Can you hear it?
And yes, I still hate DaBash.
DVD pre-orders begin:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=27599
Be careful what you wish for...
Reality is that it very well could be a 10-0 or 9-1 Wabash Squad Vs. a 4-5 or 5-4 Depauw Team. But I still don't expect a repeat of last year's score. Scores like that are so rare in this series, I just don't see it happening in back to back years.
Plus, with the conference limbo dynamic and the fact that the team is struggling a bit this year with youth and experience, I bet every individual related to this team considers this year's Bell Game..... even bigger for the program.
V.O.L. is rented. Can't wait for the men of Depauw to beat down the boyzz of DaBash!
Just booked my flight.
That's going to be a long flight back all hung over and depressed.
Depauw University Ticket distribution announced.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=27703
http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/monon/
http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/monon/2011%20Monon%20Bell%20Fan%20Information.pdf
Not looking good for the Tigers this year, but at least it's at Depauw so nobody has to waste precious hours of life in c-VILE. As with any rivalry, the unexpected is always possible so I'll be thankful the 2-6 Tigers have the "possibility" of beating the 9-0 cavemen. DPU's craptastic record will make the Bell beer twice as delicious if we win. That's all the optimism I can muster for now. Oh, and of course I'm also thankful I never attended dabash.
MY $$$ is on dabash and IF we do win I'll be more than happy to pay out just to touch that Bell again. Been way too long. Nice to see some of the usual suspects trolling this board. Let the "friendly disagreements" begin!
Danny Boy has a good point. With this rivalry, anything can happen. Hopefully the Caveboyzz are looking past Depauw and get blindsided in Greencastle. This is always the game where records don't matter.
I do have to say that I will never put any money on Dabash. I do not believe in anything that backwater college stands for or represents, and would not support it in any way.
You know who says that the records don't matter in a game like this? Fans of the team with a terrible record. These are facts.
Seriously, how do you guys go from a 9-0 playoff team to whatever it is that you call "football" down there this year? How does that happen?
You let me know how you plan to make up 47 points with that club team you've pieced together this year. Take your time. You've still got four weeks to create an answer.
Just received the email notification for tickets to the DePauw game.
Below is a snippet regarding the number of tickets allotted to Wabash and the reasoning behind it. I don't want to rehash the debate regarding the necessity and logic of the policy. Just wondering about the ratio of tickets issued to the visiting school. Does Wabash allocate a similar percentage of tickets to DePauw or does the difference in venue capacity render the question moot?
"When Wabash's allotment of 2,800 tickets is gone, there will be no further ticket sales. Both schools have agreed each year on ticket distribution based on stadium capacity, security, and the desire for all fans to have a seat. Creating a safe, fun environment for players and fans alike has been the joint goal of both Wabash and DePauw."
Silly wally, it's certainly possible for Depauw to "make up 47 points." A miracle, for example. Yes, miracles do happen; just ask any of your own kind that has actually been with a woman. Or perhaps your caveboys will be distracted by the sidelines -- we have real cheerleaders, not dudes in candy-striped overalls (sorry, that jinx club is so lame I couldn't resist stating the obvious). Maybe all we need is Coach Nick to scream "yougottawanna" for old time's sake.
In a way, this is the least I've been concerned about a Bell game in years. Since dabash will be heavily favored, there is no sense in worrying about a loss; instead I'll just anticipate a loss and be euphoric with a win. I'm sure the concept of low expectations is something all wallies can relate to. As a Depauw alum, it's not fun to psychologically prepare for a loss but at least I don't share your concerns about the bank foreclosing on the farm.
When exactly did you guys competely bail out on your team for 2011? Was it after Allegheny or Rhodes? Or was it sometime in the 3rd quarter of last year's game? I'm just curious when it dawned on you all collectively that Wabash is going to own you for, at a bare minimum, 2011 and probably well beyond that. Dig deep and let me know.
I'm not sure "bail out" is the appropriate phrase. Our usual crew will be back this year to support our players and belittle yours like always. "Lose hope" is probably the term you're reaching for. It's the same feeling lil' giants have when they leave job interviews. I think the sense of doom solidified after the loss at Rhodes, though the seed was first planted when Walker "resigned" (but that's another story). If the tables were turned (and maybe they will be next year) and you thought wally-world would win, I'd consider you delusional. As it is, I only consider you misguided.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 14, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
If the tables were turned (and maybe they will be next year)...
I damn near spit out my drink when I read that. Good stuff. Because all signs indicate that Wabash may very well go straight into the tank next year. How epic is DePauw's tank job from 2010 to 2011? There seriously can't be many instances in d3football.com era where a team that hosted a playoff game one year showed up the next year and stunk out loud the way your Tigers do. This could be historic. Let's get somebody on this.
Y'all are going to bring the worst team (on either side) this rivalry has seen since, geez, probably 1995 (yes, it was DPU). Chew on that for a while.
Wow wally_dabash! It sounds like you have never lost at anything, and like you WIN every day. We know that is not the truth. Let us recap where you lost in life:
1. Birth.
2. The day you realized that Morgan and Pat were your parents.
3. Each and evey day in Pre-school, elementary, middle, and high school.
4. The day you chose to attend Dabash Technical Institute of Animal Husbandry.
5. The day you received your degree from Dabash in Interpretive Dance with a minor in Wedding DJ Technician Studies.
6. The day you meet Alex and settled down.
7. Every day you wake up.
The point is wally_dabash, you and all your boyzz can be happy about your amazing football team, but the fact of the matter is they are one and done every year once they get into the playoffs. It must be so exciting for you to know you will be in the playoffs this year and get blown out by some team who is making it to the playoffs for the first time. Up and down years make Depauw a team to watch. Consistant one and done makes Dabash another team's dream for the first round of the playoffs.
The Men of Depauw might not have the best record, but at least they have the determination to improve on what they got. They could not win another game, but you can guarantee they will be up for the Bell. Can you say the same for your caveboyzzzz, or are they looking forward to getting smoked by the Western New England Golden Bears?
It's the same old tired playbook with you guys. You can't talk about the game, you can't come up with anything even remotely original, so you go right back to the same old tired, offensive, reprehensible schtick.
Regarding the playoffs, you're just dead wrong about Wabash being one and done. In fact, your club has gone one and out in the playoffs (twice) more than Wabash has (once). Wabash has suffered some lopsided defeats in the playoffs, sure. It happened in 2002 to national champion Mount Union, who actually had larger MOVs over their semifinal and final opponents than they did Wabash. It happened in 2007, also in the regional final btw, to Whitewater, also a national champion. It happened in 2008 vs. Wheaton, who went on to win the north region that year. The one time Wabash did lose in the first round was in 2009, which was a double OT game at the CCIW champion. Hardly an embarrassment.
Can't talk about the game? What do you think I was doing dabash? Try to keep up here. Depauw will be up for the Bell. With each loss, the Bell game means more and more to Depauw. With each win Dabash looks forward to getting waxed in the playoffs. No matter what the record, it will be a good game.
No worries about only 2800 allocations - predict approximately 4500 sudden vacancies on the home side of Blackstock zucchini stand and cow pasture by halftime. Lottery slots for on-campus,
Biggest Loser auditions may be a more entertaining venue for feline fans by mid-afternoon.
DePauw to Hell-
2011, Again No BellQuoteNo matter what the record, it will be a good game
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Yes Sir, 'Boar, and in agreement right up until last year when DPU's "Team for the Ages" and fans
QUIT in front of 11,000 spectators and a national TV audience. Rather than engaging in inane banter, perhaps refocused vitriol and your polished prose aimed at your own might be appropriate? Cups - not just for Zima or Bud Light. Think I'd be more concerned about your match on the Cumberland Plateau this weekend - Sewanee giving points to mighty DePauw? Hiram or Kenyon next year? Please say it isn't so... :-\
Danny fans will have to stop in Fincastle on the way back from C'ville. It's hard to drive with that many tears in your eyes.
42 days and counting since DePauw won a football game. Zero offensive touchdowns today. You guys keep telling yourself that they'll figure something out before 11/12.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 14, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 14, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
If the tables were turned (and maybe they will be next year)...
Y'all are going to bring the worst team (on either side) this rivalry has seen since, geez, probably 1995 (yes, it was DPU). Chew on that for a while.
I acknowledge this observation, and it might even be accurate considering the 30-7 loss today. But you forgot to mention that the next year was the beginning of DePauw's most recent 5 year run. You're only as good as your last back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back Bell victory.
I acknowledge this observation, and it might even be accurate considering the 30-7 loss today. But you forgot to mention that the next year was the beginning of DePauw's most recent 5 year run. You're only as good as your last back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back Bell victory.
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Danny Boy - you just may have called our shot for us. Wabash is on a two-year roll and another two wins is not unlikely (2011 is going to be a beat down of biblical proportions and 2012 looks to be another reload year for Wabash). That brings us to the fall of 2013 on a four year winning streak and ready to take the 5th. By then DePauw will have had another coach or two on the ride called the Head Coach Carousel with a roster full of players recruited during this stellar 2 - 7 season (if you are lucky).
FYI - The record is seven straight wins, held by Wabash.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 17, 2011, 05:09:26 PM
I acknowledge this observation, and it might even be accurate considering the 30-7 loss today. But you forgot to mention that the next year was the beginning of DePauw's most recent 5 year run. You're only as good as your last back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back Bell victory.
Danny Boy - you just may have called our shot for us. Wabash is on a two-year roll and another two wins is not unlikely (2011 is going to be a beat down of biblical proportions and 2012 looks to be another reload year for Wabash). That brings us to the fall of 2013 on a four year winning streak and ready to take the 5th. By then DePauw will have had another coach or two on the ride called the Head Coach Carousel with a roster full of players recruited during this stellar 2 - 7 season (if you are lucky).
FYI - The record is seven straight wins, held by Wabash.
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Apparently the point of my previous posting flew right past you. I'll concede that Wabash will be the favorite by game time, but I wouldn't start ordering your commemorative dynasty tampons just yet. Talk to me after a modern-era class of wallies enters your storied boys' home with the Bell waiting and manages to protect it all 4 years. Wally world hasn't had 5 consecutive wins since '54 unless you count ties, which I don't. If you like counting ties, then I guess DPU holds the consecutive bell record with 10. As '95/'96 proves, the script can flip rather abruptly. In a rivalry game, I'd rather play against a cocky 9-0 team than losing team with something to prove.
You are right Danny Boy, them Caveboyzz know all about cocky.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=27740
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Yes Sir, 'Boar, and in agreement right up until last year when DPU's "Team for the Ages" and fans QUIT in front of 11,000 spectators and a national TV audience. Rather than engaging in inane banter, perhaps refocused vitriol and your polished prose aimed at your own might be appropriate? Cups - not just for Zima or Bud Light. Think I'd be more concerned about your match on the Cumberland Plateau this weekend - Sewanee giving points to mighty DePauw? Hiram or Kenyon next year? Please say it isn't so... :-\
Your memory is apparently shaky. The same thing happened in 2008 at your place -- the W fans bolted early having seen enough of the slaughter. Maybe you guys are closet Zima lovers?
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 18, 2011, 07:39:01 PM
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Yes Sir, 'Boar, and in agreement right up until last year when DPU's "Team for the Ages" and fans QUIT in front of 11,000 spectators and a national TV audience. ...
Your memory is apparently shaky. The same thing happened in 2008 at your place -- the W fans bolted early having seen enough of the slaughter. Maybe you guys are closet Zima lovers?
Maybe there are differing opinions of what it means to have "bolted," but even down by 23 points late in the third quarter of the 2008 game, the stands look pretty packed to me. ;)
All I know is that Southside Liquors better have their hidden stockpile of Zima chilled and ready to go for the long drive south. I think any cops that pull you over in Parkersburg will laugh at the sight of open containers of said beverage.
Silly Caveboyzz, everyone knows that Zima stopped production in 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zima
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Yes Sir, 'Boar, and in agreement right up until last year when DPU's "Team for the Ages" and fans QUIT in front of 11,000 spectators and a national TV audience. ...
Your memory is apparently shaky. The same thing happened in 2008 at your place -- the W fans bolted early having seen enough of the slaughter. Maybe you guys are closet Zima lovers?
Maybe there are differing opinions of what it means to have "bolted," but even down by 23 points late in the third quarter of the 2008 game, the stands look pretty packed to me. ;)
Ryan, looking at your picture there appears to be a lot of black and gold in those stands. Could it be there were closet Depauw fans on dabash side?
More likely Purdue - tiller misdirection southbound from Ross-Ade ;)
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Yes Sir, 'Boar, and in agreement right up until last year when DPU's "Team for the Ages" and fans QUIT in front of 11,000 spectators and a national TV audience. ...
Your memory is apparently shaky. The same thing happened in 2008 at your place -- the W fans bolted early having seen enough of the slaughter. Maybe you guys are closet Zima lovers?
Maybe there are differing opinions of what it means to have "bolted," but even down by 23 points late in the third quarter of the 2008 game, the stands look pretty packed to me. ;)
I don't see a clock in that shot, but my DVD of the game shows a steady evacuation as it became clear Hudson & Co. weren't showing up. You've also got to factor in weather -- last year was the most miserable Bell-day weather in years, and if the shoe was on the other foot, you would've been outta there, too (I mean, we didn't even nick the red zone and the car has heat). That said, I was there 'til the bitter end. Why? Ask my shrink. :)
Yup 1837, that was probably the most miserable all-around Bell game for DPU fans I've attended. Between the expectations, the weather, and worst of all the score, I was ready to grab a hose and redirect the exhaust into our RV. But then I remembered that if we off ourselves, the wallies get another win. Short-lived option.
Stood there the whole game, soaked, wondering "WTF is this about?" Apparently our guys forgot that the Bell game is always a must-win. Maybe the team became complacent; I'm hoping dabash does the same. So yeah, I did see our fans start to evacuate the premises which twisted the knife a bit more. But that horrendous loss is actually an example of why I love Monon. The game can be an anomoly for perfect and piss-poor seasons. Everyone on this thread knows that weird sh*t happens in the last game every fall. In '99 we started out 1-6 and still managed to win the Bell. It's a luxury that DePauw and that boys' home up north share a game that can redeem (or destroy) a season.
I have no idea what is up with the program. I knew we'd miss Spud and Koors but the offense is absolutely abysmal. We lose 30-7 to Sewanee and our only score was a kick return?! I like that Kirtley has been starting and he might develop just enough to give us a fighting chance next month. No, he won't single-handedly unearth the Tigers. But he might elevate the passing game so our defense doesn't spend so much time on the field.
Is the game going to be on any major TV network this year?
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 19, 2011, 09:48:09 PM
Stood there the whole game, soaked, wondering "WTF is this about?" Apparently our guys forgot that the Bell game is always a must-win. Maybe the team became complacent; I'm hoping dabash does the same. So yeah, I did see our fans start to evacuate the premises which twisted the knife a bit more. But that horrendous loss is actually an example of why I love Monon. The game can be an anomoly for perfect and piss-poor seasons. Everyone on this thread knows that weird sh*t happens in the last game every fall. In '99 we started out 1-6 and still managed to win the Bell. It's a luxury that DePauw and that boys' home up north share a game that can redeem (or destroy) a season.
I hear you. 2008 was much the same way for us. Additionally, the anticipation (specter) of the playoffs seems to have impacted the game in unexpected ways. Many on this board have debated that question. Now that DPU is coming into the NCAC, this game will get nothing but bigger and give us even more reasons to hate each other. Here's to many competitive games in the future - makes winning ever sweeter. Hooo waah.
Quote from: CruFrenzy on October 19, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
Is the game going to be on any major TV network this year?
The game will be carried on HDNet again this year. Not a major network by any imagination but it is carried by the satellite networks (Dish and DirecTV) and many cable systems. The schools also host telecast parties in cities across the US. You can find these events listed on the Wabash and DePauw websites.
Okay thankyou very much!
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 19, 2011, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 19, 2011, 09:48:09 PM
Stood there the whole game, soaked, wondering "WTF is this about?" Apparently our guys forgot that the Bell game is always a must-win. Maybe the team became complacent; I'm hoping dabash does the same. So yeah, I did see our fans start to evacuate the premises which twisted the knife a bit more. But that horrendous loss is actually an example of why I love Monon. The game can be an anomoly for perfect and piss-poor seasons. Everyone on this thread knows that weird sh*t happens in the last game every fall. In '99 we started out 1-6 and still managed to win the Bell. It's a luxury that DePauw and that boys' home up north share a game that can redeem (or destroy) a season.
I hear you. 2008 was much the same way for us. Additionally, the anticipation (specter) of the playoffs seems to have impacted the game in unexpected ways. Many on this board have debated that question. Now that DPU is coming into the NCAC, this game will get nothing but bigger and give us even more reasons to hate each other. Here's to many competitive games in the future - makes winning ever sweeter. Hooo waah.
Can you imagine the scenario in which a Bell game where Depauw/Dabash have both the NCAC Championship and the playoffs riding on a win? BEST GAME EVER. The level of play and hatred would be through the roof. It is almost scary to think of that situation. Or even the other end of the spectrum, where one team will win the NCAC/Playoff Bid, but just has to get past a substandard Bell competitor who has nothing to lose. We could see the second scenario this season. The NCAC is about to get real interesting.
Although seeing many of the fans leaving (On both sides, depending on the year) before the game is over, bothers me, I feel that many of these people headed to the lots are missing out.
The Monon Bell game is the last organized football game that many of the players ever get to experience (It was for me). It is the last time they will go through the pre-game ritual, the last time they put on the pads, and the last time they play to represent their school, their team, family, and themselves. Seeing the players on the field after the Monon game is something that you do not see very often in life. It is a collective end to a portion of many players' lives as they have known it since they were 6 or 7. You also see the younger players and how they react and get that spark that helps motivate the next generation of players.
I know the score means a lot in this game, but the game itself is something special that impacts every guy on the field. Seeing how the players react after the game is lost on those people who are headed to the lot. There is also an opportunity to interact with the coaches and players after most of the crowd has headed out. Even though the DMZ exists during the game, the fences do come down afterwards, and the cops will let you go on the field. Over the years I have had a chance to speak with coaches, meet players and their parents, and to congratulate those who have won.
Yeah, it bugs me that people leave early, but I also know that by staying late, you get to see that something extra that makes Monon so special.
My god. He said something that makes sense. There's may be hope for you yet, Bear. Well said, indeed.
Agreed Bear. That's why it's so amazing. In one fact pattern you could have two good teams fighting for a playoff berth. In another fact pattern you could have a 9-0 playoff locked team vs an 0-9 team with a suicide bomber mentality. That second scenario is especially frightening for the favored team -- the underdog team activates "kamikaze mode" b/c there is nothing more to lose and they just want to vent there frustration against their arch rival. The underdog can be a dangerous pest, so I guess that's what we'll hang out hats on this year.
Might be in the minority, but I hope Coach Long has told the guys that the season is over except for 1 game against dabash. A couple Saturday "scrimmages" and weekday practices but nothing more, so they might as well prepare for their last game. What have you done to beat wabash today?
For the Wabash Faithful the football team has requested that our fans be decked out in ALL WHITE to show solidarity with their road whites in our joint effort to WHITE OUT the Dannies. Be sure to spread the word to all in the Wabash Community who will be attending this year's slaughter....
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 20, 2011, 03:03:06 PM
My god. He said something that makes sense. There's may be hope for you yet, Bear. Well said, indeed.
It all makes sense, depending on which side you are on.
Unfortunately for DPU, Wabash already had its wake-up call with Oberlin. So I can guarantee there will be a concerted effort to make sure DPU finishes 1-8. Yes, I went there. Enjoy the Hiram-esque record....
Smed, that record projection might offend me if I didn't agree with you. That's okay, there's a 300 lb chalice that can completely salvage a 1-8 season.
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
DPU has 0-6 Austin on the schedule too.
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2011, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
DPU has 0-6 Austin on the schedule too.
You guys are really putting dents in our hope a horrible Depauw goes into Monon to beat dabash. With your math, we might be .500.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 20, 2011, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2011, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
DPU has 0-6 Austin on the schedule too.
You guys are really putting dents in our hope a horrible Depauw goes into Monon to beat dabash. With your math, we might be .500.
I hope we don't expose any of our secret weapons agaisnt OWU or Austin ::) This is a transition year anyway, so let's scrap the next 3 while scheming ways to get past the wally defense.
So what is everyone's favorite/despised Monon play? I'm only going to include plays witnessed since my arrival at DePauw (fall '97) so I'd have to go with the '99 McGuffey bomb TD (he was probably our fastest player and we knew he was endzone-bound as soon as he snagged that beautiful arching spiral) or the Havercamp 47 yd fieldgoal as time expired. The most horrific play I ever saw was the Hail Mary in '01. That still makes me ill.
And if it were a category, I'd label the '00 "grenade toss" as the "best intentional penalty" in rivalry history ;)
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PM
This is a transition year anyway, so let's scrap the next 3 while scheming ways to get past the wally defense.
Really? A transition to what exactly?
Danny Boy, B Bear
Hope all is well. Will arrive Friday evening into Indy. No RV this year. 84 grad will have a tent set up in lower lot with plenty of food and drink. Look forward to seeing you guys. I am assuming you will have same RV venue as always. Will look for you on Friday night in the Peeler lot. Joe
Join the Movement. We Fight in White on 11/12/11 in Greencastle. #occupydepauw
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Quote from: Danny Boy on October 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 20, 2011, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2011, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 20, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Ah, but Danny Boy, that'd be a 2-7 record...
Which I could see if you beat OWU this week... ;)
DPU has 0-6 Austin on the schedule too.
You guys are really putting dents in our hope a horrible Depauw goes into Monon to beat dabash. With your math, we might be .500.
I hope we don't expose any of our secret weapons agaisnt OWU or Austin ::) This is a transition year anyway, so let's scrap the next 3 while scheming ways to get past the wally defense.
So what is everyone's favorite/despised Monon play? I'm only going to include plays witnessed since my arrival at DePauw (fall '97) so I'd have to go with the '99 McGuffey bomb TD (he was probably our fastest player and we knew he was endzone-bound as soon as he snagged that beautiful arching spiral) or the Havercamp 47 yd fieldgoal as time expired. The most horrific play I ever saw was the Hail Mary in '01. That still makes me ill.
And if it were a category, I'd label the '00 "grenade toss" as the "best intentional penalty" in rivalry history ;)
The most despised plays: By DePauw - Havercamp's field goal; By Wabash - dropped TD pass in last seconds of game in 1974 loss to DePauw 15-12 (first Monon Bell game that I attended)
Favorite play: Would have to be the 2001 Hail Mary (though I did not see that one in person); a close second would be the annual stealing of the Tiger Tail and running across the field to the Wabash side. The DPU mascot stopped wearing a tail sometime in the late 70's (at least at Monon Bell games). Now, I think Wabash would either suspend or kick out of school anyone who pulled a stunt like that. Times change but at least the game has stayed the same.
Quote from: Fripp52 on October 21, 2011, 05:05:22 PM
Danny Boy, B Bear
Hope all is well. Will arrive Friday evening into Indy. No RV this year. 84 grad will have a tent set up in lower lot with plenty of food and drink. Look forward to seeing you guys. I am assuming you will have same RV venue as always. Will look for you on Friday night in the Peeler lot. Joe
Joe, looking forward to it. We should arrive before sundown on Friday and we'll be aiming for our usual spot. Have a safe voyage.
Sorry to hear about the RV. You traveling alone?
My favorite play? It could be when coach Nick took out an effective senior RB after the first quarter (was it David Schubert?) during one of the Snow Bowl games to put in his regular starter, and Wabash made an incredible goal line stand and won. Was that 1995?
Oh, and any time Wabash is in the victory formation in the Bell game. Those are my favorite plays!
ahhhh....I hop on in mid-Monon form here. Seems like I'm just in time. Wally Wabash refers to the same old story himself. Three posts later I see something about DePauw's women being on Biggest Loser....same talk, different year. Meanwhile, most other Wallies claim that DPU women came to an all-male school on weekends to play tummy sticks. Still haven't met one DPU chick that wants to admit that claim. Just another year it seems like to me.
Let's talk football. Yeah, the matchup appears to be one sided, no doubt. Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Quote from: Fripp52 on October 21, 2011, 05:05:22 PM
Danny Boy, B Bear
Hope all is well. Will arrive Friday evening into Indy. No RV this year. 84 grad will have a tent set up in lower lot with plenty of food and drink. Look forward to seeing you guys. I am assuming you will have same RV venue as always. Will look for you on Friday night in the Peeler lot. Joe
Can't wait to see you Fripp. We should have the same crew, in the same spot this year. Stop on over.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
ahhhh....I hop on in mid-Monon form here. Seems like I'm just in time. Wally Wabash refers to the same old story himself. Three posts later I see something about DePauw's women being on Biggest Loser....same talk, different year. Meanwhile, most other Wallies claim that DPU women came to an all-male school on weekends to play tummy sticks. Still haven't met one DPU chick that wants to admit that claim. Just another year it seems like to me.
Let's talk football. Yeah, the matchup appears to be one sided, no doubt. Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
There are no ladies at Dabash.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Yeah, that afternoon sucked. Probably didn't suck quite as bad as having your undefeated season blow up 47-0. Wabash has never taken a beatin' like that in this game, so we wouldn't know what that kind of embarrassment is like.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Yeah, that afternoon sucked. Probably didn't suck quite as bad as having your undefeated season blow up 47-0. Wabash has never taken a beatin' like that in this game, so we wouldn't know what that kind of embarrassment is like.
Really? Just look in the mirror.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Yeah, that afternoon sucked. Probably didn't suck quite as bad as having your undefeated season blow up 47-0. Wabash has never taken a beatin' like that in this game, so we wouldn't know what that kind of embarrassment is like.
The flaw of '98 was being considerate and letting the wallies on the board instead of cranking it up to 49. I suppose the fans made up for that overpayment of consideration immediately after the game.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 21, 2011, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Yeah, that afternoon sucked. Probably didn't suck quite as bad as having your undefeated season blow up 47-0. Wabash has never taken a beatin' like that in this game, so we wouldn't know what that kind of embarrassment is like.
Really? Just look in the mirror.
As an outsider (who visited both campuses before going to IWU), this is my early nominee for 'lamest comeback of the year'.
Come on, bear - I enjoy the hell out of this thread. You can do better than that! :P
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2011, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 21, 2011, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Yeah, that afternoon sucked. Probably didn't suck quite as bad as having your undefeated season blow up 47-0. Wabash has never taken a beatin' like that in this game, so we wouldn't know what that kind of embarrassment is like.
Really? Just look in the mirror.
As an outsider (who visited both campuses before going to IWU), this is my early nominee for 'lamest comeback of the year'.
Come on, bear - I enjoy the hell out of this thread. You can do better than that! :P
Mr. Ypsi,
Thank you for making sure that my posts are according to your standard. I was going to type the same response to wally_dabash that I did back on October 14th (See, Reply #16), but he already knows that stuff.
Just to satisfy you:
Wally_dabash, you have experienced that kind of embarrassment many time during your life. Let us recap:
1. Birth.
2. The day you realized that Morgan and Pat were your parents.
3. Each and every day in Pre-school, elementary, middle, and high school.
4. The day you chose to attend Dabash Technical Institute of Animal Husbandry.
5. The day you received your degree from Dabash in Interpretive Dance with a minor in Wedding DJ Technician Studies.
6. The day you meet Alex and settled down.
7. Every day you wake up.
Mr. Ypsi, I hope that withdraws my comment from 'lamest comeback of the year' nomination. If you would like, I can send all posts to you before they are posted.
Sweet Jesus, not only is that still lame and reprehensible, you've already used that same post. This year. You are just awful at this.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2011, 08:58:29 PM
Sweet Jesus, not only is that still lame and reprehensible, you've already used that same post. This year. You are just awful at this.
Let me catch you up Wally_dabash. You ready? You got someone with you to help you figure this out? Want to take notes?
So you make some comment about blah, blah, blah, Dabash, blah, blah, caveboyzzzz, blah, embarrassment. In response, I try to help you understand what embarrassment feels like by telling you to look in a mirror. Why? Because mirrors are everywhere, even in doublewides, and this is possibly the easiest way for you to understand the concept.
You still there dabash, or do I need to slow down?
Mr. Ypsi apparently didn't like the help I was trying to provide, so he commented on my simple post. In order to satisfy Mr. Ypsi's need for a cheap thrill, I provided him with information I had previously posted about your life.
Still got you dabash? Any problems with any of the bigger words?
I had no need to retell you these things, because you already know Wally_dabash. I was merely helping Mr. Ypsi get up to speed on your embarrassments, i.e. your life.
Got it? Probably not, and here comes the standard blah, blah, same old tired playbook, blah, blah, blah, reprehensible schtick, blah, blah, Dabash.
Cripes, if you have to make it personal about one person, then you've got no material. That's so sad...
Quote from: wallyworld12 on October 21, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
Join the Movement. We Fight in White on 11/12/11 in Greencastle. #occupydepauw
http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyDePauw
This is a fantastic idea! Just wear the red caps and you'll really resemble the tampons you are!
On another note, it's interesting that the plays we seem to despise the most occured in the same decade. Maybe this thread needs some more old-timers.
Brb, a rerun does NOT satisfy me. After your great post #38, I was counting on more!
(And you have the temporary advantage - Wally_Wabash has my Titans losing to NCC by 16.5! With that margin, pickers are streaming to IWU; personally, I have IWU winning even straight up.)
Don't blow it while you're ahead! ;D
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 21, 2011, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 21, 2011, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 21, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Though we had more wins, kind of reminds me of 1998 when DaBash simply needed just 1 more win to complete an undefeated storied season and cruise into the playoffs. How'd that work out?? Stunned at the half...35-0, crushed by a final of 42-7. Let's assume nothing in this game, nothing in this rivalry. Looking forward to seeing you ladies in mid-November
Yeah, that afternoon sucked. Probably didn't suck quite as bad as having your undefeated season blow up 47-0. Wabash has never taken a beatin' like that in this game, so we wouldn't know what that kind of embarrassment is like.
Really? Just look in the mirror.
As an outsider (who visited both campuses before going to IWU), this is my early nominee for 'lamest comeback of the year'.
Come on, bear - I enjoy the hell out of this thread. You can do better than that! :P
Mr. Ypsi, good to have you on this thread. Bear means no harm (to you), he sometimes gets agitated b/c a handful of wallies attempted to sexually assualt his brother. And of course we harbor the utmost disdain for anything in red and white -- the aftermath colors of a rape scene. I've seen your posts in the past and always respect your insight. Outsiders are certainly welcome here as we can appreciate a non-biased voice. However, should you elect to be biased, the Dannies appreciate your support ;) All propaganda aside, what made you choose IWU over DePauw University and the Crawfordsville Home for Misunderstood Boys?
this is the first time since 1995 that DePauw is headed for a record under .500 - so the comment that 'congrats on the Oberlin-esque record' - whatever....
what's lost here is that both of these teams have come into the Monon Bell game with outstanding the records the past 15 years. Several factors make the Monon Bell the country's most unique game, but the success of these teams, with playoff berths on the line, etc., have added to the intensity, both in the stands and on the field. There are no excuses for DPU's 1-4 record, none. Quite honestly, it makes me sick. The only comparison between DePauw and DeBash is that Robby Long is DePauw's version of former DeBash coach Greg Carlson. Having some issues in the big games....
The playoffs are fantastic - don't get me wrong, but it's ALL bout the Bell. Neither of these teams can't match the talent of Mt. Union or Whitewater.
However, all of this being said, any of you Wallies who think that the Bell is automatically headed back to Crawfordsville simply based on records, then you haven't been fully introduced to what makes this a rivalry.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 22, 2011, 12:18:09 AM
The only comparison between DePauw and DeBash is that Robby Long is DePauw's version of former DeBash coach Greg Carlson. Having some issues in the big games....
I'm going to suggest you take Greg Carlson's name out your mouth. He won 112 games at Wabash, is in the Hall of Fame, and had just one single losing season (4-5 in 1990) in 18 seasons. When Robby Long gets anywhere near those kinds of accomplishments, then you can draw comparisons. Not before.
Irish:
No need to remind us that the records don't mean anything in this game. One of the consistencies of this rivalry has been the fact the underdog seems to have won an inordinate number of times. This year, however, is not going to be one of those times. It is important to remember that this year's Senior class were Freshmen in 2008 and they experienced first-hand what it feels like to lose to DePauw after coming in with very high expectations. Additionally, IF Wabash comes into the game undefeated, the Little Giants will be playing for a home field playoff game as well as the Bell. Having lost their first playoff game two years ago at Illinois Wesleyan, they know what is at stake.
The biggest thing in Wabash's favor this year is DePauw's complete collapse on the football field. It has been many years since either team has come into this game with such a dismal record and repeatedly poor on-field performance. While the statistics alone don't determine a winner, the numbers below speak for themselves:
DEPAUW TEAM STATS - Year to Date (2011 NCAA rank)
Per-Game Category for DePauw
Scoring offense 12.8 (221)
Rushing offense 113.6 (183)
Passing offense 190.0 (121)
Team Pass Efficiency 88.77 (215)
Total offense 303.6 (180)
Scoring defense 21.6 (92)
Rushing defense 120.8 (66)
Passing defense 208.2 (155)
Pass eff. defense 127.15 (151)
Total defense 329.0 (93)
Despite the above, the Bell Game has and, I hope, always will bring out the best in both schools. That being said, I am hoping for a good game and expecting a Wabash win.
Lastly, what is it with DePauw and your school's obsession with "the Bell" series? Who gives a flip which team has won the Bell more times? The series is 117 years old. Just because we play for a bell now does not mean that either school has been trying harder to win since it was introduced back in the 30's. Wabash leads the overall series and will extend that lead in a few weeks. Soon, even the worthless title of leading "The Monon Bell Series" will no longer be yours to crow about and the dust will continue to collect on the shelf high on the wall of the Lilly Pad where the bell once stood so long ago.
DePauw to hell, we'll keep the Bell.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on October 22, 2011, 01:41:33 AM
Lastly, what is it with DePauw and your school's obsession with "the Bell" series? Who gives a flip which team has won the Bell more times? The series is 117 years old. Just because we play for a bell now does not mean that either school has been trying harder to win since it was introduced back in the 30's. Wabash leads the overall series and will extend that lead in a few weeks. Soon, even the worthless title of leading "The Monon Bell Series" will no longer be yours to crow about and the dust will continue to collect on the shelf high on the wall of the Lilly Pad where the bell once stood so long ago.
I believe that when Irish mentions "the Bell," he's referencing the rivalry in it's entirety as that is what the game is now called. Beating dabash is always DePauw's top priority regardless of the trophy. But yes, us Dannies do possess a sense of ownership as we provided the Bell it's first and most frequent home. I'm sure IF dabash ever takes the lead in that particular stat, they will certainly "give a flip." Oh, and that Lilly shelf has already been collecting dust for about a decade as the Bell's DePauw accomodations were upgraded long ago.
Obviously the trophy itself doesn't make DePauw/dabash the best rivalry, but I would argue that a locomotive bell is a much better prize than a jug or a pair of clogs. It's makes a sound that can be heard 1000 yds away (love that sound) and makes beer taste even better. No disrespect to RPI or Union, but I can't imagine talking trash about "the Shoe" game. ???
In regards to the comments about obsessions with the Bell series - DannyBoy was right. The mere fact that that is what it is referred to and called is where I was going. We don't have to play for a thing. The fact that I see the boys in pink lined up across from me with the W on the helmet is all I need. However, the Bell, as previously mentioned, is just another one of the 100 ways that makes the game and the rivalry unique.
Hokie - thanks for reminding me of how dismal and flat our offense has become. I can care less that the senior class lost the Bell game and it cost you a first round home playoff game. Over the last even 5 years, we've ended your threat of having a 10-0 season, I believe on 3 occasions without specifically checking. So, pick a year, this game can crush dreams on either side - I'd prefer it'd be yours.
Quote from: smedindy on October 21, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
Cripes, if you have to make it personal about one person, then you've got no material. That's so sad...
Personal? You boyzz are all the same. Your #occupydepauw and white out are just recent examples. Just look around your all white, chocked full of boyzzz stands on the 12th and tell me there is no difference between you smedindy and wally_dabash.
I am just amazed that your subpar institution of Pool Cabana maintenance didn't think it through before it decided to send a bunch of pseudo-privileged technical institute boyzzz in pickups and trailers to head south in an effort to "WHITE OUT the dannies", who will be wearing the traditional Monon Black uni. Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? This is 2011 Dabash, time to pull it out of the dark ages.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 22, 2011, 12:50:28 AM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 22, 2011, 12:18:09 AM
The only comparison between DePauw and DeBash is that Robby Long is DePauw's version of former DeBash coach Greg Carlson. Having some issues in the big games....
I'm going to suggest you take Greg Carlson's name out your mouth. He won 112 games at Wabash, is in the Hall of Fame, and had just one single losing season (4-5 in 1990) in 18 seasons. When Robby Long gets anywhere near those kinds of accomplishments, then you can draw comparisons. Not before.
Why? Because you want him in yours?
Fact of the matter is Long was never supposed to be a head coach. He was put into the roll after Walker departed. Walker was the ideal "lifetime" head coach. He grew up in Crawfordberg, went to Depauw, and played in some great games against Dabash. He knew the importance of the traditions and game. Due to the politics that surround the educational aspects of Universities he was forced to leave. Robby was not a long term answer, and his record continues to show that he still is not the answer.
However, this does not mean that Depauw has thrown in the towel. This game means a lot more to the players to let it slip away because of a bad record. Depauw will be up for the game. And if the dabash caveboyzzz are anything like the posters on this board, they will be looking past Depauw.
QuoteI am just amazed that your subpar institution of Pool Cabana maintenance didn't think it through before it decided to send a bunch of pseudo-privileged technical institute boyzzz in pickups and trailers to head south in an effort to "WHITE OUT the dannies", who will be wearing the traditional Monon Black uni. Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? This is 2011 Dabash, time to pull it out of the dark ages.
See bear, this is much better! You didn't pick on individuals, but the group as a whole. All you need is bring up sheep or load it with standard-issue homophobia and it'd be almost perfect Monon Bell trolling! I give it 7 out of 10.
Looks like we may have solved the QB carousel. The remainder of the season could get really interesting. I can see the headline now: "wabash awaiting big dose of Seaman"
Homophobia? What makes you think we're afraid of you homos?
i've also seen DPU teams get off to terrible starts (1999 - 1-5 start), but finally start clicking, overcoming injuries and peaking in time for the Bell game (21-7 DPU that year to finish 5-5)
So, there's still a few weeks of football left to get ready for the pink and white.
DPU has recruited QBs of late that seem to fit well into DeBash culture - Dick and Seaman....hmmmm, just sayin'
Quote from: smedindy on October 22, 2011, 01:50:44 PM
QuoteI am just amazed that your subpar institution of Pool Cabana maintenance didn't think it through before it decided to send a bunch of pseudo-privileged technical institute boyzzz in pickups and trailers to head south in an effort to "WHITE OUT the dannies", who will be wearing the traditional Monon Black uni. Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong? This is 2011 Dabash, time to pull it out of the dark ages.
See bear, this is much better! You didn't pick on individuals, but the group as a whole. All you need is bring up sheep or load it with standard-issue homophobia and it'd be almost perfect Monon Bell trolling! I give it 7 out of 10.
Smedindy you need to make up your mind. At first I am supposedly saying things too personal. Then I am making it too general. Now you want me to make it about your relationships and lifestyle. You need to pick a theme and go with it.
You just keep on keepin' on with your hate speech, Bear. The more you post, the worse you look.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 22, 2011, 12:19:18 PM
And if the dabash caveboyzzz are anything like the posters on this board, they will be looking past Depauw.
Right, idiot. They'll look past the friggin' Monon Bell game. You better wish for something else.
Quote from: BashDad on October 22, 2011, 07:21:05 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 22, 2011, 12:19:18 PM
And if the dabash caveboyzzz are anything like the posters on this board, they will be looking past Depauw.
Right, idiot. They'll look past the friggin' Monon Bell game. You better wish for something else.
Welcome to the party, GashDad. Perhaps Alzheimer's is setting in; your wallies apparently looked past the Bell game as recently as '08.
So when you lose the Bell Game it has to be because a team looked past it? There can be no other reason? I don't think it works that way, DB.
