I'll post the regional rankings this week... Way to go Eagles!
Atlantic Region
1 Mount St. Mary (New York) 19-1 21-1
2 Staten Island 19-2 22-2
3 The College of New Jersey 17-2 20-3
4 Mary Washington 14-3 18-5
5 Catholic 17-5 17-6
6 Farmingdale 15-3 17-4
...and Cardinals! CUA and MW split this year...but CUA won more recently and on the road...should be a good battle for the Championship!
Goucher 39
St. Mary's (MD) 79
Senior forward/center Kathryn Bozarth led the Seahawks with the 23 points and 13 rebounds on Senior Night. Freshman guard Megan Uglik added 18 points on 6-of-7 shooting, including a perfect 3-3 from downtown. Senior forward Amanda Polidoro had a memorable Senior Night of her own with 13 points, seven assists, and six rebounds.
For the Gophers, junior guard Stacy Hollander scored seven points with four rebounds. Sophomore forward Maura Fair and junior forward Kimberly Gordy each added six points and four rebounds. Swan finished with five points and two steals in the contest.
The Seahawks clinch a first round CAC tournament home contest with the victory.
Final from DC:
YCP 79-Gallaudet 61
Heather Kessler finished the game going 11-for-24 from the floor, 6-for-14 from distance, and 8-for-10 from the charity stripe en route to her career-high 36 points. Kessler also recorded six assists, four steals, and three rebounds. Ashley Robertson added nine points and a game-high 13 rebounds while Jess Kemp and Heidi Miller each contributed nine points to the Spartan attack. Sophomore Sarah Lyttle added eight points and eight boards for the green and white.
Jovin Dinkel led the Bison with 15 points while she also had six assists and four rebounds. Johanna Karmgard added 14 points, eight rebounds, three assists, and three blocked shots while Priscilla Biskupiak recorded a double-double with 11 points and 10 rebounds. Charity Sanders was the fourth Bison in double figures with 10 points while she also had five rebounds, five steals, three assists, and two blocked shots. Victoria Crockett contributed 10 rebounds, six points, and four assists to the Bison cause.
Final from YCP:
UMW 65-YCP 59
First Round of CAC Tournament...
#5 Salisbury 71 (14-12)
#4 St. Mary's 56 (14-11)
#2 CATHOLIC 86
#7 GALLAUDET 61
Catholic wins its 14th in a row and improves to 20-6.
UMW 67, YCP 54
Debbie Bruen scored 14 points and added ten rebounds and five assists to propel the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 67-54 victory over York College of PA on Tuesday night in Capital Athletic Conference tournament quarterfinal action. The Eagles who won their twentieth game in a season for just the fourth time ever, will visit Catholic University on Thursday at 6 pm in the CAC semifinals.
the CAC tournament game between the UMW Eagles And CUA Cards has been postponed until Fri. 2/25/05 due the weather conditions... Time to be determined. AShould be a very good game to watch as these two teams spilt during the reg season... Hope to see you all there at the CUA DuFour center
I'm pulling for Gen Olds and The Salisbury Sea Gulls to go out on top for her senior year.
UMW 54, CUA 51
The University of Mary Washington women's basketball team survived a late 19-0 run to defeat Catholic University, 54-51, on Friday night in Capital Athletic Conference semifinal action at the DuFour Center. The win, which is UMW's 21st of the season, ties the school record for wins in a season, and sends the Eagles back to the CAC title game for the first time since 1998.
Nice job Eagles! Keep your season going with a win on Sunday.
Salisbury Sea Gulls shocked top seeded Marymount 67-57 to avance to the championship game aganist the UMW Eagles.
The Sea Gulls are peaking at just the right time.
Halftime from UMW...
UMW 44, Salisbury 33
Debbie Bruen 12 points to lead Eagles.
Final score: UMW 84, Salisbury 62
UMW is CAC CHAMPS for the 1st time ever!
Debbie Bruen led all scorers with 20 points and ten rebounds, Jenn Olinger scored 14.
It is time to find out who is in... and who is out.
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well...
447 mile trip for the Eagles in round one.
At least it would only be a 45 mile trip to R-MC in the second round if we win.
Best of luck to the Eagles in their quest to the the top... Make the CAC proud to have you as a representative of the conf. Play with with PRIDE, HONOR and as stated in the movie The Replacements YOU GOTTA HAVE HEART.. MILES & MILES OF HEART.. Play your game and i know you can do it ..
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Listening to the game. MWC up by 2 with 1:03 to go. Clint doing a great job. Go Eagles!
Make that UMW. 18 secs. left and Eagles up by 2 with Maryville's ball.
Make that up by 3. Now up by 1 with 2.8 sec. UMW at the line.
UMW wins! 69-66. Great job Lady Eagles! Keep it going in the NCAA beyond Saturday against RMC. Great job Clint!!
Hope you enjoyed the trip down to Tenn Clint. Congrats again to the Lady Eagles and Coach Applebury. Goodluck against Randolph Macon and lets keep this going.
18 hours in a bus with anyone can be a bear...
Good thing I had Liz's birthday cookie cake and Lisa's Scary Movie 2 re-enactments to keep me amused.
GO EAGLES! One win from Sweet 16.
The Mary Washington/Randolph-Macon game Saturday night will be webcast by the NCAA using D3hoops.com personnel.
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Any Pre-Season Prognostications on the CAC ladies this year?
I'm biased, but here goes:
1. Mary Washington
(solid returning cast)
2. Marymount
(proven coach, good team)
3. Salisbury
(a rebound from last year)
4. York
(may surprise; lost Kessler, gained ROY)
5. Catholic
(unproven coach; could move up)
6. St. Mary's
(unpredictable; could climb 3 slots higher)
7. Goucher
(new coach may turn it around)
8. Gallaudet
(will need some luck)
I agree for the most part although I think Catholic will still be a top 3 contender. Marymount lost a player or two and York's size underneath is questionable. Of course all this comes with knowing nothing of the recruiting classes coming in......... But it's fun to Guess!
Coach Finney's already posted his "tenative" Marymount roster: 6 freshmen with a good deal of new height.
We all know that winningest coach in school's history, Maggie Lonergan is not coach at Catholic anymore due to her husband, Mike's D-I job at University of Vermont. Wish the best lucks to the Lonergan family as well as Cards family in upcoming season.
Hmm .... All is quiet on the board on the eve of tryouts and practices. No news anywhere? No new recruits? No rabid fans? No word on the league's new coaches? Players who've transferred in or decided not to play? Predictions? Time to come to life ... the season will be on us soon!
The UMW roster is up......... 6 newcomers added to the 7 returning players.
Mary Washington ranked 24th in the Women's D III News Preseason top 25 Poll. Way to go Eagles!
??? I can't find any rankings on the site. Where did you get this? Insider info? What's the rest of the rankings? Any more CAC?
WOMEN'S DIII NEWS PRESEASON TOP 25 POLL
(RELEASED OCTOBER 17, 2005)
# TEAM 2004-2005 Record
1. Southern Maine 31-3
2. Randolph-Macon 30-2
3. Millikin 29-2
4. Baldwin-Wallace 23-6
5. Scranton 29-3
6. Bowdoin 26-3
7. Washington (Mo.) 22-5
8. Capital 20-6
9. Albion 25-5
10. Springfield 25-6
11. Buena Vista 25-3
12. Wilmington 23-5
13. Wisconsin Oshkosh 22-6
14. Washington & Jefferson 21-7
15. Salem State 21-7
16. New York University 23-5
17. Moravian 24-6
18. George Fox 22-6
19. Hope 23-4
20. Emmanuel 27-3
21. Chapman 21-6
22. McDaniel 25-4
23. Maryville (Tenn.) 19-9
24. Mary Washington 23-7
25. Wisconsin Stevens Point 21-6
My Bad..........
Thanks for posting the list. ;D I still can't find the list online at the Women's DIII News: I guess Women's DIII News doesn't want you to know its rankings unless you subscribe! >:( I wonder when D3sports.com will post its preseason picks & how similar the 2 lists will be.
I don't think they post em on the web. As you said , they make you subscribe to the Newsletter to get the poll. I will also be interested to see how the D3hoops.com Poll will compare. Of course the PRESEASON doesn't mean much but it's a nice place to start...........
Half the league has posted rosters so far.
Those who have posted will have lots of new faces: Mary Washington (6 returning, 7 frosh); Marymount (8 returning, 6 frosh); St. Mary's (7 returning, 7 frosh); York (8 returning, 6 frosh).
Catholic, Gallaudet, Goucher, & Salisbury haven't posted rosters that I can find. >:(
Quote from: eaglemaniac on October 24, 2005, 02:32:25 PM
Women's DIII News, published since 1993, is the leading publication covering women's Division III basketball. It is published 12 times during the basketball season.
Just because they claim it doesn't mean you have to repeat it and doesn't mean it's true. :)
We only publish about 200 times during the basketball season. Bummer.
& D3sports.com has more readers, too, I'd wager.
The D3sports.com men's preseason poll has two CAC teams but the women's preseason poll isn't posted yet. I wonder if any women's teams will be recognized preseason? No CAC presence in the site's final poll of last year or in its All-American choices last season suggests maybe not.
Salisbury now has posted its roster. More upperclassmen than other teams: 11 returnees, 4 frosh. And Gen Olds will be back, too - but as an assistant coach.
Just because they claim it doesn't mean you have to repeat it and doesn't mean it's true. :)
We only publish about 200 times during the basketball season. Bummer.
Quote
As Agent 86 would say........Sorry about that Chief. :)
CAC skunked in d3hoops.com's preseason poll :(
UMW Eagles looked good in their Scrimmage with RM yesterday.
it's a long season though; one scrimmage does not a season make! ;)
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 30, 2005, 03:17:09 PM
it's a long season though; one scrimmage does not a season make! ;)
That's true but I'd rather work from a positive start then a negative one :)
Goucher now has posted its roster. Goucher is small both in size and numbers: Only 10 players, no one over 5'9". They list 2 freshmen - both at 5'3".
Catholic and Gallaudet still silent on their rosters on their websites.
Catholic posted its roster this afternoon. 8 returning players; 7 freshmen. looks like a lot of new height to go with the new coach. ;D
Gallaudet ???
Congratulations to UMW's Debbie Bruen on being named a D3 Hoops Pre-Season All American HM.
I meant All-American 4th team for Debbie.
Yes, Congrats to Debbie! ;)
I wish the games would start. Practices, Postings, Scrimmages, Polls, Rumors, etc., are nice enough, but no substitute for the real thing.
"This is the most talented and balanced team that I have had here at York." - Spartan head coach Betsy Witman.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 07, 2005, 03:18:05 PM
"This is the most talented and balanced team that I have had here at York." - Spartan head coach Betsy Witman.
Source?
York's website. Women's Basketball, Nov 5 press release Entitled: 2005-06 York College Women's Basketball Preview ;)
With the NCAA's expansion to 63 teams, any chance the CAC can pick up a second slot? Is the league respected enough for that? Or does it come down to the individual teams' records, etc.? Do you need both a well respected league and a fantastic record?
It does come down to the individual team records, but I think if there had been 63 teams in the playoffs the past couple years, the CAC would have gotten an extra team in.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 12:29:22 PM
It does come down to the individual team records, but I think if there had been 63 teams in the playoffs the past couple years, the CAC would have gotten an extra team in.
Thanks. Hopefully 2 (at least?) from the CAC will get to dance this year. :D
Gallaudet's preseason roster is up on its website. Only 8 players. Only two return from last season. No Crockett; no Sanders; no Dinkel. :(
Show Time! :D
Big Tournament Weekend
Good luck: Show 'em what you've got, CAC!
Fredericksburg Free Lance Star preseason story on UMW:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/112005/11182005/146777
Mary Wash 66, Trinity CT 38
All-American forward Debbie Bruen scored 18 points on 9-11 shooting and added seven rebounds in twenty minutes of action as the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team opened the 2005-06 season with a 66-38 victory over Trinity (CT) College on Saturday in the Swarthmore Tipoff Tournament. The Eagles, ranked #24 in the nation by DIII News, will face either Washington & Lee University or Swarthmore for the title on Sunday at 4 pm.
In a balanced effort that saw only one player play more than 20 minutes, the Eagles outrebounded Trinity, 52-27. Liz Hickey had eight points and five blocked shots, and Ashton Mitchell added ten points and seven rebounds. Among the guards, Katie Larson had seven rebounds and five assists, Leigh Kampman had six points, and Kaitie Clarkin added four assists.
Result yesterday from the Seahawks Tip-Off Classic...
Richard Stockton 69 (2-0)
St. Mary's (MD) 50 (0-2)
Seahawks return to action on Tuesday when they travel to Villa Julie.
Mary Wash 60, Washington & Lee 53
The University of Mary Washington women's basketball team received 17 points, six rebounds, and four steals from tournament MVP Debbie Bruen in a 60-53 win over Washington & Lee University on Sunday in the championship of the Swarthmore Tipoff Tournament. The Eagle, who improve to 2-0 on the season, also got 13 points from sophomore Liz Hickeyand twelve from all-tournament team selection freshman Ashton Mitchell.
The Eagles will host the Generals for their second meeting in three days on Tuesday at Goolrick Gymnasium in the home opener at 6 pm.
The CAC women were 10-5 (.666) in games against non-conference opponents this opening weekend :)
Nice summary on the CAC website of last weekend's games:
http://www.cacsports.com/wbasketball/womensbasketball.html
Marymount senior Meghan Denham Named CAC Player of the Week, averaging 19 points a game in MU's 3 games. :)
UMW 63, Washington & Lee 50
Sarah Flanagan the only Eagle in double figures with eleven, but Liz Hickey breaks her own school record with 12 blocked shots in the game, and also grabbed ten boards.
St. Mary's 55, Villa Julie 43
Sophomore guard Megan Uglik led the Seahawks with a game-high 13 points. Freshman forward Allie Scott added 11 points and seven rebounds while sophomore forward Lisa Daciek added five points and a team-high ten rebounds. Freshman guard Kiely Murphy scored seven points on 3-of-3 shooting from the field.
For the Mustangs, forward Tanisha Foster posted a double-double with 11 points and a game-high 11 rebounds. Guard Alicia Barnard also scored 11 points while forward Cara Hill added ten points and eight rebounds.
Quote from: mwcsid on November 22, 2005, 11:00:18 PM
Liz Hickey breaks her own school record with 12 blocked shots in the game.
12! Time for a nickname? The Terminator? ;D
And, Congratulations to Gallaudet Bison for breaking into the win column vs. Trinity (D.C.). :)
The Lady Cardinals improve today 3-0 with an upset win over 5th ranked Scranton University with a score of 64-56... Th Lady Cards return to action on Mon. Nov28 hosting Montclair St at the DuFour center at 7:00 pm... see you there
Congrats to the Lady Cardinals and first year coach Margaret Carey (we do love Margaret's at CUA, don't we?) for their huge upset victory over 5th ranked and national championship contender Scranton today. The Cardinals led most of the game and put it away in the end. They've got some great talent that's developed over the last few years--watch out Marymount....
I don't think Marymount is the one you need to worry the most about. ;)
I was very impressed with the new coach and the execution of her team this early in the season. She ran a nice offense, got 4 or 5 layups off a pick and roll that Scranton couldn't stop and was into the game throughout
Congrats on Lady Cards.. way to go.. hope they can carry and keep it up through out the season.
Finally it's a great performance from Jackie DeBorger after two games of sub performance compare to last year.. Good to see her bounce back up and be a key factor in the upset win over #5 Scranton. Congrats to Coach Carey for well prepared..
Way to go Cardinals! Go CAC!
Could be a very big week for CUA ... UMW on Wednesday & MU on Saturday ... the 3 tied for #1 last regular season.
Yes, HUGE win for the Cards!
That ought to get some people's attention about the CAC...
From what I've seen and heard, the league is LOADED this year, with no less than five teams that could do damage come NCAA time.
I love this time of year!
Quote from: eaglemaniac on November 26, 2005, 11:38:11 PM
I don't think Marymount is the one you need to worry the most about. ;)
No, no its the Eagles this year--though as Clint points out there are a number of good CAC teams. Its just that CUA and Marymount have had a pretty good rivarly going for the last few years now. But I'm sure the intensity will be just as high in Fredericksburg Wed. It will be quite a week.
I've seen a few of the CAC teams play so far and it looks like there will be some really tough, close games in the Conference. Should be some exciting Basketball to watch.
I think both the Eagles and the Saints require much worrying about.
McDaniel 73, St. Mary's (MD) 71
Megan Uglik tallied 14 points with four assists while Kristie Sweeney added 13 points for the Seahawks. Taylor Yearwood scored 12 points with six rebounds and six assists while Allie Scott added 11 points and five rebounds before fouling out late in the contest. Shannon Ambrose scored seven points and recorded game-highs with nine rebounds and five steals for the Seahawks.
Heather Thompson scored a game-high 16 points on 7-of-10 shooting for McDaniel. Sara Franz added 14 points and a game-high seven assists. Allison Biggs added nine points while Kristy Costa and Robbin Gregg each contributed with eight points for the Green Terror.
Both teams shot well in the contest as McDaniel converted on 25-of-53 total attempts for 47.2 percent from the field. St. Mary's connected on 45.5 percent of their attempts (25-of-55).
Final from York on Monday, York 81-F&M 73
Heidi Miller cans a three with 40 seconds left, breaking a 73-73 tie. Miller hits two free throws with 13 seconds left to secure the win. The Spartans get a free throw and a put-back to provide for the final score.
The Spartans were led by forward Chanel Perez as the freshman notched career-highs with 22 points and 11 rebounds. Perez was 9-for-15 from the floor and 4-for-6 from the charity stripe. Miller added a season-high 15 points, three assists, three rebounds, and three steals for the green and white. Miller was 4-for-7 from the floor including 2-for-3 from distance. She also converted 5-of-6 from the charity stripe. Sophomore Kristen Daly played a solid game with 15 points, eight rebounds, two assists, two steals and a blocked shot. Senior captain Jess Huntley recorded a career-high 11 rebounds in addition to seven points. Ward added eight points, eight rebounds, and a career-high seven assists for YCP.
Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB04.HTM
Mary Wash 88, Shenandoah 69
The University of Mary Washington women's basketball team saw five players in double figures in an 88-69 win over Shenandoah University on Monday in Winchester, VA. Freshman Sarah Flanagan led the Eagles with her first career double-double, with 15 points and ten rebounds. Freshman Ashton Mitchell and junior Lisa Tracy each scored 13 points for the Eagles, and Jenn Olinger and Kaitie Clarkin each scored ten.
The Eagles opened up a 42-29 halftime advantage, led by ten points from Tracy. The Eagles saw Flanagan score ten points and grab nine rebounds in the second half, and Debbie Bruen also scored all nine of her points in the final twenty minutes. For the game, UMW forced 32 Shenandoah turnovers that led to 27 Eagle points.
UMW will host undefeated Catholic University on Wednesday evening at 6 pm in a key early season Capital Athletic Conference showdown.
Catholic defeated Montclair State 58-41 tonight, setting up two undefeateds at Mary Wash Wed. The question is whether both will be ranked...should know in a few hours...
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on November 28, 2005, 11:31:40 PM
The question is whether both will be ranked...should know in a few hours...
And time drags on ... ;D
Make that three undefeated teams in the CAC, can't forget the Lady Gulls from Salisbury.
No, I just meant that two undefeated teams will be playing tomorrow night--not that there are only two undefeated teams in the league--there are 4 right now, though obviously somebody won't be tomorrow night.
Maybe they aren't doing a women's poll this week?
Marymount #21
Catholic #22
UMW #23
That's probably pretty accurate and as I said earlier there should be some very close competitive games in the CAC. Tomorrow's UMW-CUA contest should be great!
Quote from: eaglemaniac on November 29, 2005, 06:18:30 PM
Marymount #21
Catholic #22
UMW #23
Three teams with a combined 12-0 against non-CAC teams so far, but they start slugging it out with each other this week. Throw Salisbury in the mix (3-0) & it'll be interesting to see who's still standing in March. There should be some great games.
Wow...has that happened before, at least to CAC teams???
Back to back to back rankings?
Good stuff. Let the games begin!
I remember in 97-98, Marymount, Gallaudet, St. Mary's and Mary Wash were all very good, I THINK that's about the only time there were more than two teams at once of that calibre in the CAC since I've been here... Don't know about the rankings though.
No word from MW yet, but I did run across this...
No. 21 Marymount 77, St. Mary's (Md.) 73
Matt,
not sure of the final score but unfortuneatly heard Catholic lost by about 18 after being up by 12 at the half :'(
Aha. That would have been a very tough game for them to get...
Lets hope the men have no such problem...
UMW - 70
CUA - 51
I think CUA was up 33-21 at the half. UMW went on a 16-0 run to start the 2nd half and took over from there.
The game was a lot closer than the final score however. CUA forced to foul and UMW made their Free Throws to seal it.
It'll be interesting to see if Catholic bounces back at home against Marymount Saturday. MU's last 2 wins were squeakers. St. Mary's, losing by 2 buckets to MU tonight, hosts Mary Washington Saturday.
I was really impressed by UMW tonight, they stepped up in a big game again. Lisa Tracy had 17 in the second half - really turned it on. CUA led something like 26-8 on the boards at halftime.
The run was 20-2 to start the second half... It was a lot like the men's game - every time CUA would start a run to chip away, UMW would make a big shot or get a big stop defensively.
This was a heavyweight fight - Blow by UMW early to go up 17-8, CUA went on a huge run to lead at the half, and UMW made a big blow to go and stay ahead to start the second. Another balanced effort, everyone chipped in.
GREAT early season game, both teams are very well coached and talented, real strong and worthy of their rankings.
The CAC is LEGIT this year.
#23 Mary Washington 69, St. Mary's (MD) 53
Eagles used a 22-0 run to pull away in the second half. Sophomore guard Lisa Tracy and junior forward Debbie Bruen each posted a double-double in the contest for the Eagles. Tracy scored 19 points with ten rebounds and five steals while Bruen added 14 points and 11 boards with a team-high three assists. Freshman center Ashton Mitchell and freshman guard Katy Larson each added ten points for the Eagles.
Sophomore guard Megan Uglik led all scorers in the contest with 22 points for the Seahawks. Junior forward Lisa Daciek added seven points as did junior guard Taylor Yearwood, who also added five steals. Freshman forward Allie Scott added six points and pulled down a game-high 12 rebounds for St. Mary's.
Quote from: smcmsid on December 03, 2005, 08:21:51 PM
#23 Mary Washington 69, St. Mary's (MD) 53
Rough Game. St. Mary's lead at half. Hard fought start to finish.
Rough game is right. Ugly coaching, Ugly playing and most of all the most inept refereeing I've seen in a long time.
#22 Catholic 65 #21 Marymount 47
Catholic played very well today. I think the surprising thing about this game was the ease in which Catholic won. Marymount really never got especially close, I think maybe they had it down to 9 or so once in the 2nd half, but CUA pulled away again.
So, from the looks of things, the D3hoops.com voters had things reversed---Catholic did belong in the middle, for now, anyway, but put Mary Wash above them and Marymount below them.
Great game played by the Lady Cards! Once again, Lindsey leads Catholic to victory. Good luck at Stockton!
In case you aren't checking "Daily Dose," this is from today's entry:
"Blogged in General by Pat Coleman on Sunday December 4, 2005
So what does this mean? Catholic women beat Scranton. Mary Washington beat Catholic. Catholic beat Marymount. This could mean Mary Washington is really good. We'll see."
I think that Mary Washington probably is very good.
But an alternative explanation for the results that have been mentioned is simply, "the home team won." All those games were home wins for the teams in question. Lets see what happens when CUA heads to Arlington and Mary Wash to DC.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2005, 08:01:56 PM
But an alternative explanation for the results that have been mentioned is simply, "the home team won."
It's way too early to spot a trend ... but now that you mention it, Catholic is 5-0 at home and 0-1 on the road. ;D And they're off to N.J. Thursday for Stockton, which is undefeated so far. ;) I hope they knock off Stockton. Let's keep the losses within the CAC part of the schedule.
Oh yeah, well that was part of my point--CUA's big wins (Scranton & MMT) were both at home, as was MW's.
Stockton game is tough--extra motivation for the head coach at least...she was an assistant at Stockton last year.
There not much discussion about the 6-0 Lady Gulls from Salisbury, so I decided to give them some "play". Coach B has the ladies off to a great start. I hope they keep the momentum going. I noticed that Gen Olds is on Salisbury coaching staff this year.
Won/Loss records of CAC opponents YTD:
Team
SAL- 6-0 Opponents 11-25
UMW- 6-0 Opponents 13-22
CUA 5-1 Opponents 23-10
MU 5-1 Opponents 19-16
I wouldn't get too excited about being on top right now. Looks like Catholic has played the stronger schedule. I don't know how much credence you can put into these kinds of numbers but I think early tough games pay off down the stretch.
You are right, but yes, CUA has played an extremely hard schedule so far, and its going to get even harder with Stockton this week, who is undefeated.
I would hope that given the split last week, the Cardinals will stay in the Top 25, but we'll see. I realize it means nothing, but its good for visibilty. People are used to CUA having a good men's team, but there has been a concerted effort to bring women's basketball up to the level that the men have been at and so far its been very successful---a Top 25 ranking helps reinforce that.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 05, 2005, 12:53:11 PM
I would hope that given the split last week, the Cardinals will stay in the Top 25, but we'll see. I realize it means nothing, but its good for visibilty. People are used to CUA having a good men's team, but there has been a concerted effort to bring women's basketball up to the level that the men have been at and so far its been very successful---a Top 25 ranking helps reinforce that.
The Catholic women have been at a high level the last couple of seasons. They are still there. The recognition and visibility that comes with being in the top 25 is good for them and the CAC. With the expanded NCAA pool this year, hopefully more than one CAC team will dance. I suspect that if Catholic drops out of the top 25 due to the loss to UMW, they' ll be back in a later poll.
Rutgers-Camden 77, St. Mary's (MD) 59
The Seahawks received 14 points from freshman forward Allie Scott, while sophomore forward Lisa Daciek finished with ten points. Sophomore guard Taylor Yearwood had a team-high nine rebounds and tied for the team lead with five assists.
Rutgers-Camden was led by sophomore guard Krystal Jankowski who scored 20 points while senior center Megan Rulon had 17 points, ten rebounds and nine blocked shots.
The Seahawks will return to action on Friday, December 9, when they host Neumann in a non-conference contest.
UMW advanced to #18, Catolic remained - but fell 1 in the rankings.
18 Mary Washington 6-0
23 Catholic 5-1
#18 UMW 68, Apprentice 58
Liz Hickey led the way with 21, Bruen added 17, and Flanagan 12. 7-0 start, one win shy of tyine the school record for wins to start the season set last year.
Would I be correct in thinking that game was closer than it should have been? ???
Well, they're a lot more athletic top to bottom than anyone in the CAC...
That type of team has given us trouble in the past so a win is a win. Good to see the post players (Hickey and Bruen) step up against a quicker but smaller opponent.
The versatility of the Eagles with their ten deep rotation has been as key as anything - no one's averaging more than about 12 per game, but everyone brings something different to the table.
UMW only won by six there last year, so it's a good test against a team that gives a different look.
I'm not so sure the rotations have been that favorable for UMW. I also don't think that they have figured out which rotations are working the best together as yet. I'm sure they will get it down eventually. Just an opinion.
Well, that is true, but it's great to be 7-0 as they're figuring it out...
;)
Fair enough, just wondering.
Quote from: mwcsid on December 06, 2005, 11:36:46 PM
Well, that is true, but it's great to be 7-0 as they're figuring it out...
;)
I agree with you that it's great to be 7-0, I just wonder how many 20-2 type runs UMW has left in the tank for the season.
ESPN/Coaches Poll has UMW #25 yet they also get a point in the "others receiving votes" category. ??? Must be the fuzzy math.....
USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Week One Poll: December 6, 2005
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Institution Points
1. University Of Southern Maine (5) 195
2. Washington University (Mo.) 186
3. Millikin University (Ill.) (3) 185
4. Bowdoin College (Maine) 165
5. George Fox University (Ore.) 163
6. Capital University (Ohio) 153
7. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio) 133
8. Brandeis University (Mass.) 133
9. Randolph-Macon College (Va.) 127
10. University Of Scranton (Pa.) 117
11. Messiah College (Pa.) 115
12. DePauw University (Ind.) 103
13. Springfield College (Mass.) 89
14. New York University 87
15. Hope College (Mich.) 78
16. Wheaton College (Ill.) 67
17. Bates College (Maine) 64
18. University Of Wisconsin, Stout 59
19. University Of Wisconsin, Oshkosh 50
20. College Of St. Benedict (Minn.) 41
21. Moravian College (Pa.) 38
22. Albion College (Mich.) 33
23. Kenyon College (Ohio) 30
24. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas) 26
25. University of Mary Washington (Va.) 26
Others receiving votes: Wilmington College - 24; Calvin College - 13; Trinity University - 13; Washington & Jefferson - 11; Buena Vista University - 10; Richard Stockton Coll. Of NJ - 9; Catholic University Of America - 8; Emmanuel College - 7; Marymount University - 7; Carroll College - 6; Hendrix College - 5; Illinois Wesleyan University - 5; Franklin College - 4; Luther College - 4; University Of Wisconsin, Stevens Point - 4; Mc Murry University - 2; Salem State College - 2; University Of Wisconsin, La Crosse - 2; University of Mary Washington - 1.
Yes... very strange. I saw that one too. Also, we should be tied for #24, since we had the same number of votes as Hardin Simmons (one more, actually...)
Quote from: eaglemaniac on December 07, 2005, 12:19:01 AM
ESPN/Coaches Poll has UMW #25 yet they also get a point in the "others receiving votes" category. ??? Must be the fuzzy math.....
Quote from: mwcsid on December 07, 2005, 07:30:35 AM
Yes... very strange. I saw that one too. Also, we should be tied for #24, since we had the same number of votes as Hardin Simmons (one more, actually...)
Perhaps the "scorer" is from Texas & cooked the books?
It's too bad that the D3Hoops Stats person has screwed up the Marymount (Va) win-loss record......Marymount (NY) lost to Edgar Evans ( I Think ). Marymount (Va) record should be 5-1 ( check their website ), like Catholic........I wonder if that is why they got dumped from the Top 25........Is this another Slap against the CAC???????
Quote from: jfarchitect on December 07, 2005, 10:24:58 AM
It's too bad that the D3Hoops Stats person has screwed up the Marymount (Va) win-loss record......Marymount (NY) lost to Edgar Evans ( I Think ). Marymount (Va) record should be 5-1 ( check their website ), like Catholic........I wonder if that is why they got dumped from the Top 25........Is this another Slap against the CAC???????
I think Marymount dropped because they lost to Catholic which previously lost to UMW.
Catholic didn't get much respect in that poll, either---1 more vote than Marymount after beating them?
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2005, 10:56:06 AM
Catholic didn't get much respect in that poll, either---1 more vote than Marymount after beating them?
You are confusing the polls, I think. jfarchitect is griping about D3Hoops, which didn't disrespect Catholic. Your point goes to ESPN/Coaches, I believe.
Sorry to see Salisbury's loss to ODAC's Virginia Wesleyan :(
http://www.vwc.edu/athletics/wbasketball/
Quote from: mwcsid on December 07, 2005, 07:30:35 AM
Yes... very strange. I saw that one too. Also, we should be tied for #24, since we had the same number of votes as Hardin Simmons (one more, actually...)
They must have heard you :). We moved to #24.
USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Week One Poll: December 6, 2005
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Institution Points
1. University Of Southern Maine (5) 195
2. Washington University (Mo.) 186
3. Millikin University (Ill.) (3) 185
4. Bowdoin College (Maine) 165
5. George Fox University (Ore.) 163
6. Capital University (Ohio) 153
7. Baldwin-Wallace College (Ohio) 133
8. Brandeis University (Mass.) 133
9. Randolph-Macon College (Va.) 127
10. University Of Scranton (Pa.) 117
11. Messiah College (Pa.) 115
12. DePauw University (Ind.) 103
13. Springfield College (Mass.) 89
14. New York University 87
15. Hope College (Mich.) 78
16. Wheaton College (Ill.) 67
17. Bates College (Maine) 64
18. University Of Wisconsin, Stout 59
19. University Of Wisconsin, Oshkosh 50
20. College Of St. Benedict (Minn.) 41
21. Moravian College (Pa.) 38
22. Albion College (Mich.) 33
23. Kenyon College (Ohio) 30
24. University of Mary Washington (Va.) 27
25. Hardin-Simmons University (Texas) 26
Others receiving votes: Wilmington College - 24; Calvin College - 13; Trinity University - 13; Washington & Jefferson - 11; Buena Vista University - 10; Richard Stockton Coll. Of NJ - 9; Catholic University Of America - 8; Emmanuel College - 7; Marymount University - 7; Carroll College - 6; Hendrix College - 5; Illinois Wesleyan University - 5; Franklin College - 4; Luther College - 4; University Of Wisconsin, Stevens Point - 4; Mc Murry University - 2; Salem State College - 2; University Of Wisconsin, La Crosse - 2.
Matt,
I was refering to the D3Hoops Poll, where voters may have been voting on a team with a 5-2 record as shown in the Regional Standings ( which since has been corrected ) and not a 5-1 record, as both Catholic and Marymount have.
I wonder why Salisbury didn't get a vote........They are one of the top teams in the CAC also.........Man are all of the Poll voters from Pa. or the Midwest? No respect
Ahh, yes...I was referencing the ESPN poll. Is there an equivaelent Men's Poll, btw?
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 07, 2005, 03:15:59 PM
Is there an equivaelent Men's Poll, btw?
The USA Today site only lists D-1 polls for men, not D-2 or 3. I has D-2 & 3 polls for women.
And, it doesn't have the "corrected" addition that move UMW to 24.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/polls.htm
bbald eagle:
I was sorry to see the Salisbury Lady Gulls loose the first game of the season to Va Wesleyan. Hopefully, it'll only toughen them up for the game aganist you guys ;) .
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 07, 2005, 03:29:40 PM
bbald eagle:
I was sorry to see the Salisbury Lady Gulls loose the first game of the season to Va Wesleyan. Hopefully, it'll only toughen them up for the game aganist you guys ;) .
Salisbury is always tough - they need tenderizer (very bad pun). ;D I wish CAC teams could keep the losses within the CAC.
Pomona, NJ: Richard Stockton defeated Catholic U. 72-61 in a non-conference game. Stockton jumped out to a 32-25 halftime lead, and never looked back, outscoring Catholic by 4 in the 2nd half for the win. Stockton remains unbeaten at 7-0. Sophomore guard Jessica Rainey led four Ospreys in double-figures, scoring 20 points on 6-10 shooting from the floor. Rainey also had a team high 8 rebounds for head coach Joe Fussner, who was facing Catholic head coach Margaret Carey for the first time. Carey was an assistant under Fussner for four seasons, helping the Ospreys to the 2004-2005 NJAC title. Senior forward Lisa Zak scored 18 points, and junior forward Alicia Morris scored 12 points. Sophomore transfer Lisa Neira added 10 points for RSC.
Jackie DeBorger and Lindsay DiRomualdo each led Catholic with 13 points. Shannon Mertz scored 12 points for Catholic. DeBorger had 10 turnovers.
Quote from: njacfan on December 08, 2005, 09:18:24 PM
Pomona, NJ: Richard Stockton defeated Catholic U. 72-61 in a non-conference game.
>:(
Stockton visits Marymount in a week.
Randolph-Macon College is at Richard Stockton February 2nd -- one night after playing at Alvernia College up in Reading, PA. That should be an interesting non-conference road trip.
YO BALDY,
WHAT IS YOUR POINT?????
EITHER YOU WANT MARYMOUNT TO LOOSE OR YOU WANT MARYMOUNT TO SMOKE THEM..........
MAN, CALM DOWN BUD........IT'S ONLY THE SECOND WEEK IN DECEMBER......THE TEAMS WILL LOOK ALOT DIFFERENT IN FEBRUARY, WHEN THE GAMES REALLY COUNT.........IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR TEAM HAS ALREADY PEEKED........TOO BAD, I GUESS IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GET A HAIRCUT...BALDY!!!!
I GUES IT'S NOT TOO EARLY TO DREAM ABOUT NEXT SEASON....."B" BRAIN!
Quote from: jfarchitect on December 09, 2005, 12:27:59 AM
YO BALDY,
WHAT IS YOUR POINT?????
EITHER YOU WANT MARYMOUNT TO LOOSE OR YOU WANT MARYMOUNT TO SMOKE THEM..........
MAN, CALM DOWN BUD........IT'S ONLY THE SECOND WEEK IN DECEMBER......THE TEAMS WILL LOOK ALOT DIFFERENT IN FEBRUARY, WHEN THE GAMES REALLY COUNT.........IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR TEAM HAS ALREADY PEEKED........TOO BAD, I GUESS IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GET A HAIRCUT...BALDY!!!!
I GUES IT'S NOT TOO EARLY TO DREAM ABOUT NEXT SEASON....."B" BRAIN!
Stop shouting.
Who should calm down?
My point? As I've said repeatedly, I'd like to see the CAC teams win their non-conference games and confine their losses to the league. Do you have a different opinion on that? The Catholic/Stockton result means MU's got a difficult non-CAC matchup next week. Or isn't that obvious to you?
As to "peeking" - if Mary Washington "looses" the rest of its games, I guess you'll be proven right that 7-0 was its "peek".
Now, I get it..... that is a very good point!!!
Maybe it's the Jersey teams that have already peeked.
What was all that about?
a little confusion........i guess that's what happens when you work late.....or is it 1 too many beers.......anyway, I think the Catholic loss will give an extra incentive to the Ladies of the CAC to take care of the Jersey Girls!!!
Come NCAA selection time we need to look like a stronger conference, and maybe get 2-3 teams in.....I don't think that is a stretch......the teams in this conference not only can play good ball.....but this year they seem to pull out the win in a close game.
St. Mary's 86, Neumann 59
Freshman forward Allie Scott posts a double-double with 16 points and 14 rebounds in the victory for the Seahawks. Sophomore guard Taylor Yearwood scored a game-high 18 points on 8-of-11 shooting from the field.
For the Knights, senior guard/forward Nellie Mixon and senior forward Kirsten Patton each tallied nine points. Sophomore guard Syreeta Brown added eight points while sophomore forward Ashley Leonard added seven points.
From the Marymount website:
"MU Athletics » Women's Basketball »
2005-06 Season Outlook
Coming soon..."
http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/wbball/outlook.html
Marymount must want to see how it does before it makes any predictions! :D ;)
congratulations to the #23 Catholic U Lady Cardinals with their victory today over the Red Devils from Dickinson College.. The Lady Cards improve to 6-2 and the Lady Red Devils fall to 6-2.. the lady cards resume action on Dec. 18 traveling to Christopher Newport then on to Fla. Jan 2-5 then return home to the DuFour Centre on Jan. 8 vs Hood College.... agin congratulations to the Lady Cards on their victory today
By the way, the CUA strength of schedule is absolutely ridiculous. Just about everybody they've played has an excellent record. I understand they've picked up a couple loss and they'll probably pick up a few more because this league is very good this year, but I really hope its factored in at the end of the year.
Don't worry, Matt, it will be... at least the region record will. The formula the NCAA looks at assigns points for wins and losses, and whether games are at home or away, and the winning percentage of the opponents. Cards have played a very good schedule with several really good wins, including Scranton, which I think gives a lot of creedence to not only the Cards, but the whole league.
St. Mary's (MD) 77, Mary Baldwin 43
Freshman forward Allie Scott leads the Seahawks with 17 points and 11 rebounds with freshman guard Kiely Murphy scoring 14 points. Sophomore guard Megan Uglik scored 11 points while freshman center Kaitlyn Johnson tied Scott with a game-high 11 rebounds.
Freshman forward Christie Hamilton scored a team-high 13 points for Mary Baldwin. Sophomore guard Jessica Carter added nine points and eight rebounds while senior center Rayna Henry added six points and a team-high nine rebounds.
St. Mary's held Mary Baldwin scoreless over the opening 8:02 and jumped out to a 21-3 lead just past the midway point of the first half. The Seahawks led at halftime 40-13 and had their bench emptied very early in the second half.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 10, 2005, 11:26:01 PM
By the way, the CUA strength of schedule is absolutely ridiculous. Just about everybody they've played has an excellent record. I understand they've picked up a couple loss and they'll probably pick up a few more because this league is very good this year, but I really hope its factored in at the end of the year.
Matt -
The NCAA criteria are on line in pdf form.
Go to: http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/ncaa_publications/championship_handbooks/winter/basketball/womens/
then click on: 2006 Division III Championship Handbook
on pages 15-16 is the quality of wins index (applies only to in region games). The NCAA assigns "points" for each regional game. A win is always better than a loss. Wins at home count less than those on the road. Wins against better teams count more than those against weaker teams. A loss against a team with a good record is worth more than a loss against a team with a poor record, and a loss at home hurts more than a loss on the road.
Nice win over Dickinson :)
A posting on another d3 board says Catholic & Goucher are pulling out of the CAC in fall 2007:
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4134.new#new
College of New Jersey 60 Marymount 55
Arlington VA: Marymount which led by 14 points with 15:30 left in the game, loses to TCNJ from the New Jersey Athletic Conference. Marymount was led by Randi Jones' 11 points and 8 rebounds and 4 assists. TNCJ wa sled by Margo Buchalski, who came off of the bench to score 14 points on 5 of 11 shooting from the floor. TNCJ imporves to 5-4 and Marymount drops to 5-2. Marymount hosts another NJAC opponent, undefeated Richard Stockton 3pm on Sat. Stockton defeated TNCJ 70-55 at TCNJ a week ago.
Mary Washington: 16
Catholic: Gone (twice)
Quote from: catholichoops on December 13, 2005, 11:37:16 AM
I never even get on these things as I tend to believe they can really be full of it. However, I decided to log on because Stockton College is the best team we've played all year and it is obvious--and we played and beat Scranton and Scranton is very good so this has to say a lot. ... At any rate, I want to say that Coach Fussner is the best head coach I've ever seen and I played agains him this year and it was very very difficult for the first time to root against him. However, he tuaght me all I know with coaching and this game. ... Thank you and good luck to all of you out there as this business is brutal but fun as hell.
Margaret Carey
Head Women's Basketball Coach
The Catholic University of America
Full Posting:
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4135.new
A posting in the Daily Dose says Villa Julie has announced it is joining the CAC:
"ryry Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:53 pm
From today's Baltimore Sun, Villa Julie College has accepted an invitation from the Capital Athletic Conference to join the league in 16 of VJC's 21 sports. The VJC field hockey and women's lacrosse teams will begin CAC play in 2006-2007, while the other teams will join in 2007-2008.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.digest16dec16,1,3124997.column
"
Quote from: bbald eagle on December 16, 2005, 05:48:54 PM
A posting in the Daily Dose says Villa Julie has announced it is joining the CAC:
"ryry Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:53 pm
From today's Baltimore Sun, Villa Julie College has accepted an invitation from the Capital Athletic Conference to join the league in 16 of VJC's 21 sports. The VJC field hockey and women's lacrosse teams will begin CAC play in 2006-2007, while the other teams will join in 2007-2008.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.digest16dec16,1,3124997.column
"
This was on the front page of the site earlier in the week, bbald eagle, if you'd read there.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:23:35 PM
This was on the front page of the site earlier in the week, bbald eagle, if you'd read there.
Pat -
I did read the prediction on the front page of D3hoops. It still had to be fulfilled. The prediction proved good - the Baltimore Sun was the first I've seen that in fact there was an invitation that was accepted. Did I miss that on D3Hoops?
HONOLULU, HI - The sixteenth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team saw all twelve players score in a 75-48 win over Meredith College on Sunday at the Hoop N Surf Tournament in Honolulu, moving the Eagles record to 8-0, and tying last year's team's record of eight straight wins to open the season. The Eagles were led by All-American Debbie Bruen, who scored 17 points and added nine rebounds, and sophomore Liz Hickey, who added twelve points and six boards. Freshman Leigh Kampman had ten points and seven rebounds for the Eagles, and Jessica Shifflett added seven points. UMW held just a 32-27 lead at halftime, but committed just three second half turnovers and shot 50% from three point range (4-8) to push the final margin to 27 points. The Eagles will take on NAIA school Concordia (Neb.) on Monday at 11 am Hawaiian time.
http://athletics.umw.edu/index.html
Meanwhile, Catholic lost by 2 to Christopher Newport, which next plays Mary Washington. Catholic ends the year undefeated at DuFour Center, but without a win on the road, perhaps fulfilling a prediction:
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2005, 08:01:56 PMBut an alternative explanation for the results that have been mentioned is simply, "the home team won."
It was on the front page of the site on Monday evening, yes. Still is:
QuoteOne of those schools is Villa Julie, which has been trying to get into the league for the better part of the past decade. The school confirmed its acceptance of a slot in the CAC on Monday evening.
Pat -
Thanks. I misread that article a couple of times. :-[
Mary Washington, #12 in today's D3hoops poll, moves to 9-0, beating NAIA's Concordia (Neb.) 68-63 in Honolulu yesterday. :D
USA TODAY POLL
December 20, 2005
Division III Women's Basketball Poll
#16. Mary Washington, Va. 9-0 61 19
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 12:44:41 PM
It was on the front page of the site on Monday evening, yes. Still is:
QuoteOne of those schools is Villa Julie, which has been trying to get into the league for the better part of the past decade. The school confirmed its acceptance of a slot in the CAC on Monday evening.
With the defection of Catholic and Goucher will the CAC look to only replace those two schools or is there a chance for expansion of the conference?
Sophomore center Liz Hickey record her first career triple-double with 23 points, ten rebounds, and ten blocked shots in Mary Washington's victory over Concordia (Neb.) College last week. Also in double figures for the Eagles were Debbie Bruen and Sarah Flanagan, with twelve points each.
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
Info of CAC interest on the front page. Perhaps the Marymount and Gallaudet fans might team up to support each other's player on the ballot.
The front page article on the "nomination of the top shot blocker in Division III history, Cori Carson, who recorded 485 blocks at Upsala and Marymount" caught my eye. A prediction: if she stays healthy, soph Liz Hickey of UMW will own the record when she graduates. She blocked 104 as a freshman, and has 46 in nine games as a sophomore. ;D
Thanks for the heads-up. We'll try to keep an eye on that.
Congratulations to the Lady Cardinals from Catholic University as they improve to 7-3 with their victory tonite over Trinity College (Conn.) Bantams with a score of 64-46....Trinity falls to 4-4... CUA plays tomorrow [1/4/06] in the championship game of the Florida Sunshine Tourney against the winner of the Haverford/Edward Waters game.
The ninth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team posted a 71-56 victory over Christopher Newport University at CNU. The Eagles extend their season-opening win streak to ten. The Eagles were led by preseason All-America junior forward Debbie Bruen, who led the Eagles with 23 points and nine rebounds, while freshman guard Katy Larson also reached double figures with ten points, going 3-3 from three-point range.
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
the rmc loss to bridgewater last night should make Mary Washinton's matchup with Bridgewater tomorrow interesting. Bridgewater was one of UMW's 7 losses last year.
In tonights Bridgewater/Mary Washington game, I predict the Eagles will be victorious! ;)
Catholic beat Haverford 67-36 to win the Florida Sunshine Tourney.
At the half in York...
Hood 38-York 36.
Hood is 10-for-11 at the free throw line while York is 17-for-34 from the floor.
Keli Ward and Heidi Miller each have 10 points to lead York.
Final from York...
Hood 72-York 71
Game Story:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/results.html
Game Box:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB11.HTM
UMW goes to 11-0 with a convincing 18 point win over Bridgewater College. After watching these ladies play I think it's safe to say that they don't lose anything (and probably strengthen a few positions) when the Bench comes in.
Freshman Sarah Flanagan scored a career-high 26 points and All-American junior forward Debbie Bruen added 15 points and nine rebounds in leading the ninth-ranked Mary Washington to an 85-67 win over Bridgewater. Sophomore center Liz Hickey added 13 points and ten boards for the Eagles, who improve to 11-0 on the season.
UMW never trailed, leading 40-25 at the half. Flanagan made six of eight three-point baskets, falling one make shy of the school single game record for treys.
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
01/05/06
Hood College, Villa Julie College to Join CAC
ST. MARY'S CITY, MD - The Capital Athletic Conference has announced that Villa Julie College and Hood College will be joining the conference in select sports in the fall of 2006 and in all sports for the 2007-2008 academic year. Villa Julie and Hood will be replacing Catholic University and Goucher College, as they will be leaving the CAC effective June 1, 2007, according to CAC commissioner Richard Cook.
http://www.cacsports.com/
The Fredericksburg Free Lance Star on the UMW victory over Bridgewater:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/012006/01062006/158286
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 02, 2006, 12:55:46 PM
The front page article on the "nomination of the top shot blocker in Division III history, Cori Carson, who recorded 485 blocks at Upsala and Marymount" caught my eye. A prediction: if she stays healthy, soph Liz Hickey of UMW will own the record when she graduates. She blocked 104 as a freshman, and has 46 in nine games as a sophomore. ;D
I don't know about the stats of Gallaudet's Ronda Jo Miller but I am sure that she is pretty close to that number but I want to know the confirm numbers
As it says on the front, she's third in blocked shots.
Here's a link to the NCAA site listing players and teams in the CAC that are ranked in the top 50 nationally in various categories as of 1/1:
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary
you may have to click through on the CAC links you find there.
(In some categories, e.g., shooting percentages, to be eligible to be ranked by the NCAA on its site the player has to make a different number of baskets per game than is used by the CAC for CAC rankings on its website, so some leaders on the CAC stat site might not appear on this list while those below them in ranking on that site may appear here.)
Here are the individual highlights for CAC players as taken from the NCAA site:
Points Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher, # 5
Rebounds Per Game: Priscilla Biskupiak, Gallaudet, #8
Assists Per Game: Maria Rojas, Catholic, # 36; Keli Ward, York, #
39
Blocked Shots Per Game: Liz Hickey, Mary Washington, #2;
Maura Fair, Goucher , #26; Johanna Karmgard, Gallaudet #36
Steals Per Game Shadae Swan, Goucher # 11
Field-Goal Percentage: Chanel Perez, York # 33
Free-Throw Percentage: Debbie Bruen, Mary Washington, #5; Stacy Hollander, Goucher, #14; Christen Barney, Salisbury # 50
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage: Shadae Swan, Goucher, # 33
After being named CAC Co-Player of the Week in early
December, Salisbury's Monica Merkel's missed about a month due to illness. :( Does anyone know if her entire season is threatened or if it isn't, when she is likely to return to the lineup?
Seventh Ranked Mary Washington Tops Mary Baldwin, 87-60.
http://athletics.umw.edu/index.html
The College of New Jersey Outlasts Salisbury, 65-62
http://www.salisbury.edu/athletics/womensbasketball/default.asp
Mary Washington's Bruen Named CAC Player of the Week (01/09/06)
http://www.cacsports.com/wbasketball/womensbasketball.html
CAC Conference play resumes Wednesday; the most interesting matchup probably is Marymount at York
A impressive feat by Jackie DeBorger.. 16-31 (7-11 in one game) out of three points land in this past week of January 8th in 3 wins for CUA Cardinals included Florida Shootout Championship. She had increase and improve her performance from slumpy first few weeks of opening weeks of 2005-2006 season.
I believe that Catholic will finish strong at end of regular season under first year head coach, Margaret Carey. They will be prepare and play much better than 70-51 lost at Mary Washington, by seek for revenge on Feb 1st at DuFour Center. I'm look forward to hear from that game.
Halftime from York...
Marymount 24-York 22
A combined 25 turnovers have made for a very choppy game.
Final from York...
Marymount 61-York 55
Details after the men's game.
Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB13.HTM
7th Ranked UMW defeats Gallaudet 96-39 (or close to that) in CAC Hoops.
Catholic 60, St. Mary's (Md.) 45
Mary Washington hosts Salisbury in a rematch of last year's Capital Athletic Conference championship at 2 pm Saturday at Goolrick Gymnasium. Both are undefeated in the CAC this season.
NCAA's national ranking of individual CAC players in various categories through 1/8:
Points Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher #3
Assists Per Game: Keli Ward, York #30; Maria Rojas, Catholic #36
Blocked Shots Per Game: Liz Hickey, Mary Washington #3; Maura Fair, Goucher #45
Steals Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher #14
Field-Goal Percentage: Shannon Mertz, Catholic #12; Chanel Perez, York #43
Free-Throw Percentage: Debbie Bruen, Mary Washington #2; Stacy Hollander, Goucher #29
Salisbury is ranked #3 in scoring offense; UMW tied at #1 for winning percentage
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary
Games to watch today (Jan 14) ::)
On the women's side, other interesting games featuring ranked teams include Salisbury at No, 7 Mary Washington
......and the final score is - Mary Washington 77 Salisbury 57
Final from York....
YCP 83-St. Mary's 70
:oMcMurry (13-0) and Mary Washington (14-0) ;) are the last remaining unbeaten teams in Division III women's basketball. 8)
Quote from: Balder Eagle on January 14, 2006, 03:36:35 PM
......and the final score is - Mary Washington 77 Salisbury 57
Salisbury doubled and tripled the posts and got beat by the open 3s outside
Catholic 65, Goucher 61 (1 OT) yesterday
I read both schools accounts of the game. This was more competitive than I'd have expected based on the two schools' seasons so far. Is there anyone who was there that can add insight?
UMW ranked #5 in the latest Massey Ratings through Jan. 16th.
UMW ranked 5th in the latest D3 Hoops Poll garnering 2-1st place votes.
The most interesting matchup tomorrow looks like Marymount at Salisbury, as one gets its second CAC loss. A chance York at CUA could prove interesting, too. York needs another CAC win.
Some nasty talk especially from York 06 on the men's CAC board about the men's York/CUA matchup tonight. It sounds like there'll be a good but heated crowd at DuFour. I wonder if it could spill over onto the floor, maybe even late in the womens' game?
NCAA's national ranking of individual CAC players in various categories through 1/15:
Points Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher #3
Assists Per Game: Keli Ward, York #36; Maria Rojas, Catholic #38
Blocked Shots Per Game: Liz Hickey, Mary Washington #3; Maura Fair, Goucher #44
Steals Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher #18
Field-Goal Percentage: Shannon Mertz, Catholic #29; Chanel Perez, York #38
Free-Throw Percentage: Debbie Bruen, Mary Washington #3; Stacy Hollander, Goucher #12; Christen Barney, Salisbury #31
UMW tied at #1 for winning percentage
For those unable to make it in person to a game tonight...
UMW at Goucher doubleheader live webcast at 5:30 and 7:30.
http://athletics.umw.edu/broadcastschedule.htm
To quickly go back to the GOU/CUA game on Saturday night... GOU should have won it.
I caught the last few minutes of the 2nd half and the entire OT... but it should have never gotten to the OT>
Goucher had the ball in the final seconds. But there was about a three second difference between the shot clock and the game clock. Goucher got a shot off in the lane... just before the buzzer sounded. On the rebound... Goucher had it wide open in the post with no one around... but the player thought the horn she heard was the regulation horn... it was the shot clock. She turned around... two three steps with the ball and flipped it behind her.
Whistle... traveling violation... with 1.4 seconds on the clock.
All she had to do was put the ball back up on the backboard... even if she did think the half was over... and Goucher walks away with the win.
Competitive game was an understatement. Both teams tried hard but the Cards got the edge in OT.
Final from DuFour...
Catholic (12-3, 4-1) 69
York (7-8, 2-3) 65
Four Cardinals in double figures led by Shannon Mertz with 15 points and five rebounds. Mertz goes to the line 12 times, converting 11 of those chances. Kristen Linderoth adds 13 points and eight rebounds while Jackie DeBorger and Liz Koruda each contribute 12 points.
Senior Jess Huntley leads the Spartans with 16 points and nine rebounds while freshman point guard Keli Ward chips in with 12 points, six rebounds, four assists, and two blocked shots. Kristen Daly and Chanel Perez each record 10 points and seven rebounds.
Mary Washington over Goucher, 87-46
Jenn Olinger, Debbie Bruen, Leigh Kampman in double figures for the Eagles.
Stacy Hollander & Shadae Swan in double figures for the Gophers.
Where have the Catholic, Salisbury, and Marymount posters disappeared to? How about some insight on last night's games? The scores look very interesting.
And thanks, d-mac, on the insight on the CUA/Goucher game last Saturday. The case of the Missing Buzzer Beater! I bet she felt horrible.
Yeah... the look on her face when she heard the whistle and saw the clock was... priceless (for lack of a better word)... maybe this described it best: :o followed by :-[
As for last night's UMW/GOU game... do you really need insight on a 40-plus point blow out?! UMW is simply that good. I wouldn't want to get in the way of these girls. They go 10-11 deep easily... with no let up in play. Probably going to take a loss or two before the tournament... and then it should be interesting.
I assume it was you wearing the sweatshirt with d-mac on the front at the UMW/Gooucher game? I was interested in insight into the Salisbury/MU overtime game & the close York/CUA game. I wonder where their posters have gone?
Tomorrow's CAC matchups have the first 4 teams in the league standings playing against the teams that are currently the bottom 4.
Well, I saw the last 12:00 or so the York-CUA game. York was up by around 13 I believe, but Catholic started to slowly chip away with great defense. I don't think York scored for a good 5 minutes or so. Shannon Mertz was in some foul trouble so Liz Koruda, a freshman, came in and played great. Catholic nearly gave it away at the end with some problems beating the York press---they turned it over undneath the York basket--but survived. Its funny--both the men's and women's games featured CUA coming back from big deficits. Both teams did a good job keeping their composure and not trying to get everything back at once...
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 19, 2006, 04:32:48 PM
I assume it was you wearing the sweatshirt with d-mac on the front at the UMW/Gooucher game?
Can't say that I was!
I was
just a bit better dressed than that!
Why are the Catholic woman listed as 10-3 in the region? One of their losses is at Christopher Newport who is from the south. Shouldn't they be listed as 10-2 in the region?
Quote from: d-mac on January 20, 2006, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 19, 2006, 04:32:48 PM
I assume it was you wearing the sweatshirt with d-mac on the front at the UMW/Gooucher game?
Can't say that I was!
I was just a bit better dressed than that!
Ah, satorial splendor; I should have known.
Quote from: cugrad on January 21, 2006, 01:56:30 AM
Why are the Catholic woman listed as 10-3 in the region? One of their losses is at Christopher Newport who is from the south. Shouldn't they be listed as 10-2 in the region?
In the NCAA regional rankings, a team's regional record includes games against teams that are in the region and also games against opponents from schools that are located within a certain distance from the original team's school.
#2 Washington U and #4 George Fox lost last night. #5 Mary Washington should move up if not upset by York today.
This is the third season in which a regional game has been defined in this way. It's listed in the FAQ.
This is used in all sports...
It's funny, for example, Lebanon Valley is 199 miles from Mary Washington, so it's in-region. I wanted to call the NCAA and ask if we went the long way around the beltway if it could be considered as out of region, since we lost to them.
:o
You wouldn't believe the lobbying I get from coaches to list a game as in-region or out of region, depending on the results. The funny thing is, it's black and white, it either is or it isn't, and I am using the same tool the NCAA is. Our opinion of whether a game is regional or non-regional doesn't mean a thing.
I had a coach recently tell me, paraphrasing, 'the NCAA says this game is 203 miles'. But of course, that's only true if the NCAA is using Mapquest, which it specifically is NOT.
The real distance is 186, exactly as I told them. The NCAA confirmed it for me.
UMW 77, York 73 in OT
Freshman guard Katy Larson scored eight of her 14 points in overtime to lead five Eagles in double figures, as the fifth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team topped a tough York squad, 77-73, in overtime on Saturday to improve to 16-0 on the season, and 6-0 in Capital Athletic Conference play.
The Eagles led, 32-24 at halftime, but York knotted the game with five seconds left in regulation on a layup by Chanel Perez. The Eagles took charge in overtime, as UMW got ahead, and went 9-10 from the free throw line in the extra frame.
The Eagles were led by sophomore center Liz Hickey, who had 16 points, seven rebounds, and seven blocked shots. Larson had 14 points and four assists, Debbie Bruen added twelve points and eight boards, and Amanda Bates and Kaitie Clarkin each scored ten for UMW. Kristen Daly scored a career-high 27 points for York.
UMW will host Marymount University on Wednesday at 6 pm in another Capital Athletic Conference showdown.
UMW-York. UGLY game. York came to play and the Eagles looked out-of-sync. Refs were terrible both ways. Too many turnovers and missed shots. But it's a "W". :)
How about St. Mary's handing Salisbury their 2nd CAC loss. It's getting interesting........
UMW/York
York's Daly had a career high 27 points, 11-24 from the field & 5-5 FT.
UMW's Lisa Tracey didn't play, illness.
York outrebounded Eagles who turned it over a lot, often unforced.
Quote from: eaglemaniac on January 21, 2006, 08:47:56 PM
UMW-York. UGLY game. ... But it's a "W".
Definitely not pretty, but then again, all Ws are prettier than Ls.
CUA's DeBorger had a quite good game against Gallaudet. She scored 16 out of total 24 points in first half. 6-6 FG, 4-4 3FG in 11 minutes. At end of the game, she got 9-12 FG, 6-8 3FG in just 18 minutes for game high 24 points to led Cardinals win over the Bison, 75-33.
Pride, what's up with Gally only having 5 players dressed for the game? I have never seen that before---those girls must have been exhausted! I was wondering what would happen if one got hurt or fouled out. I would think they could find a few more bodies at least, even if they aren't particularly talented...
CUA tried to pull back in that game and pulled their starters pretty early, but aside from taking a shot clock violation every trip, not much you can do.
Interesting to note that UMW has only played 4 Home games so far this season. I think all that "Road" play has benefited this team. 6 of the remaining 9 Regular Season games are at Home. Tough one on Wednesday as Marymount comes a calling.
UMW ranked #4 in the latest D3 Hoops Poll. Would've thought they would get #3 this week. Guess 2 Loss Wash U. gets more Love. Maybe the scare at York kept em from moving up higher.
