams, also. On a different note. Janet Blair (phoenix rising) didn't your daughter, Liz Eldred attend UW Stout and UW GB. scholarships, so tI would think, as a mom, that you would have some insight into the recruiting process and what factors (ie. tuition, geographic location cetc) come into play with regard to what college to choose... Of course UWGB can offer athletic hat ould make a big difference with costs..etc
Yea, Phoenix Rising, I would love to hear you expound a bit regarding recruiting, scholarships, etc. Talk to us
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on July 09, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Post by: jam8788 on July 09, 2009, 11:36:47 AM
Once again, Michigan Tech puts together a solid recruiting class made up of 3 Wisconsinites. That puts the total number of Wisconsonites at 11 for the entire roster. Tech continues to steal away kids that could be solid DIII players here in Wisco. Obivously it's hard for our DIII schools to compete with the scholarship opportunity at Tech, but I still maintain that the top 3 WIAC teams are more competitive than Mich Tech ever will be.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 10, 2009, 09:17:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 10, 2009, 09:17:26 AM
They may be recruiting a lot of Wisconsin players but evidently they aren't recruiting the right ones.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on July 12, 2009, 09:27:25 AM
Post by: The Champ on July 12, 2009, 09:27:25 AM
Just announced 7/10...
UW Stout Women's BB had the 25th best average GPA in DIII!
The other WI school was UWGB with a 3.317 in DI.
UW Stout Women's BB had the 25th best average GPA in DIII!
QuoteThe Blue Devils finished with a cumulative team grade point average of 3.364 to finish No. 25 among Division III programs. UW-Stout was the only Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC) team to make the list and one of two state schools to earn the award.
The other WI school was UWGB with a 3.317 in DI.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bbrady on July 14, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Post by: bbrady on July 14, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Does MI tech play many WIAC schools. It would be interesting to see how the WIAC matches up against them, or any other D2 schools for that matter. I think the WIAC has done well in the past against D2 schools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 14, 2009, 04:09:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 14, 2009, 04:09:53 PM
Michigan Tech hasn't played a WIAC school since at least the 1997-98 season and probably longer. I quit looking at that point. They have done quite well against Finlandia though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on July 14, 2009, 09:51:04 PM
Post by: billys on July 14, 2009, 09:51:04 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on July 10, 2009, 09:17:26 AMMichigan Tech went to the NCAA Elite Eight this year and is typically nationally competitive. Parkside had two great recruiting classes in a row winning 18 games a year ago (and beat the 2nd ranked team in the country) with half a roster of freshmen. Winona went to the NCAA Tournament and has a strong class of Wisconsin kids coming in.
They may be recruiting a lot of Wisconsin players but evidently they aren't recruiting the right ones.
Very few of you have any clue about Division II basketball. Don't speak about what you don't know about.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wizbegs1304 on July 15, 2009, 01:08:34 AM
Post by: wizbegs1304 on July 15, 2009, 01:08:34 AM
I am going to have to agree here...look outside the WIAC for a change and do some research
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 15, 2009, 09:32:09 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 15, 2009, 09:32:09 PM
It was meant to be a joke in response to jam's comment. Truth be told I have little interest in the athletic programs at Michigan Tech.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 17, 2009, 10:14:46 PM
Post by: buf on July 17, 2009, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: bbrady on July 14, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Does MI tech play many WIAC schools. It would be interesting to see how the WIAC matches up against them, or any other D2 schools for that matter. I think the WIAC has done well in the past against D2 schools.
UWEC has fared well lately:
2-seasons ago, UWEC wins against D2 St. Cloud St, 86-78
This past season, UWEC wins at D2 Duluth, 67-52
This past season, UWEC wins at D1 South Dakota, 62-50
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2009, 11:56:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2009, 11:56:55 AM
UW-Oshkosh announces recruits....
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1045793
UW-EauClaire announces recruits....
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1043126
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1045793
UW-EauClaire announces recruits....
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1043126
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on July 20, 2009, 01:22:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on July 20, 2009, 01:22:29 PM
UWSP's class is in these two releases:
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2009/6/16/WBB_0616092822.aspx?path=wbball
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2009/7/1/WBB_0701093313.aspx?path=wbball
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2009/6/16/WBB_0616092822.aspx?path=wbball
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2009/7/1/WBB_0701093313.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on July 23, 2009, 10:30:45 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on July 23, 2009, 10:30:45 AM
Re: recruiting practices.
I'm probably not the best person to ask. Elisabeth wasn't that heavily recruited; everyone was looking at Jolene Anderson at the time (but wouldn't you think a coach watching a player who's two assists shy of a quadruple double against Jolene would take some notice?). Elisabeth's high school team had just completed half its season, going undefeated and finally getting ranking in the state, when she tore her ACL (the night T came scouting, as a matter of fact). She got calls from a couple of junior colleges and Northland; she'd had some letters from other schools that she never followed up on. In the end, Mark Thomas was the persistent one. If it hadn't been for him, I don't know if she would have gone on to school at that time. She was pretty blown away by the injury--physically, emotionally, mentally. I credit Mark's continued interest in her--even going so far as to send all the forms she needed to apply to Stout--to keeping her head above water. I think, in the end, a senior in high school is going to be most influenced by the coach that makes regular contact and takes the extra time to help wade through the paperwork and planning. The hand-holding definitely was a plus for us. She also knew a player on the team, and that was nice. T was paying enough attention that he sent a get well card, signed by the team, after the (first) surgery. It impressed her; it impressed us. He did everything right, in my mind.
I can say with a great deal of certainty, if a coach makes an appointment to talk to a player and shows up 15-30 minutes late, he or she is likely not really interested in the player. Beware; something else is going on, no matter what kind of excuse the coach gives.
Scholarships. What scholarships?
I'm probably not the best person to ask. Elisabeth wasn't that heavily recruited; everyone was looking at Jolene Anderson at the time (but wouldn't you think a coach watching a player who's two assists shy of a quadruple double against Jolene would take some notice?). Elisabeth's high school team had just completed half its season, going undefeated and finally getting ranking in the state, when she tore her ACL (the night T came scouting, as a matter of fact). She got calls from a couple of junior colleges and Northland; she'd had some letters from other schools that she never followed up on. In the end, Mark Thomas was the persistent one. If it hadn't been for him, I don't know if she would have gone on to school at that time. She was pretty blown away by the injury--physically, emotionally, mentally. I credit Mark's continued interest in her--even going so far as to send all the forms she needed to apply to Stout--to keeping her head above water. I think, in the end, a senior in high school is going to be most influenced by the coach that makes regular contact and takes the extra time to help wade through the paperwork and planning. The hand-holding definitely was a plus for us. She also knew a player on the team, and that was nice. T was paying enough attention that he sent a get well card, signed by the team, after the (first) surgery. It impressed her; it impressed us. He did everything right, in my mind.
I can say with a great deal of certainty, if a coach makes an appointment to talk to a player and shows up 15-30 minutes late, he or she is likely not really interested in the player. Beware; something else is going on, no matter what kind of excuse the coach gives.
Scholarships. What scholarships?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on July 27, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
Post by: The Champ on July 27, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
2009-10 UW-Stout Women's Basketball Recruiting Class
Kayla Crowley, G, 5-6, Fr, Oregon
Kayla Windt, G, 5-8, Fr, Hurley
Kimmy Keehr, G, 5-5, Fr, Spring Valley
Tori Sandstrom, G/F, 5-9, Fr, Cary, Ill.
Amanda Daleiden, G, 5-6, Fr, Plum City
Jesse Smith, G, 5-6, Fr, Onlaska
Miranda Speckel, G, 5-7, Fr, Buffalo, Minn.
Lauren Demski, G, 5-4, Fr, Waukesha (West)
Kayla Hennig, G, 5-9, Fr, Two Rivers (Mishicot)
Brittany Meyers, G, 5-8, Fr, Glenwood City
Amy Van Hulzen, F, 5-10, Fr, Brooklyn Park, Minn.
Lizzy Slovensky, F, 6-0, Fr, Wisconsin Rapids (Assumption)
Carlyse Fuhrer, F, 5-11, Fr, Kenosha (Bradford)
http://www3.uwstout.edu/athletics/game_story.cfm?customel_datapageid_39030=180525
Kayla Crowley, G, 5-6, Fr, Oregon
Kayla Windt, G, 5-8, Fr, Hurley
Kimmy Keehr, G, 5-5, Fr, Spring Valley
Tori Sandstrom, G/F, 5-9, Fr, Cary, Ill.
Amanda Daleiden, G, 5-6, Fr, Plum City
Jesse Smith, G, 5-6, Fr, Onlaska
Miranda Speckel, G, 5-7, Fr, Buffalo, Minn.
Lauren Demski, G, 5-4, Fr, Waukesha (West)
Kayla Hennig, G, 5-9, Fr, Two Rivers (Mishicot)
Brittany Meyers, G, 5-8, Fr, Glenwood City
Amy Van Hulzen, F, 5-10, Fr, Brooklyn Park, Minn.
Lizzy Slovensky, F, 6-0, Fr, Wisconsin Rapids (Assumption)
Carlyse Fuhrer, F, 5-11, Fr, Kenosha (Bradford)
http://www3.uwstout.edu/athletics/game_story.cfm?customel_datapageid_39030=180525
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on July 29, 2009, 11:23:57 PM
Post by: buf on July 29, 2009, 11:23:57 PM
Quote from: The Champ on July 27, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
2009-10 UW-Stout Women's Basketball Recruiting Class
Kayla Crowley, G, 5-6, Fr, Oregon
Kayla Windt, G, 5-8, Fr, Hurley
Kimmy Keehr, G, 5-5, Fr, Spring Valley
Tori Sandstrom, G/F, 5-9, Fr, Cary, Ill.
Amanda Daleiden, G, 5-6, Fr, Plum City
Jesse Smith, G, 5-6, Fr, Onlaska
Miranda Speckel, G, 5-7, Fr, Buffalo, Minn.
Lauren Demski, G, 5-4, Fr, Waukesha (West)
Kayla Hennig, G, 5-9, Fr, Two Rivers (Mishicot)
Brittany Meyers, G, 5-8, Fr, Glenwood City
Amy Van Hulzen, F, 5-10, Fr, Brooklyn Park, Minn.
Lizzy Slovensky, F, 6-0, Fr, Wisconsin Rapids (Assumption)
Carlyse Fuhrer, F, 5-11, Fr, Kenosha (Bradford)
http://www3.uwstout.edu/athletics/game_story.cfm?customel_datapageid_39030=180525
I'm waiting for a "Voice of the Titans" remark on this one! :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 30, 2009, 11:29:54 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 30, 2009, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: The Champ on July 27, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
2009-10 UW-Stout Women's Basketball Recruiting Class
Kayla Crowley, G, 5-6, Fr, Oregon
Kayla Windt, G, 5-8, Fr, Hurley
Kimmy Keehr, G, 5-5, Fr, Spring Valley
Tori Sandstrom, G/F, 5-9, Fr, Cary, Ill.
Amanda Daleiden, G, 5-6, Fr, Plum City
Jesse Smith, G, 5-6, Fr, Onlaska
Miranda Speckel, G, 5-7, Fr, Buffalo, Minn.
Lauren Demski, G, 5-4, Fr, Waukesha (West)
Kayla Hennig, G, 5-9, Fr, Two Rivers (Mishicot)
Brittany Meyers, G, 5-8, Fr, Glenwood City
Amy Van Hulzen, F, 5-10, Fr, Brooklyn Park, Minn.
Lizzy Slovensky, F, 6-0, Fr, Wisconsin Rapids (Assumption)
Carlyse Fuhrer, F, 5-11, Fr, Kenosha (Bradford)
http://www3.uwstout.edu/athletics/game_story.cfm?customel_datapageid_39030=180525
It looks like Mark has taken a page out of Eddie's book. ;)
Will you have enough uniforms? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on July 30, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
Post by: The Champ on July 30, 2009, 02:33:39 PM
Smaller than normal recruiting class last year, coupled with some graduations, required an influx of young talent.
If we need more uniforms, we'll get 'em... ;D
"I like the depth," Thomas said. "We can get back to playing 14-15 players in each game."
I haven't seen any of these girls play yet, but I've been told that there is some real talent in this group.... 8)
If we need more uniforms, we'll get 'em... ;D
"I like the depth," Thomas said. "We can get back to playing 14-15 players in each game."
I haven't seen any of these girls play yet, but I've been told that there is some real talent in this group.... 8)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Barber Greene on August 27, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Post by: Barber Greene on August 27, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
"UW-Whitewater adds more size to roster" (I'd say!)
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1058581
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1058581
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerbimmer on August 28, 2009, 01:17:41 PM
Post by: badgerbimmer on August 28, 2009, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: The Champ on July 27, 2009, 08:01:21 AM
2009-10 UW-Stout Women's Basketball Recruiting Class
Kayla Crowley, G, 5-6, Fr, Oregon
Kayla Windt, G, 5-8, Fr, Hurley
Kimmy Keehr, G, 5-5, Fr, Spring Valley
Tori Sandstrom, G/F, 5-9, Fr, Cary, Ill.
Amanda Daleiden, G, 5-6, Fr, Plum City
Jesse Smith, G, 5-6, Fr, Onlaska
Miranda Speckel, G, 5-7, Fr, Buffalo, Minn.
Lauren Demski, G, 5-4, Fr, Waukesha (West)
Kayla Hennig, G, 5-9, Fr, Two Rivers (Mishicot)
Brittany Meyers, G, 5-8, Fr, Glenwood City
Amy Van Hulzen, F, 5-10, Fr, Brooklyn Park, Minn.
Lizzy Slovensky, F, 6-0, Fr, Wisconsin Rapids (Assumption)
Carlyse Fuhrer, F, 5-11, Fr, Kenosha (Bradford)
http://www3.uwstout.edu/athletics/game_story.cfm?customel_datapageid_39030=180525
A recruiting class or a list of the young ladies who will be trying out???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on August 30, 2009, 10:36:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on August 30, 2009, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: badgerbimmer on August 28, 2009, 01:17:41 PMA recruiting class or a list of the young ladies who will be trying out???
Stout has changed their athletic website, so maybe you weren't able to find the article previously linked in my post.
Here is the new link: http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2009/7/23/WBB_0723092219.aspx
A few quotes from the article from Coach Thomas:
"This is a nice, athletic group," Thomas said. "They have quality speed and quickness and they each complement each other. They each will bring unique attributes to our program.
"I like their competitiveness and I like their basketball IQ. The have all played very important roles on their high school teams.
"This group, down the road, could put us in a good situation."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on August 30, 2009, 10:48:08 AM
Post by: The Champ on August 30, 2009, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: Barber Greene on August 27, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
"UW-Whitewater adds more size to roster" (I'd say!)
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1058581
Looks like Whitewater may have a uniform shortage too, right BW??? ;D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 30, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 30, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
That's a good problem. It looks like an interesting group of recruits. Hopefully they'll pan out. Morton will be difficult to replace.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on August 31, 2009, 01:10:40 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on August 31, 2009, 01:10:40 PM
UWL gets a nice addition this year from the MIAC.
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009108040020
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009108040020
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 01, 2009, 05:40:06 PM
Post by: The Champ on September 01, 2009, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 30, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
That's a good problem. It looks like an interesting group of recruits. Hopefully they'll pan out. Morton will be difficult to replace.
Yup, it doesn't hurt to bring in a group of recruits. You never know for sure which one(s) will truly pan out.
Morton was an outstanding player for you. I hope you don't find anyone as good to replace her.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 01, 2009, 08:13:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 01, 2009, 08:13:38 PM
I'll say the same thing to you once Hirssig is gone. ;D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on September 03, 2009, 04:18:35 PM
Post by: UWRF on September 03, 2009, 04:18:35 PM
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Facebook group: WRFW Sports
Twitter: WRFWSports
Email: wrfwsports@gmail.com
We will be tweeting live during broadcasts.
Go Falcons!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on September 03, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
Post by: billys on September 03, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on August 31, 2009, 01:10:40 PMGood get for UW-L but I don't think they will have much to go with her.
UWL gets a nice addition this year from the MIAC.
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009108040020
Quote from: The Champ on September 01, 2009, 05:40:06 PMAgreed, as long as kids aren't being made promises and then run off after a year when the next batch shows up. As D3's we often make cracks about the scholarship schools and how they might treat kids. But I think there's plenty of kids cut who were told they had a place with the program.Quote from: badgerwarhawk on August 30, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
That's a good problem. It looks like an interesting group of recruits. Hopefully they'll pan out. Morton will be difficult to replace.
Yup, it doesn't hurt to bring in a group of recruits. You never know for sure which one(s) will truly pan out.
Morton was an outstanding player for you. I hope you don't find anyone as good to replace her.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
It's the nature of college sports at every level. They recruit a player and the next year they go out and try to recruit a better one. You either develop or you're replaced.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 04, 2009, 08:26:51 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 04, 2009, 08:26:51 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 03, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
It's the nature of college sports at every level. They recruit a player and the next year they go out and try to recruit a better one. You either develop or you're replaced.
And that is the way it should be. Not all HS BB players are able to make the transition to the college level.
Just as some college superstars don't do well in the NBA/WNBA.
It's a different game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 04, 2009, 09:30:41 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 04, 2009, 09:30:41 AM
I once had a very successfull college coach in a different sport tell me that if they got the recruits they were currently recruiting none of the recruits they had brought in the year before would be playing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 27, 2009, 12:03:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on September 27, 2009, 12:03:33 PM
It is with much saddness that I report the sudden passing of Coach Pete Von Allmen who was found in his home on Friday. Pete was 65. He was one of the winningest girl's high school coaches in Wisconsin and a member of the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association's Hall of Fame. He coached 18 years at Hartland Arrowhead turning them into a state powerhouse and winning two D1 state championships in the process. Then he coached 10 seasons at Fort Atkinson High School were he won 3 conference championships. Following that he spent two years as an assistant at Beloit College and the past four years as an assistant for the WARHAWKS. As I had reported here earlier he planned on joining UW-Oshkosh's staff for the upcoming season.
He was a good guy and I considered him a good friend. He'll be missed. RIP, Pete.
He was a good guy and I considered him a good friend. He'll be missed. RIP, Pete.
Title: Re: WIAC Pick'em time!
Post by: JMM on October 21, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
Post by: JMM on October 21, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
Welp I say it looks like this for 2009-2010:
1. Point (great coaching always finds a way)
2. Stout (alot of 'ifs' here - got to love Julie H - hopefully Mark plays her full-time)
3. EC (too much height - could surprise if guards arise and Plendl matures enough)
4 Whitewater (just don't know here)
5. River Falls (could go a long way based upon last years end)
6. La Crosse (just don't see it)
7. Oshkosh ( looks like more of the same)
8. Superior (alwayss next year, again and again, and again and again)
1. Point (great coaching always finds a way)
2. Stout (alot of 'ifs' here - got to love Julie H - hopefully Mark plays her full-time)
3. EC (too much height - could surprise if guards arise and Plendl matures enough)
4 Whitewater (just don't know here)
5. River Falls (could go a long way based upon last years end)
6. La Crosse (just don't see it)
7. Oshkosh ( looks like more of the same)
8. Superior (alwayss next year, again and again, and again and again)
Title: Re: WIAC Pick'em time!
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 22, 2009, 11:50:54 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 22, 2009, 11:50:54 AM
Quote from: JMM on October 21, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
Welp I say it looks like this for 2009-2010:
1. Point (great coaching always finds a way)
2. Stout (alot of 'ifs' here - got to love Julie H - hopefully Mark plays her full-time)
3. EC (too much height - could surprise if guards arise and Plendl matures enough)
4 Whitewater (just don't know here)
5. River Falls (could go a long way based upon last years end)
6. La Crosse (just don't see it)
7. Oshkosh ( looks like more of the same)
8. Superior (alwayss next year, again and again, and again and again)
Poor Platteville can't even get ranked
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on October 23, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on October 23, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
That's rough. I hoped they would play this year.
Title: Re: WIAC Pick'em time!
Post by: The Champ on October 24, 2009, 09:06:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 24, 2009, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: JMM on October 21, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
Welp I say it looks like this for 2009-2010:
1. Point (great coaching always finds a way)
2. Stout (alot of 'ifs' here - got to love Julie H - hopefully Mark plays her full-time)
3. EC (too much height - could surprise if guards arise and Plendl matures enough)
4 Whitewater (just don't know here)
5. River Falls (could go a long way based upon last years end)
6. La Crosse (just don't see it)
7. Oshkosh ( looks like more of the same)
8. Superior (alwayss next year, again and again, and again and again)
As already noted, Platteville needs to be added.
And, no offense, but these are the current http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/ (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/) rankings:
8. UW-Whitewater - 385
23. UW-Stevens Point - 110
25. UW-Stout - 104
Also receiving votes - UW-Eau Claire - 49
It's just a preseason ranking, but it's a relatively unbiased view of the strength of the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 24, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
Post by: JMM on October 24, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
You made me laugh - poor platville. Well I blew it. Platville 6 moving la crosse and everyone after down 1 notch. Poor, poor platville.
MM
MM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on October 25, 2009, 05:12:06 PM
Post by: bulk19 on October 25, 2009, 05:12:06 PM
And just for giggles, here's how things were heading into last season...
WIAC coaches' preseason poll had Whitewater, EC, Point, Stout, UWL, UWP, UWO, UWRF and Superior as the projected finish... while D3Hoops had Whitewater 1st, EC 25th and Point receiving votes...
The year-end D3 poll finished with Point 7th, EC 15th and Whitewater 17th....
We shall see how things shake out over the gruelling, topsy-turvy season...
Ladies, start your engines!
WIAC coaches' preseason poll had Whitewater, EC, Point, Stout, UWL, UWP, UWO, UWRF and Superior as the projected finish... while D3Hoops had Whitewater 1st, EC 25th and Point receiving votes...
The year-end D3 poll finished with Point 7th, EC 15th and Whitewater 17th....
We shall see how things shake out over the gruelling, topsy-turvy season...
Ladies, start your engines!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 27, 2009, 02:30:04 PM
Post by: billys on October 27, 2009, 02:30:04 PM
It should be an interesting year to say the least.
My "picks"
1. Whitewater- Swan song for Hendrickson and Thompson. Like their freshmen
2. Stout- Hirssig is the best in the league and Stokke seems primed for a good year; just not sold on the rest
3. Point- Was ready to pick them when I sat down but didn't realize how young they are. Wouldn't surprise me to see them win it; just can't pick it.
4. River Falls- Lots of kids back who were playing well at year's end. It's still tough to crack that top three though with programs that know how to win.
5. Eau Claire-Another young team, just three upperclassmen.
Note the steep drop; throw these four in a hat. This group is a pick 'em as far as I'm concerned. I'm almost ready to start them all with 10 losses to the 5 teams ahead but we all know that's probably not realistic ... plus one has to make the tournament so I'll go with ...
6. Oshkosh- I'd like to definitely say they're the best of this group but I don't know who they have since their roster is not up. I know Erin Baganz left. I also know they got two nice guards who are freshmen.
7. Platteville- Couple older kids
8. La Crosse- Who's going to score
9. Superior- I want to move them up a notch. I just can't do it til they prove it.
My "picks"
1. Whitewater- Swan song for Hendrickson and Thompson. Like their freshmen
2. Stout- Hirssig is the best in the league and Stokke seems primed for a good year; just not sold on the rest
3. Point- Was ready to pick them when I sat down but didn't realize how young they are. Wouldn't surprise me to see them win it; just can't pick it.
4. River Falls- Lots of kids back who were playing well at year's end. It's still tough to crack that top three though with programs that know how to win.
5. Eau Claire-Another young team, just three upperclassmen.
Note the steep drop; throw these four in a hat. This group is a pick 'em as far as I'm concerned. I'm almost ready to start them all with 10 losses to the 5 teams ahead but we all know that's probably not realistic ... plus one has to make the tournament so I'll go with ...
6. Oshkosh- I'd like to definitely say they're the best of this group but I don't know who they have since their roster is not up. I know Erin Baganz left. I also know they got two nice guards who are freshmen.
7. Platteville- Couple older kids
8. La Crosse- Who's going to score
9. Superior- I want to move them up a notch. I just can't do it til they prove it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 28, 2009, 10:04:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 28, 2009, 10:04:23 AM
It's nice to see the WARHAWKS getting ranked and other posters liking their chances in league play. Personally I'm not quite sure what to expect. The gap left by Morton's departure will be a huge one to fill. It's probably unreasonable to expect one player to do that so the others are going to have to pick up the slack. Dana Thompson will play strong underneath but she's a different player than Morton and we may have more of a perimeter oriented team this year. That being the case we'll need solid seasons from our outside players like Hendrickson, Sontag, Bundy and the others.
At any rate it should be an exciting season and we'll continue our fast paced, uptempo style that's fun to watch.
Hirssig should have a monster year.
At any rate it should be an exciting season and we'll continue our fast paced, uptempo style that's fun to watch.
Hirssig should have a monster year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on October 28, 2009, 10:40:53 AM
Post by: jam8788 on October 28, 2009, 10:40:53 AM
This year it's UW Oshkosh's turn to scrimmage the Badgers in Madison. It will be a tough match-up for them, especially considering how young they are. Has anyone heard about other scrimmages going on with WIAC teams?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 28, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on October 28, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
Stout @ Marquette this Saturday. SP @ Milwaukee on Nov 5. Superior is playing @ Mary (ND) on Nov 7.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 28, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 28, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on October 28, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
Stout @ Marquette this Saturday. SP @ Milwaukee on Nov 5. Superior is playing @ Mary (ND) on Nov 7.
I'd love to go down there for this game. Coach T's sister is Senior Associate Athletic Director at Marquette, and it's always fun spending time with the Thomas family...
But we're going to be down in a few weeks for the UWM Honors Band Festival - our Grandson has been selected to participate in it! That same weekend Stout will be playing games on Friday and Saturday in Milwaukee, so hopefully we can attend one or both...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on October 30, 2009, 12:18:46 AM
Post by: Bears rule on October 30, 2009, 12:18:46 AM
Billys, this looks close. I think the Whitewater and Stout teams are much better than everyone else. The other teams lost too much. Right now flip a coin to determine who is your winner. It will come down to who is injury free.
For 3-5, let's just flip that coin again. the SP is young, EC is big and RF has young but experienced players. May come down to Coaching.
6-9. This will be so close, I think LX has fallen the most due to graduation and lack of experience, Sup Coach has been pushing, I think this is their year to exit the bottom. Plat and Osh have talented players I am just not sure how they will all work out.
So here we go with my stab.
1-WW
2-Stout
3-EC
4-SP
5-RF
6-Plat
7-Osh
8-Sup
9-LX
The only think I know for sure is that the players and Coaches get to decide this with their play and not us.
Go Bears
Quote from: billys on October 27, 2009, 02:30:04 pm
It should be an interesting year to say the least.
My "picks"
1. Whitewater- Swan song for Hendrickson and Thompson. Like their freshmen
2. Stout- Hirssig is the best in the league and Stokke seems primed for a good year; just not sold on the rest
3. Point- Was ready to pick them when I sat down but didn't realize how young they are. Wouldn't surprise me to see them win it; just can't pick it.
4. River Falls- Lots of kids back who were playing well at year's end. It's still tough to crack that top three though with programs that know how to win.
5. Eau Claire-Another young team, just three upperclassmen.
Note the steep drop; throw these four in a hat. This group is a pick 'em as far as I'm concerned. I'm almost ready to start them all with 10 losses to the 5 teams ahead but we all know that's probably not realistic ... plus one has to make the tournament so I'll go with ...
6. Oshkosh- I'd like to definitely say they're the best of this group but I don't know who they have since their roster is not up. I know Erin Baganz left. I also know they got two nice guards who are freshmen.
7. Platteville- Couple older kids
8. La Crosse- Who's going to score
9. Superior- I want to move them up a notch. I just can't do it til they prove it.
For 3-5, let's just flip that coin again. the SP is young, EC is big and RF has young but experienced players. May come down to Coaching.
6-9. This will be so close, I think LX has fallen the most due to graduation and lack of experience, Sup Coach has been pushing, I think this is their year to exit the bottom. Plat and Osh have talented players I am just not sure how they will all work out.
So here we go with my stab.
1-WW
2-Stout
3-EC
4-SP
5-RF
6-Plat
7-Osh
8-Sup
9-LX
The only think I know for sure is that the players and Coaches get to decide this with their play and not us.
Go Bears
Quote from: billys on October 27, 2009, 02:30:04 pm
It should be an interesting year to say the least.
My "picks"
1. Whitewater- Swan song for Hendrickson and Thompson. Like their freshmen
2. Stout- Hirssig is the best in the league and Stokke seems primed for a good year; just not sold on the rest
3. Point- Was ready to pick them when I sat down but didn't realize how young they are. Wouldn't surprise me to see them win it; just can't pick it.
4. River Falls- Lots of kids back who were playing well at year's end. It's still tough to crack that top three though with programs that know how to win.
5. Eau Claire-Another young team, just three upperclassmen.
Note the steep drop; throw these four in a hat. This group is a pick 'em as far as I'm concerned. I'm almost ready to start them all with 10 losses to the 5 teams ahead but we all know that's probably not realistic ... plus one has to make the tournament so I'll go with ...
6. Oshkosh- I'd like to definitely say they're the best of this group but I don't know who they have since their roster is not up. I know Erin Baganz left. I also know they got two nice guards who are freshmen.
7. Platteville- Couple older kids
8. La Crosse- Who's going to score
9. Superior- I want to move them up a notch. I just can't do it til they prove it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on October 30, 2009, 09:18:45 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on October 30, 2009, 09:18:45 AM
Regarding UWL....
I find it tough to see a drop to the bottom of the conference this year. I definitely agree that consistent scoring is going to be what will hold this team back and that of course it is a huge loss to graduate the talent they did last year.
But, combine some strong younger players getting some early season experience with the addition of arguably the MIAC's best defensive player last year and I see a promising season for this group.
It will be rocky as can be expected when you have to play tough competition night in and night out, but this team will be very strong defensively which should give them opportunites to hang around in games and get some Ws.
I find it tough to see a drop to the bottom of the conference this year. I definitely agree that consistent scoring is going to be what will hold this team back and that of course it is a huge loss to graduate the talent they did last year.
But, combine some strong younger players getting some early season experience with the addition of arguably the MIAC's best defensive player last year and I see a promising season for this group.
It will be rocky as can be expected when you have to play tough competition night in and night out, but this team will be very strong defensively which should give them opportunites to hang around in games and get some Ws.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on October 30, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
Post by: Bears rule on October 30, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
Agree, it is just so hard to predict until we see who shows up and how hard they worked in the off season. The one thing is ALL the teams have good people as players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 30, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
Post by: billys on October 30, 2009, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on October 30, 2009, 09:18:45 AMI hope you're right. I just don't see any way they finish ahead of the top 5. So I'm thinking 6 is their ceiling and will be what those bottom 4 have to shoot for.
Regarding UWL....
I find it tough to see a drop to the bottom of the conference this year. I definitely agree that consistent scoring is going to be what will hold this team back and that of course it is a huge loss to graduate the talent they did last year.
But, combine some strong younger players getting some early season experience with the addition of arguably the MIAC's best defensive player last year and I see a promising season for this group.
It will be rocky as can be expected when you have to play tough competition night in and night out, but this team will be very strong defensively which should give them opportunites to hang around in games and get some Ws.
I'm just not sold on their returning kids. Churchill is a solid starter and the transfer will definitely help; but after that we just haven't seen anyone prove it at this level. Taylor Larson should be decent at the point (but she's probably not a scorer). Lang had a couple decent games and will need to probably get 10-12 a game for them. Besides that Lindsey Latrenta (sp?) is the only one I remember with any game experience. It's one thing to be young with experience ... but I don't think they're necessarily that young and they're still pretty inexperienced.
The hardest part, I think for them is, and I mean this in no way as a knock to them ... they got a lot of what they got because they had Hunter and Wahl on the floor. Can they get themselves open? Can they be the best player on a good team in the WIAC? Those are the questions I have a hard time answering for La Crosse.
I hope they can do it because they were so close to turning the corner. And Bears rule (can't believe I said that) is right; can't predict cause we have no idea who did what in the off-season. And he's also right; there are rosters full of GREAT people in this league. Again; I mean none of this as disrespect for their coaches or players. A lot of where teams are picked says more about the other teams in the league than it does about them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on October 31, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
Post by: Bears rule on October 31, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
Does anyone know when the WIAC comes out with their preseason Coaches/AD rankings?.
I think we can debate this stuff all day but these voters should know more than any of us.
I have not looked at each roster. Maybe we will learn who had the best recruiting class or transfers that will have an inpact.
I think WW has a good recruiting season.
Does anyone have an opinion on other teams transfers or recruits?
I think we can debate this stuff all day but these voters should know more than any of us.
I have not looked at each roster. Maybe we will learn who had the best recruiting class or transfers that will have an inpact.
I think WW has a good recruiting season.
Does anyone have an opinion on other teams transfers or recruits?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 31, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 31, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: Bears rule on October 31, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
Does anyone have an opinion on other teams transfers or recruits?
I know Coach T is very pleased with his recruiting class, but haven't had a chance to meet or watch any of them yet. That will happen in three weeks for me.
But on another note, I just noticed this little tidbit on Stout's website:
QuoteUW-Stout was No. 25 among women's basketball team honored by the Women's Basketball Coaches Association (WBCA) for finishing as one of Division III's top 25 academic programs.
The Blue Devils tallied a cumulative team grade point average of 3.364 to finish No. 25 among Division III programs. UW-Stout was the only Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC) team to make the list and one of two state schools to earn the award.
As much as T wants good basketball players, he takes academics very seriously. First of all, that's why these recruits should be coming to school and secondly, he doesn't like playing nursemaid to athletes that don't/won't give the same effort to their education as the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on October 31, 2009, 01:22:53 PM
Post by: Bears rule on October 31, 2009, 01:22:53 PM
Well said CHAMP, Coach T has a good program. To have talent on and off the court must be a Coached dream.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on October 31, 2009, 01:30:22 PM
Post by: bulk19 on October 31, 2009, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: The Champ on July 12, 2009, 09:27:25 AM
Just announced 7/10...
UW Stout Women's BB had the 25th best average GPA in DIII!QuoteThe Blue Devils finished with a cumulative team grade point average of 3.364 to finish No. 25 among Division III programs. UW-Stout was the only Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC) team to make the list and one of two state schools to earn the award.
The other WI school was UWGB with a 3.317 in DI.
You just noticed the GPA? Or did you forget you already posted this information in July? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on October 31, 2009, 01:43:52 PM
Post by: bulk19 on October 31, 2009, 01:43:52 PM
If memory serves me correctly, the Stout team finished first once, within the last 10 or so years... UW-Oshkosh, Stout and UWEC have all been on the list twice, I think (unofficial results)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 01, 2009, 09:14:32 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 01, 2009, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on October 31, 2009, 01:30:22 PMYou just noticed the GPA? Or did you forget you already posted this information in July? ;)
I'm old and senile, but regardless - it's worth bringing up again... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 03, 2009, 01:48:34 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 03, 2009, 01:48:34 PM
UWRF Roster posted. Open November 17th vs. Crown
http://uwrf.edu/sports/bbwomen.roster.php
http://uwrf.edu/sports/bbwomen.roster.php
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 05, 2009, 11:36:45 PM
Post by: billys on November 05, 2009, 11:36:45 PM
Point gives UW-Milwaukee all they can handle tonight in Milwaukee.
Point played extremely hard, shot terrible, and still had a chance. They were 3-for-25 from 3 and shot about 50% at the line. Milwaukee's size could have had something to do with the 3-point shooting but either way; the Pointers showed well.
To be fair, and not to overstate, Milwaukee is going to be pretty bad this year; I mean could be REALLY bad. Parkside beat them on Sunday and their best players didn't hit shots either.
Anyone else playing an exhibition?
Point played extremely hard, shot terrible, and still had a chance. They were 3-for-25 from 3 and shot about 50% at the line. Milwaukee's size could have had something to do with the 3-point shooting but either way; the Pointers showed well.
To be fair, and not to overstate, Milwaukee is going to be pretty bad this year; I mean could be REALLY bad. Parkside beat them on Sunday and their best players didn't hit shots either.
Anyone else playing an exhibition?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 06, 2009, 09:45:23 AM
Post by: jam8788 on November 06, 2009, 09:45:23 AM
Point definitely made a good showing at UW Mil. They were actually up by 1 point with about 9 minutes left in the game, then UW Mil went on a 10-0 run. Compared to Stout's performance at Marquette on Saturday, Point kept their composure much better. But you're absolutely right Billys, the Panthers are going to be pretty bad this year and Marquette will be decent in the Big East.
The only other big exhibition game left is Oshkosh at UW Madison this Sunday, which I believe will be just as ugly as the Stout-Marquette match-up, if not worse.
The only other big exhibition game left is Oshkosh at UW Madison this Sunday, which I believe will be just as ugly as the Stout-Marquette match-up, if not worse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 07, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
Post by: JMM on November 07, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
Yes, does anyone know when WIAC media day is. I thought it was usually November 1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2009, 12:10:35 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2009, 12:10:35 AM
Quote from: JMM on November 07, 2009, 07:55:25 PMMost D-III conferences scrapped media days this year to save travel money. I don't know that the WIAC did that, but I would suspect that's the case.
Yes, does anyone know when WIAC media day is. I thought it was usually November 1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 08, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 08, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
If they scrapped it football they won't be holding it for basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 09, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 09, 2009, 01:50:20 PM
Ouch, 106-39
http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/nov/09/badger-women-blast-uw-oshkosh-exhibition/
http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/nov/09/badger-women-blast-uw-oshkosh-exhibition/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 09, 2009, 03:24:58 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 09, 2009, 03:24:58 PM
The SIDs have made their preseason picks. Here are the results.
2009-10 Preseason Predictions (Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors)
2008-09 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (5) 14-2, 26-4
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 13-3, 23-5
3. UW-Eau Claire (1) 12-4, 24-6
4. UW-Stout (1) 10-6, 16-11
5. UW-La Crosse 9-7, 17-9
6. UW-River Falls 7-9, 14-12
7. UW-Oshkosh 2-14, 7-18
8. UW-Platteville 5-11, 8-16
9. UW-Superior 0-16, 5-20
( )--First-Place Votes
I would have thought Stout would have faired better with their entire frontcourt coming back. Looks like they just picked it the same, for the most part, as last years conference records. I don't know what I am surprised with more, SP being first or LAX being fifth? Should be a pretty interesting season.
2009-10 Preseason Predictions (Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors)
2008-09 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (5) 14-2, 26-4
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 13-3, 23-5
3. UW-Eau Claire (1) 12-4, 24-6
4. UW-Stout (1) 10-6, 16-11
5. UW-La Crosse 9-7, 17-9
6. UW-River Falls 7-9, 14-12
7. UW-Oshkosh 2-14, 7-18
8. UW-Platteville 5-11, 8-16
9. UW-Superior 0-16, 5-20
( )--First-Place Votes
I would have thought Stout would have faired better with their entire frontcourt coming back. Looks like they just picked it the same, for the most part, as last years conference records. I don't know what I am surprised with more, SP being first or LAX being fifth? Should be a pretty interesting season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 09, 2009, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 09, 2009, 04:17:00 PM
I don't think the SID's are necessarily totally creative. Howver they did switch Platteville and Oshkosh.
I hope that WHITEWATER can pull it off but, honestly, if I were betting money I'd probably go with Stout so I'm somewhat surprised to see them picked to finish fourth.
I hope that WHITEWATER can pull it off but, honestly, if I were betting money I'd probably go with Stout so I'm somewhat surprised to see them picked to finish fourth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 09, 2009, 04:25:25 PM
Post by: jam8788 on November 09, 2009, 04:25:25 PM
Stout is ranked too low and Lax is ranked too high. RF is returning most of their starters (if not all of them?) so I'd rank them ahead of Lax for sure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on November 09, 2009, 08:07:56 PM
Post by: closetothechest on November 09, 2009, 08:07:56 PM
I think Stout would be ranked higher if they had a playmaker, as in a guard, returning for them. Basketball for the most part is a guard's game. After watchin Point's game last Thursday, they have a good one and I know WW has a good one too. The Gregorich sisters are pretty talented too, but I'm not sure who Stout or EC has. They have good front lines but pretty unproven in the backcourt. Might have factored into why Stout and EC were lower than SP and WW.
I am not sure why LX was so high. They had a good transfer from St Bens, but it is hard to see her have a huge impact on that team. No idea.
I am not sure why LX was so high. They had a good transfer from St Bens, but it is hard to see her have a huge impact on that team. No idea.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 10, 2009, 12:59:03 AM
Post by: Bears rule on November 10, 2009, 12:59:03 AM
I think the SID's must not talk to their Coaches. They did Stout a favor, Coach Thomas will let his players read this everyday. Real motivating for them. They have the best player in the conference and many good players from last years team back. Whitewater has so many good players back, so I can see them 1 or 2.
I can see SP right there too. Looks like EC is very tall, tough to get through the forest there. LX, not seeing what the SID's are seeing. RF, many returners, I can see them making some noise. Oshkosh, making Stone look good at UW. Looks like they got a good freshman guard. Platteville and Superior will make it a stronger conference for all teams.
We will learn a lot over the next few weeks before conference play. However, like the Bears and Packers, you just never know until they play the games.
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I can see SP right there too. Looks like EC is very tall, tough to get through the forest there. LX, not seeing what the SID's are seeing. RF, many returners, I can see them making some noise. Oshkosh, making Stone look good at UW. Looks like they got a good freshman guard. Platteville and Superior will make it a stronger conference for all teams.
We will learn a lot over the next few weeks before conference play. However, like the Bears and Packers, you just never know until they play the games.
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on November 10, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on November 10, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
UWL may be ranked high, but a dominant center can make a big difference on a team: giving the guards a little breathing room defensively, keeping possessions alive, ending a defensive possession by grabbing boards, and generally making it difficult for players to get inside the lane. I don't think finishing fifth would be too big of a stretch.
But the preseason polls more often than not go off of program prestige, previous years' success, and rarely get it right.
But the preseason polls more often than not go off of program prestige, previous years' success, and rarely get it right.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 11, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
Post by: billys on November 11, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
I don't think there's anything egregious about the picks at all.
First of all, the coaches should vote, not the SID's. How many of the SID's know about newcomers or have seen the other teams more than twice even in the previous year. So either they're basically picking on last year or their coaches are giving them advice.
Really though. La Crosse at 5 vs. what ... 6? I don't think anyone can give a great reason why any of those bottom four teams would be in a certain spot. It's completely a crap shoot down there.
I do think Stout is a Top 3 team, and can see anyone's argument for 1-3 with WW, Stout, Point. Give the champs the target to carry.
The league is there to be had for maybe 5 teams, more likely 3. As closetothechest said, backcourt at Stout is their question mark ... Point has big youth ... and WW has to replace Morton's production.
I really hope River Falls can make some noise up there. I love it when one of those teams outside the Top 4 breaks in. Whitewater supplanted Oshkosh a few years ago but now they're considered a front-runner. I do and don't like their schedule. Three of their first 5 conference games are Point, EC, Stout ... all at home. They will need to win 2 of those to be in the mix cause they have a brutal finish with 4 of their last 5 on the road with the home game against WW. Tough
First of all, the coaches should vote, not the SID's. How many of the SID's know about newcomers or have seen the other teams more than twice even in the previous year. So either they're basically picking on last year or their coaches are giving them advice.
Really though. La Crosse at 5 vs. what ... 6? I don't think anyone can give a great reason why any of those bottom four teams would be in a certain spot. It's completely a crap shoot down there.
I do think Stout is a Top 3 team, and can see anyone's argument for 1-3 with WW, Stout, Point. Give the champs the target to carry.
The league is there to be had for maybe 5 teams, more likely 3. As closetothechest said, backcourt at Stout is their question mark ... Point has big youth ... and WW has to replace Morton's production.
I really hope River Falls can make some noise up there. I love it when one of those teams outside the Top 4 breaks in. Whitewater supplanted Oshkosh a few years ago but now they're considered a front-runner. I do and don't like their schedule. Three of their first 5 conference games are Point, EC, Stout ... all at home. They will need to win 2 of those to be in the mix cause they have a brutal finish with 4 of their last 5 on the road with the home game against WW. Tough
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 12, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
Post by: Bears rule on November 12, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
Billys, you are right about the SID's. Let the Coaches vote. I think the WIAC winner may lose 3-5 games this year. Too many question marks/ new players for the top teams. They may knock each other off one time each and slip a loss against some of the other mid level teams.
Who will be the surprise team like RF ways last year? After the top four, including EC, Who will make that push to get to #3 or #4? Maybe no one, maybe they are all fighting for #5.
The WIAC on the top may not be as good as the last few years, however, #5-#9 may be better making everyone stronger by year end.
I still look for WW and Stout 1-2.
Who will be the surprise team like RF ways last year? After the top four, including EC, Who will make that push to get to #3 or #4? Maybe no one, maybe they are all fighting for #5.
The WIAC on the top may not be as good as the last few years, however, #5-#9 may be better making everyone stronger by year end.
I still look for WW and Stout 1-2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 12, 2009, 11:48:50 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 12, 2009, 11:48:50 AM
No way the winner will have 5 conference losses. I am thinking it will be 4 at the most.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 13, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
Post by: billys on November 13, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
La Crosse has their roster posted, and I'll be honest, they might not be too bad. Maybe not this year yet but they may have the best group of freshmen in the league. Sheila Opelt, Briana Radowicz (sp?), Casey Weber, and Emily Newman all have a chance to be good D3 players. Stacie Van Handel also appeared on the roster and she took Freedom to the State Title game two years ago, but didn't play last year while going to school there.
That's a really good group for this year. We'll see how fast they grow up and who makes the transition.
That's a really good group for this year. We'll see how fast they grow up and who makes the transition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 13, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 13, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
Billys, I saw the same thing about LX. Wow, they just made a jump. Watch out for them now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on November 15, 2009, 10:16:15 AM
Post by: stoutguy on November 15, 2009, 10:16:15 AM
Stout finishing 4th with JH in the paint? Ah, sorry, SID's, but you guys have been too busy printing out stuff. If you have been watching these WIAC games the past 4 years, you would not have Stout in the middle of the pack. Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 15, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
Post by: billys on November 15, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on November 15, 2009, 10:16:15 AMDidn't they finish 4th last year with "JH in the paint"?
Stout finishing 4th with JH in the paint? Ah, sorry, SID's, but you guys have been too busy printing out stuff. If you have been watching these WIAC games the past 4 years, you would not have Stout in the middle of the pack. Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2009, 05:15:39 PM
The WARHAWKS scrimmaged Lake Forest Friday night. Combining the scoring in both halves the WARHAWKS out scored LF by a score of 98-51.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 16, 2009, 11:37:44 AM
Post by: Bears rule on November 16, 2009, 11:37:44 AM
I see Stout lost to St Cloud St, a D2 school by a few points. Looks like another great year for Stout. Julia Hursig was great. 28 pts, 11 rebounds.
This makes them legit, them and ww #1 and #2
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2009/11/15/WBB_1115094158.aspx?path=wcbball
This makes them legit, them and ww #1 and #2
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2009/11/15/WBB_1115094158.aspx?path=wcbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 16, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
Post by: billys on November 16, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: Bears rule on November 16, 2009, 11:37:44 AM69 TO's and 71 fouls!!!!
I see Stout lost to St Cloud St, a D2 school by a few points. Looks like another great year for Stout. Julia Hursig was great. 28 pts, 11 rebounds.
This makes them legit, them and ww #1 and #2
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2009/11/15/WBB_1115094158.aspx?path=wcbball
St. Cloud is an average to below average D2 and extremely young; but still a solid performance by the Devils.
Looking at Stout's schedule it appears we'll find out a lot about them when the calendar turns. WIAC starts with Point and Whitewater at home. Good chance for them to get an early jump on the main competition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 16, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
Post by: JMM on November 16, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
Took in the EC intra squad scrimmage. Underneath looks great. Linder and Messick both look seasoned and confident. 6'5" Ellen Plendil did well also. The big question for EC is gaurds. Things here looked OK. EC game tomorrow with St Benedict could go well. There are several freshman and sophmores who looked very good in the scrimmage. Alot of hieght withthis team - 4=5 players over 6 ft. We will see what tomorrow brings. If EC can get by St Ben's and St Norbert, the schedule gets manageable allowing the team time to gel more. Might see a pretty good start for EC if they get by the first two games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BuckyC on November 17, 2009, 11:03:53 PM
Post by: BuckyC on November 17, 2009, 11:03:53 PM
UWEC still has issues at the guard position. No points from beyond the arc until late in the game.......no dribble penetration in the first half and terrible perimeter defense. A good "opening night" crowd had nothing to cheer about in the first half and for most of the 2nd half.
They have work to do!
They have work to do!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2009, 11:14:44 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2009, 11:14:44 PM
EC falls to St. Bens tonight, 74-67. As Bucky pointed out, some really poor perimeter defense in the 1st half. St Bens had wide open 3-shots throughout the 1st half. EC did play better in the 2nd half. EC played a lot of "new faces".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 17, 2009, 11:24:20 PM
Post by: buf on November 17, 2009, 11:24:20 PM
In other action,
UWL over Weaton, 65-57. The St Bens transfer (Frank) goes for 17pts, 9rebs.
UWO gets a layin plus a foul shot from Heidi Baerenwald with 2sec left to win over Lake Forest, 66-64. Baerenwald finished with 28pts, 9rebs
UWP over Millikin, 68-61
UWRF almost gets a triple digit spread against Crown, 113-27.
Point over Viterbo, 68-48
UWW over Loras, 89-75.
UWL over Weaton, 65-57. The St Bens transfer (Frank) goes for 17pts, 9rebs.
UWO gets a layin plus a foul shot from Heidi Baerenwald with 2sec left to win over Lake Forest, 66-64. Baerenwald finished with 28pts, 9rebs
UWP over Millikin, 68-61
UWRF almost gets a triple digit spread against Crown, 113-27.
Point over Viterbo, 68-48
UWW over Loras, 89-75.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 18, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 18, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
The WARHAWK women jumped out to a 20-2 lead in the first five minutes of the game and cruised to an 89-75 win over Loras. The WARHAWKS shot 51.5% from the floor including 8-18 from beyond the arch. Nicole Bundy was 6-8 on three-pointers and finished with a career high 32 points. Dana Thompson also finished in double figures with 22 points and led the team in rebounds with 7. The WHITEWATER defense came up with 15 steals in the game.
EDIT: My bad Chantel Burg led the team in rebounds with 9. Burg,a sophomore, jumps well and is very athletic.
EDIT: My bad Chantel Burg led the team in rebounds with 9. Burg,a sophomore, jumps well and is very athletic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 18, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 18, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Well after one game here is what we know.
Top three SP,WW and Stout. Why do they even play the games? Nothing changes.
EC, LX and RF still in the hunt.
Plat, Sup and Osh getting better and pushing others.
I know its early but we will learn alot in the next week.
I hope the WIAC wins every game this next week.
Top three SP,WW and Stout. Why do they even play the games? Nothing changes.
EC, LX and RF still in the hunt.
Plat, Sup and Osh getting better and pushing others.
I know its early but we will learn alot in the next week.
I hope the WIAC wins every game this next week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 19, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 19, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
I saw the last 13 minutes of the SP-viterbo game on Tuesday.
Couple thoughts:
-Pointers look beatable. Ill be surprised if they finish in the top 3.
-I felt like the Pointers have a lack of athleticism.
-Viterbo drove the lane at will. Just couldnt finish.
-Viterbo was in the game until they committed a plethora stupid turnovers on the perimeter.
-Congrats to Coach Egner on her 500th win!
Couple thoughts:
-Pointers look beatable. Ill be surprised if they finish in the top 3.
-I felt like the Pointers have a lack of athleticism.
-Viterbo drove the lane at will. Just couldnt finish.
-Viterbo was in the game until they committed a plethora stupid turnovers on the perimeter.
-Congrats to Coach Egner on her 500th win!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
Post by: buf on November 19, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
Carroll over UWO, 68-61. 24 turnovers hurt UWO. Baerenwald has another good game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on November 20, 2009, 11:13:57 AM
Post by: closetothechest on November 20, 2009, 11:13:57 AM
I think it can be a little deceiving looking at the last 13 minutes of a game and making a prediction.
It was Viterbo's fifth game, and SP's first. Also, I am not sure how many of the SP's top kids were in when the game was a 15+ game and they have a couple games this weekend.
It was Viterbo's fifth game, and SP's first. Also, I am not sure how many of the SP's top kids were in when the game was a 15+ game and they have a couple games this weekend.
Quote from: UWRF on November 19, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
I saw the last 13 minutes of the SP-viterbo game on Tuesday.
Couple thoughts:
-Pointers look beatable. Ill be surprised if they finish in the top 3.
-I felt like the Pointers have a lack of athleticism.
-Viterbo drove the lane at will. Just couldnt finish.
-Viterbo was in the game until they committed a plethora stupid turnovers on the perimeter.
-Congrats to Coach Egner on her 500th win!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 20, 2009, 06:07:28 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 20, 2009, 06:07:28 PM
Big weekend for the WIAC. Going into This weekend the WIAC overall record is 8-3, 73% winning percent.
I see the WIAC going 9-2 this weekend.
Stout 2-0
SP 2-0
RF 1-0
LX, Sup, Plat 4-2
I agree with the earlier comment about how teams look the first few games and who they are playing.
Anyone want to trade for Jay Cutler?
I see the WIAC going 9-2 this weekend.
Stout 2-0
SP 2-0
RF 1-0
LX, Sup, Plat 4-2
I agree with the earlier comment about how teams look the first few games and who they are playing.
Anyone want to trade for Jay Cutler?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
Some Friday Game Results
Stout loses 65-42 to Cardinal Stritch. Hirrsig with only 6pts and Stout shoots 23% as a team.
UWL over Aurora, 59-38
UWP over Ripon, 80-67.
Point over Rockford, 75-49
Stout loses 65-42 to Cardinal Stritch. Hirrsig with only 6pts and Stout shoots 23% as a team.
UWL over Aurora, 59-38
UWP over Ripon, 80-67.
Point over Rockford, 75-49
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 21, 2009, 10:00:48 PM
Post by: buf on November 21, 2009, 10:00:48 PM
So far today...
UWL and Stout both lose.
UWP wins
Point comes back after trailing by 7 with 7min to go to defeat Concordia-Moorhead by 2
UWL and Stout both lose.
UWP wins
Point comes back after trailing by 7 with 7min to go to defeat Concordia-Moorhead by 2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 22, 2009, 11:39:11 AM
Post by: Bears rule on November 22, 2009, 11:39:11 AM
This weekend in the WIAC did not go as good as I thought.
Here are my predictions with the actual results.
I see the WIAC going 9-2 this weekend. ACTUAL 7-4
Stout 2-0- actual 0-2
SP 2-0- actual 2-0
RF 1-0- actual 1-0
LX, Sup, Plat 4-2- actual LX 1-1, Sup 1-1, and Plat 2-0, total 4-2
This weekend went about as I thought except Stout, 0-3 start to the season. I still expect them to be in the top two in the conference when all is said and done. I know both teams they played this weekend were good teams, but to lose by double digits both nights, wow.
I need to see more from WW, but I think they are for real. We should learn something about EC over the next week.
Looks like Plat may have something going on there. LX loses to a good team in the Championship game, SP just keeps getting it done. RF, who have they played? But, they sure are taking it to teams. Sup still without there best player and winning.
Here are my predictions with the actual results.
I see the WIAC going 9-2 this weekend. ACTUAL 7-4
Stout 2-0- actual 0-2
SP 2-0- actual 2-0
RF 1-0- actual 1-0
LX, Sup, Plat 4-2- actual LX 1-1, Sup 1-1, and Plat 2-0, total 4-2
This weekend went about as I thought except Stout, 0-3 start to the season. I still expect them to be in the top two in the conference when all is said and done. I know both teams they played this weekend were good teams, but to lose by double digits both nights, wow.
I need to see more from WW, but I think they are for real. We should learn something about EC over the next week.
Looks like Plat may have something going on there. LX loses to a good team in the Championship game, SP just keeps getting it done. RF, who have they played? But, they sure are taking it to teams. Sup still without there best player and winning.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 23, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
Post by: BDB on November 23, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
Slow start for the BlueDevils. Some of their best years have started the same. Tough competition and then Point to start the season. Cripes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 24, 2009, 11:36:56 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 24, 2009, 11:36:56 AM
Whats going on with Stout? I can understand the losses to higher level teams, but losing to Carroll? Was this just a tough road game on a back to back or what? Looks like it was close, but to have 31 turnovers something has to be up. They have a gimme this weekend against St. Scholastica, but if St. Bens makes the final it will be a very tough game. Stout better start winning otherwise their in-region record is going to be tough to bring back up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 24, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Post by: jam8788 on November 24, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Carroll is legit this year. It won't be uncommon for them to have 4 or 5 players in double digit scoring every game.
But Carroll has done this to WIAC teams in the past, where they get a decent WIAC team to play on home court less than 24 hours after a Friday night game and pull off the upset. WIAC teams aren't used to the Fri/Sat games.
But Carroll has done this to WIAC teams in the past, where they get a decent WIAC team to play on home court less than 24 hours after a Friday night game and pull off the upset. WIAC teams aren't used to the Fri/Sat games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 24, 2009, 02:06:55 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on November 24, 2009, 02:06:55 PM
After reading everyone's comments about Stout on here, I thought they was better than a "decent" WIAC team. And Carroll might have a good year, but they were picked for 3rd in their conference. I know tha SID's don't always have all the information, but they didn't get a single 1st place vote. This is a bad loss for Stout that will most likely hurt them in March.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
RF gets a last second shot to win by 1, 68-67 over Macalester. RF trailed almost the whole way.
Point over Wisconsin Lutheran, 93-66
Superior over St Scholastica, 70-63
St Norberts destroys EC, 75-49. EC got down early with a 23-0 run by Norberts.
UWO loses to Ripon, 66-61. I watched this online. UWO seems improved over last season. They have added some very good players. Watch out for Baerenwald. A lot of early turnovers hurt them in this one.
On a side note, I noticed that Baganz now plays for St. Norberts.
Point over Wisconsin Lutheran, 93-66
Superior over St Scholastica, 70-63
St Norberts destroys EC, 75-49. EC got down early with a 23-0 run by Norberts.
UWO loses to Ripon, 66-61. I watched this online. UWO seems improved over last season. They have added some very good players. Watch out for Baerenwald. A lot of early turnovers hurt them in this one.
On a side note, I noticed that Baganz now plays for St. Norberts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 25, 2009, 10:07:10 PM
Post by: buf on November 25, 2009, 10:07:10 PM
UWW over Coe, 69-63 in OT. I watched most of this one on the Coe video feed. UWW is very fortunate to pull this one out. They trailed by 7 with 1:10 left in regulation.
UWW had a 10-point lead at the half. However, they only scored 2pts in the 1st 10min of the 2nd half allowing Coe to take the lead.
UWW had a 10-point lead at the half. However, they only scored 2pts in the 1st 10min of the 2nd half allowing Coe to take the lead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2009, 10:25:16 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2009, 10:25:16 PM
It wasn't pretty but it will be marked down in the left hand column. When we blew the chance to win it in regulation by missing one of two free throws I thought we were toast. Sometimes better lucky than good. Heidi Sonntag goes 8-14 from the floor including 3-5 from beyond the arch to lead the team with 24 points. Dana Thompson goes 8-12 for 22 points and pulls down 13 rebounds. Kelsey Hendrickson added 11 points. WHITEWATER takes 71 shots from the floor to just 46 for Coe but only shoots 35% to Coe's 46%. Fortunately for the WARHAWKS Coe turns the ball over 33 times, 16 of which were steals, five by Hendrickson.
The team will remain in Iowa for Thanksgiving and play Simpson and Bueana Vista Friday-Saturday.
The team will remain in Iowa for Thanksgiving and play Simpson and Bueana Vista Friday-Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 27, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
Post by: buf on November 27, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
EC moves to 0-3 on the season with a 3-point home loss to Northwestern. Looks like it could be a tough year. They are playing a lot of younger players, so hopefully the team will improve as we go on. EC needs a win tomorrow night in the 3rd place game against Carleton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 27, 2009, 11:06:04 PM
Post by: buf on November 27, 2009, 11:06:04 PM
UWW over Buena Vista, 83-68. Sonntag with another good game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2009, 09:35:20 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2009, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on November 24, 2009, 02:06:55 PM
After reading everyone's comments about Stout on here, I thought they was better than a "decent" WIAC team. And Carroll might have a good year, but they were picked for 3rd in their conference. I know tha SID's don't always have all the information, but they didn't get a single 1st place vote. This is a bad loss for Stout that will most likely hurt them in March.
I was down in Milwaukee last weekend (grandson in UWM middle school honors band deal) and was able to attend both games.
This looks like a team that is a work in progress. Lot's of youngsters playing hard, but not always playing smart. This is the time to hopefully work things out and get prepared for the the WIAC season.
Cardinal Stritch had played 6 games already, IIRC. Their play showed it.
Going over today for the Stout tournament. Hopefully things are starting to gel - especially after getting that first "W" earlier this week.
As to the losses incurred already hurting in March - winning the WIAC Tournament cures all the hurt... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 28, 2009, 01:03:24 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 28, 2009, 01:03:24 PM
The Champ and buf, have no fear EC and Stout will be fine when the yong ones get some experience.
Good weekend to see how thw WIAC matches up with other conferences.
With the EC loss I see an 9-2 weekend.
One loss EC and one loss Oshkosh.
Good weekend to see how thw WIAC matches up with other conferences.
With the EC loss I see an 9-2 weekend.
One loss EC and one loss Oshkosh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2009, 06:20:37 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2009, 06:20:37 PM
Point loses at #6 Illinois Wesleyan, 84-80 (if the live stats are correct). I guess Point had a 76-70 lead, but committed a bunch of turnovers down the stretch (33 for the game). The live stats were having problems, so I hope this info is correct.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2009, 08:42:29 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2009, 08:42:29 PM
EC picks up their first win, over Carleton, MN.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on November 29, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
Post by: stoutguy on November 29, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
Note to Badgerwarhawk: Have your "Slum Lord, Suger Daddy" bring some extra chairs when you come to Menomonie next Sat. We have 21 nice players on our roster and we need some extra furniture. That will be the third game in SIX days for Stout with an opponent ranked in the top 25 in the country. St. Bens today, Point Wed., and you guys Sat. Wow. Also, everybody keep feeling sorry for Stout because of all these losses. That's the way we like it. I, for one, think this Stout team is going to be just fine. Julia Hirssig had 23 points in 15 playing minutes and the new kids looked really good in a 90-52 win over St. Scholastica. All 21 kids had quality minutes. Is that even possible?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2009, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2009, 02:33:38 PM
EC did pick up it's first win on Saturday. Good team effort. EC is very young and as a group has only this year in terms of playing together. There are some very, very quality shooters on the team. EC will lose a few more games in as they grow. They have also been hampered by injury. Plendi had little playing time in Friday's loss. If she had been in for a majority of the game like Saturday, there would have been no loss on Friday. Will be interesting to see when it will all come together. They could be quite the force given Messick and Plendil.
Other huge problem (as has been for the past few years) the failure of making any defensive effort on stopping opponents 3 point shooting. I don't get it. This killed them against St. Ben's and against St. Norbert. Seemed like they were very, very willing to let opponent have the 3 pointers - not good. Could there be a philosophy of not worrying about giving teams the three. Hope not. This also hurt them over the past two years.
I do expect EC to be in the thick of things as the season progress. There are really alot of offensive weapons on this team. The young guard play seems good on offense - got to question the outside defense, however. Got to defend that 3 point shot or there will be many more losses than wins.
Other huge problem (as has been for the past few years) the failure of making any defensive effort on stopping opponents 3 point shooting. I don't get it. This killed them against St. Ben's and against St. Norbert. Seemed like they were very, very willing to let opponent have the 3 pointers - not good. Could there be a philosophy of not worrying about giving teams the three. Hope not. This also hurt them over the past two years.
I do expect EC to be in the thick of things as the season progress. There are really alot of offensive weapons on this team. The young guard play seems good on offense - got to question the outside defense, however. Got to defend that 3 point shot or there will be many more losses than wins.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 29, 2009, 03:28:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 29, 2009, 03:28:35 PM
WHITEWATER wrapped up their weekend in Iowa with a 83-70 win over Simpson. The WARHAWKS jumped out in front with a 17-2 run in the first four minutes of play but Simpson cut it to three points twice before the half ended with the WARHAWKS on top 40-32. WHITEWATER ran off another 11-1 run early in the second half to go up 51-37 but again Simpson responded with a run of their own and cut the margin to 56-54 with just under ten minutes to play. WHITEWATER increased the lead to 69-59 and other than one basket it remained in double figures for the last five minutes of the game.
Nicole Bundy paced four WARHAWK players in double figures with 23 points (5-6 three-pointers). Dana Thompson added 15 points and led the team with 8 rebounds. Heidi Sontag had 13 points and Chantel Burg rounded out the double figure scorers with 11 points. Kelsey Hendrickson had a team high 6 assists and 7 steals.
SG, we've got 21 on our roster too so we'll need plenty of furniture.
Nicole Bundy paced four WARHAWK players in double figures with 23 points (5-6 three-pointers). Dana Thompson added 15 points and led the team with 8 rebounds. Heidi Sontag had 13 points and Chantel Burg rounded out the double figure scorers with 11 points. Kelsey Hendrickson had a team high 6 assists and 7 steals.
SG, we've got 21 on our roster too so we'll need plenty of furniture.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Post by: buf on November 29, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Stout defeats St. Bens, 85-76. Good win for Stout. St Bens is almost always 1st or 2nd in their conference. Hirrsig with 22pts, 9rebs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2009, 07:35:06 PM
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2009, 07:35:06 PM
Who is the gentleman at Stout games who provides all the sound effects? What's the story here. Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 29, 2009, 10:28:30 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 29, 2009, 10:28:30 PM
The WIAC went 8-3 this weekend. Stevens Point lost to the #6 ranked team. Not a bad loss at all. Stout beat St Bens, St bens had beated EC by about 25 earlier. WW takes Simpson down. LX rocks both teams.
There is one more nonconference game, Monday EC plays. Here are the preseason records.
2009-10 Standings (Through 11/29)
River Falls 4-0 -no real impressive wins
Whitewater 4-0 -several impressive wins
La Crosse 5-1 - no special wins
Platteville 4-1 - no special wins
Stevens Point 4-1 -one good win, one good loss
Superior 3-1 -no special wins
Stout 3-3 -one good win
Eau Claire 1-3 -no special wins
Oshkosh 1-3 -nothing special
I think it is time to make your official preseason predictions.
I will start with several groupings.
1 thru 3- WW,SP and Stout-not sure of the order. These teams have had the best preseason when you factor in who they play.
4-6-this will be the best battle. EC, LX and RF. On any one night they might challenge the big three
7-Maybe Plattville will join this group above.
8-9 Osh and Sup. Both improved.
There is one more nonconference game, Monday EC plays. Here are the preseason records.
2009-10 Standings (Through 11/29)
River Falls 4-0 -no real impressive wins
Whitewater 4-0 -several impressive wins
La Crosse 5-1 - no special wins
Platteville 4-1 - no special wins
Stevens Point 4-1 -one good win, one good loss
Superior 3-1 -no special wins
Stout 3-3 -one good win
Eau Claire 1-3 -no special wins
Oshkosh 1-3 -nothing special
I think it is time to make your official preseason predictions.
I will start with several groupings.
1 thru 3- WW,SP and Stout-not sure of the order. These teams have had the best preseason when you factor in who they play.
4-6-this will be the best battle. EC, LX and RF. On any one night they might challenge the big three
7-Maybe Plattville will join this group above.
8-9 Osh and Sup. Both improved.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2009, 11:42:32 PM
Post by: buf on November 29, 2009, 11:42:32 PM
Bears-
-It was St. Norbert who beat EC by about 25. Without looking, I think St Bens' beat EC by about 7-8pts, although they were up by double digits throughout most of the 2nd half.
- Its interesting to see those standings. With the exception of Superior those standings look like the exact opposite of what you would see around a decade ago.
-It was St. Norbert who beat EC by about 25. Without looking, I think St Bens' beat EC by about 7-8pts, although they were up by double digits throughout most of the 2nd half.
- Its interesting to see those standings. With the exception of Superior those standings look like the exact opposite of what you would see around a decade ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2009, 07:56:14 AM
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2009, 07:56:14 AM
Saw the Stout - St Ben's Game. Stout looked very good. St Ben's is a very good team . St Ben's led for most of the game until about 6 minutes or so. DeWitt stepped up for Stout. Julia H. was superb. There are some new players on Stout who are excellent defensive players (number 2 in particular) - could be why they won. This Stout Team "is" better than the teams from the "Dorrus" years - not that those teams were bad - they were very good. Remember who Stout lost to at the start of this Season (one DI and one D2 school). SP and Stout for sure will be in it to the end. EC is not as strong as Stout - though last year they were able to contain Julia H with Plendil and Messick. As stated in another post, EC will have big trouble if they continue not to defend the 3 point shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 30, 2009, 11:27:17 PM
Post by: buf on November 30, 2009, 11:27:17 PM
EC loses 72-66 to Gustavus. EC out-shot and out-rebounded their opponent by a large margin. The killer was the turnovers (28 for EC and only 8 for GAC). You're just not going to win many games with a -20 turnover margin. Four players had at least 4 turnovers.
EC did play a lot better in the 2nd half and overall looked better this game than the St Bens game.
EC did play a lot better in the 2nd half and overall looked better this game than the St Bens game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 01, 2009, 08:22:37 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 01, 2009, 08:22:37 AM
buf
Does EC only have 9 players? Heard that from someone at the Stout/St. Scholastica game.
That's not much depth, if true.
Does EC only have 9 players? Heard that from someone at the Stout/St. Scholastica game.
That's not much depth, if true.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2009, 09:44:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2009, 09:44:58 AM
Their roster lists 14 players. ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2009, 01:05:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2009, 01:05:44 PM
WARHAWKS' Heidi Sonntag this week's WIAC player of the week.
Heidi Sonntag, Senior (Milwaukee/Wisconsin Lutheran), Guard of UW-Whitewater
Sonntag was named the Most Valuable Player of the Simpson College (Iowa) Classic that was held Nov. 27-28 and helped UW-Whitewater to three wins during the week. Against Buena Vista University (Iowa), she scored a game-high 20 points on seven-of-eight shooting from the field and grabbed six rebounds, had two assists and two steals. The following day against Simpson, she scored 13 points and had five steals. Earlier in the week against Coe College (Iowa), Sonntag poured in a team-high 24 points and had four steals, two assists and one blocked shot. In the three games, she converted nine-of-12 three-point field goal attempts.
Heidi Sonntag, Senior (Milwaukee/Wisconsin Lutheran), Guard of UW-Whitewater
Sonntag was named the Most Valuable Player of the Simpson College (Iowa) Classic that was held Nov. 27-28 and helped UW-Whitewater to three wins during the week. Against Buena Vista University (Iowa), she scored a game-high 20 points on seven-of-eight shooting from the field and grabbed six rebounds, had two assists and two steals. The following day against Simpson, she scored 13 points and had five steals. Earlier in the week against Coe College (Iowa), Sonntag poured in a team-high 24 points and had four steals, two assists and one blocked shot. In the three games, she converted nine-of-12 three-point field goal attempts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 01, 2009, 07:18:30 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 01, 2009, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2009, 09:44:58 AM
Their roster lists 14 players. ???
I was told by two different people that they only had 9 players suited up for their game on Friday. ???
That's why I asked the question.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2009, 10:39:32 PM
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2009, 10:39:32 PM
EC has a full rooster of 14-15. There are 3-4 bench-players hurt. I believe that 11 players were suited who could play. The turnovers were unbelievable. Young team shows some confidence from time to time but was pretty shaken in the first half. An un-defended 3 pointer was the shot that gave the Gusties the win. Also Plendil is playing only about 1/3 the time. Does nothing for team or building or her confidence - though she is obvious a real team player. Messick and Plendil are super strong underneath.
At the start of the second half, EC got the underneath game going and came flying back. Plendil was taken out for quite a while, the underneath game was forgotten and the Blugolds began to trail by 10 or so. Adjustments were made last January to that great team to seed the underneath game for this year. Wonder what happened. EC seems to have no real offensive plan these days. Season is not so new anymore (1-4) and possibly falling more. It is a young team with great potential. It may be time to let the talent play and grow. Maybe Plendil is hurt. She wears a shoulder brace.
At the start of the second half, EC got the underneath game going and came flying back. Plendil was taken out for quite a while, the underneath game was forgotten and the Blugolds began to trail by 10 or so. Adjustments were made last January to that great team to seed the underneath game for this year. Wonder what happened. EC seems to have no real offensive plan these days. Season is not so new anymore (1-4) and possibly falling more. It is a young team with great potential. It may be time to let the talent play and grow. Maybe Plendil is hurt. She wears a shoulder brace.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 01, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
Post by: buf on December 01, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: The Champ on December 01, 2009, 08:22:37 AM
buf
Does EC only have 9 players? Heard that from someone at the Stout/St. Scholastica game.
That's not much depth, if true.
JMM is correct. EC has 14 listed on their roster. I believe 4 of those are injured right now. EC did have 18 players on their roster last season. I'm not sure why the lower number this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 02, 2009, 11:42:47 PM
Post by: buf on December 02, 2009, 11:42:47 PM
EC gets a win over UWO 52-44. Close game throughout, with EC usually leading by about 5 points. Both teams very sluggish offensively in the 1st half. The score was 20-17 at the half. Things picked up a little more in the 2nd half. UWO had the lead down to 1 late in the game, but EC made the plays they needed to make to pull out the victory. A good contribution by freshman, Bingea. Linder played well down the stretch. Still too many turnovers. EC needs to find a way to cut those down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
WHITEWATER 68
LaCrosse 50
WHITEWATER never trailed in the game. In the first half the WARHAWKS overcame 32% shooting from the field with 11 offensive rebounds and 11 steals to lead 30-23. That's as close as the game would be as the WARHAWKS built a double digit lead early in the second half and maintained it to the finish.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 29 points and pulled down 10 rebounds. She also had an assist, a block and two steals. Kelsey Hendrickson and Nicole Bundy each added 9 points. Hendrickson, Chantel Burg and Heidi Sonntag each had 4 assists and Hendrickson recorded 7 steals.
LaCrosse 50
WHITEWATER never trailed in the game. In the first half the WARHAWKS overcame 32% shooting from the field with 11 offensive rebounds and 11 steals to lead 30-23. That's as close as the game would be as the WARHAWKS built a double digit lead early in the second half and maintained it to the finish.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 29 points and pulled down 10 rebounds. She also had an assist, a block and two steals. Kelsey Hendrickson and Nicole Bundy each added 9 points. Hendrickson, Chantel Burg and Heidi Sonntag each had 4 assists and Hendrickson recorded 7 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on December 03, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on December 03, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
WHITEWATER 68
LaCrosse 50
[b]WHITEWATER never trailed in the game[/b]. In the first half the WARHAWKS overcame 32% shooting from the field with 11 offensive rebounds and 11 steals to lead 30-23. That's as close as the game would be as the WARHAWKS built a double digit lead early in the second half and maintained it to the finish.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 29 points and pulled down 10 rebounds. She also had an assist, a block and two steals. Kelsey Hendrickson and Nicole Bundy each added 9 points. Hendrickson, Chantel Burg and Heidi Sonntag each had 4 assists and Hendrickson recorded 7 steals.
Now, now, let's not go spreading falsities. It was 2-0 UWL to start. Both teams have some work to do, UWL obviously with more. They have got to be stronger with the ball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Point with what appeared to be a comfortable win over Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse. (I don't think I've ever seen a sentence like that before.) Champ? Stoutguy? Can you fill us in on any details?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 03, 2009, 11:18:17 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 03, 2009, 11:18:17 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 11:09:19 AM
Point with what appeared to be a comfortable win over Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse. (I don't think I've ever seen a sentence like that before.) Champ? Stoutguy? Can you fill us in on any details?
Well, to play the part of the smart-ass former English teacher, It's actually not a sentence! But I digress: I did the men's game, so didn't see the women but people who did tell me that we shot poorly, couldn't make a free throw, and our young point guards really struggled.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
Touche! My English teacher mother would be very disappointed in me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on December 03, 2009, 11:35:11 AM
Post by: closetothechest on December 03, 2009, 11:35:11 AM
Stevens Point came out of Johnson with a tough, tough road win. To my surprise the officials actually started calling hand checks, as the teams combined for 49 fouls. SP did a great job on the glass, winning the rebounding battle 45-41. SP has some size, but no where compared to Stout. Also, a big reason Stout didn't keep this closer was their lack of ability to make FTs. 10-31 on FTs at home is an absolute shocker. You couple this with the outstanding play of Flease, 17pts and 9rbs from a pg, and Petersen, 20 and 10, then it is no surprise Point won going away.
Stout has a tough opening conference schedule and they really need a win on Saturday against WW. Starting 0-2 is hard enough in the WIAC, but dropping those first two at home to teams who you are going to battle for that conference title would be almost impossible to come back from for the Blue Devils.
Stout has a tough opening conference schedule and they really need a win on Saturday against WW. Starting 0-2 is hard enough in the WIAC, but dropping those first two at home to teams who you are going to battle for that conference title would be almost impossible to come back from for the Blue Devils.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 03, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 03, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on December 03, 2009, 11:35:11 AM
Stevens Point came out of Johnson with a tough, tough road win. To my surprise the officials actually started calling hand checks, as the teams combined for 49 fouls. SP did a great job on the glass, winning the rebounding battle 45-41. SP has some size, but no where compared to Stout. Also, a big reason Stout didn't keep this closer was their lack of ability to make FTs. 10-31 on FTs at home is an absolute shocker. You couple this with the outstanding play of Flease, 17pts and 9rbs from a pg, and Petersen, 20 and 10, then it is no surprise Point won going away.
As stated, this game was won at the FT line.
Hat's off to SP for making their shots at the charity stripe.
Not only was Stout only 10 of 31 from the stipe leaving 21 points on the table, they missed the first shot of too many 1 and 1's.
Too many fouls (many bad for both teams) for any flow to the game.
I feel for the players on both sides - they had no idea what constituted a foul. No consistency from the crew that was officiating this game. Calling hand checks that were so light you could barely detect contact was made on one play, then not calling a flagrant foul on the next.
I'll leave my comments at that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2009, 12:18:54 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on December 03, 2009, 12:18:54 PM
Hello WIAC folks,
I'm an Illinois Wesleyan fan and I just wanted to let you all know how impressed I was with Stevens Point a week ago. In our game, the Pointers were scarier than Wash U had been a week before. I generally only see WIAC teams during the postseason, so I can't compare SP to any of your other teams--but their winning any game does not surprise me. They are solid and well coached.
Sounds like some of you are noticing what I am about officiating this season--under the basket, it seems that anything goes, while hand checks in the open court are called. Is this a trend?
Looking forward to the IWU-WW matchup in a few weeks!
I'm an Illinois Wesleyan fan and I just wanted to let you all know how impressed I was with Stevens Point a week ago. In our game, the Pointers were scarier than Wash U had been a week before. I generally only see WIAC teams during the postseason, so I can't compare SP to any of your other teams--but their winning any game does not surprise me. They are solid and well coached.
Sounds like some of you are noticing what I am about officiating this season--under the basket, it seems that anything goes, while hand checks in the open court are called. Is this a trend?
Looking forward to the IWU-WW matchup in a few weeks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on December 03, 2009, 10:58:50 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on December 03, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
WHITEWATER 68
LaCrosse 50
[b]WHITEWATER never trailed in the game[/b]. In the first half the WARHAWKS overcame 32% shooting from the field with 11 offensive rebounds and 11 steals to lead 30-23. That's as close as the game would be as the WARHAWKS built a double digit lead early in the second half and maintained it to the finish.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 29 points and pulled down 10 rebounds. She also had an assist, a block and two steals. Kelsey Hendrickson and Nicole Bundy each added 9 points. Hendrickson, Chantel Burg and Heidi Sonntag each had 4 assists and Hendrickson recorded 7 steals.
Now, now, let's not go spreading falsities. It was 2-0 UWL to start. Both teams have some work to do, UWL obviously with more. They have got to be stronger with the ball.
My bad, the stats hadn't been posted on the website when I posted and all I had was a box score and faulty memory. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 03, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: buf on December 02, 2009, 11:42:47 PM
EC gets a win over UWO 52-44. Close game throughout, with EC usually leading by about 5 points. Both teams very sluggish offensively in the 1st half. The score was 20-17 at the half. Things picked up a little more in the 2nd half. UWO had the lead down to 1 late in the game, but EC made the plays they needed to make to pull out the victory. A good contribution by freshman, Bingea. Linder played well down the stretch. Still too many turnovers. EC needs to find a way to cut those down.
It's not exactly like the classic EC-OSH battles from the past, isn't it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on December 03, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
Post by: closetothechest on December 03, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
Should be interesting to see how many fouls get called in the WW-Stout game on Saturday. With the way both teams have pressed in the past, I wouldn't be shocked to see over 60 fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 03, 2009, 07:10:59 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 03, 2009, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on December 03, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
Should be interesting to see how many fouls get called in the WW-Stout game on Saturday. With the way both teams have pressed in the past, I wouldn't be shocked to see over 60 fouls.
Last year these two teams met twice and there were only 39 fouls called in the first game and 35 in the second.
Point/Stout games last year had 32, 34 and 48 fouls (in the playoff game).
I sure hope they let the ladies play basketball....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 05, 2009, 07:33:49 PM
Post by: JMM on December 05, 2009, 07:33:49 PM
Stout over WW, RF over SP. EC over LAX. Great day in the WIAC, RF is now the team to beat (for today)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 06, 2009, 01:57:18 AM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 06, 2009, 01:57:18 AM
great win for stout controled most of the game do not think whitewater ever lead in the game
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 06, 2009, 03:51:37 AM
Post by: UWRF on December 06, 2009, 03:51:37 AM
River Falls made a believer out of me today. I was skeptical of their non-conference schedule but they showed today that they can hang with anyone. This was the first time I saw the falcon women and I think they are going to surprise some people. Coach Holbrook has done a wonderful job of bringing in players that play defense and can score going to the hoop. The 2-2-1 press with gregorich and hansen at the top is going to give lots of teams fits. Some big games coming up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 06, 2009, 06:45:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 06, 2009, 06:45:22 AM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on December 06, 2009, 01:57:18 AM
great win for stout controled most of the game do not think whitewater ever lead in the game
Kim Stokke made the first basket of the game - a sweet 3 pointer - and Stout never did trail (consider this a cheap shot at you, BW... ;D).
Twice in the first half, WW did cut the margin down to a single point, but the half ended with a 6 point advantage for Stout.
Shooting in the first half was 33.3% from the field and behind the arc and 80% from the freethrow line in 10 attempts for the Warhawks.
Stout hit 37.8% from the field, 40% from 3 point land, but once again struggled from the charity stripe with 14.7% on 7 attempts.
In the second half, the closest the Warhawk ladies ever got was 4 points. At a little under 4 minutes that was the difference, but then Stout went a 2 minute 10 - 5 run to stretch it to a 9 point lead with about a minute to go.
WW tried the old fouling bit from that point on, but Danielle DeWitt hit 4 of 4 FT's, and Kim Stokke added 1 more over the final 60 seconds for a 65 - 54 final.
Leading scorers for Stout - Julia Hirssig with 18 and Kim Stokke with 13. Kelsey Hendrickson was the only Warhawk to hit double digits with 11. Hirssig also was chairman of the boards with 12 rebounds for a double double.
Despite the prediction of a real high foul count because of the rapid style of play, fouls totaled only 24 for WW and 21 for Stout - a total of 45.
Final shooting percentages:
WW - 30.8, 25 and 77.3
Stout - 38.3, 31.3 and 51.9
Stout as a team is shooting only 59% from the charity stripe for the season. They really need to clean this up soon, as it was problem last night in the win, but was a major problem in the loss to Point were they only hit 10 of 31 for 31.3% in a 15 point loss.
Next up, a roadtrip down to LaCrosse - who fell to UWEC last night 55 - 61.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on December 06, 2009, 10:47:04 AM
Post by: Bears rule on December 06, 2009, 10:47:04 AM
Well, that was exciting. I said early in the preseason the winner will end up with 3-5 losses. Early on it looks like SP, WW and Stout will beat each other up. EC, LX, Plat and RF will knock one off every so often. Not sure what to make of the RF team yet. Sup and Osh we will have to see about them. Both had tough games to start the WIAC play.
This next week some great matchups again. It looks to be quality match ups each week.
Bring you tool box each game girls because you will be going to work.
This next week some great matchups again. It looks to be quality match ups each week.
Bring you tool box each game girls because you will be going to work.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2009, 04:56:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2009, 04:56:43 PM
Earlier this season I was talking with a conference referee and he told me that he had heard from a couple of his associates who had seen the Falcons play that they were pretty impressed with them and that they going to make some noise in the conference season. Judging by the early results the comments were spot on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2009, 09:01:23 PM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2009, 09:01:23 PM
Expect EC to have their hands full with RF. Against LAX guard had mucho trouble getting the ball up. Lots of pressue but nothing like they will see from RF. EC had to make adjustments to get the ball up court in the second half. They are hurting bad in the guard position - inexperience and injury.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 08, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 08, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
UWRF has moved into the Top 25!
They need to keep the momentum going and get two wins this week!
They need to keep the momentum going and get two wins this week!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 08, 2009, 07:13:52 PM
Post by: JMM on December 08, 2009, 07:13:52 PM
I think that the folks at D3 have a "thing" for UWW Woman. Seems they always get the node these past few years in the Top 25. Love seeing all the WIAC teams in the top 25 but seems UWW gets a little over rated, a little too often. Thought the #1 rating last year (which was an overstatement0 really put pressure on that team - I thought.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 08, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 08, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
I don't think WW gets too much love. I think the #1 rating last year was legit to start the year with what they had coming back. I did hear a little rumor that Thompson is out 4-6 weeks because of a broken foot. I don't think they are a top 20 team though without her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2009, 07:52:49 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2009, 07:52:49 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 08, 2009, 08:14:20 PM
I don't think WW gets too much love. I think the #1 rating last year was legit to start the year with what they had coming back. I did hear a little rumor that Thompson is out 4-6 weeks because of a broken foot. I don't think they are a top 20 team though without her.
FWIW - Thompson was the #2 scorer in WW's first loss of the season last Saturday at Stout.
Unless something happened in practice recently, that rumor might not be accurate.
Changing the subject...
How is the "Snownami" in your areas? Are we going to get games in tonight? If the decision had to be made right now, I wouldn't endorse teams travel based on the way the wind is blowing the snow around here right now.
Hope things clear up - I'm planning on going to LaCrosse tonight!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 09, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on December 09, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
It could be true. She played 13 first half minutes and only 5 second half minutes. She was averaging around 27 for the season, so not sure why she would play her first half average, but not her second half average. We'll find out in Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 09, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 09, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
Champ, the WIAC website indicates the Stout/LaCrosse game has been postponed till 12/10.
The WARHAWK/Stevens Point men's game has been postponed so I would think that the women's game has as well.
The WARHAWK/Stevens Point men's game has been postponed so I would think that the women's game has as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 09, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
Post by: buf on December 09, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
UPDATE:
It looks like all conference games, both men and women, have been postponed until Thursday @ 7:00PM.
I thought maybe they could play the EC/RF game yet tonight, but I guess not.
It looks like all conference games, both men and women, have been postponed until Thursday @ 7:00PM.
I thought maybe they could play the EC/RF game yet tonight, but I guess not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on December 09, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
It could be true. She played 13 first half minutes and only 5 second half minutes. She was averaging around 27 for the season, so not sure why she would play her first half average, but not her second half average. We'll find out in Point.
I was at the game, and don't remember any WW player being injured on the court. But you raise an excellent point on her second half minutes.
I hope for her sake that the rumor of a broken foot is wrong...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: buf on December 09, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
UPDATE:
It looks like all conference games, both men and women, have been postponed until Thursday @ 7:00PM.
I thought maybe they could play the EC/RF game yet tonight, but I guess not.
That is the game where the opponents are physically the closest, and probably the most direct route between the two schools.
By canceling them all, it's safer for everyone and everyone plays the next game with the same amount of rest.
Best decision I think.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 09, 2009, 07:18:22 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 09, 2009, 07:18:22 PM
Champ From my side of the court I know she hurt something and when she came out of the game was pointing at her foot it happened on d in front of the stout bench
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 10, 2009, 06:19:37 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 10, 2009, 06:19:37 AM
Maybe there is something to the rumor of a foot problem... ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2009, 08:53:50 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2009, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: The Champ on December 10, 2009, 06:19:37 AM
Maybe there is something to the rumor of a foot problem... ???
Yes, Thompson is out and on crutches according to the Point announcer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
Halftime scores:
Point goes up big early but lead by hot shooting from Sontag late, UWW leads 30-25
EC has 19 TOs so far and I see no Linder on the live stats, RF leads 25-20
UWP goes on a 12-1 run before the half and leads UWO 26-23
Hirrsig's 12 points has Stout up over UWL 34-28
Point goes up big early but lead by hot shooting from Sontag late, UWW leads 30-25
EC has 19 TOs so far and I see no Linder on the live stats, RF leads 25-20
UWP goes on a 12-1 run before the half and leads UWO 26-23
Hirrsig's 12 points has Stout up over UWL 34-28
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 10, 2009, 10:10:17 PM
Post by: billys on December 10, 2009, 10:10:17 PM
Quite a night
Stout comes back from 8 down with 4:00 left and down 2 with :27 left before a DeWitt three gives them a one point lead. 2-for-4 at the line in the final :20 enough to hold off La Crosse.
Whitewater without Thompson gives Point their second loss.
River Falls to 3-0 forcing 34 TO's against Eau Claire.
Platteville rolls after getting down early.
Looks like River Falls wants to make it a 4 team race this year with WW, Stout, and SP.
Look for Point to go on a run here as they've already played the other three just mentioned. Then again WW and Stout have played two of the three.
Stout comes back from 8 down with 4:00 left and down 2 with :27 left before a DeWitt three gives them a one point lead. 2-for-4 at the line in the final :20 enough to hold off La Crosse.
Whitewater without Thompson gives Point their second loss.
River Falls to 3-0 forcing 34 TO's against Eau Claire.
Platteville rolls after getting down early.
Looks like River Falls wants to make it a 4 team race this year with WW, Stout, and SP.
Look for Point to go on a run here as they've already played the other three just mentioned. Then again WW and Stout have played two of the three.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 10, 2009, 10:18:09 PM
Post by: buf on December 10, 2009, 10:18:09 PM
Final scores:
RF over EC, 70-59. EC with 34 turnovers. Both Mesick (23pts, 12reb) and Halama (18pts, 11rebs) with double doubles for EC. T Gregorich with 20pts for RF
Stout makes a late comeback and downs UWL, 68-65. UWL was up by 9 with 5min left. Hirssig with 20pts. Dewitt hits a big 3 with 20sec left to give Stout the lead.
UWP rolls UWO in the 2nd half for a 63-49 win. Balanced scoring for UWP. Baerenwald gets 19rebs and Wenig with 15pts to lead UWO. UWOs juniors struggle.
UWW over Point, 76-71. Hendrickson and Sonntag combine for 43pts. Bandow leads Point in scoring with 18.
RF over EC, 70-59. EC with 34 turnovers. Both Mesick (23pts, 12reb) and Halama (18pts, 11rebs) with double doubles for EC. T Gregorich with 20pts for RF
Stout makes a late comeback and downs UWL, 68-65. UWL was up by 9 with 5min left. Hirssig with 20pts. Dewitt hits a big 3 with 20sec left to give Stout the lead.
UWP rolls UWO in the 2nd half for a 63-49 win. Balanced scoring for UWP. Baerenwald gets 19rebs and Wenig with 15pts to lead UWO. UWOs juniors struggle.
UWW over Point, 76-71. Hendrickson and Sonntag combine for 43pts. Bandow leads Point in scoring with 18.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 11, 2009, 12:30:29 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 11, 2009, 12:30:29 AM
Made the trip over to La Crosse to see the game and just got home... Roads were MUCH better today than yesterday!!!
If you look at the stat page, one would think that the Stout/La Crosse game was pretty physical based on the 47 penalties. But it wasn't... The officials were calling every touch and disrupting the flow of the game for sure.
At least they were treating both teams fairly equal (25 penalties for Stout, 22 for La Crosse). But I think it hurt La Crosse more as they had both Larson and Churchill foul out.
Maslowski and Stokke both had 4 fouls each for Stout, so they were close also.
Hirsigg lead all scorers with 20 and had 9 rebounds - missing the double double by 1 board. In addition to hitting the late 3 point for the lead, DeWitt had 12 points, 6 rebounds, 5 blocks and a steal. Windt and Maslowski added 10 a piece.
La Crosse had 4 players in double figures, led by Churchill with 14. Van Handel had 13, Litrenta 12 and Taylor 10. Frank led both teams with 14 rebounds and had 4 blocked shots.
Next up, UWEC on Saturday.
If you look at the stat page, one would think that the Stout/La Crosse game was pretty physical based on the 47 penalties. But it wasn't... The officials were calling every touch and disrupting the flow of the game for sure.
At least they were treating both teams fairly equal (25 penalties for Stout, 22 for La Crosse). But I think it hurt La Crosse more as they had both Larson and Churchill foul out.
Maslowski and Stokke both had 4 fouls each for Stout, so they were close also.
Hirsigg lead all scorers with 20 and had 9 rebounds - missing the double double by 1 board. In addition to hitting the late 3 point for the lead, DeWitt had 12 points, 6 rebounds, 5 blocks and a steal. Windt and Maslowski added 10 a piece.
La Crosse had 4 players in double figures, led by Churchill with 14. Van Handel had 13, Litrenta 12 and Taylor 10. Frank led both teams with 14 rebounds and had 4 blocked shots.
Next up, UWEC on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 11, 2009, 01:26:43 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 11, 2009, 01:26:43 PM
It was ugly, but we'll take it.
Score was 2-2 for about the first seven minutes of the game. RF was trying to score 5 points on ever possession rather than just take their time. This was especially true at the end of the game. They had a 10 point lead and refused to run down the shot clock. The first half was filled with bad passes and the second half with bad possessions.
River Falls couldnt score inside against EC's Twin Towers.
EC turned the ball over quite a bit but I bet that 20 of the TO's were forced by the Falcons. They did a nice job of getting their hands in the passing lanes and taking clean swipes at the basketball.
RF needs to play some more complete basketball if they want to make a run at the conference championship. I think they have the pieces. Brittany Gregorich has looked great at times, but then hit streaks where you can tell she is a freshman.
Tiffany Gregorich is having a fantastic start to the year, if she keeps playing at a high level the Falcons will be tough to beat.
Score was 2-2 for about the first seven minutes of the game. RF was trying to score 5 points on ever possession rather than just take their time. This was especially true at the end of the game. They had a 10 point lead and refused to run down the shot clock. The first half was filled with bad passes and the second half with bad possessions.
River Falls couldnt score inside against EC's Twin Towers.
EC turned the ball over quite a bit but I bet that 20 of the TO's were forced by the Falcons. They did a nice job of getting their hands in the passing lanes and taking clean swipes at the basketball.
RF needs to play some more complete basketball if they want to make a run at the conference championship. I think they have the pieces. Brittany Gregorich has looked great at times, but then hit streaks where you can tell she is a freshman.
Tiffany Gregorich is having a fantastic start to the year, if she keeps playing at a high level the Falcons will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2009, 01:36:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2009, 01:36:33 PM
Point started the game with a 17-3 run before the WARHAWKS, trailing 22-9, made a 21-3 run behind 10 points from Heidi Sonntag and 7 points from Kelsey Hendrickson to lead 30-25 at the half. WHITEWATER gradually built the lead to 12 points 59-47 with 8 1/2 minutes remaining but Point rallied to pull within 2 points 64-62 with 2:49 to go. But Sonntag and Hendrickson scored 10 of the final 12 points, 7 from the free throw line, to hold off the Pointers and WHITEWATER pulled it out 76-71.
Sonntag finished with 22 points with 7-10 from the field and 6-6 from the line. Hendrickson finished with 21 points and 7 steals. Playing for the injured Dana Thompson, freshman Kortney Kumerow finished in double figures with 12 points. Nicole Bundy only scored 6 points but her 11 rebounds, including 6 or the WARHAWKS 10 offensive rebounds, led both teams.
Losing Thompson is a big blow to the WARHAWKS but some of the others are going to have to step up. Last night several players made significant contributions and that's what it's going to take the rest of the way.
Sonntag finished with 22 points with 7-10 from the field and 6-6 from the line. Hendrickson finished with 21 points and 7 steals. Playing for the injured Dana Thompson, freshman Kortney Kumerow finished in double figures with 12 points. Nicole Bundy only scored 6 points but her 11 rebounds, including 6 or the WARHAWKS 10 offensive rebounds, led both teams.
Losing Thompson is a big blow to the WARHAWKS but some of the others are going to have to step up. Last night several players made significant contributions and that's what it's going to take the rest of the way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 11, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 11, 2009, 03:18:30 PM
Saw a first last night: A player called for a foul on her own teammate. Other team even got bonus FT's, too. I think they should just start playing the Benny Hill theme song after every whistle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 11, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
Post by: JMM on December 11, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
WHOA!!! You got me - called for a foul on her own team. Let's see so If I am fast enough, I can have my players keep fouling each other and really rack up the points. 15 players x 4 fouls each (minus the first 6 non shooting fouls) would be as much as a 54 point lead - and noone fouls out. That said, they were calling walks in the first half last night at RF like there was no tomorrow.
EC used Feagon last night in the second half to bring the ball up. Was a great improvement. Turnovers went down and the scoring went up. EC (my favorite) is young. They are coming around some. Messick is having a great year. If EC can get better guard play, they could be OK for tournament time.
OH WITT and Framstad we miss you.
I have seen EC, RF, Stout, LAX and UWO so far. Stout and RF are the most tenacious. It is going to be an interesting year. I'm surprised that Stout seems to struggle from time to time.
EC used Feagon last night in the second half to bring the ball up. Was a great improvement. Turnovers went down and the scoring went up. EC (my favorite) is young. They are coming around some. Messick is having a great year. If EC can get better guard play, they could be OK for tournament time.
OH WITT and Framstad we miss you.
I have seen EC, RF, Stout, LAX and UWO so far. Stout and RF are the most tenacious. It is going to be an interesting year. I'm surprised that Stout seems to struggle from time to time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 12, 2009, 11:33:19 PM
Post by: buf on December 12, 2009, 11:33:19 PM
Todays scores:
UW-La Crosse 68, UW-Platteville 51
UW-River Falls 57, UW-Oshkosh 56
UW-Stout 67, UW-Eau Claire 66
UW-Whitewater 86, UW-Superior 65
UW-La Crosse 68, UW-Platteville 51
UW-River Falls 57, UW-Oshkosh 56
UW-Stout 67, UW-Eau Claire 66
UW-Whitewater 86, UW-Superior 65
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 12, 2009, 11:53:37 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 12, 2009, 11:53:37 PM
Since I like to harp in these forums about poor free throw shooting in close games, I'll begrudging tip my cap to the Blue Devils tonight. They made 22 of 26, for 84.6% from the charity stripe. When a team shoots that well, it deserves to win the close games...
And, although it wasn't quite as close, the UWL men beat Platteville tonight, 84-70, in part because, during the last 5:30 minutes, the Eagles scored their last 22 points from the charity stripe...The Eagles finished 28 of 32, a stellar 87.5%...
So, future WIACers, ask Santa this year for maybe a sky hook and definitely a book on improving your free throw shooting! ;)
And, although it wasn't quite as close, the UWL men beat Platteville tonight, 84-70, in part because, during the last 5:30 minutes, the Eagles scored their last 22 points from the charity stripe...The Eagles finished 28 of 32, a stellar 87.5%...
So, future WIACers, ask Santa this year for maybe a sky hook and definitely a book on improving your free throw shooting! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 13, 2009, 09:11:59 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 13, 2009, 09:11:59 AM
We weren't able to make it to the Stout/UWEC game - Mrs. Champ's plane from Calgary, Alberta was about 3 hours late for the second week in a row... >:(
Last week, with the game in Menomonie and a 4:00 PM start, we could make it in time.
We were able to listen to the whole first half and part of the second half while driving home from the Twin Cities before 880 AM got "unlistenable" (is that a word?).
What we heard over the radio (with brilliant analysis by our own Stoutguy) was a game with once again too many touch fouls and no consistency by the officials in what they were calling (I specifically remember one no call they talked about where Stout's Maslowski should have been called for a foul). The WIAC seems to be rampant in their lack of consistency in officiating this year - other than the consistency of calling touch fouls.
Other things I noted from listening (and confirmed by looking at the stats):
1. Stout was gunning 3 pointers in the first half and didn't seem to be able to find the basket - 2 of 14 shooting for 14.3%.
2. UWEC frequently turning over the ball - many unforced. 18 turnovers in the first half.
3. Plendl's two quick fouls had her sitting most of the first half. With only 2 minutes of playing time in the second half, she fouled out.
Stout never trailed in the second half, but UWEC did tie the game up 7 times. The last tie was at 3:40 remaining after Halama made a jumper and was fouled and made the +1 for a 3 point play.
The game went scoreless for the next 58 seconds until Maslowski hit a 3 pointer to put Stout up by 3 at 2:42.
Stout's lead bounced around between 2 - 5 points over the next 2 and a half minutes until Freagon fouled Maslowski with 9 seconds left. Maslowskit hit both shots from the charity stripe to make it a 4 point, 2 possession game.
Freagon made a 3 pointer with 2 seconds to go, but that was the end of the game.
Would have been great to be there for the hard fought win!
Last week, with the game in Menomonie and a 4:00 PM start, we could make it in time.
We were able to listen to the whole first half and part of the second half while driving home from the Twin Cities before 880 AM got "unlistenable" (is that a word?).
What we heard over the radio (with brilliant analysis by our own Stoutguy) was a game with once again too many touch fouls and no consistency by the officials in what they were calling (I specifically remember one no call they talked about where Stout's Maslowski should have been called for a foul). The WIAC seems to be rampant in their lack of consistency in officiating this year - other than the consistency of calling touch fouls.
Other things I noted from listening (and confirmed by looking at the stats):
1. Stout was gunning 3 pointers in the first half and didn't seem to be able to find the basket - 2 of 14 shooting for 14.3%.
2. UWEC frequently turning over the ball - many unforced. 18 turnovers in the first half.
3. Plendl's two quick fouls had her sitting most of the first half. With only 2 minutes of playing time in the second half, she fouled out.
Stout never trailed in the second half, but UWEC did tie the game up 7 times. The last tie was at 3:40 remaining after Halama made a jumper and was fouled and made the +1 for a 3 point play.
The game went scoreless for the next 58 seconds until Maslowski hit a 3 pointer to put Stout up by 3 at 2:42.
Stout's lead bounced around between 2 - 5 points over the next 2 and a half minutes until Freagon fouled Maslowski with 9 seconds left. Maslowskit hit both shots from the charity stripe to make it a 4 point, 2 possession game.
Freagon made a 3 pointer with 2 seconds to go, but that was the end of the game.
Would have been great to be there for the hard fought win!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2009, 12:20:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2009, 12:20:30 PM
I haven't personally noticed anything different this year but perhaps hand checking is a point of emphasis with the league officials.
UW-Whitewater 86, UW-Superior 65
With the exception of one tie 9-9 the WARHAWKS led the entire game with the YellowJackets. A three point play by Cortney Kumerow created a double digit lead, 29-19, at the six minute mark of the first half and Superior never got any closer than 12 points for the rest of the game.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 24 points (4-6 three pointers) and had 3 steals. Nicole Bundy finished with 18 points (4-7 three pointers). Kumerow also scored in double figures with 16 points and had a pair of steals. Led by Chantel Burg's 8 rebounds the WARHAWKS controlled the boards 38-26 including 11 on the offensive end. Heidi Sonntag had 6 assists to lead the WARHAWKS and Burg added 5.
UW-Whitewater 86, UW-Superior 65
With the exception of one tie 9-9 the WARHAWKS led the entire game with the YellowJackets. A three point play by Cortney Kumerow created a double digit lead, 29-19, at the six minute mark of the first half and Superior never got any closer than 12 points for the rest of the game.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 24 points (4-6 three pointers) and had 3 steals. Nicole Bundy finished with 18 points (4-7 three pointers). Kumerow also scored in double figures with 16 points and had a pair of steals. Led by Chantel Burg's 8 rebounds the WARHAWKS controlled the boards 38-26 including 11 on the offensive end. Heidi Sonntag had 6 assists to lead the WARHAWKS and Burg added 5.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 14, 2009, 03:34:32 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 14, 2009, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 11, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
WHOA!!! You got me - called for a foul on her own team. Let's see so If I am fast enough, I can have my players keep fouling each other and really rack up the points. 15 players x 4 fouls each (minus the first 6 non shooting fouls) would be as much as a 54 point lead - and noone fouls out. That said, they were calling walks in the first half last night at RF like there was no tomorrow.
EC used Feagon last night in the second half to bring the ball up. Was a great improvement. Turnovers went down and the scoring went up. EC (my favorite) is young. They are coming around some. Messick is having a great year. If EC can get better guard play, they could be OK for tournament time.
OH WITT and Framstad we miss you.
I have seen EC, RF, Stout, LAX and UWO so far. Stout and RF are the most tenacious. It is going to be an interesting year. I'm surprised that Stout seems to struggle from time to time.
Well, the other team would have the 54 point lead then, since they got the FT's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on December 14, 2009, 09:19:12 PM
Post by: Bears rule on December 14, 2009, 09:19:12 PM
How did this happen?
2009-10 Standings (Through 12/12)
School WIAC
W-L Overall
W-L
River Falls 4-0 8-0 Now has some nice wins over EC and SP
Whitewater 3-1 7-1 How long is Thompson out?
Stout 3-1 6-4 Thomas turns them loose. Young guns improve
Platteville 2-1 7-2 Wow, what happened at LX
Eau Claire 2-2 3-6 Stop turning it over, then they will tough
Stevens Point 1-2 6-3 Tough schedule to start. Will be there at the end
La Crosse 1-3 6-4 Conf games are tougher
Superior 0-3 4-4 Will get better
Oshkosh 0-3 1-6 Almost beat EC and RF
Well, early season surprise is RF and Platteville. I said awhile back the winner may lose 3-5 games. May happen yet.
Lets see the WIAC win a bunch of games between now and Jan 6 the next conf games.
Anyone see the Bears Sunday? Bye Bye Lovie
2009-10 Standings (Through 12/12)
School WIAC
W-L Overall
W-L
River Falls 4-0 8-0 Now has some nice wins over EC and SP
Whitewater 3-1 7-1 How long is Thompson out?
Stout 3-1 6-4 Thomas turns them loose. Young guns improve
Platteville 2-1 7-2 Wow, what happened at LX
Eau Claire 2-2 3-6 Stop turning it over, then they will tough
Stevens Point 1-2 6-3 Tough schedule to start. Will be there at the end
La Crosse 1-3 6-4 Conf games are tougher
Superior 0-3 4-4 Will get better
Oshkosh 0-3 1-6 Almost beat EC and RF
Well, early season surprise is RF and Platteville. I said awhile back the winner may lose 3-5 games. May happen yet.
Lets see the WIAC win a bunch of games between now and Jan 6 the next conf games.
Anyone see the Bears Sunday? Bye Bye Lovie
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 15, 2009, 07:28:15 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 15, 2009, 07:28:15 AM
Early season standings are really swayed by who you've played.
River Falls - Wins over Superior, Stevens Point, Eau Claire and Osh Kosh.
Whitewater - Wins over La Crosse, Point and Superior. Lost to Stout.
Stout - Wins over Whitewater, La Crosse and Eau Claire. Lost to Point.
Platteville - Wins over Superior and Osh Kosh. Lost to La Crosse.
Eau Claire - Wins over Osh Kosh and La Crosse. Lost to River Falls and Stout.
Stevens Point - Win over Stout. Lost to River Falls and Whitewater.
La Crosse - Win over Platteville. Lost to Whitewater, Eau Claire and Stout.
Superior - Lost to River Falls, Platteville and Whitewater
Osh Kosh - Lost to Eau Claire, Platteville and River Falls.
River Falls - Wins over Superior, Stevens Point, Eau Claire and Osh Kosh.
Whitewater - Wins over La Crosse, Point and Superior. Lost to Stout.
Stout - Wins over Whitewater, La Crosse and Eau Claire. Lost to Point.
Platteville - Wins over Superior and Osh Kosh. Lost to La Crosse.
Eau Claire - Wins over Osh Kosh and La Crosse. Lost to River Falls and Stout.
Stevens Point - Win over Stout. Lost to River Falls and Whitewater.
La Crosse - Win over Platteville. Lost to Whitewater, Eau Claire and Stout.
Superior - Lost to River Falls, Platteville and Whitewater
Osh Kosh - Lost to Eau Claire, Platteville and River Falls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 16, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
Post by: UWRF on December 16, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
I have come to the conclusion that there will be a lot more ugly wins on the way for the Falcons.
They are not going to pound anyone. They shot 4-42 from the field in the first half (9.5%). 12 POINTS!!!
Thank god NW isnt very good.
Holst dominated in the second half with 17 points. T. Gregorich added a quiet 15.
They are not going to pound anyone. They shot 4-42 from the field in the first half (9.5%). 12 POINTS!!!
Thank god NW isnt very good.
Holst dominated in the second half with 17 points. T. Gregorich added a quiet 15.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on December 16, 2009, 06:56:58 PM
Post by: Bears rule on December 16, 2009, 06:56:58 PM
Sounds like RF is going through what Stout, EC, maybe even SP has gone through, a tough stretch of trying to play good BB. Just a few games where they just cannot get it going.
I see they had a 15 point lead on Oshkosh with about 5 minutes left and only won by one. What do they say, "its easier to be hunting then to be hunted". This may apply to them.
Lets see how the Xmas break goes for the WIAC. Then back at it early in January.
I see they had a 15 point lead on Oshkosh with about 5 minutes left and only won by one. What do they say, "its easier to be hunting then to be hunted". This may apply to them.
Lets see how the Xmas break goes for the WIAC. Then back at it early in January.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 19, 2009, 08:01:12 PM
Post by: buf on December 19, 2009, 08:01:12 PM
EC loses to Augustana (D2), 87-64. EC got down by 20 in the 1st half, but held their own after that. They cut the deficit to 12 with 11min remaining. EC needs to get off to better starts. And that starts with limiting turnovers. They are turning it over way too much in the first 10min of these games, causing them to fall behind.
On a brighter note, both Mesick and Plendl had double-doubles.
I believe EC plays Duluth next, another D2 school.
On a brighter note, both Mesick and Plendl had double-doubles.
I believe EC plays Duluth next, another D2 school.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2009, 08:25:52 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 19, 2009, 08:25:52 PM
buf,
I was startled for a moment until I reread the post. :-[ Augustana (D3) is one of the weaker squads in the CCIW, and the women's CCIW overall is (alas) nowhere near the men's CCIW.
I was startled for a moment until I reread the post. :-[ Augustana (D3) is one of the weaker squads in the CCIW, and the women's CCIW overall is (alas) nowhere near the men's CCIW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 19, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
Post by: buf on December 19, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
Good thing I put in that (D2). :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2009, 12:35:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2009, 12:35:27 PM
WARHAWKS fell to #13 ranked Scranton 69-61. The WARHAWKS led early but Scranton went ahead after 5 minutes had elapsed and held the lead until a pair of free throws by Chantel Burg tied the score, 30-30, with 12 seconds remaining in the half. The WARHAWKS led for a good portion of the second half but Scanton went ahead for good with 2 minutes remaining.
Heidi Sonntag (16), Kelsey Hendrickson (14) and Nicole Bundy (12) all scored in double figures to pace the WARHAWKS. Hendrickson also had 5 steals. Scanton dominated the boards outrebounding the WARHAWKS 47-30 including 24 offensive rebounds.
Heidi Sonntag (16), Kelsey Hendrickson (14) and Nicole Bundy (12) all scored in double figures to pace the WARHAWKS. Hendrickson also had 5 steals. Scanton dominated the boards outrebounding the WARHAWKS 47-30 including 24 offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2009, 06:01:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 20, 2009, 06:01:53 PM
The WARHAWKS beat Southwestern 73-51.
Heidi Sonntag led all scorers with 23 points. Kelsey Hendrickson chipped in 18 points and Cortney Kumerow added 12 points. The WARHAWKS dominated the boards with a 35-20 advantage including 17 on the offensive board. Chantel Burg was the leading WARHAWK rebounder with 8. Burg also had 6 assists and 4 steals. Megan Thuene was 6-6 from the free throw line in 4 minutes of play. The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game.
Heidi Sonntag led all scorers with 23 points. Kelsey Hendrickson chipped in 18 points and Cortney Kumerow added 12 points. The WARHAWKS dominated the boards with a 35-20 advantage including 17 on the offensive board. Chantel Burg was the leading WARHAWK rebounder with 8. Burg also had 6 assists and 4 steals. Megan Thuene was 6-6 from the free throw line in 4 minutes of play. The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 27, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 27, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
EC loses to UMD (d2) by about 10. Same old story for the Golds..., they outrebound and out shoot (% wise) their opponent but lose the turnover battle big time (today -15 margin).
I just looked at their schedule and see that they fly out to the west coast and already play again in 2 days.
I just looked at their schedule and see that they fly out to the west coast and already play again in 2 days.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 27, 2009, 08:22:50 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 27, 2009, 08:22:50 PM
River Falls vs. SUNY-Purchase
6pm Tuesday (12-28)
River Falls vs. Washington-Jefferson
4pm Wednesday (12-29)
Watch at:
http://www.stretchinternet.com/surfcityclassic.html
6pm Tuesday (12-28)
River Falls vs. Washington-Jefferson
4pm Wednesday (12-29)
Watch at:
http://www.stretchinternet.com/surfcityclassic.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 29, 2009, 07:03:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 29, 2009, 07:03:54 AM
Stout falls to Mary Hardin Baylor 74 - 63.
Game was close in the first half... 39 - 34 for MHB, despite 16 turnovers in the half by Stout.
The first half of the second period was all MHB, as they went on a 16 - 9 run.
Stout finally shored things up in the last 10 minutes, but it was too little, too late.
50% from the FT line and 18% from 3 point land isn't good enough when you turn the ball over 29 times.
Stout will play Trinity tonight at 8 PM.
Game was close in the first half... 39 - 34 for MHB, despite 16 turnovers in the half by Stout.
The first half of the second period was all MHB, as they went on a 16 - 9 run.
Stout finally shored things up in the last 10 minutes, but it was too little, too late.
50% from the FT line and 18% from 3 point land isn't good enough when you turn the ball over 29 times.
Stout will play Trinity tonight at 8 PM.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 29, 2009, 11:49:44 PM
Post by: buf on December 29, 2009, 11:49:44 PM
EC falls, 49-36, at #33 Puget Sound. Again, EC outshoots and outrebounds their opponent. A minus 16 turnover margin today.
Stout cruises past #8 Trinity TX
Stout cruises past #8 Trinity TX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 30, 2009, 03:24:57 AM
Post by: UWRF on December 30, 2009, 03:24:57 AM
Falcons come from behind to beat Washington & Jefferson. The falcons are now 11-0 on the year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 30, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 30, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
QuoteStout cruises past #8 Trinity TX
It wasn't a cruise in the first half.
Trailing 35 - 31 at the break, I can only surmise that the discussion in the lockeroom was successful...
In the second half, Stout's defense held Trinity to only 7 second half FG's, while sinking 16 of 30 shots for themselves.
Megan Maslowski scored 16 of her 17 points in the second half. Kim Stokke scored 12 of her career high 19 points in the second half. Julia Hirssig scored 12 of her game high 22 points in the second half.
These 3 senior starters accounted for 40 of Stout's 51 second half points in a 41 minutes (combined) of playing time in the second period.
56 fouls called in the game - 30 against Stout and 26 against Trinity. Maslowski fouled out for Stout - Marzella and Goodell fouled out for Trinity.
Stout controlled the backboard with 60 rebounds (led by Hirssig with 16) vs. 41 for Trinity.
Next up UWRF at River on January 6th! A battle for 1st place in the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on December 30, 2009, 04:00:33 PM
Post by: jam8788 on December 30, 2009, 04:00:33 PM
What RF is doing for their program is great - in the last ten years, they've never finished higher than 3rd (tied with three teams in 00-01 season). Cindy's been recruiting hard there for 10 years and deserves this success. I just hope they don't pull something like LAX did in 05-06, going 14-0 to start the season then losing the next 8 of 12. They seem pretty legit so far, we'll find out a lot more about them on Jan. 6th.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 30, 2009, 06:21:07 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 30, 2009, 06:21:07 PM
I always wish Cindy well - except when her team is playing Stout.
She's was one of Coach T's star's, and is in the Stout Athletic Hall of Fame (I was at her induction).
She's was one of Coach T's star's, and is in the Stout Athletic Hall of Fame (I was at her induction).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2009, 08:53:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2009, 08:53:36 PM
The WARHAWKS are playing like a team that hasn't played in a week and a half and trail Madison Edgewood by 8 points at the half 42-34. Shooting 39% from the floor and turning it over a ridiculous 19 times in the half is killing us. Emily Decorah leads Edgewood with 13 points while Nicole Bundy is pacing the WARHAWKS with 7 points.
We better play a whole lot better in the second half or this is going to be an nasty loss.
Edgewood led by as many as 10 points in the second half. The WARHAWKS got within 2 on a couple of occassions but couldn't get over the hump until about three and half minutes remained when a pair of free throws by Heidi Sonntag tied the game at 60-60. After each team turned the ball over Edgewood regained the lead 61-60. The WARHAWKS took their first second half lead 62-61 on a jump shot by Melissa Olson and had a chance to add to it but turned the ball over. Edgewood then retook the lead 64-62 on a three point basket but Sonntag answered with a three pointer for the WARHAWKS to go back up 65-64. Edgewood missed their next shot and after being fouled Kelsey Hendrickson sank both free throws and created the final score 67-64 with 3.7 seconds to go. Edgewood got the ball all the way down the floor and got a good look from the left wing but missed the shot.
Hendrickson had 12 points and 6 assists. Nicole Bundy also scored 12 points. Sonntag led the WARHAWKS with 13 points. Cortney Kumerow led all rebounders with 11 boards as the WARHAWKS won the battle of the boards 32-24.
A nail biter but a W none the less. We'll have to play 300% better on Saturday if we expect to be competitive with #1 ranked Illinois Wesleyan. The WARHAWKS will be playing on their second game on the home court.
We better play a whole lot better in the second half or this is going to be an nasty loss.
Edgewood led by as many as 10 points in the second half. The WARHAWKS got within 2 on a couple of occassions but couldn't get over the hump until about three and half minutes remained when a pair of free throws by Heidi Sonntag tied the game at 60-60. After each team turned the ball over Edgewood regained the lead 61-60. The WARHAWKS took their first second half lead 62-61 on a jump shot by Melissa Olson and had a chance to add to it but turned the ball over. Edgewood then retook the lead 64-62 on a three point basket but Sonntag answered with a three pointer for the WARHAWKS to go back up 65-64. Edgewood missed their next shot and after being fouled Kelsey Hendrickson sank both free throws and created the final score 67-64 with 3.7 seconds to go. Edgewood got the ball all the way down the floor and got a good look from the left wing but missed the shot.
Hendrickson had 12 points and 6 assists. Nicole Bundy also scored 12 points. Sonntag led the WARHAWKS with 13 points. Cortney Kumerow led all rebounders with 11 boards as the WARHAWKS won the battle of the boards 32-24.
A nail biter but a W none the less. We'll have to play 300% better on Saturday if we expect to be competitive with #1 ranked Illinois Wesleyan. The WARHAWKS will be playing on their second game on the home court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on December 30, 2009, 09:11:25 PM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on December 30, 2009, 09:11:25 PM
SP picks up 2 more victories winning the Land Of Magic Classic. Both close games close however:
59-56 vs. Concordia
54-52 vs. UMW
Hopefully the streak will continue on 1-6-10 when they take on the Titans.
59-56 vs. Concordia
54-52 vs. UMW
Hopefully the streak will continue on 1-6-10 when they take on the Titans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2009, 11:13:11 PM
Post by: buf on December 30, 2009, 11:13:11 PM
UWEC drops another one out west, 50-43, to Pacific Lutheran. Turnover margin only -2. However, they shot very poorly.
UWL hits 2 FTs with 4sec left for a 1-point victory over Dubuque.
UWO wins a pair out in Arizona.
UWL hits 2 FTs with 4sec left for a 1-point victory over Dubuque.
UWO wins a pair out in Arizona.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 31, 2009, 10:26:40 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 31, 2009, 10:26:40 AM
2 wins for UWL this week. I expect a solid second half season from this team. They are very athletic and seem to have a balanced scoring attack coming together to go with an extremely solid defense. An 8-4 finish to the season would put this team at 9-7 in the conference. I would call that a very successful year for this team that will not lose any players heading into next season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 31, 2009, 11:32:01 AM
Post by: UWRF on December 31, 2009, 11:32:01 AM
The only thing that scares me about the Falcons is their inability to put teams away. They let Northwestern and Oshkosh (EC too) hang around, both teams they should have pounded. RF is going to lose a game or two that they shouldnt cause they are going to allow a inferior team to have a chance to win late.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on December 31, 2009, 11:45:26 AM
Post by: jam8788 on December 31, 2009, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: buf on December 30, 2009, 11:13:11 PM
UWEC drops another one out west, 50-43, to Pacific Lutheran. Turnover margin only -2. However, they shot very poorly.
UWL hits 2 FTs with 4sec left for a 1-point victory over Dubuque.
UWO wins a pair out in Arizona.
After looking at the UWEC v PLU box score, I noticed that that the PLU head coach is Kelly Warnke, an old UWO alum and coach.
I also saw that UWW played Southwestern University in Vegas, who is coached by ex-UWO coach Pam Ruder and also a UWW alum. Interesting how both coaches schedule WIAC teams after they've left the conference. The WIAC coaching tree just keeps getting bigger.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 31, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
Post by: billys on December 31, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 31, 2009, 10:26:40 AMIF they could go 8-4 that would be a great year. That's a pretty high expectation but I guess it could be possible. I'm not believing until they beat someone good; their non-conference schedule was pretty weak.
2 wins for UWL this week. I expect a solid second half season from this team. They are very athletic and seem to have a balanced scoring attack coming together to go with an extremely solid defense. An 8-4 finish to the season would put this team at 9-7 in the conference. I would call that a very successful year for this team that will not lose any players heading into next season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 02, 2010, 10:05:50 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 02, 2010, 10:05:50 AM
This is a link to a feature article in the Eau Claire Leader Telegram about Coach T.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/promos/article_8bde46f2-f49b-11de-a9b2-001cc4c03286.html
It's a long read, but it will give you some very good insight to the man and his passion for sports!
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This guy is one of my best friends - and I know it's well known on this board that I am staunch backer of Coach T - but if you read this, you might start to understand why!
http://www.leadertelegram.com/promos/article_8bde46f2-f49b-11de-a9b2-001cc4c03286.html
It's a long read, but it will give you some very good insight to the man and his passion for sports!
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This guy is one of my best friends - and I know it's well known on this board that I am staunch backer of Coach T - but if you read this, you might start to understand why!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 02, 2010, 01:13:42 PM
Post by: buf on January 02, 2010, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 02, 2010, 10:05:50 AM
This is a link to a feature article in the Eau Claire Leader Telegram about Coach T.
http://www.leadertelegram.com/promos/article_8bde46f2-f49b-11de-a9b2-001cc4c03286.html
It's a long read, but it will give you some very good insight to the man and his passion for sports!
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This guy is one of my best friends - and I know it's well known on this board that I am staunch backer of Coach T - but if you read this, you might start to understand why!
Nice read!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 02, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
Stout is lucky to have a coach so committed to the university.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2010, 01:11:37 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2010, 01:11:37 PM
WARHAWKS...58
Illinois Wesleyan...87
This game was probably even uglier than the final score suggests. The WARHAWKS were outplayed in every way imaginable. There's a good reason Illinois Wesleyan is the top ranked team in the country. They are very, very good. Their pressure defense forced 27 WARHAWK turnovers and prevented any sort of offensive flow for forty minutes. They reached the bonus within the first seven minutes of each half and ended up shooting 32 free throws to just 12 for the WARHAWKS.
Kelsey Hendrickson was the only WARHAWK to reach double figures with 16 points. She also had 2 steals to give her 57 on the season. IWU was led by Nikki Preston, a player who came into the game averaging 9.9 points, who had 19 at the half on 4-6 three point baskets, 7-8 from the free throw line and finished with 25 points. It was that kind of a night.
The WARHAWKS will host Clarke College on Wednesday before River Falls comes to town for a Saturday men and women double hitter. Hopefully we can put this embarrassment behind us, refocus and get back on track.
Illinois Wesleyan...87
This game was probably even uglier than the final score suggests. The WARHAWKS were outplayed in every way imaginable. There's a good reason Illinois Wesleyan is the top ranked team in the country. They are very, very good. Their pressure defense forced 27 WARHAWK turnovers and prevented any sort of offensive flow for forty minutes. They reached the bonus within the first seven minutes of each half and ended up shooting 32 free throws to just 12 for the WARHAWKS.
Kelsey Hendrickson was the only WARHAWK to reach double figures with 16 points. She also had 2 steals to give her 57 on the season. IWU was led by Nikki Preston, a player who came into the game averaging 9.9 points, who had 19 at the half on 4-6 three point baskets, 7-8 from the free throw line and finished with 25 points. It was that kind of a night.
The WARHAWKS will host Clarke College on Wednesday before River Falls comes to town for a Saturday men and women double hitter. Hopefully we can put this embarrassment behind us, refocus and get back on track.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 03, 2010, 07:29:37 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 03, 2010, 07:29:37 PM
Looks like the WIAC had a good Holiday break
2009-10 Standings (Through 1/2)
School WIAC
W-L Overall
W-L
River Falls 4-0 12-0
4-0 during break. One impressive win over Washington Jefferson
Whitewater 3-1 9-3
2-2 two losses to very good teams incliding #1 in country
Stout 3-1 7-5
1-1 , beat #8 Trinty TX
Platteville 2-1 9-3
2-1, only loss to #23 St Norbert
Eau Claire 2-2 3-10
0-4, how a program can turn fast
Stevens Point 1-2 8-3
2-0, two close but good wins
La Crosse 1-3 9-4
3-0, two good wins
Superior 0-3 5-6
1-2, one bad loss, one good loss
Oshkosh 0-3 5-7
4-1, watch out for this team
Well here we go. Great match ups this week. I still think the WIAC winner ends up with 3-5 losses this year.
2009-10 Standings (Through 1/2)
School WIAC
W-L Overall
W-L
River Falls 4-0 12-0
4-0 during break. One impressive win over Washington Jefferson
Whitewater 3-1 9-3
2-2 two losses to very good teams incliding #1 in country
Stout 3-1 7-5
1-1 , beat #8 Trinty TX
Platteville 2-1 9-3
2-1, only loss to #23 St Norbert
Eau Claire 2-2 3-10
0-4, how a program can turn fast
Stevens Point 1-2 8-3
2-0, two close but good wins
La Crosse 1-3 9-4
3-0, two good wins
Superior 0-3 5-6
1-2, one bad loss, one good loss
Oshkosh 0-3 5-7
4-1, watch out for this team
Well here we go. Great match ups this week. I still think the WIAC winner ends up with 3-5 losses this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 06, 2010, 10:35:05 PM
Post by: buf on January 06, 2010, 10:35:05 PM
EC finally limits its turnovers and crushes UWP. Good shooting night for Olson and Mesick with another double-double
Point wins a close one over UWO
UWL over Superior
UWW uses a huge 2nd half to cruise past Clarke
RF defeats Stout in OT. Stout was down by 9 and came back to tie to force the OT.
Point wins a close one over UWO
UWL over Superior
UWW uses a huge 2nd half to cruise past Clarke
RF defeats Stout in OT. Stout was down by 9 and came back to tie to force the OT.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 07, 2010, 12:38:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 07, 2010, 12:38:30 AM
Quote from: buf on January 06, 2010, 10:35:05 PM
RF defeats Stout in OT. Stout was down by 9 and came back to tie to force the OT.
Just got home from the game. Hard fought game by both squads.
River managed to take leads in both the first and second halfs - up by 6 in the first half with under 6 to go and Stout closed it to 25 - 23 at the half. In the second half, as buf mentioned, River was up by 9 with 6:30 to go when Stout started an 18 - 7 run to take a 2 point lead with 1:16 left on the clock.
River took the ball down court and missed a pair of shots, but got the rebound on both. Then Stout forced a turnover and it looked like Stout might sneak it out before a steal by Tiffany Gregorich. She was fouled with 16 seconds left - made both free throws to knot the score at 59 all.
Stout had 16 seconds left, but failed to get the ball to go through the hoop on the last shot in regulation...
OT was back and forth, and Stout trailed by 1 point with 9 seconds left and was forced to foul. Both FT's were made making it a 3 point game and Stout's last second shot missed - game over.
Congrats to River on a well played game!
A sidenote - about midway through the 1st half, Freshman Lauren Demski went down with what appeared to be a knee injury. She was taken to the hospital, but I don't know how serious the injury is.
Hopefully it isn't too bad and she can return to the team this year!
and up by
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on January 07, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on January 07, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
Good for Stout taking RF in to OT. Sounds like it was a battle, but look for WW to challenge River come saturday.
Shocking score out of PL with EC dominating the Pioneers. Tonja must have enstilled some hard work over the holiday break, and hopefully they can keep the TOs to a minimum in their upcoming games and continue to bring home the W's.
Not sure what happened in Point, but it must have been a cold night, shooting only 35% from the floor. They've got to tighten it up for Saturday when LX comes to Berg.
Shocking score out of PL with EC dominating the Pioneers. Tonja must have enstilled some hard work over the holiday break, and hopefully they can keep the TOs to a minimum in their upcoming games and continue to bring home the W's.
Not sure what happened in Point, but it must have been a cold night, shooting only 35% from the floor. They've got to tighten it up for Saturday when LX comes to Berg.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2010, 12:18:03 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2010, 12:18:03 PM
WARHAWKS...82
Clarke...53
Two halves couldn't be more different than the two halves of this game. In the first half the WARHAWK starters struggled mightly. Clarke came out and flat out dominated the WARHAWKS scoring first and building a lead that grew to as many as 11 points before the WARHAWKS, behind bench players, rallied and took their first lead, by one, with just six and half minutes remaining in the half. However Clarke retook the lead a short time later and built it to 5 points with two minutes to play. Once again bench players rallied the WARHAWKS and a layup by Megan Theune tied the score 33-33 at the half. Whatever Coach Carollo told her team during the break must have had an impact because the WARHAWK starters came out on fire and went on a 16-5 run to start the second half and never looked back. By the eight minute mark the lead had grown to 20 which is as close as Clarke would get the rest of the way.
Cortney Kumerow led all scorers with 16 points and led the WARHAWKS with 8 rebounds and a pair of blocks. Nicole Bundy added 15 points, Heidi Sonntag 14 points and Theune had a career high 10 points. Clarke had 31 turnovers which included 14 steals by the WARHAWKS. Sonntag led that department with 6 and Kelsey Hendrickson had 3 bringing her conference leading total to 60. Hendrickson also had 4 assists to lead the team. The WARHAWKS had the advantage on the boards 47-38 and from the free throw line 16-26 to 6-15.
Clarke...53
Two halves couldn't be more different than the two halves of this game. In the first half the WARHAWK starters struggled mightly. Clarke came out and flat out dominated the WARHAWKS scoring first and building a lead that grew to as many as 11 points before the WARHAWKS, behind bench players, rallied and took their first lead, by one, with just six and half minutes remaining in the half. However Clarke retook the lead a short time later and built it to 5 points with two minutes to play. Once again bench players rallied the WARHAWKS and a layup by Megan Theune tied the score 33-33 at the half. Whatever Coach Carollo told her team during the break must have had an impact because the WARHAWK starters came out on fire and went on a 16-5 run to start the second half and never looked back. By the eight minute mark the lead had grown to 20 which is as close as Clarke would get the rest of the way.
Cortney Kumerow led all scorers with 16 points and led the WARHAWKS with 8 rebounds and a pair of blocks. Nicole Bundy added 15 points, Heidi Sonntag 14 points and Theune had a career high 10 points. Clarke had 31 turnovers which included 14 steals by the WARHAWKS. Sonntag led that department with 6 and Kelsey Hendrickson had 3 bringing her conference leading total to 60. Hendrickson also had 4 assists to lead the team. The WARHAWKS had the advantage on the boards 47-38 and from the free throw line 16-26 to 6-15.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on January 07, 2010, 02:31:34 PM
Post by: UWRF on January 07, 2010, 02:31:34 PM
BIG BIG BIG game this weekend in Whitewater. I am disappointed that I wont be making the trip. I will for sure be listening to the game.
I expect it to be a battle. If RF just slows the game down and plays their basketball I think we can win that game. Their biggest problem is that we try to go to fast. Thats the kind of game they dont want to get into. Stout did it to them last night and the Blue Devils just about won the game.
RF does a great job of creating turnovers but after they get the turnover they immediately try to turn it into 7 points. ::) The Falcons are much more suited for a slower pace game that they can control with their press.
Im extremely excited to see how this game turns out.
I expect it to be a battle. If RF just slows the game down and plays their basketball I think we can win that game. Their biggest problem is that we try to go to fast. Thats the kind of game they dont want to get into. Stout did it to them last night and the Blue Devils just about won the game.
RF does a great job of creating turnovers but after they get the turnover they immediately try to turn it into 7 points. ::) The Falcons are much more suited for a slower pace game that they can control with their press.
Im extremely excited to see how this game turns out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 07, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 07, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
Champ she went home with her mom last night right knee out for rest of year did left knee in high school
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 08, 2010, 06:39:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 08, 2010, 06:39:41 AM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on January 07, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
Champ she went home with her mom last night right knee out for rest of year did left knee in high school
I was afraid of that. I watched T talking to her where she was sitting on the floor near the Stout bench after the half ended. T was trying to reassure her, but I think they both knew the truth.
Wishing Lauren nothing but the best!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 09, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
Post by: buf on January 09, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
Some scores:
Superior gets 1st conf. win in a while, 59-45 over UWO. Congrats!
Stout's Maslowski hits a game winning basket just before the buzzer and right after a UWP turnover, 86-84. I watched a good chunk of the 2nd half on Stout's video feed. When Hirssig got in foul trouble, Maslowski came up huge and was the go-to person for Stout. Even though Hirssig was in foul trouble she totally dominated when she was in the game, finished with 30pts in what? 20min maybe??
Point over UWL by about 10.
UWW leads undefeated RF, 37-25 at the half.
Superior gets 1st conf. win in a while, 59-45 over UWO. Congrats!
Stout's Maslowski hits a game winning basket just before the buzzer and right after a UWP turnover, 86-84. I watched a good chunk of the 2nd half on Stout's video feed. When Hirssig got in foul trouble, Maslowski came up huge and was the go-to person for Stout. Even though Hirssig was in foul trouble she totally dominated when she was in the game, finished with 30pts in what? 20min maybe??
Point over UWL by about 10.
UWW leads undefeated RF, 37-25 at the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 10, 2010, 07:31:29 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 10, 2010, 07:31:29 AM
Quote from: buf on January 09, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
86-84. I watched a good chunk of the 2nd half on Stout's video feed. When Hirssig got in foul trouble, Maslowski came up huge and was the go-to person for Stout. Even though Hirssig was in foul trouble she totally dominated when she was in the game, finished with 30pts in what? 20min maybe??
Video of the game winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FWbLhBByj0
Hirssig got in 23 minutes before the officials sent her to the bench. It was a FT festival yesterday, with Platteville making 31 of 37 FT's and Stout hitting 20 0f 28. Once again the inconsistency of what the officials were calling as fouls greatly affected the flow of the game. They would call the weakest handchecks and then let flagrant fouls go against both teams.
Stacia Nemitz, younger sister of former Stout player Stephanie Nemitz, was the leading scorer and playmaker for the Pioneers. Sure wish she would have followed her sister's lead and come to Stout! She ended up with 21 points, 4 of 6 on 3 pointers and 7 of 7 from the charity stripe.
As buf mentioned, Hirssig led all players with 30 points and 8 rebounds. She was followed by Maslowski with 17 (13 in the second half). Kayla Windt showed why Coach T recruited her with her excellent guard play - credited for a game high 7 steals, but her aggressive defense must have led to at least as many more forced turnovers.
After Hirssig fouled out with 1:22 remaining, Ashley Wolf made 1 of 2 FT's to tie the game. The teams then traded points of a pair of FT's by Nemitz to take a 2 point lead and then Windt to tie the game up with 37 seconds to go.
Platteville took their time trying to burn most of the clock before shooting what they hoped would by the game winner, but Wolf's shot didn't go and Danielle DeWitt got the rebound with 12 seconds left. Then a pair of turnovers, 1 by each team, in the next 7 seconds of play gave Stout the ball with 5 seconds left and Maz hit the game winner with .3 seconds on the clock!
UWW does down URF by a final score of 76 - 62.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 10, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 10, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on January 07, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
Champ she went home with her mom last night right knee out for rest of year did left knee in high school
Man, that can put a crimp in a player's game. There should be a club for multiple knee injury/ACL people.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2010, 12:47:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2010, 12:47:04 PM
WHITEWATER...76
River Falls...62
The WARHAWKS came out with intensity, scored first on a three-pointer by Heidi Sonntag, and never surrendered the lead for the rest of the game. A pair of Chantel Burg free throws with 7 minutes remaining in the half gave the WARHAWKS their first double digit lead, 26-16, and River Falls never got any closer the rest of the game. The lead was twelve at the half 37-25 and grew to as many as eighteen points in the second half. River Falls would make a run to cut it to eleven a few times but the WARHAWKS would make another run and keep them from getting any closer.
Kelsey Hendrickson had a double-double 18 points/10 rebounds. Burg also had 18 points and Sonntag finished with 17 points. The two teams combined to shoot 68 free throws (WW-30-40, RF-22-28). Hendrickson finished with 3 steals to increase her conference leading total to 63. Led by Megan Theune's 3 assists the WARHAWKS finished with 13 assists on 21 made shots.
River Falls...62
The WARHAWKS came out with intensity, scored first on a three-pointer by Heidi Sonntag, and never surrendered the lead for the rest of the game. A pair of Chantel Burg free throws with 7 minutes remaining in the half gave the WARHAWKS their first double digit lead, 26-16, and River Falls never got any closer the rest of the game. The lead was twelve at the half 37-25 and grew to as many as eighteen points in the second half. River Falls would make a run to cut it to eleven a few times but the WARHAWKS would make another run and keep them from getting any closer.
Kelsey Hendrickson had a double-double 18 points/10 rebounds. Burg also had 18 points and Sonntag finished with 17 points. The two teams combined to shoot 68 free throws (WW-30-40, RF-22-28). Hendrickson finished with 3 steals to increase her conference leading total to 63. Led by Megan Theune's 3 assists the WARHAWKS finished with 13 assists on 21 made shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 11, 2010, 07:14:04 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 11, 2010, 07:14:04 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 10, 2010, 12:35:35 PMMan, that can put a crimp in a player's game. There should be a club for multiple knee injury/ACL people.
You wouldn't know anyone personally that would quailfy, would you??? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on January 11, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Post by: jam8788 on January 11, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Superior wins their first WIAC game in 30 tries! They played a solid 40 minutes. At one point halfway through the 2nd half they were up 20 points. I did see that UWO had a bunch of players in street-clothes and I believe they were all freshmen. Two were actually contributing players, Kitzke and Wenig. UWO could've used them because they missed all 15 three-point attempts. The players didn't appear to be hurt, anyone know what's going on down at UWO?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on January 11, 2010, 11:49:53 AM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on January 11, 2010, 11:49:53 AM
Lots of excitement in the WIAC this weekend. Congrats to Superior on getting that first conference win and hopefully a bit of confidence. The buzzer beater for ST was crazy! My personal favorite moment was on the YouTube clip with Hirssig jumping off the bench with such intensity as that shot trickled in - it's fun watching that kind of passion :)
Caught the game in SP - was a dawg fight but the Pointers got the W. I would really challenge anyone to find a player with better work ethic, hustle and love for the game than #4 Andrea Flease. She is so fun to watch, never takes a play off and a very intricate part of the Pointer program.
Caught the game in SP - was a dawg fight but the Pointers got the W. I would really challenge anyone to find a player with better work ethic, hustle and love for the game than #4 Andrea Flease. She is so fun to watch, never takes a play off and a very intricate part of the Pointer program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: intransitionfor3 on January 11, 2010, 11:49:53 AM
I would really challenge anyone to find a player with better work ethic, hustle and love for the game than #4 Andrea Flease. She is so fun to watch, never takes a play off and a very intricate part of the Pointer program.
Kelsey Hendrickson
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2010, 03:29:24 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2010, 03:29:24 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on January 11, 2010, 11:18:35 AM
Superior wins their first WIAC game in 30 tries! They played a solid 40 minutes. At one point halfway through the 2nd half they were up 20 points. I did see that UWO had a bunch of players in street-clothes and I believe they were all freshmen. Two were actually contributing players, Kitzke and Wenig. UWO could've used them because they missed all 15 three-point attempts. The players didn't appear to be hurt, anyone know what's going on down at UWO?
Saw that in the box score as well. Five freshman not playing. They can't all be injured, so my guess has to be disciplinary reasons. Usually that kind of stuff happens on a trip over break, but they played in the Point game. Will have to see if they are back for the WW game Wednesday. Either way, 0-15 behind the arc isn't going to help under any circumstances.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 11, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 11, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 11, 2010, 07:14:04 AMQuote from: phoenix_rising on January 10, 2010, 12:35:35 PMMan, that can put a crimp in a player's game. There should be a club for multiple knee injury/ACL people.
You wouldn't know anyone personally that would quailfy, would you??? ;)
I know MULTIPLE people who would qualify, sadly. They should have a support group for parents, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 11, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 11, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
I got to see the WW RF game last Saturday. Looks like WW is becoming the class of the WIAC. No surprise here.
As for RF, I can see how they SP, EC, Stout and I think they beat a ranked team over Christmas. However, on this day we took everything away from them.
Congrats to Superior.
"I would really challenge anyone to find a player with better work ethic, hustle and love for the game than #4 Andrea Flease. She is so fun to watch, never takes a play off and a very intricate part of the Pointer program."
As for the heart and sole of teams, I think Flease and Hendrickson are great choices. I think al great teams are led by great leaders and these two are some of the best. However, I am sure the other teams have some great players too.
What are some of the other players? I think Hirssig, Nemitz and Mesick.
Who are some of the others?
As for RF, I can see how they SP, EC, Stout and I think they beat a ranked team over Christmas. However, on this day we took everything away from them.
Congrats to Superior.
"I would really challenge anyone to find a player with better work ethic, hustle and love for the game than #4 Andrea Flease. She is so fun to watch, never takes a play off and a very intricate part of the Pointer program."
As for the heart and sole of teams, I think Flease and Hendrickson are great choices. I think al great teams are led by great leaders and these two are some of the best. However, I am sure the other teams have some great players too.
What are some of the other players? I think Hirssig, Nemitz and Mesick.
Who are some of the others?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 11, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 11, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Superior has a freshman, Connie Urmanski, who is playing far above her class (academic). She shows nice poise and doesn't seem to get too rattled; I think she's going to do nice things up here. As a matter of fact, Superior is playing a pretty young line-up. I'm very hopeful that they stick around and continue to work at improving the team. Especially the sticking around part.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 11, 2010, 07:22:19 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 11, 2010, 07:22:19 PM
I forgot to add the RF WW game comments.
RF does not stop working. It seemed like the whole game they were a few plays away from making this an upset. They are just so young. I think there top minutes were freshmen and Sophomores this game.
House was tough inside and they have a another tough post Dohrn. She is strong. There wings and guards are quick and work hard.
WW is just a better team, as I have said all year, they got great guards and big strong post.
Now sometimes they forget to play hard and look bad, but that happens.
RF does not stop working. It seemed like the whole game they were a few plays away from making this an upset. They are just so young. I think there top minutes were freshmen and Sophomores this game.
House was tough inside and they have a another tough post Dohrn. She is strong. There wings and guards are quick and work hard.
WW is just a better team, as I have said all year, they got great guards and big strong post.
Now sometimes they forget to play hard and look bad, but that happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 12, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
Post by: JMM on January 12, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
Will talk to this when I have more time. Saw Stout play 3 games in the last couple of weeks. Hirsig is absolutely the best in the WIAC. I am really impressed with Kayla Windt. It is a pleasure watching this freshman play. I think the best freshman in the WIAC also one of the best talents I have seen this year. She is super fast and just flows. Also very smart and in full control on the court. I realize UWW is looking better and better but Stout is now my favorite - maybe the tourney. They got some great players and are very mature team. Wish the coach would back off DeWitt a little - looks like high school - Mark (my two cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2010, 09:08:18 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2010, 09:08:18 AM
Stout over Northland last night, 79 - 67.
Another 20+ scoring night for Hirssig, with 9 rebounds in 26 minutes of playing time (with only 1 foul - important after fouling out against Platteville). 9 of 10 from the floor and 100% from the charity stripe.
Joining Hirssig in double digit scoring were Stokke with 15, Windt with 12 (5 of 5 from the floor with a pair of 3 pointers) and DeWitt with 11.
Stacy Bush came off the bench late in the first half - hitting a pair of baskets and a free throw for her 5 points - all in the last 30 seconds to take Stout from a 32 - 35 deficit to a 37 - 35 lead.
Have to agree with JMM on the performance of Windt. She's an absolute pleasure to watch play defense (she leads the team in steals)! And if she can keep her scoring up like it was last night (12 points vs. a 5.2 ppg average) she will be an offensive weapon also... I look forward to watching her throughout her Stout BB career.
Another 20+ scoring night for Hirssig, with 9 rebounds in 26 minutes of playing time (with only 1 foul - important after fouling out against Platteville). 9 of 10 from the floor and 100% from the charity stripe.
Joining Hirssig in double digit scoring were Stokke with 15, Windt with 12 (5 of 5 from the floor with a pair of 3 pointers) and DeWitt with 11.
Stacy Bush came off the bench late in the first half - hitting a pair of baskets and a free throw for her 5 points - all in the last 30 seconds to take Stout from a 32 - 35 deficit to a 37 - 35 lead.
Have to agree with JMM on the performance of Windt. She's an absolute pleasure to watch play defense (she leads the team in steals)! And if she can keep her scoring up like it was last night (12 points vs. a 5.2 ppg average) she will be an offensive weapon also... I look forward to watching her throughout her Stout BB career.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 10:46:29 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 10:46:29 AM
With the WARHAWKS playing at Oshkosh tonight I got to thinking about which teams have been the top four over the past few years. Historically the league had been dominated by Eau Claire, Stevens Point, Stout and Oshkosh. However since the 2006-07 season the WARHAWKS have moved up and replaced Oshkosh as one of the four. Since the 2006-07 season WHITEWATER has the best conference and overall record at 43-10 (WIAC) and 82-19 (Overall). Eau Claire has the second best conference record at 40-13 and the third best overall record at 70-32. Stevens Point has the third best conference record 39-14 and ranks second with an overall record of 79-19. Stout ranks fourth in both conference (37-17) and overall records (65-33).
Coach Keri Carollo has the fourth best winning percentage among active coaches .627 and ranks 12th all time.
Coach Keri Carollo has the fourth best winning percentage among active coaches .627 and ranks 12th all time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 13, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 10:46:29 AMCoach Keri Carollo has the fourth best winning percentage among active coaches .627 and ranks 12th all time.
Coach T taught her (and her assistant) well!!! ;D ;) 8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 13, 2010, 01:42:24 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 10:46:29 AMCoach Keri Carollo has the fourth best winning percentage among active coaches .627 and ranks 12th all time.
Coach T taught her (and her assistant) well!!! ;D ;) 8-)
After I posted I sat and I thought to myself, "now I'll wait for Champ to come and tell me that T has the most wins of all the WIAC women's coaches active or retired." You're slipping :D ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 13, 2010, 10:33:46 PM
Post by: buf on January 13, 2010, 10:33:46 PM
EC over Superior, 57-33.
Both teams played zone, so the pace of the game was really slow. EC won this game by flat out shooting better than Superior. Mesick and Bingea led the charge for EC. Hart played well for Superior.
UWL picks up a big win @ RF, 67-52.
Both teams played zone, so the pace of the game was really slow. EC won this game by flat out shooting better than Superior. Mesick and Bingea led the charge for EC. Hart played well for Superior.
UWL picks up a big win @ RF, 67-52.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 13, 2010, 11:38:41 PM
Post by: JMM on January 13, 2010, 11:38:41 PM
WIAC shacking out some. UWW, UWSP, Stout looking good. UWRF slipping. Saw UWEC tonight. UWEC may be in tune by tournement time. The young team is now up to UWEC standards on defense - they are very, very good. The offense is coming. As I said yesterday, I like Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2010, 08:02:28 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2010, 08:02:28 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2010, 06:29:58 PMAfter I posted I sat and I thought to myself, "now I'll wait for Champ to come and tell me that T has the most wins of all the WIAC women's coaches active or retired." You're slipping :D ;)
I didn't need to remind you of that... It's a well established fact that there isn't a WIAC Head Coach that can catch T's most wins number this year, even if T were to retire today.
There's only one that is even close, and my money says she retires before T does, and she's 27 wins behind.
#3 amongst the active coaches would have to win 20 games per season for a decade after T retires.
#4, 5 and 6 would have to win 20 games per season for about 14 years after T retires.
T will win #400 this season. I really hope it's a home game!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
WHITEWATER...76
Oshkosh...64
Oshkosh led 6-5 early before Chantel Burg made a layup to give the WARHAWKS a lead they would hold for the rest of the game. However the diiferential remained close through the entire half as the largest lead the WARHAWKS were able to build was eight points before the half ended with them on top 37-33. That four point difference was as close at the Titans would get as the WARHAWKS gradually built the lead to double figures over the first ten minutes of the second half and with one exception maintained a double digit lead the rest of the game.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 23 points. Burg finished with a double-double 17 points and 10 rebounds. Cortney Kumerow and Nicole Bundy also finished in double figures with 13 and 10 points respectively. The WARHAWKS had 13 assists on 26 made baskets, a season low 10 turnovers and 8 steals.
Oshkosh...64
Oshkosh led 6-5 early before Chantel Burg made a layup to give the WARHAWKS a lead they would hold for the rest of the game. However the diiferential remained close through the entire half as the largest lead the WARHAWKS were able to build was eight points before the half ended with them on top 37-33. That four point difference was as close at the Titans would get as the WARHAWKS gradually built the lead to double figures over the first ten minutes of the second half and with one exception maintained a double digit lead the rest of the game.
Kelsey Hendrickson led all scorers with 23 points. Burg finished with a double-double 17 points and 10 rebounds. Cortney Kumerow and Nicole Bundy also finished in double figures with 13 and 10 points respectively. The WARHAWKS had 13 assists on 26 made baskets, a season low 10 turnovers and 8 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 02:21:41 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 02:21:41 PM
Hey Champ -
Just for giggles, why don't you crunch the numbers and see how many wins it will take for Coach Thomas to match the top winning percentages of some of the best coaches who have been in the league??? ;)
Here's the rest of the Stout sked, for those keeping track at home... (If I did my math correctly, Coach Thomas needs three wins for 400.)
Jan. 16 at Oshkosh
Jan. 20 at Superior
Jan. 23 home vs. UWRF
Jan. 27 home vs. UWL
all winnable games, so the Devils need to go 3-1 for him to accomplish this feat at home...
and here's where it gets interesting...
Jan. 30 at Whitewater - on the road vs. pupil
Feb. 3 at Point... vs. #2 all-time in wins; tough to win in the Berg
Feb. 6 home again, vs. Oshkosh, on Alumni day, which would be a great day to do so, but I'm thinking Devils fans would want it to happen earlier, because if this is the day it does happen, it would mean Stout is on a 2-4 pace over the last six games...
Feb. 10 home vs. Superior
Feb. 13 at Platteville
and, to close out the regular season
Feb. 20, home against UWEC
we shall see how it plays out...
If it comes down to the last regular season game, I will be surprised... But never-the-less, I'll consider making a trip to the Fieldhouse to tip my cap that day to Coach Thomas if happens that day...
Just for giggles, why don't you crunch the numbers and see how many wins it will take for Coach Thomas to match the top winning percentages of some of the best coaches who have been in the league??? ;)
Here's the rest of the Stout sked, for those keeping track at home... (If I did my math correctly, Coach Thomas needs three wins for 400.)
Jan. 16 at Oshkosh
Jan. 20 at Superior
Jan. 23 home vs. UWRF
Jan. 27 home vs. UWL
all winnable games, so the Devils need to go 3-1 for him to accomplish this feat at home...
and here's where it gets interesting...
Jan. 30 at Whitewater - on the road vs. pupil
Feb. 3 at Point... vs. #2 all-time in wins; tough to win in the Berg
Feb. 6 home again, vs. Oshkosh, on Alumni day, which would be a great day to do so, but I'm thinking Devils fans would want it to happen earlier, because if this is the day it does happen, it would mean Stout is on a 2-4 pace over the last six games...
Feb. 10 home vs. Superior
Feb. 13 at Platteville
and, to close out the regular season
Feb. 20, home against UWEC
we shall see how it plays out...
If it comes down to the last regular season game, I will be surprised... But never-the-less, I'll consider making a trip to the Fieldhouse to tip my cap that day to Coach Thomas if happens that day...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 14, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 02:21:41 PM
Hey Champ -
Just for giggles, why don't you crunch the numbers and see how many wins it will take for Coach Thomas to match the top winning percentages of some of the best coaches who have been in the league??? ;)
You want me to explain that one to you again??? We went through that a long time ago....
T took over a program that hadn't won a game the two previous seasons, and had never had a winning season. It took him a few years of developing and recruiting to take them from 0 and 32 the previous two seasons. His first season was 3 - 13, second season 4 - 12, third season 6 - 10 and then 9 - 7 in year 4 - the first winning season in Stout WBB history.
Considering what T started with, a .659 through last season is a darn good winning percentage.
Not every new HC gets to take over a team that's already locked and loaded to make playoff runs every year that had gone 16 - 0 in the conference the year before he/she took over....
Yup, Tonja has the winning percentage stat at .739 through last season. I'm happy for you and her...
QuoteHere's the rest of the Stout sked, for those keeping track at home... (If I did my math correctly, Coach Thomas needs three wins for 400.)
Jan. 16 at Oshkosh
Jan. 20 at Superior
Jan. 23 home vs. UWRF
Jan. 27 home vs. UWL
Not taking any game for granted, but the River game is when I would like it to happen. That would make for a 5 game winning streak and guarantee the Blue Devils at least a share of second place in the WIAC.
We let the game in River Falls get away from us last week, and I'm looking forward to the rematch at Johnson Field House and possibly going a game up on UWRF at the same time.
QuoteIf it comes down to the last regular season game, I will be surprised... But never-the-less, I'll consider making a trip to the Fieldhouse to tip my cap that day to Coach Thomas if happens that day...
If it comes down to the last game of the regular season for T to get #400, I will buy YOUR ticket to the game.... :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
Yawn. No, Champ, you don't have to explain the history of the Stout program again.
Nothing like a little needling you to get your feathers up, though. Ha.
Nothing like a little needling you to get your feathers up, though. Ha.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 14, 2010, 08:55:26 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 14, 2010, 08:55:26 PM
Will someone show us the average winning percent over the past five years for each program?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 14, 2010, 11:21:05 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 14, 2010, 11:21:05 PM
TEAM 08-09 07-08 06-07 05-06 04-05 TOT PCT
STP 26-4 24-5 18-7 20-8 21-6 109-30 .784
ST 16-11 17-10 23-6 22-8 24-7 102-42 .708
WW 23-5 29-4 19-7 12-14 14-12 97-42 .698
EC 24-6 23-7 19-9 13-13 16-11 95-46 .674
LC 17-9 14-12 13-13 19-8 11-15 74-57 .565
RF 14-12 8-18 16-11 12-14 17-8 67-63 .515
OSH 7-18 10-16 8-16 19-8 22-6 66-64 .508
PLT 8-16 11-15 11-16 10-15 13-13 53-75 .414
SUP 5-20 5-20 8-17 4-20 5-20 27-97 .218
If you go back to STP national title year in 2001-02 then Point's numbers get ridiculous: 189-43 (.815)
One of my favorite WIAC coaching stats is that it took Shirley Egner 11 seasons to win her first 150 games. It then took her 6 seasons plus 11 games to win her next 150 games. Same number of wins in almost half the time!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Just Bill -
How far back do you go as far as WIAC hoops? If I remember correctly, you're an old-timer historian-like poster, correct? ;)
That being said, if my assumption (I hate that word. Ha.) is correct, how would you compare the talent on the Pointer 2002 National champs team with some of the other top teams in league history? I'd be interested to see your take on how some of those teams might match up against each other?
For instance, how do you think the '96 Titans champs would fare against them? And pick a UWEC/WW/Stout team, too, just to make things interesting...
Others, chime in, too.
How far back do you go as far as WIAC hoops? If I remember correctly, you're an old-timer historian-like poster, correct? ;)
That being said, if my assumption (I hate that word. Ha.) is correct, how would you compare the talent on the Pointer 2002 National champs team with some of the other top teams in league history? I'd be interested to see your take on how some of those teams might match up against each other?
For instance, how do you think the '96 Titans champs would fare against them? And pick a UWEC/WW/Stout team, too, just to make things interesting...
Others, chime in, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 07:35:11 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 07:35:11 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
Yawn. No, Champ, you don't have to explain the history of the Stout program again.
Nothing like a little needling you to get your feathers up, though. Ha.
Funny, I thought it was hilarious that (to the best of my knowledge) you haven't posted in this forum since the 2009/2010 WBB season started, and I make a comment about Coach T hitting a milestone that no HC in the WIAC has ever hit before, and all of a sudden - who pops out to talk about winning percentage vs. actual games won???
I have the greatest respect for Shirley Egner, T's closest competitor in career wins, because took over a struggling program and has built a winner like T has.
Neither T's nor Shirley's predecessor totalled 20 WIAC wins. Lisa Stone, Tonja's predecessor won 277 games...
Tonja took over from Lisa, who had a .824 winning percentage and taken the program downhill - including two non winning WIAC seasons.
That's not to say she's a terrible coach. She walked into the best possible situation and has done a decent job. But she has yet to show consistency in fielding highly competitive teams in the WIAC. Tied for 1st, 4th, 1st, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 3rd, tied for 1st and 3rd....
Compare that to her predecessor's 2nd, 1st, tied for 4th, tied for 1st, 1st, tied for 2nd, tied for 1st, 2nd, tied for 1st, 2nd, 2nd and 1st.
All of a sudden, Tonja's .739 doesn't look as impressive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Some would argue that maintaining a dynasty is just as difficult, if not more so, than building one. Not that I'd argue about the job Thomas has done.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Good to see a new officiating face at the UWO/UWW game Wednesday. Mind you, he was still pretty bad, but good to see a new face within the crews. And kudos to the fan in back of the scorers table who TWICE called for a 10-second call as UWO was bringing the ball up. One day you'll get that call, man.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Some would argue that maintaining a dynasty is just as difficult, if not more so, than building one. Not that I'd argue about the job Thomas has done.
Actually, I would argue that maintaining a dynasty is much easier than rebuilding a program. EC has had some very nice players come in as freshman in recent years and then leave the program because they didn't get any PT and I truly believe that's why they find themselves 5-10 at the moment. If you throw those kids a bone every once in a while when you're up 25, maybe they'd stick around and help maintain a program. Last year EC had 2 scholarship type kids in Kaylee Cardinal and Brit Hoover that hardly got off the bench all year. Both kids were "high end" d3 recruits and had the ability to play at the scholarship level and Tonja never gave them a sniff so they moved on this year. If I were a HS senior looking to play in college I wouldn't go anywhere near that program, given its track record of letting solid freshman players rot on the bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2010, 02:00:25 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2010, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Good to see a new officiating face at the UWO/UWW game Wednesday. Mind you, he was still pretty bad, but good to see a new face within the crews. And kudos to the fan in back of the scorers table who TWICE called for a 10-second call as UWO was bringing the ball up. One day you'll get that call, man.
I don't think I've attended a college women's game in my life where I didn't hear that at least once. You'd think after 20 years people would get it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 15, 2010, 02:28:20 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 15, 2010, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2010, 02:00:25 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Good to see a new officiating face at the UWO/UWW game Wednesday. Mind you, he was still pretty bad, but good to see a new face within the crews. And kudos to the fan in back of the scorers table who TWICE called for a 10-second call as UWO was bringing the ball up. One day you'll get that call, man.
I don't think I've attended a college women's game in my life where I didn't hear that at least once. You'd think after 20 years people would get it.
You gotta love that one... Always makes me laugh.
I did however have my first one of those moments this year. The newer rule where you can turn over when you are on the ground with the ball and not get called for traveling. Some how I had never heard of that and am still baffled by it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
Champ says, regarding Coach Englund =
That's not to say she's a terrible coach. She walked into the best possible situation and has done a decent job. But she has yet to show consistency in fielding highly competitive teams in the WIAC. Tied for 1st, 4th, 1st, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 3rd, tied for 1st and 3rd....
She's done pretty well on the big stage in the NCAA tournament during her tenure in the conference; her wins are second among active coaches there during that time...
Oh wait. She inherited one of those teams. All she, as a rookie collegiate coach, had to do was wind them up, let 'em go, and sit back and have a smoke. Ha.
You are right. She walked into the best possible situation. It's always easy so for a new head coach to fill in the big shoes and not feel the pressure to win and continue what her predecessor has done. It's always easier staying on the top of the mountain, rather than making that climb up... After all, in the history of sports, every team that has been loaded prior to a new coach coming in has continued to win, right? Ha.
By the way... Did Lisa Stone inherit a loaded team? I think not. Go back that far and check the records... Then, combine her record and Englund's over their time and see how their combined totals stack up to the two coaches with the most wins in conference history. Oh, no. Wait. That's not fair; we can't compare the 20 years of Blugold basketball over that time to Point and Stout, because UWEC has had two coaches, not just one, like those programs. I forget... Ha.
It's too bad Lisa Stone didn't stick around, instead of eventually moving up to D1 programs. Ha.
Hoops junkie = where are the two players you mentioned who left UWEC playing now? Seems to me they would have had their opportunities to get some minutes this year on a team that has but one senior, as opposed to one with three senior guards, two of whom were all conference, last year???
There. I'm done. You can have the last word, Champ, seeings I'm sure you'll take it.
That's not to say she's a terrible coach. She walked into the best possible situation and has done a decent job. But she has yet to show consistency in fielding highly competitive teams in the WIAC. Tied for 1st, 4th, 1st, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 3rd, tied for 1st and 3rd....
She's done pretty well on the big stage in the NCAA tournament during her tenure in the conference; her wins are second among active coaches there during that time...
Oh wait. She inherited one of those teams. All she, as a rookie collegiate coach, had to do was wind them up, let 'em go, and sit back and have a smoke. Ha.
You are right. She walked into the best possible situation. It's always easy so for a new head coach to fill in the big shoes and not feel the pressure to win and continue what her predecessor has done. It's always easier staying on the top of the mountain, rather than making that climb up... After all, in the history of sports, every team that has been loaded prior to a new coach coming in has continued to win, right? Ha.
By the way... Did Lisa Stone inherit a loaded team? I think not. Go back that far and check the records... Then, combine her record and Englund's over their time and see how their combined totals stack up to the two coaches with the most wins in conference history. Oh, no. Wait. That's not fair; we can't compare the 20 years of Blugold basketball over that time to Point and Stout, because UWEC has had two coaches, not just one, like those programs. I forget... Ha.
It's too bad Lisa Stone didn't stick around, instead of eventually moving up to D1 programs. Ha.
Hoops junkie = where are the two players you mentioned who left UWEC playing now? Seems to me they would have had their opportunities to get some minutes this year on a team that has but one senior, as opposed to one with three senior guards, two of whom were all conference, last year???
There. I'm done. You can have the last word, Champ, seeings I'm sure you'll take it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 03:29:42 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 03:29:42 PM
I believe Brittni Hoover transferred to St. Mary's. Coming out of HS, I believe she was offered a scholarship to University of Mary (d2) and I know that there were other scholarship type suitors trying to get in with her when they heard she was looking to transfer and the same is true for Cardinal. Idk if those schools were D2's or JUCOs or what, but I heard that there were scholarship schools in pursuit of both. Here's a link from a post on wissports I found in regards to the whole retention of players situation at EC...
http://www.wissports.net/playground/tm.aspx?m=1095060
http://www.wissports.net/playground/tm.aspx?m=1095060
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 06:07:35 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 06:07:35 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
By the way... Did Lisa Stone inherit a loaded team? I think not. Go back that far and check the records... Then, combine her record and Englund's over their time and see how their combined totals stack up to the two coaches with the most wins in conference history. Oh, no. Wait. That's not fair; we can't compare the 20 years of Blugold basketball over that time to Point and Stout, because UWEC has had two coaches, not just one, like those programs. I forget... Ha.
When have I EVER said anything bad about Lisa Stone. I think, and always have, that her record at UWEC was outstanding. Did you notice I used her record of excellence to compare to Tonja's???
Lisa built a program, just like Coach T has done. Of course, the UWEC program was not the shambles that Stout's was (UWEC was 8 - 8 (17 - 10 overall) the seaon before Lisa started and had had 3 consecutive losing seasons in conference before that.
However Stout hadn't won 8 conference games in their history prior to Coach T.
Regardless, Lisa Stone is not a WIAC coach anymore. She moved up. Good for her.
QuoteThere. I'm done. You can have the last word, Champ, seeings I'm sure you'll take it.
If you didn't want to have this discussion, why did YOU start it?
Like I posted earlier, YOU hadn't made a single post on the WIAC WBB forum since the season started.
YOU came in and took a shot at Coach T, and when it backfired on YOU, it's time to run away and hide.
Have a nice day, bulk...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Some would argue that maintaining a dynasty is just as difficult, if not more so, than building one. Not that I'd argue about the job Thomas has done.
There is some merit to your position, BW.
But when the only point that a certain poster wants to make is winning percentage, taking over a dynasty sure makes it easier to have a good WP, vs. taking over a team that effectively had no WBB program.
Now if that poster's favorite coach had gone up to Superior and taken over that program and after 9 years had a .739 winning percentage (through last season - it's lower now), I could see him making the case against Coach T's 397 wins to her 190.
But she didn't. She took over a dynasty.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 09:09:42 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 15, 2010, 06:07:35 PMQuote from: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
By the way... Did Lisa Stone inherit a loaded team? I think not. Go back that far and check the records... Then, combine her record and Englund's over their time and see how their combined totals stack up to the two coaches with the most wins in conference history. Oh, no. Wait. That's not fair; we can't compare the 20 years of Blugold basketball over that time to Point and Stout, because UWEC has had two coaches, not just one, like those programs. I forget... Ha.
When have I EVER said anything bad about Lisa Stone. I think, and always have, that her record at UWEC was outstanding. Did you notice I used her record of excellence to compare to Tonja's???
Lisa built a program, just like Coach T has done. Of course, the UWEC program was not the shambles that Stout's was (UWEC was 8 - 8 (17 - 10 overall) the seaon before Lisa started and had had 3 consecutive losing seasons in conference before that.
However Stout hadn't won 8 conference games in their history prior to Coach T.
Regardless, Lisa Stone is not a WIAC coach anymore. She moved up. Good for her.QuoteThere. I'm done. You can have the last word, Champ, seeings I'm sure you'll take it.
If you didn't want to have this discussion, why did YOU start it?
Like I posted earlier, YOU hadn't made a single post on the WIAC WBB forum since the season started.
YOU came in and took a shot at Coach T, and when it backfired on YOU, it's time to run away and hide.
Have a nice day, bulk...
Sorry, Champ. I don't run and hide. You fell for the head fake. Ha. You sure get your feathers ruffled up when I needle you about winning percentages. Ha. I'll try not to poke or jab you any more, seeings you are so sensitive...
Let the record show you first brought up the 400 wins, and compared Coach T to his current coaching colleagues... Can one not comment on your posts? Or is your word gospel, the be all and end all, the only voice that matters?
In your post you were the one who brought up the other coaches, and proceeded to project how long it would take for the others to reach that mark.... Sorry, pal. You did the math and made the projections, not me. But if you want to play that game, project out how many wins Stone would have in a 23-year career at UWEC had she stayed there... Play with those numbers and see who would be the all-time leader in wins... Or are you the only one on here who is allowed to project out stats and speculate???
Coach Thomas is a great coach; I didn't take a shot at him, nor have I ever said you've said Stone is a bad coach. (Your mentioning the other coaches in your post could be construed as cheap shots, too, by the way.) But when one wants to base a conference record that is based in part on longevity, one must consider all the factors. Point being, UWEC has had two coaches over that time period, who, combined, have a better winning percentage and more wins than Coach Thomas.
As far as my not posting this season? Your point is? I've been active on other D3 boards here daily... And I've followed this forum daily, and the league, far, far, far longer than you have. But I don't generally feel it's fair to analyze or comment on games I have not seen (or, in some cases, heard on the radio), so I haven't posted. I don't merely regurgitate from the box score... I haven't seen the 'Golds this season.
Hey Champ? By the way? How do you know Coach Englund is my favorite coach? How do you know it isn't Stone? How do you know, since I also attended UWSP for post-graduate studies, that it isn't Egner?
:D
Also, since you like facts so much. You might want to correct Coach Englund's career win total. Ha.
Ok. Your turn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 15, 2010, 10:30:44 PM
Post by: billys on January 15, 2010, 10:30:44 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 03:29:42 PMI think this is a good discussion but I think there's a different perspective on the same idea that is working against UWEC and could soon start working against some of the other top dogs. (I'll also add I don't think Hoover and Cardinal were scholarship-type kids ... not at a good scholarship program at least, which University of Mary is not)
I believe Brittni Hoover transferred to St. Mary's. Coming out of HS, I believe she was offered a scholarship to University of Mary (d2) and I know that there were other scholarship type suitors trying to get in with her when they heard she was looking to transfer and the same is true for Cardinal. Idk if those schools were D2's or JUCOs or what, but I heard that there were scholarship schools in pursuit of both. Here's a link from a post on wissports I found in regards to the whole retention of players situation at EC...
http://www.wissports.net/playground/tm.aspx?m=1095060
At any rate; I believe the perception at UWEC the last few years based on all the defections is ... recruit 10 kids to come in every year; 2 play the other 8 get left behind when the next class of 10 comes in ... repeat. Therefore you take the 2 kids that can help you right away and don't develop the rest; or many of the rest. So high school coaches are hesitant to push their kids to UWEC cause if they're not ready immediately they're going to be done or have to transfer. There's a natual weeding out process because as well all know as good as you were in high school sometimes you just can't play in the college game. Happens all the time. That said, there is also a lot of trust in the process and the message the coach gives a kid at the D3 level. Right now I think the perceived message at EC is not good. Real or not it's out there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2010, 11:16:16 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2010, 11:16:16 PM
Quote from: billys on January 15, 2010, 10:30:44 PMQuote from: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 03:29:42 PMI think this is a good discussion but I think there's a different perspective on the same idea that is working against UWEC and could soon start working against some of the other top dogs. (I'll also add I don't think Hoover and Cardinal were scholarship-type kids ... not at a good scholarship program at least, which University of Mary is not)
I believe Brittni Hoover transferred to St. Mary's. Coming out of HS, I believe she was offered a scholarship to University of Mary (d2) and I know that there were other scholarship type suitors trying to get in with her when they heard she was looking to transfer and the same is true for Cardinal. Idk if those schools were D2's or JUCOs or what, but I heard that there were scholarship schools in pursuit of both. Here's a link from a post on wissports I found in regards to the whole retention of players situation at EC...
http://www.wissports.net/playground/tm.aspx?m=1095060
At any rate; I believe the perception at UWEC the last few years based on all the defections is ... recruit 10 kids to come in every year; 2 play the other 8 get left behind when the next class of 10 comes in ... repeat. Therefore you take the 2 kids that can help you right away and don't develop the rest; or many of the rest. So high school coaches are hesitant to push their kids to UWEC cause if they're not ready immediately they're going to be done or have to transfer. There's a natual weeding out process because as well all know as good as you were in high school sometimes you just can't play in the college game. Happens all the time. That said, there is also a lot of trust in the process and the message the coach gives a kid at the D3 level. Right now I think the perceived message at EC is not good. Real or not it's out there.
Frankly, this is one reason that I tend to gravitate toward Point and Coach Egner. No 25-person rosters, no 12-person recruiting classes. Shirley brings in 5-6 kids a year and commits to them. In return, they commit back to the program. Naturally, 1 or 2 kids might fall off the map, but it’s almost never because they didn’t get a fair shot to earn playing time. When there are only 12-15 kids at practice, everyone’s going to get their chance sooner or later.
This isn’t a criticism of how other schools do it. In fact, in Division III, without scholarships and with student-athletes with wide and varied interests, it makes far more sense to bring a load of kids knowing that many won’t be around for year two. I know Point has been burned with small (2-4 persons) recruiting classes from time to time because of the small pool of players they start with. And Point has also been in some tough spots in terms of depth when the injury bug strikes.
No one can argue with the success of other WIAC programs and I wholeheartedly support each coach running their program as they see fit, but the UWSP way is the method and philosophy that rings truest to me and I feel rings truest to Division III. Even if it occasionally backfires, it’s worth it to me as a fan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 12:11:12 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 14, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
Just Bill -
How far back do you go as far as WIAC hoops? If I remember correctly, you're an old-timer historian-like poster, correct? ;)
That being said, if my assumption (I hate that word. Ha.) is correct, how would you compare the talent on the Pointer 2002 National champs team with some of the other top teams in league history? I'd be interested to see your take on how some of those teams might match up against each other?
For instance, how do you think the '96 Titans champs would fare against them? And pick a UWEC/WW/Stout team, too, just to make things interesting...
Others, chime in, too.
Bulk,
Yes, I'm old. I go back to the 90's but I never did see the 1996 UW-Oshkosh team play. I can't make a genuine evaluation of a team I've never seen, but logic tells me there's a pretty good chance that an undefeated national champ is the best team our league has ever had.
The 2002 Point national champ team is the best I have seen (feel free to calculate my Point bias). They were just more talented at every position than any team I've seen since. Their Achilles' heel of course, was that they simply did not match up well with Stout that year. I believe Point was more talented position-by-position than Stout, but Stout's incredible team speed was something Point couldn't handle.
Those two losses to Stout probably helped set the table for the tournament run. Webster, Marymount and St. Lawrence were all teams that thought they were fast, but they weren't Stout fast. After dealing with Stout, no one else looked as speedy.
Point was just too big for most of D-III to handle. They went 5-7, 5-10, 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 in the starting lineup and then brought athleticism in 5-10 Nechuta and 5-10 Heuer from the bench. And every 6-0 footer could shoot the mid-range jumper. Point would simply look around for the frontcourt player with the best matchup and feed them until the defense changed. Then they'd do it again. Their frontline passed so well, that those high-low, post-to-post passes were nearly indefensible for most teams. Eventually teams would have four and five defenders in the paint and Kraemer and Schmitt could spend all day setting their feet for open three-point shots.
They would sometimes put Nechuta or Heuer in for Schmitt, the point guard, and play 6-0 Schultz at the point. At that point there was simply no matching up with them. They were able to beat Wash U. because no one had ever been able to match up and play Wash U. head on, man-to-man, same offensive style and get away with it for four years. I think Wash U. couldn't believe this team was doing just what they do and beating them with it.
Later in their careers foul trouble would be a constant battle for Nechuta (and to a lesser degree for Heuer), but imagine them on this team when they were only playing 15 minutes a game. They could play full speed, all out, wreak havoc for five minutes at a time and not have to worry about playing long enough to foul out. A common line for Nechuta might be 12 points, 7 rebounds, 5 steal, 3 fouls in 14 minutes.
I've always felt the 2003 Eau Claire team was almost a carbon copy of the 2002 Point team. Experienced front court, that opened up wide open three point looks, and a handful of defenders who can shut down the other team's best player. They looked so much like last year's UWSP team that it seemed scary at times.
I think Stout's best teams that I saw were the Duoss-led 2006 and 2007 teams that went to the NCAA's. Coach T recognized that he had a stud in the middle and if he pulled back the reins on the run-and-gun, just a little bit, it would give them a chance to get Duoss the ball more often. That slight (and brilliant) concession by Coach T to slow down the pace just a little bit, made all the difference in the world. There were other times in Stout's past that they had a potentially dominant post player (Bree Mahone, anyone?), but seemed so committed to playing fast that they couldn't get their post player involved before shooting a 3 or throwing it away. In 2006 and 2007, Coach T found that balance and Stout's opponents were in trouble. IF you beat them down the court and avoided giving up the layup, they could wait for Duoss and pound the ball inside for a layup or a kick out three. That's just too many options for most D-III teams to defend for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:26:25 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:26:25 AM
I believe the word deflections may be an assumption? It does suggest negative connotations, however...
A player would only be deflecting if he/she goes to another school and continues playing there, right? Do we have numbers on how many players "deflect" from one school to another? Because he/she is not on the roster, does that mean he/she actually did so? Or did the player choose not to play? I'm not prepared to make those assumptions...
I didn't realize that a person who was recruited one year and on the roster automatically gets that spot the next year? Perhaps the person has been beaten out by players who are just plain better and fit the system better?
Or perhaps the student transfered for academic purposes??? This level, after all, does emphasize the student part of the equation.
Or, perhaps the person did indeed go to further her athletics career and playing time...
But in the case of UWEC, and the link provided, I don't know that it has been established that the three players in question deflected. One player, I believe, is still at UWEC. Perhaps she is transferring. The other, if I remember correctly, is still there, too, but has had injuries and may have decided to hang it up. The third player listed? I have not been able to track her down, to see if she had in fact "deflected."
I'm not being critical of other coaches, either... I just think deflected is a negative term... Is that what we call those who come from other schools, who transfer into programs, as well?
I would tend to believe that the respective coaches in the league emphasize their philosophies/styles and expectations, so the recruits have some idea of what will be in store for them. Things may not always turn out that way, however.
As far as EC goes, though, over the last few seasons, the upperclassmen, seniors especially, play. Any recruit who looks at the stats can see that. Although the irony this year is that there is but one senior and two juniors on the Blugold roster...
As far back as the archives go, the list of recruits at UWEC for the last five years has not been 10, but for one season, when 6 of them stayed all four years...
Else, it's been 7, 7, 5, 4 and the 10...
A player would only be deflecting if he/she goes to another school and continues playing there, right? Do we have numbers on how many players "deflect" from one school to another? Because he/she is not on the roster, does that mean he/she actually did so? Or did the player choose not to play? I'm not prepared to make those assumptions...
I didn't realize that a person who was recruited one year and on the roster automatically gets that spot the next year? Perhaps the person has been beaten out by players who are just plain better and fit the system better?
Or perhaps the student transfered for academic purposes??? This level, after all, does emphasize the student part of the equation.
Or, perhaps the person did indeed go to further her athletics career and playing time...
But in the case of UWEC, and the link provided, I don't know that it has been established that the three players in question deflected. One player, I believe, is still at UWEC. Perhaps she is transferring. The other, if I remember correctly, is still there, too, but has had injuries and may have decided to hang it up. The third player listed? I have not been able to track her down, to see if she had in fact "deflected."
I'm not being critical of other coaches, either... I just think deflected is a negative term... Is that what we call those who come from other schools, who transfer into programs, as well?
I would tend to believe that the respective coaches in the league emphasize their philosophies/styles and expectations, so the recruits have some idea of what will be in store for them. Things may not always turn out that way, however.
As far as EC goes, though, over the last few seasons, the upperclassmen, seniors especially, play. Any recruit who looks at the stats can see that. Although the irony this year is that there is but one senior and two juniors on the Blugold roster...
As far back as the archives go, the list of recruits at UWEC for the last five years has not been 10, but for one season, when 6 of them stayed all four years...
Else, it's been 7, 7, 5, 4 and the 10...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 12:40:20 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 12:40:20 AM
Defections, not deflections.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:47:04 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:47:04 AM
Great response, Just Bill...
I was fortunate to live in Point for 17 years, and, although I didn't attend as many games during the 01-02 championship season, I was at pert near every one for the 03-04 3rd place team (and both men's championships).
I have a soft spot in my heart for many of those 03-04 players - Heuer would make my team any day, just on her grit, determination and competitiveness...
Schultz? When she got the look in her eye, and took that first step? She left many a player in her wake. Quickest off the dribble I have perhaps ever seen, but wasn't the best FT shooter... Schmitt? Has there ever been any guard better with the ball in her hands at crunch time? She was automatic from the charity stripe... Nechuta, the only knock on her (and my apologies, because I'm sure she could take me in one on one, Ha.) was that she was sort of like a bull in a china shop at times; she had a lot of silly fouls... But she has a ring and some awards, right? ;)
Kraemer perhaps was my favorite... And the frosh, Lechault? Boy, did she really progress from frosh to senior year...
My favorite Blugold team is the 3rd place 2002-03 team, because of the grit it showed after losing a heart-breaker to go to the Finals... That team came back the next day and did win the consolation game, which also went into OT.
I'll skip any thoughts on Oshkosh, because there really doesn't seem to be any who frequent the women's side of the board here... But I have to agree with your thinking about how an undefeated team might get the nod as the best all-time...
I was fortunate to live in Point for 17 years, and, although I didn't attend as many games during the 01-02 championship season, I was at pert near every one for the 03-04 3rd place team (and both men's championships).
I have a soft spot in my heart for many of those 03-04 players - Heuer would make my team any day, just on her grit, determination and competitiveness...
Schultz? When she got the look in her eye, and took that first step? She left many a player in her wake. Quickest off the dribble I have perhaps ever seen, but wasn't the best FT shooter... Schmitt? Has there ever been any guard better with the ball in her hands at crunch time? She was automatic from the charity stripe... Nechuta, the only knock on her (and my apologies, because I'm sure she could take me in one on one, Ha.) was that she was sort of like a bull in a china shop at times; she had a lot of silly fouls... But she has a ring and some awards, right? ;)
Kraemer perhaps was my favorite... And the frosh, Lechault? Boy, did she really progress from frosh to senior year...
My favorite Blugold team is the 3rd place 2002-03 team, because of the grit it showed after losing a heart-breaker to go to the Finals... That team came back the next day and did win the consolation game, which also went into OT.
I'll skip any thoughts on Oshkosh, because there really doesn't seem to be any who frequent the women's side of the board here... But I have to agree with your thinking about how an undefeated team might get the nod as the best all-time...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:48:45 AM
Post by: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:48:45 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 12:40:20 AM
Defections, not deflections.
Nah... they be bouncing around from one gym to another...Er, deflections, right? Ha.
Good catch... That means time for beddy by for me...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2010, 07:16:31 AM
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2010, 07:16:31 AM
Out on a limb - EC over UWW today. At Zorn; the defense is there; The big question is will the young EC team fold to UWW defensive pressure and their own nerves and turn the ball over again and again. Also EC needs to defend the 3pt shot. If they do fold. it won't be pretty. EC needs to start the game out by shooting from the outside and make a few. Will be a fun game to watch and a real test for EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 16, 2010, 09:11:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 16, 2010, 09:11:22 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 15, 2010, 03:07:18 PM
There. I'm done.
I knew you we're lying.... :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 15, 2010, 01:45:37 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
Some would argue that maintaining a dynasty is just as difficult, if not more so, than building one. Not that I'd argue about the job Thomas has done.
Actually, I would argue that maintaining a dynasty is much easier than rebuilding a program. EC has had some very nice players come in as freshman in recent years and then leave the program because they didn't get any PT and I truly believe that's why they find themselves 5-10 at the moment. If you throw those kids a bone every once in a while when you're up 25, maybe they'd stick around and help maintain a program. Last year EC had 2 scholarship type kids in Kaylee Cardinal and Brit Hoover that hardly got off the bench all year. Both kids were "high end" d3 recruits and had the ability to play at the scholarship level and Tonja never gave them a sniff so they moved on this year. If I were a HS senior looking to play in college I wouldn't go anywhere near that program, given its track record of letting solid freshman players rot on the bench.
That was my point exactly. I was referring to Eau Claire maintaining the success they had with Stone coaching.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Good to see a new officiating face at the UWO/UWW game Wednesday. Mind you, he was still pretty bad, but good to see a new face within the crews. And kudos to the fan in back of the scorers table who TWICE called for a 10-second call as UWO was bringing the ball up. One day you'll get that call, man.
I know what you mean. During the men's game an Oshkosh fan was calling for a three second violation when the players were setting up for an out of bounds play and the ball was still being held by the official. Why does it always seem that the fans who know the least are the loudest?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 01:05:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 16, 2010, 12:47:04 AM
Great response, Just Bill...
I was fortunate to live in Point for 17 years, and, although I didn't attend as many games during the 01-02 championship season, I was at pert near every one for the 03-04 3rd place team (and both men's championships).
I have a soft spot in my heart for many of those 03-04 players - Heuer would make my team any day, just on her grit, determination and competitiveness...
Schultz? When she got the look in her eye, and took that first step? She left many a player in her wake. Quickest off the dribble I have perhaps ever seen, but wasn't the best FT shooter... Schmitt? Has there ever been any guard better with the ball in her hands at crunch time? She was automatic from the charity stripe... Nechuta, the only knock on her (and my apologies, because I'm sure she could take me in one on one, Ha.) was that she was sort of like a bull in a china shop at times; she had a lot of silly fouls... But she has a ring and some awards, right? ;)
Kraemer perhaps was my favorite... And the frosh, Lechault? Boy, did she really progress from frosh to senior year...
My favorite Blugold team is the 3rd place 2002-03 team, because of the grit it showed after losing a heart-breaker to go to the Finals... That team came back the next day and did win the consolation game, which also went into OT.
I'll skip any thoughts on Oshkosh, because there really doesn't seem to be any who frequent the women's side of the board here... But I have to agree with your thinking about how an undefeated team might get the nod as the best all-time...
The 2004 WIAC Tournament title game against UW-Oshkosh when Nechuta and Schultz combined for 60 of Point's 91 points was the most amazing two-person performance I have ever seen. At times the two of them appeared to be conducting their own personal lay-up drill.
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/0304/OSHSTP2.HTM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 16, 2010, 05:19:05 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 16, 2010, 05:19:05 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2010, 11:51:44 AMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
Good to see a new officiating face at the UWO/UWW game Wednesday. Mind you, he was still pretty bad, but good to see a new face within the crews. And kudos to the fan in back of the scorers table who TWICE called for a 10-second call as UWO was bringing the ball up. One day you'll get that call, man.
I know what you mean. During the men's game an Oshkosh fan was calling for a three second violation when the players were setting up for an out of bounds play and the ball was still being held by the official. Why does it always seem that the fans who know the least are the loudest?
Agreed. But they were just trying to get any sort of call since the hand check was legal that game.
As far as the pissing match argument, I go back to the 94-95 season at UWO. The 95-96 team was darn good. And a few schools had some good teams that got derailed in tough brackets, mainly by the Wash U dynasty.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
Nice call, JMM. UWEC 57, UWW 53.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 16, 2010, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: buf on January 16, 2010, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 16, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
Nice call, JMM. UWEC 57, UWW 53.
Despite 29 turnovers and some poor FT shooting, EC gets a big win against UWW. EC shoots 49% to UWW's 27%. EC went to work underneath. Both Mesick and Plendl with double-doubles and post sub Halama with 6pts/6rebs. Hendrickson led UWW with 15pts.
EC hanging around the top of the league with a 5-2 record. Now they have to get some road wins.
UWO defeats Stout, 80-68. Hirrsig with 37pts, unreal! Stout needs other players besides Hirrsig and Mas to step up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
UWW and EC was a good game. Hard to beleive EC had so many turnovers. The EC defense is the story, UWW could do nothing inside and many times the shoot clock all but ran down. Another positive for EC is they have learned how to get the ball down and inside to Messick - who usually delivers. Plendil is doing well and Luara Olsen is now a for real guard. EC needs another Guard desparately. Englund has really had to work hard this year - Tonja is delivering. The Plendil/Messick combo is pretty darn good and getting better both on the O and the D.
Will learn more at UWSP Wednesday. I really respect the senior UWW players. It was a delight when I thought how Ms. H and Ms. S will be gone and with the exception of Linder all EC will be back.
Will learn more at UWSP Wednesday. I really respect the senior UWW players. It was a delight when I thought how Ms. H and Ms. S will be gone and with the exception of Linder all EC will be back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 16, 2010, 11:02:11 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 16, 2010, 11:02:11 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 16, 2010, 07:16:31 AM
Out on a limb - EC over UWW today. At Zorn; the defense is there; The big question is will the young EC team fold to UWW defensive pressure and their own nerves and turn the ball over again and again. Also EC needs to defend the 3pt shot. If they do fold. it won't be pretty. EC needs to start the game out by shooting from the outside and make a few. Will be a fun game to watch and a real test for EC.
Nice call!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 16, 2010, 11:06:56 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 16, 2010, 11:06:56 PM
Bad loss for Stout. They need to recruit some guards that can score. Hirrsig is a beast!!! This could be the end of the line for Stout if they don't go out and get some outstanding freshman for next year because outside of that good group of seniors they're VERY limited.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2010, 11:29:41 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2010, 11:29:41 AM
Looks like free throws were the deciding factor in the WW/EC game. Both teams made 17 baskets but EC goes 21 of 37 from the line to WW's 10 of 16, 29 to 14 fouls. Of course it doesn't help much when you fail to score for the final 4:13 of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 17, 2010, 08:45:49 PM
Post by: JMM on January 17, 2010, 08:45:49 PM
EC had a horrible day at the line. Fortunatley their defense reall ystiffled the Warhawks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 20, 2010, 12:40:54 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 20, 2010, 12:40:54 AM
Tomorrow's predictions:
EC @ UWSP
UWO@LAX
UWP @ UWW
Stout@ Superior...I'll take Stout but I think this will be a closer game than expected. Superior always seems to play Stout tough at home.
EC @ UWSP
UWO@LAX
UWP @ UWW
Stout@ Superior...I'll take Stout but I think this will be a closer game than expected. Superior always seems to play Stout tough at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 21, 2010, 01:29:02 AM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 21, 2010, 01:29:02 AM
just got back from sup. tied at half stout goes on a 26 to 2 run the first 11min of second half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 21, 2010, 01:37:11 AM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on January 21, 2010, 01:37:11 AM
my mistake 32 to 2 run in 11 mins
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 21, 2010, 08:22:53 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 21, 2010, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 20, 2010, 12:40:54 AMStout@ Superior...I'll take Stout but I think this will be a closer game than expected. Superior always seems to play Stout tough at home.
I have to cry foult on that.
In the last decade, there has only been one Stout/Superior matchup that was less than a double digit win. That was last year, and Superior, to their credit only lost by 3 points.
But in that decade, the margin in the other 9 games was never lower than 11 and was as high as 38.
The average margin of victory in all 10 games played in Superior (including the 3 pointer last season) over the last decade is 24.9.
The matchups for Saturday:
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-La Crosse
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Oshkosh Oshkosh
UW-Platteville @ UW-Superior Superior
UW-River Falls @ UW-Stout
I'd like for all the home teams to win tomorrow, but I think people will see a little bias in my desire for that.
Stout took River to overtime in River earlier this month. I'd like for Stout to just take care of business at home in regulation!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2010, 10:29:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2010, 10:29:26 AM
WHITEWATER...79
Platteville...65
The outside/inside combo of Nicole Bundy and Courtney Kumerow was too much for Platteville to handle. A pair of three-pointers by Bundy and a layup by Kumerow put the WARHAWKS up 8-2 in the first couple of minutes. The lead quickly grew to double figures and reached a high of 16 points before the Pioneers made a move and cut it to seven, 39-32, at the half. Platteville scored the first basket of the second half to pull within five but that's as close as they would get the rest of the night. With a couple of exceptions the WARHAWK lead remained in single digits until another three-pointer from Bundy put them up 70-58 with five minutes remaining and they coasted to the final horn.
Bundy finished 5-9 from beyond the arch, 11-18 from the floor and with 29 points and 5 rebounds. The WARHAWKS finished 8 of 16 from beyond the arch which stretched the Pioneer defense preventing them from collapsing on Komerow who had a career high 25 points on 12-20 shooting and 5 rebounds. Platteville just didn't have the size to match up with her individually and without help from the outside defenders they had a lot of problems. Kelsey Hendrickson had a nice stat line with 11 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 5 steals. Heidi Sonntag had 7 assists to lead the WARHAWKS who had 21 assists on 32 made shots.
Platteville...65
The outside/inside combo of Nicole Bundy and Courtney Kumerow was too much for Platteville to handle. A pair of three-pointers by Bundy and a layup by Kumerow put the WARHAWKS up 8-2 in the first couple of minutes. The lead quickly grew to double figures and reached a high of 16 points before the Pioneers made a move and cut it to seven, 39-32, at the half. Platteville scored the first basket of the second half to pull within five but that's as close as they would get the rest of the night. With a couple of exceptions the WARHAWK lead remained in single digits until another three-pointer from Bundy put them up 70-58 with five minutes remaining and they coasted to the final horn.
Bundy finished 5-9 from beyond the arch, 11-18 from the floor and with 29 points and 5 rebounds. The WARHAWKS finished 8 of 16 from beyond the arch which stretched the Pioneer defense preventing them from collapsing on Komerow who had a career high 25 points on 12-20 shooting and 5 rebounds. Platteville just didn't have the size to match up with her individually and without help from the outside defenders they had a lot of problems. Kelsey Hendrickson had a nice stat line with 11 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 5 steals. Heidi Sonntag had 7 assists to lead the WARHAWKS who had 21 assists on 32 made shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
UWL has won 7 of their last 8 games after their rough 0-3 start to the conference season. Granted there are only a few quality wins in that stretch you still have to beat the teams that you are supposed to.
That leaves UWL at 4-4 in the conference heading into this weekend. I expect this team to make some noise the rest of the year. This team does not get too down when they lose a game because they feel they can play with anyone. That attitude should lead to more Ws. (See blowout win at RF)
Whoever claimed that the conference winner could have 4 losses this year, your prediction looks pretty good at this point.
That leaves UWL at 4-4 in the conference heading into this weekend. I expect this team to make some noise the rest of the year. This team does not get too down when they lose a game because they feel they can play with anyone. That attitude should lead to more Ws. (See blowout win at RF)
Whoever claimed that the conference winner could have 4 losses this year, your prediction looks pretty good at this point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 21, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 21, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
Whoever claimed that the conference winner could have 4 losses this year, your prediction looks pretty good at this point.
We do frequently beat ourselves up... ;)
Playing in a tough conference makes us better teams, but it sure hurts the national rankings.... :(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Couldn't agree more. What a great conference to be a part of. Nothing on the East or West coasts even comes close to the level of quality of D3 basketball in the midwest! The number of quality teams every year is really something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Couldn't agree more. What a great conference to be a part of. Nothing on the East or West coasts even comes close to the level of quality of D3 basketball in the midwest! The number of quality teams every year is really something.
I would definitely challenge the midwest part including MIAC. I saw a lot of MIAC teams play the last 2 years and after seeing a few WIAC games this year... It is a whole different ball game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 21, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Post by: JMM on January 21, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Took in the SP and EC game. For the first 12 minutes it looked like EC were the champions of the world great defense and the underneath game was the best I have seen at this level. Luckily, for SP the 3 points fell like stars over Alabama. Then the EC gaurd got into foul trouble and down they came. Time for EC to put posters up on campus. They need another guard. How bad - could lose any game where Olson has to sit out, Feel bad for the forwards were have to bring the ball up. They can get it up court but get stuck once over the center line.
Once the trouble started SP devoured EC. SP has killer instict! I love Egner. She is a grand coach. Knew to go with the three pt shots and knew she could back door the EC defense. Smart lady she is. Also think Englund has done a great job but it will be for naught without another guard. Get those posters up.
Once the trouble started SP devoured EC. SP has killer instict! I love Egner. She is a grand coach. Knew to go with the three pt shots and knew she could back door the EC defense. Smart lady she is. Also think Englund has done a great job but it will be for naught without another guard. Get those posters up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 21, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Post by: JMM on January 21, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Saturday's picks:
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-La Crosse EC, if Olson their only guard doesn't have to sit.
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Oshkosh - Point
UW-Platteville @ UW-Superior - Platville
UW-River Falls @ UW-Stout - Stout, they are due to win.
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-La Crosse EC, if Olson their only guard doesn't have to sit.
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Oshkosh - Point
UW-Platteville @ UW-Superior - Platville
UW-River Falls @ UW-Stout - Stout, they are due to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 07:58:46 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 03:46:15 PMQuote from: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Couldn't agree more. What a great conference to be a part of. Nothing on the East or West coasts even comes close to the level of quality of D3 basketball in the midwest! The number of quality teams every year is really something.
I would definitely challenge the midwest part including MIAC. I saw a lot of MIAC teams play the last 2 years and after seeing a few WIAC games this year... It is a whole different ball game.
MIAC is an above average league. How about the CCIW and IIAC conferences or the Ohio Athletic conference and the league in Indiana? Those are all very solid conferences. Not to mentions schools like WashU and Hope that are also in the midwest. It's no contest between the midwest d3 schools and the East and West coast schools.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: sumfun on January 22, 2010, 06:37:33 AM
Post by: sumfun on January 22, 2010, 06:37:33 AM
I'll bet Howard Payne and George Fox (last year's champ) would disagree, as well as some of the NESCAC schools (3 teams in top 25). The midwest may have numbers, but don't discount the coasts for great basketball and come NCAA time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 22, 2010, 02:53:22 PM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 22, 2010, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 07:58:46 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on January 21, 2010, 03:46:15 PMQuote from: hoop_junkie on January 21, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Couldn't agree more. What a great conference to be a part of. Nothing on the East or West coasts even comes close to the level of quality of D3 basketball in the midwest! The number of quality teams every year is really something.
I would definitely challenge the midwest part including MIAC. I saw a lot of MIAC teams play the last 2 years and after seeing a few WIAC games this year... It is a whole different ball game.
MIAC is an above average league. How about the CCIW and IIAC conferences or the Ohio Athletic conference and the league in Indiana? Those are all very solid conferences. Not to mentions schools like WashU and Hope that are also in the midwest. It's no contest between the midwest d3 schools and the East and West coast schools.
Agree, the Midwest is where its at
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:30:00 PM
That was fun, we got to pat each other on the back saying how tough the WIAC is.
I wonder if there is a way to look at non-conference records over a few years. Not sure if that would mean anything.
I tried the Massey ratings.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Top 30 teams by ratings- (wiac has 3 in top 14, and 4 in top 30)
WIAC 4 - SP#7, WW#9, RF#14, LX #30-my cut off
NESCAC- 3 Amherst, Colby,Bowdoin
MIAC - 3 Gust Adolphus, Concordia Moorehead, St Benedict
NWC- 3 George Fox, Puget Sound, Lweis & Clark
No other conference has 3 or more.
There we have WIAC top dag.
I wonder if there is a way to look at non-conference records over a few years. Not sure if that would mean anything.
I tried the Massey ratings.
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Top 30 teams by ratings- (wiac has 3 in top 14, and 4 in top 30)
WIAC 4 - SP#7, WW#9, RF#14, LX #30-my cut off
NESCAC- 3 Amherst, Colby,Bowdoin
MIAC - 3 Gust Adolphus, Concordia Moorehead, St Benedict
NWC- 3 George Fox, Puget Sound, Lweis & Clark
No other conference has 3 or more.
There we have WIAC top dag.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:39:56 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:39:56 PM
Lets talk about something fun. Final WIAC standings.
Here is were we are at half way through.
2009-10 Standings (Through 1/20)
School WIAC
W-L Overall
W-L
River Falls 6-2 14-2
Stevens Point 6-2 14-3
Whitewater 6-2 13-4
Stout 5-3 10-7
Eau Claire 5-3 6-11
La Crosse 4-4 12-5
Platteville 2-6 9-8
Superior 1-7 6-10
Oshkosh 1-7 6-11
My predicted final:
1-2- anyway you want to sort them
WW
SP
3-4-5-6- this will be the dog fight-they all have issues and strengths
RF
ST
LX
EC
7-8-9
Plat
Osh
Sup
By the way, I still believe the winner ends up with 3-5 losses. So we will not know until the last week of play. All games are big, but it seems like each week someone looks greats and someone else stumbles. Then next week it is someone else.
Here is were we are at half way through.
2009-10 Standings (Through 1/20)
School WIAC
W-L Overall
W-L
River Falls 6-2 14-2
Stevens Point 6-2 14-3
Whitewater 6-2 13-4
Stout 5-3 10-7
Eau Claire 5-3 6-11
La Crosse 4-4 12-5
Platteville 2-6 9-8
Superior 1-7 6-10
Oshkosh 1-7 6-11
My predicted final:
1-2- anyway you want to sort them
WW
SP
3-4-5-6- this will be the dog fight-they all have issues and strengths
RF
ST
LX
EC
7-8-9
Plat
Osh
Sup
By the way, I still believe the winner ends up with 3-5 losses. So we will not know until the last week of play. All games are big, but it seems like each week someone looks greats and someone else stumbles. Then next week it is someone else.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
Holy cow, the Massey ratings are it.
At the bottom of the link about it ranks all conferences.
WIAC #1
I guess this will end this discussion. This maybe better then the BSC poll. (ouch, let the discussion start again)
see bottom of this link
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Here is top 25 conferences.
Rank Correlations: Rating 1000 | Power 995 | Offense 872 | Defense 827 | HA -70 | SchP 791 | SchF 791 |
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Rk Conf Tms W L Rating Power Off Def HA Parity
1 Wisconsin IAC 9 54 25 0.142 2.67 65.37 1.48 2.17 0.5753
2 NE Smalls 10 92 24 0.025 0.25 62.69 1.74 2.15 0.3725
3 Ill & Wisc 8 50 36 -0.086 -2.80 62.66 -1.28 2.14 0.3073
4 University AA 8 66 21 -0.089 -2.90 61.09 0.18 2.99 0.3522
5 Northwest 9 38 37 -0.096 -1.96 61.84 0.38 3.09 0.4268
6 Iowa IAC 9 46 34 -0.100 -1.85 65.57 -3.24 2.32 0.4875
7 Minnesota IAC 12 15 23 -0.204 -4.54 61.72 -2.08 0.71 0.4267
8 Little East 8 57 22 -0.256 -5.38 59.12 -0.32 2.13 0.4255
9 Michigan IAA 9 36 39 -0.349 -7.69 58.15 -1.65 2.52 0.3864
10 NAIA 1 167 170 -0.378 -6.20 60.18 -2.19 3.53 1.0000
10 California Pacific 1 18 65 -0.378 -6.20 60.18 -2.19 3.53 1.0000
10 NAIA II 1 233 333 -0.378 -6.20 60.18 -2.19 3.53 1.0000
13 Midwest 10 38 29 -0.386 -8.77 60.12 -4.71 2.99 0.4203
14 Ohio AC 10 37 32 -0.397 -8.82 60.45 -5.10 2.64 0.4757
15 Southern CAC 12 59 39 -0.470 -10.23 61.68 -7.73 4.70 0.4054
16 American SW 15 29 25 -0.471 -10.27 59.37 -5.46 5.85 0.3916
17 New Jersey A.C. 10 62 43 -0.488 -10.56 58.02 -4.41 2.08 0.2811
18 Centennial 11 29 17 -0.492 -10.84 56.40 -3.06 0.94 0.4304
19 Landmark 8 53 26 -0.517 -11.88 56.99 -4.69 2.37 0.3319
20 Mid Atlantic 15 67 63 -0.584 -12.51 56.34 -4.67 2.80 0.4290
21 Empire 8 9 40 32 -0.626 -13.35 56.20 -5.36 1.77 0.4428
22 Southern Cal IAC 8 54 31 -0.636 -14.36 56.08 -6.26 3.08 0.3335
23 Capital 9 37 32 -0.655 -14.42 53.42 -3.65 2.45 0.4141
24 Presidents' AC 10 35 31 -0.660 -14.16 55.19 -5.17 3.73 0.4575
25 Heartland CAC 9 31
At the bottom of the link about it ranks all conferences.
WIAC #1
I guess this will end this discussion. This maybe better then the BSC poll. (ouch, let the discussion start again)
see bottom of this link
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Here is top 25 conferences.
Rank Correlations: Rating 1000 | Power 995 | Offense 872 | Defense 827 | HA -70 | SchP 791 | SchF 791 |
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Rk Conf Tms W L Rating Power Off Def HA Parity
1 Wisconsin IAC 9 54 25 0.142 2.67 65.37 1.48 2.17 0.5753
2 NE Smalls 10 92 24 0.025 0.25 62.69 1.74 2.15 0.3725
3 Ill & Wisc 8 50 36 -0.086 -2.80 62.66 -1.28 2.14 0.3073
4 University AA 8 66 21 -0.089 -2.90 61.09 0.18 2.99 0.3522
5 Northwest 9 38 37 -0.096 -1.96 61.84 0.38 3.09 0.4268
6 Iowa IAC 9 46 34 -0.100 -1.85 65.57 -3.24 2.32 0.4875
7 Minnesota IAC 12 15 23 -0.204 -4.54 61.72 -2.08 0.71 0.4267
8 Little East 8 57 22 -0.256 -5.38 59.12 -0.32 2.13 0.4255
9 Michigan IAA 9 36 39 -0.349 -7.69 58.15 -1.65 2.52 0.3864
10 NAIA 1 167 170 -0.378 -6.20 60.18 -2.19 3.53 1.0000
10 California Pacific 1 18 65 -0.378 -6.20 60.18 -2.19 3.53 1.0000
10 NAIA II 1 233 333 -0.378 -6.20 60.18 -2.19 3.53 1.0000
13 Midwest 10 38 29 -0.386 -8.77 60.12 -4.71 2.99 0.4203
14 Ohio AC 10 37 32 -0.397 -8.82 60.45 -5.10 2.64 0.4757
15 Southern CAC 12 59 39 -0.470 -10.23 61.68 -7.73 4.70 0.4054
16 American SW 15 29 25 -0.471 -10.27 59.37 -5.46 5.85 0.3916
17 New Jersey A.C. 10 62 43 -0.488 -10.56 58.02 -4.41 2.08 0.2811
18 Centennial 11 29 17 -0.492 -10.84 56.40 -3.06 0.94 0.4304
19 Landmark 8 53 26 -0.517 -11.88 56.99 -4.69 2.37 0.3319
20 Mid Atlantic 15 67 63 -0.584 -12.51 56.34 -4.67 2.80 0.4290
21 Empire 8 9 40 32 -0.626 -13.35 56.20 -5.36 1.77 0.4428
22 Southern Cal IAC 8 54 31 -0.636 -14.36 56.08 -6.26 3.08 0.3335
23 Capital 9 37 32 -0.655 -14.42 53.42 -3.65 2.45 0.4141
24 Presidents' AC 10 35 31 -0.660 -14.16 55.19 -5.17 3.73 0.4575
25 Heartland CAC 9 31
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:59:16 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 22, 2010, 05:59:16 PM
I should add in the drop down box select NCAA III
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
Post by: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
EC gets a road "W" at La Crosse, 68-62. Mesick and Plendl again the key, but Laura Olson chipped in with 13 and had just one turnover. 'Golds had 14, but that's a pretty good number for them lately. They also knocked down their FT's down the stretch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Quote from: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
EC gets a road "W" at La Crosse, 68-62. Mesick and Plendl again the key, but Laura Olson chipped in with 13 and had just one turnover. 'Golds had 14, but that's a pretty good number for them lately. They also knocked down their FT's down the stretch.
Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2010, 08:10:04 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2010, 08:10:04 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years.
I have to agree that Mesick is a very good player.
But you haven't watched much WIAC Women's BB if she is the best player you have seen play over the last 4 years.
I think one could argue that she hasn't even been the best player on her own team over the last 4 years.
Players like Heidi Arciszewski, Michelle Burns and Heather Witt could seriously contend for that distinction.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2010, 08:26:59 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2010, 08:26:59 AM
In a rematch of a game earlier this month that went into OT before UWRF pulled out the win, the UW Stout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils made sure that no OT was necessary yesterday in Johnson Fieldhouse.
River started well, pulling out to as much as a 7 point lead in the first 5 minutes and holding that lead til midway through the first half.
But with 8:48 left in the period, Julia Hirssig made good on a layup that put the home team up by 1. At the end of the half, Stout went into the locker room with a 4 point, 39 - 35 lead.
As the second half started, neither team was able to get a ball through the hoop. Missed shots and turnovers were what was happening for over 2 minutes until Kelli Hilt of RF sank a 3 pointer to cut the Stout lead to just 1 point.
The Falcons went on to tie the score twice over the next couple of minutes, but with 13 minutes left to go Stout built their lead to 10 points and from that point on the lead bounced around from 8 - 16 points for the duration of the game.
Kim Stokke led all scorers with 22 points - 14 in the second half - and 8 of those were from the charity stripe. Julia Hirssig scored 20, and had a career high in rebounds with 18. Danielle DeWitt added 14 points for Stout.
Maranda Dohrn led the Falcons with 16 points and 8 rebounds. Tiffany Gregorich netted 10 points.
Next up, UW La Crosse on Wednesday!
River started well, pulling out to as much as a 7 point lead in the first 5 minutes and holding that lead til midway through the first half.
But with 8:48 left in the period, Julia Hirssig made good on a layup that put the home team up by 1. At the end of the half, Stout went into the locker room with a 4 point, 39 - 35 lead.
As the second half started, neither team was able to get a ball through the hoop. Missed shots and turnovers were what was happening for over 2 minutes until Kelli Hilt of RF sank a 3 pointer to cut the Stout lead to just 1 point.
The Falcons went on to tie the score twice over the next couple of minutes, but with 13 minutes left to go Stout built their lead to 10 points and from that point on the lead bounced around from 8 - 16 points for the duration of the game.
Kim Stokke led all scorers with 22 points - 14 in the second half - and 8 of those were from the charity stripe. Julia Hirssig scored 20, and had a career high in rebounds with 18. Danielle DeWitt added 14 points for Stout.
Maranda Dohrn led the Falcons with 16 points and 8 rebounds. Tiffany Gregorich netted 10 points.
Next up, UW La Crosse on Wednesday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2010, 11:10:54 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2010, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AMQuote from: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
EC gets a road "W" at La Crosse, 68-62. Mesick and Plendl again the key, but Laura Olson chipped in with 13 and had just one turnover. 'Golds had 14, but that's a pretty good number for them lately. They also knocked down their FT's down the stretch.
Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years.
There's a LOT of WIAC players in recent history who would have succeeded at D-II. Even some that would have done well at a mid-major D-I.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 24, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 24, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 24, 2010, 11:10:54 AMHirssig comes to mind ::)Quote from: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AMQuote from: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
EC gets a road "W" at La Crosse, 68-62. Mesick and Plendl again the key, but Laura Olson chipped in with 13 and had just one turnover. 'Golds had 14, but that's a pretty good number for them lately. They also knocked down their FT's down the stretch.
Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years.
There's a LOT of WIAC players in recent history who would have succeeded at D-II. Even some that would have done well at a mid-major D-I.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2010, 12:37:54 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2010, 12:37:54 PM
McKenzie Hunter, Tiffany Morton
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
Thank you everyone for pointing out your team's best players. Discussing elite players/coaches seems to be quite a touchy subject in Wisconsin...
Reminds me of the response you get when you bring up Favre to a packer fan. ;D
From Bill Simmons this week:
Saddest subplot: A Favre Super Bowl appearance with an original NFC Central team not named "Green Bay" would be the football equivalent of dropping an atom bomb on Wisconsin. Polarizing, depressing, anger-inducing, bitter. ... It's going to elicit every crummy emotion a sports fan could have. And if Favre hoists the Lombardi trophy, Packers fans are going to react like someone just bought them a treadmill: abject fear, horror and confusion.
Reminds me of the response you get when you bring up Favre to a packer fan. ;D
From Bill Simmons this week:
Saddest subplot: A Favre Super Bowl appearance with an original NFC Central team not named "Green Bay" would be the football equivalent of dropping an atom bomb on Wisconsin. Polarizing, depressing, anger-inducing, bitter. ... It's going to elicit every crummy emotion a sports fan could have. And if Favre hoists the Lombardi trophy, Packers fans are going to react like someone just bought them a treadmill: abject fear, horror and confusion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
It's not so much that discussing good players is a problem. It was your implication that somehow Messick shouldn't even be playing in this league. The posters are just pointing out that while she's good, she's not as particularily special in the WIAC as you may seem to think.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 24, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
It's not so much that discussing good players is a problem. It was your implication that somehow Messick shouldn't even be playing in this league. The posters are just pointing out that while she's good, she's not as particularily special in the WIAC as you may seem to think.
Sorry, didn't literally mean she shouldn't be playing in the league.
Using the idea that she could play at a higher level to try and say how good of a player I feel she is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2010, 05:07:10 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2010, 05:07:10 PM
River Falls is leaking some pretty serious oil here. Lost 3 of the their last 4 in the league by 14, 15 and 13. Thats not even close. Looks like the league doll is coming back down to Earth after a 14-0 start. With road games @SP, LX, EC and a home game with WW, they could be in danger of missing homecourt in the first round.
Big game Wednesday in WW with the Pointers coming to town. The Pointers haven't lost since Dec 11 against WW. Be interesting to see if Thompson is back and if she is back what kind of shape she is going to be in.
Big game Wednesday in WW with the Pointers coming to town. The Pointers haven't lost since Dec 11 against WW. Be interesting to see if Thompson is back and if she is back what kind of shape she is going to be in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2010, 05:17:34 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2010, 05:17:34 PM
Mesick is a good player and perhaps she could play at a higher level but her skill set is limited. Hirssig, not one of my team's best players, and Hunter, again not a player of my team, have much more versatile skill sets and are better athletes. Not that I wouldn't want to have Mesick on my team I just think the other two are better players.
I'll leave Morton out of the discussion so as not to appear a homer. My karma seems to have taken a hit. :D :D
I'll leave Morton out of the discussion so as not to appear a homer. My karma seems to have taken a hit. :D :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2010, 05:27:54 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 24, 2010, 05:27:54 PM
Did Morton not have a D1 scholarship to Milwaukee after HS or did she try to simply walk-on? I recall her going there but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 24, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
Post by: billys on January 24, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
Hard to say how some of these kids would do at the D2 level (for a good team). Many can be ON a D2 team (or D1 for that matter if you're willing to travel).
I actually think Heidi A might have had the best chance to succeed of recent players cause of her size. Morton is a great pick and would probably be my number 1 choice the last couple years.
Hirrsig would be interesting; undersized with no true perimeter game, over the course of a year at that level I'd like to see how she could do. Now I know someone is going to say, "heart and desire" but there are a lot of kids that have that. She did have a big game against a bad St. Cloud team but then I had someone from the next team they played wonder how she can dominate the WIAC ... so who knows.
Hunter is another one. Good size and strength but she wasn't as quick as she may have needed to be to get free. Interesting debate though.
There were more in the past then there have been recently I think. Nechuta, Schultz, Eggers, Herrick, Duoss, Mikolajczak, the Eau Claire posts, maybe Amy Scott.
If you are a good big, size doesn't change. If you can shoot, you can still shoot. Lots of other factors though
I actually think Heidi A might have had the best chance to succeed of recent players cause of her size. Morton is a great pick and would probably be my number 1 choice the last couple years.
Hirrsig would be interesting; undersized with no true perimeter game, over the course of a year at that level I'd like to see how she could do. Now I know someone is going to say, "heart and desire" but there are a lot of kids that have that. She did have a big game against a bad St. Cloud team but then I had someone from the next team they played wonder how she can dominate the WIAC ... so who knows.
Hunter is another one. Good size and strength but she wasn't as quick as she may have needed to be to get free. Interesting debate though.
There were more in the past then there have been recently I think. Nechuta, Schultz, Eggers, Herrick, Duoss, Mikolajczak, the Eau Claire posts, maybe Amy Scott.
If you are a good big, size doesn't change. If you can shoot, you can still shoot. Lots of other factors though
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 24, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
Post by: JMM on January 24, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
Have followed EC for last 7-8 years. Messick is the real deal. She has always showed a maturity that sets her apart from many. She always knows where the basket is and cooly and calmly finds it. Plays excellent defense with very limited fouling. Can't really compare Hirsig and Messick. They are two different players. Hirsig is controlled power and muscle. Messick is more shooting finese. I think Hirsig is the overall best in the WIAC in the last 8 years. Easily beats out Douros and much better than Morton - who I think was very one dimensional. We will see how Messick fairs in this year and next. If EC can solve their #2 gaurd problem, they will be a force to be reckoned with next year. Plendil just gets better and better. Olson and Bingea are also doing well. The defense is very good this year and will only get better. If asked who I thought was the best EC player when running on all cylinders, I would say Witt. There has been alot of talent on EC. Muggenberg who holds the single game WIAC 3pt record. Burns who could take over a game at any time. Fermstad, Witt, Archiewiski, Messick, Spaeth, Channing Wozniak. All that said, SP always finds a way to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
Thank you everyone for pointing out your team's best players. Discussing elite players/coaches seems to be quite a touchy subject in Wisconsin...
I was the first to respond to your post, and I made a specific point of not mentioning anyone but UWEC players in my response, just so that you couldn't make the claim of pointing out my team's players.
Here's my post again for your review:
QuoteI have to agree that Mesick is a very good player.
But you haven't watched much WIAC Women's BB if she is the best player you have seen play over the last 4 years.
I think one could argue that she hasn't even been the best player on her own team over the last 4 years.
Players like Heidi Arciszewski, Michelle Burns and Heather Witt could seriously contend for that distinction.
Just to emphasize my point:
All-Time All-WIAC Women's Basketball Selections
(HM=Honorable Mention, Second=Second Team Selection, POY=Player of the Year, DEF=All-Defensive) (Since 1979)
Heidi Arciszewski (2006--HM, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Michelle Burns (2005--HM, 2007, 2007--DEF, 2008--POY)
Heather Witt (2008--HM, 2008--DEF, 2009, 2009--DEF)
Mesick has not even received an HM in the WIAC WB Selections to date, and you say she's the best player you've seen in the WIAC in the last 4 years??? ::)
Other players recognized since 2006:
UWEC
Rachel Becker (2005, 2006--HM)
UWL
Mackenzie Hunter (2006, 2007--HM, 2008, 2009--POY, 2009--DEF)
Abby Johnson (2006--HM)
Lindsay Wahl (2008, 2009)
UWO
Shelby Churchill (2009--HM)
Shannon Eggers (2005, 2006)
Brittany Herrick (2005, 2006)
Becky Knapp (2006--DEF, 2007)
Kelly O'Keef (2006)
Whitney Tyriver (2007, 2008, 2008--DEF)
UWP
Holly Kaiser (2005--HM, 2006)
Liz Tesch (2006--HM, 2007)
Lisa Wubben (2008, 2008--DEF)
UWRF
Tiffany Gregorich (2009-HM)
Caitlin Hunstock (2008--HM)
Traci Reimann (2005--HM, 2006, 2006--DEF, 2007, 2007--DEF)
UWSP
Haley Houghton (2008)
Chelsea Kranz (2007--HM, 2008--HM)
Nathalie Lechault (2006--HM, 2006--DEF)
Laura Neuenfeldt (2007, 2008)
Britta Petersen (2009)
Cassandra Schultz (2005, 2006)
Jessi Sporle (2009--HM)
Janell Van Gomple (2009)
Katie Webber (2008--DEF, 2009, 2009--DEF)
UWStout
Kelsey Duoss (2005, 2005--DEF, 2006--POY, 2006--DEF, 2007--POY, 2007--DEF)
Charlee Edwards (2008--HM, 2009)
Molly Hendricks (2006, 2006--DEF)
Julia Hirssig (2008, 2008--DEF, 2009, 2009--DEF)
Savanah Oeltjen (2007)
UWW
Lindsey Buechner (2007, 2008--HM)
Kelsey Hendrickson (2008, 2009)
Tiffany Morton (2008, 2009, 2009--DEF)
Trisha Thill (2007--HM), 2007--DEF)
My apologies to any player I might have missed that should be on this list, but the simple fact that there are 37 young women that have been duly recognized by the WIAC as being "ALL WIAC" since 2006 and Hannah Messick is not among them is very telling.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 25, 2010, 08:06:12 AM
Post by: JMM on January 25, 2010, 08:06:12 AM
You over look the fact that Messick is only a Junior. Sh will get plenty of attention this year and next. I have found awards are potiical in part and some coahes lobby to grab all they can get and others keep away.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2010, 09:09:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2010, 09:09:45 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 25, 2010, 08:06:12 AM
You over look the fact that Messick is only a Junior. Sh will get plenty of attention this year and next. I have found awards are potiical in part and some coahes lobby to grab all they can get and others keep away.
Heidi Arciszewski (2006--HM, 2007, 2008, 2009) - Freshman when first honored.
Michelle Burns (2005--HM, 2007, 2007--DEF, 2008--POY) - Freshman when first honored.
Same team, same coach.
I could go on and list players from other teams who have been recognized as Freshman or Sophomers, but is that necessary???
If Messick is, "the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years." as posted by PRF2009A, then she should have earned WIAC recognition...
Either that, or this poster hasn't watched much WIAC WBB.
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
Messick is a very good player and honors will come her way. She certainly was more than we could handle last week. However this year Hirssig is the best player in the WIAC and if she isn't POY I'll be very surprised. Hopefully the WARHAWKS will either find a way to control her or some how make the other four players on the floor meaningless this Saturday.
Champ, will you be making an appearance?
Champ, will you be making an appearance?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2010, 11:08:56 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 25, 2010, 11:08:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
Messick is a very good player and honors will come her way. She certainly was more than we could handle last week. However this year Hirssig is the best player in the WIAC and if she isn't POY I'll be very surprised. Hopefully the WARHAWKS will either find a way to control her or some how make the other four players on the floor meaningless this Saturday.
I sincerely hope that Julia renders all the Warhawk players meaningless this Saturday... ;D
I would like to think that Julia can repeat as WIAC POY this season, but there is a lot of BB left to be played. But I consider your opinion on the subject to be quite relevant as a fan that has truly watched a LOT of WIAC WBB.
I remember going to a number of Julia's HS games with Coach T... We could tell she had the potential to be very good. But it's been her hard work and determination that has made her that good.
QuoteChamp, will you be making an appearance?
Wish I could. I'd let you buy me a beer! Maybe next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 25, 2010, 01:30:02 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 25, 2010, 01:30:02 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 24, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
Have followed EC for last 7-8 years. Messick is the real deal. She has always showed a maturity that sets her apart from many. She always knows where the basket is and cooly and calmly finds it. Plays excellent defense with very limited fouling. Can't really compare Hirsig and Messick. They are two different players. Hirsig is controlled power and muscle. Messick is more shooting finese. I think Hirsig is the overall best in the WIAC in the last 8 years. Easily beats out Douros and much better than Morton - who I think was very one dimensional. We will see how Messick fairs in this year and next. If EC can solve their #2 gaurd problem, they will be a force to be reckoned with next year. Plendil just gets better and better. Olson and Bingea are also doing well. The defense is very good this year and will only get better. If asked who I thought was the best EC player when running on all cylinders, I would say Witt. There has been alot of talent on EC. Muggenberg who holds the single game WIAC 3pt record. Burns who could take over a game at any time. Fermstad, Witt, Archiewiski, Messick, Spaeth, Channing Wozniak. All that said, SP always finds a way to win.