I don't look forward to the next three weeks. The conversation is going to stay a healthy distance from actual football talk--you know, because why invite further clarification on why and how much y'all suck? Instead, we're going to hear a billion little cries into the universe of "throw out the records" and "the pressure's entirely on Wabash" and "this is Depauw's championship game" and "look at 1996" or "look at 2008" or "look how gay you are" blah, blah, blah. It's all just noise; an attempt to fill the massive, gaping wound of inferiority that you're going to strut in to Blackstock with in 20 days.
Depauw is going to lose and not by 7 or 14 or a field goal at the last second. It's going to be ugly. Like We'll-Be-Here-On-Monday-Talking-About-Whether-Or-Not-The-Last-Touchdown-Was-Classless Ugly.
You don't have the horses, man. You don't have a quarterback (holy grossman, batman, how many have you PLAYED this year?), a run game, or a defense. You don't have a coach who has engendered any kind of big-game confidence, nor--more importantly-- proven he can scheme to protect his team's weaknesses (to say nothing of scoring zero points in his first bell game and giving up 47. In a GOOD year. With a PLAYOFF team).
Your program is gasping for air and your players are not good and your coach is so good that fans of the team are saying things like "he didn't ASK to be head coach, cut him some slack." You guys are in sooooooooo much effing trouble.
But, you know, keep talking.
Quote from: BashDad on October 23, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
I don't look forward to the next three weeks. The conversation is going to stay a healthy distance from actual football talk--you know, because why invite further clarification on why and how much y'all suck? Instead, we're going to hear a billion little cries into the universe of "throw out the records" and "the pressure's entirely on Wabash" and "this is Depauw's championship game" and "look at 1996" or "look at 2008" or "look how gay you are" blah, blah, blah. It's all just noise; an attempt to fill the massive, gaping wound of inferiority that you're going to strut in to Blackstock with in 20 days.
Depauw is going to lose and not by 7 or 14 or a field goal at the last second. It's going to be ugly. Like We'll-Be-Here-On-Monday-Talking-About-Whether-Or-Not-The-Last-Touchdown-Was-Classless Ugly.
You don't have the horses, man. You don't have a quarterback (holy grossman, batman, how many have you PLAYED this year?), a run game, or a defense. You don't have a coach who has engendered any kind of big-game confidence, nor--more importantly-- proven he can scheme to protect his team's weaknesses (to say nothing of scoring zero points in his first bell game and giving up 47. In a GOOD year. With a PLAYOFF team).
Your program is gasping for air and your players are not good and your coach is so good that fans of the team are saying things like "he didn't ASK to be head coach, cut him some slack." You guys are in sooooooooo much effing trouble.
But, you know, keep talking.
I don't have a dog in the fight over the game, so I'm not taking sides, but this is one of the most well-written posts I have seen on the boards in a long time. If anyone ever started a new topic called "How to Write a Good Post" this would be the prime example. +k
Here's what I think I know based on watching a lot of Bell games. Anything can happen. Last year, DPU comes in undefeated and headed to the playoffs. Wabash takes them apart. Several years ago, turn that around. What happens in those games when one team looks clearly superior and the other wins, sometimes easily? I've thought for a long time that there's some weird psychological goings on deep down with the playoff team. No matter how much the rivalry matters, no matter where the game is played, one team knows it's going to play next week--deep down. Something happens. Last year, DPU was totally outclassed by a Wabash team that the week before at Witt was just awful (or at least semi=awful), even given that Witt was very good defensively in particular. The name calling and comparing seasons doesn't matter. It is possible that this year, if Wabash gets through the next two weeks, at Allegheny where any weather is possible (even their turf doesn't totally protect against late-October weather in Meadville), and v. Wittenberg and the develping, or already developed, rivalry there, and with Witt having a bye week before coming toC'ville, that a playoff bound Bash takes on a DPU having nothing remaining but a Bell win. For me, it's scary. Yes, Wabash should win, even if they lose a game between now and then. In fact, losing might make the win more probable-though I don't wish for that. I also don't discount a chopped up Blackstop field, if the grass there takes a beating from practice and the home game the previous week, what with Wabash playing on turf almost all year. Bear, what's with the vitriol: some Wabash guy steal your girlfriend, take a job away? Jeez. Maybe talking football for a change would be good therapy.
sigma one -
Totally agree..... The Bell Game has proven itself to be as much, if not more, a mental game as it has been a physical one. The whole playoff element has only added another dynamic. Next year, the perfect storm of Bell, Playoff & Conference Championship may/will all be on the line in some form for each team.
There is so much made of this game, and we have to remember we are still dealing with young, emotional student athletes. Anything can truly happen. I don't care about what anyone says, this IS the best rivalry in College Football. The historical record is unmatched and is what helps prove this point.
I believe Wabash will win, but don't believe it will be the "monkey stomp" it was last year, history just doesn't support that it will go down that way.
Quote from: BashDad on October 23, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
I don't look forward to the next three weeks. The conversation is going to stay a healthy distance from actual football talk--you know, because why invite further clarification on why and how much y'all suck? Instead, we're going to hear a billion little cries into the universe of "throw out the records" and "the pressure's entirely on Wabash" and "this is Depauw's championship game" and "look at 1996" or "look at 2008" or "look how gay you are" blah, blah, blah. It's all just noise; an attempt to fill the massive, gaping wound of inferiority that you're going to strut in to Blackstock with in 20 days.
Depauw is going to lose and not by 7 or 14 or a field goal at the last second. It's going to be ugly. Like We'll-Be-Here-On-Monday-Talking-About-Whether-Or-Not-The-Last-Touchdown-Was-Classless Ugly.
You don't have the horses, man. You don't have a quarterback (holy grossman, batman, how many have you PLAYED this year?), a run game, or a defense. You don't have a coach who has engendered any kind of big-game confidence, nor--more importantly-- proven he can scheme to protect his team's weaknesses (to say nothing of scoring zero points in his first bell game and giving up 47. In a GOOD year. With a PLAYOFF team).
Your program is gasping for air and your players are not good and your coach is so good that fans of the team are saying things like "he didn't ASK to be head coach, cut him some slack." You guys are in sooooooooo much effing trouble.
But, you know, keep talking.
If you don't believe in upsets, then you must not understand the history of this rivalry. Your team has some talented players and next season looks promising as well, but I've personally witnessed some talented wally teams blow this game.
It may be a tough season to be a Tigers fan but I'm optimistic considering our win over OWU. Quality of opponent aside, Seaman looks to be an upgrade over Kirtley and he could develop chemistry with Steward. Additionally, Coburn only had 2 catches but both went for TDs. As a big TE, he could prove to be a nice safety valve for our freshman QB. The offense may not be explosive this year, but I think these guys can find rythym and move the chains so our D doesn't spend most of the game trying to contain Belton. The wallies will certainly be heavy favorites as they look better on paper, but I'm only concerned with how they look on Nov 12. Hopefully like garbage.
So yeah, it's gonna be a long three weeks. Fortunately, participation on this board is entirely voluntary.
Quote from: bashbrother on October 24, 2011, 11:04:52 AM
sigma one -
Totally agree..... The Bell Game has proven itself to be as much, if not more, a mental game as it has been a physical one. The whole playoff element has only added another dynamic. Next year, the perfect storm of Bell, Playoff & Conference Championship may/will all be on the line in some form for each team.
There is so much made of this game, and we have to remember we are still dealing with young, emotional student athletes. Anything can truly happen. I don't care about what anyone says, this IS the best rivalry in College Football. The historical record is unmatched and is what helps prove this point.
I believe Wabash will win, but don't believe it will be the "monkey stomp" it was last year, history just doesn't support that it will go down that way.
Agree with everything here. If money were on the line, I'd take wabash. But I don't think I'd care about this rivalry if I didn't understand that either team can win it any given year. Truly the best rivalry -- the history and the unpleasantries make it so.
Quote from: BashDad on October 23, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
I don't look forward to the next three weeks. The conversation is going to stay a healthy distance from actual football talk--you know, because why invite further clarification on why and how much y'all suck? Instead, we're going to hear a billion little cries into the universe of "throw out the records" and "the pressure's entirely on Wabash" and "this is Depauw's championship game" and "look at 1996" or "look at 2008" or "look how gay you are" blah, blah, blah. It's all just noise; an attempt to fill the massive, gaping wound of inferiority that you're going to strut in to Blackstock with in 20 days.
Depauw is going to lose and not by 7 or 14 or a field goal at the last second. It's going to be ugly. Like We'll-Be-Here-On-Monday-Talking-About-Whether-Or-Not-The-Last-Touchdown-Was-Classless Ugly.
You don't have the horses, man. You don't have a quarterback (holy grossman, batman, how many have you PLAYED this year?), a run game, or a defense. You don't have a coach who has engendered any kind of big-game confidence, nor--more importantly-- proven he can scheme to protect his team's weaknesses (to say nothing of scoring zero points in his first bell game and giving up 47. In a GOOD year. With a PLAYOFF team).
Your program is gasping for air and your players are not good and your coach is so good that fans of the team are saying things like "he didn't ASK to be head coach, cut him some slack." You guys are in sooooooooo much effing trouble.
But, you know, keep talking.
Dear Dabash Dad,
I am sorry you don't look forward to the next three weeks, these next three weeks are the best time of the year. Not only do we have the build up to the Bell game, but with a winning record Dabash actually has a chance to keep a playoff dream alive. Similarly, Depauw has a chance to partially redeem a lackluster season. Sure Depauw is not having the best of seasons, but if they turn it around in these next few weeks who is to say that a repeat 1999 is not possible?
There is no question that Depauw has some problems, but so does Dabash, as does every other team that puts on a helmet every weekend. I know that the caveboyzz of Dabash are the perfect team with no faults, has an unassailable coaching staff, and are superior to every man to walk the earth, but we know that is not true. Dabash will slip up, as they do every year. To say they won't, you will have to show me those Stagg Bowl Trophies you have been collecting up at Dabash School of Animal Husbandry. Depauw's best chance for a win (at least at this point, not knowing what will happen in the next few weeks) is that Dabash wins out, and looks forward to the playoffs.
We will keep on talking, because Depauw Never Quits. You caveboyzz always like to dish it, but can never take it.
Quote from: sigma one on October 24, 2011, 10:00:15 AM
I also don't discount a chopped up Blackstop field, if the grass there takes a beating from practice and the home game the previous week, what with Wabash playing on turf almost all year. Bear, what's with the vitriol: some Wabash guy steal your girlfriend, take a job away? Jeez. Maybe talking football for a change would be good therapy.
Thanks for your concern sigma one. And no, a wally caveboy did not steal my girlfriend, it was my best milking cow.
You do bring up a good point about the field. Those privileged cavboyzz of dabash do play most of the season on a synthetic turf. As you know, Blackstock grass (a surface the game was meant to be played on) often takes a beating. As I reside over 1500 miles from the stadium, I have not seen the shape it is in currently. I do know that Depauw Field Hockey (that is a sport Depauw Women play, Google it) has had some problems with a fungus affecting their grass and has been using the football practice field and Blackstock this season. Will this make the field a tougher place for Dabash to play after spending so much time on carpeting? I can't really tell you. It is just one more factor that can impact the outcome of the game, which according to most of dabash, is not even worth playing, as Depauw is so horrible, inferior, blah, blah, blah, Dabash!
Can't wait to hear more dabash responses for the next three weeks!
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 24, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
If you don't believe in upsets, then you must not understand the history of this rivalry.
There are upsets and then there are upsets. You're welcome to find me an instance of a team with 6-7 more losses than their opponent winning the bell game.
The "anything can happen" schtick is as good a rallying cry as any, I guess. It just seems kind of silly this year.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 24, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
It may be a tough season to be a Tigers fan but I'm optimistic considering our win over OWU.
Oh, lord....
Quote from: bashbrother on October 24, 2011, 11:04:52 AM
sigma one -
Totally agree..... The Bell Game has proven itself to be as much, if not more, a mental game as it has been a physical one. The whole playoff element has only added another dynamic. Next year, the perfect storm of Bell, Playoff & Conference Championship may/will all be on the line in some form for each team.
There is so much made of this game, and we have to remember we are still dealing with young, emotional student athletes. Anything can truly happen. I don't care about what anyone says, this IS the best rivalry in College Football. The historical record is unmatched and is what helps prove this point.
I believe Wabash will win, but don't believe it will be the "monkey stomp" it was last year, history just doesn't support that it will go down that way.
This is the first good post from Dabash this year (Except for the caveboyzz winning).
Yes, it is true, anything can happen. Records, playoffs, etc . . . do matter, but the Bell game itself can either bring out the best, or the worst in a team. This is why the Bell game is the most exciting rivalry in all of College football.
Next year will be a whole new level of competition. Talk about a game that means absolutely everything.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear link=topic=7468.msg1355625#msg1355625
Depauw's best chance for a win (at least at this point, not knowing what will happen in the next few weeks) is that Dabash wins out, and looks forward to the playoffs.
Here's hoping Coach Long shares your enthusiasm.
Quote from: BashDad on October 24, 2011, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear link=topic=7468.msg1355625#msg1355625
Depauw's best chance for a win (at least at this point, not knowing what will happen in the next few weeks) is that Dabash wins out, and looks forward to the playoffs.
Here's hoping Coach Long shares your enthusiasm.
and Dabash looking forward to getting waxed in the playoffs.
Can we stop with the "looking forward to the playoffs" stuff? Nobody overlooks the Monon Bell. Not a single player, coach, or fan. I have a theory on why the team that knows they are playing another game beyond Week 11 has struggled in the recent years which I have shared around these forums many times previously. It has nothing to do with looking past the game and it's absurd to think that anybody does this.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 24, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
It may be a tough season to be a Tigers fan but I'm optimistic considering our win over OWU.
I know you're new to NCAC competition, but you should check yourself here. You know who else beats OWU? Everybody. Y'all didn't prove that you're not bad...you're just not as bad as OWU.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2011, 01:30:05 PM
Can we stop with the "looking forward to the playoffs" stuff? Nobody overlooks the Monon Bell. Not a single player, coach, or fan. I have a theory on why the team that knows they are playing another game beyond Week 11 has struggled in the recent years which I have shared around these forums many times previously. It has nothing to do with looking past the game and it's absurd to think that anybody does this.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 24, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
It may be a tough season to be a Tigers fan but I'm optimistic considering our win over OWU.
I know you're new to NCAC competition, but you should check yourself here. You know who else beats OWU? Everybody. Y'all didn't prove that you're not bad...you're just not as bad as OWU.
Before we start cherry picking statements, go back and read the first 4 words of the following sentence. Here, I'll do it for you: "Quality of opponent aside..." Not saying the victory over OWU was a significant win, just saying I liked that our offense actually seemed to fire. D held well, too. The guys showed a spark that was absent since game 1 and IMO we got our best QB play of the season from a freshman. Given our poor performances thus far, it was nice to see some production from the pocket.
Yeah, freshman QBs really have a great record in the rivalry, too.
Anything can happen!
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 24, 2011, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2011, 01:30:05 PM
Can we stop with the "looking forward to the playoffs" stuff? Nobody overlooks the Monon Bell. Not a single player, coach, or fan. I have a theory on why the team that knows they are playing another game beyond Week 11 has struggled in the recent years which I have shared around these forums many times previously. It has nothing to do with looking past the game and it's absurd to think that anybody does this.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 24, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
It may be a tough season to be a Tigers fan but I'm optimistic considering our win over OWU.
I know you're new to NCAC competition, but you should check yourself here. You know who else beats OWU? Everybody. Y'all didn't prove that you're not bad...you're just not as bad as OWU.
Before we start cherry picking statements, go back and read the first 4 words of the following sentence. Here, I'll do it for you: "Quality of opponent aside..." Not saying the victory over OWU was a significant win, just saying I liked that our offense actually seemed to fire. D held well, too. The guys showed a spark that was absent since game 1 and IMO we got our best QB play of the season from a freshman. Given our poor performances thus far, it was nice to see some production from the pocket.
Dabash dad,
Beating OWU might be something that Dabash automatically assumes is a win, as dabash can't lose, but it is more than that for Depauw this season. It is a step in the right direction. All a team needs sometimes is a little kick to get the season going in the right direction. And maybe, just maybe, a freshman QB can lead Depauw. All the players were once Freshman.
Anything can happen Dabash dad, just accept it.
There was 1967, where a 1-7 Wabash team beat a 6-1-1 DPU team 7-0 in the mud and gunk. That was the year the cowards at DPU buried the bell lest "Operation Frijoles II : Electric Boogaloo" would have occurred.
That game gives credence to the 'anything can happen' talk.
When Wabash and DPU took turns knocking each other out of the playoffs it was good teams beating better teams, not blah teams beating great ones.
Worth another watch.... I particularly like Coach Long looking around at his coaches for an explanation..... perfect "Wanna Get Away" commercial moment...... I also like Depauw's pass defense..... we could start a new TV Series... call it "Lost"
http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs (http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs)
WAF! This one is going to be fun!
Quote from: smedindy on October 24, 2011, 03:04:45 PM
"Operation Frijoles II : Electric Boogaloo"
I have to give credit for this awesome 80s reference. However, the burial was an attempt at resourcefulness rather than cowardice. Dannies are not intimidated by wallies; we're not afraid of anything that sneezes glitter.
Quote from: bashbrother on October 24, 2011, 03:20:47 PM
Worth another watch.... I particularly like Coach Long looking around at his coaches for an explanation..... perfect "Wanna Get Away" commercial moment...... I also like Depauw's pass defense..... we could start a new TV Series... call it "Lost"
http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs (http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs)
WAF! This one is going to be fun!
We are showing films now?
Check out #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CszeIv00TkM, It is tough to tell whether he gave dabash the bird.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 24, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on October 24, 2011, 03:20:47 PM
Worth another watch.... I particularly like Coach Long looking around at his coaches for an explanation..... perfect "Wanna Get Away" commercial moment...... I also like Depauw's pass defense..... we could start a new TV Series... call it "Lost"
http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs (http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs)
WAF! This one is going to be fun!
We are showing films now?
Check out #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CszeIv00TkM, It is tough to tell whether he gave dabash the bird.
We scored in our film!
Quote from: bashbrother on October 24, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 24, 2011, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on October 24, 2011, 03:20:47 PM
Worth another watch.... I particularly like Coach Long looking around at his coaches for an explanation..... perfect "Wanna Get Away" commercial moment...... I also like Depauw's pass defense..... we could start a new TV Series... call it "Lost"
http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs (http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs)
WAF! This one is going to be fun!
We are showing films now?
Check out #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CszeIv00TkM, It is tough to tell whether he gave dabash the bird.
We scored in our film!
As did we dabashbro.
From the Pool B Board, worth posting here:
"Well, let's rank Pool B from top to bottom, shall we? Note: This list is ordered by "likelihood of earning the Pool B berth" rather than by "best team" (although the only change I'd make would be flip-flopping #2 and #3).
1. Wesley College (6-1): Traditional powerhouse has not done itself any favors with an early-season loss to Kean. While they have dominated recently, Wesley has two things working against it: first, a shortage of games against Division III opponents (which will hurt the regional record) and second, they still have two pretty tough games left with a 7-0 Salisbury team that's rolled through a few decent opponents and then closing with #3 on this list.
2. Case Western Reserve University (6-1): It hasn't always been pretty, but CWRU's run of success continues this season. The UAA does appear pretty balanced, and I would not be AT ALL surprised if one of the schools from #4-6 on this list defeat Case Western in conference play. However, at the moment, CWRU might well control its own fate; if they should win out, they will be 9-1 and might be a better "on paper" candidate than Wesley (although I think Wesley is the far better team on the field).
3. Huntingdon College (6-2): Unfortunately, the loss to Trinity probably takes Huntingdon's fate out of their hands unless CWRU stumbles. With that said, if CWRU does stumble, then Huntingdon will play Wesley on 11/12 with a chance to stake their claim to the Pool B berth.
Realistically, those are the only teams with any chance at a Pool B berth.
4. University of Chicago (5-2): I suppose that it is vaguely possible for Chicago to sneak into this mix if they run the table in the UAA (which could happen) AND if Wesley loses to Salisbury and Huntingdon. I wouldn't count on it, and even if both of those did happen they might not be any better-looking on paper than 8-2 Wesley, Huntingon, CWRU.
5. Carnegie Mellon University (4-3)
6. Washington University (4-3)
Both of the above are out of the Pool B hunt, but obviously could play spoiler vs. CWRU in the coming weeks.
7. Macalester College (3-4)
8. La Grange College (2-5)
9. DePauw University (2-4) - what a fall for the Tigers."
Is the game over? How bad did Bash thrash them? After a flurry of posts in the prior 24 hours, all is quiet.
Maybe the Dannies ran out of their same ole off-color Wabash spew, (That's what She (unsatisfied Depauw women) Said). Maybe with the posting of last year's "MStomp" we have lost a few that were holding on to those last gasps of hope for their beloved Dannies to have some sort of chance through Wabash "Looking Past" the Bell or simply, sleeping through their alarm clock and not making it to Blackstock.
OR
Maybe they got a call from their mommy's and were told to brush their teeth, take a nap and make sure that their remaining private stock of Zima is meticulously maintained at a frigid 38 degrees or face being cut out of her will.
OR
Maybe their bosses at their "gifted" law firm appointments around the country, you know, the ones their mommy's set-up for them, actually told them that they need to work.. a little.
Who knows, all I know is it is quiet.
WAF.... Depauw Sw :-X llows!
Quote from: bashbrother on October 25, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
Is the game over? How bad did Bash thrash them? After a flurry of posts in the prior 24 hours, all is quiet.
Maybe the Dannies ran out of their same ole off-color Wabash spew, (That's what She (unsatisfied Depauw women) Said). Maybe with the posting of last year's "MStomp" we have lost a few that were holding on to those last gasps of hope for their beloved Dannies to have some sort of chance through Wabash "Looking Past" the Bell or simply, sleeping through their alarm clock and not making it to Blackstock.
OR
Maybe they got a call from their mommy's and were told to brush their teeth, take a nap and make sure that their remaining private stock of Zima is meticulously maintained at a frigid 38 degrees or face being cut out of her will.
OR
Maybe their bosses at their "gifted" law firm appointments around the country, you know, the ones their mommy's set-up for them, actually told them that they need to work.. a little.
Who knows, all I know is it is quiet.
WAF.... Depauw Sw :-X llows!
Wow, dabashbrother. There is a lot of anger in that post. Daddy issues?
I do believe we Depauw Men were working and not able to make posts. I apologize. I know work is a foreign concept to you, but we must do it to keep you wards of the government in those doublewides you have known since birth. You see, for every dollar us Depauw Men earn, we pay taxes to the government to support the social services that keep you clothed, feed, and in that shed you call home.
I will try my best to keep up with the posts so you can have something to do during the day.
Just found this Photo in dabachelor of an example of what to wear for "Dabash Whiteout". Looks pretty standard as far as dabash fan wear.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1112.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk485%2Fbreckenridgebear%2FDabashWhiteout.jpg&hash=98e24224c52ec8799f981f2f1c8977c81e3362fb)
i'm all for talking football, game strageties and everything that makes this game great. out of curiosity, how is bringing up the inepitudes of this offense and saying that debash is going to win by "not 7, not 14" any different than the Men of DePauw poking fun of some of the obvious jokes that many have made about debash since it was founded?? just sayin'. How hard is it to pick apart a 2-4 football team that has gone through 54 QBs in a season?? I know this, and I've mentioned it in previous posts. There are still a few tune-ups, for both teams, before the country's best rivalry kicks off. I'm all on-board with the thought that there's no looking ahead when it comes to the Bell Game. Listen, I'm on record saying I'm not the biggest Robby Long fan, but by no means am I handing anything over on Monon Saturday. Stranger things have happened and there's always something that happens that's unpredictable. ie. last year's game....no one, not even you caveboyzz saw that coming.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 07:31:04 PM
but by no means am I handing anything over on Monon Saturday.
No, no you're not. We've already got it. :)
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 25, 2011, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 07:31:04 PM
but by no means am I handing anything over on Monon Saturday.
No, no you're not. We've already got it. :)
no problem Wally. We'll just come take it from you.....make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.
On another note, I like the fact that DPU and debash are reuniting in the NCAC. The conference needs us...yeah, yeah, insert joke here about how we're 2-4, blah, blah blah. But, honestly, outside of Wittenberg the conference is weak. Plenty of teams that finish 3-7 or worse on any given year. Kenyon, OWU, Denison, Oberlin and Hiram are all garbage
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 08:45:41 PM
make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.
What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again. That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools. Not cool, dude.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 25, 2011, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 08:45:41 PM
make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.
What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again. That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools. Not cool, dude.
for the sake of this board, i was making light of what, in agreeance, was an ugly event. to be honest, stunning something like that hadn't happened before. coincidentally, both were at your place. either way, it something that stupid could ever end up costing all of us, including those who have not yet played in that game, it would be catastrophic.
Nothing like that happened before?
So having to kick the extra point on the other end of the field, at DPU, in the 80's, didn't happen?
The 80's had plenty of fan 'interaction'.
Quote from: smedindy on October 25, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
Nothing like that happened before?
So having to kick the extra point on the other end of the field, at DPU, in the 80's, didn't happen?
The 80's had plenty of fan 'interaction'.
there's fan 'interaction' EVERY year - probably has been since the late 1800's....but those incidents in '96 and again in '98 were events
Moving the extra point to the other side because of the interactions isn't an event?
Quote from: smedindy on October 25, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
Moving the extra point to the other side because of the interactions isn't an event?
let's pick a new battle - this one is getting stale
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 25, 2011, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 08:45:41 PM
make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.
What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again. That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools. Not cool, dude.
Wally, I wear the black and gold but could not agree with you more. The future of the series hung in the balance as a result of those incidents. People can say what they will about security, etc., but those were ugly with a capital U, and both schools and their fans have far more class than was demonstrated on those days.
What we have (maybe even some of the over-the-top back-and-forth stuff) is pretty special. Let's celebrate that, and make sure it's preserved for future generations.
Depauw Tickets on sale now
https://www.depauw.edu/e/evt/tickets/MononBell/purchasing_form.asp
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 26, 2011, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 25, 2011, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 08:45:41 PM
make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.
What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again. That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools. Not cool, dude.
Wally, I wear the black and gold but could not agree with you more. The future of the series hung in the balance as a result of those incidents. People can say what they will about security, etc., but those were ugly with a capital U, and both schools and their fans have far more class than was demonstrated on those days.
What we have (maybe even some of the over-the-top back-and-forth stuff) is pretty special. Let's celebrate that, and make sure it's preserved for future generations.
Agreed. The fans obviously hate each other and I'd be surprised if one person from these boards didn't at least come close to throwing punches with someone from the other side at one time or another. But the fans have to "play nice" on game day for the sake of the rivalry. However, I would support some type of intramural boxing event for the two schools. IMO, that would be a fun way to kick off the weekend festivities.
I don't know of one DPU alum that's a Long fan, but that's the card we've been dealt. I'm more curious to know what parents of current players think of the program. Some of our guys came to DePauw thinking they'd be playing for Walker and then Long was handed the reins. Long did well until the Bell game last season, but was that a residual effect of Walker's recruiting? How is our recruiting now? Is it too early to tell whether Long will be successful in big games?
I thought Irish made an interesting comparison between Long and Carlson the other day which wasn't much appreciated by the wallies. In their first 2 seasons, Long's regular season record was 16-3 compared to Carlson's 13-6. If we go 3 seasons, Carlson would be 20-8 while Long COULD go 21-7. Not too far off if you ask me. So while I'm hesitant with Long being the future of DPU football, it might be too early to tell.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: 1837Tigers on October 26, 2011, 09:26:50 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 25, 2011, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 25, 2011, 08:45:41 PM
make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.
What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again. That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools. Not cool, dude.
Wally, I wear the black and gold but could not agree with you more. The future of the series hung in the balance as a result of those incidents. People can say what they will about security, etc., but those were ugly with a capital U, and both schools and their fans have far more class than was demonstrated on those days.
What we have (maybe even some of the over-the-top back-and-forth stuff) is pretty special. Let's celebrate that, and make sure it's preserved for future generations.
Agreed. The fans obviously hate each other and I'd be surprised if one person from these boards didn't at least come close to throwing punches with someone from the other side at one time or another. But the fans have to "play nice" on game day for the sake of the rivalry. However, I would support some type of intramural boxing event for the two schools. IMO, that would be a fun way to kick off the weekend festivities.
Seeing as a boxing match would turn into a full blown riot, I am wondering what type of events take place where you live during Monon weekend. I know that there is the telecast across the U.S., but does anyone else attend any other Monon functions? Here in Denver, there is Monon Bowl, the Friday night before the game, and early Saturday Morning there is a flag football game in City Park. Both events are Depauw v. Dabash, and from what I have heard, are extremely competitive.
Seeing as a boxing match would turn into a full blown riot, I am wondering what type of events take place where you live during Monon weekend. I know that there is the telecast across the U.S., but does anyone else attend any other Monon functions? Here in Denver, there is Monon Bowl, the Friday night before the game, and early Saturday Morning there is a flag football game in City Park. Both events are Depauw v. Dabash, and from what I have heard, are extremely competitive.
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In Chicago it's pretty tame. There is always a telecast party at a bar the local DePauw bar (actually 2 bars are hosting this year) but nothing else that I'm aware of. Of course, I always go back so I don't pay much attention to the local events. From what I hear, fans from both sides attend the telecast in Chicago but there isn't much "interaction." Flag football is a pretty good idea.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
Seeing as a boxing match would turn into a full blown riot, I am wondering what type of events take place where you live during Monon weekend. I know that there is the telecast across the U.S., but does anyone else attend any other Monon functions? Here in Denver, there is Monon Bowl, the Friday night before the game, and early Saturday Morning there is a flag football game in City Park. Both events are Depauw v. Dabash, and from what I have heard, are extremely competitive.
In Chicago it's pretty tame. There is always a telecast party at a bar the local DePauw bar (actually 2 bars are hosting this year) but nothing else that I'm aware of. Of course, I always go back so I don't pay much attention to the local events. From what I hear, fans from both sides attend the telecast in Chicago but there isn't much "interaction." Flag football is a pretty good idea.
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I am always amazed how few people come down from Chicago to watch the game. For Monon, you think more would make the trip. It seems like a three hour drive to actually be at the game beats sitting in a bar any day.
I am also amazed at how the posts from Dabash have died on this board. They get pissed when you tell them what they don't want to hear, they cry about it, they try to act above it, and ask that the focus be put on other material than their relationships and lifestyles, and then, when you do change the subject, Crickets.
I guess I will never understand those boyzzz.
Has anyone heard who will be calling the game this year for HDNet?
Quote from: bashbrother on October 26, 2011, 01:39:56 PM
Has anyone heard who will be calling the game this year for HDNet?
There is nothing on the HDnet site yet. I am sure we will get a press release in the next week.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
I thought Irish made an interesting comparison between Long and Carlson the other day which wasn't much appreciated by the wallies. In their first 2 seasons, Long's regular season record was 16-3 compared to Carlson's 13-6. If we go 3 seasons, Carlson would be 20-8 while Long COULD go 21-7. Not too far off if you ask me. So while I'm hesitant with Long being the future of DPU football, it might be too early to tell.
Seriously, knock it off. When Robby Long gets anywhere near the things Greg Carlson has accomplished, then bring it up. Y'all have done nothing but badmouth the guy, and you want to put him in the same breath as one of our all-time greats? Please. Also noteworthy, while your guy Long is busy posting the worst DePauw record in 15 years, Greg Carlson is about three days away from locking up a spot in the championship tournament. Shut it down with the Long/Carlson stuff.
Re: Monon Bell Week events...The Monon Stag in Indy every year is a tremendous event. Plenty of fun, both sides get a chance to do a little roasting, tempered with respect and recognition of some truly special individuals from our alumni bases. If you haven't gone, you should. Some of you Dannies might actually learn something about how to freshen up your schtick instead of going right back to the offensive trash that you constantly post here. This year Thomas Bambrey W'68 and Brad Stevens D'99 are being honored with the Spirit of the Monon Awards. Should be a fun night.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2011, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
I thought Irish made an interesting comparison between Long and Carlson the other day which wasn't much appreciated by the wallies. In their first 2 seasons, Long's regular season record was 16-3 compared to Carlson's 13-6. If we go 3 seasons, Carlson would be 20-8 while Long COULD go 21-7. Not too far off if you ask me. So while I'm hesitant with Long being the future of DPU football, it might be too early to tell.
Seriously, knock it off. When Robby Long gets anywhere near the things Greg Carlson has accomplished, then bring it up. Y'all have done nothing but badmouth the guy, and you want to put him in the same breath as one of our all-time greats? Please. Also noteworthy, while your guy Long is busy posting the worst DePauw record in 15 years, Greg Carlson is about three days away from locking up a spot in the championship tournament. Shut it down with the Long/Carlson stuff.
Re: Monon Bell Week events...The Monon Stag in Indy every year is a tremendous event. Plenty of fun, both sides get a chance to do a little roasting, tempered with respect and recognition of some truly special individuals from our alumni bases. If you haven't gone, you should. Some of you Dannies might actually learn something about how to freshen up your schtick instead of going right back to the offensive trash that you constantly post here. This year Thomas Bambrey W'68 and Brad Stevens D'99 are being honored with the Spirit of the Monon Awards. Should be a fun night.
Wally, the numbers speak for themselves. You sure are fiercely protective of a guy with a 7-10-1 record in Bell games. I realize he is in the wally HOF, but that doesn't mean anything outside of C'ville. I believe Irish drew a fair comparison given the small sample size. I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our program given the last 2 Bell debacles and this season's record, but again it may be too early to tell. That's why I'd like someone who is currently closer to the program to chime in.
Sorry for the schtick (not really). If a wally didn't expect to be razzed for his alma mater, then I wish him better foresight in his next life. Maybe wallies miss out on a real college experience, but it's not all bad. After all, the wil' giants have a better record this season and will be favored to win the Bell --- for whatever being favored is worth.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Wally, the numbers speak for themselves. You sure are fiercely protective of a guy with a 7-10-1 record in Bell games. I realize he is in the wally HOF, but that doesn't mean anything outside of C'ville. I believe Irish drew a fair comparison given the small sample size. I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our program given the last 2 Bell debacles and this season's record, but again it may be too early to tell. That's why I'd like someone who is currently closer to the program to chime in.
The sample size is exactly the problem. Greg Carlson has 18 seasons at Wabash, well over 20 seasons as a DIII coach...Robby Long has barely dipped his toe in the water. You can't compare the two. I saw some dumb stat about how Tebow did something in his first four starts that it too Elway his entire career to do. Nobody is mistaking Tebow for Elway anytime soon. Don't be that guy.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Sorry for the schtick (not really). If a wally didn't expect to be razzed for his alma mater, then I wish him better foresight in his next life. Maybe wallies miss out on a real college experience, but it's not all bad. After all, the wil' giants have a better record this season and will be favored to win the Bell --- for whatever being favored is worth.
We get razzed plenty, and that's fine. This is why I mentioned the Monon Stag. Every year I get a laugh out of the roasting that DePauw's selected speakers put on Wabash. There have been some great jokes had at Wabash's expense. And you know what? Not one of those really great jokes stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board. You can do better if you really want to.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Wally, the numbers speak for themselves. You sure are fiercely protective of a guy with a 7-10-1 record in Bell games. I realize he is in the wally HOF, but that doesn't mean anything outside of C'ville. I believe Irish drew a fair comparison given the small sample size. I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our program given the last 2 Bell debacles and this season's record, but again it may be too early to tell. That's why I'd like someone who is currently closer to the program to chime in.
The sample size is exactly the problem. Greg Carlson has 18 seasons at Wabash, well over 20 seasons as a DIII coach...Robby Long has barely dipped his toe in the water. You can't compare the two. I saw some dumb stat about how Tebow did something in his first four starts that it too Elway his entire career to do. Nobody is mistaking Tebow for Elway anytime soon. Don't be that guy.
Quote from: Danny Boy on October 26, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
Sorry for the schtick (not really). If a wally didn't expect to be razzed for his alma mater, then I wish him better foresight in his next life. Maybe wallies miss out on a real college experience, but it's not all bad. After all, the wil' giants have a better record this season and will be favored to win the Bell --- for whatever being favored is worth.
We get razzed plenty, and that's fine. This is why I mentioned the Monon Stag. Every year I get a laugh out of the roasting that DePauw's selected speakers put on Wabash. There have been some great jokes had at Wabash's expense. And you know what? Not one of those really great jokes stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board. You can do better if you really want to.
Wally_dabash, lets keep Tebow out of this. I know he is no Curtis Painter, but I am sure he is going to have a wonderful career.
How are you going to compare two coaches/players/teams without the numbers being brought up? The numbers do not lie. By your reasoning you can only compare Carlson to other coaches who have done 20 years in DIII. Come on Dabash, you know that doesn't work.
As for where we "stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board" I am sorry your feelings got hurt. Truly, I spend my days feeling sorry for the caveboyzz feelings. But you do have to recognize that you caveboyzz have the same "schtick" that we have. Nothing changes. Part of the Monon tradition is what is taking place on this board, good old fashioned s@#t talking. You can be sure that before the days of the internet the same conversations were had across the country. There was even a time when Depauw University published a mock dabachelor with many of the same "offensive hate speech" that seems to hurt your feelings. If you don't like it, don't bring it, and don't participate.
Just my take. And by the way, I find that Zima helps when your feelings are hurt.
Just my take.
Wally, I see your point. But I also understand the comparison Irish made. Records don't mean much if you don't win games worth remembering. I think most of the DPU guys on this thread played for Nick and a few of us even attended school with Walker, so we might be somewhat biased with our view of Long. As disappointed as his results have been since the '10 Bell, I think it's too soon to judge.
Good call, Bear. It was "The DePoon" that gave me my first sampling of wally propaganda, and I imagine that compilation of senseless wally drivel still magically appears on campus today. The "hate speech" is still alive and kicking, whether it's on a t-shirt or this thread. No use in pretending otherwise. If any wallies would like to disagree, then I suppose we won't hear "DePauw swallows" resonating from your stands this year....
listen, I was simply saying 1 thing - Carlson had issues in the big game. Something I believe Long has had issues with as well. Bell and playoffs.....that's the ONLY comparison....the last thing I'm going to do is go back and track week by week performance of their early years at each prospective school.
as for the razzing - Danny's point of a year without "DePauw Swallows" is legit. It's senseless fun that makes the weeks leading up to the game more exciting. no need to get the panties in a bunch. I'm all for the Monon Stagg....we discussed, briefly, about attending this year, but it won't work out....but something I'd like to see, eventually. We have a pretty good tradition going as well.
One thing I'd be very much in favor for is some kind of regulated football alumni game - the friday before in the town where the game is played. I do understand what I'm saying here - that's why some kind of regulation would have to be involved....otherwise, the entire idea should be scrapped. But, I'm intrigued, Bear, how the groups in Denver put it together.....but wouldn't want to do it at the expense of not being in attendace at the game.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 26, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
As for where we "stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board" I am sorry your feelings got hurt. Truly, I spend my days feeling sorry for the caveboyzz feelings. But you do have to recognize that you caveboyzz have the same "schtick" that we have. Nothing changes. Part of the Monon tradition is what is taking place on this board, good old fashioned s@#t talking. You can be sure that before the days of the internet the same conversations were had across the country. There was even a time when Depauw University published a mock dabachelor with many of the same "offensive hate speech" that seems to hurt your feelings. If you don't like it, don't bring it, and don't participate.
There's "good old fashioned s@#t talking" and then there's the unending stream of offensive crap that you put out on this board as if it were funny (it isn't). There was indeed a time when your newspaper put out a mock issue of The Bachelor. It stopped, sometime around '98 or '99 as I recall, because the only thing the creative minds in that news office could come up with to print is the same three jokes about homosexuality for 12 or 16 pages with varying degrees of hatefulness. It was seriously deplorable. After that issue, your university had to step in, force apologies, and shut that tradition down because you all couldn't pull it off without being offensive. All I'm trying to say here is that you guys can make fun of Wabash without that nonsense. I've seen it happen. Do a little better.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 26, 2011, 06:04:04 PM
listen, I was simply saying 1 thing - Carlson had issues in the big game. Something I believe Long has had issues with as well. Bell and playoffs.....that's the ONLY comparison....the last thing I'm going to do is go back and track week by week performance of their early years at each prospective school.
as for the razzing - Danny's point of a year without "DePauw Swallows" is legit. It's senseless fun that makes the weeks leading up to the game more exciting. no need to get the panties in a bunch. I'm all for the Monon Stagg....we discussed, briefly, about attending this year, but it won't work out....but something I'd like to see, eventually. We have a pretty good tradition going as well.
