Looks like we're the last region to get one of these started up. So, I'll be happy to organize one if we can get at least 10 reliable voters. We can use D3football.com's West Region (http://www.d3football.com/teams/west) team list as eligible teams to consider. I'm hoping to get two or three people from each conference to participate, if possible. With no more than one representative/fan from each school.....just to have a fair and unbiased poll as possible. Since we're halfway through this season already, I will probably won't start until the 2015 season.
This could be fun, considering (as we all know) the West is where the power conferences in DIII reside :P ;)
So if you're fan of a West region team (MIAC, WIAC, MWC, IIAC, SCIAC, UMAC, or NWC) and interested in doing this next year, you can send me a message or sign up here:
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
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Please, one person per school (sorry UWW fans) :-\ .
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
Looks like we're the last region to get one of these started up. So, I'll be happy to organize one if we can get at least 10 reliable voters. We can use D3football.com's West Region (http://www.d3football.com/teams/west) team list as eligible teams to consider. I'm hoping to get one or two people from each conference to participate, if possible. With no more than one representative/fan from each school.....just to have a fair and unbiased poll as possible. Since we're halfway through this season already, I will probably won't start until the 2015 season.
So if you're fan of a West region team (MAIC, WIAC, MWC, IIAC, SCIAC, UMAC, or NWC) and interested in doing this next year, you can send me a message or sign up here:
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
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Please, one person per school (sorry UWW fans) :-\ .
I don't think you need 10 voters. Most of the other fan polls seem to work fine with 5-8.
I just said 10 in hoping to get one or two voices from each conference....but that might be difficult. I'll see who's interested and go from there.
I'm game.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
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Please, one person per school (sorry UWW fans) :-\ .
What if I'm unwilling to rank teams from two of those seven conferences in the West's top 10? :-X
If you need me without weighting to poll too far to UWW's side, I'm game.
Quote from: d-train on October 28, 2014, 05:16:33 PM
What if I'm unwilling to rank teams from two of those seven conferences in the West's top 10? :-X
We can use a few pollsters from the left coast.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
Looks like we're the last region to get one of these started up. So, I'll be happy to organize one if we can get at least 10 reliable voters. We can use D3football.com's West Region (http://www.d3football.com/teams/west) team list as eligible teams to consider. I'm hoping to get two or three people from each conference to participate, if possible. With no more than one representative/fan from each school.....just to have a fair and unbiased poll as possible. Since we're halfway through this season already, I will probably won't start until the 2015 season.
Please, one person per school (sorry UWW fans) :-\ .
Quote from: MasterJedi on October 28, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
If you need me without weighting to poll too far to UWW's side, I'm game.
02, I think you should allow MasterJedi to be the one, WW pollster, not yourself. I know it is through you that this action might come to fruition, but you've taken a rather unilateral and undemocratic approach to selecting yourself without anybody else having an opportunity to put their hat in the ring. MJ has indicated his willingness to be part of this endeavor, so why don't you step aside by become the poll administrator and yield your self-appointed position to MasterJedi or anyone else who might be interested? Plus, you're already part of the national Top 25 Fan poll - how 'bout sharing the wealth a little? All in favor say I...
I don't see anything wrong with two UWW voters. NRFP has a few Wabashians and it works out OK.
Besides, I don't think UWW bias will be that much of a deal. Everyone kinda knows where UWW goes in the poll :)
I know 02 Warhawks is trying to be as balanced as possible, but given the choice between no WRFP at all vs. a poll with a couple UWW voters, I'll take the poll with a little extra purple in it.
Plus, UWW diehards probably have a good feel for many of the other West conferences because of the multiple deep playoff runs.
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
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Yeah, I'm ok with it as well. I'd just like to see a poll.
And like ExTartan said, I think we've all got a pretty good idea where to slot UWW right now!
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
Yeah, I'm ok with it as well. I'd just like to see a poll.
And like ExTartan said, I think we've all got a pretty good idea where to slot UWW right now!
I may allow one more WIAC fan to enter....I just don't want it to me WIAC heavy. Hopefully some fans from the NWC and SCIAC would be interested in joining. As well as some from the other conferences.
We have plenty of time though.
02 you need to post something on the other West Region forums and let them know what you're doing and that you're looking for their participation.
I'd be willing to be involved but you've already got two WIAC people.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 29, 2014, 09:27:58 AM
02 you need to post something on the other West Region forums and let them know what you're doing and that you're looking for their participation.
I'd be willing to be involved but you've already got two WIAC people.
I probably will advertise it more early before next season. Yea, I'm trying to get a wide variety of voters....not all fans from the same team or conference.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 09:31:21 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 29, 2014, 09:27:58 AM
02 you need to post something on the other West Region forums and let them know what you're doing and that you're looking for their participation.
I'd be willing to be involved but you've already got two WIAC people.
I probably will advertise it more early before next season. Yea, I'm trying to get a wide variety of voters....not all fans from the same team or conference.
That makes sense and would undoubtedly make the poll better. Of course you know me and how totally unbiased I can be. ;D
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 29, 2014, 07:46:53 AM
I don't see anything wrong with two UWW voters. NRFP has a few Wabashians and it works out OK.
Besides, I don't think UWW bias will be that much of a deal. Everyone kinda knows where UWW goes in the poll :)
I know 02 Warhawks is trying to be as balanced as possible, but given the choice between no WRFP at all vs. a poll with a couple UWW voters, I'll take the poll with a little extra purple in it.
Plus, UWW diehards probably have a good feel for many of the other West conferences because of the multiple deep playoff runs.
What I've noticed in other polls is that bias tends more toward confences rather than teams. I think that if a WIAC poster truly thought that Linfield or one of the MIAC teams was better than Whitewater he would vote that way, but it's very unlikely that even the best team in the UMAC or MWC would be rated higher than all but the bottom teams in the power conferences. That's the bias you'd have to account for, in my opinion.
I should note that this applies to me, too. I'm not putting St. Scholastica or Carroll in my Top 25 fan poll unless they get to at least the second round of the playoffs.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 08:07:09 AM
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
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You can throw my hat into the ring as well. (82 Bethel Alumni)
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
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I think we're good on Bethel and UWW voters. :) Depending on who else joins, there might be room for one more non-UWW WIAC voter, and one more non-Bethel MIAC voter.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5.Bleedpurple (Wartburg-IIAC ;) )
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I think we're good on Bethel and UWW voters. :) Depending on who else joins, there might be room for one more non-UWW WIAC voter, and one more non-Bethel MIAC voter.
If you get someone from the NWC and SCIAC and got up to 5 people you could do the rest of this year. I do the South Region. It's a lot of fun, not a ton of work, and helps with my pick-ems. We only have 4 or 5 people submitting votes and it's enough.
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 29, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 29, 2014, 07:46:53 AM
I don't see anything wrong with two UWW voters. NRFP has a few Wabashians and it works out OK.
Besides, I don't think UWW bias will be that much of a deal. Everyone kinda knows where UWW goes in the poll :)
I know 02 Warhawks is trying to be as balanced as possible, but given the choice between no WRFP at all vs. a poll with a couple UWW voters, I'll take the poll with a little extra purple in it.
Plus, UWW diehards probably have a good feel for many of the other West conferences because of the multiple deep playoff runs.
What I've noticed in other polls is that bias tends more toward confences rather than teams. I think that if a WIAC poster truly thought that Linfield or one of the MIAC teams was better than Whitewater he would vote that way, but it's very unlikely that even the best team in the UMAC or MWC would be rated higher than all but the bottom teams in the power conferences. That's the bias you'd have to account for, in my opinion.
I should note that this applies to me, too. I'm not putting St. Scholastica or Carroll in my Top 25 fan poll unless they get to at least the second round of the playoffs.
On a more serious note than my previous post...
I agree with this generally, but not quite as firm as you put it. I would be open (although, I would admit I'm not sure how I would identify it) to keeping my eyes open for a "special" team from those weaker conferences. Maybe the presence of a stud player? Not sure. But I think it would be important to try to keep your mind open to the possibilities. "Show me" works for me when putting teams into the "next level" within the Top 25. However, it would be tough for even most of the Top 25 teams if the only way they could "Show me" is to win a first round playoff game against UW-W/Linfield/MIAC Champ.
Quote from: jknezek on October 29, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
If you get someone from the NWC and SCIAC and got up to 5 people you could do the rest of this year. I do the South Region. It's a lot of fun, not a ton of work, and helps with my pick-ems. We only have 4 or 5 people submitting votes and it's enough.
Yea, once we get enough voters, I thought about finishing the season with a West poll...if the current volunteers are willing.
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 29, 2014, 01:34:31 PM
On a more serious note than my previous post...
I agree with this generally, but not quite as firm as you put it. I would be open (although, I would admit I'm not sure how I would identify it) to keeping my eyes open for a "special" team from those weaker conferences. Maybe the presence of a stud player? Not sure. But I think it would be important to try to keep your mind open to the possibilities. "Show me" works for me when putting teams into the "next level" within the Top 25. However, it would be tough for even most of the Top 25 teams if the only way they could "Show me" is to win a first round playoff game against UW-W/Linfield/MIAC Champ.
Well played, bleed
purpleorange
Quote from: jknezek on October 29, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
If you get someone from the NWC and SCIAC and got up to 5 people you could do the rest of this year. I do the South Region. It's a lot of fun, not a ton of work, and helps with my pick-ems. We only have 4 or 5 people submitting votes and it's enough.
I am surprised there is no one from the NWC, they have a good amount of supporters on the boards.
Nice...I see hazzben hazzben getting the word out trying recruit in the West threads.
+K
(see what I did there?) ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 29, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
If you get someone from the NWC and SCIAC and got up to 5 people you could do the rest of this year. I do the South Region. It's a lot of fun, not a ton of work, and helps with my pick-ems. We only have 4 or 5 people submitting votes and it's enough.
Yea, once we get enough voters, I thought about finishing the season with a West poll...if the current volunteers are willing.
I'm in if you need someone from the SCIAC for this season..
Quote from: Jack Parkman on October 29, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 29, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
If you get someone from the NWC and SCIAC and got up to 5 people you could do the rest of this year. I do the South Region. It's a lot of fun, not a ton of work, and helps with my pick-ems. We only have 4 or 5 people submitting votes and it's enough.
Yea, once we get enough voters, I thought about finishing the season with a West poll...if the current volunteers are willing.
I'm in if you need someone from the SCIAC for this season..
Sure do....who's your team in the SCIAC?
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on October 29, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 29, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
If you get someone from the NWC and SCIAC and got up to 5 people you could do the rest of this year. I do the South Region. It's a lot of fun, not a ton of work, and helps with my pick-ems. We only have 4 or 5 people submitting votes and it's enough.
Yea, once we get enough voters, I thought about finishing the season with a West poll...if the current volunteers are willing.
I'm in if you need someone from the SCIAC for this season..
Sure do....who's your team in the SCIAC?
I'm a Cal Lu athletic supporter....pun intended.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
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We might have a Linfield rep joining soon too. So far so good.
Not me. I do not want any more polls with Whitewater at the top. That's where I'd put 'em.
Jack Parkman good.
Nominate MonroviaCat.
WC11 obvious but perhaps too busy.
Nominate (509)rat.
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 29, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5.Bleedpurple (Wartburg-IIAC ;) )
6.badgerwarhawk (totally unbiased)
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I think we're good on Bethel and UWW voters. :) Depending on who else joins, there might be room for one more non-UWW WIAC voter, and one more non-Bethel MIAC voter.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 29, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5.Bleedpurple (Wartburg-IIAC ;) )
6.badgerwarhawk (totally unbiased)
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10.
I think we're good on Bethel and UWW voters. :) Depending on who else joins, there might be room for one more non-UWW WIAC voter, and one more non-Bethel MIAC voter.
You can add me for next year...I would be UMAC as my son is the OC at Greenville College...He played for Wabash and won 4 Conference Championship rings while there with 3 years in the National playoffs...losing to Whitewater in 07 in the snowstorm was the closest we came...
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on October 30, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 29, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5.Bleedpurple (Wartburg-IIAC ;) )
6.badgerwarhawk (totally unbiased)
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8.
9.
10.
I think we're good on Bethel and UWW voters. :) Depending on who else joins, there might be room for one more non-UWW WIAC voter, and one more non-Bethel MIAC voter.
You can add me for next year...I would be UMAC as my son is the OC at Greenville College...He played for Wabash and won 4 Conference Championship rings while there with 3 years in the National playoffs...losing to Whitewater in 07 in the snowstorm was the closest we came...
In also had a son play at Bethel...Johnson is an awesome coach
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on October 30, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
He played for Wabash and won 4 Conference Championship rings while there with 3 years in the National playoffs...
Does he really have 4 rings, or are you just using that as a term?
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on October 30, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 30, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 29, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
Alrighty...if there are no objections MasterJedi is in.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5.Bleedpurple (Wartburg-IIAC ;) )
6.badgerwarhawk (totally unbiased)
7.
8.
9.
10.
I think we're good on Bethel and UWW voters. :) Depending on who else joins, there might be room for one more non-UWW WIAC voter, and one more non-Bethel MIAC voter.
You can add me for next year...I would be UMAC as my son is the OC at Greenville College...He played for Wabash and won 4 Conference Championship rings while there with 3 years in the National playoffs...losing to Whitewater in 07 in the snowstorm was the closest we came...
Count yourself in. I was at the snowstorm game....it was a lot of fun.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
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10.
This is coming together nicely
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 29, 2014, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: HSCTiger74 on October 29, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 29, 2014, 07:46:53 AM
I don't see anything wrong with two UWW voters. NRFP has a few Wabashians and it works out OK.
Besides, I don't think UWW bias will be that much of a deal. Everyone kinda knows where UWW goes in the poll :)
I know 02 Warhawks is trying to be as balanced as possible, but given the choice between no WRFP at all vs. a poll with a couple UWW voters, I'll take the poll with a little extra purple in it.
Plus, UWW diehards probably have a good feel for many of the other West conferences because of the multiple deep playoff runs.
What I've noticed in other polls is that bias tends more toward confences rather than teams. I think that if a WIAC poster truly thought that Linfield or one of the MIAC teams was better than Whitewater he would vote that way, but it's very unlikely that even the best team in the UMAC or MWC would be rated higher than all but the bottom teams in the power conferences. That's the bias you'd have to account for, in my opinion.
I should note that this applies to me, too. I'm not putting St. Scholastica or Carroll in my Top 25 fan poll unless they get to at least the second round of the playoffs.
On a more serious note than my previous post...
I agree with this generally, but not quite as firm as you put it. I would be open (although, I would admit I'm not sure how I would identify it) to keeping my eyes open for a "special" team from those weaker conferences. Maybe the presence of a stud player? Not sure. But I think it would be important to try to keep your mind open to the possibilities. "Show me" works for me when putting teams into the "next level" within the Top 25. However, it would be tough for even most of the Top 25 teams if the only way they could "Show me" is to win a first round playoff game against UW-W/Linfield/MIAC Champ.
Yeah, in re-reading my post I guess it did come across as more dogmatic than I intended. And I have to admit that St. Scholastica, at least, has been beating the teams they were supposed to by fairly comfortable margins, so maybe I'll be a little more flexible.
In a West Region top 10, though, they would still have a tough row to hoe. It's hard for me to see which team to bump in their favor.
02 - check back with me early next fall. I've put most of these polls and pick-em's aside for my work schedule...but I might have time. I'm a PLU, NWC guy.
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
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10.
*If he's up for it next season
Soooo we definitely need one IIAC and one MWC poster then...
02 Warhawk,
I'd be willing to join your fan poll. I know that I am new to the message boards, but have been an on and off follower since my playing days...99' - 02'.
If you are interested in adding someone from the MWC who played in the MIAC and has been a long time fan of the MIAC, WIAC...and now MWC??
TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on October 31, 2014, 09:46:48 AM
02 Warhawk,
I'd be willing to join your fan poll. I know that I am new to the message boards, but have been an on and off follower since my playing days...99' - 02'.
If you are interested in adding someone from the MWC who played in the MIAC and has been a long time fan of the MIAC, WIAC...and now MWC??
TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
Well, look who returned from the dead!
Anybody who used to write the Around the West column is probably qualified to vote in our prestigious fan poll.
Actually, you're probably making a reference to "OneArmedScot"?
This is his better looking, more athletic, much less quick triggered and more reasonable (At Times) good friend and former teammate.
OneArmedScot is probably two busy with his job, wife-n-kid and overall clean livin life.
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on October 31, 2014, 10:22:20 AM
Actually, you're probably making a reference to "OneArmedScot"?
This is his better looking, more athletic, much less quick triggered and more reasonable (At Times) good friend and former teammate.
OneArmedScot is probably two busy with his job, wife-n-kid and overall clean livin life.
I was. I assumed you/he lost his login and had to get a new/similar moniker.
But hey, a friend of OAS is good enough for me. Though being better looking and more athletic than OAS isn't saying much ;) ;D
VERY TRUE!
;D
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10.
Looks like there's a bit of a shake up in the west today. I'll send all the west voters a PM tomorrow, this might be a fun week to start ranking.
thanks a lot 02... :o
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 31, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10.
I sent everyone above a personal message about doing a poll this week. So please check your messages and get me you polls by Tuesday.
Thanks!
Quote from: MasterJedi on October 30, 2014, 08:28:51 PM
Soooo we definitely need one IIAC and one MWC poster then...
Thought we'd have a taker from the IIAC, but it has been pretty slow on the board most of the season. I have a pretty hectic fall schedule, but could put me in the d-train status. Obviously I am a Wartburg follower.
I don't know what to do for #8-10
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2014, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 31, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10.
I sent everyone above a personal message about doing a poll this week. So please check your messages and get me you polls by Tuesday.
Thanks!
O2,
Do you want us to simply post our top ten here or send them to you privately and then you will post the compilation only?
Quote from: art76 on November 02, 2014, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2014, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 31, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10.
I sent everyone above a personal message about doing a poll this week. So please check your messages and get me you polls by Tuesday.
Thanks!
O2,
Do you want us to simply post our top ten here or send them to you privately and then you will post the compilation only?
Send then to me...then I'll leave it up to everyone if they wish to share their picks publicly on the boards.
Have 7 of 9 ballots so far. Hopefully I can get the last two tomorrow :)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2014, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: art76 on November 02, 2014, 06:24:49 PM
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1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10.
I sent everyone above a personal message about doing a poll this week. So please check your messages and get me you polls by Tuesday.
Thanks!
O2,
Do you want us to simply post our top ten here or send them to you privately and then you will post the compilation only?
Send then to me...then I'll leave it up to everyone if they wish to share their picks publicly on the boards.
Might I suggest you do what other fan polls do and post the list, but then show the rankings next to them? Still a secret ballot but you'd see the high and the low each team was ranked.
Quote from: wartknight on November 02, 2014, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: MasterJedi on October 30, 2014, 08:28:51 PM
Soooo we definitely need one IIAC and one MWC poster then...
Thought we'd have a taker from the IIAC, but it has been pretty slow on the board most of the season. I have a pretty hectic fall schedule, but could put me in the d-train status. Obviously I am a Wartburg follower.
Sure thing, you're in. Thanks!
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10. wartknight (Wartburg - IIAC)
Awesome..I think each conference is represented now!
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2014, 04:59:10 PM
Have 7 of 9 ballots so far. Hopefully I can get the last two tomorrow :)
Working on mine now...will send it when I finish.
Quote from: MasterJedi on November 03, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2014, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: art76 on November 02, 2014, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2014, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 31, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
1. 02 Warhawk (UWW - WIAC)
2. Hazzben (Bethel - MIAC)
3. MasterJedi (UWW - WIAC)
4. art76 (Bethel - MIAC)
5. Jack Parkman (Cal Luth. - SCIAC)
6. DadofBashWarrior.. (Greenville - UMAC)
7. desertcat1 (Linfield - NWC)
8. d-train (PLU - NWC)*
9. TwoArmedScot (Macalester - MWC)
10.
I sent everyone above a personal message about doing a poll this week. So please check your messages and get me you polls by Tuesday.
Thanks!
O2,
Do you want us to simply post our top ten here or send them to you privately and then you will post the compilation only?
Send then to me...then I'll leave it up to everyone if they wish to share their picks publicly on the boards.
Might I suggest you do what other fan polls do and post the list, but then show the rankings next to them? Still a secret ballot but you'd see the high and the low each team was ranked.
Yea, I was planning on doing that.
Setting the bar for the actual Regional Rankings that come out today, here's what the fan's of the West think:
Rank Team Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100
2) Wartburg 89
3) Bethel 75
4) Linfield 71
5) UW-Platteville 56
6) St. John's 54
7) St. Thomas 30
8) Chapman 27
9) UW-Oshkosh 19
10) Concordia-Moorhead 15
RV: UW-Stevens Point (8), Willamette (5), St. Scholastica (1)
Voters: 02 Warhawk, hazzben, MasterJedi, art76, Jack Parkman, DadofBashWarrior.., desercat1, d-train, TwoArmedScott, and wartnight
The itemized results of where each team was ranked will come out later today.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Wartburg 89 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) Bethel 75 (3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6)
4) Linfield 71 (2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) UW-Platteville 56 (3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8)
6) St. John's 54 (4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) St. Thomas 30 (6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, -)
8) Chapman 27 (6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10)
9) UW-Oshkosh 19 (6, 7, 7, 8, 9, 10, -, -, -, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 15 (8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 8 (8, 8, 10, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Willamette 5 (8, 10, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Scholastica 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Seems like everyone has a different opinion on where UWP should be ranked. They were all over the board.
Before anyone says anything about being biased....the two WIAC pollsters didn't rank UWP 3rd or 4th. ;D
I'll leave it up to the 10 voters if they want to post their results.
Good Job 02, good to see how fans in the West view their teams. Looking to read and partake in discussions that will help with my national vote.
Here's my poll:
1. UWW .513 8-0
2. Wartburg .585 8-0
3. Bethel .607 7-1
4. SJU .513 7-1
5. Linfield .560 6-1
6. Chapman .517 6-1
7. UWP .545 6-2
8. UST .524 6-2
9. UWO .533 4-1
10. UWSP .544 6-2
SJU over linfield on the strength of their loss and the fact it happened with their 3rd string qb starting. I went back and forth on UWSP and Concordia...
I think we'll find out a lot about Chapman this weekend.
I just couldn't pull the trigger on Willammette, given the nature of their two losses. Not when other teams have lost closer games to better competition.
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Here's my poll:
1. UWW .513 8-0
2. Wartburg .585 8-0
3. Bethel .607 7-1
4. SJU .513 7-1
5. Linfield .560 6-1
6. Chapman .517 6-1
7. UWP .545 6-2
8. UST .524 6-2
9. UWO .533 4-1
10. UWSP .544 6-2
SJU over linfield on the strength of their loss and the fact it happened with their 3rd string qb starting. I went back and forth on UWSP and Concordia...
I think we'll find out a lot about Chapman this weekend.
I just couldn't pull the trigger on Willammette, given the nature of their two losses. Not when other teams have lost closer games to better competition.
On the flip side Willamette probably has the best win out of the group (with the exception of maybe wartburg)...and they did it in the catdome :o. I put Willamette at 10 over UWSP because of this:
Winning at Linfield > Winning at home against NCC.
Plus UWSP hasn't looked that good since that NCC game.
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Here's my poll:
1. UWW .513 8-0
2. Wartburg .585 8-0
3. Bethel .607 7-1
4. SJU .513 7-1
5. Linfield .560 6-1
6. Chapman .517 6-1
7. UWP .545 6-2
8. UST .524 6-2
9. UWO .533 4-1
10. UWSP .544 6-2
SJU over linfield on the strength of their loss and the fact it happened with their 3rd string qb starting. I went back and forth on UWSP and Concordia...
I think we'll find out a lot about Chapman this weekend.
I just couldn't pull the trigger on Willammette, given the nature of their two losses. Not when other teams have lost closer games to better competition.
The poll was about last week not this week ? ??? 20/20 hind sight? ;)
My poll....
1. UWW
2. Wartburg
3. Bethel
4. Linfield
5. St. John's
6. UWP
7. Chapman
8. UWO
9. St. Thomas
10. Willamette
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2014, 02:18:14 PM
My poll....
DC1....
1. UWW
2. Wartburg
3. Bethel
4. Linfield
5. St. John's
6. UWP
7. Chapman
8. UWO
9. St. Thomas
10. Willamette
thanks 02.. DC1
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 05, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
I think we'll find out a lot about Chapman this weekend.
The poll was about last week not this week ? ??? 20/20 hind sight? ;)
Huh?? I slotted Chapman where I thought they should be given games played to date (not just last week, but YTD). My comment regarding Chapman was simply saying their upcoming game against Redlands will either further justify their current slotting (based on prior performance) or tell me to slide them back. Not sure at all what you mean about 20/20 hind sight ???
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
On the flip side Willamette probably has the best win out of the group (with the exception of maybe wartburg)...and they did it in the catdome :o. I put Willamette at 10 over UWSP because of this:
Winning at Linfield > Winning at home against NCC.
Plus UWSP hasn't looked that good since that NCC game.
I'm not sure about Linfield. Their PR department has been noticeably more quiet this year than last. When Linfield is really good, you hear all about it on these boards. That hasn't been nearly the case this year so far. Then they lost at home.
With Willamette, I just couldn't pull the trigger considering. 3 score loss @ 3 loss Whitworth. Blowout loss @ 2 loss PLU. That doesn't seem like a Top 10 West resume. Both the Cobblers and UWO seemed more deserving. If they beat Pacific on the road, I'll have to reassess some things. Until then...
It is fun having a fan poll to discuss though, isn't it!
I agree with you on Oshkosh. I'm glad many voters looked beyond their mundane record, and looked closely at who exactly they lost to.
Here's my votes:
1.) UW-Whitewater
2.) Wartburg
3.) Bethel
4.) UW-Platteville
5.) Linfield
6.) UW-Oshkosk
7.) St. Johns
8.) St. Thomas
9.) Concordia-Moorhead
10.) Chapman
Just can't talk myself into anyone from the UMAC or MWC being able to hang with the WIAC or MIAC.
Don't know much about those western conferences, but I figure they too are probably better than UMAC or MWC.
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 05, 2014, 05:43:40 PM
Here's my votes:
1.) UW-Whitewater
2.) Wartburg
3.) Bethel
4.) UW-Platteville
5.) Linfield
6.) UW-Oshkosk
7.) St. Johns
8.) St. Thomas
9.) Concordia-Moorhead
10.) Chapman
Just can't talk myself into anyone from the UMAC or MWC being able to hang with the WIAC or MIAC.
Don't know much about those western conferences, but I figure they too are probably better than UMAC or MWC.
I don't have a vote but I like your first five. I'd pull UWO out and put them at nine- moving the miacs up.
Rankings are up
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2014, 04:02:01 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 05, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
I think we'll find out a lot about Chapman this weekend.
The poll was about last week not this week ? ??? 20/20 hind sight? ;)
Huh?? I slotted Chapman where I thought they should be given games played to date (not just last week, but YTD). My comment regarding Chapman was simply saying their upcoming game against Redlands will either further justify their current slotting (based on prior performance) or tell me to slide them back. Not sure at all what you mean about 20/20 hind sight ???
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
On the flip side Willamette probably has the best win out of the group (with the exception of maybe wartburg)...and they did it in the catdome :o. I put Willamette at 10 over UWSP because of this:
Winning at Linfield > Winning at home against NCC.
Plus UWSP hasn't looked that good since that NCC game.
I'm not sure about Linfield. Their PR department has been noticeably more quiet this year than last. When Linfield is really good, you hear all about it on these boards. That hasn't been nearly the case this year so far. Then they lost at home.
With Willamette, I just couldn't pull the trigger considering. 3 score loss @ 3 loss Whitworth. Blowout loss @ 2 loss PLU. That doesn't seem like a Top 10 West resume. Both the Cobblers and UWO seemed more deserving. If they beat Pacific on the road, I'll have to reassess some things. Until then...
It is fun having a fan poll to discuss though, isn't it!
a lot about chapman, willamette and pacific for sure. :) ;) and i might add St John too.
hope i get the order right for you. ???
first new bold, record after last week is ytd? record was a given sorry about that.
second, i hope after this weeks game it tells you something ? ;)
third, let me reassure you about LInfield 8-) They win out and keep going east this year. ;D
fourth, i hope you do . That will make the bearkitties for real too? :o
fifth, yes it is fun. 8-)
one point for each right order ... Dc 1= 5. hassben 5 1/2.. :o
Hass you must be to young for the 20/20. ;)
Looks like they treated UWO and Pacific as one-loss teams. None of us had Pacific ranked. They have two tough games as they finish out.
Quote from: d-train on November 05, 2014, 07:19:58 PM
Looks like they treated UWO and Pacific as one-loss teams. None of us had Pacific ranked. They have two tough games as they finish out.
If the bearkitties are still high after their upset , watch out dogs... The cats will get the dogs .. YOU can Take that to the bank chew chew ;)
Yea, I don't get the pacific choice. good thing their chicago game was cancelled ;)
LINFIELD PR Machine here.
They would beat any top ten east team. ;)
Quote from: D O.C. on November 05, 2014, 10:59:24 PM
LINFIELD PR Machine here.
They would beat any top ten east team. ;)
With one paw tied behind their backs! ;)
Ha! Love you Linfield boys...always keep things interesting.
Quote from: hazzben on November 06, 2014, 12:54:28 AM
Ha! Love you Linfield boys...always keep things interesting.
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It's still just a board right? :-* Not the High court? ??? :-*
Go Cats
Go BIG D
desertcat1 requested that I post his poll...here you go:
1. UWW
2. Wartburg
3. Bethel
4. Linfield
5. St. John's
6. St. Thomas
7. Chapman
8. UWP
9. CMH
10. Willamette
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
Yea, I don't get the pacific choice. good thing their chicago game was cancelled ;)
Not sure if this helps or hurts. Pacific won last year (at home), and I'd guess it would have been a tossup this year (at Chicago).
Chicago definitely could have used that W for their playoff resume.
Pacific will earn their spot (or lose it) in the next two weeks, but I don't think it's egregious to have them at the bottom of the West RR's right now (although the loss to Dubuque isn't exactly a quality loss). They did beat Pac Lutheran.
....and MasterJedi's
1. UWW
2. Linfield
3. Wartburg
4. Bethel
5. UWP
6. St. Thomas
7. St. John's
8. CMH
9. Chapman
10. UWO
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on November 06, 2014, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
Yea, I don't get the pacific choice. good thing their chicago game was cancelled ;)
Not sure if this helps or hurts. Pacific won last year (at home), and I'd guess it would have been a tossup this year (at Chicago).
Chicago definitely could have used that W for their playoff resume.
Pacific will earn their spot (or lose it) in the next two weeks, but I don't think it's egregious to have them at the bottom of the West RR's right now (although the loss to Dubuque isn't exactly a quality loss). They did beat Pac Lutheran.
I was assuming Chicago would have won that game. So yea, that would have been a nice quality win for Chicago....but a devastating third loss for Pacific.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 06, 2014, 11:27:14 AM
....and MasterJedi's
1. UWW
2. Linfield
3. Wartburg
4. Bethel
5. UWP
6. St. Thomas
7. St. John's
8. CMH
9. Chapman
10. UWO
Did he send his in before Saturday's west coast games ended...or go to bed early ;)
Quote from: hazzben on November 06, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 06, 2014, 11:27:14 AM
....and MasterJedi's
1. UWW
2. Linfield
3. Wartburg
4. Bethel
5. UWP
6. St. Thomas
7. St. John's
8. CMH
9. Chapman
10. UWO
Did he send his in before Saturday's west coast games ended...or go to bed early ;)
He could have been working in outer space defended the world too? ;D
Quote from: d-train on October 30, 2014, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on October 30, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
He played for Wabash and won 4 Conference Championship rings while there with 3 years in the National playoffs...
Does he really have 4 rings, or are you just using that as a term?
d-train...I answered this the next day but it seems the post never went through...
Yes 4 actual rings....the Conference Championships were ...05,06,07,08...Coach Chris Creighton the first three years...then Creighton left and went to Drake D1AA...where he won two Con Championships there...then Creighton went to D1 Eastern Michigan this year.
The 4th ring at Wabash was with Coach Raeburn...he is the nephew of Mt Union Larry Keyres...
There were 20 seniors that 08 year and one of the parents bought 20 walnut trophy boxes for those twenty seniors...the box was designed to display exactly 4 rings....needless to say....Way-Kewl
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 06, 2014, 07:12:18 PM
Quote from: d-train on October 30, 2014, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on October 30, 2014, 02:23:10 PM
He played for Wabash and won 4 Conference Championship rings while there with 3 years in the National playoffs...
Does he really have 4 rings, or are you just using that as a term?
d-train...I answered this the next day but it seems the post never went through...
Yes 4 actual rings....the Conference Championships were ...05,06,07,08...Coach Chris Creighton the first three years...then Creighton left and went to Drake D1AA...where he won two Con Championships there...then Creighton went to D1 Eastern Michigan this year.
The 4th ring at Wabash was with Coach Raeburn...he is the nephew of Mt Union Larry Keyres...
There were 20 seniors that 08 year and one of the parents bought 20 walnut trophy boxes for those twenty seniors...the box was designed to display exactly 4 rings....needless to say....Way-Kewl
Interesting. We only got rings for national titles at PLU. While it would be a bigger celebration today I'm sure (knocking off Linfield), winning the conference title wasn't a huge thing.
My son has great respect for Frosty and the type of program he ran...in fact part of the program they run at Greenville has Frosty's fingerprints ...when did you play?
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 06, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
My son has great respect for Frosty and the type of program he ran...in fact part of the program they run at Greenville has Frosty's fingerprints ...when did you play?
That's right. Scotty Kessler coached at Greenville for a few years. He played with and later coached alongside Frosty's son (the current PLU coach). I was a Lute in the mid-to late 90's. Best wishes for your son vs. St. Sch.
Quote from: d-train on November 06, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 06, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
My son has great respect for Frosty and the type of program he ran...in fact part of the program they run at Greenville has Frosty's fingerprints ...when did you play?
That's right. Scotty Kessler coached at Greenville for a few years. He played with and later coached alongside Frosty's son (the current PLU coach). I was a Lute in the mid-to late 90's. Best wishes for your son vs. St. Sch.
Thank you...
Wow....some shakeup in the west
Thanks to everyone who's gotten me their polls already. I'm still waiting on two more, then I'll post the results tomorrow morning.
Thanks
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Wartburg 89 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) Linfield 76 (2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5)
4) St. John's 70 (3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) UW-Platteville 55 (3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8, 8)
6) Bethel 52 (4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) Chapman 39 (5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) St. Thomas 32 (6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 10)
9) UW-Oshkosh 19 (6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, -, -, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 13 (9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -)
RV) Pacific 5 (10, 10, 10, 10, 10, -, -, -, -, -)
Here is my ballot for the week. A little different and I think I look at SOS more than some might. At least I wasn't the guy that put St. Scholastica on the ballot this week...again ::)
1 UWW
2 Wartburg
3 St. Johns
4 Linfield
5 Chapman
6 Bethel
7 UW Oshkosh
8 UW Platteville
9 Concordia-Moorhead
10 St. Thomas
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
Here is my ballot for the week. A little different and I think I look at SOS more than some might. At least I wasn't the guy that put St. Scholastica on the ballot this week...again ::)
1 UWW
2 Wartburg
3 St. Johns
4 Linfield
5 Chapman
6 Bethel
7 UW Oshkosh
8 UW Platteville
9 Concordia-Moorhead
10 St. Thomas
Hey Jack,
Uwo over uwp 4 lose , 2 lose ? was that all SOS? ???
Here are my picks:
1.) UW-Whitewater
2.) Wartburg
3.) UW-Platteville
4.) Linfield
5.) St. John's
6.) Bethel
7.) Chapman
8.) St. Thomas
9.) UW-Oshkosh
10.) Pacific
P.S. Good luck to the Macalester Scots as they travel to Jacksonville, IL to face IC for a chance to get the MWC AQ! Based on where the program was 10+ years ago, under a president who was trying to run the program into the ground, I can't believe what the current administration, Coach Jennison, his staff, and his players have accomplished...Cudos! It's been a long and winding road Scots, enjoy the ride and come back with a W!
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 12, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
Here is my ballot for the week. A little different and I think I look at SOS more than some might. At least I wasn't the guy that put St. Scholastica on the ballot this week...again ::)
1 UWW
2 Wartburg
3 St. Johns
4 Linfield
5 Chapman
6 Bethel
7 UW Oshkosh
8 UW Platteville
9 Concordia-Moorhead
10 St. Thomas
Hey Jack,
Uwo over uwp 4 lose , 2 lose ? was that all SOS? ???
No, I looked at it simply as Platteville being 0-2 against Regionally Ranked teams and Oshkosh being 0-1 against them. It all plays out on Saturday but that was my logic, which really doesn't look too logical with the huge difference in SOS.
I'm not certain how SOS is determined but three of the Titans losses may not be included in it as they weren't losses to DIII teams. .
It will come quite clear on who is better between UWP and UWO this weekend.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 12, 2014, 12:04:52 PM
It will come quite clear on who is better between UWP and UWO this weekend.
love that 20/20 hind sight. ;D
OK , 02 did you get to see both games with UWW? ??? If so who IYHO is the better team ? ;)
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on November 12, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
I'm not certain how SOS is determined but three of the Titans losses may not be included in it as they weren't losses to DIII teams. .
so how do you (un) bake the bread ? ;) I know they lost all three? :o
Weather forecast for Arden Hills this Saturday has been improving throughout the day - from snow showers early this morning to now, just overcast skies and winds under 10 mph. Hopefully, the ice whirlpools have done their magic over the week and the Royals won't have such sore rear paws this weekend. I'm still planning on being in the stands to cheer on the young men in gold and blue! (I'll probably be cold and blue.)
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 10:51:17 AM
Here are my picks:
1.) UW-Whitewater
2.) Wartburg
3.) UW-Platteville
4.) Linfield
5.) St. John's
6.) Bethel
7.) Chapman
8.) St. Thomas
9.) UW-Oshkosh
10.) Pacific
P.S. Good luck to the Macalester Scots as they travel to Jacksonville, IL to face IC for a chance to get the MWC AQ! Based on where the program was 10+ years ago, under a president who was trying to run the program into the ground, I can't believe what the current administration, Coach Jennison, his staff, and his players have accomplished...Cudos! It's been a long and winding road Scots, enjoy the ride and come back with a W!
You will always be OAS to me. TAS doesn't have the same ring to it.
Couldn't build a case to rank SJU any lower?
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 12, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 12, 2014, 12:04:52 PM
It will come quite clear on who is better between UWP and UWO this weekend.
love that 20/20 hind sight. ;D
OK , 02 did you get to see both games with UWW? ??? If so who IYHO is the better team ? ;)
I did.
UWP has more skill players, where as UWO is more physical. In fact UWO is probably the most physical team in the WIAC. They have some nasty to them.
However, I would think in the end skill wins out.
02,
thanks for you insight.. :)
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 12, 2014, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on November 12, 2014, 10:51:17 AM
Here are my picks:
1.) UW-Whitewater
2.) Wartburg
3.) UW-Platteville
4.) Linfield
5.) St. John's
6.) Bethel
7.) Chapman
8.) St. Thomas
9.) UW-Oshkosh
10.) Pacific
P.S. Good luck to the Macalester Scots as they travel to Jacksonville, IL to face IC for a chance to get the MWC AQ! Based on where the program was 10+ years ago, under a president who was trying to run the program into the ground, I can't believe what the current administration, Coach Jennison, his staff, and his players have accomplished...Cudos! It's been a long and winding road Scots, enjoy the ride and come back with a W!
You will always be OAS to me. TAS doesn't have the same ring to it.
Couldn't build a case to rank SJU any lower?
They're two separate people.
Interesting. Sure talks like the same guy.
I should have realized that OAS is smart enough not to wish for a game against SJU or Bethel. The perspective from which the SJU talk was coming threw me off.
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 12, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
Interesting. Sure talks like the same guy.
I should have realized that OAS is smart enough not to wish for a game against SJU or Bethel. The perspective from which the SJU talk was coming threw me off.
EDIT: I deleted a wisecrack that read poorly. If anyone read it and was put off, I apologise. It was harmless in intent.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2014, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 12, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
Interesting. Sure talks like the same guy.
I should have realized that OAS is smart enough not to wish for a game against SJU or Bethel. The perspective from which the SJU talk was coming threw me off.
EDIT: I deleted a wisecrack that read poorly. If anyone read it and was put off, I apologise. It was harmless in intent.
I didn't read it...but I was DEEPLY offended. How dare you Oz!! :P ;D
Here was my contribution this week:
1. UWW
2. Wartburg
3. St. John's
4. Bethel
5. Linfield
6. UWP
7. Chapman
8. UWO
9. St. Thomas
10. CMH
I'm curious on why the UWP love over Bethel. Not saying one way is right or wrong....just curious on everyone's take. Looks like the D3 Regional poll did the same thing. I just don't get it.....and I'm a WIAC guy ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 14, 2014, 09:57:15 AM
Here was my contribution this week:
1. UWW
2. Wartburg
3. St. John's
4. Bethel
5. Linfield
6. UWP
7. Chapman
8. UWO
9. St. Thomas
10. CMH
I'm curious on why the UWP love over Bethel. Not saying one way is right or wrong....just curious on everyone's take. Looks like the D3 Regional poll did the same thing. I just don't get it.....and I'm a WIAC guy ;D
I ranked them ahead of Bethel as I have watched several games this year of Bethel and saw Platteville live at North Central and watched Platteville/ Whitewater online...my feeling is Platteville is better...but as always that's why we play the game...
Keep in mind I even have bias toward Bethel as my son played there...I love Bethel
Quote from: DadofBashWarrior.. on November 14, 2014, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 14, 2014, 09:57:15 AM
Here was my contribution this week:
1. UWW
2. Wartburg
3. St. John's
4. Bethel
5. Linfield
6. UWP
7. Chapman
8. UWO
9. St. Thomas
10. CMH
I'm curious on why the UWP love over Bethel. Not saying one way is right or wrong....just curious on everyone's take. Looks like the D3 Regional poll did the same thing. I just don't get it.....and I'm a WIAC guy ;D
I ranked them ahead of Bethel as I have watched several games this year of Bethel and saw Platteville live at North Central and watched Platteville/ Whitewater online...my feeling is Platteville is better...but as always that's why we play the game...
Keep in mind I even have bias toward Bethel as my son played there...I love Bethel
Interesting. I maybe have watched a couple of UWP games at the most, and zero Bethel games. I was just going off who've they lost too and beat. UWP has yet to beat a team that's currently ranked, while Bethel has two regional wins.
If D3's predictions are true about the tournament, we could possibly see UWP and Bethel meet in the second round. Then again, UWP has to get past a very tough Oshkosh team on Saturday first.
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 12, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 12, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
Here is my ballot for the week. A little different and I think I look at SOS more than some might. At least I wasn't the guy that put St. Scholastica on the ballot this week...again ::)
1 UWW
2 Wartburg
3 St. Johns
4 Linfield
5 Chapman
6 Bethel
7 UW Oshkosh
8 UW Platteville
9 Concordia-Moorhead
10 St. Thomas
Hey Jack,
Uwo over uwp 4 lose , 2 lose ? was that all SOS? ???
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Well boys, we have our work cut out for us this week. A bunch of teams should be on the move in our regional ranks. ;D ;D
I fought off the homer temptation to put the Lutes at #10 (they're my #11). I'm not sure how Redlands ended up in this site's mock West rankings on Saturday night. Huge SOS, I guess? I've got 3 from the WIAC and 3-4 from the MIAC ranked higher.
Quote from: d-train on November 17, 2014, 01:11:59 PM
I fought off the homer temptation to put the Lutes at #10 (they're my #11). I'm not sure how Redlands ended up in this site's mock West rankings on Saturday night. Huge SOS, I guess? I've got 3 from the WIAC and 3-4 from the MIAC ranked higher.
DT,
I took care of it for you and am a cat man (know how tough they are for real without the turnovers ) at #10 :-* your welcome buddy. ;D
Thx, desertcat1. It was close for me, but I figured that Bethel, OW-P, and Moorhead all had some better wins. I'm sure that PLU would love to replay that Pacific game - even if they'd be far less excited about a resulting return trip to McMinnville as the 'reward'.
Final (Regular Season) West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 80
2) Wartburg 2 71
3) Linfield 3 62
4) St. John's 4 57
5) Chapman 7 44
6) UW-Oshkosh 9 42
7) St. Thomas 8 29
8) UW-Platteville 5 23
9) Bethel 6 18
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 11
RV) Pac Lutheran (4)
Had to do with 8 voters this week. No big deal, it was still enough to get a good poll out.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 80 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Wartburg 71 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) St. John's 57 (3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
4) Linfield 55 (2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, -)
5) Chapman 45 (4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 43 (3, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) St. Thomas 30 (6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) UW-Platteville 24 (6, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9)
9) Bethel 19 (6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 11 (8, 8, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 5 (8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Interesting that the group (collectively) thinks UWO is more deserving than St. Thomas. I know that's been a heated debate on some other boards.
Someone left Linfield off their ballot? Really?
Quote from: d-train on November 20, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
Someone left Linfield off their ballot? Really?
Yea, it looks that way. Not sure if it was done intentionally or not.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Interesting that the group (collectively) thinks UWO is more deserving than St. Thomas. I know that's been a heated debate on some other boards.
Push when you look at common opponents (which means nothing I realize). I just think UWO really needs to work to schedule some regional D3 competition. Could've been a different story if they had.
I realize that Marian and RM - Chicago are decent NAIA teams and SDSU is a perennial FCS playoff team, I just don't think it adds to what your ultimate goal should be. Same with Concordia scheduling the University of Jamestown, a win over SJU with a win over another non-conference D3 school and it could be the Cobbers and not UST in the playoffs.
Quote from: USTBench on November 20, 2014, 03:40:45 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Interesting that the group (collectively) thinks UWO is more deserving than St. Thomas. I know that's been a heated debate on some other boards.
Push when you look at common opponents (which means nothing I realize). I just think UWO really needs to work to schedule some regional D3 competition. Could've been a different story if they had.
I realize that Marian and RM - Chicago are decent NAIA teams and SDSU is a perennial FCS playoff team, I just don't think it adds to what your ultimate goal should be. Same with Concordia scheduling the University of Jamestown, a win over SJU with a win over another non-conference D3 school and it could be the Cobbers and not UST in the playoffs.
Much easier said than done. It's tough to get schools around DIII (let alone regionally) to return phone calls from top tier WIAC teams, when it comes to scheduling. So teams like UWW and UWO have to do whatever it takes to fill out its schedule. Hence the non-DIII teams each season.
Props to NCC and Franklin for setting something up with UWP, UWSP and UWW.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 03:59:53 PM
Quote from: USTBench on November 20, 2014, 03:40:45 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
Interesting that the group (collectively) thinks UWO is more deserving than St. Thomas. I know that's been a heated debate on some other boards.
Push when you look at common opponents (which means nothing I realize). I just think UWO really needs to work to schedule some regional D3 competition. Could've been a different story if they had.
I realize that Marian and RM - Chicago are decent NAIA teams and SDSU is a perennial FCS playoff team, I just don't think it adds to what your ultimate goal should be. Same with Concordia scheduling the University of Jamestown, a win over SJU with a win over another non-conference D3 school and it could be the Cobbers and not UST in the playoffs.
Much easier said than done. It's tough to get schools around DIII (let alone regionally) to return phone calls from top tier WIAC teams, when it comes to scheduling. So teams like UWW and UWO have to do whatever it takes to fill out its schedule. Hence the non-DIII teams each season.
Props to NCC and Franklin for setting something up with UWP, UWSP and UWW.
And NCC has now turned in their uniforms. Unless you are a lock to win your AQ (like Franklin is in the HCAC), the selection committee makes it too dangerous to schedule tough OOC games, which is why many top teams are reduced to non-d3 competition.
I think someone had already 'moved' Linfield to the South/UMHB Region ;)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 20, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
Someone left Linfield off their ballot? Really?
Yea, it looks that way. Not sure if it was done intentionally or not.
*Slowly raises hand with a red face. Absolutely 100% unintentional and makes me realize why I was having to dig for the 10th team. I would put Linfield in 4th and move everyone down a slot and bump Concordia out. My mistake!
Quote from: Jack Parkman on November 20, 2014, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 20, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
Someone left Linfield off their ballot? Really?
Yea, it looks that way. Not sure if it was done intentionally or not.oo
*Slowly raises hand with a red face. Absolutely 100% unintentional and makes me realize why I was having to dig for the 10th team. I would put Linfield in 4th and move everyone down a slot and bump Concordia out. My mistake!
Hopefully that is not what the RAC did. "Hey, where is Osh Kosh? Sorry, my bad".
I'm going to agree with the d3football pre season poll and put LINFIELD 4th in nation.
Of course, there's Chapman and Mary to get by.
I'm going to agree with the d3football pre season poll and put LINFIELD 4th in nation.
Of course, there's Chapman and Mary to get by.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 80 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Wartburg 71 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) Linfield 62 (2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4)
4) St. John's 57 (3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) Chapman 44 (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 42 (3, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) St. Thomas 29 (6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) UW-Platteville 23 (6, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10)
9) Bethel 18 (6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 (8, 8, 10, 10, 10, 10, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 4 (9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I'm in a giving mood ;D. Here's the revised final, final rankings based on Jack P's mulligan.
OK, keep going guys. Still got four teams left.
Let's try and get a final poll out now that the season is over. I have received a few entrees so far, but still waiting on a few more. Thanks
2014 Final West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
T2) Wartburg 2 85
T2) Linfield 3 85
4) St. John's 4 70
5) St. Thomas 7 55
6) UW-Oshkosh 6 49
7) UW-Platteville 8 35
8) Chapman 5 30
9) Bethel 9 25
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 12
RV) Macalester (2), St. Scholastica (1), Pac Lutheran (1)
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
T2) Wartburg 85 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
T2) Linfield 85 (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St. John's 70 (4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. Thomas 55 (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 49 (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 35 (6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) Chapman 30 (5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, 10, -)
9) Bethel 25 (7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 12 (9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 -)
RV) Macalester 2 (8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Scholastica 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Thanks for everyone who participated! :)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 23, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 90 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Linfield 77 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) Wartburg 76 (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St. John's 63 (4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. Thomas 49 (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 44 (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 (6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) Chapman 29 (5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, -)
9) Bethel 22 (7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 (9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, -)
RV) Macalester 2 (8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Scholastica 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Wow, just one point separating number 2 and number 3 - that's saying something. The West is the strongest Region, that's for sure.
Quote from: art76 on December 23, 2014, 08:10:47 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 23, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 90 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Linfield 77 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) Wartburg 76 (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St. John's 63 (4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. Thomas 49 (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 44 (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 (6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) Chapman 29 (5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, -)
9) Bethel 22 (7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 (9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, -)
RV) Macalester 2 (8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Scholastica 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Wow, just one point separating number 2 and number 3 - that's saying something. The West is the strongest Region, that's for sure.
Yea...and the one person who I didn't receive a ballot from is a Wartburg fan.... :-X
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 23, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
Quote from: art76 on December 23, 2014, 08:10:47 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 23, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 90 (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Linfield 77 (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) Wartburg 76 (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St. John's 63 (4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. Thomas 49 (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 44 (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 (6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) Chapman 29 (5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, -)
9) Bethel 22 (7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 (9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, -)
RV) Macalester 2 (8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Scholastica 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)I
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Wow, just one point separating number 2 and number 3 - that's saying something. The West is the strongest Region, that's for sure.
Yea...and the one person who I didn't receive a ballot from is a Wartburg fan.... :-X
I totally spaced off!! I will submit & have a recount - will be a tie!!
No, problem...I've updated the Final Poll from above.
Thanks again everyone....see you next season ;D
Still hoping to get a few more participants in this year's West Region Fan Poll. I'll be sending out PM's to everyone shortly to get their picks in by the end of the month.
Thanks everyone
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 13, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
Still hoping to get a few more participants in this year's West Region Fan Poll. I'll be sending out PM's to everyone shortly to get their picks in by the end of the month.
Thanks everyone
I will throw my hat in again this yr if you will have me ;D.
Was fun last yr just giving an opinion on the region & not the nation
Quote from: wartknight on August 13, 2015, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 13, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
Still hoping to get a few more participants in this year's West Region Fan Poll. I'll be sending out PM's to everyone shortly to get their picks in by the end of the month.
Thanks everyone
I will throw my hat in again this yr if you will have me ;D.
Was fun last yr just giving an opinion on the region & not the nation
Absolutley, I was hoping those from last year would want to do it again this year. I still haven't heard back from desertcat1 or DadofBashWarrior if they want back in or not.
So far we sit at 7 participants. Three more would be perfect.
Thanks!
DC1 will be in again, :P he has been on the road this summer in the catmobile looking for a way to get to salem WITHOUT
having to go to Whitewater WI :o??????..
no luck so far. :-*
Go Cats
GO BIG D
We still have one spot open if anyone is interested in joining this year. 8-) I'm trying to get everyone's preseason rankings in by this Friday (8/28).
Thanks
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) Linfield (3) 83 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
T3) Wartburg 64 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, -)
T3) St. John's 64 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) St. Thomas 52 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7)
6) Bethel 40 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
7) UW-Oshkosh 37 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) UW-Platteville 24 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 8,10,10, -, -)
9) Chapman 23 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 9 ( 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 7 ( 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adoplhus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Some interesting trends.
-Either someone thought that Wartburg lost too much, or forgot them all together ;).
-Also it appears we mostly agree on the top 9 teams, given the big drop off in votes from 9 to 10.
-It seems like we all think Linfield is closer to UWW then the rest of the pack.
Good grief. Look at that list. I'm not sure you could take a top 10 from the other three regions combined and beat that list.
Thanks for doing this! It definitely comes in handy in about 7 weeks when I start diving into the at-large stuff. :)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 31, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
Some interesting trends.
-Either someone thought that Wartburg lost too much, or forgot them all together ;).
-Also it appears we mostly agree on the top 9 teams, given the big drop off in votes from 9 to 10.
-It seems like we all think Linfield is closer to UWW then the rest of the pack.
Son of a bitch! That will be changed in poll #2. :-[
In other news I'm the other #1 Linfield vote. May change throughout the season before the playoffs based on how UWW plays.
I also put Linfield at #1
Putting Linfield #1 is understandable. UWW lost their best player(s) on both sides of the ball, not to mention their head coach. However, knowing their depth, and the fact they're returning their front 7 on D as well as their entire offensive line (including a 2014 preseason All American that didn't play a snap last year) was enough for me to give them the #1 spot.
Time will tell as the season plays out.
If you still need poll participants I'd volunteer
1 UWW
2 Wartburg
3 Linfield
4 St Johns
5 St Thomas
6 UW Oshkosh
7 Pacific
8 Bethel
^ Pacific didn't get any votes. They were somewhere around 12-13th on my consideration list.
I think that Pacific was a much better team than they showed during the 'Cats 59-0 drubbing to end the 2014 season. It wouldn't surprise me if they go 8-1 and are in a position to get an at-large bid. Their non-conference schedule is weak so going 8-1 isn't going to make them a lock for a Pool C (unlike PLU in 2012 and 2013). In a few years once the NWC is stronger from top to bottom I think we can expect that our 2nd place team gets a Pool C bid if they only lose a single game. Sort of like the MIAC with St Johns, Bethel, and St. Thomas. Although the way D3 football is handing out auto bids there might not exist any playoff spots other than AQ's... which would be a travesty... seriously... the UMAC gets an autobid?
You might be right about Pacific, we'll see pretty soon. They have a tough test tomorrow, and face PLU and Linfield in early Oct. For now (in my opinion) they are behind at least Bethel, UW-P, and Chapman and roughly on par with teams like Concordia-Moorhead, Central, and Redlands. Others had UW-SP and Monmouth around that range. My top 6 was the same as yours (with a little shuffling). Lots to be sorted out in the West (as always).
No UMAC team made my West Region top 10. ;)
Alright WWW, if you want in the last spot is yours.
Just personal message me your rankings each monday
Quote from: Walla Walla Wildcat on September 03, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
1 UWW
2 Wartburg
3 Linfield
4 St Johns
5 St Thomas
6 UW Oshkosh
7 Pacific
8 Bethel
you're in...but we need 10 teams (not 8). Since week 1 is already under way, i'll add you to the poll next week.
Looks like he won't use Pacific for one of the last two .
Still waiting on one more poll, I'm hoping to get the Week 1 poll out later today.
2015 Week 1 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 97
2) Linfield (3) 2 91
3) St. John's T3 75
4) Wartburg T3 73
5) St. Thomas 5 61
6) Bethel 6 44
7) UW-Platteville 8 37
8) Chapman 9 27
9) UW-Oshkosh 7 18
10) Concordia-Moorhead 10 13
RV) Pacific (5), Whitworth (3), Monmouth (2), UW-Stevens Point (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1), Pacific Lutheran (1)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, MasterJedi, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScott, wartknight and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 97 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) Linfield (3) 91 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. John's 75 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
4) Wartburg 73 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6)
5) St. Thomas 61 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) Bethel 44 ( 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
7) UW-Platteville 37 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, -)
8) Chapman 27 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10)
9) UW-Oshkosh 18 ( 6, 6, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 13 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
A couple of regional top 10 matchups this weekend in the West could shake things up a bit.
Just waiting on a few more ballots, and we should have this week's poll shortly.
Sorry for the delay, I'm giving the final person I'm waiting on untill today. I'll post the Week 2 results with or without him this afternoon.
Thanks
2015 Week 2 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 97
2) Linfield (3) 2 93
3) Wartburg 4 78
4) St. John's 3 71
5) St. Thomas 5 61
6) UW-Platteville 7 46
7) UW-Oshkosh 9 34
8) Bethel 6 28
9) Concordia-Moorhead 10 27
10) Chapman 8 4
RV) Whitworth (3), Gustavus (3), Pacific (3), Cal Lutheran (2)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, MasterJedi, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, wartknight and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 97 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) Linfield (3) 93 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Wartburg 78 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) St. John's 71 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) St. Thomas 61 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-Platteville 46 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7)
7) UW-Oshkosh 34 ( 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10)
8) Bethel 28 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
9) Concordia-Moorhead 27 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10)
10) Chapman 4 (10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I had trouble with that 10th spot as well. Funny to see the huge drop off...and then a near 5-way tie for 10th.
It's also worthy of note that those who voted all agree on the top 5.
I'm glad I got that final ballot in...because before him it was a 4 way tie for 10th.
UWW and Linfield received the same amount of first place votes as last week....however the voting wasn't the same. Two people flipped-flop Linfield and UWW this week, making it look like there was no change (but there actually was).
This is a good poll, 02. Thx to all who participate. The West is best again.
Just waiting on 3 more (carletonknights, art76 and TwoArmedScott). Since the West (UWW) has a game Thursday night, I wouldn't mind posting ther results early if possible this week.
Thanks
2015 Week 3 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 97
2) Linfield (3) 2 93
3) Wartburg 3 75
4) St. John's 4 74
5) St. Thomas 5 59
6) UW-Platteville 6 51
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 37
8) Bethel 8 31
9) Concordia-Moorhead 9 12
10) Chapman 10 7
RV) Gustavus (6), Whitworth (5), Cal Lutheran (3)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, MasterJedi, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, wartknight and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 97 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) Linfield (3) 93 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Wartburg 75 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) St. John's 74 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) St. Thomas 59 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 51 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) UW-Oshkosh 37 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8,10)
8) Bethel 31 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
9) Concordia-Moorhead 12 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
10) Chapman 7 ( 9,10,10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus 6 ( 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
No movement in the poll this week. However Wartburg is losing ground fast to St. John's since beating Bethel in Week 1. Also, Concordia Moorhead lost nearly half it's votes from last week, but still hung onto the 9th spot.....interesting.
While I completely understand why, I find it fascinating that UWP does not even get a single additional vote after beating a top 15 NCC team while in the North Region Fan Poll, NCC dropped 2 place and completely off at least one voter's ballot completely after losing on the road in OT to a top 25 team.
Quote from: USee on September 23, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
While I completely understand why, I find it fascinating that UWP does not even get a single additional vote after beating a top 15 NCC team while in the North Region Fan Poll, NCC dropped 2 place and completely off at least one voter's ballot completely after losing on the road in OT to a top 25 team.
I think they picked up a few votes...46 points last week, 51 this week? Or am I missing something? I see that they're still in 6th overall but it looks like a few 6's became 5's and 7's became 6's on the UWP line...
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: USee on September 23, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
While I completely understand why, I find it fascinating that UWP does not even get a single additional vote after beating a top 15 NCC team while in the North Region Fan Poll, NCC dropped 2 place and completely off at least one voter's ballot completely after losing on the road in OT to a top 25 team.
I think they picked up a few votes...46 points last week, 51 this week? Or am I missing something? I see that they're still in 6th overall but it looks like a few 6's became 5's and 7's became 6's on the UWP line...
+1. They had six 6's and four 7's last week. This week: two 5's, seven 6's, and just one 7.
I moved UWP up from 7th to 6th this week (basically flip flopping spots with UWO). But I couldn't bring myself to rank them ahead of St. Thomas in my 5th spot.
That could change this weekend though.
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 23, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: USee on September 23, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
While I completely understand why, I find it fascinating that UWP does not even get a single additional vote after beating a top 15 NCC team while in the North Region Fan Poll, NCC dropped 2 place and completely off at least one voter's ballot completely after losing on the road in OT to a top 25 team.
I think they picked up a few votes...46 points last week, 51 this week? Or am I missing something? I see that they're still in 6th overall but it looks like a few 6's became 5's and 7's became 6's on the UWP line...
My bad. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.....