Didn't the 2005 National POY come out of this conference? Nechuta was pretty darn good too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
Nechuta was the coaches' association and the D3 news national player of the year in 2005. Interestingly Point's Jason Kalsow was also the men's national player of the year for both of these organizations in 2005.
http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/news/notes/DIIINewsPOTY.htm
http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/news/notes/DIIINewsPOTY.htm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 25, 2010, 03:32:40 PM
Post by: billys on January 25, 2010, 03:32:40 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 25, 2010, 08:06:12 AMIf I had a dollar for every parent of a high school kid that told me that.
You over look the fact that Messick is only a Junior. Sh will get plenty of attention this year and next. I have found awards are potiical in part and some coahes lobby to grab all they can get and others keep away.
C'mon ... if the kid deserves it they most always get it. ESPECIALLY at the college level. The coaches vote in the WIAC and they vote for the best kids they play against twice a year.
I agree, she's only a junior and will get her due. But if you earn it, you will get your recognition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 25, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 25, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
Julia Hirssig is far and away the best player in the WIAC this year. She is an All-American! Why are you guys even making this comparison? Mesick is a solid player but Hirssig is going to be considered for D3 POY, she's in a league of her own!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 25, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 25, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 25, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
Julia Hirssig is far and away the best player in the WIAC this year. She is an All-American! Why are you guys even making this comparison? Mesick is a solid player but Hirssig is going to be considered for D3 POY, she's in a league of her own!!!
I wouldn't say she is far and away the best player in the league. I would say she is most likely the best player, but there are plenty of players that are close to her. Mesick is for sure one of them.
If I was starting a team, I would probaby choose a player that can play outside, maybe Hendrickson. A player that plays only the post can be stopped easier than a guard because of double teams. Also, post players have been worse FT shooter than guards, another thing that makes it easier to stop post players. I would rather have a super talented guard like Hendickson than a great post player like Hirssig. Really good teams have really good guards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 25, 2010, 07:39:31 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 25, 2010, 07:39:31 PM
Usuallywrong24 is right on that comment. Without great guard play teams cannot succeed. Look at EC this year. Until they got better guard play they had a hard time winning even with two post.
As for Mesick, take out 6'-5"Plendl and replace with a 5-6 guard like other teams have then we will see how she does. Plendl just makes it tough for teams to guard both.
WW, EC, SP and ST, the top teams over the past few years were led by great guard play. Look at Stout this year without the great guard play they are not as good. LX could not get to the top even with Hunter and Lang(was that her name). They lacked great guard play.
Now, what is really needed is great guard play and very good post play. That is what the WW,SP,EC and Stout had over the years.
BB starts with the guards, pressering and handling the pressure.
As for Mesick, take out 6'-5"Plendl and replace with a 5-6 guard like other teams have then we will see how she does. Plendl just makes it tough for teams to guard both.
WW, EC, SP and ST, the top teams over the past few years were led by great guard play. Look at Stout this year without the great guard play they are not as good. LX could not get to the top even with Hunter and Lang(was that her name). They lacked great guard play.
Now, what is really needed is great guard play and very good post play. That is what the WW,SP,EC and Stout had over the years.
BB starts with the guards, pressering and handling the pressure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 25, 2010, 09:08:03 PM
Post by: JMM on January 25, 2010, 09:08:03 PM
Concur whole heartily great guard first. The rest later. Love Messick but concur Julia H reigns supreme in the WIAC. Love those UWW outsiders. Great Seniors who have had a grand career.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 03:11:50 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 03:11:50 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 24, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
Have followed EC for last 7-8 years. Messick is the real deal. She has always showed a maturity that sets her apart from many. She always knows where the basket is and cooly and calmly finds it. Plays excellent defense with very limited fouling. Can't really compare Hirsig and Messick. They are two different players. Hirsig is controlled power and muscle. Messick is more shooting finese. I think Hirsig is the overall best in the WIAC in the last 8 years. Easily beats out Douros and much better than Morton - who I think was very one dimensional. We will see how Messick fairs in this year and next. If EC can solve their #2 gaurd problem, they will be a force to be reckoned with next year. Plendil just gets better and better. Olson and Bingea are also doing well. The defense is very good this year and will only get better. If asked who I thought was the best EC player when running on all cylinders, I would say Witt. There has been alot of talent on EC. Muggenberg who holds the single game WIAC 3pt record. Burns who could take over a game at any time. Fermstad, Witt, Archiewiski, Messick, Spaeth, Channing Wozniak. All that said, SP always finds a way to win.
No way is Hirrsig better than Duoss! I think Julia is a great player but Kelsey Duoss might be the best post player of all time in the WIAC, and she is definitely the best player the WIAC has had in the past 8 years. Duoss played on a better Stout team and got less minutes than Julia does but her numbers were MASSIVE considering she would play about 18-24 min a game. Duoss made the D3 all decade team, took her team to the sweet 16, played professionally and was ABSOLUTELY the most dominant force the WIAC has had in the last 10 years.
As for posts being easier to defend than guards...I agree, however, why can't more ppl stop a player like Hirrsig then? Dick Bennett used to take pride in never allowing a great inside player to beat his teams and that was a very successful strategy for him at GB, UW and WSU. I think the reason is that it takes a tremendous amount of time to become a great defensive team. No one program in the WIAC has shown me that they know how to slow Hirrsig down as of yet and I don't see that changing. So, until one of these coaches shows me that they know how to double the post, lock up the ball side perimeter guard, rotate and close out to the kick out from the post, then the notion that stopping a post is easier than stopping a guard is null. You simply cannot play a player like Hirrsig one on one on the block, unless you've got a player with great length and superior athleticism.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2010, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 03:11:50 AMNo way is Hirrsig better than Duoss! I think Julia is a great player but Kelsey Duoss might be the best post player of all time in the WIAC, and she is definitely the best player the WIAC has had in the past 8 years. Duoss played on a better Stout team and got less minutes than Julia does but her numbers were MASSIVE considering she would play about 18-24 min a game. Duoss made the D3 all decade team, took her team to the sweet 16, played professionally and was ABSOLUTELY the most dominant force the WIAC has had in the last 10 years.
I've watched both girls play their entire careers. They are both great post players. I won't even try to say which one is better - because I'm just not really sure which one is.
But I have to point out some flaws in your post.
Duoss averaged 22.8 minutes per game her senior year. Julia is averaging 24.8 this season. I don't think you expected it to be that close.
Duoss averaged 15.8 PPG as a senior. Julia is averaging 21.7 this season.
They are different players, both dominating in their own ways.
I'm glad to have had the opportunity to watch these young women play BB and to get to know them and their families.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on January 26, 2010, 11:39:11 AM
Post by: jam8788 on January 26, 2010, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 03:11:50 AM
No way is Hirrsig better than Duoss! I think Julia is a great player but Kelsey Duoss might be the best post player of all time in the WIAC, and she is definitely the best player the WIAC has had in the past 8 years.
What about Kay Mikolajczak of UWO? She received a postgraduate scholarship of $7,500 by the NCAA, 2004 post-season honors included All-America first team, she also was named to the All-WIAC first team for the second straight year and she was presented the 2004 Jostens Trophy, an award recognizing the most outstanding female student-athlete in NCAA Division III basketball. She also played professional basketball after she left UWO.
Her senior year she lead UW-Oshkosh to a 21-6 record, a share of the WIAC title by averaging 17.1 points, 9.1 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 1.3 blocked shots per game. Mikolajczak led the WIAC in 2004 with 12 double-doubles, including 20 points and 15 rebounds in a 79-77 overtime loss to UW-Stevens Point (against Amanda Nechuta). She also scored a career-best 26 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in an 85-79 victory over UW-Stout (against Duoss).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 12:17:11 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 12:17:11 PM
When I say Duoss is better than Hirrsig, I'm not talking about their stats. Duoss is a much bigger presence than Hirrsig. When you have a 6'3 player with her kind of length + her ability level offensively, it changes the game for your team in a number of ways. You block/alter more shots, eat up more space in the lane, often times get more rebounds, etc. There are so many things that length can do for your team. If you can control the lane offensively and defensively you're going to win a ton of games and Duoss did that for Stout on both ends. Not to say Hirrsig is a bad defender, but she just doesn't have the same size and length so therefore she's not the caliber that Duoss is. I will give Hirrsig the edge in one department over Duoss, in that she plays harder and gets after it more underneath. Duoss was also a "can't miss" D1 prospect coming out of HS and even started some games as a frosh at UIC. Hirrsig had no D1 interest and very little if any D2 interest. They're both great, but Duoss is a lot better and ultimately does more for a team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on January 26, 2010, 12:17:11 PM
When I say Duoss is better than Hirrsig, I'm not talking about their stats.
And I didn't say that Julia was better. Of course, I didn't say Kelsey was either. They are different players with different skill sets. Kelsey was a great shot blocker, Julia has been a better rebounder for example.
Mainly I was trying to point out your error on playing time. It seemed like you were trying to say that the difference in playing time was much greater than it really is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 26, 2010, 03:18:53 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 26, 2010, 03:18:53 PM
Nechuta won 2 conference titles, 2 league POY awards, made it to two final fours, won one national title, and one national player of the year award.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but the best player from this conference in the last 8 years was her.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but the best player from this conference in the last 8 years was her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 26, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Post by: JMM on January 26, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Relative to stopping Hirsig, EC has been very effective - need to check out the stats. Saw Kelsey play alot of games, very dominant and absolutely superb. Don't know the answer but often wondered why She didn't play more. Could it have been conditioning or something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 27, 2010, 07:29:42 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 27, 2010, 07:29:42 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 26, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Relative to stopping Hirsig, EC has been very effective - need to check out the stats. Saw Kelsey play alot of games, very dominant and absolutely superb. Don't know the answer but often wondered why She didn't play more.[/b] Could it have been conditioning or something.
I wonder the same thing about Hirssig. But, here's the deal. Coach T is going for win number 400 tonight so who am I to question his sub patterns. The man gets it done. A great coach who did build this program from the ground up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 07:35:40 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 07:35:40 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 26, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Relative to stopping Hirsig, EC has been very effective - need to check out the stats.
Last season that was true - not sure why.
As a freshman - she averaged over 9 points per game with 5 rebounds while playing with Kelsey.
Her sophomore year, as a starter, she averaged over 18 PPG with over 10 boards.
Last year was the exception - 4 points in one game and 11 in the other. The 4 point game she had 10 rebounds and the 11 point game only 5.
In the only meeting this year, 21 points and 7 boards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
FWIW I thought it would be interesting to apply the NBA's efficency measure for the year to date stats for Hirrsig and Messick to see if it would shed any light on our discussion. Each player has played 18 games.
Hirrsig: 163 (reb) + 19 (assists) + 5 (blocks) + 31 (steals) + 391 (points) = 609
..............67 (missed shots) + 60 (missed free throws) + 57 (turnovers) = 184
Rating: ... +425
Messick: 161 (reb) + 45 (assists) + 13 (blocks) + 21 (steals) + 326 (points) = 566
............... 95 (missed shots) + 26 (missed free throws) + 62 (turnovers) = 183
Rating: ... +383
Obviously both are very solid ratings with Hirrsig holding the slight edge.
Hirrsig: 163 (reb) + 19 (assists) + 5 (blocks) + 31 (steals) + 391 (points) = 609
..............67 (missed shots) + 60 (missed free throws) + 57 (turnovers) = 184
Rating: ... +425
Messick: 161 (reb) + 45 (assists) + 13 (blocks) + 21 (steals) + 326 (points) = 566
............... 95 (missed shots) + 26 (missed free throws) + 62 (turnovers) = 183
Rating: ... +383
Obviously both are very solid ratings with Hirrsig holding the slight edge.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 10:21:12 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 10:21:12 AM
Interesting info BW...
A couple things I noticed in the numbers - Julia has considerably more missed FT's and Hannah has considerably more missed FG's.
Went back and looked at the attempts and discovered that the FG attempts were real close 218 to 213, but the FT attempts weren't close at all - 159 for Hirssig and only 106 for Messick.
I guess the NBA doesn't consider shooting percentage in their equation.
A couple things I noticed in the numbers - Julia has considerably more missed FT's and Hannah has considerably more missed FG's.
Went back and looked at the attempts and discovered that the FG attempts were real close 218 to 213, but the FT attempts weren't close at all - 159 for Hirssig and only 106 for Messick.
I guess the NBA doesn't consider shooting percentage in their equation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 27, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on January 27, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 10:21:12 AM
I guess the NBA doesn't consider shooting percentage in their equation.
It does...through the missed FGs and missed FTs being subtracted from the top number (which includes points).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2010, 12:06:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2010, 12:06:07 PM
One thing it doesn't take into account is minutes played and there is a significant difference between these two. Messick has played a total of 586 minutes (32.6/game) and Hirrsig has only played 391 minutes (21.3/game).
I just thought it would be interesting to see how the two stacked up against each other. But I don't necessarily think it resolves the who is better discussion. It just provides an additional way to compare them. Personally I wouldn't mind having either or both playing for the WARHAWKS and both are players that you have to game plan for.
I just thought it would be interesting to see how the two stacked up against each other. But I don't necessarily think it resolves the who is better discussion. It just provides an additional way to compare them. Personally I wouldn't mind having either or both playing for the WARHAWKS and both are players that you have to game plan for.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 27, 2010, 01:25:49 PM
Post by: closetothechest on January 27, 2010, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2010, 12:06:07 PM
One thing it doesn't take into account is minutes played and there is a significant difference between these two. Messick has played a total of 586 minutes (32.6/game) and Hirrsig has only played 391 minutes (21.3/game).
I just thought it would be interesting to see how the two stacked up against each other. But I don't necessarily think it resolves the who is better discussion. It just provides an additional way to compare them. Personally I wouldn't mind having either or both playing for the WARHAWKS and both are players that you have to game plan for.
Thank Goodness they're not! haha
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 27, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
Post by: Bears rule on January 27, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
I say bring both to WW.
It sure will make it easier for the other teams thou. Stout and EC will be a lot less competitive.
It sure will make it easier for the other teams thou. Stout and EC will be a lot less competitive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 27, 2010, 05:01:16 PM
Post by: JMM on January 27, 2010, 05:01:16 PM
OK lets ship Messick and Hirsig to WW and go for the national championship! Also need to have all WW games played at Stout or EC so I can take them all in. Maybe change the name to the Bluehawks for stout and EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 05:11:37 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2010, 05:11:37 PM
I'd say let Stout draft a couple of players from around the WIAC to add to the team and see what happens.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
I'm sure the rest of D-III will love us even more than they already do if we start consolidating into all-star teams. ;)
That said, I always thought it would be great to take a WIAC all-star team on a summer trip to Europe or something like that. Even if it was just seniors or something, it would be cool to see. Who's got the pull to get that done? Stoutguy? BW? Make it happen!
That said, I always thought it would be great to take a WIAC all-star team on a summer trip to Europe or something like that. Even if it was just seniors or something, it would be cool to see. Who's got the pull to get that done? Stoutguy? BW? Make it happen!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 27, 2010, 10:33:50 PM
Post by: buf on January 27, 2010, 10:33:50 PM
A lot of upsets tonight:
UWO over EC 67-58. Wenig with 20pts. EC went cold in the 2nd half.
Superior wins at RF, 55-54. Superior had a 3pt lead and the ball with a minute left, ended up falling behind a couple of times, but got a layin with 3sec left to pull off the upset. Congrats to Sup! Whats happening to RF?
UWL wins at Stout in 2OT, 88-80. I thought Stout was for sure going to win. This season Stout just seems to win all the nailbiters that they are in. Well, they could have very well won this game in the 1st OT. UWL was holding for the last shot, shot it and missed, and someone came over the back on Hirssig with .7sec to go. Hirrsig missed the front end, thus the game went to 2OT. Lang led UWL with 27pts. Hirssig had 25pts, 18rebs.
Point wins at UWW, 64-51. Point takes the drivers seat in the conference.
UWO over EC 67-58. Wenig with 20pts. EC went cold in the 2nd half.
Superior wins at RF, 55-54. Superior had a 3pt lead and the ball with a minute left, ended up falling behind a couple of times, but got a layin with 3sec left to pull off the upset. Congrats to Sup! Whats happening to RF?
UWL wins at Stout in 2OT, 88-80. I thought Stout was for sure going to win. This season Stout just seems to win all the nailbiters that they are in. Well, they could have very well won this game in the 1st OT. UWL was holding for the last shot, shot it and missed, and someone came over the back on Hirssig with .7sec to go. Hirrsig missed the front end, thus the game went to 2OT. Lang led UWL with 27pts. Hirssig had 25pts, 18rebs.
Point wins at UWW, 64-51. Point takes the drivers seat in the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on January 27, 2010, 11:40:50 PM
Post by: bgbacker on January 27, 2010, 11:40:50 PM
hoop_junkie says:
Dick Bennett used to take pride in never allowing a great inside player to beat his teams.
Ask him about Kurt Nimphius sometime.
Dick Bennett used to take pride in never allowing a great inside player to beat his teams.
Ask him about Kurt Nimphius sometime.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2010, 12:07:04 AM
Wow. UWSP couldn't have gotten a better night of results if they playing the games on Playstation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 08:42:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 08:42:47 AM
What an emotionally draining game last night for Blue Devil fans. I have to believe that the UWL bus was rockin' on the way home after there double overtime win...
Melissa Lang won that game last night. Not single handedly, but without her, the Blue Devils win that game. I'm convinced of that.
Lang personally scored the first 15 points for La Crosse. She scored the first 20 of 25 points.
From my perspective it seemed like she couldn't miss in the first half. Perception is not always reality as the stat book shows that she did miss 2 of 6 shots from behind the arc and a total of 3 out of 11 shots in the half.
It was an amazing performance that put her team in control of the game.
Coach Lois must feel like she exorcised a demon last night - this was UWL's first victory at Johnson Fieldhouse since 1992...
Melissa Lang won that game last night. Not single handedly, but without her, the Blue Devils win that game. I'm convinced of that.
Lang personally scored the first 15 points for La Crosse. She scored the first 20 of 25 points.
From my perspective it seemed like she couldn't miss in the first half. Perception is not always reality as the stat book shows that she did miss 2 of 6 shots from behind the arc and a total of 3 out of 11 shots in the half.
It was an amazing performance that put her team in control of the game.
Coach Lois must feel like she exorcised a demon last night - this was UWL's first victory at Johnson Fieldhouse since 1992...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 28, 2010, 08:44:24 AM
Post by: stoutguy on January 28, 2010, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 27, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
I'm sure the rest of D-III will love us even more than they already do if we start consolidating into all-star teams. ;)
That said, I always thought it would be great to take a WIAC all-star team on a summer trip to Europe or something like that. Even if it was just seniors or something, it would be cool to see. Who's got the pull to get that done? Stoutguy? BW? Make it happen!
Make it happen. Are you kidding? BW and I are so old, we have trouble getting our shoes tied in the morning.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 28, 2010, 09:02:08 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 28, 2010, 09:02:08 AM
Quote from: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 08:42:47 AM
What an emotionally draining game last night for Blue Devil fans. I have to believe that the UWL bus was rockin' on the way home after there double overtime win...
Melissa Lang won that game last night. Not single handedly, but without her, the Blue Devils win that game. I'm convinced of that.
Lang personally scored the first 15 points for La Crosse. She scored the first 20 of 25 points.
From my perspective it seemed like she couldn't miss in the first half. Perception is not always reality as the stat book shows that she did miss 2 of 6 shots from behind the arc and a total of 3 out of 11 shots in the half.
It was an amazing performance that put her team in control of the game.
Coach Lois must feel like she exorcised a demon last night - this was UWL's first victory at Johnson Fieldhouse since 1992...
And without Hirsig UWL wins by 20... I'm convinced of that.
Sloppy game by both teams last night (outside of Lang and Hirsig) I have never seen so many traveling calls in a single game. I lost count, but the stout announcer was guessing around 12 at about half time. Must have been over 20 for the game. Outside of that, Stout struggled to make any jump shots and UWL struggled underneath on defense big time.
Frank fouled out half way through the first overtime which hurt as she had started out the OT great with a nice basket, block on Hirsig, and a few boards.
Stout will win some big games going down the stretch especially if someone can make a few 3s to accompany Hirsig's dominant performances.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 28, 2010, 09:27:34 AM
Post by: Bears rule on January 28, 2010, 09:27:34 AM
Stevens Point now looks to win the WIAC, at least for this week. They were really good last night.
LX over Stout. LX has been playing very well. They might get into the top 4
Superior over RF. Did I just type that. What?
Oshkosh over EC. Oshkosh the most improved team sense Dec 15.
I predict by next week things look different again.
LX over Stout. LX has been playing very well. They might get into the top 4
Superior over RF. Did I just type that. What?
Oshkosh over EC. Oshkosh the most improved team sense Dec 15.
I predict by next week things look different again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on January 28, 2010, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on January 28, 2010, 09:59:14 AM
I was able to take in the SP/WW game last night - and what a great game it was. Regardless of the statistics it was a dawg fight - always is down in WW, but once Hendrickson and Bundy fouled out, the game was over. Give them credit, they both played a hard fought game.
Also reported in WW yesterday, Thompson will redshirt and be back next year - if she comes back strong, look for her and Berg to be a tough inside duo.
Just can't say enough good things about the passion and drive the pointer women showed down the stretch - and it's exciting to think they will only loose 1 senior (Windt) and bring back Flease, Peterson, Bandow and Averkamp. Gonna be a fun group to watch again next year :)
Also reported in WW yesterday, Thompson will redshirt and be back next year - if she comes back strong, look for her and Berg to be a tough inside duo.
Just can't say enough good things about the passion and drive the pointer women showed down the stretch - and it's exciting to think they will only loose 1 senior (Windt) and bring back Flease, Peterson, Bandow and Averkamp. Gonna be a fun group to watch again next year :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2010, 10:18:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2010, 10:18:14 AM
Free throws killed the WARHAWKS again last night. Point shoots 30 free throws making 22 and the WARHAWKS shoot 11 making 9. I don't know what it is but for whatever reason since the Eau Claire game opponents have had the advantage from the free throw line 90-43. The WARHAWKS trailed big early in the first half but managed to cut the lead down to five by the break and take their first lead at the sixteen minute mark 39-37. Point was struggling at that point it we had a chance to put some distance between us however over the next 8 minutes we also couldn't score and then Point got back on track retaking the lead 44-43 and from that time on scores 17 of their next 24 points from the free throw line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Post by: JMM on January 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Coach T fans should not read this. Saw the Stout/LAX game last night. Coach L was superb in winning a game one would have thought Stout would win with 8 minutes left. Sat close to the LAX bench and watched her communicate in positive, supporting friendly way to her team. They were having fun - wanted to win but having fun. I have watched Stout 6 times this year and 2 dozen over the past 8 years. My 2 cents is that coach T is sometimes too intense. This post has been changed to reflect inaccuracy on my part. JMM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 28, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 28, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
OK, Coach T fans can tune back in. I'm sure ';ll get an ear full - but watch the Stout bench during the first half of their next game maybe you'll agree.
Been there; done that ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 11:13:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 28, 2010, 09:02:08 AM
Sloppy game by both teams last night (outside of Lang and Hirsig) I have never seen so many traveling calls in a single game. I lost count, but the stout announcer was guessing around 12 at about half time. Must have been over 20 for the game.
So true.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 28, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
Post by: BDB on January 28, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
Oh by the way, Danielle did not play in either overtime. Her hieght alone or a short or long jumper by her would have won the game in the first overtime or the last 5 minutes when she sat the bench. My 2 cents. PS, I do not know or ever met DeWitt.
2 things:
- No, I don't agree with you about Coach Thomas.
- You were at the game and didn't realize that DeWitt had fouled out? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 11:21:58 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AMCase in point is De Witt. He put her in and immediately yanked her out at least three times in the first half. Seems to be playing games with her since her foul against RF. Never let her get in the flow of the game. Got the feeling that he was saying - you walked - out you come, you foul out you come, you miss a shot - out you come.
Oh by the way, Danielle did not play in either overtime. Her hieght alone or a short or long jumper by her would have won the game in the first overtime or the last 5 minutes when she sat the bench. My 2 cents. PS, I do not know or ever met DeWitt.
In 3 minutes of playing time in the first half, Danielle committed 2 fouls.
And you must have missed the fact that DeWitt fouled out of the game with 3:38 left in regulation. That's why she was sitting - not because T didn't want her on the floor.
That's one of the reasons for T getting after her. She's got talent, but also has a tendency to foul unneccesarily.
Was he upset? Sure he was. He knew he needed her 3 point capability, but her fouling was taking her out of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 28, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 28, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on January 28, 2010, 11:20:36 AMQuote from: JMM on January 28, 2010, 10:47:39 AM
- You were at the game and didn't realize that DeWitt had fouled out? ???
So, your point would be.... ???
Memory lane: my older daughter fouled out of two games (once in high school, once in a summer tournament game)...twice. You just have to have trickier scorekeepers :-X or be the last of the players to foul out on a team that would have only four players on the floor when you're gone. Sympathy game. She was a hacker, alright. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 28, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
Post by: JMM on January 28, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
Comments on Coach T. I changed my post because I had not realized DeWitt fouled out - shame on me. That said. Just seems to be a game going on with DeWitt. I may be wrong, Guess we''l never know.
JMM
JMM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 28, 2010, 12:16:35 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 28, 2010, 12:16:35 PM
Well it was reported on Sunday that River Falls was leaking some oil, after a loss to Superior, at home mind you, that car looks stopped at the side of the road, hood up with Coach Holbrook sticking her thumb up for a ride. A home loss to Superior just shouldn't happen to a team that was looking like it was turning things around by starting 13-0. River has gone from a lock for a top 2 seed to a team that very well could be on the road for the opening round of the WIAC tournament.
Tough luck for Coach Thomas of Stout. With his next two games being at WW and at SP, he is either going to have to wait for number 400 or do it on the road. I wonder if that 400th win put any added pressure on his players. I feel like it is best to keep that stuff under wraps until it actually happens.
Tough luck for Coach Thomas of Stout. With his next two games being at WW and at SP, he is either going to have to wait for number 400 or do it on the road. I wonder if that 400th win put any added pressure on his players. I feel like it is best to keep that stuff under wraps until it actually happens.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 28, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
Comments on Coach T. I changed my post because I had not realized DeWitt fouled out - shame on me. That said. Just seems to be a game going on with DeWitt. I may be wrong, Guess we''l never know.
JMM
As I posted earlier, Danielle has talent. She also at times commits unnecessary fouls.
You've seen a certain number of Stout games. I have not seen all, but more than many.
Just looking at the WIAC games this year, here are some things for you to ponder:
DD has fouled out of 2 recent games - losses to UWL (18 minutes of playing time) and UWO (13 minutes).
You think T is playing games with her. I think he's trying to keep her head in the game.
Not every method of motivation is effective 100% of the time. Not every method of motivation will work with every individual.
You see T barking at his players like he doesn't care about them as individuals. I've seen him behind the scenes - things outsiders rarely get a chance to see.
Have I ever secretly wished T would tone it down a little? I'd be lying if I said no. But I think his players know that he just wants them to perform to the best of their capabilities.
He cares!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 28, 2010, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 28, 2010, 12:16:35 PMTough luck for Coach Thomas of Stout. With his next two games being at WW and at SP, he is either going to have to wait for number 400 or do it on the road. I wonder if that 400th win put any added pressure on his players. I feel like it is best to keep that stuff under wraps until it actually happens.
The best time to win your next game is - your next game.... ;D
Sure, we'd like to have it come at home, but you don't always get what you want.
As for pressure on the players - I don't think that there was any special pressure on them.
But I also am sure they were aware of the approaching milestone. They wouldn't be as good as they are if they didn't keep track of the "score"... 8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on January 29, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
Post by: Bears rule on January 29, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
I have 399 reasons why Coach T is a good Coach.
Not every fan is going to like any Coach, nor every player is going to like their Coach.
Not every fan is going to like any Coach, nor every player is going to like their Coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 29, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 29, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
The only measure of a good coach should not be winning games.
Quote from: Bears rule on January 29, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
I have 399 reasons why Coach T is a good Coach.
Not every fan is going to like any Coach, nor every player is going to like their Coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2010, 12:14:56 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2010, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on January 29, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
The only measure of a good coach should not be winning games.
I'll agree with that to a point.
But I would also point out the number of his former players that have gone on to be involved in coaching themselves at either the public school (middle and HS) and college level.
There are multiple examples of his former players actively coaching WBB in the WIAC, and I'm not just referring to his own current assistants that are both former players.
I am also aware of 2 of his relatively recent assistants that are now HC's - 1 in the WIAC and another coaching DIII in Iowa.
It's only my opinion, but those who have decided to coach WBB after playing for T, probably thought that T was a pretty decent coach. I could be wrong.
Next week is the Stout Alumni game. I look forward to seeing several of T's former players coming back to actually play BB in Johnson Fieldhouse again. It's a real hoot and many of the young (and older) women come in from all over the country to commiserate with their former teammates and coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 12:52:28 PM
Coaches likely see a difference between a foul and a stupid foul; a missed shot and a stupid shot. Players, on the other hand, see the game differently on the court than what you see from the vicinity of the bench. I think perception/perspective is the issue: players playing have a perspective that players sitting don't have, that coaches don't have, certainly that parents and other spectators in the crowd don't have. Coaches have different methods of coaching: Mulhern yells at the players on the floor-while the game is swirling; T yells at the bench, but since everybody sits on the bench, the people on the floor know what's going on. Men coach women differently than women coach women, in general. The opponents have a significant influence on how a team plays. Everybody plays at least adequately in practice; it's when you throw those other people out there that things get screwed up.
Who's the good coach? How often do you see coaches with losing records identified as 'good' coaches? At the college level, 'good' coaches should probably graduate the majority of his or her players, but I think most of us don't look at graduation rates as much as team-retention rates: how many players don't play all four years? As parents, how many of us have raised hackles when our children are getting yelled at? I've said it before, 'my' high school team never fouled until after my daughter's left. What an eye-opener it was to go back and see all the hacking going on.
And then there are the refs...that's always an element of surprise: different teams of refs call differently, so while a basketball team may look inconsistent, sometimes it's just the way the game is being called. Life. Just when you get it figured out, it's over...
Who's the good coach? How often do you see coaches with losing records identified as 'good' coaches? At the college level, 'good' coaches should probably graduate the majority of his or her players, but I think most of us don't look at graduation rates as much as team-retention rates: how many players don't play all four years? As parents, how many of us have raised hackles when our children are getting yelled at? I've said it before, 'my' high school team never fouled until after my daughter's left. What an eye-opener it was to go back and see all the hacking going on.
And then there are the refs...that's always an element of surprise: different teams of refs call differently, so while a basketball team may look inconsistent, sometimes it's just the way the game is being called. Life. Just when you get it figured out, it's over...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 12:55:17 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 12:55:17 PM
aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh. Not 'daughter's', daughters. I hate those kinds of mistakes, and then I make them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 29, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 12:55:17 PMdaughters...
Speaking of which, I ran into your daughter at a game awhile back. Had a nice chat.
You raised a keeper!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: The Champ on January 29, 2010, 06:04:11 PMQuote from: phoenix_rising on January 29, 2010, 12:55:17 PMdaughters...
Speaking of which, I ran into your daughter at a game awhile back. Had a nice chat.
You raised a keeper!!!
I kinda like her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2010, 07:24:30 AM
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2010, 07:24:30 AM
Like the comments/insights into the complexity of coaching and the many factors that come into play. All are important. On the floor, I think the mark of a good coach is their ability to take the talent at what ever level it is at, and make a "team" and "maximize" that talent. UWSP is an wonderful example of this. The best is probably St. John's football which I am very familiar with. As I observe the talent in the WIAC Woman's this year, I think Stout is near the top in talent. Cannot figure out why the stumble so much. Wonder if the coaching style and players are not a good blend. That does not mean the coach is bad. Just a bad mix. Again, maybe I have the amount of talent at Stout wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2010, 09:33:05 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 30, 2010, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 30, 2010, 07:24:30 AM
As I observe the talent in the WIAC Woman's this year, I think Stout is near the top in talent. Cannot figure out why the stumble so much. Wonder if the coaching style and players are not a good blend.
Stout does have some very talented players. They also have a lot of youth.
They start 2 freshman, and the "6th woman" off the bench (based on actual playing time) was also a freshman. Regretfully, Lauren is out for the season after a knee injury at UWRF.
One comment I'd like to add the the Danielle DeWitt conversation. You think/thought that T was playing head games with her against La Crosse.
That may or may not be true.
From your vantage point you may not have seen it, but after Danielle fouled out, the biggest cheerleader on the bench was none other than DD.
She wasn't sulking, but doing her best to cheer her team on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2010, 10:30:25 AM
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2010, 10:30:25 AM
I did see DD cheering on the bench (sometimes behind her chair) - absolutely. She is full of entusiam and a great team player has been as long as I can remember. DD is a class act. That is a big part of why I question the coaching. I also did miss the fact she fouled out with LAX - shame on me and yes I do think fouls may come a little to easy with DD. I don't think the games ( coach anrtics may be a better term) were played so much against her during LAX. I noticed it after the first RF loss. I think it was the UW Platville game. If I'm correct - DD made the last minute foul that cost Stout the first RF game and I think I saw antics directed DD's way against Platville. Looked that way to me - could be wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 30, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
Post by: buf on January 30, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
RF wins over UWO. UWO had a late 2-point lead but RF turned it up when they needed to.
UWL wins over UWP. Another close game.
Point wins over Superior easily.
UWW wins over Stout by 5.
UWL wins over UWP. Another close game.
Point wins over Superior easily.
UWW wins over Stout by 5.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 30, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 30, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
Here are the number of upperclassmen on each team, as deciphered from what is posted on the team websites (not taking into account any injuries that may have occurred):
UW-Stout: 8 = 5 seniors, 3 juniors
UWW: 7 = 6 seniors, 1 junior
UWL: 7 = 1 senior, 6 juniors
UWRF: 5 = 3 seniors, 2 juniors
UWP: 4 = 3 seniors, 1 junior
UWO: 4 = 4 juniors
UWSP: 4 = 1 senior, 3 juniors
UWEC: 3 = 1 senior, 2 juniors
Superior: 3 = 3 juniors
UW-Stout: 8 = 5 seniors, 3 juniors
UWW: 7 = 6 seniors, 1 junior
UWL: 7 = 1 senior, 6 juniors
UWRF: 5 = 3 seniors, 2 juniors
UWP: 4 = 3 seniors, 1 junior
UWO: 4 = 4 juniors
UWSP: 4 = 1 senior, 3 juniors
UWEC: 3 = 1 senior, 2 juniors
Superior: 3 = 3 juniors
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2010, 08:36:17 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2010, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: buf on January 30, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
UWL wins over UWP. Another close game.
And unlike the Stout/La Crosse game where she set a career high for scoring with 27 points (20 in the first half), Melissa Lang goes 0 - 5 on 3 pointers, 4 - 12 overall and only makes 1 of 4 FT's for a total of 9 points.
She had a career game against Stout - and I commended her efforts in my post after the game.
But I sure wish she would have waited for the weekend to have a career game so she could have gone out and celebrated... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2010, 09:47:40 AM
Out on a limb, final WIAC standings:
UWWW 13-3
UWSP 13-3
UWEC 10-6
UWRF 9-7
STOUT 9-7
UWLC 9-7
UWP 5-11
UWO 3-13
UWS 3-13
Falling off the limb:
UWWW over UWSP for championship - UWWW Seniors desire will prevail
Really would like to say UWSP over either EC or STOUT but UWWW seniors prevail
UWSP and UWWW go to the NCAA
UWSP wins 2
UWWW wins 1
UWWW 13-3
UWSP 13-3
UWEC 10-6
UWRF 9-7
STOUT 9-7
UWLC 9-7
UWP 5-11
UWO 3-13
UWS 3-13
Falling off the limb:
UWWW over UWSP for championship - UWWW Seniors desire will prevail
Really would like to say UWSP over either EC or STOUT but UWWW seniors prevail
UWSP and UWWW go to the NCAA
UWSP wins 2
UWWW wins 1
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on January 31, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
Post by: closetothechest on January 31, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
When you say WW over SP for the championship, are you talking about the WIAC tournament or the regular season crown? Also, what game do you think SP will lose? Just wondering for the tiebreakers.
My predictions:
SP 14-2
WW-12-4
EC 10-6
Stout 10-6
Lax 9-7
River 9-7
Looks like last year a lot with the first round match-ups. I just see WW coming out with a one loss in their trips to River, Lax, and Platteville. Conference road games are pretty tough to win. Point is 5-1 on the road and WW has a couple road losses already.
My predictions:
SP 14-2
WW-12-4
EC 10-6
Stout 10-6
Lax 9-7
River 9-7
Looks like last year a lot with the first round match-ups. I just see WW coming out with a one loss in their trips to River, Lax, and Platteville. Conference road games are pretty tough to win. Point is 5-1 on the road and WW has a couple road losses already.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
I see SP and WW finishing 10-3. I like WW over SP in the championship tournament -I think the seniors on WW, who have had a great 4 years and seen alot of pressure games/action, Will really want the win - big time. I look for Sontag and Hendrickson to put on a defensive show and shower the 3 pointers galore - they are very capable of doing this and they are extremely clutch.
I don't think SP can beat both Stout (who is due for a big win) and EC (this game is at EC) in a row. They willl take one of the two.
WW has a way of stumbling in the tournament - don't expect it this year but if they do - look for EC or Stout to advance. EC really matches up well against WW.
I don't think SP can beat both Stout (who is due for a big win) and EC (this game is at EC) in a row. They willl take one of the two.
WW has a way of stumbling in the tournament - don't expect it this year but if they do - look for EC or Stout to advance. EC really matches up well against WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2010, 03:49:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2010, 03:49:32 PM
Some observations:
1. Entering the game averaging just over 21 minutes per contest Julia Hirssig logged 32 minutes in the game and ended with a double-double 16 points 13 rebounds. She also led Stout with 4 assists.
2. Stout's 17 first half turnovers really hurt. They shot the ball well (47.8%) but had 10 fewer attempts than WHITEWATER.
3. Nicole Bundy has incredible range. A couple of her three-point baskets were shot from a different zip code. JMM, you make no reference to this senior but right now she is carrying the team.
4. Hendrickson's 4 steals increase her league leading total to 80. Entering the game she had 29 more steals than the runner up.
5. WHITEWATER'S freshman big, Cortney Kumerow, is going to be a very good player in this league.
6. Heidi Sonntag has been in a scoring slump lately but she's helping the team in other ways. 6 assists and 6 steals in this one.
7. Stout's guards struggled in this one.
8. This was an absolute must win game for the WARHAWKS and they responded.
1. Entering the game averaging just over 21 minutes per contest Julia Hirssig logged 32 minutes in the game and ended with a double-double 16 points 13 rebounds. She also led Stout with 4 assists.
2. Stout's 17 first half turnovers really hurt. They shot the ball well (47.8%) but had 10 fewer attempts than WHITEWATER.
3. Nicole Bundy has incredible range. A couple of her three-point baskets were shot from a different zip code. JMM, you make no reference to this senior but right now she is carrying the team.
4. Hendrickson's 4 steals increase her league leading total to 80. Entering the game she had 29 more steals than the runner up.
5. WHITEWATER'S freshman big, Cortney Kumerow, is going to be a very good player in this league.
6. Heidi Sonntag has been in a scoring slump lately but she's helping the team in other ways. 6 assists and 6 steals in this one.
7. Stout's guards struggled in this one.
8. This was an absolute must win game for the WARHAWKS and they responded.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2010, 05:05:38 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2010, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2010, 03:49:32 PM
Some observations:
I left the wrapup to you - as I knew you were there and all I did was listen to the game.
As usual, a very solid and concise report, and from listening to Stoutguy on the radio - very accurate in your comments about Bundy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 31, 2010, 06:52:47 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on January 31, 2010, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 31, 2010, 12:19:21 PMWhat is nice for SP is that they have a bye on Saturday, so even though they play Stout and EC back to back, they are 7 days apart.
I don't think SP can beat both Stout (who is due for a big win) and EC (this game is at EC) in a row. They willl take one of the two.
WW has a way of stumbling in the tournament - don't expect it this year but if they do - look for EC or Stout to advance. EC really matches up well against WW.
Also it is hard for me to put WW in the conference championship game, since I believe that WW has never been the championship game and has only 1 win in the tournament during the Corollo era. Since people on here often talk about how she never has won WIAC COY, this is most likely the reason.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
Post by: JMM on January 31, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
In recent times, WW has stumbled in the tournement. On a good day, either Stout or EC can beat them. I should not rule out LAX either. Realize SP does have a day off but I think Stout will take them. Stout is really due to put a great game together. Who knows maybe RF will resurrect, but I don't think so. One of the keys for any one to beat SP is to guard Cassie Bandow tight. She's a dead-eye. Whilel I'm an EC fan, would love to see Stout go on a run and play to their potential.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 01, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 01, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
I hate the term, "They're due." To use another car analogy, if a car hasn't started for a couple weeks, who says it is due to start the next time you try. Probably not. If Stout wins on Wednesday it is because they learned something from the losses and played well, not because they are due. Superior was due for a few wins in the WIAC the last couple seasons, but it didn't happen.
Also, how many teams do people think will get in the NCAAs from this league? I wouldn't say anyone is a lock yet, but SP and WW will most likely by the only teams who could deserve pool C bids. I believe SP has 3 regional losses and WW has 4 regional losses. WW has the potential to win out. Still at least one of these 2 will get one more regional loss in the WIAC tournament. It is going to be pretty interesting.
Also, how many teams do people think will get in the NCAAs from this league? I wouldn't say anyone is a lock yet, but SP and WW will most likely by the only teams who could deserve pool C bids. I believe SP has 3 regional losses and WW has 4 regional losses. WW has the potential to win out. Still at least one of these 2 will get one more regional loss in the WIAC tournament. It is going to be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on February 01, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on February 01, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
usuallywrong i think u r "due" for some new analogies :) jk -
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 01, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
Post by: JMM on February 01, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
Appreciate the comments and analogy. I guess I could have said, my gut feeling is either EC or Stout will beat SP so they will end up with another loss.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:14 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:14 PM
This should get a couple people fired up. Should the league POY come from a team with a record around .500? It is like the A-Rod MVPs in TX where he was clearly the best player in the league, but some thought he didn't deserve it because his team is worst than others. I would still most likely vote for Hirssig because she is so dominant, but if they finish at 7-9 or 8-8 it might be tough to justify it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 02, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 02, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:14 PM
This should get a couple people fired up. Should the league POY come from a team with a record around .500? It is like the A-Rod MVPs in TX where he was clearly the best player in the league, but some thought he didn't deserve it because his team is worst than others. I would still most likely vote for Hirssig because she is so dominant, but if they finish at 7-9 or 8-8 it might be tough to justify it.
The thing for me is does that MVP make the team competitive. So this is a different conversation than if Stout was to finish 3-13 in the conference. 8-8 is a good record in this tough conference.
When I pick my MVP favorites for anything, my view is what was this team's record with said player and what would have been the team's record without that player.
Take the best player away from Point and WW and they are still probably the top 2 teams in the conference.
Take the best player away from EC and Stout and they would be in the same situation as Platteville, Superior, and Oshkosh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2010, 01:07:33 PM
Hirssig has my vote, if I had one that is, regardless of how Stout finishes. She is simply the best player in the league.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on February 02, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
Post by: Bears rule on February 02, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
Dani Thompson has been taken away from WW. So you are right.
Take Peterson away from SP? Not sure they are top two.
Take Peterson away from SP? Not sure they are top two.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2010, 06:05:34 PM
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2010, 06:05:34 PM
Hirsig. The MVP should be Hirsig. My two cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 02, 2010, 07:39:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 02, 2010, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:14 PMI would still most likely vote for Hirssig because she is so dominant, but if they finish at 7-9 or 8-8 it might be tough to justify it.
Not saying it can't happen, but here's the balance of the schedule, with the current record of 6 - 5:
Wed, Feb. 3 UW-Stevens Point Stevens Point, WI 7 p.m.
Sat, Feb. 6 UW-Oshkosh (Alumni Day) Menomonie, WI 5 p.m.
Wed, Feb. 10 UW-Superior Menomonie, WI 7 p.m.
Sat, Feb. 13 UW-Platteville Platteville, WI 4 p.m.
Sat, Feb. 20 UW-Eau Claire - Senior Nite Menomonie, WI 3 p.m.
3 of the 5 are at home. 2 of the 5 should be very difficult games. Stout also has their bye in this period.
Stout lost to Platteville and UWO already, so it could happen again. I just don't think they are swept by either team.
I just don't see a 7 - 9 record, and hopefully an 8 - 8 is exceeded also.
But that's why they play the games... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 02, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
The back and forth posts on Hirsig/Hirssig have been driving me nuts! According to the Stout website roster, there are two s's in Hirssig! ;)
(And now I'll discover that the website person is a moron! ;D)
(And now I'll discover that the website person is a moron! ;D)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 09:35:11 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 02, 2010, 07:39:01 PMPretty sure Stout beat Platteville at Johnson this year.Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 12:47:14 PMI would still most likely vote for Hirssig because she is so dominant, but if they finish at 7-9 or 8-8 it might be tough to justify it.
Not saying it can't happen, but here's the balance of the schedule, with the current record of 6 - 5:
Wed, Feb. 3 UW-Stevens Point Stevens Point, WI 7 p.m.
Sat, Feb. 6 UW-Oshkosh (Alumni Day) Menomonie, WI 5 p.m.
Wed, Feb. 10 UW-Superior Menomonie, WI 7 p.m.
Sat, Feb. 13 UW-Platteville Platteville, WI 4 p.m.
Sat, Feb. 20 UW-Eau Claire - Senior Nite Menomonie, WI 3 p.m.
3 of the 5 are at home. 2 of the 5 should be very difficult games. Stout also has their bye in this period.
Stout lost to Platteville and UWO already, so it could happen again. I just don't think they are swept by either team.
I just don't see a 7 - 9 record, and hopefully an 8 - 8 is exceeded also.
But that's why they play the games... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Hirssig! Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 09:09:03 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 09:35:11 PMPretty sure Stout beat Platteville at Johnson this year.
You're right, I'm wrong... :-[
We won by two - it was much closer than it should have been. Maybe that's why I was thinking of it as a loss.
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi The back and forth posts on Hirsig/Hirssig have been driving me nuts! According to the Stout website roster, there are two s's in Hirssig!
(And now I'll discover that the website person is a moron! )
Layne Pitt is not a moron... ;D
And I've noticed the mispelling by others many times, but figured I'd just keep my mouth shut... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 03, 2010, 10:58:58 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 03, 2010, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 09:09:03 AMThanks for defending Layne, Champ. He is one of the best SID's in the conference. Keep up the battle with these other guys regarding Hirssig. I don't even want to get in the conversation because for my money, the argument is without merit. Julia is the best in the conference.Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 02, 2010, 09:35:11 PMPretty sure Stout beat Platteville at Johnson this year.
You're right, I'm wrong... :-[
We won by two - it was much closer than it should have been. Maybe that's why I was thinking of it as a loss.Quote from: Mr. Ypsi The back and forth posts on Hirsig/Hirssig have been driving me nuts! According to the Stout website roster, there are two s's in Hirssig!
(And now I'll discover that the website person is a moron! )
Layne Pitt is not a moron... ;D
And I've noticed the mispelling by others many times, but figured I'd just keep my mouth shut... ;)
This is just for Champ. You other guys just don't read this because you will get all wild about how T coaches and this and that and the other thing, but how special would it be if T got his 400th today against Shirley. Those two coaches have been at each other for the past 20 years. T is 399-210 and Shirley is 375-171 as of today. T was 16-4 against Shirley early but lately Shirley is 8-4 against Stout. I just think it would be classic for T to get 400 against Shirley. I think that would be special for both of them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 03, 2010, 11:20:15 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 03, 2010, 11:20:15 AM
I know I wasn't suppose to read that last paragraph stoutguy but I did anyway. haha Actually I don't have any problem with the his style at all.
No offense intended but the truth of the matter is that I don't really care who he gets #400 against though I see the merit of your point. Personally I'm just grateful that he didn't get it against us. ;)
No offense intended but the truth of the matter is that I don't really care who he gets #400 against though I see the merit of your point. Personally I'm just grateful that he didn't get it against us. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 12:06:52 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 12:06:52 PM
The best time to get your 400th win would be the next game you play....
I don't think it matters one bit to T. And I'm sure that Shirley would take no joy in the fact that it came against her.
JMHO...
As to keeping up the battle for Julia. I'll let her do that herself on the floor. She's more than capable...
It's only been a very small minority that have tried to promote anyone else.
I don't think it matters one bit to T. And I'm sure that Shirley would take no joy in the fact that it came against her.
JMHO...
As to keeping up the battle for Julia. I'll let her do that herself on the floor. She's more than capable...
It's only been a very small minority that have tried to promote anyone else.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 03, 2010, 12:58:17 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 03, 2010, 12:58:17 PM
Hirrsig is without a doubt the MVP of the WIAC. You will see the real evidence of this next year when Stout will be fighting to stay out of the cellar w/o her. I don't think enough people realize that outside of their senior group, Stout is VERY limited. That freshman class this year, although big in numbers isn't very good. That being said, I hope Coach Thomas gets #400 against SP as well. He's a great coach and that is quite an accomplishment!
As for other players that could be considered for POY...
Hendrickson is such a good PG for the D3 level that if you take her away from WW they would still be good but she is pretty special so it will definitely show when they lose her.
Britta Petersen is a VERY good player on a VERY good team.
Tiffany Gregorich could be thrown in this mix as well. If you took her off the RF team they would be hurting in a lot of ways. She is a complete player and brings a lot of toughness to that team.
And then the other obvious player on the ballot would be Mesick.
Also, another note on recruiting. SP has 2 commitments at this point from 2 girls that were d2/d3 tweener types that are both pretty solid players. Jenna Pitt of Amherst and Christie Struck of Weyauwega-Fremont. Pitt tore her ACL and that is a likely reason why she ended up picking SP over going D2.
As for other players that could be considered for POY...
Hendrickson is such a good PG for the D3 level that if you take her away from WW they would still be good but she is pretty special so it will definitely show when they lose her.
Britta Petersen is a VERY good player on a VERY good team.
Tiffany Gregorich could be thrown in this mix as well. If you took her off the RF team they would be hurting in a lot of ways. She is a complete player and brings a lot of toughness to that team.
And then the other obvious player on the ballot would be Mesick.
Also, another note on recruiting. SP has 2 commitments at this point from 2 girls that were d2/d3 tweener types that are both pretty solid players. Jenna Pitt of Amherst and Christie Struck of Weyauwega-Fremont. Pitt tore her ACL and that is a likely reason why she ended up picking SP over going D2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
First regional rankings are out....
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 15-1 18-1
2. Carthage 13-2 16-3
3. Washington U. in St. Louis 13-2 16-2
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 15-3 17-3
5. Wisconsin-Whitewater 13-4 14-5
6. Chicago 13-5 13-5
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 15-1 18-1
2. Carthage 13-2 16-3
3. Washington U. in St. Louis 13-2 16-2
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 15-3 17-3
5. Wisconsin-Whitewater 13-4 14-5
6. Chicago 13-5 13-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 08:53:36 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 08:53:36 PM
At the half:
UWRF 45 - UWEC 33
UWL 32 - UWW 24
UWO 23 - UWP 22
Stout 42 - UWSP 36
UWRF 45 - UWEC 33
UWL 32 - UWW 24
UWO 23 - UWP 22
Stout 42 - UWSP 36
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
400
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 10:09:07 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2010, 10:09:07 PM
Well, I'm sure everyone figured out that T got #400 tonite.... ;D
Stout started strong and never trailed in the game.
Great performances from Hirssig, DeWitt, Stokke, Maslowski, and Van Vreede - all in double digit scoring.
Julia got her double/double - 27 points and 12 boards
Danielle hit for 20, Kim 12 and both Megan and Tricia had 10.
Stout hit 31 of 60 from the floor, including 7 of 15 from 3 point land and 21 of 27 from the charity line.
Point struggled with 27 of 65 from the floor, only 3 of 9 from beyond the arc and 19 of 25 on FT's.
Rebounds were a big part of the story - with Stout capturing 46 to only 26 for the Pointers.
Josi Schultz led the Point scoring with 22 points, followed by Flease with 16, Petersen 15 and Bandow with 10.
Next up, UWO on Saturday!
Stout started strong and never trailed in the game.
Great performances from Hirssig, DeWitt, Stokke, Maslowski, and Van Vreede - all in double digit scoring.
Julia got her double/double - 27 points and 12 boards
Danielle hit for 20, Kim 12 and both Megan and Tricia had 10.
Stout hit 31 of 60 from the floor, including 7 of 15 from 3 point land and 21 of 27 from the charity line.
Point struggled with 27 of 65 from the floor, only 3 of 9 from beyond the arc and 19 of 25 on FT's.
Rebounds were a big part of the story - with Stout capturing 46 to only 26 for the Pointers.
Josi Schultz led the Point scoring with 22 points, followed by Flease with 16, Petersen 15 and Bandow with 10.
Next up, UWO on Saturday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 03, 2010, 10:20:16 PM
Post by: buf on February 03, 2010, 10:20:16 PM
Congrats to coach T!
EC gets handled by RF by 20 or so points. T. Gregorich was on fire. EC played poorly on both ends.
EC gets handled by RF by 20 or so points. T. Gregorich was on fire. EC played poorly on both ends.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 03, 2010, 10:30:52 PM
Post by: billys on February 03, 2010, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 03, 2010, 12:58:17 PMBoth quality D3 kids; not D2 kids. Struck will do well in the WIAC. Pitt? We'll see. She was going to be a D3 kid before the injury; she is way too limited to play at a competitive D2. Hopefully she is able to rehab strong and be ready to go for them next year. They are putting together a good class.
Also, another note on recruiting. SP has 2 commitments at this point from 2 girls that were d2/d3 tweener types that are both pretty solid players. Jenna Pitt of Amherst and Christie Struck of Weyauwega-Fremont. Pitt tore her ACL and that is a likely reason why she ended up picking SP over going D2.
La Crosse leads most of the way with WW tonight; up 10 with about 8 or 9 minutes left; then WW takes control of the final 8 minutes and wins late. I think it was still a 6 point game with under five minutes to go. La Crosse has had some major scoring lapses at times this year in big games. This one would have been huge for them. Good game to watch though. With Osh and Sup coming up they should get to 8 conference wins. Then RF and Point to finish. Looks like we've now got our 6 tournament teams set. Just a matter of seeding
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 04, 2010, 12:51:59 AM
Post by: UWRF on February 04, 2010, 12:51:59 AM
It was a good ol' fashion beat down at Zorn tonight. 83-61 RF win.
Tiffany Gregorich dominated in the game with 30 points... including 20 first half points.
River Falls turned up the intensity on both ends of the floor and ran Eau Claire out of the building. That is a team I havent seen in about a month.
Big game this weekend with the Warhawks.
Tiffany Gregorich dominated in the game with 30 points... including 20 first half points.
River Falls turned up the intensity on both ends of the floor and ran Eau Claire out of the building. That is a team I havent seen in about a month.
Big game this weekend with the Warhawks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 04, 2010, 01:04:17 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 04, 2010, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: billys on February 03, 2010, 10:30:52 PMQuote from: hoop_junkie on February 03, 2010, 12:58:17 PMBoth quality D3 kids; not D2 kids. Struck will do well in the WIAC. Pitt? We'll see. She was going to be a D3 kid before the injury; she is way too limited to play at a competitive D2. Hopefully she is able to rehab strong and be ready to go for them next year. They are putting together a good class.
Also, another note on recruiting. SP has 2 commitments at this point from 2 girls that were d2/d3 tweener types that are both pretty solid players. Jenna Pitt of Amherst and Christie Struck of Weyauwega-Fremont. Pitt tore her ACL and that is a likely reason why she ended up picking SP over going D2.
La Crosse leads most of the way with WW tonight; up 10 with about 8 or 9 minutes left; then WW takes control of the final 8 minutes and wins late. I think it was still a 6 point game with under five minutes to go. La Crosse has had some major scoring lapses at times this year in big games. This one would have been huge for them. Good game to watch though. With Osh and Sup coming up they should get to 8 conference wins. Then RF and Point to finish. Looks like we've now got our 6 tournament teams set. Just a matter of seeding
I know what you mean, but when I say that I'm referring to the fact that they could play at the low d2 level. Pitt played AAU for fastbreak on a team that's chalked full of scholarship kids, a lot of times that alone can help a player get a scholarship. As for struck, her athleticism doesn't jump out at you if you're a scholarship school, but you have to be partial to kids that can score and make plays like her. Regardless, those are 2 good players committed to SP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 04, 2010, 07:24:32 AM
Post by: JMM on February 04, 2010, 07:24:32 AM
Was optimistic about EC a few days ago when I noted they might go 10-6. After watching the loss to RF, EC has a long way to go. Some good news is that Pippa Mansdorf played 9-10 minutes at the guard position and did well. Laura Olson hit foul trouble early (for a while) and when Pippa was put in EC easily handled the RF press. Good to see a real guard in there. RF played extremely well and looked very good. As I thought, Stout did take out SP. I still think Stout has great talent. Per previous posts, you need to let these kids play not keep yanking them out. If Stout keeps focused - they could make a heck of a run. Keeping focus to me means not be destracted by coach antics - I beleive DeWiit had 20 points last night. I still see Whitewater going 10-3. There is fire in their seniors and they have the most experience of all WIAC teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2010, 08:08:09 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2010, 08:08:09 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 04, 2010, 07:24:32 AM
I still think Stout has great talent. Per previous posts, you need to let these kids play not keep yanking them out. If Stout keeps focused - they could make a heck of a run. Keeping focus to me means not be destracted by coach antics - I beleive DeWiit had 20 points last night.
I wasn't at the game last night, but I listened to the whole thing and "watched" it through wonderful wordsmithing of our own illustrious "Stoutguy"... ;D
I expect you to buy me a beer after the Alumni game for that shameless plug, SG...
I don't think T's approach to coaching was markedly different last night then what you have watched him do in the past. They aren't "antics" they are solid coaching techniques.
You don't like the way he talks to the bench during the game. What he's doing is coaching those players that he can actually talk to what just happened - immediately after those players have seen the results of the play.
You seem to focus on when he's pointing out a bad decision on the floor. You also need to pay attention when he points out a good decision.
Trying any type of real communication to players on the floor while the ball is in play is extremely difficult. It distracts the players unless you can convey what you want with a quick word or hand signal. Distractions to players on the floor is not a good thing.
And yes, Danielle had a great game last night scoring 20. Her 4 of 7 shooting on 3 pointers really aided Stouts scoring efforts. She did get in foul trouble again - 2 in the first half and 2 in the second half, with the 4th foul coming with 8:09 left in the game. T sat her for about 3 minutes after that 4th foul, then put her back in for the rest of the game.
Evidently, whatever he communicated to her during those 3 minutes was effective. DD drained another 3 pointer, had 2 assists to Hirssig, had 2 rebounds and drew a foul by Josi Schultz.
12 minutes in the first half. 12 minutes in the second half. 9 and 11 points respectively.
Talked to T as the bus was heading by Wausau last night. He had nothing but good things to say about what his players had accomplished last night. He gave full credit to his players and took no credit himself.
Looking forward to seeing many of his former players back on the floor at Johnson Fieldhouse Saturday morning for the alumni game.
Hoping one of my personal favorites (T40 from Hayfield, MN, played her last year in '04, Stoutguy) can make it up from Texas (last year she came in from Colorado). I need my annual "hug"... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 04, 2010, 08:59:07 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 04, 2010, 08:59:07 AM
Tough loss for UWL last night. A win last night could have propelled them to a very strong finish. As I have said before this team will lose a tough game and then come back and win one they aren't supposed to. (this could be said about a lot of WIAC teams including Stout last night)
One promising thing from last night is that the scoring seems to be coming from different places. Latrenta went for 18 pts which was a career high. Frank asserted herself more offensively going for 17 pts, 15 boards, and 4 blocks. Now if they can get the scoring to be more consistent with all the starters they will be in good shape.
2 road wins at superior and oshkosh would be great for this team assuring that they finish .500 or above w/ a chance to pull an upset in the tourney. That would not be a bad season at all with this team losing no players going into next year.
One promising thing from last night is that the scoring seems to be coming from different places. Latrenta went for 18 pts which was a career high. Frank asserted herself more offensively going for 17 pts, 15 boards, and 4 blocks. Now if they can get the scoring to be more consistent with all the starters they will be in good shape.
2 road wins at superior and oshkosh would be great for this team assuring that they finish .500 or above w/ a chance to pull an upset in the tourney. That would not be a bad season at all with this team losing no players going into next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 11:05:06 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 11:05:06 AM
No offense intended and eveyone is entitled to their own opinion but this whole discussion about Coach Thomas's coaching style etc. is silly. His record and his relationship with his players, past and present, speaks for itself. The fact is that's he's built a strong, successfull program at Stout. He's recruited good players year in and year out. Those players have options in regards to where they want to play and they wouldn't be chosing Stout if his reputation was such that it had a negative impact on them. He subs a lot because his style of play requires it to keep players fresh. He calls a player out when they need to be and he praises them when it's appropriate. These aren't children any more. They're young adults and it's a hard world out there. Sometimes you get criticized and you better learn how to live with it and how to use it make yourself a better player and person.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
The WARHAWKS shot 25% and were out rebounded 30-16 yet only trailed by eight points, 32-24, at the end of the first half last night. They rallied to pull within two points, 34-32, to start the second half but LaCrosse made another run to increase their lead to double figures. WHITEWATER rallied again and took their first lead of the half by a single point, 59-58, with four minutes remaining. The WARHAWK lead grew to five points, 63-58, with about a minute and half to play before LaCrosse responded and pulled within a point 63-62. Nicole Bundy drained a jumper to make it 65-62 and stole LaCrosse's inbound pass. Kelsey Hendrickson was fouled and sank both free throws to put the WARHAWKS up 67-62. LaCrosse scored on a layup but was forced to foul Bundy who made both free throws to create the final 69-64.
Bundy led the WARHAWK scorers with 16 points and recorded 3 steals. Hendrickson finished with 13 points and added 3 steals to her league leading total. Sonntag added 12 points and had a team leading 5 assists.
Game changers:
1. After a miserable first half shooting percentage of 25 the WARHAWKS shot 53% in the second half. LaCrosse went in the opposite direction shooting 44% in the first half and 38% after that.
2. WHITEWATER was 14-18 from the free throw line. LaCrosse was 6-8.
3. WHITEWATER took better care of the ball with only 9 turnovers to 18 for LaCrosse and had 11 steals to just 2 for the Eagles. So despite having the advantage on the boards 47-37 and a 19-14 advantage on the offensive end LaCrosse actually took fewer shots than the WARHAWKS.
Bundy led the WARHAWK scorers with 16 points and recorded 3 steals. Hendrickson finished with 13 points and added 3 steals to her league leading total. Sonntag added 12 points and had a team leading 5 assists.
Game changers:
1. After a miserable first half shooting percentage of 25 the WARHAWKS shot 53% in the second half. LaCrosse went in the opposite direction shooting 44% in the first half and 38% after that.
2. WHITEWATER was 14-18 from the free throw line. LaCrosse was 6-8.
3. WHITEWATER took better care of the ball with only 9 turnovers to 18 for LaCrosse and had 11 steals to just 2 for the Eagles. So despite having the advantage on the boards 47-37 and a 19-14 advantage on the offensive end LaCrosse actually took fewer shots than the WARHAWKS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 04, 2010, 01:33:18 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 04, 2010, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Nicole Bundy drained a jumper to make it 65-62 and stole LaCrosse's inbound pass. Kelsey Hendrickson was fouled and sank both free throws to put the WARHAWKS up 67-62. LaCrosse scored on a layup but was forced to foul Bundy who made both free throws to create the final 69-64.
1 correction to the above...
00:22 UWL GOOD! LAYUP by Litrenta, Lindsey UWW 67 - UWL 64 (UWW by 3)
00:19 UWL FOUL by Litrenta, Lindsey
00:19 UWW MISSED FT SHOT by Sonntag, Heidi
REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM)
00:07 UWL MISSED 3 PTR by Larson, Taylor
REBOUND (DEF) by Bundy, Nicole
Sonntag missed a free throw and Lax had a chance to tie the game. Larson missed a 3 pointer as she ended the night 1 for 7 from 3.
You definitely hit the key points though. Very agressive defense by the warhawks generating some steals lead to some easy buckets.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 01:59:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 01:59:56 PM
I see, I missed the three-point attempt by LaCrosse which could have tied the game. Bundy was fouled with 4 seconds remaining and made both free throws following the missed three-point attempt.
My bad.
My bad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 04, 2010, 04:38:41 PM
Post by: billys on February 04, 2010, 04:38:41 PM
I agree with badgerwarhawk that it's a silly discussion about Coach T and his style. Although I've been somewhat annoyed reading some opinions that make it seem like he invented the game; the discussion about how his style and how he treats kids, based on bleacher observations, is completely unfair.
The guy can coach. And although I don't know if I'd ever send my daughter to play for him because of his style (which I believe could have cost them a Final Four trip or two) ... I would definitely send her there if he's going to make her a tougher kid, challenge her, and get after her when the time is right. Like BW said; it's a tough world. As long as they're not abusive, I want my kids to be coached by someone who's not going to spend all their time telling them how great they are.
In my opinion the reason Shirley and T continue to win is because they recruit/develop TOUGH kids. I am convinced Point continues to be successful because she makes them tough. Their talent level has dropped but their toughness has not. Same with Stout. That I have a TON of respect for that. Anyone can win home games and games they're supposed to win ... TOUGH teams win road games, tournament games, and games like Point did going into WW and games like Stout did last night.
The guy can coach. And although I don't know if I'd ever send my daughter to play for him because of his style (which I believe could have cost them a Final Four trip or two) ... I would definitely send her there if he's going to make her a tougher kid, challenge her, and get after her when the time is right. Like BW said; it's a tough world. As long as they're not abusive, I want my kids to be coached by someone who's not going to spend all their time telling them how great they are.
In my opinion the reason Shirley and T continue to win is because they recruit/develop TOUGH kids. I am convinced Point continues to be successful because she makes them tough. Their talent level has dropped but their toughness has not. Same with Stout. That I have a TON of respect for that. Anyone can win home games and games they're supposed to win ... TOUGH teams win road games, tournament games, and games like Point did going into WW and games like Stout did last night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
So you figure your daughter could have gotten Stout to a couple of DIII Final Fours, billys? ;) ;) :D j/k
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 04, 2010, 05:33:11 PM
Post by: billys on February 04, 2010, 05:33:11 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2010, 05:02:36 PMHaha ... no, she's not old enough yet!
So you figure your daughter could have gotten Stout to a couple of DIII Final Fours, billys? ;) ;) :D j/k
No, I thought they had a normal rotation good enough to get there but felt like the lack of time for their starters (Duoss especially) might have cost them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 04, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
Badger and billy
Sorry for my part in the discussion you refer to, but I guess I took strong exception to the implication that T's "antics" were counter productive when coaching college ball.
I understand mollycoddling in Middle School, and maybe some at the HS level.
But these are adults playing in DIII, and should be able to take constructive critism (even when somewhat aggressively done).
Peace, love and good wishes to all... ;D
Sorry for my part in the discussion you refer to, but I guess I took strong exception to the implication that T's "antics" were counter productive when coaching college ball.
I understand mollycoddling in Middle School, and maybe some at the HS level.
But these are adults playing in DIII, and should be able to take constructive critism (even when somewhat aggressively done).
Peace, love and good wishes to all... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 04, 2010, 08:13:15 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 04, 2010, 08:13:15 PM
The best part about having a tough minded coach is the players that do stick around in your program are generally tough minded themselves. I've always respected Coach T but girls do have to have some thick skin to play for him. But when you compromise your style as a coach you definitely won't be successful, you've got to be able to be yourself as a coach and I think Coach T does that pretty well. What you see is what you get and he knows his X's and O's as well!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 04, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Post by: BDB on February 04, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 04, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
I understand mollycoddling in Middle School, and maybe some at the HS level.
Mollycoddling? ??? ;D
Mark's players also get the benefit of his huge heart for their success on the court, in school and in life. I'm sure like the other WIAC coaches.
His intensity during the short time spent in actual games is just something they understand if they have the same heart for their own success.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2010, 07:11:32 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2010, 07:11:32 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on February 04, 2010, 08:37:01 PMMollycoddling? ??? ;D
If Molly's back for the alumni game tomorrow, I hope she didn't see that... :o
That's one young woman that surely doesn't need to be handled with velvet gloves!!! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2010, 12:27:49 PM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2010, 12:27:49 PM
Since I started the round on Coach T style, I will end it. His record speaks for itself and apparently from input on this board he is loved by his players. Better than I could ever do. Amen.
Really do beleive that Stout can end up with a wonderful finish and season.
Really do beleive that Stout can end up with a wonderful finish and season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 05, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
Post by: billys on February 05, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 05, 2010, 07:11:32 AMThat is the truth! She is actually the girl I think of when I think of the "identity" of their program. That kid was the definition of a "tough" player. The Geisslers as well.Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on February 04, 2010, 08:37:01 PMMollycoddling? ??? ;D
If Molly's back for the alumni game tomorrow, I hope she didn't see that... :o
That's one young woman that surely doesn't need to be handled with velvet gloves!!! ;D
Nechuta and Schultz for UWSP and more recently Van Gomple.
I can't determine yet if the "wussification" of America is a positive or negative for Thomas and Egner. On one hand it's going to get tougher for them to work with kids as time goes on ... on the other hand their opponents will not likely be as tough as they once were and they will still be toughing up their kids to whatever degree they are able.
I just don't see it with the other programs as much. WW a little bit but I've even read some snippets of articles where they at times question their own toughness.
Interesting topic
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2010, 04:47:28 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 05, 2010, 04:47:28 PM
Quote from: billys on February 05, 2010, 02:10:50 PMThat is the truth! She is actually the girl I think of when I think of the "identity" of their program. That kid was the definition of a "tough" player.
billy
By any chance were you down at Simpson College near Des Moines for the DIII tourney games there back in Molly's senior year?
Stout had dominated in the first half against Simpson and led by 14 at the break.
But in the second half we watched tht 14 point lead disappear and we knew we were in a battle!
With just under 10 minutes to go, Simpson trailed by only 1 point, and a few minutes later led by 3.
In the last half of the 2nd period Molly sank three 3 pointers, had an assist, a steal and a pair of FT's. Those are the things I can document by the stat sheets, but Molly was so much more that night. She was all over the floor harassing the Simpson players incessantly. She just wasn't ready to end her college career yet...
Now scoring 11 points in under 10 minutes may not be amazing for some players, but Molly only averaged 8.5 points per game her senior year.
Molly played 34 minutes that night, scored 19 (five 3 pointers!), had 10 rebounds, 9 assists and 5 steals.
Absolutely the toughest, most determined, single game performance I've ever witnessed by a player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
I can't determine yet if the "wussification" of America is a positive or negative for Thomas and Egner. On one hand it's going to get tougher for them to work with kids as time goes on ... on the other hand their opponents will not likely be as tough as they once were and they will still be toughing up their kids to whatever degree they are able. ...
Since the above was bought up. This was the essence of my point with Coach T. I call it old school. I think the world of college level basketball has moved beyond "old school." If the above is a statement that Coach T may have trouble working with kids because the world has changed - I agree. The world is a different place (right or wrong). One cannot parent the way parenting was done 20 years ago. You can end up in jail (right or wrong). I would argue what worked for coaching 10-15 years ago is no longer applicable and effective. Kids are different today. Maybe Stout needs a female coach that better relates to todays college woman. I mean nothing negative on Coach T, Kids come through a much different high school experience these days - kinder and more gentle. Can a sometimes mumbling at the bench when mistakes are made and a somewhat gruff approach be confusing to the team and impact performance, - I don't know but I wonder. That's what raised the question of antics and DD. Maybe someone close to the team has the answer.
Since the above was bought up. This was the essence of my point with Coach T. I call it old school. I think the world of college level basketball has moved beyond "old school." If the above is a statement that Coach T may have trouble working with kids because the world has changed - I agree. The world is a different place (right or wrong). One cannot parent the way parenting was done 20 years ago. You can end up in jail (right or wrong). I would argue what worked for coaching 10-15 years ago is no longer applicable and effective. Kids are different today. Maybe Stout needs a female coach that better relates to todays college woman. I mean nothing negative on Coach T, Kids come through a much different high school experience these days - kinder and more gentle. Can a sometimes mumbling at the bench when mistakes are made and a somewhat gruff approach be confusing to the team and impact performance, - I don't know but I wonder. That's what raised the question of antics and DD. Maybe someone close to the team has the answer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 05, 2010, 10:18:01 PM
Post by: billys on February 05, 2010, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 05, 2010, 09:58:55 PMKids are definitely different ... but I don't believe that means they are better off being coached that way. Personally I think that's a cop out. Show kids what they can accomplish with that "toughness" that no one else wants to get through to them.
I can't determine yet if the "wussification" of America is a positive or negative for Thomas and Egner. On one hand it's going to get tougher for them to work with kids as time goes on ... on the other hand their opponents will not likely be as tough as they once were and they will still be toughing up their kids to whatever degree they are able. ...
Since the above was bought up. This was the essence of my point with Coach T. I call it old school. I think the world of college level basketball has moved beyond "old school." If the above is a statement that Coach T may have trouble working with kids because the world has changed - I agree. The world is a different place (right or wrong). One cannot parent the way parenting was done 20 years ago. You can end up in jail (right or wrong). I would argue what worked for coaching 10-15 years ago is no longer applicable and effective. Kids are different today. Maybe Stout needs a female coach that better relates to todays college woman. I mean nothing negative on Coach T, Kids come through a much different high school experience these days - kinder and more gentle. Can a sometimes mumbling at the bench when mistakes are made and a somewhat gruff approach be confusing to the team and impact performance, - I don't know but I wonder. That's what raised the question of antics and DD. Maybe someone close to the team has the answer.
Division 1 is ruled by Geno Auriemma right now. Most talent? Yes. But he is Mark Thomas x1000 with how he talks to/deals with his players. Pat Summit is the same. Point does not have the "pure talent" some of the other schools in the league do but they're in first. Stout's talent level has dropped considerly (sans Hirssig) but they are still finding a way to win big games against teams that are better than them.
If anything it'll be more about the players they need to recruit ... cause they're still out there. And in some cases the families they need to recruit. Things had already softened up when Molly Hendricks came down the pike; they're still out there though. And Point has a lot of them. I will always be convinced talent with toughness wins way before even more talent does ... cause when the chips are down talent isn't always used to diving on the floor for a loose ball or taking a charge. The tough kid on the team always used to do that for them while they were being told by their coach and parents they didn't need to do that; just worry about scoring.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2010, 08:33:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2010, 08:33:45 AM
WIAC players make ESPN Academic All American Team!
Stout had two:
1st team - Julia Hirssig with a 3.96 GPA
3rd team - Megan Maslowski with a 3.92
Eau Claire had 1
2nd team - Hannah Messick with a 3.87
Whitewater had 1
3rd team - Heidi Sontagg with a 3.72
Congratulations to all 4 WIAC members for earning this honor!
Stout had two:
1st team - Julia Hirssig with a 3.96 GPA
3rd team - Megan Maslowski with a 3.92
Eau Claire had 1
2nd team - Hannah Messick with a 3.87
Whitewater had 1
3rd team - Heidi Sontagg with a 3.72
Congratulations to all 4 WIAC members for earning this honor!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 06, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Hirssig is the best in the conference. I was able to take in her performance on Wednesday night and she simply outworks people. She just has another level to her grit that few other players are willing to go to. If I am comparing her to Duoss, I would say Duoss is more talented being 4 inches taller or so, but Hirssig shows more effort and grit. Throw in Morton and you have the three best post players in the WIAC in the last 4 years with all respect to everyone else.
Big one today in River. If River wins out I believe they would own tie-breakers over WW and SP no matter what those other teams do for number 1 in the conference tournament. Funny how a 20 point win at Zorn can really turn around how you feel about a team haha.
Big one today in River. If River wins out I believe they would own tie-breakers over WW and SP no matter what those other teams do for number 1 in the conference tournament. Funny how a 20 point win at Zorn can really turn around how you feel about a team haha.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 06, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 06, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
Predictions for 2/6:
UWP @ EC
UWL@Superior
UWO@Stout
UWW@RF
UWP @ EC
UWL@Superior
UWO@Stout
UWW@RF
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2010, 10:32:04 PM
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2010, 10:32:04 PM
Another tough day for EC. UWP played great defense. Been a long tough year for the Blugolds. Desparately need play maker(s). Spent most of the time in the back court trying to get across the center line. Hard game to watch for Blugold fans. Congrats to Julia Hirssig. Now has claim to best Stout player ever.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 07, 2010, 12:19:58 AM
Post by: UWRF on February 07, 2010, 12:19:58 AM
River Falls came up big tonight to knock off the Warhawks.
Tiffany Gregorich had just a fraction of her 30 from Wednesday (4), but Maranda Dohrn was awesome. A career-high 18.
The Falcons are three wins away from their first conference title since 1989. Still lots of work to get done. Another big one on Saturday.
Nikki Guhr was also solid in the absence of Jenna Hanson, Guhr scored 5 points in a row right when the Warhawks were getting back into the game.
Tiffany Gregorich had just a fraction of her 30 from Wednesday (4), but Maranda Dohrn was awesome. A career-high 18.
The Falcons are three wins away from their first conference title since 1989. Still lots of work to get done. Another big one on Saturday.
Nikki Guhr was also solid in the absence of Jenna Hanson, Guhr scored 5 points in a row right when the Warhawks were getting back into the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 07, 2010, 05:12:11 AM
Post by: buf on February 07, 2010, 05:12:11 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 06, 2010, 10:32:04 PM
Another tough day for EC. UWP played great defense. Been a long tough year for the Blugolds. Desparately need play maker(s). Spent most of the time in the back court trying to get across the center line. Hard game to watch for Blugold fans.
Ditto
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2010, 04:27:29 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2010, 04:27:29 PM
HUGE win for the Falcons yesterday. River and Point are now the only two schools that control their own fate. Winner of that game on Saturday in Point is most likely going to win conference. Couple things going on with the tie-breakers. Correct me if I am wrong and this is all based on hypothetical scenarios.
Point loses at EC, but beats River, Platteville, and Lax. WW Wins out. SP would have the number one seed over WW because of tie-breakers. Both teams would finish with 12-4 records, with losses against each other, and EC, River, and Stout. Point would get the number one seed based on their 6-2 road record, compared to WW 5-3 road record.
River could throw a wrench into this and win the conference outright by winning out. Pretty good time of the year!
Point loses at EC, but beats River, Platteville, and Lax. WW Wins out. SP would have the number one seed over WW because of tie-breakers. Both teams would finish with 12-4 records, with losses against each other, and EC, River, and Stout. Point would get the number one seed based on their 6-2 road record, compared to WW 5-3 road record.
River could throw a wrench into this and win the conference outright by winning out. Pretty good time of the year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on February 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
Post by: Bears rule on February 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
Will someone explain how RF losses to Superior, then rolls EC and WW.
I know, I know, I said the winner would have 3-5 losses way back before the season started. Maybe #2 will have six losses. Could we be looking at #2 thru #6 seed be determined in the last week? SP was lucky to have a bye Saturday because they might have lost after Stout ripped then Wednesday at SP.
Now back to the RF game. Looks like WW could not shoot. Did anyone see the game. Were they just missing open shots.
I think a good bet would be whoever wins the conf regular season will NOT win the WIAC tournament because each week new teams look like world beaters.
Last week world beaters were Stout and RF, so we know next week will be tough for them.
What has happened to EC, two weeks ago we thought they turned the corner and will challenge for the top, now Platteville will be # 6 and EC will go home . EC has a tough schedule to end the year.
LX seems to be the most consistent week to week. So maybe they are the team to watch out for.
Is the WIAC teams knocking each other off hurting there chance to get more than one team into the NCAA tournament?
How about Mike Martz as Bears new Off Coordinator? Cutler may throw 40 TD and 30 int next year.
Looking for your thoughts.
I know, I know, I said the winner would have 3-5 losses way back before the season started. Maybe #2 will have six losses. Could we be looking at #2 thru #6 seed be determined in the last week? SP was lucky to have a bye Saturday because they might have lost after Stout ripped then Wednesday at SP.
Now back to the RF game. Looks like WW could not shoot. Did anyone see the game. Were they just missing open shots.
I think a good bet would be whoever wins the conf regular season will NOT win the WIAC tournament because each week new teams look like world beaters.
Last week world beaters were Stout and RF, so we know next week will be tough for them.
What has happened to EC, two weeks ago we thought they turned the corner and will challenge for the top, now Platteville will be # 6 and EC will go home . EC has a tough schedule to end the year.
LX seems to be the most consistent week to week. So maybe they are the team to watch out for.
Is the WIAC teams knocking each other off hurting there chance to get more than one team into the NCAA tournament?
How about Mike Martz as Bears new Off Coordinator? Cutler may throw 40 TD and 30 int next year.
Looking for your thoughts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 07, 2010, 05:03:01 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 07, 2010, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
Will someone explain how RF losses to Superior, then rolls EC and WW.
I know, I know, I said the winner would have 3-5 losses way back before the season started. Maybe #2 will have six losses. Could we be looking at #2 thru #6 seed be determined in the last week? SP was lucky to have a bye Saturday because they might have lost after Stout ripped then Wednesday at SP.
Now back to the RF game. Looks like WW could not shoot. Did anyone see the game. Were they just missing open shots.
I think a good bet would be whoever wins the conf regular season will NOT win the WIAC tournament because each week new teams look like world beaters.
Last week world beaters were Stout and RF, so we know next week will be tough for them.
What has happened to EC, two weeks ago we thought they turned the corner and will challenge for the top, now Platteville will be # 6 and EC will go home . EC has a tough schedule to end the year.
LX seems to be the most consistent week to week. So maybe they are the team to watch out for.
Is the WIAC teams knocking each other off hurting there chance to get more than one team into the NCAA tournament?
How about Mike Martz as Bears new Off Coordinator? Cutler may throw 40 TD and 30 int next year.
Looking for your thoughts.
At the d3 level of women's basketball, so much of the outcome is determined by matchups. I don't think you can look at common opponents, because you'll just get confused and frustrated as to why a bottom dweller beats a top level team and vice versa. Superior matches up better with RF than they do with Stout, Lax, WW and Point. That's what it really comes down to.
As for the WIAC getting 2 teams in the post-season, I hope they can. I would think that SP, WW and maybe RF have the resumes to get in without winning the conference outright. WW playing all those early season games versus IIAC opponents is smart because that conference gets a lot of respect. My hunch is that you will see 2 WIAC teams for sure and possibly a 3rd, depending on how things unfold down the stretch. If the regular season champ is different than the conf tourney champ then both will go. Does anyone know if Egner is on the selection committee still? That could impact who gets in from the WIAC as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2010, 05:15:29 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2010, 05:15:29 PM
She is no longer on the committee. Carollo is the WIAC rep and the Carthage coach is Central Region rep. River does not have a very impressive resume. Weak, weak non-conference schedule. SP and WW played some pretty tough teams during their non-conference season and faired pretty well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2010, 06:01:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2010, 06:01:22 AM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
What has happened to EC, two weeks ago we thought they turned the corner and will challenge for the top, now Platteville will be # 6 and EC will go home . EC has a tough schedule to end the year.
Far be it from me to be a cheerleader for UWEC, but I think your predicition is a little eary here...
Currently, EC is 6 - 6 in the WIAC and Platteville is 5 - 7.
The remaining games:
2/10/10 UW-Stevens Point @ UW-Eau Claire Eau Claire 7:00 PM
2/10/10 UW-Whitewater @ UW-Platteville Platteville 7:00 PM
2/13/10 UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Whitewater Whitewater 3:00 PM
2/13/10 UW-Stout @ UW-Platteville Platteville 4:00 PM
2/17/10 UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Superior Superior 7:00 PM
2/17/10 UW-Platteville @ UW-Stevens Point Stevens Point 7:00 PM
2/20/10 UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Stout Menomonie 3:00 PM
2/20/10 UW-River Falls @ UW-Platteville Platteville 4:00 PM
So Platteville currently sits a game behind UWEC, and plays UWSP, UWW, Stout and UWRF - the top 4 of the WIAC in the current standings. UWEC plays UWSP, UWW, Stout and Superior.
Platteville most assuredly could finish #6 over UWEC, but they have the more difficult schedule and need to come from behind to get there - although they do play 3 of 4 games at home and UWEC has 3 of 4 on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2010, 07:21:24 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2010, 07:21:24 AM
What a great day on Saturday for Stout!
The alumni game at 10:00 AM was fun to watch! A real good turnout of former players who showed they still had some "hops"... Molly H can still can 3 pointers with deadly accuracy, years after playing competitively! Had a nice chat with her parents and learned that Molly's brother is now playing in the NHL with the Colorado Avalanche.
Coach T interviewed all the former players while the action was going on the floor. It was interesting to learn what each of the alums had going on in their lives.
Before the "real" game, the University recognized Coach T for his 400th win. After Julia sank her 2nd basket, they stopped the game to recognize her as the all time leading scorer in Stout WBB history - breaking a 17 year old record held by Julie Maki. At half time, Coach T presented Julia's 1st Academic All American Award. Lot's of things to be happy about!!!
But yes, there was also a BB game. And it was against a team that we'd lost against on the road. How would this develop?
Well, UWO got the first basket, and then we tied it up right back. For the first 10 minutes of the game there was some back and forth - several ties and one more UWO lead (by 1 point) with 9:48 to go in the 1st half.
After that, Stout took control and for the most part it was double digit lead for most of the game. Half time 32 - 22 Stout. End of game 82 - 62 Stout.
Coach T was able to get every player on the team playing time. Julia led all scorers with 21 and added 11 boards for another double/double. She also had a game high 4 steals. Kim Stokke added 16 and Danielle DeWitt hit for 10.
Freshman Kimmy Kehr was 3 of 4 from beyond the arc for 9 points - which played a key roll in opening up things underneath for Julia as UWO was doubling Hirssig and leaving Kehr open outside. UWO held Hirssig to 4 points in the 1st half, but Julia came back with 17 points in only 13 minutes in the 2nd half.
Next up, Superior...
The alumni game at 10:00 AM was fun to watch! A real good turnout of former players who showed they still had some "hops"... Molly H can still can 3 pointers with deadly accuracy, years after playing competitively! Had a nice chat with her parents and learned that Molly's brother is now playing in the NHL with the Colorado Avalanche.
Coach T interviewed all the former players while the action was going on the floor. It was interesting to learn what each of the alums had going on in their lives.
Before the "real" game, the University recognized Coach T for his 400th win. After Julia sank her 2nd basket, they stopped the game to recognize her as the all time leading scorer in Stout WBB history - breaking a 17 year old record held by Julie Maki. At half time, Coach T presented Julia's 1st Academic All American Award. Lot's of things to be happy about!!!
But yes, there was also a BB game. And it was against a team that we'd lost against on the road. How would this develop?
Well, UWO got the first basket, and then we tied it up right back. For the first 10 minutes of the game there was some back and forth - several ties and one more UWO lead (by 1 point) with 9:48 to go in the 1st half.
After that, Stout took control and for the most part it was double digit lead for most of the game. Half time 32 - 22 Stout. End of game 82 - 62 Stout.
Coach T was able to get every player on the team playing time. Julia led all scorers with 21 and added 11 boards for another double/double. She also had a game high 4 steals. Kim Stokke added 16 and Danielle DeWitt hit for 10.
Freshman Kimmy Kehr was 3 of 4 from beyond the arc for 9 points - which played a key roll in opening up things underneath for Julia as UWO was doubling Hirssig and leaving Kehr open outside. UWO held Hirssig to 4 points in the 1st half, but Julia came back with 17 points in only 13 minutes in the 2nd half.
Next up, Superior...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisco87 on February 08, 2010, 11:27:27 AM
Post by: wisco87 on February 08, 2010, 11:27:27 AM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
Will someone explain how RF losses to Superior, then rolls EC and WW.
I know, I know, I said the winner would have 3-5 losses way back before the season started. Maybe #2 will have six losses. Could we be looking at #2 thru #6 seed be determined in the last week? SP was lucky to have a bye Saturday because they might have lost after Stout ripped then Wednesday at SP.
Now back to the RF game. Looks like WW could not shoot. Did anyone see the game. Were they just missing open shots.
Looking for your thoughts.
Hi, I haven't posted on this board yet, but I did see both RF vs. WW games. I guess you could say I'm a new fan of the conference, and I'm not very familiar with teams other then River Falls at this point, so I am by no means an expert, but thought I could try to answer some of your questions about the game.
It looked as if Coach Holbrook and her team made a lot of adjustments for this game. The loss to WW a few weeks ago was their first of the season, and was the start of a string of bad losses for the team. In this game, RF came out with a different starting lineup adding some more speed to the starting 5. A big difference between the last game and this game was RF didn't use their full court press much, if at all during the game. This allowed them to set up in the half court, where they played very good defense. WW didn't get many open shots in this game, and RF did a good job of denying touches in the post. WW then had to shoot from the outside where there shoots didn't seem to be falling very well (3-19 from three). #21 Nicole Bundy for WW really showed her range, as many of her three's came well out side the 3pt line, outside of Bundy; however, no one else made a 3 for WW.
Since RF didn't press, it seemed they had more energy for the full 40 minutes, which allowed them to consistently break WW's full-court press. WW plays a very good defense, especially in the full-court, and that was a major reason for why RF lost in the first meeting. However, RF guards really attacked the middle of the press this time, and was able to make some good things happen for them. Most importantly, they were able to get the ball into the post, which is very difficult against WW post players, but after breaking the press RF had the numbers and was able to find the open player. Rf outscored WW 38-12 points in the paint, thanks in part to the baskets generated from the press breaker, but also due to the play of #35 Maranda Dorhn for RF who played very well and had 18 pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2010, 11:43:49 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2010, 11:43:49 AM
Welcome aboard Wisco87! Always room for more. +K
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 08, 2010, 01:44:17 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 08, 2010, 01:44:17 PM
RF has played the two most complete games they have played all season following that UGLY loss to Superior.
They looked like a team that realized there shot at the NCAA tournament was slowly slipping away.
The Falcons dominated EC and WW in two completely different ways. Offensively they killed EC and defensively they whooped WW.
Its going to be a great game in Stevens Point this weekend!
They looked like a team that realized there shot at the NCAA tournament was slowly slipping away.
The Falcons dominated EC and WW in two completely different ways. Offensively they killed EC and defensively they whooped WW.
Its going to be a great game in Stevens Point this weekend!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 08, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 08, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 07, 2010, 05:15:29 PM
She is no longer on the committee. Carollo is the WIAC rep and the Carthage coach is Central Region rep. River does not have a very impressive resume. Weak, weak non-conference schedule. SP and WW played some pretty tough teams during their non-conference season and faired pretty well.
Well, that is good news for the conference I suppose. The only thing that might hurt the WIAC for getting a 2nd or 3rd team in is how strong the CCIW is this year. I looked on Massey Ratings a couple of weeks ago and I believe the CCIW was ranked as the 2nd or 3rd strongest league in the country. In years past, they've been around the 9th-11th best league in d3 for WBBALL. I see both Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan getting in, especially if Carthage finishes the season strong. That could end up costing the WIAC a team this year. Keep in mind, there are 52 conferences in women's d3 ball (I think).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2010, 07:21:36 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 08, 2010, 07:21:36 PM
A few pictures from the Stout Alumni game...
The group shot:
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The "bench" players waiting for their turn:
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A few action shots:
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Coach T conducting a interview:
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Coach's mom, daughter, wife and sister cheering his 400th win:
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Coach T presenting Julia with her 1st Team Academic All American Award:
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The group shot:
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 08, 2010, 10:56:55 PM
Post by: billys on February 08, 2010, 10:56:55 PM
hoopsjunkie-
I saw on the IIAC board you mentioned the NCAA recently made it alright for D3 coaches to coach AAU?
Do you have any links or info on this? Just think it is a really weird rule change
I saw on the IIAC board you mentioned the NCAA recently made it alright for D3 coaches to coach AAU?
Do you have any links or info on this? Just think it is a really weird rule change
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 09, 2010, 07:52:37 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 09, 2010, 07:52:37 AM
I don't have any literature on this new rule change, however I've personally seen an electronic copy of the new rule and had it confirmed by more than one source.
On an unrelated note, in case we needed confirmation that the WIAC was the #1 conference in d3 for wbb, here's the actual proof...
IIAC coming in at 3rd, so we will see if WW playing all those schools will help their resume should they not win the conf tourney.
1 Wisconsin IAC 9 54 26 0.157 3.18 65.62 1.50 1.82 0.5787
2 NE Smalls 10 100 28 0.064 1.27 63.27 1.93 2.55 0.3518
3 Iowa IAC 9 46 35 -0.080 -1.44 65.89 -3.40 1.69 0.4447
4 University AA 8 66 21 -0.083 -2.51 61.23 0.19 3.68 0.4456
5 Northwest 9 39 40 -0.092 -1.98 61.22 0.73 2.86 0.3960
6 Ill & Wisc 8 51 36 -0.122 -3.38 62.76 -2.21 2.16 0.3159
7 Little East 8 60 26 -0.217 -4.52 58.84 0.57 3.45 0.4384
8 Minnesota IAC 12 15 23 -0.218 -4.95 61.55 -2.56 2.12 0.4457
9 Centennial 11 32 17 -0.311 -6.99 58.24 -1.29 1.04 0.4224
10 Michigan IAA 9 37 39 -0.370 -8.35 57.40 -1.81 2.30 0.3810
11 New Jersey A.C. 10 64 47 -0.371 -8.05 58.69 -2.81 2.06 0.2879
12 Midwest 10 38 29 -0.383 -8.70 59.17 -3.94 4.07 0.3925
13 Ohio AC 10 37 32 -0.394 -8.88 60.41 -5.35 2.14 0.4765
14 Landmark 8 58 27 -0.396 -9.40 58.16 -3.63 2.65 0.3453
15 NAIA 1 429 346 -0.410 -6.84 58.94 -1.84 2.71 1.0000
15 NAIA II 1 392 462 -0.410 -6.84 58.94 -1.84 2.71 1.0000
15 California Pacific 1 26 69 -0.410 -6.84 58.94 -1.84 2.71 1.0000
18 American SW 15 32 28 -0.416 -9.29 59.82 -5.17 4.76 0.3844
19 Mid Atlantic 15 80 66 -0.443 -9.72 57.76 -3.54 3.08 0.4262
20 Southern CAC 12 60 41 -0.449 -9.78 61.60 -7.45 4.68 0.4113
21 Capital 9 38 34 -0.497 -11.21 55.23 -2.50 2.58 0.3718
22 Southern Cal IAC 8 55 31 -0.524 -12.00 56.67 -4.73 1.35 0.3294
23 Empire 8 9 40 34 -0.552 -12.07 56.12 -4.25 1.45 0.4531
24 Liberty League 8 40 40 -0.582 -13.42 54.95 -4.44 1.51 0.5336
25 Mass St 7 48 35 -0.614 -14.25 55.70 -6.02 4.02 0.5582
26 Presidents' AC 10 37 32 -0.624 -13.68 55.43 -5.17 3.95 0.4458
27 Old Dominion AC 11 23 26 -0.649 -14.33 56.19 -6.59 2.11 0.3927
28 NCAA 438 433 283 -0.675 -15.03 55.53 -6.62 2.65 0.3514
28 NCAA III 438 255 294 -0.675 -15.03 55.53 -6.62 2.65 0.3514
30 Heartland CAC 9 31 47 -0.680 -14.68 56.60 -7.35 3.32 0.4666
31 SUNY AC 10 31 37 -0.683 -15.01 53.94 -5.01 2.17 0.4419
32 USA South 10 34 25 -0.685 -15.75 56.02 -7.83 2.74 0.3621
33 Northern Athletic 13 28 48 -0.704 -15.51 54.28 -5.86 1.53 0.4702
34 Upper Midwest 8 33 45 -0.773 -17.29 52.92 -6.27 0.46 0.3840
35 North Coast AC 9 30 48 -0.786 -17.36 54.64 -8.07 2.44 0.4313
36 NE W&M 10 25 38 -0.823 -18.27 50.12 -4.45 1.43 0.4094
37 Commonwealth Coast 14 82 75 -0.904 -20.32 52.53 -8.92 2.84 0.4276
38 Colonial States 11 44 50 -0.953 -20.91 54.53 -11.51 2.59 0.3217
39 St Louis IAC 10 32 62 -0.968 -21.37 53.38 -10.81 3.08 0.4587
40 Skyline 10 34 27 -1.064 -24.10 50.40 -10.56 2.02 0.3038
41 Great Northeast 13 75 84 -1.082 -24.16 51.72 -11.94 1.98 0.3436
42 Allegheny Mtn 11 18 32 -1.149 -25.55 50.52 -12.13 2.07 0.3021
43 City Univ NY 10 36 66 -1.150 -25.04 51.63 -12.73 1.55 0.3369
44 Great South 8 22 45 -1.248 -27.07 50.47 -13.60 4.63 0.2929
45 NCAA III Ind 21 98 222 -1.318 -28.87 48.58 -13.51 2.26 0.2571
46 North Atlantic 8 30 49 -1.338 -29.88 49.54 -15.48 4.28 0.3802
47 Pennsylvania AC 1 4 14 -1.351 -29.69 40.74 -6.49 3.57 1.0000
48 North Eastern AC 11 29 53 -1.550 -34.72 43.81 -14.59 4.72 0.3654
49 New England CC 9 14 57 -1.941 -43.08 39.69 -18.83 2.54 0.3491
On an unrelated note, in case we needed confirmation that the WIAC was the #1 conference in d3 for wbb, here's the actual proof...
IIAC coming in at 3rd, so we will see if WW playing all those schools will help their resume should they not win the conf tourney.
1 Wisconsin IAC 9 54 26 0.157 3.18 65.62 1.50 1.82 0.5787
2 NE Smalls 10 100 28 0.064 1.27 63.27 1.93 2.55 0.3518
3 Iowa IAC 9 46 35 -0.080 -1.44 65.89 -3.40 1.69 0.4447
4 University AA 8 66 21 -0.083 -2.51 61.23 0.19 3.68 0.4456
5 Northwest 9 39 40 -0.092 -1.98 61.22 0.73 2.86 0.3960
6 Ill & Wisc 8 51 36 -0.122 -3.38 62.76 -2.21 2.16 0.3159
7 Little East 8 60 26 -0.217 -4.52 58.84 0.57 3.45 0.4384
8 Minnesota IAC 12 15 23 -0.218 -4.95 61.55 -2.56 2.12 0.4457
9 Centennial 11 32 17 -0.311 -6.99 58.24 -1.29 1.04 0.4224
10 Michigan IAA 9 37 39 -0.370 -8.35 57.40 -1.81 2.30 0.3810
11 New Jersey A.C. 10 64 47 -0.371 -8.05 58.69 -2.81 2.06 0.2879
12 Midwest 10 38 29 -0.383 -8.70 59.17 -3.94 4.07 0.3925
13 Ohio AC 10 37 32 -0.394 -8.88 60.41 -5.35 2.14 0.4765
14 Landmark 8 58 27 -0.396 -9.40 58.16 -3.63 2.65 0.3453
15 NAIA 1 429 346 -0.410 -6.84 58.94 -1.84 2.71 1.0000
15 NAIA II 1 392 462 -0.410 -6.84 58.94 -1.84 2.71 1.0000
15 California Pacific 1 26 69 -0.410 -6.84 58.94 -1.84 2.71 1.0000
18 American SW 15 32 28 -0.416 -9.29 59.82 -5.17 4.76 0.3844
19 Mid Atlantic 15 80 66 -0.443 -9.72 57.76 -3.54 3.08 0.4262
20 Southern CAC 12 60 41 -0.449 -9.78 61.60 -7.45 4.68 0.4113
21 Capital 9 38 34 -0.497 -11.21 55.23 -2.50 2.58 0.3718
22 Southern Cal IAC 8 55 31 -0.524 -12.00 56.67 -4.73 1.35 0.3294
23 Empire 8 9 40 34 -0.552 -12.07 56.12 -4.25 1.45 0.4531
24 Liberty League 8 40 40 -0.582 -13.42 54.95 -4.44 1.51 0.5336
25 Mass St 7 48 35 -0.614 -14.25 55.70 -6.02 4.02 0.5582
26 Presidents' AC 10 37 32 -0.624 -13.68 55.43 -5.17 3.95 0.4458
27 Old Dominion AC 11 23 26 -0.649 -14.33 56.19 -6.59 2.11 0.3927
28 NCAA 438 433 283 -0.675 -15.03 55.53 -6.62 2.65 0.3514
28 NCAA III 438 255 294 -0.675 -15.03 55.53 -6.62 2.65 0.3514
30 Heartland CAC 9 31 47 -0.680 -14.68 56.60 -7.35 3.32 0.4666
31 SUNY AC 10 31 37 -0.683 -15.01 53.94 -5.01 2.17 0.4419
32 USA South 10 34 25 -0.685 -15.75 56.02 -7.83 2.74 0.3621
33 Northern Athletic 13 28 48 -0.704 -15.51 54.28 -5.86 1.53 0.4702
34 Upper Midwest 8 33 45 -0.773 -17.29 52.92 -6.27 0.46 0.3840
35 North Coast AC 9 30 48 -0.786 -17.36 54.64 -8.07 2.44 0.4313
36 NE W&M 10 25 38 -0.823 -18.27 50.12 -4.45 1.43 0.4094
37 Commonwealth Coast 14 82 75 -0.904 -20.32 52.53 -8.92 2.84 0.4276
38 Colonial States 11 44 50 -0.953 -20.91 54.53 -11.51 2.59 0.3217
39 St Louis IAC 10 32 62 -0.968 -21.37 53.38 -10.81 3.08 0.4587
40 Skyline 10 34 27 -1.064 -24.10 50.40 -10.56 2.02 0.3038
41 Great Northeast 13 75 84 -1.082 -24.16 51.72 -11.94 1.98 0.3436
42 Allegheny Mtn 11 18 32 -1.149 -25.55 50.52 -12.13 2.07 0.3021
43 City Univ NY 10 36 66 -1.150 -25.04 51.63 -12.73 1.55 0.3369
44 Great South 8 22 45 -1.248 -27.07 50.47 -13.60 4.63 0.2929
45 NCAA III Ind 21 98 222 -1.318 -28.87 48.58 -13.51 2.26 0.2571
46 North Atlantic 8 30 49 -1.338 -29.88 49.54 -15.48 4.28 0.3802
47 Pennsylvania AC 1 4 14 -1.351 -29.69 40.74 -6.49 3.57 1.0000
48 North Eastern AC 11 29 53 -1.550 -34.72 43.81 -14.59 4.72 0.3654
49 New England CC 9 14 57 -1.941 -43.08 39.69 -18.83 2.54 0.3491
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 09, 2010, 11:46:36 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 09, 2010, 11:46:36 AM
Congrats to Hirssig on player of the week. Well deserved with becoming the Stout all time leading scorer.
What a week for her in addition to the 27 and 12 vs. point.
Another impressive week in the WIAC came from Frank at UWL. Nice to see her putting up some #s on the offensive end.
vs. WW 17 pts 15 boards and 4 blocks
vs. Superior 15 pts 14 boards and 5 blocks
Not a bad week
What a week for her in addition to the 27 and 12 vs. point.
Another impressive week in the WIAC came from Frank at UWL. Nice to see her putting up some #s on the offensive end.
vs. WW 17 pts 15 boards and 4 blocks
vs. Superior 15 pts 14 boards and 5 blocks
Not a bad week
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 09, 2010, 05:21:51 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 09, 2010, 05:21:51 PM
Frank is a big time presence in the lane! When she is out of the game, UWL is a totally different team. I watched their game on Saturday at Superior and the difference in the game outside from UWL having more talent was just the size and strength of the UWL kids was on a different level then that of the Superior players. Physically, UWL just wore them down with their size.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 09, 2010, 09:47:44 PM
Post by: JMM on February 09, 2010, 09:47:44 PM
So then for the WIAC on WEDS:
Does EC get it's act together in time to beat SP, Nope - no playmakers; no win
Does Platville charge toward the tournament by beating WW, No way Ray, WW all the way
Does Superior stun the super hot Blue Devils, Forget it - Devils skipping to high tourney seed.
Does La Crosse stay alive by going all that way to Oshkosh to win, Absolutely great coach
And the big winnr RF who gets a bye to rest for the big game at RF vs SP on Saturday - yes they will win
Stay tuned. I've been wrong so many times I'm getting dizzy
Does EC get it's act together in time to beat SP, Nope - no playmakers; no win
Does Platville charge toward the tournament by beating WW, No way Ray, WW all the way
Does Superior stun the super hot Blue Devils, Forget it - Devils skipping to high tourney seed.
Does La Crosse stay alive by going all that way to Oshkosh to win, Absolutely great coach
And the big winnr RF who gets a bye to rest for the big game at RF vs SP on Saturday - yes they will win
Stay tuned. I've been wrong so many times I'm getting dizzy
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on February 09, 2010, 09:57:23 PM
Post by: closetothechest on February 09, 2010, 09:57:23 PM
Wait, do you have River winning @ SP on Saturday? It is Senior Day in Berg and I don't think Point has lost on Senior Day in a long long time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 07:36:05 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 07:36:05 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 09, 2010, 09:47:44 PM
Does La Crosse stay alive by going all that way to Oshkosh to win, Absolutely great coach
Just what do you base this on?
I've met Lois and like her. She is a wonderful person and a good coach.
But a great coach?
Through the end of last season, she has a .459 winning percentage overall, and a .363 in the WIAC. Her best ever finish in the WIAC is 4th place in the 2005/06 season. She only has 3 winning WIAC seasons (9 - 7 each time) out of 10 years in the league.
Now I'll give you the fact that La Crosse was not a good team when Lois got there. And I'll give you the fact that she's had winning seasons in 3 of the last 4 years, and may, with her current 7 - 6 WIAC record, have a shot at a winning season this year to make it 4 out of 5.
But her last three games this season are UWO, UWRF and UWSP, so it's too early to say for sure. If she wins all three, she finishes 10 - 6, which would be her career year in her 11th season. But 10 - 6 may not even get her a home game in the WIAC tourney. More likely is an 8 - 8 or a 9 - 7 finish.
Both Cindy Holbrook and Keri Carollo (9 and 7 complete seasons respectively) have already amassed more wins in fewer years than Lois and both Cindy and Keri have overall winning records.
I think Lois has improved the quality of play in La Crosse. She seems to be able to recruit some of the better WBB players. I think she is a good coach.
But I really want to know why you think she's a great coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2010, 08:36:39 AM
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2010, 08:36:39 AM
Great Coach - guess it is a case of measures. Sitting right behind her and her bench during the Stout game, I could not help but to be impressed by the way she lead her team. So my definiton of great is not a measure of won and loss. Anyone can win 300 games in 20 years. If leadership can be observed, and if leadership is a sign of great, then, I see her as a great coach. Appreciate that some may view a statement of great as being a measure of statisitcs and proven fact.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 10, 2010, 08:39:10 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 10, 2010, 08:39:10 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 10, 2010, 08:36:39 AM
Anyone can win 300 games in 20 years.
I've never disagreed with any statement more than this one. A bum off the street can win 15 games a season over two decades? That's a credibility wrecker, JMM.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 09:22:33 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 09:22:33 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 10, 2010, 08:36:39 AM
Great Coach - guess it is a case of measures. Sitting right behind her and her bench during the Stout game, I could not help but to be impressed by the way she lead her team. So my definiton of great is not a measure of won and loss. Anyone can win 300 games in 20 years. If leadership can be observed, and if leadership is a sign of great, then, I see her as a great coach. Appreciate that some may view a statement of great as being a measure of statisitcs and proven fact.
I asked you why you think Lois is a great coach. And all you can tell me is that you observed her for one game and you were impressed? ONE GAME?
Now mind you, you also told us that you didn't like the way Coach T kept Danielle DeWitt out of the game in the overtimes against La Crosse playing "head games" with her. Well your powers of observation aren't the best, because we had to inform you that DeWitt fouled in regulation...
So excuse me if I don't give your one game impression a lot of value.
If anyone can win 300 games in 20 years, can I safely assume that anyone can win 150 games in 10 years?
By YOUR standards, Lois must be a terrible coach as she only had 117 wins in her 1st ten years in the WIAC, and won't even hit 150 at the end of her 11th season. It's entirely possible that she may not hit 150 wins in 12 seasons.
You are impressed with Lois' style. We understand that. You can like her style all you want, but that doesn't make her a great coach.
Regardless of the win total, a great coach should be able to at least amass a winning record in her conference. To accomplish that in the WIAC, Lois would have to win her next 44 WIAC games in a row to be 109 - 108.
That would be nearly 3 complete seasons without a WIAC loss. That's never happened in the history of the WIAC, so if Lois were to do that I'd be jumping on the bandwagon saying Lois is a great coach.
In the meantime, I'll say Lois is a good coach that is working towards developing a good program at La Crosse. It took her 7 years to get her first winning season in the WIAC. Now she has 3 out of the last 4 years with winning records. She has a chance of making it 3 in a row this season. But maybe she should have at least one WIAC Conference Championship before considering her to be a great coach, or at least a 12 or 13 win season in the WIAC.
In sports they keep score for a reason. Seems to me you want to turn the scoreboard off to protect your opinion.
Well, your opinion isn't worth much in my opinion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 10, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 10, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
If your coach is as good as you say he is, let him do the coaching.
I question how great he is when you have to defend him like someone's going to die over the topic.
Just an outside observation who has not seen much of the WIAC coaches.
For the record...
I'm still undecided on what I think about Lois as a coach. I agree that by this point she should have had a team at the top of the conference. Maybe that time is next year ;D
Also, 300 wins in 20 years is great and all. It definitely speaks to a coaches longevity. 15 wins is an average season though. The years he has been at head coach are more impressive to me than the wins.
I question how great he is when you have to defend him like someone's going to die over the topic.
Just an outside observation who has not seen much of the WIAC coaches.
For the record...
I'm still undecided on what I think about Lois as a coach. I agree that by this point she should have had a team at the top of the conference. Maybe that time is next year ;D
Also, 300 wins in 20 years is great and all. It definitely speaks to a coaches longevity. 15 wins is an average season though. The years he has been at head coach are more impressive to me than the wins.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 10:43:23 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 10, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
If your coach is as good as you say he is, let him do the coaching.
Trust me, I've never attempted to try and coach basketball. I'm a fan.
QuoteI question how great he is when you have to defend him like someone's going to die over the topic.
And I don't think I've ever posted that he is a great coach. I've merely posted on what he has done with his program since he took it over. If what he's done makes him great, than so be it.
And it most surely isn't a life or death issue. This is a bulletin board and people give their opinions.
QuoteAlso, 300 wins in 20 years is great and all. It definitely speaks to a coaches longevity. 15 wins is an average season though. The years he has been at head coach are more impressive to me than the wins.
The number is 401 in less than 23 complete seasons, FWIW. ;D 300 wins was done in less than 20. ;)
The longevity is due to success. There are only 2 active HC's in the WIAC with 20 or more years - Shirley and Coach T.
It's not just a coincidence that these 2 HC's have won all the WIAC tournaments in the last 6 years (3 each). ;D
We have several good coaches in the WIAC. That's what makes this league a great conference. Sometimes it works to our disadvantage (national rankings), but I think it makes for better teams when you play a higher level of competition on a regular basis.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 01:42:14 PM
UWL is probably the easiest school of all the WIAC's to recruit to. No offense to any of the other great institutions, but UWL is one of if not the best academic institution in the WIAC. They turn away more applicants every year than any other WIAC school. My point here I guess is, lets hold off on calling someone great who can't seem to get her team out of the middle of this league. UWL recruits itself, case in point when 2 years ago a player who now starts at UWM was playing intramurals there (Ashley Imperiale). There's no reason that UWL shouldn't be finishing in the top 3 every year in the WIAC. I think the sole reason they don't is because they're not all that well coached. They ALWAYS have talent!!! Another classic example of this is 2 years ago they had a kid named Sierra Spaude who now is on scholarship at D1 Univ of Detroit. When Spaude was at UWL she hardly even played, but she leaves the program, goes to a D1 and sees more PT than she did at a D3. Something isn't right here? That cupboard has been stocked since the beginning of time at UWL and frankly, finishing 4th and 5th all the time isn't exactly accomplishing a whole lot when you consider the resources they have.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 10, 2010, 02:20:26 PM
Post by: billys on February 10, 2010, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 01:42:14 PMI disagree with the original statement that she's a great coach. There is no proof in the pudding to be able to say that. JMM liked that she doesn't yell at her kids during the game; that appears to be where this comes from.
UWL is probably the easiest school of all the WIAC's to recruit to. No offense to any of the other great institutions, but UWL is one of if not the best academic institution in the WIAC. They turn away more applicants every year than any other WIAC school. My point here I guess is, lets hold off on calling someone great who can't seem to get her team out of the middle of this league. UWL recruits itself, case in point when 2 years ago a player who now starts at UWM was playing intramurals there (Ashley Imperiale). There's no reason that UWL shouldn't be finishing in the top 3 every year in the WIAC. I think the sole reason they don't is because they're not all that well coached. They ALWAYS have talent!!! Another classic example of this is 2 years ago they had a kid named Sierra Spaude who now is on scholarship at D1 Univ of Detroit. When Spaude was at UWL she hardly even played, but she leaves the program, goes to a D1 and sees more PT than she did at a D3. Something isn't right here? That cupboard has been stocked since the beginning of time at UWL and frankly, finishing 4th and 5th all the time isn't exactly accomplishing a whole lot when you consider the resources they have.
But the above statement is completely false. UWL is not even close to the easiest school to recruit to. Not by a long shot. The first thing you brought up may be the biggest reason why; because they turn kids away through the admissions process. It takes a very high ACT and class rank to get into UWL and, despite what people think, athletic teams there don't get tons of leeway to use special admissions. At one point they had to use one of those to get in a kid with a 25 ACT and if a kid has an 18 or 19 (which a lot of kids do) forget about it. Stout, WW, and UWSP with their facilities, fan bases, and lower entry requirements (not to mention success and tradition) are easier to recruit to. UWEC has similar entrance standards but scores in all the other departments. Not to mention UWL is the only one of those without a full-time assistant coach.
Ashley Imperiale is a non-issue. She went there because she thought she had to go somewhere else before she could play at Milwaukee. She had friends there so that's where she went. The intention the entire time was to go back to Milwaukee.
Sierra Spaude is now two years older/stronger/smarter/more developed than she was as a true freshman. I'm not saying she should have/shouldn't have played at UWL, I just don't think comparing a kid's freshman year in the WIAC to their Junior year in the Horizon league is a great gauge. There are a lot of kids who can't function as freshmen who go onto be great players.
If anything I think La Crosse's problems have been recruiting and talent. The cupboard hasn't been stocked since the beginning of time. They've had two or three decent classes but I fear it's closer to turning back into what it was 7-8 years ago. In my opinion, Frank transferring this year was the difference between the season they're having, and the season Oshkosh is having.
As an alumn I actually think the program would be best served with a new coach. But it's not as easy there as you think it is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
Well, let's define great. Bobby Knight - Great coach or not? Billy Martin great coach or not? Casey Stengl great coach or not? I'd say know to all three. John G. from St John's great coach absolutley.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 10, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
Well, let's define great.
Well, I would start with a coach that has a stong winning record.
Then I'd add in the respect and admiration of his/her players and peers.
QuoteBobby Knight - Great coach or not?
I don't know.
QuoteBilly Martin great coach or not?
When he was good, he was very good. When he wasn't, he wasn't. But the guy that hired and fired him many times - George Steinbrenner - stated that when Martin was in his best form, he was a "baseball genius."
The Yankees retired his number, so I guess I'd say he needs to have the word "great" associated with his name.
QuoteCasey Stengl great coach or not?
He's in the Baseball Hall of Fame, so I'd say he qualifies.
QuoteI'd say know to all three.
How did I know that you'd say that?
QuoteJohn G. from St John's great coach absolutley.
I heard he got caught yelling at his players once or twice. He must be a terrible coach... sarcasm alert...
But he has won alot of games, 27 MIAC Championships and 4 National Championships, so inspite of the fact he got caught yelling at his players, I'd say he's a great coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 09:23:55 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 09:23:55 PM
Quote from: billys on February 10, 2010, 02:20:26 PMQuote from: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 01:42:14 PMI disagree with the original statement that she's a great coach. There is no proof in the pudding to be able to say that. JMM liked that she doesn't yell at her kids during the game; that appears to be where this comes from.
UWL is probably the easiest school of all the WIAC's to recruit to. No offense to any of the other great institutions, but UWL is one of if not the best academic institution in the WIAC. They turn away more applicants every year than any other WIAC school. My point here I guess is, lets hold off on calling someone great who can't seem to get her team out of the middle of this league. UWL recruits itself, case in point when 2 years ago a player who now starts at UWM was playing intramurals there (Ashley Imperiale). There's no reason that UWL shouldn't be finishing in the top 3 every year in the WIAC. I think the sole reason they don't is because they're not all that well coached. They ALWAYS have talent!!! Another classic example of this is 2 years ago they had a kid named Sierra Spaude who now is on scholarship at D1 Univ of Detroit. When Spaude was at UWL she hardly even played, but she leaves the program, goes to a D1 and sees more PT than she did at a D3. Something isn't right here? That cupboard has been stocked since the beginning of time at UWL and frankly, finishing 4th and 5th all the time isn't exactly accomplishing a whole lot when you consider the resources they have.
But the above statement is completely false. UWL is not even close to the easiest school to recruit to. Not by a long shot. The first thing you brought up may be the biggest reason why; because they turn kids away through the admissions process. It takes a very high ACT and class rank to get into UWL and, despite what people think, athletic teams there don't get tons of leeway to use special admissions. At one point they had to use one of those to get in a kid with a 25 ACT and if a kid has an 18 or 19 (which a lot of kids do) forget about it. Stout, WW, and UWSP with their facilities, fan bases, and lower entry requirements (not to mention success and tradition) are easier to recruit to. UWEC has similar entrance standards but scores in all the other departments. Not to mention UWL is the only one of those without a full-time assistant coach.
Ashley Imperiale is a non-issue. She went there because she thought she had to go somewhere else before she could play at Milwaukee. She had friends there so that's where she went. The intention the entire time was to go back to Milwaukee.
Sierra Spaude is now two years older/stronger/smarter/more developed than she was as a true freshman. I'm not saying she should have/shouldn't have played at UWL, I just don't think comparing a kid's freshman year in the WIAC to their Junior year in the Horizon league is a great gauge. There are a lot of kids who can't function as freshmen who go onto be great players.
If anything I think La Crosse's problems have been recruiting and talent. The cupboard hasn't been stocked since the beginning of time. They've had two or three decent classes but I fear it's closer to turning back into what it was 7-8 years ago. In my opinion, Frank transferring this year was the difference between the season they're having, and the season Oshkosh is having.
As an alumn I actually think the program would be best served with a new coach. But it's not as easy there as you think it is.
Do you know how many kids want to go to UWL? That's why it's an easy sell, because everyone in Wisconsin wants to go there. And for girls basketball, most HS girls players are also good students and those are the type of players that you want in a program anyways. Name one school that's an easier sell? Maybe Whitewater because of their facilities and location right between Mad/Milw or maybe EC, that's about it. Girls of that age want to go to a school that has a nice campus, good facilities and be in a community that has something going on. Lax has all of this. I guess the point of my last rant was that UWL could be a lot better then they are and the reason they're not is because they don't recruit as hard as they should. When you're one of the premiere institutions in the state get out on the recruiting scene and throw your weight around. This idea that you're going to sit back and let players come to you is lazy and inefficient. Every year in Wis you have a decent number of kids that are d2 tweener types and high end d3 recruits. A school like UWL should be in the mix with the majority of all those kids.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 10, 2010, 09:58:11 PM
Post by: cubs on February 10, 2010, 09:58:11 PM
WOW!!!!!!
Superior knocks off Stout tonight 76-73.
Eau Claire knocks off Point 80-67.
La Crosse easily beats Oshkosh 68-51. (Led by 30 at one point in 2nd half.)
Whitewater beat Platteville 88-77.
Superior knocks off Stout tonight 76-73.
Eau Claire knocks off Point 80-67.
La Crosse easily beats Oshkosh 68-51. (Led by 30 at one point in 2nd half.)
Whitewater beat Platteville 88-77.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 10, 2010, 10:05:15 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 10, 2010, 10:05:15 PM
UWL crushes Oshkosh tonight. I think they were up 40 to 10 at a point.
Frank gets her first career triple double. 10 pts, 10 boards, and 10 blocks. At least that's what the oshkosh announcers said. We'll see what the final box score says.
Frank gets her first career triple double. 10 pts, 10 boards, and 10 blocks. At least that's what the oshkosh announcers said. We'll see what the final box score says.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 10, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
What happened in the Stout/Superior game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2010, 10:50:10 PM
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2010, 10:50:10 PM
EC finally vacated the underneath game and trounced SP. Stout falls to Superior, and my noting that the coach of LAX is great doesn't fly. My predictions for WIAC totallly wrong. Therefore, the entity known as JMM signs off from d3Hoops permanently. Live long and prosper.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on February 10, 2010, 11:37:46 PM
Post by: Bears rule on February 10, 2010, 11:37:46 PM
What a wierd night. Well at least things are normal in the WIAC.
LX cruises
WW almost lost to Plat
Superior GIANT killers again
EC what a difference a few days make
RF feels like a winner and they did not even play
The WIAC needs a new name for this season.
Crazy WIAC?
What goes up most come down WIAC?
Any ideas?
LX cruises
WW almost lost to Plat
Superior GIANT killers again
EC what a difference a few days make
RF feels like a winner and they did not even play
The WIAC needs a new name for this season.
Crazy WIAC?
What goes up most come down WIAC?
Any ideas?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2010, 01:19:12 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2010, 01:19:12 AM
Wins and losses is but one way to measure a collegiate coach... I happen to think there are so many more factors that we, as mere fans, are not necessarily privy to seeing that factor into being called a great collegiate coach...
Perhaps some of you have heard of John Wooden, who defines success as: "peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best that you are capable of becoming." He outlines his philosophies and wisdom in his 15-block Pyramid of Success.
Since I've never been privy to practices, riding on team buses, in the huddle, or in the lockerroom, I'm not qualified to truly measure the greatness of any coach in this league. I don't know what values he/she has instilled in his/her players, what wisdom or life's lessons he/she has taught, nor the impact he/she has had on his/her players... Nor do I know many of the players on a personal level, nor the successes they have had off court, so...
But I know that if a coach has made a positive impact on his/her players, which then puts them, in life after the hardwood floors, on course to achieve the success in life that Wooden defines in his Pyramid, then that person is a great coach.
And I'd prefer to think that every coach in this league is a great one... To suggest otherwise, and base it on but one factor, Ws and Ls, is perhaps naive and ignorant of what the role of a coach at the collegiate level really is...
Perhaps some of you have heard of John Wooden, who defines success as: "peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best that you are capable of becoming." He outlines his philosophies and wisdom in his 15-block Pyramid of Success.
Since I've never been privy to practices, riding on team buses, in the huddle, or in the lockerroom, I'm not qualified to truly measure the greatness of any coach in this league. I don't know what values he/she has instilled in his/her players, what wisdom or life's lessons he/she has taught, nor the impact he/she has had on his/her players... Nor do I know many of the players on a personal level, nor the successes they have had off court, so...
But I know that if a coach has made a positive impact on his/her players, which then puts them, in life after the hardwood floors, on course to achieve the success in life that Wooden defines in his Pyramid, then that person is a great coach.
And I'd prefer to think that every coach in this league is a great one... To suggest otherwise, and base it on but one factor, Ws and Ls, is perhaps naive and ignorant of what the role of a coach at the collegiate level really is...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 09:49:03 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 09:49:03 AM
QuoteDo you know how many kids want to go to UWL? That's why it's an easy sell, because everyone in Wisconsin wants to go there
Wow. That's quite a statement. Having grown up in Wisconsin and raised two daughters in Wisconsin, I have to tell you not everyone wants to go to school there. As a matter of fact, I don't think we even considered it. From my experience, everyone wants to go to the school that's not too far away from home but far enough away that mom and dad can't drop in without warning; a place that at least a couple other people from the high school go to; a school that has an academic program of interest. Not even every athlete wants to go to LaCrosse, as evidenced by all the people who go elsewhere without being rejected by LaCrosse.
QuoteGirls of that age want to go to a school that has a nice campus, good facilities and be in a community that has something going on
First of all, by the time they're in college, they're women--admittedly they don't always act it. Second, the only thing I remembered about LaCrosse was Octoberfest and that didn't always turn out well. And, yes, a clean bathroom is always a plus.
I believe you got yourself caught up in blanket statements and that's usually dangerous.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I agree with a lot of your points here, but the fact remains that UWL is a program that has underachieved in terms of wins/losses. I think coaches can be great leaders/mentors and win games. Obviously, John Wooden was an example of this and in a class of his own. I just think that UWL is a school that's WBB program should be ranked in the top 25 year in and year out based on its resources.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 11, 2010, 09:50:44 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 11, 2010, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 10, 2010, 11:37:46 PMWacky WIAC applies more than ever this year.
What a wierd night. Well at least things are normal in the WIAC.
LX cruises
WW almost lost to Plat
Superior GIANT killers again
EC what a difference a few days make
RF feels like a winner and they did not even play
The WIAC needs a new name for this season.
Crazy WIAC?
What goes up most come down WIAC?
Any ideas
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 11, 2010, 10:00:55 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 11, 2010, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 09:49:03 AMPlease remind me never to get into a pissing contest with you, Phoenix_rising, because you are way too good. Great post. I saw you at our Men's game last night. Didn't get a chance to say "hi". I know I am on the wrong board but too lazy to switch back over, but your men are fun to watch (your coach, not so much). Wouldn't want to play those guys again and really won't enjoy playing them next year.QuoteDo you know how many kids want to go to UWL? That's why it's an easy sell, because everyone in Wisconsin wants to go there
Wow. That's quite a statement. Having grown up in Wisconsin and raised two daughters in Wisconsin, I have to tell you not everyone wants to go to school there. As a matter of fact, I don't think we even considered it. From my experience, everyone wants to go to the school that's not too far away from home but far enough away that mom and dad can't drop in without warning; a place that at least a couple other people from the high school go to; a school that has an academic program of interest. Not even every athlete wants to go to LaCrosse, as evidenced by all the people who go elsewhere without being rejected by LaCrosse.QuoteGirls of that age want to go to a school that has a nice campus, good facilities and be in a community that has something going on
First of all, by the time they're in college, they're women--admittedly they don't always act it. Second, the only thing I remembered about LaCrosse was Octoberfest and that didn't always turn out well. And, yes, a clean bathroom is always a plus.
I believe you got yourself caught up in blanket statements and that's usually dangerous.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
Stoutguy--Did you see me sobbing uncontrollably?
I looked for you. Were you broadcasting? Where were you? Up in the back? What the hey?
By the way, you'd likely win in a pissing contest. Really.
I looked for you. Were you broadcasting? Where were you? Up in the back? What the hey?
By the way, you'd likely win in a pissing contest. Really.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 11, 2010, 10:27:27 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 11, 2010, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
Stoutguy--Did you see me sobbing uncontrollably?
I looked for you. Were you broadcasting? Where were you? Up in the back? What the hey?
By the way, you'd likely win in a pissing contest. Really.
Ya, I usually only bring up contests when I have a good chance of winning ::) We were way up on top. I do games with 4 different play by play guys and one older fella (cowboy hat-I think you know him) insists on going up in the crow's nest. It sucks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2010, 10:56:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2010, 10:56:09 AM
The first half of the WARHAWK/Platteville game was a see-saw affair which saw 9 ties and an incredible 25 lead changes before ending with Platteville up a single point 48-47. Nicole Bundy had 20 of those points for the WARHAWKS and Charity Stotmeister (19) and Stacia Nemitz (12) combined for 31 of Platteville's 48. The WARHAWKS shot 59% and Platteville 67% from the floor. The second half started the same way with the teams alternating the lead until Platteville made a run to go up by seven 62-55 with thirteen and half minutes to play. Over the next five minutes the WARHAWKS made a run of their own and were up 68-67. Platteville tied the game 68-68 but the WARHAWKS pulled ahead on a steal and lay up by Chantel Burg and finished the game with a 20-9 run, scoring their final eight points from the free throw line, for the 88-77 win.
Bundy finished with 30 points while Heidi Sonntag and Kelsey Hendrickson had 17 points apiece. Burg also finished in double figures with 14 points. Hendrickson added 3 steals to her league leading total and had 6 assists. Sonntag also had 6 assists. Courtney Kumerow led the WARHAWKS in rebounds with 7. The WARHAWKS hit 21 of 23 free throw attempts and finished 55.6% from the floor.
Stotmeister and Nemitz led Platteville with 24 and 23 points respectively.
Bundy finished with 30 points while Heidi Sonntag and Kelsey Hendrickson had 17 points apiece. Burg also finished in double figures with 14 points. Hendrickson added 3 steals to her league leading total and had 6 assists. Sonntag also had 6 assists. Courtney Kumerow led the WARHAWKS in rebounds with 7. The WARHAWKS hit 21 of 23 free throw attempts and finished 55.6% from the floor.
Stotmeister and Nemitz led Platteville with 24 and 23 points respectively.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 11, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
Post by: billys on February 11, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 09:50:12 AMI think you severely overestimate the "resources" UWL has. You say get out and recruit; I say again, they're virtually the only school that doesn't have a full time assistant. Heck I would venture to say Lois is on the road as much as any "head" coach in the league, if not more. You say everyone wants to go there; you have no idea how untrue that is. You say "most" high school girls basketball players are good students- "Good" students don't get into UWL, great students do if they're lucky.
I agree with a lot of your points here, but the fact remains that UWL is a program that has underachieved in terms of wins/losses. I think coaches can be great leaders/mentors and win games. Obviously, John Wooden was an example of this and in a class of his own. I just think that UWL is a school that's WBB program should be ranked in the top 25 year in and year out based on its resources.
I agree that they should probably win more games. Being a perennial Top 25 team is a huge undertaking no matter who you are. La Crosse has a ZERO dollar recruiting budget, no assistant coach, stringent academic standards, and is in a weak part of the state for girls high school basketball with no real "hub" closer than a couple hours away. There's a lot more too it than saying, "It should be easy there."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
Cry me a river! That's quite the list of excuses there! I will give you the fact that not having a full-time assistant makes it much more difficult to go out and recruit, but try telling that to the number of private schools that have been outworking a lot of the WIAC's in recruiting over the past couple of years. The hardest working recruiter in the WIAC is Don Mulhern at Superior. He has to teach a full load of classes, has no full-time assistant, a limited budget and is located in SUPERIOR but yet he manages to see tons of games and tons of players. Obviously his circumstances are different then UWL's but he manages to get after the recruiting pretty hard. Again, all I'm saying is Lax should be a lot better then they are and it starts with recruiting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2010, 01:47:26 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2010, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
I agree with a lot of your points here, but the fact remains that UWL is a program that has underachieved in terms of wins/losses. I think coaches can be great leaders/mentors and win games. Obviously, John Wooden was an example of this and in a class of his own. I just think that UWL is a school that's WBB program should be ranked in the top 25 year in and year out based on its resources.
UWL has always geared its resources toward football and track and field, where they have excelled at the national level... See the new stadium, for example - which also helps the city keep the state high school track meet...
If UWL has better resources than most schools in the country, how come the men's tennis and baseball teams have been on the verge of getting cut???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 11, 2010, 01:47:47 PM
Post by: cubs on February 11, 2010, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 11, 2010, 09:50:12 AMIf that's the case, outside their Wrestling, Track and Field, and Cross Country teams, just about all of their athletic teams are under performing then. When is the last time the football, Men's basketball, Volleyball or baseball teams won a WIAC Championship?
I agree with a lot of your points here, but the fact remains that UWL is a program that has underachieved in terms of wins/losses. I think coaches can be great leaders/mentors and win games. Obviously, John Wooden was an example of this and in a class of his own. I just think that UWL is a school that's WBB program should be ranked in the top 25 year in and year out based on its resources.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 01:59:32 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 01:59:32 PM
I agree LaCrosse should be doing better than they are. For all that, I can't figure out why some teams are doing as well as they are. There were several seasons when I couldn't believe they weren't at the top of the WIAC; they seem to implode at the wrong time--as if there's ever a good time to implode.
LaCrosse is not in a great geographical part of the state; how many schools does it compete with for recruits? Winona, Twin Cities schools, Platteville, EC, Stout, River Falls, even Madison. Dubuque. Its natural recruiting area is a bunch of small-town schools in all directions. That said, EC, Stout, River Falls have similar issues, but they hit the Twin Cities megalopolis area hard.
LaCrosse is probably better known for its track and gymnastics(?) than basketball. A good program attracts good recruits. It's one of those circular things: if you don't have a name, it's pretty hard to make a name. Basketball players know about reputations of Point, Stout, Whitewater, so they think getting recuited by one or more of those schools means they'll play. How unpleasant a surprise is it when they have to sit for two or three years? I know one good player left EC for LaCrosse and got playing time and contributed to wins. The bigger question: why didn't she get playing time at EC?
I don't know about the recruiting budget, but I can't believe any is as bad as Superior's. Superior doesn't really believe in women's sports; they have to support them, so they can have men's sports. It's a political thing.
The last, and maybe the hardest part of coaching, is putting together a team from the players who show up. What if everybody is under 5'8"? What if you have three who are 6'2" and were stars at Gilmanton or Plum City or Podunk Junction or wherever but are slow and can't catch on to the pace of the college game? What if your star senior or junior tears an ACL early in the season? What if your promising freshman is academically ineligible the second half of the season, because she paid more attention to basketball than academics--shouldn't happen, right? Ha. What if many of those things happened in the same year?
LaCrosse is not in a great geographical part of the state; how many schools does it compete with for recruits? Winona, Twin Cities schools, Platteville, EC, Stout, River Falls, even Madison. Dubuque. Its natural recruiting area is a bunch of small-town schools in all directions. That said, EC, Stout, River Falls have similar issues, but they hit the Twin Cities megalopolis area hard.
LaCrosse is probably better known for its track and gymnastics(?) than basketball. A good program attracts good recruits. It's one of those circular things: if you don't have a name, it's pretty hard to make a name. Basketball players know about reputations of Point, Stout, Whitewater, so they think getting recuited by one or more of those schools means they'll play. How unpleasant a surprise is it when they have to sit for two or three years? I know one good player left EC for LaCrosse and got playing time and contributed to wins. The bigger question: why didn't she get playing time at EC?
I don't know about the recruiting budget, but I can't believe any is as bad as Superior's. Superior doesn't really believe in women's sports; they have to support them, so they can have men's sports. It's a political thing.
The last, and maybe the hardest part of coaching, is putting together a team from the players who show up. What if everybody is under 5'8"? What if you have three who are 6'2" and were stars at Gilmanton or Plum City or Podunk Junction or wherever but are slow and can't catch on to the pace of the college game? What if your star senior or junior tears an ACL early in the season? What if your promising freshman is academically ineligible the second half of the season, because she paid more attention to basketball than academics--shouldn't happen, right? Ha. What if many of those things happened in the same year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: sumfun on February 11, 2010, 02:18:12 PM
Post by: sumfun on February 11, 2010, 02:18:12 PM
There's a lot of luck in every season when it comes to injuries and other aspects. Who can step up and take their place of a key player can make or break a season. Certainly you make your own luck, but a deep bench is the best insurance policy.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on February 11, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
Post by: jam8788 on February 11, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
I brought the LAX topic up almost exactly one year ago and no one seemed interested in talking about it:
"During Heeren's 10 years, the highest they've finished is 4th (2005-2006) and the other years they placed 6th or worst (not including this year's 5th place). They are losing a bunch of starters to graduation at the end of the year, almost ensuring another mediocre season next year. At some point doesn't the administration have to wonder why the program struggles so much?"
I guess it took one more average season for people to start talking about it finally.
I agree with the posters that think LAX is an underachieving women's basketball school.
"During Heeren's 10 years, the highest they've finished is 4th (2005-2006) and the other years they placed 6th or worst (not including this year's 5th place). They are losing a bunch of starters to graduation at the end of the year, almost ensuring another mediocre season next year. At some point doesn't the administration have to wonder why the program struggles so much?"
I guess it took one more average season for people to start talking about it finally.
I agree with the posters that think LAX is an underachieving women's basketball school.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
What makes you think the administration cares? What's riding on a women's basketball winning season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 11, 2010, 09:22:35 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 11, 2010, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on February 11, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
I brought the LAX topic up almost exactly one year ago and no one seemed interested in talking about it:
"During Heeren's 10 years, the highest they've finished is 4th (2005-2006) and the other years they placed 6th or worst (not including this year's 5th place). They are losing a bunch of starters to graduation at the end of the year, almost ensuring another mediocre season next year. At some point doesn't the administration have to wonder why the program struggles so much?"
I guess it took one more average season for people to start talking about it finally.
I agree with the posters that think LAX is an underachieving women's basketball school.
Not sure where you got that information. This team is losing 0 starters going into next year. They have one senior on the team. Hanna (not melissa) Lang. She plays maybe 10 minutes a game. Expect big things from this team next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 12:24:49 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 12:24:49 AM
Now that we've broken down how we feel about UWL, lets examine a team that's in a far worse state and probably deserves more criticism than any other program in the league and that is Oshkosh. What's their excuse? They're in the most talent heavy area in the state and yet there they sit at the bottom of the WIAC. I will give them credit that they did bring in 3 nice freshman this year, but last place in the WIAC for a team that used to rule the land not all that long ago. It's kind of sad what has happened to that program. Curious if anyone thinks that Schumacher is on the hot seat?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 12:43:16 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 12:43:16 AM
The only explanation I've had for UW-Oshkosh is that Teri Schumacher just didn't "get" recruiting when she arrived. I don't think she had an appreciation for how hard you have to work recruiting even entering a good situation like UWO had. A good friend of mine lives in Oshkosh and goes to many HS games. He was stunned at how many Oshkosh West games Schumacher attended in her first couple of years at UWO. He'd say, "she can't possibly be seeing very many kids if she's watching 12-14 Oshkosh West games." He's told me she's not around as much anymore, which is likely a good thing.
I think she thought the talent would show up and all she had to do was coach them. Time will tell if she's got a handle on it now.
I think she thought the talent would show up and all she had to do was coach them. Time will tell if she's got a handle on it now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 12, 2010, 09:03:16 AM
Post by: stoutguy on February 12, 2010, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 12:43:16 AMYou make a good point about her being at all those Osh games. I always feel badly for WIAC coaches who have to miss there own kid's games because they have to recruit but there is no substitute for the head coach being at many, many games during the hs season. Also, it seems that for whatever reason, Schumacher lost kids who were out during the season. I remember one game that she dressed only 8 kids. That was a red flag for me.
The only explanation I've had for UW-Oshkosh is that Teri Schumacher just didn't "get" recruiting when she arrived. I don't think she had an appreciation for how hard you have to work recruiting even entering a good situation like UWO had. A good friend of mine lives in Oshkosh and goes to many HS games. He was stunned at how many Oshkosh West games Schumacher attended in her first couple of years at UWO. He'd say, "she can't possibly be seeing very many kids if she's watching 12-14 Oshkosh West games." He's told me she's not around as much anymore, which is likely a good thing.
I think she thought the talent would show up and all she had to do was coach them. Time will tell if she's got a handle on it now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 12, 2010, 09:46:36 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 12, 2010, 09:46:36 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on February 11, 2010, 01:59:32 PMLaCrosse is not in a great geographical part of the state; how many schools does it compete with for recruits? Winona, Twin Cities schools, Platteville, EC, Stout, River Falls, even Madison. Dubuque. Its natural recruiting area is a bunch of small-town schools in all directions. That said, EC, Stout, River Falls have similar issues, but they hit the Twin Cities megalopolis area hard.
There are several good to very good current WIAC players that were physically as close or closer to UWL than they were to the WIAC schools they are playing for.
1. Julia Hirssig - Rochester, MN - Stout
2. Hannah Messick - Chatfield, MN - UWEC
3. Daniel Frank - Caledonia, MN - UWL
4. Samantha Piske - Bangor, WI - UWP
5. Maranda Dohrn - Lake City, MN - UWRF
6. Alise Holst - Plainview, MN - UWRF
7. Josi Schultz - Eau Claire, WI - UWSP
8. Anna Peterson - Osseo, WI - UWS
9. Katie Zavodny - Boyceville, WI - UWS
10. Hailey Hart - Osseo, WI - UWS
Those 10 players would make an excellent team!
I just can't see that UWL has it any tougher than other WIAC schools to compete for recruits. You mention that EC, RF and Stout go into the Twin Cities to recruit - but how many colleges are there in the Twin Cities?
Many of the MN kids listed here are in the SE MN area that I live. I know I get frustrated that all those young women aren't at Stout. UWL has one of them - Danielle Frank and UWL is the closest WIAC school to her hometown of Caledonia, MN.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 12, 2010, 10:25:43 AM
Post by: cubs on February 12, 2010, 10:25:43 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 12:43:16 AMJust playing deveils advocate here.....
He was stunned at how many Oshkosh West games Schumacher attended in her first couple of years at UWO. He'd say, "she can't possibly be seeing very many kids if she's watching 12-14 Oshkosh West games." He's told me she's not around as much anymore, which is likely a good thing.
I think she thought the talent would show up and all she had to do was coach them. Time will tell if she's got a handle on it now.
She did get two Oshkosh West girls in Boeder and Wenig, so maybe that is why she was at so many games?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on February 12, 2010, 10:35:48 AM
Post by: jam8788 on February 12, 2010, 10:35:48 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 11, 2010, 09:22:35 PMQuote from: jam8788 on February 11, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
I brought the LAX topic up almost exactly one year ago and no one seemed interested in talking about it:
"During Heeren's 10 years, the highest they've finished is 4th (2005-2006) and the other years they placed 6th or worst (not including this year's 5th place). They are losing a bunch of starters to graduation at the end of the year, almost ensuring another mediocre season next year. At some point doesn't the administration have to wonder why the program struggles so much?"
I guess it took one more average season for people to start talking about it finally.
I agree with the posters that think LAX is an underachieving women's basketball school.
Not sure where you got that information. This team is losing 0 starters going into next year. They have one senior on the team. Hanna (not melissa) Lang. She plays maybe 10 minutes a game. Expect big things from this team next year.
If you read the whole post, I said that I brought this topic up exactly one year ago, which was the end of last season when they were losing impactful seniors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 10:39:33 AM
Sure, but given her Oshkosh West connection, don't you think she could have landed those kids by seeing 2 or 3 games and making a few phone calls and a home visit. As a recruiter you have to constantly weigh your opportunity cost.
There's a fine line being casting a wide net and targeting key kids for special attention. That's where I think Schumacher was on the wrong page. While Boeder and Wenig are decent, are they really big impact players that would justify that kind of recruiting attention? Probably not.
There's a fine line being casting a wide net and targeting key kids for special attention. That's where I think Schumacher was on the wrong page. While Boeder and Wenig are decent, are they really big impact players that would justify that kind of recruiting attention? Probably not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 12, 2010, 12:48:55 PM
Post by: billys on February 12, 2010, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 12, 2010, 09:03:16 AMI would argue that has been her biggest issue thus far. She's brought in a 2-3 good classes ... except they've got starters leaving annually before their junior year.Quote from: Just Bill on February 12, 2010, 12:43:16 AMYou make a good point about her being at all those Osh games. I always feel badly for WIAC coaches who have to miss there own kid's games because they have to recruit but there is no substitute for the head coach being at many, many games during the hs season. Also, it seems that for whatever reason, Schumacher lost kids who were out during the season. I remember one game that she dressed only 8 kids. That was a red flag for me.
The only explanation I've had for UW-Oshkosh is that Teri Schumacher just didn't "get" recruiting when she arrived. I don't think she had an appreciation for how hard you have to work recruiting even entering a good situation like UWO had. A good friend of mine lives in Oshkosh and goes to many HS games. He was stunned at how many Oshkosh West games Schumacher attended in her first couple of years at UWO. He'd say, "she can't possibly be seeing very many kids if she's watching 12-14 Oshkosh West games." He's told me she's not around as much anymore, which is likely a good thing.
I think she thought the talent would show up and all she had to do was coach them. Time will tell if she's got a handle on it now.
I guess I've learned in the past week how many recruiting experts are on the boards; well at least there's discussion going on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:02:45 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:02:45 PM
Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 12, 2010, 01:18:52 PM
Post by: billys on February 12, 2010, 01:18:52 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:02:45 PM1. How so?
Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.
2. Baganz, Boeder, Pugh, Ebbens was a solid group. Since people on here acknowledge transfers as "recruiting" Churchill is a solid player.
3. Absolutely agree
4. Which is again what I think is the bigger issue. If you take every player that's been in her recruiting classes and leave them all in the program; they could be winning some games this year and be in conference tournament. I don't think she realized that at D3 you can only push so much, especially when you're rebuilding. Cause if you're losing and getting chewed out ... you start running out of reasons to stick around and see it through.
5. You've got quite a strong opinion on 1/4 of the coaches in the league. I assume you're not worried about them learning your affiliation?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: billys on February 12, 2010, 01:18:52 PMQuote from: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:02:45 PM1. How so?
Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.
2. Baganz, Boeder, Pugh, Ebbens was a solid group. Since people on here acknowledge transfers as "recruiting" Churchill is a solid player.
3. Absolutely agree
4. Which is again what I think is the bigger issue. If you take every player that's been in her recruiting classes and leave them all in the program; they could be winning some games this year and be in conference tournament. I don't think she realized that at D3 you can only push so much, especially when you're rebuilding. Cause if you're losing and getting chewed out ... you start running out of reasons to stick around and see it through.
5. You've got quite a strong opinion on 1/4 of the coaches in the league. I assume you're not worried about them learning your affiliation?
1. Had her major I believe which is fair to say. But I still don't think they know what they've got with her. She would've been a scholarship kid if she played in a better AAU club. I base that off of how athletic she is, how hard she plays and how good of a scorer she is. At one time she did have some interest from Parkside. I just don't think she got the exposure in HS that she should've.
2. That's an okay group but they can do so much better. She was recruiting kids like Myklebust and Megan McGowan who are low end d3 players. Why even waste time going after those kind of kids. Chase the studs! And Churchill left Stout because she didn't care for Coach Thomas' style so whether she was recruited at UWO doesn't matter. She went there, she's started for 2 years now and is a good player for them.
3. Fox cities area has been loaded with good HS post players in the 2009 and 2010 classes, so I find it hard to believe that none of these kids would've been interested in UWO had they been pursued harder. That being said, I guess we'll have to wait and see what they get in the 2010 class.
4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.
5. I really don't care. I see a lot of games and know a lot of ppl. I also know what it takes to win at a high level, and I hate seeing people butcher great head coaching positions like we have in the WIAC. As for my affiliation, I really have none at the collegiate level. I'm just a fan of good basketball. I know some might think I'm overly critical but I really just want to see this league be even better then it already is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 12, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 12, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
hoops junkie =
4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.
Before you make a blanket general statement, why don't you provide us with the number of players who have left the other WIAC programs over recent years, too??? Let's see if EC is actually guilty of this??? Or are you just throwing numbers out there, like was in the case of the number of recruits brought in to EC was exaggerated here; I corrected that.
Your comment doesn't hold any weight if you don't provide names. You did earlier in a Jan. 15 post (or thereabouts), saying three recruits had left the program, but were not able to establish that that was indeed the case. One player was not listed on the roster of the school you thought she transfered to.
The other two? I then pointed out one was still enrolled at UWEC and the other, if I recall correctly, was still there, too, but had stopped playing due to injury. Why don't you check these players out and give us updates as to where they are now??? Perhaps now that the second semester is in full swing, you can provide this accurate info to back up your claim...
Players come and go for various reasons - some can't cut it, some realize they are not good fits in a system, some are in over their heads... some think they will earn their playing time elsewhere... And yes, some even transfer for academic reasons.
To continue to rip UWEC by making general, unsubstantiated claims without providing facts sounds to me as if you have an axe to grind???
4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.
Before you make a blanket general statement, why don't you provide us with the number of players who have left the other WIAC programs over recent years, too??? Let's see if EC is actually guilty of this??? Or are you just throwing numbers out there, like was in the case of the number of recruits brought in to EC was exaggerated here; I corrected that.
Your comment doesn't hold any weight if you don't provide names. You did earlier in a Jan. 15 post (or thereabouts), saying three recruits had left the program, but were not able to establish that that was indeed the case. One player was not listed on the roster of the school you thought she transfered to.
The other two? I then pointed out one was still enrolled at UWEC and the other, if I recall correctly, was still there, too, but had stopped playing due to injury. Why don't you check these players out and give us updates as to where they are now??? Perhaps now that the second semester is in full swing, you can provide this accurate info to back up your claim...
Players come and go for various reasons - some can't cut it, some realize they are not good fits in a system, some are in over their heads... some think they will earn their playing time elsewhere... And yes, some even transfer for academic reasons.
To continue to rip UWEC by making general, unsubstantiated claims without providing facts sounds to me as if you have an axe to grind???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 03:48:10 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 12, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
hoops junkie =
4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.
Before you make a blanket general statement, why don't you provide us with the number of players who have left the other WIAC programs over recent years, too??? Let's see if EC is actually guilty of this??? Or are you just throwing numbers out there, like was in the case of the number of recruits brought in to EC was exaggerated here; I corrected that.
Your comment doesn't hold any weight if you don't provide names. You did earlier in a Jan. 15 post (or thereabouts), saying three recruits had left the program, but were not able to establish that that was indeed the case. One player was not listed on the roster of the school you thought she transfered to.
The other two? I then pointed out one was still enrolled at UWEC and the other, if I recall correctly, was still there, too, but had stopped playing due to injury. Why don't you check these players out and give us updates as to where they are now??? Perhaps now that the second semester is in full swing, you can provide this accurate info to back up your claim...
Players come and go for various reasons - some can't cut it, some realize they are not good fits in a system, some are in over their heads... some think they will earn their playing time elsewhere... And yes, some even transfer for academic reasons.
To continue to rip UWEC by making general, unsubstantiated claims without providing facts sounds to me as if you have an axe to grind???
Bulk,
I just feel like a couple of those kids would've ended up being big time players in the WIAC and I feel like they got a raw deal. I know other kids leave programs for various reasons but the reason that EC has gotten some negative publicity for this is because the kids that left their program are really good. I wouldn't expect the average EC fan to know that because you never got to see these players on the floor during an actual game.
If I recall, the players I mentioned were Kaylee Cardinal, Brittni Hoover, Ashley Hightower and Alexa Deacon. In my previous post I never even mentioned Sam Peterson who also left the team after her freshman season.
Here's what I know to be fact: Hoover left the program and transferred to St. Mary's. Her decision to leave was because she didn't play as a freshman. She's no longer listed on SMU's website but she did attend there 1st semester of this school year with the idea that she was going to play basketball.
Kaylee Cardinal is still enrolled at UWEC and I don't know what her intentions are for playing in the future. I had this confirmed by a relative of hers no less than 2 weeks ago.
Ashley Hightower to my knowledge is still enrolled at EC but obviously no longer on the team.
Alexa Deacon, also to my knowledge is still enrolled at EC and no longer on the team.
Regardless for the reasons why they chose to not play anymore, they were all high end d3 recruits coming out of HS and all with the EC program for a very brief time.
Here's the final stats for the 08-09 EC Women...
SCORING TOTAL 3-PTS F-THROWS REBOUNDS MINUTES
## Player GP GS Pts Avg FG FGA Pct 3FG FGA Pct FT FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Tot Avg
34 Arciszewski, Heidi 30 30 431 14.4 142 358 .397 11 51 .216 136 154 .883 37 153 190 6.3 66 0 94 88 0 44 1014 33.8
43 Mesick, Hannah 30 30 368 12.3 162 303 .535 0 0 .000 44 65 .677 62 96 158 5.3 78 1 26 69 11 21 856 28.5
22 Witt, Heather 30 30 363 12.1 131 294 .446 45 141 .319 56 74 .757 12 89 101 3.4 52 0 103 89 3 99 1010 33.7
03 Fremstad, Missy 30 30 193 6.4 60 146 .411 20 63 .317 53 70 .757 17 115 132 4.4 50 0 82 53 1 28 934 31.1
20 Lindner, Jodi 30 16 139 4.6 50 125 .400 1 4 .250 38 53 .717 59 99 158 5.3 73 3 38 41 3 18 671 22.4
51 Plendl, Ellen 22 13 89 4.0 41 76 .539 0 0 .000 7 15 .467 24 51 75 3.4 38 0 9 26 24 0 269 12.2
21 Weinberg, Katie 26 0 86 3.3 29 82 .354 22 60 .367 6 10 .600 10 9 19 0.7 13 0 9 8 3 8 208 8.0
40 Kaye, Pam 25 1 79 3.2 27 75 .360 8 27 .296 17 27 .630 29 47 76 3.0 32 0 18 18 0 11 389 15.6
55 Anderson, Ashley 28 0 62 2.2 26 84 .310 0 2 .000 10 18 .556 28 40 68 2.4 39 0 13 34 7 4 290 10.4
23 Kaeding, Kari 23 0 46 2.0 15 56 .268 3 12 .250 13 22 .591 11 29 40 1.7 26 0 13 12 5 8 217 9.4
44 Halama, Callie 2 0 4 2.0 2 4 .500 0 0 .000 0 0 .000 1 1 2 1.0 1 0 1 2 0 1 8 4.0
31 Cardinal, Kaylee 7 0 9 1.3 3 5 .600 1 2 .500 2 6 .333 2 5 7 1.0 2 0 2 4 1 1 22 3.1
41 Gillberg, Ali 9 0 9 1.0 4 10 .400 0 0 .000 1 2 .500 0 5 5 0.6 7 0 2 2 0 1 28 3.1
35 Freagon, Jess 8 0 8 1.0 4 6 .667 0 1 .000 0 0 .000 1 3 4 0.5 0 0 2 5 0 1 28 3.5
33 Feyereisen, Tessa 5 0 4 0.8 1 2 .500 0 0 .000 2 2 1.000 2 0 2 0.4 1 0 0 1 0 1 14 2.8
14 Olson, Laura 8 0 6 0.8 2 8 .250 1 5 .200 1 3 .333 0 0 0 0.0 5 0 4 5 1 1 23 2.9
24 Hover, Brittni 5 0 2 0.4 1 3 .333 0 2 .000 0 0 .000 0 1 1 0.2 1 0 0 1 0 0 8 1.6
32 Peterson, Sam 5 0 2 0.4 1 1 1.000 0 0 .000 0 0 .000 1 1 2 0.4 0 0 1 0 0 1 10 2.0
12 Hightower, Ashley 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 .000 0 0 .000 0 0 .000 0 1 1 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1.0
Total.......... 30 1900 63.3 701 1638 .428 112 370 .303 386 521 .741 345 811 1156 38.5 484 4 417 471 59 248 6000
Opponents...... 30 1553 51.8 521 1525 .342 150 547 .274 361 539 .670 277 665 942 31.4 502 - 312 501 56 223 6000
I know this is hard to make out because of the limited space we have in the forum but the number to the immediate right of each kid's name is games played. You'll notice that all the freshman played sparingly. Now, some will argue that freshman don't get many minutes in the WIAC or that the mark of a good program is having juniors and seniors get all the minutes and that frosh/soph's play when they're ready. That's fine, I agree that freshman will always play less minutes. But the real shame here is, that this was a VERY good freshman class and out of the 30 games that EC played, the most any one of those kids played in was 8 games. Cardinal, Olson, Hightower, Feyereisen, Freagon as a starting 5 could probably beat Superior, Platteville and Oshkosh. Not to mention if you threw Hoover and Peterson into that mix what a nice group that is. You can't tell me that in a 30 game season that those kids shouldn't have gotten more chances. That's why they left the program and that's why EC is in the position they are this year. Retaining player s is absolutely crucial to the success of a program and EC is failing at that!
Now, as requested by Bulk I will dig up all of the WIAC teams rosters from a year ago and figure out who left where and we'll see who lost more quality players. To me, it's not about the number of kids that leave your program. In a non-scholarship situation, the bottom 2-3 kids leave most teams every year but at a program like EC and with kids like these, you need to retain these players because the success of your program depends on it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
Freshman that did not return, by school, 2008-09 season:
UW-Stout
Lindsey Brost-Flambeau Wasn't recruited very heavily out of HS. Not a key loss.
UW-Whitewater
Elise Vos-Burlington Decent player, had good length, 6ft tall. Not a key loss.
Megan Welsh-Catholic Memorial Low end d3 recruit. Not a key loss.
Jolyn Owen-Middleton Very good off the dribble. Could've been good. Key loss.
UW-River Falls
Everyone back
UW-Superior
Lost 5 players from last years incoming class. None of whom contributed much of anything.
UWL
No major losses from recruiting class.
UW-Oshkosh
Megan McGowan-Verona Started 9 games as a freshman. Decent athlete. Limited skills. Average loss.
UW-Platteville
Lori Nauman-Dubuque Hempstead very avg player. not a key loss.
Walker girls-Both sisters left the team. Melanie I believe is now at Edgewood on the team. She's a decent player. For UWP that's a key loss.
UW-Stevens Point
Myranda Hodgson-Bay Port Good player. Key loss.
Last but not least UWEC
Brit Hoover-Clayton good 3pt shooter. solid player. key loss.
Kaylee Cardinal- Hartland Arrowhead One of the best athletes out of all the freshman last year in the WIAC. Key loss
Ashley Hightower- Lax Logan Solid athlete. Strong presence. Key loss.
Sam Peterson- Onalaska Luther Good athlete, physically strong kid. Key loss.
Well this should be enough to keep everyone entertained for a while...
UW-Stout
Lindsey Brost-Flambeau Wasn't recruited very heavily out of HS. Not a key loss.
UW-Whitewater
Elise Vos-Burlington Decent player, had good length, 6ft tall. Not a key loss.
Megan Welsh-Catholic Memorial Low end d3 recruit. Not a key loss.
Jolyn Owen-Middleton Very good off the dribble. Could've been good. Key loss.
UW-River Falls
Everyone back
UW-Superior
Lost 5 players from last years incoming class. None of whom contributed much of anything.
UWL
No major losses from recruiting class.
UW-Oshkosh
Megan McGowan-Verona Started 9 games as a freshman. Decent athlete. Limited skills. Average loss.
UW-Platteville
Lori Nauman-Dubuque Hempstead very avg player. not a key loss.
Walker girls-Both sisters left the team. Melanie I believe is now at Edgewood on the team. She's a decent player. For UWP that's a key loss.
UW-Stevens Point
Myranda Hodgson-Bay Port Good player. Key loss.
Last but not least UWEC
Brit Hoover-Clayton good 3pt shooter. solid player. key loss.
Kaylee Cardinal- Hartland Arrowhead One of the best athletes out of all the freshman last year in the WIAC. Key loss
Ashley Hightower- Lax Logan Solid athlete. Strong presence. Key loss.
Sam Peterson- Onalaska Luther Good athlete, physically strong kid. Key loss.
Well this should be enough to keep everyone entertained for a while...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 12, 2010, 06:10:43 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 12, 2010, 06:10:43 PM
Last year, UWEC had five seniors on the team. They got, and earned, more playing time than the freshmen. (To think that any frosh, at any WIAC school, is going to step in and get considerable playing time is an exception, rather than the rule. There are very few who have done it over the years...) So that, in theory, left at least five spots open on the roster this year. A big opportunity for those on the roster last year to step up and in this year, right?
Three returning sophomores, who aren't playing this year, probably would have made the roster this year, don't you think??? (Or maybe they didn't, in which case they didn't leave the program???)
But, if the names match the persons in the school directory: Peterson, Cardinal and Deacon are all still enrolled in school, at UWEC. That's very telling, seeings they were all freshmen last year, didn't see much playing time, but chose to continue their schooling at EC, despite the raw deal you claimed they got...
With apologies to the aforementioned, but if they got such a raw deal at EC, and were as good as you say, generating scholarship inklings, one would think they would have gone elsewhere to continue playing hoops?? One would think they would've transfered at the end of last year so they could step right in on a roster elsewhere, as a sophomore, rather than sit out a year at EC and then try to make a roster as junior, right? But we don't know any of this...
And we don't know why they aren't actually playing, do we?? (Hightower, was injured...) To speculate and say the coach is doing something wrong and the players got a raw deal is unfair, and unsubstantiated. Maybe they don't want to play??? Or maybe they are actually concentrating on academics??? Which is why they are still at school, at UWEC???
And we have not been able to track down Hoover. So we don't know if she is playing anywhere, or wants to, do we???
As far as the negative publicity - you are the one who brought it up here, linking to a Wisconsin Sports Network site post that asked a question, posed by a Mick Jagger, who asked about the aforemention players. It's interesting that he had to post the question twice, because it went unanswered on that forum. The second post, made on Nov. 24, remains unanswered as well.
Perhaps it is Mr. "Jagger" who wants to stir up the pot for some reason, or has an axe to grind, seeings he's the only one who, beside you, has given UWEC negative publicity, based on your opinions and suppositions... Let's steer Mr. Jagger over to this site and see what he has to say...
To reiterate: We don't know why these players, who are still at EC, are not playing. Might be the coach. Might not be.. Or it could be your evaluations are off? Or not? We don't really know...
Yes, I asked for a list. But we don't know if they are playing this year, either... And for you to evaluate last year's freshmen and dragging them through the mud, saying they are not big losses (when freshmen simply don't get much PT), is unfair to them. You've automatically suggested they are not capable of growing and improving as players, and bettering their skills. And thereby, in the future, contributing to their respective teams... That's silly, if you ask me...
Three returning sophomores, who aren't playing this year, probably would have made the roster this year, don't you think??? (Or maybe they didn't, in which case they didn't leave the program???)
But, if the names match the persons in the school directory: Peterson, Cardinal and Deacon are all still enrolled in school, at UWEC. That's very telling, seeings they were all freshmen last year, didn't see much playing time, but chose to continue their schooling at EC, despite the raw deal you claimed they got...
With apologies to the aforementioned, but if they got such a raw deal at EC, and were as good as you say, generating scholarship inklings, one would think they would have gone elsewhere to continue playing hoops?? One would think they would've transfered at the end of last year so they could step right in on a roster elsewhere, as a sophomore, rather than sit out a year at EC and then try to make a roster as junior, right? But we don't know any of this...
And we don't know why they aren't actually playing, do we?? (Hightower, was injured...) To speculate and say the coach is doing something wrong and the players got a raw deal is unfair, and unsubstantiated. Maybe they don't want to play??? Or maybe they are actually concentrating on academics??? Which is why they are still at school, at UWEC???
And we have not been able to track down Hoover. So we don't know if she is playing anywhere, or wants to, do we???
As far as the negative publicity - you are the one who brought it up here, linking to a Wisconsin Sports Network site post that asked a question, posed by a Mick Jagger, who asked about the aforemention players. It's interesting that he had to post the question twice, because it went unanswered on that forum. The second post, made on Nov. 24, remains unanswered as well.
Perhaps it is Mr. "Jagger" who wants to stir up the pot for some reason, or has an axe to grind, seeings he's the only one who, beside you, has given UWEC negative publicity, based on your opinions and suppositions... Let's steer Mr. Jagger over to this site and see what he has to say...
To reiterate: We don't know why these players, who are still at EC, are not playing. Might be the coach. Might not be.. Or it could be your evaluations are off? Or not? We don't really know...
Yes, I asked for a list. But we don't know if they are playing this year, either... And for you to evaluate last year's freshmen and dragging them through the mud, saying they are not big losses (when freshmen simply don't get much PT), is unfair to them. You've automatically suggested they are not capable of growing and improving as players, and bettering their skills. And thereby, in the future, contributing to their respective teams... That's silly, if you ask me...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 13, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 13, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 12, 2010, 06:10:43 PM
Last year, UWEC had five seniors on the team. They got, and earned, more playing time than the freshmen. (To think that any frosh, at any WIAC school, is going to step in and get considerable playing time is an exception, rather than the rule. There are very few who have done it over the years...) So that, in theory, left at least five spots open on the roster this year. A big opportunity for those on the roster last year to step up and in this year, right?
Three returning sophomores, who aren't playing this year, probably would have made the roster this year, don't you think??? (Or maybe they didn't, in which case they didn't leave the program???)
But, if the names match the persons in the school directory: Peterson, Cardinal and Deacon are all still enrolled in school, at UWEC. That's very telling, seeings they were all freshmen last year, didn't see much playing time, but chose to continue their schooling at EC, despite the raw deal you claimed they got...
With apologies to the aforementioned, but if they got such a raw deal at EC, and were as good as you say, generating scholarship inklings, one would think they would have gone elsewhere to continue playing hoops?? One would think they would've transfered at the end of last year so they could step right in on a roster elsewhere, as a sophomore, rather than sit out a year at EC and then try to make a roster as junior, right? But we don't know any of this...
And we don't know why they aren't actually playing, do we?? (Hightower, was injured...) To speculate and say the coach is doing something wrong and the players got a raw deal is unfair, and unsubstantiated. Maybe they don't want to play??? Or maybe they are actually concentrating on academics??? Which is why they are still at school, at UWEC???
And we have not been able to track down Hoover. So we don't know if she is playing anywhere, or wants to, do we???
As far as the negative publicity - you are the one who brought it up here, linking to a Wisconsin Sports Network site post that asked a question, posed by a Mick Jagger, who asked about the aforemention players. It's interesting that he had to post the question twice, because it went unanswered on that forum. The second post, made on Nov. 24, remains unanswered as well.
Perhaps it is Mr. "Jagger" who wants to stir up the pot for some reason, or has an axe to grind, seeings he's the only one who, beside you, has given UWEC negative publicity, based on your opinions and suppositions... Let's steer Mr. Jagger over to this site and see what he has to say...
To reiterate: We don't know why these players, who are still at EC, are not playing. Might be the coach. Might not be.. Or it could be your evaluations are off? Or not? We don't really know...
Yes, I asked for a list. But we don't know if they are playing this year, either... And for you to evaluate last year's freshmen and dragging them through the mud, saying they are not big losses (when freshmen simply don't get much PT), is unfair to them. You've automatically suggested they are not capable of growing and improving as players, and bettering their skills. And thereby, in the future, contributing to their respective teams... That's silly, if you ask me...
Actually, I solved the Hover case tonight. She is enrolled at UW-Stout and will be playing there next year. A good move for both her and Stout I might add. And she was at St. Mary's first semester so I'm pretty sure my assessment of what happened to that class is pretty accurate.
Now that we got that out of the way. Most of the freshman in the WIAC who didn't return to their teams last year are the types of players that no matter how much time they put in on their games are not going to make it. So you're "Rudy" theory of kids working on their game and eventually cracking the lineup doesn't really fit across the board.
As for the players who are still enrolled at EC but not on the team. Quite often in college athletics one failure is enough for some players and they simply walk away from the game forever. I have no way of knowing their true motives for leaving or for no longer playing. In Deacon's case, I would say we should wait and see if she goes anywhere next year because she would still have 4 years of eligibility and maybe didn't want to transfer mid-season.
What I meant when I used the term "raw deal" is that those kids should've gotten some more minutes given their ability level. With kids of this generation, everyone wants success right now and as a coach I think you have to realize that and throw a kid some minutes in garbage time or play a bigger JV schedule. It's real simple, if you let players of that caliber sit there and rot on the bench then they're going to look elsewhere. So if you were the coach, why would you even recruit them if you knew they wouldn't play as freshman? Regardless that there were seniors in front of them who were better. That's just not going to fly with kids in this generation. All that aside, kudos goes out to Laura Olson for sticking around. That move appears to be paying off for her and EC.
And I don't believe the wissports forum gets the same amount of traffic or interest about WIAC women's basketball as the d3boards do. I happened to find that link when I googled the names of the players who left the program.
And I think it's fair to refer to a a freshman who doesn't make any real contribution at all or has no real potential as a prospect as "not a key loss". Those EC recruits had a big upside and were key losses for the future of that program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 13, 2010, 01:18:01 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 13, 2010, 01:18:01 AM
Also heard that Heather Byl a 2009 graduate of Amery will be transferring and playing at Stout next year. Byl played the 07-08 school year at Osceola and the 08-09 season at Amery. I believe she was recruited by a number of d3s and originally chose Hamline but she has since decided to transfer to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 13, 2010, 01:41:26 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 13, 2010, 01:41:26 AM
My Rudy theory perhaps doesn't apply, but we will not know what contributions players who are not on the team would have made, either... All the players mentioned were sophomores. (Hightower has been there three years now, though).. They probably would have transferred before the season started this year if they intended on playing elsewhere???
I think the Blugold program will be just fine and will rebound from this little blip in the W/L record this year...
The last two UWEC blips came back to back in 2004-05 (16-11) and 2005-06 (13-13), seasons which were preceded by records of 19-7, 32-2 and 21-6, and followed by seasons of 19-9, 23-7 and 24-6 last year... Pretty hard for freshmen to gain a lot of time on a team that finished 23 in the country last year, if my memory serves me correctly...
As far as kids today???? If they are recruited to play hoops, they should have some sort of idea of what the situation will be like when the are freshmen, and subsequent years, at the school they will be attending... Perhaps it isn't what they expected... Or they lose their desire... Or they want to concentrate on academics...
But the head coach decides who earns, and gets, the minutes. If you think you deserve them simply because you are of the "me generation," who think things are to be handed to them in life, and that they are entitled to things, sorry. Doesn't work that way; welcome to the real world, which is what I believe the coach at EC is preparing them for...
I think the Blugold program will be just fine and will rebound from this little blip in the W/L record this year...
The last two UWEC blips came back to back in 2004-05 (16-11) and 2005-06 (13-13), seasons which were preceded by records of 19-7, 32-2 and 21-6, and followed by seasons of 19-9, 23-7 and 24-6 last year... Pretty hard for freshmen to gain a lot of time on a team that finished 23 in the country last year, if my memory serves me correctly...
As far as kids today???? If they are recruited to play hoops, they should have some sort of idea of what the situation will be like when the are freshmen, and subsequent years, at the school they will be attending... Perhaps it isn't what they expected... Or they lose their desire... Or they want to concentrate on academics...
But the head coach decides who earns, and gets, the minutes. If you think you deserve them simply because you are of the "me generation," who think things are to be handed to them in life, and that they are entitled to things, sorry. Doesn't work that way; welcome to the real world, which is what I believe the coach at EC is preparing them for...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on February 13, 2010, 07:05:05 AM
Post by: OshDude on February 13, 2010, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on February 12, 2010, 01:02:45 PMTeri also said in the local paper that in past years she delegated most of the recruiting to an assistant. She said she now takes the lead in that department. Again, according to the article, which, because it was in a Gannett paper, costs $1 billion (approximation ... it may be more) to view it in the archive.
Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.
If anyone has read the Oshkosh paper at all this year, you'll notice a new Teri – one who's POSITIVE. And no, I didn't accidentally hit caps lock.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 13, 2010, 01:59:30 PM
Post by: billys on February 13, 2010, 01:59:30 PM
I'm just wondering who is next?
Heeren- Check
Schumacher- Check
Englund- Check
Platteville?
I know you said you don't care if they know your affiliation. I just think it's weak for a "coach," which I believe you would call yourself, to come on here and anonymously bash people in your profession without knowing every situation. Every school, coach, individual has their own scenario.
And to base your evaluations of how they were as a high school player to how they would be as a WIAC player is completely irresponsible. Ashley Hightower played her entire high school career at one speed and was NEVER under control; GREAT athlete. It was a strong possibility she'd have a difficult time adjusting to the WIAC. There are countless recruits that have high expectations that aren't a good fit at the next level and the opposite; kids who you wouldn't have thought to become great players that did it through hard work and improvement. La Crosse had a kid a few years ago, Abby Johnson, who was not a great high school player that went on to be all-conference. There are plenty of those.
And again as bulk said, those kids had the opportunity to prove every day in practice. Maybe they didn't work hard, maybe they had bad attitudes, maybe they were lazy, maybe they got there and weren't good enough, maybe they didn't do anything in the off-season, or maybe Tonja did mess with them and it was her fault. Ultimately though there are a million possibilities in each case.
Even if the Hover kid goes to Stout and does well; that still doesn't necessarily mean Tonja made a huge mistake. What if she was bad for their system? What if the kid wasn't good for team chemistry? Selfish? The list goes on and on. Even if she tells you point blank, "I left cause of the coach, she screwed me over." There's still two sides to that story.
People can sit in an AAU gym in the summer and make all the assumptions they want about how a kid will be at the next level ... but until they walk in that gym in the fall no one has ANY IDEA ... and the person with the most information on that fact would be the head coach/staff at that school. None of these coaches won't play the best kids who give them a chance to win.
Heeren- Check
Schumacher- Check
Englund- Check
Platteville?
I know you said you don't care if they know your affiliation. I just think it's weak for a "coach," which I believe you would call yourself, to come on here and anonymously bash people in your profession without knowing every situation. Every school, coach, individual has their own scenario.
And to base your evaluations of how they were as a high school player to how they would be as a WIAC player is completely irresponsible. Ashley Hightower played her entire high school career at one speed and was NEVER under control; GREAT athlete. It was a strong possibility she'd have a difficult time adjusting to the WIAC. There are countless recruits that have high expectations that aren't a good fit at the next level and the opposite; kids who you wouldn't have thought to become great players that did it through hard work and improvement. La Crosse had a kid a few years ago, Abby Johnson, who was not a great high school player that went on to be all-conference. There are plenty of those.
And again as bulk said, those kids had the opportunity to prove every day in practice. Maybe they didn't work hard, maybe they had bad attitudes, maybe they were lazy, maybe they got there and weren't good enough, maybe they didn't do anything in the off-season, or maybe Tonja did mess with them and it was her fault. Ultimately though there are a million possibilities in each case.
Even if the Hover kid goes to Stout and does well; that still doesn't necessarily mean Tonja made a huge mistake. What if she was bad for their system? What if the kid wasn't good for team chemistry? Selfish? The list goes on and on. Even if she tells you point blank, "I left cause of the coach, she screwed me over." There's still two sides to that story.
People can sit in an AAU gym in the summer and make all the assumptions they want about how a kid will be at the next level ... but until they walk in that gym in the fall no one has ANY IDEA ... and the person with the most information on that fact would be the head coach/staff at that school. None of these coaches won't play the best kids who give them a chance to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 13, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 13, 2010, 11:02:59 PM
We can examine Platteville if you'd like. The southwest part of the state doesn't have a whole lot of talent at the HS level but I would definitely question how hard they hit the recruiting scene. I know there are some good d2/d3/d4 schools in that portion of the state so maybe that's a factor in why Pville isn't better than they are. I will say that it's definitely harder to recruit female athletes to Pville over the likes of EC, Lax and Oshkosh. They are a team that typically plays pretty hard, doesn't have a lot of depth and is limited in the post. The reason I bring up Oshkosh, EC and Lax is because I just feel they should be better then they are. Everyone wants to get all bent out of shape because I called some people on the carpet about how they run their programs but it's obvious that these programs I've mentioned can be and should be doing a lot better than they are. Some of these jobs are $40,000-60,000 a year and you got some ppl who are out there not getting after it like they should. That's a disgrace! And as for Schumacher, throwing your assistant under the bus in the newspaper and basically blaming them for the reason you struggled to get recruits in, WHAT IS THAT!? I'm glad someone said she cleaned up her act in the public eye, because a year ago she was a PR nightmare. I'll try to back off and not be so critical, but lets go, wake up and start making some of the premiere d3 coaching jobs into premiere programs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
The WARHAWKS scored first but Eau Claire answered and held the lead for the next eight minutes before WHITEWATER regained it. That didn't last long however as the BluGolds went ahead by as many as nine points. However a lay up by Chantel Burg and a pair of free throws by Kelsey Hendrickson and Kelly Beese got the WARHAWKS to within three points 34-31 at the break. The second half saw four ties and nine lead changes in the first fifteen minutes before Nicole Bundy hit a thee pointer and the WARHAWKS took a lead they wouldn't surrender. It was the only three pointer the WARHAWKS made in thirteen attempts. After that Hendrickson put the WARHAWKS on her back scoring eight of the final eleven points in the 62-54 victory.
Hendrickson finished with 20 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists and 3 steals. Bundy finished with 11 points. Burg and Cortney Kumerow each had 9 points and Heidi Sonntag added 8. The WARHAWKS outrebounded EauClaire 39 to 30 which included 19 on the offensive boards. They had only 10 turnovers to 20 for the BluGolds and took 14 more shots. However a cool 31% from the floor, compared to EauClaire's 50%, kept them from taking the advantage. So the game was won on the free throw line with the WARHAWKS making 25 of 28 attempts and the BluGolds just 7 of 12.
Hendrickson finished with 20 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists and 3 steals. Bundy finished with 11 points. Burg and Cortney Kumerow each had 9 points and Heidi Sonntag added 8. The WARHAWKS outrebounded EauClaire 39 to 30 which included 19 on the offensive boards. They had only 10 turnovers to 20 for the BluGolds and took 14 more shots. However a cool 31% from the floor, compared to EauClaire's 50%, kept them from taking the advantage. So the game was won on the free throw line with the WARHAWKS making 25 of 28 attempts and the BluGolds just 7 of 12.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2010, 12:19:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2010, 12:19:32 PM
Hendrickson's 20 points Saturday afternoon gave her a career total of 1007 points making her the ninth player in program history to score 1000 or more points. Also her 3 steals gave her a total of 91 on the season establishing a new program record for steals in a season. Trisha Thrill had the old record at 90.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 15, 2010, 07:52:29 PM
Post by: JMM on February 15, 2010, 07:52:29 PM
Had to come out of retirement to comment on the EC comments. Several high schools programs in MN are not fond of EC becasue their kids are built up to come to EC and don't get much attention as freshman when they arrive. This is from a MN girls high school varsitry coach who is well known in the twin cities.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on February 15, 2010, 11:51:43 PM
Post by: Bears rule on February 15, 2010, 11:51:43 PM
OK, lets talk about something fun. The Coaches are getting too much talk on here. Lets talk about the players.
Player of year- Hirssig
All Conference
WW-Hendricksen-Bundy
SP Peterson, Flease
RF Gregorich
Stout Hirssig- Stokke
LX-Churchhill
EC -Mesick
Plateville-Nemitz
I am sure many HM
All Defensive team- five players
Hirssig
LX Frank
Hendrickson
Gregorich
Flease
Coach of Year- Shirley SP-(RF-Holbrook if they win there last to games)
Freshmen team
LX Van Handel
Osh Kitske and Wenig
Sup Urmanski
WW Kumerow
RF Brit Gregorich
EC Bingea
SP Schultz
Plat- Poad
Player of year- Hirssig
All Conference
WW-Hendricksen-Bundy
SP Peterson, Flease
RF Gregorich
Stout Hirssig- Stokke
LX-Churchhill
EC -Mesick
Plateville-Nemitz
I am sure many HM
All Defensive team- five players
Hirssig
LX Frank
Hendrickson
Gregorich
Flease
Coach of Year- Shirley SP-(RF-Holbrook if they win there last to games)
Freshmen team
LX Van Handel
Osh Kitske and Wenig
Sup Urmanski
WW Kumerow
RF Brit Gregorich
EC Bingea
SP Schultz
Plat- Poad
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 16, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 16, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 15, 2010, 11:51:43 PMGood call, Bears rule. I was also guilty a few pages back of questioning Osh. program when I have very limited knowledge of what Schumacher is trying to do. My point is this: These coaches are all good-most likely better than some of us who have coached and certainly better than those who haven't coached at all or THEY would be on here spouting off like we do and WE would be coaching in the best d3 conference in the country. Too bad there isn't a message board for coaches to evaluate our posts, or better yet, to evaluate how we perform our jobs. (I must admit that Eddie and Mark do sometimes evaluate me but they have the courage to do it to my face). I realize that this is a message board and it is about having an opinion, but it just seems to me that some of us are taking ourselves a bit too seriously. And, yes, I have told Mark on occasion that I wished he would give Julia Hirssig more minutes. (I said he talks to me, I didn't say he listens.) :(
OK, lets talk about something fun. The Coaches are getting too much talk on here. Lets talk about the players.
Player of year- Hirssig
All Conference
WW-Hendricksen-Bundy
SP Peterson, Flease
RF Gregorich
Stout Hirssig- Stokke
LX-Churchhill
EC -Mesick
Plateville-Nemitz
I am sure many HM
All Defensive team- five players
Hirssig
LX Frank
Hendrickson
Gregorich
Flease
Coach of Year- Shirley SP-(RF-Holbrook if they win there last to games)
Freshmen team
LX Van Handel
Osh Kitske and Wenig
Sup Urmanski
WW Kumerow
RF Brit Gregorich
EC Bingea
SP Schultz
Plat- Poad
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on February 16, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
Post by: Bears rule on February 16, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
Stout guy said: "And, yes, I have told Mark on occasion that I wished he would give Julia Hirssig more minutes. (I said he talks to me, I didn't say he listens.)"
That sounds like a good Coach. Every Coach can talk, just please do not listen to us fans.
That sounds like a good Coach. Every Coach can talk, just please do not listen to us fans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
Don't sell yourself short Stoutguy.
Since we discussed Hirssig's playing time back in January it's increased by almost five minutes a game. Champ posted she was averaging 24.8 minutes a game up to January 26th. I commented that she played 32 minutes against us on January 30th. In the five games Stout has played since our discussion Hirssig has averaged 29.6 minutes per game.
He has to be listening to you, Stoutguy. What other possible explanation could there be? :D
Since we discussed Hirssig's playing time back in January it's increased by almost five minutes a game. Champ posted she was averaging 24.8 minutes a game up to January 26th. I commented that she played 32 minutes against us on January 30th. In the five games Stout has played since our discussion Hirssig has averaged 29.6 minutes per game.
He has to be listening to you, Stoutguy. What other possible explanation could there be? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 16, 2010, 02:01:23 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 16, 2010, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
Don't sell yourself short Stoutguy.
Since we discussed Hirssig's playing time back in January it's increased by almost five minutes a game. Champ posted she was averaging 24.8 minutes a game up to January 26th. I commented that she played 32 minutes against us on January 30th. In the five games Stout has played since our discussion Hirssig has averaged 29.6 minutes per game.
He has to be listening to you, Stoutguy. What other possible explanation could there be? :D
By golly, I think we are on to something. :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 16, 2010, 03:40:43 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 16, 2010, 03:40:43 PM
I've been glancing over the posts and haven't been reading them in detail, but some thoughts on what I've read:
-You don't know what happens in a team and why kids are/aren't playing and if they are living up to their potential. If you do, you wouldn't/shouldn't be on here, you'd be spending your time working with your team.
-No one on the outside knows what goes on in a team, it's just not possible. They do what they do for a reason. As close as you are to the team, you still are not part of the team unless you're a coach/player.
-I'd say UWL has played very well this year (you all had them near the bottom before the season if I recall correctly) and is poised to make a run in the playoffs. I don't take that as a symbol of a mediocre program. No matter what they do in the playoffs they'll return nearly everyone next year, this time with a chance for the team to actually play together during the offseason. I think they're doing very well this year for having no seniors and are looking at a positive turn into next year.
-You don't know what happens in a team and why kids are/aren't playing and if they are living up to their potential. If you do, you wouldn't/shouldn't be on here, you'd be spending your time working with your team.
-No one on the outside knows what goes on in a team, it's just not possible. They do what they do for a reason. As close as you are to the team, you still are not part of the team unless you're a coach/player.
-I'd say UWL has played very well this year (you all had them near the bottom before the season if I recall correctly) and is poised to make a run in the playoffs. I don't take that as a symbol of a mediocre program. No matter what they do in the playoffs they'll return nearly everyone next year, this time with a chance for the team to actually play together during the offseason. I think they're doing very well this year for having no seniors and are looking at a positive turn into next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 17, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 17, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Its gut-check time for the Falcons...
They must win at La Crosse tonight or they can kiss the NCAA tournament good-bye.
I talked to Jenna Hanson, it sounds like she WILL play. She said she was extremely frustrated with having to watch the SP game from the sideline. I expect a big night from her, if the foot holds up.
And we need to see more out of Tiffany Gregorich, after 30 against Eau Claire she has put up just four points in the last two. (4 vs. WW; 0 vs. SP) Although against SP she was under the weather with strep throat.
I havent heard anything of the severity of Tess Lardie's injury, but she was on crutches during the mens game at SP.
They must win at La Crosse tonight or they can kiss the NCAA tournament good-bye.
I talked to Jenna Hanson, it sounds like she WILL play. She said she was extremely frustrated with having to watch the SP game from the sideline. I expect a big night from her, if the foot holds up.
And we need to see more out of Tiffany Gregorich, after 30 against Eau Claire she has put up just four points in the last two. (4 vs. WW; 0 vs. SP) Although against SP she was under the weather with strep throat.
I havent heard anything of the severity of Tess Lardie's injury, but she was on crutches during the mens game at SP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 17, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
Post by: buf on February 17, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
This weeks regional rankings:
Central Region Record Overall Record
1. Illinois Wesleyan 19-1 22-1
2. Carthage 17-2 20-3
3. Washington U. 17-2 20-2
4. Chicago 17-5 17-5
5. UW-Whitewater 16-5 17-6
6. UW-Stevens Point 16-5 18-5
Central Region Record Overall Record
1. Illinois Wesleyan 19-1 22-1
2. Carthage 17-2 20-3
3. Washington U. 17-2 20-2
4. Chicago 17-5 17-5
5. UW-Whitewater 16-5 17-6
6. UW-Stevens Point 16-5 18-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 17, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 17, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
UWL rolls tonight over the falcons. They led by as much as 18 and it never got closer than 9 in the 2nd half.
Lax has now won 5 of their last 6 since the double OT win vs. Stout setting up a good matchup vs. Stevens Point Saturday.
Lax has now won 5 of their last 6 since the double OT win vs. Stout setting up a good matchup vs. Stevens Point Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 17, 2010, 10:20:44 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 17, 2010, 10:20:44 PM
Superior takes a beating from Eau Claire, but I'm surprisingly optimistic. EC was all over us in height, and even with that, I saw some spunk, some talent, some ability. I have great hope for the Superior women. If we had the good fortune to bring in someone in the 6'2" range, we could compete against an Amazon team like Eau Claire. Either that or we have to get everyone to handle the ball well and get really speedy. And sneaky.
I have a granddaughter who's big for her age. Too bad she's not quite two yet.
I have a granddaughter who's big for her age. Too bad she's not quite two yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2010, 06:30:35 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2010, 06:30:35 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on February 17, 2010, 10:20:44 PMI have a granddaughter who's big for her age. Too bad she's not quite two yet.
So, you've got several months to coach her up.... ;D
C'mon, Grandma, get on it.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2010, 07:05:37 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 18, 2010, 07:05:37 AM
With one game to play, the standings of the playoff teams in the WIAC:
Tied for 1st (listed alpabetically)
Stevens Point 11-4
Whitewater 11-4
Tied for 3rd (alphabetically)
La Crosse 9-6
River Falls 9-6
Stout 9-6
6th place
Eau Claire 8-7
So, Saturday, final seedings for the WIAC tournament will be resolved. Here are the matchups:
The first place teams:
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-La Crosse - The Pointers, on the road, have a tough matchup in a game they most likely need to maintain the first place tie with UWW. The Eagles have the toughest matchup of the current 3rd place teams to maintain the tie for 3rd or win the #3 seed outright.
UW-Superior @ UW-Whitewater - The Warhawks at home have, what on paper is the easiest matchup of the weekend for them to either win the WIAC title outright or at least earn a tie.
UW-River Falls @ UW-Platteville Platteville - The Falcons have, on paper, the easiest matchup to earn the number 3 seed outright, or at least maintain the tie.
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Stout Menomonie - Like the Pointer/Eagle matchup, this game decides seeding for both teams.
With a win, the Blue Devils guarantee at least a tie for the #3 seed or possibly the #3 seed outright.
With a win, the Blue Golds create a tie for:
1. The #3 seed (4 way tie)
2. The # 4 seed (3 way tie)
5. The #5 seed (2 way tie)
I can't remember (and I did no research of this history) a WIAC final weekend where every single seed was up for grabs and had the potential for tiebreakers being needed to determine every single seed position.
Every team needs to win their game, and needs help from another WIAC team to get their best possible seeding!
Tied for 1st (listed alpabetically)
Stevens Point 11-4
Whitewater 11-4
Tied for 3rd (alphabetically)
La Crosse 9-6
River Falls 9-6
Stout 9-6
6th place
Eau Claire 8-7
So, Saturday, final seedings for the WIAC tournament will be resolved. Here are the matchups:
The first place teams:
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-La Crosse - The Pointers, on the road, have a tough matchup in a game they most likely need to maintain the first place tie with UWW. The Eagles have the toughest matchup of the current 3rd place teams to maintain the tie for 3rd or win the #3 seed outright.
UW-Superior @ UW-Whitewater - The Warhawks at home have, what on paper is the easiest matchup of the weekend for them to either win the WIAC title outright or at least earn a tie.
UW-River Falls @ UW-Platteville Platteville - The Falcons have, on paper, the easiest matchup to earn the number 3 seed outright, or at least maintain the tie.
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Stout Menomonie - Like the Pointer/Eagle matchup, this game decides seeding for both teams.
With a win, the Blue Devils guarantee at least a tie for the #3 seed or possibly the #3 seed outright.
With a win, the Blue Golds create a tie for:
1. The #3 seed (4 way tie)
2. The # 4 seed (3 way tie)
5. The #5 seed (2 way tie)
I can't remember (and I did no research of this history) a WIAC final weekend where every single seed was up for grabs and had the potential for tiebreakers being needed to determine every single seed position.
Every team needs to win their game, and needs help from another WIAC team to get their best possible seeding!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2010, 11:21:16 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2010, 11:21:16 AM
Oshkosh scored first. The WARHAWKS tied the game on a inside jumper by Cortney Kumerow and went ahead on a three-point basket by Nicole Bundy, a lead they would never surrender. The lead reached a high of fifteen points after Kelsey Hendrickson sank a three-pointer as the first half ended 40-25. The WARHAWKS maintained a double digit lead between ten and seventeen points for the first six and half minutes of the second half when the Titans were able to cut it seven and the lead remained in single digits reaching a low of five points for the next four to five minutes. A jumper by Bundy put the WARHAWK lead back into double figures with eight minutes to play and it grew to as many as sixteen points twice before the game ended with a thirteen point spread 75-62.
Bundy led WARHAWK scorers with 23 points and rebounders with 9. She also had 3 assists. Hendrickson had 18 points, 3 assists and 3 steals bringing her season total to 94 tying her for sixth place all-time WIAC single season. Kumerow also finished in double figures with 12 points before fouling out.
Oshkosh was led by Katie Kitzke's 11 points. A significant Titan advantage from the free throw line 20-25 vs. 9-14 kept the game closer than it was being played.
Bundy led WARHAWK scorers with 23 points and rebounders with 9. She also had 3 assists. Hendrickson had 18 points, 3 assists and 3 steals bringing her season total to 94 tying her for sixth place all-time WIAC single season. Kumerow also finished in double figures with 12 points before fouling out.
Oshkosh was led by Katie Kitzke's 11 points. A significant Titan advantage from the free throw line 20-25 vs. 9-14 kept the game closer than it was being played.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 18, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
I believe if both SP and WW win their games on Saturday SP will be the #1 seed based on the tie breakers. SP has a tough one on Saturday in LX, and I expect WW to win big on Senior Day.
Quote from: The Champ on February 18, 2010, 07:05:37 AM
With one game to play, the standings of the playoff teams in the WIAC:
Tied for 1st (listed alpabetically)
Stevens Point 11-4
Whitewater 11-4
Tied for 3rd (alphabetically)
La Crosse 9-6
River Falls 9-6
Stout 9-6
6th place
Eau Claire 8-7
So, Saturday, final seedings for the WIAC tournament will be resolved. Here are the matchups:
The first place teams:
UW-Stevens Point @ UW-La Crosse - The Pointers, on the road, have a tough matchup in a game they most likely need to maintain the first place tie with UWW. The Eagles have the toughest matchup of the current 3rd place teams to maintain the tie for 3rd or win the #3 seed outright.
UW-Superior @ UW-Whitewater - The Warhawks at home have, what on paper is the easiest matchup of the weekend for them to either win the WIAC title outright or at least earn a tie.
UW-River Falls @ UW-Platteville Platteville - The Falcons have, on paper, the easiest matchup to earn the number 3 seed outright, or at least maintain the tie.
UW-Eau Claire @ UW-Stout Menomonie - Like the Pointer/Eagle matchup, this game decides seeding for both teams.
With a win, the Blue Devils guarantee at least a tie for the #3 seed or possibly the #3 seed outright.
With a win, the Blue Golds create a tie for:
1. The #3 seed (4 way tie)
2. The # 4 seed (3 way tie)
5. The #5 seed (2 way tie)
I can't remember (and I did no research of this history) a WIAC final weekend where every single seed was up for grabs and had the potential for tiebreakers being needed to determine every single seed position.
Every team needs to win their game, and needs help from another WIAC team to get their best possible seeding!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
Uggh! EC has 12 turnovers in the first 10min of the game, down 22-12. Stout is doing a good job of getting deflections, but some of these passes shouldn't be made.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
Another great Stout-EC game ends up with Stout withstanding a furious comeback bid by EC and winning, 65-62. Stout controlled most of this game, leading by 20pts with 10min left. However, EC cut the lead to as low as 1 and also had a couple of possessions to either tie or take the lead in the last couple minutes, but those ended in turnovers. EC had 30 turnovers in the game.
EC had 3 players with a double-double. Bingea played well for EC, while Van Vreede stepped up for Stout.
UWL rolls Point in the 2nd half for an easy victory.
UWW all over Superior
EC had 3 players with a double-double. Bingea played well for EC, while Van Vreede stepped up for Stout.
UWL rolls Point in the 2nd half for an easy victory.
UWW all over Superior
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
Matchups Tuesday =
#6 UWEC at No. 3 UWL, who convincingly destroyed Point today, blowing them out in the second half after going in at the break trailing by 3... Blugolds willl have a tough task at hand; they have beaten UWL twice, and hat tricks are hard to come by in this league...
#5 UWR at No. 4 UW-Stout.
#6 UWEC at No. 3 UWL, who convincingly destroyed Point today, blowing them out in the second half after going in at the break trailing by 3... Blugolds willl have a tough task at hand; they have beaten UWL twice, and hat tricks are hard to come by in this league...
#5 UWR at No. 4 UW-Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2010, 08:52:12 PM
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2010, 08:52:12 PM
EC played awful for all but the last 8 minutes. That is why they lost the game. That said, the referees at this game were unbelievably bad. There were times when Stout players had their arms totlly around EC players who were shooting and no fouls were called. Finally after Englund got in the refs face, they started calling these fouls. Had alot to do with the come back. Not saying refs were pro Stout but they were terrible. EC has talent but needs to overcome the "brain fog" that seems to keep settling in for long periods of time. Maybe they're just a young team. EC maybe lucked out in the loss - they seem to match up really well against LAX.
Stout suffered there own case of "brain fog" for part of the second half.
Stout suffered there own case of "brain fog" for part of the second half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 21, 2010, 01:49:58 AM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 21, 2010, 01:49:58 AM
JMM Not saying refs were pro Stout that not how most people saw it
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 09:10:50 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 20, 2010, 08:52:12 PM
EC played awful for all but the last 8 minutes. That is why they lost the game. That said, the referees at this game were unbelievably bad. There were times when Stout players had their arms totlly around EC players who were shooting and no fouls were called. Finally after Englund got in the refs face, they started calling these fouls. Had alot to do with the come back. Not saying refs were pro Stout but they were terrible.
In the first half, the refs called 10 penalties on Stout and only 7 on UWEC.
In the second half, the refs called 16 penalties on Stout and only 12 on UWEC.
In the last 57 seconds of the first half, with UWEC intentionally fouling to get possession of the ball back, they had 4 fouls. Stout while trying not to foul was called for 1.
So, doing the math, in 39 minutes of play, UWEC was called for 15 fouls. Compare this to Stout's 25 called fouls in the same time period.
During the critical 11.5 minute "comeback" period, the Blugolds scored 14 of their points from the free throw line.
Stout had 2 players foul out. Only Messick for UWEC fouled out, and she drew 2 intentional fouls in the last 35 seconds of the game.
And you are claiming that the refs were terrible and trying to imply that their failure to call fouls against Stout impacted the game?
I'm not going to blame the officials for Stout going cold (scoring only 10 points from the 13 minute mark to the 1:30 mark) during a critical 11.5 minute stretch - the Stout players weren't hitting their shots.
To their credit, UWEC scored 30 points during that stretch, but as noted above 14 of those points came from the FT line.
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In the first half, UWEC's shooting percentage was less than 35% on 23 attempts. Stout shot over 41% on 34 attempts. UWEC turned the ball over 17 times, which led to Stout's shooting advantage.
Stout hit nearly 86% of their 7 FT's, UWEC made less than 45% of the 9 FT's that they attempted.
Stout clearly outplayed UWEC in the first half.
In the second half, the shooting percentages evened out - 37% of 27 attemtpts for UWEC and 34.5% of 29 attempts for Stout. Turnovers were 13 for UWEC and 8 for Stout.
UWEC hit 80% of their 25 FT attempts in the second half, while Stout made 50% of their 16 FT's.
Stout's shooting percentage and lack of turnovers is what led Stout to victory yesterday.
The only thing that made this game close was the number of penalties called against Stout (both halves). And someone implies that the officiating was terrible in Stout's favor??? ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 09:24:09 AM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 09:24:09 AM
I guess the refs let Stout play a tighter defense than EC. It is the calls that were not made on ST. Plendil and Messick were literally held by Stout planyers for the whole first-half - the refs let 'em do it. Englund did half-way through the second period let the refs have it along with the fans. One ref who I have seen ref several games in the latter part of the year - makes only 1-2 calls a game - must be afraid to make calls or wants the easy money. He was the real culprit. I did get a helluva laugh from two of the refs when I held during a break with 2 minutes left -hey refs don't blow this one - it's your game. EC needs to lose the "brain fog" thing for next year. Every one but Linder is back (plus some injured players). No Brain Fog and national ranking will return. HEre how I see playoff.
EC over LA (LA just does not match up well with EC)
ST over RF
ST over SP
WW over EC (unless the Brian Fog clears) (Would love to ss EC-ST, EC would win, Also note EC has a tradition of stopping Hirssig.)
WW to the dance.
EC over LA (LA just does not match up well with EC)
ST over RF
ST over SP
WW over EC (unless the Brian Fog clears) (Would love to ss EC-ST, EC would win, Also note EC has a tradition of stopping Hirssig.)
WW to the dance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 21, 2010, 09:49:07 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 21, 2010, 09:49:07 AM
Lax dominated Point yesterday. That's about all there is to say about that. Point's coach is rightfully worried about her team's play heading into the playoffs and she made sure the whole gym knew it after the game.
UWL is playing better than any team in the conference right now. They are playing the type of ball a coach loves to see. (All 5 starters have been in double figures the last 2 games) Anything can happen in the playoffs though and this team is going to need to take it to even another level to keep winning. No matter what happens here on out it has been an incredibly successful season for UWL and they have a lot to build on going into next year.
Right now I think like everyone else that this is Whitewater's tournament to lose. Someone is going to need to play a great game to beat them at home.
UWL is playing better than any team in the conference right now. They are playing the type of ball a coach loves to see. (All 5 starters have been in double figures the last 2 games) Anything can happen in the playoffs though and this team is going to need to take it to even another level to keep winning. No matter what happens here on out it has been an incredibly successful season for UWL and they have a lot to build on going into next year.
Right now I think like everyone else that this is Whitewater's tournament to lose. Someone is going to need to play a great game to beat them at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisco87 on February 21, 2010, 10:20:24 AM
Post by: wisco87 on February 21, 2010, 10:20:24 AM
#35 Maranda Dohrn of UW-River Falls had a huge game yesterday vs. UW-Platteville. Scoring 23 points and grabbing 22 rebounds en route to a 56-47 win of the Pioneers. It was senior day for UWP, and after falling down by as much 19 points, they lead a spirited effort in the 2nd half to make the game close again, but UWRF made enough plays down the stretch get the W. With LAX, big win over SP, RF falls to the 5th seed for the tournament, so they will have to play on the road, where they have had there struggles during the 2nd half of the season. Furthermore, River Falls roster has been looking like a line at a doctor's office lately, with numerous injuries and I don't think they have had there original starting lineup since the 13-0 start. That being said, they do have the ability for a number of different players to step up on any given night, and if they come out on fire, they will be touch to beat. Should be an interesting game Tuesday as each team was beat eachother this season. RF with a close victory in OT, and Stout with a more convincing 13 point win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2010, 01:36:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2010, 01:36:27 PM
Superior had an early four point lead and maintained a lead for the first four minutes before the WARHAWKS went ahead for good 11-9 on a layup by Nicole Bundy. Superior managed to keep the deficit in single digits until a three-pointer by Kelsey Hendrickson with 11:08 to play in the half put the WARHAWKS in the lead 25-14. Bundy led the WARHAWKS in scoring for the half with 20 points. Heidi Sonntag added 14 points and Hendrickson 10 as the team shot 70.8% from the floor and forced 21 Superior turnovers, 13 of which were steals. The score at the half was 54-29. In the second half the WARHAWKS never led by less than 25 points. The final was 92-61.
Bundy finished with 22 points. Sonntag became the second WARHAWK to join the 1000 point club this season with 18 points and Hendrickson added 17. Led by Bundy and Chantel Burg's 4 apiece the WARHAWKS finished with 17 steals on Superior's 34 turnovers. The WARHAWKS shot 60% from the floor for the game.
Bundy finished with 22 points. Sonntag became the second WARHAWK to join the 1000 point club this season with 18 points and Hendrickson added 17. Led by Bundy and Chantel Burg's 4 apiece the WARHAWKS finished with 17 steals on Superior's 34 turnovers. The WARHAWKS shot 60% from the floor for the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 21, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 21, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
Champ. You obviously watched the same game I did. JMM, on the other hand, had to be watching something else. To suggest that EC got the worst of the horrible officiating (yes, JMM, it was bad officiating), is just way off the mark. Stout played very well early. I was amazed at how flat EC played early. They finally picked up their intensity late and made a great run. After a time out the Blugolds seemed to be getting more touches for Hannah and then Plendl also became a big factor. The run was on with plenty of help because of poor decision making by the Stout kids. Everyone knows what I think of Hirssig but she had a very poor performance. Anyone who heard Mark on our postgame knows how disappointed he was in his team's performance during the comeback.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 03:17:11 PM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 03:17:11 PM
Must of missed Englunds ranting during the first and second half at the refs. At least 7-8 times there were no calls mad that were blaintent fouls. Hrsisig falls all over with the ball - no walk. Plendil falls - Walking. If you get a chance ask TE.What benefited Stout most the first half was the EC brain fog. I think there were 17 turnovers for EC in thre first half. Not because of te sparkling St defense but becasue of the inability for EC to pass and dribble the ball. This did improve later in the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
Refs or no refs, you turn the ball over 30 times in a game and you are going to lose the majority of those games, but probably by more than three...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 05:01:29 PM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 05:01:29 PM
As I said in my original post, EC lost due to Brain Fog not the refs. A case of the pure simple fundamentals - don't throw the ball if the person is not open or if there is no one there. Caused at least 8-9 turnovers and mucho points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
You would make a more convincing argument if you didn't include comments regarding the officials' incompetence in your posts JMM. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 21, 2010, 03:17:11 PM
Must of missed Englunds ranting during the first and second half at the refs.
Oh, I didn't miss TE playing "mind games" with the refs. I would think that you would think that to be improper for a coach to play mind games... :P TE must be a terrible coach in your opinion, based on your previous comments on this board.
QuoteAt least 7-8 times there were no calls mad that were blaintent fouls.
I'll be the first to admit that IMO the refs missed some calls against Stout. But if you had taken the time to watch both ends of the court you might have seen some "blatant" missed calls against UWEC also.
Bottom line, I find it incredulous you are complaining about the lack of calls against Stout when 26 fouls were called against Stout vs. only 15 for UWEC (not counting the 4 intentional fouls called in the last 57 seconds).
QuoteHrsisig falls all over with the ball - no walk. Plendil falls - Walking.
The difference is, Plendl fell and slid, Hirssig fell and didn't slide.
QuoteIf you get a chance ask TE.
About the last HC that I would want to chat with is TE. I have had conversations with the HC's from UWL, UWSP, UWRF and UWW.
QuoteI think there were 17 turnovers for EC in thre first half. Not because of te sparkling St defense but becasue of the inability for EC to pass and dribble the ball.
You think UWEC had 17 TO's in the first half? Well, seeing as how I already told you in my first post that UWEC had 17 TO's in the first half, that really isn't news.... ::)
And with your great powers of observation, I'm not surprised that you don't think the Stout defense had anything to do with the 17 TO's
QuoteThis did improve later in the game.
Yeah... As I posted earlier, UWEC only had 13 TO's in the second half. That's a major improvement... ::)
QuoteAs I said in my original post, EC lost due to Brain Fog not the refs.
Yet you've whined about the refs in your THREE previous posts on this game... :'(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 21, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
Champ. You obviously watched the same game I did.
It's called being objective. The officiating was not good, but there were plenty of missed calls against both teams. There were also several calls that should not have been made.
I wish the game had been called better. It would have made for a more interesting game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
Refs or no refs, you turn the ball over 30 times in a game and you are going to lose the majority of those games, but probably by more than three...
We've had a few differences of opinion on this board before... ;)
But I agree - with 30 TO's and you shouldn't even be in the game.
It was the fouls called against Stout (and UWEC's FT shooting %) in the second half that was a major factor in making this game close.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
Actually, since the game ended in a three-point loss, I'd say the difference was three point shooting, seeings the Blue Devils made three on the night, and the 'Golds but two. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
I think most folks who posted today had much to say to verify refs incompetence. Again, EC would have won the game if there had been less self inflicted turnovers - those not as a result of Stouts' tenancious defense (which included holding the tall blue and gold players - do it if the refs let you). Having seen all but 6 EC games this year and understanding the duality of their play, my original post noted that they defeated themselves (as been the case many times this year) even though the refs were bad. Put another way fundamentals my Dear Dr. Watson. Fundamentals. When they come out mentally ready and alert and not in the fog of forgeting fundamentals, they have had a few good wins. Kind of like Stout. I do beleive these teams have good talent. Also believe they both have lost games they should have won.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 09:44:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
Actually, since the game ended in a three-point loss, I'd say the difference was three point shooting, seeings the Blue Devils made three on the night, and the 'Golds but two. ;)
But the Blugolds shot 25% on 3 pointers and the Blue Devils only hit 15.8%.
2 of 8 vs. 3 of 19.
Maybe UWEC should have attempted more 3's?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
OK boys and girls, here are some numbers to chew on and interpret as you see fit:
Total personal fouls committed by team, this season:
1) Stout = 565 fouls vs. 555 on opponents
2) Whitewater = 510 vs. 436 on opponents
3) Superior = 483 vs. 404 on opponents
4) River Falls = 442 vs. 425 on opponents
5) Stevens Point = 418 vs. 465 on opponents
6) La Crosse = 406 vs. 427 on opponents
7) Eau Claire = 403 vs. 420 on opponents
8) Oshkosh = 402 vs. 448 on opponents
9) Platteville = 394 vs. 520 on opponents
To suggest anything from this might be silly, seeings one could make a case the refs have it in for Stout and Whitewater, since they have committed the most fouls???
Or maybe they are biased for Platteville??? Seeings they were the least penalized, and had the biggest plus difference between the number the Pioneers committed vs. the number whistled against their opponents?
And yet, how do the W-L records shake out this year???
Bottom line is: Some teams are more physical, some are finesse, some run, some slow it down, some do a combo. Some are younger, some are older. All these factors lend themselves to more fouls or less fouls being called.
So I'd like to think the style of play dictates how the ref's call the game, not who is wearing what uniform. They call 'em as the see 'em, regardless of what we, with our team-colored glasses, from our butts in the stands, think.
And, heaven forbid, if a ref should make a mistake? A good team should be able to overcome it, and not use the refs as an excuse.
I will give the refs the benefit of doubt; afterall, those Ws and Ls in standings over the course of the season are ultimately determined by how, and reflect how, the each team played, not how the refs reffed...
Total personal fouls committed by team, this season:
1) Stout = 565 fouls vs. 555 on opponents
2) Whitewater = 510 vs. 436 on opponents
3) Superior = 483 vs. 404 on opponents
4) River Falls = 442 vs. 425 on opponents
5) Stevens Point = 418 vs. 465 on opponents
6) La Crosse = 406 vs. 427 on opponents
7) Eau Claire = 403 vs. 420 on opponents
8) Oshkosh = 402 vs. 448 on opponents
9) Platteville = 394 vs. 520 on opponents
To suggest anything from this might be silly, seeings one could make a case the refs have it in for Stout and Whitewater, since they have committed the most fouls???
Or maybe they are biased for Platteville??? Seeings they were the least penalized, and had the biggest plus difference between the number the Pioneers committed vs. the number whistled against their opponents?
And yet, how do the W-L records shake out this year???
Bottom line is: Some teams are more physical, some are finesse, some run, some slow it down, some do a combo. Some are younger, some are older. All these factors lend themselves to more fouls or less fouls being called.
So I'd like to think the style of play dictates how the ref's call the game, not who is wearing what uniform. They call 'em as the see 'em, regardless of what we, with our team-colored glasses, from our butts in the stands, think.
And, heaven forbid, if a ref should make a mistake? A good team should be able to overcome it, and not use the refs as an excuse.
I will give the refs the benefit of doubt; afterall, those Ws and Ls in standings over the course of the season are ultimately determined by how, and reflect how, the each team played, not how the refs reffed...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 09:55:23 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 21, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
I think most folks who posted today had much to say to verify refs incompetence.
those not as a result of Stouts' tenancious defense (which included holding the tall blue and gold players - do it if the refs let you).
Still whining about the officials not calling enough penalties against Stout... ::) :'( ::) :'(
Did you watch the whole game or did you just fixate on a few missed calls on one end of the court? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 10:05:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 21, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
OK boys and girls, here are some numbers to chew on and interpret as you see fit:
Total personal fouls committed by team, this season:
1) Stout = 565 fouls vs. 555 on opponents
Stout plays a fast aggressive game which normally has both teams committing a high number of fouls.
And as your research shows, the fouls on average, were usually were pretty close at the end of the average game - plus or minus a couple 2 or 3 called fouls. The lone exception was Platteville who averaged 5 less penalties per game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on February 21, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
Post by: Bears rule on February 21, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
How about the last weekend?
WW rolls Sup
STP plays like they did against EC ten days earlier
LC stays on a roll. Looks like LC WW final right now
Stout and EC battle to the wire. From reading on the board it sounds like a typical stout ec game
RF takes down Platteville with no T Gregorich.
Going into this week WW and LC have played the best over the past few weeks. So based on how this season has gone, neither will win it all. So, does that mean STP wins it all?
The wacky WIAC should be fun the see who has the best week. I do not even want to guess at this point.
For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other the most heated games of the year when you two play?
WW rolls Sup
STP plays like they did against EC ten days earlier
LC stays on a roll. Looks like LC WW final right now
Stout and EC battle to the wire. From reading on the board it sounds like a typical stout ec game
RF takes down Platteville with no T Gregorich.
Going into this week WW and LC have played the best over the past few weeks. So based on how this season has gone, neither will win it all. So, does that mean STP wins it all?
The wacky WIAC should be fun the see who has the best week. I do not even want to guess at this point.
For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other the most heated games of the year when you two play?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 21, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 21, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 21, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other the most heated games of the year when you two play?
I would say so!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 11:43:50 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: Bears rule on February 21, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other the most heated games of the year when you two play?
I'd say there isn't a lot of love lost between the two.... ;D
I think the physical proximity to each other plays into the rivalry.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 09:23:39 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 09:23:39 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 21, 2010, 07:59:40 PMQuote from: JMM on February 21, 2010, 03:17:11 PMQuoteHrsisig falls all over with the ball - no walk. Plendil falls - Walking.
The difference is, Plendl fell and slid, Hirssig fell and didn't slide.
You could slide from one end of the court to the other and not get called for traveling. As long as you don't roll over it's not a travel. They changed that rule 4 years ago or so.
If you have the ball and hold it as you fall to the ground, that's a travel. If you don't have possession or are dribbling as you fall then it's not.
Just for clarification.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 22, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 09:23:39 AMAs long as you don't roll over it's not a travel.
Thanks for the clarification.
And Plendl did roll over - started on her knees and ended up on her back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
The number of fouls is interesting but what is more significant, imo, is the number of free throws that result from the fouls called. Here's those number to do with as you please.
Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted
Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591
I wonder what the deal is with Platteville. They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.
I smell a conspiracy. :D :D :D ;D
Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted
Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591
I wonder what the deal is with Platteville. They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.
I smell a conspiracy. :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 22, 2010, 11:09:51 AM
Post by: bulk19 on February 22, 2010, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
The number of fouls is interesting but what is more significant, imo, is the number of free throws that result from the fouls called. Here's those number to do with as you please.
Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted
Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591
I wonder what the deal is with Platteville. They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.
I smell a conspiracy. :D :D :D ;D
Cue the theme from Twilight Zone, as you might be on to something there badgerwarhawk, seeings on Jan. 27 you posted:
Free throws killed the WARHAWKS again last night. Point shoots 30 free throws making 22 and the WARHAWKS shoot 11 making 9. I don't know what it is but for whatever reason since the Eau Claire game opponents have had the advantage from the free throw line 90-43. The WARHAWKS trailed big early in the first half but managed to cut the lead down to five by the break and take their first lead at the sixteen minute mark 39-37. Point was struggling at that point it we had a chance to put some distance between us however over the next 8 minutes we also couldn't score and then Point got back on track retaking the lead 44-43 and from that time on scores 17 of their next 24 points from the free throw line.
Because since then, the totals have generally been in the Warhawks favor (exhibit #1, the last UWEC-Warhawk game)!
Quit playing mind games with the refs, and using your powers of suggestion, badgerwarhawk! ;) You put a bug in their ears! Ha.
As I said in my post, and you in your's, we can do what we want with these numbers, (and interpret them wearing our team-colored glasses), but I think we can agree that it ultimately comes down to who is in the uniforms, not the stripes...
So, you guys gearing up for a DH on Thursday? Great "Make Mine A Double" photo on the website... That pride and joy reflected in their faces is what it's all about, what gives us fans the enjoyment we experience during a season...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.
And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.
And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2010, 11:25:24 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2010, 11:25:24 AM
Congratulations to Shirley Egner! She has been elected to the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame:
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220101104.aspx?path=wbball
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220101104.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:56:15 AM
Post by: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 22, 2010, 11:25:24 AMCongrats to her.
Congratulations to Shirley Egner! She has been elected to the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame:
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220101104.aspx?path=wbball
Question though? How is Al McGuire just being inducted into the WBCA Hall of Fame this year? Weird
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisco87 on February 22, 2010, 12:30:29 PM
Post by: wisco87 on February 22, 2010, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
The number of fouls is interesting but what is more significant, imo, is the number of free throws that result from the fouls called. Here's those number to do with as you please.
Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted
Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591
I wonder what the deal is with Platteville. They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.
I smell a conspiracy. :D :D :D ;D
Stats can get pretty interesting sometimes can't they haha. Now I am just guessing, but I wonder if it has anything to do with Platteville's margin of victory is -1.1. So in games where there leading, there typically closer games, thus more fouling especially late in the game. However, when UWP is losing, it is by a larger margin so there not fouling to try to get back into the game. Idk for sure, just a guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 12:36:31 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 12:36:31 PM
Quote from: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.
And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.
Losing by 6 to a team twice doesn't really display getting dominated...Though I think EC is a tough matchup for them.
If they do play well against EC and beat them, I can't see Stevens Point winning that game. Nothing on Saturday showed me Stevens Point is a nationally ranked team. Maybe it was a really bad game for them, but UWL was confident and smooth the entire game. If they win against EC, there would be no reason for that to change.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 22, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on February 22, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
One of the worst things an official can do is look at the foul total and try to make calls even out. So many factors play into that, it's unfair to teams that move their feet and keep their hands off. I hate when people make that argument and a ref gives into them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2010, 03:17:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2010, 03:17:15 PM
Five seniors finish in style....
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 22, 2010, 04:29:24 PM
Post by: billys on February 22, 2010, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 12:36:31 PMGuess I missed where I said DOMINATED. I'm saying I don't think they can do both. I think they can beat UWEC, I just don't see them doing that, then going to Berg and winning there.Quote from: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.
And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.
Losing by 6 to a team twice doesn't really display getting dominated...Though I think EC is a tough matchup for them.
If they do play well against EC and beat them, I can't see Stevens Point winning that game. Nothing on Saturday showed me Stevens Point is a nationally ranked team. Maybe it was a really bad game for them, but UWL was confident and smooth the entire game. If they win against EC, there would be no reason for that to change.
You're willing to base your prediction for Thursday based on a half of basketball last Saturday? But then say getting swept doesn't really tell you anything about Tuesday? I guess I'm missing that logic. Point was up three at half and UWL dominated the 2nd half. Point went 6-for-27 in the 2nd half. I'm not saying that didn't have a lot to do with UWL's defense ... I'm just confident they won't shoot that poorly again at home.
Nice to have parents join in the discussion
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 22, 2010, 05:08:44 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 22, 2010, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: billys on February 22, 2010, 04:29:24 PM
Nice to have parents join in the discussion
I wasn't aware anyone followed D3 Women's basketball besides those that play, coach, officiate, and the people that know players or coaches. Nice to know that there are people out there that do.
Also, UWL was down 3 at half, but I don't think there were too many people in that gym that thought Stevens Point was going to pull off that game. Either way you are right that going through EC and Point just to get to WW... That seems like a tall order.
Prediction time:
UWL over EC
Stout over RF
Point over UWL
WW over Stout?
WW? over Point
I'm not convinced on the prediction of the Stout vs. WW matchup. But either way I would choose the winner of that game in the final.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 10:03:11 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: billys on February 22, 2010, 04:29:24 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on February 22, 2010, 12:36:31 PMGuess I missed where I said DOMINATED. I'm saying I don't think they can do both. I think they can beat UWEC, I just don't see them doing that, then going to Berg and winning there.Quote from: billys on February 22, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.
And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.
Losing by 6 to a team twice doesn't really display getting dominated...Though I think EC is a tough matchup for them.
If they do play well against EC and beat them, I can't see Stevens Point winning that game. Nothing on Saturday showed me Stevens Point is a nationally ranked team. Maybe it was a really bad game for them, but UWL was confident and smooth the entire game. If they win against EC, there would be no reason for that to change.
You're willing to base your prediction for Thursday based on a half of basketball last Saturday? But then say getting swept doesn't really tell you anything about Tuesday? I guess I'm missing that logic. Point was up three at half and UWL dominated the 2nd half. Point went 6-for-27 in the 2nd half. I'm not saying that didn't have a lot to do with UWL's defense ... I'm just confident they won't shoot that poorly again at home.
Nice to have parents join in the discussion
And I guess I missed where I said YOU said DOMINATED because I didn't. I was trying to point out that had they been dominated I would agree with them not being likely to beat them, but I don't think two close games will have much say on who wins other than it'll likely be a close game.
As for STP, I saw the game on Saturday, and seeing as IF UWL wins they would play them again, I see no reason why the matchups would change that much. I am a firm believer that home court means jack in a game, but that's just my opinion. I definitely wouldn't see a blowout, but STP did not get many good looks in that game, if they didn't again, they'd be in trouble. I'll back off saying I can't see them winning that game, but I really think that UWL would have the upper hand.
But I still think Tuesday's game is going to be very difficult for UWL. EC provides matchup problems... I'm hoping for a good one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on February 23, 2010, 04:28:47 AM
Post by: OshDude on February 23, 2010, 04:28:47 AM
UWO's Schumacher knew her team was going to be in the WIAC cellar five years after taking the job.
"It's been a learning experience too, because I've learned what type of kid I need to recruit. I knew five years into it this is where we were going to be. We will get this back to where it was."
Interesting read. Unless you make a PDF, this article (http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20100222/OSH02/100221044) will be archived to Gannett purgatory in less than a week.
"It's been a learning experience too, because I've learned what type of kid I need to recruit. I knew five years into it this is where we were going to be. We will get this back to where it was."
Interesting read. Unless you make a PDF, this article (http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20100222/OSH02/100221044) will be archived to Gannett purgatory in less than a week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2010, 09:29:23 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2010, 09:29:23 AM
It's still startling to read a UWO article that dreams of reaching .500 someday. It just shows how fragile success can be. One coaching change and a couple bad recruiting classes and you're in a five-year hole.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 23, 2010, 10:59:40 AM
Post by: billys on February 23, 2010, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: OshDude on February 23, 2010, 04:28:47 AM
UWO's Schumacher knew her team was going to be in the WIAC cellar five years after taking the job.
"It's been a learning experience too, because I've learned what type of kid I need to recruit. I knew five years into it this is where we were going to be. We will get this back to where it was."
Interesting read. Unless you make a PDF, this article (http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20100222/OSH02/100221044) will be archived to Gannett purgatory in less than a week.
Wow! That is quite a read. The problem is it didn't have to happen cause she had an immediate conference title to recruit off of. That's a really weird article. The first year when she "couldn't" recruit the won the league. So she should have had the opportunity to see during that year the "type of kid they needed" cause she was coaching them on a daily basis.
The problem now is the hole might be too deep. You can't take a five-year hiatus as a program and then think you can just recruit. As optimistic as she is she's not building off of a large foundation by talking about two kids. Not to mention other schools that are already much better than you will also be getting a year older with their returners and getting better kids.
Can't wait to hear hoop_junkie's take on this.
It is against my beliefs to knock a coach and how they run their program; but that makes me wonder about Oshkosh. I swore I was listening to Lisa Stone coming up with excuses why it takes 8 years to "turn-around" a program that annually went to the NCAA Tournament; heck, it's a similar situation.
Yikes
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2010, 07:57:26 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2010, 07:57:26 PM
At the half,
UWL over UWEC, 30-28, Olson's 3-3 on 3s keeping EC in it. EC's starting posts only 2-9 on attempts.
Stout blowing out RF, 42-22. Stout's offense looks good. I can't believe how many layups RF has missed.
UWL over UWEC, 30-28, Olson's 3-3 on 3s keeping EC in it. EC's starting posts only 2-9 on attempts.
Stout blowing out RF, 42-22. Stout's offense looks good. I can't believe how many layups RF has missed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
Eau Claire beats LaCrosse 61-57. LaCrosse missed a jumper with 2 seconds left that would have tied it. Eau Claire will play WHITEWATER.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 23, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 23, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
EC pulls it out over UWL. GREAT GAME!
I remembered why I once said that Messick was such a great player. 17 pts, 12 boards, 4 blocks tonight. She also plays great DEFENSE!
Laura Olsen gets hot again for EC going 5-6 from three point range.
Lang and Churchill go a combined 5 for 21 for UWL.
Great season for UWL. Looking forward to next year and a conference championship run (if they can beat UWEC for once!)
Best of luck to the remaining teams. Hope to see the WIAC get a couple teams in the tourney.
I remembered why I once said that Messick was such a great player. 17 pts, 12 boards, 4 blocks tonight. She also plays great DEFENSE!
Laura Olsen gets hot again for EC going 5-6 from three point range.