One thing I'd be very much in favor for is some kind of regulated football alumni game - the friday before in the town where the game is played. I do understand what I'm saying here - that's why some kind of regulation would have to be involved....otherwise, the entire idea should be scrapped. But, I'm intrigued, Bear, how the groups in Denver put it together.....but wouldn't want to do it at the expense of not being in attendace at the game.
An Alumni game the night before the Bell game in the Town or Burg where the game is played would be awesome. I think it would also lead to more players from the past coming back. There could even be two games, one for the old guys (before the forward pass) and the younger guys (say classes of last five or ten years). It could lead to player class reunions and another Monon tradition. I think it is a great idea.
As far as the game here in Denver, I can only tell you what I have heard, as I travel back for Monon every year. The game is Depauw v. Wabash flag. I believe they went with flag as touch could lead to some situations. I think it is two halfs, seven on seven. Standard.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 26, 2011, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 26, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
As for where we "stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board" I am sorry your feelings got hurt. Truly, I spend my days feeling sorry for the caveboyzz feelings. But you do have to recognize that you caveboyzz have the same "schtick" that we have. Nothing changes. Part of the Monon tradition is what is taking place on this board, good old fashioned s@#t talking. You can be sure that before the days of the internet the same conversations were had across the country. There was even a time when Depauw University published a mock dabachelor with many of the same "offensive hate speech" that seems to hurt your feelings. If you don't like it, don't bring it, and don't participate.
There's "good old fashioned s@#t talking" and then there's the unending stream of offensive crap that you put out on this board as if it were funny (it isn't). There was indeed a time when your newspaper put out a mock issue of The Bachelor. It stopped, sometime around '98 or '99 as I recall, because the only thing the creative minds in that news office could come up with to print is the same three jokes about homosexuality for 12 or 16 pages with varying degrees of hatefulness. It was seriously deplorable. After that issue, your university had to step in, force apologies, and shut that tradition down because you all couldn't pull it off without being offensive. All I'm trying to say here is that you guys can make fun of Wabash without that nonsense. I've seen it happen. Do a little better.
Dawally dabash, you really are hung up on this homosexuality thing. It might be a problem you should talk with someone about. Could you please tell me the "same three jokes about homosexuality" so that I can make sure they are not used again?
Better yet, why don't you just can all of that stuff and that way nobody has to worry about it.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 26, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
Wally_dabash, lets keep Tebow out of this. I know he is no Curtis Painter, but I am sure he is going to have a wonderful career.
Well, he'll have a wonderful career after football. Just not as a QB.
As for the homophobic and beastialic hate speech, society really has moved beyond that puerile stuff. Get creative dudes. Bring on the creative smack, not the recycled, trite gunk.
BTW, coach Nick was just 11-11-1 in Bell games.
Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
BTW, coach Nick was just 11-11-1 in Bell games.
i was waiting for that.....11-11-1 makes sense for a rivalry that isn't one sided in either way. Love Coach Nick....impossible not to.
I was thinking....if you had to sell me on why anyone would choose Debash...what would it be??
The entire experience is life changing. I can do anything because of how I learned how to learn and to pursue knowledge throughout life.
Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2011, 09:10:29 PM
The entire experience is life changing. I can do anything because of how I learned how to learn and to pursue knowledge throughout life.
I could say literally the exact same thing.......throw a sprinkle of some women in there, and that sums it up
QuoteRe: Monon Bell Week events...The Monon Stag in Indy every year is a tremendous event. Plenty of fun, both sides get a chance to do a little roasting, tempered with respect and recognition of some truly special individuals from our alumni bases. If you haven't gone, you should. Some of you Dannies might actually learn something about how to freshen up your schtick instead of going right back to the offensive trash that you constantly post here. This year Thomas Bambrey W'68 and Brad Stevens D'99 are being honored with the Spirit of the Monon Awards. Should be a fun night.
To me, the Monon Stag is a great example of why this rivalry is so special...so incredibly unique after all these years. The Stag is an old school event that remains very cool. I think is really great that in recent years there has been a push from both schools to generate more interest, especially from young former players and alums. I may be wrong but it seems to me attendance last year was 225-250? Really a fun event. If anyone has not been to one, do yourself a favor and buy a ticket. if you are a fan of DePauw or Wabash or simply enjoy the traditions of college fotball...you will enjoy it.
QuoteI don't know of one DPU alum that's a Long fan, but that's the card we've been dealt. I'm more curious to know what parents of current players think of the program. Some of our guys came to DePauw thinking they'd be playing for Walker and then Long was handed the reins. Long did well until the Bell game last season, but was that a residual effect of Walker's recruiting? How is our recruiting now? Is it too early to tell whether Long will be successful in big games?
With all due respect, there are plent of alums, including former players, who like and respect Robby. Really respect him as a coach and person. Parents, too. Not a lot of guys could have handled the hand HE was dealt getting the head job in 2009
a couple of weeks before the start of camp, then going 7-3 with wins over Trinity and Millsaps (not Wabash). At the risk of stating the obvious, last year's Bell game was horrific. This season has been very ugly, even with the substantial losses to graduation. Still, IMHO, it is FAR too early to write him off as a head coach. FAR too early. He's played the game at a high level, has good football instincts and, I think, can coach and relate to players. I can't answer the recruiting question, but I do know he led recruiting efforts when Matt was there as well. If Robby suffers from anything, I think it might be the fact that it's much different (and tougher) to be a head coach than a coordinator. Kevin Wilson (the latest stupid hire at IU) is finding that out in Bloomington. One thing I would like to see is more support from the university for the football program. Brian Casey is a good guy, a good leader and a former student-athlete who needs to pay the football program a bit more attention. DePauw has lots of good athletic teams (men's and women's) and that's a good thing. I think a bit more attention to the football program could go a long way in fixing this temporary bump off the tracks.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
.... and, as I recall a 36-14 win on the road at an undefeated Wabash....
Um. No.
Man you are quick...it just hit me. Well, the Trinity and Millsaps wins anyway :)
One last comment I'll make regarding this season is the impact of losing OC Dustin Ward. Don't know that the record would necessarily be dramatically different, but the play on the offensive side of the ball would be.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2011, 10:58:15 PM
One last comment I'll make regarding this season is the impact of losing OC Dustin Ward. Don't know that the record would necessarily be dramatically different, but the play on the offensive side of the ball would be.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
QuoteI don't know of one DPU alum that's a Long fan, but that's the card we've been dealt. I'm more curious to know what parents of current players think of the program. Some of our guys came to DePauw thinking they'd be playing for Walker and then Long was handed the reins. Long did well until the Bell game last season, but was that a residual effect of Walker's recruiting? How is our recruiting now? Is it too early to tell whether Long will be successful in big games?
If Robby suffers from anything, I think it might be the fact that it's much different (and tougher) to be a head coach than a coordinator. Kevin Wilson (the latest stupid hire at IU) is finding that out in Bloomington. One thing I would like to see is more support from the university for the football program. Brian Casey is a good guy, a good leader and a former student-athlete who needs to pay the football program a bit more attention. DePauw has lots of good athletic teams (men's and women's) and that's a good thing. I think a bit more attention to the football program could go a long way in fixing this temporary bump off the tracks.
First off - the Ward thing - I agree with you. I liked him as our OC and offensively we flourished with him. Another note about Ward....he could lure in recruits...he was good at it...which brings me to the next quote. I'm not saying anything about the kind of guy Robby is or the tough situation he was dealt. Not many, if any, could've done a better job. But, I do believe he's more suited in the coordinator role. I'm not bashing Long as a terrible person...if he was, he surely wouldn't be at DPU. President Casey wouldn't put up with that. I agree, more attention must be paid on the program. I think Casey is an advocate of making sure athletics is a bigger part of the University. I've had conversations with him. He's definitely more committed than Bottoms ever was.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 26, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2011, 10:58:15 PM
One last comment I'll make regarding this season is the impact of losing OC Dustin Ward. Don't know that the record would necessarily be dramatically different, but the play on the offensive side of the ball would be.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
QuoteI don't know of one DPU alum that's a Long fan, but that's the card we've been dealt. I'm more curious to know what parents of current players think of the program. Some of our guys came to DePauw thinking they'd be playing for Walker and then Long was handed the reins. Long did well until the Bell game last season, but was that a residual effect of Walker's recruiting? How is our recruiting now? Is it too early to tell whether Long will be successful in big games?
If Robby suffers from anything, I think it might be the fact that it's much different (and tougher) to be a head coach than a coordinator. Kevin Wilson (the latest stupid hire at IU) is finding that out in Bloomington. One thing I would like to see is more support from the university for the football program. Brian Casey is a good guy, a good leader and a former student-athlete who needs to pay the football program a bit more attention. DePauw has lots of good athletic teams (men's and women's) and that's a good thing. I think a bit more attention to the football program could go a long way in fixing this temporary bump off the tracks.
First off - the Ward thing - I agree with you. I liked him as our OC and offensively we flourished with him. Another note about Ward....he could lure in recruits...he was good at it...which brings me to the next quote. I'm not saying anything about the kind of guy Robby is or the tough situation he was dealt. Not many, if any, could've done a better job. But, I do believe he's more suited in the coordinator role. I'm not bashing Long as a terrible person...if he was, he surely wouldn't be at DPU. President Casey wouldn't put up with that. I agree, more attention must be paid on the program. I think Casey is an advocate of making sure athletics is a bigger part of the University. I've had conversations with him. He's definitely more committed than Bottoms ever was.
I hear that after the game at Sewanee, Depauw didn't even sing the fight song. I don't care if you lose by 100, you still have to sing the song. I believe that this shows a lot about the leaders (including the coaching staff and Long), and the program. You better believe Nick and Walker would have had a conniption if there was no fight song.
It might be that Long has yet to get his feet under him. He was thrown into the roll with little time to implement his plan, and is just now truly getting to select and recruit the guys he wants. Only time can tell if he will be a good fit. As of now, he has a long hill to climb.
As for Bottoms supporting Depauw football . . . HAHAHAHAHA. I think the only time he knew we had a program was during Monon week. Even then he would show up late and leave late, at home, and sit in his private area in the stands. I don't think he even went to the Dabash for the games. From what I have seen so far, Casey has done a better job of supporting the team. I still think Depauw needs to support all of its Athletics a little more.
Bear,
DPU has had a lot of success and tradition in many of its sports and trips to the NCAAs in several of them in recent years. It's not making athletics a priority. From an outsider, it seems there was undue meddling in the football program - meddling that I don't think happened in the other sports.
Just last year the DPU softball team was in the NCAA finals. Their field hockey team is dominating the NCAC this year. DPU is adding lacrosse (something I think Wabash should add). The basketball squads are contenders to make the NCAA field every year.
Yet the one sport that makes DPU a known entity (thanks to this very special game) has been unsettled ever since Nick left the sidelines.
And whatever happened to the DPU football psyche during the 47-0 game has seemingly carried over. I know of a great sports psychologist you Dannies could use to try and get whatever mojo you had back, but I think he'll be booked until late November!
I believe within any rivalry, anything can happen. However, DePauw will struggle against a good Wabash team, yet alone a great Wabash team this year. The way Wabash is playing now, I believe they'll beat DePauw by 20 points at least, pulling away in the second half after DePauw exerts its energy from the pregame speech and rivalry excitement. Wabash has to worry about its game against Wittenberg on the 5th. That game will be interesting. If Wabash losses to Wittenberg, there is no chance that DePauw will beat Wabash.
Quote from: smedindy on October 27, 2011, 11:45:48 AM
Bear,
DPU has had a lot of success and tradition in many of its sports and trips to the NCAAs in several of them in recent years. It's not making athletics a priority. From an outsider, it seems there was undue meddling in the football program - meddling that I don't think happened in the other sports.
Just last year the DPU softball team was in the NCAA finals. Their field hockey team is dominating the NCAC this year. DPU is adding lacrosse (something I think Wabash should add). The basketball squads are contenders to make the NCAA field every year.
Yet the one sport that makes DPU a known entity (thanks to this very special game) has been unsettled ever since Nick left the sidelines.
And whatever happened to the DPU football psyche during the 47-0 game has seemingly carried over. I know of a great sports psychologist you Dannies could use to try and get whatever mojo you had back, but I think he'll be booked until late November!
Dasmedindy, you are correct that Depauw does well on the field in many sports, but this does not equal support from the University. Many of Depauw Athletic events are rarely attended by the student body. There are numerous times during the season that the stands have more family watching than students.
You are right about the University meddling in the football program, from what I have heard. Taking it for face value, when the head football coach and baseball coach, who was on pace to coach into his golden years at Depauw, leaves a few weeks before the season, there was obviously a problem between the program and University.
Depauw has to do more than merely build a new athletic facility every 5 years and sponsor buses for Monon. It needs to support the athletes.
I am sure a Caveboy knows many psychologists. Isn't part of your tuition set aside for the many years of therapy you dawallys need after graduation from that technical School of Animal Husbandry?
By the way, nice Daoccupydepauw shirts. http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyDePauw/status/128481829878644736/photo/1
Lots of pink in that whitout. Lots of pink.
Also, correct me if i am wrong, isn't white the international sign of surrender?
I'm sure that teams traveling to Happy Valley to take on Penn State consider their whiteouts a sign of surrender....it would be much more intimidating if they were wearing navy....
Quote from: wallyworld12 on October 27, 2011, 01:18:25 PM
I'm sure that teams traveling to Happy Valley to take on Penn State consider their whiteouts a sign of surrender....it would be much more intimidating if they were wearing navy....
White and pink are not intimidating.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on October 27, 2011, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: wallyworld12 on October 27, 2011, 01:18:25 PM
I'm sure that teams traveling to Happy Valley to take on Penn State consider their whiteouts a sign of surrender....it would be much more intimidating if they were wearing navy....
White and pink are not intimidating.
What is is knowing that this is same group of players that pasted your 9-0 team by 47 points...and this year's DePauw Tigers are not that 9-0 team. That should cause some concern.
CJ Gumm could be wearing an electric pink tu-tu with cranberry accents and he'd still be way more intimidating than anyone in black and gold.
Also, with regards to syran-wrap houses and the tossing of stones--
If y'all are still choosing to slap on those ridiculous high-school paw prints upon your helmets and are still playing on that dank and unimpressive, boring little field, maybe stay away from inviting aesthetic comparisons. You're getting lapped in that dep't.
Hey, it's good enough for Clemson...
...um...
...yeah I see your point! ;)
Quote from: BashDad on October 27, 2011, 02:40:44 PM
Also, with regards to syran-wrap houses and the tossing of stones--
If y'all are still choosing to slap on those ridiculous high-school paw prints upon your helmets and are still playing on that dank and unimpressive, boring little field, maybe stay away from inviting aesthetic comparisons. You're getting lapped in that dep't.
Pink, White, and a W.
You got us on that one Caveboy.
Good one.
The level of exertion required to instill and maintain pride in a program so thoroughly generic and mediocre is, maybe, the only quality of the present team left to respect. You are the mule in the carriage house, pretending yourself a stallion.
Quote from: BashDad on October 27, 2011, 07:07:25 PM
Good one.
The level of exertion required to instill and maintain pride in a program so thoroughly generic and mediocre is, maybe, the only quality of the present team left to respect. You are the mule in the carriage house, pretending yourself a stallion.
Wait, are you talking about your pride in the generic pink, white, and lame W? Lots of creativity on that one. What, did it take 10 minutes to get a color scheme and a logo? Who came first dabashdad, the candy striper or dabash caveboy?
As for mules, I am going to leave the expertise on equine to the one who obtained the degree in animal husbandry from Dabash. I am sure you had a lot of experience with "stallions" during your four years of college bliss.
You guys are single handedly keeping EASTBAY in business.
Boom.
And you're a fool to push this argument further. Depauw is a rivalry game away from being utterly inconsequential. Thanks for making the DVDs and all, but man-- can y'all bring ANYTHING else to the table? You bring nothing. Zero. Wabash allows your program to be interesting for three hours every year by virtue of all the things you guys point to and laugh at. You're a reflecting pool that has somehow managed to regard itself for the monument built above it. And if that's not enough--that soullessness that you smugly confuse with superiority--you're currently in a ten-year stretch of willfully refusing to keep pace with all the superficial requirements of maintaining a competitive football program. Every check mark goes to Wabash and the recruiting classes are the ones doing the ticking. Get used to what's happening, man, because my guess is it's only gonna get worse.
You see a paw-print and see a cute little tradition. Tigers, get it? I see a paw-print and I'm disgusted by the ordinary.
Joe Paterno thinks Wabash's helmets are too flashy, anyway. Lord knows what he'd think of the kitty-kat print.
QuoteYet the one sport that makes DPU a known entity (thanks to this very special game) has been unsettled ever since Nick left the sidelines.
Unsettled...really?
I think it started a couple years before that, really.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FLnmTNwILR_Q%2F0.jpg&hash=7e79ddcdfce77e04ddd32aba6e686b4a6cc7090e)
Quote from: BashDad on October 27, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
can y'all bring ANYTHING else to the table? You bring nothing. Zero.
We bring the women, or does that not matter any more?
There are hot streaks and cool streaks on both sides of this rivalry. If you really think anyone gives a rat's ass about a Technical College of Christmas Light Repair and Maintenance where the only thing 900 boyzzz have going for them is a football team that happens to be have a good season (Until they get waxed in the first round of the playoffs, if they make it that far), you need to get out of the trailer park more.
When I see the PINK W I don't know if it is Dabash, (And I don't mean any disrespect to these far superior to Dabash institutions), Whittenberg, Worchester State, Wesleyn, Washington, Waynesburg, Whitworth, Willamette, Montana-Western, Western Michigan, Webber International, Waldorf, Western State, Wisconsin, or one of the thousand high schools with enough creativity to slap a W on the side of a lid.
http://www.thedepauw.com/sports/tigers-look-for-second-straight-win-with-new-strength-from-third-string-qb-1.2671787
Quote from: smedindy on October 27, 2011, 08:31:37 PM
Joe Paterno thinks Wabash's helmets are too flashy, anyway. Lord knows what he'd think of the kitty-kat print.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/the-strangest-college-mas_n_864979.html#s281492&title=6_Little_Giants
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: BashDad on October 27, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
You guys are single handedly keeping EASTBAY in business.
Boom.
And you're a fool to push this argument further. Depauw is a rivalry game away from being utterly inconsequential. Thanks for making the DVDs and all, but man-- can y'all bring ANYTHING else to the table? You bring nothing. Zero. Wabash allows your program to be interesting for three hours every year by virtue of all the things you guys point to and laugh at. You're a reflecting pool that has somehow managed to regard itself for the monument built above it. And if that's not enough--that soullessness that you smugly confuse with superiority--you're currently in a ten-year stretch of willfully refusing to keep pace with all the superficial requirements of maintaining a competitive football program. Every check mark goes to Wabash and the recruiting classes are the ones doing the ticking. Get used to what's happening, man, because my guess is it's only gonna get worse.
You see a paw-print and see a cute little tradition. Tigers, get it? I see a paw-print and I'm disgusted by the ordinary.
SERIOUSLY, debashdad?? What the hell have you "brought to the table"?? I didn't know that outside of the Bell game, you had such a rich history of playing for a national championship year in and year out. Didn't know your program was equivalent to Mt. Union or UW-Whitewater. I fully comprehend that we're 3-7 in the last 10 Bell games, but flexing your muscle because you have a turf field?!?! We have a fieldhouse too, so no reason to go there. I can give a damn if you hate Blackstock Stadium....I hate that dump you play at too in Crawfordsville. I appreciate your passion for debash and its football program, but please don't act like you guys are holier than thou....c'mon....that's a flat out joke
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/02/28/rules-of-attraction.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/june-15-1992-dan-quayle-misspells-potato-10952070
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 28, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: BashDad on October 27, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
You guys are single handedly keeping EASTBAY in business.
Boom.
And you're a fool to push this argument further. Depauw is a rivalry game away from being utterly inconsequential. Thanks for making the DVDs and all, but man-- can y'all bring ANYTHING else to the table? You bring nothing. Zero. Wabash allows your program to be interesting for three hours every year by virtue of all the things you guys point to and laugh at. You're a reflecting pool that has somehow managed to regard itself for the monument built above it. And if that's not enough--that soullessness that you smugly confuse with superiority--you're currently in a ten-year stretch of willfully refusing to keep pace with all the superficial requirements of maintaining a competitive football program. Every check mark goes to Wabash and the recruiting classes are the ones doing the ticking. Get used to what's happening, man, because my guess is it's only gonna get worse.
You see a paw-print and see a cute little tradition. Tigers, get it? I see a paw-print and I'm disgusted by the ordinary.
SERIOUSLY, debashdad?? What the hell have you "brought to the table"?? I didn't know that outside of the Bell game, you had such a rich history of playing for a national championship year in and year out. Didn't know your program was equivalent to Mt. Union or UW-Whitewater. I fully comprehend that we're 3-7 in the last 10 Bell games, but flexing your muscle because you have a turf field?!?! We have a fieldhouse too, so no reason to go there. I can give a damn if you hate Blackstock Stadium....I hate that dump you play at too in Crawfordsville. I appreciate your passion for debash and its football program, but please don't act like you guys are holier than thou....c'mon....that's a flat out joke
Good. You keep thinking this and we'll keep getting better players than you.
Quote from: BashDad on October 28, 2011, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 28, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: BashDad on October 27, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
You guys are single handedly keeping EASTBAY in business.
Boom.
And you're a fool to push this argument further. Depauw is a rivalry game away from being utterly inconsequential. Thanks for making the DVDs and all, but man-- can y'all bring ANYTHING else to the table? You bring nothing. Zero. Wabash allows your program to be interesting for three hours every year by virtue of all the things you guys point to and laugh at. You're a reflecting pool that has somehow managed to regard itself for the monument built above it. And if that's not enough--that soullessness that you smugly confuse with superiority--you're currently in a ten-year stretch of willfully refusing to keep pace with all the superficial requirements of maintaining a competitive football program. Every check mark goes to Wabash and the recruiting classes are the ones doing the ticking. Get used to what's happening, man, because my guess is it's only gonna get worse.
You see a paw-print and see a cute little tradition. Tigers, get it? I see a paw-print and I'm disgusted by the ordinary.
SERIOUSLY, debashdad?? What the hell have you "brought to the table"?? I didn't know that outside of the Bell game, you had such a rich history of playing for a national championship year in and year out. Didn't know your program was equivalent to Mt. Union or UW-Whitewater. I fully comprehend that we're 3-7 in the last 10 Bell games, but flexing your muscle because you have a turf field?!?! We have a fieldhouse too, so no reason to go there. I can give a damn if you hate Blackstock Stadium....I hate that dump you play at too in Crawfordsville. I appreciate your passion for debash and its football program, but please don't act like you guys are holier than thou....c'mon....that's a flat out joke
Good. You keep thinking this and we'll keep getting better players than you.
keep it up....for a team that isn't even a perennial playoff participant. i'm glad we're coming to that weak-ass conference of the NCAC....you need us.....this crap of beating up a bunch of 1-9, 2-8 teams every year is about to end.....minus wittenberg, the conference is not good.
remember, you'll never be superior to us.....you don't allow women to participate in your activities.....sounds like a hot saturday night to me
Quote from: BashDad on October 28, 2011, 06:37:47 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/02/28/rules-of-attraction.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/june-15-1992-dan-quayle-misspells-potato-10952070
Seriously? You want to bring up stuff like that? Is that all you got dabashdad? I am sure your fine institution of Fish Tank Repair would love to revisit some its finer moments on this board. October 5, 2008? October 28, 2007? Open hazing during Chapel Sing? Mr. Ackerman? Freshman Beanies? You are a joke.
Oh, come off it. Let's not start making jokes about people WHO DIED, you baboon.
Criminy.
Quote from: BashDad on October 28, 2011, 07:26:53 PM
Oh, come off it. Let's not start making jokes about people WHO DIED, you baboon.
Criminy.
It is a much deeper issue than death dabashdad. An issue your fine institution of Sewing Machine Operation seems to be o.k. with, since it has so much faith in the Caveboyzz Rule dictating campus life.
Okay, well, I'm sure they'll give you a call when they're soliciting input on campus policies from, you know, whomever.
Can we get back to football, please?
I'd rather be something unique and thought-provoking than something trite and over-done. Tigers. Yawn.
Keep scoffing at Denison, Oberlin and Wooster. You'll find out soon enough they're not someone you just show up and beat. And you know, Austin and Rhodes and Sewanee are such...powers...
Exactamundo.
Bear [A.K.A. LonelyFanInTheStands1]: Can we please not argue about the paw print? It's really, really low-grade. It's like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_correlative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_correlative) of your entire program. And, otherwise, it is a *drawing of an animal's paw-print*. I don't want to condescend because I'm sure you know, but a "W" proud, red letter. Think: University of Wisconsin Not: Dexter Middle School
are we really arguing about who has better uniforms?? who cares?!?! if you want to show up in those hideous candy-stripes and beanies, be my guest...some caveboy will find it cute, i'm sure.
on the field....uniforms have NO impact on the damn game....
Mr. Irish,
I suppose you aren't in tune with the great Uni Watch blog and articles on Page 2 of ESPN. Sartorial eloquence is important in sports. Most importantly, you don't wanna look like damn clowns out there (like Oregon does most of the time, or Maryland this year).
I suppose you like those God-awful pajama pants they wear in baseball, and not the stirrups and socks that right and true and just baseball players wear.
You are right that it shouldn't matter between the lines. But I wonder if it gets into someone's psyche that they look like something a 3rd grader draws on the cover of his Trapper Keeper.
@LonelyFanInTheStands2
No, but your entire program is neither proud, nor ambitious (like your logo[?]), and that "Bears" on the kind of players you can attract. Which is already somewhat of a riddle because you guys are getting drubbed all the time.
Quote from: BashDad on October 28, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
@LonelyFanInTheStands2
No, but your entire program is neither proud, nor ambitious (like your logo[?]), and that "Bears" on the kind of players you can attract. Which is already somewhat of a riddle because you guys are getting drubbed all the time.
smed....yeah...agreed, don't want to look like clowns...quite honestly, don't think either team does out there. you bash our "paw", what the hell is a "little giant" anyway?? oxymoron and pretty hysterical. who fears a little giant?!?! would've been better off sticking with the caveboyyzzz
and, how many Bells did you win debashdad??? did you even attend debash?? not sure I ever remember getting pounded...never happened actually.
some of your brethren at least make a point or two every now and then. Yours are based on ignorance and pure stupidity.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 28, 2011, 09:29:22 PM
and, how many Bells did you win debashdad??? did you even attend debash?? not sure I ever remember getting pounded...never happened actually.
HAH! Speaking of ignorance and pure stupidity ::)
#3 (Bells, and jersey) http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2005
Quote from: BashDad on October 28, 2011, 09:43:56 PM
#3 (Bells, and jersey) http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2005
I appreciate the proof. Touche on a point being made there.
1 less Bell than we won...but not many win 3...much less, 4
Quote from: smedindy on October 28, 2011, 09:23:29 PM
Mr. Irish,
I suppose you aren't in tune with the great Uni Watch blog and articles on Page 2 of ESPN. Sartorial eloquence is important in sports. Most importantly, you don't wanna look like damn clowns out there (like Oregon does most of the time, or Maryland this year).
I suppose you like those God-awful pajama pants they wear in baseball, and not the stirrups and socks that right and true and just baseball players wear.
You are right that it shouldn't matter between the lines. But I wonder if it gets into someone's psyche that they look like something a 3rd grader draws on the cover of his Trapper Keeper.
Candy Strips . . . Little Giants attack!!
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on October 28, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: BashDad on October 28, 2011, 09:43:56 PM
#3 (Bells, and jersey) http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2005
I appreciate the proof. Touche on a point being made there.
1 less Bell than we won...but not many win 3...much less, 4
Wait. Dabash made a point? (Enter sound of me clapping).
Quote from: bashbrother on October 26, 2011, 01:39:56 PM
Has anyone heard who will be calling the game this year for HDNet?
The 2011 HDNet broadcast team for the Monon Bell Classic will return play-by-play announcer Kenny Rice and veteran analyst and former NFL player Paul Maguire to the booth, with Brad Wochomurka, a 2004 DePauw University graduate and former Tiger football player, providing updates from the sidelines.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=27789
Interesting to see how DPU and Wabash competed against common opponents this season. This has obviously been a very, very difficult season for the Tigers, but they seemed to compete against the two NCAC teams on their schedule:
OWU
DPU, with a freshman QB starting his first game, won by 24 on the road.
Wabash won by 21 at home.
Allegheny
DPU went up by 10 before falling 17-10 on the road.
Wabash is pushed to the limit before escaping with a 6 point win on the road.
Doesn't mean anything...but as the Tigers wait for their certain demise, perhaps by 100 points, to the incredible, insanely talented Little Giants, I thought I would pass along. ;)
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 30, 2011, 07:52:36 PM
Interesting to see how DPU and Wabash competed against common opponents this season. This has obviously been a very, very difficult season for the Tigers, but they seemed to compete against the two NCAC teams on their schedule:
OWU
DPU, with a freshman QB starting his first game, won by 24 on the road.
Wabash won by 21 at home.
Allegheny
DPU went up by 10 before falling 17-10 on the road.
Wabash is pushed to the limit before escaping with a 6 point win on the road.
Doesn't mean anything...but as the Tigers wait for their certain demise, perhaps by 100 points, to the incredible, insanely talented Little Giants, I thought I would pass along. ;)
I knew that was coming.... keep grasping at anything ..... poor Dannies....... you have to be pumped with confidence after barely beating an 0-6 Austin...... Just get ready to leave early on 11/12.
QuoteI knew that was coming.... keep grasping at anything ..... poor Dannies....... you have to be pumped with confidence after barely beating an 0-6 Austin...... Just get ready to leave early on 11/12.
Grasping? Just passing along something that was surprising to me given the Tigers obvious struggles this year. As I said, it doesn't mean anything. And if you knew the post was coming, it must have caught your attention, too.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 31, 2011, 07:32:05 AM
QuoteI knew that was coming.... keep grasping at anything ..... poor Dannies....... you have to be pumped with confidence after barely beating an 0-6 Austin...... Just get ready to leave early on 11/12.
Grasping? Just passing along something that was surprising to me given the Tigers obvious struggles this year. As I said, it doesn't mean anything. And if you knew the post was coming, it must have caught your attention, too.
The numbers do not lie.
I will admit, on face value, the numbers are closer than one would think... that is if one gives too much weight to h to h common opponent results.
I wish the Bell was Saturday, I am actually tired of talking about it. As I mentioned in a previous post, one can hope, but not expect another blowout, history tells us, it just doesn't play out that way.
Quote from: bashbrother on October 31, 2011, 02:41:56 PM
I will admit, on face value, the numbers are closer than one would think... that is if one gives too much weight to h to h common opponent results.
I wish the Bell was Saturday, I am actually tired of talking about it. As I mentioned in a previous post, one can hope, but not expect another blowout, history tells us, it just doesn't play out that way.
that's what i've mentioned in past posts...i'm looking forward to being a member of the NCAC....i'll say it again, outside of Wittenberg, there's no one in the conference. Probably why they didn't let DeBash in the playoffs last year.....
I'm with you.....I wish the game was on Saturday too.....but, all good things must wait.....
Irish,
Wabash's SOS was quite impressive last year. The loss to Wash U. was the deciding factor. But if I recall, their SOS was #15 or so based on the NCAA calculations.
Go ahead and take the NCAC lightly. Just go ahead. Probably just like you took Rhodes and Sewanee lightly this year. Ooops.
What's the difference between Hiram and Austin anyway - besides mascots and the fact that Austin has a designated tailgating area?
I'm fairly certain that Wabash did not make the playoffs last year for the simple reason that they lost two games.
No need to run down your own conference. I have no doubt that DPU will be returning home from Meadville and Wooster with many results in the "L" column in the years to come. DPU won't find it any easier to win championships in the NCAC than it did in the SCAC.
Quote from: Schwami on October 31, 2011, 03:47:40 PM
I'm fairly certain that Wabash did not make the playoffs last year for the simple reason that they lost two games.
No need to run down your own conference. I have no doubt that DPU will be returning home from Meadville and Wooster with many results in the "L" column in the years to come. DPU won't find it any easier to win championships in the NCAC than it did in the SCAC.
I can't wait until Depauw gets to run up the NCAC Championships and Bell wins in the future. I am sure there will be some L's along the way, but I have a feeling there will be a lot more Ws.
Quote from: smedindy on October 31, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
Irish,
Go ahead and take the NCAC lightly. Just go ahead. Probably just like you took Rhodes and Sewanee lightly this year. Ooops.
we lost our quarterbacks in both games. one to a blown ACL and the other due to a severe concussion. Which is now the reason you'll get Seaman at Monon. You'll like that better anyway for obvious reasons.
I can't wait until Depauw has a coach that will see players he recruited graduate.
Quote from: BashDad on October 31, 2011, 08:34:27 PM
I can't wait until Depauw has a coach that will see players he recruited graduate.
says a guy from a team with a coach in his 4th year - getting to see 'his' kids graduate for the first time. been saving that one??
Last four DPU coaches: Long, Walker, Rogers, Lynch
Last four Wabash coaches: Raeburn, Creighton, Carlson, Parrish.
Yes, it goes back to Stan Parrish, the man who coached Pete Metzelaars at Wabash.
Smeds.... years comparison? may illustrate the point even more.
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
Last four DPU coaches: Long, Walker, Rogers, Lynch
Last four Wabash coaches: Raeburn, Creighton, Carlson, Parrish.
Yes, it goes back to Stan Parrish, the man who coached Pete Metzelaars at Wabash.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
Smeds.... years comparison? may illustrate the point even more.
put the years in there?? who cares?? the walker one really stings....the true story still hasn't manifested, though some know it. Lynch stayed one year, won the Bell and left for IU - tough to blame him for that. Long has led DePauw to the playoffs back to back years after we never qualified prior to that.....I'll give you Rogers......tack on Nick and that's 5 coaches - and yes, Nick is the man who coached against Metzelaars.....
Hopefully, Depauw finds some stability in that area........ the program needs it. Actually, many times after schools lose a long-time leader like Coach Nick, it takes awhile to find the next one. Wabash got lucky with ER (Tweeters listening?) ..... Maybe Long is it. Time will tell.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 12:24:41 AM
Hopefully, Depauw finds some stability in that area........ the program needs it. Actually, many times after schools lose a long-time leader like Coach Nick, it takes awhile to find the next one. Wabash got lucky with ER (Tweeters listening?) ..... Maybe Long is it. Time will tell.
tough to disagree with you here. I agree, once a leader has left, one that has earned a ton of respect, it's tough to be the coach coming into that shadow to build your program. we definitely need stability. both programs, more importantly, this rivalry is better for it.
A ton of pressure on new coaches of winning D3 programs to maintain program and deliver wins, under very tough non-scholarship dynamic, admission standards, cost of school, dealing with Administration etc. Safe to say, that not every talented football coach is an automatic success at the D3 Level.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 12:16:17 AM
put the years in there?? who cares?? the walker one really stings....the true story still hasn't manifested, though some know it. Lynch stayed one year, won the Bell and left for IU - tough to blame him for that. Long has led DePauw to the playoffs back to back years after we never qualified prior to that.....I'll give you Rogers......tack on Nick and that's 5 coaches - and yes, Nick is the man who coached against Metzelaars.....
I don't understand your point. You're saying that, no, Depauw has no recent problem retaining coaches? Seriously?
Dudes, I'm not even being a homer when I tell you that you are absolutely losing recruits to Wabash because
you can't keep a coach. It's not even debatable. I would love to hear the argument for how Depauw has overcome not one, not two, not three, but four--FOUR!--different off-seasons in the last 7 years telling recruits that hey, sorry, if you hold the phone for a few weeks while we get our house in order, we can tell you who'll be leading things around here.
That's ridiculous. You think you just, like--oops--accidentally fell into this season's team? You didn't. You got beat recruiting. You were hiring coaches. And then firing them. Or they were suing you. Or whatever.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
Smeds.... years comparison? may illustrate the point even more.
Let them do the research! Heh.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
Last four DPU coaches: Long, Walker, Rogers, Lynch
Last four Wabash coaches: Raeburn, Creighton, Carlson, Parrish.
Yes, it goes back to Stan Parrish, the man who coached Pete Metzelaars at Wabash.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
Smeds.... years comparison? may illustrate the point even more.
put the years in there?? who cares?? the walker one really stings....the true story still hasn't manifested, though some know it. Lynch stayed one year, won the Bell and left for IU - tough to blame him for that. Long has led DePauw to the playoffs back to back years after we never qualified prior to that.....I'll give you Rogers......tack on Nick and that's 5 coaches - and yes, Nick is the man who coached against Metzelaars.....
I could have went back to Frank Navarro, the man who really gave a boost to Wabash's football tradition culminating in a Stagg Bowl appearance. But it illustrates the short term instability at DPU, which is a problem.
The NCAC has some long-term coaches. Coaches at Allegheny, Wittenberg, OWU, Oberlin and Wooster all have very long term coaches. Hatem at Denison has been in the program since 2005 and is well respected in Ohio. Stanley has been at Kenyon eight years. Only Hiram has turned coaches around with regularity, and see where the Terriers are.
you guys....read a post or two back from me....i said i AGREE.....I know we're getting beat in the recruiting market with the instability in our coaching department...The coaching changes make me sick - for whatever the reason - leaving for bigger programs, suing, whatever it is...it's not good. I'm not making light of the situation.
We were bound for a step back this season - with 7 ROAD GAMES....and 2 losing our 1st and 2nd string quarterbacks for the season due to injury. I get it. So, no, I don't need to do the research, and we don't need to go back to when Wabash was playing for the Stagg Bowl, because it's irrelevant. I expected to go through a few years of tough times when Nick left, but I'm sure he'd tell you, if he knew it would've been like this, he could've just been DPU's version of JoePa and stayed on for stability.
Frankly, I thought when coach Nick left DPU was going to find their own version of Chris Creighton - a young vibrant coach with a winning philosophy.
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Frankly, I thought when coach Nick left DPU was going to find their own version of Chris Creighton - a young vibrant coach with a winning philosophy.
couldn't agree more....had Walker and he blew it......
we HAVE to find that guy again.....maybe it is Long....something though, tells me it's not
QuoteHopefully, Depauw finds some stability in that area........ the program needs it. Actually, many times after schools lose a long-time leader like Coach Nick, it takes awhile to find the next one. Wabash got lucky with ER (Tweeters listening?) ..... Maybe Long is it. Time will tell.
QuoteDudes, I'm not even being a homer when I tell you that you are absolutely losing recruits to Wabash because
you can't keep a coach. It's not even debatable. I would love to hear the argument for how Depauw has overcome not one, not two, not three, but four--FOUR!--different off-seasons in the last 7 years telling recruits that hey, sorry, if you hold the phone for a few weeks while we get our house in order, we can tell you who'll be leading things around here.
I agree with what both of you are saying, bashbrother and DPUIrish. At the risk of stating the obvious, the Tigers need to establish some consistency with the head job. No question and I think Robby can be that guy. Regarding recruiting, I did a quick roster scan (very quick)...the 2006 class shrunk after the Rogers exit, but still included Dick, Mulligan and Fitch; didn't seem to be an impact in 2007 class with Koors, Sherer, Preuss, Doane, Huffman to name a few; 2008, Turnbow, Johnson, Valdeserri, Lewis Brown...what you say makes sense...that DPU could lose recruits because of the coaching carousel...but who are they? Again, I agree that head coaching situation needs to be stabalized, but just as importantly, back to an earlier post, the administration (Casey and new AD) need to make a few moves to support the program in a more forceful way...IMHO...
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 10:42:28 AM
you guys....read a post or two back from me....i said i AGREE.....I know we're getting beat in the recruiting market with the instability in our coaching department...The coaching changes make me sick - for whatever the reason - leaving for bigger programs, suing, whatever it is...it's not good. I'm not making light of the situation.
We were bound for a step back this season - with 7 ROAD GAMES....and 2 losing our 1st and 2nd string quarterbacks for the season due to injury. I get it. So, no, I don't need to do the research, and we don't need to go back to when Wabash was playing for the Stagg Bowl, because it's irrelevant. I expected to go through a few years of tough times when Nick left, but I'm sure he'd tell you, if he knew it would've been like this, he could've just been DPU's version of JoePa and stayed on for stability.