I guess it's about their reputation...
Also, Scranton (2nd) is 14-1, with their lone loss - an 8 pt loss to Catholic.
CUA loses to Susquehanna 65-56 tonight. York wins big over E-town.
Latest Massey Ratings (out of 424 schools listed):
UMW- #5
CUA- #44
MU- #117
SAL- #149
YCP- #186
SMC- #233
GOU- # 256
GAL- # 373
A different look on offense for Mary Washington in beating Marymount 55-43.
UMW often left the middle wide open and abandoned the post up game. They took 27 three pointers (9 for 27) and weren't in position to get many offensive boards. Kaitie Clarkin hit 5 of 9 threes, probably 4 of them in a row, to lead the Eagles.
Wesley College to Join Capital Athletic Conference
DOVER, De. - Wesley College athletic teams will join the Capital Athletic Conference for the 2007-08 academic year, according to Dr. Scott D. Miller, President of the College. The announcement was made Thursday night at a press conference in Carpenter Hall at the College. Wesley teams will compete in seven of the CAC's men's sports and nine women's sports beginning in the 2007-08 season against traditional members Salisbury (MD) University, Gallaudet (DC) University, University of Mary Washington (VA) , Marymount (VA) University, St. Mary's College of Maryland, and York College of Pennsylvania. In addition to Wesley, Villa Julie College in Baltimore and Hood College in Frederick, Maryland, will also be joining the conference. Goucher (MD) and Catholic (DC) University of America will be joining a newly formed, yet-to-be-named eight-member athletic conference that will begin competition in 2007. "The Capital Athletic Conference is one of the top NCAA Division III conferences in the country," Dr. Miller said. "The members have impeccable academic reputations. The CAC is an established, well-respected conference that has produced many national champions. Members are first and foremost impressive academic institutions. Our teams will have the opportunity to play in a very competitive conference with institutions that are similar to us academically, athletically and within our geographic region." The Wolverines have been members of the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (PAC) since 1998 in all sports except football. The gridders compete in the Atlantic Central Football Conference, a conference that includes Salisbury, Frostburg (MD) State, State University of New York, Brockport, Buffalo State, and Newport News. Dr. Miller indicated that with the growth in size and stature of Wesley in recent years, the College has been exploring several options. The College has been cited in a number of national publications for academic quality, growth and resource acquisition. For the past two years, Wesley has been recognized as a top tier Northern Comprehensive College by U.S. News and World Report. Enrollment has increased from 1,052 to 2,400 during the past eight years and fund raising topped $62 million. Dr. Miller said that Mike Drass, Executive Director of Intercollegiate Sports and Recreation, chaired the process of recommending the most appropriate fit for the Wesley program. He added that discussions with the CAC have been ongoing for approximately three years. ?The move to the Capital Athletic Conference is a further demonstration of our commitment to our student-athletes,? Drass said. ?The CAC is one of the top conferences in the country, yet member institutions have a tradition of a high level of competitiveness with outstanding students. They (the CAC) place a high priority on the well-being of the student-athlete?in scheduling and in adhering to strict codes of sportsmanship. Likewise, the College has a heavy concentration of alumni and families of current students in the Capital Athletic Conference region which should result in a stronger following for our program. CAC commissioner Richard C. Cook said Wesley was a good fit for the conference. "We're delighted that Wesley has accepted our offer to join the conference," Cook said. "Wesley was ideally located, with a well-respected and recognized program that is growing."
Adding a 9th member to the CAC. Does this mean that another member (York) may be leaving?
This is a link to the Fredericksburg newspaper article on the Marymount game at Mary Washington
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/012006/01262006/163072/printer_friendly
"We missed some easy shots and we made some costly turnovers--we shot ourselves in the foot." - MMT coach Bill Finney.
Looks like York is staying, which is a good thing for the league... I think the ADs added the ninth to give the league automatic bids across the board (which they don't have now or would with the switch to VJC and Hood alone).
I applaud the CAC administration for the aggressiveness in its efforts in replacing CUA and GOU... Dick Cook, Bill Finney, Mike Vienna, etc... GREAT job.
Quote from: mwcsid on January 27, 2006, 01:28:10 PM
Looks like York is staying, which is a good thing for the league... I think the ADs added the ninth to give the league automatic bids across the board (which they don't have now or would with the switch to VJC and Hood alone).
I applaud the CAC administration for the aggressiveness in its efforts in replacing CUA and GOU... Dick Cook, Bill Finney, Mike Vienna, etc... GREAT job.
Thanks for the info........I had heard Shenandoah was in the mix as well. Are they a possible 10th or do you think this is the end of the expansion.
Shenandoah needs a home for football and I'm sure that means a home with an automatic bid, not the ACFC.
But interestingly, Shenandoah in the CAC would give the CAC four core football members: Salisbury, Wesley, Gallaudet and Shenandoah. If (and that's a huge if) the CAC could count on Gallaudet keeping football around, it could then add three football-only members and qualify for an automatic bid in football.
Frostburg State might still be heading for the CAC. That would give it four core members with Gallaudet, Shenandoah would be five, or four reliable ones. But they would still need three more schools from somewhere to make a reliable seven, and that wouldn't include Newport News, which is not Division III.
I must say, it's kind of amusing to watch the CAC pursue a course of action I was advocating in 1995. :)
Also, I forgot, Villa Julie could be adding football. That would give them more core members.
Catholic women over Marymount, 57-36.
UMW- 90
SMC - 47
The showdown Wednesday at Catholic should be one you don't want to miss!
York took 50 free throws (32 0f 50) while Salisbury took 13 (6-13) in York's 76-73 home victory Saturday.
The Seagulls were whistled for 32 fouls; 15 for the Spartans.
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB19.HTM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on January 28, 2006, 07:22:10 PM
The showdown Wednesday at Catholic should be one you don't want to miss!
And I was Right! What a game UMW wins it at the buzzer 63-61.
A tightly officiated game and both teams played their hearts out. One of the most thrilling endings I've seen. 4 Seconds left, inbound to mid court, quick pass to the wing and the layup at the buzzer. WOW...........
Great game between Mary Wash and Catholic---congrats on Wash for the win, but the Lady Cardinals deserve a lot of credit too. They proved they can play with Mary Washington and next time around beat them. It was a tough situation at the end--Catholic was pressing a bit, 2 players back, but of course they didn't want to foul so they laid back a little...
Of course I'd rather have seen a win, but a loss at the buzzer to the #4 team in the country is nothing to be ashamed about. I hope they get one more shot---and that's the one that counts.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 01:40:34 AM
Great game between Mary Wash and Catholic---congrats on Wash for the win, but the Lady Cardinals deserve a lot of credit too. They proved they can play with Mary Washington and next time around beat them. It was a tough situation at the end--Catholic was pressing a bit, 2 players back, but of course they didn't want to foul so they laid back a little...
Of course I'd rather have seen a win, but a loss at the buzzer to the #4 team in the country is nothing to be ashamed about. I hope they get one more shot---and that's the one that counts.
I agree the Cardinals deserve credit. They are tough at home (Just ask Scranton). If they do meet again though, it's likely to be in Fredericksburg. :)
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 01, 2006, 10:13:30 PM
What a game UMW wins it at the buzzer 63-61.
A tightly officiated game and both teams played their hearts out. One of the most thrilling endings I've seen. 4 Seconds left, inbound to mid court, quick pass to the wing and the layup at the buzzer. WOW...........
You're much more polite about the officiating than they are on the CAC's men's board. But both teams played through it. When Catholic managed to tie under pressure with under 5 seconds it looked like OT, but then ... Shifflett to Bruen to Clarkin for the UMW win! WOW is right.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 02, 2006, 01:40:34 AM
Great game between Mary Wash and Catholic---congrats on Wash for the win, but the Lady Cardinals deserve a lot of credit too.
Of course I'd rather have seen a win, but a loss at the buzzer to the #4 team in the country is nothing to be ashamed about.
Matt - Catholic's tough, especially at DuFour. They deserve lots of credit and respect. But the game did answer a question you raised before
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on December 04, 2005, 08:01:56 PM
I think that Mary Washington probably is very good.
But an alternative explanation for the results that have been mentioned is simply, "the home team won." All those games were home wins for the teams in question. Lets see what happens when CUA heads to Arlington and Mary Wash to DC.
It sure did. But I think since I posted that, Mary Washington has exceeded expectations beyond what even you guys expected. They are a young team, I didn't think they'd run the table. Catholic won at Marymount, too, so that part of it was answered also.
I can only fight so many officiating battles!
That was one of the best played women's games I've ever seen though--well, I got there at halftime, so half's. I think Jackie fouling out for Catholic was pivotal (and no, I didn't like that call)-she's one of their best (and most clutch) players.
UMW's Liz Hickey didn't get 10 minutes of playing time before fouling out. That was a "big" loss for the Eagles. But both teams focused on winning and played through the fouls. When Catholic's players fouled out near the end and others were carrying 4 fouls it cost CUA; but it also showed UMW's depth - UMW got no one in foul trouble except Hickey
40 fouls called in 40 minutes, in a game that wasn't particularly physical...
Actually Bates had four fouls for UMW.
Catholic got upset by St. Mary's today.
Let's just say they didn't play their best basketball. Made a furious comeback to actually take the lead, but blew some open layups, SMC was playing really hard and wanted the win, and...well, I suppose you can call it a learning experience. Or at least Coach Carey will try to turn it into one, I'm sure...
Hmm...Scranton's one loss is to Mary Washington. Mary Washington, undefeated, has beaten Catholic...twice. Scranton is ranked higher than Mary Washington.
Seems like Mary Washington is getting screwed if you ask me.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 07:35:50 PM
Hmm...Scranton's one loss is to Mary Washington. Mary Washington, undefeated, has beaten Catholic...twice. Scranton is ranked higher than Mary Washington.
Seems like Mary Washington is getting screwed if you ask me.
I don't know if I'd use that exact terminology ;) but I agree with your point. At this stage of the race all that matters is where you're ranked at the end of the year.
University of Mary Washington ranked #1 in the latest Massey ratings thru Feb. 5th. Way to go Eagles :) Is it the end of the year already ;D
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 06, 2006, 09:42:52 PM
University of Mary Washington ranked #1 in the latest Massey ratings thru Feb. 5th.
Not in the true Massey Ratings. The ones you're looking at are the dumbed-down ones he had to create for the BCS.
In the true Massey Ratings, the ones that had Millikin #1 during the season last year and are the better predictors, Mary Washington is 12th.
http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=1
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 06, 2006, 07:35:50 PM
Hmm...Scranton's one loss is to Mary Washington. Mary Washington, undefeated, has beaten Catholic...twice. Scranton is ranked higher than Mary Washington.
Seems like Mary Washington is getting screwed if you ask me.
Scranton's loss is to Catholic. Mary Washington has not played Scranton.
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:21 AM
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
Pick whatever you like, but the one I linked has an actual track record. Yours has never proven anything.
Sorry, that's what I meant. I was at the Catholic-Scranton game. That's why I was pointing out what Catholic had done against Mary Wash compared to Scranton.
The point stands.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 07, 2006, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 07, 2006, 06:41:21 AM
You pick your ratings.........I'll pick mine...........
http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6
Pick whatever you like, but the one I linked has an actual track record. Yours has never proven anything.
Time will Tell.......
You might think UMW is getting screwed, but Scranton has a proven track record while UMW is relatively new this high up (though still unbeaten). UMW is still getting first place votes, though I thought they would be getting one or two more (from Scranton) this week. However, Scranton was in last year's Final Four... UMW was a second-rounder. Those things are considered when it comes to the Top 25.
Oh, it really doesn't matter anyway... to make a dent in the first place votes, they have to come from Southern Maine's votes... and even after watching UMW myself, I can't say they are better than the Polar Bears.
what does last years team have to do with this year......new players, graduates, etc.........seems like you are biased against a very good CAC team......Scranton had their shot in the Final Four last year and blew it.......and you expect them to be back?????? UMW desreves a little more credit than you are giving them.....
Besides, D Mac go put on your glasses......you're on the wrong board.....this is the "Mighty Atlantic".....not the "Middle Atlantic" !!!!!!
D-mac is from your conference. I am sure he knows full well what board he's on.
I do know the board... I have posted here before... and I think very highly of the UMW Women (ask Clint, ask all those who have listened to Hoopsville when I have talked about them - even the interview with Coach Applebury).
However, I can understand why UMW is not getting the "respect" you feel they deserve. I disagree that just because Scranton "got their chance" doesn't mean they aren't still that good. They have one loss... early in the season to what has proved to be a tough CUA team. But, the voters are certainly more in favor of USM - which was at the Final Four last year as well. Should we demote the Polar Bears as well since they have had their CHANCES!!!
UMW has never been this far in a season undefeated. They are playing in a confusing conference (the CAC can sometimes be really good, or subpar). And unless you go an actually beat Scranton, the chances of those two votes swing your way without a Scranton loss... or probably very slim.
Just enjoy the fact that the Eagles are undefeated and actually ranked in the Top 5. The three of teams above UMW are yearly powers, always at the top. UMW is brand new!
I can not believe that the individual responsible for putting together the top 25 (Pat Coleman) can say that a teams "track record" in previous years has an impact on where they are placed in the following years standings. That is ridiculous. If a team is undefeated this year, but lost in the second round of the NCAA's last year, that should not matter. Yes Scranton,Southern Maine, and Washington U are legitamite top-quality programs, year after year, but Mary Washington is the best team in D3 at this moment. They should definitely be ranked ahead of Washington U. I also saw Scranton play twice, and saw UMW three times. Mary Washington is a better team, no doubt.. They find ways to win, and play excellent team basketball.
The CAC as well as the NJAC in previous years do not get any true respect from D3 Hoops in my opinion. Our Atlantic regions top teams would beat many, and I mean many, of D3 Hoops Top 25 on any given night!! Wake up and put UMW where they belong, at the TOP!
NJAC,
Pat Coleman said no such thing--D-Mac did. I don't know if he's a voter or not (he may be), but regardless I think he was probably alluding to the fact that certain teams get elevated thanks to their reputations, fair or not.
I don't know if UMW is the best team in the country, or not...probably not. My initial argument (ironic that a CUA guy actually started this) though is that if you're going to have a poll, it doesn't seem logical to me to put an undefeated team behind a team that's lost to a team that the undefeated team beat twice. Just doesn't make much sense to me. And I would note that the CUA-Scanton game was more like the first CUA-UMW game than the second one---not all that close. Judging from the 2nd game, I would put CUA on the same par as UMW (either team could have one in the second game, not so the first--and also not so for the CUA-Scranton game).
Just seems unfair that UMW is behind Scranton. However, the voters probably have perfectly legitimate questions about whether such a young team can really go deep in the tournament. I have those same questions, but I didn't think they could go undefeated, either.
Polls have limited value--the year Catholic won the National Championship on the men's side, they weren't even in the top 10 (in fact I'm not even sure they were top 15) going into the tournament.
I apologize to Pat.. My comments are for D-Mac..
Let me add my two cents.Mary Washington is probably a good team but don`t compare them anywhere near Scranton.Look at scheaduling first M.W teams they played this year wins 145 losses 159 -6 teams over .500 the rest all below .500 and by the way how many top 25 teams have you beaten.Now lets get to the Lady Royals scheaduling wins 212 losses 122,teams over .500 13 teams under .500 3.top 25 teams Scranton beat 3.And matt when Catholic beat Scranton it was the 3rd game of the season Catholic wouldn`t have a chance to even shine there sneakers now.
Yeah well that's basketball. You don't always get a do-over...the easiest thing in the world is to say is that 'if we played them now...' Yeah, well you don't. So we have one game to go on.
And it might not have occured to you, but Catholic's gotten better too.
I'm not arguing that Scranton isn't better than Mary Washington, I don't know. But at some point, you have to honor the undefeated season, particularly when it includes 2 wins against a team that a one-loss team lost to.
You'll get your chance to prove it on the court eventually, anyway.
Matt it might happen again in the playoffs.I would love to see Middle Atlantic vs Atlantic and then time will tell. I would put my money on the Lady Royals.
I find it hard to think that a top 5 ranking is "screwing" a team or showing a lack of respect for it.
The top 4 teams are ranked as the top 1% of the teams in D3.
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BBaldy,
How can you say that uofs is not showing disrespect for UMW, Catholic, and the CAC....he first writes that UMW can't compare to Scranton, quotes some Boloney stats, and than finishes with Catholic couldn't even shine sneakers!!!!!
uofs needs to sober up and slither on back to the "Middle of the Pack" Atlantic Board....and just pray that a CAC team doesn't meet Scranton early in the NCAA playoffs...
jfarchitect -
My comment addressed Mary Washington's ranking in the top 5, not uofs's rant or Scranton
At the half in York...
Catholic 33-York 31. The halftime lead is the only lead of the game for the Cardinals. York has committed 13 turnovers in the game.
Keli Ward leads the Spartans with nine points.
Kristen Linderoth leads CUA with 14 points.
UMW 44, GOU 21 at half.
Liz Hickey has ten points and 11 rebounds at the half, Debbie Bruen 10 and 8. Olinger good shooting half, with 10 as well.
UMW is outrebounding GOU, 32-11.
3 min 30 sec. left in game CUA 59 York 57
Final from York...
York 70-CUA 65
Box Score available at:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB22.HTM
I wasn't able to make the CUA @ York game, and dont know if the officials made or broke the game for either team, but I do have a small problem with the CAC officials. I know this isn't the ACC or Big East , but this is the second straight game CUA has had the same referee. And this is not the first time this has happened. CUA had the same referee for the MWU and St. Mary's game and now the same ref for the St. Mary's game and York game, if York's box score is correct. I don't know if this is usual or not but the one official did have an influence on the MWU and St. Mary's game.
That happens alot more than you think. The officials really didn't have any impact on the game tonight. York played very well in the second half and CUA couldn't answer York's late run.
By the way, the official Keli Ward for Rookie-of-the-Year bandwagon is filling up. Get on while there is still room.
Ward had another double-double tonight. She ranks first in the CAC in rebounding (8.7 rpg) as point guard, while she also ranks first in assists (5.6 apg), first in assist to turnover ratio (2.03-to-1), second in offensive rebounds, second in defensive rebounds, 11th in scoring, seventh in field goal percentage, fifth in free throw percentage, sixth in steals, and 14th in blocked shots (again, as a 5-5 point guard). She is a big reason when the youthful Spartans have won five of their last six.
Yeah, the same official from tonight is not good, but she's not the blonde who they've had a bunch of games in a row who truly, truly is not watching the same game as everyone else.
I didn't see enough of this game to know what happened, but considering how well York played at Catholic (they had a sizeable lead and just kind of blew up at the end), I guess its not surprising they won.
Today is "boast about the seniors day" for UMW, Jenn Olinger for the women (team-high 16 with 4 threes) for the women and Mike "Mad Dog" Mattson for the men. Only one senior each on UMW's teams, and they both played great last night (as they both have of late).
The beard(s) must stay!!!
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 12:27:08 AM
she's not the blonde who they've had a bunch of games in a row who truly, truly is not watching the same game as everyone else.
If you're talking about the blonde who did the Catholic - Mary Washington game, she's as bad as they get.
York had an impressive win over Cathoic, which seems to be tough at home, but not as tough on the road. Am I reading that right, or is something else going on?
The Marymount - Salisbury score last night was also an eyecatcher.
Congratulations to the UMW Eagles for winning the CAC regular season title. These next 4 games before the playoffs will all be tough (@ SAL, Frostburg, @MU, YCP) and great preparation for the playoffs.. Good Luck Ladies!
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 09, 2006, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 12:27:08 AM
she's not the blonde who they've had a bunch of games in a row who truly, truly is not watching the same game as everyone else.
If you're talking about the blonde who did the Catholic - Mary Washington game, she's as bad as they get.
Yes, that's exactly who I'm talking about. Catholic had her Saturday at SMC too where she was actually even worse. It feels like she might as well just travel with the team because she does every game. But then she appears to hate us, so that might be unpleasant.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 09, 2006, 12:47:22 PM
she appears to hate us
I only saw her once (UMW - CUA) so I don't know what she did those other games. She was consistently bad throughout the game I saw - I didn't think she favored one team, just was very bad. If she "hates" anything, I'd have said it's the game of basketball she hates.
The Beard
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdiversecomputer.com%2FThe_Beard.jpg&hash=a4d97c49c0eadab5cc1f8ffd279e58fb6d258c09)
Is that Robert E. Lee on the Right? :)
I definetly agree. The blonde official seems to not be paying attention during games. Aren't officials supposed to pay attention? ???
Are those beards ten inches long yet???
UMW is hosting a "Locks for Love" benefit on Feb. 18, to raise money and get hair donations for children with cancer...
But the donations have to be ten inches long!!!
(insert smiley face with a big beard here)
:-)
http://www.locksforlove.org
Yeah, maybe she hates basketball. Or basketball players, I don't know.
(Dude--I was being facetious anyway--I was talking about having her on the team bus since she does all our games anyway)...
So in conclusion, I wouldn't want her on the bus.
so any suggestions on an ALL CAC team yet
POY CUA--Kristen Linderoth/ UMW Liz Hickey
]ROY CUA--Kristen Linderoth
COY (3rd yr) UMW Denna Applebury/ (1st yr) CUA Margaret Carey
ALL CAC
CUA --Kristen Linderoth/Shannon Mertz
UMW--Debbie Bruen/Liz Hickey
SAL--Christen Barny
York--Keli Ward/Kisten Daly
For POY Linderoth might be a stretch, but she should definetly be canidate and she should be the leading canidate for ROY. I think COY will most likely go to Coach Applebury if UMW wins the CAC Championship, and likewise for Coach Carey( if CUA wins the conference championship). If Catholic wins the CAC that is huge a win for the Cards because they will finally prove they can win on the road. UMW is a very young team and have the potential to go to the dance the next 3 years with CUA leaving the conference, and the great job Coach Applebury has done with recruiting.
Quote from: cuadude92 on February 09, 2006, 09:16:08 PM
( if CUA wins the conference championship). If Catholic wins the CAC that is huge a win for the Cards because they will finally prove they can win on the road.
Catholic's never won the CAC :D, so saying it would be "huge" for it to win it on the road this year is an understatement ;)
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 09, 2006, 03:33:35 PM
Is that Robert E. Lee on the Right? :)
Yes, Suh.
The General still holds Marye's Heights and now defends Goolrick. ;D
Final from St. Mary's ....
York 76-St. Mary's 74
I am biased but when a 5-6 (if that) point guard leads the conference in assists AND rebounding as a freshman, I would think she would be the frontrunner for ROY.
Kristen Daly leads York with 21 points while Keli Ward adds 17 points, five rebounds, four assists, two steals and a blocked shot.
Linderoth is good but what does she do other than score? (Just asking, I don't really have time to look up the stats, I am too busy posting up :)
Quite a few of UMW's freshmen would be the Rookie of the Year if they played more than 20 minutes per game... Clarkin, Larson, Kampman... They would all have very strong per-game numbers if they played 35 min. a game.
Linderoth is a very good defender and is a rebounding machine. I seriosly think she has a chance at CUA's all-time rebounding record.
UMW was up 8 at halftime at SAL in the "almost" primetime game today...
UMW up 20 with eight minutes left in Salisbury...
UMW 72, SAL 54
Freshman Leigh Kampman scored 14 points and added seven rebounds, and junior forward Debbie Bruen scored 14 points and added six boards in leading the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 72-54 victory at Salisbury University on Saturday evening, improving the Eagles' record to 22-0 overall and 12-0 in Capital Athletic Conference play.
The Eagles shot 45.5% from the floor, and had seven different players with two assists each. UMW held Salisbury to 27% shooting from the floor, and the Eagles committed just five second half turnovers.
Yeah Linderdoth does a lot more than score...she has great hands inside and is an excellent rebounder (I believe she's up near 5 a game). Keep in mind Shannon Mertz is grabbing a lot of rebounds that Linderoth would get.
To me, she's gotta be ROY---I'd go as far as to call her the difference maker for Catholic. She's the best freshman woman I've ever seen play at Catholic.
So who nominates the POY/ROY and the weekly award winners? Is it the coaches or SID's ?
Halftime at Goolrick:
UMW 50, Frostburg 22
FSU has just four field goals at halftime.
Olinger leads the way with 17 for UMW.
UMW 92, Frostburg 56
Senior guard Jenn Olinger poured in a career-high 21 points to lead the fourth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 92-56 win over Frostburg State University on Monday at Goolrick Gymnasium. The Eagles improve to 23-0 overall, and remain the only undefeated team in NCAA Division III women's basketball.
UMW jumped out early, leading 50-22 at halftime. The Eagles were 8-12 on three-pointers in the opening frame, and 10-11 from the free throw line. Frostburg made just five field goals in the first half.
Olinger scored her career high 21 points on 8-11 shooting from the floor, including 4-6 on three pointers. Also in double figures for the Eagles were Debbie Bruen and Leigh Kampman with twelve points each, while Liz Hickey scored eleven points and added 14 rebounds and seven blocked shots, and Ashton Mitchell added ten points.
Frostburg was led by Stephanie Watts' 16 points, and Kristin Hargrove's 13.
Interesting talking to FSU's coach afterward... Scranton beat Frostburg by eleven earlier in the year...
Great team win last night, Eagles. :) Very impressive individual numbers, too, at 20 minutes or so a player.
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 13, 2006, 02:04:13 PM
So who nominates the POY/ROY and the weekly award winners? Is it the coaches or SID's ?
No one nominates the POY/ROY. The league's coaches each vote for the player on another team who they think deserves the recognition. The procedure is set out in part 2 of the CAC Handbook, available at:
http://www.cacsports.com/handbook.htm
BBald Eagle:
Thanks for the info..........
MWCSID: Please enlighten...what was the "interesting' info the Frostburg coach shared???
Matt,
As strong as you feel about Linderoth for ROY, I feel equally as strong about Ward's candidacy.
A ranking between the two players using this week's CAC Stats:
PPG: Ward (11th, 11.3 ppg), Linderoth (12th, 10.7 ppg)
RPG: Ward (1st, 8.6 rpg), Linderoth (11th, 6.4 rpg)
FG %: Linderoth (5th, 51.1%), Ward (8th, 44.0%)
Assists: Ward (1st, 5.4 apg), Linderoth (not ranked)
FT%: Linderoth (4th, 81.8%), Ward (6th, 81.1%)
Steals: Ward (6th, 2.1 spg), Linderoth (not ranked)
3pt FG%: Neither ranked
3pt FG Made: Neither ranked
Blocked Shots: Linderoth (5th, 1.14 bpg), Ward (T11th, 0.57 bpg)
Assist to Turnover Ratio: Ward (1st, 2.05), Linderoth (not ranked)
Offensive Rebounds: Ward (2nd, 3.13 orpg), Linderoth (12th, 2.36 orpg)
Defensive Rebounds: Ward (2nd, 5.48 drpg), Linderoth (11th, 4 drpg)
I think that if you go by statistics, which I think you can do in a ROY situation as opposed to POY which should include team success, then Keli is the hands down ROY. Add her importance to a young team and, to me :), she is the winner.
I know there are some good freshman in the league but Keli, in my opinion, is the best of the bunch.
Well you can't go wrong with either, but in Linderoth's defense...
Because Catholic is deeper and a little older than York, Linderoth is playing fewer minutes. I'm going to sort of use your argument from the men's board here on you. She's playing 7 fewer minutes a game and is on, statistically, a better team...so it stands to reason her numbers are going to be slightly less on ppg and rpg. But the thing that jumps up is field goal percentage--Ward is taking (and missing) more shots to get to her numbers.
I'm sure why ROY is any different than POY in terms of team success. Also, Linderdoth is really coming on strong here at the end of the season. Unlike Ward, she didn't start all her team's games. Her playing time has increased throughout the year as its been clear how good she is.
You can make a really strong argument either way.
Time for my occasional mention of Clarkin, or Kampman, or Larson...
All three have been major reasons why UMW has had such a great year, and gives UMW a completely different look than last year (read: high pressure).
Hopefrully I'll have a halftime score from MMT soon...
Clint,
Good points but there is a reason that Keli plays alot of minutes. She's really good. And also, I am not sure Catholic is that much better than York right now. The Mary Washington kids are hurt in the same way that York's guys are. Great teams don't always get the individual recognition.
Anyway,
at the half, York 46-Gallaudet 22.
Ward has eight points, seven boards, three asssists in just 13 minutes.
Halftime in Arlington,
UMW 34, MMT 26
Big first half for Liz Hickey...
Final from York...
YCP 81-Gallaudet 52
Keli Ward finishes with 16 points, six assists, nine rebounds and two turnovers in 22 minutes. Kristen Daly adds 14 while Jess Kemp has 11. Jessica Salisbury leads Gallaudet with 14 points while Johanna Karmgard chips in with 13.
Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB24.HTM
Boy for being ranked number Fourth you should`ve wiped there ass M.W. LOVE THE HILLBILLIES
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 10:05:28 PM
Boy for being ranked number Fourth you should`ve wiped there ass M.W. LOVE THE HILLBILLIES
I do hope UMW gets to play Scranton in the tournament. Then we'll see which team was appropriately ranked. And learn to spell >:(
As someone that has played both teams, I give the nod to UMW over Scranton. Scranton is very very inconsistent from outside, but very big inside. My vote is still for UMW though.
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 10:05:28 PM
Boy for being ranked number Fourth you should`ve wiped there ass M.W. LOVE THE HILLBILLIES
Oh, what an ass...correct me if I'm wrong, eaglepeople, but wasn't it senior night at Marymount? The Marymount women's program is pretty damn proud, I would expect them to show up and BRING IT on their senior night. Winning there is a good win for Mary Wash. It was also a good win for Catholic.
Bring it on
please inform me of my spelling.
congrats to the Catholic U Lady Cards on an outstanding victory last night over the Seagulls from Salisbury 88-77 in overtime in Salisbury..They showed the real meaning of playing with Heart and Determination to come from 19 down with 13 min to play to tie the game and eventually win ..some of the best double teaming and traps i've seen all year forcing the Seagulls to turn the ball over5-6 times in about a 90 sec span and Catholic responding with points on each occasion... Catholic returns to action for the final CAC regular season on Sat vs Gallaudet at thr DuFour Center at 2:00.. again congrats to the lady Cards on a fine well deserved victory
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 10:05:28 PM
Boy for being ranked number Fourth you should`ve wiped there ass M.W. LOVE THE HILLBILLIES
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 10, 2006, 11:45:36 AM
Quote from: eaglemaniac on February 09, 2006, 03:33:35 PM
Is that Robert E. Lee on the Right? :)
Yes, Suh.
The General still holds Marye's Heights and now defends Goolrick. ;D
Hillbillies>? That's a General , Sir! ::)
How about this gal leading the fast break!!
Liz Hickey - 18 points, 17 rebounds, 2 assists and 3 blocked shots.
Congrats Eagles, you showed grit ;)
Mary Washington sophomore Liz Hickey has already broken the school's single season block record (104, which she set as a frosh) with 114 so far this season. ;D UMW junior Debbie Bruen has 999 career points. :)
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 15, 2006, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: uofs on February 15, 2006, 10:05:28 PM
Boy for being ranked number Fourth you should`ve wiped there ass M.W. LOVE THE HILLBILLIES
Oh, what an ass...correct me if I'm wrong, eaglepeople, but wasn't it senior night at Marymount? The Marymount women's program is pretty damn proud, I would expect them to show up and BRING IT on their senior night. Winning there is a good win for Mary Wash. It was also a good win for Catholic.
It was Senior Night and a large, noisy crowd. Great experience under pressure to pull out the "W" on the road. I've also come to expect total inconsistency in Officiating from game to game. ::)
I just want to say how consistent the inconsistency of the officiating was at Salisbury, again. Both teams had to fight against each other, and the referee's. At one point, the offials got numbers mixed up and tried to give a foul to a girl that was not even in the game. I believe this is how it worked: The foul was on Laura Kaye and they gave the foul to Kristen Linderoth. After a discussion the tried to give the foul to Gloria Schnepp, who was not even in the game at the time (she had just subbed in). After 5 minutes, they FINALLY gave the foul to Laura Kaye. I do want to give Salisbury lots of credit. They dominated for the whole first half and some of the second half (if not most). Catholic's bench came out and played last night. They shut down the Sea Gulls when they first came in, something the starters couldn't. Gloria Schnepp had a terrific game and showed lots of heart. Maria Rojas showed tremendous composure and fought back at the end of the game. Coach Carey should be very pleased with the performance of her team in the last 12 minutesor so of the game. Catholic will have tremendous momentum going into the CAC tournament with the win last night and Gallaudet at home Saturday. They should get Goucher at home Tuesday in a game they should win.
Glad to see that the CAC fans are just as wiley over on the women's board.
You just can't touch undefeated.....
Plus, I'm in love with Debbie Bruen! :-*
And catholic fans always think its 9 on 5 in every contest.. with the 6th-9th man being the refs
Clint,
how many double doubles has Liz had this year?
Seven double-doubles, including one triple-double (and again, I'll bring it up, not playing more than 22 minutes a game). My favorite was the W&L game... A double-double in rebounds and blocks.
Three doub-doubs in the last four games, she is certainly picking it up at the right time. Way to go Liz!
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 17, 2006, 01:16:55 PM
And catholic fans always think its 9 on 5 in every contest.. with the 6th-9th man being the refs
I'm pretty sure most Catholic fans can add five and three and get eight, not nine.
ha, well, the 9th red would be my man pete. he always wears a ref jersey and never cheers for cua.
also, Pete the ref tells me I can't add either.
Pat all over my mistakes.......
When Catholic plays Marymount, they probably feel like Coach Finney is the fourth ref. ::) Does anyone in the league work the refs better than Coach Finney?
From Fredericksburg...
With about 6 minutes left in the first, 29-14 UMW over YCP.
The Eagles started the game with a 21-4 run (I believe, Clint can correct that if it is wrong).
Final at Goolrick
UMW 75, YCP 57
Bruen and Hickey 13 pts and 10 reb each, Larson had ten pts.
Hickey had two swats that brought the full house down...
Junior forward Debbie Bruen scored her 1,000th career point, netting 13 points and grabbing ten rebounds to lead the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 75-57 win over York College on Saturday afternoon, thus finishing the regular season with a perfect 25-0 record. ::) :P :)
Congratulations to the UMW Eagles on a perfect Regular and CAC Season. I only hope your coach can relax a bit ;D Best of luck in the Post Season Tournament.
CAC TUESDAY TOURNAMENT PREDICTIONS*
#1 UMW vs. #8 GAL
#2 CUA vs. #7 GOU
#3 MU vs. #6 SMC
#4 YCP vs. #5 SAL
* Past performance not indicative of future results ;)
Congrats to the Mary Washington women's basketball team on a great regular season. It is quite an impressive feat to go through a 25 game schedule undefeated.
Does anyone know which regions will be in specific sectionals? For example, will it be an Atlantic / Mid-Atlantic, or Atlantic / East Sectional......I hope it's an Atlantic / Mid-Atlantic Sectional so we can take care of this Scranton crap once and for all !!
We suspect the CAC Championship, one game at a time, is the focus ;D
Again......does anyone know the regions that will be playing in the Sectionals?
Per Mr. Ralph Turner's Post
Re: Top 25 discussion
Reply #126 on: January 23, 2006, 09:22:53 pm »
Appendix E in the 2006 Women's Handbook shows the Sectional Finals brackets as below.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf
Left side Right Side
Atl vs. NE E vs. MA
Atl vs. NE E vs. MA
S vs. W GL vs. C
S vs. W GL vs. C
WOW.........Mary Washington is a lock for a NCAA bid, even if they get upset in the CAC.......I'm not sure if another CAC team can get in if they don't upset Mary Washington.......Catholic is 6th in the NCAA Rankings........the CAC semi's and finals could be real exciting with the Seniors realizing that this could be it....
Anyway, The Northeast, huh, that's Southern Maine, Bowdoin, and maybe even Brandeis in the Sweet 16.....hopefully up against 2 CAC teams......
JFARCH: Be careful what you wish for!!!
Quote from: saratoga on February 20, 2006, 06:08:03 PM
JFARCH: Be careful what you wish for!!!
?? jfarchitect hopes for 2 CAC teams in the NCAA Sweet 16s but says no other CAC team even gets into the NCAAs unless it upsets Mary Washington in the CAC tournament. He must be wishing for an upset in the CAC torurnament???
BeBaldy....Did you figure that out all by yourself??
What a genius!!!
You gave me the key to understanding your posts:
Quote from: jfarchitect on December 09, 2005, 03:37:31 PM
a little confusion........i guess that's what happens when you work late.....or is it 1 too many beers.......
Lets go Eagles!
Halftime at Goolrick...
UMW 51, GAL 23
Hickey 10 pts, Flanagan 9
Karmgard 14 for GAL.
Final from York...
York 69-Salisbury 60
Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2005/YCPWBB26.HTM
Final was 95-47 at Goolrick...
Bruen 13 and eight , Hickey 12, Flanagan (4-4 shooting) 11, Larson 10.
Karmgard had 22 for Gallaudet...
Kudos to those young ladies for Gallaudet and Coach Baldridge, they went out every night the last month or so despite a very short bench and competed very hard.
Quote from: mwcsid on February 22, 2006, 12:15:35 AM
Kudos to those young ladies for Gallaudet and Coach Baldridge, they went out every night the last month or so despite a very short bench and competed very hard.
My compliments, too, to Gallaudet. They never stopped playing hard.
CAC players ranked in the top 10 nationally by the NCAA, through 2/19:
Points Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher: #9 at 21.4 ppg
Blocked Shots Per Game: Liz Hickey, Mary Washington: #2 at 4.8 bpg
Free-Throw Percentage: Debbie Bruen, Mary Washington: #3 at 90.3%
Liz Hickey has 3x as many blocks as the ENTIRE men's team. WOW!
Let's Go Eagles
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/polls/rankings/diviii
Is there something wrong with way we list the rankings on our site? Why do you have to link to the NCAA money machine?
good luck to the Lady Cards (CUA) in the CAC Playoff game vs Marymount.. play with heart and conviction and you can overcome any obsticle in your path to the NCAA's
Low Turnovers and MADE Freethrows WIN Games !!!
GO LADY CARDS !!!!
#1 baby! Go MW!
SAT
CAC CHAMPIONSHIP .. Catholic University @ Univ. of Mary Washington
game comes down to Freethrows in Overtime!!!
Catholic Prevails Winners
BOTH TEAMS GO TO NCAA's
Cua"ugly"dog,
I see things haven't changed since I was an undergrad at the "Vatican's University".......if you stopped sipping the suds at the Ratskeller, than maybe your head will clear up and can see how foolish your latest prediction is......
Ha..
JF, I think the Rat is long gone...the whole building over there is pretty much vacant now that the new student center opened. Kills me---I graduated in '02, so I got to pay for it, but not to use it!
Maybe he was over at Brooks or whatever they're calling Kitty's these days.
or at the new "Cardinal Club" that was bought by two CUA baseball alums (old Johnny K's)
WHAT!!!!!!NO RAT.......
Man, yuz guys are "Puppies"....02.....that was last week......
Well, let's all get together and do the old RAH....RAH....cheer for the Catholic Schools tonight....you can't complain about winning seasons and never giving up.....
Puppy or not, I feel old nowadays...married, trying to buy a house, etc....
But yeah, no more Rat. I have to say though most changes have been for the better...if you haven't seen the new student center, its nice...
Anyway, beating Marymount 3 times in a season just isn't going to be easy, but it would be a major accomplishment.
Like I said......just cheer for the Catholic School tonight and you won't be disappointed........
Halftime at Goolrick
UMW 43, YCP 21
Bruen eleven to lead UMW.
Final in the other game was MMT 70, CUA 55
UMW 78, York 40
Good team effort for UMW, every player had at least two FG. Bruen 17 and 8 to lead the way, Flanagan added eleven pts.
CAC Championship will be at 2 pm on Saturday at Goolrick.
Disappointing game for Catholic tonight. I knew beating Marymount three teams would be extremely difficult. CUA just didn't play well--missed so man open shots, couldn't hit from outside, etc. What are you going to do.
Regardless of the outcome of this game, I'd be saying this: its a shame how the officials in the league are intimidated by Bill Finney. It would be nice if there was at least a semblance of a coach's box, yet somehow he's allowed time and again to storm on the court when he doesn't like a call and gets his way more often than not. Its too bad.
Personally, for whatever I know, I think Mary Washington is going to wipe the floor up with Marymount. But we'll see.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2006, 12:40:04 AM
Is there something wrong with way we list the rankings on our site? Why do you have to link to the NCAA money machine?
Your right Pat - there is no reason, I lost my head. My Apologies!
Quote from: mwcsid on February 23, 2006, 09:31:44 PM
UMW 78, York 40
Good team effort for UMW, every player had at least two FG. Bruen 17 and 8 to lead the way, Flanagan added eleven pts.
CAC Championship will be at 2 pm on Saturday at Goolrick.
The generals will be there......
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Quote from: mwcsid on February 23, 2006, 09:31:44 PM
UMW 78, York 40
Good team effort for UMW, every player had at least two FG. Bruen 17 and 8 to lead the way, Flanagan added eleven pts.
CAC Championship will be at 2 pm on Saturday at Goolrick.
Clip of Flanagan's FG w/ Foul (successful foul shot not shown)
http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3AUUEADVS7TO3174G4V0JWGYOM
The Fredericksburg Free Lance Star article on last night's Mary Washington/York game:
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02242006/170678
The CAC championship game will be broadcast by D3hoopsNet on Saturday afternoon. Pregame show at 1:45. Pat Coleman and Dave McHugh on the call from Goolrick Hall.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
D3hoopsNet broadcasts require Windows Media Player and are streamed by Broadcastmonsters.com.
WOOOOO..........BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
MY PREDICTION MAY COME TRUE FOR THE NCAA
Well 1st I will congratulate Marymount on the win. It's always tough to beat a team three in a row. Shots just didn't fall tonight and it's sad that it had to happen in the Championship game. NCAA's next, Good Luck Eagles
QuotePersonally, for whatever I know, I think Mary Washington is going to wipe the floor up with Marymount. But we'll see.
Huge congratulations to the upset by the Saints today. They played their hearts out and they deserve all the credit for their victory. Good luck in the tourney, MU!!
The audio archive of this game is linked on the front page, by the way.
If Catholic doesn't get a NCAA bid (which they most likely won't get). When and where will thier ECAC game be played?????
HERE IS MY PREDICTION BEFORE THE BRACKETS ARE FORMED:
1- Mary Washington, being the number 1 seed in the Atlantic WILL host the Sectionals ( Sweet 16)
2- Pity the team Mary Washington will play in the first round ( it won't be pretty )
3- Marymount will win their first round game and draw a very difficult second round game
4- Mary Washington will be in the "Elite Eight" ( I am not going on the line for anything farther yet )
5- Marymount will play Southern Maine in the Sweet 16.....
OF COURSE THIS IS ALL OUT THE WINDOW IF THE NCAA COMMITTEE PUTS THE 2 CAC TEAMS IN THE SAME BRACKET WHERE THEY MEET IN THE SECOND ROUND
AS FOR CATHOLIC: You are on the right track, the Catholic-Marymount rivalry over the past 6 years was always exciting.......best of luck in your new conference....maybe we ( a CAC team ) will meet again in a future NCAA Tournament.
Congratulations to the Marymount Women and Coach Finney - you were well prepared, played hard and earned a big win.
UMW Eagles look forward to the NCAA Tournament it will be fun!
Quote from: jfarchitect on February 26, 2006, 08:04:18 AM
HERE IS MY PREDICTION BEFORE THE BRACKETS ARE FORMED:
1- Mary Washington, being the number 1 seed in the Atlantic WILL host the Sectionals ( Sweet 16)
2- Pity the team Mary Washington will play in the first round ( it won't be pretty )
3- Marymount will win their first round game and draw a very difficult second round game
4- Mary Washington will be in the "Elite Eight" ( I am not going on the line for anything farther yet )
5- Marymount will play Southern Maine in the Sweet 16.....
I wouldn't bet on #1. UMW has a VERY small gym and even with thoughts of adding some bleatchers, they won't get near 1000 for attendance. It is unfortunete, but they may only get a chance to host the first weekend. I would be
shocked if they would be allowed to host the second weekend.
Marymount playing Southern Maine in the Sweet 16? First, better hope not. Second, don't think they will be in the same bracket. Marymount will probably get killed by the Polar Bears... but I don't even see them even possibly playing each other. I know Marymount played a very good game yesterday - especially on defense - but, without knowing the brackets yet, I would be surprised if they make it out of the 1st round.
when are the selections for the ECAC made and will CUA be playing close to their home?
Those selections are usually made on Monday. They could get a first-round home game. Not sure who filed to play in this tourney so not sure who would host.
jf---
Catholic's still got a year left in the CAC, so the party's not over yet...
UMW hosts the 1st Round against The College of New Jersey.
The other match up pits Muhlenberg vs. Wesleyan (Conn). Good luck Eagles.
The past is prologue ... the new season begins Friday. Good Luck to both CAC teams in the NCAA tournament. Meet again at the end!
Here is the article Fredericksburg paper on the UMW/MMT game:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02262006/171182
Either Catholic wasn't eligibile, didn't want to participate, or wasn't chosen, but whichever it was, CUA is not in the ECAC's.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 27, 2006, 10:06:17 AM
Here is the article Fredericksburg paper on the UMW/MMT game:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/022006/02262006/171182
One cannot argue Marymount's Bill Finney's wisdom :D
Matt,
i may be mistaken but it is my understanding that CUA Lady Cards will Host a game vs McDaniel on Wed at 7:00pm
Yes, big dog, you are right. Apparently for whatever reason the ECAC put everything up BUT the South brackets earlier--I didn't know they didn't do everything at once. So I just scanned the list of teams and didn't see Catholic.
But yes, they host a game, as they should be.
any word yet on
ALL CAC, POY, COY. ROY ?? :-\ ???
Not until tuesday...
The All-CAC selections are on the CAC website now
congratulations to Shannon Mertz, Kristin Linderoth and Maria Rojas on their selection to the 2nd team ALL CAC and to all the LADY CARDS on and outstanding season... good luck in the ECAC's
Hmmm .... Congratulations to all 11 players who made first or second team All-CAC. They all deserve the honor (as would a few others if they'd been selected). Congratulations, too, to POY, COY, and ROY.
Ok, can somebody explain to me how Kristen Linderoth can receive more votes than Keli Ward on the All CAC teams, yet Ward wins the Rookie of the Year????
How does that make ANY sense? If she's good enough to be one spot away from first team all CAC, than why didn't she win ROY?
Now, our friend YCP made a strong argument for Kelli Ward, and I certainly think she is deserving, I'm just saying that the results don't make any sense.
EDIT: I would note that unlike the men, the list specifically says its listed in order of votegetters. And the POY didn't get the most votes, either, but at least she is a senior so you can explain that.
Quote from: Matt Letourneau on February 28, 2006, 03:13:51 PM
EDIT: I would note that unlike the men, the list specifically says its listed in order of votegetters. And the POY didn't get the most votes, either, but at least she is a senior so you can explain that.
Both the first and second team selections look to me like alphabetical listings according to the players' last names ... the heading says the first team is the top 5 vote getters but it doesn't say they are listed that way ... the second team is the next 5 vote getters (plus a tie) ... I doubt statistically that it is very probable that a list in order of the top 5 votegetters just happens to also be alphabetical, and twice at that since the same thing happens in the second team
Yes, that could be it then.
I didn't even think about it because Linderoth was listed first, and how often do you have an 'L' leading off a list? Plus it said it was listed in terms of vote getters.
But, it was probably alphabetical. At least that makes sense. The pair of them must have been pretty close though.
The quality of the freshmen in the CAC this year was obvious. The choice of who should be ROY wasn't as obvious. Either Linderoth or Ward is a good choice. There were others, too.
The coaches' voting for All-CAC, ROY, POY, COY, didn't result in the choice of anyone who was undeserving.
From what I know, I'd agree.
Yep, I did them alphabetically...
Without divulging any secret info, I can tell you that a huge number of players were voted for across the board, lots more than on the men's side. There were six on the second team due to a tie for the final spot.
Whew! Long hours this week... Those dang four home Spring games today mixed in weren't a blessing (at least we won three of four games though).
Go Eagles, Go Saints.
You did a good job, though.
I just got confused with the result.
This is my first time posting on this site but I follow CAC basketball and just wanted to comment on the POY selection. Randi Jones is a decent player but I don't think she was deserving of POY honors.
Mary Washington had a phenomenal year and I feel that either Debbie Bruen or Liz Hickey deserved POY. Mary Wash was one of the best teams in the country and dominated the CAC's during the regular season with the only slip-up coming in the Conference Championship. Bruen averaged 12 points and 8 boards a game for one of the best teams in the country and Hickey averaged 10 and 8 while also dominating the defensive side of the ball. Randi averaged 14 a game but took 200 more shots a game and shot 20 percentage points less then both of the aforementioned players. Give Bruen or Hickey 200 more shots on the year and they would easily be averaging 20 ppg.
Hookie...Pookie,
Soar Grapes!!!!
You're just upset because the POY (Randi Jones) is the one that hit the shot to send Mary Washington in "Desperation" Mode......and I didn't see either Bruen or Hickey respond in overtime as a clutch POY would.........they will have their chance next year.
I'm sure CUA posters would disagree with you also....I thought Lindsey R. was clutch.
Jones gets to go out with a third NCAA tournament to her credit ( 1 Sweet 16, and 1 Elite 8)......although this year, the chances of getting out of the first round will take another high powered effort (as against MW) to move on.......
Randi did hit some clutch shots toward the end of the game, however she didn't blow me away with her performance. She missed a lot of shots and had several turnovers. Randi doesn't shoot a good percentage from the floor and throws up many bad shots.
Plus, you don't give the POY award to someone based on their performance in one game. The award should go to an individual who had a great year all season which led to team success. What's more important, the fact that Randi averaged 2 more points per game cause she took an extra 10 shots every game, or the fact that the two Mary Washington players mentioned played a team game and ended the season with 7(and probably more) wins then Marymount.
Let's go the tape.......59 seconds left in overtime....Marymount up by 2and "Jones hit a 22 footer".... timeout Marymount.......Mary Washington is in trouble.......down by 5 under a minute......and couldn't pull it off on their own court......REALITY CHECK HOOKIE POOKIE!!!!!
Marymount has been carrying the torch for the CAC 5 out the last 6 years (NCAA Appearances)....you nailed the reason in your last post "Teamwork"!!!
Marymount got to the Final 4 in 2002 with a First Team All-American...but....there were 4 starters that averaged in double figures......a totally team oriented game.....that group graduated in 2004.......enter Mary Washington in 2005.....it is up to "Yuz guys" to carry it further......you have the nucleas for 4 years to dominate......
Randi Jones is a senior with a couple of other players that have been there in tough NCAA times.......look at the 4 NCAA appearances:
Sweet 16: losing in double overtime
Sweet 16: losing by 1
Elite 8: losing by 4 to the previous year NCAA Final 4 rep.
Final 4: beating a Middle-Atlantic team by 3 who purchased their airfare the night before because a CAC team never goes to the Final 4....and now, with a player who can carry a team (Randi) when her teammates have never been in these charted waters.......IS Team Oriented.....players learn by example......right Mom and Dad!!!!!
Mary Washington did not know how to pull it out when it counted.......but now they DO!!!!
they are the team that will carry the torch for the next 2-3 years....if they decide too.....and not be a "Bodie Miller" if you get my drift....
It is not up to the underclassman to carry a team........Senior leadership may not even get in the game but can show strength in waning seconds of knowing that this is the last time to "Dance"!!!!!!
THIS POST NOW........NEEDS TO GIVE THE PLAYERS THE CONFIDENCE TO GET TO THE NEXT ROUND.......NOT WHINE ABOUT INTER-CONFERENCE SELECTIONS.......LET US TAKE A LESSON FROM THE YOUNG LADIES OF THE COURT.......THEY ARE ALL A "CLASS ACT"
At the start of next season I want to tell prospects about a conference that leaves the Court proud to be a Champion......when everyone else in D3 took them as not!!!!!
If there were a CAC tournament MVP award, Randi Jones would have been the only logical choice.
She also was easily one of the players who could have been named POY based on the entire year.
The league's coaches see more CAC games in person and on film than probably anyone else. I don't know the tally of their votes for POY, but I don't see how selection of Randi Jones slights Mary Washington's Debbie Bruen (last season's POY) or Liz Hickey or, for that matter, anyone else. After all, the coaches voted Bruen, Hickey, and Jones to the first team All-CAC, which is a real honor.
Randi deserves our congratulations - she had a great year.
SCORES PLEASE!!!!!!!
Halftime at Goolrick -
UMW 40, TCNJ 20
Looks like the Eagles are responding well to their loss...
Damn straight.......they are the team to beat!!!!!!
In from Goolrick
UMW wins - and advances
Go Eagles :D
The score
Mary Washington 79 - The College of New Jersey 41
Here is one...Scranton:78/Marymount:55.
The Fredericksburg newspaper on the first round NCAA game last night between Mary Washington and TCNJ
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/032006/03042006/172786
Debbie Bruen, Jen Olinger, and Jess Shifflett each had a dozen for the Eagles. Liz Hickey added 10. No UMW player played more than 23 minutes and Shifflett scored a point a minute.
In from Goolrick Gymnasium
University of Mary Washington 68
Muhlenberg College 48
THE SWEET SIXTEEN LADIES :o
Congrats, but u get to play a very good Bowdoin team, possibly where they've won 70 in a row. strong in the front court, but major factor is: who'll host?
This is good, a very good Bowdoin team will play a very good UMW team. Only now for the NCAA to determine a location. ;D
congratulations to the UMW Lady Eagles on a fantastic victory tonight ..(2 down 3 to go) you represent the CAC proudly .. play with heart & confidence in the sweet 16 (vs Bowdoin)and there are not many teams out there that can beat.. play hard and smart and good things will happen .. remember :: LOW TURNOVERS AND MADE FREETHROWS win games...
the whole CAC is behind you now !!!
Quote from: cuabigdog on March 04, 2006, 10:40:35 PM
congratulations to the UMW Lady Eagles on a fantastic victory tonight ..(2 down 3 to go) you represent the CAC proudly .. play with heart & confidence in the sweet 16 (vs Bowdoin)and there are not many teams out there that can beat.. play hard and smart and good things will happen .. remember :: LOW TURNOVERS AND MADE FREETHROWS win games...
the whole CAC is behind you now !!!
Actually it's 2 down 4 to go but we'll just look at it one game at a time. :) Great win last night against a very tough Muhlenberg team.
Let's hope we get to stay in Virginia for the next Round! Keep it up EAGLES.......
Lisa Tracy scored 18 and Debbie Bruen scored 16 to lead Mary Washington's attack. Bruen (7 for 10 from the field; 2 for 3 at the foul line) had 7 in the first half when the Eagles only scored 23 to fall behind by 6 at the break. Tracy (5 for 8 from the floor; 8 for 8 from the line) was on fire in the second half, scoring all but two of her 18 points in that half. Ashton Mitchell played a solid defensive game inside and added 8 points. Once they opened a lead, the Eagles never looked back, pouring in 45 second half points.
UMW center Liz Hickey had more fouls (4) and blocks (3) than points (2).
Muhlenberg's Meghan Courtney used her bulk and inside footwork very effectively to score 19.
CAC POY Randi Jones of Marymount was at Goolrick cheering for the Eagles.
Welcome to the Sweet 16, UMW!
This is a link to the Fredericksburg VA newspaper's coverage of the game:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/032006/03052006/173029
eaglemaniac..i was speaking in terms of getting to the big game when i said 2 down 3 to go...i see UMW setting a CAC record for most wins in a single season for women's basketball....and becoming the first CAC Women's team to win it all
Quote from: cuabigdog on March 05, 2006, 11:14:10 AM
i see UMW setting a CAC record for most wins in a single season for women's basketball....and becoming the first CAC Women's team to win it all
We hope you are right! ;D
That's what I love about the "Dance"........you get these knuckleheads like "ronk"......coming over from other boards after a few budweisers thinking that the world evolves around the Northeast.........
ronk, I'm going to give you a little advice.........your last post just made it on the Mary Washington lockerroom chalk board..........YOU ARE NOW THE INCENTIVE FOR ACHIEVING VICTORY.....
hey, if you ever make it to DC.......I'll buy you a six of bud light to calm down that testaterone!!!!!!!!
Don't have anything to do with the Northeast-just saw Bowdoin play 2 NCAA games last year and was passing the info that they had a very good front line back this year. Doesn't mean UMW can't beat them, just that this is the strongest part of their team. UMW has already gained 10 points not having to play them at Bowdoin.
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2006, 10:45:47 PM
Don't have anything to do with the Northeast-just saw Bowdoin play 2 NCAA games last year and was passing the info that they had a very good front line back this year. Doesn't mean UMW can't beat them, just that this is the strongest part of their team. UMW has already gained 10 points not having to play them at Bowdoin.
Thanks ronk, hope to see you in Gorham, Maine. We will be be the ones rooting for the Mary Washington Eagles. ;D
Go Lady Eagles !!!!
Quote from: Balder Eagle on March 06, 2006, 06:34:45 AM
Quote from: ronk on March 05, 2006, 10:45:47 PM
Don't have anything to do with the Northeast-just saw Bowdoin play 2 NCAA games last year and was passing the info that they had a very good front line back this year. Doesn't mean UMW can't beat them, just that this is the strongest part of their team. UMW has already gained 10 points not having to play them at Bowdoin.
Thanks ronk, hope to see you in Gorham, Maine. We will be be the ones rooting for the Mary Washington Eagles. ;D
Good luck in Gorham, and if you beat Bowdoin, Meggs and Marble(the S. Maine frontline) are at least their equal.
I won't be there but plan on being at the Scranton sectional, where I saw Bowdoin play those 2 games last year.
University of Mary Washington
2006 DIII NCAA National Champions
nice ring to it huh??
Most Outstanding Player ... D. Bruen/ L. Hickey
hard choice huh ??
The Eagles Have Landed :)
So will this topic actually have some good conversation to it? I'm a "central regionite" and was looking for some good talk about MW going into this weekend other than this hoorah'ing
eAGLES ARE TOO WELL COACHED.
GO COACH !
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 08, 2006, 02:02:43 PM
The Eagles Have Landed :)
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Did Adelphia (Ch 3) in Fredericksburg show the UM game vs. Muhleburg? They showed the entire first round game with NJ on Tuesday night (they said when they were filiming that they were only go to show highlights, but they ran the WHOLE game). I have the NJ game on VHS, plus post game comments with Debbie B, Jenn O, and Coach A.
D3hoopsNet, under contract from NCAAsports.com, will be broadcasting the entire Southern Maine sectional. Coverage starts a half-hour before tipoff and includes a preview of all four sectionals, plus in-game "live look-ins" at other sectionals in progress.
Mark Simon on the call.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Congratulations to the Mary Washington Lady Eagles.....you are a Class Act.....nothing but Quality representation of the CAC.....
REALITY CHECK:
Less than 1 High school girl per team goes on to play NCAA I, II, or III basketball......that is less than 1 percent of all high school players......
Only 48 teams out of over 1200 plus at the NCAA I, II, or III level get to experience the "NCAA Sweet 16" ....you are in an elite group
You have experienced something that you will pass forward.....and I don't just mean the game......it is the experience and all of the emotion that goes with it.....this is "Chapter 2"...last year was "Chapter 1".........
TOMORROW IS THE OPENING PARAGRAPH OF "CHAPTER 3".....
To the Seniors....don't cry because it is over.....but rather because of the excitement of what tomorrow brings.....
To the underclassmen.......think about "Chapter 3"!!!!!! I want to purchase an advance copy when ready!!!!!!!!
officiating decided the game
For a pair of physical, athletic teams that play aggressive defense, it seemed odd that Bowdoin shot 27 free throws (making 18) to Mary Washington's six (five successful).
I have never made a post like this, so hopefully, everyone will realize how bad it was up here...
The officiating was so bad, that both coaches immediately commented on it after the game in the press conference, even though the NCAA tells them not to during the coaches' meeting before the game. I mean - aren't you setting yourself up for failure by telling the coaches BEFORE the game not to talk about officiating? Why don't they spend that time getting something better than a middle school officiating crew?
You don't mind losing to a better squad... But to have it taken from you stings.
Hickey played eleven minutes! Her second foul occurred when a Bowdoin player backed up into her in the paint and gave Liz a bloody nose. If it weren't so dang awful, it would have been funny. And every time we went to the post, we got mugged. All-CAC players do not miss layups by missing the rim and backboard unless there's an arm or three hitting them.
Well, the land of rain and fog has its matchup between Bowdoin and Southern Maine, who also got some home cooking against Bridgewater in game two. Seems that everyone is happy now except the people who flew up here and got jobbed. Maybe one day we'll have a facility that can house a sectional so we won't have to go through this again.
Kudos to Jenno - a great senior year and a great career. Even though she was always overshadowed, she was a great leader who scored about 900 points in a career that saw her play a big role on turning an under .500 team to one of the elite programs in the nation. Head up Jenno!!!
Unlike some others, particulary over at the men's board, I never see a problem with talking about officiating when it has an impact on the outcome of the game.
Clearly, it did here. That's really too bad. I'm sorry the Eagles lost and I'm really sorry they lost because of officiating. It is hard to envision a scenario where there is such a free throw discrepancy between two aggressive teams. I'm a BC Eagles fan, it sounds like the BC-Duke game this year where BC kept pounding the ball inside to their All-ACC first teamer Craig Smith, who was getting killed--and shot 0 free throws.
Well, making it to the Sweet 16 is a great accomplishment, and given the makeup of the team this won't be their last trip.
Portland Maine paper has Bowdoin coach both commenting on the foul shot discrepancy & saying how nice it was to play in Maine
Here are the two articles
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/sports/college/basketball-women/060311bowdoin.shtml
http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/sports/college/basketball-women/060311soll.shtml
Thank you Lady Eagles for your wonderful accomplishments this Season, your fun to watch!
I am looking forward to next season and February/March in Virginia :)
Thank you Lady Eagles for a wonderful season - a pleasure to watch - and the best in school history ('til next year ;)).