Lang and Churchill go a combined 5 for 21 for UWL.
Great season for UWL. Looking forward to next year and a conference championship run (if they can beat UWEC for once!)
Best of luck to the remaining teams. Hope to see the WIAC get a couple teams in the tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Hooray Stout! Hooray Blugolds. One of these teams could take the tournament if they stay focused.As already stated, Like ST over SP. If EC keeps TOs under 15 should take WW. They will need their best defense and STOP the 3pt shots. If there is no Brain fog - EC has a shot.
Would be super to be at Stout next Saturday watching EC and ST rematch. I know who would win that one. All that said, WW is still the team to beat. I beleive the seniors at WW will play such unbeleivable tight defense that EC will struggle.. Gameplan Tonja, Gameplan.
Would be super to be at Stout next Saturday watching EC and ST rematch. I know who would win that one. All that said, WW is still the team to beat. I beleive the seniors at WW will play such unbeleivable tight defense that EC will struggle.. Gameplan Tonja, Gameplan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 10:12:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 10:12:30 AM
Julia Hirssig Academic All-America of the Year
QuoteUW-Stout senior forward Julia Hirssig (Rochester, Minn/Mayo) headlines the 2009-10 ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America® Women's Basketball Team, College Division, as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA).
Hirssig has been named as the winner of the Academic All-America® of the Year award in the College Division. Junior forward Maya Moore of top ranked University of Connecticut received the same award in the University Division. College Division is made up of NCAA Division II and III schools, along with NAIA schools. The University Division is made up of NCAA Division I schools.
The only repeat selection on the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America ® Women's Basketball College Division first team, Hirssig is a Hotel, Restaurant & Tourism Management major with a 3.96 G.P.A. A three-year starter, she owns the school scoring record with 1,686 points. A two-time All-Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC) selection, the Rochester, Minn. native has started 79 games in a row and has played in all 108 games since her freshman year.
As a senior, Hirssig is averaging a league-leading 21.1 points and 10.5 rebounds per game. She ranks first in NCAA Division III with a .679 field goal percentage while leading the Blue Devils to a 15-10 record and a berth in the WIAC Tournament. A pre-season All-American selection, she was the second-leading scorer in the WIAC as a junior, averaging 18.5 points per game. She was also the second-leading rebounder in the league with a 10.8 average and earned honorable mention All-American honors from the Women's Basketball Coaches Association.
Congratulations Julia! You've worked hard and are receiving the well deserved rewards.
Keep working - this season isn't over yet.... ;D 8-) ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 23, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
I remembered why I once said that Messick was such a great player. She plays DEFENSE. (17 pts, 12 boards, 4 blocks tonight)
Is this something new? Did she just start playing defense this year?
I looked at the 2008/2009 WIAC All Defensive Team and didn't find her name there.
Before you say that only Seniors get recognized for that, let me remind you that Hirssig was All Defense last year.
And now I can see it coming, Messick was only a Sophomore last year. Well, check out the 2007/2008 All Defensive Team - Hirssig was on that one too - as a Sophomore.
This year? Maybe Messick might make the squad.
Stats?
Rebounding
1.Frank, Danielle-LC....... JR 16 71 108 179 11.2
2.Hirssig, Julia-ST........ SR 16 84 93 177 11.1
3.Mesick, Hannah-EC........ JR 16 35 91 126 7.9
4.Churchill, Shelby-OSH.... JR 16 34 91 125 7.8
5.Plendl, Ellen-EC......... SO 16 44 77 121 7.6
6.Dohrn, Maranda-RF........ SO 16 51 67 118 7.4
7.Nemitz, Stacia-PLT....... SR 16 38 58 96 6.0
8.Stokke, Kim-ST........... SR 16 27 67 94 5.9
9.Hart, Hailey-SUP......... SO 15 53 35 88 5.9
Lindner, Jodi-EC......... SR 15 20 68 88 5.9
Steals
1.Hendrickson, Kelsey-WW... SR 16 55 3.44
2.Flease, Andrea-STP....... JR 15 37 2.47
3.Poad, Claire-PLT......... FR 16 34 2.13
4.Stotmeister, Charity-PLT. SR 16 33 2.06
Hirssig, Julia-ST........ SR 16 33 2.06
6.Holst, Alise-RF.......... SO 16 31 1.94
7.Stokke, Kim-ST........... SR 16 30 1.88
Bundy, Nicole-WW......... SR 16 30 1.88
9.Sonntag, Heidi-WW........ SR 16 29 1.81
10.Gregorich, Tiffany-RF.... SO 15 27 1.80
Messick averaged 1.43 steals per game.
Blocks
1.Frank, Danielle-LC....... JR 16 59 3.69
2.Plendl, Ellen-EC......... SO 16 26 1.63
3.Averkamp, Ashley-STP..... SO 15 22 1.47
4.Kumerow, Cortney-WW...... FR 16 21 1.31
5.Stokke, Kim-ST........... SR 16 20 1.25
6.Petersen, Britta-STP..... JR 16 19 1.19
7.Bauer, Dannielle-OSH..... JR 16 16 1.00
8.Dohrn, Maranda-RF........ SO 16 15 0.94
9.Maslowski, Megan-ST...... SR 16 13 0.81
10.Mesick, Hannah-EC........ JR 16 12 0.75
DeWitt, Danielle-ST...... SR 16 12 0.75
I think Frank and Hirssig are locks for All Defense. I think Stokke makes it because she's in the top 10 (5th, 7th and 8th) in all 3 categories. Plendl is top 5 (2nd and 5th) in 2 categories.
Messick is a distant 3rd (over 3 fewer rebounds per game) in Rebounding, tied for 10th in Blocks, and not in the top 10 for Steals. She might get in the All Defensive Team, but there are other possibilities - Hendrickson from WW comes to mind.
There are lots of WIAC players that play defense. That's actually one of the strengths of the WIAC.
I said it before - Messick is a very good player. She would be a welcome addition to any team in the league.
I just don't understand your continually making her out to be the second coming. She's very good, but so are several other young women in this conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 11:03:36 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
I just don't understand your continually making her out to be the second coming. She's very good, but so are several other young women in this conference.
Continually? I commented about her great play twice after seeing her play in two different games. Each time came away very impressed.
Continually would be your long rants trying to put her down for some reason like you are being personally attacked.
But, since your going to bring in some stats, you hit on one of the points I saw yesterday. Rebounding. How about defensive rebounds if you are trying to make a case for an all-defense team? I'm surprised your stats didn't include free throw % since that is about as valid to being a good defender as offensive rebounds are.
DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS
## Player-Team Cl G No. Avg/G
----------------------------------------------
1.Frank, Danielle-LC....... JR 26 168 6.46
2.Mesick, Hannah-EC........ JR 26 162 6.23
3.Churchill, Shelby-OSH.... JR 25 150 6.00
4.Hirssig, Julia-ST........ SR 26 146 5.62
5.Plendl, Ellen-EC......... SO 26 118 4.54
6.Churchill, Dana-LC....... JR 26 108 4.15
7.Nemitz, Stacia-PLT....... SR 24 96 4.00
8.Lindner, Jodi-EC......... SR 24 95 3.96
9.Dohrn, Maranda-RF........ SO 25 98 3.92
Petersen, Britta-STP..... JR 25 98 3.92
11.Stokke, Kim-ST........... SR 26 98 3.77
12.Burg, Chantel-WW......... SO 24 90 3.75
13.Maslowski, Megan-ST...... SR 26 91 3.50
14.Bundy, Nicole-WW......... SR 25 81 3.24
Gregorich, Brittany-RF... FR 25 81 3.24
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
The game last night...
Was a good one for Stout.
But two totally different games in each half.
It appeared to me that RF was trying to stop Stout's scoring by fouling them and forcing them to the line to score. But Stout sank 67% of the FT's accounting for 50% of their 20 point first half lead.
Second half started the same way with Stout building the lead to 30.
But then the game changed. A technical was called against the RF bench (don't know what happened) with about 13 minutes to go.
After the technical, the refs must have decided to call anything that looked remotely like a foul.
In the last 13 minutes of the game, these refs called a total of 21 fouls. That's 2 more fouls than were called in the entire first half!
The outcome of the game was a foregone conclusion (both teams putting the bench players in) and the refs were still called 2 touch fouls with less than 20 seconds to go.
It was a painful/joyful game to watch, if that makes any sense. It was dragged out because of the officiating, but my team was winning...
Hirssig led the scoring with 20, closely followed by VanVreede with 19 and 8 other players scored for Stout. B. Gregorich and Holst had 13 and T. Gregorich and Theisen had 11 each for River.
DeWitt, Maslowski for Stout and Dohrn for River fouled out in the foulfest that occurred in the second half (33 fouls).
Stout hit 22 of 27 from the charity stripe, while River made 14 of 24.
Rebounding was 41 - 39 with Stout holding the advantage.
Next up - Stevens Point!
Was a good one for Stout.
But two totally different games in each half.
It appeared to me that RF was trying to stop Stout's scoring by fouling them and forcing them to the line to score. But Stout sank 67% of the FT's accounting for 50% of their 20 point first half lead.
Second half started the same way with Stout building the lead to 30.
But then the game changed. A technical was called against the RF bench (don't know what happened) with about 13 minutes to go.
After the technical, the refs must have decided to call anything that looked remotely like a foul.
In the last 13 minutes of the game, these refs called a total of 21 fouls. That's 2 more fouls than were called in the entire first half!
The outcome of the game was a foregone conclusion (both teams putting the bench players in) and the refs were still called 2 touch fouls with less than 20 seconds to go.
It was a painful/joyful game to watch, if that makes any sense. It was dragged out because of the officiating, but my team was winning...
Hirssig led the scoring with 20, closely followed by VanVreede with 19 and 8 other players scored for Stout. B. Gregorich and Holst had 13 and T. Gregorich and Theisen had 11 each for River.
DeWitt, Maslowski for Stout and Dohrn for River fouled out in the foulfest that occurred in the second half (33 fouls).
Stout hit 22 of 27 from the charity stripe, while River made 14 of 24.
Rebounding was 41 - 39 with Stout holding the advantage.
Next up - Stevens Point!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 11:18:18 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 11:03:36 AM
Continually? I commented about her great play twice after seeing her play in two different games. Each time came away very impressed.
Weren't you the one that posted that Messick was the best WIAC player that you've seen in the last 5 years? If not, I apologize for confusing the issue.
QuoteContinually would be your long rants trying to put her down for some reason like you are being personally attacked.
Who's putting her down? I've clearly stated multiple times that she IS a very good player.
QuoteBut, since your going to bring in some stats, you hit on one of the points I saw yesterday. Rebounding. How about defensive rebounds if you are trying to make a case for an all-defense team? I'm surprised your stats didn't include free throw % since that is about as valid to being a good defender as offensive rebounds are.
I used total rebounds because that is the STAT you used to make your point in your previous post:
Quote(17 pts, 12 boards, 4 blocks tonight)
You counted all the boards (even points scored - I could bring up those #'s - but I don't think I need to embarrass you anymore), and in many respects a rebound is a rebound - it keeps the ball away from the other team.
And yes, I was aware that if you only look at Defensive Rebounds, Messick #'s are a little better.
Bottom line - is Messick the only player in the WIAC that plays very good defense? That's what your post implied.
She is one of several that have earned that recognition. She's a player that must be accounted for on both ends of the floor.
Is she a GREAT player as you continually claim. I'm not willing to go that far yet. She is very good though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 11:24:58 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 11:24:58 AM
Fixed my previous post for you. I apologize for the error. Break down this reply into 17 comments please.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 12:21:25 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 12:21:25 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2010, 12:38:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2010, 12:38:48 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 24, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 10:12:30 AMJulia Hirssig Academic All-America of the YearQuoteUW-Stout senior forward Julia Hirssig (Rochester, Minn/Mayo) headlines the 2009-10 ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America® Women's Basketball Team, College Division, as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA).
Hirssig has been named as the winner of the Academic All-America® of the Year award in the College Division. Junior forward Maya Moore of top ranked University of Connecticut received the same award in the University Division. College Division is made up of NCAA Division II and III schools, along with NAIA schools. The University Division is made up of NCAA Division I schools.
The only repeat selection on the ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America ® Women's Basketball College Division first team, Hirssig is a Hotel, Restaurant & Tourism Management major with a 3.96 G.P.A. A three-year starter, she owns the school scoring record with 1,686 points. A two-time All-Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC) selection, the Rochester, Minn. native has started 79 games in a row and has played in all 108 games since her freshman year.
As a senior, Hirssig is averaging a league-leading 21.1 points and 10.5 rebounds per game. She ranks first in NCAA Division III with a .679 field goal percentage while leading the Blue Devils to a 15-10 record and a berth in the WIAC Tournament. A pre-season All-American selection, she was the second-leading scorer in the WIAC as a junior, averaging 18.5 points per game. She was also the second-leading rebounder in the league with a 10.8 average and earned honorable mention All-American honors from the Women's Basketball Coaches Association.
Congratulations Julia! You've worked hard and are receiving the well deserved rewards.
Keep working - this season isn't over yet.... ;D 8-) ;)
she is now second all time scoring leader in stout history of men and women
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
Post by: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
The game last night...
Was a good one for Stout.
But two totally different games in each half.
It appeared to me that RF was trying to stop Stout's scoring by fouling them and forcing them to the line to score. But Stout sank 67% of the FT's accounting for 50% of their 20 point first half lead.
Second half started the same way with Stout building the lead to 30.
But then the game changed. A technical was called against the RF bench (don't know what happened) with about 13 minutes to go.
After the technical, the refs must have decided to call anything that looked remotely like a foul.
In the last 13 minutes of the game, these refs called a total of 21 fouls. That's 2 more fouls than were called in the entire first half!
The outcome of the game was a foregone conclusion (both teams putting the bench players in) and the refs were still called 2 touch fouls with less than 20 seconds to go.
It was a painful/joyful game to watch, if that makes any sense. It was dragged out because of the officiating, but my team was winning...
I believe the tech was on Coach Holbrook. She was speaking with the ref and then he called the foul and pointed to her, although it was the most calm technical foul I've ever seen, so I'm guessing she must have said something. There was another post about RF missing layups in the first half, which may have been the game. I did some very unofficial tallying, and thought it was around 8 layups they missed, that should have been made. Although it is easy to say from the stands that a shot should have been made. That being said, that would have trimmed the 20 point lead at half to only 4. It is complete speculation, but may have changed the game.
You make a good point about the fouls, it was, well a lot of calls being made that I don't think were made in the first half, so pretty inconsistent. RF was able to make a run the final ten minutes of the game, mostly from the hustle of there three senior guards. The score was something like 60-28 at 10 mins or so left in the game, and got the lead down to around 15 or so at one point.
There was also a great mens game after for anyone who watched it, with Stout nailing a 3 pointer at the buzzer to win. So a great night for Stout fans. Not so much for the Platteville/River Falls fan in me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:16:49 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
I believe the tech was on Coach Holbrook. She was speaking with the ref and then he called the foul and pointed to her, although it was the most calm technical foul I've ever seen, so I'm guessing she must have said something.
That's what I saw too. But in the stats it's says the T was charged to the bench. Maybe that's how they list it all the time - I don't know.
QuoteYou make a good point about the fouls, it was, well a lot of calls being made that I don't think were made in the first half, so pretty inconsistent. RF was able to make a run the final ten minutes of the game, mostly from the hustle of there three senior guards. The score was something like 60-28 at 10 mins or so left in the game, and got the lead down to around 15 or so at one point.
That was my point. I wasn't complaining about who the fouls were being called against - just the sudden timing of the change in how the game was being called. Consistency went out the window after that T foul.
The RF runs started at about the 11 minute mark and lasted about 2 minutes, fueled by 4 fouls against Stout and some excellent play by the RF team, bringing the Stout lead down to 18 points.
After that, things settled down and the lead floated between 15 and 21 points, with the final score 86 - 70.
QuoteThere was also a great mens game after for anyone who watched it, with Stout nailing a 3 pointer at the buzzer to win. So a great night for Stout fans. Not so much for the Platteville/River Falls fan in me.
Sounds like it was a great game. I had a 2 hour drive home, so chatted with the players for about 30 minutes and headed home...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2010, 12:38:48 PMYour wish is my command. :D ;)
I thought of doing something like that, but decided against it.
Hilarious.... ;D
Now you're going to be on his crap list too - especially if you don't go on and on how GREAT Messick plays tomorrow night....
Did you know, she's the greatest player in the WIAC over the last 5 years... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:50:20 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2010, 12:38:48 PMYour wish is my command. :D ;)
I thought of doing something like that, but decided against it.
Hilarious.... ;D
Now you're going to be on his crap list too - especially if you don't go on and on how GREAT Messick plays tomorrow night....
Did you know, she's the greatest player in the WIAC over the last 5 years... ::)
Not on my crap list, not worried about how Messick plays tomorrow, already stated I was just complimenting a competitor, not sure what else you want to hear, will be more careful about complimenting players outside of Stout.
Good luck to all teams playing tomorrow night. Signing off until next year. Peace and safety to all, including Champ.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
This weeks region rankings
Central Region Record Overall Record
1. Illinois Wesleyan 21-1 24-1
2. Carthage 19-2 22-3
3. Washington U. 19-2 22-2
4. Chicago 19-5 19-5
5. UW-Whitewater 18-5 19-6
6. St. Norbert 20-3 20-3
Central Region Record Overall Record
1. Illinois Wesleyan 21-1 24-1
2. Carthage 19-2 22-3
3. Washington U. 19-2 22-2
4. Chicago 19-5 19-5
5. UW-Whitewater 18-5 19-6
6. St. Norbert 20-3 20-3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 24, 2010, 07:26:48 PM
Post by: buf on February 24, 2010, 07:26:48 PM
Congrats to coach Englund on win #200 at UWEC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:16:49 PMQuote from: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
I believe the tech was on Coach Holbrook. She was speaking with the ref and then he called the foul and pointed to her, although it was the most calm technical foul I've ever seen, so I'm guessing she must have said something.
That's what I saw too. But in the stats it's says the T was charged to the bench. Maybe that's how they list it all the time - I don't know.
Technical fouls on the head coach are assigned to the bench. The head coach is responsible for any T on an assistant coach, manager, trainer, etc. So a head coach could be tossed for two bench T's even if they didn't actually get one themselves.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
Post by: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:16:49 PMQuote from: wisco87 on February 24, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
That was my point. I wasn't complaining about who the fouls were being called against - just the sudden timing of the change in how the game was being called. Consistency went out the window after that T foul.
The RF runs started at about the 11 minute mark and lasted about 2 minutes, fueled by 4 fouls against Stout and some excellent play by the RF team, bringing the Stout lead down to 18 points.
After that, things settled down and the lead floated between 15 and 21 points, with the final score 86 - 70.
Sounds like it was a great game. I had a 2 hour drive home, so chatted with the players for about 30 minutes and headed home...
Great quote about consistency going out the window, because that basically sums it up. All in all, I thought it was a strange way to officiate the end of a game with a 20 point lead.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 12:42:34 AM
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 12:42:34 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
But then the game changed. A technical was called against the RF bench (don't know what happened) with about 13 minutes to go.
After the technical, the refs must have decided to call anything that looked remotely like a foul.
I am not completely sure, but I think the technical was on Tiffany Gregorich. She jumped off the bench after a no-call went against her sister. She appeared to be yelling and didnt want to sit down.
My color commentator made a great point... "if she has that much energy why isnt she in the game?"
Tiffany had mono and was a game time decision for lasts night game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 07:53:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 07:53:41 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
...will be more careful about complimenting players outside of Stout.
Hey, what's wrong with complimenting a player.
I have clearly stated that Hannah Messick is a very good player.
You have continually tried to portray Messick as a great player - going so far as to say she's the best in the WIAC over the last 5 years.
When you originally made that point - I took you to task. If you'd go back and look, my initial post stated that she wasn't the best player on her own team in the last 5 years.
It was the rest of this board that took you to task, pointing out that Hirssig was the best player in the WIAC this year.
After the game on Tuesday you tried to project her as a player that was great because she played defense too.
Well, if you're going to make these bold kind of statements, you should be prepared to back them up.
If you can't, then maybe you shouldn't be making them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 08:00:27 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Technical fouls on the head coach are assigned to the bench. The head coach is responsible for any T on an assistant coach, manager, trainer, etc. So a head coach could be tossed for two bench T's even if they didn't actually get one themselves.
Thanks for the clarification!
Quote from: UWRFI am not completely sure, but I think the technical was on Tiffany Gregorich. She jumped off the bench after a no-call went against her sister. She appeared to be yelling and didnt want to sit down.
That's probably it. I didn't see what happened - was watching the action on the court. But as soon as the whistle blew and the T was called - I looked a Cindy and she seemed completely calm at the time - not the attitude typically shown by a HC after having a T called on them individually.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisco87 on February 25, 2010, 09:38:30 AM
Post by: wisco87 on February 25, 2010, 09:38:30 AM
Quote from: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 08:00:27 AMQuote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Technical fouls on the head coach are assigned to the bench. The head coach is responsible for any T on an assistant coach, manager, trainer, etc. So a head coach could be tossed for two bench T's even if they didn't actually get one themselves.
Thanks for the clarification!Quote from: UWRFI am not completely sure, but I think the technical was on Tiffany Gregorich. She jumped off the bench after a no-call went against her sister. She appeared to be yelling and didnt want to sit down.
That's probably it. I didn't see what happened - was watching the action on the court. But as soon as the whistle blew and the T was called - I looked a Cindy and she seemed completely calm at the time - not the attitude typically shown by a HC after having a T called on them individually.
Yeah that does make sense. I saw the ref speaking with Coach Holbrook for awhile, but both were pretty calm, so they may have been speaking about why he was calling the tech.
That's probably it. I didn't see what happened - was watching the action on the court. But as soon as the whistle blew and the T was called - I looked a Cindy and she seemed completely calm at the time - not the attitude typically shown by a HC after having a T called on them individually.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Not on my crap list, not worried about how Messick plays tomorrow, already stated I was just complimenting a competitor, not sure what else you want to hear, will be more careful about complimenting players outside of Stout.
Good luck to all teams playing tomorrow night. Signing off until next year. Peace and safety to all, including Champ.
I was just messing around because I had time to kill between appointments. No offense intended it was just one of those things that I just couldn't help myself. That's why I included the smiley/winking guys after.
Messick is a load and we'll have to control her to have a shot at winning tonight. Everyone down here knows that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
I would like to clarify that the technical was in fact on Cindy. It was not on Tiffany.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
I would like to clarify that the technical was in fact on Cindy. It was not on Tiffany.
Thanks for the clarification. From your previous post it sure seemed like you were telling us it was on Tiffany:
QuoteI am not completely sure, but I think the technical was on Tiffany Gregorich. She jumped off the bench after a no-call went against her sister. She appeared to be yelling and didnt want to sit down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 01:26:23 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2010, 01:26:23 PM
Yeah originally that was a theory that I had. But I received clarification that it was NOT on Tiffany.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 25, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 25, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AMQuote from: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
EC gets a road "W" at La Crosse, 68-62. Mesick and Plendl again the key, but Laura Olson chipped in with 13 and had just one turnover. 'Golds had 14, but that's a pretty good number for them lately. They also knocked down their FT's down the stretch.
Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years.
Is it just me, or is this topic being drug out by someone who has continually mischaracterized what was originally said here???
"The best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years" has been conveniently been skipped, and changed into the best player in the WIAC, which is not what is being said.
Seems to me the key inference that should be drawn here is "seen play" suggests seen in person... (What, heaven forbid, if PRF2009A has not seen Stout play over the last five years??? Egads; Hirssig would therefore not be considered in one's opinion. Duh.)
Let me, using an analogy, explain this slowly, for anyone who doesn't seem to understand here, and wants to continually misconstrue things with facts, rather than accept what was an opinion based merely on one's observation:
Joe Mauer may be the best baseball player I have ever seen IN PERSON over the last five years. But I haven't seen Albert Pujols, A-Rod and many others over the last five years.
Now one can argue by throwing stats around all day that they are all better than Mauer, right?
But the fact remains, it would not be a stretch to say Mauer is the best ballplayer I have seen play over the last five years...
Comprende???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2010, 03:38:14 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2010, 03:38:14 PM
Well, I just completed an analysis of stats for the past 4 seasons including coaches's play off records both home and away . Here is my prediction for tonight.
EC 68
WW 73
ST 73 (J.H. plays the game of her life)
SP 84
See you all in WW on Saturday. I'll be wearing the egg.
EC 68
WW 73
ST 73 (J.H. plays the game of her life)
SP 84
See you all in WW on Saturday. I'll be wearing the egg.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 06:10:12 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 25, 2010, 02:17:07 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on January 24, 2010, 12:20:17 AMQuote from: bgbacker on January 23, 2010, 11:23:54 PM
EC gets a road "W" at La Crosse, 68-62. Mesick and Plendl again the key, but Laura Olson chipped in with 13 and had just one turnover. 'Golds had 14, but that's a pretty good number for them lately. They also knocked down their FT's down the stretch.
Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years.
Is it just me, or is this topic being drug out by someone who has continually mischaracterized what was originally said here???
"The best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years" has been conveniently been skipped, and changed into the best player in the WIAC, which is not what is being said.
Seems to me the key inference that should be drawn here is "seen play" suggests seen in person... (What, heaven forbid, if PRF2009A has not seen Stout play over the last five years??? Egads; Hirssig would therefore not be considered in one's opinion. Duh.)
Let me, using an analogy, explain this slowly, for anyone who doesn't seem to understand here, and wants to continually misconstrue things with facts, rather than accept what was an opinion based merely on one's observation:
Joe Mauer may be the best baseball player I have ever seen IN PERSON over the last five years. But I haven't seen Albert Pujols, A-Rod and many others over the last five years.
Now one can argue by throwing stats around all day that they are all better than Mauer, right?
But the fact remains, it would not be a stretch to say Mauer is the best ballplayer I have seen play over the last five years...
Comprende???
bulk
As long as you took the time to go back to late January to find the original post, why didn't you take the time the time to quote my post immediately after PRF2009A's back in January?
Maybe because I addressed all the points you belabored above?
Quote from: The ChampI have to agree that Mesick is a very good player.
But you haven't watched much WIAC Women's BB if she is the best player you have seen play over the last 4 years.
I think one could argue that she hasn't even been the best player on her own team over the last 4 years.
Players like Heidi Arciszewski, Michelle Burns and Heather Witt could seriously contend for that distinction.
I know you watch a lot of UWEC BB.
I want to know if you rate Hannah Messick ahead of Heidi Arciszewski, Michelle Burns and Heather Witt over the last 4 years? I have watched all 4 of them play multiple games, and I wouldn't.
But you have probably watched 3 or 4 times as many games, and I'll defer to your more perfect knowledge.
As I posted earlier - right from the start I've acknowledged that Messick is a very good player, and I truly believe that.
But I'm not willing to call her a great player yet as PRF claimed after the EC win on Tuesday night. And I wouldn't try and reaffirm that position by stating that she's great because she plays defense.
I questioned his opinion, and was looking for him to either post information to back up his opinion or agree that he might have been overstating things.
Instead of backing up his position, he took his ball and went home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2010, 06:45:03 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2010, 06:45:03 PM
I have seen almost every EC game over the past three years including most of the away games. Hope Tourney, Augustana, La Crosse, Whitewater, Ill Weyslan NCAA, Simpson NCAA, Ripon Tourney...
Her is what I would say:
Messick is on a par with Heidi, it is showing this year. What gets me with both of them is the quiet consistency in scoring 15-18 points. At the games you don't realize it but when you read the stats afterwards, the points are always there. Messick is a natural. Meaning she just has the form and ability. Same with Heidi. If Messick doesn't get hurt, she willl have the same type of season next year - very consistent. Her defense play is really coming on. This so far is an area Heidi has her beat (in my opinion) but again she has really been scrapping lately.
I think Burnsie had the ability to take over a game for the Blugolds when they really neededd it. While Archie some, Burnsie would more. Hannah seems to be on this even keel - like Heidi. Not so much of one to make take over the game.My thoughts.
One other big thing for Burnsie, when Messick arrived, there were changes made to where Burnsie played - she was moved more to the outside. She made this adjustment really welll.
When Plendil was introduced in the line up a year ago January, Messick did not adjust all that well. I beleive Messick was positioned more to shoot from the left side back then. They needed to move her back to the right because her shooting was affected.
Finally I was a Witt fan and pretty cool on Laura Olson. That has changed Laura is a great player. Not as good defensively yet - but she will get there. Will proably surpass Witt - who I think was fantastic.
Bingae is also a natural shooter. Saw her really step up against Stout a week ago in the comeback. She will take over many games in the future.
Her is what I would say:
Messick is on a par with Heidi, it is showing this year. What gets me with both of them is the quiet consistency in scoring 15-18 points. At the games you don't realize it but when you read the stats afterwards, the points are always there. Messick is a natural. Meaning she just has the form and ability. Same with Heidi. If Messick doesn't get hurt, she willl have the same type of season next year - very consistent. Her defense play is really coming on. This so far is an area Heidi has her beat (in my opinion) but again she has really been scrapping lately.
I think Burnsie had the ability to take over a game for the Blugolds when they really neededd it. While Archie some, Burnsie would more. Hannah seems to be on this even keel - like Heidi. Not so much of one to make take over the game.My thoughts.
One other big thing for Burnsie, when Messick arrived, there were changes made to where Burnsie played - she was moved more to the outside. She made this adjustment really welll.
When Plendil was introduced in the line up a year ago January, Messick did not adjust all that well. I beleive Messick was positioned more to shoot from the left side back then. They needed to move her back to the right because her shooting was affected.
Finally I was a Witt fan and pretty cool on Laura Olson. That has changed Laura is a great player. Not as good defensively yet - but she will get there. Will proably surpass Witt - who I think was fantastic.
Bingae is also a natural shooter. Saw her really step up against Stout a week ago in the comeback. She will take over many games in the future.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 07:17:51 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 07:17:51 PM
Some early scores:
UWW over EC 12-5, 16min. UWW 3-3 on 3s. Plendl picks up 2 fouls in less than 3min
Point over Stout 10-5, 15min
UWW over EC 12-5, 16min. UWW 3-3 on 3s. Plendl picks up 2 fouls in less than 3min
Point over Stout 10-5, 15min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
Halftime scores:
EC over UWW 38-37
Stout over Point 37-34. Live stats are at 22sec left.
EC over UWW 38-37
Stout over Point 37-34. Live stats are at 22sec left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
2nd half scores:
UWW is tied with UWEC at 47, 13min. EC in big trouble with both Linder and Olson on the bench with 4 fouls.
Point fired out of the gates to start the 2nd half and ended up going up by as much as 9. With 9min to go Point up 60-59
UWW is tied with UWEC at 47, 13min. EC in big trouble with both Linder and Olson on the bench with 4 fouls.
Point fired out of the gates to start the 2nd half and ended up going up by as much as 9. With 9min to go Point up 60-59
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:29:44 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:29:44 PM
UWW on a 9-2 run since Olson went to the bench with 4 fouls. A couple of turnovers have contributed to the run. UWW up 54-49
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
EC now went on a run to take a 2 point lead. However, missed 3 FTs and turned the ball over twice in a row. Hendrickson hits a 3 and UWW has the ball up one, 6min left. Hendrickson is really carrying the Hawks on offense
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:40:50 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:40:50 PM
Olson has fouled out with 5min left.
Point up 74-68, with 2:30 left
Point up 74-68, with 2:30 left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
Unbelievable, Linder fouls out seconds after Olson does. EC in big trouble, down 2, UWW ball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:46:03 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:46:03 PM
Bingea setting up the EC offense. Thats just weird! I don't think that I have followed an EC game this year in which Olson has gotten in foul trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:47:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:47:22 PM
Bingea banks in a 3 for a 1point lead, UWW hits 2 fTs. UWW up 1. Jump ball. UWW ball 2min. Mansdorf running point for EC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:49:32 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:49:32 PM
Awful foul called on Plendl. Even UWW announcers say so. Should have been 3-seconds in my opinion. UWW hits both FTs, up 3, 1:40 left.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 08:53:52 PM
Moran hits a baseline J, UWW up 5. Mesick gets bailed out on a forced shot, misses 1st FT. Timeout. Not looking good for EC.
Point beats Stout, 82-74.
Point beats Stout, 82-74.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 09:03:05 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2010, 09:03:05 PM
UWW wins, 73 to 68.
EC outshoots UWW 55% to 34% and outrebouded them 42-24 and ends up losing because......................... they lose the turnover margin 28-7.
EC outshoots UWW 55% to 34% and outrebouded them 42-24 and ends up losing because......................... they lose the turnover margin 28-7.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 09:15:03 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 25, 2010, 09:15:03 PM
Congrats to the Pointers on a well played game.
Andrea Flease was outstanding (wish she would have been out standing in some farmers field... ;)) - scoring 28 points to lead Point to the win.
Hirssig led Stout with 32 points, but I'm sure she'd have gladly had 0 points and the win.
Great career at Stout for Hirssig, Maslowski, Stokke, DeWitt and Bush - the 5 Seniors.
I'll be cheering for UWW on Saturday - Coach Keri's a former Stout assistant and Assistant Coach Amy Z is a former star player for Stout... 8-)
Andrea Flease was outstanding (wish she would have been out standing in some farmers field... ;)) - scoring 28 points to lead Point to the win.
Hirssig led Stout with 32 points, but I'm sure she'd have gladly had 0 points and the win.
Great career at Stout for Hirssig, Maslowski, Stokke, DeWitt and Bush - the 5 Seniors.
I'll be cheering for UWW on Saturday - Coach Keri's a former Stout assistant and Assistant Coach Amy Z is a former star player for Stout... 8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
One of Shirley Egner's strengths is getting her teams to rebound strongly after bad losses. After laying an egg at La Crosse, something told me that she'd have the Pointers ready for this one. (I would have said so, but I didn't want to disrupt the Mensa discussion going on.) Congrats to the Pointers, and congrats to Hirssig and the other Stout seniors.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
Plenty to look forward to next year EC. Let's leave those turnovers behind in this year. Otherwise we will need alot of velcro.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2010, 10:08:54 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2010, 10:08:54 AM
Some observations:
1. Kelsey Hendrickson is playing as well as anyone in the league has all year right now. She's put the WARHAWKS on her back. She was the offense in the first half scoring 20 of the team's 37 points and finishes the night with 30 points, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 4 steals.
2. Sarah Moran played her heart out. The senior reserve really stepped up finishing with a career high (I think) 14 points, 2 assists and 4 steals.
3. Chantel Burg didn't shoot well but had 5 rebounds and 6 steals. Several of which came when the BluGolds were attempting to feed Mesick in the post.
4. Turnovers absolutely killed the BluGolds. 28 turnovers on the game, 18 of which were steals by WARHAWK defenders.
5. Mesick had a nice first half (10 points, 6 defensive rebounds) but wasn't that much of a factor in the second one (5 points, 4 defensive rebounds). She didn't have an offensive rebound all night and turned the ball over a team high 5 times.
6. Eau Claire was outrebounded offensively 11-8 but dominated the defensive boards 34-13 in large part because WHITEWATER had 64 shot attempts to 40 for the BluGolds. The BluGolds also shot a better percentage 55% to just 34.4% giving the WARHAWK rebounders fewer opportunities.
7. Sarah Bingea has played pretty well the two times I've seen her. She led Eau Claire with 20 points and had 8 rebounds.
1. Kelsey Hendrickson is playing as well as anyone in the league has all year right now. She's put the WARHAWKS on her back. She was the offense in the first half scoring 20 of the team's 37 points and finishes the night with 30 points, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 4 steals.
2. Sarah Moran played her heart out. The senior reserve really stepped up finishing with a career high (I think) 14 points, 2 assists and 4 steals.
3. Chantel Burg didn't shoot well but had 5 rebounds and 6 steals. Several of which came when the BluGolds were attempting to feed Mesick in the post.
4. Turnovers absolutely killed the BluGolds. 28 turnovers on the game, 18 of which were steals by WARHAWK defenders.
5. Mesick had a nice first half (10 points, 6 defensive rebounds) but wasn't that much of a factor in the second one (5 points, 4 defensive rebounds). She didn't have an offensive rebound all night and turned the ball over a team high 5 times.
6. Eau Claire was outrebounded offensively 11-8 but dominated the defensive boards 34-13 in large part because WHITEWATER had 64 shot attempts to 40 for the BluGolds. The BluGolds also shot a better percentage 55% to just 34.4% giving the WARHAWK rebounders fewer opportunities.
7. Sarah Bingea has played pretty well the two times I've seen her. She led Eau Claire with 20 points and had 8 rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2010, 01:10:26 PM
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2010, 01:10:26 PM
I'm routing for WW. Love their seniors. They have had a great four years - Pesky defenders they are.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2010, 02:09:44 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2010, 02:09:44 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 26, 2010, 01:10:26 PM
I'm routing for WW. Love their seniors. They have had a great four years - Pesky defenders they are.
You can rout for Whitewater all you want, but I'm going to root for UWSP in a rout. ;)
(Disclaimer: Just a play on words, folks. Not expecting a rout either way.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on February 27, 2010, 11:22:15 AM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on February 27, 2010, 11:22:15 AM
Big Showdown Today In WW - the WIAC doesn't get much better than this! The feeling of March Madness starts NOW!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2010, 05:53:39 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2010, 05:53:39 PM
Point wins over UWW, 68-64. UWW was leading at the half, 39-26.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2010, 06:29:53 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2010, 06:29:53 PM
Tough kids ... tough coach ... tough program.
I would argue Whitewater is definitely more talented; but I do believe Point's kids are tougher and you might see Keri admit in the post game.
And here I was told they couldn't beat La Crosse if they played again.
Congrats to the Pointers.
I would argue Whitewater is definitely more talented; but I do believe Point's kids are tougher and you might see Keri admit in the post game.
And here I was told they couldn't beat La Crosse if they played again.
Congrats to the Pointers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 28, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on February 28, 2010, 03:59:37 PM
Great WIAC tournament. Only one real blowout in the five games. The other four were really competitive. Couple things I have noticed.
How different is Stout and WW going to be without their seniors next year? These teams could really struggle next year.
It isn't a stretch that Superior could possibly make a push to get into the top 6 next year.
I think Hirssig is a slam dunk for player of the year. I thought Hendrickson had a chance if WW was able to get both conference and conference tourny titles.
Also be interesting where SP will go. I expect their men to host, so maybe St. Norberts or Carthage. Going to be a tough out for any team. Also, I believe WW is on that bubble. They really got lucky Elmhurst didn't beat IWU yesterday, but also saw at least one team win the AQ in St. Thomas that was most likely not getting in. They are going to be lucky to get in and could end up at IWU.
How different is Stout and WW going to be without their seniors next year? These teams could really struggle next year.
It isn't a stretch that Superior could possibly make a push to get into the top 6 next year.
I think Hirssig is a slam dunk for player of the year. I thought Hendrickson had a chance if WW was able to get both conference and conference tourny titles.
Also be interesting where SP will go. I expect their men to host, so maybe St. Norberts or Carthage. Going to be a tough out for any team. Also, I believe WW is on that bubble. They really got lucky Elmhurst didn't beat IWU yesterday, but also saw at least one team win the AQ in St. Thomas that was most likely not getting in. They are going to be lucky to get in and could end up at IWU.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2010, 06:40:59 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2010, 06:40:59 PM
D3hoops projections have UWW getting a Pool C bid
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2010, 07:10:47 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2010, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on February 28, 2010, 03:59:37 PMHow different is Stout and WW going to be without their seniors next year? These teams could really struggle next year.
Stout's game will look more like it did about a decade ago. They will have to use more speed because they are losing a lot of height. They could struggle, but then they could surprise also. Have to see what recruits and possible transfers end up at Stout.
QuoteIt isn't a stretch that Superior could possibly make a push to get into the top 6 next year.
When I made a comment about Superior getting to .500 in the not too distant future a little over a year ago, many here laughed at me.
Not that I mind being laughed at.... ;D
QuoteI think Hirssig is a slam dunk for player of the year.
I hope your right. Being named the ESPN Academic All American for the whole country is kind of hard to ignore and is a great addition to her WIAC resume. I realize that academics don't come in to play for POTY, but....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2010, 07:42:01 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2010, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2010, 06:40:59 PM
D3hoops projections have UWW getting a Pool C bid
They have UWW in, but they are the 19th of 21 Pool C's to get in. That's not a very comfortable position.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2010, 11:48:12 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2010, 11:48:12 AM
Why even bother with the regular conference season?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 12:47:34 PM
West-Central pairings
*George Fox vs Louisiana Coll
Puget Sound vs Redlands
*UW-Whitewater vs St. Thomas
Carthage vs Northland
Wash U vs Maryville (TN)
*Thomas More vs Fontbonne
*St. Norbert vs Calvin
UW-Stevens Point vs Minnesota-Morris
*Hope vs Dennison
DePauw vs Lakeland
*Ill. Wesleyan vs Franklin
Simpson vs Chicago
Full bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbkb-bracket2010.pdf
*George Fox vs Louisiana Coll
Puget Sound vs Redlands
*UW-Whitewater vs St. Thomas
Carthage vs Northland
Wash U vs Maryville (TN)
*Thomas More vs Fontbonne
*St. Norbert vs Calvin
UW-Stevens Point vs Minnesota-Morris
*Hope vs Dennison
DePauw vs Lakeland
*Ill. Wesleyan vs Franklin
Simpson vs Chicago
Full bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbkb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
Women's bracket posted: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/wbkb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 12:49:25 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 12:49:25 PM
UWW is in and is hosting
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Looking at the pairings for the SNC pod, it would appear to me that UWSP is actually the top seed, but couldn't host because their men have priority to host. I say that because I would think UMM would be a lower seed than Calvin.
Not sure if we'll ever get comfirmation of that.
Actually I would say the same thing about Carthage in the UWW pod. By pairing them with Northland, I would assume Carthage is the top seed but couldn't host because of their men's team.
Not sure if we'll ever get comfirmation of that.
Actually I would say the same thing about Carthage in the UWW pod. By pairing them with Northland, I would assume Carthage is the top seed but couldn't host because of their men's team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:00:11 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Looking at the pairings for the SNC pod, it would appear to me that UWSP is actually the top seed, but couldn't host because their men have priority to host. I say that because I would think UMM would be a lower seed than Calvin.
Not sure if we'll ever get comfirmation of that.
And Carthage may be the highest in the UWW pod. Carthage men is hosting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 01:01:20 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 01:01:20 PM
18 seconds apart on your post and my edit. Nice work!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:09:22 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:09:22 PM
WOW, what a topsy-turvy couple of days for UWW. From thinking that they may not get in ...to hosting a pod.
A lot of luck played into that. Most notably Point and Carthage men hosting. This year the men get priority 1st/2nd round.
A lot of luck played into that. Most notably Point and Carthage men hosting. This year the men get priority 1st/2nd round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 01:10:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 01:10:31 PM
Just like the men's bracket, nice to see Point and Whitewater on opposite sides.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 01:01:20 PM
18 seconds apart on your post and my edit. Nice work!
Well, lets see here,
I beat you by 18 seconds on the Carthage #1 seed post. Slight advantage me
You have a few more posts than me. Slight advantage you.
Even so far.....
However, you have way more karma than me. Thus you get the Pool C bid into the d3hoops forum poster tournament. I stay home. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2010, 01:35:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2010, 01:35:56 PM
Now I'm totally confused. Of course that isn't all that hard to do. Looks like I'll be working the clock come Friday and Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2010, 01:55:22 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 01, 2010, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2010, 01:35:56 PM
Now I'm totally confused. Of course that isn't all that hard to do.
We like it when your confused.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 02:05:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 02:05:31 PM
Buy your ferry tickets.
Lakeland goes over to Holland, Mich. to play DePauw. Host school Hope plays Denison.
Lakeland goes over to Holland, Mich. to play DePauw. Host school Hope plays Denison.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 11:12:32 PM
Post by: buf on March 01, 2010, 11:12:32 PM
The final regional ranking:
Central Region Record Overall Record
1. Illinois Wesleyan 23-1 26-1
2. Washington U. in St. Louis 20-2 23-2
3. Carthage 19-3 22-4
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 19-6 21-6
5. Chicago 19-6 19-6
6. Wisconsin-Whitewater 19-6 20-7
Central Region Record Overall Record
1. Illinois Wesleyan 23-1 26-1
2. Washington U. in St. Louis 20-2 23-2
3. Carthage 19-3 22-4
4. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 19-6 21-6
5. Chicago 19-6 19-6
6. Wisconsin-Whitewater 19-6 20-7
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2010, 11:12:29 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2010, 11:12:29 AM
Congrats to Julia Hirssig for being one of 12 Jostens' DIII Player of the Year finalists.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2010, 11:12:29 AM
Congrats to Julia Hirssig for being one of 12 Jostens' DIII Player of the Year finalists.
ESPN Academic All American of the Year
Finalist for Jostens' DIII Player of the Year
I think there is a slight chance that a repeat winner for the 2009/2010 WIAC POY is on the horizon... ;) ;D 8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2010, 01:57:15 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2010, 01:57:15 PM
??
UWL's Mackenzie Hunter was the WIAC POY in 2008-09...
UWL's Mackenzie Hunter was the WIAC POY in 2008-09...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 02, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Post by: voice on March 02, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Hello again everybody - Voice Pattison here - announcing that I have debuted a new blog that ncludes stories, photos, personal thoughts on the Warhawk men's and women's basketball teams as they begin their 2010 NCAA Division III tournament runs on Friday. It also allows Blog readers to comment on each story.
The Hawk men will be in Wooster Ohio for opening weekend action. Whitewater's women will be hosting first and second round action at Kachel Gymnasium. I'll be on the road with Shane Sparks broadcasting from Wooster. Gary Douglas will be staying in Whitewater to broadcast Warhawk women's tournament action. Radio Ron will produce the broadcasts from deep inside the KOOL 106.5/WFAW/WSJY studio complex.
I've been broadcasting Warhawk men's and women's basketball for the past 24 years and there is nothing better than the adrenine rush of "tournament time."
To access the Website click onto http://voiceeyeonwarhawkhoops.blogspot.com/
Go Hawks!!
The Hawk men will be in Wooster Ohio for opening weekend action. Whitewater's women will be hosting first and second round action at Kachel Gymnasium. I'll be on the road with Shane Sparks broadcasting from Wooster. Gary Douglas will be staying in Whitewater to broadcast Warhawk women's tournament action. Radio Ron will produce the broadcasts from deep inside the KOOL 106.5/WFAW/WSJY studio complex.
I've been broadcasting Warhawk men's and women's basketball for the past 24 years and there is nothing better than the adrenine rush of "tournament time."
To access the Website click onto http://voiceeyeonwarhawkhoops.blogspot.com/
Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2010, 05:45:04 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 02, 2010, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 02, 2010, 01:57:15 PM
??
UWL's Mackenzie Hunter was the WIAC POY in 2008-09...
Brain fart on my part, I must've been thinking about Kelsey Duoss... :-[
Well, it could be a Stout player for the 3rd time in 4 years... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2010, 07:03:48 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 02, 2010, 07:03:48 PM
You're slipping, Champ. ;)
Second time in four years - a Blugold, Michelle Burns, was the WIAC POY in 2007-08... But I'll forgive that oversight... ;)
Nevertheless, it will be three of the last five for Stout; Duoss, was, indeed POY in 2005-06, and 2006-07...
Second time in four years - a Blugold, Michelle Burns, was the WIAC POY in 2007-08... But I'll forgive that oversight... ;)
Nevertheless, it will be three of the last five for Stout; Duoss, was, indeed POY in 2005-06, and 2006-07...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2010, 07:12:18 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2010, 07:12:18 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on March 02, 2010, 07:03:48 PM
You're slipping, Champ. ;)
It's he!! getting old... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2010, 10:56:43 AM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2010, 10:56:43 AM
BW-
Do you know if the UWW women's games are being video streamed this weekend via Penn Atlantic? I don't see the games listed on their schedule. However, I know they did the UWW football games, including the playoffs, the last few years.
Just trying to plan for this weekend!
Do you know if the UWW women's games are being video streamed this weekend via Penn Atlantic? I don't see the games listed on their schedule. However, I know they did the UWW football games, including the playoffs, the last few years.
Just trying to plan for this weekend!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 11:49:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 11:49:14 AM
Yes the women are going to be streamed and the men will be streamed on the Defiance website.
For the third year in a row I'll make my pitch for Keri Carollo as the WIAC Coach of the Year. She won the sixteen game war outright despite having to make significant adjustments when Thompson was lost for the season. I've been disappointed these past couple of years when she didn't get it and if she doesn't this year I honestly don't know what she'd have to do to get the honor.
For the third year in a row I'll make my pitch for Keri Carollo as the WIAC Coach of the Year. She won the sixteen game war outright despite having to make significant adjustments when Thompson was lost for the season. I've been disappointed these past couple of years when she didn't get it and if she doesn't this year I honestly don't know what she'd have to do to get the honor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on March 04, 2010, 12:20:36 PM
Post by: UWRF on March 04, 2010, 12:20:36 PM
2009-10 All-WIAC Women's Basketball Team
First Team
Nicole Bundy, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, 5-9, Fredonia (Ozaukee)
Dana Churchill, La Crosse, Junior, Forward, 6-0, Sheboygan (North)
Andrea Flease, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, 5-5, New London
Tiffany Gregorich, River Falls, Sophomore, Guard, 5-5, Altoona
Kelsey Hendrickson, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, 5-7, Monroe
Julia Hirssig, Stout, Senior, Forward, 5-11, Rochester, Minn. (Mayo)
Hannah Mesick, Eau Claire, Junior, Center, 6-2, Chatfield, Minn.
Stacia Nemitz, Platteville, Senior, Forward, 5-9, Bloomington (River Ridge)
Britta Petersen, Stevens Point, Junior, Forward, 5-11, Luck
Kim Stokke, Stout, Senior, Guard, 5-9, Menomonie
Honorable Mention
Cassie Bandow, Stevens Point, Sophomore, Guard, 5-11, Plover (Pacelli)
Danielle DeWitt, Stout, Senior, Guard/Forward, 5-11, Green Bay (Bay Port)
Maranda Dohrn, River Falls, Sophomore, Forward, 6-0, Lake City, Minn.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Junior, Center, 6-4, Caledonia, Minn.
Hailey Hart, Superior, Sophomore, Forward, 5-9, Osseo
Megan Maslowski, Stout, Senior, Forward, 5-11, Marshfield
Ellen Plendl, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Center, 6-5, Chippewa Falls (McDonell)
Charity Stotmeister, Platteville, Senior, Forward, 5-7, Cuba City (Potosi)
Connie Urmanski, Superior, Freshman, Guard, 5-4, Edgar
First Team
Nicole Bundy, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, 5-9, Fredonia (Ozaukee)
Dana Churchill, La Crosse, Junior, Forward, 6-0, Sheboygan (North)
Andrea Flease, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, 5-5, New London
Tiffany Gregorich, River Falls, Sophomore, Guard, 5-5, Altoona
Kelsey Hendrickson, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, 5-7, Monroe
Julia Hirssig, Stout, Senior, Forward, 5-11, Rochester, Minn. (Mayo)
Hannah Mesick, Eau Claire, Junior, Center, 6-2, Chatfield, Minn.
Stacia Nemitz, Platteville, Senior, Forward, 5-9, Bloomington (River Ridge)
Britta Petersen, Stevens Point, Junior, Forward, 5-11, Luck
Kim Stokke, Stout, Senior, Guard, 5-9, Menomonie
Honorable Mention
Cassie Bandow, Stevens Point, Sophomore, Guard, 5-11, Plover (Pacelli)
Danielle DeWitt, Stout, Senior, Guard/Forward, 5-11, Green Bay (Bay Port)
Maranda Dohrn, River Falls, Sophomore, Forward, 6-0, Lake City, Minn.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Junior, Center, 6-4, Caledonia, Minn.
Hailey Hart, Superior, Sophomore, Forward, 5-9, Osseo
Megan Maslowski, Stout, Senior, Forward, 5-11, Marshfield
Ellen Plendl, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Center, 6-5, Chippewa Falls (McDonell)
Charity Stotmeister, Platteville, Senior, Forward, 5-7, Cuba City (Potosi)
Connie Urmanski, Superior, Freshman, Guard, 5-4, Edgar
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 12:45:05 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 12:45:05 PM
Finally! I guess the third time is a charm.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2010, 02:19:44 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 04, 2010, 02:19:44 PM
Hirssig does get WIAC POY!
Also:
A while back, when PRF2009A was in a rant about a certain "great player" and how "she played defense too", I made a post that I didn't see his pet player making the All-Defensive Team.
In my post I projected Hirssig and Frank as locks for All-Defense.
I stated Stokke from Stout might make it - and I was wrong.
I stated that WW's Hendrickson should make it and she did.
I said at the time that Messick might have a chance, but I didn't think she would - and I was right.
Congratulations to Flease and Gregorich for making the All-D Team!
Also:
QuoteNamed to the All-Defensive Team were:
UW-La Crosse's Danielle Frank, UW-River Falls' Tiffany Gregorich, UW-Stevens Point's Andrea Flease, UW-Stout's Julia Hirssig and UW-Whitewater's Kelsey Hendrickson. Hirssig received the honor for the third straight year.
A while back, when PRF2009A was in a rant about a certain "great player" and how "she played defense too", I made a post that I didn't see his pet player making the All-Defensive Team.
In my post I projected Hirssig and Frank as locks for All-Defense.
I stated Stokke from Stout might make it - and I was wrong.
I stated that WW's Hendrickson should make it and she did.
I said at the time that Messick might have a chance, but I didn't think she would - and I was right.
Congratulations to Flease and Gregorich for making the All-D Team!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 03:28:58 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 03:28:58 PM
Hendrickson has 102 steals this season. Flease is next with 69. Hendrickson's total gives her 239 during her three year WARHAWK career. Thrisa Thill owns the WARHAWK program record and is second all-time in the WIAC with 269. I have little doubt Hendrickson would have surpassed that had she played four years in the program.
The WIAC steal record is held by Steven Points' Amanda Nechuta with an even 300.
The WIAC steal record is held by Steven Points' Amanda Nechuta with an even 300.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 04, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 04, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2010, 03:28:58 PM
Hendrickson has 102 steals this season. Flease is next with 69. Hendrickson's total gives her 239 during her three year WARHAWK career. Thrisa Thill owns the WARHAWK program record and is second all-time in the WIAC with 269. I have little doubt Hendrickson would have surpassed that had she played four years in the program.
The WIAC steal record is held by Steven Points' Amanda Nechuta with an even 300.
Thill is actually 6th all-time in WIAC steals and Nechuta is 2nd. Sue Christiansen of Eau Claire (1986-90) is first with 307.
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/wiaccrer.htm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
Here's where I got my information, JB.
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/career/carldrs.htm
FWIW, the three finalists for POY were Julia Hirssig, Kelsey Hendrickson and Britta Petersen
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/career/carldrs.htm
FWIW, the three finalists for POY were Julia Hirssig, Kelsey Hendrickson and Britta Petersen
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 09:53:42 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2010, 09:52:31 AM
Here's where I got my information, JB.
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/career/carldrs.htm
You'll notice the top of that page says "2000-08 seasons"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2010, 12:02:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2010, 12:02:07 PM
Oops. I missed that. Thanks for the correction. It's too bad Hendrickson didn't have four years. She possibly could have held the record.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Point got off to a 15-6 lead, but Morris has stormed back to take a 27-23 lead half way through the 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Point takes a 42-39 lead at the half over Morris
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 07:41:30 PM
Pointers finding their groove. UWSP up 61-46 with 11:15 to go. Peterson 9-10 from the field amd has 21 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 08:06:46 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 08:06:46 PM
Pointers knock off UM-Morris 86-64. Point outscores Morris 44-25 in the second half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 08:23:26 PM
Post by: buf on March 05, 2010, 08:23:26 PM
Peterson with 23pts on 10-11 shooting for Point
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 09:44:46 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 09:44:46 PM
Whitewater women in a shootout with UST. 41-39 Warhawks at half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 10:35:07 PM
UWW beats St. Thomas 91-73. Should be a great tomorrow night between UWW and Carthage.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2010, 06:04:06 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2010, 06:04:06 PM
Got the live video of SNC-UWSP up. Where's the crowd Norbert fans? You can't all be in Stevens Point for the men's game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2010, 06:17:55 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2010, 06:17:55 PM
UWSP 19-13, 9:07 1st
Bandow with back to back 3's to make it 27-17 with 4:42 to go, 1st
Halftime: UWSP 31-20. Bandow with 10. Flease with 8. Averkamp 7. SNC's Heuser, the MWC player of the year, doesn't have a point.
Bandow with back to back 3's to make it 27-17 with 4:42 to go, 1st
Halftime: UWSP 31-20. Bandow with 10. Flease with 8. Averkamp 7. SNC's Heuser, the MWC player of the year, doesn't have a point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 06:35:56 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 06:35:56 PM
Point up 11 at the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
UWSP 45-32 with 13:18 to go. UWSP had it up to 18 at one point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Point wins 71-58. Congrats
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 08:50:41 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 08:50:41 PM
Carthage leads UWW at the half, 35-32
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Carthage pulling away from UWW, 54-41, 11min
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 09:52:35 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2010, 09:52:35 PM
UWW falls to Carthage, 79-74. They got it down to 2 with a minute left but couldn't quite make the comeback.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on March 07, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
Post by: Bears rule on March 07, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
I think the WIAC had a good weekend. Congrats to Stevens Point and good luck next weekend. Whitewater you had a great year.
I would say the battles of the WIAC regular season prepared these teams well for the NCAA tournament.
I would say the battles of the WIAC regular season prepared these teams well for the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 08, 2010, 11:06:53 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 08, 2010, 11:06:53 PM
Isn't basketball funny...not even two weeks ago SP is left for dead, and then after winning the WIAC and two games in the NCAA tournament, they are no doubt the best in the league this year, least in my mind.
Funny how fast things can change.
Funny how fast things can change.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2010, 09:22:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2010, 09:22:35 AM
Who left them for dead?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 09, 2010, 09:49:06 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 09, 2010, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 21, 2010, 09:49:07 AM
Lax dominated Point yesterday. That's about all there is to say about that. Point's coach is rightfully worried about her team's play heading into the playoffs and she made sure the whole gym knew it after the game.
I definitely said they should be worried at the time. They did not show up that day and Point's coach knew they needed to change their mindset asap. She screamed at the team for about 5 minutes after the game in front of everyone that was in the gym that day. I had never seen a coach go off like that in front of the public. One thing is for sure, she got her point across and the team responded. Hopefully they can keep it up!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 09, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 09, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2010, 09:22:35 AM
Who left them for dead?
Left for dead might be strong, but I don't recall any poster here who picked them to win the WIAC Tournament. Most even had them going out in the semifinals. Few coaches' teams rebound better from a bad loss than Shirley Egner's teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirssig, the 2010 Jostens Trophy winner.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Open job in the WIAC:
http://host.madison.com/sports/amateur/article_fe61798e-2c8a-11df-9c02-001cc4c03286.html
Put your name in hoop_junkie. Put up or shut up.
http://host.madison.com/sports/amateur/article_fe61798e-2c8a-11df-9c02-001cc4c03286.html
Put your name in hoop_junkie. Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2010, 06:43:02 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2010, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirssig, the 2010 Jostens Trophy winner.
I'll second that! We all knew she was the best player in the WIAC and it's neat to know that a national committee felt she was the best player in the nation. What an incredible finish to great collegiate career.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2010, 10:31:43 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2010, 10:31:43 PM
Hold on, this award does not mean she is the best player in the nation. This award looks at athletic accomplishments, grades, and community involvement. That being said, I think this award is much sweeter than the national player of the year as this deals with character and shows what kind of person she is off the court. The grades and community involvement will help her in the future much more than the athletic ability. Much deserved award. Congrats to her!
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2010, 06:43:02 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirssig, the 2010 Jostens Trophy winner.
I'll second that! We all knew she was the best player in the WIAC and it's neat to know that a national committee felt she was the best player in the nation. What an incredible finish to great collegiate career.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 11, 2010, 05:25:55 AM
Post by: stoutguy on March 11, 2010, 05:25:55 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 10, 2010, 10:31:43 PM
Hold on, this award does not mean she is the best player in the nation. This award looks at athletic accomplishments, grades, and community involvement. That being said, I think this award is much sweeter than the national player of the year as this deals with character and shows what kind of person she is off the court. The grades and community involvement will help her in the future much more than the athletic ability. Much deserved award. Congrats to her!Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2010, 06:43:02 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirssig, the 2010 Jostens Trophy winner.
I'll second that! We all knew she was the best player in the WIAC and it's neat to know that a national committee felt she was the best player in the nation. What an incredible finish to great collegiate career.
I have had the pleasure of interviewing her, riding on the bus with her, watching her interact with her teammates, opponents, and coaching staff, and meeting and talking to her family. Forget about the fact that she has accomplished more on the court than any player I have ever watched, she is the finest person I have ever watched play the game of basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2010, 08:54:45 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2010, 08:54:45 AM
Coach T called me yesterday to let me know that Julia won. The two of them will be headed out to Salem next week for the award presentation. I hope that Julia can lift the darn thing (just kidding) as it weighs about 62 pounds according to T... :o
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnorthernac.org%2Fweb_images%2Fother_logos%2Fjostens_trophy.jpg&hash=9a33470d69536bf53b6c8f8448b257093c33b8d2)
I've watched and cheered for her for five years and am proud to say that I know her.
As stoutguy posted, she is a great person - even if she had never played basketball!
from the official announcement:
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I've watched and cheered for her for five years and am proud to say that I know her.
As stoutguy posted, she is a great person - even if she had never played basketball!
from the official announcement:
QuoteHirssig Finishes Impressive Athletic and Academic Career
"[Julia's] accomplishments are many and impressive, but it is her drive and commitment to raise the standards of her teammates and fellow students that is most impressive. Julia's ability to balance both her academics and athletic goals has been a real lesson to me and our program. She has laid down a blueprint for our program that will be a part of UW-Stout Women's Basketball forever," said Head Women's Basketball Coach, Mark Thomas.
UW-Stout senior forward, Hirssig, a native of Rochester, Minn., has just wrapped up an impressive career. A three-year starter, Hirssig owns the school scoring record with 1,738 points. She has started 79 consecutive games and has played in all 108 games since her freshman year. A pre-season All-America pick, Hirssig led the league in scoring and rebounding this year. She dropped in 21.4 points per game and grabbed 10.6 rebounds per outing. Hirssig also ranked first in NCAA Division III with a .682 (217-318) field goal percentage.
Over her four years, Hirssig has collected several athletic awards. She is a two-time First Team All-WIAC member and was named the 2010 All-WIAC Player of the Year. Additionally, Hirssig was tabbed the WIAC Player of the Week two times this season. She collected 14 double doubles, scored in double digits in 26 of 27 games, scored more than 20 points in 20 games and more than 30 points in three games.
In addition to her athletic accomplishments, the Hotel, Restaurant & Tourism Management major boosts a 3.959 grade point average in the classroom and has just as many academic honors. Hirssig is a two-time First Team ESPN The Magazine Academic All-America® pick as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA). Additionally, she has earned the Chancellor's Award for Academic Excellence seven times.
Hirssig is also a prominent figure within the community. She volunteers at two different elementary schools and at the Salvation Army. On campus, Hirssig serves as a student housing resident assistant and as a Quantity Foods Production lab assistant. She also works with the Blue Devil Buddies program and is a UW-Stout Career services volunteer.
Jostens Trophy Celebrates 13th Anniversary
The Josten's Trophy is a joint creation of Jostens, Inc., of Minneapolis, Minn., and the Rotary Club of Salem, Va. The purpose of the award is to honor the true Division III student-athlete - the athlete that shows excellence in the classroom, on the playing floor and in the community. In addition to the Trophy, the Wooldridge Scholarship, a $1,000 donation, will be presented in the name of the winner to his/her institution. The scholarship was named after Dan Wooldridge, a Salem Rotarian and retired Commissioner of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference, as a way of honoring him for his long-time dedication to Division III athletics.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2010, 09:29:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2010, 09:29:13 AM
My bad, I thought the Josten's award was considered the DIII Player of the Year but I see now that it's a little bit different.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2010, 11:16:38 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 11, 2010, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2010, 09:29:13 AM
My bad, I thought the Josten's award was considered the DIII Player of the Year but I see now that it's a little bit different.
We'll forgive you, BW...
As punishment, you can hand carry that award all the way back from Virginia... ;D
Have a nice walk!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2010, 01:46:51 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2010, 01:46:51 PM
It definitely is a beast. I almost dropped it when I was able to get my hands on it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on March 11, 2010, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: gordonmann on March 11, 2010, 08:25:56 PM
We'll be working with the NCAA on its video broadcast of Friday and Saturday's games at Illinois Wesleyan. You can find those broadcasts here:
http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=ncaa
If you see a pale, skinny, balding guy, feel free to come up and say hello. If it's me, I'll say hello back. :)
http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=ncaa
If you see a pale, skinny, balding guy, feel free to come up and say hello. If it's me, I'll say hello back. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 11, 2010, 09:46:39 PM
Post by: JMM on March 11, 2010, 09:46:39 PM
So is there any doubt how good Hirssig is. The best. Thrilled for this wonderful person. Hooray Julia.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 12, 2010, 10:09:17 PM
Post by: buf on March 12, 2010, 10:09:17 PM
Point wins, 77-76 over IWU
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 12, 2010, 10:11:19 PM
Post by: JMM on March 12, 2010, 10:11:19 PM
POINT POINT POINT HOORAY POINT GGGGGOOOOOOO WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 12, 2010, 10:13:27 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 12, 2010, 10:13:27 PM
Congratulations to Stevens Point--very well played game. I thought this team was scary back in November and they've gotten better! Good luck down the stretch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 12, 2010, 10:17:18 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 12, 2010, 10:17:18 PM
Point was down as many as 11 in the second half. Petersen fouled out with 4 minutes to go. Had a 9-0 run to go ahead by 5 at 69-64, but IWU answered with a 6-0 run and the team's traded buckets the rest of the way. IWU had bonus throws leading 76-75 with 16 seconds to go but missed the front end. Point drew up a play for Flease. She took a free throw line jumper with about 5 seconds left. It hit back iron and Averkamp fought off IWU's Solari for the board. She put it back in off the glass with 2.6 seconds to go for a 77-76 lead. IWU could only get a halfcourt shot which wasn't close. Averkamp finishes with 20 points, Bandow 18, Flease 17, Petersen 14.
Point plays Hope for a Final Four berth tomorrow night!
Point plays Hope for a Final Four berth tomorrow night!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on March 12, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Post by: ChicagoHopeNut on March 12, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Hope will need to play a much better game than they did tonight if they plan on winning tomorrow.
IWU-UWSP was a really good game. Two strong teams.
IWU-UWSP was a really good game. Two strong teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2010, 12:52:08 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2010, 12:52:08 AM
I demand soccer rules! IWU won the two-game series this year, 160-157 - shouldn't we be facing Hope tomorrow?! :D
Congratulations to UWSP.
Here's hoping our men can at least earn a split on the tourney games - getting knocked out of both tourneys by the same school would really suck! :o
Congratulations to UWSP.
Here's hoping our men can at least earn a split on the tourney games - getting knocked out of both tourneys by the same school would really suck! :o
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2010, 02:51:26 AM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2010, 02:51:26 AM
Soccer rules would be home and away. Point played away and away! Point wins! ::) ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 13, 2010, 08:09:55 AM
Post by: stoutguy on March 13, 2010, 08:09:55 AM
Way to go, Shirley. Hope you didn't have to leave the gym late during all that excitement to find your rulebook :) (inside joke) Go Pointers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RogK on March 13, 2010, 11:22:20 AM
Post by: RogK on March 13, 2010, 11:22:20 AM
Congratulations to UW-SP! You beat a superb team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on March 13, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on March 13, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Tina Kuhle out as Head Coach at Platteville...http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0910/3-10kuhle.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 13, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 13, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 10, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Open job in the WIAC:
http://host.madison.com/sports/amateur/article_fe61798e-2c8a-11df-9c02-001cc4c03286.html
Put your name in hoop_junkie. Put up or shut up.
Quote from: hoop_junkie on March 13, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
Tina Kuhle out as Head Coach at Platteville...http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/0910/3-10kuhle.html
Word is you are applying. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 13, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Post by: buf on March 13, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
Hope defeats Point, 71-65. Good season and tournament run for Point. They should be pretty good next year as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
Well now that the season is officially over the WIAC WBB teams, how do people think it is going to shake out next year? Here are my predictions.
1. SP
2. LC
3. RF
4. EC
5. Stout
6.WW
7. Oshkosh
8. Superior
9. Platteville
I feel pretty good on my top three based on this years results, but after that it could really go anywhere. EC, Stout, and WW should all be battling for 4-6 based on talent alone, but Oshkosh and maybe even an improved Superior could be in there. I don't see much hope for Platteville. This was their year to crack the conference tournament, and couldn't deliver.
1. SP
2. LC
3. RF
4. EC
5. Stout
6.WW
7. Oshkosh
8. Superior
9. Platteville
I feel pretty good on my top three based on this years results, but after that it could really go anywhere. EC, Stout, and WW should all be battling for 4-6 based on talent alone, but Oshkosh and maybe even an improved Superior could be in there. I don't see much hope for Platteville. This was their year to crack the conference tournament, and couldn't deliver.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 15, 2010, 11:54:24 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 15, 2010, 11:54:24 AM
Assuming Dana Thompson comes back on a medical redshirt, there's no way WW slips five spots. Even without her I wouldn't put them that far down.
I can't pick LC as high as #2 until they actually prove they can get that high on the court.
I guess it's not fair to offer opinions on someone else's picks without sticking out my own neck, so I'll go:
1. SP
2. EC
3. WW
4. Stout
5. RF
6. LC
7. OSH
8. SUP
9. PLT
2, 3, 4 is a coin flip. So is 5 and 6.
I can't pick LC as high as #2 until they actually prove they can get that high on the court.
I guess it's not fair to offer opinions on someone else's picks without sticking out my own neck, so I'll go:
1. SP
2. EC
3. WW
4. Stout
5. RF
6. LC
7. OSH
8. SUP
9. PLT
2, 3, 4 is a coin flip. So is 5 and 6.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 12:04:13 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 12:04:13 PM
I can't see LC dropping 3 spots with no seniors on their roster this year. Assuming they work hard this summer, they are going to contend with SP for the league title. They were the hottest team coming into the league tournament until they ran into their worst match-up.
I just see WW dropping because their top four guards are all going to be gone. That is a lot of production missing. They are going to have solid posts in Kumarow and Burg, and Thompson if she comes back, but who's going to get them the ball. We saw Stout struggle at times this year with great posts and questionable guard play, and lets be honest, those three combined are not as talented as Hirrsig. I just see a down year for WW.
I just see WW dropping because their top four guards are all going to be gone. That is a lot of production missing. They are going to have solid posts in Kumarow and Burg, and Thompson if she comes back, but who's going to get them the ball. We saw Stout struggle at times this year with great posts and questionable guard play, and lets be honest, those three combined are not as talented as Hirrsig. I just see a down year for WW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
Thompson will be back next year. You can book it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 15, 2010, 12:39:21 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 15, 2010, 12:39:21 PM
If I had a nickel for everytime we thought next year HAS to be La Crosse's year, I'd retire. Until they actually get it done, I can't buy it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
Hahahaha, great quote!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
Here are my predictions:
1. LX- Great Team coming back. No seniors, Lang and Frank are ready for big years. How was Lang not even honorable mention all conference? I am sure Stout would have voted for her.
2. EC- Post play should still be excellant, and Olson is coming along. Along with other swing player.
3. WW- I am sure the reigning Coach of the Year has something up her sleeve. Just won't be a WIAC conference tournament title.
4. SP- Needs to beat Stout at home and find out how to win at LX and EC.
5. River Falls- Great Guard play.
6. Stout- Heard they have great transfers and high schoolers coming in, but hard to see them contending without Hirrsig.
7. Oshkosh- Everyones Back, they just weren't that good this year.
8. Superior- Making a push to get out of the cellar.
9. Platteville- Losing a good senior class, and now looking for a new coach.
1. LX- Great Team coming back. No seniors, Lang and Frank are ready for big years. How was Lang not even honorable mention all conference? I am sure Stout would have voted for her.
2. EC- Post play should still be excellant, and Olson is coming along. Along with other swing player.
3. WW- I am sure the reigning Coach of the Year has something up her sleeve. Just won't be a WIAC conference tournament title.
4. SP- Needs to beat Stout at home and find out how to win at LX and EC.
5. River Falls- Great Guard play.
6. Stout- Heard they have great transfers and high schoolers coming in, but hard to see them contending without Hirrsig.
7. Oshkosh- Everyones Back, they just weren't that good this year.
8. Superior- Making a push to get out of the cellar.
9. Platteville- Losing a good senior class, and now looking for a new coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2010, 04:00:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2010, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
1. LX- Great Team coming back. No seniors, Lang and Frank are ready for big years. How was Lang not even honorable mention all conference? I am sure Stout would have voted for her.
If they do it the same way the men do the top 10 (including ties) are the all conference team and any player who receives even a single vote is honorable mention. If that is the procedure and Lang wasn't honorable mention it means no coach voted for her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 15, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 15, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
1. LX- Great Team coming back. No seniors, Lang and Frank are ready for big years. How was Lang not even honorable mention all conference? I am sure Stout would have voted for her.
If we look at both UWL/Stout games, you might see why she didn't get recognized - IMO:
1st game at UWL - Lang's line: 0 of 6 from the floor, 0 of 3 from beyond the arc, 1 of 2 from the FT line, 3 rebounds, 1 point, 4 TO's and 1 steal. A total non factor in this game.
2nd game at Stout - Lang's line: 10 of 18 from the line, 4 of 8 from beyond the arc, 3 of 3 from the FT line, 7 rebounds, 27 points, 4 TO's and 3 steals. Career best, and I posted that she was personally responsible for taking that game from Stout.
Inconsistency was her problem.
I even commented after the Plattevile game right after LaCrosse defeated Stout how I wish Lang had had her typical night against us - which is pretty much what she did at Platteville - 4 of 12 from the floor, 0 for 5 from beyond the arc, 1 of 4 from the FT line, 8 rebounds 9 points and 2 TO's.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on March 15, 2010, 07:06:25 PM
Post by: Bears rule on March 15, 2010, 07:06:25 PM
I think any prediction next year must start with SP on top. Lost one Senior who played under 15 minutes per game.
LX lost the least, so they should be tough.
EC lost one Senior
RF- lost three seniors. Top players back
WW- Thonson back makes up for some of the seniors lost
Stout- lost A LOT. Depends who these transfers are.
Superior- lost little
Oshkosh- can she keep returners
Platteville- starting over
Once we know transfers and recuits this can all change
LX lost the least, so they should be tough.
EC lost one Senior
RF- lost three seniors. Top players back
WW- Thonson back makes up for some of the seniors lost
Stout- lost A LOT. Depends who these transfers are.
Superior- lost little
Oshkosh- can she keep returners
Platteville- starting over
Once we know transfers and recuits this can all change
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 08:01:29 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 08:01:29 PM
WW is going to be bad. They have ZERO in the back court! I don't like Kumerow, Burg and Thompson's ability to bring up the ball and feed each other in the post. They are going to get constantly pressed. Only young good guard I saw on that team was 14. That girl is going to be a good player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on March 15, 2010, 09:40:41 PM
Post by: Bears rule on March 15, 2010, 09:40:41 PM
You make it sound like EC one year ago.
When tranfers are done and recruits are named WW will be tough again.
When tranfers are done and recruits are named WW will be tough again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
Well, I think they could be around .500 in the league. 8-8 could very well happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 10:44:47 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 10:44:47 AM
D3Hoops All-Central Region team:
http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/10/centwom.htm
Player of the Year: Julia Hirssig, F, UW-Stout
Coach of the Year: Shirley Egner, UW-Stevens Point
Rookie of the Year: Becky Gifford, G, Aurora
First team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Denise Heuser St. Norbert Sr. Pulaski, Wis.
G Kelsey Hendrickson UW-Whitewater Sr. Monroe, Wis.
F Julia Hirssig UW-Stout Sr. Rochester, Minn.
F Lyndsie Long Elmhurst Sr. Sugar Grove, Ill.
C Christina Solari Illinois Wesleyan Sr. Park Ridge, Ill.
Second team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Marche Smith Concordia (Ill.) Jr. Oak Park, Ill.
G Zoe Unruh Washington U. Sr. San Francisco, Calif.
F Britta Petersen UW-Stevens Point Jr. Luck, Wis.
F KC Blahnik Lakeland Sr. Gladstone, Mich.
C Hannah Mesick UW-Eau Claire Jr. Chatfield, Minn.
Third team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Hope Schulte Illinois Wesleyan Jr. Hillsboro, Ill.
G Andrea Flease UW-Stevens Point Jr. New London, Wis.
F Nicole Bundy UW-Whitewater Sr. Fredonia, Wis.
F Whitney Miller Wisconsin Lutheran Sr. Germantown, Wis.
C Elise Wildman Millikin Jr. Lovington, Ill.
http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/10/centwom.htm
Player of the Year: Julia Hirssig, F, UW-Stout
Coach of the Year: Shirley Egner, UW-Stevens Point
Rookie of the Year: Becky Gifford, G, Aurora
First team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Denise Heuser St. Norbert Sr. Pulaski, Wis.
G Kelsey Hendrickson UW-Whitewater Sr. Monroe, Wis.
F Julia Hirssig UW-Stout Sr. Rochester, Minn.
F Lyndsie Long Elmhurst Sr. Sugar Grove, Ill.
C Christina Solari Illinois Wesleyan Sr. Park Ridge, Ill.
Second team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Marche Smith Concordia (Ill.) Jr. Oak Park, Ill.
G Zoe Unruh Washington U. Sr. San Francisco, Calif.
F Britta Petersen UW-Stevens Point Jr. Luck, Wis.
F KC Blahnik Lakeland Sr. Gladstone, Mich.
C Hannah Mesick UW-Eau Claire Jr. Chatfield, Minn.
Third team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Hope Schulte Illinois Wesleyan Jr. Hillsboro, Ill.
G Andrea Flease UW-Stevens Point Jr. New London, Wis.
F Nicole Bundy UW-Whitewater Sr. Fredonia, Wis.
F Whitney Miller Wisconsin Lutheran Sr. Germantown, Wis.
C Elise Wildman Millikin Jr. Lovington, Ill.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2010, 11:25:36 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2010, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 15, 2010, 08:01:29 PM
WW is going to be bad. They have ZERO in the back court! I don't like Kumerow, Burg and Thompson's ability to bring up the ball and feed each other in the post. They are going to get constantly pressed. Only young good guard I saw on that team was 14. That girl is going to be a good player.
Thank God for your user name. :D
#14 would be Megan Theune a sophomore and Whitewater HS graduate. She has potential. We will constantly press as well. Replacing the backcourt is a tall order however it is easier to replace guards than it is post players. I'll wait and see who we recruit and/or transfers before writing the team off.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Call me crazy, but I would rather have Flease than Hendrickson. Just comparing the stat lines from head to head this year.
Dec 10, 76-71 WW Win
Hendrickson 21 pts, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 7 steals
Flease 12 pts, 0 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals
Jan 27, 68-51 SP Win
Flease 24 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Hendrickson 7 pts, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
February 27, 68-64 SP Win
Flease 6 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
Hendrickson 0 pts, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
This is just for arguments sake, but I would say Flease outplayed Hendrickson in these match-ups. Both are really good players who had really good seasons.
Also, when I say WW is going to be bad, I am saying they are going to be bad compared to their past years. I am seeing an 8-8 season, not bad for other teams, but bad for a top three program in this league. It might be easier to get good guards, but I think it is still a challenge to get a couple good ones in one recruiting class and make up for the production that Hendrickson, Sontag, Bundy and Moran had this past year.
Dec 10, 76-71 WW Win
Hendrickson 21 pts, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 7 steals
Flease 12 pts, 0 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals
Jan 27, 68-51 SP Win
Flease 24 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Hendrickson 7 pts, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
February 27, 68-64 SP Win
Flease 6 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
Hendrickson 0 pts, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
This is just for arguments sake, but I would say Flease outplayed Hendrickson in these match-ups. Both are really good players who had really good seasons.
Also, when I say WW is going to be bad, I am saying they are going to be bad compared to their past years. I am seeing an 8-8 season, not bad for other teams, but bad for a top three program in this league. It might be easier to get good guards, but I think it is still a challenge to get a couple good ones in one recruiting class and make up for the production that Hendrickson, Sontag, Bundy and Moran had this past year.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 10:44:47 AM
D3Hoops All-Central Region team:
http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/10/centwom.htm
Player of the Year: Julia Hirssig, F, UW-Stout
Coach of the Year: Shirley Egner, UW-Stevens Point
Rookie of the Year: Becky Gifford, G, Aurora
First team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Denise Heuser St. Norbert Sr. Pulaski, Wis.
G Kelsey Hendrickson UW-Whitewater Sr. Monroe, Wis.
F Julia Hirssig UW-Stout Sr. Rochester, Minn.
F Lyndsie Long Elmhurst Sr. Sugar Grove, Ill.
C Christina Solari Illinois Wesleyan Sr. Park Ridge, Ill.
Second team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Marche Smith Concordia (Ill.) Jr. Oak Park, Ill.
G Zoe Unruh Washington U. Sr. San Francisco, Calif.
F Britta Petersen UW-Stevens Point Jr. Luck, Wis.
F KC Blahnik Lakeland Sr. Gladstone, Mich.
C Hannah Mesick UW-Eau Claire Jr. Chatfield, Minn.
Third team
Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Hope Schulte Illinois Wesleyan Jr. Hillsboro, Ill.
G Andrea Flease UW-Stevens Point Jr. New London, Wis.
F Nicole Bundy UW-Whitewater Sr. Fredonia, Wis.
F Whitney Miller Wisconsin Lutheran Sr. Germantown, Wis.
C Elise Wildman Millikin Jr. Lovington, Ill.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2010, 12:36:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2010, 12:36:01 PM
Ok, you are not only usually wrong you are also crazy! ;)
Making the decision based on three games out of thirty seems a bit shortsighted but to each their own. Comparing them on a season basis is a mixed bag. In some categories Hendrickson was better, in some others it was Flease. Both had solid seasons and both were important components in their respective team's success. It is worth noting that both the WIAC coaches whom had Hendrickson as a finalist for the conference player of the year and the d3hoops.com committee who selected the All-Region team put Hendrickson in front of Flease. However I suspect if you asked Enger if she would have liked having Hendrickson on her team and if you asked Carollo if she would have liked having Flease on her's that both would probably answer affirmatively. They're both good players. jmo
Making the decision based on three games out of thirty seems a bit shortsighted but to each their own. Comparing them on a season basis is a mixed bag. In some categories Hendrickson was better, in some others it was Flease. Both had solid seasons and both were important components in their respective team's success. It is worth noting that both the WIAC coaches whom had Hendrickson as a finalist for the conference player of the year and the d3hoops.com committee who selected the All-Region team put Hendrickson in front of Flease. However I suspect if you asked Enger if she would have liked having Hendrickson on her team and if you asked Carollo if she would have liked having Flease on her's that both would probably answer affirmatively. They're both good players. jmo
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PMI'm in JustBill's camp ... until they actually prove it, I could never pick them to win it.
Here are my predictions:
1. LX- Great Team coming back. No seniors, Lang and Frank are ready for big years. How was Lang not even honorable mention all conference? I am sure Stout would have voted for her.
2. EC- Post play should still be excellant, and Olson is coming along. Along with other swing player.
3. WW- I am sure the reigning Coach of the Year has something up her sleeve. Just won't be a WIAC conference tournament title.
4. SP- Needs to beat Stout at home and find out how to win at LX and EC.
5. River Falls- Great Guard play.
6. Stout- Heard they have great transfers and high schoolers coming in, but hard to see them contending without Hirrsig.
7. Oshkosh- Everyones Back, they just weren't that good this year.
8. Superior- Making a push to get out of the cellar.
9. Platteville- Losing a good senior class, and now looking for a new coach.
But by putting Stevens Point 4th I'm not sure I can take any of these picks seriously.
Just trying to figure out your logic?
You pick La Crosse to win the league simply because they have no seniors ... which means moving up two spots and winning games that truly matter ... which La Crosse hasn't really done, EVER.
Yet Point, who was 4 minutes from going to the Final Four, WON the conference tournament, and lost the regular season title on the final day is going to drop two spots even though they lose just one senior who averaged 3 points and 3 rebounds a game?
You lost me
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Call me crazy, but I would rather have Flease than Hendrickson. Just comparing the stat lines from head to head this year.
Dec 10, 76-71 WW Win
Hendrickson 21 pts, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 7 steals
Flease 12 pts, 0 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals
Jan 27, 68-51 SP Win
Flease 24 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Hendrickson 7 pts, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
February 27, 68-64 SP Win
Flease 6 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
Hendrickson 0 pts, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
Let's look at the conference stats for thes same categories:
Points
6. Hendrickson 14.3
11. Flease 11.1
Rebounds
20. Bundy 4.4
Neither Flease nor Hendrickson had enough rebounds to make the list
Assists
1. Flease 4.37
2. Hendrickson 3.79
Steals
1. Hendrickson 3.72
2. Flease 2.60
So Hendrickson wins 2 out 3 categories. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 01:02:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: billys on March 16, 2010, 12:48:50 PMYou pick La Crosse to win the league simply because they have no seniors ... which means moving up two spots and winning games that truly matter ... which La Crosse hasn't really done, EVER.
Yet Point, who was 4 minutes from going to the Final Four, WON the conference tournament, and lost the regular season title on the final day is going to drop two spots even though they lose just one senior who averaged 3 points and 3 rebounds a game?
You lost me
You're not the only one that got lost in the logic... ;D
When a team returns 100% of their squad, with the lone exception of 1 player that only averaged 15.6 minutes per game (and as you noted 3 points and 3 boards), I think they have a fair shot of doing a similar job to the year before.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 05:09:11 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 05:09:11 PM
I didn't state records, it is going to be pretty clustered. I am not predicting a 9-7 season from them. I am just saying that they are looking at 13-3 at best if they can't win at EC and LX and get beat by Stout at home.
I remember WW going to the Final Four, with the only losses of Buechner and Thill and ranked #1 in the pre-season national rankings, and they didn't do the same thing the next year. The went from a tie for first in 2008 to second in 2009 and bounced in the semi-finals of the conference tournament by almost 30 at home.
Nothing is guaranteed.
I remember WW going to the Final Four, with the only losses of Buechner and Thill and ranked #1 in the pre-season national rankings, and they didn't do the same thing the next year. The went from a tie for first in 2008 to second in 2009 and bounced in the semi-finals of the conference tournament by almost 30 at home.
Nothing is guaranteed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 05:45:53 PM
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 05:09:11 PMAnd 13-3 would have won the league this year ... I guess I am still trying to figure out how you see them as the 4th best team.
I didn't state records, it is going to be pretty clustered. I am not predicting a 9-7 season from them. I am just saying that they are looking at 13-3 at best if they can't win at EC and LX and get beat by Stout at home.
I remember WW going to the Final Four, with the only losses of Buechner and Thill and ranked #1 in the pre-season national rankings, and they didn't do the same thing the next year. The went from a tie for first in 2008 to second in 2009 and bounced in the semi-finals of the conference tournament by almost 30 at home.
Nothing is guaranteed.
And I think you proved our point with the next statement. They went from 1st to 2nd ... not down to 4th. AND they ONLY lost Buechner and Thill; two EXTREMELY important catalysts for their team. No apples to apples. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't that team go to the 2nd round of the NCAA's.
Your posts are just completely hypocritical. You take three of their losses and talk about them like they have never won at those places and need to "figure out" how to do it. La Crosse has beaten them like twice in 20 years.
As soon as La Crosse figures out how to win at Point and against Eau Claire period, based on the logic I guess I'm not sure how they can be picked to win it either. They're 13-3 at best
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 06:09:17 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 06:09:17 PM
LX didn't lose anyone.
EC has the best combination of post players in the conference and their guards are a year older.
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year.
It is more of a testament to the rest of the league then a knock on SP.
WW was still the pre-season #1 without those two in 2008.
Those three losses that I talked about weren't even close. All by double digits. Just looking at facts.
EC has the best combination of post players in the conference and their guards are a year older.
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year.
It is more of a testament to the rest of the league then a knock on SP.
WW was still the pre-season #1 without those two in 2008.
Those three losses that I talked about weren't even close. All by double digits. Just looking at facts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 06:26:23 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 06:09:17 PM
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year.
The latter does not automatically equal the former. Carollo is fine, but she's nowhere close to Thomas and Egner. Those two coaches have seen it all and done it all. Which would be expected given their many years of experience. Carollo may be that good some day, but not yet.
You're looking at convenient facts that fit your argument, but not the overall picture. UWSP has won something like 20 of the last 22 games at La Crosse. They're very comfortable winning there even if the most recent game was a dud. They've won a WIAC Tournament title game and others games at Zorn Arena.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
I don't agree with LX being the best team coming into next year, I would rather go with SP. But to think LX may be the favorite shouldn't be something to get upset about. I remember in the fall when LX was picked something like 5th or 6th in the league and some people thought THAT was too high. Well they finished in a tie for third, so first next year isn't a real stretch. This is a new bunch of LX kids.
That said, SP is the favorite coming into the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them garner 8 of the 9 votes in the SID poll this fall.
Also, BW, how do you know Hendrickson was picked ahead of Flease in the conference player of the year voting? Where can I see that voting? I know they re-vote on the top 3 vote getters, but I didn't think those top 3 vote getters were ever made public? I went on the conference website and didn't see anything that said who the top 3 were. Obviously Hirrsig was one of them since they she won it, but no idea who the other two were.
That said, SP is the favorite coming into the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them garner 8 of the 9 votes in the SID poll this fall.
Also, BW, how do you know Hendrickson was picked ahead of Flease in the conference player of the year voting? Where can I see that voting? I know they re-vote on the top 3 vote getters, but I didn't think those top 3 vote getters were ever made public? I went on the conference website and didn't see anything that said who the top 3 were. Obviously Hirrsig was one of them since they she won it, but no idea who the other two were.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 06:09:17 PMLook, I would never make predictions before the fall cause we have no idea on transfers or recruits. I'm just trying to understand your logic.
LX didn't lose anyone.
EC has the best combination of post players in the conference and their guards are a year older.
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year.
It is more of a testament to the rest of the league then a knock on SP.
WW was still the pre-season #1 without those two in 2008.
Those three losses that I talked about weren't even close. All by double digits. Just looking at facts.
LX didn't lose anyone- as compared to 3 pts and 3 reb for SP
EC has the best combination of post players in the conference and their guards are a year older. Fair enough; but Points kids will all be older as well; not to mention Eau Claire was 8-8 and 10-17 overall
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year. WW may have the best coach in the conference (based on this logic) but Point has the best coach in the Region!
It is more of a testament to the rest of the league then a knock on SP.
WW was still the pre-season #1 without those two in 2008. National Rankings mean nothing; especially in the pre-season. Syracuse and Texas proved that this year. In D3 no one gets to see more than a handful of teams ... that will never be a good barometer. The losses of seniors aren't even comparable.
Again, you might turn out correct. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how someone comes to that prediction days after the season ends with what we CURRENTLY know about these teams. By your reasoning I feel like you're actually making the case for Point to be picked 1st.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
I'm not upset with people's opinions. I guess closetothechest is just going on gut feeling (which is fine) because at this point, the facts and logic don't add up to that conclusion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
Post by: billys on March 16, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:15 PMI'm not upset either. I love these discussions; just like to get another perspective of where people are coming from. And La Crosse being picked first is fine; I'm just trying to figure out how Point falls to 4th
I don't agree with LX being the best team coming into next year, I would rather go with SP. But to think LX may be the favorite shouldn't be something to get upset about. I remember in the fall when LX was picked something like 5th or 6th in the league and some people thought THAT was too high. Well they finished in a tie for third, so first next year isn't a real stretch. This is a new bunch of LX kids.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 07:39:35 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 07:39:35 PM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
I remember in the fall when LX was picked something like 5th or 6th in the league and some people thought THAT was too high. Well they finished in a tie for third, so first next year isn't a real stretch.
Well, there were three teams that TIED for third place, so one could also say that there were three teams tied for fifth place.
10 - 6 in many years in the WIAC would get you 4th or 5th place.
Just to put some of this in to real terms, the last time that a 10 - 6 record took 3rd place for a single team was the 1997 - 98 season when Stout did it.
In 2000 - 01, three teams tied for 3rd with an 11 - 5 record.
The last time a 10 - 6 team went from 10 - 6 to winning the WIAC was in 2002 - 03 when UWEC did it.
The last time UWL finished the season with a conference record better than 10 - 6 was in 1987 - 88.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
I am pretty sure I said they were in a tie for third place. Not sure why you are putting it in caps. I would have put the three in caps, but it doesn't matter.
And I don't know who would say there was a 3-way tie for fifth place. I mean by that idea, no one won conference in 2008, there was a two-way tie for second.
And I don't know who would say there was a 3-way tie for fifth place. I mean by that idea, no one won conference in 2008, there was a two-way tie for second.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 16, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 16, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: The Champ on March 16, 2010, 07:39:35 PMQuote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
I remember in the fall when LX was picked something like 5th or 6th in the league and some people thought THAT was too high. Well they finished in a tie for third, so first next year isn't a real stretch.
Well, there were three teams that TIED for third place, so one could also say that there were three teams tied for fifth place.
10 - 6 in many years in the WIAC would get you 4th or 5th place.
Just to put some of this in to real terms, the last time that a 10 - 6 record took 3rd place for a single team was the 1997 - 98 season when Stout did it.
In 2000 - 01, three teams tied for 3rd with an 11 - 5 record.
The last time a 10 - 6 team went from 10 - 6 to winning the WIAC was in 2002 - 03 when UWEC did it.
The last time UWL finished the season with a conference record better than 10 - 6 was in 1987 - 88.
In 2000-2001 stout tied for 3rd with 3 teams at 11-5. (So you could say they tied for 5th?)
The following year they went 15-1 and won the conference.
Lax has a lot of improvement to make this offseason if they are going to compete for a title next year. I suppose you could say that for every team.
Is it possible they win the conference next year? Definitely. They will have the best shot they have had in years.
Are they the favorites? No way.
1. Point
2. EC
3. Lax
4. WW
5. Stout
6. RF
I think 2-5 are a toss up especially if Stout and Whitewater get some good players this offseason. Everyone's chasing Point now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 07:59:08 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 07:59:08 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
I am pretty sure I said they were in a tie for third place. Not sure why you are putting it in caps. I would have put the three in caps, but it doesn't matter.
And I don't know who would say there was a 3-way tie for fifth place. I mean by that idea, no one won conference in 2008, there was a two-way tie for second.
The point I was making is that you said that some people projected them as a 5th place team. They finished with a 10 - 6 record that 3 teams tied for 3rd place with - which means that those three teams with identical records represented 3rd, 4th, and 5th place.
And you verify my point because, as you so eloquently pointed out, 2 teams tied for first, but no one is trying to say that LaCrosse, River Falls and Stout tied for 2nd place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 08:37:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on March 16, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
In 2000-2001 stout tied for 3rd with 3 teams at 11-5. (So you could say they tied for 5th?)
The following year they went 15-1 and won the conference.
Before I make my response, please read it and understand it. Don't get upset and attack me, attack my post if you think I'm wrong.
It's not that uncommon for a 3rd place team to go from 3rd to 1st in the WIAC. Point did it just last year when they went from 3rd to 1st with a 12 - 4 record.
I'm glad you noticed that I posted that it was a 3 way tie for 3rd place with an 11 - 5 record when Stout went from 3rd to 1st.
For Point, Stout, EC and WW at this time, a 10 - 6 record is not considered to be a "good" season.
For LaCrosse, a 10 win WIAC season is a great year - anything better than that hasn't happened in LaCrosse since Ronald Reagan was President.
I have no problem stating that UWL had a good season, and that they may improve next year. I just don't see UWL (with their history) going from 10 - 6 to winning the WIAC.
Until they can prove (in recent history) that they are capable of winning more than 10 games in a season, I'm a doubting Thomas.
OK?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 17, 2010, 08:49:11 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 17, 2010, 08:49:11 AM
Quote from: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 08:37:22 AMQuote from: PRF2009A on March 16, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
In 2000-2001 stout tied for 3rd with 3 teams at 11-5. (So you could say they tied for 5th?)
The following year they went 15-1 and won the conference.
Before I make my response, please read it and understand it. Don't get upset and attack me, attack my post if you think I'm wrong.
It's not that uncommon for a 3rd place team to go from 3rd to 1st in the WIAC. Point did it just last year when they went from 3rd to 1st with a 12 - 4 record.
I'm glad you noticed that I posted that it was a 3 way tie for 3rd place with an 11 - 5 record when Stout went from 3rd to 1st.
For Point, Stout, EC and WW at this time, a 10 - 6 record is not considered to be a "good" season.
For LaCrosse, a 10 win WIAC season is a great year - anything better than that hasn't happened in LaCrosse since Ronald Reagan was President.
I have no problem stating that UWL had a good season, and that they may improve next year. I just don't see UWL (with their history) going from 10 - 6 to winning the WIAC.
Until they can prove (in recent history) that they are capable of winning more than 10 games in a season, I'm a doubting Thomas.
OK?
I agree with your points 100%. Hard to put someone to the top if they've never been there before. The only thing I got swaying my opinion otherwise is knowing some of the players on the team and the potential they have. Every person that is a fan of their own team is going to have that opinion however.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2010, 10:26:29 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2010, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Usuallywrong24 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
Also, BW, how do you know Hendrickson was picked ahead of Flease in the conference player of the year voting? Where can I see that voting? I know they re-vote on the top 3 vote getters, but I didn't think those top 3 vote getters were ever made public? I went on the conference website and didn't see anything that said who the top 3 were. Obviously Hirrsig was one of them since they she won it, but no idea who the other two were.
I have a source intimately familiar with the vote. It was Hirssig, Henderson and Petersen in that order.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
I know SP is only losing 3 pts and 3 boards per game, but this woman was a captain and had a lot of heart. I watched the WIAC finals, and I am not sure that teams makes a second half run against WW without her. She started the charge early in the second half. If she isn't on the team this year, and SP loses that game, who knows if they get in the tournament? Then there is no Elite 8 run.
Would your opinions change then?
Would your opinions change then?
Quote from: billys on March 16, 2010, 06:52:36 PMQuote from: closetothechest on March 16, 2010, 06:09:17 PMLook, I would never make predictions before the fall cause we have no idea on transfers or recruits. I'm just trying to understand your logic.
LX didn't lose anyone.
EC has the best combination of post players in the conference and their guards are a year older.
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year.
It is more of a testament to the rest of the league then a knock on SP.
WW was still the pre-season #1 without those two in 2008.
Those three losses that I talked about weren't even close. All by double digits. Just looking at facts.
LX didn't lose anyone- as compared to 3 pts and 3 reb for SP
EC has the best combination of post players in the conference and their guards are a year older. Fair enough; but Points kids will all be older as well; not to mention Eau Claire was 8-8 and 10-17 overall
WW has the best coach in the conference as she won Coach of the Year this year. WW may have the best coach in the conference (based on this logic) but Point has the best coach in the Region!
It is more of a testament to the rest of the league then a knock on SP.
WW was still the pre-season #1 without those two in 2008. National Rankings mean nothing; especially in the pre-season. Syracuse and Texas proved that this year. In D3 no one gets to see more than a handful of teams ... that will never be a good barometer. The losses of seniors aren't even comparable.
Again, you might turn out correct. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how someone comes to that prediction days after the season ends with what we CURRENTLY know about these teams. By your reasoning I feel like you're actually making the case for Point to be picked 1st.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2010, 01:12:44 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2010, 01:12:44 PM
No. Windt is a great kid, but Flease and Peterson (and to a lesser extent Bandow) drive that team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 01:32:32 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 01:32:32 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on March 17, 2010, 08:49:11 AM
I agree with your points 100%. Hard to put someone to the top if they've never been there before. The only thing I got swaying my opinion otherwise is knowing some of the players on the team and the potential they have. Every person that is a fan of their own team is going to have that opinion however.
Cool - glad we could move forward! 8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 01:57:01 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
4. SP- Needs to beat Stout at home and find out how to win at LX and EC.
Those three losses that I talked about weren't even close. All by double digits. Just looking at facts.
In response to the first item - Prior to this season - Point had won their home game against Stout in Jan 08, Feb 07, Jan 06, Dec 04 and Jan 04. On the road against EC Point won in Jan 09, Feb 08, Jan 07, Feb 06 and Feb 05. As far as UWL goes, Point has won every game in LaCrosse but one - in Dec 05.
That pretty much shoots item #4 right out of the water. Shirley only lost one of those games in the last 5 seasons out of a possible 15. Why does Point need to "learn" how to win at home against Stout and how to win on the road against UWL and UWEC? ???
As to your second point - Windt played 12 minutes in that game. Did her 12 minutes help? Sure. But if she's as good as you claim, wouldn't Shirley have had her play more? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 04:38:10 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 04:38:10 PM
SP had 8 newcomers on the team this year. Meaning there is 8 people on that team who has never beaten Stout at home in the regular season, or won at EC or LX. This is why they need to learn how to win those games.
Pair this with 3-5 newcomers, what most schools bring in during an average year recuiting class, except for a few conference teams, that means they will have 11-13 players who have never won in those situations. You simply can't show up and win because of who you are, as seen at Johnson Fieldhouse this year when Superior came in.
And about Windt, she has had two ACL operations done in two years and was playing her second game in 3 days. That would probably be a reason why she didn't play more.
Pair this with 3-5 newcomers, what most schools bring in during an average year recuiting class, except for a few conference teams, that means they will have 11-13 players who have never won in those situations. You simply can't show up and win because of who you are, as seen at Johnson Fieldhouse this year when Superior came in.
And about Windt, she has had two ACL operations done in two years and was playing her second game in 3 days. That would probably be a reason why she didn't play more.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 17, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 04:38:10 PM
SP had 8 newcomers on the team this year. Meaning there is 8 people on that team who has never beaten Stout at home in the regular season, or won at EC or LX. This is why they need to learn how to win those games.
Well, they had the following veteran players this year with these amounts of average playing time: Bandow - 29.7, Flease - 31.2, Petersen - 28.5, Beuchel - 9.7, Coles 9.3 and Verdegan with 8.1. Windt had 15.6. All these players were on the team last year - several with more than just one year. That's 6 returning players. So this claim is rather pointless.
QuotePair this with 3-5 newcomers, what most schools bring in during an average year recuiting class, except for a few conference teams, that means they will have 11-13 players who have never won in those situations.
As you note, every team has newcomers. Give Shirley some credit that she has a strong returning squad that has done quite well and has actually won games in those locations - despite your claims to the contrary as I've already documented.
QuoteAnd about Windt, she has had two ACL operations done in two years and was playing her second game in 3 days. That would probably e a reason why she didn't play more.
Windt's season average was 15.6. In the first WIAC playoff game (with an extra day of rest) she only played 14 minutes. In the second, as already mentioned, she only played 12.
Regardless, 3 of her 4 teammates (on a short turnaround) played more than their season averages – Bandow – up 2.3 minutes (played 32), Flease – up 3.8 minutes (played 35), Avercamp – up 3 minutes (played 25). Peterson was down 1.5 (played 27) and Windt was down 2.6 (played 12)
You mentioned before she was a team captain. That honor most likely a result of showing the hard work and dedication it takes to come back from multiple knee surgeries and the fact she was the only senior on the team. I don't have a problem with that – she earned the right to be captain most likely.
It seems the more you try and justify your position, the deeper hole you are in. Maybe it's time to stop digging... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2010, 07:16:08 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 17, 2010, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 04:38:10 PMInteresting how many qualifiers you needed to put on that game. So SP beat Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse and they beat Stout at home in the postseason, but somehow the regular season loss at home is the big red checkmark against them?
SP had 8 newcomers on the team this year. Meaning there is 8 people on that team who has never beaten Stout at home in the regular season, or won at EC or LX. This is why they need to learn how to win those games.
Might I suggest the winning at Illinois Wesleyan in the NCAA Tournament was a far more challenging and hostile environment than EC, Stout or LC.
Honestly, they way you talk you would think Mitchell Hall was Cameron Indoor Stadium. Last time I was there, they could have had a buy 1 ticket, get 10 free special had still not had a sellout.
Also, La Crosse doesn't have a single player on their roster who has ever won a game at SP, EC or Stout. 0-11 over the past three seasons. Why doesn't La Crosse have to carry the burden of "learning to win at those places"? Why is that only SP's problem?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 19, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 19, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
Champ,
First off, just because the coach at UWSP has won in many situations, it does not mean the players have. SP was a young team this year. Flease, Bandow, and Petersen had extensive playing against @ EC and LX and home against Stout during the last wins, but those other players did not. Sometimes players can get intimidated going into a tough place like Zorn, and since they are the ones actually shooting the shots, this is something to look into.
I never said Shirley has never won in these places. For my money, she is the best in the conference. I am not worried about her winning anywhere, but as I said before, she doesn't shoot any shots.
And about Windt and her playing time, I understand she had a lot of teammates who played more minutes against WW than Stout, but all of those teammates you mentioned didn't have two knee operations. They are younger and didn't have her body. I was just giving you a possible explanation.
SP is going to be really tough. I am just saying they are going to overcome this games to win.
First off, just because the coach at UWSP has won in many situations, it does not mean the players have. SP was a young team this year. Flease, Bandow, and Petersen had extensive playing against @ EC and LX and home against Stout during the last wins, but those other players did not. Sometimes players can get intimidated going into a tough place like Zorn, and since they are the ones actually shooting the shots, this is something to look into.
I never said Shirley has never won in these places. For my money, she is the best in the conference. I am not worried about her winning anywhere, but as I said before, she doesn't shoot any shots.
And about Windt and her playing time, I understand she had a lot of teammates who played more minutes against WW than Stout, but all of those teammates you mentioned didn't have two knee operations. They are younger and didn't have her body. I was just giving you a possible explanation.
SP is going to be really tough. I am just saying they are going to overcome this games to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 19, 2010, 11:55:30 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 19, 2010, 11:55:30 PM
For those home losses against Stout, SP was as hot as they ever have been, they both had lengthy winning streaks, 10 or more games, when they lost at home. So beating Stout at home should be a goal. I know they won @ IWU, but that wasn't a conference game and won't count in the standings. It was a huge win, but doesn't count in the WIAC.
I know Mitchell isn't a very scarey place to play, but they still lost there this year, by double figures. And since they play there the last game of the regular season again, its going to be a huge game. A must win most likely to win the conference title. Same situation as this year, and they need a difference result.
And LX did beat Stout this year, at Johnson Fieldhouse. The home loss against Stout was early in the year. They were the hottest team in the conference until the tournament. To think this team won't be a top 3 team is dumb. They got third, sorry tied for fifth i mean, this year and have everyone back. Just based on what they have coming back, five starters, they have to be considered in contention. And obviously LX has to win in these situations too. I am just giving reasons why I think they might finish a head of SP. Both are going to be really good teams with good seasons.
I know Mitchell isn't a very scarey place to play, but they still lost there this year, by double figures. And since they play there the last game of the regular season again, its going to be a huge game. A must win most likely to win the conference title. Same situation as this year, and they need a difference result.
And LX did beat Stout this year, at Johnson Fieldhouse. The home loss against Stout was early in the year. They were the hottest team in the conference until the tournament. To think this team won't be a top 3 team is dumb. They got third, sorry tied for fifth i mean, this year and have everyone back. Just based on what they have coming back, five starters, they have to be considered in contention. And obviously LX has to win in these situations too. I am just giving reasons why I think they might finish a head of SP. Both are going to be really good teams with good seasons.
Quote from: Just Bill on March 17, 2010, 07:16:08 PMQuote from: closetothechest on March 17, 2010, 04:38:10 PMInteresting how many qualifiers you needed to put on that game. So SP beat Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse and they beat Stout at home in the postseason, but somehow the regular season loss at home is the big red checkmark against them?
SP had 8 newcomers on the team this year. Meaning there is 8 people on that team who has never beaten Stout at home in the regular season, or won at EC or LX. This is why they need to learn how to win those games.
Might I suggest the winning at Illinois Wesleyan in the NCAA Tournament was a far more challenging and hostile environment than EC, Stout or LC.
Honestly, they way you talk you would think Mitchell Hall was Cameron Indoor Stadium. Last time I was there, they could have had a buy 1 ticket, get 10 free special had still not had a sellout.
Also, La Crosse doesn't have a single player on their roster who has ever won a game at SP, EC or Stout. 0-11 over the past three seasons. Why doesn't La Crosse have to carry the burden of "learning to win at those places"? Why is that only SP's problem?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 20, 2010, 06:52:50 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 20, 2010, 06:52:50 AM
Quote from: Posted by: closetothechest For those home losses against Stout, SP was as hot as they ever have been, they both had lengthy winning streaks, 10 or more games, when they lost at home. So beating Stout at home should be a goal
Wining every game should be a goal – home or on the road. Stout should have beat SP at Johnson Fieldhouse. But it didn't happen.
QuoteI know Mitchell isn't a very scarey place to play, but they still lost there this year, by double figures.
SP has won in Mitchell 21 out of the last 23 years. You said they had to LEARN how to win there. They know. And don't try and bring up the "newcomers" haven't won there – SP has plenty of players (as I've previously listed) that have won there.
QuoteI am just giving reasons why I think they might finish a head of SP. Both are going to be really good teams with good seasons.
But that is NOT what you have been saying. May I remind you of what you posted that started this discussion?
QuoteHere are my predictions:
1. LX- Great Team coming back. No seniors, Lang and Frank are ready for big years. How was Lang not even honorable mention all conference? I am sure Stout would have voted for her.
2. EC- Post play should still be excellant, and Olson is coming along. Along with other swing player.
3. WW- I am sure the reigning Coach of the Year has something up her sleeve. Just won't be a WIAC conference tournament title.
4. SP- Needs to beat Stout at home and find out how to win at LX and EC.
For SP, 4th place is a bad year. They haven't finished lower than 3rd place this decade – and you're picking them for 4th place.
For UWL – 4th place is a great year. It's been 23 seasons since UWL finished alone in the standings higher than 4th place and you're picking them to win the WIAC.
Your own words contradict what you said yesterday. Your own words have presented incorrect information as fact.
Time to stop digging when you can't see out of the hole your digging...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 20, 2010, 12:12:35 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 20, 2010, 12:12:35 PM
History doesn't matter as much in this league as you think. WW didn't have a lot of history until they cracked the top four. Oshkosh was historically a top four team until recent. Living in the past will keep you in the past.
Superior didn't have very much history winning at Stout until this year. All it takes is one game to change the whole conference race. I am sure you would have called anyone crazy who predicted that upset, but it happened.
SP has had a tough time playing in LX in the last five years, going only 3-2 and none of those games were really pretty. They had a buzzer beater there two years ago and then this year was just awful. They still won there because LX didn't have their talent. Now it seems like LX is getting some talent, so I am not going to mark down a "W" just because it is SP at LX. Are they going to be favored? Maybe, but its not a gimme win.
About the newcomers, only Flease, Petersen, Bandow and Coles have any playing time of a won game there. You can list all of the other players, but since none of those players played in that last win, I am not sure they know what its like to win there. And since they are going to have 11-13 players who have never played in a win there, 75% of the team, it matters.
And if they know how to win at Mitchell Hall, why didn't they win there this year? You can't say they overlooked the hottest team in the conference at the time. You can't say they had nothing on the line as they were playing for a conference title.
SP got fourth place in 2007. So they did get lower than third.
Superior didn't have very much history winning at Stout until this year. All it takes is one game to change the whole conference race. I am sure you would have called anyone crazy who predicted that upset, but it happened.
SP has had a tough time playing in LX in the last five years, going only 3-2 and none of those games were really pretty. They had a buzzer beater there two years ago and then this year was just awful. They still won there because LX didn't have their talent. Now it seems like LX is getting some talent, so I am not going to mark down a "W" just because it is SP at LX. Are they going to be favored? Maybe, but its not a gimme win.
About the newcomers, only Flease, Petersen, Bandow and Coles have any playing time of a won game there. You can list all of the other players, but since none of those players played in that last win, I am not sure they know what its like to win there. And since they are going to have 11-13 players who have never played in a win there, 75% of the team, it matters.
And if they know how to win at Mitchell Hall, why didn't they win there this year? You can't say they overlooked the hottest team in the conference at the time. You can't say they had nothing on the line as they were playing for a conference title.
SP got fourth place in 2007. So they did get lower than third.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2010, 08:59:43 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2010, 08:59:43 AM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 20, 2010, 12:12:35 PM
History doesn't matter as much in this league as you think. WW didn't have a lot of history until they cracked the top four. Oshkosh was historically a top four team until recent.
History in the WIAC tells me that UWSP, with HC Shirley Egner, is a quality program with a winning tradition (382 wins against 175 losses).
UWL's history under HC Lois Herreen is a decent program with a losing tradition (135 wins against 147 losses).
Your reference to UWO doesn't recognize a significant change in that program – Pam Ruder led a program and developed and continued a winning tradition (203 wins against 46 losses) and Terri Schumacher (52 wins against 72 losses) took over as HC and things went south.
QuoteLiving in the past will keep you in the past.
I'd just like to remind you of a little more famous quote... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
QuoteSP has had a tough time playing in LX in the last five years, going only 3-2 and none of those games were really pretty. They had a buzzer beater there two years ago and then this year was just awful. They still won there because LX didn't have their talent. Now it seems like LX is getting some talent, so I am not going to mark down a "W" just because it is SP at LX. Are they going to be favored? Maybe, but its not a gimme win.
1/22/05 Stevens Point 73-59 LC
12/10/05 La Crosse 62-55 LC
2/3/07 Stevens Point 62-49 LC
2/20/08 Stevens Point 62-48 LC
12/10/08 Stevens Point 58-56 LC
Let's look at this. Prior to this season, going back 5 years we have 1 win for UWL, one close win for UWSP, and 3 wins by 13 or more points for UWSP.
A 13+ point win is a solid win against a decent team in the WIAC. I didn't watch those games, so I can't judge whether they were pretty or not, but I'm sure that most reasonable people would not say they were ugly wins.
QuoteAbout the newcomers, only Flease, Petersen, Bandow and Coles have any playing time of a won game there. You can list all of the other players, but since none of those players played in that last win, I am not sure they know what its like to win there. And since they are going to have 11-13 players who have never played in a win there, 75% of the team, it matters.
How many of those 11 – 13 players that have never played in a win in Mitchell are going to see significant playing time on a squad that is returning all but one player? Maybe having the new replacement for departed starter will actually improve the team...
FWIW – UWL lost both at home and on the road to both WW and EC last year. Maybe they just need to learn how to beat those two teams before you crown them WIAC Champions...
QuoteAnd if they know how to win at Mitchell Hall, why didn't they win there this year? You can't say they overlooked the hottest team in the conference at the time. You can't say they had nothing on the line as they were playing for a conference title.
No team wins every game every year.
The hottest team in the WIAC? UWL was on a 3 game winning streak (over Superior, UWO and a declining RF team), but UWW also had a 3 game winning streak. And it was WW that had defeated UWL in their game before the start of the UWL win streak.
UWL was playing for something to. A loss would have put them on the road in the WIAC tourney.
QuoteSP got fourth place in 2007. So they did get lower than third.
Yes they did. I made a mistake. They had a 10 – 6 record and finished in 4th place all by themselves. Points worst year equals UWL's best this century.
Keep digging, I think your almost to China.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 11:57:55 AM
Post by: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 11:57:55 AM
Coach Herren does not have a winning record overall, but she is 81-50 in the last five years. That is not an awful record and it looks like she is turning things around as she has a 35-17 record the last two years. Are they going to improve again? I think so.
Average score the last five meetings in LX, SP 58, LX 57.6. Pretty close. And only averaging 58 points is not pretty. If a team averaged 58 points a game for a season, it would have been good for dead last in the WIAC this year, and 8th place the four years before that. Sorry, but thats not a very pretty game.
About the returners, since only four have playing time in a game won at Mitchell, I am going to assume that SP is going to play more than four players that game. That means at least 5-6 players who are going to play have never experienced a positive experience there in a win.
Thanks for backing up my hottest team argument with the numbers. If you go back a little farther to Jan 27, LX was 5-1, and WW was 5-2. That win at Stout was when they started playing better and turned their season around. I should have put a date in there when talking about how hot they were.
And I like how you say we have to look at history, but you decline to look at recent history at Mitchell. What is more important, things that happened 20 years ago or things that happened in the last couple years? I think it is obvious.
Average score the last five meetings in LX, SP 58, LX 57.6. Pretty close. And only averaging 58 points is not pretty. If a team averaged 58 points a game for a season, it would have been good for dead last in the WIAC this year, and 8th place the four years before that. Sorry, but thats not a very pretty game.
About the returners, since only four have playing time in a game won at Mitchell, I am going to assume that SP is going to play more than four players that game. That means at least 5-6 players who are going to play have never experienced a positive experience there in a win.
Thanks for backing up my hottest team argument with the numbers. If you go back a little farther to Jan 27, LX was 5-1, and WW was 5-2. That win at Stout was when they started playing better and turned their season around. I should have put a date in there when talking about how hot they were.
And I like how you say we have to look at history, but you decline to look at recent history at Mitchell. What is more important, things that happened 20 years ago or things that happened in the last couple years? I think it is obvious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirrsig, D3hoops First Team All- American! Well deserved!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2010, 12:46:17 PM
Post by: The Champ on March 21, 2010, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 11:57:55 AM
That is not an awful record...
No, it's not. It's not great either.
QuoteAverage score the last five meetings in LX, SP 58, LX 57.6.
Point has 3 wins, 1 by single digits 2 by double digits. UWL has 2 wins, 1 by single digits, 1 by double digits. Advantage is clearly in points favor. You don't do combined points to determine a W/L advantage.
QuoteIf a team averaged 58 points a game for a season, it would have been good for dead last in the WIAC this year, and 8th place the four years before that.
Well UWL was worse than 58 points on average so they must really suck... :o
QuoteAbout the returners, since only four have playing time in a game won at Mitchell, I am going to assume that SP is going to play more than four players that game. That means at least 5-6 players who are going to play have never experienced a positive experience there in a win.
This whole part of the discussion is ridiculous. I'm not going to even waste anymore time responding to this tripe.
QuoteThanks for backing up my hottest team argument with the numbers
I wasn't backing it up, I was destroying it... ;D A 3 game win streak is not relevant.
QuoteAnd I like how you say we h'llave to look at history, but you decline to look at recent history at Mitchell. What is more important, things that happened 20 years ago or things that happened in the last couple years? I think it is obvious.
If recent history is just one game, I concede and call you a winner.
Personally, a streak of one game is not a relevant statistic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 01:09:06 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 01:09:06 PM
Champ,
Good discussion. We will just agree to disagree. Look forward to more in the future.
Good discussion. We will just agree to disagree. Look forward to more in the future.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 22, 2010, 11:57:17 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 22, 2010, 11:57:17 AM
Former UWO coach Pam Ruder resigns from Southwestern (Tex.). Not sure what to make of that.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/03/21/ruder-steps-down-at-southwestern.html
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/03/21/ruder-steps-down-at-southwestern.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: closetothechest on March 22, 2010, 12:46:48 PM
Post by: closetothechest on March 22, 2010, 12:46:48 PM
Hard for her to start a good program maybe? Got handed a pretty darn good program at Oshkosh and did some good things there, including a couple sweet 16s and conference titles.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 22, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 22, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
Following in the footsteps of the men's program the UW-Whitewater women's wheelchair team is already establishing itself as a national power.
The UWW Women's Wheelchair Basketball Team had great success at its regional tournament last weekend at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. The women walked away from the tournament with four wins and one loss. The team is the third seed for the 2010 National Wheelchair Basketball Association's National Championship tournament April 7-11 in Denver. The single loss was to #1 nationally ranked University of Alabama 71-58. Wins included a 37-35 victory over the University of Illinois and a 76-41 thrashing of the University of Arizona.
The UW-Whitewater women's wheelchair basketball team has been in existence since 2008. All members of the team have a lower body disability that prevents them from playing able-bodied basketball. Some of these disabilities include, but are not limited to, spina bifida, multiple knee injuries, cerebral palsy, amputation or paralyzation.
The UWW Women's Wheelchair Basketball Team had great success at its regional tournament last weekend at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. The women walked away from the tournament with four wins and one loss. The team is the third seed for the 2010 National Wheelchair Basketball Association's National Championship tournament April 7-11 in Denver. The single loss was to #1 nationally ranked University of Alabama 71-58. Wins included a 37-35 victory over the University of Illinois and a 76-41 thrashing of the University of Arizona.
The UW-Whitewater women's wheelchair basketball team has been in existence since 2008. All members of the team have a lower body disability that prevents them from playing able-bodied basketball. Some of these disabilities include, but are not limited to, spina bifida, multiple knee injuries, cerebral palsy, amputation or paralyzation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 22, 2010, 04:33:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 22, 2010, 04:33:47 PM
Quote from: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirrsig, D3hoops First Team All- American! Well deserved!
Ditto that.
And congrats to the WARHAWKS Kelsey Hendrickson who received honorable mention recognition. Both excellent representives of WIAC women's basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 22, 2010, 05:44:44 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 22, 2010, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 22, 2010, 04:33:47 PMQuote from: closetothechest on March 21, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Congrats to Julia Hirrsig, D3hoops First Team All- American! Well deserved!
Ditto that.
And congrats to the WARHAWKS Kelsey Hendrickson who received honorable mention recognition. Both excellent representives of WIAC women's basketball.
Would that be the Kelsey Hendrickson who saved her career-high 30-point game to help the Warhawks beat the Blugolds in the WIAC tournament? ;)
Yep. Congrats to them both...
And thanks to all the outgoing seniors on their respective teams who have sacrificed and worked hard to entertain us all the last four years...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 25, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 25, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
SP finishes the year ranked 8th in the nation. Pretty good jump since the last poll!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 28, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 28, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
From WIAA State Tournament coverage: http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/rob_hernandez/article_ebfc1d3b-437d-5334-b411-0bd0331d1afe.html
Around the Kohl Center
Off to college? Cuba City head coach Jeff Pustina's daughter, Kaitlyn, will be a junior on the UW-Platteville women's basketball team. Her team has a coaching vacancy after Tina Kuhle's contract was not renewed after six years.
Is there any interest on Pustina's part, especially with Cuba City senior Emily Kaiser headed to Platteville to possibly play multiple sports and senior Katie Langmeier thinking about it?
"I'm going to enjoy the night tonight and see what happens," Pustina said Saturday. "There isn't anything in the works or anything. Right now, (coaching Cuba City) is what I'm doing and I intend to do this until something comes up."
Around the Kohl Center
Off to college? Cuba City head coach Jeff Pustina's daughter, Kaitlyn, will be a junior on the UW-Platteville women's basketball team. Her team has a coaching vacancy after Tina Kuhle's contract was not renewed after six years.
Is there any interest on Pustina's part, especially with Cuba City senior Emily Kaiser headed to Platteville to possibly play multiple sports and senior Katie Langmeier thinking about it?
"I'm going to enjoy the night tonight and see what happens," Pustina said Saturday. "There isn't anything in the works or anything. Right now, (coaching Cuba City) is what I'm doing and I intend to do this until something comes up."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 29, 2010, 11:08:49 AM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on March 29, 2010, 11:08:49 AM
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but it sounds like he is pretty interested in the job, but doesn't want to turn anyone off. There wasn't a definite no in going to Platteville. Makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 29, 2010, 02:29:01 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 29, 2010, 02:29:01 PM
I'd be willing to bet the farm he stays put. Anywhere I can do that? You know, if gambling were legal.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 29, 2010, 04:04:32 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 29, 2010, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 29, 2010, 02:29:01 PM
I'd be willing to bet the farm he stays put. Anywhere I can do that? You know, if gambling were legal.
Some how I doubt Vegas has a line for "Small town high school championship coach bolts for last place D-III coaching job". But if you find one, put me down for $50. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 08, 2010, 01:02:30 PM
Post by: billys on April 08, 2010, 01:02:30 PM
Pretty quiet in here.
Anyone with any recruiting news? Has Platteville done anything yet or is the typically slow state hiring process at work?
Could use a basketball fix.
Anyone with any recruiting news? Has Platteville done anything yet or is the typically slow state hiring process at work?
Could use a basketball fix.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on April 09, 2010, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: buf on April 09, 2010, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: billys on April 08, 2010, 01:02:30 PM
Pretty quiet in here.
Anyone with any recruiting news? Has Platteville done anything yet or is the typically slow state hiring process at work?
Could use a basketball fix.
This is all that I have found out as far as recruiting:
Erin Frase 5'8 G (Phillips HS) - UW-River Falls
Rachel Hanley 5'6 G (Northwoods HS) - UW-Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on April 10, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on April 10, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
UWSP Recruiting Class
Myranda Tyler 6'1 Grafton
Jenna Pitt 5'8 Amherst
Christie Struck 5'6 Weyauwega-Fremont
Alyssa Olp 5'9 Brillion
Struck is out w/severe concussions and will most likely miss her entire freshman season, but they're hoping she will be back to play in the 2011-12 season and Pitt will be coming back off of an ACL injury.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on April 12, 2010, 04:47:45 PM
Post by: jam8788 on April 12, 2010, 04:47:45 PM
UWSP Recruiting Class
Myranda Tyler 6'1 Grafton - mostly just tall, will not be an impact player til jr year, if at all
Jenna Pitt 5'8 Amherst - haven't seen her
Christie Struck 5'6 Weyauwega-Fremont - she is a VERY good guard. awesome playmaker. too bad about those concussions, i wasn't aware of that.
Alyssa Olp 5'9 Brillion - good ball-handler, phenomonal passer, but has a horrible outside shot. can't see her getting much playing time until she develops a shot.
Myranda Tyler 6'1 Grafton - mostly just tall, will not be an impact player til jr year, if at all
Jenna Pitt 5'8 Amherst - haven't seen her
Christie Struck 5'6 Weyauwega-Fremont - she is a VERY good guard. awesome playmaker. too bad about those concussions, i wasn't aware of that.
Alyssa Olp 5'9 Brillion - good ball-handler, phenomonal passer, but has a horrible outside shot. can't see her getting much playing time until she develops a shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 13, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
Post by: billys on April 13, 2010, 12:14:04 AM
Good work everyone.
Any word frow Whitewater BW?
From memory it seems La Crosse and Eau Claire usually do announcements but not for another month yet.
It'll be interesting to see who Oshkosh gets as well. I had heard the Oostburg girl Raeder might be headed that way.
Been trying to follow the coaching searches on the men's and women's side but neither local newspaper has anything on their website; although I technically never found a website for a Platteville newspaper.
Good start though
Any word frow Whitewater BW?
From memory it seems La Crosse and Eau Claire usually do announcements but not for another month yet.
It'll be interesting to see who Oshkosh gets as well. I had heard the Oostburg girl Raeder might be headed that way.
Been trying to follow the coaching searches on the men's and women's side but neither local newspaper has anything on their website; although I technically never found a website for a Platteville newspaper.
Good start though
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on April 13, 2010, 11:08:27 AM
Post by: buf on April 13, 2010, 11:08:27 AM
EC Leader came out with their annual All-Northwest team in this past weekend Sunday paper.
Sami Schroeder (Durand) to Stout. ALL NW POY
Kassia Anderson (Fall Creek) to UWEC. 2nd Team All Northwest
Sami Schroeder (Durand) to Stout. ALL NW POY
Kassia Anderson (Fall Creek) to UWEC. 2nd Team All Northwest
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on April 19, 2010, 02:38:50 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on April 19, 2010, 02:38:50 PM
Myranda Tyler- 6'1 and moves well, so any a team like SP will be able to use that big body when their posts get in foul trouble. I didn't think Plendl would be a good player after seeing her once last year, but she really turned into something special. Don't mean to compare the two, but you can't teach size.
Jenna Pitt-Made the game winning shot in the D3 State Finals two years ago and I heard that she was getting looks from a couple D2 schools. She hurt her knee in October I believe, so she should be healthy or close to it by this October. Shes a good guard.
Alyssa Olp-This girl took her team to State. Really tough guard that drives well. I see her playing right away. SP already has a pretty good PG, so Olp should be a solid back up. On a team that is loaded with talent, how many 3s is she going to have make?
Christie Struck- Really good player, but we'll see if she can make the team.
Jenna Pitt-Made the game winning shot in the D3 State Finals two years ago and I heard that she was getting looks from a couple D2 schools. She hurt her knee in October I believe, so she should be healthy or close to it by this October. Shes a good guard.
Alyssa Olp-This girl took her team to State. Really tough guard that drives well. I see her playing right away. SP already has a pretty good PG, so Olp should be a solid back up. On a team that is loaded with talent, how many 3s is she going to have make?
Christie Struck- Really good player, but we'll see if she can make the team.
Quote from: jam8788 on April 12, 2010, 04:47:45 PM
UWSP Recruiting Class
Myranda Tyler 6'1 Grafton - mostly just tall, will not be an impact player til jr year, if at all
Jenna Pitt 5'8 Amherst - haven't seen her
Christie Struck 5'6 Weyauwega-Fremont - she is a VERY good guard. awesome playmaker. too bad about those concussions, i wasn't aware of that.
Alyssa Olp 5'9 Brillion - good ball-handler, phenomonal passer, but has a horrible outside shot. can't see her getting much playing time until she develops a shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on April 26, 2010, 04:31:54 PM
Post by: jam8788 on April 26, 2010, 04:31:54 PM
Any word on the UWP coach search? The deadline was April 5. I'm sure they're done interviewing by now. I heard of a few very good, young, WIAC alumni candidates that applied. I think it'd be great to get a WIAC alum in the position.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 27, 2010, 12:51:39 AM
Post by: billys on April 27, 2010, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: jam8788 on April 26, 2010, 04:31:54 PMhttp://www.uwpexponent.org/2010/04/22/five-candidates-selected-to-interview-for-womens-basketball-head-coach-position/
Any word on the UWP coach search? The deadline was April 5. I'm sure they're done interviewing by now. I heard of a few very good, young, WIAC alumni candidates that applied. I think it'd be great to get a WIAC alum in the position.
I thought they'd get a better group of finalists to be honest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 27, 2010, 11:01:52 AM
Post by: billys on April 27, 2010, 11:01:52 AM
I was just told Fischer from Parkside withdrew.
So I guess there's 4 names to choose from.
So I guess there's 4 names to choose from.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: palum on April 30, 2010, 09:46:45 AM
Post by: palum on April 30, 2010, 09:46:45 AM
From UWP's website,
Posted April 29, 2010
UW-Platteville will introduce its new women's basketball coach and physical education lecturer at a press conference Friday at 2 p.m. in the Platteville East and West Rooms in the Pioneer Student Center.
Posted April 29, 2010
UW-Platteville will introduce its new women's basketball coach and physical education lecturer at a press conference Friday at 2 p.m. in the Platteville East and West Rooms in the Pioneer Student Center.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on April 30, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on April 30, 2010, 01:59:14 PM
It will be former UWSP player and assistant coach Megan Wilson! Congrats Megan!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on April 30, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on April 30, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
yeahhhhh for Coach Wilson!!! Congrats! She's a native from down in SW Wisconsin, we'll see what she can do at UWP. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 01, 2010, 09:31:26 AM
Post by: billys on May 01, 2010, 09:31:26 AM
Can't wait to see hoopsjunkie's thoughts on this.
Honestly, I'm really surprised this was the best they can do. Nothing to do with who it is ... just not often a school in a top conference hires someone with just 2 years experience who wasn't even in coaching the year before.
I hope she does well but in a league like this with the considerable hole that has been dug there; Platteville might have a hard time clawing out.
Honestly, I'm really surprised this was the best they can do. Nothing to do with who it is ... just not often a school in a top conference hires someone with just 2 years experience who wasn't even in coaching the year before.
I hope she does well but in a league like this with the considerable hole that has been dug there; Platteville might have a hard time clawing out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on May 01, 2010, 09:52:53 AM
Post by: Just Bill on May 01, 2010, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: billys on May 01, 2010, 09:31:26 AM
Honestly, I'm really surprised this was the best they can do. Nothing to do with who it is ... just not often a school in a top conference hires someone with just 2 years experience who wasn't even in coaching the year before.
She was at UWSP for four years if that makes you feel better. She wasn't in coaching last year because her husband got a job opportunity and there wasn't anything open at the right time. Stuff happens.
UWP got the right person for this job.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: pickleshiner on May 02, 2010, 10:34:51 AM
Post by: pickleshiner on May 02, 2010, 10:34:51 AM
Anyone who played for legendary coach Shirley Egner and was an assistant coach under her is certainly qualified. She will turn the program around within the next 2-3 years. They had a few good players last year but I don't remember if they were seniors or underclassmen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on May 02, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: northernstar on May 02, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
I have two questions that I would like to open up to the general populatioin on this board that strongly follows the teams in the WIAC!
1) Which coach would you consider that is a strong advocate of a strong defensive style of game?
2) Which coach would you consider that plays the most disciplined/structured style of game?
I appreciate any feedback, as I am not familiar with the WIAC!
1) Which coach would you consider that is a strong advocate of a strong defensive style of game?
2) Which coach would you consider that plays the most disciplined/structured style of game?
I appreciate any feedback, as I am not familiar with the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 03, 2010, 11:11:12 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 03, 2010, 11:11:12 AM
Probably River Falls (Cindy Holbrook) and Eau Claire (Tonja Englund) are the most defensively minded teams. RF has led the league in scoring defense three of the last five years and finished fourth one other. EauClaire has led the league twice and finished second and third in two other years.
I personally think Eau Claire is most disciplined/structured offensively though Stevens Point (Shirley Enger) is a close second.
Both of Platteville's leading scorers, Nemitz and Stotmeister, are seniors as was Schneider who was fifth in scoring average. They do return Poad (FR, 3rd), Wolf (Jr, 4th) and Lawinger (Fr, 6th).
I personally think Eau Claire is most disciplined/structured offensively though Stevens Point (Shirley Enger) is a close second.
Both of Platteville's leading scorers, Nemitz and Stotmeister, are seniors as was Schneider who was fifth in scoring average. They do return Poad (FR, 3rd), Wolf (Jr, 4th) and Lawinger (Fr, 6th).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on May 03, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
Post by: northernstar on May 03, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
Thanks Badgerwarhawk, for the input!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 03, 2010, 12:19:10 PM
Post by: billys on May 03, 2010, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 03, 2010, 11:11:12 AMI would flip the two but agree; Point and EC the most disciplined offensively. Point is so consistent with what they do and who they plug in there; that's why they get my vote.
Probably River Falls (Cindy Holbrook) and Eau Claire (Tonja Englund) are the most defensively minded teams. RF has led the league in scoring defense three of the last five years and finished fourth one other. EauClaire has led the league twice and finished second and third in two other years.
I personally think Eau Claire is most disciplined/structured offensively though Stevens Point (Shirley Enger) is a close second.
Both of Platteville's leading scorers, Nemitz and Stotmeister, are seniors as was Schneider who was fifth in scoring average. They do return Poad (FR, 3rd), Wolf (Jr, 4th) and Lawinger (Fr, 6th).
I think it's extremely difficult to look at numbers and say who's the most "defensive-minded." The teams you mentioned along with La Crosse for the most part play a bit slower offensively (maybe not RF so much I didn't see them this year); which automatically lowers the defensive PPG. Whitewater recently and Stout during the Hendricks/Duoss years might not have finished at the top of the PPG stat but controlled the game and the tempo because of their defense. I'm not always convinced defensive field goal percentage is the answer because if you force a lot of turnovers you're not necessarily awarded in that stat either. Points per possession would probably be most accurate but we don't have that in stat crew. This year Stout was dead last in defensive PPG but 4th in defensive field goal perecentage. I'm not saying they were a great defensive team ... I'm just not sure it can be easily qualified.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on May 03, 2010, 02:05:32 PM
Post by: northernstar on May 03, 2010, 02:05:32 PM
I appreciate all the input. My daughter is looking to transfer to a school in this area, which is closer to home, after playing her freshman year in the Pacific Northwest in the Northwest Conference! She made the decision less than a week ago not to return to her previous college. We simply don't know a lot about the programs in the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 03, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Post by: billys on May 03, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Quote from: northernstar on May 03, 2010, 02:05:32 PMPM me and I can give you a contact who might be able to help answer your questions a little better ... and don't worry it's not a coach in the league who will try to sell to you ;D
I appreciate all the input. My daughter is looking to transfer to a school in this area, which is closer to home, after playing her freshman year in the Pacific Northwest in the Northwest Conference! She made the decision less than a week ago not to return to her previous college. We simply don't know a lot about the programs in the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on May 03, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
Post by: Usuallywrong24 on May 03, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
I would have to say that SP runs the best structured offense. It seems to change a little bit every year depending on personal. EC runs a good offense, but it seems like it more sets, which I think is hard to get into a flow on offense. Running a half-court offense with sets mixed in off dead ball situations is ideal in my mind. After all, many times last year EC had a very difficult time scoring, but that their youth most likely has more to do with that than anything.
Last year Stout pretty much forced the ball into Hirssig (really tough post) and she scored it. WW scored a lot with their senior guards. Both these teams might have a tough time scoring with what they have coming back this year, but I don't know who they really have coming back.
RF plays very good defense, as does EC, as they try to slow the game down more through a full court press this year. They don't pressure the ball, but just try to keep it in front of the. Stout and WW both tend to use a full court press to speed up the game and trap well. SP usually plays solid half-court defense and have had guards in the past who pressure the ball extremely well.
That being said, with a league of very good coaches, I would want my daughter to play for Coach Egner at SP. There is really no bad choice for the most part in this league, but I just like her style and passion. She doesn't let freshmen or sophomores wilt on the bench till their junior or senior year and she wins in the post-season. She is a proven winner and that team does a lot for the community.
Hope this helps out a little bit.
Last year Stout pretty much forced the ball into Hirssig (really tough post) and she scored it. WW scored a lot with their senior guards. Both these teams might have a tough time scoring with what they have coming back this year, but I don't know who they really have coming back.
RF plays very good defense, as does EC, as they try to slow the game down more through a full court press this year. They don't pressure the ball, but just try to keep it in front of the. Stout and WW both tend to use a full court press to speed up the game and trap well. SP usually plays solid half-court defense and have had guards in the past who pressure the ball extremely well.
That being said, with a league of very good coaches, I would want my daughter to play for Coach Egner at SP. There is really no bad choice for the most part in this league, but I just like her style and passion. She doesn't let freshmen or sophomores wilt on the bench till their junior or senior year and she wins in the post-season. She is a proven winner and that team does a lot for the community.
Hope this helps out a little bit.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on May 04, 2010, 12:21:39 AM
Post by: bulk19 on May 04, 2010, 12:21:39 AM
northernstar =
Don't forget the academics part of your "student-athlete." ;)
I'm not sure I can speak for the certain areas that each school has as strengths regarding possible majors, but that is something to look into to see what a good fit might be from that aspect...
Also, depending on if you are from a small town, or a larger town, the size of the city the WIAC school is in might make your daughter feel more at home, too...
But the WIAC is a great conference for those of us whom like to watch women's basketball, that's for sure.
Welcome aboard, if that is indeed the case!
Don't forget the academics part of your "student-athlete." ;)
I'm not sure I can speak for the certain areas that each school has as strengths regarding possible majors, but that is something to look into to see what a good fit might be from that aspect...
Also, depending on if you are from a small town, or a larger town, the size of the city the WIAC school is in might make your daughter feel more at home, too...
But the WIAC is a great conference for those of us whom like to watch women's basketball, that's for sure.
Welcome aboard, if that is indeed the case!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on May 04, 2010, 08:34:34 AM
Post by: The Champ on May 04, 2010, 08:34:34 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on May 04, 2010, 12:21:39 AM
Don't forget the academics part of your "student-athlete."
An excellent point.
There aren't any athletic scholarships in the WIAC, so the primary thing should be getting a quality education while actually playing the sport you love.
So, her choice of major should be of some importance in the selection of the school, as well as the placement rate of graduates. It's great to get a degree, but if your education doesn't help you get a job in your major - what good is it?
There are several very excellent schools in the WIAC, and several excellent WBB programs.
If you haven't already found it, I suggest that you look at the WIAC WBB website:
http://www.wiacsports.com/wbasket/index.html
There is a wealth of knowledge that can be gleaned from that site about the various programs (offensive, defensive, etc.) and the stability of their WBB programs.
Hope that you daughter can find the right school and be part of the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on May 04, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
Post by: northernstar on May 04, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
Again, I am very grateful for all of the input. She comes home from the Pacific Northwest on the 14th of the month, and is planning to try and visit some of the schools in the WIAC the following week.
She is an Education Major, and that is definitely a strong consideration for school, as that will be her career for life after college is over.
The input has been very helpful!
She is an Education Major, and that is definitely a strong consideration for school, as that will be her career for life after college is over.
The input has been very helpful!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 04, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 04, 2010, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: northernstar on May 04, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
She is an Education Major, and that is definitely a strong consideration for school, as that will be her career for life after college is over.
Then she should definitely check out UW-WHITEWATER
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on May 04, 2010, 09:43:32 AM
Post by: Just Bill on May 04, 2010, 09:43:32 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 04, 2010, 09:32:45 AMQuote from: northernstar on May 04, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
She is an Education Major, and that is definitely a strong consideration for school, as that will be her career for life after college is over.
Then she should definitely check out UW-WHITEWATER
What a homer. ;) It doesn't matter what major you named, BW would have said that anyway.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on May 04, 2010, 11:55:24 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on May 04, 2010, 11:55:24 AM
And at some schools, she can even be buried as far as 20 deep on a roster! If that's what she wants, you can also refer to badgerwarhawk's last post. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on May 05, 2010, 12:54:01 PM
Post by: northernstar on May 05, 2010, 12:54:01 PM
Thanks for all the input. She has picked several schools and has contacted coaches to visit. You all have been a wealth of information that will help her make a decision.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 05, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 05, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
Good luck to her.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 06, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 06, 2010, 06:12:40 PM
I hope everyone missed me, the hater is back in the house! I know someone was saying they couldn't wait to hear my thoughts on the Platteville situation. Good move in making a change, I gotta think this new coach will be a bit more pro active on the recruiting front then the last one. Also heard Kuhle is trying to sue UWP for wrongful termination. I don't know how wrong it is to fire a coach that never finished higher then 7th in a 9 team league. Easy to be critical, but come on, this was about results, nothing else.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on May 07, 2010, 12:54:03 PM
Post by: billys on May 07, 2010, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on May 06, 2010, 06:12:40 PMSeems like that will be pretty difficult. Aren't state contracts at these schools year-by-year ... therefore it's a renewal process. I'm not sure they need much reason to non-renew. But you're right, this wouldn't be a tough one to argue from Platteville's side. I still think it's a difficult place to get girls to attend, so we'll see if Wilson can figure out a way.
I hope everyone missed me, the hater is back in the house! I know someone was saying they couldn't wait to hear my thoughts on the Platteville situation. Good move in making a change, I gotta think this new coach will be a bit more pro active on the recruiting front then the last one. Also heard Kuhle is trying to sue UWP for wrongful termination. I don't know how wrong it is to fire a coach that never finished higher then 7th in a 9 team league. Easy to be critical, but come on, this was about results, nothing else.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on May 07, 2010, 01:34:03 PM
Post by: Just Bill on May 07, 2010, 01:34:03 PM
The people in SW Wisconsin seem to believe that their region has a wealth of girls basketball talent for UWP to tap into, but as an outsider I've just never seen that area of the state that way. I think it comes from the success of the small school programs down there like Cuba City, Barneveld, Pecatonica, Black Hawk, etc.
If you think about it, UWP is already getting much of the best talent from that area, but what has it amounted to for them? Other than Tiff Flesch I can't think of a real top tier WIAC player from that part of the state that played at UWP.
I think Wilson will need to hang on to the good local kids, but reach out further to pull in her best players.
If you think about it, UWP is already getting much of the best talent from that area, but what has it amounted to for them? Other than Tiff Flesch I can't think of a real top tier WIAC player from that part of the state that played at UWP.
I think Wilson will need to hang on to the good local kids, but reach out further to pull in her best players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 07, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 07, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
In order to get top tier d3 kids, Platteville needs to get Madison area kids. No doubt there are some very good d3 and d4 programs in that part of the state, but there are probably about 5-6 kids total (that might be generous) every year in the state of WI that come from d4 schools and actually make it as college players. To go 25-0 in the WIAA at the division 3 level and in the SWAL conference doesn't mean you're putting out players like the Madison/Milwaukee/Fox Cities schools are. If a kid is a good D1 WIAA player, they will be more then ready to compete at the D3 college level, whereas many smaller school kids need more time to adjust and to learn how hard to play at that level. Point being, you've gotta branch out and get kids from bigger schools. Kuhle waited for players to come to her and that obviously didn't work out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: pickleshiner on May 16, 2010, 10:53:52 PM
Post by: pickleshiner on May 16, 2010, 10:53:52 PM
Anyone think Jenna Pitt will make an impact at UWSP this fall coming off major knee surgery? I'm very curious to see how she bounces back and am anticipating her getting a lot of minutes as a freshman.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on May 21, 2010, 08:26:49 AM
Post by: The Champ on May 21, 2010, 08:26:49 AM
When I was over helping Coach T at the race track last week, I got to see the Josten's trophy that recently arrived for Julia Hirssig.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi128.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp161%2FChamps1820%2FDSC_0115_edited-1.jpg&hash=25908526022680c52bbd13d798a6694f638e4a35)
Weighs in at about 65 pounds - that granite is HEAVY... ;)
Julia was walked across the stage for graduation in the afternoon session on Saturday, so I didn't get a chance to see her - or her ring.
The ring should look something like this:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.odaconline.com%2Fjostens%2Fphotos%2Fd3ballsmall.JPG%3Fmax_height%3D216%26amp%3Bmax_width%3D175&hash=fa3ef4af6157e4a175a082fde5d3a5a4e0266530)
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi128.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp161%2FChamps1820%2FDSC_0115_edited-1.jpg&hash=25908526022680c52bbd13d798a6694f638e4a35)
Weighs in at about 65 pounds - that granite is HEAVY... ;)
Julia was walked across the stage for graduation in the afternoon session on Saturday, so I didn't get a chance to see her - or her ring.
The ring should look something like this:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.odaconline.com%2Fjostens%2Fphotos%2Fd3ballsmall.JPG%3Fmax_height%3D216%26amp%3Bmax_width%3D175&hash=fa3ef4af6157e4a175a082fde5d3a5a4e0266530)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 31, 2010, 08:13:32 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on May 31, 2010, 08:13:32 PM
Former DC Everest standout and Winona State player, Sam Barber will be transferring to UWSP for the coming season. That's a huge pick up for Point! Barber has 3 years of eligibility left and will probably be a 3 time all conference player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 01:47:02 PM
Post by: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 01:47:02 PM
Thanks to all fans of WIAC Womens Basketball for thier input and guidance. My daughter visited a number of WIAC schools this past week. Made her decision over the weekend, and was accepted this morning to her choice.
This looks like a great place to be, based on the info/help that was offered. :D
This looks like a great place to be, based on the info/help that was offered. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2010, 01:52:28 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2010, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 01:47:02 PMCome, come. We'll figure it out sooner or later. Who'd she pick? Clearly you've done your research so no one will be critical for doing what's right for her.
Thanks to all fans of WIAC Womens Basketball for thier input and guidance. My daughter visited a number of WIAC schools this past week. Made her decision over the weekend, and was accepted this morning to her choice.
This looks like a great place to be, based on the info/help that was offered. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 03:14:42 PM
Post by: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 03:14:42 PM
UW - River Falls!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2010, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 01, 2010, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 03:14:42 PMExcellent. Congrats on your daughters' choice.
UW - River Falls!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on June 01, 2010, 03:22:19 PM
Post by: bulk19 on June 01, 2010, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: northernstar on June 01, 2010, 03:14:42 PM
UW - River Falls!
Boo! ;) (Blugold fan here. Ha.)
Welcome aboard to you, your family and, of course, your daughter...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 01, 2010, 08:50:40 PM
Post by: billys on June 01, 2010, 08:50:40 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on May 31, 2010, 08:13:32 PMI believe that cements SP's status as conference favorite.
Former DC Everest standout and Winona State player, Sam Barber will be transferring to UWSP for the coming season. That's a huge pick up for Point! Barber has 3 years of eligibility left and will probably be a 3 time all conference player.
Should at least bump them up a spot from 4th on that one list we talked about earlier this Spring.
Barber should be a great WIAC player. I always thought she was too slow for scholarship ball and not quite athletic enough. She'll be great for Point. Does like to shoot a lot but they will be able to use her scoring.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 02, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
Post by: billys on June 02, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
Just heard this morning that the Barber kid to UWSP is not a done deal, they may be looking around a little more yet. I see wissports.net is reporting it but I think used the word "likely."
hoopsjunkie- I assume you heard it from a pretty reliable source?
hoopsjunkie- I assume you heard it from a pretty reliable source?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on June 02, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on June 02, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
Yea, heard it from several different sources. If she went d3 I don't know where else she would go. Seems to me that the kids from that area have tunnel vision on UWSP only. Me personally, I think she is a good d2 type kid and needed to wait 1 more year to get on the floor. 5'10 w/big time physical strength that can shoot the 3, come on. Maybe Winona isn't the right place for her but there's a school out there in d2 that she could play major minutes for as a sophomore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 07, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
Post by: billys on June 07, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
Wasn't sure where else to post this but I'll try here.
Is anyone aware of the type of scholarship money a program like Cardinal Stritch has? I see they put together a nice class again this year and have some nice success at their level. Just curious if any of you with daughters who played (or just insights in general) would have any idea. It looks like about 28-30 grand a year to go there.
It looks like they have a really good incoming freshman academic scholarship set-up. Just wondering how private schools are surviving (and thriving) in this economy. Not to mention the fact they have an awful facility to play in.
Is anyone aware of the type of scholarship money a program like Cardinal Stritch has? I see they put together a nice class again this year and have some nice success at their level. Just curious if any of you with daughters who played (or just insights in general) would have any idea. It looks like about 28-30 grand a year to go there.
It looks like they have a really good incoming freshman academic scholarship set-up. Just wondering how private schools are surviving (and thriving) in this economy. Not to mention the fact they have an awful facility to play in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 08, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 08, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
Michigan Tech's head coach John Barnes has resigned to become Lisa Stone's assistant at Wisconsin. I mention it because MTU and Barnes have pulled in a good number of Wisconsin recruits over the years. I'm wondering if some of those MTU kids might be looking at transferring to WIAC and Wisconsin schools.
The one that stands out to me is Katie Glodowski from Amherst. She redshirted at MTU and UWSP already has Clare Glodowski (I think they are cousins, not sisters) on their roster.
The coaching move was just announced today so it's too early for any action, but it wouldn't suprise if there was some later.
The one that stands out to me is Katie Glodowski from Amherst. She redshirted at MTU and UWSP already has Clare Glodowski (I think they are cousins, not sisters) on their roster.
The coaching move was just announced today so it's too early for any action, but it wouldn't suprise if there was some later.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on June 08, 2010, 04:50:35 PM
Post by: jam8788 on June 08, 2010, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: billys on June 07, 2010, 11:50:59 AM
Wasn't sure where else to post this but I'll try here.
Is anyone aware of the type of scholarship money a program like Cardinal Stritch has? I see they put together a nice class again this year and have some nice success at their level. Just curious if any of you with daughters who played (or just insights in general) would have any idea. It looks like about 28-30 grand a year to go there.
It looks like they have a really good incoming freshman academic scholarship set-up. Just wondering how private schools are surviving (and thriving) in this economy. Not to mention the fact they have an awful facility to play in.
CS throws quite a bit of money at traditional students. Since the university makes a fortune off of night and weekend classes (non-traditional students), they try to get as many traditional full-time students as possible by handing out competitive financial awards.
What makes the womens basketball program so great is that Coach Panella recruits the same kid every year - the one that is scared to go far from home and doesn't want to be on a large campus. His players like to go home on the weekends, get dinner with mom and dad on weeknights, and live a relatively quiet existence on campus. He gets that same kid every single year - the guy's a pro recruiter.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on June 08, 2010, 04:53:08 PM
Post by: jam8788 on June 08, 2010, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on June 08, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
Michigan Tech's head coach John Barnes has resigned to become Lisa Stone's assistant at Wisconsin. I mention it because MTU and Barnes have pulled in a good number of Wisconsin recruits over the years. I'm wondering if some of those MTU kids might be looking at transferring to WIAC and Wisconsin schools.
Thank goodness Barnes is finally at a Wisconsin college... he's been taking players out of the state for years! Now we can keep them!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: palum on June 10, 2010, 11:03:42 AM
Post by: palum on June 10, 2010, 11:03:42 AM
Nice Q & A in Wisconsin Sports Network with Platteville's new womens BB Coach Megan Wilson
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1157960
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1157960
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on June 10, 2010, 04:17:13 PM
Post by: billys on June 10, 2010, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on June 08, 2010, 04:53:08 PMHe's had a hard time getting the good kids since Parkside has gotten good and Winona has started coming in Wisconsin. Aside from Sam Hoyt he hasn't got a really good D2 Wisconsin kid in awhile. They had 5 seniors doing their legwork last year and were going to struggle next year. Not saying that has anything to do with why he left but I'm sure it made the timing much easier.Quote from: Just Bill on June 08, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
Michigan Tech's head coach John Barnes has resigned to become Lisa Stone's assistant at Wisconsin. I mention it because MTU and Barnes have pulled in a good number of Wisconsin recruits over the years. I'm wondering if some of those MTU kids might be looking at transferring to WIAC and Wisconsin schools.
Thank goodness Barnes is finally at a Wisconsin college... he's been taking players out of the state for years! Now we can keep them!
As far as Glodowski goes she'd be a lot better fit for the WIAC. But Michigan Tech is pretty well funded so she may be getting a good size scholarship.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on June 21, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on June 21, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
Coach Barnes did an outstanding job in his time at Tech and Sam Hoyt was a steal of a recruit for them. In his 2010 recruiting class he also signed 6'4 Emily Harrison. Harrison flew under the recruiting radar all along and has the ability to play at the major D1 level. Wisconsin and several other division 1 schools tried to sign her at the last minute but were unable to do so because Tech has the exact major she was looking for. She will probably be an all-american there in the future. Getting a player of her caliber/ability level was a MAJOR steal for a d2 school. I think people will see that Emily will be one of Barnes' best recruits yet. UW is getting a solid coach in Barnes and it'll be interesting to see if the new head coach can continue the winning ways up there in the U.P.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on July 15, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
Post by: billys on July 15, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
If I were a betting man I might call that Harrison for All-American proclamation.
Anyway, noise from Stout
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2010/7/15/WBB_0715105603.aspx
Interesting; seems like it's taken a major transfer to win this league the past few years. I'm not sure if any of these are good enough to put Stout on top. That said, Point will have a major impact transfer to keep that streak alive!
Anyway, noise from Stout
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2010/7/15/WBB_0715105603.aspx
Interesting; seems like it's taken a major transfer to win this league the past few years. I'm not sure if any of these are good enough to put Stout on top. That said, Point will have a major impact transfer to keep that streak alive!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Post by: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Quote from: billys on July 15, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
If I were a betting man I might call that Harrison for All-American proclamation.
Anyway, noise from Stout
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2010/7/15/WBB_0715105603.aspx
Interesting; seems like it's taken a major transfer to win this league the past few years. I'm not sure if any of these are good enough to put Stout on top. That said, Point will have a major impact transfer to keep that streak alive!
Always curious when you pick up a senior transfer to play a single year. Could her previous school be so bad that she could put up with three seasons, but not four?
Share the Point news when you can! I love recruiting buzz.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on July 16, 2010, 11:03:58 AM
Post by: billys on July 16, 2010, 11:03:58 AM
Judging by Layman's stats ... it was that bad. 6 GP for 30 min total. Not sure if it was all DNP-CD's or if she was injured but I know after winning the national title that program has begun to regress a tad. My guess is she wanted more than 30 minutes as a senior!
The Point mention was just a confirmation of Sam Barber transferring as previously mentioned on her awhile back. She is fits Point perfectly and will make a major impact and hoopsjunkie said.
Still haven't heard much from the other schools. Whitewater has been very quiet of late.
The Point mention was just a confirmation of Sam Barber transferring as previously mentioned on her awhile back. She is fits Point perfectly and will make a major impact and hoopsjunkie said.
Still haven't heard much from the other schools. Whitewater has been very quiet of late.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 16, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 16, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
WHITEWATER typically doesn't talk about recruits until they are actually enrolled and attending classes at the university. However perhaps the biggest addition to the lady WARHAWKS will be the return of Dana Thompson. Granted a medical redshirt last year she'll be back for one more go round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 08, 2010, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 08, 2010, 02:20:59 PM
Point announces recruiting class
http://wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1169068
http://wissports.net/sports/hoopsg/blog/message.aspx?f=122&id=1169068
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 06:48:14 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Could her previous school be so bad that she could put up with three seasons, but not four?
Share the Point news when you can! I love recruiting buzz.
It's a scholarship program, so yes, I could see that being possible.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on August 09, 2010, 07:48:48 PM
Post by: Bears rule on August 09, 2010, 07:48:48 PM
Stevens Point looks tough with that class and transfers added to last years team.
Just hand them the trophy....... wait lets see what EC and WW have in store for this year. I bet both brought in some transfers and plenty of recruits.
LX has almost everyone back to. A stud transfer for them will make them tough to.
Well here we go again, I think is will be a 5-6 team race as every year is.
Just hand them the trophy....... wait lets see what EC and WW have in store for this year. I bet both brought in some transfers and plenty of recruits.
LX has almost everyone back to. A stud transfer for them will make them tough to.
Well here we go again, I think is will be a 5-6 team race as every year is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on August 11, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
Post by: billys on August 11, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 06:48:14 PM???Quote from: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Could her previous school be so bad that she could put up with three seasons, but not four?
Share the Point news when you can! I love recruiting buzz.
It's a scholarship program, so yes, I could see that being possible.
Care to elaborate?
Maybe I'm reading that wrong but it comes off as a pretty rash, sweeping generalization.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 11, 2010, 10:15:17 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 11, 2010, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: billys on August 11, 2010, 08:04:48 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 06:48:14 PM???Quote from: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Could her previous school be so bad that she could put up with three seasons, but not four?
Share the Point news when you can! I love recruiting buzz.
It's a scholarship program, so yes, I could see that being possible.
Care to elaborate?
Maybe I'm reading that wrong but it comes off as a pretty rash, sweeping generalization.
I think Pat was simply pointing out that a student might put up with an 'intolerable' situation quite a while if their tuition is free. But might finally go for ONE good year, whatever the cost.
Simply a guess - I know NOTHING about this particular situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on August 13, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Post by: billys on August 13, 2010, 06:17:06 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on August 11, 2010, 10:15:17 PMI gotcha ... Thanks, I hadn't seen that perspective. I thought it was a shot at scholarship programs as in they treat kids poorly and create bad situations. That makes sense.Quote from: billys on August 11, 2010, 08:04:48 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 06:48:14 PM???Quote from: Just Bill on July 15, 2010, 12:51:49 PM
Could her previous school be so bad that she could put up with three seasons, but not four?
Share the Point news when you can! I love recruiting buzz.
It's a scholarship program, so yes, I could see that being possible.
Care to elaborate?
Maybe I'm reading that wrong but it comes off as a pretty rash, sweeping generalization.
I think Pat was simply pointing out that a student might put up with an 'intolerable' situation quite a while if their tuition is free. But might finally go for ONE good year, whatever the cost.
Simply a guess - I know NOTHING about this particular situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on August 17, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
Post by: jam8788 on August 17, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
University of Wisconsin-La Crosse has chosen Josh Whitman as its new athletic director.
http://www.wiacsports.com/press/JoshWhitmanLaCrosse.html
http://www.wiacsports.com/press/JoshWhitmanLaCrosse.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on August 18, 2010, 07:42:37 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on August 18, 2010, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: jam8788 on August 17, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
University of Wisconsin-La Crosse has chosen Josh Whitman as its new athletic director.
http://www.wiacsports.com/press/JoshWhitmanLaCrosse.html
Seems like a good choice. Time will tell. They had 4 very good final candidates for the position as they were running capsules of each in the local paper over the last few weeks.
Any athletic department hiring is a plus these days. I saw St. Cloud State was considering cutting it's football program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on August 18, 2010, 10:59:07 PM
Post by: billys on August 18, 2010, 10:59:07 PM
Great hire for La Crosse. They are extremely excited about who they got but aren't expecting to have him for a long time. At 32 the guy has already built a heck of a resume.
Heard news about a big transfer that will make an impact in the league. There's your teaser ... stay tuned.
Heard news about a big transfer that will make an impact in the league. There's your teaser ... stay tuned.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on August 21, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: billys on August 21, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
The buzz is that River Falls is going to be getting an impact post player from Division 1. Not sure if it's all done yet but it's going to happen. When I hear for sure that it's done I'll post again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: roaringtwenties on August 22, 2010, 12:46:41 PM
Post by: roaringtwenties on August 22, 2010, 12:46:41 PM
Depending on the player, that should probably put River Falls into the mix as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 29, 2010, 08:00:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 29, 2010, 08:00:04 PM
WARHAWK schedule...http://www.uwwsports.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball&
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kestrel on September 03, 2010, 12:12:31 AM
Post by: kestrel on September 03, 2010, 12:12:31 AM
UWRF transfer = Danielle Jorgenson, 6'3 center from UWM. where she started 16 games as a sophomore.---two-time conference POY at La Crosse Logan.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 07, 2010, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 07, 2010, 09:17:00 PM
First time poster here. What does everyone think of the off season? Anyone here of WW's new additions? Looks like a lot of impact transfers.
Based on what I know, and its very little, here is what I think the predicted order will be.
Stevens Point
La Crosse
River Falls
Eau Claire
Stout
Oshkosh
WW
Platteville
Superior
Any thoughts?
Based on what I know, and its very little, here is what I think the predicted order will be.
Stevens Point
La Crosse
River Falls
Eau Claire
Stout
Oshkosh
WW
Platteville
Superior
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on September 07, 2010, 11:18:41 PM
Post by: Bears rule on September 07, 2010, 11:18:41 PM
Out_Of_My_Kitchen
I think you have WW all wrong, they will be in the top half, you can move Stout down a few too.
WW will have inpact recruits, Dani Thompson is back and transfers will help
SP is the favorite, lost one senior playing 15 minutes per game, a great recruiting class and high level transfer.
LX may be right in their shorts, LX has a great transfer I hear and did not lose much.
EC was great to end the year, young kids getting older. Again great transfer I hear.
Stout lost a lot.
RF lost two impact seniors last year who started 3-4 years.
Sup will be tougher
Osh and Plat I just don't know
I think you have WW all wrong, they will be in the top half, you can move Stout down a few too.
WW will have inpact recruits, Dani Thompson is back and transfers will help
SP is the favorite, lost one senior playing 15 minutes per game, a great recruiting class and high level transfer.
LX may be right in their shorts, LX has a great transfer I hear and did not lose much.
EC was great to end the year, young kids getting older. Again great transfer I hear.
Stout lost a lot.
RF lost two impact seniors last year who started 3-4 years.
Sup will be tougher
Osh and Plat I just don't know
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 08, 2010, 07:46:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 08, 2010, 07:46:54 AM
Quote from: Bears rule on September 07, 2010, 11:18:41 PM
you can move Stout down a few too.
He/she has Stout in 5th place. You expect Stout to finish 7th or worse?
Quote
Stout lost a lot.
Have to agree with you that Stout lost some very good players. But that's something that most good teams do after most seasons.
But what did they add?
from the UW Stout WBB website:
2010-11 UW-Stout Women's Basketball Recruiting Class
Name Pos Ht Yr Hometown/High School and/or Previous School
Gretta Layman C 6-2 Sr Chippewa Falls/Minn State-Mankato
Heather Byl G 5-8 So Amery/Hamline University
Brittni Hover G 5-7 So Dallas/Clayton HS/St. Mary's University
Whitney Rawdon F 5-10 So Eau Claire/North/Northwest Missouri
Rachel Berkeris F 5-10 Fr West Allis/Hale
Rachel Hanley PG 5-6 Fr Minong/Northwoods
Megan Hayman F 5-11 Fr Forest Lake, MN/Forest Lake
Alexa Herasimchuk G 5-9 Fr Whitefish Bay/Whitefish Bay
Holly Hofland G 5-6 Fr Circle Pines, MN/Centennial
Aspen Marleau PG 5-4 Fr Deer River, MN/Deer River
Keyana Mirbaghri G 5-7 Fr Champlin, MN/Totino-Grace
Dani Reindahl G 5-8 Fr Clayton/Clayton
Brittany Scharmer G 5-8 Fr Winona, MN/Winona
Sami Schoeder G 5-8 Fr Durand/Durand
Transfers joining the Stout program include Gretta Layman (Sr, Chippewa Falls), a center who played three seasons at NCAA Division II Minnesota State, Mankato; Heather Byl (So, Amery), a guard who played at Hamline University; Whitney Rawdon (So, Eau Claire/North), a forward who played at Division II Northwest Missouri State; and Brittni Hover (So, Dallas/Clayton) who played at UW-Eau Claire and was at St. Mary's University.
Layman, at 6-foot, 2-inches, will bring a strong presence in the paint. Layman helped lead Chippewa Falls High School to their first state appearance during her junior year.
As a freshman at Northwest Missouri, Rawdon saw action in 16 games. During her high school career, her Eau Claire North teams won two conference titles and two regional championships. An all-around athlete, Rawdon was a state qualifier in track and golf.
Byl was a four-time all-conference guard at Amery High School, breaking 1000 points during her career. Byl also advanced to the state track tournament three years. Hover was the Clayton High School team MVP for four years, the same four years the Bears won the conference title. Hover was a two-time Division 4 all-state player who broke 1000 points for her career.
Among the freshmen, Thomas lists eight guards and two forwards.
The guards include: Sami Schoeder (Durand); Rachel Hanley (Minong/Northwoods); Dani Reindahl (Clayton); Alexa Herasimchuk (Whitefish Bay); Brittany Scharmer (Winona, Minn); Holly Hofland (Circle Pines, Minn/Centennial); Aspen Marleau (Deer River, Minn); and Keyana Mirbaghri (Champlin, Minn/Totino-Grace). Hanley and Marlau are listed as point guards.
The forwards include: Megan Hayman (Forest Lake, Minn) and Rachel Berkeris (West Allis/Hale).
Schoeder is a four-time all-conference selection and was a first team all-state selection by two different selection groups. She was the Middle Border conference player of the year, as well as the All-Northwest player of the year, as selected by the Leader-Telegram in Eau Claire. Schoeder averaged 18.7 points per game during her senior year and broke the 1000 point mark.
Hanley and Reindahl were very familiar with each other. Hanley and Reindahl met each other at least twice during the regular season, with Northwoods and Clayton both playing in the Central Lakeland Conference.
Hanley averaged 12.5 points per game and helped her team advance to the Wisconsin state basketball tournament for the first time school history.
During Reindahl's four years, Clayton High School never lost more than four games in a single season.
************************************************
Things might not be as grim for Stout as you think....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on September 08, 2010, 08:45:59 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on September 08, 2010, 08:45:59 AM
Since Champ is getting defensive already and it's barely even September.... I might as well make my pre-preseason predictions
1. Point
2. Lax
3,4,5,6,7,8
9. Stout
These are subject to change.
1. Point
2. Lax
3,4,5,6,7,8
9. Stout
These are subject to change.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on September 08, 2010, 11:16:26 AM
Post by: billys on September 08, 2010, 11:16:26 AM
Everyone's incoming class sounds good in the press release. I've had a lot of people in the league tell me they're anticipating a step down for Stout.
Anyway- Who are these transfers for UWL and UWEC? Inquiring minds want to know!
Anyway- Who are these transfers for UWL and UWEC? Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: roaringtwenties on September 08, 2010, 01:44:41 PM
Post by: roaringtwenties on September 08, 2010, 01:44:41 PM
Sounds like a lot of changes/additions to most of the teams in the league. With all of the new players, it will truly be very difficult to make predictions about the order of finish. Sometimes players don't live up to the hype, and sometimes players not thought about, bring things to the table that are unexpected.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 09, 2010, 06:44:23 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 09, 2010, 06:44:23 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on September 08, 2010, 08:45:59 AM
Since Champ is getting defensive already and it's barely even September....
Defensive???
I questioned Bears rule projecting Stout to finish a couple places lower than Out_Of_My_Kitchen posted.
I agreed with that Stout has lost a lot.
I listed some additions that Bears rule might not have been aware of.
A model of being defensive is you after posting: " Can't figure out why Mesick is playing D3 basketball. She would be a welcome addition to a ton of D2 teams. Wouldn't be a stretch to say she is the best D3 player I have ever seen play over the last 4 years."
Now that was defensive.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on September 09, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on September 09, 2010, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: The Champ on September 09, 2010, 06:44:23 AMQuote from: PRF2009A on September 08, 2010, 08:45:59 AM
Since Champ is getting defensive already and it's barely even September....
Defensive???
Yes, defensive was definitely the word I was looking for.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 10, 2010, 07:28:53 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 10, 2010, 07:28:53 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on September 09, 2010, 08:43:17 AMYes, defensive was definitely the word I was looking for.
I have no doubt that it was the word you were looking for - as you were trying to start some crap...
What's funny, is that in attempting to start some crap after a legitimate well thought out post, you just exposed youself (again) as the one who is hyper defensive and totally incapable of intelligent sports discussion.... :D
When you made your post quoted above - and people corrected you - your response: "Thank you everyone for pointing out your team's best players. Discussing elite players/coaches seems to be quite a touchy subject in Wisconsin..."
Of course, that was a terribly incorrect assessment based on the first responses to your post:
Quote from: ChampI have to agree that Mesick is a very good player.
But you haven't watched much WIAC Women's BB if she is the best player you have seen play over the last 4 years.
I think one could argue that she hasn't even been the best player on her own team over the last 4 years.
Players like Heidi Arciszewski, Michelle Burns and Heather Witt could seriously contend for that distinction.
Quote from: Just BillThere's a LOT of WIAC players in recent history who would have succeeded at D-II. Even some that would have done well at a mid-major D-I.
In his response, Badger Warhawk did mention a player from his favorite team - but had another player listed first:
QuoteMcKenzie Hunter, Tiffany Morton
When you make a bold post (as above) and get questioned about it - and then have to make up lies to make up lies in order to defend your post - that is being hyper defensive...
Exposed - again... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on September 10, 2010, 08:58:54 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on September 10, 2010, 08:58:54 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PMQuote from: The Champ on February 24, 2010, 06:50:20 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2010, 12:38:48 PMYour wish is my command. :D ;)
I thought of doing something like that, but decided against it.
Hilarious.... ;D
Now you're going to be on his crap list too - especially if you don't go on and on how GREAT Messick plays tomorrow night....
Did you know, she's the greatest player in the WIAC over the last 5 years... ::)
Not on my crap list, not worried about how Messick plays tomorrow, already stated I was just complimenting a competitor, not sure what else you want to hear, will be more careful about complimenting players outside of Stout.
Good luck to all teams playing tomorrow night. Signing off until next year. Peace and safety to all, including Champ.
I thought you had been establishing that my Mesick comment was out of line for the last year so there really isn't anything to expose.
Again, I apologize for any hard feelings that comment caused you. I hope you can one day get over it
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on September 10, 2010, 09:20:43 AM
Post by: Just Bill on September 10, 2010, 09:20:43 AM
Flag on the play. Penalty for useless rehashing of a six-month old argument. Five yard penalty to both of you, repeat the down.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on September 10, 2010, 03:13:32 PM
Post by: buf on September 10, 2010, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on September 10, 2010, 09:20:43 AM
Flag on the play. Penalty for useless rehashing of a six-month old argument. Five yard penalty to both of you, repeat the down.
I think that penalty includes "loss of down"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on September 10, 2010, 04:34:57 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on September 10, 2010, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: buf on September 10, 2010, 03:13:32 PMQuote from: Just Bill on September 10, 2010, 09:20:43 AM
Flag on the play. Penalty for useless rehashing of a six-month old argument. Five yard penalty to both of you, repeat the down.
I think that penalty includes "loss of down"
Penalty graciously accepted. Tacking on self imposed 1 month ban to WB-WIAC Board. Hopefully no teams have injuries during camp. See you when the season starts!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on September 10, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on September 10, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
I think SOME people are overly optimistic as to just how talented their team(s) will be this coming year. Yes, Stout has once again brought in a small country's worth of players, however a lot of those names mentioned, including transfers are not going to be enough to replace the class that they just lost. Nothing against the kids that they've brought in, but those players are a step down from what they've had in the past. Make no mistake, this is UWSP's race to lose. After that, and perhaps the most talent laden team in the WIAC in 2010-11 is UWRF. RF has the toughness, athleticism and size to beat anyone in D3. Here's my predicted order of finish...
1. UWSP
2. UWRF
3. UWW
4. Lax
5. EC
6. Stout
7. Oshkosh
8. Platteville
9. Superior
I see EC, Stout and Oshkosh all battling it out for slots 5-7, those spots are really a coin flip.
1. UWSP
2. UWRF
3. UWW
4. Lax
5. EC
6. Stout
7. Oshkosh
8. Platteville
9. Superior
I see EC, Stout and Oshkosh all battling it out for slots 5-7, those spots are really a coin flip.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on September 10, 2010, 11:12:16 PM
Post by: Bears rule on September 10, 2010, 11:12:16 PM
Hoop Junkie,
UWRF? What happened with them last year? Won there first 10-15 games and fell apart. They lost two seniors starters, I just do not see it.
UWSP and everyone else, agree. Last year Coach Enger did a great job coaching them up to get the team where she did, this year, she could only mess it up by over caoching. They are LOADED.
UWRF? What happened with them last year? Won there first 10-15 games and fell apart. They lost two seniors starters, I just do not see it.
UWSP and everyone else, agree. Last year Coach Enger did a great job coaching them up to get the team where she did, this year, she could only mess it up by over caoching. They are LOADED.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 11, 2010, 08:21:03 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 11, 2010, 08:21:03 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on September 10, 2010, 09:20:43 AM
Flag on the play. Penalty for useless rehashing of a six-month old argument. Five yard penalty to both of you, repeat the down.
Only brought up the old argument as someone got into posting worthless crap.
I apologize to the rest of you for my part in the distraction.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 11, 2010, 08:44:41 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 11, 2010, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on September 10, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
I think SOME people are overly optimistic as to just how talented their team(s) will be this coming year. Yes, Stout has once again brought in a small country's worth of players, however a lot of those names mentioned, including transfers are not going to be enough to replace the class that they just lost.
I agreed (in my original post on the topic) that Stout lost a lot. No argument there. I didn't try and say that the new crop of recruits will make Stout an immediate contender for the WIAC crown.
What I did say, was: "Things might not be as grim for Stout as you think...."
Stout finished 10 - 6 last year and in a tie for 4th place. 7th place (the placement that I had a problem with) was 5 - 11 last year.
I think it will be tough for Stout to improve on last year's record. But I don't see them dropping from 10 - 6 to 5 - 11 (average record of 7th place team in the WIAC over the last decade).
That is the point that I tried to make, before someone started throwing crap around.
This board is intended to discuss the sport. That is what I did in my original post on the topic.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on September 11, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Post by: billys on September 11, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on September 10, 2010, 08:58:08 PMI'm good with this list ... other than Platteville at 8. I don't see them winning more than 1 or 2 WIAC games.
I think SOME people are overly optimistic as to just how talented their team(s) will be this coming year. Yes, Stout has once again brought in a small country's worth of players, however a lot of those names mentioned, including transfers are not going to be enough to replace the class that they just lost. Nothing against the kids that they've brought in, but those players are a step down from what they've had in the past. Make no mistake, this is UWSP's race to lose. After that, and perhaps the most talent laden team in the WIAC in 2010-11 is UWRF. RF has the toughness, athleticism and size to beat anyone in D3. Here's my predicted order of finish...
1. UWSP
2. UWRF
3. UWW
4. Lax
5. EC
6. Stout
7. Oshkosh
8. Platteville
9. Superior
I see EC, Stout and Oshkosh all battling it out for slots 5-7, those spots are really a coin flip.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on September 12, 2010, 09:38:11 PM
Post by: hoop_junkie on September 12, 2010, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bears rule on September 10, 2010, 11:12:16 PM
Hoop Junkie,
UWRF? What happened with them last year? Won there first 10-15 games and fell apart. They lost two seniors starters, I just do not see it.
UWSP and everyone else, agree. Last year Coach Enger did a great job coaching them up to get the team where she did, this year, she could only mess it up by over caoching. They are LOADED.
They have one of the better backcourts in the WIAC and have added the best post player in the conference in transfer Danielle Jorgenson. I would say they'll be better than they were a year ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 21, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 21, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
I had WW so low because I am just unsure about their back court and have no idea who they are bringing in. I haven't heard anything but if someone else has please share. They have a very talented front court with Thompson, Kumarow, and Burg. The best one there is probably Kumarow. She is a stud.
I like SP, La Crosse and River Falls. All three should slug it out for a yhe byes. I can't see another team really challenging those three for the top spot.
After looking at the rosters I think this is Oshkosh's year to make some noise. A lot of starters back.
Stout won't be 5-11. I could see 7-9 though. I don't know if they can beat SP, LC, or RF. Thats six losses right there and EC is always a battle for them. EC is a bit of a sleeper with their size and the played really well down the stretch. They were a couple minutes of making it to the WIAC final.
Looks like a three team race. Stout and WW take a step back. RF takes a big step up into the top four and getting a homecourt game.
I like SP, La Crosse and River Falls. All three should slug it out for a yhe byes. I can't see another team really challenging those three for the top spot.
After looking at the rosters I think this is Oshkosh's year to make some noise. A lot of starters back.
Stout won't be 5-11. I could see 7-9 though. I don't know if they can beat SP, LC, or RF. Thats six losses right there and EC is always a battle for them. EC is a bit of a sleeper with their size and the played really well down the stretch. They were a couple minutes of making it to the WIAC final.
Looks like a three team race. Stout and WW take a step back. RF takes a big step up into the top four and getting a homecourt game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on September 22, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
Post by: Just Bill on September 22, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
I can't count the number of times in the last 15 years, I've heard some variation on the phrase, "This is the year that La Crosse and/or River Falls step up." Still waiting. When it happens, I'll congratulate them, but I won't be expecting it until it does.
(I've also heard the phrase, "Stout is down, they'll fall back this year," quite often. That doesn't seem to happen either.)
(I've also heard the phrase, "Stout is down, they'll fall back this year," quite often. That doesn't seem to happen either.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 22, 2010, 06:08:49 PM
Post by: The Champ on September 22, 2010, 06:08:49 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 21, 2010, 09:50:52 PMStout won't be 5-11.
I concur - which is why I had the problem with someone saying they'd be 7th or worse.
Quote from: Just Bill(I've also heard the phrase, "Stout is down, they'll fall back this year," quite often. That doesn't seem to happen either.)
I've heard that when Stout lost "All-Time All-WIAC Women's Basketball Selections"
(listed alphabetically) Stacie Anderson, Erin Churchill, Kelsey Duoss, Charlee Edwards, Lindsey Erichsen, Tanya Halbach, Molly Hendricks, Sara Kahl, Savanah Oeltjen, Laura Verdegan and Amy Zelinger over the last decade.
Yes the losses of Julia Hirssig, Megan Maslowski and Kim Stokke are some big holes to fill. But that doesn't mean the UW Stout Basketball falls off the end of the earth as some of the doomsayers are trying to proclaim.
That's all I was trying to say earlier.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on September 23, 2010, 11:46:03 AM
Post by: billys on September 23, 2010, 11:46:03 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on September 22, 2010, 11:36:09 AMI agree ... this is La Crosse's final chance at a run. I believe they lose something like 8 kids after this year? They project to have 6 seniors and then I heard another two younger kids will be done with basketball because of their schooling. VanHandel is set to graduate in 3 years and I think Opelt is in an academic program where she can't play sports as an upperclassman (something to that effect).
I can't count the number of times in the last 15 years, I've heard some variation on the phrase, "This is the year that La Crosse and/or River Falls step up." Still waiting. When it happens, I'll congratulate them, but I won't be expecting it until it does.
(I've also heard the phrase, "Stout is down, they'll fall back this year," quite often. That doesn't seem to happen either.)
I think River Falls took the necessary step last year to be considered a contender this year. I think Point wins the league without question but River Falls got a good enough taste of winning that I think it's logical to say the next step is being a Top 3 team.
I will forever subscribe to the theory that you have to learn how to win. As a program, as a player, and as a coach. Similarly I don't think you can have set-backs to that culture or you need to do it over again. La Crosse had their chance after Hunter was a freshman and kind of blew it. River Falls is in that spot right now; if they can make another step again right now they might have staying power, if they don't move forward they could blow it too.
Whitewater made an abrupt jump a few years ago to somewhat debunk this but still needed to do their maturing during post season play.
This is a HUGE year for River Falls and their future. I think the ship has sailed on La Crosse for now; even with a good year this year losing so many kids is going to put a lot of stress on a bunch of freshmen and newcomers the following season.
Stout is going to win games they probably shouldn't win because in general I'm guessing those kids still expect to win. There's a big difference in knowing or expecting that you're going to win ... and hoping that you can win. Now put two straight below .500 years together and you start accumulating a roster that hasn't won again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on September 23, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
Post by: billys on September 23, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: The Champ on September 22, 2010, 06:08:49 PMPeople are saying though that they are not getting the type of talent they have gotten in the past ... that would be the difference now.Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 21, 2010, 09:50:52 PMStout won't be 5-11.
I concur - which is why I had the problem with someone saying they'd be 7th or worse.Quote from: Just Bill(I've also heard the phrase, "Stout is down, they'll fall back this year," quite often. That doesn't seem to happen either.)
I've heard that when Stout lost "All-Time All-WIAC Women's Basketball Selections"
(listed alphabetically) Stacie Anderson, Erin Churchill, Kelsey Duoss, Charlee Edwards, Lindsey Erichsen, Tanya Halbach, Molly Hendricks, Sara Kahl, Savanah Oeltjen, Laura Verdegan and Amy Zelinger over the last decade.
Yes the losses of Julia Hirssig, Megan Maslowski and Kim Stokke are some big holes to fill. But that doesn't mean the UW Stout Basketball falls off the end of the earth as some of the doomsayers are trying to proclaim.
That's all I was trying to say earlier.
I'm not saying they're right or wrong; I don't know their new kids. All I'm saying is it's a common thought around the league now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: roaringtwenties on September 23, 2010, 01:01:27 PM
Post by: roaringtwenties on September 23, 2010, 01:01:27 PM
1. Stevens Point
2. River Falls
3. LaCrosse
4. Whitewater
5. Eau Claire
6. Stout
7. Oshkosh
8. Superior
9. Platteville
This seems like a good starting point, but about January 15th, this will start to take a firmer shape.
2. River Falls
3. LaCrosse
4. Whitewater
5. Eau Claire
6. Stout
7. Oshkosh
8. Superior
9. Platteville
This seems like a good starting point, but about January 15th, this will start to take a firmer shape.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on September 24, 2010, 07:41:36 AM
Post by: The Champ on September 24, 2010, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: billys on September 23, 2010, 11:50:21 AM
People are saying though that they are not getting the type of talent they have gotten in the past ... that would be the difference now.
I'm not saying they're right or wrong; I don't know their new kids. All I'm saying is it's a common thought around the league now.
I've never seen any of the new players play yet myself. But 4 transfers (2 coming from DII programs) adds maturity that you don't get from freshman.
And speaking of freshman, they did pull in one of the best players in the NW part of Wisconsin - Sami Shroeder - also.
QuoteSchoeder is a four-time all-conference selection and was a first team all-state selection by two different selection groups. She was the Middle Border conference player of the year, as well as the All-Northwest player of the year, as selected by the Leader-Telegram in Eau Claire. Schoeder averaged 18.7 points per game during her senior year and broke the 1000 point mark.
That is why I posted that things may not be as dire for Stout as some have posted. I just don't see this team as a bottom feeder in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 24, 2010, 01:34:36 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on September 24, 2010, 01:34:36 PM
I think WW will be like EC from last year. Really good post play, but not much in the back court. Only difference is I don't think they have as good as coach as EC or as good post play. I would take EC posts last year over WW posts this year in a heart beat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on September 25, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
Post by: Bears rule on September 25, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
To win in this league you have to have special, difference makers players. A player that can have a impact on there team.
How many impact players does each team have. I do not mean good solid players, I mean players that are the tops in the conference. There team is 10-15 points better with them in the game.
I bet the top few teams have the most difference makers.
WW-Thompson
SP- Peterson, Flease
EC Mesiak
LX- wow, many very good players, not sure who the impact player. Frank?
How many impact players does each team have. I do not mean good solid players, I mean players that are the tops in the conference. There team is 10-15 points better with them in the game.
I bet the top few teams have the most difference makers.
WW-Thompson
SP- Peterson, Flease
EC Mesiak
LX- wow, many very good players, not sure who the impact player. Frank?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on September 25, 2010, 01:06:37 AM
Post by: Bears rule on September 25, 2010, 01:06:37 AM
Cont: Difference makers
RF- Gregorich, New post Jorgenson?
Stout?
Superior- none
Oshkosh?
Platteville?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on September 25, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
Post by: billys on September 25, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
Jorgenson should definitely be for River Falls.
Put Sam Barber on the list for UWSP.
Put Sam Barber on the list for UWSP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on September 26, 2010, 03:27:32 PM
Post by: JMM on September 26, 2010, 03:27:32 PM
Anyone with info on EC recruiting. Have they found the guard they so desparetly need? Don't see ST or RF having that great of a season. I think if EC finds real back court help, could finish #2 in conference. Might be a big if. Plendil has improved each year. Expect her to do very good. Mesick is offensively outstanding and her defense is has gotten excellent. Two solid players in Bingea and Laura Olson. Both really came on at the end of the year. Think that SP may be a contender for National Numero Uno.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 14, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 14, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
National Rankings have to come out in the next couple days I would think. How many teams will be ranked from the WIAC? I am going to think UWSP and La Crosse are no brainers. River Falls maybe too?
Also, I would be willing to bet that Central Region has the most ranked teams out of the regions. Illinois Wesleyan and Wash U should be included. Also could see a team from the MidWest in there as well.
More than a month out from the official tip here.
Also, I would be willing to bet that Central Region has the most ranked teams out of the regions. Illinois Wesleyan and Wash U should be included. Also could see a team from the MidWest in there as well.
More than a month out from the official tip here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 14, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 14, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
LaCrosse is a "no brainer?" I'm curious how do you figure that? They didn't receive a single vote in last year's final poll and you expect them to crack the Top 25 before a game has been played?
I'm not saying they won't be that good. I just find it odd that a team which essentially has had no recognition since who knows when would suddenly vault into the Top 25 in a poll that is configured nationally. Perhaps they will get there once games start being played but I'd be pretty surprised to see them there in the pre-season poll. But who really knows.
I'm not saying they won't be that good. I just find it odd that a team which essentially has had no recognition since who knows when would suddenly vault into the Top 25 in a poll that is configured nationally. Perhaps they will get there once games start being played but I'd be pretty surprised to see them there in the pre-season poll. But who really knows.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on October 14, 2010, 05:29:26 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on October 14, 2010, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 14, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
LaCrosse is a "no brainer?" I'm curious how do you figure that? They didn't receive a single vote in last year's final poll and you expect them to crack the Top 25 before a game has been played?
I'm not saying they won't be that good. I just find it odd that a team which essentially has had no recognition since who knows when would suddenly vault into the Top 25 in a poll that is configured nationally. Perhaps they will get there once games start being played but I'd be pretty surprised to see them there in the pre-season poll. But who really knows.
Agreed. I would expect to see Point very high and maybe RF ranked in the 20s.
However, with the strength of the WIAC year in and year out I would expect to see 3 teams in the top 25 come January before the conference schedule gets too deep and they all start beating up on eachother.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on October 14, 2010, 09:42:15 PM
Post by: bulk19 on October 14, 2010, 09:42:15 PM
Point starts out at #8...
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/10/14/WBB_1014100219.aspx?path=wbball
I can't find them on the D3 site?
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/10/14/WBB_1014100219.aspx?path=wbball
I can't find them on the D3 site?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 14, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on October 14, 2010, 09:42:15 PM
Point starts out at #8...
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/10/14/WBB_1014100219.aspx?path=wbball
I can't find them on the D3 site?
That's because that's the crappy D-III Women's News poll, which isn't worth bandwidth it travels on. Wait for the real poll to come out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on October 23, 2010, 09:07:29 AM
Post by: Bears rule on October 23, 2010, 09:07:29 AM
Anyone post rosters yet? Who are the transfers and freshmen who will make a impact on their teams this year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
Post by: JMM on October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
Under estimating EC who beat SP, WW and more last year. Almost all folks are back should be much more seasoned. Stiff competition at the start of the season will have them ready for WIAC:
1. SP (national #1 contender)
2. EC
3. RF
4. PL (should show lots of improvement)\
5. LC
6. WW (talent of past 3 years is now gone, gone, gone so is WW for the present)
7. ST (time for MT to go - new recruits but these days kids don't respond to yelling and mind-game playing.)
8. SUP
9. OSH
1. SP (national #1 contender)
2. EC
3. RF
4. PL (should show lots of improvement)\
5. LC
6. WW (talent of past 3 years is now gone, gone, gone so is WW for the present)
7. ST (time for MT to go - new recruits but these days kids don't respond to yelling and mind-game playing.)
8. SUP
9. OSH
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 24, 2010, 05:48:13 PM
Post by: billys on October 24, 2010, 05:48:13 PM
Let me go first.
1. Why would Platteville POSSIBLY finish fourth? Who exactly is going to score points, get rebounds, etc., etc. They may win 5 games TOTAL including non-con. You honestly believe they can win 9-10 conference games? Did they get a bunch of transfers none of us have heard about?
2. Time for Mark Thomas to go? Something tells me someone you know transferred from Stout to Platteville? He should GO? The winningest all-time coach? Hirrsig (sp?) didn't seem to have a huge problem playing four years for him. This comment reeks of an agenda.
3. WW may indeed drop to 6th (doubt it) but you say they don't have the talent ... then pick Platteville 4th.
Can you explain some of these? You may end up right ... now I'm just wildly curious what you're basing these predicitions on.
1. Why would Platteville POSSIBLY finish fourth? Who exactly is going to score points, get rebounds, etc., etc. They may win 5 games TOTAL including non-con. You honestly believe they can win 9-10 conference games? Did they get a bunch of transfers none of us have heard about?
2. Time for Mark Thomas to go? Something tells me someone you know transferred from Stout to Platteville? He should GO? The winningest all-time coach? Hirrsig (sp?) didn't seem to have a huge problem playing four years for him. This comment reeks of an agenda.
3. WW may indeed drop to 6th (doubt it) but you say they don't have the talent ... then pick Platteville 4th.
Can you explain some of these? You may end up right ... now I'm just wildly curious what you're basing these predicitions on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on October 24, 2010, 06:10:17 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on October 24, 2010, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: billys on October 24, 2010, 05:48:13 PM
Let me go first.
1. Why would Platteville POSSIBLY finish fourth? Who exactly is going to score points, get rebounds, etc., etc. They may win 5 games TOTAL including non-con. You honestly believe they can win 9-10 conference games? Did they get a bunch of transfers none of us have heard about?
2. Time for Mark Thomas to go? Something tells me someone you know transferred from Stout to Platteville? He should GO? The winningest all-time coach? Hirrsig (sp?) didn't seem to have a huge problem playing four years for him. This comment reeks of an agenda.
3. WW may indeed drop to 6th (doubt it) but you say they don't have the talent ... then pick Platteville 4th.
Can you explain some of these? You may end up right ... now I'm just wildly curious what you're basing these predicitions on.
Back from my hiatus. I would also like to hear reasoning behind these 3. Stout is great year in and year out... not sure why it would be time for the coach to go?
I do agree with the EC comments though, they should be solid. Lax's top 5 can play with anyone, but depth is going to be the real question. Van Handel decided to not go out for ball this year. That is going to hurt big time. If they stay healthy, they will be very fun to watch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 24, 2010, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: BDB on October 24, 2010, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: JMM on October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
7. ST (time for MT to go - new recruits but these days kids don't respond to yelling and mind-game playing.)
Completely assinine and ridiculous.
Not only does billys probably have it right saying this comment reeks of an agenda, but do you realize the 400 page volume of posts this will get started by The Champ? ;D
JMM, that's a crazy statement. :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 24, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 24, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
I often step in to moderate when The Champ starts to hyperventilate over perceived slights against Stout. But I won't this time since that was one of the stupider statements I've ever seen on this board. Have at 'em.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2010, 07:52:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2010, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 24, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
I often step in to moderate when The Champ starts to hyperventilate over perceived slights against Stout. But I won't this time since that was one of the stupider statements I've ever seen on this board. Have at 'em.
LOL.... ;D
There were no perceived slights - it was pretty obvious that JMM was continuing his/her rant against one of the best coaches in WIAC history - because he/she knows nothing about athletics.
I read this yesterday morning before anyone else responded (and before JMM edited out the extended 5 line rant against Mark Thomas - what you read now is quite tame, really), and resisted the temptation to post.
I decided it would be better to let the rest of you pick apart this agenda driven drivel. My only disappoinment I have is that I don't think the rest of you got to see how insane JMM's post really was.
Thanks to all for having my back... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 25, 2010, 09:53:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 25, 2010, 09:53:58 AM
Who are you and what have you done with Champ? ???
:D
:D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2010, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 25, 2010, 09:53:58 AM
Who are you and what have you done with Champ?
It's me, BW.... ;)
Just felt it would be better to let others on the board have first crack at that particular post.
Sure wish JMM had left it totally intact, as it was a much more humorous (or was that delirious ??? ??? ???) post before the edit 11 or 12 hours later... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 25, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
Post by: billys on October 25, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
Yeah ... that was my fault; I should have went back to look at past posts. I forgot Thomas was an animal and Heeren was a great coach cause she was always positive. Completely forgot that rant.
I'm over that; but I still do want to know how Platteville is possibly going to finish 4th?
I'm over that; but I still do want to know how Platteville is possibly going to finish 4th?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on October 26, 2010, 08:50:30 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on October 26, 2010, 08:50:30 AM
Quote from: billys on October 25, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
I'm over that; but I still do want to know how Platteville is possibly going to finish 4th?
It must be one of two things behind the reasoning for a 4th place finish.
1. The fact that they have 2 returning starters.
2. They are dumpinig the WIAC and jumping to the Big 10.
http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/1011/9-15nu.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 26, 2010, 11:03:02 AM
Post by: billys on October 26, 2010, 11:03:02 AM
Welsh-Ryan Arena isn't a whole lot different than the Quandt to be honest; not sure how much atmosphere they'll get out of that.
Northwestern is a tough exhibition match-up because they play an 1-1-3 amoeba zone ... so you can't really figure out what you've got with your offense that you'll run during the year. Hopefully they're making it worth their while with $$$.
I will be interested to see what La Crosse can do at UWM. Last year Milwaukee lost to Parkside and struggled mightily with Stevens Point til they got some breathing room VERY late.
BTW- Anyone else not a fan of the new WIAC website. I tried to go look for a composite schedule; I mean the season starts in 2 1/2 weeks right? No such luck.
Northwestern is a tough exhibition match-up because they play an 1-1-3 amoeba zone ... so you can't really figure out what you've got with your offense that you'll run during the year. Hopefully they're making it worth their while with $$$.
I will be interested to see what La Crosse can do at UWM. Last year Milwaukee lost to Parkside and struggled mightily with Stevens Point til they got some breathing room VERY late.
BTW- Anyone else not a fan of the new WIAC website. I tried to go look for a composite schedule; I mean the season starts in 2 1/2 weeks right? No such luck.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 26, 2010, 11:18:52 AM
Post by: Just Bill on October 26, 2010, 11:18:52 AM
UWSP at UW-Green Bay should be an interesting exhibition game as well. UWGB is much better than UW-Milwaukee so I wouldn't expect Point to stick around in the second half, but you never know. The D-I teams play much deeper rotations than they would in a regular game so sometimes the D-III can keep it close.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 26, 2010, 11:52:27 AM
Post by: billys on October 26, 2010, 11:52:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 26, 2010, 11:18:52 AMGreen Bay overwhelms people so much with how hard they play and their defensive pressure/switching ... so if they want to make sure you don't score (as a D3); they will.
UWSP at UW-Green Bay should be an interesting exhibition game as well. UWGB is much better than UW-Milwaukee so I wouldn't expect Point to stick around in the second half, but you never know. The D-I teams play much deeper rotations than they would in a regular game so sometimes the D-III can keep it close.
You're right though; with extended rotations and probably some experimenting, they may keep it around 25-30.
Any other D1 exhibitions?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 26, 2010, 12:08:50 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 26, 2010, 12:08:50 PM
I was thinking La Crosse would be a lock since they had 100% of their scoring and rebounding back from a team that was as hot as any until the WIAC tournament. That of course changes now that Van Handel is not playing this year.
I would think that if Platteville finishes with the same record they had last year in conference that would be big for them after losing the talent they did to graduation. They are going to be a better team in a couple years, but I am thinking 5-6 wins in conference is going to be their max.
EC should be better, but I would like to see who they brought in before I say they are a top 3 team.
It's just hard for me to say WW is going to be a top 5-6 team with the quality of the guards they lost.
UW-Green Bay is good, really good. They were a couple possessions form being in the Sweet 16 last year. I don't know what the spread will be, but I would be surprised if Stevens Point can hang with them in the second half. Last year St. Norbert's lost by 30ish.
I would think that if Platteville finishes with the same record they had last year in conference that would be big for them after losing the talent they did to graduation. They are going to be a better team in a couple years, but I am thinking 5-6 wins in conference is going to be their max.
EC should be better, but I would like to see who they brought in before I say they are a top 3 team.
It's just hard for me to say WW is going to be a top 5-6 team with the quality of the guards they lost.
UW-Green Bay is good, really good. They were a couple possessions form being in the Sweet 16 last year. I don't know what the spread will be, but I would be surprised if Stevens Point can hang with them in the second half. Last year St. Norbert's lost by 30ish.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 26, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 26, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 26, 2010, 12:08:50 PM
I was thinking La Crosse would be a lock since they had 100% of their scoring and rebounding back from a team that was as hot as any until the WIAC tournament.
Not sure how you figure this?
La Crosse had 6 WIAC losses last year, being swept by both WW and UWEC during the WIAC season and lost to Point and Stout on their home court.
To their credit, they did beat Point at Point by 12, but it took 2 overtimes at Johnson Fieldhouse to win that battle - something LC hadn't done since 1998.
One could say they were due for a win their after that many consecutive losses, but I know it was a long drive home for me after that game as I really had expected a Stout win.
Once again, to LC's credit, they did win both games against RF. But they did catch RF during the stretch where RF lost 7 of 11 games.
It was strange to see RF collapse after their 13 consecutive wins (conference and non-conference) to start the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 26, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
Post by: billys on October 26, 2010, 09:01:46 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 26, 2010, 12:08:50 PMA lock to win the exhibition game?
I was thinking La Crosse would be a lock since they had 100% of their scoring and rebounding back from a team that was as hot as any until the WIAC tournament. That of course changes now that Van Handel is not playing this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 26, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on October 26, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
My mistake, I was referring back to an old post of mine saying they should be a lock to being nationally ranked. Still getting used to the site. I no longer have that opinion, but should still be a good team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 28, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Post by: JMM on October 28, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it. Felt it was inappropriate. Agenda, no. My observation that MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning. Yes, record is OK put has not totally capitalized on his talent. Can't argue that he did not have a heck of a lot of talent last year. My bias - I played for coaches like him. They were unsettling. If you read the original, I refered to putting kids in and pulling them out if they made a mistake. It tends to be his stock and trade. I get to 10 or so Stout games a year. MT dramatics are unecessary and I think, hard on the kids. As for platville, we shall see.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on October 29, 2010, 12:42:16 AM
Post by: billys on October 29, 2010, 12:42:16 AM
Quote from: JMM on October 28, 2010, 09:38:18 PMI'll argue that. I'll argue they finished right where they belonged and to finish within two of WW and one of Point is a pretty good year with what they had.
Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it. Felt it was inappropriate. Agenda, no. My observation that MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning. Yes, record is OK put has not totally capitalized on his talent. Can't argue that he did not have a heck of a lot of talent last year. My bias - I played for coaches like him. They were unsettling. If you read the original, I refered to putting kids in and pulling them out if they made a mistake. It tends to be his stock and trade. I get to 10 or so Stout games a year. MT dramatics are unecessary and I think, hard on the kids. As for platville, we shall see.
I'll take that Platteville bet too. I'll put their over under on conference wins at 4.5 and load up on the under.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 29, 2010, 07:08:48 AM
Post by: The Champ on October 29, 2010, 07:08:48 AM
Quote from: JMM on October 28, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it.
Originally posted: October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 am »
Last Edit: October 24, 2010, 12:57:36 pm by JMM »
QuoteFelt it was inappropriate.
It was.
QuoteAgenda, no. My observation that MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning.
Coach T has not won less than 10 games per year in the WIAC (one of the most competitive conferences in DIII WBB) since 1995/96 season. No other coach in the WIAC can match that. In WIAC competition he has never failed to have a winning season.
Winning seems to be a consistent thing with Mark Thomas coached teams.
QuoteMy bias - I played for coaches like him.
So your agenda is you were benched for poor performance and hold a grudge.... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on October 29, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on October 29, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Quote from: The Champ on October 29, 2010, 07:08:48 AMQuote from: JMM on October 28, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it.
Originally posted: October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 am »
Last Edit: October 24, 2010, 12:57:36 pm by JMM »
QuoteFelt it was inappropriate.
It was.QuoteAgenda, no. My observation that MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning.
Coach T has not won less than 10 games per year in the WIAC (one of the most competitive conferences in DIII WBB) since 1995/96 season. No other coach in the WIAC can match that. In WIAC competition he has never failed to have a winning season.
Winning seems to be a consistent thing with Mark Thomas coached teams.QuoteMy bias - I played for coaches like him.
So your agenda is you were benched for poor performance and hold a grudge.... ::)
I understand that JMM's post deserves a good ripping, and your comments are quite entertaining and true. But I can't help but ask a legitimate question.
Do you wake up every morning just pissed off at life/WIAC basketball topics Champ? ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 29, 2010, 03:02:27 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 29, 2010, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on October 29, 2010, 11:22:05 AMI understand that JMM's post deserves a good ripping, and your comments are quite entertaining and true. But I can't help but ask a legitimate question.
Do you wake up every morning just pissed off at life/WIAC basketball topics Champ? ;D
I actually am quite the optimist and enjoy life greatly.... ;)
I held back on ripping him/her on Sunday - waiting for everyone else to have a chance to provide their feedback. As already posted - I thank everyone for their posts that questioned JMM's thought process and agenda (including you...).
With JMM's followup post, I didn't feel the need or have the desire to holdback. The very idea that the winningest coach in WIAC history is more into "antics" than winning just was over the top.
For the record, the last time Coach T had a non-winning conference season was in 1989/1990. Point can't say that (99/00 record 5 - 11), EC can't say that (05/06 record 8 - 8), WW can't say that (04/05 record 7 - 9) and the rest of the WIAC teams have all had losing records at least one time since 2006.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 29, 2010, 07:39:26 PM
Post by: BDB on October 29, 2010, 07:39:26 PM
Quote from: JMM on October 28, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
My bias - I played for coaches like him. They were unsettling.
Holy crap JMM. Unsettling?
You went off on Thomas last year I remember.
Mark expects his players to give their best to the team and to their education. The success of his teams, and his players says it all.
I grant you that a weak minded player is going to to be unsettled in his, or basically any college program.
I have known many of his players over the years. They are not going to get "unsettled" by anything life throws at them for long.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on October 29, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
Post by: BDB on October 29, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on October 29, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Do you wake up every morning just pissed off at life/WIAC basketball topics Champ? ;D
+K :D I warned you folks that JMM comments would unleash a Champ sunami. ;D
I'm even going to give one to JMM just to keep things friendly.
Closed Circuit to billys: You rock. Your knowledge of this league is impressive.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2010, 08:05:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2010, 08:05:43 PM
Platteville puts 30 points on the board vs Northwestern (85). I didn't expect them to keep it a game but 30 points seems awfully few. Of course it's impossible to tell how any other teams in the WIAC would have fared.
Admittedly I don't see Mark Thomas coach very often but I have never noticed any of his players cowering in fear or breaking down because of their interactions with him during games. Quite the contrary they seem to respond more often than not. Did I say I was glad Julia Hirsig graduated? :D
Admittedly I don't see Mark Thomas coach very often but I have never noticed any of his players cowering in fear or breaking down because of their interactions with him during games. Quite the contrary they seem to respond more often than not. Did I say I was glad Julia Hirsig graduated? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 01, 2010, 06:37:36 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 01, 2010, 06:37:36 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2010, 08:05:43 PMAdmittedly I don't see Mark Thomas coach very often but I have never noticed any of his players cowering in fear or breaking down because of their interactions with him during games. Quite the contrary they seem to respond more often than not.
I think you are an astute BB mind, and your take is what most people who understand the game would have.
You could ask your own HC Keri C, or her Asst Coach Amy Z, about players respond to Coach T's "style". Keri spent enough time with T as Mark's Asst, and Amy started for four years at Stout and that was an Asst Coach for T.
Coach Cindy H at UWRF could also give some input - she's a Stout Athletic "Hall of Fame" member who still holds the career 3 point record at Stout. Oh, and she also was an Asst under Coach T.
One might deduct that Coach T's "style" builds leadership qualities. Their are several other former players that have been inspired to go into coaching BB, they just aren't coaching in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: jam8788 on November 01, 2010, 12:07:21 PM
Post by: jam8788 on November 01, 2010, 12:07:21 PM
I think one way to judge a coach's greatness is by the coaching tree that develops from them. Look at Coach K at Duke, or Dean Smith at UNC. Mark Thomas (UW Stout) has a large coaching tree. Pam Ruder (UW Oshkosh) also has an equally large coaching tree. Coincidence that they're two of the most successful coaches of all time in the WIAC?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on November 04, 2010, 08:46:32 AM
Post by: cubs on November 04, 2010, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: jam8788 on November 01, 2010, 12:07:21 PMCare to enlighten me on who is a part of that tree? If I was going to use a women's coach at UWO, it would be Kathi Bennett, not Pam Ruder. Ruder was an assistant under Bennett for quite some time if I'm not mistaken.
I think one way to judge a coach's greatness is by the coaching tree that develops from them. Look at Coach K at Duke, or Dean Smith at UNC. Mark Thomas (UW Stout) has a large coaching tree. Pam Ruder (UW Oshkosh) also has an equally large coaching tree. Coincidence that they're two of the most successful coaches of all time in the WIAC?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on November 04, 2010, 02:26:45 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on November 04, 2010, 02:26:45 PM
Stevens Point #6, La Crosse, Stout, Whitewater, and River Falls receiving votes in the National Poll. I am surprised Eau Claire didn't receive a single vote. Then again it is hard to rank everyone who might deserve it.
I bet Eau Claire is going to finish in front of at least two of the teams that got votes in the conference race. With their guards a year older and those experienced posts, they could make a lot of noise this year.
I bet Eau Claire is going to finish in front of at least two of the teams that got votes in the conference race. With their guards a year older and those experienced posts, they could make a lot of noise this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 04, 2010, 06:57:04 PM
Post by: JMM on November 04, 2010, 06:57:04 PM
WIAC AD poll is out, SP picked to win it all. EC picked number 2. Saw EC intersquad scrimmage last night. The guard issue is no longer an issue. Couple of new upper classman playing guard/up front. Wonderful. Plendil looked very mature and seasoned. Should be good year for the blue and gold.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 04, 2010, 11:40:28 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 04, 2010, 11:40:28 PM
JMM do not start this again. Lets talk BB.
The AD poll looks fair. As long as SP is #1, it is off to a good start.
#2 thru #5 as voted below can trade places anyway you like. You can make a augument for anyone of these teams.
I think things will clear up a bit when each team gets 3-4 games in.
2010-11 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors
2009-10 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (8) 11-5, 24-7
2. UW-Eau Claire (1) 8-8, 10-17
3. UW-River Falls 10-6, 18-7
4. UW-Whitewater 12-4, 21-8
5. UW-La Crosse 10-6, 18-8
6. UW-Stout 10-6, 16-11
7. UW-Oshkosh 3-13, 8-17
8. UW-Platteville 5-11, 12-13
9. UW-Superior 3-13, 8-17
( )--First-Place Votes
The AD poll looks fair. As long as SP is #1, it is off to a good start.
#2 thru #5 as voted below can trade places anyway you like. You can make a augument for anyone of these teams.
I think things will clear up a bit when each team gets 3-4 games in.
2010-11 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors
2009-10 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (8) 11-5, 24-7
2. UW-Eau Claire (1) 8-8, 10-17
3. UW-River Falls 10-6, 18-7
4. UW-Whitewater 12-4, 21-8
5. UW-La Crosse 10-6, 18-8
6. UW-Stout 10-6, 16-11
7. UW-Oshkosh 3-13, 8-17
8. UW-Platteville 5-11, 12-13
9. UW-Superior 3-13, 8-17
( )--First-Place Votes
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on November 04, 2010, 11:44:42 PM
Post by: Bears rule on November 04, 2010, 11:44:42 PM
Any predictions on the UW vs Superior score this weekend? Based on what they did to Winona tonight-won by 30- I would say if Superior can keep it with 50 that is great, not a rip on Superior, Badgers are preseason big ten #5, so they are good.
85-38 final
85-38 final
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2010, 07:08:22 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2010, 07:08:22 AM
Quote from: JMM on November 04, 2010, 11:01:35 PMAgain, would love to talk to J.H or K.D.
I've had several discussions with both these young women - away from the BB court. I don't think they'd like to talk to you with your attitude about their coach.
Why don't you come to next year's Stout Alumni game and see how many former player come back to see their old coach and teammates again?
I've been to several of these games, talked with the players before, during and after the games. I've had the pleasure of chatting with players that traveled over 2000 miles roundtrip just for a Stout alumni game.
Try your "antics" around those girls like you do here, and they may not be as polite as I have been.
QuoteNever any coaching antics at EC.
I guess you see things through blue and gold glasses... ::) Tonya does her own "antics" to try and get the best out of her players too. And I'm not saying that is a bad thing like you believe.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2010, 07:12:32 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 05, 2010, 07:12:32 AM
Quote from: Bears rule on November 04, 2010, 11:40:28 PM
The AD poll looks fair. As long as SP is #1, it is off to a good start.
#2 thru #5 as voted below can trade places anyway you like. You can make a augument for anyone of these teams.
I think things will clear up a bit when each team gets 3-4 games in.
I'm with you on this. SP should be the clear cut favorite.
#2 - #5 have lot's of question marks. Will the new players gel well with the old. Have the appropriate defiencies been filled. Have the veteran players improved - or did they regress.
Time will tell.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 05, 2010, 09:15:35 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 05, 2010, 09:15:35 AM
5th is right where Lax should be until they prove otherwise by stringing some quality wins together. Until then, everything is just talk.
Watched UWL scrimmage Mankato last weekend. They looked very good. This team has great chemistry and seems to play smart basketball and not beat themselves. Frank, churhchill, and Larson should all put up some solid numbers this year.
Frank looked great in the scrimmage which is good to see as she had a health scare about a month ago which took a few weeks to figure out. (2nd time in her career she has gone through a health issue other than injury while playing ball) http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2008/02/08/819/nine_days_after_her_perplexing_heart_problem_is_solved_shes_the_basketball_player_of_the_week
I think the story of this team is going to come down to two things:
1. Do they have enough depth. Starting 5 should be able to play with anyone. Not sure how quick they fall off after that. (Can anyone step into Van Handel's role)
2. Can they win the big games. Until they win a few it is tough to pick them in a close game.
All in all should be a great season, let's hope for few injuries and some quality basketball. Good luck to all..... even Stout :D
Watched UWL scrimmage Mankato last weekend. They looked very good. This team has great chemistry and seems to play smart basketball and not beat themselves. Frank, churhchill, and Larson should all put up some solid numbers this year.
Frank looked great in the scrimmage which is good to see as she had a health scare about a month ago which took a few weeks to figure out. (2nd time in her career she has gone through a health issue other than injury while playing ball) http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2008/02/08/819/nine_days_after_her_perplexing_heart_problem_is_solved_shes_the_basketball_player_of_the_week
I think the story of this team is going to come down to two things:
1. Do they have enough depth. Starting 5 should be able to play with anyone. Not sure how quick they fall off after that. (Can anyone step into Van Handel's role)
2. Can they win the big games. Until they win a few it is tough to pick them in a close game.
All in all should be a great season, let's hope for few injuries and some quality basketball. Good luck to all..... even Stout :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 05, 2010, 04:55:44 PM
Post by: JMM on November 05, 2010, 04:55:44 PM
Out of the MT bashing game now and forever. I do think that Superior could upset UW, but if I say it, I will lose what of the almost zero crediablity I may have left. Am interested in the SP game however. That one could be interesting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 05, 2010, 05:58:53 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 05, 2010, 05:58:53 PM
I was informed today about the background of a transfer that River Falls has, Danielle Jorgenson... a transfer from UW-Milwaukee.
http://uwmpanthers.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/jorgenson_danielle00.html
Sounds like she could be a real difference maker for the Falcons. Especially with all the trouble RF had with the Danielle Franks' and Ellen Plendl's of the world...
http://uwmpanthers.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/jorgenson_danielle00.html
Sounds like she could be a real difference maker for the Falcons. Especially with all the trouble RF had with the Danielle Franks' and Ellen Plendl's of the world...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 05, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 05, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Superior won't come within 30 points of UW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 05, 2010, 09:55:30 PM
Post by: BDB on November 05, 2010, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: JMM on November 05, 2010, 04:55:44 PM
Out of the MT bashing game now and forever.
I'll give it a season and see if the bashing rolls around again. You've got some deep seeded issue with Mark or his style, that's apparent. Going after a good man making an honest living on a public forum is not a good play.
Re-posting what I think about Coach T, what I know about how his players feel about him, what kind of family man and friend he is, and documenting his success, is overload.
I do think you know alot about WIAC women's basketball and care much about it. I'll take you as that from now on.
I think Tonya rocks as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on November 06, 2010, 12:11:36 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on November 06, 2010, 12:11:36 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 05, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Superior won't come within 30 points of UW.
Way to go out on a limb. I could see Superior being held to under 30 pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 06, 2010, 10:14:23 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 06, 2010, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on November 06, 2010, 12:11:36 AMQuote from: Just Bill on November 05, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Superior won't come within 30 points of UW.
Way to go out on a limb. I could see Superior being held to under 30 pts.
That was in response to JMM who believes Superior is capable of upsetting UW. Direct your sarcasm elsewhere.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 07, 2010, 02:13:25 AM
Post by: billys on November 07, 2010, 02:13:25 AM
People have to stop caring about the final score of exhbition games or really anything that the box score says after. The game is as close as the D1's want it to be ... except in UW-Milwaukee's case cause they're a bit of a mess.
There are so many things going on in these games between teams not having sets/defenses/breaks in, players that won't normally get minutes on the court, figuring out your rotation, etc. Superior will probably get beat by about 50 ... means nothing.
Today Point could have played great and lost by 40 to Green Bay. I know we want to take something away from these games but in all reality there are a 1,000 things going on with each sideline that have nothing to do with the final score.
Someday it would be nice to see a WIAC team pull off one of these upsets but ultimately they mean nothing.
There are so many things going on in these games between teams not having sets/defenses/breaks in, players that won't normally get minutes on the court, figuring out your rotation, etc. Superior will probably get beat by about 50 ... means nothing.
Today Point could have played great and lost by 40 to Green Bay. I know we want to take something away from these games but in all reality there are a 1,000 things going on with each sideline that have nothing to do with the final score.
Someday it would be nice to see a WIAC team pull off one of these upsets but ultimately they mean nothing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 07, 2010, 07:02:07 AM
Post by: JMM on November 07, 2010, 07:02:07 AM
Took in the EC intra squad game. Plendil looked very good in it. Also Callie Halama. EC needed mucho help in the guard area last year. A host of good quality ball handlers have now joined the team. Laura Olson really came on strong in the gaurd role last year (that was about it for EC) , Laura looked very good the other night, but did not shoot much. Messick was Messick, subtley played very well. To me, it never seeems like Messick is doing alot on offense until I see the final stats her point total is always there between 14-18. Really like her defense, aggressive but usually very few fouls. The twin towers (Messick and Plendil) looked very good in the game. EC has added yet more hieght. Emily Miller, chatfield (same as Messick) is a very strong and aggressive player. Nice addition. Another player I'm interested in seeing more of is Brynn Salava, Eleva-Strum. Those sitting by me say she is really good. My general impression with the many new freshman was that they all had played alot of hoops and were very in controll of their game, controlled in bringing the ball up (or over or under). Not forcing the ball in passing (Sorry upper classmen, EC still needs to work on not forcing the ball - it killed them last year - still saw some of this going on in the game). Finally and most importantly, two new faces on the team, Nicole Christianson, junior, (Chetek) transfer from Mankato State and Casteele Miller, sophmore, I beleive another transfer. Both play guard. They played a fair amount in the game. Both were very seasoned and exceptional ball handlers. Both were cool, calm and collective while under fire when the defense put pressure on them. Both appeared to be play-makers who could also shoot. Saw a few 3 pointers dropped by them as well.
Reminded me a liitle of Hendricks and Sonntag of WW (a liitle and pardon my spelling). Had that same mental toughness and extreme self assurance - seasoned. I could not wait to see the two WW players play and know WW will miss them. Sonntag had attitude and was fearless. Saw a little of that in both these players. Soooooo, the big question is will they fit in, will they play allot and will they be as they appear at first introduction - exceptional guards. If so EC may get a thought or two about the NCAA playoffs. That said, if the upperclassmen who have a tendency to throw too many forced, lazy, flopper passes, don't clean up their passing - don't even think about. Fundamentals - if she ain't open, don't throw her the ball and every haphazard pass is two points for the other team. It would be great if#21 Christianson and #20 Miller are what they at first glance appear to be, A number two finish in the WIAC (I really think SP is superb this year) and a trip to the playoff would be grand. Even without the two new additions, EC could go along way in the WIAC if they would do two things: get killer instinct and lose the toughtless uncontolled passes. Several well known names on the team who really shine, need to think before they pass. Good news is it appeared better than last year - that was tough to watch. Tonja, Becca, Amanda or Peg, if you ever read these amatuer posts, three days of intense passing drill and lots of film watching of last years games could correct this. Maybe even a $20 dollar fine for each not thought out pass - For you folk out there who take everything literal, I don't really mean this. Realize it is against the rules. Though, I do hear the pay in the WIAC is really good and the players could afford it. n
Reminded me a liitle of Hendricks and Sonntag of WW (a liitle and pardon my spelling). Had that same mental toughness and extreme self assurance - seasoned. I could not wait to see the two WW players play and know WW will miss them. Sonntag had attitude and was fearless. Saw a little of that in both these players. Soooooo, the big question is will they fit in, will they play allot and will they be as they appear at first introduction - exceptional guards. If so EC may get a thought or two about the NCAA playoffs. That said, if the upperclassmen who have a tendency to throw too many forced, lazy, flopper passes, don't clean up their passing - don't even think about. Fundamentals - if she ain't open, don't throw her the ball and every haphazard pass is two points for the other team. It would be great if#21 Christianson and #20 Miller are what they at first glance appear to be, A number two finish in the WIAC (I really think SP is superb this year) and a trip to the playoff would be grand. Even without the two new additions, EC could go along way in the WIAC if they would do two things: get killer instinct and lose the toughtless uncontolled passes. Several well known names on the team who really shine, need to think before they pass. Good news is it appeared better than last year - that was tough to watch. Tonja, Becca, Amanda or Peg, if you ever read these amatuer posts, three days of intense passing drill and lots of film watching of last years games could correct this. Maybe even a $20 dollar fine for each not thought out pass - For you folk out there who take everything literal, I don't really mean this. Realize it is against the rules. Though, I do hear the pay in the WIAC is really good and the players could afford it. n
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 07, 2010, 07:57:55 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 07, 2010, 07:57:55 AM
Quote from: JMM on November 07, 2010, 07:02:07 AM
Took in the EC intra squad game. Plendil looked very good in it. Also Callie Halama. EC needed mucho help in the guard area last year. A host of good quality ball handlers have now joined the team. Laura Olson really came on strong in the gaurd role last year (that was about it for EC) , Laura looked very good the other night, but did not shoot much. Messick was Messick, subtley played very well. To me, it never seeems like Messick is doing alot on offense until I see the final stats her point total is always there between 14-18. Really like her defense, aggressive but usually very few fouls. The twin towers (Messick and Plendil) looked very good in the game. EC has added yet more hieght. Emily Miller, chatfield (same as Messick) is a very strong and aggressive player. Nice addition. Another player I'm interested in seeing more of is Brynn Salava, Eleva-Strum. Those sitting by me say she is really good. My general impression with the many new freshman was that they all had played alot of hoops and were very in controll of their game, controlled in bringing the ball up (or over or under). Not forcing the ball in passing (Sorry upper classmen, EC still needs to work on not forcing the ball - it killed them last year - still saw some of this going on in the game). Finally and most importantly, two new faces on the team, Nicole Christianson, junior, (Chetek) transfer from Mankato State and Casteele Miller, sophmore, I beleive another transfer. Both play guard. They played a fair amount in the game. Both were very seasoned and exceptional ball handlers. Both were cool, calm and collective while under fire when the defense put pressure on them. Both appeared to be play-makers who could also shoot. Saw a few 3 pointers dropped by them as well.
Reminded me a liitle of Hendricks and Sonntag of WW (a liitle and pardon my spelling). Had that same mental toughness and extreme self assurance - seasoned. I could not wait to see the two WW players play and know WW will miss them. Sonntag had attitude and was fearless. Saw a little of that in both these players. Soooooo, the big question is will they fit in, will they play allot and will they be as they appear at first introduction - exceptional guards. If so EC may get a thought or two about the NCAA playoffs. That said, if the upperclassmen who have a tendency to throw too many forced, lazy, flopper passes, don't clean up their passing - don't even think about. Fundamentals - if she ain't open, don't throw her the ball and every haphazard pass is two points for the other team. It would be great if#21 Christianson and #20 Miller are what they at first glance appear to be, A number two finish in the WIAC (I really think SP is superb this year) and a trip to the playoff would be grand. Even without the two new additions, EC could go along way in the WIAC if they would do two things: get killer instinct and lose the toughtless uncontolled passes. Several well known names on the team who really shine, need to think before they pass. Good news is it appeared better than last year - that was tough to watch. Tonja, Becca, Amanda or Peg, if you ever read these amatuer posts, three days of intense passing drill and lots of film watching of last years games could correct this. Maybe even a $20 dollar fine for each not thought out pass - For you folk out there who take everything literal, I don't really mean this. Realize it is against the rules. Though, I do hear the pay in the WIAC is really good and the players could afford it. n
I would sure hope that Plendl and Messick look good in an intrasquad scrimmage. If they didn't then there are some problems.
Lax struggled against Milwaukee today. Lost by about 15 and seemed to resort to having Lang throw up three pointers which seemed to be the same thing that would happen in tough games last year. This team needs to learn how to move the ball on offense when they are in a tough situation. But, that's why they play exhibition games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 07, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
Post by: billys on November 07, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
Nicole Christianson is a big addition for EC. Didn't know she was there. I haven't seen her since HS but assuming the natural skill progression she had a great WIAC body and athleticism back then. Add the toughness and experience of playing at the scholarship level for a few years and she'll make a definite impact. Good for her; she's a good kid.