I disagree DPUIrish. Any recruit who decides to Dabash over Depauw either, 1) Doesn't have the scores to get into Depauw, or 2) has some other pressure making him decide to go to Dabash. I doubt Depauw is losing its recruits to the all boyzzz technical institute up North unless Dabash is offering more than an opportunity to play D3 football. We are having a down season right now, but we were 2010 SCAC Champions, 2009 SCAC Co-Champs, Qualified for the Playoffs both those years, and have had 15 straight .500 plus seasons. We may have had coaching changes since Nick left, but the stats don't show a program in trouble. Sure this season is a rough one, but we did lose 2 QBs and have had enough away games that any one home game is Homecoming, Community Appriciation, and Senior Day. As it stands right now a Depauw Monon Win will erase those few loses.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Frankly, I thought when coach Nick left DPU was going to find their own version of Chris Creighton - a young vibrant coach with a winning philosophy.
couldn't agree more....had Walker and he blew it......
we HAVE to find that guy again.....maybe it is Long....something though, tells me it's not
Walker blowing it is a stretch. I think University Politics are to blame for that one. If anything, Depauw blew it with letting Walker get away.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2011, 11:28:45 AM
QuoteHopefully, Depauw finds some stability in that area........ the program needs it. Actually, many times after schools lose a long-time leader like Coach Nick, it takes awhile to find the next one. Wabash got lucky with ER (Tweeters listening?) ..... Maybe Long is it. Time will tell.
QuoteDudes, I'm not even being a homer when I tell you that you are absolutely losing recruits to Wabash because
you can't keep a coach. It's not even debatable. I would love to hear the argument for how Depauw has overcome not one, not two, not three, but four--FOUR!--different off-seasons in the last 7 years telling recruits that hey, sorry, if you hold the phone for a few weeks while we get our house in order, we can tell you who'll be leading things around here.
I agree with what both of you are saying, bashbrother and DPUIrish. At the risk of stating the obvious, the Tigers need to establish some consistency with the head job. No question and I think Robby can be that guy. Regarding recruiting, I did a quick roster scan (very quick)...the 2006 class shrunk after the Rogers exit, but still included Dick, Mulligan and Fitch; didn't seem to be an impact in 2007 class with Koors, Sherer, Preuss, Doane, Huffman to name a few; 2008, Turnbow, Johnson, Valdeserri, Lewis Brown...what you say makes sense...that DPU could lose recruits because of the coaching carousel...but who are they? Again, I agree that head coaching situation needs to be stabalized, but just as importantly, back to an earlier post, the administration (Casey and new AD) need to make a few moves to support the program in a more forceful way...IMHO...
It would be interesting to see which recruits actually went to Dabash over Depauw.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=27820
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I disagree DPUIrish. Any recruit who decides to Dabash over Depauw either, 1) Doesn't have the scores to get into Depauw, or 2) has some other pressure making him decide to go to Dabash. I doubt Depauw is losing its recruits to the all boyzzz technical institute up North unless Dabash is offering more than an opportunity to play D3 football. We are having a down season right now, but we were 2010 SCAC Champions, 2009 SCAC Co-Champs, Qualified for the Playoffs both those years, and have had 15 straight .500 plus seasons. We may have had coaching changes since Nick left, but the stats don't show a program in trouble. Sure this season is a rough one, but we did lose 2 QBs and have had enough away games that any one home game is Homecoming, Community Appriciation, and Senior Day. As it stands right now a Depauw Monon Win will erase those few loses.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Frankly, I thought when coach Nick left DPU was going to find their own version of Chris Creighton - a young vibrant coach with a winning philosophy.
couldn't agree more....had Walker and he blew it......
we HAVE to find that guy again.....maybe it is Long....something though, tells me it's not
Walker blowing it is a stretch. I think University Politics are to blame for that one. If anything, Depauw blew it with letting Walker get away.
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Bear
I never said we lost recruits to debash....just said we're losing the recruiting war period. I know a specific example of a left tackle we had in the bag - can dpu for illinois wesleyan at last minute because of coaching uncertainties.....
as for Walker, you know where i stand on that.....I'm in your camp. University made a horrendous move there.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
I disagree DPUIrish. Any recruit who decides to Dabash over Depauw either, 1) Doesn't have the scores to get into Depauw, or 2) has some other pressure making him decide to go to Dabash. I doubt Depauw is losing its recruits to the all boyzzz technical institute up North unless Dabash is offering more than an opportunity to play D3 football. We are having a down season right now, but we were 2010 SCAC Champions, 2009 SCAC Co-Champs, Qualified for the Playoffs both those years, and have had 15 straight .500 plus seasons. We may have had coaching changes since Nick left, but the stats don't show a program in trouble. Sure this season is a rough one, but we did lose 2 QBs and have had enough away games that any one home game is Homecoming, Community Appriciation, and Senior Day. As it stands right now a Depauw Monon Win will erase those few loses.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 10:51:04 AM
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Frankly, I thought when coach Nick left DPU was going to find their own version of Chris Creighton - a young vibrant coach with a winning philosophy.
couldn't agree more....had Walker and he blew it......
we HAVE to find that guy again.....maybe it is Long....something though, tells me it's not
Walker blowing it is a stretch. I think University Politics are to blame for that one. If anything, Depauw blew it with letting Walker get away.
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Bear
I never said we lost recruits to debash....just said we're losing the recruiting war period. I know a specific example of a left tackle we had in the bag - can dpu for illinois wesleyan at last minute because of coaching uncertainties.....
as for Walker, you know where i stand on that.....I'm in your camp. University made a horrendous move there.
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We are on the same page, just want Dabash County to know that there is the slimmest of chance a Depauw recruit would decide on Dabash over Depauw.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 01, 2011, 11:39:23 AM
I disagree DPUIrish. Any recruit who decides to Dabash over Depauw either, 1) Doesn't have the scores to get into Depauw, or 2) has some other pressure making him decide to go to Dabash. I doubt Depauw is losing its recruits to the all boyzzz technical institute up North unless Dabash is offering more than an opportunity to play D3 football. We are having a down season right now, but we were 2010 SCAC Champions, 2009 SCAC Co-Champs, Qualified for the Playoffs both those years, and have had 15 straight .500 plus seasons. We may have had coaching changes since Nick left, but the stats don't show a program in trouble. Sure this season is a rough one, but we did lose 2 QBs and have had enough away games that any one home game is Homecoming, Community Appriciation, and Senior Day. As it stands right now a Depauw Monon Win will erase those few loses.
Everything you just listed off, Wabash has done better. More consecutive non-losing season, more conference championships, more playoff appearances...now add in that Wabash has actually advanced in the playoffs, has superior alumni and community support on gamedays, and has far superior facilities...you're delusional if you think DePauw is winning a recruiting battle with an unbiased prospective student athlete. Just delusional. Taking the programs as a whole, Wabash is absolutely stomping a mudhole in DePauw. It isn't even close.
QuoteEverything you just listed off, Wabash has done better. More consecutive non-losing season, more conference championships, more playoff appearances...now add in that Wabash has actually advanced in the playoffs, has superior alumni and community support on gamedays, and has far superior facilities...you're delusional if you think DePauw is winning a recruiting battle with an unbiased prospective student athlete. Just delusional. Taking the programs as a whole, Wabash is absolutely stomping a mudhole in DePauw. It isn't even close.
Exactly what (or who) is an "unbiased student-athlete?" ;D
And just who are all of these guys DePauw is losing to Wabash?
Superior alumni, delusional? Wow.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2011, 03:21:30 PM
QuoteEverything you just listed off, Wabash has done better. More consecutive non-losing season, more conference championships, more playoff appearances...now add in that Wabash has actually advanced in the playoffs, has superior alumni and community support on gamedays, and has far superior facilities...you're delusional if you think DePauw is winning a recruiting battle with an unbiased prospective student athlete. Just delusional. Taking the programs as a whole, Wabash is absolutely stomping a mudhole in DePauw. It isn't even close.
Exactly what (or who) is an "unbiased student-athlete?" ;D
And just who are all of these guys DePauw is losing to Wabash?
Superior alumni, delusional? Wow.
I'm talking about prospectives that aren't influenced by things like a family connection to one school or the other...things like that.
You go back and watch every minute of last year's game. You tell me who has better players. Not all of those players were recruited by both schools. Some of them were. Many of them chose Wabash...and those that did proved to be way, way better than the players that didn't. That is not disputable.
You really need to breathe, my man. ;D Relax. It will be OK.
It is easy to assume that there are players, maybe more than a few. Being that very few if any on this board have close enough knowledge inside the recruiting process to make comments of fact about recruiting battles won or lost., I think we are all smart enough to know that the recent instability and lack of facility upgrades in the Football program is causing some casualties. (47-0 probably didn't help) They may not all go to Wabash, but Depauw has lost some better players the last couple of years. Players they needs to prevent the drop off this year.
It is a pretty simple formula actually - Recruit quality + Player retention = Winning team on the field. (32-9 in the previous 4 years.... probably finishing 2011, 3-6) Recruiting deficiency is a part, if not a big part, of the fall off. (I left coaching out of the equation on purpose)
Stable programs, may drop off a bit, but have the depth to not fall of the cliff.
With facility upgrades to match up with what is becoming the norm in D3 and coaching stability; Depauw will be back.
Injuries are a wash, every team including Wabash has suffered significant injuries... it's the depth behind the injuries that matters. Case in point, Wabash lost a rising-star Linebacker for the season a few games back.... insert Freshman Linebacker without much of a drop-off.... He is currently 5th on the Team in Tackles as a freshman..
(I believe, not certain, that he is one that had Wabash and Depauw as his finalists, as well as one or two others)
QuoteIt is easy to assume that there are players, maybe more than a few. Being that very few if any on this board have close enough knowledge inside the recruiting process to make comments of fact about recruiting battles won or lost., I think we are all smart enough to know that the recent instability and lack of facility upgrades in the Football program is causing some casualties. (47-0 probably didn't help) They may not all go to Wabash, but Depauw has lost some better players the last couple of years. Players they needs to prevent the drop off this year.
It is a pretty simple formula actually - Recruit quality + Player retention = Winning team on the field. (32-9 in the previous 4 years.... probably finishing 2011, 3-6) Recruiting deficiency is a part, if not a big part, of the fall off.
Stable programs, may drop off a bit, but have the depth to not fall of the cliff.
With Facility upgrades to match up with the rest of the NCAC, (most schools have tremendous Football facilities) and coaching stability; Depauw will be back. Injuries are a wash, every team including Wabash has suffered significant injuries... it's the depth behind the injuries that matters.
I respect you opinion, but don't flat accept that perhaps more than a few players, in particular players that matter, chose Wabash over DePauw. Maybe some did, I don't know. We also need to remember that DIII kids (the vast majority anyway) are not making decisions based purely on football. As much as some people in here would like it to be, this is not major college football. And BTW, I presume your 47-0 reference would hold true for the 36-14 ass whipping you took on your home field in 2008?
I don't know about the football facilities inn the NCAC other than Wabash, but I do agree with you that Depauw needs to make some upgrades...as I've mentioned the administration needs to do some things that show more of a commitment...as long as they don't get turf. :)
As far as where you guys stack up against the NCAC with respect to facilities...you're the new Earlham. That is not complimentary.
Oh my god, you're insane if you don't think Wabash and Depauw are after the same players.
I can't believe we're even having this argument.
BashDad - Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Crawfordsville? Another reason why I enjoyed the "Monon Miracle" so much.
QuoteOh my god, you're insane if you don't think Wabash and Depauw are after the same players.
Oh, that's right. What are we thinking? ;D
This is like yelling fire to a burn victim.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2011, 04:19:42 PM
QuoteIt is easy to assume that there are players, maybe more than a few. Being that very few if any on this board have close enough knowledge inside the recruiting process to make comments of fact about recruiting battles won or lost., I think we are all smart enough to know that the recent instability and lack of facility upgrades in the Football program is causing some casualties. (47-0 probably didn't help) They may not all go to Wabash, but Depauw has lost some better players the last couple of years. Players they needs to prevent the drop off this year.
It is a pretty simple formula actually - Recruit quality + Player retention = Winning team on the field. (32-9 in the previous 4 years.... probably finishing 2011, 3-6) Recruiting deficiency is a part, if not a big part, of the fall off.
Stable programs, may drop off a bit, but have the depth to not fall of the cliff.
With Facility upgrades to match up with the rest of the NCAC, (most schools have tremendous Football facilities) and coaching stability; Depauw will be back. Injuries are a wash, every team including Wabash has suffered significant injuries... it's the depth behind the injuries that matters.
I respect you opinion, but don't flat accept that perhaps more than a few players, in particular players that matter, chose Wabash over DePauw. Maybe some did, I don't know. We also need to remember that DIII kids (the vast majority anyway) are not making decisions based purely on football. As much as some people in here would like it to be, this is not major college football. And BTW, I presume your 47-0 reference would hold true for the 36-14 ass whipping you took on your home field in 2008?
I don't know about the football facilities inn the NCAC other than Wabash, but I do agree with you that Depauw needs to make some upgrades...as I've mentioned the administration needs to do some things that show more of a commitment...as long as they don't get turf. :)
Both of you make good points. The fact of the matter is Depauw and Dabash are still DIII schools who don't offer football players more than a chance to continue playing football for a few more years. There is no $ provided for playing the game. It is merely love of the game that keeps the player around for 4 more years.
Your reference to facility upgrades is confusing. Depauw is by far a better looking campus when you go head to head with Dabash. Almost every year I go back for the Bell game there is a new building at Depauw that changes the landscape of the University. There are some 36 major buildings on 695 acres, and a 520 acre nature park at Depauw. Dabash has 25 hovels on 60 acres.
Blackstock underwent a huge renovation in 1997 that added locker rooms, meeting rooms and improvements to restrooms, concession stand and the training room. In addition, in 2001 Depauw built the indoor track and tennis facility that hosted the NCAA DIII indoor Track and Field Championship.
Fine you guys got a sweet new rug to play on a few years back. I remember when domes were also all the rage. The game was never intended to be played that way, but I guess that is the one facility you trump Depauw, since it is newer.
Quote from: BashDad on November 01, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
Oh my god, you're insane if you don't think Wabash and Depauw are after the same players.
I can't believe we're even having this argument.
DabashBoy, you can't really believe that some one is going to go to all boy Dabash over Depauw, merely to play on the carpet for the caveboyzzz, if they are given the option? If so, you really missed out in college my friend. Either that, or they sure have some strong kool-aid at chapel sing.
I was just going to state some of these points Bear made.....have any of you arguing facilities, ever been IN the DPU facilities?? Outside of the field/stadium, which clearly you all hate - again, which is fine by me. The locker rooms are fantastic - spacious and accomodating....it's not like we're sharing lockers, or are overcrowded. The indoor facility...again, fantastic and has hosted several national events. Just because you built yours after doesn't mean a damn thing....so you got turf, a new scoreboard and a new "Little Giant" mascot....
I also agree that factors other than the football program sway a student-athlete's decision. Not purely football - as I'm sure most of you from debash would like to argue. I'm clearly biased but DPU has a better campus, better academics and a better experience....on and off the field.......
microphone is open.
Is the Visitors locker room still the out-house at the end of the field or has that been upgraded?......
I am not a huge fan of turf either, I grew up playing on the 1st generation Astro. (basically like playing on granite) but it sure looks good on a rainy/snowy November day.
DPUIrish1 - Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Greencastle? Another reason why I enjoyed the "The Hand Grenade" so much.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
Is the Visitors locker room still the out-house at the end of the field or has that been upgraded?......
I am not a huge fan of turf either, I grew up playing on the 1st generation Astro. (basically like playing on granite) but it sure looks good on a rainy/snowy November day.
I think the Visitors locker room (For lack of a better description) is still the out house.
Has dabash updated its visitor locker room from the one-holer closet in the basement?
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 01, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
Is the Visitors locker room still the out-house at the end of the field or has that been upgraded?......
I am not a huge fan of turf either, I grew up playing on the 1st generation Astro. (basically like playing on granite) but it sure looks good on a rainy/snowy November day.
I think the Visitors locker room (For lack of a better description) is still the out house.
Has dabash updated its visitor locker room from the one-holer closet in the basement?
who cares about the visitors locker room?? yes, it's still the outhouse......assuming you've upgraded what Bear has referenced.
think i'm going to have to get that "Hand Grenade" game posted on here
This game needs to get here..... the content on this board is deteriorating.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
This game needs to get here..... the content on this board is deteriorating.
AGGGGREEEEEEDDD....
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 01, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
This game needs to get here..... the content on this board is deteriorating.
AGGGGREEEEEEDDD....
Dabashdad took away all the fun. Now we are arguing about acreage, jersey color schemes, and carpet.
It has allowed me to learn more about both Depauw University and The Dabash School of Technicolor Maintenance.
Well, it's a step up from the previous material spun out by you, Bear...
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 01, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
DPUIrish1 - Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Greencastle? Another reason why I enjoyed the "The Hand Grenade" so much.
is this what you were referring to Bear?? Enjoy.
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I had not seen "The Grenade" clip - well worth the 15 yard penalty. I would bet that it pissed off the Wabash fans. Wish I had been there to see it in person. Weren't the games in the early 2000's have some problems with clashes between the fans? I was out completely out of the loop for a few years.
That was the late 90's, where the rough stuff in the past became serial during a Bell exchange.
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2011, 10:33:54 PM
That was the late 90's, where the rough stuff in the past became serial during a Bell exchange.
4th quarter comeback from 2000. I think we were down by 8 with just under 7 minutes to play.
This snipet regarding DPU injuries:
Seaman will likely be the starter at quarterback again next week after being hit hard during the game. Wagner's status is questionable after spraining his ankle.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 01, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
DPUIrish1 - Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Greencastle? Another reason why I enjoyed the "The Hand Grenade" so much.
is this what you were referring to Bear?? Enjoy.
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If I allow myself to simply be a crazed football fan, that was tremendous....now.... when I realized those were Dannies....it was pretty dumb.
;) Credit where credit is due. though. Good show
it's a rare clip that hasn't appeared anywhere....took some time to dig up....fun to see it again and realize that we pulled it off....
Pulled it off? Come on. You "pull off" a Bell heist. You don't "pull off" an unoriginal end zone celebration.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 01, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Pulled it off? Come on. You "pull off" a Bell heist. You don't "pull off" an unoriginal end zone celebration.
down 17-9 with 5 1/2 left....to score a td that late in the game to put game out of reach and still do it...yeah, we pulled it off....it was hilarious then, more hilarious now.
don't like it, then top it wally
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 01, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Pulled it off? Come on. You "pull off" a Bell heist. You don't "pull off" an unoriginal end zone celebration.
Hey wally_dabash . . . BOOM!
I'm giving a curmudgeonly golf clap to the grenade.
Sincerely,
Charles Foster Kane
Is it too late to edit the Monon Memories video from 2000? I don't seem to recall your peurile end zone celebration as being included. Do you know why I don't recall that? Because it wasn't part of the clip because it was completely foregettable and irrelevant. I didn't even know it happened until you brought it up here 11 years later.
Havercamp's field goal. Knott's hail mary. Back to back kickoff returns to start the 101st game. Halloween Heist. Operation Frijoles. These are seminal moments in our rivalry. Your stupid hand grenade celebration isn't making the list anytime soon. Or ever for that matter.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 02, 2011, 01:47:03 PM
Is it too late to edit the Monon Memories video from 2000? I don't seem to recall your peurile end zone celebration as being included. Do you know why I don't recall that? Because it wasn't part of the clip because it was completely foregettable and irrelevant. I didn't even know it happened until you brought it up here 11 years later.
Havercamp's field goal. Knott's hail mary. Back to back kickoff returns to start the 101st game. Halloween Heist. Operation Frijoles. These are seminal moments in our rivalry. Your stupid hand grenade celebration isn't making the list anytime soon. Or ever for that matter.
Nope, gotta disagree. Pretty sure this is making "the list" (not sure what imaginary list wally is referencing, but I'll have my office notarize it if we need it to be official). Sure, the grenade wasn't a play but it was very symbolic of our team taking control in the face of probable loss and not only winning but putting the game out of reach on our way to a 5th consecutive Bell. The fact that the celebration penalty didn't matter says it all.
Great find, DPUIrish... ;D That is hilarious. And on the LGs home turf...classic.
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Hooray America? I don't get it.
You sure that's not JOE Estevez as your icon, there, Bear?
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Hooray America? I don't get it.
I'll try to help you out here:
The Bell remains in its rightful place, and truth and justice reign in this great land.
And yes, what is it with that icon??
Wally FTW. Amazing.
Quote from: smedindy on November 02, 2011, 04:35:57 PM
You sure that's not JOE Estevez as your icon, there, Bear?
No, that is Emilio. Just noticed your sheep, that is appropriate
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Hooray America? I don't get it.
I'll try to help you out here:
The Bell remains in its rightful place, and truth and justice reign in this great land.
And yes, what is it with that icon??
Truth and justice are the last thing I think of when Dabash comes up.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 02, 2011, 05:07:41 PM
Truth and justice are the last thing I think of when Dabash comes up.
agreed, Bear. 'Merica
I do have a serious question, why doesn't the dabash school of ink cartridge repair have a sister school? Has there ever been a sister school?
Yeah. Its name is Depauw.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 02, 2011, 05:17:47 PM
I do have a serious question, why doesn't the dabash school of ink cartridge repair have a sister school? Has there ever been a sister school?
Quote from: BashDad on November 02, 2011, 05:46:20 PM
Yeah. Its name is Depauw.
debashdad
just because your sister made a better choice and went to depauw, doesn't make it your sister school
Quote from: BashDad on November 02, 2011, 05:46:20 PM
Yeah. Its name is Depauw.
Dabashdad, you are worthless.
Everytime anyone tries to talk about anything on this board you immediately have some stupid caveboy remark. When anyone says anything that rubs you wrong, you cry about the "same schtick" and fall behind your blatant lack of originality. I guess you can take the boy out of the cave, but you can never expect him to grow up.
I can't wait for the next week and a half.
We don't need no sister schools.
Wabash = Ron Swanson
DPU = Andy Bernard
(David Spade? Bear, the 90's called and the don't even show reruns of Just Shoot Me anymore! ;) )
Quote from: smedindy on November 02, 2011, 06:13:19 PM
We don't need no sister schools.
ahhhh...right, why would you?? sister refers to women which, i forgot, you do not allow. our bad.
Bear:
In answer to your question, Wabash has never had a "sister" school. Based on what I have learned over the years, only a minority of all-male schools did not have a sister school, primarily dependent upon their location vis a vis population centers. For instance, Dartmouth was the only all-male Ivy not to have a sister school in close proximity due to its rural location. Mount Holyoke is their traditional "sister" school only because it was the closest of the Seven Sisters. At times over the many years, Wabash fraternities established a variety of formal and informal relationships with sororities from various schools to offset the lack of a sister school.
However, in my family DePauw is represented by an aunt, a sister and a wife, all outstanding graduates of our sister school.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 02, 2011, 07:51:10 PM
Bear:
In answer to your question, Wabash has never had a "sister" school. Based on what I have learned over the years, only a minority of all-male schools did not have a sister school, primarily dependent upon their location vis a vis population centers. For instance, Dartmouth was the only all-male Ivy not to have a sister school in close proximity due to its rural location. Mount Holyoke is their traditional "sister" school only because it was the closest of the Seven Sisters. At times over the many years, Wabash fraternities established a variety of formal and informal relationships with sororities from various schools to offset the lack of a sister school.
However, in my family DePauw is represented by an aunt, a sister and a wife, all outstanding graduates of our sister school.
Thank you Dabash Hokie.
You think with Dabash's small size, and the number of smaller Colleges throughout Indiana that a "sister" school would have come along over the years.
Let me try, as a newby to the Board, only several posts over a long period. But I know the recent recruiting battle close up. Trust me. One side probably will, the other won't. Both schools are fine academic institutions, despite the comments of some. Reference the usual national publications. Both have recent success athetically, and not just in football. Walker's seniors graduated last year. The 2010 Bell Game was a strange game. Who would have figured? In those cases where the schools have gone head to head on a recruit Wabash has more often that not gotten the upper hand. Not always, but often enough to make a difference. I once heard a coach say: "It's not the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmys and the Joes." Right now, Wabash has more athletes. Does that mean that the Bell Game is a lock; certainly not, with DePauw playing for redemption. But overall the recent battle for athletes goes to Wabash, and especially in Indiana.
No sister school? Wabash - the vocational institute of brotherly love.
Still trying to figure out why someone would voluntarily waste 4 years re-enacting prison scenes when the Holy Land is 27 miles south. A bash student has two chances for college glory: a) playing football, or b) standing on the sideline in candy stripes looking like a clown. And upon securing the aforementioned roles, these select wallies will be idolized by 870 dudes. You couldn't get the 18 year old me drunk enough to enroll for that sideshow. Oh, and Jesus HATES wabash so there's that too.
On another note, that game at Austin was a good win. QUALITY OF OPPONENT ASIDE, that game was brutal. Austin was clearly frustrated and flags were flying (2 late hits from the same player). I view it as a good refresher for our guys. Rough games are always a good primer this time of year.
Quote from: sigma one on November 02, 2011, 08:24:35 PM
Let me try, as a newby to the Board, only several posts over a long period. But I know the recent recruiting battle close up. Trust me. One side probably will, the other won't. Both schools are fine academic institutions, despite the comments of some. Reference the usual national publications. Both have recent success athetically, and not just in football. Walker's seniors graduated last year. The 2010 Bell Game was a strange game. Who would have figured? In those cases where the schools have gone head to head on a recruit Wabash has more often that not gotten the upper hand. Not always, but often enough to make a difference. I once heard a coach say: "It's not the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmys and the Joes." Right now, Wabash has more athletes. Does that mean that the Bell Game is a lock; certainly not, with DePauw playing for redemption. But overall the recent battle for athletes goes to Wabash, and especially in Indiana.
But DIII is more than just being an Athlete, it is about being a true Scholar Athlete. Sounds like Dabash is getting a lot more meat than brains.
Quote from: sigma one on November 02, 2011, 08:24:35 PM
Let me try, as a newby to the Board, only several posts over a long period. But I know the recent recruiting battle close up. Trust me. One side probably will, the other won't. Both schools are fine academic institutions, despite the comments of some. Reference the usual national publications. Both have recent success athetically, and not just in football. Walker's seniors graduated last year. The 2010 Bell Game was a strange game. Who would have figured? In those cases where the schools have gone head to head on a recruit Wabash has more often that not gotten the upper hand. Not always, but often enough to make a difference. I once heard a coach say: "It's not the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmys and the Joes." Right now, Wabash has more athletes. Does that mean that the Bell Game is a lock; certainly not, with DePauw playing for redemption. But overall the recent battle for athletes goes to Wabash, and especially in Indiana.
I don't know enough about the recruits' short lists to say for sure, but I have a feeling your right. The wallies do have some impressive young players and I'd be surprised if DPU wasn't also an option. But what gave wally world the nod? A few guys on this board have pointed to lack of coaching stability and I tend to agree.
QuoteLet me try, as a newby to the Board, only several posts over a long period. But I know the recent recruiting battle close up. Trust me. One side probably will, the other won't.
Just curious, from your "close up" perspective, When did this preference for Wabash over DePauw begin? The "more times than not" head to head recruits xchoosing Wabash?
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 02, 2011, 08:37:30 PM
Sounds like Dabash is getting a lot more meat than brains.
Oh, does it? And what
in the heavenly universe can you point to as evidence for that brilliant piece of analysis?
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 02, 2011, 09:00:39 PM
QuoteLet me try, as a newby to the Board, only several posts over a long period. But I know the recent recruiting battle close up. Trust me. One side probably will, the other won't.
Just curious, from your "close up" perspective, When did this preference for Wabash over DePauw begin? The "more times than not" head to head recruits xchoosing Wabash?
Chris. Creighton.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on Today at 09:00:39 pm
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Let me try, as a newby to the Board, only several posts over a long period. But I know the recent recruiting battle close up. Trust me. One side probably will, the other won't.
Just curious, from your "close up" perspective, When did this preference for Wabash over DePauw begin? The "more times than not" head to head recruits xchoosing Wabash?
Chris. Creighton.
Have to agree with BashDad on this one. Creighton did a great job in organizing the recruiting process and Raeburn has continued. We have seen an uptick in the number and quality of athletes coming into the football program, which, in turn, has also improved the quality of our track and baseball programs (my assessment).
QuoteChris. Creighton.
Outstanding coach AND recruiter. No doubt. I just don't remember DePauw losing too many top recruits to Wabash in 2006, 2007, 2008. Difference makers who seriously considered both schools. Classes that just graduated. Maybe I'm wrong...
...and that's not in any way saying that Coach Creighton didn't bring in quality guys, including some who strongly considered Depauw, while he was there...have a lot of respect for the guy...
Well, I'm pretty sure you'll notice two of them in ten days:
CJ Gumm and Wes Chamblee.
Also, aren't those the years that are most responsible for a 47-0 thrashing and this year's disappointment?
I don't understand. If we were ranking the best players on both teams, wouldn't we get pretty deep in the ranking before we had to write "Depauw?"
I may be wrong, but I think the only player of note on the DPU side of recent vintage that Wabash lost the recruiting battle for was Spud.
And it's not like we didn't have any QBs from 2006-09.
QuoteWell, I'm pretty sure you'll notice two of them in ten days:
CJ Gumm and Wes Chamblee.
Those would be two great players.
QuoteAlso, aren't those the years that are most responsible for a 47-0 thrashing and this year's disappointment?
I don't understand. If we were ranking the best players on both teams, wouldn't we get pretty deep in the ranking before we had to write "Depauw?"
Just as much as they contributed to the 36-14 thrashing that Wabash took on their home field in '08...i thought the discussion was about the guy with close up knowledge backing up his statement...
I'd say the only one was Koors. He's the only All-American.
Here are our All-Americans during the same time-frame:
Weston Kitley, Jonathan koop, CJ Gumm, Wes Chamblee, Evan Isaacs, Addrian Frederick
Spud doesn't count. We had an All American (Huff) under center when he was playing as a freshman. Also, I'm not sure Hudson doesn't win the head-to-head.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 02, 2011, 09:48:52 PM
QuoteWell, I'm pretty sure you'll notice two of them in ten days:
CJ Gumm and Wes Chamblee.
Those would be two great players.
QuoteAlso, aren't those the years that are most responsible for a 47-0 thrashing and this year's disappointment?
I don't understand. If we were ranking the best players on both teams, wouldn't we get pretty deep in the ranking before we had to write "Depauw?"
Just as much as they contributed to the 36-14 thrashing that Wabash took on their home field in '08...i thought the discussion was about the guy with close up knowledge backing up his statement...
I'm not sure you want to start an argument about bell wins since Creighton began his recruiting. Do you?
In any case, the 2008 score was the recruiting class of 2004. Which isn't, actually, the date range you were talking about and--also--is the single worst season of Wabash football in the decade since Creighton was hired. Not a coincidence.
Guys, guys,
I love this site every year, but I'm getting bored before it is even MBW! You think maybe Wabash has a more important (or at least immediate) consideration first, and DePauw has a pretty important consideration also with the AQ of the MIAA coming to town.
Maybe you ought to consider a blackout until at least Saturday night?! (Or SatERday night, if you're a fan of the LLPP. ;D)
Saturday is just the pre-game Tiger hate for us!
QuoteIn any case, the 2008 score was the recruiting class of 2004. Which isn't, actually, the date range you were talking about and--also--is the single worst season of Wabash football in the decade since Creighton was hired. Not a coincidence.
Really? The key players on both sides of the ball for DePauw in that game were 2006 and 2007 recruits. In fact, an '08 recruit rushed for 100 yards in that game and another frosh picked off two passes. Undefeated and #2 in the nation going into that game...that WAS a horrible team ;) You guys are awesome!!!!
Ypsi, you know that is impossible.
I do think the reason we are already up to Page 20 --- and it isn't even Monon Bell Week yet --- is because of the frustration of the DPU posters. They've long since thrown in the towel on their season (but for the one thing they hope can bring them redemption), so they post here as a form of therapy. And it's been a loooong year for them since the last Monon Bell game!
Quote from: Schwami on November 02, 2011, 10:10:43 PM
Ypsi, you know that is impossible.
I do think the reason we are already up to Page 20 --- and it isn't even Monon Bell Week yet --- is because of the frustration of the DPU posters. They've long since thrown in the towel on their season (but for the one thing they hope can bring them redemption), so they post here as a form of therapy. And it's been a loooong year for them since the last Monon Bell game!
here we go again - dear God. NEVER thrown in the towel...that's a joke...and you've used the same forum as your own therapy. I think you forgot this is not a one-sided rivalry. Sure...debash is 7-3 the last 10 years, but DePauw is 8-7 over the last 15 years. I'm all for pride, but let's stop acting like this is YOUR game and always has been. That's laughable.
Quote from: BashDad on November 02, 2011, 09:38:56 PM
If we were ranking the best players on both teams, wouldn't we get pretty deep in the ranking before we had to write "Depauw?"
This might actually be a fun idea. Here's my stab at our top-10. What are yours, DPU?
1. Wes Chamblee WR/KR - South Bend, IN
2. CJ Gum LB - North Judson, IN
3. Weston Kitley OL - Indianapolis, IN
4. Jonathan Horn WR - Carmel, IN
5. Chase Belton QB - Dayton, OH
6. Luke Zinsmaster LB - Logansport, IN
7. Vann Hunt RB - Phoenix, AZ
8. Austin Hodges CB - Plymouth, IN
9. James Kraus WR - North Judson, IN
10. Pat Clegg DL - Clarendon Hills, IL
Houston Hodges (CB) would have been in had he not been injured, as would Nate Scola (LB). Jonathon Koop (DB) is an All-American that isn't on my top ten and there's a handful of other players that are right up there (including a number of freshmen).
What do other Wabash folks think?
I did not say that Wabash has won ALL the recruiting battles when going head to head v. DePauw. I know recently they've won more than their share. I do not and will not name the names of current student-athletes. I did say that one side would trust me, and the other would not. OK. On the brain v. brawn comment--predictable and uninformed--I have a good sense of the Wabash individual and team GPAs, and the players and team do very well, thank you. (Here comes the snarky comment on the quality of a Wabash education!) I've also said previously that both schools are fine academic institutions as evidenced by the standard national rankings, whatever you may think of them. To be fair, I know of DePauw players that Wabash would love to have; I would not produce a list like the one here. There are DPU offensive linemen and defensive backs (and others, but not near the top at lease in notable numbers for me) who would be excellent players anywhere. By the way, on head to head in recruiting, there are plenty of reasons why a student-athlete chooses a particular school (varying by the individual) including, but not limited to, recent athletic-team success, the campus visit, contact with coaches and the rapport being established there, prospective major (I know of players who have gone to DPU for the business program; Wabash does not have a Business major), and "fit," that elusive but very important factor in the minds of 18, 19 year olds. I also mentioned Indiana as a recruiting base. It is Indiana only that I am referencing. DePauw does very well attracting players from out of state, with strong results in the St. Louis and Chicago areas. Wabash concentrates on Indiana, though the team has several fine players from other states. In about 10 days we will find out if any of this matters, and even then we won't know for sure. Fun, if aggrevating exchange among passionate people.
In all seriousness, if we DPU and Wabash both weren't top notch colleges with passionate alums and fans, this game wouldn't be as special as it is.
Quote from: smedindy on November 03, 2011, 09:21:40 AM
In all seriousness, if we DPU and Wabash both weren't top notch colleges with passionate alums and fans, this game wouldn't be as special as it is.
Quote from: sigma one on November 03, 2011, 07:57:55 AM
I would not produce a list like the one here. It is Indiana only that I am referencing. DePauw does very well attracting players from out of state, with strong results in the St. Louis and Chicago areas. Wabash concentrates on Indiana, though the team has several fine players from other states. In about 10 days we will find out if any of this matters, and even then we won't know for sure. Fun, if aggrevating exchange among passionate people.
thank you sigma and smed for making valid points and not producing a top 10 list with honorable mention candidates of your best recruits on the current debash team. that was a bit much, debashdad....seriously, unless you're the recruiting coordinator, you might want to spend more time in your job or whatever it is you do with your life.
Quote from: BashDad on November 02, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 02, 2011, 08:37:30 PM
Sounds like Dabash is getting a lot more meat than brains.
Oh, does it? And what in the heavenly universe can you point to as evidence for that brilliant piece of analysis?
The average verbal SAT score of students admitted to DePauw University falls between 530 and 650, and the average math SAT score is between 550 and 670. The average ACT score of admitted DePauw University students is between 24 and 29.
The average verbal SAT score of students admitted to Wabash College falls between 500 and 600, and the average math SAT score is between 530 and 660. The average ACT score of admitted Wabash College students is between 21 and 27.
Quote from: smedindy on November 03, 2011, 09:21:40 AM
In all seriousness, if we DPU and Wabash both weren't top notch colleges with passionate alums and fans, this game wouldn't be as special as it is.
Agree 100%. That is why you can go into any major city in America on Monon Saturday, and find a bar where two groups of people who won't even talk to each other, are watching a football game.
QuoteIn all seriousness, if we DPU and Wabash both weren't top notch colleges with passionate alums and fans, this game wouldn't be as special as it is.
Well said.
QuoteI did not say that Wabash has won ALL the recruiting battles when going head to head v. DePauw. I know recently they've won more than their share. I do not and will not name the names of current student-athletes. I did say that one side would trust me, and the other would not. OK. On the brain v. brawn comment--predictable and uninformed--I have a good sense of the Wabash individual and team GPAs, and the players and team do very well, thank you. (Here comes the snarky comment on the quality of a Wabash education!) I've also said previously that both schools are fine academic institutions as evidenced by the standard national rankings, whatever you may think of them. To be fair, I know of DePauw players that Wabash would love to have; I would not produce a list like the one here. There are DPU offensive linemen and defensive backs (and others, but not near the top at lease in notable numbers for me) who would be excellent players anywhere. By the way, on head to head in recruiting, there are plenty of reasons why a student-athlete chooses a particular school (varying by the individual) including, but not limited to, recent athletic-team success, the campus visit, contact with coaches and the rapport being established there, prospective major (I know of players who have gone to DPU for the business program; Wabash does not have a Business major), and "fit," that elusive but very important factor in the minds of 18, 19 year olds. I also mentioned Indiana as a recruiting base. It is Indiana only that I am referencing. DePauw does very well attracting players from out of state, with strong results in the St. Louis and Chicago areas. Wabash concentrates on Indiana, though the team has several fine players from other states. In about 10 days we will find out if any of this matters, and even then we won't know for sure. Fun, if aggrevating exchange among passionate people.
Thanks for explaining and the legitimate reasoning behind your earlier post...and for your common sense regarding "the list." I agree with your points...I don't want to drag this discussion on ad nauseum as I believe it's run its course, but I would think cost and the financial aid packages could play a role as well with some student-athletes.
It does kinda bother me that the recruiting angle always gets used by the team who has had more recent success. I got that shoved down my throat in 2005 & 2006. Then 2007 and 2008 happened. And now, 3 years later, we've come back full circle. I get it. We all think after a couple of wins that our side is finally taking a step out of this quagmire. Maybe go on a tear of 7 or 8 wins in a row. But, we're not. Wabash isn't. DePauw hasn't and won't. Neither will very often anymore, I doubt. Not in this age where we're competing for the all the same players.
All the huffing and puffing, but we all know this rivalry still splits basically down the middle, and so does the recruiting. For every Short, there's a Koors. For every Knott, there's a Spud. For every Pynenberg, there's a Hertel. For every Marks, there's a Morris. It leans one way or the other in a sample of 3-5 years, but evens out over 10-12 years. It is what it is and it's great.
QuoteIt does kinda bother me that the recruiting angle always gets used by the team who has had more recent success. I got that shoved down my throat in 2005 & 2006. Then 2007 and 2008 happened. And now, 3 years later, we've come back full circle. I get it. We all think after a couple of wins that our side is finally taking a step out of this quagmire. Maybe go on a tear of 7 or 8 wins in a row. But, we're not. Wabash isn't. DePauw hasn't and won't. Neither will very often anymore, I doubt. Not in this age where we're competing for the all the same players.
All the huffing and puffing, but we all know this rivalry still splits basically down the middle, and so does the recruiting. For every Short, there's a Koors. For every Knott, there's a Spud. For every Pynenberg, there's a Hertel. For every Marks, there's a Morris. It leans one way or the other in a sample of 3-5 years, but evens out over 10-12 years. It is what it is and it's great.