Quote from: USee on September 23, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
While I completely understand why, I find it fascinating that UWP does not even get a single additional vote after beating a top 15 NCC team while in the North Region Fan Poll, NCC dropped 2 place and completely off at least one voter's ballot completely after losing on the road in OT to a top 25 team.
They really shouldn't have beaten NCC so I'm not going to move them up above the top 5 until I see some other data points such as say Wartburg losing or St Johns/St Thomas getting blown out or losing bad.
Quote from: USee on September 23, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
While I completely understand why, I find it fascinating that UWP does not even get a single additional vote after beating a top 15 NCC team while in the North Region Fan Poll, NCC dropped 2 place and completely off at least one voter's ballot completely after losing on the road in OT to a top 25 team.
I have UWP at 5 due to the win against NCC. St. Thomas has destroyed their 2 opponents but those 2 are a combined 1-5 with all 5 losses being absolute butt-whippings. We will see how this week works itself out.
Just waiting on a couple more ballots..hopefully I can post this weeks later today.
applaud 02
2015 Week 4 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 98
2) Linfield (2) 2 91
3) St. Thomas 5 76
4) Wartburg 3 75
5) UW-Platteville 6 58
6) UW-Oshkosh 7 43
7) Bethel 8 38
8) St. John's 4 36
9) Whitworth - 15
10) Concordia Moorhead 9 9
Dropped out: Chapman
RV) Gustavus (7), Cal Lutheran (4)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, MasterJedi, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, wartknight and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 98 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Linfield (2) 91 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) St. Thomas 76 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Wartburg 75 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) UW-Platteville 58 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-Oshkosh 43 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9)
7) Bethel 38 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) St. John's 36 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9)
9) Whitworth 15 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
10) Concordia Moorhead 9 ( 9,10,10,10,10,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) Gustavus 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Huge jump for Whitworth. 5 votes last week to 15 :o
I'm suppose all those Chapman votes had to go somewhere (and then some).
Hopefully I can get this out shortly, just waiting on one more entry.
2015 Week 5 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 88
2) Linfield (2) 2 83
3) St. Thomas 3 71
4) Wartburg 4 63
5) UW-Platteville 5 46
6) UW-Oshkosh 6 42
7) St. John's 8 36
8) Whitworth 9 25
9) Concordia Moorhead 10 19
10) Gustavus - 8
Dropped out: Bethel
RV) Pacific (5), Bethel (5), Cal Lutheran (3), St. Norbert (1)
Thank you to our nine participants: carletoneknights, MasterJedi, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 88 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Linfield (2) 83 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) St. Thomas 71 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Wartburg 63 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) UW-Platteville 46 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7,10)
6) UW-Oshkosh 42 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8)
7) St. John's 36 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
8) Whitworth 25 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, -)
9) Concordia Moorhead 19 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -)
10) Gustavus 8 ( 6,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 5 ( 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 08, 2015, 10:26:44 AM
RV) Pacific 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Is this a mistake and/or typo?
Pacific has a home loss to a Dubuque team that was 4-6 last year and was blown out by both St. John's and UWP to start this season. I guess you could take a flyer on Pacific at #10, but a vote at #6? Even if you've got UWP at 4 and SJU at 5, how can you (whoever
you are that has Pacific at #6) justify putting Pacific at 6 with that Dubuque loss on their resume? Wouldn't you then be arguing that Dubuque should also be ranked?
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 08, 2015, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 08, 2015, 10:26:44 AM
RV) Pacific 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Is this a mistake and/or typo?
Pacific has a home loss to a Dubuque team that was 4-6 last year and was blown out by both St. John's and UWP to start this season. I guess you could take a flyer on Pacific at #10, but a vote at #6? Even if you've got UWP at 4 and SJU at 5, how can you (whoever you are that has Pacific at #6) justify putting Pacific at 6 with that Dubuque loss on their resume? Wouldn't you then be arguing that Dubuque should also be ranked?
It could be me? ;D Waiting for paperwork to justify? 8-) But, The game on Sat will tell the reaL STORY. :) sTAY TURNED FOLKS. :-* DC1
Wasn't a misprint on my part...just reporting the results.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 08, 2015, 12:28:29 PM
Wasn't a misprint on my part...just reporting the results.
02,
will you send me a copy of my results please :-* , i need to update settings? ::) no copy here on the road . ;D I will blame it on the twins. ;D
dc1,
ok boys here we go . My results are in and i changed the settings. >:(... 1. UWW, 2. Cats ,3. Wart, 4. st tom, 5. Whitworth, 6.P- DOGS, 7. UWP, 8, uwo, 9. st john, 10. Con Mor
Little Guru says, " it's not who you lost to but, WHO you beat. :) So their/four, ;D When they beat PLU 37 t0 7 i gave them( p-dogs) a jump .
They are for real. Should be a REAL DOG N CAT fight sat at the CATDOME.
Looking back I should have done the same for UWP? :o always next week. :P :'(
dc1
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
Little Guru says, " it's not who you lost to but, WHO you beat. :) So their/four, ;D When they beat PLU 37 t0 7 i gave them( p-dogs) a jump .
This would carry a little more weight if Pacific Lutheran wasn't already 0-3. And it's not like Pac Lu lost to Whitewater and Mount Union...they lost to a pair of good-but-not-great teams.
I understand the "it's not who you lost to, but who you beat" train of thinking from a broad perspective, but there has to be some penalty for losing to a mediocre team, right? Pacific's other results are uninspiring. If you're relying on a home win against an 0-3 team to justify ranking them ahead of Platteville, Oshkosh, and SJU...wait,
ahead of Platteville and SJU?
St. John's 45, Dubuque 9
UW-Platteville 31, Dubuque 7
Dubuque 31, Pacific 29
I know comparative scores are a dangerous game, but this is just silly, to rank Pacific ahead of not one but two teams that both blew out the team who beat Pacific. If all of the games were close, maybe-sorta. But Dubuque was thoroughly blasted by both Platteville
and St. John's, then beat Pacific. If it's "who you beat" and not "who you lost to" why isn't Dubuque up here, then? After all, Dubuque felled Pacific.
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 08, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
Little Guru says, " it's not who you lost to but, WHO you beat. :) So their/four, ;D When they beat PLU 37 t0 7 i gave them( p-dogs) a jump .
This would carry a little more weight if Pacific Lutheran wasn't already 0-3. And it's not like Pac Lu lost to Whitewater and Mount Union...they lost to a pair of good-but-not-great teams.
I understand the "it's not who you lost to, but who you beat" train of thinking from a broad perspective, but there has to be some penalty for losing to a mediocre team, right? Pacific's other results are uninspiring. If you're relying on a home win against an 0-3 team to justify ranking them ahead of Platteville, Oshkosh, and SJU...wait, ahead of Platteville and SJU?
St. John's 45, Dubuque 9
UW-Platteville 31, Dubuque 7
Dubuque 31, Pacific 29
I know comparative scores are a dangerous game, but this is just silly, to rank Pacific ahead of not one but two teams that both blew out the team who beat Pacific. If all of the games were close, maybe-sorta. But Dubuque was thoroughly blasted by both Platteville and St. John's, then beat Pacific. If it's "who you beat" and not "who you lost to" why isn't Dubuque up here, then? After all, Dubuque felled Pacific.
meh. While I totally agree, it's not worth your time. His opinion is his opinion - no matter how faulty the logic or how much/little thought he put into it. That's why there are 8 or 9 other voters. Outliers don't skew the overall results.
Quote from: d-train on October 08, 2015, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 08, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
Little Guru says, " it's not who you lost to but, WHO you beat. :) So their/four, ;D When they beat PLU 37 t0 7 i gave them( p-dogs) a jump .
This would carry a little more weight if Pacific Lutheran wasn't already 0-3. And it's not like Pac Lu lost to Whitewater and Mount Union...they lost to a pair of good-but-not-great teams.
I understand the "it's not who you lost to, but who you beat" train of thinking from a broad perspective, but there has to be some penalty for losing to a mediocre team, right? Pacific's other results are uninspiring. If you're relying on a home win against an 0-3 team to justify ranking them ahead of Platteville, Oshkosh, and SJU...wait, ahead of Platteville and SJU?
St. John's 45, Dubuque 9
UW-Platteville 31, Dubuque 7
Dubuque 31, Pacific 29
I know comparative scores are a dangerous game, but this is just silly, to rank Pacific ahead of not one but two teams that both blew out the team who beat Pacific. If all of the games were close, maybe-sorta. But Dubuque was thoroughly blasted by both Platteville and St. John's, then beat Pacific. If it's "who you beat" and not "who you lost to" why isn't Dubuque up here, then? After all, Dubuque felled Pacific.
meh. While I totally agree, it's not worth your time. His opinion is his opinion - no matter how faulty the logic or how much/little thought he put into it. That's why there are 8 or 9 other voters. Outliers don't skew the overall results.
stir that pot big boy. :-* keep on track. ;D
sat night will tell the tail. :P
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 02:43:56 PM
stir that pot big boy. :-* keep on track. ;D
sat night will tell the tail. :P
I'm flattered that you still give so much respect to a win over PLU!
Quote from: d-train on October 08, 2015, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 02:43:56 PM
stir that pot big boy. :-* keep on track. ;D
sat night will tell the tail. :P
I'm flattered that you still give so much respect to a win over PLU!
Always big boy. ;) ;) Lutes are a class act. :-* Can't understand why the young boys this year have not pulled it all together ??? Hope they get it going this week over the bearkitties. ;D
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 02:43:56 PM
stir that pot big boy. :-* keep on track. ;D
sat night will tell the tail. :P
Tale is told. Logic beats irrational opinions.
Quote from: jknezek on October 10, 2015, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 08, 2015, 02:43:56 PM
stir that pot big boy. :-* keep on track. ;D
sat night will tell the tail. :P
Tale is told. Logic beats irrational opinions.
is the pot calling the kettle black? :P ;D
This week he will have Whitworth as #4 ahead of Uww and Uwo
Let's discuss Football with humor. ;D
Quote from: Walla Walla Wildcat on October 11, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
This week he will have Whitworth as #4 ahead of Uww and Uwo
u been reading my mail ;D :-* could be stay tuned 8-)
I am very curious to know how things shake out here with the results of the games this past week.
Agree...still waiting on 3 more polls. Hopefully we can get 10 participants this time. I didn't get one from wartnight last week.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 13, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
Agree...still waiting on 3 more polls. Hopefully we can get 10 participants this time. I didn't get one from wartnight last week.
02,
maybe you should have a deadline or cut off date ? ??? then go with what you have? ;D
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 14, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 13, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
Agree...still waiting on 3 more polls. Hopefully we can get 10 participants this time. I didn't get one from wartnight last week.
02,
maybe you should have a deadline or cut off date ? ??? then go with what you have? ;D
I think I first told everyone Tuesday. .. maybe I need to send out a message reminding everyone.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 14, 2015, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 14, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 13, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
Agree...still waiting on 3 more polls. Hopefully we can get 10 participants this time. I didn't get one from wartnight last week.
02,
maybe you should have a deadline or cut off date ? ??? then go with what you have? ;D
I think I first told everyone Tuesday. .. maybe I need to send out a message reminding everyone.
Good luck ,buddy. :-*
after all it is only their opinion :o they get the big buck given a fine. :-*
2015 Week 6 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (9) 2 90
T2) UW-Oshkosh 6 75
T2) St. Thomas 3 75
4) UW-Whitewater 1 65
5) Wartburg 4 52
6) UW-Platteville 5 45
7) St. John's 7 36
8) Whitworth 8 18
9) Concordia Moorhead 9 17
10) Gustavus 10 11
RV) Bethel (8), St. Norbert (3)
Thank you to our nine participants: carletoneknights, wartknight, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, and 02 Warhawk.
1) Linfield (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
T2) UW-Oshkosh 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
T2) St. Thomas 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5)
4) UW-Whitewater 65 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) Wartburg 52 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 45 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
7) St. John's 36 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Whitworth 18 ( 6, 8, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
9) Concordia Moorhead 17 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) Gustavus 11 ( 7, 9,10,10,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) Bethel 8 ( 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 15, 2015, 08:39:10 AM
1) Linfield (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
T2) UW-Oshkosh 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
T2) St. Thomas 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5)
4) UW-Whitewater 65 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) Wartburg 52 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 45 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
7) St. John's 36 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Whitworth 18 ( 6, 8, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
9) Concordia Moorhead 17 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) Gustavus 11 ( 7, 9,10,10,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) Bethel 8 ( 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Wow, someone or several don't like the Tommies or really don't think they are that good. Look at the spread of rankings for them.
WHD
Quote from: WarhawkDad on October 15, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
Wow, someone or several don't like the Tommies or really don't think they are that good. Look at the spread of rankings for them.
WHD
They are the 5th team (in the West) in D3football.com's real poll; below Wartburg. Six out of 9 voters here have them 2nd. IDK
The MIAC is interesting with what looks to be 5 playoff caliber teams. I'm hoping that Gustavus doesn't go 0-fer the rest of the season as they did in 2014 from this point on. We will see if Whitworth is worthy a week from Saturday. I don't know how much difference exists in the Top 10 in the West from top to bottom...
2015 Week 7 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (9) 1 99
2) St. Thomas (1) T2 89
3) UW-Oshkosh T2 82
4) UW-Whitewater 4 70
5) UW-Plattevile 6 56
6) St. John's 7 50
7) Whitworth 8 32
8) Concordia Moorhead 9 28
9) Wartburg 5 25
10) Bethel - 10
RV) Dubuque (6), St. Norbert (3)
Dropped out: Gustavus Adolphus
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, wartknight, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, MasterJedi and 02 Warhawk.
1) Linfield (9) 99 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) St. Thomas (1) 89 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 82 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) UW-Whitewater 70 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) UW-Platteville 56 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
6) St. John's 50 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) Whitworth 32 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9,10,10, -)
8) Concordia Moorhead 28 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, -)
9) Wartburg 25 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9)
10) Bethel 10 ( 8, 9,10,10,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 6 ( 8, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Looks like we all know where UWW stands in the West.
Also, I think I'm the only one who hasn't jumped on the Whitworth bandwagon yet. I still have no idea how good they are...they haven't played anyone yet. Chapman and Pac Lutheran are WAY down this year, so those wins don't do much for me. I think Linfield will destroy them on Saturday. If they put up a fight I'll reconsider.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2015, 11:58:31 AM
Looks like we all know where UWW stands in the West.
Also, I think I'm the only one who hasn't jumped on the Whitworth bandwagon yet. I still have no idea how good they are...they haven't played anyone yet. Chapman and Pac Lutheran are WAY down this year, so those wins don't do much for me. I think Linfield will destroy them on Saturday. If they put up a fight I'll reconsider.
02,
I hope you are right, ;D it will be the biggest test of the year for the cats.. :o "Rat killing time "in the Catdome . ;D
Their is room for you on the CAT wagon. :-*
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 21, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2015, 11:58:31 AM
Looks like we all know where UWW stands in the West.
Also, I think I'm the only one who hasn't jumped on the Whitworth bandwagon yet. I still have no idea how good they are...they haven't played anyone yet. Chapman and Pac Lutheran are WAY down this year, so those wins don't do much for me. I think Linfield will destroy them on Saturday. If they put up a fight I'll reconsider.
02,
I hope you are right, ;D it will be the biggest test of the year for the cats.. :o "Rat killing time "in the Catdome . ;D
Their is room for you on the CAT wagon. :-*
Well I have them ranked #1 in the West....so I'm not sure what else I could do.
Linfield will be Whitworth by at least 14 points. It could even end up a monkey stomp or worse.
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 21, 2015, 09:41:06 PM
Linfield will be Whitworth by at least 14 points. It could even end up a monkey stomp or worse.
I'll be at that game and hoping that it's closer - but you're probably right in your analysis.
Quote from: art76 on October 21, 2015, 11:10:40 PM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 21, 2015, 09:41:06 PM
Linfield will be Whitworth by at least 14 points. It could even end up a monkey stomp or worse.
I'll be at that game and hoping that it's closer - but you're probably right in your analysis.
Nice trip!
art76...assuming you are not working, after your trip around campus, the tailgaters are past the scoreboard end of the field past the baseball field and soccer field. The Blue Jug parks itself along Lever St. near a Port A Potty. I look for a big bus.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 22, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
art76...assuming you are not working, after your trip around campus, the tailgaters are past the scoreboard end of the field past the baseball field and soccer field. The Blue Jug parks itself along Lever St. near a Port A Potty. I look for a big bus.
Will do - thanx for the invite!
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 21, 2015, 09:41:06 PM
Linfield will beat Whitworth by at least 14 30 points. It could even will end up a double monkey stomp or worse.
Corrected for you
Quote from: wartknight on October 23, 2015, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 21, 2015, 09:41:06 PM
Linfield will beat Whitworth by at least 14 30 points. It could even will end up a double monkey stomp or worse.
Corrected for you
Agreed
That game confirmed my suspicion about Whitworth.
They have tools.
Just not then but they might be feistier at their place next year.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 24, 2015, 09:55:56 PM
They have tools.
Just not then but they might be feistier at their place next year.
they are a young team---they could be very good in the next 2 years.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2015, 09:32:56 PM
That game confirmed my suspicion about Whitworth.
I didn't know what to expect of either team as I watched today in the Cat Dome. On a purely subjective "seat of the pants" viewing, I'd say this year's Bethel squad could beat the Whitworth team - it would be close, like the Concordia game BU lost earlier this season. Linfield is really good. Their backup QB could start in a lot of other places. As a slinger, he had better form and distance/range down field than their starter. Their defense is especially quick to the ball. Not having seen the Tommies play yet this season, I'd guess they would be comparable in terms of relative strength.
The atmosphere was really good in the stadium. My only complaint is that the reserved seating benches were not designed for 6'1'' tall people - more like 5' 1" folk. My knees were pressed into the back of the bench in front of me. Fortunately for me, the folks with season tickets who normally sit on either side of me did not show up for the game. I was about a third of the way up on the 47 and had a great view, and the folks around me all knew one another.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2015, 09:32:56 PM
That game confirmed my suspicion about Whitworth.
Yeah but I think Linfield would do that to many/most teams you might consider for those 8-10 slots.
Is this happening today? Asking for a friend. :)
2015 Week 8 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (9) 1 99
2) St. Thomas (1) 2 88
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 83
4) UW-Whitewater 4 70
5) St. John's 6 59
6) Concordia Moorhead 8 45
7) UW-Platteville 5 40
8) Wartburg 9 27
9) Dubuque - 19
10) St. Norbert - 10
Dropped Out: Bethel, Whitworth
RV) Whitworth (5), Bethel (3), Gustavus Adolphus (2)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, wartknight, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, MasterJedi and 02 Warhawk.
1) Linfield (9) 99 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) St. Thomas (1) 88 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 83 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) UW-Whitewater 70 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. John's 59 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) Concordia Moorhead 45 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 40 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8,10)
8) Wartburg 27 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10)
9) Dubuque 19 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -)
10) St. Norbert 10 ( 8, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 5 ( 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Brilliant! Thanks :)
Holding out for one more entry...hopefully I'll get this out later today.
Sorry for the late response!
I changed up my rankings even before I saw the regional ones. I put Linfield at 3 behind St Thomas and UWO. Mainly as a way to start getting my head around the idea that we aren't going to be a #1 seed... through no fault of our own... damn down NWC and SCIAC!
2015 Week 9 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (8) 1 97
2) St. Thomas (1) 2 88
3) UW-Oshkosh (1) 3 85
4) UW-Whitewater 4 70
5) St. John's 5 59
6) UW-Platteville 7 51
7) Wartburg 8 32
8) Dubuque 9 25
9) Concordia-Moorhead 6 21
10) St. Norbert 10 11
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) Whitworth (6), Bethel (5)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, wartknight, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, MasterJedi and 02 Warhawk.
1) Linfield (8) 97 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3)
2) St. Thomas (1) 88 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh (1) 85 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) UW-Whitewater 70 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. John's 59 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 51 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) Wartburg 32 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9)
8) Dubuque 25 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -)
9) Concordia-Moorhead 21 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) St. Norbert 11 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 6 ( 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 5 ( 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: Walla Walla Wildcat on November 04, 2015, 12:29:04 PM
Sorry for the late response!
I changed up my rankings even before I saw the regional ones. I put Linfield at 3 behind St Thomas and UWO. Mainly as a way to start getting my head around the idea that we aren't going to be a #1 seed... through no fault of our own... damn down NWC and SCIAC!
I assume you'll be moving Whitworth to 5th or 6th then too? I'm using this as a poll of who I think wins on a neutral field - not a prediction of the regional rankings. Whitworth beats St. Norbert for the 10th slot on my ballot, which is pretty close to the poll results here.
Oshkosh is a very good team this year, but I don't see them beating UST or Linfield in the playoffs. It would be a good rematch from 2012 if UWO and Linfield square off.
Still waiting on a handful of ballots for this week. Hopefully I'll get them today.
2015 Week 10 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (9) 1 99
2) St. Thomas (1) 2 88
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 82
4) UW-Whitewater 4 71
5) St. John's 5 59
6) UW-Platteville 6 50
7) Wartburg 7 30
8) Dubuque 8 29
9) Whitworth - 15
10) St. Norbert 10 11
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead
RV) Gustavus Adolphus (5), Concordia-Moorhead (4), La Verne (4), Bethel (2), Monmouth (1)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, wartknight, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, MasterJedi and 02 Warhawk.
1) Linfield (9) 99 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) St. Thomas (1) 88 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4)
3) UW-Oshkosh 82 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) UW-Whitewater 71 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. John's 59 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 50 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) Wartburg 30 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, -)
8) Dubuque 29 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,10, -)
9) Whitworth 15 ( 7, 7, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
10) St. Norbert 11 ( 7, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) La Verne 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Kind of shocked half the field is still selecting Wartburg over Dubuque.
10/17
Dubuque: 45
Wartburg: 13
To each his own I guess :)
Sometimes the whole body of work trumps a head-to-head result (IMO). UD has two bad losses to Wartburg's one.
Quote from: d-train on November 11, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
Sometimes the whole body of work trumps a head-to-head result (IMO). UD has two bad losses to Wartburg's one.
To the #10 and #15 teams in the country.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 11, 2015, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: d-train on November 11, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
Sometimes the whole body of work trumps a head-to-head result (IMO). UD has two bad losses to Wartburg's one.
To the #10 and #15 teams in the country.
Well, Wartburg's loss was to #20. The margins were bad (which is what I meant) in all three of those games.
You could also play it as Dubuque had 2 bad losses the 1st two weeks of the season. And Dubuque has a big win against a ranked Wartburg the 7th week of the season. Wartburg has played 1 game against a ranked team and lost by 32 points...mid-season.
In the end, Dubuque gets the auto berth to the playoffs, and the NCAA has Dubuque regionally ranked higher than Wartburg. So there is that.
^ agreed. There are several ways of weighing the evidence. UD's losses were early. Wart's best win (at Bethel) doesn't look nearly as good as it once did. Wart has the edge in the west fan, D3 fan, and regular D3 polls. But UD has the edge where is matters (RR and autobid). I'd have UD ahead if they only had one loss. It's a close call (again, IMO) with two losses.
2015 Week 11 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (8) 1 98
2) St. Thomas (1) 2 88
3) UW-Oshkosh(1) 3 84
4) UW-Whitewater 4 70
5) St. John's 5 58
6) UW-Platteville 6 51
7) Dubuque 8 33
8) Wartburg 7 25
9) Whitworth 9 22
10) St. Norbert 10 10
RV) La Verne (6), Concordia-Moorhead (3), Bethel (2)
Thank you to our ten participants: carletoneknights, wartknight, art76, Jack Parkman, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, d-train, TwoArmedScot, MasterJedi and 02 Warhawk.
THX
It just dawned on me RV is not Rear View but Received Votes.
1) Linfield (9) 98 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) St. Thomas (1) 88 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh (1) 84 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) UW-Whitewater 70 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) St. John's 58 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 51 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) Dubuque 33 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,10)
8) Wartburg 25 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
9) Whitworth 22 ( 7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -)
10) St. Norbert 10 ( 7, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) La Verne 6 ( 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: D O.C. on November 18, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
THX
It just dawned on me RV is not Rear View but Received Votes.
ehh...same difference
Looking to get a head count on those returning to do the poll. Please check you messages for those that participated last season.
Thanks!
Thanks for trying to keep it alive.
Perhaps we can rename it Which Five West Teams Should Be In the Top Ten - again.
Or, I suppose I could get up off the living room floor and start it.
I still have a few spots open if any west fans are looking to join this season. I'll post what I've gotten from the preseason ballots tomorrow (so far there are 6 entrees).
2016 Preseaon West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (3) 63
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 62
3) St. Thomas (2) 61
4) UW-Oshkosh 51
5) St. John's 41
6) UW-Platteville 31
7) Whitworth 22
8) Bethel 16
9t) Wartburg 12
9t) Dubuque 12
RV) Concordia-Moorhead (7), Monmouth (2), La Verne (2), CMS (2), St. Scholastica (1)
Thanks to those for participating this year. There still are three open spots if any other West fans are interested.
Thanks!
1) Linfield (3) 63 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4)
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 62 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas (2) 61 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4)
4) UW-Oshkosh 51 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) St. John's 41 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 31 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, -)
7) Whitworth 22 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9,10)
8) Bethel 16 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, -, -)
9t) Wartburg 12 ( 7, 7, 7, -, -, -, -)
9t) Dubuque 12 ( 6, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) La Verne 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Scholastica 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
We seem pretty much split on who gets the top spot in the West.
Here's how I voted, and my thoughts on some of the teams:
| Rank | School | Notes |
| 1. | St. Thomas | After watching their playoff run a year ago, I'm going to need to see something impressive from Linfield/UWW before I feel comfortable bumping them down. |
| 2. | Linfield | Returning Sam Riddle gives them the edge over UWW in my eyes. UMHB game should be telling. |
| 3. | UW-Whitewater | Projected as #2 team in country in my model, with #1 defense. Looking forward to watching the Morningside game (hopefully in-person). |
| 4. | UW-Oshkosh | If Hecker's healthy, they're scary. Been playing Frosh & Soph skill players for couple years; they're Jr's and Sr's now. |
| 5. | UW-Platteville | Bunch of experienced 5th year guys on O, if the D gels in the non-con, they have a chance to make it back to the playoffs. |
| 6. | St. John's | They graduated nearly 60% of their total games started last season, one of the highest marks in the nation. |
| 7. | Wartburg | Graduated biggest Sr class ever, but still the favorite in the IIAC in my eyes. |
| 8. | Bethel | Has anyone else noticed they win the MIAC and go on a run every three years??? |
| 9. | Concordia-Moorhead | They've been too consistently good (but never really great) for me to bump them out of the Top 10. |
| 10. | Whitworth | I'm not sold on Whitworth after one good season. My model likes Central to win on the road this weekend, which could open door for Central, DBQ (w/ a win), UWSP/St. 'bert winner |
Awesome...thanks for your analysis!
Out of curiosity, if you have UWW #2 in your national poll...then why have them #3 in the region poll? Assuming you're the one that's putting together your national poll.
My top 3 are:
1. Linfield
2. St. Thomas
3. UWW
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 31, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
Out of curiosity, if you have UWW #2 in your national poll...then why have them #3 in the region poll? Assuming you're the one that's putting together your national poll.
Decided to roll with my computer ratings a lot closer
for now in the national poll.
2016 Week 1 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (4) 3 73
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 2 72
3) Linfield (2) 1 68
4) UW-Oshkosh 4 58
5) St. John's 5 46
6) UW-Platteville 6 38
7) Dubuque 10 28
8) Wartburg 9 16
9) Central N/A 12
10) Monmouth N/A 11
Dropped Out: No. 7 Whitworth, No. 8 Bethel
RV) CMS (7), Whitworth (4), UW-Stevens Point (3), Northwestern (2), Pac Lutheran (1), Gustavus (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
Still room for two more if anyone is interested.
1) St. Thomas (4) 73 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4)
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 72 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) Linfield (2) 68 ( 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) UW-Oshkosh 58 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) St. John's 46 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 38 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, -)
7) Dubuque 28 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8,10)
8) Wartburg 16 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -)
9) Central 12 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 11 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 7 ( 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Northwestern 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Top three still are relatively close. Linfield - it appears - "fell" victim to the bye week. Also, it looks like everyone has a different opinion on who the bottom 2 or 3 teams should be.
4?
Who's got the bee in their bonnet for St. Thomas and LINFIELD?
Quote from: D O.C. on September 07, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
4?
Who's got the bee in their bonnet for St. Thomas and LINFIELD?
I'll let whoever made those picks comment, if they wish.
Also found it interesting UWP didn't get a vote for the second straight week, considering the consistency the rest of the field picked them (either 5th or 6th).
I went with:
1. Linfield
2. St. Thomas
3. UWW
4. UWO
5. UWP
6. St. John's
7. Dubuque
8. Monmouth
9. Central
10. CMS
My vote:
| Rank | Team |
| 1. | St. Thomas |
| 2. | UW-Whitewater |
| 3. | Linfield |
| 4. | UW-Oshkosh |
| 5. | UW-Platteville |
| 6. | St. John's |
| 7. | Wartburg |
| 8. | UW-Stevens Point |
| 9. | Central |
| 10. | Dubuque |
St. Thomas gave me no reason to doubt their claim as the top program right now, while I feel like UWW played well enough with a QB2 to warrant a vote ahead of Linfield until I see a result.
UWO had the best win of the week, so they get to stay @ #4.
For UWP/SJU, my biggest question for each was Platteville's D and St. John's O. Both were impressive, but I'm more impressed by a shutout over George Fox than 500 yards vs. St. Scholastica. It's hard to shut out anybody.
My opinion of Wartburg is essentially unchanged.
UWSP, Central, UD, and Monmouth all fall into the same range for me. Dubuque probably played the toughest opponent, and Central the second toughest, but 53 and 49 points on D gives me pause. I kept Monmouth on the outside for now because I see them losing at home to Wartburg this week.
Yea, top 3 is a toss up. I put UWW 3 because I'm still not 100% convinced Nelson is the man for the job. Plus I think Linfield has the best QB (maybe player) in the country this year. While St. Thomas graduated a lot from last year...but still good.
I'm really splitting hairs here, as one can make a good argument on any of those three teams to be #1 in the West.
Considering UWO is the defending WIAC champ, it seems a bit weird to me that the consensus is so clearly for UWW ahead of them (from looking at their distribution of votes, it's only possible for one voter to place the Titans ahead of the Warhawks). I agree about the Top 3 though, total tossup right now. I'm trying to find reasons not to place each team at #1, and it's tough.
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 07, 2016, 04:18:42 PM
Considering UWO is the defending WIAC champ, it seems a bit weird to me that the consensus is so clearly for UWW ahead of them (from looking at their distribution of votes, it's only possible for one voter to place the Titans ahead of the Warhawks).
Maybe the uww/uwo playoff game is still fresh in people's minds.
Exactly what conferences are in the West region?
IIAC
MWC
MIAC
WIAC
NWC
SCIAC
UMAC
7 total conferences - am I missing any?
No
I don't really care about the bee in the bonnet.
As an out of town fan I have no idea what my team is capable of yet.
The King Bee is the SOS again and I do not see the SCAIC or NWC lifting my spirits about that.
Quote from: D O.C. on September 08, 2016, 05:05:35 PM
I don't really care about the bee in the bonnet.
As an out of town fan I have no idea what my team is capable of yet.
The King Bee is the SOS again and I do not see the SCAIC or NWC lifting my spirits about that.
A win against UMHB should help quite a bit.
Don't tell anybody but it's the biggest thing all season.
Quote from: D O.C. on September 07, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
4?
Who's got the bee in their bonnet for St. Thomas and LINFIELD?
Not a bee in the bonnet, but I have LF @ 4, or 1c as I think the top 4 are that close.
1c :) That's a good one. It's true though.
2016 Week 2 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (4) 1 73
1) UW-Whitewater (3) 2 73
3) Linfield (1) 3 67
4) UW-Oshkosh 4 58
5) St. John's 5 45
6) UW-Platteville 6 42
7) Dubuque 7 26
8) Central 9 20
9) Monmouth 10 18
10) UW-Stevens Point N/A 7
Dropped Out: No. 8 Wartburg
RV) Whitworth (4), CMS (3), Northwestern (2), Pac Lutheran (1), Coe (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
Still room for two more if anyone is interested.
1) St. Thomas (4) 73 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4)
1) UW-Whitewater (3) 73 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) Linfield (1) 67 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) UW-Oshkosh 58 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) St. John's 45 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 42 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8)
7) Dubuque 26 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9,10)
8) Central 20 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
9) Monmouth 18 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
10) UW-Stevens Point 7 ( 7, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Northwestern 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Coe 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I think we made Emma's day today ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 14, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
I think we made Emma's day today ;D
Only because the other pollsters have more sense than you 02. ;)
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on September 14, 2016, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 14, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
I think we made Emma's day today ;D
Only because the other pollsters have more sense than you 02. ;)
I thought that was obvious.
My weekly submission:
| Team |
| 1. | St. Thomas |
| 2. | UW-Whitewater |
| 3. | Linfield |
| 4. | UW-Oshkosh |
| 5. | UW-Platteville |
| 6. | St. John's |
| 7. | Central |
| 8. | UW-Stevens Point |
| 9. | Monmouth |
| 10. | Dubuque |
Nothing in the top 6 changed for me. I would have liked to see a hotter start by UWW, but they definitely pounded the rock throughout.
Central jumped up for me, because I honestly thought Augustana was going to be a team on the rise this season. They returned 10 starters on an already good defense, and then Central put up 45 on them... Combined with the W @ Whitworth, I think they have the best resume in the IIAC so far this season.
UW-SP took care of business against one of the favorites in the MIAA and avenged their worst loss from last season.
Monmouth is ahead of DBQ for me because right now, I would give more credit to a W over Wartburg than a W over Bethel or Pacific. Bethel isn't playing particularly well, and the Pacific game was closer than it should have been.
Unless somebody in this group loses a game, it would take something remarkable (CMS by 21+ over W&L?) for me to put a SCIAC, UMAC or second NWC team (especially given their OOC performances thus far) in ahead of them.
I'm curious to see how good Wartburg actually is this season. It could be a very nice quality win for Monmouth, or just a win against a .500 team.
My guess somewhere in between. Wartburg might be in the same tier as Bethel this season.
2016 Week 3 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (5) 1 75
1) UW-Whitewater (3) 1 75
3) UW-Oshkosh 4 64
4) St. John's 5 50
5) Linfield 3 47
6) UW-Platteville 6 43
7) Central 8 27
8) Dubuque 7 23
9) Monmouth 9 16
10) UW-Stevens Point 10 10
Dropped Out: None
RV) CMS (7), Whitworth (2), Northwestern (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
Still room for two more if anyone is interested.
1) St. Thomas (5) 75 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
1) UW-Whitewater (3) 75 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) UW-Oshkosh 64 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) St. John's 50 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
5) Linfield 47 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7)
6) UW-Platteville 43 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, -)
7) Central 27 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9)
8) Dubuque 23 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9,10,10)
9) Monmouth 16 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -)
10) UW-Stevens Point 10 ( 7, 8, 8, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 7 ( 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Northwestern 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I admit, I was the lone rep giving Linfield a first-place vote the first few weeks. I think I told myself that even if Linfield lost a close game to MHB, I would still consider them the top team in the West. Then 66-27 happened and I had to rethink that.
I understand what the score was, but I seriously doubt that MHB was that much better than what the score indicates. With that being said, I dropped them from 1 to 4...just ahead of St. John's. I think d3football's poll was a little excessive dropping them from 3rd to 9th.
My top 5 West teams
St. Thomas
UWW
UWO
Linfield
St. John's
If St. John's loses a close game next week to St. Thomas, I'll probably move them up in the rankings at least past Linfield. But if St. Thomas blows out St. John's (which I think is more likely to happen) I'll consider my rankings somewhat ahead of the curve then ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
I admit, I was the lone rep giving Linfield a first-place vote the first few weeks. I think I told myself that even if Linfield lost a close game to MHB, I would still consider them the top team in the West. Then 66-27 happened and I had to rethink that.
I understand what the score was, but I seriously doubt that MHB was that much better than what the score indicates. With that being said, I dropped them from 1 to 4...just ahead of St. John's. I think d3football's poll was a little excessive dropping them from 3rd to 9th.
My top 5 West teams
St. Thomas
UWW
UWO
Linfield
St. John's
If St. John's loses a close game next week to St. Thomas, I'll probably move them up in the rankings at least past Linfield. But if St. Thomas blows out St. John's (which I think is more likely to happen) I'll consider my rankings somewhat ahead of the curve then ;D
Think, or hope. Have your mind made up? I will be at the Perk Saturday, and "hope" to monitor The Holy Grail" on my phone. Think they'll post the score if the Johnnies "upset" the Tommies?
Quote from: retagent on September 20, 2016, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
I admit, I was the lone rep giving Linfield a first-place vote the first few weeks. I think I told myself that even if Linfield lost a close game to MHB, I would still consider them the top team in the West. Then 66-27 happened and I had to rethink that.
I understand what the score was, but I seriously doubt that MHB was that much better than what the score indicates. With that being said, I dropped them from 1 to 4...just ahead of St. John's. I think d3football's poll was a little excessive dropping them from 3rd to 9th.
My top 5 West teams
St. Thomas
UWW
UWO
Linfield
St. John's
If St. John's loses a close game next week to St. Thomas, I'll probably move them up in the rankings at least past Linfield. But if St. Thomas blows out St. John's (which I think is more likely to happen) I'll consider my rankings somewhat ahead of the curve then ;D
Think, or hope. Have your mind made up? I will be at the Perk Saturday, and "hope" to monitor The Holy Grail" on my phone. Think they'll post the score if the Johnnies "upset" the Tommies?
Since you're asking, I'm hoping the Johnnies win.
They better give score updates of that game at the perk
Number 9
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2016, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: retagent on September 20, 2016, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
I admit, I was the lone rep giving Linfield a first-place vote the first few weeks. I think I told myself that even if Linfield lost a close game to MHB, I would still consider them the top team in the West. Then 66-27 happened and I had to rethink that.
I understand what the score was, but I seriously doubt that MHB was that much better than what the score indicates. With that being said, I dropped them from 1 to 4...just ahead of St. John's. I think d3football's poll was a little excessive dropping them from 3rd to 9th.
My top 5 West teams
St. Thomas
UWW
UWO
Linfield
St. John's
If St. John's loses a close game next week to St. Thomas, I'll probably move them up in the rankings at least past Linfield. But if St. Thomas blows out St. John's (which I think is more likely to happen) I'll consider my rankings somewhat ahead of the curve then ;D
Think, or hope. Have your mind made up? I will be at the Perk Saturday, and "hope" to monitor The Holy Grail" on my phone. Think they'll post the score if the Johnnies "upset" the Tommies?
Since you're asking, I'm hoping the Johnnies win.
They better give score updates of that game at the perk
The message board operator is in our booth so I'll mention it to him and see if we can accommodate your request.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
I admit, I was the lone rep giving Linfield a first-place vote the first few weeks. I think I told myself that even if Linfield lost a close game to MHB, I would still consider them the top team in the West. Then 66-27 happened and I had to rethink that.
I understand what the score was, but I seriously doubt that MHB was that much better than what the score indicates. With that being said, I dropped them from 1 to 4...just ahead of St. John's. I think d3football's poll was a little excessive dropping them from 3rd to 9th.
My top 5 West teams
St. Thomas
UWW
UWO
Linfield
St. John's
If St. John's loses a close game next week to St. Thomas, I'll probably move them up in the rankings at least past Linfield. But if St. Thomas blows out St. John's (which I think is more likely to happen) I'll consider my rankings somewhat ahead of the curve then ;D
So no chance of St.John's winning? Think alot of people are sleeping on this team, I think they have a good chance of upsetting St.Thomas and showing the nation how good they really are.
Quote from: Greggers on September 21, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
I admit, I was the lone rep giving Linfield a first-place vote the first few weeks. I think I told myself that even if Linfield lost a close game to MHB, I would still consider them the top team in the West. Then 66-27 happened and I had to rethink that.
I understand what the score was, but I seriously doubt that MHB was that much better than what the score indicates. With that being said, I dropped them from 1 to 4...just ahead of St. John's. I think d3football's poll was a little excessive dropping them from 3rd to 9th.
My top 5 West teams
St. Thomas
UWW
UWO
Linfield
St. John's
If St. John's loses a close game next week to St. Thomas, I'll probably move them up in the rankings at least past Linfield. But if St. Thomas blows out St. John's (which I think is more likely to happen) I'll consider my rankings somewhat ahead of the curve then ;D
So no chance of St.John's winning? Think alot of people are sleeping on this team, I think they have a good chance of upsetting St.Thomas and showing the nation how good they really are.
Do they have a chance? Yes.
But I think we all can agree St. Thomas is favorites going into this game. I think Mr. Mom (OAC Pickems) set the line at -14.5, and AO set the MIAC line at -13.5.
A lot to consider this week. Looking forward on the next poll.
2016 Week 4 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (4) t1 76
2) St. Thomas (4) t1 73
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 65
4) UW-Platteville 6 53
5) Linfield 5 49
6) St. John's 4 44
7) Central 7 24
8) Dubuque 8 23
9) Monmouth 9 13
10) UW-Stevens Point 10 8
Dropped Out: None
RV) Whitworth (5), CMS (4), Coe (3)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
Still room for two more if anyone is interested.
1) UW-Whitewater (4) 76 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) St. Thomas (4) 73 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 65 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) UW-Platteville 53 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) Linfield 49 ( 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
6) St. John's 44 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) Central 24 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9)
8) Dubuque 23 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, -)
9) Monmouth 13 ( 8, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) UW-Stevens Point 8 ( 7, 8,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 5 ( 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 4 (10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Coe 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Interesting that St. Thomas lost a first place vote after knocking off it's rival (on the road) by 12. Maybe UWW winning by 14 against the NAIA's #2 team had something to do with that? I don't know....
Almost as interesting to me that St. John's dropped two spots. They lost a close game to a team ranked ahead of them. The game was played at pretty much the level of competition expected from teams with their rankings, unless other voters thought St. John's should have played UST closer?
True. I kept my top 10 the exact same as last week, even though St. John's lost. I've had St. John's at 6 since the preseason poll.
St Johns losing to St. Thomas seemed like a better loss than Linfield losing to UMHB. Somewhat surprised those two schools aren't flipped in the rankings.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 28, 2016, 09:10:00 AM
True. I kept my top 10 the exact same as last week, even though St. John's lost. I've had St. John's at 6 since the preseason poll.
I did too, but for swapping out Dubuque for Coe @ #10. I really don't know what to make of the IIAC yet. Central and Dubuque probably have the best wins, but Coe is blowing people out, and Wartburg is still Wartburg. I'll be in Vegas this weekend with a bunch of Wartburg & Simpson grads, so maybe I'll be able to convince them to stream some IIAC games while we're at the pool. Central/UD & Wartburg/Coe is a good weekend of football in Iowa.
Hope to get the poll out later today...still waiting on one more ballot.
I know the anticipation is just killing everyone! ;D
2016 Week 5 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (5) 1 77
2) St. Thomas (3) 2 73
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 65
4) UW-Platteville 4 52
5) Linfield 5 48
6) St. John's 6 45
7) Dubuque 8 30
8) Monmouth 9 20
9) UW- Stevens Point 10 12
10) Coe - 9
Dropped Out: Central
RV) CMS (5), Whitworth (4)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (5) 77 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) St. Thomas (3) 73 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 65 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) UW-Platteville 52 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5) Linfield 48 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) St. John's 45 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) Dubuque 30 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Monmouth 20 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10)
9) UW-Stevens Point 12 ( 7, 7, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Coe 9 ( 9, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) CMS 5 ( 8,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Looks like that quality win over UWP game UWW an addition first-place vote.
Also, we have a lot of common ground on who our top 10 should be, as there's only 2 teams receiving other votes this week. With Central dropping out it appears many of Central's votes went to Coe after their win over Wartburg (sorry wartknight :-\ ). Coe made the biggest jump from Receiving Votes (3) last week to 10th in the poll (9) this week.....leap frogging over CMS and Whitworth.
Some big games next week as our #1 hosts #3, and #9 hosts #4. If UWSP and UWO pull out the win (which is very possible) we'll probably see a big shake up.
I was the voter who pulled the switch on UWW over St. Thomas. It wasn't so much the one quality win over UWP, but a bit of a culmination of their performances so far, and not having much opportunity outside of the St. John's game to evaluate the Tommies. It's really close between St. Thomas/UWW for me right now, and I could see myself flip-flopping them throughout the rest of the season if they remain undefeated, and St. Thomas keeps beating everyone by 40.
I'd put Linfield behind SJU since we have never beat them they have the edge. :P
He must be drinking beer now.
2016 Week 6 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 80
2) UW-Oshkosh 3 70
3) St. Thomas 2 63
4) UW-Platteville 4 57
5) Linfield 5 46
6) St. John's 6 39
7) Dubuque 7 33
8) Monmouth 8 19
9) Coe 10 15
10) UW-Stevens Point 9 6
Dropped Out: None
RV) CMS (5), Concordia-Moorhead (4), UW-La Cross (2) Whitworth (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 80 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Oshkosh 70 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas 63 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4)
4) UW-Platteville 57 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) Linfield 46 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
6) St. John's 39 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, -)
7) Dubuque 33 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7)
8) Monmouth 19 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10)
9) Coe 15 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -)
10) UW-Stevens Point 6 ( 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 5 ( 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV UW-La Crosse 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
St. Thomas won and dropped, while Oshkosh lost and moved up. Of course that all has to do with Oshkosh taking UWW down to the final minute, and St. Thomas having troubles with C-Moorhead. Both UWO and C-Moorhead could have easily both won on Saturday, and it looks like the voters took that into consideration. Good work! ;D
I think that's what....3 years in a row now where the Cobbers suffered devastating last-second loses?
2014 - Bethel (might be the craziest ending to a game I've ever seen)
2015 - Gustavus Adolphus
2016 - St. Thomas
ok Who forgot St. Johns :o
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 12, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
ok Who forgot St. Johns :o
Yea, I think it was an oversight (by that individual), rather than something intentional.
2016 Week 7 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 80
2) UW-Oshkosh 2 70
3) St. Thomas 3 64
4) UW-Platteville 4 56
5) Linfield 5 46
6) St. John's 6 41
7) Coe 9 32
8) Monmouth 8 19
9) Dubuque 7 11
10) UW-La Crosse N/A 9
Dropped Out: UW-Stevens Point
RV) Concordia-Moorhead (7), Whitworth (4), UW-Stevens Point (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 80 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Oshkosh 70 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas 64 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) UW-Platteville 56 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) Linfield 46 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
6) St. John's 41 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 9)
7) Coe 32 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8)
8) Monmouth 19 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8,10,10,10)
9) Dubuque 11 ( 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) UW-La Crosse 9 ( 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 7 ( 7, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Not munch change in the top half of the poll this week. However, after a very strong showing at home against UWW, UWL rose to #10 in the poll (after receiving just 2 points the previous week). *It's hard to argue against that.
*I must admit though, I gave UWSP the lone vote, while leaving UWL off my ballot. I still think UWSP is the - slightly - better team. They have a chance to possibly prove that this weekend at UWW (potential upset alert). Then again the following weekend when Point goes to La Crosse.
I raised this on the D3 Fan Poll as well. What if UWW has come back to the pack a bit, rather than UWO, UWP and UWL, for that matter, having risen closer to the UWW we have seen recently?
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 10:08:07 AM
I raised this on the D3 Fan Poll as well. What if UWW has come back to the pack a bit, rather than UWO, UWP and UWL, for that matter, having risen closer to the UWW we have seen recently?
That's a legit question, and I usually hate this answer when it's given to me, but I think it really applies here. So I'll say it:
It's both I think
UWSP, UWL, UWP and UWO all just annihilated their non-conference opponents. Which is something you don't normally see from mid range WIAC teams like UWL or UWSP. UWL beat Luther last year by 7, this year by 31! Last year UWSP lost to Albion by 13, this year they won by 37! They usually do well against non-WIAC teams....but never
this well. UWW did beat 3 top 10 teams in a row, not sure what else they need to do to prove themselves.
However, UWW does have their fair share of holes though. Their offense doesn't seem to be quite in sync like we're used to seeing them. They seem to only show urgency when their backs are against the wall, and require a score to win. So far they've been able to come through. I think I've posted this before, UWW needs to play with that same urgency for the entire game. Not sure if that's on the play calling, the coaching or the players? Their defense, especially their secondary has been very suspect in a few games, injuries and inexperience has played a big roll in that I think. They are 6-0 against a brutal schedule so far, so it's hard to get too critical.
Their next game against Point is going to be really tough I think.
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 10:08:07 AM
I raised this on the D3 Fan Poll as well. What if UWW has come back to the pack a bit, rather than UWO, UWP and UWL, for that matter, having risen closer to the UWW we have seen recently?
Have wondered the same thing. Although, computer polling seem to be consistent with what we see in these fan polls. I like Massey (NESCAC excl.) a lot, and that seems to vaildate the WIAC strength. Less love for SJU and Conc than their WIAC cohorts with similar type losses.
Will be really curious to see how this shakes out in regional rankings. Could a 2 loss WIAC team supplant SJU or other potential 1 loss squads (Dubuque)as a 2nd pool C candidate out of the region? I realize Massey SOS is different than the NCAA methodology, but SJU has an SOS in the 150's right now, and it might not get much better. Should be interesting to see how it all factors in.
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 10:08:07 AM
I raised this on the D3 Fan Poll as well. What if UWW has come back to the pack a bit, rather than UWO, UWP and UWL, for that matter, having risen closer to the UWW we have seen recently?
I don't think UWW has regressed, but I would say the bottom half(ish) of the WIAC has. If you look at the way UWP, UWO, UWSP, and UWLAX have beaten up on the non-con opponents, it's pretty clear the top of the conference is dominant.
| Team | Opp #1 | Score | Opp #2 | Score | Opp #3 | Score | Avg MoV |
| UWW | TCNJ | 51-3 | Belhaven | 59-13 | Morningside | 35-21 | 36.0 |
| UWO | John Carroll | 33-14 | Finlandia | 68-7 | Morthland | 77-0 | 52.3 |
| UWP | George Fox | 35-0 | St. Francis | 26-7 | Lakeland | 56-0 | 36.7 |
| UWSP | St. Norbert | 37-14 | Albion | 50-13 | Adrian | 44-19 | 28.3 |
| UWLAX | Luther | 45-14 | Ripon | 65-14 | Carroll | 41-7 | 38.7 |
Quote from: miac952 on October 19, 2016, 10:35:22 AM
Have wondered the same thing. Although, computer polling seem to be consistent with what we see in these fan polls. I like Massey (NESCAC excl.) a lot, and that seems to vaildate the WIAC strength. Less love for SJU and Conc than their WIAC cohorts with similar type losses.
Will be really curious to see how this shakes out in regional rankings. Could a 2 loss WIAC team supplant SJU or other potential 1 loss squads (Dubuque)as a 2nd pool C candidate out of the region? I realize Massey SOS is different than the NCAA methodology, but SJU has an SOS in the 150's right now, and it might not get much better. Should be interesting to see how it all factors in.
If you average their ranking in the 15 different computer rating (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/composite-rankings) sites I know of, this is how the WIAC shakes out nationally:
| UWW | 1 |
| UWP | 4 |
| UWO | 5 |
| UWLAX | 13 |
| UWSP | 37 |
| UWSt | 71 |
| UWRF | 81 |
| UWEC | 145 |
As an aside, here's why the NCAA SoS metric is garbage (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/03/13/A-Treatise-on-Strength-of-Schedule).
I think the non-con schedule is what we have to look at, and there is some evidence that supports the relative strength of the WIAC. But, except for Morningside (we think) and maybe St Norbert, not a lot of worthy opponents to compare. I did see the UWW/Morningside game, and thought Morningside was a legit team based on my eye test.
Still, it seems as though the WIAC and the MIAC are similar in that the top teams and bottom teams are far apart. The "second tier" in the MIAC didn't look as good in the non-con part of the season, but may be on the upswing, particularly Concordia.
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
I think the non-con schedule is what we have to look at, and there is some evidence that supports the relative strength of the WIAC. But, except for Morningside (we think) and maybe St Norbert, not a lot of worthy opponents to compare. I did see the UWW/Morningside game, and thought Morningside was a legit team based on my eye test.
Still, it seems as though the WIAC and the MIAC are similar in that the top teams and bottom teams are far apart. The "second tier" in the MIAC didn't look as good in the non-con part of the season, but may be on the upswing, particularly Concordia.
To add to HansenRating's and my point, it's not just that their beating these non-conference teams...but it's the
way they're beating them. Yes, it is a little weak, but I would add John Carroll as a solid nonconference win for the WIAC (along with Morningside and St. Norbert). Teams like UWO, UWP, UWL and UWSP are beating lower level teams just like UWW, St. Thomas or MHB would be doing. Most of the top half of the WIAC's nonconference games aren't even close.
If those games were a lot closer, and if UWO/L/P/SP showed signs of struggling then I would probably agree to your "What if" statement. 2012 was a great example of UWW coming down a level (or 3), that would definitely apply to what you're saying.
Another way to look at this, each WIAC team's MoV over their non-con opponents relative to their opponents' average scoring margin.
| Team | Opp #1 | MoV-Avg | Opp #2 | MoV-Avg | Opp #3 | MoV-Avg | Avg Dif |
| UWW | TCNJ | +22.2 | Belhaven | +22.2 | Morningside | +65.2 | +36.5 |
| UWO | John Carroll | +45.8 | Finlandia | +33.7 | Morthland | +89.8 | +56.4 |
| UWP | George Fox | +49.8 | St. Francis | +24.8 | Lakeland | +58 | +44.2 |
| UWSP | St. Norbert | +51.6 | Albion | +26.6 | Adrian | +23.2 | +33.8 |
| UWLAX | Luther | +25.6 | Ripon | +40.3 | Carroll | +10.6 | +25.5 |
On average, these 5 teams beat their non-conference opponents by
31.3 points worse than every other team they played. We're looking at 15 opponents here. Of those 15 opponents, their game against a WIAC team was their worst scoring margin for 12 of the 15. It was at least their second-worst scoring margin for 15 of the 15 opponents. The 3 opponents where the margin wasn't the worst:
Belhaven vs. UWW
Finlandia vs. UWO
Carroll vs. UWLAX
Quote from: HansenRatings on October 19, 2016, 12:23:58 PM
Another way to look at this, each WIAC team's MoV over their non-con opponents relative to their opponents' average scoring margin.
| Team | Opp #1 | MoV-Avg | Opp #2 | MoV-Avg | Opp #3 | MoV-Avg | Avg Dif |
| UWW | TCNJ | +22.2 | Belhaven | +22.2 | Morningside | +65.2 | +36.5 |
| UWO | John Carroll | +45.8 | Finlandia | +33.7 | Morthland | +89.8 | +56.4 |
| UWP | George Fox | +49.8 | St. Francis | +24.8 | Lakeland | +58 | +44.2 |
| UWSP | St. Norbert | +51.6 | Albion | +26.6 | Adrian | +23.2 | +33.8 |
| UWLAX | Luther | +25.6 | Ripon | +40.3 | Carroll | +10.6 | +25.5 |
On average, these 5 teams beat their non-conference opponents by 31.3 points worse than every other team they played. We're looking at 15 opponents here. Of those 15 opponents, their game against a WIAC team was their worst scoring margin for 12 of the 15. It was at least their second-worst scoring margin for 15 of the 15 opponents. The 3 opponents where the margin wasn't the worst:
Belhaven vs. UWW
Finlandia vs. UWO
Carroll vs. UWLAX
Morthland skews this, because they actually have a positive scoring margin if you exclude their UWO game, but even if you exclude Morthland, the WIAC MoV over average would still be 27.1
Quote from: HansenRatings on October 19, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
As an aside, here's why the NCAA SoS metric is garbage (http://loganahansen21.wixsite.com/hansen-ratings/single-post/2016/03/13/A-Treatise-on-Strength-of-Schedule).
Required reading, tbh.
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
I think the non-con schedule is what we have to look at, and there is some evidence that supports the relative strength of the WIAC. But, except for Morningside (we think) and maybe St Norbert, not a lot of worthy opponents to compare. I did see the UWW/Morningside game, and thought Morningside was a legit team based on my eye test.
Still, it seems as though the WIAC and the MIAC are similar in that the top teams and bottom teams are far apart. The "second tier" in the MIAC didn't look as good in the non-con part of the season, but may be on the upswing, particularly Concordia.
I get the feeling, other than UMHB, all of the consistent D3 powers are down, at least from a dominant player or side of the ball perspective. It's actually what gives me hope for UWW.
I've certainly not watched every top D3 team this year, but I've caught video of quite a few. From Mt to St T to UWW and UWO, Wesley, NCC and Wheaton, Linfield and Wabash, I've not seen any player or side of the ball that showed dominance/greatness. I believe all or most of the teams mentioned above had greatness in one or more aspects of their team.
Not seeing it this year.
Quote from: emma17 on October 19, 2016, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
I think the non-con schedule is what we have to look at, and there is some evidence that supports the relative strength of the WIAC. But, except for Morningside (we think) and maybe St Norbert, not a lot of worthy opponents to compare. I did see the UWW/Morningside game, and thought Morningside was a legit team based on my eye test.
Still, it seems as though the WIAC and the MIAC are similar in that the top teams and bottom teams are far apart. The "second tier" in the MIAC didn't look as good in the non-con part of the season, but may be on the upswing, particularly Concordia.
I get the feeling, other than UMHB, all of the consistent D3 powers are down, at least from a dominant player or side of the ball perspective. It's actually what gives me hope for UWW.
I've certainly not watched every top D3 team this year, but I've caught video of quite a few. From Mt to St T to UWW and UWO, Wesley, NCC and Wheaton, Linfield and Wabash, I've not seen any player or side of the ball that showed dominance/greatness. I believe all or most of the teams mentioned above had greatness in one or more aspects of their team.
Not seeing it this year.
I've noticed the same thing. Seems to be a down year all around for D3, as for as teams being their normal dominate self. MHB might be the exception though. Maybe it's their year ???
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 20, 2016, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: emma17 on October 19, 2016, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: retagent on October 19, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
I think the non-con schedule is what we have to look at, and there is some evidence that supports the relative strength of the WIAC. But, except for Morningside (we think) and maybe St Norbert, not a lot of worthy opponents to compare. I did see the UWW/Morningside game, and thought Morningside was a legit team based on my eye test.
Still, it seems as though the WIAC and the MIAC are similar in that the top teams and bottom teams are far apart. The "second tier" in the MIAC didn't look as good in the non-con part of the season, but may be on the upswing, particularly Concordia.
I get the feeling, other than UMHB, all of the consistent D3 powers are down, at least from a dominant player or side of the ball perspective. It's actually what gives me hope for UWW.
I've certainly not watched every top D3 team this year, but I've caught video of quite a few. From Mt to St T to UWW and UWO, Wesley, NCC and Wheaton, Linfield and Wabash, I've not seen any player or side of the ball that showed dominance/greatness. I believe all or most of the teams mentioned above had greatness in one or more aspects of their team.
Not seeing it this year.
I've noticed the same thing. Seems to be a down year all around for D3, as for as teams being their normal dominate self. MHB might be the exception though. Maybe it's their year ???
Would agree with these comments specific to UST. I don't think this is a UST team on the same level as last year. A couple of injuries and the graduation of a couple key lineman and DB's has maybe dropped them a notch.
Playoffs are a funny business though. Would have never imagined the 2012 UST team going to the Stagg, especially after a last second miracle just to defeat Eau Claire to start the season, but sometimes the cards fall just right and a team gels. Will be interesting to see. Im all for exciting 1st and 2nd round playoff games and some parody, preferably not with my squad though ;D
If Erdman comes back from injury, the combo of him and Clark could be that sparkle you're looking for. Alvord to Clark has not been too bad either.
QuoteI've noticed the same thing. Seems to be a down year all around for D3, as for as teams being their normal dominate self. MHB might be the exception though. Maybe it's their year ???
Let's hope South gets sent North then.
2016 Week 8 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 80
2) UW-Oshkosh 2 70
3) St. Thomas 3 66
4) Linfield 5 49
5t) St. John's 6 44
5t) UW-Platteville 4 44
7) Coe 7 34
8) Monmouth 8 22
9) Dubuque 9 16
10) Concordia-Moorhead N/A 12
Dropped Out: UW-La Crosse
RV) UW-La Crosse (1), Whitworth (1), UW-Stevens Point (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 80 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Oshkosh 70 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas 66 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Linfield 49 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5t) St. John's 44 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 9)
5t) UW-Platteville 44 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7, 7, 8)
7) Coe 34 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Monmouth 22 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8,10,10)
9) Dubuque 16 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9,10)
10) Concordia-Moorhead 12 ( 7, 7, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) UW-La Crosse 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Only thirteen teams receiving votes, and each of the three not in the top 10 were placed last by their voter. That's dang close to a consensus.
I had UW-SP as my #10 team (but for the first time all year I didn't have 10 teams from the West in my national ballot). I just can't look past the loss by Concordia to Jamestown, even though it was the first week. To me, that loss is as bad as losing to Carleton/St. Olaf.
Quote from: HansenRatings on October 26, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
Only thirteen teams receiving votes, and each of the three not in the top 10 were placed last by their voter. That's dang close to a consensus.
I had UW-SP as my #10 team (but for the first time all year I didn't have 10 teams from the West in my national ballot). I just can't look past the loss by Concordia to Jamestown, even though it was the first week. To me, that loss is as bad as losing to Carleton/St. Olaf.