I see Sam Barber came off the bench for UWSP yesterday and had a strong game (at least statistically). I'm guessing she'll play herself into the starting lineup fairly quickly.
I see Sam Barber came off the bench for UWSP yesterday and had a strong game (at least statistically). I'm guessing she'll play herself into the starting lineup fairly quickly.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoop_junkie on November 09, 2010, 09:23:18 AM
Post by: hoop_junkie on November 09, 2010, 09:23:18 AM
Quote from: JMM on November 07, 2010, 07:02:07 AM
Took in the EC intra squad game. Plendil looked very good in it. Also Callie Halama. EC needed mucho help in the guard area last year. A host of good quality ball handlers have now joined the team. Laura Olson really came on strong in the gaurd role last year (that was about it for EC) , Laura looked very good the other night, but did not shoot much. Messick was Messick, subtley played very well. To me, it never seeems like Messick is doing alot on offense until I see the final stats her point total is always there between 14-18. Really like her defense, aggressive but usually very few fouls. The twin towers (Messick and Plendil) looked very good in the game. EC has added yet more hieght. Emily Miller, chatfield (same as Messick) is a very strong and aggressive player. Nice addition. Another player I'm interested in seeing more of is Brynn Salava, Eleva-Strum. Those sitting by me say she is really good. My general impression with the many new freshman was that they all had played alot of hoops and were very in controll of their game, controlled in bringing the ball up (or over or under). Not forcing the ball in passing (Sorry upper classmen, EC still needs to work on not forcing the ball - it killed them last year - still saw some of this going on in the game). Finally and most importantly, two new faces on the team, Nicole Christianson, junior, (Chetek) transfer from Mankato State and Casteele Miller, sophmore, I beleive another transfer. Both play guard. They played a fair amount in the game. Both were very seasoned and exceptional ball handlers. Both were cool, calm and collective while under fire when the defense put pressure on them. Both appeared to be play-makers who could also shoot. Saw a few 3 pointers dropped by them as well.
Reminded me a liitle of Hendricks and Sonntag of WW (a liitle and pardon my spelling). Had that same mental toughness and extreme self assurance - seasoned. I could not wait to see the two WW players play and know WW will miss them. Sonntag had attitude and was fearless. Saw a little of that in both these players. Soooooo, the big question is will they fit in, will they play allot and will they be as they appear at first introduction - exceptional guards. If so EC may get a thought or two about the NCAA playoffs. That said, if the upperclassmen who have a tendency to throw too many forced, lazy, flopper passes, don't clean up their passing - don't even think about. Fundamentals - if she ain't open, don't throw her the ball and every haphazard pass is two points for the other team. It would be great if#21 Christianson and #20 Miller are what they at first glance appear to be, A number two finish in the WIAC (I really think SP is superb this year) and a trip to the playoff would be grand. Even without the two new additions, EC could go along way in the WIAC if they would do two things: get killer instinct and lose the toughtless uncontolled passes. Several well known names on the team who really shine, need to think before they pass. Good news is it appeared better than last year - that was tough to watch. Tonja, Becca, Amanda or Peg, if you ever read these amatuer posts, three days of intense passing drill and lots of film watching of last years games could correct this. Maybe even a $20 dollar fine for each not thought out pass - For you folk out there who take everything literal, I don't really mean this. Realize it is against the rules. Though, I do hear the pay in the WIAC is really good and the players could afford it. n
Christianson is at EC after having a baby and Casteele Miller is a transfer from Superior that came off the bench for them as a freshman. Not sure that Miller will make much of an impact, although she is a decent athlete.
As for UWSP, Barber could end up being their leading scorer this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 09, 2010, 06:00:11 PM
Post by: JMM on November 09, 2010, 06:00:11 PM
Thanks for info on Christianson and Miller.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 11, 2010, 05:58:46 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 11, 2010, 05:58:46 PM
Went to the UW Stout BB Bash last night.
I thought about giving a 700 word report about what I saw, but not claiming to be a great BB mind that can break down an early season intrasquad scrimmage like others here, I'll suffice it to say it was good to see the familar faces of the veterans that I know and to start to put faces and names together on the newcomers on the team.
It was also nice to see a number of former Stout players come out for the BB bash.
Stout opens their season next Monday against St. Cloud State University. They'll probably lose by 30, but it'll be a good experience for the newcomers to get ramped up for the speed of college BB.
Enjoyed visiting with Coach T and his extended family after the bash. Made plans to spend the weekend in Menomonie for the Turkey Shootout on the 27th and 28th.
I thought about giving a 700 word report about what I saw, but not claiming to be a great BB mind that can break down an early season intrasquad scrimmage like others here, I'll suffice it to say it was good to see the familar faces of the veterans that I know and to start to put faces and names together on the newcomers on the team.
It was also nice to see a number of former Stout players come out for the BB bash.
Stout opens their season next Monday against St. Cloud State University. They'll probably lose by 30, but it'll be a good experience for the newcomers to get ramped up for the speed of college BB.
Enjoyed visiting with Coach T and his extended family after the bash. Made plans to spend the weekend in Menomonie for the Turkey Shootout on the 27th and 28th.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2010, 01:09:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2010, 01:09:30 PM
UW-Stevens Point's Britta Petersen named to D3hoops.com preseason all american fourth team....http://d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2011
oops
oops
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on November 12, 2010, 02:59:14 PM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on November 12, 2010, 02:59:14 PM
It's Britta Petersen - but close :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
Some halftime scores:
Point 37
St. Thomas 40
SCSU 53
Stout 20
Stout with 26 1st half turnovers
Point 37
St. Thomas 40
SCSU 53
Stout 20
Stout with 26 1st half turnovers
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 15, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Post by: buf on November 15, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Point ends up winning a close one against UST.
Stout loses by 35 or so.
Stout loses by 35 or so.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2010, 06:55:23 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2010, 06:55:23 AM
It was no shocker that Stout lost by 37 (101 - 64) last night. I posted last week that the margin would be 30+.
The bad news was the number of turnovers - 26 in the first half alone - 39 for the game.
Bright spots after viewing the stats (I was working in Iowa yesterday, so couldn't make the game... :( ):
Trish VanVreede scored 16 points before fouling out.
Freshman guard Sami Schoeder started and scored 11 points and had only 3 of the 39 TO's in 30 minutes of playing time.
Transfer Gretta Layman also scored 11 and had 6 rebounds, off the bench.
Transfer Whitney Rawdon matched Layman's 6 boards.
Hopefully the exposure of the areas the team needs to work on helps prepare them for future games.
The bad news was the number of turnovers - 26 in the first half alone - 39 for the game.
Bright spots after viewing the stats (I was working in Iowa yesterday, so couldn't make the game... :( ):
Trish VanVreede scored 16 points before fouling out.
Freshman guard Sami Schoeder started and scored 11 points and had only 3 of the 39 TO's in 30 minutes of playing time.
Transfer Gretta Layman also scored 11 and had 6 rebounds, off the bench.
Transfer Whitney Rawdon matched Layman's 6 boards.
Hopefully the exposure of the areas the team needs to work on helps prepare them for future games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 16, 2010, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 16, 2010, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: The Champ on November 16, 2010, 06:55:23 AM
It was no shocker that Stout lost by 37 (101 - 64) last night. I posted last week that the margin would be 30+.
The bad news was the number of turnovers - 26 in the first half alone - 39 for the game.
Bright spots after viewing the stats (I was working in Iowa yesterday, so couldn't make the game... :( ):
Trish VanVreede scored 16 points before fouling out.
Freshman guard Sami Schoeder started and scored 11 points and had only 3 of the 39 TO's in 30 minutes of playing time.
Transfer Gretta Layman also scored 11 and had 6 rebounds, off the bench.
Transfer Whitney Rawdon matched Layman's 6 boards.
Hopefully the exposure of the areas the team needs to work on helps prepare them for future games.
Definitely agree with that last comment. A lot of people would say what good is losing a game by 37 going to do? I say it helps much more than beating a cupcake by 20.
This is D3 ball, so every team has plenty of things to work on. The coaches know what needs to be worked on for the most part, but a game like this can help get the player's buy in on what their issues are. Better to get them out in the open and start working on them. (Stout- turnovers, Lax- Free throws, etc...)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 16, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
Post by: buf on November 16, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
EC drops their opener on the road at #25 St Bens, 69-58. Looks like the turning point in this game came after Mesick got her 4 foul. Shortly after that, EC had a 49-44 lead. Five minutes later, Ben's was up 56-50. Mesick had 25pts and Bingea with 11pts. Others need to step up offensively.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2010, 10:09:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2010, 10:09:14 AM
Quote from: The Champ on November 16, 2010, 06:55:23 AM
It was no shocker that Stout lost by 37 (101 - 64) last night. I posted last week that the margin would be 30+.
The bad news was the number of turnovers - 26 in the first half alone - 39 for the game.
The good news is that in the second half they cut their turnovers in half. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2010, 10:09:14 AMThe good news is that in the second half they cut their turnovers in half. ;)
I recognized that fact, but thought it might be somewhat related to the fact that the St. Cloud starters had fewer minutes in the second half... :-\
But maybe it was the fact that the team got more used to the speed of college ball. The second half score was 48 - 44, a significant improvement from the 53 - 20 score at the half.
I expect that we'll know a little more about this team and how it stacks up against UWL after both the Eagles and the Blue Devils play in the Ripon tournament this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2010, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2010, 07:39:00 PM
Saw St. Ben's and EC. I think that St Ben's was the better team. Got open, dropped alot of 3s and played very good defense. Also EC (while better than last year) still threw the ball away-kind of as in a daze most of the secod half. Christiansen started and played most of the game. Messick was absolutely Awesome. She could not be stopped and St Ben's had a great defense out there .Blue Golds were also very winded in the second half. Saw Stout - oh boy- they got a long, long way to go - seems like a lot of new faces. I due like Wendt. After game seeing game 1 for Blue Golds and Stout - think the EC team is better. Laura Olson, Cristiansen, and Leah need to shot more - attack those baslines! Congrads to Hannah for her 1000 point. She was absolutley outstanding. Bingea and Plendil did pretty good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 18, 2010, 02:42:01 PM
Post by: billys on November 18, 2010, 02:42:01 PM
UWRF drops their opener at Gustavus (I think)
Noticed Danielle Jorgensen didn't play? Anyone at RF know why that is?
Noticed Danielle Jorgensen didn't play? Anyone at RF know why that is?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: roaringtwenties on November 19, 2010, 09:28:34 AM
Post by: roaringtwenties on November 19, 2010, 09:28:34 AM
Very puzzling, she also is no longer listed in the UWRF Roster!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 19, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
Post by: billys on November 19, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
Woah! That is really weird and a big hit to the Falcons. Yesterday after I posted I checked the roster just to make sure she was there and she was.
So either two things- they want to "gray shirt" her which means she can't be on the roster once they play a game. Obviously highly unlikely.
Or she left the team. I think injury redshirt is out cause you can keep a kid on your roster if that happens. I wouldn't be shocked if she left the team.
So either two things- they want to "gray shirt" her which means she can't be on the roster once they play a game. Obviously highly unlikely.
Or she left the team. I think injury redshirt is out cause you can keep a kid on your roster if that happens. I wouldn't be shocked if she left the team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
Off to a very slow start plagued by turnovers and missed shots the WARHAWKS fell behind by 13 points, 34-21, at the midway mark against Calvin in the Wisconsin Lutheran tournament. However the second half proved more productive as the WARHAWKS started fast closing the gap to a few points in the first 15 minutes and pulling ahead with a couple of minutes to play winning by six, 60-54. Dana Thompson was the only WARHAWK player to score in double points as the senior center tallied a double/double 28 points, 11 rebounds. It was a turnover plagued game with the two teams combining for 52 turnovers. In addition to Thompson's performance another indication of the difference between this year and last year was the WARHAWKS attempting only four three point shots. Free throws were the difference in this one as the WARHAWKS went 23 for 30 while Calvin was 12-15.
The WARHAWKS will play the winner of Heidelberg and the host Wisconsin Lutheran.
The WARHAWKS will play the winner of Heidelberg and the host Wisconsin Lutheran.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Post by: buf on November 19, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Also.....
UWO wins a close one over Mary Hardin Baylor (TX) after trailing at the half.
UWL is destroying Edgewood, something like 52-16 with 16min left.
RF with a narrow win over Simpson
UWO wins a close one over Mary Hardin Baylor (TX) after trailing at the half.
UWL is destroying Edgewood, something like 52-16 with 16min left.
RF with a narrow win over Simpson
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kestrel on November 19, 2010, 08:55:47 PM
Post by: kestrel on November 19, 2010, 08:55:47 PM
Word is that Danielle Jorgenson left the team at UWRF earlier this week at her father's insistence. He apparently felt his daughter was "too good" to be playing at the D III level. Furthermore, he expects her to re-enroll at UWM or another higher level program second semester and save this year of eligibility. Since he pays the tuition, the young woman does not have a lot of options.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2010, 10:19:55 PM
Post by: buf on November 19, 2010, 10:19:55 PM
UWEC wins 62-48 at Millikin. Mesick with 24pts, 14 rebs. Christianson with 16pts (4-8 on 3s). Cold shooting game for both teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 19, 2010, 10:57:50 PM
Post by: buf on November 19, 2010, 10:57:50 PM
Stout loses at Ripon 59-47.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 20, 2010, 01:36:21 AM
Post by: billys on November 20, 2010, 01:36:21 AM
Quote from: kestrel on November 19, 2010, 08:55:47 PMYep; was told she's trying to get back to Milwaukee.
Word is that Danielle Jorgenson left the team at UWRF earlier this week at her father's insistence. He apparently felt his daughter was "too good" to be playing at the D III level. Furthermore, he expects her to re-enroll at UWM or another higher level program second semester and save this year of eligibility. Since he pays the tuition, the young woman does not have a lot of options.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2010, 04:25:06 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2010, 04:25:06 PM
Stout wins a close one (I think by 4) over Edgewood. Edgewood had a couple opportunities in the last minute of the game to tie it at the FT line but missed. UWL defeated Edgewood by nearly 50 yesterday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 20, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 20, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
So, Superior lost to UW by 37, not the 50 guessed at AND scored 40 points. I think it was a moral victory for the Yellowjacket women.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: buf on November 20, 2010, 04:25:06 PMFor context, Edgewood played this weekend without their two starting senior guards due to injuries. I'd be a little concerned if I was Stout and didn't take care of the Eagles in decisive manner like La Crosse did.
Stout wins a close one (I think by 4) over Edgewood. Edgewood had a couple opportunities in the last minute of the game to tie it at the FT line but missed. UWL defeated Edgewood by nearly 50 yesterday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 20, 2010, 05:03:37 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 20, 2010, 05:03:37 PM
Edgewood played this weekend without their two starting senior guards
stout did not have starting point guard this weekend only had one day to get ready with out kimmy
stout did not have starting point guard this weekend only had one day to get ready with out kimmy
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 20, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
Post by: billys on November 20, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
La Crosse just DRILLING Ripon by 30 mid-way through the 2nd half. Looked good defensively in the full court and the half court.
If we learned anything this weekend it may be that Stout's in trouble this year. I don't care who was missing; if another team in your league goes into a tourney and wins a couple games in laughers and you struggle and BARELY split ... you've got a lot of improving to do.
If we learned anything this weekend it may be that Stout's in trouble this year. I don't care who was missing; if another team in your league goes into a tourney and wins a couple games in laughers and you struggle and BARELY split ... you've got a lot of improving to do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on November 20, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Post by: stoutguy on November 20, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 20, 2010, 04:27:34 PMPhoenix rising. This should be a fun year for me as am not going to do the broadcasts for basketball. (just the Sat. show) This means I will be able to be as sarcastic as you are in this post and will be able to say whatever I want. Can't wait.
So, Superior lost to UW by 37, not the 50 guessed at AND scored 40 points. I think it was a moral victory for the Yellowjacket women.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
Other scores:
No 2nd half comeback by UWW today, they fall to WI Lutheran, 79-68.
UWO was up 6 midway through the 2nd half but ranked St. Norberts came back to claim a 50-42 win.
EC drops one to Marian, 69-64. Don't really know if Marian is supposed to be good or not but I was expecting an EC win.
Me thinks the WIAC (except for Point and maybe LAX) is down this season.
No 2nd half comeback by UWW today, they fall to WI Lutheran, 79-68.
UWO was up 6 midway through the 2nd half but ranked St. Norberts came back to claim a 50-42 win.
EC drops one to Marian, 69-64. Don't really know if Marian is supposed to be good or not but I was expecting an EC win.
Me thinks the WIAC (except for Point and maybe LAX) is down this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 20, 2010, 07:32:35 PM
Post by: buf on November 20, 2010, 07:32:35 PM
Quote from: buf on November 20, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
EC drops one to Marian, 69-64. Don't really know if Marian is supposed to be good or not but I was expecting an EC win.
Oops! Just realized it is Marian, Indiana. I was thinking it was Marian, WI from the NATHC. Maybe not as bad of loss as I expected.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: pickleshiner on November 20, 2010, 10:26:08 PM
Post by: pickleshiner on November 20, 2010, 10:26:08 PM
Why hasn't Cassie Bandow played the last 2 games for UWSP?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on November 20, 2010, 10:42:43 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on November 20, 2010, 10:42:43 PM
Caught UW-River Falls blowout win (74-43) over Northwestern earlier this evening along with their stirring comeback victory against defending IIAC champion Simpson yesterday. Am so impressed with their athleticism and quickness. They've got two very good enforcers down low in Dohrn and House and the Gregorich sisters are truly something special. Wouldn't surprise me at all if this group finds a way to win the WIAC this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on November 21, 2010, 12:18:26 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on November 21, 2010, 12:18:26 PM
I had heard that Cassie had some kind of medical procedure done to one of her knees. This was done, I believe, about 12 days ago and that she would be out 2-4 weeks from that time. She was not suited up for last Thursday's game and she was walking with a slight limp. The next game is Tuesday and we'll see if she is suited up or gets any minutes then.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2010, 10:05:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2010, 10:05:33 PM
The Lady WARHAWKS get a big win tonight defeating #3 ranked Illinois Wesleyan 74-60 in Bloomington. Dominating the boards, 49-28 (19 offensive), the WARHAWKS took the lead to as many as twenty three before Wesleyan made a run down the stretch to close the gap. Emily Bestor, Jamie Swanson and Katie Burton led the WARHAWKS in scoring each with eleven points. Dana Thompson led the team in rebounding with six and Kaitlyn Thill had five steals. The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game.
I have to admit this one took me by surprise. It was the team's second win over a ranked team having previously beaten #24 ranked Calvin and improves the team's record to 2-1.
I have to admit this one took me by surprise. It was the team's second win over a ranked team having previously beaten #24 ranked Calvin and improves the team's record to 2-1.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 23, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2010, 10:05:33 PM
The Lady WARHAWKS get a big win tonight defeating #3 ranked Illinois Wesleyan 74-60 in Bloomington. Dominating the boards, 49-28 (19 offensive), the WARHAWKS took the lead to as many as twenty three before Wesleyan made a run down the stretch to close the gap. Emily Bestor, Jamie Swanson and Katie Burton led the WARHAWKS in scoring each with eleven points. Dana Thompson led the team in rebounding with six and Kaitlyn Thill had five steals. The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game.
I have to admit this one took me by surprise. It was the team's second win over a ranked team having previously beaten #24 ranked Calvin and improves the team's record to 2-1.
Wins over Calvin and IWU and a loss to Wis. Lutheran? Bizarre.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2010, 10:37:03 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 23, 2010, 10:37:03 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 23, 2010, 10:20:20 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2010, 10:05:33 PM
The Lady WARHAWKS get a big win tonight defeating #3 ranked Illinois Wesleyan 74-60 in Bloomington. Dominating the boards, 49-28 (19 offensive), the WARHAWKS took the lead to as many as twenty three before Wesleyan made a run down the stretch to close the gap. Emily Bestor, Jamie Swanson and Katie Burton led the WARHAWKS in scoring each with eleven points. Dana Thompson led the team in rebounding with six and Kaitlyn Thill had five steals. The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game.
I have to admit this one took me by surprise. It was the team's second win over a ranked team having previously beaten #24 ranked Calvin and improves the team's record to 2-1.
Wins over Calvin and IWU and a loss to Wis. Lutheran? Bizarre.
Yeah, and I can't even find Tanya Harding on their roster! :o
Thar IS a bizarre start to the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:06:18 PM
Post by: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:06:18 PM
Other scores:
Another surprise as Millikin knocks off Point, 73-71, in Point
UWO easily over Ripon, 69-43
RF easily over Macalester, 72-53
Stout easily over Northwestern, 72-49
UWEC uses a big 1st half to go on to win, 73-56, over #21 St. Norberts
UWP narrowly defeats Alverno, 68-63
UMD easily over Superior, 95-56
Last time I checked, UWL was easily winning over Viterbo in the 2nd half
Another surprise as Millikin knocks off Point, 73-71, in Point
UWO easily over Ripon, 69-43
RF easily over Macalester, 72-53
Stout easily over Northwestern, 72-49
UWEC uses a big 1st half to go on to win, 73-56, over #21 St. Norberts
UWP narrowly defeats Alverno, 68-63
UMD easily over Superior, 95-56
Last time I checked, UWL was easily winning over Viterbo in the 2nd half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:08:57 PM
Post by: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:08:57 PM
Congrats to UWW on their huge win. I sure didn't see that one coming. Was it last season that IWU came to UWW and won big?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:15:09 PM
Post by: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: buf on November 20, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
Me thinks the WIAC (except for Point and maybe LAX) is down this season.
Perhaps I was a bit "quick on the trigger" on the above comment made a few days ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
Saw EC against #21 St. Norbert. Just simply overpowered them in all aspects. If this is the real team it could be a wonderful year. Messick continues to amaze - she is the real deal. Her defense is actually beter then her offense. Plendil is doingwhat she needs to and the Blugolds have real guards! Christensen and Olson are doing good. Lots of great players and weapons here. The defense really stung St Norbert in the first half. Just locked them down. Englund had a lot of bench players in. Saw the Blugolds on Internet Video against Milikin. They did it right in that game too. See Steven's point fell to Milikin tonight. Buckle up gang, could be a wonderful year for the WIAC Women. EC seems very confident and much more mature. Also looks like WW is off to a good start as well,
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
Wow, WoW, WoW - way to go WW. Marvelous, simply Marvelous. Love the Woman's WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 23, 2010, 11:49:46 PM
Post by: billys on November 23, 2010, 11:49:46 PM
Quite a night between the WIAC and CCIW
WW goes to IWU and wins but Millikin goes to Point and wins? Get out of here.
BTW- I'm afraid I'm going to be cheering against Messick by the end of the year if I am told how "amazing" "incredible" and "unbelievable" she is. Seriously, it's tired.
WW goes to IWU and wins but Millikin goes to Point and wins? Get out of here.
BTW- I'm afraid I'm going to be cheering against Messick by the end of the year if I am told how "amazing" "incredible" and "unbelievable" she is. Seriously, it's tired.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2010, 05:55:50 AM
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2010, 05:55:50 AM
Got it on Messick. Believe she has close to 100 pts in the first 4 games. It is her defense that amazes me. Anyhow, got your point and will tone it down here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 07:16:05 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 07:16:05 AM
Quote from: billys on November 20, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
La Crosse just DRILLING Ripon by 30 mid-way through the 2nd half. Looked good defensively in the full court and the half court.
If we learned anything this weekend it may be that Stout's in trouble this year. I don't care who was missing; if another team in your league goes into a tourney and wins a couple games in laughers and you struggle and BARELY split ... you've got a lot of improving to do.
I appreciate your thoughts - to an extent. But this is the preseason....
Last year, Stout started 0 - 3, with losses to Carroll and Cardinal Stritch after the loss in the season opener with St. Cloud. Stout lost to Carrol by 25 points. Carroll lost twice during the regular season to Ripon - a team that was demolished by UWL in the preseason.
To open the WIAC season - Stout won 3 of the first 4 games - losing to Point, but winning against WW, UWL and EC. All of those games happened within a period of 30 games.
The only point I'm trying to make is sometimes too much emphasis is placed on what happens in the preseason.
I really enjoy your posting, billy - keep it up!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 07:24:59 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 07:24:59 AM
Last night at Stout...
Congratulations to Sr. Trish VanVreede last night! Had her career best 23 point night and a double/double with 11 rebounds - both highs for the game.
Sophomore Kayla Windt added 15 points (her career best) with 100% shooting (3 treys and 3 deuces in 6 attempts).
Katie DeWitt led NWC with 22 points and 5 boards.
Congratulations to Sr. Trish VanVreede last night! Had her career best 23 point night and a double/double with 11 rebounds - both highs for the game.
Sophomore Kayla Windt added 15 points (her career best) with 100% shooting (3 treys and 3 deuces in 6 attempts).
Katie DeWitt led NWC with 22 points and 5 boards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 24, 2010, 08:49:59 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 24, 2010, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 07:24:59 AM
Last night at Stout...
Congratulations to Sr. Trish VanVreede last night! Had her career best 23 point night and a double/double with 11 rebounds - both highs for the game.
Sophomore Kayla Windt added 15 points (her career best) with 100% shooting (3 treys and 3 deuces in 6 attempts).
Katie DeWitt led NWC with 22 points and 5 boards.
If there is no praising Messick around here, there sure as heck is no praising a 23 point performance vs. one of the worst teams in MN. ;D
Seriously though, Champ you are right on about this being the preseason. It is going to be a long season in the WIAC like usual. I expect the usuals to rise to the top.
Caught the UWL game last night. Team looks miles ahead of where they were at this point last year. Everyone is getting on the same page and the defense is tough. The question is still going to be where do the points come from outside of Lang chucking up 25 3 point attempts a game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 09:12:35 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on November 24, 2010, 08:49:59 AMIf there is no praising Messick around here, there sure as heck is no praising a 23 point performance vs. one of the worst teams in MN. ;D
Isn't there a difference between congratulating a player on a career best compared to trying to tell people that a player is the best ever in the WIAC and shouldn't even be playing DIII ball..... ;D
Oh, did I mention that Trish plays defense too.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 24, 2010, 09:18:02 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 24, 2010, 09:18:02 AM
It's the non-conference season. The NFL has a preseason. Preseason games don't count. These games count.
If I didn't correct it, Gregory Sager would be in here in a minute to do it anyway. Carry on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2010, 09:40:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2010, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: buf on November 23, 2010, 11:08:57 PM
Congrats to UWW on their huge win. I sure didn't see that one coming. Was it last season that IWU came to UWW and won big?
Yes, last year they came into Williams Center and drilled the WARHAWKS 87-58. At the time I made the comment that they looked like the best women's team I had ever seen. Admittedly my exposure to the women's programs nationally is limited but they just looked really, really good that night.
I see that the wrap up on the school's website indicates IWU is #6 not #3. They used the USA/ESPN poll. I was going by D3hoops.com preseason poll and hadn't seen anything that was updated. Regardless it was a very good win against a very good program and on their court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 24, 2010, 11:55:01 AM
Post by: billys on November 24, 2010, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 07:16:05 AMFeel free to disagree, no hard feelings here.Quote from: billys on November 20, 2010, 05:45:14 PM
La Crosse just DRILLING Ripon by 30 mid-way through the 2nd half. Looked good defensively in the full court and the half court.
If we learned anything this weekend it may be that Stout's in trouble this year. I don't care who was missing; if another team in your league goes into a tourney and wins a couple games in laughers and you struggle and BARELY split ... you've got a lot of improving to do.
I appreciate your thoughts - to an extent. But this is the preseason....
Last year, Stout started 0 - 3, with losses to Carroll and Cardinal Stritch after the loss in the season opener with St. Cloud. Stout lost to Carrol by 25 points. Carroll lost twice during the regular season to Ripon - a team that was demolished by UWL in the preseason.
To open the WIAC season - Stout won 3 of the first 4 games - losing to Point, but winning against WW, UWL and EC. All of those games happened within a period of 30 games.
The only point I'm trying to make is sometimes too much emphasis is placed on what happens in the preseason.
I really enjoy your posting, billy - keep it up!
Last year I wouldn't have been concerned cause they had some proven commodities; notably the best player in the league. When you have the best player on the floor I think you've always got a chance.
I know they'll improve but I watched some of those games this weekend and the competition was weak; Edgewood was not good.
This year too Stout has that same brutal schedule to start.
I tried to be ambiguous in my post and say Stout MAY be in trouble and that they have a lot of improving to do so as not to bury them. I don't put it past Coach Thomas to have them beating teams that have more talent. I do think their talent level is down right now compared to the 4 or 5 schools I would pick ahead of them. But I'm sure they'll win 3 or 4 (or more) against those schools.
Like I said a few months ago I really believe in "programs" that know how to win and expect to win. I still think Stout is one of those programs and has that advantage going for them against teams like La Crosse and River Falls who are just on the edge of that. I also know they have a head coach that expects to win ... and I don't think everyone's got that either.
We should maybe all "revise" our picks right before the conference opener?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 24, 2010, 01:08:54 PM
Post by: buf on November 24, 2010, 01:08:54 PM
Going through the boxscores, I see that Point was up 6 with 52 seconds left, and ended up losing by 2. Was anyone there? What happened?
Totally agree on the preseason/nonconference thing, JustBill. Those in-region nonconference games count big time, especially when Pool C time comes around.
Totally agree on the preseason/nonconference thing, JustBill. Those in-region nonconference games count big time, especially when Pool C time comes around.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2010, 02:11:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 24, 2010, 02:11:23 PM
A Point shooting foul game Milikin a three point play. Then Point turned the ball over (steal) and Milikin scored again. Finally Point missed a jump shot with 12 seconds remaining and Milikin's three pointer was good. Point had one last chance but missed a desperation shot.
I saw the Milikin team eating a late lunch at the Janesville Ponderosa yesterday. I spoke briefly with their coach and when they said they were headed to Point I thought it would be a long drive home. It probably was a long drive but from the looks of it they probably enjoyed it more than I thought they would.
I saw the Milikin team eating a late lunch at the Janesville Ponderosa yesterday. I spoke briefly with their coach and when they said they were headed to Point I thought it would be a long drive home. It probably was a long drive but from the looks of it they probably enjoyed it more than I thought they would.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: palum on November 24, 2010, 03:13:50 PM
Post by: palum on November 24, 2010, 03:13:50 PM
Platteville's new coach earned her 1st victory last night 68-63 over Alverno in Milwaukee.
http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/1011/alverno.html
http://www.uwplatt.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/1011/alverno.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 04:11:02 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 24, 2010, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: billys on November 24, 2010, 11:55:01 AMI tried to be ambiguous in my post and say Stout MAY be in trouble and that they have a lot of improving to do so as not to bury them.
I did see where you had used the word "MAY", and that's why I made the comments I did. BTW, where I posted 30 games, I meant 30 days. I also realize that the known talent pool is down from previous seasons.
I was at those early
I was not at those early games this year, and you evidently were. Your opinion on what you saw is more valid than my looking at the post game stats.
I'm hoping Coach T can take this group and mold them into winners - to continue a WIAC season winning tradition of 20 years or so.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2010, 10:35:28 AM
Messick made the D3 team of the week and rightly so. Congrats Hannah. This is not preseason by the way. The match ups now have a huge bearing on NCAA tournament, St. Ben's and St. Norberts are both in the region. The loss to ST Ben's can be huge to the Blugolds. No one has claimed that Messick is the best player in the WIAC. She happened to have 4 outstanding games against some darn good competition. St. Ben's has a great team. St. Norberts was ranked 21. Milikin did beat Point and Marian, I believe is a DII school. Beleive that the D3 team of the week justify's my comments on Messick and am not just a "Homer". Anyhow, everyone knows that EC's Kristi Channing was the best player in WIAC history! Though, I do think Julia H. from Stout was pretty good and somewhere in the top 11 list. (Early word is Stout may play a "box and one" to try contain Messick. See them practicing that in Johnson Field House at night.) Now, now, don't get your underwear in a knot. Just kidding on the box and one thing. Laugh a little.
Status of Stout, I have seen them play twice. They have a long way to go. Pretty rough right now. Someone needs to become a leader on the court. Could be Windt. It is hard to figure Stout out right now. A lot of new faces; don't look at all like the last 6 years. Could be a goood thing - they need to gel.
Status of Stout, I have seen them play twice. They have a long way to go. Pretty rough right now. Someone needs to become a leader on the court. Could be Windt. It is hard to figure Stout out right now. A lot of new faces; don't look at all like the last 6 years. Could be a goood thing - they need to gel.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 27, 2010, 10:26:56 PM
Post by: buf on November 27, 2010, 10:26:56 PM
UWEC defeats D2 #25 ranked Minnesota Mankato, 66-54. Mesick had 24pts, 11reb, 4steals. EC shot 22-28 from the FT line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 27, 2010, 10:41:50 PM
Post by: JMM on November 27, 2010, 10:41:50 PM
As stated above, EC takes down 25th, DII ranked Minnesota State. EC played even the first half and then stayed the course by keeping a 4-6 point lead throughout the second. It was EC defense that really secured the win and free throws. EC brilliantly used Messick and Plendil. Feeding both as they broke down under toward the basket. EC had a total of 9 blocked shots on MN State. They played exceptional defense. While Hannah M had 23 points, it was a team effort. EC may have developed a maturity. They did not panic in the second half and stayed the course in a tough game. The EC guards had no problems with Miinnesota State defensive pressure and easiy broke the press time and time again. Tonya Englund did a magnifiient job coaching and utilizimg her players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2010, 10:46:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2010, 10:46:22 PM
After shooting a lethargic 29% and holding a three point lead 29-26 at the half the WARHAWKS got untracked in the second half to outscore Clarke 45-16 and cruise to the 74-42 win. Twelve WARHAWKS scored in the game led by JamieSwanson (11 points) and Emily Bestor (10 points). Dana Thompson led the way with 8 rebounds as the WARHAWKS out rebounded Clarke 46-30 (19 offensive).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 27, 2010, 11:27:31 PM
Post by: JMM on November 27, 2010, 11:27:31 PM
Curious about WW, they are doing exceptional - any details on them as a whhole.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 27, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
Post by: billys on November 27, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
Quote from: buf on November 27, 2010, 10:26:56 PMGreat job by the 'Golds.
UWEC defeats D2 #25 ranked Minnesota Mankato, 66-54. Mesick had 24pts, 11reb, 4steals. EC shot 22-28 from the FT line.
I don't think Mankato is a legitimate Top 25 D2 team (more ranked on past success). But still a solid D2 team; great win for the WIAC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 28, 2010, 07:21:34 AM
Post by: JMM on November 28, 2010, 07:21:34 AM
Now that the Blugolds have beaten Minnesota State, of couse they may not be ranked 25th. Up until they lost to the Blugolds, Mankato was about as legitimate as legitimate can be at the 25th ranked DII team. They were ranked 25th, correct?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 28, 2010, 10:07:27 AM
Post by: billys on November 28, 2010, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: JMM on November 28, 2010, 07:21:34 AMEarly in the year there are lots of teams ranked that aren't anywhere near the Top 25 in the country. The D2 poll had like 6 teams drop out after the first week. All I'm saying is I know how their team compares to others in D2, and they're not a Top 25 team.
Now that the Blugolds have beaten Minnesota State, of couse they may not be ranked 25th. Up until they lost to the Blugolds, Mankato was about as legitimate as legitimate can be at the 25th ranked DII team. They were ranked 25th, correct?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 28, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
Post by: billys on November 28, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
I just realized in re-reading that initial post it came off as a slight to UWEC; my apologies to the Golds. My intial reaction when hearing it yesterday was that I wasn't that surprised cause Mankato is a solid, but not great team. I didn't realized they had received a ranking so when I read that, that was my reaction.
No disrespect meant to their loss ... that's a great win.
No disrespect meant to their loss ... that's a great win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 28, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
Post by: JMM on November 28, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
Appreciate your post. Will Mankato remain in the top 25? Having attended the game last night and judging that Mavericks don't have much height, I doubt that they will make the top 25. The players that were on the court for Mankato were very good. I also think from what I saw that Mankato has a menacing defense (it showed at times last night) however, there was a maturity in the Blugolds and when the half court pressure was applied, the blugolds just went down under and did damage. Guess what I'm trying to say is the defense could be the deal for Mankato: steal, run, break. They couldn't do that last nigt.
The Blugold defense was outstanding. With Plendil, Messick in 60% of the time, it is really hard to score underneath. The remaining blugold players (and those who come off the bench) play outstanding defense in an around the key. You cannot go down under on them or use the baseline. They unfortunally get a little lazy in pressuiring in anyway possible the 3 PT. shot. The golds did correct that problem in the second half, otherwise it could have been a loss.
There is a good chemistry this year for Eau Claire. Good fit between Englund and the team and the players know eah other quite a bit. It is remarkable when Plendil and Messick are in that they don' get in each others way. Finally, it is obvious that Messick is outstanding on Offense. Her defense has been better than offense. If Plendil continues to develop and show what she showed last night on defense (standing straight up and defending the territory not going after the ball), Look out -EC could have a grand season. A big if.
The Blugold defense was outstanding. With Plendil, Messick in 60% of the time, it is really hard to score underneath. The remaining blugold players (and those who come off the bench) play outstanding defense in an around the key. You cannot go down under on them or use the baseline. They unfortunally get a little lazy in pressuiring in anyway possible the 3 PT. shot. The golds did correct that problem in the second half, otherwise it could have been a loss.
There is a good chemistry this year for Eau Claire. Good fit between Englund and the team and the players know eah other quite a bit. It is remarkable when Plendil and Messick are in that they don' get in each others way. Finally, it is obvious that Messick is outstanding on Offense. Her defense has been better than offense. If Plendil continues to develop and show what she showed last night on defense (standing straight up and defending the territory not going after the ball), Look out -EC could have a grand season. A big if.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 28, 2010, 02:24:10 PM
Post by: billys on November 28, 2010, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: JMM on November 28, 2010, 01:10:22 PMI guess what I was trying to say without saying it is the D2 poll is a joke. Mankato is picked for EIGHTH in their conference, they are at best an average D2 team. Mankato made a cinderella run to a national title a few years ago and now gets ranked because people know their name. They will be lucky to be .500 in their league. D2 doesn't have a D3 Hoops type resource who actually know about other teams regionally; so basically once you have a nice postseason run you buy about 5 years of national recognition even when you're not very good.
Appreciate your post. Will Mankato remain in the top 25? Having attended the game last night and judging that Mavericks don't have much height, I doubt that they will make the top 25. The players that were on the court for Mankato were very good. I also think from what I saw that Mankato has a menacing defense (it showed at times last night) however, there was a maturity in the Blugolds and when the half court pressure was applied, the blugolds just went down under and did damage. Guess what I'm trying to say is the defense could be the deal for Mankato: steal, run, break. They couldn't do that last nigt.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 28, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Post by: buf on November 28, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Carroll defeats Stout, 78-63 at Johnson Fieldhouse. I watched a bit of the webcast. Stout looked better than last week. Stout puts a pretty good starting 5 out there, but there seems to be a large dropoff when the bench comes in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 28, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 28, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
UWL gets 2 good wins this weekend.
Saturday they beat Northwestern handily with 2 starters (Frank & Litrenta) out with sprained ankles. Northwestern was not as bad as I thought they would be and it was good for UWL's bench to get some meaningful minutes.
Today UWL beat the University of Chicago in a very close game that was back and forth until the very end. Ended up winning by 6 with some free throws at the end. This was a great tune up before playing WW this week.
Looking forward to the conference season.
Saturday they beat Northwestern handily with 2 starters (Frank & Litrenta) out with sprained ankles. Northwestern was not as bad as I thought they would be and it was good for UWL's bench to get some meaningful minutes.
Today UWL beat the University of Chicago in a very close game that was back and forth until the very end. Ended up winning by 6 with some free throws at the end. This was a great tune up before playing WW this week.
Looking forward to the conference season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 28, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
Post by: JMM on November 28, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
saw the stout game. Ouch! There is a huge drop off after the starting 5 as stated above. Stout may be in for a long year. MT is going to get grey hair (again). There are 2-3 starters who do well. I still really like Windt. Any one know why #22 Layman the transfer never goes in - . She would bring some hieght. Wasn't she a DII transfer? She seems out of place riding the bench. Specially given the fall off in talent after the starting 5. Keerh does well also.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 29, 2010, 06:34:03 PM
Post by: buf on November 29, 2010, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: JMM on November 28, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
Any one know why #22 Layman the transfer never goes in - . She would bring some hieght. Wasn't she a DII transfer?
I think that both Layman and EC's Christianson transfered from Minnesota-Mankato, the team EC played this past weekend. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I saw Layman enter Zorn Arena on Saturday to catch the 2nd half of the game. Stout played at 5:00, EC at 7:00
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2010, 09:05:17 PM
Post by: JMM on November 29, 2010, 09:05:17 PM
Any insights to why Layman isn't playing. I was at Stout on Sunday till about 12 minutes left. Didn't appear she played much. Stats show she played 3 minutes. Given the lack of depth on the team, don't you think MT would use her? They could use the hieght. She must be OK if she was with Mankato for 2-3 years. Maybe she doesn't fit the teams or coach's style of play? Any insghts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2010, 10:47:30 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 29, 2010, 10:47:30 PM
I can't tell you why Layman isn't playing, but I watched parts of both Stout games at Ripon on the webcast. The benches were too far from the camera to hear the coaches, but I distinctly remember the only word I could hear Mark Thomas say through the webcast each night was "Greta!!". And not in a good way.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2010, 12:55:35 AM
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2010, 12:55:35 AM
Hopefully she gets out of the dog house soon. Sounds like a tough start. Hope she can shake it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 30, 2010, 03:12:56 PM
Post by: buf on November 30, 2010, 03:12:56 PM
A new d3 top 25 came out this week. The WIAC is well represented:
#8 Point
#16 UWL
#23 UWW
RV UWEC
RV UWRF
#8 Point
#16 UWL
#23 UWW
RV UWEC
RV UWRF
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 30, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 30, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
Quote from: JMM on November 28, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
saw the stout game. Ouch! There is a huge drop off after the starting 5 as stated above. Stout may be in for a long year. MT is going to get grey hair (again). There are 2-3 starters who do well. I still really like Windt. Any one know why #22 Layman the transfer never goes in - . She would bring some hieght. Wasn't she a DII transfer? She seems out of place riding the bench. Specially given the fall off in talent after the starting 5. Keerh does well also.
I'm basing my comments after seeing both games this weekend, and only basing them on what I saw.
On Saturday, I paid particular attention to Greta - as I was hoping to see what she could do to help our squad. To put it mildly, I wasn't impressed. In her 12 minutes, she seemed to have trouble with the speed of the game. Her shooting (1 of 5 from the floor and 1 of 3 from the line) was lackluster and she only had 1 rebound - not what I expected from a Senior with D2 experience - and the tallest player on the roster.
And this was against St. Scholastica - which is not a very good BB team.
On Sunday, Carrol presented a much tougher (and faster) opponent. If you were paying attention when Greta came in with the second unit at 14:55 of the first period, you would have noticed the lack of speed to counter the style of play that Carrol has. In the 2 minutes and 31 seconds she was on the floor, she took one shot (missed) and no rebounds. But more importantly, Carrol went on a 7 - 0 run.
At 12:24, T must have seen enough, and put the starting unit back out. Stout went on an 18 - 8 run before the next multi player substitution. For the rest of the first half, without Greta on the floor, but with multiple other substuitutions being made, Stout actually tied the game up (twice), before ending the half down 2.
At the start of the 2nd half, Stout actually took the lead for a brief period. But ultimately, Carrol did gt the lead back and as noted already, Stout lost by 15.
I did find it interesting that the Carrol coach, in a non conference game, kept her 2 best players on the court most of the game. Menden left the court for the first time with 33 seconds left in the game and Seewald played 35 minutes (3 minutes off in the first half, and1 minute in the second half before the coach pulled all the starters with 33 seconds left. Why have these players on the floor when you have a 19 point lead with less than 5 minutes to play?
I do agree with you that both Kimmy and Kayla have talent.
But I'm not sure why you failed to comment on the other three starters - who had as good or better games?
Senior Trish had the team high in scoring with 23 points and added 8 boards and 3 steals, Sophomore transfer Whitney had a double double and 2 steals while the Freshman Sami contributed 6 points, 3 boards and 2 steals (more than Kimmy had in each category).
Stout is far from a perfect team right now, but T made sure that everyone played. I think he's still experimenting with the second group trying to find the players that are up to the challenge. There is talent that needs to be developed in the second unit - IMHO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2010, 07:22:02 PM
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2010, 07:22:02 PM
Picks for WEDS Dec 1:
SP over Stout by 20
LC over WW by 5
RF over SUP by 11
EC over OSH by 12
SP over Stout by 20
LC over WW by 5
RF over SUP by 11
EC over OSH by 12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
Nice win by the Pioneers last night defeating Milikin 70-64 in OT on the Big Blue's home court. Milikin was 4-29 from beyond the arch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2010, 11:55:47 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2010, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
Nice win by the Pioneers last night defeating Milikin 70-64 in OT on the Big Blue's home court. Milikin was 4-29 from beyond the arch.
Wow. Another perplexing result. Milikin beats Point on the road and then loses to Platteville at home. I'm sure Coach Wilson got a good scouting report from Coach Egner, but still that's an unexpected result.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RogK on December 01, 2010, 12:51:21 PM
Post by: RogK on December 01, 2010, 12:51:21 PM
If Millikin was 4 of 29 from beyond the arch, that's pretty good because the arch is in St Louis.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Obviously that would be a difficult shot. Much more difficult than one that was behind the arc which, unfortunately for them, Milikin didn't shoot any better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Point all over Stout in the first half tonight. 36-14 with 5 minutes to go in the 1st.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 01, 2010, 08:52:55 PM
Post by: buf on December 01, 2010, 08:52:55 PM
Halftime scores:
UWEC over UWO, 35-15. UWO with only 3FGs (3-26)
UWW over UWL, 43-34. UWW was up 14 with 30sec left. UWL goes on 5-0 run.
Point over Stout, 44-21. Point already playing deep into their bench.
UWEC over UWO, 35-15. UWO with only 3FGs (3-26)
UWW over UWL, 43-34. UWW was up 14 with 30sec left. UWL goes on 5-0 run.
Point over Stout, 44-21. Point already playing deep into their bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2010, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 01, 2010, 09:35:40 PM
Point jumped out to a 30-8 lead and threw it into cruise control for essetially the rest of the game, winning 79-55. Both teams shot about the same percentage from the field, but Point went 7-17 from three while Stout was just 3-14. Stout also had 26 turnovers to Point's 10.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 01, 2010, 09:51:02 PM
Post by: buf on December 01, 2010, 09:51:02 PM
Some other final scores:
UWEC over UWO, 64-52. Balanced scoring by EC's starters.
UWW over UWL, 83-62. Burg and Kumerow go to work.
Good road wins for each team. UWW is looking a lot better than I thought they would.
UWEC over UWO, 64-52. Balanced scoring by EC's starters.
UWW over UWL, 83-62. Burg and Kumerow go to work.
Good road wins for each team. UWW is looking a lot better than I thought they would.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2010, 10:01:46 PM
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2010, 10:01:46 PM
Agree UWW is look'in real good. Otherwise no WIAC surprises tonight. EC could have won by 20 or more but got real, real sloppy. They need to deal with sloppy turnovers if they want to go far. While the game was never close, EC did not play well for most of the second half. They do not like the trip to Oshkosh and have faultered there in the past. Good news is Plendil is getting better and better - really showed tonight. Also EC defense is outstading. The defense continues to be the strength of this team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 01, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 01, 2010, 10:40:37 PM
Just got back from the WW UWL game. Not much has changed with whitewater this year. They are fast, strong, and athletic. Tough team to play if you are sloppy with the basketball as UWL was. WW jumped out to a 14 point lead late in the first, UWL actually went up 1 with 10ish minutes left in the 2nd half and really looked like they were ready to really blow this game open..... Then the wheels came loose.
Very impressed with 43 on WW as usual. She is an eagle killer. Also, the point guard #5 played an unbelievable game. She definitely does not play like a freshman, has a lot of poise and makes great decisions with the ball. 55 for WW didn't miss many shots, very solid. She played a quiet game, but racked up a lot of points on mid range jumpers.
On to EC. Suddenly this matchup Saturday got a lot more significant so early in the season. I'll start getting nervous if the eagles start 1-3 in their first 4 conference games like last year.
Very impressed with 43 on WW as usual. She is an eagle killer. Also, the point guard #5 played an unbelievable game. She definitely does not play like a freshman, has a lot of poise and makes great decisions with the ball. 55 for WW didn't miss many shots, very solid. She played a quiet game, but racked up a lot of points on mid range jumpers.
On to EC. Suddenly this matchup Saturday got a lot more significant so early in the season. I'll start getting nervous if the eagles start 1-3 in their first 4 conference games like last year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Agree EC vs LAX is a big match up especially with UWW off to a great start. I admit I'm an EC fan.I do think it will be super hard for LAX to take EC at Zorn unless EC goes into the doldrums like they did with OSH tonight, then LAX could win. We will see.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bgbacker on December 01, 2010, 11:23:06 PM
Post by: bgbacker on December 01, 2010, 11:23:06 PM
Not sure .. but it sounds like EC went "into the doldrums" after they were up by 25. They almost had a pair of double-doubles (Plendl was one rebound short).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 02, 2010, 10:46:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 02, 2010, 10:46:11 AM
The freshman point guard for the WARHAWKS is Kaitlyn Thill (#5). She's the sister of ex-WARHAWK Trisha Thill and every bit as good. Her line for last night reads 12 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 7 steals and 0 turnovers in 27 minutes. Chantel Burg (#43) and Cortney Kumerow (#55) each went 7-10 from the floor to finish with 17 points apiece. Burg also had 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 3 steals. Kumerow is the daughter of ex-Ohio State All American linebacker Eric Kumerow who played professionally for the Miami Dolphins. Freshman Mary Merg finished with 11 points on 3-5 shooting from beyond the arc. One glaring stat was turnovers where LaCrosse had 27, 16 of which were steals and the WARHAWKS had a season low 13. Also bench scoring which the WARHAWKS dominated 43-11.
Danielle Frank led LaCrosse with a double-double 12 points, 14 rebounds. Lindsey Litrenta and Dana Churchill added 11 and 10 points respectively.
It was the second time this season that the WARHAWKS have defeated a ranked team on the road.
Danielle Frank led LaCrosse with a double-double 12 points, 14 rebounds. Lindsey Litrenta and Dana Churchill added 11 and 10 points respectively.
It was the second time this season that the WARHAWKS have defeated a ranked team on the road.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 02, 2010, 12:01:34 PM
Post by: billys on December 02, 2010, 12:01:34 PM
Until La Crosse proves they can win big games, I'm not buying.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
Quote from: billys on December 02, 2010, 12:01:34 PM
Until La Crosse proves they can win big games, I'm not buying.
I wouldn't call the 1st game in a 16 game season a big game, but since you are...
Wins that would qualify as "big game wins" under your methodology last year:
Double OT win at Stout
Sweep of RF
20 point blowout of Point
Losses:
Swept by EC and WW
loss at Point
If these regular season games are considered "big games" I would say UWL has fared pretty well over the last year and definitely shown they can compete with anyone.
Personally "big games" are playoff games to me which obviously UWL struggled in last year. So, I'll save the big game comments until one actually comes along. Until then every game is just another night in the competitive WIAC trying to get better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 02, 2010, 04:31:23 PM
Post by: billys on December 02, 2010, 04:31:23 PM
Big games to me are tournament games and games that can win you a regular season title.
If you want to contend for the league you better not lose many conference home games. Game 1 of 16 or not; if you're hoping to compete for the title and you've got a fellow contender at home ... if you don't call it big, I'll at least call it pretty important. Now you've got to win at their place to avoid a sweep.
My point from last night is I'm not sure why I was thinking I'd pick La Crosse to win that game.
And if you look at their history in Heeren's career they have won but maybe one conference tournament game? Last night just reminded me not to trust them.
And for the record your picks of "big games" leaves them at 4-5. That's not all that impressive unless you're shooting for the middle of the pack.
Not sure if you have a daughter on the team and that's why your perspective is more recent; but many of us that have been around for last last 8-10 would say the same. In fact I believe someone did a month or two about how they always hear this is the year for La Crosse and River Falls.
Last night just reminded me of that.
If you want to contend for the league you better not lose many conference home games. Game 1 of 16 or not; if you're hoping to compete for the title and you've got a fellow contender at home ... if you don't call it big, I'll at least call it pretty important. Now you've got to win at their place to avoid a sweep.
My point from last night is I'm not sure why I was thinking I'd pick La Crosse to win that game.
And if you look at their history in Heeren's career they have won but maybe one conference tournament game? Last night just reminded me not to trust them.
And for the record your picks of "big games" leaves them at 4-5. That's not all that impressive unless you're shooting for the middle of the pack.
Not sure if you have a daughter on the team and that's why your perspective is more recent; but many of us that have been around for last last 8-10 would say the same. In fact I believe someone did a month or two about how they always hear this is the year for La Crosse and River Falls.
Last night just reminded me of that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on December 02, 2010, 05:16:14 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on December 02, 2010, 05:16:14 PM
I guess you could call it a big game, or not. Doesn't really matter. It'll be important for uwl to both show they are strong at home and can win some tough conference games on the road. They have a tough opening conference schedule, but from what I've seen they have the ability to be very, very good; they'll have the chance to demonstrate it during the tough games in the wiac.
Also, 4-5 in big games for a team learning to gel and returning most everyone isn't terrible.
Also, 4-5 in big games for a team learning to gel and returning most everyone isn't terrible.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 05:23:17 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: billys on December 02, 2010, 04:31:23 PM
Big games to me are tournament games and games that can win you a regular season title.
If you want to contend for the league you better not lose many conference home games. Game 1 of 16 or not; if you're hoping to compete for the title and you've got a fellow contender at home ... if you don't call it big, I'll at least call it pretty important. Now you've got to win at their place to avoid a sweep.
My point from last night is I'm not sure why I was thinking I'd pick La Crosse to win that game.
And if you look at their history in Heeren's career they have won but maybe one conference tournament game? Last night just reminded me not to trust them.
And for the record your picks of "big games" leaves them at 4-5. That's not all that impressive unless you're shooting for the middle of the pack.
Not sure if you have a daughter on the team and that's why your perspective is more recent; but many of us that have been around for last last 8-10 would say the same. In fact I believe someone did a month or two about how they always hear this is the year for La Crosse and River Falls.
Last night just reminded me of that.
Top 6 teams in the conference last year and their records vs. eachother:
Stout 6-4
Whitewater 6-4
Point 5-5
RF- 5-5
UWL 4-6 (0-4 to start year, 4-2 to finish)
EC 4-6
I think that 4-6 record is impressive after a 0-4 start. Puts you in contention for a conference title. Win 1 or 2 more of those games (don't trip up against the lower half) and the title is probably yours. Of course this is only if the WIAC teams beat up on eachother like they did last year.
As i previously said I am not arguing UWL's playoff woes. Just simply saying it's a long season and making a comment about a team not winning a big game after the first game of the year when every team beats every team over and over again is ridiculous.
Save the comment until a big game is lost. For UWL over the years that is usually some time in march during the first round of the playoffs ;D
And trust me you don't have to be around very long to hear plenty about UWL's playoff woe's over the years. For example, you brought it up after the first conference game of the year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 02, 2010, 07:13:50 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 02, 2010, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 01:35:24 PMQuote from: billys on December 02, 2010, 12:01:34 PMWins that would qualify as "big game wins" under your methodology last year:
Double OT win at Stout
Sweep of RF
20 point blowout of Point
I'll give you 2 out of the 4 as "big game wins", but the Point game was an 11 point victory, not 20 (72 - 61).
Timing is everything and you caught RF after they lost to WW, ending a 13 game winning streak. RF went into the tank the rest of January - only beating Platteville and Oshkosh while losing to WW, UWL, Stout and Superior.
River Falls was not the same team the rest of the year. They did pull out a couple of nice wins, but lost badly to many teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
RF- Agreed. They did go into quite a tailspin last year
Point- Unless this box score is wrong...http://uwlathletics.com/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220105826.aspx?path=wbball
Either way I agree with your points.
Point- Unless this box score is wrong...http://uwlathletics.com/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220105826.aspx?path=wbball
Either way I agree with your points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 02, 2010, 10:01:21 PM
Post by: JMM on December 02, 2010, 10:01:21 PM
Just want to remind folks that the competition in the WIAC is fierce. LAX, EC, Point, Whitewater, River Fallsand yes, maybe Platville. All are excellent teams this year. There will be lots of big wins and big losses. We're not talking 2 good teams, we're talking 4-5. That's what's great about the WIAC. Picks for Saturday:
Platville over Sup by 11
SP over RF by 17
EC over LAX by 6
WW over Stout by 24
Platville over Sup by 11
SP over RF by 17
EC over LAX by 6
WW over Stout by 24
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 03, 2010, 01:32:03 AM
Post by: UWRF on December 03, 2010, 01:32:03 AM
I will be very surprised if the SP-RF game is a 17 pt win for SP. It will be a one possession game right up until the end.
River Falls beat SP (by 11) at home last year and yes they struggled on the road, but everyone seems to forget that T. Gregorich was battling the flu all week. They weren't even sure she was going to make the trip, let alone play. They came out flat and uninspired with their leader well under 100%.
Injuries plagued the Falcons down the stretch last year, but they seem to be healthy and focused. The season opening loss at Gustavus might have been good in the long run.
Its going to be a good Saturday of basketball at the Karges Center. I can't wait!
www.pureradio887.com to hear my call of the games!! :D
River Falls beat SP (by 11) at home last year and yes they struggled on the road, but everyone seems to forget that T. Gregorich was battling the flu all week. They weren't even sure she was going to make the trip, let alone play. They came out flat and uninspired with their leader well under 100%.
Injuries plagued the Falcons down the stretch last year, but they seem to be healthy and focused. The season opening loss at Gustavus might have been good in the long run.
Its going to be a good Saturday of basketball at the Karges Center. I can't wait!
www.pureradio887.com to hear my call of the games!! :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 03, 2010, 01:34:24 AM
Post by: billys on December 03, 2010, 01:34:24 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 05:23:17 PMAll I'm saying is last night reminded me that I probably shouldn't trust them until they prove otherwise. I don't believe Point is going to lose many games this year ... so losing home games by double digits is not a good start. Like I said, I'm not the only one here who feels this way about La Crosse; and I'd love to see La Crosse do well.Quote from: billys on December 02, 2010, 04:31:23 PM
Big games to me are tournament games and games that can win you a regular season title.
If you want to contend for the league you better not lose many conference home games. Game 1 of 16 or not; if you're hoping to compete for the title and you've got a fellow contender at home ... if you don't call it big, I'll at least call it pretty important. Now you've got to win at their place to avoid a sweep.
My point from last night is I'm not sure why I was thinking I'd pick La Crosse to win that game.
And if you look at their history in Heeren's career they have won but maybe one conference tournament game? Last night just reminded me not to trust them.
And for the record your picks of "big games" leaves them at 4-5. That's not all that impressive unless you're shooting for the middle of the pack.
Not sure if you have a daughter on the team and that's why your perspective is more recent; but many of us that have been around for last last 8-10 would say the same. In fact I believe someone did a month or two about how they always hear this is the year for La Crosse and River Falls.
Last night just reminded me of that.
Top 6 teams in the conference last year and their records vs. eachother:
Stout 6-4
Whitewater 6-4
Point 5-5
RF- 5-5
UWL 4-6 (0-4 to start year, 4-2 to finish)
EC 4-6
I think that 4-6 record is impressive after a 0-4 start. Puts you in contention for a conference title. Win 1 or 2 more of those games (don't trip up against the lower half) and the title is probably yours. Of course this is only if the WIAC teams beat up on eachother like they did last year.
As i previously said I am not arguing UWL's playoff woes. Just simply saying it's a long season and making a comment about a team not winning a big game after the first game of the year when every team beats every team over and over again is ridiculous.
Save the comment until a big game is lost. For UWL over the years that is usually some time in march during the first round of the playoffs ;D
And trust me you don't have to be around very long to hear plenty about UWL's playoff woe's over the years. For example, you brought it up after the first conference game of the year.
And JMM ... I'll still put the over/under on Platteville conference wins at 4.5. They do have a good opportunity to start 2-0. GREAT WIN against Millikin for sure. There's also a loss against a bad St. Mary's team and squeakers against Alverno and Viterbo. It'd be great for the league if they could be good ... bad someone has to be on the losing end of all these good teams and I still think Platteville and Superior (and probably Oshkosh) are it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 03, 2010, 07:23:27 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 03, 2010, 07:23:27 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 02, 2010, 09:18:16 PMPoint- Unless this box score is wrong...http://uwlathletics.com/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220105826.aspx?path=wbball
Heck, we were both wrong - the win was by 19.... :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 03, 2010, 09:42:07 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 03, 2010, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: JMM on December 02, 2010, 10:01:21 PM
Just want to remind folks that the competition in the WIAC is fierce. LAX, EC, Point, Whitewater, River Fallsand yes, maybe Platville. All are excellent teams this year. There will be lots of big wins and big losses. We're not talking 2 good teams, we're talking 4-5. That's what's great about the WIAC. Picks for Saturday:
Platville over Sup by 11
SP over RF by 17
EC over LAX by 6
WW over Stout by 24
Okay, I can't resist. JMM, it sounds like you don't like Stout's chances! My take on this thing is that Stout has a chance to at least get a split with Platteville and you include Platteville as one of those "good teams". Just trying to stir the pot. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 03, 2010, 11:04:48 PM
Post by: billys on December 03, 2010, 11:04:48 PM
Did anyone read this?
http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/article_1d61a962-fdd7-11df-9c28-001cc4c002e0.html
Very interesting quotes- that's all I'll say about it cause maybe I'm misreading it.
http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/article_1d61a962-fdd7-11df-9c28-001cc4c002e0.html
Very interesting quotes- that's all I'll say about it cause maybe I'm misreading it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2010, 06:57:53 AM
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2010, 06:57:53 AM
Which quote?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: billys on December 03, 2010, 11:04:48 PM
Did anyone read this?
http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/article_1d61a962-fdd7-11df-9c28-001cc4c002e0.html
Very interesting quotes- that's all I'll say about it cause maybe I'm misreading it.
Haha, I think you're reading it right.
1. Heeren was none too pleased with her team's performance
2. There doesn't seem to be much love for WW. Probably due to the fact that they have owned UWL.
On a side note, I noticed yesterday someone browsing the board. None other than coach Thomas himself. He's got plenty of bulletin board material on here. I hope he doesn't use it, because that is lame. Also, I hope he doesn't steal any of my great basketball mind insight. It's priceless. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 04, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
Post by: billys on December 04, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
Quote from: JMM on December 04, 2010, 06:57:53 AMThe one about their "depth" seemed to be a shot at them and a bit unnecessary.
Which quote?
It's a personal peeve of mine when coaches say they beat themselves and that the other team had nothing to do with it. Obviously what WW did defensively created some of the turnovers. Even if they appear unforced consistent pressure makes kids do things they wouldn't normally do.
PRF you probably said it best; not much love lost there
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 04, 2010, 11:07:18 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 04, 2010, 11:07:18 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
2. There doesn't seem to be much love for WW. Probably due to the fact that they have owned UWL.
Really? Last 20 games: 9 wins for UWL and 11 for UWW. That's as close to an even split as you can get.
UW-La Crosse vs. UW-Whitewater
1/17/01 La Crosse 63-56 WW
2/17/01 La Crosse 92-75 LC
1/16/02 La Crosse 81-55 LC
2/16/02 Whitewater 66-55 WW
1/22/03 La Crosse 61-49 LC
2/19/03 Whitewater 64-60 WW
1/20/04 Whitewater 73-72 LC
2/18/04 La Crosse 89-74 WW
1/15/05 Whitewater 69-66 LC
2/12/05 Whitewater 69-54 WW
11/30/05 La Crosse 76-64 WW
1/25/06 La Crosse 80-69 LC
11/29/06 La Crosse 65-61 LC
1/24/07 Whitewater 75-60 WW
1/9/08 Whitewater 92-62 WW
1/30/08 Whitewater 99-87* LC
1/7/09 Whitewater 70-61 LC
1/28/09 La Crosse 62-53 WW
12/2/09 Whitewater 68-50 WW
2/3/10 Whitewater 69-64 LC
Compare that to Point at 2 - 18 or Stout at 3 - 17. Now that's being "owned".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 04, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
Post by: stoutguy on December 04, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
I like it when a coach honestly says that the team did not play well. What I don't like is a coach not giving credit to an opponent. Lois saying "I don't know if WW is that deep" when the bench points total was something like 43-12 is absurd. Coach Thomas on our show this morning made some very valid and honest points. To paraphrase, he said that we are not very good right now and these are the players we recruited and it is my job to make them more competitive. No excuses. I liked the interview.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: The Champ on December 04, 2010, 11:07:18 AMQuote from: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
2. There doesn't seem to be much love for WW. Probably due to the fact that they have owned UWL.
Really? Last 20 games: 9 wins for UWL and 11 for UWW. That's as close to an even split as you can get.
UW-La Crosse vs. UW-Whitewater
1/17/01 La Crosse 63-56 WW
2/17/01 La Crosse 92-75 LC
1/16/02 La Crosse 81-55 LC
2/16/02 Whitewater 66-55 WW
1/22/03 La Crosse 61-49 LC
2/19/03 Whitewater 64-60 WW
1/20/04 Whitewater 73-72 LC
2/18/04 La Crosse 89-74 WW
1/15/05 Whitewater 69-66 LC
2/12/05 Whitewater 69-54 WW
11/30/05 La Crosse 76-64 WW
1/25/06 La Crosse 80-69 LC
11/29/06 La Crosse 65-61 LC
1/24/07 Whitewater 75-60 WW
1/9/08 Whitewater 92-62 WW
1/30/08 Whitewater 99-87* LC
1/7/09 Whitewater 70-61 LC
1/28/09 La Crosse 62-53 WW
12/2/09 Whitewater 68-50 WW
2/3/10 Whitewater 69-64 LC
Compare that to Point at 2 - 18 or Stout at 3 - 17. Now that's being "owned".
Mark that up to me not being around very long. Definitely the frustration of losing 3 times to WW in the last year then.
Looking forward to the EC game. If there's one monkey UWL wants to get off it's back right away it's this Eau Claire team. Also, I expect Stout to play tough today. I see them putting together a very good effort. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 04, 2010, 12:34:19 PM
Post by: buf on December 04, 2010, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on December 04, 2010, 11:51:01 AM
I like it when a coach honestly says that the team did not play well. What I don't like is a coach not giving credit to an opponent. Lois saying "I don't know if WW is that deep" when the bench points total was something like 43-12 is absurd. Coach Thomas on our show this morning made some very valid and honest points. To paraphrase, he said that we are not very good right now and these are the players we recruited and it is my job to make them more competitive. No excuses. I liked the interview.
I give Thomas props for taking responsibility publically. There are some coaches who never do this (when they clearly should) & always have a bunch of excuses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 04, 2010, 02:00:40 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 04, 2010, 02:00:40 PM
www.pureradio887.com to hear the Point-RF game today!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 04, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
Post by: buf on December 04, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
UWL defeats EC in Zorn, 64-50. The game basically came down to shooting, UWL @ 38%, EC @ 29 %. Just a terrible 2nd half shooting display by EC in the 2nd half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
Post by: JMM on December 04, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
While the EC vd LAX game came down to shooting, LAX just out and out stopped EC. Took the underneath game away, didn't have a problem with the EC defense and really out hustled the Blugolds. Maybe the quotes from the LAX coach after the WW loss were true, maybe LAX should have beat WW. I was cetainly impressed with LAX - best team I've seen this year. Been to at least 12-13 DIII games. Also, I thought Englund was out-coached. LAX attacked Messick on offense and her foul total was high. Plendil also fouled out. Inside game was taken away. Nice job LAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 05, 2010, 08:17:24 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 05, 2010, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 04, 2010, 12:05:54 PMMark that up to me not being around very long. Definitely the frustration of losing 3 times to WW in the last year then.
Looking forward to the EC game. If there's one monkey UWL wants to get off it's back right away it's this Eau Claire team. Also, I expect Stout to play tough today. I see them putting together a very good effort. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part though.
No problem. There are a number of us here that have been following the WIAC for more than a decade...
Congrats on a very solid rebound game against the Blue Golds!
Now I need my Blue Devils to get a win - and your Eagles are next.... We should have a chance - WW beat you by 21 and we only lost to them by 19... ;)
Stout needs to play better, and I hope they do. But your win last night was very impressive. Hopefully Coach T watches the tapes of how you did it and can do the same!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 05, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 05, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
Great win for UWL yesterday. It really was a must win for them. They needed to get that monkey off their back. First time I've seen UWL play a complete game. They were disciplined and played within their offense which was key. Staying under 27 turnovers helps a bit too. :D
I was impressed with EC as usual. Christiansen (sp?) is a great addition. She is a shooter and has good range. Messick kind of disappeared in the 2nd half. You could tell she got frustrated and Churchill played great D on her being undersized. When Plendl hit a few shots from the free throw line area I thought it was going to be a longgg day for the Eagles. She never got on track after that though.
Should be a good game against Stout as usual!
I was impressed with EC as usual. Christiansen (sp?) is a great addition. She is a shooter and has good range. Messick kind of disappeared in the 2nd half. You could tell she got frustrated and Churchill played great D on her being undersized. When Plendl hit a few shots from the free throw line area I thought it was going to be a longgg day for the Eagles. She never got on track after that though.
Should be a good game against Stout as usual!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 05, 2010, 12:29:59 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 05, 2010, 12:29:59 PM
Heeren said. "We actually beat ourselves tonight. They didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. We truly beat ourselves."
I'd like to thank the Eagles for simply handing us the ball and not making us work for any of the 16 steals. The energy we saved undoubtedly help us be rested enough to play Stout style.
Great win by the WARHAWKS last night. I suspect it's been a long time since we beaten Stout that soundly. Stout's last lead was 9-8 in the early stages of the first half. The WARHAWKS responded with a 10-0 run over the next four minutes and never looked back. Stout cut the lead to single digits with the first basket of the second half but after that the WARHAWKS maintained a double digit lead which grew to as many as twenty four before the game ended with the score 83-64.
Taking a page from the Mark Thomas coaching book the WARHAWKS played fifteen players twelve of whom scored. Dana Thompson led the way with 14 points and led the team in rebounding with 6. Chantel Burg and Cortney Kumerow each scored 10 points. Eight WARHAWK players scored at least 7 points. Jamie Swanson led the team with 6 assists and 7 steals.
Key stats:
Shots: WW 75 (45%), Stout 57 (37%)
Turnovers: WW 14, Stout 27
Bench points: WW 38 Stout 16
Points in the paint: WW34 Stout 6
I'd like to thank the Eagles for simply handing us the ball and not making us work for any of the 16 steals. The energy we saved undoubtedly help us be rested enough to play Stout style.
Great win by the WARHAWKS last night. I suspect it's been a long time since we beaten Stout that soundly. Stout's last lead was 9-8 in the early stages of the first half. The WARHAWKS responded with a 10-0 run over the next four minutes and never looked back. Stout cut the lead to single digits with the first basket of the second half but after that the WARHAWKS maintained a double digit lead which grew to as many as twenty four before the game ended with the score 83-64.
Taking a page from the Mark Thomas coaching book the WARHAWKS played fifteen players twelve of whom scored. Dana Thompson led the way with 14 points and led the team in rebounding with 6. Chantel Burg and Cortney Kumerow each scored 10 points. Eight WARHAWK players scored at least 7 points. Jamie Swanson led the team with 6 assists and 7 steals.
Key stats:
Shots: WW 75 (45%), Stout 57 (37%)
Turnovers: WW 14, Stout 27
Bench points: WW 38 Stout 16
Points in the paint: WW34 Stout 6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 05, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Post by: billys on December 05, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 05, 2010, 12:29:59 PMJust because you play a lot of players doesn't give you depth ;)
Heeren said. "We actually beat ourselves tonight. They didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. We truly beat ourselves."
I'd like to thank the Eagles for simply handing us the ball and not making us work for any of the 16 steals. The energy we saved undoubtedly help us be rested enough to play Stout style.
Great win by the WARHAWKS last night. I suspect it's been a long time since we beaten Stout that soundly. Stout's last lead was 9-8 in the early stages of the first half. The WARHAWKS responded with a 10-0 run over the next four minutes and never looked back. Stout cut the lead to single digits with the first basket of the second half but after that the WARHAWKS maintained a double digit lead which grew to as many as twenty four before the game ended with the score 83-64.
Taking a page from the Mark Thomas coaching book the WARHAWKS played fifteen players twelve of whom scored. Dana Thompson led the way with 14 points and led the team in rebounding with 6. Chantel Burg and Cortney Kumerow each scored 10 points. Eight WARHAWK players scored at least 7 points. Jamie Swanson led the team with 6 assists and 7 steals.
Key stats:
Shots: WW 75 (45%), Stout 57 (37%)
Turnovers: WW 14, Stout 27
Bench points: WW 38 Stout 16
Points in the paint: WW34 Stout 6
Just kidding. But if you can play that many kids successfully; that's the definition of depth
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 05, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 05, 2010, 04:12:36 PM
I didn't actually say we were a deep team. Our style of play dictates that a lot of players are going to play. We're actually quite a young team and it's likely we'll play inconsistantly at times during this season. At Stout and LaCrosse we were able to put it all together and played quite well.
The most pleasant surprise to date has been the reduction in the number of turnovers. After averaging 20-25 in the first three games we've had 15 or less in the last three. For our style and the inexperience we have on the floor for significant minutes that's really pretty good.
The most pleasant surprise to date has been the reduction in the number of turnovers. After averaging 20-25 in the first three games we've had 15 or less in the last three. For our style and the inexperience we have on the floor for significant minutes that's really pretty good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on December 05, 2010, 04:34:06 PM
Post by: UWRF on December 05, 2010, 04:34:06 PM
I was extremely impressed with the Pointer women yesterday. I could see them making a Final Four run. They dont quite have the offensive play from their guards that the 08 Warhawks had, but i think Peterson is a great player. Flease is absolutely smothering on the defensive end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 05, 2010, 04:58:48 PM
Post by: billys on December 05, 2010, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 05, 2010, 04:12:36 PMI was refering to the quote from that La Crosse Tribune article in conjunction with the numbers you posted.
I didn't actually say we were a deep team. Our style of play dictates that a lot of players are going to play. We're actually quite a young team and it's likely we'll play inconsistantly at times during this season. At Stout and LaCrosse we were able to put it all together and played quite well.
The most pleasant surprise to date has been the reduction in the number of turnovers. After averaging 20-25 in the first three games we've had 15 or less in the last three. For our style and the inexperience we have on the floor for significant minutes that's really pretty good.
Like I said, if you can play that many kids in a college game and be effective- that's depth. If they were losing a lot of quality just by sticking some kids from the end of the bench in; that's a different story. That does not appear to be the case with WW this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 07, 2010, 09:37:15 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 07, 2010, 09:37:15 AM
#15- Whitewater
#18- Stevens Point
#20- La Crosse
#25- River Falls
Nice to see 4 WIAC teams in the top 25! I can't remember if this ever happened last year, or does anyone remember the last time 4 were ranked?
Now if these teams didn't have to play eachother maybe they could all stay in the top 25 all year!
#18- Stevens Point
#20- La Crosse
#25- River Falls
Nice to see 4 WIAC teams in the top 25! I can't remember if this ever happened last year, or does anyone remember the last time 4 were ranked?
Now if these teams didn't have to play eachother maybe they could all stay in the top 25 all year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 07, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 07, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
I think D3Hoops/Point/RF had the result of the RF game incorrect earlier this week. I bet the voting was done based on Point losing to RF.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:41:30 AM
Post by: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 07, 2010, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
I think D3Hoops/Point/RF had the result of the RF game incorrect earlier this week. I bet the voting was done based on Point losing to RF.
That is exactly what happened.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 08, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 08, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Pretty big flub up. I am not sure why they didn't re-vote. I would expect the voters to make this right next week if they have another 2-0 week. The rankings looked much more accurate for Stevens Point at least in the USA Today poll. http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2010/12/7/20102011-Week-3-DIII-Poll/
That said, big one tonight in WW. No disrespect to any other conference teams, but up to this point of the season they have been the two best teams. Should be a great game.
That said, big one tonight in WW. No disrespect to any other conference teams, but up to this point of the season they have been the two best teams. Should be a great game.
Quote from: sunny on December 07, 2010, 11:41:30 AMQuote from: PRF2009A on December 07, 2010, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: Just Bill on December 07, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
So last week, UWSP had lost to Milikin and they fell from 6th to 8th. Seems reasonable.
This week, they went 2-0 and fell from 8th to 18th?? What am I missing?
I think D3Hoops/Point/RF had the result of the RF game incorrect earlier this week. I bet the voting was done based on Point losing to RF.
That is exactly what happened.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2010, 02:13:56 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2010, 02:13:56 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 08, 2010, 11:36:52 AM
Pretty big flub up. I am not sure why they didn't re-vote. I would expect the voters to make this right next week if they have another 2-0 week.
We didn't revote because putting together a Top 25 is not something that is done at the drop of a hat. Between my full-time day job and all the other sites we're trying to publish this time of year, I barely have time to do the bare minimum.
I send out scores to all of the voters each week and if 1) a school posts the score on our site incorrectly and 2) nobody, including the conference's voting representative says anything about it until after the fact, there's not much I can do.
We will definitely make sure all of the voters know to wipe that result from their brains next week.
I figured I'd better come here and face the music, however. Sorry. I had no reason to doubt the scores reported to us.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 08, 2010, 05:33:54 PM
Post by: The Champ on December 08, 2010, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2010, 02:13:56 PMI figured I'd better come here and face the music, however.
If that is the biggest mistake you have this year, then you'll have had a very good year.
Doo-doo happens sometimes. Nobody got hurt. Life goes on.
8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 08, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 08, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: The Champ on December 08, 2010, 05:33:54 PMQuote from: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2010, 02:13:56 PMI figured I'd better come here and face the music, however.
If that is the biggest mistake you have this year, then you'll have had a very good year.
Doo-doo happens sometimes. Nobody got hurt. Life goes on.
8-)
Oh I don't know.... People get pretty heated about their D3 Women's basketball around here. Especially when the topic is Stout or all time WIAC players! ;D
Playful jabbing aside. I am nervous about this matchup with Stout tonight. UWL is banged up and Stout is still Stout. Something tells me they will bring their A game tonight at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 08, 2010, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 08, 2010, 10:18:00 PM
RF defeats UWEC, 65-64 in a thrilling matchup at Zorn. The largest lead was 6 points the whole game. Mesick missed a heavily guarded 15 foot jumper at the buzzer that spun around the rim and fell out.
Good games from Rempert (EC) & Guhr (RF).
EC peritmeter defense by the posts got exposed tonight. Late in the game RF drove by them constantly for buckets/fouls. Maybe time to go back to the zone, for at least some of the time anyway.
T. Gregorich (RF) & Olson (EC) both sat out with injuries.
Just a few days ago I was thinking that EC COULD jump out to a 4-0 lead in conference play. They had 3 straight coming up at home and had just defeated UWO fairly easy on the road. Now they sit at 1-2 with 2 straight loses at home. They have really dug themselves a hole. Going to have to win some games on the road against tough teams if they want to get back in the conference race.
Good games from Rempert (EC) & Guhr (RF).
EC peritmeter defense by the posts got exposed tonight. Late in the game RF drove by them constantly for buckets/fouls. Maybe time to go back to the zone, for at least some of the time anyway.
T. Gregorich (RF) & Olson (EC) both sat out with injuries.
Just a few days ago I was thinking that EC COULD jump out to a 4-0 lead in conference play. They had 3 straight coming up at home and had just defeated UWO fairly easy on the road. Now they sit at 1-2 with 2 straight loses at home. They have really dug themselves a hole. Going to have to win some games on the road against tough teams if they want to get back in the conference race.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 08, 2010, 10:23:01 PM
Post by: buf on December 08, 2010, 10:23:01 PM
Other scores:
Point gets a big road win, 83-69, over UWW.
UWO with a road win of their own, 62-47, over UWP
And UWL also with a road win, 75-54, over Stout
Four road wins tonight. Don't see that very often.
Point gets a big road win, 83-69, over UWW.
UWO with a road win of their own, 62-47, over UWP
And UWL also with a road win, 75-54, over Stout
Four road wins tonight. Don't see that very often.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2010, 06:44:24 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 09, 2010, 06:44:24 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 08, 2010, 05:52:10 PMPlayful jabbing aside. I am nervous about this matchup with Stout tonight. UWL is banged up and Stout is still Stout. Something tells me they will bring their A game tonight at home.
Good win for your squad last night. Stout is a developing team (I sincerely hope) starting the conference season with a brutal schedule. UWL "owns" Stout at Johnson Fieldhouse (if you only go back 2 games). Hoping to get you back when we play on the road... ;)
UWL was sinking their baskets (31 of 58), Stout was not nearly as efficient (19 of 55). I thought our nemesis Melissa Lang was off last night when she went 0 - 4 on her 3 point attempts to start the game. Of course, she managed to get back on track and was 3 for 3 after that... >:(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 10, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
Post by: JMM on December 10, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
Buff - you are exactly right on the EC defense. That cost them the game and also got them against LAX. It was a barn-burner of a game. Tought EC might pull it out - but no. Also love Christiansen's intensity but it got away from her several times. I would have gone with Bingea on a jumper for the win but can't argue against going to Messick. Finally, Plendil has not been doing much offemsively. Her defense remains good. Wonder if Laura Olson's absence hurt EC the last two games. If there is a game tomorrow (major snow coming), EC should have no problem with Stout - you never know thoug
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 10, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 10, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 10, 2010, 09:27:25 PM
Buff - you are exactly right on the EC defense. That cost them the game and also got them against LAX. It was a barn-burner of a game. Tought EC might pull it out - but no. Also love Christiansen's intensity but it got away from her several times. I would have gone with Bingea on a jumper for the win but can't argue against going to Messick. Finally, Plendil has not been doing much offemsively. Her defense remains good. Wonder if Laura Olson's absence hurt EC the last two games. If there is a game tomorrow (major snow coming), EC should have no problem with Stout - you never know thoug
I definitely agree with the thought about Plendl. She hit two shots from just inside the free throw line to start the game vs. LAX and I thought to myself it was going to be a long night if she is scoring like that. She didn't do much after that. I think if she shot a bit more it would definitely help the rest of the team. Even if she's shooting a low % by her putting up a few shots she will take a bit of the pressure off Christiansen and Messick. She's shooting 51% but only putting up about 5 shots a game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 11, 2010, 04:48:45 PM
Post by: buf on December 11, 2010, 04:48:45 PM
Point loses to IWU, 76-72. Difference was FTs. Point (12-22), IWU (18-19)
UWO defeats RF, 61-52.
UWO defeats RF, 61-52.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2010, 06:09:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2010, 06:09:35 PM
The WARHAWKS got the win in Superior. I'm not sure of the exact score but it was by 13-15 points.
Try again Badger. Actually it was 11 points 87-76.
The WARHAWKS scored first and never trailed in the game building the lead to 22 points at the end of the first half 57-35. The lead grew to a high of 26 points 67-33 in the first six minutes of the second half. Superior got hot and made a run cutting it to a low of 10 points over the next ten minutes but that was as close as they would get.
Emily Bestor led the WARHAWKS with 19 points including 5-6 from beyond the arc. Dana Thompson chipped in a double-double with 14 points and rebounds. Jamie Swanson also had double figure points with 11. The WARHAWKS had 19 assists on 28 baskets with Kaitlyn Thill leading the way with 6. Thill also added a pair of steals bringing her conference leading total to 45. The WARHAWKS out rebounded Superior 43-34 including a 21-12 advantage on the offensive end.
Try again Badger. Actually it was 11 points 87-76.
The WARHAWKS scored first and never trailed in the game building the lead to 22 points at the end of the first half 57-35. The lead grew to a high of 26 points 67-33 in the first six minutes of the second half. Superior got hot and made a run cutting it to a low of 10 points over the next ten minutes but that was as close as they would get.
Emily Bestor led the WARHAWKS with 19 points including 5-6 from beyond the arc. Dana Thompson chipped in a double-double with 14 points and rebounds. Jamie Swanson also had double figure points with 11. The WARHAWKS had 19 assists on 28 baskets with Kaitlyn Thill leading the way with 6. Thill also added a pair of steals bringing her conference leading total to 45. The WARHAWKS out rebounded Superior 43-34 including a 21-12 advantage on the offensive end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 13, 2010, 04:34:50 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 13, 2010, 04:34:50 PM
Conference Standings Through Dec 11:
SP 3-0
WW 3-1
LX 3-1
Osh 2-1
RF 2-2
EC 1-2
Platt 1-2
Sup 0-3
Stout 0-3
Couple surprises are Stout being 0-3, RF being only 2-2 and EC being 1-2.
Also, what is happening at LX with Lindsey Litrenta? She hasn't played in the last two games and is a very strong player for the Eagles. Hope it is nothing serious as they don't appear to be all that deep after the starting five.
SP 3-0
WW 3-1
LX 3-1
Osh 2-1
RF 2-2
EC 1-2
Platt 1-2
Sup 0-3
Stout 0-3
Couple surprises are Stout being 0-3, RF being only 2-2 and EC being 1-2.
Also, what is happening at LX with Lindsey Litrenta? She hasn't played in the last two games and is a very strong player for the Eagles. Hope it is nothing serious as they don't appear to be all that deep after the starting five.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 13, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Post by: billys on December 13, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 13, 2010, 04:34:50 PMI believe the paper said toe injury
Conference Standings Through Dec 11:
SP 3-0
WW 3-1
LX 3-1
Osh 2-1
RF 2-2
EC 1-2
Platt 1-2
Sup 0-3
Stout 0-3
Couple surprises are Stout being 0-3, RF being only 2-2 and EC being 1-2.
Also, what is happening at LX with Lindsey Litrenta? She hasn't played in the last two games and is a very strong player for the Eagles. Hope it is nothing serious as they don't appear to be all that deep after the starting five.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 13, 2010, 09:40:46 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 13, 2010, 09:40:46 PM
what happens when you shoot 18-54 and chuck up 3s all game?
You lose to a mediocre Coe team 62-48.
Coe lead most the game. Uwl was down more than 10 and then tied it up 43-43..... then made 2 buckets the last 10 minutes of the game.
Time to enjoy the xmas break and have a fun trip to California for the UWL team before starting the grueling January WIAC schedule. The whole UWL team is going to the Rose Bowl game.
Warm weather, 2 basketball games, rose bowl parade, and a badgers rose bowl win. I am jealous.
You lose to a mediocre Coe team 62-48.
Coe lead most the game. Uwl was down more than 10 and then tied it up 43-43..... then made 2 buckets the last 10 minutes of the game.
Time to enjoy the xmas break and have a fun trip to California for the UWL team before starting the grueling January WIAC schedule. The whole UWL team is going to the Rose Bowl game.
Warm weather, 2 basketball games, rose bowl parade, and a badgers rose bowl win. I am jealous.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 14, 2010, 07:10:32 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 14, 2010, 07:10:32 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 13, 2010, 09:40:46 PM
Time to enjoy the xmas break and have a fun trip to California for the UWL team before starting the grueling January WIAC schedule. The whole UWL team is going to the Rose Bowl game.
Warm weather, 2 basketball games, rose bowl parade, and a badgers rose bowl win. I am jealous.
That is one heckuva holiday break!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 14, 2010, 11:18:11 AM
Post by: Just Bill on December 14, 2010, 11:18:11 AM
How on earth did they swing Rose Bowl tickets (both in terms of cost and accesibility) for the entire team? There's hundreds of UW students who couldn't get tickets, but an entire basketball team from La Crosse can get them? I'm just curious how they made that happen. That's amazing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 14, 2010, 12:05:02 PM
Post by: billys on December 14, 2010, 12:05:02 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on December 13, 2010, 09:40:46 PMHolidays ... Monday night road game ... Short turnaround ... Non-Conference ... Injuries - Lots of room for a letdown there so I can't bury them for that one. Isn't Coe pretty solid anyway?
what happens when you shoot 18-54 and chuck up 3s all game?
You lose to a mediocre Coe team 62-48.
Coe lead most the game. Uwl was down more than 10 and then tied it up 43-43..... then made 2 buckets the last 10 minutes of the game.
Time to enjoy the xmas break and have a fun trip to California for the UWL team before starting the grueling January WIAC schedule. The whole UWL team is going to the Rose Bowl game.
Warm weather, 2 basketball games, rose bowl parade, and a badgers rose bowl win. I am jealous.
I tool would love to here how Coach Heeren scored enough tickets for that game. Unless they were planning on going the whole time and bought them prior to the football season playing out and knowing who would be there?
What an awesome trip! Wonder if she has any room on staff for a couple of us?!?!?!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2010, 12:52:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2010, 12:52:07 PM
It was the first time in the history of Coe's program that they've beaten a Top 20 ranked opponent. They're 6-2 on the season with a five point loss to Carthage, ranked 12th, and a 15 point loss to unranked Simpson. So far they look pretty solid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 14, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 14, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 14, 2010, 11:18:11 AM
How on earth did they swing Rose Bowl tickets (both in terms of cost and accesibility) for the entire team? There's hundreds of UW students who couldn't get tickets, but an entire basketball team from La Crosse can get them? I'm just curious how they made that happen. That's amazing.
Accessibility- group ticket option that most people didn't look into I believe.
Cost- I think the girls were quite excited for the opportunity to buy them.
They were planning on just going to the Rose Bowl Parade on the trip until the badgers made it.
Coe was solid, but not a team that Lax should have lost to regardless of distractions.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 14, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on December 14, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
Stout at Ec makeup game Jan 10 at 8 pm in EC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2010, 09:41:03 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2010, 09:41:03 PM
The WARHAWKS beat Dubuque 91-68 tonight. The game was competitive for about five minutes and then the WARHAWKS made a run and took the lead to 18 points, 49-29, by the half. The lead grew into the thirties before it ended. Dana Thompson led the WARHAWKS with 13 points. Megan Thuene (12), Mary Merg (11) and Chantel Burg (11) all scored in double figures. Melissa Olson led the way with 7 rebounds and Kaitlyn Thill had a team leading 6 assists and 4 steals. The WARHAWKS had 25 assists on 31 made baskets. All twenty two players on the roster saw playing time and thirteen of them scored points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 15, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 15, 2010, 06:25:47 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2010, 09:41:03 PMThe game was competitive for about five minutes and then the WARHAWKS made a run and took the lead to 18 points, 49-29, by the half.
New math??? ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2010, 09:25:40 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2010, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: The Champ on December 15, 2010, 06:25:47 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2010, 09:41:03 PMThe game was competitive for about five minutes and then the WARHAWKS made a run and took the lead to 18 points, 49-29, by the half.
New math??? ;)
LOL, typo :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 19, 2010, 11:35:59 PM
Post by: buf on December 19, 2010, 11:35:59 PM
UWEC defeats Randolph-Macon, 73-46. Mesick with 29pts, 12rebs. Olson back in the lineup for EC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 20, 2010, 08:43:41 PM
Post by: buf on December 20, 2010, 08:43:41 PM
UWEC completes the sweep, 70-35, over Luther.
They have another tournament after Christmas.
They have another tournament after Christmas.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 21, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
Post by: buf on December 21, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
Ouch!
UWO drops one to Edgewood, 60-51. It was a 16-point game with a couple minutes left. UWL beat Edgewood, 74-27, earlier this season. Stout also beat them, 66-62.
When is Schumacher going to turn this program around?
UWO drops one to Edgewood, 60-51. It was a 16-point game with a couple minutes left. UWL beat Edgewood, 74-27, earlier this season. Stout also beat them, 66-62.
When is Schumacher going to turn this program around?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 24, 2010, 01:50:31 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 24, 2010, 01:50:31 PM
Merry Xmas Sconnie posters. Hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 28, 2010, 09:45:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 28, 2010, 09:45:19 PM
The WARHAWKS who traveled to San Diego to take part in the Surf & Slam tournament picked up a win over Point Loma 70-55. The lead was only five points in the first half, 35-30, before the WARHAWKS opened it up with a 35-25 second half. Dana Thompson had a double-double 24 points (10-14) and 11 rebounds as the WARHAWKS out rebounded Point Loma 46-31 including 15 offensive rebounds. Cortney Kumerow also scored in double figures with 10 points. The free throw differential was significant as the WARHAWKS shot 12-21 to just 3-5 for Point Loma.
The WARHAWKS will face Bethany Lutheran tomorrow afternoon.
The WARHAWKS will face Bethany Lutheran tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2010, 11:37:07 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2010, 11:37:07 AM
WHITEWATER defeated Bethany Lutheran yesterday by sixteen, 79-63. Similar to the Point Loma game the WARHAWKS started the game stone cold from the field missing their first ten shots and failing to score in the first five minutes of the half. Fortunately Bethany Lutheran wasn't much better and WHITEWATER only trailed 8-3. The WARHAWKS managed to build two five point leads during the half but it ended with the two teams tied 32-32. Free throws played a significant part in Bethany Lutheran's scoring as they went 15-20 in the first half. Nine WARHAWKS scored in the half. As cold as they were in the first half the opposite was true in the second one as the WARHAWKS opened the half with a 25-5 run to take control of the game and the lead never shrank below fifteen points after that.
Of the seventeen WARHAWKS who saw action in the game thirteen of them scored led by Dana Thompson with 11 points and Kaitlyn Thill with 10 points. Chantel Burg led all rebounders with 11 and Emily Bester had a game high 6 assists. The WARHAWKS set a team record for steals with 29 leading to a 32-4 advantage in points off of turnovers. Burg had a game high 5 and Thill and Katie Burton each had four. The steals increased Thill's conference leading total to 57.
The 17th ranked WARHAWKS will meet 14th ranked George Fox in the tournament championship game today.
Of the seventeen WARHAWKS who saw action in the game thirteen of them scored led by Dana Thompson with 11 points and Kaitlyn Thill with 10 points. Chantel Burg led all rebounders with 11 and Emily Bester had a game high 6 assists. The WARHAWKS set a team record for steals with 29 leading to a 32-4 advantage in points off of turnovers. Burg had a game high 5 and Thill and Katie Burton each had four. The steals increased Thill's conference leading total to 57.
The 17th ranked WARHAWKS will meet 14th ranked George Fox in the tournament championship game today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2010, 01:29:26 PM
Listning to EC - Hanover. EC has totally self destructed. Englund has done nothing to coach this team in the second half. They have blown a 15 point second half lead. Englund has just left her young team out there to destruct and die. Really bad, bad coaching. Nothing to calm them done. Nothing to get the offense reorganized and focused. EC trouble is not the players it is a lack of coaching - my 2 cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 30, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
Post by: buf on December 30, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
As JMM noted, a horrible mid-2nd half stretch did in EC this afternoon as they fall to Hanover (10-0), 71-70, in the Wittenburg tourney. EC led by 14 with less than 14min left and were on the verge of blowing out Hanover. Then all of a sudden, Hanover goes on a 26-7 run over the next 8 minutes to take a 5 point lead. EC fought back to take a 1 point lead with less than a minute left. However on the next possession Hanover got fouled shooting a 27 foot desperation shot as the shot clock expired. They hit 2 of the 3 and EC ended up missing a couple shots in the last few seconds. EC really controlled this game for 3/4 of the game. It was just that terrible 8 minute stretch that lost it for them.
EC now has lost 3 close games this season (RF, LX, Han). EC is too much of a veteran squad to be dropping all these close games.
EC now has lost 3 close games this season (RF, LX, Han). EC is too much of a veteran squad to be dropping all these close games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2010, 01:54:26 PM
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2010, 01:54:26 PM
Buf - all three loses were the coach, not the team - my two cents. Defend the 3 pt shot and Hanover loses by 20.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 31, 2010, 10:35:27 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 31, 2010, 10:35:27 AM
The WARHAWKS won the Surf & Slam championship game defeating 14th ranked George Fox convincingly 73-56. Unlike the previous two games the WARHAWKS started this one shooting well. A 6-0 run and later a 9-0 run gave them a quick 15-6 lead in the first five minutes. Later a 13-3 run built the lead to 34-17 and it stood at twenty one points, 38-19, when the half ended. George Fox cut the lead to twelve points, 48-36 with ten minutes left in the game but a 12-3 run by the WARHAWKS put the game away for good.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 24 points and was named the tournament's MVP. Megan Thuene hit 4 of 5 three point attempts and finished with a career high 15 points. Jamie Swanson had a game high 9 rebounds while Kaitlyn Thill had game highs of 4 assists and 4 steals. WHITEWATER had an advantage from the charity stripe making 27 of 39 attempts to 10-20 for George Fox.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 24 points and was named the tournament's MVP. Megan Thuene hit 4 of 5 three point attempts and finished with a career high 15 points. Jamie Swanson had a game high 9 rebounds while Kaitlyn Thill had game highs of 4 assists and 4 steals. WHITEWATER had an advantage from the charity stripe making 27 of 39 attempts to 10-20 for George Fox.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: swish4 on January 01, 2011, 12:41:19 AM
Post by: swish4 on January 01, 2011, 12:41:19 AM
I completely disagree with JMM's comments about the Blugolds and Coach Englund. To say that "she left her team out there to destruct and die" is out of line. Many of my friends are Blugold basketball alum and have had really successful seasons with Coach Englund. She is far from a bad coach as you would indicate. Yes, they lost to Hanover, but there is still plenty of conference season left in this team too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 01, 2011, 10:28:33 AM
Post by: JMM on January 01, 2011, 10:28:33 AM
There is a growing theme with the Blugolds, get a little ahead in the second half and fall apart. St. Benedicts, RF, Hanover, Marian. Boils down to this, bad fouls, bad turnovers and not defending the 3 pt shot. To me this is coaching. No fundamentals. Have seen most blue giold games in the past few years. Someone needs to teach folks how to pass. Should be the coach. Would take two hours of practice. If the person is not open, donot pass. Also the need to keep focused when passing. Messick who is wonderful is maybe the biggest culpret. The passing things is not pressure from defense. It is from not being deliberate and thorough. This is coaching. EC has not defended against the 3 since Englund has been there. It has cost them big time. When you have height, the other team is going to shoot 3 pt shots. So many times, the 3 pt shoot has stopped the blugolds from taking ownership of the game. Again, coaching - my 2 cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 01, 2011, 12:01:48 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 01, 2011, 12:01:48 PM
UWEC three-point FG defense under Englund, WIAC rank:
2010-11: 30.9%, 7th (through 1/1/11)
2009-10: 31.6%, 5th
2008-09: 27.4%, 2nd
2007-08: 28.6%, 2nd
2006-07: 30.5%, 5th
2005-06: 30.7%, 6th
2004-05: 29.4%, 3rd
2003-04: 32.5%, 7th
2002-03: 25.0%, 1st
2001-02: 28.7%, 2nd
2000-01: 27.2%, 1st
I don't know if the numbers support your theory JMM. Under Englund, they've been top 3 in the WIAC in 3-pt. FG percentage defense six times and bottom three only twice, including this season which still has halfway to go.
And speaking as a guy who coached basketball for many years, teaching players to pass reliably takes a LOT more than "two hours of practice".
2010-11: 30.9%, 7th (through 1/1/11)
2009-10: 31.6%, 5th
2008-09: 27.4%, 2nd
2007-08: 28.6%, 2nd
2006-07: 30.5%, 5th
2005-06: 30.7%, 6th
2004-05: 29.4%, 3rd
2003-04: 32.5%, 7th
2002-03: 25.0%, 1st
2001-02: 28.7%, 2nd
2000-01: 27.2%, 1st
I don't know if the numbers support your theory JMM. Under Englund, they've been top 3 in the WIAC in 3-pt. FG percentage defense six times and bottom three only twice, including this season which still has halfway to go.
And speaking as a guy who coached basketball for many years, teaching players to pass reliably takes a LOT more than "two hours of practice".
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 01, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
Post by: JMM on January 01, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
Just Bill, I appreciate your stats and they do have meanning. I would like to see the stats in games they have lost going back to the defeat at RF 2 years ago. I do appreciate Englund as a coach. She is wonfderful with the kids. I guess as an arm chair coach (easy from the arm chair as opposed to the feild) I offer this.
Englund should take some time with Plendil (who I think is a very good D3 player) and show her film of the way Brook Wozniak played defense. Teach her to position herself and play an area, not the ball or a player. When Plendil goes after the ball or a player with the ball from the rear - immediate foul. Plendill is doing good this year. Wozniak was the best defender I have seen in 35 years. This would be a good idea as a coach - to help Plendil. Show and develop a strategy for Plendil - Wozniak's approach would give the BLUGODS two more wins this year. The turning point in the lose to Hanover was when Plendil got in over head a little.
If a team is having passing problems, who else but the coach should straighten those out. While the team has gotten better this year, they have not cured the problem. Coach needs to take the time and give examples and work for focued passes. It killed them against St Ben's, and most games last year and several others this year. It is OK to go back to basics on passing.
Englund should take some time with Plendil (who I think is a very good D3 player) and show her film of the way Brook Wozniak played defense. Teach her to position herself and play an area, not the ball or a player. When Plendil goes after the ball or a player with the ball from the rear - immediate foul. Plendill is doing good this year. Wozniak was the best defender I have seen in 35 years. This would be a good idea as a coach - to help Plendil. Show and develop a strategy for Plendil - Wozniak's approach would give the BLUGODS two more wins this year. The turning point in the lose to Hanover was when Plendil got in over head a little.
If a team is having passing problems, who else but the coach should straighten those out. While the team has gotten better this year, they have not cured the problem. Coach needs to take the time and give examples and work for focued passes. It killed them against St Ben's, and most games last year and several others this year. It is OK to go back to basics on passing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 01, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
Post by: billys on January 01, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
The simplicity with which you attempt to describe the cure to UWEC's problems comes off extremely ignorant. You're blaming losses on coaching from games you haven't even seen.
"Englund has done nothing to coach this team in the second half. They have blown a 15 point second half lead. Englund has just left her young team out there to destruct and die. Really bad, bad coaching. Nothing to calm them done. Nothing to get the offense reorganized and focused. EC trouble is not the players it is a lack of coaching "
That's one of the most loaded statements I've read on this site and you weren't even there to see it? Seems pretty irresponsible.
You think showing film of the best defender you've seen in 35 years is going to suddenly make another kid a good defender ... nevermind instincts, experience, quickness, etc.
How do you know what UWEC works on in practice? How do you know they don't work on passing? You say they've gotten better ... so maybe she's worked on it a ton.
To make statements like "they haven't defended the three since she's been there" only to see they very recently were 2nd in the league in the stat shows your perceptions are likely not reality.
Would take two hours of practice to fix their passing problems? That's laughable.
You are free to grind your axe wherever you like. There are plenty of basketball coaching positions available on a yearly basis. I'm sure your expertise and the ease with which you could fix a programs problems would be a very valuable commodity in your area.
I don't get too fired up about posts on this board but knowing how good the coaches in this league are and the time they put in ... to make rash comments on games you didn't even watch is BS
"Englund has done nothing to coach this team in the second half. They have blown a 15 point second half lead. Englund has just left her young team out there to destruct and die. Really bad, bad coaching. Nothing to calm them done. Nothing to get the offense reorganized and focused. EC trouble is not the players it is a lack of coaching "
That's one of the most loaded statements I've read on this site and you weren't even there to see it? Seems pretty irresponsible.
You think showing film of the best defender you've seen in 35 years is going to suddenly make another kid a good defender ... nevermind instincts, experience, quickness, etc.
How do you know what UWEC works on in practice? How do you know they don't work on passing? You say they've gotten better ... so maybe she's worked on it a ton.
To make statements like "they haven't defended the three since she's been there" only to see they very recently were 2nd in the league in the stat shows your perceptions are likely not reality.
Would take two hours of practice to fix their passing problems? That's laughable.
You are free to grind your axe wherever you like. There are plenty of basketball coaching positions available on a yearly basis. I'm sure your expertise and the ease with which you could fix a programs problems would be a very valuable commodity in your area.
I don't get too fired up about posts on this board but knowing how good the coaches in this league are and the time they put in ... to make rash comments on games you didn't even watch is BS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 05, 2011, 11:24:07 AM
Post by: billys on January 05, 2011, 11:24:07 AM
Slate full of probable clunkers tonight as the season gets going in full swing.
Couple big matchups on Saturday though with UWL-UWSP and UWW-UWRF.
Tonight though looks to be a tune-up night.
Couple big matchups on Saturday though with UWL-UWSP and UWW-UWRF.
Tonight though looks to be a tune-up night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 05, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
Post by: buf on January 05, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
EC survives @ UWP, 45-43, as UWP missed a 3 at the buzzer. Ugly shooting as both teams shoot 28%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 05, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
Post by: billys on January 05, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
Yikes ... UW-L beats Superior at HOME by 2. 61-59
Just completed so I haven't seen play-by-play or stats yet but dang.
Just completed so I haven't seen play-by-play or stats yet but dang.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 06, 2011, 08:54:30 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 06, 2011, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: billys on January 05, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
Yikes ... UW-L beats Superior at HOME by 2. 61-59
Just completed so I haven't seen play-by-play or stats yet but dang.
Ugly win.
Larson and Lang combine to go 4-20. (Lang 0-9)
A few quotes in the paper sum it up.
"Lindsey got it to me and I just took it up and it went it, but in all reality, it shouldn't have come down to a shot like that," Frank said. "We just didn't come out and play defense. We weren't talking. We looked like deer in headlights at times."
"Our defense lets up for minutes and we let them get back in the game," said Litrenta
It's good to know where your weakness was, now hopefully they can fix it in 3 days.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2011, 09:56:17 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2011, 09:56:17 AM
The WARHAWKS started with a 6-0 run and later, leading 25-22, an 11-0 run followed by a 21-5 run to easy defeat Edgewood College 91-63. The WARHAWKS led 50-34 at the half, 7-12 three-pointers, and recorded 14 steals. The second half started the same way as the WARHAWKS stole the ball the first three times Edgewood had possession and made a 20-4 run to make the score 70-38 in the first five minutes. The 91 points and 28 point margin tied team highs for the season. In all seventeen players saw action with eleven of them scoring. As a team Edgewood had 32 turnovers, 24 of which were steals.
Dana Thompson led the WARHAWKS in scoring for the sixth consecutive game with 20 points including 10-12 from the free throw line. Megan Theune, Jamie Swanson and Kaitlyn Thill all finished in double figures with each scoring 11 points. Thill with game highs of 7 assists and 8 steals created several additional steals by poking the ball away and having another WARHAWK player recover the loose ball. Swanson and Thompson each had 6 rebounds. The WARHAWKS made more free throws than Edgewood attempted going 20-24 to 14-18 for the Eagles. The WARHAWKS dominated points in the paint 28-12, points off of turnovers 32-13 and points off the bench 46-12.
Danille Dixon had a game high 21 points and Alison Tobin had 19 to pace the Eagles.
Dana Thompson led the WARHAWKS in scoring for the sixth consecutive game with 20 points including 10-12 from the free throw line. Megan Theune, Jamie Swanson and Kaitlyn Thill all finished in double figures with each scoring 11 points. Thill with game highs of 7 assists and 8 steals created several additional steals by poking the ball away and having another WARHAWK player recover the loose ball. Swanson and Thompson each had 6 rebounds. The WARHAWKS made more free throws than Edgewood attempted going 20-24 to 14-18 for the Eagles. The WARHAWKS dominated points in the paint 28-12, points off of turnovers 32-13 and points off the bench 46-12.
Danille Dixon had a game high 21 points and Alison Tobin had 19 to pace the Eagles.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2011, 05:05:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2011, 05:05:38 PM
Eau Claire beat Platteville 45-43 last night. I don't know a thing about bad fouls, turnovers, perimeter defense, passing or coaching. Just reporting the final score because no one else has mentioned it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 07, 2011, 01:12:28 AM
Post by: billys on January 07, 2011, 01:12:28 AM
Quote from: buf on January 05, 2011, 09:48:30 PMSorry badgerwarhawk ... buf beat you to it ;)
EC survives @ UWP, 45-43, as UWP missed a 3 at the buzzer. Ugly shooting as both teams shoot 28%.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2011, 09:18:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2011, 09:18:26 AM
Quote from: billys on January 07, 2011, 01:12:28 AMQuote from: buf on January 05, 2011, 09:48:30 PMSorry badgerwarhawk ... buf beat you to it ;)
EC survives @ UWP, 45-43, as UWP missed a 3 at the buzzer. Ugly shooting as both teams shoot 28%.
Oops, sorry about that buf.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 09, 2011, 12:21:11 AM
Post by: buf on January 09, 2011, 12:21:11 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2011, 09:18:26 AMQuote from: billys on January 07, 2011, 01:12:28 AMQuote from: buf on January 05, 2011, 09:48:30 PMSorry badgerwarhawk ... buf beat you to it ;)
EC survives @ UWP, 45-43, as UWP missed a 3 at the buzzer. Ugly shooting as both teams shoot 28%.
Oops, sorry about that buf.
You're forgiven. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 09, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
Stout finally gets a WIAC "W"... ;D
80 - 70 over Platteville. Freshman Sami Shoeder has a career (I realize it's a short career so far...) game and hits 31 points and 8 boards. 6 for 9 from point land.
Glad they finally got a WIN!!!
80 - 70 over Platteville. Freshman Sami Shoeder has a career (I realize it's a short career so far...) game and hits 31 points and 8 boards. 6 for 9 from point land.
Glad they finally got a WIN!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 09, 2011, 01:35:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 09, 2011, 01:35:12 PM
The WARHAWKS beat River Falls 72-63. Both teams shot well in the first half. River Falls finishing with 54% and the WARHAWKS close behind at 52%. RF led 16-8 in the first five minutes. WHITEWATER got it to 16-15 when RF came back with a 13-0 run. The WARHAWKS gradually cut into the lead and after scoring the last six points trailed by a single point 40-39 at intermission. WHITEWATER got the first basket of the second half on a lay up by Dana Thompson and the two teams exchanged the lead nine times in the first ten minutes. The two teams exchanged leads and there were five ties over the next seven minutes when Kaitlyn Thill made a pair of free throws to give the WARHAWKS a lead they would not surrender with two and half minutes to play. Including Thill's pair the WARHAWKS went 9-9 from the free throw and got an old fashioned three point play from Courtney Kumerow the rest of the game. River Falls was cold from the field going just 15.6% of their second half shots.
Thompson had a double-double 13 points and 11 rebounds including 6 on the offensive end. Megan Theune led the WARHAWKS with 15 points including 3 3-pointers. Kumerow also finished with 13 points and Thill added 10. Led by Katie Burton's 3 assists the WARHAWKS had 16 assists on their 23 made shots. Defensively the WARHAWKS had 14 steals with Thill's 3 leading the way. Nine of ten players to see the floor had assists and steals for the WARHAWKS.
Stat of the game: The WARHAWK bench outscored RF's 23-0.
Tiffany Gregorich led all scorers with 31 points.
Thompson had a double-double 13 points and 11 rebounds including 6 on the offensive end. Megan Theune led the WARHAWKS with 15 points including 3 3-pointers. Kumerow also finished with 13 points and Thill added 10. Led by Katie Burton's 3 assists the WARHAWKS had 16 assists on their 23 made shots. Defensively the WARHAWKS had 14 steals with Thill's 3 leading the way. Nine of ten players to see the floor had assists and steals for the WARHAWKS.
Stat of the game: The WARHAWK bench outscored RF's 23-0.
Tiffany Gregorich led all scorers with 31 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 09, 2011, 01:58:53 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 09, 2011, 01:58:53 PM
Great game at Point yesterday with Point beating Lax 75-73. This would have been a great win for UWL and now puts them in a tough situation for winning the conference. No room for error. Point definitely showed they were beatable last night but excellent guard play seemed to carry them.
Frank went for 32 pts and 12 boards which is a great sign for UWL if she is contributing on offense.
Frank went for 32 pts and 12 boards which is a great sign for UWL if she is contributing on offense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 10, 2011, 07:04:57 PM
Post by: buf on January 10, 2011, 07:04:57 PM
The EC-Stout makeup game takes place in a couple hours. A month ago I would have said that EC would probably win fairly easily. But since then, it looks like EC has struggled a bit and Stout has improved (which was expected due to their youth). I still think EC wins, but I think it will be close.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 11, 2011, 12:13:42 AM
Post by: buf on January 11, 2011, 12:13:42 AM
After a terrible 1st half, EC rebounds nicely in the 2nd and cruises past Stout 71-50. EC trailed 28-25 at the half but used a 35-3 run (24-0 within that run) to take a commanding lead. A switch to a zone in the 2nd half is what I think turned this game around. Mesick led EC with 17pts and 13rebs (she had 0pts at the half). Rempert had a solid game as well. Rawdon led Stout with 18pts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 11, 2011, 07:46:12 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 11, 2011, 07:46:12 AM
I was at a seminar last night - so couldn't watch or listen. My wife texted me with an update at the half and then I called her when I got on the road - the score was 34 - 27 - Stout. Thought that an upset was in the making at Zorn....
While we were talking, EC started their run, and before we hung up (driving conditions were less than ideal on I-90 in Southern MN last night) the score was 38 - 36 for EC.
She called me back with the final score - it was hard to believe that in the last 15+ minutes of the game that Stout only scored 14 points.
Kudos to the EC squad for an extremely well played second half.
Some key numbers that stick out at me:
1. Messick held scoreless in the first half (only took 1 shot), but then hits 6 of 6 in the second half - along with 5 of 7 from the charity stripe.
2. Shooting percentage - both teams shot nearly the same number of shots - but Stout only hit 23% in the second half.
3. EC ruled the boards.
4. Stout kept this thng close in the first half by stealing the ball 9 times.
While we were talking, EC started their run, and before we hung up (driving conditions were less than ideal on I-90 in Southern MN last night) the score was 38 - 36 for EC.
She called me back with the final score - it was hard to believe that in the last 15+ minutes of the game that Stout only scored 14 points.
Kudos to the EC squad for an extremely well played second half.
Some key numbers that stick out at me:
1. Messick held scoreless in the first half (only took 1 shot), but then hits 6 of 6 in the second half - along with 5 of 7 from the charity stripe.
2. Shooting percentage - both teams shot nearly the same number of shots - but Stout only hit 23% in the second half.
3. EC ruled the boards.
4. Stout kept this thng close in the first half by stealing the ball 9 times.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 12, 2011, 10:25:44 PM
Post by: buf on January 12, 2011, 10:25:44 PM
No surprises tonight. EC, Point, UWL and UWW all win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 13, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
The WARHAWKS scored the first eight points before the Titans scored the next nine and the lead changed hands four times over the next three minutes when the WARHAWKS took a 18-15 lead with just over nine minutes remaining in the half. 7-1 and 9-0 streaks by the WARHAWKS gave them a eight point lead 34-26 at the half. The first ten minutes of the second half belonged to the WARHAWKS as they built the lead to nineteen, 54-35. The final ten minutes belonged to Oshkosh as they chipped away cutting the lead to eight, 65-57, when the game ended.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 28 points and added 14 rebounds. Chantel Burg also scored in double figures with 11 points. Kaitlyn Thill had game high 3 assists and 4 steals. Thill leads the conference in steals with 76 and is sixth in assists with 49.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 28 points and added 14 rebounds. Chantel Burg also scored in double figures with 11 points. Kaitlyn Thill had game high 3 assists and 4 steals. Thill leads the conference in steals with 76 and is sixth in assists with 49.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 15, 2011, 10:10:13 PM
Post by: JMM on January 15, 2011, 10:10:13 PM
Hard being a blugold fan this year. No commetary except, when your team fights and fights and stays in there and recovers from a first half of playing like they are on numb or just ate a 12 course turkey dinner, if your the coach you might call some key timeouts to help them. Specifically with 11.3 seconds left ahead by 1, you call time out and set up a defense. Not leave your time to kind of waddle down the court and get beat by a free layup. Englund coaches the big picutre and groth of the team community, but does nothing on fundamentals. Hats of to the White water coach who used 2-3 time outs at critical times to advise her team. If Englund calls time out with 11.3 seconds and set up the defense, the Buegolds win and are fufilled.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 16, 2011, 10:39:49 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 16, 2011, 10:39:49 AM
Call a timeout at the end of the game to set up a defense? I'm no John Wooden, but there's no way I call a timeout in that situation. That is on the players. Get back and play D.
Looked like they put up a heck of an effort and you are right that they sure keep fighting. Definitely scared to see Eau Claire come to Lax next weekend. That is definitely a trap game for the Eagles.
Looked like they put up a heck of an effort and you are right that they sure keep fighting. Definitely scared to see Eau Claire come to Lax next weekend. That is definitely a trap game for the Eagles.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2011, 01:19:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2011, 01:19:24 PM
Think about her options for a second JMM. Eau Claire was shooting free throws with 13 seconds left. Her choices were 1. call timeout before the first free throw, 2. call time out between the two free throws, 3. call a timeout after the second made free or 4. let the game play out. If she calls timeout in either the first or second options she ices her shooter. She couldn't call time out after the second attempt because it was missed and the WARHAWKS secured the rebound. So if she didn't want to ice her shooter she had no other option than to let the game play out. You have the advantage that she didn't. That being the advantage of hindsight. She has to make a decision in real time. I don't know her thought process but there are a fair number of coaches who don't believe it's wise to ice your shooter in a situation as critical as this one was.
WHITEWATER'S depth played a big part in this win. Eau Claire had a slight advantage in points in the paint (34-30), second chance points (10-9) and despite having 26 turnovers to the WARHAWK'S 17 scored one more point off of turnovers (22-21). Eau Claire made seven more free throws than WHITEWATER attempted (27-20). Eau Claire out rebounded the WARHAWKS 37-33. But WHITEWATER'S bench outscored Eau Claire 26-10.
Chantel Burg led four WARHAWKS in double figure scoring with 15 points. Dana Thompson added 13 points and Kaitlyn Thill and Mary Merg had 10 and 12 points respectively. The WARHAWKS took 63 shots to Eau Claire's 45.
WHITEWATER'S depth played a big part in this win. Eau Claire had a slight advantage in points in the paint (34-30), second chance points (10-9) and despite having 26 turnovers to the WARHAWK'S 17 scored one more point off of turnovers (22-21). Eau Claire made seven more free throws than WHITEWATER attempted (27-20). Eau Claire out rebounded the WARHAWKS 37-33. But WHITEWATER'S bench outscored Eau Claire 26-10.
Chantel Burg led four WARHAWKS in double figure scoring with 15 points. Dana Thompson added 13 points and Kaitlyn Thill and Mary Merg had 10 and 12 points respectively. The WARHAWKS took 63 shots to Eau Claire's 45.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 19, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
Post by: buf on January 19, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
Point over UWEC 61-46. And sadly, it didn't even seem that close. Lots of errant passes again for EC. Good defense by Point.
Other scores:
UWL over UWO in OT, 73-68
Stout over Sup, 73-68
UWW over UWP, 69-54
Other scores:
UWL over UWO in OT, 73-68
Stout over Sup, 73-68
UWW over UWP, 69-54
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 20, 2011, 08:42:33 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 20, 2011, 08:42:33 AM
Good game in Oshkosh last night. UWL built an 18 point lead and then Oshkosh's version of the Churchill twins took over. UWL was lucky to hold on for overtime. However, they did make it to the extra session and held UWO without a field goal.
Frank went for 21 pts, 19 boards, and 6 blocks. She keeps this offensive output going and they will be very tough to beat as long as the team plays defense like they can. Robinson had a solid 1st half off the bench getting to the line and ended up w/ 15 pts.
As it sits right now, UWL is right where they belong in the standings at 3rd. Gotta beat the best to be the best.
Frank went for 21 pts, 19 boards, and 6 blocks. She keeps this offensive output going and they will be very tough to beat as long as the team plays defense like they can. Robinson had a solid 1st half off the bench getting to the line and ended up w/ 15 pts.
As it sits right now, UWL is right where they belong in the standings at 3rd. Gotta beat the best to be the best.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2011, 11:14:22 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2011, 11:14:22 AM
With the score tied 6-6 WHITEWATER scored seven straight to lead 13-6 and led till the 2:25 mark when Platteville tied the score 25-25. However the WARHAWKS scored the last five points of the half for a 30-25 lead when it ended. The WARHAWKS started the second half with a 27-8 run in the first eight minutes and led by as many as 24 points. Platteville clawed back to within twelve, 66-54, with a little over two and half minutes remaining, but that is as close as it would get before it ended 69-54.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 24 points hitting 9-14 from the floor and 6-10 from the free throw line. She also led the team in rebounds with 6. Chantel Burg had 4 assists and Jamie Swanson 4 steals. The WARHAWKS shot 49% from the field.
Ashley Callahan and Ashley Henry had 13 and 10 points respectively to lead the Pioneers. Platteville was 0-7 from beyond the arc but attempted 61 shots to the WARHAWKS 51 largely due to pulling down 21 offensive rebounds.
Points in the paint were a significant factor as the WARHAWKS dominated inside 42-18.
Dana Thompson led all scorers with 24 points hitting 9-14 from the floor and 6-10 from the free throw line. She also led the team in rebounds with 6. Chantel Burg had 4 assists and Jamie Swanson 4 steals. The WARHAWKS shot 49% from the field.
Ashley Callahan and Ashley Henry had 13 and 10 points respectively to lead the Pioneers. Platteville was 0-7 from beyond the arc but attempted 61 shots to the WARHAWKS 51 largely due to pulling down 21 offensive rebounds.
Points in the paint were a significant factor as the WARHAWKS dominated inside 42-18.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 20, 2011, 12:41:56 PM
Post by: billys on January 20, 2011, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2011, 01:19:24 PMNot to mention the fact that calling a timeout in that situation allows the offense to draw/set-up exactly what they want from their final possession. There is a lot more the offense can do than the defense. And since she'd have to call the TO before both free throws are shot; she doesn't even know what the score/situation is going to be. The discussion during that timeout is actually a fairly difficult one to have. Other than man vs. zone and switching screens ... that defensive stand is going to rely on the players.
Think about her options for a second JMM. Eau Claire was shooting free throws with 13 seconds left. Her choices were 1. call timeout before the first free throw, 2. call time out between the two free throws, 3. call a timeout after the second made free or 4. let the game play out. If she calls timeout in either the first or second options she ices her shooter. She couldn't call time out after the second attempt because it was missed and the WARHAWKS secured the rebound. So if she didn't want to ice her shooter she had no other option than to let the game play out. You have the advantage that she didn't. That being the advantage of hindsight. She has to make a decision in real time. I don't know her thought process but there are a fair number of coaches who don't believe it's wise to ice your shooter in a situation as critical as this one was.
The assumption that a TO= sure win vs. a very good WW team is absurd.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2011, 01:35:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2011, 01:35:38 PM
The play by play indicates that she did actually call two timeouts. One with 6 seconds remaining before Burg's first free throw attempt and another just after her second attempt. I know that wasn't with 11 seconds, the time JMM feels it should have been called, but it was done with sufficent time to try and help her team set up a shot for the win. And who knows whatever she set up might have worked if the EC player hadn't fouled and turned the ball over. Of course she may have just discussed receipes and left them on their own. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2011, 02:26:52 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 20, 2011, 02:26:52 PM
I'm not getting into Xs and Os on this one, since I only play a coach here on these boards, but... ;)
In UWW's one point win, Leah Rempert had a good look and shot at the buzzer that just didn't fall... Had it done so, we wouldn't be talking about this as much, perhaps... What was more disconcerting as a Blugold fan was seeing the big lead the Warhawks jumped out to... A noble comeback effort by the Golds fell just short... I was also surprised at the number of fouls in the game; three WW players fouled out, and one Blugold. Wasn't pretty...
Moving on to last night's game. Ouch. Pointers clamped down and made big runs in each half; Blugolds didn't answer. As buf aptly said, it didn't seem that close...
The UWEC bigs played decent, Messick and Plendl combined for 30 of the points, but not much scoring support elsewhere... As aptly described it, it didn't wasn't as close as the 15-point loss indicated.
UWW and UWSP showed they are both worthy of their rankings; we'll see how the 'Golds respond to their next big test at UWL on Saturday... The Eagles have been playing well all season. Danielle Frank has been having some monster games for the Eagles recently, so we'll see how things play out in the paint this game, and see who capitalizes from the outside.... 'Golds would get a boost in confidence to revenge the earlier loss to UWL at Zorn....
In UWW's one point win, Leah Rempert had a good look and shot at the buzzer that just didn't fall... Had it done so, we wouldn't be talking about this as much, perhaps... What was more disconcerting as a Blugold fan was seeing the big lead the Warhawks jumped out to... A noble comeback effort by the Golds fell just short... I was also surprised at the number of fouls in the game; three WW players fouled out, and one Blugold. Wasn't pretty...
Moving on to last night's game. Ouch. Pointers clamped down and made big runs in each half; Blugolds didn't answer. As buf aptly said, it didn't seem that close...
The UWEC bigs played decent, Messick and Plendl combined for 30 of the points, but not much scoring support elsewhere... As aptly described it, it didn't wasn't as close as the 15-point loss indicated.
UWW and UWSP showed they are both worthy of their rankings; we'll see how the 'Golds respond to their next big test at UWL on Saturday... The Eagles have been playing well all season. Danielle Frank has been having some monster games for the Eagles recently, so we'll see how things play out in the paint this game, and see who capitalizes from the outside.... 'Golds would get a boost in confidence to revenge the earlier loss to UWL at Zorn....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 23, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 23, 2011, 09:51:33 AM
After a shellacking like that last night vs. EC some might be expecting me to praise Messick as the 2nd coming of Michael Jordan. ;D
Definitely not the case. I think she ended up with 14 pts, 8 of which came off blatant travels. (last time I checked you can not take a step, pivot, and then take 2 steps)
The difference in this game other than UWL not showing up was outstanding guard defense for EC in their 2-3 zone. Very agressive getting into passing lanes took advantage of UWLs lazy passing.
On another note. Great article in the La Crosse paper about Frank. Rough night for her, but she has put together quite an impressive January.
http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/college/article_cf947b78-26a9-11e0-914e-001cc4c03286.html
Definitely not the case. I think she ended up with 14 pts, 8 of which came off blatant travels. (last time I checked you can not take a step, pivot, and then take 2 steps)
The difference in this game other than UWL not showing up was outstanding guard defense for EC in their 2-3 zone. Very agressive getting into passing lanes took advantage of UWLs lazy passing.
On another note. Great article in the La Crosse paper about Frank. Rough night for her, but she has put together quite an impressive January.
http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/college/article_cf947b78-26a9-11e0-914e-001cc4c03286.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 23, 2011, 08:58:15 PM
Post by: JMM on January 23, 2011, 08:58:15 PM
Looks like EC and thir coach came to terms with the funky play and lack of during the game coaching. . Probably due to the article in the Eau Claire Leader Newspaper after the WW game. Englund was coaching during the game. I think there were only 9 turnovers. In the second half, EC did wave hands or moved out to LAX players shooting three pt shots. Winning is easy if you don't give the ball up 20-25 times. LAX was flat but really EC played very good defense and took Frank out od the game. As far as Messck walking - there were multiple 3 second violations by LAX that were not called. Christension seemed in the very last 5 minutes to want to og back to the sloppy play - but didn't. EC set up for offense, , made deliberate passes and worked for shots as opposed to not setting up and throwing the ball away and not working for shots. If they continue the way the they played at LAX, they could do some damage. SP and WW are both excellent teams. Realative to WW and EC and Englund not calling time out, a time out at with 11 seconds left, and a strategy would have helped the Blugolds. My primary point is that prior to the LAX game, there had been a string of games like Hanover,, RF, WW, and SP were Englund was not that effective. Yes he encouraged the team at half time or before or during time outs but did little while play was going on to manage. Englund was deeply involved on the bench at LAX - helping steer the ship. It showed and was obvious to those in attendance.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: swish4 on January 23, 2011, 11:31:49 PM
Post by: swish4 on January 23, 2011, 11:31:49 PM
Great win for the Blugolds on Saturday! It was fun to see the Blugolds play so well. JMM, I'm not sure what personal grudge you have against the Blugold's coach with your continual negative overanalysis comments with each post...like "came to terms with lack of during the game coaching" in your latest post. It seems in every one of your previous posts you find a way to rip the Head Coach and personally I've grown very tired of your negativity toward the profession and Coach Englund. (I guess that means I should just stop reading this board). However, I have watched some great games so far across the league and would like to discuss the positive things that happen when players play well, rather than your continual slamming of one particular coach. Bottom line, great win for the Blugolds...I'm happy for whole team! Hopefully the solid play will continue this week. It should be fun to watch! Go 'Golds!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2011, 06:10:39 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2011, 06:10:39 AM
Quote from: swish4 on January 23, 2011, 11:31:49 PMHowever, I have watched some great games so far across the league and would like to discuss the positive things that happen when players play well, rather than your continual slamming of one particular coach.
Trust me, JMM doesn't just slam one coach.... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2011, 10:17:04 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2011, 10:17:04 AM
She called three timeouts in the last 1:35 of the game against WHITEWATER but didn't call one with 11 seconds left. If she wasn't in game coaching during those three timeouts what do you think she was doing JMM?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 24, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Post by: JMM on January 24, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
OK - got the message no comments on coaching. I will close with one last note: if your team has a two year history of really, really, really bad turnovers, it is coaching, sorry but it is.
For those who saw the LAX came - it was a whole different world. Team thought before they passed and were deliberate about their play - world of difference. That was the real Blugold team.
Again, the openning sentence in the Eau Claire paper also clearly made the statement about" more of the same" relative to turn overs, so it just ain't me.
The turnovers have been that bad and probably cost a really good team 4 games this year: Hanover, St. Ben's RF and WW (probably SP as well). I think that would make the record 15-4 or something and that is what it should be.
Will not bring up coaching again
For those who saw the LAX came - it was a whole different world. Team thought before they passed and were deliberate about their play - world of difference. That was the real Blugold team.
Again, the openning sentence in the Eau Claire paper also clearly made the statement about" more of the same" relative to turn overs, so it just ain't me.
The turnovers have been that bad and probably cost a really good team 4 games this year: Hanover, St. Ben's RF and WW (probably SP as well). I think that would make the record 15-4 or something and that is what it should be.
Will not bring up coaching again
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 24, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 24, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
For those who saw the LAX came - it was a whole different world. Team thought before they passed and were deliberate about their play - world of difference. That was the real Blugold team.
Incorrect.
The real Blugold team is 1 game over .500 in the conference. Nothing more, nothing less.
If that was "the real team" they would be undefeated. Case & point, they're not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2011, 01:31:51 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2011, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 24, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
OK - got the message no comments on coaching. I will close with one last note: if your team has a two year history of really, really, really bad turnovers, it is coaching, sorry but it is.
That wasn't my message and I don't really care if you comment about coaches or not. But when you say she isn't in game coaching when she has called three timeouts in the last minute and a half I have to wonder just what it is that you think she is doing. I haven't seen her coach as often as you but the times that I have it's pretty clear to me that she is involved and actively coaching from start to finish.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 24, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
Post by: JMM on January 24, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
Absolutely, the real team is the one with the turn over problem and the seven losses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2011, 07:28:36 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 24, 2011, 07:28:36 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 24, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
Absolutely, the real team is the one with the turn over problem and the seven losses.
And it is the players, not the coach, that committed the turnovers.
Yes, the last two years UWEC has been at the bottom of the barrel as far as Turnover Margin.
But 2 years before that, they were right in the middle of the WIAC.
And the year before that - they were the best in the WIAC in Turnover Margin.
The HC is the same person - the players have changed.
For those who have been on this board - isn't it ironic that I am defending Tonya.... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 24, 2011, 08:11:49 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 24, 2011, 08:11:49 PM
Conference Tournament Seeds (Through Jan 23):
1. Stevens Point
2. Whitewater
3. La Crosse
4. River Falls
5. Eau Claire
6. Oshkosh
SP and WW earn the byes. Even through all their struggles to this point, EC looks like a pretty dangerous team in the tournament. I would expect LC to break through and win a game in the conference tournament if this is the set-up, but then be out after that game.
But, still a month left in the season. Lot can happen.
1. Stevens Point
2. Whitewater
3. La Crosse
4. River Falls
5. Eau Claire
6. Oshkosh
SP and WW earn the byes. Even through all their struggles to this point, EC looks like a pretty dangerous team in the tournament. I would expect LC to break through and win a game in the conference tournament if this is the set-up, but then be out after that game.
But, still a month left in the season. Lot can happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2011, 11:34:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2011, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: The Champ on January 24, 2011, 07:28:36 PM
For those who have been on this board - isn't it ironic that I am defending Tonya
I've said this before but I'll repeat it. Who are you and what have you done with Champ? :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2011, 07:19:43 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2011, 07:19:43 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2011, 11:34:13 AM
Who are you and what have you done with Champ? :D
It's me... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 26, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Post by: JMM on January 26, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
Disagree with Champ.
When a team has two years of turn over problems, it is the leader, the decison maker, the coach who needs to deal with it. As I said several days back, the coach up until the LAX game did nothing to deal with it. EC is not a team of fundamentals - that is the coaching. Fundamentals are: the ball is precious - protect it and don't be haphazard with it; don't throw the ball unless the player is open; don't be a guard who takes the ball in the back court and dribbles into the defense without setting up the offense and working the ball around; don't have forwards who are not your best ball handlers bring the ball up and get trapped. Christension and Olson have absolutley no problems with the press. Others do not handle the ball pressure well and get trapped.
The main fundamental is deliberate passes, this is more of a keeping your mind in the game thing with some but as coach, you need to deal with these things. Especially, when you have good talent, size and great gaurds and these things are stopping you from winning. 1 point with Hanover, WW, RF - these one point games are the season difference - turnovers, turnovers, turnovers - team fell apart with Hanover. The coach should have seen it coming and instilled confidence and promoted ball control.
If the issue is the players as you imply, - guess what - the coach has to fix it. When I look at WW and SP, it is extremely rare when they have the issues EC does. Why, it is the coaches - they demand fundamentals. It is obvious. Watch them play.
Finally, from a statisical point, EC seems OK with the 3 pt stats-wise.. It is obvious if you watch the games, the WIAC teams and the other teams who do their homework, know that EC does not attempt to put a hand in the face of someone shooting the 3 pt shoot. In the LAX game on Saturday, that changed. It was obvious LAX wanted to use the 3 pt shoot, last saturday EC took that away by waving a hand or stepping toward the player.
Englund does many things better than most - community building, strategic game plan , DEFENSE. I am not calling for her removal - at all - simply put - she needs to deal with two years of no fundamentals. I think this was done in the LAX game. If it is continued, with the exception of SP, EC could take the NCAA berth. the adjustments made against LAX are indicative of how this team can do. More importantly, everyone but Messick returns next year. if you don't deal with the fundamentals now and wait until you recruit players who were taught fundamentals at an early age, you're further wasting great talent for at least 1-2 more years. This is a young team. That said, they had last year to deal with the jitters and fundamentals - obvioulsy they did not.
When a team has two years of turn over problems, it is the leader, the decison maker, the coach who needs to deal with it. As I said several days back, the coach up until the LAX game did nothing to deal with it. EC is not a team of fundamentals - that is the coaching. Fundamentals are: the ball is precious - protect it and don't be haphazard with it; don't throw the ball unless the player is open; don't be a guard who takes the ball in the back court and dribbles into the defense without setting up the offense and working the ball around; don't have forwards who are not your best ball handlers bring the ball up and get trapped. Christension and Olson have absolutley no problems with the press. Others do not handle the ball pressure well and get trapped.
The main fundamental is deliberate passes, this is more of a keeping your mind in the game thing with some but as coach, you need to deal with these things. Especially, when you have good talent, size and great gaurds and these things are stopping you from winning. 1 point with Hanover, WW, RF - these one point games are the season difference - turnovers, turnovers, turnovers - team fell apart with Hanover. The coach should have seen it coming and instilled confidence and promoted ball control.
If the issue is the players as you imply, - guess what - the coach has to fix it. When I look at WW and SP, it is extremely rare when they have the issues EC does. Why, it is the coaches - they demand fundamentals. It is obvious. Watch them play.
Finally, from a statisical point, EC seems OK with the 3 pt stats-wise.. It is obvious if you watch the games, the WIAC teams and the other teams who do their homework, know that EC does not attempt to put a hand in the face of someone shooting the 3 pt shoot. In the LAX game on Saturday, that changed. It was obvious LAX wanted to use the 3 pt shoot, last saturday EC took that away by waving a hand or stepping toward the player.
Englund does many things better than most - community building, strategic game plan , DEFENSE. I am not calling for her removal - at all - simply put - she needs to deal with two years of no fundamentals. I think this was done in the LAX game. If it is continued, with the exception of SP, EC could take the NCAA berth. the adjustments made against LAX are indicative of how this team can do. More importantly, everyone but Messick returns next year. if you don't deal with the fundamentals now and wait until you recruit players who were taught fundamentals at an early age, you're further wasting great talent for at least 1-2 more years. This is a young team. That said, they had last year to deal with the jitters and fundamentals - obvioulsy they did not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 26, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
Post by: billys on January 26, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 26, 2011, 08:31:13 AMWhitewater turns it over just as much as Eau Claire does.
If the issue is the players as you imply, - guess what - the coach has to fix it. When I look at WW and SP, it is extremely rare when they have the issues EC does. Why, it is the coaches - they demand fundamentals. It is obvious. Watch them play.
What level did you coach at where you were magically able to turn around deficiencies in two-hours?
If you don't think PLAYERS at this level have major deficiencies in their games (that can be improved but likely not fixed) ... you're delusional. If they were perfect they wouldn't be playing at UWEC or the WIAC or DIII. Every team is good at something and bad at others. UWEC is really good defensively and rebounding ... those are two great things to be good at.
Point is not a great rebounding team ... Egner must not spend enough time working on that in practice.
I have a really hard time agreeing with any of your posts.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2011, 01:13:42 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2011, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: billys on January 26, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
Point is not a great rebounding team ... Egner must not spend enough time working on that in practice.
She should really spend two hours and fix that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 26, 2011, 01:44:19 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 26, 2011, 01:44:19 PM
Just realized that WW and Point play tonight. For UWL's sake....(and I know this is a pipe dream) I hope the following scenario plays out.
Point over WW tonight and UWL runs the table. This would leave WW and UWL each w/ 3 losses and then hopefully a tiebreaker win for UWL to get the #2 seed. For the record I don't see this scenario happening, but a person can dream right?
Now here's hoping UWL holds their own vs. Stout tonight. This team needs to put together a complete performance to start rebuild some confidence. It's too late in the season to be putting out efforts like they did vs. EC.
Point over WW tonight and UWL runs the table. This would leave WW and UWL each w/ 3 losses and then hopefully a tiebreaker win for UWL to get the #2 seed. For the record I don't see this scenario happening, but a person can dream right?
Now here's hoping UWL holds their own vs. Stout tonight. This team needs to put together a complete performance to start rebuild some confidence. It's too late in the season to be putting out efforts like they did vs. EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2011, 01:56:02 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2011, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 26, 2011, 08:31:13 AM
If the issue is the players as you imply, - guess what - the coach has to fix it.
The New York Yankees - with a virtually unlimited budget - can't fix every problem. But they assemble the best team that money can buy and hope for the best.
This is DIII BB with no budget to "buy" players. Tonya is doing what she can with what she has.
If you can do better - maybe you should apply for the next HC position that opens up.
My guess is you wouldn't even get a phone interview.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on January 26, 2011, 09:18:58 PM
Post by: billys on January 26, 2011, 09:18:58 PM
Woah ... Stout ... Meet the back-end of a HUGE boot from UW-L. Down 39 w/10 min left in the 2nd half. Yikes- Looks like those of us who questioned their talent at the start of the year were probably hearing right.
Point up 10 mid-way through the 2nd half and has had a nice cushion most of the night.
EC up 6 on Oshkosh with 8 min left ... and EC only has SIX TO's! But it does appear that EC must not be putting their hands up against 3-point shooters. See I can make rash judgments without actually watching the game too.
Point up 10 mid-way through the 2nd half and has had a nice cushion most of the night.
EC up 6 on Oshkosh with 8 min left ... and EC only has SIX TO's! But it does appear that EC must not be putting their hands up against 3-point shooters. See I can make rash judgments without actually watching the game too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2011, 09:33:16 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 26, 2011, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: billys on January 26, 2011, 09:18:58 PM
Woah ... Stout ... Meet the back-end of a HUGE boot from UW-L. Down 39 w/10 min left in the 2nd half. Yikes- Looks like those of us who questioned their talent at the start of the year were probably hearing right.
Yeah - been kind of a rough season so far... :'(
I think LC is making up for last Saturday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 26, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Post by: JMM on January 26, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Champ, a two year starter for EC only played 15 minutes against oshkosh, usually plays 30 + minutes, why, two bad turnovers in a row and to the bench. Last two games Tonja is focused on the turnover issue. Tonight only 9 turnovers. Players are getting the message from the coach, turn it over get the bench. This is the first issue that EC needs to deal with, looks like Englund is finally dealing with it. Oshkosh played very well and beat the Blugolds on defense and high shooting percentage. Good that EC turnovers way down. Champ, you may be right about EC talent. They have no speed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
Post by: buf on January 26, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
As billys mentioned, EC was leading UWO 45-39 with 7min left. However, from there on out UWO dominated and ended up winning, 62-53. EC has only 1 home win (Stout) in 6 conference games this season. Very dissapointing!
UWL crushes Stout, 82-36. Who is this Kassie Robinson? She goes 11-11 from the field, including 1-1 on 3s. She also goes 3-3 from the line and pulls down 9 boards.
Point now in the conference driver's seat with a big win over UWW, 66-47.
UWL crushes Stout, 82-36. Who is this Kassie Robinson? She goes 11-11 from the field, including 1-1 on 3s. She also goes 3-3 from the line and pulls down 9 boards.
Point now in the conference driver's seat with a big win over UWW, 66-47.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on January 26, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Post by: buf on January 26, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 26, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
They have no speed.
This is why I think EC NEEDS to play zone. Its been a constant theme.....the opponents post players get the ball away from the basket forcing EC posts to come out to defend and then they drive it to the basket. Plus, person to person defense just kills Plendl. Everytime they play man, she ends up playing 10-15 minutes due to foul trouble. In addition, she gets pulled out of the lane...now there is no shot blocker underneath the basket.
I'm sure Englund wants to play man, but I just don't think she has the players to do that for the majority of the game. Sitting in a zone keeps Plendl out on the court longer and keeps her underneath the basket. Now the downside is that you may give the other team open shots from 3-land. But at this point EC may have to take those chances.
I'm not trying to play coach, but just throwing in my 2-cents
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2011, 06:52:42 AM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2011, 06:52:42 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 26, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Champ, a two year starter for EC only played 15 minutes against oshkosh, usually plays 30 + minutes, why, two bad turnovers in a row and to the bench. Last two games Tonja is focused on the turnover issue. Tonight only 9 turnovers. Players are getting the message from the coach, turn it over get the bench. This is the first issue that EC needs to deal with, looks like Englund is finally dealing with it. Oshkosh played very well and beat the Blugolds on defense and high shooting percentage. Good that EC turnovers way down.
Is Englund playing "mind games" with her players?
Seems to me that's what you said about another WIAC HC that did the exact same thing last year (and has done it this year, and will again next year too).
Last week it was the HC that was the problem. This week it's the players. Maybe next week it's the fans.... ???
QuoteChamp, you may be right...
Thank you... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 27, 2011, 08:49:16 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 27, 2011, 08:49:16 AM
Quote from: buf on January 26, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
UWL crushes Stout, 82-36. Who is this Kassie Robinson? She goes 11-11 from the field, including 1-1 on 3s. She also goes 3-3 from the line and pulls down 9 boards.
Kassie is a transfer from St. Thomas. She can definitely score, but has struggled at times this year as she can have a tough time playing defense against some of the WIAC forwards. Great to see her go off like she did. Good confidence builder and UWL could use some offensive production off the bench. Kassie could definitely be the difference maker during close games if she can be that efficient.
Coach Thomas was definitely frustrated with his team and it was easy to see why. At one point UWL scored a layup on a missed assignment and Thomas put his face into a chair in disgust, by the time he turned around again UWL had stolen the inbound pass and scored again. I think that summed up his feelings for the night. He pulled all 5 starters less than a minute into the 2nd half and benched them for quite a while.
Overall that was a beating of a game especially since UWL starters didn't play much more than 5 minutes in the 2nd half.
One thing I know for sure is that I don't want to be Lois going into Stout next year after losing all 5 starters to graduation. Something tells me there will be no mercy in that matchup.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 27, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Consistency and turnovers have been a problem all year for UWEC. If you listen to, or have been reading anything that Coach Englund has been saying all year, the whole season, you'd realize she's been aware of it. It didn't take a story in the local paper to point it out...
Perhaps benching a starter was a indeed message? Or maybe the player wasn't feeling well, or was injured, or what? Who knows? But turnovers have always been a focus, something Englund has stressed, for as long as she's been the coach.
What is of more concern is the 3-5 record at Zorn. So, like Champ says, maybe it's the fans. ;)
Perhaps benching a starter was a indeed message? Or maybe the player wasn't feeling well, or was injured, or what? Who knows? But turnovers have always been a focus, something Englund has stressed, for as long as she's been the coach.
What is of more concern is the 3-5 record at Zorn. So, like Champ says, maybe it's the fans. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2011, 06:32:36 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 27, 2011, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on January 27, 2011, 05:57:26 PMWhat is of more concern is the 3-5 record at Zorn. So, like Champ says, maybe it's the fans. ;)
;) ;) ;)
Had to laugh at that one...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 27, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
Post by: JMM on January 27, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
Could be moody fans! Enough from me on EC turnovers unless it continues into next year. Then I will resign as AD.
SO does WW and SP go NCAA tournament? And can any one stop SP from winning the NCAA bid. (I'm trying to change the subject to show, I'm done complaining).
SO does WW and SP go NCAA tournament? And can any one stop SP from winning the NCAA bid. (I'm trying to change the subject to show, I'm done complaining).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on January 28, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on January 28, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 27, 2011, 06:59:44 PM
Could be moody fans! Enough from me on EC turnovers unless it continues into next year. Then I will resign as AD.
SO does WW and SP go NCAA tournament? And can any one stop SP from winning the NCAA bid. (I'm trying to change the subject to show, I'm done complaining).
UWL and WW are the obvious choices. I'm pretty confident UWL could beat Point in a one game take all setting. The question is can they beat team X, WW, and Point 3 games in a row to get the Automatic bid. That is a much tougher task.
Either way, if WW or UWL gets the chance to play Point either one of them have a very good chance of pulling off the upset. In WW's favor is that I have always thought one of the toughest things to do is to beat a team 3 times in one year, especially a good team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
The WIAC hasn't had an undefeated conference champ since Eau Claire in 2002-03. Can UWSP run the table?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
Their remaining schedule lines up pretty well for them. There's no way I can see them losing to Superior, Stout or Platteville. Of the three toughest appearing games remaining Eau Claire and River Falls are at home leaving only LaCrosse which they'll have to play on the road. It was a close game the first time around so it will be a challenge on LaCrosse's home court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 28, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on January 28, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Lot of players missing games for this league so far this year. EC, WW, SP, RF, Platteville, LC have all had key players miss conference games this year.
This may be one reason Oshkosh has really stepped up and is looking on not only making the conference tournament, but possibly even hosting a game at Kolf. I have heard the first step of success is showing up and Oshkosh is proving this true by having the same starting line up every game this season.
This may be one reason Oshkosh has really stepped up and is looking on not only making the conference tournament, but possibly even hosting a game at Kolf. I have heard the first step of success is showing up and Oshkosh is proving this true by having the same starting line up every game this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 29, 2011, 10:48:48 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 29, 2011, 10:48:48 PM
Congratulations to Coach Egner of UWSP on her 400th win. She got her 200th win in the 2002 national championship game, so it took her a full 13 seasons to win her first 200, but less than nine to win her second 200.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
With the opening basket, a layup by Dana Thompson, the WARHAWKS took a lead they would never surrender and Thompson joined eleven other WARHAWK players to score 1000 points in their careers. Coupling that with her 500+ rebounds and the list is shrunk to five. Thompson's basket was part of a 12-2 game opening run by the WARHAWKS who eventually built a 24-8 lead with 9:56 left in the half Stout cut the deficit to nine points, twice, but the WARHAWKS went into intermission leading 38-22. Stout cut the deficit to twelve points in the second half but with each team scoring 31 points the halftime lead held up 69-53.
Each team connected on only a single three point basket with Stout going 1 of 14 and the WARHAWKS attempting a season low 8 attempts. Stout committed 33 turnovers, 20 of which were steals by the WARHAWKS. Thompson finished with 19 points and tied with a game high 6 rebounds. Cortney Kumerow also had double figure points finishing with 12. Kaityln Thill had game highs of 5 assists and 7 steals. As a freshman Thill is leading the conference in steals with 78.
Each team connected on only a single three point basket with Stout going 1 of 14 and the WARHAWKS attempting a season low 8 attempts. Stout committed 33 turnovers, 20 of which were steals by the WARHAWKS. Thompson finished with 19 points and tied with a game high 6 rebounds. Cortney Kumerow also had double figure points finishing with 12. Kaityln Thill had game highs of 5 assists and 7 steals. As a freshman Thill is leading the conference in steals with 78.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2011, 01:36:45 PM
Post by: The Champ on January 31, 2011, 01:36:45 PM
A loss is still a loss - but at least the Stout crew kept it reasonably close this time. The LaCrosse game was tough for a fan to follow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2011, 12:43:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2011, 12:43:38 PM
The WHITEWATER hosting LaCrosse game has been rescheduled for Thursday 2/3.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:29:21 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:29:21 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 02, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
Post by: buf on February 02, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
First regional rankings are out:
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 12-3 15-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 18-2
3. UW-Whitewater 13-3 16-3
4. Chicago 15-3 15-3
5. Washington U. 12-2 15-3
6. Millikin 14-4 14-5
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 12-3 15-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 18-2
3. UW-Whitewater 13-3 16-3
4. Chicago 15-3 15-3
5. Washington U. 12-2 15-3
6. Millikin 14-4 14-5
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2011, 08:51:06 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2011, 08:51:06 PM
UWSP leading Stout by 10 at the half, 39-29. UWSP is very balanced with 20 points from starters and 19 points from the bench.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 02, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
Post by: buf on February 02, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
EC defeats RF, 45-32. Both teams shot awful...EC at 30%, RF at 18%.
Point crushes Stout in the 2nd half and goes on to win 86-50.
Point crushes Stout in the 2nd half and goes on to win 86-50.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2011, 10:12:58 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 03, 2011, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: buf on February 02, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
EC defeats RF, 45-32. Both teams shot awful...EC at 30%, RF at 18%.
Point crushes Stout in the 2nd half and goes on to win 86-50.
Yikes. If you got 78 points for EC-RF and bet the "over", you lost.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 03, 2011, 10:01:16 PM
Post by: buf on February 03, 2011, 10:01:16 PM
UWL gets a come-from-behind win at UWW, 73-66.
UWO over UWP, 78-67
UWO over UWP, 78-67
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 03, 2011, 10:06:28 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 03, 2011, 10:06:28 PM
UWL gets the win they needed at Whitewater tonight. They went 28-33 from the free throw line to win 73-66. Wow.
All of a sudden UWLs collective season looks pretty solid.
4 of 5 losses to teams in the top 25 or receiving votes.
Wins over #11 WW and #12 Chicago.
Hopefully they can keep the momentum going into the playoffs.
All of a sudden UWLs collective season looks pretty solid.
4 of 5 losses to teams in the top 25 or receiving votes.
Wins over #11 WW and #12 Chicago.
Hopefully they can keep the momentum going into the playoffs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 04, 2011, 01:44:07 AM
Post by: billys on February 04, 2011, 01:44:07 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 03, 2011, 10:06:28 PMGood work Eagles! Nice win
UWL gets the win they needed at Whitewater tonight. They went 28-33 from the free throw line to win 73-66. Wow.
All of a sudden UWLs collective season looks pretty solid.
4 of 5 losses to teams in the top 25 or receiving votes.
Wins over #11 WW and #12 Chicago.
Hopefully they can keep the momentum going into the playoffs.
Without doing ANY legwork I feel like they've been relatively successful in that gym; maybe moreso than they have at home vs. WW?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 04, 2011, 10:57:33 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 04, 2011, 10:57:33 AM
The difference in the UWL UWW game was freethrows and rebounding. 15 - 3 offensive rebounding edge for UWL was huge, as UWW shot better than UWL. 48% - 39% FG and 50% - 28% 3pt.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2011, 04:00:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2011, 04:00:07 PM
The WARHAWKS started the game with 5-0 run but LaCrosse answered with a 9-0 run of their own. An 11-0 run by the WARHAWKS put them in front 16-9. LaCrosse came back to tie the score four times after that including the conclusion of the half at 28-28. LaCrosse was strong on their offensive board with 11 first half offensive rebounds, Franke had 8 of them, though the WARHAWKS shot better, 44% to 32%, to keep the game tied. The second half was a string of runs by both teams. WHITEWATER went first with a 11-2 run and a 39-20 lead. LaCrosse went on a 7-0 run to get within a pair and the WARHAWKS responded with a 7-0 run of their own and a 46-37 advantage. LaCrosse's turn to answer saw them go 10-2 and pull with a single point 48-47 with a little less than six and half minutes to play. The WARHAWKS went back up 51-47 but after that it was LaCrosse who ran off a 16-2 spurt to go up by ten points 63-53 with a minute and half to play. Their lead was never less than seven points after that as the Eagle's went 14 for 14 from the free throw line. It was a frustrating loss. We controlled most of the game only to falter down the stretch. But credit LaCrosse they never let things get out of hand and made plays down the stretch when it counted.
Taylor Larson played better than I've ever seen her play leading all scorers with 20 points including 7-7 from the free line down the stretch.
Dana Thompson paced the WARHAWKS 17 points and had a game high 5 steals. Chantel Burg had 14 points and a team high 7 rebounds.
Taylor Larson played better than I've ever seen her play leading all scorers with 20 points including 7-7 from the free line down the stretch.
Dana Thompson paced the WARHAWKS 17 points and had a game high 5 steals. Chantel Burg had 14 points and a team high 7 rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 05, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
Post by: buf on February 05, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
Hannah Mesick's clutch basket with 3 seconds lifted EC to a much needed home victory over UWP, 46-45. Terrible shooting outside the paint led to a small deficit for much of the game for EC. EC then went on a late 14-0 run to take a 44-37 lead with 5 minutes to go. UWP countered with a 8-0 run to take a one point lead setting the stage for Mesick's late bucket.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2011, 11:41:19 PM
Post by: JMM on February 05, 2011, 11:41:19 PM
Interesting, RF so ineffective against EC but turns around and takes WW. WW in a bit of a slump. EC needs to get some mojo going. Seem very tentative and slow. Lucky they took Plateville, real lucky. WIAC is getting interesting but atlast! can anyone take point in the tourney?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2011, 08:20:35 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 06, 2011, 08:20:35 AM
Alumni Day at Stout
Yesterday was the annual Alumni Game/Day at Johnson Fieldhouse. At 10:00 AM - the group of former players donned their old uniforms and went out on the hardwood to "strut their stuff". It was great to see these ladies again! And many of them still looked to be in great BB form - at least offensively - with over 150 points being scored... ;D
And to honor the former players - the current Stout players presented their predecessors with a much needed "W" last night!!!
It was an up and down first half for the Blue Devils.
Stout started strong with a 5 - 0 run, and held a lead for about 5 minutes and with 8 minutes to go in the first have Stout trailed by only 1 point. But then UWO turned up the heat and went on a 16 - 5 run to close out the half. However - the final ponts scored in the first half was a buzzer beating jumper by Amy Van Hulzen to narrow the deficit to 12 points.
Was that the momentum changer? Maybe... Because in the second half it was a whole new ballgame. In the first 5 minutes - tougher defense by Stout narrowed the deficit to 8 points. With 10 minutes left the deficit was still 8 points.
Then things changed. The "tougher" defense became even tougher. Stout closed the game out with a 21 - 5 run and never looked back... ;D
Leading the comeback was Freshman Sami Shoeder from Durand - shooting 4 - 5 from the field (2 for 2 from 3 pont range) and 9 of 10 from the charity stripe.
In the first half - UWO domintaed the boards with a 23 - 15 advantage. The second half, Stout returned the favor with a 19 - 12 advantage.
It's been a rough year being a Stout fan. For the first time since the 1988 - 89 season, the Coach T led squad has had a losing season. 21 straight winning seasons!
Hopefully, the win last night will be the start of wining regularly again for the "Runnin' Lady Vlue Devils"... ;)
Yesterday was the annual Alumni Game/Day at Johnson Fieldhouse. At 10:00 AM - the group of former players donned their old uniforms and went out on the hardwood to "strut their stuff". It was great to see these ladies again! And many of them still looked to be in great BB form - at least offensively - with over 150 points being scored... ;D
And to honor the former players - the current Stout players presented their predecessors with a much needed "W" last night!!!
It was an up and down first half for the Blue Devils.
Stout started strong with a 5 - 0 run, and held a lead for about 5 minutes and with 8 minutes to go in the first have Stout trailed by only 1 point. But then UWO turned up the heat and went on a 16 - 5 run to close out the half. However - the final ponts scored in the first half was a buzzer beating jumper by Amy Van Hulzen to narrow the deficit to 12 points.
Was that the momentum changer? Maybe... Because in the second half it was a whole new ballgame. In the first 5 minutes - tougher defense by Stout narrowed the deficit to 8 points. With 10 minutes left the deficit was still 8 points.
Then things changed. The "tougher" defense became even tougher. Stout closed the game out with a 21 - 5 run and never looked back... ;D
Leading the comeback was Freshman Sami Shoeder from Durand - shooting 4 - 5 from the field (2 for 2 from 3 pont range) and 9 of 10 from the charity stripe.
In the first half - UWO domintaed the boards with a 23 - 15 advantage. The second half, Stout returned the favor with a 19 - 12 advantage.
It's been a rough year being a Stout fan. For the first time since the 1988 - 89 season, the Coach T led squad has had a losing season. 21 straight winning seasons!
Hopefully, the win last night will be the start of wining regularly again for the "Runnin' Lady Vlue Devils"... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 06, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 06, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
RF scored first but the WARHAWKS quickly took the lead and built to a high of ten points, 31-21, with a little over two minutes remaining before the Falcons cut it down to four points, 33-29, when the half ended. RF took the lead early in the second half building it to a high of seven points, 54-47, with about nine and half minutes to play and holding it in the 4-6 point range until the WARHAWKS tied it 63-63 with :48 to play. The WARHAWKS had two chances to win in regulation but a missed free throw and missed jump shot took the teams to overtime. The WARHAWKS either led or were tied for the bulk of the overtime. However after the two teams were tied for the seventh time 69-69 with 1:16 to play a WARHAWK turnover on a foul opened the door for the Falcons who got a layup to go ahead and after another WARHAWK foul got a huge offensive rebound and pair of free throws to create the final score 73-69.
Mary Merg and Megan Theune led the WARHAWKS with 12 points apiece. Kaitlyn Thill also score in double figures with 10 points and had a game high 4 steals. The Falcons did a good job controlling Dana Thompson as she finished with only 7 points and took only 7 shots.
Taylor House had 19 points to lead four Falcon players who finished in double figures scoring.
The ugliest stat of the game: Rebounds....Falcons 53, WARHAWKS 31. Ouch!
With Platteville coming to the Williams Center Wednesday night I'm hoping we can get back on track. We may have just played our way into third place.
Mary Merg and Megan Theune led the WARHAWKS with 12 points apiece. Kaitlyn Thill also score in double figures with 10 points and had a game high 4 steals. The Falcons did a good job controlling Dana Thompson as she finished with only 7 points and took only 7 shots.
Taylor House had 19 points to lead four Falcon players who finished in double figures scoring.
The ugliest stat of the game: Rebounds....Falcons 53, WARHAWKS 31. Ouch!
With Platteville coming to the Williams Center Wednesday night I'm hoping we can get back on track. We may have just played our way into third place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 07, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 07, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
UWL beats Superior 73-58 on Saturday. Frank goes for 23 pts and 17 boards and Churchill gets 12 pts 14 boards and 6 assists. Was never really closer than a 10 point game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 09, 2011, 05:21:32 PM
Post by: buf on February 09, 2011, 05:21:32 PM
This week's Central regional rankings:
Central
1. Illinois Wesleyan 13-3 16-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 19-2 19-2
3. UW-La Crosse 16-5 17-5
4. UW-Whitewater 13-5 16-5
5. Chicago 17-3 17-3
6. Washington U. 14-2 17-3
Central
1. Illinois Wesleyan 13-3 16-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 19-2 19-2
3. UW-La Crosse 16-5 17-5
4. UW-Whitewater 13-5 16-5
5. Chicago 17-3 17-3
6. Washington U. 14-2 17-3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 09, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
Post by: JMM on February 09, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
EC vs SP.
You-turna-the-balla-over 21 times. You-a-lose. Hope the EC team loses the habit for next year. Bet they do not. Player speed is a real issue with EC.
Nice to see LAX with high rank. SP has a shot at national championshhip - a shot.
You-turna-the-balla-over 21 times. You-a-lose. Hope the EC team loses the habit for next year. Bet they do not. Player speed is a real issue with EC.
Nice to see LAX with high rank. SP has a shot at national championshhip - a shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 09, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
Post by: buf on February 09, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
Scores:
UWL over UWO, 56-44. Frank with 16pts & 14rebs
Point over UWEC, 67-59. 21TOs vs. 9TOs. Mesick with 19pts & 16rebs
UWW over UWP, 72-47
UWL over UWO, 56-44. Frank with 16pts & 14rebs
Point over UWEC, 67-59. 21TOs vs. 9TOs. Mesick with 19pts & 16rebs
UWW over UWP, 72-47
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2011, 06:55:47 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2011, 06:55:47 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 09, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
EC vs SP.
You-turna-the-balla-over 21 times. You-a-lose.
Not necessarily - how about if you create a similar number for the opposition?
Point leads the WIAC in Turnover Margin - they average taking the ball away from the opponent 20.5 times per game in WIAC play.
Point averages 13.1 TO's per game, but only had 9 last night.
UWEC owned the boards 46 - 38. UWEC had a better shooting percentage from the floor 40.4 - 38.5, from 3 point range 38.5 - 37.5 and from the freethrow line 66.7 - 53.5.
Point took 8 more shots from the floor (9 of them 3 pointers) - that and the fact that Point turned the ball 4 times less than their WIAC average are equally important factors in their win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2011, 07:09:13 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 10, 2011, 07:09:13 AM
Meanwhile - from the NW tip of Wisconsin...
Stout backs up their Saturday win with a 78 - 66 victory over Superior.
A very balanced scoring attack by the Blue Devil starters - 16 for Rawdon, 15 for Keehr, 15 for Windt, 13 for Van Vreede and 7 for Shoeder.
Stout only hit 1 three pointer all night long (1 for 13), but still managed to shoot nearly 51% for the game from the field. They controlled the boards 44 - 37 and only had 12 fouls for the game. Superior shot under 34% and committed 26 fouls. The margin of victory was at the FT line - 23 for Stout and only 11 for Superior.
Stout backs up their Saturday win with a 78 - 66 victory over Superior.
A very balanced scoring attack by the Blue Devil starters - 16 for Rawdon, 15 for Keehr, 15 for Windt, 13 for Van Vreede and 7 for Shoeder.
Stout only hit 1 three pointer all night long (1 for 13), but still managed to shoot nearly 51% for the game from the field. They controlled the boards 44 - 37 and only had 12 fouls for the game. Superior shot under 34% and committed 26 fouls. The margin of victory was at the FT line - 23 for Stout and only 11 for Superior.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
Platteville scored the first basket for their only lead of the game. The WARHAWKS responed with a 8-0 run and with the score 17-7and eleven minutes remaing in the half went on a 10-2 run for their largest lead of the half at 27-9. However the Pioneers outscored the WARHAWKS 18-6 over the last eight minutes of the half to trail 33-27 when it ended. The WARHAWKS started the second half quickly and Platteville struggled. Leading by twelve 41-29 with sixteen and half minutes to play the WARHAWKS went on a29-10 run over the next eleven and half minutes to take their largest lead 70-39. Platteville had two droughts totaling eight and half minutes during that time frame. The game ended with the WARHAWKS on top 72-47.
Mary Merg played her best game of the season finishing with a game high 15 points on 6-10 shooting including 3-3 from behind the arc. Courtney Kumerow also finished in double figures with 10 points. Dana Thompson had a game high 11 rebounds as the WARHAWKS out rebounded Platteville 43-35. Kaitlyn Thill's line read 9 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists and 5 steals with 3 turnovers in twenty one minutes.
Ashley Callahan led the Pioneers with 10 points.
Mary Merg played her best game of the season finishing with a game high 15 points on 6-10 shooting including 3-3 from behind the arc. Courtney Kumerow also finished in double figures with 10 points. Dana Thompson had a game high 11 rebounds as the WARHAWKS out rebounded Platteville 43-35. Kaitlyn Thill's line read 9 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists and 5 steals with 3 turnovers in twenty one minutes.
Ashley Callahan led the Pioneers with 10 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: John Gleich on February 11, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Post by: John Gleich on February 11, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Any Pointer fans planning on heading to the men's game at 3:00... wear your gold... It's a Gold Out!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 13, 2011, 09:51:54 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 13, 2011, 09:51:54 AM
After traveling all the way to the NW tip of Wisconsin on Wednesday, theStout Runnin' Lady Blue Devils reversed direction and traveled to the SW tip of Wisconsin on Saturday.
And brought home a win from both!!!
A 3 game winning streak - more importantly - a 3 game WIAC winning streak!!!
The game didn't start well for the Blue Devils. Down 4 - 0 with just over a minute of play - Coach T pulled all the starters and put in the 2nd line. 4 minutes later, with the score 7 - 0, T put the starters back in. Now some here might say he was "playing mind games" with his players. All I know is that Stout scored the next 6 points - and went on a 37 - 15 run in the last 15 minutes of the first half.
I think his starters (and the rest of the team) got the message... ;) ;D :o
Trisha VanVrede led all scorers with 22 points. Kayla Windt and Sami Shoeder each contributed 13 points. Leading rebounder for the Blue Devils was "TEAM" with 10.... ??? Whitney Rawdon was 2nd with 7.
The Blue Devils have a bye on Wednesday and then close out the season on Saturday night at Johnson Fieldhouse against the EC.
And brought home a win from both!!!
A 3 game winning streak - more importantly - a 3 game WIAC winning streak!!!
The game didn't start well for the Blue Devils. Down 4 - 0 with just over a minute of play - Coach T pulled all the starters and put in the 2nd line. 4 minutes later, with the score 7 - 0, T put the starters back in. Now some here might say he was "playing mind games" with his players. All I know is that Stout scored the next 6 points - and went on a 37 - 15 run in the last 15 minutes of the first half.
I think his starters (and the rest of the team) got the message... ;) ;D :o
Trisha VanVrede led all scorers with 22 points. Kayla Windt and Sami Shoeder each contributed 13 points. Leading rebounder for the Blue Devils was "TEAM" with 10.... ??? Whitney Rawdon was 2nd with 7.
The Blue Devils have a bye on Wednesday and then close out the season on Saturday night at Johnson Fieldhouse against the EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 13, 2011, 01:27:14 PM
Post by: buf on February 13, 2011, 01:27:14 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 13, 2011, 09:51:54 AM
The Blue Devils have a bye on Wednesday and then close out the season on Saturday night at Johnson Fieldhouse against the EC.
..........and the halftime entertainment is Champ versus JMM in a no-holds-barred steel cage match. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 13, 2011, 05:21:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 13, 2011, 05:21:40 PM
Eau Claire led 10-6 in the first four minutes of the game. Behind a pair of three point baskets from Kaitlyn Thill and Emily Bestor the WARHAWKS made an 8-0 run to take the lead they would never surrender and finished the half ahead 42-38. Jamie Swanson paced the WARHAWKS in the half making all four of her shot attempts including three three pointers. Mesick was 8-11 from the floor and had 20 of Eau Claire's 38 points. The WARHAWKS started the second half with a 15-5 run in the first four minutes and led by fifteen 59-44. Eau Claire got the lead down to seven points with nine and half minutes to play but that was as close as they would get. The final was 85-75.
The difference in the game was three pointers WW: 9-17 EC: 6-13 and free throws WW: 20-26 EC: 17-22. Swanson led the WARHAWKS with 15 points and had a game high 4 assists. Mary Merg added 14, Dana Thompson 13 and Chantel Burg 10. All ten WARHAWKS seeing floor time scored points with the bench outscoring Eau Claire's 40-10. WHITEWATER won the battle of the boards against the taller BluGolds 36-28 with Thompson pulling down a team high 8.
Mesick finished with 31 points. Sarah Bingea added 17 as well as a game high 9 boards and Laura Olson had 10 points for the BluGolds.
The difference in the game was three pointers WW: 9-17 EC: 6-13 and free throws WW: 20-26 EC: 17-22. Swanson led the WARHAWKS with 15 points and had a game high 4 assists. Mary Merg added 14, Dana Thompson 13 and Chantel Burg 10. All ten WARHAWKS seeing floor time scored points with the bench outscoring Eau Claire's 40-10. WHITEWATER won the battle of the boards against the taller BluGolds 36-28 with Thompson pulling down a team high 8.
Mesick finished with 31 points. Sarah Bingea added 17 as well as a game high 9 boards and Laura Olson had 10 points for the BluGolds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 13, 2011, 07:21:08 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 13, 2011, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: buf on February 13, 2011, 01:27:14 PM..........and the halftime entertainment is Champ versus JMM in a no-holds-barred steel cage match. ;D
buf - are you "playing mind games"???? ;D Someone on this board doesn't like that... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 14, 2011, 09:48:02 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 14, 2011, 09:48:02 AM
What a perfect way to start of Valentine's day by reading a snarky comment from Champ. ;D
Season is winding down and still a lot to be decided. UWL needs to keep pushing for that #2 seed as the tournament gets a lot more winnable from that position.
Might be too early for at large talk, but 3 more wins and a loss in the championship game woud create a pretty solid resume for UWL. Anything less than that and I think they are on the outside looking in.
Season is winding down and still a lot to be decided. UWL needs to keep pushing for that #2 seed as the tournament gets a lot more winnable from that position.
Might be too early for at large talk, but 3 more wins and a loss in the championship game woud create a pretty solid resume for UWL. Anything less than that and I think they are on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:38:02 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:38:02 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 16, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
Post by: buf on February 16, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
For quicker reference:
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 15-3 18-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 21-2 21-2
3. UW-Whitewater 15-5 18-5
4. Chicago 19-3 19-3
5. UW-La Crosse 17-5 18-5
6. Wisconsin Lutheran 19-3 20-3
Central Region
1. Illinois Wesleyan 15-3 18-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 21-2 21-2
3. UW-Whitewater 15-5 18-5
4. Chicago 19-3 19-3
5. UW-La Crosse 17-5 18-5
6. Wisconsin Lutheran 19-3 20-3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 16, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
Post by: buf on February 16, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
Tonight's scores:
UWL holds off RF, 64-58
Point easily over UWP, 75-54
UWW over UWO, 65-58
EC over Sup, 74-62
UWL holds off RF, 64-58
Point easily over UWP, 75-54
UWW over UWO, 65-58
EC over Sup, 74-62
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 16, 2011, 10:45:17 PM
Post by: buf on February 16, 2011, 10:45:17 PM
Looks like if EC wins on Saturday, they get a 1st round home game in the conference tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 17, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 17, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
UWL gets a sloppy win on the road at River Falls. They played well in streaks, but will need to put a whole game together Saturday if they are going to challenge Point.
Danielle Frank struggled a bit offensively last night, but ended up with 6 points putting her over 1,000 points for her 2 school career.
Not an official record as it came at 2 schools, she becomes the first woman in WIAC or MIAC history to go for 1,000 pts, 1,000 boards, and 300 blocks in a career. Quite an impressive feat.
Hopefully UWL can keep riding this 6 game win streak for a couple more.
Danielle Frank struggled a bit offensively last night, but ended up with 6 points putting her over 1,000 points for her 2 school career.
Not an official record as it came at 2 schools, she becomes the first woman in WIAC or MIAC history to go for 1,000 pts, 1,000 boards, and 300 blocks in a career. Quite an impressive feat.
Hopefully UWL can keep riding this 6 game win streak for a couple more.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 17, 2011, 10:01:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 17, 2011, 10:01:38 AM
For the first eight minutes the WARHAWKS and Titans played a see saw game with seven lead changes and four ties. At the twelve minute mark Megan Theune hit a three pointer that gave the WARHAWKS a lead, 15-14, that they would not surrender. The basket triggered an 11-0 run which the WARHAWKS were able to built to a thirteen point lead twice in the half including 37-24 halftime score. The WARHAWKS sank five three point baskets and had five turnovers in the half to none and eleven for the Titans. Dana Thompson led the WARHAWKS 10 points and 9 rebounds. After Mary Merg's basket give the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the game, 43-28, the Titans got rolling and over the next nine and half minutes outscored the WARHAWKS 24-11 and reduced their deficit to a single basket 54-52. The WARHAWK lead stayed between 2-6 points after that until a pair of free throws by Merg created the final spread 65-58.
Thompson led all scorers with 25 points (7-12 from the floor and 11-13 from the free throw line) and had a game high 14 rebounds (10 offensive). Kaitlyn Thill and Chantel Burg also scored in double figures with 10 points each. Thill and Merg each had four steals. Merg's stat line read 9 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 0 turnovers in addition to the four steals.
Shelby Churchill and Becca Diedrich paced the Titans with 22 and 10 points respectively. Churchill also had 12 rebounds.
As a team the WARHAWKS had 22 offensive rebounds and had 70 shot attempts to just 51 for the Titans. Fourteen of the WARHAWKS 23 baskets were assisted and 13 of the Titans 19 turnovers were steals. The WARHAWKS outscored the Titans 17-10 off of turnovers, 25-15 on second chance points and off the bench 17-12.
Thompson led all scorers with 25 points (7-12 from the floor and 11-13 from the free throw line) and had a game high 14 rebounds (10 offensive). Kaitlyn Thill and Chantel Burg also scored in double figures with 10 points each. Thill and Merg each had four steals. Merg's stat line read 9 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 0 turnovers in addition to the four steals.
Shelby Churchill and Becca Diedrich paced the Titans with 22 and 10 points respectively. Churchill also had 12 rebounds.
As a team the WARHAWKS had 22 offensive rebounds and had 70 shot attempts to just 51 for the Titans. Fourteen of the WARHAWKS 23 baskets were assisted and 13 of the Titans 19 turnovers were steals. The WARHAWKS outscored the Titans 17-10 off of turnovers, 25-15 on second chance points and off the bench 17-12.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 17, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 17, 2011, 02:42:45 PM
Who should win this year's WIAC Player of the Year award?
Personally I think the strongest candidates are Hannah Mesick, Britta Pedersen, Dana Thompson and Danielle Frank. All of them have strong resumes and either would be a good choice.
My vote, if I had one, would go to Britta Pedersen. She has a strong statistical resume, is clearly the dominant force and leader of the conference championship team and, imo, is the player with the broadest skill set of the four. Not that you can't make strong arguments for any of the others I just like Pedersen's game better.
That said I'm also a homer and think it would be neat if Dana Thompson were selected. :D
Personally I think the strongest candidates are Hannah Mesick, Britta Pedersen, Dana Thompson and Danielle Frank. All of them have strong resumes and either would be a good choice.
My vote, if I had one, would go to Britta Pedersen. She has a strong statistical resume, is clearly the dominant force and leader of the conference championship team and, imo, is the player with the broadest skill set of the four. Not that you can't make strong arguments for any of the others I just like Pedersen's game better.
That said I'm also a homer and think it would be neat if Dana Thompson were selected. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 17, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 17, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
Strong Candidates. I would rule out Mesick just because of her teams record. Hard to give it to a player who's team is going to finish around .500. Thompson started out really strong but has been struggling with stats recently. I am not sure if it is because she is wearing down, teams are defending her differently, or she is having her minutes cut so she is fresh for postseason. Maybe she is doing more for Whitewater, but I am just going off stats.
Frank and Petersen are both worthy and I am going to give my pretend vote to Peterson because her team won conference outright.
Darkhorse pick: Andrea Flease. Leads the conference in assists and second in steals. She is a real sparkplug for that team and I always thought PG was the most important position in basketball.
Frank and Petersen are both worthy and I am going to give my pretend vote to Peterson because her team won conference outright.
Darkhorse pick: Andrea Flease. Leads the conference in assists and second in steals. She is a real sparkplug for that team and I always thought PG was the most important position in basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: intransitionfor3 on February 17, 2011, 04:29:06 PM
Post by: intransitionfor3 on February 17, 2011, 04:29:06 PM
warhawk - you don't even get a pretend vote until you learn how to spell her name. PETERSEN
see convo Nov 12. man.
see convo Nov 12. man.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 17, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 17, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
Danielle Frank and Hannah Mesick split my vote for MVP, which is different than the POY.
Britta Petersen will probably be the POY...
Britta Petersen will probably be the POY...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 17, 2011, 08:53:30 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 17, 2011, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 17, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
Danielle Frank and Hannah Mesick split my vote for MVP, which is different than the POY.
Britta Petersen will probably be the POY...
I fall in line with this thought process. Mesick is the most valuable player to her team. EC would be at the bottom of the conference without her.
Frank changes the way a game is played more than anyone in the conference and is by far the defensive player of the year.
That being said I have always thought that the "most outstanding player award" should go to the best player on the best team. This year it's easy to see that is Petersen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 18, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 18, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
I think a lot of it could depend on what happens in the last game and conference tournament. Obviously there's a whole season to look at, but this is when it becomes crunch time for some of the teams. I don't think you can go wrong over any of the 4, though I think it'd be difficult to give it to Mesick with her team around .500. Frank and Petersen have been game changers on their teams the whole year, and Thompson is no doubt a great player.
Here are the scenarios for the 2-seed and 1st round bye in the conference tourney:
UWL win over UWSP and they get the 2 seed.
UWW OR UWEC lose on Saturday and UWL gets the 2 seed.
UWL loss AND UWW win AND UWEC win and UWW gets the 2 seed.
Here are the scenarios for the 2-seed and 1st round bye in the conference tourney:
UWL win over UWSP and they get the 2 seed.
UWW OR UWEC lose on Saturday and UWL gets the 2 seed.
UWL loss AND UWW win AND UWEC win and UWW gets the 2 seed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2011, 09:47:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2011, 09:47:55 AM
Quote from: intransitionfor3 on February 17, 2011, 04:29:06 PM
warhawk - you don't even get a pretend vote until you learn how to spell her name. PETERSEN
see convo Nov 12. man.
Were you confused about who I meant?
At least I got the two t's in Britta. Which I thought was pretty good consider I have a daughter Brita.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 18, 2011, 05:49:14 PM
Post by: billys on February 18, 2011, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on February 18, 2011, 09:28:46 AM99.9% sure that the vote is conducted before any tournament games are played as it's a regular season award. So the resumes will be completed tomorrow.
I think a lot of it could depend on what happens in the last game and conference tournament. Obviously there's a whole season to look at, but this is when it becomes crunch time for some of the teams. I don't think you can go wrong over any of the 4, though I think it'd be difficult to give it to Mesick with her team around .500. Frank and Petersen have been game changers on their teams the whole year, and Thompson is no doubt a great player.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 19, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 19, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
Quote from: billys on February 18, 2011, 05:49:14 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on February 18, 2011, 09:28:46 AM99.9% sure that the vote is conducted before any tournament games are played as it's a regular season award. So the resumes will be completed tomorrow.
I think a lot of it could depend on what happens in the last game and conference tournament. Obviously there's a whole season to look at, but this is when it becomes crunch time for some of the teams. I don't think you can go wrong over any of the 4, though I think it'd be difficult to give it to Mesick with her team around .500. Frank and Petersen have been game changers on their teams the whole year, and Thompson is no doubt a great player.
Thought that could be the case, thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
EC wins over Stout in a thriller, 67-64. EC played very well in the 1st half and took a 41-29 lead into the lockerroom. However, Stout came out of the gates to cut their deficit in half a couple minutes into the half by pounding the offensive glass. Stout finally took the lead with 7 minutes to go. It went back and forth from there. With 32 seconds left, Stout went to the line up 1 to shoot two. They missed both and on the rebound committed a foul sending EC to the line. EC hit both to take a 1-point lead. Stout got sent to the line again with 16 seconds. They missed both again, sent EC back to the line, and EC hit both for a 3 point lead. Stout's 3 at the buzzer was blocked. Heartbreaking loss for Stout and hopefully a momentum builder for EC heading into the conference tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 08:35:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 08:35:13 PM
Point completes the undefeated conference season, downing UWL.
UWW comfortably over Superior.
As I type, RF has a 8 point lead over UWP at the half.
UWW comfortably over Superior.
As I type, RF has a 8 point lead over UWP at the half.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 10:16:41 PM
Post by: buf on February 19, 2011, 10:16:41 PM
It was the Ashley Wolf show in the 2nd half
UWP over RF, 71-64
UWP over RF, 71-64
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2011, 08:15:23 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 20, 2011, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: buf on February 19, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
EC wins over Stout in a thriller, 67-64. EC played very well in the 1st half and took a 41-29 lead into the lockerroom. However, Stout came out of the gates to cut their deficit in half a couple minutes into the half by pounding the offensive glass. Stout finally took the lead with 7 minutes to go. It went back and forth from there. With 32 seconds left, Stout went to the line up 1 to shoot two. They missed both and on the rebound committed a foul sending EC to the line. EC hit both to take a 1-point lead. Stout got sent to the line again with 16 seconds. They missed both again, sent EC back to the line, and EC hit both for a 3 point lead. Stout's 3 at the buzzer was blocked. Heartbreaking loss for Stout and hopefully a momentum builder for EC heading into the conference tourney.
It really was a thriller! I would have preferred a different ending - but I'm glad I was there to see it.
As Coach T has always done - all the Seniors started the game on Senior Day. No surprise that Tricia VanVreded started - that's normal. But Greta Layman, Brittany Gerber and Alisha Todd got their first and only starts of their Stout career. Alisha is a special story - she has been rehabbing a knee injury all season. Last night was the only time she put on a uniform all season - but she was out there with the team all season long. We were all hoping she'd be able to get a basket - but her lone shot - a 3 point attempt rimmed out. But with the score 0 - 6, she then got the assist for both Sami Shoeder's and Brittany Gerber's 3 pointers to tie the score.
3 minutes and 8 seconds - that was Alisha's playing time for the season.
It would have been easy for a 5 - 10 team to just lay down after the first half, trailing by 12. They weren't playing for anything.
But they wanted to win on Senior Day, and they almost pulled it off.
The team did go 3 of 4 to close out the season - almost 4 of 4. It took longer for this team to gel than I had hoped, but I think some of the youngsters learned over the course of the WIAC season. This season is over - hope Stout has a great recruiting class .... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2011, 10:43:17 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2011, 10:43:17 AM
Champ,
I've got a spot reserved right here on the UWSP bandwagon for the next month. I'll bee keeping it warm for you.
I've got a spot reserved right here on the UWSP bandwagon for the next month. I'll bee keeping it warm for you.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2011, 10:45:28 AM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2011, 10:45:28 AM
Champ
I also have to give some props to Stout. I caught a couple webcasts of their games early in the season and to be completly honest, they looked terrible. But they really came on in the 2nd half of the season, especially down the stretch. So much improvement. With so many younger players on the team I would think that they should at least get back to having a winning season next year.
I also have to give some props to Stout. I caught a couple webcasts of their games early in the season and to be completly honest, they looked terrible. But they really came on in the 2nd half of the season, especially down the stretch. So much improvement. With so many younger players on the team I would think that they should at least get back to having a winning season next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 20, 2011, 10:49:25 AM
Post by: buf on February 20, 2011, 10:49:25 AM
I'm not sure if this has been discussed on here (i dont think it has), but according to the WIAC site, the women's conference tournament takes place on Wed, Fri, Sun. I believe this is the first time that this has happened.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2011, 01:08:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2011, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: buf on February 20, 2011, 10:49:25 AMTrue. I think the reasoning was two-fold: No school will have to run a mid-week doubleheader in the event they are hosting both men's and women's games, and FSN can now cover both championship games with one TV crew.
I'm not sure if this has been discussed on here (i dont think it has), but according to the WIAC site, the women's conference tournament takes place on Wed, Fri, Sun. I believe this is the first time that this has happened.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 20, 2011, 01:55:30 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 20, 2011, 01:55:30 PM
JB,
I would also have to think money has something to do with it. DHs make less money than single games do. I have not seen one gym that charges double the price for a Saturday ticket compared to a Wednesday ticket.
After all, every single game last year during the WIAC tournament was a DH.
Looks like La Crosse let a golden opportunity slip away yesterday against Stevens Point. Would have been a big win in conference to give them a first round bye and a home game in the second round.
A loss gave them one more regional loss, meaning they will most likely have to win the tournament to make the NCAAs, an extra game in the conference tournament to a team that has depth issues, and most likely the task of winning two road games to make the NCAAs.
Looks like what everyone saying about not believing in La Crosse until they win a big game was true.
I would also have to think money has something to do with it. DHs make less money than single games do. I have not seen one gym that charges double the price for a Saturday ticket compared to a Wednesday ticket.
After all, every single game last year during the WIAC tournament was a DH.
Looks like La Crosse let a golden opportunity slip away yesterday against Stevens Point. Would have been a big win in conference to give them a first round bye and a home game in the second round.
A loss gave them one more regional loss, meaning they will most likely have to win the tournament to make the NCAAs, an extra game in the conference tournament to a team that has depth issues, and most likely the task of winning two road games to make the NCAAs.
Looks like what everyone saying about not believing in La Crosse until they win a big game was true.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
From the Stevens Point Journal police blotter today:
Damage to property: A 52-year-old Stevens Point woman reported Friday morning that someone had smashed a taco into the back door of her home in the 900 block of Third Street.
At first glance, I thought it was some Pointer fan, whooping it up after an undefeated run through the conference schedule. ;)
But then I saw it was reported on Friday morning, which means it might have been my old neighbor. Ha.
We shall see how the tournament shakes out... UWL hung with the Pointers for most of the game, but just didn't get it done. I think UWL has a big win in it yet this season, but the Eagles have to get by Oshkosh first on Wednesday...
Credit Point yesterday, who has big-time experience in big games. (UWSP becomes the 6th team to run the table in WIAC play, which is a credit to this team, seeings Point's had quite a few good ones under Shirley Egner's tenure... It also says how tough this conference is, too.)
I'm not sure who will win the POY, but I did single out Britta Petersen, who overall may not have the stats to match other individual candidates.... But Point plays well as a team, does the little things well, and as a team leads most of the team stats... And, of course, in Ws...
Will be interested to see how my UWEC Blugolds do on Wednesday against UWRF, and which one shows up? They split the season series, each team winning on the road... Blugolds have not defended the home court this season, 5-5, as well as in seasons past...
Damage to property: A 52-year-old Stevens Point woman reported Friday morning that someone had smashed a taco into the back door of her home in the 900 block of Third Street.
At first glance, I thought it was some Pointer fan, whooping it up after an undefeated run through the conference schedule. ;)
But then I saw it was reported on Friday morning, which means it might have been my old neighbor. Ha.
We shall see how the tournament shakes out... UWL hung with the Pointers for most of the game, but just didn't get it done. I think UWL has a big win in it yet this season, but the Eagles have to get by Oshkosh first on Wednesday...
Credit Point yesterday, who has big-time experience in big games. (UWSP becomes the 6th team to run the table in WIAC play, which is a credit to this team, seeings Point's had quite a few good ones under Shirley Egner's tenure... It also says how tough this conference is, too.)
I'm not sure who will win the POY, but I did single out Britta Petersen, who overall may not have the stats to match other individual candidates.... But Point plays well as a team, does the little things well, and as a team leads most of the team stats... And, of course, in Ws...
Will be interested to see how my UWEC Blugolds do on Wednesday against UWRF, and which one shows up? They split the season series, each team winning on the road... Blugolds have not defended the home court this season, 5-5, as well as in seasons past...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 20, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 20, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
Tough game for UWL yesterday. They started out very slow, but then put a stop to any offense the pointers threw at them for a period of about 10 minutes in the 1st half. The problem was they didn't take advantage of the solid defense and rebounding as they also struggled to score points.
UWL beat themselves with too many unforced errors and turnovers, but give point credit for taking care of business. When they get their offensive motion going it is tough to stop and fun to watch.
This UWL team wants another shot at Point more than anything. It's going to be a tough road to get there, but if they can the game a week from today is going to be a great one.
I'll bite my tongue on any comments regarding the Pointer coach.
UWL beat themselves with too many unforced errors and turnovers, but give point credit for taking care of business. When they get their offensive motion going it is tough to stop and fun to watch.
This UWL team wants another shot at Point more than anything. It's going to be a tough road to get there, but if they can the game a week from today is going to be a great one.
I'll bite my tongue on any comments regarding the Pointer coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 20, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 20, 2011, 05:02:03 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 20, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
I'll bite my tongue on any comments regarding the Pointer coach.
Clarify that remark, please!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
Both teams started slowly with the Yellow Jackets on top 9-7 after five and half minutes had been played. A layup by Mary Merg gave the WARHAWKS their first lead 13-11 at the 11:59 mark and they would never trail again. A 11-2 gave the WARHAWKS a 39-21 lead and they led 49-31 at the half. The lead only grew in the second half reaching a high of 34 points twice before Superior cut into it against the WARHAWKS reserves and the game finished 87-64. The WARHAWKS used seventeen players in the game and twelve of them scored points.
Dana Thompson finished with a game high 23 points (10-13 from the floor). Megan Theune and Merg each finished with 12 points. Melissa Olsen's stat line read 5 points, game highs of 12 rebounds, 6 assists and a pair of steals. The WARHAWKS outscored Superior 21-3 off of turnovers, 22-14 in the paint and 22-5 off the bench.
Hailey Hart had 16 points to lead Superior. Bri Davis added 14 and Kelsey Thingvold 12.
The WARHAWKS took care of their business and got some help from Point and Eau Claire to secure the #2 seed, a bye and home court on Friday.
Dana Thompson finished with a game high 23 points (10-13 from the floor). Megan Theune and Merg each finished with 12 points. Melissa Olsen's stat line read 5 points, game highs of 12 rebounds, 6 assists and a pair of steals. The WARHAWKS outscored Superior 21-3 off of turnovers, 22-14 in the paint and 22-5 off the bench.
Hailey Hart had 16 points to lead Superior. Bri Davis added 14 and Kelsey Thingvold 12.
The WARHAWKS took care of their business and got some help from Point and Eau Claire to secure the #2 seed, a bye and home court on Friday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 20, 2011, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: BanditUWSP on February 20, 2011, 05:02:03 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on February 20, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
I'll bite my tongue on any comments regarding the Pointer coach.
Clarify that remark, please!
I'll jump in on this one. When i first covered Stout games I found myself disliking the way that Coach Enger carried herself on the sidelines. After years of watching her coach, talking to former players about their opinion of her, interviewing her on our radio show several times, and just seeing how her program runs, I can now say that there is no coach in the conference that I respect more.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 21, 2011, 09:09:22 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 21, 2011, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 20, 2011, 11:01:02 PMQuote from: BanditUWSP on February 20, 2011, 05:02:03 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on February 20, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
I'll bite my tongue on any comments regarding the Pointer coach.
Clarify that remark, please!
I'll jump in on this one. When i first covered Stout games I found myself disliking the way that Coach Enger carried herself on the sidelines. After years of watching her coach, talking to former players about their opinion of her, interviewing her on our radio show several times, and just seeing how her program runs, I can now say that there is no coach in the conference that I respect more.
I don't doubt her coaching ability, and while I don't like the way she carries herself on the sidelines, I can't say I would act any differently. I try not to harp too much on anyone's coaching style. However, I don't know that that was where the comment was pointed towards. Moving on.
On the playoffs: UWL needs to focus on Oshkosh Wednesday. Oshkosh has played them tough this year, and UWL will have to take care of business (and don't turn over the ball) to win a game they definitely should win. As far as having to play on the road if they do win, they have played great on the road all year, so it may not be as big of a bummer as it seems.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 21, 2011, 10:08:55 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 21, 2011, 10:08:55 AM
Quote from: stoutguy on February 20, 2011, 11:01:02 PMQuote from: BanditUWSP on February 20, 2011, 05:02:03 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on February 20, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
I'll bite my tongue on any comments regarding the Pointer coach.
Clarify that remark, please!
I'll jump in on this one. When i first covered Stout games I found myself disliking the way that Coach Enger carried herself on the sidelines. After years of watching her coach, talking to former players about their opinion of her, interviewing her on our radio show several times, and just seeing how her program runs, I can now say that there is no coach in the conference that I respect more.
Appreciate the comment from someone with much more knowledge of the conference than myself. I'll take your word for it.
Looking forward to the games this week. Would be nice to see someone other than Point win the tourney so this conference gets a few teams in the national tourney.
As it stands now I would say UWL is on the outside looking in and WW is in with a good showing in the semifinals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2011, 11:07:16 AM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2011, 11:07:16 AM
Playoff scenerios:
EC over RF
LAX over OSH
SP over EC
WW over LAX
SP over WW
or
RF over EC
LAX over OSH
WW over LAX
SP over RF
SP over WW
One note , SP is due to lose a game. Could EC beat SP? Only if they limit tirnovers to 8; shoot 40%; and play no 3 pt. defense. As the season shows, not likely. Otherwise I don't know wo can beat SP. Only say EC becasue of hieght.
EC over RF
LAX over OSH
SP over EC
WW over LAX
SP over WW
or
RF over EC
LAX over OSH
WW over LAX
SP over RF
SP over WW
One note , SP is due to lose a game. Could EC beat SP? Only if they limit tirnovers to 8; shoot 40%; and play no 3 pt. defense. As the season shows, not likely. Otherwise I don't know wo can beat SP. Only say EC becasue of hieght.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 11:40:41 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 11:40:41 AM
I like to live by its hard to beat a team three times in one year argument.
OSH over LAX
EC over RF
OSH over SP
EC over WW
EC over OSH
EC, WW, and SP in the tournament!
Now I doubt this as a whole is going to happen, but it is an option!
OSH over LAX
EC over RF
OSH over SP
EC over WW
EC over OSH
EC, WW, and SP in the tournament!
Now I doubt this as a whole is going to happen, but it is an option!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2011, 12:00:33 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2011, 12:00:33 PM
I think WW and Stevens Point are in the post season regardless of what happens in the conference tournament. LaCrosse may have to win their first conference tournament game to get in but I like their chances of getting in regardless. Eau Claire will have to win the automatic bid to get into the post season. A loss in the conference tournament would give them 11 losses on the sesaon and that would be a tough sell.
I don't see Oshkosh advancing to the conference tournament championship game. In fact I don't see them beating LaCrosse in the first round.
I don't see Oshkosh advancing to the conference tournament championship game. In fact I don't see them beating LaCrosse in the first round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 21, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
I think SP is in. LAX needs to make it to the Championship game to have a chance. They have very good wins, but would have 7 regional losses. That is right there on that bubble.
Whitewater should be in good shape. Even with a second round loss they would be 20-6 overall. They beat Calvin, George Fox, and Illionois Wesleyan out of conference. I will say this though, if they do not get in, they can look back to November 20th as the reason why. I don't want to downgrade Wisconsin Lutheran, but there was no way Whitewater should have lost that game.
And the comment about hard to beat a team three times in a year was more a joke than anything. There is a reason a team wins twice during the regular season.
Whitewater should be in good shape. Even with a second round loss they would be 20-6 overall. They beat Calvin, George Fox, and Illionois Wesleyan out of conference. I will say this though, if they do not get in, they can look back to November 20th as the reason why. I don't want to downgrade Wisconsin Lutheran, but there was no way Whitewater should have lost that game.
And the comment about hard to beat a team three times in a year was more a joke than anything. There is a reason a team wins twice during the regular season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
EC could have a problem with RF. Can't figure out why but for the last few games play well in first half and bust in the second. If they were to beat RF, I think if anyone could take SP, it would be EC. I don't see it because they just can' put an outstanding game together.
Can LAX beat WW?
Can WW beat SP?
Can LAX beat WW?
Can WW beat SP?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2011, 09:47:51 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 22, 2011, 09:47:51 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 21, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
EC could have a problem with RF. Can't figure out why but for the last few games play well in first half and bust in the second. If they were to beat RF, I think if anyone could take SP, it would be EC. I don't see it because they just can' put an outstanding game together.
Can LAX beat WW?
Can WW beat SP?
Yes and Yes. LAX, WW, and UWEC all have the ability to beat UWSP. I'm not saying they will, but each team has the players to win that game.
I do think it's difficult to beat a good team 3 times in a year. UWEC, UWW, and UWL all fall into that category for UWSP. Again, not saying they will, but it wouldn't be a shock to me.
But, UWL and UWEC need to prove they are ready for the playoffs by taking care of business on Wednesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 23, 2011, 03:23:42 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 23, 2011, 03:23:42 PM
Not sure if it received any ink yet, but its Churchill vs. Churchill tonight. One will end the other's season and most likely career. I have a feeling it is going to be emotional in La Crosse to night.
I couldn't imagine being their parents.
I couldn't imagine being their parents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2011, 06:16:01 PM
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2011, 06:16:01 PM
predictions for WEDS
LAX 58-47 over OSH - no problems here at all for LAX
RF 47 - 41 over EC (ouch!) I just expect EC to do what they have done all year - Turn overs)
LAX 58-47 over OSH - no problems here at all for LAX
RF 47 - 41 over EC (ouch!) I just expect EC to do what they have done all year - Turn overs)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
Central Regional Rankings
1. Illinois Wesleyan 17-3 20-4
2. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 23-2 23-2
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 17-5 20-5
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 18-6 19-6
5. Chicago 21-3 21-3
6. Washington U. St. Louis 17-3 20-4
A bit surprised that both UWW and UWL are ahead of Chicago & Wash U, both from the strong UAA conference. I guess that head to head win for UWL over Chicago is carrying a lot of weight.
1. Illinois Wesleyan 17-3 20-4
2. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 23-2 23-2
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 17-5 20-5
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 18-6 19-6
5. Chicago 21-3 21-3
6. Washington U. St. Louis 17-3 20-4
A bit surprised that both UWW and UWL are ahead of Chicago & Wash U, both from the strong UAA conference. I guess that head to head win for UWL over Chicago is carrying a lot of weight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:33:20 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:33:20 PM
Score updates:
RF creaming UWEC , 27-,8 with 5:30 left 1st half. UWEC has 1 FG and 10 turnovers.
LAX up 24-22 over UWO with 4min to go 1st half
RF creaming UWEC , 27-,8 with 5:30 left 1st half. UWEC has 1 FG and 10 turnovers.
LAX up 24-22 over UWO with 4min to go 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:46:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:46:22 PM
Halftime scores:
RF 32 EC 13. EC got its 2nd basket of the game with :30 left in the half.
UWL 35 UWO 26. Strong end to the 1st half by UWL. Frank already with a double-double
RF 32 EC 13. EC got its 2nd basket of the game with :30 left in the half.
UWL 35 UWO 26. Strong end to the 1st half by UWL. Frank already with a double-double
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
Some stats from the 1st half of the EC-RF game:
Shooting:
RF 12-30, 40%
EC 2-15, 13%
Rebounding:
RF 24
EC 11
Turnovers:
RF 7
EC 12
RF is absolutely thrashing EC right now.
Shooting:
RF 12-30, 40%
EC 2-15, 13%
Rebounding:
RF 24
EC 11
Turnovers:
RF 7
EC 12
RF is absolutely thrashing EC right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
buf
Looks like a tough nite for the fans of the blue and gold.
The second half has been pretty even, but it doesn't mean much when you were down by 19 at the half.
Not the way your seniors wanted to end their careers.
Looks like a tough nite for the fans of the blue and gold.
The second half has been pretty even, but it doesn't mean much when you were down by 19 at the half.
Not the way your seniors wanted to end their careers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 23, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
Final scores....
UWL 69 - UWO 57
UWRF 66 - UWEC 44
UWL 69 - UWO 57
UWRF 66 - UWEC 44
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:46:57 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:46:57 PM
RF easily over EC, 66-44
UWL stats are frozen with them leading, 49-38, over UWO with 11 min left
UWL stats are frozen with them leading, 49-38, over UWO with 11 min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:47:39 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:47:39 PM
Thanks for the UWL score Champ!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Would love any insight into the blugolds year. Agree, not very good. They had alot going in the beginning and did good over the winter break. But man, did they go in the tank. Is it chemsitry, alot of folks say they are just plain slow to move and slow to shoot. Any insights. This team as had little heart for many many games. Problem is the same folks minus Messick are back next year. I expect the same results next year, little heart, slow off the ball and as is the case all year - more turnovers. Maybe RF can keep it together for point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:53:08 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: The Champ on February 23, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
buf
Looks like a tough nite for the fans of the blue and gold.
The second half has been pretty even, but it doesn't mean much when you were down by 19 at the half.
Not the way your seniors wanted to end their careers.
Yes, it was a tough way to end the season, but kind of summed the season for the Golds. Just not good play at home. Against conference foes, I believe they were 3-6 at home and 6-2 on the road. Records you just don't see very often in this conference.
EC loses just Mesick. But this is a big loss especially for post scoring and rebounding. Englund will have to have a good recruiting class next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 23, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 23, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
UWL never lost the lead in the second half. For the most part it was a double digit lead, though UW Oskosh got to within 6 with about 2:30 left in the game. From there the Oskosh Churchill fouled out on a pretty bogus call and UWL held their lead til the end.
Radio announcer said Frank ended with 18 pts 19 boards and 8 blocks. Don't know the rest of the stats because they're frozen, but the UWL Churchill played well also.
Side note: I really liked the Oskosh announcer, he had a couple points of inaccuracy, which you're going to have when you're covering a team you see once or twice a year at most, but he had a really good play by play overall, especially compared to some of the radio teams you listen to in D3.
Radio announcer said Frank ended with 18 pts 19 boards and 8 blocks. Don't know the rest of the stats because they're frozen, but the UWL Churchill played well also.
Side note: I really liked the Oskosh announcer, he had a couple points of inaccuracy, which you're going to have when you're covering a team you see once or twice a year at most, but he had a really good play by play overall, especially compared to some of the radio teams you listen to in D3.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 23, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Would love any insight into the blugolds year. Agree, not very good. They had alot going in the beginning and did good over the winter break. But man, did they go in the tank. Is it chemsitry, alot of folks say they are just plain slow to move and slow to shoot. Any insights. This team as had little heart for many many games. Problem is the same folks minus Messick are back next year. I expect the same results next year, little heart, slow off the ball and as is the case all year - more turnovers. Maybe RF can keep it together for point.
I don't agree with you about "heart". I never noticed any players sluffing off. It looked to me like the effort level was good.
Now I will agree with you about the "slow" part. I think Englund does need to recruit better "athletic" players like Witt, Heidi A, & Fremstad. It was just so difficult for EC to play person-person defense due to their lack of speed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 24, 2011, 01:57:13 AM
Post by: UWRF on February 24, 2011, 01:57:13 AM
UWEC had 2 FGs in the first half. Mesick didnt have a FG the games first 30 mins.
Falcons played the best they have all season. If they play that way against Stevens Point I think they have a shot.
I thought that RF was gonna have to weather a comeback at some point in the second half, but every time it seemed the had momentum swung to EC the Falcons responded.
Falcons played the best they have all season. If they play that way against Stevens Point I think they have a shot.
I thought that RF was gonna have to weather a comeback at some point in the second half, but every time it seemed the had momentum swung to EC the Falcons responded.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 24, 2011, 07:16:00 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 23, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Would love any insight into the blugolds year. Agree, not very good. They had alot going in the beginning and did good over the winter break. But man, did they go in the tank. Is it chemsitry, alot of folks say they are just plain slow to move and slow to shoot. Any insights. This team as had little heart for many many games. Problem is the same folks minus Messick are back next year. I expect the same results next year, little heart, slow off the ball and as is the case all year - more turnovers. Maybe RF can keep it together for point.
Turnovers are never a good thing - but that wasn't the biggest probelm in this game. It was the shooting - and not just the accuracy - and the rebounding.
The game was pretty much decided in the first half.
Even with a decent shooting percentage, 15 shots from the field makes it really tough to stay in contention. In the first half, 9 of 13 points were scored at the FT line - only 4 points from the field. Rebounds - 11 for EC, 24 for River. River had 30 shots and only shot 40% from the field, but held a 19 point lead as a result of shooting twice as many shots and having twice as many rebounds. A very interesting stat on the boards - ZERO offensive rebounds for EC in the first half - no second chance shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
Oshkosh makes five more baskets than LaCrosse and makes as many three point shots at the Eagles. But LaCrosse shoots 30 free throws making 24 and Oshkosh goes 6 of 9 from the line. Churchill alone makes more free throws than the Titans attempted and the Eagles had made more free throws in the first half than the Titans shot for the game. The foul count was 25 to 11.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2011, 10:47:16 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 24, 2011, 10:47:16 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
Oshkosh makes five more baskets than LaCrosse and makes as many three point shots at the Eagles. But LaCrosse shoots 30 free throws making 24 and Oshkosh goes 6 of 9 from the line. Churchill alone makes more free throws than the Titans attempted and the Eagles had made more free throws in the first half than the Titans shot for the game. The foul count was 25 to 11.
The Eagles had a very simple game plan last night. Pound the ball inside. Whether it was Frank, Churchill, Robinson, or even Litrenta driving the message was simple. Oshkosh was overmatched inside and UWL wanted to take advantage of that.
That being said they did a great job of that, but the game still ended up being a little closer than i think Heeren was hoping for. Transition defense was a weak link last night for UWL as most of Oshkosh's points came during the fast break. With how quick their guards were I was surprised they didn't push it even more to take advantage of UWL being slow getting back on defense.
Looking forward to the matchup tomorrow night. Eagles will need to frustrate WW with tough defense early and often if they are going to have a shot at this one. 24 for 30 from the line again would help their chances too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Has Frank committed a foul all season? I didn't get to see last nights game, but saw the 2 earlier games. Congrats and thank yous to the Oshkosh seniors for a great 4 years (3 for Churchill).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 24, 2011, 11:40:14 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 24, 2011, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 24, 2011, 10:47:16 AM
That being said they did a great job of that, but the game still ended up being a little closer than i think Heeren was hoping for.
I will second this. Their starters averaged 32 minutes last night. With a team with limited depth and needing 3 wins in 5 days, I am thinking that Heeren wanted to get them some rest during this game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
Post by: deiscanton on February 24, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: buf on February 23, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
Central Regional Rankings
1. Illinois Wesleyan 17-3 20-4
2. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 23-2 23-2
3. Wisconsin-Whitewater 17-5 20-5
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 18-6 19-6
5. Chicago 21-3 21-3
6. Washington U. St. Louis 17-3 20-4
A bit surprised that both UWW and UWL are ahead of Chicago & Wash U, both from the strong UAA conference. I guess that head to head win for UWL over Chicago is carrying a lot of weight.
UWW beating Illinois Wesleyan head-to-head is also carrying a lot of weight as well-- neither Chicago nor Wash U were able to defeat Illinois Wesleyan back in November.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Has Frank committed a foul all season? I didn't get to see last nights game, but saw the 2 earlier games. Congrats and thank yous to the Oshkosh seniors for a great 4 years (3 for Churchill).
I don't believe she's fouled out of any games, and for the most part she's stayed out of any kind of foul trouble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 24, 2011, 02:38:49 PM
Post by: billys on February 24, 2011, 02:38:49 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PMI might be wrong but I believe the insinuation was that she has gotten the benefit of the doubt from officials and should be called for fouls. Maybe not ... but that's how I took it.Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Has Frank committed a foul all season? I didn't get to see last nights game, but saw the 2 earlier games. Congrats and thank yous to the Oshkosh seniors for a great 4 years (3 for Churchill).
I don't believe she's fouled out of any games, and for the most part she's stayed out of any kind of foul trouble.
If so that seems weird cause I've always felt like kids, especially tall females, are punished by officials more often then not for being tall. Over the back calls especially where there is little to no contact but a tall girl reaches over the top and the crowd yells and the whistle blows.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 03:29:12 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: billys on February 24, 2011, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PMI might be wrong but I believe the insinuation was that she has gotten the benefit of the doubt from officials and should be called for fouls. Maybe not ... but that's how I took it.Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Has Frank committed a foul all season? I didn't get to see last nights game, but saw the 2 earlier games. Congrats and thank yous to the Oshkosh seniors for a great 4 years (3 for Churchill).
I don't believe she's fouled out of any games, and for the most part she's stayed out of any kind of foul trouble.
If so that seems weird cause I've always felt like kids, especially tall females, are punished by officials more often then not for being tall. Over the back calls especially where there is little to no contact but a tall girl reaches over the top and the crowd yells and the whistle blows.
I thought it might be that too, but I was going to leave that be. :) Two things I think you see with tall players:
1) If they're wise enough to know when to go for the block or rebound and when to just adjust a shot or leave the rebound be, they're not going to have many more opportunities to foul.
2) Even if they get a no-call on a blocked shot, they pay for it inside. If you watched the UWSP game, the SP players had their elbows pushing Frank in the back the entire game. I'd say in an average physicality conference, this should be called a foul early to get the defense in line, but the WIAC is an extremely physical conference and that's just not going to get called, along with a lot of other physical play inside.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 03:29:57 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2011, 03:29:57 PM
Frank has not fouled out of a game this year. She's averaged only slightly over two fouls per contest, 54 in 26 games, on the season. That's consistant with the team though as only two players have fouled out of a game, Churchill and Litrenta, and each of them has only fouled out once.
That's actually the fewest in the conference.
EauClaire: 9
Oshkosh: 6
Platteville: 7
River Falls: 11
Stevens Point: 3
Stout: 6
Superior: 6
Whitewater: 10
That's actually the fewest in the conference.
EauClaire: 9
Oshkosh: 6
Platteville: 7
River Falls: 11
Stevens Point: 3
Stout: 6
Superior: 6
Whitewater: 10
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
Do agree that EC needs a more athletic approach. I think that is the key to SP being always in there.
I do think RF played great and showed mucho athletism. Maybe I confuse eart and athletism.
Anyhow, a little gum about EC for next year - no quickness.
Maybe will venture to point to watch RF and SP. Could be interesting.
I'm pulling for LAX.
I do think RF played great and showed mucho athletism. Maybe I confuse eart and athletism.
Anyhow, a little gum about EC for next year - no quickness.
Maybe will venture to point to watch RF and SP. Could be interesting.
I'm pulling for LAX.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 25, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
Post by: billys on February 25, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 03:29:12 PMI forgot to mention that part. I completely agree. Big kids take a beating underneath partially because they can absorb a lot of contact without it looking like they're being hit. I always though Dana Thompson got the worst of this; Kelsey Duoss, Abby Johnson, Brittany Herrick were some others. Big strong kids who had other posts shoving them around but because they were so strong they wouldn't get moved. I know nobody feels sorry for a guy like Shaq but he's taking that pounding for years.Quote from: billys on February 24, 2011, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on February 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PMI might be wrong but I believe the insinuation was that she has gotten the benefit of the doubt from officials and should be called for fouls. Maybe not ... but that's how I took it.Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 24, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Has Frank committed a foul all season? I didn't get to see last nights game, but saw the 2 earlier games. Congrats and thank yous to the Oshkosh seniors for a great 4 years (3 for Churchill).
I don't believe she's fouled out of any games, and for the most part she's stayed out of any kind of foul trouble.
If so that seems weird cause I've always felt like kids, especially tall females, are punished by officials more often then not for being tall. Over the back calls especially where there is little to no contact but a tall girl reaches over the top and the crowd yells and the whistle blows.
I thought it might be that too, but I was going to leave that be. :) Two things I think you see with tall players:
1) If they're wise enough to know when to go for the block or rebound and when to just adjust a shot or leave the rebound be, they're not going to have many more opportunities to foul.
2) Even if they get a no-call on a blocked shot, they pay for it inside. If you watched the UWSP game, the SP players had their elbows pushing Frank in the back the entire game. I'd say in an average physicality conference, this should be called a foul early to get the defense in line, but the WIAC is an extremely physical conference and that's just not going to get called, along with a lot of other physical play inside.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2011, 01:42:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2011, 01:42:44 PM
An interesting article on the WARHAWKS Dana Thompson....http://host.madison.com/sports/college/state-and-regional/whitewater/article_84d7997c-408e-11e0-81e9-001cc4c002e0.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Becker on February 25, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
Post by: Becker on February 25, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
I'm new here but had to respond to what Billy said about Dana Thompson. I've only seen her play a couple of times but you can tell she's constantly looking for calls. She's the exact opposite of what he said, she looks like she's getting hit when she's not. And the stats back up what I am saying, she's shot 186 free throws and after Mesick with 166 no one else is even close. She'll release the ball low into her defender's arms, flail her own arms, get that grimace on her face, and more times than not she get the ref's to give the call. By contrast, Frank has only shot 77 free throws on about the same number of shots (actually more, 251-237). It should be an interesting matchup tonight, wish I could be there to watch it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 25, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 25, 2011, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: Becker on February 25, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
I'm new here but had to respond to what Billy said about Dana Thompson. I've only seen her play a couple of times but you can tell she's constantly looking for calls. She's the exact opposite of what he said, she looks like she's getting hit when she's not. And the stats back up what I am saying, she's shot 186 free throws and after Mesick with 166 no one else is even close. She'll release the ball low into her defender's arms, flail her own arms, get that grimace on her face, and more times than not she get the ref's to give the call. By contrast, Frank has only shot 77 free throws on about the same number of shots (actually more, 251-237). It should be an interesting matchup tonight, wish I could be there to watch it.
Meh, if a player is cunning enough to get those calls, more power to her. I hate it when players are whining to the refs, but I can't say I've noticed that from Thompson.
Also, the play of Frank is more keeping the ball above her head and making moves that don't give the other player a chance to affect the shot. They can't reach the ball so they're either trying to hit the elbow or pushing her inside if they're going to foul her. Frank draws her fair share of fouls (9 on Wednesday night I think), but they're more likely to occur before the shot. My guess is Thompson, with her body frame being shorter, is making more moves that are going into the players and trying to draw that contact (I'm guessing based on limited time actually seeing her play).
Looking forward to the game tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 25, 2011, 06:08:11 PM
Post by: billys on February 25, 2011, 06:08:11 PM
Quote from: Becker on February 25, 2011, 02:49:40 PMFirst of all I'm talking about everything that happens before the ball is touched.
I'm new here but had to respond to what Billy said about Dana Thompson. I've only seen her play a couple of times but you can tell she's constantly looking for calls. She's the exact opposite of what he said, she looks like she's getting hit when she's not. And the stats back up what I am saying, she's shot 186 free throws and after Mesick with 166 no one else is even close. She'll release the ball low into her defender's arms, flail her own arms, get that grimace on her face, and more times than not she get the ref's to give the call. By contrast, Frank has only shot 77 free throws on about the same number of shots (actually more, 251-237). It should be an interesting matchup tonight, wish I could be there to watch it.
But secondly, if you're able to draw fouls, you're able to draw fouls ... especially when height-wise you're a bit undersized. That's just good basketball and getting to the free throw line is as much a skill just like shooting and ball-handling are skills.
I have not noticed her whining her complaining for calls. Trying to sell calls and complaining are two different things and I have not seen that.
As WaSK said, Frank plays with the ball much higher and it's much easier to see her action.
My initial comment stemmed from saying I'm surprised Frank doesn't get called for more fouls cause I believe kids are often punished for being tall.
Good luck all four teams tonight. Should be interesting in WW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Post by: UWRF on February 25, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Halftime Semi-final Scores:
Stevens Point 39, River Falls 27. UWSP shooting a blistering 62% from the field
La Crosse 30, Whitewater 29. UWL's Danielle Frank has 6 and 9 at the half
Stevens Point 39, River Falls 27. UWSP shooting a blistering 62% from the field
La Crosse 30, Whitewater 29. UWL's Danielle Frank has 6 and 9 at the half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 25, 2011, 08:56:23 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 25, 2011, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: UWRF on February 25, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Halftime Semi-final Scores:
Stevens Point 39, River Falls 27. UWSP shooting a blistering 62% from the field
La Crosse 30, Whitewater 29. UWL's Danielle Frank has 6 and 9 at the half
Exciting game in WW. Lax needs to bust through UWW's press if they're gonna finish this one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 25, 2011, 10:36:20 PM
Post by: buf on February 25, 2011, 10:36:20 PM
Point & UWW win
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2011, 02:24:57 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2011, 02:24:57 AM
Nobody in this league ever got it hit harder or more often than Amanda Nechuta. The thing was she was stronger than virtually every kid she played against so often those hits would bounce off and she wouldn't get the calls. Nechuta of course dished out as many as she took. Sometimes it seemed like she started the game with 2 fouls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
With the WARHAWKS holding a 3-2 lead after a little more than three minutes had been played LaCrosse ran off seven straight and held the lead until Chantel Burg made a jumper to tie the game 11-11 with about ten and half minutes remaining in the half. The Eagles regained the lead and got it to six points, 20-14, before the WARHAWKS ran off seven straight to make it 21-20 with five minutes to go. After that the lead exchanged hands until the Eagles led by three, 30-27, with seconds remaining when Burg got a rebound, drove the length of the floor, and was fouled. She made both free throws and the half ended with the Eagles on top 30-29. The WARHAWKS scored first in the second half on a basket by Kaitlyn Thill and with the exception of one tie, 36-36, at 17:11 maintained a lead for the entire half. After it had grown to ten points with eight minutes remaining LaCrosse would get no closer than six points the rest of the way. The WARHAWKS made 12 of 14 free throws in the final two minutes to finish up by twelve 71-59.
Burg finished with a game high 18 points. After playing only six minutes in the first half Dana Thompson played eighteen of the final twenty and finished with 15 points. The WARHAWKS out rebounded the Eagles 44-30 with Thompson and Burg pulling down 9 apiece. Kaitlyn Thill had 9 points and a game high 5 assists. Emily Bestor and Jamie Swanson came off the bench and each had a game high 3 steals. The WARHAWKS dominated points in the paint, 32-20, and points off the bench 33-6.
After scoring six points in the first half Frank was held to a single basket in the second one. She did have a game high 14 rebounds. Dana Churchill (17) and Melissa Lang (10) led the Eagles.
It was a bit sloppy as the two teams combined for 46 turnovers (23 apiece) though the frantic pace at which it was played undoubtedly contributed.
FWIW I have to disagree about Thompson. She should shoot more free throws than she does. With the exception of free throws her entire game is played within six feet of the basket. The idea that she "looks like she is getting fouled when she isn't" is absurd. The stats back up the fact she gets to the line a lot they do not however back up that she's not getting fouled. She gets the call because she's getting fouled and doesn't get the refs to give her the call anywhere near as often as they could.
Burg finished with a game high 18 points. After playing only six minutes in the first half Dana Thompson played eighteen of the final twenty and finished with 15 points. The WARHAWKS out rebounded the Eagles 44-30 with Thompson and Burg pulling down 9 apiece. Kaitlyn Thill had 9 points and a game high 5 assists. Emily Bestor and Jamie Swanson came off the bench and each had a game high 3 steals. The WARHAWKS dominated points in the paint, 32-20, and points off the bench 33-6.
After scoring six points in the first half Frank was held to a single basket in the second one. She did have a game high 14 rebounds. Dana Churchill (17) and Melissa Lang (10) led the Eagles.
It was a bit sloppy as the two teams combined for 46 turnovers (23 apiece) though the frantic pace at which it was played undoubtedly contributed.
FWIW I have to disagree about Thompson. She should shoot more free throws than she does. With the exception of free throws her entire game is played within six feet of the basket. The idea that she "looks like she is getting fouled when she isn't" is absurd. The stats back up the fact she gets to the line a lot they do not however back up that she's not getting fouled. She gets the call because she's getting fouled and doesn't get the refs to give her the call anywhere near as often as they could.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 26, 2011, 10:26:14 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 26, 2011, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
FWIW I have to disagree about Thompson. She should shoot more free throws than she does. With the exception of free throws her entire game is played within six feet of the basket. The idea that she "looks like she is getting fouled when she isn't" is absurd. The stats back up the fact she gets to the line a lot they do not however back up that she's not getting fouled. She gets the call because she's getting fouled and doesn't get the refs to give her the call anywhere near as often as they could.
FWIW I think you are way off base on this one. I don't think it's a bad thing that Thompson once in a while flops to get a call. Players that are as smart & aggressive as she is know how to draw contact and will attack the same way repeatedly because they know the odds of getting the defender to commit a foul are great. Once in a while a defender will back off and she won't get the contact she was expecting hence creating a situation where she goes up flailing.
Again, not saying there's anything wrong with this practice, but to say it doesn't happen at least 1 out of 10 drives to the basket just doesn't add up.
To the game last night. I thought Chantel Burg would be the difference and the stats seem to show that was part of the case. She has killed the Eagles during her career and is an extremely tough player to defend. WW has a great combination with her and Thompson.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
You're certainly entitled to your own opinion. I've seen every home game and several road games that Thompson has played in her career and I think I've got a pretty good handle on it. Obviously some will disagree as is their option. I'm not saying that there aren't times when she doesn't get contact she is expecting but they're outweighed by the times she is fouled and doesn't get the call. We'll just have to agree to disagree in this matter.
Burg played well last night. Another player who doesn't show up in the stats so much but played very well in the minutes she got was Emily Bestor.
Despite the loss last night I still think LaCrosse will make the post season.
Burg played well last night. Another player who doesn't show up in the stats so much but played very well in the minutes she got was Emily Bestor.
Despite the loss last night I still think LaCrosse will make the post season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: TellItLikeItis on February 26, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
Post by: TellItLikeItis on February 26, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
Koodo's to Becker, she gets it...WithasilentK, figure it out! Basketball used to be finess game and now your part of the biggest issue that takes away from the purity of the game I used to love...FINESS. You like the new "who can cheat the best/most and not get caught era we are in...WHY? D. Frank was held, arm-bared, grabbed, basically mahled last night..brutal. Shame on the 3BlindMice! Talk about whiners, howbout some cheese and crackers with it...Whitewater!
Regarding D. Frank...the most under appreciated player in the conference. Should've been player of the week at least once if not twice and was snubbed by the coaches all year. Went about her business without cheating like Mr. or Ms. WithasilentK promotes and likes..there is still room for Class in sports and life. How many players in the history of the WIAC have career numbers with over 1,000 points and rebounds and 344 blocks? She is a true game changer, and does it without "cheating" my friend!
Regarding D. Frank...the most under appreciated player in the conference. Should've been player of the week at least once if not twice and was snubbed by the coaches all year. Went about her business without cheating like Mr. or Ms. WithasilentK promotes and likes..there is still room for Class in sports and life. How many players in the history of the WIAC have career numbers with over 1,000 points and rebounds and 344 blocks? She is a true game changer, and does it without "cheating" my friend!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 26, 2011, 12:53:15 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 26, 2011, 12:53:15 PM
Tough game last night for UWL. They had their chances to pull away and to come back, but they couldn't quite do it. Frank and Churchill both played tough and the team played their hearts out, but there were a couple things that made the difference in the game:
1) UWW's press killed the Eagles. They just couldn't figure out how to attack it, and it caused much more angst than it should have. UWL isn't deep enough at guard to not show a team they can't press them right away.