Thanks, too, to D3Hoops for the radio coverage of the Sweet 16. Without your efforts, D3 wouldn't be the same. I've been amazed at the number of people who have said they listened to your broadcast of the UMW game against Bowdoin and to other games, too.
You're welcome, and I'll let our broadcaster, Mark Simon, know this message is here.
It was a special year for us too, with broadcasts of seven of the eight sectionals. I hope we can continue to bring key games to listeners everywhere.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2006, 08:36:34 PM
You're welcome, and I'll let our broadcaster, Mark Simon, know this message is here.
It was a special year for us too, with broadcasts of seven of the eight sectionals. I hope we can continue to bring key games to listeners everywhere.
Any chance some Video might happen as well?
CONGRATULATIONS to CAC players named to the All-Atlantic Region team:
Debbie Bruen Mary Washington (first team)
Liz Hickey Mary Washington (first team)
Randi Jones Marymount (Second team)
Keli Ward York (third team)
And to All-Atlantic:
Player of the Year: Debbie Bruen, Mary Washington
Coach of the Year: Deena Applebury, Mary Washington
Way to Go!
:) ;D
Deena was named CONSENSUS region coach of the year, as the WBCA also named her region coach of the year today.
Well deserved! Congrats Eagles!
EagleManiac:
D3hoops and Penn Atlantic are partnering on streaming video of the semifinals this Friday. A link off the front page has more information.
Congratualtions to Mary Washington's Debbie Bruen and Liz Hickey and Marymount's Randi Jones for being named Kodak/WBCA Honorable Mention All-America Team
http://athletics.umw.edu/DIIIKodakTeamMarch17.htm
and again to Liz Hickey for also being named to D3Hoops Thrid Team All-America
http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/06/womallam06.htm
;D :D
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 02, 2006, 12:55:46 PM
The front page article on the "nomination of the top shot blocker in Division III history, Cori Carson, who recorded 485 blocks at Upsala and Marymount" caught my eye. A prediction: if she stays healthy, soph Liz Hickey of UMW will own the record when she graduates. She blocked 104 as a freshman, and has 46 in nine games as a sophomore. ;D
UMW sophomore Liz Hickey blocked 244 shots in two seasons, already shattering the UMW career record, and she is on pace to break the national career record.
Hearty Congratulations to Marymount's (now former) assistant Candice Brown on her head coaching appointment at Manhattanville :)
Kudos, too, to the York Women for their high ranking in the WBCA Academic Top 25 Team Division III Honor Roll. :)
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/releases.html
http://www.wbca.org/releases/2006AcademicTop25Release.htm
The NCAA has posted its listings of the most improved women's teams for the 2004-05 and 2005-06 seasons.
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/w_basketball/most_improved/index.html
In 05-06, Mary Washington ranked #8 among the most improved, and St. Mary's was tied for #9. (Villa Julie, soon to enter the CAC, was #7).
No CAC teams are on the 05-06 list, although Villa Julie was tied for #20.
Marymount's recruits, from its website:
And fans of the local college summer league have seen what is to come for MU this upcoming season with four of the five recruits playing. Kathleen Brown (Walt Whitman HS, Bethesda , MD ) is a force to be reckoned with inside. She is a tireless rebounder and has a soft touch around the basket. Terell White (Stone Bridge HS, Ashburn, VA) and Meredith Levison (East Rockaway HS, East Rockaway, NY) are both big, strong guards who can play either the one, two or three spots. Two other wing players, Anneka Dobbins (Arundel HS, Gambrills, MD) and Brianna Wise (Towson Catholic HS, Owings Mills, MD) will add quickness and depth to the perimeter play.
For MU's full 06-07 season outlook:
http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/wbball/outlook.html
Where did MU #11 Caroline Riley go?
:o She was one of MU's mainstays as a frosh last season!
York has posted a "Preseason Roster"
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/roster.html
that includes two freshmen
Jamie Polan G 5-6 York, PA / West York
Jen Cuffley F 5-8 Hanover, PA / Southwestern
Bad news for Mary Washington, potentially:
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/092006/09292006/225499
UMW to investigate possible hazing incident
Date published: 9/29/2006
By JEFF BRANSCOME and MICHAEL ZITZ
University of Mary Washington officials are investigating photos that appear to show members of the 2004-05 women's basketball team engaged in hazing rituals.
The spokesman for an anti-hazing Web site provided nine of 113 such pictures to The Free Lance-Star yesterday.
They're dated April 2, 2005, and are "absolutely" a violation of the college's hazing policy, said Bernie Chirico, vice president for student affairs.
...
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/102006/10072006/227500
UMW: Students were not hazing
Date published: 10/7/2006
By MELISSA NIX
University of Mary Washington officials have determined that members of the 2004-05 girls basketball team did not engage in hazing at a party in the spring of 2005.
...
"However, one student will be punished for violating an athletic department policy, said Bernie Chirico, vice president for student affairs. He would not describe the violation or the punishment, saying it was a personnel issue."
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I notice you stayed pretty silent on the issue.
In deference to your (lack of) posts on the LAX board about the CUA women's LAX team ;)
Nobody brought it up there. But it was discussed on the ODAC football board (CUA is a member of the ODAC in football) and I did not duck the subject there.
Nobody brought it up there? ::) You could have brought it up on the CAC LAX page just like you brought MWC up on the CAC basketball page
Just like YOU brought up UMW on the CAC basketball page?
Hi pot ... meet kettle.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2006, 10:52:12 PM
Just like YOU brought up UMW on the CAC basketball page?
In deference to your (lack of) posts on the LAX board about the CUA women's LAX team ;)
Ah, but I repeat myself!
You do. I didn't duck the subject though. I talked about it where it was talked about -- on a much more trafficed page than women's lax, too.
You ducked. That was my point. You can keep repeating yourself if you like but it doesn't mean anything.
Mary Washington apparently is #13 in the Women's DIII News preseason top 25
http://www.bridgewater.edu/Sports/news/wbbpreTop25.htm
Here's more on the UMW hazing investigating..
From Richmond Times-Dispatch..
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149190900503
The story seems to have progressed beyond that Sept. 30 story. That's kinda outdated.
I'm far more interested in your coaching situation, bisonpride. Tell us what happened to Kitty Baldridge!
Also, are the boycotts, protests, arrests, etc, over Gallaudet's new president impacting the ability of its basketball teams to tryout and practice?
Quote from: eaglemaniac on September 13, 2006, 11:18:07 AM
Where did MU #11 Caroline Riley go?
To ODAC's Eastern Mennonite
http://www.emu.edu/athletics/rosters/index.php?sport=basketball-w
Mary Washington has posted its roster
http://athletics.umw.edu/wb07roster.htm
Four freshmen added to the roster - 3 guards and a center
Catholic posted its roster too
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/wbkb/2006-07/roster
5 freshmen - 4 guards, one forward
Pre-season
Let the games begin! :o
Goucher's posted a nine player roster
http://meyerhoff.goucher.edu/legacy_apps/athletics/print_roster.cfm?team_id=9
3 freshmen, no sophomores
The USA Today ESPN WBCA D-III Poll comes out tomorrow and the D3 Hoops Poll somewhere around November 1st. I'm guessing UMW will be ranked about 7th in the PreSeason top 25. What's everyone else think?
Anywhere in the top 10 is sweet :)
The pre season ESPN/USA Today Division III Top 25 has Mary Washington as # 8
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/ranking?key=WomenDIVIIIPOLL
No other CAC team received any votes >:(
I think the pollsters saw my ranking and decided to spite me for fun :D :D :D
No other CAC team received any votes >:(
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Catholic & Marymount have the best chance of breaking in the top 25. CUA plays #1 Scranton, #8 UMW twice and #23 Randolph Macon while Marymount plays UMW and #13 Messiah.
UMW has a tough road to start with a possible 2nd game of the season match at Messiah then at Richard Stockton followed by away games at Marymount and York before semester break.
#8 is excellent as we await D3hoops Division III Women's Basketball Poll ;D
good to see Catholic and Marymount received votes in the D-3 preseason poll. :D
Marymount Tip-off tourney,
Any suggestion on where to stay ??
Salisbury has posted its roster
http://www.salisbury.edu/athletics/womensbasketball/ewbbrost.asp
5 freshmen - guards and forwards
OK all you CAC Fans, any predictions? ;D
Here's my preseason prediction
1. Mary Washington
With 4 returning starters, including All-Americans Debbie Bruen and Liz Hickey, and a strong experienced bench, UMW has to be the preseason favorite.
2. York
I'm out on a limb here, but with Kristen Daly and Keli Ward, the rookies of the year the last two seasons, it's time for York to make its move (not just to a new gym).
3. (T) Catholic
CUA will leave the CAC without ever winning a championship.
3. (T) Marymount
The loss of Randi Jones to graduation and Carolyn Riley to Eastern Mennonite means MU lost its two top scorers. Coach Finney will do his best to overcome that, but it's too much to lose.
5. Salisbury
Salisbury will play tough and threaten everyone above them but never quite make it over the hump.
6. St. Mary's
St. Mary's will pull off an upset or two, but not enough of them.
7. Goucher
Goucher will leave the CAC very quietly.
8. Gallaudet
Well I may be full of baloney, are you are :)
1. Mary Washington
2. Catholic
3. York
4. Marymount
5. St. Mary's
6. Salisbury
7. (T)Goucher
8. (T)Gallaudet
There are many hotels in the area, but 5 miles away at the key bridge in arlington, a short walk to Georgetown, there is a marriott and a hyatt that are convenient.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 09, 2006, 08:54:57 AM
Here's my preseason prediction
1. Mary Washington
With 4 returning starters, including All-Americans Debbie Bruen and Liz Hickey, and a strong experienced bench, UMW has to be the preseason favorite.
2. York
I'm out on a limb here, but with Kristen Daly and Keli Ward, the rookies of the year the last two seasons, it's time for York to make its move (not just to a new gym).
3. (T) Catholic
CUA will leave the CAC without ever winning a championship.
3. (T) Marymount
The loss of Randi Jones to graduation and Carolyn Riley to Eastern Mennonite means MU lost its two top scorers. Coach Finney will do his best to overcome that, but it's too much to lose.
5. Salisbury
Salisbury will play tough and threaten everyone above them but never quite make it over the hump.
6. St. Mary's
St. Mary's will pull off an upset or two, but not enough of them.
7. Goucher
Goucher will leave the CAC very quietly.
8. Gallaudet
Quote from: Balder Eagle on November 09, 2006, 09:11:30 PM
Well I may be full of baloney, are you are :)
1. Mary Washington
2. Catholic
3. York
4. Marymount
5. St. Mary’s
6. Salisbury
7. (T)Goucher
8. (T)Gallaudet
I'd have to agree with Balder on this one. I like York and think they will be tough but I give the edge to Catholic. I don't think Gallaudet will tie with anyone. Marymount may take a while to get in sync but they will be tough come playoff time. One week to the start of the season. :)
Quote from: baller21 on November 09, 2006, 11:26:24 PM
There are many hotels in the area, but 5 miles away at the key bridge in arlington, a short walk to Georgetown, there is a marriott and a hyatt that are convenient.
THANKS! booked the Hyatt for $99/night with full breakfast for two.
YO ichouse let us know how the breakfast is, keeping in mind a lot of folks get indigestion when playing at Marymount :o Enjoy your stay and the games!
An ODAC Fan's take on the Marymount Scrimmage
Quote from: valleybballfan on November 11, 2006, 04:49:08 PM
Bridgewater scrimmaged Marymount today and looked very good against a good program. Marymount has won 10 of the last 15 CAC championships, was a final four team in 2002, elite eight in 2004, and seven other times they have been sweet 16 teams. This year they are not ranked but they are receiving votes for the top 25. Bridgewater won 2 of the 3 halves, and the one half they lost they did not use their starters very much, but still only lost by a couple of points. I can not remember all the details, but I know they looked good and had some goodlooking freshmen.
1. Mary Washington (they are not stopping until they have a national title...they have grown since bruen and deana appeared in fredericksburg and I don't think deana will allow senior bruen to leave without a strong showing.)
2. Marymount (just thought I would mix it up...you don't have the amount of success of marymount has had over the last 15 years based on a couple of players coming and going...that kind of success is built on good coaching)
3. Catholic
4. York
5. St. Mary's
6. Salisbury
7. (T)Goucher
8. (T)Gallaudet
(deena)sp sorry :-[
Quote from: Santiago on November 12, 2006, 09:14:20 PM
(deena)sp sorry :-[
to err is human, forget the rest you are forgiven ::)
Quote from: Santiago on November 12, 2006, 08:18:22 PM
1. Mary Washington (they are not stopping until they have a national title...they have grown since bruen and deana appeared in fredericksburg and I don't think deana will allow senior bruen to leave without a strong showing.)
Mary Washington the 5 seasons before Applebury and Bruen arrived
1998-99 10-14
1999-00 13-10
2000-01 17-9
2001-02 5-20
2002-03 10-17
Mary Washington with Applebury and Bruen
2003-04 12-13
2004-05 23-7
2005-06 29-2
St. Mary's only lists 7 Players on the Roster. ???
http://www.smcm.edu/Athletics/women's_basketball/roster.cfm
Hmm, that seems problematic.
A thought to ponder:
Will Gallaudet have a roster.
What's going on at St. Mary's? That small roster's about the same size as Gallaudet's last season and the lack of players caused problems for them.
The CAC webpage on women's basketball has switched from reviewing the end of last season to a preview of this season ;D
http://www.cacsports.com/wbasketball/womensbasketball.html
Quote from: Balder Eagle on November 15, 2006, 07:20:57 AM
A thought to ponder:
Will Gallaudet have a roster.
How about a schedule?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2006, 02:30:34 AM
Quote from: Balder Eagle on November 15, 2006, 07:20:57 AM
A thought to ponder:
Will Gallaudet have a roster.
How about a schedule?
Schedule posted on D3hoops.
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2007&team=w&school=Gallaudet
Maybe the website at Gaulludete is just not updated. Possibly a good webmaster cannot be found?
I bet that schedule is incomplete, probably gleaned from schedules posted by other schools, not submitted by Galluadet
Gallaudet just recently hired a new sid, and I'm sure he has mountains of work to do since they hadn't had an SID in the fall, so let's cut him some slack.
Announcing new Sports Information Director for Bison Athletics
Oscar Ocuto joins Bison Athletics after three years as a program specialist in Gallaudet's Office of Judicial Affairs. Prior to that, he worked for Judicial Affairs as a graduate assistant, and contributed a breadth of articles to various publications such as The Buff and Blue, On the Green, D.C.A.D. Newsletter, ResLife.net, C.I.S.S. Sports Media Team, and DeafDC.com.
The St. Augustine, FL native received his bachelor's degree in secondary education and English from Gallaudet and a master's of education in deaf education, also from Gallaudet. Over the course of his college years, Oscar played varsity football, intramural sports, and contributed to various aspects of student development.
Mr. Ocuto handles all media relations and publications for Gallaudet athletics that will cover 12 sports.
All-Star Coach Takes Over Lady Bison Basketball
Kylan Loney comes to Gallaudet Athletics as the Head Coach for Women's Basketball. This record-setting hoopster paves the way for the Lady Bison. As a four-year starting guard for the ASU Sun Devils, Loney started 126 out of 127 career games, was named to the NCAA Tempe Regional All-Tournament Team after posting a team-leading 14.3 points, 5.7 assists per game in the Lady Sun Devils' 2005 Sweet Sixteen run. She also set career records for three-pointers made (161) and free-throw percentage (78.9), posting her at seventh on the all-time list at ASU.
Kylan's pace also includes the classroom. As a student-athlete, she won the 2004-05 Pacific-10 Conference Medal of Honor, which is awarded annually to each member institution's outstanding senior male/female student-athlete, based on the greatest combination of performance and achievement in scholarship, athletics and leadership. She as also the recipient of the Heather Farr Award, a distinction that is given to the female student-athlete that shows the best combination of academics, athletics, sportsmanship, leadership and commitment to community service, all the while maintaining at least a 2.50 grade point average.
Join Athletics Director James DeStefano and the Gallaudet community in a heartwarming welcome to Kylan as she prepares the Lady Bison for their first season with her at the helm! The season begins Tuesday, November 17th at Trinity, with the home opener on Saturday, November 25th at the Gallaudet Invitational tournament, 6 p.m.
Thanks for the updates bisonpride, noticed the schedule posted:
http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/WBB%2006_07%20schedule.pdf
Will be looking for the roster.
Sure, you are welcome.. The roster should come up soon.. It was Oscar Ocuto's first week in office.. Please give him some time as things will resume into normal basis asap. Also, there would be some athletes from volleyball team, who want and will play basketball this winter. The volleyball season just completed past weekend in NCAA tournament - Sweet 16 loss to #1 and defending NCAA National Champions, Juniata.
I am looking forward to a exciting "new" season - and era - for Gallaudet women basketball program this year under guide of the new coach, Kylan Loney.
2006-07 UMW Women's Basketball Guide available in pdf at:
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
#8 UMW Women's Basketball Opens with 76-54 Win Over John Jay
GRANTHAM, PA - Eighth-ranked University of Mary Washington used a balanced scoring attack in opening the 2006-07 season with a 76-54 win over John Jay College on Friday evening at the Messiah College Tipoff Tournament.
Senior forward Debbie Bruen scored a team-high 18 points, sophomore Sarah Flanagan scored 13, and junior center Liz Hickey added ten points in the victory. Sophomore guard Kaitie Clarkin scored seven for the Eagles. No further stats were available.
The Eagles will face the winner of 13th-ranked Messiah and Trinity (DC) University game in the tournament championship on Saturday at 3:00 pm.
No. 8 Mary Washington and No. 10 Messiah play at the Messiah College and Wingate Inn Tip-Off Tournament, 3 PM today.
Quote from: bisonpride on November 17, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
Also, there would be some athletes from volleyball team, who want and will play basketball this winter. The volleyball season just completed past weekend in NCAA tournament - Sweet 16 loss to #1 and defending NCAA National Champions, Juniata.
Great! Last season some very good Gally basketball players didn't return but played volleyball instead. sounds like a turn around in approach.
Half Time:
UMW 29 - Messiah College 16
Final Score From The Messiah College and Wingate Inn Tip-Off Tournament:
Messiah College 56 - UMW 47
Chris. Newport 67 (1-1)
St. Mary's (Md.) 73 (2-0)
The Seahawks win the 2006 Seahawks Tip-Off Classic. Sophomore forward Allie Scott was named the tournament MVP after scoring a game-high 29 points to go along with six rebounds in the championship contest. Scott averaged 25.0 points and 9.5 rebounds in the tournament to claim the MVP honors. Junior guard Megan Uglik was also named to the all-tournament team after scoring 17 points with four rebounds and four assists.
St. Mary's only used 6 players in its two games this weekend, according to the box scores.
According to the:
Official Basketball Box Score
Gallaudet Univ. vs Greensboro
11/18/06 1:00 pm at Emory, VA {King Center}
Galludet played all 10 players on thier "roster"
Is there a link this year to listen to the away games for the eagles?
Quote from: Santiago on November 21, 2006, 07:11:49 PM
Is there a link this year to listen to the away games for the eagles?
No there is not :'(
Rumour is there will be no broadcasting games this year by UMW. ::)
Try looking at the websites of opposing teams to see if they are broadcasting games. :o
Final from York..
YCP 64-Villa Julie 46
Box Score available at:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB03.HTM
Gallaudet has thier roster up
http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/wbball_roster.php
UMW got caught on I95 today, it took them 2 hours to get to Woodbridge, so the Stockton game is going to start verrrrry late.
There is a possibility that the away UMW games will be broadcast after the first of the year, I'll let you know as soon as I know.
St. Mary's (Md.) 57 (3-0)
Rowan 46 (1-2)
Junior guard Megan Uglik led the Seahawks with a team-high 17 points. Freshman guard Stephanie Saint-Aubin contributed to the win with 11 points while sophomore guard Kiely Murphy added ten points. Junior Forward Lisa Daciek tallied a game-high 11 rebounds, while sophomore forward Allie Scott added eight points and seven boards, despite being in foul trouble throughout much of the contest.
For Rowan, junior guard Kristina Wallace scored 19 points. She opened the contest 4-for-4 from the field with three three-pointers, and finished with four in the contest. Junior center Katie Shaw added nine points and eight rebounds while freshman guard Michelle Lala scored eight points.
The Profs committed 31 turnovers in the contest compared to just 17 for the Seahawks. St. Mary's used that discrepancy to claim a 23-7 edge in points off turnovers. Despite getting outrebounded 38-37 in the contest, the Seahawks made the most of their chances. St. Mary's used 15 offensive rebounds to post a 12-4 advantage in second chance points on the evening.
UMW 75, Stockton 38
A very long bus trip and a two and a half hour delay to the opening tipoff didn't deter the eighth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team from defeating host Richard Stockton College, 75-38, on Tuesday in Pomona, NJ. The Eagles improve to 2-1 on the season.
Senior Debbie Bruen scored 11 points and had a career-high seven steals, and sophomore Leigh Kampman scored 11 points and had four rebounds to pace a balanced Eagle attack, in which nine different players scored at least six points. Senior Lisa Tracy scored eight points and had five rebounds and five assists, and junior center Liz Hickey scored eight points and grabbed seven rebounds.
UMW shot 45% from the floor for the game, and made seven three pointers, while limiting the Osprey to just 32 field goal attempts, and forcing 30 turnovers.
The Eagles will host Shenandoah University on Monday, November 27 at 6 p.m. in the home opener.
Quote from: mwcsid on November 21, 2006, 09:48:08 PM
There is a possibility that the away UMW games will be broadcast after the first of the year, I'll let you know as soon as I know.
Better late than never to hear the voice of the Eagles back on the 'air'
Gallaudet Bison won their first game of season in annual Gallaudet Holiday tournament 78-49 over Southern Vermont. The Bison will play tomorrow in championship game against Frostburg State at 3pm. Frostburg State beat St. John's College in second game tonight.
The Bison improving to 1-3 record after losses to Emory & Henry, Greensboro and overtime to Trinity College prior the victory tonight over Southern VT. I would like to note that it's first career win for Gallaudet women head coach Kylan Loney. It's nice that the team marked it's first win at the home opener and it's pretty awhile ago that Gallaudet women to score 78 or more points recent past years. Kudos to Coach Loney and Lady Bison for great performance tonight.
The 2006 Gallaudet Holiday Basketball Tournament result..
Frostburg State beat Gallaudet women 89-53 in the championship game. It was close game until mid of second half which costly turnovers and mistakes beginning to pull it away for Frostburg State. Overall, it was impressive tourney for Gallaudet women team.
St. Joseph beat Southern Vermont in the consolation game, 70-59 to take 3rd place in the tournament.
The All-Tournament Team selections are: Gallaudet's Shabnam Razmpour, Frostburg's Tracie George and Krystin Hargrove (Tournament MVP), St. Joseph's Lynette Reyes and Southern Vermont's Jaleesa Marshall.
Special thanks to Ruth's Chris Steak House for sponsoring the whole tournament as it went VERY successful. Up next for the Gallaudet Bison, this wednesday evening at 7pm home game against Villa Julie College.
UMW vs Shenandoah can be heard on the SU Athletics Webcast Schedule :
http://www.su.edu/athletics/webcast.cfm
Get your Eagles on ;D
Thanks for the link to listen to the game. The eagles have really taken the loss in stride thanks to the depth of players and the experienced leadership.
11/27/06
#8 UMW Women's Basketball Tops Shenandoah, 80-69
FREDERICKSBURG, VA - The eighth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team jumped out to an early double digit lead, and held on for an 80-69 win over Shenandoah university on Monday night at Goolrick Gymnasium in the Eagles' home opener. All-American senior Debbie Bruen led all scorers with 21 points, and All-America junior Liz Hickey added 17 points and 11 rebounds in the win.
The Eagles led at halftime, 43-34, thanks in part to eight points from Hickey and seven apiece from Bruen and senior Lisa Tracy. The Eagles pushed the lead to 19 with 13:54 remaining, with a 57-38 cushion. The game Hornets remained tough throughout, but UMW made eight of 10 free throws down the stretch to claim the eleven-point win.
In addition to Bruen and Hickey, Tracy scored eleven points, and Sarah Flanagan added ten for UMW. Shenandoah was led by Alexis Hargbol's 20 points, while Alicia Sanders and Whitney French added 12 apiece.
bbald eagle-
on your post in the USASouth. Shenandoah has been a solid team team the last few years. I just think now they are living up to thier potential. Cassie Womack I think is one of the most athletic posts I have seen in the USASouth. The coach may have alot do due with it, but I think they are ridinf the wave they had at the end of last year. Real close to playing in conference championship game. They were 7th in the conference last year.
Pride - Thanks. Whether it's living up to potential or much improved, the new coach has them playing better than what I'd seen before. They were stronger at post, too. C. Womack was great on the boards. #44 A. Hargbol knows how to score. I wouldn't expect them to be 7th this year. Good luck in your conference.
about SU again it was the 2004-2005 season the year RMC made it to the NCAA finals. SU played them an only lost by 7 points and they finished last I believe that year in the conference. They seem to play well early on in the season. This year a little better.
su'll sustain their play this year
St. Mary's (Md.) 60 (3-2, 0-1)
Catholic 66 (3-2, 1-0)
At Marymount
University Mary Washington 69
Marymount 41
Here's the final score from Field House last night..
Villa Julie - 75
GU Bison - 60
Mary Washington topped Marymount, 69-41, at Marymount in both teams' CAC opener. All-America senior forward Debbie Bruen scored a game-high 18 points to lead the Eagles. Bruen added six rebounds and five assists. Junior All-America center Liz Hickey scored 15 points and had seven boards and three blocks, and sophomore Katy Larson scored 14 points and grabbed five rebounds. Tara Eddy led Marymount with nine points. More at
http://athletics.umw.edu/wbindex.htm
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 30, 2006, 09:29:26 AM
sophomore Katy Larson scored 14 points and grabbed five rebounds.
It was good to see Katy step her game up.... Great work!
I haven't been able to see any of the games this year. What kind of defensive schemes are teams trying against umw? With so many weapons on the team it does not seem like teams are likely to frustrate bruen with the double team. Last year marymount and catholic never let bruen score over 12 points in anyone game. Yet of those five games there were four different leading shooters: tracy with 17, hickey 18 and then 17, kampman 15, and Clarkin 17. Now all these players have a year under their belt. I do not see how teams would be able to double team with the respect that was earned last year. There were a number of other games last year where this was the case but I chose to highlight these because catholic and marymount are the most familiar with umw's style of play and are perennial rivals.
Quote from: Santiago on November 30, 2006, 10:55:01 PM
I haven't been able to see any of the games this year. What kind of defensive schemes are teams trying against umw? With so many weapons on the team it does not seem like teams are likely to frustrate bruen with the double team.... I do not see how teams would be able to double team with the respect that was earned last year.
From my limited and humble perspective UMW are the ones playing tenacious defense, those double (not to mention triple) teams spoken of appear to be in remission.
It's probably too early in the season to tell how league teams will try to defense UMW. Bruen is sometimes doubled at post but she seems to be spending more time that last season on the perimeter where it is harder to double her. I think she's been the high scorer every game so far. She is probably leading in assists too. Hickey and Kampman and others have been scoring in the middle too which makes it harder to double Bruen.
Halftime from Salisbury...
York 31-Salisbury 27
update from Salisbury..
York 48-Salisbury 34
12:43 left in the second
update from Salisbury....
York 56-Salisbury 51
6:00 left
Salisbury has caught fire and is outplaying York
with :06.3 remaining,
Salisbury 64-York 64
Catherine Mills splits a pair of free throws to pull the Gulls even. Keli Ward has fouled out for York. York has blown a 14-point second-half lead.
York ball and time out Spartans
Overtime in Salisbury...
York can't get a good shot off with the final possession.
The excitement is too much, let me know!!
I am such a loser, I started the write the game story before the final post.
Final: Salisbury 75-York 71 in OT
The Spartans really missed Keli Ward in OT.
Meghan Phillips torches the Spartans for 27 points while Jessica Mills added 13. Catherine Mills had 12 points and Brianna Simpson notched 10 points for Salisbury.
York is led by Kristen Daly with her third straight 20 point effort as she finished with 21 points and nine boards. Ward records the double-double with 15 points and 13 rebounds. Chanel Perez adds 13 points and eight rebounds while Amy Fry is the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points and six boards. York out-rebounds Salisbury 52-38 but the Spartans commit 34 turnovers.
Successive OT games for York. Wow.
Catholic @ Marymount this Wed. might prove to be a barometer as to how the CAC will go. Can Catholic remain undefeated in the Conference? Stay Tuned :)
it seems like a long layoff for Mary Washington ... 10 days without a game. :'( next up - at York on Friday
at the half from York...
Spartans 56-Gallaudet 30
Live stats available at:
http://faculty/%7Esguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Catholic is no longer undefeated in the CAC, Marymount wins by a substantial margin.
Every player on St. Mary's team is averaging more minutes than any player on Mary Washington's team ::)
UMW @ York 6 PM today ::) this might well prove to be yet another barometer as to how the CAC will go. Can UMW remain undefeated in the Conference? Stay Tuned :P
Live Stats from the YCP/UMW game..
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
final from York...
YCP 52-UMW 46
more details after the men's game
box is here..
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB08.HTM
York played very hard with Keli Ward and Amy Fry being the standouts for York. A big win for a team that is learning how to win and compete with the best teams in the CAC and the region.
Mary Washington was missing two starters and they never seemed comfortable during the game. I am sure that they will be very ready for the Spartans when the head to Fredericksburg on February 3. They didn't play their best game but they are very talented and should be the front-runner in the conference this year.
Just a little note that may only be of interest to me: of the Spartans' 200 minutes in the game - Seniors-17 minutes, Juniors-49 minutes, Sophomores-124 mintues, Freshmen-10 minutes. A young team that hopefully is starting to gel.
York's only loss in the CAC was at Salisbury in OT. A game in which the Spartans played a horrible five minutes late in regulation that cost them the win.
Salisbury - 67
Gallaudet - 45
Final exam and winter break is up next for the Bison. They would come back on January 8th for home game against non-conference opponent, Wilson College.
Stockton 69
Catholic 63
In Washington DC, Richard Stockton College (NJ) defeated Catholic in a non-conference matchup. RSC outscored CUA 50-37 in the 2nd half.
Quote from: ycp on December 08, 2006, 11:31:44 PM
Mary Washington was missing two starters and they never seemed comfortable during the game. I am sure that they will be very ready for the Spartans when the head to Fredericksburg on February 3. They didn't play their best game but they are very talented and should be the front-runner in the conference this year.
You are kind.
UMW is strongest at post with Bruen and Hickey. They averaged 25.5 minutes in the game and combined for 6 for 12 from the floor. One of those was a 3 pointer. The other three that started averaged 34 minutes and shot 6 for 31 from the floor. 21 of UMW's 52 shots were 3s. UMW is vulnerable when it doesn't use its post game.
From Lincoln University on Monday night...
York 83-Lincoln 64
The Spartans keep rolling with their third straight win and they are now 6-1 after their 0-2 start to the season. Junior Kristen Daly led the Spartans with 19 points and a career-high 15 rebounds. Daly drained a pair of threes and also converted all five of her free throws for the game. Sophomore point guard Keli Ward, playing near her hometown of Nottingham, PA, tossed in 16 points, grabbed four rebounds, handed out two assists and collected one steal. Sophomore Chanel Perez chipped in with 15 points, seven rebounds, three assists, three steals, and a blocked shot. Andrews was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 13 points, four rebounds, three assists, and a pair of steals.
I like the way the CAC is all shook up. it will only strengthen the conference. It will exploit each team's weaknesses and who ever may prevail I feel will do extremely well in the tourny.
The Eagles have flown (to Florida). 8)
From Fla...
UMW 45, Ripon 32
UMW 61, Adrian 45
UMW seems to have rebounded from their loss at York, beating Ripon and Adrian (both over .500 from the midwest) by 10+ points each in Fla to move to 6-2. UMW held Ripon to 12 field goals in the game, allowing just 32 points.
Quote from: bbald eagle on December 10, 2006, 06:46:16 AM
UMW is vulnerable when it doesn't use its post game.
UMW appears to be consistently lacking in three areas:
The low post game.
Attack of the offensive basket.
Crisp ball movement.
The ball needs to be down low to Hickey/Bruen and attack the hoop in order to open the 3 point game.
Statistically Bruen is carrying The Eagles on her back until Girls (who's shot's appear to be slightly off) get their rhythm back. Can one expect Bruen to actually carry them alone through the CAC and into the NCAA Tournament?
It's December not March >:(. Don't Panic.
Quote from: eaglemaniac on December 23, 2006, 09:22:08 AM
It's December not March >:(. Don't Panic.
Simply:
"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"
John Wooden, UCLA Coach 1948-1975
All is quiet. Very Quiet. Things should get very hectic come January, especially when the league schedule kicks into high gear. Should be some good games. :)
All's Quiet On The Western Front ;D
Quote from: Balder Eagle on December 28, 2006, 12:29:46 PM
All's Quiet On The Western Front ;D
??? Did someone die as the games stopped for the holidays? ???
The Godfather of Soul and Gerald ::)
Live Stat Link for the York - McDaniel game at 6:00 pm.
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
The stats will go live a few minutes prior to tip.
Final:
UMW 74 - Frostburg State 54
All-America forward Debbie Bruen scored a team-high 18 points, including 7-8 shooting from the floor and 4-5 from the free throw line, to lead four players in double figures, as the 18th-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team defeated Frostburg State University, 74-54, on Thursday at Bobcat Arena. Junior Leigh Kampman scored 14 points and added nine rebounds, including five on the offensive glass, for UMW.
The Eagles led by ten at halftime, 34-24, and netted 40 second half points in the win. Sophomore Sarah Flanagan scored eleven points, junior center Liz Hickey scored ten points and added four blocks and five rebounds, and senior Lisa Tracy scored nine points and added three assists in 18 minutes. Junior guard Amanda Bates had five assists and four steals in 18 minutes as well.
The NCAA has posted the national leaders through year end 2006:
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary
There's more at that link, but here's where CAC teams and players rank in the top 25 in the nation:
Scoring Defense: Mary Washington #17
Free Throw Percentage: Catholic #7; York #17
Three Point Percentage: Catholic #25
Points Per Game: Shadae Swan, Goucher, #21
Blocked Shots Per Game: Liz Hickey, Mary Washington, # 12
Field Goal Percentage: Debbie Bruen, Mary Washington, #2
UMW 63 - Christopher Newport 48
Junior All-America center Liz Hickey scored a team-high 13 points, and added six blocked shots and five rebounds, as the 18th-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team defeated Christopher Newport University, 63-48, on Saturday at a nearly full Goolrick Gymnasium. UMW improves to 8-2 on the season, while CNU falls to 6-5.
After CNU scored the first basket, UMW assumed command of the lead, pushing the margin to as many as 11 points (at 18-7, 20-9, and 22-11), but the Lady Captains answered back led by five points by Nikki Rowland (game high 15 points) to cut the deficit to three, at 24-21, with 2:37 left in the first half. A pair of free throws by Katy Larson and a layup by Hickey advanced the lead to seven, and Amandas Bates hit a three pointer at the buzzer to give UMW a 31-21 halftime edge.
CNU chipped away at the lead in the second half, until cutting the deficit to three, at 49-46, with 5:45 remaining. But UMW would outscore the Lady Captains, 14-2, from that point on.
Larson had 12 points for UMW, and Leigh Kampman had 10 points, six rebounds, and two steals. Lisa Tracy led UMW with eight rebounds. Rowland was the lone CNU player in double figures, with 15.
York College won the Lycoming College Hoops for Hounds Tournament (cool name for a tournament) with their 69-63 win over SUNY Brockport on Saturday. Kristen Daly led the Spartans as she poured in 26 points while she also pulled down six rebounds and collected four steals. Daly was 8-for-14 from the field and a blistering 9-for-10 from the free throw line as she earned All-Tournament team honors. Sophomore Keli Ward earned the tournament MVP as she added 16 points, seven rebounds, six assists, and two steals in 37 minutes of action. Ward scored a career-high 34 points in Friday's double-overtime win over Rowan. Kemp was the third Spartan in double figures with 10 points including a huge defensive effort for the green and white.
In the 90-83 double overtime win over Rowan on Friday, Daly added a career-high 31 points to Ward's 34-point effort.
The Spartans bounced back from Wednesday's disappointing loss to McDaniel. The Spartans have won five of their last six and eight of their last 10.
York jumps back into conference play on Wednesday as they host St. Mary's at 6:00 pm at the Grumbacher Center.
Game Box vs. Brockport
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB12.HTM
Game Box vs. Rowan
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB11.HTM
Eight different players scored at least eight points, led by sophomore guard Katy Larson's 13, as the eighteenth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team defeated Mary Baldwin College, 90-39, on Monday night at Goolrick Gymnasium. UMW improves to 9-2 on the season, and now has a five-game win streak.
The Eagles led by just nine at halftime, 39-30, but then outscored the Fighting Squirrels, 51-9, in the second half. In addition to Larson's 13, junior forward Leigh Kampman registered a double-double with 11 points and 10 rebounds, and junior guard Sarah Flanagan added 11 points. Senior All-America forward Debbie Bruen had 10 points.
For the game, UMW shot 34-70 (48.6%) from the floor, including 7-21 on three point attempts, and went 15-21 from the free throw line.
Live Stats Link for tonight's York College- St. Mary's game at the Grumbacher Center in York. Tip time is set for 6:00 pm.
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Salisbury U Athletics Scoreboard
Wednesday, January 10
Mary Washington 40, Salisbury 19 - Halftime
Final
UMW 81, Salisbury 44
Well, the CAC sure is crowded at the top early in the league play with 5 teams with only 1 loss. And it sure is crowded at the bottom too with the other 3 teams have 3 or more losses each. York at CUA looks like the weekend's most interesting match up. Salisbury at St. Mary's will probably go a long way to determining which way their seasons go.
Is it true the MU's Tara Eddy has suffered a season/career ending injury? :(
York posts a solid 73-64 win at Catholic in a key conference clash.
Details a little later
Box score for the York - Catholic Game
Good balanced win for the Spartans. Freshman Jamie Polan records a career-high 13 points while Chanel Perez has a double-double with 15 points and 13 rebounds. Keli Ward does it again with 14 points, nine rebounds, four assists, and three steals.
Kristen Linderoth leads CUA wiht 20 points and six rebounds while Justine Gray adds 11 points and six boards.
Game Box:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB14.HTM
York travels to Alvernia on Monday for a non-conference contest.
UMW 77 - Gallaudet 26
Junior guard Sarah Flanagan scored a game-high 13 points and senior forward Lisa Tracy added 10 points and eight rebounds to pace the university of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 77-26 win over Gallaudet University on Saturday at Goolrick Gymnasium. The nineteenth-ranked Eagles improve to 11-2 overall, and 3-1 in Capital Athletic Conference action.
The Eagles limited Gallaudet to just nine first half points, including four field goals, and outscored the guests, 41-17, in the second half. Junior All-America center Liz Hickey added nine points and three blocked shots and junior forward Leigh Kampman had six points and 10 rebounds for the Eagles, winners of seven straight.
In a balanced effort, Debbie Bruen scored eight points and had four assists. Flanagan had a team-high six assists to go with her 13 points.
It was good to see the UMW bench get notable playing time.
On another note:
Where have all the "posters" from this board gone? :o
Balder Eagle,
I guess it's a two team board lately. And by the way, very dominate performace Wednesday in Salisbury. Impressive.
even mwcsid's not posting here, even though he's put the half and final men's scores on that board during the men's game. Come on Clint, there are some of us who like to know how the women are doing too ;)
Gallaudet's writeup of yesterday's game against UMW says: "The Eagles sported a lineup that featured four starters between 6'0 and 6'3."
http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/wbball.php
Maybe that's they way they looked, but only one starter is listed at 6 or over. ;D
Every time I go to post the story after I put it on the web and send it out to the media and parents, you've already posted it!!! ;)
You're too fast!
The ladies had a great week, lots of balance and great team defense.
As for the men's half post... Sorry! The new president cornered me at halftime of the women's game, and it totally slipped my mind. I get the feeling you were there anyway. :-)
Quote from: mwcsid on January 14, 2007, 10:26:59 PM
Every time I go to post the story after I put it on the web and send it out to the media and parents, you've already posted it!!! ;)
You're too fast!
For those of us unable to attend we appreciate 'postings', any news on broadcasting games or maybe 'live stats' >?>? :o
Quote from: mwcsid on January 14, 2007, 10:26:59 PM
As for the men's half post... Sorry! The new president cornered me at halftime of the women's game, and it totally slipped my mind.
You do ok. Why don't other CAC school's sports info directors post too? Glad to hear you and the new president are buddies. ;D
The coaches and administration are planning some exciting promotions for the rest of the year for both men and women, I think that'll help (with wins) in getting our students riled up for the stretch run.
Many schools do not have wireless access on-court, so it's difficult to juggle double checking with scorebooks, getting stats to the teams and media, running promotions, etc, and posting if they have to leave the venue in less than 15 minutes.
The CAC matches to watch today are Marymount at York and Catholic at Salisbury. I think York will win at home. Salisbury too. St. Marys should get its first CAC win tonight.
Live Stats for tonight's York - MU game
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Stats should go live about five minutes prior to tip.
BTW,
Congrats to Keli Ward on her CAC Player of the Week award. She has been, along with Kristen Daly, fantastic this year.
It should be spirited game at the Grum tonight. The York students are finally back in session and the crowd should be good for both games.
From Goucher's Sports & Recreation Center
Halftime:
UMW 49 - Goucher 10
From Goucher's Sports & Recreation Center
Final:
UMW 91 - Goucher 38
The 18th ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team shot a school record 63.2% from the floor, and set a Goucher Sports & Rec Center record with 11 three point baskets in a 91-39 win in Towson on Wednesday. Junior guard Sarah Flanagan scored a game-high 20 points to lead three Eagles in double figures, as UMW (12-2, 4-1 CAC) runs its win streak to eight straight.
Mary Washington dominated form the opening tip, scoring the first 10 points, and then, after a pair of Gopher free throws, scored the next 29 points to lead, 39-2, with 5:49 remaining in the first half en route to a 49-10 halftime advantage. UMW shot 66.7 % from the floor in the first half (18-27), and limited Goucher to 3-33 shooting (9%).
In addition to Flanagan's 20 points, junior forward Leigh Kampman and junior center Liz Hickey each scored 10 points, and Debbie Bruen, Ashton Mitchell, and Ashley Reed each had eight points. Flanagan and Mitchell each had six rebounds for the Eagles.
Goucher was led by Shadae Swan, who had 17 points. Amber Smith had seven rebounds for the Gophers (3-11, 1-5).
Mary Washington will be back in action on Saturday, when they visit St. Mary's College at 2 p.m.
Glad to see that UMW SID on duty tonight :)
Bad one from the Spartans against Marymount as the Saints go home winners 81-75 in overtime. The youthful Spartans make a number of mistakes down the stretch as York should have won in OT. It could be the kind of game that a young team learns a great deal from.
Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB16.HTM
Ha ha, very funny.
;D
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 17, 2007, 10:12:40 AM
The CAC matches to watch today are Marymount at York and Catholic at Salisbury. I think York will win at home. Salisbury too. St. Marys should get its first CAC win tonight.
Well, at least I got the St. Mary's game right. :D UMW's Sarah Flanagan broke out for sure with a half dozen 3s against Goucher. Goucher's Shadae Swan's the league's top scorer. She was 6 for 26 from the floor against UMW. It would take at least three games for a UMW player to take 26 field goal attempts.
Tomorrow's most interesting CAC match ups are Mary Washington at St. Mary's and
Salisbury at Marymount. Both games have some potential for upsets but Mary Washington and Marymount should win. Salisbury needs a win though.
Mary Washington "broke two Sports & Recreation Center records" at Goucher Wednesday. "One was for highest field goal percentage by a team and the other for most three-point baskets by a team." http://meyerhoff.goucher.edu/legacy_apps/athletics/template_content.cfm?view=press&press_id=1103
Dear mwcsid
Quote from: Balder Eagle on January 15, 2007, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on January 14, 2007, 10:26:59 PM
Every time I go to post the story after I put it on the web and send it out to the media and parents, you've already posted it!!! ;)
You're too fast!
For those of us unable to attend we appreciate 'postings', any news on broadcasting games or maybe 'live stats' >?>? :o
Dear Balder Eagle
M/W Swimming
JANUARY
Sat. 20 GETTYSBURG COLLEGE 2:00 pm
Sorry, it's senior day for swimming here.
multitasking...
UMW 75, SMC 49
Flanagan 17, Hickey 14, Bruen 10
Eagles win 9th straight.
Thanks mwcsid
I would give you karma but I cannot until I reach the hallowed plateau ;D
Great to see that Flanagan has returned to form. :)
Ha ha, happened to catch their SID during a break at the swim meet.
Yes, Sarah is stepping up, very nice.
mwcsid-
here's the karma balder eagle wanted to give you ;D
if the Mary Washington St. Mary game had been close, it could have turned on the refereeing. one of the three was consistently horrible. :'(
hey thanks...
Sarah Flanagan named CAC Player of the Week.
:)
thanks for the assist bbald eagle............
With Catholic having 2 losses in the CAC (to the other#1 and the #2 in the CAC) tonights game may prove to be most interesting. Most curious to see if the ball gets to the low post and the three point threat continues for UMW :o
no problem, balder
From Washington, DC..
Marymount - 34
@Gallaudet - 21 HALF
10:40 remaining,
UMW 62, CUA 27
Final from Washington, DC..
Marymount - 67
@Gallaudet - 42 FINAL
UMW 85, CUA 43
details later...
I was sorry to see CUA's Kristen Linderoth injured and unable to play. She is a good player
Sorry for the delay on this
The 19th ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team used a stifling defense and balanced scoring in an 85-43 win over Catholic University on Tuesday at goolrick Gymnasium. The Eagles, winners of 10 straight, are now 14-2 on the season, and 6-1 in CAC play.
Catholic jumped out to an early lead, holding a 10-5 lead just three minutes into play. But UMW would limit the Cardinals to just six points in the remaining 17 minutes of the half, while scoring 43 points from that point.
The Eagles were led for the third straight game by junior guard Sarah Flanagan, who scored 13 points, and sophomore guard Katy Larson, who had 12 on 4-4 shooting. Debbie Bruen had nine points and seven rebounds, and Liz Hickey had eight points and six blocked shots, with Ashton Mitchell and Lisa Tracy scoring eight apiece as well. Catholic was led by Shea Macdonald's nine points.
The Eagles continued their torrid shooting, shooting 55.4% from the floor in the game (31-56), making 8-18 three pointers and 15-16 free throws. The Eagles limited Catholic to 26.4% shooting, including 4-22 shooting in the first half.
Catholic has a downbeat summary of the Mary Washington/Catholic game on its website
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/wbkb/2006-07/news/12307_game17
It makes an interesting point. "Despite the big win, Mary Washington didn't have a standout with 13 players scoring." Even though its got two All-Americans, everybody on UMW's team is averaging under 23 minutes a game but they put up some impressive numbers for the time they play. Sarah Flanagan, UMW's higher scorer against CUA with 13 also played the most minutes - 23. Catholic had 4 players at 27 minutes or more. The most any of those four scored last night was 7. UMW's Bruen, Flanagan, Bates, Mitchell, Larson, and Tracy each scored 8 or more. Every UMW player scored.
Glad to see bisonpride posting again. Welcome back.
bbald eagle - Thanks! I will try my best to posting up here more often soon. I tend to be on other side of the board often to posting up the men's team.
Tomorrow, Gallaudet women (2-13, 0-7) will host Hood College (1-13, 1-3 AWCC) at 6pm. To remind you all that it is non-conference game. Hood women, unlike the men, will join CAC next year instead of this season.
Yes it is good to see bisonpride back and posting, mwcsid keep up the posting, as bisonpride pointed out the men's board gets more attention ??? ........... maybe if atnwriter posted here we might get more posts!!! :o ;D :o
it looks like Hood is a winnable game, bisonpride. Good luck. The Marymount game at Mary Washington tonight is for the CAC lead.
Well hi there, baldereagle...I appreciate you requesting my presence :D
Seriously speaking, looks like MWC is seriously thumping teams these days...for those of us New Englanders, how does this squad compare to last yrs (MWCSID, feel free to respond...)
Well, as the recently departed Big Tuna once said, "We are what our record is". ;D
That said, I think this year's team is probably better than last year's. While losing Olinger to graduation was a big loss, especially early (with those two losses), having nine of the top ten players returning with an additional year of experience has to make them better. My only hope is that when the shots aren't falling, we continue to get tougher.
Hey atnwriter thanks for stopping bye, come back soon!!
Marymount at Mary Washington usually proves to be a good game, Coach Finney seems to bring out the best in his Team at Goolrick Gym, first place in the CAC is tonights menu!! ;D
Live stats from tonight's York - Goucher game:
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Gallaudet will recognize the women's volleyball team during halftime of tonight's men game for winning CAC championship and successful road to Sweet 16. They lost to the NCAA D-III national championship, Juniata College in the Sweet 16. They will unveil the 2006 championship banner that will will hang with other banners on the Field House ceiling.
Congrats Lady Bison Volleyball Team
Halftime from Goolrick...
UMW 38, Marymount 27
Flanagan has 13 at the half for UMW.
Hood lead over Gallaudet 35-28 at half time..
FYI - The head coach for the Gallaudet volleyball team, Lynn Ray Boren was 4 years letterman basketball player for the Bison during successful early 1990s teams under Coach James DeStefano. He was an teammate with Bison greats; Brian Bippus, Anthony Jones and current Bison assistant coach, John Perry, etc.
Boren just finish his second year at the helm in past fall. Boren has amassed a 53-22 (.707) record in two years with the Bison Volleyball team so far. Over these two years, the Women's Volleyball Program has completed historic milestones by winning the back-to-back Capital Athletic Conference Championships (2005, 2006), including consecutive NCAA Tournament trips, advancing to the Second Round in 2005 and taking it a step further to the Sweet Sixteen in 2006. Lynn Ray won the CAC Coach of Year award in his first year (2005). Prior to coaching career at Gallaudet, he was assistant coach at Model Secondary School for the Deaf (Washington, DC) from 1993-1996 before take over the helm in 1997. He had 217 wins and a .716 winning percentage in his 8 years as the head coach for the Model before accepted the job for the Lady Bison volleyball team in the summer of 2005.
Hood Blazers - 39
Gallaudet Bison - 35
13:50 remaining in 2nd half
please tell me there will be a broadcast of the umw vs bridgewater game...that is always one of the toughest played games
Final from Field House..
Hood Blazers - 65
Gallaudet Bison - 56
Men's game coming up soon at 8pm.
waiting on mwcsid to post details, however it is safe to say UMW is #1 in the CAC :o
Final from York...
York 73-Goucher 65
Game Box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB18.HTM
Quote from: bisonpride on January 25, 2007, 07:41:24 PM
Final from Field House..
Hood Blazers - 65
Gallaudet Bison - 56
:'(
Yeah UMW won, 74-56
Why don't you guys get on the other schools for not broadcasting? Sorry the 60-70 hours I put in a week isn't good enough for you.
Mary Washington got sole possession of first place in the CAC by beating Marymount last night. UMW led throughout, but it was close until the last minutes. This was a hard fought heavy weight slugfest. There were 19 fouls on each team but it seemed like more. Coach Finney got a T. Each team took 26 free throws.
Sarah Flanagan continued her hot shooting, going 5-6 for threes and nailing all 6 free throws for 21 points for UMW. Marymount attacked the UMW posts and got them in foul trouble early. Marymount's Terell White (12 points) drew a lot of fouls (8-10 FTs) but fouled out herself. UMW's Debbie Bruen got her second foul very early and sat out most of the first half. She picked up two more in the second and only played 15 minutes in the game but she scored 12. Center Liz Hickey got two fouls in the first half and a third at the start of the second half so she sat some too. Hickey ended with 11 points and 3 blocks in 23 minutes. Lisa Tracy (10 points, 6 rebounds, 26 minutes) and Ashton Mitchell (8 points, 7 rebounds, 16 minutes) picked up the time at post without the team missing a beat. Kathryn Wilson was high scorer for Marymount with 14.
Finney got a T???? Details, please. ???
i can't help much on the details. he ran down the bench toward the baseline waving his arms and yelling which he's done before. I have no idea what he said. the baseline referee called a T. UMW made both shots. ;D
Live Stats for the York - Salisbury game at 4:00 pm.
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Should be a great game. Interesting to see how the Spartans continue to evolve without the services of their do-it-all point guard Keli Ward. York played a great first half against Goucher but struggled a bit in the second half as the green and white struggled to get into their offense. Kristen Daly, fresh off reaching 1,000 points, really stepped up with 19 points, 13 rebounds and seven assists.
mwcsid
I took your suggestion and asked another team, here is what they said ::) :o
Quote from: fairmont1113 on January 26, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: Balder Eagle on January 26, 2007, 04:24:10 PM
Will Bridgewater be posting live stats or airing next Tuesday's game against University of Mary Washington?
yes, they will be broadcasting it....
http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=906
Quote from: ycp on January 26, 2007, 07:51:10 PM
Interesting to see how the Spartans continue to evolve without the services of their do-it-all point guard Keli Ward.
How serious is it? She's at least the third good player to go down this season with Marymount's Tara Eddy and CUA's Kristen Linderoth also out.
Looks like Keli Ward is OK after all, seems she played 27 minutes in Yorks win over Salisbury today 73-59. With 11 points, 2 steals, 1 blocked shot, 5 boards and 4 assists it is good to see Keli is up and playing!!
UMW 91
Hood 34
Goes to show what I know :) Keli dressed, to everyone surprise including Coach Witman's, warmed up, felt good and played 27 minutes. Hopefully, she won't be too sore tomorrow.
The Spartans are a totally different team with her on the floor. It was a great team effort and it's always good to protect your home court.
Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB19.HTM
Great to see Ashton Mitchell and Lisa Tracy stepping up their games off the bench these past weeks.
Moving forward, games with Bridgewater this Tuesday and York on Saturday may well just provide playoff atmosphere. UMW EAGLES!! :o :o
Christendom - 18
@ Gallaudet - 30 * HALF *
Gallaudet end the first half with 20-8 or 17-8 run to extend their lead to 12.
Good for Gally!
Mary Washington is ranked #1 in the nation in Field-Goal Percentage Defense and #2 in Scoring Defense and also in Scoring Margin.
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary
Final from Field House..
Christendom - 32
@ Gallaudet - 70
A well played playoff caliber game that went to overtime.........
UMW-89
Bridgewater-81
bridgewater is always a good match up especially on the road. congrats to the lady eagles
A great out of conference OT win for Mary Washington against a top ODAC team. Bridgewater had 5 players in double figures and was 19 of 20 from the free throw line. The heart of their team is their point guard, Katy Herr Lovell. UMW had three in double figures, Debbie Bruen with 23 and 10 rebounds, Sarah Flanagan with 16, and Amanda Bates with 17.
The game was a see-saw with the score often tied. Bridgewater led by 5 with about a minute and a half to go. UMW tied it and went ahead at around 30 seconds on a pair of Bruen free throws. Hickey made one of two free throws about ten seconds later to extend it to two point lead, but fouled out near the buzzer and Herr Lovell made both free throws to tie it and send the game to OT which UMW dominated for the win.
I was very impressed with MWU watching them play my BC Eagles last night. They are a very good team and have a lot of depth. I was very impressed with Debbie Bruen. It was a fun game to watch as both of these teams fought very hard in an exciting game!
Congrats to Deb Bruen as she has passed the school's career free throw record at UMW, raising her career total to 329 made and breaking the record previously held by Lindsay Stover from 1994-98.
Tonight's most interesting CAC match is Marymount (7-2, CAC) at Catholic (5-4, CAC). CUA needs a win or it will be fighting with Salisbury to stay out of the bottom half of the league in its final CAC season. Marymount needs a win to stay in the hunt for the #1 seed which is unlikely to happen anyway given its pair of losses to UMW. The CUA website's schedule page
http://www.cuacardinals.com/sports/wbkb/2006-07/schedule
has a link for live stats for the 6 p.m. game
York is leading over Gallaudet, 20-13 with 9:00 remaining in 1st half
York College - 36
@ Gallaudet - 23 HALF
Final from Gally....
York 66-Gallaudet 49
Details once I get the box
CUA beat Marymount by 10
The top match up this Saturday has to be York at Mary Washington. If UMW wins, they probably will be the #1 seed in the tournament. York was the only CAC team to beat UMW the first time around. If York wins again, the two team's records are identical and #1 is up for grabs. Marymount at Goucher is an interesting matchup too with Goucher hungry for an upset win and coming off an OT loss to Salisbury while Marymount should also be hungry after losing two of their last 3 CAC games.
Sole possesion of 1st place in the CAC is on the line this Saturday as York and UMW are in a tie for the #1 spot.
I can't see York sweeping the series by beating Mary Washington at Goolrick. I don't think it will be close.
http://athletics.umw.edu/index.html
02/02/07
UMW Basketball to Host Locks of Love Game Saturday
FREDERICKSBURG, VA - The University of Mary Washington basketball teams will host their annual "Locks of Love" Games on Saturday. A $5 donation is requested from all in attandance, as stylists from Fantastic Sams will cut the hair of several ladies to be donated to the Locks of Love organization that makes wigs for children with cancer. All proceeds and donations collected will also be given to Locks of Love.
http://www.locksoflove.org
Early prediction: umw 76 york 56...the gyms is going to be packed because of word is getting about locks of love and york being their only loss this season. If the eagles can channel their adrenaline at the beginning of the game the rest will be a basketball clinic.
ycp
Any live stats of todays game?
I will not be making the trip today.
You guys in Fredericksburg need to talk Clint into buying the live stats package.
I am sure it will an interesting game in Fredericksburg. The Eagles are rolling and the Spartans have also played well as of late. A win by UMW pretty much wraps up the number one seed.
I fully expect Mary Washington to pound the ball inside early which opens up the perimeter game later on. York needs to shoot the ball well and try to limit Mary Washington's second chance points. IF the Spartans can limit those second chances, convert on the offensive end and the Eagles don't go off early, it could be a tight game.
If not, it could be a long day for the green and white. I am sure the Eagles are ready to serve out some revenge for their only league loss.
Yeah, yeah...
I HAVE the live stats package, but no one here will set it up for me to our server.
Both the York ESPN radio and the student radio stations are coming today, so you can listen to one of those...
York 24-Mary Washington 23 with about five minutes left in the half.
As Clint said, I am listening to the game on our ESPN station.
UMW 30-YCP 27 with about two minutes left in the half.
At the half.
UMW 32-YCP 28
UMW 39-YCP 28,
Mary Washington is on a 9-0 run to start the half.
UMW 41-YCP 30 with 14:20 left
The Eagles are starting to pull away as they can't miss and York can't make,
UMW up 48-32
with 13:47 remaining
UMW 50-YCP 34
with 11 minutes left
UMW 58-York 45
8:42 to play
2:53 left
UMW 70-YCP 55
Final from Fredericksburg,
UMW 74- YCP 62
The UMW run to start the second half kills the green and white
17th ranked University of Mary Washington Eagles handed the Spartans a 74-62 setback in Capital Athletic Conference action on Saturday afternoon in Fredericksburg.
The Eagles, as always, were balanced led by the reigning CAC Player-of-the-Year Debbie Bruen as the forward poured in 18 points and grabbed 10 rebounds for a double-double. Bruen was 7-for-10 from the floor and 4-for-4 from the line while she also had three assists and a blocked shot. Center Liz Hickey added 13 points, five rebounds, and four blocked shots for UMW. Katy Larson chipped in 12 points while Lisa Tracy was the fourth Eagle in double figures with 10 points while she also contributed seven boards.
The Spartans received 20 points from Ward as the sophomore continues to recover from an injury. She added eight rebounds to the Spartan cause and, for the first time in her career, she did not have an assist in the game. Daly was the other Spartan to break in double figures with 12 points while she also had three rebounds, three assists, and two steals.
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/results.html
Quote from: mwcsid on February 03, 2007, 12:02:12 PM
Yeah, yeah...
I HAVE the live stats package, but no one here will set it up for me to our server.
::) Aw, c'mon
Clint,
I'll send my IT ace down the Fredericksburg to help you out. Less than two hours and you should be up and running :)
Scott,
Email his name and number to me, maybe he can walk me through it.
Mary Washington 74-62 win over York featured the last three CAC Rookies of the Year, York's Keli Ward (05-06) and Kristen Daly (04-05) and UMW's Debbie Bruen (03-04).
3-PT REB
FG FG FT O D T PF TP A TO BK S MIN
Keli Ward........... g 5-12 2-4 8-9 2 6 8 2 20 0 5 1 0 38
Kristen Daly........ f 4-17 1-5 3-4 1 2 3 2 12 3 1 0 2 28
Debbie Bruen...... f 7-10 0-0 4-4 1 9 10 3 18 3 0 1 0 32
Another ODAC/CAC matchup tonight. 16-3 Randolph Macon at 13-7 CUA
Congrats to Deb Bruen (UMW) CAC Player of the week.
http://www.cacsports.com/wbasketball/weeklynotes/020507wbbaotw.pdf
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 04, 2007, 07:19:31 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on February 03, 2007, 12:02:12 PM
Yeah, yeah...
I HAVE the live stats package, but no one here will set it up for me to our server.
::) Aw, c'mon
Quote from: ycp on February 04, 2007, 07:50:50 AM
Clint,
I'll send my IT ace down the Fredericksburg to help you out. Less than two hours and you should be up and running :)
Quote from: mwcsid on February 04, 2007, 11:48:39 AM
Scott,
Email his name and number to me, maybe he can walk me through it.