Point really disappointed me this past week. I really wanted to put UWL or UWSP in my top 10. However, when UWL lost to a bad UWEC team...there's no way I can justify putting UWL in my top 10. UWSP showed me no reason they belong in the top 10 after their offense (and special teams) failed to score a single point in Whitewater (even with UWW's banged up secondary that La Crosse lit up). I understand UWW is good, but UWSP was suppose to be at least competitive, and not give up 24 points at half. Also, by the sounds of it, the lead should have been a lot more than that if UWW receivers didn't drop as many balls as they did.
So I decided on Concordia-Moorhead as my 10th team. They at least put up a fight against the top team in their conference...and probably should have beaten St. Thomas. Which is
much more than I can say for Point against UWW. To me, it was a no brainer: CMH > Point
I'd love to hear the justification from whoever had St John's at #9.
I'm not sure they should be lower than #9 in the country, much less regional.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 26, 2016, 08:52:29 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on October 26, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
Only thirteen teams receiving votes, and each of the three not in the top 10 were placed last by their voter. That's dang close to a consensus.
I had UW-SP as my #10 team (but for the first time all year I didn't have 10 teams from the West in my national ballot). I just can't look past the loss by Concordia to Jamestown, even though it was the first week. To me, that loss is as bad as losing to Carleton/St. Olaf.
Point really disappointed me this past week. I really wanted to put UWL or UWSP in my top 10. However, when UWL lost to a bad UWEC team...there's no way I can justify putting UWL in my top 10. UWSP showed me no reason they belong in the top 10 after their offense (and special teams) failed to score a single point in Whitewater (even with UWW's banged up secondary that La Crosse lit up). I understand UWW is good, but UWSP was suppose to be at least competitive, and not give up 24 points at half. Also, by the sounds of it, the lead should have been a lot more than that if UWW receivers didn't drop as many balls as they did.
So I decided on Concordia-Moorhead as my 10th team. They at least put up a fight against the top team in their conference...and probably should have beaten St. Thomas. Which is much more than I can say for Point against UWW. To me, it was a no brainer: CMH > Point
Ditto for me for with CM @ #10. Same thought process as 02.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 26, 2016, 08:52:29 AM
Quote from: HansenRatings on October 26, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
Only thirteen teams receiving votes, and each of the three not in the top 10 were placed last by their voter. That's dang close to a consensus.
I had UW-SP as my #10 team (but for the first time all year I didn't have 10 teams from the West in my national ballot). I just can't look past the loss by Concordia to Jamestown, even though it was the first week. To me, that loss is as bad as losing to Carleton/St. Olaf.
Point really disappointed me this past week. I really wanted to put UWL or UWSP in my top 10. However, when UWL lost to a bad UWEC team...there's no way I can justify putting UWL in my top 10. UWSP showed me no reason they belong in the top 10 after their offense (and special teams) failed to score a single point in Whitewater (even with UWW's banged up secondary that La Crosse lit up). I understand UWW is good, but UWSP was suppose to be at least competitive, and not give up 24 points at half. Also, by the sounds of it, the lead should have been a lot more than that if UWW receivers didn't drop as many balls as they did.
So I decided on Concordia-Moorhead as my 10th team. They at least put up a fight against the top team in their conference...and probably should have beaten St. Thomas. Which is much more than I can say for Point against UWW. To me, it was a no brainer: CMH > Point
One of my observations of football that I have never verified statistically is the belief that the third of three consecutive high challenge/high emotion games is really a tough spot for a team. It's one of the reasons I feel like Oshkosh has been at a particularly difficult place in the schedule for UW-W the last couple of years. The game has come on the heels of Morningside and Platteville. UW-W got through it this year. Last year, not so much. This year, Point came to Whitewater on the heels of Platteville and Oshkosh. Not to take any credit at all from UW-W, that was a tough spot for Point.
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 26, 2016, 09:40:53 AM
I'd love to hear the justification from whoever had St John's at #9.
I'm not sure they should be lower than #9 in the country, much less regional.
Based on St. John's performance against St. Thomas, at home, they are the third best MIAC team if you compare that to Concordia's performance against St. Thomas, at home. I don't think that the second, or third for that matter, best MIAC teams are better than the top three WIAC teams just based on the fact that the WIAC has tougher schedules. Also, I'm not going to put St. John's ahead of Linfield (Reputation) or Coe (UNDEFEATED) so that's how St. John's ends up 8 in my poll this week. Probably shouldn't have had them at 9 last week, that was an oversight on my part, but I can't see them any higher than 8 until they show us something against a quality opponent...or someone above them lays an egg.
Someone - like Linfield?
How can you make that assumption when really the WIAC has built their reputation on having whitewater be a top 2 team and assuming that because platteville and Oshkosh played them close they are all really good? Maybe Whitewater is not the team we think? Hard to make judgements when really nobody has played anyone. I think the playoffs should be more competitive this year then possibly the past 5 years
Quote from: retagent on November 01, 2016, 09:56:46 AM
Someone - like Linfield?
Or Concordia... against Jamestown.
Although I absolutely believe this Concordia team is much better than week 1, but if the polls are based on performance to date this year, I'd have a very hard time putting Concordia above St John's. The rest of the explanation could make sense. I think St John's is actually a very strong team and would not want to have to face them again.
UW-P has two really nice looking losses, but I don't think that's going to help them in the RR and I think they'll be (and maybe should be?) on the outside looking in until they can knock off UW-O or UW-W.
Quote from: jamtoTommie on November 01, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: retagent on November 01, 2016, 09:56:46 AM
Someone - like Linfield?
Or Concordia... against Jamestown.
Although I absolutely believe this Concordia team is much better than week 1, but if the polls are based on performance to date this year, I'd have a very hard time putting Concordia above St John's. The rest of the explanation could make sense. I think St John's is actually a very strong team and would not want to have to face them again.
UW-P has two really nice looking losses, but I don't think that's going to help them in the RR and I think they'll be (and maybe should be?) on the outside looking in until they can knock off UW-O or UW-W.
Platteville got massive help this week when Wartburg beat Dubuque. That's going to bump UW-P up to, at worst, third in the at-large line from the West region which gives them a shot. Dubuque getting home at 9-1 almost certainly would have kept UW-P from having any chance at all at making the field.
RE: "good" losses- I think it's easy to get seduced by "good" losses, which usually translates to "not getting squashed by a top 5 team", but I'd still prefer to see a quality win in there somewhere, which UW-P doesn't have this time around. We're going to have a similar thought problem in the North Region after John Carroll loses to Mount Union- JCU is going to have losses to two of the best teams in the division and absolutely nothing noteworthy amongst their 8 wins. What do you do with that? It's difficult to sort through.
Quote from: Greggers on November 01, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
How can you make that assumption when really the WIAC has built their reputation on having whitewater be a top 2 team and assuming that because platteville and Oshkosh played them close they are all really good? Maybe Whitewater is not the team we think? Hard to make judgements when really nobody has played anyone. I think the playoffs should be more competitive this year then possibly the past 5 years
But that's
not why the WIAC has the reputation they do. The WIAC did really well against non conference teams this season. This was discussed a few pages back (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8239.msg1761069#msg1761069). The #2 team in the WIAC beat the #2 team in the OAC by 3 touchdowns this year. Also, when UWW doesn't make a post season run, usually another WIAC team takes its place with a deep playoff push (i.e. Oshkosh - 2012)
I do agree with you about the playoffs being more competitive this year. UWW does have some holes, as does Linfield, St. Thomas and Mount Union. Maybe that means this is MHB's year?
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 01, 2016, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Greggers on November 01, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
How can you make that assumption when really the WIAC has built their reputation on having whitewater be a top 2 team and assuming that because platteville and Oshkosh played them close they are all really good? Maybe Whitewater is not the team we think? Hard to make judgements when really nobody has played anyone. I think the playoffs should be more competitive this year then possibly the past 5 years
But that's not why the WIAC has the reputation they do. The WIAC did really well against non conference teams this season. This was discussed a few pages back (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8239.msg1761069#msg1761069). The #2 team in the WIAC beat the #2 team in the OAC by 3 touchdowns this year. Also, when UWW doesn't make a post season run, usually another WIAC team takes its place with a deep playoff push (i.e. Oshkosh - 2012)
Agree. I'm often defending "the little guy" on the boards and/or saying we shouldn't judge teams solely by the league they play in, but the WIAC's non-Whitewater teams have done plenty in recent years to show there's usually a second (and sometimes a third) top-20 caliber team lurking behind UWW. Oshkosh won two playoff games last year (including a 42-7 romp over the OAC runner-up) before lsoing to UWW in the quarters. Platteville beat North Central in a high-profile non-league game last year. Stevens Point beat North Central in the same kind of game in 2014. Platteville won a playoff game in 2013. Oshkosh, as noted, went to the semifinals in 2012 during UWW's hiccup year. No doubt that UWW is the driving force behind the league's reputation as a powerhouse, but the rest of the league is as good as any from #2 on down, and probably better.
I do think some WIAC fans may overestimate their league as a whole, believing that the entire league would beat champions from some of the lesser leagues, and I don't think that's necessarily true. But the #2, #3, and #4 teams from the WIAC are surely as good or better than the 2-3-4 teams from any other league, and I think we have enough evidence by now to know that in a given year the WIAC generally produces several top-25-caliber teams.
Incidentally, the OAC used to be able to make a similar claim (in the early 00's, there was a long tradition of OAC #2's getting into the playoffs and crushing everyone they played until hitting Mount again in the quarters or semis). The last few years have shown us that the rest of the OAC is now quite ordinary.
Quote from: Greggers on November 01, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
How can you make that assumption when really the WIAC has built their reputation on having whitewater be a top 2 team and assuming that because platteville and Oshkosh played them close they are all really good? Maybe Whitewater is not the team we think? Hard to make judgements when really nobody has played anyone. I think the playoffs should be more competitive this year then possibly the past 5 years
You would have to ignore quite a few results this year and in the past to believe that UW-P and UW-O are not really good or that UW-W is not the team we think. It's always hard to make judgements about what will happen in the future. But there is definitely evidence out there. Both UW-W and UW-O made it to the quarters last year and UW-W made it to the semi's. UW-O handled OAC #2 easily. I know this all has been mentioned. But also, UW-W beat the NAIA #2 (at the time and current #5), Morningside by two touchdowns. Morningside went on the beat Doane, the team that displaced them at #2, 69-7. We can pooh pooh the NAIA if we want, but Morningside is a good football team.
LINFIELD layed their egg in the 2nd half in Belton.
2016 Week 9 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 80
2) UW-Oshkosh 2 70
3) St. Thomas 3 66
4) Linfield 4 51
5) St. John's 5t 44
6) UW-Platteville 5t 43
7) Coe 7 35
8) Monmouth 8 24
9) Concordia-Moorhead 10 15
10) UW-Stevens Point N/A 4
Dropped Out: Dubuque
RV) Whitworth (3), Central (2), Redlands (2), Dubuque (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 80 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Oshkosh 70 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas 66 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Linfield 51 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5) St. John's 44 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8)
6) UW-Platteville 43 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7, 8)
7) Coe 35 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8)
8) Monmouth 24 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9)
9) Concordia-Moorhead 15 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
10) UW-Stevens Point 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Surprised I'm the only vote for Central. Looking at their results versus mutual opponents between them and Dubuque, it seems like they're probably the better team to me, and in their game against DBQ, they probably played better overall if you ignore their fluky turnover performance.
I can see Redlands sneaking in on some ballots, and it makes sense, but the Trinity loss is "meh" and they're winning a lot of close games by 1-score margins, so I'm not convinced they're that good.
I'm not sure about any of the schools outside the WIAC, MIAC, and Linfield. Is Coe really any good? The 2015 conference winner got stomped by STJ in Round 1 but in other years the league has been a tough out. Monmouth is a real question mark as it would seem that if they played in a different conference that they wouldn't be undefeated at this point. CM gets a vote because they played STU so tough.
I voted for Redlands because... well... wasn't impressed with Whitworth enough which puts Central right with them and who knows about Dubuque... Probably a bunch of teams that are about the same...
I did move Linfield up ahead of UWP given their performance on Saturday. That was a Linfield performance that we are used to seeing and if they can sustain that level of play they are going to be a tough out. George Fox has played everyone tough this year (including UWP - I went to the game) and Linfield simply destroyed them. We will see if it can carry forward over the next two weeks.
2016 Week 10 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (5) 1 75
2) UW-Oshkosh 2 70
3) St. Thomas (3) 3 69
4) Linfield 4 54
5) St. John's 5 43
6) UW-Platteville 6 40
7) Coe 7 35
8) Monmouth 8 24
9) Concordia-Moorhead 9 17
10) Redlands N/A 6
Dropped Out: Dubuque
RV) Central (2), UW-Stevens Point (2), Whitworth (1), Dubuque (1), Northwester (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (5) 75 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4)
2) UW-Oshkosh 70 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas (3) 69 ( 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Linfield 54 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5) St. John's 43 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8)
6) UW-Platteville 40 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7, -)
7) Coe 35 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8)
8) Monmouth 24 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9)
9) Concordia-Moorhead 17 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, -)
10) Redlands 6 ( 8,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Northwestern 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Is Coe correctly ranked? Seems some years the top team from their conference is really good and other years not so much.
Does Monmouth deserve its ranking? Should they be higher given how they have dominated their competition this season except for a close game vs Wartburg?
I'm not sure the gap between Linfield and St Thomas is as big now as it was 2-3 weeks ago. The Cats seem to have gotten things fixed while St Thomas doesn't seem to be nearly as dominant as last year (but I have only watched their one game vs St. Johns).
Not sure why anyone would rank UWW #4 given what they have done on the field this year in beating so many outstanding teams..
All good questions. I ranked Monmouth (7) ahead of Coe (8) in my poll. I've been high on Monmouth since the beginning of the year. I've had them in my top 10 each week since the Preseason poll.
Regarding UWW, I was one of the three that bumped St. Thomas ahead of UWW after last week. UWW is extremely banged up now, and it's beginning to show on the field (it took OT to get a win at home against UWRF). Because of some injuries, I don't think they're the same team that beat those good teams earlier in the year. That's why I dropped them down one place to #2.
Since the close call at Concordia-Moorhead, St. Thomas seems to have their act together as they've destroyed their competition the last three weeks. I expect another blowout against St. Olaf tomorrow. It appears the Tommies will finish the regular season undefeated in the 2nd best conference in the nation (and looking good doing it down the stretch).
Linfield has been playing better too, but the NWC seems down this season. I think D3football has the NWC ranked 7th, when they're usually ranked 3rd or 4th in the previous rankings. Plus that blowout loss against MHB still looms in people's minds.
My Top 5:
1. St. Thomas - Undefeated in a very strong conference, and picking up steam at the right time.
2. UWW - Great wins early on, but injuries might be catching up to them.
3. UWO - Has a good chance of beating UWW if they played now. But that's just hypothetical, truth is they already lost to them.
4. Linfield - I guess the playoffs will tell us if they can compete against a top tiered team. Redemption!?!?!
5. UWP - A very good team that has two close losses to UWW and UWO, and has blown out everyone else in the #1 conference.
Rest of my poll:
6. St. John's
7. Monmouth
8. Coe
9. Concordia-Moorhead
10. Redlands
You can make a strong argument for the Johnnies as #5 and UWP #6. That's almost a toss up to me.
2016 Final Regular Season West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 79
2) UW-Oshkosh 2 69
3) St. Thomas (1) 3 68
4) Linfield 4 48
5) St. John's 5 47
6) UW-Platteville 6 46
7) Coe 7 32
8) Monmouth 8 27
9) Redlands 10 13
10) Central N/A 5
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead
RV) Concordia-Moorhead (3), Whitworth (2), Northwestern (1)
Thanks to those for participating: art76, doolittledog, Walla Walla Wildcat, desertcat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScott, wartnight and 02 Warhawk
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 79 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) UW-Oshkosh 69 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) St. Thomas (1) 68 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Linfield 48 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
5) St. John's 47 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 46 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 8)
7) Coe 32 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Monmouth 27 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8)
9) Redlands 13 ( 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -)
10) Central 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Northwestern 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
2017 Preseaon West Fan Poll
Rank Team Points
1t) UW-Whitewater (3) 81
1t) St. Thomas (3) 81
3) UW-Oshkosh (3) 79
4) Linfield 58
5) St. John's 55
6) UW-Platteville 41
7) Redlands 24
8) Whitworth 17
9) Monmouth 14
10) Coe 13
RV) Concordia-Moorhead (10), Wartburg (7), Dubuque (6), UW-Stevens Point (3), Lake Forest (2), Central (1), UW-Lacrosse (1), St. Norbert (1), Northwestern (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot and 02 Warhawk. I didn't receive a poll from one other person who said he'll participate (I'll factor it in if I receive it).
Thanks!
1t) UW-Whitewater (3) 81 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
1t) St. Thomas (3) 81 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh (3) 79 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4)
4) Linfield 58 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6)
5) St. John's 55 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 41 ( 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, -, -)
7) Redlands 24 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
8) Whitworth 17 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, -, -, -, -)
9) Monmouth 14 ( 7, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Coe 13 ( 7, 7, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 10 ( 7, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 7 ( 6, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 6 ( 7,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Lacrosse 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Northwestern 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 29, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
2017 Preseaon West Fan Poll
Rank Team Points
1) St. Thomas (3) 64
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 63
3) UW-Oshkosh (2) 60
4) Linfield 46
5) St. John's 43
6) UW-Platteville 29
7) Redlands 20
8) Whitworth 14
9) Monmouth 13
10) Wartburg 7
RV) Coe (6), Concordia-Moorhead (6), Dubuque (5), UW-Stevens Point (3), Lake Forest (2), Central (1), UW-Lacrosse (1), St. Norbert (1), Northwestern (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot and 02 Warhawk. I didn't receive polls from three people who said they are participating this year (I'll factor them in if I receive them in the next day or two).
Thanks!
02-Not sure what happened to my ballot (shows as sent to you). I will resend
Quote from: wartknight on August 29, 2017, 10:07:44 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 29, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
2017 Preseaon West Fan Poll
Rank Team Points
1) St. Thomas (3) 64
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 63
3) UW-Oshkosh (2) 60
4) Linfield 46
5) St. John's 43
6) UW-Platteville 29
7) Redlands 20
8) Whitworth 14
9) Monmouth 13
10) Wartburg 7
RV) Coe (6), Concordia-Moorhead (6), Dubuque (5), UW-Stevens Point (3), Lake Forest (2), Central (1), UW-Lacrosse (1), St. Norbert (1), Northwestern (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot and 02 Warhawk. I didn't receive polls from three people who said they are participating this year (I'll factor them in if I receive them in the next day or two).
Thanks!
02-Not sure what happened to my ballot (shows as sent to you). I will resend
Sorry, I see it now. I guess it's preseason for all of us :-[
I went ahead and updated the two tables above. Sorry about that.
2017 Preseaon West Fan Poll
Rank Team Points
1t) UW-Whitewater (3) 81
1t) St. Thomas (3) 81
3) UW-Oshkosh (3) 79
4) Linfield 58
5) St. John's 55
6) UW-Platteville 41
7) Redlands 24
8) Whitworth 17
9) Monmouth 14
10) Coe 13
RV) Concordia-Moorhead (10), Wartburg (7), Dubuque (6), UW-Stevens Point (3), Lake Forest (2), Central (1), UW-Lacrosse (1), St. Norbert (1), Northwestern (1)
Just received a late entry which made this poll real interesting. Looks like there's little doubt on who we - collectively - think the top 3 teams are. However, we're split equally on who we think deserves that top spot.
I would like to hear the argument for UWO being first. Yes, they made the Stagg Bowl, but they never avenged their loss to UWW, and the strength of their team (Defense, specifically the secondary) only returns one starter. Hard to justify them ahead of UST (UWO was +8 in turnover margin against UST last season, and only won by 3) or UWW (who returns twice as many starters, and beat UWO in their only matchup last year) to me.
I suppose it's the same justification that has so many people putting UMHB in the #1 spot this year.
Quote from: HansenRatings on August 31, 2017, 12:09:03 PM
I would like to hear the argument for UWO being first. Yes, they made the Stagg Bowl, but they never avenged their loss to UWW, and the strength of their team (Defense, specifically the secondary) only returns one starter. Hard to justify them ahead of UST (UWO was +8 in turnover margin against UST last season, and only won by 3) or UWW (who returns twice as many starters, and beat UWO in their only matchup last year) to me.
I have my top 3 at:
1. St. Thomas - A lot of talent returning from last season. Not including maybe the best back in DIII (Roberts) who didn't play last year.
2. UWW - Bringing back a decent amount as well, but I have some concerns (especially on offense).
3. UWO - Losing 10 on defense is really tough, but still worthy of being #3 because they bring a ton back on offense.
My biggest surprise was seeing UWP ranked as high as #3, then having two people leave them off their poll entirely. I'm not saying one is right and the other is wrong...but it's interesting to see that big of a disparity.
2017 Week 1 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (3) t1 84
2) UW-Oshkosh (5) 3 81
3) St. John's 5 65
4) Linfield 4 53
5) UW-Platteville 6 47
6) UW-Whitewater t1 45
7) Whitworth 8 39
8) Redlands 7 21
9) Coe (1) 10 15
10) Monmouth 9 12
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) Concordia-Moorhead (11), Dubuque (11), Wartburg (5), Lake Forest (5), UW-Lacrosse (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. Thomas (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Oshkosh (5) 81 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 7)
3) St. John's 65 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
4) Linfield 53 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, -)
5) UW-Platteville 47 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 8, 9,10)
6) UW-Whitewater 45 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, -)
7) Whitworth 39 ( 3, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) Redlands 21 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
9) Coe (1) 15 ( 1, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 12 ( 4, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 11 ( 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 11 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 5 ( 7,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Lacrosse 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: HansenRatings on August 31, 2017, 12:09:03 PM
I would like to hear the argument for UWO being first. Yes, they made the Stagg Bowl, but they never avenged their loss to UWW, and the strength of their team (Defense, specifically the secondary) only returns one starter. Hard to justify them ahead of UST (UWO was +8 in turnover margin against UST last season, and only won by 3) or UWW (who returns twice as many starters, and beat UWO in their only matchup last year) to me.
Yes, UWO lost a lot on defense, but they returned a bunch on offense. So much so that I think they can outscore their defense in their big games.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 06, 2017, 02:38:42 PM
1) St. Thomas (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Oshkosh (5) 81 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 7)
3) St. John's 65 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
4) Linfield 53 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, -)
5) UW-Platteville 47 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 8, 9,10)
6) UW-Whitewater 45 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, -)
7) Whitworth 39 ( 3, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) Redlands 21 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
9) Coe 15 ( 1, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 12 ( 4, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 11 ( 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 11 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 5 ( 7,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Lacrosse 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Whoa... I know I was a skeptic of UW-O as a 1st place team last week, but #7? That seems a bit low after winning a (more convincing that appears at first glance) game against a semifinalist from last season.
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 06, 2017, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 06, 2017, 02:38:42 PM
1) St. Thomas (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Oshkosh (5) 81 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 7)
3) St. John's 65 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
4) Linfield 53 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, -)
5) UW-Platteville 47 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 8, 9,10)
6) UW-Whitewater 45 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, -)
7) Whitworth 39 ( 3, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) Redlands 21 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
9) Coe 15 ( 1, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 12 ( 4, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 11 ( 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 11 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 5 ( 7,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Lacrosse 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Whoa... I know I was a skeptic of UW-O as a 1st place team last week, but #7? That seems a bit low after winning a (more convincing that appears at first glance) game against a semifinalist from last season.
Wow. If UWO had been ranked 1st or 2cd like with all the other votes then it would be number 1 in the region. If it had been ranked 3 then they would have been first. Ranked fourth and they're in a tie.
It's almost as if there is some gamesmanship going on with these rankings. Integrity check, anyone?
Quote from: OzJohnnie on September 06, 2017, 11:15:14 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 06, 2017, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 06, 2017, 02:38:42 PM
1) St. Thomas (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Oshkosh (5) 81 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 7)
3) St. John's 65 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
4) Linfield 53 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, -)
5) UW-Platteville 47 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 8, 9,10)
6) UW-Whitewater 45 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, -)
7) Whitworth 39 ( 3, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) Redlands 21 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
9) Coe 15 ( 1, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 12 ( 4, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 11 ( 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 11 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 5 ( 7,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Lacrosse 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Whoa... I know I was a skeptic of UW-O as a 1st place team last week, but #7? That seems a bit low after winning a (more convincing that appears at first glance) game against a semifinalist from last season.
Wow. If UWO had been ranked 1st or 2cd like with all the other votes then it would be number 1 in the region. If it had been ranked 3 then they would have been first. Ranked fourth and they're in a tie.
It's almost as if there is some gamesmanship going on with these rankings. Integrity check, anyone?
I'm wondering if the 1 voter that ranked Coe #1 was also the person that ranked Oshkosh #7. And I also wonder if they may have accidently got those two picks backwards.
Dang. Although I prefer the salacious intrigue of underhanded dealings, I think you've actually got it right, doolittledog.
It's a good poll, by the way. I like to check it out every week. So thanks to all who put time into it.
At first glance I suspected a troll among the group just having a little fun at this poll's expense...but after talking to the individual, he seems genuine. He's new to the D3 world so he's just getting his feet wet, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. His preseason poll was pretty consistent with everyone else's, but for some reason he put his Week 1 picks in a blender. We'll see how things go after next week's games.
Also, I picked up a 10th person, so we'll have a full committee (10 participants) starting in week 2.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 07, 2017, 08:19:14 AM
At first glance I suspected a troll among the group just having a little fun at this poll's expense...but after talking to the individual, he seems genuine. He's new to the D3 world so he's just getting his feet wet, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. His preseason poll was pretty consistent with everyone else's, but for some reason he put his Week 1 picks in a blender. We'll see how things go after next week's games.
Also, I picked up a 10th person, so we'll have a full committee (10 participants) starting in week 2.
Maybe he'll end up keeping us honest, pointing out our subconscious biases.
2017 Week 2 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 2 97
2) St. John's 3 84
3) Linfield 4 70
4) UW-Platteville 5 57
5) St. Thomas 1 55
6) Concordia-Moorhead NR 46
7) Whitworth 7 40
8) UW-Stout NR 28
9) Coe (1) 9 25
10) Redlands 8 19
Dropped Out: UW-Whitewater, Monmouth
RV) Dubuque (8), Wartburg (8), UW-Whitewater (7), Lake Forest (3), UW-La Crosse (2), UW-Stevens Point (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 97 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4)
2) St. John's 84 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4)
3) Linfield 70 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, -)
4) UW-Platteville 57 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, -, -)
5) St. Thomas 55 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 9)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 46 ( 3, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 9,10)
7) Whitworth 40 ( 4, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9)
8) UW-Stout 28 ( 2, 4, 5, 8,10,10,10, -, -, -)
9) Coe (1) 25 ( 1, 6, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Redlands 19 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 8 ( 7, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 8 ( 6, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Whitewater 7 ( 7, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Lacrosse 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stevens Point 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Thanks for adding me. My biggest choice was making either Coe or Wartburg my #10. I still have UW-W ranked, but barely.
Do we have a result this week.
2017 Week 3 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 1 95
2) St. John's 2 89
3) UW-Platteville 4 62
4) Concordia-Moorhead 6 57
5) St. Thomas 5 54
6) Linfield 3 53
7) Whitworth 7 48
8) UW-Stout 8 37
9) Coe (1) 9 24
10) Wartburg N/A 12
Dropped Out: Redlands
RV) UW-Whitewater (10), Dubuque (7), Lake Forest (1), Cal Lutheran (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
I'll post the poll's voting details probably tomorrow.
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 95 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 6)
2) St. John's 89 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Platteville 62 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 7, -)
4) Concordia-Moorhead 57 ( 2, 3, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
5) St. Thomas 54 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 9, -)
6) Linfield 53 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8, 9)
7) Whitworth 48 ( 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) UW-Stout 37 ( 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8,10, -, -)
9) Coe (1) 24 ( 1, 7, 9, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) Wartburg 12 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Whitewater 10 ( 7, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 7 ( 8, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
It's a shame it isn't possible to hear the reasoning for some votes, like Coe in 1st and UST not even ranked. I don't want to argue but am genuinely interested in the reasoning as I can't see it. But it does give me some pleasure to see UST out of it.
Also, it is nice to see the variety in the voting. It shows that people aren't just picking with the crowd.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on September 21, 2017, 05:20:54 PM
It's a shame it isn't possible to hear the reasoning for some votes, like Coe in 1st and UST not even ranked. I don't want to argue but am genuinely interested in the reasoning as I can't see it. But it does give me some pleasure to see UST out of it.
Also, it is nice to see the variety in the voting. It shows that people aren't just picking with the crowd.
I'm guessing that at least one voter may be of the mindset that 0 losses in the current season means more than any past year's performance.
I'm pleasantly surprised - not that polls mean mushrooms to a cow pie - that d3.com and you voters have graced LINFIELD with faith.
Quote from: D O.C. on September 22, 2017, 12:57:38 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised - not that polls mean mushrooms to a cow pie - that d3.com and you voters have graced LINFIELD with faith.
As far as the West goes, Linfield is benefiting from the West being down this year to start the season. UWW and St. Thomas already have 3 losses (all to unranked teams). I have Linfield at 3, and it looks like that's the highest among our voters. The fact they lost to the best team in the country didn't change my opinion of them too much. I had Linfield as my #2 team prior to that game.
My Top 3UWO
St. John's
Linfield
I think there's a big drop off after UWO and St. John's in the West. UWP's defense hasn't been impressive (against 2 unranked teams), but luckily their offense has bailed them out in their first two games. I have them 4th. I don't think UWW is that good this year, so that's why I'm not very high on Concordia-Moorhead. Whitworth, I'm still waiting to see how that defense holds up against good competition. Next week will be a great test in Linfield.
Interested to see how the poll stacks up this week. There's a lot of moving parts with Coe, who received a 1st place vote, losing. Along with the #2 team also losing. Looking at head to head we have:
Stout > St. Thomas > St. John's
Looking forward to see how this is interpreted among our voters.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 11:35:40 AM
There's a lot of moving parts with Coe, who received a 1st place vote, losing.
Might as well have lit that vote on fire.
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 25, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 11:35:40 AM
There's a lot of moving parts with Coe, who received a 1st place vote, losing.
Might as well have lit that vote on fire.
With Fred Jackson's current free agent status maybe he was thinking he could come back to Coe? ;D Can't surmise any other explanation
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 11:35:40 AM
Interested to see how the poll stacks up this week. There's a lot of moving parts with Coe, who received a 1st place vote, losing. Along with the #2 team also losing. Looking at head to head we have:
Stout > St. Thomas > St. John's
Looking forward to see how this is interpreted among our voters.
Yeah, kind of a strange week with the schedule. While Tommie/Johnnie got all the attention, so many other top teams were idle that it's really hard to have formed any further opinions on teams. Glad we'll be getting into the first full week of conference games now. We'll get clarity on the WIAC teams over the next two weeks, and Linfield/Whitworth this week will be big too.
Yup...
Stout/Platteville - See if that St. Thomas game was a fluke.
Oshkosh/Whitewater - If UWW gets spanked, I think we're seeing an end of an era for the Hawks.
La Crosse/Point - Winner could be the 3rd best team in the WIAC.
Whitworth/Linfield - Good measuring stick for the Pirates
Coe/Wartburg - Winner is in the driver's seat for the IIAC title.
All big games in the West this weekend
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Yup...
Stout/Platteville - See if that St. Thomas game was a fluke.
Oshkosh/Whitewater - If UWW gets spanked, I think we're seeing an end of an era for the Hawks.
La Crosse/Point - Winner could be the 3rd best team in the WIAC.
Whitworth/Linfield - Good measuring stick for the Pirates
Coe/Wartburg - Winner is in the driver's seat for the IIAC title.
All big games in the West this weekend
I was looking through some of my numbers today, because I noticed that UWO is a 11.5-point favorite against UWW (seems high, but bear with me)
The last three times UWW was an underdog were all to Mount Union in Stagg Bowls.
The last time they were an underdog in the regular season was 2004 (twice). They won both games.
The last time they were a double-digit underdog in a WIAC contest was 2000.
Unless they right the ship quickly, it already feels like the end of an era.
I think Stout's win against St. Thomas won't move Stout ahead of St. John's. A three-point win at home is probably the margin of home-field advantage (I think, Logan knows.)
The best team doesn't always win, and Stout's got two big games coming up after a two-week delay. (Yikes..)
Quote from: smedindy on September 25, 2017, 11:18:50 PM
I think Stout's win against St. Thomas won't move Stout ahead of St. John's. A three-point win at home is probably the margin of home-field advantage (I think, Logan knows.)
The best team doesn't always win, and Stout's got two big games coming up after a two-week delay. (Yikes..)
Yes, average home-field advantage is nearly exactly 3 points. I started doing team-specific home field advantages this year, too. That game had an approximate HFA of only 2.3 points. Both Stout & UST have slightly below-average HFA.
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 26, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
Quote from: smedindy on September 25, 2017, 11:18:50 PM
I think Stout's win against St. Thomas won't move Stout ahead of St. John's. A three-point win at home is probably the margin of home-field advantage (I think, Logan knows.)
The best team doesn't always win, and Stout's got two big games coming up after a two-week delay. (Yikes..)
Yes, average home-field advantage is nearly exactly 3 points. I started doing team-specific home field advantages this year, too. That game had an approximate HFA of only 2.3 points. Both Stout & UST have slightly below-average HFA.
Stout was +25.5* dogs that game. Even with the game being played in Menomonie, you still would think St. Thomas should have won by multiple TDs.
I'm ok if someone wants to put Stout ahead of St. John's (and even St. Thomas). Head to head matchups are very definitive to me. Yes, I agree the best team doesn't always win...however the game still has to be played, even though we all know who the better team is before kickoff.
*AO (MIAC Pickems)
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 25, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Yup...
Stout/Platteville - See if that St. Thomas game was a fluke.
Oshkosh/Whitewater - If UWW gets spanked, I think we're seeing an end of an era for the Hawks.
La Crosse/Point - Winner could be the 3rd best team in the WIAC.
Whitworth/Linfield - Good measuring stick for the Pirates
Coe/Wartburg - Winner is in the driver's seat for the IIAC title.
All big games in the West this weekend
I was looking through some of my numbers today, because I noticed that UWO is a 11.5-point favorite against UWW (seems high, but bear with me)
The last three times UWW was an underdog were all to Mount Union in Stagg Bowls.
The last time they were an underdog in the regular season was 2004 (twice). They won both games.
The last time they were a double-digit underdog in a WIAC contest was 2000.
Unless they right the ship quickly, it already feels like the end of an era.
Looking for the silver lining here. Maybe the underdog role fits UWW. How did UWW fare in those 3 underdog roles vs. Mt?
I assume one of the 3 underdog years was 2007 (one of greatest UWW wins of all time). What were the other years? I'll guess 2006 (L) and maybe 2010 (w injured QB issue).
Quote from: emma17 on September 26, 2017, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 25, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Yup...
Stout/Platteville - See if that St. Thomas game was a fluke.
Oshkosh/Whitewater - If UWW gets spanked, I think we're seeing an end of an era for the Hawks.
La Crosse/Point - Winner could be the 3rd best team in the WIAC.
Whitworth/Linfield - Good measuring stick for the Pirates
Coe/Wartburg - Winner is in the driver's seat for the IIAC title.
All big games in the West this weekend
I was looking through some of my numbers today, because I noticed that UWO is a 11.5-point favorite against UWW (seems high, but bear with me)
The last three times UWW was an underdog were all to Mount Union in Stagg Bowls.
The last time they were an underdog in the regular season was 2004 (twice). They won both games.
The last time they were a double-digit underdog in a WIAC contest was 2000.
Unless they right the ship quickly, it already feels like the end of an era.
Looking for the silver lining here. Maybe the underdog role fits UWW. How did UWW fare in those 3 underdog roles vs. Mt?
I assume one of the 3 underdog years was 2007 (one of greatest UWW wins of all time). What were the other years? I'll guess 2006 (L) and maybe 2010 (w injured QB issue).
If he's looking at the last three Stagg Bowls UWW was underdogs, my guess would be:
2013 - Missed the playoffs the year before and there were still doubters
2010 - Blanchard hurt
2009 - Mount beat UWW in 2008, and people thought 2007 was an anomaly (maybe?)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 26, 2017, 12:26:49 PM
Quote from: emma17 on September 26, 2017, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 25, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 25, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
Yup...
Stout/Platteville - See if that St. Thomas game was a fluke.
Oshkosh/Whitewater - If UWW gets spanked, I think we're seeing an end of an era for the Hawks.
La Crosse/Point - Winner could be the 3rd best team in the WIAC.
Whitworth/Linfield - Good measuring stick for the Pirates
Coe/Wartburg - Winner is in the driver's seat for the IIAC title.
All big games in the West this weekend
I was looking through some of my numbers today, because I noticed that UWO is a 11.5-point favorite against UWW (seems high, but bear with me)
The last three times UWW was an underdog were all to Mount Union in Stagg Bowls.
The last time they were an underdog in the regular season was 2004 (twice). They won both games.
The last time they were a double-digit underdog in a WIAC contest was 2000.
Unless they right the ship quickly, it already feels like the end of an era.
Looking for the silver lining here. Maybe the underdog role fits UWW. How did UWW fare in those 3 underdog roles vs. Mt?
I assume one of the 3 underdog years was 2007 (one of greatest UWW wins of all time). What were the other years? I'll guess 2006 (L) and maybe 2010 (w injured QB issue).
If he's looking at the last three Stagg Bowls UWW was underdogs, my guess would be:
2013 - Missed the playoffs the year before and there were still doubters
2010 - Blanchard hurt
2009 - Mount beat UWW in 2008, and people thought 2007 was an anomaly (maybe?)
2014
Model Prediction (this was after UMU hung 70 on Wesley in the semis)
UMU 43.4 - UWW 21.9
Actual
UWW 43 - UMU 34
2013
Prediction
UMU 27.5 - UWW 26.5
Actual
UWW 52 - UMU 14
2011
UWW favored
2010 (remember UMU was on a backup QB too)
UWW favored
2009
Prediction
UMU 34.2 - UWW 25.3
Actual
UWW 38 - UMU 28
2008
Prediction
UMU 32.0 - UWW 27.1
Actual
UMU 31 - UWW 26
2007
Prediction
UMU 36.7 - UWW 19.8
Actual
UWW 31 - UMU 21
I specifically only mentioned the last three, because UWW won all three of them. They're 7-1 in the last 8 games in which they were an underdog, going back to those two WIAC games in 2004.
So you are saying there is a chance.
This is one of those "these teams know each other so well" games.
Apologies for the non-specific post, but I've got a general observation to make about the first couple weeks of the season, so I'm going to post this in each of the respective "fan poll" threads since they will typically get some readership from many different conferences / audiences (of course, within each thread, it can and likely will spawn some discussion specific to that region):
The first couple weeks of the season feel like we're seeing one of the more "wide open" seasons in D3 football in several years, IMHO. It's not just about UWW losing a few games; all over the Division, we've seen signs that some leagues may not adhere to a traditional hierarchy.
- Thomas More has already lost to two other conference rivals, turning the PAC into a potentially entertaining four-team horse race;
- Wabash had to scrap their way past an admittedly-improved Hiram team, leaving several NRFP voters believing that Denison and/or DePauw are the teams Wittenberg really needs to be worried about;
- Whitewater already has two losses on the board to "very good but not great; teams that you wouldn't normally expect them to lose to" opponents and travels to UW-Oshkosh this week facing the prospect of their earliest "likely elimination from playoff contention" since 2002;
- St. Thomas picked up an early loss to UW-Stout (?!) and now likely has to play the season under "win the MIAC or risk missing the playoffs" pressure;
- John Carroll, fresh off a season where they snapped Mount Union's forever-long OAC win streak and made an appearance in the national semifinals, took it on the chin from Heidelberg, leaving us wondering if maybe Heidelberg is the real "second banana" to challenge Mount this year rather than JCU
- Wesley, who has had as much success as any non-Purple (UMU, UWW, Linfield, UMHB, UST) in the last decade, took a loss in Week 1 - admittedly against a quality opponent, a much less surprising loss than Stout vs. UST - but, similarly to UST, likely will play the season under "win the league or you might be home for the holidays" pressure
I know there have been some early surprises in other seasons, too, but this just feels like a season that's elicited a lot more "Whoa! That happened?" reactions in the first few weeks than seasons past. Instead of the inevitable slog to the playoffs where it feels like we already know who lots of the players will be, several leagues feel more open top-to-bottom than usual and we're seeing some fun teams getting votes in the poll who may or may not deserve to be there, but are sitting there currently lacking any other evidence that someone else is definitively better. Raise your hand if you thought UW-Stout would appear in a D3fb top 25 this season. Or if you thought Frostburg State would be ranked 11th in the same week UW-Whitewater is barely holding onto a few votes.
It could be a wild second half, folks, and we're not even out of September. Yee-haw! High times for Division III football, if you ask me.
I love the uncertainty.
I only wish that Mt and UMHB would join the rest of D3 and look at least a little beatable.
Mt. Union has had games where they're beatable, but like Tom Brady they always seem to come out ahead at the end....
Quote from: smedindy on September 27, 2017, 11:50:47 AM
Mt. Union has had games where they're beatable, but like Tom Brady they always seem to come out ahead at the end....
Right, but their competition isn't always the greatest to take advantage of a beatable Mount team. They usually aren't tested until deep in the playoffs (sometimes as late as the Stagg Bowl or Semi's), or that rare year when someone in the OAC actually fields a worthy team (like JCU last season). But it looks like this season the OAC (outside of Mount) is back to being "meh".
Nothing like being the 2016 pre-season #1 ranked team and then have MHB hang 62 on you to place a seed of doubt.
But then doubt leaves you so blind. Get up and try 'em again.
Oops! Smacked again.
It's a new season! Oops! Whacked again.
Nothing to do but win the conference and get up against 'em again.
2017 Week 4 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 1 100
2) St. Thomas 5 77
3) UW-Platteville 3 70
4) St. John's 2 66
5) Linfield 6 59
6) Concordia-Moorhead 4 58
7) Whitworth 7 45
8) UW-Stout 8 32
9) Wartburg 10 18
10) UW-Whitewater N/A 12
Dropped Out: Coe
RV) Redlands (4), UW-La Crosse (3), George Fox (2), Cal Lutheran (2), Lake Forest (1), Monmouth (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 77 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7)
3) UW-Platteville 70 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, 8)
4) St. John's 66 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8)
5) Linfield 59 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 6, 6, 9,10)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 58 ( 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
7) Whitworth 45 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) UW-Stout 32 ( 4, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -)
9) Wartburg 18 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10,10, -)
10) UW-Whitewater 12 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-La Crosse 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
It's unanimous!! Oshkosh is good.
Also, as a group, we're unsure what to make of Linfield it seems (and Stout for that matter).
Redlands > GFU? Didn't George Fox beat them?
True....and Stout beat St. Thomas as well.
I can understand UST > UW-Stout more, because UST is more established than Redlands, has a win over another Top 10 team, and because Stout hasn't had the opportunity to play again since that game. George Fox's only loss was 2 points against another Top 10 West team, and then they spanked a WIAC team after beating Redlands. Redlands win over Trinity was impressive, but again, we haven't seen them play since their loss to GFU.
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 28, 2017, 10:45:24 AM
I can understand UST > UW-Stout more, because UST is more established than Redlands, has a win over another Top 10 team, and because Stout hasn't had the opportunity to play again since that game. George Fox's only loss was 2 points against another Top 10 West team, and then they spanked a WIAC team after beating Redlands. Redlands win over Trinity was impressive, but again, we haven't seen them play since their loss to GFU.
I agree, I was half joking. I had Stout ranked over St. Thomas, up until the St. John's game. Then once the Tommies won, I put them ahead of both Stout and the Johnnies. As for the Redlands and George Fox rankings, those two votes did come from the same voter. I'll let them come forward - if they want - and explain.
Unlike the North fan poll, where the Top 5 is pretty much established (and not less than 6th on any one ballot), we have lots of uncertainty after Oshkosh. We've almost reached a state of entropy, where teams ranked so highly by one voter can be excluded by another.
This is messy, and will be for a while. The two weeks off for some teams also makes this a tough one to crack.
This is a fun poll to follow because there is so much uncertainty. You voters have a tough task with this region.
George Fox is intriguing. The region is so strong they can't crack the top 10, even though #3 UWP barely beat them (I'm not suggesting this is wrong). I look forward to their game against Linfield.
Depending on the two losers of the WIAC games, space may be freed up in the top 10.
I count 12 remaining key games for these top 10 in the West. 7 of them will occur over these next two weeks (4 this weekend, 3 next). Will be interesting to see where things stand after this first wave of games.
2017 Week 5 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 1 100
2) St. Thomas 2 81
3) UW-Platteville 3 72
4) Linfield 5 71
5) St. John's 4 66
6) Concordia-Moorhead 6 58
7) Wartburg 9 53
8) UW-Stout 8 23
9) UW-LaCrosse N/A 15
10) Whitworth 7 12
Dropped Out: UW-Whitewater
RV) George Fox (9), UW-Whitewater (4), Lake Forest (3), Redlands (3)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 81 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 6)
3) UW-Platteville 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
4) Linfield 71 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6, 6, 6)
5) St. John's 66 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 58 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) Wartburg 33 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, -)
8) UW-Stout 23 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -, -)
9) UW-LaCrosse 15 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -)
10) Whitworth 12 ( 8, 8, 8,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 9 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Whitewater 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Have to say, we're all pretty much in agreeance this week. Only four teams received other votes, fewest we've had this season. I guess as the season progresses we're starting to see some clarity on who the top teams are.
The only question mark seems to be Stout. That's probably the only team we're kind of unsure on (as a group that is). Which is ok because that makes things interesting (conformity is boring ;D ).
RE: Stout
I have Whitewater ahead of them, but just by a thread. Fortunately they play each other this weekend so the debate between those two will resolve itself.
I'm also cautious on LaCrosse, as they haven't yet hit the meat of the WIAC schedule yet.
Overall I think 6-10 are very close, and we'll get more clarity this weekend.
Quote from: wm4 on October 04, 2017, 10:54:13 AM
RE: Stout
I have Whitewater ahead of them, but just by a thread. Fortunately they play each other this weekend so the debate between those two will resolve itself.
I'm also cautious on LaCrosse, as they haven't yet hit the meat of the WIAC schedule yet.
Overall I think 6-10 are very close, and we'll get more clarity this weekend.
Ever since UWW's week 2 loss to Concordia, I haven't had them sniff my top 10. I'm trying my best not to rank them just because of previous year's reputation. This team hasn't done anything this season to suggest they're a top 10 west team. That's just my opinion, and maybe I'm being too hard on them...but their only win this season is against a 1-4 team.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 04, 2017, 11:23:44 AM
Ever since UWW's week 2 loss to Concordia, I haven't had them sniff my top 10. I'm trying my best not to rank them just because of previous year's reputation. This team hasn't done anything this season to suggest they're a top 10 west team. That's just my opinion, and maybe I'm being too hard on them...but their only win this season is against a 1-4 team.
I agree, trying very hard to remove any bias from prior years and just evaluate this year's team. They lost to IWU and CM and a loss is a loss, but they were close games and I think in each they had late turnovers in the red zone. You make your own luck, and I just believe things will even out a little more for them this year.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 04, 2017, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: wm4 on October 04, 2017, 10:54:13 AM
RE: Stout
I have Whitewater ahead of them, but just by a thread. Fortunately they play each other this weekend so the debate between those two will resolve itself.
I'm also cautious on LaCrosse, as they haven't yet hit the meat of the WIAC schedule yet.
Overall I think 6-10 are very close, and we'll get more clarity this weekend.
Ever since UWW's week 2 loss to Concordia, I haven't had them sniff my top 10. I'm trying my best not to rank them just because of previous year's reputation. This team hasn't done anything this season to suggest they're a top 10 west team. That's just my opinion, and maybe I'm being too hard on them...but their only win this season is against a 1-4 team.
UWW is an interesting case. Agreed they shouldn't be ranked top 10- yet imo they have just as good or better a chance at beating #2-#10 as anybody in the West. Other than the UWO offense dominating their D (which I believe is a bit akin to a pitcher throwing a no-hitter), the losses don't suggest the Warhawks are overmatched.
I have G. Fox in, not LAX. They're an 'outsider', but I think their results show their value.
Don't count out Monmouth. They have been banged up to start the season and are starting to get healthy. Had a few d-linemen and O-linemen out vs wartburg and hope. Starting to get healthy. Held Macalester to -14 yards rushing and Lawerence to 49 total yards in their last two games. Defense finished #1 in the nation last year and is close to full strength again. Still missing the big horse in #2. Should be back soon hopefully.
I don't know why Linfield is ahead of SJU? We've never beat them... and I don't think we would this year. Plus I have a SJU sweatshirt from the early 2000's I'm selling in my garage sale.
I had St. John's 3rd and Linfield 6th. The ultra-close loss to St. Thomas vs. the loss by Linfield against UMHB is heavily weighted in my mind. Whitworth may have had a mental block going to McMinnville.
I just can't see Linfield as the second best team out west. So that's a little shocking.
I think the stout win over St. Thomas may be holding St. John's back in the poll. Linfield lost to the top team in the country. St. John's lost to a team that lost to Stout.
But it's not like Stout is Hamline....
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 04, 2017, 01:48:10 PM
Don't count out Monmouth. They have been banged up to start the season and are starting to get healthy. Had a few d-linemen and O-linemen out vs wartburg and hope. Starting to get healthy. Held Macalester to -14 yards rushing and Lawerence to 49 total yards in their last two games. Defense finished #1 in the nation last year and is close to full strength again. Still missing the big horse in #2. Should be back soon hopefully.
Agreed! Monmouth's D-Line, when completely healthy, is as good as I've seen in D3. That makes their defense really tough. To me their biggest question mark is at QB and on offense. Their offense this year is not at the same level as last year's squad.
And we're shufflin'...
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on October 06, 2017, 07:46:09 AM
Quote from: BigRedScots on October 04, 2017, 01:48:10 PM
Don't count out Monmouth. They have been banged up to start the season and are starting to get healthy. Had a few d-linemen and O-linemen out vs wartburg and hope. Starting to get healthy. Held Macalester to -14 yards rushing and Lawerence to 49 total yards in their last two games. Defense finished #1 in the nation last year and is close to full strength again. Still missing the big horse in #2. Should be back soon hopefully.
Agreed! Monmouth's D-Line, when completely healthy, is as good as I've seen in D3. That makes their defense really tough. To me their biggest question mark is at QB and on offense. Their offense this year is not at the same level as last year's squad.
Counterpoint:
Macalester, Lawerence and Grinnell are not exactly a murderer's row of opponents. Wartburg put up 526 yards on them.
As this season unfolds, Stout beating St. Thomas is making less and less sense. It has to be a classic case of looking ahead, right? No way they took Stout seriously with St. John's looming in Minneapolis.....
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 09, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
As this season unfolds, Stout beating St. Thomas is making less and less sense. It has to be a classic case of looking ahead, right? No way they took Stout seriously with St. John's looming in Minneapolis.....
I can't completely deny that some looking ahead could be involved (and aiming to rest a couple of key players, figuring that they won't be necessary), but I'd say it is more a combo of: Stout game-planning really well to hit our weaknesses AND early season disjointedness. We've made a lot of progress in recent weeks to be a better team.
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 09, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
As this season unfolds, Stout beating St. Thomas is making less and less sense. It has to be a classic case of looking ahead, right? No way they took Stout seriously with St. John's looming in Minneapolis.....
I can't completely deny that some looking ahead could be involved (and aiming to rest a couple of key players, figuring that they won't be necessary), but I'd say it is more a combo of: Stout game-planning really well to hit our weaknesses AND early season disjointedness. We've made a lot of progress in recent weeks to be a better team.
It does appear to be an anomaly, however, despite Stout's recent showing at UWW, I would say they are a decidedly improved football team, and if you don't come out at their place firing on all cylinders, you will go home with an "L", no matter who you are. They still took UWP to the wire on the road two weeks ago. The most recent UWW game may also prove to be
Stout's outlier. Two weeks off, then having to go on the road to UWP and UWW is not ideal. Even if they kept the home game against Trinity BC, what good would that have done them?
The next few weeks in the WIAC will be crazy. I still like UWO to finish on top, but La Crosse is getting overlooked, UWP is still rolling, UWW may have figured something out, and Stout ain't bad. UWO still has to Platteville, La Crosse and Stout. It is entirely possible the Titans finish with two L's.
Haven't UW-SP and UW-RF been somewhat feisty the last few years at times also?
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2017, 05:09:58 PM
Haven't UW-SP and UW-RF been somewhat feisty the last few years at times also?
Feisty is probably a good descriptor for UWRF--they were able to keep a couple games against the "big 3" in the WIAC close in recent years through clever game-planning--but they never really upset the apple cart in any meaningful way. UWSP though has been a solid #4 team in the WIAC ever since UWO & UWP rose to be consistently in the top 3, until apparently this season.
2017 Week 6 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 1 100
2) St. Thomas 2 84
3t) UW-Platteville 3 72
3t) Linfield 4 72
5) St. John's 5 70
6) Wartburg 7 43
7) Concordia-Moorhead 6 31
8) George Fox N/A 29
9) UW-LaCrosse 9 23
10) Redlands N/A 12
Dropped Out: Whitworth, UW-Stout
RV) UW-Whitewater (7), Lake Forest (4), Monmouth (2), Luther (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 84 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4)
3t) UW-Platteville 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
3t) Linfield 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7)
5) St. John's 70 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
6) Wartburg 43 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9,10)
7) Concordia-Moorhead 31 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,10, -)
8) George Fox 29 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9, 9,10, -)
9) UW-LaCrosse 23 ( 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8,10,10, -, -)
10) Redlands 12 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Whitewater 7 ( 7, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Luther 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
So we learned where Concordia and Stout stack up at this point of the season. Next up is LaCrosse at Whitewater (Friday) and Oshkosh at Platteville. I have Platteville behind St John's and Linefield, but how they fare this weekend could change things.
As for Concordia, they appear to be just a shell of themselves on offense, without Herzog. I dropped them from my top 10 for that reason. They'll probably will their games between now and St John's, but I just don't feel they're a top 10 team in the West, currently.
On the podcast this morning, Keith brought up an interesting point concerning 4 West teams: St. Thomas has beaten Concordia Moorhead, Concordia Moorhead has beaten UW Whitewater, UW Whitewater has beaten UW Stout, and UW Stout has beaten St. Thomas. Quite a conundrum.
I see C-M being 8-1 going into the St. John's game.
As for my ballot, the merry-go-round in the WIAC and MIAC, and the dearth of a good SCIAC candidate has caused some consideration for...Lake Forest, but I didn't go there yet.
I'm confident in my top 8 this week, but the last two spots were a toss up for me. Nobody really stands out for the 9th and 10th spot.
I just need two more ballots and I'll post the results (so hopefully tomorrow).
2017 Week 7 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 1 100
2) St. Thomas 2 86
3) Linfield 3 70
4) St. John's 5 69
5) UW-Platteville 3 67
6) Wartburg 6 46
7) Concordia-Moorhead 7 40
8) George Fox 8 32
9) UW-Whitewater N/A 17
10t) Lake Forest N/A 8
10t) UW-LaCrosse 9 8
Dropped Out: Redlands
RV) Monmouth (3), Luther (2), MacMurray (1), Chapman (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 86 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4)
3) Linfield 70 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 7, 8)
4) St. John's 69 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) UW-Platteville 67 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 8)
6) Wartburg 46 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8,10)
7) Concordia-Moorhead 40 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8,10)
8) George Fox 32 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10)
9) UW-Whitewater 17 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -, -, -)
10t)Lake Forest 8 ( 7, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10t)UW-LaCrosse 8 ( 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Luther 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) MacMurray 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I was low on Platteville. It was more of 'how do I sort out this muddled mess in the middle'.
At least this was easier than the North fan poll, which cascaded to my Fan Top 25 poll....
I had UWW 9th and Lake Forest 10th. At first, I didn't want either of them in my top 10, but I had a hard time coming up with teams that are better than them. I gave UWW the benefit of the doubt of having a tough schedule (even though they are a far cry from the UWW we're used to seeing). Also, I figured an undefeated Lake Forest > an undefeated MacMurray (as far as Strength of Schedule). If Monmouth wouldn't have been blown out against Wartburg, I probably would have them in the 10th spot.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 18, 2017, 02:33:45 PM
If Monmouth wouldn't have been blown out against Wartburg, I probably would have them in the 10th spot.
Monmouth was all banged up vs Wartburg. Didnt play a returning starter on either side of the ball upfront.
Lake Forest has played a terrible schedule so far. Their best win so far was against Macalester, and they struggled to beat Beloit, Carleton, and Knox. I've seen both Lake Forest and Monmouth play, and Monmouth looked far more impressive even with players injured. Yes, they lost to Wartburg by a hefty margin, but their win over Hope and a road win against Mac are more impressive than anything Lake Forest has done to date. Of course, they play in a week and a half, so that'll settle this debate.
The top 6 seem to be viewed universally at this point. 7-9 get tougher to slot, and 10 is just a crap shoot. While the Lake Forest's/Monouths/MacMurrays have put together good records to this point, the predictive models I've seen suggest that even a team like Bethel would beat them fairly handily. For that reason, I can't justify any of those in the top 10. That's also why I have UWW up at 7.
Quote from: wm4 on October 19, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
The top 6 seem to be viewed universally at this point. 7-9 get tougher to slot, and 10 is just a crap shoot. While the Lake Forest's/Monouths/MacMurrays have put together good records to this point, the predictive models I've seen suggest that even a team like Bethel would beat them fairly handily. For that reason, I can't justify any of those in the top 10. That's also why I have UWW up at 7.
I hear you, loud and clear. For myself, I try to use the D3 ranking of the conferences as a litmus test of sorts. It seems like every year leading up to and right after selection Sunday, we hear from disgruntled fans that, (rightly so), complain that the top 32 teams in the country are not playing in the finals. Here in the West we have the number 2 team in the MIAC (St. John's) who has beaten the number 2 team in the UMAC 98-0. How far down into the WIAC or MIAC can we go until we have teams in other conferences able to beat them? You mentioned Bethel, who most likely will finish 5 and 5 for the season, with no non-conference wins. I agree with you that their team this year would beat a lot of other teams that sit at the top of their West conferences. Whitewater is in the same boat. The problem I wrestle with every week in my ballot is this, do I put the best teams based on my opinion of their abilities, or do I use the win-loss record? For me, it is a balancing act, and some weeks I lean more towards one side of the equation than the other. That's exactly why a poll like this is so valuable, because when we pool our collective thoughts, the better teams overall tend to drift to the top and we all get a glimpse into how teams stack up across the region.
Quote from: art76 on October 19, 2017, 10:52:49 AM
I hear you, loud and clear. For myself, I try to use the D3 ranking of the conferences as a litmus test of sorts. It seems like every year leading up to and right after selection Sunday, we hear from disgruntled fans that, (rightly so), complain that the top 32 teams in the country are not playing in the finals. Here in the West we have the number 2 team in the MIAC (St. John's) who has beaten the number 2 team in the UMAC 98-0. How far down into the WIAC or MIAC can we go until we have teams in other conferences able to beat them? You mentioned Bethel, who most likely will finish 5 and 5 for the season, with no non-conference wins. I agree with you that their team this year would beat a lot of other teams that sit at the top of their West conferences. Whitewater is in the same boat. The problem I wrestle with every week in my ballot is this, do I put the best teams based on my opinion of their abilities, or do I use the win-loss record? For me, it is a balancing act, and some weeks I lean more towards one side of the equation than the other. That's exactly why a poll like this is so valuable, because when we pool our collective thoughts, the better teams overall tend to drift to the top and we all get a glimpse into how teams stack up across the region.
I hear you as well. To me, because there's so much disparity in D3 football overall, and even within conferences, I just can't rely on win-loss records at all. It all comes down to who would actually win on the field, among a group of teams I'd be considering. Will be interesting to see how our fan poll lines up with the regional rankings once they come out in a couple weeks.
Quote from: scottyeagle93 on October 18, 2017, 04:35:31 PM
Lake Forest has played a terrible schedule so far. Their best win so far was against Macalester, and they struggled to beat Beloit, Carleton, and Knox. I've seen both Lake Forest and Monmouth play, and Monmouth looked far more impressive even with players injured. Yes, they lost to Wartburg by a hefty margin, but their win over Hope and a road win against Mac are more impressive than anything Lake Forest has done to date. Of course, they play in a week and a half, so that'll settle this debate.
I think Monmouth will beat Lake Forest. Then it's a question of how healthy they can stay and how well they can play championship weak and potentially the first round of playoffs. They have the potential to compete for a top ten spot, but we'll have to wait and see if they can actually get it done.
2017 Week 8 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 1 100
2) St. Thomas 2 86
3) Linfield 3 73
4t) St. John's 4 69
4t) UW-Platteville 5 69
6) Wartburg 6 42
7) Concordia-Moorhead 7 38
8) George Fox 8 32
9) UW-Whitewater 9 18
10) Lake Forest 10t 9
Dropped Out: UW-LaCrosse
RV) Monmouth (5), UW-LaCrosse (4), Chapman (3), MacMurray (1), St. Norbert (1),
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, astro9046, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 86 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4)
3) Linfield 73 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 7)
4t) St. John's 69 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
4t) UW-Platteville 69 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) Wartburg 42 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 8, -)
7) Concordia-Moorhead 38 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8,10)
8) George Fox 32 ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9)
9) UW-Whitewater 18 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -)
10) Lake Forest 9 ( 6, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 5 ( 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) MacMurray 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
No real big change this week. The only big difference is Wartburg dropping off someone's poll. Not sure if that was intentional or not.