Very accurate, especially your last sentence.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 03, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
For every Knott, there's a Spud.
Please.
This is the absolute essence of the argument boiled down.
Wabash is going to hold on to that bell for many, many years. You'll see.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 03, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
For every Knott, there's a Spud.
Oh my. I laughed way out lout at this.
11,213 passing yards, 116 TDs, 12,054 yards of total offense. Spud didn't even come close. He was a really good player, but you need to pump the brakes before you start putting him in the Knott-zone.
I originally wrote Harbaugh but didn't want to step on his toes. Couldn't win either way there. Cant really blame me trying to be nice to the guy, can ya? I felt like I gave some back in the Marks/Morris thing. It's not a stats contest. It's a good player contest. You've had some. We've had some. We still will.
Don't act like all Wabash recruits are guys that never consider DePauw. Like I said, we're chasing a bunch of the same guys. Some years you get more, some years we get more. Some of you considered DePauw. Some of us considered Wabash. We went seperate directions.
We're the worse team this year. Maybe we'll win. Maybe we won't. We'd still have a chance if we were 9-0 or 0-9. This rivalry has, and will continue to, prove that year in and year out. Like last year. Or 2007. Or any other year.
I may have this wrong, but the last Bell Game to feature a team that was under .500 was 1999, when DPU came in at 4-5 and Wabash was 5-4.
Not exactly 3-5 vs. 8-0...but still it's been a while. DPU finished 5-5 in 99, 01 and 03...
Quote from: smedindy on November 03, 2011, 04:23:58 PM
I may have this wrong, but the last Bell Game to feature a team that was under .500 was 1999, when DPU came in at 4-5 and Wabash was 5-4.
Not exactly 3-5 vs. 8-0...but still it's been a while. DPU finished 5-5 in 99, 01 and 03...
smed - without fact checking, you're correct about '99. I do believe that was the last time. both programs are successful. can't argue that....though i'm sure debashdad will come up with a top 10 list that will dispute that
Mock the top 10 list if you will, but there's some solid to-the-point content that actually pertains to next Saturday as opposed to reciting SAT numbers out of a brochure. How far down the list do you have to go before you can plug a DePauw player in? And how much farther down before you find another? How many of the top 20 players in this game will be wearing white next weekend? 17? 18? That's got to be a harsh reality to try and come to grips with.
Poo-poo the list all you want, but that list and the general idea behind it is probably the most game-relevant post we've seen in this forum all season.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 04:40:43 PM
Mock the top 10 list if you will, but there's some solid to-the-point content that actually pertains to next Saturday as opposed to reciting SAT numbers out of a brochure. How far down the list do you have to go before you can plug a DePauw player in? And how much farther down before you find another? How many of the top 20 players in this game will be wearing white next weekend? 17? 18? That's got to be a harsh reality to try and come to grips with.
Poo-poo the list all you want, but that list and the general idea behind it is probably the most game-relevant post we've seen in this forum all season.
And of your 17 or 18, how will they stack up to a bunch of no talent "Dannies" if Dabash loses?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 04:40:43 PM
Mock the top 10 list if you will, but there's some solid to-the-point content that actually pertains to next Saturday as opposed to reciting SAT numbers out of a brochure. How far down the list do you have to go before you can plug a DePauw player in? And how much farther down before you find another? How many of the top 20 players in this game will be wearing white next weekend? 17? 18? That's got to be a harsh reality to try and come to grips with.
Poo-poo the list all you want, but that list and the general idea behind it is probably the most game-relevant post we've seen in this forum all season.
seriously?!?!?!?? get a life. i mean, the time it takes to come up with the top 20 recruits from each side??? really?? pretty sure this is not what the rivalry is about. and, if YOU'RE doing the list, it's going to be weighted regardless if debash has the top 20 overall recruits or not....
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 04:40:43 PM
How many of the top 20 players in this game will be wearing white next weekend? 17? 18? That's got to be a harsh reality to try and come to grips with.
far from a harsh reality...very easy to "come to grips" with whatever list you want to produce.
We need to take it easy on Depauw "We're Awesome at Beer Pong" University. We still want them to show up (at least for the first and 2nd quarters.)
Seriously, we need to get some Vegas action going for how long it will take the home stands to empty - 50% by half? 60% by end of 3rd?
2005 http://youtu.be/oMG-7Q3-Mi0 (http://youtu.be/oMG-7Q3-Mi0)
One of my favorite Monon Individual Memories, They actually thought that (Russ, #3, Bashdad) was going to keep it on the option.... ;) Classic.... nice scouting.
Thanks, everyone. Appreciate your comments. The better team on that day will win. All the rest is, as they say, window dressing.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 03, 2011, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 04:40:43 PM
Mock the top 10 list if you will, but there's some solid to-the-point content that actually pertains to next Saturday as opposed to reciting SAT numbers out of a brochure. How far down the list do you have to go before you can plug a DePauw player in? And how much farther down before you find another? How many of the top 20 players in this game will be wearing white next weekend? 17? 18? That's got to be a harsh reality to try and come to grips with.
Poo-poo the list all you want, but that list and the general idea behind it is probably the most game-relevant post we've seen in this forum all season.
seriously?!?!?!?? get a life. i mean, the time it takes to come up with the top 20 recruits from each side??? really?? pretty sure this is not what the rivalry is about. and, if YOU'RE doing the list, it's going to be weighted regardless if debash has the top 20 overall recruits or not....
I'm not talking about recruits. I'm talking about players on the field next Saturday. If you break it down, and are completely honest with yourself about it, there is a nasty truth that starts to emerge...the better players right now are not wearing black and gold. They just aren't. All the name-calling in the world doesn't change that, fellas. You can distract yourself with stories from 2000 and the ol' tired and true "records don't matter in this game!" stuff....but the fact remains that right now Wabash
has better players. And it doesn't stop there. Wabash has a superior coaching staff as well. This is not disputable...it sure as hell wasn't Erik Raeburn standing on the sideline with his jaw on the floor hopelessly looking around for answers.
By all means...do whatever you need to do to distract yourself from the realities that surround the 118th. Whatever is going to allow you to get amped up and get out to Blackstock and have a good time all the way up until 1:07 p.m. next Saturday, do it. Just be prepared to get snapped back into the real world over those next three hours. It might be pretty harsh.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 03, 2011, 01:56:28 PM
Don't act like all Wabash recruits are guys that never consider DePauw.
To the contrary, the
opposite has been the point all along. We're recruiting the same players. The best of those players aren't going to Depauw.
Quote from: sigma one on November 03, 2011, 07:57:55 AM
To be fair, I know of DePauw players that Wabash would love to have; I would not produce a list like the one here.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 03, 2011, 10:16:59 AM
that was a bit much, debashdad....seriously, unless you're the recruiting coordinator, you might want to spend more time in your job or whatever it is you do with your life.
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 03, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
Thanks for explaining and the legitimate reasoning behind your earlier post...and for your common sense regarding "the list."
I find the indignation at the player ranking to be curious. I know none of the players personally, unlike Sigma, and can see nothing offensive about singling out the best of our players and contributing
actual content to the board. If you think I'm ashamed to have spent 20 minutes on a post or it's somehow indicative of a life more lamentable than yours: Guess what, dude. You don't know me very well.
That would have been a fun back-and-forth, but if y'all don't want to play along... fine. I'm not sure what the eye-roll is all about.
Quote from: BashDad on November 03, 2011, 06:15:30 PM
That would have been a fun back-and-forth, but if y'all don't want to play along... fine. I'm not sure what the eye-roll is all about.
I wonder if a lot of these guys can even name 10 current DPU players. Lot of turnover from last year.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 03, 2011, 06:15:30 PM
That would have been a fun back-and-forth, but if y'all don't want to play along... fine. I'm not sure what the eye-roll is all about.
I wonder if a lot of these guys can even name 10 current DPU players. Lot of turnover from last year.
in fairness, i'd love to run down the roster to you in person - however, it's impossible for you to believe me now with the ability to have the roster accessible with the click of a mouse. the moment i spew a list of names here, you'll refute it, and that's fine.
no need to get the panties in a bunch here.....the pure core of the argument right here is that debash has better players right now, than depauw does. 8-0 caveboyzz, 3-4 tigers - and sure bring up 47-0 again....not hard to dispute that right now things lean in your favor. again - debash is having a run right now...just as depauw has done and debash has done and depauw has done again. probably why 55-53-9 means something here.
and this b.s. about leaving early - spare me. i've been to Bell games where DePauw has blown you out and it's much of the same.....'08....and several references after that too.
I won't refute anything. In 315 posts to this forum since it was started, not one single word of any post has been dedicated to any of you actually providing a real take on what DePauw has that can beat Wabash. Not one single word. If you're done name calling and recycling the same old stupid b.s. and want to talk about the game, now's probably a good time to start. Whenever you guys are ready.
Quote from: BashDad on November 03, 2011, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 03, 2011, 10:16:59 AM
that was a bit much, debashdad....seriously, unless you're the recruiting coordinator, you might want to spend more time in your job or whatever it is you do with your life.
If you think I'm ashamed to have spent 20 minutes on a post or it's somehow indicative of a life more lamentable than yours: Guess what, dude. You don't know me very well.
That would have been a fun back-and-forth, but if y'all don't want to play along... fine. I'm not sure what the eye-roll is all about.
listen, what i'm learning is that some take things a little more personal than others, and that's okay. We've never met. We don't know each other. I know of you and know you have successful documentaries, etc. I get it. I've done stuff too.....I'm not comparing careers, lives, or anything of that nature
This is a frickin' rivalry. One of the best, in my mind, THE very best. That, in my opinion, is one thing WE CAN ALL AGREE on. If someone wants to argue that, I believe we'll on turn on him. It's DePauw VS DeBash. We don't like you. You don't like us. Things are said. Insults are made - some stupid, childish, crass, some relevant and right.....and this comes from both sides. It's part of the fun, the laughs and the love/hate relationship that we have. It would appear most of us have played in this game in some capacity. If we want to keep this a pure football thing - it'll eventually get stale, too - just as the 'stupid' arguments that fill up the pages of this board.
I've learned that DeBash is trending up and DePauw is trending down. Problem is I knew that prior to ever logging on to this site. These things - this rivalry, has always balanced out - dating back to 1890.
We're not friends....you don't know me either....I love this game, I love what it represents. It's the greatest rivalry in 'Merica....if you don't agree with me - i don't care.
QuoteI find the indignation at the player ranking to be curious.
Curious? How about clueless. That's weird. What, do you have a separate "list" with the guys "favorite colors" and "person they most admire", too? Come on man...wow..
I agree we are not friends but have no opinion as to list-making.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 03, 2011, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 03, 2011, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 03, 2011, 10:16:59 AM
that was a bit much, debashdad....seriously, unless you're the recruiting coordinator, you might want to spend more time in your job or whatever it is you do with your life.
If you think I'm ashamed to have spent 20 minutes on a post or it's somehow indicative of a life more lamentable than yours: Guess what, dude. You don't know me very well.
That would have been a fun back-and-forth, but if y'all don't want to play along... fine. I'm not sure what the eye-roll is all about.
listen, what i'm learning is that some take things a little more personal than others, and that's okay. We've never met. We don't know each other. I know of you and know you have successful documentaries, etc. I get it. I've done stuff too.....I'm not comparing careers, lives, or anything of that nature
This is a frickin' rivalry. One of the best, in my mind, THE very best. That, in my opinion, is one thing WE CAN ALL AGREE on. If someone wants to argue that, I believe we'll on turn on him. It's DePauw VS DeBash. We don't like you. You don't like us. Things are said. Insults are made - some stupid, childish, crass, some relevant and right.....and this comes from both sides. It's part of the fun, the laughs and the love/hate relationship that we have. It would appear most of us have played in this game in some capacity. If we want to keep this a pure football thing - it'll eventually get stale, too - just as the 'stupid' arguments that fill up the pages of this board.
I've learned that DeBash is trending up and DePauw is trending down. Problem is I knew that prior to ever logging on to this site. These things - this rivalry, has always balanced out - dating back to 1890.
We're not friends....you don't know me either....I love this game, I love what it represents. It's the greatest rivalry in 'Merica....if you don't agree with me - i don't care.
I too, also, do not like Debash.
I also agree that just talking football would make this rivalry just like every other so called "biggest game of the year" that takes place across the country almost every weekend. Depauw/Dabash have something that goes beyond the game and makes up the fundamental fabric of both Depauw and The Debash School of Knitting and Weaving. To not have the the sometimes "stupid, childish, crass" and sometimes relevant comments, jokes, and arguments would make this just another game for some bronzed something or rather. We hate each other. Always have, and always will.
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 03, 2011, 07:13:47 PM
I agree we are not friends but have no opinion as to list-making.
This made me laugh out loud Danny Boy. Saying we are not friends might be the understatement of the year.
So...what I'm getting from this is that you guys have absolutely no evidence that there is something football-related that we should watch out for that DePauw can do that Wabash won't be able to stop or do better. Not one thing? Come on...surely there is one positive thing about your sorry football team that you can talk about here. Anything at all. I'm waiting.
I, too, appreciate the banter for the most part. But I cannot resist going back to an earlier post. Every national study of which I am aware, and they are multiple, records a diffeence in men's and women's SAT/ACT scores, with women having higher scores than men. This applies to DePauw as well as nationally. So the differences in the scores between Wabash and DePauw is accounted for by the differences in the schools enrollments. (Again, insert a snarky comment, if you will.) A few men admitted to Wabash were not admitted to DePauw, and vice versa. This does not apply to athletes only, and certainly the ethics of both schools does not allow for admissions concessions for football players, or other athletes, any more that those ethics allow for musicians or prospective thespians. And admission is not based on scores alone because the two schools employ several criteria for admission, with test scores not being #1 at either institution. It's not simple, and the lesson is not to get to caught up on the test scores alone, or to use them as evidence that one school is supeiior to another. To do so, and then to hang your hat on the shallow argument of scores is naive.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 08:03:39 PM
So...what I'm getting from this is that you guys have absolutely no evidence that there is something football-related that we should watch out for that DePauw can do that Wabash won't be able to stop or do better. Not one thing? Come on...surely there is one positive thing about your sorry football team that you can talk about here. Anything at all. I'm waiting.
We are beating Dabash in PAT Attempt percentage. BOOM DaWally!!!
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 08:03:39 PM
So...what I'm getting from this is that you guys have absolutely no evidence that there is something football-related that we should watch out for that DePauw can do that Wabash won't be able to stop or do better. Not one thing? Come on...surely there is one positive thing about your sorry football team that you can talk about here. Anything at all. I'm waiting.
wally -
if it's football talk you want - then, here you go. While we've had our issues on the offensive side of the football all season, our strong point is defense....we're allowing about 25 yards more per game than you are, but we're good against the pass and run. I know your numbers, too, so if you want to bring them up - fine. In a year where we've struggled to find an offensive identity, the one constant has been defense. Hopefully that translate next Saturday.
I know Chamblee is a stud on special teams, but that's another place where DePauw has been dangerous. Taylor Wagner has punt and kick returns for touchdowns, and is always a threat when the ball is in his hands. I've seen him play...he's tough and gritty and is talented. I like our defense. I like our special teams.....i'm not sure if you just break down raw numbers, you see anything that will make you feel DePauw will do something better than debash, but you asked for a breakdown, and i'm telling you that we're not a pushover in every phase - like many of you imply. Throw in the fact that we're playing just our 2nd home game of the year on Saturday. I do think the travel has played a role - but no excuse.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 03, 2011, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 08:03:39 PM
So...what I'm getting from this is that you guys have absolutely no evidence that there is something football-related that we should watch out for that DePauw can do that Wabash won't be able to stop or do better. Not one thing? Come on...surely there is one positive thing about your sorry football team that you can talk about here. Anything at all. I'm waiting.
wally -
if it's football talk you want - then, here you go. While we've had our issues on the offensive side of the football all season, our strong point is defense....we're allowing about 25 yards more per game than you are, but we're good against the pass and run. I know your numbers, too, so if you want to bring them up - fine. In a year where we've struggled to find an offensive identity, the one constant has been defense. Hopefully that translate next Saturday.
I know Chamblee is a stud on special teams, but that's another place where DePauw has been dangerous. Taylor Wagner has punt and kick returns for touchdowns, and is always a threat when the ball is in his hands. I've seen him play...he's tough and gritty and is talented. I like our defense. I like our special teams.....i'm not sure if you just break down raw numbers, you see anything that will make you feel DePauw will do something better than debash, but you asked for a breakdown, and i'm telling you that we're not a pushover in every phase - like many of you imply. Throw in the fact that we're playing just our 2nd home game of the year on Saturday. I do think the travel has played a role - but no excuse.
How hard was that? Thanks for the insight. FWIW, I don't think DePauw is as bad as many will let on. You're bad, just not THAT bad. You did manage to beat OWU after all. I do think Wabash has superior players at most positions which should win the day, but the biggest advantage Wabash has are the guys wearing the headsets. ER and his crew absolutely undressed Coach Long (who is also the DC if I'm not mistaken) and his crew last year. The one guy that you all universally loved, the OC what's-his-name, is gone and the new guy hasn't exactly instilled confidence. That's where I think there is a gap that DePauw can't make up, especially with younger, less experienced players.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 03, 2011, 08:53:41 PM
the biggest advantage Wabash has are the guys wearing the headsets. ER and his crew absolutely undressed Coach Long (who is also the DC if I'm not mistaken) and his crew last year. The one guy that you all universally loved, the OC what's-his-name, is gone and the new guy hasn't exactly instilled confidence. That's where I think there is a gap that DePauw can't make up, especially with younger, less experienced players.
there's a reason i didn't include our coaching in my synopsis.
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nice!! though, at the end the voiceover guy butchers Monon with "the 118th battle for the Monin Bell" - c'mon man
Here's the game plan for me, and it's fairly straightforward. DePauw has to play it just about perfect, I think. Much easier to say you're going to do this than actually do it, though.
1. Don't kick it Chamblee. Don't think you can tackle him. Don't act like you're good enough. Just don't do it. Do NOT give a special teams score on a return or a block.
2. Don't turn it over.
3. Make Wabash one-dimensional. Take your pick here, I guess. I'd much rather try to contain Chamblee & Horn and then try to make Vann Hunt and Belton's feet beat me. Could just as easily go the other way and try to make Belton throw for 350 and 3 TDs to win. DePauw's defense is good. The numbers would be even better if the offense A) wouldn't turn it over in their own end and B) could get it out of the shadow of its own goalpost.
This thing has to be 2004 for DePauw to win. Wabash gets to 17 and DePauw's probably in trouble. They've got to get a big turnover somewhere along the line and maybe get a little help from some Monon magic, too. It's happened before. No reason it can't happen again.
The issue with #1 is that you are ceding the field position battle to Wabash. And if it's crappy weather, that's going to be a huge give to Wabash. Either take a chance Chamblee is going to break a return, or spend your day inside your own 20.
#2 is a given.
#3 is a problem. Wabash has other receivers that are emerging. And Belton can beat you either way as he has shown. Of course, doing that against Kenyon or Denison isn't the same as DPU, but he stepped up when he needed to.
I agree with that about Chamblee. If DePauw can't get it past their own 20, they won't win anyway. There's going to be some punting. I can assure you of that. Can't let the Wabash special teams be what beats you, though. Chamblee is too good.
As far as Belton goes, you've got to pick your poison. That Wabash O has spent a little time stuck in the mud this year. Not much, but we've seen them have to grind occasionally. Either make Hunt beat you running it or Belton beats you throwing it. Can't give them 200 yards each. That's how you beat this system. Take something away. Personally, I want to take Chamblee and Horn away. No giving up big pass plays. Let Belton and Hunt run it just well enough that they keep going to the well, if it's my call. Maybe they run for 230 yards, but if you can shorten the game, you're even better off. DePauw cannot get in a shootout. They can't keep up. We all realize that.
If you really believe in your secondary, which would take some fortitude after last year, load that box and make Belton throw 40 times and hope you get a pick or two.
I agree DPU can't get in a shootout but the ground game probably won't have the luxury of burning the clock. Coburn and Steward will need to continue to make the most of their opportunities. Coburn especially. Defensively, Wes is right. Better to contain the the deeper threats and have the wallies chew time on the ground.
Seaman should be fine for Albion so he'll have another chance to sync with his receivers. Say what you want about momentum, but DPU needs to stop Albion and carry the win streak over to Nov 12 (I am worried about this game). I have no idea whether Wagner's playing this weekend but he should be good to go by Bell time.
DPU needs to play 'keep away', but will their offense against the Wabash D allow for that?
As for the punting game - Wabash also has a knack for blocking kicks, so showing a 9 or 10 man rush won't be unusual either.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 04, 2011, 04:40:08 AM
This thing has to be 2004 for DePauw to win.
This is probably about right. It's got to be uh-gly for DPU to win next weekend. The problem I see is that this Wabash team is juuust a skosh better than the 2004 team and isn't likely to go along with that plan.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 04, 2011, 01:50:45 PM
This is probably about right. It's got to be uh-gly for DPU to win next weekend. The problem I see is that this Wabash team is juuust a skosh better than the 2004 team and isn't likely to go along with that plan.
Yeah, but.
I think DePauw's defense is better than that game, too. Possibly to a similar degree as Wabash's offense. I'll agree that good Trinity & good WI-Stout aren't on the schedule, though.
Honestly, we can argue and analyze that particular matchup all we want, but we all know that it won't matter if DePauw can't score it. I do believe if they can find a way to get the offense moving, the defense can keep them in it. DePauw was in it near half last year - 12-0 with the football & a couple minutes to go in the first half. They just can't fall apart again.
Using a 4th string QB, though, that's a pretty tough road to victory. Think of all of the snaps he hasn't had in practice with the regular offense. How did he look in the JV games? Mind you, that's a pretty stiff leap from JV to Varsity.
I would not want to see what the money line odds are on a DPU outright win. Not that I'm a betting man, and I'd never encourage anyone to bet on DPU in any circumstances.
I did say they may need some Monon magic to win. I'm on the record with that. It does exist and we've all seen it in person.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 04, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
I did say they may need some Monon magic to win. I'm on the record with that. It does exist and we've all seen it in person.
There is no question that we are going to need some Monon magic this year, but isn't the possibility of that Magic happening the reason this game is what it is?
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 04, 2011, 11:09:28 AM
Seaman should be fine for Albion so he'll have another chance to sync with his receivers. Say what you want about momentum, but DPU needs to stop Albion and carry the win streak over to Nov 12 (I am worried about this game).
Yes, it will be interesting to see if DPU can build on the OWU game against Albion. If DPU can get a win tomorrow and avoid further injuries, they potentially set themselves up for a chance at Monon magic. I do think they need to beat Albion first though. I'll certainly be paying attention.
Quote from: Schwami on November 04, 2011, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 04, 2011, 11:09:28 AM
Seaman should be fine for Albion so he'll have another chance to sync with his receivers. Say what you want about momentum, but DPU needs to stop Albion and carry the win streak over to Nov 12 (I am worried about this game).
Yes, it will be interesting to see if DPU can build on the OWU game against Albion. If DPU can get a win tomorrow and avoid further injuries, they potentially set themselves up for a chance at Monon magic. I do think they need to beat Albion first though. I'll certainly be paying attention.
always worry about the game in front you. I know debash isn't looking past wittenberg. we need to beat albion. we'll focus on all that is next week, beginning sunday.
in the meantime, leave next week to those of us that have been discussing it since last year's game ended.
Quote from: Schwami on November 04, 2011, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 04, 2011, 11:09:28 AM
Seaman should be fine for Albion so he'll have another chance to sync with his receivers. Say what you want about momentum, but DPU needs to stop Albion and carry the win streak over to Nov 12 (I am worried about this game).
Yes, it will be interesting to see if DPU can build on the OWU game against Albion. If DPU can get a win tomorrow and avoid further injuries, they potentially set themselves up for a chance at Monon magic. I do think they need to beat Albion first though. I'll certainly be paying attention.
Unfortunately that game is bigger than I expected. Albion is on a roll and a loss takes away any chance DPU finishes above .500. A win tomorrow makes next week slighty more interesting.
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 04, 2011, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: Schwami on November 04, 2011, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 04, 2011, 11:09:28 AM
Seaman should be fine for Albion so he'll have another chance to sync with his receivers. Say what you want about momentum, but DPU needs to stop Albion and carry the win streak over to Nov 12 (I am worried about this game).
Yes, it will be interesting to see if DPU can build on the OWU game against Albion. If DPU can get a win tomorrow and avoid further injuries, they potentially set themselves up for a chance at Monon magic. I do think they need to beat Albion first though. I'll certainly be paying attention.
Unfortunately that game is bigger than I expected. Albion is on a roll and a loss takes away any chance DPU finishes above .500. A win tomorrow makes next week slighty more interesting.
i'm not saying anything about the quality of opponent, but this isn't the Albion squad of the mid-90's by any means
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Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 05, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Happy Monon Bell week, gentlemen!
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Likewise Wes, game on!
How many snaps over our punter's head would you like us to spot you? :-\
You too, Wes. That's a pretty good win for you guys.
I'll take beating a playoff team by gaining 126 yards every day of the week.
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It's on fellas. So where are DePauw's points coming from next week? It's hard to figure out, I know.
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Quote from: BashDad on November 05, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
You too, Wes. That's a pretty good win for you guys.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 05, 2011, 05:20:45 PM
It is officially on now......
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NO BETTER WEEK IN SPORTS!!!
to say DePauw has issues on offense is an understatement after starting our 4th different quarterback today....but hey, they've fought adverse situations and injuries all year to find a way to win 3 straight to get to .500 and bring us back to respectability.....
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 05, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
to say DePauw has issues on offense is an understatement after starting our 4th different quarterback today....but hey, they've fought adverse situations and injuries all year to find a way to win 3 straight to get to .500 and bring us back to respectability.....
Lowering your standards down there in Greencastle?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2011, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 05, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
to say DePauw has issues on offense is an understatement after starting our 4th different quarterback today....but hey, they've fought adverse situations and injuries all year to find a way to win 3 straight to get to .500 and bring us back to respectability.....
Lowering your standards down there in Greencastle?
are you kidding?? never. but i've never seen a team, debash included, start 4 quarterbacks in one season all due to injury.....if you have - more power to you
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 05, 2011, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2011, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 05, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
to say DePauw has issues on offense is an understatement after starting our 4th different quarterback today....but hey, they've fought adverse situations and injuries all year to find a way to win 3 straight to get to .500 and bring us back to respectability.....
Lowering your standards down there in Greencastle?
are you kidding?? never. but i've never seen a team, debash included, start 4 quarterbacks in one season all due to injury.....if you have - more power to you
Started three QBs in 2007 and went to a regional final. Started three in 2009 and went to the playoffs. Three isn't four, but that's still reaching deep for QBs. There's not a good excuse to be 4-4 after a 9-2 playoff season.
The way the Wabash D played against Witt, you'd better get QB 5 ready...
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2011, 06:20:32 PM
Started three QBs in 2007 and went to a regional final. Started three in 2009 and went to the playoffs. Three isn't four, but that's still reaching deep for QBs. There's not a good excuse to be 4-4 after a 9-2 playoff season.
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2011, 06:21:59 PM
The way the Wabash D played against Witt, you'd better get QB 5 ready...
our defense played pretty damn well today, too....as they have all year. I do agree that there's no excuses to be 4-4 after a 9-2 playoff season...we graduated 33 seniors....what's that tell you about what we had and what's come in??
either way - we're not the 1-8 team you all thought you were going to get next week
You're always the 1-8 team we think you are. :)
I seriously question whether or not DePauw's offense can manufacture a scoring drive. It's going to a be real challenge. DePauw's defense is good enough to make this thing a ballgame. If Wabash gets to 14 and doesn't turn it over, DePauw probably won't win. But, I do think if DePauw can turn Belton over a time or two, particularly with a short field, this thing can be a ballgame in the fourth.
DePauw's defense did a number on a good football team today. Today's game was the kind the defense should have played all year. The offense just kept putting them in bad situations in recent weeks. I'm at least optimistic about the defense's chance of keeping DePauw around with a chance to win.
How motivated was Albion?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2011, 06:39:10 PM
You're always the 1-8 team we think you are. :)
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 05, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
I seriously question whether or not DePauw's offense can manufacture a scoring drive. It's going to a be real challenge. DePauw's defense is good enough to make this thing a ballgame. If Wabash gets to 14 and doesn't turn it over, DePauw probably won't win. But, I do think if DePauw can turn Belton over a time or two, particularly with a short field, this thing can be a ballgame in the fourth.
DePauw's defense did a number on a good football team today. Today's game was the kind the defense should have played all year. The offense just kept putting them in bad situations in recent weeks. I'm at least optimistic about the defense's chance of keeping DePauw around with a chance to win.
man, Wes - giving us a real shot, huh? we've mentioned it thousands of times here....it's a game of unpredictabililty.
as for wally - you're
always the overrated team we think you are :)
How good is a 5-4 team really? It's obviously the best win DPU has had this year, but winning 7-3 in a throwaway game isn't exactly a statement.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 05, 2011, 07:19:05 PM
How good is a 5-4 team really? It's obviously the best win DPU has had this year, but winning 7-3 in a throwaway game isn't exactly a statement.
i don't believe a statement was made today. we won. it wasn't pretty. we move on to Monon Week
The Dannies were in trouble yesterday, but after seeing the Little Giants play their most complete game of the year with key portions returning from Injury, they are in a bunch of trouble next weekend.
I had thought that 47-0 may not be attainable two years in a row, but now, we may be heading for another M-Stomp in the Bell.... I hope HDNet continues to cover the game after this weekend. Blowouts, typically do not bring desirable ratings.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 05, 2011, 07:17:21 PM
man, Wes - giving us a real shot, huh? we've mentioned it thousands of times here....it's a game of unpredictabililty.
Oh, I think we can win, because statisically our defense is better than any defense on their schedule to this point. We're just not going to move the football in large chunks and score points. I'm calling a spade a spade here. I've laid out a plan to win. There's not really another way to do it, I don't think. You stop them a bunch. You turn them over. You find a way to scrape some points together and make it hold. It has to be a grind. Wabash's offense has had to do that at times. They have went through spurts where they look really out of sync. Witt did a really bad job of making them do that today. But Oberlin's second half defensively was great against the LGs. That's what has to happen. DePauw did a really bad job of making them do that in the last 6 quarters they've played against Wabash. Robby had these guys pegged in 2007, 2008, and in the first half in 2009. It's not like he's never seen them before.
We have a similar defense to Wooster, which gave them 19. Our defense gave similar efforts to theirs against our two common opponents. Yeah, the numbers were ugly against some bad teams, but that's the offense's fault to a degree. It's certainly possible. But if we think DePauw's offense is going to come out, punch them in the mouth, and win this game 31-28, I think we're all kidding ourselves to a degree. That's just honesty from me. Been around this team and this game since I was knee high to a grasshopper. I won't keep my criticism of this football team off the table if they deserve it.
EDIT: On that note, I'm going to grab a Zima. I'll be back in a bit.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 05, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
But, I do think if DePauw can turn Belton over a time or two...
That's a big ask. He isn't turning the ball over these days.
It's fortunate that Wabash has burned the tape from the first half of Wash U and Denison...
The issue though is where the DPU field position will be. Wabash's defense can absolutely crush a team that's always buried deep in their territory.
DPU has made a nice comeback from what was going to be a laughingstock of a season. But still, this isn't anything like the halcyon teams of the past. And Wabash won't be Albion (or Thomas More). They'll be motivated to keep the Bell and get homefield for the playoffs. You know, what you had last year. But I can guarantee after the first quarter of their playoff game Wabash wouldn't have been outscored 74-7 in the previous five quarters of play.
Welcome to Monon Week! Ding Mother Fing Dong!
I wish HDNet would have bought an ad or two on the "Game of The Century (FG Kicking Edition)" tonight regarding the Bell Game.
Both Sides: It's BELL WEEK, baby! We all know this year's records. For the first time in several years, the Little Giants and Tigers will come into the game separated by more than a win or two on their records. To help gear up, let's recognize, as I am sure that most of this Board do, that in the past the undefeated team coming in, is not always the undefeated team going out: 2010 (DPU), 2008 (WC), 2007 (WC)--though in those years the records were not this far apart. And we can go further back in time to find major upsets, including my favorite, 7-0 in the rain in poor conditins, at Blackstock in 1967. (Hardly relevant to this year, but fond in my memory since my roomie was the Wabash QB) And among many Wabash mens' least favorite, 1981. Even during this past decade about half the games have been decided by a TD or less. There's been lots of discussion about DePauw's offensive challenges (about 16 ppg), but the Tiger defense has not been much discussed, giving up only 17 a game, a TD more that the Wabash D. I know, I know, apples and oranges, stats for losers, etc. Without know much about Albion (they seem to be an average team in a below average league this year), the DPU win yesterday has to give them hope. While I love rubbing it in, and 47-0 is special--the first shut out in the series since that 7-0 game so long ago--that's all past. Do I think Wabash is the better team? Certainly. But in recent weeks, they have shown a bit of offensive inconsistency. Can DPU, find a way to score enough on the Wabash D while holding the offense in check? Seems unlikely. Let the mockery and analysis begin.
Quote from: sigma one on November 06, 2011, 11:00:12 AM
Both Sides: It's BELL WEEK, baby! .... Let the mockery and analysis begin.
Begin?!?! Where have you been?
Your post shows up on page 25 of a thread that was only started two months ago, with a good bit of analysis and even more mockery already in evidence.
HSCTIGER74, You are correct. And BEll WEEK always attracts more than the usual suspects, myself included.
If I was a DPU scout observing the first half of Wabash's game vs. Witt, I would have trembled yesterday seeing Wabash's first half performance. If they had stayed to scout the 2nd half, then they would have hope for next week. IF Wabash's head is in the game, then they will win big. If not, then they will lose or either win a very tight, low scoring game. In years past, so many guys on here have pooh poohed the chances of the underdog winning and yet in the last 4 years, the favorite has NOT won the game. The beating DPU put on us at Wabash in 2008 and the thrashing we gave them last year (47-0 for those who might have forgotten...hehe) will hopefully encourage the Wabash coaches to impress on those young minds the gravity of what could happen if they are not ready for war. DPU just beat the MIAA conference champion and their SOS is twice as good as Wabash's through week 8. DPU has NOTHING to lose and everything to gain. War it is and war it will be. DePauw to hell, we'll keep the bell. Wabash ALWAYS Fights.
Quote from: OldCaveman on November 06, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
IF Wabash's head is in the game, then they will win big. If not, then they will lose or either win a very tight, low scoring game. In years past, so many guys on here have pooh poohed the chances of the underdog winning and yet in the last 4 years, the favorite has NOT won the game. The beating DPU put on us at Wabash in 2008 and the thrashing we gave them last year (47-0 for those who might have forgotten...hehe) will hopefully encourage the Wabash coaches to impress on those young minds the gravity of what could happen if they are not ready for war.
Do you think that a coach needs to tell anybody playing in this game that it's important? I don't. These players, all of them on both sides, know what time it is.
Quote from: OldCaveman on November 06, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
...their SOS is twice as good as Wabash's through week 8.
The NCAA SOS metric isn't always what it seems. For instance...WashU is currently ranked 202 in SOS which is pretty awful. Their games against Wabash (9-0) and Wittenberg (7-2) don't get factored in to the calculation, so the SOS isn't all inclusive. How much can one game against a team with a gaudy record matter? Last week Wittenberg was ranked down around 200 in SOS. Today they are 117. That's about 80 spots from just one game. What's not being counted on DePauw's SOS is their game against soon-to-be 0-10 Austin, so that schedule isn't as good as the list would lead you to believe.
http://youtu.be/RuQtwGkHR9w
http://youtu.be/dzXWiJ_DQno
http://youtu.be/dcUVLTmkRhw
http://youtu.be/UlxLMJLTPIM
http://youtu.be/v1knNDye3I0
http://youtu.be/x_7rvpUJKkY
http://youtu.be/F-fQhMTv4Lg
From Part 2 of your video BRB...
"In this ancient battle between the Cavemen and the Tigers, it is survival of the fittest and a man can redeem his whole career, indeed, his whole life by slaying the dragon in a Monon game."
So I took a few minutes to take a look at Depauw's defensive numbers from last season vs. this year and do see some improvement. Although, didn't care to take the time to take the reduction in games played and playing a different schedule of opponents in to account.
So let's just say it is a better Depauw defense. Your offense has been, putting it nicely, not nearly good. Thus, the concern is a Dannie defense that is on the field ALL DAY...... against the best offense you will see this year.
Most years, one can hang on to the "Anything can happen" or "Look how close series record is" I just don't see this year being that year....
As has been mentioned on this board, Depauw needs this to be a ugly game for 4 quarters..... hang around and hope to have a shot late. Wabash has been putting teams out of the misery in the 1st half this year...... Scoring 56% of their 295 points this year in the 1st half...... while giving up 38% of their 93 points allowed in the first 30 minutes.
This is going to be a long week.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2011, 10:21:35 PM
From Part 2 of your video BRB...
"In this ancient battle between the Cavemen and the Tigers, it is survival of the fittest and a man can redeem his whole career, indeed, his whole life by slaying the dragon in a Monon game."
These videos get you pumped up. Makes you want to strap it on again. Let us hope the Men of Depauw are watching this stuff all week.
2010 .... 47 to 0 .... Monkey Stomp.
2011 .... 47 to 0 .... Baby Elephant Walk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nh49a8q2E4
Quote from: bashbrother on November 06, 2011, 10:36:07 PM
This is going to be a long week.
a lot of newcomers in the past couple of days. obviously, not referring to you debashbrother. 'throw out the records' 'underdogs can win' 'strength of schedule' 'depauw's defense is good'
blah, blah, blah.....many of the same points we've been arguing for weeks and months......is it saturday yet?
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 06, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2011, 10:21:35 PM
From Part 2 of your video BRB...
"In this ancient battle between the Cavemen and the Tigers, it is survival of the fittest and a man can redeem his whole career, indeed, his whole life by slaying the dragon in a Monon game."
These videos get you pumped up. Makes you want to strap it on again. Let us hope the Men of Depauw are watching this stuff all week.
Bear - well done....let's play....man oh man those are good videos
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 07, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 06, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 06, 2011, 10:21:35 PM
From Part 2 of your video BRB...
"In this ancient battle between the Cavemen and the Tigers, it is survival of the fittest and a man can redeem his whole career, indeed, his whole life by slaying the dragon in a Monon game."
These videos get you pumped up. Makes you want to strap it on again. Let us hope the Men of Depauw are watching this stuff all week.
Bear - well done....let's play....man oh man those are good videos
But nothing gets you as pumped as this video:
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 01, 2011, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 01, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
DPUIrish1 - Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Greencastle? Another reason why I enjoyed the "The Hand Grenade" so much.
is this what you were referring to Bear?? Enjoy.
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Quote from: wabco on November 07, 2011, 08:18:35 AM
2010 .... 47 to 0 .... Monkey Stomp.
2011 .... 47 to 0 .... Baby Elephant Walk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nh49a8q2E4
Heard the phrase "Monkey Stomp" tossed around a few times. Figured it was redneck vernacular for a beatdown. Then I saw "Baby Elephant Walk" and resorted to urban dictionary. Here's what I found:
"Monkey Stomp" -
One of the worst forms of beating another human being. Usually leaves the victim in the ER getting their ear sewn back on. After last year's performance, I have to agree this sounds correct.
"Baby Elephant Walk" -
a dance a male stripper preforms. Not sure what exactly happens during wally pledge activities, but this sounds up their alley.
Here's one nobody has mentioned this season: "Bo Gash" - A wally mascot. You can often hear wallies screaming his name.
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Happy Monon Week.
I know I have posted a similar Monon week speech in the past, and they never get old, so here is version 2011:
Depauw Gentlemen Fans, Alumni, and Friends,
Long before the cannonball travelled through her towns, the state of Indiana owned the jewel of the crown, the train, they called the Monon, the stories they still tell, the Cavemen and the Tigers playing for her bell.
Wow. Although Monon Week did officially started Saturday November 5, 2011, it is time to take note of the importance of this week and the importance of this game.