2) UWL was in double bonus with 11 minutes left in the game, and just couldn't take full advantage. That was prime opportunity to chip away at the lead.
Frank didn't get as many good looks in the second half because she got in foul trouble early in the half. I have to agree that it was pretty brutal inside, and it disappointed me that they didn't control that. Only one of Frank's fouls was a questionable call, but it can get frustrating when refs aren't looking for the push underneath on the other end. Overall, nothing out of the ordinary from what I've seen from WIAC crews.
I hope UWL gets a chance in the playoffs. I'd love to see what they can do.
1) UWW's press killed the Eagles. They just couldn't figure out how to attack it, and it caused much more angst than it should have. UWL isn't deep enough at guard to not show a team they can't press them right away.
2) UWL was in double bonus with 11 minutes left in the game, and just couldn't take full advantage. That was prime opportunity to chip away at the lead.
Frank didn't get as many good looks in the second half because she got in foul trouble early in the half. I have to agree that it was pretty brutal inside, and it disappointed me that they didn't control that. Only one of Frank's fouls was a questionable call, but it can get frustrating when refs aren't looking for the push underneath on the other end. Overall, nothing out of the ordinary from what I've seen from WIAC crews.
I hope UWL gets a chance in the playoffs. I'd love to see what they can do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: TellItLikeItis on February 26, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
Talk about whiners, howbout some cheese and crackers with it...Whitewater!
Hello pot my name is kettle and we're both black. The fans on both sides of the aisle had problems with the officiating. The LaCrosse fans were no better nor worse than those of the WARHAWKS. Both sides had their whiners and both sides had those who simply came to enjoy the competition. Don't you find it interesting that in the post you flame WARHAWK fans for whining you whine about the "three blind mice" and Frank getting "arm bared, grabbed and basically malled."
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 26, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Post by: billys on February 26, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: TellItLikeItis on February 26, 2011, 11:37:32 AMCoaches don't pick player of the week; the conference office/SID does. I've talked to three coaches in the league this year and discussed Frank. They all talk about how good she is.
Koodo's to Becker, she gets it...WithasilentK, figure it out! Basketball used to be finess game and now your part of the biggest issue that takes away from the purity of the game I used to love...FINESS. You like the new "who can cheat the best/most and not get caught era we are in...WHY? D. Frank was held, arm-bared, grabbed, basically mahled last night..brutal. Shame on the 3BlindMice! Talk about whiners, howbout some cheese and crackers with it...Whitewater!
Regarding D. Frank...the most under appreciated player in the conference. Should've been player of the week at least once if not twice and was snubbed by the coaches all year. Went about her business without cheating like Mr. or Ms. WithasilentK promotes and likes..there is still room for Class in sports and life. How many players in the history of the WIAC have career numbers with over 1,000 points and rebounds and 344 blocks? She is a true game changer, and does it without "cheating" my friend!
Are you allowed to talk about "class" and then write a post like this? Talking about three blind mice, cheaters, whiners?
My guess is the rest of the UWL fans would prefer you don't post again ... you're making them look really bad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2011, 04:58:08 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2011, 04:58:08 PM
Point wins the conference tourney, 73-53, over UWW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
Their margin of victory gets larger with each successive meeting. Congrats to the Pointers. With a couple of exceptions nobody in the league gave them much of a problem. The WARHAWKS shoot a god awful 24.5% from the floor. Tompson manages a double-double 18 and 11. So did Britta Petersen and Ashley Averkamp.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Becker on February 27, 2011, 06:20:52 PM
Post by: Becker on February 27, 2011, 06:20:52 PM
So, who gets into the tournament? My guess is for sure UWSP, pretty sure UWW, and I think UWL would have a pretty good shot on the strength of them being ranked 4th in the last Central Region rankings. That would be a lot of WIAC teams making it, though.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on February 27, 2011, 06:28:21 PM
Post by: stoutguy on February 27, 2011, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2011, 06:19:42 PMIn my English classes, I was always impressed by the kid who was told how to spell a word and then always remembered it. :o
Their margin of victory gets larger with each successive meeting. Congrats to the Pointers. With a couple of exceptions nobody in the league gave them much of a problem. The WARHAWKS shoot a god awful 24.5% from the floor. Tompson manages a double-double 18 and 11. So did Britta Petersen and Ashley Averkamp.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Well Stevens Point is a lock.
It would be a huge mistake not putting Whitewater in. 21-6 record overall, not sure of in-region, but really good wins vs. Calvin, George Fox and Illinois Wesleyan.
I don't think La Crosse gets in. Two good wins vs. Whitewater and Chicago. Other than that nothing really good. Losses against other NCAA teams in SP (0-2), Coe, Chapman (most likely a tournament team).
La Crosse knew this was their year, they should have scheduled a better schedule. Luther, Ripon, Edgewood, and Viterbo doesn't really help a team this time of year.
It would be a huge mistake not putting Whitewater in. 21-6 record overall, not sure of in-region, but really good wins vs. Calvin, George Fox and Illinois Wesleyan.
I don't think La Crosse gets in. Two good wins vs. Whitewater and Chicago. Other than that nothing really good. Losses against other NCAA teams in SP (0-2), Coe, Chapman (most likely a tournament team).
La Crosse knew this was their year, they should have scheduled a better schedule. Luther, Ripon, Edgewood, and Viterbo doesn't really help a team this time of year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 27, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 27, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Well Stevens Point is a lock.
It would be a huge mistake not putting Whitewater in. 21-6 record overall, not sure of in-region, but really good wins vs. Calvin, George Fox and Illinois Wesleyan.
I don't think La Crosse gets in. Two good wins vs. Whitewater and Chicago. Other than that nothing really good. Losses against other NCAA teams in SP (0-2), Coe, Chapman (most likely a tournament team).
La Crosse knew this was their year, they should have scheduled a better schedule. Luther, Ripon, Edgewood, and Viterbo doesn't really help a team this time of year.
I have to completely disagree with the comment regarding UWL's schedule. 8 of their 27 games were vs. likely tournament teams. That's about 30%. Without looking at all I can't imagine that there are 15 teams in the nation that could match/beat that stat. (2 of them would be Point & WW I would imagine)
A win or two more vs. that competition is where UWL came up short. Specifically looking back the game at Point, Coe, and Chapman were the ones they let get away.
I would love to see UWL make the tourney as I think they could play with the best aftter getting beat around in the WIAC all year and giving out their share of beatings too.
Regardless of whether they get in the tourney or not, this UWL team has nothing to be dissapointed about. They were an extremely talented group and a lot of fun to watch/follow this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2011, 07:25:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 27, 2011, 07:25:49 PM
I'll be surprised if LaCrosse isn't in the field.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: TellItLikeItis on February 27, 2011, 08:51:21 PM
Post by: TellItLikeItis on February 27, 2011, 08:51:21 PM
LaCrosse should be in, they deserve to be there and for anyone that posts they had an easy schedule look at their regional ranking and strength of schedule...on D3 Hoops site.
Best of luck to everyone that's on the bubble as we can all make a case as to why we should be in.
Best of luck to everyone that's on the bubble as we can all make a case as to why we should be in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2011, 09:02:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2011, 09:02:47 PM
Quote from: Becker on February 27, 2011, 06:20:52 PM
So, who gets into the tournament? My guess is for sure UWSP, pretty sure UWW, and I think UWL would have a pretty good shot on the strength of them being ranked 4th in the last Central Region rankings. That would be a lot of WIAC teams making it, though.
Thanks for climbing out on the limb for us. I'm also pretty certain the team with automatic bid will get in.
I think both UWW and UWL will make it. I execpt UWSP to host and either UWL or UWW to travel down to Illinois Wesleyan. No idea where the other one ends up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2011, 09:22:35 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2011, 09:22:35 PM
Regional Ranking and SOS does not mean they played a tough non-conference schedule. SOS could reflect on how tough the WIAC really is. The WIAC conference was really good against non-conference teams this year as a whole and this could really help their SOS. I just think they first 5-6 games for a veteran team like they are left a bit to be desired.
Other than Chicago in November, (Chicago was then really struggling as the Lakeland loss is proof enough) and Whitewater in February, they really don't have the great resume building wins. You could possibly say Occidental, who won their conference tournament with a 19-8 overall record as well, but they haven't got a sniff in the West Regional Rankings.
They have good losses vs Coe, Chapman, WW, and two vs SP. But these are losses just the same.
La Crosse passes the eye ball test for the most part. The only problem is this is not always about picking the best 20 pool C teams. I don't know if that resume is good enough.
Other than Chicago in November, (Chicago was then really struggling as the Lakeland loss is proof enough) and Whitewater in February, they really don't have the great resume building wins. You could possibly say Occidental, who won their conference tournament with a 19-8 overall record as well, but they haven't got a sniff in the West Regional Rankings.
They have good losses vs Coe, Chapman, WW, and two vs SP. But these are losses just the same.
La Crosse passes the eye ball test for the most part. The only problem is this is not always about picking the best 20 pool C teams. I don't know if that resume is good enough.
Title: Coaches don't Pick Player of the week
Post by: TellItLikeItis on February 27, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Post by: TellItLikeItis on February 27, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Your ending sentence needs clarification as I TellitLikeItis and if you want to have my words reflect on others that's on you my friend and no one else. I won't judge other fans based on your words/posts. Your comment...Coaches don't pick player of the week; the conference office/SID does. Really, here's a copy of an email response on that direct question from Matthew Stanek of the WIAC
From: Matthew Stanek
Date: 01/27/11 10:22:54
Cc: Gary Karner
Subject: WIAC Athlete of the Week
Dave,
This note is in response to the email you submitted to WIAC Commissioner Gary Karner regarding WIAC women's basketball athlete of the week selections. Athlete of Week nominations in women's basketball are taken from each institution on Monday of each week. The nominees are then distributed to the head coaches via email to be voted upon and a vote is returned to the conference office by Tuesday morning.
I can tell you from personal experience of having picked the Athletes of the Week in our 21 conference sports for almost 12 years that it is a very difficult process each and every week.
Thank you for your support of the WIAC.
Matt
cc: WIAC Commissioner Gary Karner
--
Matt Stanek
Assistant Commissioner for Media Relations
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
780 Regent Street
Madison, WI 53715
Phone: (608) 265-6406
Fax: (608) 265-3176
www.wiacsports.com
Why are the coaches asked to vote for a player if they don't pick them as you posted? Should I judge you and all your fans based on your misinformation on your post? Can we trust any information you post as factual? Enjoy your freedom of speech and posting to this site but please don't judge the UWL fans based on my words...that would be very short sighted on your part.
From: Matthew Stanek
Date: 01/27/11 10:22:54
Cc: Gary Karner
Subject: WIAC Athlete of the Week
Dave,
This note is in response to the email you submitted to WIAC Commissioner Gary Karner regarding WIAC women's basketball athlete of the week selections. Athlete of Week nominations in women's basketball are taken from each institution on Monday of each week. The nominees are then distributed to the head coaches via email to be voted upon and a vote is returned to the conference office by Tuesday morning.
I can tell you from personal experience of having picked the Athletes of the Week in our 21 conference sports for almost 12 years that it is a very difficult process each and every week.
Thank you for your support of the WIAC.
Matt
cc: WIAC Commissioner Gary Karner
--
Matt Stanek
Assistant Commissioner for Media Relations
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
780 Regent Street
Madison, WI 53715
Phone: (608) 265-6406
Fax: (608) 265-3176
www.wiacsports.com
Why are the coaches asked to vote for a player if they don't pick them as you posted? Should I judge you and all your fans based on your misinformation on your post? Can we trust any information you post as factual? Enjoy your freedom of speech and posting to this site but please don't judge the UWL fans based on my words...that would be very short sighted on your part.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
I have no problem saying I'm wrong. I knew he picked them for other sports as I follow some others fairly closely; I wasn't aware women's basketball is the one sport he didn't pick. i wrongly assumed and will most definitely eat the crow on that. Doesn't change my point; if you think it's a coach's bias against Frank you're delusional. Like I said, I've heard three head coaches say how good Danielle Frank is. Guess the other 5 must have been colluding against her. And I think she's GREAT, so don't try to accuse me of going on some attack of her. I think she's a very good choice for PotY
I've made enough factual, non-offensive, discussion creating posts in my time here that I have no problem admiting I was wrong on this one. I think those that have been on the site for awhile will forgive this mistake and still take me seriously as a poster.
I don't have a "team" per se ... I'm a fan of this league and women's basketball in Wisconsin and Illinois. It's obvious you have a strong bias towards a team, and if you're complaining about player of the week it appears you have one for a player as well.
Reality is if you go on a message board and demean and insult people and other schools as you did Whitewater, it indirectly reflects on the team you support. Do I think less of PRF when you come on here and berate posters, players, or officials? No. But if I'm a La Crosse fan the last thing I'd like to see on here is a fellow La Crosse fan being a jag. If you're at a gym and there's one loudmouth in the stands that never shuts up some people leave saying, "Man (insert school name here)'s fans are really bad."
But if you're looking to pick a fight I'm waiting to hear your response to the rest of my post when you call for class then post like you do? As BW said there's an old cliche that directly applies here.
I've made enough factual, non-offensive, discussion creating posts in my time here that I have no problem admiting I was wrong on this one. I think those that have been on the site for awhile will forgive this mistake and still take me seriously as a poster.
I don't have a "team" per se ... I'm a fan of this league and women's basketball in Wisconsin and Illinois. It's obvious you have a strong bias towards a team, and if you're complaining about player of the week it appears you have one for a player as well.
Reality is if you go on a message board and demean and insult people and other schools as you did Whitewater, it indirectly reflects on the team you support. Do I think less of PRF when you come on here and berate posters, players, or officials? No. But if I'm a La Crosse fan the last thing I'd like to see on here is a fellow La Crosse fan being a jag. If you're at a gym and there's one loudmouth in the stands that never shuts up some people leave saying, "Man (insert school name here)'s fans are really bad."
But if you're looking to pick a fight I'm waiting to hear your response to the rest of my post when you call for class then post like you do? As BW said there's an old cliche that directly applies here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 27, 2011, 11:41:44 PM
Post by: billys on February 27, 2011, 11:41:44 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2011, 09:22:35 PMGreat breakdown. I think they'll get in, but you're right; they played the schedule but didn't necessarily get that big win they needed. Although it seems few teams they're lined up against would have a win as good as @WW.
Regional Ranking and SOS does not mean they played a tough non-conference schedule. SOS could reflect on how tough the WIAC really is. The WIAC conference was really good against non-conference teams this year as a whole and this could really help their SOS. I just think they first 5-6 games for a veteran team like they are left a bit to be desired.
Other than Chicago in November, (Chicago was then really struggling as the Lakeland loss is proof enough) and Whitewater in February, they really don't have the great resume building wins. You could possibly say Occidental, who won their conference tournament with a 19-8 overall record as well, but they haven't got a sniff in the West Regional Rankings.
They have good losses vs Coe, Chapman, WW, and two vs SP. But these are losses just the same.
La Crosse passes the eye ball test for the most part. The only problem is this is not always about picking the best 20 pool C teams. I don't know if that resume is good enough.
Hoping for 3 and hoping for 3 different venues to follow.
Viterbo is the only game they have that doesn't count? Correct?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
d3hoops is projecting that both UWW and UWL get pool C bids, and rather comfortably. They had UWW as the 3rd Pool C and UWL as the 8th (out of 20).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 28, 2011, 08:38:34 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 28, 2011, 08:38:34 AM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
d3hoops is projecting that both UWW and UWL get pool C bids, and rather comfortably. They had UWW as the 3rd Pool C and UWL as the 8th (out of 20).
Looks like D3 is saying La Crosse is in and I doubt that they will drop from 8th team in to out of the picture completely. I can admit I was wrong. I know tellitlikeitis just opened a champagne bottle or something :) ha.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Becker on February 28, 2011, 09:19:33 AM
Post by: Becker on February 28, 2011, 09:19:33 AM
Just Bill, if you didn't notice I said "for sure UWSP", way to make a new poster feel welcome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 09:43:07 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 09:43:07 AM
Quote from: Becker on February 28, 2011, 09:19:33 AM
Just Bill, if you didn't notice I said "for sure UWSP", way to make a new poster feel welcome.
"My guess is for sure UWSP." No reason to guess. They're in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 28, 2011, 10:01:53 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 28, 2011, 10:01:53 AM
Where's Champ when you need him to put some people back in their seats. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
Boy comfortably in is correct. Even though I know it's not official I bet Coach Heeren and those girls are breathing a little easier this morning seeing that list.
Whitewater also projected to host and I'm guessing they'd take that group.
La Crosse at Illinois Wesleyan seems very likely. I'm sure they'd rather draw St. Norbert down there but Wisconsin Lutheran probably wouldn't be the worst draw; even though they beat WW. Heck everyone is good now; I didn't think Carthage would beat WW last year either.0
I haven't seen enough UWL to know for sure but how does their style match up with IWU? Can they handle that pressure?
Whitewater also projected to host and I'm guessing they'd take that group.
La Crosse at Illinois Wesleyan seems very likely. I'm sure they'd rather draw St. Norbert down there but Wisconsin Lutheran probably wouldn't be the worst draw; even though they beat WW. Heck everyone is good now; I didn't think Carthage would beat WW last year either.0
I haven't seen enough UWL to know for sure but how does their style match up with IWU? Can they handle that pressure?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 10:33:11 AM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: billys on February 28, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
I haven't seen enough UWL to know for sure but how does their style match up with IWU? Can they handle that pressure?
I watched bits and pieces of the UWW-UWL conference tourney game. At times UWL did have trouble against the press.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Becker on February 28, 2011, 11:07:59 AM
Post by: Becker on February 28, 2011, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 09:43:07 AMQuote from: Becker on February 28, 2011, 09:19:33 AM
Just Bill, if you didn't notice I said "for sure UWSP", way to make a new poster feel welcome.
"My guess is for sure UWSP." No reason to guess. They're in.
Just Bill, I apologize, in the future I'll work to improve my sentence structure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on February 28, 2011, 01:03:39 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on February 28, 2011, 01:03:39 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 10:33:11 AMQuote from: billys on February 28, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
I haven't seen enough UWL to know for sure but how does their style match up with IWU? Can they handle that pressure?
I watched bits and pieces of the UWW-UWL conference tourney game. At times UWL did have trouble against the press.
Agreed. It looked like a confidence issue. It wasn't that they didn't have the right setup to break the press (though UWW did a great job of putting on pressure), but that they were hesitant to follow through. They'll need to fix that collectively to beat a press in the tournament. In my opinion, with no 10 second clock, you should be breaking a press 95% of the time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 01:26:30 PM
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 01:26:30 PM
Without knowing any more than what you guys are saying I would suppose their biggest issue with at team like Illinois Wesleyan would be the cumulative effect of that press wearing a team down considering the starters play significant minutes and they go consistently three deep on the bench.
I guess it's a moot point before the bracket actually comes out and we find out who they're playing ... just something I was curious about after seeing the projections and thinking there's a likelihood they could end up down there.
I guess it's a moot point before the bracket actually comes out and we find out who they're playing ... just something I was curious about after seeing the projections and thinking there's a likelihood they could end up down there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
2010 All Conference Team
2010-11 All-WIAC Women's Basketball Team
First Team
Name, School, Year, Position, Hometown (High School)
Ashley Averkamp, Stevens Point, Junior, Post, New Berlin, Wis. (West)
Dana Churchill, La Crosse, Senior, Forward, Sheboygan, Wis. (North)
Shelby Churchill, Oshkosh, Senior, Forward, Sheboygan, Wis. (North)
Andrea Flease, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, New London, Wis.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Senior, Center, Caledonia, Minn.
Tiffany Gregorich, River Falls, Junior, Guard, Altoona, Wis.
Hannah Mesick, Eau Claire, Senior, Center, Chatfield, Minn.
Britta Petersen, Stevens Point, Senior, Post, Luck, Wis.
Dana Thompson, Whitewater, Senior, Center, Belleville, Wis.
Tricia VanVreede, Stout, Senior, Forward, Little Chute, Wis. (Kimberly)
Honorable Mention
Cassie Bandow, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, Plover, Wis. (Pacelli)
Michelle Boeder, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (West)
Ashley Callahan, Platteville, Junior, Center, Dubuque, Iowa (Hempstead)
Nicole Christianson, Eau Claire, Junior, Guard, Chetek, Wis.
Bri Davis, Superior, Junior, Forward, Hermantown, Minn.
Maranda Dohrn, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Lake City, Minn.
Hailey Hart, Superior, Junior, Forward, Osseo, Wis.
Alise Holst, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Plainview, Minn. (Plainview-Elgin-Millville)
Lindsey Litrenta, La Crosse, Senior, Guard, Rothschild, Wis. (D.C. Everest)
Sami Schoeder, Stout, Freshman, Guard, Durand, Wis.
Kelsey Thingvold, Superior, Senior, Forward, Crystal, Minn.
All-Defensive Team
Andrea Flease, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, New London, Wis.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Senior, Center, Caledonia, Minn.
Tiffany Gregorich, River Falls, Junior, Guard, Altoona, Wis.
Ellen Plendl, Eau Claire, Junior, Center, Chippewa Falls, Wis. (McDonell)
Kaitlyn Thill, Whitewater, Freshman, Guard, Belgium, Wis. (Ozaukee)
All-Sportsmanship Team
Callie Halama, Eau Claire, Junior, Forward, Independence, Wis.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Senior, Center, Caledonia, Minn.
Katie Kitzke, Oshkosh, Sophomore, Guard, South Milwaukee, Wis.
Ashley Wolf, Platteville, Senior, Guard, Verona, Wis.
Maranda Dohrn, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Lake City, Minn.
Christin Coles, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, Hustisford, Wis.
Brittney Gerber, Stout, Senior, Guard, Exeland, Wis. (Bruce)
Kelsey Thingvold, Superior, Senior, Forward, Crystal, Minn.
Melissa Olsen, Whitewater, Senior, Forward, Carol Stream, Ill. (West Chicago Community)
Player of the Year: Britta Petersen of Stevens Point
Coach of the Year: Shirley Egner of Stevens Point
Judy Kruckman Co-Scholar-Athletes: Hannah Mesick of Eau Claire and Dana Churchill of La Crosse
2010-11 All-WIAC Women's Basketball Team
First Team
Name, School, Year, Position, Hometown (High School)
Ashley Averkamp, Stevens Point, Junior, Post, New Berlin, Wis. (West)
Dana Churchill, La Crosse, Senior, Forward, Sheboygan, Wis. (North)
Shelby Churchill, Oshkosh, Senior, Forward, Sheboygan, Wis. (North)
Andrea Flease, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, New London, Wis.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Senior, Center, Caledonia, Minn.
Tiffany Gregorich, River Falls, Junior, Guard, Altoona, Wis.
Hannah Mesick, Eau Claire, Senior, Center, Chatfield, Minn.
Britta Petersen, Stevens Point, Senior, Post, Luck, Wis.
Dana Thompson, Whitewater, Senior, Center, Belleville, Wis.
Tricia VanVreede, Stout, Senior, Forward, Little Chute, Wis. (Kimberly)
Honorable Mention
Cassie Bandow, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, Plover, Wis. (Pacelli)
Michelle Boeder, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (West)
Ashley Callahan, Platteville, Junior, Center, Dubuque, Iowa (Hempstead)
Nicole Christianson, Eau Claire, Junior, Guard, Chetek, Wis.
Bri Davis, Superior, Junior, Forward, Hermantown, Minn.
Maranda Dohrn, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Lake City, Minn.
Hailey Hart, Superior, Junior, Forward, Osseo, Wis.
Alise Holst, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Plainview, Minn. (Plainview-Elgin-Millville)
Lindsey Litrenta, La Crosse, Senior, Guard, Rothschild, Wis. (D.C. Everest)
Sami Schoeder, Stout, Freshman, Guard, Durand, Wis.
Kelsey Thingvold, Superior, Senior, Forward, Crystal, Minn.
All-Defensive Team
Andrea Flease, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, New London, Wis.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Senior, Center, Caledonia, Minn.
Tiffany Gregorich, River Falls, Junior, Guard, Altoona, Wis.
Ellen Plendl, Eau Claire, Junior, Center, Chippewa Falls, Wis. (McDonell)
Kaitlyn Thill, Whitewater, Freshman, Guard, Belgium, Wis. (Ozaukee)
All-Sportsmanship Team
Callie Halama, Eau Claire, Junior, Forward, Independence, Wis.
Danielle Frank, La Crosse, Senior, Center, Caledonia, Minn.
Katie Kitzke, Oshkosh, Sophomore, Guard, South Milwaukee, Wis.
Ashley Wolf, Platteville, Senior, Guard, Verona, Wis.
Maranda Dohrn, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Lake City, Minn.
Christin Coles, Stevens Point, Senior, Guard, Hustisford, Wis.
Brittney Gerber, Stout, Senior, Guard, Exeland, Wis. (Bruce)
Kelsey Thingvold, Superior, Senior, Forward, Crystal, Minn.
Melissa Olsen, Whitewater, Senior, Forward, Carol Stream, Ill. (West Chicago Community)
Player of the Year: Britta Petersen of Stevens Point
Coach of the Year: Shirley Egner of Stevens Point
Judy Kruckman Co-Scholar-Athletes: Hannah Mesick of Eau Claire and Dana Churchill of La Crosse
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Point hosts vs. St Norbs
Other teams in pod are Simpson & Concordia, MN
Other teams in pod are Simpson & Concordia, MN
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
UWL is in and plays Wis. Lutheran @ IWU. Other team is Webster
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
UWW is in as expected. They play Mt. Union in the Stagg Bowl...... I mean 1st round. Didn't catch the other teams or who hosts
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 28, 2011, 03:15:14 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 28, 2011, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:11:37 PM
UWL is in and plays Wis. Lutheran @ IWU. Other team is Webster
Any draw is a good draw for the Eagles. Just needed to get in.
Now let's see if they can string a run together.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 03:18:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
UWW is in as expected. They play Mt. Union in the Stagg Bowl...... I mean 1st round. Didn't catch the other teams or who hosts
Thomas Moore (Ky) hosts and plays Piedmont.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
UWW is in as expected. They play Mt. Union in the Stagg Bowl...... I mean 1st round. Didn't catch the other teams or who hosts
(Ba dumm bumm!) Yeah, that would be an awfully long commute out east for the first game :D :D
(I still remember that poll I posted regarding UWW's success in all their sports--someone else put in a choice "Ask DLK for more money" I didn't know DLK personally and I was still in LOLOLOL! mode--)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Point hosts vs. St Norbs
Other teams in pod are Simpson & Concordia, MN
I think Point got robbed here a bit. St Norbs is good. I would have expected Point to play Concordia in the first round.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 03:41:57 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
I think Point got robbed here a bit. St Norbs is good. I would have expected Point to play Concordia in the first round.
Home court isn't enough? ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PMThe Massey ratings have Simpson (11), Concordia (16), and St. Norbert's (30). So they would argue Point did get the weakest of the three.Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Point hosts vs. St Norbs
Other teams in pod are Simpson & Concordia, MN
I think Point got robbed here a bit. St Norbs is good. I would have expected Point to play Concordia in the first round.
For the record Massey rates Point (1) WW (5) and La Crosse (9)
Other pods
La Crosse (9) vs. Wisconsin Lutheran (42)
Illinois Wesleyan (3) vs. Webster (185)
Whitewater (5) vs. Mount Union (19)
Thomas More (7) vs. Piedmont (154)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 04:30:48 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2011, 03:41:57 PMQuote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
I think Point got robbed here a bit. St Norbs is good. I would have expected Point to play Concordia in the first round.
Home court isn't enough? ???
Well, the home court was very expected. Maybe I am putting too much weight on record compared to conference strength. And I realize the word "robbed" was too strong of a word to use than I actually meant. It was just the 1st word that came to my mind.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 04:40:57 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2011, 04:40:57 PM
Quote from: billys on February 28, 2011, 03:47:42 PMQuote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PMThe Massey ratings have Simpson (11), Concordia (16), and St. Norbert's (30). So they would argue Point did get the weakest of the three.Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Point hosts vs. St Norbs
Other teams in pod are Simpson & Concordia, MN
I think Point got robbed here a bit. St Norbs is good. I would have expected Point to play Concordia in the first round.
For the record Massey rates Point (1) WW (5) and La Crosse (9)
Other pods
La Crosse (9) vs. Wisconsin Lutheran (42)
Illinois Wesleyan (3) vs. Webster (185)
Whitewater (5) vs. Mount Union (19)
Thomas More (7) vs. Piedmont (154)
D3hoops has got Point at #4, St. Norberts at #16 with both Simpson and Concordia outside the top 37.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2011, 07:23:27 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 28, 2011, 07:23:27 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on February 28, 2011, 10:01:53 AM
Where's Champ when you need him to put some people back in their seats. ;D[/quote
OK, PRF, go lay down by your dish... ;)
For the first time in years, my squad didn't even make the WIAC Tournament... :'(
Glad to see 3 WIAC teams in the dance. Hope everyone dances all the way through this weekend!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 07:28:06 PM
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 07:28:06 PM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 04:40:57 PMI know but the D3hoops Top #25 is voted on by humans and let's be honest, only at the D1 level do voters see teams from outside their region or even conference. No one can tell me St. Norberts is legitimately one of the top 16 teams in the country ... they didn't beat ANYONE. According to the power rankings Oshkosh was the third best team they played.Quote from: billys on February 28, 2011, 03:47:42 PMQuote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:32:03 PMThe Massey ratings have Simpson (11), Concordia (16), and St. Norbert's (30). So they would argue Point did get the weakest of the three.Quote from: buf on February 28, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Point hosts vs. St Norbs
Other teams in pod are Simpson & Concordia, MN
I think Point got robbed here a bit. St Norbs is good. I would have expected Point to play Concordia in the first round.
For the record Massey rates Point (1) WW (5) and La Crosse (9)
Other pods
La Crosse (9) vs. Wisconsin Lutheran (42)
Illinois Wesleyan (3) vs. Webster (185)
Whitewater (5) vs. Mount Union (19)
Thomas More (7) vs. Piedmont (154)
D3hoops has got Point at #4, St. Norberts at #16 with both Simpson and Concordia outside the top 37.
I'm not saying computers know what they're talking about either but when you factor in strength of schedule I think this is actually a fairly good ranking system.
PS WIAC and CCIW ranked 1 and 2 in their system.
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1
PPS- These rankings also show how good women's basketball is at the college level in Wisconsin
D1 (Ranking among 343 schools)
Green Bay (13)
Marquette (15)
Wisconsin (51)
D2 (Ranking among 285 schools)
Parkside (16)
D3 (Ranking among 437 schools)
UWSP (1)
UWW (5)
UWL (9)
UWEC (27)
St. Norbert (30)
UWRF (32)
Carthage (36)
WI Lutheran (42)
NAIA 2 (Ranking among 140)
Cardinal Stritch (27)
Thanks pretty stinkin' good. You'd think the guy lived in Wisconsin who developed the program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 08:26:29 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 08:26:29 PM
billys, I don't think you're giving the Top 25 voters enough credit. If this was 1997, I might agree with you. You've heard of videocasting on the internet, right? I think the voters in Pat's poll have seen far more teams than you realize. Plus Pat gives them enough data every week to choke a small horse (if he was printing all that data on paper, that is.) I think the voters are far more familiar coast-to-coast than you think they are.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
Post by: billys on February 28, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 08:26:29 PMYou honestly think that voters (coaches, SID's and media) are watching multiple games a weekend so they can fill out a ballot? I believe voters are more aware of other teams and "familiar" ... I don't believe they've seen more than 10 of them play. Some, probably have ... I'd guess the majority have not. And there's not anything wrong with that. All those people have to cover their own teams who are likely playing the same nights.
billys, I don't think you're giving the Top 25 voters enough credit. If this was 1997, I might agree with you. You've heard of videocasting on the internet, right? I think the voters in Pat's poll have seen far more teams than you realize. Plus Pat gives them enough data every week to choke a small horse (if he was printing all that data on paper, that is.) I think the voters are far more familiar coast-to-coast than you think they are.
This site does a great job of giving people the ability to follow teams and learn about them. And I definitely believe it's more accurate than the coaches poll that has 8 voters. But it's also the reason teams with past success can hang around the Top 25 after a bunch of losses when teams that haven't been there need to win a lot more games to earn that respect.
I really don't think questionning the accuracy of a human vote poll is all that new. People say the same thing about Division 1 all the time which has a lot more coverage. I all but guarantee if the Point SID were a voter he's not going home after working a DH and watching two games on "videocasting" to see who he should vote for.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 10:34:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2011, 10:34:33 PM
I know a handful of voters, and yes, that's exactly what they do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 01, 2011, 02:28:54 AM
Post by: billys on March 01, 2011, 02:28:54 AM
I like you and am not trying to start an argument ... I just don't buy it. Some people may try but, for instance the coaches who vote. They're preparing for two games a week, traveling to recruit, practicing, watching film, teaching, playing road games, etc. Then they're watching 5-10 out of region teams just to vote for Top 25? That would be stupid and I wouldn't expect any of them to even try to do that.
Like I said, I'm not saying any of it is a bad thing or that they're expected to know everyone they're voting for. It's the element of the polls. D1 pollsters admit to this all the time but D3 pollsters see all? If you're trying to say they regularly see all the teams up for discussion, I just don't see how it's humanly possible. Not only would they have to see the 25 teams they want to vote for they'd have to see 15-20 more on the fence to honestly know who belongs. Heck in D3 you should really see more than that cause by my quick count there were like 73 teams with 20 wins in D3! Babson is 27-0 but has a schedule rank in the mid-200's. Humans would (and probably should) always rank that team high because they're unbeaten. A computer poll deducts for the bad schedule. It's a matter of taste and opinion but I do believe it creates an unbiased comparison of teams. Of course there's bias in the development of the formula.
You're making it out like I bashed these voters. I may have embellished by saying they don't see anyone outside their own conference. The point was I think with 420+ teams and 25 voters likely spread throughout the country they don't have the time or resources to make sure they see all 40 teams up for discussion on a weekly basis. This ranking system tells me Eau Claire is potentially a top 30 team in the country. Maybe not likely but based on their record they couldn't sniff a human poll. But if you look at their record and then consider they had the country's 3rd best schedule; I say .. well maybe against a St. Norbert schedule they win 20+ games. And this ranking system also tells me they're better than St. Norberts, which they proved on the floor. I like a computer program that can factor in strength of schedule and some other numbers to give an unbiased account of the season and technically "sees" everyone and puts them on an even playing field. Again, not even close to the "bible" but if two teams are playing on an empty court in Alaska I like the power rankings to give me an idea of who the better team might be. I'm not buying St. Norbert's is favored against La Crosse which is what the human poll tells me.
I apologize if I offended you or any of your friends who vote. It's got a great place for discussion. I just prefer another metric. I've said my piece and we'e probably just going to disagree on this.
Like I said, I'm not saying any of it is a bad thing or that they're expected to know everyone they're voting for. It's the element of the polls. D1 pollsters admit to this all the time but D3 pollsters see all? If you're trying to say they regularly see all the teams up for discussion, I just don't see how it's humanly possible. Not only would they have to see the 25 teams they want to vote for they'd have to see 15-20 more on the fence to honestly know who belongs. Heck in D3 you should really see more than that cause by my quick count there were like 73 teams with 20 wins in D3! Babson is 27-0 but has a schedule rank in the mid-200's. Humans would (and probably should) always rank that team high because they're unbeaten. A computer poll deducts for the bad schedule. It's a matter of taste and opinion but I do believe it creates an unbiased comparison of teams. Of course there's bias in the development of the formula.
You're making it out like I bashed these voters. I may have embellished by saying they don't see anyone outside their own conference. The point was I think with 420+ teams and 25 voters likely spread throughout the country they don't have the time or resources to make sure they see all 40 teams up for discussion on a weekly basis. This ranking system tells me Eau Claire is potentially a top 30 team in the country. Maybe not likely but based on their record they couldn't sniff a human poll. But if you look at their record and then consider they had the country's 3rd best schedule; I say .. well maybe against a St. Norbert schedule they win 20+ games. And this ranking system also tells me they're better than St. Norberts, which they proved on the floor. I like a computer program that can factor in strength of schedule and some other numbers to give an unbiased account of the season and technically "sees" everyone and puts them on an even playing field. Again, not even close to the "bible" but if two teams are playing on an empty court in Alaska I like the power rankings to give me an idea of who the better team might be. I'm not buying St. Norbert's is favored against La Crosse which is what the human poll tells me.
I apologize if I offended you or any of your friends who vote. It's got a great place for discussion. I just prefer another metric. I've said my piece and we'e probably just going to disagree on this.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 01, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Post by: billys on March 01, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Anyway ... let's talk hoops.
Predictions:
Point no trouble in rolling to the Round of 16
Whitewater wins their first game and then has a battle ... still think they can win.
La Crosse does the same and unfortunately gets bounced in round 2.
Mount Union appears to be a deliberate bunch, I would imagine WW's pressure and attacking will bother them. They only average 14 TO's which is tough to do unless you play a slower tempo. Obviously just going off of stats though ... has anyone seen them? They also don't have a ton of size (5-10 for their bigs that most contribute). Guard dominated scoring-wise. Looking forward to that one.
Predictions:
Point no trouble in rolling to the Round of 16
Whitewater wins their first game and then has a battle ... still think they can win.
La Crosse does the same and unfortunately gets bounced in round 2.
Mount Union appears to be a deliberate bunch, I would imagine WW's pressure and attacking will bother them. They only average 14 TO's which is tough to do unless you play a slower tempo. Obviously just going off of stats though ... has anyone seen them? They also don't have a ton of size (5-10 for their bigs that most contribute). Guard dominated scoring-wise. Looking forward to that one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on March 01, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
I wouldn't be so fast to pencil in UW-Steven Point into the round of 16 as Concordia from the MIAC is going to be in town. This is a team that has caught fire lately and with seniors such as Erica Nord, Lindsey Schultz, Brittany Jossart, Maggie Bauernfeind, and freshman 6'4" post Alexandra Lippert the Cobbers are going to be very, very tough to beat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 01, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 01, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 01, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
I wouldn't be so fast to pencil in UW-Steven Point into the round of 16 as Concordia from the MIAC is going to be in town. This is a team that has caught fire lately and with seniors such as Erica Nord, Lindsey Schultz, Brittany Jossart, Maggie Bauernfeind, and freshman 6'4" post Alexandra Lippert the Cobbers are going to be very, very tough to beat.
From talking to someone that watched the MIAC and WIAC this year, they thought the WIAC would roll through the MIAC. Maybe Concordia has caught fire lately, but I don't think they have a chance unless they're playing amazing right now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 01, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 01, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
I think we are all forgetting that the Pointers had a little trouble with the Cobbers last year. I am with Rams...don't pencil those Pointers in yet. They also have to get through a very determined St Norberts College as well. I know it isn't the Hope pod but I don't think anyone has it easy up in Stevens Point right now.
Any thoughts on how the UWL pod will pan out. I think if they can handle the pressure they could beat the home team!
Any thoughts on how the UWL pod will pan out. I think if they can handle the pressure they could beat the home team!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 01, 2011, 03:59:12 PM
Post by: billys on March 01, 2011, 03:59:12 PM
Sorry, I don't mean my predictions to demean any of the other teams. I just know if I'm filling out a bracket pool I'm pushing Point through to the Sweet 16 without a lot of hesitation.
They're at home, they're playing well, they're battle tested ... I just don't see them losing at home. I haven't seen Concordia so I'm basing it only off what I know of Point.
They're at home, they're playing well, they're battle tested ... I just don't see them losing at home. I haven't seen Concordia so I'm basing it only off what I know of Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: seventiesraider on March 01, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
Post by: seventiesraider on March 01, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
Quote from: billys on March 01, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Mount Union appears to be a deliberate bunch, I would imagine WW's pressure and attacking will bother them. They only average 14 TO's which is tough to do unless you play a slower tempo. Obviously just going off of stats though ... has anyone seen them? They also don't have a ton of size (5-10 for their bigs that most contribute). Guard dominated scoring-wise. Looking forward to that one.
Mount Union is anything but deliberate, more like Run, Gun and have some fun. You really need to check game to game for who is dominant. If you look back five games, it was bigger girl dominant, Amanda Rose (F) and Lauren Forquer (C) but other games will be lottsa guard action like the John Carroll game. There will be three guards on the floor most of the time. They substitute freely; 3,4,5 everytime the clock stops. I would expect 14-15 ladies to see action. Rosa LaMattina and Cory Wiedt are the floor generals and they feed who ever is hot. They are very much designed to be like the 1998 final four team which featured Suzy Venet, who is now coach.
They may come out slow as they have a habit of feeling out the opposing defense. They can be down 10 or 12 and have the floor presence to just keep playing. They are very young, but they are very disciplined and play hard no matter what combination of players is on the floor.
I've missed very few games and I can say with some prejudice, they are tough and fun to watch. I'd predict that they play a close game, but pull away in the last 6-8 minutes. From what I've read about this year's UWW, they have nothing in common with the teams that Mount has had problems with.
I'll be watch on my computer screen from Daytona Bike Week. Good luck Warhawks and fans
BTW: I recognize and totally respect the fact that UWW played one of if not the hardest schedule in the country
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
I'm sure Mount has a solid squad. I'll take my chances with Whitewater. Thomas Moore cannot be too thrillled about possibly seeing WW in the 2nd round.
Now on to UWL. UWL can and should win their first game. They will have to come out a focused group and limit mistakes to make that happen though.
IWU would be a tough matchup for UWL, but an assumption without seeing them play this year is that they play the same style of ball as Point and WW. If this is the case, UWL will have a fighting chance with their solid post play with Frank, Churchill, & Robinson combined with some timely 3-point shooting. This is of course if they can limit turnovers which they haven't shown me they can do yet.
I'm sure Mount has a solid squad. I'll take my chances with Whitewater. Thomas Moore cannot be too thrillled about possibly seeing WW in the 2nd round.
Now on to UWL. UWL can and should win their first game. They will have to come out a focused group and limit mistakes to make that happen though.
IWU would be a tough matchup for UWL, but an assumption without seeing them play this year is that they play the same style of ball as Point and WW. If this is the case, UWL will have a fighting chance with their solid post play with Frank, Churchill, & Robinson combined with some timely 3-point shooting. This is of course if they can limit turnovers which they haven't shown me they can do yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2011, 09:36:31 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2011, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: seventiesraider on March 01, 2011, 07:49:16 PMQuote from: billys on March 01, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Mount Union appears to be a deliberate bunch, I would imagine WW's pressure and attacking will bother them. They only average 14 TO's which is tough to do unless you play a slower tempo. Obviously just going off of stats though ... has anyone seen them? They also don't have a ton of size (5-10 for their bigs that most contribute). Guard dominated scoring-wise. Looking forward to that one.
Mount Union is anything but deliberate, more like Run, Gun and have some fun. You really need to check game to game for who is dominant. If you look back five games, it was bigger girl dominant, Amanda Rose (F) and Lauren Forquer (C) but other games will be lottsa guard action like the John Carroll game. There will be three guards on the floor most of the time. They substitute freely; 3,4,5 everytime the clock stops. I would expect 14-15 ladies to see action. Rosa LaMattina and Cory Wiedt are the floor generals and they feed who ever is hot. They are very much designed to be like the 1998 final four team which featured Suzy Venet, who is now coach.
They may come out slow as they have a habit of feeling out the opposing defense. They can be down 10 or 12 and have the floor presence to just keep playing. They are very young, but they are very disciplined and play hard no matter what combination of players is on the floor.
I've missed very few games and I can say with some prejudice, they are tough and fun to watch. I'd predict that they play a close game, but pull away in the last 6-8 minutes. From what I've read about this year's UWW, they have nothing in common with the teams that Mount has had problems with.
I'll be watch on my computer screen from Daytona Bike Week. Good luck Warhawks and fans
BTW: I recognize and totally respect the fact that UWW played one of if not the hardest schedule in the country
It should be a very interesting game. The two teams on paper seem to be mirror images of one another. We are also a very young team. Our front court players are the more experienced and tend to be the dominant scorers. We like to touch the post with the ball as often as possible. But we'll take three pointers when the opportunity presents itself. We'll pressure every possession and try to make the guards work hard to get the ball into the front court. Our freshman guard, Kaitlyn Thill, has 109 steals on the season. We want to play the game at the fastest pace possible. We may not substitute as many at a time as you've indicated Mount does but we will substitute often. Ten players average over 14 minutes. Our style gets us to the free throw line quite a bit. We easily shot more free throws than any other team in our league and at 74% we get points there.
I don't think I'll get to watch the webcast as I'll more than likely be broadcasting a high school game that evening. But I know our sister station is broadcasting so we should be getting updates on a regular basis. This sounds like a really fun game to watch.
GO WARHAWKS
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2011, 10:34:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2011, 10:34:14 AM
Congrats to Eau Claire's Hannah Mesick who is one of the eleven Jostens Trophy finalists.
http://d3hoops.com/notables/2011/03/jostens-finalists-named
http://d3hoops.com/notables/2011/03/jostens-finalists-named
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
While this may have been something of a "down" year for the MIAC I would be hesitant to state that there's "no comparison" between the two conferences. While UW-Stevens Point impressed me very much when they beat UST (St. Thomas) in St. Paul back in the early part of the season, keep in mind that GAC did beat UW-River Falls in their matchup at about the same time as well. Unfortunately, because of scheduling quirks in the MIAC, we don't get to play as many non-conference games as we should/need to get more recognition by the NCAA Tournament Committee.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
While this may have been something of a "down" year for the MIAC I would be hesitant to state that there's "no comparison" between the two conferences. While UW-Stevens Point impressed me very much when they beat UST (St. Thomas) in St. Paul back in the early part of the season, keep in mind that GAC did beat UW-River Falls in their matchup at about the same time as well. Unfortunately, because of scheduling quirks in the MIAC, we don't get to play as many non-conference games as we should/need to get more recognition by the NCAA Tournament Committee.
I wouldn't hesitate to say this is a down year for the MIAC, but I'd say talent level on a yearly basis is usually very similar. The MIAC has proven to have some very good teams over the years.
That being said, the style of the play between the two conferences is night and day. The WIAC looks like football compared to the MIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 03:52:41 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 03:52:41 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PMQuote from: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
While this may have been something of a "down" year for the MIAC I would be hesitant to state that there's "no comparison" between the two conferences. While UW-Stevens Point impressed me very much when they beat UST (St. Thomas) in St. Paul back in the early part of the season, keep in mind that GAC did beat UW-River Falls in their matchup at about the same time as well. Unfortunately, because of scheduling quirks in the MIAC, we don't get to play as many non-conference games as we should/need to get more recognition by the NCAA Tournament Committee.
I wouldn't hesitate to say this is a down year for the MIAC, but I'd say talent level on a yearly basis is usually very similar. The MIAC has proven to have some very good teams over the years.
That being said, the style of the play between the two conferences is night and day. The WIAC looks like football compared to the MIAC.
I'd be curious to what degree that is a difference in what refs allow, as opposed to 'innate' differences in style - any speculation?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 02, 2011, 04:30:02 PM
Post by: billys on March 02, 2011, 04:30:02 PM
Quote from: seventiesraider on March 01, 2011, 07:49:16 PMThat's shocking to me ... that they can play fast and only turn it over 14 times a game. Very impressive. As far as dominant goes I was just looking at their three leading scorers being guards.Quote from: billys on March 01, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Mount Union appears to be a deliberate bunch, I would imagine WW's pressure and attacking will bother them. They only average 14 TO's which is tough to do unless you play a slower tempo. Obviously just going off of stats though ... has anyone seen them? They also don't have a ton of size (5-10 for their bigs that most contribute). Guard dominated scoring-wise. Looking forward to that one.
Mount Union is anything but deliberate, more like Run, Gun and have some fun. You really need to check game to game for who is dominant. If you look back five games, it was bigger girl dominant, Amanda Rose (F) and Lauren Forquer (C) but other games will be lottsa guard action like the John Carroll game. There will be three guards on the floor most of the time. They substitute freely; 3,4,5 everytime the clock stops. I would expect 14-15 ladies to see action. Rosa LaMattina and Cory Wiedt are the floor generals and they feed who ever is hot. They are very much designed to be like the 1998 final four team which featured Suzy Venet, who is now coach.
They may come out slow as they have a habit of feeling out the opposing defense. They can be down 10 or 12 and have the floor presence to just keep playing. They are very young, but they are very disciplined and play hard no matter what combination of players is on the floor.
I've missed very few games and I can say with some prejudice, they are tough and fun to watch. I'd predict that they play a close game, but pull away in the last 6-8 minutes. From what I've read about this year's UWW, they have nothing in common with the teams that Mount has had problems with.
I'll be watch on my computer screen from Daytona Bike Week. Good luck Warhawks and fans
BTW: I recognize and totally respect the fact that UWW played one of if not the hardest schedule in the country
They get off nearly the same amount of shots per game but WW turns it over over 19 times per. WW gets to the line about 3 times more per game.
Have I mentioned how impressed I am about the lack of TO's? ;D
WW forces 23 and MU only gives it up 14+ ... should be interesting. I'll still take the Warhawks! When in doubt I'll revert to what the computers tell me ;)
Good luck to all three WIAC teams. Can't wait to follow
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Becker on March 02, 2011, 04:47:38 PM
Post by: Becker on March 02, 2011, 04:47:38 PM
In comparing the MIAC to the WIAC I wouldn't put much stock in GAC's defeat of UWRF as that was UWRF's first game of the year and GAC's second so GAC had a little bit more idea what their players could do and their rotation. What I would look at it UWRF went up to Concordia-MN over Christmas and beat them while UWRF lost to UWSP all three times they played them by about 10. Using that as a basis I would think UWSP will be coming away with the win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2011, 05:49:48 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2011, 05:49:48 PM
Congrats to Messick. Finally some great news for EC. Her family is wonderful and they also laugh alot. Here are my 3 cents:
SP over St Norbert - it will not be so easy.
WI Lth over LAX - Love LAX but think they have had trouble with the big games this year.
Union over WW - Love WW but nerves may cost the Warhawks - young
Round II SP over Concordia Moorhead - no sweat
Round III SP over GF - no sweat
Round IV SP over Ill Wey - a nail bitter
I see Hope taking SP in the SEMI (Unless Shirley inspires - which we know she can)
SP over St Norbert - it will not be so easy.
WI Lth over LAX - Love LAX but think they have had trouble with the big games this year.
Union over WW - Love WW but nerves may cost the Warhawks - young
Round II SP over Concordia Moorhead - no sweat
Round III SP over GF - no sweat
Round IV SP over Ill Wey - a nail bitter
I see Hope taking SP in the SEMI (Unless Shirley inspires - which we know she can)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RogK on March 02, 2011, 06:09:54 PM
Post by: RogK on March 02, 2011, 06:09:54 PM
to billys, while I haven't seen either of the teams being discussed here, I do feel slightly different than you do in regard to turnovers.
I think turnovers can just as easily occur for a slow offense as for a fast offense. I've seen many turnovers committed when a slow team insists on feeding the low post even when the defense has collapsed onto the low post player.
You're thinking (correct me as needed) that pushing the ball up the court can result in turnovers, and that it's safer to bring it up slowly. I'd say that there is no such correlation. A good ball-handling team can be safe with the ball at any speed, while a crummy ball-handling team is going to cough it up no matter the pace.
I've found that teams that shoot early in a possession are less likely to commit a turnover than those who pass the ball around a lot. Kind of a generalization, but often true. I think there's a trade-off : either you take the first or second open look and commit few turnovers or you work the ball around for a higher pct shot, but commit more turnovers in the process.
A side issue: offensive fouls are turnovers too, but they can occur in a fast or slow offense.
I think turnovers can just as easily occur for a slow offense as for a fast offense. I've seen many turnovers committed when a slow team insists on feeding the low post even when the defense has collapsed onto the low post player.
You're thinking (correct me as needed) that pushing the ball up the court can result in turnovers, and that it's safer to bring it up slowly. I'd say that there is no such correlation. A good ball-handling team can be safe with the ball at any speed, while a crummy ball-handling team is going to cough it up no matter the pace.
I've found that teams that shoot early in a possession are less likely to commit a turnover than those who pass the ball around a lot. Kind of a generalization, but often true. I think there's a trade-off : either you take the first or second open look and commit few turnovers or you work the ball around for a higher pct shot, but commit more turnovers in the process.
A side issue: offensive fouls are turnovers too, but they can occur in a fast or slow offense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 03:52:41 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PMQuote from: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
While this may have been something of a "down" year for the MIAC I would be hesitant to state that there's "no comparison" between the two conferences. While UW-Stevens Point impressed me very much when they beat UST (St. Thomas) in St. Paul back in the early part of the season, keep in mind that GAC did beat UW-River Falls in their matchup at about the same time as well. Unfortunately, because of scheduling quirks in the MIAC, we don't get to play as many non-conference games as we should/need to get more recognition by the NCAA Tournament Committee.
I wouldn't hesitate to say this is a down year for the MIAC, but I'd say talent level on a yearly basis is usually very similar. The MIAC has proven to have some very good teams over the years.
That being said, the style of the play between the two conferences is night and day. The WIAC looks like football compared to the MIAC.
I'd be curious to what degree that is a difference in what refs allow, as opposed to 'innate' differences in style - any speculation?
From what I've seen, the refs seem to allow a lot more of a physical style in the WIAC and that drives the teams to play a little more wreckless when defending, going after loose balls, blocking shots, etc...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 08:58:36 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 08:16:16 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 03:52:41 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PMQuote from: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
While this may have been something of a "down" year for the MIAC I would be hesitant to state that there's "no comparison" between the two conferences. While UW-Stevens Point impressed me very much when they beat UST (St. Thomas) in St. Paul back in the early part of the season, keep in mind that GAC did beat UW-River Falls in their matchup at about the same time as well. Unfortunately, because of scheduling quirks in the MIAC, we don't get to play as many non-conference games as we should/need to get more recognition by the NCAA Tournament Committee.
I wouldn't hesitate to say this is a down year for the MIAC, but I'd say talent level on a yearly basis is usually very similar. The MIAC has proven to have some very good teams over the years.
That being said, the style of the play between the two conferences is night and day. The WIAC looks like football compared to the MIAC.
I'd be curious to what degree that is a difference in what refs allow, as opposed to 'innate' differences in style - any speculation?
From what I've seen, the refs seem to allow a lot more of a physical style in the WIAC and that drives the teams to play a little more wreckless when defending, going after loose balls, blocking shots, etc...
Kind of what I figured. Elite athletes are likely to play as 'rough' as they can get away with. Teams WILL differ depending on whether they are 3-point oriented or 'slasher' oriented (as well as guards vs. 'bigs' oriented), but there is also a heavy component due to officiating. Are MIAC and WIAC refs pretty much separate pools?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 02, 2011, 11:16:03 PM
Post by: billys on March 02, 2011, 11:16:03 PM
Actually my line of thinking is just have more possessions, therefore more of everything statistically. Odds of TO's with a typically team at normal pace are maybe a every 6-7 possession? I think it's hard to have that many extra possessions, let's say 25 more than teams at normal pace, that's likely 3-4 extra turnovers at a regular rate. Mount Union is 10th nationally. If you play high possession games I just think it's very impressive.
I agree with everything else you say. I just know the faster pace teams I'm familiar with at this level; Whitewater, Stout, and Illinois Wesleyan seem to be up around 17-20 TO's per game when it's all said and done. If Mount Union gets up and down like these teams 14 is a great number.
Olivet Nazarene takes as many quick shots as anyone with their "system" style and still averages around 24 TO's. I just think law of averages says more possessions=more turnovers (and points, and shots, and rebounds, etc.). That is really the only reason.
I agree with everything else you say. I just know the faster pace teams I'm familiar with at this level; Whitewater, Stout, and Illinois Wesleyan seem to be up around 17-20 TO's per game when it's all said and done. If Mount Union gets up and down like these teams 14 is a great number.
Olivet Nazarene takes as many quick shots as anyone with their "system" style and still averages around 24 TO's. I just think law of averages says more possessions=more turnovers (and points, and shots, and rebounds, etc.). That is really the only reason.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 03, 2011, 07:38:02 AM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 03, 2011, 07:38:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 08:58:36 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 08:16:16 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 02, 2011, 03:52:41 PMQuote from: WithasilentK on March 02, 2011, 03:42:47 PMQuote from: LA RAMS on March 02, 2011, 01:51:39 PMQuote from: PRF2009A on March 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
It would not be the craziest thing in the world if Point lost to Concordia, but as billys said I'm not hesitating too much making that pick. There are not too many cases that I would pick a MIAC squad to beat a WIAC squad. After watching a lot of both conferences the last 4 years there's no comparison.
While this may have been something of a "down" year for the MIAC I would be hesitant to state that there's "no comparison" between the two conferences. While UW-Stevens Point impressed me very much when they beat UST (St. Thomas) in St. Paul back in the early part of the season, keep in mind that GAC did beat UW-River Falls in their matchup at about the same time as well. Unfortunately, because of scheduling quirks in the MIAC, we don't get to play as many non-conference games as we should/need to get more recognition by the NCAA Tournament Committee.
I wouldn't hesitate to say this is a down year for the MIAC, but I'd say talent level on a yearly basis is usually very similar. The MIAC has proven to have some very good teams over the years.
That being said, the style of the play between the two conferences is night and day. The WIAC looks like football compared to the MIAC.
I'd be curious to what degree that is a difference in what refs allow, as opposed to 'innate' differences in style - any speculation?
From what I've seen, the refs seem to allow a lot more of a physical style in the WIAC and that drives the teams to play a little more wreckless when defending, going after loose balls, blocking shots, etc...
Kind of what I figured. Elite athletes are likely to play as 'rough' as they can get away with. Teams WILL differ depending on whether they are 3-point oriented or 'slasher' oriented (as well as guards vs. 'bigs' oriented), but there is also a heavy component due to officiating. Are MIAC and WIAC refs pretty much separate pools?
My guess would be separate pools, but that's just a guess.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
A nervous, sloppy start to the UWW-MUC game. 6-6 13min 1st half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2011, 05:34:46 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2011, 05:34:46 PM
29-27 Mount Union at the half. WARHAWKS are their own worst enemy with 15 first half turnovers. Actually it's remarkable they're even close turning the ball over like that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 05:36:06 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 05:36:06 PM
At the half:
MUC leads UWW 29-27. UWW outshooting them 48% to 34% but has turned it over 15 times compared to just 7 for MUC
MUC leads UWW 29-27. UWW outshooting them 48% to 34% but has turned it over 15 times compared to just 7 for MUC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 04, 2011, 05:49:26 PM
Post by: voice on March 04, 2011, 05:49:26 PM
What has really carried UWW in the first half was a 23-13 rebounding advantage. MTU is much more passive rebouding the basketball.
Voice live from suburban Cincinnati
Voice live from suburban Cincinnati
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 04, 2011, 06:15:29 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 04, 2011, 06:15:29 PM
UWL down 13-11 with 10 min left in 1st half. Sloppy start for UWL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2011, 06:21:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2011, 06:21:22 PM
Season over
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 06:26:01 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2011, 06:21:22 PM
Season over
Too bad to hear, congrats to the UWW seniors on their season.
UWL down 5, turning the ball over too much, but so is Lutheran.
Side note: not sure how you get Lorenzo from Litrenta...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
WLC 28, LaCrosse 21, Half (Your Eagles are still hanging around)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
UWL down 7 at half. Shooting 0-7 from 3 pt land, need to start hitting in the second half, or start taking higher percentage shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
WIAC in real trouble of going 0-2 early on as WLC leads UWL, 60-49, with 4min left
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 07:37:14 PM
UWL falls. It's too bad, they played well in the last 10 minutes of the half but couldn't close the gap. Had they played that way the entire game, it may have been a different story. Credit to Lutheran, they were poised, confident, and played well the entire game. It's been a lot of fun to follow these UWL seniors, congrats to all of them, they should be very proud of the way they've played this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Gotta wonder, remember that foul (at about 8 min left in 2nd half) that at first was thought to be called on WLC's 41 but was assigned to another Warrior (I was listening to the WLC feed) -- had the Warriors' other tall fould out earlier-- Didn't think WLC would out-rebound the Eagles either-
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 09:33:54 PM
Post by: WithasilentK on March 04, 2011, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
Gotta wonder, remember that foul (at about 8 min left in 2nd half) that at first was thought to be called on WLC's 41 but was assigned to another Warrior (I was listening to the WLC feed) -- had the Warriors' other tall fould out earlier-- Didn't think WLC would out-rebound the Eagles either-
Yes, it was a big foul that they didn't give to the post defender from WLC. Would've been tougher for WLC to guard UWL down low then. However, I take what announcers say regarding fouls with a grain of salt, they don't always have a great view, and it's only one view of the field.
Areed with the rebounding. When you're taking long shots and missing like UWL was for the first 30 minutes, you're going to get more long rebounds, taking away the post advantage UWL had. Pure conjecture as to where the rebounds actually landed because I was only listening to the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 09:43:20 PM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2011, 09:43:20 PM
Point wins over St Norbert, 79-69.
Point got out to a quick lead and led by about 15 halfway through the 1st half. SNU came storming back, getting the deficit down to 1 numerous times. Point quickly regained control early in the 2nd. Point plays Simpson, who had to stave off a Concordia rally late in the game.
For awhile I thoughts that WIAC may go 0-for tonight.
Point got out to a quick lead and led by about 15 halfway through the 1st half. SNU came storming back, getting the deficit down to 1 numerous times. Point quickly regained control early in the 2nd. Point plays Simpson, who had to stave off a Concordia rally late in the game.
For awhile I thoughts that WIAC may go 0-for tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2011, 12:31:07 AM
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2011, 12:31:07 AM
Some credit to St Norb's but SP really dominated the game. They ran and ran and hit allot of big 3s. Simpson will be a cake walk for Point. They should win by at least 20. Simpson and Concordia, MN were both very sloppy and pretty much one dimensional. I also saw Shirley taking notes in the corner during the Simpson-Concordia game. I still see SP getting to the semi finals. Good year for young WW and LAX.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2011, 12:44:27 AM
Point beat Simpson 78-60 early this season on a neutral floor. I don't know anything about Simpson (other than Lisa and Bart run a killer pick-and-roll), but I know when Egner gets an opponent the second time around her game plans are usually well sharpened. I think the Pointers win by 20.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2011, 10:33:13 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2011, 10:33:13 PM
Point gets it done 82-75. UWSP led the vast majority of the game but never totally blew away the Storm (pun intended).
Sectional will be Coe vs. Ill. Wesleyan and UWSP vs. Louisiana College/George Fox winner. Geography will eliminate anyone not in the Midwest. Coe and IWU are both #1 ranked teams in the last regional poll that was made public. UWSP was a #2 behind IWU. I wonder if Coe's gym qualifies for a sectional? If so, I'd wager they'd give it Coe, in part because IWU had it last year.
Sectional will be Coe vs. Ill. Wesleyan and UWSP vs. Louisiana College/George Fox winner. Geography will eliminate anyone not in the Midwest. Coe and IWU are both #1 ranked teams in the last regional poll that was made public. UWSP was a #2 behind IWU. I wonder if Coe's gym qualifies for a sectional? If so, I'd wager they'd give it Coe, in part because IWU had it last year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 06, 2011, 10:56:17 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 06, 2011, 10:56:17 AM
I doubt that would give it to Coe just because Illinois Wesleyan had it last year. If they get it this year then they earned it with their on court record.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on March 06, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on March 06, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
According to the NCAA Div. 3 Womens Bracket on the NCAA site, UWSP will host next weekends games!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 06, 2011, 01:48:03 PM
Post by: buf on March 06, 2011, 01:48:03 PM
Quote from: BanditUWSP on March 06, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
According to the NCAA Div. 3 Womens Bracket on the NCAA site, UWSP will host next weekends games!!!
The women's sectionals will be hosted at Thomas More, UW-Stevens Point, Amherst and Lebanon Valley.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
NCAA website says "Berg Gym" but I assume they'll play the Sectional round in Quandt like in the past. I'm not sure Berg meets the capacity requirement for a sectional anymore.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: John Gleich on March 07, 2011, 10:41:04 PM
Post by: John Gleich on March 07, 2011, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
NCAA website says "Berg Gym" but I assume they'll play the Sectional round in Quandt like in the past. I'm not sure Berg meets the capacity requirement for a sectional anymore.
I'm sure that this wasn't done to thumb their noses at you JB... but here's the current top story on UWSP's website:
Road to the Final Four goes through Berg Gym (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2011/3/7/WBB_0307113424.aspx?path=wbball)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2011, 10:58:56 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 07, 2011, 10:58:56 PM
I am surprised, but I was there in 2002 at the sectional in Berg and it was fantastic. I guess the team wanted their true home court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2011, 11:07:10 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2011, 11:07:10 PM
Last year, UWSP knocked BOTH Titan teams out of the tourney. This year I predicted they would do in the men again, but the Tommies beat you to it.
Lady Titans, it is REVENGE time. :D Regional stats say it should be Shirk, but you beat 'em in Berg once before; do it again! 8-)
Lady Titans, it is REVENGE time. :D Regional stats say it should be Shirk, but you beat 'em in Berg once before; do it again! 8-)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2011, 12:58:22 AM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2011, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
Their final flip-flop on IWU/ UWSP explains why UWSP is hosting the sectional. As I expressed 3 weeks ago, I was kinda surprised that IWU was still ahead of UWSP. But I call foul on switching them NOW. Between the times the last published rankings were considered and these FINALLY published standings come out, UWSP went 2-0, IWU went 3-0.
I can see no reason by their criteria why the sectional is not in Bloomington, but it is not a big deal (just another inconsistency from the selection committee). Stacey, Nikki, Olivia, Hope, Holly, etc., just get it done - you're hosting the FF, be good hosts and SHOW UP this year! :o ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: iwumichigander on March 08, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: iwumichigander on March 08, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AMNoticed the regional score form not tagged for final rating. Any indication when the committee will provide it? Was there any explanation why, after four consecutive weeks the committee ranked IWU #1 and UWSP #2, it reversed the two teams?
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
I can rationalize either team at #1; but, for the committee to release the ranking after the tournament started and before the sectional host pick provides more questions than answers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 08, 2011, 10:53:42 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 08, 2011, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: iwumichigander on March 08, 2011, 10:50:00 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AMNoticed the regional score form not tagged for final rating. Any indication when the committee will provide it? Was there any explanation why, after four consecutive weeks the committee ranked IWU #1 and UWSP #2, it reversed the two teams?
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
I can rationalize either team at #1; but, for the committee to release the ranking after the tournament started and before the sectional host pick provides more questions than answers.
Typically they don't release the final rankings at all, so consider this a step forward.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 08, 2011, 11:24:14 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 08, 2011, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2011, 12:58:22 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
Their final flip-flop on IWU/ UWSP explains why UWSP is hosting the sectional. As I expressed 3 weeks ago, I was kinda surprised that IWU was still ahead of UWSP. But I call foul on switching them NOW. Between the times the last published rankings were considered and these FINALLY published standings come out, UWSP went 2-0, IWU went 3-0.
The only thing that changed was who IWU was playing. The beat three teams who weren't ranked in the regional rankings while SP beat WW, who was ranked 3rd. I think it is clear that this win bumped them ahead of IWU giving them more regional ranked wins.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on March 08, 2011, 11:28:02 AM
Post by: BanditUWSP on March 08, 2011, 11:28:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2011, 12:58:22 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
Their final flip-flop on IWU/ UWSP explains why UWSP is hosting the sectional. As I expressed 3 weeks ago, I was kinda surprised that IWU was still ahead of UWSP. But I call foul on switching them NOW. Between the times the last published rankings were considered and these FINALLY published standings come out, UWSP went 2-0, IWU went 3-0.
I can see no reason by their criteria why the sectional is not in Bloomington, but it is not a big deal (just another inconsistency from the selection committee). Stacey, Nikki, Olivia, Hope, Holly, etc., just get it done - you're hosting the FF, be good hosts and SHOW UP this year! :o ;D
Just wondering...your two statements on the sectional seem to contradict one another. If the selection committee looks at the latest rankings, shouldn't Point be the host? What criteria are you referring to that would have the sectional in Bloomington?
If you make the trip to Point this weekend, I hope you enjoy the atmosphere of playoff basketball at the Berg.
:)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 08, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
Post by: billys on March 08, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 08, 2011, 11:24:14 AMNot to mention their last regular season win was against UWL, another ranked team ... so they could have seriously closed the gap after that week, then passed them the week after by beating WW.Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2011, 12:58:22 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
Their final flip-flop on IWU/ UWSP explains why UWSP is hosting the sectional. As I expressed 3 weeks ago, I was kinda surprised that IWU was still ahead of UWSP. But I call foul on switching them NOW. Between the times the last published rankings were considered and these FINALLY published standings come out, UWSP went 2-0, IWU went 3-0.
The only thing that changed was who IWU was playing. The beat three teams who weren't ranked in the regional rankings while SP beat WW, who was ranked 3rd. I think it is clear that this win bumped them ahead of IWU giving them more regional ranked wins.
For a full body of work I think it makes sense how they could pass them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 09:31:32 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on March 08, 2011, 10:50:00 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AMNoticed the regional score form not tagged for final rating. Any indication when the committee will provide it? Was there any explanation why, after four consecutive weeks the committee ranked IWU #1 and UWSP #2, it reversed the two teams?
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
I can rationalize either team at #1; but, for the committee to release the ranking after the tournament started and before the sectional host pick provides more questions than answers.
They sent them -- in my haste to get on to more pressing matters, I didn't post them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: iwumichigander on March 09, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: iwumichigander on March 09, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 08, 2011, 11:24:14 AMSP over WW may have done it as it bumps up for SP both wins against regionally ranked (primary) and wins against all Div III ranked (secondary). Pat does have the final regional score card but has not had time to post it on the regional ranking page. No hurry Pat but would be interesting to see the final results.Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 08, 2011, 12:58:22 AMQuote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2011, 12:15:18 AM
The committee finally gave us its final rankings today. Would have been helpful a week ago.
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/03/01/ncaas-final-regional-ranking/
Their final flip-flop on IWU/ UWSP explains why UWSP is hosting the sectional. As I expressed 3 weeks ago, I was kinda surprised that IWU was still ahead of UWSP. But I call foul on switching them NOW. Between the times the last published rankings were considered and these FINALLY published standings come out, UWSP went 2-0, IWU went 3-0.
The only thing that changed was who IWU was playing. The beat three teams who weren't ranked in the regional rankings while SP beat WW, who was ranked 3rd. I think it is clear that this win bumped them ahead of IWU giving them more regional ranked wins.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 11, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Post by: buf on March 11, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Point loses, 71-63. Point finishes with 3 loses on the year, all at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 09:54:45 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: buf on March 11, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Point loses, 71-63. Point finishes with 3 loses on the year, all at home.
Gosh darn it - the Titans wanted to give you the 2nd and 3rd losses, so you could also be 0-3 against the CCIW! :o :D Curse you, George Fox! ;D
We'll try our best (for the Central region) to avenge your loss. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 12, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 12, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
I think what Ypsi was trying to say was great season to the Pointers. Nothing to hang your heads about....at least that is what someone with a little class would say ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 12, 2011, 10:53:16 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 12, 2011, 10:53:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 09:54:45 PMQuote from: buf on March 11, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Point loses, 71-63. Point finishes with 3 loses on the year, all at home.
Gosh darn it - the Titans wanted to give you the 2nd and 3rd losses, so you could also be 0-3 against the CCIW! :o :D Curse you, George Fox! ;D
We'll try our best (for the Central region) to avenge your loss. ;)
Classy post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 12, 2011, 12:39:57 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 12, 2011, 12:39:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2011, 09:54:45 PMQuote from: buf on March 11, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
Point loses, 71-63. Point finishes with 3 loses on the year, all at home.
Gosh darn it - the Titans wanted to give you the 2nd and 3rd losses, so you could also be 0-3 against the CCIW! :o :D Curse you, George Fox! ;D
We'll try our best (for the Central region) to avenge your loss. ;)
Not surprised by the post. It seems like IWU fans have a sense of entitlement for some reason. I am not sure if it comes from their head coach or just the athletic program in general, but obviously I am not the only one who noticed it. Nothing wrong with congratulating a team that won, but don't poke fun of the team that lost.
I always thought it was easier to win with class. But apparently Ypsi just proved me wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 12, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
Post by: Hoosier Titan on March 12, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I'm not going to try to speak for Mr. Ypsi--he can do that for himself!--but please don't generalize about all of a team's fans because of one comment. I think he was trying to be humorous and it obviously didn't work.
Sorry if you think "IWU fans" feel entitled. Could you please be more explicit about why you think that? Particularly, why would you single out Mia Smith or Dennie Bridges, who have had nothing to do with this discussion? Several of us--and many people across the country, not just at IWU or in the CCIW--questioned the NCAA committee's decision to put the sectional at SP, and I think there were valid reasons for asking those questions. Once the data were out, it was clear why the decision was made. Lots of us made comments about our respect for Stevens Point and that it would be a great sectional no matter where it was played, and that is turning out to be true.
I have the highest respect for Stevens Point, their team, and their coach. Did they deserve to host? Yes. Did IWU deserve to host? Yes, and they were just nosed out by a team with a higher number of in-region wins. So be it. If being proud of your team is "entitlement," then I think both sets of fans have it, and rightly so.
Sorry if you think "IWU fans" feel entitled. Could you please be more explicit about why you think that? Particularly, why would you single out Mia Smith or Dennie Bridges, who have had nothing to do with this discussion? Several of us--and many people across the country, not just at IWU or in the CCIW--questioned the NCAA committee's decision to put the sectional at SP, and I think there were valid reasons for asking those questions. Once the data were out, it was clear why the decision was made. Lots of us made comments about our respect for Stevens Point and that it would be a great sectional no matter where it was played, and that is turning out to be true.
I have the highest respect for Stevens Point, their team, and their coach. Did they deserve to host? Yes. Did IWU deserve to host? Yes, and they were just nosed out by a team with a higher number of in-region wins. So be it. If being proud of your team is "entitlement," then I think both sets of fans have it, and rightly so.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2011, 01:40:39 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2011, 01:40:39 PM
I apologize for an attempt at humor that obviously went over like a lead balloon. :-[
UWSP knocked both our men's and women's teams out of the tourney last year. I was really hoping for a chance at 'revenge', but the Tommies took out our men before the matchup, and now GF prematurely ousted your women. I meant no disrespect to the team that is starting to give me a complex! ;)
UWSP knocked both our men's and women's teams out of the tourney last year. I was really hoping for a chance at 'revenge', but the Tommies took out our men before the matchup, and now GF prematurely ousted your women. I meant no disrespect to the team that is starting to give me a complex! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 12, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 12, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Hoosier Titan on March 12, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I'm not going to try to speak for Mr. Ypsi--he can do that for himself!--but please don't generalize about all of a team's fans because of one comment. I think he was trying to be humorous and it obviously didn't work.
Sorry if you think "IWU fans" feel entitled. Could you please be more explicit about why you think that? Particularly, why would you single out Mia Smith or Dennie Bridges, who have had nothing to do with this discussion? Several of us--and many people across the country, not just at IWU or in the CCIW--questioned the NCAA committee's decision to put the sectional at SP, and I think there were valid reasons for asking those questions. Once the data were out, it was clear why the decision was made. Lots of us made comments about our respect for Stevens Point and that it would be a great sectional no matter where it was played, and that is turning out to be true.
I have the highest respect for Stevens Point, their team, and their coach. Did they deserve to host? Yes. Did IWU deserve to host? Yes, and they were just nosed out by a team with a higher number of in-region wins. So be it. If being proud of your team is "entitlement," then I think both sets of fans have it, and rightly so.
I was able to take in the games last night. Just Coach Smith walking onto the court and berating the officials before halftime really turned me off. Now I believe Bridges was in the stands watching the whole thing.
And the comments about the Coe game on Hoopsville, where she credited Coe with running a great motion offense, then being worried about her team sometimes playing down to an opponent. It might be an honest answer about the game, but also puts down a team. No need for it in my book.
Just turned me off of her and their team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on March 12, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
Post by: billys on March 12, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
Without a horse in the race I will say coming on the board and saying, "I'm sorry your team lost because I wanted my team to end your season" is neither funny or very respectful. If I were a Point fan I wouldn't take that well either.
Considering they had a tremendous season ended and the wounds are fresh I'm not sure even good humor is appropriate from a school still alive.
Great season Pointers! Impressive run through the league again. As someone mentioned, their margins got bigger it seems the more they saw teams. Normally it gets tougher for the better team as people get extra looks at you and the target gets bigger. That's a testament to the staff and those kids.
Here's to a great off-season for the WIAC on the recruiting trail, in the weight room, and in the classroom.
Another fan year to be a fan of this league.
Considering they had a tremendous season ended and the wounds are fresh I'm not sure even good humor is appropriate from a school still alive.
Great season Pointers! Impressive run through the league again. As someone mentioned, their margins got bigger it seems the more they saw teams. Normally it gets tougher for the better team as people get extra looks at you and the target gets bigger. That's a testament to the staff and those kids.
Here's to a great off-season for the WIAC on the recruiting trail, in the weight room, and in the classroom.
Another fan year to be a fan of this league.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 12, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 12, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 12, 2011, 01:49:00 PMQuote from: Hoosier Titan on March 12, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I'm not going to try to speak for Mr. Ypsi--he can do that for himself!--but please don't generalize about all of a team's fans because of one comment. I think he was trying to be humorous and it obviously didn't work.
Sorry if you think "IWU fans" feel entitled. Could you please be more explicit about why you think that? Particularly, why would you single out Mia Smith or Dennie Bridges, who have had nothing to do with this discussion? Several of us--and many people across the country, not just at IWU or in the CCIW--questioned the NCAA committee's decision to put the sectional at SP, and I think there were valid reasons for asking those questions. Once the data were out, it was clear why the decision was made. Lots of us made comments about our respect for Stevens Point and that it would be a great sectional no matter where it was played, and that is turning out to be true.
I have the highest respect for Stevens Point, their team, and their coach. Did they deserve to host? Yes. Did IWU deserve to host? Yes, and they were just nosed out by a team with a higher number of in-region wins. So be it. If being proud of your team is "entitlement," then I think both sets of fans have it, and rightly so.
I was able to take in the games last night. Just Coach Smith walking onto the court and berating the officials before halftime really turned me off. Now I believe Bridges was in the stands watching the whole thing.
And the comments about the Coe game on Hoopsville, where she credited Coe with running a great motion offense, then being worried about her team sometimes playing down to an opponent. It might be an honest answer about the game, but also puts down a team. No need for it in my book.
Just turned me off of her and their team.
Although I normally wouldn't lump all fans in with a few because of a comment, and I understand that all may not be at fault but I will say this. I was lucky enough to witness a great comeback by a good veteran IWU team tonight at UWSP. George Fox put up a heck of a fight but just didn't have enough left in the tank. With that being said ...I had a lot of teachable moments tonight with my daughter in the stands and where we were sitting on how NOT to act while watching a basketball game...I won't get into too many specifics, but I think all the yelling at the refs being put aside, some of the UWSP players were leaving the gym once the final horn went off and I heard a IWU fan yell " How did you like that game girls?" right at them....I turned to see who it was and to my surprise it was NOT a student it was an adult. And along with that they were lucky to not get charged over as the IWU parents rushed the floor. How embarassing. Which is too bad...and to think at half I was telling my daughter how impressed I was that the UWSP players even came to the game. I bet their coach is probably regretting even letting them come if she knew they would have been treated like that.
With all the nonsense outside of the lines of the court great game by both teams. As far as the basketball game went we definitely got our moneys worth tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: sumfun on March 13, 2011, 07:24:13 AM
Post by: sumfun on March 13, 2011, 07:24:13 AM
That's too bad. That doesn't bode well for good behavior as they host the Final Four. Last year they were gracious hosts, but they didn't have a team in the mix.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 11:39:55 AM
That is too bad. I was also at the game. I really felt for George Fox at the end. On top of losing the game, they had to wait 3-5 minutes to shake the hands of the Titans after their parents and friends rushed the court after the final buzzer.
Shows the class of the Bruins. Instead of just going into the locker room without shaking hands, they waited for the Titans to finally remember the sportsmanship of the game and shake hands.
And not all the Titan fans are jerks. At one point there was a Titan adult getting up and screaming at the refs. To my delight one of the elder Titan fans told him to sit down and not be a fanatic, but a fan. That fan then walked across the gym and started screaming from the other side. At least a couple Titan fans get it.
Shows the class of the Bruins. Instead of just going into the locker room without shaking hands, they waited for the Titans to finally remember the sportsmanship of the game and shake hands.
And not all the Titan fans are jerks. At one point there was a Titan adult getting up and screaming at the refs. To my delight one of the elder Titan fans told him to sit down and not be a fanatic, but a fan. That fan then walked across the gym and started screaming from the other side. At least a couple Titan fans get it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2011, 07:00:25 PM
For some reason I was able to recognize the intended humor in Yipsi's post. Perhaps it's because I'm familiar with Yipsi's reputation on these forums. He isn't a poster to come in and take shots at other programs. Admittedly my experience with IWU fans is limited and it's only those who follow the men's program. But I've found them to be very passionate and quite honestly I wouldn't have to hard of a time to tell you stories about Point's fans or even those of my own WARHAWKS. People get emotional and committed sometimes that leads them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. That's part of being a human being. Making a big deal out of it and generalizing it to all of them is silly imo.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 09:54:55 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 09:54:55 PM
Well there is no way we can't say they are not passionate. Ypsi's comment just seemed rude. If I was more familiar with his reputation then I could imagine I would be in your boat. Thanks for your opinion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2011, 10:12:26 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2011, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 09:54:55 PM
Well there is no way we can't say they are not passionate. Ypsi's comment just seemed rude. If I was more familiar with his reputation then I could imagine I would be in your boat. Thanks for your opinion.
I already apologized for the 'joke that died'. Let me again explain the background. Last year UWSP knocked but the Titan men and women out of the tournament. I was eagerly anticipating a chance to turn the tables. The Titan men couldn't achieve it - the Tommies knocked both our schools out. I was really expecting a women's IWU/UWSP showdown, and was disappointed it didn't happen. But I should not have come on here with my post so soon after your loss. Again, my apologies.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 10:40:55 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 13, 2011, 10:40:55 PM
No Problem. I understand. Good Luck to your Titans this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 15, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 15, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
WIAC well represented in the latest D3 Hoops Regional Teams. Congrats and Britta Petersen for being voted Central POY. Also, congrats to Hannah Mesick, Andrea Flease, Dana Churchill, and Dana Thompson being third team all region. Looks as if Frank was left off the teams, but I am not sure who I would take off. Everyone is just as deserving.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 16, 2011, 12:50:17 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 16, 2011, 12:50:17 PM
Anyone have any opinions of next year?
Impossible to imagine recruiting classes and transfers right now, but this is how I see it.
1. SP
2. WW
3. RF
4. Superior
5. EC
6. Platteville
7. Stout
8. La Crosse
9. Oshkosh
I think this is Superiors year to make the conference tournament. Good team coming back and had a couple really close games this year.
Always open for opinion.
Impossible to imagine recruiting classes and transfers right now, but this is how I see it.
1. SP
2. WW
3. RF
4. Superior
5. EC
6. Platteville
7. Stout
8. La Crosse
9. Oshkosh
I think this is Superiors year to make the conference tournament. Good team coming back and had a couple really close games this year.
Always open for opinion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2011, 03:21:48 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2011, 03:21:48 PM
I don't see Platteville and Superior climbing quite that high, although both should be better and I don't see La Crosse falling quite that far, although they will be worse.
PLT and SUP still have to learn how to win, even if they have the talent (and I don't think PLT has the talent yet anyway). LC faces the other problem, where the talent drop off is big, but they should be OK based on experience gained this year.
PLT and SUP still have to learn how to win, even if they have the talent (and I don't think PLT has the talent yet anyway). LC faces the other problem, where the talent drop off is big, but they should be OK based on experience gained this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 16, 2011, 03:50:41 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 16, 2011, 03:50:41 PM
Hey Just Bill,
You forgot to make some picks! Tell me what you think about order. I am just seeing what other people think. At this point of the season, it could be considered foolish to be picking, but it is something to do.
Look forward to seeing what people think.
You forgot to make some picks! Tell me what you think about order. I am just seeing what other people think. At this point of the season, it could be considered foolish to be picking, but it is something to do.
Look forward to seeing what people think.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 16, 2011, 04:24:04 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 16, 2011, 04:24:04 PM
Just based on players and points lost and returning, here are my projections:
1 UW River Falls
2 UW Stevens Point
3 UW Whitewater
4 UW Eau Claire
5 UW Superior
6 UW Stout
7 UW Platteville
8 UW Oshkosh
9 UW La Crosse
I realize that doesn't take into account, like Kitchen said, recruits and transfers, but with UWSP losing Petersen and Flease, Whitewater losing Thompson, and RF only losing 3 points a game and no starters, seems reasonable to me. It's going to be tough for EC losing Mesick but that will be nothing compared to LAX losing all five starters.
1 UW River Falls
2 UW Stevens Point
3 UW Whitewater
4 UW Eau Claire
5 UW Superior
6 UW Stout
7 UW Platteville
8 UW Oshkosh
9 UW La Crosse
I realize that doesn't take into account, like Kitchen said, recruits and transfers, but with UWSP losing Petersen and Flease, Whitewater losing Thompson, and RF only losing 3 points a game and no starters, seems reasonable to me. It's going to be tough for EC losing Mesick but that will be nothing compared to LAX losing all five starters.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on March 16, 2011, 04:38:37 PM
Post by: Bears rule on March 16, 2011, 04:38:37 PM
I have seen this before, poor SP and WW lost good players so they will not be as good. Both those teams 2nd unit could beat most teams.
I say the are 1-2 this next season based on returners.
Now lets see who transfers in/out and recruits.
I say the are 1-2 this next season based on returners.
Now lets see who transfers in/out and recruits.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
Congrats to the WARHAWKS women's wheelchair basketball team who in their third year as a program finished the season as national runners-up.
http://walworthcountytoday.com/news/2011/mar/16/warhawk-men-reclaim-national-wheelchair-basketball/
http://walworthcountytoday.com/news/2011/mar/16/warhawk-men-reclaim-national-wheelchair-basketball/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 16, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 16, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
Boy, it's not like I dropped them down very far, I have SP 2 and WW 3. I just think RF will be pretty good with all their starters returning. One thing that hurt RF this year was their first team all conference guard Tiffany Gregorich missing 6 games due to injury. And also, I don't think WW's 2nd unit could beat RF, the last time they played RF won.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Bears rule on March 16, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
Post by: Bears rule on March 16, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
Wilsonhoops, maybe I was to strong on that.
Transfer will impact next season.
Look at this past season.
SP Barber
WW?
LX Frank and one other
EC Christenson
RF ?
Oshkosh?
Stout Big player
Plat?
Sup?
I expect WW and LX and EC to have impact transfers next season
Transfer will impact next season.
Look at this past season.
SP Barber
WW?
LX Frank and one other
EC Christenson
RF ?
Oshkosh?
Stout Big player
Plat?
Sup?
I expect WW and LX and EC to have impact transfers next season
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 17, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 17, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Bears rule, I agree, transfers will have a big impact. LAX, from recent history and losing 5 starters I think will be most affected. Look at the year just ended, transfer Danielle Frank was arguably the most impactful player in the WIAC. Also, Kassie Robinson, a transfer from St. Thomas was their 6th man and will be their top returning player. She was the one that went 11 for 11 for 26pts in 18 minutes against Stout. I know the big player Stout got was Greta Layman from Mankato St., seems like they thought they would get a little more out of her than they did.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on March 18, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on March 18, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
1 UW Stevens Point
2 UW Whitewater
3 UW River Falls
4 UW Stout
5 UW Eau Claire
6 UW La Crosse
7 UW Platteville
8 UW Superior
9 UW Oshkosh
I'm going with this for now. I don't see Point or WW being moved too far. Also, I see Stout getting back on track after an off year.
UWL loses 5 starters which is of course a lot to overcome. They do however have a transfer from UW-Milwaukee who practiced with the team during the 2nd semester, but was ineligible to play until next year for some reason. Apparently she is a very solid player. Has a similar game to Churchill.
Combine her with Robinson, Salata, and Radowitz (sp?). Throw in a recruit or two that can play some quality minutes and this team should be respectible in the WIAC.
2 UW Whitewater
3 UW River Falls
4 UW Stout
5 UW Eau Claire
6 UW La Crosse
7 UW Platteville
8 UW Superior
9 UW Oshkosh
I'm going with this for now. I don't see Point or WW being moved too far. Also, I see Stout getting back on track after an off year.
UWL loses 5 starters which is of course a lot to overcome. They do however have a transfer from UW-Milwaukee who practiced with the team during the 2nd semester, but was ineligible to play until next year for some reason. Apparently she is a very solid player. Has a similar game to Churchill.
Combine her with Robinson, Salata, and Radowitz (sp?). Throw in a recruit or two that can play some quality minutes and this team should be respectible in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 18, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
Post by: JMM on March 18, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
next time:
Point
WW
RF
EC - See no improvement for next year, no speed, all turnover
PLT
OSH
LAX
Stout
Sup
Point
WW
RF
EC - See no improvement for next year, no speed, all turnover
PLT
OSH
LAX
Stout
Sup
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 18, 2011, 09:55:14 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on March 18, 2011, 09:55:14 PM
I just can't see Oshkosh being a top six team with all they are losing. Their seniors with Boeder and Churchill were tough players.
I agree with EC. And I think Stout and Superior will be better.
I agree with EC. And I think Stout and Superior will be better.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 19, 2011, 02:00:55 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on March 19, 2011, 02:00:55 PM
I agree, I also think Stout and Superior will be better. Seems like Stout improved as the season went on and I think Coach Mulhern at Superior is really working to improve that team. You can see him scouting for recruits at AAU type spring ball and he'll be the only coach there. Also his team is only losing about 12 points a game from last year so his team will be second in the WIAC in returning points to RF.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 23, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 23, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
If she is as successful as a coach as she was as a player Luther has made a very good hire.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/03/nechuta-hired-as-head-coach
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/03/nechuta-hired-as-head-coach
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 23, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 23, 2011, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 23, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
If she is as successful as a coach as she was as a player Luther has made a very good hire.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/03/nechuta-hired-as-head-coach
So happy for her. The Egner coaching tree is really starting to branch out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: wisconsinball on March 24, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Post by: wisconsinball on March 24, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Congratulations to the Michigan Tech womens basketball team on their win last night in the Division II semi-finals, they play Friday for the DII National Championship. Lots of Wisconsin players on the team, so it is great to see them do so well.
If I remember correctly, it seems like some posters questioned if players like Sam Hoyt (Durand) and Lucy Dernovsek (Lake Holcombe) should go there and should have stayed and played in the WIAC. Looks like they made a pretty good decision, both are starters and are key players for MTU.
Good luck in the Championship game!
If I remember correctly, it seems like some posters questioned if players like Sam Hoyt (Durand) and Lucy Dernovsek (Lake Holcombe) should go there and should have stayed and played in the WIAC. Looks like they made a pretty good decision, both are starters and are key players for MTU.
Good luck in the Championship game!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hoops2 on March 24, 2011, 12:10:40 PM
Post by: hoops2 on March 24, 2011, 12:10:40 PM
Congrats to Amanda on her first head coaching. Best of luck and I hope you can schedule UWSP sometime.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 25, 2011, 11:02:35 AM
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on March 25, 2011, 11:02:35 AM
Quote from: wisconsinball on March 24, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Congratulations to the Michigan Tech womens basketball team on their win last night in the Division II semi-finals, they play Friday for the DII National Championship. Lots of Wisconsin players on the team, so it is great to see them do so well.
If I remember correctly, it seems like some posters questioned if players like Sam Hoyt (Durand) and Lucy Dernovsek (Lake Holcombe) should go there and should have stayed and played in the WIAC. Looks like they made a pretty good decision, both are starters and are key players for MTU.
Good luck in the Championship game!
That's great to hear! UWGB and MTU still in the hunt! Any insight into what the former MTU coach is going to do after this season. That move to UW probably doesn't look as good now that Coach Stone was let go.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on March 31, 2011, 04:10:11 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on March 31, 2011, 04:10:11 PM
Stout has 11- 12 schedule up on website
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on April 01, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on April 01, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
Looks like Stout has a pretty interesting schedule. Starting off with Crown College, who might be the worst team in college basketball, then shortly after that having to play 2 D2's in St Cloud State and Winona State, and Winona might be one of the best teams in the NSIC. It also looks like they will have a tougher end to the conference schedule than last year, finishing with LAX, EC, SP, and Oshkosh as oppossed to Oshkosh, Superior, Platteville, and EC.
I've been looking for next year's schedules, I wish more teams had them out there.
I've been looking for next year's schedules, I wish more teams had them out there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on April 02, 2011, 09:15:46 PM
Post by: The Champ on April 02, 2011, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: WilsonHoops on April 01, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
Looks like Stout has a pretty interesting schedule. Starting off with Crown College, who might be the worst team in college basketball, then shortly after that having to play 2 D2's in St Cloud State and Winona State, and Winona might be one of the best teams in the NSIC. It also looks like they will have a tougher end to the conference schedule than last year, finishing with LAX, EC, SP, and Oshkosh as oppossed to Oshkosh, Superior, Platteville, and EC.
Is it that much tougher? Just going by the various posters rankings for next year, other than Point, it might be easier...
Point ends up with a 1.25 ranking (down from 1), EC has a 4.5 (down from 4) , LX a 7.5 (down from 3) and OK an 8 (down from 6).
Of course - projections mean absolutely nothing.
What I do like about the upcoming schedule - the start of the season is not as brutal as it was last year with the 1st four WIAC games being SP, WW, LX and RF. When you start 0 - 4, it makes thing tough.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on April 05, 2011, 02:03:17 PM
Post by: Lovinthe3ball on April 05, 2011, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 18, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
next time:
Point
WW
RF
EC - See no improvement for next year, no speed, all turnover
PLT
OSH
LAX
Stout
Sup
I would hopeEC has some improvement from last year. From what I saw at state tourney they are bring in 3-4 players that could fill their void in the 4 position. I didn't see Messick out much this year so I am not sure why they need 3-4 players for that position. But all those players that I read are going there are scorers so maybe that was the key draw for them.
My Predictions...
UWRF
UW WW
UWSP
UWO
UWLX
UWP
UWEC
UW Sup
UW Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on May 06, 2011, 10:14:41 PM
Post by: bulk19 on May 06, 2011, 10:14:41 PM
For those scoring along at home, a new, yet familiar, face will be gracing the UWL sidelines this fall...
Former UW-Platteville women's basketball coach Tina Kuhle (2004-10) has joined Lois Heeren's staff at UW-La Crosse as an assistant, the school announced Thursday.
Former UW-Platteville women's basketball coach Tina Kuhle (2004-10) has joined Lois Heeren's staff at UW-La Crosse as an assistant, the school announced Thursday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on May 11, 2011, 05:57:34 PM
Post by: BDB on May 11, 2011, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: WilsonHoops on April 01, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
Looks like Stout has a pretty interesting schedule. Starting off with Crown College, who might be the worst team in college basketball, then shortly after that having to play 2 D2's in St Cloud State and Winona State, and Winona might be one of the best teams in the NSIC.
Kelsey Andrist, daughter of UW-Stout Men's Basketball Head Coach Eddie Andrist, plays for Winona State which makes the game even more interesting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kate on May 12, 2011, 10:38:37 AM
Post by: kate on May 12, 2011, 10:38:37 AM
Hi Blue Devil Bob, no basketball here, but can't take my eyes off that pud :D!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on June 28, 2011, 09:49:59 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on June 28, 2011, 09:49:59 AM
Saw that a few more WIAC teams have their schedules out there, UWSP, UWRF, UWW, and UWL. Some of the interesting games are both UWSP and UWW playing Illinois Weslayan, 3rd in D3 last year, and UWW also playing the Badgers their first game of the season. One interesting scheduling thing I see for UWRF is they play Simpson from the IIAC, a team that made it to the 2nd round of the NCAA's, twice in the first month of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 06, 2011, 09:54:08 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 06, 2011, 09:54:08 AM
Well, practices start in a little over a week, anyone heard of any interesting roster moves? I was in the Dells in August watching that tournament with UWSP, UWW, UWSup, UWLax, UWRF, and UWEC in it and saw a lot of good basketball. Seems like UWW had their whole roster there but seemed a little weak in the post. With Dana gone, after Kumerow there wasn't much depth. Also, I heard UWLax is getting a D1 transfer, anyone heard that, know who that is?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 25, 2011, 10:20:08 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 25, 2011, 10:20:08 AM
Some of the WIAC teams are getting rosters up, here's what is out there so far:
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/roster.aspx?path=wcbball
http://www.uwsuper.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/roster.cfm
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
http://www.uwwsports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/roster.aspx?path=wcbball
http://www.uwsuper.edu/athletics/womens/basketball/roster.cfm
http://athletics.uwsp.edu/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
http://www.uwwsports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2011, 09:06:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on October 25, 2011, 09:06:41 PM
I happened to look at the UW Stout page today because I wanted to check when the "Basketball Bash" kickoff was.
In reviewing the new Stout roster - I don't think there is any doubt which team will have the youngest team in the WIAC.
Kind of got me nervous when I looked at all those Freshman... :o
Like most years, you feel the loss of your Seniors. Trish V was the only starter though, and will surely be missed! The other 3 Sr's had their roles, and were great to have on the team.
I took the time to analyze what is returning though - and started to feel a little better.
Stout had 4 players with over 200 points last year, Schoeder, Rawdon and Windt return (#2, #3 and #4).
Stout returns all 4 of their top 3 point shooters from last year, Windt, Schoeder, Daleiden and Hanley.
3 of the top 4 rebounders return - Hanley, Schoeder, Daleiden.
And Stout returns their #1, 3 and 4 "ballhawks" (steals) with Windt, Rawdon and Schoeder.
What Stout doesn't return is any double digit shot blockers. Either Rawdon will have to assume that role, or one of the new players - there are 3 recruits that are 6' or taller.
Will be looking forward to the "Bash" for a chance to meet the new members of the squad. There are a lot of young women that have a real opportunity to earn a lot of playing time as a Freshman!
In reviewing the new Stout roster - I don't think there is any doubt which team will have the youngest team in the WIAC.
Kind of got me nervous when I looked at all those Freshman... :o
Like most years, you feel the loss of your Seniors. Trish V was the only starter though, and will surely be missed! The other 3 Sr's had their roles, and were great to have on the team.
I took the time to analyze what is returning though - and started to feel a little better.
Stout had 4 players with over 200 points last year, Schoeder, Rawdon and Windt return (#2, #3 and #4).
Stout returns all 4 of their top 3 point shooters from last year, Windt, Schoeder, Daleiden and Hanley.
3 of the top 4 rebounders return - Hanley, Schoeder, Daleiden.
And Stout returns their #1, 3 and 4 "ballhawks" (steals) with Windt, Rawdon and Schoeder.
What Stout doesn't return is any double digit shot blockers. Either Rawdon will have to assume that role, or one of the new players - there are 3 recruits that are 6' or taller.
Will be looking forward to the "Bash" for a chance to meet the new members of the squad. There are a lot of young women that have a real opportunity to earn a lot of playing time as a Freshman!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on November 03, 2011, 09:11:13 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on November 03, 2011, 09:11:13 AM
Here are the official predictions from the SID's, seems to me like they have LAX pretty high for a team losing all 5 starters:
2011-12 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors
2010-11 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (6) 27-3 overall, 16-0 WIAC
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 21-7, 12-4
3. UW-River Falls (1) 16-11, 7-9
4. UW-Eau Claire 15-11, 9-7
5. UW-La Crosse 20-8, 12-4
6. UW-Stout 10-15, 5-11
7. UW-Oshkosh 12-14, 7-9
8. UW-Superior 8-17, 2-14
9. UW-Platteville 6-19, 2-14
( )--First-Place Votes
2011-12 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors
2010-11 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (6) 27-3 overall, 16-0 WIAC
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 21-7, 12-4
3. UW-River Falls (1) 16-11, 7-9
4. UW-Eau Claire 15-11, 9-7
5. UW-La Crosse 20-8, 12-4
6. UW-Stout 10-15, 5-11
7. UW-Oshkosh 12-14, 7-9
8. UW-Superior 8-17, 2-14
9. UW-Platteville 6-19, 2-14
( )--First-Place Votes
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2011, 10:16:38 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2011, 10:16:38 AM
WARHAWKS tip things off tonight with an exhibition against the BADGERS at the Kohl Center. While at least one poster has voiced the belief that we could beat them I don't hold out much hope of that. Hopefully we'll be able to be competitive and keep the score differential reasonable. But I expect we'll come out on the short end. Regardless it's a great experience for the team and something they'll remember long after their playing days are over.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 03, 2011, 09:22:27 PM
Post by: billys on November 03, 2011, 09:22:27 PM
WW turning them over tonight! 19 TO's for the Badgers in the first 24+ minutes.
Obviously it was WW's turn in the rotation for the WIAC. Considering the team they have this year, the Badgers might have gotten two of the non-D1 teams in the state they wouldn't want in the exhibition schedule.
Obviously it was WW's turn in the rotation for the WIAC. Considering the team they have this year, the Badgers might have gotten two of the non-D1 teams in the state they wouldn't want in the exhibition schedule.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on November 03, 2011, 09:56:42 PM
Post by: cubs on November 03, 2011, 09:56:42 PM
Anyone with a Whitewater score?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on November 03, 2011, 10:01:38 PM
Post by: BoBo on November 03, 2011, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: cubs on November 03, 2011, 09:56:42 PM
Anyone with a Whitewater score?
64-53 Badgers 2:47 remaining
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BoBo on November 03, 2011, 10:07:20 PM
Post by: BoBo on November 03, 2011, 10:07:20 PM
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70-54 Badgers FINAL
70-54 Badgers FINAL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 04, 2011, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 04, 2011, 10:47:00 AM
The WARHAWKS were a tad sluggish initially but got hot and took a 17-10 lead after about six minutes had elaspsed. However the BADGERS clamped down and went on 20-0 run that really was the deciding factor in the game. After that we got within 10 points at the half, 38-28. We did manage to get to within six, 46-40, with about 13 minutes to play in the second half and had chances to cut the lead down even more but couldn't hit shots and had a couple untimely turnovers. The sixteen point spread was the BADGERS biggest lead. As was to be expected they were a little bigger and deeper than we were.
There were some bright spots though. Kaitlyn Thill had 15 points and Mary Merg 14. Chantel Burg had 7 rebounds and we had 14 offensive rebounds. Our full court pressure was pretty effective as the BADGERS had 30 turnovers, 15 of which were steals (Thill, 5). We could have made a better game of it if we could have shot better (16 of 57 for 28%). The officiating didn't help us any. It seemed like every touch was a foul and the BADGERS made more free throws than we attempted.
All in all I didn't think it was a half bad showing by our ladies and I'm anxious to see what we can do in the WIAC this year. Also our fans made a good showing for themselves. There was a large contingency seated immediately behind our bench and in the Nicholas Center suite. I was hoping the score differential would be lower but considering everything we didn't look all that bad.
There were some bright spots though. Kaitlyn Thill had 15 points and Mary Merg 14. Chantel Burg had 7 rebounds and we had 14 offensive rebounds. Our full court pressure was pretty effective as the BADGERS had 30 turnovers, 15 of which were steals (Thill, 5). We could have made a better game of it if we could have shot better (16 of 57 for 28%). The officiating didn't help us any. It seemed like every touch was a foul and the BADGERS made more free throws than we attempted.
All in all I didn't think it was a half bad showing by our ladies and I'm anxious to see what we can do in the WIAC this year. Also our fans made a good showing for themselves. There was a large contingency seated immediately behind our bench and in the Nicholas Center suite. I was hoping the score differential would be lower but considering everything we didn't look all that bad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 04, 2011, 03:36:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 04, 2011, 03:36:41 PM
There could be several reasons and/or combinations of them. Some wondered if Thill would be ready to play at the beginning of the season due to her surgery so saving some wear and tear on her knee might have been in the mix. It's also possible that Coach C wanted to get a better look at some players as she figures what role they will play as the season progresses. This was a game that meant nothing really and an excellent opportunity to do that. Lastly our style of play requires frequent substitution to keep players fresh so playing a lot of players and even the starters having fewer minutes that might otherwise be the case is relatively typical of the team. Thill averaged 22.5 minutes a game last year, last night she played 27. I suppose there are other reasons which haven't crossed my mind that may be relevant too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2011, 07:44:27 PM
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2011, 07:44:27 PM
Heard about the passing of Lou Pitt, one of the WIAC's top women's basketball officials for many years. He worked the 1991 NCAA D-I title game between Tennessee and Virginia before coming home later in his career to work the local scene. One of the great characters of the WIAC. He'll be missed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
Sad to learn of Lou's passing. He was one of a kind.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2011, 03:13:18 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2011, 03:13:18 PM
Ladies, start your engines... let's drop the puck, er, batter up!
Whatever! ;)
Eight teams tip off tonight with non-conference games... lone exception are the Pointers...
Whatever! ;)
Eight teams tip off tonight with non-conference games... lone exception are the Pointers...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: quail1231 on November 15, 2011, 04:54:22 PM
Post by: quail1231 on November 15, 2011, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: WilsonHoops on November 03, 2011, 09:11:13 AM
Here are the official predictions from the SID's, seems to me like they have LAX pretty high for a team losing all 5 starters:
2011-12 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors
2010-11 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (6) 27-3 overall, 16-0 WIAC
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 21-7, 12-4
3. UW-River Falls (1) 16-11, 7-9
4. UW-Eau Claire 15-11, 9-7
5. UW-La Crosse 20-8, 12-4
6. UW-Stout 10-15, 5-11
7. UW-Oshkosh 12-14, 7-9
8. UW-Superior 8-17, 2-14
9. UW-Platteville 6-19, 2-14
( )--First-Place Votes
Isn't LAX always overrated in the preseason polls? Most overrated team in the WIAC year in and year out. Never a contender, even when they should be.
UWSP is going to go 16-0 again. And another deep run into the NCAA Tournament.
Good to see UW Sup isn't picked last. Hopefully they keep improving. They've got a good coach up there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2011, 10:49:03 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 15, 2011, 10:49:03 PM
UWEC wins on the road against St. Scholastic, 68-58; the Blugolds trailed 31-30 at the half...
Ellen Plendl had a nice game off the bench, with 15 points and 14 boards. Courtney Lewis chipped in 12 off the bench... Sarah Bingea leads all scorers with 16... St. Scholastic had a pair of players who chipped in 10 points each, Mariah Hovik and Laura Amys...
Stats that jumped out to me - Blugolds were only 3-22 from the three-point line (13.6 %) and had 25 turnovers...
The Blugolds are looking to be more athletic this season, and plan to go coast-to-coast more so than they have in recent seasons....
Ellen Plendl had a nice game off the bench, with 15 points and 14 boards. Courtney Lewis chipped in 12 off the bench... Sarah Bingea leads all scorers with 16... St. Scholastic had a pair of players who chipped in 10 points each, Mariah Hovik and Laura Amys...
Stats that jumped out to me - Blugolds were only 3-22 from the three-point line (13.6 %) and had 25 turnovers...
The Blugolds are looking to be more athletic this season, and plan to go coast-to-coast more so than they have in recent seasons....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2011, 08:05:57 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2011, 08:05:57 AM
Stout dominated last night, but it's just one game against a team of unknown strength.
19 players for Stout saw 5 minutes or more. None of the starters had more than 15 minutes. 6 backups had double digit minutes.
Final score was 95 - 33.
The key to the game was turnovers - Stout forced Crown into 56 turnovers while only commiting 13 of their own.
Freshman Ronnie Moltzau from Eleva led the Devils with 13 points, on 5 for 7 shooting and connecting on all 3 shots from from beyond the arc.
Freshman Shelby Sterba started for the Devils and was 3 for 5 shooting with 3 boards in 10 minutes. She did go 0 for 5 from the charity stripe - so she'll have to improve on that stat.
This is a very young team - it will be interesting to see which of the many freshman earn significant playing time.
Next game is Friday against Wartburg at Lakeland College's tourney.
19 players for Stout saw 5 minutes or more. None of the starters had more than 15 minutes. 6 backups had double digit minutes.
Final score was 95 - 33.
The key to the game was turnovers - Stout forced Crown into 56 turnovers while only commiting 13 of their own.
Freshman Ronnie Moltzau from Eleva led the Devils with 13 points, on 5 for 7 shooting and connecting on all 3 shots from from beyond the arc.
Freshman Shelby Sterba started for the Devils and was 3 for 5 shooting with 3 boards in 10 minutes. She did go 0 for 5 from the charity stripe - so she'll have to improve on that stat.
This is a very young team - it will be interesting to see which of the many freshman earn significant playing time.
Next game is Friday against Wartburg at Lakeland College's tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: The Champ on November 16, 2011, 08:05:57 AM
Final score was 95 - 33.
The key to the game was turnovers - Stout forced Crown into 56 turnovers while only commiting 13 of their own.
It's going to be REALLY hard to win when you have 23 more turnovers than points. I guess I can cross Crown off my team's that might win a national title list. (Just kidding, they weren't on that list in the first place.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2011, 10:14:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2011, 10:14:09 AM
The WARHAWKS opened the regular season with a convincing 82-60 win over Carroll University. WW jumped out to a 15-2 lead in the first five minutes but CU crawled back into the game and cut the lead to two points with about four minutes remaining in the half. WW finished the half with a mini-run and led by eight 37-29 when it ended. The WARHAWKS but the game away with a 24-5 run in the first seven minutes of the second half and after that the lead was never less than the final twentytwo points.
Mary Merg led all scorers with 17 points and added 7 rebounds. Courtney Kumerow finished with 16 points and led all rebounders with 8. CU couldn't match the WARHAWKS size and was outrebounded 48-33 including 19-13 on the offensive ends. Jamie Swanson and Emily Bestor each had 4 assists and Bestor finished with 4 of the WARHAWKS 14 steals.
The WARHAWKS will travel to Millikin University over the weekend to play Witworth and Millikin.
Mary Merg led all scorers with 17 points and added 7 rebounds. Courtney Kumerow finished with 16 points and led all rebounders with 8. CU couldn't match the WARHAWKS size and was outrebounded 48-33 including 19-13 on the offensive ends. Jamie Swanson and Emily Bestor each had 4 assists and Bestor finished with 4 of the WARHAWKS 14 steals.
The WARHAWKS will travel to Millikin University over the weekend to play Witworth and Millikin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2011, 10:22:04 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2011, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: The Champ on November 16, 2011, 08:05:57 AM
Stout dominated last night, but it's just one game against a team of unknown strength.
Unknown? Are you kidding me?
19 players for Stout saw 5 minutes or more. None of the starters had more than 15 minutes. 6 backups had double digit minutes.
Final score was 95 - 33.
The key to the game was turnovers - Stout forced Crown into 56 turnovers while only commiting 13 of their own.
OMG, 53! That stat alone should clear up any question of Crown's identity. They're a bad basketball team
Freshman Ronnie Moltzau from Eleva led the Devils with 13 points, on 5 for 7 shooting and connecting on all 3 shots from from beyond the arc.
Freshman Shelby Sterba started for the Devils and was 3 for 5 shooting with 3 boards in 10 minutes. She did go 0 for 5 from the charity stripe - so she'll have to improve on that stat.
This is a very young team - it will be interesting to see which of the many freshman earn significant playing time.
Looks like some of them are off to a good start.
Next game is Friday against Wartburg at Lakeland College's tourney.
This should resemble something more approaching a basketball game.
;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2011, 10:49:44 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2011, 10:49:44 AM
From now on, everytime I'm trying to describe a bad team, I'm going to use the phrase "team of unknown strength". In fantasy football this season, I definitely have a team of unknown strength. Yeah, that works. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 16, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
Hey guys... I was trying hard not to say anything bad about the opponent... ;)
As BW posted, Friday will tell me more about the team. I like another 50+ point win, but I'll be happy with a win where we learn more about some of the new players.
As BW posted, Friday will tell me more about the team. I like another 50+ point win, but I'll be happy with a win where we learn more about some of the new players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 16, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 16, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: quail1231 on November 15, 2011, 04:54:22 PMQuote from: WilsonHoops on November 03, 2011, 09:11:13 AM
Here are the official predictions from the SID's, seems to me like they have LAX pretty high for a team losing all 5 starters:
2011-12 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Sports Information Directors
2010-11 Record
1. UW-Stevens Point (6) 27-3 overall, 16-0 WIAC
2. UW-Whitewater (2) 21-7, 12-4
3. UW-River Falls (1) 16-11, 7-9
4. UW-Eau Claire 15-11, 9-7
5. UW-La Crosse 20-8, 12-4
6. UW-Stout 10-15, 5-11
7. UW-Oshkosh 12-14, 7-9
8. UW-Superior 8-17, 2-14
9. UW-Platteville 6-19, 2-14
( )--First-Place Votes
Isn't LAX always overrated in the preseason polls? Most overrated team in the WIAC year in and year out. Never a contender, even when they should be.UWSP is going to go 16-0 again. And another deep run into the NCAA Tournament.
Good to see UW Sup isn't picked last. Hopefully they keep improving. They've got a good coach up there.
I hope this is a joke. I'm going to reach wayyyy back to 2010-2011 when they were picked to finish 5th in the preseason and ended the season in a tie for 2nd and received a bid to the NCAA tourney.
That being said, 5th might be a little high for this team, but I don't see any strong cases for the teams ranked 6th or lower making huge improvements outside of Stout who you would just assume would be better this year with their history. Without looking at it too much I think it's the top 3 and then all the rest this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 16, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 16, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
was at the stout game crown only played 8 and seven were freshmen and the team was 0-25 last year and tallest on team was 5-8
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: quail1231 on November 17, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
Post by: quail1231 on November 17, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
PRF2009A, you are correct about last season. They did over-achieve when they went to the Tournament. However I still stand by my comments that they are in general the most over-rated program in the WIAC. Hoop junkie brings up a really good point that there are schools with a lot less resources than LAX has, yet they are more successful.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: quail1231 on November 17, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
Post by: quail1231 on November 17, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the UWO-Lawrence score from Tuesday night: Lawrence 56 UW-Oshkosh 65. Is UWO that bad that they can't pull away from a program that's won 3 games in 3 years? Lawrence lost to Marian by 30 last night. Looks like UWO will be competing with UW Sup for last place.
UWW's win over Carroll was impressive. I think Carroll averages almost 80 points a game in conference, not that that's saying much in the MWC though. But holding a team 20 points under their average is tough.
UWW's win over Carroll was impressive. I think Carroll averages almost 80 points a game in conference, not that that's saying much in the MWC though. But holding a team 20 points under their average is tough.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2011, 06:08:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 17, 2011, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on November 17, 2011, 02:24:33 PM
Just to clarify things, I think it's pretty obvious where Crown stands. More importantly, why is Stout scheduling them? I guess everyone needs a tune up game.
Probably for the same reason Superior did last year and River Falls the year before that. They were available.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on November 18, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Post by: PRF2009A on November 18, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: quail1231 on November 17, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
PRF2009A, you are correct about last season. They did over-achieve when they went to the Tournament. However I still stand by my comments that they are in general the most over-rated program in the WIAC. Hoop junkie brings up a really good point that there are schools with a lot less resources than LAX has, yet they are more successful.
No arguments here that they have not been successful overall, just pointing out that your initial comment and how you worded it was pretty much entirely incorrect.
What resources do you need to be successful in D3 Women's Basketball? I would argue that out of all collegiate sports it requires the some of the least amount of resources. If your comment was regarding the UWL football program I would completely agree that they should be able to do much more with all the factors that Hoop Junkie mentioned.
In my opinion the biggest factor for success at this level is a good coach. If they can recruit, generate some buzz, be embraced by the community, and be a factor on gameday the only resources needed are a ball and a court. Look at Stout and Point. They aren't successful because they have access to vast resources, it's because they have great coaches that have built great programs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on November 18, 2011, 11:08:02 PM
Post by: buf on November 18, 2011, 11:08:02 PM
EC wins a nailbiter, 64-62. EC trailed most of the game but made the plays down the stretch to pull it out. Both Plendl and Bingea had good games. Plendl had 15pts (6-6) & 17rebs while Bingea scored 23 on 11-16 shooting. Need to get these two the ball more.
EC has had a rough start, but are 2-0. Very tough opponent tomorrow, #17 IWU.
EC has had a rough start, but are 2-0. Very tough opponent tomorrow, #17 IWU.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
And if they only played the back 20 minutes of the first two games, UWEC would be 2-0...
Which they are, after Laura Olson hit a key three with 30 seconds left to put the Blugolds up 64-62, which was the final score...
Again, the threes were ugly, 4 of 19, but Olson hit the winner, and had her 6 points on two of them... Turnovers were a bit better, as they only had 18 this time around... Sarah Bingea had 23 to lead UWEC, followed by Ellen Plendl with 15 and Nicole Christianson with 11, and nine assists... Plendl had a monster night on the boards, with 18, as the team had a 38-23 advantage in that stat...
Ripon was lead in scoring by four players in double figures = Erin Lind, 14; Jill Van Eperen, 12; and 10 each for Skye Gono and Kacie Cullen...
Next up for EC is game two of the holiday tournament tomorrow, against #17 Illinois Wesleyan, a Final Four team last year... Ripon will face Coe College, a team that made the Sweet 16 last year...
Which they are, after Laura Olson hit a key three with 30 seconds left to put the Blugolds up 64-62, which was the final score...
Again, the threes were ugly, 4 of 19, but Olson hit the winner, and had her 6 points on two of them... Turnovers were a bit better, as they only had 18 this time around... Sarah Bingea had 23 to lead UWEC, followed by Ellen Plendl with 15 and Nicole Christianson with 11, and nine assists... Plendl had a monster night on the boards, with 18, as the team had a 38-23 advantage in that stat...
Ripon was lead in scoring by four players in double figures = Erin Lind, 14; Jill Van Eperen, 12; and 10 each for Skye Gono and Kacie Cullen...
Next up for EC is game two of the holiday tournament tomorrow, against #17 Illinois Wesleyan, a Final Four team last year... Ripon will face Coe College, a team that made the Sweet 16 last year...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2011, 11:29:12 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 18, 2011, 11:29:12 PM
Hey, Happy New Hoops Year, buf! ;)
Once again, you beat me to the draw, as I see the "someone's posted while you are doing so" message, and I figured it would be you...
Sure enough, it was. But I'm sticking with my original post because I don't feel like editing the darn thing to take out duplication from your's... ;)
Once again, you beat me to the draw, as I see the "someone's posted while you are doing so" message, and I figured it would be you...
Sure enough, it was. But I'm sticking with my original post because I don't feel like editing the darn thing to take out duplication from your's... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on November 18, 2011, 11:57:59 PM
Post by: UWRF on November 18, 2011, 11:57:59 PM
River Falls HANGS ON and navigates the "Storm" (Simpson College that is)
When I was reading the game story I thought I read the final score wrong. RF was up 22 late in the first half, but held onto win 79-73. Kinda scares me that this veteran squad couldn't put away Simpson until the very end.
When I was reading the game story I thought I read the final score wrong. RF was up 22 late in the first half, but held onto win 79-73. Kinda scares me that this veteran squad couldn't put away Simpson until the very end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 19, 2011, 05:49:06 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 19, 2011, 05:49:06 AM
Stout loses a nailbiter to Wartburg 59 - 54. Sami Shoeder hit a 3 pointer with 7 seconds left to get within 1 point... But it was nothing but FT's the rest of the game.
I'd have liked to see a win, but hopefully they can learn a lesson from a close loss.
I'd have liked to see a win, but hopefully they can learn a lesson from a close loss.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
The WARHAWKS took the lead for good after three minutes had been played and beat Whitworth 80-57. It was close at the half 35-31 and Whitworth got within a single point early in the second half but after that the lead quickly grew to double figures reaching a high of 26 points before the game ended. The WARHAWKS shot 65% in the second half.
Four WARHAWKS scored in double figures. Cortney Kumerow's 15 points led the way. Mary Merg added 14 points, Jamie Swanson 12 and Sam Quant 11. Merg, Emily Bestor and Morgan Dahlke pulled down 5 rebounds each and Amy Mandrell added 4 in six minutes of playing time. Kaitlyn Thill had 6 assists. Thill, Quandt and Katie Burton all had 3 steals.
The WARHAWKS will play Milikin later today.
Four WARHAWKS scored in double figures. Cortney Kumerow's 15 points led the way. Mary Merg added 14 points, Jamie Swanson 12 and Sam Quant 11. Merg, Emily Bestor and Morgan Dahlke pulled down 5 rebounds each and Amy Mandrell added 4 in six minutes of playing time. Kaitlyn Thill had 6 assists. Thill, Quandt and Katie Burton all had 3 steals.
The WARHAWKS will play Milikin later today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on November 20, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
Post by: billys on November 20, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on November 17, 2011, 02:24:33 PMSeems inappropriate for someone who coaches D3 in the region to be taking shots at a program on a message board.
Also, how can anyone defend the UWL program? They're indeed the most underachieving team in the WIAC every year. Yes, we all know they made the tournament last year, but given their resources, size, location and quality of school they should be competing for national titles every year, not battling it out for 4th place in the WIAC. People can make all the excuses they want, but that's the truth. There are a lot of places out there in d3 doing way more with less, than Lax is.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
The WARHAWKS dropped a 78-73 decision to Millikin. WW led by four points at the half 36-32. The second half was see-saw affair with 8 ties and 9 lead changes before Millikin took the lead for good with just less than five minutes to play. The WARHAWKS thought they had tied the game with five seconds remaining when Jamie Swanson hit a long jumper however it was ruled a two point basket leaving them a point behind and Millikin made four free throws to close out the game.
Mary Merg finished with 27 points, 5 assists and 4 steals. Kaitlyn Thill and Cortney Kumerow each scored 15 points. Swanson had 5 steals.
Millikin had four players score in double figures.
Mary Merg finished with 27 points, 5 assists and 4 steals. Kaitlyn Thill and Cortney Kumerow each scored 15 points. Swanson had 5 steals.
Millikin had four players score in double figures.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on November 22, 2011, 11:58:06 PM
Post by: bulk19 on November 22, 2011, 11:58:06 PM
Laura Olson hits another clutch three pointer with 50 seconds left to break a 44-44 tie, as the Blugolds win 49-44, snapping St. Norbert College's 45-game winning streak at home...
Eau Claire (3-1) took a 23-16 lead at half; St. Norbert's (2-2) had caught them by about the 7-minute mark left in the second half, leading by a point, 37-36, as the teams then basically played even down the stretch until Olson's three...
Sarah Bingea had 14 points to lead the Blugolds, while Ellen Plendl had 7 boards... St. Norbert had three players in double figures - Tasha Giese (13) and 10 each for Krista Hawkinson and Jamie Kuhl...
Numbers that jumped out were the 10 steals St. Norbert had, and the 7 blocks the Blugolds had... Stats were fairly even across the board and basically boiled down to a 16-of-40 (40%) shooting advantage for EC, vs. 14 of 46 (30.4%) for St. Norberts...
The Blugolds next travel to Mankato for a night game Saturday against Minnesota State University-Mankato.
Eau Claire (3-1) took a 23-16 lead at half; St. Norbert's (2-2) had caught them by about the 7-minute mark left in the second half, leading by a point, 37-36, as the teams then basically played even down the stretch until Olson's three...
Sarah Bingea had 14 points to lead the Blugolds, while Ellen Plendl had 7 boards... St. Norbert had three players in double figures - Tasha Giese (13) and 10 each for Krista Hawkinson and Jamie Kuhl...
Numbers that jumped out were the 10 steals St. Norbert had, and the 7 blocks the Blugolds had... Stats were fairly even across the board and basically boiled down to a 16-of-40 (40%) shooting advantage for EC, vs. 14 of 46 (30.4%) for St. Norberts...
The Blugolds next travel to Mankato for a night game Saturday against Minnesota State University-Mankato.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2011, 09:48:14 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2011, 09:48:14 PM
The WARHAWKS rallied down the stretch and beat 17th ranked Illinois Wesleyan 80-72. There were 7 ties in the first half as each team had leads between 5-7 points before it ended 28-28. The WARHAWKS started the second half hot and held a lead for the first eleven minutes berfore IW took control and kept the lead till two and half minutes remained. Cortney Kumerow hit a pair of free throws to give the WARHAWKS the lead for good and a three point basket from Chantel Burg followed by another three point play by Berg created a seven point lead. Seven of eight free throws in the final minute sealed the win.
Five WARHAWKS hit double figure points. Kaityn Thill and Berg led the way with 21 points apiece. Mary Merg added 13 points, Cortney Kumerow 12 points and Jamie Swanson 11 points. Thill, Merg and Swanson all had a team high 3 assists and Thill added 3 steals. Berg had a team high 8 rebounds and Kumerow pulled down 6. The WARHAWKS hit 10 of 19 three point shots and finished 56% from the floor.
IWU's Oliva Lett led all scorers with 26 points playing 36 of 40 minutes. Lett is a really good player. She has nice size and is very athletic. Her spin, drop step move was nearly impossible to defend.
Huge win for the WARHAWKS.
Five WARHAWKS hit double figure points. Kaityn Thill and Berg led the way with 21 points apiece. Mary Merg added 13 points, Cortney Kumerow 12 points and Jamie Swanson 11 points. Thill, Merg and Swanson all had a team high 3 assists and Thill added 3 steals. Berg had a team high 8 rebounds and Kumerow pulled down 6. The WARHAWKS hit 10 of 19 three point shots and finished 56% from the floor.
IWU's Oliva Lett led all scorers with 26 points playing 36 of 40 minutes. Lett is a really good player. She has nice size and is very athletic. Her spin, drop step move was nearly impossible to defend.
Huge win for the WARHAWKS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on November 26, 2011, 04:19:06 PM
Post by: cubs on November 26, 2011, 04:19:06 PM
So hoop_junkie gets called out and decides to go into hiding instead of face the music? Tells me ALOT about the type of person he/she is!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on November 26, 2011, 07:21:10 PM
Post by: OshDude on November 26, 2011, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: cubs on November 26, 2011, 04:19:06 PMAnd deletes every post since mid January 2010.
So hoop_junkie gets called out and decides to go into hiding instead of face the music? Tells me ALOT about the type of person he/she is!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on November 26, 2011, 08:03:41 PM
Post by: cubs on November 26, 2011, 08:03:41 PM
Quote from: OshDude on November 26, 2011, 07:21:10 PMWould LOVE to get some of the background information as to what caused this....Quote from: cubs on November 26, 2011, 04:19:06 PMAnd deletes every post since mid January 2010.
So hoop_junkie gets called out and decides to go into hiding instead of face the music? Tells me ALOT about the type of person he/she is!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 11:06:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 11:06:09 AM
The WARHAWKS opened play in the Holiday Inn & Suites Turkey Shootout on the Stout campus with a fourteen point, 66-52, win over Dubuque. The lead went back and forth and there were five ties in the first eleven and half minutes before Steff Gwyn's layup put the WARHAWKS on top 15-14 and gave them a lead they would build to eleven,31-20, when the half ended and never surrender. The WARHAWKS scored 19 points off of turnovers and outscored the Spartans 16-2 in the paint. The Spartans cut the lead to six points twice in the second half but the WARHAWKS got it back to double digits and with one exception maintained that spread for the game's final ten minutes.
Chantel Burg led all scorers with 14 points. Burg also had 7 rebounds and 5 steals. Cortney Kumerow posted a double-double with 10 points and 11 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill added 11 points and a game high 7 steals. As a team the WARHAWKS had 18 steals.
The WARHAWKS will finish play in the two day tournament with a game against St. Scholastica today.
Chantel Burg led all scorers with 14 points. Burg also had 7 rebounds and 5 steals. Cortney Kumerow posted a double-double with 10 points and 11 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill added 11 points and a game high 7 steals. As a team the WARHAWKS had 18 steals.
The WARHAWKS will finish play in the two day tournament with a game against St. Scholastica today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 02:56:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 02:56:26 PM
The WARHAWKS had no problem with St. Scholastica defeating the Saints 76-46. After the score was tied 2-2 Jamie Swanson sank a three-pointer and that was as close as the Saints would get. The WARHAWKS led by 21 at the half, 41-20, and took the lead to a high of 37 in the second half.
Kaitlyn Thill led all scorers with 15 points and the rest of her line read 4 rebounds, 5 assists and 7 steals. Thill totaled 14 steals in the two game tournament. Cortney Kumerow added 14 points and missed her second double-double by a single rebound pulling down a game high 9. Mary Merg and Chantel Burg each scored 10 points and had 4 and 3 steals respectively. As a team the WARHAWKS had 24 steals bringing their two game total to 42. The WARHAWKS scored 32 points off of Saint turnovers.
Kaitlyn Thill led all scorers with 15 points and the rest of her line read 4 rebounds, 5 assists and 7 steals. Thill totaled 14 steals in the two game tournament. Cortney Kumerow added 14 points and missed her second double-double by a single rebound pulling down a game high 9. Mary Merg and Chantel Burg each scored 10 points and had 4 and 3 steals respectively. As a team the WARHAWKS had 24 steals bringing their two game total to 42. The WARHAWKS scored 32 points off of Saint turnovers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 27, 2011, 07:30:41 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 27, 2011, 07:30:41 PM
First things first...
BW - Joe said hi to me for you... ;) I still think you owe me a couple of trips up north, but hi right back at you... 8-)
Stout had a good weekend.
I got my first look at this very young team in actual competition. I witnessed a number of miscues, but also saw plenty to get me excited about the future.
Saturday's game was against St. Scholastica - a team that actually led at halftime against UWEC in their season opener - before ultimately losing the game by about 10 points IIRC.
It was 14 minutes into the game before the Saints scored their first FG yesterday. This despite the fact that Coach T was using his bench almost right from the start of the game. Score at half was 39 - 16, with 8 of those points coming from FT's for the Saints. Stout had 11 players contribute to their 39 points, with 16 points coming from the bench. All but 2 players had minutes in the first half.
Final was 90 - 53, and the bench was even more in play in the second half. The starters combined only had 21 minutes of playing time. The bench scored 43 of the 51 second half points!
Top scorer for the Blue Devils was Sami Schoeder with 14 - hitting 4 of 7 from beyond the arc and 2 for 2 from the charity stripe. Alexa Herasimchuk scored 10 off the bench - all in the second half.
Wasn't able to stay for today's afternoon game - but the Blue Devils pulled out the win over Mark Noll (former Stout Asst WBB coach) and his team from Dubuque.
Dubuque pulled out to an early 7 point lead at the start of the game, but Nikki Alexander (off the bench) tied the game up with the first of 2 FT's and then gave Stout the lead with the second. Stout stretched the lead to as much as 12 points before the half ended with the score 37 - 28.
Stout maintained the lead for nearly 9 minutes of the second half, but then Aimee Reyser (sister of Stout Freshman Bethany Reyzer) hit a 3 pointer to give Dubuque a 2 point lead. The lead would grow to 5 points before Stout tied it up with 5:51 to play on a FT by Whitney Rawdon. Rachel Hanley's layup put Stout up by 2 with 5:01 left. Dubuque tied it up at the 4:48 mark on a FT, but then Stout took over and did what they needed to do at the end of the game with Sami Schoeder hitting 4 of 4 FT's and Whitney Rawdon hitting 2 of 2 in the last 30 seconds.
Final score 74 - 68. Rawdon and Schoeder led the Blue Devils in scoring with 22 and 16 respectively. These 2 also led in rebounds with 11 and 9.
Aimee Reyser led Dubuque in scoring with 19 points. Her sister Bethany scored 8 for Stout. Hoping that Bethany can grow into her sister's shoes... ;D
BW - Joe said hi to me for you... ;) I still think you owe me a couple of trips up north, but hi right back at you... 8-)
Stout had a good weekend.
I got my first look at this very young team in actual competition. I witnessed a number of miscues, but also saw plenty to get me excited about the future.
Saturday's game was against St. Scholastica - a team that actually led at halftime against UWEC in their season opener - before ultimately losing the game by about 10 points IIRC.
It was 14 minutes into the game before the Saints scored their first FG yesterday. This despite the fact that Coach T was using his bench almost right from the start of the game. Score at half was 39 - 16, with 8 of those points coming from FT's for the Saints. Stout had 11 players contribute to their 39 points, with 16 points coming from the bench. All but 2 players had minutes in the first half.
Final was 90 - 53, and the bench was even more in play in the second half. The starters combined only had 21 minutes of playing time. The bench scored 43 of the 51 second half points!
Top scorer for the Blue Devils was Sami Schoeder with 14 - hitting 4 of 7 from beyond the arc and 2 for 2 from the charity stripe. Alexa Herasimchuk scored 10 off the bench - all in the second half.
Wasn't able to stay for today's afternoon game - but the Blue Devils pulled out the win over Mark Noll (former Stout Asst WBB coach) and his team from Dubuque.
Dubuque pulled out to an early 7 point lead at the start of the game, but Nikki Alexander (off the bench) tied the game up with the first of 2 FT's and then gave Stout the lead with the second. Stout stretched the lead to as much as 12 points before the half ended with the score 37 - 28.
Stout maintained the lead for nearly 9 minutes of the second half, but then Aimee Reyser (sister of Stout Freshman Bethany Reyzer) hit a 3 pointer to give Dubuque a 2 point lead. The lead would grow to 5 points before Stout tied it up with 5:51 to play on a FT by Whitney Rawdon. Rachel Hanley's layup put Stout up by 2 with 5:01 left. Dubuque tied it up at the 4:48 mark on a FT, but then Stout took over and did what they needed to do at the end of the game with Sami Schoeder hitting 4 of 4 FT's and Whitney Rawdon hitting 2 of 2 in the last 30 seconds.
Final score 74 - 68. Rawdon and Schoeder led the Blue Devils in scoring with 22 and 16 respectively. These 2 also led in rebounds with 11 and 9.
Aimee Reyser led Dubuque in scoring with 19 points. Her sister Bethany scored 8 for Stout. Hoping that Bethany can grow into her sister's shoes... ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 07:56:46 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 07:56:46 PM
Will you be coming down this weekend?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 27, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 27, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
Champ not good bethany went down with knee may be out for season And Noll was ejected in middle of first half but was a good game from both teams
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on November 28, 2011, 01:02:35 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on November 28, 2011, 01:02:35 AM
Quote from: quail1231 on November 17, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the UWO-Lawrence score from Tuesday night: Lawrence 56 UW-Oshkosh 65. Is UWO that bad that they can't pull away from a program that's won 3 games in 3 years? Lawrence lost to Marian by 30 last night. Looks like UWO will be competing with UW Sup for last place.
UWW's win over Carroll was impressive. I think Carroll averages almost 80 points a game in conference, not that that's saying much in the MWC though. But holding a team 20 points under their average is tough.
UWO is now 5-0 after beating Loras yesterday. They haven't beaten the best of teams so far but they're far from the bottom of the conference. They face a stiff test Saturday at home v. Wheaton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2011, 06:29:08 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2011, 06:29:08 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2011, 07:56:46 PM
Will you be coming down this weekend?
Can't make it - have a Christmas Party on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2011, 06:39:30 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2011, 06:39:30 AM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on November 27, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
Champ not good bethany went down with knee may be out for season And Noll was ejected in middle of first half but was a good game from both teams
That's too bad for Bethany. She really impressed me on Saturday. Hopefully she can rebound from this.
Wasn't aware that Mark N. had been ejected. Middle of the first half, Dubuque was still leading. What triggered the ejection?
Full box score wasn't available last night when I posted. Now I see that both teams were charged with a technical at 2:25 of the first period. What was that all about?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 28, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on November 28, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
it was at the 2:25 mark on a dead ball out-of-bounds right in front of where I sit the ref on this side T Mark Noll up and before she got to the table the ref T him up for his second and he was gone nobody that I talked to on the table or players heard what he said that when Sami shot the 4 free throws box score had it wrong as one each
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on November 28, 2011, 05:08:48 PM
Post by: BDB on November 28, 2011, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: Blue Devil Backer on November 28, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
it was at the 2:25 mark on a dead ball out-of-bounds right in front of where I sit the ref on this side T Mark Noll up and before she got to the table the ref T him up for his second and he was gone nobody that I talked to on the table or players heard what he said that when Sami shot the 4 free throws box score had it wrong as one each
Backer has it right. No T on "T". Both were on Noll while the clock was stopped. Too bad since he was back in his old stomping grounds. I wasn't close to the Dubuque bench but I was watching and Noll didn't seem to excited after the first T. Maybe the ref needed to play it a little cool right about then before ejecting the coach..
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Post by: The Champ on November 28, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Well, now that makes at least a little bit of sense to me... I was looking for a technical on Mark N in the box score but only found the (incorrect) listing of a T on both teams.
2:25 is a little bit later than the "middle" of the first half so that was also a little confusing.
I've been around Mark N enough to know that it's normally not his style to get T'd up once, much less twice on one time out.
2:25 is a little bit later than the "middle" of the first half so that was also a little confusing.
I've been around Mark N enough to know that it's normally not his style to get T'd up once, much less twice on one time out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 29, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 29, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
WHITEWATER'S Kaitlyn Thill named WIAC Player of the Week
Thill scored in double digits all three games during the week as UW-Whitewater improved its record to 5-1. In an 80-72 win against Illinois Wesleyan University on Nov. 23, she led the Warhawks with 21 points, two rebounds, three assists and three steals. Thill followed up that performance with 11 points, one rebound, two assists and seven steals in the 66-52 victory against the University of Dubuque (Iowa) on Nov. 26, at the Quality Inn and Suites Turkey Shootout in Menomonie, Wis. In UW-Whitewater's last game at the Turkey Shootout against the College of St. Scholastica (Minn.) on Nov. 27, Thill had 15 points, four rebounds, five assists and seven steals as the Warhawks won 76-46.
Thill scored in double digits all three games during the week as UW-Whitewater improved its record to 5-1. In an 80-72 win against Illinois Wesleyan University on Nov. 23, she led the Warhawks with 21 points, two rebounds, three assists and three steals. Thill followed up that performance with 11 points, one rebound, two assists and seven steals in the 66-52 victory against the University of Dubuque (Iowa) on Nov. 26, at the Quality Inn and Suites Turkey Shootout in Menomonie, Wis. In UW-Whitewater's last game at the Turkey Shootout against the College of St. Scholastica (Minn.) on Nov. 27, Thill had 15 points, four rebounds, five assists and seven steals as the Warhawks won 76-46.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on November 30, 2011, 07:02:37 AM
Post by: The Champ on November 30, 2011, 07:02:37 AM
The best thing I can say about last night's game between Stout and Winona was that the Lady Devils held Winona scoreless for the 3 minutes and 58 seconds of the game and held the lead for over 5 minutes.
Winona went on a 20 - 0 run after trailing 5 - 0 to open the game and never looked back.
Final score was 80 - 42.
Winona went on a 20 - 0 run after trailing 5 - 0 to open the game and never looked back.
Final score was 80 - 42.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on November 30, 2011, 02:10:16 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on November 30, 2011, 02:10:16 PM
Looks like a great start to the season so far for many teams in the conference. If I had to do some power rankings, I would sort them like this:
SP (Very Impressive so far)
RF (Very Talented in the backcourt)
WW (Tough loss to Milikin but big win over IWU)
Osh (Not buying YET, but have looked good)
EC (Close losses, good win at Norberts)
Sup (Better every year)
Platt (Better defensive team than credit for)
Stout (Even though low ranking, could beat anyone on a given night)
LX (I will not be buying at all this season)
Of course I am open to debate to see some other lists. After the top 3, it could really go anywhere.
SP (Very Impressive so far)
RF (Very Talented in the backcourt)
WW (Tough loss to Milikin but big win over IWU)
Osh (Not buying YET, but have looked good)
EC (Close losses, good win at Norberts)
Sup (Better every year)
Platt (Better defensive team than credit for)
Stout (Even though low ranking, could beat anyone on a given night)
LX (I will not be buying at all this season)
Of course I am open to debate to see some other lists. After the top 3, it could really go anywhere.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 01, 2011, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 01, 2011, 10:52:52 AM
Here's how I see it, I grouped teams together that in my opinion are pretty equal:
WI Stevens Pt
WI River Falls
WI Whitewater
WI Eau Claire
WI Oshkosh
WI LaCrosse
WI Superior
WI Stout
WI Platteville
Some things that surprise me are Platteville beating Millikin and WW losing to them. I watched WW's loss on the internet and it seems like they are lacking depth up front. Also, La Crosse losing to Loras, I know it was only summer ball but I saw RF's freshman beat a team of Loras's returners at the Dells in August. Maybe that does go towards proving LAX isn't very strong. Starting Saturday we'll see how things are going to shake out. To me the wild card in the league this year is Oshkosh, I think they might be pretty good.
WI Stevens Pt
WI River Falls
WI Whitewater
WI Eau Claire
WI Oshkosh
WI LaCrosse
WI Superior
WI Stout
WI Platteville
Some things that surprise me are Platteville beating Millikin and WW losing to them. I watched WW's loss on the internet and it seems like they are lacking depth up front. Also, La Crosse losing to Loras, I know it was only summer ball but I saw RF's freshman beat a team of Loras's returners at the Dells in August. Maybe that does go towards proving LAX isn't very strong. Starting Saturday we'll see how things are going to shake out. To me the wild card in the league this year is Oshkosh, I think they might be pretty good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 01, 2011, 01:16:19 PM
WHITEWATER played Millikin without Chantel Burg. While I wouldn't say that we're deep in the front court having Burg back definitely adds to the mix. She's played pretty well since returning.
I'm not suggesting Burg would have made the difference against Millikin either. Millikin shot better from beyond the arc and had a significant advantage from the charity stripe.
I'm not suggesting Burg would have made the difference against Millikin either. Millikin shot better from beyond the arc and had a significant advantage from the charity stripe.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 01, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 01, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
badgerwarhawk, you're right, she would have been a help. Watching WW play in person I'm always used to seeing the dark haired girl with the bun on top of her head and the headband over her ears, watching on a little computer screen I couldn't see she was missing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on December 02, 2011, 11:55:23 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on December 02, 2011, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: WilsonHoops on December 01, 2011, 10:52:52 AM
Here's how I see it, I grouped teams together that in my opinion are pretty equal:
WI Stevens Pt
WI River Falls
WI Whitewater
WI Eau Claire
WI Oshkosh
WI LaCrosse
WI Superior
WI Stout
WI Platteville
Some things that surprise me are Platteville beating Millikin and WW losing to them. I watched WW's loss on the internet and it seems like they are lacking depth up front. Also, La Crosse losing to Loras, I know it was only summer ball but I saw RF's freshman beat a team of Loras's returners at the Dells in August. Maybe that does go towards proving LAX isn't very strong. Starting Saturday we'll see how things are going to shake out. To me the wild card in the league this year is Oshkosh, I think they might be pretty good.
I generally agree with this but I might bump that Superior/Stout group with LAX. I know the records so far don't indicate that so much but both of those teams have one thing they can bank on (Stout-force TOs, Superior-Experience) I just don't see that for LAX but their record is much better. LAX might beat both of those teams but not beat a team ahead of them while I think Stout or Superior could nip a playoff team. Again overall I agree with the groups here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 03, 2011, 05:43:39 PM
Post by: buf on December 03, 2011, 05:43:39 PM
EC wins at UWL 53-47. Both Plendl and Halama with double doubles for EC.
RF wins easily at UWP, 67-46.
RF wins easily at UWP, 67-46.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 03, 2011, 09:58:17 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 03, 2011, 09:58:17 PM
Fairly physical UWEC-UWL game, but they let them play... First free throw attempts came at about three minutes into the second half...
As buf notes, the Blugold bigs had good games in the 53-47 win - Ellen Plendl had 12 boards and 11 points, while Callie Halama had 11 rebounds and 12 points... Laura Olson had 12, all on threes; three of them came in the first half, when EC led at the break 27-24... Freshman Courtney Lewis chipped in 9 boards for the 'Golds, too, and Plendl made her presence known in the paint, with seven blocked shots.
UWL kept it close throughout and stayed in it down the stretch by hitting three of its five three pointers in the last two minutes or so... The Eagles were but 5-22 (22.7%) from the three point range, while EC made 4 of 9... Mallory Cramer had 10 boards for UWL; Kassie Robinson (14) and Rachel Salata (10) led the Eagles in scoring... Eagles had 12 steals...
Both teams are 5-2 now. UWEC will travel to Platteville on Wednesday, while the Eagles host Whitewater...
As buf notes, the Blugold bigs had good games in the 53-47 win - Ellen Plendl had 12 boards and 11 points, while Callie Halama had 11 rebounds and 12 points... Laura Olson had 12, all on threes; three of them came in the first half, when EC led at the break 27-24... Freshman Courtney Lewis chipped in 9 boards for the 'Golds, too, and Plendl made her presence known in the paint, with seven blocked shots.
UWL kept it close throughout and stayed in it down the stretch by hitting three of its five three pointers in the last two minutes or so... The Eagles were but 5-22 (22.7%) from the three point range, while EC made 4 of 9... Mallory Cramer had 10 boards for UWL; Kassie Robinson (14) and Rachel Salata (10) led the Eagles in scoring... Eagles had 12 steals...
Both teams are 5-2 now. UWEC will travel to Platteville on Wednesday, while the Eagles host Whitewater...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 04, 2011, 08:02:35 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 04, 2011, 08:02:35 AM
UW-Whitewater opened with a 29-6 run over the first 10 minutes of the game and never looked back... :'(
Not an unexpected result, but you still need to play the game. 53 - 29 at half, final 95 - 65.
I think the next 2 games (Superior & Platteville) will tell us more about how Stout will fair in the WIAC this year. Then UWRF before the holiday break...
Not an unexpected result, but you still need to play the game. 53 - 29 at half, final 95 - 65.
I think the next 2 games (Superior & Platteville) will tell us more about how Stout will fair in the WIAC this year. Then UWRF before the holiday break...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
Stout scored first but 2-0 would be their only lead and they were out of the game quickly. They're a young team and their inexperience hurt them particularly in dealing with WW's full court pressure defense. Stout had 18 turnovers in the first half which led to some easy baskets. The second half was just as bad as they turned the ball over an additional 17 times. Mary Merg led all scorers with 17 points. Chantel Burg finished with 15 points. Sam Quandt also had double figure points with 10. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 5 steals and Burg added 4. Katie Burton had a game high 4 assists. Jamie Swanson's 7 rebounds tied for a game high.
Courtney Hayford led Stout with 12 points.
A total of 58 fouls were whistled and the two teams combined to attempt 70 free throws. It took over an hour to play the first half and the second one didn't go much quicker. Both teams were shooting double bonuses with 8-10 minutes remaining in both halves. You could literally see people age from the start to finish. ;)
Courtney Hayford led Stout with 12 points.
A total of 58 fouls were whistled and the two teams combined to attempt 70 free throws. It took over an hour to play the first half and the second one didn't go much quicker. Both teams were shooting double bonuses with 8-10 minutes remaining in both halves. You could literally see people age from the start to finish. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 06, 2011, 01:06:54 PM
Post by: billys on December 06, 2011, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM;D
You could literally see people age from the start to finish. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 07, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 07, 2011, 09:53:43 PM
UWEC beats UWP in Platteville tonight, 71-62...
Score was tied at half at 34, but the 'Golds were able to pull ahead in the second half, as the Pioneers only scored six points in the last 9:30 or so of the game...
Nicole Christianson had 22 for UWEC; Callie Halama had 19, while Sarah Bingea added 10. Claire Poad led all scorers with 23 (6-10 from three); her teammate, Liz Lawinger, added 12. Rebound leaders were Ellen Plendl for UWEC, with 13, and Courtney Lewis with 8. The Pioneers' leading rebounders had 11 and 8, respectively (Ashley Hendry and Kim Wellnitz).
Platteville only had six turnovers (UWEC had 13), but the difference in the game was shooting percentage. Blugolds shot 46.7% (23 of 49) compared to UWP's 31.8% (21-66). Blugolds won the game on outside shooting, perhaps, as they hit 9 of 17, for 52.9 %, compared to the Pioneers, who made 10 of 26 (38.5%). Both teams also shot well from the charity stripe - UWEC was 16 of 20; Platteville was 10 of 11...
Blugolds move to 6-2 overall, with two conference wins, and host Whitewater on Saturday. Platteville is now 3-6 overall, and 0-2 in the WIAC. The Pioneers will travel to Stout.
Score was tied at half at 34, but the 'Golds were able to pull ahead in the second half, as the Pioneers only scored six points in the last 9:30 or so of the game...
Nicole Christianson had 22 for UWEC; Callie Halama had 19, while Sarah Bingea added 10. Claire Poad led all scorers with 23 (6-10 from three); her teammate, Liz Lawinger, added 12. Rebound leaders were Ellen Plendl for UWEC, with 13, and Courtney Lewis with 8. The Pioneers' leading rebounders had 11 and 8, respectively (Ashley Hendry and Kim Wellnitz).
Platteville only had six turnovers (UWEC had 13), but the difference in the game was shooting percentage. Blugolds shot 46.7% (23 of 49) compared to UWP's 31.8% (21-66). Blugolds won the game on outside shooting, perhaps, as they hit 9 of 17, for 52.9 %, compared to the Pioneers, who made 10 of 26 (38.5%). Both teams also shot well from the charity stripe - UWEC was 16 of 20; Platteville was 10 of 11...
Blugolds move to 6-2 overall, with two conference wins, and host Whitewater on Saturday. Platteville is now 3-6 overall, and 0-2 in the WIAC. The Pioneers will travel to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2011, 09:59:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2011, 09:59:33 PM
Stevens Point 56, Oshkosh 40. UWO shoots 26% according to UWO's twitter feed.
Eau Claire 71, Platteville 62 as summarized above.
La Crosse 71, Whitewater 68, OT. La Crosse missed five free throws in the last 12 seconds but kept getting the rebounds.
Superior 80, Stout 58.
Eau Claire 71, Platteville 62 as summarized above.
La Crosse 71, Whitewater 68, OT. La Crosse missed five free throws in the last 12 seconds but kept getting the rebounds.
Superior 80, Stout 58.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on December 08, 2011, 06:45:06 AM
Post by: The Champ on December 08, 2011, 06:45:06 AM
As Bill noted above, Stout falls to Superior last night 80 - 58 in Superior.
I wasn't at the game, but it's really tough to win when you only make 25% of your shots, which is what Stout did in the first half - including 0 - 9 from beyond the arc.
They did improve to 43% in the second half, but that's not good enough after you've put yourself in a deep hole.
Next up - Platteville at home.
I wasn't at the game, but it's really tough to win when you only make 25% of your shots, which is what Stout did in the first half - including 0 - 9 from beyond the arc.
They did improve to 43% in the second half, but that's not good enough after you've put yourself in a deep hole.
Next up - Platteville at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 08, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 08, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
As already mentioned the WARHAWKS dropped a 71-68 overtime game to LaCrosse last night. LaCrosse jumped on top early though the WARHAWKS hung in there keeping the deficit with single digits until the Eagles made a 14-2 run to finish the half up sixteen 38-22. The WARHAWKS rallied in the second half and a three-pointer from Mary Merg gave them the lead, 52-49, with a little over four minutes to play. Other than a 52-52 tie the WARHAWKS maintain a lead until a three point play by the Eagles put them up 58-56 with six seconds remaining. Kaitly Thill was fouled and made both free throws and the two teams were tied at the end of regulation. Neither team led by more than three points in the O.T. Free throws and offensive rebounds by the Eagles was the difference maker. LaCrosse went 9-13 from the charity stripe and had five offensive rebounds in the final ten seconds.
Cortney Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 18. Mary Merg added 17. Chantel Burg's line read 14 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists and 8 steals. Thill and Merg each had 5 steals as the WARHAWKS recorded 21 steals in the game.
LaCrosse was led by Kassie Robinson's game high 19 points.
Each team made 23 baskets. The WARHAWKS had one additional three-pointer but LaCrosse went 23-38 from the free throw line compared to 19-23 for the WARHAWKS. LaCrosse also held a 47-36 advantage on the boards.
Cortney Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 18. Mary Merg added 17. Chantel Burg's line read 14 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists and 8 steals. Thill and Merg each had 5 steals as the WARHAWKS recorded 21 steals in the game.
LaCrosse was led by Kassie Robinson's game high 19 points.
Each team made 23 baskets. The WARHAWKS had one additional three-pointer but LaCrosse went 23-38 from the free throw line compared to 19-23 for the WARHAWKS. LaCrosse also held a 47-36 advantage on the boards.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on December 08, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on December 08, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
The win over WW is a great one for UWL. I am surprised that UWL dominated the boards like they did. Looks like Burg had another great game vs. the Eagles. She has been a tough player to match up with for UWL. Very impressed with Robinson this year. She seems to be doing a great job in the post for a team that lost two great players underneath in Churchill and Frank.
Again, this UWL team should be able to finish in the top 6. Not sure how anyone would have picked them to finish last ???
Again, this UWL team should be able to finish in the top 6. Not sure how anyone would have picked them to finish last ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 09, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on December 09, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
I picked them last for one reason. They almost always underachieve. They have every year except last year, and some would argue a first round NCAA loss with five senior starters is still underachieving. Last year was their year to make some serious noise, and it was barely a whimper.
So when this year should be considered a down year from last year, I thought they would underachieve even more and finish last.
I will now pick them to finish higher. Perhaps 7th. Good win for the Eagles. But overall, I'm still not buying.
So when this year should be considered a down year from last year, I thought they would underachieve even more and finish last.
I will now pick them to finish higher. Perhaps 7th. Good win for the Eagles. But overall, I'm still not buying.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Backseat Driver on December 09, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
Post by: Backseat Driver on December 09, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
CCIW follower here, but just a quick word about UW-Lax. I saw them play Wheaton a few weeks back and was impressed by their team defense. They held Wheaton, albeit without all-American Laura Karsten, to 43 points at King Arena. That same Wheaton team just won at Oshkosh a week ago.
On the season they're only surrendering 51 points per game. Any team that plays defense like that guarantees that they can at least compete in every game they play. I'm not well versed in the WIAC from top-to-bottom, but I would imagine that Lax's defense will propel them into one of the conference tournament slots.
On the season they're only surrendering 51 points per game. Any team that plays defense like that guarantees that they can at least compete in every game they play. I'm not well versed in the WIAC from top-to-bottom, but I would imagine that Lax's defense will propel them into one of the conference tournament slots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2011, 10:56:22 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 10, 2011, 10:56:22 PM
Methinks, in donning my Carnac the Magnificent cap, that buf is going to fill us in on UWEC's 75-70 win over Whitewater tonight at Zorn Arena... ;)
Blugold bigs played well again tonight - Callie Halama had 23 points and 11 boards; Ellen Plendl also doubled up with 16 points and 10 rebounds... Nicole Christianson added 19 points for UWEC, too...
Whitewater's Mary Merg led all scorers with 29, including five threes; Chantel Burg had 10.
Warhawks led 35-32 at the break. Stats that jump out to me were UWEC's 6 blocks and 18 assists and Whitewater's 10 steals... Shooting percentage was a big difference = although Whitewater hit 8 of 24 threes, the team overall shot 24 of 60, for 40%... The Blugolds, however, shot 50.9% overall, but were just 3 of 13 on three pointers... Laura Olson had another big one down the stretch for EC...
UWEC (7-2 and 3-0) will host Superior on Wednesday. Whitewater (6-3 and 1-2) will host Stevens Point...
Blugold bigs played well again tonight - Callie Halama had 23 points and 11 boards; Ellen Plendl also doubled up with 16 points and 10 rebounds... Nicole Christianson added 19 points for UWEC, too...
Whitewater's Mary Merg led all scorers with 29, including five threes; Chantel Burg had 10.
Warhawks led 35-32 at the break. Stats that jump out to me were UWEC's 6 blocks and 18 assists and Whitewater's 10 steals... Shooting percentage was a big difference = although Whitewater hit 8 of 24 threes, the team overall shot 24 of 60, for 40%... The Blugolds, however, shot 50.9% overall, but were just 3 of 13 on three pointers... Laura Olson had another big one down the stretch for EC...
UWEC (7-2 and 3-0) will host Superior on Wednesday. Whitewater (6-3 and 1-2) will host Stevens Point...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 12, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 12, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
Looking at the box score for UWEC beating UWW it looks like the bigs for UWEC besides scoring and rebounding well really shut down UWW's inside game, I see that Kumerow only got 3pts. It seems like bigs playing well is a trend for both UWEC and UWL doing well. Both teams have bigs near the top in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Depth in the front court could be our Achilles heel. Kumerow only played 17 minutes because of foul problems and Burg fouled out though she did play 30 minutes. Both of them fouled out of the LaCrosse game. When those two are on the bench there's a drop off.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 13, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
Post by: JMM on December 13, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
Blugolds are going to do well this year, more mature, decisive, inside and outsode game and heart. Halama has really done well - nice going on team of the week. Plendil is playing well with very few PFs. I think they can win thrir next 4 games. This should postion them well for RF and Point. The could make those games very interesting. If they had played Il Weyselan a week later, they may have won. They kept up well with WW and LAX. There may be something special about this team. RF and SP are tough, tough competition. WW while fast and furious is probably in a rebuilding year. Young guards.. That said, playing WW is like being in a hurricane.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on December 14, 2011, 11:44:00 PM
Post by: buf on December 14, 2011, 11:44:00 PM
UWEC doubles up Superior, 76-38 @ Zorn. Plendl had 14pts, 13rebs. Blugolds jumped out quickly and looked good throughout the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 09:35:53 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 09:35:53 AM
Pointers drill the stone cold WARHAWKS in one of the worst losses in recent memory. I don't even want to talk about it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 15, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
Post by: BDB on December 15, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
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BlueDevil Bob and group before the River Falls/ Stout game.
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2011/12/14/WBB_1214114038.aspx?path=wcbball
BlueDevil Bob and group before the River Falls/ Stout game.
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2011/12/14/WBB_1214114038.aspx?path=wcbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: quail1231 on December 15, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
Post by: quail1231 on December 15, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
What are everyone's thoughts on RF? Are they legit? They are 9-0 overall, 3-0 in conference. So far they've crushed Stout, Oshkosh and Platteville. Non of those are conference contenders, but Oshkosh was having a good year up until the RF game. I think their January schedule will show their true colors, when they play Point, WW, Lax and EC all in a two week span.
Coach Cindy has never finished higher than 3rd. Is this going to be her year?
Coach Cindy has never finished higher than 3rd. Is this going to be her year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 11:29:41 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 15, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
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BlueDevil Bob and group before the River Falls/ Stout game.
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2011/12/14/WBB_1214114038.aspx?path=wcbball
Tell me that isn't you in that god awful sweater. ;) :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on December 15, 2011, 11:51:59 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on December 15, 2011, 11:51:59 AM
Quote from: quail1231 on December 15, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
What are everyone's thoughts on RF? Are they legit? They are 9-0 overall, 3-0 in conference. So far they've crushed Stout, Oshkosh and Platteville. Non of those are conference contenders, but Oshkosh was having a good year up until the RF game. I think their January schedule will show their true colors, when they play Point, WW, Lax and EC all in a two week span.
Coach Cindy has never finished higher than 3rd. Is this going to be her year?
I think they're the 2nd best team in the conference right now. We'll see if UWW can turn it around otherwise I see RF being a top 2 team this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 15, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 15, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
I think RF is for real, they return 5 starters and 8 players that played significant minutes last year. They have 5 seniors and among those the only conference preseason all american pick in Tiffany Gregorich and the best rebounder in the conference in Maranda Dohrn.
In their non conference games they beat Gustavus, picked second in the MIAC, Simpson, picked first in IIAC and Concordia-Wisconsin, picked second in their division of the NAC. So Coach Holbrook is finding as tough a nonconference competition as she can find.
While I've said RF is for real I still think Point is the best in the conference and it will be tough to get through that two week stretch of Point, WW, Lax, and EC. Also, did you see that RF's nomination for Women's BBall Athlete of the week this week was Holly Riesselman, a 6'2" junior center that just transferred in this year, that's gotta help with depth.
In their non conference games they beat Gustavus, picked second in the MIAC, Simpson, picked first in IIAC and Concordia-Wisconsin, picked second in their division of the NAC. So Coach Holbrook is finding as tough a nonconference competition as she can find.
While I've said RF is for real I still think Point is the best in the conference and it will be tough to get through that two week stretch of Point, WW, Lax, and EC. Also, did you see that RF's nomination for Women's BBall Athlete of the week this week was Holly Riesselman, a 6'2" junior center that just transferred in this year, that's gotta help with depth.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on December 15, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
Post by: bulk19 on December 15, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 11:29:41 AMQuote from: BlueDevil Bob on December 15, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
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BlueDevil Bob and group before the River Falls/ Stout game.
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2011/12/14/WBB_1214114038.aspx?path=wcbball
Tell me that isn't you in that god awful sweater. ;) :D
I was thinking he's the guy in back with the horns... although Coach Thomas sort of looks like he has some sort of green horns, too! ;)
A noble gesture, to be applauded, that's for sure... Well done, BDB...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 15, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
Oops, I was remiss in not complimenting you for your generosity BDB.
I guess I was overwhelmed by the sweater. :D
I guess I was overwhelmed by the sweater. :D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 15, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
Post by: BDB on December 15, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
Nope not me in the sweater. That's my partner Steve. I told him last night that "he must've found a pretty sweet thrift sale to find that sweater." ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 17, 2011, 10:28:28 PM
Post by: JMM on December 17, 2011, 10:28:28 PM
Saw RF and Simpson today. Up until about 7 minutes left I was not that impressed then things began to roll. Brittany Gregorich caught fie and Simpson was left in the dust. RF is a solid team. Not all that good underneath and other than Brittany Gregorich, no major threats. I think you stop Brittany Gregorich, you stop RF. Their competition so far has not been all that good. I think WW will beat them, Point will beat them and EC can beat them if can EC limits there turnovers to under 15. LAX could also take tem. I have seen all these team play. Again, stop Brittany Gregorich and RF will not do that well. MY 2 cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 29, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
Post by: billys on December 29, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
RF falls from the ranks of the unbeaten with an overtime loss to a good Carthage team in Vegas. I'm sure they were thrilled to travel to Nevada to play each other.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
We hope they were happy to come here. We were happy to watch them at least. And I'm not sure they would've played each other unless we paired them up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on December 29, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: billys on December 29, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
Agreed; great match-up and they probably would not have played each other being on separate sides of the state.
I shouldn't have worded it was such. It's just kind of funny two teams from the same state travel across the country and end up playing each other. Although I think UWSP and Concordia (or someone like that) faced off in Florida a year or two again. When I saw the match-up I was just surprised to see it was in Vegas. No disrespect intended
I shouldn't have worded it was such. It's just kind of funny two teams from the same state travel across the country and end up playing each other. Although I think UWSP and Concordia (or someone like that) faced off in Florida a year or two again. When I saw the match-up I was just surprised to see it was in Vegas. No disrespect intended
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
Understood. No problem.
Amherst will play WPI in a bit. They are very close to each other geographically. Those match ups of teams that travel real far to play someone who is nearby always make me scratch my head, too.
Amherst will play WPI in a bit. They are very close to each other geographically. Those match ups of teams that travel real far to play someone who is nearby always make me scratch my head, too.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 29, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 29, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Unless Carthage has changed their scheduling it's unlikely Cathage and River Falls, or any other WIAC program for that matter, would have played each other even if River Falls was located in Racine. Historically Carthage's administration has not allowed their athletic programs to schedule WIAC schools in anything other than a multi-team event, a volleyball invitational or track meet for example, or in post season play. If that's changed it's news to me.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2011, 04:52:28 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 29, 2011, 04:52:28 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on December 29, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Unless Carthage has changed their scheduling it's unlikely Cathage and River Falls, or any other WIAC program for that matter, would have played each other even if River Falls was located in Racine. Historically Carthage's administration has not allowed their athletic programs to schedule WIAC schools in anything other than a multi-team event, a volleyball invitational or track meet for example, or in post season play. If that's changed it's news to me.
I seem to recall from the CCIW board that that policy was due to the former president, and under the new regime is no longer the case. But I have no personal knowledge of the situation.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 29, 2011, 10:16:47 PM
Post by: JMM on December 29, 2011, 10:16:47 PM
EC wins again. The stats look OK but they got pretty sloppy - maybe tired from being on the road. Also I felt the refs did all they could to keep SW in the game. Curious if any one saw the RF loss and the SP loss. Wonder if the refs helped a little in those games. It was pretty bad in the EC game. If EC wins tomorrow, may get close to a national top 25 ranking. Finally, was the team SP lost to a DI or DII school. I beleive they were NAIA.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
The WARHAWK women got back on the winning track by knocking off previously unbeaten Concordia Texas 64-61. Junior center Steph Glynn blocked what could have been the game tying shot with seven seconds remaining, rebounded a missed free throw with four seconds left and hit a pair of free throws to clinch the win. The WARHAWKS trailed once in the game, 3-2, and with the exception of three ties led from start to finish. Building the lead to a high of sixteen points in the first half the WARHAWKS led 33-21 at the break and maintained a double digit lead for the majority of the first eight minutes of the second half. Concordia whittled away at the lead and with fifty seconds remaining the two teams were tied 59-59. A pair of free throws by Cortney Kumerow regained the lead for the WARHAWKS. Concordia cut it to a single point by making one of two free throw attempts but Mary Merg followed with one of two from the line before Gynn's heroics sealed the deal.
Katie Burton led the WARHAWKS with 14 points. Chantel Burg and Mary Merg added 11 and 10 respectively. Merg with 9 and Jamie Swanson with 8 were the WARHAWKS leading rebounders. Kaitlyn Thill's 5 assists were a game high while Emily Bestor added 4. The WARHAWKS had 18 assists on 21 made baskets. Burg's 4 steals tied the game's high while Thill and Kumerow each had 3.
The WARHAWKS will face East Texas Baptist today wrapping up their trip to Austin Texas.
Katie Burton led the WARHAWKS with 14 points. Chantel Burg and Mary Merg added 11 and 10 respectively. Merg with 9 and Jamie Swanson with 8 were the WARHAWKS leading rebounders. Kaitlyn Thill's 5 assists were a game high while Emily Bestor added 4. The WARHAWKS had 18 assists on 21 made baskets. Burg's 4 steals tied the game's high while Thill and Kumerow each had 3.
The WARHAWKS will face East Texas Baptist today wrapping up their trip to Austin Texas.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 30, 2011, 01:12:34 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on December 30, 2011, 01:12:34 PM
I streamed the RF game. Seemed to me that Carthage got some bailout calls near the end of regulation that gave them some free throws to keep them in the game but looking at the stats, fouls and free throws were even for each team. What really hurt RF was poor shooting from outside and their defense wasn't quite up to par, they let Carthage attack the basketball more than they usually do.
Also, I was a little curious about Point Loma Nazarene. What I found out is they are a NAIA D1 team. Here's how it compares to NCAA for women's bball: NCAA D1 15 scholarships, NAIA D1 11 scholarships, NCAA D2 10 scholarships, NAIA D2 6 scholarships.
Also, I was a little curious about Point Loma Nazarene. What I found out is they are a NAIA D1 team. Here's how it compares to NCAA for women's bball: NCAA D1 15 scholarships, NAIA D1 11 scholarships, NCAA D2 10 scholarships, NAIA D2 6 scholarships.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2011, 04:46:56 PM
The WARHAWKS trailed twice in the first two minutes of the game before a Chantel Burg layup put them ahead for good and it didn't take long to overwhelm an out matched East Texas Baptist University team. The lead was thirty at the half 45-15 and finished at thirty two 75-43. The starting five for the WARHAWKS averaged about fifteen minutes of playing time as every player on the roster saw the court in this game. The WARHAWKS defense held ETBU to 18.5% from the floor in the first half and 25.7% in the second one while recording 16 steals.
Jamie Swanson led the WARHAWKS with 16 points. Burg added 12 points and Kaitlyn Thill scored 10 points. Burg and Swanson each had a team high 5 rebounds. Emily Bestor had a game high 4 assists while Burg, Katie Burton, Steph Glynn and Megan Tkachuk all had 3. As a team the WARHAWKS assisted 15 times on 23 made baskets. Burg and Sam Quandt had a game high 3 steals apiece.
Considering how lopsided the score was it got a tad fiesty with just under eleven minutes remaining in the game when Burg and ETBU's Brandace Latin were both ejected for fighting.
Jamie Swanson led the WARHAWKS with 16 points. Burg added 12 points and Kaitlyn Thill scored 10 points. Burg and Swanson each had a team high 5 rebounds. Emily Bestor had a game high 4 assists while Burg, Katie Burton, Steph Glynn and Megan Tkachuk all had 3. As a team the WARHAWKS assisted 15 times on 23 made baskets. Burg and Sam Quandt had a game high 3 steals apiece.
Considering how lopsided the score was it got a tad fiesty with just under eleven minutes remaining in the game when Burg and ETBU's Brandace Latin were both ejected for fighting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
So Point Loma Nazarene is NAIA D1 with multiple scolarships. Wish SP had one.
MM
MM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 30, 2011, 09:32:48 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 30, 2011, 09:32:48 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 30, 2011, 05:55:04 PM
So Point Loma Nazarene is NAIA D1 with multiple scolarships. Wish SP had one.
MM
No worries. Game means absolutely nothing in the big picture. Point has beaten PLNU in that tournament in the past, so it's not like it's a mismatch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 03, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
Post by: JMM on January 03, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
EC moves into the top 25. Next 2 weeks will be exciting in the WIAC. SP plays RF, SP hosts EC on Saturday. I think the WIAC is super strong this year. LAX, WW, EC, RF and SP are wonderful teams. WIAC winner will probably have 2-3 losses. The end of year tourney may yield alot of surprises as well. Would not rule out any of hese 5 teams. RF really has it's work cut out with SP. Anyone think they can take down SP. I don't. EC should have no problem with Stout but you never know. The RF game with EC should also be a battle. Any thoughts from anyone?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on January 03, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on January 03, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 03, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
EC moves into the top 25. Next 2 weeks will be exciting in the WIAC. SP plays RF, SP hosts EC on Saturday. I think the WIAC is super strong this year. LAX, WW, EC, RF and SP are wonderful teams. WIAC winner will probably have 2-3 losses. The end of year tourney may yield alot of surprises as well. Would not rule out any of hese 5 teams. RF really has it's work cut out with SP. Anyone think they can take down SP. I don't. EC should have no problem with Stout but you never know. The RF game with EC should also be a battle. Any thoughts from anyone?
I still think Point is quite a bit better than the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 04, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
Post by: JMM on January 04, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
Love the WIAC. It is going to be a fantastic year. Hooray RF for your big win. It will only make it tougher for EC to beat SP on Saturday. Also should be a great night again in a week when EC and RF play. The Halama, Plendil combo underneah for EC is pretty darn good. They have played as mature seniors. Also EC is shooting more 3s than in recent years. Olson. Christenson, Rempert amd others have been pretty good. I think the SP game will come down to Sarah Bingea's abilty to hit the short jumper. I hope the refs let 'em play. Again I totally respect SP but given their schedule has been a tad easy and the RF loss - may show they are human and beatable. Look for LAX and WW to post some big wins as well this year. It is going to be a grand year forWIAC fans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 04, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 04, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
I just watched River Falls beat Stevens Point 67-63. SP was up at half by 3 but RF came on in the 2nd half and got the lead up to 10 or 11 from eight minutes to four minutes left. Interior defense was the difference, RF outrebounded SP 47 to 29 and held SP to zero 2nd chance points.
While Tiffany Gregorich did lead the team with 17 pts there were three players in double figures. And I would have to say reserve wing Tess Lueders was the player of the game, she came in to get 6 pts and 8 huge rebounds, most of them at the end of the game.
While Tiffany Gregorich did lead the team with 17 pts there were three players in double figures. And I would have to say reserve wing Tess Lueders was the player of the game, she came in to get 6 pts and 8 huge rebounds, most of them at the end of the game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 04, 2012, 10:54:11 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 04, 2012, 10:54:11 PM
Stevens Point's schedule hasn't been easy, St.Thomas, Illinois Wesleyan, Millikin, River Falls, Whitewater, they all are very highly ranked teams. So far they have played the 9th toughest schedule in D3, River Falls has played the 16 toughest schedule and Eau Claire has played the 14th toughest schedule for comparison. SP played and beat Ill. Wesleyan by 14 while EC lost to them by 9. Another game for comparison - EC beats Whitewater by 5 while SP wins by 21.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2012, 10:30:51 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2012, 10:30:51 AM
The WARHAWKS defeated Edgewood 66-49. The WARHAWKS held the lead for most of the first thirteen minutes of the game before Edgewood grabbed a two point lead 15-13. A three-pointer from Sam Quant regained the lead for the WARHAWKS but Edgewood went back ahead for the final time a few minutes later 19-18. Katie Burton answered that with a three-point basket and WARHAWKS went on a 9-0 run to finish the half up 27-19. The WARHAWKS shot 50% in the half to 40% by Edgewood and had a 8-14 advantage in turnovers. A Katie Burton jumper to start the second half gave the WARHAWKS their first double figure lead and it grew to a high of twenty four with eleven minutes to play. The WARHAWKS shot 58% in the second half while Edgewood dropped to a cool 29%.
The WARHAWKS finished the game 54% from the floor while Edgewood was 34%. Burton finished with a game high 14 points. Joining her with double figure points were Cortney Kumerow and Mary Merg who had 12 apiece. Kumerow had a team high 5 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 7 assists. Thill and Jamie Swanson each had a pair of steals.
The WARHAWKS finished the game 54% from the floor while Edgewood was 34%. Burton finished with a game high 14 points. Joining her with double figure points were Cortney Kumerow and Mary Merg who had 12 apiece. Kumerow had a team high 5 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 7 assists. Thill and Jamie Swanson each had a pair of steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 05, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
Post by: JMM on January 05, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
Saturday will provide good insight into EC and SP. Will be very hard for EC o win. They are away and SP is a super team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: kestrel on January 05, 2012, 11:26:07 PM
Post by: kestrel on January 05, 2012, 11:26:07 PM
I saw UWRF last night for the first time this year and don't know what to make of them. They are not particularly good shooters (and tend to force shots besides), and both their O and D look helter-skelter at times, but they are as quick and as athletic as anyone I've seen in awhile. They have some women who are quick off the floor and rebound well for their size. Plus, they have a little swagger many women's teams don't display, while rotating 8-9 players with little drop-off in play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
RF returned 7 or their top 8 scorers and rebounders from last year. Most of them have stepped up their production from the previous year. With that kind of experience and improvement from a team that already had gone 16-11 on the previous season they should be poised to make a serious run. This could be the year that RF wins both the men and women's regular season championships.
Hopefully the WARHAWKS can give them a run for their money Saturday.
Hopefully the WARHAWKS can give them a run for their money Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 06, 2012, 01:04:09 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 06, 2012, 01:04:09 PM
Something that surprised me is how much SP has an all conference player like Ashley Averkamp sit. Myranda Tyler actually plays more minutes than her, and more importantly to me, Tyler was in at the end of a close game while Averkamp was on the bench.
I'm going to be interested to see the results between this weekends games between Eau Claire and Stevens Point, and River Falls and Whitewater, they should give a hint of who the favorite for the conference title should be.
Also, I saw that La Crosse lost to #4 Calvin by 20, obviously Calvin is good but that's a big loss for a team that's hoping to contend for the WIAC title.
I'm going to be interested to see the results between this weekends games between Eau Claire and Stevens Point, and River Falls and Whitewater, they should give a hint of who the favorite for the conference title should be.
Also, I saw that La Crosse lost to #4 Calvin by 20, obviously Calvin is good but that's a big loss for a team that's hoping to contend for the WIAC title.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 06, 2012, 01:08:57 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 06, 2012, 01:08:57 PM
I suspect Averkamp is not 100% healthy. She's already missed two games this season. No inside knowledge. Just guessing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 06, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 06, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
OK. I'm going to go out on a limb and waffle about tomorrow's Pointer/Blugold game: ;)
Pointers will be p'od and ornery after a loss to UWRF, and Berg is a tough place for opponents to win in...
But the 'Golds get them at a good time of the season, when they have no other things to focus on but hoops, since school is out... And the bigs are playing well, and they team has been shooting well of late, and they are due to win there, too...
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Golds win tomorrow... But, I think the two teams will split the season series... So, if the Golds win tomorrow, Point would conversely win in EC later... And that wouldn't surprise me, either...
So, how's that for hedging my bets on the game? ;)
Should be a good one, though... Methinks there will be a tiebreaker third game somewhere down the line...
Pointers will be p'od and ornery after a loss to UWRF, and Berg is a tough place for opponents to win in...
But the 'Golds get them at a good time of the season, when they have no other things to focus on but hoops, since school is out... And the bigs are playing well, and they team has been shooting well of late, and they are due to win there, too...
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Golds win tomorrow... But, I think the two teams will split the season series... So, if the Golds win tomorrow, Point would conversely win in EC later... And that wouldn't surprise me, either...
So, how's that for hedging my bets on the game? ;)
Should be a good one, though... Methinks there will be a tiebreaker third game somewhere down the line...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2012, 04:33:26 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2012, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 06, 2012, 01:08:57 PM
I suspect Averkamp is not 100% healthy. She's already missed two games this season. No inside knowledge. Just guessing.
She looked a little gimpy early in the game at RF but I noticed it less later. Probably because she wasn't on the floor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2012, 04:34:27 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2012, 04:34:27 PM
Pretty cool -- video from the final minute of a 10-year-old upset just hit YouTube.
Check out when UW-Stevens Point shocked Division III by ending Wash U's 70-game home winning streak and its run of four consecutive titles in the second round of the 2002 tournament: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2002/uwspwashu
Check out when UW-Stevens Point shocked Division III by ending Wash U's 70-game home winning streak and its run of four consecutive titles in the second round of the 2002 tournament: http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2002/uwspwashu
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 07, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 07, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
That made me smile. :)
Pat, probably just a matter of time before you found this one too. The almost disastrous/miraculous final seconds of the 2002 women's championship game where UW-Stevens Point beats St. Lawrence.
After this game someone said to me. "If that ball had gone in, it might have ruined lives. That's why it didn't go." Watch the stunned, delayed reaction of the Pointers. It looks like they almost forgot that they had just won the national title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1giGM7G24&feature=related
Pat, probably just a matter of time before you found this one too. The almost disastrous/miraculous final seconds of the 2002 women's championship game where UW-Stevens Point beats St. Lawrence.
After this game someone said to me. "If that ball had gone in, it might have ruined lives. That's why it didn't go." Watch the stunned, delayed reaction of the Pointers. It looks like they almost forgot that they had just won the national title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1giGM7G24&feature=related
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 07, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Post by: JMM on January 07, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Thought WW might take down RF. It is a long bus trip. Curious to see the RF and EC game next week. EC has a reallly good team and should be a good match for RF. Saw a fabulous game btw SP and EC. SP is simply is outstanding and took the EC outside shot away which was probably the difference. Coach Shirley handled the bigs during the first half but not the second. I have seen RF, EC SP LAX,WW - these teams are excellent. Worry most about WW they are young and will be dominating in the next couple of years. Anyhow, I like SP best but EC has some fanastic weapons inside and out. I think the WIAC winner will have at least 3 loses. WW and LAX are going to win some big games - as was the case today at WW. I do think EC will take SP at home. Might really get excited about EC if they can take RF. It is a fantastic WIAC year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
The WARHAWKS defeated River Falls by a 64-53 score. RF scored first but the WARHAWKS quickly tied it and took a lead that would never exceed five points and with the exception of one tie they held until just over five and half minutes remained in the first half. RF's lead never exceeded four points and after a couple of ties they led by a pair 31-29 at the half. RF shot 54% in the half while the WARHAWKS shot 34%. They had a significant advantage on the board 22-10 but the WARHAWKS countered by committing only 4 turnovers to 12 by the Falcons. RF started the second half with a pair of free throws to go up four but jumpers from Kaitlyn Thill and Katie Burton tied the game. River Falls would go up again with the next basket before a layup from Cortney Kumerow ignited the WARHAWKS who would take a lead which would never exceed five points for the next six plus minutes of the game. After RF tied the score 48-48 with a free throw the WARHAWKS got another jumper from Burton to go on top for good. The lead grew to nine points 60-51 with 6:23 to play when both teams went cold and neither scored for the next six minutes. Finally a pair of free throws from Burton broke the scoring drought and a layup by Thill ended the game. The WARHAWKS shot 58% in the second half to just 31% by the Falcons.
Mary Merg led all scorers with 20 points. Burton and Thill also scored in double figures with 14 and 12 points respectively. Thill also had a game high 6 assists and 3 steals. Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 6 rebounds.
Maranda Dohrn led the Falcons with a double-double 15 points, 10 rebounds.
RF out rebounded the WARHAWKS 35-26. Three point shooting was a critical factor as the WARHAWKS sank 6 of 14 to just 1 of 15 for the Falcons.
Mary Merg led all scorers with 20 points. Burton and Thill also scored in double figures with 14 and 12 points respectively. Thill also had a game high 6 assists and 3 steals. Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 6 rebounds.
Maranda Dohrn led the Falcons with a double-double 15 points, 10 rebounds.
RF out rebounded the WARHAWKS 35-26. Three point shooting was a critical factor as the WARHAWKS sank 6 of 14 to just 1 of 15 for the Falcons.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 07, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
That made me smile. :)
Pat, probably just a matter of time before you found this one too. The almost disastrous/miraculous final seconds of the 2002 women's championship game where UW-Stevens Point beats St. Lawrence.
After this game someone said to me. "If that ball had gone in, it might have ruined lives. That's why it didn't go." Watch the stunned, delayed reaction of the Pointers. It looks like they almost forgot that they had just won the national title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1giGM7G24&feature=related
Thank you! I have never seen this shot. Indeed, it very nearly was the longest second in Stevens Point history!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 10, 2012, 07:55:47 AM
Post by: JMM on January 10, 2012, 07:55:47 AM
Hooray Ellen Plendil.You are having an unbeleivable year! There are more good things to come.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
EC dodges a bullet at OSH. Plendil starts flat but barely gets another double double. Would have been a crushing loss. Olson needs to come out of the doldrums. Team needs her BAD. Callie H once again delivers when others are having a rough day. It is a long bus trip to OSH. I think EC has blown 1or 2 there in the past. EC vs RF Saturday. Right now I'd say RF. EC has had some bumby play lately. They will need to be on all cylinders.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
The WARHAWKS got back to the .500 mark in conference play and improved to 11-4 overall with a 66-55 win over Platteville last night. After each team missed their initial attempts Cortney Kumerow put the WARHAWKS on top with a pair of free throws. Platteville would tie the game with a basket but a layup by Kumerow put the WARHAWKS on top with a lead that never exceeded five points for the remainder of the half which ended with the WARHAWKS up four 29-25. Each team hit eleven shots in the half and each had one three-pointer. Free throws were the difference as the WARHAWKS were 6 of 6 and the Pioneers 2 of 2. Kumerow paced the WARHAWKS with 13 points while Ashley Henry led Platteville with 9. Henry hit a three pointer for the Pioneers to start the second half. Another Pioneer basket and a pair of free throws gave them a lead they would hold for the first couple minutes of the second half before a pair of free throws by Megan Tkachuk and a layup from Chantel Burg put the WARHAWKS back on top for the rest of the game. However the lead never exceeded nine points and stayed in the 3-6 range for most of it before a pair of free throws from Mary Merg created the double figure spread with twenty four seconds left.
Kumerow and Merg led all scorers with 20 and 13 points respectively. Kumerow missed double digit rebounds by one and Kaitlyn Thill added 7. Merg had a game high 4 assists while Thill, Merg and Burg had game high 3 steals apiece.
Henry paced Platteville with 12 points while Danille Hopkins and Kim Wellnitz added 11 and 10. Platteville had nine more shots than the WARHAWKS including making three more three-pointers. But overall the Pioneers made one less shot finishing the game at 35% from the floor and were outscored 18 to 6 from the free throw line.
Kumerow and Merg led all scorers with 20 and 13 points respectively. Kumerow missed double digit rebounds by one and Kaitlyn Thill added 7. Merg had a game high 4 assists while Thill, Merg and Burg had game high 3 steals apiece.
Henry paced Platteville with 12 points while Danille Hopkins and Kim Wellnitz added 11 and 10. Platteville had nine more shots than the WARHAWKS including making three more three-pointers. But overall the Pioneers made one less shot finishing the game at 35% from the floor and were outscored 18 to 6 from the free throw line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 14, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
Post by: JMM on January 14, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
EC played ball control and patience with a pretty even scoring attack. They really held it together. RF who is a super team did not have the weapons that EC had. With the LAX victory over SP, shows that the WIAC is very wide open. WW, LAX, EC, Rf and SP are all capable of beating each other on any night. I have seen some wonderful D3 ball in the WIAC. The games are super tight and the teams are really focused and the defense is outstanding. Can EC keep the focus and determination they showed today. I think the team is still growing and Englund is really on top of her coaching this year- i thought last year was a bumpy. It is really unfortunate the refs are letting the opposing team pound Plendl. Also see allot of "over the line" holding on her as well - part of the game but... The refing was very good in the game today but there were a 2 calls where the refs embarassed themselves. Otherwise very good, less the Plendil pounding. . Go watch a WIAC game and be thoroughly entertained by some really competative basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 14, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
The WARHAWKS took it to Superior today 86-55. Hitting six of their first seven shots the WARHAWKS jumped on top 14-0 expanded it to 24-3 and eventually 32-6 on the way to a 43-26 half time lead. Cortney Kumerow's 16 points led the way. Superior never got closer than 19 in the second half.
Kumerow led all scorers with 22 points. Kaitlyn Thill and Mary Merg each scored 13 points and Jamie Swanson added 10. Kumerow had a game high 9 rebounds while Thill and Merg had 7 and 6 assists respectively as the WARHAWKS recorded 27 assists on 35 baskets. Nine different WARHAWKS recorded steals with Steph Glynn's 3 leading the way.
Bri Davis led Superior with 12 points. An outstanding defensive effort by the WARHAWKS held the Yellow Jackets leading scorer, Sally Linzmeier, 4 points on 2-12 shooting.
Kumerow led all scorers with 22 points. Kaitlyn Thill and Mary Merg each scored 13 points and Jamie Swanson added 10. Kumerow had a game high 9 rebounds while Thill and Merg had 7 and 6 assists respectively as the WARHAWKS recorded 27 assists on 35 baskets. Nine different WARHAWKS recorded steals with Steph Glynn's 3 leading the way.
Bri Davis led Superior with 12 points. An outstanding defensive effort by the WARHAWKS held the Yellow Jackets leading scorer, Sally Linzmeier, 4 points on 2-12 shooting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2012, 02:11:46 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 15, 2012, 02:11:46 PM
QuoteAfter this game someone said to me. "If that ball had gone in, it might have ruined lives. That's why it didn't go."
Funny you say that. I was curious what would happen to the key St. Lawrence players and their coach after coming so close. I had the feeling that St. Lawrence would have a hard time getting back to that point again.
The coach, of course, turned out just fine. G.P. Gromacki won the title with Amherst last year and has the No. 1 team this year.
A couple years later I interviewed the top player on that team, Meredith Eisenhut. Her sister was playing for Union, a team in St. Lawrence's conference. I probably asked her about the game, but don't remember what she said. I do remember that she was very outgoing, funny and seemed to be enjoying life coaching basketball. I was struck by how extroverted she was.
And the player who missed the shot did well, too. She was pre-med in 2002. Now she's Dr. Barbieri (http://www.dr-cbarbierri.com/), a psychologist in Southern Connecticut.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
Post by: JMM on January 16, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
Week 7 - 2012, 15, 16 and 17th nationally. Great year for the WIAC. LAX should also be in the top 25. The action continues WEDS.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2012, 01:10:42 AM
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2012, 01:10:42 AM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 15, 2012, 02:11:46 PMQuoteAfter this game someone said to me. "If that ball had gone in, it might have ruined lives. That's why it didn't go."
Funny you say that. I was curious what would happen to the key St. Lawrence players and their coach after coming so close. I had the feeling that St. Lawrence would have a hard time getting back to that point again.
The coach, of course, turned out just fine. G.P. Gromacki won the title with Amherst last year and has the No. 1 team this year.
A couple years later I interviewed the top player on that team, Meredith Eisenhut. Her sister was playing for Union, a team in St. Lawrence's conference. I probably asked her about the game, but don't remember what she said. I do remember that she was very outgoing, funny and seemed to be enjoying life coaching basketball. I was struck by how extroverted she was.
And the player who missed the shot did well, too. She was pre-med in 2002. Now she's Dr. Barbieri (http://www.dr-cbarbierri.com/), a psychologist in Southern Connecticut.
#whyd3
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 17, 2012, 02:31:40 PM
Post by: JMM on January 17, 2012, 02:31:40 PM
Pat C., how about a reader poll on who will win the Woman's WIAC. from a WIAC nut.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
The WARHAWKS made it seven straight with a 70-56 victory over Oshkosh last night. The first half was a back and forth sort of game with four ties and seven lead changes. At the eleven minute mark Oshkosh had built their largest lead of the game at six points 18-12. A 10-4 run by the WARHAWKS over the next seven minutes left the two teams tied for the fourth time in the half 22-22. Baskets by Katie Burton and Cortney Kumerow followed by a three-pointer from Kaitlyn Thill extended the run before Oshkosh answered with another basket. Thill drilled another three-pointer to put the WARHAWKS up by ten and a pair of Oshkosh free throws closed out the half with the WARHAWKS on top 34-26. Oshkosh rallied to start the second half with a layup and three consecutive three-pointers to tie the game for the fifth time 39-39 after three and half minutes of play. The two teams traded the lead for the next six minutes when a three-pointer from Thill put the WARHAWKS on top for good 47-45. The lead steadily grew to a high of sixteen before the game ended at fourteen.
Both teams shot the ball pretty well with the Titans finishing the game at an even 50% and the WARHAWKS 52%. The WARHAWKS won the battle of the boards 28-20 and had 10 steals to the Titans 3.
Kumerow led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 13 points. Thill added 12 including 3-3 from beyond the arc while both Mary Merg and Chantel Burg chipped in with 10 apiece. Steff Glynn had a game high 5 rebounds for the WARHAWKS while Burg had a game high 5 steals. Thill's 4 assists were a team high.
Megan Wenig paced the Titans with a game high 17 points. Kelsey Myklebust added 14 and Alicia Tollefson had 11. Wenig's 5 assists were a game high.
Both teams shot the ball pretty well with the Titans finishing the game at an even 50% and the WARHAWKS 52%. The WARHAWKS won the battle of the boards 28-20 and had 10 steals to the Titans 3.
Kumerow led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 13 points. Thill added 12 including 3-3 from beyond the arc while both Mary Merg and Chantel Burg chipped in with 10 apiece. Steff Glynn had a game high 5 rebounds for the WARHAWKS while Burg had a game high 5 steals. Thill's 4 assists were a team high.
Megan Wenig paced the Titans with a game high 17 points. Kelsey Myklebust added 14 and Alicia Tollefson had 11. Wenig's 5 assists were a game high.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 21, 2012, 09:58:28 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 21, 2012, 09:58:28 PM
Trailing UWL 30-28 in the second half, UWEC clamped down on defense, held the Eagles scoreless for about 8 minutes, and went on 13-0 run to take the command in a 49-36 win in EC...
The game between two of the league's top defensive teams was tied at 22 at half; the Eagles hit only 5 of 30 shots in the second half (16.7 %) and were held to their lowest point total output on the season... Overall, the Eagles shot just 22.8% on the night (13-57 FG) and 6-17 from the line (35.5%), but did hit 6 of 17 threes.
UWEC, on the other hand, missed all ten of its threes, but was nearly perfect from the stripe, hitting 15 of 17. Collectively, the team shot 17-47 (36.2%)...Golds held a 45-31 advantage on the boards, while the Eagles had fewer turnovers, at 10 to 16...
Ellen Plendl, who sat quite a bit, had a double-double, with 10boards and 11 points to lead the Blugolds. Callie Halama chipped in 14 points and 8 boards, while freshman Courtney Lewis had a nice game on the boards, too, collecting 8 rebounds... Kassie Robinson led the Eagles with 10 points; Mallory Cramer had 8 rebounds...
Nice crowd at Zorn, with 1,026 fans in attendance... Next up for UWEC (15-3, 8-1) is a trip to Superior on Wednesday (9-8, 3-6). UWL (13-5, 6-3) is off...
The game between two of the league's top defensive teams was tied at 22 at half; the Eagles hit only 5 of 30 shots in the second half (16.7 %) and were held to their lowest point total output on the season... Overall, the Eagles shot just 22.8% on the night (13-57 FG) and 6-17 from the line (35.5%), but did hit 6 of 17 threes.
UWEC, on the other hand, missed all ten of its threes, but was nearly perfect from the stripe, hitting 15 of 17. Collectively, the team shot 17-47 (36.2%)...Golds held a 45-31 advantage on the boards, while the Eagles had fewer turnovers, at 10 to 16...
Ellen Plendl, who sat quite a bit, had a double-double, with 10boards and 11 points to lead the Blugolds. Callie Halama chipped in 14 points and 8 boards, while freshman Courtney Lewis had a nice game on the boards, too, collecting 8 rebounds... Kassie Robinson led the Eagles with 10 points; Mallory Cramer had 8 rebounds...
Nice crowd at Zorn, with 1,026 fans in attendance... Next up for UWEC (15-3, 8-1) is a trip to Superior on Wednesday (9-8, 3-6). UWL (13-5, 6-3) is off...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game and extended their winning streak to eight games by beating Stout 72-55. The WARHAWKS scored first when Cortney Kumerow hit a jumper. Stout tied the game with the next basket but after that the WARHAWKS regained the lead on another jump shot from Kumerow and built it to seven points 11-4 before Stout rallied and tied the score 12-12 with a little less than ten and half minutes to play in the half. Mary Merg gave the WARHAWKS the lead for good with a three-pointer and it quickly grew to double figures reaching a high of eighteen before the half ended with the WARHAWKS on top by sixteen 35-19. Kumerow led both teams with 14 points on 6-7 shooting from the floor while the WARHAWKS dominated the boards 23-14 with Chantel Burg's 8 rebounds leading the way. Stout was a cold 23% (6-26) from the floor. The WARHAWKS also had 16 points off of Stout turnovers. Things only got worse for the Blue Devils in the second half as the WARHAWKS built leads of thirty three points twice and the final score was the closest they would get.
Merg finished with a game high 20 points and Kumerow was close behind with 18. Burg had a game highs with 9 rebounds and 5 assists. Kaitlyn Thill and Katie Burton each had a pair of steals. No WARHAWK played over 26 minutes.
Whitney Rawdon and Brea Boomer each had 11 points to lead the Blue Devils. Rawdon led the team with 6 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS out shot the Blue Devils 47%-35% and outscored them 25-15 off of turnovers. Stout finished with an 36-33 advantage on the boards including 18 on the offensive end.
Merg finished with a game high 20 points and Kumerow was close behind with 18. Burg had a game highs with 9 rebounds and 5 assists. Kaitlyn Thill and Katie Burton each had a pair of steals. No WARHAWK played over 26 minutes.
Whitney Rawdon and Brea Boomer each had 11 points to lead the Blue Devils. Rawdon led the team with 6 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS out shot the Blue Devils 47%-35% and outscored them 25-15 off of turnovers. Stout finished with an 36-33 advantage on the boards including 18 on the offensive end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 25, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
Post by: JMM on January 25, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
The Blugolds continue to win and win on the road but just barely. A credit that they win but seem to struggle. Maybe folks are out to take them down so they really get focused and play extra hard against EC. I think the EC team has struggled and does not find a groove. I absolutely do not see how they wll beat WW on Saturday unless WW has a pretty major let down. Again, think the 14th ranking by D3Hoops ranking is fair but sooner or later the Blugolds will faulter on the road. The WW game is the one unless they overcome the turnovers and missed shots. Superior played outstanding and if it weren't for foul shootingwould have one. Superior and OsKosh could have taken EC down
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 26, 2012, 10:51:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 26, 2012, 10:51:09 AM
Point drilled the WARHAWKS for a second time 80-58. The WARHAWKS held an early lead 19-17 after nine and half minutes but Point scored the next nine to go up 26-19. The WARHAWKS got to within three 26-23 with three and half minutes left in the half but Point scored the final ten points of the half to lead 36-23 when it ended. With the exception of two occassions Point maintained a double figure lead for the entire second half.
Point outshot the WARHAWKS 53% to 33%, outrebounded them 37-29 and had fewer turnovers 15 to 25.
Mary Merg led three WARHAWKS in double figures with 14 points. Jamie Swanson had 12 and Cortney Kumerow 11. Chantel Burg had a team high 3 assists while Merg and Kaitlyn Thill each had 3 steals.
As was the case in their first meeting Averkamp was a tough matchup finishing with 24 points. Sam Barber had a double-double 18 points, 11 rebounds. Brooke Allen also had double figure points with 10 and a game high 5 steals.
Point outshot the WARHAWKS 53% to 33%, outrebounded them 37-29 and had fewer turnovers 15 to 25.
Mary Merg led three WARHAWKS in double figures with 14 points. Jamie Swanson had 12 and Cortney Kumerow 11. Chantel Burg had a team high 3 assists while Merg and Kaitlyn Thill each had 3 steals.
As was the case in their first meeting Averkamp was a tough matchup finishing with 24 points. Sam Barber had a double-double 18 points, 11 rebounds. Brooke Allen also had double figure points with 10 and a game high 5 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 26, 2012, 11:15:55 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on January 26, 2012, 11:15:55 AM
I didn't expect that SP WW result at all. I was thinking SP would win but it would be close. Now Saturday's EC at WW game should be fun to see. I'm thinking that it will be close if WW can keep Halama from going off. I think WW is a little better on the perimeter but they will have a tough time getting anything going on the inside against Plendl.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
Eau Claire scored first on a free throw but the WARHAWKS scored the next eleven to take a lead they would hold for the remainder of the game in the 61-41 win. Eau Claire pulled to within one 17-16 with nine and half minutes to play in the half but the WARHAWKS responded building the lead to ten points 35-25 before the half ended with them on top by eight 35-27. Eau Claire shot just 33% to that point while the WARHAWKS shot 52%. The WARHAWKS scored the first six points of the second half as Eau Claire scored just one point in the first five minutes in what ended up being a 10-1 run by the WARHAWKS. Trailing 45-28 Eau Claire scored the next five points to close the gap to twelve points but the WARHAWKS behind Cortney Kumerow and built the lead back to twenty points 55-33 with just over twelve and half minutes to play and never relinquished a double digit lead after that. Neither team shot well but the WARHAWKS held Eau Claire to just thirteen points on 18% from the field.
Eau Claire shot a chilly 27% from the field including 2-9 from beyond the arc. They also didn't shoot well from the free throw line going 13-22 (59%). The WARHAWKS shooting touch also cooled off finishing the game at 39% but were 13-16 (89%) from the charity stripe. Eau Claire dominated the boards 46-33 but the WARHAWKS had ten fewer turnovers (16-26) and had a 14 to 6 advantage in steals. The WARHAWKS held a 32-7 advantage in points off of turnover, a 21-5 advantage in points off the bench, and surprisingly a 9-6 advantage in points in the paint.
Cortney Kumerow led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 11 points. Katie Burton also scored in double figures with 10 points. All told the WARHAWKS had ten players score points. Chantel Burg had a team high 7 rebounds and a game high 4 steals. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 4 assists.
Ellen Plendl led Eau Claire with game highs in points, 19, rebounds 12, and blocks 6. Plendl also had 3 steals and went 9-9 from the free throw line.
Eau Claire shot a chilly 27% from the field including 2-9 from beyond the arc. They also didn't shoot well from the free throw line going 13-22 (59%). The WARHAWKS shooting touch also cooled off finishing the game at 39% but were 13-16 (89%) from the charity stripe. Eau Claire dominated the boards 46-33 but the WARHAWKS had ten fewer turnovers (16-26) and had a 14 to 6 advantage in steals. The WARHAWKS held a 32-7 advantage in points off of turnover, a 21-5 advantage in points off the bench, and surprisingly a 9-6 advantage in points in the paint.
Cortney Kumerow led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 11 points. Katie Burton also scored in double figures with 10 points. All told the WARHAWKS had ten players score points. Chantel Burg had a team high 7 rebounds and a game high 4 steals. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 4 assists.
Ellen Plendl led Eau Claire with game highs in points, 19, rebounds 12, and blocks 6. Plendl also had 3 steals and went 9-9 from the free throw line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
As Badgerwarhawk has accuratelyy described, WW won easily over EC. WW was outstanding in their pressure and defense and scoring. It was simply hard for EC to shoot (and probably think). As I noted earlier in the week, didn't expect EC to win.There have been some sign of slippage. That said, if EC can get back on the straight and narrow, they play 4 out of the next 5 games at home. All against teams they have beat away (that in no way makes it easy). If EC gets back into groove, could we see Point and EC in a championship game at EC in a couple of weeks. Again, I know it is the WIAC and beating RF may be a mamouth task. I guess the Blugolds need to get back on track and if they do there are lots of good things that can happen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Just to clarify a point I didn't say it was easy. That was your description. Pressure defense did give EC some problems most notably three shot clock violations in the first half. Aside from the first half the WARHAWKS didn't shoot very well. Fortunately EC shot worse.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Post by: JMM on January 30, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Correct, you did not say it as easy, that was me and yes WW shooting in the second half was not that great. EC had plenty of opportunity to catch up but simply did not deliver much of anything (other than Plendil who was phenomenal). That said, WW played smart underneath on offense, pulling Plendil out and passing around her for some easy lay ups. I thought WW had a good game plan and was really prepared for the game. I also think they out and out beat EC by a mile.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 30, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Correct, you did not say it as easy, that was me and yes WW shooting in the second half was not that great. EC had plenty of opportunity to catch up but simply did not deliver much of anything (other than Plendil who was phenomenal). That said, WW played smart underneath on offense, pulling Plendil out and passing around her for some easy lay ups. I thought WW had a good game plan and was really prepared for the game. I also think they out and out beat EC by a mile.
Those are comments that we can agree on.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 01, 2012, 11:49:23 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on February 01, 2012, 11:49:23 PM
stout after battleing sup gets first win fun game to watch
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2012, 10:39:23 AM
The WARHAWKS got their revenge on the home court defeating LaCrosse 71-61. Both teams started the game cold from the field as LaCrosse got the first points of the game after almost three minutes had expired. Cortney Kumerow got the WARHAWKS on the board with a jumper on the ensuing possession and a layup by Jamie Swanson gave them a lead, that with two exceptions, they would build to a high of seven, 22-15, and hold for the remainder of the half which ended with the WARHAWKS on top 31-25. The WARHAWKS were outshot 47% to 43% in the half but had 30 attempts to just 17 for the Eagles. A 9-3 Eagle advantage from the charity stripe kept the score differential in check. Kassie Robinson and Mallory Cramer each had six points for the Eagles while Katie Burton, Chantel Burg and Emily Bestor paced the WARHAWKS with six points apiece. The WARHAWKS maintained a lead for the first two and half minutes of the second half before LaCrosse tied the game 35-35 and then took a two point lead. Mary Merg's three-pointer put the WARHAWKS back on top and they built the lead to seven points 49-42 at the eleven and half mark. After that LaCrosse would get to within a single point 59-58 with two and half minutes and was still within a pair 62-60 with two minutes to go. But another three-pointer from Merg propelled the WARHAWKS and six for six shooting from the charity stripe sealed the deal.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 40% from the floor while the Eagles finished at 48%. LaCrosse held a two point advantage from the charity stripe but made only one of six attempts from behind the arc. The WARHAWKS were five of nine on three-pointers. The WARHAWKS scored 27 points off of 29 Eagle turnovers and outscored the Eagles 13-8 on second chances and 20-15 off of the bench. The WARHAWKS held a 36-32 advantage rebounding including 16-8 on the offensive end.
Mary Merg and Chantel Burg each scored 16 points to pace the WARHAWKS in scoring. All of Merg's points came in the second half. Burg also finished with a game high 9 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill's 6 assists and 4 steals were game highs.
Robinson had a game high 21 points. Cramer's 7 rebounds and Leah Harms 4 assists were team highs for the Eagles.
I think the WARHAWKS may have set a national record for missed three foot and closer shots. Also one of the funniest comments of the season came from a frustrated WARHAWK fan who shouted "don't make me come down there" when a call wasn't to his liking. I have no idea what his plans were but the comment was hilarious.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 40% from the floor while the Eagles finished at 48%. LaCrosse held a two point advantage from the charity stripe but made only one of six attempts from behind the arc. The WARHAWKS were five of nine on three-pointers. The WARHAWKS scored 27 points off of 29 Eagle turnovers and outscored the Eagles 13-8 on second chances and 20-15 off of the bench. The WARHAWKS held a 36-32 advantage rebounding including 16-8 on the offensive end.
Mary Merg and Chantel Burg each scored 16 points to pace the WARHAWKS in scoring. All of Merg's points came in the second half. Burg also finished with a game high 9 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill's 6 assists and 4 steals were game highs.
Robinson had a game high 21 points. Cramer's 7 rebounds and Leah Harms 4 assists were team highs for the Eagles.
I think the WARHAWKS may have set a national record for missed three foot and closer shots. Also one of the funniest comments of the season came from a frustrated WARHAWK fan who shouted "don't make me come down there" when a call wasn't to his liking. I have no idea what his plans were but the comment was hilarious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2012, 05:43:23 PM
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2012, 05:43:23 PM
A big game coming up, the RF and EC re-match. Critical game for EC, a win postitions them for a potential championship shoot out with SP on Feb 18. A RF win stirs the WIAC playoff picture like liquid scamble eggs. Predicting an EC win. The game is at Zorn, EC played very well against OSH, and I just don't think RF matches up well against RF. Laura Olsen will be seeing alot of action and that is good for he Blugolds. The key to the game is EC defense. If they play as they are capable on defense, could be a tough go for RF. EC must pressure the 3pt shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
I don't know if Champ is still reading this board, but if you don't hang out and comment when Stout is bad, it kind of lessens your credibility when Stout is good. You know what I mean?
That and you're fun to have around. C'mon back.
That and you're fun to have around. C'mon back.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 02, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 02, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
Hey, Just Bill:
Not sure if you saw this in the Stevens Point Journal, or the D3 link on the front page, but this was a pretty good story about Cassie Bandow...
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/article/20120131/SPJ02/201310545/UWSP-women-s-basketball-Bandow-might-not-flashy-numbers-intangibles-make-her-leader?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE
"Cassie probably understands the game better than any player I've coached here."
High praise from Coach Egner, who has seen quite a few good ones come through the Berg...
Not sure if you saw this in the Stevens Point Journal, or the D3 link on the front page, but this was a pretty good story about Cassie Bandow...
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/article/20120131/SPJ02/201310545/UWSP-women-s-basketball-Bandow-might-not-flashy-numbers-intangibles-make-her-leader?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE
"Cassie probably understands the game better than any player I've coached here."
High praise from Coach Egner, who has seen quite a few good ones come through the Berg...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
Post by: JMM on February 02, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
Believe Ellen Plendl received her second D3Hoops team of the week for this year. She been pretty remarkable this year. Rebounds, points, block shoots and a leader on and off the court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2012, 07:24:40 AM
Post by: The Champ on February 03, 2012, 07:24:40 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 02, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
I don't know if Champ is still reading this board, but if you don't hang out and comment when Stout is bad, it kind of lessens your credibility when Stout is good. You know what I mean?
That and you're fun to have around. C'mon back.
Bill
I haven't been able to get to a game since the home opener (non conference) back in early November. Even though the results weren't good, I continued posting into December. But then with the holiday break and things getting kind of crazy work and personally, I haven't been posting.
I have been reading though.
When I learned that Sami Schoeder went down during the holiday tournament out East, I thought about posting that. I decided not to for fear that some would take that as an excuse for a continuing bad season.
It most assuredly has been a tough year to be a Stout fan, for sure.
Nice to know that I was missed... ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 04, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 04, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
UWRF (17-4, 9-3) defeats UWEC (17-5, 10-3), 60-59...
The Falcons figuratively stole one in Zorn today, but played well enough that they can say they literally earned the W... Tiffany Gregorich (see fredfalcon's summary on the men's board) was a key player down the stretch for UWRF, scoring the game winner on a layup with 15 seconds left, after sitting on the bench for about two minutes, shaking off the cobwebs from a collision... She led all scorers with 21...
UWEC had a chance to win, but turned the ball over with three seconds left, without getting a shot off. There wasn't enough time for UWEC to get in the three fouls it would have needed to send UWRF to the line, hoping for a miss, rebound and a miracle heave to win it...
Alise Holst had a nice game for UWRF, with 14; several were clutch shots (scored 12 in the second half); she gets my MVP vote for the game (added 7 boards and 4 steals)... Maranada Dohrn pulled down 11 boards... UWEC was led by Callie Halama with 15 and Sarah Bingea with 12... Nicole Christianson had 8 assists, while Ellen Plendl had a monster 10 blocked shots for the 'Golds...
Turnovers and steals were big factors - UWEC had 19 miscues and 7 steals, while the Falcons had only 12 turnovers and 16 steals... Boards were even steven at 32... Blugolds went on an 11-0 run to take a 33-25 lead at the break...
Nice crowd on hand (1,316) on what was alumni day for both the men's and women's teams, and the court dedication to Coach Ken Anderson...
The Falcons figuratively stole one in Zorn today, but played well enough that they can say they literally earned the W... Tiffany Gregorich (see fredfalcon's summary on the men's board) was a key player down the stretch for UWRF, scoring the game winner on a layup with 15 seconds left, after sitting on the bench for about two minutes, shaking off the cobwebs from a collision... She led all scorers with 21...
UWEC had a chance to win, but turned the ball over with three seconds left, without getting a shot off. There wasn't enough time for UWEC to get in the three fouls it would have needed to send UWRF to the line, hoping for a miss, rebound and a miracle heave to win it...
Alise Holst had a nice game for UWRF, with 14; several were clutch shots (scored 12 in the second half); she gets my MVP vote for the game (added 7 boards and 4 steals)... Maranada Dohrn pulled down 11 boards... UWEC was led by Callie Halama with 15 and Sarah Bingea with 12... Nicole Christianson had 8 assists, while Ellen Plendl had a monster 10 blocked shots for the 'Golds...
Turnovers and steals were big factors - UWEC had 19 miscues and 7 steals, while the Falcons had only 12 turnovers and 16 steals... Boards were even steven at 32... Blugolds went on an 11-0 run to take a 33-25 lead at the break...
Nice crowd on hand (1,316) on what was alumni day for both the men's and women's teams, and the court dedication to Coach Ken Anderson...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 04, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 04, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
And down the stretch they come!
The standings for the six playoff spots, and remaning schedules, are:
1) UWSP 11-2, and 19-3 overall. = home Oshkosh; away games at Stout and UWEC...
2) UWEC 10-3, and 17-5 overall. = Stout away; followed by homers against UWP and UWSP...
3) UWRF 9-3, and 17-4 overall. = at Superior; followed by homers against Oshkosh, UWL and WW...
4) UWW 8-4, and 16-5 overall. = home against UWP; then on the road for Superior, Oshkosh and UWRF...
5) UWL 7-5, and 14-7 overall. = Stout and UWP at home; followed by road trips to UWRF and Superior...
6) UW Superior 4-9, and 10-11 overall. = home against UWRF, WW and UWL.
7) UWP 4-9, and 6-15 overall. = on the road to WW, UWL and UWEC...
8) UW Stout 2-10, and 6-15 overall. = at UWL; host UWEC and Point, close out at Oshkosh...
9) UWO 1-11, and 7-14 overall. = at Point and URF; close out at home with WW and Stout...
Point controls its own destiny for conference title... But I'm saying UWEC beats them in EC... But will the 'Golds trip up against Stout or Platteville?...
Falcons have last three at home, including key match vs. WW... WW has sort of been flying under the radar; can't really say that, though - they have a great squad, but will have to be road warriors, finishing last three on the road...
Can UWL go 4-0 (with a win at UWRF), finish with an 18-7 record, win a game or two in the conference to get to 20 on the season, and put themselves on the bubble for the Big Dance?
Superior and UWP have tough schedules; common opponents are UWL and WW... But Superior has home cooking for all three of its games, including hosting UWRF, while UWP is on the road for its three, including to EC...
So... I typed all this up... it's your alls mission to sort it all out and tell me how it all ends up! ;)
The WIAC tournament will, unfortunately, probably knock one of four potential teams out of the Big Dance? :-[
The standings for the six playoff spots, and remaning schedules, are:
1) UWSP 11-2, and 19-3 overall. = home Oshkosh; away games at Stout and UWEC...
2) UWEC 10-3, and 17-5 overall. = Stout away; followed by homers against UWP and UWSP...
3) UWRF 9-3, and 17-4 overall. = at Superior; followed by homers against Oshkosh, UWL and WW...
4) UWW 8-4, and 16-5 overall. = home against UWP; then on the road for Superior, Oshkosh and UWRF...
5) UWL 7-5, and 14-7 overall. = Stout and UWP at home; followed by road trips to UWRF and Superior...
6) UW Superior 4-9, and 10-11 overall. = home against UWRF, WW and UWL.
7) UWP 4-9, and 6-15 overall. = on the road to WW, UWL and UWEC...
8) UW Stout 2-10, and 6-15 overall. = at UWL; host UWEC and Point, close out at Oshkosh...
9) UWO 1-11, and 7-14 overall. = at Point and URF; close out at home with WW and Stout...
Point controls its own destiny for conference title... But I'm saying UWEC beats them in EC... But will the 'Golds trip up against Stout or Platteville?...
Falcons have last three at home, including key match vs. WW... WW has sort of been flying under the radar; can't really say that, though - they have a great squad, but will have to be road warriors, finishing last three on the road...
Can UWL go 4-0 (with a win at UWRF), finish with an 18-7 record, win a game or two in the conference to get to 20 on the season, and put themselves on the bubble for the Big Dance?
Superior and UWP have tough schedules; common opponents are UWL and WW... But Superior has home cooking for all three of its games, including hosting UWRF, while UWP is on the road for its three, including to EC...
So... I typed all this up... it's your alls mission to sort it all out and tell me how it all ends up! ;)
The WIAC tournament will, unfortunately, probably knock one of four potential teams out of the Big Dance? :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Love and appeciated the post on finishing up the WIAC. My thoughts:
1. SP does control it's destiny and should finish with no loses, but
2, EC should have no problem with Stout and UWP, can beat SP at Zorn; have the talent but not the determination for a full 40 minutes. Besides Shirley ain't going to lose. She'll sweat some but won't lose.
3. RF, man are they good and tenacious, the game with WW will be so electric only the strong will be able to watch it, WW wins. RF wins all their other games games.
4. WW will not lose a game for the rest of the year and take the WIAC tournament - if no injuries. Disaplined, tenancious, well coached and on a mission from Bucky Badger.
5. LAX Will lose to RF have a chance for a last hoorah by winning that game but will not win
So WW gets the NCAA bid, and loses in round 2
SP goes NCAA and wins 2 before loss to the Chicago
EC and RF are on the bubble; Maybe EC gets the nod because Plendl brings national attention as an all american and potential Josten's finalist. Out in the second round.
RF unfortunately, EC and RF are on the bubble and one or both may not make it to NCAA land
If EC beats SP in a barn burner at ZORN, could be different. EC needs to come to full maturity before Feb 18 and play the game the way they beat RF at RF. All players heads in the game for 40 minutes.
1. SP does control it's destiny and should finish with no loses, but
2, EC should have no problem with Stout and UWP, can beat SP at Zorn; have the talent but not the determination for a full 40 minutes. Besides Shirley ain't going to lose. She'll sweat some but won't lose.
3. RF, man are they good and tenacious, the game with WW will be so electric only the strong will be able to watch it, WW wins. RF wins all their other games games.
4. WW will not lose a game for the rest of the year and take the WIAC tournament - if no injuries. Disaplined, tenancious, well coached and on a mission from Bucky Badger.
5. LAX Will lose to RF have a chance for a last hoorah by winning that game but will not win
So WW gets the NCAA bid, and loses in round 2
SP goes NCAA and wins 2 before loss to the Chicago
EC and RF are on the bubble; Maybe EC gets the nod because Plendl brings national attention as an all american and potential Josten's finalist. Out in the second round.
RF unfortunately, EC and RF are on the bubble and one or both may not make it to NCAA land
If EC beats SP in a barn burner at ZORN, could be different. EC needs to come to full maturity before Feb 18 and play the game the way they beat RF at RF. All players heads in the game for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2012, 09:50:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2012, 09:50:20 AM
For the fifth time this season the WARHAWKS held an opponent under fifty points by beating Platteville 62-48. The WARHAWKS started the game with a 9-0 run and maintained a lead of at least four points before building it to double digits 22-12 with nine minutes remaining in the half. Platteville got to within seven points with just under six minutes to play but the WARHAWKS went back up by twelve at the three minute mark and the half ended with them up ten 34-24. The WARHAWKS dominated the boards 20 to 10 and outshot the Pioneers 58% to 33%. Courtney Kumerow went 4-4 from the floor and led all scorers with 9 points. Much like the first half the second one started with a WARHAWK run 13-4 and the lead reached twenty points 51-31 in the first nine minutes. After that fourteen is the closest the Pioneers would get.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting an even 50% to the Pioneers 32% and held a 40-27 margin on the boards. Platteville had fewer turnovers 22 to 27 but the WARHAWKS held a 22-14 edge in points off of them. Platteville struggled dealing with the WARHAWK bigs which led to a 32-20 scoring advantage in the paint and an 11-6 advantage in second chance points. The two teams combined to shoot just 14 free throws.
Kumerow finished 7 of 7 from the floor and 2 of 3 from the free throw line for a game high 17 points. Chantel Burg had game highs of 10 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 steals to go with her 9 points. Mary Merg also had 3 assists.
Platteville was led by Alyissa Krajco who came off the bench to score 10 points and grab 5 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting an even 50% to the Pioneers 32% and held a 40-27 margin on the boards. Platteville had fewer turnovers 22 to 27 but the WARHAWKS held a 22-14 edge in points off of them. Platteville struggled dealing with the WARHAWK bigs which led to a 32-20 scoring advantage in the paint and an 11-6 advantage in second chance points. The two teams combined to shoot just 14 free throws.
Kumerow finished 7 of 7 from the floor and 2 of 3 from the free throw line for a game high 17 points. Chantel Burg had game highs of 10 rebounds, 3 assists and 4 steals to go with her 9 points. Mary Merg also had 3 assists.
Platteville was led by Alyissa Krajco who came off the bench to score 10 points and grab 5 rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on February 09, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
Post by: The Champ on February 09, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
Well, made my first regular season WIAC BB game last night. Closer for us to go to LaCrosse than it is to go to Menomonie - and I didn't have to run any training programs at the Tech College in Rochester last night!
Was really a pretty exciting game that went right down to the wire. Both teams had some big lapses during the game - i.e. no one going after a rebound (either team).
With 2 seconds left, Stout had a 2 point deficit and they weren't able to block the inbound pass or cause UWL to get a 5 second violation. In an attempt to steal the ball, Whitney Rawdon got called for a foul and 2 FT's made the final 65 - 61.
Not being able to stop Kassie Robinson underneath was the difference in the game. Her 23 points led all scorers.
Neither team was hitting FT's very well. In the second half, both teams were only in the mid 50% on FT's. But the FT's made the difference as UWL had 25 FT attempts to Stout's 13.
It was worth the trip to see the Blue Devil women play. Wish I could have caught one of their recent wins. Had some good chats with some of the parents during and after the game.
Can't make it to the Stout Alumni game this Saturday due to other commitments. The Alumni game is something we really enjoy attending as quite a few of the former players come in and it's fun to catch up with what they are doing in the real world.
Was really a pretty exciting game that went right down to the wire. Both teams had some big lapses during the game - i.e. no one going after a rebound (either team).
With 2 seconds left, Stout had a 2 point deficit and they weren't able to block the inbound pass or cause UWL to get a 5 second violation. In an attempt to steal the ball, Whitney Rawdon got called for a foul and 2 FT's made the final 65 - 61.
Not being able to stop Kassie Robinson underneath was the difference in the game. Her 23 points led all scorers.
Neither team was hitting FT's very well. In the second half, both teams were only in the mid 50% on FT's. But the FT's made the difference as UWL had 25 FT attempts to Stout's 13.
It was worth the trip to see the Blue Devil women play. Wish I could have caught one of their recent wins. Had some good chats with some of the parents during and after the game.
Can't make it to the Stout Alumni game this Saturday due to other commitments. The Alumni game is something we really enjoy attending as quite a few of the former players come in and it's fun to catch up with what they are doing in the real world.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 11, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 11, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
Thanks for the updated standings, but a few things I think you missed.
UWP is actually the 6 seed based on tiebreakers. They swept the season series against Superior. Might seem minor, but since the 6 seed makes the conference tournament and the 7 is done for the year, it is pretty major.
And because of byes this week, Superior is off Wednesday and Platteville is off Saturday. Platteviile has played EC very tough the last couple years. So if Plattevile wins Wednesday they are in the conference tournament.
Good race at the top, I expect SP to take care of Stout. There is no way they overlook a Stout team on the road that is playing very good ball lately, sans today.
Another typical season in the WIAC!
UWP is actually the 6 seed based on tiebreakers. They swept the season series against Superior. Might seem minor, but since the 6 seed makes the conference tournament and the 7 is done for the year, it is pretty major.
And because of byes this week, Superior is off Wednesday and Platteville is off Saturday. Platteviile has played EC very tough the last couple years. So if Plattevile wins Wednesday they are in the conference tournament.
Good race at the top, I expect SP to take care of Stout. There is no way they overlook a Stout team on the road that is playing very good ball lately, sans today.
Another typical season in the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 11, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
This is the post Out Of My Kitchen is referring to; I deleted the one from earlier, and cut and pasted this one here, with the corrections... That's why it shows up after his post... He's not a psychic, or able to read invisible ink! ;)
Saturday scores:
UWW 69, Superior 50
UWL 64, Platteville 57
UWRF 71, Oshkosh 46
UWEC 72, Stout 40
Pointers off
Two games left in the regular season - standings are:
1) UWSP 12-2, and 20-3 overall: away games at Stout and UWEC...
2) UWRF 11-3, and 19-4 overall: homers against UWL and WW...
3) UWEC 11-3, and 18-5 overall: homers against UWP and UWSP...
4) UWW 10-4, and 18-5 overall: away games at Oshkosh and UWRF...
5) UWL 9-5, and 16-7 overall: road trips to UWRF and Superior...
6) UW Superior 4-11, and 10-13 overall: home against UWL...
7) UWP 4-11, and 8-16 overall: at UWEC...
8) UW Stout 2-12, and 6-17 overall: host Point, on road at Oshkosh...
9) UWO 1-13, and 7-16 overall: homers against WW and Stout...
I fixed the errors, as noted by Out Of My Kitchen... Nice catches...
The WIAC site has Superior listed ahead of Platteville, based on overall records. So I just listed them that way, without taking into account any tiebreakers situations, which I have no clue how they will work out this year, seeings there are so many different scenarios possible. Ha...
(I think I messed up Platteville's record in the previous post on Feb. 4, too. But if bulk19 makes an error, and nobody points it out, did he really make an error? ;) )
Saturday scores:
UWW 69, Superior 50
UWL 64, Platteville 57
UWRF 71, Oshkosh 46
UWEC 72, Stout 40
Pointers off
Two games left in the regular season - standings are:
1) UWSP 12-2, and 20-3 overall: away games at Stout and UWEC...
2) UWRF 11-3, and 19-4 overall: homers against UWL and WW...
3) UWEC 11-3, and 18-5 overall: homers against UWP and UWSP...
4) UWW 10-4, and 18-5 overall: away games at Oshkosh and UWRF...