Clint, are they up and running for tomorrows game with Salisbury? ::)
Catholic 31
Randolph-Macon 20
at the 1/2
Final
68 CUA
63 RMC
tonight -
Salisbury at Mary Washington
York at St. Mary's
Goucher at Gallaudet
Probably won't be any surprises tonight. UMW won at Salisbury by 37. York only beat St. Mary's by 4 at York, so maybe there's a chance for an upset there. Goucher had a home win over Gallaudet by 18, but it's Goucher's only league win and the two are mired on the bottom so who knows.
if catholic can make a run here at the end bbald eagle will be on right on target with his preseason picks.
Playing without Debbie Bruen and Katy Larson UMW leads over Salisbury at the half
33-18
Final Score
UMW 72
Salisbury 51
Final from St. Mary's,
York 72-St. Mary's 63
Amanda Andrews leads York with a career-high 23 points.
Game box:
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB22.HTM
The dumb box score link isn't working for some reason, recap of YCP/SMC.....
Amanda Andrews finished the game with a career-high 23 points, shooting 7-for-10 from the floor including a career-high 5-for-7 from three. She also made 4-of-5 from the line and collected four rebounds. Sophomore point guard Keli Ward tossed in 19 points, collected six rebounds, had two assists, and notched two steals. Ward was 9-for-12 from the free throw line in the game. Sophomore Amy Fry was the third Spartan in double figures 10 points while she also had three rebounds.
St. Mary's was paced by Allie Scott and Stephanie Saint-Aubin as they tallied 18 points each. Scott was 8-for-18 from the floor including 1-for-2 from three and 1-for-1 from the line. Scott chipped in with nine rebounds and two assists. Saint-Aubin was 7-for-9 from the floor with one three and 3-for-4 from the free throw line. She also had a game-high six steals. Megan Uglik was the third Seahawk in double figures with 14 points.
what is the story behind debbie and larson?
From what I heard, they were both sick for tonight's game. I don't think anything major but enough to keep them from playing.
Goucher beat Gallaudet 68-53 at Field House. Swan of Goucher led the way with 22 points. Foronda led the pace for the Bison with 19 points.
Quote from: Eaglescout on February 06, 2007, 10:30:07 PM
what is the story behind debbie and larson?
bbald eagle usually has more insight in these matters :P
I heard Bruen was ill and Larson is scheduled to have a knee checked out, possibly today.
All the best to both of them.
Balder - ??? I don't know any more than you do.
York hosts Catholic tomorrow and then goes to Marymount on Saturday. These two games should go a long way to sorting out the CAC tournament seedings.
Isn't it about time the NCAA posted regional rankings? Aren't they due today?
Division II Regional Rankings are out.......... ;D
When are the Regional Pairings for Round 2 of the NCAA Tournament released?
Women's Regional Rankings are out... check the Daily Dose on the front page!
UMW #1 - like anyone expected otherwise!
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 07, 2007, 05:25:23 PM
Women's Regional Rankings are out... check the Daily Dose on the front page!
UMW #1 - like anyone expected otherwise!
Thanks Dave -- The UMW Ladies are trying to entice Pat Coleman into broadcasting his Alma Mater's last regular season game before leaving the CAC on Sat. Feb 17 at 2:00 pm as they play at Catholic ;)
Good luck getting Pat to broadcast that game... considering he lives in Connecticut now.
You may be able to convince me to do it... but there are lots of options! :)
That would be great Dave, maybe we can get Clint to give you one of the latest edition - "EAGLE NATION" T-shirt!! :o :o
This is copied from the men's CAC board
Quote from: mwgoonie on February 08, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
UMW's Baker, Bruen Named to CoSIDA Academic All-District Teams
FREDERICKSBURG, VA - University of Mary Washington seniors Justin Baker and Debbie Bruen have been named to the Academic All-District basketball teams, as selected by the College Sports Information Directors of America in the district. Baker was named to the men's first team, and will be eligible for Academic All-America honors, while Bruen was named to the third team.
Baker, who carries a 3.49 overall GPA as a business major, leads UMW in scoring again this season, and recently scored his 1,000th career point. After transferring from the College of William & Mary, Baker has been equally impressive on the floor and in the classroom, leading UMW to a 13-7 record this season.
Bruen, who earned All-America honors on the floor last season, adds academic all-district honors this year. A psychology major, Bruen carries a 3.29 overall GPA. The reigning CAC Player of the Week, Bruen leads UMW in scoring for the fourth consecutive season.
The College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA) selects Academic All-America teams in 12 programs. A first team, second team and third team are selected in both the University (Division I and I-AA) and College (Division II, III and NAIA) Divisions.
Live Stats for tonight's YCP/CUA contest at the Grumbacher Center
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
congrats to debbie for making the academic all-distric team. Best wishes to her getting well. I hear that she is still quite sick. The next few games should allow her to get the needed rest before heading into the tourney.
Posted on D3hoops Daily Dose - Top 25 News and Notes–Week 10 Streakers:
#14 Mary Washington has been ranked in 25 straight polls.
GO EAGLES!
Catholic at York has to be the game of the night. Catholic seems to picking up some steam.
Mary Washington at Gallaudet involves no suspense.
St. Mary's at Salisbury has a little but not much chance for an upset but even that wouldn't mean much in the standings.
#14 UMW - 33 *HALF*
@ Gallaudet - 10
#14 UMW Eagles win 75-24 over Gallaudet Bison.
Final from York...
YCP 76-CUA 60
Keli Ward notches the second triple double in YCP history.
Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB23.HTM
York College sophomore point guard Keli Ward recorded the second triple-double in the history of the women's basketball program as the Spartans notched a 76-60 Capital Athletic Conference victory over Catholic University on Thursday night in York. The triple-double is the first since Brooke Davis recorded 15 points, 13 rebounds, and 11 assists in the January 26, 1999 win at Goucher College. Davis also had seven blocked shots and six steals in the Spartans' 85-46 victory over the Gophers.
Ward finished the game with 17 points, 11 rebounds, 11 assists, one blocked shot and one steal in just 32 minutes of action. Ward was 4-for-5 from the floor, 3-for-4 from three, and 6-for-8 from the free throw line. Senior captain Jess Kemp was outstanding in the game with 17 points, three assists, three steals, and two rebounds. Kemp drained five threes in the game as she tied Ward for the game-high scoring honors. Junior Kristen Daly and sophomore Amy Fry each added 12 points. Fry had seven rebounds, four assists and a steal while Daly pulled in four caroms and had a pair of steals. Sophomore Chanel Perez had nine points and nine rebounds in the victory.
Maria Rojas led the Cardinals with a game-high tying 17 points. Rojas was 7-for-12 from the floor including 2-for-5 from three, and 1-for-1 from the line. Rojas also had five rebounds and three assists. Kate Robinson chipped in with 12 points and three boards while Jackie DeBorger added 11 points, three assists, and a pair of rebounds.
Bruen was in street clothes and on the bench for the Gallaudet game last night. Word is she will be dressed for the game tomorrow.
York at Marymount with Salisbury at Catholic tomorrow may prove interesting in regards to seeding for the CAC Tournament.
It might be a factor because I have never heard Bruen missing a game for illness no matter who the opponent was. Then again the regular season is pretty much a lock and it is better for her to be well rested so applebury is probably just being extra cautious. I do not think her sickness should play a huge role in the seeding especially with the depth of this eagle team. This being her senior year I wish her a speedy recovery to back on the court and finish up the season strong.
Final from Marymount
Marymount 68-York 63
That pretty much locks up the top three seeds in the tournament.
1. UMW
2. MMU
3. York
The Spartans are done with their CAC schedule and finish 10-4. Marymount is 9-3 with two to play but even if they do lose at Salisbury on Wednesday, they finish up the year with a game against Gallaudet. They hold the tiebreaker with a pair of wins over York.
From Goolrick Gym - Bruen and Larson are not dressed to play for the UMW Eagles :'(
Stephanie Witko named Academic All District
Stephanie Witko, a junior forward, was named to the ESPN The Magazine Academic All District Second Team in the college division in women's basketball. The award is given to those student-athletes who excel both on the court and in the classroom
Witko is a Psychology major with an overall grade point average of 3.98. She also is a member of the Honors Program and a co-captain on the basketball team.
She currently leads the Capital Athletic Conference in rebounding, averaging 8.2 per game. She is 18th in the CAC in scoring, hitting for 9.0 points per contest. She is fourth in the conference in blocks, with 1.1 per game.
Student-athletes are nominated for the award by their sports information director and voting is done by district by CoSIDA members.
With the regular season winding down, anyones thoughts on the CAC Tournament?
UMW, Marymount, and York should all win easily in the first round. ;) The 4/5 match should be Catholic/Salisbury which looks like a tossup. ???
York and UMW in the final...I do not see York getting beat three times this year by marymount. UMW will beat York in the final. I'm going to go with salisbury over catholic in the first round
Those sound like good choices if everyone is healthy which may not be the case especially for UMW.
In the first round, CUA/Salisbury is the tough call. They will probably both end up 7-7 unless Catholic beats UMW this Saturday which is not likely. If 7-7, CUA website says Salisbury gets the tiebreaker and hosts. If Catholic beats UMW, CUA probably ends up 8-6 and hosts first round. During the season, though, they lost the home game of the pairing and won on the road. I'd give the edge to CUA over Salisbury, but not by much, on a neutral floor. I think the home team will win in the tournament in light of the extra excitement, so Salibury is a good choice.
Never under estimate Coach Finney and his Marymount Saints
Will they reschedule the senior night game? The weather looks like it may impede on the game. :'(
Bruen has been one of those few players that a coach can build a team around. She has been an inspirational leader on and off the court for the past four years and it would only be fitting for her to receive a well deserved farewell in the last regular season CAC game to ever played in Goolrick Gymnasium.
UMW has cancelled daytime classes but will make a decision later on whether evening classes are cancelled too. The temperature is supposed to get up almost to 40. I'd guess the game will be played tonight unless the road from St. Mary's is a factor.
No decision yet, I'll let you guys know when something is decided.
Decision made...
GAME ON. See you all at Goolrick at 6 pm.
Unlike Mary Washington, York and Hood will move Wednesday's game to Thursday night at 6:00. It's pretty bad up here with the ice so I think this is a good decision.
result from field house..
catholic beat gallaudet 74-40.
A bit of a suprise that Salisbury beat Marymount tonight, 75-66. Looks like Salisbury will be hosting the 4/5 game.
Good to see Debbie Bruen back on the court for senior night for UMW, winners 72-43 over St. Mary's. But Sarah Flanagan went down early in the game with an injury. :-[
any news on how serious flanagan's injury is?
Today's Fredericksburg paper has an article on the game that also deals with your question
" Despite the injury to her left knee, Flanagan managed to put some weight on her leg while using crutches to leave the gymnasium both at halftime and at game's end.
'It's too early to tell. We'll have to get it looked at,' coach Deena Applebury responded when asked the possibility if Flanagan would be sidelined for any length of time."
There's more about the game and about Flanagan's injury -
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/022007/02152007/260162
Quote from: Eaglescout on February 12, 2007, 12:28:28 PM
I do not see York getting beat three times this year by marymount.
It's possible
"The Spartans have now lost 12 straight games against the Saints including a pair this season."
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/results.html
wow thanks for pointing that out...I'm still sticking with the spartans...If the Celtics were able to pull out of their losing streak I'm going to give lucky game number 13 to the spartans.
Anyone have updates on Larson and Flannagan?
These two are important outside scoring threats for UMW!
UMW's Flanagan played but went down again early in the second half. Larson is still in street clothes. CUA's Maria Rojas and Shannon Mertz each reached the 1,000 point mark in CUA'S loss to UMW today. UMW did not look sharp even though they won by 15. Coach Applebury couldn't seem to get right combos on the floor or the team into the swing of thing especially after Flanagan got hurt. CUA did a good job on tripling posts. A tough win. ;D
I hope flan and larson get healthy soon :( Their presence is missed
One has to wonder if Bruen is back to 75% of her potential after her illness. She did not play the last 3:00 minutes of the game against CUA. Bieng UMW's leading free throw shooter one would think she would be in the game during crunch time when CUA was trying to get the lead by putting Eagle player's on the charity stripe. Hope her strength returns soon. Foul shots are a critical aspect of a close game.
mwcsid
As we are now entering the CAC Tournament I pose, again, the question..........
Will we have live stats? A radio broadcast?
More than one I hope ;D
Game time is 7 PM tonight, I suspect bisonpride will be updating the scores here :P
Go Eagles!
Play tough tonight!
Live Stats for tonight's YCP-SMC game:
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
at the half from York...
YCP 34-SMC 26
Daly and St. Aubin each have 18 points.
Saint Aubin has been to the line nine times in the first half. A number of questionable calls.
Quote from: ycp on February 20, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
at the half from York...
A number of questionable calls.
Questionable calls seem to be the order of the 2006/2007 Season!! ::) :o ::) :o
Spartans play pretty well despite the choppiness (I don't even know if that is a word) of the contest.
Final:
York 74-SMC 53
Game box
http://www.ycp.edu/sports/womens_basketball/2006/YCPWBB26.HTM
Halftime at Goolrick,
UMW 46, Gallaudet 19
Bruen being Bruen, 16 points in 14 min.
Any updates on Flan's and Larson's injuries? :-\
Salisbury will head to Mary Washington tomorrow night for the CAC semifinals. The Eagles, the tournament's top seed, are currently ranked in the top 10 nationally and are riding a 20-game winning streak into tonight's contest following a 100-41 thumping of Gallaudet in the first round yesterday.
"This is what I live for as a coach, and this is what an athlete lives for: A chance, as I put it, for David to go slay Goliath, because we're playing the best," Benshetler said. "I wouldn't have it any other way. We've got to go there, we've got to get on the road. Too bad. You want to win a championship you have to go through the best
GO GOLIATH ;D
Wow, what a game!
Where does Bruen rank in all-time Lady Eagles?
Congrats to Debbie Bruen for being named a top -10 finalist for the Josten's Trophy!
Debbie is 1st in school history in fg% and ft%, and free throws made. She's second all-time in scoring and rebounding. AND I may add that she is one of the greatest people I've ever known. She is so giving of herself to those less fortunate or terminally ill, and a great student to boot. All that, and the leader of a team that's 76-11 over the past three years, not too bad.
Congratulations to Debbie Bruen for being a Josten finalist.
The CAC championship might turn on who is healthiest, although UMW has to be the heavy favorite.
Salisbury at UMW tonight. Bruen was out sick the last time the two teams played and Katie Larson missed the game too and UMW won by 20, so UMW should win without Sarah Flanagan and Katie if they are still out and don't play tonight but it sure could use them back.
York at Marymount tonight. Katie Armentrout did not play in the last couple of Marymount games. If she can't play tonight, she's Marymount's second lost starter this season after Tara Eddy got hurt. Maybe York can break its long string of losses to Marymount.
The Catholic and Goucher women left the CAC quietly in the first round. Coach Loney of Gallaudet isn't waiting around to improve her program. "The Bison have the week off before hitting the weight room for off-season training next week." http://athletics.gallaudet.edu/?ID=10443
From MU,
Marymount 13-York 6
just over five minutes into the game
York has burned a pair of timeouts already
13:32 left, MU 15-York 6
10:00 left in the first,
24-6 Marymount
Yikes, not the result I was expecting
About a minute left in the half,
Marymount 31-York 16
37 - 32 UMW leads over Salisbury at halftime in a real dog fight of a game
51 - 41 UMW leads @ 14:17 second half
With 12:40 to go,
45-24 Marymount
UMW leads 61 - 47 with 10 min to go
with 8:42 left,
MU 51-YCP 30
With 3:55 left,
Marymount 55-York 40
77 - 56 UMW
1:40 to go
Final:
Marymount 60-York 44
Lowest offensive output of the season for York, second lowest was the 53-46 win over Mary Washington.
Bad way to end a record tying season.
Final
UMW 79
Salisbury 58
Rematch of last year's championship game... at the same place!
Good luck to both teams!
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on February 22, 2007, 08:44:51 PM
Rematch of last year's championship game... at the same place!
Good luck to both teams!
The anticipation is awfully sweet ;D
Will the Marymount Fans succeed in making The Saints feel at home at Goolrick Gym as they did last year? Will their colorful St. Bernard be fed bones from the faithful fab five (or is it six)? Will the Lady Saints boldly once again make their entrance though the front door for warm-ups?
Will The Eagle come out of the closet and be dressed for the game? Will the boy's team make a loud appearance to offset the St. Bernard and his entourage? Will the Fans have their Eagle Nation shirts on?
Rest assured Coach Finney will come with his team prepared to play and that Coach Applebury's Lady Eagles have been waiting a year for this game.
Congrats to Marymount and Mary Washington on making the CAC championship game.
I also want to congratulate my Spartans. A young team that returns all five of their top scorers and four of their five starters next year. They didn't play well tonight but the returning talent and an exciting group of prospective student-athletes make it a very exciting future for the Spartans.
One interesting note about tonight's game.
Free throw attempts: Marymount 26-York 4
Free throw makes: Marymount 18-York 3
Fouls: Marymount 9 - York 17
Difference in free throw makes: 15
Score differential: 16 points
It doesn't sound like York played well enought to win anyhow but it is interesting in the very large discrepency between the two teams at the line. Marymount hammered the Spartans on the boards again (47-27) which is probably the biggest reason Marymount is 3-0 against York this year. The other two games were close but York went over six minutes without scoring turning a six point deficit into a 19-point hole, essentially making it almost impossible for York to come back in the second half.
Best of luck to both teams. I hope we have a classic championship game.
So dmac, should I set up a table and get a phone line for a d3hoops broadcast on Saturday? ;) The game will be somewhere between 1 and 2 pm I think.
Bruen (19 in 25 min.) and Hickey (16-10-8 blocks) played up to their status as All-Americans tonight. Leigh Kampman's toughness on the boards and on D was again HUGE, what a difference she makes. Bates was again big on several fronts, and her 25 footer at the first half buzzer was big going in to the locker room.
mwcsid... I wouldn't bet on it. Need to be in Frederick, MD by 6 PM that night... and I have tried that trip up 95 after a women's championship game... just trying to get to Arlington... and it wasn't pretty.
However... you never know... I will have to check with the rest of the "powers-to-be" :)!
Quoting Santiago from before the Season Kicked off.
"1. Mary Washington (they are not stopping until they have a national title...they have grown since bruen and deena appeared in fredericksburg and I don't think deena will allow senior bruen to leave without a strong showing.)
2. Marymount (just thought I would mix it up...you don't have the amount of success of marymount has had over the last 15 years based on a couple of players coming and going...that kind of success is built on good coaching)"
I think Mary Washington is still on track if they are full strength. Are there any updates on sarah and larson?
i'm pretty sure Sarah Flanagan won't be playing again this year because of an injury :'(
congrats to the eagle ladies
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fathletics.umw.edu%2Fbruennet.gif&hash=ae871f4214f6ba1264f800446556aee8ad495fc2)
UMW 53, MMT 42
The eighth-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team defeated Marymount University, 53-42, on Saturday afternoon at Goolrick Gymnasium to claim the Capital Athletic Conference tournament championship. The Eagles, now 26-2 on the season and winners of 22 straight games, will await the announcement on when and where they will play in the NCAA Division III Tournament next week.
Marymount opened the game by racing out to an 11-0 lead in the opening five minutes of play. But the Eagle defense tightened and the offense awoke to outscore the Saints, 25-13, the rest of the half to take a 25-24 advantage into halftime. The improved offense and defense was amplified in the second half, as UMW shot 48.1% from the floor, while limiting the Saints to just five field goals and 20.8% shooting in the second frame. Debbie Bruen scored 12 of her 14 points in the second half, going 6-7 from the floor in the same span that Liz Hickey made her first 10 shots.
Hickey scored a game-high 21 points on 10-11 shooting from the floor, and added eight rebounds and seven blocked shots to pace the Eagle attack. Bruen scored 14 points, grabbed nine rebounds, and added three assists and two blocks. Marymount was led by Terrell White's 13 points and Kathleen Brown's 10 points.
Congratulations to all the CAC honorees
http://www.cacsports.com/wbasketball/weeklynotes/2007wbballcac.pdf
FREDERICKSBURG, VA - Live statistics will be available for the three NCAA Basketball tournament games played at Goolrick Gymnasium at Mary Washington this weekend. To watch a game play out live on your computer screen, simply click the link below.
http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, in regards to the Live Stats, bbald eagle ;D
Congrats to the CAC Honorees
i only posted the information I saw on the UMW website. mwcsid probably is the one to thank for the live stats.
THANK YOU mwcsid ;D
It is terribly quiet here, pre-game jitters or pre-game warm ups>? ;D
I want to wish Mary Washington luck today. Take out Christopher Newport today. I think Mary Washinton's key to winning is stopping #5 from scoring of CNU, if she gets out Mary Washinton is in a world of trouble. CNU has some solid post players so be aggressive and crash the boards hard. You should be victorious.
UMW will settle in after the "first round excitement" and hopefully come away victorious today. Congrats to all teams who survived the first round.
The Eagle will soar!!!!!!
Wow gotta love it when a fell USA South fan cheers for the opposing team. Hate to say PrideSportsbballGuy, my opinion on you just dropped.
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 03, 2007, 11:00:56 AM
I want to wish Mary Washington luck today. Take out Christopher Newport today. I think Mary Washinton's key to winning is stopping #5 from scoring of CNU, if she gets out Mary Washinton is in a world of trouble. CNU has some solid post players so be aggressive and crash the boards hard. You should be victorious.
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 03, 2007, 12:00:35 PM
Wow gotta love it when a fell USA South fan cheers for the opposing team. Hate to say PrideSportsbballGuy, my opinion on you just dropped.
Love is in the air!!
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 03, 2007, 12:00:35 PM
Wow gotta love it when a fell USA South fan cheers for the opposing team. Hate to say PrideSportsbballGuy, my opinion on you just dropped.
Well, I don't like CNU. I may have said that already before. There are many reasons why, but won't get into on CAC.
"Take out Christopher Newport today." I honestly think CNU will win today. If #5 really gets on roll She can shoot the ball Mary Washington is in a world of trouble CNU is peaking at the right time. So Good Luck to both teams.
Plus you have to realize this Rikki_Tikki I have some close ties with teams in CAC. personally know a couple of people at Mary Washinton and know a player on a team that gave Mary Washington their only conference loss this year.
Hey, thanks!
You'll notice the broadcasts are coming from Prestosports' server, not ours. Funny how a server change can work it out. :-)
UMW only allowed eight field goals last night... I am guessing that may be a women's d3 tournament game record, but can't find anything on the NCAA site.
Stop #5? box score last night doesn't include a #5 for CNU!?
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 03, 2007, 01:25:43 PM
Stop #5? box score last night doesn't include a #5 for CNU!?
ah yes. I believe that she might have a different jersey number on the road, if you go on the cnu website and take a look there. Then take a look at her statistics in some of the games she had. She can put up some numbers if she gets hot.
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/womensbasketball/0607wbrst.htm
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on March 03, 2007, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 03, 2007, 01:25:43 PM
Stop #5? box score last night doesn't include a #5 for CNU!?
ah yes. I believe that she might have a different jersey number on the road, if you go on the cnu website and take a look there. Then take a look at her statistics in some of the games she had. She can put up some numbers if she gets hot.
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/womensbasketball/0607wbrst.htm
Lets look at some team stats.....
..........especially scoring offense where UMW is #24 and
scoring defense where UMW is #3
--in the country!http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?sportCode=WBB
Balder Eagle-
Did you miss the part where I said "Take out Christopher Newport." I said if you can't stop #5 then Mary Washinton will probably lose today. I am backing Mary Washington up, today. Don't get defensive please. #5 Hope --in the country lost to 8 votes Denison --in the country It's tournament time!! Anything can happen.
PrideSportBBallGuy we will see you in the stands routing for UMW at 7 PM?
Quote from: Balder Eagle on March 03, 2007, 03:04:27 PM
PrideSportBBallGuy we will see you in the stands routing for UMW at 7 PM?
I wish, but I am here in NC :'( (Actually tommorow afternoon though, I will be driving past Fredricksburg.) I will be rooting for UMW with my live stats tonight. :)
This game reminds of the a shirt, I had a long time ago. "I root for two teams the Orioles, and whoever is playing the Yankees."
:D ;D
Fill those team names with Greenboro, and CNU though.
#8 UMW Women's Basketball Tops Christopher Newport, 77-61; Advances to Sweet 16 for Second Straight Year
FREDERICKSBURG, VA - Senior forward Debbie Bruen scored a game-high 20 points and hauled in seven rebounds to lead the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 77-61 win over Christopher Newport University on Saturday night at Goolrick Gytmnasium. The Eagles, winners of 24 straight games, will advance to the sectional semifinals on Friday, and will play against the University of Scranton at a time and location to be announced.
On Saturday, the Eagles took command early, making an 11-0 run early to lead, 19-6, with 11:26 remaining in the first half. UMW would lead by as many as 22 points in the first half, and led by 20 at intermission, 38-18. Junior point guard Amanda Bates was an early catalyst for the Eagles, with six first half points, as was sophomore forward Ashton Mitchell, who netted eight points and had two blocked shots in the opening frame.
The second half saw a back-and-forth game, in which neither team's lead strayed for more than six points from the halftime margin of 20. Bruen scored 15 of her 20 points in the second half, including back-to-back three pointers to open the period. Junior center Liz Hickey added 12 points, including 10 after intermission, and junior Lisa Tracy added 14 points for the Eagles as well. Leigh Kampman led UMW with eight rebounds to go with her six points, and Mitchell and Katy Larson each scored eight off the Eagle bench. UMW held CNU's starters to 30 points in the game, and caused 18 turnovers.
CNU was led by Shantel Burwell's 13 points, and Nikki Rowland and Alicia Bessey added 10 apiece for CNU.
The Eagles (28-2) advance to the sectional semifinals for the second straight season, as the Eagles will face the University of Scranton, who is currently ranked third in the nation in the D3Hoops.com national poll, on Friday. The location and time has yet to be announced by the NCAA.
Congrats, ladies, on making it back to the "sectional semifinals"... Love how the NCAA recommends that only Div. One uses "Sweet 16" and "Final Four"... I am proud of my "Sectionals" T shirt, and cant wait to buy another. ;)
Pat, dmac, I've looked online and in the NCAA record book, and need your help. I believe the eight field goals we allowed in Friday's game is an NCAA Tournament game record, but can't find it anywhere, they have limited records for NCAA games. Can you shed any light on this?
Quote from: mwcsid on March 04, 2007, 10:11:21 AM
Congrats, ladies, on making it back to the "sectional semifinals"... Love how the NCAA recommends that only Div. One uses "Sweet 16" and "Final Four"... I am proud of my "Sectionals" T shirt, and cant wait to buy another. ;)
Can we call it "The Sectional Sixteen" >?
::) ::) ::) ::)
Fredericksburg Free Lance Star on the game; article tilted EAGLES RETURN TO SWEET 16 ;D
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/032007/03042007/264785
Christopher Newport is a very physical team. And #5 for CNU wore #14 and does shoot well. UMW was better though.
I have mary washington taking scranton by 5. Scranton can put up points but mary washington has a great defense. If they can keep scranton to 54 points umw will pull out the win. scranton has a lot of experience and they are playing at home. good luck to the eagles!
The car is warmed, ready to go to Scranton.
GO EAGLES ;D
Represent the CAC well.
We are proud of you all!
03/09/07
#8 UMW Women's Basketball Now 'Elite'; Ends Scranton's 63-Game Home Court Win Streak in NCAA Sectional Semis
UMW 48, Scranton 45
SCRANTON, PA - Junior forward Lisa Tracy scored a team-high 15 points and junior Leigh Kampman headed a defensive effort that held the University of Scranton to 28.1% shooting, as the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team defeated the Lady Royals, 48-45, to advance to the NCAA Division III Elite Eight, and ended Scranton's 63-game home court winning streak which was the longest in the nation.
In a defensive battle that saw each team make just 16 field goals apiece, UMW grabbed an early six-point lead at 13-7 with 11:09 remaining in the first half. The Lady Royals went on an 8-0 run to take lead the lead at 15-13 with 6:41 to go, led by All-American Taryn Mellody, who had 13 of Scranton's 21 first half points. A pair of Tracy free throws and a steal and layup put the Eagles up, 17-15, with 5:45 left, and five points late in the half by Kampman gave UMW a 24-21 lead at the break.
Scranton scored the first six points of the second half to take a 27-24 lead, but a three pointer by Kaitie Clarkin and a pair of Katy Larson free throws put the Eagles on top for good with 14:37 remaining. A pair of Allison Matt free throws with 23 seconds left cut the deficit to one at 46-45, but Bruen connected on a pair of free throws to up the lead to 48-45, and Scranton's final second desparation three attempt was deflected as time expired.
In addition to her 15 points, Tracy added six rebounds and five steals, and Kampman scored nine points and grabbed six rebounds. Junior center Liz Hickey had eight points, 12 rebounds, and two blocks, and Bruen grabbed seven boards, including several key ones in the closing minutes. Mellody scored 19 for Scranton, but was held without a field goal in the second half.
The eagles will face top-ranked Bowdoin College in the sectional final on Saturday night at 7 pm in a rematch from last year's sectional semifinals in which Bowdoin won, 62-54. In addition to breaking Scranton's 63-game home court winning streak, the Eagles tie the school record for season wins, with their 29th of the season, and run their winning streak to 25 straight.
congradulations to the UMW Eagles on a well deserved and well earned victory over top ranked Bowdoin tonite 64-59.. Best of luck in Springfield against Depauw in the Final 4 .. BRING HOME THE GOLD LADIES !!!!!
Make the CAC proud
UMW Women's Basketball Tops #1 Bowdoin, 64-59, to Advance to Final Four
SCRANTON, PA - Playing in their first ever elite eight game, the University of Mary Washington women's basketball team overcame an 11-point second half deficit to defeat top-ranked Bowdoin College, 64-59, on Saturday night in Scranton, Pa. The Eagles outscored the Polar Bears, 15-3, over the final eight minutes for the come from behind win.
The Eagles led early, scoring the game's first four points, but Bowdoin got a three pointer from Jill Anelauskas to take the lead at 12-11, and the Bears outscored the Eagles, 19-11, to close the half with a nine point lead at 31-22.
Bowdoin upped the lead to 11, and held a 38-27 lead with 17:43 remaining. The lead stayed at 10 at 46-36 with 14:23 remaining, but UMW chipped away to cut the deficit to seven at 56-49 with 8:26 left. A free throw by Liz Hickey, playing with four fouls, and a pair of Hickey layups cut the deficit to two at 56-54 with 6:03 remaining. After a free throw by Lisa Tracy, Anelauskas hit another jumper to give Bowdoin a 58-55 lead with 4:45 on the clock. Katy Larson netted two free throws with 4:02 left, but Eileen Flaherty hit a free throw to up the Bowdoin lead to 59-57 with 2:54 left. Bowdoin would not score again, and UMW used a Hickey jumper and free throws from Leigh Kampman, Amanda Bates, and Lisa Tracy, with Tracy's pair coming with seven seconds left and capping the comeback.
Hickey led the Eagles with 16 points, and blocked five shots and grabbed four rebounds. Tracy was also in double figures, with 11 points, and had seven boards. Katy Larson had eight points and six assists, Debbie Bruen scored eight points in 19 minutes despite playing ill, and Amanda Bates scored eight points with five assists and six rebounds. Kampman had six points and five caroms for the Eagles, who, with the win, break the school record for season wins, with their 30th, and run their win streak to 26 games.
Anelauskas led Bowdoin with 18 points, with Flaherty adding 15.
The Eagles will face DePauw University of Indiana in a national semifinal in Springfield, Massachussetts on Friday at either 4 pm or 6 pm.
Is there any news on bruen's illness?
is anyone else from the CAC doing the pick'em contest? I don't think many other people would have picked UMW over Scranton and Bowdoin besides eagle fans.
CONGRATS EAGLES!! See you in Springfield! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Eaglescout on March 11, 2007, 09:09:52 AM
Is there any news on bruen's illness?
At the Celebration Meal Friday night Bruen and her meal did not agree for hours after the fact!
Depauw looks like they can shoot really well from the outside. It is interesting that Depauw has scored exactly 74 points every game this tournament. Mary Washington has only let one team score over seventy points this entire season and that was the exciting overtime game to bridgewater. I think the eagles' defense will stifle any kind of threat coming from depauw.
hope bruen is fully recovered for friday's game.
Good luck eagles!!!
Congrats to:
Bruen and Hickey for making the Women's All-Atlantic Region First Team!
Player of the Year: Hickey
Coach of the Year: Applebury
GO UMW!
Copied from the ODAC board
Quote from: hoopstermom on March 13, 2007, 06:57:11 PM
Molly Ariail of RMC and Erin Hanson of Roanoke both make 1st team All-State on DII-DIII women's basketball team picked by the Richmond Times Dispatch.
Lindsay Riesbeck of RMC and Katy Herr-Lovell of Bridgwater were named to the 2nd team.
Congratulations ODAC players!!!
FYI - other 1st team players named were Debbie Bruen and Liz Hickey from Mary Washington - our VA final four connection, and Sarah Helton from UVA-Wise
Congratulations to Debbie & Liz :)
Bbald Eagle, Balder Eagle, and other regulars here...
Hope you'll find a way to stop by our broadcast booth, if you'll be there, and say howdy...
To all others coming. Have a safe trip!
Congrats to UMW Player Debbie Bruen on bieng named to the NCAA Division III Kodak/WBCA All-America Team.
http://www.wbca.org/releases/KAATDIII2007.html (http://www.wbca.org/releases/KAATDIII2007.html)
Congrats also to UMW Coach Applebury on bieng named the Russell Athletic/WBCA National NCAA Division III Coach of the Year.
http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIICOY2007.html (http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIICOY2007.html)
that was an amazing season ;D congrats to the eagles finishing so well in the tournament.
Bruen's presence will be missed on the court next year...thanks for the four years of exciting basketball
UMW Eagles you have made your school, not to mention your fans, very proud (and happy), congrats on your fabulous season. 31-3 WOW!! The most wins in the nation!
Debbie Bruen you will be remembered for years to come.
I tip my hat to the finest group of young ladies I have ever met.
Coach Applebury keep moving forward!
My congratulations too to the UMW Eagles! What a season!
Special congratulations to Debbie Bruen on her All American and NCAA final four all-tournament honors (what a way to end a great career), to Liz Hickey on her All American honors, and Coach Applebury for being Russell Coach of the Year.
Congratulations too to Stephanie Saint-Aubin of St. Mary's for being named to Women's DIII News' All-Freshman Team.
Quote from: bbald eagle on January 02, 2006, 12:55:46 PM
The front page article on the "nomination of the top shot blocker in Division III history, Cori Carson, who recorded 485 blocks at Upsala and Marymount" caught my eye. A prediction: if she stays healthy, soph Liz Hickey of UMW will own the record when she graduates. She blocked 104 as a freshman, and has 46 in nine games as a sophomore. ;D
Liz Hickey shot blocking update through the end of 06-07, her junior season at Mary Washington:
Frosh: 104
Soph: 140
Junior: 132
Total: 376
Needed next season to tie D3 career record: 109
According to the school's President, the NCAA is investigating a complaint about a grade change for a student athlete at Gallaudet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050202453.html
The article does not identify the sport the athlete played.
St. Mary's is advertising for a new head women's basketball coach:
http://www.smcm.edu/services/personnel/employ_list.cfm?type=admin
Any idea why Hambrose was let go? Didn't seem like this year was a low point by any stretch.
Sorry, but I don't know why she was let go. Maybe there is someone out there with a tie to St. Mary's who could give insight?
The new coach at St. Mary's is Barb Bausch, former coach at Vassar and Guilford
http://www.smcm.edu/athletics/women's_basketball/coaches.cfm
Quick departure from Vassar ...
More coaching movement in the CAC.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=1435
Wow. Salisbury will miss Coach Benshetler, for sure.
The 06-07 records of the two teams that have now left the CAC were:
Catholic 15-11, 7-7
Goucher 4-20, 2-12
The 06-07 records of the three teams now joining the CAC, and their records against teams that were in the CAC last season, were:
Hood 5-18, 1-5
Villa Julie 19-10, 1-2
Wesley 7-18, 0-2
All of the Goucher, Hood, and Villa Julie 06-07 victories against CAC teams came at the expense of Gallaudet, which was winless in the CAC.
Catholic and Goucher earned seedings in the bottom half of the league tournament last year. Based solely on the records last season of the new teams in the CAC, I wouldn't expect the new teams to threaten the pecking order in the top half of the league.
bbald,
Looks like much of a muchness to me, or maybe just a swap off ;D
Most curious how the CAC will evolve in 07/08, Marymount came on strong with young talent at the end of 06/07
Marymount always comes on strong.
Ya,
With Bruen moving off the court I suspect that Hickey will get leaned on more this coming season, Liz can be a brute when she has the mindset - time will tell.
Quote from: Balder Eagle on July 11, 2007, 03:11:31 PM
Most curious how the CAC will evolve in 07/08 ...
Lot of new coaches in this league: Gallaudet, St. Mary's, Salisbury, Hood.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2007, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Balder Eagle on July 11, 2007, 03:11:31 PM
Most curious how the CAC will evolve in 07/08 ...
Lot of new coaches in this league: Gallaudet.............
Are you referring to Kylan Loney who coached last year or has Gallaudet replaced her?
She left.
I'm surprised and sorry to hear that. She did a good job last season, I thought - despite the team's record.
I am surprised as well, she had the women playing with spirit.
If you google her name and Gallaudet you might find a very interesting message board post discussing her departure. But, not knowing the source, I'm not overly interested in quoting it personally and lending it any type of credibility. :)
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 12, 2007, 01:21:17 PM
If you google her name and Gallaudet you might find a very interesting message board post discussing her departure. But, not knowing the source, I'm not overly interested in quoting it personally and lending it any type of credibility. :)
Thanks Pat, I did that - most interesting. :o
bisonpride,
Are you lurking out there? From the March date on the blog I found, I gather Coach Loney's departure is old news on campus. Can you give any accurate details? Does this have deeper implications for women's basketball at Gallaudet?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2007, 09:42:19 PM
Lot of new coaches in this league: ... Hood.
Hood's announcement on its website of Tracey Kelley-Franklin's resignation is dated July 16, days AFTER Pat's posting! Nice job, Pat.
http://www.hood.edu/athletics/news.cfm?featureID=2092
Interesting. :)
I won't deny the demands of motherhood. But I am positive that her new job pays much, much better.
bbald eagle,
You have been silent, I assume this means there is no new movement within the CAC.
balder,
A 5 day gap in posting is silence in the middle of July? :D
When I have nothing to say, usually that's what I say.
"Good morning good morning/... Nothing to say but what a day"
Quote from: bbald eagle on July 23, 2007, 10:46:20 AM
"Good morning good morning/... Nothing to say but what a day"
Well, OK then ::)
Gallaudet Gets 2-Year Probation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080301957.html
"Gallaudet University athletics are on probation for the next two years, according to school officials, because of an ineligible student-athlete who competed in the 2005-06 volleyball season."
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"The new provost, Stephen Weiner, will follow up with a two-year review of all sports at Gallaudet. Gallaudet teams will continue to play in conference games."
The new Salisbury coach:
"Charisse Mapp will become the ninth women's basketball head coach in the 52-year history of the program. Mapp, 42, comes to Salisbury after serving as an assistant coach at Princeton University last season."
http://www.salisbury.edu/athletics/womensbasketball/default.asp
And the new Hood coach:
"Jay Butler, whose experience includes head coaching stints at Columbia University, St. Mary's College of Maryland and Brown University, takes over for Tracey Kelley-Franklin, who resigned her position in July to take a position at Gov. Thomas Johnson High School in Frederick."
http://www.hood.edu/athletics/news.cfm?featureID=2097
Two Ivies.
That makes for a really unusual career path for Butler. Wonder what that's about.
Beats me, but his career path apparently took him out of coaching and into ministry to coaches, according to Hood's release -
"Since 2005, Butler has served as the coaches ministry director for the Fellowship of Christian Athletes in Ruston, La., during which time he has ministered to coaches and led bible study groups for various colleges, high schools and junior high schools in five parishes (counties) across the region."
Gallaudet Athletics launched new website with new look, interactives features and on..
Click on.. http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/
Many thanks to the Presto Sports and Viable, Inc. for make it possible.
Michael Weinstock appointed Interim Athletic Director
Michael Weinstock has been appointed interim athletic director for Gallaudet's Athletic and Intramural Programs. Weinstock has been the coordinator of Athletics, P.E., Recreation, and Intramural Programs for approximately the past 11 years at the Model Secondary School for the Deaf (MSSD). Prior to that position he was the assistant athletic director/intramurals coordinator at MSSD for 12 years. Weinstock is a 1976 graduate of MSSD and a 1981 alumnus of Gallaudet, where he lettered in basketball for four years. He went on to earn his master's degree from Gallaudet in 1994.
During his time at MSSD, Weinstock was very active in the "M" Booster Club and helped increase donations, sponsorships, and support for the organization. In 2000, he founded the Clerc Classic boys and girls basketball and cheerleading tournament, which had top teams from the nation's deaf schools competing for the national title. He has coached a number of middle school, high school, and college-level sports teams for the past 26 years. Under his tenure as coach, the girls' and boys' basketball teams won numerous National Deaf Prep championships --16 of them while he was athletic director. He coached the girls' softball team, which also earned special national recognition. Silent News honored Weinstock as Coach of the Year in boys basketball, girls basketball, football, and girls softball. In 1997 he coached the U.S.A. women's basketball team, which won a gold medal at the Deaf World Games in Denmark. He was also the director of the U.S.A. Team Development at the Deaf Olympic Games in Italy in 2001. Weinstock has stated that one of his proudest moments was being selected as Coach of the Month by ESPN.com in 2000. Coaching has been a big part of Weinstock's professional career and he is also pleased that a number of staff who worked for him throughout the years have become athletic directors at deaf schools across the nation.
Weinstock looks forward to working with the Gallaudet community and will be committed to ensuring the integrity of all athletic programming and in bringing them to a higher level of standards, competitiveness, and recognition. One of his main priorities will be to focus on academic issues for student-athletes and to foster increased collaborative efforts between all athletic programs and faculty.
Link - http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/sports/generalnews/2007-08/08092007_MWAnnouncedIAD
Welcome back bisonpride;
any news concerning the circumstances of the Coach's departure and any prospects for her replacement?
Kevin Cook is the new Gallaudet coach
http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/20070912_KevinCookAnnouncement
"Kevin Cook comes to Gallaudet after ten years as an assistant coach with the WNBA Houston Comets."
He "had a small role in the movie Cottonmouth."
Quote from: bbald eagle on September 13, 2007, 09:28:44 AM
Kevin Cook is the new Gallaudet coach
http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/20070912_KevinCookAnnouncement
"Kevin Cook comes to Gallaudet after ten years as an assistant coach with the WNBA Houston Comets."
He "had a small role in the movie Cottonmouth."
Gee bbald you are a definite source of breaking D3 CAC WB sports information. Keep up the vigilant work. :-*
Does anyone else think it's now or never for York with Kristen Daly in her senior year (and Keli Ward a junior)?
York will be tested right out of the gate with Ferrum, who were just picked to win
the USA South Athletic Conference that includes the CNU Captains. Ferrum will be
looking to make a point, having been denied thier ticket to the NCAA first round
so decisively.
Ferrum graduated several starters from last year when it won the regular season in its league. York's Daly, a senior now, and Ward were York's best last year and it''s now or never for Daly. The game will be on a neutral court - though Ferrum was unbeaten at home last year (10-0) it struggled away from home (11-7) and in non-conference games (9-5). It should be a good early matchup to hint at whether York will be moving up from the middle of the CAC or whether Ferrum may drop from the top rung of the USA South.
Capital Crusaders have an interesting page up.
http://www.capital.edu/15898/
Women's DIII News Preseason Top 25 2007-2008
Ranking Capital U #1 in the nation when it didn't win its league or make the NCAA tournament last year is a stretch that greatly undercuts the validity of those Women's DIII News rankings, in my opinion. ::) If I recall correctly Women's DIII News is a one man show.
Perhaps the truest thing said in the Women's DIII News press release on Capital's website is: "Maintaining any ranking will be a challenge for the Crusaders."
Absolutely correct bbald. Ranking Capital as no. 1 is "crazy talk" as some would say.
I'm reminded of the famous movie quote" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
Maybe they(he) mixed up the Capital ranking with Mary Wash? HeeHeee ;D
Anyways, I'm looking forward to another great season for the Mary Wash ladies. Does
D3Hoops produce a pre-season Ranking?
D3 Hoops will do a preseason ranking. So will the WBCA/ESPN. Most of the discussion on Posting Up will be on the Top 25 board which is under Multi-Regional Topics for women's basketball.
Sarah Flanagan, who started for Mary Washington last season until she injured her knee, isn't playing this year. The team continued to do well after her injury and there are a lot of real quality players returning, but she still will be missed as will Bruen who graduated.
Mary Washington is #8 in the preseason USA TODAY ESPN DIVISION III TOP 25 COACHES' POLL, the only one of last year's Final Four teams that isn't now in the top 4. No other CAC team got any votes.
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp
UMW #1 in D3Hoops preseason poll, the only one of last year's Final Four teams that is now in the top 4. This could prove very interesting.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 02, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
UMW #1 in D3Hoops preseason poll, the only one of last year's Final Four teams that is now in the top 4. This could prove very interesting.
Yes it will be most interesting, UMW has worked for the ranking the past four years. This is now a new era with a team that is returning all it's players, minus Bruen, that played in The Final Four. UMW will also miss Flannigan's presence on the court. Go Eagles....
Ahh, my good old Bald Eagles... Good to be back.
Congrats ladies on the #1 ranking, the first ever for any sport in Mary Washington history. Earn it with your play.
Really? Doesn't UMW have some walnut and bronze to its credit in some sport?
My preseason picks
1. UMW
2. Marymount
3. York
4. Salisbury
5-8. A jumble of the 3 newbies to the CAC plus St. Mary's
9. Gallaudet
Three new teams, and three other schools with new coaches.
flip flop York and Marymount, York will win a tie-breaker beating UMW once :o
York beat Mary Washington once early last year, I don't see Deena letting that happen again. I thought last year York should have jumped over Marymount but it didn't so I don't think it will this year. Coach Finney seems to dominate York pretty good so I go with Marymount for second.
bbald -
last year you predicted York ahead of Marymount -- just what has changed that caused you to switch gears? ???
Balder
With Daly and Ward, York should have gotten over the hump last year and beat Marymount. They didn't. Marymount had some good freshmen last year who should be better this year so York will have a harder time beating them this year. So I go with Marymount for second in the CAC this season. Why do you choose York over Marymount?
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 06:13:47 PM
Really? Doesn't UMW have some walnut and bronze to its credit in some sport?
We do have two NCAA titles in women's tennis, but neither were seeded first, and there were no in-season polls for tennis back then. So it is the first time we've been ranked first in any poll, but we have finished first before.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 05, 2007, 03:58:42 PM
York beat Mary Washington once early last year, I don't see Deena letting that happen again. I thought last year York should have jumped over Marymount but it didn't so I don't think it will this year. Coach Finney seems to dominate York pretty good so I go with Marymount for second.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 06, 2007, 10:20:07 AM
Balder
With Daly and Ward, York should have gotten over the hump last year and beat Marymount. They didn't. Marymount had some good freshmen last year who should be better this year so York will have a harder time beating them this year. So I go with Marymount for second in the CAC this season. Why do you choose York over Marymount?
After losing 3 times to Marymount last year, being less intimidated this season and with a more mature team, York will set things right. When on they execute better than Marymount. Keli Ward ended last season recovering from an injury.
I am almost as partial to ycp as I am mwcsid :)
York:
"The expectations for this year's edition of the Spartans are simple. Earn the school's first women's basketball Capital Athletic Conference championship and make their first NCAA Tournament appearance in the history of the program. Simple goals to state, difficult to accomplish. 'I believe this team is the deepest and most complete that I have had in my tenure at York,' states Witman."
http://www.ycpspartans.com/sports/wbkb/2007-08/news/wbb_07_08_preview
Marymount:
"Last year Marymount lost the conference championship to the team that eventually finished #3 in the nation. That left the Saints feeling unsatisfied."
http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/wbball/outlook.html
Congrats to Liz Hickey on bieng named to the Third Team D3Hoops 2008 Women's Preseason All-American.
Game On :)
For Eagles, only one goal really matters
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/112007/11162007/333900
UMW 74, Ursinus 46
Hickey 11 and 11, 3 blocks
Kampman 13 and 7
Mitchell 10
UMW shot 48% from the floor and held Ursinus to 28%
UMW 75, Va Wesleyan 51
Larson, Mitchell Lead #1 UMW Women's Basketball Past Va. Wesleyan
Tournament Most Valuable Player Katy Larson scored a career-high 21 points, and all-tournament team selection Ashton Mitchell added a career-high 19 to lead the top-ranked University of Mary Washington women's basketball team to a 75-51 win at Virginia Wesleyan College in the championship of the Cox Communications Tip-Off Tournament on Saturday. The Eagles improve to 2-0 on the season.
Larson, a junior guard, made 6-7 field goals, including both of her three point attempts, and made seven of nine free throws in 29 minutes. Mitchell made 8-17 shots for her 19 points. Senior forward Lisa Tracy was the third Eagle in double figures with 14 points.
Senior center Liz Hickey had eight points, 11 rebounds, and two blocked shots before fouling out, and senior forward Leigh Kampman added seven points and eight boards.
UMW jumped out to a 20-5 lead thanks to a 12-1 run early on, and held the Marlins at arm's length from then on.
The Eagles will visit Washington & Lee University on Tuesday at 7:00 p.m.
UMW has a well balanced team, is there any lady they cannot go to?
I am most curious who posted the score on the D3hoops scoreboard as "Mary Washington 75 Virginia Wesleyan 71 Final "
Maybe an ODAC saboteur? :D
UMW is at Washington & Lee tonight. W&L is 0-2, losing in OT last weekend to last year's next to last team in the CAC - Goucher - so it probably will be a mismatch.
In a battle of unbeaten squads, York hosts Lycoming tonight.
Live stats are available at:
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Spartans lead Lycoming 38-29 at the half.
Kristen Daly leads a balanced York attack with 10 points. Amanda Andrews has 8 pts and six boards while April Sparkman has 7 pts and 3 rebounds.
Adding that link to our scoreboard through Presto will enable everyone who visits the scoreboard page to see it, not just the handful who stop by this message board early on a Monday evening.
Final from York, Spartans 74-50.
Thanks for the heads up Pat. I will include that on Wednesday.
Marymount's now in the "Others receiving votes" part of the top 25 poll. It'd be nice to see two CAC teams in the top 25.
The UMW home opener tonight against Salisbury unveils the CAC and NCAA Final Four banner.
Will there be live stats, mwcsid?
Halftime:
UMW 51, Salisbury 24
Mitchell 13, Hickey 10 for UMW
Eagles 21-32 from the floor in the first half.
Sorry, no live stats for home games (we want you to fight traffic and get down here and see the sweet new scoreboards ;D)
Final was UMW 97, Salisbury 54. Mitchell is developing into a very good player, so happy because she worked very hard in the offseason again this year. She had 21, 8-9 from the floor, and made a three, she's now 2-2 on threes this year. Hickey had 15, Larson 13, Kampman 12, Tracy 11.
Eagles had just 11 turnovers, and was 22-27 from the free throw line, liked to see those numbers.
Quote from: mwcsid on November 29, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
Sorry, no live stats for home games (we want you to fight traffic and get down here and see the sweet new scoreboards ;D)
UMW, No. 1 and no live stats >:(
Coach Applebury going for her 100th win on Saturday at Hood. And Liz Hickey in striking distance of her 400th block in that game too. Did I do the numbers right?
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 29, 2007, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: mwcsid on November 29, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
Sorry, no live stats for home games (we want you to fight traffic and get down here and see the sweet new scoreboards ;D)
UMW, No. 1 and no live stats >:(
Forget the live stats, streamline audio :)
Good to see Mitchell coming into her own.
UMW No. 1 and their biggest fans (on here) don't go to the games in person? ;)
Unlike most schools in the CAC, UMW prefers to do all web operations, including the athletic website and its features in-house. I have purchased the software, it's just that the teckies haven't been able to make it work.
Contact our school webmaster and ask why we don't have live stats. That might make something happen.
Otherwise, enjoy listening to the two road games next week online at York and Catholic. Or enjoy last night's womens and mens games on Comcast Channel 3 in the Fredericksburg area for the next week.
Quote from: mwcsid on November 29, 2007, 05:29:35 PM
UMW No. 1 and their biggest fans (on here) don't go to the games in person? ;)
Unlike most schools in the CAC, UMW prefers to do all web operations, including the athletic website and its features in-house. I have purchased the software, it's just that the teckies haven't been able to make it work.
Contact our school webmaster and ask why we don't have live stats. That might make something happen.
Otherwise, enjoy listening to the two road games next week online at York and Catholic. Or enjoy last night's womens and mens games on Comcast Channel 3 in the Fredericksburg area for the next week.
Thanks for the heads up mwcsid :)
Perhaps http://www.d3hoops.com/audio may be enticed ;D
:o
They replayed the games last night on tv, it was fun watching just to watch instead of "working" the games. ;D
UMW 63, Hood 18
Eagles capture career win #100 for Coach Applebury, and Liz Hickey gets career blocked shot #400. Coach is now 100-25 at UMW (and overall).
Much congratulations to Coach Deena and to Liz :)
Congrats to Deena and Liz :)
*Mary Washington will visit York College on Wednesday at 6 p.m., with the game audio live on the Eagles' website
Quote from: Balder Eagle on December 01, 2007, 09:51:25 PM
*Mary Washington will visit York College on Wednesday at 6 p.m., with the game audio live on the Eagles' website
York's the site of UMW's only regular season CAC loss in the last two seasons
Quote from: mwcsid on November 29, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
Sorry, no live stats for home games (we want you to fight traffic and get down here and see the sweet new scoreboards ;D)
Just catching up to this. Does this mean you now actually have FOULS on the scoreboard??
Yeah, man, you wouldn't recognize the place. Team fouls, timeouts left... Crazy.
;D
The scoreboards are a HUGE improvement; and mwcsid's back on the air broadcasting away games unlike last year. Congrats to Liz for crossing the 1,000 point mark last night at York.
Broadcast at 6 tonight from DuFour Center.
Nice piece in the Richmond Times-Dispatch on Ashton Mitchell today.
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/sports.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-12-07-0003.html
UMW 82, Catholic 61
Lisa Tracy had 19 points, Hickey and Larson 16 apiece for the Eagles, who made 8-15 threes in the game.
Catholic has a good young squad, good freshman group, and Linderoth seems to be fully healed from her ACL that kept her out of most of last year. She had 24 for the Cards.
Quote from: Balder Eagle on November 06, 2007, 04:43:39 PM
After losing 3 times to Marymount last year, being less intimidated this season and with a more mature team, York will set things right. When on they execute better than Marymount. Keli Ward ended last season recovering from an injury.
Balder
That more mature York team lost to Salisbury 66-62 and is 2-2 in the CAC. Nothing to be ashamed of that they lost to UMW but if they are going to meet your prediction they'll be #2 in the CAC, they better get it together before they meet up with Marymount and St. Mary's (which beat Salisbury by 6 at Salisbury).
OK bbald, I surrender to your wisdom and insight :P
I will be paying attention to UMW vs. University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, 12/30/2007 -- will this game be streamlined?
OK bbald this post is for you -- enjoy :)
:D ::)
Jess Shifflett, who transferred from UMW to Randolph Macon a couple of years back, is averaging more than 29 minutes per game and more than 11 ppg. :) RMC's #14 in the D3Hoops poll.
and Carolyn Riley who transferred from Marymount to Eastern Mennonite before last season is averaging 31 minutes and 17.5 points at EMU
from California...
UMW 71, Concordia Wisc. 62
#1 Eagles shook off the rust from 21 days without a game to win by nine. No further details yet... #5 UW Whitewater tomorrow at 7 pm Eastern time.
Halftime score
UW-Whitewater 35
Mary Washington 22
We sprung for the $8 to watch this thing on "Stretch Internet."
Unfortunately, no audio in any fashion to go along with video (technical issues...you'd think they'd tell you before you purchase).
Best observations I can make...
The UW-Whitewater players have long arms and that's caused disruption for Mary Washington in it's offense...having tough time both passing, shooting over the top of the defense. Whitewater has led whole way, and (I'm guessing here) I think the point guard (Hendrickson) is having a nice game. Little hard to tell though.
Final
UW-Whitewater 70
Mary Washington 67
A really INSANE ending to this game.
Mary Washington was way behind...as much as 20 down in 2nd half, and to be honest, it was dominance from UW-Whitewater
But then, about 730 left, things took a major change...
Mary Washington started hitting some shots (including a couple 3's), and UW-Whitewater got a little tight.
I wasn't totally keeping notes, but I believe there was stretch in last 90 seconds in which UW-Whitewater was 2-8 on FT and Mary Washington made a couple 3's in a row, including one to tie game with 23 seconds left. Lack of audio and blurry video when blown up to reasonable size made it hard to tell who hit it.
UW-Whitewater got ball to point guard, Hendrickson, I believe, and Mary Washington tried to trap, ended up fouling her as she ducked through it. She made 1 of 2 FT.
Mary Washington got a look at a winning shot, but missed...UW-Whitewater made 2 FT with less than second left to account for final score.
Hopefully both schools will provide a thorough recap. Crazy game.
All we had was the poor video as well, but...
Four Eagles fouled out during the run. Amazing job by the Eagles to come back from that big a deficit in that short a time.
Tracy 16, Clarkin 14 (several HUGE shots in the run), Kampman and Mitchell 12, Hickey 11. Eagles caused 26 turnovers and had 18 assists, but were outrebounded 39-29, but that may have been a result of Kampman and Hickey fouling out and being in foul trouble.
Guess the monkey of being #1 and undefeated is off the ladies' backs now. Time to start a new streak, hopefully this'll help our hunger to get back.
Christopher Newport posted some short video clips from the UMW/CNU game yesterday & some photos too.
Use this link to the game story, then scroll down to the bottom of the page for the links to the video clips and photos
http://www.cnusports.com/News/wbball/2008/1/4/wb010408.asp
The University of Mary Washington will be dedicating both the men's and women's basketball games on January 19th vs. Wesley College to Erin Peterson, who was one of 32 Virginia Tech students killed in April, 2007. All donations raised during that game will go to the Erin Peterson Fund.
More info at
http://www.umw.edu/athletics/sports/basketballwomen/?a=738
bbald - You keep this up, I'm putting you on the payroll!
Good stuff.
CNU's live stats are very cool, I'm talking to them to see how much and who they use. Of course, they have three SIDs, ha ha. ;)
York almost blows a 19-point second half lead at St. Mary's but hangs on to win 69-63.
Kristen Daly had 19 points, six boards, four assists, two blocks and two steals. Freshman April Sparkman records a pair of career highs with 18 points and 12 rebounds. Amanda Andrews is the third Spartan in double figures with 13 points.
Stephanie Saint-Aubin led SMC with 19 points and 10 rebounds while Tiara Hurte also had a double-double with 13 points and 10 rebounds. Megan Uglik chipped in with 17 points for the Seahawks.
York has won four straight and improves to 3-2 in the CAC.
Mary Washington at Marymount next Wednesday ;D
Marymount might just be a true barometer as to how The Eagles will fare in the CAC.
The barometer has been set at Marymount
UMW 68 - Marymount 56
Go Eagles
York gets a 65-47 win at Wesley on Wednesday. The win is the sixth straight for York.
Amanda Andrews led the Spartans with 22 points, one off her career high. She was 8-for-11 from the floor including tying her career-high with five three pointers in seven attempts. Andrews also had four rebounds and one assist in the win. Keli Ward contributed 14 points, six rebounds, and six assists in her 34 minutes of action. Kristen Daly recorded a double-double with 11 points and 14 rebounds. Daly also had five assists and a steal in her 29 minutes of work. Freshman April Sparkman was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points while she also had nine rebounds.
Wesley was paced by Colleen Thomas as she tallied 11 points on 4-of-11 shooting from the floor including a trio of treys. Angie Owens was the other Wolverine in double figures with 10 points. Owens added six rebounds to the Wesley cause. Herbie Rayne led the Wolverines on the glass as she pulled in eight caroms in 19 minutes of play.
York hosts Gallaudet on Saturday at 4. The 12-3 start for York is the best start under head coach Betsy Witman.
Nice win for Mary Washington over Marymount :D
Marymount's soph Kathleen Brown is for real.
Photos of last night's game:
http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2014
Anybody else notice that the Mary Washington women have been getting a vote in the Washington Post's poll ranking the DC area men's teams?
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/01/local_hoops_poll_week_nine_520.html
That's cool until you realize they're tied with Brett Favre. :-\
Pikachu can rain the threes.
:D
Hey, Favre's having a great season too! ;D
The CAC website's got a listing of CAC record holders
http://www.cacsports.com/information/recordbook/CAC_WBASK_records.pdf
Live stats for tonight's big Marymount-York Contest.
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
thanks. looks interesting. Marymount by 4 at the half.
UMW's Liz Hickey is now about 30 blocks shy of the NCAA career record for blocks :)
About eh, is that 28, 29 or 31? :P
Final from St. Mary's...
St. Mary's 78 - Salisbury 66
it looks like the coaching change has benefitted St. Mary's, true? I'm not sure the same can be said at Salisbury though, can it?
That the coaching change might not have benefitted Salisbury is absolutely clear. This may be SU's worst start ever. The only returning all conference player and co-captain from last year's team, Megan Phillips, left the team after being relegated to the bench and having it made clear that she didn't fit in the new coach's core of players. This would be easier to understand if she weren't an outstanding student academically, a dedicated player who worked hard all year at keeping herself in shape, and a kid who never got in trouble for anything. Ask any of the other CAC coachs and I'm pretty sure they will tell you that Phillips was a very good player and they wondered why she wasn't playing. Not that one player leaving changes the whole team but rather it is indicative of this new coach's style -- and may give some insight into why she can't get more victories with some very talented players.
SU didn't look as strong or well coached to me this year but I figured maybe it was first year coachitis or something like that. Ther record looks like a step backwards. Philips was a good player and I thought Benshetler was a good coach.