It rode like a masthead on engine ninety-nine
Crawfordsville to Greencastle, then further down the line
The Cavemen came from Wabash, the Tigers from DePauw
Since eighteen-ninety they have played the last game ev'ry fall
As you know, no matter what the records, only one game counts every year. In preparation for the week, I would like you all to remember a few things. Remember this game is for those great teams who have played on the sacred field at Blackstock and have battled the Boyzz of Dabash at Hollett. Such as that legendary Depauw team, who on November, 22, 1890 started the Monon tradition with an ass-kicking of Wabash, beating the Wally's 34-5 in Crawfordsville; that team in 1892 who slapped Dabash with a 42-4 shellacking; or that 1973 team who rushed against Wabash for 80 plays to win the game 28-21; or, the team who played from 1997-2000, winning 4 Monon Bells, outscoring Dabash 104-38 over the stretch, including a 42-7 stomping in 1998; or, the 1914 team who in the middle of a snowstorm, wins 3-0, with a dropkick by the fullback; or when in 1920 when DePauw quarterback "Galloping" Galloway booted a 52-yard drop kick with three minutes left to give DePauw a 3-0 win at Indianapolis' Washington Park; those teams from 1955 through 1964 who did not lose to the Cavemen; let us never forget that class of 1933 who under legendary Raymond "Gaumey" Neal went on to a 7-0 record having not lost, tied, or been scored upon during the whole season, a feat which can never be replicated; and let us never forget Coach Nick, because without him we would all be Otis Elevators going up and down, because Ugottawanna BABY.
Many years they played for pride, oh the stories they could tell
Then in thirty-two the Monon train gave up her precious bell
They said, "Here take this symbol of smoke and fire and grit
And give it to the winner, a symbol not to quit."
Let us remember this game for its historic players who have had so much success wearing the Black and Gold. Players like Bart Simpson, who from 1971-1974 rushed for 2941 yards; or, Spud Dick, who passed for 9312 yards from 2006 through 2009; or Dan Ryan, who had three receptions for touchdowns in 4 different games between 2001-2002; or what about, Alan Hill with four interceptions for 159 yards against St. Norbert on September 5, 1981; or, when trailing 21-13, the Tigers tied the contest with 3:37 left on a touchdown and two-point conversion before backup kicker Jordan Havercamp won the game with a 47-yard field goal as time expired, the field goal was his first attempt of the season, cementing him a living legend; Jeremiah Marks, who between 2004 and 2007 rushed for 3869 yards, including a 2007 Monon Bell game in which he attempted 45 carries, and a game in which he scored 5 touchdowns against Colorado College; Dustin Hertel, who totaled 37 sacks during his career; Jamie Cunha who in 1996 against Dabash had 3 Touchdown receptions; Ryan McGuffey who after scoring against Dabash in 1999 gave all of Dabash the finger; or who can forget, Tyler Kelley, who only had 71 receptions during his career from 1996-1999, but looked damn sexy while he was doing it. Let us never forget those graduating classes of 1893, 1963, 1964, 1990, 1999, and 2000 which NEVER lost a Bell game to dabash. These men had hatred for those caveboyzz from Crawfordsville. These are the men who the game is played for today.
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Let us remember the shame that has fallen upon those classes who have lost to an all boy technical college, those teams who have not shown their faces since losing to the caveboyzz. Personally, I don't know how I would feel if I ever lost to Dabash.
Suddenly the boys of autumn had fire in their eyes
Blood and spit, but never quit, fighting for the prize
The medal to the victor, the symbol to the school
Wabash and DePauw became a yearly duel
Dabash. A College of only men governed by the "Gentleman's Rule". A Rule scrutinized for it lack of control over the heathens of Dabash. A rule that has caused more problems in our society of rule and law, than it has done in raising boyzzz. An all male (i.e. Boyzz) technical college, where a student's only interaction with a female (during four years of college) is when they hug their mother, see their sister during a break from college, or when they speak to the clerk at the local Kroger or Carl Jr's. Remember these boyzz of Dabash are not men (we all know what it was like to be a man in college, these boyzz never get to experience that in college), they are weak humans scared of the fairer sex. This segregation from women does not make these "boyzzz" better, but puts them at a disadvantage. Not only are they socially awkward, but they grow up wondering why they have problems speaking to women, what a date is and how to go on a date, and how to treat a women with respect that they deserve. You must ask yourself, "What kind of world would we live in if Dabash was the norm?". I will tell you it is not a world I want to live in.
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Not only is DePauw's winning necessary to redeem this season, but a win for Depauw is a win for the way of life for all men at co-ed Universities around the world. A win for Depauw is a win for all men, not boyzz, in the world. A win for Depauw is a win for those who enjoy fraternity parties with women and beer in abundance, not just a Saturday night with the guys playing pick-up-sticks, naked steamrolling, and tummy-sticks. A win for Depauw is a win for all man who has hooked up with two, three, or even more women in one night/weekend. A win for Depauw is a win for every man who has told a woman he loves her just so he could get a little nookie.
Now history has recorded the players and their games
And to this day they still play for the Bell in Monon's name
Those who've gone before return each November day
Swapping stories and the legends for those who did not play
For some of you, I do not need to explain the importance of Monon Week. Since many of us can no longer participate in the sport of football, it is our time to shine off the field. This is that time of year when you are allowed to eat only bloody, red meat for three meals a day and wash it down with ice cold domestic beer. This is the week where you get to fight random strangers for "bad eyeing" you, or merely for the fact that you didn't like the Crimson, Red, or Pink in their tie, or that they drive a red car. This is the week where showering with soap is purely optional. This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern, 1) discussions about football, beer, women, meat, or fighting; 2) a comparison of Michael Engle, Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee; or 3) your hatred for the color red/pink. This is the week where human life becomes cheap, and only those who deserve it are allowed to survive.
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ring the Bell for Wabash, ring for old DePauw
Ring the bell for victory in the last game ev'ry fall
Ding MotherF**king Dong!!
Welcome to Monon week!!!
I will see you this weekend. Come by V.O.L., I will buy you a drink.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 07, 2011, 12:07:43 PM
This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern.... 2) a comparison of Michael Engle, Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee....
You guys really have this conversation?
Quote from: BashDad on November 07, 2011, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 07, 2011, 12:07:43 PM
This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern.... 2) a comparison of Michael Engle, Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee....
You guys really have this conversation?
Yearly.
(//)
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 07, 2011, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 07, 2011, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 07, 2011, 12:07:43 PM
This is the week where any conversations with others must either concern.... 2) a comparison of Michael Engle, Spud Dick, Bernie Haskins, and Jason Lee....
You guys really have this conversation?
Yearly.
Wow.
That's... uh... that's-- what are the arguments
like?
-"Spud Dick went to the playoffs!"
-"Yeah-- so did Engle. They both lost, okay? There's no tie-break there."
-"Tie-break?! Spud started FOUR YEARS, dude. FOUR."
-"Spud looked like an eighth grader. I have trouble with that. He just-- he looked like a fisher-price toy. Big head, small body, you know? Looked like he was always wearing a big-kids jersey. I don't know... Let's move on. Engle threw for 3,000 yards in a season. Spud never did that. Dude, what are you doing?"
-"I'm throwing up. You said Engle again and I started vomiting. I just-- hold on..."
-"Okay, I'm back. 3,000 yards? Jason Lee did that. Remember him?"
-"Jason Lee was a walking interception. I don't see how we can vote for him."
-"BELL GAMES!"
-"What?"
-"That guy won Bell games. Point for me."
-"Point for you? He lost arguably the most important bell game in the series. Look what's happened to us since that loss. Look what's happened to Wabash."
-"He scored with under a minute left to take the lead, I don't see how--"
-"Guys! GUYS! Enough. Okay? You're not considering the whole of legendary QBs at Depauw."
-"Really?"
-"Yes."
-"Who else?"
-"Weitoff."
Everyone laughs, falling over each other.
Wiping away tears:
-"I'm just kidding. What about Andy Yoder?"
-"I think Bernie Haskins deserves serious consideration."
-"Oh, that's a good one! I agree! I don't remember what he was like on the football field, but he was flippin' amazing in HOOK. I say we just give it to him."
-"Smee! Smee! What about Smee?"
-"Smee's me! What about me?"
-"Yes! That's it!"
-"I love that movie."
-"Me too. By far Robin Williams greatest early nineties performance."
-"Uh, hello-- Mrs. Doubtfire? Jumangi? Flubber? Toys?"
-"Well, whatever. Arguing about the greatest contemporary Robin Williams movie is, well--- there just aren't that many GOOD ones, you know? Not too many to choose from."
-"Yeah, the mediocre performances really stand out and you want to call them great even though they're merely passable."
-"Yeah. Like the voice work in Alladin."
-"Or Goodwill Hunting."
-"Good point. That's a good point. I think we really DO overvalue his 'fine' movies because we just CRAVE a break from all the BAD ones."
-"Yeah. It's true."
-"Yeah."
-"So what were we talking about?"
No losing seasons since 1995 is going to be in some serious jeopardy on Saturday. I am concerned that DePauw's wins have some against some mediocre (at best) teams this season. The only game I attended was against a motivated U of the South team that gamed and blitzed a frustrated DPU offense which chould not protect against it nor effectively move the ball because of it. Wabash might be a little bit better than Sewanee :o, but stranger things have happened in this game. I hope Coach Long has the game plan to end all game plans, scouting that would make 'Ace' Rothstein (Casino reference conicidentally released in 1995) look like a slacker, and the Tigers perfectly execute it on Satuday. Make me sick to think that my daughter (born in February and will not attend Wabash) has to live in a world where the Bell is housed in Crawfordsville and the Packers are Super Bowl champs.
Quote from: gil68 on November 07, 2011, 01:14:49 PM
I hope Coach Long has the game plan to end all game plans...
That's kind of like hoping an apple will taste like a hamburger.
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Maybe you can Microsoft Paint up some points for your sorry offense. They won't count, of course, but it might be nice for you guys to pretend a little longer.
Here's one I like. I'm not really good with Paint or Photoshop, so the pictures I post are visual recordings of things that really happened. I'm particularly fond of this one:
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No alterations. No Photoshop. No jokes. That really happened.
You know, Spud Dick ain't walkin' through that door. Ross Weitoff ain't walkin' through that door...
DePauw does have one rather unimpressive streak coming into this year's bell game. The last time the dannies had a successful bell heist was in 1978.
Could somebody who is better at photoshop do some justice to this flag:
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I'm sure most reading this group are familiar with the famous 1965 "Operation Frijoles" heist where a Wabash student, posed as a reporter from Mexico, tricked DePauw's president into revealing the bell's hiding place and offering two full scholarships. While less creative - the 1966 heist deserves some credit for the quickest bell heist
From the Nov. 18, 1966 issue of The Bachelor
Bell Bounds Back to Crawfordsville
The Monon Bell returned to DePauw University Saturday after a year's lapse without it, but it did not remain. Thirty minutes after its arrival in Greencastle the Clapper, base and all, was headed back for C'ville. It is reported that a group of Wabash students followed the DePauw "victory truck" back to Greencastle, cheered like every good Danny should, attended a pep rally of ten students on the DePauw campus, followed the truck to the Bell's hiding place .. . and proceeded to abscond with the prized article. Two and a half hours after the end of the Wabash-DePauw game the Bell was safely back on the Wabash campus. It appeared "mysteriously" at the Kappa Sigma house Saturday night and was later transported to Dean Moore's home upon request. The Indianapolis Star reported the incident by paraphrasing the DePauw dean as saying that the people at DePauw were willing to accept the Bell back when the Wabash men were willing to return it. After several private celebrations the Monon Bell was returned to the DePauw campus Monday. To paraphrase Dean Moore: it really belongs to them this year and we should leave it down there. (Ole!)
Quote from: wabndy on November 07, 2011, 03:17:54 PM
DePauw does have one rather unimpressive streak coming into this year's bell game. The last time the dannies had a successful bell heist was in 1978.
Could somebody who is better at phootshop do some justice to this flag:
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I'm sure most reading this group are familiar with the famous 1965 "Operation Frijoles" heist where a Wabash student, posed as a reporter from Mexico, tricked DePauw's president into revealing the bell's hiding place and offering two full scholarships. While less creative - the 1966 heist deserves some credit for the quickest bell heist
From the Nov. 18, 1966 issue of The Bachelor
Bell Bounds Back to Crawfordsville
The Monon Bell returned to DePauw University Saturday after a year's lapse without it, but it did not remain. Thirty minutes after its arrival in Greencastle the Clapper, base and all, was headed back for C'ville. It is reported that a group of Wabash students followed the DePauw "victory truck" back to Greencastle, cheered like every good Danny should, attended a pep rally of ten students on the DePauw campus, followed the truck to the Bell's hiding place .. . and proceeded to abscond with the prized article. Two and a half hours after the end of the Wabash-DePauw game the Bell was safely back on the Wabash campus. It appeared "mysteriously" at the Kappa Sigma house Saturday night and was later transported to Dean Moore's home upon request. The Indianapolis Star reported the incident by paraphrasing the DePauw dean as saying that the people at DePauw were willing to accept the Bell back when the Wabash men were willing to return it. After several private celebrations the Monon Bell was returned to the DePauw campus Monday. To paraphrase Dean Moore: it really belongs to them this year and we should leave it down there. (Ole!)
Why would any Depauw student want to spend any more time than is necessary on that lame excuse for a college campus? It is bad enough that we are forced to visit every other year.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2011, 02:33:01 PM
Maybe you can Microsoft Paint up some points for your sorry offense. They won't count, of course, but it might be nice for you guys to pretend a little longer.
Here's one I like. I'm not really good with Paint or Photoshop, so the pictures I post are visual recordings of things that really happened. I'm particularly fond of this one:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wabash.edu%2F%2Fimages2%2Fphoto_album%2F2635%2Fmain_43-FlagScoreboard1.jpg&hash=238be70f6b858f2af39061b2e55f9b6df2fa3598)
No alterations. No Photoshop. No jokes. That really happened.
Eh, it's okay. I see the artistic merit of Old Glory contrasting against your pinko scoreboard. Aside from that, I could rip a flag off any hillbilly's pickup and waive it around too. I prefer this one, taken from almost precisely the same spot two years earlier:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi184.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx64%2Ftspruce%2FHollett.jpg&hash=5b8c8fbd81528a68ac8d1cbf6fc2eae9a9c6cced)
Notice the stands? I know wallies love to talk about the stands.
Ken, I know you're trolling around here somewhere. Thanks again for all your work in cataloging the rivalry. The Monon Memories archive is amazing work.
I was there in 2008. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't 47-0 either. I know you guys like to blow that game up like it was the most epic win in the history of the series. It wasn't. Last year though...that's pretty close to the top.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 07, 2011, 04:49:19 PM
I was there in 2008. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't 47-0 either. I know you guys like to blow that game up like it was the most epic win in the history of the series. It wasn't. Last year though...that's pretty close to the top.
Depends on the vantage point, I suppose. And by no means do I think that was the most "epic" game in Bell history, but I do believe 2008 & 2010 are examples of how Monon karma can burn. You guys focus on embroidering "47-0" on your bedside rags and we'll focus on disabling Belton.
So . . . I just got done reading the most recent issue of Dabachelor and was reminded that Debash was going to "white-out" or "occupy" Depauw during Monon. After reading the rag, I was left confused.
My prior belief was that Dabash was a right leaning conservative technical school, that would have more of an inclination to support the tea party than the occupy movement. Apparently I was wrong. The caveboyzzz habit of growing a mustache and cutting a mohawk falls into those actions most associated with a liberal, political independent, anarchist, as well as the socialists, libertarians, and environmentalists that make up most of the occupy movement. Also, the expressed desire to flood Greencastle, set up tents, kitchens, barricades and occupy Depauw, with no stated purpose, has clearly cemented Dabash as a lefty school.
The occupy movement has taken it upon themselves to "occupy" major cities and to stay until their demands are met. Does this mean the heathen caveboyzzzz plan to occupy Depauw until they have their demands met? And what are those demands? The occupy movement has been criticized for its lack of a common voice or demand, but has been associated with the common want of more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics. Besides the obvious reason that Debash student body wants all of these things, and wants to be a member of the Depauw student body so they can have better jobs, higher pay, a better education, and a say in corporations and politics, what is debash's demand? Are you all looking for a handout?
From what it looks like, come Saturday, unless Debash turns things around and reforms its current technical school format, the student body will be living with the 1% in Greencastle.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 07, 2011, 05:27:08 PM
Besides the obvious reason that Debash student body wants all of these things, and wants to be a member of the Depauw student body so they can have better jobs, higher pay, better educations, and a say in corporations and politics, what is debash's demand? Are you all looking for a handout?
The rant of yet another DePauw english major.
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 07, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
Depends on the vantage point, I suppose.
No it doesn't. It's arithmetic. You lost by more.
Nyah Nyah.
Also and furthermore, if you think the key to this game is stopping Belton, well then I'm calling you names and laughing at you. In a PERFECT game by your defense, Wabash is still walking away with, like, 14 points. That's your best hope on D. The key to this game, for Depauw, is figuring out how to get your anemic, ugly, and inexperienced offense to score 20 against this guy:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wabash.edu%2F%2Fimages2%2Fphoto_album%2F3058%2Fmain_09-CJGum.jpg&hash=215ccbb26f05d7aa46bac6e6f362175b7659f039)
Look at that guy. Look at that dude's family. Upon first learning to speak, the members of the Gum family pledge a blood-oath to be bad-ass. CJ Gum is a bad ass. Your little freshman quarterback ain't seen no bad-ass like the bad-ass of CJ Gum. CJ Gum is coming. You spend the week preparing for Belton and watch what happens. You won't gain 20 yards.
Here's DPU's best chance:
You guys better onside-kick every chance you get and go for every fourth down close to the 50 yard line. You better have several--and I mean SEVERAL--tricky high-school plays in the playbook. If a down-lineman doesn't somehow attempt a flea-flicker hail mary, y'all aren't playing in the kind of game you're going to win. Depauw has zero chance in a line it up and grind it out game. Zero. Time to bust out 9 foot splits and run wild-cat option with your best athlete. Or something--anything--other than the usual, ordinary, mediocre football that you've been playing. You have to do something different. Otherwise, we'll all have to sign on next year and listen to you guys mutter on about how it doesn't matter that it's been three years since a Depauw touchdown and about how in 1957 the series was tied and Depauw won and everything evens out, blah blah bologna.
Quote from: BashDad on November 07, 2011, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 07, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
Depends on the vantage point, I suppose.
No it doesn't. It's arithmetic. You lost by more.
Nyah Nyah.
Also and furthermore, if you think the key to this game is stopping Belton, well then I'm calling you names and laughing at you. In a PERFECT game by your defense, Wabash is still walking away with, like, 14 points. That's your best hope on D. The key to this game, for Depauw, is figuring out how to get your anemic, ugly, and inexperienced offense to score 20 against this guy:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wabash.edu%2F%2Fimages2%2Fphoto_album%2F3058%2Fmain_09-CJGum.jpg&hash=215ccbb26f05d7aa46bac6e6f362175b7659f039)
Look at that guy. Look at that dude's family. Upon first learning to speak, the members of the Gum family pledge a blood-oath to be bad-ass. CJ Gum is a bad ass. Your little freshman quarterback ain't seen no bad-ass like the bad-ass of CJ Gum. CJ Gum is coming. You spend the week preparing for Belton and watch what happens. You won't gain 20 yards.
Here's DPU's best chance:
You guys better onside-kick every chance you get and go for every fourth down close to the 50 yard line. You better have several--and I mean SEVERAL--tricky high-school plays in the playbook. If a down-lineman doesn't somehow attempt a flea-flicker hail mary, y'all aren't playing in the kind of game you're going to win. Depauw has zero chance in a line it up and grind it out game. Zero. Time to bust out 9 foot splits and run wild-cat option with your best athlete. Or something--anything--other than the usual, ordinary, mediocre football that you've been playing. You have to do something different. Otherwise, we'll all have to sign on next year and listen to you guys mutter on about how it doesn't matter that it's been three years since a Depauw touchdown and about how in 1957 the series was tied and Depauw won and everything evens out, blah blah bologna.
Nice eye black!
It's not just the wit of your insults that impress me. It's also the ambition.
I stand in awe, friend. Golf clap.
Will DPU be having tryouts this week for QB #5 / #6 / #7 . . . ? Better hope they don't see that picture of CJ Gum.
Quote from: BashDad on November 07, 2011, 06:11:52 PM
It's not just the wit of your insults that impress me. It's also the ambition.
I stand in awe, friend. Golf clap.
Thanks dabashdad. I do it all for you.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 07, 2011, 06:19:55 PM
Quote from: BashDad on November 07, 2011, 06:11:52 PM
It's not just the wit of your insults that impress me. It's also the ambition.
I stand in awe, friend. Golf clap.
Thanks dabashdad. I do it all for you.
[welling up]
...so proud...
http://youtu.be/jCgUrgXkSRY
Hilarious..... I guess this show got cut..... These are the type of women Depauw is turning out these days....?
Check please.....I'll just head North to Purdue....
I think it's possible Wabash gets held to 14 or less. I think 5 years ago or so I did the math in the last 20 years and DePauw typically held Wabash to like 12.5 points fewer than their season average. I'm on my phone so I can't really do that again. Also, that wouldn't include 47 last year, but it wouldn't include 2008, either. That was also 2 DePauw head coaches ago.
Like I said, I don't think there are trends here. Every year is it's own entity. See 2000 to 2001 and then on to 2002. Or any consecutive games between 2006-2010. They're all different. Wabash by a FG, DePauw on the FG, DePauw blowout, Wabash by 2 scores, then a Wabash blowout. 47-0 doesn't affect 2011. The only thing that affects 2011 is that DePauw is a .500 team on a marginal at best schedule.
Wes -
While I respect your optimism, I think the chances of Wabash being held to 14 points about the same as any Depauw posters, other than you and DPU, showing up on this board next Monday......
Quote from: BashDad on November 07, 2011, 05:46:31 PM
Look at that guy. Look at that dude's family. Upon first learning to speak, the members of the Gum family pledge a blood-oath to be bad-ass. CJ Gum is a bad ass.
And I'm sure you have drawn hearts around his name on your trapper keeper. Don't show me pics of your in-laws, and I won't show you mine.
But I see your point. Held my breath that our offense would start to kick by now but it's still flat. I really expected Seaman to play last weekend in hopes of a final "development" game but it wasn't so. No clue at this point whether Seaman or King will start but either way we'll need the D to hand us a short field. Tho, in King's favor, I don't believe he committed any turnovers on Saturday. Not turning the ball over would be a good place for our offense to start.
Solid D, get some takeaways, pray for a short field, alert Jesus the sinners are in town, and we just might win. Hell, the score could be 15-14 as we cruise to victory with 5 FGs. I'd take that.
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Ken, I know you're trolling around here somewhere. Thanks again for all your work in cataloging the rivalry. The Monon Memories archive is amazing work.
Thanks, Danny -- it means a lot!
Quote from: bashbrother on November 07, 2011, 06:54:14 PM
Wes -
While I respect your optimism, I think the chances of Wabash being held to 14 points about the same as any Depauw posters, other than you and DPU, showing up on this board next Monday......
Conversing with wallies after Monon is considered bad form until the following season. That, and I feel like I'm getting to know some of you, which is gross.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 07, 2011, 06:46:48 PM
http://youtu.be/jCgUrgXkSRY
Hilarious..... I guess this show got cut..... These are the type of women Depauw is turning out these days....?
Check please.....I'll just head North to Purdue....
You want hilarious, check this out . . .
http://youtu.be/jtY3pUk29tw
http://youtu.be/y0MNNa7p4cg
Quote from: 1837Tigers on November 07, 2011, 07:02:30 PM
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Ken, I know you're trolling around here somewhere. Thanks again for all your work in cataloging the rivalry. The Monon Memories archive is amazing work.
Thanks, Danny -- it means a lot!
Ken, your youtube posts are great. Keep up the great work in providing more visual history on this great tradition.
yeah Ken you are swell.
Although, your 2010 Monon Memory was a bit short....
Here is the long version
http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs (http://youtu.be/DBxzfaIRJqs)
Fun with screen-grab!
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Ah, man....
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That's how I like my triflin' served up! Great stuff.
man, debashdad and others......you guys sure do blush when you see a picture of cj gum.....
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 08, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
man, debashdad and others......you guys sure do blush when you see a picture of cj gum.....
What do you expect, he is a 6 foot 230 lbser from North Judson, Indiana.
He is to a Debash caveboy what Miss July is to us.
Why do all the Dannies (coaches, players, students, all 8 fans) call the game "the Monon?" Bugs me. I've always wondered that through the years.
A couple of serious comments... I cannot remember a year where I honestly could not name more than 5 DPU players (and I think at least 2 of them have been hurt - Ellis and Schweir). It's just weird. Can one of the Dannies provide a preview so we know what to watch on Saturday? Do you have any receivers that are any good...you typically have a couple of really good players. Which one of the 18 quarterbacks will we see this Saturday?
The Red Squad won this year's game against DePauw 55-13. I heard that the DPU guys were not even playing hard - what gives? I'm not saying that game has any factor on the big one this Saturday but it has to make you wonder - what gives, seriously 55-13. ??
Will Robby Long be at the Stag this Thursday?
Will Breckinridge be at the Stag this Thursday? I don't get how you can justify so much "garbage" at Wabash when your coming off a 47 zip beat down. What gives?
I, for one, am glad I will be wearing red & white this weekend. WAF
Quote from: bashbrother on November 07, 2011, 06:46:48 PM
http://youtu.be/jCgUrgXkSRY
Hilarious..... I guess this show got cut..... These are the type of women Depauw is turning out these days....?
Check please.....I'll just head North to Purdue....
So this video is the new Dannie O-line? Sad DPU lost the 2007 recruits who'd have been true anchors prior to the DZ debacle. ;D
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 08, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
Why do all the Dannies (coaches, players, students, all 8 fans) call the game "the Monon?" Bugs me. I've always wondered that through the years.
A couple of serious comments... I cannot remember a year where I honestly could not name more than 5 DPU players (and I think at least 2 of them have been hurt - Ellis and Schweir). It's just weird. Can one of the Dannies provide a preview so we know what to watch on Saturday? Do you have any receivers that are any good...you typically have a couple of really good players. Which one of the 18 quarterbacks will we see this Saturday?
The Red Squad won this year's game against DePauw 55-13. I heard that the DPU guys were not even playing hard - what gives? I'm not saying that game has any factor on the big one this Saturday but it has to make you wonder - what gives, seriously 55-13. ??
Will Robby Long be at the Stag this Thursday?
Will Breckinridge be at the Stag this Thursday? I don't get how you can justify so much "garbage" at Wabash when your coming off a 47 zip beat down. What gives?
I, for one, am glad I will be wearing red & white this weekend. WAF
1) Because it is now called The Monon Bell Classic.
2) http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/.
3) You will most likely see either Will King or Drew Seamen.
4) Hearsay.
5) Hearsay.
6) Don't know.
7) No.
8) We hate you.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 08, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
Why do all the Dannies (coaches, players, students, all 8 fans) call the game "the Monon?" Bugs me. I've always wondered that through the years.
A couple of serious comments... I cannot remember a year where I honestly could not name more than 5 DPU players (and I think at least 2 of them have been hurt - Ellis and Schweir). It's just weird. Can one of the Dannies provide a preview so we know what to watch on Saturday? Do you have any receivers that are any good...you typically have a couple of really good players. Which one of the 18 quarterbacks will we see this Saturday?
The Red Squad won this year's game against DePauw 55-13. I heard that the DPU guys were not even playing hard - what gives? I'm not saying that game has any factor on the big one this Saturday but it has to make you wonder - what gives, seriously 55-13. ??
Will Robby Long be at the Stag this Thursday?
Will Breckinridge be at the Stag this Thursday? I don't get how you can justify so much "garbage" at Wabash when your coming off a 47 zip beat down. What gives?
I, for one, am glad I will be wearing red & white this weekend. WAF
welcome to the party - check back a few pages..
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
Quote from: smedindy on November 08, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
wow....that couldn't be farther from the truth. you have nothing i'd want....pretty sure i speak for most of us.
Quote from: smedindy on November 08, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
There is not enough time to list all that I hate about dabash, and I can not think of one little thing I envy about Debash.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 08, 2011, 02:35:05 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 08, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
wow....that couldn't be farther from the truth. you have nothing i'd want....pretty sure i speak for most of us.
False.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wabash.edu%2Fimages2%2Fnews%2FBellBeltonBurke1.jpg&hash=289dc83ae32ba3d6c6d4a62863a54c5ac6e51d48)
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 08, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
Do you have any receivers that are any good...you typically have a couple of really good players.
IMO, Wagner and Coburn are the receiveing weapons to watch, but Wagner is dealing with an ankle injury and Coburn seemed more effective with Seaman at the helm. Freshman WR DJ Steward also showed flashes while Seaman was QB but no idea whether he'll be much of a factor this weekend. The QB carousel is interesting (<-- optimistic word). King strikes me more as of a "game manager" type than Seaman but he's only started one game so who the hell knows? I can see Coach Long starting with King and the putting in Seaman if DPU falls behind by more than 2 TDs (but by then it could be too late). Of course, Seaman took a hard hit against Austin which might be the reason he sat against Albion. Maybe he'll start for Monon.
Quote from: smedindy on November 08, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
Jealousy? If any normal person wanted a male-centric educational experience peppered with communal hazing and group thought, they would join the military and keep their dignity.
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 08, 2011, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 08, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
Do you have any receivers that are any good...you typically have a couple of really good players.
IMO, Wagner and Coburn are the receiveing weapons to watch, but Wagner is dealing with an ankle injury and Coburn seemed more effective with Seaman at the helm. Freshman WR DJ Steward also showed flashes while Seaman was QB but no idea whether he'll be much of a factor this weekend. The QB carousel is interesting (<-- optimistic word). King strikes me more as of a "game manager" type than Seaman but he's only started one game so who the hell knows? I can see Coach Long starting with King and the putting in Seaman if DPU falls behind by more than 2 TDs (but by then it could be too late). Of course, Seaman took a hard hit against Austin which might be the reason he sat against Albion. Maybe he'll start for Monon.
Quote from: smedindy on November 08, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
Jealousy? If any normal person wanted a male-centric educational experience peppered with communal hazing and group thought, they would join the military and keep their dignity.
I wonder if the current military will hurt recruiting.
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 08, 2011, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 08, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
Do you have any receivers that are any good...you typically have a couple of really good players.
IMO, Wagner and Coburn are the receiveing weapons to watch, but Wagner is dealing with an ankle injury and Coburn seemed more effective with Seaman at the helm. Freshman WR DJ Steward also showed flashes while Seaman was QB but no idea whether he'll be much of a factor this weekend. The QB carousel is interesting (<-- optimistic word). King strikes me more as of a "game manager" type than Seaman but he's only started one game so who the hell knows? I can see Coach Long starting with King and the putting in Seaman if DPU falls behind by more than 2 TDs (but by then it could be too late). Of course, Seaman took a hard hit against Austin which might be the reason he sat against Albion. Maybe he'll start for Monon.
Quote from: smedindy on November 08, 2011, 12:51:02 PM
You hate because of envy; we hate on general principle.
Jealousy? If any normal person wanted a male-centric educational experience peppered with communal hazing and group thought, they would join the military and keep their dignity.
We all just air raided in unison to show how incredibly wrong your statement is.
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 08, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
We all just air raided in unison to show how incredibly wrong your statement is.
We hear it's easy for you to act in unison at your C'ville bathhouse.
And how is that statement incorrect? Do you not believe our armed servicmen have dignity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bBp9nKsw9TI#!
Replace "Cleveland Browns" with DPU....
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 08, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 08, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
We all just air raided in unison to show how incredibly wrong your statement is.
We hear it's easy for you to act in unison at your C'ville bathhouse.
And how is that statement incorrect? Do you not believe our armed servicmen have dignity?
I was saying you were wrong in your claim that Wabash is "a male-centric educational experience peppered with communal hazing and group thought". Jocular statement, kiddos.
Regarding the servicemen (and servicewomen), I believe that is a Wally holding an American flag (notably lacking any black and/or gold) in the picture of last year's scoreboard posted above. USA USA USA
i respect our men and women of the military. doesn't mean i have to respect the picture....it's ugly.
in case anyone hasn't checked yet:
weather report for Saturday in Greencastle
57 degrees and partly cloudy
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 08, 2011, 04:52:30 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 08, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 08, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
We all just air raided in unison to show how incredibly wrong your statement is.
We hear it's easy for you to act in unison at your C'ville bathhouse.
And how is that statement incorrect? Do you not believe our armed servicmen have dignity?
I was saying you were wrong in your claim that Wabash is "a male-centric educational experience peppered with communal hazing and group thought". Jocular statement, kiddos.
Regarding the servicemen (and servicewomen), I believe that is a Wally holding an American flag (notably lacking any black and/or gold) in the picture of last year's scoreboard posted above. USA USA USA
I think the majority of America would be disgusted with that picture if they knew anything about Dabash Technical School of Floor Waxing and Polishing.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 08, 2011, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 08, 2011, 04:52:30 PM
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 08, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Lee Wilson on November 08, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
We all just air raided in unison to show how incredibly wrong your statement is.
We hear it's easy for you to act in unison at your C'ville bathhouse.
And how is that statement incorrect? Do you not believe our armed servicmen have dignity?
I was saying you were wrong in your claim that Wabash is "a male-centric educational experience peppered with communal hazing and group thought". Jocular statement, kiddos.
Regarding the servicemen (and servicewomen), I believe that is a Wally holding an American flag (notably lacking any black and/or gold) in the picture of last year's scoreboard posted above. USA USA USA
I think the majority of America would be disgusted with that picture if they knew anything about Dabash Technical School of Floor Waxing and Polishing.
agreed Bear. I like Danny Boy's assessment
Just for a change of pace and to get some other topics going, what type of personal Monon weekend/Game day traditions does everyone have, besides hating Dabash? What do you do year in and year out that makes this weekend special, besides hating Debash?
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 08, 2011, 06:11:48 PM
in case anyone hasn't checked yet:
weather report for Saturday in Greencastle
57 degrees and partly cloudy
That's not too far from perfect.
Here is the pep rally in Dannyville this week.
http://youtu.be/e9mf3Bypyk8 (http://youtu.be/e9mf3Bypyk8)
Quote from: bashbrother on November 08, 2011, 07:49:44 PM
Here is the pep rally in Dannyville this week.
http://youtu.be/e9mf3Bypyk8 (http://youtu.be/e9mf3Bypyk8)
i think you give yourselves too much credit.....debash would NEVER be praised in any motivational speech....under any circumstances
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 08, 2011, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 08, 2011, 06:11:48 PM
in case anyone hasn't checked yet:
weather report for Saturday in Greencastle
57 degrees and partly cloudy
That's not too far from perfect.
Was kind of hoping for a high of 47 with 0 percent chance of rain.
I was hoping for 100% chance of rain.
I've heard some conflicting reports on how the field is. It has been a month or so since I was down there. It wasn't great when I saw it. Can't be that much worse since then. The football team has only played on it once since I saw it.
I guess I don't understand why the field is even a question at all considering how few home games DePauw played.
weather shouldn't be used as an excuse anyway. both teams have to play in it. rain, snow, sleet, hail, sun, whatever it is. it appears weather won't factor at all into this game
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 08, 2011, 08:57:35 PM
weather shouldn't be used as an excuse anyway. both teams have to play in it. rain, snow, sleet, hail, sun, whatever it is. it appears weather won't factor at all into this game
But weather could be a factor, since Debash likes playing on rug.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 08, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 08, 2011, 08:57:35 PM
weather shouldn't be used as an excuse anyway. both teams have to play in it. rain, snow, sleet, hail, sun, whatever it is. it appears weather won't factor at all into this game
But weather could be a factor, since Debash likes playing on rug.
ahh...touche. we have real elements in Greencastle.
And in related news...Debash has implemented a new system to reward players for exceeding on the field - rewarding those selected with 15 minutes of alone time with new hire - Jerry Sandusky...
Quote from: SleepandEat DPU on November 08, 2011, 10:13:20 PM
And in related news...Debash has implemented a new system to reward players for exceeding on the field - rewarding those selected with 15 minutes of alone time with new hire - Jerry Sandusky...
Glad you have joined us Sleap and Eat.
As someone who lives in Pennsylvania, where Sandusky / Paterno is the only subject anyone is talking about, I thought I would cruise on over here to get back to a sane discussion about important matters . . .
So, the Monon stag --- for those of us who cannot readily get to it --- any chance for a videocast --- or would that violate every FCC regulation in the book? Sure would like to see it . . .
One more time:
http://vimeo.com/31460010
BOOM!!!
Alright, here's how it breaks down by the numbers. National ranks are in parentheses.
| Wabash | DePauw |
| Rush O | 170.67 (83) | 108.13 (193) |
| Pass O | 202.00 (101) | 165.25 (163) |
| Total O | 372.67 (89) | 273.38 (206) |
| Scoring O | 32.78 (47) | 15.75 (211) |
| Rush D | 67.00 (3) | 94.75 (24) |
| P.Eff. D | 98.33 (28) | 110.31 (71) |
| Total D | 255.56 (16) | 301.38 (48) |
| Scoring D | 10.33 (5) | 17.25 (42) |
| Net Punt | 32.00 (91) | 33.90 (44) |
| Punt Ret. | 20.70 (4) | 11.72 (41) |
| KO Ret. | 21.00 (46) | 21.39 (39) |
| TO Margin | 0.89 (35) | -0.13 (142) |
| Pass D | 188.56 (110) | 206.63 (160) |
| Pass Eff. | 152.19 (21) | 97.68 (194) |
| Sacks | 2.78 (32) | 1.63 (155) |
| TFL | 6.56 (101) | 5.25 (184) |
| Sacks All. | 2.33 (t-163) | 3.00 (209) |
That is....well, that's a table that tells us that we've got a pretty serious mismatch on our hands. Of these 17 statistical categories kept by the NCAA, Wabash ranks higher than DePauw in FIFTEEN of them. DePauw has a statistical edge in net punting and kickoff returns. Between #84 back deep to recieve punts and Wabash's punt block (got two last week), I'm not buying any punt advantage for DePauw. As for KO return, Wabash's average has been skewed lower since teams stopped kicking it deep. I certainly welcome DePauw to kick deep, probably just the once at whatever half they kick off to start, and see who has a better return game.
Anything can happen and blah blah blah...that table above tells a pretty clear story about where these two teams are at in 2011. They aren't very close.
Thanks BashBro.
Here is the link to the first Sports Illustrated article published in 1973. Wabash's current AD was one of the captains of the team when this was written.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1087757/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1087757/index.htm)
if i'm not mistaken, the last time a heist took place was '98....when debash was 9-0 coming in with a playoff bid on the line.....and i'm sure, if you went back and dug up the statistical analysis of those teams coming in, it'd be awfully one-sided as well. it took what wasn't yours.....i remember that ass-whoopin' well.....
SleepandEatDPU-
Absolutely despicable. How you think that situation is in any way, shape, form, or fashion funny...I don't even have words. Shameful, shameful post.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 12:30:56 AM
SleepandEatDPU-
Absolutely despicable. How you think that situation is in any way, shape, form, or fashion funny...I don't even have words. Shameful, shameful post.
For the Record - SleepandEat's name is: Jake Quags
http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw (http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw)
Links are fine, copying and pasting a whole story is not.
Gotcha.... my bad.
1993 S.I. Article - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138786/1/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1138786/1/index.htm)
These DPU tools continue to amaze me with their swagger and confidence. The all-male stuff is so original and consistently shows they just don't get it. Who cares.
We have talked about a webcast of sorts for the Stag - and you guessed it, there were major concerns about liabilities, ethics, and potentially offensive material. :). It's a great event!!
Wally, I'd like to point out that some of those numbers, particularly how Wabash's offense matches up with DePauw's defense, are very similar to the 2008 numbers. That Wabash team was 4th in the country in scoring. DePauw's D was 161st at 27 ppg, but they gave that Wabash offense 0 at half and 14 total, if I recall. It has happened before and it can happen again. DePauw can stop this team and they can make it a grind for the full 60.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
For the Record - SleepandEat's name is: Jake Quags
For the record - stalking is creepy.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2011, 08:02:44 AM
These DPU tools continue to amaze me with their swagger and confidence. The all-male stuff is so original and consistently shows they just don't get it. Who cares.
Shave all the mohawks you want, wallies neither intimidate nor impress us. As for "the all-male stuff", what did you expect when you enrolled at Crawfordstucky Tech? Being the target of razzing is a wally's destiny. If you can take a Dick, you can take a joke.