5) UWL 9-5, and 16-7 overall: road trips to UWRF and Superior...
6) UW Superior 4-11, and 10-13 overall: home against UWL...
7) UWP 4-11, and 8-16 overall: at UWEC...
8) UW Stout 2-12, and 6-17 overall: host Point, on road at Oshkosh...
9) UWO 1-13, and 7-16 overall: homers against WW and Stout...
I fixed the errors, as noted by Out Of My Kitchen... Nice catches...
The WIAC site has Superior listed ahead of Platteville, based on overall records. So I just listed them that way, without taking into account any tiebreakers situations, which I have no clue how they will work out this year, seeings there are so many different scenarios possible. Ha...
(I think I messed up Platteville's record in the previous post on Feb. 4, too. But if bulk19 makes an error, and nobody points it out, did he really make an error? ;) )
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoopsguy45 on February 14, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
Post by: Hoopsguy45 on February 14, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 11, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
Thanks for the updated standings, but a few things I think you missed.
UWP is actually the 6 seed based on tiebreakers. They swept the season series against Superior. Might seem minor, but since the 6 seed makes the conference tournament and the 7 is done for the year, it is pretty major.
And because of byes this week, Superior is off Wednesday and Platteville is off Saturday. Platteviile has played EC very tough the last couple years. So if Plattevile wins Wednesday they are in the conference tournament.
Good race at the top, I expect SP to take care of Stout. There is no way they overlook a Stout team on the road that is playing very good ball lately, sans today.
Another typical season in the WIAC!
Platteville is currently the 6 seed, BUT they did not sweep the season series from Superior. Superior beat them in Superior in December.
The tiebreaker goes all the way down to step 4 which is road wins in WIAC games. Platteville beat Stout at Stout wile Superior beat Stout in Superior. Platteville's two wins on the road puts them ahead of Superior's one road win in WIAC play.
All of that being said, I expect Superior to earn the 6 seed with a win at home versus La Crosse on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2012, 10:32:16 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2012, 10:32:16 AM
A layup from Katie Burton gave the WARHAWKS the first points of the game and a lead they would hold the rest of the way in blow out 85-50 win over Oshkosh. Oshkosh failed to score for the first six minutes of the game but the WARHAWKS weren't doing much better as they led only 7-3. Oshkosh would keep the differential within single digits until Kaitlyn Thill's layup put the WARHAWKS up 21-11. After that the WARHAWKS would continue to built on the lead and the half ended with the score 40-24. Burton's 11 points led the WARHAWKS while Titan guard Katie Klitzke's 14 points were a game high. Titan center Heather Conroy pulled down 10 rebounds in the half. The WARHAWKS started the second half with a 25-10 run in the first four minutes. They reached their largest lead of the night, 71-34, on an Amy Mandrell layup at the midway point of the half and after that the Titan's never got closer than twenty nine points the rest of the way.
The WARHAWKS defense held Oshkosh to 30% shooting on the night while their offense shot 46% and they held a 46-35 advantage on the boards. Points off of turnovers (24-4), second chance points (15-9), bench points (37-13) and points in the paint (44-14) all favored the WARHAWKS.
Mary Merg's 16 points and Burton's 11 led fourteen WARHAWK players who scored. Merg also had 3 steals. Chantel Burg's stat line read 9 points, 8 rebounds and game highs of 5 assists and 2 blocks. Thill had a game high 4 steals.
Klitzke's 20 points led all scorers and Conroy's 11 rebounds were a game high.
The win, coupled with a LaCrosse loss at River Falls, clinches no worse than a 4 seed for the WARHAWKS and home floor in the quarterfinals of the conference tournament. With River Falls still on the schedule that could improve to at least a 3 seed with a win. Eau Claire finishes the season hosting Stevens Point. A WARHAWK win coupled with a BluGold loss would leave the WARHAWKS with the 2 seed by virtue of the two team's records against River Falls.
The WARHAWKS defense held Oshkosh to 30% shooting on the night while their offense shot 46% and they held a 46-35 advantage on the boards. Points off of turnovers (24-4), second chance points (15-9), bench points (37-13) and points in the paint (44-14) all favored the WARHAWKS.
Mary Merg's 16 points and Burton's 11 led fourteen WARHAWK players who scored. Merg also had 3 steals. Chantel Burg's stat line read 9 points, 8 rebounds and game highs of 5 assists and 2 blocks. Thill had a game high 4 steals.
Klitzke's 20 points led all scorers and Conroy's 11 rebounds were a game high.
The win, coupled with a LaCrosse loss at River Falls, clinches no worse than a 4 seed for the WARHAWKS and home floor in the quarterfinals of the conference tournament. With River Falls still on the schedule that could improve to at least a 3 seed with a win. Eau Claire finishes the season hosting Stevens Point. A WARHAWK win coupled with a BluGold loss would leave the WARHAWKS with the 2 seed by virtue of the two team's records against River Falls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: SilversSports on February 16, 2012, 10:58:05 AM
Post by: SilversSports on February 16, 2012, 10:58:05 AM
Good win for River Falls last night as the Karges Center said forget #linsanity, its #Luesanity as So. Tess Lueders drops 18 off the bench to lead all scorers. Good night all-around for the Falcons, limiting Robinson on the defensive end and getting four scorers in double digits, Lueders 18, Holst 15, T. Gregorich, 13, Dorhn 13. Dorhn picked up her 8th double-double of the season and 21st of her career as well as moved into 10th all-time in the WIAC in career rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
Two days to the WIAC showdown, EC and SP; RF and WW. Should be feeling the earth rattle in West Central WI as the teams start play. Coach Englund thinks EC matches up well against SP. I think if she gets her crew to play the full 40 minutes, with out the usual EC mid-game, 10 minute lull, EC wins. Last night they looked Ooohhh so good against UWP but there was that 10 minutes of missing time at the start of the second half, when the EC went into the "NO ZONE" - no scoring-no defense-no great play. They certainly did come out of it to achieve a really nice win but, you cannot do that with SP, RF or WW. That "NO ZONE" habit which has been in almost every game, has me thinking SP.
I like WW over RF but I know that RF is super, super good. Seen WW play three times in the last few weeks and they are playing well and in grand form. This is a game of desire to win. I think when WW wants to win, they are hard to stop. It will be a treat to watch two teams play each other where the defense is so tight, you can barely slide a piece of paper in between playes. They both do this better than anyone. I'm going SP and WW. Unless the Blugolds but away th "NO ZONE"and play the full 40 minutes. It is crunch time ladies! Crunch time in the WIAC, Downtown Wisconsin, right there where Bucky Badger lives.
I like WW over RF but I know that RF is super, super good. Seen WW play three times in the last few weeks and they are playing well and in grand form. This is a game of desire to win. I think when WW wants to win, they are hard to stop. It will be a treat to watch two teams play each other where the defense is so tight, you can barely slide a piece of paper in between playes. They both do this better than anyone. I'm going SP and WW. Unless the Blugolds but away th "NO ZONE"and play the full 40 minutes. It is crunch time ladies! Crunch time in the WIAC, Downtown Wisconsin, right there where Bucky Badger lives.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 18, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
Post by: JMM on February 18, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
After much thinking and an uplifting almost spiritual conversation with Bucky the Bdger, I now beleive EC takes SP. SP is due for a road loss and a little let down. Also Shirley, the WIAC Coaching Ace, can't always win. EC by 5.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 18, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 18, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
In looking at the standings and results for Point, Eau Claire, WW, and River Falls, even a Point loss today would still get them the #1 seed in the WIAC tournament. A loss to EC would leave them tied with EC and possibly RF. Since Point, EC and RF would have all split with each other, the next team is WW. Point beat them twice while EC and RF each lost to WW. Therefore, I can't see any way that SP won't be the #1 seed - win or lose today. After that, the possibilities for #2-4 seeding seem endless.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 18, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Post by: JMM on February 18, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Correct, SP is number 1 seed. But Bucky Badger was right and it was a grand day for EC. EC is WIAC Champ with SP. The play of Plendl and Halama underneath was probably the best ever seen for a Woman's basketball game at Zorn - probably men as well. Callie would absolutely not be denied, she and EC were going to win and Ms. Halama slammed it home, again and again and again. EC came to play for 40 minutes and really poured it on in the end. SP is grand, Shirley is the WIAC Ace but today they had to settle for a shared championship. I still think that WW will win the tournament (unless the same EC team that just beat SP shows up next Thursday). I see WW and SP in the championship game with WW taking the ticket to NCAA-ville. I will commune with Buckey Badger again next Thursday to see f he disagrees, but for now SP and WW for the championshp with WW taking the marbles. Hey, this is the WIAC 4 teams in the top 25. Great year gang! (who is Amherst anyway or Chicago for that matter.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 18, 2012, 11:07:13 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 18, 2012, 11:07:13 PM
UWEC's bigs dominated, as the Blugolds stormed back from a 29-21 deficit at the break to outscore the Pointers 45-26 in the second half to win 66-55 in Eau Claire...
UWEC's Callie Halama had a double double, with 13 boards and a career high 27 points, to lead all scorers. Teammate Ellen Plendl also doubled up, with 12 boards and 20 points... Myranda Tyler led UWSP with 12 points; Sam Barber and Brooke Allen each had 11...
Pointers held the Blugolds hoopless for nearly 10 minutes in the first half, but the Golds went on a 10-run to start the second half and evened things up at about the 17 minute mark. Teams went back and forth for the next 7 minutes, until Nicole Christianson hit the first of two huge three pointers, to put UWEC up 43-40. She hit another at the 7:16 mark to put the Golds up 50-46...
Point went up by 2, 52-50, at around 6 minutes left, but then UWEC outscored them 16-5 the rest of the way, 10 of them coming on free throws... UWEC was 20 of 24 from the stripe; UWSP went 2 of 6.
The Pointers shot better, 24-56 (.429), than UWEC (22-62, for .355, including an ugly 7-28 in the first half), but the Golds held the edge on the boards, 45-33, and outscored Point in the paint, 32-10...
Key stat of the day: Blugolds played possession ball, and only had 7 turnovers... If they can duplicate that effort down the road...
Second key stat of the day: Big crowd that the Blugolds fed off of - 1,576!
The win gives UWEC (13-3, 20-5) a share of the conference title with the Pointers (13-3, 21-4). As a result, both teams get first round byes on Tuesday, with the Pointers being the top seed.
Other scores today: UWW 67, UWRF 61...
Superior 79, UWL 68...
Stout 65, Oshkosh 60...
The parings for Tuesday put #6 Superior (5-11, 12-13) at #3 Whitewater (12-4, 20-5) and #5 La Crosse (9-7, 16-9) at #4 River Falls (12-4, 20-5)
UWEC's Callie Halama had a double double, with 13 boards and a career high 27 points, to lead all scorers. Teammate Ellen Plendl also doubled up, with 12 boards and 20 points... Myranda Tyler led UWSP with 12 points; Sam Barber and Brooke Allen each had 11...
Pointers held the Blugolds hoopless for nearly 10 minutes in the first half, but the Golds went on a 10-run to start the second half and evened things up at about the 17 minute mark. Teams went back and forth for the next 7 minutes, until Nicole Christianson hit the first of two huge three pointers, to put UWEC up 43-40. She hit another at the 7:16 mark to put the Golds up 50-46...
Point went up by 2, 52-50, at around 6 minutes left, but then UWEC outscored them 16-5 the rest of the way, 10 of them coming on free throws... UWEC was 20 of 24 from the stripe; UWSP went 2 of 6.
The Pointers shot better, 24-56 (.429), than UWEC (22-62, for .355, including an ugly 7-28 in the first half), but the Golds held the edge on the boards, 45-33, and outscored Point in the paint, 32-10...
Key stat of the day: Blugolds played possession ball, and only had 7 turnovers... If they can duplicate that effort down the road...
Second key stat of the day: Big crowd that the Blugolds fed off of - 1,576!
The win gives UWEC (13-3, 20-5) a share of the conference title with the Pointers (13-3, 21-4). As a result, both teams get first round byes on Tuesday, with the Pointers being the top seed.
Other scores today: UWW 67, UWRF 61...
Superior 79, UWL 68...
Stout 65, Oshkosh 60...
The parings for Tuesday put #6 Superior (5-11, 12-13) at #3 Whitewater (12-4, 20-5) and #5 La Crosse (9-7, 16-9) at #4 River Falls (12-4, 20-5)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoopsguy45 on February 18, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
Post by: Hoopsguy45 on February 18, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopsguy45 on February 14, 2012, 12:55:25 PMQuote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 11, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
Thanks for the updated standings, but a few things I think you missed.
UWP is actually the 6 seed based on tiebreakers. They swept the season series against Superior. Might seem minor, but since the 6 seed makes the conference tournament and the 7 is done for the year, it is pretty major.
And because of byes this week, Superior is off Wednesday and Platteville is off Saturday. Platteviile has played EC very tough the last couple years. So if Plattevile wins Wednesday they are in the conference tournament.
Good race at the top, I expect SP to take care of Stout. There is no way they overlook a Stout team on the road that is playing very good ball lately, sans today.
Another typical season in the WIAC!
Platteville is currently the 6 seed, BUT they did not sweep the season series from Superior. Superior beat them in Superior in December.
The tiebreaker goes all the way down to step 4 which is road wins in WIAC games. Platteville beat Stout at Stout wile Superior beat Stout in Superior. Platteville's two wins on the road puts them ahead of Superior's one road win in WIAC play.
All of that being said, I expect Superior to earn the 6 seed with a win at home versus La Crosse on Saturday.
Just giving props to myself for predicting the win...and props to the UW-Superior women for playing a great game today and pulling out the win at home. I feel like they are a deserving playoff team even though they have struggled since their freshmen guard Linzmeier went down.
I know it's just the 6th seed and they certainly won't be expected to win at Whitewater, but it was definitely a decent year in Superior for the women's team this year and I expect them to put out a heck of an effort on Tuesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 19, 2012, 08:41:32 AM
Post by: JMM on February 19, 2012, 08:41:32 AM
Some follow up from the play of the "bigs" in the EC win over SP, from the Eau Claire Leader Newspaper:
-That hunger was personified in Halama, a 5-foot-11 forward from Independence who picked a great time for the best game of her career. She relentlessly attacked the offensive and defensive glass, finishing with 13 rebounds. She put the team on her back during a stretch in the second half and finished with 27 points.
"She got the crowd into the game," Englund said. "She just wouldn't quit. A lot of time she hit off the top of the board, underneath the rim, but she just keeps on going."
Happy for Blugolds and happy for Callie who had wanted to be a blugold since she was a kid.
-That hunger was personified in Halama, a 5-foot-11 forward from Independence who picked a great time for the best game of her career. She relentlessly attacked the offensive and defensive glass, finishing with 13 rebounds. She put the team on her back during a stretch in the second half and finished with 27 points.
"She got the crowd into the game," Englund said. "She just wouldn't quit. A lot of time she hit off the top of the board, underneath the rim, but she just keeps on going."
Happy for Blugolds and happy for Callie who had wanted to be a blugold since she was a kid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
Since the inception of the conference tournament only one team not seeded first or second has won it. Stevens Point was a #3 seed in the 2007-08 season and won. Point has a four season streak as conference tournament champion going. Aside from the Pointers (5) and Blue Devils (4) only two other programs have won, Eau Claire (3) and Oshkosh (1). The #1 seed has won 11 times and the #2 and #3 have each won once.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
WIAC teams remaiin nationally ranked on D3Hoops. 12 - SP, 16-EC, 21-RF, 23-WW. The tournament should be pretty good. Can 3 teams make the NCAA? If SP or EC wins the WIAC ticket, maybe. If RF or WW, just don't know. Anyone have insights or guesses?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2012, 11:10:13 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 20, 2012, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 20, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
WIAC teams remaiin nationally ranked on D3Hoops. 12 - SP, 16-EC, 21-RF, 23-WW. The tournament should be pretty good. Can 3 teams make the NCAA? If SP or EC wins the WIAC ticket, maybe. If RF or WW, just don't know. Anyone have insights or guesses?
Just taking the top 4 seeds - The worst each team would be if it lost its first game:
UWSP 21-5, and the other three would each be 20-6, and would probably still be in the Top 25...
That warrants an NCAA berth for all four teams, in my book, no matter how the other conference tournaments shake out, even if there are upsets...
However, UWL has beaten Whitewater and Point, and if the Eagles come out to just have some fun and don't feel any pressure, (like on extended bonus play on a video game ;) ), and get on a roll, and win the WIAC tournament... That really throws a wrench into the mix...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2012, 07:11:17 AM
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2012, 07:11:17 AM
Took in the RF-LAX game. LAX had its chances several times but missed shots underneath and too often took bad shoots in the last 10 minutes. LAX is a very solid team. RF did what they had to do, but they could have been beaten last night. I do not see RF beating SP.
EC will have their hands full with WW. I see WW taking this game. That could leave EC with no NCAA bid. Question is whether or not EC is content with the shared WIAC championship or if they are hungry for more. Thursday night, Zorn Arena at 7 PM.
EC will have their hands full with WW. I see WW taking this game. That could leave EC with no NCAA bid. Question is whether or not EC is content with the shared WIAC championship or if they are hungry for more. Thursday night, Zorn Arena at 7 PM.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2012, 10:17:45 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2012, 10:17:45 AM
The WARHAWKS broke a team and conference tournament record by making 14 three point baskets in a lopsided 92-55 win over Superior. Going 6 of 6 from beyond the arc to start the game the WARHAWKS quickly built a double digit lead in the first three and half minutes of the game. Superior managed to cut it to a low of seven afterwards but a three pointer from Emily Bestor stretched it back to double digits and it only got larger after that. The score was 52-18 at the half. The WARHAWKS shot 52% from the floor including 7 of 11 three pointers. Mary Merg led all scorers with 10 points while Jamie Swanson and Bestor each added 9. Superior only connected on 30% fo their shots and had 17 turnovers 10 of which were steals by the WARHAWK defenders. The lead grew to a high of 42 points in the first five minutes of the second half before Superior whittled it down to a low of 27 with a full court press against reserves.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 52% from the floor including 20 assists on 29 baskets and 14 of 25 three pointers. They out rebounded the Yellow Jackets 40-30. Seven WARHAWKS hit a three point shot.
Merg led all scorers with 18 points in 21 minutes of playing time. Swanson added 17 points and was 4 of 6 from beyond the arc. Sam Quandt also score in double figures with 10 points. Chantel Burg had game highs of 7 assists and 5 steals. The WARHAWKS got points from fourteen different players. Swanson and Steph Glynn had a team high 6 rebounds apiece.
Bri Davis and Hailey Hart led the Yellow Jackets with 8 points each. Davis had a game high 7 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 52% from the floor including 20 assists on 29 baskets and 14 of 25 three pointers. They out rebounded the Yellow Jackets 40-30. Seven WARHAWKS hit a three point shot.
Merg led all scorers with 18 points in 21 minutes of playing time. Swanson added 17 points and was 4 of 6 from beyond the arc. Sam Quandt also score in double figures with 10 points. Chantel Burg had game highs of 7 assists and 5 steals. The WARHAWKS got points from fourteen different players. Swanson and Steph Glynn had a team high 6 rebounds apiece.
Bri Davis and Hailey Hart led the Yellow Jackets with 8 points each. Davis had a game high 7 rebounds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
WoW! Final regional rankings! Guess what team needs to beat Whitewater to make the tournament. Tomorrow night could be the last game of a great season for that school on the Chippewa River - the "clear water school". I don't see them taking down Whitewater. WW over EC by 8.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 22, 2012, 11:55:02 PM
Post by: buf on February 22, 2012, 11:55:02 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 22, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
WoW! Final regional rankings! Guess what team needs to beat Whitewater to make the tournament. Tomorrow night could be the last game of a great season for that school on the Chippewa River - the "clear water school". I don't see them taking down Whitewater. WW over EC by 8.
Yes, I'm a bit suprised to see EC fall out of the rankings after going 2-0, including a win over the conference leader at the time. Instead, UWW leapfrogs at least 2 teams into 5th place. One other factor to consider is that UWEC's results against regional ranked opponents is a bit delayed. As I found out in the men's CCIW room, since UWW just got in the regional rankings for the 1st time, its opponents will not get credit for 'results against that regionally ranked opponent' until the following week. So essentially UWEC is 3-4 (7 games) vs 2-3 (5 games). They will obviously pick up yet another result when they play UWW Thrusday evening.
Just because UWEC is not in the regional rankings doesn't mean that they can't get an at large. In fact if I remember correctly, the regional rankings throughout the nation don't even add up to the number of teams that will make the national tournament. Also, you could have lets say 10 teams in from the Central. Four of those would not show in the last regional rankings. There is no limit as to how many teams from a particular region can get into the tournament.
With the above said, its a big game for both teams. I'm not sure who is going to win. UWW does scare me a bit right now. In my opinion, they are the team that is peaking the most at the end of the season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2012, 10:24:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2012, 10:24:35 AM
I don't think that there will be any more regional rankings released.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2012, 10:37:50 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2012, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2012, 10:24:35 AMNot released publicly, but there will be another one created by the regional committee that will be passed on to the national committee. And it will have more than the six teams listed. Still, I wouldn't hang out on the bubble if I was UWEC. Too many upsets across the country and they'll be out.
I don't think that there will be any more regional rankings released.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2012, 01:56:56 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2012, 01:56:56 PM
UWEC will win tonight. By 5. At least.
The Warhawks are not going to hit 14 threes tonight. Rather, with the focus on UWEC's bigs, it'll be time for the Blugold guards to step it up, patiently dictate the tempo, knock down the shots, and keep the turnovers to under 10. And they will do so...
I predict EC will hit the big threes tonight. And the 6th man at Zorn will give the 'Golds the boost they need; the team will feed off that energy again, like it did against the Pointers...
They played extremely well against the UWSP; that will carry over tonight... This team showed the urgency, and hungerness, and confidence, it needed at year's end on Saturday against the Pointers, and is not a bubble team; it is an NCAA D3 tournament team. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't seen it.
The Golds will prove tonight that the regional rankings are wrong.
The Warhawks are not going to hit 14 threes tonight. Rather, with the focus on UWEC's bigs, it'll be time for the Blugold guards to step it up, patiently dictate the tempo, knock down the shots, and keep the turnovers to under 10. And they will do so...
I predict EC will hit the big threes tonight. And the 6th man at Zorn will give the 'Golds the boost they need; the team will feed off that energy again, like it did against the Pointers...
They played extremely well against the UWSP; that will carry over tonight... This team showed the urgency, and hungerness, and confidence, it needed at year's end on Saturday against the Pointers, and is not a bubble team; it is an NCAA D3 tournament team. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't seen it.
The Golds will prove tonight that the regional rankings are wrong.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2012, 10:04:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2012, 10:04:48 PM
A gutsy effort from the WARHAWKS who trailed for the entire game until just under two and half minutes when we took our first lead. A pair of steals and offensive rebounds in the final minute capped by two free throws from Courtney Kumerow put the game away 57-53.
EauClaire kills themselves with 28 turnovers (19 steals) to the WARHAWKS 11. Turnovers, three point baskets (6 to 2) and offensive rebounds (15) overcomes 27% shooting and sends the WARHAWKS on to Point.
Only Coach Carollo's second win in eleven tries at Zorn.
EauClaire kills themselves with 28 turnovers (19 steals) to the WARHAWKS 11. Turnovers, three point baskets (6 to 2) and offensive rebounds (15) overcomes 27% shooting and sends the WARHAWKS on to Point.
Only Coach Carollo's second win in eleven tries at Zorn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 23, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 23, 2012, 10:37:50 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2012, 10:24:35 AMNot released publicly, but there will be another one created by the regional committee that will be passed on to the national committee. And it will have more than the six teams listed. Still, I wouldn't hang out on the bubble if I was UWEC. Too many upsets across the country and they'll be out.
I don't think that there will be any more regional rankings released.
IIRC, the final rankings now DO get released, but not until after the selections have already been announced, so not much help for 'Pool C watchers'. :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: GBMAN on February 23, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Post by: GBMAN on February 23, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Gutsy performance by the lady Warhawk's.... Congrats to the coaching staff, players, and fans that made the trip to EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 23, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
Post by: buf on February 23, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
As BW said, EC kills themselves with turnovers. The press did most of the damage. But you also have to factor in the time it took EC to get over the half court line (when they didn't turn it over). Hard to dump it down to the bigs with only 15 seconds in the frontcourt.
With a win, EC would have been a lock. Now EC sits on the bubble.
With a win, EC would have been a lock. Now EC sits on the bubble.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 23, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Throw my UWEC-WW prediction out the window... ;)
Or just take the opposite of everything I said, and you get a WW win... Blugold guard play wasn't the key tonight, but for that they didn't keep feeding the ball to Halama the whole night, and let it ride on her shoulders... The Warhawks had trouble stopping her... Plendl had a double-double, too.
Golds only had two threes, and, as badgerwarhawk notes, killed themselves by 28 turnovers. Ouch. Warhawks had 19 steals...
So, that being said, my prognostications prove I'm just a man behind the curtains, so I'll see you all next season, since UWEC's rankings in the national polls are just illusions, and the team isn't worthy of an NCAA bid, due to the regional ratings...
Or just take the opposite of everything I said, and you get a WW win... Blugold guard play wasn't the key tonight, but for that they didn't keep feeding the ball to Halama the whole night, and let it ride on her shoulders... The Warhawks had trouble stopping her... Plendl had a double-double, too.
Golds only had two threes, and, as badgerwarhawk notes, killed themselves by 28 turnovers. Ouch. Warhawks had 19 steals...
So, that being said, my prognostications prove I'm just a man behind the curtains, so I'll see you all next season, since UWEC's rankings in the national polls are just illusions, and the team isn't worthy of an NCAA bid, due to the regional ratings...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 23, 2012, 11:53:21 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 23, 2012, 11:53:21 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 23, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Throw my UWEC-WW prediction out the window... ;)
Or just take the opposite of everything I said, and you get a WW win... Blugold guard play wasn't the key tonight, but for that they didn't keep feeding the ball to Halama the whole night, and let it ride on her shoulders... The Warhawks had trouble stopping her... Plendl had a double-double, too.
Golds only had two threes, and, as badgerwarhawk notes, killed themselves by 28 turnovers. Ouch. Warhawks had 19 steals...
So, that being said, my prognostications prove I'm just a man behind the curtains, so I'll see you all next season, since UWEC's rankings in the national polls are just illusions, and the team isn't worthy of an NCAA bid, due to the regional ratings...
I just really have a hard time believing the committee would leave out a team that split the WIAC regular season title. If EC does not make the NCAAs it really would be a shame.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Back to my prediction of a few weeks ago. WW wins the tournament. It is desire and ferocious defense. As for EC. Those who follow them know that they are plagued by turnovers for the last two years. WW knew that and put it to them. I was there, the refs out and out stunk the place out. There were bad calls made at times that stopped EC from taking a 15-20 point lead. The crowd Boooo'd the refs and the refs just called more contaversail stuff in the crowds face. I am venturing to SP to see if the "WIAC ACE - Shirley E." can stop the Tasmanian Devil WW Defense. Where do they get that energy? Hope EC makes the tournament. They should be there but probably won't. If they make it - a super great year. That said, they are WIAC champs and that flag will hang until they tear ZORN down.
EC coaching did not make any adjustemnts to stop the trapping at the top of the key. There was the problem. They forgot ball control and fell for the WW intimation game - WW does it sooooo well. Hope you see the NCAA blugolds, if not, you will be called defending champs next year. I'm buying a WIAC Woman's Basketball shirt. It is the best d3 conference.
EC coaching did not make any adjustemnts to stop the trapping at the top of the key. There was the problem. They forgot ball control and fell for the WW intimation game - WW does it sooooo well. Hope you see the NCAA blugolds, if not, you will be called defending champs next year. I'm buying a WIAC Woman's Basketball shirt. It is the best d3 conference.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2012, 10:00:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2012, 10:00:23 AM
The fouls were 20 to 14 in favor of EC who also shot more free throws.
The officials, good or bad, didn't lose this game for EC. EC lost this game for EC. 28 turnovers and 15 offensive rebounds gave the WARHAWKS 22 additional shots and a 31-5 scoring advantage. You can't turn the ball over like that and give your opponent that many more opportunities and expect anything but a loss. If we hadn't shot the ball so horrendously it could very likely have been a blow out.
All that said I hope EC does make the post season. I think they're good enough to be in the field and I'd like to see the WIAC get more than two bids.
The officials, good or bad, didn't lose this game for EC. EC lost this game for EC. 28 turnovers and 15 offensive rebounds gave the WARHAWKS 22 additional shots and a 31-5 scoring advantage. You can't turn the ball over like that and give your opponent that many more opportunities and expect anything but a loss. If we hadn't shot the ball so horrendously it could very likely have been a blow out.
All that said I hope EC does make the post season. I think they're good enough to be in the field and I'd like to see the WIAC get more than two bids.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PM
So, if we take two teams only, that has to be the Warhawks and Pointers, since they made the conference finals?...
I can see the next regional ratings (or whatever they call them on Sunday to pick the NCAA dance) having WW vault over EC this week after last night's win, which it earned, but last week's ratings were silly. But UWEC last week didn't do anything to fall out of the top 6, and, in fact, beat UWSP prior to those ratings... Go figure. I guess logic has not been my strong point... So where does that leave UWRF after its win and loss in the WIAC tournament?
I will, despite my blue-and-gold whining here, ;) grant berths to WW and UWSP. This Whitewater team is scary, and I will repeat my sentiments I've posted here throughout the season about them - they have been flying under the radar this season, as impossible/improbable that sounds... ;) I think this team could go farther than the Pointers, and could be a Final 4 team...
That being said, it's difficult to beat a team three times in a season, and the Pointers did blow the Warhawks out twice this year, but I will pick the Pointers on Saturday...
But the Blugolds and Falcons could also both make noise in the NCAA tournament, because of their styles of play... These four WIAC teams know each other so well, that coaches/players make adjustments, and they all ended up splitting season series, or winning them 2-1, after meeting one another in the conference tourney... Yes, it's the same age-old whine, but they beat themselves up and are able to take advantage of the matchups, etc....
But let's see how the other teams in the nation, who haven't seen UWRF and UWEC play, stack up against them and what kind of coaching non-WIAC teams can bring to the table for a one-and-done game... Let them game plan against the balanced Falcons and, in particular, the Blugolds bigs...
If the conference co-champs Blugolds are, indeed, on the bubble, and don't make it, that's a shame. I guess, alas, they will forever be pointing fingers at themselves for not winning in the WIAC tournament.
But I've made my whines, and cases, ;) here for all four teams... I guess we shall see how it all shakes out tomorrow and Sunday...
I can see the next regional ratings (or whatever they call them on Sunday to pick the NCAA dance) having WW vault over EC this week after last night's win, which it earned, but last week's ratings were silly. But UWEC last week didn't do anything to fall out of the top 6, and, in fact, beat UWSP prior to those ratings... Go figure. I guess logic has not been my strong point... So where does that leave UWRF after its win and loss in the WIAC tournament?
I will, despite my blue-and-gold whining here, ;) grant berths to WW and UWSP. This Whitewater team is scary, and I will repeat my sentiments I've posted here throughout the season about them - they have been flying under the radar this season, as impossible/improbable that sounds... ;) I think this team could go farther than the Pointers, and could be a Final 4 team...
That being said, it's difficult to beat a team three times in a season, and the Pointers did blow the Warhawks out twice this year, but I will pick the Pointers on Saturday...
But the Blugolds and Falcons could also both make noise in the NCAA tournament, because of their styles of play... These four WIAC teams know each other so well, that coaches/players make adjustments, and they all ended up splitting season series, or winning them 2-1, after meeting one another in the conference tourney... Yes, it's the same age-old whine, but they beat themselves up and are able to take advantage of the matchups, etc....
But let's see how the other teams in the nation, who haven't seen UWRF and UWEC play, stack up against them and what kind of coaching non-WIAC teams can bring to the table for a one-and-done game... Let them game plan against the balanced Falcons and, in particular, the Blugolds bigs...
If the conference co-champs Blugolds are, indeed, on the bubble, and don't make it, that's a shame. I guess, alas, they will forever be pointing fingers at themselves for not winning in the WIAC tournament.
But I've made my whines, and cases, ;) here for all four teams... I guess we shall see how it all shakes out tomorrow and Sunday...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 04:14:40 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PMChanneling my inner Greg Sager here...
That being said, it's difficult to beat a team three times in a season, and the Pointers did blow the Warhawks out twice this year, but I will pick the Pointers on Saturday...
This is one of the biggest falsehoods in sports. In actuality, the team that wins the first two games wins the third game far more often than not. Something in the neighborhood of 70%. The reason: the team that won the first two games, won the first two games because they are likely the better team. If they weren't they probably wouldn't have won both of the first two games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Agree EC beat itself. I agree WW under the radar - good place to be. WW are really good. so fast, swift and tenacious. Agree the style of play could help the blugolds if they can get to NCAA. Halama and Plendl for a team that has not faced that kind of match up could really get cause havoc. Also, WW and RF and SP did pretty good at taking outside EC game away. EC has some good shooters Bingea, Olson, Rempert and Christenson so a non WIAC team would need to figure that out. Here's hoping 4 teams get in. Will report on SP and WW tomorrow. Hope to see it there. I'm still going WW though SP will not be intimated by he super press and trapping. Barber will just driblle through, cross the key and throw it in. Shirley E. will have them practicing beating that trap stuff all night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 24, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Agree EC beat itself. I agree WW under the radar - good place to be. WW are really good. so fast, swift and tenacious. Agree the style of play could help the blugolds if they can get to NCAA. Halama and Plendl for a team that has not faced that kind of match up could really get cause havoc. Also, WW and RF and SP did pretty good at taking outside EC game away. EC has some good shooters Bingea, Olson, Rempert and Christenson so a non WIAC team would need to figure that out. Here's hoping 4 teams get in. Will report on SP and WW tomorrow. Hope to see it there. I'm still going WW though SP will not be intimated by he super press and trapping. Barber will just driblle through, cross the key and throw it in. Shirley E. will have them practicing beating that trap stuff all night.
Last one out of the Berg tonight, turn out the lights! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2012, 06:14:16 AM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2012, 06:14:16 AM
Amen.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 25, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Post by: billys on February 25, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 04:14:40 PMIs it really that high? I'd like to see those numbers; would be interesting.Quote from: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PMChanneling my inner Greg Sager here...
That being said, it's difficult to beat a team three times in a season, and the Pointers did blow the Warhawks out twice this year, but I will pick the Pointers on Saturday...
This is one of the biggest falsehoods in sports. In actuality, the team that wins the first two games wins the third game far more often than not. Something in the neighborhood of 70%. The reason: the team that won the first two games, won the first two games because they are likely the better team. If they weren't they probably wouldn't have won both of the first two games.
I mostly agree with you but from a coaching standpoint it is not easy to beat that team again (if the talent is close which I believe this matchup is). If you've won two you've seemingly figured out how best to beat that team ... but the other team will be likely making significant adjustments; often things you haven't seen from them previously. If you've lost twice you've likely got to try to do something different. At that point it can become a back-and-forth of adjustments.
There's also the mental aspect. Does the 0-2 team believe they can win? Are they even more fired up? Does the 2-0 team get overconfident?
I think it's an interesting premise regardless. We'll see how it plays out!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 25, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 25, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
OK, so I had a vision last night, and this is how it is all going to shake out...
Since I've been campaigning and whining for all four WIAC teams to get in, so we can see how these teams match up against teams from outside the conference, they will all get NCAA bids...
First round pairings will be:
UWSP vs. UWEC
and
UWW vs. UWRF ;)
Since I've been campaigning and whining for all four WIAC teams to get in, so we can see how these teams match up against teams from outside the conference, they will all get NCAA bids...
First round pairings will be:
UWSP vs. UWEC
and
UWW vs. UWRF ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2012, 09:49:19 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2012, 09:49:19 PM
Beleive it or not i had the same vision!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2012, 10:05:47 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2012, 10:05:47 PM
I will add to this post and get my thoughts together and edit later. There was an announcemnt right at the end of the first half at SP tonight reminding folks of spotsmansip. Could it have been directed to the WW team? What happened during the second half was not acceptable. It was wonderful that Refs clampped down on WW big time for the THUG Ball (not like the refs at EC game). At least two players made horrible mistakes. One stormed off the court and out of the arena after throwing the ball at the wall. Yes a big T.
The other blantly tried tripping an SP player who started away with a loose ball. Even Shirley slapped her hands and said, that should have been a technical. Folks you can judge for yourselves. The game will be on Fox March 14 and March 21. Shame on the WW coach who I think encourages the behavior. WIAC officials were at the game. Should be interesting to see if anything happens. WIAC does not need THUG Ball. Watch the replay on Fox. A classy SP team crunched the team from THUG-ville by almost 20 points. This is my opinion.
The other blantly tried tripping an SP player who started away with a loose ball. Even Shirley slapped her hands and said, that should have been a technical. Folks you can judge for yourselves. The game will be on Fox March 14 and March 21. Shame on the WW coach who I think encourages the behavior. WIAC officials were at the game. Should be interesting to see if anything happens. WIAC does not need THUG Ball. Watch the replay on Fox. A classy SP team crunched the team from THUG-ville by almost 20 points. This is my opinion.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
I take considerable exception to your comments JMM and I'm tempted to type out a lengthy post explaining why you're full of crap. But I'm not going to and you're certainly entitled to your opinion regardless of how absurd the conclusions you draw are. What I will say is that the behavior of the WW player ejected was inappropriate and unacceptable regardless of how frustrated she was from having been tackled by that classy Stevens Point defender on a fast break without getting a call. Coach Carollo encouraging thug behavior is ridiculous and shows how little you know about her.
Point beat us because they are more disciplined. Because of that our press doesn't impact them the way it impacts other teams, particularly Eau Claire who had 76 turnovers in the three games we played. They have size that is difficult for us to match up with. They hit several clutch shots just as the shot clock was expiring and when we double teamed the ball they always seemed to find the open player for an uncontested shot. Defensively they took away our outside game and when we got the ball inside their size make it difficult. Congrats to them. They outplayed us and showed why they were regular season and tournament co-champions and champions.
In closing I just want to say that the next time you're at WalMart do yourself a favor and buy a clue.
Point beat us because they are more disciplined. Because of that our press doesn't impact them the way it impacts other teams, particularly Eau Claire who had 76 turnovers in the three games we played. They have size that is difficult for us to match up with. They hit several clutch shots just as the shot clock was expiring and when we double teamed the ball they always seemed to find the open player for an uncontested shot. Defensively they took away our outside game and when we got the ball inside their size make it difficult. Congrats to them. They outplayed us and showed why they were regular season and tournament co-champions and champions.
In closing I just want to say that the next time you're at WalMart do yourself a favor and buy a clue.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2012, 12:16:03 PM
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2012, 12:16:03 PM
Removed my original reply to the above. I stand by what I said on the SP and WW game. In short I think WW lossed control of it's intimidation game on Saturday resulting in THUG ball. Invite all to watch the rebroadcast and judge for themselves. I beleive FOX NO and FOX Wisconsin, Mar 14 nd 21. You will need to check.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2012, 05:31:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2012, 05:31:20 PM
You'd have been better served by removing your first comment.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 26, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
Post by: buf on February 26, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
My best guess for national tourney:
UWW, UWRF and UWEC all get in.
UWW goes to a pod @ Chicago with Monmouth and Carthage. UWW would play Carthage.
UWRF goes to a pod @ St Thomas with Coe and Martin Luther. UWRF vs. Coe
UWEC goes to a pod @ UWSP with Illinois Wesleyan and Westminster. IWU has played both UWEC & UWSP so there would be a 1st round matchup between teams who played in the regular season. Point as the high seed would play Westminster
Wash U flies to George Fox pod
A possible flip of Wash U and IWU
UWW, UWRF and UWEC all get in.
UWW goes to a pod @ Chicago with Monmouth and Carthage. UWW would play Carthage.
UWRF goes to a pod @ St Thomas with Coe and Martin Luther. UWRF vs. Coe
UWEC goes to a pod @ UWSP with Illinois Wesleyan and Westminster. IWU has played both UWEC & UWSP so there would be a 1st round matchup between teams who played in the regular season. Point as the high seed would play Westminster
Wash U flies to George Fox pod
A possible flip of Wash U and IWU
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 26, 2012, 11:23:36 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 26, 2012, 11:23:36 PM
Quote from: buf on February 26, 2012, 10:35:58 PMSounds good to this WIACer!
My best guess for national tourney:
UWW, UWRF and UWEC all get in.
UWW goes to a pod @ Chicago with Monmouth and Carthage. UWW would play Carthage.
UWRF goes to a pod @ St Thomas with Coe and Martin Luther. UWRF vs. Coe
UWEC goes to a pod @ UWSP with Illinois Wesleyan and Westminster. IWU has played both UWEC & UWSP so there would be a 1st round matchup between teams who played in the regular season. Point as the high seed would play Westminster
Wash U flies to George Fox pod
A possible flip of Wash U and IWU
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
I don't have any problem with four WIAC teams making it in as long as GAC (Gustavus Adolphus) gets in. If the WIAC gets four and the IIAC gets two then the MIAC sure as hell better get two as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2012, 08:20:30 AM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2012, 08:20:30 AM
Pat has UWEC NOT getting in. Instead they are left on the table. He has Cathage getting in ahead of UWEC. He says that Carthage was ahead of UWEC in the regional rankings last week. It looks like they were both out unless he has some access to a longer list??? I just don't see how Carthage would be ahead of UWEC. They have a worse regional record, a worse SOS, worse amount of games and winning percentage against regionally ranked opponnents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on February 27, 2012, 08:44:07 AM
Post by: WilsonHoops on February 27, 2012, 08:44:07 AM
Carthage's SOS is 14, UWEC's is 32, and Gustavus's is 74. When records are nearly equal, I think that is a huge factor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2012, 09:33:10 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2012, 09:33:10 AM
I don't think UWEC is going to make it either.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
I take considerable exception to your comments JMM and I'm tempted to type out a lengthy post explaining why you're full of crap. But I'm not going to and you're certainly entitled to your opinion regardless of how absurd the conclusions you draw are. What I will say is that the behavior of the WW player ejected was inappropriate and unacceptable regardless of how frustrated she was from having been tackled by that classy Stevens Point defender on a fast break without getting a call. Coach Carollo encouraging thug behavior is ridiculous and shows how little you know about her.
Point beat us because they are more disciplined. Because of that our press doesn't impact them the way it impacts other teams, particularly Eau Claire who had 76 turnovers in the three games we played. They have size that is difficult for us to match up with. They hit several clutch shots just as the shot clock was expiring and when we double teamed the ball they always seemed to find the open player for an uncontested shot. Defensively they took away our outside game and when we got the ball inside their size make it difficult. Congrats to them. They outplayed us and showed why they were regular season and tournament co-champions and champions.
In closing I just want to say that the next time you're at WalMart do yourself a favor and buy a clue.
JMM was right. We all know Burg is an emotional player. I am naming her name because it was obviously her we are talking about as she got ejected. It is in the box score. From my angle at the game she did not get tackled. I believe the play Warhawk is reffering to is when a Point player and her were chasing down a loose ball. The Point player stopped and Burg dove for it. From my angle I didn't see a push. I could be wrong. Regardless the Point player didn't end up on the ground, so it wasn't a tackle.
Later in the game, a Point player did get tackled. It wasn't Burg though who tackled her. The replays are on TV so it will show exactly what happened.
After seeing WW live and on TV a couple years ago, they have always played with an edge. They press teams almost the entire game who cannot handle it while WW is up by 30+. I never cared for the WW's coach behavior during the game. She tirelessly defends her players, which can be a very good thing. But after seeing Burg not really grow up in terms of getting T's, (also got one in NCAA tournament a few years back that changed game) I am not sure if she is having the one on one talks that need to happen.
College athletics is not just about winning games, but also having these young ladies mature off the court and get them ready for life as an adult. I hope she sees the bigger picture. Just my two cents here.
That said, I think the WIAC has four teams that should make the NCAAs, but I only see SP, WW, and RF getting in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 02:01:34 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 27, 2012, 12:23:49 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
I take considerable exception to your comments JMM and I'm tempted to type out a lengthy post explaining why you're full of crap. But I'm not going to and you're certainly entitled to your opinion regardless of how absurd the conclusions you draw are. What I will say is that the behavior of the WW player ejected was inappropriate and unacceptable regardless of how frustrated she was from having been tackled by that classy Stevens Point defender on a fast break without getting a call. Coach Carollo encouraging thug behavior is ridiculous and shows how little you know about her.
Point beat us because they are more disciplined. Because of that our press doesn't impact them the way it impacts other teams, particularly Eau Claire who had 76 turnovers in the three games we played. They have size that is difficult for us to match up with. They hit several clutch shots just as the shot clock was expiring and when we double teamed the ball they always seemed to find the open player for an uncontested shot. Defensively they took away our outside game and when we got the ball inside their size make it difficult. Congrats to them. They outplayed us and showed why they were regular season and tournament co-champions and champions.
In closing I just want to say that the next time you're at WalMart do yourself a favor and buy a clue.
JMM was right. We all know Burg is an emotional player. I am naming her name because it was obviously her we are talking about as she got ejected. It is in the box score. From my angle at the game she did not get tackled. I believe the play Warhawk is reffering to is when a Point player and her were chasing down a loose ball. The Point player stopped and Burg dove for it. From my angle I didn't see a push. I could be wrong. Regardless the Point player didn't end up on the ground, so it wasn't a tackle.
Later in the game, a Point player did get tackled. It wasn't Burg though who tackled her. The replays are on TV so it will show exactly what happened.
After seeing WW live and on TV a couple years ago, they have always played with an edge. They press teams almost the entire game who cannot handle it while WW is up by 30+. I never cared for the WW's coach behavior during the game. She tirelessly defends her players, which can be a very good thing. But after seeing Burg not really grow up in terms of getting T's, (also got one in NCAA tournament a few years back that changed game) I am not sure if she is having the one on one talks that need to happen.
College athletics is not just about winning games, but also having these young ladies mature off the court and get them ready for life as an adult. I hope she sees the bigger picture. Just my two cents here.
That said, I think the WIAC has four teams that should make the NCAAs, but I only see SP, WW, and RF getting in.
Having only seen UW-Whitewater play only once (and that was in the NCAA Tournament when it CSB (Saint Ben's) hosted it back in '09, I can concur to the edge that WW seems to play with. One player picked up a "T" for slapping her hand against the floor hard (after she was warned the first time for doing that).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Well how about that. Glad I was wrong. 4 WIAC teams get in, although none of them will be hosting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Sweet!
Now, if you're the UWEC Blugolds, here's a motivating factor, a chip on the shoulder (even if the team shaked out higher in the actual selection process):
We're #64! ;)
Now, if you're the UWEC Blugolds, here's a motivating factor, a chip on the shoulder (even if the team shaked out higher in the actual selection process):
We're #64! ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: tomt4525 on February 27, 2012, 03:19:37 PM
Post by: tomt4525 on February 27, 2012, 03:19:37 PM
It sure seems to me that a Conference that sends 4 teams to the big dance probably deserves to have 1 of them hosting the first wkd. Point really got screwed getting sent to Calvin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: PRF2009A on February 27, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
Post by: PRF2009A on February 27, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
I saw said WW player play 6 times in person i think over the last 4 years. I always admired her style of play. In a game where the most agressive person usually wins she was definitely that. A lot of players lacked that extra drive and she always impressed me by having that edge that helped her produce when the game was on the line.
That being said, there's a fine line between being agressive and wreckless. It doesn't surprise me at all that she could cross that line.
That being said, there's a fine line between being agressive and wreckless. It doesn't surprise me at all that she could cross that line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on February 27, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on February 27, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
With how UWW plays and how tough it is for an opposing team to get a call at UWSP, doesn't surprise me that they got T'd up.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:53:20 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:53:20 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Sweet!
Now, if you're the UWEC Blugolds, here's a motivating factor, a chip on the shoulder (even if the team shaked out higher in the actual selection process):
We're #64! ;)
Well, wow. So glad the WIAC gets its requisite four teams in while the MIAC gets (expletive deleted) over again - for the third year in a row. Funny to see you guys talk about what an injustice it is that none of the WIAC teams are getting to host. :'(
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:53:20 PMQuote from: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Sweet!
Now, if you're the UWEC Blugolds, here's a motivating factor, a chip on the shoulder (even if the team shaked out higher in the actual selection process):
We're #64! ;)
Well, wow. So glad the WIAC gets its requisite four teams in while the MIAC gets (expletive deleted) over again - for the third year in a row. Funny to see you guys talk about what an injustice it is that none of the WIAC teams are getting to host. :'(
Using the selection criteria, please explain why you think Gustavus, I assume, should have gotten in over any of the 3 WIAC pool C teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 27, 2012, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: buf on February 27, 2012, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: tomt4525 on February 27, 2012, 03:19:37 PM
It sure seems to me that a Conference that sends 4 teams to the big dance probably deserves to have 1 of them hosting the first wkd. Point really got screwed getting sent to Calvin.
I agree with you. I thought that for sure Point was going to host a pod.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on February 27, 2012, 08:16:40 PM
Post by: gordonmann on February 27, 2012, 08:16:40 PM
According to my ballot, which has almost no relation to the selection and bracketing criteria, Calvin versus UW-Stevens Point is a battle of Top 5 teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:53:20 PMQuote from: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Sweet!
Now, if you're the UWEC Blugolds, here's a motivating factor, a chip on the shoulder (even if the team shaked out higher in the actual selection process):
We're #64! ;)
Well, wow. So glad the WIAC gets its requisite four teams in while the MIAC gets (expletive deleted) over again - for the third year in a row. Funny to see you guys talk about what an injustice it is that none of the WIAC teams are getting to host. :'(
I'm not going to whine about not hosting, but if we want to talk bottom line, dollars for the NCAA, find some schools that have better home attendance for women's teams than UWSP, which averaged 589 fans, and UWEC, which averaged 711... Whitewater averaged 334 and UWRF 277. The league average was 364 fans per home game...
MIAC teams averaged 201 fans per home game.... St. Thomas drew 225 per, Gustavus 277, and Concordia 374... Sure, the arguments can be made about having bigger fan bases in the WIAC locations, but, like I said, if you go bottom line, the WIAC puts more fannies in the seats...
Also, did the MIAC teams put in bids for hosting?
Did the MIAC have its whole conference rank within the top 34 for strength of schedule, like the WIAC did with its 9 teams? Were there three, four MIAC teams consistently ranked in the polls throughout the year like there were WIAC teams?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on February 28, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
Post by: billys on February 28, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
I was only able to go to two games all season and they were both early in the season. Just a question for those of you who are veterans to the league ... how do you think the teams/talent this year stacked up to the past few seasons or your recent memory? ;)
The last few years I've felt like the league has evened out a bit but the best weren't maybe as good as the best from the past decade (Stout's Duoss teams, the Oshkosh five, the UWSP Nechuta/Schultz squads). That said I felt like the second tier of teams closed the gap and made things more intriguing.
It's weird to see the traditional powers of Stout and Oshkosh (who's going on a long slump now) struggling.
Great to see four teams make it. It doesn't matter how the league compares to past years; it's obvious they've not lost anything (and arguably gained) on the rest of the country. I believe there are six Wisconsin teams overall with Carthage and Wisconsin Lutheran ... awesome!
The last few years I've felt like the league has evened out a bit but the best weren't maybe as good as the best from the past decade (Stout's Duoss teams, the Oshkosh five, the UWSP Nechuta/Schultz squads). That said I felt like the second tier of teams closed the gap and made things more intriguing.
It's weird to see the traditional powers of Stout and Oshkosh (who's going on a long slump now) struggling.
Great to see four teams make it. It doesn't matter how the league compares to past years; it's obvious they've not lost anything (and arguably gained) on the rest of the country. I believe there are six Wisconsin teams overall with Carthage and Wisconsin Lutheran ... awesome!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 11:07:51 AM
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 11:07:51 AM
QuoteI'm not going to whine about not hosting, but if we want to talk bottom line, dollars for the NCAA, find some schools that have better home attendance for women's teams than UWSP...
I don't think attendance figures is a criteria for hosting at all. Besides the marginal diference in attendance size doesn't outweigh all the costs of putting on these events (paying teams travel costs, officials, their own staff costs, etc). The NCAA Division III tournaments are not money makers for the NCAA.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 28, 2012, 02:00:47 PM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 28, 2012, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: buf on February 27, 2012, 07:19:48 PMQuote from: LA RAMS on February 27, 2012, 05:53:20 PMQuote from: bulk19 on February 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Sweet!
Now, if you're the UWEC Blugolds, here's a motivating factor, a chip on the shoulder (even if the team shaked out higher in the actual selection process):
We're #64! ;)
Well, wow. So glad the WIAC gets its requisite four teams in while the MIAC gets (expletive deleted) over again - for the third year in a row. Funny to see you guys talk about what an injustice it is that none of the WIAC teams are getting to host. :'(
Using the selection criteria, please explain why you think Gustavus, I assume, should have gotten in over any of the 3 WIAC pool C teams.
I don't think GAC could have got in OVER any of the WIAC Pool "C" teams.....But at the same time, I think they should have received a bid nonetheless. The three WIAC teams that got the Pool "C" bids were very deserving; don't get me wrong, and it shows just how incredibly strong the WIAC truly is. I think a large part of the problem is that the MIAC has failed to showcase their top teams and the problem becomes that much more glaring when this scenario repeats itself three times in a row.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on February 28, 2012, 02:34:50 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on February 28, 2012, 02:34:50 PM
LA RAMS, I think I am agreeing with you. What the MIAC needs to do is shorten their conference season so they don't have to spend many games playing teams like Carleton and St. Kates twice each when they could use those games to do, for example, like UWRF did and play Carthage and Simpson and Thomas More, teams that will help their strength of schedule.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 28, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 28, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 11:07:51 AMQuoteI'm not going to whine about not hosting, but if we want to talk bottom line, dollars for the NCAA, find some schools that have better home attendance for women's teams than UWSP...
I don't think attendance figures is a criteria for hosting at all. Besides the marginal diference in attendance size doesn't outweigh all the costs of putting on these events (paying teams travel costs, officials, their own staff costs, etc). The NCAA Division III tournaments are not money makers for the NCAA.
Attendance does figure into it, as noted by Titan Q yesterday, who posted this information on the men's board (College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin):
Official site selection considerations...
The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf
(page 7)
[/quote]
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on February 28, 2012, 07:20:24 PM
Post by: buf on February 28, 2012, 07:20:24 PM
Quote from: WilsonHoops on February 28, 2012, 02:34:50 PM
LA RAMS, I think I am agreeing with you. What the MIAC needs to do is shorten their conference season so they don't have to spend many games playing teams like Carleton and St. Kates twice each when they could use those games to do, for example, like UWRF did and play Carthage and Simpson and Thomas More, teams that will help their strength of schedule.
Exactly! The long conference season basically eliminates the MIAC's top teams from having a high strength of schedule.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: LA RAMS on February 29, 2012, 07:57:47 AM
Post by: LA RAMS on February 29, 2012, 07:57:47 AM
Quote from: buf on February 28, 2012, 07:20:24 PMQuote from: WilsonHoops on February 28, 2012, 02:34:50 PM
LA RAMS, I think I am agreeing with you. What the MIAC needs to do is shorten their conference season so they don't have to spend many games playing teams like Carleton and St. Kates twice each when they could use those games to do, for example, like UWRF did and play Carthage and Simpson and Thomas More, teams that will help their strength of schedule.
Exactly! The long conference season basically eliminates the MIAC's top teams from having a high strength of schedule.
Yep, exactly! The coaches have pretty much already agreed that changes need to be made. Now, it's a matter of getting the AD's and administrators on the same page. That could be another story entirely.... :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2012, 05:43:50 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2012, 05:43:50 PM
Both UWW and UWSP have tied games at the half. Point controlled 90% of the 1st half but Franklin ended the half on a 12-2 run.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 02, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: buf on March 02, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
WIAC goes 2-2.
Point and UWEC win close ones.
UWW & UWRF lose
Point and UWEC win close ones.
UWW & UWRF lose
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
The upset. EC over Chicago. It is about match ups. It is about EC not self destructing. Tonight they have nothing to lose. Already will be ranked in top 20 no matter what outcome is tonight. Already WIAC co champs. Already outlasted WW and RF to prove legitimate status of rank over them. Folks who follow EC know they do themselves in when they lose - bad nerves. At least 3 players get the jitters and make mistakes. A good mental win over Simpson last night (thank you Leah Rempert). Folks forget EC has a great defense (though they gave to many 3s last night). While Chicago is undefeated and really, really good. EC seniors playing their last game will win. The "bigs" are outstanding, they are tough. If Olsen, Christianson and Bingea do not get nervously wacked out - as has been the case on occasion - EC will get the win. Look for a game like the SP win. Look for Chicago to have problems with Plendl and Halama. Look for Olsen to grab some 3s. Unless the refs go "homer" - mucho first half fouls on Plendl and Hallama - EC will win. Bucky Badger says, yes. It's defense, the bigs, better nerves in the seniors last game with nothing to lose and match ups. Chicago is due for a loss and as Neil Young said, tonights the night. Hope to roll into Hyde Park area around 5:30 PM. I will be wearing the WIAC shirt.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2012, 09:18:25 AM
Post by: The Champ on March 03, 2012, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 03, 2012, 08:22:53 AMChicago is due for a loss and as Neil Young said, tonights the night.
As a Neil Young fan going all the way back to the 60's, how do you confuse Neil with Rod Stewart???
Their voices and their music are totally different.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2012, 10:07:11 AM
Post by: JMM on March 03, 2012, 10:07:11 AM
Fair question. Neil Young's 6th Album, Tonights the Night. His darkest album that cost him many fans but is now recognized as genius. (Yes, Rod S. also had a song Tonights the Night but that was more about romamce than "victory from defeat".) Neil's album was done live in a studio somewhere in one take to morn the loss of a friend from heroin overdose - his way of coping with it. Folks who thought they had another Harvest Album coming out from Neil were shocked. Critics berated Neil and said he was done. In reality, it was Neil's way of saying - it's about my music and creativity, not selling records. This became the earmark of Neil Young. While there is no real connection between Neil's Dark Album and the game tonight - tonight may be about victoy from anticipated defeat (that many just think will happen - I speculate that Pat C may know EC has a chance of winning, he would pick Chicago). Turning the often nervous play into a winner, overcomeing a real challange, (Yes, I know I'm full of BS). But for EC - Tonight's the Night. They can beat Chicago but need to overcome their dark side - jitters, jitters, jitters. (and must have fair refs).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 03, 2012, 10:47:37 PM
Post by: buf on March 03, 2012, 10:47:37 PM
Both Point and UWEC lose close ones tonight. WIAC is now done.
As far as EC game, EC got out to a quick start and led 8-0. Chicago then went on a 32-14 run the rest of the half. However, EC came out in the 2nd half and got the deficit down to 1, 5 min into the half. Chicago maintained a small lead all the way until Plendl hit a layup with just under 2min left to give EC a one point lead. Chicago got a bucket and foul (after what looked like a missed 3-second violation on the Chicago point guard) after a time out. Christenson then had a 3-point shot go in and out that would have given EC a one-point lead with 1min left. Chicago hit its FTs down the stretch and EC had a turnover and a missed front end of 1-1 in the last minute.
Plendl ends her career with a monster game, 23pts & 12 rebs and a few blocked shots. She clearly outplayed Chicago's All American (Simpson).
EC definately had their chances in this game, but their downfall all year (turnovers) came back to bite them in the end. EC had 20 TOs compared to only 9 for Chicago.
Good season for EC! At the beginning of the year, I really didn't think they had a chance to to even be close to the top of the conference. And then here they have a conference championship and an advancement to the 2nd round of the national tournament, barely falling to an undefeated team on its home court.
As far as EC game, EC got out to a quick start and led 8-0. Chicago then went on a 32-14 run the rest of the half. However, EC came out in the 2nd half and got the deficit down to 1, 5 min into the half. Chicago maintained a small lead all the way until Plendl hit a layup with just under 2min left to give EC a one point lead. Chicago got a bucket and foul (after what looked like a missed 3-second violation on the Chicago point guard) after a time out. Christenson then had a 3-point shot go in and out that would have given EC a one-point lead with 1min left. Chicago hit its FTs down the stretch and EC had a turnover and a missed front end of 1-1 in the last minute.
Plendl ends her career with a monster game, 23pts & 12 rebs and a few blocked shots. She clearly outplayed Chicago's All American (Simpson).
EC definately had their chances in this game, but their downfall all year (turnovers) came back to bite them in the end. EC had 20 TOs compared to only 9 for Chicago.
Good season for EC! At the beginning of the year, I really didn't think they had a chance to to even be close to the top of the conference. And then here they have a conference championship and an advancement to the 2nd round of the national tournament, barely falling to an undefeated team on its home court.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 04, 2012, 12:19:24 AM
Post by: buf on March 04, 2012, 12:19:24 AM
WOW! Just caught the end of the George Fox/Puget Sound game. George Fox with a 5 point lead with less than 5 sec left. Puget Sound hits a 3 with 3 seconds. PS fouls and George Fox misses both FTs. Puget Sound gets a half court shot and makes it......But it was a split second after the buzzer. The refs actually conferred with each other for about a minute and then waved it off.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
EC had a tremendous season. Should get a top 20 ranking. Shared the WIAC Conference champs with SP. Also Plendl should be some type of all american - no if, ands or buts. Salute to Callie H ffor a super year. Her play is way over the top. Thank you Tonja, Becca, Pat and Seniors. It has been a dynamo year for WIAC fans. Soooo next year? WW goes to the final 4!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BruinFan on March 04, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Post by: BruinFan on March 04, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Quote from: buf on March 04, 2012, 12:19:24 AM
WOW! Just caught the end of the George Fox/Puget Sound game. George Fox with a 5 point lead with less than 5 sec left. Puget Sound hits a 3 with 3 seconds. PS fouls and George Fox misses both FTs. Puget Sound gets a half court shot and makes it......But it was a split second after the buzzer. The refs actually conferred with each other for about a minute and then waved it off.
Glad you were able to catch the end of the game. One correction, it was Lewis and Clark (not Puget Sound). Lewis and Clark finished the year 25-4 with all 4 losses being to George Fox. Links to video of the last 3.5 seconds can be found on the NWC board.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2012, 11:58:14 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2012, 11:58:14 PM
Quote from: BruinFan on March 04, 2012, 09:52:57 PMQuote from: buf on March 04, 2012, 12:19:24 AM
WOW! Just caught the end of the George Fox/Puget Sound game. George Fox with a 5 point lead with less than 5 sec left. Puget Sound hits a 3 with 3 seconds. PS fouls and George Fox misses both FTs. Puget Sound gets a half court shot and makes it......But it was a split second after the buzzer. The refs actually conferred with each other for about a minute and then waved it off.
Glad you were able to catch the end of the game. One correction, it was Lewis and Clark (not Puget Sound). Lewis and Clark finished the year 25-4 with all 4 losses being to George Fox. Links to video of the last 3.5 seconds can be found on the NWC board.
Example #68 of why it really stinks to be on a d3 geographical 'island'. L & C should not have had to face GF for at least a couple more rounds. But the NCAA isn't going to pay for any more plane rides than absolutely necessary - it is what it is. :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2012, 02:59:33 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2012, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 28, 2012, 03:07:02 PM[/quote]Quote from: gordonmann on February 28, 2012, 11:07:51 AMQuoteI'm not going to whine about not hosting, but if we want to talk bottom line, dollars for the NCAA, find some schools that have better home attendance for women's teams than UWSP...
I don't think attendance figures is a criteria for hosting at all. Besides the marginal diference in attendance size doesn't outweigh all the costs of putting on these events (paying teams travel costs, officials, their own staff costs, etc). The NCAA Division III tournaments are not money makers for the NCAA.
Attendance does figure into it, as noted by Titan Q yesterday, who posted this information on the men's board (College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin):
Official site selection considerations...
The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria
for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather,
accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to
assure fiscal responsibility.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf
(page 7)
That's in the book, bulk, but it's the last priority and hasn't been an obvious factor in years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on March 09, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
Post by: OshDude on March 09, 2012, 03:44:19 PM
Since I didn't see it on here, the WIAC all-time team (http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2012/2/29/WBB_0229125928.aspx).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
Well Rick, we know you can sing but can you make it to the dance every year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 11, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
Post by: JMM on March 11, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
have watched several St. Thomas Games on their road to the final four. When I attended the Coe game, I didn't think ST was all that good. Watching them against Calvin last night changed that. ST defense was outstanding and they were very tenacious. Will be interesting to see what happens with ILW. If the ST team that won last night shows up, could mean a trip to final 2 nirvanna.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on March 12, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
Post by: OshDude on March 12, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 10, 2012, 12:41:35 PMI attend the occasional garden party to reminisce. Those parties are never held in Elmore City, so there's usually some dancing.
Well Rick, we know you can sing but can you make it to the dance every year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 12, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 12, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
You poor little fool
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 12, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Post by: JMM on March 12, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Admittedly an EC fan. Wonderful to see Ellen Plendil getting first team all region. She has had a fabulous year and career. We are all hoping to see her on an all american list. Her NCAA tournament performance was super outstanding.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2012, 10:32:32 PM
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2012, 10:32:32 PM
Pat Coleman if you are out there. Watched Munger against Amherst. She was pretty phenomenal on offense. Any comments how Plendl stacks up with Munger. I think Munger offense is tops but Plendl really adds a third dimension with her defense. - Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
Waaaa Waaa sitting in 3rd in the bracket pool with George Fox and Munge rgets hurt Waaaa Waaaa Waaa.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
Ellen Plendl, EC all american. Sweet!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 19, 2012, 09:14:21 PM
Post by: JMM on March 19, 2012, 09:14:21 PM
Salute to EC finish the year ranked 18, WIAC CO-Champs. Plendl 3rd team All American. It was a very good year. Thank you Callie, Ellen, Laura and Nicole. Wonderful, Wonderful, Wonderful.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2012, 10:07:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2012, 10:07:02 AM
Additionally Stevens Point finishes #12, WHITEWATER #25 and River Falls just outside at #28. It was a pretty decent year for the league.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 02:08:28 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 20, 2012, 02:08:28 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 16, 2012, 10:32:32 PM
Pat Coleman if you are out there. Watched Munger against Amherst. She was pretty phenomenal on offense. Any comments how Plendl stacks up with Munger. I think Munger offense is tops but Plendl really adds a third dimension with her defense. - Any thoughts?
I think Munger's defense is as impressive as Plendl's. You saw how Amherst didn't even try to challenge her. She affected the game just by her presence in the middle.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 20, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 20, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 19, 2012, 09:14:21 PMI agree...
Salute to EC finish the year ranked 18, WIAC CO-Champs. Plendl 3rd team All American. It was a very good year. Thank you Callie, Ellen, Laura and Nicole. Wonderful, Wonderful, Wonderful.
And senior Jess Freagon, too, ;) as well as all the other seniors involved this season with the Blugold hoops team - statisticians, reporters, trainers, poms/cheerleaders, band, et. al, and anyone I may have unintentionally missed involved behind the scenes at Zorn...
Thanks to all for their contributions over the last four years!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 21, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
Post by: JMM on March 21, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
OMG - So sorry Jess! A wonderful 4 years with lots and lots of rebounds and superb hustle. Best of luck in softball as well!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: OshDude on March 30, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
Post by: OshDude on March 30, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
Terri Schumacher stepped down (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/) as the head coach at UW Oshkosh today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on March 30, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on March 30, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Ricky Nelson on March 30, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
Terri Schumacher stepped down (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/WBasketball/) as the head coach at UW Oshkosh today.
They should bring back Kathi ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on March 30, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
Post by: cubs on March 30, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
How about former Titan and reigning Wisconsin HS Coach of the Year Kelly McNiff?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 31, 2012, 09:45:07 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 31, 2012, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: cubs on March 30, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
How about former Titan and reigning Wisconsin HS Coach of the Year Kelly McNiff?
Interesting idea! I also thought of alum Kelly (Warnke) Robinson, the current head coach at Pacific Lutheran. I can imagine bringing back someone from the "glory days" would seem attractive to UWO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 31, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
Post by: JMM on March 31, 2012, 09:49:38 PM
How about Bobbi Knight - heard he is available. Maybe Tonj Englund can go to Oshkosh and Shirley E can go to Eau Claire - just kidding
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: billys on April 02, 2012, 12:59:13 PM
Post by: billys on April 02, 2012, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 30, 2012, 11:27:57 PMWasn't Schumacher a former Titan and reigning State Champion?
How about former Titan and reigning Wisconsin HS Coach of the Year Kelly McNiff?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 02, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 02, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
Schumacher played her first two years in LaCrosse and then transfered and finished up at Oshkosh where she was an All American and the National Player of the Year her senior season. She won two WIAA state championships as the coach at Oshkosh North.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on April 02, 2012, 01:35:35 PM
Post by: Just Bill on April 02, 2012, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 02, 2012, 01:21:01 PM
Schumacher played her first two years in LaCrosse and then transfered and finished up at Oshkosh where she was an All American and the National Player of the Year her senior season. She won two WIAA state championships as the coach at OshkoshNorthWest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on April 05, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
Post by: Blue Devil Backer on April 05, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
Stout has next years games up already on their web site
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: UWRF on April 17, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
Post by: UWRF on April 17, 2012, 06:57:06 PM
As much as it pains me to say, my sister has chosen to continue her basketball career at UW-La Crosse. Full disclosure: I pushed for UWRF as hard as I could, but its her decision. I doubt any of you have heard of her, but I thought I would mention it.
Gretchen Linzmeier, 5-9 PG Pine City (MN)
She got a couple all-state honorable mention honors and is Pine City's all-time leading scorer (boys & girls). 4-year starter, 4-time All-Conference (Never won Great River POTY thanks to this one girl from Braham lol)
Gretchen Linzmeier, 5-9 PG Pine City (MN)
She got a couple all-state honorable mention honors and is Pine City's all-time leading scorer (boys & girls). 4-year starter, 4-time All-Conference (Never won Great River POTY thanks to this one girl from Braham lol)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 16, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
Post by: JMM on October 16, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
It's that time again. Here is what I see:
1. WW
2. SP
3. RF
4. LAX
5. PLT
6. SUP
7. EC
8. OSH
1. WW
2. SP
3. RF
4. LAX
5. PLT
6. SUP
7. EC
8. OSH
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2012, 11:55:50 AM
Post by: Just Bill on October 16, 2012, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: JMM on October 16, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
It's that time again. Here is what I see:
1. WW
2. SP
3. RF
4. LAX
5. PLT
6. SUP
7. EC
8. OSH
It's so sad they threw Stout out of the league. Wait, what?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 17, 2012, 05:21:20 PM
Post by: JMM on October 17, 2012, 05:21:20 PM
Oh i thought Stout moved to the MIAC!
Let's put them in front of EC and move everyone and EC down 1. So:
1. WW
2. SP
3. RF
4. LAX
5. PLT
6. SUP
7. Stout
8. EC
9. OSH
Let's put them in front of EC and move everyone and EC down 1. So:
1. WW
2. SP
3. RF
4. LAX
5. PLT
6. SUP
7. Stout
8. EC
9. OSH
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2012, 05:29:30 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2012, 05:29:30 PM
The D3hoops.com women's basketball preseason Top 25 is out:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/10/womens-preseason-top-25
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/10/womens-preseason-top-25
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 24, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Post by: JMM on October 24, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
Thanks for heads up on the preseason poll Pat C. I smiled when I saw EC with a few vote. To me, they are rebuilding there for the next 2 years. I think White Water will be pretty darn good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 28, 2012, 12:25:37 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 28, 2012, 12:25:37 PM
Here's my predictions:
1. SP
2. WW
3. RF
4. PLT
5. SUP
6. EC
7. LAX
8. Stout
9. OSH
I think EC and LAX are losing so much that I can't predict them to finish much higher. They are losing the two most impactful centers in Plendl at EC and Robinson at LAX and EC is losing many others including Halama. I guess Plattevile is getting in transfer Katelyn Kuehl the NAC freshman of the year from Wisc Lutheran. While I know SP is losing Averkamp and Bandow I just can't bet against them. Everyone thinks WW is so good and young but they are losing 3 players who have started and 27% of their points in Bestor, Swanson, and Burg.
1. SP
2. WW
3. RF
4. PLT
5. SUP
6. EC
7. LAX
8. Stout
9. OSH
I think EC and LAX are losing so much that I can't predict them to finish much higher. They are losing the two most impactful centers in Plendl at EC and Robinson at LAX and EC is losing many others including Halama. I guess Plattevile is getting in transfer Katelyn Kuehl the NAC freshman of the year from Wisc Lutheran. While I know SP is losing Averkamp and Bandow I just can't bet against them. Everyone thinks WW is so good and young but they are losing 3 players who have started and 27% of their points in Bestor, Swanson, and Burg.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on October 28, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
Post by: Just Bill on October 28, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
According to the NAC boards, Kuehl transferred to Oshkosh, not Platteville.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1525.msg1450565#msg1450565
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1525.msg1450565#msg1450565
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on October 28, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on October 28, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 28, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
According to the NAC boards, Kuehl transferred to Oshkosh, not Platteville.
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1525.msg1450565#msg1450565
This is true. She'll likely join Wenig and Kitzke in the backcourt. Frontcourt will be the big question mark for the Titans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 28, 2012, 03:30:57 PM
Post by: WilsonHoops on October 28, 2012, 03:30:57 PM
My mistake on the Kuehl transfer to Oshkosh, then I'll change my rankings to:
1. SP
2. WW
3. RF
4. SUP
5. EC
6. LAX
7. OSH
8. PLT
9. Stout
I think Superior is getting better all the time.
1. SP
2. WW
3. RF
4. SUP
5. EC
6. LAX
7. OSH
8. PLT
9. Stout
I think Superior is getting better all the time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2012, 10:09:36 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 31, 2012, 10:09:36 AM
The WARHAWKS will scrimmage the University of Chicago Friday night 6pm.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
Congratulations to UW-Stevens Point, who won the bid to host the 2014 NCAA Division III Women's Basketball Final Four.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-11-01/dozens-championship-sites-selected-2013-14-2014-15-academic-years
In the past these have been done on two-year cycles, so I don't know if that means they are hosting in 2014 and 2015. Perhaps the NCAA is no longer doing two years in a row anymore or maybe it's just not announced yet.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-11-01/dozens-championship-sites-selected-2013-14-2014-15-academic-years
In the past these have been done on two-year cycles, so I don't know if that means they are hosting in 2014 and 2015. Perhaps the NCAA is no longer doing two years in a row anymore or maybe it's just not announced yet.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2012, 11:53:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2012, 11:53:36 PM
The WARHAWKS drilled Chicago. Had the score been kept in the normal fashion the final would have been 90-52. The team travels to Evanston tomorrow to scrimmage Northwestern (the Big Ten brand). I don't expect we will fare as well but it should be a good experience.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 05, 2012, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 05, 2012, 10:24:00 AM
Sam Barber, UWSP, is named a first team preseason All-American by the very people who bring you this message board. Congrats!
http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2013
http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2013
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2012, 11:45:05 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2012, 11:45:05 AM
The WARHAWK women opened the season with a road victory over Carroll University by a 70-60 score. The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 9-0 run. Carroll closed the gap to a pair 11-9 but the WARHAWKS maintained the lead which eventually grew to 8 points 23-15 midway through the half. A 15-6 run by the Pioneers gave them their first lead of the half 30-29 at the 4 minute mark and with the exception of one tie Carroll maintained the lead to the half which ended 40-36. Carroll held the lead and expanded it to a high of 10 points, 58-48, for the first eleven minutes of the second half. At that point the WARHAWKS made a 14-0 run and finished the last nine minutes of the game with a 22-2 spurt to gain the victory.
Kaitlyn Thill led all scorers with 20 points including 4 of 5 three-pointers. Thill also had game highs of 4 assists and 7 steals. Courtney Kumerow added 18 points. Newcomer Lisa Palmer led the WARHAWKS rebounding with 8.
Emily DeNoyer led the Pioneers with 16 points. Breann Maryanski added 14 and a game high 11 rebounds. The Pioneers were held to 22% (6 of 27) from the floor in the second half.
The WARHAWKS travel to Monmouth, Ill this weekend where they will play Wartburg on Friday night and either Iowa Wesleyan or Monmouth Saturday.
Kaitlyn Thill led all scorers with 20 points including 4 of 5 three-pointers. Thill also had game highs of 4 assists and 7 steals. Courtney Kumerow added 18 points. Newcomer Lisa Palmer led the WARHAWKS rebounding with 8.
Emily DeNoyer led the Pioneers with 16 points. Breann Maryanski added 14 and a game high 11 rebounds. The Pioneers were held to 22% (6 of 27) from the floor in the second half.
The WARHAWKS travel to Monmouth, Ill this weekend where they will play Wartburg on Friday night and either Iowa Wesleyan or Monmouth Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2012, 01:11:12 AM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2012, 01:11:12 AM
UW-Stout got drilled 88-48 against #4 Depauw at the Dunn's Sporting Goods Tip-Off Tournament at Wisconsin Lutheran College. Depauw had at one point a 60 point lead on the Blue Devils in the second half. It was UW-Stout's worst loss in a few decades. UW-Stout plays Hamline (MN) in the Consolation Game Saturday at 1 PM.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
Englund referred to the 2012-2013 year as a "reload" not a "rebuild". After a first look against a weak Northland team, maybe there is something to Tonja's optimism. EC had a very impressive win. This team is fast and intelligent. It also has many good shooters. The future is a move away from the dominant "BIG" game of the past 3 years with the likes of Plendil and Messick and Hallama. Height sometimes bring slowness which is something that EC maybe suffered from the past 3 years. Not, the case this year. (There is great potential underneath. There is talent and good height underneath.) Lots of good players on this team. Big question is "how fast" the underneath game develops. Tonight's game with Simpson will give a further indication of EC. Simpson had no problem with LAX last night. A win by EC tonight will indicate the "reload" scenario. A sloppy loss means rebuilding. (I'm thinking an 11 point EC victory for tonight.) EC is an intelligent team with many smart excellent basketball players. There is much to be optimistic about in the land of "clear water" for the next 2-3 years. The talent is there for a continued run at the WIAC championship and national presence. It is a question of how much time it takes for things to gel and young player confidence. Could EC go toe to toe with WW right now, no. But they maybe be able to by February. Courtney Lewis and Leah Rempert showed some excellent maturity last night. Hopefully Bingea on her return will do likewise.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: frodotwo on November 17, 2012, 06:56:34 PM
Post by: frodotwo on November 17, 2012, 06:56:34 PM
Stevens Point destroys the #1 team in Women's BB, Calvin 84-63. Sam Barber with 26 led the way. Another week or so to a new #1 in the polls, could it be Point?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: NACfan215 on November 17, 2012, 08:51:16 PM
Post by: NACfan215 on November 17, 2012, 08:51:16 PM
UW River Falls plays a solid and efficient game against Lakeland in the consolation game at St. Norberts. A 71-48 win, RF has young guards but has alot of talent on the frontline and used it to their advantage against an overmatched LC squad.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
EC falls hard to Simpson. Second half no as bad as the first. Way t go Point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2012, 01:28:40 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2012, 01:28:40 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2012, 01:11:12 AM
UW-Stout got drilled 88-48 against #4 Depauw at the Dunn's Sporting Goods Tip-Off Tournament at Wisconsin Lutheran College. Depauw had at one point a 60 point lead on the Blue Devils in the second half. It was UW-Stout's worst loss in a few decades. UW-Stout plays Hamline (MN) in the Consolation Game Saturday at 1 PM.
Your memory is kind of short. They lost by 59 in a game last season. They also lost a few games in the 30-40 point range last year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 18, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 18, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
WHITEWATER - 65
Wartburg - 55
The WARHAWKS started the game with a 12-2 run and built two leads to highs of 15 points before the half ended with a fourteen point lead, 36-22. The WARHAWKS shot just 33% but hit 12 of 16 free throws to just 3 of 6 for Wartburg. Katie Burton led the team with 11 points. After the WARHAWKS scored the first basket of the second half Wartburg rallied hitting five three-pointers to key a 25-5 run taking the lead 47-43. The WARHAWKS regained the lead with a 7-0 run but Wartburg answered with a 9-2 run of their own and tied the score 52 all with just under three minutes remaining. Following the tie the WARHAWKS put the game away with an 11-0 run to close out the game.
Burton led the WARHAWKS scoring with 15 points. Kaitlyn Thill added 14 and Mary Merg an even dozen. Merg also had a team high 5 assists and Courtney Kumerow a team high 8 rebounds. Free throws and turnovers keyed the win. Wartburg's 24 turnovers, to just 10 for the WARHAWKS included 15 steals. Thill led the way with 10, tied for the third highest in program history. Thill now has 17 steals in the two games played. The WARHAWKS hit 20 of 29 free throws while Wartburg was 10 of 18.
The WARHAWKS will play Monmouth, who defeated Iowa Wesleyan 75-48, today.
Wartburg - 55
The WARHAWKS started the game with a 12-2 run and built two leads to highs of 15 points before the half ended with a fourteen point lead, 36-22. The WARHAWKS shot just 33% but hit 12 of 16 free throws to just 3 of 6 for Wartburg. Katie Burton led the team with 11 points. After the WARHAWKS scored the first basket of the second half Wartburg rallied hitting five three-pointers to key a 25-5 run taking the lead 47-43. The WARHAWKS regained the lead with a 7-0 run but Wartburg answered with a 9-2 run of their own and tied the score 52 all with just under three minutes remaining. Following the tie the WARHAWKS put the game away with an 11-0 run to close out the game.
Burton led the WARHAWKS scoring with 15 points. Kaitlyn Thill added 14 and Mary Merg an even dozen. Merg also had a team high 5 assists and Courtney Kumerow a team high 8 rebounds. Free throws and turnovers keyed the win. Wartburg's 24 turnovers, to just 10 for the WARHAWKS included 15 steals. Thill led the way with 10, tied for the third highest in program history. Thill now has 17 steals in the two games played. The WARHAWKS hit 20 of 29 free throws while Wartburg was 10 of 18.
The WARHAWKS will play Monmouth, who defeated Iowa Wesleyan 75-48, today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2012, 10:23:37 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2012, 10:23:37 AM
Monmouth - 90
WHITEWATER - 89 OT
After overcoming double figure deficits to pull out wins in their first two games the WARHAWKS came up a point short in the championship game of the weekend tournament in Monmouth. The WARHAWKS jumped out to an early seven point lead but Monmouth rallied and took a lead with eleven minutes remaining which with the exception of one tie they would hold the rest of the half building it to a high of seven points, 34-27, when the half ended. The WARHAWKS were able to tie the game 37-37 in the first three minutes of the second half but Monmouth recaptured it and took it to a high of twelve points before the WARHAWKS whittled it away and tied the game a second time 64-64 on a Courtney Kumerow free throw with four minutes to play. The WARHAWKS took their first lead of the half on their next possession but Monmouth forged four ties down the stretch. Tied 74-74 with 28 seconds the WARHAWKS played for one last shot however two three point attempts were unsuccessful and the game went to overtime. Monmouth scored first in OT and with the exception of a single tie led by as many a five points. Trailing by three the WARHAWKS had a chance to send the game into a second overtime when Kaitlyn Thill was fouled on a three-point attempt with eight seconds to play. Thill made the first two but missed the third. Monmouth rebounded but turned the ball over on a steal by Megan Theune. However the WARHAWKS returned the favor with a turnover of their own and the game ended.
Thill led all scorers with 23 points. Courtney Kumerow added 21, Abbie Reeves 18 and Mary Merg an even dozen. Kumerow and Katie Burton had a team high 8 rebounds apiece and Burton's 4 assists were a team high.
Paige Nord led the Scots with 20 points and a game high 6 assists. Zipporah Williams had a game high 15 rebounds to go with her 19 points.
Turnovers were a significant factor as the Scots scored 32 points off of 22 WARHAWK turnovers while the WARHAWKS only managed 21 off of 21 Monmouth turnovers. It was particularly a problem in the first half when Monmouth outscored the WARHAWKS 20 to 4.
The WARHAWKS will open the home portion of their schedule Saturday when they host Edgewood College.
WHITEWATER - 89 OT
After overcoming double figure deficits to pull out wins in their first two games the WARHAWKS came up a point short in the championship game of the weekend tournament in Monmouth. The WARHAWKS jumped out to an early seven point lead but Monmouth rallied and took a lead with eleven minutes remaining which with the exception of one tie they would hold the rest of the half building it to a high of seven points, 34-27, when the half ended. The WARHAWKS were able to tie the game 37-37 in the first three minutes of the second half but Monmouth recaptured it and took it to a high of twelve points before the WARHAWKS whittled it away and tied the game a second time 64-64 on a Courtney Kumerow free throw with four minutes to play. The WARHAWKS took their first lead of the half on their next possession but Monmouth forged four ties down the stretch. Tied 74-74 with 28 seconds the WARHAWKS played for one last shot however two three point attempts were unsuccessful and the game went to overtime. Monmouth scored first in OT and with the exception of a single tie led by as many a five points. Trailing by three the WARHAWKS had a chance to send the game into a second overtime when Kaitlyn Thill was fouled on a three-point attempt with eight seconds to play. Thill made the first two but missed the third. Monmouth rebounded but turned the ball over on a steal by Megan Theune. However the WARHAWKS returned the favor with a turnover of their own and the game ended.
Thill led all scorers with 23 points. Courtney Kumerow added 21, Abbie Reeves 18 and Mary Merg an even dozen. Kumerow and Katie Burton had a team high 8 rebounds apiece and Burton's 4 assists were a team high.
Paige Nord led the Scots with 20 points and a game high 6 assists. Zipporah Williams had a game high 15 rebounds to go with her 19 points.
Turnovers were a significant factor as the Scots scored 32 points off of 22 WARHAWK turnovers while the WARHAWKS only managed 21 off of 21 Monmouth turnovers. It was particularly a problem in the first half when Monmouth outscored the WARHAWKS 20 to 4.
The WARHAWKS will open the home portion of their schedule Saturday when they host Edgewood College.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
UW-Superior had a winning weekend--nice to see. One or two-point difference at half and then break away in the second half. Sally Linzmeier makes the team, but I think this year she has more help. Maybe a little depth. I have better feeling about this year than in any of the last twelve.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 21, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
Last night:
St Cloud State 74 Stout 56 .... Whitney Rawdon 12 pts
Stevens Point 68 ....Sam Barber 14 pts Marian 19
Platteville 76 .... Melissa Carmody 18 pts Luther (Ia) 61
St Norbert 57 Eau Claire .... Courtney Lewis 17 pts
River Falls 68 .... Brittney Gregorich 18 pts Martin Luther 34
Oshkosh 54 .... Heather Conroy 12 pts Ripon 40
Minnesota Duluth 77 Superior 65 .... Deandra Vavra 18 pts, Sally Linzmeier 18 pts
St Cloud State 74 Stout 56 .... Whitney Rawdon 12 pts
Stevens Point 68 ....Sam Barber 14 pts Marian 19
Platteville 76 .... Melissa Carmody 18 pts Luther (Ia) 61
St Norbert 57 Eau Claire .... Courtney Lewis 17 pts
River Falls 68 .... Brittney Gregorich 18 pts Martin Luther 34
Oshkosh 54 .... Heather Conroy 12 pts Ripon 40
Minnesota Duluth 77 Superior 65 .... Deandra Vavra 18 pts, Sally Linzmeier 18 pts
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2012, 12:10:25 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2012, 12:10:25 AM
The WARHAWKS had little trouble with Edgewood defeating the Eagles 83-39 tonight. With the exception of a pair of early ties the WARHAWKS led the entire game. Forcing 40 turnovers for the first time in two decades the WARHAWKS had a 39-15 advantage in points off of turnovers. The taller WARHAWKS also had a big advantage in the paint outscoring Edgewood 40-18. Mary Merg finished with a game high 21 points while Courtney Kumerow added 12. Sixteen WARHAWKS players or the twentythree who played scored. Kumerow led the team with 5 rebounds while Thill had game highs of 7 assists and 7 steals.
Melanie Walker led Edgewood with 16 points.
Elsewhere in the league:
Luther 59 LaCrosse 56 .... LaCrosse shot 27% from the floor and were out rebounded 53-36; Briana Bradowicz 22 points
St Scholastica 79 Stout 90 .... St Scholastica leads 36-38 at the half; Sami Schoeder 24 points
Oshkosh 47 Judson 46 .... Titans shot a miserable 28% from the field but outscored Judson 16-5 from the free throw line; Heather Conroy, Sarah Stecker and Megan Wenig 10 points apiece.
Platteville 51 Wartburg 66 .... Platteville led 24-23 at the half but Wartburg out scored them 43-27 in the second half; Elizabeth Lawinger 9 points.
Eau Claire 68 Cornell (Ia) 75 .... Eau Claire's last lead is with about 5 minutes to play, Cornell hits 4-4 free throws and a pair of layups down the stretch; Courtney Lewis 20 points.
Melanie Walker led Edgewood with 16 points.
Elsewhere in the league:
Luther 59 LaCrosse 56 .... LaCrosse shot 27% from the floor and were out rebounded 53-36; Briana Bradowicz 22 points
St Scholastica 79 Stout 90 .... St Scholastica leads 36-38 at the half; Sami Schoeder 24 points
Oshkosh 47 Judson 46 .... Titans shot a miserable 28% from the field but outscored Judson 16-5 from the free throw line; Heather Conroy, Sarah Stecker and Megan Wenig 10 points apiece.
Platteville 51 Wartburg 66 .... Platteville led 24-23 at the half but Wartburg out scored them 43-27 in the second half; Elizabeth Lawinger 9 points.
Eau Claire 68 Cornell (Ia) 75 .... Eau Claire's last lead is with about 5 minutes to play, Cornell hits 4-4 free throws and a pair of layups down the stretch; Courtney Lewis 20 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2012, 06:28:15 PM
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2012, 06:28:15 PM
Saw the SP and ST Thomas game. Not that SP did themselves favors but at the risk of not being politically correct, they were "hosed".
Some pretty remarkable charge fouls on Sam B. Funny the shots went in and they were jump shots. Not fun being rated number 1 in
the early part of the season even if it is just for a week.
Some pretty remarkable charge fouls on Sam B. Funny the shots went in and they were jump shots. Not fun being rated number 1 in
the early part of the season even if it is just for a week.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: nkwest on November 26, 2012, 06:25:40 AM
Post by: nkwest on November 26, 2012, 06:25:40 AM
Quote from: JMM on November 25, 2012, 06:28:15 PM
Saw the SP and ST Thomas game. Not that SP did themselves favors but at the risk of not being politically correct, they were "hosed".
Some pretty remarkable charge fouls on Sam B. Funny the shots went in and they were jump shots. Not fun being rated number 1 in
the early part of the season even if it is just for a week.
Barber was only whistled for one offensive foul, and it was a pretty legit call. UST's pressure defense had more to do with their ability to come back from down 13 early in the second half than anything else.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
Trailing the Loras reserves by eight at the half the WARHAWKS reserves rallied in the second stanza for a 66-56 win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on November 26, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on November 26, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
UWO took care of Lakeland College 54-44. UWO lead by 20 at half and held a 30-14 rebounding edge at that point. Kind of coasted in the 2nd half but UWO has yet to allow more than 50 points in a game yet. Albeit not against the strongest competition.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 28, 2012, 09:55:07 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 28, 2012, 09:55:07 AM
WARHAWKS : 69
Illinois Wesleyan : 72
With the game tied 9-9 the WARHAWKS made a 9-0 run to take a lead they would hold for the remainder of the first half. The lead grew to a high of eleven points with a little over a minute and half to play but Wesleyan closed the gap with with a 7-0 run before the half ended with the WARHAWKS up by five, 35-30. The lead reached double digits again 40-30 early in the second half but Wesleyan came back and tied the game 47-47 with eleven minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS recaptured the lead with an 8-0 run and held on until the Wesleyan gained their first lead of the second half 62-61 on a pair of free throws with a minute and half remaining. A three-point basket put Wesleyan ahead 67-63 shortly thereafter. The WARHAWKS would get within a pair 67-65 on a layup by Courtney Kumerow but Wesleyan went 4 for 4 from the free throw line to seal the deal. Free throws were the deciding factor in the game as Wesleyan went 22-27 to the WARHAWKS 7-10.
Kaitlyn Thill led three WARHAWKS in double figures with a game high 21 points. Kumerow added 14 points and Katie Burton 12. Thill also had game highs of 8 assists and 4 steals. Burton had a game high 8 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS open conference play Saturday when they travel to Stout.
Illinois Wesleyan : 72
With the game tied 9-9 the WARHAWKS made a 9-0 run to take a lead they would hold for the remainder of the first half. The lead grew to a high of eleven points with a little over a minute and half to play but Wesleyan closed the gap with with a 7-0 run before the half ended with the WARHAWKS up by five, 35-30. The lead reached double digits again 40-30 early in the second half but Wesleyan came back and tied the game 47-47 with eleven minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS recaptured the lead with an 8-0 run and held on until the Wesleyan gained their first lead of the second half 62-61 on a pair of free throws with a minute and half remaining. A three-point basket put Wesleyan ahead 67-63 shortly thereafter. The WARHAWKS would get within a pair 67-65 on a layup by Courtney Kumerow but Wesleyan went 4 for 4 from the free throw line to seal the deal. Free throws were the deciding factor in the game as Wesleyan went 22-27 to the WARHAWKS 7-10.
Kaitlyn Thill led three WARHAWKS in double figures with a game high 21 points. Kumerow added 14 points and Katie Burton 12. Thill also had game highs of 8 assists and 4 steals. Burton had a game high 8 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS open conference play Saturday when they travel to Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2012, 07:59:13 AM
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2012, 07:59:13 AM
Saw RF play St Benedict. Really like the looks of the RF team. Having seen LAX, Stout, SP and EC, I think RF will be a contender. Look for LAX to beat EC tonight. EC will improve with time. EC has a ton of young talent. Not yet ready to beat ""an "OK" LAX team. EC would be better served if the coach played her two seniors who are riding the bench. They are quality players with great experience. EC might be 4-1 if these folks had played more, my 2 cents. Finally, surprised at the 2 WW losses. SP remains the heavy favorite. Maybe RF is #2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
Post by: JMM on December 01, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
The two seniors mentioned above came off the bench after an extremely bad EC start against LAX. The two seniors combined for 19 points and EC went on to win. Maybe one of the EC coaches reads these boards. EC was down 0-12 at the start of the game. The world changed when the proven senior talent was put in. Hooray for Superior! Maybe they will get rank. Big question, does SP fall out of the top 25?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 02, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 02, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
Stout jumped on top early and with the exception of a single lead change and a tie led for the first fifteen minutes of play. Sam Quandt's jumper tied the game 26-26 and the WARHAWKS took the lead on Abbie Reeves' basket. The lead reached a high of seven 38-31 when the half ended. The lead reached double digits early in the second half and after that it got a high of twenty six points twice before the game ended with the WARHAWKS won 72-53. The WARHAWKS had a 28-12 advantage in points off of turnovers, a 16-5 advantage on second chance points (15 offensive rebounds), outscored Stout 21-12 off the bench and out rebounded the Blue Devils 43-28.
Courtney Kumerow had a game high 18 points and 10 rebounds. Katie Burton finished with 14 points while Lisa Palmer and Quandt added 10 points each. Kaitlyn Thill and Mary Merg each had 4 assists.
Whitney Rowdon led Stout with 16 points.
The WARHAWKS will host LaCrosse Wednesday night.
Courtney Kumerow had a game high 18 points and 10 rebounds. Katie Burton finished with 14 points while Lisa Palmer and Quandt added 10 points each. Kaitlyn Thill and Mary Merg each had 4 assists.
Whitney Rowdon led Stout with 16 points.
The WARHAWKS will host LaCrosse Wednesday night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2012, 10:45:15 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2012, 10:45:15 AM
WARHAWKS: 77
LaCrosse: 55
The WARHAWKS scored first and never trailed in the game. Their lead remained in single digits for the first six minutes of the game until a jumper from Courtney Kumerow pushed it to double digits, 18-7. After that LaCrosse got to within single digits once, 29-20, with six minutes to play in the half. Sam Quandt's jumper extended the lead back into double digits and it grew to a high of nineteen points before the half ended with the WARHAWKS up eighteen, 41-23. Mary Merg's 11 points led all scorers while defensively Lisa Palmer had four rebounds and three steals to pace the WARHAWKS who forced 14 turnovers while committing just 6 and outshot the Eagles 47% to 37% in the half. LaCrosse got to within fourteen points early in the second half but for the last seven minutes of the game the WARHAWKS lead was never less than 22 points.
Merg's 15 points were a game high and led five WARHAWKS who scored in double figures. Palmer finished with 13, Kumerow with 12, Kaitlyn Thill with 11 and Katie Burton with 10. Palmer's 7 rebounds tied for a game high. Palmer's 3 assists led the WARHAWKS and her 3 steals were a game high.
The WARHAWKS will host EauClaire on Saturday.
Elsewhere in the league:
Eau Claire 62 Platteville 57
Stevens Point 64 Oshkosh 55
Stout 79 Superior 68
River Falls 58 Viterbo 51
LaCrosse: 55
The WARHAWKS scored first and never trailed in the game. Their lead remained in single digits for the first six minutes of the game until a jumper from Courtney Kumerow pushed it to double digits, 18-7. After that LaCrosse got to within single digits once, 29-20, with six minutes to play in the half. Sam Quandt's jumper extended the lead back into double digits and it grew to a high of nineteen points before the half ended with the WARHAWKS up eighteen, 41-23. Mary Merg's 11 points led all scorers while defensively Lisa Palmer had four rebounds and three steals to pace the WARHAWKS who forced 14 turnovers while committing just 6 and outshot the Eagles 47% to 37% in the half. LaCrosse got to within fourteen points early in the second half but for the last seven minutes of the game the WARHAWKS lead was never less than 22 points.
Merg's 15 points were a game high and led five WARHAWKS who scored in double figures. Palmer finished with 13, Kumerow with 12, Kaitlyn Thill with 11 and Katie Burton with 10. Palmer's 7 rebounds tied for a game high. Palmer's 3 assists led the WARHAWKS and her 3 steals were a game high.
The WARHAWKS will host EauClaire on Saturday.
Elsewhere in the league:
Eau Claire 62 Platteville 57
Stevens Point 64 Oshkosh 55
Stout 79 Superior 68
River Falls 58 Viterbo 51
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
I look for WW to win over EC this weekend. My guess is by 12-15 points. This is a faster EC team with very good shooters and a very deep bench. EC shows promise but still is a very young team. They are strong defensively under the basket and will pick up 4-5 more steals a game then in the past 4 years. If he bus ride doesn't get to EC and if their shooting is more on the mark then the past 2 games, they could give the Warhawks a surprise. Will be interesting to see the outcome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 07, 2012, 12:39:53 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 07, 2012, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on November 19, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
UW-Superior had a winning weekend--nice to see. One or two-point difference at half and then break away in the second half. Sally Linzmeier makes the team, but I think this year she has more help. Maybe a little depth. I have better feeling about this year than in any of the last twelve.
Question for you, PR: What happened to Mariah Marcol? I just finished reading Chester Marcol's book, ALIVE AND KICKING, a very good read, and it mentioned that his daughter was coming to Superior. I remember hearing last year or the year before that she was there and the book was released in 2011 so am wondering how long she was there and how it went for her.
By the way, your team was very impressive in their loss here at Stout. They got a very slow start trailing by 19, came all the way back, and then Stout made all their free throws down the stretch and won. Both teams played well. Fun game to broadcast. What is your daughter doing these days?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 08, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Post by: JMM on December 08, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
WW looked good and played well in the win over EC. Hard to beat pressure/smart/heads up defense. The 3 point shots in tthe second half are what really zaps an opposing team and momentum. Young EC team did not help themselves. Beyond the WW defense, EC kept shooting itself in the foot being sloppy. All said, EC is getting better. Look for an EC win at Zorn. Look for WW to take the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 09, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 09, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
WARHAWKS: 80
Eau Claire: 72
Eau Claire scored the first points of the game but the WARHAWKS tied the game on a basket from Courtney Kumerow and went ahead on a layup by Lisa Palmer. The WARHAWKS held the lead though it never exceeded four points and included seven ties until the final second of the first half when trailing by two Eau Claire's Cady Roedl sank a 45 foot bank shot giving the BluGolds a 39-38 lead. Kumerow's 14 points led both teams. Eau Claire scored first in the second half and held their largest lead of the game 43-40 at the seventeen minute mark. The two teams tied twice over the next few minutes when Abbey Reeve's three-point basket put the WARHAWKS 50-47. Reeve's hit two more three-pointers to increase the WARHAWKS lead to seven, 53-49 after six and half minutes of play. After that the WARHAWKS would build double figure leads (11 & 12 points). The BluGolds would get to within three points once and four twice before the game ended with a 6-0 WARHAWKS run.
It was good game in which both teams battled back and forth with seven lead changes and ten ties. Reeve's three-pointers on consecutive possessions seemed to be the turning point. After that the BluGolds would hang tough but each time they got close the WARHAWKS would get the basket they needed.
Reeve's fifteen points led the WARHAWKS bench to a 24-3 scoring margin which was a significant factor in the win. The two teams played close in the paint, 30-24 WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS turned the ball over eight fewer times, 20-28, and had 18 steals which led to a 28-16 advantage in points off of them. The WARHAWKS shot 19 of 21 from the free throw line.
Kumerow's 23 points and 12 rebounds were game highs. Reeves added 15 and Palmer 10. Kaitlyn Thill finished with a game high 9 steals.
Leah Rempert and Courtney Lewis had 19 points apiece to lead the BluGolds.
The WARHAWKS travel to Stevens Point Wednesday.
Elsewhere in the league:
Stevens Point: 83
U of Chicago: 69
Oshkosh: 62
River Falls: 47
Superior: 80
LaCrosse: 57
Platteville: 70
Stout: 65
Eau Claire: 72
Eau Claire scored the first points of the game but the WARHAWKS tied the game on a basket from Courtney Kumerow and went ahead on a layup by Lisa Palmer. The WARHAWKS held the lead though it never exceeded four points and included seven ties until the final second of the first half when trailing by two Eau Claire's Cady Roedl sank a 45 foot bank shot giving the BluGolds a 39-38 lead. Kumerow's 14 points led both teams. Eau Claire scored first in the second half and held their largest lead of the game 43-40 at the seventeen minute mark. The two teams tied twice over the next few minutes when Abbey Reeve's three-point basket put the WARHAWKS 50-47. Reeve's hit two more three-pointers to increase the WARHAWKS lead to seven, 53-49 after six and half minutes of play. After that the WARHAWKS would build double figure leads (11 & 12 points). The BluGolds would get to within three points once and four twice before the game ended with a 6-0 WARHAWKS run.
It was good game in which both teams battled back and forth with seven lead changes and ten ties. Reeve's three-pointers on consecutive possessions seemed to be the turning point. After that the BluGolds would hang tough but each time they got close the WARHAWKS would get the basket they needed.
Reeve's fifteen points led the WARHAWKS bench to a 24-3 scoring margin which was a significant factor in the win. The two teams played close in the paint, 30-24 WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS turned the ball over eight fewer times, 20-28, and had 18 steals which led to a 28-16 advantage in points off of them. The WARHAWKS shot 19 of 21 from the free throw line.
Kumerow's 23 points and 12 rebounds were game highs. Reeves added 15 and Palmer 10. Kaitlyn Thill finished with a game high 9 steals.
Leah Rempert and Courtney Lewis had 19 points apiece to lead the BluGolds.
The WARHAWKS travel to Stevens Point Wednesday.
Elsewhere in the league:
Stevens Point: 83
U of Chicago: 69
Oshkosh: 62
River Falls: 47
Superior: 80
LaCrosse: 57
Platteville: 70
Stout: 65
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 12, 2012, 09:44:45 PM
Post by: JMM on December 12, 2012, 09:44:45 PM
Hats off to WW. Nice win SUP. Never, never rule Shirley out. The season is young as WIAC fans know.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2012, 12:11:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2012, 12:11:07 PM
WARHAWKS: 58
Pointers: 55
Point scored first but then went almost three minutes without another basket. The WARHAWKS didn't get their first basket until almost two and half minutes had been played and then went on a 13-2 run to go up 15-4. Point answered that with a 11-0 run of their own to close within a point 16-15. The WARHAWKS answered that with another run of their own, this one 14-5, and were up ten, 30-20, with two and half minutes left in the half. Point finished the half with four straight points and the score was 30-24 in favor of the WARHAWKS. Neither team shot particularly well, WW: 36%, Point: 37%. Lisa Palmer led both teams with 8 points and 5 rebounds. Point started the second half with a 16-2 run to go up by eight, 40-32, but over the next six minutes the WARHAWKS battled back. A fast break basket by Mary Merg tied the game and on the next possession Katie Burton sank a shot to put the WARHAWKS back on top 46-44. The WARHAWKS built the lead up to nine points, 57-48, before Point countered and pulled to within two points, 57-55, with less than a minute to play. Merg's free throw with three seconds left put the lead at three points and Point missed on their final possession.
Point outshot the WARHAWKS 40% to 35% and scored two more baskets overall. However the WARHAWKS made an extra three point basket and 10 free throws to 4 by the Pointers. Bench scoring played a role in the win as the WARHAWKS held a 30-8 advantage.
Courtney Kumerow finished with 12 points and was the only WARHAWK to score in double figures. Kumerow and Burton led the WARHAWKS with 8 rebounds each while Palmer and Kaitlyn Thill each had 7. Merg had a team high 3 assists. Thill and Palmer each had a pair of steals.
Myranda Tyler led the Pointers with a game high 17 points and Sam Barber had 10 points and a game high 9 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS will travel to Holland, Michigan for a weekend tournament in which they will face Kalamazoo College Friday and the host Hope College on Saturday.
Pointers: 55
Point scored first but then went almost three minutes without another basket. The WARHAWKS didn't get their first basket until almost two and half minutes had been played and then went on a 13-2 run to go up 15-4. Point answered that with a 11-0 run of their own to close within a point 16-15. The WARHAWKS answered that with another run of their own, this one 14-5, and were up ten, 30-20, with two and half minutes left in the half. Point finished the half with four straight points and the score was 30-24 in favor of the WARHAWKS. Neither team shot particularly well, WW: 36%, Point: 37%. Lisa Palmer led both teams with 8 points and 5 rebounds. Point started the second half with a 16-2 run to go up by eight, 40-32, but over the next six minutes the WARHAWKS battled back. A fast break basket by Mary Merg tied the game and on the next possession Katie Burton sank a shot to put the WARHAWKS back on top 46-44. The WARHAWKS built the lead up to nine points, 57-48, before Point countered and pulled to within two points, 57-55, with less than a minute to play. Merg's free throw with three seconds left put the lead at three points and Point missed on their final possession.
Point outshot the WARHAWKS 40% to 35% and scored two more baskets overall. However the WARHAWKS made an extra three point basket and 10 free throws to 4 by the Pointers. Bench scoring played a role in the win as the WARHAWKS held a 30-8 advantage.
Courtney Kumerow finished with 12 points and was the only WARHAWK to score in double figures. Kumerow and Burton led the WARHAWKS with 8 rebounds each while Palmer and Kaitlyn Thill each had 7. Merg had a team high 3 assists. Thill and Palmer each had a pair of steals.
Myranda Tyler led the Pointers with a game high 17 points and Sam Barber had 10 points and a game high 9 rebounds.
The WARHAWKS will travel to Holland, Michigan for a weekend tournament in which they will face Kalamazoo College Friday and the host Hope College on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
Elsewhere:
St Marys (Mn) 56 LaCrosse 45 ... Vandusseldorp 11 points, two teams combine for steals
River Falls 72 Stout 61 ... Loeders 18 points, RF 22 additional shots on basket
Superior 73 EauClaire 65 ... Linzmeier 24 points, Bingea 14 points
Platteville 68 Augustana 53 ... Wellnitz 17 points
St Marys (Mn) 56 LaCrosse 45 ... Vandusseldorp 11 points, two teams combine for steals
River Falls 72 Stout 61 ... Loeders 18 points, RF 22 additional shots on basket
Superior 73 EauClaire 65 ... Linzmeier 24 points, Bingea 14 points
Platteville 68 Augustana 53 ... Wellnitz 17 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 13, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
Post by: JMM on December 13, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
Tthe UW Superior win over EC was the first over EC since 1987. The Yellowjacket win over SP was the first over SP since 1995. Beware WW fans, the Yellowjackets are "super" for real this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2012, 09:37:32 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2012, 09:37:32 AM
They're starting to get my attention. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2012, 12:37:55 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2012, 12:37:55 PM
WARHAWKS: 101
Kalamazoo: 45
The WARHAWKS scored the first eight points of the game and took a double digit lead 17-6 in the first four minutes. After that the lead grew to a high of twenty nine before the half ended with the lead at twenty two, 52-30. Courtney Kumerow and Emily McCullik each scored 8 points. Mary Merg and Kaitlyn Thill had 6 points each and Merg added 6 rebounds. The WARHAWKS pressure defense forced 15 KC turnovers while the offense committed just 5. The WARHAWKS opened the second half with a fifteen point run and the lead just grew from there as KC only managed a total of fifteen points in the second half.
Kumerow finished with a game high 16 points in sixteen minutes. Abbie Reeves (12), Merg (10) and McCullik (10) also scored in double figures. Megan Theune's 4 assists were a game high and Merg's 3 steals tied for a game high. The WARHAWKS out boarded KC 41-28 and committed 10 turnovers to KC's 26. Fifteen players scored.
WARHAWKS: 52
Hope: 63
Unfortunately things weren't as easy Saturday as the WARHAWKS turned the ball over 15 times, scored just 9 points and shot 17% in the first half to trail by 21 points, 30-9 against 7th ranked Hope College. The WARHAWKS rallied in the second half whittling the lead down to single digits, 56-48, with two minutes remaining. But forced to foul to stop the clock and Hope's 7-8 from the line down the stretch sealed their fate. In addition to the horrid first half free throws were a significant factor. The WARHAWKS hit 10-12 but Hope hit 23-26.
Mary Merg led the WARHAWKS with 17 points and a game high 5 assists. Megan Theune had a team high 3 steals and added 10 points.
The weekend split leave the WARHAWKS with an 8-3 record.
Kalamazoo: 45
The WARHAWKS scored the first eight points of the game and took a double digit lead 17-6 in the first four minutes. After that the lead grew to a high of twenty nine before the half ended with the lead at twenty two, 52-30. Courtney Kumerow and Emily McCullik each scored 8 points. Mary Merg and Kaitlyn Thill had 6 points each and Merg added 6 rebounds. The WARHAWKS pressure defense forced 15 KC turnovers while the offense committed just 5. The WARHAWKS opened the second half with a fifteen point run and the lead just grew from there as KC only managed a total of fifteen points in the second half.
Kumerow finished with a game high 16 points in sixteen minutes. Abbie Reeves (12), Merg (10) and McCullik (10) also scored in double figures. Megan Theune's 4 assists were a game high and Merg's 3 steals tied for a game high. The WARHAWKS out boarded KC 41-28 and committed 10 turnovers to KC's 26. Fifteen players scored.
WARHAWKS: 52
Hope: 63
Unfortunately things weren't as easy Saturday as the WARHAWKS turned the ball over 15 times, scored just 9 points and shot 17% in the first half to trail by 21 points, 30-9 against 7th ranked Hope College. The WARHAWKS rallied in the second half whittling the lead down to single digits, 56-48, with two minutes remaining. But forced to foul to stop the clock and Hope's 7-8 from the line down the stretch sealed their fate. In addition to the horrid first half free throws were a significant factor. The WARHAWKS hit 10-12 but Hope hit 23-26.
Mary Merg led the WARHAWKS with 17 points and a game high 5 assists. Megan Theune had a team high 3 steals and added 10 points.
The weekend split leave the WARHAWKS with an 8-3 record.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 16, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
In the league:
Superior: 85 ... Sally Linzmeier 30 points
St Scholastica: 49
Illinois Wesleyan: 49
Stevens Point: 84 ... Taylor Bahr 20 points
Stout: 71 ... Whitney Rawdon 18 points
Marian: 64
Eau Claire: 56 ... Sarah Bingea 15 points
Luther: 52
Superior: 78 ... Sally Linzmeier 16 points
Bethany Lutheran: 63
Oshkosh: 71 ... Elizabeth Lawinger 17 points
Platteville: 57 ... Katie Kitzke 25 points
River Falls: 62 ... Tess Lueders 17 points
Simpson: 67
Superior: 85 ... Sally Linzmeier 30 points
St Scholastica: 49
Illinois Wesleyan: 49
Stevens Point: 84 ... Taylor Bahr 20 points
Stout: 71 ... Whitney Rawdon 18 points
Marian: 64
Eau Claire: 56 ... Sarah Bingea 15 points
Luther: 52
Superior: 78 ... Sally Linzmeier 16 points
Bethany Lutheran: 63
Oshkosh: 71 ... Elizabeth Lawinger 17 points
Platteville: 57 ... Katie Kitzke 25 points
River Falls: 62 ... Tess Lueders 17 points
Simpson: 67
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2012, 09:39:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 18, 2012, 09:39:46 AM
The WARHAWKS JV team annilated Milwaukee Tech last night 101-40something. The game was competitive to 12 points and after that it wasn't. The JV team is the first to put 100 on the new scoreboards.
Superior getting some votes in this week's Top 25. No, they aren't in the top 25 but come in at 39th. Point and WHITEWATER are ranked 17th and 18th respectively. River Falls is also mentioned.
Superior getting some votes in this week's Top 25. No, they aren't in the top 25 but come in at 39th. Point and WHITEWATER are ranked 17th and 18th respectively. River Falls is also mentioned.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
WARHAWKS: 58
Millikin: 49
The WARHAWKS and the Big Blue met in what could be described as a low scoring, turnover plagued affair. Millikin started out with an 11-4 run and held a lead until Sam Quandt's jumper put the WARHAWKS on top 18-16 with seven minutes remaining. The two teams were tied 22-22 with two minutes left when the WARHAWKS scored the final six points and led 28-22 at the half. Both teams shot poorly in the half finishing at 32% each. The WARHAWKS were just 1-7 on three point attempts to Millikin's 3-4 but outscored the Big Blue 7-1 from the charity stripe. Millikin started the second half with another run, this time 15-6, and took a 37-34 lead. But the WARHAWKS tied the game 41-41 on Mary Merg's first of two free throws and the second gave them the lead for good. A 17-4 WARHAWK run thereafter put the game away 58-45 with three and half minutes left. Millikin scored the games only points after that.
The two teams combined for 57 turnovers (WW: 23, MU: 34) 33 of which (WW: 17, MU: 16) were steals. The WARHAWKS had a 26-11 advantage in points off of turnovers. Millikin shot 58% in the second half but WHITEWATER scored an additional basket, 21 to 20, and outscored the Big Blue 13-4 at the free throw line.
Merg led all scorers with 14 points. Courtney Kumerow added 10 points and completed a double-double with a game high 10 rebounds. Megan Theune's 2 assists led the team while Katie Burton's 4 steals were also a team high.
WARHAWKS will meet Millsaps today.
Millikin: 49
The WARHAWKS and the Big Blue met in what could be described as a low scoring, turnover plagued affair. Millikin started out with an 11-4 run and held a lead until Sam Quandt's jumper put the WARHAWKS on top 18-16 with seven minutes remaining. The two teams were tied 22-22 with two minutes left when the WARHAWKS scored the final six points and led 28-22 at the half. Both teams shot poorly in the half finishing at 32% each. The WARHAWKS were just 1-7 on three point attempts to Millikin's 3-4 but outscored the Big Blue 7-1 from the charity stripe. Millikin started the second half with another run, this time 15-6, and took a 37-34 lead. But the WARHAWKS tied the game 41-41 on Mary Merg's first of two free throws and the second gave them the lead for good. A 17-4 WARHAWK run thereafter put the game away 58-45 with three and half minutes left. Millikin scored the games only points after that.
The two teams combined for 57 turnovers (WW: 23, MU: 34) 33 of which (WW: 17, MU: 16) were steals. The WARHAWKS had a 26-11 advantage in points off of turnovers. Millikin shot 58% in the second half but WHITEWATER scored an additional basket, 21 to 20, and outscored the Big Blue 13-4 at the free throw line.
Merg led all scorers with 14 points. Courtney Kumerow added 10 points and completed a double-double with a game high 10 rebounds. Megan Theune's 2 assists led the team while Katie Burton's 4 steals were also a team high.
WARHAWKS will meet Millsaps today.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 30, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on December 30, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
STOUTGUY! Long time-you know...
I'm cautiously optimistic about our women's basketball team. Sally Linzmeier doesn't like to lose and, thanks to some very nice players around her, she's been competitive--the team has been competitive. Of course, the real test comes now with the real season getting under way. I'm hoping.
Liz is in Tampa, working for FedEx. She escaped the snow and cold and won't come back, she says. Crazy, crazy, crazy. She keeps going farther south and I keep wanting to go farther north. Who can figure genetics?
I watched the Stout-UWS game via live stats while sitting through the men's game--yikes, that was awful--and rode a rollercoaster watching the point spread grow. I was practically hysterical when UWS caught up, and then morose when they lost. They're battlers. I like 'em.
Marcol. I don't know. I don't think she got much playing time last year. She had size, as I recall. It shocks me that we have a roster big enough that I don't clearly recall players. Not a luxury I'm used to up here.
I'm cautiously optimistic about our women's basketball team. Sally Linzmeier doesn't like to lose and, thanks to some very nice players around her, she's been competitive--the team has been competitive. Of course, the real test comes now with the real season getting under way. I'm hoping.
Liz is in Tampa, working for FedEx. She escaped the snow and cold and won't come back, she says. Crazy, crazy, crazy. She keeps going farther south and I keep wanting to go farther north. Who can figure genetics?
I watched the Stout-UWS game via live stats while sitting through the men's game--yikes, that was awful--and rode a rollercoaster watching the point spread grow. I was practically hysterical when UWS caught up, and then morose when they lost. They're battlers. I like 'em.
Marcol. I don't know. I don't think she got much playing time last year. She had size, as I recall. It shocks me that we have a roster big enough that I don't clearly recall players. Not a luxury I'm used to up here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
WARHAWKS: 83
Millisaps: 70
The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 13-2 run and built the lead to a high of sixteen, 32-16 before Millisaps finished the half with a 12-4 run making it 36-28. Courtney Kumerow led both teams with 11 points. Katie Burton's basket to start the second half put the lead back into double figures and it reached fifteen before Millisaps rallied and closed to within six 47-41 with thirteen minutes to play. The WARHAWKS would put the game away a short time later with a 23-4 spurt and maintained a double digit lead the rest of the way.
The WARHAWKS shot 53% for the game. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 20 points. Burton added 16 points, Kumerow 15 points and Abbie Reeves 12 points. Led by Thill's 8 steals the team totaled 14. As a junior Thill moves to within 15 of the current school record of 269 career steals. The current record is held by her sister, Trisha Thill. The WARHAWKS out rebounded Millisaps 36-20. Freshman Lisa Palmer's 7 led the team. Mary Merg's 6 assists tied the game high.
Millisaps: 70
The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 13-2 run and built the lead to a high of sixteen, 32-16 before Millisaps finished the half with a 12-4 run making it 36-28. Courtney Kumerow led both teams with 11 points. Katie Burton's basket to start the second half put the lead back into double figures and it reached fifteen before Millisaps rallied and closed to within six 47-41 with thirteen minutes to play. The WARHAWKS would put the game away a short time later with a 23-4 spurt and maintained a double digit lead the rest of the way.
The WARHAWKS shot 53% for the game. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 20 points. Burton added 16 points, Kumerow 15 points and Abbie Reeves 12 points. Led by Thill's 8 steals the team totaled 14. As a junior Thill moves to within 15 of the current school record of 269 career steals. The current record is held by her sister, Trisha Thill. The WARHAWKS out rebounded Millisaps 36-20. Freshman Lisa Palmer's 7 led the team. Mary Merg's 6 assists tied the game high.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 04, 2013, 02:12:43 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 04, 2013, 02:12:43 PM
Outstanding defensive effort by Oshkosh last night. Superior had a goose-egg for the last 9+ minutes of the first half. Great team effort, but hats off to Kuehl for shutting down Linzmeyer. Urmanski and Kitzke both notched their 1,000th point in the second half. It truly will be interesting to see if UWO can keep it going, but they definitely have been fun to watch thus far in a few home games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 06, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
WARHAWKS: 59
River Falls: 48
Despite the WARHAWKS defense holding River Falls to 29% shooting and forcing 15 Falcon turnovers their lead at the half was just six points, 27-21. Baskets by Courtney Kumerow and Katie Burton to start the second half pushed the WARHAWKS lead to double digits 31-21 and consecutive baskets from Kumerow made it a game high 14 points, 35-21 after seven minutes had been played. A 16-6 run by the Falcons over the next eight minutes brought them to within four, 41-37. Mary Merg's jumper put the WARHAWKS lead back at six and it grew to double figures 51-41 on a pair of free throws by Kaitlyn Thill with less than three minutes to play. After that, with one exception the WARHAWKS maintained a double digit lead which grew to 14 points twice.
Thill and Kumerow each scored 14 points. Thill added game highs of 5 assists and 6 steals leaving her 9 steals shy of tying the program record held by her sister. Lisa Palmer's 9 rebounds led the WARHAWKS and tied the game high. Sam Quandt's 8 points led the WARHAWKS bench which outscored the Falcons 20-5.
Brittany Gregorich finished with a game high of 17 points and Tess Leuders added 10 points for the Falcons.
The WARHAWKS will host Platteville on Wednesday.
Around the league:
Superior: 71 Sally Linzmeier 18
Platteville: 64 Elizabeth Lawinger 22
Stevens Point: 51 Myranda Tyler 13
Eau Claire: 49 Sarah Bingea 16
Oshkosh: 57 Megan Wenig 18
LaCrosse: 45 Maggie Bishop 12, Erin Levenhagan 12
River Falls: 48
Despite the WARHAWKS defense holding River Falls to 29% shooting and forcing 15 Falcon turnovers their lead at the half was just six points, 27-21. Baskets by Courtney Kumerow and Katie Burton to start the second half pushed the WARHAWKS lead to double digits 31-21 and consecutive baskets from Kumerow made it a game high 14 points, 35-21 after seven minutes had been played. A 16-6 run by the Falcons over the next eight minutes brought them to within four, 41-37. Mary Merg's jumper put the WARHAWKS lead back at six and it grew to double figures 51-41 on a pair of free throws by Kaitlyn Thill with less than three minutes to play. After that, with one exception the WARHAWKS maintained a double digit lead which grew to 14 points twice.
Thill and Kumerow each scored 14 points. Thill added game highs of 5 assists and 6 steals leaving her 9 steals shy of tying the program record held by her sister. Lisa Palmer's 9 rebounds led the WARHAWKS and tied the game high. Sam Quandt's 8 points led the WARHAWKS bench which outscored the Falcons 20-5.
Brittany Gregorich finished with a game high of 17 points and Tess Leuders added 10 points for the Falcons.
The WARHAWKS will host Platteville on Wednesday.
Around the league:
Superior: 71 Sally Linzmeier 18
Platteville: 64 Elizabeth Lawinger 22
Stevens Point: 51 Myranda Tyler 13
Eau Claire: 49 Sarah Bingea 16
Oshkosh: 57 Megan Wenig 18
LaCrosse: 45 Maggie Bishop 12, Erin Levenhagan 12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2013, 10:06:47 AM
The WARHAWKS varsity reserves defeated Dubuque's reserves 56-54 last night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2013, 11:36:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2013, 11:36:02 AM
WARHAWKS: 71
Platteville: 62
The WARHAWKS opened the scoring when freshman forward Lisa Palmer hit a three-pointer but the Pioneers held the early lead 6-5 with two and half minutes elapsed. Megan Theune's three-pointer started a 9-0 run by the WARHAWKS and they would eventually build the lead to a high of 22-10 when Amy Mandrell scored on a layup with six minutes remaining. However the Pioneers would finish the half with a 13-2 spurt that left them one point down 24-23 at the half. The WARHAWKS defense held the Pioneers to just 26% shooting in the half however the Pioneers scored 13 points off of 10 WARHAWKS turnovers to keep the score close. Palmer and Kaitlyn Thill each had 5 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Alyssa Krajo had 10 points to lead the Pioneers. The two teams traded baskets to start the second half when the WARHAWKS made a 9-0 run to put the lead into double digits 35-25. Despite the lead reaching a high of 15 points twice the Pioneers kept hanging around twice cutting it down to five points. However the WARHAWKS always seemed to have the answer and built it back to double figures each time.
The Pioneers took 18 more shots than the WARHAWKS but finished the game 34% from the floor to 46% by the WARHAWKS. Each team hit 24 shots however the WARHAWKS had an additional three-pointer and outscored the Pioneers 17-9 from the charity stripe. Platteville's 8 to 17 advantage in turnovers gave them a 15-8 scoring advantage off of them.
Theune, taking advantage of her first starting opportunity of the season, finished with a team high 18 points. Thill finished with 11. Mary Merg had a game high 9 rebounds and Palmer added 8 as the WARHAWKS out rebounded the Pioneers 42-33. Thill and Theune each had 4 assists.
Elizabeth Lawinger had game highs of 19 points and 4 steals to lead the Pioneers.
The line of the night goes to the Platteville gentleman who shouted, "Why don't you kiss her while you're at it" to an official in conference with WARHAWKS coach Keri Carollo.
The WARHAWKS head north to face the surprising Yellow Jackets Saturday.
Other results:
Eau Claire: 52 Sarah Bingea 22 points
Oshkosh: 46 Megan Wenig 20 points
River Falls: 56 Nikki Guhr 13 points, Brittany Gregorich 18 rebounds
LaCrosse: 53 Briana Radowicz 17 points
Stevens Point: 88 Sam Barber 33 points
Stout: 57 Brea Boomer 22 points
Platteville: 62
The WARHAWKS opened the scoring when freshman forward Lisa Palmer hit a three-pointer but the Pioneers held the early lead 6-5 with two and half minutes elapsed. Megan Theune's three-pointer started a 9-0 run by the WARHAWKS and they would eventually build the lead to a high of 22-10 when Amy Mandrell scored on a layup with six minutes remaining. However the Pioneers would finish the half with a 13-2 spurt that left them one point down 24-23 at the half. The WARHAWKS defense held the Pioneers to just 26% shooting in the half however the Pioneers scored 13 points off of 10 WARHAWKS turnovers to keep the score close. Palmer and Kaitlyn Thill each had 5 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Alyssa Krajo had 10 points to lead the Pioneers. The two teams traded baskets to start the second half when the WARHAWKS made a 9-0 run to put the lead into double digits 35-25. Despite the lead reaching a high of 15 points twice the Pioneers kept hanging around twice cutting it down to five points. However the WARHAWKS always seemed to have the answer and built it back to double figures each time.
The Pioneers took 18 more shots than the WARHAWKS but finished the game 34% from the floor to 46% by the WARHAWKS. Each team hit 24 shots however the WARHAWKS had an additional three-pointer and outscored the Pioneers 17-9 from the charity stripe. Platteville's 8 to 17 advantage in turnovers gave them a 15-8 scoring advantage off of them.
Theune, taking advantage of her first starting opportunity of the season, finished with a team high 18 points. Thill finished with 11. Mary Merg had a game high 9 rebounds and Palmer added 8 as the WARHAWKS out rebounded the Pioneers 42-33. Thill and Theune each had 4 assists.
Elizabeth Lawinger had game highs of 19 points and 4 steals to lead the Pioneers.
The line of the night goes to the Platteville gentleman who shouted, "Why don't you kiss her while you're at it" to an official in conference with WARHAWKS coach Keri Carollo.
The WARHAWKS head north to face the surprising Yellow Jackets Saturday.
Other results:
Eau Claire: 52 Sarah Bingea 22 points
Oshkosh: 46 Megan Wenig 20 points
River Falls: 56 Nikki Guhr 13 points, Brittany Gregorich 18 rebounds
LaCrosse: 53 Briana Radowicz 17 points
Stevens Point: 88 Sam Barber 33 points
Stout: 57 Brea Boomer 22 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on January 10, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on January 10, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2013, 11:36:02 AM
WARHAWKS: 71
Platteville: 62
The WARHAWKS opened the scoring when freshman forward Lisa Palmer hit a three-pointer but the Pioneers held the early lead 6-5 with two and half minutes elapsed. Megan Theune's three-pointer started a 9-0 run by the WARHAWKS and they would eventually build the lead to a high of 22-10 when Amy Mandrell scored on a layup with six minutes remaining. However the Pioneers would finish the half with a 13-2 spurt that left them one point down 24-23 at the half. The WARHAWKS defense held the Pioneers to just 26% shooting in the half however the Pioneers scored 13 points off of 10 WARHAWKS turnovers to keep the score close. Palmer and Kaitlyn Thill each had 5 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Alyssa Krajo had 10 points to lead the Pioneers. The two teams traded baskets to start the second half when the WARHAWKS made a 9-0 run to put the lead into double digits 35-25. Despite the lead reaching a high of 15 points twice the Pioneers kept hanging around twice cutting it down to five points. However the WARHAWKS always seemed to have the answer and built it back to double figures each time.
The Pioneers took 18 more shots than the WARHAWKS but finished the game 34% from the floor to 46% by the WARHAWKS. Each team hit 24 shots however the WARHAWKS had an additional three-pointer and outscored the Pioneers 17-9 from the charity stripe. Platteville's 8 to 17 advantage in turnovers gave them a 15-8 scoring advantage off of them.
Theune, taking advantage of her first starting opportunity of the season, finished with a team high 18 points. Thill finished with 11. Mary Merg had a game high 9 rebounds and Palmer added 8 as the WARHAWKS out rebounded the Pioneers 42-33. Thill and Theune each had 4 assists.
Elizabeth Lawinger had game highs of 19 points and 4 steals to lead the Pioneers.
The line of the night goes to the Platteville gentleman who shouted, "Why don't you kiss her while you're at it" to an official in conference with WARHAWKS coach Keri Carollo.
The WARHAWKS head north to face the surprising Yellow Jackets Saturday.
Other results:
Eau Claire: 52 Sarah Bingea 22 points
Oshkosh: 46 Megan Wenig 20 points
River Falls: 56 Nikki Guhr 13 points, Brittany Gregorich 18 rebounds
LaCrosse: 53 Briana Radowicz 17 points
Stevens Point: 88 Sam Barber 33 points
Stout: 57 Brea Boomer 22 points
After watching that game last night I have no clue how EC came in at 2-3. Sarah Bingea can straight up ball. I love her face up post game and her ability to put the ball on the deck and beat folks off the dribble makes her a match-up nightmare. If you put a post on her she'll drive right past her. If you put a small player on her she'll just shoot over the top and grab some offensive boards while she's at it. In that respect she has a very Dirk Nowitski esque game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
I was impressed with her game when they played here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on January 11, 2013, 03:05:54 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on January 11, 2013, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2013, 10:14:05 AM
I was impressed with her game when they played here.
Who for UWW guarded her? Also I'd be courious to know who guarded her when they played point, any Pointers out there who can help?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
Sorry my memory isn't that good.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 13, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 13, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
Waiting for the fallout from UWS-UWW game yesterday. Helloo...elloo...looo?
Hilary Peterson plays first game this year (2013) after sitting out with a concussion. I wondered why Oshkosh trampled us so badly: no height.
Here's my question: when coaches rag on refs for a perceived missed call, do they argue as vehemently when one of their players benefits? If not, then they need to sit down and shut up.
Thank you. Finally, UWS can take advantage of bus legs
Hilary Peterson plays first game this year (2013) after sitting out with a concussion. I wondered why Oshkosh trampled us so badly: no height.
Here's my question: when coaches rag on refs for a perceived missed call, do they argue as vehemently when one of their players benefits? If not, then they need to sit down and shut up.
Thank you. Finally, UWS can take advantage of bus legs
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2013, 09:00:50 PM
Post by: stoutguy on January 15, 2013, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 13, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
Waiting for the fallout from UWS-UWW game yesterday. Helloo...elloo...looo?
Hilary Peterson plays first game this year (2013) after sitting out with a concussion. I wondered why Oshkosh trampled us so badly: no height.
Here's my question: when coaches rag on refs for a perceived missed call, do they argue as vehemently when one of their players benefits? If not, then they need to sit down and shut up.
Thank you. Finally, UWS can take advantage of bus legs
Don't hold your breath, Phoenix_Rising. The WW people generally only talk about the wins :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Usually there's at least some noise about the bad calls. This silence is like The Day After Tomorrow and everybody but, apparently, Stoutguy and I are the only ones left alive. Has the shock of a UWS winning (so far) season struck everyone dumb?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on January 16, 2013, 12:18:18 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on January 16, 2013, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 16, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Usually there's at least some noise about the bad calls. This silence is like The Day After Tomorrow and everybody but, apparently, Stoutguy and I are the only ones left alive. Has the shock of a UWS winning (so far) season struck everyone dumb?
I wasn't shocked. Surprised, sure but shocked no. That is a LONG trip and with how UWW plays, up tempo and high pressure, those trips are going to be tough on them. Also Superior is a good team, it seems like Urmanski has been around forever. UWW at UWO should be a good one tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 16, 2013, 10:56:35 PM
Post by: cubs on January 16, 2013, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: stoutguy on January 15, 2013, 09:00:50 PMGuess we won't hear anything from the WW faithful about UWO's win over Whitewater tonight then either... ;)Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 13, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
Waiting for the fallout from UWS-UWW game yesterday. Helloo...elloo...looo?
Hilary Peterson plays first game this year (2013) after sitting out with a concussion. I wondered why Oshkosh trampled us so badly: no height.
Here's my question: when coaches rag on refs for a perceived missed call, do they argue as vehemently when one of their players benefits? If not, then they need to sit down and shut up.
Thank you. Finally, UWS can take advantage of bus legs
Don't hold your breath, Phoenix_Rising. The WW people generally only talk about the wins :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 09:43:07 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 09:43:07 AM
Can someone point me in the direction of the NCAA/WIAC rulebook where it says that fans cannot use specific names while cheering during a game?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 09:56:09 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 09:56:09 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 09:43:07 AMChants and cheers are up to the discretion of the event manager. If he/she feels it's inappropriate or especially unsportsmanlike, they can take action. It'd be ridiculous to try and document every possible chant or cheer that is/is not permissible, so you place it in the hands of reasonable people to make the call.
Can someone point me in the direction of the NCAA/WIAC rulebook where it says that fans cannot use specific names while cheering during a game?
You may commence your whine.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2013, 10:06:50 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2013, 10:06:50 AM
The reason no one has heard from me recently is that after making 14 of the 18 posts made between 12/13 and 1/13 I started feeling like I was talking to myself and concluded that there wasn't that much interest in discussing WIAC womens basketball this year.
As far as Superior goes I only listened to a short portion of the radio broadcast. He made no mention of the officiating while I was listening. I'm not shocked that we were beaten. You aren't going to win many games shooting 30%. I mentioned a few weeks ago that the Yellow Jackets were getting my attention. Linzmeier is a legit POY candidate and Urmanski is playing well. They are obviously a team that can beat anyone on any given night.
Another loss last night. As I was busy at the men's game I wasn't able to follow the game however when I see that we scored 49 points in 40 minutes of basketball I can probably safely conclude that we didn't play well and our shot % probably isn't any better than it was Wednesday night. The WARHAWKS are obviously in a slump. Hopefully Stout at home on Saturday afternoon will get us back on track.
As far as Superior goes I only listened to a short portion of the radio broadcast. He made no mention of the officiating while I was listening. I'm not shocked that we were beaten. You aren't going to win many games shooting 30%. I mentioned a few weeks ago that the Yellow Jackets were getting my attention. Linzmeier is a legit POY candidate and Urmanski is playing well. They are obviously a team that can beat anyone on any given night.
Another loss last night. As I was busy at the men's game I wasn't able to follow the game however when I see that we scored 49 points in 40 minutes of basketball I can probably safely conclude that we didn't play well and our shot % probably isn't any better than it was Wednesday night. The WARHAWKS are obviously in a slump. Hopefully Stout at home on Saturday afternoon will get us back on track.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on January 17, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on January 17, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2013, 10:06:50 AM
The reason no one has heard from me recently is that after making 14 of the 18 posts made between 12/13 and 1/13 I started feeling like I was talking to myself and concluded that there wasn't that much interest in discussing WIAC womens basketball this year.
As far as Superior goes I only listened to a short portion of the radio broadcast. He made no mention of the officiating while I was listening. I'm not shocked that we were beaten. You aren't going to win many games shooting 30%. I mentioned a few weeks ago that the Yellow Jackets were getting my attention. Linzmeier is a legit POY candidate and Urmanski is playing well. They are obviously a team that can beat anyone on any given night.
Another loss last night. As I was busy at the men's game I wasn't able to follow the game however when I see that we scored 49 points in 40 minutes of basketball I can probably safely conclude that we didn't play well and our shot % probably isn't any better than it was Wednesday night. The WARHAWKS are obviously in a slump. Hopefully Stout at home on Saturday afternoon will get us back on track.
No prob bob. You talk to yourself to much and they send you away, trust me I know. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 02:49:39 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 09:56:09 AMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 09:43:07 AMChants and cheers are up to the discretion of the event manager. If he/she feels it's inappropriate or especially unsportsmanlike, they can take action. It'd be ridiculous to try and document every possible chant or cheer that is/is not permissible, so you place it in the hands of reasonable people to make the call.
Can someone point me in the direction of the NCAA/WIAC rulebook where it says that fans cannot use specific names while cheering during a game?
You may commence your whine.
No whine. I am just wondering how a coach can say, "Make them stop. That is a rule and they are NOT allowed to do that!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 17, 2013, 03:09:16 PM
Post by: cubs on January 17, 2013, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 02:49:39 PMYou mean your mentor Coach Schumacher didn't pass that memo along while you were an assistant for her at Oshkosh West? ;DQuote from: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 09:56:09 AMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 09:43:07 AMChants and cheers are up to the discretion of the event manager. If he/she feels it's inappropriate or especially unsportsmanlike, they can take action. It'd be ridiculous to try and document every possible chant or cheer that is/is not permissible, so you place it in the hands of reasonable people to make the call.
Can someone point me in the direction of the NCAA/WIAC rulebook where it says that fans cannot use specific names while cheering during a game?
You may commence your whine.
No whine. I am just wondering how a coach can say, "Make them stop. That is a rule and they are NOT allowed to do that!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
That would have been a NFHS/WIAA rule, which there is not. I am asking about an NCAA/WIAC rule. Geez things get off topic in a hurry.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 10:00:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
That would have been a NFHS/WIAA rule, which there is not. I am asking about an NCAA/WIAC rule. Geez things get off topic in a hurry.
I can guarantee you there's no specific NCAA rule. I'm pretty sure there's no WIAC rule that specific either, but the sport code is available on the WIAC website, so you could check easily enough. The rules governing crowd control are much more general.
And anyway, it wouldn't be the refs job to stop that behavior, unless it was really awful enough to get their attention. If a coach had a complaint they would need to make it to the designated event manager, who would then decide whether or not to take action.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 17, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
Post by: cubs on January 17, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 17, 2013, 06:15:19 PMWhether it is NFHS/WIAA or NCAA/WIAC the procedure would be the same. Contact game manager (often times the AD) and they will take care of it.
That would have been a NFHS/WIAA rule, which there is not. I am asking about an NCAA/WIAC rule. Geez things get off topic in a hurry.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 18, 2013, 08:27:44 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 18, 2013, 08:27:44 AM
For all the whining coaches do during the game about the rules and how they are interpreted/enforced, I think it is kind of cheap to try and make up a rule because you don't like the crowd chanting your players name every time they touch the ball of shoot a FT.
So how does eveyone think the second half will shape up? Who ends up with the top 2 seeds? Safe picks of Point and WW? Or can Superior or UWO sneak into one?
So how does eveyone think the second half will shape up? Who ends up with the top 2 seeds? Safe picks of Point and WW? Or can Superior or UWO sneak into one?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 18, 2013, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: cubs on January 18, 2013, 09:21:46 AM
Not sure if Oshkosh will earn a Top 2 seed, but regardless one has to be impressed with the success that Coach Fischer and the Titans have had up to this point in the season. After being hired extremely late in the grand scheme of things, he has taken a roster that went 1-15 in WIAC play under Coach Schumacher and got them off to a 14-3 (6-2 WIAC) start. Other than the addition of Kuehl, the faces are the same, but the results are entirely different.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2013, 02:18:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2013, 02:18:01 PM
WARHAWKS: 86
Stout: 47
Mary Merg's three-pointer opened the scoring for the WARHAWKS and it was off to the races after that. The lead reached double figures for good after four minutes. The WARHAWKS lead reached 35 points twice before the half ended with the score 52-19. The WARHAWKS shot 57% in the half and connected on 6 of 7 three-pointers. A size advantage led to a 18-6 scoring edge in the paint and 21 Blue Devil turnovers resulted in a 24-4 advantage in points off of them. Merg led the WARHAWKS with 13 points while Kaitlyn Thill's stat line read 12 points, 5 assists, 3 steals and 4 rebounds. The WARHAWKS lead reached forty-five points twice in the second half and Stout would get no closer than 31 points.
The WARHAWKS shot 55% for the game including 9-12 from beyond the arc. Merg's 13 points led five WARHAWKS in double figures. Thill and Megan Theune chipped in with 12 points each while Abbie Reeves added 11 points and Courtney Kumerow 10 points. Kumerow and Thill each had a team high 5 rebounds as the WARHAWKS won the boards 42-30. Thill had a team high 6 assists and Quandt a game high 4 steals. No WARHAWK played more than 18 minutes.
Thill's first steal, 20 seconds into the game, gave her the program's career steal record previously held by her sister, Trisha Thill. Thill's career steal mark stands at 271 good for sixth in conference history. With a full season and the remainder of this season to go Thill would seem a lock to surpass Sue Christiansen's (EC) conference record of 307. Kumerow also reached career milestones as she became just the sixth player in program history to record 500 rebounds (504) and score 1000 points (1004).
Katelynne Folkers led the Blue Devils with 10 points.
Stout: 47
Mary Merg's three-pointer opened the scoring for the WARHAWKS and it was off to the races after that. The lead reached double figures for good after four minutes. The WARHAWKS lead reached 35 points twice before the half ended with the score 52-19. The WARHAWKS shot 57% in the half and connected on 6 of 7 three-pointers. A size advantage led to a 18-6 scoring edge in the paint and 21 Blue Devil turnovers resulted in a 24-4 advantage in points off of them. Merg led the WARHAWKS with 13 points while Kaitlyn Thill's stat line read 12 points, 5 assists, 3 steals and 4 rebounds. The WARHAWKS lead reached forty-five points twice in the second half and Stout would get no closer than 31 points.
The WARHAWKS shot 55% for the game including 9-12 from beyond the arc. Merg's 13 points led five WARHAWKS in double figures. Thill and Megan Theune chipped in with 12 points each while Abbie Reeves added 11 points and Courtney Kumerow 10 points. Kumerow and Thill each had a team high 5 rebounds as the WARHAWKS won the boards 42-30. Thill had a team high 6 assists and Quandt a game high 4 steals. No WARHAWK played more than 18 minutes.
Thill's first steal, 20 seconds into the game, gave her the program's career steal record previously held by her sister, Trisha Thill. Thill's career steal mark stands at 271 good for sixth in conference history. With a full season and the remainder of this season to go Thill would seem a lock to surpass Sue Christiansen's (EC) conference record of 307. Kumerow also reached career milestones as she became just the sixth player in program history to record 500 rebounds (504) and score 1000 points (1004).
Katelynne Folkers led the Blue Devils with 10 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on January 23, 2013, 11:05:53 AM
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on January 23, 2013, 11:05:53 AM
It is amazing that UW Superior is ranked. I am a friend of thier coach and I am excited to see them having a good year. I am going to try to get to the River Falls and LaCrosse road games. I have watched some of the games on streaming.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 09:48:16 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 09:48:16 AM
Spouse went to UW-S vs UWEC game last night and said Soup women played great defense early on. Appeared to lag in the last quarter of play (or UWEC became more offensive) but managed a win. I like defense. A lot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2013, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2013, 11:39:47 AM
WARHAWKS: 65
Stevens Point: 59
After the WARHAWKS blanked on their first couple possessions the Pointers Josie Schultz opened the scoring. However Kaitlyn Thill's steal and breakaway layup on the Pointers next possession tied the game and Mary Merg's jumper gave the WARHAWKS the early lead. The WARHAWKS maintained a lead which ranged from a single point to a high of six points for the next twelve minutes before the Pointers went ahead on a three-pointer from Sam Barber. After that the Pointers made a 10-3 run over the final four minutes of the half to lead 28-20 when it ended. Point outshot the WARHAWKS 43% to 32% in the half and hit 4 of 8 three-pointers while the WARHAWKS missed all six of their attempts. Barber's 11 points led both teams while Thill's 7 points paced the WARHAWKS. Baskets by Mary Merg and Lisa Palmer to start the second half cut the deficit in half but the Pointers responded with a pair of baskets themselves and the WARHAWKS were right back where they started with eighteen and a half minutes remaining. A 9-1 WARHAWKS run over the next three minutes tied the game 33-33 however the Pointers answered and maintained a lead ranging from 1-4 points for the next six minutes until Thill sank a three-pointer and knotted the score for a second time 44-44. Barber hit another three-pointer putting the Pointers back on top and they held the lead again for another five minutes until Palmer's old fashioned three point play gave the WARHAWKS a lead 54-52 that they would hold to the end.
The shooting percentages reversed themselves in the second half as the WARHAWKS shot 57% in the half while the Pointers shot 33%. Tunovers (WW:13, SP: 22) played a critical role as the WARHAWKS held a 29-13 scoring advantage in points off of them. Though the Pointers had the advantage on the boards (45-33 total, 14-7 offensive) they only outscored the WARHAWKS 8-5 on second chances and the WARHAWKS held a 24-18 advantage on points in the paint.
Thill's 14 points led the WARHAWKS while Merg added 11 points and three others scored 8 points apiece. Merg and Megan Theune had a game high 4 steals each and Palmer's 11 rebounds were also a game high. Merg also had a team high 3 assists.
Barber finished with a game high 19 points. Barber also had a team high 10 rebounds to complete a double-double. Alyssa Olp's 5 assists were a game high.
Elsewhere:
Superior shows that they're more than Linzmeier and Urmanski as the pair combine for just seven points in the 56-53 win over Eau Claire. Kristin Nett (14) and Deandra Vavra (13) pace the Yellow Jackets. Courtney Lewis's 20 points leads the BluGolds.
Platteville takes seventeen more shots and make five more baskets than Oshkosh but the Titans go 19-23 from the charity stripe, while the Pioneers miss all five of their attempts, and win by ten, 62-52. Megan Wenig leads the Titans with 16 points. Alyssa Krajco's 14 points leads Platteville.
It takes an overtime but River Falls prevails over Stout 73-65. The Falcons pull down twenty-three offensive rebounds and outrebound the Blue Devils 51-40 but the difference comes from the free throw line where the Falcons outscore the Blue Devils 31-21. Led by Brittany Gregorich and Richell Mehus with 15 points each five Flacons score in double figures. Shelby Sterba's 14 points led Stout.
Stevens Point: 59
After the WARHAWKS blanked on their first couple possessions the Pointers Josie Schultz opened the scoring. However Kaitlyn Thill's steal and breakaway layup on the Pointers next possession tied the game and Mary Merg's jumper gave the WARHAWKS the early lead. The WARHAWKS maintained a lead which ranged from a single point to a high of six points for the next twelve minutes before the Pointers went ahead on a three-pointer from Sam Barber. After that the Pointers made a 10-3 run over the final four minutes of the half to lead 28-20 when it ended. Point outshot the WARHAWKS 43% to 32% in the half and hit 4 of 8 three-pointers while the WARHAWKS missed all six of their attempts. Barber's 11 points led both teams while Thill's 7 points paced the WARHAWKS. Baskets by Mary Merg and Lisa Palmer to start the second half cut the deficit in half but the Pointers responded with a pair of baskets themselves and the WARHAWKS were right back where they started with eighteen and a half minutes remaining. A 9-1 WARHAWKS run over the next three minutes tied the game 33-33 however the Pointers answered and maintained a lead ranging from 1-4 points for the next six minutes until Thill sank a three-pointer and knotted the score for a second time 44-44. Barber hit another three-pointer putting the Pointers back on top and they held the lead again for another five minutes until Palmer's old fashioned three point play gave the WARHAWKS a lead 54-52 that they would hold to the end.
The shooting percentages reversed themselves in the second half as the WARHAWKS shot 57% in the half while the Pointers shot 33%. Tunovers (WW:13, SP: 22) played a critical role as the WARHAWKS held a 29-13 scoring advantage in points off of them. Though the Pointers had the advantage on the boards (45-33 total, 14-7 offensive) they only outscored the WARHAWKS 8-5 on second chances and the WARHAWKS held a 24-18 advantage on points in the paint.
Thill's 14 points led the WARHAWKS while Merg added 11 points and three others scored 8 points apiece. Merg and Megan Theune had a game high 4 steals each and Palmer's 11 rebounds were also a game high. Merg also had a team high 3 assists.
Barber finished with a game high 19 points. Barber also had a team high 10 rebounds to complete a double-double. Alyssa Olp's 5 assists were a game high.
Elsewhere:
Superior shows that they're more than Linzmeier and Urmanski as the pair combine for just seven points in the 56-53 win over Eau Claire. Kristin Nett (14) and Deandra Vavra (13) pace the Yellow Jackets. Courtney Lewis's 20 points leads the BluGolds.
Platteville takes seventeen more shots and make five more baskets than Oshkosh but the Titans go 19-23 from the charity stripe, while the Pioneers miss all five of their attempts, and win by ten, 62-52. Megan Wenig leads the Titans with 16 points. Alyssa Krajco's 14 points leads Platteville.
It takes an overtime but River Falls prevails over Stout 73-65. The Falcons pull down twenty-three offensive rebounds and outrebound the Blue Devils 51-40 but the difference comes from the free throw line where the Falcons outscore the Blue Devils 31-21. Led by Brittany Gregorich and Richell Mehus with 15 points each five Flacons score in double figures. Shelby Sterba's 14 points led Stout.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 11:43:10 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 11:43:10 AM
I need evidence that UW-Superior live stats often don't work. If you've had trouble, please reply. Thanks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
QuoteSuperior shows that they're more than Linzmeier and Urmanski as the pair combine for just seven points in the 56-53 win over Eau Claire
They may not have carried the team, but they're teaching the team how to play basketball. Urmanski was a dynamic player for a couple years with precious little support. Superior just never had the depth to sustain 40 minutes of good play. They often faded badly in the second half after holding their own in the first. Picking up some decent players and having a sparkplug show some gumption--players not afraid to get a little physical--has made a huge difference.
Win or lose, they're a lot more fun to watch now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on January 24, 2013, 04:56:37 PM
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on January 24, 2013, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 11:43:10 AM
I need evidence that UW-Superior live stats often don't work. If you've had trouble, please reply. Thanks
The one from Eau claire was working last night. I will try to check it out on saturday. I was having some weirdness on my Android last night but the Play by Play worked. The live stats worked greate when I got home
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 08:31:54 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 24, 2013, 08:31:54 PM
Just interested in live stats from Superior. I usually don't have trouble w/other schools' live stats.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: 3MAPS on January 25, 2013, 04:06:05 AM
Post by: 3MAPS on January 25, 2013, 04:06:05 AM
Why are there suddenly players missing from Stevens Point womens roster?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: 3MAPS on January 25, 2013, 04:06:05 AM
Why are there suddenly players missing from Stevens Point womens roster?
Who are you referring to?
The roster on their website (17 players): http://athletics.uwsp.edu/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
is identical to the stats for those who have played (17 players): http://athletics.uwsp.edu/custompages/wbball/2012-13/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND
I don't see anyone who played previously who's not on the roster now.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: 3MAPS on January 27, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
Post by: 3MAPS on January 27, 2013, 05:50:03 PM
Found out Taylor Bahr will transfer to Wisconsin Lutheran. Maybe not well accepted since stats were exsponged.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2013, 07:06:59 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 27, 2013, 07:06:59 PM
You said "players" as in the plural form, right?
WARHAWKS: 57
Eau Claire: 43
Eau Claire led in the early going until Mary Merg's three-pointer captured the lead, 7-5, for the WARHAWKS with three minutes gone. The lead continued to grow to a high of twelve points, 17-5, when Amy Mandrell sunk a layup at the fifteen minute marker. Eau Claire would cut the lead to seven points before the WARHAWKS moved it back to thirteen points, 23-10. Eau Claire once again closed the gap, this time to five points, 25-20. The WARHAWKS scored the last four points of the half and it ended with the score 29-20. Eau Claire had a cold half shooting only
28% including 1 of 7 from beyond the arc while the WARHAWKS shot 48% and hit 3 o 9 three-pointers. The WARHAWKS held a 14-4 edge in points off of turnovers. The WARHAWKS lead grew to thirteen points in the first minute and half of the second half but Eau Claire made a run cutting the lead to four, 35-31, with twelve and half minutes to play. The WARHAWKS responded and over the next couple of minutes built the lead back into double digits where, with one exception, it remained for the rest of the game having reached a high of seventeen.
Mary Merg led the WARHAWKS with a game high 13 points. Megan Theune added 11 points in support. Theune had a game high 2 steals and Kaitlyn Thill's 3 assists were also a game high. Courtney Kumerow pulled down a team high 7 rebounds.
No BluGold scored in double figures. Courtney Lewis led EauClaire with 9 points. The BluGolds suffered a big loss when Sarah Bingea appeared to sprain her ankle with twenty seconds remaining in the first half and was unable to play in the second one. Shannon Riley had a game high 8 rebounds.
Other Games:
Oshkosh: 58 ... Katelyn Kuehl 23 points - 16-17 free throws, Megan Wenig 19 points
LaCrosse: 46 ... Briana Radowicz 19, Erin Levenhagen 13 rebounds
LaCrosse scores six more baskets including two additional three-pointers but the Titans hit 29 of 33 free throws.
Superior: 78 ... Sally Linzmeier double-double 21 points, 10 rebounds
Stevens Point: 89 ... Sam Barber 27 points, 9 rebounds.
Superior takes the lead in the first minute and holds it until just 27 seconds remain when the Pointers go ahead. However Sam Urmanski saves the day when she drills a three pointer at the buzzer and sends the game into overtime 69-69. The overtime is all Pointers as they take the lead, build it to thirteen and hold it at eleven when the game ends.
River Falls: 61 ... Brittney Georgrich double-double 17 points, 10 rebounds, Richell Mehus 14 points
Platteville: 60 ... Elizabeth Lawinger 15 points, Alyssa Krajco 14 points
River Falls sinks 23 of 32 free throws to 6 of 11 for the Pioneers and overcomes a first half deficit to win.
WARHAWKS: 57
Eau Claire: 43
Eau Claire led in the early going until Mary Merg's three-pointer captured the lead, 7-5, for the WARHAWKS with three minutes gone. The lead continued to grow to a high of twelve points, 17-5, when Amy Mandrell sunk a layup at the fifteen minute marker. Eau Claire would cut the lead to seven points before the WARHAWKS moved it back to thirteen points, 23-10. Eau Claire once again closed the gap, this time to five points, 25-20. The WARHAWKS scored the last four points of the half and it ended with the score 29-20. Eau Claire had a cold half shooting only
28% including 1 of 7 from beyond the arc while the WARHAWKS shot 48% and hit 3 o 9 three-pointers. The WARHAWKS held a 14-4 edge in points off of turnovers. The WARHAWKS lead grew to thirteen points in the first minute and half of the second half but Eau Claire made a run cutting the lead to four, 35-31, with twelve and half minutes to play. The WARHAWKS responded and over the next couple of minutes built the lead back into double digits where, with one exception, it remained for the rest of the game having reached a high of seventeen.
Mary Merg led the WARHAWKS with a game high 13 points. Megan Theune added 11 points in support. Theune had a game high 2 steals and Kaitlyn Thill's 3 assists were also a game high. Courtney Kumerow pulled down a team high 7 rebounds.
No BluGold scored in double figures. Courtney Lewis led EauClaire with 9 points. The BluGolds suffered a big loss when Sarah Bingea appeared to sprain her ankle with twenty seconds remaining in the first half and was unable to play in the second one. Shannon Riley had a game high 8 rebounds.
Other Games:
Oshkosh: 58 ... Katelyn Kuehl 23 points - 16-17 free throws, Megan Wenig 19 points
LaCrosse: 46 ... Briana Radowicz 19, Erin Levenhagen 13 rebounds
LaCrosse scores six more baskets including two additional three-pointers but the Titans hit 29 of 33 free throws.
Superior: 78 ... Sally Linzmeier double-double 21 points, 10 rebounds
Stevens Point: 89 ... Sam Barber 27 points, 9 rebounds.
Superior takes the lead in the first minute and holds it until just 27 seconds remain when the Pointers go ahead. However Sam Urmanski saves the day when she drills a three pointer at the buzzer and sends the game into overtime 69-69. The overtime is all Pointers as they take the lead, build it to thirteen and hold it at eleven when the game ends.
River Falls: 61 ... Brittney Georgrich double-double 17 points, 10 rebounds, Richell Mehus 14 points
Platteville: 60 ... Elizabeth Lawinger 15 points, Alyssa Krajco 14 points
River Falls sinks 23 of 32 free throws to 6 of 11 for the Pioneers and overcomes a first half deficit to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2013, 04:49:51 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2013, 04:49:51 PM
Player of the Year ?
Point's Sam Barber is averaging 19 points which ranks her first in scoring, 143 rebounds ranking third and 21 blocks putting her fourth. Superior's Sally Linzmeier is averaging 17.3 points which ranks her second, 136 rebounds ranking sixth, 60 assists ranking her eighth and 71 steals which is second. These two are the front runners in my opinion. If forced to chose between the two and assuming their respective positions are maintained I'd go with Barber. But, honestly, primarily because she is a senior and Linzmeier a sophomore. Though I readily admit chosing just one of them short changes the other and it wouldn't shock me to see both of them share the honor.
Also considered but not quite rising to the same level were EauClaire's Sarah Bingea, Oshkosh's Megan Wendig, LaCrosse's Briana Radowicz, River Falls' Brittney Gregorich and WHITEWATER'S Courtney Kumerow in no particular order.
Point's Sam Barber is averaging 19 points which ranks her first in scoring, 143 rebounds ranking third and 21 blocks putting her fourth. Superior's Sally Linzmeier is averaging 17.3 points which ranks her second, 136 rebounds ranking sixth, 60 assists ranking her eighth and 71 steals which is second. These two are the front runners in my opinion. If forced to chose between the two and assuming their respective positions are maintained I'd go with Barber. But, honestly, primarily because she is a senior and Linzmeier a sophomore. Though I readily admit chosing just one of them short changes the other and it wouldn't shock me to see both of them share the honor.
Also considered but not quite rising to the same level were EauClaire's Sarah Bingea, Oshkosh's Megan Wendig, LaCrosse's Briana Radowicz, River Falls' Brittney Gregorich and WHITEWATER'S Courtney Kumerow in no particular order.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2013, 10:36:43 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 29, 2013, 10:36:43 PM
I'd agree with the Barber pick for POY, but I'd pick Linzmeier as the MVP, seeings how much improved Superior is this season. But then again, picking her as MVP would perhaps slight Barber. ;) Barber, Kumerow and Wendig 1-2-3 for POY
I'd pick Bingea as the runner up for MVP, since her leadership has been important on a young UWEC squad, with Barber third..... Radowicz and Gregorich would round out my top five MVP spots...
I'd pick Bingea as the runner up for MVP, since her leadership has been important on a young UWEC squad, with Barber third..... Radowicz and Gregorich would round out my top five MVP spots...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on January 30, 2013, 08:51:40 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on January 30, 2013, 08:51:40 AM
Hard to deny Barber given both her numbers and the "eye test." Haven't seen Gregorich play but averaging a double double is pretty impressive. Bingea totally passed the "eye test" for me when I saw her but her numbers don't stack up and she only shot the ball 4 times last week against Superior. I'll get a chance to see her again tonight so we'll see if she is able to match her previous performance or if what I saw was a bit of a fluke. Hard for me to accurately assess Wenig having seen her play so often. It makes it easier for me to pick apart her flaws despite obviously being a huge asset to her team. I would be remiss if I did not mention Linzmeier. Numbers are totally there but the time I saw her play this year both she and Urmanski were way off. All that being said IMHO Barber is clearly the best player in this conference. I'll reserve judgement as to were everyone else falls until I get to see more from each of them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Hoopsguy45 on January 30, 2013, 12:23:29 PM
Post by: Hoopsguy45 on January 30, 2013, 12:23:29 PM
Barber and Linzmeier are the top two players to consider for POY in my opinion.
Barber winning would not be a crime against humanity, nor would Linzmeier. That being said I have a feeling Barber wins it this year and Linzmeier gets two more years to try and duplicate her performance. I hope she does!
Barber winning would not be a crime against humanity, nor would Linzmeier. That being said I have a feeling Barber wins it this year and Linzmeier gets two more years to try and duplicate her performance. I hope she does!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2013, 06:47:03 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2013, 06:47:03 AM
Me, too.
Selfishly--because Superior has never even been considered for discussion before--next year, I hope the debate is between Linzmeier and Nett
Selfishly--because Superior has never even been considered for discussion before--next year, I hope the debate is between Linzmeier and Nett
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 31, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
WARHAWKS: 58
LaCrosse: 56
LaCrosse opened the scoring on a three-pointer by Briana Radowicz and with the exception of four ties led for the entire first half though the lead never exceeded six points. A layup by the WARHAWKS Courtney Kumerow with 5 seconds remaining tied the game 27-27 at the half. The two teams shooting percentages were close (WW: 37%, LX: 39%) but the Eagles hit on 3 of 6 three-pointers while the WARHAWKS connected on just 1 of 5. The Eagles also held a 14-4 scoring edge in points off of turnovers. Radowicz's 16 led all scorers while Warhawk senior forward Cortney Kumerow blocked three shots in the half, making her the second women's player, and the third in all of WARHAWKS basketball history, to total 1,000 points, 500 rebounds and 100 blocked shots. The WARHAWKS grabbed their first lead when Kumerow's layup was good two minutes into the second half. The lead grew to twelve points twice over the next ten minutes. Trailing 52-40 the Eagles went on a 10-1 run and cut the deficit to three points 53-50 with just under five minutes remaining. However the WARHAWKS responded to go back up by six 57-51 on Lisa Palmer's layup with less than two minutes to play. The Eagles made one final push and with one minute to play pulled withing a point 57-56. Kaitlyn Thill's free throw made the difference a pair 58-56 when with 9 seconds left the Eagles missed a shot but went to the free throw line when fouled on the rebound. However the Eagles missed the bonus throw and turned the ball over to end the game.
Kumerow's 16 points led the WARHAWKS and her 8 rebounds tied for the game high while her 3 blocks were the game high. Kaitlyn Thill added 14 points and her 3 assists and 3 steals were game highs.
Radowicz's 22 points led the Eagles.
In other gyms:
Superior - 77 ... Kristin Nett 16
Stout - 52 ... Katelynne Folkers 11
Superior up ten at half, coasts in the second stanza.
Stevens Point - 79 ... Liz Atloff 15
Platteville - 60 ... Alyssa Krajo 16
Point up twenty at the half, playing substitutes significant minutes.
EauClaire at Oshkosh was postponed due to the weather and will be played tonight.
LaCrosse: 56
LaCrosse opened the scoring on a three-pointer by Briana Radowicz and with the exception of four ties led for the entire first half though the lead never exceeded six points. A layup by the WARHAWKS Courtney Kumerow with 5 seconds remaining tied the game 27-27 at the half. The two teams shooting percentages were close (WW: 37%, LX: 39%) but the Eagles hit on 3 of 6 three-pointers while the WARHAWKS connected on just 1 of 5. The Eagles also held a 14-4 scoring edge in points off of turnovers. Radowicz's 16 led all scorers while Warhawk senior forward Cortney Kumerow blocked three shots in the half, making her the second women's player, and the third in all of WARHAWKS basketball history, to total 1,000 points, 500 rebounds and 100 blocked shots. The WARHAWKS grabbed their first lead when Kumerow's layup was good two minutes into the second half. The lead grew to twelve points twice over the next ten minutes. Trailing 52-40 the Eagles went on a 10-1 run and cut the deficit to three points 53-50 with just under five minutes remaining. However the WARHAWKS responded to go back up by six 57-51 on Lisa Palmer's layup with less than two minutes to play. The Eagles made one final push and with one minute to play pulled withing a point 57-56. Kaitlyn Thill's free throw made the difference a pair 58-56 when with 9 seconds left the Eagles missed a shot but went to the free throw line when fouled on the rebound. However the Eagles missed the bonus throw and turned the ball over to end the game.
Kumerow's 16 points led the WARHAWKS and her 8 rebounds tied for the game high while her 3 blocks were the game high. Kaitlyn Thill added 14 points and her 3 assists and 3 steals were game highs.
Radowicz's 22 points led the Eagles.
In other gyms:
Superior - 77 ... Kristin Nett 16
Stout - 52 ... Katelynne Folkers 11
Superior up ten at half, coasts in the second stanza.
Stevens Point - 79 ... Liz Atloff 15
Platteville - 60 ... Alyssa Krajo 16
Point up twenty at the half, playing substitutes significant minutes.
EauClaire at Oshkosh was postponed due to the weather and will be played tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2013, 06:12:09 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2013, 06:12:09 PM
QuoteI'd pick Bingea as the runner up for MVP, since her leadership has been important on a young UWEC squad
A lot of the teams seem to be pretty young; not many players making it to junior or senior years, the exception being LaCrosse and Stevens Point, where about half are juniors or seniors. For the rest of the teams, juniors and seniors make up about 1/3 or 1/4.
At Superior, on-court leadership seems to be held by a senior (Urmanski) and a sophomore (Linzmeier). I think, however, the sophomore, buoyed by players who seem to like the style, models the kind of play the team is (finally) engaged in. I think the older players provide a sense of stability and maybe some calm within the storm, but it's the younger players that provide the flash. Superior has needed flash for a long time and just never had the depth to provide it--it certainly can't be done by a single player.
Last night Superior played Stout in what I considered a grudge match--we lost horribly in Menomonie--and it was interesting. My allegiance has shifted, and now it's good to see Superior be able to rotate all its able-bodied players onto the floor--beginning with more than five minutes left in the game--and still maintain a comfortable lead.
I seriously hope this lasts, because it's a good feeling I don't want to lose.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 01, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 01, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on January 31, 2013, 06:12:09 PMQuoteI'd pick Bingea as the runner up for MVP, since her leadership has been important on a young UWEC squad
A lot of the teams seem to be pretty young; not many players making it to junior or senior years, the exception being LaCrosse and Stevens Point, where about half are juniors or seniors. For the rest of the teams, juniors and seniors make up about 1/3 or 1/4.
At Superior, on-court leadership seems to be held by a senior (Urmanski) and a sophomore (Linzmeier). I think, however, the sophomore, buoyed by players who seem to like the style, models the kind of play the team is (finally) engaged in. I think the older players provide a sense of stability and maybe some calm within the storm, but it's the younger players that provide the flash. Superior has needed flash for a long time and just never had the depth to provide it--it certainly can't be done by a single player.
Last night Superior played Stout in what I considered a grudge match--we lost horribly in Menomonie--and it was interesting. My allegiance has shifted, and now it's good to see Superior be able to rotate all its able-bodied players onto the floor--beginning with more than five minutes left in the game--and still maintain a comfortable lead.
I seriously hope this lasts, because it's a good feeling I don't want to lose.
Surely you jest, or simply typed the wrong team. Of the 15 players on UWL's roster only 4 are upperclassmen. Yes their best players are both Seniors but they have 9 freshmen. Look out for the Eagles in 3 years if Coach Heeren is able to keep them around.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
QuoteSurely you jestHa! No kidding. I wonder which team I looked at and counted something like 13 of 24? Jest, no. Erred, yes. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2013, 02:45:46 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2013, 02:45:46 PM
Whitewater. Good lord. Not even the same end of the alphabet. A wealth of juniors/seniors
I couldn't find a River Falls roster. I've always found the RF athletics site to be difficult to navigate, so the roster could very well be there but not nearly as obvious as someone--like me, apparently--needs.
I couldn't find a River Falls roster. I've always found the RF athletics site to be difficult to navigate, so the roster could very well be there but not nearly as obvious as someone--like me, apparently--needs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 01, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 01, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
Really?
Click the sport, click the Roster link on the menu?
http://www.uwrfsports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
Click the sport, click the Roster link on the menu?
http://www.uwrfsports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Quote from: phoenix_rising on February 01, 2013, 02:45:46 PM
Whitewater. Good lord. Not even the same end of the alphabet. A wealth of juniors/seniors
I couldn't find a River Falls roster. I've always found the RF athletics site to be difficult to navigate, so the roster could very well be there but not nearly as obvious as someone--like me, apparently--needs.
We lose size next year when Kumerow graduates. But we'll return most of our back court players. Hopefully one or more of our bigs will take a step forward next year or we can recruit a big that can contribute something as a freshman. One player I think is going to develop into a really good player by the time she graduates is Lisa Palmer. She has some size and plays aggressively rebounding and in the paint.
At this point in time I like the team we'll be putting on the floor next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on February 02, 2013, 12:53:03 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 02, 2013, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 01, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
Really?
Click the sport, click the Roster link on the menu?
http://www.uwrfsports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
Your link works great, but I have the same problem as the OP. If I pick the sport as you suggest, when I get to the WBB page there IS no menu showing so there's nowhere to click for roster, stats, and so forth. I have no doubt it's there somewhere, but it appears that the site is not compatible with some browsers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 02, 2013, 12:53:03 PMQuote from: Just Bill on February 01, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
Really?
Click the sport, click the Roster link on the menu?
http://www.uwrfsports.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&
Your link works great, but I have the same problem as the OP. If I pick the sport as you suggest, when I get to the WBB page there IS no menu showing so there's nowhere to click for roster, stats, and so forth. I have no doubt it's there somewhere, but it appears that the site is not compatible with some browsers.
The menu is in the right hand column. You might have to scroll down just a bit. It's underneath the "Falcon Center Concept" graphic.
I grant you not having it closer to the top of the page isn't very good web design.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 02, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 02, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
In a battle of 2nd and 3rd place teams in the WIAC.
UW-Superior 66
UW-Oshkosh 58
UW-Oshkosh jumped out to a 26-9 lead early in the first half but UW-Superior whittled away at the lead and was only down 26-21 at the half. In the second half the Yellowjackets caught fire shooting 68% from the field while limiting the Titans to 37% in the second half. Connie Urmanski led four Yellowjackets starters with a game high 18 points. Katie Kitzke led the Titans with 17 points. With the win UW-Superior pull into a tie with Oshkosh at 10-3 in conference a half game out of first.
UW-Superior 66
UW-Oshkosh 58
UW-Oshkosh jumped out to a 26-9 lead early in the first half but UW-Superior whittled away at the lead and was only down 26-21 at the half. In the second half the Yellowjackets caught fire shooting 68% from the field while limiting the Titans to 37% in the second half. Connie Urmanski led four Yellowjackets starters with a game high 18 points. Katie Kitzke led the Titans with 17 points. With the win UW-Superior pull into a tie with Oshkosh at 10-3 in conference a half game out of first.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 02, 2013, 09:57:57 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 02, 2013, 09:57:57 PM
I guess Nett won't be in any MVP or POY battle next year, since she graduates this year--at least her years of eligibility are up. Sophomore standing in basketball doesn't mean squat if you're a senior, academically and eligibility-wise. I should pay deeper attention
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 07, 2013, 09:36:53 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 07, 2013, 09:36:53 AM
What a game yesterday at Kolf, and not just because a bus delay allowed me to actually eat some dinner before a Titan game. Point jumps out to a 7 point lead and gets a buzzer beater after :0.2 turned into :1.0 which turned into :0.8 and Barber beat the clock on a pretty well-designed inbounds play. But Oshkosh did what they do best and made the halftime adjustments to knot the game up very quickly in the 2nd. Back and forth for the last 7 minutes or so when Stecker and Tyler trade tough shots to set up the ending, and Wenig finds Kitzke for a deep three with :3.5 left and Point can't get a chance up before the backboard started to glow. Point did a great job to limit Kuehl in the game, but UWO's gameball has to go to Brittany Mirsberger, averaging about 3 minutes a game, comes in for 8 points and 6 rebounds (5 offensive) in 12 minutes. Few had to see that coming.
And Barber is the POY without much competition. Tough to guard and stole away many a rebound last night. No doubt that's a DII kid out there on a DIII court. Definitely don't want to run into her again.
And Barber is the POY without much competition. Tough to guard and stole away many a rebound last night. No doubt that's a DII kid out there on a DIII court. Definitely don't want to run into her again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 07, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
Post by: cubs on February 07, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 07, 2013, 09:36:53 AMNice to see that "coaching trait" being used again after it seemed to be missing the past six seasons!!!!
What a game yesterday at Kolf, and not just because a bus delay allowed me to actually eat some dinner before a Titan game. Point jumps out to a 7 point lead and gets a buzzer beater after :0.2 turned into :1.0 which turned into :0.8 and Barber beat the clock on a pretty well-designed inbounds play. But Oshkosh did what they do best and made the halftime adjustments to knot the game up very quickly in the 2nd. Back and forth for the last 7 minutes or so when Stecker and Tyler trade tough shots to set up the ending, and Wenig finds Kitzke for a deep three with :3.5 left and Point can't get a chance up before the backboard started to glow. Point did a great job to limit Kuehl in the game, but UWO's gameball has to go to Brittany Mirsberger, averaging about 3 minutes a game, comes in for 8 points and 6 rebounds (5 offensive) in 12 minutes. Few had to see that coming.
And Barber is the POY without much competition. Tough to guard and stole away many a rebound last night. No doubt that's a DII kid out there on a DIII court. Definitely don't want to run into her again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2013, 12:09:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 07, 2013, 12:09:23 PM
WARHAWKS: 81
Platteville: 62
Platteville opened the scoring and took their only lead of the game when Elizabeth Lawinger scored however Lawinger's turnover on the next Pioneer possession resulted in Kaitlyn Thill's three-pointer to put the WARHAWKS on the board and in the lead for the remainder of the game. Platteville stayed within single digits for the next six minutes or so until the WARHAWKS Katie Burton hit a jumper creating the first double digit lead of the game, 21-11. Platteville cut into the lead reducing it to a low of five points twice. The last time being the end of the half when Rachel Cropp scored on a layup making the score 36-31 WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS shot an even 50% in the first half to 45% for the Pioneers with each team hitting on three three-point attempts. The WARHAWKS went 5-6 from the free throw line while the Pioneers missed their only attempt. Eleven Pioneer turnovers in the half were converted to an 14-3 scoring advantage for the WARHAWKS. Thill led all scorers with 16 points. The Pioneers were able to pull within two points, 38-36, early in the second half but the WARHAWKS maintained a single digit lead for the first six minutes before Thill's jumper gave the WARHAWKS double digit lead, 48-38, that they would hold for the remainder of the game. The lead reached a high of twenty two points, 78-56, when Sam Quandt scored with less than three minutes to play.
The WARHAWKS outscored the Pioneers 27-8 off of turnovers , 36-19 off the bench and 20-6 from the free throw line. Thill's game high 26 points came from shooting 9-11 (3-5 three pointers) from the floor and 5-6 free throws. Katie Burton added 11 points and Mary Merg 10 points. Courtney Kumerow finished with a game high 10 rebounds and Quandt's 4 steals were a game high.
Claire Poad led the Pioneers with 15 points while Alyssa Krajco added 12 points. Rachael Cropps 3 assists were a game high.
Other games:
River Falls: 53 ... Brittany Gregorich 15, Jessie VanWyhe 15
Superior: 48 ... Sally Linzmeier 15
River Falls scores first and holds a lead for just under 30 minutes before Superior takes their first lead and the two teams either tie or trade the lead 13 times in the next nine minutes before the Falcons take and hold it to the buzzer.
Stout: 69 ... Brea Boomer 14
LaCrosse: 57 ... Erin Levenhagen 18
Visiting LaCrosse leads for the game's first 10 minutes but Stout dominates the boards 43-30 and pulls away.
Oshkosh: 56 ... Katie Kitzke 14
Stevens Point: 53 ... Sam Barber 24 points / 14 rebounds
Point leads by nine at the half and for the first four minutes of the second half. After the two teams tie and exchange the lead several times Oshkosh takes control over the game's final four minutes and after being tied twice holds on and hits a huge three-pointer in the final seconds.
Platteville: 62
Platteville opened the scoring and took their only lead of the game when Elizabeth Lawinger scored however Lawinger's turnover on the next Pioneer possession resulted in Kaitlyn Thill's three-pointer to put the WARHAWKS on the board and in the lead for the remainder of the game. Platteville stayed within single digits for the next six minutes or so until the WARHAWKS Katie Burton hit a jumper creating the first double digit lead of the game, 21-11. Platteville cut into the lead reducing it to a low of five points twice. The last time being the end of the half when Rachel Cropp scored on a layup making the score 36-31 WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS shot an even 50% in the first half to 45% for the Pioneers with each team hitting on three three-point attempts. The WARHAWKS went 5-6 from the free throw line while the Pioneers missed their only attempt. Eleven Pioneer turnovers in the half were converted to an 14-3 scoring advantage for the WARHAWKS. Thill led all scorers with 16 points. The Pioneers were able to pull within two points, 38-36, early in the second half but the WARHAWKS maintained a single digit lead for the first six minutes before Thill's jumper gave the WARHAWKS double digit lead, 48-38, that they would hold for the remainder of the game. The lead reached a high of twenty two points, 78-56, when Sam Quandt scored with less than three minutes to play.
The WARHAWKS outscored the Pioneers 27-8 off of turnovers , 36-19 off the bench and 20-6 from the free throw line. Thill's game high 26 points came from shooting 9-11 (3-5 three pointers) from the floor and 5-6 free throws. Katie Burton added 11 points and Mary Merg 10 points. Courtney Kumerow finished with a game high 10 rebounds and Quandt's 4 steals were a game high.
Claire Poad led the Pioneers with 15 points while Alyssa Krajco added 12 points. Rachael Cropps 3 assists were a game high.
Other games:
River Falls: 53 ... Brittany Gregorich 15, Jessie VanWyhe 15
Superior: 48 ... Sally Linzmeier 15
River Falls scores first and holds a lead for just under 30 minutes before Superior takes their first lead and the two teams either tie or trade the lead 13 times in the next nine minutes before the Falcons take and hold it to the buzzer.
Stout: 69 ... Brea Boomer 14
LaCrosse: 57 ... Erin Levenhagen 18
Visiting LaCrosse leads for the game's first 10 minutes but Stout dominates the boards 43-30 and pulls away.
Oshkosh: 56 ... Katie Kitzke 14
Stevens Point: 53 ... Sam Barber 24 points / 14 rebounds
Point leads by nine at the half and for the first four minutes of the second half. After the two teams tie and exchange the lead several times Oshkosh takes control over the game's final four minutes and after being tied twice holds on and hits a huge three-pointer in the final seconds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 07, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 07, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 07, 2013, 09:36:53 AM
What a game yesterday at Kolf, and not just because a bus delay allowed me to actually eat some dinner before a Titan game. Point jumps out to a 7 point lead and gets a buzzer beater after :0.2 turned into :1.0 which turned into :0.8 and Barber beat the clock on a pretty well-designed inbounds play. But Oshkosh did what they do best and made the halftime adjustments to knot the game up very quickly in the 2nd. Back and forth for the last 7 minutes or so when Stecker and Tyler trade tough shots to set up the ending, and Wenig finds Kitzke for a deep three with :3.5 left and Point can't get a chance up before the backboard started to glow. Point did a great job to limit Kuehl in the game, but UWO's gameball has to go to Brittany Mirsberger, averaging about 3 minutes a game, comes in for 8 points and 6 rebounds (5 offensive) in 12 minutes. Few had to see that coming.
And Barber is the POY without much competition. Tough to guard and stole away many a rebound last night. No doubt that's a DII kid out there on a DIII court. Definitely don't want to run into her again.
It really was a fantastic game. First win for the UWO women over UWSP since 1/23/2008
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
WARHAWKS: 82
Superior: 66
The WARHAWKS scored the game's first six points on a pair of baskets from Courtney Kumerow and a pair of free throws from Mary Merg. Connie Urmanski's pair of free throws got the Yellow Jackets on the board. The WARHAWKS maintained a lead which never exceeded six and shrank to one on four occasions before the Yellow Jackets Sally Linzmeier hit a jumper at the nine and half minute mark and gave them their only lead of the game 19-18. Kumerow answered with a pair of free throws recapturing the lead for the WARHAWKS. The lead reached double figures 38-28 when Mary Merg sank a three-pointer with just under two minutes left in the half however the Yellow Jackets Kristin Nett would score the half's final basket cutting the deficit to eight, 38-30. The WARHAWKS only scored 8 baskets in the half on 29% shooting. Free throws were the difference in the half as the WARHAWKS made 20 of 23 attempts to Superior's 8-13. Despite scoring only two baskets Kumerow led all scorers with 20 points going 16-16 from the free throw line. The WARHAWKS quickly put the lead back into double figures scoring the first points of the second half and it remained in double digits to the thirteen minute mark when the Yellow Jackets cut it to seven 48-41 on Allyssa Lindberg's old fashioned three-point play. Lisa Palmer's free throw a minute later put the WARHAWKS lead back to double figures and it remained there reaching a high of 18 points for the remainder of the game.
Neither team shot that well in the game each finishing at 37%. The WARHAWKS finished with more baskets 22-20 which included a 6 to 2 advantage from beyond the arc and had a 32-39 to 24-33 free throw advantage.
Kumerow led all scorers with 29 points finishing a perfect 19-19 from the free throw line. Kumerow also grabbed a game high 17 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill added 15 points while Merg 12 points and 5 assists. Palmer also pulled down double figure rebounds with 10. Abbie Reeves and Sam Quandt combined for 15 points leading the WARHAWKS bench to 21-11 scoring advantage.
Linzmeier led the Yellow Jackets with 21 points while Urmanski added 11.
The win clinches a first round bye and sets the stage for the showdown with Oshkosh Wednesday night.
Elsewhere:
River Falls: 64 ... Jessie Van Wyhe 17
Oshkosh: 66 ... Katie Kitzke 22
River Falls scores more baskets but the Titans make an extra three-pointer and 11 more free throws to make the difference.
Eau Claire: 81 ... Cady Roedl 18
Stout: 70 ... Brea Boomer 16
Eau Claire lead 35-23 at the half. Stout cuts it to eight early and nine twice but can get no closer.
LaCrosse: 73 ... Briana Radowicz 32
Platteville: 63 ... Claire Poad 11
LaCrosse 10-26 from beyond the arc, Platteville 3-18
Superior: 66
The WARHAWKS scored the game's first six points on a pair of baskets from Courtney Kumerow and a pair of free throws from Mary Merg. Connie Urmanski's pair of free throws got the Yellow Jackets on the board. The WARHAWKS maintained a lead which never exceeded six and shrank to one on four occasions before the Yellow Jackets Sally Linzmeier hit a jumper at the nine and half minute mark and gave them their only lead of the game 19-18. Kumerow answered with a pair of free throws recapturing the lead for the WARHAWKS. The lead reached double figures 38-28 when Mary Merg sank a three-pointer with just under two minutes left in the half however the Yellow Jackets Kristin Nett would score the half's final basket cutting the deficit to eight, 38-30. The WARHAWKS only scored 8 baskets in the half on 29% shooting. Free throws were the difference in the half as the WARHAWKS made 20 of 23 attempts to Superior's 8-13. Despite scoring only two baskets Kumerow led all scorers with 20 points going 16-16 from the free throw line. The WARHAWKS quickly put the lead back into double figures scoring the first points of the second half and it remained in double digits to the thirteen minute mark when the Yellow Jackets cut it to seven 48-41 on Allyssa Lindberg's old fashioned three-point play. Lisa Palmer's free throw a minute later put the WARHAWKS lead back to double figures and it remained there reaching a high of 18 points for the remainder of the game.
Neither team shot that well in the game each finishing at 37%. The WARHAWKS finished with more baskets 22-20 which included a 6 to 2 advantage from beyond the arc and had a 32-39 to 24-33 free throw advantage.
Kumerow led all scorers with 29 points finishing a perfect 19-19 from the free throw line. Kumerow also grabbed a game high 17 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill added 15 points while Merg 12 points and 5 assists. Palmer also pulled down double figure rebounds with 10. Abbie Reeves and Sam Quandt combined for 15 points leading the WARHAWKS bench to 21-11 scoring advantage.
Linzmeier led the Yellow Jackets with 21 points while Urmanski added 11.
The win clinches a first round bye and sets the stage for the showdown with Oshkosh Wednesday night.
Elsewhere:
River Falls: 64 ... Jessie Van Wyhe 17
Oshkosh: 66 ... Katie Kitzke 22
River Falls scores more baskets but the Titans make an extra three-pointer and 11 more free throws to make the difference.
Eau Claire: 81 ... Cady Roedl 18
Stout: 70 ... Brea Boomer 16
Eau Claire lead 35-23 at the half. Stout cuts it to eight early and nine twice but can get no closer.
LaCrosse: 73 ... Briana Radowicz 32
Platteville: 63 ... Claire Poad 11
LaCrosse 10-26 from beyond the arc, Platteville 3-18
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
WARHAWKS: 58
Oshkosh: 49
I just lost a post I spent a bunch of time typing so this will be short.
The Titans scored the game's first four points but the WARHAWKS responded with an 8-0 and with the exception of one tie held a lead which never exceeded six points until Megan Wenig's consecutive three-pointers regained the lead for the Titans who finished the half on a 10-0 run for a 26-21 halftime lead. The second half was crazy. The two teams tied seven times and exchanged the lead eleven times. With Oshkosh leading 49-48 and a shade under two minutes remaining Courtney Kumerow sank a layup to put the WARHAWKS on top and another Kumerow basket and 5-5 from the free throw line preserved the win.
Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 15 points and rounded out a double-double with a game high 10 rebounds. Abbie Reeves came off the bench to score 11 points.
Wenig led the Titans with a game high 17 points. Katie Kitzke added 11.
The game was won at the free line as the WARHAWKS sank 21 of 23 attempts to 10 of 12 for Oshkosh.
Oshkosh: 49
I just lost a post I spent a bunch of time typing so this will be short.
The Titans scored the game's first four points but the WARHAWKS responded with an 8-0 and with the exception of one tie held a lead which never exceeded six points until Megan Wenig's consecutive three-pointers regained the lead for the Titans who finished the half on a 10-0 run for a 26-21 halftime lead. The second half was crazy. The two teams tied seven times and exchanged the lead eleven times. With Oshkosh leading 49-48 and a shade under two minutes remaining Courtney Kumerow sank a layup to put the WARHAWKS on top and another Kumerow basket and 5-5 from the free throw line preserved the win.
Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 15 points and rounded out a double-double with a game high 10 rebounds. Abbie Reeves came off the bench to score 11 points.
Wenig led the Titans with a game high 17 points. Katie Kitzke added 11.
The game was won at the free line as the WARHAWKS sank 21 of 23 attempts to 10 of 12 for Oshkosh.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 14, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 14, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
Congrats to the 'Hawks on the conference championship!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 14, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 14, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
WARHAWKS: 58
Oshkosh: 49
I just lost a post I spent a bunch of time typing so this will be short.
The Titans scored the game's first four points but the WARHAWKS responded with an 8-0 and with the exception of one tie held a lead which never exceeded six points until Megan Wenig's consecutive three-pointers regained the lead for the Titans who finished the half on a 10-0 run for a 26-21 halftime lead. The second half was crazy. The two teams tied seven times and exchanged the lead eleven times. With Oshkosh leading 49-48 and a shade under two minutes remaining Courtney Kumerow sank a layup to put the WARHAWKS on top and another Kumerow basket and 5-5 from the free throw line preserved the win.
Kumerow led the WARHAWKS with 15 points and rounded out a double-double with a game high 10 rebounds. Abbie Reeves came off the bench to score 11 points.
Wenig led the Titans with a game high 17 points. Katie Kitzke added 11.
The game was won at the free line as the WARHAWKS sank 21 of 23 attempts to 10 of 12 for Oshkosh.
Heard it was quite the atmosphere last night. Hopefully these two can go at it one more time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2013, 08:32:23 PM
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2013, 08:32:23 PM
Look for RF to make a run in the WIAC Tounament. They have been getting better and better. EC will bow out superfast. Unfortunately EC didn't start playing all 3 seniors until the last few games. EC is much improved because the 3 seniors are playing. Leadership next year will go to Courtney Lewis. She appears ready for it. I like WW to win the WIAC Tourney but never rule Shirley and the pointers out. I also have a feeling about RF.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 17, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 17, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
WARHAWKS: 66
River Falls: 60
The WARHAWKS opened the scoring when Sam Newhouse drove the lane and scored. River Falls quickly answered with a basket to create the first, of what would be seven ties in half. The WARHAWKS regained the lead on Steff Glynn's layup but held it for only a minute and half when River Falls went ahead 10-8 with fifteen and half minutes remaining in the half. Though they were tied on numerous occasions the WARHAWKS could not regain a lead as the Falcons held the advantage until Amy Mandrell's jumper with a minute to play made the halftime score 30-29. As the score suggests statistically the two teams lines read very similar. The WARHAWKS scored on twelve baskets including a three-pointer while the Falcons hit on ten without a three-pointer. The Falcons held a 9-5 advantage from the free throw line. The WARHAWKS scored the first basket of the second half but the Falcons answered and the two teams tied twice in the first couple minutes. At that point the Falcons took control and held a lead, which reached a high of nine points at twelve minutes, until Mandrell made a layup to tie the game and Sam Quandt's layup put the WARHAWKS up 56-54 with less than seven minutes remaining. River Falls would pull to within a point 58-57 with just under five minutes but were unable to get any closer.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 40%. River Falls shot 44%. The WARHAWKS out rebounded the Falcons 38-31 however it was the 19-7 advantage on the offensive end that led to a 20-4 advantage in second chance points.
Courtney Kumerow and Kaitlyn Thill each scored 12 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Mandrell added a season high 10 points. Lisa Palmer's 7 rebounds were a team high and Thill's 5 assists were a game high.
Brittany Gregorich led all scorers with 13 points and rounded out a double-double with a game high 12 rebounds.
Otherwise:
Oshkosh: 55 ... Megan Wenig 18
Stout: 40 ... Sami Schoeder 12
Titans up 33-19 at the half.
Eau Claire: 55 ... Courtney Lewis 11
Stevens Point: 66 ... Sam Barber 18
BluGolds hold a single point lead at the half but Point scores first in the second half and builds a 17 point lead.
LaCrosse: 60 ... T. VanDusseldorp 21
Superior: 55 ... Sally Linzmeier 19
LaCrosse up 13 at the half, YellowJackets drop third in a row.
River Falls: 60
The WARHAWKS opened the scoring when Sam Newhouse drove the lane and scored. River Falls quickly answered with a basket to create the first, of what would be seven ties in half. The WARHAWKS regained the lead on Steff Glynn's layup but held it for only a minute and half when River Falls went ahead 10-8 with fifteen and half minutes remaining in the half. Though they were tied on numerous occasions the WARHAWKS could not regain a lead as the Falcons held the advantage until Amy Mandrell's jumper with a minute to play made the halftime score 30-29. As the score suggests statistically the two teams lines read very similar. The WARHAWKS scored on twelve baskets including a three-pointer while the Falcons hit on ten without a three-pointer. The Falcons held a 9-5 advantage from the free throw line. The WARHAWKS scored the first basket of the second half but the Falcons answered and the two teams tied twice in the first couple minutes. At that point the Falcons took control and held a lead, which reached a high of nine points at twelve minutes, until Mandrell made a layup to tie the game and Sam Quandt's layup put the WARHAWKS up 56-54 with less than seven minutes remaining. River Falls would pull to within a point 58-57 with just under five minutes but were unable to get any closer.
The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 40%. River Falls shot 44%. The WARHAWKS out rebounded the Falcons 38-31 however it was the 19-7 advantage on the offensive end that led to a 20-4 advantage in second chance points.
Courtney Kumerow and Kaitlyn Thill each scored 12 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Mandrell added a season high 10 points. Lisa Palmer's 7 rebounds were a team high and Thill's 5 assists were a game high.
Brittany Gregorich led all scorers with 13 points and rounded out a double-double with a game high 12 rebounds.
Otherwise:
Oshkosh: 55 ... Megan Wenig 18
Stout: 40 ... Sami Schoeder 12
Titans up 33-19 at the half.
Eau Claire: 55 ... Courtney Lewis 11
Stevens Point: 66 ... Sam Barber 18
BluGolds hold a single point lead at the half but Point scores first in the second half and builds a 17 point lead.
LaCrosse: 60 ... T. VanDusseldorp 21
Superior: 55 ... Sally Linzmeier 19
LaCrosse up 13 at the half, YellowJackets drop third in a row.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 18, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 18, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Anyone else think its bogus that UWO is still not in the top 25 despite being the 2 seed in the conference tournament? I get they have 5 losses but it really seems they should be up there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 18, 2013, 09:16:19 PM
Post by: cubs on February 18, 2013, 09:16:19 PM
I believe I saw something on the "scroll" on the news this weekend that Oshkosh set a WIAC record going from one WIAC win in 2011-12 to twelve WIAC wins in 2012-13. Impressive to say the least!!! That type of turn-around is usually saved for the NFL...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: thrunt01 on February 18, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Anyone else think its bogus that UWO is still not in the top 25 despite being the 2 seed in the conference tournament? I get they have 5 losses but it really seems they should be up there.
Thrunt -- the two aren't related. Our voters don't really care who won the tiebreaker in the WIAC standings because a national ranking is based on every game, not just the conference games.
That also includes Stevens Point's win against Calvin. Only two teams have beaten Calvin this year. Oshkosh doesn't have that kind of non-conference win on its schedule.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 18, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 18, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2013, 09:29:00 PMQuote from: thrunt01 on February 18, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Anyone else think its bogus that UWO is still not in the top 25 despite being the 2 seed in the conference tournament? I get they have 5 losses but it really seems they should be up there.
Thrunt -- the two aren't related. Our voters don't really care who won the tiebreaker in the WIAC standings because a national ranking is based on every game, not just the conference games.
That also includes Stevens Point's win against Calvin. Only two teams have beaten Calvin this year. Oshkosh doesn't have that kind of non-conference win on its schedule.
I get that. In fact I think that Calvin win is carrying the day for Point. For me, at this point of the season Non-Con games are a distant memory and if I were voting I would weigh recent games far more heavily than games played in November and December. Obviously the voters have a different view and they are entitled to it. The nice thing is that we'll probably get to see round III on Friday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2013, 10:32:24 PM
This is true -- if UW-Stevens Point were not playing up to that standard, then nobody would care about their win against Calvin. But the voters recognize that being tied for second in the WIAC is a very, very strong position. I would say UW-SP is not contradicting that November game on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 18, 2013, 10:38:52 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 18, 2013, 10:38:52 PM
UWSP also gave defending national champion IWU its worst loss of the season. As the season has gone on, that has been tarnished somewhat (IWU now has 7 losses, and long ago stopped receiving any Top 25 votes), but IWU DID beat UWW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: GBMAN on February 20, 2013, 09:58:47 PM
Post by: GBMAN on February 20, 2013, 09:58:47 PM
UW-Superior 63 V UW-River Falls 46 <final>
UW-Stevens Point (#3) 67, UW-Eau Claire (#6) 57 <final>
UW-Stevens Point (#3) 67, UW-Eau Claire (#6) 57 <final>
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 21, 2013, 09:02:22 AM
Post by: 02 Warhawk on February 21, 2013, 09:02:22 AM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2013, 09:45:01 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 21, 2013, 09:45:01 AM
Congrats to EC's Sarah Bingea....http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2013/2/20/WBB_0220131740.aspx
Stevens Point @ Oshkosh
Superior @ WHITEWATER
Stevens Point @ Oshkosh
Superior @ WHITEWATER
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: GBMAN on February 21, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Post by: GBMAN on February 21, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on February 21, 2013, 09:02:22 AM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 21, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 21, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: GBMAN on February 21, 2013, 10:23:39 AMQuote from: 02 Warhawk on February 21, 2013, 09:02:22 AM
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At least it is a game against Point. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2013, 01:33:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2013, 01:33:12 PM
Way cool
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2013, 07:47:19 PM
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2013, 07:47:19 PM
I was wrong about RF in the tournament so I might as well go ahead and be wrong again, Sup over WW because they want the game really bad (I know WW wants it too). SP by 10 over OSH.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on February 23, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on February 23, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
So what do folks think about UWO's pool C chances after last night's loss to UWSP. BTW this will be the 4th straight year UWW and UWSP have played for the WIAC championship. UWSP has won all the meetings and has won 5 straight tourney titles.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
WARHAWKS: 80
Superior: 71
The first half was insane. The WARHAWKS captured the lead eight times and the Yellow Jackets seven times. In addition to that the two teams were tied eight times. Kristin Nett opened the scoring for the Yellow Jackets with a three-pointer which was immediately matched by the WARHAWKS Kaitlyn Thill. Mary Merg's layup gave the WARHAWKS their first lead but the Yellow Jackets answered with a pair of free throws and a basket. The Yellow Jackets built their lead to four points 9-5 but once again the WARHAWKS rallied back and Sam Quandts jumper created another tie 9-9. Sally Linzmeier put the Yellow Jackets back in the lead with one of two free throws but the lead changed again when Lisa Palmer's layup was good. Over the next eleven minutes the two teams tied five times and the lead changed hands six times. During that span the WARHAWKS largest lead was just four points and the Yellow Jackets largest lead was three. With the two teams tied at 28 points apiece and two and half minutes remaining in the half the WARHAWKS began a run that would ultimately decide the game. Mary Merg's layup would give the WARHAWKS a lead which they would extend to five points, 35-30, by the end of the half. Over the first three minutes of the second half the WARHAWKS picked up where they had left off scoring the first nine points extending the lead to fourteen 44-30. The lead would remain in double figures, reaching a high of sixteen 64-48 with six and half minutes remaining in the game. The Yellow Jackets would reduce it to a low of seven 75-68 with less than a minute remaining but could get no closer.
Superior finished the game shooting 45% from the floor to 43% for the WARHAWKS. Each team hit on 26 shots but the Yellow Jackets nailed 7 of 12 three-pointers to just 4 of 15 for the home team. The game was essentially decided from the free throw line where the WARHAWKS went 24-32 and the Yellow Jackets were 12-15. Out rebounding the Yellow Jackets by a 43-31 including a 20-12 on the offensive end gave the WARHAWKS a 21-14 advantage on second chances and a 14 to 20 advantage in turnovers led to a 21-10 WARHAWKS edge in points off of them.
Courtney Kumerow's 18 points led four WARHAWKS in double figures. Lisa Palmer's 14 points were a season high. Mary Merg's added 12 points and Kaitlyn Thill finished with 11. Kumerow's 9 rebounds led the team and Palmer added 7 boards. Thill's 7 assists were a game high.
Connie Urmanski led the Yellow Jackets with a game high 19 points (4-5 3pts) all which were scored in the second half. Kristin Nett added 16 (3-5 3pt) and Carmen Watson scored 11 points. Sally Linzmeier led the Yellow Jackets with 9 rebounds and 4 assists.
Superior: 71
The first half was insane. The WARHAWKS captured the lead eight times and the Yellow Jackets seven times. In addition to that the two teams were tied eight times. Kristin Nett opened the scoring for the Yellow Jackets with a three-pointer which was immediately matched by the WARHAWKS Kaitlyn Thill. Mary Merg's layup gave the WARHAWKS their first lead but the Yellow Jackets answered with a pair of free throws and a basket. The Yellow Jackets built their lead to four points 9-5 but once again the WARHAWKS rallied back and Sam Quandts jumper created another tie 9-9. Sally Linzmeier put the Yellow Jackets back in the lead with one of two free throws but the lead changed again when Lisa Palmer's layup was good. Over the next eleven minutes the two teams tied five times and the lead changed hands six times. During that span the WARHAWKS largest lead was just four points and the Yellow Jackets largest lead was three. With the two teams tied at 28 points apiece and two and half minutes remaining in the half the WARHAWKS began a run that would ultimately decide the game. Mary Merg's layup would give the WARHAWKS a lead which they would extend to five points, 35-30, by the end of the half. Over the first three minutes of the second half the WARHAWKS picked up where they had left off scoring the first nine points extending the lead to fourteen 44-30. The lead would remain in double figures, reaching a high of sixteen 64-48 with six and half minutes remaining in the game. The Yellow Jackets would reduce it to a low of seven 75-68 with less than a minute remaining but could get no closer.
Superior finished the game shooting 45% from the floor to 43% for the WARHAWKS. Each team hit on 26 shots but the Yellow Jackets nailed 7 of 12 three-pointers to just 4 of 15 for the home team. The game was essentially decided from the free throw line where the WARHAWKS went 24-32 and the Yellow Jackets were 12-15. Out rebounding the Yellow Jackets by a 43-31 including a 20-12 on the offensive end gave the WARHAWKS a 21-14 advantage on second chances and a 14 to 20 advantage in turnovers led to a 21-10 WARHAWKS edge in points off of them.
Courtney Kumerow's 18 points led four WARHAWKS in double figures. Lisa Palmer's 14 points were a season high. Mary Merg's added 12 points and Kaitlyn Thill finished with 11. Kumerow's 9 rebounds led the team and Palmer added 7 boards. Thill's 7 assists were a game high.
Connie Urmanski led the Yellow Jackets with a game high 19 points (4-5 3pts) all which were scored in the second half. Kristin Nett added 16 (3-5 3pt) and Carmen Watson scored 11 points. Sally Linzmeier led the Yellow Jackets with 9 rebounds and 4 assists.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2013, 01:11:22 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2013, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: thrunt01 on February 23, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
So what do folks think about UWO's pool C chances after last night's loss to UWSP. BTW this will be the 4th straight year UWW and UWSP have played for the WIAC championship. UWSP has won all the meetings and has won 5 straight tourney titles.
Don't see a scenario that they get in, unfortunately. Gone are the days of 3 WIAC bids being a norm.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
#21 UW-Stevens Point 38
#20 UW-Whitewater 32
Halftime
Shooting
UW-Stevens Point: 16/37 (43%)
UW-Whitewater: 11/26 (42%)
Three Pointers
UW-Stevens Point: 5/10 (50%)
UW-Whitewater: 2/4 (50%)
Free Throws
UW-Stevens Point: 1/2 (50%)
UW-Whitewater: 8/9 (89%)
#20 UW-Whitewater 32
Halftime
Shooting
UW-Stevens Point: 16/37 (43%)
UW-Whitewater: 11/26 (42%)
Three Pointers
UW-Stevens Point: 5/10 (50%)
UW-Whitewater: 2/4 (50%)
Free Throws
UW-Stevens Point: 1/2 (50%)
UW-Whitewater: 8/9 (89%)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2013, 05:01:36 PM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2013, 05:01:36 PM
#21 UW-Stevens Point 74
#20 UW-Whitewater 71
Final-OT
#20 UW-Whitewater 71
Final-OT
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
It was 76-71 >:(
We had our chances but just didn't get it done. A miracle three-pointer from Merg got us into overtime and we had an open look to tie again at the end but the three-pointer grazed off the far side of the hoop and Point rebounded and to their credit made their free throws.
Barber was incredible. There were stretches where she simply took over and was unstoppable. She's one player I'm going to be glad to see graduate.
We had our chances but just didn't get it done. A miracle three-pointer from Merg got us into overtime and we had an open look to tie again at the end but the three-pointer grazed off the far side of the hoop and Point rebounded and to their credit made their free throws.
Barber was incredible. There were stretches where she simply took over and was unstoppable. She's one player I'm going to be glad to see graduate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
Think we're talking only SP and WW in the NCAA. I think SP is just coming on and could get to the Sweet16. Simpson and Cornell - fantastic records - I just don't think they will hold up against the WIAC - earlier in the season, yes but not now. I like the "still tough but kinder and gentler" WW team. May also see them also get to the sweet 16 if they don't play SP again. A fourth match up would be very, very interesting. Here's hoping Sam B's. big game today gets here to all-american status. I expect EC to be back in the NCAA hunt next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2013, 09:41:02 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2013, 09:41:02 AM
For what it's worth, D3Hoops projection puts Oshkosh in the field as well as UWW and UWSP. None of them hosting.
http://static.psbin.com/r/h/1i6y0akmzi41js/2013-wbb-projected-bracket.pdf
http://static.psbin.com/r/h/1i6y0akmzi41js/2013-wbb-projected-bracket.pdf
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2013, 09:43:25 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2013, 09:43:25 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 24, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
Think we're talking only SP and WW in the NCAA. I think SP is just coming on and could get to the Sweet16. Simpson and Cornell - fantastic records - I just don't think they will hold up against the WIAC - earlier in the season, yes but not now. I like the "still tough but kinder and gentler" WW team. May also see them also get to the sweet 16 if they don't play SP again. A fourth match up would be very, very interesting. Here's hoping Sam B's. big game today gets here to all-american status. I expect EC to be back in the NCAA hunt next year.
ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on February 25, 2013, 11:37:53 AM
Post by: voice on February 25, 2013, 11:37:53 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
>:(
We had our chances but just didn't get it done. A miracle three-pointer from Merg got us into overtime and we had an open look to tie again at the end but the three-pointer grazed off the far side of the hoop and Point rebounded and to their credit made their free throws.
Barber was incredible. There were stretches where she simply took over and was unstoppable. She's one player I'm going to be glad to see graduate.
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2013, 05:01:36 PM
#21 UW-Stevens Point 74
#20 UW-Whitewater 71
Final-OT
Sam Barber's 34 point effort in the Pointer's 74-71 overtime win at WW to claim the WIAC Tournament Title was amazing. After torching UWW for the first 31 minutes of the game the UWW coaching staff put Kaitlin Thill on Barber. Thill responded by holding the dynamic Barber to 1 of 3 from the field the rest of the game. Thill's defensive effort was key to WW being able to comeback from a double digit deficet to get to OT thanks to Mary Merg's 3-pter in the final seconds of regulation.
I really enjoyed watching the game from the dog pound except for a Pointer fan's unfortunate remark to me in regards to my slow, shuffling style of walking due to my physical shortcoming's as I battle cancer. It was a very down moment for me on an otherwise supurb game.
Good luck to both teams in the NCAA Tourney!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
Point goes to Simpson to play Concordia Moorhead. (Other game: Simpson vs. Westminster)
Whitewater hosts a 4-team pod starting with Wisconsin Lutheran. (Other game: Carthage vs. Thomas More)
Point and Whitewater would potentially meet in a Sectional semifinal should they both win two games.
Oshkosh left out.
Whitewater hosts a 4-team pod starting with Wisconsin Lutheran. (Other game: Carthage vs. Thomas More)
Point and Whitewater would potentially meet in a Sectional semifinal should they both win two games.
Oshkosh left out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2013, 10:10:50 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2013, 10:10:50 AM
Going to guess that the road loss to EC was the deciding factor for UWO. Otterbein had no losses to sub .500 teams, though they did have THREE 20+ point losses. Againt the top of their conference, they were 1-5, while UWO was 3-4. But Otterbein did make it to their conference final. UWO strength of schedule was 59th, Otterbein was 99th. Still waiting to see if the chair will have an interview for explanations, like maybe who were the last teams in and out and the rationale.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
The WIAC having 4 teams in the NCAA last year may have worked against OSH, not based on math but it might have been someone else's turn.
Time to be wrong again. After careful review in the basement of Zorn Arena (next to the March 21, 2003 pain and other souvenirs), here is my take on the NCAA for the WIAC:
- WSP over Concordia Moorhead. WIAC competition and past experience helps WSP.
- I Have seen Simpson 3 times this year - Simpson is good but the WIAC schedule will favor WSP. If WSP can beat that pesky WW team, life against Simpson should be easier.
- When the whistle blows in Whitewater, the adrenaline in the veins of Thill, Quandt, and Theune will be too much for Lutheran and T. Moore. It takes nerves of steel and experience to face the "defensive jaws of death" WW poses. Being at home sweet home will also help the Warhawks. I'd be more worried about Lutheran than T. Moore.
So in the 4th showdown of the year between SP and WW to become elite, I fear the end of the road for Shirley and gang. I see WW. That is the good news for WW fans. The bad news for WW fans is there is no Hope against Hope. So WW advances to the elite 8 but no further.
Time to be wrong again. After careful review in the basement of Zorn Arena (next to the March 21, 2003 pain and other souvenirs), here is my take on the NCAA for the WIAC:
- WSP over Concordia Moorhead. WIAC competition and past experience helps WSP.
- I Have seen Simpson 3 times this year - Simpson is good but the WIAC schedule will favor WSP. If WSP can beat that pesky WW team, life against Simpson should be easier.
- When the whistle blows in Whitewater, the adrenaline in the veins of Thill, Quandt, and Theune will be too much for Lutheran and T. Moore. It takes nerves of steel and experience to face the "defensive jaws of death" WW poses. Being at home sweet home will also help the Warhawks. I'd be more worried about Lutheran than T. Moore.
So in the 4th showdown of the year between SP and WW to become elite, I fear the end of the road for Shirley and gang. I see WW. That is the good news for WW fans. The bad news for WW fans is there is no Hope against Hope. So WW advances to the elite 8 but no further.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
As a heads-up for those who don't already know, the Bracket Challenge is out! Our friends at d3photography.com manage our official picks contests:
http://d3photography.com/bracket_challenge/
Playing for pride, which means student-athletes and department personnel can participate.
http://d3photography.com/bracket_challenge/
Playing for pride, which means student-athletes and department personnel can participate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on February 27, 2013, 02:58:32 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on February 27, 2013, 02:58:32 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 27, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
So in the 4th showdown of the year between SP and WW to become elite, I fear the end of the road for Shirley and gang. I see WW. That is the good news for WW fans. The bad news for WW fans is there is no Hope against Hope. So WW advances to the elite 8 but no further.
Not so fast. First, Hope has a lot of work to do to even get to such a matchup. If they get past Wheaton, presumably they'd face #3 Ohio Northern. Win that, and they might face #4 Calvin for a fourth time in the round of 16; that game would be a tossup. It's a killer pod.
Also, Hope did certainly ambush WW in the first half at DeVos in December, but Hope can go off like that from time to time at DeVos. See the Calvin game there. But I was very impressed with WW and how they played in the 2nd half of that game. I have no doubt it would be a much tighter game if they play again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2013, 04:49:13 PM
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2013, 04:49:13 PM
But I was very impressed with WW and how they played in the 2nd half of that game. I have no doubt it would be a much tighter game if they play again.
WW has come a long, long way since earlier in the year. Expect them to get to the game with hope.
WW has come a long, long way since earlier in the year. Expect them to get to the game with hope.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2013, 11:08:09 PM
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2013, 11:08:09 PM
Nice wins WW and SP. While Simpson won big, still expect SP to win. WW will remain focused for the win over Carthage. Still looking for the WW vs SP fourth show down. Good luck WIAC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
Half time SP and Simpson. never have seen a point team look so bad in the last 10 years. Is it the Simpson defense or lack of concentration by point. Maybe both. WW seems to be doing OK.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
Point with a crazy comeback, but couldn't get over the top. Simpson holds on for 88-84 win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
Cheered for point but just not enough. Shirley's antics with the refs where the highlight of the game. Man I love her. She's got class and knows exactly where the line is. WW looked focused and deliberate. Assume they will play Simpson. Don't anticipate any slow starts by the gang from SE WI. Thanks Sam B for the great years long may you run. So great to stream two WIAC games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2013, 11:28:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2013, 11:28:20 AM
WARHAWKS FANS
Women's Basketball host Simpson College on Friday at 7:00PM.
-There will be free STUDENT tickets at DLK Enterprises, Residence Life (Goodhue 1st Floor) and at the door on game day.
-Saturday game tickets are also available.
-Fans can purchase tickets by calling 262-472-2222.
Women's Basketball host Simpson College on Friday at 7:00PM.
-There will be free STUDENT tickets at DLK Enterprises, Residence Life (Goodhue 1st Floor) and at the door on game day.
-Saturday game tickets are also available.
-Fans can purchase tickets by calling 262-472-2222.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bballfan13 on March 04, 2013, 11:52:43 AM
Post by: bballfan13 on March 04, 2013, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 02, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
Cheered for point but just not enough. Shirley's antics with the refs where the highlight of the game. Man I love her. She's got class and knows exactly where the line is. WW looked focused and deliberate. Assume they will play Simpson. Don't anticipate any slow starts by the gang from SE WI. Thanks Sam B for the great years long may you run. So great to stream two WIAC games.
Class is not the word that comes to mind when talking about Steven's Point's coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
explain about class. Thanks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:17:55 PM
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:17:55 PM
WAY to GO SARAH BINGEA - final 10 for the Josten's Award. Hooray Sarah.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bballfan13 on March 04, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Post by: bballfan13 on March 04, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
explain about class. Thanks
If you've ever heard how she speaks to refs / others than I don't think you'd describe it the same way. That's all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 04, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 04, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:17:55 PMI echo your sentiments regarding UWEC's Sarah Bingea, and note that Superior's Connie Urmanski is also a finalist...
WAY to GO SARAH BINGEA - final 10 for the Josten's Award. Hooray Sarah.
Congratulations ladies, and way to represent our conference!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2013, 09:42:14 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2013, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: bballfan13 on March 04, 2013, 10:34:18 PMQuote from: JMM on March 04, 2013, 07:16:40 PM
explain about class. Thanks
If you've ever heard how she speaks to refs / others than I don't think you'd describe it the same way. That's all.
I had a front seat at Stevens Point for years and save for 1 or 2 moments, I've never thought Egner went over the line. I've described her as classy as well and I still do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2013, 06:07:36 PM
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2013, 06:07:36 PM
I too am thrilled for Superior's Connie Urmanski. Here's hoping one of the WIAC players is chosen. Wasn't to long ago the Julia Hirsig was the recipient.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 08, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
Post by: JMM on March 08, 2013, 10:34:16 PM
Wah, Wah Whitewater to the elite 8. Nicely done WW. My original prediction was no hope for WW against Hope. The crew from SE Wisconsin are playing good and have had a really tough schedule soooo
let's change the prediction to WW by 1 point over Hope. It will be fun to see them at Holland for he finals. Glad to be a WW fan for a few more weeks but then it's back to the Blue and Gold. Good Luck Warhawks!
let's change the prediction to WW by 1 point over Hope. It will be fun to see them at Holland for he finals. Glad to be a WW fan for a few more weeks but then it's back to the Blue and Gold. Good Luck Warhawks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 09, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 09, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
can any uww fan on this board explain why the university thumbs its nose at ncaa rules on hosting. the ncaa clearly states that advertising is to be covered up, and it especially picky when it has a corporate partnership with coca-cola. i'm watching tonight's game and the pepsi sign is lit up in all its glory.
nearly all d-III schools are careful to cover up that kind of display with some sort of covering, but that must be too much for the uww athletic administration.
what's up with that???????????? here's hoping that the ncaa will come down hard on uww and that the ncaa rep at the game will someday develop a backbone.
nearly all d-III schools are careful to cover up that kind of display with some sort of covering, but that must be too much for the uww athletic administration.
what's up with that???????????? here's hoping that the ncaa will come down hard on uww and that the ncaa rep at the game will someday develop a backbone.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:12:29 PM
Post by: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:12:29 PM
cciwrabblerouser must be a Hope fan, who is hoping the NCAA gives Hope a victory because of some signage in the hallway . Anyhow, super congrats to an outstanding team from Whitewater. That was a nice victory for a hard working team (family). I don't know Hopes strength of schedule. I do know WW was one of the toughest 25. Keep your eye on the prize Warhawks. Keep your eyes on the prize. Seems like I can' help but wonder if Hope and the coaches have realized yet they lost. They may have looked through this game with the always tenacious WarHawks. I think Hope thought they would win it "all" at home. Guess that was just not to be.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on March 09, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on March 09, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:12:29 PM
cciwrabblerouser must be a Hope fan. Anyhow, super congrats to an outstanding team from Whitewater. That was a nice victory for a hard working team (family). I don't know Hopes strength of schedule. I do know WW was one of the toughest 25. Keep your eye on the prize Warhawks. Keep your eyes on the prize. Seems like I can' help but wonder if Hope and the coches have realized yet they lost. They may have looked through this game with the always tenacious WarHawks.
Congrats to the Warhawks, they played a great game. Best wishes in the Final Four, I think you'll find the team will be treated very well in Holland. Please don't make assumptions about Hope fans, we've never seen that poster over on the MIAA board.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:20:13 PM
Post by: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:20:13 PM
Thanks Roundball - very classy post.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on March 09, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on March 09, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:20:13 PM
Thanks Roundball - very classy post.
My pleasure, it was a great game between two very skilled and hardworking teams. I know I'll be pulling for the Warhawks to win it all.
I can assure you that no one at Hope overlooked the Warhawks. Sure, they had a dream to play in the Final Four on their home court - wouldn't anyone? But if you knew the Hope girls, you'd understand that they are as sincere, earnest and hardworking as anyone and surely didn't take a Final Four spot for granted.
Interesting similarities between the two games; both teams blitzed the opponent early when playing at home, then held off a comeback attempt. Seems like two pretty evenly matched teams. Good luck the rest of the way!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: sac on March 09, 2013, 10:46:47 PM
Post by: sac on March 09, 2013, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 09, 2013, 10:12:29 PM
cciwrabblerouser
his/her affiliation is right in their name. ???
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 09, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 09, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
i'm definitely not a hope fun -- though i do think it's unfair for the ncaa to move them away from their home court because they've been chosen to host the national championship weekend. somehow, the #2 team in the country having to play two games away from home against quality competition seems like a pretty stiff, and unfair, penalty. i have to think that the hope coaches and players would rather have played at home this weekend instead of hosting a national championship that they won't be in next weekend.
i did a little more research about the advertising situation. typically, the ncaa representative at the game would tell uww that they had to cover up the sign with skirting or some other material. and the ncaa rep typically would be the chair of the central region. and who is that? it's none other than uww's head women's basketball coach!! so whoever was chosen to serve as the 'ncaa site rep' this weekend apparently didn't have the backbone to tell uww to cover up the sign -- probably afraid of retribution down the road, so that person kept his/her mouth shut.
it just doesn't make uww's athletic administration look very classy at all. in any case, i do not have any respect for uww athletics. but i'm sure that the uww purple koolaid drinkers won't care at all. just go out and celebrate and 'damn the rules!'
i did a little more research about the advertising situation. typically, the ncaa representative at the game would tell uww that they had to cover up the sign with skirting or some other material. and the ncaa rep typically would be the chair of the central region. and who is that? it's none other than uww's head women's basketball coach!! so whoever was chosen to serve as the 'ncaa site rep' this weekend apparently didn't have the backbone to tell uww to cover up the sign -- probably afraid of retribution down the road, so that person kept his/her mouth shut.
it just doesn't make uww's athletic administration look very classy at all. in any case, i do not have any respect for uww athletics. but i'm sure that the uww purple koolaid drinkers won't care at all. just go out and celebrate and 'damn the rules!'
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
cciwrabblerouser,
I'm also a CCIW guy. First of all, the sectional was not at Hope not because they are hosting the FF (in 2010, IWU hosted the sectional even though they were also hosting the FF), but because St. Thomas to Holland would require a flight. The sectional was clearly between Simpson and UWW, the two locations where the NCAA didn't have to pay to fly anyone.
I DO have great respect for UWW athletics, and think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Besides, I like Pepsi better than Coke anyway! ;D
I'm also a CCIW guy. First of all, the sectional was not at Hope not because they are hosting the FF (in 2010, IWU hosted the sectional even though they were also hosting the FF), but because St. Thomas to Holland would require a flight. The sectional was clearly between Simpson and UWW, the two locations where the NCAA didn't have to pay to fly anyone.
I DO have great respect for UWW athletics, and think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Besides, I like Pepsi better than Coke anyway! ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 10, 2013, 07:20:26 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 10, 2013, 07:20:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
cciwrabblerouser,
I'm also a CCIW guy. First of all, the sectional was not at Hope not because they are hosting the FF (in 2010, IWU hosted the sectional even though they were also hosting the FF), but because St. Thomas to Holland would require a flight. The sectional was clearly between Simpson and UWW, the two locations where the NCAA didn't have to pay to fly anyone.
I DO have great respect for UWW athletics, and think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Besides, I like Pepsi better than Coke anyway! ;D
What he said. The hosting decision was clearly a distance issue. Hope was never even considered.
And the advertising? Big, fricking, whoop. It's up to the on-site NCAA rep to make that call, not UWW, but if they don't care, why should we? Did your Coca-Cola stock drop a quarter point this weekend over that sign? I'm far from a UWW fan, but if you insist on finding something to hate them for, go find something worthwhile instead of this petty B.S.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
I do not think think the home floor was the reason Hope lost. I think both teams offense was dismal last night. While I think the WIAC was a little down this year (just a little), It is still a tough, tough place to play year in and year out. There are many JR and SR on WW who have seen some exceptional teams in the past 2-3 years. The level of talent in the WIAC last year was off the charts. This WW team is extremely seasoned and pretty fierce.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on March 10, 2013, 08:47:11 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on March 10, 2013, 08:47:11 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 10, 2013, 08:28:23 AM
I do not think think the home floor was the reason Hope lost. I think both teams offense was dismal last night. Hope's strength of schedule is 173. WW is 19. When you are an OK team that plays easier teams, you are apt to have an impressive record. When you play very stiff competition often, you pick up some loses. WW because of it's level of competition is better positioned in a game like last night. While I think the WIAC was a little down this year (just a little), It is still a tough, tough place to play year in and year out. There are many JR and SR on WW who have seen some exceptional teams in the past 2-3 years. The level of talent in the WIAC last year was off the charts. This WW team is extremely seasoned and pretty fierce.
According to Massey, WW's strength of schedule for the season is #1 and Hope is #12. Agree that the WIAC wars prepare their teams well for the playoffs. Disagree about home court. If you've ever seen Hope play at DeVos, where they are 125-3 and have crowds that are double anywhere else in D3, you'd know that playing at home is a difference maker - at least for Hope. But no excuses, WW played great, earned every bit of the win and any team has to win on the road if they want to bring home a championship.
I think WW matches up well with the remaining teams, including DePauw, and they are now my favorite for the title.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
keep drinking that purple kool-aid. with amherst and depauw waiting for uww at the final four, it could be a difficult weekend for the warhawkers.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
I have seen Hope play in Holland at DeVos. Holland is a wonderful town - almost like a Walt Disney style fairyland. It has to be the best D3 gym (arena) in the nation.
I have seen WW play at least 18 times in the past 3 years. I do not yet think they have shown their full assault defense in the tournament. WW has the ability to put teams into the pressure cooker when in the full assault defense - Especially when the refs "let the teams play". Quandt, Thuene, Merg, Thill among others can really do a "head trip" to break a team down when in the full defensive attack mode. This is how they beat Eau Claire in last years WIAC Semi-final. If they go into that mode against Amherst and Amherst has not seen super trapping and defense played to one inch of the offensive player, they may falter big time.
I had picked DePauw for #1 and Amherst # 2 with Hope losing to Amherst. I thought Steven's Point would beat Simpson and then loss to WW. With Hope beating WW at Hope. Anyhow, that is all mute.
Can WW go to #1 - yes if they get the super pressure cooker defense going and the refs are in the "let them play" mood. This WW team is about as an experienced team as can be. They are super fast, super scrappy and can be super confident when their defense is really going strong. I believe we will see that defense against Amherst.