Speaking of Salisbury, Congratulations to Amy Campion for making D3Hoops' All Decade Team -- Honorable Mention.
The other CAC alum , Ronda Jo Miller of Gallaudet, made First Team. Very impressive.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 04, 2008, 03:24:23 PM
SU didn't look as strong or well coached to me this year but I figured maybe it was first year coachitis or something like that. Ther record looks like a step backwards. Philips was a good player and I thought Benshetler was a good coach.
Yes, Coach Benshetler was an outstanding Coach and won't be easy to replace.
A Washington Post story today on Marymount's Bill Finney as he goes for his 500th career win tonight:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/05/AR2008020502884.html
And congratulations to MMT on entering the D3Hoops' top 25.
Tip of the hat To Coach Finney, he always makes D3 interesting
Live stats for tonight's YCP/SAL game
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
three cheers and hearty congratulations to Marymount's coach Bill Finney for victory number 500 last night
"SU didn't look as strong or well coached to me this year but I figured maybe it was first year coachitis or something like that. Ther record looks like a step backwards. Philips was a good player and I thought Benshetler was a good coach"
Locker room ammunition! :o
York fell to Sailsbury last evening 58-55.
Congrats to Bill Finney, he's quite a coach and that's an impressive milestone.
If i got the numbers right, 17 more blocks and UMW's Liz Hickey ties the D3 NCAA career record. :) She may end up with more blocks than Bill Finney has wins! :D Go Liz!
and, mama and cac fan, nice to see some Salisbury fans here too! ;) welcome
Thanks bbald!
I hope your calculations are correct because they are the same as mine. Liz is on track to put a real lock on the DIII record. What a great kid and a role model to us all.
Last Saturday Liz, Lisa Tracey and Katy Larson gave up the ponytails for Locks for Love. A great group of young women at UMW.
Never assume, bbald ;)
hey, maybe I had you wrong - you sound more like an Eagle than a Sea Gull ;) Either way, welcome mamadukes
Wednesday night's Capital Athletic Conference double featuring the University of Mary Washington at St. Mary's College will feature live audio starting at 6:00 p.m. with the women's game, with the men to follow at 8:00 p.m.
The Eagle women are looking to remain unbeaten in CAC play, while the men will look to strengthen its grip on the second seed for the upcoming CAC Tournament.
http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=umw&o=cal_stamp
Upset from St. Mary's tonight...
St. Mary's (Md.) 57
#4 Mary Washington 53
Ouch!
Grats to St. Mary's. Tough loss for the Eagles. Move on to the next one ladies!
kudos to St. Mary's. The winner of Saturday's game at UMW against Marymount now gets undisputed first place in the CAC.
Did any of you see that MW-St.M game? What was St.M able to do that few others could do against MW? Or was it that St.M had a great game and MW had a less than great game?
Either way, hats off to St.M!
Shouldn't win many games with 20 turnovers and numbers like these:
FG% 28.4%
3-Pt. FG% 12.5%
FT% 56.3%
UMW's loss definately sets the tone for a big game vs Marymount - in Fredericksburg - 2:00 p.m. Saturday
No doubt the game at St. Mary's was a misstep for UMW. I wouldn't count them out. The game will be a big one for both teams and both will come out with their best games on. It will be one to see. Always a good game but the CAC regular season championship is, arguably, on the line.
"Around The Nation" says the player to watch is Kathleen Brown, an incredibly talented player. Lest we forget UMW senior Liz Hickey is just a handful of blocks away from setting a new Division III career record.
Six to tie, seven to break. Averaging 4.7/game. Season high- 9 vs. Salisbury on 1/26. Twice with 7.
Have I got it right, mwcsid or the "eagle twins", bald & balder?
bbald... this one's for you my friend!
The University of Mary Washington's home basketball doubleheader against Marymount University on Saturday will feature live statistics viewable over the Internet starting at 2:00 p.m. for the women's game and 4:00 p.m. for the men's.
http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/
FINALLY!!!
We'll have live stats for whatever remaining home games we have for hoops, and hopefully have spring sport live stats soon as well.
I, for one, am grateful mwcsid
Thanks :)
Quote from: mamadukes on February 14, 2008, 10:39:39 PM
Have I got it right, mwcsid or the "eagle twins", bald & balder?
I think bbald is the backup stat person :o :o
Thanks mwcsid! I know it has been a struggle to get that Livestats in place. BTW-nice job on the new programs this year and as always the media guides are fabulous.
It's going to be a great weekend!
Live Stats Link for Saturday's York - Wesley game
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Senior Day ceremonies precede the game as Kristen Daly and Gina Casadei will be honored for their contributions to the Spartan program.
Key game for the Spartans as they look to get back into a home court first round game after losing three straight.
Hmm... no comments on the crushing defeat UMW handed to MMT?
I think a message was sent by UMW!
Great atmosphere for UMW's senior day. Colorful fans and mascots, balloons and a full house! The place was rockin! The Eagles played a solid first half and Kaitie Clarkin put the "cherry on top" with another of her stunning half court shots. Frankly, I thought the roof might come off the place :o
MMU played a tough game but the Eagles weren't going to let their Seniors be denied a victory!
You guys need to listen to your Mamma, I said it would be a great weekend ;)
Yep, UMW dominated from tip to final buzzer. UMW's locked the #1 seed in the CAC, maybe not mathmatically, but realisticaly. Very nice senior day for the UMW men and women.
the loss to UMW knocked Marymount out of D3's top 25 but I bet MMT is back in there next week
The next few games may change things for the conference tournament, but I believe Galludet is out for sure.
With the records as they are, the tournament should line up:
Game 1: #8 Hood at #1 UMW
Game 2: #7 Villa Julie at #2 Marymount
Game 3: #6 Salisbury at #3 St. Mary's
Game 4: #5 Wesley at #4 York
Seems to be a logjam at 4, 5 & 6 so the final two games of regular season might change some things.
I'm looking for Salisbury to make some noise in their last two games and York to go out swinging.
Predictions? Projections?
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 19, 2008, 10:59:04 AM
the loss to UMW knocked Marymount out of D3's top 25 but I bet MMT is back in there next week
Personal opinion, I though that being ranked in the Top 25 was a bit high for MMT. And just because they win this week doesn't mean the voters are going to forget about how UMW cleaned the floor with the Saints.
you may be right. but Marymount's the first team out of the top 25 and well poised to return if those near the bottom of the top 25 lose this week.
Kudos to UMW's Liz Hickey, #1 career shot blocker :D
the outcome of next Saturday's CAC games is irrelevant to CAC postseason pairings. all slots are locked in already
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2007-08/news/08CACPairings
York 74-61 over Marymount. So much for the Saints climbing back into the Top 25.
You were right bbald! Do they stil have a chance with a Pool B bid? Per Pat's instructions, I am listening and reading and learning about the current A,B,C bid process.
Anyhow, today is the day Round #2 starts. Is it possible to watch a live game, and two others on LiveStats?
Predictions anyone?
Let the games begin!!
Quote from: mamadukes on February 26, 2008, 10:16:16 AM
Predictions anyone?
St. Mary's and Mary Wash play Saturday -- your prediction mama :o
Quote from: mamadukes on February 26, 2008, 10:16:16 AM
You were right bbald! Do they stil have a chance with a Pool B bid? Per Pat's instructions, I am listening and reading and learning about the current A,B,C bid process.
Anyhow, today is the day Round #2 starts. Is it possible to watch a live game, and two others on LiveStats?
Predictions anyone?
Let the games begin!!
No Pool B invites for anyone in CAC. Pool B is for teams not in a conference with an automatic bid & CAC has an auto. Pool C is the option for any CAC team that doesn't win the tournament. UMW is probably a lock for a Pool C bid if it doesn't win the tournament. I'd think regional rankings would give Marymount a good shot at one too if it doesn't win the tournament.
Quote from: Balder Eagle on February 26, 2008, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: mamadukes on February 26, 2008, 10:16:16 AM
Predictions anyone?
St. Mary's and Mary Wash play Saturday -- your prediction mama :o
balder - your picking St Mary over both Salisbury and Marymount to make the final? pretty bold. if your scenario happens, UMW by 30.
mama,
the real question is can one announce and keep stats at one game and watch live stats of two others. And be on the cel with the fourth game. We shall see!!!
http://www.umw.edu/athletics/?a=857 Game 1
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm Game 2
possibly bbald has insight on Game 3 ::) -- and a prediction as to who will play Saturday
http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/ Game 4
IF St. Mary's and UMW meet on Saturday???? Let's see what happens tonight. I do think that this tournament won't be a cakewalk for anybody. These girls have to be "on point" for each game. We've seen what taking a team lightly can do in the CAC.
I've been at this long enough to only speak to the game in front of us, but I do agree with Balder Eagle.
My bad on the Pool B. Pat would be disappointed, I didn't learn enough. Actually I forgot. Pool C is for everyone after A & B get picked.
And to answer your question, MWCSID. If anybody can do it.....you can ;D
Quote from: mwcsid on February 26, 2008, 10:45:30 AM
mama,
the real question is can one announce and keep stats at one game and watch live stats of two others. And be on the cel with the fourth game. We shall see!!!
while preparing to do the same for the men's game? a/k/a Clark Kent.
Quote from: Balder Eagle on February 26, 2008, 10:47:06 AM
possibly bbald has insight on Game 3 and a prediction as to who will play Saturday
Game 3 - St. Mary's wins. I go with the higher seed in all 4 first round games. Dull choices I guess.
Saturday - Marymount at Mary Washington. That means I have the higher seed win in every game in the tournament. There probably will be an upset but I don't see where. You have St Mary beating Marymount at Marymount, I guess. Marymount has lost a couple lately so maybe you are right but you usually brag on Bill Finney.
I'm still wrong! Pool B is for schools that don't get an automatic conference bid or who are independent. Pool C is for the A schools that don't win their tournament.
I think if Marymount loses early in the tournament, they are done. Do the latest regional rankings come out tomorrow?
Quote from: mamadukes on February 26, 2008, 11:03:44 AM
IF St. Mary's and UMW meet on Saturday???? Let's see what happens tonight. I do think that this tournament won't be a cakewalk for anybody. These girls have to be "on point" for each game. We've seen what taking a team lightly can do in the CAC.
I've been at this long enough to only speak to the game in front of us, but I do agree with Balder Eagle.
My bad on the Pool B. Pat would be disappointed, I didn't learn enough. Actually I forgot. Pool C is for everyone after A & B get picked.
And to answer your question, MWCSID. If anybody can do it.....you can ;D
That's ok -- no worries. Division III doesn't make it easy for fans to understand, to be sure. :)
Quote from: mwcsid on February 26, 2008, 10:45:30 AM
mama,
the real question is can one announce and keep stats at one game and watch live stats of two others. And be on the cel with the fourth game. We shall see!!!
We know you can do it mwcsid ;D
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2008, 11:04:22 AM
Game 3 - St. Mary's wins. I go with the higher seed in all 4 first round games. Dull choices I guess.
Saturday - Marymount at Mary Washington. That means I have the higher seed win in every game in the tournament. There probably will be an upset but I don't see where. You have St Mary beating Marymount at Marymount, I guess. Marymount has lost a couple lately so maybe you are right but you usually brag on Bill Finney.
In my humble opinion Coach Finney will, yet once again, get the most out of his Ladies on the court. He is prepared for the CAC Tournament.
The Saints will not arrive through UMW's Goolrick Gymnasium's front door at game time on Saturday with the Saint Bernard being thrown bones on the sidelines by an extremely colorful assembly of fans for a third year in a row.
Lets hope UMW is there :o
balder
Here you predict St. Mary's will play UMW in the CAC final on Saturday
Quote from: Balder Eagle on February 26, 2008, 10:26:21 AM
St. Mary's and Mary Wash play Saturday -- your prediction mama :o
Here you predict that Coach Finney will get the most out of his Marymount team but not make it to Goolrick on Saturday because, I guess, you predict (above) that St. Mary's will nevertheless beat them
Quote from: Balder Eagle on February 26, 2008, 12:09:28 PM
Coach Finney will, yet once again, get the most out of his Ladies on the court. He is prepared for the CAC Tournament. The Saints will not arrive through UMW's Goolrick Gymnasium's front door at game time on Saturday with the Saint Bernard being thrown bones on the sidelines by an extremely colorful assembly of fans for a third year in a row.
Do I read you right?
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2008, 11:04:22 AM
Game 3 - St. Mary's wins. I go with the higher seed in all 4 first round games. Dull choices I guess.
Saturday - Marymount at Mary Washington. That means I have the higher seed win in every game in the tournament. There probably will be an upset but I don't see where.
Yes bbald, you are reading correctly -- as I read you with the higher seeds winning right across the board and MMU playing Saturday against UMW at Goolrick Gymnasium for the third straight year, although you think there will probably be an upset ;D
Apparently nobody gives Salisbury a chance. I, however, would not count them out. They have two outstanding players (Merkel and Martin) and a handful of good ones. (If the new coach hadn't run off two of them, they would be much better.) They played Marymount very closely in their last game. True that St. Marys beat them twice -- but can they do it a third time? And if, SU can knock off St Mary's, they match up well against MMT. I do not see them victorious against Mary Wash -- but if they make it to that final game, that would have been two upsets. Just food for thought!!
Salisbury's come a long way since the season began but its hard to favor them on the road over a St. Mary's team that beat them by a couple of dozen earlier this month.
bad memory - the margin was only one dozen. sorry
Salisbury has come a long way, and I would love to see them win over St. Mary's.
However, I also hope that St. Mary's will be entering the door at UMW on Saturday.
I think the Eagles would like a little retribution.
Scratch that.... I know they would.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2008, 02:52:41 PM
bad memory - the margin was only one dozen. sorry
Remember bbald, you are anticipating an upset, but do not know where ;D
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2008, 11:04:22 AM
There probably will be an upset but I don't see where
anywhere but Goolrick will suit me just fine, balder :-*
Live stats for tonight's York-Wesley quarterfinal game.
http://faculty.ycp.edu/~sguise/wbb/xlive.htm
Quote from: cac fan on February 26, 2008, 02:39:21 PM
Apparently nobody gives Salisbury a chance. I, however, would not count them out. They have two outstanding players (Merkel and Martin) and a handful of good ones. (If the new coach hadn't run off two of them, they would be much better.) They played Marymount very closely in their last game. True that St. Marys beat them twice -- but can they do it a third time? And if, SU can knock off St Mary's, they match up well against MMT.
Good call cac fan. Salisbury 79-78 over St Mary's tonight.
No St. Mary's UMW matchup on Saturday, balder :'(
Enboldened with confidence from correctly predicting the SU upset win last night, I think MMT should be concerned. It is possible that SU is finally finding itself this season and might even give Mary Wash a run for the money. OK, maybe that's a little too bold ;D
I guess you all also saw that SU men got the huge upset win over top seeded York. For an SU fan, last night was great -- especially after a long awful season.
Continued good luck SeaGulls!!!!
The Salisbury men's win last night means that Goolrick will host two CAC championship games Saturday if UMW wins both its games tomorrow. That'd be a first, I bet.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2008, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: cac fan on February 26, 2008, 02:39:21 PM
Apparently nobody gives Salisbury a chance. I, however, would not count them out. They have two outstanding players (Merkel and Martin) and a handful of good ones. (If the new coach hadn't run off two of them, they would be much better.) They played Marymount very closely in their last game. True that St. Marys beat them twice -- but can they do it a third time? And if, SU can knock off St Mary's, they match up well against MMT.
Good call cac fan. Salisbury 79-78 over St Mary's tonight.
No St. Mary's UMW matchup on Saturday, balder :'(
Well, my humble prediction allows me to humbly predict that it will now be the UMW vs. Salisbury on Saturday. A CAC Championship rematch from 3 years ago. Congrats to Salisbury on eliminating my prediction ;D
bbald you now have your upset ::)
Stay tuned..........
Not true. The credit for the success of St. Mary's Women's Basketball Team goes to the team, as well as their former coach. It was their dedication and talent along with Hambrose's skill in recruiting and coaching that made St. Mary's who they are today. It had nothing to do with a new coach. Any one can step into that situation and look good. One could even coach blind folded and find success. Congratulations SMCM on a great season! You even managed to put the Eagles in their nest!
Marymount's dropped to 5th in the Atlantic Region.
Quote from: doubledribble2 on February 27, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
Not true. The credit for the success of St. Mary's Women's Basketball Team goes to the team, as well as their former coach. It was their dedication and talent along with Hambrose's skill in recruiting and coaching that made St. Mary's who they are today. It had nothing to do with a new coach. Any one can step into that situation and look good. One could even coach blind folded and find success. Congratulations SMCM on a great season! You even managed to put the Eagles in their nest!
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double dribbler-
what's not true?
Quote from: doubledribble2 on February 27, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
Not true. The credit for the success of St. Mary's Women's Basketball Team goes to the team, as well as their former coach. It was their dedication and talent along with Hambrose's skill in recruiting and coaching that made St. Mary's who they are today. It had nothing to do with a new coach. Any one can step into that situation and look good. One could even coach blind folded and find success. Congratulations SMCM on a great season! You even managed to put the Eagles in their nest!
doubledribble2, are you former coach Hambrose's mom? While no-one in the preceding posts said anything about what SMCM owes their current success to, a brief review of the past years' records indicates that the new coach took them a giant step forward. Conversely, Salisbury's record took a giant step backward this year with their new coach. A great coach can make a team great. Mary Wash and MMT are prime examples of that. I will agree with you on one thing though -- SMCM had a terrific season and the girls and their new coach deserve congratulations.
Anytime that a team gets a new coach, there is a period of adjustment. Convincing a team of the previous coach's recruits that your system will work, must be a daunting task.
From the records, it looks like the Salisbury coach has succeded.
Good luck to all the remaining teams. Of course, as an Eagles fan, I will cheer for them, but for all of you DIII players, good luck!
Nobody will ever convince me that any other athletes have bigger hearts or love of the game than a DIII athlete. No scholarships, very little press or local recognition, none of the bells and whistles that scholarshiped athletes get. Yet day after day they put it all out there and NEVER give up!
Hoods players last night are a prime example. They only dressed six players and all of them played their hearts out. With a little over a minute left, the second player fouled out, leaving four on the floor. They played hard for fourty minutes .
Gotta love it!
Go Eagles....Mama loves you all!
Live stats link for the two UMW games tonight:
http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw/
;D babald , you have your Saturday matchup :o
I dare not predict the outcome --
GO EAGLES
:)
Two CAC Championship Games at Goolrick on Saturday!
;D
Go Eagles!
York's Kristen Daly finished her fine career yesterday. Good effort by York but they were overmatched.
I'm betting Marymount gets to dance even with a loss tomorrow.
Game times for Saturday set at 2 p.m. for men, 4:30 p.m. for women.
D3hoopsNet will broadcast audio of both championship games.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Yippeee! ;D
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 29, 2008, 01:21:52 PM
Game times for Saturday set at 2 p.m. for men, 4:30 p.m. for women.
D3hoopsNet will broadcast audio of both championship games.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Excellent, thanks!! ;D ;D
So fickle...
The bald eagles say "We want live stats!" so we deliver, and now that d3hoops audio comes along, it's bye bye Clintie.
I see how it is.
;D
touchy, touchy. ;)
any reason we can't listen to D3 while watching Clintie's live stats? :D
Anxiously awaiting the doubleheader at Goolrick tomorrow. Will probably have to park at Central Park! With the men's game first the place will be rockin'! Yeah, I know it's a small venue, but its still the home of the Eagles. Always look to the costumes but since it has been the men's team in wigs and warpaint, will the UMW students step up! Can't just have the St. Bernard and THE EAGLE.
Couldn't let the valiant effort by York go by, though. Always a tough team and Kristen Daly will surely be missed. York kept it close in the first half, but in the second it was Mary Washington all the way.
On to the next one Eagles! Marymount.........
Quote from: mwcsid on February 29, 2008, 03:16:42 PM
So fickle...
The bald eagles say "We want live stats!" so we deliver, and now that d3hoops audio comes along, it's bye bye Clintie.
I see how it is.
;D
Not to worry mwcsid, you are our first love ::) :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 29, 2008, 03:19:37 PM
touchy, touchy. ;)
any reason we can't listen to D3 while watching Clintie's live stats? :D
on to the dance! ;D
I wish you Bbald twins could have been there! What a game!!!!
The first half was a slugfest with the wonderful guys in stripes catching tons of criticism. But after the half it was UMW - UMW and MORE UMW!!
d-Mac, you said after the last meeting of these two teams that UMW was sending a message.
Tonight, they sent another one. Loud and clear!!!!!!
UMW is #1 in the CAC
Congratulations ladies!!! You know I love you all and I couldn't be prouder! Smoochies ;)
Marymount received an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament.
Good for Marymount! They need a nice bracket and have to play at the top of their game and have some luck too to get very far but they're in and have the chance to go for it! Nice to see two CAC teams at the dance. :)
Nice to see the UMW hosts first two rounds and also that Marymount is in a different bracket.
bbald, mamadukes!!
Whats going on -- no info on the opponents?
Best of luck to Mary Wash and Marymount, you represent the CAC well
Have Fun Ladies
read it yourself, balder ::) :P :-*
http://athletics.baruch.cuny.edu/index.asp?path=wbasket&tab=womens
http://www.bridgewater.edu/index.php?id=878
http://www.tcnjathletics.com/index.asp?path=wbasket
Thanks bbald. I'm still giddy from the CAC celebration ;D
I was a bit surprised that Bridgewater and UMW ended up in the same bracket. Thought the committee usually attempted to keep teams that had previously played each other apart. Geography must have been a deciding factor.
The last time Bridgewater and UMW met in the tournament, it was in a hotel lobby in Maine! They both lost in the Sweet 16, so didn't play but it was interesting.
Glad to have a home round or two. TCNJ has been to UMW before, so has Bridgewater. Baruch College is an unknown to me. Time for research!
BTW, mwcsid. You did a wonderful job juggling two conference championship games and what looks like a couple of other spring events on campus over the weekend. Nice ;)
Quote from: mamadukes on March 03, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
I was a bit surprised that Bridgewater and UMW ended up in the same bracket. Thought the committee usually attempted to keep teams that had previously played each other apart. Geography must have been a deciding factor.
Feb. 5 at Mary Washington, UMW 81-56 over Bridgewater. Bridgewater took the upset route through the ODAC tournament to win it and must be playing its best ball of the season now.
Quote from: mamadukes on March 03, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
Thanks bbald. I'm still giddy from the CAC celebration ;D
I was a bit surprised that Bridgewater and UMW ended up in the same bracket. Thought the committee usually attempted to keep teams that had previously played each other apart.
I believe they usually only do this for conference opponents.
D3 Hoops stopped a hair short of predicting a first round loss by UMW, calling Mary Wash "most likely to disappoint."
http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/08/preview.htm
Its reasoning seems to be the strength of first round opponent Baruch's schedule: Baruch played Chicago, Kean, Desales, and Scranton on the road - it lost all those games with Scranton the smallest margin, a nine-point loss, and Kean a 23 point loss. Good road losses, I guess, is D3's view? Baruch's away record as it travels to UMW is 9-6. It beat Messiah at home in OT.
The All-CAC teams are posted
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2007-08/news/08WBBallstar.pdf
POY: UMW Liz Hickey
COY: UMW Deena Applebury
ROY: Gallaudet Nukeitra Hayes
Congratulations to Coach Applebury, Liz and to Ashton Mitchell, who breaks into the All Conference Teams this year.
The Eagles are preparing for a game. Not a walk in the park. This tournament will be won one game at a time. Last year I wonder if the "prognosticators" suspected they could get through the bracket with Scranton and Bowdoin. They did.
ANY of the 63 could win the title. But thanks for providing the bulletin board fodder.
Congratulations to all the honorees on the CAC team. You have all worked very hard and deserve the recognition.
If they need that kind of thing to motivate them then they are in bigger trouble than we thought. Surely they are plenty motivated on their own.
Every little bit helps :D
mwcsid, fine job with the live stats --- will they be available for tonights game? :-*
Washington Post gives D3 women's tournament a good amount of ink today
NCAA March Begins For Two Local Teams
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/06/AR2008030604017.html
Good to see the Ladies getting some ink.
Nice article in the Free Lance Star. Ashton has truly blossomed and it is nice to have her efforts be recognized.
Go Eagles!!!
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/032008/03072008/361650
Yes, live stats at 4 and 6:30...
http://livestats.prestosports.com/umw
GO
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At The half
MARY WASH ...41
BARUCH... 27
shooting 5-7 [3-3] Ashton Mitchell is high with 13
followed by Katy Larson with 11
Congrats to All the Lady Eagles, for a great win against Baruch! ;D
UMW 73, Baruch 58
Larson 18, Hickey 17 and 13, Mitchell 13, Clarkin 11
TCNJ beat Bridgewater 65-52...
WIN COSTLY FOR EAGLES COLLEGE BASKETBALL
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/032008/03082008/362094
"Eagles lost star forward Ashton Mitchell to a knee injury with 4:48 remaining. ... Both Ashton and Ashley Reed (concussion) will miss today's game and might be through for the season, according to Applebury."
It is a real shame that a college basketball team had to resort to "Street Ball" tactics to try and win a game. The coach, staff, and players of Baruch should face NCAA penalties for their vulgar display of basketball last night. Baruch coaches and players laughing while a player lay on the court with a head injury. We all understand basketball is a physical game but Baruch crossed the line last night. The officals should also be held accountable for letting the game get out of hand. I have been to hundreds of basketball games in my life at every level and this by far was the ugliest game I have ever seen. My thoughts and prayers are with the two young ladies who were assaulted last night.
UMW has a recent history of players stepping up when needed, not to mention how well coached they are. The game will have an outcome, hopefully a favorable one.
Go Eagles.
Mitchell is a huge loss. Last year she was the strong back up at post. This year Mitchell and Hickey haven't had a true backup. Lisa Tracy stepped up big at tournament time last year and she probably will be asked to move to post now.
The Eagles are and always will be a TEAM. They have each others back and beleve in each other.
As tough as the game was, I believe it helped prepare them for what is to come in the tournament.
Ashton and Ashley, you know we love you both and hope and pray for speedy recoveries.
Was following the game by live stats yesterday, what happened in the game, how did it become street ball? Were there flagrant fouls, poor sportsmanship?
It was an extremely fast paced game. Players on both teams got leveled many times with no calls. Not just knocked over....clotheslined! Inside the game was brutal. The usual bumping the point guard went uncalled and I believe that is what caused the head injury. A foul was called on that play, but it was too little too late. It went on the whole game. And should turning around and glaring at the opponents fan section after you've made a FT on a T be considerred taunting?
Bad sportsmanship? More like a total lack of good judgement and respect for an injured player. An unconscious player is serious. Nobody wants to see a player out cold.
I'm not going to bash the officials. Only they know what they saw and didn't call and with the injuries, they'll have to live with the consequences of their indecision. It can't be an easy job.
Wow, seems more like WWE or NFL then it did basketball. Baruch has been known to be a bad sportsmanship team. I have heard rumblings of this same behavior in other games. The taunting a fan section is unprofessional as real college players now the drill, it comes with the game.
I wish all of the injured players a speedy recovery, its a shame that these young ladies got injured in a game which is supposed to mean so much.
What was the reaction of the Baruch coaches, or were they just as unprofessional as the players?
Thanks for your well wishes for the girls. The game was in a word, unforgettable. :o
As for your final question.....I'll answer it this way. I spoke with the head coach after the game. He was gracious and kind and complimentary of the Eagles.
Tonight is another game, Ladies!!
Go Eagles!
Thats good to hear, glad to see at least the coach showed well. Good luck tonight, GO EAGLES!!
I too hope that the Eagle players are not seriously hurt and wish them a speedy recovery. When we talk about taunting though, it is important to note that 99 out of 100 situations, the taunting comes from the crowd and unless the home administrators put a stop to it, it gets worse and leads to retaliations on all sides, even if "just" verbal. (Note the photo on D3hoops with the Coast Guard player inbounding the ball with fans in his ear - why do home administrators allow this type of behavior???)
I thought the mantra at division III is to "be loud, be proud and be positive" - that doesn't include taunting opposing players or vice versa. The latter will be addressed.
mamadukes
I trust you have full UMW colors adorned for this one - enjoy the game ;D
GO EAGLES
Quote from: umwfan on March 08, 2008, 08:52:29 AM
It is a real shame that a college basketball team had to resort to "Street Ball" tactics to try and win a game. The coach, staff, and players of Baruch should face NCAA penalties for their vulgar display of basketball last night. Baruch coaches and players laughing while a player lay on the court with a head injury. We all understand basketball is a physical game but Baruch crossed the line last night. The officals should also be held accountable for letting the game get out of hand. I have been to hundreds of basketball games in my life at every level and this by far was the ugliest game I have ever seen. My thoughts and prayers are with the two young ladies who were assaulted last night.
While the opinions of regular posters on this board appear to be objective and professional, I feel a need to address the post made by UMWFAN. I was at the game yesterday, as a Baruch supporter, and do not agree with the sentiments of the game being a "vulgar display of basketball", nor do I feel that anyone on Mary Washington was "assaulted."
Baruch's Women's team has toppled numerous ranked teams over the last 4 years under Coach Joseph by their aggressive, in-your-face style of play on both the offensive and defensive ends. Their aggressiveness was matched by Mary Washington on Friday evening. While it is unfortunate that two players' seasons appear to be over via injuries in the 1st round match-up, it is irresponsible to claim that Baruch intended malice in their play.
The thought that any of the players or coaches took solace in anyone being injured is ludicrous. While Ashley Reed was being helped off the court, Coach Joseph was having a discussion with a referee over his disagreement of a call that negated a 3 pointer. The fact that the referee claimed a jumpstop cannot be followed by a pivot without a travel being called resulted in a chuckle from the coach, who actually knows the rules. There was no celebrating over an injury suffered by a fellow player.
Additionally, as someone who was in the Baruch section (which, by the way, was condensed to a bleacher section 2 yards wide), I feel it's necessary to point out that there was no celebrating over a player being injured. The "celebrating" was a result of Coach Applebury getting a technical foul called against her for throwing something as she was arguing with the referees. The cheering was towards Dominque McClendon, who was on her way to shoot the foul shots, with the hopes that giving Baruch 2 foul shots with over 3 minutes to go could result in a change in momentum.
The idea of the game being "resorted to street ball" rings very close to the statement made by Coach Applebury at that point in time, referring to the Baruch team as playing like "a bunch of animals," right in front of the visiting bench. The racial undertones of these statements are both hurtful, and depressing. Anyone familiar with Women's Basketball can easily make comparisons to the Don Imus situation last year.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I felt obligated to share my thoughts.
It was another exciting game for the Eagles. As predicted, the girls had to fill in the gaps left by the temporary loss of two of it's key players. One of the starters played sick and I really don't know how she found the guts to do it, but she did. Good job, little Lisa ;)
TCNJ has some wonderful players and they should hold their heads high. They never stopped playing!
The "sixth man", if you will, tonight was the fans. Thanks so much for the community for their continued support of these young women. True, UMW fans take up much of the gym. It's a small gym but the past two nights have been rockin'! With the school closing out it's spring break, I was afraid that attendance would be low and the crowd more subdued. I should have known better!!!
Congratulations, ladies. I love you all and am so proud of the courage and fire you showed tonight!
the centers really went at each other. great post play to watch. plently of defense there and all over the court. tough win. gritty.
Free Lance Star article
Eagles overcome rejection to advance
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/032008/03092008/362191
The Eagles did NOT disappoint last night against The College of New Jersey. Their play was both exhilarating and inspiring. Erica Lowe stepped up when called and delivered....high fives! Hoping and praying for Ashton and Ashley's quick return. My thanks to all the Eagles and Lions for displaying what D3 sports is all about. Beaming with pride for our Eagles! Yeah!!
I can't believe people from Mary Washington are complaining about poor sportsmanship after what the Mary Wash people tried to do to Baruch during the team's practice. I can only hope the NCAA is looking into it. They should take a cue from the NFL commish on this one.
Look in the mirror Mary Wash fans.
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This story is going around and it's come to me from two very strong sources. I'm not sure if we have it on the record yet, however.
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Congrats to MWU for advancing to the sweet 16, lets wrap us this Baruch talk, nobody cares about an overrated team who lost in the first round anyway. LIVINGINNYC, what did the Mary Washington fans do to Baruch at their practice thats so unsportsmanship, as far as I know, fans are only allowed at the games!!
Quote from: LivinginNYC on March 09, 2008, 05:06:27 PM
I can't believe people from Mary Washington are complaining about poor sportsmanship after what the Mary Wash people tried to do to Baruch during the team's practice. I can only hope the NCAA is looking into it. They should take a cue from the NFL commish on this one.
Look in the mirror Mary Wash fans.
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 06:37:50 PM
This story is going around and it's come to me from two very strong sources. I'm not sure if we have it on the record yet, however.
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 07:17:57 PM
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Quote from: balla4real78 on March 10, 2008, 09:39:56 AM
Congrats to MWU for advancing to the sweet 16, lets wrap us this Baruch talk, nobody cares about an overrated team who lost in the first round anyway. LIVINGINNYC, what did the Mary Washington fans do to Baruch at their practice thats so unsportsmanship, as far as I know, fans are only allowed at the games!!
Have I missed something or are we experiencing hearsay and gossip? :o
Ok, folks, it's two days until Game TIme!!
Let's get this board hoppin!
The Ladies proved on Saturday that they were worthy of the Sweet Sixteen. (I know, I know, it's called something else, but give me a break....I'm old)
Next up....Tufts!
Go EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-*
D3's most likely to disappoint in the first weekend didn't :D even with injuries and illness! 8)
What's the health status for tomorrow or is that hush hush until game time?
;)
Live video for tonights game ---
http://www.jumbocast.net/index.php
thanks ;D
Good luck to Mary Washington this weekend. Go Eagles!
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 13, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
D3's most likely to disappoint in the first weekend didn't :D even with injuries and illness! 8)
What's the health status for tomorrow or is that hush hush until game time?
Might as well be hush hush -- people will think what they want anyway ;D
GOOD LUCK EAGLES
Tufts 48, UMW 45
Close game the whole way, neither team led by more than three in the second half, UMW had some chances, but couldn't find the one big shot at the end.
Outstanding effort from both teams, Ashton Mitchell played 11 minutes with a torn ACL and had a bucket and four rebounds. The gutsiest thing I've ever seen in sports. Amazing.
Best of luck to the Jumbos (great nickname)...
And congrats to a UMW senior class that went 114-15 in four years, remarkable.
mwcid,
I watched the game courtsey of Tuff's Jumbocast. Thank You Tuffs :) Yes it was one heck of a game. Mary Washington showed tremendous heart and Ms Mitchell unbelievable courage.
Thank You Lady Eagles
ditto
and special thanks to the UMW seniors
Congratulations to Liz Hickey of Mary Washington for beign D3Hoop's Regional player of the year, and being on its first team all region and to Kathleen Brown of Marymount for first team honors too. Kudos to Kristen Daly of York, 2d team, and to Keli Ward of York and Ashton Mitchell of UMW for third team recognition. :)
Any news on UMW's Ashton Mitchell's recovery or rehab schedule and whether she'll be ready to go at the beginning of next season? It will be a big loss if she is not cleared to play then.
Quote from: Balder Eagle on March 11, 2008, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: LivinginNYC on March 09, 2008, 05:06:27 PM
I can't believe people from Mary Washington are complaining about poor sportsmanship after what the Mary Wash people tried to do to Baruch during the team's practice. I can only hope the NCAA is looking into it. They should take a cue from the NFL commish on this one.
Look in the mirror Mary Wash fans.
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2008, 06:37:50 PM
This story is going around and it's come to me from two very strong sources. I'm not sure if we have it on the record yet, however.
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 09, 2008, 07:17:57 PM
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Quote from: balla4real78 on March 10, 2008, 09:39:56 AM
Congrats to MWU for advancing to the sweet 16, lets wrap us this Baruch talk, nobody cares about an overrated team who lost in the first round anyway. LIVINGINNYC, what did the Mary Washington fans do to Baruch at their practice thats so unsportsmanship, as far as I know, fans are only allowed at the games!!
Have I missed something or are we experiencing hearsay and gossip? :o
This should clear up any questions:
http://media.www.theticker.org/media/storage/paper909/news/2008/03/31/Sports/Eagles.Spied.On.Bearcats-3291691.shtml
Well, seeing as it made no effort at balance or even an attempt to contact anyone with Mary Washington or the NCAA, I don't think it clears anything up. It's just a bunch of allegations and no corroboration.
This doesn't rise to the level of journalism. Trust me.
bbald I am surprised you missed this one :o
Congrats to Liz Hickey --
http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAAT2008.html (http://www.wbca.org/releases/DIIISFCAAT2008.html)
The William M. Anderson Center, the University of Mary Washington's new basketball and volleyball facility, is set to be completed by the fall of 2010 with a capacity of 2,000. Take a virtual tour
http://athletics.umw.edu/ANDERSONCENTER.avi
Has ground been broken?
I only ask because I have seen plans for Mary Washington's new building since, literally, 1994.
Nope. Construction is supposed to start in summer 2009.
Here's a newspaper story from last month on all the construction and expansion at UMW
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2008/072008/07062008/392267
It puts the opening of Anderson Center in Spring 2010, not fall ;-)
mamadukes!
Since bbald ignored my last post. I will ask you this.
How did Ashton's acl rehab go?
Will she play this year?
Pre-season strength and conditioning has begun and all is well with the Eagles. Lost a lot last year, but I hear the "newbies" are big and bad!
It's my understanding that Ashton is rehabbing well. She has more guts than any player I've ever seen, so she should have an outstanding senior year. Let's get this party started!
;D
Thank you mamadukes
Good News! (did the party ever let up?:o)
:D
I hope the party NEVER stops! The growth and success of the Women's Basketball program has ben phenomenal!
The new facility looks great. It's certainly taken long enough. I just have one question of our friend there.....are those the actual pictures you plan to use on the walls? ;)
Sure would be nice!
Quote from: mamadukes on September 02, 2008, 11:43:09 AM
The new facility looks great. It's certainly taken long enough. I just have one question of our friend there.....are those the actual pictures you plan to use on the walls? ;)
Sure would be nice!
mwcsid where are you? ::)
Yes;
Football, Field Hockey and all! ;D
From the ODAC board
Quote from: rorurap on September 16, 2008, 10:08:42 PM
Better check that EMU roster! I hear that Riley is gone! without her not sure they are a 5th placer.
Quote from: emufan on September 18, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
I also heard that Riley has left and went back to Marymount.
If those two posters are accurate, the return of Carolyn Riley to Marymount could have a large impact in the CAC. She's an impact player.
Carolyn Riley is indeed on Marymount's roster
http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/wbball/roster.html
Marymount has to be the preseason favorite in the CAC, and probably should be in the D3 preseason Top 25, too. UMW's lost too much to be the preseason favorite, and York's lost Daly.
Nice position for the UMW Eagles in DIII Polls. Not #1 like last year, but this is a different team. Lots of room for "movin' on up."
Other than the return of Carolyn Riley to Marymount, how are the other CAA schools faring?
Wow, no Mary Washington in the top 25, thats truly a surprise. Any updates and previews on the upcoming season. November is here.
I was surprised how close UMW was to being in the Top 25 after how much they graduated from last year's team. They'll be good and near the top of the CAC but need to establish themselves. As I said before Marymount has to be the preseason favorite.
Pleasantly surprised, though, right bbald?
UMW lost some incredible players to graduation. I've yet to see the freshmen on the court, so time will tell. Reputation has to be a large part of any preseason poll. One can't deny the 114-15 record with four NCAA appearances over the last four years.
As all the ones in the past have been, it will be an interesting season.
yes, pleasantly surprised, and even more so by UMW's ranking in the WBCA poll.
Congratulations to Marymount's Kathleen Brown on her preseason D3 Hoops all-American selection, which IMHO is well-deserved.
The ESPN/WBCA poll ranking was nice. The roster is up and you can probably tell, it is loaded with freshmen. They scrimmaged EMU this week and will scrimmage CNU soon and it looks like Coach has done it again. Incredibly talented group of players! ;D
The season opener will be against Bridgewater always a force in the ODAC.
The newbies seemed like solid players, and will only get better as the season progresses.
Now where's that media guide!?!?
preseason prediction
1. Marymount - loaded
2. Mary Washington - lost a lot but should compete for first
3. York - Drop off is deep after 1 & 2. Daly gone, but York should still be the best of the rest.
4. Salisbury - young
5. Wesley - moving up I think
6. St. Mary's - if the roster posting is complete at 5 players, St. Mary's will struggle
7. Hood
8. Villa Julie
9. Gallaudet
St. Mary's (Md.) 75 (1-0)
Ramapo 48 (0-1)
St. Mary's (Md.) to face Susquehanna in championship contest of Cherry Cove/Seahawk Tip-Off Tournament on Sunday at 4:00 pm. Susquehanna defeated FDU-Florham in Saturday's other contest, 65-49. FDU-Florham and Ramapo will play in the consolation contest on Sunday beginning at 2:00 pm.
Does anyone have the all-tourney selections for the marymount touney?
The ATT was read off hurriedly and I know I missed a couple. MVP was Meredith Levison of Marymount. 53 pts & 6 assts in 88 minutes. 11 out of 16 from 3! Best defense on the floor all weekend.
The others I caught were:
Cynthia Rivera -- Stockton
Brittany Whetts -- Neumann
Caitlin Moser -- Gettysburg
Mary Spicer -- Gettysburg
Kathleen Brown -- Marymount
Kathryn Wilson -- Marymount
There were at least a couple more. Deserving, IMHO, were Miranda Carrasco and Tonya Wright from Ferrum and Kaitlyn Fiorino from King's. Who knows; maybe they were too...
The all tournament team for the Marymount Marine Corps Tip-Off Tournament was
Cynthia Rivera -- Richard Stockton
Kaitlyn Fiorino -- King's
Brittney Bullock--Ferrum
Brittney Whetts -- Neumann
Brianna Peterson -- Catholic
Catie Biordi -- Mt. St. Mary
Caitlin Moser -- Gettysburg
Mary Spicer -- Gettysburg
Kathleen Brown -- Marymount
Kathryn Wilson -- Marymount
Meredith Levison -- Marymount MVP
Marymount, Mary Washington, and York seem to be doing okay so far but most of the teams in the CAC are racking up losses :'( and probably can't wait for league play to start so one or the other CAC team must get a W in each game ::).
A few CAC matchups this week, then off for Holiday/Exam break. Mary Washington will be meeting up with Randolph Macon in, of all places, St. Thomas, VI over the holidays! The ODAC is still shaping up, much like our conference but RMC is always a contender. Should be an telling matchup for both conferences.
I have been pleased with the peformances of the freshmen at UMW. They show a lot of talent and most importantly finesse. Their "freshman jitters" will surely show up from time to time, but all in all, they are very impressive. And there are so many of them! Welcome to the boards, ladies! ;)
Mama-
Are you overlooking Kean on December 13? That game should be an early reality check for Mary Washington.
The freshmen are impressive. Lack of depth at post is probably Coach Applebury's biggest challenge.
Ooops! I assure you, that was just a lapse in the old head. Indeed Kean will be a tough one. They are historically a powerful program and it will be an early test for the Eagles. Keep me in line, bbald. Clearly, I was not looking at the schedule. Also another CAC matchup with Hood before the break and the ever present Gulls on Wednesday ;D
Wow. UMW defeats #1 Kean. I am impressed. Way to go.
Quote from: bbald eagle on December 02, 2008, 10:03:52 AM
Mama-
Are you overlooking Kean on December 13? That game should be an early reality check for Mary Washington.
The freshmen are impressive. Lack of depth at post is probably Coach Applebury's biggest challenge.
I think it is safe to say that the Eagles passed the reality check. It was a fabulous game to watch. The lead changed nine times in the first half, but in the second it was UMW all the way.
Kean is an incredibly athletic and talented team. A #1 ranking can be an honor and a burden. EVERYBODY brings their "A" game, and you have no where to go but down.
The season is young. But today's victory over such a superlative team is something the Eagles should be very proud of.
This afternoon's game against #9 Simpson should be a reality check for Marymount.
Word from St. Thomas! The Eagles have landed!
Seriously, the schedule has changed and UMW will be playing RMC TOMORROW evening instead of tonight.
The game schedule for UMW in St. Thomas is as follows:
Monday, December 29 vs. Montclair State
Tuesday, December 30 vs. Randolph-Macon
Virgin Islands newspaper on the dramatic Montclair State win over UMW:
http://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=17631817
"After a couple turnovers UMW got the ball back and with 4.6 seconds left, Katy Larson was fouled attempting a 3-point shot. She made all three free throws to tie the game back up and force Montclair to throw up a prayer. That they did. Montclair's inbounds pass, which looked like a Hail Mary pass in football, was tipped and nearly went out of bounds. There to recover it though was the Hawks' Jaime Ericson. Ericson took the ball, turned around, and threw up a 3-pointer that swished right through the net and gave the Hawks' their sixth victory of the season."
Truly sounded like a stellar end to the game. Too bad it didn't go the way of the Eagles. Sometimes it's a little difficult to shake off the rust after a long break. They've got to learn that, though. Probably could have benefited from a few more fans in the stands yelling at/for them!
The Eagles did rebound with the win over Randolph-Macon.
Ashley Reed, Ashton Mitchell and Katy Larson had double digit scoring, but as I said on the ODAC board, I would like to see the play-by-play. Maybe someone can come up with a copy of the game film ;D
Conference play begins again soon and I know everyone is anxious for that!
I recall too many games with York that came down to the buzzer. They are a forminable team and can't be taken lightly.
Happy New Year!
Link to sories on Sunsational Tournament Play on December 30
http://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=17631850
It sounds like it was an exciting game.
Looks to me like Marymount should reappear in the Top 25 and UMW will stay there as league play is set to resume. York should be the UMW frosh's introduction to how fierce CAC games can be. Marymount probably won't be challenged again until it visits Fredricksburg.
York almost squeaked into the top 25 too! Adds a little pressure for the UMW/York match, eh? Has the CAC ever had 3 teams in the top 25 at the same time?
Congratulations to York on its win at UMW. Quite an impressive second half for Keli Ward, and a career high scoring for UMW's Ashton Mitchell.
Horrible 3 point shooting by the Eagles, whose frosh sure got introduced to CAC play.
The intensity with which the Spartans played was the key difference in the win over UMW. Their defense was incredible! The Spartans were hungry for the win and it showed in every aspect of their play.
One game at a time, Eagles. That's how it must be played, especially in CAC play where every contest prepares you for the tournament.
Move on.
Uhh ... not sure how much prep you're going to get from playing Gallaudet, Stevenson and Salisbury this year. Let's not go overboard.
While I may agree in principle, one fact remains. Every CAC school plays every CAC school twice during the regular season. I WAS referring to the CAC Tournament. I don't believe that is getting ahead of myself.
I apologize if that was not clear.
Marymount, York, and Mary Washington are clustered at 20, 21, and 22 in the Top 25. :) I wonder if this is this first time 3 CAC teams were in the top 25 at the same time.
The CAC says it is the first time
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2008-09/news/3TeamsInTop25Polls.1stTimeEver
It has happened before, in the DIII hoops Poll just not with the same teams. The history is that they are in both the DIII hoops poll and the USA TODAY/ESPN Coaches Poll.
Re: CAC
« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2005, 06:18:30 pm »
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Marymount #21
Catholic #22
UMW #23
That's probably pretty accurate and as I said earlier there should be some very close competitive games in the CAC. Tomorrow's UMW-CUA contest should be great!
Marymount plays both UMW and York this week. By week's end we should have a good idea of whether the top of the CAC is going to shake out early or whether it will remain muddled through the entire season. Though all 3 teams should be in the Top 25 again in this Tuesday's poll, I doubt there'll be 3 CAC teams in the Top 25 the following week.
After 24 hours, I still have no words for the UMW/Marynount game. So unlike me ;)
Bravo, Eagles, Bravo!
MMT and UMW were close all the way for the whole game. Hard played as always between these 2 teams. UMW's Larson set the tone for her team in OT. MMT's White hit a very tough 3 to send it to OT and another in OT. MMT hosts York Saturday which will establish whether there is a clear leader in the CAC at the halfway mark or a jumble of three at the top.
MWCSID: Thanks for the video feed for home games this season. Quite nice.
I hope nobody counts out UMW come tournament time...a couple losses in the conference doesn't mean much when it comes time for one and done--and while the bulk of the team may be freshman the eagles have some strong leaders who know how to win in the tournament.
What's that they say about adversity?
It'll either kill you or make you stronger.
Nobody should count the Eagles out. They have struggled along the way during the first half of the season. Have they learned? FROM EVERY OPPONENT!
Glad to see some new blood on the CAC board!
Is it too early to start speculating who the POY will be??
I think the top choices would have to be Keli Ward-York or Ashton Mitchell-UMW.
Both players post strong numbers, and even stronger numbers in big games. The obvious advantage Ward has is her team record and current ranking. One thing to consider with Mitchell is that produces big numbers in limited minutes. Kathleen Brown is another play that could be in the mix as well. The final decision may come down to who leads their team best in the conference tournament.
Jenna McRae-UMW should be a lock for Rookie of the Year.
There are a lot more games to play but right now the strength of the league is definitely north of where it's been for some time in the CAC. At the half way mark, York's got a two game lead and beat both UMW and Marymount on the road.
I saw York on Saturday against Marymount and was impressed with York. I expected to see some roughness in their game and maybe some struggling under pressure, especially when MU came back in the first half and briefly took the lead. There was nothing of the sort. The more experienced and disciplined team of York, far and away.
To quote by color-commentator for the game, Gen Schmitt, York had the higher basketball IQ. They made the extra pass(es), made better adjustments, stuck to the game plan, and played better on both sides of the ball for nearly the entire game. York certainly has a lot of upper classmen, but I was really impressed with some of the underclassmen, including Sophomore April Sparkman. It is too bad that Kelli Ward and Sparkman only have until the end of this season to play with one another. Along with Amanda Andrews, the duo/trio is a dangerous group. They play so well with one another and have so many more in the support characters role it is tough to stop them on offense. And when you have a squad that is so disciplined along with unselfish, you have a team that is going to be tough to stop.
Marymount was more ordinary then I expected. Terell White tried far too hard to take the game over and drag her team back into the game. That isn't her game, from what I could tell. She needed to pick up what Kelli Ward does so well and that is set up the rest of the team and be there when that bailout is needed. Also, Kathryn Wilson was obviously not ready after missing the Salisbury game due to injury. She couldn't stay on the court for long periods of time and simply wasn't a factor when she was playing. That left a lot on the load probably on players who don't normally have the pressure on them. And when you play against a defense as fundementally solid as York, that is too much to overcome. Also, I was surprised how much Coach Finney and the team seemed to stick to their game plan from the beginning of the game, despite the fact it didn't seem to be working on either side of the court. Not sure how well it would have mattered, but I would have love to have seen York have to deal with a solid zone defense once in awhile.
York now has a 2 1/2 game lead on the conference and has the luxury of being in the cat bird seat with both Marymount and Mary Washington having to come to York knowing they HAVE to win if they want a shot of having home-court advantage in the tournament.
York is very impressive, moves the ball very well, and plays disciplined and hard. The underclassmen look good but Ward is still the key. The hole was a lack of a post game and a post defender, which they overcome by the style they play, and the only "roughness" was unforced errors at game end when they tried to sit on a lead. York played confidently, like they expected to win, even on the road against a ranked team. If Ward stays healthy, this may be their season.
Big game tonight at York! Should be a great one...look for Mary Washington to avenge the Jan 7th loss.
If York wins this one, even Marymount will have a hard time catching it. Ashton Mitchell should hit the 1,000 point mark soon. She had a career high at UMW in the loss to York. She'll need to be on the top of her game again tonight.
Ward, Figenshu transform York into Division III power:
http://www.dailylocal.com/articles/2009/02/04/sports/local/doc4989939d88994587063597.txt
York has had a phenomenal season and the success of this year's team is due, in large part, to the ability of Keli Ward. They will surely miss her next year.
Monday's game with UMW was incredibly exciting and neither team dominated. When they meet in the CAC tournament it will be a "must see". The 3 pointer at the end of the game was reminiscent of a Clarkin 3 pointer at the horn that had the W going the other way. I believe that game was in 2005, the freshman year for UMW's Clarkin, Larson and Mitchell and York's Ward, Andrews, Perez, Figenshu, Garlock and Fry.
I look forward to the future of this young UMW squad. They've learned some very valuable lessons this year. Lost a few games, sure, but a record of 16-4 is one to be proud of. They certainly are still in the running! UMW needs to take care of business for the rest of the regular season. There are more than two teams in the CAC! ALL the others will be playing for that Banner as well!
Finish strong Eagles!
So York is now in the Top 10 and UMW is back in the Top 25... and NOTHING from ANYONE in this board! WOW! CAC is having a good season and there is a very outside chance of three teams in the tourney... and no one is chatting. Anyone out there? :)
I'm here d-mac, but what is there to say? The remainder of the season will determine seeding in the CAC tournament, but York has sewn up the regular season title. If York loses the tournament could I see 2 teams in the NCAA.
You really think three CAC teams could make it to the tournament? Marymount? Wesley?
Thanks for trying to drum up activity on the board, but it's been quiet this season.
Go Eagles!!
Yeah, it's been pretty lonely and quiet on the CAC board this season. Mostly UMW folks and not many of them.
UMW may have got back into the Top 25 this week at 25 but it is still behind Marymount in the CAC rankings. They play Saturday with the winner probably a lock on being seeded second in the league tournament even though UMW later hosts Wesley which beat it and Marymount has to go to York to end the regular season. I can see 2 CAC teams making the NCAA tournament but I think 3 is probably a stretch.
But bbald.....you are in such good company!
It has been a fun run, but I wonder....who will be on this board after this year!
First NCAA regional rankings, out today
Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. York (Pa.) 20-1 20-1
2. Kean 16-3 18-4
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 16-3 16-4
4. TCNJ 17-4 18-4
5. Marymount (Va.) 16-3 17-4
6. Staten Island 15-3 17-5
Full list:
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/11/ncaa-regional-rankings/
Congratulations to UMW's Ashton Mitchell on reaching the 1,000 point mark ;D
Congrats to York College senior Chanel Perez for scoring her 1,000th career point in the victory at McDaniel. Chanel reached the milestone with a jumper with 5:57 left in the second half. She is the 12th York College player to reach the milestone and the third in the last three years (Kristen Daly in 2007, Keli Ward in 2008)
Congrats Chanel on a job well done!
Pay back tonight for UMW!
Go Eagles!!!
;)
NCAA rankings 2/18
Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. York (Pa.) 22-1 22-1
2. Kean 17-4 19-5
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 19-3 19-4
4. TCNJ 18-4 20-4
5. Marymount (Va.) 18-3 19-4
6. Mary Washington 16-5 18-5
Very nice Around the Nation article on York seniors on D3Hoops home page! :) Thanks. Ward should be a lock for All-American honors.
York/Marymount tomorrow will have no impact on CAC tournament pairings. York vying though for an undefeated regular season in the CAC and for an aura of invincibility.
regional rankings 2/25
Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4
4. Kean 18-5 20-6
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5
Incredible game tonight at Marymount. Congratulations to the Saints on a great season. If the CAC gets three in, it may not be over for you yet. (Or even two, if I'm getting this)
But it was sheer will and determination on the part of the Eagles that turned the tide.
HigherCount and Eaglejacket, I wish you could have seen it. Amazing play by all.
The seniors just weren't ready to pack it in and the freshmen will continue to wreak havoc for the next three years. Wimmer and Warhurst were HUGE down the stretch!
I'm having a hard time thinking of when I have been prouder of them! :o
hey, Mama, don't forget the show put on by K. Larson! ;)
Quote from: mamadukes on February 27, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
Congratulations to the Saints on a great season. If the CAC gets three in, it may not be over for you yet.
The latest NCAA ranking had
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 in region, 20-5 overall
6. Mary Washington 18-5 in region, 20-5 overall
If I got this right, in region they'd now be
Marymount (Va.) 19-5
Mary Washington 20-5
While it's clear York gets an NCAA slot if UMW beats it tomorrow, it isn't clear to me whether if York wins tomorrow and the CAC gets a second (but not a third) slot, it would go to UMW (at 20-6 region) or instead to MMT (at 19-5 region). Three CAC slots would be nice.
Go Eagles!
Three teams from the CAC? I doubt it. I think the only way the conference get's two teams is if UMW beats YCP tomorrow (as bbald eagle pointed out). Sorry, but the fact that MMT dropped a game to UMW does damage to their chances to a Pool C bid... and UMW was pretty far down to begin with. Not to mention the fact, upsets (like YCP losing) will make it harder and harder for bubble teams to make it.
bbald, I always enjoy the show!
Dmac, thanks for the explanation.
It should be a great game!
D3hoopsNet has added the CAC women's title game to the schedule:
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
;D
UMW 67 York 56
UMW: CAC Champions
To the dance again! 5th season in a row!
:)
btw,
very nice broadcast, Mr. d-mac. thanks.
Congrats to UMW, but its ashame that the York women will not receive something for their trophy case after such an incredible season. Im partial of course, but they were the strongest team in the CAC this season and a 3 game tournament does not do justice to this championship caliber squad.
Keep your heads up lady Spartans! The season ain't over yet!!
Agreed Pandemonium!
What a fabulous season for the Spartans!
In 2006, UMW went the entire regular season undefeated. 27-0 going into the Championship game of the CAC. They fell to Marymount and finished with a 29-2 record ending in the Sweet Sixteen.
Katy Larson, Kaitie Clarkin and Ashton Mitchell were freshmen and they've never forgotten the loss to Marymount. It has been a part of their entire college career. Fuel to the fire.
Eight Freshmen
Three Juniors
Three Seniors-only ONE returning starter
A Coach that won't accept anything less than a player's full effort, insisting that each one lives up to their potential.
CAC Tournament CHAMPIONS!
Congratulations UMW Eagles! ;D
Mama loves you ALL! :o
Quote from: HighestThreadCount on January 22, 2009, 08:23:07 AM
I hope nobody counts out UMW come tournament time...a couple losses in the conference doesn't mean much when it comes time for one and done--and while the bulk of the team may be freshman the eagles have some strong leaders who know how to win in the tournament.
guess I would have to say I called that one!
Congrats UMW :)
I would say you did!! :D
congrats to UMW, very much deserved, they just played better then YCP yesterday...however, If you ask me who I feel is more tourney ready out of the two, not even a question. Yes UMW is a very good team, looked very impressive yesterday, but a 16-0 conference season, and a 25 game win-streak speaks volumes. Not to mention YCP boasts a Josten's finalist in Ward, and possibily a future Jostens finalist in super soph April Sparkman, and then have 4 other experienced seniors in their rotation. On top of all that, I hope you do not mind me taking your words mamadukes, but "fuel to the fire" is think is the perfect definition of the loss yesterday for YCP. I would not want to be whoever YCP is matched with in the first round of NCAA's. Best of luck to both teams, I have enjoyed watching them both. I feel there going to have to go through eachother to advance in the NCAA's. May the best team win.
Mary Washington has seasoned Tournament Players, an important factor in thier success at Marymount and again yesterday at York. The Freshman stepped up during the CAC Tournament, another huge factor. Will be interesting to see how far they go in this years NCAA. Congrats Lady Eagles (again :)..) .......... York, welcome to 'the dance' and and congtrats on your fabulous season. May both teams represent the CAC well!
Sportsnut, I agree with you that I would HATE to be the next team up for York!! Ward is, and always has been, a phenomenal player. I too, have enjoyed watching her play....most of the time ;)
Since the ways of the "Committee" seem to be so mysterious, it will be interesting to see how the brackets play out. I may not agree, but last time I looked, I don't have a whole hell of a lot to do with it and I certainly can't change it.
Since I appear to be agreeable today, I will also agree with bbald. Experience rests with the leadership of the Eagles, and the seniors and juniors have ALL been to the NCAA tournament for each and every year of their careers at UMW.
That has to count for something.
That being said, I think that both CAC teams are certainly battle tested. I hope they BOTH go deep into the tournament!
March Madness has begun!
So who hosts from the region you think? York and Messiah?
UMW is about as tournament ready as they come. They have four players who have been to the NCAA tournament and three conference titles under their belt. They have experience playing on the road and they understand the level of play that comes with the NCAA tournament.
Best of luck to all the CAC teams!
Quote from: HighestThreadCount on March 01, 2009, 06:20:53 PM
Best of luck to all the CAC teams!
Soon we'll learn if Marymount joins the party too. 3 would be nice, especially if the NCAA doesn't keep them all together at one site.
THREE Count em THREE to the BIG DANCE FROM THE CAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
York
Mary Washington ;D
Marymount
Sorry d-Mac ;)
Wow! Congrats CAC (especially my old crew at Marymount)!
You don't have to apologize to me! I am surprised Marymount got in - but I also disagreed with the fact the projections had it that way as well. I think the thing the entire conference should be thankful about is the fact that no CAC team could possibly meet until the Elite 8 at the earliest (YCP and Marymount). Not many conferences get that kind of "love" and I think it might be an unintended gift.
Well we will take it d-mac!!
Personally, I'm glad we're on the other side of the bracket from our CAC counterparts!
I'm just not sure the Big Apple is ready for this country gal, or vice versa :o
2008-09 All-CAC Women's Basketball Team
First Team
Yr. Pos. Team Hometown/High School Previous Honors
Kathleen Brown Jr. F Marymount Bethesda, Md./Walt Whitman 1st '08
Katy Larson Sr. G Mary Washington McGaheysville, Va./Spotswood
Angie Owens So. F Wesley Seaford, Del./Seaford
April Sparkman So. G York Walkersville, Md./Walkersville
Keli Ward Sr. G York Nottingham, Pa./Oxford 2nd '08, 1st '07, 2nd & RoY '06
Second Team
Cory Boyd So. G Wesley Point Pleasant, N.J./Point Pleasant
Ashton Mitchell Sr. F Mary Washington Prince George, Va./Prince George 1st '08
Chanel Perez Sr. F York Biglerville, Pa./Gettysburg
Allie Scott Sr. F St. Mary's Laurel, Md./Atholton 2nd '08, 2nd '07, 2nd '06
Kathryn Wilson Sr. G Marymount Richmond, Va./St. Gertrude
2009 CAC Player of the Year: Keli Ward, York
2009 CAC Rookie of the Year: Katie Wimmer, Mary Washington (Fr., G, Vienna, Va./James Madison)
2009 CAC Coach of the Year: Betsy Witman, York (also in 2002)
Congratulations to all the CAC ladies!