Here are some notable West games this weekend that might shake things up:
- Lake Forest vs. Monmouth
- UWP vs. UWL
- Wartburg vs. Dubuque
I would not have expected LINFIELD - PLU to shake things up, but I suspect it will as it did D3 poll.
Quote from: TwoArmedScot on October 20, 2017, 01:21:11 PM
I think Monmouth will beat Lake Forest.
Nice understatement!
Waiting on one more person. I'll give him to tomorrow, if not then we'll have just 9 polls this week.
2017 Week 9 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 1 90
2) St. Thomas 2 79
3t) St. John's 5 66
3t) Linfield 3 66
5) Wartburg 6 49
6) Concordia-Moorhead 7 44
7) UW-Platteville 4 27
8) George Fox 8 25
9) UW-Whitewater 9 23
10) UW-LaCrosse N/A 13
Dropped Out: Lake Forest
RV) Monmouth (9), Chapman (4)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 79 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3t) St. John's 66 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
3t) Linfield 66 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5) Wartburg 49 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 44 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8,10)
7) UW-Platteville 27 ( 4, 6, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, -, -)
8) George Fox 25 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
9) UW-Whitewater 23 ( 6, 7, 7, 9, 9, 9, 9,10,10)
10) UW-LaCrosse 13 ( 7, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 9 ( 7, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
2017 Week 10 West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 1 90
2) St. Thomas 2 79
3) St. John's 3t 68
4) Linfield 3t 64
5) Wartburg 5 53
6) Concordia-Moorhead 6 49
7) UW-Whitewater 9 36
8) UW-LaCrosse 10 23
9) Monmouth N/A 13
10t) Chapman N/A 8
10t) UW-Platteville 7 8
Dropped Out: George Fox
RV) Whitworth (3), George Fox (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 79 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) St. John's 68 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Linfield 64 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6)
5) Wartburg 53 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 49 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) UW-Whitewater 36 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) UW-LaCrosse 23 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9)
9) Monmouth 13 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10t)Chapman 8 ( 7, 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10t)UW-Platteville 8 ( 9, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Solid poll this week. Looks like - as a group - we kept in mind on who beat who throughout the season:
CMH (6) > UWW (7) > UWL (8) > UWP (10)
We can also take out Concordia and input UWO (1), and that would still work.
I'm interested to see if Concordia Moorhead can shake things up at St. John's this weekend. Also St. Norbert and Monmouth is always a huge game each season.
2017 Final Regular Season West Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 1 90
2) St. Thomas 2 77
3) St. John's 3 69
4) Linfield 4 65
5) Wartburg 5 56
6) Concordia-Moorhead 6 44
7) UW-Whitewater 7 38
8) UW-LaCrosse 8 26
9) Monmouth 9 13
10) UW-Platteville 10t 10
Dropped Out: Chapman
RV) Chapman (5), Whitworth (1), George Fox (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, HansenRatings, TwoArmedScot, smedindy and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 77 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) St. John's 69 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4)
4) Linfield 65 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 6, 6)
5) Wartburg 56 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 44 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Whitewater 38 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8)
8) UW-LaCrosse 26 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9)
9) Monmouth 13 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) UW-Platteville 10 ( 9, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 5 ( 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 15, 2017, 08:58:16 AM
1) UW-Oshkosh (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. Thomas 77 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) St. John's 69 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4)
4) Linfield 65 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 6, 6)
5) Wartburg 56 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) Concordia-Moorhead 44 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Whitewater 38 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8)
8) UW-LaCrosse 26 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9)
9) Monmouth 13 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) UW-Platteville 10 ( 9, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 5 ( 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
No love lost from one pollster for the Tommies.
Lots of variability in where the group has Linfield, 2 votes in 2nd, 2 votes in 6th, and a bunch in between.
Looking for one, maybe two, more for the fan poll this season.
Send me a message if you're interested.
Still looking for one more person if anyone is interested in participating this year.
A preseason poll will be released hopefully a week or so prior to the season kicking off.
Thanks!
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 17, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Still looking for one more person if anyone is interested in participating this year.
A preseason poll will be released hopefully a week or so prior to the season kicking off.
Thanks!
2 questions
Did you find another person to help out?
When do you expect to post the pre-season poll?
Quote from: art76 on August 27, 2018, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on August 17, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Still looking for one more person if anyone is interested in participating this year.
A preseason poll will be released hopefully a week or so prior to the season kicking off.
Thanks!
2 questions
Did you find another person to help out?
When do you expect to post the pre-season poll?
No
I'm putting the poll together now.
2018 Preseason West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Oshkosh (5) - 84
2) St. Thomas (4) - 83
3) Linfield - 63
4) St. John's - 60
5) UW-Whitewater - 59
6) Wartburg - 52
7) UW-Platteville - 33
8) Whitworth - 18
9) Concordia-Moorhead - 16
10) Monmouth - 9
RV) Redlands (6), George Fox (4), UW-Lacrosse (4), Coe (2), Cal Lutheran (1), Bethel (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) UW-Oshkosh (5) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4)
2) St. Thomas (4) 83 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 4)
3) Linfield 63 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 8)
4) St. John's 60 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5) UW-Whitewater 59 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7)
6) Wartburg 52 ( 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) UW-Platteville 33 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) Whitworth 18 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -)
9) Concordia-Moorhead 16 ( 6, 7, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 9 ( 7, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 6 ( 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Coe 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more if anyone is interested!!
Man, I had the Top 9 in order except swapping Linfield and St. John's. I also voted for George Fox instead of Monmouth.
I must be "Generic West Voter".
Looks like I might be a little harsh on my alma mater. I have UWW the lowest at 7. Also, I have Concordia the highest at 6. I have the UWW/Concordia game still fresh in my mind from last year, I guess.
They have to earn back my trust :P
Quote from: smedindy on August 27, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
Man, I had the Top 9 in order except swapping Linfield and St. John's. I also voted for George Fox instead of Monmouth.
I must be "Generic West Voter".
Not bad for a North Region guy! ;)
Here's a listing of the marque games in the West this season
Concordia @ UWW 8-Sep
Wartburg @ Mon 8-Sep
UST @ Concordia 29-Sep
Lin @ Whit 29-Sep
SJU @ Bethel 6-Oct
Whit @ Gfox 6-Oct
UWO @ UWW 6-Oct
UST @ SJU 13-Oct
UWP @ UWO 13-Oct
Coe @ Wartburg 13-Oct
Concordia @ Bethel 20-Oct
Lin @ Gfox 20-Oct
SJU @ Concordia 27-Oct
UST @ Bethel 10-Nov
UWW @ UWP 10-Nov
Quote from: wm4 on August 28, 2018, 12:08:52 PM
Here's a listing of the marque games in the West this season
Concordia @ UWW 8-Sep
Wartburg @ Mon 8-Sep
UST @ Concordia 29-Sep
Lin @ Whit 29-Sep
SJU @ Bethel 6-Oct
Whit @ Gfox 6-Oct
UWO @ UWW 6-Oct
UST @ SJU 13-Oct
UWP @ UWO 13-Oct
Coe @ Wartburg 13-Oct
Concordia @ Bethel 20-Oct
Lin @ Gfox 20-Oct
SJU @ Concordia 27-Oct
UST @ Bethel 10-Nov
UWW @ UWP 10-Nov
I think the Redlands vs Cal Lutheran October 27th. will be a game to watch, since it's not only a rivialy but Playoff birth.
Seems like no one is giving Chapman the benefit of the doubt about being defending champs. Hope they surprise some folks this year.
Oc Guy,
Chapman got undervalued during the preseason last year also, but their laudable Head Coach appears to foster a strong team spirit that lifts the entire squad up a notch or two. Panthers have been my Redlands Dawgs most challenging SCIAC opponents in the last five years, and they don't seem to rely as heavily on transfers as has been the case elsewhere at times.
I anticipate that the Chapman/Cal Lutheran game will decide the conference championship. Redlands has graduated too many stalwart defenders including SCIAC Dee Player of the Year, LB Mitch Shepherd.
Btw, I'm originally an OC guy too ........ Huntington Beach High Oiler (during the Punic Wars). 8-)
Quote from: Hemingway13 on August 28, 2018, 08:04:16 PM
Oc Guy,
Chapman got undervalued during the preseason last year also, but their laudable Head Coach appears to foster a strong team spirit that lifts the entire squad up a notch or two. Panthers have been my Redlands Dawgs most challenging SCIAC opponents in the last five years, and they don't seem to rely as heavily on transfers as has been the case elsewhere at times.
I anticipate that the Chapman/Cal Lutheran game will decide the conference championship. Redlands has graduated too many stalwart defenders including SCIAC Dee Player of the Year, LB Mitch Shepherd.
Btw, I'm originally an OC guy too ........ Huntington Beach High Oiler (during the Punic Wars). 8-)
Much Appreciated & great to have another OC native on the boards!
Coach Owens and his staff do a great job of raising the level of play from their players. Guys who may have been overlooked on the HS or JC level come out and have great careers at Chapman...See Pyka from last year, guy was a beast.
Looking forward to both match ups with Cal Lu and The Dawgs. You guys always compete your tails off.
Hemingway 13... Were the Punic Wars before Mike Contreras?
BTW, you two love birds, the O.C. stands for Orange County.
D O.C.,
Indeed, I went there before Contreras. It's soooooo far into the mists of time that one of my teachers was Cap Sheue, the widely respected coach in whose honor the HBHS football field is named.
Thanks for the headsup about "O. C."! During the Punic Wars, we had way more in common with guys in Venice and Belmont Shore, just a speedy drive up Pacific Coast Highway, than inlanders such as Buena Park and Orange. 8-)
Cheers,
Hem
Still waiting on one more ballot. Hopefully I'll get the results posted later today.
2018 Week 1 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (7) 2 87
2) UW-Oshkosh (2) 1 81
3t) UW-Whitewater 5 60
3t) St. John's 4 60
5) Linfield 3 56
6) Wartburg 6 55
7) UW-Platteville 7 37
8t) Whitworth 8 17
8t) Concordia-Moorhead 9 17
10t) Redlands - 10
10t) UW-LaCrosse - 10
Dropped Out: Monmouth
RV) Monmouth (2), Chapman (2), Simpson (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. Thomas (7) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3)
2) UW-Oshkosh (2) 81 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3t) UW-Whitewater 60 ( 2, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6)
3t) St. John's 60 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5)
5) Linfield 56 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8)
6) Wartburg 55 ( 2, 3, 3, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) UW-Platteville 37 ( 3, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, -)
8t) Whitworth 17 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
8t) Concordia-Moorhead 17 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10t) Redlands 10 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
10t) UW-LaCrosse 10 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Monmouth 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Simpson 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more if anyone is interested!!
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?
Quote from: MiacMan on September 05, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?
Yeah, a little unexpected, but I'll let the people involved in those votes explain.....if they feel inclined.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 05, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: MiacMan on September 05, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?
Yeah, a little unexpected, but I'll let the people involved in those votes explain.....if they feel inclined.
Oh, no worries, just thought it was interesting. Thanks for doing this 02!
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 05, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: MiacMan on September 05, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?
Yeah, a little unexpected, but I'll let the people involved in those votes explain.....if they feel inclined.
For me, until they beat the Johnnies in their schedule in week 5, or other teams already in this poll lose two games, I probably won't be giving any love to my alma mater. It's just way too early in my opinion.
Quote from: art76 on September 05, 2018, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 05, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: MiacMan on September 05, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?
Yeah, a little unexpected, but I'll let the people involved in those votes explain.....if they feel inclined.
For me, until they beat the Johnnies in their schedule in week 5, or other teams already in this poll lose two games, I probably won't be giving any love to my alma mater. It's just way too early in my opinion.
True, but I get his point though. Bethel loses its only vote to Simpson, even though Bethel just beat Simpson. That seems odd in a vacuum, but I'm sure the voters had other teams in mind when adding Simpson and dropping Bethel.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 05, 2018, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: art76 on September 05, 2018, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 05, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: MiacMan on September 05, 2018, 10:20:23 AM
Wow, no love for Bethel at all, while Simpson gets a vote?
Yeah, a little unexpected, but I'll let the people involved in those votes explain.....if they feel inclined.
For me, until they beat the Johnnies in their schedule in week 5, or other teams already in this poll lose two games, I probably won't be giving any love to my alma mater. It's just way too early in my opinion.
True, but I get his point though. Bethel loses its only vote to Simpson, even though Bethel just beat Simpson. That seems odd in a vacuum, but I'm sure the voters had other teams in mind when adding Simpson and dropping Bethel.
All legit points. Did not even consider Bethel and I should have. I'll own that.
It's so early in the year and so much is unknown/unproven, votes for nine and ten can seem a little bit like banging your head against a brick wall.
2018 Week 2 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 3 78
3) St. John's 4 75
4) UW-Platteville 7 50
5) UW-Oshkosh 2 47
6) Linfield 5 46
7) UW-Lacrosse 10 34
8t) Wartburg 6 16
8t) Whitworth 8 16
10) Monmouth - 15
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead, Redlands
RV) Concordia-Moorheard (9), Redlands (7), Central (4), Bethel (4), Chapman (2), Cal Lutheran (2), George Fox (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 12, 2018, 08:12:12 AM
2018 Week 2 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 3 78
3) St. John's 4 75
4) UW-Platteville 7 50
5) UW-Oshkosh 2 47
6) Linfield 5 46
7) UW-Lacrosse 10 34
8t) Wartburg 6 16
8t) Whitworth 8 16
10) Monmouth - 15
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead, Redlands
RV) Concordia-Moorheard (9), Redlands (7), Central (4), Bethel (4), Chapman (2), Cal Lutheran (2), George Fox (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
This makes a little more sense to me than the D3 Top 25 and the Top 25 Fan Poll which have Linfield ahead of Oshkosh now. Perhaps forward looking expectations have an impact there, but Linfield's loss to a not-great NAIA team certainly looks worse than Oshkosh losing to a D2 team (regardless of the newness of the program, it's still a division above D3).
1) St. Thomas (8) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 78 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) St. John's 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) UW-Platteville 50 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7,10)
5) UW-Oshkosh 47 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6,10)
6) Linfield 46 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 9)
7) UW-Lacrosse 34 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, -, -)
8t) Wartburg 16 ( 4, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
8t) Whitworth 16 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 10, -, -, -)
10) Monmouth 15 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 9 ( 5, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more if anyone is interested!!
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 12, 2018, 08:12:12 AM
2018 Week 2 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 3 78
3) St. John's 4 75
4) UW-Platteville 7 50
5) UW-Oshkosh 2 47
6) Linfield 5 46
7) UW-Lacrosse 10 34
8t) Wartburg 6 16
8t) Whitworth 8 16
10) Monmouth - 15
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead, Redlands
RV) Concordia-Moorheard (9), Redlands (7), Central (4), Bethel (4), Chapman (2), Cal Lutheran (2), George Fox (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
This makes a little more sense to me than the D3 Top 25 and the Top 25 Fan Poll which have Linfield ahead of Oshkosh now. Perhaps forward looking expectations have an impact there, but Linfield's loss to a not-great NAIA team certainly looks worse than Oshkosh losing to a D2 team (regardless of the newness of the program, it's still a division above D3).
emphasis on "a little more sense" Since Monmouth beat Wartburg but still finds themselves ranked below them (in this poll).
Quote from: MonroviaCat on September 12, 2018, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on September 12, 2018, 08:23:55 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 12, 2018, 08:12:12 AM
2018 Week 2 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 3 78
3) St. John's 4 75
4) UW-Platteville 7 50
5) UW-Oshkosh 2 47
6) Linfield 5 46
7) UW-Lacrosse 10 34
8t) Wartburg 6 16
8t) Whitworth 8 16
10) Monmouth - 15
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead, Redlands
RV) Concordia-Moorheard (9), Redlands (7), Central (4), Bethel (4), Chapman (2), Cal Lutheran (2), George Fox (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
This makes a little more sense to me than the D3 Top 25 and the Top 25 Fan Poll which have Linfield ahead of Oshkosh now. Perhaps forward looking expectations have an impact there, but Linfield's loss to a not-great NAIA team certainly looks worse than Oshkosh losing to a D2 team (regardless of the newness of the program, it's still a division above D3).
emphasis on "a little more sense" Since Monmouth beat Wartburg but still finds themselves ranked below them (in this poll).
Same sort of thing in the D3 Top 25 poll. Even though both were unranked this week, Wartburg had 44 points while Monmouth only had 9.
Regarding this poll, believe it or not, only two voters had Wartburg above Monmouth. So the vast majority here took the head-to-head matchup into consideration. The one who ranked Wartburg 4th carried a lot of weight in the total points, putting them ahead of Monmouth by one point.
Hmmm. Interesting results. In addition to the Linfield ranking, I would love to hear reasons folks ranked Wartburg above Monmouth and why a team like Redlands, who have won 2 games including one they were not favored in, would drop out of the poll.
Head to head results do not appear in a vaccuum though. Monmouth also has a fairly sizable loss to Wheaton (yes, a good team) on it's resume.
Quote from: USee on September 12, 2018, 09:58:48 AM
Hmmm. Interesting results. In addition to the Linfield ranking, I would love to hear reasons folks ranked Wartburg above Monmouth and why a team like Redlands, who have won 2 games including one they were not favored in, would drop out of the poll.
I had Redlands 10, Wartburg 2 and Monmouth unranked last week. With Monmouth's win over Wartburg, I thought that was deserving of ranking Monmouth over Wartburg (even with the Wheaton loss), but I still think Wartburg belonged in the top 10. So I put Monmouth 7 and Wartburg 8. With Monmouth now entering my top 10 that means one team had to drop out. Since Redlands was my number 10 last week, they were the odd team out.
Monmouth's big loss at #18 Wheaton with an impressive win over #13 Wartburg stood out to me more than Redlands two wins over unranked George Fox and unranked Puget Sound.
I also had CMH 8 last week, and with the loss to UWW I dropped them to 9. I still think of CMH is a top 10 West team.
Like I said in the previous post, only two people had Wartburg above Monmouth. I'll let them explain if they want too.
I didn't have either Monmouth, Redlands, nor Wartburg in this week's poll.
To put a little context on the Wheaton Game. Monmouth had 3 OL out and returned one last week vs Wartburg and switched things around up front. Monmouth vs Wartburg was a better showing of what this team really is.
Monmouth still wouldn't have beaten Wheaton if fully healthy however.
Hoping to post this week's poll later today. Still waiting on one more entry.
2018 Week 3 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 2 78
3) St. John's 3 76
4t) UW-Oshkosh 5 53
4t) Linfield 6 53
6) UW-Lacrosse 7 31
7) Concordia-Moorhead - 26
8) Monmouth 10 25
9t) Whitworth 9 16
9t) Wartburg 8 16
Dropped Out: UW-Platteville
RV) Central (13), UW-Platteville (13), Redlands (3), George Fox (2), Bethel (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. Thomas (8) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 78 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) St. John's 76 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4t) UW-Oshkosh 53 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 9)
4t) Linfield 53 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 8)
6) UW-Lacrosse 31 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, -, -, -)
7) Concordia-Moorhead 26 ( 4, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -)
8) Monmouth 25 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -)
9t) Whitworth 16 ( 7, 7, 7, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
9t) Wartburg 16 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Central 13 ( 4, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 13 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more if anyone is interested!!
So someone voted for George Fox and had Redlands below them? Explain?
Can't wait for full conference play to start so we can see more common opponents. Been tough measuring some of these losses.
I voted for 3 of the ARVs - Central, Platteville and Bethel.
Quote from: smedindy on September 19, 2018, 11:12:26 AM
I voted for 3 of the ARVs - Central, Platteville and Bethel.
My only ARV was for UWP. I still have UWL off my poll, I'm still uncertain about them. Holding out until the UWW-UWL game next week. If UWL holds their own, I'll probably start considering them.
Looks like we're all in agreement on the top 3, with some debate on order.
4-10 is kinda jumbled, with lots of variability in ratings. I blame quirky out of conference games, byes and still trying to figure out who we trust are the best teams.
Concordia has moved up in my poll to 4, namely because everybody in front of them keep losing. And I'm low on Linfield and Oshkosh, just haven't seen anything to feel confident in, yet.
Quote from: wm4 on September 20, 2018, 01:29:18 PM
Looks like we're all in agreement on the top 3, with some debate on order.
4-10 is kinda jumbled, with lots of variability in ratings. I blame quirky out of conference games, byes and still trying to figure out who we trust are the best teams.
Concordia has moved up in my poll to 4, namely because everybody in front of them keep losing. And I'm low on Linfield and Oshkosh, just haven't seen anything to feel confident in, yet.
Yup. Linfield and Oshkosh haven't looked like top 10 (nationally ranked) teams at all this year like we're used to seeing. We'll find out soon enough if these teams can return to their dominate selves: Linfield @ Whitworth next week, and UWO @ UWW the week after that.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 21, 2018, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: wm4 on September 20, 2018, 01:29:18 PM
Looks like we're all in agreement on the top 3, with some debate on order.
4-10 is kinda jumbled, with lots of variability in ratings. I blame quirky out of conference games, byes and still trying to figure out who we trust are the best teams.
Concordia has moved up in my poll to 4, namely because everybody in front of them keep losing. And I'm low on Linfield and Oshkosh, just haven't seen anything to feel confident in, yet.
Yup. Linfield and Oshkosh haven't looked like top 10 (nationally ranked) teams at all this year like we're used to seeing. We'll find out soon enough if these teams can return to their dominate selves: Linfield @ Whitworth next week, and UWO @ UWW the week after that.
I've watched Oshkosh play all three games. I feel they are probably ranked right at #4 in the region. Being 2-1 after that non-conference slate should have them solidly in the that spot. I don't think we're better than St. Thomas, UWW, or St. John's, but I could see us beating any of the teams on this list. It would be a 17-13 type of game, but it could easily happen. I'm hoping the old adage of "defense wins championships" holds true. I think the bye week comes at a really good time. This will give our offense an extra week to get a ton of reps and get Radavich further along in his development before the WIAC slate gets under way. I do really wish our conference schedule was flip-flopped. I think this offense will be much better (or at least know its strengths better) at the end of the season.
I've voiced this on the NWC board.
This has been the oddest start to a season for LINFIELD I can think of.
Start a week after the rest of the country by taking a 700 mile bus ride to play an NAIA team.
Come home to play just good enough (DEFENSE) to beat Redlands.
This week a bye.
If we aren't living off reputation I don't know what it is.
You're all very gracious.
Win the conference, go where they send us, see how it ends.
Quote from: D O.C. on September 22, 2018, 12:52:29 AM
I've voiced this on the NWC board.
This has been the oddest start to a season for LINFIELD I can think of.
Start a week after the rest of the country by taking a 700 mile bus ride to play an NAIA team.
Come home to play just good enough (DEFENSE) to beat Redlands.
This week a bye.
[color=purple]If we aren't living off reputation I don't know what it is.
You're all very gracious.[/color]
Win the conference, go where they send us, see how it ends.
Agreed. 27 pts in two games??? Very unlike Wildcat football. Next Saturday at Whitworth will tell the season.
Unless some changes have been started, it will be tough up there.GT
2018 Week 4 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2t) UW-Whitewater (1) 2 77
2t) St. John's 3 77
4) Linfield 5 54
5) UW-Oshkosh 4 52
6) UW-LaCrosse 6 34
7) Monmouth 8 28
8) Concordia-Moorhead 7 24
9) UW-Platteville - 18
10) Wartburg 9t 17
Dropped Out: Whitworth
RV) Whitworth (12), Central (11), Redlands (1), Bethel (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. Thomas (8) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2t) UW-Whitewater (1) 77 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
2t) St. John's 77 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Linfield 54 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 8)
5) UW-Oshkosh 52 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 9)
6) UW-Lacrosse 34 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, -, -)
7) Monmouth 28 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, -)
8) Concordia-Moorhead 24 ( 4, 6, 6, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
9) UW-Platteville 18 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) Wartburg 17 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 12 ( 6, 7, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 11 ( 5, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more if anyone is interested!!
Games of note this week....
UST at Concordia
Linfield at Whitworth
Whitewater at LaCrosse
2018 Week 5 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 2t 78
3) St. John's 2t 76
4) UW-Oshkosh 5 63
5) Whitworth - 42
6) UW-Platteville 9 37
7) Central - 29
8) Monmouth 7 25
9) Linfield 4 21
10) UW-LaCrosse 6 19
Dropped Out: Concordia-Moorhead, Wartburg
RV) Bethel (12), St. Olaf (2), Redlands (2)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. Thomas (8) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 78 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) St. John's 76 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) UW-Oshkosh 63 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) Whitworth 42 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 8, 8,10)
6) UW-Platteville 37 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
7) Central 29 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8,10, -)
8) Monmouth 25 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 9, 9,10, -, -)
9) Linfield 21 ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) UW-LaCrosse 19 ( 5, 6, 7, 8,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 12 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) St. Olaf 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more if anyone is interested!!
If you read the NWC board, you'd think that they get no respect. Seems that is not so with this group of pollsters.
Quote from: art76 on October 03, 2018, 10:26:10 AM
If you read the NWC board, you'd think that they get no respect. Seems that is not so with this group of pollsters.
C'mon now--we have like 2 or 3 guys who are caught up on stuff that happened over a decade ago...some of us feel like we are getting too much respect at this point in time...
Yup, most of the voters here still consider them a solid team in the West. I'm anxious to see where Whitworth goes from here. I mean, they should win out, along with Linfield.
A weekend worth of notable conference games was so welcomed, and helped clarify things. Looks like the WIAC pecking order has been stabilized (though I have LaCrosse ahead of Platteville).
What to do with Monmouth? Sweet win over Wartburg (who I was high on to begin the season), but now that Wartburg is stumbling, does that change the view on them? I have Monmouth at #5 in my poll. They don't have any marque games left, so I think it'll be tough for them to stay in the mix in the West as the season goes on.
As for Whitworth, I wasn't high on Linfield at all this year so they're win over Linfield doesn't carry much weight with me at this point. I'm keeping an open mind though.
Big games this week in the West:
SJU @ Bethel 6-Oct
Whit @ Gfox 6-Oct
UWO @ UWW 6-Oct
Quote from: wm4 on October 03, 2018, 11:41:39 AM
A weekend worth of notable conference games was so welcomed, and helped clarify things. Looks like the WIAC pecking order has been stabilized (though I have LaCrosse ahead of Platteville).
What to do with Monmouth? Sweet win over Wartburg (who I was high on to begin the season), but now that Wartburg is stumbling, does that change the view on them? I have Monmouth at #5 in my poll. They don't have any marque games left, so I think it'll be tough for them to stay in the mix in the West as the season goes on.
As for Whitworth, I wasn't high on Linfield at all this year so they're win over Linfield doesn't carry much weight with me at this point. I'm keeping an open mind though.
Big games this week in the West:
SJU @ Bethel 6-Oct
Whit @ Gfox 6-Oct
UWO @ UWW 6-Oct
What made you think Linfield was down this season? You seemed to be ahead of the curve on this, based on what you ranked them to start the year.
I had Bethel and Redlands. Dropped LAX. Still not sold on Monmouth
I have Monmouth at #7. The fact they lost to Wheaton, who just destroyed NCC, improved that quality loss in my mind (if that makes sense). Plus they've outscored their previous two opponents 86-0, including a win over Macalester (who's only loss so far has been to Monmouth).
But I agree that quality win over Wartburg is looking less impressive with Wartburg losing at home to Simpson.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 03, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
What made you think Linfield was down this season? You seemed to be ahead of the curve on this, based on what you ranked them to start the year.
Compared to other top teams in the West, they were returning very few starters on defense, which caught my eye. On the other side of the ball, they were returning a bunch on offense, but 2017's offense for Linfield wasn't all the much to write home about, particularly in the second half of last year. Collectively, that's why I had them #8 in the preseason. I had them bunched w/ Concordia and Whitworth, with not much separation between those 3. Through 3 games, their defense seems solid enough, but offensively they struggle to score points.
It is interesting to see 2-2 LaCrosse ranked, but 2-2 Concordia has fallen off the map to not receiving votes. Especially with a common opponent in hand, and that playing slightly to Concordia's favor. It is always a quandary on where to rank solid teams that have really tough schedules like the two noted above.
Quote from: wm4 on October 03, 2018, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 03, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
What made you think Linfield was down this season? You seemed to be ahead of the curve on this, based on what you ranked them to start the year.
Compared to other top teams in the West, they were returning very few starters on defense, which caught my eye. On the other side of the ball, they were returning a bunch on offense, but 2017's offense for Linfield wasn't all the much to write home about, particularly in the second half of last year. Collectively, that's why I had them #8 in the preseason. I had them bunched w/ Concordia and Whitworth, with not much separation between those 3. Through 3 games, their defense seems solid enough, but offensively they struggle to score points.
Fair enough. It's interesting because, like you stated, they returned 9 on offense and just 1 on defense. However, it's their experienced offense that's not getting it done this year, and their inexperienced defense that seems to be keeping it close.
Funny how that works out.
Quote from: miac952 on October 03, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
It is interesting to see 2-2 LaCrosse ranked, but 2-2 Concordia has fallen off the map to not receiving votes. Especially with a common opponent in hand, and that playing slightly to Concordia's favor. It is always a quandary on where to rank solid teams that have really tough schedules like the two noted above.
Losses are similar, but UW-LaCrosse has a solid win AND Concordia got blown out this last week. Concordia won big against a couple of bad teams, but I have no idea how much weight those games should get.
Quote from: miac952 on October 03, 2018, 02:05:13 PM
It is interesting to see 2-2 LaCrosse ranked, but 2-2 Concordia has fallen off the map to not receiving votes. Especially with a common opponent in hand, and that playing slightly to Concordia's favor. It is always a quandary on where to rank solid teams that have really tough schedules like the two noted above.
I had neither in my top 10.
But I'm guessing most voters noticed they had UWL has a quality win (IL-Wesleyan) under its belt, which is something Concordia-Moorhead hasn't achieved yet. Plus UWL's first loss was to a scholarship program in the NAIA.
02 Warhawk,
Appreciated your salient point about UWL's defeat by a scholarship NAIA team.
As a Fan Poll rookie, those opponents from outside of D3 have turned my evaluation of a couple teams' records from a mere head-scratcher into what Winston Churchill once characterized the Russians: "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma." 8-)
Btw, muchas gracias for doing such a fine job running this WRFP!
Cheers,
Hem
Quote from: Hemingway13 on October 03, 2018, 09:46:03 PM
02 Warhawk,
Appreciated your salient point about UWL's defeat by a scholarship NAIA team.
As a Fan Poll rookie, those opponents from outside of D3 have turned my evaluation of a couple teams' records from a mere head-scratcher into what Winston Churchill once characterized the Russians: "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma." 8-)
Btw, muchas gracias for doing such a fine job running this WRFP!
Cheers,
Hem
I dunno... Stevens Point is probably gonna go 2-8 and they put a shlobberknocker on one of those "scholarship NAIA" teams.
2018 Week 6 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. Thomas (8) 1 89
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 2 79
3) St. John's 3 75
4) Whitworth 5 51
5) UW-Platteville 6 43
6) UW-Oshkosh 4 42
7) Monmouth 8 30
8) Central 7 25
9) Linfield 9 22
10) UW-LaCrosse 10 15
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) Redlands (9), Bethel (6), St. Olaf (4), Wartburg (3), Simpson (2)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. Thomas (8) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (1) 79 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) St. John's 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Whitworth 51 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
5) UW-Platteville 43 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9)
6) UW-Oshkosh 42 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 9,10, -)
7) Monmouth 30 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9,10,10)
8) Central 25 ( 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -)
9) Linfield 22 ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 9,10,10,10, -)
10) UW-LaCrosse 15 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 9 ( 5, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Bethel 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Olaf 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Simpson 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
True.
They should skate to the semis and should be happy.
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.
Quote from: art76 on October 09, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.
I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 09, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.
I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.
Very valid points. Guru Pat may chime in here with other insight. I know that there are nuances involved in the setting up of the bracket at the end of the year.
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 09, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.
I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.
The ultimate counting of chickens while they're still eggs.
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Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 09, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.
I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.
The ultimate counting of chickens while they're still eggs.
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Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
This is a bad narrative. How did Mount Union waltz last year? Or the year before?
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 09, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 09, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: miac952 on October 09, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 09, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.
Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.
My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch
I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.
I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.
The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic. Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll. St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship. Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV. But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 08, 2018, 01:10:29 PM
So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before. That's not a thing that is in play at all.
If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas
And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket. Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did. I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round. Just too many variables at that point.
But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg. We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 10, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic. Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll. St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship. Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV. But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 08, 2018, 01:10:29 PM
So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before. That's not a thing that is in play at all.
If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas
And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket. Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did. I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round. Just too many variables at that point.
But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg. We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.
I agree with your logic there, but I'm questioning whether matching up the 1 vs 4 seed in the tournament is really a thing that happens. Mount and UMHB, if they remain undefeated, will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. But is there actual precedent for the #3 and #4 seeds to be paired with #2 and #1?
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 10, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 10, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic. Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll. St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship. Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV. But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 08, 2018, 01:10:29 PM
So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before. That's not a thing that is in play at all.
If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas
And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket. Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did. I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round. Just too many variables at that point.
But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg. We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.
I agree with your logic there, but I'm questioning whether matching up the 1 vs 4 seed in the tournament is really a thing that happens. Mount and UMHB, if they remain undefeated, will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. But is there actual precedent for the #3 and #4 seeds to be paired with #2 and #1?
I want to say that the answer here is yes, but I'd need to look closer to be sure. Certainly last year's bracket was set up in a logical 1-4 / 2-3 format. It would have been the easiest thing ever for The Committee™ to take that all East region bracket and pair it with Mount Union's bracket and call it good. But they didn't- they paired the regions according to a proper ranking of the top seeds and Brockport went to Texas instead of Ohio.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 10, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 10, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 10, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic. Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll. St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship. Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV. But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 08, 2018, 01:10:29 PM
So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before. That's not a thing that is in play at all.
If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas
And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket. Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did. I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round. Just too many variables at that point.
But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg. We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.
I agree with your logic there, but I'm questioning whether matching up the 1 vs 4 seed in the tournament is really a thing that happens. Mount and UMHB, if they remain undefeated, will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. But is there actual precedent for the #3 and #4 seeds to be paired with #2 and #1?
I want to say that the answer here is yes, but I'd need to look closer to be sure. Certainly last year's bracket was set up in a logical 1-4 / 2-3 format. It would have been the easiest thing ever for The Committee™ to take that all East region bracket and pair it with Mount Union's bracket and call it good. But they didn't- they paired the regions according to a proper ranking of the top seeds and Brockport went to Texas instead of Ohio.
But last year, the likely #1 and #2 (teams from the previous championship game that remained undefeated) would be UMHB and Oshkosh. That would have put Mount as the #3 and Brockport as the #4 which maybe seems logical?
2018 Week 7 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (5) 3 86
2) UW-Whitewater (4) 2 85
3) St. Thomas 1 63
4) UW-Oshkosh 6 59
5) Whitworth 4 56
6) Central 8 31
7) Monmouth 7 30
8) Linfield 9 29
9) Bethel - 20
10) UW-LaCrosse 10 19
Dropped Out: UW-Platteville
RV) UW-Platteville (16), Dubuque (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
An observation and a note - I find it fascinating that after seven weeks of play, only 12 teams received votes - that's a pretty good consensus.
For the first time this year, the ten teams I picked all made it.
1) St. John's (5) 86 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (4) 85 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) St. Thomas 63 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 7)
4) UW-Oshkosh 59 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7)
5) Whitworth 56 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
6) Central 31 ( 3, 3, 7, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -)
7) Monmouth 30 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10)
8) Linfield 29 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9,10,10, -)
9) Bethel 20 ( 6, 6, 8, 8, 8,10, -, -, -)
10) UW-LaCrosse 19 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 16 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: art76 on October 16, 2018, 08:38:16 AM
An observation and a note - I find it fascinating that after seven weeks of play, only 12 teams received votes - that's a pretty good consensus.
For the first time this year, the ten teams I picked all made it.
Yeah, I was shocked as well that only 2 teams received other votes (considering we had 5 last week). Early in the season is when we usually see numerous teams receiving votes, as we're only guessing which teams will be good considering we have little information about them outside maybe
Kickoff. Then as the year goes on, and games get played out, we seem to have a better understanding on who's good and who isn't. So it makes sense that our picks become more and more alike as the season progresses.
It happens every year.
West Region games to keep an eye on this week:
Concordia @ Bethel
Lin @ Gfox
LaCrosse @ UWO
Central @ Wartburg
2018 Week 8 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (5) 1 86
2) UW-Whitewater (4) 2 85
3) St. Thomas 3 64
4) UW-Oshkosh 4 63
5) Whitworth 5 57
6) Linfield 8 40
7) Monmouth 7 32
8) Bethel 9 31
9) UW-LaCrosse 10 20
10) Wartburg - 13
Dropped Out: Central
RV) Central (1), St. Norbert (1), Chapman (1), Simpson (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. John's (5) 86 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (4) 85 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) St. Thomas 64 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6, 6)
4) UW-Oshkosh 63 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) Whitworth 57 ( 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) Linfield 40 ( 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9)
7) Monmouth 32 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9,10)
8) Bethel 31 ( 5, 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9)
9) UW-LaCrosse 20 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) Wartburg 13 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) Central 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Simpson 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Very difficult to come up with the 10th team this week. For me it came down to someone from the IIAC American Rivers Conference being most deserving. I went with Simpson over Wartburg and Central. They have a decent loss to a rising Bethel and a 1 point loss to Central. They beat Wartburg at Wartburg. Central's blowout loss to a 2 loss Wartburg team removed them from consideration for me, and I gave the nod to Simpson over Wartburg given the outcome of the head to head match up a couple weeks ago.
Quote from: wm4 on October 23, 2018, 02:55:50 PM
Very difficult to come up with the 10th team this week. For me it came down to someone from the IIAC American Rivers Conference being most deserving. I went with Simpson over Wartburg and Central. They have a decent loss to a rising Bethel and a 1 point loss to Central. They beat Wartburg at Wartburg. Central's blowout loss to a 2 loss Wartburg team removed them from consideration for me, and I gave the nod to Simpson over Wartburg given the outcome of the head to head match up a couple weeks ago.
I agree, it's hard ranking one ARC team over the other. I ended up going with Wartburg because they just destroyed a good Central team who Simpson lost to. That was tough for me to do considering Simpson beat Wartburg head to head, which I threw out once each team got their second loss. Also, since I have Monmouth higher than Bethel I think the Wartburg loss to Monmouth is (barely) a better loss than Simpson losing to Bethel. It's splitting hairs, I know, but that's just how I looked at it.
Then of course it took UWL
losing for me to finally put them in my top 10 (at #9).
It's interesting that a couple people voted the Tommies at 6th. As much as I like to see them get every kick in the teeth they can get, I reckon that's a bit rough. I could see someone saying that UWO is on top of the Tommies, but to say that two out of Linfield/Monmouth/Whitworth/Bethel are also better than the Tommies is a stretch.
I ain't complaining. And I'm obviously not a voter so keep my mouth shut most of the time (Ha! As if.). I just like to look at what you all think.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 23, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
It's interesting that a couple people voted the Tommies at 6th. As much as I like to see them get every kick in the teeth they can get, I reckon that's a bit rough. I could see someone saying that UWO is on top of the Tommies, but to say that two out of Linfield/Monmouth/Whitworth/Bethel are also better than the Tommies is a stretch.
I ain't complaining. And I'm obviously not a voter so keep my mouth shut most of the time (Ha! As if.). I just like to look at what you all think.
Based on the resume: record and SOS, I could see putting Bethel ahead of UST, but none of the others. I feel pretty confident we'll straighten that out with Bethel in a few weeks by punching them in the teeth, but as of now I'd allow it
I think there are a few who see UST as overrated and want to do their part to bring balance to the world.
UST is in a weird spot. Their resume so far is anything but impressive. They've only played one team so far that's .500 or better....and they lost to that team by 20. Their SOS is 136. Besides the SJU game, their schedule strength is pretty much all back loaded. I'm guessing people are waiting to see how they perform against these three remaining solid MIAC teams before giving them the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I have them third. I think they'll win out and finish with one loss.
Their last game should be a dandy at Bethel, with a Pool C bid going to the winner (most likely).
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
I'm guessing people are waiting to see how they perform against these three remaining solid MIAC teams before giving them the benefit of the doubt.
There is zero chance they'll lose to St. Olaf, and I would be very surprised if they don't Double Stomp GAC. Bethel will be a bit more of a challenge, but I still envision a Stomp.
One thing that hurt U$T against the Johnnies is that they hadn't played a complete game. They'd outscored opponents 306-28 up to that point. No one had come out, moved the ball fairly easily, and scored multiple times on their starters. Every time U$T would make a big play, the Johnnies would come out confident and respond. That's tough on the psyche.
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 23, 2018, 11:26:02 PM
Based on the resume: record and SOS, I could see putting Bethel ahead of UST, but none of the others.
This is exactly why I have Bethel in front of St. Thomas. That, and BU seemed to be a better match for the Johnnies. Week 11 is definitely a showdown.
Quote from: DuffMan on October 24, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
I'm guessing people are waiting to see how they perform against these three remaining solid MIAC teams before giving them the benefit of the doubt.
There is zero chance they'll lose to St. Olaf, and I would be very surprised if they don't Double Stomp GAC. Bethel will be a bit more of a challenge, but I still envision a Stomp.
One thing that hurt U$T against the Johnnies is that they hadn't played a complete game. They'd outscored opponents 306-28 up to that point. No one had come out, moved the ball fairly easily, and scored multiple times on their starters. Every time U$T would make a big play, the Johnnies would come out confident and respond. That's tough on the psyche.
Agree with you on all accounts. But I think some on here are waiting to see how they do down the stretch, rather than assuming.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
But I think some on here are waiting to see how they do down the stretch, rather than assuming.
I can't blame them. If there were a way for both Bethel and U$T to lose their matchup, I'd be all for it. ;D
I still threw a bone to Central, and don't have LAX in my 10. I have Bethel low at 9, but I am in wait in see mode. The win against Simpson is offset by the squeaker against River Falls.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on October 24, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
I'm guessing people are waiting to see how they perform against these three remaining solid MIAC teams before giving them the benefit of the doubt.
There is zero chance they'll lose to St. Olaf, and I would be very surprised if they don't Double Stomp GAC. Bethel will be a bit more of a challenge, but I still envision a Stomp.
One thing that hurt U$T against the Johnnies is that they hadn't played a complete game. They'd outscored opponents 306-28 up to that point. No one had come out, moved the ball fairly easily, and scored multiple times on their starters. Every time U$T would make a big play, the Johnnies would come out confident and respond. That's tough on the psyche.
Agree with you on all accounts. But I think some on here are waiting to see how they do down the stretch, rather than assuming.
The Johnnie victory was due to the assets of the Jays rather than the deficiencies of the Toms. ;)
But seriously, the Toms are big and strong and fast. No common D3 team will have any chance against them, Duffman is right, the Tommies will be serving up Stomp and DoubleStomps with extra sauce from now until selection day. We'll obviously see how it plays out (and i would love to see a Royal victory) but there will be no surprise ending in this movie. Unfortunately.
Quote from: art76 on October 24, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on October 23, 2018, 11:26:02 PM
Based on the resume: record and SOS, I could see putting Bethel ahead of UST, but none of the others.
This is exactly why I have Bethel in front of St. Thomas. That, and BU seemed to be a better match for the Johnnies. Week 11 is definitely a showdown.
I'm surprised by the number that have Linfield and Whitworth as high as they do. And Monmouth for that matter. Bethel utterly dominated a Cobber team that was at least a little competition for UWW and UST. Their two scores came on a muffed punt return with the wind (and a subsequent Rumble 6 for BU that got dubiously whistled dead for forward progress) and against BU's third stringers on D.
It doesn't matter for much of anything. Bethel will have every chance to prove their mettle against UST to end the season. But I'd feel confident in Bethel against all three of the teams ranked immediately above them. If I had to read the tea leaves, I'm guessing the voters from out West appear to have inflated the resumes of Whitworth and Linfield (the latter especially). Linfield at 4 in the Regions seems like a stretch and an outlier.
On Monmouth, they beat Wartburg early and in my case I had Wartburg rated highly so I then put a lot of value on Monmouth. However, as the season has played out, both Wartburg and Wheaton (their other quality opponent) really haven't distinguished themselves. For me then, I've got Monmouth drifting back to #7 in my poll, when at one time I had them rated as high as #5.
On Linfield, I have them at #6. I wasn't impressed w/ them coming into the season and they gave me no reason to change that view as they first half of the season unfolded. However as the season has continued to unfold and other teams have gone by the wayside (LaCrosse, Platteville, Central), I've moved Linfield up. I do believe they're better than Monmouth, but with the head to head loss to Whitworth, I've got them at 6.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 24, 2018, 02:03:25 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on October 24, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
I'm guessing people are waiting to see how they perform against these three remaining solid MIAC teams before giving them the benefit of the doubt.
There is zero chance they'll lose to St. Olaf, and I would be very surprised if they don't Double Stomp GAC. Bethel will be a bit more of a challenge, but I still envision a Stomp.
One thing that hurt U$T against the Johnnies is that they hadn't played a complete game. They'd outscored opponents 306-28 up to that point. No one had come out, moved the ball fairly easily, and scored multiple times on their starters. Every time U$T would make a big play, the Johnnies would come out confident and respond. That's tough on the psyche.
Agree with you on all accounts. But I think some on here are waiting to see how they do down the stretch, rather than assuming.
The Johnnie victory was due to the assets of the Jays rather than the deficiencies of the Toms. ;)
But seriously, the Toms are big and strong and fast. No common D3 team will have any chance against them, Duffman is right, the Tommies will be serving up Stomp and DoubleStomps with extra sauce from now until selection day. We'll obviously see how it plays out (and i would love to see a Royal victory) but there will be no surprise ending in this movie. Unfortunately.
Unfortunately for UST they went into the SJU game without any significant resistance from anyone save for the first quarter of the Augsburg game. Couple that with some breakout performances from SJU wide receivers, the best QB I've seen in D3 since Alex Tanney, a program playing inspired for Gags, and offense largely kept under wraps for the early part of the season, the result was an absolute blitzkrieg. UST probably should have and could have slowed the game down significantly by pounding Parks 35 times, but Parks was not without his faults that game, including swing pass Parks just careened like a rugby lateral into the arms of a waiting Johnnie and a fumble on the one that SJU housed were absolute back breakers.
All things aside, it didn't sound to me like Caruso was a) surprised by the outcome; and b) all that disappointed. I don't think if that game is played 10 times on a neutral site UST would get beat all 10, so I'm not too nervous about the team from here-on-out. That said, a loss is a loss, and it was, at least from a score perspective, more lopsided than I would like. I think the absence of Trettel, while beneficial to Parks getting a rhythm going and really showing what he's capable of, will ultimately hurt UST unless they can establish a true RB2 that they can count on for 10+ carries a game. Loeffler, Pallini and Green are all capable weapons, but I'd like to see them come up big the next 3 weeks.
I still think UST is a top 5/6 team in the country and can compete to get to a Stagg Bowl. I think Bethel plays a brand of football that will suit UST's strengths well on defense and the Tommies get in at 9-1. That said, St. Olaf will have a chip on their shoulder, especially after what happened last year; GAC has shown in the recent past they can give UST issues; and the Bethel game will most likely be for an at-large bid, so there will be extra implications for that match up. UST needs to be in playoff mode now.
Same exact here. right now I have Monmouth 7, Bethel 8
Quote from: wm4 on October 24, 2018, 02:33:13 PM
On Monmouth, they beat Wartburg early and in my case I had Wartburg rated highly so I then put a lot of value on Monmouth. However, as the season has played out, both Wartburg and Wheaton (their other quality opponent) really haven't distinguished themselves. For me then, I've got Monmouth drifting back to #7 in my poll, when at one time I had them rated as high as #5.
On Linfield, I have them at #6. I wasn't impressed w/ them coming into the season and they gave me no reason to change that view as they first half of the season unfolded. However as the season has continued to unfold and other teams have gone by the wayside (LaCrosse, Platteville, Central), I've moved Linfield up. I do believe they're better than Monmouth, but with the head to head loss to Whitworth, I've got them at 6.
Pretty much my train of thought as well. Since that impressive win (at the time) against Wartburg, Monmouth has been on an absolute tear the past 5 games:
37-0
49-0
55-0
45-13
51-0
I know they play in a weak conference. But good teams are suppose to win games like this against lesser foes. Just ask UST and Mount Union against the bottom of the MIAC and OAC. And no, I'm not saying Monmouth is at the same level as those purple powers...that would be silly. I still have St. Thomas #3 in the West.
I also have Whitworth 5, Linfield 6, Monmouth 7 and Bethel 8.
Trettel is supposed to be back this week for UST. We'll see how he looks though.
@USTBench ... Agree on most of that. If UST wins out, the loss could actually be a blessing in disguise. If they stay healthy down this stretch run, it puts their backs to the wall in a way that UST doesn't usually have to worry about. The added focus and intensity gained could be a major asset. Something similar happened for BU in 2006, 2007, and 2010. At most, a 9-1 UST team will have maybe lost out on the chance to host a region final game (I'm assuming they'd be on the road for the semi's with Mount and UMHB top seeds). Maybe they have to go on the road in rd 2, but unless they got screwed by their matchup, I'd heavily favor UST against any likely Rd 2 opponent.
@02 Warhawk:
Monmouth has a good looking home win against Wartburg. But that's a wash IMO when compared with BU's win @Simpson, who beat Wart on the road at Walston-Hoover (as tough a road location as there is in the ARC).
And I just put zero significance in the lopsided scores Monmouth has put up since. The other MWC teams are terrible. Concordia, GAC, St. Olaf would all be unbeaten outside of Monmouth. Shoot, even Augsburg beat Ripon, and Augsburg is B-A-D bad this year. It's not a huge deal, and fun to discuss on these boards obviously :), but I'd love BU's chances against Monmouth. And their scores would look just as nice as Monmouth if they could play Carleton level teams every week (which is essentially what the MWC is made up of).
The only anomaly on BU's schedule is the win against UWRF, and BU's freshman QB was getting his first start that game. He's grown immensely since then. As has the team's confidence.
Quote from: hazzben on October 24, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
@USTBench ... Agree on most of that. If UST wins out, the loss could actually be a blessing in disguise. If they stay healthy down this stretch run, it puts their backs to the wall in a way that UST doesn't usually have to worry about. The added focus and intensity gained could be a major asset. Something similar happened for BU in 2006, 2007, and 2010. At most, a 9-1 UST team will have maybe lost out on the chance to host a region final game (I'm assuming they'd be on the road for the semi's with Mount and UMHB top seeds). Maybe they have to go on the road in rd 2, but unless they got screwed by their matchup, I'd heavily favor UST against any likely Rd 2 opponent.
@02 Warhawk:
Monmouth has a good looking home win against Wartburg. But that's a wash IMO when compared with BU's win @Simpson, who beat Wart on the road at Walston-Hoover (as tough a road location as there is in the ARC).
And I just put zero significance in the lopsided scores Monmouth has put up since. The other MWC teams are terrible. Concordia, GAC, St. Olaf would all be unbeaten outside of Monmouth. Shoot, even Augsburg beat Ripon, and Augsburg is B-A-D bad this year. It's not a huge deal, and fun to discuss on these boards obviously :), but I'd love BU's chances against Monmouth. And their scores would look just as nice as Monmouth if they could play Carleton level teams every week (which is essentially what the MWC is made up of).
The only anomaly on BU's schedule is the win against UWRF, and BU's freshman QB was getting his first start that game. He's grown immensely since then. As has the team's confidence.
Wartburg is a tough one to figure out. They had that close loss to Simpson, then they just destroyed a very solid Central team...which was a great win in my opinion.
I just think Monmouth beating Wartburg (by a touchdown) is that signature win which gives them that ever-so-slight edge over Bethel. Bethel destroying Concordia was impressive, but they're about to be 3-5 after this Saturday.
I'm not saying the two teams are worlds apart, I have one team BARELY over the other. I'm just splitting hairs.
Whitworth is one behind Bethel in the Massey Ratings. So that's a toss up.
Logan Hansen has Whitworth 15th and Bethel 13th.
I think voters are ranking Whitworth properly and not giving Bethel the credit they're due.
THat's all timing, I think. I know it is for me. When they only beat W-RF by five, I moved them out. There's a lot of competition from 6 downward in my ballot. I have Whitworth at 4 because they haven't done anything for me to downgrade them, they have a decent power rating resume (as seen above) and others (Platteville, Linfield, Central, Wartburg, LaCrosse) have lost to clear them out.
Whitworth's schedule was also front loaded, as opposed to Bethel having St. Thomas to end the season. Bethel's also hurt a bit by the MIAC middle not being as impressive as in the past (a down C-M year hurts the league
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 24, 2018, 03:37:29 PM
I'm not saying the two teams are worlds apart, I have one team BARELY over the other. I'm just splitting hairs.
Agreed, but the hair splitting is 'Oh so fun' ;D
Quote from: smedindy on October 24, 2018, 04:46:13 PM
Whitworth is one behind Bethel in the Massey Ratings. So that's a toss up.
Logan Hansen has Whitworth 15th and Bethel 13th.
I think voters are ranking Whitworth properly and not giving Bethel the credit they're due.
I wouldn't argue with this. Those close to the program knew this was going to be a very good team, if they could find a solid QB. They've definitely got their guy in Roste and he's only going to improve going forward. But when expectations are so low, it takes time to change them. And beating Simpson isn't near as helpful as beating SJU or UST when it comes to accomplishing that.
Oh, some work to be done this week. The Iowa and Wisconsin results will have the panelists earning their pay.
Placing teams 8 - 10 was not easy. I barely have 2 WIAC teams in there.
2018 Week 9 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (6) 1 87
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 2 84
3) St. Thomas 3 66
4) Whitworth 5 65
5) Linfield 6 47
6) Bethel 8 46
7) Monmouth 7 38
8) UW-Oshkosh 4 17
9) UW-LaCrosse 9 14
10) Wartburg 10 13
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) Simpson (8), St. Norbert (4), Dubuque (4), Redlands (2)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. John's (6) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) St. Thomas 66 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5)
4) Whitworth 65 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) Linfield 47 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 8)
6) Bethel 46 ( 4, 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) Monmouth 38 ( 4, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9)
8) UW-Oshkosh 17 ( 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -, -)
9) UW-LaCrosse 14 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) Wartburg 13 ( 6, 8, 8,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Simpson 8 ( 6,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I reckon that's pretty solid poll. The top four are pretty straight forward but then there is some real work after that.
I don't know enough about the ARC teams but I wonder if Wartburg is the top or if Simpson is. It's a line ball, that's for sure.
Ir could be Dubuque. I threw in for them.,
Quote from: smedindy on November 02, 2018, 12:44:13 AM
Ir could be Dubuque. I threw in for them.,
That is worth some +karma from this corner.
Another week and another tough job for the pollsters. Where do the Tommies belong after the GAC game? Where does Dubuque go before the match against Wartburg? The Linfield scare? With UWO out, what does that say about the WIAC?
Not easy at all. Tricky season this year.
2018 Week 10 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (6) 1 87
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 2 84
3) Whitworth 4 66
4) St. Thomas 3 61
5) Bethel 6 56
6) Linfield 5 43
7) Monmouth 7 37
8) UW-LaCrosse 9 18
9) Wartburg 10 17
10) Dubuque N/A 12
Dropped Out: UW-Oshkosh
RV) St. Norbert (6), CMS (4), Redlands (3), Simpson (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. John's (6) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Whitworth 66 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
4) St. Thomas 61 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5) Bethel 56 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) Linfield 43 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, -)
7) Monmouth 37 ( 4, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
8) UW-LaCrosse 18 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -)
9) Wartburg 17 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) Dubuque 12 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) St. Norbert 6 ( 7, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Simpson 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
http://d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Quote from: MANDGSU on November 07, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
http://d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Fan poll > regional rankings
Badly jinxed all 3 SCIAC teams that I unwisely ranked at #10 this season. 😎 My final one, CMS Stags, lost to the Pomona Pitzer Sagehens today which means that CMS now shares the SCIAC Championship with Redlands Bulldogs. Best of luck to the Stags who will be going to the playoffs for the first time in well over a decade.
Pomona Pitzer had one of its best seasons in recent memory, losing just twice in conference play by a total of 6 points. Redlands did a lot better than I had expected with a relatively young squad, so the Bulldogs will be returning nearly 3/4 of their starters. Last but not least, well done Occidental to show the grit needed to overcome the disappointment of forfeiting 2017.
Congratulations to all in the West Region for a scintillating season. Also congrats to Pat Coleman, Josh Smith and the D3 'Kickoff 2018" crew who accurately predicted the top SCIAC teams and even called that its champion would suffer a defeat in conference games.
Of course, we West Region Fan Pollsters owe a ton of gratitude to "02 Warhawk" for his indefatigable efforts and exceedingly good-natured running of this!
Cheers!
Hem
Quote from: Hemingway13 on November 11, 2018, 02:02:00 AM
Badly jinxed all 3 SCIAC teams that I unwisely ranked at #10 this season. 😎 My final one, CMS Stags, lost to the Pomona Pitzer Sagehens today which means that CMS now shares the SCIAC Championship with Redlands Bulldogs. Best of luck to the Stags who will be going to the playoffs for the first time in well over a decade.
Pomona Pitzer had one of its best seasons in recent memory, losing just twice in conference play by a total of 6 points. Redlands did a lot better than I had expected with a relatively young squad, so the Bulldogs will be returning nearly 3/4 of their starters. Last but not least, well done Occidental to show the grit needed to overcome the disappointment of forfeiting 2017.
Congratulations to all in the West Region for a scintillating season. Also congrats to Pat Coleman, Josh Smith and the D3 'Kickoff 2018" crew who accurately predicted the top SCIAC teams and even called that its champion would suffer a defeat in conference games.
Of course, we West Region Fan Pollsters owe a ton of gratitude to "02 Warhawk" for his indefatigable efforts and exceedingly good-natured running of this!
Cheers!
Hem
Ha! I think you're giving me too much credit. I just enjoy doing it because it gives me a break from doing actual work while in the office.
But thank you!
On a side note, I'm still waiting on one more poll before releasing this week's. I'll put it out tomorrow, with or without a certain Wartburg fan's entry ;)
2018 Final Regular Season West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (7) 1 88
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 2 83
3) Whitworth 3 70
4) Bethel 5 64
5) Linfield 6 51
6) St. Thomas 4 38
7) Wartburg 9 36
8) UW-LaCrosse 8 26
9) St. Norbert N/A 16
10) Monmouth 7 7
Dropped Out: Dubuque
RV) Central (6), UW-Oshkosh (4), 6CMS (4), Martin Luther (1), Redlands (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: art76, wartnight, wm4, doolittledog, desercat1, TwoArmedScot, smedindy, Hemingway13 and 02 Warhawk.
1) St. John's (7) 88 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 83 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Whitworth 70 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) Bethel 64 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) Linfield 51 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7)
6) St. Thomas 38 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, -)
7) Wartburg 36 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) UW-LaCrosse 26 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8,10, -)
9) St. Norbert 16 ( 6, 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) Monmouth 7 ( 7, 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 6 ( 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Oshkosh 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Martin Luther 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Another good year of ranking. Thanks all.
(And I look forward to seeing the Johnnies run the table in the last ranking of the year post-Stagg)
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 15, 2018, 11:02:52 PM
Another good year of ranking. Thanks all.
(And I look forward to seeing the Johnnies run the table in the last ranking of the year post-Stagg)
Maybe they will be ranked behind UWW in the Final Poll if they win the Stagg. Since they are "ranked" above UWW in both the West Region Fan Poll and the d3.com poll, but are "ranked" behind UWW in the NCAA rankings.
We may have 1 or 2 spots open if any West fans are interest in joining us this year. Shoot me a message if you're interested.
Thanks
Will post the preseason poll shortly after Labor Day. Still holding out for one more person to join.
If interested please shoot me a PM.
Thanks
2019 Preseason West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (6) - 86
2) UW-Whitewater (2) - 82
3) St. Thomas (1) - 67
4) Bethel - 62
5) Linfield - 51
6) Whitworth - 50
t7) Wartburg - 23
t7) UW-LaCrosse - 23
9) UW-Oshkosh - 20
10) St. Norbert - 19
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) UW-Stout (5), Redlands (4), Central (2), Dubuque (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) St. John's (6) 86 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3)
2) UW-Whitewater (2) 82 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) St. Thomas (1) 67 ( 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6)
4) Bethel 62 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6)
5) Linfield 51 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
6) Whitworth 50 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, -)
t7) Wartburg 23 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10)
t7) UW-LaCrosse 23 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8,10,10, -)
9) UW-Oshkosh 20 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) St. Norbert 19 ( 7, 7, 7, 9, 9,10,10,10, -)
RV) UW-Stout 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more participant if anyone is interested.
2019 Week 1 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) - 87
2) St. John's (1) - 81
3) St. Thomas (1) - 66
4) Bethel - 60
5) Whitworth - 56
6) Linfield - 53
7) Wartburg - 29
8) UW-LaCrosse - 26
9) UW-Oshkosh - 13
10) UW-Stout - 11
Dropped Out: St. Norbert
RV) Redlands (7), Central (5), UW-Platteville (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3)
2) St. John's (1) 81 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) St. Thomas (1) 66 ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6)
4) Bethel 60 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6)
5) Whitworth 56 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) Linfield 53 ( 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 8)
7) Wartburg 29 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9,10)
8) UW-LaCrosse 26 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, -)
9) UW-Oshkosh 13 ( 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
10) UW-Stout 11 ( 6, 8,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 7 ( 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more participant if anyone is interested.