I have seen WW play at least 18 times in the past 3 years. I do not yet think they have shown their full assault defense in the tournament. WW has the ability to put teams into the pressure cooker when in the full assault defense - Especially when the refs "let the teams play". Quandt, Thuene, Merg, Thill among others can really do a "head trip" to break a team down when in the full defensive attack mode. This is how they beat Eau Claire in last years WIAC Semi-final. If they go into that mode against Amherst and Amherst has not seen super trapping and defense played to one inch of the offensive player, they may falter big time.
I had picked DePauw for #1 and Amherst # 2 with Hope losing to Amherst. I thought Steven's Point would beat Simpson and then loss to WW. With Hope beating WW at Hope. Anyhow, that is all mute.
Can WW go to #1 - yes if they get the super pressure cooker defense going and the refs are in the "let them play" mood. This WW team is about as an experienced team as can be. They are super fast, super scrappy and can be super confident when their defense is really going strong. I believe we will see that defense against Amherst.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 10, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
Post by: voice on March 10, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on March 09, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
can any uww fan on this board explain why the university thumbs its nose at ncaa rules on hosting. the ncaa clearly states that advertising is to be covered up, and it especially picky when it has a corporate partnership with coca-cola. i'm watching tonight's game and the pepsi sign is lit up in all its glory.
nearly all d-III schools are careful to cover up that kind of display with some sort of covering, but that must be too much for the uww athletic administration.
what's up with that???????????? here's hoping that the ncaa will come down hard on uww and that the ncaa rep at the game will someday develop a backbone.
cciwrabblerouser... interesting observation. I'm not the "expert" you are on signage at NCAA tournament locations. I do know that the NCAA has a lenghty list of "corporate sponsors." I do know that I have seen local ads regarding beer and cansino interests at off-campus venues "covered up" due to the fact that the tournament venue was being staged at an off-campus facility. Just an observation from a D3 fan that definitely has a backbone.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 11:51:27 AM
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 11:51:27 AM
Ok. I can appreciate backbone. Are you saying the NCAA is a miss and streching the rules for Whitewater?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
JMM -- i don't believe the ncaa is stretching the rules for anyone. however, i do believe that whoever the 'ncaa site representative was certainly did not enforce the rules by which school are expected to live by.
who is the 'ncaa site representative'? that person is NOT on the full-time ncaa staff. the expense of sending someone from indianapolis would be staggering over the course of a year. instead, the person USUALLY is the regional chair and, if not that person, a designee from another school in the region. my guess would be that this weekend's rep at whitewater was a member of the central region selection committee and most likely not traveling all that far from whitewater. that is the person who is responsible to enforce regulations at the host site. what makes it more disappointing is that the central region chair was at all the games this weekend (because she is the head coach at uww) and shouldn't have put the site rep in a position that it would even be a question. of all people, the regional chair knows the rules, and apparently her designee didn't want to challenge her. it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth and says that the rules really don't matter...
i've been to hope, and the arena is just amazing. it's the perfect size and place for a women's final weekend, and your team will be treated extremely well. they are first-class in everything they do. (and, no, i am not a hope fan, though i do respect the school.)
finally, i see my error in questioning the selection of uww as this weekend's host over hope. we all know that the ncaa schedules as few flights as possible. we all have learned to live with the travel restrictions, but there definitely are times that the rule can hurt programs who earned the right to host. so, apologies for not taking the travel restrictions into account.
who is the 'ncaa site representative'? that person is NOT on the full-time ncaa staff. the expense of sending someone from indianapolis would be staggering over the course of a year. instead, the person USUALLY is the regional chair and, if not that person, a designee from another school in the region. my guess would be that this weekend's rep at whitewater was a member of the central region selection committee and most likely not traveling all that far from whitewater. that is the person who is responsible to enforce regulations at the host site. what makes it more disappointing is that the central region chair was at all the games this weekend (because she is the head coach at uww) and shouldn't have put the site rep in a position that it would even be a question. of all people, the regional chair knows the rules, and apparently her designee didn't want to challenge her. it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth and says that the rules really don't matter...
i've been to hope, and the arena is just amazing. it's the perfect size and place for a women's final weekend, and your team will be treated extremely well. they are first-class in everything they do. (and, no, i am not a hope fan, though i do respect the school.)
finally, i see my error in questioning the selection of uww as this weekend's host over hope. we all know that the ncaa schedules as few flights as possible. we all have learned to live with the travel restrictions, but there definitely are times that the rule can hurt programs who earned the right to host. so, apologies for not taking the travel restrictions into account.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 03:57:02 PM
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 03:57:02 PM
Nice post CCIr..R
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
From a very close involvement with the NCAA rep I can state without reservation that they have a hell of lot more important things to worry about than signage. I'm relatively certain that it was an innocent oversight and I can state for a fact that the rep did not in any way shape or form bend to the will of coach Carollo and they were not her "designee." To even suggest such a thing is insulting and so far off base that it's absurd. A rule was violated but as rules go I doubt it's one who's omission is going to bring the wrath of the NCAA down on WHITEWATER. Interestingly not one of the fans who attended either this weekend or the prior one noticed the signage and commented to our staff. Some of them actually came to observe a basketball game.
If you're going to talk about this stuff you should at least get a clue about how it operates.
If you're going to talk about this stuff you should at least get a clue about how it operates.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ShineTime on March 10, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
Post by: ShineTime on March 10, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
This is embarrassing we're even talking about this. Whitewater got it done give them credit and if you're supposedly a championship team you find a way to win regardless of the gym.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
From a very close involvement with the NCAA rep I can state without reservation that they have a hell of lot more important things to worry about than signage. I'm relatively certain that it was an innocent oversight and I can state for a fact that the rep did not in any way shape or form bend to the will of coach Carollo and they were not her "designee." To even suggest such a thing is insulting and so far off base that it's absurd. A rule was violated but as rules go I doubt it's one who's omission is going to bring the wrath of the NCAA down on WHITEWATER. Interestingly not one of the fans who attended either this weekend or the prior one noticed the signage and commented to our staff. Some of them actually came to observe a basketball game.
If you're going to talk about this stuff you should at least get a clue about how it operates.
i will put up my ncaa post-season experiences with hosting and knowing what is expected and how things are supposed to operate with yours, any day of the week. my school HOSTED multiple (i'm thinking close to 50 or 60) d-III tournament weekends and/or single games in seven or eight different ncaa sports, and when we were on the road i sat in the coaches/administrators meetings as well. i know what i'm talking about. maybe your coach didn't personally select the ncaa site rep, but the fact is that your coach is the central region selection committee chair, and anyone the ncaa chooses to be the site rep wants to stay on her good side.
touchy, touchy, touchy ... are you the facility manager at uww? or the ad? maybe you're a work-study student? how else would you know that 'no one noticed the signage and commented to our staff' unless you are omniscient?
JMM, thanks for your support. i am indeed trying to stay objective here, and i'm sticking to the facts, but it's kinda funny (and sad) how some fanatics can't see straight when they're looking through lavender-colored glasses.
i see that my karma has taken a hit. no big deal -- i expect that when, as colonel jessep once said from the witness stand, 'you can't handle the truth!'
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2013, 06:56:56 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2013, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 06:29:42 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
From a very close involvement with the NCAA rep I can state without reservation that they have a hell of lot more important things to worry about than signage. I'm relatively certain that it was an innocent oversight and I can state for a fact that the rep did not in any way shape or form bend to the will of coach Carollo and they were not her "designee." To even suggest such a thing is insulting and so far off base that it's absurd. A rule was violated but as rules go I doubt it's one who's omission is going to bring the wrath of the NCAA down on WHITEWATER. Interestingly not one of the fans who attended either this weekend or the prior one noticed the signage and commented to our staff. Some of them actually came to observe a basketball game.
If you're going to talk about this stuff you should at least get a clue about how it operates.
i will put up my ncaa post-season experiences with hosting and knowing what is expected and how things are supposed to operate with yours, any day of the week. my school HOSTED multiple (i'm thinking close to 50 or 60) d-III tournament weekends and/or single games in seven or eight different ncaa sports, and when we were on the road i sat in the coaches/administrators meetings as well. i know what i'm talking about. maybe your coach didn't personally select the ncaa site rep, but the fact is that your coach is the central region selection committee chair, and anyone the ncaa chooses to be the site rep wants to stay on her good side.
touchy, touchy, touchy ... are you the facility manager at uww? or the ad? maybe you're a work-study student? how else would you know that 'no one noticed the signage and commented to our staff' unless you are omniscient?
JMM, thanks for your support. i am indeed trying to stay objective here, and i'm sticking to the facts, but it's kinda funny (and sad) how some fanatics can't see straight when they're looking through lavender-colored glasses.
i see that my karma has taken a hit. no big deal -- i expect that when, as colonel jessep once said from the witness stand, 'you can't handle the truth!'
You've made nine posts about something that is, let's be honest, a nitpick. You deserve to lose some karma over it. So a rule wasn't followed -- the NCAA wasn't harmed. I doubt anyone really cares other than you.
Let's put it this way -- I love the championships handbook and I will gladly cite it when something important is missed, such as when the national chair was a site rep for a men's sectional a few years back and his sectional failed to produce an All-Sectional team. That's recognition that kids missed out on.
Here? A sign. Whatever. If even I can't be bothered to care about it then I don't think it's a particularly big deal.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
It wasn't me to ding your karma. Believe or not there is another person who thinks your comments were as absurd and off base as I did. Shocking isn't it? Evidently they are less hesitant about the use of it than I am.
50-60 meetings in 7 or 8 sports, home and away yet you still don't have a clue how the NCAA selects hosting sites or how they select site reps. What did you do sleep through them?
I am neither a facility manager, a AD or a work-study student. I'm not omniscient either. But I do know about the things people complained about and the signage wasn't one of them. To my knowledge you are the only person to notice the signage and comment on it.
" i am indeed trying to stay objective here, and i'm sticking to the facts..." ROTFLMFAO, hilarious, absolutely hilarious.
50-60 meetings in 7 or 8 sports, home and away yet you still don't have a clue how the NCAA selects hosting sites or how they select site reps. What did you do sleep through them?
I am neither a facility manager, a AD or a work-study student. I'm not omniscient either. But I do know about the things people complained about and the signage wasn't one of them. To my knowledge you are the only person to notice the signage and comment on it.
" i am indeed trying to stay objective here, and i'm sticking to the facts..." ROTFLMFAO, hilarious, absolutely hilarious.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
I get the strong feeling that cciwrabblerouser is a lobbyist for Coca Cola! ;D
All these posts over something no one else even noticed, much less gave a rat's a$$ about!
BTW, cciwrabble, I've never had a beef with you before, but I am one who dinged you (and I use 'smite' VERY rarely). Your rants are getting VERY old.
(I'm sure you will ding me just as soon as you get back on - c'est la vie.)
All these posts over something no one else even noticed, much less gave a rat's a$$ about!
BTW, cciwrabble, I've never had a beef with you before, but I am one who dinged you (and I use 'smite' VERY rarely). Your rants are getting VERY old.
(I'm sure you will ding me just as soon as you get back on - c'est la vie.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 08:19:38 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 08:19:38 PM
i have no reason to 'ding' you, mr. ypsi. and capitalization is overrated. ;D
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
Nor does he have the ability, Ypsi, you know that. :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
Nor does he have the ability, Ypsi, you know that. :)
Oops! I thought he had more posts than that, and failed to look closely. :-[
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
i wouldn't even if i could, mr. ypsi.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
Post by: JMM on March 10, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
BadgerHawk - good to see you post. Figured your were laying low not to jinx the Warhawks in trying to get to the final 4. Anyhow, congrats to the Warhawks, even though they drive me nuts as an EC fan, it is wonderful to see this hardworking, experienced group going to Holland. I'm hoping they bring out that stifling defense they use against EC when they play Amherst. Looks like "kinder/gentler" is working well for WW - just kidding
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 08:58:04 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
i wouldn't even if i could, mr. ypsi.
I like your attitude, and just 'applauded' you (which raised you TWO points, since it undoes my earlier smite, then adds a karma point). But enough on the sign!! :o ::)
Yeah, they were in apparent violation of a rule; but as the saying goes: 'no harm, no foul'. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 09:35:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2013, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 10, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
BadgerHawk - good to see you post. Figured your were laying low not to jinx the Warhawks in trying to get to the final 4. Anyhow, congrats to the Warhawks, even though they drive me nuts as an EC fan, it is wonderful to see this hardworking, experienced group going to Holland. I'm hoping they bring out that stifling defense they use against EC when they play Amherst. Looks like "kinder/gentler" is working well for WW - just kidding
Thanks
We're very fortunate to be making the trip. Alot of things went our way. Not the least of which was hosting. But Hope isn't the first team in that situation and they won't be the last. Hope was a very good team. Luckily we started the game well and were able withstand every run they made afterward. No one is taking Amherst, or anyone else in the Final Four, lightly. We may or may not win but if we don't it won't be because we didn't take Amherst seriously enough. Frankly, we're just glad to be one of the last four teams practicing.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 09:36:37 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 10, 2013, 08:58:04 PMQuote from: cciwrabblerouser on March 10, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
i wouldn't even if i could, mr. ypsi.
I like your attitude, and just 'applauded' you (which raised you TWO points, since it undoes my earlier smite, then adds a karma point). But enough on the sign!! :o ::)
Yeah, they were in apparent violation of a rule; but as the saying goes: 'no harm, no foul'. ;)
yes, i think that there is nothing else to say. here's hoping for a great final four for all the teams at hope this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2013, 08:27:48 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 11, 2013, 08:27:48 AM
Is the rule in a book somewhere? If it's a rule in the book, but "not a big deal", why have it on the books?
One of my biggest pet peeves in my job is the phrase, "Oh, it's not that big of a deal." when it comes to rules, no matter how big or small. But, the people that sidestep things like that are the people that sidestep as much as possible, whenever possible.
Congrats to the Warhawks. Can't say I bet on that, but an impressive run. They farther thay make it, the more impressive the WIAC looks to everyone. I still wonder how far 5 teams from the WIAC would get if they made it in the tourney.
One of my biggest pet peeves in my job is the phrase, "Oh, it's not that big of a deal." when it comes to rules, no matter how big or small. But, the people that sidestep things like that are the people that sidestep as much as possible, whenever possible.
Congrats to the Warhawks. Can't say I bet on that, but an impressive run. They farther thay make it, the more impressive the WIAC looks to everyone. I still wonder how far 5 teams from the WIAC would get if they made it in the tourney.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on March 11, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
Post by: BDB on March 11, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2013, 06:56:56 PM
Here? A sign. Whatever. If even I can't be bothered to care about it then I don't think it's a particularly big deal.
Now this is funny. ;) +k to the Guru.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Ok, I've done some checking and here is the official word regarding the advertising signage in Williams Center on our campus. Our advertising signage is a contractual obligation between the university and the advertiser. As such the NCAA does not require that it be covered during their their regional and sectional events. If we were to host the Final Four we would need to conform to the NCAA corporate sponor agreements which would require us to cover the signage.
So no rules were broken after all. The NCAA rep did do his job, very well I might add, and wasn't manipulated by Coach Carollo. Apparently the UW-W athletic department having hosted numerous NCAA post season events is familiar with the rules. Who would have thought it ???
rabblerouser, if your university has been covering their contractually obligated signage with advertisers during the numerous events they have hosted they probably owe them a refund of some sort. Hopefully you can clarify the NCAA's position with them now. ;)
So no rules were broken after all. The NCAA rep did do his job, very well I might add, and wasn't manipulated by Coach Carollo. Apparently the UW-W athletic department having hosted numerous NCAA post season events is familiar with the rules. Who would have thought it ???
rabblerouser, if your university has been covering their contractually obligated signage with advertisers during the numerous events they have hosted they probably owe them a refund of some sort. Hopefully you can clarify the NCAA's position with them now. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 11, 2013, 11:05:46 AM
Post by: voice on March 11, 2013, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Ok, I've done some checking and here is the official word regarding the advertising signage in Williams Center on our campus. Our advertising signage is a contractual obligation between the university and the advertiser. As such the NCAA does not require that it be covered during their their regional and sectional events. If we were to host the Final Four we would need to conform to the NCAA corporate sponor agreements which would require us to cover the signage.
So no rules were broken after all. The NCAA rep did do his job, very well I might add, and wasn't manipulated by Coach Carollo. Apparently the UW-W athletic department having hosted numerous NCAA post season events is familiar with the rules. Who would have thought it ???
rabblerouser, if your university has been covering their contractually obligated signage with advertisers during the numerous events they have hosted they probably owe them a refund of some sort. Hopefully you can clarify the NCAA's position with them now. ;)'m
Outstanding job at journalisticly researching the "signage" issue. Thanks for bringing some sanity to the 36 hour firestorm started by a poster that goes by the handle cciwrabblerouser.
In the wake of all the b*tching that I read on this board the past week over the complaints that Hope, not Whitewater, should have hosted the Sweet 16, UWW has elected to travel to Holland this weekend via Cleveland as a penance for the NCAA's decision to have the Sweet 16 in Whitewater.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 11, 2013, 12:03:55 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 11, 2013, 12:03:55 PM
just a note ...
we have never permitted advertising at any of our athletics facilities. we haven't had to resort to that (yet).
and a comment ...
i hear that cleveland is just lovely this time of year ... ::)
we have never permitted advertising at any of our athletics facilities. we haven't had to resort to that (yet).
and a comment ...
i hear that cleveland is just lovely this time of year ... ::)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2013, 08:12:05 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2013, 08:12:05 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Ok, I've done some checking and here is the official word regarding the advertising signage in Williams Center on our campus. Our advertising signage is a contractual obligation between the university and the advertiser. As such the NCAA does not require that it be covered during their their regional and sectional events. If we were to host the Final Four we would need to conform to the NCAA corporate sponor agreements which would require us to cover the signage.
So no rules were broken after all. The NCAA rep did do his job, very well I might add, and wasn't manipulated by Coach Carollo. Apparently the UW-W athletic department having hosted numerous NCAA post season events is familiar with the rules. Who would have thought it ???
rabblerouser, if your university has been covering their contractually obligated signage with advertisers during the numerous events they have hosted they probably owe them a refund of some sort. Hopefully you can clarify the NCAA's position with them now. ;)
And there we have it.
Next up from the rabblerouser: "I was promised two-ply toilet paper at all regional sites!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 12, 2013, 09:54:42 AM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 12, 2013, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2013, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Ok, I've done some checking and here is the official word regarding the advertising signage in Williams Center on our campus. Our advertising signage is a contractual obligation between the university and the advertiser. As such the NCAA does not require that it be covered during their their regional and sectional events. If we were to host the Final Four we would need to conform to the NCAA corporate sponor agreements which would require us to cover the signage.
So no rules were broken after all. The NCAA rep did do his job, very well I might add, and wasn't manipulated by Coach Carollo. Apparently the UW-W athletic department having hosted numerous NCAA post season events is familiar with the rules. Who would have thought it ???
rabblerouser, if your university has been covering their contractually obligated signage with advertisers during the numerous events they have hosted they probably owe them a refund of some sort. Hopefully you can clarify the NCAA's position with them now. ;)
And there we have it.
Next up from the rabblerouser: "I was promised two-ply toilet paper at all regional sites!"
love your TP comment, voice. hut, believe me, i've sat on enough toilet seats in so many colleges and universities through the years that i 'know' institutional toilet paper -- and it's never two-ply. well, who knows... maybe in the ivy league and the nescac it's the double-ply version ... can anyone help with an answer???????
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 12, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
Post by: JMM on March 12, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
cciwrabblerouser - it's time to go back, back to the CCIW.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 12, 2013, 12:02:06 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 12, 2013, 12:02:06 PM
WARHAWKS point guard Kaitlyn Thill is just three steals away from tying the WIAC career total record of 307 currently held by EauClaire's Sue Christianson. Thill has 304 steals entering the weekend. With her senior season still to be played and averaging roughly 100 steals a season Thill could establish a significantly higher career total.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 12, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 12, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
okie dokie, JMM. actually, though, i kinda think that we're a lot alike. your karma total of -221 is almost inspirational. so long, my wisconsin friends, i've enjoyed our interaction. in going, i feel like 'joliet jake' and elwood blues ... 'we're 106 miles from chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. hit it!' ;D
best wishes to the uww women.
best wishes to the uww women.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2013, 10:11:39 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2013, 10:11:39 AM
The WIAC dominates the Central's all region team.
Sam Barber not only was a member of the first team she was also the Central Region Player of the Year. Members of the second team included Connie Urmanski, Briana Radowicz and Courtney Kumerow. Brittany Gregorich and Sarah Bingea were named to the third team bringing the total to six of the fifteen players named.
Keri Carollo was named the Central Region Coach of the Year.
Congrats to all.
Sam Barber not only was a member of the first team she was also the Central Region Player of the Year. Members of the second team included Connie Urmanski, Briana Radowicz and Courtney Kumerow. Brittany Gregorich and Sarah Bingea were named to the third team bringing the total to six of the fifteen players named.
Keri Carollo was named the Central Region Coach of the Year.
Congrats to all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 13, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on March 13, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
sorry to return, folks, but after our pepsi/coca-cola 'discussion,' i have to post this incredibly funny stunt from pepsi, starring nascar star jeff gordon. just click on the underlined http link.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q5mHPo2yDG8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
i hope you'll enjoy it!
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q5mHPo2yDG8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on March 13, 2013, 10:15:55 PM
Post by: stoutguy on March 13, 2013, 10:15:55 PM
Quote from: cciwrabblerouser on March 13, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
sorry to return, folks, but after our pepsi/coca-cola 'discussion,' i have to post this incredibly funny stunt from pepsi, starring nascar star jeff gordon. just click on the underlined http link.
i hope you'll enjoy it!
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q5mHPo2yDG8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Sorry WW guys. You guys have every right to tell this guy to not not be on "our board" and not get us all fired up regarding who hosts, who doesn't, and whatever. You can tell by my comments that Stout has been done for quite some time now so as you can tell, I don't care that much. But here is the deal. I have not enjoyed something so much in years from this rather boring board until I watched ccwrabblerouser's Jeff Gordon Pepsi discussion. I defy anyone not to at least smile as they watch this.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: voice on March 14, 2013, 11:36:42 AM
Post by: voice on March 14, 2013, 11:36:42 AM
The UW-Whitewater women's basketball team is in Holland, Michigan preparing for tomorrow's NCAA Division III national semifinal game vs. once beaten Amherst, Mass.
The Jefferson County Daily Union has a lengthy preview article written Jeff Seisser. To read click onto the adjacent link:
http://dailyunion.com/main.asp?SectionID=37&SubSectionID=111&ArticleID=14013
The Jefferson County Daily Union has a lengthy preview article written Jeff Seisser. To read click onto the adjacent link:
http://dailyunion.com/main.asp?SectionID=37&SubSectionID=111&ArticleID=14013
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: buf on March 15, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
Post by: buf on March 15, 2013, 07:34:39 PM
WOW!!! Heroics by UWW, especially Merg. UWW down 12 late in the game. Merg hits a 25 foot 3 at the buzzer to tie. She then hits the game winner in OT at the buzzer. On to the championship game!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: 80sshorts on March 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Post by: 80sshorts on March 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Those last 10 mins were some of the most exciting basketball I've ever seen played in Division III. Congrats to Whitewater; they looked dead in the water with 5 mins to go and made a number of huge plays.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 15, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 15, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
Now the Warhawks get one of the other 2 teams WLC lost to this season. When the Warriors played DePauw in WLC's 2nd game of the season, it was still a 5 point game with 12 min to play in the 2nd half until the Indiana squad pulled away. Granted that was way earlier than the Warriors played Williams. Williams routed WLC in a game over the holiday break in a game that wasn't that close.
No matter who you get, I'll be pulling for you!
No matter who you get, I'll be pulling for you!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2013, 04:08:01 PM
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2013, 04:08:01 PM
We've released our list of All-Americans. Congratulations to Sam Barber and Cortney Kumerow
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
Hail WW great year, exceptional tournament and a wonderful, wonderful run. EC fan
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2013, 02:12:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2013, 02:12:12 PM
DePauw was really good. They shot lights out and played tough defense. Once they got off to such a fast start the hole was too big to climb out of. Especially against a team playing as well they were. Congrats to them. They had a fantastic season.
Kaitlyn Thill was credited with six steals in the two games played. Those bring her career total to 310 making her the conference's all time career steals leader.
Regardless of the outcome we had a great time in Holland. The facility is really excellent. I'm sure Stevens Point will be a good host but there is no DIII facility that I am aware of that approaches theirs. More so the ride this year has been exceptionally fun and the run that capped it was special. Congrats to the seniors who finish their careers on the team that has advanced the furthest in the history of the program. Congrats to all involved. While we've got some big holes to fill we also return a solid group of players.
Kaitlyn Thill was credited with six steals in the two games played. Those bring her career total to 310 making her the conference's all time career steals leader.
Regardless of the outcome we had a great time in Holland. The facility is really excellent. I'm sure Stevens Point will be a good host but there is no DIII facility that I am aware of that approaches theirs. More so the ride this year has been exceptionally fun and the run that capped it was special. Congrats to the seniors who finish their careers on the team that has advanced the furthest in the history of the program. Congrats to all involved. While we've got some big holes to fill we also return a solid group of players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
Badgerhawk, All hats off to the Warhawks. WW has a great team too - beating Amherst, Hope, Simpson and winning the WIAC which is one of the premier conferences going. Only a great team could do that. I have watched this group of woman for the past few years from the losing end at EC and again at the WW campus. Wonderful. I also have gained he deepest respect for the coach as well. Markmmmm
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 18, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 18, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
Sam Barber was named a All American by the National Basketball Coaches Association (NBCA). Barber is also one of three finalists for the NBCA's National Player of the Year. Additionally Courtney Kumerow was named an honorable mention All American. Kumerow's naming to the honorable mention list is the fourth time in the past five years that a WARHAWKS player received honorable mention recognition. Congrats to both and the others as well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2013, 09:20:15 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2013, 09:20:15 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 18, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
Sam Barber was named a All American by the National Basketball Coaches Association (NBCA). Barber is also one of three finalists for the NBCA's National Player of the Year. Additionally Courtney Kumerow was named an honorable mention All American. Kumerow's naming to the honorable mention list is the fourth time in the past five years that a WARHAWKS player received honorable mention recognition. Congrats to both and the others as well.
Good luck to Sam Barber; I've been a distant admirer of hers. But I don't think anyone but Calvin's Carissa Verkaik is getting any of those awards this year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
I think you've hit the nail on it's proverbial head Yipsi. I've never seen Verkaik play but from everything I've read she is certainly a deserving receiptant of the award. I imagine that there is more than one MIAA coach happy to see her graduate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: quail1231 on March 28, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
Post by: quail1231 on March 28, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
Brad Fischer wins coach of the year. How long does he stay at UWO before jumping to a higher profile coaching position?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on March 29, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on March 29, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: quail1231 on March 28, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
Brad Fischer wins coach of the year. How long does he stay at UWO before jumping to a higher profile coaching position?
Don't think he can get much higher in D3. If you mean a move up in divisions, he could certainly do that at some point. He is a very talented coach. It would be great if he would stay at Oshkosh long term but I couldn't begrudge the guy if he took a D2 or D1 job at some point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 29, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 29, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
He just left a D2 head coaching position at Parkside. He did a fantastic job, very impressive turnaround, and I agree that he is a very good coach. But he isn't likely to go from DIII to DI. So it would seem that if DI is his goal he may have been better off at Parkside. Obviously it wouldn't be that difficult to get to a better DII program than Parkside's but I've got a feeling that he's going to be around Oshkosh for a while.
But it's been a long time since I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so I could be way off base.
But it's been a long time since I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so I could be way off base.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 29, 2013, 03:43:17 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 29, 2013, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 29, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
He just left a D2 head coaching position at Parkside. He did a fantastic job, very impressive turnaround, and I agree that he is a very good coach. But he isn't likely to go from DIII to DI. So it would seem that if DI is his goal he may have been better off at Parkside. Obviously it wouldn't be that difficult to get to a better DII program than Parkside's but I've got a feeling that he's going to be around Oshkosh for a while.
But it's been a long time since I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so I could be way off base.
No, he was an assistant at Parkside. Oshkosh is his first head coaching job. This is a lot of premature talk for a guy with only one year of head coaching experience, even as talented as I believe him to be.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2013, 03:49:19 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 29, 2013, 03:49:19 PM
It's actually somewhat easier for a women's coach to go from D-III directly to D-I, as opposed to a men's coach. Here's a list of recent coaches to make the jump:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/04/roussell-takes-d1-job
Now ... the results have been, let's say mixed. But it's possible.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/04/roussell-takes-d1-job
Now ... the results have been, let's say mixed. But it's possible.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 29, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 29, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
Thanks for the input you guys. I guess I should stay at Holiday Inn Express more often. Then I might know what I'm talking about. :P
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on March 31, 2013, 12:56:09 AM
Post by: thrunt01 on March 31, 2013, 12:56:09 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 29, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
He just left a D2 head coaching position at Parkside. He did a fantastic job, very impressive turnaround, and I agree that he is a very good coach. But he isn't likely to go from DIII to DI. So it would seem that if DI is his goal he may have been better off at Parkside. Obviously it wouldn't be that difficult to get to a better DII program than Parkside's but I've got a feeling that he's going to be around Oshkosh for a while.
But it's been a long time since I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so I could be way off base.
Not saying he's leaving anytime in the immediate future but part of me doubts he'll be a lifer a la Egner.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2013, 09:20:15 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 18, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
Sam Barber was named a All American by the National Basketball Coaches Association (NBCA). Barber is also one of three finalists for the NBCA's National Player of the Year. Additionally Courtney Kumerow was named an honorable mention All American. Kumerow's naming to the honorable mention list is the fourth time in the past five years that a WARHAWKS player received honorable mention recognition. Congrats to both and the others as well.
Good luck to Sam Barber; I've been a distant admirer of hers. But I don't think anyone but Calvin's Carissa Verkaik is getting any of those awards this year.
Sam Barber has been named the Women's Basketball Coaches Association DIII National Player of the Year. Super honor for Sam, Point and indirectly the WIAC.
I'm not sure if there is an affliation between the WBCA and the NBCA. It looks to be a separate organization.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on April 10, 2013, 03:32:09 PM
Post by: Just Bill on April 10, 2013, 03:32:09 PM
BW, I think you had your alphabet soup cris-crossed in that original post.
WBCA is the women's basketball coaches association
NABC is the men's basketball coaches association
The NBCA is the collective name for all NBA head and assistant coaches, but they don't have anything to do with college basketball and don't distribute awards.
Both awards for Barber (All-American and Player of the Year), as well as the one for Kumerow, are from the WBCA. The NABC only honors men's basketball, and the WBCA only honors women's basketball.
WBCA is the women's basketball coaches association
NABC is the men's basketball coaches association
The NBCA is the collective name for all NBA head and assistant coaches, but they don't have anything to do with college basketball and don't distribute awards.
Both awards for Barber (All-American and Player of the Year), as well as the one for Kumerow, are from the WBCA. The NABC only honors men's basketball, and the WBCA only honors women's basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
You're right Bill, thanks for straightening it out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 10, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 10, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 10, 2013, 12:02:40 PMQuote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 18, 2013, 09:20:15 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 18, 2013, 07:47:04 PM
Sam Barber was named a All American by the National Basketball Coaches Association (NBCA). Barber is also one of three finalists for the NBCA's National Player of the Year. Additionally Courtney Kumerow was named an honorable mention All American. Kumerow's naming to the honorable mention list is the fourth time in the past five years that a WARHAWKS player received honorable mention recognition. Congrats to both and the others as well.
Good luck to Sam Barber; I've been a distant admirer of hers. But I don't think anyone but Calvin's Carissa Verkaik is getting any of those awards this year.
Sam Barber has been named the Women's Basketball Coaches Association DIII National Player of the Year. Super honor for Sam, Point and indirectly the WIAC.
I'm not sure if there is an affliation between the WBCA and the NBCA. It looks to be a separate organization.
I stand corrected - I thought Ms. Verkaik would sweep the awards.
Congratulations to Sam Barber!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 25, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 25, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Congrats to the Pointers getting it done in the classroom.
http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2013/7/18/WBCA-Announces-2013-Academic-Top-25-Team-Honor-Rolls/
http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2013/7/18/WBCA-Announces-2013-Academic-Top-25-Team-Honor-Rolls/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on August 02, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on August 02, 2013, 03:48:35 PM
Strong hire by UWO on its mission to return to the top of the WIAC.
http://uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/wbkb/2013-14/releases/McNiffHired
http://uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/wbkb/2013-14/releases/McNiffHired
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 06, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 06, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Congrats to WARHAWKS assistant coach, Amy Zelinger, who is being inducted into the UW-Stout Blue Devil's Hall of Fame. Amy was an outstanding player for the Blue Devils.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on August 10, 2013, 10:52:36 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on August 10, 2013, 10:52:36 PM
Several WIAC teams played at Just A Game today. UW Superior and a split UWW squad played to a tie and looked good. UWSP was very good in the action I saw. River falls was there too but I did not see much of them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 29, 2013, 03:30:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on August 29, 2013, 03:30:13 PM
The WARHAWKS have released their 2013-14 schedule. Nonconference home games include Edgewood, Illinois Wesleyan and Elmhurst. Road games include St Mary's College, Northland/St Norberts, University of Chicago, Carthage and Ohio Northern.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 01, 2013, 11:43:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 01, 2013, 11:43:14 AM
The WARHAWKS are scheduled to play an exhibition game against Marquette Nov. 14th.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2013, 02:59:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2013, 02:59:23 PM
The WARHAWKS women scrimmaged Marquette. Despite it being a mismatch we made a good showing of ourselves. The game was within 8 points with 4 1/2 minutes remaining. Regrettably that was the last points we would score as the Golden Eagles 44-27 point advantage in the paint (size) and 27-7 advantage off the bench (depth) was too much to overcome. The final was 78-59. I'm told that Mary Merg and Katie Burton played exceptionally well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: thrunt01 on November 05, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Post by: thrunt01 on November 05, 2013, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 03, 2013, 02:59:23 PM
The WARHAWKS women scrimmaged Marquette. Despite it being a mismatch we made a good showing of ourselves. The game was within 8 points with 4 1/2 minutes remaining. Regrettably that was the last points we would score as the Golden Eagles 44-27 point advantage in the paint (size) and 27-7 advantage off the bench (depth) was too much to overcome. The final was 78-59. I'm told that Mary Merg and Katie Burton played exceptionally well.
Good for WIAC from an exposure stand point. Not so good for other teams looking to knock of the 'hawks. We'll see how UWSP does against UW on thursday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Cheesehead Henry on November 08, 2013, 08:30:12 PM
Post by: Cheesehead Henry on November 08, 2013, 08:30:12 PM
Look for UW-Platteville to win a WIAC championship this year! They just got in a new freshman girl who is supposed to have some stellar talent and plays straight, no nonsense, technically sound basketball. I'm calling it!
-Henry
-Henry
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on November 09, 2013, 01:39:10 AM
Post by: Just Bill on November 09, 2013, 01:39:10 AM
Quote from: Cheesehead Henry on November 08, 2013, 08:30:12 PM
Look for UW-Platteville to win a WIAC championship this year! They just got in a new freshman girl who is supposed to have some stellar talent and plays straight, no nonsense, technically sound basketball. I'm calling it!
-Henry
Thanks, Dad!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
A snowman will survive hell.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2013, 08:47:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2013, 08:47:13 PM
WARHAWKS point guard Kaityn Thill was named an honorable mention D3Hoops.com preseason All American. Thill was the only WIAC player named.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2013, 12:14:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 17, 2013, 12:14:38 PM
The WARHAWKS opened the season with a convincing 107-61 win over St Marys College (In) in the Saint Norbert Tip Off semifinal. Starting the game with an 11-0 run in the game's first two minutes the WARHAWKS pushed the lead to thirty, 52-22, at the half. The lead grew to a game high of forty seven, 95-48, with six minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS shot 49% from the floor including ten three-pointers. The defense created 32 turnovers which included 13 steals. Kaitlyn Thill led the WARHAWKS with 24 points and game highs of 8 assists and 5 steals. Mary Merg added 16 points and had 4 steals. Amy Mandrell dropped 15 points and a game high 7 rebounds. Abby Reeves rounded out the double figure scorers with 10 points. A 53-33 advantage on the boards led the WARHAWKS 44-34 advantage in points in the paint and a 24-11 advantage in second chance points. The WARHAWKS outscored St Marys 46-19 off of turnovers.
The WARHAWKS met Saint Norberts in the championship game and got win number two 72-61. The WARHAWKS started the game with a 10-3 in the first three minutes and the lead grew to a game high of nineteen, 34-15, with three minutes remaining in the half. Saint Norberts pulled to within fourteen, 36-22, when the half ended. Saint Norbert pulled to eight early in the second half and five, 52-47, with seven minutes remaining but that's as close as it would get. The defense forced twenty five turnovers which led to a 31-8 scoring advantage in points off of them. Amy Mandrell finished with game highs of 16 points and 9 rebounds. Katie Burton finished with 15 points and 7 rebounds. Abbie Reeves added 14 points and Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 8 steals.
The WARHAWKS met Saint Norberts in the championship game and got win number two 72-61. The WARHAWKS started the game with a 10-3 in the first three minutes and the lead grew to a game high of nineteen, 34-15, with three minutes remaining in the half. Saint Norberts pulled to within fourteen, 36-22, when the half ended. Saint Norbert pulled to eight early in the second half and five, 52-47, with seven minutes remaining but that's as close as it would get. The defense forced twenty five turnovers which led to a 31-8 scoring advantage in points off of them. Amy Mandrell finished with game highs of 16 points and 9 rebounds. Katie Burton finished with 15 points and 7 rebounds. Abbie Reeves added 14 points and Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 8 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2013, 11:49:30 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2013, 11:49:30 AM
The WARHAWKS ran the winning streak to three games with a 90-76 win over the University of Chicago. Though they scored the game's first five points the WARHAWKS trailed 25-20 after nine and half minutes. A 7-0 run gave the WARHAWKS the lead and they led 39-35 at the half. Scoring 15 points off of 16 turnovers help the WARHAWKS get the lead. Mary Merg led all scorers with 12 points while Amy Mandrell added 10 and 8 rebounds. UC scored the first four points of the second half to tie but the WARHAWKS responded with a 16-4 run to take a double digit lead 55-43. Chicago would get to within four, 59-54, with eleven minutes to play but once again the WARHAWKS would quickly make a run and regain the double digit lead which reached a high of seventeen. Chicago closed to within nine points twice around the seven minute mark but that's as close as it would get.
Mandrell finished with a team high 24 points and a game high 14 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill added 18 points and game highs of 7 assists and 7 steals. Merg finished with 17 points and added 4 steals. Abbie Reeves and Rilley Stewart also scored in double figures with 15 and 11 points respectively.
Mandrell finished with a team high 24 points and a game high 14 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill added 18 points and game highs of 7 assists and 7 steals. Merg finished with 17 points and added 4 steals. Abbie Reeves and Rilley Stewart also scored in double figures with 15 and 11 points respectively.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
WARHAWKS: 91
Edgewood=71
The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game and led by ten 48-38 at the half. Edgewood would get no closer than twelve points in the second half as the WARHAWKS lead reach a high of twenty-four 91-67 before Edgewood scored the game's final four points.
Amy Mandrell finished with a game high 18 points. Mary Merg added 16 points. Katie Burton had 16 points while Abbey Reeves and Rilley Stewart each scored 13 points. Mandrell also had a game high 7 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 6 assists and 5 steals.
Edgewood=71
The WARHAWKS never trailed in the game and led by ten 48-38 at the half. Edgewood would get no closer than twelve points in the second half as the WARHAWKS lead reach a high of twenty-four 91-67 before Edgewood scored the game's final four points.
Amy Mandrell finished with a game high 18 points. Mary Merg added 16 points. Katie Burton had 16 points while Abbey Reeves and Rilley Stewart each scored 13 points. Mandrell also had a game high 7 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill had a game high 6 assists and 5 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 28, 2013, 12:20:54 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 28, 2013, 12:20:54 PM
WHITEWATER: 96
Illinois Wesleyan: 79
Behind 61% first half shooting the WARHAWKS jumped to a sixteen point halftime lead, 52-36, and cruised to the win. IWU got to within nine points in the second half but the WARHAWKS responded and rebuilt the lead to a high of twenty-four points. The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 56%. It was a sloppy affair as the full court pressure defense employed by both teams led to a lot of turnovers and free throws. The two teams combined for 54 turnovers resulting in a combined 76 points off of turnovers and shot a combined 50 free throws.
Mary Merg led six WARHAWKS in double figures with 19 points. Katie Burton hit 3 three pointers and finish with 15 points. Amy Mandrell continued to add offense with 13 points. Kaitlyn Thill, Abbie Reeves and Andrea Olson scored 12 points apiece. Merg added a game high 7 assists and Thill had a game high 6 steals and a team leading 6 rebounds.
It was a good win against an opponent, though not as strong as previous years, is still a top tier program.
Illinois Wesleyan: 79
Behind 61% first half shooting the WARHAWKS jumped to a sixteen point halftime lead, 52-36, and cruised to the win. IWU got to within nine points in the second half but the WARHAWKS responded and rebuilt the lead to a high of twenty-four points. The WARHAWKS finished the game shooting 56%. It was a sloppy affair as the full court pressure defense employed by both teams led to a lot of turnovers and free throws. The two teams combined for 54 turnovers resulting in a combined 76 points off of turnovers and shot a combined 50 free throws.
Mary Merg led six WARHAWKS in double figures with 19 points. Katie Burton hit 3 three pointers and finish with 15 points. Amy Mandrell continued to add offense with 13 points. Kaitlyn Thill, Abbie Reeves and Andrea Olson scored 12 points apiece. Merg added a game high 7 assists and Thill had a game high 6 steals and a team leading 6 rebounds.
It was a good win against an opponent, though not as strong as previous years, is still a top tier program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 05, 2013, 10:00:55 PM
Post by: JMM on December 05, 2013, 10:00:55 PM
Stout Video Screens. Some Bozo at Stout put video screens up in opposite corners of the court at Stout. Not only do they total ruin the game for spectators but they are absolutely a total dstraction to players. They broadcast the game live on these. Effectively, these sit up in the right corners as you dribble up to your basket, I have never seen the likes of it, WIAC COACHES beware - they will really through your team for a loop. It is like having extra players on the court - they are literally huge and right on the court - can someone check in on this. I am baffled - they absolutely distract the audience for the game and are a total distraction to players. Please report if you know about these or have seen them. It is absolutely ridiculus
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on December 05, 2013, 11:01:41 PM
Post by: Just Bill on December 05, 2013, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 05, 2013, 10:00:55 PM
Stout Video Screens. Some Bozo at Stout put video screens up in opposite corners of the court at Stout. Not only do they total ruin the game for spectators but they are absolutely a total dstraction to players. They broadcast the game live on these. Effectively, these sit up in the right corners as you dribble up to your basket, I have never seen the likes of it, WIAC COACHES beware - they will really through your team for a loop. It is like having extra players on the court - they are literally huge and right on the court - can someone check in on this. I am baffled - they absolutely distract the audience for the game and are a total distraction to players. Please report if you know about these or have seen them. It is absolutely ridiculus
Are they showing replays, or doing promotional activities on them? If they are just showing live action there's really no point in an ordinary sized gym. It's not like sitting at the top of Madison Square Garden.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
Post by: JMM on December 06, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
Some replays at half but I tell you, these screens must go. They interfere with the game big time. I'm sure that the woman's whitewater coach and S. Point coach will ask for them to be turned off. BADGERHAWK -look into this one. See what you can figure. Could be why Superior lost tonight - these things are really bad news - if your guard brings the ball up and looks to pass right - they will be totally distracted. It is like a movie screen in the middle of the movie screen - you go to the movies to watch a flick and in the middle of the screen they are showing the same movie in a slower out of focus version. Stout folks - where is your head at?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2013, 12:38:05 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 06, 2013, 12:38:05 PM
So they sit on the floor? Our men are there Saturday so we'll see where that goes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: stoutguy on December 06, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
Post by: stoutguy on December 06, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 06, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
Some replays at half but I tell you, these screens must go. They interfere with the game big time. I'm sure that the woman's whitewater coach and S. Point coach will ask for them to be turned off. BADGERHAWK -look into this one. See what you can figure. Could be why Superior lost tonight - these things are really bad news - if your guard brings the ball up and looks to pass right - they will be totally distracted. It is like a movie screen in the middle of the movie screen - you go to the movies to watch a flick and in the middle of the screen they are showing the same movie in a slower out of focus version. Stout folks - where is your head at?
Those screens don't do much for me either, but the reason that Superior lost? I hope you are kidding! And I'm sure if any coach comes in and asks for them to be turned off, I'm sure our AD will jump right on that. And for the record, JMM, in an earlier post you referred to "some Bozo at Stout". After rereading that post you would have a hard time convincing me that there is a "Bozo" at Stout. I would suggest that the "Bozo" title probably fits the guy that would make a post like that in the first place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on December 07, 2013, 10:09:05 AM
Post by: Roundball999 on December 07, 2013, 10:09:05 AM
Can't speak for the screens at Stout, but I'm generally not a fan of these things at hoops games. Some of it depends on where they're located - end walls is worse than overhead IMO - and some depends on how they're used. Was not a fan at WLC of the very long home team player intros caused by review of program history, 1000 pt scorers, etc but could see how home fans might appreciate that more. Pregame and half time ads are a downer too. But while I really don't like these things at games, I find it hard to think it would impact game outcome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on December 07, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
Post by: BDB on December 07, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
The video screens are 40-50 feet in the air and have no effect on the outcome of a game played there. Johnson Fieldhouse is a large, open facility and the screens help warm it up if anything. I like them.
Hey, maybe the screens on the football scoreboards should be turned off too. BW, make sure that happens next time we are down there. I'm sure you agree that that video board effects the outcome of games in Whitewater. :P ;)
Hey, maybe the screens on the football scoreboards should be turned off too. BW, make sure that happens next time we are down there. I'm sure you agree that that video board effects the outcome of games in Whitewater. :P ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 07, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
Post by: JMM on December 07, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
Blue Devil Bob - have you stood on the floor at the same level of the players during a game, The screens are absolutely a distraction. Looks like a very bad attempt to add technology where it is not needed. They absolutely are a distraction to player and and spectator. The picture quality is pathetic and out of synch - go take a look. If you want them to warm up the field house arena - leave the screens off during he game. Use them for half time recap. My two cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 08, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
Post by: JMM on December 08, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
So my big question for someone in the know - did the video screens contribute to the Stout men upset of Whitewater? Don't get me wrong, looks like Stout men have a very, very good team - anyone have insight. Again, I maintain that if the video is on during the game (like it was in the woman Superior and Stout game) it interferes with play. Especially the play of visitors who are not use to the game being broadcasted right at them as they play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 11, 2013, 10:41:55 PM
Post by: JMM on December 11, 2013, 10:41:55 PM
RF had a nice win at Stout. Those pesky screens still hang in the corners of the court. I guess if teams aren't complaining - then I'm one with the problem. I thought stout is very improved from past few years. Third time I have seen RF play - they are getting better and better - I like this RF team. Looks like WW had no issue with SP. So as an EC fan, I suppose the WW and EC game will be very interesting. See EC lost to Pioneers. Looks from stats that EC is doing better. Also see Saar played more for EC. I will never figure out why Englund doesn't play her junior and seniors who are experienced and pretty good - seems like Tonja is always experimenting.. The team might be better served if she just let these players play. Once she played her seniors toward the end of last year, she started to win. Saar is to good to be sitting the bench for most of the game - especially given the gap between her and those getting much more playing time. Might be why EC is hardly drawing a crowd the past 2 seasons - it gets old when seniors and seasoned juniors don't play for "rebuilding purposes". Let 'em play Englund. My two cents as a 14 year EC supporter.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2013, 11:31:52 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 12, 2013, 11:31:52 AM
The WARHAWKS/Point game was a little tighter than the final score suggests. Initially the teams traded baskets and the lead until Point used a 13-1 run to go up 34-27 about thirteen minutes into the half. The WARHAWKS gradually whittled the lead down and took a 42-41 lead into the locker room. Both teams shot well, Point 53% including 6-10 three pointers and the WARHAWKS 49% (4-6 three pointers) and 12-16 free throws. There were 11 leads changes in the first half. The Pointers regained the lead immediately in the second half but never got any further ahead than five points. The WARHAWKS finally took the lead for good, 65-64, at the nine and half minute mark when Kaitlyn Thill made her consecutive three pointers. Point finished 57% from the floor and 8-14 from beyond the arc. The WARHAWKS finished 49% including 7-11 three pointers. Free throws were the deciding factor with the WARHAWKS connecting on nearly twice as many (21) as the Pointers shot (11). Mary Merg had a big night 17 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals. Thill finished with 16 points and 4 steals. Riley Stewart (12) and Katie Burton (11) also scored in double figures. Reserves Chelsea Smith (6 points, 4 rebounds, 1 steal in 18 minutes) and Morgan Dalhke (5 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal in 23 minutes) had good nights off the bench against a bigger Pointer team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2013, 02:16:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 13, 2013, 02:16:32 PM
Quote from: JMM on December 08, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
So my big question for someone in the know - did the video screens contribute to the Stout men upset of Whitewater? Don't get me wrong, looks like Stout men have a very, very good team - anyone have insight. Again, I maintain that if the video is on during the game (like it was in the woman Superior and Stout game) it interferes with play. Especially the play of visitors who are not use to the game being broadcasted right at them as they play.
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but last night was the first time I've seen Pat since you posted. I'm afraid he doesn't see it you way. He indicated to me that they were no big deal and he didn't feel they had any impact on the game. We made enough mistakes ourselves to lose. I haven't seen them personally so I can't offer any opinion.
I would add that I have little doubt the first time a coach feels that they're a problem a call to the commissioner's office will follow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2014, 09:03:52 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 15, 2014, 09:03:52 AM
A month with no chatter? Conference race looks to be tighter than ever. Big game with UWSP @ UWO tonight. Don't want to fall 2 games out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2014, 10:30:54 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 16, 2014, 10:30:54 AM
Nice win for the Titans.
WARHAWKS: 72
Platteville: 60
The WARHAWKS have added Kristin Ruchti to their roster. Ruchti, a 6'2" senior, has been a member of the volleyball team and hasn't played basketball since high school. Last night she finished with a double-double, 11 points 11 rebounds, in 19 minutes of play. Andrea Olson's 18 points were a team high. The WARHAWKS had five players finish with double figure points (Olson 18, Kaitlyn Thill 12, Ruchti 11, Abbie Reeves 11 and Mary Merg 10). Thill added game highs of 5 assists and 4 steals. The WARHAWKS out scored the Pioneers 36-17 off of turnovers.
Alyssa Krajco led the Pioneers with game highs of 24 points and 14 rebounds. She's got game.
Last night's win ran the WARHAWKS winning streak against the Pioneers to 14.
WARHAWKS: 72
Platteville: 60
The WARHAWKS have added Kristin Ruchti to their roster. Ruchti, a 6'2" senior, has been a member of the volleyball team and hasn't played basketball since high school. Last night she finished with a double-double, 11 points 11 rebounds, in 19 minutes of play. Andrea Olson's 18 points were a team high. The WARHAWKS had five players finish with double figure points (Olson 18, Kaitlyn Thill 12, Ruchti 11, Abbie Reeves 11 and Mary Merg 10). Thill added game highs of 5 assists and 4 steals. The WARHAWKS out scored the Pioneers 36-17 off of turnovers.
Alyssa Krajco led the Pioneers with game highs of 24 points and 14 rebounds. She's got game.
Last night's win ran the WARHAWKS winning streak against the Pioneers to 14.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 20, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
WARHAWKS: 84
Superior: 79
Shooting poorly the WARHAWKS trailed by 19 points toward the end of the first half and despite a mini rally still trailed by 13 points, 45-32, when the half ended. With one exception the Yellow Jackets maintained a double digit lead for the first 12 minutes of the second half and continued to lead until a Kristin Ruchti layup gave the WARHAWKS their first lead 71-70 with just under 3 1/2 minutes to play. After that clutch shooting from the charity stripe (13 of 14) preserved the victory. The WARHAWKS have won 26 of the last 27 meetings between the two teams.
Amy Mandrell led all scorers with 26 points (18 in the second half) and finished a double-double with 12 rebounds. Mary Merg added 11 points while both Kaitlyn Thill and Ruchti each scored 10 points. Thill had a team high 6 assists.
Sally Linzmeier: 22 points, 7 rebounds, 11 assists, 2 blocks and 4 steals led the Yellow Jackets.
Superior: 79
Shooting poorly the WARHAWKS trailed by 19 points toward the end of the first half and despite a mini rally still trailed by 13 points, 45-32, when the half ended. With one exception the Yellow Jackets maintained a double digit lead for the first 12 minutes of the second half and continued to lead until a Kristin Ruchti layup gave the WARHAWKS their first lead 71-70 with just under 3 1/2 minutes to play. After that clutch shooting from the charity stripe (13 of 14) preserved the victory. The WARHAWKS have won 26 of the last 27 meetings between the two teams.
Amy Mandrell led all scorers with 26 points (18 in the second half) and finished a double-double with 12 rebounds. Mary Merg added 11 points while both Kaitlyn Thill and Ruchti each scored 10 points. Thill had a team high 6 assists.
Sally Linzmeier: 22 points, 7 rebounds, 11 assists, 2 blocks and 4 steals led the Yellow Jackets.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 23, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 23, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
LaCrosse: 75
WARHAWKS: 84
The final score suggests the game was close but actually up to the last 6 minutes or so it was a blow out. Initially the game stayed relatively close and the WARHAWKS lead with a couple of exceptions was in single digits for the first 16 minutes of the game. A three-pointer by Abbie Reeves increased the lead to 11 points with 3 minutes remaining and it eventually grew to a high of 16 points before settling in at 14, 49-35, when the half ended. The WARHAWKS increased the lead into the 20's in the first 4 minutes of the second half and it reached a high of 32 points twice before the Eagles made a 25-2 run to finish the final six minutes. Mary Merg led four WARHAWKS in double figures with 13 points (19 minutes). Abbie Reeves added 11 points (16 minutes) while Kaitlyn Thill (14 minutes) and Amy Mandrell (17 minutes) each scored 10 points. Mandrell led the WARHAWKS with a game high 7 rebounds and Thill had a game high 5 steals.
It was a long and ugly affair. 59 fouls were called and the two teams combined to shoot 71 free throws and committed a combined 53 turnovers. Substitutes on both sides saw extended playing time and scored a combined 81 of the 159 total points scored.
WARHAWKS: 84
The final score suggests the game was close but actually up to the last 6 minutes or so it was a blow out. Initially the game stayed relatively close and the WARHAWKS lead with a couple of exceptions was in single digits for the first 16 minutes of the game. A three-pointer by Abbie Reeves increased the lead to 11 points with 3 minutes remaining and it eventually grew to a high of 16 points before settling in at 14, 49-35, when the half ended. The WARHAWKS increased the lead into the 20's in the first 4 minutes of the second half and it reached a high of 32 points twice before the Eagles made a 25-2 run to finish the final six minutes. Mary Merg led four WARHAWKS in double figures with 13 points (19 minutes). Abbie Reeves added 11 points (16 minutes) while Kaitlyn Thill (14 minutes) and Amy Mandrell (17 minutes) each scored 10 points. Mandrell led the WARHAWKS with a game high 7 rebounds and Thill had a game high 5 steals.
It was a long and ugly affair. 59 fouls were called and the two teams combined to shoot 71 free throws and committed a combined 53 turnovers. Substitutes on both sides saw extended playing time and scored a combined 81 of the 159 total points scored.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 26, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 26, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
River Falls: 50
WARHAWKS: 96
The score was 18-17 WARHAWKS with 8:46 remaining in the half when the WARHAWKS went on a 32-3 run to finish the half ahead 50-20. After the Falcons made the first basket of the second half the WARHAWKS quickly ran the lead into the thirties and it stayed between the mid-thirties and forties for the second half. Fifteen WARHAWKS scored points as the reserves saw extended playing time. Kaitlyn Thill's 18 points led the way and Kristin Ruchti added 13. As the score suggests the WARHAWKS dominated every statistical category.
WARHAWKS: 96
The score was 18-17 WARHAWKS with 8:46 remaining in the half when the WARHAWKS went on a 32-3 run to finish the half ahead 50-20. After the Falcons made the first basket of the second half the WARHAWKS quickly ran the lead into the thirties and it stayed between the mid-thirties and forties for the second half. Fifteen WARHAWKS scored points as the reserves saw extended playing time. Kaitlyn Thill's 18 points led the way and Kristin Ruchti added 13. As the score suggests the WARHAWKS dominated every statistical category.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2014, 10:59:24 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2014, 10:59:24 AM
Platteville: 45
WARHAWKS: 72
Once again it was a significant run by the WARHAWKS over the last nine minutes of the first half that turned the tables and essentially ended the game. With Platteville leading 16-14 five consecutive points scored by Katie Burton ignited the offense and the WARHAWKS picked up the pace and the pressure to finish the half on a 24-6 run and held a comfortable 38-22 half time lead. The WARHAWKS lead hit twenty plus, 52-31, at the twelve minute mark of the second half and reached thirty twice before the game ended.
Freshman Reilley Stewart led the WARHAWKS going 7-11 from the field including 4-8 from beyond the arc finishing with a season high 18 points. Kaitlyn Thill added 11 points and a game high 4 assists as well as 9 rebounds. Abbie Reeves finished with 10 points while Amy Mandrell's 11 rebounds were a game high. The WARHAWKS pulled down 53 rebounds which included 17 off the offensive board which gave them a 17-4 scoring edge in second chance points and a deeper WARHAWKS bench outscored the Pioneers 30-10.
Alyssa Krajco led the Pioneers with a game high 20 points.
WARHAWKS: 72
Once again it was a significant run by the WARHAWKS over the last nine minutes of the first half that turned the tables and essentially ended the game. With Platteville leading 16-14 five consecutive points scored by Katie Burton ignited the offense and the WARHAWKS picked up the pace and the pressure to finish the half on a 24-6 run and held a comfortable 38-22 half time lead. The WARHAWKS lead hit twenty plus, 52-31, at the twelve minute mark of the second half and reached thirty twice before the game ended.
Freshman Reilley Stewart led the WARHAWKS going 7-11 from the field including 4-8 from beyond the arc finishing with a season high 18 points. Kaitlyn Thill added 11 points and a game high 4 assists as well as 9 rebounds. Abbie Reeves finished with 10 points while Amy Mandrell's 11 rebounds were a game high. The WARHAWKS pulled down 53 rebounds which included 17 off the offensive board which gave them a 17-4 scoring edge in second chance points and a deeper WARHAWKS bench outscored the Pioneers 30-10.
Alyssa Krajco led the Pioneers with a game high 20 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2014, 02:12:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2014, 02:12:40 PM
WARHAWKS: 81
Stout: 60
The score would suggest that the game was a blow out but that would be an inaccurate assessment of how it was played. Stout took an early lead as the WARHAWKS missed their first five shots and were whistled for two player control fouls in the first three minutes. Amy Mandrell's jumper got the WARHAWKS on the board and Mary Merg's free throw tied the score 6-6 at the 16 minute mark. After the WARHAWKS went ahead for a while the Blue Devils regained the lead a couple of minutes later and held it for three minutes when a three-pointer by Abbie Reeves tied it and Riley Stewart's layup gave the WARHAWKS a lead 16-14 that they would increase to 11 points, 31-20, with just under five minutes remaining. Stout finished the half with a 6-0 run cutting into the deficit and making the halftime score 31-26. The WARHAWKS struggled from the field hitting just 31% of their shots but out scored the Blue Devils 7 to 1 from the charity stripe. Kristin Ruchti came off the bench to lead the WARHAWKS with 7 points and Mandrell added 6 points and 8 rebounds. Sami Schroeder had 7 points to lead the Blue Devils. Mandrell scored the first basket of the second half but the Blue Devils stayed within single digits, getting within 4 points twice, in the first eight and half minutes. The double digit lead didn't last long as the Blue Devils reduced it to four points once again a couple of minutes later but that is as close as they would get as the WARHAWKS finished the game with a 26-9 run.
For the second time in a row the WARHAWKS were led in scoring by a bench player. This time it was Ruchti who finished with a game high 17 points. Kaitlyn Thill added 16 points and had a game high 7 steals. Mandrell finished with a double-double 12 points and a game high 13 rebounds. Katie Burton added 11 points and Mary Merg had 10 points and a game high 8 assists. Bench points were the only thing that either team held a significant difference as, led by Ruchti, the WARHAWKS out scored the Blue Devils 26-8.
Schroeder (16), Katelynne Folkers (15) and Kleigh Hebert (10) led the Blue Devils. Folkers added 10 rebounds to round out a double-double and also had 6 steals.
Earlier this year we discussed Stout's video board and this was my first chance to see it. Admittedly it was limited by the tv broadcast and I only saw one side. However I don't see how it could be as significant distraction as was previously asserted. Any player who was distracted by looking at it would have to be going out of their way to watch it as it's position is in the corner and suspended well above the playing surface. I just don't see it as a problem and it does add to and enhance the fan experience. JMO
Stout: 60
The score would suggest that the game was a blow out but that would be an inaccurate assessment of how it was played. Stout took an early lead as the WARHAWKS missed their first five shots and were whistled for two player control fouls in the first three minutes. Amy Mandrell's jumper got the WARHAWKS on the board and Mary Merg's free throw tied the score 6-6 at the 16 minute mark. After the WARHAWKS went ahead for a while the Blue Devils regained the lead a couple of minutes later and held it for three minutes when a three-pointer by Abbie Reeves tied it and Riley Stewart's layup gave the WARHAWKS a lead 16-14 that they would increase to 11 points, 31-20, with just under five minutes remaining. Stout finished the half with a 6-0 run cutting into the deficit and making the halftime score 31-26. The WARHAWKS struggled from the field hitting just 31% of their shots but out scored the Blue Devils 7 to 1 from the charity stripe. Kristin Ruchti came off the bench to lead the WARHAWKS with 7 points and Mandrell added 6 points and 8 rebounds. Sami Schroeder had 7 points to lead the Blue Devils. Mandrell scored the first basket of the second half but the Blue Devils stayed within single digits, getting within 4 points twice, in the first eight and half minutes. The double digit lead didn't last long as the Blue Devils reduced it to four points once again a couple of minutes later but that is as close as they would get as the WARHAWKS finished the game with a 26-9 run.
For the second time in a row the WARHAWKS were led in scoring by a bench player. This time it was Ruchti who finished with a game high 17 points. Kaitlyn Thill added 16 points and had a game high 7 steals. Mandrell finished with a double-double 12 points and a game high 13 rebounds. Katie Burton added 11 points and Mary Merg had 10 points and a game high 8 assists. Bench points were the only thing that either team held a significant difference as, led by Ruchti, the WARHAWKS out scored the Blue Devils 26-8.
Schroeder (16), Katelynne Folkers (15) and Kleigh Hebert (10) led the Blue Devils. Folkers added 10 rebounds to round out a double-double and also had 6 steals.
Earlier this year we discussed Stout's video board and this was my first chance to see it. Admittedly it was limited by the tv broadcast and I only saw one side. However I don't see how it could be as significant distraction as was previously asserted. Any player who was distracted by looking at it would have to be going out of their way to watch it as it's position is in the corner and suspended well above the playing surface. I just don't see it as a problem and it does add to and enhance the fan experience. JMO
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 06, 2014, 12:13:26 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 06, 2014, 12:13:26 PM
WARHAWKS: 76
Pointers: 55
There were 3 lead changes and 2 ties in the first seven minutes of the game when a pair of free throws by Riley Stewart gave the WARHAWKS a 10-8 lead that they would hold for the remainder of the game. The lead remained in single digits for the rest of the half reaching it's high of nine, 40-31, when Mary Merg's three-pointer was good with one second remaining. Merg was 3-3 from beyond the arc and led all scorers with 11 points. Amy Mandrell added 10 points and Morgan Dalhke pulled down 5 rebounds. Myranda Tyler led the Pointers with 6 points. The WARHAWKS opened the second half with a 7-0 run in the first two minutes pushing the lead to sixteen. The Pointers closed the deficit to 12 points with thirteen and half minutes remaining but the WARHAWKS responed with a 10-2 run over the next six minutes putting them up by twenty one points 67-44. The Pointers were never closer after that.
Mandrell finished with game highs of 18 points and 7 rebounds. Merg added 14 points and Kristin Ruchti 10 points. Kaitlyn Thill's 6 assists and 2 steals were game highs.
Tyler's 14 points led the Pointers while Joann Wolfenberg chipped in with 10.
Pointers: 55
There were 3 lead changes and 2 ties in the first seven minutes of the game when a pair of free throws by Riley Stewart gave the WARHAWKS a 10-8 lead that they would hold for the remainder of the game. The lead remained in single digits for the rest of the half reaching it's high of nine, 40-31, when Mary Merg's three-pointer was good with one second remaining. Merg was 3-3 from beyond the arc and led all scorers with 11 points. Amy Mandrell added 10 points and Morgan Dalhke pulled down 5 rebounds. Myranda Tyler led the Pointers with 6 points. The WARHAWKS opened the second half with a 7-0 run in the first two minutes pushing the lead to sixteen. The Pointers closed the deficit to 12 points with thirteen and half minutes remaining but the WARHAWKS responed with a 10-2 run over the next six minutes putting them up by twenty one points 67-44. The Pointers were never closer after that.
Mandrell finished with game highs of 18 points and 7 rebounds. Merg added 14 points and Kristin Ruchti 10 points. Kaitlyn Thill's 6 assists and 2 steals were game highs.
Tyler's 14 points led the Pointers while Joann Wolfenberg chipped in with 10.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2014, 12:34:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 09, 2014, 12:34:40 PM
Superior: 73
WARHAWKS: 86
The game was really more competitive than the final score would suggest. The first half was a see-saw affair with eight ties and four lead changes. The WARHAWKS held the largest lead at six points, 31-25, with six and half minutes remaining in the half while the Yellow Jackets largest lead was four, 35-31, with about five minutes left. Mary Merg's two free throws with twenty one seconds put the WARHAWKS on top 40-38 when the half ended. The Yellow Jackets shot 52% from the floor to just 40% for the WARHAWKS but the WARHAWKS out scored the Yellow Jackets 7-3 from the charity stripe to hold the lead. Amy Mandrell led all scorers with 14 points while Kaitlyn Thill added 10. Sally Linzmeier paced Superior with 11 points. Abbie Reeves started the second half with a three-pointer extending the WARHAWKS lead to five but the Yellow Jackets would respond and pull to within a single point 45-44 when Linzmeier scored six consecutive points. However that is as close as they would get. With three exceptions the WARHAWKS lead remained in single figures until Katie Burton's three-pointer made the score 76-65 with a little over four minutes left. The lead reached it's high point of fourteen 82-68 with a pair of free throws by Thill and fifty eight seconds to be played.
Mandrell led all scorers with 25 points and added 9 rebounds. Thill also had 9 rebounds and contributed 17 points. Burton (13) and Reeves (10) rounded out the double figure scorers for the WARHAWKS. Thills 5 assists were a game high as were Kristin Ruchti's 10 rebounds and Reeves' 4 steals.
Linzmeier led the Yellow Jackets with 23 points.
WARHAWKS: 86
The game was really more competitive than the final score would suggest. The first half was a see-saw affair with eight ties and four lead changes. The WARHAWKS held the largest lead at six points, 31-25, with six and half minutes remaining in the half while the Yellow Jackets largest lead was four, 35-31, with about five minutes left. Mary Merg's two free throws with twenty one seconds put the WARHAWKS on top 40-38 when the half ended. The Yellow Jackets shot 52% from the floor to just 40% for the WARHAWKS but the WARHAWKS out scored the Yellow Jackets 7-3 from the charity stripe to hold the lead. Amy Mandrell led all scorers with 14 points while Kaitlyn Thill added 10. Sally Linzmeier paced Superior with 11 points. Abbie Reeves started the second half with a three-pointer extending the WARHAWKS lead to five but the Yellow Jackets would respond and pull to within a single point 45-44 when Linzmeier scored six consecutive points. However that is as close as they would get. With three exceptions the WARHAWKS lead remained in single figures until Katie Burton's three-pointer made the score 76-65 with a little over four minutes left. The lead reached it's high point of fourteen 82-68 with a pair of free throws by Thill and fifty eight seconds to be played.
Mandrell led all scorers with 25 points and added 9 rebounds. Thill also had 9 rebounds and contributed 17 points. Burton (13) and Reeves (10) rounded out the double figure scorers for the WARHAWKS. Thills 5 assists were a game high as were Kristin Ruchti's 10 rebounds and Reeves' 4 steals.
Linzmeier led the Yellow Jackets with 23 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 13, 2014, 11:28:14 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 13, 2014, 11:28:14 AM
WARHAWKS: 83
LaCrosse: 68
The lead went back and forth with seven changes and three ties in the first ten minutes before the WARHAWKS took control scoring six straight to go up 22-16. The Eagles would fight back to within a point, 22-21, but an 18-8 run capped by Riley Stewart's three-pointer gave the WARHAWKS a 40-29 lead at the half. The WARHAWKS struggled from the field shooting only 28% from the floor but went 8-8 from the free throw line and hit six three-pointers to just two for the Eagles. Turnovers were a significant factor in the lead as well with LaCrosse committing 14 to just 5 for the WARHAWKS giving them a 14-5 scoring advantage. The Eagles would get to within ten points early in the second half and the WARHAWKS lead by as many as twenty two at the seven and half minute mark.
Katie Burton led four WARHAWKS who scored in double figures with 18 points going 4-4 from beyond the arc. Kaitlyn Thill added 17 points and had game highs of 9 rebounds, 8 assists and 5 steals. Stewart (12) and Amy Mandrell (11) rounded out the double figure scorers. As a team the WARHAWKS connected on 24 of 28 free throws and pulled down 21 offensive rebounds.
LaCrosse was led by Erin Levenhagen (16) and Mallory Cramer (13).
The win gave the WARHAWKS 20 wins for the seventh consecutive season and secured no worse than a share of the conference's regular season championship.
LaCrosse: 68
The lead went back and forth with seven changes and three ties in the first ten minutes before the WARHAWKS took control scoring six straight to go up 22-16. The Eagles would fight back to within a point, 22-21, but an 18-8 run capped by Riley Stewart's three-pointer gave the WARHAWKS a 40-29 lead at the half. The WARHAWKS struggled from the field shooting only 28% from the floor but went 8-8 from the free throw line and hit six three-pointers to just two for the Eagles. Turnovers were a significant factor in the lead as well with LaCrosse committing 14 to just 5 for the WARHAWKS giving them a 14-5 scoring advantage. The Eagles would get to within ten points early in the second half and the WARHAWKS lead by as many as twenty two at the seven and half minute mark.
Katie Burton led four WARHAWKS who scored in double figures with 18 points going 4-4 from beyond the arc. Kaitlyn Thill added 17 points and had game highs of 9 rebounds, 8 assists and 5 steals. Stewart (12) and Amy Mandrell (11) rounded out the double figure scorers. As a team the WARHAWKS connected on 24 of 28 free throws and pulled down 21 offensive rebounds.
LaCrosse was led by Erin Levenhagen (16) and Mallory Cramer (13).
The win gave the WARHAWKS 20 wins for the seventh consecutive season and secured no worse than a share of the conference's regular season championship.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
WARHAWKS: 64
Oshkosh: 46
The Titans led 9-3 in the opening minutes of the game but the WARHAWKS answered with a 12-2 run and maintained a lead for the rest of the game. The Titans did pull to withing a pair 17-15 with seven and half minutes remaining in the half but once again the WARHAWKS responded with an 8-0 run and the half ended with the WARHAWKS in the lead by six 27-21. Merg led all scorers with 12 points. The WARHAWKS lead reached double figures fat the fourteen minute mark when Kaitlyn Thill's free throws made the score 35-24. The Titans got to within 7 points with fifteen minutes but the WARHAWKS would go on a 23-8 scoring run over the next eight minutes to take their largest lead 54-32.
Merg finished with a game high 18 points while Kristin Ruchti added 14 points and Abbie Reeves chipped in with 10 points. Ruchti and Amy Mandrell each pulled down 7 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill and Katie Burton each had 3 steals. Thill now has 101 steals on the season.
The Titans shot a season low 25% from the floor. Katelyn Kuehl and Kendell Truttman each scored 9 points to lead the Titans. Marissa Selner pulled down a game high 12 rebounds.
The win clinches the regular season conference championship and the #1 seed in the conference tournament.
Oshkosh: 46
The Titans led 9-3 in the opening minutes of the game but the WARHAWKS answered with a 12-2 run and maintained a lead for the rest of the game. The Titans did pull to withing a pair 17-15 with seven and half minutes remaining in the half but once again the WARHAWKS responded with an 8-0 run and the half ended with the WARHAWKS in the lead by six 27-21. Merg led all scorers with 12 points. The WARHAWKS lead reached double figures fat the fourteen minute mark when Kaitlyn Thill's free throws made the score 35-24. The Titans got to within 7 points with fifteen minutes but the WARHAWKS would go on a 23-8 scoring run over the next eight minutes to take their largest lead 54-32.
Merg finished with a game high 18 points while Kristin Ruchti added 14 points and Abbie Reeves chipped in with 10 points. Ruchti and Amy Mandrell each pulled down 7 rebounds. Kaitlyn Thill and Katie Burton each had 3 steals. Thill now has 101 steals on the season.
The Titans shot a season low 25% from the floor. Katelyn Kuehl and Kendell Truttman each scored 9 points to lead the Titans. Marissa Selner pulled down a game high 12 rebounds.
The win clinches the regular season conference championship and the #1 seed in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
EauClaire: 53
WARHAWKS: 73
The BluGolds led for much of the first half gaining their largest lead 13-7 about six and half minutes into the game. With the BluGolds leading by a pair the WARHAWKS closed out the first half with a 13-3 and held a 30-22 lead when it ended. EauClaire got to within six points 34-28 in the first four minutes of the second stanza but would get no closer as the WARHAWKS made a 13-2 run and would never lead by fewer than ten points for the remainder of the game.
Mary Merg led the WARHAWKS with 14 points. Abbie Reeves went 3-4 from beyond the arc and finished with 13 points while Amy Mandrell added 12 and Kristin Ruchti rounded out the double digit scorers with 11 points. Kaitlyn Thill pulled down a game high 7 rebounds and added 3 assists and a game high 3 steals. Reeves finished with a game high 5 assists.
Courtney Lewis led the BluGolds with 14 points. Abbie Mitlien and Kristin Sahr both scored 10 points for EauClaire. Lewis rounded out a double-double pulling down 11 rebounds.
With the win the WARHAWKS became the sixth team in conference history to finish the regular season with a perfect 16-0 record.
WARHAWKS: 73
The BluGolds led for much of the first half gaining their largest lead 13-7 about six and half minutes into the game. With the BluGolds leading by a pair the WARHAWKS closed out the first half with a 13-3 and held a 30-22 lead when it ended. EauClaire got to within six points 34-28 in the first four minutes of the second stanza but would get no closer as the WARHAWKS made a 13-2 run and would never lead by fewer than ten points for the remainder of the game.
Mary Merg led the WARHAWKS with 14 points. Abbie Reeves went 3-4 from beyond the arc and finished with 13 points while Amy Mandrell added 12 and Kristin Ruchti rounded out the double digit scorers with 11 points. Kaitlyn Thill pulled down a game high 7 rebounds and added 3 assists and a game high 3 steals. Reeves finished with a game high 5 assists.
Courtney Lewis led the BluGolds with 14 points. Abbie Mitlien and Kristin Sahr both scored 10 points for EauClaire. Lewis rounded out a double-double pulling down 11 rebounds.
With the win the WARHAWKS became the sixth team in conference history to finish the regular season with a perfect 16-0 record.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
The final week of the regular season is upon us and already teams are on the bubble hoping to qualify for the NCAA national championships and that can also mean some upsets. So tonight, we focus on the bubble and who has to get it done this week in conference tournaments. We will be talking to UW-Stevens Point WBB coach Shirley Egner along with the following guests tonight:
- Rhodes WBB coach Matt Dean
- Emory MBB coach Jason Zimmerman
- Lyndon State MBB coach Joe Krupinski
- Wheaton (MA) WBB coach Melissa Hodgdon
- Ohio Wesleyan WBB coach Stacey Lobdell off their upset of #1 DePauw
- Baruch WBB coach Machli Joseph
- MSOE MBB coach Brian Miller
We will also feature a special #whyd3 story from York (Pa.) women's basketball you have to see.
Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run until at least 9:30 tonight.
You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb23 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)
Don't forget you can ask us or our guests questions via social media:
- Twitter (@d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) and #Hoopsville)
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Thanks and enjoy the show!
- Rhodes WBB coach Matt Dean
- Emory MBB coach Jason Zimmerman
- Lyndon State MBB coach Joe Krupinski
- Wheaton (MA) WBB coach Melissa Hodgdon
- Ohio Wesleyan WBB coach Stacey Lobdell off their upset of #1 DePauw
- Baruch WBB coach Machli Joseph
- MSOE MBB coach Brian Miller
We will also feature a special #whyd3 story from York (Pa.) women's basketball you have to see.
Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run until at least 9:30 tonight.
You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb23 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)
Don't forget you can ask us or our guests questions via social media:
- Twitter (@d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) and #Hoopsville)
- Facebook (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville))
- Email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com)
Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
The conference tournament pairings are final.
Tuesday, February 25
First Round
WARHAWKS (#1) - Bye
UW-Oshkosh (#2) - Bye
UW-Superior (#5) at UW-Stout (#4), 7 p.m.
UW-Platteville (#6) at UW-Stevens Point (#3), 7 p.m.
Tuesday, February 25
First Round
WARHAWKS (#1) - Bye
UW-Oshkosh (#2) - Bye
UW-Superior (#5) at UW-Stout (#4), 7 p.m.
UW-Platteville (#6) at UW-Stevens Point (#3), 7 p.m.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 25, 2014, 03:09:43 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 25, 2014, 03:09:43 PM
I don't see how Whitewater can lose this tournament. They seem to be playing better recently and really steamrolling anyone in their way. As a longtime Pointer fan, I'm hoping that they can quickly turn things around and get hot for at least a week, as they've done the last few years. Realistically, I think there's a very good chance that the Warhawks could be calling the Quandt "home" for the Final 4 in a few weeks. I hope that the WIAC fans will show up and support any WIAC team thats fortunate to make it that far. It could be a great March weekend both here and in Salem.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
All it takes is an off night and things can go south in a hurry.
It's likely that the only way Point makes the post season is by winning the conference's automatic bid and Shirley has a way of getting her team to respond to pressure like that so it wouldn't surprise me if they were to rise to the occassion.
I'm looking forward to the Final Four being this close to home and more than likely will take in at least the first night whether it includes WARHAWKS or not.
It's likely that the only way Point makes the post season is by winning the conference's automatic bid and Shirley has a way of getting her team to respond to pressure like that so it wouldn't surprise me if they were to rise to the occassion.
I'm looking forward to the Final Four being this close to home and more than likely will take in at least the first night whether it includes WARHAWKS or not.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
Point drills Platteville 77-61 behind Alyssa Olp's 18 points. Linzmeier goes off for 32 and Superior gets past Stout 86-81. Oshkosh hosts Point and the WARHAWKS host Superior in the semifinals Thursday night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 26, 2014, 02:05:14 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 26, 2014, 02:05:14 PM
Point's postseason basically began last night with their win over the Pioneers. Shirley said Olp played her best game in 4 years. Point came out on a mission and led 19-4 less than 6 minutes into the game. They increased it to 26 points and saw it dwindle to 8 in the 2nd half before building it up again. This team can be a factor, as it had chances to beat Oshkosh twice - an OT loss and 4 point loss - and played WW tough for 32 minutes before going ice cold the last 8 minutes. If they can continue to play with the emotion I saw last night (and make free throws) I'm looking forward to Thursday and hopefully Saturday. BW, why do I feel that I am posting this only for you?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 26, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
I'm just glad that I'm not posting to myself anymore. I don't know what happened to everyone who used to hang out here but you're presence is a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
No, I always read. I just don't see enough games to make many observations.
Whoever that was that predicated Platteville would win the conference should come back. That didn't happen, but UWP clearly made some big strides this season.
Whoever that was that predicated Platteville would win the conference should come back. That didn't happen, but UWP clearly made some big strides this season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 26, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
Post by: BanditUWSP on February 26, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
My favorite Pointer sports week of the year...I'll be at all BB and fill in with hockey
Tuesday...Womens BB
Thursday...Womens BB at Oshkosh. Fan bus for $10
Friday...Mens BB, Mens hockey, Womens hockey - All in Point at 7 PM >:(
Saturday...Mens Hockey & Womens hockey in Point. Womens BB??? Point or WW ???
Sunday...Mens BB?? vs. WW? Battle of 1 vs. 2?
So many sports, yet so little time.
Tuesday...Womens BB
Thursday...Womens BB at Oshkosh. Fan bus for $10
Friday...Mens BB, Mens hockey, Womens hockey - All in Point at 7 PM >:(
Saturday...Mens Hockey & Womens hockey in Point. Womens BB??? Point or WW ???
Sunday...Mens BB?? vs. WW? Battle of 1 vs. 2?
So many sports, yet so little time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ShineTime on February 27, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
Post by: ShineTime on February 27, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
Point got crushed as did whitewater who saw that coming?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 28, 2014, 06:35:41 AM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 28, 2014, 06:35:41 AM
UWS rises. Like a snowbank out of the north. Congratulations to Don Mulhern and his team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2014, 09:34:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2014, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
All it takes is an off night and things can go south in a hurry.
Losing was bad enough but losing in the manner in which we did was embarrassing. The Yellow Jackets outplayed us in every way imaginable. Nothing to do now but wait and see if the body of our work has been good enough to get us into the NCAA postseason.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 28, 2014, 09:34:58 AMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on February 25, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
All it takes is an off night and things can go south in a hurry.
Losing was bad enough but losing in the manner in which we did was embarrassing. The Yellow Jackets outplayed us in every way imaginable. Nothing to do now but wait and see if the body of our work has been good enough to get us into the NCAA postseason.
Yeah, I couldn't believe how the UWW-UWS game went down. I don't think there's any way UWW doesn't get a bid to the NCAAs. Win percentage and SOS is just too high.
Gotta be the biggest win in Superior women's basketball history. Or at least the last 20 years.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on February 28, 2014, 11:55:16 AM
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on February 28, 2014, 11:55:16 AM
Congrats to Don and UW Superior. I have been to two games this year and I am thinking they have finally brought it all together. The exiting thing for them is most of the team returns next year. If they can shoot anywhere close to last night they have chance on Saturday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
So if Superior completes the Cinderella thing and wins the WIAC, do both Whitewater and Oshkosh get in as Pool C's? I think Whitewater is a lock. Oshkosh is going to be a REALLY interesting conversation if they can't win the automatic bid.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on February 28, 2014, 02:29:25 PM
Post by: MinnesotaBoy on February 28, 2014, 02:29:25 PM
Yes, with Oshkosh's strength of schedule it could be iffy. Would like to think they still get in with 4 losses.
Is the conference seen as a little down this year?
Is the conference seen as a little down this year?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 28, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on February 28, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
Superior has been playing two kinds of basketball in just about every game: one half very good, one half very mediocre. Sometimes it was the first half, sometimes the second. Too much reliance on Sally to carry the team too often--or just to spark a comeback. Last night was the first game they put all of it together, playing a full game with contributions from multiple players. Honest to god, I waited for them to slink off in the second half. When they didn't, I thought, "Finally." Superior has some very good freshmen, some very capable sophomores. If they can just fire on all cylinders reliably, they could be very, very hard to beat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2014, 06:00:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2014, 06:00:36 PM
Superior's run comes up one game short. Titans win 75-69.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 14, 2014, 06:36:29 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 14, 2014, 06:36:29 PM
Let's get these seniors graduated and out of here.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 16, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 16, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
Tonight on Hoopsville we will recap the sectional weekend of basketball action and start previewing the championship weekend in Salem, Vir. and Stevens Point, Wis. Here are the guests you will hear from tonight:
- Williams head coach Mike Maker and senior center Mike Mayer
- Illinois Wesleyan head coach Ron Rose
- UW-Whitewater siblings Alex and Mary Merg
- Tufts senior forward Liz Moynihan
Pat Coleman will also join us to talk about what he saw this weekend and the tournament so far and we will announce the All-Region teams!
Show starts at 7 PM ET and will run until about 9:00 tonight.
You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/mar16 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)
Don't forget you can ask us or our guests questions via social media:
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Thanks and enjoy the show!
- Williams head coach Mike Maker and senior center Mike Mayer
- Illinois Wesleyan head coach Ron Rose
- UW-Whitewater siblings Alex and Mary Merg
- Tufts senior forward Liz Moynihan
Pat Coleman will also join us to talk about what he saw this weekend and the tournament so far and we will announce the All-Region teams!
Show starts at 7 PM ET and will run until about 9:00 tonight.
You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/mar16 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan12)
Don't forget you can ask us or our guests questions via social media:
- Twitter (@d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) and #Hoopsville)
- Facebook (www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville))
- Email (hoopsville@d3hoops.com)
Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Congrats to Sally Linzmeier and Kaitlyn Thill (first team), Sarah Stecker (second team), Katelyn Kuehl and Alyssa Krajco (third team) on their selection to the All Central Region team. And congrats to Brad Fischer who was selected as the Central Region Coach of the Year.
Voice of the Titans, the problem wasn't the seniors the problem was the person coaching them.
Voice of the Titans, the problem wasn't the seniors the problem was the person coaching them.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bleedpurple on March 23, 2014, 06:40:47 AM
Post by: bleedpurple on March 23, 2014, 06:40:47 AM
Congratulations to the UW-W women's team on a fantastic season! Also, huge congrats to Coach Carollo who became the school's all-time winningest women's basketball coach! Way to go!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 01, 2014, 03:06:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 01, 2014, 03:06:32 PM
Thill's jersey to hang in Women's Hall of Fame Ring of Honor.
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2014/5/1/WBB_0501143244.aspx
Way, way cool. What an incredible honor for a WIAC and WARHAWK athlete.
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2014/5/1/WBB_0501143244.aspx
Way, way cool. What an incredible honor for a WIAC and WARHAWK athlete.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 24, 2014, 12:09:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 24, 2014, 12:09:15 PM
UW-WHITEWATER'S Kaitlyn Thill has been named to the Womens Basketball Coaches Association's All American first team. Superior's Sally Linzmeier and WHITEWATER'S Amy Mandrell were honorable mention selections.
http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2014/3/20/Player-of-the-Year-Finalists-headline-the-2014-WBCA-Division-III-Coaches-AllAmerica-Team/
http://www.wbca.org/blog/index.cfm/2014/3/20/Player-of-the-Year-Finalists-headline-the-2014-WBCA-Division-III-Coaches-AllAmerica-Team/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 21, 2014, 11:37:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 21, 2014, 11:37:35 AM
The WARHAWKS have 28 players practicing. Many of them are new faces. With a group that large two things are certain. One, I would need them to wear name tags to know who they are. Two, there will be some players cut and/or grayshirted. We've lost a lot of points, rebounds and defense so it will be interesting to see how the staff compensates and what the team will look like. Obviously it's unlikely we'll change anything about our style of play but new faces are going to have to step up for the season to be successful.
GO WARHAWKS!
GO WARHAWKS!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 27, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 27, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
Having cut eight players the WARHAWKS posted roster for the 2014-15 season stands at twenty athletes. Of the twenty, ten are freshman, six are Sophomores and four are Juniors. There are no Seniors on this year's roster. Thirteen of the twenty are new to the program and Lisa Palmer returns after missing last year with an injury.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on October 31, 2014, 01:21:54 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on October 31, 2014, 01:21:54 PM
Love the pre-season Top 25 poll! Let's party like it's 1999!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 06, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 06, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
2014-15 Preseason Predictions--Voted on by WIAC Head Coaches and Sports Information Directors
2013-14 Record
1. UW-Oshkosh 26-4 overall, 13-3 WIAC
2. UW-Whitewater 27-5, 16-0
3. UW-Stevens Point 17-10, 9-7
4. UW-Superior 16-12, 7-9
5. UW-Platteville 13-13, 7-9
6. UW-Eau Claire 7-18, 5-11
7. UW-Stout 11-15, 7-9
8. UW-La Crosse 10-15, 4-12
9. UW-River Falls 6-19, 4-12
The Titans will be tough but two teams that may surprise people are Superior and Stout. I think both are going to have pretty decent seasons. The WARHAWKS are incredibly young and will need to have some of the newcomers step up and contribute.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 10, 2014, 08:05:24 PM
Post by: JMM on November 10, 2014, 08:05:24 PM
Concur on Stout. They have most folks back and looked real good at the end of the season, hustle hustle. Think they will go far unless the coach only lets players play 1/2 time as in the past. Here are my predictions:
UWW (karma karma karma)
UW Stout (Coach Mark, just let them play)
UWSP (love that Shirley)
UWOSH (I know, I know but I don't see it)
UWEC (some pretty good seniors and juniors and more height should see great defense again)
UWSUP (It's already cold and dark up there which tends to numb the momentum, Can you win with just one fantastic player?)
UWRF (could move up - showed potential at times last year and Coach likes to win)
UWPL
UWLAX
UWW (karma karma karma)
UW Stout (Coach Mark, just let them play)
UWSP (love that Shirley)
UWOSH (I know, I know but I don't see it)
UWEC (some pretty good seniors and juniors and more height should see great defense again)
UWSUP (It's already cold and dark up there which tends to numb the momentum, Can you win with just one fantastic player?)
UWRF (could move up - showed potential at times last year and Coach likes to win)
UWPL
UWLAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 11, 2014, 04:41:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 11, 2014, 04:41:47 PM
D3hoops.com's pre-season All American team features three WIAC athletes. Superior's Sally Linzmeier was named to the second team. Platteville's Alyssa Krojco was a fourth team designee and Oshkosh's Katelyn Kuehl was an honorable mention selection.
To view the entire list: http://d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2015
To view the entire list: http://d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/women/preseason-2015
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 12, 2014, 09:33:11 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 12, 2014, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 17, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Congrats to Sally Linzmeier and Kaitlyn Thill (first team), Sarah Stecker (second team), Katelyn Kuehl and Alyssa Krajco (third team) on their selection to the All Central Region team. And congrats to Brad Fischer who was selected as the Central Region Coach of the Year.
Voice of the Titans, the problem wasn't the seniors the problem was the person coaching them.
My quote here was in reference to UWW's seniors. Didn't want to go up against them anymore! :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2014, 10:22:16 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2014, 10:22:16 AM
My bad, I misunderstood your meaning. That may have been one of the best class of seniors in our program's history. We'll miss them big time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
The WARHAWKS open the season with a convincing 86-68 win over U of Chicago. A 29-19 advantage in points off of turnovers, 17-2 advantage on second chance points and 30-17 point spread from the charity stripe spelled the difference. Led by Abby Reeves (8) the WARHAWKS out rebounded the Maroons 46-29 including 21 to 2 on the offensive end. Riley Stewart (20), Reeves (19) and new comers Kate McKay (12) and Andrea Meinert (11) all scored in double figures. Freshman Brooke Trewyn led the WARHAWKS with 4 assists and 4 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2014, 04:02:57 PM
Post by: JMM on November 17, 2014, 04:02:57 PM
Caught the EC season kick off games at Zorn. Both OSH and EC looked very good. While it took EC a while to get going with Coe, they won without any difficulty. OSH was pestered by many ref calls but won going away against Coe as well. Both severely dominated Hamline. Just some thoughts. OSH looked very good against Hamline - what you would expect from a highly ranked team. Due to super tight ref calls and Coe's inside size, OSH seemed to struggle some during the game. Wondered if OSH is a little one dimensional - paint/underneath only. Seemed to struggle some on the outside. Wondered how effective OSH would be if their underneath game was taken away. EC struggled some against Coe, particularly in the first half after EC jumped out to a good lead. They did take over in the second half. EC looked their best in several years against Hamline. What was really notable was 4-5 quality underneath players. Patient, controlled and hard to score against. The outside was also strong 4-5 solid players Saar, Lewis, Lichtfuss, Midtlien and a freshman LaCroix. I believe EC may be a true contender in the WIAC. Looked like LAX, UWW had good weekends. Stout struggled at 0-2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 19, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on November 19, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
Oshkosh struggled in the early going yesterday, getting down 11-2 as Viterbo got some good post looks and Oshkosh missed a few chippies. But, in November, my car even takes a little bit of time to get going, and Oshkosh cruised 90-44. A lot of balance in this game and great contributions from the bench. Looks to be an exciting year!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 10:39:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2014, 10:39:09 AM
Elmhurst: 63
WARHAWKS: 60
A close loss in game that we probably should have won. Both halves had a similar flow. In the first one the WARHAWKS built a ten point lead 29-19 with alittle over five minutes remaining. However Elmhurst closed the half with a 12-5 run to make it 34-31 when the horn sounded. In the second half the WARHAWKS built a twelve point lead 49-37 in the first six and half minutes. Elmhurst then outscored us 17-5 over the next ten minutes or so and took a lead on a three pointer with four and half minutes remaining. The game stayed close and was tied 60-60 with a minute and half remaining. The WARHAWKS missed their final three shots and Elmhurst made three free throws for the win. Free throws made the difference as the BlueJays went 13-13 in the second half while the WARHAWKS got to the line only three times (2-3). Abbie Reeves went 5-6 from beyond the arc and finished with a game high 19 points. Lisa Palmer pulled down 7 rebounds and added 3 assists and a pair of blocks and steals. Brooke Trewyn also had 7 rebounds in a reserve role.
The WARHAWKS next three games are tough ones against George Fox, DePauw and Illinois Wesleyan. All three games are road games though the first two are being played in Milwaukee.
WARHAWKS: 60
A close loss in game that we probably should have won. Both halves had a similar flow. In the first one the WARHAWKS built a ten point lead 29-19 with alittle over five minutes remaining. However Elmhurst closed the half with a 12-5 run to make it 34-31 when the horn sounded. In the second half the WARHAWKS built a twelve point lead 49-37 in the first six and half minutes. Elmhurst then outscored us 17-5 over the next ten minutes or so and took a lead on a three pointer with four and half minutes remaining. The game stayed close and was tied 60-60 with a minute and half remaining. The WARHAWKS missed their final three shots and Elmhurst made three free throws for the win. Free throws made the difference as the BlueJays went 13-13 in the second half while the WARHAWKS got to the line only three times (2-3). Abbie Reeves went 5-6 from beyond the arc and finished with a game high 19 points. Lisa Palmer pulled down 7 rebounds and added 3 assists and a pair of blocks and steals. Brooke Trewyn also had 7 rebounds in a reserve role.
The WARHAWKS next three games are tough ones against George Fox, DePauw and Illinois Wesleyan. All three games are road games though the first two are being played in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BruinFan on November 21, 2014, 09:32:23 AM
Post by: BruinFan on November 21, 2014, 09:32:23 AM
George Fox from the Northwest Conference has made the trip out to Wisconsin. I'm looking forward to the match-up with UWW and hope the Bruins compete well in this early season match-up. Always great when teams make the effort from strong conferences to play each other.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2014, 09:38:43 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2014, 09:38:43 AM
George Fox: 74
WARHAWKS: 56
Starting two freshman, a sophomore and two juniors the WARHAWKS stayed close for the first eight minutes of the game before George Fox made a run and opened up a double digit lead. The two teams stayed within ten points or so of each other for the rest of the half which ended with George Fox up 39-29. A 21-4 run by George Fox opened up a 25 point lead in the second half and 16 points is the closest the WARHAWKS would get the rest of the way.
Abbie Reeves and Kate Mckay each scored 12 points to lead the WARHAWKS in scoring. Andrea Mienert added 10 points. Lisa Palmer (11) and Brooke Trewyn (10) had double digit rebounds as the team out rebounded George Fox 52-34. As a team the WARHAWKS had only 4 assists while turning the ball over 20 times.
It doesn't get any easier today as the team will face 2012 National Champion DePauw. Illinois Wesleyan and Oshkosh follow.
WARHAWKS: 56
Starting two freshman, a sophomore and two juniors the WARHAWKS stayed close for the first eight minutes of the game before George Fox made a run and opened up a double digit lead. The two teams stayed within ten points or so of each other for the rest of the half which ended with George Fox up 39-29. A 21-4 run by George Fox opened up a 25 point lead in the second half and 16 points is the closest the WARHAWKS would get the rest of the way.
Abbie Reeves and Kate Mckay each scored 12 points to lead the WARHAWKS in scoring. Andrea Mienert added 10 points. Lisa Palmer (11) and Brooke Trewyn (10) had double digit rebounds as the team out rebounded George Fox 52-34. As a team the WARHAWKS had only 4 assists while turning the ball over 20 times.
It doesn't get any easier today as the team will face 2012 National Champion DePauw. Illinois Wesleyan and Oshkosh follow.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 22, 2014, 09:48:51 PM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 22, 2014, 09:48:51 PM
DePauw 63
#14 UW-Whitewater 54
Final
DePauw escapes Milwaukee with 2 close wins (they narrowly won against host WLC 69-68 last night). UW-W falls to 1-3 and could very well drop out of the top 25 after this weekend.
#14 UW-Whitewater 54
Final
DePauw escapes Milwaukee with 2 close wins (they narrowly won against host WLC 69-68 last night). UW-W falls to 1-3 and could very well drop out of the top 25 after this weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2014, 01:06:51 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2014, 01:06:51 PM
The WARHAWKS opened the scoring with a three point basket by Brooke Trewyn and held a lead which peaked at 8 points for the entire first half. The lead stood at 5 27-22 when the half ended. The WARAHWKS were able to maintain the lead for the first five minutes of the second half when DePauw took the lead on a layup and built it to a high of twelve points with just under eight minutes to play. The WARHAWKS could get no closer than five points after that. Each team had 20 baskets and the WARHAWKS had one more three point basket but Depauw was 20-24 from the free throw line while the WARHAWKS were only 10-17. Andrea Meinert finished with 15 points and Kate McKay added 11. Lisa Palmer had a team high 8 rebounds. Reilly Stewart had a pair of assists and steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
Looks like a bumpy start for UWW. I think by the end of the WIAC Year, they will still be in the hunt for an NCAA bid. Do appreciate UWO national ranking and 4 and 0 record. Having seen them play twice in EC, I am still not a believer. Recognize they are really good and will win many games. I think if you shut the lanes and the underneath attack, they will have some problems. We will see. Glad to see RF off to a good start. Will need to look at Stout stats to see if the coach is letting his best layers stay in or if he continues to platoon and aalso pulling people if they make a mistake. Seems like 6th grade ball to me when he does that... EC has sown promise. Should have beaten Winona and let St Mary's get far away after an early big lead. St. Norberts will be a good test for the Blugold. I look for a win at home.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2014, 10:55:09 PM
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2014, 10:55:09 PM
EC had no trouble with number 24 St. Norberts winning by 13. EC took away the underneath game from the Green Knights and had a pretty well rounded scoring attack. EC again entered it's "mid first half funk" but luckily played through it and ended the half with a 7 point led. It's that funk that cost them the Winona and St. Mary's Game. EC goes into the "horse latitudes" for about 6-7 minutes usually with about 12 minutes left in the half. Once there it is a struggle to undo the damage. Anyhow,in spite of the funk, they played very well tonight and as usual the defense was excellent. EC could really be a contender if they can keep focused for 40 minutes. I believe coach Englund sees the issue and is working on it. Going to be a different type of year in the WIAC with UWSP and UWW in a building year. Good opportunity for the Blugolds to have another run at the regular season championship. They need a little more confidence and mental focus. Time will tell.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2014, 10:04:06 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 26, 2014, 10:04:06 AM
WARHAWKS: 75
Illinois Wesleyan U: 72
Lisa Palmer pulls down 18 rebounds scores 13 points including 6-6 from the free throw line in the game's final two minutes and leads the team to a much needed victory. Palmer was 4-4 from the line in the final twelve seconds. The WARHAWKS scored first and a nine point run gave us the early lead. But both teams kept the score close throughout the half and the lead changed hands five times. When it ended the score was 41-35 WARHAWKS. IWU rallied in the second half and built a lead up to nine points and still held a five point lead with a minute remaining. Freshman Brooke Trewyn scored five consecutive points to tie the game at 71 but IWU quickly went back up by a point. From that point on it was Palmer from the free throw line.
Trewyn: 14 points, 7 rebounds
Abby Reeves: 10 points, 5 rebounds
Kate McKay: 8 points, 8 rebounds
WARHAWKS out rebound IWU 53-35 and outscore the Titans 21-9 on second chances. Free throws also played a part WW: 21-26, IWU: 13-32.
Things don't get much easier as we await the arrival of the Titans from Oshkosh Wednesday night. This has been a tough stretch of the schedule for a young team. After blowing one we could have won against Elmhurst it was nice to get one that we could have lost. I do think that the younger players going through these early games should be a benefit as the season progresses.
Illinois Wesleyan U: 72
Lisa Palmer pulls down 18 rebounds scores 13 points including 6-6 from the free throw line in the game's final two minutes and leads the team to a much needed victory. Palmer was 4-4 from the line in the final twelve seconds. The WARHAWKS scored first and a nine point run gave us the early lead. But both teams kept the score close throughout the half and the lead changed hands five times. When it ended the score was 41-35 WARHAWKS. IWU rallied in the second half and built a lead up to nine points and still held a five point lead with a minute remaining. Freshman Brooke Trewyn scored five consecutive points to tie the game at 71 but IWU quickly went back up by a point. From that point on it was Palmer from the free throw line.
Trewyn: 14 points, 7 rebounds
Abby Reeves: 10 points, 5 rebounds
Kate McKay: 8 points, 8 rebounds
WARHAWKS out rebound IWU 53-35 and outscore the Titans 21-9 on second chances. Free throws also played a part WW: 21-26, IWU: 13-32.
Things don't get much easier as we await the arrival of the Titans from Oshkosh Wednesday night. This has been a tough stretch of the schedule for a young team. After blowing one we could have won against Elmhurst it was nice to get one that we could have lost. I do think that the younger players going through these early games should be a benefit as the season progresses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 29, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
Post by: gbpuckfan on November 29, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
Titans travel to De Pere and get beat, soundly, by SNC. Final: 62-50
UWO shot just 34% from the field, while the Knights shot 51%
UWO shot just 34% from the field, while the Knights shot 51%
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2014, 10:33:39 AM
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2014, 10:33:39 AM
Really think UWOSH is super-vulnerable when the defense takes away their ability to shoot underneath. Watching the game via stream last night it was obvious UWOSH is lacking in shooting from around the key and the 3 pt line. We will see if they can improve in that aspect of their game, otherwise not long for the top 25. Bigger news of the night was EC blowing a 19 point lead with 15 minutes left. EC has exceptional talent inside and out. Coaches ability to manage the game may be an area for improvement. Third game this year, EC has had substantial lead and blew the win. Something about letting momentum slip away, knowing when to call time out to regroup and careful substitution. Should call timeout before the damage is done. Fundamentals and not defending the 3 at critical times has hurt the team when in the lead. Good to see number 22 is starting for EC, It really has helped the effort. The WIAC is wide open this year. Still think UWW will take it. Also think RF will do much better than expected. EC has the talent to win but seems to be lacking something in terms of consistency and mentally keeping in the game. Surprised at Stouts record.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2014, 07:42:03 PM
Post by: JMM on November 30, 2014, 07:42:03 PM
Took in the Stout and Dubuque game. Dubuque look very good both inside, outside and on defense. Stout while full of hustle simply did not shoot the ball well. Might be another long year for the team from Menomonie.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 04, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
Oshkosh: 72
WARHAWKS: 58
The Titans opened the game hot from floor making 14 or their first 18 shots and taking a nine point lead 21-12 in the first nine minutes. With the Titans leading by ten 31-21 and three minutes remaining the WARHAWKS closed the gap to three points before the Titans hit the last basket of the half and led by five, 35-30. The Titans started the second half just as hot as the first hitting their first seven shots and increasing the lead to 47-36. After the lead hovered around ten points for the next nine or so minutes the WARHAWKS made a run and pulled to within four points, 60-56, with three and half minutes remaining but the Titans responded with a seven point spurt of their own and scored their final eight points from the free throw line.
Freshman Brooke Trewyn continues to develop with 17 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals all of which were team highs. Another freshman, Kate McKay, scored in double figures with 10 points.
Titans: Taylor Schmidt 17 points, 3 assists. Alex Richard 14 points, 7 rebounds. Ashley Neustifter 10 points.
With such a young team we don't seem to have a leader.
WARHAWKS: 58
The Titans opened the game hot from floor making 14 or their first 18 shots and taking a nine point lead 21-12 in the first nine minutes. With the Titans leading by ten 31-21 and three minutes remaining the WARHAWKS closed the gap to three points before the Titans hit the last basket of the half and led by five, 35-30. The Titans started the second half just as hot as the first hitting their first seven shots and increasing the lead to 47-36. After the lead hovered around ten points for the next nine or so minutes the WARHAWKS made a run and pulled to within four points, 60-56, with three and half minutes remaining but the Titans responded with a seven point spurt of their own and scored their final eight points from the free throw line.
Freshman Brooke Trewyn continues to develop with 17 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals all of which were team highs. Another freshman, Kate McKay, scored in double figures with 10 points.
Titans: Taylor Schmidt 17 points, 3 assists. Alex Richard 14 points, 7 rebounds. Ashley Neustifter 10 points.
With such a young team we don't seem to have a leader.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 07, 2014, 02:40:50 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 07, 2014, 02:40:50 PM
Platteville: 90
WARHAWKS: 84
The WARHAWKS got the first two baskets but the Pioneers responded with a 10-3 run and eventually stretched the lead to double figures before Andrea Olson converted an old fashioned three point play making it 43-36 Platteville at the half. Platteville maintained a lead that ranged from 4 to 12 points in the first thirteen minutes of the second half. The WARHAWKS got to within three points on three occasions in the game's final four minutes but couldn't get over the hump. The Poineers sank 13 of 14 free throw attempts in the final minute and half to seal the deal.
Abbie Reeves: 18 points
Andrea Olson: 14 points
Mia Smith: 12 points
Jaya Perkins: 11 points
Lisa Palmer: 13 rebounds
Platteville, led by Stacy Clark and Alyssa Krajco who scored 22 points apiece, finished 24-27 from the charity stripe.
WARHAWKS: 84
The WARHAWKS got the first two baskets but the Pioneers responded with a 10-3 run and eventually stretched the lead to double figures before Andrea Olson converted an old fashioned three point play making it 43-36 Platteville at the half. Platteville maintained a lead that ranged from 4 to 12 points in the first thirteen minutes of the second half. The WARHAWKS got to within three points on three occasions in the game's final four minutes but couldn't get over the hump. The Poineers sank 13 of 14 free throw attempts in the final minute and half to seal the deal.
Abbie Reeves: 18 points
Andrea Olson: 14 points
Mia Smith: 12 points
Jaya Perkins: 11 points
Lisa Palmer: 13 rebounds
Platteville, led by Stacy Clark and Alyssa Krajco who scored 22 points apiece, finished 24-27 from the charity stripe.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 11, 2014, 09:25:34 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 11, 2014, 09:25:34 AM
Nice game by UWO last night at Kolf. Got out to an early lead and was able to keep it at 15 for most of the 2nd half, until Mykaela Brandt went on an 8-0 run by herself to cut a 17 point lead to 9 with about 6 to play. Great defensive effort to hold Krajco to 9 and 6 for the night, and a very solid game by Taylor Schmidt (except for the 5 TO's....that needs to get cut a little).
Anyone else noticing that with the new hand check rules that lower body contact (and by contact, I mean contact that would result in a 2-minute minor in hockey) is being let go by officials? Could just be me, but there was a ton of it on both sides last night. Has got to make it tough to coach when you don't know what's going to get a whistle out there.
Anyone else noticing that with the new hand check rules that lower body contact (and by contact, I mean contact that would result in a 2-minute minor in hockey) is being let go by officials? Could just be me, but there was a ton of it on both sides last night. Has got to make it tough to coach when you don't know what's going to get a whistle out there.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
#9 Wheaton: 63
WARHAWKS: 66
After Wheaton had an early lead the WARHAWKS went on top 11-8 about five minutes into the game and held a lead which reached a high of seven points twice before Wheaton regained the lead 26-24 on a pair of free throws with five and half minutes remaining. Wheaton held the lead, which reached a high of eleven points twice, until the half ended with Brooke Trewyn's jumper cutting the deficit to nine 39-30. Wheaton built the lead back to eleven early in the second half but the WARHAWKS generally kept the deficit within single digits. With five minutes to play in the game Emily Jensen completed an old fashioned three point play and gave the WARHAWKS their first lead, 62-61, since early in the game. After Wheaton tied the game Trewyn sank another jumper giving the WARHAWKS a lead, 64-62, that they would hold for the remainder of the game. The two teams combined to score just three points in the game's final 4:18.
Lisa Palmer: 14 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block & 1 steal
Brooke Trewyn: 14 points
Emily Jensen: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block
Each team made 24 baskets though Wheaton had 63 attempts to the WARHAWKS 46. Each team hit 13 free throws. The difference in the game was three point baskets where the WARHAWKS out shot the Thunder 5-2.
A good win against a pretty good team. It wasn't pretty as the two teams combined to miss seven shots, six free throws and turned the ball over seven times in the final 4:18. But it was a W and we needed that.
WARHAWKS: 66
After Wheaton had an early lead the WARHAWKS went on top 11-8 about five minutes into the game and held a lead which reached a high of seven points twice before Wheaton regained the lead 26-24 on a pair of free throws with five and half minutes remaining. Wheaton held the lead, which reached a high of eleven points twice, until the half ended with Brooke Trewyn's jumper cutting the deficit to nine 39-30. Wheaton built the lead back to eleven early in the second half but the WARHAWKS generally kept the deficit within single digits. With five minutes to play in the game Emily Jensen completed an old fashioned three point play and gave the WARHAWKS their first lead, 62-61, since early in the game. After Wheaton tied the game Trewyn sank another jumper giving the WARHAWKS a lead, 64-62, that they would hold for the remainder of the game. The two teams combined to score just three points in the game's final 4:18.
Lisa Palmer: 14 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block & 1 steal
Brooke Trewyn: 14 points
Emily Jensen: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block
Each team made 24 baskets though Wheaton had 63 attempts to the WARHAWKS 46. Each team hit 13 free throws. The difference in the game was three point baskets where the WARHAWKS out shot the Thunder 5-2.
A good win against a pretty good team. It wasn't pretty as the two teams combined to miss seven shots, six free throws and turned the ball over seven times in the final 4:18. But it was a W and we needed that.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 11, 2014, 02:12:19 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 11, 2014, 02:12:19 PM
Definitely a big win for WW and the WIAC!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2014, 10:12:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 19, 2014, 10:12:23 AM
WARHAWKS: 93
Illinois Institute of Technology: 36
The WARHAWKSopened the game with a 20-0 run over the first five minutes of the game and led 53-18 at the half. Sixteen of eighteen WARHAWKS who played scored points led by Riley Stewart's 19. The WARHAWKS hit a season high 10 three point baskets, committed a season low 9 turnovers and won the battle on the boards 47-31. IIT was held to 26% from the floor.
Illinois Institute of Technology: 36
The WARHAWKSopened the game with a 20-0 run over the first five minutes of the game and led 53-18 at the half. Sixteen of eighteen WARHAWKS who played scored points led by Riley Stewart's 19. The WARHAWKS hit a season high 10 three point baskets, committed a season low 9 turnovers and won the battle on the boards 47-31. IIT was held to 26% from the floor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2014, 10:39:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2014, 10:39:02 AM
Dubuque: 65
WARHAWKS: 57
A layup by Abbie Reeves to open the scoring turned out to be the only lead the WARHAWKS would have in the game. Shooting a frigid 26% from the floor and getting outscored 24-6 in the paint the WARHAWKS fell behind by as many as thirteen points and trailed 36-25 at the half. Dubuque pushed the lead to sixteen points in the first minute of the second half and still led by double digits for the first five minutes. Trailing by nine, 58-49, with a little over three and half minutes remaining Reeves converted back to back three point possessions cutting the deficit to three points but back to back turnovers prevented the WARHAWKS from getting any closer before the game ended.
Despite outrebounding the Spartans 50-33, including 23-12 on the offensive glass, the WARHAWKS were dominated in the paint (40-16) and outscored 65-17 off the bench while shooting a season low 32%.
Abbie Reeves: 17 points, 7 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 15 points, 2 assists
Lisa Palmer: 9 rebounds
Maddie Bare: 7 points, 6 rebounds off the bench
WARHAWKS: 57
A layup by Abbie Reeves to open the scoring turned out to be the only lead the WARHAWKS would have in the game. Shooting a frigid 26% from the floor and getting outscored 24-6 in the paint the WARHAWKS fell behind by as many as thirteen points and trailed 36-25 at the half. Dubuque pushed the lead to sixteen points in the first minute of the second half and still led by double digits for the first five minutes. Trailing by nine, 58-49, with a little over three and half minutes remaining Reeves converted back to back three point possessions cutting the deficit to three points but back to back turnovers prevented the WARHAWKS from getting any closer before the game ended.
Despite outrebounding the Spartans 50-33, including 23-12 on the offensive glass, the WARHAWKS were dominated in the paint (40-16) and outscored 65-17 off the bench while shooting a season low 32%.
Abbie Reeves: 17 points, 7 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 15 points, 2 assists
Lisa Palmer: 9 rebounds
Maddie Bare: 7 points, 6 rebounds off the bench
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
Bethany Lutheran: 45
WARHAWKS: 71
The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 7-2 run and finished the first half on an 8-0 run and leading 32-15. Freshman Brooke Trewyn hit four straight three pointers as the WARHAWKS opened the second stanza with a 14-0 run. Sophomore Andrea Olson's three pointer with twelve minutes remaining made the score 56-23 and created the largest lead of the game. Trewyn hit 5 of 6 three point shots and finished with 16 points.
WARHAWKS: 71
The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 7-2 run and finished the first half on an 8-0 run and leading 32-15. Freshman Brooke Trewyn hit four straight three pointers as the WARHAWKS opened the second stanza with a 14-0 run. Sophomore Andrea Olson's three pointer with twelve minutes remaining made the score 56-23 and created the largest lead of the game. Trewyn hit 5 of 6 three point shots and finished with 16 points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2015, 10:16:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 03, 2015, 10:16:41 PM
River Falls: 55
WARHAWKS: 77
The WARHAWKS shoot 58% from the floor and 64% from beyond the arc to even their season record at 6-6 and earn their first WIAC win. With one exception the Falcons led by as many as nine points for the first eight minutes. The score was tied twice, the last time with five and a half minutes remaining. Andrea Meinert's free throw put the WARHAWKS on top 24-23 and they held a lead of two to nine points before the half ended 43-35. Overall the WARHWKS shot 69.6% from the floor including 93% (5 of 6) three pointers. After the WARHAWKS opened the scoring in the second half to take their first double figure lead, 45-35, the Falcons trimmed it to a single digit and kept within striking range getting to within four points. The WARHAWKS built the lead back to double figures for good, 59-49, when Maddie Bare sank a jumper at the eight minute mark. The lead continued to grow after that and reached it's high point when the half ended.
Brooke Trewyn: 16 points, 5 rebounds
Reilly Stewart: 12 points
Maddie Bare: 11 points, 4 assists
Andrea Meinert: 10 points, 2 steals
TEAM: 58.3% (23-48) from the floor, 63.6% (7-11) on three point shots
Taylor Karge (12 points) and Richell Mehus (10 points, 7 rebounds) led the Falcons.
WARHAWKS: 77
The WARHAWKS shoot 58% from the floor and 64% from beyond the arc to even their season record at 6-6 and earn their first WIAC win. With one exception the Falcons led by as many as nine points for the first eight minutes. The score was tied twice, the last time with five and a half minutes remaining. Andrea Meinert's free throw put the WARHAWKS on top 24-23 and they held a lead of two to nine points before the half ended 43-35. Overall the WARHWKS shot 69.6% from the floor including 93% (5 of 6) three pointers. After the WARHAWKS opened the scoring in the second half to take their first double figure lead, 45-35, the Falcons trimmed it to a single digit and kept within striking range getting to within four points. The WARHAWKS built the lead back to double figures for good, 59-49, when Maddie Bare sank a jumper at the eight minute mark. The lead continued to grow after that and reached it's high point when the half ended.
Brooke Trewyn: 16 points, 5 rebounds
Reilly Stewart: 12 points
Maddie Bare: 11 points, 4 assists
Andrea Meinert: 10 points, 2 steals
TEAM: 58.3% (23-48) from the floor, 63.6% (7-11) on three point shots
Taylor Karge (12 points) and Richell Mehus (10 points, 7 rebounds) led the Falcons.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
WARHAWKS: 59
Superior: 71
Superior shot 63% in the first half while holding the WARHAWKS to 32% and led 39-22 after twenty minutes. Maddie Bare's 5 points led the WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS pulled to within five points midway through the second half and to within eight points with about three minutes remaining but each time the YellowJackets responded with short runs of their own and sank 7 of 8 free throws the game's final couple of minutes. The WARHAWKS improved to 42% from the floor by shooting 50% in the second half. Two freshman Malia Smith and Brooke Trewyn each scored 15 points. Abbie Reeves had 12.
Superior's Sally Linzmeier was dominating. The senior scored 28 points, pulled down 7 rebounds and had 5 assists, 5 steals and 2 blocks.
Superior: 71
Superior shot 63% in the first half while holding the WARHAWKS to 32% and led 39-22 after twenty minutes. Maddie Bare's 5 points led the WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS pulled to within five points midway through the second half and to within eight points with about three minutes remaining but each time the YellowJackets responded with short runs of their own and sank 7 of 8 free throws the game's final couple of minutes. The WARHAWKS improved to 42% from the floor by shooting 50% in the second half. Two freshman Malia Smith and Brooke Trewyn each scored 15 points. Abbie Reeves had 12.
Superior's Sally Linzmeier was dominating. The senior scored 28 points, pulled down 7 rebounds and had 5 assists, 5 steals and 2 blocks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2015, 11:42:02 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2015, 11:42:02 AM
WARHAWKS: 74
Stout: 69
The WARHAWKS only led once, 4-2, in the first half as the Blue Devils built leads that reached as many points as fourteen before the half ended with the WARHAWKS down 37-29. The Blue Devils out shot the WARHAWKS 50% to 38%. Brooke Trewyn's 8 points led the WARHAWKS. The Blue Devils maintained a single digit lead for the initial fourteen minutes of the second stanza. A layup by Andrea Meinert gave the WARHAWKS their first lead, 56-55, but the Blue Devils responded and the two teams traded the lead over the next minute. The Blue Devils went back up by one with just under five minutes remaining and held it the lead until Trewyn hit a pair of free throws tying the game and Meinert's layup with just over a minute made the score 69-67 WARHAWKS. Five of six successful free throws in game's final 30 seconds sealed the win.
Andrea Meinert: 22 points, 9 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 20 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals
Lisa Palmer: 9 points, 9 rebounds
Stout: 69
The WARHAWKS only led once, 4-2, in the first half as the Blue Devils built leads that reached as many points as fourteen before the half ended with the WARHAWKS down 37-29. The Blue Devils out shot the WARHAWKS 50% to 38%. Brooke Trewyn's 8 points led the WARHAWKS. The Blue Devils maintained a single digit lead for the initial fourteen minutes of the second stanza. A layup by Andrea Meinert gave the WARHAWKS their first lead, 56-55, but the Blue Devils responded and the two teams traded the lead over the next minute. The Blue Devils went back up by one with just under five minutes remaining and held it the lead until Trewyn hit a pair of free throws tying the game and Meinert's layup with just over a minute made the score 69-67 WARHAWKS. Five of six successful free throws in game's final 30 seconds sealed the win.
Andrea Meinert: 22 points, 9 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 20 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals
Lisa Palmer: 9 points, 9 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
EauClaire: 64
WARHAWKS: 58
The WARHAWKS scored first but the BluGolds answered with a three pointer and after a couple of ties the BluGolds hit another three pointer taking a lead, which reached a high of ten points, that they would hold for the next thirteen minutes. Andrea Meinert's layup tied the game at 25-25 with just under four minutes remaining but the BluGolds responded with a 12-2 run and the half ended 37-25. The BluGolds outshot the WARHAWKS 56% to 39% and controlled the boards with a 20-14 advantage. Lisa Palmer's 8 points led the WARHAWKS in scoring and Meinert added 6 points. EauClaire opened the second half with a three pointer for their largest lead of the night but the WARHAWKS gradually cut into the deficit reducing it to a single point 46-45 on Palmer's jumper with eight minutes to play. Leading by two, 58-56, with fifty seconds remaining the BluGolds went 6 for 6 from the free throw line down the stretch to seal the win.
Each team hit 5 three pointers and the WARHAWKS sank 25 shots to 22 for the BluGolds but the game was decided on the free throw line where the BluGolds were 15 of 20 and the WARHAWKS shot just 5 free throws making 3. I have no idea what that fat dude from EauClaire was screaming about all night.
Lisa Palmer: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 11 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks
Malia Smith: 10 points, 5 assists, 2 steals
WARHAWKS: 58
The WARHAWKS scored first but the BluGolds answered with a three pointer and after a couple of ties the BluGolds hit another three pointer taking a lead, which reached a high of ten points, that they would hold for the next thirteen minutes. Andrea Meinert's layup tied the game at 25-25 with just under four minutes remaining but the BluGolds responded with a 12-2 run and the half ended 37-25. The BluGolds outshot the WARHAWKS 56% to 39% and controlled the boards with a 20-14 advantage. Lisa Palmer's 8 points led the WARHAWKS in scoring and Meinert added 6 points. EauClaire opened the second half with a three pointer for their largest lead of the night but the WARHAWKS gradually cut into the deficit reducing it to a single point 46-45 on Palmer's jumper with eight minutes to play. Leading by two, 58-56, with fifty seconds remaining the BluGolds went 6 for 6 from the free throw line down the stretch to seal the win.
Each team hit 5 three pointers and the WARHAWKS sank 25 shots to 22 for the BluGolds but the game was decided on the free throw line where the BluGolds were 15 of 20 and the WARHAWKS shot just 5 free throws making 3. I have no idea what that fat dude from EauClaire was screaming about all night.
Lisa Palmer: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 11 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks
Malia Smith: 10 points, 5 assists, 2 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 18, 2015, 12:01:19 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 18, 2015, 12:01:19 PM
Tough one at Kolf last night. The basket had a lid on it for shot from 20' to 6". Unable to capitalize on turnovers in key situations. Missed FT's were a killer throughout, though the miss of a front end with 4.5 seconds left had a bigger sting to it. After hitting their first two threes, and three of first four, missed their last 17. Just didn't look like a sense of urgency on the court (from my view) and EC was able to pull away in OT. This makes the WIAC race much more interesting. After the Superior win, UWO had the chance to put their foot on the throat of everyone else, and now stand in 3rd. We'll see if they can turn it around.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
LaCrosse: 57
WARHAWKS: 70
The WARHAWKS used a 12-0 run over the game's final four minutes to pull away and even their season's record at 8-8. The Eagles led 11-6 after the first four minutes before the WARHAWKS ran off twelve straight to go up 18-11 and built the lead up to eight points before the half ended 34-31. Five players off the WARHAWKS bench outscored the Eagles bench 14-0. Lisa Palmer's 9 points led the WARHAWKS but Rachel Atkinson and Elise DeNoyer combined for 23 points keeping the Eagles close. The Eagles tied the game twice and kept the deficit in single digits for sixteen minutes in the second half but the WARHAWKS responded and the scoring run down the stretch put the game away. The Eagles were held to 29% from the floor in the final stanza.
Lisa Palmer: 15 points, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 steals
Abbie Reeves: 12 points
Malia Smith: 7 points, 8 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 4 assists, 3 steals
Bench points: 30-9
LaCrosse:
Atkinson: 15 points
DeNoyer: 11 points
WARHAWKS: 70
The WARHAWKS used a 12-0 run over the game's final four minutes to pull away and even their season's record at 8-8. The Eagles led 11-6 after the first four minutes before the WARHAWKS ran off twelve straight to go up 18-11 and built the lead up to eight points before the half ended 34-31. Five players off the WARHAWKS bench outscored the Eagles bench 14-0. Lisa Palmer's 9 points led the WARHAWKS but Rachel Atkinson and Elise DeNoyer combined for 23 points keeping the Eagles close. The Eagles tied the game twice and kept the deficit in single digits for sixteen minutes in the second half but the WARHAWKS responded and the scoring run down the stretch put the game away. The Eagles were held to 29% from the floor in the final stanza.
Lisa Palmer: 15 points, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 steals
Abbie Reeves: 12 points
Malia Smith: 7 points, 8 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 4 assists, 3 steals
Bench points: 30-9
LaCrosse:
Atkinson: 15 points
DeNoyer: 11 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 19, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: JMM on January 19, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Do believe the WIAC will have one of its best races in a long time. Superior, OSH, EC are all looking pretty strong as the season progresses. It will be the team that is mentally tough that will win the WIAC. At this juncture schedule may favor EC who plays SUP. and OSH at home. I look for Stout and Point to have a few big games. I also look for LAX to win a big upset as they usually do. Finally think the WIAC champ and the tournament champ will be two different teams. Which may limit the WIAC to 1 team in the NCAA
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2015, 10:55:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2015, 10:55:55 AM
WARHAWKS: 48
Stevens Point: 67
The WARHAWKS connected on all six of their first shots jumping out to a 16-4 lead and held the lead for the first fourteen and half minutes before the Pointers tied the game 22-22. After the two teams traded the lead a couple of times the Pointers went on top 26-25 with three minutes remaining and led 32-25 at the half. Abbie Reeves led the WARHAWKS with 11 points and Emily Jensen's 5 rebounds were a team high. The Pointers went 15-18 from the charity stripe while the WARHAWKS shot only 2 free throws making both. The Pointers opened the second half with a 10-2 run increasing the lead to fifteen 42-27. The WARHAWKS were able to get within single digits several times, the closest being eight points but with the Pointers shooting one free throw after another were never able to get over the hump. Both teams sank nineteen shots with the WARHAWKS holding a 5 to 2 advantage from beyond the arc. However the Pointers shot 34 free throws connecting on 27 while the WARHAWKS shot 7 of which 5 were successfull. Reeves finished with 14 points while Lisa Palmer added 10 and a team high 5 rebounds. Malia Smith contributed 3 steals. Lauren Anklam led the Pointers with 19 points and Kaitlyn Jacobs finished with 17.
Stevens Point: 67
The WARHAWKS connected on all six of their first shots jumping out to a 16-4 lead and held the lead for the first fourteen and half minutes before the Pointers tied the game 22-22. After the two teams traded the lead a couple of times the Pointers went on top 26-25 with three minutes remaining and led 32-25 at the half. Abbie Reeves led the WARHAWKS with 11 points and Emily Jensen's 5 rebounds were a team high. The Pointers went 15-18 from the charity stripe while the WARHAWKS shot only 2 free throws making both. The Pointers opened the second half with a 10-2 run increasing the lead to fifteen 42-27. The WARHAWKS were able to get within single digits several times, the closest being eight points but with the Pointers shooting one free throw after another were never able to get over the hump. Both teams sank nineteen shots with the WARHAWKS holding a 5 to 2 advantage from beyond the arc. However the Pointers shot 34 free throws connecting on 27 while the WARHAWKS shot 7 of which 5 were successfull. Reeves finished with 14 points while Lisa Palmer added 10 and a team high 5 rebounds. Malia Smith contributed 3 steals. Lauren Anklam led the Pointers with 19 points and Kaitlyn Jacobs finished with 17.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2015, 06:05:57 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2015, 06:05:57 PM
Superior: 68
WARHAWKS: 65
Despite shooting a season low 31% from the floor and losing their leading rebounder to a season ending injury the WARHAWKS hung tough and put a scare into the visiting Yellow Jackets before falling 68-65. Trailing by as many as ten points in the first half the WARHAWKS rallied and took a lead at the eight minute mark holding it until the Yellow Jackets tied it with a minute remaining and sank a three point basket with fifteen seconds to go for a 36-33 half time lead. Superior gradually built the lead to ten points in the first eleven minutes of the second half but the WARHAWKS stormed back with a 13-1 run taking a 57-55 lead with 5:21 to go. However the Yellow Jackets tied the game with four minutes remaining and built a six point lead 67-61 with just under a minute and half on the clock. A pair of free throws by Malia Smith cut the deficit to two points, 67-65 with forty two seconds. After the Yellow Jackets hit one of two free throws the WARHAWKS had two chances to tie but both three point attempts fell short.
Abbie Reeves: 13 points
Malia Smith: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals
Andrea Meinert: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Superior:
Sally Linzmeier: 22 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
Brynn Liljander: 16 points
Grace Kennedy: 11 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
WARHAWKS: 65
Despite shooting a season low 31% from the floor and losing their leading rebounder to a season ending injury the WARHAWKS hung tough and put a scare into the visiting Yellow Jackets before falling 68-65. Trailing by as many as ten points in the first half the WARHAWKS rallied and took a lead at the eight minute mark holding it until the Yellow Jackets tied it with a minute remaining and sank a three point basket with fifteen seconds to go for a 36-33 half time lead. Superior gradually built the lead to ten points in the first eleven minutes of the second half but the WARHAWKS stormed back with a 13-1 run taking a 57-55 lead with 5:21 to go. However the Yellow Jackets tied the game with four minutes remaining and built a six point lead 67-61 with just under a minute and half on the clock. A pair of free throws by Malia Smith cut the deficit to two points, 67-65 with forty two seconds. After the Yellow Jackets hit one of two free throws the WARHAWKS had two chances to tie but both three point attempts fell short.
Abbie Reeves: 13 points
Malia Smith: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals
Andrea Meinert: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Superior:
Sally Linzmeier: 22 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals
Brynn Liljander: 16 points
Grace Kennedy: 11 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
Platteville: 59
WARHAWKS: 55
It was another close but no cigar night for the WARHAWKS as we were able to pull to within a single point, 56-55, with under a minute to play but missed a shot which was rebounded by the Pioneers and gave up a rebound on a missed free throw with :12 remaining. The WARHAWKS opened the scoring and led by as many as six points for the first thirteen minutes of the game. After the Pioneers took the lead they held it for about three minutes before the WARHAWKS managed to regain it and hold it to the 1:44 mark when the Pioneers retook the lead and led by a pair, 29-27, at the half. Though the WARHAWKS hit on more shots 11-10 including 4-2 from beyond the arc the Pioneers connected on 7 of 8 free throws while the WARHAWKS shot just 2 connecting on 1 of them. Abbie Reeves 8 points led the WARHAWKS. Reilly Stewart put the WARHAWKS back on top with a three pointer to open the second half but the Pioneers responded and took the lead for good after about three minutes. The Pioneer lead never exceeded 8 points and the WARHAWKS were able to cut it to a single point twice in the last five minutes.
Maddie Bare: 11 points
Abbie Reeves: 10 points, 7 rebounds
Malia Smith: 6 points, 4 assists, 3 steals
Platteville:
Alyssa Krajco: 18 points, 16 rebounds
Keely Schulz: 16 points, 9 rebounds
Stacy Clark: 14 points
One of these days we're going to find a way to finish one of these.
WARHAWKS: 55
It was another close but no cigar night for the WARHAWKS as we were able to pull to within a single point, 56-55, with under a minute to play but missed a shot which was rebounded by the Pioneers and gave up a rebound on a missed free throw with :12 remaining. The WARHAWKS opened the scoring and led by as many as six points for the first thirteen minutes of the game. After the Pioneers took the lead they held it for about three minutes before the WARHAWKS managed to regain it and hold it to the 1:44 mark when the Pioneers retook the lead and led by a pair, 29-27, at the half. Though the WARHAWKS hit on more shots 11-10 including 4-2 from beyond the arc the Pioneers connected on 7 of 8 free throws while the WARHAWKS shot just 2 connecting on 1 of them. Abbie Reeves 8 points led the WARHAWKS. Reilly Stewart put the WARHAWKS back on top with a three pointer to open the second half but the Pioneers responded and took the lead for good after about three minutes. The Pioneer lead never exceeded 8 points and the WARHAWKS were able to cut it to a single point twice in the last five minutes.
Maddie Bare: 11 points
Abbie Reeves: 10 points, 7 rebounds
Malia Smith: 6 points, 4 assists, 3 steals
Platteville:
Alyssa Krajco: 18 points, 16 rebounds
Keely Schulz: 16 points, 9 rebounds
Stacy Clark: 14 points
One of these days we're going to find a way to finish one of these.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2015, 01:36:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2015, 01:36:12 PM
WARHAWKS: 56
LaCrosse: 54
Freshman Andrea Mieinert's put back of a missed shot with less than one second remaining broke a three game losing streak and gave the WARHAWKS a much needed win. The first half was a see-saw affair with eight ties and seven lead changes. The WARHAWKS largest lead was four points and Eagle's three points. With the Eagles leading by three with thirty-three seconds to play Kate McKay's offensive rebound and layup closed the gap to a single point, 29-28, at the intermission. The Eagles held the lead and built it to a high of eight points twice through the first sixteen minutes of the second half. With four minutes remaining Reilly Stewart sank a three point shot tied the game 51-51 and Malia Smith's free throw gave the WARHAWKS their first lead of the half 52-51. The Eagles would tie it at 52 with a free throw two minutes later. After a pair of WARHAWKS turnovers and a pair of missed shots by the Eagles Andrea Olson sank a pair of free throws regaining the lead 54-52 but the Eagles matched that with a pair of their own with twenty-three seconds setting the stage for Meinert's heroics.
Kate McKay: 11 points, 9 rebounds (6 offensive), 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Meinert: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Reilly Stewart: 9 points, 4 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block
Abbie Reeves: 3 assists
Bench Points: 28-6
LaCrosse:
Maggie Bishop: 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists
Elise DeNoyer: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists
MaKenzie Miller: 8 points, 7 rebounds
Rachel Atkinson: 8 points, 4 steals
LaCrosse: 54
Freshman Andrea Mieinert's put back of a missed shot with less than one second remaining broke a three game losing streak and gave the WARHAWKS a much needed win. The first half was a see-saw affair with eight ties and seven lead changes. The WARHAWKS largest lead was four points and Eagle's three points. With the Eagles leading by three with thirty-three seconds to play Kate McKay's offensive rebound and layup closed the gap to a single point, 29-28, at the intermission. The Eagles held the lead and built it to a high of eight points twice through the first sixteen minutes of the second half. With four minutes remaining Reilly Stewart sank a three point shot tied the game 51-51 and Malia Smith's free throw gave the WARHAWKS their first lead of the half 52-51. The Eagles would tie it at 52 with a free throw two minutes later. After a pair of WARHAWKS turnovers and a pair of missed shots by the Eagles Andrea Olson sank a pair of free throws regaining the lead 54-52 but the Eagles matched that with a pair of their own with twenty-three seconds setting the stage for Meinert's heroics.
Kate McKay: 11 points, 9 rebounds (6 offensive), 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Meinert: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Reilly Stewart: 9 points, 4 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block
Abbie Reeves: 3 assists
Bench Points: 28-6
LaCrosse:
Maggie Bishop: 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists
Elise DeNoyer: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists
MaKenzie Miller: 8 points, 7 rebounds
Rachel Atkinson: 8 points, 4 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 05, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 05, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
Congrats to UWL's Lois Heeren, who last night * notched her 200th victory as the Eagles' head coach...
Things are getting interesting as we head down the stretch, as top 6 make the WIAC tourney:
UW-Oshkosh 9-2 and 17-3 overall
UW-Superior 9-3 and 15-6
UW-Eau Claire 7-4 and 12-8
UW-Platteville 6-6 and 13-8
UW-Stevens Point 6-6 and 11-10
UW-Whitewater 4-7 and 9-11
UW-La Crosse 4-8 and 9-12
UW-Stout 4-8 and 6-15
UW-River Falls 3-8 and 8- **
* Sorry for bringing that up, BDB ;)
** Crap; the overal record got cut off, and I'm too lazy to go back and check...
Things are getting interesting as we head down the stretch, as top 6 make the WIAC tourney:
UW-Oshkosh 9-2 and 17-3 overall
UW-Superior 9-3 and 15-6
UW-Eau Claire 7-4 and 12-8
UW-Platteville 6-6 and 13-8
UW-Stevens Point 6-6 and 11-10
UW-Whitewater 4-7 and 9-11
UW-La Crosse 4-8 and 9-12
UW-Stout 4-8 and 6-15
UW-River Falls 3-8 and 8- **
* Sorry for bringing that up, BDB ;)
** Crap; the overal record got cut off, and I'm too lazy to go back and check...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2015, 12:09:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2015, 12:09:48 PM
WARHAWKS: 49
EauClaire: 64
The BluGolds opened the scoring and though they never led the WARHAWKS kept the deficit in single digits for the first fifteen minutes of the game. At that point the BluGolds went up 26-15 and built the lead to a high of fifteen 31-16 before the half ended with the WARHAWKS trailing 33-21. The bigger BluGolds dominated in the paint out scoring the WARHAWKS 18-4. The WARHAWKS were cold from the field shooting 24% connecting on just six shots. The BluGolds lead never shrunk below double digits in the second half.
Abbie Reeves: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals
Team: 13-15 free throws
EauClaire:
Abbie Midtlien: 15 points
Team: 39-28 rebounding advantage
32-12 points in the paint
EauClaire: 64
The BluGolds opened the scoring and though they never led the WARHAWKS kept the deficit in single digits for the first fifteen minutes of the game. At that point the BluGolds went up 26-15 and built the lead to a high of fifteen 31-16 before the half ended with the WARHAWKS trailing 33-21. The bigger BluGolds dominated in the paint out scoring the WARHAWKS 18-4. The WARHAWKS were cold from the field shooting 24% connecting on just six shots. The BluGolds lead never shrunk below double digits in the second half.
Abbie Reeves: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals
Team: 13-15 free throws
EauClaire:
Abbie Midtlien: 15 points
Team: 39-28 rebounding advantage
32-12 points in the paint
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 09, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 09, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
UW-Oshkosh 10-2 18-3 LX, @SUP, WW, @EC
UW-Superior 10-3 16-6 bye, OSH, @STO, @SP
UW-Eau Claire 8-4 13-8 @PLT, @LX, RF, OSH
UW-Platteville 7-6 14-8 EC, bye, @LX, RF
UW-Stevens Point 6-7 11-11 @WW, @STO, bye, SUP
UW-Whitewater 4-8 9-12 SP, @RF, @OSH, STO
UW-Stout 4-8 6-15 @RF, SP, SUP, @WW
UW-La Crosse 4-9 9-13 @OSH, EC, PLT, bye
UW-River Falls 3-9 8-13 STO, WW, @EC, @PLT
2 weeks left to make the top 6.
UW-Superior 10-3 16-6 bye, OSH, @STO, @SP
UW-Eau Claire 8-4 13-8 @PLT, @LX, RF, OSH
UW-Platteville 7-6 14-8 EC, bye, @LX, RF
UW-Stevens Point 6-7 11-11 @WW, @STO, bye, SUP
UW-Whitewater 4-8 9-12 SP, @RF, @OSH, STO
UW-Stout 4-8 6-15 @RF, SP, SUP, @WW
UW-La Crosse 4-9 9-13 @OSH, EC, PLT, bye
UW-River Falls 3-9 8-13 STO, WW, @EC, @PLT
2 weeks left to make the top 6.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2015, 10:57:39 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2015, 10:57:39 AM
Stevens Point: 52
WARHAWKS: 64
Utilizing a full court press while forcing a fast pace and rotating players so that all ten used played at least thirteen minutes the WARHAWKS avenged a nineteen point loss from earlier in the season and wore down the Pointers for a much needed home win. The two teams traded baskets early before the Pointers made the first extended run of the game. With the score tied 6-6 the Pointers ran off ten straight points before the WARHAWKS responded with a 10-2 run of their cutting the deficit to a pair 18-16 at the eight minute mark. After the Pointers stretched the lead back to seven points the WARHAWKS made another run and with two minutes remaining took a one point lead 28-27. The two teams traded the lead over the next minute when a Pointer free throw followed by a WARHAWKS turnover gave the Pointers a 31-30 half time lead. Abbie Reeves' led the WARHAWKS with 8 points while Joann Wolfenberg's 10 points paced the Pointers who had more offensive rebounds (9) than the WARHAWKS had total rebounds (8). The second half started much like the first with the two teams trading the lead for the first three and half minutes. Andrea Olson's three pointer put the WARHAWKS on top 37-35 and ignited a 10-0 run putting them on top 45-35 with eleven and half minutes to go. That lead gradually increased to fourteen points 55-41 over the next five minutes before the Pointers 10-0 run cut it four points with just under four and half minutes remaining. But that was as close as the Pointers would get as the WARHAWKS finished the last minute 6-6 from the charity stripe.
Abbie Reeves: 15 points
Andrea Meinert: 6 points, 9 rebounds
Emily Jensen: 7 points, 3 rebounds
Kate McKay: 11 points, 4 rebounds
Milia Smith: 4 assists, 4 steals
Team: 48% from the floor, 60% three points, 79% free throws, 14 assists, 8 steals
Stevens Point:
Joann Wolfenberg: 10 points, 4 rebounds
Jamie Destache: 10 points
Lexie Roland: 8 points
Lauren Anklam: 8 points, 3 assists, 2 steals
Team: 35% from the field, 22% three points, 67% free throws, 8 assists, 8 steals
WARHAWKS: 64
Utilizing a full court press while forcing a fast pace and rotating players so that all ten used played at least thirteen minutes the WARHAWKS avenged a nineteen point loss from earlier in the season and wore down the Pointers for a much needed home win. The two teams traded baskets early before the Pointers made the first extended run of the game. With the score tied 6-6 the Pointers ran off ten straight points before the WARHAWKS responded with a 10-2 run of their cutting the deficit to a pair 18-16 at the eight minute mark. After the Pointers stretched the lead back to seven points the WARHAWKS made another run and with two minutes remaining took a one point lead 28-27. The two teams traded the lead over the next minute when a Pointer free throw followed by a WARHAWKS turnover gave the Pointers a 31-30 half time lead. Abbie Reeves' led the WARHAWKS with 8 points while Joann Wolfenberg's 10 points paced the Pointers who had more offensive rebounds (9) than the WARHAWKS had total rebounds (8). The second half started much like the first with the two teams trading the lead for the first three and half minutes. Andrea Olson's three pointer put the WARHAWKS on top 37-35 and ignited a 10-0 run putting them on top 45-35 with eleven and half minutes to go. That lead gradually increased to fourteen points 55-41 over the next five minutes before the Pointers 10-0 run cut it four points with just under four and half minutes remaining. But that was as close as the Pointers would get as the WARHAWKS finished the last minute 6-6 from the charity stripe.
Abbie Reeves: 15 points
Andrea Meinert: 6 points, 9 rebounds
Emily Jensen: 7 points, 3 rebounds
Kate McKay: 11 points, 4 rebounds
Milia Smith: 4 assists, 4 steals
Team: 48% from the floor, 60% three points, 79% free throws, 14 assists, 8 steals
Stevens Point:
Joann Wolfenberg: 10 points, 4 rebounds
Jamie Destache: 10 points
Lexie Roland: 8 points
Lauren Anklam: 8 points, 3 assists, 2 steals
Team: 35% from the field, 22% three points, 67% free throws, 8 assists, 8 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2015, 05:31:05 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 15, 2015, 05:31:05 PM
WARHAWKS: 74
River Falls: 67
River Falls started with a 7-0 run and although the WARHAWKS tied the game twice they were unable to secure a lead until Abbie Reeves hit a three point shot half way through the first stanza. The Falcons would regain the lead and the two teams would exchange it and be tied over the next couple of minutes. Andrea Meinert's layup with seven minutes to play ignited the WARHAWKS who finished the half with a 18-7 scoring advantage and a thirteen point 41-28 lead. The WARHAWKS lead remained essentially in double digits, reaching a high of 18 points, through the first seventeen minutes of the second half. The Falcons would close to within five points twice in the game's final minute but missed a pair of three point attempts while Reeves sank four of four free throw attempts in the final thirty seconds to preserve the win.
Abbie Reeves: 18 points (4-6 three points), 3 assists
Andrea Meinert: 17 points, 12 rebounds
Emily Jensen: 12 points
Falcons:
Richelle Mehus: 21 points, 3 assists, 2 blocks, 3 steals
Kate Messman: 14 points, 5 rebounds
River Falls: 67
River Falls started with a 7-0 run and although the WARHAWKS tied the game twice they were unable to secure a lead until Abbie Reeves hit a three point shot half way through the first stanza. The Falcons would regain the lead and the two teams would exchange it and be tied over the next couple of minutes. Andrea Meinert's layup with seven minutes to play ignited the WARHAWKS who finished the half with a 18-7 scoring advantage and a thirteen point 41-28 lead. The WARHAWKS lead remained essentially in double digits, reaching a high of 18 points, through the first seventeen minutes of the second half. The Falcons would close to within five points twice in the game's final minute but missed a pair of three point attempts while Reeves sank four of four free throw attempts in the final thirty seconds to preserve the win.
Abbie Reeves: 18 points (4-6 three points), 3 assists
Andrea Meinert: 17 points, 12 rebounds
Emily Jensen: 12 points
Falcons:
Richelle Mehus: 21 points, 3 assists, 2 blocks, 3 steals
Kate Messman: 14 points, 5 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 17, 2015, 12:27:58 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 17, 2015, 12:27:58 PM
Scenarios:
Should UWO and SUP win out, I believe UWO would get the tiebreaker having swept Platteville (both teams would have split against EC).
Should Point and Whitewater tie, Point would get the tiebreaker due to their wins over EC.
But, still two games to sort things out. Could be upsets in the making.
Should UWO and SUP win out, I believe UWO would get the tiebreaker having swept Platteville (both teams would have split against EC).
Should Point and Whitewater tie, Point would get the tiebreaker due to their wins over EC.
But, still two games to sort things out. Could be upsets in the making.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 19, 2015, 09:17:06 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 19, 2015, 09:17:06 AM
Well, the WIAC just became a 1-bid conference. Only hope for anyone is to win the tourney. FT's were the main story at Kolf. UWO got to the line quite a bit, but only made 14-23. NCAA won't look at a 5-loss team from the WIAC, especially with a loss like that on the resume. The danger now is a game at Zorn for the 2-seed. Should UWO and Superior tie, it looks like a Platteville win would give UWO the tiebreak, and a UWP loss + UWW win gives it to Superior. I'd love to see a tape of last nights game. I wrote down 5 calls (going either way) I'd like to look at again.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2015, 11:17:23 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2015, 11:17:23 AM
WARHAWKS: 68
Oshkosh: 66
The WARHAWKS had two point leads in the first couple of minutes of the game before the Titans went ahead 7-6 after a little more than three minutes of play. Though they led throughout the remainder of the first half the WARHAWKS managed to stay within single digits for the most part and the half ended with the Titans on top by eight 32-24 after Brooke Trewyn sank a three pointer with under a minute remaining. The WARHAWKS were cold from the floor shooting only 31% while the Titans shot 54%. Nine offensive rebounds gave the WARHAWKS a 12-2 advantage on second chance points though the Titans matched that with an 18-6 scoring advantage in the paint. Andrea Meinert and Malia Smith each had 4 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Alex Richard (8) and Marissa Selner (7) led the Titans. The Titans opened the scoring in the second half to go up by ten but five straight points from Trewyn cut the deficit to five and the WARHAWKS stayed within single digits until a Titan three pointer gave them a 49-38 lead with 13:48 remaining. The turning point in the game came when the WARHAWKS made an 18-6 run over the next nine and half minutes to take their first lead since the early stages 56-55. Though the Titans would regain the lead twice after that the WARHAWKS matched points until Meinert sank a free throw putting them on top 61-60 with just over a minute and a half left and the team sank 5 of 6 free throws down the stretch to preserve the win. The team shot 62% from the floor in the second half and secured a spot in the conference tournament.
Brooke Trewyn: 18 points (15 second half), 3 rebounds
Andrea Meinert: 13 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks
Malia Smith: 10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal
Team: 20-13 second chance points, 6 blocks
Oshkosh:
Katelyn Kuehl: 13 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal
Alex Richard: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block
Ashley Neustifter: 11 points, 5 assists
Team: 30-18 points in the paint, 8 steals
Oshkosh: 66
The WARHAWKS had two point leads in the first couple of minutes of the game before the Titans went ahead 7-6 after a little more than three minutes of play. Though they led throughout the remainder of the first half the WARHAWKS managed to stay within single digits for the most part and the half ended with the Titans on top by eight 32-24 after Brooke Trewyn sank a three pointer with under a minute remaining. The WARHAWKS were cold from the floor shooting only 31% while the Titans shot 54%. Nine offensive rebounds gave the WARHAWKS a 12-2 advantage on second chance points though the Titans matched that with an 18-6 scoring advantage in the paint. Andrea Meinert and Malia Smith each had 4 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Alex Richard (8) and Marissa Selner (7) led the Titans. The Titans opened the scoring in the second half to go up by ten but five straight points from Trewyn cut the deficit to five and the WARHAWKS stayed within single digits until a Titan three pointer gave them a 49-38 lead with 13:48 remaining. The turning point in the game came when the WARHAWKS made an 18-6 run over the next nine and half minutes to take their first lead since the early stages 56-55. Though the Titans would regain the lead twice after that the WARHAWKS matched points until Meinert sank a free throw putting them on top 61-60 with just over a minute and a half left and the team sank 5 of 6 free throws down the stretch to preserve the win. The team shot 62% from the floor in the second half and secured a spot in the conference tournament.
Brooke Trewyn: 18 points (15 second half), 3 rebounds
Andrea Meinert: 13 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks
Malia Smith: 10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal
Team: 20-13 second chance points, 6 blocks
Oshkosh:
Katelyn Kuehl: 13 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal
Alex Richard: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block
Ashley Neustifter: 11 points, 5 assists
Team: 30-18 points in the paint, 8 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 19, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
Post by: JMM on February 19, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
Welp, WIAC fans, Stout, LAX, Point and WW have all reminded us why we love the WIAC. So here are my uninformed thoughts as we turn the corner on another Wisconsin Winter and WIAC Woman's basketball season.
WW over Stout - Stout will be WIAC champ next year #41, #13 #23 #4.... - #41 gets my vote for the second bet player in the WIAC this year.
Plat over RF.
Will Oshkosh recover and beat EC? Nope...Titans very one dimensional and EC knows it. Titans easy schedule at the start of the year is showing. EC coach has rediscovered her seniors who will deliver.
Sup and Point - a game Shirley would love to win and she is Foxy enough to do it - Point wins.
Note- look for Point to be in the finals of the championship next week. More after the final weekend....
I remain uninformed
WW over Stout - Stout will be WIAC champ next year #41, #13 #23 #4.... - #41 gets my vote for the second bet player in the WIAC this year.
Plat over RF.
Will Oshkosh recover and beat EC? Nope...Titans very one dimensional and EC knows it. Titans easy schedule at the start of the year is showing. EC coach has rediscovered her seniors who will deliver.
Sup and Point - a game Shirley would love to win and she is Foxy enough to do it - Point wins.
Note- look for Point to be in the finals of the championship next week. More after the final weekend....
I remain uninformed
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2015, 12:02:36 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 19, 2015, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 19, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
Welp, WIAC fans, Stout, LAX, Point and WW have all reminded us why we love the WIAC. So here are my uninformed thoughts as we turn the corner on another Wisconsin Winter and WIAC Woman's basketball season.
WW over Stout - Stout will be WIAC champ next year #41, #13 #23 #4.... - #41 gets my vote for the second bet player in the WIAC this year.
Plat over RF.
Will Oshkosh recover and beat EC? Nope...Eagles very one dimensional and EC knows it. Eagles easy schedule at the start of the year is showing. EC coach has rediscovered her seniors who will deliver.
Sup and Point - a game Shirley would love to win and she is Foxy enough to do it - Point wins.
Note- look for Point to be in the finals of the championship next week. More after the final weekend....
I remain uninformed
Don't you mean Titans?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2015, 09:48:36 AM
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2015, 09:48:36 AM
Yes. I meant the Titans..Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on February 21, 2015, 10:56:39 AM
Post by: BDB on February 21, 2015, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: JMM on February 19, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
Welp, WIAC fans, Stout, LAX, Point and WW have all reminded us why we love the WIAC. So here are my uninformed thoughts as we turn the corner on another Wisconsin Winter and WIAC Woman's basketball season.
WW over Stout - Stout will be WIAC champ next year #41, #13 #23 #4.... - #41 gets my vote for the second bet player in the WIAC this year.
Plat over RF.
Will Oshkosh recover and beat EC? Nope...Titans very one dimensional and EC knows it. Titans easy schedule at the start of the year is showing. EC coach has rediscovered her seniors who will deliver.
Sup and Point - a game Shirley would love to win and she is Foxy enough to do it - Point wins.
Note- look for Point to be in the finals of the championship next week. More after the final weekend....
I remain uninformed
Unfortunately #13 is a senior this year. You are correct on the other 3, very solid players.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Post by: JMM on February 21, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
Psaw! Thought 13 was not a senior.. Anyhow, still think Stout has alot to look forward to next year. Jenna is a treat to watch under the basket. Fantastic basket sense and shot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2015, 12:10:36 AM
Post by: JMM on February 22, 2015, 12:10:36 AM
Wonderful to see Superior win the WIAC outright! Figured they would lose to Point and was pretty certain OSH would fall to EC. The EC/OSH game was not as close as the score indicates. EC did a good job of stopping OSH scoring underneath in the second half. Taking that away really takes away their only offensive strength. They are not good outside shooters. The game got close in the end but never was really in doubt as EC made all but a few of many free throws in the last 2 minutes when OSH started to foul relentlessly to get back in it. EC seniors were outstanding.
So we have WW at OSH and Point at Plat.
I look for Point and OSH to win but it will not be easy for OSH who has skidded out of the NCAA tournament by losing its last 3 games and needs to win the WIAC tourney to get there. WW is the hottest team in the WIAC in the last 4-5 games. I believe WW had the 17th hardest schedule in Woman's D3. OSH had a pretty easy schedule in comparison. WW has a grand coach who will make it super hard on OSH.
I still think Point will get to the finals with another win over Superior in the second round. Superiors had the easiest schedule n the WIAC. It is wonderful to see Superior as the regular season champs.
So we have WW at OSH and Point at Plat.
I look for Point and OSH to win but it will not be easy for OSH who has skidded out of the NCAA tournament by losing its last 3 games and needs to win the WIAC tourney to get there. WW is the hottest team in the WIAC in the last 4-5 games. I believe WW had the 17th hardest schedule in Woman's D3. OSH had a pretty easy schedule in comparison. WW has a grand coach who will make it super hard on OSH.
I still think Point will get to the finals with another win over Superior in the second round. Superiors had the easiest schedule n the WIAC. It is wonderful to see Superior as the regular season champs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2015, 10:33:32 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 22, 2015, 10:33:32 AM
Stout: 66
WARHAWKS: 69
Jenna Goldsmith's eight points paced the Blue Devils who jumped out to a 10-5 lead in first few minutes of the game before the WARHAWKS made a mini-run and took an 11-10 lead on Riley Stewart's three pointer after six minutes of action. Stout regained the lead on their next possession but Brooke Trewyn's seven consecutive points gave the WARHAWKS an 18-13 lead a minute and half later. The Blue Devils would tie the game 18-18 later but Jaya Perkins scored on a layup and the WARHAWKS would maintain a lead which rose to a high of eleven points before the half ended 37-28. Abbie Reeves (11) and Trewyn (7) led the WARHAWKS while Goldsmith's 10 points and 6 rebounds were highs for the Blue Devils. The WARHAWKS capitalized on 14 Blue Devil turnovers for a 17-9 scoring advantage and hit 6 three point baskets. Trailing by eleven points after the first three minutes of the second half the Blue Devils heated up and over the next six minutes made a 14-2 run to take a 46-45 lead. Malia Smith put the WARHAWKS back on top with a layup and they maintained a single digit lead until the Blue Devils went back on top 64-63 with under a minute remaining. Trewyn would tie the game with a free throw and after she stole the ball an intentional foul was called. Trewyn made both of those free throws and Andrea Meinert sank two more when she was fouled on the ensuing inbounds putting the WARHAWKS up 68-64 with twenty seconds remaining. Another free throw by Smith pushed the lead to five points before a Blue Devil basket at the buzzer created the final score.
Abbie Reeves: 15 points, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 14 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 2 steals
Andrea Meinert: 8 points, 11 rebounds
Reilly Stewart: 4 assists
Team: 13 steals, 20-6 bench points
Stout:
Katelynne Folkers: 20 points, 3 assists, 2 steals
Jenna Goldsmith: 14 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals
Kyleigh Hebert: 12 points, 2 assists
WARHAWKS: 69
Jenna Goldsmith's eight points paced the Blue Devils who jumped out to a 10-5 lead in first few minutes of the game before the WARHAWKS made a mini-run and took an 11-10 lead on Riley Stewart's three pointer after six minutes of action. Stout regained the lead on their next possession but Brooke Trewyn's seven consecutive points gave the WARHAWKS an 18-13 lead a minute and half later. The Blue Devils would tie the game 18-18 later but Jaya Perkins scored on a layup and the WARHAWKS would maintain a lead which rose to a high of eleven points before the half ended 37-28. Abbie Reeves (11) and Trewyn (7) led the WARHAWKS while Goldsmith's 10 points and 6 rebounds were highs for the Blue Devils. The WARHAWKS capitalized on 14 Blue Devil turnovers for a 17-9 scoring advantage and hit 6 three point baskets. Trailing by eleven points after the first three minutes of the second half the Blue Devils heated up and over the next six minutes made a 14-2 run to take a 46-45 lead. Malia Smith put the WARHAWKS back on top with a layup and they maintained a single digit lead until the Blue Devils went back on top 64-63 with under a minute remaining. Trewyn would tie the game with a free throw and after she stole the ball an intentional foul was called. Trewyn made both of those free throws and Andrea Meinert sank two more when she was fouled on the ensuing inbounds putting the WARHAWKS up 68-64 with twenty seconds remaining. Another free throw by Smith pushed the lead to five points before a Blue Devil basket at the buzzer created the final score.
Abbie Reeves: 15 points, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 14 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 2 steals
Andrea Meinert: 8 points, 11 rebounds
Reilly Stewart: 4 assists
Team: 13 steals, 20-6 bench points
Stout:
Katelynne Folkers: 20 points, 3 assists, 2 steals
Jenna Goldsmith: 14 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals
Kyleigh Hebert: 12 points, 2 assists
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2015, 09:57:28 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2015, 09:57:28 PM
I look for Point over Superior. Shirley will figure out how to win. I don't think the OSH victory helped OSH confidence and probably took much out of the Titans. It is also a long bus ride to Eau Claire. I think EC will win for the 3rd time over OSH. It is very tough to win 3 games in a year over a team. I think OSH is still hurting - barely beating a WW a .500 in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2015, 09:52:39 PM
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2015, 09:52:39 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 25, 2015, 09:57:28 PMI would hate to have seen what the score would have been tonight if Oshkosh had played a tougher schedule, had been playing with confidence, didn't have such a long bus ride, and wasn't hurting!!!! ::)
I look for Point over Superior. Shirley will figure out how to win. I don't think the OSH victory helped OSH confidence and probably took much out of the Titans. It is also a long bus ride to Eau Claire. I think EC will win for the 3rd time over OSH. It is very tough to win 3 games in a year over a team. I think OSH is still hurting - barely beating a WW a .500 in the WIAC.
Oshkosh 65
Eau Claire 36
FINAL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2015, 10:03:24 PM
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2015, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 25, 2015, 09:57:28 PMAt least you are consistent!!!!
I look for Point over Superior. Shirley will figure out how to win.
Superior 58
Point 36
FINAL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2015, 10:14:03 PM
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2015, 10:14:03 PM
Hats off to OSH who pulverized EC and looks back on track. Hats off the Sup who pulverized Point. Would be nice if NCAA had two WIAC teams in the tournament. . Should be a battle on Sunday. We know a team will get there. As Hoopsville noted last week, probably not 2 from the WIAC in the tournament. If OSH keeps it going would expect them to beat Superior. Watch for those "Homer" calls from the refs up there above HWY 2. Watch out for Stout next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 02, 2015, 10:58:15 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 02, 2015, 10:58:15 AM
Heck of a week by Oshkosh. Don't know many teams that could go 3-0 against the teams that put an 0-3 record on them to finish the regular season. I can say I was worried going into the WW game, but some Twitter karma went their way. Was surprised by the margin of the EC game. And, from the looks of the PBP of the Superior game, it would have been a fun one to be at. If I read it right, the game was scoreless for a 3:30 span of the second half. Hopefully UWO doesn't have to travel far. I could take the 3.5 hour drive to Wheaton.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2015, 11:30:01 AM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2015, 11:30:01 AM
OSH verified they were the best team in the WIAC the past week. Defense very impressive. Will need to continue it in the NCAA. My bet is they go to Wheaton.
With the Tommies hosting in St. Paul, a possibility, but a little to far away. Watching the last EC game and the SUP game, OSH could advance to the Sweet 16 if they hold their defense together. Hopefully it is a long run for the Titans.
With the Tommies hosting in St. Paul, a possibility, but a little to far away. Watching the last EC game and the SUP game, OSH could advance to the Sweet 16 if they hold their defense together. Hopefully it is a long run for the Titans.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2015, 11:33:22 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2015, 11:33:22 AM
Good luck Titans.
D3hoops.com projects them in Wheaton facing DePauw with Wheaton and Wisconsin Lutheran rounding out the regional. DePauw is a tough draw right out of the gate.
D3hoops.com projects them in Wheaton facing DePauw with Wheaton and Wisconsin Lutheran rounding out the regional. DePauw is a tough draw right out of the gate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
UW-Oshkosh to St. Thomas is officially only 281 miles so that's well within the 500-mile bus limit. So I think that's a reasonable possibility. It will depend how much the committee cares about using the the 500-mile limit to diversify the brackets.
Some years, they seem to keep teams as close as to their home no matter what. It keeps travel shorter, but it usually means all teams in a pod come from the same region.
Other years they take the approach that as long as it's less than 500 miles it's fair game to move teams around. Essentially stating there's no difference between 45 miles and 450 miles. That allows more diversity in each pod. I always prefer it when the committee takes this approach to create more unique match-ups.
Some years, they seem to keep teams as close as to their home no matter what. It keeps travel shorter, but it usually means all teams in a pod come from the same region.
Other years they take the approach that as long as it's less than 500 miles it's fair game to move teams around. Essentially stating there's no difference between 45 miles and 450 miles. That allows more diversity in each pod. I always prefer it when the committee takes this approach to create more unique match-ups.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 02, 2015, 03:04:41 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 02, 2015, 03:04:41 PM
The one team I would have looked at and said, "No thanks!" to would have been North Central. Run and Gun, trap-trap-trap, we'll commit 40 fouls and see if the officials will call 25 type of game. Reminds me too much of the late 90's Stout teams. Contrast of styles indeed.
I'll get the battle cry of the night warmed up by yelling, "GET BACK!!!!"
I'll get the battle cry of the night warmed up by yelling, "GET BACK!!!!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
Time for the Titans coach to slooow Things way dowwwwn.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Actually, I've always thought the best way to beat a Grinnell style team is to go make layups. They are essentially giving you layups if you can beat the press. So go shoot 80 percent from the 2-feet away, and if you defend the three-point line well, they're not likely to make enough three's to make up for it.
I actually think holding the ball through the shot clock plays into their hands. You now have to beat 5 defenders to get a two-point bucket, instead of a 2-on-1 layup. You'll have a harder time scoring enough points to outweigh their three-point baskets.
Of course, if you can't beat their press, it doesn't matter what you do.
I actually think holding the ball through the shot clock plays into their hands. You now have to beat 5 defenders to get a two-point bucket, instead of a 2-on-1 layup. You'll have a harder time scoring enough points to outweigh their three-point baskets.
Of course, if you can't beat their press, it doesn't matter what you do.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: NACfan215 on March 02, 2015, 03:57:49 PM
Post by: NACfan215 on March 02, 2015, 03:57:49 PM
If they want a good example of how to beat the system, watch the second half of the championship game between Wheaton and NC from this past weekend. Wheaton down 12, stormed back and was up by as many as 15 or more in second half.
Solid half court defense by Wheaton, good rebounding to limit second chance points, PASS to break the press and get easy layups on other end. it seemed like Wheaton had 2-1 or 3-2 advantages the entire second half (understanding this is how the system is set up). Feed the ball inside, NC only has one girl with size, when she was out Wheaton hit the paint hard. Wheaton post player had 33 points.
Should at least be a fun game to watch.
Solid half court defense by Wheaton, good rebounding to limit second chance points, PASS to break the press and get easy layups on other end. it seemed like Wheaton had 2-1 or 3-2 advantages the entire second half (understanding this is how the system is set up). Feed the ball inside, NC only has one girl with size, when she was out Wheaton hit the paint hard. Wheaton post player had 33 points.
Should at least be a fun game to watch.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 02, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
Post by: phoenix_rising on March 02, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
When I started reading and writing to D3 Hoops, Stout was in first place in the WIAC and Superior in last. Superior couldn't even make post-season. This year, UW-Superior's last in the WIAC, the tables have turned. It's been a nice year.
Adios, WIAC.
Adios, WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
It would have been interesting to see if the Superior women's team could have maintained a level of competitiveness or if the past few years were the exception. But adios Superior.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
Post by: JMM on March 02, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
I think Superior is going to a good place and will fare well, though their real home will be the WIAC........
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on March 02, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on March 02, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Actually, I've always thought the best way to beat a Grinnell style team is to go make layups. They are essentially giving you layups if you can beat the press. So go shoot 80 percent from the 2-feet away, and if you defend the three-point line well, they're not likely to make enough three's to make up for it.
I actually think holding the ball through the shot clock plays into their hands. You now have to beat 5 defenders to get a two-point bucket, instead of a 2-on-1 layup. You'll have a harder time scoring enough points to outweigh their three-point baskets.
Of course, if you can't beat their press, it doesn't matter what you do.
Grinnell figured out the dirty little secret about the 3 point line. If you shoot 50 percent from the field, they only need a pedestrian 33 percent from behind the arc to keep pace. They hit 40 percent from outside, you need to hit 60 percent from inside the arc. Even your 80 percent from 2 feet only requires an excellent but by no means impossible 53 percent from downtown by The System running team to keep up on the scoreboard. And this doesn't factor in what happens if you start coughing up the rock.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on March 02, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on March 02, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on March 02, 2015, 09:56:20 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Actually, I've always thought the best way to beat a Grinnell style team is to go make layups. They are essentially giving you layups if you can beat the press. So go shoot 80 percent from the 2-feet away, and if you defend the three-point line well, they're not likely to make enough three's to make up for it.
I actually think holding the ball through the shot clock plays into their hands. You now have to beat 5 defenders to get a two-point bucket, instead of a 2-on-1 layup. You'll have a harder time scoring enough points to outweigh their three-point baskets.
Of course, if you can't beat their press, it doesn't matter what you do.
Grinnell figured out the dirty little secret about the 3 point line. If you shoot 50 percent from the field, they only need a pedestrian 33 percent from behind the arc to keep pace. They hit 40 percent from outside, you need to hit 60 percent from inside the arc. Even your 80 percent from 2 feet only requires an excellent but by no means impossible 53 percent from downtown by The System running team to keep up on the scoreboard. And this doesn't factor in what happens if you start coughing up the rock.
Sounds simple. But in the case of North Central this year, they shot 27% from behind the arc while their opponents shot 30%, and inside the arc NC was 36% while opponents were 44%. Opponents also outrebounded NC by 5 rpg. Those disparities were even larger against the tougher opponents like Wheaton. They pretty much have to have a big turnover margin to win. I have no idea if NC would have done better with or without the system approach but as others have posted, good teams that can do a reasonable job protecting the ball and have one or more mobile bigs will find a lot of space for layups and offensive rebounds against most system teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2015, 10:02:56 AM
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2015, 10:02:56 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on March 02, 2015, 09:56:20 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Actually, I've always thought the best way to beat a Grinnell style team is to go make layups. They are essentially giving you layups if you can beat the press. So go shoot 80 percent from the 2-feet away, and if you defend the three-point line well, they're not likely to make enough three's to make up for it.
I actually think holding the ball through the shot clock plays into their hands. You now have to beat 5 defenders to get a two-point bucket, instead of a 2-on-1 layup. You'll have a harder time scoring enough points to outweigh their three-point baskets.
Of course, if you can't beat their press, it doesn't matter what you do.
Grinnell figured out the dirty little secret about the 3 point line. If you shoot 50 percent from the field, they only need a pedestrian 33 percent from behind the arc to keep pace. They hit 40 percent from outside, you need to hit 60 percent from inside the arc. Even your 80 percent from 2 feet only requires an excellent but by no means impossible 53 percent from downtown by The System running team to keep up on the scoreboard. And this doesn't factor in what happens if you start coughing up the rock.
But look at NCC women's three-point numbers. Nothing about it says their about to shoot anything approaching 50 percent. Sure it could happen, but I'll take those odds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 07, 2015, 08:37:11 AM
Post by: JMM on March 07, 2015, 08:37:11 AM
Nice win for OSH. Was worried about them for awhile with all the turnovers, but they finished strong and shold be mentally ready for their next opponent. If they keep mentally tough, they can win....I think
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 08, 2015, 08:53:53 AM
Post by: JMM on March 08, 2015, 08:53:53 AM
Less than 7 months and counting.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 08, 2015, 10:19:58 AM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 08, 2015, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: JMM on March 08, 2015, 08:53:53 AM
Less than 7 months and counting.
The MIAA ended the state of Wisconsin's chance of winning a d3 title last night (UWO and WLC) last night. #feelsbadman
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
Anyone out there agree that Courtney Lewis should have been all region. My two cents is someone got it real wrong. EC finished tied #2 in WIAC because of Courtney not the other one.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2015, 12:21:55 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 16, 2015, 12:21:55 PM
I don't know about that per se but I do agree with Sally Linzmeier and I think it's cool to see four WIAC programs represented.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
Post by: gordonmann on March 16, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
QuoteMy two cents is someone got it real wrong
There's bound to be disagreement and that's fine. But there's no "someone" in this case. The All-Region team is selected by the Sports Information Directors in those regions, not one or two people. So this was apparently the consensus opinion among the voters.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Very Happy for WIAC. Especially happy for Superior and S.L. Curious if the process is a ballot and who decides the ballot or if it is through a conference call. Most curious if the sport directors rely on the coaches and in some manner the process gets back to the coach. No way questioning all those selected or really the process. If it does indirectly get back to the coach, I am curious what criteria they might use. Can anyone shed light. Thanks.
When I review WIAC individual stats, the non chosen EC player has an upper hand in several stat categories. Especially in the assist to turnover ratio and rebounding. Turnovers is what really hurt the blugolds this year. My last comment on the matter.
When I review WIAC individual stats, the non chosen EC player has an upper hand in several stat categories. Especially in the assist to turnover ratio and rebounding. Turnovers is what really hurt the blugolds this year. My last comment on the matter.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
Only first and second team all-conference players are eligible. SIDs are responsible for submitting the nominations. A select group of SIDs and media from each region vote. The D3hoops.com staff takes the first team all-region selections and then picks their all-american teams.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 16, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Very Happy for WIAC. Especially happy for Superior and S.L. Curious if the process is a ballot and who decides the ballot or if it is through a conference call. Most curious if the sport directors rely on the coaches and in some manner the process gets back to the coach. No way questioning all those selected or really the process. If it does indirectly get back to the coach, I am curious what criteria they might use. Can anyone shed light. Thanks.
When I review WIAC individual stats, the non chosen EC player has an upper hand in several stat categories. Especially in the assist to turnover ratio and rebounding. Turnovers is what really hurt the blugolds this year. My last comment on the matter.
Point guards tend to do better in A/TO ratio, of course. Lichtfuss only averages .4 more turnovers per game than Lewis.
It's a ballot. We don't have time to arrange and participate in 16 conference calls. :)
Schools have the opportunity to denote for us an order of priority when nominating players (as in, player A should be considered first, etc.). That is definitely useful information when we get it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2015, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 16, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
The D3hoops.com staff takes the first team all-region selections and then picks their all-american teams.
Second-teamers are eligible too and are often selected.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2015, 02:05:59 PM
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2015, 02:05:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2015, 02:05:27 PMQuote from: Just Bill on March 16, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
The D3hoops.com staff takes the first team all-region selections and then picks their all-american teams.
Second-teamers are eligible too and are often selected.
Right. Thanks!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Post by: JMM on March 16, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Thanks for the clarification on the process Pat and also to Just Bill for the input as well. I have no horse in the race. The process is clarified and appreciated. Again the stats on both players are very close as Pat points out. Thanks to D3Hoops for all they do and do so well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 16, 2015, 09:30:52 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 16, 2015, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: JMM on March 16, 2015, 04:30:56 PMCongrats to the women selected...
Thanks for the clarification on the process Pat and also to Just Bill for the input as well. I have no horse in the race. The process is clarified and appreciated. Again the stats on both players are very close as Pat points out. Thanks to D3Hoops for all they do and do so well.
I can't speak for or against the picks on the all region team, and won't quibble about it...
As a Blugold, yes, I'd like to have seen Courtney Lewis mentioned, but will defer to those who picked the team. I do agree with Linzmeier's selection, since I beleive she was conference POY, right? Justifiably so... and, as noted, SL's stats were better than Lewis in just about every case (not that it was a choice between her and Lewis for a spot, though. If that were the case, SL would get it... ;) ...)
Lewis was 5th in scoring, 12.1, 6th in boards, 6.8, and the one I find most interesting, tied for second in the conference in assists, at 4.35.... As JMM would probably agree, Lewis was the MVP on the Blugolds this year, a big part of their success...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2015, 12:41:04 AM
Post by: JMM on March 17, 2015, 12:41:04 AM
Sally L clearly was to me the best player in the WIAC. Those who know the Blugolds would concur Courtney was MVP this year. Her play in the last few games of the regular season carried a struggling team into second place.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on July 20, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
Post by: BDB on July 20, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
Pair of current UW-Stout players competing in Costa Rica this summer:
http://chippewa.com/dunnconnect/sports/college/stout-duo-goes-beyond-sports-in-costa-rica/article_ba37d0b1-2df7-55d1-9579-a87f9836eb2e.html
http://chippewa.com/dunnconnect/sports/college/stout-duo-goes-beyond-sports-in-costa-rica/article_ba37d0b1-2df7-55d1-9579-a87f9836eb2e.html
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on July 22, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
Post by: bulk19 on July 22, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
Congrats to UWEC's Lady Blugolds, who were hitting the books during the spring semester, as they recorded an overall team GPA of 3.518.... This ranks 15th out of 440 D3 teams, and makes them the only WIAC team to finish in the top 25...
Info provided by the Women's Basketball Coaches Association, which recently annouced its 2015 Academic Team Honor Rolls.
Info provided by the Women's Basketball Coaches Association, which recently annouced its 2015 Academic Team Honor Rolls.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on October 30, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on October 30, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Alright, we gotta get this board going here. Anyone know when the WIAC preseason poll comes out? Should be an interesting season.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 07, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 07, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on October 30, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Alright, we gotta get this board going here. Anyone know when the WIAC preseason poll comes out? Should be an interesting season.
Here is the poll:
1. UW-Oshkosh
2. UW-Whitewater
3. UW-Eau Claire
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. UW-River Falls
6. UW-La Crosse
7. UW-Stout
8. UW-Platteville
In the UMAC, UW-Superior is picked to finish 3rd behind Northwestern (MN), and Minnesota-Morris but has a pair of first place votes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 19, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
WARHAWKS: 60
Lakeland: 47
It was the first meeting between the two schools. With a two point lead in the second quarter the WARHAWKS went on a 12-2 run to take a 31-19 lead and led by nine 33-24 when the half ended. Freshman big, Olivia Freckmann, led the WARHAWKS with 10 points while Jaya Perkins and Brooke Trewyn each added 7. The WARHAWKS defense forced sixteen Muskie turnovers and pilfered 8 steals. After that the Muskies were able to cut the deficit to single digits one time and the WARHAWKS finished the last six minutes of the third quarter with a 13-1 run pushing the lead to twenty points, the largest of the game, 53-33. Freckman finished with 12 points as did Brooke Trewyn who also added a game high 9 rebounds. Abbie Reeves added 11 points. The WARHAWKS outscored the Muskies 26-8 off the bench.
Kayla Clark had a game high 16 points to lead the Muskies.
Lakeland: 47
It was the first meeting between the two schools. With a two point lead in the second quarter the WARHAWKS went on a 12-2 run to take a 31-19 lead and led by nine 33-24 when the half ended. Freshman big, Olivia Freckmann, led the WARHAWKS with 10 points while Jaya Perkins and Brooke Trewyn each added 7. The WARHAWKS defense forced sixteen Muskie turnovers and pilfered 8 steals. After that the Muskies were able to cut the deficit to single digits one time and the WARHAWKS finished the last six minutes of the third quarter with a 13-1 run pushing the lead to twenty points, the largest of the game, 53-33. Freckman finished with 12 points as did Brooke Trewyn who also added a game high 9 rebounds. Abbie Reeves added 11 points. The WARHAWKS outscored the Muskies 26-8 off the bench.
Kayla Clark had a game high 16 points to lead the Muskies.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2015, 01:22:22 PM
Post by: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2015, 01:22:22 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2015, 08:22:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2015, 08:22:43 PM
The WARHAWKS had their offense in full gear and won a pair of games defeating Berea College (80-61) and Manchester University (90-42) in Manchester's Main View Tip Off Tournament. Against Berea the score was tied 20-20 after the first quarter before the WARHAWKS built it to eleven 43-32 at the half and thirty one 68-47 three quarters of the way. Brooke Tweyn's 21 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds led the WARHAWKS. Lisa Palmer added a dozen points and Jaya Perkins and Andrea Meinert chipped in 10 points each . Seven WARHAWKS scored at least eight points. Defensively the WARHAWKS forced 21 turnovers leading to a 23-7 scoring advantage. Against Manchester the WARHAWKS led by just three, 17-14, at the quarter and just nine, 30-21, at the end of a low scoring first half. Things changed quickly in the third quarter as the WARHAWKS turned the pressure up a notch and ran away to a 62-29 advantage. Perkins finished with a game high 18 points. Abbie Reeves sank four from beyond the arc adding 14 points and both Maddie Bare (12 points) and Olivia Freckmann (10 points) each finished in double figures. Fleckmann added a game high 7 rebounds (shared w/Emily Jensen) and Malia Smith's 7 assists were also a game high. Offensively the team finished 50.7% from the floor including 45.5% ( 10-22) from beyond the arc. Defensively Manchester was held to 23.3% from the floor.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2015, 10:26:39 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 25, 2015, 10:26:39 AM
Illinois Wesleyan: 79
WARHAWKS: 96
An 11-4 run to close out the first quarter staked the WARHAWKS to an early 26-19 lead. When that was followed by an 11-0 run to start the second quarter the lead grew to 37-19 and later to a first half high of twenty five, 49-24, before the half ended with the WARHAWKS cruising 53-29. Sophomore guard Brooke Trewyn led all scorers with 14 points and Jaya Perkins added 11. The WARHAWKS pressure defense forced 17 Wesleyan turnovers and led to a 10-3 scoring advantage off of them and the bench held a ten point scoring advantage. Wesleyan shot a respectable 45% from the floor however the WARHAWKS shot a blistering 63.6% The lead reached thirty points 61-31 when the WARHAWKS started the second half with an 8-2 run and peaked at thirty one 70-39 when Andrea Olson hit a three pointer midway through the quarter. After Wesleyan shot better and made some runs of their own but seventeen is the closest they would get.
Trewyn finished with a career high 25 points. She was joined in double figures by Perkins (14), Andrea Meinert (13) and Abbie Reeves (12). Trewyn also led the team with 7 rebounds. Lisa Palmer added 6. Trewyn, Perkins, Olson and Milia Smith each had 4 assists. The WARHAWKS finished 58.2% from the floor and hit 25 of 29 free throws.
WARHAWKS: 96
An 11-4 run to close out the first quarter staked the WARHAWKS to an early 26-19 lead. When that was followed by an 11-0 run to start the second quarter the lead grew to 37-19 and later to a first half high of twenty five, 49-24, before the half ended with the WARHAWKS cruising 53-29. Sophomore guard Brooke Trewyn led all scorers with 14 points and Jaya Perkins added 11. The WARHAWKS pressure defense forced 17 Wesleyan turnovers and led to a 10-3 scoring advantage off of them and the bench held a ten point scoring advantage. Wesleyan shot a respectable 45% from the floor however the WARHAWKS shot a blistering 63.6% The lead reached thirty points 61-31 when the WARHAWKS started the second half with an 8-2 run and peaked at thirty one 70-39 when Andrea Olson hit a three pointer midway through the quarter. After Wesleyan shot better and made some runs of their own but seventeen is the closest they would get.
Trewyn finished with a career high 25 points. She was joined in double figures by Perkins (14), Andrea Meinert (13) and Abbie Reeves (12). Trewyn also led the team with 7 rebounds. Lisa Palmer added 6. Trewyn, Perkins, Olson and Milia Smith each had 4 assists. The WARHAWKS finished 58.2% from the floor and hit 25 of 29 free throws.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 29, 2015, 11:01:13 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 29, 2015, 11:01:13 PM
WARHAWKS: 79
Carroll: 55
WARHAWKS
1. 59-3% from the floor.
2. Rebounds: 37-21
3. Points in the paint: 46-30
4. Bench points: 44-4
5. Nine players score 6 + points
Andrea Olson: 15 points, Brooke Trewyn: 8 points - 45 assists, Malia Smith: 4 steals.
Malory Christenson had 21 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 3 steals for Carroll.
Carroll: 55
WARHAWKS
1. 59-3% from the floor.
2. Rebounds: 37-21
3. Points in the paint: 46-30
4. Bench points: 44-4
5. Nine players score 6 + points
Andrea Olson: 15 points, Brooke Trewyn: 8 points - 45 assists, Malia Smith: 4 steals.
Malory Christenson had 21 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 3 steals for Carroll.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 10, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 10, 2015, 01:36:29 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 10, 2015, 01:36:29 PM
Nice win by the Titans last night, especially the low turnover numbers. Continue to be impressed with Isabella Samuels in the post. Quite the find for UWO. 50 pushups for me after the game after getting a foul announced incorrectly. And I will will officially start the hash tag #NoFischTies for Coach fischer and his decision not to wear ties this season. Working so far. I expect a pretty darn good game Saturday against Norby.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on December 14, 2015, 10:57:54 AM
Post by: cubs on December 14, 2015, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on December 10, 2015, 01:36:29 PMSince when is a 1st Team All FRCC selection considered a "find?" (Unless I am misunderstanding what you meant...)
Nice win by the Titans last night, especially the low turnover numbers. Continue to be impressed with Isabella Samuels in the post. Quite the find for UWO. 50 pushups for me after the game after getting a foul announced incorrectly. And I will will officially start the hash tag #NoFischTies for Coach fischer and his decision not to wear ties this season. Working so far. I expect a pretty darn good game Saturday against Norby.
When I think of "finds," I think of guys like Jim Leonhard, Mark Tauscher, Joe Stellmacher, etc.. who went from being a walk-on to playing prominent roles.
Like I said, maybe I am misunderstanding the context of what you meant....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2015, 12:41:20 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2015, 12:41:20 PM
WARHAWKS: 73
Coe: 61
Leading by only two going into the final quarter the WARHAWKS open the quarter with a 7-2 run and lead by double figures for the last four minutes of the game improving to 7-0.
Bench points: WW: 40 Coe: 6
Andrea Mienert: 18 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 10 points, 9 rebounds
Andrea Olson: 10 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists
Jaya Perkins: 9 points, 3 assists
Malia Smith: 12 points
Coe: 61
Leading by only two going into the final quarter the WARHAWKS open the quarter with a 7-2 run and lead by double figures for the last four minutes of the game improving to 7-0.
Bench points: WW: 40 Coe: 6
Andrea Mienert: 18 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 10 points, 9 rebounds
Andrea Olson: 10 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists
Jaya Perkins: 9 points, 3 assists
Malia Smith: 12 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 15, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on December 15, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
How about "get". Quite the "get" for UWO.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2015, 09:42:13 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2015, 09:42:13 AM
The WARHAWKS traveled to San Juan PR and beat 15th ranked University of New England in a low scoring game 55-47. (Details to follow if and when available). They'll wrap up the trip today with a morning game against Hartwick College.
Despite shooting just 32% from the floor the WARHAWKS trailed by only a single point 25-24 at the half. The half was closely contested throughout with neither team holding a lead greater than six points at any time. Andrea Meinert led the WARHAWKS with six points while Abbie Reeves and Brooke Trewyn each added five points. New England built a six point lead midway through the third quarter but the WARHAWKS gradually cut into it and when Malia Smith sank a pair of free throws to end the quarter they led 39-37. Leading by two 49-47 with a little over a minute the WARHAWKS went 6 for 6 from the free throw line to seal the victory.
Malia Smith: 12 points
Abbie Reeves, Andrea Meinert: 9 points each
Reilly Stewart: 4 points, 3 assists
Free throws played a significant role. WW: 18-27 New England: 9-12
Despite shooting just 32% from the floor the WARHAWKS trailed by only a single point 25-24 at the half. The half was closely contested throughout with neither team holding a lead greater than six points at any time. Andrea Meinert led the WARHAWKS with six points while Abbie Reeves and Brooke Trewyn each added five points. New England built a six point lead midway through the third quarter but the WARHAWKS gradually cut into it and when Malia Smith sank a pair of free throws to end the quarter they led 39-37. Leading by two 49-47 with a little over a minute the WARHAWKS went 6 for 6 from the free throw line to seal the victory.
Malia Smith: 12 points
Abbie Reeves, Andrea Meinert: 9 points each
Reilly Stewart: 4 points, 3 assists
Free throws played a significant role. WW: 18-27 New England: 9-12
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2015, 12:37:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2015, 12:37:43 PM
Hartwick College: 40
WARHAWKS: 52
Trailing by five, 9-4, after the first five minutes four points from Brooke Trewyn tied the game and the WARHAWKS took the lead when Abbie Reeves hit three jumpers to close out the quarter with an 11-0 run and 15-9 lead. The lead reached double figures briefly but afterward was never less than seven points before the half ended with the WARHAWKS holding a 28-19 lead. The WARHAWKS shot 60% from the floor and out rebounded HC 15-4. Reeves led all scorers with 8 points and she was supported by 6 points from Trewyn and 5 from both Andrea Meinert and Jaya Perkins. Hartwick would get to within five points on a couple of occasions in the third quarter and to within four points early in the final stanza but each time they made a move the WARHAWKS were able to make runs that eventually built the lead back into double figures for most of the last seven minutes of the game.
The WARHAWKS finished the game 54% from the floor and out rebounding HC 32-10 including 10-2 on the offensive end which led to an 11-1 scoring edge on second chance points.
Abbie Reeves: 12 points
Andrea Meinert: 9 points, 4 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 5 assists
Malia Smith: 6 steals
Olivia Freckmann: 6 points, 6 rebounds
WARHAWKS: 52
Trailing by five, 9-4, after the first five minutes four points from Brooke Trewyn tied the game and the WARHAWKS took the lead when Abbie Reeves hit three jumpers to close out the quarter with an 11-0 run and 15-9 lead. The lead reached double figures briefly but afterward was never less than seven points before the half ended with the WARHAWKS holding a 28-19 lead. The WARHAWKS shot 60% from the floor and out rebounded HC 15-4. Reeves led all scorers with 8 points and she was supported by 6 points from Trewyn and 5 from both Andrea Meinert and Jaya Perkins. Hartwick would get to within five points on a couple of occasions in the third quarter and to within four points early in the final stanza but each time they made a move the WARHAWKS were able to make runs that eventually built the lead back into double figures for most of the last seven minutes of the game.
The WARHAWKS finished the game 54% from the floor and out rebounding HC 32-10 including 10-2 on the offensive end which led to an 11-1 scoring edge on second chance points.
Abbie Reeves: 12 points
Andrea Meinert: 9 points, 4 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 5 assists
Malia Smith: 6 steals
Olivia Freckmann: 6 points, 6 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 29, 2015, 07:01:01 PM
Post by: JMM on December 29, 2015, 07:01:01 PM
See that Wartburg beat Oshkosh by over 10 points. I think this indicates that the WIAC is going to be very exciting with this year's winner maybe having 3-4 losses in conference alone. RF, WW, SP, OSH and EC all have pretty good teams. SP and EC have played pretty heavy schedules so far as compared to RF and OSH. I thnk we will see WW as champs. SP in second w OSH RF and EC somewhere in 3rd to 5th. I expect EC will only get better. Their record does not reflect how good they can be. So hang on the WIAC should be very competative and exciting. SP and WW are really back to where they were a few years ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 29, 2015, 11:02:35 PM
Post by: JMM on December 29, 2015, 11:02:35 PM
Will get a good feel for OSH tomorrow when they play the Tommies. SP should of beat St Thomas and lost by 3 points in the end.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: JMM on December 30, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
Looks like SP s on their way up in the national rankings and OSH on their way down. WW has a pretty good test against Luther tomorrow. I think they will pass it.Luther s very good and could pose problems to WW. Think it will be an exciting year in the WIAC. Look for OSH to drop maybe to 18 nationally and SP to maybe be ahead of OSH. OSH will have another tough battle against RF (9-1) for their first WIAC game. SP should not look past EC next week, they are pretty good. Though it is rare when EC wins at SP. Also look for Wartburg to move up into the top 15 with only one loss very early in the season. They are a very good team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
WARHAWKS: 61
Edgewood: 42
This game was over nearly as quickly as it started. The WARHAWKS held the Eagles to 17% shooting and just 10 points in the first half while putting 31 on the board themselves. The WARHAWKS didn't shoot that well (36%) but had a 24-13 advantage on the boards including 14-4 on the offensive end and forced 15 Edgewood turnovers which led to 14-2 and 16-2 scoring advantages respectively. Andrea Meinert's 8 points paced the team. Malia Smith added 6 points, 3 assists and 2 steals. The WARHAWKS lead reached a high of 32 points 52-20 with just over three minutes and never was less than twenty until the last minute and half of the game. The WARHAWKS used all twenty one players dressed and thirteen scored points. No one played more than 15 minutes. The WARHAWKS only shot 35% from the floor but, thanks to a 46-26 rebounding advantage and forcing 22 turnovers, took 68 shots to just 38 by the Eagles. Abbie Reeves led the WARHAWKS with 16 points. Malia Smith added 8 points and finished with game high assists (5) and steals (3).
Rachel Pope scored a game high 17 points to lead Edgewood.
Luther is the opponent tomorrow for an 11am tip off. I'm told and JMM concurs that they are a pretty decent team. I'm not crazy about the tip off time.
It was my first time in JustAGame Fieldhouse. It's an interesting place. Between the Pepsi bleachers, the countless advertising banners and the seemingly endless number of basketball and volleyball games they do we thought they must be doing pretty well. I remember reading somewhere that they've been talking about putting baseball and softball diamonds in. There is already the facility at Woodside Ranch which only 20-25 miles from the Dells. I'd love to own the bar/restrauant across the street. I have to think they probably do well also.
Edgewood: 42
This game was over nearly as quickly as it started. The WARHAWKS held the Eagles to 17% shooting and just 10 points in the first half while putting 31 on the board themselves. The WARHAWKS didn't shoot that well (36%) but had a 24-13 advantage on the boards including 14-4 on the offensive end and forced 15 Edgewood turnovers which led to 14-2 and 16-2 scoring advantages respectively. Andrea Meinert's 8 points paced the team. Malia Smith added 6 points, 3 assists and 2 steals. The WARHAWKS lead reached a high of 32 points 52-20 with just over three minutes and never was less than twenty until the last minute and half of the game. The WARHAWKS used all twenty one players dressed and thirteen scored points. No one played more than 15 minutes. The WARHAWKS only shot 35% from the floor but, thanks to a 46-26 rebounding advantage and forcing 22 turnovers, took 68 shots to just 38 by the Eagles. Abbie Reeves led the WARHAWKS with 16 points. Malia Smith added 8 points and finished with game high assists (5) and steals (3).
Rachel Pope scored a game high 17 points to lead Edgewood.
Luther is the opponent tomorrow for an 11am tip off. I'm told and JMM concurs that they are a pretty decent team. I'm not crazy about the tip off time.
It was my first time in JustAGame Fieldhouse. It's an interesting place. Between the Pepsi bleachers, the countless advertising banners and the seemingly endless number of basketball and volleyball games they do we thought they must be doing pretty well. I remember reading somewhere that they've been talking about putting baseball and softball diamonds in. There is already the facility at Woodside Ranch which only 20-25 miles from the Dells. I'd love to own the bar/restrauant across the street. I have to think they probably do well also.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on December 31, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
Post by: JMM on December 31, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
WW hangs tough to beat Luther in two OT. Pretty clutch play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 01, 2016, 12:43:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 01, 2016, 12:43:30 PM
There were so many clutch plays by both teams in the game that it was amazing. I wasn't sure it would ever end let alone that we'd come out on top.
#14 WARHAWKS (11-0): 76
#25 Luther (8-3): 73 2OT
Spectators got their $8 worth watching this one as the two teams combined for 30 ties (18) and lead changes (12). The WARHAWKS scored first and held a single digit lead for the first six and half minutes of the game before Luther took their first and only lead in the quarter. However the WARHAWKS reclaimed the lead on their next possession and the quarter ended 11-9 WARHAWKS. The lead remained in single digits through out the second stanza. It grew to a high of seven points twice but Luther made a 5-0 run cutting it two before Andrea Meinert's layup made the halftime score 25-21. Neither team shot that well WW: 35% L: 19%. WHITEWATER made six more baskets than Luther however Luther went 8-12 from the free throw line and the WARHAWKS failed to get to the line. The WARHAWKS depth was a factor as our bench outscored theirs 16-4 and we were getting the ball inside outscoring the Norse 18-0 in the paint. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly the first half saw only one tie and 2 lead changes. Meinert's 6 points led all scorers while Andrea Olson and Oliva Freckmann each had 4 points. A pair of baskets and free throws to start the second half pulled the Norse into a tie 27-27 and a and one and three pointer propelled them to a six point lead 33-27 and it looked as if they were starting to take control. However the WARHAWKS rallied and baskets from Malia Smith, Fleckmann and Mienert paired with Mienert's free throw regained the lead 34-33. That lead grew to and remained at four 41-37 when the quarter ended. The Norse opened the fourth quarter with a three pointer and though Abbie Reeves matched it they continued to cut into the lead and went ahead 47-46. A Norse three pointer pushed the lead to four but Brooke Trewyn matched it and followed that with a pair of free throws to put the WARHAWKS ahead 51-50. The lead see-sawed after that and with forty seconds left the Norse led 56-55. Reeves hit a clutch three pointer to make it 58-56 but the Norse tied it with a offensive rebound put back at the buzzer and the teams headed to overtime. Another three pointer from Reeves opened the overtime and the WARHAWKS held a lead for the first half of the period. But the Nose rallied tied it 64-64 and took a four point lead 68-64 with a minute and half to go. But behind Reeves the WARHAWKS rallied when the senior scored five straight giving them a 69-68 lead with twenty four seconds to go. A foul with six seconds left put the Norse on the free throw line with a chance to win. However they only made one and the game moved to double OT. It was the Norse who took the lead in the second OT and held it for the first three minutes when Jaya Perkins' basket tied it and after the Norse went back ahead Perkins drained a three pointer giving the WARHAWKS a 74-73 lead with thirty-five seconds left. The Norse missed both of their remaining shot attempts and Meinert hit two free throws between them for the final score.
Reeves finished with 19 points, 16 of which came in the second half and first overtime. Reeves added 8 rebounds. Meinert finished with 11 points and also had 8 rebounds. Olson and Trewyn each had 9 points. Perkins scored five of her seven points in the final OT. The WARHAWKS hit 8 more baskets than the Norse including 2 additional three pointers but the Norse went 25-32 from the free throw line while the WARHAWKS only shot 14 free throws making 10. The WARHAWKS bench outscored the Norse 33-22 and the team outscored them 32-14 in the paint.
Moran Lonning had a double/double 17 points, 10 rebounds and added 5 steals for the Norse. I believe she was the IIAC POY last year. Luther came into the weekend 8-1 with wins over WIAC members LaCrosse, Platteville, EauClaire and River Falls. They left 8-3 with losses to WIAC members Stevens Point and us.
#14 WARHAWKS (11-0): 76
#25 Luther (8-3): 73 2OT
Spectators got their $8 worth watching this one as the two teams combined for 30 ties (18) and lead changes (12). The WARHAWKS scored first and held a single digit lead for the first six and half minutes of the game before Luther took their first and only lead in the quarter. However the WARHAWKS reclaimed the lead on their next possession and the quarter ended 11-9 WARHAWKS. The lead remained in single digits through out the second stanza. It grew to a high of seven points twice but Luther made a 5-0 run cutting it two before Andrea Meinert's layup made the halftime score 25-21. Neither team shot that well WW: 35% L: 19%. WHITEWATER made six more baskets than Luther however Luther went 8-12 from the free throw line and the WARHAWKS failed to get to the line. The WARHAWKS depth was a factor as our bench outscored theirs 16-4 and we were getting the ball inside outscoring the Norse 18-0 in the paint. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly the first half saw only one tie and 2 lead changes. Meinert's 6 points led all scorers while Andrea Olson and Oliva Freckmann each had 4 points. A pair of baskets and free throws to start the second half pulled the Norse into a tie 27-27 and a and one and three pointer propelled them to a six point lead 33-27 and it looked as if they were starting to take control. However the WARHAWKS rallied and baskets from Malia Smith, Fleckmann and Mienert paired with Mienert's free throw regained the lead 34-33. That lead grew to and remained at four 41-37 when the quarter ended. The Norse opened the fourth quarter with a three pointer and though Abbie Reeves matched it they continued to cut into the lead and went ahead 47-46. A Norse three pointer pushed the lead to four but Brooke Trewyn matched it and followed that with a pair of free throws to put the WARHAWKS ahead 51-50. The lead see-sawed after that and with forty seconds left the Norse led 56-55. Reeves hit a clutch three pointer to make it 58-56 but the Norse tied it with a offensive rebound put back at the buzzer and the teams headed to overtime. Another three pointer from Reeves opened the overtime and the WARHAWKS held a lead for the first half of the period. But the Nose rallied tied it 64-64 and took a four point lead 68-64 with a minute and half to go. But behind Reeves the WARHAWKS rallied when the senior scored five straight giving them a 69-68 lead with twenty four seconds to go. A foul with six seconds left put the Norse on the free throw line with a chance to win. However they only made one and the game moved to double OT. It was the Norse who took the lead in the second OT and held it for the first three minutes when Jaya Perkins' basket tied it and after the Norse went back ahead Perkins drained a three pointer giving the WARHAWKS a 74-73 lead with thirty-five seconds left. The Norse missed both of their remaining shot attempts and Meinert hit two free throws between them for the final score.
Reeves finished with 19 points, 16 of which came in the second half and first overtime. Reeves added 8 rebounds. Meinert finished with 11 points and also had 8 rebounds. Olson and Trewyn each had 9 points. Perkins scored five of her seven points in the final OT. The WARHAWKS hit 8 more baskets than the Norse including 2 additional three pointers but the Norse went 25-32 from the free throw line while the WARHAWKS only shot 14 free throws making 10. The WARHAWKS bench outscored the Norse 33-22 and the team outscored them 32-14 in the paint.
Moran Lonning had a double/double 17 points, 10 rebounds and added 5 steals for the Norse. I believe she was the IIAC POY last year. Luther came into the weekend 8-1 with wins over WIAC members LaCrosse, Platteville, EauClaire and River Falls. They left 8-3 with losses to WIAC members Stevens Point and us.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 02, 2016, 05:34:15 PM
Post by: JMM on January 02, 2016, 05:34:15 PM
took in the Stout and St Mary's (9-1) game. Stout lost 73-72. It is a game Stout could have won. The Blue Devils are playing very well and coach Mark has his two platoon system working very well. Stout has served notice n recent games that they will be very competitive this year in the WIAC. Stout has 10-11 very disciplined and solid players and is exceptional at driving to the basket and moving the ball. I really see the WIAC full of solid teams that are capable of winning on any given night. SP should be able to beat WW at least once this year. OSH will also be able to beat WW at least once. EC should be able to beat OSH at least once and RF should also record some decisive wins. The action starts next week. I still expect the first place team to have at least 3 losses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 06, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
Post by: JMM on January 06, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
some predictions for first night of WIAC :
RF over OSH by 7
WW over STOUT by 6 (closer game than WW expects)
SP over EC by 12
LAX over PLT by 9
My heart goes out to OSH. It is really hard to have national attention early in the year. It puts much added pressure on you. It happened to WW several ago when they started the year ranked #1. Hope OSH can regroup and get back to form. The WIAC has some great teams this year. RF has now clearly demonstrated they are one of them....
RF over OSH by 7
WW over STOUT by 6 (closer game than WW expects)
SP over EC by 12
LAX over PLT by 9
My heart goes out to OSH. It is really hard to have national attention early in the year. It puts much added pressure on you. It happened to WW several ago when they started the year ranked #1. Hope OSH can regroup and get back to form. The WIAC has some great teams this year. RF has now clearly demonstrated they are one of them....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 07, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 07, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Just a rough game for UWO last night. Some early bunnies missed let RF take a 16-4 lead, and it was catch up from there. Got it to within 5 late, but couldn't get over the hump. Mehus was other worldly last night. And UWO could not take advantage of getting to the line for 35FTA. Convert on half of the 19FT missed, and make half of the missed bunnies and UWO wins by 10+. Hopefully the ship can get back on course.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 07, 2016, 11:48:32 AM
Post by: JMM on January 07, 2016, 11:48:32 AM
to OSH fans.....The WIAC season has just started. Hang tight, it will be a battle to the end. OSH will be right there. The conference winner will have at least 3 losses.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2016, 12:34:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 07, 2016, 12:34:12 PM
Stout: 60
WARHAWKS: 72
Emily Jensen's free throws got the WARHAWKS on the board first. The lead changed hands twice in the first with the WARHAWKS largest lead reaching seven points twice before the quarter ended 21-17 WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS maintained their lead throughout the second half however it was always in single digits and the half ended with the score 39-31. The Blue Devils essentially rotated five players at time however the WARHAWKS bench outscored the Blue Devil's 10-4. Malia Smith went 4-5 from the floor and led the WARHAWKS with 9 points. Lisa Palmer followed with 8 points and Andrea Meinert also had 8 points and added 4 rebounds. Jensen scored the first points of the second half and pushed the lead to double figures. For the next few minutes it fluctuated between single and double digits. Back to back layups by Palmer in the sixth minute made the score 47-36 and after that the WARHAWKS built the lead up to nineteen points 55-36. Stout would cut it down to eleven, 57-46, with a run of their own before the quarter ended 60-47. Stout pulled to within nine points twice in the final quarter but that was as close as they could get.
Lisa Palmer: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block
Maddie Bare: 12 points (2-4 3pts), 3 assists, 3 steals, 1 block
Malia Smith: 11 points
Andrea Meinert: 10 points, 7 rebounds
Abbie Reeves: 9 points
Kyleih Hebert had a game high 15 points and Baily Diersen added 12 for the Blue Devils.
WARHAWKS: 72
Emily Jensen's free throws got the WARHAWKS on the board first. The lead changed hands twice in the first with the WARHAWKS largest lead reaching seven points twice before the quarter ended 21-17 WARHAWKS. The WARHAWKS maintained their lead throughout the second half however it was always in single digits and the half ended with the score 39-31. The Blue Devils essentially rotated five players at time however the WARHAWKS bench outscored the Blue Devil's 10-4. Malia Smith went 4-5 from the floor and led the WARHAWKS with 9 points. Lisa Palmer followed with 8 points and Andrea Meinert also had 8 points and added 4 rebounds. Jensen scored the first points of the second half and pushed the lead to double figures. For the next few minutes it fluctuated between single and double digits. Back to back layups by Palmer in the sixth minute made the score 47-36 and after that the WARHAWKS built the lead up to nineteen points 55-36. Stout would cut it down to eleven, 57-46, with a run of their own before the quarter ended 60-47. Stout pulled to within nine points twice in the final quarter but that was as close as they could get.
Lisa Palmer: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block
Maddie Bare: 12 points (2-4 3pts), 3 assists, 3 steals, 1 block
Malia Smith: 11 points
Andrea Meinert: 10 points, 7 rebounds
Abbie Reeves: 9 points
Kyleih Hebert had a game high 15 points and Baily Diersen added 12 for the Blue Devils.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 10, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
WARHAWKS: 56
Stevens Point: 63
Fouls/Free Throws
WARHAWKS: 30/6-10
Point: 14/26-31
Despite either beating them or playing even with them in virtually every measurable statistic otherwise the Pointers commit fewer than half as many fouls and shoot more than three times the number of free throws and the WARHAWKS lose their first game of the season. There were a combination of twenty ties and lead changes and neither team's lead ever exceeded eight points.
Lisa Palmer: 15 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Andrea Mienert: 12 points
Brooke Trewyn: 11 points, 6 rebounds
Malia Smith: 13 points
Stevens Point: 63
Fouls/Free Throws
WARHAWKS: 30/6-10
Point: 14/26-31
Despite either beating them or playing even with them in virtually every measurable statistic otherwise the Pointers commit fewer than half as many fouls and shoot more than three times the number of free throws and the WARHAWKS lose their first game of the season. There were a combination of twenty ties and lead changes and neither team's lead ever exceeded eight points.
Lisa Palmer: 15 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Andrea Mienert: 12 points
Brooke Trewyn: 11 points, 6 rebounds
Malia Smith: 13 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 10, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
Post by: JMM on January 10, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
is it me, or were the warhawks called for a ton of fouls and only a dozen or so on SP.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
Quote from: JMM on January 10, 2016, 07:13:21 PM
is it me, or were the warhawks called for a ton of fouls and only a dozen or so on SP.
Yes, it's you.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2016, 02:26:47 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2016, 02:26:47 PM
Box score looks like fouls were 25-14, not 30-14.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Thanks. Was wondering if the refs put the clamps on WW tight,tight defense. It has not been as devastating as it was back a few years ago.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on January 11, 2016, 02:39:43 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 11, 2016, 02:39:43 PM
Also, at least 4 of the UWW fouls were in the last couple of minutes when the Warhawks were behind and needed the ball and UWSP went 8-8 from the line.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Roundball999 on January 11, 2016, 02:44:07 PM
Post by: Roundball999 on January 11, 2016, 02:44:07 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Thanks. Was wondering if the refs put the clamps on WW tight,tight defense. It has not been as devastating as it was back a few years ago.
As good as they are now, they had some fabulous defenders (Thill, etc) a couple years back that are hard to duplicate.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
Now the foul total makes sense. Waiting to see how WW matches up w RF. I never likes the low ceiling there. Other than that not a bad place to play. The Quite a few good teams this year in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:57:40 PM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 02:57:40 PM
I have seen many, many WW games over the past 13-14 years. The defense ruined many an Eau Clare night. Trap, Trap and Trap again.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
I think the (just-in-time, dagger) 3 point shots may have been as scary as the defense.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2016, 04:15:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 11, 2016, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on January 11, 2016, 02:26:47 PM
Box score looks like fouls were 25-14, not 30-14.
My bad I see now that I mistakenly quoted the total rebound number. Apparently when I scrolled down my eye moved one column to the left in the box score. I tried to be careful not to editorialize about it and just indicate the numbers because they were the difference in the game. We're looking forward to the rematch but we've got a whole lot of other things to be concerned with in the meantime. We have a pretty decent team but I think #6 may have been a tad overinflated.
JMM, my "it's you" comment was done with tongue firmly planted in cheek. I should have put a winking guy afterward to make my intent clearer.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 04:20:40 PM
Post by: JMM on January 11, 2016, 04:20:40 PM
Don't mind "its you" comment, I did ask after all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 13, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
Post by: JMM on January 13, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
Jan 13 predicts:
RF over WW
EC over ST
OSH over LAX
SP over PLT
RF over WW
EC over ST
OSH over LAX
SP over PLT
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2016, 12:24:12 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2016, 12:24:12 PM
WARHAWKS: 65
River Falls: 78
The WARHAWKS got the first basket but it was the Falcons building a double digit lead within the first five minutes of the game. The lead would shrink to single digits on a couple of occasions in the second quarter reaching a low of six, 29-23, before the Falcon finished the final five and half minutes of the half with a 17-7 run and a sixteen point lead 46-30. The Falcons shot a blistering 68% and went 17-20 from the free throw line while holding the WARHAWKS to 32% from the field. Trailing by thirteen after three quarters the WARHAWKS reduced the deficit to single digits pulling to within eight, 69-61, with four minutes remaining before finishing the game by missing six of their last seven shots.
Abbie Reeves: 14 points
Malia Smith: 13 points, 3 assists, 4 steals
Jaya Perkins: 13 points
River Falls: 78
The WARHAWKS got the first basket but it was the Falcons building a double digit lead within the first five minutes of the game. The lead would shrink to single digits on a couple of occasions in the second quarter reaching a low of six, 29-23, before the Falcon finished the final five and half minutes of the half with a 17-7 run and a sixteen point lead 46-30. The Falcons shot a blistering 68% and went 17-20 from the free throw line while holding the WARHAWKS to 32% from the field. Trailing by thirteen after three quarters the WARHAWKS reduced the deficit to single digits pulling to within eight, 69-61, with four minutes remaining before finishing the game by missing six of their last seven shots.
Abbie Reeves: 14 points
Malia Smith: 13 points, 3 assists, 4 steals
Jaya Perkins: 13 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2016, 12:59:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 18, 2016, 12:59:32 PM
La Crosse: 47
WARHAWKS: 79
Reeling after consecutive loses Coach Carollo inserted Riley Stewart and Andrea Olson into the starting lineup and both responded with points in the opening minutes as the WARHAWKS jumped out in front and with the exception of a single tied score built the lead to a high of 17-6 before the quarter ended 19-12. The Eagles remained competitive in the second quarter pulling to within four points 21-17 before falling behind by eleven 30-19 and finishing the half trailing 33-24. Jaya Perkins 6 points led the WARHAWKS with Stewart and Andrea Meinert adding 5 points apiece. Defensively the WARHAWKS forced 15 Eagle turnovers which included 4 steals by Malia Smith. The game essentially ended in the opening four and half minutes of the third quarter when the WARHAWKS opened with a 12-1 run building the lead to a high of twenty six points with three and half minutes remaining. The Eagles failed to score a basket from the field in the quarter getting all seven of their points from the free throw line and trailed 54-33 when it ended. Twenty one points is as close as the Eagles could get in the final quarter. The Eagles ball handling continued in the second half with another 14 turnovers for a god awful 29 on the game giving the WARHAWKS a 43-13 scoring advantage off them and 6-0 off the fast break.
Perkins: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Stewart: 14 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Olson: 11 points
Brooke Trewyn: 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks
WARHAWKS: 79
Reeling after consecutive loses Coach Carollo inserted Riley Stewart and Andrea Olson into the starting lineup and both responded with points in the opening minutes as the WARHAWKS jumped out in front and with the exception of a single tied score built the lead to a high of 17-6 before the quarter ended 19-12. The Eagles remained competitive in the second quarter pulling to within four points 21-17 before falling behind by eleven 30-19 and finishing the half trailing 33-24. Jaya Perkins 6 points led the WARHAWKS with Stewart and Andrea Meinert adding 5 points apiece. Defensively the WARHAWKS forced 15 Eagle turnovers which included 4 steals by Malia Smith. The game essentially ended in the opening four and half minutes of the third quarter when the WARHAWKS opened with a 12-1 run building the lead to a high of twenty six points with three and half minutes remaining. The Eagles failed to score a basket from the field in the quarter getting all seven of their points from the free throw line and trailed 54-33 when it ended. Twenty one points is as close as the Eagles could get in the final quarter. The Eagles ball handling continued in the second half with another 14 turnovers for a god awful 29 on the game giving the WARHAWKS a 43-13 scoring advantage off them and 6-0 off the fast break.
Perkins: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Stewart: 14 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Olson: 11 points
Brooke Trewyn: 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 18, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
Post by: JMM on January 18, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
4 WIAC Schools n the top 18 this week on D3hoops. Looking good WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2016, 08:23:23 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 18, 2016, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: JMM on January 18, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
4 WIAC Schools n the top 18 this week on D3hoops. Looking good WIAC.
WIAC and CCIW are almost mirror images in men's and women's. The CCIW women almost dropped entirely out, as Wheaton fell to #24 and no one else received any votes (the CCIW men occupy slots 2, 3, and 25). Meanwhile, the WIAC men fell totally out of the Top 25 (UWW retained 38 points, good for 3rd among ORV; UWRF got one point).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2016, 09:04:47 PM
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2016, 09:04:47 PM
Congratulations to Shirely Egner of UWSP who won her 500th game. She is the 27th Division III coach in history to win 500 games.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 19, 2016, 06:25:38 PM
Post by: JMM on January 19, 2016, 06:25:38 PM
Jan 20th guesses on the games"
OSH over WW. The scoring deluge against SP and the rise in national ratings may get the Titans totally back in the groove.
SP over RF. Hard for visitors to win at "Berg". I am a RF believer watching them freeze out EC in the first half last weekend.
EC over PLT. Look for O'toole to come close to 30 points again.
LAX needs a win but think this one s going to Stout
OSH over WW. The scoring deluge against SP and the rise in national ratings may get the Titans totally back in the groove.
SP over RF. Hard for visitors to win at "Berg". I am a RF believer watching them freeze out EC in the first half last weekend.
EC over PLT. Look for O'toole to come close to 30 points again.
LAX needs a win but think this one s going to Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 20, 2016, 11:30:33 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 20, 2016, 11:30:33 AM
Stout over LX
EC over PLT
RF over SP
I will Kirk Herbstreit the UWO/WW game and not pick it.
EC over PLT
RF over SP
I will Kirk Herbstreit the UWO/WW game and not pick it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 20, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
Post by: JMM on January 20, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
So Voice of the Titans, you speak no evil against the Titans?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 20, 2016, 10:46:54 PM
Post by: JMM on January 20, 2016, 10:46:54 PM
Well I look forward to the EC/WW game next Saturday. It is a huge game for EC if they are really going to contend this year. It is also a important game for WW. I think O'toole leads all WIAC conference play scoring. RF was able to shut her down for the first half last Saturday but not the second half. More on the WW/EC game before weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2016, 12:20:03 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 21, 2016, 12:20:03 PM
Oshkosh: 79
WARHAWKS: 66
Reilly Stewart hit a three pointer to open the scoring and staked the WARHAWKS with a lead but the Titans scored the next four points taking a lead that wouldn't exceed four points and they would hold to the final minute of the quarter when Brooke Trewyn hit a pair of free throws tying the game 14-14 when the quarter ended. The Titans hit the first basket of the second stanza to regain the lead and built it to a high of seven points on a couple of occasions before the half ended up five 31-26. The Titans outshot the WARHAWKS 55% to 43% and hit 3 of 6 three pointers while the WARHAWKS managed only the initial one. Stewart's 9 points led the WARHAWKS with Andrea Olson adding 5 points. Taylor Schmidt and Alex Richard each had 8 points to pace the Titans. The Titans went off in the third quarter hitting 7 or 9 shots from the floor including 3 of 5 three point baskets and went 10 of 11 from the free throw line. The WARHAWKS kept the deficit in single digits for the first six minutes of the period but the Titans had an answer for every challenge which too often was a three point basket or a trip to the foul line. In the final four minutes of the period the lead was in and out of double figures (10 points) though the WARHAWKS scored the last four points pulling to within six, 57-51. Two Titan three point baskets to open the fourth quarter pushed their lead back into double digits and nine is as close as the WARHAWKS would get the rest of the way. The Titans finished 52% from the floor including a ridiculous 9 of 15 from beyond the arc, 26 of 30 from the free throw line and dominated the boards 30-19 outscoring the WARHAWKS 36-20 in the paint.
WARHAWKS
Trewyn: 12 points, 5 rebounds
Stewart: 11 points, 2 steals
Malia Smith: 11 points, 2 assists, 2 steals
Andrea Olson: 11 points
Andrea Meinert: 10 points
Titans:
Schmidt: 23 points (3-5 3pt), 5 assists
Eliza Campbell: 12 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Richard: 10 points
Ashley Neustifter: 10 points
WARHAWKS: 66
Reilly Stewart hit a three pointer to open the scoring and staked the WARHAWKS with a lead but the Titans scored the next four points taking a lead that wouldn't exceed four points and they would hold to the final minute of the quarter when Brooke Trewyn hit a pair of free throws tying the game 14-14 when the quarter ended. The Titans hit the first basket of the second stanza to regain the lead and built it to a high of seven points on a couple of occasions before the half ended up five 31-26. The Titans outshot the WARHAWKS 55% to 43% and hit 3 of 6 three pointers while the WARHAWKS managed only the initial one. Stewart's 9 points led the WARHAWKS with Andrea Olson adding 5 points. Taylor Schmidt and Alex Richard each had 8 points to pace the Titans. The Titans went off in the third quarter hitting 7 or 9 shots from the floor including 3 of 5 three point baskets and went 10 of 11 from the free throw line. The WARHAWKS kept the deficit in single digits for the first six minutes of the period but the Titans had an answer for every challenge which too often was a three point basket or a trip to the foul line. In the final four minutes of the period the lead was in and out of double figures (10 points) though the WARHAWKS scored the last four points pulling to within six, 57-51. Two Titan three point baskets to open the fourth quarter pushed their lead back into double digits and nine is as close as the WARHAWKS would get the rest of the way. The Titans finished 52% from the floor including a ridiculous 9 of 15 from beyond the arc, 26 of 30 from the free throw line and dominated the boards 30-19 outscoring the WARHAWKS 36-20 in the paint.
WARHAWKS
Trewyn: 12 points, 5 rebounds
Stewart: 11 points, 2 steals
Malia Smith: 11 points, 2 assists, 2 steals
Andrea Olson: 11 points
Andrea Meinert: 10 points
Titans:
Schmidt: 23 points (3-5 3pt), 5 assists
Eliza Campbell: 12 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Richard: 10 points
Ashley Neustifter: 10 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 22, 2016, 09:09:56 AM
Post by: JMM on January 22, 2016, 09:09:56 AM
Saturday guesses:
OSH over Stout
RF over PLT
SP over LAX
EC over WW
I think EC will dominate underneath. Also believe EC will win the rebounding game. EC has faced some pretty tough defense this year (Wartburg, Luther and N Central) and done pretty well against the super press. WW will need to do well in outside shooting and the 3pt range to win. This is EC game to win or lose. EC can't afford the mental lapses that have cost them 2-3 game this year. EC cannot let WW drive to the basket as they did against RF in the first half. Crowds have been pretty good at Zorn this year. Playing at 7 pm also helps EC. Has the EC team matured to the point of beating a really good team. That is the question. Let's say they have and EC wins by 7. If the refs call a tight game w no room for fouls, EC wins by 12. (Englund might take a chapter from the Egner book and get on the refs early about WW playing a little to close - Refs call all the fouls at "Shirley's House".....).
OSH over Stout
RF over PLT
SP over LAX
EC over WW
I think EC will dominate underneath. Also believe EC will win the rebounding game. EC has faced some pretty tough defense this year (Wartburg, Luther and N Central) and done pretty well against the super press. WW will need to do well in outside shooting and the 3pt range to win. This is EC game to win or lose. EC can't afford the mental lapses that have cost them 2-3 game this year. EC cannot let WW drive to the basket as they did against RF in the first half. Crowds have been pretty good at Zorn this year. Playing at 7 pm also helps EC. Has the EC team matured to the point of beating a really good team. That is the question. Let's say they have and EC wins by 7. If the refs call a tight game w no room for fouls, EC wins by 12. (Englund might take a chapter from the Egner book and get on the refs early about WW playing a little to close - Refs call all the fouls at "Shirley's House".....).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 22, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 22, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
OSH and Stout No pick.
RF over PLT
SP over LAX
WW over EC
RF over PLT
SP over LAX
WW over EC
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 23, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
Post by: JMM on January 23, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
WW did not stop O'toole and certainly did not shoot good from outside. The refs called a very tight game and called every foul. That said, WW being WW found a way to eek out the win in the last 2 minutes. I believe Badgerhawk would agree that WW was pretty darn flat (as were many of the EC players). O'toole had 28.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2016, 10:49:55 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2016, 10:49:55 AM
I haven't had a chance to look at anything about the game last night JMM but what I do know at this point is how difficult a gym that is for us. It was only a couple of years ago that Coach C won for the first time. I'll post a wrap later but right now I'm off to a birthday party.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2016, 03:37:02 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 24, 2016, 03:37:02 PM
WARHAWKS: 54
Eau Claire: 52
Eau Claire got the first point of the game but Lisa Palmer answered with a layup and the WARHAWKS took the lead and held it for the entire first quarter. The BluGolds were held to just seven points in the quarter and when it ended the WARHAWKS lead had grown to double figures, 17-7. Andrea Olson's layup opened the scoring in the second stanza giving the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the first half but the BluGolds responded with a six point run and after that they gradually closed the gap until Erin O'Toole's layup with thirty seconds remaining gave the BluGolds their first lead since the opening point 26-25 when the half ended. The WARHAWKS took nineteen more shots than the BluGolds (41-22) but shot a horrid 24% including 0% (0-9) from beyond the arc. Lisa Palmer's 7 points and Brooke Trewyn's 6 rebounds paced the WARHAWKS. The BluGolds were led by O'Toole with 14 points and 8 boards. The BluGolds continued to lead for the first couple of minutes of the third quarter until Malia Smith sank a layup creating the first lead change of the second half 30-28. Over the next four minutes Eau Claire would tie the game and fall behind again until O'Toole hit a pair of free throws at the three minute mark and put them ahead 38-36. In the final three minutes the two teams would be tied once and exchange the lead twice before the quarter ended 42-41 in favor of Eau Claire. The final quarter would see the two teams tie three times and exchange the lead three times. The BluGolds led by six 51-45 with just under five minutes to play. From that point on the BluGolds missed their final seven shots, turned the ball over once and went 1 of 2 from the charity stripe. The WARHAWKS didn't shoot much better making only one of five shots but it was a three pointer and we went 6 of 8 from the free throw line to pull ahead and seal the win. It was Eau Claire who shot 24% in the second half while the WARHAWKS improved slightly to 30%. The WARHAWKS bench was a big factor in the game outscoring the BluGolds 24-8. Ball possession was also a factor as the WARHAWKS finished with one of lowest turnover totals (8) if not the lowest of the season.