Especially my UMW Eagles!!!!
Great job this season. And they said it was a "rebuilding year'" Tssk Tssk! ::)
Big news at Welsey as they advance to the ECAC South Women's Basketball Championship!
http://cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2008-09/news/09WesleyECACBid
With FOUR teams in post season play, this has been a banner year for the CAC.
This is my first post and it is obvious that I am a fan of York College. I was very pleased with the conference selections. It wasn't really a surprise about Keli Ward. She is the engine that makes the team go. April Sparkman isn't a surprise either, but I think she is going to be in for some challenges next year when she is the go to person and she doesn't have Ward getting her the ball. I am also happy for Chantal Perez and Coach Witman. I would have liked to seen Amanda Andrews get recognition, but you can't have everything :)
I was disappointed in the CAC championship game, but they got beat by an excellent opponent. What is really scary is that UMW had at least 4 freshmen that contributed significantly. That means that UMW is going to be a force for at least 3 more years, even though they will really miss Larson and Mitchell. Speaking of Mitchell, I have really enjoyed watching her play the last few years. She is very unselfish and makes everyone around her a lot better (a lot like Keli Ward) even though she isn't the point guard. I am sure the knee injury hampered her, but it didn't prevent her from giving 100%.
I know that if I was an employer, I'd love to have young women like Ward and Mitchell on my team.
Best of luck to the Spartans, Eagles and Saints. Great year for the CAC!
There'll be live video of the UMW/NYU game
http://www.umw.edu/athletics/sports/basketballwomen/
Gettin ahead of yourself there, bbald.
That game is UMW and Stevens @ NYU ;)
::)
oh well, A for effort.
Hopefully, the UMW/(maybe)NYU will be broadcast too the next day. ;)
the York-CNU game will be on webcast pay per view
http://www.b2livetv.com/partner_members.asp?id=33
It looks like Marymount - Kean will be a web radio broadcast
http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/article.php?id=2850 but Rochester has webcast capability, http://www.rochester.edu/athletics/webcast/ , so maybe there'll be video too?
UMW 25 Stevens 24 at half
3 of the 7 "cinderella" possibilities in the current D3Hoops poll are the 3 opponents tonight for the CAC teams.
Stevens 59 UMW 50
UMW: 3 for 27 for three point shooting
0-2
Kean 74 Marymount 60
The York women won a very tough game last night. Balance was the key as eveyone made key contributions, but in my mind the big reason they have a game to play tonight doesn't show up in the box score. That is the defense played by April Sparkman. She was absolutely fantastic. She hounded Schweers all night long. Even though Schweers had her 20 points, 8 of them came while April took a breather for about one minute in the first half (there weren't many breathers after that). Schweers was frustrated all night and couldn't get any good looks. She threw up a couple airballs in her frustration and was pushing April all night long. April was tired in the second half and it took away from her offense, but she didn't lose her focus on defense and in my opinion won the game for us. Great defense April!
There were lots of other contributions. I believe Keli only had one turnover all night and as always distributed the ball to perfection. We are to the point of just expecting great games from her everynight and she never disappoints. I was also very impressed with the play of Amanda Andrews, she made some great passes and really took only shots when she had a good look at the basket, She played a lot better than she did last Saturday. Chanal had her typical hard nosed game and showed a lot of determination going to the hoop a couple times when things were close. Jamie Sapp came on down the stretch when we most needed her and continues to improve as the season progresses. We also got contributions from Amy and Donna and the bench, so all in all a great team effort again led by the defense of April Sparkman.
It looks like we are going to have our hands full tonight. Baruch really looked good against Cabrini. One of their players (#10) is probably going to have the assignment to try to stop Keli tonight and she plays tough defense. If Keli plays her usual gem and doesn't turn the ball over, that will be a key. But I think we're going to need another team effort to advance. If everyone sticks to their role, we will be fine. Should be a fun game to watch. Go Spartans!
What can I say about this one. It was a total TEAM effort. Chanal kept us in the game early, Keli did her thing, April with another outstanding defensive show, Amanda again hits big shots, Jamie continues to be a force in the paint and the bench makes big contributions.
For anyone out there that enjoys watching team basketball, it just doesn't get better. I have very good vibes about this group of women. They have all the parts to take this thing a little bit further. I was a little bit concerned about our post presence, but Jamie Sapp is really coming into her own. If she continues to play this way, we are going to be a force to be reckoned with. We have an All American at the point (my opinion) and even though I'm biased, we have another one with April. I can't imagine anyone having a much better weekend at both ends of the floor, than she just had. Chanal brings the toughness and Amanda brings good defense along with her nice shot and some great assists this weekend. Our bench seems to have someone contribute every night, last night Caitlin and Donna provided sparks. Even when the shots aren't falling the defensive effort is there. So despite the offensive fireworks, the thing that really excites me is the defense. Remember ladies, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
I really hope we get to host this weekend. We have the best record of the 4 teams in our bracket. I am not sure of the other facilities, but I can't imagine there is anything nicer than Grumbacher. We also had nice crowds this weekend even though the student body is on break. Does anyone know when we'll know??
So let's bring on the Lady Royals from the U of S. Go Spartans!
Here is a link to an article in this morning's Scranton Times about our next opponent.
http://www.scrantontimes.com/articles/2009/03/08/sports/sc_times_trib.20090308.c.pg1.tt08scranton_s1.2357238_spo.txt
Congratulations to the Spartans & good luck in the round of 16, and hopefully beyond! :)
I join bbald in best wishes to York for the remainder of their historic season. Coach Witman learned from one the best coaches EVER at JMU so she surely knows how it is done!
For my UMW Ladies! I am so proud of the accomplishments you have had this year. Though you lost on Friday to a very fiesty Stevens team, you went where few thought you would go....The NCAA Tournament!
Not to mention those HUGE wins over Marymount and York in the CAC tournament. Hold your heads up! You've got another three in front of you, Freshman, and you will continue to grow as you work to be stronger and better.
To my very special Seniors. I don't have the words to tell you how very much I love you. I hope you know. You are sisters to my girl. Thank you for four fabulous years. Lois says it's time to turn the page to a new chapter in your lives. May it be the "Best Seller" that your years at UMW have been.
Mama
Looks like we have to take a trip to Rochester NY. I am a little disappointed, but Rochester was ranked higher than us, so at least it's understandable. This team is so businesslike that they'll just take it as the challenge that it is.
Hoping YCP might sponsor a bus trip like they did for the men in 2005 when they went to the sectionals in Ramapo. In 2005 it probably helped get the men to the final four.
Go Spartans!
I truly hope that everything works out for York to match up with Rochester. How great would it be for a CAC team to take on a Rochester team that has a CAC alumna as an graduate assistant coach? 2008 Mary Washington's Liz Hickey is helping out up in Rochester while attaining her masters. It's a small, small world.
Good point eaglejacket....wonder who will be making the scouting report for that one!
I know I know.......
:D ::)
Tough loss for the YCP women last night. Got to give credit to the Scranton girls. They played tough defense and caused YCP to go for a long stretch with little offense (similar to the loss to UMW in the CAC championship).
I know it has to be tough on the girls right now, but after you have time to reflect on your accomplishments, you'll realize that you lifted this program to a higher level. We lose 6 super seniors. It will fall on the shoulders of April and Jamie to try to continue bringing our program along.
To the seniors, I wish you the best as you graduate and begin your next challenge. The experience you just went through is going to help you with whatever career you choose. You understand better than others the value of teamwork. Thank you for a wonderful season. I am sure it is going to be a long time before we experience 25 wins in a row. Thanks for the memories!
Does anyone know if The University of Mary Washington has a plan to retire jersey #11? - Debbie Bruen deserves that honor!
I haven't seen too many schools retire jerseys. The only one I can remember off the top of my head is Lincoln University hanging Kyle Myrick's jersey on the wall and he was still active at the time.
I do know schools who've decided not to give out a jersey anymore, but they haven't officially retired it.
Quote from: gordonmann on March 18, 2009, 11:24:32 PM
I haven't seen too many schools retire jerseys. The only one I can remember off the top of my head is Lincoln University hanging Kyle Myrick's jersey on the wall and he was still active at the time.
I do know schools who've decided not to give out a jersey anymore, but they haven't officially retired it.
http://www.umw.edu/athletics/sports/basketballwomen/default.php?a=1225
CAC's press release on Frostburg joining and Gallaudet leaving the CAC can be found here
http://www.cacsports.com/general_releases/gen0809/CACaddsFrostburgSt
Just joined the message board and hope to get a lot of info about the womens teams in the CAC this year. I, for one, will be rooting for the Eagles of Mary Washington "GO EAGLES"!!!
This is a young team but with a lot of talent. They will be adding more this season as Deena got several players from good old Northern Va to help take make up the loss of 3 talented seniors that left last year
We had 8 freshman last year but the showed they can play in this league. Great exsperiance for Wimmer & McRae as they played a lot for the Eagles and should come back stronger this season.
Marymount should be the top team in the CAC with UMW coming in a strong 2nd. York did a great job last season and they deserved everything they acomplishied but with so many graduating they will not be the same team
It will be interesting to see if Wesley, Salisbury or St. Mary's "step it up" this season and challange for the top of the division.
Only 3 months to go before the season will begin. It will be here before you know it and I for one, CAN NOT WAIT!!! [img]
Welcome Big Mac!!
I, too, am excited about the possibilities for UMW this year. As well as the other schools in the CAC.
Last year the CAC had three schools in the NCAA tournament. It will be another great year!
Since UMW has tryouts for the team, I'll be interested to see who the new talent will be. Coach Applebury is a premiere recruiter and MAYBE UMW will FINALLY get these athletes a facility to compete in. At least break ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well believe it or not I was down there moving in my daughter in Aug. and it looked like to me they were about to break ground for the new gym. It would be nice for my daughter to be able to play in it before she leaves. :)
Glad you replied to me, I was thinking I was going to have to talk with myself ;D
This board is not always so active, but the closer the season gets, the more activity is usually seen. Sometimes.
Looks like you are right! According to the NEW UMW EAGLES WEBSITE
http://www.umweagles.com/
Ground breaking will be the 17th!
I can hardly wait to see the new facility. Such a great school academically and athletically. They deserve a state of the art facility.
Only a few weeks away from the first practices. UMW should have a few new players that will be an impact right away. Reed and Martin should really step up this season. Really need Kornacki to step it up and get into shape. She can do it but will she???
I exspect McRae & Wimmer to be the leaders. Should be able to run this season. They have a lot of speed, need to use it. Very young team but a lot of talent also. Deena should get them playing well and this will be a team to watch out for. Still think Marymount will be the top seed at the begining of the season but it only counts who is there at the end ;)
Love to hear about the other teams in the CAC. Saw a lot of talent last year. Can not wait for the season to begin ;D
2009-10 UMW Roster is up!
It is a young team with two seniors and the rest sophomores and freshmen! This is going to be fun. :o
Quote from: mamadukes on October 28, 2009, 01:55:01 PM
2009-10 UMW Roster is up!
It is a young team with two seniors and the rest sophomores and freshmen! This is going to be fun. :o
It'll be fun, mama, but the roster must've changed overnight ;) 'cause I count three seniors. Reed, Lowe, and Carlezon.
http://www.umweagles.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball
Two 6'2" frosh bring new height.
So I can't count! I believe Kate is a senior academically not athletically. I could be wrong.
She was new to the team last year.
I believe you are aware how my mind works..or doesn't ::)
We'll have to keep you away from the scorer's table. ;D
Statisticians, clock operators etc are not allowed to cheer from the scorer's table. Believe me when I say I have never aspired to sit there! ;D
And what happened to Ashley Warhurst? She's not on this season's UMW roster.
Ashley decided over the summer that she did not want to play basketball any more. She is still at UMW.
Kathern Wilson also decided to quit.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 09, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
And what happened to Ashley Warhurst? She's not on this season's UMW roster.
too bad. :'(
UMW to scrimmage EMU tonight! Wish I could be there!
Leave it all out there girls!!
I'll see you at W & L
UMW begins the season with a W down in Lexington against Washington & Lee. Nice work ladies! It's a nice way to start the year!
Congratulations to UMW on a job well done in Baltimore!
http://umweagles.com/news/2009/11/22/WBB_1122091543.aspx
Should be the unrolling of the banner at UMW Wednesday. Incentive to get over last week's loss quickly, I hope.
Congratulations to Gallaudet on its win over Stevenson, breaking its conference losing streak that lasted almost 5 years!
Gallaudet's on a roll! ;D
Has anyone seen Marymount's roster???
They added some players...Tara Eddy & Beth Wiggins
http://www.marymount.edu/athletics/wbball/roster.html
Blasts from the past? ;)
Kathleen Brown's the key for MMU. Only played 5 minutes so far. Anyone know her prospects for recovery/rehab?
It does seem that most teams are only "an injury away"....
Kathleen is a volatile part of Marymount's team and I know they are feeling her absence.
Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery!!
Merry Christmas DIII folks!
Kathleen Brown must be feeling better---CAC Player Of The Week
UMW tops Randolph Macon in Fredericksburg!!
Good job Eagles!!
UMW v MMT Saturday. Predictions? If their ranking's right, it should be MMT by 25+ but I doubt that will happen. ;)
University of Mary Washington holds Marymount scoreless until almost the 10 minute mark of the first half.
Eagles defeat #5/#6 Marymount ;D Great performance by the Eagles!!!
WOW!
Score?
Sorry I don't remember 10 point or so spread. They haven't posted the score yet.
Thanks bbald. It was a wild game!
Mary Washington beats MM 65-57 with a complete Team effort. MM could not stop( or score on) the girls coming off the bench. This is what happens when you just play weak teams so you win all the time. Mary Wash plays good teams at the tournaments and the out of conferance games. MM just wants the "W"
Both are really good teams and the next game (Feb. 17) should be one to be at. Eagles, keep it up. The post players on UMW showed up today and that was the differance. But truely all the players on UMW were ready to play and showed up. I think MM was still in Arlington the first half :-*
Will someone please fix the problem at UMW with the stand that they shoot the video from so they do not have to shoot it from the floor anymore??? I was at the game today and now see why the video is so bad.
You can not see anything going on when the ball is at the other end of the court
Would you want to climb that scaffolding??? ;D
We're working on it...
Very Sweet Day :) from the tip off to the final whistle! Go Eagles! UMW never buckeled when MMT made its run.
UMW is looking good!!! Dye is stepping up and giving them some great post work. Just what they needed. Watching them UMW is big this year. Can not wait for the MMT game Feb. 17. Should be a game to be at. Let's hope Jeff & his side kick do not get the game and do their Finney favors (as they always do) need to keep their summer jobs I guess.
Wimmer and McRae are improved from last season with Reed running the point. Brooks is right there with Dye in stepping up and doing a great job. Their bench is doing a great job and they do not lose a beat with them in. Deena sure can coach. NCAA here we come? Sure hope so!!!! Keep it up Wash!!!!!
Congrats to UMW Eagles for edging into D3Hoops' Top 25! ;)
#24 Finally got back in the top 25. If (When) the eagles beat MM next week that should really move them up. This team is getting better and better every week. They are so young but doing well. Keep up the hard work "WASH" Wish the games would stop being cancelled :-\
true about the top 25,but all that matters is game on Feb.17th. I wonder if marymount will show up this time? The last game was a battle this probably gonna be just the same. I think wash has great shot to beat them mm is overrated because of their coach.
Anyone know how the tie break works if Mm and UMW end up 15-1?
Tie Breaker Format to determine seeding for CAC Championship Tournaments
1. League standing {won lost percentage or points—three for a win, one for a tie.}
2. Head to head competition
a. If one team of a three or more way tie is eliminated, recalculate the record among the remaining tied teams.
b. Record {or points} combined against all tied teams
3. Record {or points} against each conference team, {starting with the top team in the standings not involved in the tie
and moving down}
a. If one team of a three or more way tie is eliminated, recalculate the record among the remaining tied teams.
4. Coin Toss
a. If a tie still exists, the Commissioner or representiative will conduct a coin-toss procedure at the site of the event
that caused the tie (if possible), witnessed by coaches and other administrators (and game officials, if available).
b. If three or more teams are involved in the tie, the loser ("odd-man-out") of the first coin toss will be the lowest-seeded
among the tied teams.
c. The remaining tied teams will revert back to Step 2 (Head-to-head competition) of the CAC Tie Breaker Procedure
and repeat the procedure. (updated 12/8/08)
GO EAGLES ;)
BIG Game tonight!!!! Eagles need to come with the focus of the last game. Really, no pressure as they are not exspected to win. MMT is #7 and UMW is #23. Should be a fun game to watch. :o
GO EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First it was the referees, then it was the coach and now its D3 hoops poll all setting up the big no pressure for Mary Wash upset scenario.
AHem! The key rankings that really count are the NCAA Regional rankings that have Mary Wash AHEAD of Mmount. D3 hoops is not the ranking that matters. So it seems that there is pressure on MWash if it wants to keep its tournament related regional ranking. if Mmount wins that is the upset!
rorurap - sure the D3hoops.com ranking doesn't matter when it comes to the NCAA Tournament... but anyone will tell you it will probably be an upset of UMW can beat MMT twice in one season, the second game being at MMT.
And by the way, the only reason UMW is ahead of MMT... the head-to-head win UMW has... so let's call this a draw until the end of tonight.
And Marymount led at the half, by 10.
first it was the refs? Mary wash opened the first game with a 20-0 run. Why would anyone blame refs after that? I mean usually it's losing teams that blame officials, maybe I'm wrong, because I missed the message about the refs. So not sure who or why anyone is talking about the refs.Also I mentioned the coach and meant marymount gets respect because of their coach. I didn't mean over-rated I meant respected. Marymount is clearly the better team.
Each team looked nervous or tight in the other's gym. Marymount has the edge in experience; it's a top 20 team. Mary Washington is younger and has greater upside potential. Flirting with the top 25 is probably about right for it. Whichever makes the NCAAs will need to lose the nervousness. Hopefully both teams will get in.
Whatever way you look at it, this has become one of the better rivalries in D3. Until Coach Applebury came along, MM owned the conference. Now it is an ongoing battle - much more fun for those of us who don't have a dog in the fight!!
Two outstanding coaches, two outstanding programs! Great team balance, great fundamentals, high quality basketball.
What you really need is more folks posting on this board! :)
Well put Brookland!
This game has always been an exciting matchup! These two schools compete on the recruiting end as well, so it's always an interesting game.
If the weather holds, we should end the regular season and it's on to the tournament and as we've seen in the past, it 's anybody's guess as to who will win it all.
What a fabulous time of the year!
Well UMW could not get the upset. MMT played well and came out on top. Both teams played some of the best defense I have seen but MMT was making their shots and UMW was not. First game the post players really showed up and this game they did not (on offense) they did a great job on defense but were 2-19 shooting. Only 4 points will not get it done Vs MMT.
2 more games and a coin flip (maybe) to see who is the top seed. Would love to have the home court in the championship. The tournament is going to be fun!!!!
Go EAGLES!!!
I too wish more would post her and talk about the CAC ::)
from a prior post:
Let's hope Jeff & his side kick do not get the game and do their Finney favors (as they always do) need to keep their summer jobs I guess.
Guess we'll find out if Marymount's success is all due to their coach next year: http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2009-10/releases/Finney_Retires
Heck of a career.
And not a hint of this during an interesting 20-min interview on Hoopsville thursday nite; available on the archived show @ 1:48 into the show.
Thanks rorurap. I didnt know that comment was directed at officials. The "Jeff and his sidekick" reference does sound like complete sarcasm. I didnt know people knew the refs names like that. I wonder what the summer job is they have to keep? Anyway these comments just sound like a typical fan complaining. On to the games. the regular season wraps up for Mary Wash tomorrow. That could be interesting game in that if St. Marys needs the game for a home game in playoffs. Im sure Mary Wash is ready for season to be over so they can get to the playoffs. I guess we will know soon enough who gets what seed.
Bill Finney's retirement will be a real loss for the CAC, for D3, and for women's basketball in the DC area. :'(
ronk - he may not have seemed like he said anything... but in hindsight he said something I think I kidded him about the comment... and then we moved on.
Congrats to the coach on a very impressive career... that continues for a little while longer. He has represented Marymount and the CAC very well... and I have enjoyed chatting with him for a number of years now.
UMW gets the top seed in the CAC tournament!!! Who would have thought with this young team that they would be here today? Great job EAGLES!!!
Let the fun begin
Article worth reading for all of you, but in particular Marymount fans:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/21/AR2010022103422_pf.html
Wow. Just... wow.
Wow ... and Tara plans to play again next year, ending at age 27! Whew.
Thought John Chaney's Temple team was the only one that practiced at 6 am.
The automatic goes to MMT. Now UMW has to keep its fingers crossed for an at - large bid. Here's hoping.
Quote from: rorurap on February 19, 2010, 03:57:43 PM
from a prior post:
Let's hope Jeff & his side kick do not get the game and do their Finney favors (as they always do) need to keep their summer jobs I guess.
Low and behold who do we get but Jeff & Lynn and Lynn up to his old Finney Favors :-*. Jeff and the other did a good job.
After the game Lynn was over with the MU crowd getting their thanks and kisses from the players.
Too bad because the game was great with a come back almost by UMW. MU started to celebrate too soon so Lynn had to step in and help. See you in the NCAA tournament (we hope) ;D
Actually, anyone who expressed well wishes or who came near or walked through the MU celebration was thanked and kissed, including Jeff and the other who "did a good job". You would have been thanked for well wishes too, if you had come over to express them. It was a great close game that either team could have won, and a testament to the players and coaches of both teams.
Maybe I've just missed it in the 500 plus games I've been to, but I've never seen an official whooping it up with ANYBODY.
Wouldn't that be inappropriate?
Congratulations to Marymount! It was a great game.
Congratulations to Marymount and UMW for making it to the tournament!
How thrilling it is for these young ladies and their families. Make the most of it!!
Best of luck to you all!
Good luck to Mary Washington in its sixth straight NCAA tournament & good luck too to Marymount. Make retiring coach Bill Finney's final trip to the tournament special!
2009-10 All-CAC Women's Basketball Team
First Team Yr. Pos. Team Hometown/High School Previous Honors
Amanda Billy Jr. G Marymount Syracuse, N.Y./Christian Bros. Acad.
Easter Faafiti Jr. C Gallaudet Pittsburg, Calif./Pittsburg
Jenna McRae So. G Mary Washington Springfield, Va./Annandale
April Sparkman Jr. G York Walkersville, Md./Walkersville 1st in '09
Terell White Sr. G Marymount Ashburn, Va./Stone Bridge 2nd in '08
Second Team
Cory Boyd Jr. G Wesley Point Pleasant, N.J./Point Pleasant 2nd in '09
Kathleen Brown Sr. F Marymount Bethesda, Md./Walt Whitman 1st in '08, 1st in '09
Angie Owens Jr. F Wesley Seaford, Del./Seaford 1st in '09
Steph Saint-Aubin Sr. G St. Mary's Bowie, Md./Elizabeth Seton 2nd in '08, ROY in '07
Katie Wimmer So. G Mary Washington Vienna, Va./James Madison ROY in '09
2010 CAC Player of the Year: Easter Faafiti, Gallaudet
2010 CAC Rookie of the Year: Carol Dye, Mary Washington (Fr., C, Springfield, Va./Lake Braddock)
2010 CAC Coach of the Year: Bill Finney, Marymount (5th time; also in 1993, 1994, 1996, 2003)
http://www.gallaudetathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2009-10/pdf/allcacwbb0910.pdf
Congratulations to All!
Looking good for the first round. UMW by 30+ with 2:30 to go in 1st half.
Congrats UMW on advancing to the next round!!
Great defensive game and it looks like the shooting was HOT!! ;D
Good job!!
The CAC goes 2 for 2 in the first round :) On to the second round ...
You know i should let this go but I wont. I am just a fan who likes watching good basketball. I must say that the total fascination that mary Wash fans seem to have towards officials is rediculous. I watch a ton of games and must say no other message boards center around the officials. I was at the marymout vs. Mary Wash. game. I will be the first to say that is was a great game. The officials (whoever they were) did an outstanding job in that game. Now that being said I am in no way a person qualified to even judge officials. I'm also pretty certain that whoever you are Big Mac that you are not qualified either. Whoever the officials were in that game you say (Jeff and Lynn) in no way were responsible for the outcome of that game. I think I've seen them before on games of magnitude. It would seem to me that whoever they are they are doing the right things to get in those games. Im just tired of hearing how its the officials fault. I think you seem to forget they are human. Now I could be wrong you might be qualified to speak on their officiating ability, but being you have a daughter on Mary Wash. it seems like you are being very biased. I think sometimes as fans we need to take a step back and look in the mirror, and if you dont like what you see on the floor then look into officiating yourself. There was also another quote that the officials were "whopping" it up? All i can say is I was there watching the celebration and didnt see anything of the sort. Now congrats to Mary Wash and Marymount on their 1st round wins, and I hope they both continue to do well because they are good teams.
Best of luck to the CAC representatives in the NCAA tournament!
I know you will play with everything in you.
Give it all you got ladies!
UMW's McCrae scores 8 in the last 1:14 of regulation as UMW rallies to force OT with Rochester. 50-50 .
Rochester wins in OT over UMW, 61-54. :'(
b-ball fan I too should let this go but same as you I will not. I never said we lost because of the referee's. I'm tired of having these 2 referee's evertime we play MMT. They work for Finney during the summer in the power's league he runs. I beleive there is a big conflict of interest with them doing any MMT game. Now I have to say my opionion of Jeff has changed this season. He is a good ref and I think he did a fine job everytime I saw him this season.
But Lynn is a different story. I have seen him over the years at different places besides College games. I have seen him at many AAU games and It's all about HIM. He has to be the center on what is going on. He makes calls that have not been called all game. Does he win games for teams? No, Does he help teams with his call? Absolutly. I see it over and over with him.
Never said Whooping it up but if you were at the game and saw what he was doing you to would think it was fishy. A referee should NEVER go over to a team after a game and act as he did after this game. Players were going up and giving him hugs. Parents patting him on the back and talking with him. Did it mean anything? Who knows. Did it look like it meant anything, absolutly. So much so that when someone started taking pictures Jeff ran over to get Lynn out of there.
The 2 calls he made at the end(touch fouls) were not called all game but both were with 5-8 sec. left on the shot clock. It gave MMT 30 more sec. to run out the clock on UMW. Did not win the game but sure did help MMT.
Your right you do not know me, I have coached for many years and I do have the right to call an orange an orange
UMW had a great season this year. These players and coaches should hold their heads high and proud for what they have done. Being so young and still going to the NCAA tournament. Winning their first game over the #8 seed was just unbeleivable and what a game it was to watch. In the second game Vs Rochester they did not play as well but never gave up and were able to tie it up and had a chance to win it in regulation but did not get the shot. Rochester is a very good team and I wish them all the best for the rest of the tournament.
Marymount is still in it and has made it to the sweet 16. I wish them the best also next weekend.
Can not wait till next year, Go EAGLES!!!
RE: Le Big Mac and the " Big Conflict of Interest"
Bill Finney has no organizational relationship with the Powers Summer League. He is NOT allowed to. It is operated, managed, administered by someone else who selects referees from who is available and interested in working those games. Powers Summer League rents the Marymount facility. You'll have to ask the Powers League guy why he rents there, how he selects the referees etc. I would imagine you could ref there too.
"Touch fouls". Actually if more fouls were called on MWash they would have put MMt into the 1 and 1, sooner.
The only player in foul trouble throughout the game was MMT's Brown.
AAU. Yes these guys do AAU games too, all the way down to the 12 and Unders.
I have seen them doing Maryland State championship games too. Gosh they are everywhere and someone that is involved/ follows girls basketball in the greater DC area as much as you are, will see them over and over again.
MaryWash AD and Coach can discuss referee assignments and issues with the CAC commissioner/ Director of Referees.
Fnney's retirement will take him off your radar. You may have to make some adjustments to handle your referee issues.
""Touch fouls". Actually if more fouls were called on MWash they would have put MMt into the 1 and 1, sooner.
The only player in foul trouble throughout the game was MMT's Brown."
And this is what I am talking about. The fouls that he called at the end were not called ALL game. If they had many more on UMW and MMT would have been in foul trouble.
I talked with his bosses before and they even say he is nothing but a "problem" and there are always issues with him.
My "issue" is with 2 referee's but as I said The one I made a bad judgement on and I think he is doing a fine job. I really only have issues with Lynn. You should not even know that referees are there. They are to control the game and enforce the rules of the game. Watch Lynn, how he looks at the crowd to see who is saying what, talks with people during the game and will confront people during the game. And will manipulate the outcome of a game.
enough said
We'll be working with the NCAA on its video broadcast of Friday and Saturday's games at Illinois Wesleyan. You can find those broadcasts here:
http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=ncaa
If you're at the game and see a pale, skinny, balding guy, feel free to come up and say hello. If it's me, I'll say hello back. :)
MMT lost to Hope in a game both teams could have won or lost. MMT shots were off but they stayed in the game with defense. MMT could have won this game and still shot only 23.1% and was out rebounded 46-39. And for the first time I have ever seen they were 4-21 on 3 pointers.
In 27 seasons, Finney's teams compiled a 553-193 overall record, 11 Capital Athletic Conference championships (including the 2010 title) and advanced to the NCAA Division III Tournament 16 times, including 10 trips to the Sweet 16.
What a coaching career!!! All the best Bill, the CAC will not be the same :'(
Nice story in the Washington Post about the Gallaudet coach and program:
Gallaudet women's basketball coach thrives through extreme hardship
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/02/AR2010040203657.html
I know its the off season now but again I feel a need to respond to some harsh ctiticism of officials. First off there was a National Invitational Tournament for high schools held in Baltimore MD. The touney included 8 boys teams and 4 girls teams. I know its high school but these teams there were from all over the USA. Me being a person who likes to watch basketball went to Coppin St. to watch the champuionship games. Not sure if anyone knows about this but it was televised live on ESPN and ESPN2. Now you may wonder why I bring this high school tournament up? Well low and behold who is officiating the Championship game being televised live on ESPN2 but JEFF and his SIDEKICK, I think his name is lynn from reading previous posts. The female with them I think I've seen before as well. My point is this, Big mac is always looking for something to say about these guys being not fair? Even to go as far and say he has talked to their bosses? Well for these 2 to get that game would make me assume that they are doing the right things on and off the floor. This game was on ESPN2 I mean if they were as bad as you say BIG MAC and officiate unfairly then why would they get this game? In case you are wondering Big Mac, the coach from Marymount was not there! In closing I'll say this whatever grudge you have against these 2 officials is not felt by whoever they have as a boss. They seem to get all the premier games whatever the venue is. So it seems like your opinion is only shared by you. Last time I checked opinions were like noses everyone has 1. Anyway have nice off season. My last piece of advice would be try and enjoy the games next season rather than read into something that is not there to the majority!
b-ball, you are right about one thing. We all have opinions.
However, you are wrong about Big-Mac being the only one who complains about certain officials. He just happens to have the courage to speak his mind in a public forum.
Sorry Big Mac.....I should have spoken up before. You should know you are not alone. Not by a long shot!!!
To everyone questioning the calls of D3 referees, i feel that i should add that our mailman in Easton, Pa is a D3 ref on the weekends. One summer afternoon i hailed him (for our mail), i was mowing the lawn, & VERY jokingly said to him " let the Aggies win" - the look he gave me, you'd think i'd shot him in the head - i'd bet that 95% of the refs give their absolute best in calling these games. Like you said, Mamadukes, just my opinion.
And I wholeheartedly agree with you, Kate. These folks don't do it to get rich. Like D3 Players and coaches, they do it for the love of the game.
I was told once by an official that there are THREE games going on at the same time:
1-the coaches see
2-the spectators see
3-the officials see and that's the one that they make the calls on
96% of them anyway.
Wow b-ball fan, never knew because you get a game on TV it makes you a good referee?? ??? Jeff and Lynn get a lot of games in the area so chances are if you go to many games you will run into them.
I said in the last post that my opinion about Jeff has changed and I think he did a good job this season But my opinion and that of many people about Lynn has not changed and I still say he is a bad referee. One of the biggest problem with Lynn is that the games become all about him and not the players on the floor.
I have talked with his boss several times as I know him and run into him all the time at games. And he has told me that Lynn creates his own problems with the way he acts during games.
My grudge against these 2 is I want them to stop their little games they play during games and just referee the game fairly.
Thanks Mamadukes. I know there are many out there that feel the same way I do.
By the way, my opinion is my opinion, take it or leave it, your choose :-*
:D
Quote from: CAC Oldtimer on April 28, 2010, 07:00:27 PM
OK, it's the off-season, so let's take yet another look at what looks to be the only topic of discussion here.
BigMac on 3/7/10: (Jeff and Lynn)"...work for Finney during the summer in the power's (sic) league he runs. I believe there is a big conflict of interest with them doing any MMT game."
Four days later, "rorurap" posts :" "Bill Finney has no organizational relationship with the Powers Summer League."
BigMac on 2/27/10: "After the game Lynn was over with the MU crowd getting their thanks and kisses from the players. "
mamadukes on 2/27/10:"Maybe I've just missed it in the 500 plus games I've been to, but I've never seen an official whooping it up with ANYBODY."
b-ball fan on 3/6/10: "All I can say is I was there watching the celebration and didn't see anything of the sort."
BigMac on 4/27/10: "I have talked with (Lynn's) boss several times as I know him..."
That should take care of it. We'll not likely be seeing Lynn again.
BigMac on 3/11/10: "(Lynn) will manipulate the outcome of a game."
BigMac on 2/27/10: "Too bad because the game was great with a come back almost by UMW. MU started to celebrate too soon so Lynn had to step in and help."
BigMac on 4/27/10:"By the way, my opinion is my opinion, take it or leave it, your(sic) choose."
All choices in life should be as easy as this one.
Again Big Mac? Good lord it is so obvious you have a grudge against these 2 officials! I mean I tell you they on ESPN and you say they do alot of games? No it does not make you a good official to get a TV game but im thinking you must do a good job! Thats all I said because if half what you said was true these 2 offficials would be at the YMCA! You need to take your opinion elsewhere I think. You say they play little games while on floor officiating? You almost make it seem like you are an observer for the conference. Not sure what your backround is but Im sure you have never officiated at any level. Being you have a daughter on UMW taints your view in my opinoion. You keep saying you talk to their bosses? I guess my question to you would be did you talk to their bosses before your daughter was playing at UMW? Im guessing not! It seems to me from what I've read that you happen to know these 2 guys from years past and now that you see them at the college level officiating your daughters games you have a problem with them because of the past. Im just guessing but you said you've seen them around. Unless you have been following UMW games before your daughter played there. Maybe you have but I doubt it. I have watched more games than you Im sure of that. I would have to assume that officials are graded yearly and get rated. I guess Im sorry you are not a part of the grading. One more thing just because you come to a message board and complain over a grudge does not make you a hero. It almost seems like you get all amped up to complain about games that you daughter plays in. You are looking thru tainted windows. You sound like just another complaing fan. Like I said before you try officiating since you seem to have all the answers on what is right and wrong. If all you say is true you will have no problem officiating because you already know the BOSSES!
Any word on finding a successor for Coach Finney at Marymount? He has had a fabulous career and will be difficult to replace. His program is a strong one and I'm excited to see who inherits it!
What about any potential new life in the CAC in the form of new recruits?
I'm curious too, mamadukes. A lot of his former players are in coaching now, so will they draw from the family?
Perhaps MMT will name Tara Eddy player/coach? ;)
Quote from: mamadukes on May 04, 2010, 08:15:28 PM
Any word on finding a successor for Coach Finney at Marymount? He has had a fabulous career and will be difficult to replace. His program is a strong one and I'm excited to see who inherits it!
What about any potential new life in the CAC in the form of new recruits?
York has gotten 2 from Montgomery County- a post player from Georgetown Visitation and a 3-pt shooter from Good Counsel.
I expect that York will improve next year. With the loss of only one senior, the younger group has had valuable experience this year and most have played significant minutes.
UMW graduates three on Saturday. Of the nine that remain, five will be juniors and four will be sophomores. They will return the 2009 AND 2010 Rookies of the Year. I expect them to do well.
Wesley had a breakout season and graduates one.
Can't wait to see what the new season will bring. I know it's early, but this is the time when the players should work their fannies off in preparation for the fall. It'll show if they goof off............always does.
Boy, B-ball for not knowing me you sure do think you know me. As I have said many times, It's my opinion, take it or leave it but do not tell me to go elsewhere!! We live in America, home of the free and Home of FREE speech. Wish I was an observer for the CAC so I could get rid of this Referee.
Have seen Lynn years before my daughter played for UMW and he was ALWAYS a problem. Can not beleive he is a college referee but that just tells me how hard it is to get enough GOOD referees at all levels, must have to take a few idiots(Not talking about you b-ball)
No Grudge and never said hero. Only get amped up about a referee that likes having the game all about him and has, in MY opinion, manipulated the outcome of games.
Maybe if you do not like what I write YOU should stay off this message board as it seems like I have really hit a nerve with you. Probable you to see what I see but your a MMT fan and like having him on you side ;)
UMW has several new players next year coming. Sarah Jones from Bishop O'connell, Sam Partonen from Robinson SS, Brieneke Matthes from Oakton high school, Abby Diop from Annandale high school and several more that I do not know. With these players and the core still at UMW this team should be much stronger then last year and will have a great season.
This team will be young but getting more experiance each year. No seniors this year except Kate Carlezon will be back as a 5th year player. 5 Jr's, 3 Soph. (one is leaving) and the rest will be freshman. And they will have the last 2 ROY back (Katie Wimmer & Carol Dye). First team all CAC Jenna McRae,
ONLY 158 days till practices starts!!!!!
Rumors are flying about the MMT job. Several of the better high school coaches in Northern Va have been mentioned to be interested in the job. We will know soon!!!
Marymount names a new coach! Congratulations to Coach Courter and welcome home! ;D
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2009-10/releases/MU_Names_Courter_Coach
Quote from: mamadukes on June 11, 2010, 04:43:50 PM
Marymount names a new coach! Congratulations to Coach Courter and welcome home! ;D
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2009-10/releases/MU_Names_Courter_Coach
Wow, they named a new AD too! Congrats to both! And as mamadukes says, welcome home to Coach Courter!
(I had a feeling they'd go within the "family" :))
UMW's new gym is coming right along. Not sure if they will be able to use it this season but hope so. Next year for sure. Maybe be able to host NCAA tournament games :D
Wish they would post new schedule. Some in the CAC have already. Check out the "New" CAC web site: http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/index
UMW have a lot of new players coming this season. There will be cuts at tryouts. No seniors next year so it will really get interesting the following year. :o
Mary Washington has their 2010-2011 schedule up.
http://umweagles.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball
Still needs to get into Presto for the CAC site and ours.
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2010-11/schedule?team=Mary%20Washington
Marymount's ex, Bill Finney, to Maine Maritime as interim AD until October while it searches for a permanent AD!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2010/08/04/finney-named-interim-ad-at-maine-maritime.html
Sounds like he's keeping his helping hand in D3.
Update for UMW:
They have like 20 players going out for the team this year.
3-Seniors grad in 2010 but Kate Carlezon will come back as a grad student
1 Freshman Quit after season ended
So there is 10/12 new players, many from Northern Va
1 transfer from Colorado
It will be VERY competative for spots on the team this season
NO Seniors this year
Ashley Reed coming back as a asst. coach
37 days till practice begins!!!!!
Any other CAC team news out there yet???
I see that Marymount asst. coach is leaving and going to Randolf-Macon as an asst. CK Calhoun is gone. marymount has not taken her name off their web site yet,
32 days till practice begins......
10 Days till practices start. UMW has about 17 going out for the team so there will be cuts. Several have already quit.
This year looks good for the Eagles. With the players that are returning and the new freshman coming in should real fun to watch. No seniors so it will be very tough next year getting a spot.
Wondering who is MM getting this season and how well will they do with the new coach? Not much talk on this web site. I know it is early but other Regions post almost everyday. :-\
If you have any info pass it on!! ;D
Should be interesting to see if addition of Frostburg shakes up the league at all? They went 19-8 last year, don't think many teams have played them in the past few years so will be unfamiliar. Tough game to start conference play as they open up with MMT! Anyone know anything about them?
Although Marymount guard Tara Eddy was to return for another post-grad season
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/21/AR2010022103422.html (see p.3)
she isn't on the 2010-11 roster
I heard that she decided NOT to play this season
Scranton probably wishes that Tara's career would have been 1 fewer game as she lit us up for 21 points in an otherwise low-scoring 2010 NCAA 1st round game. My sense is that her efforts over her career symbolized what's best about D3 athletics.
Preseason Poll #16 Mary Washington's roster is set. There were 2 cuts and 1 red shirted player. They are at 14 on the roster. Both cuts were incoming freshman so no returning players cut. Did have 2 quit from last season before tryouts.
This looks to be a really good year for UMW. With the returning players and new freshman they could be one of the top teams this year. Hopefully they will "Jell" with one another and play as a team.
First scrimmage is Nov. 10 Vs eastern Mennoite.
Not long now.........
Here is the preseason top 25:
The Women's DIII News Top 25:
1. Amherst
2. Hope
3. Washington (Mo.)
4. Ill. Wesleyan
5. Rochester
6. Chris. Newport
7. Kean
8. Wis. Stevens Point
9. Babson
10. George Fox
11. Mt. Union
12. W. Connecticut
13. Messiah
14. St. Benedict
15. Gettysburg
16. Mary Washington
17. DePauw
18. Carthage
19. Calvin
20. Lebanon Valley
21. Roanoke
22. St. Thomas
23. Utica
24. Marymount
25. Thomas More
Others to watch include:
Southern Maine, Emmanuel, Ithaca, Cortland, La. College, Maryville, Muhlenberg, Scranton, Baruch, Moravian, DeSales, Wm. Paterson, Manhattanville, Medaille, Franklin, Ohio Wesleyan, Denison, Minn. Morris, St. Norbert, Simpson, Redlands
UMW vs. Eastern Mennonite scrimmage is @ EM in Harrisonburg, correct?
Do you know if it will be a public scrimmage? Time?
Mary Washington #17 in the D3HOOPS poll and #14 in the USA Today?WBCA National poll. Looks about the right spot for them to begin. BIG Game Vs. #5 Christopher Newport On Jan 2. First scrimmage next week Wed. and will scrimmage CNU on Sat. 11/13, I'm sure both teams will not show anything to the other :D
2010-11 Roster is up. A lot of Froshman.
It's going to be a fun year!!!!! ;D
UMW Women's Basketball Ranked #14 in USA Today/WBCA National PollEmail to a Friend | Print11/3/2010 12:46:02 PM The University of Mary Washington women's basketball team is ranked tied for 14th in the nation in the first USA Today/Women's Basketball Coaches Assoction's first poll of the year, released today.
USA TODAY ESPN Top 25 women's basketball poll, with first-place votes noted on the right, total points based on 25 points for first place through one point for 25th.
Rank Institution - First Place Votes Last Year's Final Rank Last Year's Final Record Points
1 Amherst College (Mass.) - 5 3 31-1 197
2 Hope College (Mich.) - 2 2 32-2 193
3 Illinois Wesleyan University 6 28-2 177
4 University of Rochester (N.Y.) 4 23-7 166
5 Washington University (Mo.) - 1 1 28-2 160
T6 Christopher Newport University (Va.) 10 30-1 153
T6 University of Wisconsin - Stevens Point 7 24-7 153
8 George Fox University (Ore.) 8 28-3 139
9 Kean University (N.J.) 5 29-2 131
10 DePauw University (Ind.) 14 26-4 117
11 Carthage College (Wis.) 12 24-5 111
12 Mount Union College (Ohio) 13 26-5 107
13 Babson College (Mass.) 11 28-4 102
T14 University of Mary Washington (Va.) 21 22-6 83
T14 Williams College (Mass.) 19 20-8 83
16 Messiah College (Pa.) 20 24-5 72
17 Gettysburg College (Pa.) 18 24-5 53
18 Thomas More College (Ky.) 15 26-4 43
19 Western Connecticut State University NR 23-6 41
20 Calvin College (Mich.) 22 24-5 40
21 Colby College (Maine) NR 24-5 36
22 Lebanon Valley College (Pa.) NR 23-5 29
23 Bowdoin College (Maine) 17 22-7 28
24 Saint Norbert College (Wis.) NR 23-4 27
25 College of St Benedict (Minn.) NR 21-6 21
Others Receiving Votes: Simpson College (Iowa) - 17; DeSales University (Pa.) - 15; Lewis & Clark College (Ore.) - 13; University of Chicago (Ill.) - 10; University of Scranton (Pa.) - 10; University of St. Thomas (Minn.) - 9; University of Wisconsin - La Crosse (Wis.) - 9; Whitman College (Wash.) - 8; University of Wisconsin - Whitewater (Wis.) - 7; University of Wisconsin - River Falls (Wis.) - 6; Utica College (N.Y.) - 6; Muhlenberg College (Pa.) - 5; Maryville College (Tenn.) - 4; Saint Vincents College (Pa.) - 4; Skidmore College (N.Y.) - 4; Brandeis University (Mass.) - 3; Roanoke College (Va.) - 3; Medaille College (N.Y.) - 2; Tufts University (Mass.) - 2; Marymount University (Va.) - 1.
UMW Scrimmage Vs EM cancelled for today :(
Jump Ball! Here we go ... !! ;D
Yes its fianlly here. I see some teams played last night. Did anyone see the York game last night. I heard they had some injuries already? Im curious to get to see teams early in their non-conference games to get a feel on which teams look the best. I dont like to go by pre season rankings I like to see the tems play games. Well good luck to your favorite teams.
Did not see game but Sparkman is out for this season with torn ACL. That will hurt them. Good thing is she will play next season as a 5th year student
Saw the W&L and Mary Washington game. Great win for the Generals but was that the real Mary Washington team or what? Their offensive execution was not good. Martin really was the one shining offensive star. She put on quite a show in the final few minutes. It will be interesting to see how the games against Roanoke and Randolph Macon go for you.
I was there also, Do not have a clue what happened to UMW??? 4 starters and a freshman point guard but they sure did not do it on offense. Not sure why Dena kept pulling her 2 top scorer out of the game??? If you look at the stats the Freshman point took 13 shots (made 3) McRae and Wimmer took a total of 10 shots. Point guard taking more shots then the 2 top scorers. Martin did very well at the end.
If they keep playing like this it will be a long season But W&L did play well at the end of the first half and the second half to win the game.
Not what I exspected at all
one game is not a season, but ...
let's hope for a quick turn around! :)
BigMac,
I didn't see the game but I noticed that irregularity in the stats. If you watched that point guard in high school, it would be less surprising to see that pattern - she has always been more of a 1-2 than a true point. It will be interesting to see if that changes under Coach A. In her defense, I also noted that she had 5 assists, almost all of the assists for the team. And the other 4 starters combined were only 2-17 for the game...VERY unusual for a UMW team, and for those players as individuals.
Overall, my impression was that they must have been seriously out of synch. Maybe the coach was as well. I'll bet that won't continue. If I had to put money on it, I would still pick UMW to win the conference.
UMW loses to RMC on Friday 11/19 but come back and win Over Roanoke on Sat. 11/20. They got down 15 at the begining of the game Vs. RMC but came back to make it a close game. Mistakes at the end did them in.
On Sat. played more like what I thought they would. Still having some mistakes but played more like a team. The post (Dye) stepped up and had a good game. same for McRae and Wimmer. Partonen took less shots and got the ball to the shooters more. Martain did a great job and is now a starter.
Got another tough game on Tuesday 11/23 Vs Shenandoah hope they build on their last game.
The bench needs to contribute more when they get in, they are getting chances to play more but need to step it up!!
UMW at 1-2; Marymount at 0-3; Hood at 3-0. Not the usual, for sure.
Quote from: bbald eagle on November 23, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
UMW at 1-2; Marymount at 0-3; Hood at 3-0. Not the usual, for sure.
The post-Finney era not off to such a good start, eh?
UMW gets a big win over Shenandoah. Start off strong and never look back. Looking more and more how I thought they would. Need to keep it up with the 2 loses at the begining of the season.
MMU having a tough time. I think they have a lot of injuries. Hood, York and Salisbury all starting off strong.
Keep it up UMW!!!!
Hood falls back to earth at Shenandoah who lost to UMW last week.
Marymount at Mary Washington Saturday - still the league's premier matchup?
We will have to see as it seems like MMU is down this year but I have not seen them play so I would exspect a really good game. UMW is starting to get it together as a team. They need more from all their post. They play well then they do not play well. Needs to be better for UMW to be a really good team.
The start of the season was not good but down the road a bit it might just help them, we will see.
The top 5 teams in the CAC standings have been in the league for years. The bottom 4 have joined the league in the last several years.
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/index
It'll be interesting to see if this holds true throughout the season.
Well is Marymount and Mary Washington still the premier matchup? Acoording to Big Mac Marymount was down this year. Also according to Big Mac Mary Washington was going to do big things this year. It looks to me like Marymount has sustained a bunch of injuries and Mary Wash is not as good as they have been. I will say this Saturdays game vs these 2 teams was exciting and did not dissapoint. It was a tough game for either side to lose. Both teams played well, not quite as well as in years past but just as intense. It was nice to see the post finney marymount team play well vs their rival. It is just as nice to not hear about officiating being the "reason" mary wahington lost! AKA FINNEY FAVORS. Tough loss for Mary washington but Im sure they will rebound and and go on to play well the rest of the year. Congrats to Marymount on the win.
Quote from: b-ball fan on December 14, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Well is Marymount and Mary Washington still the premier matchup?
Hard to tell. May be more parity in the top half of the league than in the recent past.
Quote from: b-ball fan on December 14, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Both teams played ... not quite as well as in years past ...
And this may be the reason that parity arrives.
b-ball fan, Also said that I had not seen them yet so we will see, If you are going to Quote me please show all of what I said. I did think UMW was going to be a very good team this season but you are right in they are not doing well. I agree it was a very good game and would have been a disapointment for both team to lose. MM got the shot off.
I will say this that UMW did not play well so to be able to keep it close was good to see. They are a much better team then they are playing right now and I just hope they can get it together before the season is over.
UMW has an opportunity today. Playing at #7 Christopher Newport at 2. Video and stats available at CNU site.
UMW did not do well at CNU today. Started off the game well but their shooting went cold again. Scored 21 points the first 10 min. of the game but could not score again the rest of the half. Not great defense by CNU as we had many good/open shots just did not hit them.
In the second half CNU continued to score and UMW keep up the misses. It was more of the same open/good shots just could not get them to go in. CS of CNU started getting her shots to fall and the game just got away from UMW. CNU is a good team and is deserving of the #7 ranking (Might be even higher) but I was at the game and it was more UMW not shooting well Vs. CNU playing great defense.
If you look at the play by play you will see CS had 14pts. the last 4:45 of the game to get her total up to the 27 she had for the game. So she had 13 pts. the first 35:05 of the game. UMW did a good job on her till the last 4:45. She is a very good shooter and you have to play good defense for 40:00 on her or she will end up with the points at the end.
I saw St. Mary's tonite against Scranton. Consider them a work in progress with only 1 upperclassman on the team. Still, they've already won 3 CAC games and could be a factor even this year. Realistically though, they need another year of players to contend at the top.
The good thing for St. Mary's is they have more players this season over the last few. I think they only had 8 players last year. I think you are right in they could be a factor this season. UMW play them next Wed. should be a good game
Anybody know why the non-CAC games Marymount had scheduled for this week were canceled?
Both were cancelled due to supposed lack of healthy players, although i see they played with 7 this past saturday
thanks, beltsh97.
Nice piece today in Washington Post on ex-CAC member school:
Easter Faafiti, Nukeitra Hayes pushing Gallaudet women's basketball to new heights
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/19/AR2011011903292.html?hpid=artslot
UMW - alone at the top again!
A win at MMT Wednesday would go a long way to cementing the #1 seed for the CAC tournament.
UMW gets the win at Marymount!!! 47-21 Holding the Saints to 4 points the 2nd half. UMW's defense is really getting good. They are shutting down other teams best players. Billy had 3 points last night. Another tough game on Wed. UMW play Ferrum
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
UMW wins the CAC!! Now onto the tournament next week. Need to win to get into the NCAA. Guess UMW will have a chance even if they do not win the CAC tournament but not a given at all. The losses at the begining of the season have really hurt their chances but they are really playing so much better now.
#4 in the country in scoring defense that is why they are doing better. Defense wins championships!!!
Are there any other UMW fans or even CAC fans out there?
Jenna McRae and Katie Wimmer are both closing in on 1000 points. Would be neat if they both get it in the same game
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
CAC Tourney time. Go Eagles!
Ouch! Neither MMT or UMW in the CAC final. York v. Wesley on Saturday, with the winner capturing its first CAC title.
Congratulations to York!
UMW Jenna McRae and Katie Wimmer both make first team all-CAC. Very disapointing year for both these players. Still can not beleive UMW did not make the NCAA tournament. But that is why you play the game and you need to show up for EVERY game.
Hopefully this will motavate this young team for next season and the players will now understand you have to keep at it even during the off season. They have the players, coach and talent, it just took so long for them to jell as a team. Need to come in at the begining of the season jelling.
Need some of the older players to come and tell them how it is done!!!
UMW ends the season being #2 in the country in scoring defense. They SHOULD have been in the NCAA tournament but did it to themselves by loseing at the begining of the season games they COULD have won and then loseing to Wesley in the CAC tournament. That loss bumped them out of the top 6 in the Atlantic region, and with a win they WOULD have been in the NCAA tournament. Should have, could have, would have but did not.
I sure hope these players remember this next season (from the very start)
One thing good is ONLY 1 graduating and Rachel Martin has had her surgery and will be back along with Kelsey Woehnker, Those 2 would have made a difference. Not much room for recruits
UMW schedule on line:
http://www.umweagles.com/schedule.aspx?path=wbball
They don't play at home until their sixth game.
UMW get's to play in their NEW Gym this season. Should be really nice
http://www.flickr.com/photos/umwadvancement/sets/72157626381557133/show/
That looks fantastic! Long time coming, I know.
91 days till UMW's first game of the season at W&L. Two players are 10 points short to reach 1000 for their careers at UMW, McRae and Wimmer
Practices start Oct. 15 for UMW. They have about 18 trying out for the team. should be a very interesting year for UMW. Hopefully it will be better then last year. They won the conference but with the loss to Wesley in the tournament did not make the NCAA tour for the first time in 6 years and that left a very bad feeling with this team and coach.
Applebury is due any day now with her first child so the begining of the season will be interesting. But knowing her she will be out there coaching sooner then most think.
UMW getting Martin and Woehkner back this season from injury's. Only Carlezon graduated and Overholt & Maksanty quit the team. McRae, Wimmer, Brooks and Martin have played together for 4 years now so that should help this team. With the play of Dye, Matthes, Partonen, Diop and Jones they should be strong off the bench. Plus hopefully a freshman will step up and be able to contrubute.
Can not wait for Nov. 15 Vs. Washington & Lee. Last season for my daughter (which really sucks, last year to watch her play) Should be able to get to most the games this year also.
Strong teams this season:
UMW
York
Marymount
Wesley & frostburg
New coaches at:
St. Mary's
Hood
Salisbury
Stevenson
Quote from: BigMac on October 11, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
With the play of Dye, Matthes, Partonen, Diop and Jones they should be strong off the bench.
One nit-picking observation: Dye and Partonen each started 25 games last year - not likely that they will be coming off the bench, IMHO. :)
I think UMW is the team to beat this year in the CAC. I am not sure that Marymount will be a serious contender; they seem to be rebuilding. Only one close-to-full-time starter back from last year. I don't know anything about their recruiting success, though, so I'm just guessing.
Brookland you are so right. Poor wording on my part. Starters should be McRae, Wimmer, Dye, Partonen and Martin but with Brooks, Diop, Matthes, Jones coming off the bench play should not drop with Subs. Have not seen any of the incoming freshman so really do not know what we are getting but I'm real excited about this season.
Can not wait to see the new gym at UMW
No CAC pre-Season All-Americans; not much from the entire area, though Muhlenburg's Alex Chili's a solid Third Team pick and from suburban DC.
Quote from: BigMac on October 11, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
Last season for my daughter (which really sucks, last year to watch her play) Should be able to get to most the games this year also.
BigMac,
Good luck to your daughter and enjoy every minute this year, it just goes to quick! I am now going through basketball withdraw, since my daughter finished her career last year.
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 17, 2011, 03:57:03 PM
No CAC pre-Season All-Americans; not much from the entire area, though Muhlenburg's Alex Chili's a solid Third Team pick and from suburban DC.
bbald eagle, in the D III news they have several UMW players as preseason all-americans:
Jenna McRae - UMW
Katie Wimmer HM- UMW
Not really a big deal as the preseason awards are all opion of how a player will play this season.
I think the team is picked and ready to go. Only a few cuts, only 1 from last season. Looking forward to the game Vs. Washington & Lee on Nov. 15
Congrats to them, Big Mac!
It may be that "the preseason awards are all opinion of how a player will play this season" but if done properly they are more than just that: they are also an evaluation and reflection of how the player played last season.
Quote from: BigMac on October 19, 2011, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on October 17, 2011, 03:57:03 PM
No CAC pre-Season All-Americans; not much from the entire area, though Muhlenburg's Alex Chili's a solid Third Team pick and from suburban DC.
bbald eagle, in the D III news they have several UMW players as preseason all-americans:
Jenna McRae - UMW
Katie Wimmer HM- UMW
Not really a big deal as the preseason awards are all opion of how a player will play this season.
I think the team is picked and ready to go. Only a few cuts, only 1 from last season. Looking forward to the game Vs. Washington & Lee on Nov. 15
I only see one UMW player a a preseason All-American on that team:
http://athletics.wheaton.edu/documents/2011/10/14/WD3News.pdf?id=211
Pat, Attached is the paper I have and it has a list of Honorable Mentions. That is where Katie Wimmer is listed. You are correct that only Jenna McRae is listed under "Top 24 selections"
I put HM by Wimmer due to this fact
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Ahh. Well, yes, if we had had TWENTY-NINE honorable mentions instead of five, I think we would have had room for some of those players!
Plus 24 regular All-Americans. Much easier to be inclusive with 53 slots. :)
WOW, Looks like a hit a nerve!! Not putting your list down at all. I'm sure it is thought out and takes a long time to do. I'm just showing someone else's opinion (and that is what your list is also, your opinion) And you are correct the D-III news selections have many more spots then yours.
I showed the list on another forum where someone was upset about only 1 Amhurst player getting a selection on D3 but I showed that D-III News also only had the same 1 selection from Amhurst.
I was responding to bbald eagle that no D-3 Hoops did not have any UMW players on it's selection but that others did. And yes my daughter is one of the UMW selections on D-III news so as a proud DAD of coarse I would like that list much, much better then yours :)
Its amazing how opinions are so biased when you have a kid playing for a team. Its one thing to be proud but another thing to totally find a pre-season stat to help your argument. Pre-season polls are opinion yes, and Im sure the people coming up with them dont have daughters playing. D3 hoops is on point with its selections. I mean I watch a lot of basketball and from what I've seen UMW is always over-rated by you big mac. Its time you take a realistic approach to your daughters team. Actually just wait one year and I'm sure your opinion will change. UMW is a solid program yes but they underachieve year after year. The 2 players you mentioned played better as freshman than they do now. They had a supporting cast then, now they have been asked to be the main components and lets be honest they have not flourished in that role. I can say that because one of them is not my daughter. Its really time to leave opinions to to people who dont have kids playing. I mean be proud of her but dont overhype or blame officials for the short comings of YOUR team. Just knowing your daughter plays for UMW really taints your objectivity. Enjoy the season all.
Just to be clear, I have no problem with Big Mac posting the D-III News preseason awards. He didn't hit a nerve with me. Pat and I were just pointing out that the two lists are significantly different in structure.
Also I have no problem with Big Mac being a homer for UMW. I'd be a homer for them too if my daughter played there.
b-ball fan, you say "UMW is a solid program yes but they underachieve year after year." That's a very strong statement. Coach Deena Applebury took this program from nowhere to a level where she was named WBCA National Coach of the Year, and you say the team underachieves year after year?
Quote from: b-ball fan on October 23, 2011, 08:19:58 PM
Its amazing how opinions are so biased when you have a kid playing for a team. Its one thing to be proud but another thing to totally find a pre-season stat to help your argument. Pre-season polls are opinion yes, and Im sure the people coming up with them dont have daughters playing. D3 hoops is on point with its selections. I mean I watch a lot of basketball and from what I've seen UMW is always over-rated by you big mac. Its time you take a realistic approach to your daughters team. Actually just wait one year and I'm sure your opinion will change. UMW is a solid program yes but they underachieve year after year. The 2 players you mentioned played better as freshman than they do now. They had a supporting cast then, now they have been asked to be the main components and lets be honest they have not flourished in that role. I can say that because one of them is not my daughter. Its really time to leave opinions to to people who dont have kids playing. I mean be proud of her but dont overhype or blame officials for the short comings of YOUR team. Just knowing your daughter plays for UMW really taints your objectivity. Enjoy the season all.
Bball fan- did not go out and find a stat for my daughter, heard about D-III News and subscribed to it. When I got the first issue was very pleasently surprised to have my daughter selected, UMW has underachieved year after year?? Are you nuts?? Applebury has taken a program that was not very good and made it a TOP D-3 team in the nation. That statement alone makes me wonder what you have been watching. And the 2 players on UMW McRae & Wimmer came in as freshman and worked their tails off to both become starters. With the other players graduated the opposing teams now focus on McRae & Wimmer and they still are top players in the CAC and in D-3. Again what are you looking at?? You must not come and watch them very much to make a statement like that.