Updated through week 2 (8 total voters this week):
1. Whitewater (6) 77pts
2. St Johns (1) 72
3. St Thomas (1) 62
4t. Bethel 50
4t. Whitworth 50
6. Linfield 46
7. LaCrosse 29
8. Wartburg 26
9. Redlands 13
10. Central 9
RV Oshkosh (3), Gustavus (1), St Norbert (1), Platteville (1)
Whitworth gained some support and moved into a tie w/ Bethel. LaCrosse, off their OT win over nationally ranked Illinois Wesleyan jumped ahead of Wartburg, and Oshkosh and Stout both dropped out after losses last weekend. Replacing them were Redlands and Central, but certainly no consensus as 4 other teams were ranked by voters in those last two spots.
And here's the voting breakdown:
1. Whitewater (6) 77 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3
2. St Johns (1) 72 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3
3. St Thomas (1) 62 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6
4. Bethel 50 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6
4. Whitworth 50 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5
6. Linfield 46 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8
7. LaCrosse 29 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 10
8. Wartburg 26 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9
9. Redlands 13 7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10
10.Central 9 8, 9, 9, 10, 10
RV Oshkosh 3 9, 10
RV Gustavus 1 10
RV St Norbert 1 10
RV Platteville 1 10
West Region games of note this week....
Gustavus (2-0) at St Johns (1-0) huge early season MIAC tilt in Collegeville
Linfield (1-0) at Redlands (2-0) 9pm central kick, so a nice little West region nightcap to end the day, feature game out West so far.
Whitworth (1-0) at Chapman (1-0), also a 9pm kick
Platteville hosts Thomas More No longer a D3 battle, but should be an interesting game
So where is everyone ranking Chapman and Redlands this week?
4. Redlands
10. Chapman
Quote from: OCguy on September 22, 2019, 05:45:21 PM
So where is everyone ranking Chapman and Redlands this week?
Dang. I hadn't checked the scores, just assuming that the showdown would be Linfield and Whitworth later in the year. Yowzers.
Not an easy week to select teams 6-10, for sure. Some teams have only played two games (UST, SJU), some haven't played anybody of note yet (Wartburg, Central), some have played two tough games (Gustavus, Concordia, LaCrosse), some have weird NAIA results mixed in (WIAC). I was very impressed by Redlands and Chapman and their wins over NWC foes. Still relatively few data points to go off of, so trying to take a long view at this point on teams 6-10.
Quote from: D O.C. on September 22, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
4. Redlands
10. Chapman
Meh, I've felt like Whitworth and Linfield were both overrated before this. Linfield was living on its name and Whitworth the fact that it beat said name last year before an early playoff exit.
Quote from: hazzben on September 24, 2019, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on September 22, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
4. Redlands
10. Chapman
Meh, I've felt like Whitworth and Linfield were both overrated before this. Linfield was living on its name and Whitworth the fact that it beat said name last year before an early playoff exit.
Agreed. I can't put Redlands ahead of the top 3 MIAC teams just because they beat Linfield. I'll have them much further down than that, then have Linfield below them.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 24, 2019, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: hazzben on September 24, 2019, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on September 22, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
4. Redlands
10. Chapman
Meh, I've felt like Whitworth and Linfield were both overrated before this. Linfield was living on its name and Whitworth the fact that it beat said name last year before an early playoff exit.
Agreed. I can't put Redlands ahead of the top 3 MIAC teams just because they beat Linfield. I'll have them much further down than that, then have Linfield below them.
Lance Leipold is not walking through that door.
2019 Week 3 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) - 87
2) St. John's (1) - 81
3) St. Thomas (1) - 72
4) Bethel - 65
5) UW-LaCrosse - 44
6) Redlands - 42
7) Wartburg - 39
8) Chapman - 22
t9) Whitworth - 13
t9) Linfield - 13
Dropped Out: Central
RV) Central (7), UW-Platteville (6), UW-Oshkosh (4)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3)
2) St. John's (1) 81 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) St. Thomas (1) 72 ( 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4)
4) Bethel 65 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) UW-LaCrosse 44 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, -)
6) Redlands 42 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8)
7) Wartburg 39 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7,10)
8) Chapman 22 ( 6, 6, 8, 8, 8,10,10,10, -)
t9) Whitworth 13 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
t9) Linfield 13 ( 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
RV) Central 7 ( 8, 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Oshkosh 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more participant if anyone is interested.
Not the best slate of games in the West this week.
Bethel @ Gustavus - Third quality opponent for Gustavus, and a notable road test for Bethel as well.
The NWC and SCIAC basically take this weekend off, save for Cal Lutheran, which hosts Stout on a long road trip. That'll be worth keeping an eye on.
Quote from: wm4 on September 25, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Bethel @ Gustavus - Third quality opponent for Gustavus, and a notable road test for Bethel as well.
Yeah, GAC has seen plenty of good competition so far. This is the first major test for Bethel. We'll find out a lot on Saturday, especially in our secondary as GAC has a very good QB.
2019 Week 4 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) - 88
2) St. John's (2) - 83
3) Bethel - 72
t4) Wartburg - 49
t4) Redlands - 49
6) UW-LaCrosse - 42
7) St. Thomas - 33
8) Chapman - 23
9) Linfield - 15
t10) UW-Platteville - 14
t10) Whitworth - 14
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) Central (8), Gustavus Adolphus (5)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 88 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) St. John's (2) 83 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Bethel 72 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
t4) Wartburg 49 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7, 7,10)
t4) Redlands 49 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
6) UW-LaCrosse 42 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 7, 7, 8, 9,10)
7) St. Thomas 33 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 8, 9, 9, 9,10)
8) Chapman 23 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8,10,10, -, -)
9) Linfield 15 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -)
t10) UW-Platteville 14 ( 6, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
t10) Whitworth 14 ( 6, 8, 8,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Central 8 ( 7, 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still room for one more participant if anyone is interested.
Huh, consensus on number 3 this week.
Yeah, we don't see that very often. We're all in agreeance on Bethel.
Interesting that Wartburg jumped 3 spots this week. Certainly moving ahead of UST makes sense, but they also moved ahead of Redlands and LaCrosse. Redlands and LaCrosse were off last week, while Wartburg ultimately handled Dubuque (although at one point late in the first quarter Wartburg was down 17-0).
LaCrosse fell from 5 to 6, and Redlands moved from 6 to 5.
Games of note this week:
Concordia at UST: UST listing after last week's odd loss, Cobbers with big bounce back dominant wins these last two weeks
UWEC at UWW: First chance for UWW to assert its dominance in the WIAC; hangover game for UWEC?
UWLC at UWP: Best game in the WIAC, will UWLC hold serve and be in a good position for next week's game at UWW?
Quote from: wm4 on October 03, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Interesting that Wartburg jumped 3 spots this week. Certainly moving ahead of UST makes sense, but they also moved ahead of Redlands and LaCrosse. Redlands and LaCrosse were off last week, while Wartburg ultimately handled Dubuque (although at one point late in the first quarter Wartburg was down 17-0).
Looks like Wartburg benefited the most in this poll from St. Thomas losing. (Almost) everyone bumped Wartburg up 1 or 2 spots. I would look at the vote totals, but we're down a man this week. So the points don't really help us out when comparing it to last week.
Received a late entry this week, so I updated the poll above accordingly.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 03, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: wm4 on October 03, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Interesting that Wartburg jumped 3 spots this week. Certainly moving ahead of UST makes sense, but they also moved ahead of Redlands and LaCrosse. Redlands and LaCrosse were off last week, while Wartburg ultimately handled Dubuque (although at one point late in the first quarter Wartburg was down 17-0).
Looks like Wartburg benefited the most in this poll from St. Thomas losing. (Almost) everyone bumped Wartburg up 1 or 2 spots. I would look at the vote totals, but we're down a man this week. So the points don't really help us out when comparing it to last week.
I'm interested in seeing Wartburg's result vs Simpson. I just don't have a gauge on where they stack right now. UST crapped the bed vs. UWEC but it was a really weird loss. Can't argue with where they ended up, but I think they are better team than people might think right now. But they've got no one to blame but themselves, and every chance to prove it on the field as the season progresses.
Quote from: hazzben on October 04, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 03, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: wm4 on October 03, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
Interesting that Wartburg jumped 3 spots this week. Certainly moving ahead of UST makes sense, but they also moved ahead of Redlands and LaCrosse. Redlands and LaCrosse were off last week, while Wartburg ultimately handled Dubuque (although at one point late in the first quarter Wartburg was down 17-0).
Looks like Wartburg benefited the most in this poll from St. Thomas losing. (Almost) everyone bumped Wartburg up 1 or 2 spots. I would look at the vote totals, but we're down a man this week. So the points don't really help us out when comparing it to last week.
I'm interested in seeing Wartburg's result vs Simpson. I just don't have a gauge on where they stack right now. UST crapped the bed vs. UWEC but it was a really weird loss. Can't argue with where they ended up, but I think they are better team than people might think right now. But they've got no one to blame but themselves, and every chance to prove it on the field as the season progresses.
Yup, it wouldn't surprise if they bounce back and take down St. John's in a few weeks (in St. Paul). Not certain it'll actually happen, but very possible.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 03, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 88 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) St. John's (1) 83 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
Very minor - but I think that should be UWW (7) and SJU (2) - like the post above it - right?
...it does get a little interesting after #3.
Quote from: d-train on October 04, 2019, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 03, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 88 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) St. John's (1) 83 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
Very minor - but I think that should be UWW (7) and SJU (2) - like the post above it - right?
...it does get a little interesting after #3.
Got it, Thanks
While this week's votes are tallied, thought I'd offer up the top games in the West this weekend. Consider this to be the mother lode weekend of the season. No fewer than 6 games worth watching, across the region.
Here's what's on tap:
We'll start in the IIAC ARC, where Central hosts Dubuque. This game is intriguing for two reasons 1) Central and Wartburg appear to be the two big dogs in the ARC. Dubuque will be their only common opponents so far, so we'll have some info to compare. Wartburg beat Dubuque 42-25 two weekends ago, but they were down 17-0 early. And 2) here's a chance for Central to gain some views and notice both in the region and on a national level. Central is definitely viewed as being behind Wartburg, but would a big win over a (decent) common opponent have others take notice?
Out West, a big SCIAC tilt on tap as Redlands visits Chapman. Redlands beat Linfield on 9/21, and Chapman did the same to Whitworth. This is likely the SCIAC game of the year and the winner takes big control of the conference. Nationally, Redlands checks in at #15, while Chapman is just outside the top 25. Both teams have been pretty dominant so far. This will be a heck of a game to watch. Note this one kicks off at 9pm Central, so after you're done shoveling snow in the upper Midwest Saturday, throw a log on the fire and enjoy this one.
Next, we tour the WIAC and three huge games. First, Stevens Point heads to Oskhosh. UWSP is 2-1 vs. D3, while Oshkosh is 3-1 but 3 of their 4 games have been decided by 5 points or less. The WIAC is always tough and while this might not be the sexiest match up, it's a big game for both teams.
Next, Stout heads to LaCrosse. LaCrosse is licking their wounds after getting beat by Platteville, and Stout is just 1-4, but against a brutal schedule. If LaCrosse is who we think they are, they should take care of business here. If not, it's another game that will throw the WIAC into chaos behind Whitewater.
Speaking of, the marque WIAC game is undefeated Platteville at undefeated Whitewater. Top two teams in the conference at this point, and #19 and #3, respectively, nationally. Winner here takes control of the WIAC, while the loser falls into the clutches of the rest of the WIAC pack. Still a ton of football to go, but not too early to be thinking about who the leaders in pool C will be. This game will be worth watching for those reasons as well.
And then finally, the huge game nationally is #6 Bethel at #4 St Johns. Weather will be a factor here, as it looks to be (suddenly) cold and windy, with rain/snow. Defense and the better running game will likely have an advantage. Probably not going to expect much from either kicking games. Can't wait to see this one, good luck to both teams. This has pool C implications all over it as well.
You made me want to watch DIII football all day long.
Thanks
Quote from: D O.C. on October 08, 2019, 02:53:22 AM
You made me want to watch DIII football all day long.
Thanks
What he said^^^^^^! ;D
The unmentioned WIAC game, UWRF at UWEC, has big pool C influence too. An 8-2 St Thomas team would be a lot more attractive if UWEC powers through the rest of its schedule. If the Blugolds end up, say, 4-6, the Tommies resume suffers considerably.
For that matter, say the Blugolds win out, 8-2, with losses to St Norbert and Whitewater, win over St Thomas. ??? Lots of football to be played, of course, but the WIAC will produce, at best, two or fewer teams with one loss or better, and my money says there will be only one of those. 8-2 gonna stand a chance this year, IMO
Quote from: WW on October 08, 2019, 08:38:18 AM
The unmentioned WIAC game, UWRF at UWEC, has big pool C influence too. An 8-2 St Thomas team would be a lot more attractive if UWEC powers through the rest of its schedule. If the Blugolds end up, say, 4-6, the Tommies resume suffers considerably.
For that matter, say the Blugolds win out, 8-2, with losses to St Norbert and Whitewater, win over St Thomas. ??? Lots of football to be played, of course, but the WIAC will produce, at best, two or fewer teams with one loss or better, and my money says there will be only one of those. 8-2 gonna stand a chance this year, IMO
St. Norbert's only win (so far) was against the Blugolds, so that's not exactly looking like a quality loss for UWEC. But like you said, lots of football to be played still.
2019 Week 5 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 1 87
2) St. John's (3) 2 84
3) Bethel 3 72
4) Redlands t4 48
5) Wartburg t4 47
6) UW-Platteville 10 46
7) St. Thomas 7 37
8) Chapman 8 22
9) Linfield 9 20
10) Whitworth N/A 15
Dropped Out: UW-LaCrosse
RV) Central (11), Gustavus Adolphus (3), UW-Lacrosse (3)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) St. John's (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Bethel 72 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Redlands 48 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
5) Wartburg 47 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7, 8, -)
6) UW-Platteville 46 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7,10)
7) St. Thomas 37 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 9, 9,10)
8) Chapman 22 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
9) Linfield 20 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -)
10) Whitworth 15 ( 6, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Central 11 ( 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Two notes: Everyone is locked in on Bethel for the second week in a row, and the Tommies were the lowest team to get votes from all 9 voters. Looks like we have three tiers, top three teams , middle four teams, and the bottom three teams.
Simpson, Wartburg, and Central will do some sorting out of the ARC standings soon as well. Starting with Simpson v. Wartburg next weekend.
Redlands v. Chapman will give us some clarity in the SCIAC as well.
Also interesting how far out of favor LaCrosse fell with their loss to Platteville. Last week they were 6th. Got beat by (then) #10 Platteville, and dropped all the way to 13th. When UST, Whitworth and Linfield lost their games, they dropped about 4-5 spots each.
I suspect it's due to more data points and info at this point in the season vs. those other relatively early season losses. UST clobbering the Cobbers probably didn't help LaCrosse either.
2019 Week 6 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (5) 2 86
2) UW-Whitewater (4) 1 85
3) Bethel 3 59
4) Wartburg 5 56
5) Chapman 8 53
6) St. Thomas 7 47
7) UW-Platteville 6 42
8) Redlands 4 21
t9) Linfield 9 18
t9) Whitworth 10 18
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) UW-Oshkosh (4), UW-Lacrosse (3), Simpson (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) St. John's (5) 86 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (4) 85 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Bethel 59 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7)
4) Wartburg 56 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6, 6, -)
5) Chapman 53 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, 7, 7, 7)
6) St. Thomas 47 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 42 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7,10)
8) Redlands 21 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, -)
t9) Linfield 18 ( 5, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
t9) Whitworth 18 ( 5, 6, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Oshkosh 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Simpson 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
I'm the loaner as far as Wartburg goes. They are in my top 25, but unfortunately I have 10 west teams in front of them.
I had Wartburg at #10 back in like week 2. I know they ARC is not the toughest conference, but they keep winning convincingly and I'm impressed. I have them at #3.
#'s 1 and 2 are obvious, then it's really tightly packed, 3-5.
Johnnie Tommie will provide some clarity this week and should be a heck of a game.
Whitewater travels to Stevens Point, which could be interesting.
Oshkosh host Eau Claire, which is worth watching as well.
Every team in my vote changed at least one position and one team dropped out and another was added. I thought there was a lot of clarity this past week, with more coming as the season unfolds.
Quote from: wm4 on October 16, 2019, 10:27:20 AM
I had Wartburg at #10 back in like week 2. I know they ARC is not the toughest conference, but they keep winning convincingly and I'm impressed. I have them at #3.
#'s 1 and 2 are obvious, then it's really tightly packed, 3-5.
Johnnie Tommie will provide some clarity this week and should be a heck of a game.
Whitewater travels to Stevens Point, which could be interesting.
Oshkosh host Eau Claire, which is worth watching as well.
Wartburg and Central are the two ARC teams that have typically been capable of a deeper playoff run in their best years. If Wart runs the table they may have one of those quarterfinal capable teams this year. The game this week vs. Simpson will be telling.
Quote from: hazzben on October 16, 2019, 10:49:06 AM
Wartburg and Central are the two ARC teams that have typically been capable of a deeper playoff run in their best years. If Wart runs the table they may have one of those quarterfinal capable teams this year. The game this week vs. Simpson will be telling.
I'll add that if Wartburg does run the table, and if there is a MIAC Pool C team, I won't be surprised that they take a bus ride down to their stadium in week one or two of the play offs.
2019 Week 7 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (6) 1 87
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 2 84
3) Bethel 3 62
4) Wartburg 4 58
5) Chapman 5 56
6) UW-Platteville 7 49
7) Redlands 8 29
t8) St. Thomas 6 20
t8) Linfield t9 20
10) Whitworth t9 14
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) UW-Oshkosh (9), Central (4), UW-LaCrosse (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) St. John's (6) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Bethel 62 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7)
4) Wartburg 58 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5,10)
5) Chapman 56 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 49 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9)
7) Redlands 29 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
t8) St. Thomas 20 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -)
t8) Linfield 20 ( 5, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -)
10) Whitworth 14 ( 6, 6, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Oshkosh 9 ( 7, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Three definite tiers this week with a 22 point break between #2 and #3, and 20 points between #6 and #7.
Quote from: art76 on October 23, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Three definite tiers this week with a 22 point break between #2 and #3, and 20 points between #6 and #7.
Yeah, no coincidence this occurs in the heart of conference play as these teams are playing each other each week.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 23, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 23, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Three definite tiers this week with a 22 point break between #2 and #3, and 20 points between #6 and #7.
Yeah, no coincidence this occurs in the heart of conference play as these teams are playing each other each week.
Notes from this weekend:- Whitworth loses to Puget Sound, done for Pool C. Must beat Linfield for any chance at the playoffs.
- UWL blows up UWO and knocks them out of the rankings.
- SJU finds some kicking MOJO and blows out St. Olaf and their "Drop 9 into coverage to stop Erdmann" Defense to the tune of 700 yds
- Bethel blows the doors off of Concordia, even after a phantom penalty on 75 yd Punt TD and fumbling on the 1 yd line.
- UWW beats UWRF, 42-13 before the JV defense took the field.
- Wartburg & Central on a collision course in the ARC. Central QB sets TD Pass record with 3 to play + his entire Sr. season.
- UST bounces back against Carleton and their sneaky good QB/WR combo.
- Central finishes with rivals Simpson, Wartburg, and Coe. The playoffs have officially begun in Pella.
- Gustavus Adolphus continues it's dark horse campaign. Don't sleep on them v. UST (they lost a heartbreaker 14-13 last year)
Quote from: hazzben on October 28, 2019, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 23, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 23, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Three definite tiers this week with a 22 point break between #2 and #3, and 20 points between #6 and #7.
Yeah, no coincidence this occurs in the heart of conference play as these teams are playing each other each week.
Notes from this weekend:
- Whitworth loses to Puget Sound, done for Pool C. Must beat Linfield for any chance at the playoffs.
- UWL blows up UWO and knocks them out of the rankings.
- SJU finds some kicking MOJO and blows out St. Olaf and their "Drop 9 into coverage to stop Erdmann" Defense to the tune of 700 yds
- Bethel blows the doors off of Concordia, even after a phantom penalty on 75 yd Punt TD and fumbling on the 1 yd line.
- UWW beats UWRF, 42-13 before the JV defense took the field.
- Wartburg & Central on a collision course in the ARC. Central QB sets TD Pass record with 3 to play + his entire Sr. season.
- UST bounces back against Carleton and their sneaky good QB/WR combo.
- Central finishes with rivals Simpson, Wartburg, and Coe. The playoffs have officially begun in Pella.
- Gustavus Adolphus continues it's dark horse campaign. Don't sleep on them v. UST (they lost a heartbreaker 14-13 last year)
They'll need help, IMO, to reach Pool C if they win out. And that's a big If. But their 8-2, with only losses to Bethel and SJU in very competitive games, should be held in higher regard than some 9-1s.
Nice to see some Gustavus Adolphus love and do think they should be in the bottom of the top 10 west rankings this week. A very good team that has been under the radar all season, but yet still a very large longshot in the pool C world.
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Quote from: hazzben on October 28, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of
maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 28, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
Linfield isn't really a Pool C candidate-either they win the conference (PoolA) or lose a 2nd game and fall way out of Pool C contention.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 28, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
Linfield still has Whitworth to play. NCC still has IWU. And JC still has Heidelberg and as you mentioned, UWP has UWO remaining. The former in these matchups will all be favored but certainly none are prohibitive favorites. Some dominoes have to fall correctly but there's a window here (albeit small) for a 2-loss team, especially if those losses are to top 10 teams. GAC still has a pulse, IMO.
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 28, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
Linfield isn't really a Pool C candidate-either they win the conference (PoolA) or lose a 2nd game and fall way out of Pool C contention.
Good point, you're right
Quote from: WW on October 28, 2019, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 28, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
Linfield still has Whitworth to play. NCC still has IWU. And JC still has Heidelberg and as you mentioned, UWP has UWO remaining. The former in these matchups will all be favored but certainly none are prohibitive favorites. Some dominoes have to fall correctly but there's a window here (albeit small) for a 2-loss team, especially if those losses are to top 10 teams. GAC still has a pulse, IMO.
A pulse...sure. But through that logic so does UWL and UWO. Maybe even more so for UWL, since they only have one D3 loss.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
02 WH and I have some similar thinking going on. When I turned in my West Regional poll, I had to do a complete rethink of ranking based on playoff-ability over and above the team's record. As a result, I only had one 2 loss team still on the ballot, and they lost to a D2 school for their second loss. For one, I am really looking forward to the next couple of weeks weekly rankings, because the playoffs are looming.
Also, did you catch on the podcast this morning that Wally Wabash is going to do a mock Pool C bid-in this week using the different D3 mock regional postings? It's always a good level headed discussion of what is likely at this moment in time.
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
GAC is a long shot for Pool C, but with losses against SJU & Bethel they are a better candidate than a two loss UST with a loss to UWEC.
Also, if GAC beats UST, they'll be Regionally ranked. If Bethel holds serve against UST, that'd be 2-1 v. RRO for Bethel.
GAC may not make the field, but if they hold serve they could have a large say in what happens with Pool C candidacy for a 1 loss MIAC, WIAC, and SCIAC runners-up.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 01:38:50 PM
Bethel's final game at St. Thomas will be a huge one. If Bethel drops that, we probably won't see a Pool C bid out of the MIAC this year.
And yeah, it'll be a big game. Just like last year, with the exception that UST can't come in with only a single loss so it won't be a true play-in game like last years contest shaped up to be.
Right, I'm not even considering GAC and UST as Pool C bids. Two losses is pretty much a death sentence for an at-large bid. There's too many good one-loss teams out there: Linfield, Bethel, Redlands, Susquehanna, NCC, Wesley, UWP and John Carroll/BW. I don't see any of those teams losing again, with the exception of maybe UWP losing to UWO and obviously the winner of the JC/BW game will probably get in.
I'm sure there's other good one-loss teams out east I'm missing.
Linfield still has Whitworth to play. NCC still has IWU. And JC still has Heidelberg and as you mentioned, UWP has UWO remaining. The former in these matchups will all be favored but certainly none are prohibitive favorites. Some dominoes have to fall correctly but there's a window here (albeit small) for a 2-loss team, especially if those losses are to top 10 teams. GAC still has a pulse, IMO.
A pulse...sure. But through that logic so does UWL and UWO. Maybe even more so for UWL, since they only have one D3 loss.
If both/either were being considered for Pool C, I'm not sure how they'd leapfrog 8-2 GAC, although a three-way tie atop the WIAC, w/ UWP, UWW and UWL all 1-1 vs each other would be..... interesting.
So, for potential 2-loss teams getting a Pool C bid, who would get the bid between St. Thomas and Hardin Simmons in that scenario (I know that neither might make it)?
HSU is currently ranked higher in both AFCA and D3Football but that might change assuming UST beats Bethel (the only way UST can remain a 2-loss team).
HSU is currently the 3rd ranked South region team if I'm counting correctly while UST is the 7th West region team (UST would move up with a Bethel win).
Both HSU and UST are a bus ride away from a likely top seed's bracket (UMHB and USJ).
Both had uncharacteristic losses against unranked teams (TX Lutheran and Eau Claire).
Quote from: TheChucker on October 28, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
So, for potential 2-loss teams getting a Pool C bid, who would get the bid between St. Thomas and Hardin Simmons in that scenario (I know that neither might make it)?
HSU is currently ranked higher in both AFCA and D3Football but that might change assuming UST beats Bethel (the only way UST can remain a 2-loss team).
HSU is currently the 3rd ranked South region team if I'm counting correctly while UST is the 7th West region team (UST would move up with a Bethel win).
Both HSU and UST are a bus ride away from a likely top seed's bracket (UMHB and USJ).
Both had uncharacteristic losses against unranked teams (TX Lutheran and Eau Claire).
This is all that matters:
TLU is 6-1
UWEC is 3-4
The answer is HSU eight days a week over UST for that phantom Pool C bid ;)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 28, 2019, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: TheChucker on October 28, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
So, for potential 2-loss teams getting a Pool C bid, who would get the bid between St. Thomas and Hardin Simmons in that scenario (I know that neither might make it)?
HSU is currently ranked higher in both AFCA and D3Football but that might change assuming UST beats Bethel (the only way UST can remain a 2-loss team).
HSU is currently the 3rd ranked South region team if I'm counting correctly while UST is the 7th West region team (UST would move up with a Bethel win).
Both HSU and UST are a bus ride away from a likely top seed's bracket (UMHB and USJ).
Both had uncharacteristic losses against unranked teams (TX Lutheran and Eau Claire).
This is all that matters:
TLU is 6-1
UWEC is 3-4
The answer is HSU eight days a week over UST for that phantom Pool C bid ;)
True about opposing team records, but they were both weird games. I watched some of both. I don't know if I've ever seen a team dominate between the goal lines like St. Thomas did vs. Eau Claire and still lose. It was weird. For that matter, Hardin Simmons had much better stats than TLU but repeatedly came up short when it mattered...like running in quick sand.
Quote from: TheChucker on October 28, 2019, 03:58:31 PM
...but they were both weird games.
I'm not positive, but I don't think that is anywhere in the criteria. ;D
Quote from: art76 on October 28, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
02 WH and I have some similar thinking going on. When I turned in my West Regional poll, I had to do a complete rethink of ranking based on playoff-ability over and above the team's record. As a result, I only had one 2 loss team still on the ballot, and they lost to a D2 school for their second loss. For one, I am really looking forward to the next couple of weeks weekly rankings, because the playoffs are looming.
Also, did you catch on the podcast this morning that Wally Wabash is going to do a mock Pool C bid-in this week using the different D3 mock regional postings? It's always a good level headed discussion of what is likely at this moment in time.
Just curious, why would playoff-ability now be a criteria for or a variable in ranking your teams?
WM4, and others,
For me at least, there are three sub-seasons within a season and each has its own criteria.
Voter sub-season A is in the beginning of the season where teams rely heavily upon what they did the year before.
Voter sub-season B is during the middle of the season when the current teams start standing on their own merit for the work they have done this year.
Voter sub-season C is at the end of the season, when we start trying to project how teams will do in the play-offs.
Hope this helps,
Quote from: art76 on October 28, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
Also, did you catch on the podcast this morning that Wally Wabash is going to do a mock Pool C bid-in this week using the different D3 mock regional postings? It's always a good level headed discussion of what is likely at this moment in time.
Yes. But not using the boards' regional rankings, though, since those don't necessarily follow the selection criteria.
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Quote from: art76 on October 28, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
Also, did you catch on the podcast this morning that Wally Wabash is going to do a mock Pool C bid-in this week using the different D3 mock regional postings? It's always a good level headed discussion of what is likely at this moment in time.
Yes. But not using the boards' regional rankings, though, since those don't necessarily follow the selection criteria.
Unfortunately, sometimes the official regional rankings don't either ;) (although it's gotten much better in the last 10 years or so)
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2019, 05:31:56 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 28, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
Also, did you catch on the podcast this morning that Wally Wabash is going to do a mock Pool C bid-in this week using the different D3 mock regional postings? It's always a good level headed discussion of what is likely at this moment in time.
Yes. But not using the boards' regional rankings, though, since those don't necessarily follow the selection criteria.
Unfortunately, sometimes the official regional rankings don't either ;) (although it's gotten much better in the last 10 years or so)
+1
Quote from: art76 on October 28, 2019, 05:13:05 PM
WM4, and others,
For me at least, there are three sub-seasons within a season and each has its own criteria.
Voter sub-season A is in the beginning of the season where teams rely heavily upon what they did the year before.
Voter sub-season B is during the middle of the season when the current teams start standing on their own merit for the work they have done this year.
Voter sub-season C is at the end of the season, when we start trying to project how teams will do in the play-offs.
Hope this helps,
Interesting. By comparison, I don't consider any playoff element in ranking my top 10. Here in week 8, this is the most confident I've been all season about who the top 10 teams are in the West. I have a feeling there will be more fireworks in these final three weeks too.
With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration. I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago. Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again? And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?
Quote from: MediaGuy on October 29, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration. I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago. Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again? And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?
It's always possible. But take typically if a two loss team is ranked above a one loss, it's because they really good criteria.
UWP has only one loss, if they lose to UWO they aren't going to be in front of Redlands or Bethel if they both finish with a single loss.
GAC - if Bethel beats UST, they'll be behind Bethel due to H2H, no one really trapped.
UST - if they beat Bethel and GAC, and UWP beats UWO, they'd be behind UWP and Redlands.
One wildcard could be Central v. Wartburg. Central has a great QB. If they beat Wartburg that throws another 1 loss team into the mix. Wartburg probably ends up behind 1 loss Redlands and Bethel. But could jump some two loss teams.
It's a fun time of year to start considering all the counterfactuals. But I'll go ahead and assume there is going to be at least a loss (or two or three) that no one expects that shake up the entire discussion. Last week UMHB almost lost a game most assumed they'd win. Whitworth just lost to Puget Sound when most assumed it was a pending showdown with Linfield for the NWC A bid. And they could still beat Linfield at the seasons end. GAC, UST, Bethel have intrigue left in them. Union, Cortland, Ithaca all have big games remaining. A few years ago people assumed Bethel was dead in the water with two losses, only to have the field come back to them and sneak into the playoffs. Gonna be a fun stretch run.
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With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration. I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago. Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again? And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?
It's always possible. But take typically if a two loss team is ranked above a one loss, it's because they really good criteria.
UWP has only one loss, if they lose to UWO they aren't going to be in front of Redlands or Bethel if they both finish with a single loss.
GAC - if Bethel beats UST, they'll be behind Bethel due to H2H, no one really trapped.
UST - if they beat Bethel and GAC, and UWP beats UWO, they'd be behind UWP and Redlands.
One wildcard could be Central v. Wartburg. Central has a great QB. If they beat Wartburg that throws another 1 loss team into the mix. Wartburg probably ends up behind 1 loss Redlands and Bethel. But could jump some two loss teams.
It's a fun time of year to start considering all the counterfactuals. But I'll go ahead and assume there is going to be at least a loss (or two or three) that no one expects that shake up the entire discussion. Last week UMHB almost lost a game most assumed they'd win. Whitworth just lost to Puget Sound when most assumed it was a pending showdown with Linfield for the NWC A bid. And they could still beat Linfield at the seasons end. GAC, UST, Bethel have intrigue left in them. Union, Cortland, Ithaca all have big games remaining. A few years ago people assumed Bethel was dead in the water with two losses, only to have the field come back to them and sneak into the playoffs. Gonna be a fun stretch run.
Redlands and Susquehanna are the only current Pool C candidates I can find that are a reasonable lock to get there with 1 loss. A bunch are like Platteville, 1 loss now, but a team like Oshkosh remaining on their schedule. Favored? Sure. But hardly a gimme.
Of potential 2-loss candidates, GAC has the opportunity to be the strongest of them, with losses to Bethel and SJU, but only if Bethel beats UST. I don't see a path for a 2-loss UWP or UST -- that loss to EauClaire left a mark. Of course, some unexpected WIAC hijinks with UWW remaining opponents could jumble stuff up, but I wouldn't expect it.
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Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
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With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration. I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago. Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again? And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?
It's always possible. But take typically if a two loss team is ranked above a one loss, it's because they really good criteria.
UWP has only one loss, if they lose to UWO they aren't going to be in front of Redlands or Bethel if they both finish with a single loss.
GAC - if Bethel beats UST, they'll be behind Bethel due to H2H, no one really trapped.
UST - if they beat Bethel and GAC, and UWP beats UWO, they'd be behind UWP and Redlands.
One wildcard could be Central v. Wartburg. Central has a great QB. If they beat Wartburg that throws another 1 loss team into the mix. Wartburg probably ends up behind 1 loss Redlands and Bethel. But could jump some two loss teams.
It's a fun time of year to start considering all the counterfactuals. But I'll go ahead and assume there is going to be at least a loss (or two or three) that no one expects that shake up the entire discussion. Last week UMHB almost lost a game most assumed they'd win. Whitworth just lost to Puget Sound when most assumed it was a pending showdown with Linfield for the NWC A bid. And they could still beat Linfield at the seasons end. GAC, UST, Bethel have intrigue left in them. Union, Cortland, Ithaca all have big games remaining. A few years ago people assumed Bethel was dead in the water with two losses, only to have the field come back to them and sneak into the playoffs. Gonna be a fun stretch run.
Redlands and Susquehanna are the only current Pool C candidates I can find that are a reasonable lock to get there with 1 loss. A bunch are like Platteville, 1 loss now, but a team like Oshkosh remaining on their schedule. Favored? Sure. But hardly a gimme.
Of potential 2-loss candidates, GAC has the opportunity to be the strongest of them, with losses to Bethel and SJU, but only if Bethel beats UST. I don't see a path for a 2-loss UWP or UST -- that loss to EauClaire left a mark. Of course, some unexpected WIAC hijinks with UWW remaining opponents could jumble stuff up, but I wouldn't expect it.
I would add NCC to that. I don't see any teams coming within 2-3 scores of NCC for the remainder of the season. IL-W is OK, but they were just shutout at home by Wash U. NCC beat Wash U by 33.
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.
Quote from: art76 on October 29, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.
I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 29, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.
I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.
It could matter for the Johnnies in the perennial charity seeding given to the east.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 29, 2019, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 29, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.
I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.
It could matter for the Johnnies in the perennial charity seeding given to the east.
Mount has been given that treatment for years.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2019, 01:05:43 PM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 29, 2019, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 29, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.
I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.
It could matter for the Johnnies in the perennial charity seeding given to the east.
Mount has been given that treatment for years.
Actually, last year was Mount's only top seed pairing with the East in the last four years. Alfred was the top seed in Mount's 2016 bracket.
2018 Mount/Brockport. UMHB/UWW
2017 Mount/Oshkosh. UMHB/Delaware Valley
2016 Alfred-Mount/UMHB. UST-Oshkosh/John Carroll
2015 Mount/Oshkosh. UST/Linfield
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 29, 2019, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: art76 on October 29, 2019, 12:36:26 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.
The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.
For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.
Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.
I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.
Agree for making the field. But for both SJU and Bethel, a two loss and Regionally Ranked GAC is a major resume bump. SJU would be 2-0, Bethel 1-1 v. RRO. SJU's 1 seed might hinge on something like that. Also might be the difference between Bethel hosting in the first round as a 4 seed, or even grabbing a 3 seed. Lots of football before that matters though.
Another year, same story though ... so so many really good teams in the West.
Quote from: hazzben on October 29, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Also might be the difference between Bethel hosting in the first round as a 4 seed, or even grabbing a 3 seed.
You know the NCAA doesn't seed the brackets!!! ;)
2019 Week 8 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (6) 1 87
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 2 84
3) Bethel 3 64
t4) Wartburg 4 57
t4) Chapman 5 57
6) UW-Platteville 6 48
7) Redlands 7 33
8) Linfield t8 25
9) St. Thomas t8 24
10) UW-LaCrosse N/A 8
Dropped Out: Whitworth
RV) Whitworth (5), Central (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) St. John's (6) 87 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 84 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3) Bethel 64 ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7)
t4) Wartburg 57 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 9)
t4) Chapman 57 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-Platteville 48 ( 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9)
7) Redlands 33 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8)
8) Linfield 25 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10)
9) St. Thomas 24 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
10) UW-LaCrosse 8 ( 9,10,10,10,10,10,10, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Just realized I haven't been updating the "Previous" column the entire year. Only took me till week 8 of the season to notice it :-\
I went back and updated the previous few weeks
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 08:31:11 AM
2019 Week 8 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (6) 1 87
2) UW-Whitewater (3) 2 84
3) Bethel 3 64
t4) Wartburg 4 57
t4) Chapman 5 57
6) UW-Platteville 6 48
7) Redlands 7 33
8) Linfield t8 25
9) St. Thomas t8 24
10) UW-LaCrosse N/A 8
Dropped Out: Whitworth
RV) Whitworth (5), Central (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
Wow, I hit 9 out of 10 in the correct order. I think that's as close as I have ever gotten.
8 points for UWL is the lowest point total we've had on the season for a team to make the top 10.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
8 points for UWL is the lowest point total we've had on the season for a team to make the top 10.
I interpret that to mean, things are getting clarified within the region, yes?
Quote from: hazzben on October 30, 2019, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
8 points for UWL is the lowest point total we've had on the season for a team to make the top 10.
I interpret that to mean, things are getting clarified within the region, yes?
Absolutely. During the first few weeks votes are always all over the board. Now with a few weeks left there's much more clarity.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 30, 2019, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
8 points for UWL is the lowest point total we've had on the season for a team to make the top 10.
I interpret that to mean, things are getting clarified within the region, yes?
Absolutely. During the first few weeks votes are always all over the board. Now with a few weeks left there's much more clarity.
So central could finish on one loss if the win out and beat Wartburg. And Gustavus could finish with two losses if they win out and beat St Thomas. Those are the only two outsiders looking to get in I think. Maybe if whitworth beats linfield.
And the only insiders still to play are BU v UST and UWW v UWL, right? Just a few games left to shake things up (outside the massive upset of course).
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 30, 2019, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 30, 2019, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 30, 2019, 10:03:17 AM
8 points for UWL is the lowest point total we've had on the season for a team to make the top 10.
I interpret that to mean, things are getting clarified within the region, yes?
Absolutely. During the first few weeks votes are always all over the board. Now with a few weeks left there's much more clarity.
So central could finish on one loss if the win out and beat Wartburg. And Gustavus could finish with two losses if they win out and beat St Thomas. Those are the only two outsiders looking to get in I think. Maybe if whitworth beats linfield.
And the only insiders still to play are BU v UST and UWW v UWL, right? Just a few games left to shake things up (outside the massive upset of course).
UWO is in the same boat as Gustavus. They have two losses (Salisbury and UWL) but still have big games against UWW and UWP. Small chance, but if they win out they can creep back in the top 10.
Ah, I missed UWO. One more. So four teams with a chance to get back in if they run hit through the end of the year. I reckon GAC has the best chance, although all their chances are pretty slim. Gustavus play UST sandwiched between St Olaf which will (hopefully ;) ) be a spite-filled grudge match and Bethel which will be (if UST win all) a game for all the pool c marbles. UST could easily look past Gustavus.
So far in the WIAC we have UWP beating UWL, UWL beating UWO and UWO beating UWP. So after UWW, it's a coin flip on who should - arguably - be #2 in this conference. UWO has one fewer conference loss than UWL and UWP, but that's mainly because they still haven't played UWW yet.
In this week's poll, I had no 2 loss teams on the ballot, which meant going deep into the non-power conferences to find teams that will probably win their conference, but most likely not get past the second round in the play-offs.
One of the better weekends for top games in the West coming up:
Under the "playoffs start now" category:
Gustavus travels to UST. Playoff hopes for both are faint, but the loser here is certainly eliminated. UST hasn't had 3 regular season losses since 2008, while GAC hasn't had an 8 win season since 1999.
Linfield travels to Whitworth. Pool A is on the line here, while the loser will likely be buried deep in Pool C consideration
Wartburg travels to Central. These two looked neck and neck for most of the season, but then Central stumbled against Dubuque back in mid October. Winner here is in driver's seat for Pool A. Loser falls to Pool C consideration
As for how the WIAC will shake out, all the teams in consideration for the WIAC championship and Pool C consideration are all at home, and hosting the bottom half of the conference. But given how this year has been going, anything is possible.
For Pool A ramifications, Lake Forest hosts St Norbert
2019 Week 9 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 2 90
2) St. John's 1 70
3) Wartburg t4 65
4) Bethel 3 64
5) Chapman t4 59
6) Redlands 7 43
7) Linfield 8 29
8) St. Thomas 9 28
9) UW-Platteville 6 13
10) UW-Oshkosh N/A 12
Dropped Out: UW-LaCrosse
RV) Central (6), Whitworth (5), Gustavus Adolphus (5), UW-Lacrosse (3), Lake Forest (2), Martin Luther (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 70 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7)
3) Wartburg 65 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 8)
4) Bethel 64 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 8)
5) Chapman 59 ( 2, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 8)
6) Redlands 43 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9)
7) Linfield 29 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
8) St. Thomas 28 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, -, -)
9) UW-Platteville 13 ( 7, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) UW-Oshkosh 12 ( 5, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Central 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 5 ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 5 ( 7,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Martin Luther 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Huge shakeup from last week. Number of RV teams doubled, and not one team stood pat from where they were in the previous week.
Bethel had the same exact number of votes (64) as last week but fell a spot as Wartburg gained 8 votes.
Fun times ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Huge shakeup from last week. Number of RV teams doubled, and not one team stood pat from where they were in the previous week.
Bethel had the same exact number of votes (64) as last week but fell a spot as Wartburg gained 8 votes.
Fun times ;D
I can't argue with Wartburg jumping Bethel. I might have waited a week until after they'd played the Dutch, but they are unbeaten and top of the standings in a good league.
Total head scratcher whoever put SJU at #7 in the West. First, the Cobbers view SJU as their biggest rival, a true throw out the records game. Second, the Cobbers played UWL and UWW very competitively, they are a very solid team despite their record. No way IMO are there 6 teams in the West (probably not in the country tbh) that are better than SJU. The only team I'd favor over SJU would be UWW.
Don't look now, but Lake Forest and Martin Luther just popped over the hill and are in the rearview mirror. ;D
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
Huge shakeup from last week. Number of RV teams doubled, and not one team stood pat from where they were in the previous week.
Bethel had the same exact number of votes (64) as last week but fell a spot as Wartburg gained 8 votes.
Fun times ;D
I can't argue with Wartburg jumping Bethel. I might have waited a week until after they'd played the Dutch, but they are unbeaten and top of the standings in a good league.
Total head scratcher whoever put SJU at #7 in the West. First, the Cobbers view SJU as their biggest rival, a true throw out the records game. Second, the Cobbers played UWL and UWW very competitively, they are a very solid team despite their record. No way IMO are there 6 teams in the West (probably not in the country tbh) that are better than SJU. The only team I'd favor over SJU would be UWW.
I like C-M a lot. But the fact is they were a 2-5 team that SJU lost to. I didn't put SJU at #7 but they dang sure deserve a greater consequence than falling a single spot after losing to a 2-5 team, rival or not.
Quote from: Baldini on November 05, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
Don't look now, but Lake Forest and Martin Luther just popped over the hill and are in the rearview mirror. ;D
The official Regional Rankings will often slot these teams at the bottom of the rankings as well. Having seen the annual beatdowns they take in Rd 1, there's no way these teams are better than Central, UWP, UWO, UWL, UST, GAC, or Whitworth. I don't view the Regional Rankings as making sure you give a slot to every Pool A team, but rather a true look at who are the best 10 teams in the West region. But maybe someone is actually arguing for that.
Quote from: WW on November 05, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
I like C-M a lot. But the fact is they were a 2-5 team that SJU lost to. I didn't put SJU at #7 but they dang sure deserve a greater consequence than falling a single spot after losing to a 2-5 team, rival or not.
I wouldn't quibble with them dropping several spots, but there are not 6 teams better than SJU, IMO anyway :). And C-M's results against UWL, SJU and UWW indicate there's every reason to think they'd be in the game against other teams in the Top 10.
Last week I had SJU #1, UWW #2 and Bethel #3.
This week, with the SJU loss, I still felt i had to keep SJU above Bethel based on H2H results. So dropping SJU down a few spots meant I had to drop Bethel down as well, which I didn't want to do. So putting SJU in the #2 spot this week was the most comfortable place IMO. I just flip flopped SJU and UWW, while keeping Bethel where they were.
Thank you guys for doing this. I know it can be a tricky exercise and reading the different viewpoints is helpful in trying to interpret the D3 landscape. Well done!!
Agreed. The "Bethel Block" was definitely in play here. SJU probably should drop to the 3-5 range, given the nature of their loss and that it was a to a 2-5 team this late in the season. But you couldn't justify dropping SJU below Bethel, given that SJU beat Bethel 19-0. And since Bethel has been rolling lately, it's tough to support moving them down at all.
There are big games left between UST/GAC and UST/Bethel. Those will be important in sorting out both the MIAC, Pool C and more data to rank the top 10.
Also, agreed, there is no way Martin Luther or Lake Forest are in the top 10 best teams in the West. They may get into the playoffs via Pool A, but they're not among the top 10 teams on the field.
I guess it all depends upon what your criteria is. If you think that Bethel can beat SJU (they DIDN.T), whether you believe Wartburg could beat SJU the majority of the time, whether you believe Chapman or Redlands could beat them, then you assess them that way. If you think a team should be PUNISHED for losing to an inferior (as most have posted) team, then punish them. If you think that the first seven games mean less than one (very odd) game, then do what you need to do. Personally, having seen both, I think an SJUU/UWW game is a toss-up.
The SJU loss is ugly, by far the worst in the West so far this year, so there should be consequences in that regard. But are teams 6-10 actually better than SJU? I don't think so. Is an awful kicking game a big liability heading into November and the playoffs? Absolutely.
The seeds of this were planted 4 weeks ago, when after losing to SJU, Bethel didn't drop in the rankings at all. In fact, among our group, SJU moved up 1 as a result of beating Bethel and notching the best win in the West at that time.
Quote from: retagent on November 05, 2019, 02:39:16 PM
I guess it all depends upon what your criteria is. If you think that Bethel can beat SJU (they DIDN.T), whether you believe Wartburg could beat SJU the majority of the time, whether you believe Chapman or Redlands could beat them, then you assess them that way. If you think a team should be PUNISHED for losing to an inferior (as most have posted) team, then punish them. If you think that the first seven games mean less than one (very odd) game, then do what you need to do. Personally, having seen both, I think an SJUU/UWW game is a toss-up.
That's what I go by for the most part. Try to predict who can beat who on a neutral field based on the data we gathered throughout the year. With that being said I still believe UST can beat Wartburg. So I have UST #7 and Wartburg #8. Also have SJU and Bethel ahead of Chapman and Redlands using the same logic.
For me, H2H trumps all. So I still have Chapman #4 who beat Redlands #5 who beat Linfield #6
Quote from: wm4 on November 05, 2019, 02:41:54 PM
The SJU loss is ugly, by far the worst in the West so far this year, so there should be consequences in that regard. But are teams 6-10 actually better than SJU? I don't think so. Is an awful kicking game a big liability heading into November and the playoffs? Absolutely.
The seeds of this were planted 4 weeks ago, when after losing to SJU, Bethel didn't drop in the rankings at all. In fact, among our group, SJU moved up 1 as a result of beating Bethel and notching the best win in the West at that time.
It's a toss up.....St. Thomas fans might have something to say about that*. UWEC might be worse than Concordia.
*Or maybe they don't want to talk about it.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2019, 02:56:08 PM
It's a toss up.....St. Thomas fans might have something to say about that*. UWEC might be worse than Concordia.
*Or maybe they don't want to talk about it.
Well played.
Fact is, SJU was #1 in this poll, and lost to a 2-5 team. UST was #3 and lost to a (now) 3-5 team. Both were shockers and both SJU and UST dominated statistically. UWEC may be worse than Concordia, but SJU was notably better than UST.
Actually, this is proving to be a fun year to track the West. Other years have been so predictable and largely devoid of upsets like we're seeing this year. As a voter, you really need to pay close attention to games, opponents, conferences, etc. It's been a lot of fun doing so.
Quote from: wm4 on November 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 05, 2019, 02:56:08 PM
It's a toss up.....St. Thomas fans might have something to say about that*. UWEC might be worse than Concordia.
*Or maybe they don't want to talk about it.
Well played.
Fact is, SJU was #1 in this poll, and lost to a 2-5 team. UST was #3 and lost to a (now) 3-5 team. Both were shockers and both SJU and UST dominated statistically. UWEC may be worse than Concordia, but SJU was notably better than UST.
Actually, this is proving to be a fun year to track the West. Other years have been so predictable and largely devoid of upsets like we're seeing this year. As a voter, you really need to pay close attention to games, opponents, conferences, etc. It's been a lot of fun doing so.
Very true
Quote from: wm4 on November 05, 2019, 02:26:49 PM
Also, agreed, there is no way Martin Luther or Lake Forest are in the top 10 best teams in the West. They may get into the playoffs via Pool A, but they're not among the top 10 teams on the field.
wm4, and others,
If you have read all of this topic's posts, you would see that I have shared earlier that as a pollster, 1) I had no two loss teams on this week's ballot, and 2) I had to "dig deep into the non-power conferences" to find such teams. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who voted in Martin Luther and Lake Forest. Hate me for it if you want to, but I am looking at the body of work that a team has put forward to this point in the season. Then after any qualifiers are dealt with, I rank the 10 best teams left standing. At least in my eyes, these are the teams most likely to make it to the playoffs. If teams have eliminated themselves by shooting themselves in the foot, it's simply survival of the fittest. Within the group of ten, I do try to figure out "who would beat whom" within the 10 to rank them, but going outside to deal with outliers only muddies the water for me. Could just about any WIAC or MIAC team in discussion here wallop the bottom of my ballot? Probably, but that's not the point, at least to me. I am here to rank the top 10 in the West Region that are going to the playoffs.
02 Warhawk is always asking for more people to become voters at the beginning of the year. You have opportunity to change things with your vote if you do not like things the way they are.
Quote from: art76 on November 05, 2019, 03:28:37 PM
Quote from: wm4 on November 05, 2019, 02:26:49 PM
Also, agreed, there is no way Martin Luther or Lake Forest are in the top 10 best teams in the West. They may get into the playoffs via Pool A, but they're not among the top 10 teams on the field.
wm4, and others,
If you have read all of this topic's posts, you would see that I have shared earlier that as a pollster, 1) I had no two loss teams on this week's ballot, and 2) I had to "dig deep into the non-power conferences" to find such teams. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who voted in Martin Luther and Lake Forest. Hate me for it if you want to, but I am looking at the body of work that a team has put forward to this point in the season. Then after any qualifiers are dealt with, I rank the 10 best teams left standing. At least in my eyes, these are the teams most likely to make it to the playoffs. If teams have eliminated themselves by shooting themselves in the foot, it's simply survival of the fittest. Within the group of ten, I do try to figure out "who would beat whom" within the 10 to rank them, but going outside to deal with outliers only muddies the water for me. Could just about any WIAC or MIAC team in discussion here wallop the bottom of my ballot? Probably, but that's not the point, at least to me. I am here to rank the top 10 in the West Region that are going to the playoffs.
02 Warhawk is always asking for more people to become voters at the beginning of the year. You have opportunity to change things with your vote if you do not like things the way they are.
I think that's a different definition of Regional Ranking. It's not, rank the West teams most likely to make the field. It's rank the 10 best teams in the West. If you think Martin Luther and Lake Forest are two of the top 10 teams in the West region, that's your prerogative. But that's the only reason to have them in your top 10. For example, I'm pretty confident Martin Luther loses to Concordia, UWP, UWL, UWO, UST, Central, St. Olaf, to say nothing for the other ranked teams and unbeaten teams in the West. Martin Luther already lost to GAC in blowout fashion. So they are 7-1 in a terrible conference with an SOS of .444. There's a subjective element to this that undeniable. But published criteria should play some roll. I don't think you can ignore a H2H result that was that decisive and penalize GAC for losing two competitive games to teams that are drastically better than anyone Martin Luther has faced.
As for Lake Forest, they lost to an average U of Chicago team. And they have yet to play SNC and Monmouth. So they are hardly a likely Pool A team at this point. And their SOS is even worse than Martin Luther's at .342. :-\
Just my $.02 though :)
Skipping the 'what have you done for me lately' straight to where the season will end, I'll put LINFIELD #2.
<< Based on what, Foo?>>
History repeating itself, 2009, 64 consecutive winning seasons. Things like that.
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
D O.C. - I thought Bluenote was crazy. Did he pass you some of what he's smoking?
Hey boys, this is a west fan poll not anything else. (R R) :-*
And the West is not just just Minnesota, Wisconsin (North)
or Iowa.
Quote from: D O.C. on November 05, 2019, 07:31:44 PM
And the West is not just just Minnesota, Wisconsin (North)
or Iowa.
Hey doc,
It's really be tough this year after week two putting those other west coaster ahead of the Wildcats each week. :'(
But, if we take care of thing we should get another shot at the sciac champ soon .
Butt it's rat killing week now. :-*
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
hey boy this is a West fan poll and not anything else
;D
Quote from: D O.C. on November 05, 2019, 07:31:44 PM
And the West is not just just Minnesota, Wisconsin (North)
or Iowa.
Nope, but when judging the merits of West teams in those states, that's where the crossover games and H2H matchups are taking place. If we were debating the merits of Linfield or Whitworth or Redlands in the poll, I'd be talking about teams in that neck of the woods.
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
So what is the fan poll criteria? Is it about just picking the 10 teams most likely to make the tournament or just the 10 teams most likely to defeat all the other teams?
In d3 footballs article last week about the possible regional rankings, both Martin Luther and Monmouth were listed as possibilities in the wings. If it is just about the highest rated teams, well we can all do that accounting and end of discussion. If people want ranking just go to Hansen or Massey and they have them all ranked from 1 to 247, but that is not the process and I'm glad to see art76 think outside the box a little.
If a 2 lose team does come into play for a pool C bid and Gustavus Adolphus is still a 2 lose team and Martin Luther slips into the 10th spot in the west, well that could be a difference maker for them. Yet Martin Luther is the 38th rated west team on Hansen this week, but Hansen is not selecting the field of 32 either.
George S. Patton Quotes
If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.
Quote from: Baldini on November 05, 2019, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
So what is the fan poll criteria? Is it about just picking the 10 teams most likely to make the tournament or just the 10 teams most likely to defeat all the other teams?
In d3 footballs article last week about the possible regional rankings, both Martin Luther and Monmouth were listed as possibilities in the wings. If it is just about the highest rated teams, well we can all do that accounting and end of discussion. If people want ranking just go to Hansen or Massey and they have them all ranked from 1 to 247, but that is not the process and I'm glad to see art76 think outside the box a little.
If a 2 lose team does come into play for a pool C bid and Gustavus Adolphus is still a 2 lose team and Martin Luther slips into the 10th spot in the west, well that could be a difference maker for them. Yet Martin Luther is the 38th rated west team on Hansen this week, but Hansen is not selecting the field of 32 either.
George S. Patton Quotes
If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.
Worth noting that while Hansen has this fantastic formula that's specifically designed for D3, and results is great predictive value, he doesn't use it exclusively to form his weekly top 25 ballot.
And, as Pat says, the D3.com Top 25 won't tell you who will make the tournament, but it will be a great indicator to tell you who will win the games. I'd like to think the West Fan Poll operates in that same spirit, taken as a whole.
My issue with the real regional rankings is that if RRO is a criteria shouldn't the regional ranking prioritize who the best teams in the region are? Aka, you are supposed to be crediting a team with having beaten the better teams. If we are trying to evaluate who has played the toughest schedules for Pool C purposes, but then not having the philosophy of ranking the best 10 teams in the region, RRO has diminished accuracy and utility.
The west as it currently stands probably has 13 teams that are in the mix to be ranked in the first regional rankings. WIAC ( UW-W, UW-P, UW-O, UW-LC), MIAC ( St. John's, St. Thomas, Bethel, Gustavus Adolphus), ARC (Wartburg, Central), SCIAC (Chapman, Redlands), NWC (Linfield). The point of the list is to point out the hole in the theory of just the top ten teams. Is the value of a win against the teams that will ranked 11-13 here actually less impressive than wins against teams 8-10. The depth of the list of top 10 teams in each region is different and ever changing, which makes me less anal about the need to focus on just those 10 at this moment. For me it is okay to move different parts in and out to bring new prospective to the discussion.
And no it doesn't matter how long we discuss something, Martin Luther, Lake Forest or Monmouth are not going to over take Whitewater in the ranking this year. But if a domino effect of loses hit several of these teams and Gustavus Adolphus wins out impressively, how is the Martin Luther resume' now viewed?
The committee did rank a UMAC team in 2016, but hasn't since.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
The committee did rank a UMAC team in 2016, but hasn't since.
I'm really not advocating for a UMAC team in the regional rankings, just for everyone to keep an open mind to other possibilities is all.
If by "keeping an open mind" you mean "ignoring inconvenient results," I guess ranking Martin Luther and Lake Forest as two of the West's top 10 teams is plausible. That arse-whuppin by unranked-by-you Gustavus Adolphus was a long long time ago, shouldn't even count. And the Foresters have, after all, run what I like to call the "Grinnell Gauntlet" (Grinnell, Lawrence, Beloit, Macalester) and come out unscathed.
I get this is a "fan" poll. I'd prefer it not become a farce.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Martin Luther is #10 in the first regional ranking, good job art76 for thinking outside the box.
Quote from: Baldini on November 06, 2019, 12:07:37 PM
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Martin Luther is #10 in the first regional ranking, good job art76 for thinking outside the box.
Just because the Regional Rankigs list Martin Luther 10 doesn't mean it's correct or a good use of the criteria. Especially when there's a H2H result that screams, they aren't as good as GAC. The point of SOS and RRO is to give some data against pure W-L record slotting.
It's not a huge deal right now. But if GAC beats UST Saturday and ML is still above them, that's egregious. And I'm not saying they have to rank GAC, just that if they are ranking ML and not GAC they have missed something significant (I. e. An actual H2H result that was very lopsided)
Quote from: hazzben on November 06, 2019, 02:19:24 PM
Quote from: Baldini on November 06, 2019, 12:07:37 PM
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Martin Luther is #10 in the first regional ranking, good job art76 for thinking outside the box.
Just because the Regional Rankigs list Martin Luther 10 doesn't mean it's correct or a good use of the criteria. Especially when there's a H2H result that screams, they aren't as good as GAC. The point of SOS and RRO is to give some data against pure W-L record slotting.
It's not a huge deal right now. But if GAC beats UST Saturday and ML is still above them, that's egregious. And I'm not saying they have to rank GAC, just that if they are ranking ML and not GAC they have missed something significant (I. e. An actual H2H result that was very lopsided)
I can follow the RRO's rankings and logic about 80% of the time. The other 20%, I'm baffled. Martin Luther listed and the expense of GAC, is one of those times.
Fan polls and regional rankings are not and should not be congruent.
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
Ice Bear doesn't necessarily think so. Certainly the same criteria used in the RR should be considered when doing the fan poll but as a voter in the fan poll Ice tries to use common sense, which at time, trumps the criteria by itself. Ice isn't sure abut what usually happens out West as he is only beginning to look into the happenings out here, but he sure knows in the East the RR very rarely accurately depicts the top ten teams in the east at any given time.
In the East's RR this week we have ****ing Wilkes at 10, WPI at 9 (which just lost to MIT which isn't ranked) and WNEU at 5 above Ithaca, Brockport, and Cortland. Not taking away from WNEU as they are an impressive NE program but these rankings simply do not reflect the current 10 best teams in this region. Maybe (and sometimes) they shake out and get closer as the weeks go on but damn...piss ****ing poor.
Ice's point is that mixing common sense and criteria from people who know these teams very well is more accurate (speaking to the fan polls here) than the criteria.
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 07, 2019, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
Ice Bear doesn't necessarily think so. Certainly the same criteria used in the RR should be considered when doing the fan poll but as a voter in the fan poll Ice tries to use common sense, which at time, trumps the criteria by itself. Ice isn't sure abut what usually happens out West as he is only beginning to look into the happenings out here, but he sure knows in the East the RR very rarely accurately depicts the top ten teams in the east at any given time.
In the East's RR this week we have ****ing Wilkes at 10, WPI at 9 (which just lost to MIT which isn't ranked) and WNEU at 5 above Ithaca, Brockport, and Cortland. Not taking away from WNEU as they are an impressive NE program but these rankings simply do not reflect the current 10 best teams in this region. Maybe (and sometimes) they shake out and get closer as the weeks go on but damn...piss ****ing poor.