Trewyn: 16 points, 11 rebounds, assist, 1 block, 2 steals
Palmer: 9 points, 4 rebounds, 2 blocks
Stewart: 9 points
Malia Smith: 6 points, 6 rebounds, assist, 2 steals
Jaya Perkins: 6 points, 5 rebounds, assist
Eau Claire:
O'Toole: 28 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks
Kayla Hanley: 7 rebounds
Teenie Lichtfuss: 7 points, 2 assists, block, steal
Eau Claire: 52
Eau Claire got the first point of the game but Lisa Palmer answered with a layup and the WARHAWKS took the lead and held it for the entire first quarter. The BluGolds were held to just seven points in the quarter and when it ended the WARHAWKS lead had grown to double figures, 17-7. Andrea Olson's layup opened the scoring in the second stanza giving the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the first half but the BluGolds responded with a six point run and after that they gradually closed the gap until Erin O'Toole's layup with thirty seconds remaining gave the BluGolds their first lead since the opening point 26-25 when the half ended. The WARHAWKS took nineteen more shots than the BluGolds (41-22) but shot a horrid 24% including 0% (0-9) from beyond the arc. Lisa Palmer's 7 points and Brooke Trewyn's 6 rebounds paced the WARHAWKS. The BluGolds were led by O'Toole with 14 points and 8 boards. The BluGolds continued to lead for the first couple of minutes of the third quarter until Malia Smith sank a layup creating the first lead change of the second half 30-28. Over the next four minutes Eau Claire would tie the game and fall behind again until O'Toole hit a pair of free throws at the three minute mark and put them ahead 38-36. In the final three minutes the two teams would be tied once and exchange the lead twice before the quarter ended 42-41 in favor of Eau Claire. The final quarter would see the two teams tie three times and exchange the lead three times. The BluGolds led by six 51-45 with just under five minutes to play. From that point on the BluGolds missed their final seven shots, turned the ball over once and went 1 of 2 from the charity stripe. The WARHAWKS didn't shoot much better making only one of five shots but it was a three pointer and we went 6 of 8 from the free throw line to pull ahead and seal the win. It was Eau Claire who shot 24% in the second half while the WARHAWKS improved slightly to 30%. The WARHAWKS bench was a big factor in the game outscoring the BluGolds 24-8. Ball possession was also a factor as the WARHAWKS finished with one of lowest turnover totals (8) if not the lowest of the season.
Trewyn: 16 points, 11 rebounds, assist, 1 block, 2 steals
Palmer: 9 points, 4 rebounds, 2 blocks
Stewart: 9 points
Malia Smith: 6 points, 6 rebounds, assist, 2 steals
Jaya Perkins: 6 points, 5 rebounds, assist
Eau Claire:
O'Toole: 28 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks
Kayla Hanley: 7 rebounds
Teenie Lichtfuss: 7 points, 2 assists, block, steal
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 28, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
WARHAWKS: 74
Platteville: 47
The WARHAWKS started poorly out of the gate missing their first five shots and committing a pair of turnovers before Riley Stewart hit a three pointer three minutes into the game for the first points. Fortunately Platteville didn't start any better missing four of five shots and turning the ball over once during the same time frame. From that point on the WARHAWKS maintained a single digit lead that reached a high of six points twice including 14-8 when the quarter ended. In the second quarter the Pioneers would pull into a tie 16-16 but a layup by Abbie Reeves followed by consecutive three point baskets by Reeves and a pair of free throws by Kate McKay pushed the WARHAWKS lead into double figures 26-16 with four minutes remaining in the half. That lead grew to a high of sixteen before a three point basket by the Pioneers made the score 34-19 at the half. Neither team shot well (WW: 29%, Platt: 30%) But the WARHAWKS defense forced 15 Pioneer turnovers creating a 17-5 scoring advantage off of them. With Reeves (15 points) and McKay (8 points) coming off the bench the WARHAWKS held a 29-6 scoring advantage. Kassie Buchholz had 7 points to lead the Pioneers. The WARHAWKS lead reached twenty points with less than a minute to play in the third quarter but the Pioneers made the last basket of the quarter which ended with the score 47-29. After that the Pioneers would get no closer than fifteen points and the lead would remain in the upper twenties for the game's final five minutes. Eighteen WARHAWKS saw the floor with eleven scoring points.
Reeves: 24 points (6 3pt baskets), 6 rebounds, 3:1 a:to, 3 steals
McKay: 14 points
Bench: 56-29
Pioneers:
Elisa Bilderback: 10 points
Morgan Horstman: 7 points, 6 rebounds
Platteville: 47
The WARHAWKS started poorly out of the gate missing their first five shots and committing a pair of turnovers before Riley Stewart hit a three pointer three minutes into the game for the first points. Fortunately Platteville didn't start any better missing four of five shots and turning the ball over once during the same time frame. From that point on the WARHAWKS maintained a single digit lead that reached a high of six points twice including 14-8 when the quarter ended. In the second quarter the Pioneers would pull into a tie 16-16 but a layup by Abbie Reeves followed by consecutive three point baskets by Reeves and a pair of free throws by Kate McKay pushed the WARHAWKS lead into double figures 26-16 with four minutes remaining in the half. That lead grew to a high of sixteen before a three point basket by the Pioneers made the score 34-19 at the half. Neither team shot well (WW: 29%, Platt: 30%) But the WARHAWKS defense forced 15 Pioneer turnovers creating a 17-5 scoring advantage off of them. With Reeves (15 points) and McKay (8 points) coming off the bench the WARHAWKS held a 29-6 scoring advantage. Kassie Buchholz had 7 points to lead the Pioneers. The WARHAWKS lead reached twenty points with less than a minute to play in the third quarter but the Pioneers made the last basket of the quarter which ended with the score 47-29. After that the Pioneers would get no closer than fifteen points and the lead would remain in the upper twenties for the game's final five minutes. Eighteen WARHAWKS saw the floor with eleven scoring points.
Reeves: 24 points (6 3pt baskets), 6 rebounds, 3:1 a:to, 3 steals
McKay: 14 points
Bench: 56-29
Pioneers:
Elisa Bilderback: 10 points
Morgan Horstman: 7 points, 6 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 04:33:34 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 31, 2016, 04:33:34 PM
There are just four weeks left in the regular season and teams are feeling the pressure to take care of business. Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to many coaches in the conference playoff mix. Whether they are trying to position themselves to stay at home for the tournament or just get into the playoffs, there is a lot on the line with less games to play.
You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31
Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach
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You can watch Hoopsville starting at 7:00 PM ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan31
Tonight's guests include (in order):
- Brad Fischer, No. 11 UW-Oshkosh women's coach
- Casey Stitzel, Delaware Valley men's coach
- Mary Beth Spirk, Moravian women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Drew Gaeng, Hendrix women's coach
- Joe Reilly, No. 25 Wesleyan men's coach
You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2016, 11:01:46 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2016, 11:01:46 AM
River Falls: 59
WARHAWKS: 62
As was the case on Wednesday the WARHAWKS started this game slow missing three shots and turning the ball over in their first four possessions allowing the Falcons to build 7-0 lead. Jaya Perkins layup got the WARHAWKS on the board with a little more than six minutes remaining in the quarter but the Falcons maintained their lead until Maddie Bare hit a three pointer tying the game 10-10 at four minutes. However the Falcons quickly jumped back on top and led 16-12 when the quarter ended. The Falcons maintained a lead for the first four minutes of the second quarter before Abbie Reeves three point basket gave the WARHAWKS their first lead of the game 19-18. The WARHAWKS would finish the quarter with a 10-2 run and a 29-20 lead at the buzzer. Neither team shot well (WW: 30%, RF: 35%) but the WARHAWKS sank four three point baskets to just one for the Falcons. Reeves (9) and Smith (8) led WARHAWKS scorers and Lisa Palmer led with 5 rebounds. Another basket by Perkins pushed the WARHAWKS lead to double figures a couple of minutes into the third quarter and for the remainder the lead never fell below seven points and reached a high of twelve points twice including 49-37 when the quarter ended. The Falcons cut the lead to single digits 51-44 a couple of minutes into the fourth quarter and got to within a pair of points including 59-57 with fifteen seconds however the WARHAWKS sank three of four free throws after that to preserve the win.
WARHAWKS
Smith: 20 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Reeves: 9 points, 2 assists
Palmer: 9 rebounds
Jensen: 6 points, 5 rebounds, block
Team: 8 steals, 20-10 bench points
Falcons:
Taylor Karge: 21 points, 5 rebounds, 3 blocks
Kate Theisen: 13 points, 5 rebounds, steal
Richell Mehus: 9 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists
Kate Messman: 7 rebounds
Team: 40-30 in the paint, 24-14 second chance
Nice win for the WARHAWKS. RF beat us handily the first time.
WARHAWKS: 62
As was the case on Wednesday the WARHAWKS started this game slow missing three shots and turning the ball over in their first four possessions allowing the Falcons to build 7-0 lead. Jaya Perkins layup got the WARHAWKS on the board with a little more than six minutes remaining in the quarter but the Falcons maintained their lead until Maddie Bare hit a three pointer tying the game 10-10 at four minutes. However the Falcons quickly jumped back on top and led 16-12 when the quarter ended. The Falcons maintained a lead for the first four minutes of the second quarter before Abbie Reeves three point basket gave the WARHAWKS their first lead of the game 19-18. The WARHAWKS would finish the quarter with a 10-2 run and a 29-20 lead at the buzzer. Neither team shot well (WW: 30%, RF: 35%) but the WARHAWKS sank four three point baskets to just one for the Falcons. Reeves (9) and Smith (8) led WARHAWKS scorers and Lisa Palmer led with 5 rebounds. Another basket by Perkins pushed the WARHAWKS lead to double figures a couple of minutes into the third quarter and for the remainder the lead never fell below seven points and reached a high of twelve points twice including 49-37 when the quarter ended. The Falcons cut the lead to single digits 51-44 a couple of minutes into the fourth quarter and got to within a pair of points including 59-57 with fifteen seconds however the WARHAWKS sank three of four free throws after that to preserve the win.
WARHAWKS
Smith: 20 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Reeves: 9 points, 2 assists
Palmer: 9 rebounds
Jensen: 6 points, 5 rebounds, block
Team: 8 steals, 20-10 bench points
Falcons:
Taylor Karge: 21 points, 5 rebounds, 3 blocks
Kate Theisen: 13 points, 5 rebounds, steal
Richell Mehus: 9 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists
Kate Messman: 7 rebounds
Team: 40-30 in the paint, 24-14 second chance
Nice win for the WARHAWKS. RF beat us handily the first time.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.
Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4
You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016
Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4
You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016
Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
| Time | Guest | School |
| 10:15am | Connie Tilley | St. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court |
| 10:40am | Jamie Purdy | Peidmont (WBB) |
| 11:00am | Keri Carollo | UW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
| 11:20am | Brent Pollari | Saint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB) |
| 11:40am | Kent Madsen | No. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB) |
| 12:00pm | Russell Loyd | Rose-Hulman (MBB) |
| 12:20pm | Kevin Broderick | Nazareth (MBB) |
| 12:40pm | Justin Scott | Arcadia (MBB) |
| 1:00pm | Sam Hargraves | No. 12 Alma (MBB) |
| 1:20pm | Lenny Reich | Mount Union (SID) |
| 1:40pm | Maureen Webster | Clarkson (WBB) |
| 2:00pm | Betsy Witman | York (Pa.) (WBB) |
| 2:20pm | Sara Lee | Denison (WBB) |
| 2:40pm | Klay Kneuppel | Wisconsin Lutheran (MBB) |
| 3:00pm | Brian Van Haaften | Buena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
| 3:30pm | Sydney Moss | No. 1 Thomas More (WBB) |
| 3:45pm | Aaron Rousell | Bucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach |
| 4:00pm | Tim Shanahan | Staten Island (WBB) |
| 4:20 | Pat Cunningham | Trinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner |
| 4:50pm | Bubba Smith | Sewanee (MBB) |
| 5:15pm | Ben Strong | Former Guilford All-American |
| 5:30pm | Kevin Connors | ESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus |
| 6:00pm | Kristen Dowling | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB) |
| 6:20pm | Allison Coleman | Sage (WBB) |
| 6:40pm | Landry Kosmalski | Swarthmore (MBB) |
| 7:00pm | Dave Niland | No. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB) |
| 7:20pm | Aaron Galletta | Lasell (MBB) |
| 7:40pm | John Baron | Gwynedd-Mercy (MBB) |
| 8:00pm | ||
| 8:20pm | ||
| 8:40pm | Melissa Hodgdon | Wheaton (Mass.) (WBB) |
| 9:00pm | G.P. Gromacki | No. 2 Amherst (WBB) |
| 9:20pm | James Wagner | |
| 9:40pm | HAPPY HOUR | Free-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun! |
We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 03, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
Post by: JMM on February 03, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
Dave really love the show. Listen all the time (also donate)
another crazy WIAC Night. Here's my call
EC over RF (O'toole continues dominating all WIAC scorers. Future All American)
OSH over Plt (Plt usually gets at least one good upset a year - don't think this is the game)
SP over WW
ST over LAX at Stout
JMM
another crazy WIAC Night. Here's my call
EC over RF (O'toole continues dominating all WIAC scorers. Future All American)
OSH over Plt (Plt usually gets at least one good upset a year - don't think this is the game)
SP over WW
ST over LAX at Stout
JMM
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 04, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
Stevens Point: 72
WARHAWKS: 64
The Pointers opened the scoring with a three pointer off an offensive rebound and led by single digits with a high of seven points before the first quarter ended on Riley Stewart's basket and the Pointers up five, 20-15. The Pointers maintained a single digit lead into the second quarter before Lisa Palmer's basket tied the game 21-21 at the seven minute mark and the WARHAWKS built a small lead which with one exception we maintained for the next five minutes or so. However the Pointers recaptured the lead 31-30 and both teams failed score again in the remaining two and half minutes of the half. The WARHAWKS were led by Stewart, Jaya Perkins and Andrea Meinert all of whom scored 6 points. Meinert also pulled down 5 rebounds and had a pair of assists. Lauren Anklam hit 3 of 4 three pointers scoring 11 points to lead the Pointers. The lead changed hands four times and there were two ties in the third quarter and the Pointers five point lead, 48-43, was the largest when the quarter ended. Palmer's basket to start the final stanza closed the gap to three points but that's as close as the WARHAWKS would get. The Pointer lead reached double digits twice in the quarter and was maintained by good free throw shooting sinking 11 of 12 attempts in the game's final two minutes.
WARHAWKS:
Meinert: 13 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists
Abbie Reeves: 12 points
Palmer: 8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 8 points
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points
TEAM: 38-12 Bench points
Stevens Point:
Anklam: 28 points, 3 rebounds, assist, 3 steals
Lexi Roland: 13 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Allie Miceli: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, block
TEAM: 24-7 off of turnovers, 20-11 second chance
WARHAWKS: 64
The Pointers opened the scoring with a three pointer off an offensive rebound and led by single digits with a high of seven points before the first quarter ended on Riley Stewart's basket and the Pointers up five, 20-15. The Pointers maintained a single digit lead into the second quarter before Lisa Palmer's basket tied the game 21-21 at the seven minute mark and the WARHAWKS built a small lead which with one exception we maintained for the next five minutes or so. However the Pointers recaptured the lead 31-30 and both teams failed score again in the remaining two and half minutes of the half. The WARHAWKS were led by Stewart, Jaya Perkins and Andrea Meinert all of whom scored 6 points. Meinert also pulled down 5 rebounds and had a pair of assists. Lauren Anklam hit 3 of 4 three pointers scoring 11 points to lead the Pointers. The lead changed hands four times and there were two ties in the third quarter and the Pointers five point lead, 48-43, was the largest when the quarter ended. Palmer's basket to start the final stanza closed the gap to three points but that's as close as the WARHAWKS would get. The Pointer lead reached double digits twice in the quarter and was maintained by good free throw shooting sinking 11 of 12 attempts in the game's final two minutes.
WARHAWKS:
Meinert: 13 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists
Abbie Reeves: 12 points
Palmer: 8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 8 points
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points
TEAM: 38-12 Bench points
Stevens Point:
Anklam: 28 points, 3 rebounds, assist, 3 steals
Lexi Roland: 13 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Allie Miceli: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, block
TEAM: 24-7 off of turnovers, 20-11 second chance
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
Upset Time
ST over OSH
EC over PLT
SP over RF
LAX over WW
ST over OSH
EC over PLT
SP over RF
LAX over WW
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2016, 10:58:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 08, 2016, 10:58:26 AM
Upset Time
ST over OSH
You might be the only person in the state who saw that one coming JMM.
WARHAWKS: 73
La Crosse: 55
The Eagles scored first but the WARHAWKS' Malia Smith quickly answered that igniting a 15-4 run over the first seven and half minutes of the opening quarter and essentially ending the game as quickly as it had started. With a nine point lead, 19-10, at the end of the quarter the WARHAWKS lead grew to fifteen, 35-20, before the Eagles scored the last basket and the half ended 35-22. Lisa Palmer led the way with 8 points and 7 rebounds in the half. Abbie Reeves added 7 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists while Smith contributed 6 points and Kate McKay 5. La Crosse got to within thirteen points early in the third quarter but that's as close as they would get.
WARHAWKS:
Reeves: 23 points (9-14 from the floor), 5 rebounds, 3 assists
McKay: 15 points, 1 steal
Palmer: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists
Brooke Trewyn: 5 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Meinert: 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 4 steals
TEAM: 61% from the field (2nd half), 50% game; 11 steals; 31-15 off of turnovers; 49-10 off the bench; 9th straight over the Eagles.
La Crosse:
McKenzie Miller: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal
Elsie DeNoyer: 13 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block
Jenna Anderson: 8 points, 6 rebounds
Alyssa Clemment: 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Multiple WARHAWKS starters appeared to suffer a bout of food poisoning prior to the game and I understand were pretty sick prior to and during the contest.
ST over OSH
You might be the only person in the state who saw that one coming JMM.
WARHAWKS: 73
La Crosse: 55
The Eagles scored first but the WARHAWKS' Malia Smith quickly answered that igniting a 15-4 run over the first seven and half minutes of the opening quarter and essentially ending the game as quickly as it had started. With a nine point lead, 19-10, at the end of the quarter the WARHAWKS lead grew to fifteen, 35-20, before the Eagles scored the last basket and the half ended 35-22. Lisa Palmer led the way with 8 points and 7 rebounds in the half. Abbie Reeves added 7 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists while Smith contributed 6 points and Kate McKay 5. La Crosse got to within thirteen points early in the third quarter but that's as close as they would get.
WARHAWKS:
Reeves: 23 points (9-14 from the floor), 5 rebounds, 3 assists
McKay: 15 points, 1 steal
Palmer: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists
Brooke Trewyn: 5 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Meinert: 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 4 steals
TEAM: 61% from the field (2nd half), 50% game; 11 steals; 31-15 off of turnovers; 49-10 off the bench; 9th straight over the Eagles.
La Crosse:
McKenzie Miller: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal
Elsie DeNoyer: 13 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block
Jenna Anderson: 8 points, 6 rebounds
Alyssa Clemment: 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Multiple WARHAWKS starters appeared to suffer a bout of food poisoning prior to the game and I understand were pretty sick prior to and during the contest.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 08, 2016, 09:05:48 PM
Post by: JMM on February 08, 2016, 09:05:48 PM
For Feb 10
EC over OSH (EC is so overdue to beat one of the top 4 WIAC teans)
RF over LAX (However LAX is overdue for the upset win)
SP over Stout
WW over PLT
EC over OSH (EC is so overdue to beat one of the top 4 WIAC teans)
RF over LAX (However LAX is overdue for the upset win)
SP over Stout
WW over PLT
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 09, 2016, 09:14:53 AM
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 09, 2016, 09:14:53 AM
Championship reunion in Oshkosh:
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/titans-return-for-20th-anniversary
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/titans-return-for-20th-anniversary
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:41:01 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2016, 02:41:01 PM
Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2016, 04:14:05 PM
Post by: JMM on February 10, 2016, 04:14:05 PM
Think they got the central right. Good year for the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
Platteville: 58
WARHAWKS: 85
The Pioneers put the first points on the board but that was the only lead they would have the rest of the evening. Jaya Perkins had an answer for that. The senior wing scored the WARHAWKS first thirteen points on three three pointers and a pair of baskets staking the WARHAWKS to a 13-9 lead in the game's first four minutes. That lead grew to thirteen 24-11 by the end of the first quarter. In the second quarter the Pioneers reduced the lead to nine points on three occasions the last being 34-25 with about four and half minutes remaining and the WARHAWKS extended it to a high of eighteen twice before the Pioneers hit a pair of free throws to end the half down sixteen 45-29. Though the WARHAWKS were outshot 48% to 38% from the floor defensively the team had 14 steals and attempted 48 shots to just 21 for the Pioneers. The WARHAWKS outrebounded the Pioneers 24-17 but 17 of the 24 were on the offensive end. Perkins led the way with 15 points. Andrea Olson chipped in 11 and Brooke Trewyn 7 off the bench. Between them they were 5-9 from beyond the arch. The Pioneers were paced by Elisa Bilderback's 7 points. Bilderback has to have the flattest jump shot in the league. The WARHAWKS lead grew to twenty eight points 66-38 at the conclusion of the third quarter. Nineteen points is as close as the Pioneers would get in the final stanza.
WARHAWKS:
Perkins: 15 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal ... 16 minutes
Olson: 15 points, 2 steals ... 15 minutes
Trewyn: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals ... 17 minutes
Lisa Palmer: 5 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals
Malia Smith: 4 assists, 4 steals
Team: 34-24 in the paint, 38-16 off of turnovers, 52-29 off the bench, points from 13 players
Pioneers:
Bilderback: 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block
Kassie Buchholz: 8 points
Leigh Drury: 8 points
WARHAWKS: 85
The Pioneers put the first points on the board but that was the only lead they would have the rest of the evening. Jaya Perkins had an answer for that. The senior wing scored the WARHAWKS first thirteen points on three three pointers and a pair of baskets staking the WARHAWKS to a 13-9 lead in the game's first four minutes. That lead grew to thirteen 24-11 by the end of the first quarter. In the second quarter the Pioneers reduced the lead to nine points on three occasions the last being 34-25 with about four and half minutes remaining and the WARHAWKS extended it to a high of eighteen twice before the Pioneers hit a pair of free throws to end the half down sixteen 45-29. Though the WARHAWKS were outshot 48% to 38% from the floor defensively the team had 14 steals and attempted 48 shots to just 21 for the Pioneers. The WARHAWKS outrebounded the Pioneers 24-17 but 17 of the 24 were on the offensive end. Perkins led the way with 15 points. Andrea Olson chipped in 11 and Brooke Trewyn 7 off the bench. Between them they were 5-9 from beyond the arch. The Pioneers were paced by Elisa Bilderback's 7 points. Bilderback has to have the flattest jump shot in the league. The WARHAWKS lead grew to twenty eight points 66-38 at the conclusion of the third quarter. Nineteen points is as close as the Pioneers would get in the final stanza.
WARHAWKS:
Perkins: 15 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal ... 16 minutes
Olson: 15 points, 2 steals ... 15 minutes
Trewyn: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals ... 17 minutes
Lisa Palmer: 5 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals
Malia Smith: 4 assists, 4 steals
Team: 34-24 in the paint, 38-16 off of turnovers, 52-29 off the bench, points from 13 players
Pioneers:
Bilderback: 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block
Kassie Buchholz: 8 points
Leigh Drury: 8 points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
Watched the EC OSH game last night. OSH played exceptionally well. EC continues to struggle. No outside game.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2016, 08:14:57 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 11, 2016, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 10, 2016, 04:14:05 PM
Think they got the central right. Good year for the WIAC.
VERY good year for the WIAC women (for the men, not so much). Unless the regional rankings shift dramatically in coming weeks, no other central region team is ever likely to even get to the table in Pool C deliberations.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 11:08:06 AM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 11:08:06 AM
Well the rankings will shift based on the fact vRRO has to be considered, but that might make the WIAC's positions even stronger (since they play themselves). I think over time Wheaton will move up, not that it will matter as they will probably win the CCIW. If they don't, I think they will end up with the strongest chance of getting an at-large bid after the WIACs... I actually think the WIAC will get four-teams in the tournament at this point.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 12:33:03 PM
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 12:33:03 PM
Good to see you check in here Dave. Does looks like 4 Woman WIACs this year. One thing, I think, not mentioned enough about the WIAC is the coaching.Here's what I see Saturday:
SP over EC (EC never got it all together this year - potential was there)
OSH over LAX
RF over PLT
ST over WW (Stiout could have one more upset in them)
SP over EC (EC never got it all together this year - potential was there)
OSH over LAX
RF over PLT
ST over WW (Stiout could have one more upset in them)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 12:56:00 PM
I try to check in here... tough to keep track of all the boards... and the women's tend to gain less traction, so I tend to get here second... but especially this time of year I make a bigger effort.
Something to keep in mind that I talked about on the Hoopsville Marathon... being that Whitewater will be in the at-large considerations (most likely)... the committee chair is Whitewater's coach. She will have to come off the call as long as Whitewater is at the table. Huge ramifications.
Something to keep in mind that I talked about on the Hoopsville Marathon... being that Whitewater will be in the at-large considerations (most likely)... the committee chair is Whitewater's coach. She will have to come off the call as long as Whitewater is at the table. Huge ramifications.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 01:45:36 PM
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 01:45:36 PM
Aware of that . She gave a great interview on the Marathon show. (I'm the one with the back surgery who listened all day - bacck is getting better but will wear a brace for 5 more months). She is a heck of a coach as is Shirley at SP. I believe they both assisted Mark T. at Stout. I think OSH will win the regular season. Also think the tournament is a toss up. I would not bet against Shirley and SP...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2016, 02:02:55 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2016, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 12, 2016, 01:45:36 PMShirley Egner was never Mark Thomas' assistant.
Aware of that . She gave a great interview on the Marathon show. (I'm the one with the back surgery who listened all day - bacck is getting better but will wear a brace for 5 more months). She is a heck of a coach as is Shirley at SP. I believe they both assisted Mark T. at Stout. I think OSH will win the regular season. Also think the tournament is a toss up. I would not bet against Shirley and SP...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 02:21:22 PM
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 02:21:22 PM
Thanks for info on Coach E...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 12, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Shirley was a high school coach and then a graduate assistant at Nicholls State (La) before taking over the Pointers program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 08:56:09 PM
Post by: JMM on February 12, 2016, 08:56:09 PM
Thanks. for info on Shirley
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
WARHAWKS: 66
Stout: 55
Riley Stewart's three pointer opened the scoring giving the WARHAWKS a lead that they would hold for the entire game. However the lead remained in single digits for the first three quarters with scores of 13-10 (1st qtr), 28-25 (half) and 47-41 after three quarters. A 9-0 run by the WARHAWKS in the first couple of minutes of the fourth quarter created the largest lead of the game 55-41 and after that the Blue Devils could get no closer than nine.
WARHAWKS:
Lisa Palmer: 15 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Meinert: 12 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
Malia Smith: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
TEAM: 47-34 rebounding advantage, 32-18 points in the paint, 20-6 second chance points, 18-20 free throws
Stout:
Sarah Schoch: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist
Jenna Goldsmith: 8 points, 6 rebounds
Kyncaide Diedrich: 8 points, 2 assists, 1 steal
TEAM: 34-26 bench points, 16-20 free throws
Stout: 55
Riley Stewart's three pointer opened the scoring giving the WARHAWKS a lead that they would hold for the entire game. However the lead remained in single digits for the first three quarters with scores of 13-10 (1st qtr), 28-25 (half) and 47-41 after three quarters. A 9-0 run by the WARHAWKS in the first couple of minutes of the fourth quarter created the largest lead of the game 55-41 and after that the Blue Devils could get no closer than nine.
WARHAWKS:
Lisa Palmer: 15 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Meinert: 12 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
Malia Smith: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
TEAM: 47-34 rebounding advantage, 32-18 points in the paint, 20-6 second chance points, 18-20 free throws
Stout:
Sarah Schoch: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist
Jenna Goldsmith: 8 points, 6 rebounds
Kyncaide Diedrich: 8 points, 2 assists, 1 steal
TEAM: 34-26 bench points, 16-20 free throws
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2016, 04:44:19 PM
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2016, 04:44:19 PM
Big week in the WIAC starts on Wednesday Night. At least 2 teams may find themselves out of the NCAA tournament with a loss or two.
RF over Stout
OSH over WW (WW really needs the win)
SP over PLT
EC over LAX (LAX mmay win this one)
SATURDAY
EC over WW (change based upon 2/17)
SP over LAX (SP wont lose at home w tournament on the line)
Stout over PLT (home game for Stout)
RF over OSH (hard to beat RF at their place)
WW and RF could make life tough for OSH
WW also has a pretty tough road to stay NCAA viable
RF over Stout
OSH over WW (WW really needs the win)
SP over PLT
EC over LAX (LAX mmay win this one)
SATURDAY
EC over WW (change based upon 2/17)
SP over LAX (SP wont lose at home w tournament on the line)
Stout over PLT (home game for Stout)
RF over OSH (hard to beat RF at their place)
WW and RF could make life tough for OSH
WW also has a pretty tough road to stay NCAA viable
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
Stevens Point wouldn't lose to La Crosse if the played them on a blacktopped, playground court. ;)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2016, 06:01:47 PM
Post by: JMM on February 16, 2016, 06:01:47 PM
Really hope WW gets to tournament. Don't see them losing to EC at home. Don't kmow about OSH.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 17, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 17, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
I just see something crazy happening tonight at Kolf. Buzzerbeater being waved off, too many timeouts called, whistle swallowed at end of game. Something.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 17, 2016, 01:45:53 PM
Post by: JMM on February 17, 2016, 01:45:53 PM
Don't set a bad karma. I see RF and OSH playing for the conference 1st place....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 17, 2016, 03:20:09 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 17, 2016, 03:20:09 PM
Well, if it gets to the end and nothing weird has happened, I can always start singing "It's Raining Men" into the microphone during play. That always gets 'em.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 17, 2016, 04:23:31 PM
Post by: JMM on February 17, 2016, 04:23:31 PM
WIAC still looks good after 2nd Regional Rankings.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 18, 2016, 11:37:07 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 18, 2016, 11:37:07 AM
Nothing crazy until about 32 seconds left. A fan voiced his "opinion" on an official when it was very quiet in Kolf. Can't say I had seen that before. But, thankfully, 2 seconds before my "It's Raining Men" karaoke promise.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 18, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
WARHAWKS: 57
Oshkosh: 60
The WARHAWKS got off to a slow start failing to score in the game's first four minutes and falling behind 9-0. Malia Smith's jumper took the lid off the basket and a 11-2 WARHAWKS run over the last four minutes of the quarter tied the game 11-11. The two teams went back and forth trading the lead in the first four minutes of the second quarter and leaving the score tied 21-21 when the Titans used an 11-2 run to close out the quarter and lead 32-23 at the half. The Titan lead grew to a high of 13, 38-25, in the first three minutes of the third quarter but the WARHAWKS fought back and when Lisa Palmer sank a three pointer with less than a minute remaining in the quarter trailed by just a single point 46-45 at the horn. A pair of free throws by Riley Stewart early in the final quarter gave the WARHAWKS their first lead of the game 49-48 but the Titans sank a pair of their own a couple minutes later to go back on top 50-49 and built the lead to four 57-53 with forty seconds to play and again 59-55 twenty seconds later. After that Stewart's two free throws cut the lead in half but the Titans sank one of two free throws and the WARHAWKS missed a pair and a last second three point shot in the loss. The game featured a combined total of 12 ties and lead changes.
WARHAWKS:
Palmer: 21 points, 9 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 9 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Stewart: 7 points, 2 assists
Smith: 7 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists
TEAM: 13-16 free throws
Titans:
Alex Richard: 13 points, 6 rebounds
Morgan Kokta: 11 points
Taylor Schmidt: 10 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists
Marissa Selner: 9 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists
TEAM: 34-20 in the paint, 9-10 free throws
Oshkosh: 60
The WARHAWKS got off to a slow start failing to score in the game's first four minutes and falling behind 9-0. Malia Smith's jumper took the lid off the basket and a 11-2 WARHAWKS run over the last four minutes of the quarter tied the game 11-11. The two teams went back and forth trading the lead in the first four minutes of the second quarter and leaving the score tied 21-21 when the Titans used an 11-2 run to close out the quarter and lead 32-23 at the half. The Titan lead grew to a high of 13, 38-25, in the first three minutes of the third quarter but the WARHAWKS fought back and when Lisa Palmer sank a three pointer with less than a minute remaining in the quarter trailed by just a single point 46-45 at the horn. A pair of free throws by Riley Stewart early in the final quarter gave the WARHAWKS their first lead of the game 49-48 but the Titans sank a pair of their own a couple minutes later to go back on top 50-49 and built the lead to four 57-53 with forty seconds to play and again 59-55 twenty seconds later. After that Stewart's two free throws cut the lead in half but the Titans sank one of two free throws and the WARHAWKS missed a pair and a last second three point shot in the loss. The game featured a combined total of 12 ties and lead changes.
WARHAWKS:
Palmer: 21 points, 9 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 9 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Stewart: 7 points, 2 assists
Smith: 7 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists
TEAM: 13-16 free throws
Titans:
Alex Richard: 13 points, 6 rebounds
Morgan Kokta: 11 points
Taylor Schmidt: 10 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists
Marissa Selner: 9 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists
TEAM: 34-20 in the paint, 9-10 free throws
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2016, 05:51:43 PM
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2016, 05:51:43 PM
Big Congrats to RF the season champ, with out a doubt. Big win for EC. . Bad day for WW probably no longer a bubble team. Losing 6 of their last 13.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2016, 07:17:33 AM
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2016, 07:17:33 AM
WW over EC (EC should win but i think the EC choke factor will kick in)
SP over Stout
SP over Stout
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2016, 09:49:31 PM
Post by: JMM on February 23, 2016, 09:49:31 PM
Nice win for EC. Finally getting some consistent play.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2016, 09:47:25 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2016, 09:47:25 AM
Congrats and good luck.
In the three games against us the BluGolds shot 93 free throws and made 71. The WARHAWKS went 40 for 54. It was particularly pronounced in the last two when the BluGolds went 52-64 and we were 24-29. In the final two games the BluGolds reached the double bonus in six of the eight quarters including four in which there was still at least six or more minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS reached it twice. Once in the first quarter and again in the eighth quarter. This isn't intended as criticism or a commentary on the officiating. It's simply stating facts because you can not win under those circumstances.
In the three games against us the BluGolds shot 93 free throws and made 71. The WARHAWKS went 40 for 54. It was particularly pronounced in the last two when the BluGolds went 52-64 and we were 24-29. In the final two games the BluGolds reached the double bonus in six of the eight quarters including four in which there was still at least six or more minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS reached it twice. Once in the first quarter and again in the eighth quarter. This isn't intended as criticism or a commentary on the officiating. It's simply stating facts because you can not win under those circumstances.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2016, 10:36:31 AM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2016, 10:36:31 AM
I do hope WW makes the tournament. I remember many EC and WW games over the past 10 years where the refs "allowed the players to play" and winning against the relentless Warhawk defense was impossible. I think a change took place after the tournament championship game at SP February 25, 2012 (a game I was at) were WW had 2 technical fouls. Seems to me at least, the refs view of the WW super pressure defense changed. In current day, maybe the WIAC refs are too quick to call fouls on WW. I have not reviewed stats to verify this. There certainly is a difference though. Be curious to know what percentage of current WIAC refs are still around since back then. Just my thoughts.I believe that game was televised by fox or ESPN - lots of commentary from the broadcasters. My thoughts...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
I don't like our chances at all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
WW program has national recognition and has an excellent reputation. It may get close but WW schedule was tough. They also beat Luther in the over, overtime game and are coming from the toughest woman's conference this year. Think they will be there unless EC keeps focused and beats RF and the winner of SP and OSH. Can EC keep focused - maybe. I do think RF is exceptional also think SP will knock OSH out. So hang loose till Monday PM. NCAA tournament needs WW in it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2016, 04:35:15 PM
Post by: JMM on February 24, 2016, 04:35:15 PM
WIAC Women still look good on 3rd regional ranking
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 25, 2016, 10:16:42 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 25, 2016, 10:16:42 PM
Wow. That was not a pretty game. UWO got out to a big lead, but it should have been bigger if it weren't for a lot of missed bunnies. No scoring for UWO in first 6 minutes of 2nd half, but SP only had 2 during that time. Might have set a record for airballs in a WIAC semi-final game (along with one air ball that shouldn't have been, and a shot clock violation was called on a shot that pretty clearly hit the rim).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2016, 10:46:53 PM
Post by: JMM on February 25, 2016, 10:46:53 PM
EC gave RF everything they had and lost by a few. The underneath defense of RF was outstanding. All do respect to OSH (who will deservingly get to the NCAA) Don't see how they are going to win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 25, 2016, 10:53:27 PM
Post by: cubs on February 25, 2016, 10:53:27 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 25, 2016, 10:16:42 PMGood help is hard to find!!!
Wow. That was not a pretty game. UWO got out to a big lead, but it should have been bigger if it weren't for a lot of missed bunnies. No scoring for UWO in first 6 minutes of 2nd half, but SP only had 2 during that time. Might have set a record for airballs in a WIAC semi-final game (along with one air ball that shouldn't have been, and a shot clock violation was called on a shot that pretty clearly hit the rim).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2016, 02:45:16 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2016, 02:45:16 PM
Quote from: cubs on February 25, 2016, 10:53:27 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on February 25, 2016, 10:16:42 PMGood help is hard to find!!!
Wow. That was not a pretty game. UWO got out to a big lead, but it should have been bigger if it weren't for a lot of missed bunnies. No scoring for UWO in first 6 minutes of 2nd half, but SP only had 2 during that time. Might have set a record for airballs in a WIAC semi-final game (along with one air ball that shouldn't have been, and a shot clock violation was called on a shot that pretty clearly hit the rim).
It was just an oddball play where no one was sure how to react. Just changed a rebound to a turnover on the stat sheet. Speaking of, that is the first time I've ever seen a team's rebounding leader be the TEAM rebounds. Yikes.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2016, 03:18:42 PM
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2016, 03:18:42 PM
OSH will make the NCAA tournament. I just don't see them beating RF. RF is one super tough team. Also very confident. Lots of strong, scrappy athletes. The students were out in force against EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2016, 05:30:42 PM
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2016, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 26, 2016, 03:18:42 PMUWO has gone into River Falls today and after a close first half, dominates the third quarter with a 17-3 run to take a 48-37 lead heading to the fourth quarter....
OSH will make the NCAA tournament. I just don't see them beating RF. RF is one super tough team. Also very confident. Lots of strong, scrappy athletes. The students were out in force against EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2016, 05:50:58 PM
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2016, 05:50:58 PM
Quote from: cubs on February 27, 2016, 05:30:42 PMUWO earns the automatic Pool A bid with a 65-64 win at River Falls... It is their third straight WIAC Tournament Championship.Quote from: JMM on February 26, 2016, 03:18:42 PMUWO has gone into River Falls today and after a close first half, dominates the third quarter with a 17-3 run to take a 48-37 lead heading to the fourth quarter....
OSH will make the NCAA tournament. I just don't see them beating RF. RF is one super tough team. Also very confident. Lots of strong, scrappy athletes. The students were out in force against EC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
Post by: JMM on February 27, 2016, 07:38:21 PM
Ahhh Yes. Wrong again. great win for OSH. WIAC Champs.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2016, 10:11:11 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2016, 10:11:11 AM
I think River Falls and Stevens Point are at-large locks. Whitewater is borderline, but should benefit from a strong SOS against the rest of the WIAC.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:46:07 PM
Post by: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:46:07 PM
Whitewater is in!!!!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
Post by: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
Stevens Point not only in, but hosting!!!! (Albeit hosting a group that includes undefeated and 2015 National Runner-Up George Fox.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:52:31 PM
Post by: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:52:31 PM
River Falls and UWO also hosting "pods!!!!"
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 29, 2016, 02:55:03 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 29, 2016, 02:55:03 PM
4 in, 3 hosting. Interesting. I was really wondering if WW would get in. Little bit of an eye roll when UWO's opponent was announced.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 29, 2016, 03:08:26 PM
Post by: JMM on February 29, 2016, 03:08:26 PM
WW got in because they beat Luther and only had seven losses. There strength of schedule also held up. Dave an Pat on Hoopsville last night had a pretty good discussion including WW making the tournament. it was a good year for the WIAC. Wish EC would not play the D2 schools - it hurts them - set up to put them in a losing way at the start of the season. Also EC should lighten up the schedule. Having the 10th hardest schedule in the county does nothing for making the NCAA tournament. They should drop their SOS from over 600 to about 540. My 2 cents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2016, 03:57:15 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 29, 2016, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:51:18 PMGeorge Fox is the top seed there. NCAA geography and finances denies GFU a chance to host at UWSP's gain.
Stevens Point not only in, but hosting!!!! (Albeit hosting a group that includes undefeated and 2015 National Runner-Up George Fox.)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2016, 04:05:40 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 29, 2016, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: cubs on February 29, 2016, 02:46:07 PM
Whitewater is in!!!!
I didn't expect that but I'll take it. Interestingly we are on the opposite side of the bracket from the other 3 WIAC schools in the tournament.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 29, 2016, 05:32:30 PM
Post by: JMM on February 29, 2016, 05:32:30 PM
I like were WW landed.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ScreamingEagles on February 29, 2016, 09:39:02 PM
Post by: ScreamingEagles on February 29, 2016, 09:39:02 PM
Heeren Steps Down as UW-La Crosse Head Women's Basketball Coach
http://uwlathletics.com/news/2016/2/26/WBB0226016.aspx
http://uwlathletics.com/news/2016/2/26/WBB0226016.aspx
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on February 29, 2016, 11:27:05 PM
Post by: bulk19 on February 29, 2016, 11:27:05 PM
Wow... interesting news...
Never met Coach Heeren, but I always thought she was a classy coach...
Never met Coach Heeren, but I always thought she was a classy coach...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2016, 08:13:59 AM
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2016, 08:13:59 AM
Very classy and always willing to spend a few minutes with you.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: ScreamingEagles on March 01, 2016, 08:34:31 AM
Post by: ScreamingEagles on March 01, 2016, 08:34:31 AM
I, admittedly, do not follow our women's team that closely - but
209 wins in over 17 years as coach, including 1-13 in conference this year, wasn't going to get it done. Good luck to Coach Heeren in the future and thank you for your service to UWL.
209 wins in over 17 years as coach, including 1-13 in conference this year, wasn't going to get it done. Good luck to Coach Heeren in the future and thank you for your service to UWL.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 01, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
She was very friendly with the table and seemed like a nice person. I'll give her credit because she once recognized and said hello to me at a La Crosse/WARHAWKS football game I was attending in La Crosse. I wish her well.
Perhaps the unfortunate thing is that this didn't happen a few years ago when Brad Fischer was her assistant and would have been a logical candidate to replace her. He's completely turned around a Titan program that was similarly struggling.
Perhaps the unfortunate thing is that this didn't happen a few years ago when Brad Fischer was her assistant and would have been a logical candidate to replace her. He's completely turned around a Titan program that was similarly struggling.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2016, 02:09:50 PM
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2016, 02:09:50 PM
Good Luck to the Warhawks this weeknd. I see the winning at least one and maybe 2.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on March 01, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
Post by: bulk19 on March 01, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
From the WIACwebsite:
2016 All-WIAC Women's Basketball Team
Lauren Anklam, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, Ringle, Wis. (D.C. Everest)
Eliza Campbell, Oshkosh, Sophomore, Forward, Green Bay, Wis. (Notre Dame Academy)
Kyleigh Hebert, Stout, Senior, Guard, Spencer, Wis.
Taylor Karge, River Falls, Sophomore, Forward, Mankato, Minn. (East)
Teenie Lichtfuss, Eau Claire, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (Lourdes)
Brynn Liljander, River Falls, Junior, Guard, Isanti, Minn. (Cambridge-Isanti)
Allie Miceli, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, Marseilles, Ill. (Ottawa Township)
Erin O'Toole, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Center, Plymouth, Minn. (Hopkins)
Lisa Palmer, Whitewater, Senior, Forward, Barlett, Ill.
Taylor Schmidt, Oshkosh, Junior, Guard, Algoma, Wis.
Honorable Mention
Elisa Bilderback, Platteville, Junior, Center, Platteville, Wis.
Elise DeNoyer, La Crosse, Sophomore, Guard, Waukesha, Wis. (Wisconsin Lutheran)
Jenna Goldsmith, Stout, Junior, Forward, St. Anthony, Minn. (Village)
Madison Johnson, Eau Claire, Senior, Forward, Osceola, Wis.
Richell Mehus, River Falls, Senior, Guard, Spring Grove, Minn.
MaKenzie Miller, La Crosse, Junior, Center, Chatfield, Minn.
Ashley Neustifter, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (West)
Abbie Reeves, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, Salem, Wis. (Westosha Central)
Alex Richard, Oshkosh, Junior, Forward, Kewaunee, Wis.
Malia Smith, Whitewater, Sophomore, Guard, Bolingbrook, Ill. (Neuqua Valley)
Kate Theisen, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Minnetrista, Minn. (Watertown-Mayer)
All-Defensive Team
Richell Mehus, River Falls, Senior, Guard, Spring Grove, Minn.
Allie Miceli, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, Marseilles, Ill. (Ottawa Township)
Ashley Neustifter, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (West)
Erin O'Toole, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Center, Plymouth, Minn. (Hopkins)
Malia Smith, Whitewater, Sophomore, Guard, Bolingbrook, Ill. (Neuqua Valley)
All-Sportsmanship Team
Maggie Bishop, La Crosse, Senior, Guard/Forward, Westby, Wis.
Taylor Douglas, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, Brodhead, Wis.
Morgan Hartman, Platteville, Junior, Guard, Rochester, Minn. (Century)
Emily Jensen, Whitewater, Senior, Center, Wauwatosa, Wis. (East)
Madison Johnson, Eau Claire, Senior, Forward, Osceola, Wis.
Stephanie Kastens, Stout, Senior, Forward, Wausau, Wis. (D.C. Everest)
Richell Mehus, River Falls, Senior, Guard, Spring Grove, Minn.
Kendell Truttman, Oshkosh, Sophomore, Guard, Denmark, Wis.
Player of the Year: Erin O'Toole of Eau Claire
Coach of the Year: Cindy Holbrook of River Falls
Judy Kruckman Scholar-Athlete (sponsored by Badgerland Financial): Teenie Lichtfuss of Eau Claire
Congrats to those listed, and good luck to the WIAC teams as they head into post-season play...
2016 All-WIAC Women's Basketball Team
Lauren Anklam, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, Ringle, Wis. (D.C. Everest)
Eliza Campbell, Oshkosh, Sophomore, Forward, Green Bay, Wis. (Notre Dame Academy)
Kyleigh Hebert, Stout, Senior, Guard, Spencer, Wis.
Taylor Karge, River Falls, Sophomore, Forward, Mankato, Minn. (East)
Teenie Lichtfuss, Eau Claire, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (Lourdes)
Brynn Liljander, River Falls, Junior, Guard, Isanti, Minn. (Cambridge-Isanti)
Allie Miceli, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, Marseilles, Ill. (Ottawa Township)
Erin O'Toole, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Center, Plymouth, Minn. (Hopkins)
Lisa Palmer, Whitewater, Senior, Forward, Barlett, Ill.
Taylor Schmidt, Oshkosh, Junior, Guard, Algoma, Wis.
Honorable Mention
Elisa Bilderback, Platteville, Junior, Center, Platteville, Wis.
Elise DeNoyer, La Crosse, Sophomore, Guard, Waukesha, Wis. (Wisconsin Lutheran)
Jenna Goldsmith, Stout, Junior, Forward, St. Anthony, Minn. (Village)
Madison Johnson, Eau Claire, Senior, Forward, Osceola, Wis.
Richell Mehus, River Falls, Senior, Guard, Spring Grove, Minn.
MaKenzie Miller, La Crosse, Junior, Center, Chatfield, Minn.
Ashley Neustifter, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (West)
Abbie Reeves, Whitewater, Senior, Guard, Salem, Wis. (Westosha Central)
Alex Richard, Oshkosh, Junior, Forward, Kewaunee, Wis.
Malia Smith, Whitewater, Sophomore, Guard, Bolingbrook, Ill. (Neuqua Valley)
Kate Theisen, River Falls, Junior, Forward, Minnetrista, Minn. (Watertown-Mayer)
All-Defensive Team
Richell Mehus, River Falls, Senior, Guard, Spring Grove, Minn.
Allie Miceli, Stevens Point, Senior, Forward, Marseilles, Ill. (Ottawa Township)
Ashley Neustifter, Oshkosh, Senior, Guard, Oshkosh, Wis. (West)
Erin O'Toole, Eau Claire, Sophomore, Center, Plymouth, Minn. (Hopkins)
Malia Smith, Whitewater, Sophomore, Guard, Bolingbrook, Ill. (Neuqua Valley)
All-Sportsmanship Team
Maggie Bishop, La Crosse, Senior, Guard/Forward, Westby, Wis.
Taylor Douglas, Stevens Point, Junior, Guard, Brodhead, Wis.
Morgan Hartman, Platteville, Junior, Guard, Rochester, Minn. (Century)
Emily Jensen, Whitewater, Senior, Center, Wauwatosa, Wis. (East)
Madison Johnson, Eau Claire, Senior, Forward, Osceola, Wis.
Stephanie Kastens, Stout, Senior, Forward, Wausau, Wis. (D.C. Everest)
Richell Mehus, River Falls, Senior, Guard, Spring Grove, Minn.
Kendell Truttman, Oshkosh, Sophomore, Guard, Denmark, Wis.
Player of the Year: Erin O'Toole of Eau Claire
Coach of the Year: Cindy Holbrook of River Falls
Judy Kruckman Scholar-Athlete (sponsored by Badgerland Financial): Teenie Lichtfuss of Eau Claire
Congrats to those listed, and good luck to the WIAC teams as they head into post-season play...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Post by: JMM on March 01, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Thanks for info on the Woman's WiAC. Congrats to all. Erin O'toole had a fantastic year as a transfer. We will see what the future holds for EC. As a team they must end a 3-4 year streak of to many turnovers. Hoping the best for the WIAC NCAA tournament teams. Hope to get to RF to watch games an Friday night.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: RogK on March 04, 2016, 10:21:23 PM
Post by: RogK on March 04, 2016, 10:21:23 PM
Congrats to UW-RF : you beat a very good Wheaton team. Also, a "well done" to your p.a. announcer for saying something nice about both teams at the ends of today's games. Good sportsmanship.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2016, 10:32:26 PM
Post by: JMM on March 04, 2016, 10:32:26 PM
Good games at RF. Loras let St Thomas off the hook. RF exploded for basket after basket after basket and running like lightning. Sounds like 4 WIACs and wins.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2016, 08:29:48 AM
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2016, 08:29:48 AM
The Four WIACs will be tested for sure tonight playing D3Hoops numbers 2, 8 and 10 teams. Most worried about OSH who is playing a revived Wartburg Team. Seems to me , OSH needs to control the tempo. Slow it down a little and limit turnovers. I was not that impressed by St. Thomas last night. With RF experience against EC's O'Toole, RF should have no problems with St Thomas's Langer at Center. O'Toole is a much stronger presence. If RF holds St. Thomas's Stone in check, there is a little bit of gap in remaining St Thomas players. RF was dynamite last night. If that frame of mind continues, RF should advance to the Sweet 16. SP has a shot at George Fox thanks to SP tough schedule, and home court. One might wonder how tested George Fox really has been. "On the Road Fatigue may also hit the Bruins tonight. IF SP can play super tough, they got a fair shot. WW will have their hands full w Washington U. Two really good coaches. Most worried about OSH who needs to play 100%. I think they will. I see 2 WIAC teams advancing. Maybe 3 if SP pulls the upset - it may be there to take.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
WARHAWKS advance to round 2 with a 66-54 win over #21 Bluffton. Leading by a single point late in the third period the WARHAWKS finished with a 7-2 run to go up six 49-43 when the quarter ended. Bluffton never got closer the WARHAWKS lead was in double digits for the final three and half minutes. The WARHAWKS went 7-15 from beyond the arc and out rebounded Bluffton 46-36. Defensively the WARHAWKS recorded 10 steals. Brooke Trewyn finished with game highs of 23 points, 9 rebounds. Lisa Palmer also had 9 rebounds and added game highs of 4 assists and 3 steals. Wash U will be the opponent tonight.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
RF in trouble in the rd. St Thomas Defense is crushing their ability to shoot.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on March 05, 2016, 08:21:35 PM
Post by: cubs on March 05, 2016, 08:21:35 PM
St. Thomas 67
River Falls 46
FINAL
Point out to an early 10-1 lead over undefeated George Fox....
UWO leads Wartburg 12-10 at the end of the first quarter...
WashU leads WW 19-11 at the end of the first quarter.....
River Falls 46
FINAL
Point out to an early 10-1 lead over undefeated George Fox....
UWO leads Wartburg 12-10 at the end of the first quarter...
WashU leads WW 19-11 at the end of the first quarter.....
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on March 05, 2016, 08:59:12 PM
Post by: cubs on March 05, 2016, 08:59:12 PM
Stevens Point 29
George Fox 27
Halftime
Wartburg 30
UWO 25
Halftime
WashU 31
WW 26
Halftime
George Fox 27
Halftime
Wartburg 30
UWO 25
Halftime
WashU 31
WW 26
Halftime
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
Post by: JMM on March 05, 2016, 09:34:25 PM
Looks like a tough night for the WIACs. Tough, tough, tough, that said, it was a great regular season for us WIAC fans. Thanks to all the players and coaches for a grand year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on March 05, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Post by: cubs on March 05, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: cubs on March 05, 2016, 08:59:12 PMGeorge Fox 62
Stevens Point 29
George Fox 27
Halftime
Wartburg 30
UWO 25
Halftime
WashU 31
WW 26
Halftime
Point 59
FINAL
Wartburg 66
UWO 56
FINAL
WashU 62
WW 45
FINAL
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 06, 2016, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 06, 2016, 11:16:12 AM
The WARHAWKS season ended Saturday with a 62-45 loss to Wash U and a season record of 20-8. It was the 8th time in the past 9 years the team has won at least 20 games. We hung within five points after three quarters but Wash U opened the the final quarter with a 13-1 run that turned into a 20-5 run at the two minute mark. We went 0-7 from the floor and committed 5 turnovers during that stretch. Abbie Reeves hit four three pointers to surpass the 1000 career points mark (1003) and with 204 three pointers became the program's all time leader. Reeves finished with 12 points. Lisa Palmer added 10 points and pulled down 7 rebounds. Andrea Meinert added 10 rebounds and Brooke Trewyn 4 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 06, 2016, 11:52:09 AM
Post by: JMM on March 06, 2016, 11:52:09 AM
Warhawks have been outstanding for many a year. I don't think many thought they would get to the NCAA. Willing to bet they are there next year.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on March 23, 2016, 07:08:00 PM
Post by: JMM on March 23, 2016, 07:08:00 PM
Congrats to EC Erin Otoole. First Team Central Region and All American Honorable Mention from D3Hoops.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on June 02, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
Post by: bulk19 on June 02, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
From the UWL website - search narrowed to five finalists for head coach position, with on-campus interviews and open forums taking place through next week...
The five are: Karen Middleton, former associate head women's basketball coach at Cal State Fullerton University; Donald Mulhern, head women's basketball coach at the University of Wisconsin-Superior; Abby Oakland, assistant women's basketball coach at Southwest Minnesota State University; Doug Porter, assistant women's basketball coach at North Central College (Ill.) and Riley Woldt, assistant women's basketball coach at St. Norbert College (Wis.).
http://www.uwlathletics.com/news/2016/6/1/search-narrowed-to-five-for-head-womens-basketball-coach.aspx?path=wbball
The five are: Karen Middleton, former associate head women's basketball coach at Cal State Fullerton University; Donald Mulhern, head women's basketball coach at the University of Wisconsin-Superior; Abby Oakland, assistant women's basketball coach at Southwest Minnesota State University; Doug Porter, assistant women's basketball coach at North Central College (Ill.) and Riley Woldt, assistant women's basketball coach at St. Norbert College (Wis.).
http://www.uwlathletics.com/news/2016/6/1/search-narrowed-to-five-for-head-womens-basketball-coach.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: lmitzel on June 06, 2016, 09:36:03 AM
Post by: lmitzel on June 06, 2016, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: bulk19 on June 02, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
From the UWL website - search narrowed to five finalists for head coach position, with on-campus interviews and open forums taking place through next week...
The five are: Karen Middleton, former associate head women's basketball coach at Cal State Fullerton University; Donald Mulhern, head women's basketball coach at the University of Wisconsin-Superior; Abby Oakland, assistant women's basketball coach at Southwest Minnesota State University; Doug Porter, assistant women's basketball coach at North Central College (Ill.) and Riley Woldt, assistant women's basketball coach at St. Norbert College (Wis.).
http://www.uwlathletics.com/news/2016/6/1/search-narrowed-to-five-for-head-womens-basketball-coach.aspx?path=wbball
As a bit of an addendum on Porter, he's the mastermind behind North Central's use of The System since they went to it in '12-'13. He's a brilliant basketball mind, but also a great guy. It'd be a bummer to see him leave NCC, but La-Crosse would be getting a great coach.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on June 21, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
Post by: bulk19 on June 21, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
UWL names Karen Middleton, associate head coach at Cal State Fullerton, as new coach for the women's basketball team...
http://www.uwlathletics.com/news/2016/6/21/middleton-named-womens-basketball-head-coach.aspx?path=wbball
http://www.uwlathletics.com/news/2016/6/21/middleton-named-womens-basketball-head-coach.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on June 22, 2016, 02:41:18 PM
Post by: gordonmann on June 22, 2016, 02:41:18 PM
Interesting hire -- a lot of D1 experience, and nothing at any level inside Wisconsin.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
Post by: gordonmann on September 10, 2016, 09:21:46 PM
We have all the WIAC women's schedules posted on our site. If you click on a team's page, it'll still default to 2015-16 for a little while. We want to get more teams' schedules in the system before we set the default to 2016-17. But you can look at all the schedules by following this format:
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-Eau_Claire/women/2016-17/index
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/UW-Eau_Claire/women/2016-17/index
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 15, 2016, 09:32:53 PM
Post by: JMM on October 15, 2016, 09:32:53 PM
So who will win the Woman's Wiac for 2016=2017. My guess"
1. RF
2. EC
3. OSH
4. SP
5. WW
6. ST
7. PLT
8. LAX
1. RF
2. EC
3. OSH
4. SP
5. WW
6. ST
7. PLT
8. LAX
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: AppletonRocks on October 19, 2016, 06:40:38 PM
Post by: AppletonRocks on October 19, 2016, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: JMM on October 15, 2016, 09:32:53 PM
So who will win the Woman's Wiac for 2016=2017. My guess"
1. RF
2. EC
3. OSH
4. SP
5. WW
6. ST
7. PLT
8. LAX
I think Brad Fischer and the Titans are a threat to win it all.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 19, 2016, 08:11:40 PM
Post by: JMM on October 19, 2016, 08:11:40 PM
Maybe OSH will win all. They did get their act back together at the end of the season. EC's all-american should be more seasoned this year in her second year.. There is also a pretty good supporting cast. I think RF is still the team to beat. Another grand year of WHY-ACK woman's basketball coming up shortly.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2016, 12:10:43 AM
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2016, 12:10:43 AM
Preaseason poll released with three teams in the Top 25 and a fourth receiving votes.
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2016-17/preseason
http://d3hoops.com/top25/women/2016-17/preseason
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 30, 2016, 08:55:25 AM
Post by: JMM on October 30, 2016, 08:55:25 AM
If I read the WIAC article correctly, it looks like Erin O'toole is not returning to Eau Claire. Anyone of information on this?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2016, 01:23:30 PM
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2016, 01:23:30 PM
Hm. She was on our list for potential Preseason All-Americans. I'll ask the school to confirm she's not back. :-\
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 31, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Post by: JMM on October 31, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 31, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
Post by: JMM on October 31, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
see the end of he attached post from UW OSH http://www.uwoshkoshtitans.com/sports/wbkb/2016-17/releases/20161027gq3je2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on October 31, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
Post by: bulk19 on October 31, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
UWEC Coach Englund announced on Media Day last week that Erin O'Toole decided to not play basketball this season and will focus on school...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2016, 03:55:29 PM
Post by: gordonmann on October 31, 2016, 03:55:29 PM
Oh, thanks.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on October 31, 2016, 08:06:33 PM
Post by: JMM on October 31, 2016, 08:06:33 PM
sounds like another tough year for coach Englund and the Blugolds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2016, 10:56:35 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 15, 2016, 10:56:35 AM
WARHAWKS preview.....
http://www.dailyunion.com/sports/article_928cd166-ab3d-11e6-a246-ab8323e0e280.html
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2016/11/11/2016-17-womens-basketball-season-preview.aspx?path=wbball
http://www.dailyunion.com/sports/article_928cd166-ab3d-11e6-a246-ab8323e0e280.html
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2016/11/11/2016-17-womens-basketball-season-preview.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
WARHAWKS (1-0): 70 Lakeland (0-1): 56
The Muskies kept it close early leading 10-9 after seven minutes of play. However Malia Smith's layup put the WARHAWKS up 11-10 and a 10-2 run to finish the quarter pushed the lead to seven 19-12. Lakeland was able to get within three points early in the second quarter. However the WARHAWKS eventually pushed the lead back to an 8-10 point spread and though they shot poorly (27%) led at halftime 33-20. Defensively the WARHAWKS forced 17 Muskie turnovers in the half leading to a 19-2 scoring advantage. Brooke Trewyn's 12 points led all scorers. The WARHAWKS opened the third quarter with a 14-7 run going up by twenty 47-27 however the Muskie's responded to finish the quarter with a 10-2 run of their own and pulled within 12 points 49-37. The WARHAWKS would build the lead back to a game high 21 points in the fourth quarter though the Muskies were able to reduce it against the end of the bench over the game's final four minutes.
Trewyn finished with 24 points, three rebounds, a pair of assists and one block and steal. Smith added 10 points and newcomer Becky Raeder chipped in with 8. The Muskies finished with 28 turnovers, the WARHAWKS a 27-6 scoring edge. Sixteen offensive rebounds by the WARHAWKS contributed to an 18-3 second chance points advantage.
The WARHAWKS next go on the road to Eau Claire where St Olaf and Simpson will be opponents.
The Muskies kept it close early leading 10-9 after seven minutes of play. However Malia Smith's layup put the WARHAWKS up 11-10 and a 10-2 run to finish the quarter pushed the lead to seven 19-12. Lakeland was able to get within three points early in the second quarter. However the WARHAWKS eventually pushed the lead back to an 8-10 point spread and though they shot poorly (27%) led at halftime 33-20. Defensively the WARHAWKS forced 17 Muskie turnovers in the half leading to a 19-2 scoring advantage. Brooke Trewyn's 12 points led all scorers. The WARHAWKS opened the third quarter with a 14-7 run going up by twenty 47-27 however the Muskie's responded to finish the quarter with a 10-2 run of their own and pulled within 12 points 49-37. The WARHAWKS would build the lead back to a game high 21 points in the fourth quarter though the Muskies were able to reduce it against the end of the bench over the game's final four minutes.
Trewyn finished with 24 points, three rebounds, a pair of assists and one block and steal. Smith added 10 points and newcomer Becky Raeder chipped in with 8. The Muskies finished with 28 turnovers, the WARHAWKS a 27-6 scoring edge. Sixteen offensive rebounds by the WARHAWKS contributed to an 18-3 second chance points advantage.
The WARHAWKS next go on the road to Eau Claire where St Olaf and Simpson will be opponents.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 16, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
Post by: JMM on November 16, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
Cheers to the Warhawks. Will be pretty boring for Whitewater if they have to watch the Blugolds play before or after their games. EC is about as in the tank as can be. Even the die-hard fans are checking out.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2016, 02:52:48 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2016, 02:52:48 PM
That's unfortunate.
St Olaf (1-1): 51
WARHAWKS (2-0): 63
The WARHAWKS opened their weekend trip to Eau Claire with a 63-51 victory over St Olaf. The two teams stayed within four points of one another in the first stanza. Each team had four point leads and the two were tied once. Scoring the final four points of the quarter the WARHAWKS led by a pair 15-13 when it ended. The lead reached as many as nine points on twice before the half ended with the WARHAWKS leading 32-26. Andrea Minert led with 7 points while three others (Malia Smith, Becky Raeder and Kaelynn Lesniak) added four apiece. Early in the third quarter the WARHAWKS went up by 10 but the Ollies reduced it to single digits on their next possession and it stayed there throughout the quarter which ended 43-39 in the WARHAWKS favor. The WARHAWKS would quickly go up by twelve early. The Ollies would cut to five but get no closer.
Smith: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
Minert: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
Becky Diechl: 8 points, 4 rebounds, 4 steals
Oliva Freckmann: 9 rebounds
Kaelynn Lesniack: 7 rebounds
St Olaf (1-1): 51
WARHAWKS (2-0): 63
The WARHAWKS opened their weekend trip to Eau Claire with a 63-51 victory over St Olaf. The two teams stayed within four points of one another in the first stanza. Each team had four point leads and the two were tied once. Scoring the final four points of the quarter the WARHAWKS led by a pair 15-13 when it ended. The lead reached as many as nine points on twice before the half ended with the WARHAWKS leading 32-26. Andrea Minert led with 7 points while three others (Malia Smith, Becky Raeder and Kaelynn Lesniak) added four apiece. Early in the third quarter the WARHAWKS went up by 10 but the Ollies reduced it to single digits on their next possession and it stayed there throughout the quarter which ended 43-39 in the WARHAWKS favor. The WARHAWKS would quickly go up by twelve early. The Ollies would cut to five but get no closer.
Smith: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
Minert: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
Becky Diechl: 8 points, 4 rebounds, 4 steals
Oliva Freckmann: 9 rebounds
Kaelynn Lesniack: 7 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 20, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
Simpson (1-1): 55
WARHAWKS (3-0): 71
Concluding a quick two day trip to Eau Claire the WARHAWKS routed Simpson 71-55. Brooke Trewyn hit for a game high 24 points and pulled down a team high 9 rebounds to lead the WARHAWKS. After a brief WARHAWKS lead in the first minute of play the Storm took control and led by as many as seven until Malia Smith's free throw with two minutes remaining was followed by a three pointer from Riley Stewart putting the WARHAWKS ahead 19-16 with a single minute remaining and the quarter ended tied 21-21. In the first five and half minutes of the second quarter the WARHAWKS scored eight of the first eleven points to go up five 29-24 before the half ended with the lead at seven, 33-26. The WARHAWKS held the Storm to just five points in the quarter. Brooke Trewyn's 12 points led the way and the Junior wing player pulled down 4 rebounds. Smith and Stewart each added four rebounds and Stewart was second in scoring with 5 points. The WARHAWKS put the game away in the third quarter outscoring the Storm 22-11. Trewyn opened the quarter with a three pointer and for the majority of it the WARHAWKS lead remained in double figures reaching a high of nineteen 54-35 just before the quarter ended 55-37. Sixteen points is as close as the Storm would get in the final quarter.
Trewyn: 24 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Minert: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
Smith: 6 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 7 points, 5 rebounds
WARHAWKS (3-0): 71
Concluding a quick two day trip to Eau Claire the WARHAWKS routed Simpson 71-55. Brooke Trewyn hit for a game high 24 points and pulled down a team high 9 rebounds to lead the WARHAWKS. After a brief WARHAWKS lead in the first minute of play the Storm took control and led by as many as seven until Malia Smith's free throw with two minutes remaining was followed by a three pointer from Riley Stewart putting the WARHAWKS ahead 19-16 with a single minute remaining and the quarter ended tied 21-21. In the first five and half minutes of the second quarter the WARHAWKS scored eight of the first eleven points to go up five 29-24 before the half ended with the lead at seven, 33-26. The WARHAWKS held the Storm to just five points in the quarter. Brooke Trewyn's 12 points led the way and the Junior wing player pulled down 4 rebounds. Smith and Stewart each added four rebounds and Stewart was second in scoring with 5 points. The WARHAWKS put the game away in the third quarter outscoring the Storm 22-11. Trewyn opened the quarter with a three pointer and for the majority of it the WARHAWKS lead remained in double figures reaching a high of nineteen 54-35 just before the quarter ended 55-37. Sixteen points is as close as the Storm would get in the final quarter.
Trewyn: 24 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal
Andrea Minert: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
Smith: 6 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 7 points, 5 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2016, 01:30:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2016, 01:30:42 PM
Congrats Brooke Trewyn: This week's WIAC Player of the Week
Brooke Trewyn (Whitewater/Whitewater), Junior, Guard Trewyn averaged 18.7 points and 5.0 rebounds per game and shot 48.6 percent from the floor, 46.2 percent from 3-point range and 80 percent from the free-throw line to help the Warhawks post a 3-0 record. In the team's season opener against Lakeland on Nov. 15, she totaled a game-high 24 points on 7-of-13 shooting, including four 3-pointers, in a 70-56 win. Trewyn chipped in with eight points and three offensive rebounds Friday in a 63-51 victory over St. Olaf (Minn.) on the first day of the UW-Eau Claire Tipoff Tournament. She closed the week Saturday with 24 points on 8-of-14 shooting to go along with nine rebounds, four assists and two steals in a 71-55 triumph over Simpson (Iowa).
Brooke Trewyn (Whitewater/Whitewater), Junior, Guard Trewyn averaged 18.7 points and 5.0 rebounds per game and shot 48.6 percent from the floor, 46.2 percent from 3-point range and 80 percent from the free-throw line to help the Warhawks post a 3-0 record. In the team's season opener against Lakeland on Nov. 15, she totaled a game-high 24 points on 7-of-13 shooting, including four 3-pointers, in a 70-56 win. Trewyn chipped in with eight points and three offensive rebounds Friday in a 63-51 victory over St. Olaf (Minn.) on the first day of the UW-Eau Claire Tipoff Tournament. She closed the week Saturday with 24 points on 8-of-14 shooting to go along with nine rebounds, four assists and two steals in a 71-55 triumph over Simpson (Iowa).
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 23, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
WARHAWKS (4-0): 66
IWU (1-2): 55
Neither team led by more than three points in the first quarter. The WARHAWKS led for the first five minutes or so. Then IWU went ahead and held the lead until the WARHAWKS scored the final four points to regain the lead 12-11. The WARHAWKS turned the ball over ten times in the quarter but IWU shot so poorly they couldn't take advantage of it. The second quarter was pretty much the same story. The WARHAWKS continued to turn the ball over (8 times) and the Titans continued to miss shots (9 of 36). With the exception of one tie WHITEWATER held a lead for the first four minutes when IWU took their only lead 20-19 of the quarter. However the WARHAWKS outscored the Titans 5-2 after that and led 24-22 at the half. 18 first half WARHAWKS turnovers led to the Titans taking twice as many shots (36 to 18) but a 44% to 25% shooting advantage kept the score close. The WARHAWKS started the third quarter sinking 5 or their first 7 shots and taking the largest lead 35-28 to that point. A lead was maintained until just 11 seconds remained and IWU tied it at 44. After that both teams committed turnovers and WHITEWATER missed a three leaving it 44-44 after three. The early minutes of the final quarter decided the game as the WARHAWKS opened with 11-2 run in the first three and half minutes going up by 9. That lead expanded to twelve a minute later and after that IWU could get no closer than six.
I'm not one to complain about a W and there were positives, like shooting 48%, making 23 of 28 free throws and the play of Kaelynn Lesniack off the bench, but other aspects of the game were ugly. The WARHAWKS finished with a mind numbing 29 turnovers. That and 21 offensive rebounds gave IWU 27 more shots though IWU only out scored WW 12-9 on second chances and with 19 turnovers themselves they couldn't take advantage. Also free throws were a significant factor. IWU shot 16 free throws (18 WW fouls) making 9 while IWU's 22 fouls led to 28 free throws and the WARHAWKS sank 23 of them.
Malia Smith: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block
Andrea Mienert: 14 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 10 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Kaelynn Lesniak: 9 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block
Riley Stewart: 7 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals
Becky Raeder: 7 points, 1 assist
IWU (1-2): 55
Neither team led by more than three points in the first quarter. The WARHAWKS led for the first five minutes or so. Then IWU went ahead and held the lead until the WARHAWKS scored the final four points to regain the lead 12-11. The WARHAWKS turned the ball over ten times in the quarter but IWU shot so poorly they couldn't take advantage of it. The second quarter was pretty much the same story. The WARHAWKS continued to turn the ball over (8 times) and the Titans continued to miss shots (9 of 36). With the exception of one tie WHITEWATER held a lead for the first four minutes when IWU took their only lead 20-19 of the quarter. However the WARHAWKS outscored the Titans 5-2 after that and led 24-22 at the half. 18 first half WARHAWKS turnovers led to the Titans taking twice as many shots (36 to 18) but a 44% to 25% shooting advantage kept the score close. The WARHAWKS started the third quarter sinking 5 or their first 7 shots and taking the largest lead 35-28 to that point. A lead was maintained until just 11 seconds remained and IWU tied it at 44. After that both teams committed turnovers and WHITEWATER missed a three leaving it 44-44 after three. The early minutes of the final quarter decided the game as the WARHAWKS opened with 11-2 run in the first three and half minutes going up by 9. That lead expanded to twelve a minute later and after that IWU could get no closer than six.
I'm not one to complain about a W and there were positives, like shooting 48%, making 23 of 28 free throws and the play of Kaelynn Lesniack off the bench, but other aspects of the game were ugly. The WARHAWKS finished with a mind numbing 29 turnovers. That and 21 offensive rebounds gave IWU 27 more shots though IWU only out scored WW 12-9 on second chances and with 19 turnovers themselves they couldn't take advantage. Also free throws were a significant factor. IWU shot 16 free throws (18 WW fouls) making 9 while IWU's 22 fouls led to 28 free throws and the WARHAWKS sank 23 of them.
Malia Smith: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block
Andrea Mienert: 14 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 10 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Kaelynn Lesniak: 9 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block
Riley Stewart: 7 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals
Becky Raeder: 7 points, 1 assist
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2016, 11:49:39 AM
Post by: JMM on November 23, 2016, 11:49:39 AM
Young Blugold team looks for 3 wins in a row tonight against Edgewood, the team is playing well after dismal start against St Catherine of MN.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on November 26, 2016, 09:41:38 AM
Post by: JMM on November 26, 2016, 09:41:38 AM
Blugolds at Wartburg. Good test for a young team with lots of Freshman talent.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
WARHAWKS (5-0): 70
Ripon: 54
Sparked by Brooke Trewyn's 25 points and 12 rebound double double the WARHAWKS ran their season win streak to five games and their out of conference streak to 17 games by defeating Ripon 70-54 in the opening game in LaCrosse. Trewyn scored 8 of the team's first nine points leading the WARHAWKS to a twelve point 27-15 in the first quarter. However the WARHAWKS shooters cooled off in the second quarter scoring only seven points and allowing Ripon to cut the lead to five points 34-29 at the half. Trewyn went 7-8 from floor for 15 points to lead the WARHAWKS who shot 47% from the floor. The lWARHAWKS pushed the lead back into double figures in the first two and half minutes of the third quarter. Ripon did reduce it to a single digit 45-37 a couple of minutes later but Trewyn hit a jumper pushing it back into double figures where it remained the rest of the quarter which ended with the WARHAWKS up by twelve 55-43. Ripon cut that lead in half after three minutes of the final quarter but the WARHAWKS responded with a 14-1 run over the next four minutes to take their largest lead, 69-50 and coasted to the easy win.
Trewyn: 25 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks, 1 steal
Malia Smith: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 3 steals
TEAM: 11 steals, turnover points 17-9, second chance points 10-2
Ripon: 54
Sparked by Brooke Trewyn's 25 points and 12 rebound double double the WARHAWKS ran their season win streak to five games and their out of conference streak to 17 games by defeating Ripon 70-54 in the opening game in LaCrosse. Trewyn scored 8 of the team's first nine points leading the WARHAWKS to a twelve point 27-15 in the first quarter. However the WARHAWKS shooters cooled off in the second quarter scoring only seven points and allowing Ripon to cut the lead to five points 34-29 at the half. Trewyn went 7-8 from floor for 15 points to lead the WARHAWKS who shot 47% from the floor. The lWARHAWKS pushed the lead back into double figures in the first two and half minutes of the third quarter. Ripon did reduce it to a single digit 45-37 a couple of minutes later but Trewyn hit a jumper pushing it back into double figures where it remained the rest of the quarter which ended with the WARHAWKS up by twelve 55-43. Ripon cut that lead in half after three minutes of the final quarter but the WARHAWKS responded with a 14-1 run over the next four minutes to take their largest lead, 69-50 and coasted to the easy win.
Trewyn: 25 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks, 1 steal
Malia Smith: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 3 steals
TEAM: 11 steals, turnover points 17-9, second chance points 10-2
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2016, 07:00:23 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2016, 07:00:23 PM
WARHAWKS (6-0): 79
Simpson (1-3): 50
For the second time in a week the WARHAWKS met the Storm in a neutral gym and for the second time emerged with a win. Simpson got the first basket but the WARHAWKS tied it on their possession and took a lead they wouldn't surrender on the next. The lead remained in single digits until the three minute mark when Kaelyen Lesniak scored on a fast break layup pushing it into double figures, 21-11, and when the quarter ended the WARHAWKS were up thirteen 26-13. The lead remained in double figures through the second quarter and when it ended the WARHAWKS were up 39-23. Brooke Trewyn's 18 points, 5 rebounds and 3 steals led the WARHAWKS who had 12 steals as a team. The WARHAWKS pushed the lead into the twenties early in the third period and led by twenty-seven 60-33 when it ended. Simpson would get no closer than twenty-one in the final stanza and the WARHAWKS lead reached a high of thirty-two with less than a minute to play.
Trewyn: 28 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 3 steals
Becky Raeder: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block
Malia Smith: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 5 steals
In two games against Simpson Trewyn has 52 points, 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks and 5 steals.
Simpson (1-3): 50
For the second time in a week the WARHAWKS met the Storm in a neutral gym and for the second time emerged with a win. Simpson got the first basket but the WARHAWKS tied it on their possession and took a lead they wouldn't surrender on the next. The lead remained in single digits until the three minute mark when Kaelyen Lesniak scored on a fast break layup pushing it into double figures, 21-11, and when the quarter ended the WARHAWKS were up thirteen 26-13. The lead remained in double figures through the second quarter and when it ended the WARHAWKS were up 39-23. Brooke Trewyn's 18 points, 5 rebounds and 3 steals led the WARHAWKS who had 12 steals as a team. The WARHAWKS pushed the lead into the twenties early in the third period and led by twenty-seven 60-33 when it ended. Simpson would get no closer than twenty-one in the final stanza and the WARHAWKS lead reached a high of thirty-two with less than a minute to play.
Trewyn: 28 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 3 steals
Becky Raeder: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block
Malia Smith: 8 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 5 steals
In two games against Simpson Trewyn has 52 points, 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks and 5 steals.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 11, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Coe (2-5): 73
WARHAWKS (7-0): 79
Behind a career high 21 points from senior guard Reilly Stewart the WARHAWKS ran their out of conference winning streak to 19 with a come from behind 79-73 win over the Kohawks. The WARHAWKS open the scoring with a three point basket by freshman Becky Raeder and maintained a single digit lead which reached a high of eight points before the Kohawks pulled to within three 18-15 when the quarter ended. The WARHAWKS lead remained in single digits through the first six minutes of the second quarter when an old fashioned three point play by Andrea Meinert put the lead at ten 31-21. After the Kohawks scored Stewart scored five straight giving the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the game 36-23. However over the final three minutes the Kohawks would go on an 8-0 run and close to within five 36-31 when the half ended. Stewart and Meinert both scored 9 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Brooke Trewyn and Malia Smith each added 6 points and Trewyn had 3 of the team's 7 steals. The Kohawks heated up in the third quarter. Though the WARHAWKS maintained a lead for the first nine minutes the Kohawks kept reducing it and with a minute to play converted a layup off a steal to tie 48-48 and a pair of free throws to take their first lead 50-48. After Smith made a pair of free throws to retie the game the Kohawks scored the last points of the quarter to lead 52-50. In the first five minutes of the fourth quarter the two teams tied three times and exchanged the lead on three others until Reader's layup made the score 63-61. The lead would reach 7 over the final minutes of the game andthe WARHAWKS closed it out going 9-10 from the free throw line.
Stewart: 21 points, 3 rebounds
Smith: 19 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, steal
Meinert: 15 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, block
Trewyn: 10 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals
Team: 20 offensive rebounds
WARHAWKS (7-0): 79
Behind a career high 21 points from senior guard Reilly Stewart the WARHAWKS ran their out of conference winning streak to 19 with a come from behind 79-73 win over the Kohawks. The WARHAWKS open the scoring with a three point basket by freshman Becky Raeder and maintained a single digit lead which reached a high of eight points before the Kohawks pulled to within three 18-15 when the quarter ended. The WARHAWKS lead remained in single digits through the first six minutes of the second quarter when an old fashioned three point play by Andrea Meinert put the lead at ten 31-21. After the Kohawks scored Stewart scored five straight giving the WARHAWKS their largest lead of the game 36-23. However over the final three minutes the Kohawks would go on an 8-0 run and close to within five 36-31 when the half ended. Stewart and Meinert both scored 9 points to lead the WARHAWKS. Brooke Trewyn and Malia Smith each added 6 points and Trewyn had 3 of the team's 7 steals. The Kohawks heated up in the third quarter. Though the WARHAWKS maintained a lead for the first nine minutes the Kohawks kept reducing it and with a minute to play converted a layup off a steal to tie 48-48 and a pair of free throws to take their first lead 50-48. After Smith made a pair of free throws to retie the game the Kohawks scored the last points of the quarter to lead 52-50. In the first five minutes of the fourth quarter the two teams tied three times and exchanged the lead on three others until Reader's layup made the score 63-61. The lead would reach 7 over the final minutes of the game andthe WARHAWKS closed it out going 9-10 from the free throw line.
Stewart: 21 points, 3 rebounds
Smith: 19 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, steal
Meinert: 15 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, block
Trewyn: 10 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals
Team: 20 offensive rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2016, 10:32:54 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 14, 2016, 10:32:54 AM
Carroll (0-10): 43
WARHAWKS (8-0): 65
Carroll started the game hitting 3 of 4 three point atempts and an 11-1 run. But the WARHAWKS finished the quarter with a 13-3 run of their own tying the game 14-14 when it ended. The offensive spurt continued as the WARHAWKS shot 54% in the second quarter, opened it with a 10-0 run and outscored the Pioneers 25-9. Reilly Stewart's 10 points led all scorers while Malia Smith, Andrea Meinert and Camri Conley each contributed 6. The lead reached a high of 26 points midway through the third quarter before substitutes dominated the lineup. Nineteen WARHAWKS saw playing time. Fourteen of them scored at least a point and ten of them had at least a single steal. Carroll only dressed eight players and committed 30 turnovers in the game.
Smith: 12 points, 2 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 10 points, 2 assists
Meinert: 7 points, 9 rebounds
Trewyn: 7 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists
The WARHAWKS travel to Rock Island, Il for a game with Augustana Tuesday.
WARHAWKS (8-0): 65
Carroll started the game hitting 3 of 4 three point atempts and an 11-1 run. But the WARHAWKS finished the quarter with a 13-3 run of their own tying the game 14-14 when it ended. The offensive spurt continued as the WARHAWKS shot 54% in the second quarter, opened it with a 10-0 run and outscored the Pioneers 25-9. Reilly Stewart's 10 points led all scorers while Malia Smith, Andrea Meinert and Camri Conley each contributed 6. The lead reached a high of 26 points midway through the third quarter before substitutes dominated the lineup. Nineteen WARHAWKS saw playing time. Fourteen of them scored at least a point and ten of them had at least a single steal. Carroll only dressed eight players and committed 30 turnovers in the game.
Smith: 12 points, 2 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 10 points, 2 assists
Meinert: 7 points, 9 rebounds
Trewyn: 7 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists
The WARHAWKS travel to Rock Island, Il for a game with Augustana Tuesday.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2016, 11:03:50 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2016, 11:03:50 AM
WARHAWKS (8-1): 78
Augustana (10-0): 86
The WARHAWKS twenty game nonconference winning streak came to an end in Rock Island last night when we were beaten by the Vikings 78-86. Malia Smith scored a career high 26 points and Reilly Stewart added 13 but the Vikings had five players score 11-14 points apiece. Trailing by fifteen points half way through the fourth quarter the WARHAWKS rallied to tie the game 74-74 with just over a minute remaining when the Vikings converted a "and one" play to regain the lead and held off the WARHAWKS by going 8-8 from the free throw line the rest of the way. The WARHAWKS struggled from the floor shooting just 34% overall and 23% from beyond the arc. Augustana went 24-26 from the charity stripe and outscored the WARHAWKS 41-25 off the bench.
Smith: 26 points, 4 rebounds, 2 steals
Stewart: 13 points, 2 steals
Kaelynn Lesniak: 9 points, 3 rebounds
Oliva Freckmann: 8 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals
Augustana (10-0): 86
The WARHAWKS twenty game nonconference winning streak came to an end in Rock Island last night when we were beaten by the Vikings 78-86. Malia Smith scored a career high 26 points and Reilly Stewart added 13 but the Vikings had five players score 11-14 points apiece. Trailing by fifteen points half way through the fourth quarter the WARHAWKS rallied to tie the game 74-74 with just over a minute remaining when the Vikings converted a "and one" play to regain the lead and held off the WARHAWKS by going 8-8 from the free throw line the rest of the way. The WARHAWKS struggled from the floor shooting just 34% overall and 23% from beyond the arc. Augustana went 24-26 from the charity stripe and outscored the WARHAWKS 41-25 off the bench.
Smith: 26 points, 4 rebounds, 2 steals
Stewart: 13 points, 2 steals
Kaelynn Lesniak: 9 points, 3 rebounds
Oliva Freckmann: 8 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 30, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
WARHAWKS (9-1): 71
Case Western Reserve (7-3): 54
The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 6-0 run on a pair of jumpers from Andrea Meinert and one from Brooke Trewyn racing to a 23-10 first quarter lead. However Case Western Reserve found their touch in the second quarter outscoring the WARHAWKS 20-12 and pulling within five points 35-30 at the half. Reilly Stewart's 11 points led the WARHAWKS and Meinert added 9. CWR kept the game close in the third quarter pulling within a single possession a couple of times though they were never able to tie or take the lead and by the time the quarter ended the score stood at 47-41. Trewyn's three point basket early in the fourth quarter gave the WARHAWKS their first double digit lead in the game 52-41. CWR would get back to within six points 60-54 with just under five minutes remaining but the WARHAWKS would respond with layups by Meinert and Oliva Freckmann and finish the game with an 11-0 run.
Stewart: 24 points, 4 rebounds
Meinert: 16 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks
Malia Smith: 10 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Trewyn: 9 points, 6 rebounds
Team: 48-33 rebounds, 7 steals, 29-6 bench, 14-3 second chance
Case Western Reserve (7-3): 54
The WARHAWKS opened the game with a 6-0 run on a pair of jumpers from Andrea Meinert and one from Brooke Trewyn racing to a 23-10 first quarter lead. However Case Western Reserve found their touch in the second quarter outscoring the WARHAWKS 20-12 and pulling within five points 35-30 at the half. Reilly Stewart's 11 points led the WARHAWKS and Meinert added 9. CWR kept the game close in the third quarter pulling within a single possession a couple of times though they were never able to tie or take the lead and by the time the quarter ended the score stood at 47-41. Trewyn's three point basket early in the fourth quarter gave the WARHAWKS their first double digit lead in the game 52-41. CWR would get back to within six points 60-54 with just under five minutes remaining but the WARHAWKS would respond with layups by Meinert and Oliva Freckmann and finish the game with an 11-0 run.
Stewart: 24 points, 4 rebounds
Meinert: 16 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks
Malia Smith: 10 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Trewyn: 9 points, 6 rebounds
Team: 48-33 rebounds, 7 steals, 29-6 bench, 14-3 second chance
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 31, 2016, 12:10:08 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 31, 2016, 12:10:08 PM
WARHAWKS (10-1): 72
Capital (4-7): 58
The WARHAWKS overcame a cold shooting afternoon with pressure defense, rebounding and timely three point shooting to defeat Capital 72-58. It was Capital on the board first and the two teams played back and forth with four ties and three lead changes. However the WARHAWKS got a pair of free throws from Riley Stewart and Brooke Trewyn in the final minute to eke out an 11-10 lead at the quarter's end. The two teams exchanged the lead in the first couple minutes of the second quarter before Capital gained a 16-15 lead and gradually built it to eight 25-17 over the next four minutes. Gradually reducing the lead the WARHAWKS eventually went ahead 28-27 when Becky Raeder hit a pair of free throws. Raeder scored five points in the half's final minute and half ended 31-29 WARHAWKS. Trewyn's 10 points and Raeder's 8 led the team who shot just 30.6% including 0-7 from beyond the arc. The WARHAWKS maintained their lead through the first five minutes of the third quarter before Capital fought back and went on top 41-40. A pair of baskets by Andrea Meinert regained the lead for the WARHAWKS who behind three three pointers by Emily Kraft built it to ten points 55-45 when the quarter ended. Capital would get no closer than eight points in the final quarter.
Meinert: 15 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Trewyn: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 3 steals
Malia Smith: 14 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals
Team: 34-23 rebounds (17 offensive), 6 turnovers, 20-7 off of turnovers, 32-20 in the paint
Capital (4-7): 58
The WARHAWKS overcame a cold shooting afternoon with pressure defense, rebounding and timely three point shooting to defeat Capital 72-58. It was Capital on the board first and the two teams played back and forth with four ties and three lead changes. However the WARHAWKS got a pair of free throws from Riley Stewart and Brooke Trewyn in the final minute to eke out an 11-10 lead at the quarter's end. The two teams exchanged the lead in the first couple minutes of the second quarter before Capital gained a 16-15 lead and gradually built it to eight 25-17 over the next four minutes. Gradually reducing the lead the WARHAWKS eventually went ahead 28-27 when Becky Raeder hit a pair of free throws. Raeder scored five points in the half's final minute and half ended 31-29 WARHAWKS. Trewyn's 10 points and Raeder's 8 led the team who shot just 30.6% including 0-7 from beyond the arc. The WARHAWKS maintained their lead through the first five minutes of the third quarter before Capital fought back and went on top 41-40. A pair of baskets by Andrea Meinert regained the lead for the WARHAWKS who behind three three pointers by Emily Kraft built it to ten points 55-45 when the quarter ended. Capital would get no closer than eight points in the final quarter.
Meinert: 15 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists
Trewyn: 14 points, 6 rebounds, 3 steals
Malia Smith: 14 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals
Team: 34-23 rebounds (17 offensive), 6 turnovers, 20-7 off of turnovers, 32-20 in the paint
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 05, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
WARHAWKS (11-1): 65
La Crosse (6-6): 62
The WARHAWKS led by seven 23-16 after one quarter but the Eagles closed to within one 25-24 with seven minutes remaining in the half before the WARHAWKS closed out the half with a 12-0 run getting points from six different players and held a thirteen point lead 37-24 when it ended. The WARHAWKS shot 50% from the field including 3 of 6 treys and went 8 of 10 from the free throw line. Andrea Meinert's 11, Becky Raeder's 8 and Reilly Stewart's 7 led the WARHAWKS. The second half however was a different story as the WARHAWKS struggled to score shooting only 21% from the floor. The WARHAWKS maintained the lead which as late as the four and a half minute mark was still in double figures however the Eagles used a 10-0 run, in which the WARHAWKS went 1 for 6 shooting and had five turnovers, to close the half and pull to within three 47-44. After a minute or so of play in the fourth quarter the Eagles had tied the game. Though the WARHAWKS quickly regained the lead the Eagles weren't going anywhere and tied the game again 55-55 with three and half minutes remaining. The two teams went a combined 0-7 from the floor after that and went to overtime. The Eagles took a pair of one point leads in OT until Malia Smith sank a pair of free throws with two and half minutes remaining giving the WARHAWKS the lead 59-58. Olivia Fleckmann and Reilly Stewart each made baskets, Stewarts a three pointer, to create a six point cushion which the Eagles would reduce to three before missing a three point attempt at the end of the game.
Meinert: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists
Stewart: 14 points, 4 rebounds
Smith: 12 points, 3 assists, 2 steals
Raeder: 11 points, 2 rebounds, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 6 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals (42 minutes)
Becky Deichl: 8 rebounds: Fleckmann: 7 rebounds
La Crosse (6-6): 62
The WARHAWKS led by seven 23-16 after one quarter but the Eagles closed to within one 25-24 with seven minutes remaining in the half before the WARHAWKS closed out the half with a 12-0 run getting points from six different players and held a thirteen point lead 37-24 when it ended. The WARHAWKS shot 50% from the field including 3 of 6 treys and went 8 of 10 from the free throw line. Andrea Meinert's 11, Becky Raeder's 8 and Reilly Stewart's 7 led the WARHAWKS. The second half however was a different story as the WARHAWKS struggled to score shooting only 21% from the floor. The WARHAWKS maintained the lead which as late as the four and a half minute mark was still in double figures however the Eagles used a 10-0 run, in which the WARHAWKS went 1 for 6 shooting and had five turnovers, to close the half and pull to within three 47-44. After a minute or so of play in the fourth quarter the Eagles had tied the game. Though the WARHAWKS quickly regained the lead the Eagles weren't going anywhere and tied the game again 55-55 with three and half minutes remaining. The two teams went a combined 0-7 from the floor after that and went to overtime. The Eagles took a pair of one point leads in OT until Malia Smith sank a pair of free throws with two and half minutes remaining giving the WARHAWKS the lead 59-58. Olivia Fleckmann and Reilly Stewart each made baskets, Stewarts a three pointer, to create a six point cushion which the Eagles would reduce to three before missing a three point attempt at the end of the game.
Meinert: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists
Stewart: 14 points, 4 rebounds
Smith: 12 points, 3 assists, 2 steals
Raeder: 11 points, 2 rebounds, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 6 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals (42 minutes)
Becky Deichl: 8 rebounds: Fleckmann: 7 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2017, 12:53:08 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 08, 2017, 12:53:08 PM
Eau Claire (7-6): 37
WARHAWKS (12-1): 67
Both teams started the game shooting poorly and it took almost three and half minutes for the first points to be scored when a steal by Brooke Trewyn led to a basket from Andrea Meinert and staked the WARHAWKS to a lead they would never surrender. Eau Claire's scoring drought continued until about six and half minutes had expired when they scored on a pair of free throws. These would be the only points scored by the BluGolds as they went 0-8 from the field, turned the ball over 8 times and trailed 17-2 when the quarter ended. The game never got much closer as the BluGolds, though their shooting improved, struggled to score connecting on just 5 of 17 shots and scoring only 13 points in the half. Meanwhile the WARHAWKS, followed 50% shooting in the first quarter with 46% in the second one and ending the half up 32-13. No BluGold players scored more than two points in the half. The WARHAWKS were led by Riley Stewart's 9 points. The BluGolds never got untracked shooting 17% in the third quarter and scoring just 7 points. The WARHAWKS also shot poorly in the quarter hitting on only 4 of 14 shots though two were three pointers and the team hit on 6 of 8 free throws to increase their lead to twenty-eight 48-20. The WARHAWKS lead was never less than twenty-four in the final stanza. The WARHAWKS committed just 7 turnovers in the game forcing 21, including 13 steals, by the BluGolds and gaining a 21-0 point advantage off of them.
Malia Smith: 11 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Reilly Stewart: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 10 points, 3 rebounds, 3 steals
Becky Deichl: 9 points, 3 rebounds
Andrea Meinert suffered what appeared to be a knee injury during the game. If I was the BluGold fan who shouted "call the travel" as she lay on the floor in significant pain I'd be ashamed of myself. Hopefully Andrea's injury is not as severe as it looked.
Is there anyone at all interested in discussing WIAC womens hoops?
WARHAWKS (12-1): 67
Both teams started the game shooting poorly and it took almost three and half minutes for the first points to be scored when a steal by Brooke Trewyn led to a basket from Andrea Meinert and staked the WARHAWKS to a lead they would never surrender. Eau Claire's scoring drought continued until about six and half minutes had expired when they scored on a pair of free throws. These would be the only points scored by the BluGolds as they went 0-8 from the field, turned the ball over 8 times and trailed 17-2 when the quarter ended. The game never got much closer as the BluGolds, though their shooting improved, struggled to score connecting on just 5 of 17 shots and scoring only 13 points in the half. Meanwhile the WARHAWKS, followed 50% shooting in the first quarter with 46% in the second one and ending the half up 32-13. No BluGold players scored more than two points in the half. The WARHAWKS were led by Riley Stewart's 9 points. The BluGolds never got untracked shooting 17% in the third quarter and scoring just 7 points. The WARHAWKS also shot poorly in the quarter hitting on only 4 of 14 shots though two were three pointers and the team hit on 6 of 8 free throws to increase their lead to twenty-eight 48-20. The WARHAWKS lead was never less than twenty-four in the final stanza. The WARHAWKS committed just 7 turnovers in the game forcing 21, including 13 steals, by the BluGolds and gaining a 21-0 point advantage off of them.
Malia Smith: 11 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals
Reilly Stewart: 11 points, 5 rebounds, 2 steals
Brooke Trewyn: 10 points, 3 rebounds, 3 steals
Becky Deichl: 9 points, 3 rebounds
Andrea Meinert suffered what appeared to be a knee injury during the game. If I was the BluGold fan who shouted "call the travel" as she lay on the floor in significant pain I'd be ashamed of myself. Hopefully Andrea's injury is not as severe as it looked.
Is there anyone at all interested in discussing WIAC womens hoops?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 12, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
WARHAWKS (12-1, 3-0): 65
River Falls (5-9, 0-3): 54
The WARHAWKS used an 11-0 scoring run in the last four minutes of the first quarter to take a 26-12 lead in defeating the Falcons and running their current winning streak to five games. That lead grew to 37-14 in the second quarter before the Falcons finished the quarter on a 10-3 run making it 40-24 at the half. The WARHAWKS shot 45.5% in the half while holding the Falcons to 33.3% and held a 3 to 12 turnover advantage which included 12 steals and resulted in a 13-2 scoring advantage. Brooke Trewyn led all scorers with 18 points while no Falcon scored more than six points. Though their shooting percentage fell off some and the Falcons ball handling improved in the second half the WARHAWKS led by as many as eighteen points in the third quarter and the lead never fell below ten points in the final quarter.
Trewyn: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Malia Smith: 15 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Oliva Fleckmann: 6 points, 7 rebounds
Becky Deichl: 5 rebounds
River Falls (5-9, 0-3): 54
The WARHAWKS used an 11-0 scoring run in the last four minutes of the first quarter to take a 26-12 lead in defeating the Falcons and running their current winning streak to five games. That lead grew to 37-14 in the second quarter before the Falcons finished the quarter on a 10-3 run making it 40-24 at the half. The WARHAWKS shot 45.5% in the half while holding the Falcons to 33.3% and held a 3 to 12 turnover advantage which included 12 steals and resulted in a 13-2 scoring advantage. Brooke Trewyn led all scorers with 18 points while no Falcon scored more than six points. Though their shooting percentage fell off some and the Falcons ball handling improved in the second half the WARHAWKS led by as many as eighteen points in the third quarter and the lead never fell below ten points in the final quarter.
Trewyn: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals
Malia Smith: 15 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals
Oliva Fleckmann: 6 points, 7 rebounds
Becky Deichl: 5 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 15, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
WARHAWKS (13-1, 4-0): 77
Platteville (5-10, 1-3): 72
The two teams played close in the first quarter. The Pioneers largest lead was three early in the quarter the WARHAWKS' six at the midway point and 19-17 when it ended. The Pioneers went on top early in the second quarter and built an 8 point lead 36-28 with two and half minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS scored the only points after that on three pointers by guards Emily Kraft and Reilly Stewart cutting the deficit to two 36-34 when the half ended. Brooke Trewyn led all scorers with 11 points while Stewart was good for 7. Both teams had problems with ball control combining for twenty three turnovers (WW: 10, P: 13) with the WARHAWKS outscoring the Pioneers 10-5 off of them. The two teams exchanged the lead in the first few minutes of the third quarter before Becky Raeder's jumper gave the WARHAWKS the lead for good 41-40 and initiated a run of 21-12 that would develop a lead as high as eleven and ended with the WARHAWKS up ten 62-52 when the quarter ended. The WARHAWKS still led by ten points with a little over the minute remaining and made 5 of 6 free throws to hold off the Pioneers who had pulled to within three before the game ended.
Trewyn: 28 points, 8 rebounds, 5 steals
Malia Smith: 12 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 12 points, 3 rebounds
Team: 13 steals, 21-24 free throws
Platteville (5-10, 1-3): 72
The two teams played close in the first quarter. The Pioneers largest lead was three early in the quarter the WARHAWKS' six at the midway point and 19-17 when it ended. The Pioneers went on top early in the second quarter and built an 8 point lead 36-28 with two and half minutes remaining. The WARHAWKS scored the only points after that on three pointers by guards Emily Kraft and Reilly Stewart cutting the deficit to two 36-34 when the half ended. Brooke Trewyn led all scorers with 11 points while Stewart was good for 7. Both teams had problems with ball control combining for twenty three turnovers (WW: 10, P: 13) with the WARHAWKS outscoring the Pioneers 10-5 off of them. The two teams exchanged the lead in the first few minutes of the third quarter before Becky Raeder's jumper gave the WARHAWKS the lead for good 41-40 and initiated a run of 21-12 that would develop a lead as high as eleven and ended with the WARHAWKS up ten 62-52 when the quarter ended. The WARHAWKS still led by ten points with a little over the minute remaining and made 5 of 6 free throws to hold off the Pioneers who had pulled to within three before the game ended.
Trewyn: 28 points, 8 rebounds, 5 steals
Malia Smith: 12 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals
Stewart: 12 points, 3 rebounds
Team: 13 steals, 21-24 free throws
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 19, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Oshkosh (14-2, 4-1): 50
WARHAWKS (15-1, 5-0): 55
Scoring was slow to start the game. After a couple of ties in the first five minutes the Titan's took a 6-4 lead and maintained a 2-4 point lead for the rest of the quarter which ended 10-8. The Titan lead grew to eight points 18-10 in the first four minutes of the second quarter before Brooke Trewyn scored nine points and Reilly Stewart a pair to give the WARHAWKS a 21-18 lead. That lead held for the remainder of the half which ended with the WARHAWKS ahead 26-23. Neither team shot well (33.3%) in the half. Trewyn led all scorers with 11 points and Malia Smith added 8 points. Trewyn and Smith were also the half's leading rebounders with 6 and 8 respectively. Oshkosh scored the first six points of the third stanza to regain the lead but Trewyn's layup and Smith's successful three pointer put the WARHAWKS back on top 31-29 at four and half minutes. After the Titans tied it again the WARHAWKS scored the only points in the last three minutes and led 35-33 at the end of the quarter. The Titans would battle back to take a one point lead 38-37 two and half minutes into the final quarter but the WARHAWKS responded with a 10-1 run over the next four minutes and sank 6 of 8 free throws down the stretch.
Smith: 20 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals
Trewyn: 17 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists
Oliva Fleckmann: 6 points, 6 rebounds
Becky Deichl: 6 points, 4 rebounds
Team: Free throws: WW: 15-17, Oshkosh: 10-17
WARHAWKS (15-1, 5-0): 55
Scoring was slow to start the game. After a couple of ties in the first five minutes the Titan's took a 6-4 lead and maintained a 2-4 point lead for the rest of the quarter which ended 10-8. The Titan lead grew to eight points 18-10 in the first four minutes of the second quarter before Brooke Trewyn scored nine points and Reilly Stewart a pair to give the WARHAWKS a 21-18 lead. That lead held for the remainder of the half which ended with the WARHAWKS ahead 26-23. Neither team shot well (33.3%) in the half. Trewyn led all scorers with 11 points and Malia Smith added 8 points. Trewyn and Smith were also the half's leading rebounders with 6 and 8 respectively. Oshkosh scored the first six points of the third stanza to regain the lead but Trewyn's layup and Smith's successful three pointer put the WARHAWKS back on top 31-29 at four and half minutes. After the Titans tied it again the WARHAWKS scored the only points in the last three minutes and led 35-33 at the end of the quarter. The Titans would battle back to take a one point lead 38-37 two and half minutes into the final quarter but the WARHAWKS responded with a 10-1 run over the next four minutes and sank 6 of 8 free throws down the stretch.
Smith: 20 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals
Trewyn: 17 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists
Oliva Fleckmann: 6 points, 6 rebounds
Becky Deichl: 6 points, 4 rebounds
Team: Free throws: WW: 15-17, Oshkosh: 10-17
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 22, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
Stout (5-12, 1-5): 63
WARHAWKS (16-1, 6-0): 74
The two teams played back and forth in the first quarter. Neither team was able to create any significant separation between them. The Blue Devils biggest lead was three points. The WARHAWKS built five point leads twice in the quarter the last time being with just under a minute remaining. But the Blue Devils scored last and trailed by three 20-17 when the quarter ended. The second quarter was more of the same with six ties and seven lead changes. One or two points separated the two through the quarter until the Blue Devils, leading by a pair, scored the last basket and took a 39-35 lead into the locker room. The Blue Devils shot 53% in the half but eleven turnovers led to the WARHAWKS scoring 16 points and the WARHAWKS bench outscored the Stout bench 16-7. Becky Diechl's 10 points led the WARHAWKS. The third quarter played out like the first two. The Blue Devil's went up by five early in the third quarter but the WARHAWKS rallied. The two teams were tied three times and exchanged the lead four times. With the two tied 48-48 with just over three minutes the Blue Devils were able to close out the quarter on a 6-3 run to lead by three 54-51 at it's conclusion. Malia Smith's basket and a pair of free throws from Brooke Trewyn opened the final stanza and ignited a 15-0 run that sealed the ninth straight WARHAWKS win.
Stewart: 19 points, 2 steals
Trewyn: 18 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals
Diechl: 14 points
Fleckmann: 7 points, 17 rebounds, 3 assists, block, steal
TEAM: 13:5 a:to, 21-0 points off of turnovers, 27% scoring defense in the second half
WARHAWKS (16-1, 6-0): 74
The two teams played back and forth in the first quarter. Neither team was able to create any significant separation between them. The Blue Devils biggest lead was three points. The WARHAWKS built five point leads twice in the quarter the last time being with just under a minute remaining. But the Blue Devils scored last and trailed by three 20-17 when the quarter ended. The second quarter was more of the same with six ties and seven lead changes. One or two points separated the two through the quarter until the Blue Devils, leading by a pair, scored the last basket and took a 39-35 lead into the locker room. The Blue Devils shot 53% in the half but eleven turnovers led to the WARHAWKS scoring 16 points and the WARHAWKS bench outscored the Stout bench 16-7. Becky Diechl's 10 points led the WARHAWKS. The third quarter played out like the first two. The Blue Devil's went up by five early in the third quarter but the WARHAWKS rallied. The two teams were tied three times and exchanged the lead four times. With the two tied 48-48 with just over three minutes the Blue Devils were able to close out the quarter on a 6-3 run to lead by three 54-51 at it's conclusion. Malia Smith's basket and a pair of free throws from Brooke Trewyn opened the final stanza and ignited a 15-0 run that sealed the ninth straight WARHAWKS win.
Stewart: 19 points, 2 steals
Trewyn: 18 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals
Diechl: 14 points
Fleckmann: 7 points, 17 rebounds, 3 assists, block, steal
TEAM: 13:5 a:to, 21-0 points off of turnovers, 27% scoring defense in the second half
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2017, 10:46:54 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 24, 2017, 10:46:54 PM
This one goes to all those Warhawk fans. You know who you are, BadgerWarhawk...
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/central/2016-17/whitewater-soldiers-on
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/central/2016-17/whitewater-soldiers-on
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2017, 09:58:15 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 25, 2017, 09:58:15 AM
Thanks for the link Gordon. I wish other WIAC fans would participate but it looks like I'm it.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 26, 2017, 11:49:17 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 26, 2017, 11:49:17 AM
WARHAWKS (16-2, 6-1): 57
Stevens Point: 70
The WARHAWKS had the early lead getting in front by as many as five points in the first five and half minutes of the game though both teams started cold from the floor. However at that point Stevens Point went in front though the WARHAWKS later tied the game 11-11 on a Malia Smith layup and that score stood at the end of the quarter. The Pointers quickly regained the lead in the second quarter and the WARHAWKS would lead one more time 16-15 on Reilly Stewart's free throw at the midway point. That lead lasted only one possession as the Pointers regained control building their lead to a high of eight points before the quarter ended with them ahead by five 26-21. Throwing the ball in the ocean would have been a 50-50 proposition for the WARHAWKS who shot just 30% from the floor. Becky Raeder's 8 points led the team. The Pointers put the game away in the third quarter when their lead swelled to double digits and stood at 13 when the quarter ended 52-39. The Pointer lead grew to as many as twenty in the final stanza. The WARHAWKS deficit was never fewer than 11 points. Points in the paint were a deciding factor as the Pointers outscored the WARHAWKS 34-18.
Smith: 11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Oliva Fleckman: 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals
Raeder: 10 points, 2 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Stevens Point: 70
The WARHAWKS had the early lead getting in front by as many as five points in the first five and half minutes of the game though both teams started cold from the floor. However at that point Stevens Point went in front though the WARHAWKS later tied the game 11-11 on a Malia Smith layup and that score stood at the end of the quarter. The Pointers quickly regained the lead in the second quarter and the WARHAWKS would lead one more time 16-15 on Reilly Stewart's free throw at the midway point. That lead lasted only one possession as the Pointers regained control building their lead to a high of eight points before the quarter ended with them ahead by five 26-21. Throwing the ball in the ocean would have been a 50-50 proposition for the WARHAWKS who shot just 30% from the floor. Becky Raeder's 8 points led the team. The Pointers put the game away in the third quarter when their lead swelled to double digits and stood at 13 when the quarter ended 52-39. The Pointer lead grew to as many as twenty in the final stanza. The WARHAWKS deficit was never fewer than 11 points. Points in the paint were a deciding factor as the Pointers outscored the WARHAWKS 34-18.
Smith: 11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals
Oliva Fleckman: 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals
Raeder: 10 points, 2 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 8 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 26, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 26, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
Quite the game at Kolf last night. 34 missed three pointers. UWO shot barely over 30% for the game (I would have lost that bet). Couldn't get an offensive rebound to save their lives. 4 second chance points and ZERO fast break points between the 2 teams. UWO needs to start taking advantage of the FTA advantage they get most games. 10 misses won't cut it come March. But, as the man said, a win is a win.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2017, 12:32:11 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2017, 12:32:11 AM
LaCrosse (10-9, 4-4): 53
WARHAWKS (17-2, 7-1): 67
With the exception of a single tie the Eagles led for the first quarter. Their lead reached a high of five points three times and stood at three 14-11 when the quarter ended. They continued to hold their lead through the second quarter as well. The WARHAWKS got to within one early in the quarter but the Eagles held their largest lead of the game to that point at 40-32 at the half. Coming off a poor shooting night last Wednesday the WARHAWKS shooting woes continued finishing the half at 23.3%. Reilly Stewart led the team with 7 points. The Eagles Mekenzie Miller led all scorers with 14 points largely in the paint. The Eagles maintained their lead into the second half building it to a high of ten points 39-29 six minutes in. The lead reached ten again a couple minutes later but was closed to seven 43-36 when Malia Smith hit a pair of free throws to conclude the stanza. The tide finally turned in the final stanza as the WARHAWKS came out with a full court press and the Eagles had some struggles dealing with it. The WARHAWKS quickly tied the game 43-43 on seven straight points from Smith and went ahead for good on a three pointer by Stewart that followed. Totally, including the final seconds of the third quarter, the WARHAWKS made a 17-0 run in the quarter. Hitting on 9-14 shots while holding the Eagles to 3-19 the WARHAWKS three possession or better lead. The Eagles would get as close as four with about three and half minutes to play but the WARHAWKS went 9-10 from the free throw line to maintain a comfortable lead over the closing minutes. The WARHAWKS outscored the Eagles 31-10 in the quarter.
Smith: 17 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, block
Olivia Fleckmann: 12 points, 6 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 11 points, 12 rebounds 4 assists, 2 blocks
Stewart: 10 points, 2 assists
TEAM: 23-28 FT, 24-7 bench points
WARHAWKS (17-2, 7-1): 67
With the exception of a single tie the Eagles led for the first quarter. Their lead reached a high of five points three times and stood at three 14-11 when the quarter ended. They continued to hold their lead through the second quarter as well. The WARHAWKS got to within one early in the quarter but the Eagles held their largest lead of the game to that point at 40-32 at the half. Coming off a poor shooting night last Wednesday the WARHAWKS shooting woes continued finishing the half at 23.3%. Reilly Stewart led the team with 7 points. The Eagles Mekenzie Miller led all scorers with 14 points largely in the paint. The Eagles maintained their lead into the second half building it to a high of ten points 39-29 six minutes in. The lead reached ten again a couple minutes later but was closed to seven 43-36 when Malia Smith hit a pair of free throws to conclude the stanza. The tide finally turned in the final stanza as the WARHAWKS came out with a full court press and the Eagles had some struggles dealing with it. The WARHAWKS quickly tied the game 43-43 on seven straight points from Smith and went ahead for good on a three pointer by Stewart that followed. Totally, including the final seconds of the third quarter, the WARHAWKS made a 17-0 run in the quarter. Hitting on 9-14 shots while holding the Eagles to 3-19 the WARHAWKS three possession or better lead. The Eagles would get as close as four with about three and half minutes to play but the WARHAWKS went 9-10 from the free throw line to maintain a comfortable lead over the closing minutes. The WARHAWKS outscored the Eagles 31-10 in the quarter.
Smith: 17 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, block
Olivia Fleckmann: 12 points, 6 rebounds
Brooke Trewyn: 11 points, 12 rebounds 4 assists, 2 blocks
Stewart: 10 points, 2 assists
TEAM: 23-28 FT, 24-7 bench points
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 02, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
Platteville (6-14, 2-7): 59
WARHAWKS (18-2, 8-1): 76
The WARHAWKS opened the game with an 18-2 run and dominated the boards 56-36 including 30 offensive rebounds leading to 23 second chance points to maintain their share of first place with the win over the Pioneers. The lead was as high as seventeen points before the first quarter ended with the WARHAWKS on top 26-11. Though the Pioneers had some opportunities the WARHAWKS lead was never less than double digits throughout the second quarter and stood at twelve 40-28 at the half. Reilly Stewart's 12 points led the way while Brooke Trewyn added 10. The tide turned on the WARHAWKS in the third quarter as they missed 8 of the first 9 shots and turned the ball over 5 times in the first five minutes allowing the Pioneers to close the gap to just a single possession 43-41. But that's as close as it would get as Malia Smith scored the next five points on a layup and three pointer and the WARHAWKS would end the quarter with a 14-0 run and a 57-41 lead. The lead was never less than sixteen after that.
Trewyn: 17 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, block, 3 steals
Stewart: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals
Smith: 13 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals
Gilley Martinelli: 8 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists
Olivia Fleckmann: 10 rebounds
WARHAWKS (18-2, 8-1): 76
The WARHAWKS opened the game with an 18-2 run and dominated the boards 56-36 including 30 offensive rebounds leading to 23 second chance points to maintain their share of first place with the win over the Pioneers. The lead was as high as seventeen points before the first quarter ended with the WARHAWKS on top 26-11. Though the Pioneers had some opportunities the WARHAWKS lead was never less than double digits throughout the second quarter and stood at twelve 40-28 at the half. Reilly Stewart's 12 points led the way while Brooke Trewyn added 10. The tide turned on the WARHAWKS in the third quarter as they missed 8 of the first 9 shots and turned the ball over 5 times in the first five minutes allowing the Pioneers to close the gap to just a single possession 43-41. But that's as close as it would get as Malia Smith scored the next five points on a layup and three pointer and the WARHAWKS would end the quarter with a 14-0 run and a 57-41 lead. The lead was never less than sixteen after that.
Trewyn: 17 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, block, 3 steals
Stewart: 14 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals
Smith: 13 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals
Gilley Martinelli: 8 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists
Olivia Fleckmann: 10 rebounds
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2017, 12:27:30 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2017, 12:27:30 PM
WARHAWKS (18-3, 8-2): 50
Stout (7-14, 3-7): 80
The WARHAWKS shot a season low 20.5% struggling to score in three of four quarters and falling out of the first place tie by losing 80-50 to the Blue Devils. The two teams played close in the first quarter which ended with the Blue Devils up by a point 12-11. The second quarter was a disaster for the WARHAWKS who made just two of fifteen attempts and three free throws allowing the Blue Devil lead to swell to sixteen 35-19. The WARHAWKS got to within eight in the third quarter but the Blue Devils led by twelve 50-38 when it ended which was as close as it would get before the final horn.
Reilly Stewart: 17 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Malia Smith: 5 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 steals
Emily Kraft: 7 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists
Stout (7-14, 3-7): 80
The WARHAWKS shot a season low 20.5% struggling to score in three of four quarters and falling out of the first place tie by losing 80-50 to the Blue Devils. The two teams played close in the first quarter which ended with the Blue Devils up by a point 12-11. The second quarter was a disaster for the WARHAWKS who made just two of fifteen attempts and three free throws allowing the Blue Devil lead to swell to sixteen 35-19. The WARHAWKS got to within eight in the third quarter but the Blue Devils led by twelve 50-38 when it ended which was as close as it would get before the final horn.
Reilly Stewart: 17 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Malia Smith: 5 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 steals
Emily Kraft: 7 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 15, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 15, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Big win for Oshkosh as they hold on 59-58 to secure first outright WIAC title since 1999. 1 point lead after the first, but WW went on a run to end the half up 5. Taylor Schmidt hit two big 3s to pad the lead late, and WW turned it over on the last play after a bad UWO turnover.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 16, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
Congratulations
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
That was just an odd game. UWO could not hit a bull in the butt with a barrel of rice for the first 3 quarters, getting down by as many as 31 (yes, you read that right). Then, after scoring 21 in the first 3, they scored 35 in the final frame, but too little too late as they lose the final by 9. Will be interesting to see what the committee does to UWO. Had they lost by 30, I doubt they would host. Since they were able to make a bit of a comeback, maybe they get the Friday and Saturday games (I hope so, just for the sake of me being able to work 3 more games). But we shall find out tomorrow. Congrats to UWW on the title, and thanks to this website for letting me be able to type about 3 paragraphs, then delete the disparaging remarks I had about comments from the stands. Keeps me out of trouble!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2017, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2017, 11:01:48 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2017, 06:04:04 PMMargin of victory, or even results in the last week, last 10 games, etc. aren't criteria like they are in D-I. Every game counts the same as every other one in D-III. So I don't think it matters as much.
That was just an odd game. UWO could not hit a bull in the butt with a barrel of rice for the first 3 quarters, getting down by as many as 31 (yes, you read that right). Then, after scoring 21 in the first 3, they scored 35 in the final frame, but too little too late as they lose the final by 9. Will be interesting to see what the committee does to UWO. Had they lost by 30, I doubt they would host. Since they were able to make a bit of a comeback, maybe they get the Friday and Saturday games (I hope so, just for the sake of me being able to work 3 more games). But we shall find out tomorrow. Congrats to UWW on the title, and thanks to this website for letting me be able to type about 3 paragraphs, then delete the disparaging remarks I had about comments from the stands. Keeps me out of trouble!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2017, 02:57:07 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2017, 02:57:07 PM
On paper, that is true. I think a human being would see a 31 point home loss and at least 1 or 2 negative neurons would fire. Though they are closest we will ever see, the people at the NCAA aren't 100% robots.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2017, 03:13:51 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2017, 03:13:51 PM
UWO hosting, but a pretty tough draw. Those are 4 darn good teams. Calvin has a pretty good inside/outside combo. I think depth favors UWO. Just need to get the lid off the basket from yesterday.
And, on the plus side, I get to say "Chuck Winkelman" over the PA. Guessing a combination of Chuck Woolery and Babe Winkelman.
And, on the plus side, I get to say "Chuck Winkelman" over the PA. Guessing a combination of Chuck Woolery and Babe Winkelman.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 06:57:26 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 06:57:26 PM
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 05, 2017, 03:57:42 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 05, 2017, 03:57:42 PM
Fun weekend at Kolf. Titans make it back to the Sweet 16 for the 2nd time in 4 years with W's over Calvin and Depauw. UWO only shot 11 FT's to opponents 41, which I thought was an odd stat to see. But they shot the ball as well from the field as I have seen them all year. Should be a fun one against Wash U!
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 06, 2017, 05:27:47 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 06, 2017, 05:27:47 PM
Good luck
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: GoPerry on March 10, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
Post by: GoPerry on March 10, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
Congrats on a great season UWO Titans. Wash U just a very tough team to beat.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2017, 02:35:29 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2017, 02:35:29 PM
Congratulations to UW-Oshkosh's Taylor Schmidt (1st team), UW-Lacrosse's McKenzie Miller (2nd team) and UW-WHITEWATER's Brooke Trewyn (3rd team) for being named to the D3Hoops.com All Central Region team.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 02, 2017, 09:48:56 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on May 02, 2017, 09:48:56 AM
Ex-Whitewater HS post Sarah Schumacher (6'2") is transferring from DII Quincy College to join the WARHAWKS. Also joining the team is her sister Rebecca who will graduate from Whitewater HS this spring. Rebecca is more along the lines of a 2 or 3. Both are athletic and should fit the WARHAWKS system very well.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2017, 02:36:41 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on July 20, 2017, 02:36:41 PM
The BluGolds may have had a disappointing year on the court but they were outstanding in the classroom. Congrats
http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2017/7/19/womens-basketball-uw-eau-claire-earns-spot-on-wbca-academic-top-25-team-honor-roll.aspx
http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2017/7/19/womens-basketball-uw-eau-claire-earns-spot-on-wbca-academic-top-25-team-honor-roll.aspx
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 21, 2017, 01:25:04 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 21, 2017, 01:25:04 PM
While it isn't related to the conference anymore, UW-Superior had their coach step down yesterday. I am hearing, but can't confirm just yet, that the UWL and UWS jobs are related moving forward. Looking forward to getting more information.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2017, 09:58:22 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 16, 2017, 09:58:22 AM
WARHAWKS: 75
Elmhurst: 64
Shooting 50.8% from the floor and getting double figure points from four starters the UW-WHITEWATER WARHAWKS used a 17-9 fourth quarter scoring edge to defeat Elmhurst 75-64. The two teams exchanged the lead four times and tied twice in the initial quarter before Elmhurst finished ahead 21-20. The second quarter started the same way with the two teams exchanging the lead before WARHAWKS senior guard Brooke Trewyn's three pointer tied the game sparking a 6-1 WARHAWKS run and a five point lead, the largest of the half. A three pointer by the Blue Jays cut the deficit to a pair 37-35 at the half. Trewyn led all scorers/rebounders with 20/7. The WARHAWKS held 18-11 and 22-12 scoring advantages in points off of turnovers and in the paint respectively. Jasim Baily's 10 points and Hannah Henderson's 5 rebounds led the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays tied the game with the first basket of the second half but the WARHAWKS regained the lead and built it to a high of six before the Blue Jays tied it a second time 54-54 with a little over a minute and half remaining. A fast break layup put the WARHAWKS back in the lead and a jumper at the end of the half made the score 58-55. A 15-3 WARHAWKS run to open the final stanza pushed the lead to fifteen 73-58 and iced the victory. Trewyn finished with 22 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals and a block. It was the tenth double/double of her career. Andrea Meinert (16), Camri Conley (16) and Becky Raeder (11) also scored in double figures. Mikaela Eppard paced the Blue Jays with 12 points and 6 rebounds. Lisa Logan (12), Kelly Weyhrich (11) and Baily (10) added double figure points.
Elmhurst: 64
Shooting 50.8% from the floor and getting double figure points from four starters the UW-WHITEWATER WARHAWKS used a 17-9 fourth quarter scoring edge to defeat Elmhurst 75-64. The two teams exchanged the lead four times and tied twice in the initial quarter before Elmhurst finished ahead 21-20. The second quarter started the same way with the two teams exchanging the lead before WARHAWKS senior guard Brooke Trewyn's three pointer tied the game sparking a 6-1 WARHAWKS run and a five point lead, the largest of the half. A three pointer by the Blue Jays cut the deficit to a pair 37-35 at the half. Trewyn led all scorers/rebounders with 20/7. The WARHAWKS held 18-11 and 22-12 scoring advantages in points off of turnovers and in the paint respectively. Jasim Baily's 10 points and Hannah Henderson's 5 rebounds led the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays tied the game with the first basket of the second half but the WARHAWKS regained the lead and built it to a high of six before the Blue Jays tied it a second time 54-54 with a little over a minute and half remaining. A fast break layup put the WARHAWKS back in the lead and a jumper at the end of the half made the score 58-55. A 15-3 WARHAWKS run to open the final stanza pushed the lead to fifteen 73-58 and iced the victory. Trewyn finished with 22 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals and a block. It was the tenth double/double of her career. Andrea Meinert (16), Camri Conley (16) and Becky Raeder (11) also scored in double figures. Mikaela Eppard paced the Blue Jays with 12 points and 6 rebounds. Lisa Logan (12), Kelly Weyhrich (11) and Baily (10) added double figure points.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 17, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
The basketball season always experiences a lull a month after starting the season. It is one of just a few sports that experiences the ups and downs of scheduling. With finals complete and students headed home for the holidays, teams are left to either take a very long stretch of time off as well or find a way to stay active.
Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a few coaches whose programs are at a cross-roads: finding a way to keep playing or take a break after squeezing in nearly half the season in the opening four weeks. Dave will also take a look at the Top 25 and wonder if things have settled down especially on the men's side.
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: deiscanton on December 27, 2017, 05:03:38 AM
Post by: deiscanton on December 27, 2017, 05:03:38 AM
Live streaming coverage of UW River-Falls women's basketball has just been added for this weekend's classic at Whittier College in California involving Emmanuel and Dickinson.
The classic is being played from Friday, Dec. 29 to Sunday, Dec. 31, with all games tipping at noon Pacific/2 PM Central/3 PM Eastern.
UW River-Falls plays Dickinson on Friday, Dec. 29, and Emmanuel on Saturday, Dec. 30.
Records coming into the weekend--
UW River-Falls, 7-2, 0-0 WIAC
Dickinson, 2-6, 2-3 Centennial
Emmanuel, 4-5, 1-1 GNAC
Live video streaming available at:
portal.stretchinternet.com/Whittier (http://portal.stretchinternet.com/Whittier)
The classic is being played from Friday, Dec. 29 to Sunday, Dec. 31, with all games tipping at noon Pacific/2 PM Central/3 PM Eastern.
UW River-Falls plays Dickinson on Friday, Dec. 29, and Emmanuel on Saturday, Dec. 30.
Records coming into the weekend--
UW River-Falls, 7-2, 0-0 WIAC
Dickinson, 2-6, 2-3 Centennial
Emmanuel, 4-5, 1-1 GNAC
Live video streaming available at:
portal.stretchinternet.com/Whittier (http://portal.stretchinternet.com/Whittier)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
Sad, tragic news in BlueDevil country:
http://kstp.com/news/former-wisconsin-stout-athlete-killed-costa-rica-plane-crash/4726616/?cat=1
http://kstp.com/news/former-wisconsin-stout-athlete-killed-costa-rica-plane-crash/4726616/?cat=1
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: cubs on January 01, 2018, 06:22:47 PM
Post by: cubs on January 01, 2018, 06:22:47 PM
Some sad news for those who are long-time WIAC fans.....
http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Former-Wisconsin-Stout-standout-killed-in-Costa-Rica-crash-467574833.html
My thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of Geissler, Coach Thomas, and the rest of the Stout women's basketball program.
http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Former-Wisconsin-Stout-standout-killed-in-Costa-Rica-crash-467574833.html
My thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of Geissler, Coach Thomas, and the rest of the Stout women's basketball program.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
Post by: BDB on January 01, 2018, 08:31:59 PM
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2018/1/1/womens-basketball-former-blue-devil-had-a-zest-for-life-and-adventure.aspx
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 01, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 01, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
I echo the thoughts of cubs and BDB... My condolences...
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: bulk19 on January 01, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
Post by: bulk19 on January 01, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
Here's another story with the info that cubs and BDB provided, but with an update, a touching statement/tribute from her family, including some words of wisdom that Amanda leaves us with:
http://www.wqow.com/story/37170660/2018/01/01/thorp-native-killed-in-costa-rica-plane-crash
http://www.wqow.com/story/37170660/2018/01/01/thorp-native-killed-in-costa-rica-plane-crash
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on January 06, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
Post by: JMM on January 06, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
Going to be a fantastic year in WIAC Woman's Basketball. Only 2 games in and lots of great games. RF seems to be off and running with its' win over WW. RF may be the team to beat. UWO may be showing its' easy, pre-conference schedule. While good for the polls; not good for the tough WIAC standings UWO now is 0-2 in the WIAC. Stout could hand UWO its' 3rd loss next Weds. The long bus ride and Mark T's knack for ruining the day for teams desperately needing a win, could play in here. See that Grasskamp played for 1 minute for EC. If she is heading back to the lineup (even part-time) it is a big plus to the Blugolds who are learning to win without her talent. Stayed tuned - it will be a fantastic year in WIAC Woman's Basketball.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2018, 08:35:38 PM
Post by: JMM on February 06, 2018, 08:35:38 PM
Crunch time in the WIAC. Here's what I think:
LAX - ends up going 2-2. Biggest game may be EC but losses close one. Will beat either OSH or WW (not both) and also beats Stout
Stout ends up going 0-4. Competative but not enough.
OSH ends up going 3-4. Will lose to either WW or LAX (but not both) wins the rest.
PLT ends up going 0-4. Gives EC some headaches but does not get win.
RF ends up going 2-2. Beats PLT and STout but loses to WW and EC
ST Point ends up going 2-2 beats PLT and Stout. Gives EC and WW nightmares but do not beat either.
WW ends up going 3-4. Will drop one to either OSH or LAX. Wins the rest.
EC ends up 4-0. Beats LAX, RF, PLT and ST Point. St Point or LAX could rain on the EC parade.
EC and WW take top seeds.
LAX - ends up going 2-2. Biggest game may be EC but losses close one. Will beat either OSH or WW (not both) and also beats Stout
Stout ends up going 0-4. Competative but not enough.
OSH ends up going 3-4. Will lose to either WW or LAX (but not both) wins the rest.
PLT ends up going 0-4. Gives EC some headaches but does not get win.
RF ends up going 2-2. Beats PLT and STout but loses to WW and EC
ST Point ends up going 2-2 beats PLT and Stout. Gives EC and WW nightmares but do not beat either.
WW ends up going 3-4. Will drop one to either OSH or LAX. Wins the rest.
EC ends up 4-0. Beats LAX, RF, PLT and ST Point. St Point or LAX could rain on the EC parade.
EC and WW take top seeds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:40:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 02:40:28 PM
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2018, 02:43:39 PM
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2018, 02:43:39 PM
Central
1 UW-Whitewater 18-3 18-3
2 Illinois Wesleyan 18-2 18-2
3 Chicago 18-2 18-2
4 Wisconsin Lutheran 18-2 19-2
5 Washington U. 15-5 15-5
6 UW-Eau Claire 15-6 15-6
7 UW-Oshkosh 16-3 17-3
8 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-4 17-4
9 Carthage 15-6 15-6
1 UW-Whitewater 18-3 18-3
2 Illinois Wesleyan 18-2 18-2
3 Chicago 18-2 18-2
4 Wisconsin Lutheran 18-2 19-2
5 Washington U. 15-5 15-5
6 UW-Eau Claire 15-6 15-6
7 UW-Oshkosh 16-3 17-3
8 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-4 17-4
9 Carthage 15-6 15-6
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
Looks like the NCAA committee folks did their homework when it came to the central region. Eau Claire should be ranked above Oshkosh in the region. Seems apparent the committee looked at the Oshkosh pre-WIAC conference strengnth of schedule. Hooray for those who checked out the Oshkosh SOS. The titans still are a good team but maybe not as good as their won/loss record would lead somebody to believe. :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 03:10:42 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 07, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
Looks like the NCAA committee folks did their homework when it came to the central region. Eau Claire should be ranked above Oshkosh in the region. Seems apparent the committee looked at the Oshkosh pre-WIAC conference strengnth of schedule. Hooray for those who checked out the Oshkosh SOS. The titans still are an good team but maybe not as good as their won/loss record would lead somebody to believe. :) :) :) :) :)
I am quite confident all information was used, mainly in primary beside vRRO, to come to the decision.
The committees do know what they are doing and for the most part do a pretty good job.
This is just a glimpse at what the committees are thinking. Next week is more of the guide since all data will be available.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2018, 03:29:51 PM
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2018, 03:29:51 PM
Thanks for info Dave. Keep up the good work. Keep sane over the next few weeks. Will you talk regional rankings on tomorrows show?
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: JMM on February 07, 2018, 03:29:51 PM
Thanks for info Dave. Keep up the good work. Keep sane over the next few weeks. Will you talk regional rankings on tomorrows show?
Yep - we will chat regional rankings tomorrow on the show. Not sure how in-depth. We have tried live shows on Wednesdays, but they are too difficult and not watched a lot. However, we will find time to dive in for sure.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
Post by: JMM on February 07, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
Hats off to UWLAX who simply crushed EC tonight in the WIAC Women. LAX was just awesome.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 11, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
If you are a big fan of free throws you needed to be sitting in Williams Center last night. In a tightly officiated game between the WARHAWKS and Falcons 59 fouls were whistled. The two teams combined to shoot 73 free throws. At one point in the second half 24 consecutive points had been scored from the charity stripe. It was an interesting contrast because you had two teams that were trying to push the ball but the game was being so tightly called it was like they were spinning their wheels. Fans were screaming and with the majority of the calls favoring the WARHAWKS the Falcon faithful were particularly upset. The WARHAWKS avenged an earlier defeat going 40 of 50 from the free throw line and pulling out a 83-72 win. With a win in either of the last two games (Platteville, @La Crosse) the WARHAWKS would clinch sole possession of the regular season championship.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
Post by: JMM on February 11, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
THANKS for the post. D# hoops got to see this one. Looks like WW is headed for another WIAC conference title. Also looks like the refs took charge of the game w WW and UWRF.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2018, 11:10:37 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 14, 2018, 11:10:37 AM
UW-WHITEWATER'S senior guard Brooke Trewyn was selected to this week's D3 National Team of the Week for her performances against Oshkosh and River Falls. Trewyn is only the second WIAC player named to the team this season. Platteville's Allison Prestegaard was previously named on the Week 5 team.
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2018/2/13/womens-basketball-trewyn-selected-to-national-team-of-the-week.aspx?path=wbball
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2018/2/13/womens-basketball-trewyn-selected-to-national-team-of-the-week.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 15, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
Post by: JMM on February 15, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
Can the WIAC Women get more than 1 team in the tournament?
Second NCAA Regional Rankings for the Central
1 Wisconsin-Whitewater 21-3 - SOS .590
2 Illinois Wesleyan 20-3
3 Chicago 20-2
4 Wisconsin Lutheran 21-2
5 Washington U. 16-6
6 Wheaton (Illinois) 20-4
7 Wisconsin-Eau Claire 17-7 SOS .591
8 Wisconsin-Oshkosh 18-5 SOS .533
9 Wisconsin-La Crosse 16-8 SOS .585
Looks like a tough go for 2 teams to get into the NCAA tournament. UWEC may have the best chance "if" they can beat UWSP on Saturday, win 1 game in the WIAC tournament and if UWW beats UWLAX on this Saturday.
UWLAX would need to beat UWW this Saturday to stay in contention or win the tournament, long shot. A win by UWLAX on Saturday would really help their cause.
With the loss last night by UWOSH, and its' easy schedule (SOS of .533 - vs the 3 other WIAC teams). They would need to win the tournament, possible, but a long shot. UWOSH could likely be on the road for their last 2 tournament games. Just don't see them beating UWW in the final at Whitewater. At this juncture, UWOSH with only 5 losses, possibly would not get on the table for discussion into the NCAA tournament.
Would be nice to see 2 teams from the WIAC. It is crunch time and when all is said and done, UWW is most likely to get the automatic bid. UWEC will has a better than fair chance if they win their next two games and UWW beats UWLAX on Saturday. Stay tuned.
Second NCAA Regional Rankings for the Central
1 Wisconsin-Whitewater 21-3 - SOS .590
2 Illinois Wesleyan 20-3
3 Chicago 20-2
4 Wisconsin Lutheran 21-2
5 Washington U. 16-6
6 Wheaton (Illinois) 20-4
7 Wisconsin-Eau Claire 17-7 SOS .591
8 Wisconsin-Oshkosh 18-5 SOS .533
9 Wisconsin-La Crosse 16-8 SOS .585
Looks like a tough go for 2 teams to get into the NCAA tournament. UWEC may have the best chance "if" they can beat UWSP on Saturday, win 1 game in the WIAC tournament and if UWW beats UWLAX on this Saturday.
UWLAX would need to beat UWW this Saturday to stay in contention or win the tournament, long shot. A win by UWLAX on Saturday would really help their cause.
With the loss last night by UWOSH, and its' easy schedule (SOS of .533 - vs the 3 other WIAC teams). They would need to win the tournament, possible, but a long shot. UWOSH could likely be on the road for their last 2 tournament games. Just don't see them beating UWW in the final at Whitewater. At this juncture, UWOSH with only 5 losses, possibly would not get on the table for discussion into the NCAA tournament.
Would be nice to see 2 teams from the WIAC. It is crunch time and when all is said and done, UWW is most likely to get the automatic bid. UWEC will has a better than fair chance if they win their next two games and UWW beats UWLAX on Saturday. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Post by: JMM on February 20, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Hats off to Blugolds who found a way to comeback and win against UWSP. Life has not been easy for EC lately. Will be fun to watch/see the UWLAX and UWOSH game. I'm leaning toward UWOSH. It is a 3 hour bus ride for the Titans. Blugolds at UWW is a loonnng... shot for EC. They will need to play their best game of the year and end their newly found habit of falling way behind in the first quarter. It is over a 3 hour ride for the Blugolds.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:00:45 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 03:00:45 PM
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third
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Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2018, 12:26:59 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2018, 12:26:59 AM
WARHAWKS start fast, absorb some EC runs and pull out 74-68 win.
Oshkosh eliminates La Crosse.
Oshkosh/WARHAWKS Saturday 3pm.
Oshkosh eliminates La Crosse.
Oshkosh/WARHAWKS Saturday 3pm.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 24, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
WARHAWKS hold court and beat Oshkosh 68-65. Expecting to host a regional this coming weekend.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 26, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
Post by: gbpuckfan on February 26, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
UW-Whitewater (24-3) win the WIAC title, and will host UW-Superior (23-4), which won the Upper Midwest Athletic Conference
UWO did not get in.
UWO did not get in.
Title: Re: WIAC
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
Post by: JMM on February 26, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
Looking for the Hawks to make a good run. Really like their seed and opponents. Tighten up that defense Whitewater, scare a few unsuspecting teams! Assuming EC had a few too many losses (long bus rides into Iowa, for sure) and OSH had at least 7-8 too easy games before start of conference. It was a fun year in the WIAC.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 03, 2018, 12:04:44 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 03, 2018, 12:04:44 AM
Superior not much of a challenge. WARHAWKS win by 30+.
Gustavos beats Rose Homan.
Gustavos beats Rose Homan.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WaHooWa on April 02, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
Post by: WaHooWa on April 02, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2018/4/2/search-narrowed-to-three-for-head-womens-basketball-coach.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WaHooWa on April 10, 2018, 05:45:34 PM
Post by: WaHooWa on April 10, 2018, 05:45:34 PM
Stout announces new Head Coach -- not much coaching experience, last few years as DOBO at UWGB and Univ of Illinois. Eau Claire North Alumni.
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2018/4/9/hannah-quilling-iverson-to-lead-womens-basketball-program.aspx
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/news/2018/4/9/hannah-quilling-iverson-to-lead-womens-basketball-program.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WaHooWa on June 19, 2018, 02:50:29 PM
Post by: WaHooWa on June 19, 2018, 02:50:29 PM
Cindy Holbrook out at UWRF as Head Coach -- moving to UWRF admissions office.
Interim tag for 18-19 given to Asst Coach Paul Richie.
Interim tag for 18-19 given to Asst Coach Paul Richie.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WaHooWa on June 21, 2018, 12:08:12 PM
Post by: WaHooWa on June 21, 2018, 12:08:12 PM
http://uwrfsports.com/news/2018/6/21/holbrook-steps-down-from-roll-as-head-womens-basketball-coach-richie-name-interim-coach.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 21, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on June 21, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
She was always friendly with those of us at the scorer's table and I wish her the best of luck in her new role at the university.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 21, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
Post by: Just Bill on June 21, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: WaHooWa on June 21, 2018, 12:08:12 PM
http://uwrfsports.com/news/2018/6/21/holbrook-steps-down-from-roll-as-head-womens-basketball-coach-richie-name-interim-coach.aspx
New link. They had a little spelling issue. http://www.uwrfsports.com/news/2018/6/21/holbrook-steps-down-from-role-as-head-womens-basketball-coach-richie-named-interim-coach.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WaHooWa on October 30, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
Post by: WaHooWa on October 30, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
Looking at UWRF coaching staff -- Interim HC Paul Richie no longer listed -- only coach listed is Derek Staley (previously on staff as Asst / Recruiting Coordinator)
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 30, 2018, 03:11:03 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 30, 2018, 03:11:03 PM
Quote from: WaHooWa on October 30, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
Looking at UWRF coaching staff -- Interim HC Paul Richie no longer listed -- only coach listed is Derek Staley (previously on staff as Asst / Recruiting Coordinator)
We/I have inquired.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fredfalcon on November 12, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
Post by: fredfalcon on November 12, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
The scheduled coach resigned on the first day of practice this fall. I do not know the reason . The current coach was his assistant.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2018, 01:27:07 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2018, 01:27:07 PM
Yep - forgot to update. He resigned actually the 16th I believe I was told.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JMM on November 13, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
Post by: JMM on November 13, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
taking in the Ole vs Stout game. Fair size crowd. The Mark Thomas era is history. the lights are out in the field house. the spots are roving every which way...The team and new Coach Iverson is introduced after the stout starters. We are in take off...
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JMM on November 13, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
Post by: JMM on November 13, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
stout 29 - 24 at half. #11 for Stout looks like Magic ....Has the touch and total view of the court..Looks like Stout 'old timers' are adjusting to the new positions and offense. Predict final of Stout 63 to the Ole's55...we shall see.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JMM on November 21, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
Post by: JMM on November 21, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
Well, it's November 2018 and Stout Woman are 4 and 0. This is a good basketball team (Mark Who?). Have also seen Eau Claire and Oshkosh play twice. Whether due to injury or the guard play on EC being to hurried and wreckless with the ball, EC is already waiting for next year. I know they're 3 and 0 but this team is always in desperation mode. OshKosh looked pretty good. Wonder about their depth but they will be a contender. There is a very nice flow to the Stout game. They need to make the "bunnies" underneath. That said, Stout is back in the hunt for NCAA playoff and the WIAC championship. Stout could have 9 or 10 wins before WIAC play starts.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2018, 08:35:27 PM
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2018, 08:35:27 PM
stout goes to 5-0. Seriously, this team can easily be 11=0 going into WIAC play. Talent and depth. They just need to stay the course...Play and not think.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
Post by: JMM on November 25, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
Stout Goes to 6-0. 11-0 is looking better and better. Of course one game at a time.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 06:19:24 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2019, 06:19:24 PM
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=l4zv4/rac44cfsabpyqn6a.jpg)
The grind of conference play is in full gear. Nothing beats a team up or reveals how good one is like the grind of conference play.
Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we take a look at the grind and how teams are surviving, surprising, and even impressing as the holidays and the break quickly become a distant memory in the rear view mirror.
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:52:16 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:52:16 PM
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:56:35 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 02:56:35 PM
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:04:46 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:04:46 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 23, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 23, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
[Great games yesterday! Stouts loses to WWO a 7 point lead in the last 4 minutes by 3! Stout missed a desperation shot at end of game! UWL,lead most of the 4th quarter with a great rally to lose by 2 on a layup by UWW with 4 seconds left! I think UWL still gets in with an at large,with a better record than WW!IFWW beats UWO tomorrow they will be out,as UWO would get at large bid. The WIAC dserves 2 teams in the dance!!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 25, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 25, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
Will be interesting to see what the committee decides today. 21-6 and a 3-pt WIAC Final loss wasn't good enough last year for UWO, will 18-9 and a 29-pt WIAC Final loss look more impressive for UWW this year? They could definitely do some damage if they get the nod.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 26, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 26, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
NO! UWW gets the Bid over UWL! I think UWL was the better team this year. Reputation and a strong finish put UWW IN!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2019, 04:04:08 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2019, 04:04:08 PM
Or, regional rankings, since they were 4th in the region.
What if UWW had lost twice to UWO in the regular season, and finished 17-11 with an even better SOS? 11-loss at large bid?
We'll never know.
Time to get the pronunciations down for the Fighting Sagehens.
What if UWW had lost twice to UWO in the regular season, and finished 17-11 with an even better SOS? 11-loss at large bid?
We'll never know.
Time to get the pronunciations down for the Fighting Sagehens.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
UWL was not fourth in the region in the final rankings. Decisions aren't made on Week 3 rankings. Too much changes between Week 3 and the end: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-final
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 27, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 27, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
I understand ranking! thank you for your answer! I just like UWL more as a chance to get an overachieving team a chance IN. I think UWW lost to many games and underperformed! Also,they were blown out in last game against UWO!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2019, 01:51:29 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2019, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 27, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
I understand ranking! thank you for your answer! I just like UWL more as a chance to get an overachieving team a chance IN. I think UWW lost to many games and underperformed! Also,they were blown out in last game against UWO!
Opinions about overachieving teams and underachieving teams is not something committees can discuss in any scenario. It is all opinion based and we left the "old boys club" and "eye test" back a few decades ago.
I understand your point ... but the information the committees are working with doesn't agree.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
All-Conference Awards:
http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2019/2/27/uw-eau-claires-hoeppner-chosen-womens-basketball-player-of-the-year-uw-oshkoshs-fischer-named-coach-of-the-year.aspx
http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2019/2/27/uw-eau-claires-hoeppner-chosen-womens-basketball-player-of-the-year-uw-oshkoshs-fischer-named-coach-of-the-year.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 27, 2019, 09:53:46 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 27, 2019, 09:53:46 PM
Seems like UWO players did not get enough credit for a great season! I think they should have had one more starter selected for first team,excluding Pustina. She is a great leader, and student,. She deserves her great honor as co Scholar,but lacks productivity in her statistic. I like the 2 choices for UWP. They were the heart of an improved team! They were not ignored despite finishing in 5th place.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 02, 2019, 12:23:23 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 02, 2019, 12:23:23 PM
Nice crowd at UWO almost 700! They play great defense! Oshkosh,put 1000 in the stands tonight! Show love for a good team!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 08:25:33 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 08:25:33 AM
Nice win UWO! Defense wins championship! Very poor crowd, less than 500. I would die for a regional game at UWP! Oshkosh show some love for a great team!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 08:30:13 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 08:30:13 AM
I see UWW got buried on night one of tournament. DAH tournament committee!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
Half the teams lose in every night of the tournament!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 09:18:00 PM
You are right Mr. Coleman! My comment is part of my previous assertion that UWL was the better team then UWW! I think UWW getting buried just made my previous point be more accurate! Thank you for all the work on this site!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2019, 09:39:41 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2019, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 09:18:00 PM
You are right Mr. Coleman! My comment is part of my previous assertion that UWL was the better team then UWW! I think UWW getting buried just made my previous point be more accurate! Thank you for all the work on this site!
Lots of teams would get buried against Wash U at Wash U. If you go back to before you dropped off the board for 12 years, that would still be true.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 03, 2019, 09:57:22 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 03, 2019, 09:57:22 PM
WARHAWKS: 2
Eagles: 1
I think that sums it up.
Eagles: 1
I think that sums it up.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 10:09:58 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 03, 2019, 10:09:58 PM
I lived in Eauclaire for 5 years and remember several years of WU against UWEC ! Lisa Stone vs WU Hall of fame coach! I learned to love d3 women's hoops!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 08, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 08, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
I am really starting to lose any appreciation for exclamation points that I may have ever had.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 08, 2019, 11:23:01 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 08, 2019, 11:23:01 PM
If I use too many Sorry. Watched about half of UWO women tonight. Tough loss. The Titans shot poorly from the 3 line. They also have a hard time playing up tempo to a team like Wartburg! Great season and better luck next time. The Titan style is not made to play from behind. They do not make shots without a lot of passing and killing the clock on offense. However,they lost to a gresat opponent that could beat St Thomas tomorrow!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 11, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 11, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
I was surprised by how much the lady Tommies buried Wartburg! I think they are the favorites in Salem VA!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2019, 12:02:07 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2019, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 11, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
I was surprised by how much the lady Tommies buried Wartburg! I think they are the favorites in Salem VA!
I don't know about that. Thomas More is maybe the best DIII women's basketball teams that I've ever seen. What they did to us, particularly in the first half, was insane.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2019, 12:02:07 PMQuote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 11, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
I was surprised by how much the lady Tommies buried Wartburg! I think they are the favorites in Salem VA!
I don't know about that. Thomas More is maybe the best DIII women's basketball teams that I've ever seen. What they did to us, particularly in the first half, was insane.
Yeah ... to be blunt, Thomas More is the heavy favorite in Salem. Of course, anyone can be beat ... but they are insanely good and one of the most battle tested teams in the country.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 11, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 11, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2019, 03:46:03 PMQuote from: badgerwarhawk on March 11, 2019, 12:02:07 PMQuote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 11, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
I was surprised by how much the lady Tommies buried Wartburg! I think they are the favorites in Salem VA!
I don't know about that. Thomas More is maybe the best DIII women's basketball teams that I've ever seen. What they did to us, particularly in the first half, was insane.
Yeah ... to be blunt, Thomas More is the heavy favorite in Salem. Of course, anyone can be beat ... but they are insanely good and one of the most battle tested teams in the country.
I only watched the last few minutes of the Thomas More-Wash U game but it reminded me of watching UMHB in the football playoffs. The size and strength gap, even compared to a really excellent WUSTL program, was just nuts. I don't know how that Temple kid isn't in Division I.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 12, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 12, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
TO CAZ And Badger: You both make good points! I still favor St Thomas. I realize how good TM is! Their one blemish was forfeiting a championship a few years ago! I was at TM for football vs UWP last year! They were great hoasts and great people!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 12, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
TO CAZ And Badger: You both make good points! I still favor St Thomas. I realize how good TM is! Their one blemish was forfeiting a championship a few years ago! I was at TM for football vs UWP last year! They were great hoasts and great people!
How does vacating the championship a few years ago have any bearing on whether they are good this year? That vacation of a season was based on people not paying attention or making sure their assistants to a player was proper. It was certainly stupid, but it has nothing to do with with this team whatsoever. In actuality, it hasn't been discussed or brought up once this season ... until you did.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
I'm not sure it makes sense to try to engage with this guy.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2019, 08:19:27 PM
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2019, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
I'm not sure it makes sense to try to engage with this guy.
Agreed, which is why I've never jumped in no matter how outrageous he got. My sense is that he is not an ill-meaning troll; just an off-the-wall I'm-always-right oblivious fanatic. (Fan after all does derive from fanatic.)
Just one piece of evidence: after apologizing to Voice of the Titans for overuse of exclamations points (and toning it down for a single post), he is now just as prone as ever to using exclamation points for EVERY sentence.
The guy(?) may adapt eventually (I did ;)), but I suspect he'll just disappear before learning the norms of D3boards civility.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 14, 2019, 06:58:04 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 14, 2019, 06:58:04 PM
If you want to get personal you guys should sent private messages! public name This includes employees of this site! God Bless You All!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 14, 2019, 07:01:51 PM
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 14, 2019, 07:01:51 PM
Correction Public name calling.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2019, 10:44:17 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2019, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: UWPSUPERFAN77 on March 14, 2019, 07:01:51 PM
Correction Public name calling.
I don't know what you expect. You have a reputation. That will take more than a couple of weeks to overcome.
Aside from that Bowdin ended St Thomas's run and Thomas More won handily so it's Thomas More/Bowdin for the championship. I still like Thomas More a whole lot.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: palum on June 07, 2019, 12:57:21 PM
Post by: palum on June 07, 2019, 12:57:21 PM
Platteville's Megan Wilson steps away from coaching to become Associate Director of Athletics at UWP.
https://www.letsgopioneers.com/general/2018-19/releases/20190530f2pqde
https://www.letsgopioneers.com/general/2018-19/releases/20190530f2pqde
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: palum on August 07, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: palum on August 07, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
UW-PLATTEVILLE names Kelly McNiff an assistant at UW Oshkosh as it's new Womens Basketball coach
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fredfalcon on November 03, 2019, 06:03:23 PM
Post by: fredfalcon on November 03, 2019, 06:03:23 PM
I think Blake DuDonis, new RF coach, will turn our program around in a hurry. Not this year because he did not get hired soon enuf to recruit for the current team. But starting next season, there will be a noticeable difference. He has lots of connections. His wife is assistant bb coach at Minnesota, for starters. He was a talent evaluator for the WNBA prior to taking the Falcon job.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: palum on November 19, 2019, 11:14:55 PM
Post by: palum on November 19, 2019, 11:14:55 PM
Platteville beats Wartburg, they start the season 5-0 with wins over two preseason ranked teams (Chicago and Wartburg).
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on November 20, 2019, 12:32:50 AM
Post by: Jester1390 on November 20, 2019, 12:32:50 AM
I have been to wartburg to watch opening round last year neat place to watch a game.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2019, 06:30:12 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 24, 2019, 06:30:12 PM
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Each season there are a few teams that get out to starts that makes everyone turn their heads. There are always a few "wait, what?!" "They beat who?!" And even a, "are they seriously (say record)?!"
Yes, they are. And thus we should talk to them.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), hear from a few coaches who have their teams out to blazing starts. UW-Platteville women are undefeated with wins over No. 18 Chicago and No. 4 Wartburg. William Peace women have equaled their win total from last season and defeated No. 15 Christopher Newport. And Oberlin men started undefeated and off to one of the program's best starts.
Hear from each of their coaches on what is working so well early in the season and if they can continue to surprise and steal headlines the rest of the season.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott return with a look at where the Top 25 now sits with the first in-season poll coming up on Monday. Find out who Bob, Ryan, and Dave select for their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable selections are ahead of the Week 1 poll.
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- Grahm Smith, William Peace women's coach
- Isaiah Cavaco, Oberlin men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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Each season there are a few teams that get out to starts that makes everyone turn their heads. There are always a few "wait, what?!" "They beat who?!" And even a, "are they seriously (say record)?!"
Yes, they are. And thus we should talk to them.
On Sunday's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), hear from a few coaches who have their teams out to blazing starts. UW-Platteville women are undefeated with wins over No. 18 Chicago and No. 4 Wartburg. William Peace women have equaled their win total from last season and defeated No. 15 Christopher Newport. And Oberlin men started undefeated and off to one of the program's best starts.
Hear from each of their coaches on what is working so well early in the season and if they can continue to surprise and steal headlines the rest of the season.
Plus, Bob Quillman and Ryan Scott return with a look at where the Top 25 now sits with the first in-season poll coming up on Monday. Find out who Bob, Ryan, and Dave select for their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable selections are ahead of the Week 1 poll.
Hoopsville is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET here: www.d3hoopsville.com or http://bit.ly/34fV7IZ.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Kelly McNiff, UW-Platteville women's coach
- Grahm Smith, William Peace women's coach
- Isaiah Cavaco, Oberlin men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 27, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
WARHAWKS establish a new team single game scoring record in their 111-61 win over Elmhurst.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2020, 03:42:33 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 12, 2020, 03:42:33 PM
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If you are a Top 25 team, or a conference leader, every team now thinks you can be beaten. Each night in Division III basketball we are seeing top teams take losses because even the best can't avoid even an okay team knocking them off.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we continue to talk about what seems like nightly upsets in DIII. Whether it's undefeateds who are no more or unexpected squads rising to the top of conference races. There just isn't any "normal" nights in the game anymore.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE in the following ways:
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- Show page: http://bit.ly/2R89qdy (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/jan12)
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Demetrius Poles, Rowan women's coach
- Karen Middleton, No. 9 UW-Lacrosse women's coach
- Jeff Brown, No. 3 Middlebury men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
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If you are a Top 25 team, or a conference leader, every team now thinks you can be beaten. Each night in Division III basketball we are seeing top teams take losses because even the best can't avoid even an okay team knocking them off.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we continue to talk about what seems like nightly upsets in DIII. Whether it's undefeateds who are no more or unexpected squads rising to the top of conference races. There just isn't any "normal" nights in the game anymore.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2R89qdy (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/jan12)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3hoops.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Demetrius Poles, Rowan women's coach
- Karen Middleton, No. 9 UW-Lacrosse women's coach
- Jeff Brown, No. 3 Middlebury men's coach
- Bob Quillman & Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2020, 06:10:14 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2020, 06:10:14 PM
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When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/38E7YXi (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/jan26)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Cameron Hill, No. 13 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Keri Carollo, No. 6 UW-Whitewater women's coach
- Damien Strahorn, No. 5 Colby men's coach
- Eliott Steinmetz, Yeshiva men's coach
- Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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When it comes to the game of basketball, we love celebrating not only the student-athletes in Division III, but also those who help carry the game forward sometimes outside of the spotlight.
Sunday on Hoopsville, we celebrate those who have made the game of basketball, especially at DIII, so great. Coaches who continue to excel in different parts of the country and programs who play for more than just themselves.
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Sunday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/38E7YXi (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/jan26)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Sunday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to dave.mchugh@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Cameron Hill, No. 13 Trinity (Texas) women's coach
- Keri Carollo, No. 6 UW-Whitewater women's coach
- Damien Strahorn, No. 5 Colby men's coach
- Eliott Steinmetz, Yeshiva men's coach
- Ryan Scott, Top 25 Double-Take
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Women's first Regional Rankings released.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
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The first Regional Rankings of the season are out and there are plenty of reactions ... and questions.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, we chat with a few programs who are in those rankings and others who know the best way into the NCAA tournaments is to win their conference. Plus, we find out how a fast break is a solid investment in giving back. And do you really understand the Strength of Schedule math and what is does, and does not, tell the ranking committees?
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/2OQhWxt (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/feb13)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Thursday's show primarily covers the East, Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, and West Regions while also featuring a women's coach in the WBCA Center Court segment. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Steve Lamie, Grove City men's coach
- Lucia Robinson-Griggs, Vassar women's coach
- Tonja Englund, UW-Eau Claire women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Justin Heinzen, No. 10 Loras women's coach
- Matt Snyder, SOS guru
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. We have an initial goal to hit $5,000 by Feb. 16. We are currently at $2,330.20.
To donate, click our PayPal link here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BSRFLPUJQ9MKL&source=url
And thank you for your contributions.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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The first Regional Rankings of the season are out and there are plenty of reactions ... and questions.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, we chat with a few programs who are in those rankings and others who know the best way into the NCAA tournaments is to win their conference. Plus, we find out how a fast break is a solid investment in giving back. And do you really understand the Strength of Schedule math and what is does, and does not, tell the ranking committees?
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 pm ET in the following ways:
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- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Thursday's show primarily covers the East, Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, and West Regions while also featuring a women's coach in the WBCA Center Court segment. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Steve Lamie, Grove City men's coach
- Lucia Robinson-Griggs, Vassar women's coach
- Tonja Englund, UW-Eau Claire women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Justin Heinzen, No. 10 Loras women's coach
- Matt Snyder, SOS guru
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:06:25 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:06:25 PM
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:20:52 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 26, 2020, 02:20:52 PM
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2020, 04:14:54 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2020, 04:14:54 PM
Congrats to UWO on making the Sweet 16 for the 3rd time in 4 years! Quite a run to end the season!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
Good luck
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 10, 2020, 10:00:53 AM
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 10, 2020, 10:00:53 AM
5pm game Friday - Loras vs UWO - quick comparison:
These two played each other in the 2nd game of this season back in November - a Loras win 88-83 in OT @ Loras
These two played each other in the 2nd game of this season back in November - a Loras win 88-83 in OT @ Loras
| Offense | % 2pt | % 3pt | % FT |
| Loras | 51.1 | 31.8 | 75.3 |
| UWO | 48.6 | 32.9 | 70.8 |
| ------ | |||
| Defense | % 2pt | % 3pt | |
| Loras | 47.1 | 32.1 | |
| UWO | 42.5 | 29.3 | |
| ------ | |||
| Rebounding | Team | Opp | Margin |
| Loras | 34.3 | 30.2 | 4.1 |
| UWO | 34.9 | 34.4 | 0.5 |
| ------ | |||
| Scoring | Team | Opp | Margin |
| Loras | 79.1 | 63.1 | 16 |
| UWO | 67.5 | 57.8 | 9.7 |
| ------ | |||
| 3 point shooting | Made/game | ||
| Loras | 6.8 | ||
| UWO | 7.3 | ||
| ------ | |||
| Ball Control | Stl/game | TO/Game | OppTO/Game |
| Loras | 14.2 | 17 | 24.3 |
| UWO | 7.4 | 11.9 | 14.4 |
| ------ | |||
| Ball Control | Asst/game | A/TO | Blks/game |
| Loras | 13.6 | 0.8 | 3 |
| UWO | 12.7 | 1.07 | 3 |
| ------ | |||
| vRRO | In-Div SOS | Massey Predicts | |
| Loras | 6 - 2 | 0.556 | 70 |
| UWO | 4 - 7 | 0.578 | 64 |
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2020, 05:28:39 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2020, 05:28:39 PM
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And with that, the 2019-20 seasons have come to a sudden end.
What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.
Tonight on Hoopsville, we try and make sense of one of the stranger finishes in history for NCAA events. What started with isolated closings of gyms for games ends a week later in all games being called off through the rest of the academic year.
We will chat with those who were preparing for games on Friday and hear their reactions to the seasons coming to a close so quickly.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Michelle Ferenze, No. 10 Whitman women's coach
- John Krikorian, Christopher Newport men's coach
- Cheri Harrer, No. 9 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/3b1XeU3 (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/mar12)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
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- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. The goal is to raise $7,500. We are approximately at $4,600 at the time of this posting.
To donate, click our PayPal link here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BSRFLPUJQ9MKL&source=url
And thank you for your contributions.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
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We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And with that, the 2019-20 seasons have come to a sudden end.
What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.
Tonight on Hoopsville, we try and make sense of one of the stranger finishes in history for NCAA events. What started with isolated closings of gyms for games ends a week later in all games being called off through the rest of the academic year.
We will chat with those who were preparing for games on Friday and hear their reactions to the seasons coming to a close so quickly.
Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Michelle Ferenze, No. 10 Whitman women's coach
- John Krikorian, Christopher Newport men's coach
- Cheri Harrer, No. 9 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) is presented by D3hoops.com and airs from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can watch Thursday's show LIVE starting at 7:00 p.m. ET in the following ways:
- Main page: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville
- Show page: http://bit.ly/3b1XeU3 (or www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2019-20/mar12)
- Facebook Live Simulcast: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
- YouTube Simulcast: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
- Team1 Sports: www.team1sports.com/Hoopsville/
- Team1 Sports app (https://team1sports.com/) (Android TV, Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku) - you will either find it under the "live" section or search for the Hoopsville channel
Monday's show primarily covers the Atlantic, Central, South, and Northeast Regions. All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline
All men's coaches appear in the NABC Coach's Corner. And all guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions about Division III basketball, feel free to send them and we will answer them on a the show. Email them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options to the right.
Please also consider helping us out. We are accepting donations to the show - which many of you have asked about. The goal is to raise $7,500. We are approximately at $4,600 at the time of this posting.
To donate, click our PayPal link here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BSRFLPUJQ9MKL&source=url
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 11:04:59 PM
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 11:04:59 PM
It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month. That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.
Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning. Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53. Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month. Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!
I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4. I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done. Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.
Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain. It primarily affects girls (1 in every 10,000 girls develop Rett). It strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder. It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.
In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding. The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again. Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.
Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off. Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review. And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.
The full court press on Rett is paying off. You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page: https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020
Thanks for your time and consideration, and hopefully there will be basketball to play and broadcast at the start of 2021!
Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning. Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53. Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month. Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!
I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4. I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done. Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.
Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain. It primarily affects girls (1 in every 10,000 girls develop Rett). It strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder. It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.
In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding. The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again. Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.
Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off. Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review. And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.
The full court press on Rett is paying off. You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page: https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020
Thanks for your time and consideration, and hopefully there will be basketball to play and broadcast at the start of 2021!
Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 02, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 02, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
Brad Fischer was on WSCO this morning. Some note worthy highlights. Oshkosh has four seniors on it's roster. Only one, Karsyn Rueth will not return next season. That means 2020 WIAC player of the year and 3rd team D3Hoops All American, Leah Porath will return in 21-22 along with 2020 WIAC honorable mention Nikki Arneson. It sounds like both are pursuing double majors. Pat Juckem told him to treat this season like a foreign trip and what you can gain from this season is great. He also said Juckem at Wash U doesn't have any games on the schedule right now. Fischer said the WIAC is using BinaxNOW for testing which is in the $5-10 range. He said their program dealt with some false positives in October which halted the program for about 8 days. He said the conference will not name a regular season champion.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MNEagle on February 25, 2021, 02:47:25 PM
Post by: MNEagle on February 25, 2021, 02:47:25 PM
Last week of the abbreviated regular season and, in Wednesday night's cross-over games, the East swept the West. Tomorrow night should be interesting to see if any of the West teams can reverse that trend heading into next Monday's first round WIAC tourney games.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2021, 06:05:28 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 09, 2021, 06:05:28 PM
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For two programs this week, the number 25 is probably considered lucky. For many, it represents the bottom of a Top 25 ranking, but for those in the 25th slot ... it means they are ranked.
St. John Fisher hasn't been ranked since "Desperate Housewives," "Boston Legal," "The Shield," and "Fear Factor" where some of the most popular shows on television. The top movie was "Coach Carter." However, Coach Melissa Kuberka has gotten her Cardinals squad back into the rankings after a terrific start to the 2021-22 season. We talk to her about the team's success and how the rest of the season could shape up.
For DeSales, there were signs they were going to be good during the COVID season. Not all teams are able to duplicate that short-season success, but the Bulldogs are off to an undefeated start. Coach Scott Coval discusses just how good the team is and why we haven't seen the unit at it's very best. Plus, one can still break a backboard in today's game? DeSales found out it is possible.
Plus, Yeshiva is getting plenty of attention now that they have been ranked #1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll the last few weeks. But do you really know the Macabees and their program? We talk to Gary Belsky who wrote an expose on the program for ESPN. It's a must read and a must listen to segment.
And UW-Eau Claire Athletics have big plans for future Blugolds and DIII championships. Introducing the $70 million Sonnetag Center. AD Dan Schumacher discusses the significant way UWEC could shift championships and even regional recruiting by 2024.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9
Guests List:
- #25 St. John Fisher women's coach Melissa Kuberka
- #25 DeSales men's coach Scott Coval
- ESPN Writer Gary Belsky
- UW-Eau Claire Director of Athletics Dan Schumacher
Hoopsville broadcasts from the NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
We also have the podcast now on Tune-In (https://tunein.com/podcasts/Sports--Recreation-Podcasts/Hoopsville-p1153539/) and others coming. We will update them once we have better abilities to do so.
Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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YouTube: www.youtube.com/d3hoopsville
For two programs this week, the number 25 is probably considered lucky. For many, it represents the bottom of a Top 25 ranking, but for those in the 25th slot ... it means they are ranked.
St. John Fisher hasn't been ranked since "Desperate Housewives," "Boston Legal," "The Shield," and "Fear Factor" where some of the most popular shows on television. The top movie was "Coach Carter." However, Coach Melissa Kuberka has gotten her Cardinals squad back into the rankings after a terrific start to the 2021-22 season. We talk to her about the team's success and how the rest of the season could shape up.
For DeSales, there were signs they were going to be good during the COVID season. Not all teams are able to duplicate that short-season success, but the Bulldogs are off to an undefeated start. Coach Scott Coval discusses just how good the team is and why we haven't seen the unit at it's very best. Plus, one can still break a backboard in today's game? DeSales found out it is possible.
Plus, Yeshiva is getting plenty of attention now that they have been ranked #1 in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll the last few weeks. But do you really know the Macabees and their program? We talk to Gary Belsky who wrote an expose on the program for ESPN. It's a must read and a must listen to segment.
And UW-Eau Claire Athletics have big plans for future Blugolds and DIII championships. Introducing the $70 million Sonnetag Center. AD Dan Schumacher discusses the significant way UWEC could shift championships and even regional recruiting by 2024.
You can watch the show LIVE (or on demand) here: https://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/dec9
Guests List:
- #25 St. John Fisher women's coach Melissa Kuberka
- #25 DeSales men's coach Scott Coval
- ESPN Writer Gary Belsky
- UW-Eau Claire Director of Athletics Dan Schumacher
Hoopsville broadcasts from the NABC Studio. All guests are featured on the BlueFrame Technology Hoopsville Hotline.
If you have questions, ideas, or want to interact with the show, feel free to send them to hoopsville@d3sports.com or use any of the social media options available.
If you enjoy the show via the podcasts, choose your favorite avenue to listen and/or subscribe via the the following four avenues (click on the images when necessary):
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
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Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: palum on January 05, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
Post by: palum on January 05, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
The EC-Platteville game at Platteville was been postponed. The road conditions were to risky and the bus turned back.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 06, 2022, 12:06:36 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on January 06, 2022, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: palum on January 05, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
The EC-Platteville game at Platteville was been postponed. The road conditions were to risky and the bus turned back.
Men's game, too? Because that would be the same roads.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 09, 2022, 04:23:39 PM
Post by: Titan Q on January 09, 2022, 04:23:39 PM
My conversation with UW-Oshkosh WBB coach Brad Fischer on leading through the current Omicron surge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHdGBqHDDb0&t=2564s
0:00 Q-cast on the fly
2:00 Pandemic thoughts when practice started this season
3:35 Impact on the UWO WBB program the last 3 seasons
9:00 Reasons for optimism
13:03 Common ground
15:20 Twitter exchange; Covid protocols
23:31 Contagious nature of the variant; outbreak
31:20 Navigating the polarizing nature of the pandemic
38:00 Perspective helps
41:43 Mental health
46:20 Brad's final thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHdGBqHDDb0&t=2564s
0:00 Q-cast on the fly
2:00 Pandemic thoughts when practice started this season
3:35 Impact on the UWO WBB program the last 3 seasons
9:00 Reasons for optimism
13:03 Common ground
15:20 Twitter exchange; Covid protocols
23:31 Contagious nature of the variant; outbreak
31:20 Navigating the polarizing nature of the pandemic
38:00 Perspective helps
41:43 Mental health
46:20 Brad's final thoughts
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2022, 07:41:41 AM
Post by: WUPHF on January 11, 2022, 07:41:41 AM
Coach Fischer seems like a great guy but his understanding of the disease is flawed.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 12, 2022, 01:47:32 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 12, 2022, 01:47:32 PM
First off, Titan Q -- I love your interviews. They're really well done.
Second, I don't know enough about the disease to dissect Coach Fischer's stance on it. But I appreciate how articulately and candidly he explained his thinking and his approach to all of this. I feel for him and all the coaches trying to figure this all out.
Third, I was struck by (and maybe a little jealous of) how often UWO is able to test their players. Maybe that's the case for all schools or true of that part of the country. Here where I live (near Philadelphia) tests are really hard to get, so hard that my children's primary care doctor emailed us proactively to tell us not to ask because there's no capacity. The emergency rooms in my County are also reportedly at or near capacity.
Second, I don't know enough about the disease to dissect Coach Fischer's stance on it. But I appreciate how articulately and candidly he explained his thinking and his approach to all of this. I feel for him and all the coaches trying to figure this all out.
Third, I was struck by (and maybe a little jealous of) how often UWO is able to test their players. Maybe that's the case for all schools or true of that part of the country. Here where I live (near Philadelphia) tests are really hard to get, so hard that my children's primary care doctor emailed us proactively to tell us not to ask because there's no capacity. The emergency rooms in my County are also reportedly at or near capacity.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2022, 03:15:06 PM
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2022, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 12, 2022, 01:47:32 PM
Third, I was struck by (and maybe a little jealous of) how often UWO is able to test their players. Maybe that's the case for all schools or true of that part of the country. Here where I live (near Philadelphia) tests are really hard to get, so hard that my children's primary care doctor emailed us proactively to tell us not to ask because there's no capacity. The emergency rooms in my County are also reportedly at or near capacity.
It is a serious problem. As a society, we are over testing otherwise healthy people and under testing the most vulnerable.
As an aside, for the 3-4 people who knock my karma every time I mention Covid, if it is because you do not want to read about Covid, then fair enough. If it is because you believe I am wrong, message me... Let's talk.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:22:47 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:22:47 PM
Think I'll head over to a Covid discussion board and post clips on officiating of Hope-IWU game
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2022, 03:24:35 PM
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2022, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:22:47 PM
Think I'll head over to a Covid discussion board and post clips on officiating of Hope-IWU game
This would be perfectly fair if our response to Covid was not impacting games...
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 12, 2022, 03:25:39 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 12, 2022, 03:25:39 PM
It's also almost entirely the subject of the interview that we're discussing.
Although watch to the end for Coach Fisher's thoughts on officiating in the Hope-IWU game! :)
Although watch to the end for Coach Fisher's thoughts on officiating in the Hope-IWU game! :)
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
Also good for that board Covid impacts basketball using your logic. Maybe they can be experts on basketball. As it appears we're blessed with Covid experts on this board
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2022, 03:36:57 PM
Post by: WUPHF on January 12, 2022, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
Also good for that board Covid impacts basketball using your logic. Maybe they can be experts on basketball. As it appears we're blessed with Covid experts on this board
I would approach the board differently if I knew it cost you something with every post.
And I did approve of the smiting with my fair enough remark. But if someone does not like the content of my post, I rather talk it out. Obviously that is not you, but no matter.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
Post by: Jester1390 on January 12, 2022, 03:48:14 PM
I just had someone message me that i talk on hcac board. It appears whoever doesn't like me and lol there's a couple. Are also smiting people who talk to me I guess. If you need to smite it's all good. But now it's just the boy who cried wolf. Doesn't mean anything when you smite. I have never ran away from having a discussion. I am guilty of pushing buttons but it is pretty easy to do on here. Just like when I posted about sosa. The first line is a joke making fun of just how the world is out of site out of mind but it was followed up with a serious discussion about what a player felt in her playing. Instead of saying other players who have a reputation for a quick release. The attacks happen. Look if you want to be in a bubble and only hear approval of your viewpoint. Then I am guy just skip over and pretend I don't know anything. The pillow will still be cool when I lay my head down
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WIACer on January 13, 2022, 12:24:21 PM
Post by: WIACer on January 13, 2022, 12:24:21 PM
I would love to know how much money is funded by the govt? To the NCAA, to the UW system. I don't believe each institution has the capability to test all students and afford it. You know it's like, here is some money. In order to have this money make sure you test your athletes, students on campus, faculty and staff. Money Science.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2022, 01:44:57 PM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 13, 2022, 01:44:57 PM
The rapid tests are relatively cheap - I'm not sure about any particular school, but standard in a lot of places is doing the rapid tests for asymptomatic people and only moving to the PCR if they show positive. I also imagine, for state schools, they're going to be able to take advantage of mass orders that the states made months ago.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WIACer on January 14, 2022, 01:25:24 PM
Post by: WIACer on January 14, 2022, 01:25:24 PM
Yes, I agree. However, I'm sure extra funds are not available. I mean in the WIAC. Students are down, budgets are down, means not extra money. This is being funded by the state? Fed? I have heard each institutions receive a lot of money. What's a lot? Million, 500 hundred thousand. If you take the money what's required? Testing? Giving back to students as covid relief? What happens to the extra money. My point is testing is great, but is it science or is the money just too good.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 14, 2022, 02:03:55 PM
Post by: gordonmann on January 14, 2022, 02:03:55 PM
The other policy question is whether college athletes should get priority for testing over other groups of people. If testing supplies are scarce (and they are some places), then where should they be allocated? Should we be using the resources to make sure athletes can take the court safely? As much as I love Division III sports, I'm not sure that's the answer.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:08:30 PM
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:08:30 PM
After several weeks of midday shows, we are back to our regularly scheduled time of 7:00 PM ET - and we are super-sizing the show tonight to make up for not being able to be on air Thursday AND the craziness that has happened in the last week!
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=7bd24/9722xr4mzg4hms67.jpg)
Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.
On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.
Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.
Guests included:
Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=7bd24/9722xr4mzg4hms67.jpg)
Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.
On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.
Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.
Guests included:
- Jenna Cosgrove, Rhode Island women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 2 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Thornhill, Fontbonne men's coach
- James Wallace, LeTourneau men's coach
- Keri Carollo, No. 7 UW Whitewater women's coach
- Anthony Mason, Vassar women's coach
- Top 25 Double-Take Super Sized: Akiva Poppers, Bob Quillman, Mike Rejniak, Ryan Whitnable
Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 11, 2022, 11:38:24 PM
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 11, 2022, 11:38:24 PM
What a finish in Whitewater!!! :o
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 12, 2022, 09:48:26 PM
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 12, 2022, 09:48:26 PM
Hawks move on!!! Beating UW-Zero never gets old.
8-)
Final 4
8-)
Final 4
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2022, 09:53:59 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2022, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on March 12, 2022, 09:48:26 PM
Hawks move on!!! Beating UW-Zero never gets old.
8-)
Final 4
Never ever gets old
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 17, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
Post by: 02 Warhawk on March 17, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
Finals, baby!!!!
8-)
8-)
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: palum on May 31, 2022, 11:33:15 AM
Post by: palum on May 31, 2022, 11:33:15 AM
Platteville Associate Head Coach Marc Heidorf passed away after a long battle with Sarcoma. In addition to Platteville Heidorf had stops at Oshkosh and LaCrosse.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 20, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on October 20, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
UWW will open the season with a scrimmage vs Lakeland Friday 10/21.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on October 29, 2022, 12:49:56 AM
Post by: Riley Zayas on October 29, 2022, 12:49:56 AM
Just getting around to mentioning this, but listened to a bit of the UW-Oshkosh vs Green Bay exhibition on Wednesday...final was 83-51 GB, but UWO led 10-5 early on. For Oshkosh having practiced just 9 times prior to this game, with one of the youngest rosters in recent memory, this was a really decent performance. Said this on Twitter already, but watch out for freshman Sarah Hardwick. 6'0 F/C. She will be really good in the UWO frontcourt this season.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2023, 02:59:44 PM
Post by: cubs on February 27, 2023, 02:59:44 PM
Whitewater hosts Webster while Ohio Wesleyan & Gustavus Adolphus will also square off in Whitewater.
UWO will square off against Washigton & Lee at Ohio Northern while the hosts face Berea...
Eau Claire is matched up with Whitman at the University of Chicago, while the hosts will play Northwestern (Minn.)
Similar to the Men's bracket, Whitewater and UWO are on the same side of the brackets, however they are in different quadrants... Eau Claire finds themselves on the opposite side of the bracket than their WIAC rivals.
UWO will square off against Washigton & Lee at Ohio Northern while the hosts face Berea...
Eau Claire is matched up with Whitman at the University of Chicago, while the hosts will play Northwestern (Minn.)
Similar to the Men's bracket, Whitewater and UWO are on the same side of the brackets, however they are in different quadrants... Eau Claire finds themselves on the opposite side of the bracket than their WIAC rivals.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2023, 03:26:26 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 27, 2023, 03:26:26 PM
Good matchups for everyone in a year when the WIAC was more of a meat grinder than usual.
Quote from: cubs on February 27, 2023, 02:59:44 PM
Whitewater hosts Webster while Ohio Wesleyan & Gustavus Adolphus will also square off in Whitewater.
UWO will square off against Washigton & Lee at Ohio Northern while the hosts face Berea...
Eau Claire is matched up with Whitman at the University of Chicago, while the hosts will play Northwestern (Minn.)
Similar to the Men's bracket, Whitewater and UWO are on the same side of the brackets, however they are in different quadrants... Eau Claire finds themselves on the opposite side of the bracket than their WIAC rivals.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cubs on March 03, 2023, 08:56:44 PM
Post by: cubs on March 03, 2023, 08:56:44 PM
UWO wins by three after hitting a shot late in the game for a one point lead... (They added a pair of FT's with no time left on the clock.)
Eau Claire falls in TRIPLE OT 85-81...
Eau Claire falls in TRIPLE OT 85-81...
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2023, 10:41:07 AM
WARHAWKS get 24 points from Kaci Carollo and 16 from Abi Baumgartner, dominate the second and fourth quarters to beat the Webster Garloks 69-50. Gustavous Adolphus crushed Ohio Wesleyan in the other game. The two winners meet tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cubs on March 04, 2023, 09:55:29 PM
Post by: cubs on March 04, 2023, 09:55:29 PM
Whitewater is just a couple of minutes away from punching their Sweet 16 ticket, while earlier in the day UWO loses to Ohio Northern to end their season....
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2023, 10:14:09 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 05, 2023, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: cubs on March 04, 2023, 09:55:29 PM
Whitewater is just a couple of minutes away from punching their Sweet 16 ticket, while earlier in the day UWO loses to Ohio Northern to end their season....
It got hairy down the stretch but we made just enough free throws to put it away. GO WARHAWKS
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 01, 2023, 01:15:08 AM
Post by: gordonmann on April 01, 2023, 01:15:08 AM
I took a fun trip down memory lane this week in preparation for the rare 1-versus-2 matchup with have in the title game. UW-Eau Claire head coach Tonja Englund was nice enough to help me along the way...
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023-cnu-transy-seventh-heaven
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/women/2023-cnu-transy-seventh-heaven
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on April 01, 2023, 02:08:03 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on April 01, 2023, 02:08:03 PM
Many congratulations to Megan Wilson and her staff on a terrific season. It was a lot of fun to follow. Very cool Megan will return next season to represent Region IX, however not as chair.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WIACer on April 06, 2023, 10:55:54 AM
Post by: WIACer on April 06, 2023, 10:55:54 AM
UWRF hires interim Shelby Lyman as Women's Head Coach. Not sure if a national search but surprising. Wish her the best. I got to see their great facilities last year. They really haven't been a factor over a number of years.
https://uwrfsports.com/news/2023/4/3/lyman-named-permanent-uwrf-womens-basketball-head-coach.aspx
https://uwrfsports.com/news/2023/4/3/lyman-named-permanent-uwrf-womens-basketball-head-coach.aspx
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on November 22, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on November 22, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
Is anyone here? Seems not.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 12, 2023, 07:50:02 PM
Post by: gordonmann on December 12, 2023, 07:50:02 PM
Hopefully this news reached Stout last night when the poll was released but just in case, congrats to the Blue Devils on their first Top 25 appearance since the 2009-10 preseason rankings!
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2023-24/week3
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2023-24/week3
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 13, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 13, 2023, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on November 22, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
Is anyone here? Seems not.
Yeah, not sure why we haven't seen any posters on here this season...I'll do my best to post more frequently here as well.
My WIAC rankings based on what I've seen so far...open to thoughts from others on this.
1. UW-Whitewater
2. UW-Stout
3. UW-Platteville
4. UW-Stevens Point
5. UW-Oshkosh
6.. UW-River Falls
7. UW-La Crosse
8. UW-Eau Claire
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on December 13, 2023, 11:32:03 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 13, 2023, 11:32:03 AM
I think this speaks to the high quality of the rosters, but there are not many "Newcomers" playing tons across the WIAC.
This list doesn't currently include any EC or LC players.
"Newcomers" would be players new to the roster, or who have been on the roster, but played very few min last year:
This list doesn't currently include any EC or LC players.
"Newcomers" would be players new to the roster, or who have been on the roster, but played very few min last year:
| Player | Class | Team | MIN | PTS | REB |
| Bri McCurdy | FR | UW-Whitewater | 217 | 46 | 12 |
| Katie Hildebrandt | JR | UW-Whitewater | 213 | 90 | 41 |
| Mallory Hoitink | FR | UW-Oshkosh | 118 | 68 | 18 |
| Rachel Hagen | FR | UW-Stevens Point | 108 | 43 | 30 |
| Ava Loftus | SO | UW-Stevens Point | 100 | 31 | 10 |
| Maraya Wiltrout | FR | UW-Stout | 97 | 65 | 28 |
| Ashley Weir | SO | UW-Platteville | 94 | 31 | 22 |
| Sylvia Fox | FR | UW-Whitewater | 66 | 13 | 10 |
| Emily Kulstad | SO | UW-River Falls | 66 | 18 | 14 |
| Molly Bills | FR | UW-Stout | 53 | 20 | 3 |
| Tatum Weir | FR | UW-Platteville | 41 | 6 | 14 |
| Haley Bryant | FR | UW-Stout | 34 | 8 | 3 |
| Hope Barington | FR | UW-Oshkosh | 34 | 15 | 5 |
| Sophie Moran | JR | UW-Stout | 30 | 7 | 7 |
| Maddie Andersen | FR | UW-Whitewater | 29 | 5 | 8 |
| Ava Hoppert | FR | UW-Platteville | 27 | 12 | 6 |
| Camryn Smith | FR | UW-Stout | 25 | 16 | 1 |
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2024, 10:34:18 PM
Post by: deiscanton on February 21, 2024, 10:34:18 PM
I just watched UW-Stout def. UW-Whitewater in the WIAC semifinals tonight, and after asking if UW-Stout needed to also def. UW-Oshkosh on Friday to become a bid thief, the consensus among women's bracketologists Scott Peterson and Riley Zayas was that UW-Stout became a bid thief tonight by playing their way into a Pool C invite to the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Tournament if they lose on Friday. The win tonight over UW-Whitewater gave Stout 2 wins over the #1 ranked team in Region IX-- which is probably enough given Stout's winning pct. and SOS to get one of the 21 Pool C bids on Monday should Stout not be able to get their ticket automatically punched Friday night.
UW-Whitewater is now projected to be the first Pool C invite on Monday, and UW-Oshkosh is a lock for a Pool C invite on Monday if the Titans need it.
Any thoughts on how the 3 WIAC teams potentially matchup against the top 3 nationally ranked and undefeated teams-- Rhode Island College, Transylvania, or NYU if the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball National Committee p Having watched a lot of NYU this season, I am confident that NYU can beat any of those 3 WIAC teams. Not sure about RI College or Transy this year, although Transy has proven in the past that they can compete with their defense anywhere in the country no matter where the game is played. Also, would any of these matchups potentially happen in the Sweet 16/Elite 8 round, or could they only happen if the matchup is in the Final Four in Columbus, OH?
UW-Whitewater is now projected to be the first Pool C invite on Monday, and UW-Oshkosh is a lock for a Pool C invite on Monday if the Titans need it.
Any thoughts on how the 3 WIAC teams potentially matchup against the top 3 nationally ranked and undefeated teams-- Rhode Island College, Transylvania, or NYU if the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball National Committee p Having watched a lot of NYU this season, I am confident that NYU can beat any of those 3 WIAC teams. Not sure about RI College or Transy this year, although Transy has proven in the past that they can compete with their defense anywhere in the country no matter where the game is played. Also, would any of these matchups potentially happen in the Sweet 16/Elite 8 round, or could they only happen if the matchup is in the Final Four in Columbus, OH?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 22, 2024, 11:50:19 AM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 22, 2024, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: deiscanton on February 21, 2024, 10:34:18 PMI just watched UW-Stout def. UW-Whitewater in the WIAC semifinals tonight, and after asking if UW-Stout needed to also def. UW-Oshkosh on Friday to become a bid thief, the consensus among women's bracketologists Scott Peterson and Riley Zayas was that UW-Stout became a bid thief tonight by playing their way into a Pool C invite to the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball Tournament if they lose on Friday. The win tonight over UW-Whitewater gave Stout 2 wins over the #1 ranked team in Region IX-- which is probably enough given Stout's winning pct. and SOS to get one of the 21 Pool C bids on Monday should Stout not be able to get their ticket automatically punched Friday night.
UW-Whitewater is now projected to be the first Pool C invite on Monday, and UW-Oshkosh is a lock for a Pool C invite on Monday if the Titans need it.
Any thoughts on how the 3 WIAC teams potentially matchup against the top 3 nationally ranked and undefeated teams-- Rhode Island College, Transylvania, or NYU if the NCAA DIII Women's Basketball National Committee p Having watched a lot of NYU this season, I am confident that NYU can beat any of those 3 WIAC teams. Not sure about RI College or Transy this year, although Transy has proven in the past that they can compete with their defense anywhere in the country no matter where the game is played. Also, would any of these matchups potentially happen in the Sweet 16/Elite 8 round, or could they only happen if the matchup is in the Final Four in Columbus, OH?
Totally agree. NYU is a step above anyone else. It will take a miracle for someone to beat the Violets. From what I've seen Oshkosh and Whitewater (on the Warhawks good nights and they've had a few bad ones recently) can hang with and possibly beat Transy and RIC in the E8 or FF.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2024, 03:19:06 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 26, 2024, 03:19:06 PM
3 in, 2 hosting, just as anticipated. Should be some interesting games. Hopefully all 3 can make it to the Sweet 16!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hnkstr on February 27, 2024, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: hnkstr on February 27, 2024, 08:55:00 AM
NYU probably gives more fits to Stout than to Whitewater and Oshkosh, as those 2 have better post play.
But I think NYU is a step above all 3 to be honest, they start 4 All Americans, it's like a WIAC all conf team starting. Take Froehlke, Sorensen, Carollo, Grundahl, Vaile, and Mackiewicz and I'd take them on. haha
Would also love to see all 3 in the Sweet 16! If Stout can get by WashU and Carroll, I can see them playing with Transy, who isn't quite as good as last year. Stout has been on a 9 game lose and go home stretch (to make the NCAA Tourney). Transy has not had to deal with anything like that.
But I think NYU is a step above all 3 to be honest, they start 4 All Americans, it's like a WIAC all conf team starting. Take Froehlke, Sorensen, Carollo, Grundahl, Vaile, and Mackiewicz and I'd take them on. haha
Would also love to see all 3 in the Sweet 16! If Stout can get by WashU and Carroll, I can see them playing with Transy, who isn't quite as good as last year. Stout has been on a 9 game lose and go home stretch (to make the NCAA Tourney). Transy has not had to deal with anything like that.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2024, 12:35:44 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 02, 2024, 12:35:44 PM
I noticed an interesting uniform rule change last night when a Milikin player wore the #7. Previously numbers that required more than 5 fingers for officials to display were illegal. But now we could see numbers like 99, 77, etc.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 02, 2024, 11:52:41 PM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 02, 2024, 11:52:41 PM
UW-Stout 61
Puget Sound 40
Stout never trailed in the game shooting around 50% the entire game while limiting Puget Sound to 25% shooting. Blue Devils will face the defending national champs Transylvania in the Sweet 16.
Puget Sound 40
Stout never trailed in the game shooting around 50% the entire game while limiting Puget Sound to 25% shooting. Blue Devils will face the defending national champs Transylvania in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 03, 2024, 11:50:07 AM
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 03, 2024, 11:50:07 AM
Though it will interesting to find out who will host the sectional of UWW, Stout, Transylvania and Hope. I think Transylvania could host again but that means Stout has to fly in but I could also see Whitewater or Hope hosting since in theory everyone could bus to either site. (Transylvania 486 miles to UWW/495 miles to Hope)
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on March 03, 2024, 12:12:46 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 03, 2024, 12:12:46 PM
The Sectional will be hosted at Wisc-Whitewater!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 04, 2024, 11:31:30 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 04, 2024, 11:31:30 AM
All 3 in the Sweet 16! Stout is on quite the run, WW gets to host, and UWO gets a flight to Maine! Can all 3 make the Elite 8?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hnkstr on March 06, 2024, 09:45:20 AM
Post by: hnkstr on March 06, 2024, 09:45:20 AM
Wow would that be something, 3 WIAC in Elite8. Wish we were in 3 different brackets.
These are 3 tough matchups though.
Definitely good look for the WIAC conference.
These are 3 tough matchups though.
Definitely good look for the WIAC conference.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on April 15, 2024, 01:19:50 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on April 15, 2024, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on April 09, 2024, 10:08:37 PMQuote from: hnkstr on March 06, 2024, 09:45:20 AMWow would that be something, 3 WIAC in Elite8. Wish we were in 3 different brackets.
These are 3 tough matchups though.
Definitely good look for the WIAC conference.
Any scouting report for a player from Colorado? Interesting to come from Oshkosh to Colorado.
Who from Oshkosh is going to Colorado?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on April 18, 2024, 03:12:23 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on April 18, 2024, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on April 15, 2024, 01:19:50 PMQuote from: PauldingLightUP on April 09, 2024, 10:08:37 PMQuote from: hnkstr on March 06, 2024, 09:45:20 AMWow would that be something, 3 WIAC in Elite8. Wish we were in 3 different brackets.
These are 3 tough matchups though.
Definitely good look for the WIAC conference.
Any scouting report for a player from Colorado? Interesting to come from Oshkosh to Colorado.
Who from Oshkosh is going to Colorado?
Miss post as it was really meant for men's thread.
Well...Oshkosh picked up a transfer today from St. Thomas and Appleton East, Sammi Beyer.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on October 23, 2024, 09:24:15 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on October 23, 2024, 09:24:15 AM
Sammi will help the Titans....played in FVA, toughest high school conference in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on October 23, 2024, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on October 23, 2024, 01:33:00 PM
Transfers into WIAC:
| Name | Origin | Destination |
| Karissa Mau | Black Hills State (D2) | UW-Stevens Point |
| Makayla Mau | Saginaw Valley State (D2) | UW-Platteville |
| Alex Rondorf | Michigan Tech (D2) | UW-Oshkosh |
| Sammi Beyer | St Thomas MN (D1) | UW-Oshkosh |
| Malia Nelson | Winona State (D2) | UW-La Crosse |
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2024, 09:56:19 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 10, 2024, 09:56:19 AM
The WARHAWK women open the season with a pair of wins over the weekend defeating #24 DePauw 64-58 and lakeland 78-35. After building a 16 point lead in the third quarter the WARHAWKS had to hold on as the Tigers rallied in the fourth though the lead was never fewer than six points. Despite a slow start Saturday the WARHAWKS had little trouble with the Muskies holding them to 35 points. Kaci Carollo led the WARHAWKS in scoring with 19 and 18 points respectively. Maggie Trautsch added 11 against DePauw and Mallory Oloffson scored 10 against Lakeland.
Stevens Point also participated crushing Lakeland with a 101-64 drubbing before being drubbed themselves 69-47 by DePauw.
Stevens Point also participated crushing Lakeland with a 101-64 drubbing before being drubbed themselves 69-47 by DePauw.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on November 14, 2024, 10:09:06 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on November 14, 2024, 10:09:06 PM
Do any of the WIAC volleyball teams have players that play hoops after their season ends?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2024, 04:43:03 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on November 22, 2024, 04:43:03 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on November 14, 2024, 10:09:06 PMDo any of the WIAC volleyball teams have players that play hoops after their season ends?
Speaking only for WW, no.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on December 19, 2024, 05:08:19 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on December 19, 2024, 05:08:19 PM
Seems UW Stevens Point is a winner this year. Where is everybody?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on December 19, 2024, 09:20:58 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on December 19, 2024, 09:20:58 PM
were you intending to post in the Women's Basketball channel?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on December 20, 2024, 01:46:22 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on December 20, 2024, 01:46:22 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on December 19, 2024, 09:20:58 PMwere you intending to post in the Women's Basketball channel?
Yes. Basketball is basketball.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2024, 10:32:04 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on December 21, 2024, 10:32:04 AM
The WARHAWKS got balanced scoring from the starters and seventeen players saw action as they beat 5-5 Anna Maria 76-50. Forcing 32 turnovers which included 21 steals from 7 players the WARHAWKS led from start to finish.
Scoring: Carollo: 12; Oloffson: 12; Trausch: 10. Carollo also pulled down 9 rebounds, dished out 4 assists and had 5 of the steals.
The WARHAWKS take on Lycoming (1-8) today to wrap up their trip to Daytona.
I've only seen the Pointers twice so far and it was a significant contrast. They crushed an overmatched Lakeland team and put 100 on the board. The next night, against tougher competition in DePauw, they struggled and lost by 22.
Scoring: Carollo: 12; Oloffson: 12; Trausch: 10. Carollo also pulled down 9 rebounds, dished out 4 assists and had 5 of the steals.
The WARHAWKS take on Lycoming (1-8) today to wrap up their trip to Daytona.
I've only seen the Pointers twice so far and it was a significant contrast. They crushed an overmatched Lakeland team and put 100 on the board. The next night, against tougher competition in DePauw, they struggled and lost by 22.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 08, 2025, 08:49:13 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 08, 2025, 08:49:13 AM
Unranked UW-Stevens Point is now 11-1. I heard the Hilltop is considering putting their away games on the big screen. If they serve their fish fry on Wednesday or Saturdays I am in. ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 08, 2025, 10:32:50 AM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 08, 2025, 10:32:50 AM
I am impressed with Oshkosh winning (12-0) and so highly ranked without 5th year Bridget Froehlke, who is out due to injury. If she ever returns Titans will be even better. Alex Rondorf's scoring and potential replacement to Froehlke hasn't really materialized yet.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2025, 11:50:10 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on January 08, 2025, 11:50:10 AM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on January 08, 2025, 10:32:50 AMI am impressed with Oshkosh winning (12-0) and so highly ranked without 5th year Bridget Froehlke, who is out due to injury. If she ever returns Titans will be even better. Alex Rondorf's scoring and potential replacement to Froehlke hasn't really materialized yet.
Froehlke (5'8) indeed is a big loss. She averaged 11.59 pts/30 min and 2.86 reb/30 min last year, over 704 min.
The three-headed incoming monster of Rondorf, Beyer, Seckar have been great.
Rondorf (5'10) 8.22 pts/30min, 4.97 reb/30min
Beyer (5'6) 13.15 pts/30min, 2.30 reb/30min
Seckar (6'0) 11.39 pts/30min, 6.74 reb/30min
The length of Seckar and Rondorf have made an already good defense VERY good.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 08, 2025, 12:12:30 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 08, 2025, 12:12:30 PM
Quote from: scottiedawg on January 08, 2025, 11:50:10 AMQuote from: PauldingLightUP on January 08, 2025, 10:32:50 AMI am impressed with Oshkosh winning (12-0) and so highly ranked without 5th year Bridget Froehlke, who is out due to injury. If she ever returns Titans will be even better. Alex Rondorf's scoring and potential replacement to Froehlke hasn't really materialized yet.
Froehlke (5'8) indeed is a big loss. She averaged 11.59 pts/30 min and 2.86 reb/30 min last year, over 704 min.
The three-headed incoming monster of Rondorf, Beyer, Seckar have been great.
Rondorf (5'10) 8.22 pts/30min, 4.97 reb/30min
Beyer (5'6) 13.15 pts/30min, 2.30 reb/30min
Seckar (6'0) 11.39 pts/30min, 6.74 reb/30min
The length of Seckar and Rondorf have made an already good defense VERY good.
I am impressed with Seckar's transition to the college game. She was basically a one person show on West as a point forward, on let's face it an average West team, and drew the main defenses all time. Beating Ziebell head to head at the end of the year was impressive. She's fit in nicely on the Titans as a role player off the bench in the post.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 09, 2025, 09:47:16 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 09, 2025, 09:47:16 PM
Lady Dawgs with a big W over Whitewater. Might be two NCAA titles in Point this year.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 11, 2025, 07:13:03 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 11, 2025, 07:13:03 PM
First Hilltop away WBB game and our Lady Dawgs lose. At Quandt watching the Pointer MBB now. This one in the balance, Point getting back in the game. The end zone beer swillers appear to be energized.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 15, 2025, 11:08:09 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 15, 2025, 11:08:09 PM
Lady Dawgs hold serve at home.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 18, 2025, 08:57:10 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 18, 2025, 08:57:10 PM
Dawg ladies lose on the road. This Hilltop road game show isn't working out too well.
I couldn't make it today, was invited to the Point beer garden at Quandt. Don't like the end zone view but the beer was cold. Pointers won but weren't too impressive except Kromm in OT.
I couldn't make it today, was invited to the Point beer garden at Quandt. Don't like the end zone view but the beer was cold. Pointers won but weren't too impressive except Kromm in OT.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 21, 2025, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 21, 2025, 10:44:00 PM
No Hilltop viewing party for the Oshkosh game. It's just down the road, go watch them play ! My sense is the Pointers will win big at Quandt so get to Oshkosh and cheer on the lady Dawgs.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 23, 2025, 10:22:10 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 23, 2025, 10:22:10 AM
Well the Hilltop missed a good one. Dawgs hung with the Titans right to the end. 50-54 L
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: teddydetitan on January 24, 2025, 09:58:49 PM
Post by: teddydetitan on January 24, 2025, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on January 21, 2025, 10:44:00 PMNo Hilltop viewing party for the Oshkosh game. It's just down the road, go watch them play ! My sense is the Pointers will win big at Quandt so get to Oshkosh and cheer on the lady Dawgs.
Double wammy Wednesday night for the Pointers, but wouldn't have predicted either outcome at all.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 27, 2025, 12:34:25 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 27, 2025, 12:34:25 PM
UW-O bus must have broken down on the way to RF. Shocking loss, although my Lady Dawgs hung last Wednesday.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 27, 2025, 03:23:08 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 27, 2025, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on January 27, 2025, 12:34:25 PMUW-O bus must have broken down on the way to RF. Shocking loss, although my Lady Dawgs hung last Wednesday.
Didn't looks like anything too significant happened injury wise, but Seckar went out with 53 seconds left in the first quarter and didn't return. Absolutely changed the game and changed the Titans.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 28, 2025, 09:32:06 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on January 28, 2025, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on January 27, 2025, 03:23:08 PMQuote from: ChickenHoops on January 27, 2025, 12:34:25 PMUW-O bus must have broken down on the way to RF. Shocking loss, although my Lady Dawgs hung last Wednesday.
Didn't looks like anything too significant happened injury wise, but Seckar went out with 53 seconds left in the first quarter and didn't return. Absolutely changed the game and changed the Titans.
She is a force, put down the Dawgs. Her brother is adding to the Titan men's success as well. Their father Frank was a great player at Vanderbilt.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 30, 2025, 10:26:11 AM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 30, 2025, 10:26:11 AM
Seckar right back in playing her regular game last night in Platteville to help the Titans get back on track. Second on the team with 12 points. Seckar sitting out the last three quarters in River Falls remains a bit of a mystery.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2025, 01:54:24 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 30, 2025, 01:54:24 PM
WARHAWKS avenge earlier loss blowing out the Lady Dawgs 70-54. Carollo leads the way with a double/double 22/11 and adds 5 assists. Thompson has a big night for Point with her 28/12 double/double.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 05, 2025, 11:59:31 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 05, 2025, 11:59:31 AM
Lady Dawgs have a tough one tonight at River Falls. River Falls only blemish on Oshkosh record.
Trying to confirm a showing at the Hilltop.
Trying to confirm a showing at the Hilltop.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 05, 2025, 11:47:27 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 05, 2025, 11:47:27 PM
Disappointing loss for Lady Dawgs tonight.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2025, 10:20:33 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2025, 10:20:33 AM
Wow. That's about all I can say about the game at Kolf last night. Still processing it. Might have to watch it again as well. But......wow.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 06, 2025, 05:45:40 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 06, 2025, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2025, 10:20:33 AMWow. That's about all I can say about the game at Kolf last night. Still processing it. Might have to watch it again as well. But......wow.
Sammi freaking Beyer !!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cubs on February 07, 2025, 11:47:19 AM
Post by: cubs on February 07, 2025, 11:47:19 AM
While it would probably be a long shot, I'd be curious if administration would give any thought to hiring Coach Fischer for the Badgers Women's Basketball position, assuming he'd have interest in the position?
I wonder if he could duplicate what Borseth did at UWGB and build a program around kids from the state and breathe some much needed life into what appears to be a dying program. We've seen coaches make the jump from the WIAC to power programs in the past (however there is usually a stop in between along the way) (Bo Ryan, Kathi Bennett, Lisa Stone, Lance Leipold, etc..) so it's not totally far fetched to think he could be the next in a line of coaches to experience the same success.
Thoughts?
I wonder if he could duplicate what Borseth did at UWGB and build a program around kids from the state and breathe some much needed life into what appears to be a dying program. We've seen coaches make the jump from the WIAC to power programs in the past (however there is usually a stop in between along the way) (Bo Ryan, Kathi Bennett, Lisa Stone, Lance Leipold, etc..) so it's not totally far fetched to think he could be the next in a line of coaches to experience the same success.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 07, 2025, 05:35:16 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 07, 2025, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: cubs on February 07, 2025, 11:47:19 AMWhile it would probably be a long shot, I'd be curious if administration would give any thought to hiring Coach Fischer for the Badgers Women's Basketball position, assuming he'd have interest in the position?
I wonder if he could duplicate what Borseth did at UWGB and build a program around kids from the state and breathe some much needed life into what appears to be a dying program. We've seen coaches make the jump from the WIAC to power programs in the past (however there is usually a stop in between along the way) (Bo Ryan, Kathi Bennett, Lisa Stone, Lance Leipold, etc..) so it's not totally far fetched to think he could be the next in a line of coaches to experience the same success.
Thoughts?Quote from: cubs on February 07, 2025, 11:47:19 AMWhile it would probably be a long shot, I'd be curious if administration would give any thought to hiring Coach Fischer for the Badgers Women's Basketball position, assuming he'd have interest in the position?
I wonder if he could duplicate what Borseth did at UWGB and build a program around kids from the state and breathe some much needed life into what appears to be a dying program. We've seen coaches make the jump from the WIAC to power programs in the past (however there is usually a stop in between along the way) (Bo Ryan, Kathi Bennett, Lisa Stone, Lance Leipold, etc..) so it's not totally far fetched to think he could be the next in a line of coaches to experience the same success.
Thoughts?
Can he get past the DEI screening at UW? Great coach.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 12, 2025, 07:20:47 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 12, 2025, 07:20:47 PM
Lady Dawgs host the Titans tonight. Titans are a strong team but I see the Dawgs in it to win it.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 19, 2025, 10:53:36 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 19, 2025, 10:53:36 PM
Oshkosh wins WIAC outright tonight. Had Stout won final two, there would've been a coin flip for top two seeds.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 20, 2025, 07:56:46 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 20, 2025, 07:56:46 AM
I always love fun little stats that really mean nothing, but the EC bench got a warning from the officials with about 30 seconds remaining in the first half. UWO outscored them 37-11 from that point on. But a fun night to grab WIAC title #16.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2025, 10:50:20 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2025, 10:50:20 AM
WHITEWATER'S Kaci Carollo is either first(6) or second(3) in the eleven WIAC statistical categories. She's 13th and 6th in the other two categories. If she isn't the POY there is something wrong with the voting.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2025, 06:04:37 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 23, 2025, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 23, 2025, 10:50:20 AMWHITEWATER'S Kaci Carollo is either first(6) or second(3) in the eleven WIAC statistical categories. She's 13th and 6th in the other two categories. If she isn't the POY there is something wrong with the voting.
Yeah, there's no question with that.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 25, 2025, 11:01:11 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 25, 2025, 11:01:11 AM
If everything goes according to Hoyle, the Lady Dawgs will travel to Oshkosh on Thursday for the WIAC semis. Dad is covering the coops so I intend to drive down.
Will the WIAC allow the Titans to sell beer there? I have a few buddies who won't go to the game with me if they can't have at least a couple. Yes, they have a problem.
Will the WIAC allow the Titans to sell beer there? I have a few buddies who won't go to the game with me if they can't have at least a couple. Yes, they have a problem.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 26, 2025, 12:29:58 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 26, 2025, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on February 25, 2025, 11:01:11 AMIf everything goes according to Hoyle, the Lady Dawgs will travel to Oshkosh on Thursday for the WIAC semis. Dad is covering the coops so I intend to drive down.
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Lady Dawgs laid an egg at Berg Gym. No trip to Oshkosh. Uggh.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 26, 2025, 02:13:29 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on February 26, 2025, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on February 26, 2025, 12:29:58 PMQuote from: ChickenHoops on February 25, 2025, 11:01:11 AMIf everything goes according to Hoyle, the Lady Dawgs will travel to Oshkosh on Thursday for the WIAC semis. Dad is covering the coops so I intend to drive down.
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Lady Dawgs laid an egg at Berg Gym. No trip to Oshkosh. Uggh.
Really just a bad second half. First half was fine. No defense in second half compared to first.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 27, 2025, 12:57:41 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 27, 2025, 12:57:41 AM
Season over.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on February 27, 2025, 07:41:30 AM
Post by: scottiedawg on February 27, 2025, 07:41:30 AM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on February 27, 2025, 12:57:41 AMSeason over.
UW-Stevens Point WBB?
I think their season will continue.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 27, 2025, 08:50:14 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on February 27, 2025, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: scottiedawg on February 27, 2025, 07:41:30 AMQuote from: ChickenHoops on February 27, 2025, 12:57:41 AMSeason over.
UW-Stevens Point WBB?
I think their season will continue.
Need to hope for no bid thieves.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 28, 2025, 09:21:19 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on February 28, 2025, 09:21:19 AM
My gosh, am I glad that game got done last night. I don't think I could have sat there much longer. But, I did see a call at the end of the game I have never seen before. UWO letting the clock run out, a UWL defender crept closer, and the official called a 5-second closely guarded violation......with 0.7 left on the clock. And the UWO player had started a dribble to reset the 5. Kind of unreal.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 02, 2025, 04:04:05 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 02, 2025, 04:04:05 PM
Five WIAC teams in the tournament is absolutely nuts!
Hopefully they can keep everyone in different first weekend pods.
Hopefully they can keep everyone in different first weekend pods.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 02, 2025, 07:37:56 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 02, 2025, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on March 02, 2025, 04:04:05 PMFive WIAC teams in the tournament is absolutely nuts!
Hopefully they can keep everyone in different first weekend pods.
Yeah, it will be REAL interesting to see how these brackets pan out. I've tried to balance them geographically and with seeds, and it is tough.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2025, 07:58:14 PM
Post by: scottiedawg on March 02, 2025, 07:58:14 PM
Flying UWLC to the Texas pod would sure help the bracketing pressure of 5 WIACs.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 08:27:46 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 08:27:46 AM
I hear Texas is nice this time of year. But D3H projections have Osh, WW, and Stout in same quadrant. Of course, we'd like to see that broken up a bit.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: colinsteinke on March 03, 2025, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: colinsteinke on March 03, 2025, 10:08:46 AM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 08:27:46 AMI hear Texas is nice this time of year. But D3H projections have Osh, WW, and Stout in same quadrant. Of course, we'd like to see that broken up a bit.
With 5 teams and a minimal travel budget for flights, I think the best we can hope for is keeping them all apart the first weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2025, 10:23:51 AM
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2025, 10:23:51 AM
Yeah, with Whitewater jumping into hosting position, there are less options for moving WIAC teams east, which might help to separate them. Unless they're really going to spring for a lot of second weekend flights, they're going to have to be in the same quadrant.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 03:13:32 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 03:13:32 PM
I just heard the host on the NCAA site call UWO the Warhawks. I can't watch anymore. It has been brutal.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2025, 04:02:59 PM
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2025, 04:02:59 PM
Brutal bracket. Whitewater and La Crosse in the same 1st and 2nd round quad at Whitewater, so they could meet in the 2nd round. Then, Stout is hosting a quad and they are directly above the Whitewater quad. The winners of those two quads meet in the Sweet 16. Way to split them up.
Point and Oshkosh on the other side of the bracket. The only way they could meet is in the Final Four.
Point and Oshkosh on the other side of the bracket. The only way they could meet is in the Final Four.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2025, 07:55:19 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2025, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 03:13:32 PMI just heard the host on the NCAA site call UWO the Warhawks. I can't watch anymore. It has been brutal.
Twice ;) ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 05, 2025, 08:24:49 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 05, 2025, 08:24:49 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2025, 07:55:19 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 03:13:32 PMI just heard the host on the NCAA site call UWO the Warhawks. I can't watch anymore. It has been brutal.
Twice ;) ;D
I would have asked them to go to the video replay for review, but that hasn't worked out well for us lately. ;D
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 06, 2025, 02:41:01 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 06, 2025, 02:41:01 PM
Not optimistic for the Lady Dawgs. Chickens doing well but will have to livestream.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 06, 2025, 08:39:53 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 06, 2025, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on March 06, 2025, 02:41:01 PMNot optimistic for the Lady Dawgs. Chickens doing well but will have to livestream.
WPCN's Scott Krueger agrees with you. Not even making the trip to cover UWSP women. Staying in town to cover SPASH.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 07, 2025, 04:43:05 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 07, 2025, 04:43:05 PM
I watched SPASH get slashed by Appleton East last night. East had two sophomores that were awesome. Shot at the buzzer by one (Sweeney) ended the game. She'll be a D1 player is my bet.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 08, 2025, 12:34:09 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 08, 2025, 12:34:09 PM
Two good games at Kolf last night. Bethel pulled it out over Wartburg in a game that had about 50 fouls, but 33 called fouls. Will be interesting to see if that type of play is allowed tonight. If so, slight advantage in that aspect to Bethel. I got my lucky parking spot, so UWO got the victory. Only game someone else was in my spot was the WIAC title game. Might get there 6 hours early to ensure. If the Calvin crowd were all licensed officials, the game would have been a shoutout because every UWO possession was either a travel or 3 seconds. Checked with the NCAA, and I'm not allowed to answer crowd questions of "Why is that a shot clock reset?" Bethel has 4 that can score 10+, so if you can hold one of them to 5, the win is there. Remember, alternate teams for the starting lineups!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoops2 on March 08, 2025, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: hoops2 on March 08, 2025, 02:08:00 PM
Chicken,
I believe she has already received an offer from Wisconsin. Seubert has offers from multiple schools and Awe is getting them as well. That was a great game that someone had to lose. East might give Memorial a run this afternoon in Marshfield.
I believe she has already received an offer from Wisconsin. Seubert has offers from multiple schools and Awe is getting them as well. That was a great game that someone had to lose. East might give Memorial a run this afternoon in Marshfield.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 04:20:50 AM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 04:20:50 AM
Quote from: hoops2 on March 08, 2025, 02:08:00 PMChicken,
I believe she has already received an offer from Wisconsin. Seubert has offers from multiple schools and Awe is getting them as well. That was a great game that someone had to lose. East might give Memorial a run this afternoon in Marshfield.
They did. I watched the Zaleski Sports stream and in the post game interviews their head coach was so humble and happy for the girls. A buddy of mine told me he is a commercial banker by day but loves coaching. FVA is always tough top to bottom.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 02:00:02 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 02:00:02 PM
Got my parking spot, so all was well. Had quite a few replay stoppages and saw the first 2 three second calls that I have seen in 2025. I could have been a little sarcastic with the call, but I think that would have been an obvious flop. On the bright side, I got to see how "I'll just use the iPad for replay" is a statement that will lead to an extra 3 minutes at the table. On to the Sweet 16!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 03:10:42 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 02:00:02 PMGot my parking spot, so all was well. Had quite a few replay stoppages and saw the first 2 three second calls that I have seen in 2025. I could have been a little sarcastic with the call, but I think that would have been an obvious flop. On the bright side, I got to see how "I'll just use the iPad for replay" is a statement that will lead to an extra 3 minutes at the table. On to the Sweet 16!
Do you work the next round at Wesleyan or do you just get to attend? Does the NCAA give you a blood/pee in a cup test to allow you into their hallowed tournament?
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2025, 03:58:16 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 09, 2025, 03:58:16 PM
The Warhawks game was kind of brutal to watch. Neither team shot decently. But a W is a W is a Wand we"ll take it and head to Scranton for another match up with Stout.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 05:53:12 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 03:10:42 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 02:00:02 PMGot my parking spot, so all was well. Had quite a few replay stoppages and saw the first 2 three second calls that I have seen in 2025. I could have been a little sarcastic with the call, but I think that would have been an obvious flop. On the bright side, I got to see how "I'll just use the iPad for replay" is a statement that will lead to an extra 3 minutes at the table. On to the Sweet 16!
Do you work the next round at Wesleyan or do you just get to attend? Does the NCAA give you a blood/pee in a cup test to allow you into their hallowed tournament?
I'll be watching on the old Apple IIe. And if the NCAA had a pee cup, it would have to be a Powerade cup.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 06:27:09 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 05:53:12 PMQuote from: ChickenHoops on March 09, 2025, 03:10:42 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 09, 2025, 02:00:02 PMGot my parking spot, so all was well. Had quite a few replay stoppages and saw the first 2 three second calls that I have seen in 2025. I could have been a little sarcastic with the call, but I think that would have been an obvious flop. On the bright side, I got to see how "I'll just use the iPad for replay" is a statement that will lead to an extra 3 minutes at the table. On to the Sweet 16!
Do you work the next round at Wesleyan or do you just get to attend? Does the NCAA give you a blood/pee in a cup test to allow you into their hallowed tournament?
I'll be watching on the old Apple IIe. And if the NCAA had a pee cup, it would have to be a Powerade cup.
ROFLMAO
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2025, 05:09:48 PM
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2025, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2025, 07:55:19 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 03, 2025, 03:13:32 PMI just heard the host on the NCAA site call UWO the Warhawks. I can't watch anymore. It has been brutal.
Twice ;) ;D
I know I am coming to this a few days later, but she did correct it when I pointed it out on the show.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AM
The former coach in me decided to watch some game film. I can say that IWU is everywhere. I walked out of my classroom for lunch, and I was in the middle of a trap. 59 is their lowest total of the year. Can UWO hold them around there? IWU has 2 averaging 15, but I think the key is keeping the 2 that average 11 under 7. If you can do that, it would be an elite performance.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 13, 2025, 05:27:29 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 13, 2025, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AMThe former coach in me decided to watch some game film. I can say that IWU is everywhere. I walked out of my classroom for lunch, and I was in the middle of a trap. 59 is their lowest total of the year. Can UWO hold them around there? IWU has 2 averaging 15, but I think the key is keeping the 2 that average 11 under 7. If you can do that, it would be an elite performance.
As my former Marshfield neighbor says, #InBradWeTrust. He is quickly becoming the Bo Ryan of D3 women's basketball.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 13, 2025, 06:06:31 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 13, 2025, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on March 13, 2025, 05:27:29 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AMThe former coach in me decided to watch some game film. I can say that IWU is everywhere. I walked out of my classroom for lunch, and I was in the middle of a trap. 59 is their lowest total of the year. Can UWO hold them around there? IWU has 2 averaging 15, but I think the key is keeping the 2 that average 11 under 7. If you can do that, it would be an elite performance.
As my former Marshfield neighbor says, #InBradWeTrust. He is quickly becoming the Bo Ryan of D3 women's basketball.
Countless first weekend regionals success for UWO and Fischer. Unfortunately, just a 1-5 second weekend sectional record.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2025, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 13, 2025, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: ChickenHoops on March 13, 2025, 05:27:29 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AMThe former coach in me decided to watch some game film. I can say that IWU is everywhere. I walked out of my classroom for lunch, and I was in the middle of a trap. 59 is their lowest total of the year. Can UWO hold them around there? IWU has 2 averaging 15, but I think the key is keeping the 2 that average 11 under 7. If you can do that, it would be an elite performance.
As my former Marshfield neighbor says, #InBradWeTrust. He is quickly becoming the Bo Ryan of D3 women's basketball.
Ryan has 4 National Championships. Fischer has none. He's got a ways to go. ;)
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 14, 2025, 02:01:51 PM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 14, 2025, 02:01:51 PM
Carollo named Josten's finalist.
The WIAC has a finalist in both the women and the men.
The WIAC has a finalist in both the women and the men.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cubs on March 14, 2025, 10:19:08 PM
Post by: cubs on March 14, 2025, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AMThe former coach in me decided to watch some game film. I can say that IWU is everywhere. I walked out of my classroom for lunch, and I was in the middle of a trap. 59 is their lowest total of the year. Can UWO hold them around there? IWU has 2 averaging 15, but I think the key is keeping the 2 that average 11 under 7. If you can do that, it would be an elite performance.How about holding them to just 43 Points? 😆
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 14, 2025, 10:29:22 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 14, 2025, 10:29:22 PM
Not hyperbole to say that was the best win of Fischer's career. Titans of UW-Oshkosh win it by 20.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 15, 2025, 09:37:08 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 15, 2025, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: cubs on March 14, 2025, 10:19:08 PMQuote from: Voice of the Titans on March 12, 2025, 11:30:34 AMThe former coach in me decided to watch some game film. I can say that IWU is everywhere. I walked out of my classroom for lunch, and I was in the middle of a trap. 59 is their lowest total of the year. Can UWO hold them around there? IWU has 2 averaging 15, but I think the key is keeping the 2 that average 11 under 7. If you can do that, it would be an elite performance.How about holding them to just 43 Points? 😆
"Don't let them score" is always another option.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2025, 11:00:53 AM
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 15, 2025, 11:00:53 AM
Congrats and good luck Blue Devils and Titans. Let's make the Final Four half the WIAC.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 15, 2025, 12:54:14 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 15, 2025, 12:54:14 PM
Should I make the drive? Might have to hire a divorce attorney if I do. Play defense like that, and it is game over. Can BW hit 50% from three again? Also, 2 opposing players with 17 rebounds in the same game? Crazy stuff. I'll say whichever team is plus on bench points will play next weekend. Paging Sammi Beyer!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 15, 2025, 10:36:10 PM
Post by: ChickenHoops on March 15, 2025, 10:36:10 PM
Oshkosh won and is on their way to Salem for the Final 4. They were tough all weekend.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 15, 2025, 10:44:33 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 15, 2025, 10:44:33 PM
Two WIAC teams going to the Final Four in Salem in UW-Stout and UW-Oshkosh.
I do not envy Stout having to prepare for NYU, while Oshkosh gets a rematch with Smith.
I do not envy Stout having to prepare for NYU, while Oshkosh gets a rematch with Smith.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 16, 2025, 09:14:48 AM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 16, 2025, 09:14:48 AM
Beyer got my page, UWO bench wins 27-8. Cool to see a couple of WIAC teams in the Final Four. Next year, just give bids to the top 8. Now, to find a site that is selling gear! I need more hoodies!
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 20, 2025, 09:40:08 PM
Post by: PauldingLightUP on March 20, 2025, 09:40:08 PM
Oshkosh leads quite a bit of the game, but an ice cold start and ice cold middle 5 minutes of the 4th quarter were difference makers. Just 2-22 from three the key stat that was costly.
NYU was too much for Stout in a very predictable game. Little better second half for Stout, but the game was out of reach.
Good runs and year for the WIAC.
Oshkosh will certainly be back with Beyer and Secker leading the way next year. A lot of seniors on the other four tournament teams that will have to reload.
NYU was too much for Stout in a very predictable game. Little better second half for Stout, but the game was out of reach.
Good runs and year for the WIAC.
Oshkosh will certainly be back with Beyer and Secker leading the way next year. A lot of seniors on the other four tournament teams that will have to reload.
Title: Re: WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 25, 2025, 12:56:26 PM
Post by: Voice of the Titans on March 25, 2025, 12:56:26 PM
It has been a few days, but time to post. Heck of a run by UWO. I've seen a lot of teams in my time (the first game I ever saw was the '96 title game), and there have been many great teams, but I'd say this one was the most fun game in and game out. I don't know if I'll watch a replay of the game, but man, that was a good look at the end. Tip of the hat to the seniors this year, it was a great run. I'd say the WIAC will be fun next year, but it always is.
Also, man was it difficult to find any sort of link to buy Final Four gear. In today's age of QR codes, you'd think you could get a webpage to get anything from hoodies to can koozies.
Also, man was it difficult to find any sort of link to buy Final Four gear. In today's age of QR codes, you'd think you could get a webpage to get anything from hoodies to can koozies.