I totally understand that these 2 list are signifcantly different from each other. And I totally respect gordonmann & Pat's selections for the preseason list. I'm a homer for UMW and I do not hide the fact my daughter plays on the team. I also am a basketball coach and I think I can judge talent with the best of them. I have always been harder on Jenna then anyone else could be. I can come on this forum with everyone else and voice my opinion so please do not tell me not to b-ball fan. If you do not like what I write do not read it
From the CAC web site:
MARY WASHINGTON juniors Katie Wimmer and Jenna McRae were a big reason Mary Washington surpassed
the 20-win mark for the seventh straight year, as the duo each scored 18 points in each of the Eagles' CAC wins the final
week of the regular season and crept closer to the 1,000-point mark ... McRae scored 18 points and added eight rebounds
in 26 minutes of play and Wimmer added 18 points, four assists, and three rebounds as the Eagles topped Stevenson on
Wedenesday .... The duo repeated those scoring marks with 18 points each in the Eagles' Saturday win over Wesley with
18 apiece ... For the week, McRae shot 13-18 from the floor, including 4-6 three pointers, with 14 rebounds ... Wimmer shot
14-22 from the field, including 4-8 three pointers to go with seven assists ... The pair committed just five turnovers combined
Not My Words but others. I see where you might think they have "Not Flourished in that role" NOT!!! You can say that because you do not have a clue what you are talking about
Next UMW game your at I would be happy to discuss this face to face. I'm the 6'8" redhead, easy to see. Just come up and tell me you are bball-fan and I would be happy to talk
Quote from: gordonmann on October 24, 2011, 11:01:54 AM
Just to be clear, I have no problem with Big Mac posting the D-III News preseason awards. He didn't hit a nerve with me. Pat and I were just pointing out that the two lists are significantly different in structure.
Also I have no problem with Big Mac being a homer for UMW. I'd be a homer for them too if my daughter played there.
Right. Just making sure it's clear to all who read this that comparing the number of players for any team on the two lists is like comparing apples and oranges.
Quote from: BigMac on October 24, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Not My Words but others. I see where you might think they have "Not Flourished in that role" NOT!!! You can say that because you do not have a clue what you are talking about
Next UMW game your at I would be happy to discuss this face to face. I'm the 6'8" redhead, easy to see. Just come up and tell me you are bball-fan and I would be happy to talk
This sounds a little bit like a threat. Please be more careful with your words and don't ask someone to take this outside.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2011, 12:09:25 AM
Quote from: BigMac on October 24, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Not My Words but others. I see where you might think they have "Not Flourished in that role" NOT!!! You can say that because you do not have a clue what you are talking about
Next UMW game your at I would be happy to discuss this face to face. I'm the 6'8" redhead, easy to see. Just come up and tell me you are bball-fan and I would be happy to talk
This sounds a little bit like a threat. Please be more careful with your words and don't ask someone to take this outside.
No,No, Not a threat, I just stand out in a crowd and am easy to see. B-ball fan keeps saying he watches UMW all the time so just thought instead of us going back and forth on this forum we could discuss this face to face. If you look back on post you will see that b-ball fan is a homer for Marymount so that is why his opinions are so tanted Vs. UMW.
All in good fun
And you are right about apples & oranges. Both list have many of the same players on it but of coarse there will be differences. I, for one, am glad that you take the time to put together the selections. Give us something to look at as the season goes along and see who is doing well and living up to the selection and who is not. You see/hear much more about all the players in D-3 then most do so like I said I respect your opinion and am glad you do this for us.
This all started because I put this post on Northeast region. I did so because someone was complaing about only 1 Amhurst player being selected. Was just trying to show that this other list also only pick 1 player from Amhurst (same one)
And I clearly stated that I liked that list because my daughter is on it, as any dad would.
D III News also puts out 24 selections for preseason All-American players and they also only have Stedman from Amhurst as a pick.
The selections are close but there are different players:
Northeast :
Stedman - Amhurst
Wurdeman - Babson
Wehner - MCLA
EAST:
Fiore - Utica
Cohen-Cortland
Parks-Vassar
Atlantic
Lucas-Wm. Paterson
McRae-UMW
Pickell-NYU-Poly
Mid-atlantic
Chili-Muhlenberg
Woerner-Catholic
Marks-Misericordia
South
Prewitt-Centre
Duncan-Greensboro
Singleton-Concordia
Great Lakes
Verkaik-Calvin
Wiedt-Mt. Union
Ernst-Kenyon
Central
Simpson-Chcago
Karsten-Wheaton
Gregorich-Wis. River falls
West
Williams-Lewis & Clark
Geske-Gust. Adolphus
Barbetti-Cort-Redlands
With Taylor Simpson - Player of the Year
With 29 players as Honorable Mention
I will go with this list as my daughter is selected under Atlantic on this list and not on D-3 Hoops list
Bball-fan just loves to respond to my post
Sorry you ended up spending money on DIII News, though ... we provide much more for free but if you feel like a donation we will never argue. :)
Yes yours is free and a great service to all. I just got it because it's my daughters last season and wanted to get all the news I could. You guys do a great job and I really apprechiate what you do. We in the D-3 would be in the dark most the time if it was not for D-3 Hoops, Thanks!!
Top 25 preseason poll out and UMW is #36 on the list. I think UMW needs to earn their way up the poll as last season ended poorly. Hope this makes the player hungry to move up. Really need to get off to a better start.
Scrimmage at EMU on 11/8 at 6:00 and Vs. Catholic on 11/12 at 2:00.(in the new gym) Season begins at W&L on Nov. 15
Go eagles!!!
2 hours to tip. Let's Go, Eagles!
UMW's Wimmer reaches the 1,000 point mark in first game of the season.
UMW's McRae hits the 1,000 point mark too in the win. The Daily Double!
Good first game for UMW. Have a ways to go but much better start then last season. Tough games this weekend at RM tour. Was very happy to be at the game and watch Jenna McRae and Katie Wimmer both get 1000 points!! Best of friends, best of teammates why not get this together also. Hard to beleive that after 3 years of playing together there was 1 point difference between them.
http://umweagles.com/news/2011/11/15/WBB_1115114436.aspx
BigMac,
Congrats to the Eagles and especially both of "your" girls! I watched them play AAU years ago and could tell even then that they had each others' backs. I agree that it is a great story (and pretty amazing) that they reached the 1000 point milestone within minutes of each other!
And I'm still picking UMW for the conference title this year - even though I don't have a daughter on the team (or even in the league!), so I don't know why I'm "so biased"...(Sorry, b-ballfan I couldn't resist :))
Great Post, Brookland. 8-)
bbald eagle,
Just "Callin it like I see it!" ;)
I got to watch the Marymount 74-60 win over Lynchburg. Katelyn Fischer had a career night, with 29 points, 11 rebounds and 7 assists. Sam Spencer added 17. However, as well as the team played, I still don't think they will be a contender for the CAC title. Rather than an indication of a really sound team, I believe the game simply reflected a good night under circumstances that aren't likely to recur.
First of all, they simply had an outstanding shooting night (48% overall and 57% from beyond the arc). Although this was partly because of their aggressive scheme to break guards free off of screens and picks, it was also aided somewhat by hesitant defensive guard play from the Hornets. I am NOT taking away from their ability, however. If you let these ladies hit some uncontested shots and get into a rythm, look out! I just doubt that will happen against the top CAC teams...
Secondly, and more importantly, it seemed to me that the refs may have made a conscious decision to "let them play" due to the very late start of the game (about an hour behind schedule with a following game yet to be played). The Marymount posts are wide-bodied players with low centers of gravity and they use it very well to muscle their opponents aside. The Lynchburg players sometimes appeared to be overpowered with physical contact that (in my opinion) could easily have been called for fouls but was not. Lynchburg players hit the floor numerous times and one could hear skin-on-skin contact but Marymount was called for only 12 fouls. That allowed Marymount to make it through the game with only 8 players on the roster without needing to sit a single starter for foul trouble.
You might say that that this sounds like sour grapes, but the following day, without the same time pressure, Marymount was called for 31 fouls. Of their 8 players, 2 fouled out, three finished with 4 fouls and 3 finished with 3 fouls in a 65-54 loss to Manhattanville. I really think the difference was not style of play, but style of refereeing...
So, my conclusion: Marymount has some real talent but little depth, and won't contend. Until someone proves otherwise, I still see UMW and York as the front-runners, in that order...
#24! :) Marymount next.
Congratulations to UMW's Coach Deena Applebury on her 200th career win.
Hey, where did everybody go? No posts in almost a month? Is the CAC that boring this season?!
Brookland,
More lively in the CAC before CUA jumped ship, I guess. ;-)
Here's an NCAA piece on UMW for your enjoyment
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women/article/2012-01-30/reaping-benefits
And maybe the NCAA site is more prestigious but more D3 fans read D3hoops.com than find their way to where the NCAA shunts D3 stories: Mary Washington in Around the Region (http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/atlantic-mid-atlantic/2011-12/this-is-it-for-senior-class).
No slight intended, Pat. I figured those who frequent D3hoops boards would have already read Around the Region. :-)
By the way, a belated thanks for both references. Good stuff!!
Speaking of CUA jumping ship, they seem to be playing better ball since moving North. I imagine the move helped their recruiting. They've always been a bit of an odd match with any of the local conferences, and a glance at their roster tells why. Of 18 current players, NONE from DC, MD or VA. Only 4 from south of the Mason Dixon line, and 11 from NY, NJ and PA (other Landmark Conference school states). It makes me wonder if they get more fans at their away games... :)
Brookland,
Even more remarkable in that there are 18 players on the roster. Looks like they're having a good season, too. Good luck against Juniata.
York - UMW for first in the CAC. Tight at half.
CNU's presence should make the CAC's women's basketball league stronger.
Heck yes, practically every sport will be stronger with CNU!
I really thought we were going to have this about a decade ago. But the CAC progressed very slowly back then.
UMW Women's Basketball 25-0!!!
What a great regular season for this team but it's not over yet.
CAC tournament starts Tuesday 2/21, UMW plays on Thursday 2/23
One Game At A Time!!!!!
Agreed... I remember a season quite awhile back where UMW was undefeated before tripping to Marymount in the CAC championship game.
I remember you and I calling a game like that. Marymount jumped out to a huge lead.
That was it... UMW couldn't complete the comeback.
UMW hosts York today in men's and women's CAC championship games. :)
UMW CAC Champs: NCAAs next!
UMW Women win the CAC Championship in a great game Vs. a very good York team. No upset,
27-0!!!! Now onto the NCAA tournament.
CAC awards announced and congrads to all that received these awards but I do not get how the 27-0 UMW team gets only 2 players on the first team but the second place 22-5 York team (that UMW beat 3 times ) get 2 players on First team and 2 players on second team?? And how Fisher from the 14-13 Marymount team makes POY?? I get the fact that they only look at stats but look deeper and see yes she scored 17.7 points per game but she also played 39.1 min. per game to do this and all her other stats also. Sparkman from York scored 16.3 PPG but played 35.4 min per game, even Hicks scored 12.8 but played 31.9 min per game.
McRae scored 12.8 but only played 27.3 min per game and Wimmer scored 12.7 PPG but only played 27.1 min per game. Do they not look at how many min. it takes a player to get that many points?? Fisher played 39 min a game so that means she is in there at the end of blow outs JUST to get more points. WHAT A BUNCH OF BS!!! Look at what players do in the time THEY PLAY not just the end result of being in games when it has been decided and they are just padding their stats.
Fisher: Points per min played-.45
Sparkman: points per min played-.46
Hicks: points per min played-.40
McRae: points per min played-.47
Wimmer: points per min played-.47
27-0!! , Mcrae & Wimmer should be Co- Players of the year for the CAC. Hands down
BigMac,
I don't think you are alone in thinking that one of the Eagles' big two should have earned the Player of the Year. I think there was some surprise from people around the league that Jenna or Katie did not win the Player of the Year. However, I am a little surprised that you feel it was wrong for York to receive four all-conference players. In looking at the numbers, it appears that a case could be made for all four Spartans on the team. UMW revolves around two great players and they are surrounded by a strong core of players that provide them with great depth and ability. That is what makes them a great team. The York squad (if you analyze playing time) is basically the five starters so they are going to accumulate a bulk of the statistics. One of the reasons UMW beat York three times was that tremendous depth that allowed the Eagles to wear down the Spartans over the course of the game. I think you would agree in seeing the three games between the two teams, that depth was the difference in each Eagle victory. That and the great senior play of McRae and Wimmer.
I would be interested to hear who you would remove from the team and who you would replace them with. In analyzing the teams, I think there would be a few players you would remove before you got to any of the four York players. Their statistics are higher because they had to be. Don't penalize them because they had to play major minutes in order for the team to win 22 games. I also don't think you should penalize the UMW players because they didn't need to play (either by blow out or because of depth) as many minutes. However, you are never sure what is important to each voting coach.
I think anyone that has watched any CAC women's basketball this year, it was obvious how good UMW was this year. They accomplished a perfect regular season and a CAC Tournament championship and I congratulate them for that. It was an incredible season.
Good luck to the Eagles in the NCAA Tournament. They have a great chance for a deep run.
GO SPARTANS!
BigMac,
I don't think UMW players could have been co-POYs. It looks to me like only one UMW player could have been considered for POY.
CAC rules say "Coaches will nominate players for ... Player of the Year" and "Each CAC team will be able to nominate one candidate" for POY.
http://www.cacsports.com/information/handbook/Section_III_-_Policies_-_Procedures.pdf
Congratulations to the UMW Eagles for a fabulous season (so far) ;D Mama will be watching you this weekend, even if I can't be there. I so enjoyed the game on Saturday!!! Love you all!!!
Well when you have fewer players, and a ton of injuries all year long, then your best player will get a ton of minutes.............. UMW could have played its 2 stars for 40 minutes and in the many blowout games they could have really padded their stats. I think the POY is more than just points, but overall quality of play, at least one would hope that the coaches voting, had that as its criteria.
Thanks YCP for your input. I did not say that the York players did not deserve their awards but I was very surprised that they got 4 players and UMW had just the 2. If UMW had 4 also I would be fine with that, just was thinking if your team beats every team they play that they would have the better players on that team so should have more 1st/2nd team player then the teams you beat.
York has good players, Always a battle when we play them. And the 4 that were chosen deserve to be voted in BUT we beat you 3 times, I would think we have good players also, maybe even better players, so why did they not get recognized for their play also??
So what the coaches have said is UMW only has 2 good players, that won everything and beat everyone but out of those 2 players nether was better then a player who lead her team to a 14-13 season??
And Sparkman deserves the POY also.
I did not know coaches could only put 1 player up for POY. This might be why Jenna and Katie did not get it. They are so close in every aspect of their games and if one does something better then the other, the other does something better then them, that this could have split the vote for them and let Fisher get it.Had to be very hard for coach Applebury to pick between them.
Jenna and Katie both lose out because they do not have to play as much as other players on other teams. Another reason why UMW is so good, we have a bench this year!!! Just seems to me that some of these other players do not need to be in the games as long as they are and it's all about making sure they get their stats every night.
I'll take the "W" every night anyday!!
Oh well, just wanted to state my opinion about this and get it off my chest. UMW has had a great season and it has been so much fun to watch. I'm really glad York also got into the tournament, well deserved and I wish them all the best (unless we meet again :)
If I understand the rules of All Conference players, they have to be nominated. By their coach? Coach Applebury is a fabulous coach, but I don't think she'd nominate everybody on the team. Not her style. Her style of not letting players play 40 minutes has been most successful. I don't doubt that if you ask her players (present and past) if they'd rather win and play in the NCAA Tournament or make all conference team they would rather win.
UMW went undefeated all the way through the conference championship this year. It's not the first year she has had an undefeated regular season. The success of the program speaks for itself. Jenna and Katie are phenomenal players and human beings. Wanna bet they are OK with this? Those girls know there is no 'i' in team. (sorry....just had to throw that old saying in there).
Personally I hope this discussion is rendered moot by a UMW appearance in the Final Four... ;)
"My" conference is the ODAC but I am rooting for the Eagles to go all the way. It's not that I disrespect "our" team, Guilford. I'd be thrilled to see them do the same. But, I have seen so many of the UMW ladies play in high school and AAU that they almost feel like a home team to me...
I have great respect for Coach Applebury and her style of play. No "stars", no prima donnas, everybody plays defense, everybody hustles, and the whole is usually greater than the sum of the parts. To excel in her system is a real accomplishment.
Good luck Eagles!!
Thanks Brookland! Now the ladies have another step to take. Past Messiah to the Sweet Sixteen. I wish them the best!! You are right, Coach Applebury has not stars. The team is the star!!
My love and support to the UMW Eagles tonight!!
Good first round results for the CAC: UMW and York both advance. Good luck to both teams tonight. Hope to see them both make the Sweet Sixteen!
Yes, good luck to both CAC teams ( UMW and York) it would be great if both get to the next round. Katie steps up big time for UMW with their win over Keuka.
UMW with a heartstopping comeback win 53-50 over Messiah! On to the Sweet 16! Go Eagles!
Heartstopping is right!! I'm almost glad I wasn't there. I would have been passed out between the bleachers with that ending! Go Eagles!!!!!
Congrats to York and UMW on the Sweet 16. York dominated a very good Juniata team (don't let the 9 point margin fool you, it was a 19 point game when York subbed out the starters). York averaged 88 points per game in their last two games and shot 66% against Juniata. Those battles with Mary Washington during the CAC season has served the Spartans well during the NCAA Tournament. Now on to Amherst for the Spartans and a date with the #1 Lord Jeffs.
Good luck to both squads in the Sweet 16.
Congrats & good luck to York. Nice to have 2 CAC teams in the Sweet 16. Looks likes UMW gets to host the rounds of 16 and 8. Go Eagles.
Did you hear for certain that UMW will host?
The NCAA has to fly teams that are 500 miles away from a sectional site. Here's the mileage to UMW from the other three participants:
Leb Val: 187
Bowdoin: 621
George Fox: 2,886
Here's the mileage to Leb Val:
UMW: 186
Bowdoin: 496
Georg Fox: 2,808
Bowdoin is right on the fringe of being able to drive to Leb Val by the NCAA's guidelines. So the NCAA could put the sectional there and only fly one team.
So much for that theory. George Fox fans are making plans to go to Arlington. UMW hosts.
According to this: https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
Bowdoin is 496 miles away from Leb Valley, which falls below the 500 mile mark. GF will have to fly anywhere to matter where the sectional is, but if it's in Leb Valley the NCAA only has to fly 1 in (George Fox), but if it's at Mary Washington the NCAA will have to fly 2 (Bowdoin & GF)
GMann - Yep. It was on the brackets on the NCAA website.
If George Fox goes to Arlington, VA, though they'll be a good distance from UMW & have to fight I-95 Friday traffic to drive to Fredericksburg. ;-)
GMann - Don't know what cost different would be, but is easier drive north to Fredericksburg from Richmond if you fly into Richmond International Airport. Way better than dealing with DC traffic. Campus is half way between either city.
bbald eagle or anyone else, any idea when tix might be available?
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 04, 2012, 02:47:20 PM
GMann - Yep. It was on the brackets on the NCAA website.
If George Fox goes to Arlington, VA, though they'll be a good distance from UMW & have to fight I-95 Friday traffic to drive to Fredericksburg. ;-)
And on D3hoops Twitter at 11:45 a.m. ET.
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2012, 12:15:09 PM
Did you hear for certain that UMW will host?
The NCAA has to fly teams that are 500 miles away from a sectional site. Here's the mileage to UMW from the other three participants:
Leb Val: 187
Bowdoin: 621
George Fox: 2,886
Here's the mileage to Leb Val:
UMW: 186
Bowdoin: 496
Georg Fox: 2,808
Bowdoin is right on the fringe of being able to drive to Leb Val by the NCAA's guidelines. So the NCAA could put the sectional there and only fly one team.
So the penny-pinching suits from Indianapolis decided to ease their pinch and fly
two teams instead of one. Great! talk about logic, consistency, and financial responsibility ....
Oops! Sorry. I got UMW and Marymount's geographic location confused.
Yeah, Warren. The only thing I can really think of is perhaps they had a budget as to how many teams they could fly, and having used three the first weekend, plus Tufts and George Fox, perhaps they had one more they could spring for.
Quote from: gordonmann on March 04, 2012, 10:59:42 PM
Oops! Sorry. I got UMW and Marymount's geographic location confused.
Somewhere, Bill Finney is smiling. :)
Bill still follows Division III basketball very closely, by the way!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
Bill still follows Division III basketball very closely, by the way!
Just out of curiosity, who is Bill Finney?
Bill was the long time head coach of Marymount who retired at the end of the 2010 season with 553 wins. He was the first president of the CAC and he's an expert on women's Division III basketball level. You can read more about him here:
http://www.marymount.edu/newsEvents/MUToday/issue72/legacy.aspx
Congrats to UMW on winning the regional and good luck in the sectional. I've been aware of your program ever since the victory over Scranton in the Sweet 16 game of 2007, shattering the 63-game home winning streak. Messiah was a good team this year, although I suspect Katelyn Vanderhoff was less than 100%. Now you get another well-coached team in Lebanon Valley.
From the boxscore, it looks like Amanda Witmer made a significant contribution to the victory; she was the best player on a weak team at my neighborhood school(Magruder) and I was uncertain how well she would do at a program with UMW's aspirations.
No fighting I-95, Bruins should be in Fredericksburg before sunset. (not sure of drive time between there and DC) Although they have business to attend to I hope they are able to get out and experience some of your areas rich history. I don't know much about each team in our bracket but kudos to your seasons and congrats in making it this far. Should be some awesome games this weekend!
Quote from: Manny24 on March 07, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
I hope they are able to get out and experience some of your areas rich history.
The Mary Washington campus itself was part of a battlefield in the Civil War and abuts the battlefield park:
http://www.nps.gov/frsp/fredhist.htm
Thank You for the read. To reflect on all that took place on the same ground that we are battling for a chance to merely move on in a basketball game 150 years later is humbling. I hope the team can absord the surroundings they are in as well as focus on the task at hand.
My wife and I will be at the sectional. Any recommendations on restaurants? Something that says, "Thanks for coming to the basketball games with me even though you don't really like sports?" :)
Gordonmann,
Take a look at Ristorante Renato (www.rrenato.com). It's a few blocks from campus, very romantic, great food. No big screen TVs or raucus sprts fans. Might do the trick for you. :)
Quote from: gordonmann on March 08, 2012, 10:25:27 AM
My wife and I will be at the sectional. Any recommendations on restaurants? Something that says, "Thanks for coming to the basketball games with me even though you don't really like sports?" :)
Looks like my suspicion that you'd be working at UMW this weekend was correct. My wife likes sports in general; she just can't stand sneakers squeeking on a basketball court. Enjoy the weekend, Gordon.
Ronk:
Yep. You ended up being right.
Brookland:
Excellent. Thanks.
By the way, if anyone wants to stop by and say hello, I'll be the guy in the Detroit Tigers hat with the red goatee.
Go Bruins!!!!
This is a beautiful facility. The nicest home locker room I've ever seen at this level.
Eagle Nation!!!! Elite 8!!!!
Big win tonight for UMW. What a game. George Fox next
30-0 Vs. 30-0. WOW!!!!
Quote from: 7express on March 04, 2012, 02:16:20 PM
According to this: https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
Bowdoin is 496 miles away from Leb Valley, which falls below the 500 mile mark. GF will have to fly anywhere to matter where the sectional is, but if it's in Leb Valley the NCAA only has to fly 1 in (George Fox), but if it's at Mary Washington the NCAA will have to fly 2 (Bowdoin & GF)
You know the interesting thing is that if you use this NCAA site to calculate the distance, depending on which team you put first, you get two different answers. Bowdoin to Lebanon Valley - 496. Lebanon Valley to Bowdoin - 500. Interestingly enough, when the full bracket came out, I made a spread sheet of all distances in the George Fox bracket using the same NCAA mileage site, and Lebanon Valley to Bowdoin came up as 501. So, depending on how/when you use the site the NCAA followed their stated criteria. Now as to why the order makes a difference, that's a great question for someone to ask the NCAA. Not that it really matters at this point.
Great victory by the Bruins today, shooting 72.9% in the second half! Bruins all the way!
BlueZoneBruin
UMW gets its first loss of the season in the Elite 8 game Vs George Fox. 30-1. Great season for UMW. Tonight they lost to a better team. GF shot the lights out and are only the 4th team to score 50 or more points Vs UMW
Jenna McRae and Katie Wimmer end up with the same total points over the 4 years - 1383
This was a year to remember, what a great run. These players and coaches should be VERY proud of what they have done this season
All the best to GF wish them well in the final four
Eagle Nation!!!!
Gordon,
Now that you've seen the Bruins play twice, I'd love to get your thoughts. Perhaps you're going to write something that will go up on the site this week, so I don't want to steal the punchline. Still, I'd love your initial gut level reaction.
Great season by the Eagles. Thanks for being such great hosts! I heard nothing but incredible things about your facility. (And thanks for getting the live stats issue straightened away for today!)
BlueZoneBruin
Total class act by George Fox by going to their locker room and not doing their celebrating on the floor in front of UMW. I think they were suppose to cut the net down and they did not even do that. Thank you so much for showing sportsmanship and understanding the feelings of our players and mostly our seniors.
You do not see that everyday and how nice it was.
Rooting for GF to win it all!!
Congratulations to George Fox! You now have fans in Virginia! Best of luck as you continue your journey to the Perfect Season!
It's been a great four years, UMW Seniors! Happily, I'm not done seeing you, just watching you play. You will always be 'The Freshmen' to me. 30-1 ain't nothing to complain about. The new facilities have been well broken in so the teams in the future have an inspiration.
Love to you all!!!
Blue Zone:
I'll post my thoughts on the NWC message board.
Thanks to everyone at UMW for making it a memorable weekend. The University, particularly Sports Information Director Clint Often, were great hosts. I enjoyed talking to folks around the program and the facility is first rate. Coach Applebury's husband showed me the old facility. I didn't realize it was built on top of a swimming pool.
I was very impressed by the game night atmosphere. The student section was energetic and very positive. If they said anything negative toward any of the teams, I didn't hear it. The Eagles also have the best mascot I've ever seen. She was energetic, funny and uninhibited -- very rare for Division III mascots. She was even out meeting some of the fans and thanking them for coming to the game before she put on her costume. She's a great ambassador for the program, with and without the bird outfit. :)
Some people have already found the interview but I sat down with sophomore Sam Partonen before the George Fox game. She's a nice floor general for the Eagles going forward. Here's what she had to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib4UbvqbI8o
Great year, and great weekend Eagles! Good luck to George Fox at the Final Four; they're a great team.
Congratulations to Jenna McRae and Katie Wimmer from UMW for both making 2nd team all region team and to Coach Applebury for being Coach of the year.
Very well deserved for all.
In a really good game George Fox beats Amhurst. Go Bruins
This is so true and I'm glad it's not just me seeing it this way. In the D-3 NCAA tournament it was the same if not worse. Something needs to be done as it takes away from the game.
http://www.theday.com/article/20120403/SPORT01/304039933/-1/SPORT
I hate the inconsistency in women's basketball. Foul for a bump or reach in with no contact, then totally miss huge contact fouls. Don't know an answer...just wish it would improve.
4 way tie for first with each team having a league loss. looks like the CAC may be up for grabs this year.
Familiar faces in the CAC championship game tomorrow. UMW at MMT at 2.
A Sighting?? was that the ghost of Bill Finney at today's game???
Bill was in town; I understand he was at Scranton's shoot-around for Assistant Coach Steph Witko.
Bill's "ghost" came through for MMT in the CAC Championship. ;D Good luck to MMT in the NCAA tourney.
Christopher Newport claimed its spot atop the CAC's women's basketball totem pole before formally joining the league.
We've released our All-Americans. Congratulations to Katelyn Fischer.
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2013/03/womens-all-americans
Congrats to Tia Perry. I met her parents a few years ago in the stands. Nice family!
http://cnusports.com/news/2013/6/25/WBB_0625132943.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2013/6/25/WBB_0625132943.aspx)
Another Hoopsville episode is lined up for tonight (Sunday, January 26). Join us as we catch up on the last few days and talk to #11 York (Pa.) WBB coach Betsy Witman and the following guests:
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- #13 Montclair St. WBB coach Karin Harvey
- Babson MBB coach Stephen Brennan
- Guilford MBB coach Tom Palombo
- Plus we introduce you to Division III athletes, a capella, and a great recruiting tool for Washington College.
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Saw the most entertaining women's hoops game yesterday at The Freeman. CNU edges York in overtime. York hit a 3 with about one second left to send it in overtime. I thought for sure York had momentum then and would win. But CNU fought back and had two players with double doubles. Now, if I could have watched the game not sitting in front of a CNU student trying to explain the rules to his parents........and he was wrong more often that right, I may have enjoyed the game with lower blood pressure.
I hope anyone from York that attended, and they were quite a few, that other than the outcome, you had an awesome experience with about 2,000 fans, and the band, and dance team, and cheerleaders, and tons of students.
Yesterday's results make the standings and tournament picture more interesting.
UMW 74 - CNU 44; surprising win let alone site and margin of victory; what happened?
I think the combination of MW playing well and CNU's best player getting hurt in the first half made for a disaster....when I first saw the score, I thought it had to be an error.
Any chance you can move this string back over to Women's Basketball where it used to be and where it belongs? ;D Thanks
Thanks for the heads-up. When I moved it from the Atlantic to Mid-Atlantic, I moved it to the wrong Mid-Atlantic. :)
I was wondering where this board went..... :)
Sure hope that Marymount has their live stats operational for the Championship game of their opening tournament. It was tough going to bed last night wondering how our DVC Aggies had done in their first game of the season. Looking forward to watching live stats at 5!
The CAC today announced the 25 players recognized as its Silver Anniversary Team in women's basketball: http://www.umweagles.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/wbcacsilverteam (http://www.umweagles.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/wbcacsilverteam)
Congratulations to all the honorees.
Marymount Hands Salisbury First CAC Loss
http://www.cacsports.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/releases/feb_18_wbb_recap
Go figure.
Half time of CAC Championship Game: UMW 29 Salisbury 23.
UMW/Salisbury 57-57 tie at end of regulation. Onto OT.
65-65 at end of OT. Onto Double OT.
CAC Champion: Salisbury, 74-68 over UMW in double OT.
As the basketball spins... there continue to be incredible stories around Division III as we get further into conference schedules. Teams leading conferences that no one suspected, programs finding success with alums at the helm, and Division III making national headlines but not for the obvious reasons. Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to those still proving people wrong as the season enters the second half.
Dave is in San Antonio for the NCAA Convention, so tonight's show is pre-recorded. Dave talked to most of the guests before some played their midweek games. The pre-recorded show along with podcast will be available starting at 7pm ET here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan14
Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Dr. Oliver Eslinger, Caltech men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Rob deGrandpre, Hilbert men's coach
- Kelly Dunne, Nazareth women's coach
- Zach Filzen, No. 22 Lancaster Bible men's coach (Gordon Mann interview)
- Ashlee Rogers, Marymount women's coach
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For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.
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Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:
Time | Guest | School |
10:15am | Connie Tilley | St. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court |
10:40am | Jamie Purdy | Peidmont (WBB) |
11:00am | Keri Carollo | UW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
11:20am | Brent Pollari | Saint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB) |
11:40am | Kent Madsen | No. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB) |
12:00pm | Russell Loyd | Rose-Hulman (MBB) |
12:20pm | Kevin Broderick | Nazareth (MBB) |
12:40pm | Justin Scott | Arcadia (MBB) |
1:00pm | Sam Hargraves | No. 12 Alma (MBB) |
1:20pm | Lenny Reich | Mount Union (SID) |
1:40pm | Maureen Webster | Clarkson (WBB) |
2:00pm | Betsy Witman | York (Pa.) (WBB) |
2:20pm | Sara Lee | Denison (WBB) |
2:40pm | Klay Kneuppel | Wisconsin Lutheran (MBB) |
3:00pm | Brian Van Haaften | Buena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair |
3:30pm | Sydney Moss | No. 1 Thomas More (WBB) |
3:45pm | Aaron Rousell | Bucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach |
4:00pm | Tim Shanahan | Staten Island (WBB) |
4:20 | Pat Cunningham | Trinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner |
4:50pm | Bubba Smith | Sewanee (MBB) |
5:15pm | Ben Strong | Former Guilford All-American |
5:30pm | Kevin Connors | ESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus |
6:00pm | Kristen Dowling | Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB) |
6:20pm | Allison Coleman | Sage (WBB) |
6:40pm | Landry Kosmalski | Swarthmore (MBB) |
7:00pm | Dave Niland | No. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB) |
7:20pm | Aaron Galletta | Lasell (MBB) |
7:40pm | John Baron | Gwynedd-Mercy (MBB) |
8:00pm | | |
8:20pm | | |
8:40pm | Melissa Hodgdon | Wheaton (Mass.) (WBB) |
9:00pm | G.P. Gromacki | No. 2 Amherst (WBB) |
9:20pm | James Wagner | |
9:40pm | HAPPY HOUR | Free-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun! |
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Alright, folks -- the NCAA's first women's basketball regional rankings are posted. Check out the full list from D3hoops.com:
http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
This board is dead. Anyone watching? What in the world did I see last night. #18 CNU vs #23 UMW. Halftime CNU was up 42-8. (Not a typo).
Final score CNU wins 59-53. So 2nd half score was 45-17 UMW. Talk about 2 totally different games!
I imagine that Coach Applebury got the attention of her players at halftime....
That game had the potential to be the biggest monumental collapse I think I've ever heard of...unbelievable.
Quote from: ronk on February 11, 2016, 09:44:22 AM
I imagine that Coach Applebury got the attention of her players at halftime....
The coach needs to take her halftime speech and sell it on ebay!!! Whatever was said, worked!
Just noticed half of the Women's teams ranked in the Middle Atlantic Region by the NCAA are CAC teams. Impressive.
Indeed...the Lady Captains move up two spots to #16, after going 2-0 last week. If the CNU women win their next two games, which are both at home, they'll clinch the regular season title and home court advantage throughout the tournament...how sweet would that be? Their last game against Marymount will be a tough one, but it will likely be for all the marbles...can't wait!
GO LADY CAPS!
I will be out of town this weekend. Hopefully get to relax a little on the OBX.
Well, the Lady Captains won last night, but it was ugly...a freshman basically bailed 'em out with some huge 3s...didn't see that kind of struggle coming. I know these girls are young, but they have to find a way to battle through adversity better...I hope it will come in time.
Now, on to Saturday...Marymount comes to town with first place going to the winner...it doesn't get any bigger than this during the regular season!
GO LADY CAPS!
Enjoy your mini vacay, CNU85, but make sure you're back for the conference tournament next week!
There isn't that much time left in the regular season as teams continue to fight to get into conference tournaments and position themselves for hopefully NCAA tournament bids. Second round of Regional Rankings are also out with plenty of answers... and questions. Plus, some teams are putting on some shows recently including a lot of buzzer beaters!
On Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh rolls up his sleeves and takes a look at what is happening as we head into the last ten days of the regular season. McHugh will also get some insight on Wednesday's insane men's basketball game between Lynchburg and No. 21 Roanoke. Plus, get a preview of the NESCAC men's and women's tournaments along with talking to ranked teams on both the men's and women's side.
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- Alex Graves, Lynchburg senior forward
- Howard Herman, Berkshire Eagle, NESCAC tournaments preview
- Brian Morehouse, No. 3 Hope women's coach
- Bill Broderick, No. 16 Christopher Newport women's coach
- Tom Curle, No. 23 Plattsburgh State men's coach
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Marymount controlled the whole game, pretty much, winning the CAC title. CNU is #2 seed; Mary Wash #3. York is #4, Salisbury #5, and St. Mary's wins the three-way tie for 6th place.
Tough loss for the Lady Caps...I don't want to be overly critical of such a young team, who's probably overachieved, but the girls down low have to be better around the basket. They missed a lot of close ones, again...just need to focus on Thursday now, which will likely be against Mary Wash...a tough semifinal, for sure!
GO LADY CAPS!
The Lady Captains drop 5 spots in the latest poll to #21, just in front of Mary Wash at #22...have to win Thursday for a shot at redemption on Saturday!
GO LADY CAPS!
Around the Mid-Atlantic column dropped this afternoon - Marymount is the feature story. http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/mid-atlantic/2015-16/marymount-women-top-cac
Okay, Lady Captains, Mary Wash is coming to town with revenge on their mind...be intense, confident and take it to 'em!
GO LADY CAPS!
I'm a bit perplexed Marymount is somewhat overlooked. They are behind CNU and UMW in both the top 25 poll (only receiving votes) and NCAA regional ranking. Yet they win the conference, swept CNU and split with UMW. This might serve them well in the tourney...a chip on their shoulder. I would be ticked!
Agreed, CNU85...although, I suspect Marymount will be in front of both CNU and Mary Wash in today's regional rankings.
Quote from: CNU85 on February 24, 2016, 10:16:14 AM
I'm a bit perplexed Marymount is somewhat overlooked. They are behind CNU and UMW in both the top 25 poll (only receiving votes) and NCAA regional ranking. Yet they win the conference, swept CNU and split with UMW. This might serve them well in the tourney...a chip on their shoulder. I would be ticked!
First, they swept CNU and got swept by UMW... they didn't split with the Eagles. That would actually cause voters to be challenged. Great! They beat CNU twice! Crap! They lost to UMW twice! I can't get all three of these teams on my ballot! They also lost to down Stevenson and Messiah teams earlier this year (in back-to-back games).
By the way... they are getting 10 points in the D3hoops Top 25. They aren't being ignored. However, it is REALLY tough to crack the women's Top 25 year in and year out. The top is so good and doesn't tend to falter that to find new openings to get teams ranked is difficult. It isn't like the men, especially with so much parity there this year, where it seems like a revolving door most weeks.
They are getting respected. They have a legit argument to leap both CNU and UMW in the regional rankings this week. It's all good.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 24, 2016, 10:16:14 AM
I'm a bit perplexed Marymount is somewhat overlooked. They are behind CNU and UMW in both the top 25 poll (only receiving votes) and NCAA regional ranking. Yet they win the conference, swept CNU and split with UMW. This might serve them well in the tourney...a chip on their shoulder. I would be ticked!
First, they swept CNU and got swept by UMW... they didn't split with the Eagles. That would actually cause voters to be challenged. Great! They beat CNU twice! Crap! They lost to UMW twice! I can't get all three of these teams on my ballot! They also lost to down Stevenson and Messiah teams earlier this year (in back-to-back games).
By the way... they are getting 10 points in the D3hoops Top 25. They aren't being ignored. However, it is REALLY tough to crack the women's Top 25 year in and year out. The top is so good and doesn't tend to falter that to find new openings to get teams ranked is difficult. It isn't like the men, especially with so much parity there this year, where it seems like a revolving door most weeks.
They are getting respected. They have a legit argument to leap both CNU and UMW in the regional rankings this week. It's all good.
Good info. Thanks for correcting my mistake..... yeah everybody swept someone...crazy. A lot to do with matchups, I would assume. I was just basing things on what I see in games in person and then what I see in results and reports on line. And I agree, I think they (UMW) will jump in the regional rankings. In my mind - they should be higher than CNU, based on my observations. What I do like about CNU is that we start 5 sophomores!
Thanks again! Good stuff!
New rankings are in - no changes for the Mid-Atlantic.
Plenty of changes! Marymount moved ahead of CNU and Moravian got ahead of Mary Washington!
And if memory serves, Muhlenberg moved ahead of Albright, but I can't confirm that off the top of my head.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Plenty of changes! Marymount moved ahead of CNU and Moravian got ahead of Mary Washington!
Ha, I must have looked at in the time between when they changed the date at the top and the data. It definitely said, "updated Feb 24," but had no changes below.
If the CNU women don't win the conference tournament, might they get an at large bid? Their SOS is on the weak side...
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2016, 04:31:06 PM
If the CNU women don't win the conference tournament, might they get an at large bid? Their SOS is on the weak side...
Well, one advantage they have, if everything goes to seed, is that they'll likely be first team on the table. It's always good to have the committee staring at them for a while. The women's committee tends to put more of an emphasis on wins than SOS, so that also bodes well for them. They're 2-2 against RRO, conceivably they'd be 3-3 if they lose in the championship game. They're a good candidate for an at-large.
Thanks, Ryan, I hope you're right...what the heck, CNU should just go ahead and win the tournament so nobody has to worry about it! :)
CNU will be in... can't imagine they won't be. It is UMW that carries the load of whether three teams get in from the conference (or four if YCP pulls the upsets).
Mary Wash at Marymount on Saturday.
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 25, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Mary Wash at Marymount on Saturday.
Should be a great game. UMW just had too much for the Captains tonight. I said at halftime that we would not be able to pull it out. I just didn't feel it. Something was missing. Energy? I'm not sure. Congrats to the Eagles!
Great win UMW Eagles! Tough loss for CNU, but you proved it's hard to beat a good team three times. Don't let that stop you from beating Marymount tomorrow for a third time, the CAC Championship, and the NCAA invite.
The CNU women haven't played well since the second half of the UMW game a couple of weeks ago...hope they get a bid!
Kievanna Lacey not playing today for Marymount (ankle sprain, I believe) - they're down 12 with 2 minutes to go. They should jump above CNU on the regional rankings, but not the place they want to be.
We should find out the brackets tomorrow. Good luck to MMT and CNU, but I doubt both will be in and MMT seems the more likely. Go Eagles!
We (Pat and I) predicted three CAC teams in: MMT, UMW, CNU.
Three it is! :) Best of luck to Mary Washington. Christopher Newport, and Mary Washington.
Congrats to the CNU women for receiving an at large bid...nice representation for the CAC getting 3 teams in...proves how tough it was. If the Lady Captains can get by St. Joseph's, they'll likely be playing Muhlenberg on their home court, which will be tough...as they say, though, first things first.
GO LADY CAPS! GO CAC!
It looks like the CNU game Friday night will be at 5pm. UMW plays at 7:30 and Mary mount at 5pm. Good luck to everyone!!
That makes it sound like maybe a split-session. Separate tickets and admission for both games. But I could be wrong.
Here's the matchup for one of the Friday night games with CAC member in the NCAA's
Marymount 22-5 Cabrini 19-9
Capital Athletic Conference Colonial States Athletic Conference
At-Large Bid Won Automatic Bid
No Common opponents
Marymount 22-5 (0-0 N) Opponents:
60.3 pts/gm 47.1
41.5% fg 35.9%
26.9% 3fg 29.7%
2.9 3fg/gm 2.6
67.8% FT 65.9%
11.6 FT/gm 11.9
36.0 rebounds/gm 30.4
13.1 assists/gm 11.9
18.2 TO/gm 22.5
12.0 steals/gm 8.2
3.3 blocks/gm 3.9
Leading Scorers: Nicole Viscuso 14.0 Kievanna Lacey 13.2
Leading Rebounders: Nicole Viscuso 7.3 Miranda Krott 7.0
Cabrini: 19-9 (0-1 N) Opponents:
67.9 pts/gm 53.9
36.1% fg 35.3%
28.9% 3fg 28.1%
5.6 3fg/gm 4.1
66.7% FT 67.9%
10.6 FT/gm 9.9
45.9 rebounds/gm 39.5
12.1 assists/gm 10.3
14.1 TO/gm 21.4
11.7 steals/gm 6.6
3.5 blocks/gm 3.0
Leading Scorers: Meghan Martin 13.6 Megan Decker 8.3
Leading Rebounders: Sabrina Hackendorn 7.1 Mo O'Connell 5.5
GAME DAY!
GO LADY CAPS! GO CAC!
Do we know if Lacey is back to full strength?
Game Day! Best of luck to all 3 CAC teams.
First round: Congrats to MMT and CNU! Good luck to UMW in its game.
UMW 26 Maryville 22 at the half
Maryviller waited until the fourth quarter to figure it out. UMW has a good team!
Nice win for CNU...they'll have their hands full w/the Mules tonight.
GO LADY CAPS!
It's off season for UMW. Sigh. Good luck to MMT and CNU!
MMT gone in the second round. Good luck to CNU -- about to start vs Muhlenberg.
Wow. CNU plays #12 team on their home court and trounce them 65-42! Nice win! Sweet 16!!!
Congrats to CNU on making the round of 16! Good luck next weekend.
Great win last night for the Lady Captains...that was what I refer to as an "a w"! I think it was something like 55 to 28 after the third period...very nice way to rebound from a disappointing finish to the regular season and conference tournament.
GO LADY CAPS!
CNU's young team gained a lot of experience and should be very dangerous next season.
Congrats to the Lady Captains on a fine season...the future looks bright!
Okay, bbald eagle, it's the clash of the titans one week from today...don't want to jump the gun, but I expect both teams to be undefeated prior to tip off!
GO LADY CAPS!
Come on, baldy, where are ya? :D
Right here. Waiting on Wednesday's match up at CNU. :) Then there's the rematch at UMW in two weeks to look forward to too.
#6 v. #9 on Wednesday. ;D
Yep, a top 10 showdown between undefeated teams...doesn't get much better! Even though they have different styles, these two are very evenly matched overall...going to be a war, w/the loser getting a shot at redemption shortly thereafter.
GO LADY CAPS!
GAME DAY!
GO LADY CAPS!
#who's ready?#top ten#undefeated#first place
I was just looking back at last year's games against George's wife...CNU took 2 of 3 from the Eagles, but they won the biggest of those, in which Parker had a monster game w/36 points. I'm pretty certain she won't do that again...look for a big dose of Daguilh inside for the Lady Captains, who'll try and contain Comden. We'll see if CNU's depth will wear 'em down...looking forward to it!
The first half goes to CNU, 40-29. Hard fought half. UMW struggling on defense to cover the 3, CNU dominating the boards, and CNU has made 10 more FT than UMW while attemptng 12 more FT than UMW.
CNU by 4 with 30 seconds left in the game.
CNU beats UMW in a hard fought game, 75-67. They go at it again in two weeks.
Round one to CNU...nice run by the Eagles at the end, but the Captains were up by double digits for most of the game, and 17 w/less than five minutes to go. I was wrong about Daguilh...she didn't play much, and wasn't very effective when she did. She must be nursing some sort of leg injury, as she's been wearing a bandage the last few games...excellent game by Fancher...until the 1st, bbald eagle!
GO LADY CAPS!
Round two's almost here, bbald eagle...you ready?
UMW 36 CNU 29 at the half.
CNU having a hard time shooting, especially 3s (1 0f 12). UMW leading after 3 periods, 55-45.
UMW by 4 with just under two minutes to go.
UMW 74 CNU 69 Final as two top 10 teams battle it out. Brianne Comden scores 26 for UMW. Now they are tied at the top of the CAC; CNU & UMW each have only one loss on the season, splitting their home/away series.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 01, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
UMW 74 CNU 69 Final as two top 10 teams battle it out. Brianne Comden scores 26 for UMW. Now they are tied at the top of the CAC; CNU & UMW each have only one loss on the season, splitting their home/away series.
I did look it up last night. If they each get through conference with one loss (a big if, but still) it's a coin flip for the #1 seed.
Now we hear from bbald eagle....:D
Round two to UMW...who's ready for the rubber match and bragging rights? If they do finish tied, it seems like a coin toss just isn't fair...hate to see the #1 seed determined via pure luck.
Swish, what would be fairer than a coin toss if both teams end the CAC season winning all league games other than splitting with each other? (A rhetorical question, I guess, since the CAC rules specify a coin toss in that situation.) Being the #1 seed, of course, does not guarantee hosting the tournament championship game. The #1 seed still has to win in the preliminary rounds of the tournament. ;)
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 02, 2017, 10:07:21 AM
Swish, what would be fairer than a coin toss if both teams end the CAC season winning all league games other than splitting with each other? (A rhetorical question, I guess, since the CAC rules specify a coin toss in that situation.) Being the #1 seed, of course, does not guarantee hosting the tournament championship game. The #1 seed still has to win in the preliminary rounds of the tournament. ;)
Playing a game at a neutral site to determine the #1 seed....
Getting there's not guaranteed, but if the #1 seed makes it to the championship, they're guaranteed a home game, which is an advantage....
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 02, 2017, 10:07:21 AM
Swish, what would be fairer than a coin toss if both teams end the CAC season winning all league games other than splitting with each other? (A rhetorical question, I guess, since the CAC rules specify a coin toss in that situation.) Being the #1 seed, of course, does not guarantee hosting the tournament championship game. The #1 seed still has to win in the preliminary rounds of the tournament. ;)
Well, there are other options, but the basketball committee in the conference chose not to use those other options, apparently.
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 10:35:14 AM
Playing a game at a neutral site to determine the #1 seed....
Playing an extra game at a neutral site before the tournament to see who is the #1 seed in the tournament that follows? Seems overly dramatic to me. Then again, I'd guess that the teams could gripe over whether the chosen neutral site gives the other team an advantage, due to, for example, travel requirements, ease of fan attendance, or whatever else they choose to squabble about. Oh well, the CAC says coin flip, so that's what it is if both win out.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 02, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 10:35:14 AM
Playing a game at a neutral site to determine the #1 seed....
Playing an extra game at a neutral site before the tournament to see who is the #1 seed in the tournament that follows? Seems overly dramatic to me. Then again, I'd guess that the teams could gripe over whether the chosen neutral site gives the other team an advantage, due to, for example, travel requirements, ease of fan attendance, or whatever else they choose to squabble about. Oh well, the CAC says coin flip, so that's what it is if both win out.
In an ideal world, yes, it's the fairest thing I can think of...teams that win the conference regular season, or in this case, potentially tie, want to win the conference tournament for the best possible seed in the NCAA tournament. In the CAC, because the higher seed always hosts, getting the top seed is an advantage, which should be determined in the best possible way...frankly, a coin toss might be the worst.
Quote from: Swish3 on February 03, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 02, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 02, 2017, 10:35:14 AM
Playing a game at a neutral site to determine the #1 seed....
Playing an extra game at a neutral site before the tournament to see who is the #1 seed in the tournament that follows? Seems overly dramatic to me. Then again, I'd guess that the teams could gripe over whether the chosen neutral site gives the other team an advantage, due to, for example, travel requirements, ease of fan attendance, or whatever else they choose to squabble about. Oh well, the CAC says coin flip, so that's what it is if both win out.
In an ideal world, yes, it's the fairest thing I can think of...teams that win the conference regular season, or in this case, potentially tie, want to win the conference tournament for the best possible seed in the NCAA tournament. In the CAC, because the higher seed always hosts, getting the top seed is an advantage, which should be determined in the best possible way...frankly, a coin toss might be the worst.
Nothing is quite fair, really, outside of head to head. The coaches had the option to use point differential and decided against it. Plus, maybe one of them will lose one somewhere. Tiebreakers, by definition, are unfair - it's a response to two teams being even. Them's the breaks.
The Lady Captains have a tough game tonight against Marymount, who's on the verge of cracking the top 25...CNU was able to eke one out in Arlington, and I see this one being close, as well.
GO LADY CAPS!
Tough loss for CNU last night...Marymount seems to be playing well at the right time. May not need a tiebreaker after all, but UMW still has to play at Marymount and CNU at York, so we'll see....
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Swish3 on February 09, 2017, 08:35:31 AM
Tough loss for CNU last night...Marymount seems to be playing well at the right time. May not need a tiebreaker after all, but UMW still has to play at Marymount and CNU at York, so we'll see....
GO LADY CAPS!
Even if the regular season doesn't end in a tiebreaker situation, it's not that unusual for the #1 seed to lose at home during the tournament.
Ouch. It looks like a tie at the top is back in play as UMW falls at home to Penn State - Harrisburg. There's even a chance for a three way tie now. At least there'll be no coin flip for the tournament seeding.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 11, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
Ouch. It looks like a tie at the top is back in play as UMW falls at home to Penn State - Harrisburg. There's even a chance for a three way tie now. At least there'll be no coin flip for the tournament seeding.
CNU is actually in first place now, since their loss to Marymount will trump the UMW loss to PSU-Harrisburg.
In the case of a tie, it goes head-to-head first. If a tie-breaker cannot be determined from that, it then goes to record against conference opponents not involved in the tie from top to bottom. If both Mary Washington and Christopher Newport win out, Mary Washington should be the #1 seed as they would have swept Marymount and Christopher Newport went 1-1 against them.
Quote from: seahawkjim on February 11, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
In the case of a tie, it goes head-to-head first. If a tie-breaker cannot be determined from that, it then goes to record against conference opponents not involved in the tie from top to bottom. If both Mary Washington and Christopher Newport win out, Mary Washington should be the #1 seed as they would have swept Marymount and Christopher Newport went 1-1 against them.
You're right. I've looked at too many conference tiebreakers this week to think clearly.
Some conferences go from bottom up, some go from top down. The CAC just happens to go from top to bottom.
Just makes Wednesday's game between Mary Washington @ Marymount that more important.
Quote from: seahawkjim on February 12, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
Some conferences go from bottom up, some go from top down. The CAC just happens to go from top to bottom.
Just makes Wednesday's game between Mary Washington @ Marymount that more important.
I always thought the most fair thing was to go top to bottom for teams ahead of you and then bottom to top for teams below you.
That was a bad loss for Mary Wash...how big are the next two games for CNU and the Eagles?
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: seahawkjim on February 12, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
Some conferences go from bottom up, some go from top down. The CAC just happens to go from top to bottom.
Just makes Wednesday's game between Mary Washington @ Marymount that more important.
The CAC actually used to go bottom up not that long ago... they also didn't have a coin flip, but relied on a number drawn by each school at the beginning of the year. Those numbers where used for all final tie-breakers in all sports. Who ever had the best number (lower, closer to 1) was considered the winner. They got rid of that when it started to become the same teams always winning the tiebreakers in multiple sports each year. That's when they went to the coin flip.
CNU and UMW at #12 and #15 in the Top 25 respectively...will be interesting to see how they both fare in the regional rankings on Wednesday.
Quote from: Swish3 on February 14, 2017, 09:03:49 AM
CNU and UMW at #12 and #15 in the Top 25 respectively...will be interesting to see how they both fare in the regional rankings on Wednesday.
And Marymount's at #25. Three CAC teams in the Top 25. I wonder if that's happened before? Probably not.
Good catch, bbald eagle...forgot about Marymount...they also might make the regional rankings this week. Marymount and UMW have had very good programs for years, while I believe York has sprinkled in some good teams here and there, so I wouldn't be surprised if three CAC teams had previously been in the Top 25 together...at any rate, it shows how solid the conference is!
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 14, 2017, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 14, 2017, 09:03:49 AM
CNU and UMW at #12 and #15 in the Top 25 respectively...will be interesting to see how they both fare in the regional rankings on Wednesday.
And Marymount's at #25. Three CAC teams in the Top 25. I wonder if that's happened before? Probably not.
I'd have to check the history, but with how good this conference has been in women's basketball in it's history... I think three teams in the Top 25 has happened on several occasions. Marymount, Mary Washington, Salisbury come to mind.
CNU goes from 3 to 5, UMW from 1 to 2 and Marymount comes in at 7 in the second set of regional rankings...interesting that the Lady Captains drop two spots after losing at home to a good team, while the Eagles only drop one spot after losing at home to a bad team. ???
Updated rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-second
One more thing to remember about the difference between first and second regional rankings is that the second version uses results vs. regionally ranked opponents. That's skipped in the first week because it's logistically difficult.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2017, 04:17:28 PM
Updated rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-second
One more thing to remember about the difference between first and second regional rankings is that the second version uses results vs. regionally ranked opponents. That's skipped in the first week because it's logistically difficult.
Thanks, Pat, that's probably what it is, as CNU's 1-1 and UMW's 3-1....
Okay, ladies, it's there for the taking...this kind of opportunity is what you play for...enough said!
GO LADY CAPTAINS!
Ugly first half at MMT last night for UMW: Horrible shooting and leaden feet on defense. Marymount's knocked off CNU and Mary Washington late in the season and is on the upswing as the tournament approaches, but it's consecutive losses for the Eagles, who need to pull it back together quickly if they're going to prevent their season from going down in flames.
Congrats to CNU for taking care of business at York and wrapping up the regular season...keep it going, ladies!
No upsets in the first round, so it's 1 vs. 4, and 2 vs. 3. We'll see if a week's time and a change of location makes any difference for the MMT matchup with UMW.
I like CNU to beat York and, given how Marymount's playing, I like the Saints in the slightest of upsets....
GO LADY CAPS!
The current regional rankings:
MID-ATLANTIC
1 Catholic 22-3 22-3
2 Scranton 22-3 22-3
3 Albright 21-4 21-4
4 Mary Washington 22-3 22-3
5 Christopher Newport 22-2 23-2
6 Messiah 23-2 23-2
7 Marymount 21-4 21-4
8 Moravian 18-6 19-6
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 22, 2017, 04:02:01 PM
The current regional rankings:
MID-ATLANTIC
1 Catholic 22-3 22-3
2 Scranton 22-3 22-3
3 Albright 21-4 21-4
4 Mary Washington 22-3 22-3
5 Christopher Newport 22-2 23-2
6 Messiah 23-2 23-2
7 Marymount 21-4 21-4
8 Moravian 18-6 19-6
CNU's weak SOS is rearing its ugly head in these rankings...even though the CAC is solid, CNU needs to schedule a couple non-conference games against better competition. We'll see how things play out on the court....
UMW by one at the half, 24-23 over MMT. Plenty of lead changes and plenty of turnovers.
UMW 49 MMT 49 in regulation. Into OT.
UMW wins 56-54 over MMT and heads to CNU Saturday. Sorry I'll miss that game. Good luck to both teams, and then off to the NCAAs, I think.
Okay, bbald eagle, this one's for all the marbles and bragging rights...I think CNU takes it by the slimmest of margins, and I wouldn't be surprised if it went into overtime. I'm pretty certain the loser will make the NCAA Tournament....
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
Okay, bbald eagle, this one's for all the marbles and bragging rights...I think CNU takes it by the slimmest of margins, and I wouldn't be surprised if it went into overtime. I'm pretty certain the loser will make the NCAA Tournament....
GO LADY CAPS!
I hope your prediction of the winner proves wrong ;), but I'll have to read about the championship game on Sunday. I wonder if Marymount might squeak into the NCAAs too, depending on how the rest of the Region plays out their league tournament games.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 24, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
Okay, bbald eagle, this one's for all the marbles and bragging rights...I think CNU takes it by the slimmest of margins, and I wouldn't be surprised if it went into overtime. I'm pretty certain the loser will make the NCAA Tournament....
GO LADY CAPS!
I hope your prediction of the winner proves wrong ;), but I'll have to read about the championship game on Sunday. I wonder if Marymount might squeak into the NCAAs too, depending on how the rest of the Region plays out their league tournament games.
I was wondering the same thing, but in looking at it a little more closely, I'd say they have a very slim chance...Catholic/Scranton and Albright/Messiah are playing for their respective conference championships, who are all ahead of Marymount in the regional rankings, so it will be tough.
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 24, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
Okay, bbald eagle, this one's for all the marbles and bragging rights...I think CNU takes it by the slimmest of margins, and I wouldn't be surprised if it went into overtime. I'm pretty certain the loser will make the NCAA Tournament....
GO LADY CAPS!
I hope your prediction of the winner proves wrong ;), but I'll have to read about the championship game on Sunday. I wonder if Marymount might squeak into the NCAAs too, depending on how the rest of the Region plays out their league tournament games.
I was wondering the same thing, but in looking at it a little more closely, I'd say they have a very slim chance...Catholic/Scranton and Albright/Messiah are playing for their respective conference championships, who are all ahead of Marymount in the regional rankings, so it will be tough.
I think Marymount and 2 Landmark teams behind them will get in if there are only a normal amount of AQ upsets.
Quote from: ronk on February 24, 2017, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 10:09:02 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 24, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 24, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
Okay, bbald eagle, this one's for all the marbles and bragging rights...I think CNU takes it by the slimmest of margins, and I wouldn't be surprised if it went into overtime. I'm pretty certain the loser will make the NCAA Tournament....
GO LADY CAPS!
I hope your prediction of the winner proves wrong ;), but I'll have to read about the championship game on Sunday. I wonder if Marymount might squeak into the NCAAs too, depending on how the rest of the Region plays out their league tournament games.
I was wondering the same thing, but in looking at it a little more closely, I'd say they have a very slim chance...Catholic/Scranton and Albright/Messiah are playing for their respective conference championships, who are all ahead of Marymount in the regional rankings, so it will be tough.
I think Marymount and 2 Landmark teams behind them will get in if there are only a normal amount of AQ upsets.
Thanks for chiming in, ronk...I hope there aren't many upsets and you're right!
Been working on the MA and what I have said on Hoopsville is this: the region has the best chance to go "off the rankings" and have a team not ranked get to the table. HOWEVER, they have the best chance... but I don't think it will end up happening. If the rankings remained the same as now (which they won't, but for argument's sake)... I think Marymount and Moravian are in the bubble spots in this region. There is a steep drop between those ahead of them and those two teams in the region per criteria. Furthermore, I think those two go from favorable to unfavorable when you start comparing them to who may remain at the table in the rest of the country. Marymount has good data... so, they could do it. But it will be close. Moravian has an awesome SOS, but their vRRO is killing them (along with WL). It will be close.
Can't wait for mock selections on Sunday. :)
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
Been working on the MA and what I have said on Hoopsville is this: the region has the best chance to go "off the rankings" and have a team not ranked get to the table. HOWEVER, they have the best chance... but I don't think it will end up happening. If the rankings remained the same as now (which they won't, but for argument's sake)... I think Marymount and Moravian are in the bubble spots in this region. There is a steep drop between those ahead of them and those two teams in the region per criteria. Furthermore, I think those two go from favorable to unfavorable when you start comparing them to who may remain at the table in the rest of the country. Marymount has good data... so, they could do it. But it will be close. Moravian has an awesome SOS, but their vRRO is killing them (along with WL). It will be close.
Can't wait for mock selections on Sunday. :)
Good stuff, Dave...ain't this time of year great/fun?!?!