Ice's point is that mixing common sense and criteria from people who know these teams very well is more accurate (speaking to the fan polls here) than the criteria.
Baldini thinks Ice Bear knows his east region football.
Baldini thinks Ice Bear is correct in thinking mixing criteria and eye test can lead to a common sense conclusion.
Baldini thinks Ice Bear knows common sense is not always common.
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 07, 2019, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
Ice Bear doesn't necessarily think so. Certainly the same criteria used in the RR should be considered when doing the fan poll but as a voter in the fan poll Ice tries to use common sense, which at time, trumps the criteria by itself. Ice isn't sure abut what usually happens out West as he is only beginning to look into the happenings out here, but he sure knows in the East the RR very rarely accurately depicts the top ten teams in the east at any given time.
In the East's RR this week we have ****ing Wilkes at 10, WPI at 9 (which just lost to MIT which isn't ranked) and WNEU at 5 above Ithaca, Brockport, and Cortland. Not taking away from WNEU as they are an impressive NE program but these rankings simply do not reflect the current 10 best teams in this region. Maybe (and sometimes) they shake out and get closer as the weeks go on but damn...piss ****ing poor.
Ice's point is that mixing common sense and criteria from people who know these teams very well is more accurate (speaking to the fan polls here) than the criteria.
Ice Bear should consider that there is no common sense or criteria case to be made for ranking Martin Luther. They would lose by 20+ points to the 9 teams ahead of them and the 5-6 teams that didn't get ranked behind them. One of those teams, GAC already destroyed Martin Luther in the H2H :)
@Baldini, make the case for why Martin Luther passes "the eye test" ... cuz they certainly don't pass the "field test" aka, see GAC result.
Quote from: Baldini on November 05, 2019, 11:19:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
The committee did rank a UMAC team in 2016, but hasn't since.
I'm really not advocating for a UMAC team in the regional rankings, just for everyone to keep an open mind to other possibilities is all.
Reading this board as a whole, what I come away with is voters like myself have in fact kept an open mind to other possibilities. I know I spend as much time looking at UMAC and MWC results as I do on WIAC/MIAC, for example. But if some of us are making definitive statements that Martin Luther is not a top 10 West team, it's because actual data, including head to head results, formed that view. There's nothing closed minded about that.
What's fun is that with all the upsets and surprises this year in the West, as a voter it forces me to go deeper into the results and info, to form my ballot each week.
Quote from: hazzben on November 07, 2019, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 07, 2019, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 05, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: smedindy on November 05, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
The Regional Rankings are advised heavily by the criteria and they play a big role.
I'm referring to fan poll rankings. Obviously the real Regional Rankings rely heavily on the criteria. My point is that a good fan poll/ballot should as well.
Ice Bear doesn't necessarily think so. Certainly the same criteria used in the RR should be considered when doing the fan poll but as a voter in the fan poll Ice tries to use common sense, which at time, trumps the criteria by itself. Ice isn't sure abut what usually happens out West as he is only beginning to look into the happenings out here, but he sure knows in the East the RR very rarely accurately depicts the top ten teams in the east at any given time.
In the East's RR this week we have ****ing Wilkes at 10, WPI at 9 (which just lost to MIT which isn't ranked) and WNEU at 5 above Ithaca, Brockport, and Cortland. Not taking away from WNEU as they are an impressive NE program but these rankings simply do not reflect the current 10 best teams in this region. Maybe (and sometimes) they shake out and get closer as the weeks go on but damn...piss ****ing poor.
Ice's point is that mixing common sense and criteria from people who know these teams very well is more accurate (speaking to the fan polls here) than the criteria.
Ice Bear should consider that there is no common sense or criteria case to be made for ranking Martin Luther. They would lose by 20+ points to the 9 teams ahead of them and the 5-6 teams that didn't get ranked behind them. One of those teams, GAC already destroyed Martin Luther in the H2H :)
@Baldini, make the case for why Martin Luther passes "the eye test" ... cuz they certainly don't pass the "field test" aka, see GAC result.
Baldini thinks hazzben has incorrectly assumed that Baldini was making a case for Martin Luther in the top 10. Baldini thinks if hazzben go's back to reply #729 he will see were Baldini listed 13 teams he thought were possibilities for the first regional rankings before the ranking came out. Baldini thinks hazzben may want to try some decaf.
Quote from: wm4 on November 07, 2019, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Baldini on November 05, 2019, 11:19:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
The committee did rank a UMAC team in 2016, but hasn't since.
I'm really not advocating for a UMAC team in the regional rankings, just for everyone to keep an open mind to other possibilities is all.
Reading this board as a whole, what I come away with is voters like myself have in fact kept an open mind to other possibilities. I know I spend as much time looking at UMAC and MWC results as I do on WIAC/MIAC, for example. But if some of us are making definitive statements that Martin Luther is not a top 10 West team, it's because actual data, including head to head results, formed that view. There's nothing closed minded about that.
What's fun is that with all the upsets and surprises this year in the West, as a voter it forces me to go deeper into the results and info, to form my ballot each week.
I agree with all that. I thought my comment was fairly clear and simple, I was not implying that if people didn't come to a conclusion to include a team from a bottom tier conference that they were wrong. Just keep an open mind about everyone, but if a voter should decide to include one of them it is not the huge mistake that some want to claim either.
Quote from: hazzben on November 07, 2019, 12:29:42 PM
@Baldini, make the case for why Martin Luther passes "the eye test" ... cuz they certainly don't pass the "field test" aka, see GAC result.
(Sorry, Hazz - I just grabbed your quote for an example - I know you "get it")
Thanx guys, for noticing I went waaaaaay against the grain in my last ballot. I'll state for the third time, I threw out all the TWO LOSS teams before selecting my picks. It trumps all head to head, regional rankings and comes closer to a true "coaches poll", in that it is simply looking at wins and losses. Once I had those teams, I tried ranking them in order of who I thought could beat whom in a head to head competition. There was no intention on my part to guess how I would do against the regional rankings - I got lucky there.
However, after a little navel gazing, one has to start to wonder if I caught onto something concerning the Regional Ranking Committee. Perhaps, they too, put more emphasis on records versus the secondary and tertiary tools at their disposal at this time of year. As Hazz has mentioned a few times here, Gustavus should be "Regionally Ranked" with the win over Martin Luther, if head to head competition was the primary tool at their disposal, and other "better games" thus far. But it kind of looks to me like the Committee has turned a blind eye to these types of results.
This might be a question Pat could forward to the NCAA for clarification, at this time of the year, when SOS is still so fluid.
I hate decaf ;D ;)
Quote from: art76 on November 07, 2019, 02:14:36 PM
This might be a question Pat could forward to the NCAA for clarification, at this time of the year, when SOS is still so fluid.
I already know you are a podcast regular, so I think you will get something out of the interview we have in tomorrow's pod (257) with Jim Catanzaro.
PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
I'm ashamed of you art ;)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: art76 on November 07, 2019, 02:14:36 PM
This might be a question Pat could forward to the NCAA for clarification, at this time of the year, when SOS is still so fluid.
I already know you are a podcast regular, so I think you will get something out of the interview we have in tomorrow's pod (257) with Jim Catanzaro.
Thanx Pat! Looking forward to it - hope I can figure out how to listen on my phone as I head north for the deer opener.
Quote from: art76 on November 07, 2019, 02:50:53 PM
PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
GASP!!!
Quote from: art76 on November 07, 2019, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: hazzben on November 07, 2019, 12:29:42 PM
@Baldini, make the case for why Martin Luther passes "the eye test" ... cuz they certainly don't pass the "field test" aka, see GAC result.
(Sorry, Hazz - I just grabbed your quote for an example - I know you "get it")
Thanx guys, for noticing I went waaaaaay against the grain in my last ballot. I'll state for the third time, I threw out all the TWO LOSS teams before selecting my picks. It trumps all head to head, regional rankings and comes closer to a true "coaches poll", in that it is simply looking at wins and losses. Once I had those teams, I tried ranking them in order of who I thought could beat whom in a head to head competition. There was no intention on my part to guess how I would do against the regional rankings - I got lucky there.
However, after a little navel gazing, one has to start to wonder if I caught onto something concerning the Regional Ranking Committee. Perhaps, they too, put more emphasis on records versus the secondary and tertiary tools at their disposal at this time of year. As Hazz has mentioned a few times here, Gustavus should be "Regionally Ranked" with the win over Martin Luther, if head to head competition was the primary tool at their disposal, and other "better games" thus far. But it kind of looks to me like the Committee has turned a blind eye to these types of results.
This might be a question Pat could forward to the NCAA for clarification, at this time of the year, when SOS is still so fluid.
Ice believes that the committees do place a large amount of stock in W's vs. L's. On the LLPP we've had a plethora of conversations about scheduling strong opponents vs. cupcakes and the benefits and pitfalls of both.
IB also understands the frustration hazzben has in regards to the possible dismissal of a head-to-head win/wins. Ice says jest using an example from the ERRR, "so you're ****ing telling me Wilkes would defeat Hobart and that Hobart's win vs. Brockport (currently #7 and the E8 champ) and only having losses to #4 Union and #6 Ithaca justify having Wilkes ahead of them? What **** are you drinking committee?" It can certainly be frustrating.
Ice asks this knowledgeable group what is the best way to determine the RR? ****, if it was ****ing up to Ice he'd have the voters come from the fan polls...Ice makes jokes, makes jokes...or maybe not.
I am not sure what is really shown by beating the tar out of Willamette, Lewis & Clark, Puget Sound and Pacific -- the latter two of which showed exactly how little defense they play when they combined for 115 points and 1,416 yards of total offense last week -- but to each his own. This week will be far more telling, next week perhaps so, to a lesser extent.
I'm not the first to say it, but an improved SOS formula would be a great start.
Quote from: art76 on November 07, 2019, 02:50:53 PM
PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
It's cool. I'm gonna vote for Beloit next week because they are 1-0 (undefeated) in games vs Major D3s from south of de Pere and north of Ripon. My mind is open, and it's a groovy world
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
I am not sure what is really shown by beating the tar out of Willamette, Lewis & Clark, Puget Sound and Pacific -- the latter two of which showed exactly how little defense they play when they combined for 115 points and 1,416 yards of total offense last week -- but to each his own. This week will be far more telling, next week perhaps so, to a lesser extent.
I agree with you. I do not like ANY 60+ point wins. Yet, look at the Top 20 teams that equally hammer their weaker opponents. So, to point out only Linfield is rather selective. The Cats will not score 60+ against Whitworth.
GT
Quote from: George Thompson on November 07, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
I am not sure what is really shown by beating the tar out of Willamette, Lewis & Clark, Puget Sound and Pacific -- the latter two of which showed exactly how little defense they play when they combined for 115 points and 1,416 yards of total offense last week -- but to each his own. This week will be far more telling, next week perhaps so, to a lesser extent.
I agree with you. I do not like ANY 60+ point wins. Yet, look at the Top 20 teams that equally hammer their weaker opponents. So, to point out only Linfield is rather selective. The Cats will not score 60+ against Whitworth.
GT
pat made his comment in regards to another poster ranking the Cats over Redlands because they have grown more as the season has progressed. He wasn't singling out the Cats for running up the score
Agreed. I just wasn't sure what we learned from those games.
Quote from: hazzben on November 06, 2019, 02:19:24 PM
Quote from: Baldini on November 06, 2019, 12:07:37 PM
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings
Martin Luther is #10 in the first regional ranking, good job art76 for thinking outside the box.
Just because the Regional Rankigs list Martin Luther 10 doesn't mean it's correct or a good use of the criteria. Especially when there's a H2H result that screams, they aren't as good as GAC. The point of SOS and RRO is to give some data against pure W-L record slotting.
It's not a huge deal right now. But if GAC beats UST Saturday and ML is still above them, that's egregious. And I'm not saying they have to rank GAC, just that if they are ranking ML and not GAC they have missed something significant (I. e. An actual H2H result that was very lopsided)
Listening to the podcast and the National Chair, he indicated GAC was not ranked because they weren't the next best team from their own conference let alone the next best on the board in the region. The implication is that UST would have been next. He also reiterated that RRO was not a consideration this round but will be next week.
Another interesting response to a question on GAC vs Martin Luther was to highlight Monmouth. To paraphrase: "Monmouth is #1 ranked SOS in the country with losses to Wartburg and Wheaton, both undefeated teams ranked #2 in their regions. If we just looked at limited criteria we would have had Monmouth in there"
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
I am not sure what is really shown by beating the tar out of Willamette, Lewis & Clark, Puget Sound and Pacific -- the latter two of which showed exactly how little defense they play when they combined for 115 points and 1,416 yards of total offense last week -- but to each his own. This week will be far more telling, next week perhaps so, to a lesser extent.
One of your best comments ever PC..
The reshuffling of the west should be very interesting this week. The first 9 should remain the first 9 and in what order is the only question. That shuffling will probably be effected by who ends up in the 10th spot. I believe Martin Luther, Monmouth, St. Thomas, UW-Lacrosse and UW-Platteville are all options to be placed there.
If St. Thomas should claim it, it should help St. John's move up and combined with the Wartburg lose St. John's may inch back up to the 3rd spot in the west. Which should mean a home game and also keep them out of a quad with UW-W. But does St. Thomas really have any chance to claim that spot? If the common opponent theory is a thing and carries the weight that many here have claimed, then the GAC win for St. Thomas this weekend puts them ahead of Martin Luther. That is solved, move St. John's up, end of story.
Oh but the tangled web we weave. If Martin Luther is out because of a common opponent, well St. Thomas can no longer be an option because of a common opponent. St. Thomas lost to UW-EC and they are a common opponent with UW-O, UW-LC and UW-Platteville, so I guess St. Thomas can't be ranked ahead of any of those and St. John's move up the ladder is put on hold.
I'm thinking this week might look something like this,
1.) UW-Whitewater
2.) Chapman
3.) Redlands
4.) St. Johns
5.) Central
6.) Linfield
7.) Bethel
8.) Wartburg
9.) UW-Oshkosh
10.) UW-Platteville
As long as Bethel is above Wartburg you can slot them however you or the committee desire 8-) ;)
Quote from: hazzben on November 10, 2019, 08:45:54 AM
As long as Bethel is above Wartburg you can slot them however you or the committee desire 8-) ;)
That may well be the difference between being in and being out. Trying few days for fans on both sides of the fence here.
West Region
1 UW-Whitewater 9-0 + .559 (28) 0-0
2 Wartburg 8-1 .576 (19) 0-1
3 Chapman 8-0 .532 (56) 1-0
4 Redlands 8-1 .596 (9) 1-1
5 St. John's 8-1 .527 (68) 1-0
6 Bethel 8-1 .494 (140) 0-1
7 Linfield 7-1 .511 (107) 0-1
8 Central 8-1 .515 (98) 1-0
9 UW-Oshkosh 7-2 .570 (21) 0-0
10 Martin Luther 8-1 .439 (204) 0-0
11. St Thomas 7-2 .497 (62) 0-1
12. Monmouth 6-2 .611 (3) 0-2
Here is the updated SOS and RRO's added for the west. There are 3 things that changed from last week. First is the W/L % of Central and Wartburg (all others won). Two is the SOS of the various teams, and 3rd the RRO will be counted toward this weeks rankings. Forget the idea that St Thomas is 100 TD's better than ML, for the committee, that doesn't matter. The reason to rank ST Thomas, based on the criteria, would be their RRO record or their stronger SOS. The SOS vs ML didn't matter last week so I am not sure why, all of a sudden it would matter this week to the committee. Martin Luther has a stronger win %. I think it would be tough to get St Thomas into these rankings. Monmouth, based on criteria, is actually much stronger in every way than STT and they didn't rank them last week either.
I am assuming the same 10 teams will be ranked this week. The question then becomes what to do with Wartburg. They are now a 1 loss team and will be compared to StJ, Bethel, Redlands, Etc. I don't see a case to drop Wartburg below Bethel. Compared to St Johns, they may rank StJ higher based on RRO. Central could get bumped up to 4. I think West could look like this:
1. UWW
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
4. Central
5 St Johns
6. Wartburg
7. Bethel
8. Linfield
9. UWO
10 Martin Luther
I don't think you can really make an argument for St Thomas over Martin Luther without making the same argument (again based on criteria) for Monmouth, who is stronger than STT on paper (and would lose by a lot the Tommies on the field). The SOS criteria are broken. Monmouth is getting a SOS boost by not playing Grinnell (who forfeited) and thereby getting their 0-3 record counted in their SOS. That affects Wartburg and Wheaton as well, the former likely staying above Bethel as a result of that.
I could be reading this stuff all wrong, but the data is here, everyone can take a look for themselves.
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
USee. Don't disagree with you on any of this. The only thing that can help UST v ML (besides common sense) is the common opponent in GAC. Not sure that it will, but it seems like a data point to at least discuss. But wouldn't be shocked to see ML still there and UST unranked.
@Pat
Could you ask the chair if they ever consider common opponents? Also, if they are viewing Monmouths SOS with an asterisk because of Grinnell or not? The latter seems particularly relevant.
Quote from: hazzben on November 10, 2019, 10:27:19 AM
USee. Don't disagree with you on any of this. The only thing that can help UST v ML (besides common sense) is the common opponent in GAC. Not sure that it will, but it seems like a data point to at least discuss. But wouldn't be shocked to see ML still there and UST unranked.
@Pat
Could you ask the chair if they ever consider common opponents? Also, if they are viewing Monmouths SOS with an asterisk because of Grinnell or not? The latter seems particularly relevant.
Common opponent is listed as a primary criteria so it should be relevant. Again, the Monmouth criteria hurts STT here and ML is a bit of a bail out to having to decide that. Its easier to rationalize Win % as a differentiator.
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
Come playoff time the NWC WILL SHINE In So. Cal :-*
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
Come playoff time the NWC WILL SHINE In So. Cal :-*
Time for Linfield to visit Belton, TX for once in the first round. The SCIAC champion routinely gets sent there, so no reason for the NWC to avoid that fate.
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
Come playoff time the NWC WILL SHINE In So. Cal :-*
Time for Linfield to visit Belton, TX for once in the first round. The SCIAC champion routinely gets sent there, so no reason for the NWC to avoid that fate.
Hard to believe the NCAA won't be booking a Linfield at Chapman 1st round game. IMO
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
Come playoff time the NWC WILL SHINE In So. Cal :-*
Time for Linfield to visit Belton, TX for once in the first round. The SCIAC champion routinely gets sent there, so no reason for the NWC to avoid that fate.
Hard to believe the NCAA won't be booking a Linfield at Chapman 1st round game. IMO
I agree with you. Much gets said about the SCIAC's playoff record, but how would the other conferences fare getting sent so often to UMHB for a first round matchup? It's not all of the SCIAC's playoff record, but most teams will struggle getting a win there. Here is what I would like to see possibly.
Linfield at UMHB
Redlands (if selected) at WIAC or MIAC champion
Iowa champion at Chapman
Quote from: hazzben on November 10, 2019, 10:27:19 AM
USee. Don't disagree with you on any of this. The only thing that can help UST v ML (besides common sense) is the common opponent in GAC. Not sure that it will, but it seems like a data point to at least discuss. But wouldn't be shocked to see ML still there and UST unranked.
@Pat
Could you ask the chair if they ever consider common opponents sense? Also, if they are viewing Monmouths SOS with an asterisk because of Grinnell or not? The latter seems particularly relevant.
Fixed it for you ;D
While it's confusing and challenging to rank the 10th spot in the West right now, the good news is there is a huge game in week 11 that will provide (hopefully) clarity.
If Chapman and Redlands are in the top 5 in the West, I'm going to screenshot the rankings.
May never see it again in my lifetime
'CATS!
Quote from: D O.C. on November 10, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
If Chapman and Redlands are in the top 5 in the West, I'm going to screenshot the rankings.
May never see it again in my lifetime
'CATS!
This literally just happened on Wednesday.
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2019, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 10, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
If Chapman and Redlands are in the top 5 in the West, I'm going to screenshot the rankings.
May never see it again in my lifetime
'CATS!
This literally just happened on Wednesday.
Linfield education, Wally. They need help with reading comprehension.
Quote from: RFB on November 10, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 10, 2019, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 10, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
If Chapman and Redlands are in the top 5 in the West, I'm going to screenshot the rankings.
May never see it again in my lifetime
'CATS!
This literally just happened on Wednesday.
Linfield education, Wally. They need help with reading comprehension.
But they still have their above average streak. ;)
OK you accountants and statisticians, reference was to Baldini's
1. UWW
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
Well! Excuse Me!
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Quote from: D O.C. on November 10, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
If Chapman and Redlands are in the top 5 in the West, I'm going to screenshot the rankings.
May never see it again in my lifetime
'CATS!
This literally just happened on Wednesday.
Linfield education, Wally. They need help with reading comprehension.
But they still have their above average streak. ;)
Ha! Nobody's been at least slightly above average for longer ;) (I jest, I'd celebrate the steak too, especially if my program had numerous national titles on the resume too, like Linfield does.)
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
Come playoff time the NWC WILL SHINE In So. Cal :-*
Time for Linfield to visit Belton, TX for once in the first round. The SCIAC champion routinely gets sent there, so no reason for the NWC to avoid that fate.
Hard to believe the NCAA won't be booking a Linfield at Chapman 1st round game. IMO
I agree with you. Much gets said about the SCIAC's playoff record, but how would the other conferences fare getting sent so often to UMHB for a first round matchup? It's not all of the SCIAC's playoff record, but most teams will struggle getting a win there. Here is what I would like to see possibly.
Linfield at UMHB
Redlands (if selected) at WIAC or MIAC champion
Iowa champion at Chapman
SCIAC schools have only lost to UMHB four times in the last 16 years of D3 playoffs (granted, four of the last seven years), the NWC has ousted them on 10 separate occasions (twice in the last five and five in the last 10). Not saying playing UMHB hasn't essentially been a season ending sentence, but the SCIAC hasn't put up a fight in the playoffs since Cal LU vs Linfield in 2011 (Linfield won 30-27). Prior to that, 2004 was the last time a California team wasn't blown out in the first round.
That being said, this could easily be the year the SCIAC makes a splash.
Yes they could it's called a Big belly flop 8-)
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PS. And another thing I did in my last ballot was put Linfield ahead of Redlands, because it is my opinion that if they played this Saturday, the results would be different, because Linfield has "grown" more that the Bulldogs have through the season. I know, it's such a travesty what I have done...
Lol. Redlands punched Linfield in the mouth and thoroughly dominated them. Linfield had negative 14 yards rushing on the night. The score indicates a closer game, but it was not. Redlands and Chapman without a doubt have owned the top NWC teams this season.
Come playoff time the NWC WILL SHINE In So. Cal :-*
Time for Linfield to visit Belton, TX for once in the first round. The SCIAC champion routinely gets sent there, so no reason for the NWC to avoid that fate.
Hard to believe the NCAA won't be booking a Linfield at Chapman 1st round game. IMO
I agree with you. Much gets said about the SCIAC's playoff record, but how would the other conferences fare getting sent so often to UMHB for a first round matchup? It's not all of the SCIAC's playoff record, but most teams will struggle getting a win there. Here is what I would like to see possibly.
Linfield at UMHB
Redlands (if selected) at WIAC or MIAC champion
Iowa champion at Chapman
SCIAC schools have only lost to UMHB four times in the last 16 years of D3 playoffs (granted, four of the last seven years), the NWC has ousted them on 10 separate occasions (twice in the last five and five in the last 10). Not saying playing UMHB hasn't essentially been a season ending sentence, but the SCIAC hasn't put up a fight in the playoffs since Cal LU vs Linfield in 2011 (Linfield won 30-27). Prior to that, 2004 was the last time a California team wasn't blown out in the first round.
That being said, this could easily be the year the SCIAC makes a splash.
And how many first round away games for the NWC? You raise good counterpoints, but the SCIAC rarely gets a home game in the first round. If my memory serves me correctly, the SCIAC has had two home playoff games since 2004.
Cal Lu hosted North Central in 2013 I believe and lost. Redlands beat that same North Central team at Redlands earlier in the season. Oxy hosted Willamette in 2004 and beat them, and then went on the road and beat Concordia Moorhead. They lost to a loaded Linfield team in the West final (or semifinal, can't remember).
I have sympathy for the Rd 1 Belton trips. I don't have sympathy for having to win on the road. In the playoffs, the better teams will get it done. It's not like you have to play on the road at a stadium with 80k+ fans, where crowd noise actually makes communication hard, etc. The SCIAC will get it's shot to make a statement this year (I think you have two very good teams). But not being able to win in Rd 1 is on the teams, regardless of where you're playing.
Anecdotally, I think going on the road was a major boon for Bethel in 2007 and 2010. You get away with the team, it's a bonding experience, and it allows for extra focus in a lot of ways (aka, no one is hanging out with their girlfriend on Friday night).
Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Anecdotally, I think going on the road was a major boon for Bethel in 2007 and 2010. You get away with the team, it's a bonding experience, and it allows for extra focus in a lot of ways (aka, no one is hanging out with their girlfriend on Friday night).
100% agreed!
2000, we traveled to: UW-Stout, PLU, Central, Hardin-Simmons, and the Stagg
2001, we played SNC and UW-SP at home, PLU in the Fargodome, and at MUC
2002, we played Redlands and Coe at home, and at Linfield and Trinity
Home playoff games are great for fans, but those trips are awesome team time, and I have some great memories of those trips.
No one will argue that round 1 at UMHB is a tough draw, though!
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Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Anecdotally, I think going on the road was a major boon for Bethel in 2007 and 2010. You get away with the team, it's a bonding experience, and it allows for extra focus in a lot of ways (aka, no one is hanging out with their girlfriend on Friday night).
100% agreed!
2000, we traveled to: UW-Stout, PLU, Central, Hardin-Simmons, and the Stagg
2001, we played SNC and UW-SP at home, PLU in the Fargodome, and at MUC
2002, we played Redlands and Coe at home, and at Linfield and Trinity
Home playoff games are great for fans, but those trips are awesome team time, and I have some great memories of those trips.
No one will argue that round 1 at UMHB is a tough draw, though!
I'm curious, why did you guys play at the Fargo Dome?
Quote from: TheChucker on November 12, 2019, 03:45:06 PM
I'm curious, why did you guys play at the Fargo Dome?
The UW-SP game was played in a downpour, and the field was basically destroyed (that was actually the last game on the grass at Clemens). Then, we got dumped with 12+" of snow that Sunday-Monday, so the field was not playable.
2 things - DuffMan you need to update the footer on the bottom of your posts to include 2019 in the MIAC champion area. :)
Also, in regard to the upcoming seedings, when was the last time (if ever) the MIAC AQ team did not get at least 1 home game?
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I'm curious, why did you guys play at the Fargo Dome?
The UW-SP game was played in a downpour, and the field was basically destroyed (that was actually the last game on the grass at Clemens). Then, we got dumped with 12+" of snow that Sunday-Monday, so the field was not playable.
The week before was my first trip to Clemens as SID here at St. Norbert, and the weather for that game was absolutely gorgeous. Temperature around 60 IIRC.
Quote from: sncsid on November 12, 2019, 05:00:04 PM
The week before was my first trip to Clemens as SID here at St. Norbert, and the weather for that game was absolutely gorgeous. Temperature around 60 IIRC.
I'll trust your memory. I tend to remember the bad weather moreso than the good. 2001 UW-SP was cold and rainy. 2002 Coe was brutally cold. 2000 PLU poured like crazy.
The 2004 Oxy game with Concordia Moorhead was also played at the Fargo Dome.
2019 Week 10 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 1 90
2) St. John's 2 75
t3) Chapman 5 66
t3) Bethel 4 66
5) Redlands 6 50
6) St. Thomas 8 34
t7) Central N/A 33
t7) Linfield 7 33
9) Wartburg 3 29
10) UW-Oshkosh 10 9
Dropped Out: UW-Platteville
RV) UW-Platteville (7), Martin Luther (2), Whitworth (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.
1) UW-Whitewater (9) 90 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5)
t3) Chapman 66 ( 2, 2, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
t3) Bethel 66 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 8)
5) Redlands 50 ( 3, 3, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
t6) St. Thomas 34 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
t6) Central 33 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 9, 9, -)
8) Linfield 33 ( 4, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9)
9) Wartburg 29 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9,10,10)
10) UW-Oshkosh 9 ( 7, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 7 ( 8,10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Martin Luther 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Shout out to a couple voters who don't believe the Central-Wartburg game actually happened. Don't bogart that joint, my open-minded friends!
Quote from: WW on November 13, 2019, 10:33:41 AM
Shout out to a couple voters who don't believe the Central-Wartburg game actually happened. Don't bogart that joint, my open-minded friends!
LOL
Just one voter had Wartburg higher than Central this week. I won't single out who, but rather give them the change to explain if they choose to here.
There's a few other interesting ones as well, but I won't judge...I'm just here to tally up the totals and post the results. ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: WW on November 13, 2019, 10:33:41 AM
Shout out to a couple voters who don't believe the Central-Wartburg game actually happened. Don't bogart that joint, my open-minded friends!
LOL
Just one voter had Wartburg higher than Central this week. I won't single out who, but rather give them the change to explain if they choose to here.
There's a few other interesting ones as well, but I won't judge...I'm just here to tally up the totals and post the results. ;D
I'm actually surprised there aren't more who kept Wartburg above Central.
In the D3football.com top 25, Wartburg is still higher and I think it can be fully justified.
Central won in OT by 1 point, at home. Ignore the goofiness of Central getting up big and blowing the lead and assume the HFA is worth at least that 1 point (in D3, there is some dispute whether the standard 3 applies).
Now factor in that Central has a loss, and it's 28-7 to a Dubuque team that Wartburg handled easily. H2H is meaningful, but I don't think it overrides everything else, especially when it's by 1, in OT, at home.
It's a very similar argument to Baylor-TCU a few years back when they both got left out of the playoff. Baylor beat TCU (narrowly) at home. But Baylor also lost to a mediocre West Virginia team.
To be clear though, I'm not a poll voter.
Fair point, but in a top 25 poll I'm guessing many had Wartburg highly over ranked - top 10 maybe. So when Wartburg lost they probably had a hard time justifying on dropping them so low that Central would enter their poll above Wartburg. In my top 25 I didn't have Wartburg that high, so I had no problem putting Central above them this week. In these Region Fall polls, when a H2H upset occurs, it's a little easier to drop the losing team below the winning team - even when the winning team wasn't ranked the week before - just because we're only dealing with 10 teams...rather than 25.
For me, I put a ton of stock in H2H results more than anything else. If Team A and Team B have similar records, but Team A won H2H, Team A will be ranked ahead of Team B 10 out of 10 times in my poll. I still have St. John's over Bethel, Central over Wartburg, Redlands over Linfield and Chapman over Redlands. The exception being, once the winning team of a H2H match starts losing multiple games, then all bets are off. H2H is then no longer relevant in my mind. Like how nobody has UWEC ranked higher than St. Thomas. Or Moorhead ranked higher than St. John's. The winning teams in those H2H lost too many times during the year to be considered.
Where it gets tricky is when three solid teams all beat each other. For instance in the WIAC: UWL beat UWO, UWO beat UWP and UWP beat UWL. For this week I have UWP #8 and UWO and UWL not ranked. Reason being...UWP handily beat UWL by 18, and UWL smoked UWO by 28. I realize that UWP lost to UWO, but it was in the closing seconds of the game. Plus UWP played UWW tight in Whitewater, while UWO hasn't faced UWW yet. Not saying my logic is correct, but that's how I tried separating one team from that pack.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 11:54:30 AM
Fair point, but in a top 25 poll I'm guessing many had Wartburg highly over ranked - top 10 maybe. So when Wartburg lost they probably had a hard time justifying on dropping them so low that Central would enter their poll above Wartburg. In my top 25 I didn't have Wartburg that high, so I had no problem putting Central above them this week. In these Region Fall polls, when a H2H upset occurs, it's a little easier to drop the losing team below the winning team team (who wasn't ranked the week before) just because we're only dealing with 10 teams...rather than 25.
Where it gets tricky is when three solid teams all beat each other. For instance in the WIAC: UWL beat UWO, UWO beat UWP and UWP beat UWL. For this week I have UWP #8 and UWO and UWL not ranked. Reason being...UWP handily beat UWL by 18 and UWL smoked UWO by 28. I realize that UWP lost to UWO, but it was in the closing seconds of the game. Plus UWP played UWW tight while UWO hasn't faced UWW yet. Not saying my logic is correct, but that's how I tried separating one team from that pack.
In the top 25, I also suspect that some folks had Wartburg ranked but didn't have Central on the radar, so that conglomeration of data points keeps Wartburg ahead of Central.
As to the WIAC, I had to try to explain to a friend who went to Platteville why Lacross received more points (outside of the 25) than Platteville. I fumbled my way through some lame justifications.
Quote from: jamtod on November 13, 2019, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 11:54:30 AM
Fair point, but in a top 25 poll I'm guessing many had Wartburg highly over ranked - top 10 maybe. So when Wartburg lost they probably had a hard time justifying on dropping them so low that Central would enter their poll above Wartburg. In my top 25 I didn't have Wartburg that high, so I had no problem putting Central above them this week. In these Region Fall polls, when a H2H upset occurs, it's a little easier to drop the losing team below the winning team team (who wasn't ranked the week before) just because we're only dealing with 10 teams...rather than 25.
Where it gets tricky is when three solid teams all beat each other. For instance in the WIAC: UWL beat UWO, UWO beat UWP and UWP beat UWL. For this week I have UWP #8 and UWO and UWL not ranked. Reason being...UWP handily beat UWL by 18 and UWL smoked UWO by 28. I realize that UWP lost to UWO, but it was in the closing seconds of the game. Plus UWP played UWW tight while UWO hasn't faced UWW yet. Not saying my logic is correct, but that's how I tried separating one team from that pack.
In the top 25, I also suspect that some folks had Wartburg ranked but didn't have Central on the radar, so that conglomeration of data points keeps Wartburg ahead of Central.
As to the WIAC, I had to try to explain to a friend who went to Platteville why Lacross received more points (outside of the 25) than Platteville. I fumbled my way through some lame justifications.
Yeah, and it seems people weigh recent games more than the games played earlier in the year. The UWP's loss is fresh on the voter's minds, even though UWP beat UWL by 3 TDs a month ago. A loss in October should count the same as a loss in November...but to each their own.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
Yeah, and it seems the more recent games are weighted more that games played earlier in the year. The UWP loss to UWO is fresh on the voters minds, even though UWP beat UWL by 3 TDs over a month ago. Each loss is the same, doesn't matter when it occurred...but to each their own.
I maybe agree, but it really depends on what the poll is hoping to achieve and poll voters aren't always aligned on that.
Is the poll intended to be purely based on resume? If so, then when the losses happen shouldn't matter, but a team with a loss could still have a case to be ranked above an undefeated team. How much do prior year results (and general feelings about strength of conferences) get factored in?
Is the poll intended to be based on who would win H2H? Then, a 2 or 3 loss team with a tough schedule might be ranked highly. St Thomas or the 2nd tier of the WIAC, for example. It's also possible this won't be reflective of actual H2H results, as other data might suggest that that H2H result was abnormal (SJU-Concordia, UST-Eau Claire, Wartburg-Central?)
Often the poll ends up being a hybrid mixture.
Quote from: jamtod on November 13, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
Yeah, and it seems the more recent games are weighted more that games played earlier in the year. The UWP loss to UWO is fresh on the voters minds, even though UWP beat UWL by 3 TDs over a month ago. Each loss is the same, doesn't matter when it occurred...but to each their own.
I maybe agree, but it really depends on what the poll is hoping to achieve and poll voters aren't always aligned on that.
Is the poll intended to be purely based on resume? If so, then when the losses happen shouldn't matter, but a team with a loss could still have a case to be ranked above an undefeated team. How much do prior year results (and general feelings about strength of conferences) get factored in?
Is the poll intended to be based on who would win H2H? Then, a 2 or 3 loss team with a tough schedule might be ranked highly. St Thomas or the 2nd tier of the WIAC, for example. It's also possible this won't be reflective of actual H2H results, as other data might suggest that that H2H result was abnormal (SJU-Concordia, UST-Eau Claire, Wartburg-Central?)
Often the poll ends up being a hybrid mixture.
Exactly, it all depends. Using H2H data whenever possible, I try to rank my teams in order on who could beat who on a neutral field. So I think my #1 team can beat the #2 team, my #2 team can beat the #3 team, and so on.
Quote from: jamtod on November 13, 2019, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 11:54:30 AM
Fair point, but in a top 25 poll I'm guessing many had Wartburg highly over ranked - top 10 maybe. So when Wartburg lost they probably had a hard time justifying on dropping them so low that Central would enter their poll above Wartburg. In my top 25 I didn't have Wartburg that high, so I had no problem putting Central above them this week. In these Region Fall polls, when a H2H upset occurs, it's a little easier to drop the losing team below the winning team team (who wasn't ranked the week before) just because we're only dealing with 10 teams...rather than 25.
Where it gets tricky is when three solid teams all beat each other. For instance in the WIAC: UWL beat UWO, UWO beat UWP and UWP beat UWL. For this week I have UWP #8 and UWO and UWL not ranked. Reason being...UWP handily beat UWL by 18 and UWL smoked UWO by 28. I realize that UWP lost to UWO, but it was in the closing seconds of the game. Plus UWP played UWW tight while UWO hasn't faced UWW yet. Not saying my logic is correct, but that's how I tried separating one team from that pack.
In the top 25, I also suspect that some folks had Wartburg ranked but didn't have Central on the radar, so that conglomeration of data points keeps Wartburg ahead of Central.
As to the WIAC, I had to try to explain to a friend who went to Platteville why Lacross received more points (outside of the 25) than Platteville. I fumbled my way through some lame justifications.
The new term is UW-LaPlatteKosh
It was me. Yes, Wartburg lost to Central....in OT...on the road. Central lost to Dubuque. Wartburg handled Dubuque with ease. I count those results greater than the one-point OT game.
Quote from: smedindy on November 14, 2019, 03:47:51 PM
It was me. Yes, Wartburg lost to Central....in OT...on the road. Central lost to Dubuque. Wartburg handled Dubuque with ease. I count those results greater than the one-point OT game.
Nailed it.
Formatting not my forte
Polls Schmolls
2009 football season....
Preseason
1 Mount Union (23) 15-0 623 1
2 UW-Whitewater (2) 13-2 602 2
3 Mary Hardin-Baylor 12-2 560 3
4 North Central (Ill.) 11-1 497 9
5 Hardin-Simmons 9-2 459 7
6 Wheaton (Ill.) 11-3 456 5
7 UW-Stevens Point 9-2 426 14
8 Willamette 11-1 406 4
9 Wesley 9-2 355 13
10 Ithaca 9-2 268 23
11 Cortland State 11-2 260 6
12 Monmouth 11-1 255 16
13 St. John's 8-3 245 --
14 Washington and Jefferson 11-2 219 11
15 Hobart 9-2 199 17
16 Case Western Reserve 10-1 197 21
17 Wartburg 10-3 196 10
18 Wabash 10-2 194 18
19 Franklin 11-2 182 8
20 Christopher Newport 8-2 168 --
21 Montclair State 8-3 158 --
22 St. Thomas 7-3 124 --
23 Occidental 9-1 122 15
24 Otterbein 9-2 121 19
25 DePauw 8-2 98 --
Week 4
After wins over Hardin Simmons, Occidental, and NAIA Southern Oregon.
1 Mount Union (23) 3-0 623 1
2 UW-Whitewater (2) 3-0 600 2
3 Mary Hardin-Baylor 3-0 576 3
4 Wheaton (Ill.) 3-0 524 4
5 Wesley 4-0 523 5
6 St. John's 4-0 482 6
7 Washington and Jefferson 4-0 396 8
8 Linfield 3-0 380 13
Week 9
After NWC title.
1 Mount Union (19) 8-0 619 1
2 UW-Whitewater (6) 8-0 606 2
3 Wesley 8-0 565 3
4 St. John's 8-0 525 4
5 Linfield 8-0 520 5
Week 11
After playoff wins over California Lutheran Mary Hardin Baylor
St.Thomas
Loss to UW Whitewater
1 UW-Whitewater (25) 15-0 625 2
2 Mount Union 14-1 600 1
3 Linfield
12-1 569 5
Quote from: D O.C. on November 16, 2019, 02:09:39 AM
After NWC title.
1 Mount Union (19) 8-0 619 1
2 UW-Whitewater (6) 8-0 606 2
3 Wesley 8-0 565 3
4 St. John's 8-0 525 4
5 Linfield 8-0 520 5
DOC,
I would love to agree, but can't. Linfield is a top 20, probably Top 15, but that is it. They have a good chance to win first two rounds. But, I don't see them past that. Especially since no games will be at home. And, of course, that have one more regular season game to win. George Fox must not be overlooked. Probably the best four loss team in the nation.
GT
Oshkosh upset Whitewater 27-20. West region playoff bracketology is now all the more mystifying. Whitewater QB had a very ordinary night. If that's his quality of play, the well-coached Chapman Panthers have a real good chance of getting a rare SCIAC playoff victory.
My alma mater, Redlands, looks likely to receive a bid, but we'll lose first round as usual. The culture of the Bulldogs is such that we invariably commit way more silly penalties than our opponents do, with multiple unsportsmanlike flags being our specialty. I'm not saying we're a dirty team, but others might think so.
Redlands hasn't had a 9 win season in decades, so I'm mucho happy with this relatively young squad which will return about 2/3 of starters, including QB, RB's and best WR's.
Still waiting on one more entry. I'll post the results this afternoon, regardless.
2019 Week 11 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (4) 2 74
2) Chapman (2) t3 71
3) UW-Whitewater (2) 1 64
4) Redlands 5 53
5) St. Thomas 6 40
6) UW-Oshkosh 10 38
7) Linfield 8 29
8) Central 7 26
9) Wartburg 9 22
10) Bethel t3 20
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) UW-LaCrosse (3)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1 and wartnight.
1) St. John's (4) 74 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4)
2) Chapman (2) 71 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Whitewater (2) 64 ( 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 5, 6)
4) Redlands 53 ( 2, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5) St. Thomas 40 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 6, 8, 9,10)
6) UW-Oshkosh 38 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9)
7) Linfield 29 ( 3, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10)
8) Central 26 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9,10,10)
9) Wartburg 22 ( 6, 6, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
10) Bethel 20 ( 4, 7, 9, 9, 9,10,10,10)
RV) UW-LaCrosse 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Chapman ahead of WW? I don't think so.
Wow - did the bell curve ever get flattened! Parity abounded, and thise of us that are voters obviously saw things in teams that their fellow voters did not.
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 21, 2019, 03:41:46 PM
Chapman ahead of WW? I don't think so.
Why not? UWO beat them. I don't think it's that far fetched.
Plus I don't think UWO beating UWW is as fluky as say UWEC beating St. Thomas. UWO is a solid team, like Chapman.
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 21, 2019, 03:41:46 PM
Chapman ahead of WW? I don't think so.
It's been a strange year for sure (and that's a good thing). I debated that one quite a bit, but in the end gave the nod to Chapman. They took care of business, but had little to no connectivity to anything but SCIAC and NWC. They emerged as king of the west coast, and UWW looking rather pedestrian in losing to Oshkosh, had me re-evaluate everything.
Chapman is solid, and they went through the year unscathed. Not many can say that.
Alright....that time of year again. I'll try and kickstart this poll, and round up the troops.
I'll probably be looking for a few recruits if anyone is interested.
Thanks
I'm in.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 02, 2021, 09:12:04 AM
Alright....that time of year again. I'll try and kickstart this poll, and round up the troops.
I'll probably be looking for a few recruits if anyone is interested.
Thanks
I'll give 'er a shot. Who's in the West region again?
Quote from: WW on September 02, 2021, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 02, 2021, 09:12:04 AM
Alright....that time of year again. I'll try and kickstart this poll, and round up the troops.
I'll probably be looking for a few recruits if anyone is interested.
Thanks
I'll give 'er a shot. Who's in the West region again?
You make a great point, considering the West is technically not a region anymore. West is now split up into Region 5 and Region 6.
Region 6 has majority of the "West" along with the ASC (MHB, HSU, etc..)
Region 5 has MWC, ARC, NACC along with the CCIW
We can just stick to what was the old West (using just the teams we have been using in the past)? Or combine Regions 5 and 6 in our custom version of the "West"? Or we can just do Region 5 or Region 6 on its own?
Up for suggestions
Still one open spot remains if anyone is interested.
For those who already agreed, please check your messages. We have a decision to make regarding how we want to approach, since the West is technically no more.
Thanks
Good luck to you -maybe just keep the old west as the teams to rank
Yeah, after talking it over with those in the North poll, and taking suggestions from our West pollsters, I think we're just going to stick to the "West" teams. That way we're not grouping in teams like NCC, Wheaton and MHB. We'll leave those teams to the South and North to vote on.
For those participating, please check you PMs. I sent a list of West teams, as a reminder.
Hope to have a week 1 poll by Wednesday.
2021 Week 1 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) - 89
2) St. John's (1) - 78
3) UW-Oshkosh - 68
4) Bethel - 55
5) Wartburg - 51
6) Linfield - 46
7) Central - 41
8) Chapman - 29
9) UW-LaCrosse - 15
10) Whitworth - 9
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) Redlands (8), UW-Platteville (3), Gustavus Adolphus (2), Chicago (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) St. John's (1) 78 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4)
3) UW-Oshkosh 68 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 6, 6)
4) Bethel 55 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
5) Wartburg 51 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7)
6) Linfield 46 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, -)
7) Central 41 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
8) Chapman 29 ( 5, 6, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9)
9) UW-LaCrosse 15 ( 7, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Whitworth 9 ( 8, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 8 ( 6, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Still looking for one more to participate if anyone is interested, which will give us 10 people.
I'm in. What do you need from me? I keep up with D3 football. My son and I visited a lot of D3 schools accross the country from St. John's and other Minn schools, Wheaton, Carthage, George Fox, Puget Sound, Whitsworth, Case Western and all the SCIAC schools.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on September 09, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
I'm in. What do you need from me? I keep up with D3 football. My son and I visited a lot of D3 schools accross the country from St. John's and other Minn schools, Wheaton, Carthage, George Fox, Puget Sound, Whitsworth, Case Western and all the SCIAC schools.
Sweet. We're happy to have you. After this week's games send me a personal message of your top 10 teams from the "West". I'll send you a list of all the West teams to select from.
Please send me your top 10 by Tuesday each week, and I'll post the results as a group. I'll never reveal who ranked what team where. I leave it up to everyone if they want to divulge what their rankings where.
Still waiting on one more poll. Hopefully I can get it by the end of the day. Will post the results regardless this evening.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:08:06 PM
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 83 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4)
3) UW-Oshkosh 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, -)
4) Bethel 67 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7)
5) Linfield 55 ( 2, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
6) Central 53 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) Chapman 32 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, -)
8) UW-LaCrosse 25 ( 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
9) Redlands 17 ( 6, 6, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
t10) Gustavus Adolphus 16 ( 5, 7, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
t10) Whitworth 16 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 11 ( 3,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Woops. Somebody gonna have to stop voting for Chicago
Chicago is in the Old West. If you want to limit it to Region 6 then you have to eliminate more than Chicago and you need to do some adding.
All right, we did it! We have a full slate of pollsters w/ 10!
Looks we're all in agreement who the #1 team is, however almost half us selected a different #2. And 6 of us selected a different #3 (not sure if that was intentional or not).
Great stuff!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2021, 12:25:35 PM
Chicago is in the Old West. If you want to limit it to Region 6 then you have to eliminate more than Chicago and you need to do some adding.
At least for this year, we've decided to stick to the Old West (north region did the same). Then maybe get a fan poll for each of the new regions next year. If someone wants to step up and run one.
Quote from: WW on September 15, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:08:06 PM
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 83 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4)
3) UW-Oshkosh 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, -)
4) Bethel 67 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7)
5) Linfield 55 ( 2, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
6) Central 53 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) Chapman 32 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, -)
8) UW-LaCrosse 25 ( 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
9) Redlands 17 ( 6, 6, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
t10) Gustavus Adolphus 16 ( 5, 7, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
t10) Whitworth 16 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 11 ( 3,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Woops. Somebody gonna have to stop voting for Chicago
So, someone voted Wartburg higher than Gustavus Adolphus just days after GA beat them head to head? And at a lofty #3 no less?
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 15, 2021, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: WW on September 15, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:08:06 PM
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 83 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4)
3) UW-Oshkosh 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, -)
4) Bethel 67 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7)
5) Linfield 55 ( 2, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
6) Central 53 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) Chapman 32 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, -)
8) UW-LaCrosse 25 ( 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
9) Redlands 17 ( 6, 6, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -)
t10) Gustavus Adolphus 16 ( 5, 7, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
t10) Whitworth 16 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 11 ( 3,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Woops. Somebody gonna have to stop voting for Chicago
So, someone voted Wartburg higher than Gustavus Adolphus just days after GA beat them head to head? And at a lofty #3 no less?
Yeah I sent them a message. Just to see if an oversight occurred. If not, then I'm sure they have their reason.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2021, 12:25:35 PM
Chicago is in the Old West. If you want to limit it to Region 6 then you have to eliminate more than Chicago and you need to do some adding.
At least for this year, we've decided to stick to the Old West (north region did the same). Then maybe get a fan poll for each of the new regions next year. If someone wants to step up and run one.
Understood -- since I wasn't sure what WW was trying to get across, I covered both contingencies.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 15, 2021, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: WW on September 15, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
Woops. Somebody gonna have to stop voting for Chicago
So, someone voted Wartburg higher than Gustavus Adolphus just days after GA beat them head to head? And at a lofty #3 no less?
Yeah I sent them a message. Just to see if an oversight occurred. If not, then I'm sure they have their reason.
I'm hoping/assuming they are also the one who ranked GAC at #5. If not :o
Quote from: hazzben on September 15, 2021, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 15, 2021, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: WW on September 15, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
Woops. Somebody gonna have to stop voting for Chicago
So, someone voted Wartburg higher than Gustavus Adolphus just days after GA beat them head to head? And at a lofty #3 no less?
Yeah I sent them a message. Just to see if an oversight occurred. If not, then I'm sure they have their reason.
I'm hoping/assuming they are also the one who ranked GAC at #5. If not :o
Is Logan still around and contributing to the poll? Some combination of Wartburg homer and sticking to the ranking model.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 15, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2021, 12:25:35 PM
Chicago is in the Old West. If you want to limit it to Region 6 then you have to eliminate more than Chicago and you need to do some adding.
At least for this year, we've decided to stick to the Old West (north region did the same). Then maybe get a fan poll for each of the new regions next year. If someone wants to step up and run one.
Ah, misunderstood. I — I mean, "someone" — can keep voting for Chicago
****Revised*****
2021 Week 2 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 83
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 80
4) Bethel 4 67
5) Linfield 6 58
6) Central 7 51
7) Chapman 8 31
8) UW-LaCrosse 9 25
9) Redlands - 19
10) Gustavus Adolphus - 16
Dropped Out: Wartburg, Whitworth
RV) Whitworth (14), Wartburg (3), Cal Lutheran (2), Chicago (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 83 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4)
3) UW-Oshkosh 80 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) Bethel 67 ( 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7)
5) Linfield 58 ( 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7)
6) Central 51 ( 3, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) Chapman 31 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, -)
8) UW-LaCrosse 25 ( 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
9) Redlands 19 ( 6, 6, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Gustavus Adolphus 16 ( 5, 7, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 14 ( 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Straighten things out with one of our participants. Updated poll from Week 2 is reposted above.
Sorry for the confusion
All looks about right from my perspective.
So sorry to say , but, I see said the blind man.
Games of note, in this "region", coming up:
9/18:
Linfield @ Redlands
9/25:
Bethel @ SJU (battle of new scoreboard vs. new field)
10/2:
Wartburg @ Central
Gustavus @ Bethel
10/9:
Oshkosh @ La Crosse
Whitworth @ Linfield
10/16:
Whitewater @ Oshkosh
10/23:
SJU @ Gustavus
Chapman @ Redlands
10/30:
None
11/6:
La Crosse @ Oshkosh
11/13:
None
Oct 16 CLU @ Chapman and Nov 13 CLU @ Redlands. Depending on those games, CLU could be 7-2 or 9-0.
Linfield looked real strong Saturday!
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on September 16, 2021, 11:15:46 AM
All looks about right from my perspective.
Anyone that is putting this Linfield team in the 6-10 spots isn't paying that close of attention.
Top 5 team in the west in my book.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on September 20, 2021, 01:29:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
Top 5 team in the west in my book.
Agree
Barring a blowout result in BU v SJU on Saturday, I think we have a pretty clear Top 5 IMO.
UWW, SJU, BU, UWO, Linfield, in no particular order.
American Football Coaches Association Poll
Rank School (1st votes) Rec. Pts. Prev. Last Week Next Game
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Tex.) (26) 3-0 1142 – D. Southwestern (Tex.), 54-3 Sept. 25 vs. No. 6 Hardin-Simmons (Tex.)
2 Wisconsin-Whitewater (4) 3-0 1091 – D. Berry (Ga.), 39-7 Oct. 2 vs. Wisconsin-Stout
3 Mount Union (Ohio) (2) 2-0 1076 – D. Baldwin Wallace (Ohio), 31-7 Sept. 25 at No. 21 John Carroll (Ohio)
4 North Central (Ill.) (15) 2-0 1072 – D. Wheaton (Ill.), 20-7 Sept. 25 vs. Augustana (Ill.)
5 St. John's (Minn.) 2-0 916 – D. Martin Luther (Minn.), 55-7 Sept. 25 vs. No. 15 Bethel (Minn.)
6 Hardin-Simmons (Tex.) 3-0 890 – D. Belhaven (Miss.), 21-16 Sept. 25 at No. 1 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Tex.)
7 Wisconsin-Oshkosh 2-0 836 – Idle Oct. 2 at Wisconsin-Platteville
8 Delaware Valley (Pa.) 3-0 831 – D. Stevenson (Md.), 34-17 Oct. 2 at Lycoming (Pa.)
9 Linfield (Ore.) 2-0 772 – D. Redlands (Calif.), 51-10 Oct. 2 at Puget Sound (Wash.)
10 Wheaton (Ill.) 1-1 638 – Lost to North Central (Ill.), 20-7 Sept. 25 at North Park (Ill.)
11 Union (N.Y.) 3-0 594 – D. Springfield (Mass.), 30-23 Sept. 25 at Utica (N.Y.)
12 Washington & Jefferson (Pa.) 3-0 567 – D. Bethany (W.Va.), 28-3 Sept. 25 at Case Western Reserve (Ohio)
13 Central (Iowa) 3-0 557 – D. Nebraska Wesleyan, 37-7 Sept. 25 at Simpson (Iowa)
14 Johns Hopkins (Md.) 3-0 528 – D. Juniata (Pa.) Sept. 25 at Moravian (Pa.)
15 Bethel (Minn.) 2-0 409 – Idle Sept. 25 at No. 5 St. John's (Minn.)
16 Randolph-Macon (Va.) 3-0 398 – D. Bridgewater (Va.), 31-13 Sept. 25 vs. Washington & Lee (Va.)
17 Salisbury (Md.) 1-1 360 – Idle Sept. 25 vs. Western New England (Mass.)
18 Chapman (Calif.) 3-0 320 – D. George Fox (Ore.), 23-21 Sept. 25 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Calif.)
19 Ithaca (N.Y.) 3-0 318 – D. Alfred (N.Y.), 34-0 Oct. 2 vs. Hobart (N.Y.)
20 Wabash (Ind.) 3-0 243 – D. Allegheny (Pa.), 36-28 Oct. 2 at Denison (Ohio)
21 John Carroll (Ohio) 1-1 211 – D. Otterbein (Ohio), 41-17 Sept. 25 vs. No. 3 Mount Union (Ohio)
22 Wisconsin-La Crosse 2-1 188 – Lost to Grand Valley St. (Mich.), 45-24 Oct. 2 at Wisconsin-River Falls
23 Cortland (N.Y.) 3-0 183 – D. Buffalo St. (N.Y.), 58-9 Oct. 2 at Morrisville St. (N.Y.)
24 Heidelberg (Ohio) 2-0 176 – D. Capital (Ohio), 48-17 Sept. 25 at Baldwin Wallace (Ohio)
25 Muhlenberg (Pa.) 2-1 163 – Lost to Ursinus (Pa.), 42-35 Sept. 25 at McDaniel (Md.)
Others Receiving Votes: Whitworth (Wash.), 143; Albion (Mich.), 113; Hobart (N.Y.), 94; Susquehanna (Pa.), 56; Trinity (Tex.), 44; Berry (Ga.), 40; Rensselaer (N.Y.), 38; Gustavus Adolphus (Minn.), 32; East Texas Baptist, 25; Wartburg (Iowa), 21; Brockport (N.Y.), 20; Westminster (Pa.), 20; Coe (Iowa), 18; Widener (Pa.), 18; Wittenberg (Ohio), 17; Baldwin-Wallace (Ohio), 15; Centre (Ky.), 15; Wisconsin-Stout, 14; Birmingham Southern (Ala.), 11; Bridgewater (Va.), 10; Chicago (Ill.), 5; Ohio Northern, 5; Case Western Reserve (Ohio), 4; Redlands (Calif.), 4; Springfield (Mass.), 4; Washington (Mo.), 4; California Lutheran, 3; Aurora (Ill.), 2; Ursinus (Pa.), 1.
Puzzling one this one is.
D3football.com Top 25, 2021 Week 3
Through games of Sept. 18, 2021:
Previous year's Top 25 polls
Rank School (No. 1 votes) W-L Points Prev.
1 North Central (Ill.) (12) 2-0 596 4
2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (10) 3-0 595 1
3 UW-Whitewater (1) 3-0 580 2
4 Mount Union (2) 2-0 571 3
5 Wheaton (Ill.) 1-1 484 5
6 St. John's 2-0 478 7
7 Hardin-Simmons 3-0 435 6
8 UW-Oshkosh 2-0 423 9
9 Linfield 2-0 414 11
10 Delaware Valley 3-0 410 10
11 Washington and Jefferson 3-0 342 12
12 Union 3-0 292 13
13 Bethel 2-0 283 15
14 Central 3-0 280 16
15 Salisbury 1-1 267 14
16 Randolph-Macon 3-0 237 18
17 Chapman 3-0 201 17
18 Johns Hopkins 3-0 195 21
19 Ithaca 3-0 189 19
20 Whitworth 3-0 122 23
21 John Carroll 1-1 118 20
22 Heidelberg 2-0 102 22
23 UW-La Crosse 2-1 81 24
24 Muhlenberg 2-1 78 8
25 Cortland 3-0 61 --
Dropped out: No. 25 Berry.
Others receiving votes: Hobart 47, Berry 34, Westminster (Pa.) 33, Gustavus Adolphus 30, Susquehanna 20, Aurora 17, Birmingham-Southern 16, Wabash 14, Wartburg 13, Centre 12, Bridgewater (Va.) 10, Baldwin Wallace 9, Ursinus 9, UW-Stout 7, Trinity (Texas) 7, Case Western Reserve 6, RPI 4, Widener 2, UW-River Falls 1.
The D3football.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly. Points are awarded on a 25-24-23-22
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on September 20, 2021, 01:29:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 20, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
Top 5 team in the west in my book.
Agree
Very impressive win Saturday, they moved up in my rankings for sure. I don't have them in my top 5, yet. Bethel / SJU this Saturday will help define the region a bit more. Still a lot of football to be played, excited to watch closely.
2021 Week 3 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 82
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 78
4) Linfield 5 67
5) Bethel 4 65
6) Central 6 46
t7) Chapman 7 28
t7) UW-LaCrosse 8 28
9) Gustavus Adolphus 10 25
10) Whitworth - 20
Dropped Out: Redlands
RV) Wartburg (5), UW-Stout (2), Chicago (2), Cal Lutheran (1), Redlands (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 22, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
2021 Week 3 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 82
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 78
4) Linfield 5 67
5) Bethel 4 65
6) Central 6 46
t7) Chapman 7 28
t7) UW-LaCrosse 8 28
9) Gustavus Adolphus 10 25
10) Whitworth - 20
Dropped Out: Redlands
RV) Wartburg (5), UW-Stout (2), Chicago (2), Cal Lutheran (1), Redlands (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
This seems about right in my opinion. Thanks for putting this together.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 82 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5)
3) UW-Oshkosh 78 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Linfield 67 ( 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
5) Bethel 65 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) Central 46 ( 3, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, -)
t7) Chapman 28 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
t7) UW-LaCrosse 28 ( 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 25 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) Whitworth 20 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
The 3rd spot is pretty wild, 6 of the 10 voters had a different school listed there.
UWL seems to be all over the board, along with Central to some degree. We'll probably get some clarity on those teams in the upcoming weeks.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 22, 2021, 12:26:32 PM
The 3rd spot is pretty wild, 6 of the 10 voters had a different school listed there.
UWL seems to be all over the board, along with Central to some degree. We'll probably get some clarity on those teams in the upcoming weeks.
Poll is in lockstep with the national poll through 7. 8-10 have the same teams, just different order.
Still waiting on 3 more entries. Hoping to post the results this afternoon.
2021 Week 4 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 87
3) UW-Oshkosh 3 78
4) Linfield 4 71
5) Bethel 5 53
6) Central 6 47
7) Gustavus Adolphus 9 31
8) UW-LaCrosse 7 30
9) Whitworth 10 29
10) Wartburg - 10
Dropped Out: Chapman
RV) UW-Stout (6), Chapman (3), Chicago (2), CMS (2), Cal Lutheran (1)
Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 87 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 78 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Linfield 71 ( 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) Bethel 53 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
6) Central 47 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, -)
7) Gustavus Adolphus 31 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, -)
8) UW-LaCrosse 30 ( 3, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -)
9) Whitworth 29 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10)
10) Wartburg 10 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 6 ( 7,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Looks like the committee recognized the quality loss by Bethel. Despite of the loss, they remained steady in the 5th spot, but did drop in points (which was expected).