As much as I love statistical analysis and loathe tired cliches, for this game I throw out all metrics - basic and advanced.
Loathing on this level overshadows any number crunching.
Still, in my heart, I know Wabash should blast DPU back their dorms rooms, Zima in hand, with great ease.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 12:30:56 AM
SleepandEatDPU-
Absolutely despicable. How you think that situation is in any way, shape, form, or fashion funny...I don't even have words. Shameful, shameful post.
For the Record - SleepandEat's name is: Jake Quags
http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw (http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw)
What are you going to do now Debashbrother? Send a gang of Caveboyzz to get him?
"Wabash lacks the civilizing influence of women." John Garrity, SI
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 12:30:56 AM
SleepandEatDPU-
Absolutely despicable. How you think that situation is in any way, shape, form, or fashion funny...I don't even have words. Shameful, shameful post.
For the Record - SleepandEat's name is: Jake Quags
http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw (http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw)
What are you going to do now Debashbrother? Send a gang of Caveboyzz to get him?
BS Comment.... put your name on it...
The Dannies are vying for the crummiest football field in the NCAC ... it has been downgraded to grass field for girls' field hockey. (Must give you a real confidence in administrative backing when you share your football field with girls field hockey.) Sure hope it does not rain. The dannies will then be the successor to the old Gheny mud bowl.
and by the way ... depauw swallows
Well, Wabco their women's field hockey team is quite successful...
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2011, 08:34:56 AM
Wally, I'd like to point out that some of those numbers, particularly how Wabash's offense matches up with DePauw's defense, are very similar to the 2008 numbers. That Wabash team was 4th in the country in scoring. DePauw's D was 161st at 27 ppg, but they gave that Wabash offense 0 at half and 14 total, if I recall. It has happened before and it can happen again. DePauw can stop this team and they can make it a grind for the full 60.
That may be, but there are some differences between 2008 and 2011. This Wabash offense is a little more diverse than it was with Hudson. I love me some Matt Hudsom and while he did make a few nice runs from the quarterback position in his career (you may recall one from the 2009 game...I sure do), he wasn't quite the dual threat that Belton is. He also didn't have the RBs behind him that this group in 2011 does. Maybe most importantly though is that DePauw does not have the offense they did in 2008. This DePauw offense isn't just below average, it is deficient. The national rankings back that up. You cannot win if you cannot score. DePauw may very well slow down Wabash's offense. Wabash may call a fairly conservative game knowing that they can really only get beat on short fields or defensive scores. I'm not predicting another 40-burger this year. But I'm having a hard, hard time figuring out how DePauw scores points with that offense against this defense. That's the difference between 2008 and 2011.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 12:30:56 AM
SleepandEatDPU-
Absolutely despicable. How you think that situation is in any way, shape, form, or fashion funny...I don't even have words. Shameful, shameful post.
For the Record - SleepandEat's name is: Jake Quags
http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw (http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw)
What are you going to do now Debashbrother? Send a gang of Caveboyzz to get him?
BS Comment.... put your name on it...
And I see you signing a lot of your BS comments dadouchbrother.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 12:30:56 AM
SleepandEatDPU-
Absolutely despicable. How you think that situation is in any way, shape, form, or fashion funny...I don't even have words. Shameful, shameful post.
For the Record - SleepandEat's name is: Jake Quags
http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw (http://youtu.be/vy9NyUKcGQw)
What are you going to do now Debashbrother? Send a gang of Caveboyzz to get him?
BS Comment.... put your name on it...
And I see you signing a lot of your BS comments dadouchbrother.
You also don't see bashbrother making light of children getting abused. The guy that makes that "joke" gets to own it.
Monon Bell Tailgate taking shape... 50+ confirmed, 50+ in Mike Funk Tribute T's, 10 lbs of beef tenderloin, 80 1/2 lb. steak burgers, and 100 all beef hotdogs.
Wally - you making the Stag tomorrow night?
WesAnderson - have you ever attended? D3DPUfan - you're in right?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2011, 08:34:56 AM
Wally, I'd like to point out that some of those numbers, particularly how Wabash's offense matches up with DePauw's defense, are very similar to the 2008 numbers. That Wabash team was 4th in the country in scoring. DePauw's D was 161st at 27 ppg, but they gave that Wabash offense 0 at half and 14 total, if I recall. It has happened before and it can happen again. DePauw can stop this team and they can make it a grind for the full 60.
That may be, but there are some differences between 2008 and 2011. This Wabash offense is a little more diverse than it was with Hudson. I love me some Matt Hudsom and while he did make a few nice runs from the quarterback position in his career (you may recall one from the 2009 game...I sure do), he wasn't quite the dual threat that Belton is. He also didn't have the RBs behind him that this group in 2011 does. Maybe most importantly though is that DePauw does not have the offense they did in 2008. This DePauw offense isn't just below average, it is deficient. The national rankings back that up. You cannot win if you cannot score. DePauw may very well slow down Wabash's offense. Wabash may call a fairly conservative game knowing that they can really only get beat on short fields or defensive scores. I'm not predicting another 40-burger this year. But I'm having a hard, hard time figuring out how DePauw scores points with that offense against this defense. That's the difference between 2008 and 2011.
Both good points. Another difference between 2008 and 2011 is the coaching. Hopefully Long brings a good plan and earns his first Bell; the disaster last year leaves me skeptical. I'd happily take 3-0, DPU.
Breck - You are one of those types that hides behind trees....
Everyone that spends more than a few weeks on this board know exactly who I am and what I stand for.
Thus, far, some Depauw faithful have now used: Alzheimers (Hope that poster never has a parent with it), abuse of children (are you a Dad with teenage kids? I am, and numerous gay remarks..... I went back to last year and the year before and it is ALL the same from you.... it gets old.
Would people in your law firm in Colorado enjoy reading your posts on here? I doubt it.
If this is what the rivalry has come to for you guys? That's pretty sad. You're only making Depauw look like a joke
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 02:25:18 PM
Breck - You are one of those types that hides behind trees....
Everyone that spends more than a few weeks on this board know exactly who I am and what I stand for.
Thus, far, some Depauw faithful have now used: Alzheimers (Hope that poster never has a parent with it), abuse of children (are you a Dad with teenage kids? I am, and numerous gay remarks..... I went back to last year and the year before and it is ALL the same from you.... it gets old.
Would people in your law firm in Colorado enjoy reading your posts on here? I doubt it.
If this is what the rivalry has come to for you guys? That's pretty sad. You're only making Depauw look like a joke
Yap Yap Yap Yap. I don't hide behind anything.
If you can't take the heat of this rivalry I suggest you look into another so called "Greatest Rivalry" such as Oklahoma-OSU, Michigan-Ohio State, or USC-N.D. Nothing has changed in this rivalry since day one. I don't see anything changing in the future.
You are like a small child who tattle-tales when something doesn't go their own way. "Boosie Hoosie, Mooommmmmy! Dannie called me fat!!!" If you don't like something posted on here, do the manly thing (I doubt they teach being a man at Debash School of Nautical Rope Tying), ignore it. You know exactly what will happen if you don't.
The only joke I see is Debash and its followers.
I have never been to the Bashbacker tailgate. I usually try to catch up with or two of you Cavemen every year. I'll try. Going to be tough for me. Couldnt get the day off, so I'm in the office until 12 and then driving like hell to get to Greencastle from downtown Indy in an hour. Gonna be a challenge considering all that construction on I- 70.
Wabash sports release is posted.
http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2011/11/9/ReleaseNov92011.pdf?id=40
Quote from: wabndy on November 09, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
Wabash sports release is posted.
http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2011/11/9/ReleaseNov92011.pdf?id=40
this is straight from debash's release - we've been discussing this on here for week's, but let's stop acting like strange things don't happen in this rivalry:
Wabash is 9-0 for third time in four seasons heading into Saturday's
contest, which in recent history would make DePauw the favorite. The
Little Giants were undefeated in 2007 before heading to Greencastle,
where a last-second 47-yard field goal by Jordan Havercamp game the
Tigers a 24-21 victory. The Little Giants were 9-0 again and ranked third in
the country the next season, but DePauw scored 23 points in the first half
on the way to a 36-14 win.
Wabash has been undefeated eight times heading into the final game of
the season against DePauw, but is just 3-4-1 in those Monon Bell games.
The Little Giants finished the regular season undefeated in 2005, 2002,
and 1982 and tied DePauw 22-22 in 1980. Wabash suffered losses in 208,
2007, 1998, and 1981.
Last year DePauw came into the Monon Bell Classic with a spotless 9-0
record before losing in Crawfordsville 47-0 to the Little Giants.
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 09, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: wabndy on November 09, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
Wabash sports release is posted.
http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2011/11/9/ReleaseNov92011.pdf?id=40
this is straight from debash's release - we've been discussing this on here for week's, but let's stop acting like strange things don't happen in this rivalry:
Wabash is 9-0 for third time in four seasons heading into Saturday’s
contest, which in recent history would make DePauw the favorite. The
Little Giants were undefeated in 2007 before heading to Greencastle,
where a last-second 47-yard field goal by Jordan Havercamp game the
Tigers a 24-21 victory. The Little Giants were 9-0 again and ranked third in
the country the next season, but DePauw scored 23 points in the first half
on the way to a 36-14 win.
Wabash has been undefeated eight times heading into the final game of
the season against DePauw, but is just 3-4-1 in those Monon Bell games.
The Little Giants finished the regular season undefeated in 2005, 2002,
and 1982 and tied DePauw 22-22 in 1980. Wabash suffered losses in 208,
2007, 1998, and 1981.
Last year DePauw came into the Monon Bell Classic with a spotless 9-0
record before losing in Crawfordsville 47-0 to the Little Giants.
But not anything can happen! We must go back to the numbers and lists of player matchups.
I guess that post silenced dabash, Irish.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 09, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: wabndy on November 09, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
Wabash sports release is posted.
http://sports.wabash.edu/documents/2011/11/9/ReleaseNov92011.pdf?id=40
this is straight from debash's release - we've been discussing this on here for week's, but let's stop acting like strange things don't happen in this rivalry:
Wabash is 9-0 for third time in four seasons heading into Saturday’s
contest, which in recent history would make DePauw the favorite. The
Little Giants were undefeated in 2007 before heading to Greencastle,
where a last-second 47-yard field goal by Jordan Havercamp game the
Tigers a 24-21 victory. The Little Giants were 9-0 again and ranked third in
the country the next season, but DePauw scored 23 points in the first half
on the way to a 36-14 win.
Wabash has been undefeated eight times heading into the final game of
the season against DePauw, but is just 3-4-1 in those Monon Bell games.
The Little Giants finished the regular season undefeated in 2005, 2002,
and 1982 and tied DePauw 22-22 in 1980. Wabash suffered losses in 208,
2007, 1998, and 1981.
Last year DePauw came into the Monon Bell Classic with a spotless 9-0
record before losing in Crawfordsville 47-0 to the Little Giants.
But not anything can happen! We must go back to the numbers and lists of player matchups.
I guess that post silenced dabash, Irish.
guess so
I realize that Breckinridge is distracting and working with original material but did anyone catch the 2-deep for DePauw?? Is that a misprint??? They have 2 starting O-linemen that are about 6'2 215? WTH? Seriously? One is a left tackle, the other the right guard. Again, is that right?
Hey Breck - did you play? Were you a punter? You should stop by our tailgate, I would love to meet you buddy, you seem really cool.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2011, 07:51:21 PM
I realize that Breckinridge is distracting and working with original material but did anyone catch the 2-deep for DePauw?? Is that a misprint??? They have 2 starting O-linemen that are about 6'2 215? WTH? Seriously? One is a left tackle, the other the right guard. Again, is that right?
Hey Breck - did you play? Were you a punter? You should stop by our tailgate, I would love to meet you buddy, you seem really cool.
I did play dabashbacker, and although being a punter would be awesome, I can not say I ever kicked a ball. I can say I never lost a Bell in four years. Never lost to Dabash, you can't even imagine what that feels like.
I would love to stop by your tailgate. Thanks for the invite! Just let me know where and when.
He is a tough guy on the boards.... He'll be hiding behind the tree that is 20 yards from your tailgate 16.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 08:12:32 PM
He is a tough guy on the boards.... He'll be hiding behind the tree that is 20 yards from your tailgate 16.
Is that another invite dabashbrother? Because I would love to stop by your tailgate as well.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2011, 07:51:21 PM
I realize that Breckinridge is distracting and working with original material but did anyone catch the 2-deep for DePauw?? Is that a misprint??? They have 2 starting O-linemen that are about 6'2 215? WTH? Seriously? One is a left tackle, the other the right guard. Again, is that right?
I saw that too and did a double take. Zeus is gonna have fun with that.
Breck,
That's awesome. Just stop by - look for a White flag that says DePauw Swallows or a Red flag with a 1 on it. We'll be in white. 4-0 in Bell games is impressive - I'm sure you were the guy that made it happen.
Please come by.
BB16
The bell is ringing at Wabash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be)
16 -
Hilarious, make sure to take pictures.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
The bell is ringing at Wabash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be)
Awesome!
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
The bell is ringing at Wabash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be)
The best part of that video is that Dawally has headphones on. What, does he not like that sweet, sweet sound?
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
The bell is ringing at Wabash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspSYEAa97w&feature=youtu.be)
The best part of that video is that Dawally has headphones on. What, does he not like that sweet, sweet sound?
i literally was typing the same thing when you posted it Bear....c'mon...that's a sweet sound. for a guy that's been taking heat, Bear, you're awfully popular with the invites to debash tailgates
Imma guess that he can hear it over his iPod.
How cool is it that Wabash puts the Bell out for everyone to enjoy during Bell Week? Waaay better than keeping it locked up 24/7.
Question for the DePauw posters:
Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle. I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason). What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances? Is it the school or the town leaders? both? In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years. I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.
Your thoughts?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 08:45:34 PM
Imma guess that he can hear it over his iPod.
How cool is it that Wabash puts the Bell out for everyone to enjoy during Bell Week? Waaay better than keeping it locked up 24/7.
it's not locked up 24/7 during Monon Week - at least for the players. Players do get to enjoy it during the week. I do see your point of getting campus involved....but players definitely get a taste of it throughout the week
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
Question for the DePauw posters:
Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle. I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason). What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances? Is it the school or the town leaders? both? In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years. I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.
Your thoughts?
don't disagree that the list of rules that is sent with the tickets is a bit much - c'mon. I will say, I have YET to see any of this enforced over the last say 10 years that i've I attended as an alum. Maybe it's because I'm a DePauw alum, but haven't noticed any kind of treatment disallowing us to have a great time with our tailgates. And it's not just a pickup that we pull up in....it's a weekend event, RV and all. Curious to hear if you've been treated differently or just done your thing and gone from there.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
Question for the DePauw posters:
Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle. I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason). What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances? Is it the school or the town leaders? both? In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years. I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.
Your thoughts?
Read the tailgate regulations for any stadium (NFL/College) in this country. They have similar, if not the same, rules. They have to put up those types of regulations because some lawyer told them it would be a good idea. The regulations are a CYA in case anyone does something stupid or someone gets hurt.
I have seen statements from the Greencastle/Depauw Police which say they are not out to bust people, but just to make sure it is a safe and fun environment for everyone. I have also been in situations where the Greencastle/Depauw Police give you a warning/suggestion on how to fit within the regulations. Handle your stuff, act like an adult and Depauw Police will be cool, similar to the Crawfordsburg Cops. They know what Monon is about.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
Question for the DePauw posters:
Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle. I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason). What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances? Is it the school or the town leaders? both? In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years. I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.
Your thoughts?
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm guessing there's some kind of just-in-case liability things at work here. We mock the list of do's and dont's because, well, we don't have such lists at Wabash. But in practice, at least the last two times I've been down to Greencastle for this game (which is when I think that list got put out for everybody to see...2007), my tailgate has been completely unobstructed by authorities making the rounds. Keep it gentlemanly and they won't bother you. That's been my experience.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
Breck,
That's awesome. Just stop by - look for a White flag that says DePauw Swallows or a Red flag with a 1 on it. We'll be in white. 4-0 in Bell games is impressive - I'm sure you were the guy that made it happen.
Please come by.
BB16
I would love to come over, but you are going to have to give me a better description than describing every unoriginal Dabash tailgate.
4-0 in Bell games is impressive, and at Depauw we believe in team efforts. This is football, not wrestling.
Quote from: bashbrother on November 09, 2011, 08:29:17 PM
16 -
Hilarious, make sure to take pictures.
I take it you are retracting your invite dabashbro? Something better going on this Saturday?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 09, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
Question for the DePauw posters:
Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle. I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason). What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances? Is it the school or the town leaders? both? In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years. I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.
Your thoughts?
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm guessing there's some kind of just-in-case liability things at work here. We mock the list of do's and dont's because, well, we don't have such lists at Wabash. But in practice, at least the last two times I've been down to Greencastle for this game (which is when I think that list got put out for everybody to see...2007), my tailgate has been completely unobstructed by authorities making the rounds. Keep it gentlemanly and they won't bother you. That's been my experience.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 09, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 09, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
Question for the DePauw posters:
Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle. I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason). What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances? Is it the school or the town leaders? both? In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years. I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.
Your thoughts?
Read the tailgate regulations for any stadium (NFL/College) in this country. They have similar, if not the same, rules. They have to put up those types of regulations because some lawyer told them it would be a good idea. The regulations are a CYA in case anyone does something stupid or someone gets hurt.
I have seen statements from the Greencastle/Depauw Police which say they are not out to bust people, but just to make sure it is a safe and fun environment for everyone. I have also been in situations where the Greencastle/Depauw Police give you a warning/suggestion on how to fit within the regulations. Handle your stuff, act like an adult and Depauw Police will be cool, similar to the Crawfordsburg Cops. They know what Monon is about.
well said, both accounts
Bashbro is down in South Florida, with me, and we'll represent at the party down here.
Dannies,
It's Monon Bell... It's NOT Monon. Seriously. Dude - winner gets the Monon Bell NOT the Monon!
Make the adjustment unlike last year.
Please.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2011, 09:45:44 PM
Dannies,
It's Monon Bell... It's NOT Monon. Seriously. Dude - winner gets the Monon Bell NOT the Monon!
Make the adjustment unlike Robby last year.
Please.
Thanks for this incredible insight. I can live now.
This is just not going to be the year where an inferior team rises up and finds the magic. The difference in talent this year between the two teams is just too large. Add to that the fact that you are starting a Freshman QB in a Bell Game with hardly a game under his belt - Good Luck. I am just not seeing this being a close game, no matter how much rah...rah...rah... goes on in the Depauw locker-room.
In many, if not all, of the examples that have been slung back and fourth on this board, even in those games where one team entered with a much better record, the experience and talent gap still wasn't what it is this year. Post that on the Locker Room wall if you want Tigers, it is the truth.
The Most Experienced and More Talented Team Wins Football Games..... Not Necessarily the Team with the Best Record.
Wabash 37 Depauw 14 (Although, I am being nice and still don't see how that offense scores 14 pts)
Sure the emotion of the rivalry can affect players into playing a little harder...... but this emotion is not going to close this year's gap. The Depauw Program will be back to prominence....we need it in the NCAC, but this isn't going to be their game.
Out until Monday
My Advice to Greendingle - http://youtu.be/uepFO4psgKE (http://youtu.be/uepFO4psgKE)
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 09, 2011, 10:41:43 PM
Breck,
You're so cool, please stop by our tailgate!! Please. Neat guy, stud athlete, probably hot wife - you are a plain stud!
I love your positive outlook. Dude - we're going to bury you guys!! It's men among boys! Seriously, find something... Hahaha. As someone said "I don't see Spud Dick walking thru the door.."
WAF
Dabashbacker you need to calm down. Is there someone you can talk too right now?
I am glad that you still consider yourself a member of the boyzz who will be playing Saturday, it is good to have that much spirit. The fact of the matter is, unless you are a current member of Debash as a player or coach, little of what you personally do will have any type of impact on this game. I won 4 Bells. I don't know if you played, but from your posts it appears you did, and you may have won a Bell or two yourself. We are fans now, we can't do more than support our teams.
I am as passionate a Depauw fan as I can be living in a state with no DIII football some 1000 miles from the school. It is clearly visible and understood that you are a passionate Debash Caveboy fan. Although we will never agree on anything, and I could care less about anything you say or believe, we are connected through this game. Being an adult and knowing that this is an unshakable truth, there is little we can do but get together on this board and talk trash for a few weeks every year. I imagine this to be the set of circumstances in which we will find ourselves for many years.
Sure I know that you were kidding about your invite, but I would love to stop by your tailgate. Part of the Monon Bell experience is actually being in a place with Dabash and talking with the fans, parents, and players. I did my time. I won my 4 Bells. I am a fan now. Sure I talk trash, but what fan of Monon Bell Game can say they honestly have not? The trash talk is never going to end.
Each year since I graduated I make my yearly trip back to Indiana for the greatest game of the football season. I take vacation time, and expend resources to make sure this happens every year. I also make sure to try and talk to as many fans as I can every year. Some of the people I have met and the stories that have come out of this yearly trip make me return each year.
Maybe at some point we can have a beer as fans of the Monon Bell tradition. I would invite you to visit our tailgate, but I am sure I already know your answer.
Bear:
Spot on with the post.
I hosted a few Wabash/DePauw telecast parties back in the late 80's in Denver before moving back east. Next year, we will link up in Crawfordsville and knock back a few before the game. While I have an intense dislike of the school, the players are cut from the same cloth, just dyed different colors, and each thanking God that they were fortunate enough to turn the right direction on 231.
Here's wishing you safe travels to Indianapolis and a depressing and long ride home on Sunday.
Three in a row is looking good right now.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 10, 2011, 12:56:39 AM
Bear:
Spot on with the post.
I hosted a few Wabash/DePauw telecast parties back in the late 80's in Denver before moving back east. Next year, we will link up in Crawfordsville and knock back a few before the game. While I have an intense dislike of the school, the players are cut from the same cloth, just dyed different colors, and each thanking God that they were fortunate enough to turn the right direction on 231.
Here's wishing you safe travels to Indianapolis and a depressing and long ride home on Sunday.
Three in a row is looking good right now.
Dabashbacker you need to calm down. Is there someone you can talk too right now?
I am glad that you still consider yourself a member of the boyzz who will be playing Saturday, it is good to have that much spirit. The fact of the matter is, unless you are a current member of Debash as a player or coach, little of what you personally do will have any type of impact on this game. I won 4 Bells. I don't know if you played, but from your posts it appears you did, and you may have won a Bell or two yourself. We are fans now, we can't do more than support our teams.
I am as passionate a Depauw fan as I can be living in a state with no DIII football some 1000 miles from the school. It is clearly visible and understood that you are a passionate Debash Caveboy fan. Although we will never agree on anything, and I could care less about anything you say or believe, we are connected through this game. Being an adult and knowing that this is an unshakable truth, there is little we can do but get together on this board and talk trash for a few weeks every year. I imagine this to be the set of circumstances in which we will find ourselves for many years.
Sure I know that you were kidding about your invite, but I would love to stop by your tailgate. Part of the Monon Bell experience is actually being in a place with Dabash and talking with the fans, parents, and players. I did my time. I won my 4 Bells. I am a fan now. Sure I talk trash, but what fan of Monon Bell Game can say they honestly have not? The trash talk is never going to end.
Each year since I graduated I make my yearly trip back to Indiana for the greatest game of the football season. I take vacation time, and expend resources to make sure this happens every year. I also make sure to try and talk to as many fans as I can every year. Some of the people I have met and the stories that have come out of this yearly trip make me return each year.
Maybe at some point we can have a beer as fans of the Monon Bell tradition. I would invite you to visit our tailgate, but I am sure I already know your answer.
this, men, is said about as best as it can be stated. i too, make the trip, with Bear - having a blast being on the 'other' side of this rivalry since hanging up the cleats. it's an event that is a can't miss and our annual tailgate is something that we hang our hat on every year. love everything this rivalry stands for.
Breck,
You've been downright nasty for 2 solid weeks and basically every year leading up to the game - now you're getting all sappy and talking about the rivalry? I have plenty of respect for DPU guys through the years (coaches, students, players, parents, etc.) and consider many friends of mine. Trust me, they don't say or act like you do.
This thread would be a lot better if it were about the game on Saturday (matchups, keys to the game, etc.) vs your material.
Monon Bell chapel talk today at 11 AM. Good stuff.
WAF
Breck
There is a difference between well thought out expressions of support with a little humor, truth, and expectation/desire added ... and trash talk. There is also a difference between Trash ... and trash talk. I suggest that you sir need to reflect upon this. I suspect I would like most, if not all, of the other "4 Bell" winners group. We may have different expectation/desires for the outcome this year and each year but not expressed with vitriol, vindictiveness, and spite directed personally.
nuf said.
Quote from: Wabash Hokie on November 10, 2011, 12:56:39 AM
Bear:
Spot on with the post.
I hosted a few Wabash/DePauw telecast parties back in the late 80's in Denver before moving back east. Next year, we will link up in Crawfordsville and knock back a few before the game. While I have an intense dislike of the school, the players are cut from the same cloth, just dyed different colors, and each thanking God that they were fortunate enough to turn the right direction on 231.
Here's wishing you safe travels to Indianapolis and a depressing and long ride home on Sunday.
Three in a row is looking good right now.
Thanks. I can only wish my Sunday is glorious, and yours is wretchedly unhappy and uncomfortable.
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on November 10, 2011, 08:48:44 AM
Breck,
You've been downright nasty for 2 solid weeks and basically every year leading up to the game - now you're getting all sappy and talking about the rivalry? I have plenty of respect for DPU guys through the years (coaches, students, players, parents, etc.) and consider many friends of mine. Trust me, they don't say or act like you do.
This thread would be a lot better if it were about the game on Saturday (matchups, keys to the game, etc.) vs your material.
Monon Bell chapel talk today at 11 AM. Good stuff.
WAF
Don't think my hatred will ever cease. At least I am honest. I am sorry your DPU "friends" don't tell you how they feel, because during my 4 years at Depauw and the subsequent duration, I have yet to meet a Depauw grad who has anything good to say about Debash School of Part-Time Package Handling.
As for talking about the game, go ahead and post your thoughts, matchups, and lists. If someone actually cares about it, they will respond. Every post that I make that falls within the Dabash standard as an acceptable post is ignored. But all the posts you have problems with, are responded to immediately. It appears that one topic is more popular than the other. Choose your battles wisely.
Quote from: wabco on November 10, 2011, 09:36:45 AM
Breck
There is a difference between well thought out expressions of support with a little humor, truth, and expectation/desire added ... and trash talk. There is also a difference between Trash ... and trash talk. I suggest that you sir need to reflect upon this. I suspect I would like most, if not all, of the other "4 Bell" winners group. We may have different expectation/desires for the outcome this year and each year but not expressed with vitriol, vindictiveness, and spite directed personally.
nuf said.
Thanks Dabasco. If you can't take the heat, you should have chose a better school. Fact of the matter is I hate Debush. You can view the trashtalk anyway you want, that is your right.
Here's this that I pulled from the Monon thread leading up to the 2009 game. I used it then because DePauw blew out Wabash in 2008. Applies here for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
Here's today's Monon fun fact for you:
A team has won this game by 21 points or more 10 times since 1950. 8 of those teams went on to win the next year. DePauw beat Wabash in both of those outliers (1983 & 1955). In fact, Wabash is just 2-7-1 in games immediately following a loss by 21 or more in the entire history of the rivalry, including 0 for their last 4. The Cavemen won in 1944 after losing 33-0 in 1943 and they also won in 1903 after DePauw won twice to the tune of 33-5 and 31-2 in 1901. There was no game in 1902.
I make the point, obviously, because of the 22 point victory last season.
EDIT: As a counterpoint, DePauw's record in Bell games that they lost by more than 21 in the previous year is 3-12.
It's now 11 times since 1950 with 8 teams winning the next year. Wabash is now 3-7-1 in Bell games following a 21 pt loss.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 10, 2011, 11:07:18 AM
Here's this that I pulled from the Monon thread leading up to the 2009 game. I used it then because DePauw blew out Wabash in 2008. Applies here for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
Here's today's Monon fun fact for you:
A team has won this game by 21 points or more 10 times since 1950. 8 of those teams went on to win the next year. DePauw beat Wabash in both of those outliers (1983 & 1955). In fact, Wabash is just 2-7-1 in games immediately following a loss by 21 or more in the entire history of the rivalry, including 0 for their last 4. The Cavemen won in 1944 after losing 33-0 in 1943 and they also won in 1903 after DePauw won twice to the tune of 33-5 and 31-2 in 1901. There was no game in 1902.
I make the point, obviously, because of the 22 point victory last season.
EDIT: As a counterpoint, DePauw's record in Bell games that they lost by more than 21 in the previous year is 3-12.
It's now 11 times since 1950 with 8 teams winning the next year. Wabash is now 3-7-1 in Bell games following a 21 pt loss.
Wes, you are missing the point that not anything can happen.
Wes,
Despite you being a Dannie, I feel for you on Saturday. What happens if you call in sick or dead?
I'm well aware that anything can happen. I do believe DePauw can win on Saturday. I've said that many times over, comrade. If Wabash can't move it, then DePauw will have a shot late. I do believe that. We have the argument every single year here about how good Wabash's offense is, but most years (not 2010, 2003, or 2002) this defense holds Wabash to lower than their season average. Some years it's a fraction of what they normally score. It has shown that it doesn't matter who Wabash's coach is, who DePauw's coach is, nor who any of the players are. It's POSSIBLE.
smed, my boss is at the point that she circles this date just like I do. We're also in the November ratings book, so I don't get to take days off period. I'll take what I can get. In '08 I couldn't even get out of work. Horrible one to miss, too.
I feel for ya, bud. I was early on in my job at the consulting firm, and our monthly Saturday client review fell on the same day as the Whitewater game. After attending every home game but one since 1984 and working the stats crew and being the PA guy from 1986 until I moved to MN in mid-2007, I couldn't make the game that was 'in the neighborhood'. (OK, 5 1/2 hours away, but still...)
Maybe Operation Football can chopper you in!
Not anything can happen, but . . .
How does DPU improve on last year's performance (95 yards of offense, 11 yards rushing) with this year's team? I had forgotten just how bad those numbers were. Those numbers (like 47-0) are not likely to be repeated . . . nor is Wabash's 498 yards of offense in last year's game (although I am OK if the LG's proves me wrong!).
Wabash 27 - DPU 7
http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=9257
"My experience is that the undefeated team has little to no chance in winning this game," Wabash Coach Erik Raeburn.
"This will be my fourth Bell game; twice there has been a 9-0 team, and twice they have lost. Our guys know that with the intensity of the rivalry that you throw out the records and that is the big cliché, but it has held true and that's why this rivalry is so good: it's been so even." Wabash Coach Erik Raeburn.
Apparently Coach Raeburn seems to be on the same page as me, while the Debash posters are not.
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
http://youtu.be/ZUeuZxjCOJs
BOOM!!!!!
I can assure you that Coach Raeburn isn't anywhere near the same page you're on. He's not even in the same book. Your "page", in general, is peurile, offensive, and embarrassing.
So what's the coach of a team supposed to say? "Yeah, this is a pretty wicked mismatch. Should be a cakewalk. Really, we just hope nobody gets hurt because we have a real football team to play next weekend." Of course not. His job is to keep everybody's eyes on the prize, take nothing for granted, and all of that good stuff.
There's an important thing to keep in mind here. The 9-0 teams that have been beaten recently...Wabash 2007, Wabash 2008, DePauw 2010...they weren't beaten by bad teams. The teams that won those games were good teams. 2011 DePauw is adequate defensively and positively deficient offensively. 2011 DePauw is probably the worst team that this series has seen since 1995. The gap between the two teams is bigger than it has been in a long, long time. Can DePauw win on Saturday? Sure they can. Is it likely? Wouldn't appear so. It would be the biggest upset in the series since I've started watching it in 1996 for sure.
You guys find a quarterback yet, or are you holding a raffle before kickoff? Holder of gold ticket number 2,439 congratulations!
There are some things that even history can't overcome.
Depauw's Starting QB has been announced for the Bell Game. Little Timmy Schneider, the Pride of Deer Meadow Primary School, has been called up to lead the Tigers.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
I can assure you that Coach Raeburn isn't anywhere near the same page you're on. He's not even in the same book. Your "page", in general, is peurile, offensive, and embarrassing.
So what's the coach of a team supposed to say? "Yeah, this is a pretty wicked mismatch. Should be a cakewalk. Really, we just hope nobody gets hurt because we have a real football team to play next weekend." Of course not. His job is to keep everybody's eyes on the prize, take nothing for granted, and all of that good stuff.
There's an important thing to keep in mind here. The 9-0 teams that have been beaten recently...Wabash 2007, Wabash 2008, DePauw 2010...they weren't beaten by bad teams. The teams that won those games were good teams. 2011 DePauw is adequate defensively and positively deficient offensively. 2011 DePauw is probably the worst team that this series has seen since 1995. The gap between the two teams is bigger than it has been in a long, long time. Can DePauw win on Saturday? Sure they can. Is it likely? Wouldn't appear so. It would be the biggest upset in the series since I've started watching it in 1996 for sure.
You guys find a quarterback yet, or are you holding a raffle before kickoff? Holder of gold ticket number 2,439 congratulations!
Yap, Yap, Yap, Yap, Yap.
Old DabashFrom the hills of Montgomery County to the streets of Crawfordstucky, Or anywhere a dawally is blowing;
From the gloomy shadiness of a dabash boyzz cave, To the guiding light of Putnam County;
There's a name not known and a color not cheered, and nowhere found glowing
And the tears will rise to our longing eyes, As we wish to float on as a future Greencastle townie.
When the day is done and the Depauw sun Is painting in tiger glory
Across the skies with gorgeous dyes, That balck and gold Color we love so well,
We love to sit and not do sh*t, And praise we don't know what in song and story,
We love to shout as if anyone cares, A good old Dabash yell.
REFRAIN
Our Prayers are never answered, Our voices and hearts feebly combine
To sing thy praise of DePauw ways which Shall bring a glimpse of hope before us.
When Technical School days are past, As long as our miserable life shall last,
Our greatest joy besides being a caveboy will be to shout the chorus.
CHORUS
Dear Old Dabash, thy seditious boyzz shall always continue to loath thee,
And o'er thy bland halls, the pink flag shall modestly flash;
Long in our hearts we'll bear the poor choice of attending thee,
But long shall we sing thy praises, to Old DePauw.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
I can assure you that Coach Raeburn isn't anywhere near the same page you're on. He's not even in the same book. Your "page", in general, is peurile, offensive, and embarrassing.
So what's the coach of a team supposed to say? "Yeah, this is a pretty wicked mismatch. Should be a cakewalk. Really, we just hope nobody gets hurt because we have a real football team to play next weekend." Of course not. His job is to keep everybody's eyes on the prize, take nothing for granted, and all of that good stuff.
There's an important thing to keep in mind here. The 9-0 teams that have been beaten recently...Wabash 2007, Wabash 2008, DePauw 2010...they weren't beaten by bad teams. The teams that won those games were good teams. 2011 DePauw is adequate defensively and positively deficient offensively. 2011 DePauw is probably the worst team that this series has seen since 1995. The gap between the two teams is bigger than it has been in a long, long time. Can DePauw win on Saturday? Sure they can. Is it likely? Wouldn't appear so. It would be the biggest upset in the series since I've started watching it in 1996 for sure.
You guys find a quarterback yet, or are you holding a raffle before kickoff? Holder of gold ticket number 2,439 congratulations!
Yap, Yap, Yap, Yap, Yap.
Solid retort. You're such a joke.
I don't think I have seen an O-line that averaged 248 lbs since I was in High School..... even then, it was hard to find.
But you will beat us with your speed....right? (Picture below was shot during a recent Tiger game at Austin...The Tiger's escaped with a close victory... and then celebrated with a Pizza Party at Snappy Tomatoes)
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A weather report that paraphrases Kenny Rice from last year's Bell Game: "Flurries in Crawfordsville!"
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward young boys.
Hey, what do you guys think is greater: The number of yards gained by DePauw's offense on Saturday or the weight of their starting left tackle (215)?
Quote from: wabco on November 10, 2011, 09:36:45 AM
Breck
There is a difference between well thought out expressions of support with a little humor, truth, and expectation/desire added ... and trash talk. There is also a difference between Trash ... and trash talk. I suggest that you sir need to reflect upon this. I suspect I would like most, if not all, of the other "4 Bell" winners group. We may have different expectation/desires for the outcome this year and each year but not expressed with vitriol, vindictiveness, and spite directed personally.
nuf said.
Seriously, it's like he was trained how to post messages on YouTube.
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward young boys.
It was inappropriate when a DPU fan made the same snide comment about Wabash fans and it is just as inappropriate for you to make it about DPU fans. Sexual abuse of children is not a laughing matter.
I agree with you 100% gobash83. Entirely unacceptable.
Now for a History lesson.
Once previously (before last year) a Monon Bell game was decided by a score of 47-0. Wabash did that in 1952. Wabash then won 42-0 in 1953, and 28-0 in 1954. Three year combined score 117-0.
I like History.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
Hey, what do you guys think is greater: The number of yards gained by DePauw's offense on Saturday or the weight of their starting left tackle (215)?
That will be a close one, if that doesn't speak to depth issues, I don't know what does.... You may be able to get away with it at the defensive end position, but not a left tackle..... I don't care what side your QB's blindside is......
Could be a contributing reason why they are on their 5th QB....
Quote from: gobash83 on November 10, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward young boys.
It was inappropriate when a DPU fan made the same snide comment about Wabash fans and it is just as inappropriate for you to make it about DPU fans. Sexual abuse of children is not a laughing matter.
Fair enough. But 1) it wasn't a pedophilia joke. It was a pedophile joke, and 2) I wasn't making it about DPU fans. Just Breck.
Who it was directed towards doesn't matter. Still doesn't justify it.
Misogyny, homophobia and pedophilia aren't funny, no matter what.
However, the Dannies are high comedy in their own right.
I mean, just look at them. They all remind me of Greg Marmalard ready to take Mandy out for a date, making sure they have enough Zima from their secret stash for 'good times', but making sure they're in bed by midnight for tomorrow's remedial spelling (it's p-o-t-a-t-o) lessons! ;)
ER Bell Pre-game up on Wabash.edu
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: gobash83 on November 10, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward young boys.
It was inappropriate when a DPU fan made the same snide comment about Wabash fans and it is just as inappropriate for you to make it about DPU fans. Sexual abuse of children is not a laughing matter.
Fair enough. But I wasn't making it about DPU fans. Just Breck.
You don't know me dagodouche.
As a father, I find your comments highly inappropriate and reprehensible. We all know that the boards get heated, and things are said that are not agreeable to all. Often don't need to be responded to some of the comments at all. I was willing to let you initial comment slide until I got your followup.
The fact of the matter is that a mere apology would suffice. But it is apparent you are not capable.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: gobash83 on November 10, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward young boys.
It was inappropriate when a DPU fan made the same snide comment about Wabash fans and it is just as inappropriate for you to make it about DPU fans. Sexual abuse of children is not a laughing matter.
Fair enough. But I wasn't making it about DPU fans. Just Breck.
You don't know me dagodouche.
As a father, I find your comments highly inappropriate and reprehensible. We all know that the boards get heated, and things are said that are not agreeable to all. Often these don't need to be responded to, or even some of the comments at all. I was willing to let your initial comment slide until I got your followup.
The fact of the matter is that a mere apology would suffice. But it is apparent you are not capable of apologizing.
And as an Italian feminine hygiene product, I find your comments highly inappropriate.
But for what it's worth, I apologize for hurting your very sensitive feelings. At no time in the lobbing of said insult did I actually remotely believe that you were a pederast. Who knew that a play on words would upset so many on here.
You are an illiterate homophobe, however. I stand by that.
Do wallies bring real martini glasses to their tailgates or do you guys just pour your cosmos into a plastic cup? I'm guessing plastic since it saves the hassle of washing your lipstick off the rim. Then again, maybe you enjoy dishwashing since it matches your vocational abilities.
Congrats on your season thus far, wallies. I hope we ruin it. I'd be lying if I didn't agree that Garbash Institute Online will likely win this game. Yeah Dannies, we have a chance but it's about as slim as CJ Gum's employment prospects (unless he wants a role on Dog the Bounty Hunter). The Little Debbies seem to have the superior team, though I'm not convinced the gap in talent is as wide as many like to believe. My biggest concern is the coaching. Raeburn has demonstrated the ability to win this game and Long still needs to deliver a Bell.