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 29, 2021, 06:24:08 PM
Looks like the committee recognized the quality loss by Bethel. Despite of the loss, they remained steady in the 5th spot, but did drop in points (which was expected).
Bethel's got a big one Saturday when Gustavus Adolphus visits. Lots of ball to be played but it feels like an elimination game to remain Pool C relevant. Also got an eye on the Johnnies at Concordia Moorhead. Cobbers usually finish 5-5ish but they always feel like the best 5-5 team in the country to me. They'll put up a fight.
Stout at UWW. I haven't voted for the Blue Devils yet but I like 'em. A competitive loss might get them my vote.
Also of note Saturday is Wartburg at Central. For all the marbles in the ARC.
Quote from: WW on September 30, 2021, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 29, 2021, 06:24:08 PM
Looks like the committee recognized the quality loss by Bethel. Despite of the loss, they remained steady in the 5th spot, but did drop in points (which was expected).
Bethel's got a big one Saturday when Gustavus Adolphus visits. Lots of ball to be played but it feels like an elimination game to remain Pool C relevant.
The weird thing about the MIAC's divisions, is that Bethel could lose to GAC, beat the cobbers to win the SKyline division, and then win the week 10 game to grab the MIAC's Pool A bid. Very strange scenario. In a normal year, a loss to GAC would be playoff/Pool C death, but it's a brave new world in the Post-UST MIAC.
Quote from: WW on September 30, 2021, 10:48:35 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 29, 2021, 06:24:08 PM
Looks like the committee recognized the quality loss by Bethel. Despite of the loss, they remained steady in the 5th spot, but did drop in points (which was expected).
Bethel's got a big one Saturday when Gustavus Adolphus visits. Lots of ball to be played but it feels like an elimination game to remain Pool C relevant. Also got an eye on the Johnnies at Concordia Moorhead. Cobbers usually finish 5-5ish but they always feel like the best 5-5 team in the country to me. They'll put up a fight.
Stout at UWW. I haven't voted for the Blue Devils yet but I like 'em. A competitive loss might get them my vote.
Also of note Saturday is Wartburg at Central. For all the marbles in the ARC.
I am high on Central this year. Haven't faced the toughest schedule yet, but they look a little different this year, to me. Building off their solid 2019, they looked to be dialed in on both sides of the ball. Wartburg is always tough and physical, but The Dutch are at home this week. I'm feeling a 33-27 type of game.
2021 Week 5 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 84
3) Linfield 4 72
4) UW-Oshkosh 3 71
5) Bethel 5 61
6) Central 6 50
7) UW-LaCrosse 8 40
8) Whitworth 9 35
9) Gustavus Adolphus 7 14
10) UW-Stout - 9
Dropped Out: Wartburg
RV) Chapman (6), Cal Lutheran (4), Redlands (2), Chicago (2)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 84 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6)
3) Linfield 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
4) UW-Oshkosh 71 ( 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) Bethel 61 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 8)
6) Central 50 ( 3, 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9)
7) UW-LaCrosse 40 ( 3, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) Whitworth 35 ( 4, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,10)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 14 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -)
10) UW-Stout 9 ( 7, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 6 ( 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Interesting Observations
- Despite a 31-point loss to UWW, Stout gains 3 points and sneaks into the top 10. Quality loss no matter the outcome?
- On the flip side Gustavus loses to Bethel by 25, losing 17 points in the poll and drops two spots to 9th.
- UWO wins again, but looks like the committee is taking notice of their close games to unranked teams. They dropped 7 points and fall to 4th.
- Wartburg a big loss to a strong Central team drops them out of the poll...receiving no votes at all.
Good stuff!!
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 06, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 84 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6)
3) Linfield 72 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
4) UW-Oshkosh 71 ( 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) Bethel 61 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 8)
6) Central 50 ( 3, 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9)
7) UW-LaCrosse 40 ( 3, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) Whitworth 35 ( 4, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,10)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 14 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -)
10) UW-Stout 9 ( 7, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 6 ( 9, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
These results look pretty solid to me. Pretty divergent opinions on La Crosse. If I were voting, I think I'd keep the same 10 with some shuffling.
UWW
St. John's
Linfield
UW-0
Bethel
UW-L
Central
Whitworth
UW-Stout
GA
We find out a lot more about UWO and UWL shortly. I'm also interested to see how UWP does down the stretch in the WIAC, given the Bethel result.
If CLU beats Pomona-Pitzer this Saturday, they will face Chapman for what will likely be for the SCIAC title the following week. If they are 6-0, maybe then, they will get more respect in polls. I understand that they have played some weaker competition, thus far. CLU 4-0 for the first time since 2006.
I have CLU on my radar...had them at #10 this week.
Good start to their season
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 06, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
If CLU beats Pomona-Pitzer this Saturday, they will face Chapman for what will likely be for the SCIAC title the following week. If they are 6-0, maybe then, they will get more respect in polls. I understand that they have played some weaker competition, thus far. CLU 4-0 for the first time since 2006.
I wouldn't overlook the October 23rd Chapman@Redlands as most likely game at this point to decide SCIAC.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 06, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
Interesting Observations
- Despite a 31-point loss to UWW, Stout gains 3 points and sneaks into the top 10. Quality loss no matter the outcome?
- On the flip side Gustavus loses to Bethel by 25, losing 17 points in the poll and drops two spots to 9th.
- UWO wins again, but looks like the committee is taking notice of their close games to unranked teams. They dropped 7 points and fall to 4th.
- Wartburg a big loss to a strong Central team drops them out of the poll...receiving no votes at all.
Good stuff!!
Was looking forward to this week's poll, given that we've seen a few more games now.
- Stout put up some solid offensive numbers against UWW, but hard to say how much of that was UWW dialing back on D, given they were up pretty handily. I moved Stout to #10 in my poll given their resume so far. We'll find out pretty quickly where they stand
- Gustavus had nothing for Bethel and if their QB is out, they're a different team. I thought this game would be closer; they went from #7 to out of my top 10. Headed towards SJU and Bethel for MIAC champ.
- I have UWO at #2 still, but have taken notice of their close games. Every year there's always a close conference game for a top WIAC team, so willing to look past just one game. We're gonna know exactly where UWO stands after these next two weeks.
- Wartburg doesn't have it this year. But this is more about Central....I'm still quite high on them, and #3, and a little surprised they didn't gain more votes with their win.
Debated a bunch on my 10th team this week. Just couldn't pull the trigger on Chap/Red, or Gustavus. So dug deep and put Cal Luth in at #10.
Looking forward to the huge tilt in the NWC this week, with Whitworth at Linfield. I'm not as high on Linfield as the rest of this group and not ready with a prediction yet on the game, but can't wait.
Quote from: hazzben on October 06, 2021, 12:18:15 PM
We find out a lot more about UWO and UWL shortly. I'm also interested to see how UWP does down the stretch in the WIAC, given the Bethel result.
UWP was hit pretty bad with COVID for the first two games of the year, hence their early season struggles against ETB and Bethel (however I think bethel would have beat them healthy or not). Week 3 they started to get healthy and had a bounce back win against Franklin then played UWO close. They should be more competitive now.
I just wonder who the moron who has SJU at #6 is.
I won't name names, but rather have him explain himself if he chooses. His ballot, his opinion.
But I will say he had SJU ranked 3rd the previous week.
Quote from: retagent on October 07, 2021, 08:20:49 AM
I just wonder who the moron who has SJU at #6 is.
That "moron " is me, :-*. Just a little early payback for not voting for Sam . ;D Or maybe just too much og kush 8-)
Who's Sam? og kush?
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 07, 2021, 09:32:45 AM
Who's Sam? og kush?
Is it that cold up there already?
Sam = AA , does that help?
OG good stuff. :o
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 07, 2021, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 07, 2021, 09:32:45 AM
Who's Sam? og kush?
Is it that cold up there already?
Sam = AA , does that help?
OG good stuff. :o
Need more than that.
In retaliation I'm not ranking Linfield next week ;)
Yeah, I'm at a loss.
Yes, this is all just for fun....but lets keep some integrity in this poll please, and not use it as a platform for "payback".
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 06, 2021, 02:22:50 PM
I have CLU on my radar...had them at #10 this week.
Good start to their season
A bit surprised (or maybe not) that I'm the only pollster on the Chicago bandwagon. AFCA has them where I do. If they get by Monmouth Saturday, you're likely looking at a 10-0 team with about a 500-100 scoring margin by mid-November. Granted, quality wins are few in there, but numbers are pretty gaudy so far.
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on October 07, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 07, 2021, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 07, 2021, 09:32:45 AM
Who's Sam? og kush?
Is it that cold up there already?
Sam = AA , does that help?
OG good stuff. :o
Need more than that.
In retaliation I'm not ranking Linfield next week ;)
You are not the first my friend. The cats have to first get by another RAT. :-*
How about an unknown D player and bells?
2021 Week 6 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 86
3) Linfield 3 80
4) Bethel 5 63
5) UW-LaCrosse 7 61
6) Central 6 60
7) UW-Oshkosh 4 38
8) Whitworth 8 18
9) Gustavus Adolphus 9 15
10) Chapman - 7
Dropped Out: UW-Stout
RV) Cal Lutheran (6), UW-Stout (6), Redlands (5), Pacific (4), Wartburg (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 86 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) Linfield 80 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) Bethel 63 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
5) UW-LaCrosse 61 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6) Central 60 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) UW-Oshkosh 38 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Whitworth 18 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 15 ( 7, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
10) Chapman 7 ( 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 6 ( 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Wartburg 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
With conference play underway, as West teams are squaring off against each other, it looks like the voting is becoming less erratic and more uniform. For the first time all year we all agree the top 7 teams in the poll all belong in the top 10 (top 8 actually for that matter this week).
Also, that 10th spot seems to be a coin flip between numerous teams. As seven different teams were listed in the 10th spot.
(latest poll on previous page)
Huge game in SCIAC between CLU and Chapman. Winner likely wins SCIAC, although Redlands might argue. If CLU beat Chapman Saturday night, they will likely be undefeated going into the last conference game against Redlands, which should also be a HUGE game.
2021 Week 7 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 1 100
2) St. John's 2 86
3) Linfield 3 81
4) Central 6 65
5) Bethel 4 62
6) UW-LaCrosse 5 54
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 37
8) Whitworth 8 17
9) UW-Stout - 12
10) Chapman 10 11
Dropped Out: Gustavus Adolphus
RV) Gustavus Adpolphus (10), Redlands (9), UW-Platteville (2), Dubuque (2), UW-River Falls (1), George Fox (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScott and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 86 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) Linfield 81 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Central 65 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5) Bethel 62 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-LaCrosse 54 ( 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
7) UW-Oshkosh 37 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
8) Whitworth 17 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8,10, -, -, -, -)
9) UW-Stout 12 ( 8, 8, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Chapman 11 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 10 ( 6, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 9 ( 7, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Dubuque 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-River Falls 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Finally the stars align.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 20, 2021, 10:24:24 PM
Finally the stars align.
Curious what you're looking at?
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 21, 2021, 08:08:10 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on October 20, 2021, 10:24:24 PM
Finally the stars align.
Curious what you're looking at?
We've been wondering that about DOC for years.... ;D
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 20, 2021, 09:13:48 PM
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) St. John's 86 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) Linfield 81 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
I'm good with this...for now...
I'm curious on the reasoning someone had to put both Central and, most likely, Bethel ahead of St John's who they put fifth. Whoever it is, I sure hope we meet Central in the post-season... ;)
FWIW - as a pollster, it is my opinion that positions 1 and 2 are pretty much locked up unless either team is upset.
The last 3 are a draw at this point, partly because of the same reasoning for the middle five - that there are not many reference points where two teams have played a third team so you can try to "stack them up" against one another. There are a few, but the West Coast teams have fewer, if any, with the rest of the teams. I've been hesitant to put much confidence in Linfield because of the lack of cross-play. Historically, they have been a good team - but I am probably not alone in the desire to see more early season long road trips. Sigh. (I'm pretty sure that the coaching staffs of any teams do not value any input I might have on this poll.) ;D
Opinions poll gazing maybe.
A Division II school not equal to early season road trip?
Sure, I'd have liked to play Central or Bethel away first game.
Schedules not set by fans.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 21, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
I'm curious on the reasoning someone had to put both Central and, most likely, Bethel ahead of St John's who they put fifth. Whoever it is, I sure hope we meet Central in the post-season... ;)
Yeah ... about that. Maybe it's bias giving the last decade plus of MIAC v. IIAC postseason results. But the class of the MIAC has been better than the class of the IIAC for quite a while. I think Central is a good team. But there's nothing to suggest they're better than SJU, or even Bethel for that matter.
I'm happy to say that no one had Bethel ahead of St. John's.... So everyone recognized the H2H result. However, as you saw by the above results, yes someone has SJU 5th (with Bethel 6th).
I'll let him go into detail on his reasoning. I think he even touched on it last week in this thread. All though his intentions were kind of murky.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on October 21, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
I'm curious on the reasoning someone had to put both Central and, most likely, Bethel ahead of St John's who they put fifth. Whoever it is, I sure hope we meet Central in the post-season... ;)
I am not a voter, but my guess is that they put UW-L and Central ahead of St. John's, not Bethel.
Baldini for the win ;)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 22, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
I'm happy to say that no one had Bethel ahead of St. John's.... So everyone recognized the H2H result. However, as you saw by the above results, yes someone has SJU 5th (with Bethel 6th).
I'll let him go into detail on his reasoning. I think he even touched on it last week in this thread. All though his intentions were kind of murky.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
100% ... It's what makes the fan poll fun.
As an outsider, my questions are common opponents, who did you beat, who did you lose to.
Central + SJU- Common Opponents: Central beat St. Olaf on the road 46-27. Central with almost 600 yds of offense, but also gave up almost 400 yds of offense. SJU beat St. Olaf at home 56-0. Total dismantling with subs playing most of the second half.
- Who did you beat: Central beat Wartburg 49-24. SJU beat Bethel 31-25 and Aurora 39-33. SJU plays GAC Saturday, who beat Wartburg earlier this year.
IMO SJU looks better than Central in about every category. They could have scored 80+ on St. Olaf if they hadn't shut things down after the subs scored in the 3rd Quarter. Central looks like a very good team, but they have no marquee wins (albeit out of their control). But the result against a bad St. Olaf team and a down Wartburg team didn't move the needle (for me).
The other component that's interesting is the UWL, UWO, UWS, and even UWP. UWP's record looks terrible, but outside high margin losses to Bethel and UWW, they've lost crazy close games to some good teams (ETBU by 6, UWO by 3, UWL by 1 ... and we all know the story there). UWL seems to be living off their rep from a closer than expected 21 pt loss to D2 GVSU. The UWL v UWS game is interesting, but I actually think the second tier of the WIAC is down a bit this year.
Yeah the GVSU loss and knocking off UWO (typically a top 10 team) was huge for UWL. They're getting a lot of love in the polls for it.
WIAC, from top to bottom, is pretty much where they usually are. Always have a very good nonconference record (no exception this year) with the middle and low tier teams beating up on each other. Over half the conference is getting top 25 votes right now. UWP and UWO seem to be a little down this year, however Stout and UWRF seem to be a little better than usual. If the middle is a little down, then the bottom is little up. UWRF - usually a bottom feeder - is getting votes in the top 25, which is crazy. For the first time in over 20 years they've guaranteed themselves at least a .500 record.
Still lots of football to be played though, lots of things can still happen.
Quote from: hazzben on October 22, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 22, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
I'm happy to say that no one had Bethel ahead of St. John's.... So everyone recognized the H2H result. However, as you saw by the above results, yes someone has SJU 5th (with Bethel 6th).
I'll let him go into detail on his reasoning. I think he even touched on it last week in this thread. All though his intentions were kind of murky.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
100% ... It's what makes the fan poll fun.
As an outsider, my questions are common opponents, who did you beat, who did you lose to.
Central + SJU
- Common Opponents: Central beat St. Olaf on the road 46-27. Central with almost 600 yds of offense, but also gave up almost 400 yds of offense. SJU beat St. Olaf at home 56-0. Total dismantling with subs playing most of the second half.
- Who did you beat: Central beat Wartburg 49-24. SJU beat Bethel 31-25 and Aurora 39-33. SJU plays GAC Saturday, who beat Wartburg earlier this year.
IMO SJU looks better than Central in about every category. They could have scored 80+ on St. Olaf if they hadn't shut things down after the subs scored in the 3rd Quarter. Central looks like a very good team, but they have no marquee wins (albeit out of their control). But the result against a bad St. Olaf team and a down Wartburg team didn't move the needle (for me).
The other component that's interesting is the UWL, UWO, UWS, and even UWP. UWP's record looks terrible, but outside high margin losses to Bethel and UWW, they've lost crazy close games to some good teams (ETBU by 6, UWO by 3, UWL by 1 ... and we all know the story there). UWL seems to be living off their rep from a closer than expected 21 pt loss to D2 GVSU. The UWL v UWS game is interesting, but I actually think the second tier of the WIAC is down a bit this year.
Central gives up a lot of yards and points at the end of the games when the subs are in. We are averse to running up the score and starters play little after halftime. I really wish the starters had to play longer. They are only having to put forth a half of effort. That will hurt later in the year.
Quote from: Schipper Strong on October 24, 2021, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: hazzben on October 22, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 22, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
I'm happy to say that no one had Bethel ahead of St. John's.... So everyone recognized the H2H result. However, as you saw by the above results, yes someone has SJU 5th (with Bethel 6th).
I'll let him go into detail on his reasoning. I think he even touched on it last week in this thread. All though his intentions were kind of murky.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
100% ... It's what makes the fan poll fun.
As an outsider, my questions are common opponents, who did you beat, who did you lose to.
Central + SJU
- Common Opponents: Central beat St. Olaf on the road 46-27. Central with almost 600 yds of offense, but also gave up almost 400 yds of offense. SJU beat St. Olaf at home 56-0. Total dismantling with subs playing most of the second half.
- Who did you beat: Central beat Wartburg 49-24. SJU beat Bethel 31-25 and Aurora 39-33. SJU plays GAC Saturday, who beat Wartburg earlier this year.
IMO SJU looks better than Central in about every category. They could have scored 80+ on St. Olaf if they hadn't shut things down after the subs scored in the 3rd Quarter. Central looks like a very good team, but they have no marquee wins (albeit out of their control). But the result against a bad St. Olaf team and a down Wartburg team didn't move the needle (for me).
The other component that's interesting is the UWL, UWO, UWS, and even UWP. UWP's record looks terrible, but outside high margin losses to Bethel and UWW, they've lost crazy close games to some good teams (ETBU by 6, UWO by 3, UWL by 1 ... and we all know the story there). UWL seems to be living off their rep from a closer than expected 21 pt loss to D2 GVSU. The UWL v UWS game is interesting, but I actually think the second tier of the WIAC is down a bit this year.
Central gives up a lot of yards and points at the end of the games when the subs are in. We are averse to running up the score and starters play little after halftime. I really wish the starters had to play longer. They are only having to put forth a half of effort. That will hurt later in the year.
You just described most of the top 10 teams for the majority of their season.
Still waiting for two more entries. I'll post results tomorrow morning regardless.
2021 Week 8 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 79
2) St. John's (1) 2 69
3) Linfield 3 66
4) Central 4 53
5) Bethel 5 50
6) UW-LaCrosse 6 42
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 30
8) Whitworth 8 19
9) Redlands - 17
10) UW-Stout 9 6
Dropped Out: Chapman
RV) UW-River Falls (4), Gustavus Adpolphus (2), CMS (2), UW-Platteville (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1 and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 79 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) St. John's (1) 69 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) Linfield 66 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Central 53 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
5) Bethel 50 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-LaCrosse 42 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) UW-Oshkosh 30 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8) Whitworth 19 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10)
9) Redlands 17 ( 6, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
10) UW-Stout 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-River Falls 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) CMS 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
If the votes seem low it's because we were down a couple of people this week...had to make do.
Good to see here in late October we now have more data points for NWC and SCIAC. I will admit that I think I have underrated Whitworth to this point.
2021 Week 9 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 98
2) St. John's (1) 2 87
3) Linfield (1) 3 82
4) Central 4 67
5) Bethel 5 61
6) UW-LaCrosse 6 55
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 37
8) Whitworth 8 27
9) Redlands 9 20
10) UW-River Falls - 7
Dropped Out: UW-Stout
RV) UW-Stout (5), Lake Forest (2), Gustavus Adpolphus (1), Chapman (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScot and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 98 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) St. John's (1) 87 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3) Linfield (1) 82 ( 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Central 67 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6)
5) Bethel 61 ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6) UW-LaCrosse 55 ( 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7) UW-Oshkosh 37 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8)
8) Whitworth 27 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10)
9) Redlands 20 ( 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) UW-River Falls 7 ( 9,10,10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 5 ( 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Not much movement this week. I think almost half the pool (including myself) submitted the same top 10 as last week.
Only thing worth noting is for the second week in a row UWW lost a #1 vote.
Let's see. The AFCA and D3.com both rank SJU at #5 in the country. Yet somebody. who shall go unnamed, thinks they are only #5 in the Region. C'mon Man!!
Quote from: retagent on November 03, 2021, 10:07:00 PM
Let's see. The AFCA and D3.com both rank SJU at #5 in the country. Yet somebody. who shall go unnamed, thinks they are only #5 in the Region. C'mon Man!!
Yeah, that's a pretty brutal take (insert note about everyone being entitled to their wrong opinions 8-))
I think the Johnnies put up over 80 points with the back up QB starting
Can anybody explain what the NCAA is doing with this six region idea? 48 regional teams, but 32 playoff teams?
What is the point of six regions? Are the playoff teams determined regardless of six regional rankings?
George
Linfield fan
Quote from: George Thompson on November 04, 2021, 04:37:55 PM
Can anybody explain what the NCAA is doing with this six region idea? 48 regional teams, but 32 playoff teams?
What is the point of six regions? Are the playoff teams determined regardless of six regional rankings?
George
Linfield fan
In short, increase the number of east and north teams with access to the playoffs. This was farcically obvious when the West was stacked with ASC and carried 25% more teams than any other region. With the "only the top team can be considered at any time" method along with a decrease in the number of regionally ranked teams as well as the resulting difficulty in playing RR opponents, it guaranteed the west would never get three pool c bids and would find getting two difficult. That was it. Open the east and north to the payoffs.
Moving the asc out, though, pretty much addresses that fudge and I expect the playoffs to be almost exactly like they have always been.
The issue that the NCAA faces with D3 is that there are five or six programs which are championship geared organisations. The investment, coaching, recruiting, etc needed to consistently create championship caliber squads. There are another seven or eight programs who are in the “in a special year we can do it all” category. And then there’s daylight to everyone else. Pool c always goes to those 14 or 15 programs, the ones that missed their AQ, and a couple national champs have come out of there.
The gap between the wants and the want nots is big and getting bigger. It sparked a mighty kerfuffle in the MIAC and I would be surprised if that same kerfuffle doesn’t raise it head again on a national level.
EDIT: Of course, making it even more difficult, about 65% (from my guess) of those teams are in the West or Texas. And the others are midwestern. Geographically the programs committed to high performance all are near each other, which puts a natural imbalance into any geography-based clustering.
It seems to me that the polls tend to favor East coast teams? Perhaps I am wrong.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 04, 2021, 05:22:33 PM
The issue that the NCAA faces with D3 is that there are five or six programs which are championship geared organisations. The investment, coaching, recruiting, etc needed to consistently create championship caliber squads. There are another seven or eight programs who are in the "in a special year we can do it all" category. And then there's daylight to everyone else. Pool c always goes to those 14 or 15 programs, the ones that missed their AQ, and a couple national champs have come out of there.
The gap between the wants and the want nots is big and getting bigger. It sparked a mighty kerfuffle in the MIAC and I would be surprised if that same kerfuffle doesn't raise it head again on a national level.
EDIT: Of course, making it even more difficult, about 65% (from my guess) of those teams are in the West or Texas. And the others are midwestern. Geographically the programs committed to high performance all are near each other, which puts a natural imbalance into any geography-based clustering.
Ice Bear likes this explanation...and the use of the "kerfuffle" even more.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 04, 2021, 07:00:57 PM
It seems to me that the polls tend to favor East coast teams? Perhaps I am wrong.
Considering most of d3 football programs are located out East, I would think a large chunk of the voters are from out there as well.I having nothing to back that up, it just seems likely.
However, I think the D3 top 25 has been pretty fair for the most part.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 04, 2021, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: George Thompson on November 04, 2021, 04:37:55 PM
Can anybody explain what the NCAA is doing with this six region idea? 48 regional teams, but 32 playoff teams?
What is the point of six regions? Are the playoff teams determined regardless of six regional rankings?
George
Linfield fan
In short, increase the number of east and north teams with access to the playoffs. This was farcically obvious when the West was stacked with ASC and carried 25% more teams than any other region. With the "only the top team can be considered at any time" method along with a decrease in the number of regionally ranked teams as well as the resulting difficulty in playing RR opponents, it guaranteed the west would never get three pool c bids and would find getting two difficult. That was it. Open the east and north to the payoffs.
Moving the asc out, though, pretty much addresses that fudge and I expect the playoffs to be almost exactly like they have always been.
Thanks, OzJohnnie. Your conclusion is what I have been thinking.
We should have four regions, each with about the same number of teams. And the strong and weak teams should be distributed among the four. The West is always loaded.
Why should we always have to beat each other to reach the semi-finals? GT
2021 Week 10 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 98
2) St. John's (1) 2 88
3) Linfield (1) 3 82
4) UW-LaCrosse 6 62
5) Central 4 61
6) Bethel 5 59
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 36
8) Redlands 9 24
9) UW-River Falls 10 22
t10) Gustavus Adolphus - 5
t10) CMS - 5
Dropped Out: Whitworth
RV) Whitworth (2), Pacific (2), Lake Forest (2), UW-Stout (1), Chicago (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, Retired Old Rat, Dr. Doolittle, desertcat1, colinsteinke, TwoArmedScot and wartknight.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 98 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) St. John's (1) 88 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4)
3) Linfield (1) 82 ( 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) UW-LaCrosse 62 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
5) Central 61 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
6) Bethel 59 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
7) UW-Oshkosh 36 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9, 9)
8) Redlands 24 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, -)
9) UW-River Falls 22 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -)
t10) Gustavus Adolphus 5 ( 8,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
t10) CMS 5 ( 8,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Lake Forest 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chicago 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Initial reaction: Looks like the panel recognized the close-game quality loss UWL had at UWW. Despite of the loss, the Eagles gained 7 points and moved up two spots in the poll. However, the margin is very slim....as the 4-6 spots are separated by just 3 points.
Looking to release one more poll for the year. Waiting on a few more entries.
I think starting next year, I'll transition this to just a Region 6 poll (rather than the West poll). Then if others want to run another region fan poll, they can go right ahead.
Islandish . . . INDEED! Harumph!
Got a late start this year. Let me know if anyone is interested in joining. I'll probably transition to a Region 6 poll this year (since the West Region is technically obsolete).
Thanks
Two spots available if anyone wants in!
Thanks
I'm in
One spot open, still....
May I join?
Quote from: smedindy on September 06, 2022, 03:09:02 PM
May I join?
Sure thing! Can you get me the Week 1 poll by tomorrow?
Region 6 teams only
Looks like we have 10 participating this year, which is great!! I'm just waiting on a couple people to send me an updated list. I'll try and post the Week 1 results later today.
Thanks
2022 Week 1 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (10) - 100
2) UW-Whitewater - 82
3) Linfield - 78
4) Bethel - 70
5) UW-LaCrosse - 65
6) UW-River Falls - 47
7) UW-Oshkosh - 45
8) Gustavus Adolphus - 16
t9) UW-Stout - 14
t9) CMS - 14
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) George Fox (11), Redlands (3), Chapman (3), UW-Platteville (1), Concordia-Moorhead (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) St. John's (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Whitewater 82 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
3) Linfield 78 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 6)
4) Bethel 70 ( 2, 2, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
5) UW-LaCrosse 65 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) UW-River Falls 47 ( 3, 4, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7,10)
7) UW-Oshkosh 45 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7)
8) Gustavus Adolphus 16 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -)
t9) UW-Stout 14 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
t9) CMS 14 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 11 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Seems like a poll!
2022 Week 2 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (10) 1 100
2) UW-Whitewater 2 88
3) Linfield 3 80
4) UW-LaCrosse 5 62
5) UW-River Falls 6 52
6) UW-Oshkosh 7 49
7) Bethel 4 30
8) UW-Platteville - 26
9) Gustavus Adolphus 8 21
10) CMS t9 18
Dropped Out: UW-Stout
RV) George Fox (15), Chapman (4), Whitworth (4), UW-Stout (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) St. John's (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Whitewater 88 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) Linfield 80 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) UW-LaCrosse 62 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, -)
5) UW-River Falls 52 ( 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, -)
6) UW-Oshkosh 49 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9)
7) Bethel 30 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10)
8) UW-Platteville 26 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, -, -, -)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 21 ( 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) CMS 18 ( 5, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 15 ( 6, 7, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 14, 2022, 11:49:20 AM
1) St. John's (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Whitewater 88 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) Linfield 80 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) UW-LaCrosse 62 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, -)
5) UW-River Falls 52 ( 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, -)
6) UW-Oshkosh 49 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9)
7) Bethel 30 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10)
8) UW-Platteville 26 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, -, -, -)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 21 ( 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10, -, -)
10) CMS 18 ( 5, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 15 ( 6, 7, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 4 ( 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 4 ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ice Bear says that is an impressive list of ****ing teams right there. :o
Yeah, the WIAC is going be be wild this year. I think they'll probably play themselves out of a Pool C bid. Conference winner might even have at least one loss.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 14, 2022, 07:58:49 PM
Yeah, the WIAC is going be be wild this year. I think they'll probably play themselves out of a Pool C bid. Conference winner might even have at least one loss.
Battle hardened champion come play off time
Waiting on a couple more polls. Hoping to post Week 3 results later today or tomorrow morning.
2022 Week 3 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (10) 1 100
2) UW-Whitewater 2 88
3) Linfield 3 74
4) UW-LaCrosse 4 68
5) UW-River Falls 5 59
6) UW-Oshkosh 6 52
7) Bethel 7 32
8) George Fox - 28
9) UW-Platteville 8 17
10) Whitworth - 11
Dropped Out: Gustavus Adolphus, CMS
RV) UW-Stout (8), Concordia-Moorhead (4), Augsburg (3), Cal Lutheran (2), Carleton (1), Redlands (1), Gustavus Adolphus (1), Chapman (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) St. John's (10) 100 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) UW-Whitewater 88 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 4)
3) Linfield 74 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6)
4) UW-LaCrosse 68 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6, 7)
5) UW-River Falls 59 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 52 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) Bethel 32 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, -, -)
8) George Fox 28 ( 3, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9,10, -)
9) UW-Platteville 17 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8,10, -, -, -, -)
10) Whitworth 11 ( 5, 8,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 8 ( 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Concordia-Moorhead 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Augsburg 3 ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Cal Lutheran 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carleton 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Lots of votes to go around this week. Don't recall having this many RVs before.
Questions about about:
Where to put Stout or Platteville? Are 5 WIAC teams in the Top 10 too many?
We think Bethel is the second best MIAC team. Are they? Is the third best MIAC teaam worthy of votes?
Is Whitworth better than they looked against Carnegie Mellon? (Signs point to yes, perhaps)?
Is there anyone in the SCIAC worth voting for?
Surprised to see several SCIAC teams on RV. I am Cal Lu homer and did not vote them in? Redlands is 0-3? I would put Pamona-Pitzer and CMS ahead of Redlands and Chapman.
Yeah, there were some questionable selections. To each their own though.
Like I said in the past, I'll never call people out. But if they want to post their picks here - and explain their reasoning - then they are more than welcome to.
Wow. The next poll is going to be interesting. Lots of things in play considering the H2H between UWW, SJU, Bethel and UWP.
Crazy!!
Wow, what a weekend of crazy games in D3
The Bear is looking forward to the poll this week. Crazy ****ing week of games is right! Wow!
2022 Week 4 West Region Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 2 89
2) St. John's 1 81
3) Linfield (3) 3 79
4) Bethel (1) 7 69
5) UW-LaCrosse 4 65
6) UW-River Falls 5 47
7) UW-Oshkosh 6 43
8) George Fox 8 30
9) UW-Platteville 9 17
10) Whitworth 10 10
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) UW-Stout (8), Gustavus Adolphus (6), Chapman (3), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (2), Augsburg (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5)
2) St. John's 81 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5)
3) Linfield (3) 79 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 7)
4) Bethel (1) 69 ( 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7, 9)
5) UW-LaCrosse 65 ( 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 8)
6) UW-River Falls 47 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, -)
7) UW-Oshkosh 43 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7,10)
8) George Fox 30 ( 2, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
9) UW-Platteville 17 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -, -)
10) Whitworth 10 ( 5, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 8 ( 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 6 ( 7,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Chapman 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scipps 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Augsburg 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Lots of interesting stuff here. A few to point out:
- UWW went 0 first-place votes last week to 6 this week, despite of only gaining 1 point from last week (88 to 89).
- Wide range of opinions on Bethel. Don't think we've had a team get a 1st place and a 9th place vote in the same week before.
- Lots of uncertainty on Linfield, especially since playing only two games so far. A few first-place votes possibly just because they're a big name that hasn't lost yet? First place by default?
- With conference play coming up, we'll probably see a lot of movement in the upcoming weeks between the 6 WIAC teams getting votes
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 28, 2022, 07:38:59 AM
Lots of good stuff here. A few to point out:
- UWW went 0 first-place votes last week to 6 this week, despite of only gaining 1 point from last week.
- Wide range of opinions on Bethel. Don't think we've had a team get a 1st place and a 9th place vote in the same week before.
- Lots of uncertainty on Linfield, especially since they've only played two games so far. A few first-place votes possibly just because they're a big name that hasn't lost yet. First place by default?
One of the more intriguing starts to a D-III season. Along with Bethel's range, George Fox received one second place vote and was left off another ballot altogether.
This is obviously very subjective, but one thing I really like about these results is that St. John's and UW-W (and even to a degree Bethel and UW-P) have not been overly penalized for playing good teams. The order can be debated, but I do think you guys got the top 4 right.
The D3football.com poll does a pretty good job of sorting things out as well. The only unfortunate (but understandable) result on their poll in my mind is that the two top two (NCC and Mount Union) are benefitting from scheduling soft. As much fun as we've had watching and analyzing the UW-W, UMHB, St. John's, Bethel, UW-P, Hardin Simmons loop, NCC and Mount and their soft schedules are benefitting the most right now. I know it doesn't even matter, it's just fun to see how it's all shaking out.
I'll come clean on a few of my votes. Obviously I'm a UWW fan, but I was not one of the 6 to vote them in the top spot. I actually had them 3rd. I have Linfield in the top spot (w/ SJU #2), only because I wasn't comfortable putting anyone else up there.
Yes, Bethel had a great win at home against SJU, but the loss to UWP is still fresh in my head (which is a bad loss in my opinion, even taking into account injuries). I had Bethel unranked last week. Moved them up to 9th this week, right behind UWP (who I have at 8th).
So far this season, my top 7 teams have remained in the top 7 spots - only I've switched the order as that weeks play results come in. On any given day, I think if any of them were to play one another, either team could win. Now, as the season progresses, we as voters start to see in-conference play and the wins/losses help us to stack them accordingly. I concur about Linfield - too little data and riding their resume on past performance.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 28, 2022, 07:52:13 AM
I'll come clean on a few of my votes. Obviously I'm a UWW fan, but I was not one of the 6 to vote them in the top spot. I actually had them 3rd. I have Linfield in the top spot (w/ SJU #2), only because I wasn't comfortable putting anyone else up there.
Yes, Bethel had a great win at home against SJU, but the loss to UWP is still fresh in my head (which is a bad loss in my opinion, even taking into account injuries). I had Bethel unranked last week. Moved them up to 9th this week, right behind UWP (who I have at 8th).
Wasn't Bethel missing their star QB against UWP? Hard to ignore what they did against SJU with him. I imagine that UWP game is very different if he plays.
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 28, 2022, 07:51:53 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 28, 2022, 07:38:59 AM
Lots of good stuff here. A few to point out:
- UWW went 0 first-place votes last week to 6 this week, despite of only gaining 1 point from last week.
- Wide range of opinions on Bethel. Don't think we've had a team get a 1st place and a 9th place vote in the same week before.
- Lots of uncertainty on Linfield, especially since they've only played two games so far. A few first-place votes possibly just because they're a big name that hasn't lost yet. First place by default?
One of the more intriguing starts to a D-III season. Along with Bethel's range, George Fox received one second place vote and was left off another ballot altogether.
This is obviously very subjective, but one thing I really like about these results is that St. John's and UW-W (and even to a degree Bethel and UW-P) have not been overly penalized for playing good teams. The order can be debated, but I do think you guys got the top 4 right.
The D3football.com poll does a pretty good job of sorting things out as well. The only unfortunate (but understandable) result on their poll in my mind is that the two top two (NCC and Mount Union) are benefitting from scheduling soft. As much fun as we've had watching and analyzing the UW-W, UMHB, St. John's, Bethel, UW-P, Hardin Simmons loop, NCC and Mount and their soft schedules are benefitting the most right now. I know it doesn't even matter, it's just fun to see how it's all shaking out.
Yea, this has bugged me. Everyone is cheering on UWW, UMHB, SJU for scheduling top echelon non-conference opponents. "This is how it should be!" And then NCC and UMU get rewarded for NOT doing that. Even with the losses, UWW and UMHB and SJU should be above those two teams until proven otherwise. Because everyone says SOS matters, but then it doesn't. You're right that the poll doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is who is left standing after the Stagg Bowl, but this has bothered me a bit this year.
Quote from: art76 on September 28, 2022, 08:07:08 AM
I concur about Linfield - too little data and riding their resume on past performance.
Yeah, total one hit wonders....
Quote from: wildcat11 on September 28, 2022, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: art76 on September 28, 2022, 08:07:08 AM
I concur about Linfield - too little data and riding their resume on past performance.
Yeah, total one hit wonders....
Up until last year, it had been a long while since Linfield had done much in the postseason. And their nonconference schedule isn't much to be excited about, nor are they blowing those teams out. So, this seems fair.
yeah I'm thinking that Linfield is an overrated team who haven't beat anybody yet of significance. In fact they may be perhaps one of the most overrated teams in division 3. they hardly ever play anybody of significance out west, even though they seem to make it to the playoffs occasionally, probably because of their week schedule and conference. their beginner quarterback doesn't impress me and their so-called vaunted defense has yet to be proven. so we'll see. in the meantime I think they're overrated. but then again my friends think I'm full of it. LOL oh I don't have any friends... ::) :P
some people say that I'm losing it.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 28, 2022, 07:52:13 AM
I'll come clean on a few of my votes. Obviously I'm a UWW fan, but I was not one of the 6 to vote them in the top spot. I actually had them 3rd. I have Linfield in the top spot (w/ SJU #2), only because I wasn't comfortable putting anyone else up there.
Yes, Bethel had a great win at home against SJU, but the loss to UWP is still fresh in my head (which is a bad loss in my opinion, even taking into account injuries). I had Bethel unranked last week. Moved them up to 9th this week, right behind UWP (who I have at 8th).
Ice understands regardless of injury there must be some ranking consequence for a loss however Ice thinks this may be an exception. To Ice, the Royals are two completely different teams with Roste and w/out Roste. Ice agrees it's interesting to see the amount to which they are being punished from that loss after defeating the #2 team in the nation. Ice gets it though and certainly appreciates your willingness to put it out there.
Ice just can't jive with the cats as #1 in ****ing anything...simply because they are Linfield.
Quote from: colinsteinke on September 28, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
NCC and UMU get rewarded for NOT doing that.
I actually believe North Central and Mount Union are being rewarded for being really good at Division III football.
Quote from: criswyly on September 28, 2022, 04:19:13 PM
some people say that I'm losing it.
Yeah just like all the others cats , we love you buddy marbles and all :-*
Ice you need to find a hot bear and chill. :P
Quote from: desertcat1 on September 28, 2022, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: criswyly on September 28, 2022, 04:19:13 PM
some people say that I'm losing it.
Yeah just like all the others cats , we love you buddy marbles and all :-*
Ice you need to find a hot bear and chill. :P
Ice was just messing around. Tons of respect for the Linfield program. Ice says sometimes the sarcasm doesn't translate. Linfield is one hell of a program.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: colinsteinke on September 28, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
NCC and UMU get rewarded for NOT doing that.
I actually believe North Central and Mount Union are being rewarded for being really good at Division III football.
All the teams in the Top 10 are really good at Division III football and would have the exact same record as North Central and Mount Union if they played the same teams Mount Union or North Central did. I think the point being made is that they have ascended to #1 and #2 by virtue of. not losing. And the teams they have not lost to are not good at Division III football.
I'm not even criticizing the pollsters when I say that. I don't think it's possible to put a Top 25 out there that won't cause debate right now. And I think a large part of the fan base probably prefers it this way.
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 28, 2022, 09:08:25 PM
And I think a large part of the fan base probably prefers it this way.
Bingo - we have a winner!
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 28, 2022, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: colinsteinke on September 28, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
NCC and UMU get rewarded for NOT doing that.
I actually believe North Central and Mount Union are being rewarded for being really good at Division III football.
All the teams in the Top 10 are really good at Division III football and would have the exact same record as North Central and Mount Union if they played the same teams Mount Union or North Central did. I think the point being made is that they have ascended to #1 and #2 by virtue of. not losing. And the teams they have not lost to are not good at Division III football.
I'm not even criticizing the pollsters when I say that. I don't think it's possible to put a Top 25 out there that won't cause debate right now. And I think a large part of the fan base probably prefers it this way.
Wait a minute...
In the past Mt. Union has played some decent teams in their one-game non-conference schedule. In 2021 they played an up-and-coming Westminster team that went 8-1 in their conference. Before then they had a home and home with Rose-Hulman, while not an elite program certainly isn't in the dregs of D-3.
North Central, this year, played Wabash for their lone non-conference game, who beat them in the playoffs a few years ago, was a playoff team in 2019, and the three losses last year were the most since 2004. Not good at Division 3 football my eye.
In 2021 they chainsawed Aurora, who the week before lost only by six to St. John's.
I think you're not thinking critically about that, and the limited number of teams that can play them with one non-conference game. Conference games are conference games, so dogging NC and UMU for those is disingenuous.
Quote from: smedindy on September 29, 2022, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 28, 2022, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: colinsteinke on September 28, 2022, 10:46:53 AM
NCC and UMU get rewarded for NOT doing that.
I actually believe North Central and Mount Union are being rewarded for being really good at Division III football.
All the teams in the Top 10 are really good at Division III football and would have the exact same record as North Central and Mount Union if they played the same teams Mount Union or North Central did. I think the point being made is that they have ascended to #1 and #2 by virtue of. not losing. And the teams they have not lost to are not good at Division III football.
I'm not even criticizing the pollsters when I say that. I don't think it's possible to put a Top 25 out there that won't cause debate right now. And I think a large part of the fan base probably prefers it this way.
Wait a minute...
In the past Mt. Union has played some decent teams in their one-game non-conference schedule. In 2021 they played an up-and-coming Westminster team that went 8-1 in their conference. Before then they had a home and home with Rose-Hulman, while not an elite program certainly isn't in the dregs of D-3.
North Central, this year, played Wabash for their lone non-conference game, who beat them in the playoffs a few years ago, was a playoff team in 2019, and the three losses last year were the most since 2004. Not good at Division 3 football my eye.
In 2021 they chainsawed Aurora, who the week before lost only by six to St. John's.
I think you're not thinking critically about that, and the limited number of teams that can play them with one non-conference game. Conference games are conference games, so dogging NC and UMU for those is disingenuous.
Ok, in terms of trying to reverse Pat's language, it probably came out a bit harsh. However, I am not talking about the past. I am talking about 2022. Mount Union played Defiance and North Central played Wabash. An argument can be made that Wabash is good at D-III football this year, but I don't see it being made by many Little Giant fans. And Defiance, well...
Wabash is down, for sure, because their defense is imaginary. But they can pile up points, and the only team to harness them was North Central.
I'll give you Defiance. But you gotta schedule someone, and sometimes you gets Defiance.
Sure, comparatively speaking, Mount and NCC "haven't played anybody" yet this year (though we all know Wabash is a worthy program, just down a bit this year). That said, both Mount and NCC have crushed every opponent so far. We know what good football looks like at the D3 level, and they're certainly playing very good football to this point. In my view, one does not need to draw on past year's performance to gauge this year's teams. They're really good.
Also, huge tip of the cap to SJU, UWW, UMHB, Hardin, and others, for really playing grade A non-conference opponents to start the year. It's made September fun to follow and none of those teams should be overly punished by voters for outcomes in those game.
Only 4 weeks into the season, and to me the biggest question mark at this point is Linfield. They've only played 2 games and have looked pedestrian in each. October will give us a better read on how they are this year.
Quote from: wm4 on September 29, 2022, 05:06:09 PM
Sure, comparatively speaking, Mount and NCC "haven't played anybody" yet this year (though we all know Wabash is a worthy program, just down a bit this year). That said, both Mount and NCC have crushed every opponent so far. We know what good football looks like at the D3 level, and they're certainly playing very good football to this point. In my view, one does not need to draw on past year's performance to gauge this year's teams. They're really good.
Also, huge tip of the cap to SJU, UWW, UMHB, Hardin, and others, for really playing grade A non-conference opponents to start the year. It's made September fun to follow and none of those teams should be overly punished by voters for outcomes in those game.
Only 4 weeks into the season, and to me the biggest question mark at this point is Linfield. They've only played 2 games and have looked pedestrian in each. October will give us a better read on how they are this year.
I actually agree with Pat's post, this post, and Smed's post. I think all of the above can be true. Mount and NCC are surely fine teams and are worthy of their #1 and #2 ranking. In a sense, their recent history (and in Mount's case, long. history) has established them as elite programs. But it's also likely true that neither of them would be #1 if UMHB hadn't scheduled UW-W. Again, I am engaging in this entire conversation knowing it's just fun discussion, not something that determines the arc of anyone's season.
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 29, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: wm4 on September 29, 2022, 05:06:09 PM
Sure, comparatively speaking, Mount and NCC "haven't played anybody" yet this year (though we all know Wabash is a worthy program, just down a bit this year). That said, both Mount and NCC have crushed every opponent so far. We know what good football looks like at the D3 level, and they're certainly playing very good football to this point. In my view, one does not need to draw on past year's performance to gauge this year's teams. They're really good.
Also, huge tip of the cap to SJU, UWW, UMHB, Hardin, and others, for really playing grade A non-conference opponents to start the year. It's made September fun to follow and none of those teams should be overly punished by voters for outcomes in those game.
Only 4 weeks into the season, and to me the biggest question mark at this point is Linfield. They've only played 2 games and have looked pedestrian in each. October will give us a better read on how they are this year.
I actually agree with Pat's post, this post, and Smed's post. I think all of the above can be true. Mount and NCC are surely fine teams and are worthy of their #1 and #2 ranking. In a sense, their recent history (and in Mount's case, long. history) has established them as elite programs. But it's also likely true that neither of them would be #1 if UMHB hadn't scheduled UW-W. Again, I am engaging in this entire conversation knowing it's just fun discussion, not something that determines the arc of anyone's season.
Well, scheduled is fine. Lost is another. Had they not lost, they'd be pretty well consensus #1 especially after pole-axing Hardin Simmons.
Heck, they still could be #1 after all if Wheaton beats NCC and Mount looks average against JCU or Heidelberg. But those are BIG ifs, because I think both of those teams are the cream of the crop right now, and everyone else looks like a semi-finalist (depending on the draw of course).
For me the question of reward is what does the AA do with the SOS data at playoffs. If it rewards soft sos and punishes teams that challenged themselves early, do teams just schedule victims to avoid the loss. My hope is the OOC SOS scheduling is rewarded by the selection committee to encourage more of it.
Strength of schedule can help you or bite you in the butt! A weak non-conference sos will make your team look good and get stats, but will not prepare you for the tough game. While a strong sos can prepare you to become a better team, you can lose an early game to hurt your ranking, as some of the historic D3 programs have this season.
Quote from: smedindy on September 30, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 29, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: wm4 on September 29, 2022, 05:06:09 PM
Sure, comparatively speaking, Mount and NCC "haven't played anybody" yet this year (though we all know Wabash is a worthy program, just down a bit this year). That said, both Mount and NCC have crushed every opponent so far. We know what good football looks like at the D3 level, and they're certainly playing very good football to this point. In my view, one does not need to draw on past year's performance to gauge this year's teams. They're really good.
Also, huge tip of the cap to SJU, UWW, UMHB, Hardin, and others, for really playing grade A non-conference opponents to start the year. It's made September fun to follow and none of those teams should be overly punished by voters for outcomes in those game.
Only 4 weeks into the season, and to me the biggest question mark at this point is Linfield. They've only played 2 games and have looked pedestrian in each. October will give us a better read on how they are this year.
I actually agree with Pat's post, this post, and Smed's post. I think all of the above can be true. Mount and NCC are surely fine teams and are worthy of their #1 and #2 ranking. In a sense, their recent history (and in Mount's case, long. history) has established them as elite programs. But it's also likely true that neither of them would be #1 if UMHB hadn't scheduled UW-W. Again, I am engaging in this entire conversation knowing it's just fun discussion, not something that determines the arc of anyone's season.
Well, scheduled is fine. Lost is another. Had they not lost, they'd be pretty well consensus #1 especially after pole-axing Hardin Simmons.
Heck, they still could be #1 after all if Wheaton beats NCC and Mount looks average against JCU or Heidelberg. But those are BIG ifs, because I think both of those teams are the cream of the crop right now, and everyone else looks like a semi-finalist (depending on the draw of course).
So, I guess that's where we really disagree. You say that NCC and Mount "are the cream of the crop" right now. I say, there's little to no evidence that their 2022 version is any better than UW-W or UMHB. Had they scheduled either of them, they may well be the teams that look "like a semi-finalist". Maybe not of course, but my contention is we have no way of knowing. I will keep UW-W out of my argument because of my admitted bias, but I believe UMHB would beat NCC. Mount is a different issue with their prolific passing game and I know HSU exposed the CRU a bit in that area. But I also think the CRU could score a ton on Mount.
Quote from: Toby Taff on September 30, 2022, 04:17:42 PM
For me the question of reward is what does the AA do with the SOS data at playoffs. If it rewards soft sos and punishes teams that challenged themselves early, do teams just schedule victims to avoid the loss. My hope is the OOC SOS scheduling is rewarded by the selection committee to encourage more of it.
This. Probably the most important point of all.
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 30, 2022, 06:53:41 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 30, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 29, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: wm4 on September 29, 2022, 05:06:09 PM
Sure, comparatively speaking, Mount and NCC "haven't played anybody" yet this year (though we all know Wabash is a worthy program, just down a bit this year). That said, both Mount and NCC have crushed every opponent so far. We know what good football looks like at the D3 level, and they're certainly playing very good football to this point. In my view, one does not need to draw on past year's performance to gauge this year's teams. They're really good.
Also, huge tip of the cap to SJU, UWW, UMHB, Hardin, and others, for really playing grade A non-conference opponents to start the year. It's made September fun to follow and none of those teams should be overly punished by voters for outcomes in those game.
Only 4 weeks into the season, and to me the biggest question mark at this point is Linfield. They've only played 2 games and have looked pedestrian in each. October will give us a better read on how they are this year.
I actually agree with Pat's post, this post, and Smed's post. I think all of the above can be true. Mount and NCC are surely fine teams and are worthy of their #1 and #2 ranking. In a sense, their recent history (and in Mount's case, long. history) has established them as elite programs. But it's also likely true that neither of them would be #1 if UMHB hadn't scheduled UW-W. Again, I am engaging in this entire conversation knowing it's just fun discussion, not something that determines the arc of anyone's season.
Well, scheduled is fine. Lost is another. Had they not lost, they'd be pretty well consensus #1 especially after pole-axing Hardin Simmons.
Heck, they still could be #1 after all if Wheaton beats NCC and Mount looks average against JCU or Heidelberg. But those are BIG ifs, because I think both of those teams are the cream of the crop right now, and everyone else looks like a semi-finalist (depending on the draw of course).
So, I guess that's where we really disagree. You say that NCC and Mount "are the cream of the crop" right now. I say, there's little to no evidence that their 2022 version is any better than UW-W or UMHB. Had they scheduled either of them, they may well be the teams that look "like a semi-finalist". Maybe not of course, but my contention is we have no way of knowing. I will keep UW-W out of my argument because of my admitted bias, but I believe UMHB would beat NCC. Mount is a different issue with their prolific passing game and I know HSU exposed the CRU a bit in that area. But I also think the CRU could score a ton on Mount.
North Central has one non-conference game and they kept it in region and scheduled an historically good team. They've gone away from NAIA land and usually schedule close to home. 2019 they did go to Christopher Newport, but that was going to be a good matchup then C-N fell off a ledge. It happens. I like that they've scheduled teams like Wabash, Aurora and Lake Forest in the past few years.
Mt. Union also has one non-conference game. They've also tried to stay close to home, except for a home-and-home against NC Wesleyan.
Again scheduling UW-W and UMHB may sound 'nice', but we're dealing with one game, and it seems like a philosophy of sticking nearby if possible. (I know UW-W is 'nearby' for North Central but they schedule Week 2 as their non-conference while UMU schedules week 1 - UW-W was occupied.) UMHB did get an extra non-conference game this year thanks to Bellhaven leaving, but you still have to fit their NC games in the first two weeks since conference play starts Week 3 for them now.
It's a tough puzzle.
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
Quote from: smedindy on September 30, 2022, 10:18:53 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 30, 2022, 06:53:41 PM
Quote from: smedindy on September 30, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 29, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: wm4 on September 29, 2022, 05:06:09 PM
Sure, comparatively speaking, Mount and NCC "haven't played anybody" yet this year (though we all know Wabash is a worthy program, just down a bit this year). That said, both Mount and NCC have crushed every opponent so far. We know what good football looks like at the D3 level, and they're certainly playing very good football to this point. In my view, one does not need to draw on past year's performance to gauge this year's teams. They're really good.
Also, huge tip of the cap to SJU, UWW, UMHB, Hardin, and others, for really playing grade A non-conference opponents to start the year. It's made September fun to follow and none of those teams should be overly punished by voters for outcomes in those game.
Only 4 weeks into the season, and to me the biggest question mark at this point is Linfield. They've only played 2 games and have looked pedestrian in each. October will give us a better read on how they are this year.
I actually agree with Pat's post, this post, and Smed's post. I think all of the above can be true. Mount and NCC are surely fine teams and are worthy of their #1 and #2 ranking. In a sense, their recent history (and in Mount's case, long. history) has established them as elite programs. But it's also likely true that neither of them would be #1 if UMHB hadn't scheduled UW-W. Again, I am engaging in this entire conversation knowing it's just fun discussion, not something that determines the arc of anyone's season.
Well, scheduled is fine. Lost is another. Had they not lost, they'd be pretty well consensus #1 especially after pole-axing Hardin Simmons.
Heck, they still could be #1 after all if Wheaton beats NCC and Mount looks average against JCU or Heidelberg. But those are BIG ifs, because I think both of those teams are the cream of the crop right now, and everyone else looks like a semi-finalist (depending on the draw of course).
So, I guess that's where we really disagree. You say that NCC and Mount "are the cream of the crop" right now. I say, there's little to no evidence that their 2022 version is any better than UW-W or UMHB. Had they scheduled either of them, they may well be the teams that look "like a semi-finalist". Maybe not of course, but my contention is we have no way of knowing. I will keep UW-W out of my argument because of my admitted bias, but I believe UMHB would beat NCC. Mount is a different issue with their prolific passing game and I know HSU exposed the CRU a bit in that area. But I also think the CRU could score a ton on Mount.
North Central has one non-conference game and they kept it in region and scheduled an historically good team. They've gone away from NAIA land and usually schedule close to home. 2019 they did go to Christopher Newport, but that was going to be a good matchup then C-N fell off a ledge. It happens. I like that they've scheduled teams like Wabash, Aurora and Lake Forest in the past few years.
Mt. Union also has one non-conference game. They've also tried to stay close to home, except for a home-and-home against NC Wesleyan.
Again scheduling UW-W and UMHB may sound 'nice', but we're dealing with one game, and it seems like a philosophy of sticking nearby if possible. (I know UW-W is 'nearby' for North Central but they schedule Week 2 as their non-conference while UMU schedules week 1 - UW-W was occupied.) UMHB did get an extra non-conference game this year thanks to Bellhaven leaving, but you still have to fit their NC games in the first two weeks since conference play starts Week 3 for them now.
It's a tough puzzle.
Yes, it is a tough puzzle.
But, for the record, UW-W contacted North Central about playing week 2 before the Mary Hardin-Baylor game was set and they had no interest in playing us. None of this is about the point I was making, though. I was not criticizing NCC or Mount Union for how they schedule. Heck, it will probably help them get a #1 seed. I was just saying based on their competition, right now we couldn't possibly know how if they are good enough to put a semi-final ceiling on UW-W or Mary Hardin-Baylor. In NCC's case, we now have more data with a nice win in the battle for the Little Brass Bell.
Quote from: smedindy on October 02, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 03, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
Really appreciate the info and perspective on the SCIAC/NWC.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 03, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 02, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
I think they (the announcers) said the starting QB for the PLU-Fox game was their 3rd stringer.....and he got knocked out of the game near the end and another guys came on to seal the victory. Regarding the SCIAC. I think any of Redlands (if they can just find some O-linemen to block they will be pretty good), Pomona (great QB), Claremont (stout D and good running game) and possibly CLU (need to see how they fair against more solid competition) could win it this year. That being said, I would not be at all surprised to see a multi-team tie and a Rose Bowl Rule playoff selection.
Quote from: MonroviaCat on October 04, 2022, 08:48:23 AM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 03, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 02, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
I think they (the announcers) said the starting QB for the PLU-Fox game was their 3rd stringer.....and he got knocked out of the game near the end and another guys came on to seal the victory. Regarding the SCIAC. I think any of Redlands (if they can just find some O-linemen to block they will be pretty good), Pomona (great QB), Claremont (stout D and good running game) and possibly CLU (need to see how they fair against more solid competition) could win it this year. That being said, I would not be at all surprised to see a multi-team tie and a Rose Bowl Rule playoff selection.
I agree that there will likely be several one loss teams in the SCIAC this year. Rose Bowl rules will be interesting.
possibly CLU (need to see how they fair against more solid competition) could win it this year.
CLU had Chapman and failed on a 2 pt conversion for the win (losing by one pt and the week before in Texas lost by one point) , and beat PLU which beat George Fox? What do you consider solid competition? They should be undefeated, so we will see this Saturday how they play!
Dr. D, making reference to Whittier in backing your team up, tough pill to swallow.....This is the worse Whittier team I have seen in my memory. I can not find one stud, I can remember Whittier going 2-7, yet having a couple guys get invited to a Pro Day or doing a free agent try out....I doubt any of the 22 starters would start on UR's 0-4 team...maybe a linebacker would play. They are horrible, I think I might be in the O line rotation and I can remember Suspension Helmets.
CLU will get tested against UR. UR defense is very credible. Coaches have had two weeks to fix their issues, plus knowing UR playing time is wide open now. I am sure practices are very feisty.
UR is going to have to establish some kind of run game, I don't know if its more plays down hill, 12 Formation, refining RPO's....My vote is to play down hill, send TE down on backers. UR has gotten away from using a FB, I think we may see one. I hope we don't see the same thing.
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Dr. D, making reference to Whittier in backing your team up, tough pill to swallow.....This is the worse Whittier team I have seen in my memory. I can not find one stud, I can remember Whittier going 2-7, yet having a couple guys get invited to a Pro Day or doing a free agent try out....I doubt any of the 22 starters would start on UR's 0-4 team...maybe a linebacker would play. They are horrible, I think I might be in the O line rotation and I can remember Suspension Helmets.
CLU will get tested against UR. UR defense is very credible. Coaches have had two weeks to fix their issues, plus knowing UR playing time is wide open now. I am sure practices are very feisty.
UR is going to have to establish some kind of run game, I don't know if its more plays down hill, 12 Formation, refining RPO's....My vote is to play down hill, send TE down on backers. UR has gotten away from using a FB, I think we may see one. I hope we don't see the same thing.
I did not mention Whittier, Just Chapman and PLU? Whittier is TERRIBLE! Not one Whittier player would start on any other SCIAC team except possibly La Verne. But I agree CLU will be tested this week against Redlands, who are rested and had 2 weeks to prepare. We will see come Saturday night.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 03, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 02, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
Dr. D, help me out, See six straight shut out quarters above ...just teasing Dr ::)
Quote from: olddog on October 04, 2022, 01:26:45 PM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 03, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 02, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
Dr. D, help me out, See six straight shut out quarters above ...just teasing Dr ::)
OK, you got me there, but they did shut out PLU in the second half.
its all good Dr. D
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 04, 2022, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: olddog on October 04, 2022, 01:26:45 PM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 03, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 02, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
The bottom of the rankings will be...interesting. The SCIAC and NWC all have interlocking common wins and losses that 'cancel' each other out.
Chapman is the main culprit - beating Pacific who beat Pomona-Pizer who beat Chapman.
Chapman beat Cal Lutheran who beat PLU who beat George Fox who beat Chapman.
PLU beating George Fox was a surprise considering they did it with the back up QB after he was knocked out in the CLU game the previous week. PLU has a decent defense and run game. Chapman is down this year based on their record and watching them vs CLU earlier this season. P-P seems to be the team to beat this season in SCIAC, but CLU can play with anyone when they play defense. Six straight shutout quarter with second half shut out vs PLU and Whittier game. Redlands game will tell a lot about CLU and if they are good or not. This is a very interesting/competitive year.
Dr. D, help me out, See six straight shut out quarters above ...just teasing Dr ::)
OK, you got me there, but they did shut out PLU in the second half.
I watched the CLU/UPS game and was surprised that UPS stayed in it the whole game.
QuoteBut, for the record, UW-W contacted North Central about playing week 2 before the Mary Hardin-Baylor game was set and they had no interest in playing us. None of this is about the point I was making, though. I was not criticizing NCC or Mount Union for how they schedule. Heck, it will probably help them get a #1 seed. I was just saying based on their competition, right now we couldn't possibly know how if they are good enough to put a semi-final ceiling on UW-W or Mary Hardin-Baylor. In NCC's case, we now have more data with a nice win in the battle for the Little Brass Bell.
Had North Central already scheduled Wabash though? Wabash does schedule in advance and may have snagged North Central quickly.
You know who's a good snag? LINFIELD; year in, year out.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 05, 2022, 04:20:13 PM
You know who's a good snag? LINFIELD; year in, year out.
Would love to see a Mount Union-Linfield game! I haven't heard anything about who Mount Union is playing in 2024. Goodness knows they had no trouble scheduling Defiance five years in advance for 2022 and 2023.
Good idea for both programs. +
A little late posting Week 5 results. Still waiting on one one person.
2022 Week 5 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 1 85
2) Linfield (2) 3 70
3) St. John's 2 68
4) UW-LaCrosse 5 64
5) Bethel (1) 4 59
6) UW-River Falls 6 48
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 45
8t) Whitworth 10 20
8t) UW-Stout - 20
10t) Pomona-Pitzer - 4
10t) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 4
Dropped Out: UW-Platteville, George Fox
RV) Gustavus Adolphus (2), George Fox (2), Carleton (2), Pacific (1), UW-Platteville (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 85 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
2) Linfield (2) 70 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6)
3) St. John's 68 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
4) UW-LaCrosse 64 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 8)
5) Bethel (1) 59 ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7, 7, 7)
6) UW-River Falls 48 ( 3, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
7) UW-Oshkosh 45 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7)
8t) Whitworth 20 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
8t) UW-Stout 20 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -)
10t) Pomona-Pitzer 4 ( 9,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10t) Claremont-Mudd-Scipps 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carelton 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Only got 9 polls this week, so the vote totals will be a little off compared to last week.
Quote from: smedindy on October 05, 2022, 12:20:07 PM
QuoteBut, for the record, UW-W contacted North Central about playing week 2 before the Mary Hardin-Baylor game was set and they had no interest in playing us. None of this is about the point I was making, though. I was not criticizing NCC or Mount Union for how they schedule. Heck, it will probably help them get a #1 seed. I was just saying based on their competition, right now we couldn't possibly know how if they are good enough to put a semi-final ceiling on UW-W or Mary Hardin-Baylor. In NCC's case, we now have more data with a nice win in the battle for the Little Brass Bell.
Had North Central already scheduled Wabash though? Wabash does schedule in advance and may have snagged North Central quickly.
My understanding is UW-W reached out to NCC well before that game was scheduled. My further understanding is that NCC doesn't feel like it is in the best interest of their program to schedule UW-W. I'm guessing the honest one word answer to the question as to why would be "Wheaton". Honestly, going out a couple of years, I think it might be more likely to see a Mount Union/UW-W home and home than it will be to see a NCC or Wheaton/UW-W home and home. It drives me a little crazy because of the close proximity. But it's hard to knock schools for thinking that way given that the likelihood of a Pool C bid with two losses is shaky at best.
The WIAC... the best D2 conference in D3... :)
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 06, 2022, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 05, 2022, 12:20:07 PM
QuoteBut, for the record, UW-W contacted North Central about playing week 2 before the Mary Hardin-Baylor game was set and they had no interest in playing us. None of this is about the point I was making, though. I was not criticizing NCC or Mount Union for how they schedule. Heck, it will probably help them get a #1 seed. I was just saying based on their competition, right now we couldn't possibly know how if they are good enough to put a semi-final ceiling on UW-W or Mary Hardin-Baylor. In NCC's case, we now have more data with a nice win in the battle for the Little Brass Bell.
Had North Central already scheduled Wabash though? Wabash does schedule in advance and may have snagged North Central quickly.
My understanding is UW-W reached out to NCC well before that game was scheduled. My further understanding is that NCC doesn't feel like it is in the best interest of their program to schedule UW-W. I'm guessing the honest one word answer to the question as to why would be "Wheaton". Honestly, going out a couple of years, I think it might be more likely to see a Mount Union/UW-W home and home than it will be to see a NCC or Wheaton/UW-W home and home. It drives me a little crazy because of the close proximity. But it's hard to knock schools for thinking that way given that the likelihood of a Pool C bid with two losses is shaky at best.
Except for this year, Wheaton's always scheduled some scrubs in non-conference. Last year was Northwestern (MN). There are other good teams out there in Region 5 and 6 (and 4) that could offer stout tests for UW-W. Wartburg? DePauw? Bethel?
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 06, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
2022 Week 5 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (6) 1 85
2) Linfield (2) 3 70
3) St. John's 2 68
4) UW-LaCrosse 5 64
5) Bethel (1) 4 59
6) UW-River Falls 6 48
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 45
8t) Whitworth 10 20
8t) UW-Stout - 20
10t) Pomona-Pitzer - 4
10t) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 4
Dropped Out: UW-Platteville, George Fox
RV) Gustavus Adolphus (2), George Fox (2), Carleton (2), Pacific (1), UW-Platteville (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
The Bear says, IIBHO, LaCrosse, the Johnnies, and the Royals beat Linfield. Ice feels Linfield is too high.
Could very well be true. But Linfield is the only undefeated team among them.
Yes, I know they haven't played anyone yet.
New head coach for Wheaton, so perhaps this is a new philosophy.
Got a couple of late entries, will post later this morning
2022 Week 6 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 95
2) St. John's 3 78
3) UW-LaCrosse 4 75
4) Linfield (2) 2 71
5) Bethel (1) 5 66
6) UW-River Falls 6 59
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 41
8) UW-Stout 9 17
9) Gustavus Adolphus - 14
10) Carleton - 9
Dropped Out: Whitworth, Pomona, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
RV) Pomona-Pitzer (8), Whitworth (7), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (5), Pacific (4), UW-Platteville (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 95 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
2) St. John's 78 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
3) UW-LaCrosse 75 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
4) Linfield (2) 71 ( 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8)
5) Bethel (1) 66 ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 7, 7, 7)
6) UW-River Falls 59 ( 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
7) UW-Oshkosh 41 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, -)
8) UW-Stout 17 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -, -)
9) Gustavus Adolphus 14 ( 7, 8, 8, 8,10, -, -, -, -, -)
10) Carelton 9 ( 8, 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pomona-Pitzer 8 ( 9, 9,10,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Whitworth 7 ( 8, 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scipps 5 ( 8,10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Carlton? Really?? Who have they beaten? I am impressed that this program is undefeated, considering they historically have been one of the weakest teams in MIAC. But we will see when they play Bethel, Gustavus and St. John's. My bet is P-P will smash them next year if they play (as was mentioned on SCIAC/NWC Boards).
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 14, 2022, 09:28:18 AM
2022 Week 6 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (7) 1 95
2) St. John's 3 78
3) UW-LaCrosse 4 75
4) Linfield (2) 2 71
5) Bethel (1) 5 66
6) UW-River Falls 6 59
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 41
8) UW-Stout 9 17
9) Gustavus Adolphus - 14
10) Carleton - 9
Dropped Out: Whitworth, Pomona, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
RV) Pomona-Pitzer (8), Whitworth (7), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (5), Pacific (4), UW-Platteville (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
Ice thinks this is a solid poll (and he's referring to the rankings so get your ****ing heads out of the gutter!). Ice says Bethel aslo bests Linfield with Roste. However, he feels with the 1 loss it would be a hard argument to put the Royals ahead of Linfield. Ice is was watching the Whitworth score last week and it seemed to Ice that the Wildkittens handled the rrrrrrrrr's pretty easily. Ice wishes the Wildkittens luck and no injuries the rest of the way. He hopes to view a bit of the Pacific game Saturday and will also the Pacific Lutheran game next week.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
Carlton? Really?? Who have they beaten? I am impressed that this program is undefeated, considering they historically have been one of the weakest teams in MIAC. But we will see when they play Bethel, Gustavus and St. John's. My bet is P-P will smash them next year if they play (as was mentioned on SCIAC/NWC Boards).
I mean, we're talking about a separation of
one point between Carleton and P-P. They're pretty much even, and a case can be made for either team.
As far as strength of schedule, Carleton does have the better Opponent Win% (.524 vs. 421), and they've been blowing out everyone they've played so far. D3football ranks Carleton's SOS at 122nd compared to P-P's 140. I might have put P-P above Carleton if Carleton was squeaking out victories against the opposition. But their games haven't been close at all.
I don't think it's that far fetched.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 14, 2022, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
Carlton? Really?? Who have they beaten? I am impressed that this program is undefeated, considering they historically have been one of the weakest teams in MIAC. But we will see when they play Bethel, Gustavus and St. John's. My bet is P-P will smash them next year if they play (as was mentioned on SCIAC/NWC Boards).
I mean, we're talking about a separation of one point between Carleton and P-P. They're pretty much even, and a case can be made for either team.
As far as strength of schedule, Carleton does have the better Opponent Win% (.524 vs. 421), and they've been blowing out everyone they've played so far. D3football ranks Carleton's SOS at 122nd compared to P-P's 140. I might have put P-P above Carleton if Carleton was squeaking out victories against the opposition. But their games haven't been close at all.
Wait until they play a good team like I mentioned above.
I don't think it's that far fetched.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 12:26:59 PM
Wait until they play a good team like I mentioned above.
Not sure what that changes, because there's no question Carleton has multiple losses coming their way. Just like P-P would lose in the same fashion if they had to play teams in the top half of the MIAC.
In the end P-P could very well be ranked ahead of them. I'm just saying, based on the body of work as of today, I can understand why people would pick Carleton over P-P through 6 weeks into the season.
1. Better record
2. Better SOS (d3football.com)
3. Better Opp Win %
4. Larger average margin of victory
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
But we will see when they play Bethel, Gustavus and St. John's.
Carleton will not face Bethel unless they manage to beat Concordia, Gustavus, and SJU. It's great to see them doing well, but I see them going 0-3 with that bunch.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
Carlton? Really?? Who have they beaten? I am impressed that this program is undefeated, considering they historically have been one of the weakest teams in MIAC. But we will see when they play Bethel, Gustavus and St. John's. My bet is P-P will smash them next year if they play (as was mentioned on SCIAC/NWC Boards).
Yeah, maybe Carleton hasn't played the greatest competition thus far, but they looked surprisingly good against my Oles this past Saturday. They are clearly trending towards being serious competitors in the MIAC. It will be fun to watch them take care of business against P.P. next year assuming that game ends up happening. As for the remainder of Carleton's season, who knows. They beat Concordia last year. They probably lose 3 games, but it wouldn't shock me to see them surprise some people down the stretch.
Quote from: DuffMan on October 14, 2022, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
But we will see when they play Bethel, Gustavus and St. John's.
Carleton will not face Bethel unless they manage to beat Concordia, Gustavus, and SJU. It's great to see them doing well, but I see them going 0-3 with that bunch.
To be honest, I'd favor Concordia too, but they did beat them last year so it wouldn't be shocking to see them pull out the win and head into Gustavus 7-0.
We'll see, Doolittle. Carleton certainly loses a ton of key players after this fall, but I still don't think they'll get smashed.
Quote from: Ice Bear on October 07, 2022, 02:52:02 PM
The Bear says, IIBHO, LaCrosse, the Johnnies, and the Royals beat Linfield. Ice feels Linfield is too high.
Bluenote says Ice Bear needs a straight shot of BOOZE to clear his head. :o ::) :-*
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on October 14, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
Carlton? Really?? Who have they beaten?
I had the same thought about Linfield, with the caveat that they won't play anyone as good as GAC or SJU for us to really get a sense of them ;) :)
Quote from: hazzben on October 18, 2022, 08:10:43 AM
I had the same thought about Linfield, with the caveat that they won't play anyone as good as GAC or SJU for us to really get a sense of them ;) :)
SHOTS FIRED!!! Now we just need to wait for Bluenote to put down his doobie and respond.
Quote from: Bluenote on October 17, 2022, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on October 07, 2022, 02:52:02 PM
The Bear says, IIBHO, LaCrosse, the Johnnies, and the Royals beat Linfield. Ice feels Linfield is too high.
Bluenote says Ice Bear needs a straight shot of BOOZE to clear his head. :o ::) :-*
Ice Bear says the win over Puget obviously leaves little doubt.
come play off time we'll get to see how good Linfield is won't we.
Quote from: DuffMan on October 18, 2022, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: hazzben on October 18, 2022, 08:10:43 AM
I had the same thought about Linfield, with the caveat that they won't play anyone as good as GAC or SJU for us to really get a sense of them ;) :)
SHOTS FIRED!!! Now we just need to wait for Bluenote to put down his doobie and respond.
Hey I just saw The Doobie Brothers in concert.... Great Show!
Quote from: Bluenote on October 18, 2022, 02:20:23 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on October 18, 2022, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: hazzben on October 18, 2022, 08:10:43 AM
I had the same thought about Linfield, with the caveat that they won't play anyone as good as GAC or SJU for us to really get a sense of them ;) :)
SHOTS FIRED!!! Now we just need to wait for Bluenote to put down his doobie and respond.
Hey I just saw The Doobie Brothers in concert.... Great Show!
Lol, classic
2022 Week 7 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 1 96
2) St. John's 2 78
3) UW-LaCrosse 3 76
4) Linfield (1) 4 74
5) Bethel (1) 5 72
6) UW-River Falls 6 41
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 38
8) UW-Stout 8 23
9) Carleton 10 12
10) Gustavus Adolphus 9 11
Dropped Out: N/A
RV) UW-Platteville (10), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (9), Pomona-Pitzer (7), Pacific Lutheran (2), George Fox (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcar1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) UW-Whitewater (8) 96 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3)
2) St. John's 78 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
3) UW-LaCrosse 76 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
4) Linfield (1) 74 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
5) Bethel (1) 72 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
6) UW-River Falls 41 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
7) UW-Oshkosh 38 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, -)
8) UW-Stout 23 ( 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8,10,10, -, -)
9) Carelton 12 ( 6, 8, 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
10) Gustavus Adolphus 11 ( 8, 9, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 10 ( 6, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9 ( 6, 8,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pomona-Pitzer 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pacific Lutheran 2 (10,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Not a whole lot of change inside the top 10. The 9th and 10th spot flipped flopped, and that's about it. UWW received an additional 1st place vote, while Linfield lost one.
I can't remember a game as early as September 3rd. Going deep south to play a good Huntingdon team in humidity no WILDCAT was used to should have impressed some of you doubters.
???
Looking forward to Carlton having a fair test this weekend. And surprised that UWRF still @ #6, given their loss to Platteville.
I'm high on Linfield, I have them at 3. Undefeated and winning in solid fashion. I have them above SJU.
That spread between 2-5 getting smaller and where to put Linfield appears to be the mystery looking at the last few polls.
Platteville is trending toward upending every other fan poll top 10 opponent which is good news for any anxious and superstitious UWW fans :P.
I think it's really interesting to see UWW w 8 first place votes given their loss to St. John's. It sure speaks to the impressive objectivity of the voters.
I tend to think if I were a voter I'd have UWW one spot below St. John's, and likely both behind Bethel.
Quote from: emma17 on October 21, 2022, 02:42:13 PM
I think it's really interesting to see UWW w 8 first place votes given their loss to St. John's. It sure speaks to the impressive objectivity of the voters.
I tend to think if I were a voter I'd have UWW one spot below St. John's, and likely both behind Bethel.
Thank-you Emma - exactly how I have them on my ballot.
Since SJU lost to bethel, I had Linfield as my #1 team...kind of by default. And I had kept them in my top spot up until last week. that was until UWW beat Oshkosh, and the Warhawks resume became too impressive for me to ignore. So I put them #1 this week for the first time since week 1.
The Beth>SJU>UWW h2h trail makes since. But IMO, if you continue down that road and include UWP, H-S and MHB then that h2h trail just loops back upon itself. So it's tough to say who exactly is better than who. It may have much more to do with who played who at just the right time. UWP got lucky with bethel's QB out, but then UWP's QB was out as well. SJU may have caught a break catching UWW flat early in the season with so many new starters in that week 1 matchup.
Lots of ways to interpret the way the season has gone so far. Kind of glad we have multiple people selecting different #1 teams. It makes it interesting.
Quote from: emma17 on October 21, 2022, 02:42:13 PM
I think it's really interesting to see UWW w 8 first place votes given their loss to St. John's. It sure speaks to the impressive objectivity of the voters.
I tend to think if I were a voter I'd have UWW one spot below St. John's, and likely both behind Bethel.
I don't have any dog in the hunt. Before today, I thought Whitewater was better, even though St. John's beat them and Bethel beat St. John's. Bethel had a blemish too, vs. Platteville, who was reeling.
Reeling no more!
Ok, now what?!?!?!? And not just at the top, where Whitewater loses to a 2-loss (in D3 team) that were trounced in their two losses.
Gustavus gets its third loss
Carleton gets its first loss
Stout loses its 3rd
PLU got destroyed
Platteville will move up - how high?
LAX #1 or St. John's, or Bethel, or Linfield?
Now where? You east Rockies are a tough audience - every year.
Simply move LINFIELD up 4 or 6 places.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 22, 2022, 07:57:52 PM
Now where? You east Rockies are a tough audience - every year.
Simply move LINFIELD up 4 or 6 places.
Doc I'm no pollster and it hurts to say it- but I agree with you.
Thankfully there are playoffs.
And 3 more wins the NCAA would be extra loopy not to award LINFIELD 3 or more home games. Long trip but Oshkosh, St, Thomas, UWW, St. Johns pulled it off.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 23, 2022, 01:22:52 AM
And 3 more wins the NCAA would be extra loopy not to award LINFIELD 3 or more home games. Long trip but Oshkosh, St, Thomas, UWW, St. Johns pulled it off.
Maybe, but the votes are in the midwest. And last year's win over St. John's is long forgotten.
I hope we start scheduling a game every year with a tough Wisconsin or Minnesota team.
GT
Also, this is a fan poll which has zero bearing on anything. Chill. ;)
It may be a fan poll, but we take our voting quite seriously :)
Dang, this week'll be fun. The cool part about the WIAC is you get ton of meaningful games and use them to figure our order and logic. Until you can't.
Meanwhile, Linfield just keeps taking care of business out West.
Quote from: wm4 on October 23, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
Meanwhile, Linfield just keeps taking care of business out West.
Have our hands full next Saturday. We'll see...
Ice Bear feels after the craziness that was yesterday combined with some good football teams beating the **** out of each other, he will be more understanding of the Wildkittens getting the nod at #1 in the fan poll. While Ice still believes Linfield has not done anything to show they are the top team in this region this year, he believes they haven't done anything to not show they are #1 (at this point). They are undefeated, and they have taken care of any business that has been put in front of them. All this, combined with their history, in Ice's mind, warrants that #1 ranking. A ranking that will most definitely be under the microscope come playoff time (assuming the Kittens win out).
Quote from: wm4 on October 23, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
It may be a fan poll, but we take our voting quite seriously :)
Dang, this week'll be fun. The cool part about the WIAC is you get ton of meaningful games and use them to figure our order and logic. Until you can't.
Meanwhile, Linfield just keeps taking care of business out West.
I was surprised to see PLU at 4-2. Bethel (without Roste for all but 3 plays) dismantled them in the opener. The result Saturday confirmed that there's just a chasm between Linfield and the rest of the West Coast teams. We won't know till the playoffs how that compares to the rest of the West. Obviously Linfield typically acquits itself very well come Nov/Dec, but I'm not convinced if you dropped them into the WIAC or MIAC that they are unblemished at this point either. Give them SJU, UWW, or UWP's schedule and if they were unbeaten they'd be a lock for a 1 seed and ranked #1 in the polls.
Scheduling as an island school is tough, but I don't know that I think Linfield (or Wartburg for that matter) are necessarily the best teams in the old West Region . Neither have played a Top 10/15 opponent. Whereas UWW, UWP, UWRF, SJU, Bethel, GAC, UWL all have at least one or multiple games against the top of the old west and new region, and top teams in the nation.
We're Quarter horse chomping at the bit to race.
Huntingdon
Bye
Redlands
Bye
Puget Sound (bye *)
Whitworth
Pacific
PLU
George Fox
Willamette (*)
Lewis and Clark (*)
We've beaten Stevens Point, La Crosse, St
John's, North Central, Mary Hardin Baylor, Hardin Simon's and Pacific Lutheran the year after they won the national title.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 23, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
We're Quarter horse chomping at the bit to race.
Huntingdon
Bye
Redlands
Bye
Puget Sound (bye *)
Whitworth
Pacific
PLU
George Fox
Willamette (*)
Lewis and Clark (*)
We've beaten Stevens Point, La Crosse, St
John's, North Central, Mary Hardin Baylor, Hardin Simon's and Pacific Lutheran the year after they won the national title.
By the way, it's "Champing."
Ah ha, I see.
Quote from: D O.C. on October 23, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
We're Quarter horse chomping at the bit to race.
Huntingdon
Bye
Redlands
Bye
Puget Sound (bye *)
Whitworth
Pacific
PLU
George Fox
Willamette (*)
Lewis and Clark (*)
We've beaten Stevens Point, La Crosse, St
John's, North Central, Mary Hardin Baylor, Hardin Simon's and Pacific Lutheran the year after they won the national title.
Past seasons mean nothing. I don't care about a win over PLU way back when. Linfield's SOS will drop when they play Willamette and L&C, and if Redlands keeps being awful.
BTW, I'm on your side of the Rockies, so hush about the bias...
Quote from: wildcat11 on October 24, 2022, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: smedindy on October 24, 2022, 02:28:52 PM
Past seasons mean nothing.
Bullcrap
It means nothing about this year. 1999 means nothing. This is a different team than 2021.
Of course 1999 doesn't matter. 2014,15,16 doesn't matter
However, a team's playoff performance in 2021 (a past season) can matter.
Quote from: wildcat11 on October 26, 2022, 01:41:56 PM
Of course 1999 doesn't matter. 2014,15,16 doesn't matter
However, a team's playoff performance in 2021 (a past season) can matter.
New team, new year. In reality you can't win this year's games without playing this year's team. There isn't a time machine.
There are program (s) that expect to win and produce consistent teams year after year.
UMU, for example.
Especially with a weaker schedule
2022 Week 8 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (3) 4 70
2) St. John's (2) 2 67
3) UW-LaCrosse (2) 3 64
4) Bethel (1) 5 58
5) UW-Whitewater 1 55
6) UW-River Falls 6 39
7) UW-Platteville - 31
8) UW-Oshkosh 7 25
9) UW-Stout 8 10
10) Pomona-Pitzer - 7
Dropped Out: Carleton, Gustavus Adolphus
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (6), Gustavus Adolphus (4), George Fox (3), Carleton (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot, wartnight, and smedindy.
1) Linfield (3) 70 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 6)
2) St. John's (2) 67 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6)
3) UW-LaCrosse (2) 64 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Bethel (1) 58 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 6)
5) UW-Whitewater 55 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-River Falls 39 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) UW-Oshkosh 25 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, -)
9) UW-Stout 10 ( 7, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Pomona-Pitzer 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carleton 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Short a couple polls this week, but we'll take do. Lots of different opinions on who should be in the top spot with UWW falling.
Quote from: smedindy on October 26, 2022, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on October 26, 2022, 01:41:56 PM
Of course 1999 doesn't matter. 2014,15,16 doesn't matter
However, a team's playoff performance in 2021 (a past season) can matter.
New team, new year. In reality you can't win this year's games without playing this year's team. There isn't a time machine.
This subject is always an interesting debate. Are you ranking for who would beat who or are you ranking on current year record only. I'm on the "use some historical data" side. Returning starters, previous season results head to head and against tougher competition. Programs are important.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 27, 2022, 11:06:23 AM
1) Linfield (3) 70 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 6)
2) St. John's (2) 67 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6)
3) UW-LaCrosse (2) 64 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Bethel (1) 58 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 6)
5) UW-Whitewater 55 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-River Falls 39 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) UW-Oshkosh 25 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, -)
9) UW-Stout 10 ( 7, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Pomona-Pitzer 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carleton 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Linfield is top 5 in the nation...minimum 6-7 at the least. How did someone place them at 6 in the region?
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 29, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 27, 2022, 11:06:23 AM
1) Linfield (3) 70 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 6)
2) St. John's (2) 67 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6)
3) UW-LaCrosse (2) 64 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Bethel (1) 58 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 6)
5) UW-Whitewater 55 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-River Falls 39 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) UW-Oshkosh 25 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, -)
9) UW-Stout 10 ( 7, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Pomona-Pitzer 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carleton 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Linfield is top 5 in the nation...minimum 6-7 at the least. How did someone place them at 6 in the region?
Not sure either. I could see questioning earlier in the season but this 2022 Linfield team is starting to peak and looks really damn good.
Quote from: Cowboy2 on October 29, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 27, 2022, 11:06:23 AM
1) Linfield (3) 70 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 6)
2) St. John's (2) 67 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6)
3) UW-LaCrosse (2) 64 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4)
4) Bethel (1) 58 ( 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 6)
5) UW-Whitewater 55 ( 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-River Falls 39 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8)
7) UW-Platteville 31 ( 5, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, -)
8) UW-Oshkosh 25 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, -)
9) UW-Stout 10 ( 7, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
10) Pomona-Pitzer 7 ( 9, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 6 ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 3 (10,10,10, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carleton 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Linfield is top 5 in the nation...minimum 6-7 at the least. How did someone place them at 6 in the region?
Ice says because they haven't ****ing played anyone. Ice says he agrees that at this point the Wildkittens should be up there, which he bases more on last seasons W over SJU than anything they have done this season. Ice says so far they have taken care of business, which is admittedly all they can do, but IIBHO you can't blame anyone for questioning their strength. A W over George Fox doesn't really do it for most.
Ice says everyone will just have to wait for the playoffs to identify just how good this Kittens team is in relation to the nations best. Ice Bear says meow.
Quote from: Ice Bear on October 30, 2022, 08:15:50 AM
Ice says because they haven't ****ing played anyone. Ice says he agrees that at this point the Wildkittens should be up there, which he bases more on last seasons W over SJU than anything they have done this season. Ice says so far they have taken care of business, which is admittedly all they can do, but IIBHO you can't blame anyone for questioning their strength. A W over George Fox doesn't really do it for most.
Ice says everyone will just have to wait for the playoffs to identify just how good this Kittens team is in relation to the nations best. Ice Bear says meow.
Bluenote says Ice Cream Bear should change his handle to Karen.
Quote from: Bluenote on October 30, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on October 30, 2022, 08:15:50 AM
Ice says because they haven't ****ing played anyone. Ice says he agrees that at this point the Wildkittens should be up there, which he bases more on last seasons W over SJU than anything they have done this season. Ice says so far they have taken care of business, which is admittedly all they can do, but IIBHO you can't blame anyone for questioning their strength. A W over George Fox doesn't really do it for most.
Ice says everyone will just have to wait for the playoffs to identify just how good this Kittens team is in relation to the nations best. Ice Bear says meow.
Bluenote says Ice Cream Bear should change his handle to Karen.
Ice Karen ;D
Those of us in the MIAC believe that Ice Bear is Bethel head coach Steve Johnson's burner account.
Quote from: DuffMan on October 30, 2022, 06:58:08 PM
Those of us in the MIAC believe that Ice Bear is Bethel head coach Steve Johnson's burner account.
LOL!
Quote from: Bluenote on October 30, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on October 30, 2022, 08:15:50 AM
Ice says because they haven't ****ing played anyone. Ice says he agrees that at this point the Wildkittens should be up there, which he bases more on last seasons W over SJU than anything they have done this season. Ice says so far they have taken care of business, which is admittedly all they can do, but IIBHO you can't blame anyone for questioning their strength. A W over George Fox doesn't really do it for most.
Ice says everyone will just have to wait for the playoffs to identify just how good this Kittens team is in relation to the nations best. Ice Bear says meow.
Bluenote says Ice Cream Bear should change his handle to Karen.
+k Blueballs
Ice Bear says he'd seriously consider this suggestion but he is too busy preparing for his upcoming meeting as President of his neighborhoods Gardening and Outlook Association. This afternoon we tackle the real issue at hand, one that is much more important that any Wildpussy ranking or SOS debate. The neighborhood shrubbery continues to be trimmed 4 inches below standard each month. Ice says if this continues there will be hell to pay...now Ice is off to the spa to prepare for the remainder of his very difficult non-working day...
Quote from: Ice Bear on October 31, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
+k Blueballs
Ice Bear says he'd seriously consider this suggestion but he is too busy preparing for his upcoming meeting as President of his neighborhoods Gardening and Outlook Association. This afternoon we tackle the real issue at hand, one that is much more important that any Wildpussy ranking or SOS debate. The neighborhood shrubbery continues to be trimmed 4 inches below standard each month. Ice says if this continues there will be hell to pay...now Ice is off to the spa to prepare for the remainder of his very difficult non-working day...
LOL... OK Ice Karen... don't for get to tell everyone in the neighborhood when to cut their toenails and take a dump.... I'm sure you're great at those tasks.
Huntingdon isn't a 'nobody'. Neither is Whitworth nor George Fox.
Quote from: smedindy on October 31, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
Huntingdon isn't a 'nobody'. Neither is Whitworth nor George Fox.
Ice Bear says settle down, try and catch your breath...you are missing his point...and humor (which he doesn't blame you for). Ice says all of the programs you mentioned are very nice programs. Ice Bear asks...very politely...would any of those three teams most likely defeat any of Region 6's top 5 teams? Is a W over George Fox the same as a W over SJU or UWW? Huntingdon may hold some water in this discussion...
Of course not, you third person yakker. A win over George Fox isn't the same as a win over Whitewater, but it doesn't mean they're nobodies.
Linfield could hold their own against St. John's, Bethel, or LaCrosse. And they don't have a blemish on their record.
Well I asked the question prior to the GF win this weekend. Prior to that the cats beat A good Huntingdon program by 7 on the road early in the season...When comparing common scores Huntingdon beat BSC by 3 who then lost to Trinity by 3 on end of game heroics. Just saying...did someone really view them that low in the region or was there another means to the placement on the listing I'm unaware of. Yes, the WIAC is good and all. It shows this year where everyone is beating each other. I mean shockingly UWW is two bounces away from being .500 and every other UW team was pretty much in control of the driver seat through last weekend. I get R6 has Bethel and STJ in there too. However, my point was how someone placed them 6 on their ballot in the region...not the division! Each to their own. That's why it's a Fan Poll.
Quote from: smedindy on November 01, 2022, 01:38:09 AM
Of course not, you third person yakker. A win over George Fox isn't the same as a win over Whitewater, but it doesn't mean they're nobodies.
Linfield could hold their own against St. John's, Bethel, or LaCrosse. And they don't have a blemish on their record.
Ice Karen Third Person Yakker Bear has already said/acknowledged this many times. ;)
Quote from: Cowboy2 on November 01, 2022, 02:02:06 AM
I get R6 has Bethel and STJ in there too. However, my point was how someone placed them 6 on their ballot in the region...not the division! Each to their own. That's why it's a Fan Poll.
I don't vote (too busy to do it each week), and I wouldn't put Linfield 6 in Region 6 fwiw. But it's not an insane bit of logic that thinks "I'm not sure Linfield would beat all those top WIAC schools." I think the actual committee will have them at #1 given their record when rankings come out, and there's certainly an argument for that.
Quote from: smedindy on October 31, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
Huntingdon isn't a 'nobody'. Neither is Whitworth nor George Fox.
I don't disagree with your overall point...but 2022 Whitworth is a poor example (IMO).
2022 Week 9 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (3) 2 89
2) Linfield (3) 1 85
3) Bethel (2) 4 79
4) UW-LaCrosse (2) 3 77
5) UW-Whitewater 5 69
6) UW-River Falls 6 46
7) UW-Stout 9 32
8) UW-Oshkosh 8 27
9) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - 18
10) UW-Platteville 7 11
Dropped Out: Pomona-Pitzer
RV) Gustavus Adolphus (9), George Fox (6), Redlands (2)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcat1, Retired Old Rat, TwoArmedScot, wartknight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) St. John's (3) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4)
2) Linfield (3) 85 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 6)
3) Bethel (2) 79 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5)
4) UW-LaCrosse (2) 77 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) UW-Whitewater 69 ( 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-River Falls 46 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 9)
7) UW-Stout 32 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10)
8) UW-Oshkosh 27 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9,10, -, -)
9) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 18 ( 6, 8, 8, 9,10,10,10,10,10, -)
10) UW-Platteville 11 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 9 ( 9, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 6 ( 7, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Interesting. Thanks for investing the time all! I don't think Linfield should be as low (or CMS as high) as #6 in the region...but it's all good.
I had CMS 8, George Fox 9 and Oshkosh 10th. LAX, WW, RF, and Stout in a row from 4 to 7.
I had Linfield 3 and CMS not rated. Linfield at 6 is an agenda for someone. I had Bethel at 1.
Have you all considered alpha order of this poll (like the regional rankings) so no one gets hurt feelings?
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 02, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
I had Linfield 3 and CMS not rated. Linfield at 6 is an agenda for someone. I had Bethel at 1.
You got that right . ::)
I had linfield 1 Beth 2 as don Williams sings. Right is right and left is Wrong. :-*
Go Cats
Go Big D
8-)
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 02, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
I had Linfield 3 and CMS not rated. Linfield at 6 is an agenda for someone. I had Bethel at 1.
Ice Bear says he would have Linfield at 3 and no lower than 4. Ice understands arguments for having the Wildkittens anywhere from 1-4. Ice says 6???admittedly at this point, too low for an undefeated team with a W over SJU in the playoffs only a year ago. Ice Bear says the more this season goes on the more he becomes curious about Linfield. Ice certainly respects the passion of their supporters on the board and feels their excitement about the potential of this team. Ice says he shall see. He's definitely rooting for the Kittens to finish the season running the table and getting into the playoffs.
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 02, 2022, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 02, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
I had Linfield 3 and CMS not rated. Linfield at 6 is an agenda for someone. I had Bethel at 1.
Ice Bear says he would have Linfield at 3 and no lower than 4. Ice understands arguments for having the Wildkittens anywhere from 1-4. Ice says 6???admittedly at this point, too low for an undefeated team with a W over SJU in the playoffs only a year ago. Ice Bear says the more this season goes on the more he becomes curious about Linfield. Ice certainly respects the passion of their supporters on the board and feels their excitement about the potential of this team. Ice says he shall see. He's definitely rooting for the Kittens to finish the season running the table and getting into the playoffs.
Amazing what a week does
Quote from: Bluenote on November 02, 2022, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 02, 2022, 09:14:52 PM
Ice Bear says he would have Linfield at 3 and no lower than 4. Ice understands arguments for having the Wildkittens anywhere from 1-4. Ice says 6???admittedly at this point, too low for an undefeated team with a W over SJU in the playoffs only a year ago. Ice Bear says the more this season goes on the more he becomes curious about Linfield. Ice certainly respects the passion of their supporters on the board and feels their excitement about the potential of this team. Ice says he shall see. He's definitely rooting for the Kittens to finish the season running the table and getting into the playoffs.
Ice Karen... I'm sorry I don't know your team affiliation.... could you inform us? At that point I guess I'll have to start making up derogatory names for them (Wildkittens, etc.)... you probably don't have a very large brain but maybe when you realize why you're a dumb **** and we start making up names for you... you're pee size brain might get informed? So what's your team... ?
Union, I believe.
Really? LOL! I'm sorry..... :'(
Lighten up, Francis.
Ice contributes across many boards. The nickname for our team was meant to draw you out.
I'm not making up any names for them... too boring... :-X
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 02, 2022, 11:54:47 AM
1) St. John's (3) 89 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4)
2) Linfield (3) 85 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 6)
3) Bethel (2) 79 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5)
4) UW-LaCrosse (2) 77 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) UW-Whitewater 69 ( 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) UW-River Falls 46 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 9)
7) UW-Stout 32 ( 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10)
8) UW-Oshkosh 27 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9,10, -, -)
9) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 18 ( 6, 8, 8, 9,10,10,10,10,10, -)
10) UW-Platteville 11 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 9 ( 9, 9, 9,10,10,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) George Fox 6 ( 7, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Redlands 2 ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Take a snapshot of these rankings...gotta be a first. 4 teams receiving 1st place votes, and split just about as evenly as you can among them. One voter's #1, is another voter's #6. And SIX teams from one conference in the top 10.
The WIAC circle of craziness looks like it'll continue until the last week of the season. For now, I have it as UWW (3), UWO (6), UWS (7), UWP (8) and UWRF (9)
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
...but on a two-game win streak! ;)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 02, 2022, 05:45:18 PM
I had Linfield 3 and CMS not rated. Linfield at 6 is an agenda for someone. I had Bethel at 1.
Agree. Linfield at 6th in Region 6 is CRAZY
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 03, 2022, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
So is CMS. They're blowing out teams Redlands lost to, and have only one loss on the year - by just 5 points ;)
Quote from: Bluenote on November 02, 2022, 10:59:31 PM
Really? LOL! I'm sorry..... :'(
Ice hears you Blue :D, especially after the loss last week at Hobart. Ice and his fellow Union lovers were hoping Union was going to be the top dog in the LL. Ice says the loss last week proves they are not.
Ice wishes you more enjoyable end of the season than what is most likely in store for his beloved Garnet. Linfield may just be in that top tier. Ice wishes you luck.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
So is CMS. They're blowing out teams Redlands lost to, and have only one loss on the year - by just 5 points ;)
They will play each other for the title, and we will see. My money is on Redlands. They have tradition and are putting it all together at the right time.
Quote from: Ice Bear on November 03, 2022, 05:34:33 PM
Ice hears you Blue :D, especially after the loss last week at Hobart. Ice and his fellow Union lovers were hoping Union was going to be the top dog in the LL. Ice says the loss last week proves they are not.
Ice wishes you more enjoyable end of the season than what is most likely in store for his beloved Garnet. Linfield may just be in that top tier. Ice wishes you luck.
Understandable and Thank you... !
Damn WIAC makes it hard to fill out a ballot.
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 03, 2022, 06:06:40 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
So is CMS. They're blowing out teams Redlands lost to, and have only one loss on the year - by just 5 points ;)
They will play each other for the title, and we will see. My money is on Redlands. They have tradition and are putting it all together at the right time.
CMS should have your attention now. Their rampage continues...
42-0 over Redlands :o
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
So is CMS. They're blowing out teams Redlands lost to, and have only one loss on the year - by just 5 points ;)
They will play each other for the title, and we will see. My money is on Redlands. They have tradition and are putting it all together at the right time.
CMS should have your attention now. Their rampage continues...
42-0 over Redlands :o
In the immortal words of Denny Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w)" ;D
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
So is CMS. They're blowing out teams Redlands lost to, and have only one loss on the year - by just 5 points ;)
They will play each other for the title, and we will see. My money is on Redlands. They have tradition and are putting it all together at the right time.
CMS should have your attention now. Their rampage continues...
42-0 over Redlands :o
No doubt that CMS is the best team in the SCIAC this year and should beat P-P by 20 on Saturday. They are strong on both sides of the field, have great special teams, and the best rb in SCIAC.
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 03, 2022, 01:16:09 PM
Redlands was surprising me, in the 9 spot no less.
Just 3 wins on the year.
Redlands loses are very close games, and the team is playing excellent football right now. They are my pick to win the SCIAC with the current play of teams.
So is CMS. They're blowing out teams Redlands lost to, and have only one loss on the year - by just 5 points ;)
They will play each other for the title, and we will see. My money is on Redlands. They have tradition and are putting it all together at the right time.
CMS should have your attention now. Their rampage continues...
42-0 over Redlands :o
No doubt that CMS is the best team in the SCIAC this year and should beat P-P by 20 on Saturday. They are strong on both sides of the field, have great special teams, and the best rb in SCIAC.
I can understand why CMS looks like a 20 pt favorite but this is a unique rivalry game (Peace Pipe) between two teams that take a five minute walk between stadiums each year to face off. CMS should have won this game dang near every year going way back yet PP has held their own. Just going back to 2015 each team owns a 3-3 record in this game. In that time span point differential is PP 67 CMS 63 all games close until the end with exception of last year with PP controlling with 24-10 solid win. In conference going in last year PP was 2-4 and CMS was 4-2. They played non conference game earlier and CMS won 25-3. This IMO is by far the best rivalry game year in and year out in the SCIAC and rarely disappoints....l may have just talked myself into making the 100 mile drive each way to catch this one.
That's a great little bit of intel/context for rest of the region CalCat, thanks for sharing that.
So where is the poll? Or have you guys pooped out and got lazy....?
Struggling to round up polls as the regular season is coming to an end. I'll post what I have tomorrow, regardless.
Still waiting on 3.
Well Linfield is # 1 whatever you say! :-X
2022 Week 10 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) Linfield (3) 2 65
2) St. John's (2) 1 59
3) Bethel (1) 3 54
4) UW-LaCrosse (1) 4 51
5) UW-Whitewater 5 47
6) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 9 29
7) UW-Oshkosh 8 23
8) UW-River Falls 6 22
9) UW-Stout 7 11
10) George Fox - 10
Dropped Out: UW-Platteville
RV) UW-Platteville (8), Gustavus Adolphus (4), Augsburg (1), Pomona-Pitzer (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, art76, desertcat1, wartknight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) Linfield (3) 65 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3)
2) St. John's (2) 59 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5)
3) Bethel (1) 54 ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5)
4) UW-LaCrosse (1) 51 ( 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6)
5) UW-Whitewater 47 ( 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5)
6) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 29 ( 2, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9)
7) UW-Oshkosh 23 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, -)
8) UW-River Falls 22 ( 6, 6, 6, 6,10,10, -)
9) UW-Stout 11 ( 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) George Fox 10 ( 7, 7, 9, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 8 ( 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -)
RV) Gustavus Adolphus 4 ( 9, 9, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Augsburg 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pomona-Pitzer 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Smaller sample size this week, but woah some wide views on teams.
St John's and Bethel, 1-5
LaCrosse 1-6
CMS 2-9
I'm all in on LaCrosse, really like their season and how they're playing, they impress me and I think are under the radar in the region. Sure they lost the head to head with UWW, but it was a super close game and they've been the most consistent WIAC team in my view.
Really cool to see CMS pulling away in the SCIAC.
Only one week left, so fellow voters, please get your ballots in early so 02 Warhawk can get 'em out.
Hard for me to see St. Johns ranked 4th or 5th? I can see Linfield on top, but SOS is weaker that the MIAC or Wisconsin schools. CMS is real this year. We will see how they fair Saturday against P-P, but I think they should win big, despite the rivalry spirited game it will be.
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Are you suggesting that Linfield has a stronger SOS, or that CMS will lose to P-P?
https://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4550.msg2060069#msg2060069
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Are you suggesting that Linfield has a stronger SOS, or that CMS will lose to P-P?
I think he's questioning your "CMS is real" comment. None of us doubt they will beat P-P.
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Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Are you suggesting that Linfield has a stronger SOS, or that CMS will lose to P-P?
I think he's questioning your "CMS is real" comment. None of us doubt they will beat P-P.
Come on boys ! Like " my moneys on Redlands". =. 42 0
That's just one of many dumb a— things .
How much money did you lose .? Not bets on here . 8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D 8-) :-*
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Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 10, 2022, 01:11:20 PM
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Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Are you suggesting that Linfield has a stronger SOS, or that CMS will lose to P-P?
I think he's questioning your "CMS is real" comment. None of us doubt they will beat P-P.
So I made a wrong prediction when Redlands had a disappointing defeat. I am only stating what I see. I have watched every CMS, Chapman, Redlands and CLU game this season, and CMS is good on both sides of the game and have exceptional special teams. We will see what happens when they likely play Linfield in the playoffs. Notice you had nothing to say about Linfield SOS?
Come on boys ! Like " my moneys on Redlands". =. 42 0
That's just one of many dumb a— things .
How much money did you lose .? Not bets on here . 8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D 8-) :-*
CMS can win the SCIAC running away...but that doesn't mean they are #2 in the region (per one voter). Wow!
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Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Are you suggesting that Linfield has a stronger SOS, or that CMS will lose to P-P?
I think he's questioning your "CMS is real" comment. None of us doubt they will beat P-P.
So I made a wrong prediction when Redlands had a disappointing defeat. I am only stating what I see. I have watched every CMS, Chapman, Redlands and CLU game this season, and CMS is good on both sides of the game and have exceptional special teams. We will see what happens when they likely play Linfield in the playoffs. Notice you had nothing to say about Linfield SOS?
Come on boys ! Like " my moneys on Redlands". =. 42 0
That's just one of many dumb a— things .
How much money did you lose .? Not bets on here . 8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D 8-) :-*
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Dr d my boy, FYI , right now Linfield has the # 2 sos of all the #1 seeds. Smoke that dr. :P :-*
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 06:02:56 PM
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Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: Dr. Doolittle on November 10, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 10, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
Do you know how many times the year you have been completely WRONG? :P
I am not keeping track. But clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Enjoy! :)
Are you suggesting that Linfield has a stronger SOS, or that CMS will lose to P-P?
I think he's questioning your "CMS is real" comment. None of us doubt they will beat P-P.
So I made a wrong prediction when Redlands had a disappointing defeat. I am only stating what I see. I have watched every CMS, Chapman, Redlands and CLU game this season, and CMS is good on both sides of the game and have exceptional special teams. We will see what happens when they likely play Linfield in the playoffs. Notice you had nothing to say about Linfield SOS?
Come on boys ! Like " my moneys on Redlands". =. 42 0
That's just one of many dumb a— things .
How much money did you lose .? Not bets on here . 8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D 8-) :-*
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Dr d my boy, FYI , right now Linfield has the # 2 sos of all the #1 seeds. Smoke that dr. :P :-*
Dang----Grandpa Wildcat is feeling Salty today. Careful friend--you might get one of those "well intention" unsportsmanlike penalties ;D ;D ;D
As my good buddy GHC would say :D
" phone it in " :P :-*
"Two wrongs don't make it right"
" right is right (NWC)and LEFT is wrong" (sciac)
Cal who? :P :o ::)
Go Cats
Go Big D 8-)
;D
Hats off to all who have severed. 8-)
We could be speaking something other than English.
Thank you all. :-* 8-)
Is it just me or do others find it challenging to understand what some of the Linfield fans are saying?
Yes- THANK YOU to all who served our country.
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 11, 2022, 08:33:08 AM
Hats off to all who have severed. 8-)
We could be speaking something other than English.
Thank you all. :-* 8-)
Actually, for the most part you ARE speaking something other than English. But that's another discussion....
I agree with you and all who say today and every day:
Thank you all who serve and have served!!
Quote from: emma17 on November 11, 2022, 10:48:16 AM
Is it just me or do others find it challenging to understand what some of the Linfield fans are saying?
Yes- THANK YOU to all who served our country.
I'm a Linfield fan and I agree with you Emma! I've learned to translate certain posters over the years (and to speak in code when needed). ;D
Quote from: emma17 on November 11, 2022, 10:48:16 AM
Is it just me or do others find it challenging to understand what some of the Linfield fans are saying?
MonroviaCat can be rather cryptic but since I wear a tin foil hat and have a couple stiff ones I understand it all.
I'm the only sane one on the board.
Quote from: criswyly on November 11, 2022, 07:14:54 PM
I'm the only sane one on the board.
You're also the only one that rides a Yak.
Yeah, let's just overlook the 'booties' remark.
Quote from: D O.C. on November 11, 2022, 09:38:37 PM
Yeah, let's just overlook the 'booties' remark.
... and then there is DOC... every time he posts I have no idea what he's talking about. I think he lives in a different reality.
I think it might have something to do with the fact that he actually had a pet monkey in his dorm room. This was before they allowed "security pets"
Hmm. I captured a mouse in the garage using a humane trap with a bit of peanut butter.
The nerve of some people. 8-)
I'm not kidding about the monkey. I couldn't believe it either.
Quote from: emma17 on November 11, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Hmm. I captured a mouse in the garage using a humane trap with a bit of peanut butter.
Did it leave a brown stain on your cheese head hat? :'(
That's what barn cats are for. ;D
Go Cats
Go Big D
:-*
Quote from: MonroviaCat on November 11, 2022, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 11, 2022, 10:48:16 AM
Is it just me or do others find it challenging to understand what some of the Linfield fans are saying?
Yes- THANK YOU to all who served our country.
I'm a Linfield fan and I agree with you Emma! I've learned to translate certain posters over the years (and to speak in code when needed). ;D
Some well never understand "grasshopper " :'( :P
Go Cats
Go Big D
8-) :-*
2022 Week 11 Region 6 Fan Poll
Rank Team Previous Points
1) St. John's (5) 2 82
2) Linfield (3) 1 80
3t) UW-LaCrosse (1) 4 69
3t) UW-Whitewater 5 69
5) Bethel 3 55
6) UW-River Falls 8 34
7) UW-Oshkosh 7 30
8) George Fox 10 22
9) Pomona-Pitzer - 21
10) Gustavus Adolphus - 12
Dropped Out: Claremont Mudd Scripps, UW-Stout
RV) UW-Platteville (11), Claremont Mudd Scripps (5), UW-Stout (3), Pac Lutheran (1), Carleton (1)
Thanks to all those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, colinsteinke, art76, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot, wartknight, Dr. Doolittle and smedindy.
1) St. John's (5) 82 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 4)
2) Linfield (2) 80 ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3t) UW-LaCrosse (1) 69 ( 1, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5)
3t) UW-Whitewater 69 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5)
5) Bethel 55 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7)
6) UW-River Falls 34 ( 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 9, -)
7) UW-Oshkosh 30 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7,10, -)
8) George Fox 22 ( 2, 6, 8, 8, 9, -, -, -, -)
9) Pomona-Pitzer 21 ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 9,10,10, -, -)
10) Gustavus Adolphus 12 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10,10, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Platteville 11 ( 8, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -, -, -)
RV) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 5 ( 8, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) UW-Stout 3 ( 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Pac Lutheran 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV) Carleton 1 (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Who's putting Fox at 2???
They're a solid squad but come on, man.
Probably the same person who had CMS at 2 before they lost?
West coast!
Quote from: colinsteinke on November 16, 2022, 03:00:03 PM
Probably the same person who had CMS at 2 before they lost?
This I can confirm. But I'll leave it up to the individual to take credit for it if they choose.
My final entry
1. Linfield
2. SJU
3. UWW
4. UWL
5. Bethel
6. UWRF
7. UWO
8. Gustavus
9. George Fox
10. Pomona
I put a lot of stock into H2H, more so than results based on same opponent(s). 3-5 were very hard for me. Both Bethel and UWW lost to the same 2 teams. Bethel has a signature win over SJU (first meeting) while UWW has their signature win over MHB. Overall, UWW had the tougher road (and they beat UWL in LaCrosse), so I settled with #3 UWW, #4 UWL and #5 Bethel. Really splitting hairs with those three.
I nailed the top seven in order as 02 has them listed from the poll results - my final three were Pomona-Pitzer, UW Platteville and Gustavus - in that order.
Quote from: wildcat11 on November 16, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
Who's putting Fox at 2???
They're a solid squad but come on, man.
Agree that is NUTZ! I had them at 9 or 10 I believe.
Quote from: wildcat11 on November 16, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
Who's putting Fox at 2???
They're a solid squad but come on, man.
Ice concurs and he is genuinely interested in the reasoning behind this placement. Ice respects anyone taking part in the poll and often enjoys the explanations. He'd really like to hear this one.
As would I, Ice.
They played one good team and lost to them by 27. Also lost to a Pac Lutheran team who's barely over .500.
To each their own I guess.
My final entry
1 LaCrosse
2 Linfield
3 Whitewater
4 St Johns
5 Bethel
6 River Falls
7 Oshkosh
8 Fox
9 Gustavus
10 Platteville
My final
1. SJU
2. Linfield
3. UW-Lax
4. UWW
5. Bethel
6. River Falls
7. Osh Kosh
8. Platteville
9. UW-Stout
10. Gustavus
I may live in Washington State but I'm not daft:
1. Linfield
2. St. John's
3. UW _ LaCrosse
4. UW - Whitewater
5. Bethel
6. George Fox
7. UW - River Falls
8. Gustavis Adolphus
9. Pomona Pitzer
10. Carleton
And I misspelled Gustavus...
And yes, I punted on the Stout / Oshkosh / Platteville tangle.
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Committee lost it again ALL TWO LOSS TEAMS LOST BUT ONE, maybe next week :P
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Committee lost it again ALL TWO LOSS TEAMS LOST BUT ONE, maybe next week :P
Not great at math but I believe there is a 100% guarantee you'll see one winner and one loser when they're matched against each other. Remaining 4 2-loss teams were AQ???
Quote from: SJU13 on November 19, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Committee lost it again ALL TWO LOSS TEAMS LOST BUT ONE, maybe next week :P
Not great at math but I believe there is a 100% guarantee you'll see one winner and one loser when they're matched against each other. Remaining 4 2-loss teams were AQ???
The committee does NOT PICK THE AQ's I stand by my math. Pool b's only silly boy , yes I agree the only reason someone has to win c vs c. :-*
Sounds good https://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#1
1. How are the Division III football playoffs set up?
For 2022: Automatic bids to go the champions of 27 conferences.
There will be zero bids set aside solely for Pool B teams, that is, teams who are independents or in conferences without automatic bids. (Only one team exists in 2022.)
The remaining five bids are at-large bids, commonly referred to as Pool C.
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 20, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: SJU13 on November 19, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Committee lost it again ALL TWO LOSS TEAMS LOST BUT ONE, maybe next week :P
Not great at math but I believe there is a 100% guarantee you'll see one winner and one loser when they're matched against each other. Remaining 4 2-loss teams were AQ???
The committee does NOT PICK THE AQ's I stand by my math. Pool b's only silly boy , yes I agree the only reason someone has to win c vs c. :-*
Desert- you're wrong.
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2022, 07:52:21 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 20, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: SJU13 on November 19, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Committee lost it again ALL TWO LOSS TEAMS LOST BUT ONE, maybe next week :P
Not great at math but I believe there is a 100% guarantee you'll see one winner and one loser when they're matched against each other. Remaining 4 2-loss teams were AQ???
The committee does NOT PICK THE AQ's I stand by my math. Pool b's only silly boy , yes I agree the only reason someone has to win c vs c. :-*
Desert- you're wrong.
I don't even understand what he's saying
Nor do I. ???
I volunteer with the homeless on the weekends, often interpreting the uninterpretable as I try to clean Melbourne's fair streets. Let me interpret for you like June Cleaver and the brothers in Airplane.
DC is saying that the committee doesn't select AQ's as they select themselves. The committee only selects at-large bids. Now we would call those Pool C selections, but DC is saving time and showing the alphabet respect by calling them Pool B and reusing the earlier letter.
Of the at-large bids, the committee selected two two-loss teams. And one of those two-loss teams lost. The circumstances of that loss are immaterial to his point, which is that only half the two-loss teams which the committee selected advanced. His math is correct. QED.
Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow.
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 20, 2022, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 20, 2022, 07:52:21 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 20, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: SJU13 on November 19, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 19, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
WIAC was over rated this year , ;D
So and so beat so and so ? So WHat, :-*
Go Cats. It's roasted sagehens for t-day :P :-*
Committee lost it again ALL TWO LOSS TEAMS LOST BUT ONE, maybe next week :P
Not great at math but I believe there is a 100% guarantee you'll see one winner and one loser when they're matched against each other. Remaining 4 2-loss teams were AQ???
The committee does NOT PICK THE AQ's I stand by my math. Pool b's only silly boy , yes I agree the only reason someone has to win c vs c. :-*
Desert- you're wrong.
I don't even understand what he's saying
I wouldn't understand it even it were in English.
Oops! Oz just translated it into Aussie so I think I got it.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 20, 2022, 08:57:19 PM
I volunteer with the homeless on the weekends, often interpreting the uninterpretable as I try to clean Melbourne's fair streets. Let me interpret for you like June Cleaver and the brothers in Airplane.
DC is saying that the committee doesn't select AQ's as they select themselves. The committee only selects at-large bids. Now we would call those Pool C selections, but DC is saving time and showing the alphabet respect by calling them Pool B and reusing the earlier letter.
Of the at-large bids, the committee selected two two-loss teams. And one of those two-loss teams lost. The circumstances of that loss are immaterial to his point, which is that only half the two-loss teams which the committee selected advanced. His math is correct. QED.
Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow.
Ha. And I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
So, 02, what's the skinny on Bullis retiring? Do you or anybody closer to the program have anything to add?
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/11/bullis-announces-retirement
Quote from: art76 on November 22, 2022, 01:35:36 PM
So, 02, what's the skinny on Bullis retiring? Do you or anybody closer to the program have anything to add?
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/11/bullis-announces-retirement
Jump over to the WIAC board...plenty going on there ;)
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 22, 2022, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: art76 on November 22, 2022, 01:35:36 PM
So, 02, what's the skinny on Bullis retiring? Do you or anybody closer to the program have anything to add?
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/11/bullis-announces-retirement
Jump over to the WIAC board...plenty going on there ;)
Yep - been there, done that. Appreciated your posts there. Thought maybe some of the rest of Region 6 might have something to say.
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 20, 2022, 08:57:19 PM
I volunteer with the homeless on the weekends, often interpreting the uninterpretable as I try to clean Melbourne's fair streets. Let me interpret for you like June Cleaver and the brothers in Airplane.
DC is saying that the committee doesn't select AQ's as they select themselves. The committee only selects at-large bids. Now we would call those Pool C selections, but DC is saving time and showing the alphabet respect by calling them Pool B and reusing the earlier letter.
Of the at-large bids, the committee selected two two-loss teams. And one of those two-loss teams lost. The circumstances of that loss are immaterial to his point, which is that only half the two-loss teams which the committee selected advanced. His math is correct. QED.
Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow.
It really wasn't that hard. 8-) :-*
Duff was just hit in the helmet one to many time . ;D
Cheese heads are still in shock. :'(
Go Cats
Go Big D
:-*
Gonna kick this off again this year, right after week one. We'll probably have a couple openings if anyone is interested in joining.
If so, please let me know.
Thanks!
Not looking good this year. Only got 3 entrees (4 including myself).
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 07, 2023, 03:20:00 PM
Not looking good this year. Only got 3 entrees (4 including myself).
Please explain what needs to be done.
George
Quote from: George Thompson on September 07, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 07, 2023, 03:20:00 PM
Not looking good this year. Only got 3 entrees (4 including myself).
Please explain what needs to be done.
George
Having issues with viewing my "sent" file. You rec'd mine, correct?
Quote from: wartknight on September 07, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: George Thompson on September 07, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 07, 2023, 03:20:00 PM
Not looking good this year. Only got 3 entrees (4 including myself).
Please explain what needs to be done.
George
Having issues with viewing my "sent" file. You rec'd mine, correct?
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No, have seen nothing. Sorry.
George
Thinking of hanging it up. Participation is on the decline, getting only 4-5 polls this week. Plus I'm a little burnt out on tallying all the scores, and tracking people down, each week over the past 8 years.
If anyone else wants to take the reigns, i'll be happy to send them the spreadsheet I use. As well as all the polls I got so far for Week 1 this year.
What the heck....here's my top 10 after 2 weeks
After Week 2
1 Whitewater
2 La Crosse
3 St Johns
4 River Falls
5 Bethel
6 Linfield
7 Oshkosh
8 Gustavus
9 Platteville
10 Stout
Quote from: wm4 on September 13, 2023, 12:21:23 PM
What the heck....here's my top 10 after 2 weeks
After Week 2
1 Whitewater
2 La Crosse
3 St Johns
4 River Falls
5 Bethel
6 Linfield
7 Oshkosh
8 Gustavus
9 Platteville
10 Stout
Nice job putting this out there wm4, +k. We won't know much about Linfield until their 10/14 game against George Fox. The Wildcats are just a top notch program year in and year out however it's usually tough to tell where their place sits within the elite. To me, they are always right there. Well, let the speculation begin. :)
Wheaton not listed?
Quote from: Ice Bear on September 13, 2023, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: wm4 on September 13, 2023, 12:21:23 PM
What the heck....here's my top 10 after 2 weeks
After Week 2
1 Whitewater
2 La Crosse
3 St Johns
4 River Falls
5 Bethel
6 Linfield
7 Oshkosh
8 Gustavus
9 Platteville
10 Stout
Nice job putting this out there wm4, +k. We won't know much about Linfield until their 10/14 game against George Fox. The Wildcats are just a top notch program year in and year out however it's usually tough to tell where their place sits within the elite. To me, they are always right there. Well, let the speculation begin. :)
Sooooo early in the season, and looking forward to this week's games.
What the heck...here are my Top 10, Region 6, after first month
1 Whitewater
2 River Falls
3 St John's
4 LaCrosse
5 Linfield
6 Oshkosh
7 Bethel
8 Platteville
9 Whitworth
10 Redlands