Not excited to expect another loss, but it's nice that I won't be as disappointed (probably) as last year. A) 47-0 or worse is unlikely, B) not expecting rain, and C) not wasting any time in Crawfordstucky. IF we do win, this will be the happiest I've been about a game result since 2000. Enjoy your squad, wallies. And remeber, if you sh*t on the grass please pick it up with a plastic bag; you're back on hallowed ground this year.
Quote from: Danny Boy on November 10, 2011, 04:33:06 PM
Enjoy your squad, wallies. And remeber, if you sh*t on the grass please pick it up with a plastic bag; you're back on hallowed ground this year.
Dude, my *ss. Blackstock is a dump. Your football facility may very well be the worst in the NCAC. Hallowed ground? Please. You better ask around.
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Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It’s the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward young boys.
It was inappropriate when a DPU fan made the same snide comment about Wabash fans and it is just as inappropriate for you to make it about DPU fans. Sexual abuse of children is not a laughing matter.
Fair enough. But I wasn't making it about DPU fans. Just Breck.
You don't know me dagodouche.
As a father, I find your comments highly inappropriate and reprehensible. We all know that the boards get heated, and things are said that are not agreeable to all. Often these don't need to be responded to, or even some of the comments at all. I was willing to let your initial comment slide until I got your followup.
The fact of the matter is that a mere apology would suffice. But it is apparent you are not capable of apologizing.
And as an Italian feminine hygiene product, I find your comments highly inappropriate.
But for what it's worth, I apologize for hurting your very sensitive feelings. At no time in the lobbing of said insult did I actually remotely believe that you were a pederast. Who knew that a play on words would upset so many on here.
You are an illiterate homophobe, however. I stand by that.
Keep digging that hole. Failure to proofread is just about on par with your comments.
Don't worry, you did not hurt my feelings. It still doesn't make your comment appropriate.
Well one is unbeaten..... but everything else is pretty accurate....
Duck Fepauw!!!
http://youtu.be/CWXB9uyVNDs (http://youtu.be/CWXB9uyVNDs)
Quote from: gobash on November 10, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 10, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
"It's the Bell Game. Throw out the records and throw out tendencies." Howard W. Hewitt
We'll throw out our record, if you promise to throw out your tendencies. Mostly the ones toward xxxxx xxxx.
How about perhaps this is even less appropriate than usual given the revelations of the past week?
Thanks Pat.
Guys, responsible posting is not about political correctness. Sure, the line can be hard to define, but instead of trying to one-up each other on crude vulgarities and sexual insults, we are all certainly clever and creative enough to do better. Maybe being the father of a 14 year old son has skewed my perspective, but I really don't think so.
Getting off the soap box now . . .
DePauw to Hell, we're keeping the Bell.
11 yrs ago today --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMW2o7TNSwA&feature=share
Quote from: Schwami on November 11, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Thanks Pat.
Guys, responsible posting is not about political correctness. Sure, the line can be hard to define, but instead of trying to one-up each other on crude vulgarities and sexual insults, we are all certainly clever and creative enough to do better. Maybe being the father of a 14 year old son has skewed my perspective, but I really don't think so.
Getting off the soap box now . . .
DePauw to Hell, we're keeping the Bell.
Well said.
Quote from: Schwami on November 11, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Thanks Pat.
Guys, responsible posting is not about political correctness. Sure, the line can be hard to define, but instead of trying to one-up each other on crude vulgarities and sexual insults, we are all certainly clever and creative enough to do better. Maybe being the father of a 14 year old son has skewed my perspective, but I really don't think so.
Getting off the soap box now . . .
DePauw to Hell, we're keeping the Bell.
I still hate Dabash.
Well. Can't say I enjoyed watching as the board decided to eat itself these past couple days.
With the hope of moving on, here are some predictions as we cross the 23-hour threshold.
Ready? Here goes:
1.) Wabash will go out of its way to be aggressive early. A 4th-down attempt, several deep throws, a fake punt, something like this will happen early. An announcement. A declaration of intent. I imagine they'll want to send the message that, no, Depauw isn't the only team that wants this very, very badly. I promise you Raeburn is doing the Upper-Dog (Is this a thing? I'm saying it's a thing) chant of "bury them early" or "don't let them stick around." Which begs the question...
Does Robby Long have a better weapon in this fight than Eminem's LOSE YOURSELF? I mean, "no", the answer is "no." He should play that song non-stop in every hallway of the athletic complex from now until kick-off. Matter of fact, he should've been playing it all week. He should've canceled practice and played that song over highlights from last year's game. Every day he should've done that. And you know what? I'll say it: Wabash should've done the same thing. There might be songs as good in the big-football-game-context, but there ain't not a one better.
Where were we?
2.) Depauw will have a big play in the first couple of series. Every big game has a version of this; the under-dog doing something that seems representative of "coming to play." They'll get their fans riled up, the sideline will start hopping around, Kenny Rice will read his blog post on the air while Paul Maguire "yessirs" every variant of "throw out the records" or "here we go again...!". We'll talk about this play tomorrow night and how it was scary at the time and if Wabash hadn't picked off the next throw it really would've turned into a game.
3.) Wabash will pick off the following throw, or some version thereof, leveling the mo and returning that ugly-feeling to the pit of DPU's collective stomach. It will stay there, that feeling, and it will declare a messy internal war against hope as the game gets further and further out of hand.
When I root for underdogs, I hate big plays early like that-- I know it just means I'll hurt more later.
4.) Robby Long is embarrassed. Robby Long is humiliated. Robby Long has something to prove. And while Robby Long strikes me as someone who wants to stubbornly plow ahead with the same-ol-thing and not go all Mike Leach or Chris Peterson out there, something tells me that he and his Mike Leonard protege OC have 5-6 tricks up their sleeve. One of them goes for big yardage (see prediction #2), though they'll also screw up another at a critical point. Mark this last point down with ink. It'll happen. Some drive will be slaughtered by a mistake on a trick-play.
5.) Does Depauw kick to Chamblee? I have no clue. No prediction here. They're screwed either way.
6.) After loosening up the DPU defense, Wabash will run speed plays all day. They'll run sweeps, bubble-screens, options. They'll throw on 2nd and short or 3rd down, always with a single read for Belton. Speed kills and we're faster. Get a lead, eat up clock, throw to kill.... I think our OC is one of the best in the country right now. He's on fire.
7.) Robby Long will replace Will King for Seaman at some point. Will King is going to get humiliated. They won't have a choice. Seaman will then also get humiliated. What's the over/under on throws by DPU tomorrow?
8.) I say 25.
9.) "You all heard of WorldCom?" Stringer Bell knew what was up. As did Coach Bombay when he unveiled those sick new jerseys and added Adam Banks to the championship game roster of the Mighty Ducks. Remember that? Anyway, DPU should try to augment their identity somehow; A team-wide psychological rebranding. If they want to win, they've got to think of themselves as a fresh, new team. I wonder if we'll see something indicative of this. Maybe they'll all wear new socks.
10.) Stats:
Belton 15-21 165 yards 3 TDs 1 INT; Rushes for 75
King 5-19 31 yards 3 INTS
Wabash Rushing: 265
Depauw Rushing: -3
Wabash Turnovers: 2
Depauw Turnovers: 5
11.) Wabash wins. 35-3
BashDad,
Wow.
Wow.
Bb16
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Quote from: Schwami on November 11, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Thanks Pat.
Guys, responsible posting is not about political correctness. Sure, the line can be hard to define, but instead of trying to one-up each other on crude vulgarities and sexual insults, we are all certainly clever and creative enough to do better. Maybe being the father of a 14 year old son has skewed my perspective, but I really don't think so.
Getting off the soap box now . . .
DePauw to Hell, we're keeping the Bell.
I still hate Dabash.
I can't say I hate DPU, because I have loved DPU women.
Oops, is that TMI?? ;)
Today, the Banner-Graphic published this photo above the headline "Tigers will host 118th Monon Bell Classic Saturday":
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bannergraphic.com%2Fphotos%2F15%2F75%2F35%2F1575351-L.jpg&hash=f6a521c866b47e4721581878cdd3bd4a3211aa03)
It's a preview of tomorrow's game. That's a picture of Will King fumbling.
In a preview of what to expect in tomorrow's game, the hometown rag chose a picture of Will King fumbling.
I like the 3[3] on the defensive player's practice jersey . . . a foretaste of what's to come
Maybe it's my eyes, but from the photo, it appears that DPU practices with toy footballs
That looks like actual game footage. The empty stands are representative of what DePauw stands will resemble by the 4th quarter tomorrow.
Wabash 54, DePauw 0 (same as last year's score had Miracle's TD counted).
In Crawfordsdingle right now (trying to get to Greencastle as fast as possible). It is mighty quiet here. It also smells like poop.
DPU Irish and Danny Boy send wet kisses.
Just so all the Depauw fans know.... this has been sent to all of Wabash
Yeah Dannies, we have a chance but it's about as slim as CJ Gum's employment prospects (unless he wants a role on Dog the Bounty Hunter).
Time for CJ Gum to wreck an entire city
Kudos to organizers on both sides for a great Monon Bell Stag last night...an incredible tradition that is coming back in a big way. If you care about this rivalry, do yourself a favor and go next year...you will not be disappointed.
So I got a phone call about an hour ago, while I was out......
I said hello and all I heard through the phone was the Monon Bell ringing loudly and proudly...
Bashbacker16 - You rock bro, thank you for that. We will all be back up there next year.
WAF!!! Depauw to Hell... We keep the Bell!
http://youtu.be/UNX083Sy0vg (http://youtu.be/UNX083Sy0vg)
Quote from: BashDad on November 11, 2011, 02:20:44 PM
With the hope of moving on, here are some predictions as we cross the 23-hour threshold.
Great Post #3
WAF!
The Dannies will have visions of Gum, Clegg, Buresh, Zinsmaster, Akinribade and Hodges, among others, dancing in their heads tonight. Quite the nightmare.
Time to crash...or at least try to. I hope everybody traveling to the game tomorrow and watching at telecast parties around the country have a fun and safe time at the game. Wabash Always Fights!
Quote from: smedindy on November 11, 2011, 10:25:39 PM
The Dannies will have visions of Gum, Clegg, Buresh, Zinsmaster, Akinribade and Hodges, among others, dancing in their heads tonight. Quite the nightmare.
Just think of the nightmares they'll have tonight ;D
Gotta bump the Ballad (one of the few things I will give DPU credit for) up to here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_v80P_f9d8&feature=youtu.be
Wow. 24-0 end of 1st. Seriously. Seriously.
Go Bash!! Keep it up!! Punt to Chamblee, you can stop him...
"The exodus begins...". They are leaving rapidly. 31-0. Droves are leaving...
Breck,
Can u hear it? Can u hear it?
Love,
BB16
Congrats to DePauw for scoring their first touchdown against Wabash since 2009.
31-7 Wabash at the start of the 4th.
DeBash 38
DePauw 7
8 min left in 4th.
85-7
Offenses were, ummm, offensive but one committed no costly miscues (except darned penalties!). DEBASH DEFENSE DELIVERED BIG (HAMMER TIME) and yet another year of litter box, wound-licking for the Kitties.
Three games series lead - and now a dead heat with Bell Possession. Ding Dong!
Quote from: wabashcpa on November 11, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
That looks like actual game footage. The empty stands are representative of what DePauw stands will resemble by the 4th quarter tomorrow.
Wabash 54, DePauw 0 (same as last year's score had Miracle's TD counted).
Wasn't too far off here. Good job LG's! Now let's get a 2 seed and play some more games in Crawfordsville!
Jut back from the Miami telecast party.......
How fitting was it that two of the Players, 5th year seniors, had the games that they had......
WAF! We won they way we expected to win.... on to the playoffs!
Let's see how long it take for a Dannie to post a concession speech... history is one thing..... talent is another,
Anything can happen!
Guys, honestly, ANYTHING can happen. Please remember that.
Anything can happen, like four special teams and defensive TDs!
Just to show DePauw guys aren't sore losers -- just posted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCeT-yEG3eE
Congrats. Your "D" was terrific.
Congrats to the LGs...at the risk of stating th4e obvious////no asterisks...ridiculous win...enjoy it.
Your defense will get you back in contention soon enough...thanks for the congrats!
QuoteYour defense will get you back in contention soon enough...thanks for the congrats!
Yep...I agree...but back to some of the earlier posts...the Tigers need to re-think recruiting schemes, IMHO.
Well, first they need a line to keep a QB upright. Can't win against good teams with QB4 or 5. Nothing against "Miracle" Max - someone at the party here in So. Florida said he was a good kid. But he was down the depth chart for a reason, and when he came into the game he looked like he should be back calling signals for Floyd Central.
Anybody know where that bear guy went? 8-)
Bear's crying into his Zima somewhere in Bainbridge...
This is an amazing picture from the gallery of today's game posted on the Wabash website sums up my feelings of the Man you have raised BD84....
Magic! (click on the pic and enlarge and check out the ball of magic that appears on his hands as he is taking it into the endzone) priceless photo.... perfect for the office, den, man cave....... Wabash trophy case! Bravo!
WAF!
That is definitely a sweet picture and thanks for the kind words Bashbro. It was a good day today and a great team win. What a way to head into the playoffs! 8-)
Wabash Always Fights!
A more complete recap of thoughts is coming tomorrow, but I'm wiped out today. In short...I'm pleased. Wabash scored 45 points and completed 2 of 16 passes. I can't make that up. It's just too awesome. Congrats to this Wabash team on achieving a 10-0 season and retaining the Monon Bell. Both are incredible accomplishments that make us all extraordinarily proud. The work is not done though...one more prize remains.
45-7. On your own "hallowed ground". That just happened. Welcome to the league, Tigers. Better step your game up lest you wind up finishing in the middle of the creampuff league you've been banging on for the last 12 years because, right now, you're not better than the middle. More thoughts tomorrow.
Ding Ding.
finally making it to boards after making the trip back into town.
i'm a man of my word.....win or lose, i'll take it and tip my hat. that went as ugly as you all said it would. i couldn't have imagined a worse start. as much as i hate to watch you celebrate winning the bell - you deserved it and deserve it. 92-7...that sticks out to me more than anything. how far we have fallen - and in conversations with other alums, faculty and parents - recruiting was a reoccurring theme.
anyway - it was embarrassing. so, here's me - tipping my hat.
had a great time as always - until 12:07 pm yesterday...then it was all downhill
as for 'that bear guy' - he's on a flight back - he didn't forget....
Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 13, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
how far we have fallen - and in conversations with other alums, faculty and parents - recruiting was a reoccurring theme.
Interesting comment. Is the perception that Long isn't that good a recruiter or that Matt Walker was better? DePauw's seniors this year played as freshman under Walker. I'd have to think that his abrupt departure in 2009 had some impact on this year's sophomore and junior class.
Watched the game again on the DVR. Wabash's lackluster offensive stats did have me concerned. Looking at the replay, i don't think it was quite so bad. While I can only assume that the nonstop defensive scoring did take some of the urgency off the offense; Belton had two or three beautiful big passing plays called back for penalties. The flags were legit. Only one hold that I saw broke open the play. Had those plays stood, the offensive stats would not have been so lackluster. Of course, when your defense and special teams score 4 touchdowns, most any offense can take it easy.
For a 4th string qb, king showed a lot of heart, especially behind an abysmal O line.
And finally, it didn't matter but the score should have probably been 40-7 on the safety scored as a td. The R was the only one near the play as I assume the Linesman and LJ were downfield covering the pass play. The U would have had to look through traffic to see that king's knee was definitely down in the end zone. Since the R lines up to the right of the QB, the knee landed right in the crew's blind spot. With more and more d3 programs adding Internet video game broadcasts, wonder when instant replay will go NCAA wide.
"The play is under review..."
"The review is inconclusive. The stream would not stop buffering..."
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Quote from: DPUIrish1 on November 13, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
how far we have fallen - and in conversations with other alums, faculty and parents - recruiting was a reoccurring theme.
Interesting comment. Is the perception that Long isn't that good a recruiter or that Matt Walker was better? DePauw's seniors this year played as freshman under Walker. I'd have to think that his abrupt departure in 2009 had some impact on this year's sophomore and junior class.
Watched the game again on the DVR. Wabash's lackluster offensive stats did have me concerned. Looking at the replay, i don't think it was quite so bad. While I can only assume that the nonstop defensive scoring did take some of the urgency off the offense; Belton had two or three beautiful big passing plays called back for penalties. The flags were legit. Only one hold that I saw broke open the play. Had those plays stood, the offensive stats would not have been so lackluster. Of course, when your defense and special teams score 4 touchdowns, most any offense can take it easy.
For a 4th string qb, king showed a lot of heart, especially behind an abysmal O line.
And finally, it didn't matter but the score should have probably been 40-7 on the safety scored as a td. The R was the only one near the play as I assume the Linesman and LJ were downfield covering the pass play. The U would have had to look through traffic to see that king's knee was definitely down in the end zone. Since the R lines up to the right of the QB, the knee landed right in the crew's blind spot. With more and more d3 programs adding Internet video game broadcasts, wonder when instant replay will go NCAA wide.
i think it was meant that currently we're not bringing in the numbers of the past....
i went through the game on replay as well - probably a lot quicker than you guys did!! definitely seemed to be a safety and not a td (not that it matters). and yeah, the impressive defensive scoring took away from a lackluster day from belton and the offense. though, in games like that when you get such a 1st quarter cushion, i think it becomes easier to let up just a hair.....not sure it's a big concern. impressive day regardless
At the party in South Florida, from our eyes, it definitely was a safety. Who knows, it may have saved you an extra two points if Wabash would have converted after the free kick. Though at that stage, DPU probably should have done the 'onside drop kick free kick' because why the hell not?
Just back to my "cave" after a great weekend. Congrats Caveboyzzz, you played a great game and deserve the win. Enjoy it.
As for the weekend, what a great time. Enjoyed seeing all the Depauw alum, fans, and parents who make it out each year.
Hopefully Depauw can look around and fix what is broken. I think they know the problem, they just need to follow through and make things right.
Quote from: smedindy on November 14, 2011, 09:39:46 AM
"The play is under review..."
"The review is inconclusive. The stream would not stop buffering..."
We have a winner. This is why no replay D-III wide. :)
Quote from: bashbrother on November 12, 2011, 09:54:41 PM
This is an amazing picture from the gallery of today's game posted on the Wabash website sums up my feelings of the Man you have raised BD84....
Magic! (click on the pic and enlarge and check out the ball of magic that appears on his hands as he is taking it into the endzone) priceless photo.... perfect for the office, den, man cave....... Wabash trophy case! Bravo!
WAF!
That's me standing on the sideline by the 10-yard-line marker with the green pants and camera.
I posted my photo of the play in
this Facebook gallery (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150395054133664.384994.792353663&type=1&l=e39d45c3aa) (you don't need a Facebook account to open the link). Enjoy! And congrats to the Wabash players and coaches!
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 14, 2011, 11:53:26 AM
I think they know the problem, they just need to follow through and make things right.
If this points toward the headset, I couldn't agree more. The single most embarrassing thing, from my perspective, was the absence of ANYTHING creative coming from the Depauw sidelines. You all just lined up and played ball as if the talk all week was that your best was good enough to win.
That's stubborn, man. That's stubborn and stupid. You put a great deal of responsibility on your green QB, you tried ONE miserable reverse-pass, you changed nothing, adapted zero, and
kicked to Chamblee. If you're kicking to #84, it better be a part of an entire
WE'RE GOING FOR BROKE identity. Not just because. Not just because, Depauw! Not just because!!! What, exactly, was the game plan? What was the identity? What were you guys
doing?
Here's the problem in the most basic language possible: The Tigers showed nothing on Saturday that Wabash hadn't prepared for. Nothing.
Are you kidding?! THAT's the advantage you had, Robby Long! You could be completely off-the-wall! You had NOTHING TO LOSE, remember? ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! Monon Bell, you idiots! Do something! Diverge from the 500 plays of 4-4 football that Wabash has
on tape, morons. Run option the whole game. Put in a bunch-receiver set. Go crazy and turn it into a circus of trick-plays. What, pray tell me,
was the risk? Embarrassment? HELLO. Welcome to the monday-after, losers.
So ****ing boring. So mediocre. So non-chalant. Guess what, Robby Long? No more showing up your team with that exasperated bowed head of yours. You know the one. It's the one where you throw your chin into your chest and mutter about how they're not doing what you told them. What you told them was stupid, Robby Long. What you told them was the problem. May they all collectively stand in today's team meeting, while you're talking, and sigh deeply toward their bellies.
I don't know what you guys do from here. You make
another head coaching change? I dunno. I'd feel good about that only if it was a part of a larger enthusiasm from the community-at-large to enhance the program at every level. The recruiting pitch now becomes about joining a program that's rebuilding to greatness. That's where you are. You've got to be dedicated to that. And THAT necessitates acknowledging the limitations of the current program. You guys didn't do that the several weeks we've been bickering on here. Time to own up, fellas. You're at risk of losing the war. No-one wants that. Not even me.
Fight back, sissies.
Right on 3
http://youtu.be/gBzJGckMYO4 (http://youtu.be/gBzJGckMYO4)
Alright, some game thoughts now. I still need to review the game that I have recorded at home, so I'm sure there's more I'll notice later. From my vantage point on Saturday...
- DePauw's offense was absolutely as advertised. That is not a compliment. I knew going in that that unit was deficient. What I wasn't quite prepared for was that they would take it a step further and be blatantly detrimental. Wabash didn't need to complete passes or make first downs because, frankly, it was going to be easier to sit back and let DPU's offense self destruct and make a catastrophic error. Whether it was completing passes to Wabash DBs, quarterback fumbling, or being forced to punt to Chamblee, something was always going to happen to hurt DePauw as long as they had the ball. I'm not saying all of this to pile on, I'm saying it because that's what I saw. That was as empty an offense as I've seen in a long time...and there have been some bad offenses that I've seen in league play over the years.
- Some credit was earned by the DPU defense. One year after getting postively trampled, I think that unit acquitted themselves pretty well on Saturday. With all of the turnovers and defensive scores and the punt return, it was kind of a quirky game for the Wabash offense to try and establish some rythym. Maybe they could have been better if they had those extra 4-5 posessions lost to the defense and special teams being greedy (not complaining), but honestly I'm not sure they would have been. Our pal Wes was on the money in here when he said that defense could hold it's own this year. It did just that.
- Some history was made on Saturday...more than some really. The 24 first quarter points was the most by any team in the first quarter in the series. Wabash's 92 points in the last two games is the most by one team in consecutive games in the history of the series. Wabash's 92-7 advantage in the last two games is the biggest two-game margin in the history of the series since Wabash won 47-0 and 41-0 in 1952 and 1953. All of these things are bad for DePauw. Maybe we could have called last year's result a one-off fluky kind of thing. But you just got historically undressed two years in a row. This isn't a fluke. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, and it means your program is way behind that of your rival.
I was extremely stoked when DePauw finally made their way to the NCAC. Trading Earlham for DePauw is a major, major improvement for the league and we need it in a bad way. Unfortunately, right now I feel like we aren't getting quite the upgrade I had expected. I expected DePauw to come in and immediately be a team that challenges for league championships...instead of one epic NCAC game every year, now we'll get three monster games that will determine a champion between Wabash, Witt, and DePauw. I've got to put that expectation on hold though, because DePauw, as currently constructed, can be competitive with the squishy Denison/Wooster/Allegheny center of the league, but will be getting their teeth kicked in by Wabash and Witt for a while, unless something changes quickly. Really need you guys to step your game up.
Well, it didn't rain and DPU didn't lose 47-0. That's about all the silver lining I can find. Wabash won this game in this 1st qtr and there was no competition. Well done, wallies.
There is a "list" of problems from Saturday's abortion, but two problems keep jogging through my head. 1) 92-7 is completely unacceptable. Losing consecutive Bells is common (3 in a row now) but 92-7 over the past 2 games is a loud statistic. Not only did DPU lose but they were absolutely destroyed. Clearly outmatched. Not even close. Big problem. 2) Bear and I watched our players as they walked to Blackstock (yes, it's still sacred despite the crime that just occured) and those guys are small. I have never seen a college football team with such undersized players. So WTF has happened to recruiting? Why are we asking golfers to play for the Tigers? Even worse, these guys did not look ready to eat a still-beating heart. They looked like they were walking to a final and just remembered they forgot to study. I say that falls on the coach.
Actually agree with bashdad for probably the first time ever. A coaching change isn't ideal but DPU must stop the bleeding. Get it over with b/c Long clearly can't handle this job.
I honestly, am not sure where to begin. For the first time, maybe EVER, we ALL agree. While blowouts in the Monon Bell Game do happen, and are enjoyable to either side that wins, they don't happen often. One of the several things that have made this rivalry so great is the fact that it's 56-53-9, DeBash....and that's as one sided as it's been for a long time. The competitiveness of the game is usually fantastic, but what we've seen the last 2 years is down right disgusting.
DePauw looked lost - and as Danny Boy said it - looked more like they were headed to a final than playing desperate, like it'd be the last time they'd ever put on a uniform. It's clear, today, that DePauw is overmatched - in most phases. But, coaching is where we're getting destroyed. Why do we have only 5 coaches on our entire staff?? DeBash has 9, which is much more accurate to what a good team needs. The last time I had 5 coaches on a staff, I was 9 playing Pop Warner.
92-7 is not just a number. It's reality - and I truly believe that people are taking notice, not just on DeBash's campus. IF in fact, DePauw feels the need to make another change, I want them to find someone similar with Raeburn's credentials. Big time success at a program like Mt. Union, committed to turning another school into the next big thing at the D III LEVEL!! I used to believe that our coach needed DePauw ties, and with Walker we had that. But, I'm ready to take a swing somewhere else if that's what it takes to getting this thing back to where it should be. 21-17, 27-24, etc. We can all agree on that.
We should check to be certain, but the DePauw football site shows eight faces on the coaching staff. How many of those are "full time" is a question to be answered. I know that of the nine Wabash coaches only four are "full time" employees in the Athletic Department: Raeburn, Hammer, Hoeg, and Rogers. The others include three intern assistant coaches, who are hired on short-term appointments and who devote a significant portion their time to football (don't know what fraction) during the academic year, and two others: one who works elsewhere at the college, and another who is part time for the season only. All full-time Wabash coaches (football and in other sports) also have other assignments--intramurals, wellness, etc., which they are expected to take seriously. Many DIII programs follow the Wabash model. I do not know if DePauw's staff is arranged in a similar manner.
"DeBash"? Really. Game's over boys. Never really found that much of a put down or a derogatory name. Not very funny either, but hey, whatever.
The two most important games Wabash has played in the last decade were the losses in 2002 and 2007 to the "purple powers" as pat likes to call them. The hiring of Raeburn was an unmistakeable signal that Wabash wants to contend for a national championship. (I got the feeling during that search that Wabash would have hired Kehres's groundskeeper if they thought it would help). Actually playing the purple powers deep in the playoffs allowed the administration to see how far the program needed to improve to at least get to a level where they'd have a shot, without sacrificing academic integrity. Hiring a UMU favorite son, major athletic facilities upgrades(during a recession!), even serving as the training base for USA Football are all clear signs that Wabash has been in upgrade mode.
That being said. I'm confident that DePauw will adjust and we will have competitive bell games soon enough. When Wabash and DePauw left the ICAC/HCAC, both quickly realized that their new conferences were a class above. DePauw knew it had to learn how to beat Trinity. Wabash had to figure out Wittenberg. DePauw has too proud a football tradition to not be competitive within the conference and with Wabash. Somebody in Greencastle needs to figure out quick if Long is the coach that can do that.
I left out one detail, and maybe an important one. Wabash does not teach physical education classes, or whatever is the designation for those classes used at other schools. Wabash does not offer a major or minor in any physical-education-related area. I seem to recall that at least some of the DePauw coaches also teach, and that, of course, takes energy and time. Occasionally, a Wabash full-time coach will "teach" an independent "coaching" study in his area--football, basketball, wrestling, etc. if there is student interest These independent studies do not count as credit toward graduation for the students who enroll in them. One conclusion here is that both the Wabash and DePauw coaches probably do not devote 100% of their time to football, though, of course, it is naive to think that football (and other) coaches are not primarily devoted to their sport both emotionally and in terms of how they spend their time.
Quote from: wabndy on November 14, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
"DeBash"? Really. Game's over boys. Never really found that much of a put down or a derogatory name. Not very funny either, but hey, whatever.
The game might be over, and yes we know that Dabash won.
The fact of the matter is we will always hate Dabash.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 15, 2011, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: wabndy on November 14, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
"DeBash"? Really. Game's over boys. Never really found that much of a put down or a derogatory name. Not very funny either, but hey, whatever.
The game might be over, and yes we know that Dabash won.
The fact of the matter is we will always hate Dabash.
How did it feel, Bear? How did it feel to sit there for the second year in a row and watch Wabash stomp a mudhole in that cold, lifeless thing you call DePauw football? How did it feel to watch your boys get embarrassed on a national stage for another four quarters? And because, as of right now, there is no good reason to believe otherwise (anything can happen..derp!), how's it going to feel when Wabash kicks your teeth in again next year?
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 15, 2011, 06:05:48 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 15, 2011, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: wabndy on November 14, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
"DeBash"? Really. Game's over boys. Never really found that much of a put down or a derogatory name. Not very funny either, but hey, whatever.
The game might be over, and yes we know that Dabash won.
The fact of the matter is we will always hate Dabash.
How did it feel, Bear? How did it feel to sit there for the second year in a row and watch Wabash stomp a mudhole in that cold, lifeless thing you call DePauw football? How did it feel to watch your boys get embarrassed on a national stage for another four quarters? And because, as of right now, there is no good reason to believe otherwise (anything can happen..derp!), how's it going to feel when Wabash kicks your teeth in again next year?
It sucked. I felt bad for the players, their families, the team, and the University. Like anyone else on the Depauw sideline and watching across the nation, I feel there is a lot that needs to be done to fix what is broken.
But at the same time, Dewally-Dabash, I won my four bells. I never lost to you low-lifes. I can keep my head up knowing that no matter how bad the current Depauw team gets beat, the guys I played with never lost to you boyzzz. Can you say the same?
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 16, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
But at the same time, Dewally-Dabash, I won my four bells. I never lost to you low-lifes. I can keep my head up knowing that no matter how bad the current Depauw team gets beat, the guys I played with never lost to you boyzzz. Can you say the same?
So it's all about you and what you did? 118 years of this game and the only thing you really care about is you. Good to know. I'm glad we're finally getting to the bottom of what you're all about. You don't get what this rivalry is about. Not even close.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 16, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
But at the same time, Dewally-Dabash, I won my four bells. I never lost to you low-lifes. I can keep my head up knowing that no matter how bad the current Depauw team gets beat, the guys I played with never lost to you boyzzz. Can you say the same?
So it's all about you and what you did? 118 years of this game and the only thing you really care about is you. Good to know. I'm glad we're finally getting to the bottom of what you're all about. You don't get what this rivalry is about. Not even close.
Daewally-Dedouche,
I answered your question Dawaly, what else do you want? The loss sucked. It hurt to watch. It hurt to be a present for the whole experience. But at the same time, unless they give me a call and want me to play, or I suddenly become a Depauw coach, there is little I can do to impact the game. I do my best to support the program as an alum living over a 1000 miles away.
I won 4 Bells, dude. I was a member of a football team for 4 years that did everything to make sure Debash never won. I now travel across the country every year, and live in an RV for this game. I light up the D3 boards for months about this game. I have never missed a Monon Bell Game since I was a freshman. I don't own any Pink or red clothing. I think I know what this rivalry is all about. Not knowing you, you are probably one of those Technical School of Coy Pond Maintenance grads who lives in Indy and makes the game "when you can".
What else do you want? You want me to break down the game and provide my own opinions as to what went wrong? You want lists? Do you want me to tell you were are undersized, undercoached, and killed ourselves with turnovers?
I do know that when you ask how it is going to feel when "Dedash kicks your teeth in again next year" I can honestly say, I don't know because I never lost. I can just say it sucks to be the team who lost, and that I feel for that team as a fan, but I can't ever know how it feels to have lost to the caveboyzzz.
And yes, I won 4 Bells.
http://youtu.be/ZUeuZxjCOJs
BOOM!!!
And yet all you can do is sit there and call us names. That's all you can do because for some reason something in your juvenile mentals you honestly believe that that garbage is "part of the rivalry." You just don't get it and you just keep embarrassing yourself. The things that sustain this rivalry are competitiveness and RESPECT. Back in the late 90s, which is obviously when you were around, we lost track of those things (especially the respect) and it almost cost us all the game. 10-12 years removed from being a college kid maybe it's time to grow up, hold yourself to a higher standard, and start showing the rivalry some respect. The conversation that we can have here about our game can be so much better than it was...but not without some respect.
This game did almost end because of the crap that went on. I'm so happy that it didn't.
There is mutual respect. Heck, we had fun with the Dannies at our party in South Florida. Bear, it's a rivalry, and a heated one, but that doesn't mean we can't come together for some good times and break bread and share stories.
Breckenridgebear,
As a neutral outsider, might I suggest that you might start coming off a bit better if you change "I won 4 Bells" to "We won 4 Bells." Just sayin'. 8-)
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 16, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
... Not knowing you, you are probably one of those Technical School of Coy Pond Maintenance grads who lives in Indy and makes the game "when you can".
"Coy" ponds? ;)
Quote from: Ryan Tipps on November 16, 2011, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 16, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
... Not knowing you, you are probably one of those Technical School of Coy Pond Maintenance grads who lives in Indy and makes the game "when you can".
"Coy" ponds? ;)
Doug Coy ponds?
Congrats, Bear. You will always have those four games. And I am not being condescending. Alas, the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome. Fact is DePauw has to find a way to rebuild. By the way, and this from a huge Wabash fan: I sat in Blackstock last Saturday after the first quarter and thought how nice it was to have the game in hand, and how boring, knowing that the Tigers had no gas in the tank and the only unkown was going to be the final score and who the Little Giiants would draw for the playoffs. I even tried to convince myself that it was because DPU lost its best QB's. But, no, there's more than that. And, you know, I don't care much for the word hate when it is applied to rivalries, even intense rivalries. It's a powerful and dangerous verb. I concede, however, that some few need the word if only to attempt to demean. I really hope it's used to stimulate the conversation. Doubtful. If not, I feel sorry about those who think a game and school rivalry can be diminished to that word. Choose your own vocabulary though; it's a free country and all that. There's always next year!
Quote from: sigma one on November 16, 2011, 05:32:33 PM
Congrats, Bear. You will always have those four games. And I am not being condescending. Alas, the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome. Fact is DePauw has to find a way to rebuild. By the way, and this from a huge Wabash fan: I sat in Blackstock last Saturday after the first quarter and thought how nice it was to have the game in hand, and how boring, knowing that the Tigers had no gas in the tank and the only unkown was going to be the final score and who the Little Giiants would draw for the playoffs. I even tried to convince myself that it was because DPU lost its best QB's. But, no, there's more than that. And, you know, I don't care much for the word hate when it is applied to rivalries, even intense rivalries. It's a powerful and dangerous verb. I concede, however, that some few need the word if only to attempt to demean. I really hope it's used to stimulate the conversation. Doubtful. If not, I feel sorry about those who think a game and school rivalry can be diminished to that word. Choose your own vocabulary though; it's a free country and all that. There's always next year!
With that, I heartily suggest that we throw dirt on this one. Onward and upward and back to the NCAC boards. I can wait 8 or 9 months before the Bear comes out of hibernation and opens up the 119th Monon Bell Classic and off we go again in anticipation of a 4-peat.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2011, 02:31:29 PM
And yet all you can do is sit there and call us names. That's all you can do because for some reason something in your juvenile mentals you honestly believe that that garbage is "part of the rivalry." You just don't get it and you just keep embarrassing yourself. The things that sustain this rivalry are competitiveness and RESPECT. Back in the late 90s, which is obviously when you were around, we lost track of those things (especially the respect) and it almost cost us all the game. 10-12 years removed from being a college kid maybe it's time to grow up, hold yourself to a higher standard, and start showing the rivalry some respect. The conversation that we can have here about our game can be so much better than it was...but not without some respect.
Dewally. Look back at the boards. Read the posts from your boyzz of Debash. Is "competitiveness and RESPECT" calling me a pedophile? How about threats of violence? Read my post at 502. A corresponding post on the NCAC thread says, if "Breck dares show at your tailgate ... lay one on him for me. I will gather the resources and lawyers to take care of the aftermath." I offered to attend any Debash tailgate and talk to anyone who wanted to meet me. No offers, just threats.
Quote from: smedindy on November 16, 2011, 04:27:17 PM
This game did almost end because of the crap that went on. I'm so happy that it didn't.
There is mutual respect. Heck, we had fun with the Dannies at our party in South Florida. Bear, it's a rivalry, and a heated one, but that doesn't mean we can't come together for some good times and break bread and share stories.
See above, smedindy.
I also had a few debash boyzz at my tailgate this past weekend. Two current students who are great guys. They had no problem coming by, having a beer, and talking the same crap you read on this board. More than can be said about all these posters who have been "showing the rivalry some respect".
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2011, 04:31:54 PM
Breckenridgebear,
As a neutral outsider, might I suggest that you might start coming off a bit better if you change "I won 4 Bells" to "We won 4 Bells." Just sayin'. 8-)
Thanks Mr. Ypsi. My team won four bells. I was a member of the team, so technically speaking I was a member of four Monon Bell winning teams.
Quote from: Silence.Dogood on November 16, 2011, 06:26:55 PM
With that, I heartily suggest that we throw dirt on this one. Onward and upward and back to the NCAC boards. I can wait 8 or 9 months before the Bear comes out of hibernation and opens up the 119th Monon Bell Classic and off we go again in anticipation of a 4-peat.
Don't worry, I will be around for awhile.
I don't paint all Dannies with a broad bush, respect means the same. One idiot doesn't mean we all don't show DPU respect.
Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 16, 2011, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2011, 02:31:29 PM
And yet all you can do is sit there and call us names. That's all you can do because for some reason something in your juvenile mentals you honestly believe that that garbage is "part of the rivalry." You just don't get it and you just keep embarrassing yourself. The things that sustain this rivalry are competitiveness and RESPECT. Back in the late 90s, which is obviously when you were around, we lost track of those things (especially the respect) and it almost cost us all the game. 10-12 years removed from being a college kid maybe it's time to grow up, hold yourself to a higher standard, and start showing the rivalry some respect. The conversation that we can have here about our game can be so much better than it was...but not without some respect.
Dewally. Look back at the boards. Read the posts from your boyzz of Debash. Is "competitiveness and RESPECT" calling me a pedophile? How about threats of violence? Read my post at 502. A corresponding post on the NCAC thread says, if "Breck dares show at your tailgate ... lay one on him for me. I will gather the resources and lawyers to take care of the aftermath." I offered to attend any Debash tailgate and talk to anyone who wanted to meet me. No offers, just threats.
I don't condone any of that. But here's the thing...you'll notice that nobody else got singled out. Just you. If you're not in this forum for 10 weeks before the game provoking and offending, that stuff never ever happens. It's exactly that kind of who-can-lgo-lower one-upsmanship that helps lead the rivalry into the places it went in the late 90s and we don't ever need to go back there. Again, I'm not condoning some of those posts, but I can understand where they came from. You can only offend people over and over and over before somebody somewhere is going to get pissed off to the point where, right or wrong, they say something back. You brought it on yourself, dude.
My suggestion to you, and I say in this in all seriousness....next year, get yourself out here a day or two earlier. I'm sure you can get the extra day if you ask daddy nicely. Get out here a couple of days earlier, get out of your RV, stop pounding Natty Lights with your boys for one night, put on a coat and tie and go to the Monon Stag in Indy. Sit there and listen to the presidents speak and roast, listen to the Spirit of the Monon Award presenters and recipients speak and roast. Listen and learn how this rivalry, and the back and forth ribbing that goes along with it, doesn't have to be so hateful and offensive and lowbrow. There's a mutual respect in that room and it's that mutual respect that will sustain the rivalry for decades to come.
Check out the first half of this article from The Paper of Montgomery County...
http://www.journalreview.com/sports/article_9401ac4a-10d5-11e1-b729-001cc4c002e0.html