Congrats to CNU lady Captains!! A dominant 4th qt. Good luck in the NCAA......good luck to UMW as well!!!
Congrats to CNU; wide margin of victory, too. Best of luck in the NCAAs
The game was exactly what I, and everyone else, expected until CNU went on a nice run and got a comfortable lead...congrats to the women on a great season to date...will be interesting to see where they land in the tournament!
Good luck to UMW, bbald eagle...if the D3 folks are right, Marymount's in...any conference that can get three teams in is pretty tough!
GO LADY CAPS!
CNU hosting a pod this weekend, surprisingly, which causes the men to go on the road...the women will play Staten Island on Friday. UMW got a tough draw having to go to Amherst, but I think Marymount is in a winnable pod at Guilford.
GO LADY CAPS! GO CAC!
If they win the first game Mary Washington gets to play #1 Amherst unless it's upset in the first round. Tough seeding for UMW, but if they play their best, who knows? Congratulations to CNU on hosting the first 2 rounds; win them both! I agree with the Swish3 re: MMT. Good luck to all 3 CAC teams.
Whew. Went down to the wire. UMW beats Sage 62-57.
Well, the CAC went 3 for 3 in the first round of the NCAAs. Congratulations to all 3 teams. Good luck today.
Talk about being confused. How many consecutive times have the Lady Captains been in the sweet 16? D3hoops.com says 6. CNUsports.com has a story on the Lynchburg game where the opening paragraph says twice and six times.....that's a mess of a paragraph. I'm calling a double dribble on that one. And the local paper, the Daily Mess, says it's the fourth time in five years.
Reminds me of a Chicago song.....does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?
I'm gonna go with d3hoops.com. Maybe I will do some research. Maybe
Tough seeding for UMW, losing to number #1 Amherst, but the CAC went 2 for 3 in the second round, sending 2 into the Sweet Sixteen. Congratulations and good luck to CNU and MMT.
Quote from: CNU85 on March 05, 2017, 06:47:16 AM
Talk about being confused. How many consecutive times have the Lady Captains been in the sweet 16? D3hoops.com says 6. CNUsports.com has a story on the Lynchburg game where the opening paragraph says twice and six times.....that's a mess of a paragraph. I'm calling a double dribble on that one. And the local paper, the Daily Mess, says it's the fourth time in five years.
Reminds me of a Chicago song.....does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?
I'm gonna go with d3hoops.com. Maybe I will do some research. Maybe
CNU... the article clearly states second-straight time and seventh overall.
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Behind a tireless defensive effort and another standout performance by junior Sam Porter, the seventh-ranked Christopher Newport women's basketball team danced into the NCAA Sweet 16 for the second straight year. A 69-51 win over Lynchburg College (23-7) powered the Captains to their sixth consecutive run at least as deep as the Sectional Round, and the seventh all-time appearance in the third round for the Captains.
I checked the research... they have been to six previous "Sweet 16s."
Looks like UMW played Amherst relatively tough...congrats to CNU and Marymount on making the Sweet 16! Already a very solid showing for the CAC...two very tough opponents await Friday night!
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 05, 2017, 06:47:16 AM
Talk about being confused. How many consecutive times have the Lady Captains been in the sweet 16? D3hoops.com says 6. CNUsports.com has a story on the Lynchburg game where the opening paragraph says twice and six times.....that's a mess of a paragraph. I'm calling a double dribble on that one. And the local paper, the Daily Mess, says it's the fourth time in five years.
Reminds me of a Chicago song.....does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?
I'm gonna go with d3hoops.com. Maybe I will do some research. Maybe
CNU... the article clearly states second-straight time and seventh overall.
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Behind a tireless defensive effort and another standout performance by junior Sam Porter, the seventh-ranked Christopher Newport women's basketball team danced into the NCAA Sweet 16 for the second straight year. A 69-51 win over Lynchburg College (23-7) powered the Captains to their sixth consecutive run at least as deep as the Sectional Round, and the seventh all-time appearance in the third round for the Captains.
I checked the research... they have been to six previous "Sweet 16s."
Still seems confusing to me..... And coupled with the story on D3hoops...." It's CNU's sixth consecutive trip to the Sweet 16." That is slightly different than 6 previous. So they have been to 6 previous Sweet 16s plus this one....7...and this is the 6th year in a row? Then why would the story on CNU sports say it was only the second straight year?
Feel free to contact the sports information staff at CNU if you have questions. Their contact information is on their website. I am sure they have better answers than I can provide you. They are working their asses off right now with two teams in the Sectionals plus spring sports at full throat, but I bet they find time to explain it.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:04:40 PM
Feel free to contact the sports information staff at CNU if you have questions. Their contact information is on their website. I am sure they have better answers than I can provide you. They are working their asses off right now with two teams in the Sectionals plus spring sports at full throat, but I bet they find time to explain it.
Hahaha....ok. I might do that!
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:04:40 PM
Feel free to contact the sports information staff at CNU if you have questions. Their contact information is on their website. I am sure they have better answers than I can provide you. They are working their asses off right now with two teams in the Sectionals plus spring sports at full throat, but I bet they find time to explain it.
So - is d3hoops correct when they stated that this is the 6th consecutive Sweet 16 for the Lady Captains? I think I understand the CNU wording.
Quote from: CNU85 on March 07, 2017, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:04:40 PM
Feel free to contact the sports information staff at CNU if you have questions. Their contact information is on their website. I am sure they have better answers than I can provide you. They are working their asses off right now with two teams in the Sectionals plus spring sports at full throat, but I bet they find time to explain it.
So - is d3hoops correct when they stated that this is the 6th consecutive Sweet 16 for the Lady Captains? I think I understand the CNU wording.
CNU85,
If you check D3hoops past schedules it looks that since the 2009-10 season this will be there 6th time to the sweet 16. They did it in 09-10, 10-11, 12-13, 13-14, 15-16 and this year. Over the last 8 years the Lady Captains seem to get there 2 years in a row and then skip a year. It looks like in the other 2 years (11-12 and 14-15) they lost in the conference tournaments. That's a pretty good run! :)
Quote from: mailsy on March 07, 2017, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 07, 2017, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:04:40 PM
Feel free to contact the sports information staff at CNU if you have questions. Their contact information is on their website. I am sure they have better answers than I can provide you. They are working their asses off right now with two teams in the Sectionals plus spring sports at full throat, but I bet they find time to explain it.
So - is d3hoops correct when they stated that this is the 6th consecutive Sweet 16 for the Lady Captains? I think I understand the CNU wording.
CNU85,
If you check D3hoops past schedules it looks that since the 2009-10 season this will be there 6th time to the sweet 16. They did it in 09-10, 10-11, 12-13, 13-14, 15-16 and this year. Over the last 8 years the Lady Captains seem to get there 2 years in a row and then skip a year. It looks like in the other 2 years (11-12 and 14-15) they lost in the conference tournaments. That's a pretty good run! :)
Indeed. I think what I am reading is that the last 6 times they made it to the tournament, they went to the Sweet 16. I misread it as they made it to the Sweet 16 the past 6 consecutive YEARS....not past 6 APPEARANCES.
It's all good. They have a fantastic team again this year. Only one player has more than 25 min/g. Only one player averages more than 10 ppg. And they average 74 per game. Total team effort.
Marymount's out, but CNU's in the elite 8 and playing tonight to reach the final four. Best of luck to the Captains.
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 11, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Marymount's out, but CNU's in the elite 8 and playing tonight to reach the final four. Best of luck to the Captains.
Thanks for the wish of luck...it worked! Heading to the final 4.
Quote from: CNU85 on March 11, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 11, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Marymount's out, but CNU's in the elite 8 and playing tonight to reach the final four. Best of luck to the Captains.
Thanks for the wish of luck...it worked! Heading to the final 4.
Good luck. Whoever dictates pace will probably have this one. No one's been able to speed Amherst up all year.
& Best of Luck to the Captains at the Final Four! Have a great time & do great there.
Interesting Final 4
Amherst 31-0
St Thomas 31-0
Tufts 29-2 (only 2 losses to Amherst.....by 1 point and 4 points)
CNU - 29-2 - only losses were in first week of February to Marymount and Mary Washington - both selected to NCAA tournament. Mary Washington lost to Amherst in second round by 9. Marymount lost to St Thomas in Sweet 16 by 7.
Quote from: CNU85 on March 13, 2017, 09:52:08 AM
Interesting Final 4
Amherst 31-0
St Thomas 31-0
Tufts 29-2 (only 2 losses to Amherst.....by 1 point and 4 points)
CNU - 29-2 - only losses were in first week of February to Marymount and Mary Washington - both selected to NCAA tournament. Mary Washington lost to Amherst in second round by 9. Marymount lost to St Thomas in Sweet 16 by 7.
Nice post, CNU85. Makes it seem like a small world.
Good luck to the Lady Captains tonight and, hopefully, tomorrow night...amazing run so far!
Excellent year by the Captains. And it's only going to get better. Essentially everyone returns including the starting line up and all the key reserves. Due to injuries etc, CNU loses to graduation a total of 51 minutes and 8 points for the season.
I was especially impressed with CNU's defensive effort against Amherst; only the national champs were able to withstand their aggressive traps; a definite upgrade from their NCAA loss last season and bodes well for next year.
Don't see this very often.
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-langley-speedway-preview-20170921-story.html (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-langley-speedway-preview-20170921-story.html)
Quote from: CNU85 on September 25, 2017, 08:02:14 AM
Don't see this very often.
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-langley-speedway-preview-20170921-story.html (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-langley-speedway-preview-20170921-story.html)
No you don't. Very cool. 8-)
The Lady Captains return virtually everyone from last season, so the potential is there for another great run! We'll see if they can play at a high level on a consistent basis and handle the high expectations that have come from their success.
Quote from: Swish3 on October 02, 2017, 03:48:54 PM
The Lady Captains return virtually everyone from last season, so the potential is there for another great run! We'll see if they can play at a high level on a consistent basis and handle the high expectations that have come from their success.
And stay healthy all the way through the season.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 03, 2017, 06:11:07 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on October 02, 2017, 03:48:54 PM
The Lady Captains return virtually everyone from last season, so the potential is there for another great run! We'll see if they can play at a high level on a consistent basis and handle the high expectations that have come from their success.
And stay healthy all the way through the season.
Yes, that too!
Just noticed(from a recent AAU tourney list of attending coaches) that St. Mary's has a new head coach in CK Calhoun, former player and assistant @ Marymount, HC @ Shenandoah, and associate HC @ Lafayette. I've talked with CK a few times over the years at AAU tourneys and envision her enabling the Seahawks to eventually become a factor in the CAC.
Quote from: ronk on October 07, 2017, 12:37:31 AM
Just noticed(from a recent AAU tourney list of attending coaches) that St. Mary's has a new head coach in CK Calhoun, former player and assistant @ Marymount, HC @ Shenandoah, and associate HC @ Lafayette. I've talked with CK a few times over the years at AAU tourneys and envision her enabling the Seahawks to eventually become a factor in the CAC.
Yes - she was named in August I think? Might have been early September. She was actually named interim head coach at Lafayette earlier this summer, but I gathered that they weren't necessarily going to give her the job once the official search was over. I know a number of high-quality coaches who applied to that job. Glad to see a solid coach was chosen. Disappointed some of those I have strong feelings where were not (though, I love Calhoun as well) - I hope they find work sometime soon. I look very much forward to seeing how she does at SMC along with the men's program to shake the CAC up.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 08, 2017, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: ronk on October 07, 2017, 12:37:31 AM
Just noticed(from a recent AAU tourney list of attending coaches) that St. Mary's has a new head coach in CK Calhoun, former player and assistant @ Marymount, HC @ Shenandoah, and associate HC @ Lafayette. I've talked with CK a few times over the years at AAU tourneys and envision her enabling the Seahawks to eventually become a factor in the CAC.
Yes - she was named in August I think? Might have been early September. She was actually named interim head coach at Lafayette earlier this summer, but I gathered that they weren't necessarily going to give her the job once the official search was over. I know a number of high-quality coaches who applied to that job. Glad to see a solid coach was chosen. Disappointed some of those I have strong feelings where were not (though, I love Calhoun as well) - I hope they find work sometime soon. I look very much forward to seeing how she does at SMC along with the men's program to shake the CAC up.
Normally, I would say, with the late appointment, that CK has missed the 2018 recruiting season(Lafayette and SMC wouldn't have been evaluating comparable prospects), but, in this particular case, there are many uncommitted 2018s who would be an upgrade to the current roster. They'll need them to crack the CAC's upper echelon of CNU, UMW, Salisbury, and Marymount.
SMC isn't exactly the easiest to get into and per the recruiting stories I hear out of there it can be a real challenge in a normal year. However, even if she missed this year or portion of it, I don't think it matters in the long run. They will need a few years of solid recruiting probably before they can start truly cracking the upper echelon. They can certainly play spoiler and make their presence known in the meantime as they rebuild(?).
The Women's Preseason D3hoops.com Top 25 is out!
CNU narrowly ends up second - their highest ranking in program history - behind Tufts and just a smidge ahead of Amherst.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/preseason
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2017, 09:30:16 AM
The Women's Preseason D3hoops.com Top 25 is out!
CNU narrowly ends up second - their highest ranking in program history - behind Tufts and just a smidge ahead of Amherst.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/preseason
Nice! Now, it's time to go to work and get better each day!
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Swish3 on November 01, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 31, 2017, 09:30:16 AM
The Women's Preseason D3hoops.com Top 25 is out!
CNU narrowly ends up second - their highest ranking in program history - behind Tufts and just a smidge ahead of Amherst.
http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2017-18/preseason
Nice! Now, it's time to go to work and get better each day!
GO LADY CAPS!
Exhibition game tonight - at ODU. Should be interesting....the 2 spinoff schools from W&M. Too bad CNU alum is no longer coach at ODU.
ODU is streaming the game live...
http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&SPID=127329&SPSID=750500&DB_OEM_ID=31100 (http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&SPID=127329&SPSID=750500&DB_OEM_ID=31100)
Quote from: CNU85 on November 01, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
ODU is streaming the game live...
http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&SPID=127329&SPSID=750500&DB_OEM_ID=31100 (http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&SPID=127329&SPSID=750500&DB_OEM_ID=31100)
But they were charging for it.
CNU loses by 7 at ODU...not a bad showing.
Quote from: Swish3 on November 02, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
CNU loses by 7 at ODU...not a bad showing.
Especially since they appear to still be without Jessica Dagiulh.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 02, 2017, 06:27:21 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 01, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
ODU is streaming the game live...
http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&SPID=127329&SPSID=750500&DB_OEM_ID=31100 (http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&SPID=127329&SPSID=750500&DB_OEM_ID=31100)
But they were charging for it.
Yeah, when I went back to it closer to game time....I saw it.
The only article I could find...from the ODU perspective. But an impressive showing for CNU.
http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&ATCLID=211676198 (http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31100&ATCLID=211676198)
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 02, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
CNU loses by 7 at ODU...not a bad showing.
Especially since they appear to still be without Jessica Dagiulh.
Yep, and it looked like Byrd, Seaman and Thomas didn't play either....
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 02, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
CNU loses by 7 at ODU...not a bad showing.
Especially since they appear to still be without Jessica Dagiulh.
Jessica missed the final weeks of last season so their NCAA run may have been better than it was. I ran across the CNU assistant at some spring AAU tourneys and asked about Jessica but it was too early to know at that time. Jessica was 1 of my prospects 4 years ago.
Quote from: ronk on November 03, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 02, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
CNU loses by 7 at ODU...not a bad showing.
Especially since they appear to still be without Jessica Dagiulh.
Jessica missed the final weeks of last season so their NCAA run may have been better than it was. I ran across the CNU assistant at some spring AAU tourneys and asked about Jessica but it was too early to know at that time. Jessica was 1 of my prospects 4 years ago.
I thought she was the most improved player last year - her freshman to sophomore transformation was incredible - improved footwork and confidence, plus she looked to be in much better shape. I was/am pretty excited to see if she can keep building on that improvement.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2017, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 03, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 03, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 02, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
CNU loses by 7 at ODU...not a bad showing.
Especially since they appear to still be without Jessica Dagiulh.
Jessica missed the final weeks of last season so their NCAA run may have been better than it was. I ran across the CNU assistant at some spring AAU tourneys and asked about Jessica but it was too early to know at that time. Jessica was 1 of my prospects 4 years ago.
I thought she was the most improved player last year - her freshman to sophomore transformation was incredible - improved footwork and confidence, plus she looked to be in much better shape. I was/am pretty excited to see if she can keep building on that improvement.
We'll see if she's been able to improve upon her quickness...I realize she's a "big", but I always felt like that was her achilles heel, if you will.
Just saw where JMU smoked the Lady Captains yesterday...I was expecting a little more from this group, but I guess they are D1, right?
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Just saw where JMU smoked the Lady Captains yesterday...I was expecting a little more from this group, but I guess they are D1, right?
D1 AND it was an exhibition where the Lady Captains I think are still not playing their full compliment of players/starters - but that is just going off memory without checking the box score (it's preseason and exhibition, I usually ignore the box score lol).
Quote from: Swish3 on November 06, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
Just saw where JMU smoked the Lady Captains yesterday...I was expecting a little more from this group, but I guess they are D1, right?
VA Tech xfer Kelly Koshuta had 20 for JMU; defending Kelly is a load for anyone, D1 or D3.
Just read where CNU's coach isn't sure if Daguilh and Byrd will play this year...I knew Daguilh was coming off an ACL injury towards the end of last season, but I have no idea what has happened to Byrd. Geez, this is really disappointing news....
Quote from: Swish3 on November 08, 2017, 09:29:49 AM
Just read where CNU's coach isn't sure if Daguilh and Byrd will play this year...I knew Daguilh was coming off an ACL injury towards the end of last season, but I have no idea what has happened to Byrd. Geez, this is really disappointing news....
I talked to Broderick last night for my opening week column. He said Byrd's been having some knee issues that are baffling medical science - they're kind of working on last chance treatment now, but they're unsure if she'll get to play again.
Daguilh was ACL, which can be up to a year. He seemed pretty confident she'd be back at some point, but you never know how someone will recover from an injury like that.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 08, 2017, 09:29:49 AM
Just read where CNU's coach isn't sure if Daguilh and Byrd will play this year...I knew Daguilh was coming off an ACL injury towards the end of last season, but I have no idea what has happened to Byrd. Geez, this is really disappointing news....
I talked to Broderick last night for my opening week column. He said Byrd's been having some knee issues that are baffling medical science - they're kind of working on last chance treatment now, but they're unsure if she'll get to play again.
Daguilh was ACL, which can be up to a year. He seemed pretty confident she'd be back at some point, but you never know how someone will recover from an injury like that.
Thanks Ryan! Good info
Although close, I was surprised that Mary Washington beat out Marymount for 2nd place in the CAC preseason poll...I definitely think the Saints will be better than the Eagles.
GO LADY CAPS!
CNU was simply dominant. Keep it rolling!!!
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 10:36:23 PM
CNU was simply dominant. Keep it rolling!!!
That was expected against BC...what wasn't expected, however, was a ranked Marymount losing at R-MC and a ranked Mary Washington losing at home to W&L. Evidently, Marymount couldn't handle R-MC's big center, as she had 34 points...not sure what happened at Mary Washington, but that's a "not so good" loss for the Eagles.
Where's bbald eagle?
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Swish3 on November 16, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 10:36:23 PM
CNU was simply dominant. Keep it rolling!!!
That was expected against BC...what wasn't expected, however, was a ranked Marymount losing at R-MC and a ranked Mary Washington losing at home to W&L. Evidently, Marymount couldn't handle R-MC's big center, as she had 34 points...not sure what happened at Mary Washington, but that's a "not so good" loss for the Eagles.
Where's bbald eagle?
GO LADY CAPS!
Also 22 rebounds. She's only a sophomore. Wow.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 16, 2017, 11:27:45 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 16, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2017, 10:36:23 PM
CNU was simply dominant. Keep it rolling!!!
That was expected against BC...what wasn't expected, however, was a ranked Marymount losing at R-MC and a ranked Mary Washington losing at home to W&L. Evidently, Marymount couldn't handle R-MC's big center, as she had 34 points...not sure what happened at Mary Washington, but that's a "not so good" loss for the Eagles.
Where's bbald eagle?
GO LADY CAPS!
Also 22 rebounds. She's only a sophomore. Wow.
and 6 Blocks
A solid win for CNU after a sluggish start against their archrival...we'll see what the Lady Captains are made of on 12/20.
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Swish3 on November 30, 2017, 08:56:38 AM
A solid win for CNU after a sluggish start against their archrival...we'll see what the Lady Captains are made of on 12/20.
GO LADY CAPS!
Everybody played, too - all the big injured players were back, at least in some form.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 30, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 30, 2017, 08:56:38 AM
A solid win for CNU after a sluggish start against their archrival...we'll see what the Lady Captains are made of on 12/20.
GO LADY CAPS!
Everybody played, too - all the big injured players were back, at least in some form.
Yes, it was good to see Jess play twenty minutes....
Christopher Newport fans should check out Ryan's Around the Nation column, which features former Captain great Chelsie Schweers and other Division III women's players who played professionally.
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2017-18/women-pro-ball
Quote from: gordonmann on December 15, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
Christopher Newport fans should check out Ryan's Around the Nation column, which features former Captain great Chelsie Schweers and other Division III women's players who played professionally.
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2017-18/women-pro-ball
Nice article!
Quote from: gordonmann on December 15, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
Christopher Newport fans should check out Ryan's Around the Nation column, which features former Captain great Chelsie Schweers and other Division III women's players who played professionally.
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-nation/2017-18/women-pro-ball
Well done! An interesting topic for fans to read about even if none of their players were mentioned. I never really knew the scope of Women's professional hoops around the world.
The Lady Captains really took one on the chin against TM, then lost at Marymount on Saturday, but it's worth mentioning that they didn't have Porter this past weekend. Honestly, I'm not surprised that they lost to the only good teams they've played, although I didn't expect TM to beat them by 30+...I saw the women play earlier against Wesley, who's not very good, and they just didn't look like themselves. I'm not sure how to describe it, other than to say they're off, at least in my opinion...Byrd, Daguilh and Thomas come to mind...might even throw in Fancher. As a team, they seem to be struggling...we all know what they're capable of, so I hope they can turn it around sooner than later.
GO LADY CAPS!
It's weird how this happens sometimes.
Last year Texas-Tyler was in a very similar situation. They returned almost everyone from a team that made a Tournament run (though not as deep as CNU) and were ranked No. 3 in the preseason.
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016-17/texas-tyler-new-heights
After a decent start, they had a miserable December, recovered enough to get a decent spot in the ASC tournament and then lost in the semis. They finished the season 20-7 and were never in the at-large bid conversation.
http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Texas-Tyler/Women/2016-17/index
I don't think CNU falls that far but it's strange how things can change from one season to the next when the roster barely does.
I think one of the hardest things to do in any team sport is to try and duplicate or exceed the previous year's success when everyone's expecting it...half the battle is being mentally tough, focused and managing those expectations. The Lady Captains will likely have another very good season, but, currently, I don't see 'em making another run to the Final Four.
A nice win for CNU at York on Saturday...read where they were up 20 late and held on...another big one against an improving Mary Washington on Wednesday!
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:43:52 AM
A nice win for CNU at York on Saturday...read where they were up 20 late and held on...another big one against an improving Mary Washington on Wednesday!
GO LADY CAPS!
CNU was up 20 to start the 4th... and barely held on. They are missing Porter with apparently a broken hand. Not sure about a return, but that is a significant difference.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2018, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 15, 2018, 08:43:52 AM
A nice win for CNU at York on Saturday...read where they were up 20 late and held on...another big one against an improving Mary Washington on Wednesday!
GO LADY CAPS!
CNU was up 20 to start the 4th... and barely held on. They are missing Porter with apparently a broken hand. Not sure about a return, but that is a significant difference.
A broken hand? Wow...that's not good!
Nice win for the Lady Captains last night...Sam Porter was out, once again...honestly not sure if she'll return this season. It was 53-13 at the half, which was similar to the halftime score two years ago, which was 42-8...unlike then, CNU was able to maintain the lead and win handily last night. Dare I say that the Eagles are a bit intimidated when playing at CNU? The thought crossed my mind after two lopsided halves and hearing that the coaches do not like one another...just throwing it out there. Anyone heard from bbald eagle?
GO LADY CAPS!
It is already the midway point of January. In a month's time, we will be looking at conference tournaments and discussing who has a chance to make the NCAA tournaments. However, there is still a lot of basketball to be played and many teams are starting to take the turn into the second half of conference play.
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Another 50 point win for the Lady Captains, albeit against a weak FSU team...could they be turning the corner and playing w/a little more desire and passion? We'll find out when Marymount comes to Newport News....
Quote from: Swish3 on January 18, 2018, 12:04:22 PMAnyone heard from bbald eagle?
GO LADY CAPS!
Not much to say when you're beaten by more points than you scored. Ouch.
BIG game against Marymount tomorrow at the Free...it's a must win situation for a shot at the #1 seed...they could really use Sam Porter!
GO LADY CAPS!
Nice win for CNU on Saturday...Porter didn't start, but played 19 minutes and gave her team a lift...great to see her back!
GO LADY CAPS!
Women's first regional rankings of the season are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-first
It sounds like CNU was fortunate to win at PS Harrisburg, which would have been a HUGE loss...when the home team shoots better than 50% from the field, it can happen...still have a couple of tough ones at Mary Washington and at home against York to end the regular season.
GO LADY CAPS!
New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Ugh, that was a tough loss for the Lady Captains Saturday night...they'll likely see York again Thursday night, and I'd be willing to bet the Spartans will not hit 14 three pointers again...I anticipate a much better defensive effort from CNU.
GO LADY CAPS!
Payback's comin' tomorrow night!
GO LADY CAPS!
The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third
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After looking at the data sheet, w/Gettysburg having the slightest advantage in overall record and wins versus RRO, how are they ahead of CNU w/a putrid SOS of .499? CNU's is significantly better at .541, which more than makes up for the other comparisons in my mind....
Tonight's game against York isn't a forgone conclusion by any stretch, but I'm confident the girls will come out ready and take it to the Spartans!
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Quote from: Swish3 on February 22, 2018, 08:44:28 AM
After looking at the data sheet, w/Gettysburg having the slightest advantage in overall record and wins versus RRO, how are they ahead of CNU w/a putrid SOS of .499? CNU's is significantly better at .541, which more than makes up for the other comparisons in my mind....
Tonight's game against York isn't a forgone conclusion by any stretch, but I'm confident the girls will come out ready and take it to the Spartans!
GO LADY CAPS!
Well... that's not how it works. They don't look at one and say it trumps three others because it's number is bigger. They look at all the data and compare it all to come out with one or the other. You already stated that there are two advantages for Gettysburg and just one for CNU in three of the five or six criteria they are looking at. That is advantage G'burg.
That all said, it is really close... we can look at the comparison (BTW your numbers are a bit off):
Gettysburg: 21-1 (.913) 2-0 vRRO .496 SOS
CNU: 21-1 (.913) 2-2 vRRO .534 SOS
From that, I would actually give that to CNU... IF the women's committee is using the .030 difference in SOS equals two-games (i.e. add two losses and remove two wins from G'burg indicating what they would have done against a CNU schedule; or flip it for CNU) - I believe they are, but need to confirm ... again ... this year.
There is head-to-head criteria... but we know that didn't happen this year.
Move to comparable teams:
McDaniel: CNU defeated by 10; G'burg defeated by 13 and 19
VWU: CNU defeated by 35; G'burg defeated by 3
Believe it or not, that is all I have for comparables between these two.
I probably would have edged CNU, but there are a few other things in play here... they may be rewarding G'burg for not losing to a regionally ranked opponents, but I do know CNU would not be punished for playing more of those.
If they went to secondary criteria, I am not sure how each non-conference SOS shapes up (a number we can't seem to find or do our own math). Maybe G'burg has an advantage there and the committee didn't feel the primary criteria created a definite answer.
The other possibility is other schools in the conversation (it never seems to be only a two-team comparison; other teams are always in the conversation at the same time) and when it started to come down to splitting hairs, that's the order they went in.
If I was MW I would be a little ticked at d3hoops.com right now. In the women's tournament tracker, they already have Marymount hosting on Saturday.
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2018, 04:06:37 PM
If I was MW I would be a little ticked at d3hoops.com right now. In the women's tournament tracker, they already have Marymount hosting on Saturday.
Understand how the system works... we don't control the database. Marymount is a PrestoSports school; D3hoops.com is a PrestoSports entity as well. We all share the same database. It is a bit challenging for us to remove the game from our system without removing it from their system.
We aren't predicting anything.
Nice win for the Lady Captains and, frankly, that's what I expected...I've got a good feeling about Saturday!
GO LADY CAPS!
Unbelievable comeback by Marymount. Climbed that mountain in the 4th Q to get their only lead of the game!
A gut-wrenching loss for CNU...sounds like they should've won it...oh well, gotta move forward and forget about this one.
GO LADY CAPS!
MMT will exit the CAC on top in Women's Basketball. Best of luck to MMT and CNU in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2018, 05:23:25 PM
MMT will exit the CAC on top in Women's Basketball. Best of luck to MMT and CNU in the NCAA tournament.
Yes, best of luck...I think CNU moves on to the Sweet 16!
I read where Poquoson's Sondra Fan has committed to CNU...remember this name, folks, as I think she could be a special player for the Lady Captains!
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Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2018, 05:23:25 PM
MMT will exit the CAC on top in Women's Basketball. Best of luck to MMT and CNU in the NCAA tournament.
Yes, best of luck...I think CNU moves on to the Sweet 16!
I agree. The pod is sort of a best case scenario, staying in VA close to home against unranked teams. Then on the other hand you could travel to blizzard country in a pod with a top 15. So much for winning the CAC. Anyway, hoping both teams win and keep playing for a while!
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Quote from: Swish3 on March 01, 2018, 08:24:36 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2018, 05:23:25 PM
MMT will exit the CAC on top in Women's Basketball. Best of luck to MMT and CNU in the NCAA tournament.
Yes, best of luck...I think CNU moves on to the Sweet 16!
I agree. The pod is sort of a best case scenario, staying in VA close to home against unranked teams. Then on the other hand you could travel to blizzard country in a pod with a top 15. So much for winning the CAC. Anyway, hoping both teams win and keep playing for a while!
I must admit, it's a pretty good draw, but R-MC will be tough on their own court...they have a really good center that averages a lot of points and rebounds, but I still like the Lady Captains to pull it off. I think CNU's pressure and quickness will be the difference...no disrespect to Haverford, but I just don't see them posing a big threat in the first round...good luck to both teams representing the CAC!
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Quote from: rorurap on March 01, 2018, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 01, 2018, 08:24:36 AM
Quote from: bbald eagle on February 26, 2018, 05:23:25 PM
MMT will exit the CAC on top in Women's Basketball. Best of luck to MMT and CNU in the NCAA tournament.
Yes, best of luck...I think CNU moves on to the Sweet 16!
I agree. The pod is sort of a best case scenario, staying in VA close to home against unranked teams. Then on the other hand you could travel to blizzard country in a pod with a top 15. So much for winning the CAC. Anyway, hoping both teams win and keep playing for a while!
I must admit, it's a pretty good draw, but R-MC will be tough on their own court...they have a really good center that averages a lot of points and rebounds, but I still like the Lady Captains to pull it off. I think CNU's pressure and quickness will be the difference...no disrespect to Haverford, but I just don't see them posing a big threat in the first round...good luck to both teams representing the CAC!
Well, now it looks like it will be CNU's turn to travel to "blizzard country" with Hope the likely host.
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Congrats to CNU's women for making the Sweet 16, yet again...I figured they probably would, but didn't think they'd beat R-MC that badly...now they really have a tough task ahead playing at Hope, but we'll see what happens!
GO LADY CAPS!
Another nice season for the Marymount women...no shame in losing to a good Rochester team on their home floor.
Quote from: Swish3 on March 05, 2018, 10:00:19 AM
Congrats to CNU's women for making the Sweet 16, yet again...I figured they probably would, but didn't think they'd beat R-MC that badly...now they really have a tough task ahead playing at Hope, but we'll see what happens!
GO LADY CAPS!
Another nice season for the Marymount women...no shame in losing to a good Rochester team on their home floor.
And IF you beat us (Hope) you are likely to have to face Thomas More next.
Quote from: Dutchfan on March 05, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 05, 2018, 10:00:19 AM
Congrats to CNU's women for making the Sweet 16, yet again...I figured they probably would, but didn't think they'd beat R-MC that badly...now they really have a tough task ahead playing at Hope, but we'll see what happens!
GO LADY CAPS!
Another nice season for the Marymount women...no shame in losing to a good Rochester team on their home floor.
And IF you beat us (Hope) you are likely to have to face Thomas More next.
Yep, a tough row to hoe....
16 and counting. Good luck, CNU. :)
Nice season, CNU ... perhaps a bit of a disappointment after last year's run, but still a good season.
Quote from: bbald eagle on March 10, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
Nice season, CNU ... perhaps a bit of a disappointment after last year's run, but still a good season.
Yep, I'd say so, considering they returned everyone...very similar to CNU's men last season. Although, sometimes fans can become spoiled by the success of the respective programs they cheer for and, as a result, expect too much, which isn't always fair. I want to thank the coaching staff and players for another very good season, especially the seniors, who I've really enjoyed watching the last four years...I wish them all the best, as they're great young ladies!
GO LADY CAPS!
Also, I did want to comment about the Hope game...how does a team shoot 24 more free throws than the other? I expect CNU to have more fouls based on their style of play, but that kind of disparity is ridiculous...sounds like poor officiating, to which I'm not surprised, unfortunately. In addition, it looked like Fancher was fouled on a 3 point attempt during a critical possession towards the end of the game, as she was knocked down...Hope showed a lot of replays during the game, but not of that particular one, which I would've liked to see. It's water under the bridge at this point, but the magnitude of the game makes it harder to swallow....
Filing this under, "interesting" - http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/college/mary_washington/umw-parting-ways-with-athletic-director-tyler/article_578d329e-03e1-5d13-9a22-aa0b86f4022e.html
If I remember correctly, not long after Tyler arrived as AD, he abruptly fired UMW's long time & highly respected mens basketball coach in favor of personal friend Marcus Khan.
There may be something to that karma theory after all. :-\
Quote from: saratoga on April 03, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
If I remember correctly, not long after Tyler arrived as AD, he abruptly fired UMW's long time & highly respected mens basketball coach in favor of personal friend Marcus Khan.
There may be something to that karma theory after all. :-\
It wasn't that cut and dry on either part, actually.
The "firing" took a year-plus. The way the UMW system works for individuals like Rod Wood, they must be informed a year before their contract is expiring that a) their contract is under review and subject to not being renewed and b ) that the process of not renewing their contract has started. There is literally a process to it that I think includes a hearing. So, yes... Tyler did start the process and to be honest I see reasons to do so. Wood hadn't really produced a team or brought in recruits in numbers in quite some time. Prior to that miraculous season when they got to the national quarterfinals, we didn't talk about UMW except in passing. And the recruiting was so minimal - plus the year that Wood pretty much knew he was hitting the road - resulted in there being NO one left on the UMW team after that season.
BTW - that season was also Duncan Robinson's freshman year at Williams. They rolled through everyone including UMW and Amherst on their way to the national title game - which Robinson nearly won himself ... twice. Of course, he was in the national title game this year at Michigan. First ever player to play in both DIII and DI Final Fours and Championship games.
Anyway... the hiring process was legit. Yes, Tyler contacted Kahn and encouraged him to apply from everything I have learned, but I would have been surprised if Kahn hadn't considered applying anyway. I think a lot of people feel UMW has a ton of potential (which Wood didn't seem to tap into in his later years at the helm) and Kahn would have been nuts not to apply. He may have gotten it because of Tyler's connections, but it wasn't that Tyler simply hired him. UMW is a state school ... they have to take certain procedures and any step of the way could have derailed it all.
Finally, Rod Wood was retained, just not as basketball coach. He is still involved with athletics and the school. Tyler and UMW were at least smart enough to not throw him completely out.
As for Tyler leaving... a lot could be said. I think going back a year ago to the lawsuit and the investigative stories (including the incredibly written version by the student paper) about the women's basketball team may have been the undoing. I had heard Tyler rubbed many the wrong way and certainly the MBB job at the beginning is in that mix... but I really think last year's stories and the entire mess was the deciding factor in the end.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 04, 2018, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: saratoga on April 03, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
If I remember correctly, not long after Tyler arrived as AD, he abruptly fired UMW's long time & highly respected mens basketball coach in favor of personal friend Marcus Khan.
There may be something to that karma theory after all. :-\
It wasn't that cut and dry on either part, actually.
The "firing" took a year-plus. The way the UMW system works for individuals like Rod Wood, they must be informed a year before their contract is expiring that a) their contract is under review and subject to not being renewed and b ) that the process of not renewing their contract has started. There is literally a process to it that I think includes a hearing. So, yes... Tyler did start the process and to be honest I see reasons to do so. Wood hadn't really produced a team or brought in recruits in numbers in quite some time. Prior to that miraculous season when they got to the national quarterfinals, we didn't talk about UMW except in passing. And the recruiting was so minimal - plus the year that Wood pretty much knew he was hitting the road - resulted in there being NO one left on the UMW team after that season.
BTW - that season was also Duncan Robinson's freshman year at Williams. They rolled through everyone including UMW and Amherst on their way to the national title game - which Robinson nearly won himself ... twice. Of course, he was in the national title game this year at Michigan. First ever player to play in both DIII and DI Final Fours and Championship games.
Anyway... the hiring process was legit. Yes, Tyler contacted Kahn and encouraged him to apply from everything I have learned, but I would have been surprised if Kahn hadn't considered applying anyway. I think a lot of people feel UMW has a ton of potential (which Wood didn't seem to tap into in his later years at the helm) and Kahn would have been nuts not to apply. He may have gotten it because of Tyler's connections, but it wasn't that Tyler simply hired him. UMW is a state school ... they have to take certain procedures and any step of the way could have derailed it all.
Finally, Rod Wood was retained, just not as basketball coach. He is still involved with athletics and the school. Tyler and UMW were at least smart enough to not throw him completely out.
As for Tyler leaving... a lot could be said. I think going back a year ago to the lawsuit and the investigative stories (including the incredibly written version by the student paper) about the women's basketball team may have been the undoing. I had heard Tyler rubbed many the wrong way and certainly the MBB job at the beginning is in that mix... but I really think last year's stories and the entire mess was the deciding factor in the end.
Interesting. I thought with UMW being a state school that when a position is open, nobody on the "inside" is allowed to call anyone and encourage them to apply. But maybe I'm wrong about that.
I don't think those limitations are in place. Those calls don't necessarily mean they are telling them they will get the job. I've never heard of those. Maybe they exist, but who knows. Each system and school is different.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 05, 2018, 04:55:12 PM
I don't think those limitations are in place. Those calls don't necessarily mean they are telling them they will get the job. I've never heard of those. Maybe they exist, but who knows. Each system and school is different.
You're probably right. Each system can be different, as long as it still adheres to any state HR policy. I believe at CNU when a job is posted there are no encouragements or phone calls allowed. Pretty strict.
The Lady Captains are #20 in the preseason poll...the voters must not have realized who they lost. While Broderick runs a very good program, this will be a rebuilding year w/ten or eleven freshmen...that said, I still expect them to be solid.
GO LADY CAPS!
The voters had information on whom the Captains lost. Some voters just chose to vote for them anyway. :)
Quote from: gordonmann on October 23, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
The voters had information on whom the Captains lost. Some voters just chose to vote for them anyway. :)
A testament to their program...thanks, Gordon!
Quote from: gordonmann on October 23, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
The voters had information on whom the Captains lost. Some voters just chose to vote for them anyway. :)
Thanks, man! This will be Broderick's best test of his program. So far, in 6 years he has been at the helm, 5 NCAA appearances.....3 times to the Sweet 16, once to the Elite Eight, and once to the Final Four. If he does it again this year....he has created a machine!
Remember the name "Fan", everyone...a local product who I think will be very good!
I wonder how CNU fared against ODU in exhibition game. Update—- found a recap. 77-42. No box score.
With fresh faces and potent scorers, Salisbury women's basketball is energized for the season ahead:
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No one is talking about York's win over Messiah - at Messiah - to start the season?!
Didn't know they played...nice win for York and the CAC!
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2018, 11:25:50 AM
No one is talking about York's win over Messiah - at Messiah - to start the season?!
Katie McGowan(York) can play; Messiah's best player(Leah Springer did not play last nite.
Nor will she be playing any time in the near future.
Quote from: saratoga on November 09, 2018, 06:31:01 PM
Nor will she be playing any time in the near future.
Sorry to read that; had hoped that she would have become a Lady Royal 3 years ago; Leah can do it all.
Nice comeback last night against Stevenson...the seniors/experienced players got a lot of minutes, understandably, but only a couple of them are a consistent threat to score. I'd like to see some of the freshmen play a little more, but I'm sure that will come in time...some very capable shooters.
Quote from: Swish3 on November 15, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Nice comeback last night against Stevenson...the seniors/experienced players got a lot of minutes, understandably, but only a couple of them are a consistent threat to score. I'd like to see some of the freshmen play a little more, but I'm sure that will come in time...some very capable shooters.
Jess Foster is 1 of those good shooters. Saw Stevenson play 10 mins Saturday @ home vs Wash & Lee; they must have upped their game vs CNU.
Quote from: ronk on November 15, 2018, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 15, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Nice comeback last night against Stevenson...the seniors/experienced players got a lot of minutes, understandably, but only a couple of them are a consistent threat to score. I'd like to see some of the freshmen play a little more, but I'm sure that will come in time...some very capable shooters.
Jess Foster is 1 of those good shooters. Saw Stevenson play 10 mins Saturday @ home vs Wash & Lee; they must have upped their game vs CNU.
Agreed...Sondra Fan is another one...also, I've been impressed w/Terwilliger...know anything about her?
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Quote from: ronk on November 15, 2018, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 15, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Nice comeback last night against Stevenson...the seniors/experienced players got a lot of minutes, understandably, but only a couple of them are a consistent threat to score. I'd like to see some of the freshmen play a little more, but I'm sure that will come in time...some very capable shooters.
Jess Foster is 1 of those good shooters. Saw Stevenson play 10 mins Saturday @ home vs Wash & Lee; they must have upped their game vs CNU.
Agreed...Sondra Fan is another one...also, I've been impressed w/Terwilliger...know anything about her?
No, I don't remember seeing Terwilliger or Brunson play; saw Hobbs and Foster a few times and Ng maybe once. Jess DaGuilh was one of my prospects 4 years ago.
CNU jumps up to #11 in the latest poll, which is more likely due to attrition than anything else...they're really young and, to be honest, haven't really played anyone, but I see them getting more comfortable and improving game by game.
GO LADY CAPS!
Similar to the CAC men, the women's side is off to a nice start...should be a fun season!
CNU holding steady at 16...the young Lady Captains are playing well!
Interesting game tonight at Southern Virginia...not sure how good they really are, but I'm expecting a close one.
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SV has a good post player, Katie Garrish; she and Jess DeGuilh probably played against each other in high school in NOVA.
I don't want to take anything from Southern Virginia, but CNU was absolutely abysmal from the field last night...obviously, the Knights had something to do w/that, but 17-67 overall and 3-23 from three is tough to overcome. It's hard to believe CNU led by 14 in the second quarter and lost the lead in the waning minutes...a credit to their defense, I suppose. Oh well, w/their youth, some growing pains are to be expected...got to have a short memory and get ready for PS-H at home on Saturday.
GO LADY CAPS!
Jess simply has to do more in big games, ronk...8 and 5 isn't good enough from CNU's lone, experienced big.
I thought the SVU defense has a lot to do with the poor shooting. CNU got very few open shots, although they also missed a lot of transition layups.
I didn't see much of the game, but it had to be a combination of good defense and an off shooting night...as you mentioned, though, CNU missed some close ones that contributed to those lousy percentages...I think they win the rematch in Newport News.
The season's shaping up to be more of a free for all than expected.
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Another "not so good" loss for CNU...w/o much of an inside presence, they really struggle to score when they're off. They scored 45 points in the first half and 13 in the second...got to be more consistent than that.
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Much like the men, the CNU women were able to pull away from UMW in the second half...I'd really like to see the Lady Captains develop an inside game moving forward.
GO LADY CAPS!
First women's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-first
Regional Rankings Week 2 released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-second
CNU wins conference! An impressive team effort and superb coaching. 10Freshmen on this team! 20 wins!
Quote from: CNU85 on February 16, 2019, 06:07:39 PM
CNU wins conference! An impressive team effort and superb coaching. 10Freshmen on this team! 20 wins!
Agreed...even though the conference wasn't as strong this year, a very nice accomplishment and testament to the program!
GO LADY CAPS!
I think CNU's Fan has a good shot at CAC rookie of the year...hope she gets it!
Quote from: Swish3 on February 18, 2019, 10:08:00 AM
I think CNU's Fan has a good shot at CAC rookie of the year...hope she gets it!
I would think she is in the running. 10.6 PPG, second on team to only the senior Jessica. Has 58 steals. Plays solid D.
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2019, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 18, 2019, 10:08:00 AM
I think CNU's Fan has a good shot at CAC rookie of the year...hope she gets it!
I would think she is in the running. 10.6 PPG, second on team to only the senior Jessica. Has 58 steals. Plays solid D.
I could be wrong, but I don't think there are any other freshmen that have done as well...frankly, her closest competition is likely her teammate, Foster.
It's official
https://www.cnusports.com/news/2019/2/19/sondra-fan-bill-broderick-named-cac-rookie-coach-of-the-year-daguilh-kirkland-earn-first-team-all-cac-honors.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2019/2/19/sondra-fan-bill-broderick-named-cac-rookie-coach-of-the-year-daguilh-kirkland-earn-first-team-all-cac-honors.aspx)
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Quote from: CNU85 on February 20, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
It's official
https://www.cnusports.com/news/2019/2/19/sondra-fan-bill-broderick-named-cac-rookie-coach-of-the-year-daguilh-kirkland-earn-first-team-all-cac-honors.aspx (https://www.cnusports.com/news/2019/2/19/sondra-fan-bill-broderick-named-cac-rookie-coach-of-the-year-daguilh-kirkland-earn-first-team-all-cac-honors.aspx)
Nice! Congratulations to everyone that was recognized for their success and hard work!
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Anyone have a data sheet? I'm wondering how Haverford and Elizabethtown jumped CNU....
Quote from: Swish3 on February 20, 2019, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Anyone have a data sheet? I'm wondering how Haverford and Elizabethtown jumped CNU....
The data sheets usually accompany the rankings. Possibly, the teams are so close that the vrro made the dif - 1-3 fof CNU, 2-3 for the other 2.
Data sheets are linked now. Sorry about that.
Quote from: ronk on February 20, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 20, 2019, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
The new NCAA Division III women's basketball regional rankings are posted: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/women-regional-rankings-third
Anyone have a data sheet? I'm wondering how Haverford and Elizabethtown jumped CNU....
The data sheets usually accompany the rankings. Possibly, the teams are so close that the vrro made the dif - 1-3 fof CNU, 2-3 for the other 2.
Probably, even though Haverford had a much weaker In-Division SOS than CNU, not to mention one less win...looks like they're putting a lot of weight on the Results vs All Division Ranked Opponents.
Remember ... it isn't just the raw number of 1-3 or 2-3 ... it who did they play, beat, and win. Where are those teams ranked. It isn't a raw number to the committees.
And in this specific case you might think they are putting weight on the vRRO, but that isn't necessarily true. There is a lot of data including non-conference SOS numbers that committees look at. It isn't just one piece of data.
CNU and Haverford are split by one win overall, Haverford seems to have a better vRRO data (their two wins includes one against higher-ranked Gettysburg), the SOS gives CNU the edge, but that all leads me to want to give in to other data more.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 05:05:42 PM
Remember ... it isn't just the raw number of 1-3 or 2-3 ... it who did they play, beat, and win. Where are those teams ranked. It isn't a raw number to the committees.
And in this specific case you might think they are putting weight on the vRRO, but that isn't necessarily true. There is a lot of data including non-conference SOS numbers that committees look at. It isn't just one piece of data.
CNU and Haverford are split by one win overall, Haverford seems to have a better vRRO data (their two wins includes one against higher-ranked Gettysburg), the SOS gives CNU the edge, but that all leads me to want to give in to other data more.
Interesting that you should say that Dave, I'm trying to put together my Pool C projection this evening and I'm running into something I didn't see when I did the same for volleyball three months ago.
In VB, it was glaringly obvious which teams went out and played all comers and who was just trying to rack up wins. Unexpectedly to me in WBB, across the 8 regions, everybody's SOS and vRRO records look all....same-ish.
Yeah... not surprising in WBB. I think the shear numbers split things into: elite, vast majority in the middle, and really bad.
VB tends to have more pockets maybe?
Can't figure out why Gettysburg is getting CNU in the 1st round of their pod; CNU is the strongest of the 4 teams. Gettysburg is probably hosting because Westfield is too far from CNU but they should be playing the #3 seed instead of the #1 seed.
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
Can't figure out why Gettysburg is getting CNU in the 1st round of their pod; CNU is the strongest of the 4 teams. Gettysburg is probably hosting because Westfield is too far from CNU but they should be playing the #3 seed instead of the #1 seed.
I wish I could tell you ... we didn't get an answer from the committee chair that was helpful. I like Karin and think she is doing well, but that match up and a couple of others don't hold up. I also did some digging and didn't get a better perspective on it either.
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
Can't figure out why Gettysburg is getting CNU in the 1st round of their pod; CNU is the strongest of the 4 teams. Gettysburg is probably hosting because Westfield is too far from CNU but they should be playing the #3 seed instead of the #1 seed.
I don't know about that.....the regional rankings before selection had Gettysburg ranked higher (3rd) than CNU (7th) in Mid-Atlantic. And I know it is difficult to compare across regions but Mount Saint Mary is #2 in their region.
Can't wait for Friday!
I like to look at Massey to help evaluate teams...they have Gettysburg and CNU at 58 and 62 respectively, while Westfield State is 121 and Mount St. Mary is 150 w/a horrible strength of schedule. If the Lady Captains can get by Gettysburg, they likely win the second round, and perhaps handily. Overall, they're extremely young, but they have the potential to surprise some people....
GO LADY CAPS!
Quote from: CNU85 on February 28, 2019, 07:58:19 AM
Quote from: ronk on February 27, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
Can't figure out why Gettysburg is getting CNU in the 1st round of their pod; CNU is the strongest of the 4 teams. Gettysburg is probably hosting because Westfield is too far from CNU but they should be playing the #3 seed instead of the #1 seed.
I don't know about that.....the regional rankings before selection had Gettysburg ranked higher (3rd) than CNU (7th) in Mid-Atlantic. And I know it is difficult to compare across regions but Mount Saint Mary is #2 in their region.
Can't wait for Friday!
I still think MSMC drawing Westfield State is the D3 equivalent of a 12 seed facing a 16 seed in the D1 tournament. Mount-CNU and Gburg-WSC would have made more sense to me.
The CNU coach said that the committee must have thought CNU was the worst of the four...nothing like a little extra motivation!
As a member of the RAC, Coach Broderick advised the bracketers thusly, but I'm not surprised that he brought it to the attention of his team that they are considered as 4th seed by 'them'. ::)
"Them" must be defeated!!!! ;D
Quote from: Swish3 on February 28, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
The CNU coach said that the committee must have thought CNU was the worst of the four...nothing like a little extra motivation!
Not a chance ... he knows full well that isn't the case even looking at the bracket.
Quote from: ronk on February 28, 2019, 10:03:37 AM
As a member of the RAC, Coach Broderick advised the bracketers thusly, but I'm not surprised that he brought it to the attention of his team that they are considered as 4th seed by 'them'. ::)
He barely advised the "bracketers." He was off the call when his team was discussed. He voted at some point. He then was removed from the conversation for the finalization of those rankings and never was part of the final rankings being created.
He is spinning it to give his team something to talk about.
Mount was considered the "top" team in this bracket. We know that they would have been hosting if they had put in to host. Their coach told us on Hoopsville Monday evening that they did NOT put in to host due to their facilities being booked for something else.
So the "top" team in this pod according to the national committee is Mount St. Mary. That, rightly, makes Westfield State the lowest ranked team. An Owls team that was NOT regionally ranked.
The simple fact they are not regionally ranked makes them the lowest considered team in this grouping.
Check out this article....
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-women-pairings-0226-story.html
Broderick references the "NCAA"...I used "committee"...are they one in the same or separate?
Quote from: Swish3 on February 28, 2019, 01:23:06 PM
Check out this article....
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-women-pairings-0226-story.html
Broderick references the "NCAA"...I used "committee"...are they one in the same or separate?
They are the same .. he is misusing the term "NCAA." He is the "NCAA" as well since he is on a RAC.
And I think he is completely misunderstanding that pod. Again, he would have disconnected after getting his work done Sunday morning. But based on information we have #gleaned ... and based on what is OBVIOUS ... Westfield is the lowest "ranked" team in that pod. There is no way to look at it any other way. Just because they are playing Gettysburg at Gettysburg does NOT indicate CNU is the lowest ranked team.
When the committee brackets and discover their anticipated host can't host, they tend to shift it elsewhere in the pod if possible. That means it goes to Gettysburg, but they didn't change the structure of the pod as a result. MSM is clearly considered the highest ranked team in that four-some and is playing the non-ranked Westfield team. Gburg and CNU are the next two and playing each other.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 28, 2019, 01:23:06 PM
Check out this article....
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/christopher-newport/dp-spt-cnu-women-pairings-0226-story.html
Broderick references the "NCAA"...I used "committee"...are they one in the same or separate?
They are the same .. he is misusing the term "NCAA." He is the "NCAA" as well since he is on a RAC.
And I think he is completely misunderstanding that pod. Again, he would have disconnected after getting his work done Sunday morning. But based on information we have #gleaned ... and based on what is OBVIOUS ... Westfield is the lowest "ranked" team in that pod. There is no way to look at it any other way. Just because they are playing Gettysburg at Gettysburg does NOT indicate CNU is the lowest ranked team.
When the committee brackets and discover their anticipated host can't host, they tend to shift it elsewhere in the pod if possible. That means it goes to Gettysburg, but they didn't change the structure of the pod as a result. MSM is clearly considered the highest ranked team in that four-some and is playing the non-ranked Westfield team. Gburg and CNU are the next two and playing each other.
Makes sense to me, Dave...thanks for the explanation/commentary.
Even though Mount St. Mary received the top seed in this pod, Massey would easily have them as the lowest, likely because of their abysmal strength of schedule, which I think will be exposed this weekend.
Yes... MSM probably wouldn't be a #2 in the Mid-Atlantic ... it is another flaw to what I think the committee did here and with MSM getting in. I see why they would be considered a host, but I also don't agree with it nor with them being in, maybe.
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Congrats to CNU! This marks the 6th Sweet 16 in Coach Broderick's 7 seasons. Remarkable!!
Quote from: CNU85 on March 04, 2019, 08:51:52 AM
Congrats to CNU! This marks the 6th Sweet 16 in Coach Broderick's 7 seasons. Remarkable!!
Not bad, eh? To date, Coach Broderick is 15-5 in the NCAA Tournament w/CNU...and what's even more impressive is that only 4 of those 20 games have been at home.
I run in to Coach Broderick frequently at AAU tourneys each year as we evaluate prospects; the first year that he became CNU's coach I came across him(not knowing him at that time) and saw what looked like CMU on his shirt. Since I had some prospects who chose Carnegie-Mellon instead(including eventual national POY Lisa Murphy), I asked him. He said: No, it was Christopher Newport, not Carnegie-Mellon.
Looking forward to next match on Friday.
Quote from: ronk on March 04, 2019, 05:33:36 PM
I run in to Coach Broderick frequently at AAU tourneys each year as we evaluate prospects; the first year that he became CNU's coach I came across him(not knowing him at that time) and saw what looked like CMU on his shirt. Since I had some prospects who chose Carnegie-Mellon instead(including eventual national POY Lisa Murphy), I asked him. He said: No, it was Christopher Newport, not Carnegie-Mellon.
Looking forward to next match on Friday.
Neat story...Friday will be tough for CNU...they didn't fare so well last time.
The front page has a nice piece on the Lady Captains...a huge "get back" opportunity for the seniors, but they'll have to play really well.
Looking at some stats.....crazy....
A CNU Fr with 7 double doubles (Terwiliger)
Another Freshman about to break Chelsea Schweers Fr record for 3 pointers made (Foster)
but......another Fr is the one who wins Rookie of the Year award (Fan)
Wow - I predict at least one of these players wins All-American accolades before their career is over!
Very tough loss for CNU; Jess Daguilh finishes her career with a very good game; been watching her for 6 years; Natalie Terwilliger played like a future star - nice footwork in the lane and touch from 3-pt range.
Very tough loss indeed. My heart breaks for Zhara Tannor. When I saw her get fouled I smiled as I knew we had this in the bag. That's not a way you want to end your career. I hope she is able to remember all the positive aspects of her career. Her winning shots, steals, hustle. How she gave her all....and mostly....how the CNU fans loved watching her play!! We will miss her!! Congrats on a great career Zhara!!!! I'm glad you wore a Captains uniform! #captainforlife
Reposted from the Landmark room:
Tannor handled herself very well in the press conference last night.
She was asked about the free throws and said something to the effect of, "They both felt good leaving my hand. I wasn't bothered by the student section. I wouldn't do anything differently the next time. My coach believed in me."
There were no tears, just a determined smile.
After the press conference, while I was working on the front page in the press box, I saw the CNU team waiting for the bus. Tannor was as energetic and upbeat as the rest of the team, smiling and enjoying her teammates' company. I don't know what she was really thinking or feeling and there will be a lot of time for her to process that. But in the immediate aftermath she seemed to be handling it very well.
That's good to hear!! I believe she is headed off to medical school, so perhaps she is keeping things in perspective. Thanks for the update. Makes me feel better!
S/O to Jess Deguilh for her CNU career; we go back at least 5 years to her AAU days with the Potomac Vogues. Wanted to speak with her after Friday's game but finally figured out she was in the postgame press conference. Best wishes to Jess for her postgrad plans.
Spoke with Jess Foster and Natalie Terwilliger and her parents while waiting; as frosh, they seemed to bounce back quickly, knowing they have 3 more years.
That was a great season for the Lady Captains...they have much to be proud of...the future looks bright in NN!
GO LADY CAPS!
Last week CNU shot 2-30 from 3. Last night they shot 16-32. Perhaps there was some practice going on???
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CNU had big wins SVA, @UMW, York; all by double digits bodes well. I really thought UMW game would be closer.
now they are in driver's seat for #1 seed for CAC tourney. With underclasswomen playing bulk of mins and points, looks bright for next 2 years as well.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 23, 2020, 08:42:13 AM
CNU had big wins SVA, @UMW, York; all by double digits bodes well. I really thought UMW game would be closer.
now they are in driver's seat for #1 seed for CAC tourney. With underclasswomen playing bulk of mins and points, looks bright for next 2 years as well.
Indeed . Only 1 Sr and 2 Jrs. The rest are split between SO and Fr (8 each).
lone Sr was hurt, has not played last 3 games. One Jr starts, other comes off bench.
top 3 scorers are 2 Soph & 1 Frosh
underclassmen account for 75% of points
Points distribution
Frosh 25%
Soph 53%
Jr 11%
Sr 10%
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 23, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
lone Sr was hurt, has not played last 3 games. One Jr starts, other comes off bench.
top 3 scorers are 2 Soph & 1 Frosh
underclassmen account for 75% of points
Points distribution
Frosh 25%
Soph 53%
Jr 11%
Sr 10%
Which Fr is your daughter? ;D ;D ;D
lol, i do not have a frosh on team
;D
Dave alluded to new ACAA/CAC merger may be called CAC. I hope so. He also said CAC may add a few more schools as well.
I think CAC will employ ACAA conference championship tournament (seeding by massey ratings) for basketball.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 24, 2020, 09:09:50 PM
Dave alluded to new ACAA/CAC merger may be called CAC. I hope so. He also said CAC may add a few more schools as well.
I think CAC will employ ACAA conference championship tournament (seeding by massey ratings) for basketball.
Actually, what I said was it would probably hold the structure and status of the CAC because it has the AQs and such in place. The ACAA does not. I didn't venture a guess on what the name of the conference would be.
I also said the conference would be in place for schools transitioning from outside of DIII in. I know of one, for example, that has applied and was apparently eyeing the ACAA to join until they were solidly in DIII ... and then they would leave for another conference. This conference has the ability, easily, to being a transitional ground for a lot of schools. I am not sure where they would add any significant members at this time.
And I said, I suspect the new conference will take on the ACAA's model when it comes to handing out it's AQs since the mandate of playing conference games in season seems to have died on the vine.
Just to be clear ... these are my speculations. While I have sources confirm a meeting took place and the merger was agreed to, I don't have information on the make-up and such. And things could change. I had MANY sources confirm Arcadia was going to join the new AEC. That started to fluctuate and I had many sources over the course of 18 months say Arcadia was out, then back in, and then ultimately out.
as an "insider", I enjoy hearing your "speculations". or is that another way to say you spoke to someone "off the record"?
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 27, 2020, 03:37:26 PM
as an "insider", I enjoy hearing your "speculations". or is that another way to say you spoke to someone "off the record"?
It is a mix of 20+ years covering Division III basketball and the division as a whole, spending countless hours talking to people around the country about things like this, and getting people to also confide in me on what is or isn't happening.
When I have something sourced, I indicate that clearly. When I have something I think is brewing, I will indicate that. And when I am going off of what I am piecing together, I indicate that.
"And I said, I suspect the new conference will take on the ACAA's model when it comes to handing out it's AQs since the mandate of playing conference games in season seems to have died on the vine."
What does that mean, Dave?
Quote from: Swish3 on January 28, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
"And I said, I suspect the new conference will take on the ACAA's model when it comes to handing out it's AQs since the mandate of playing conference games in season seems to have died on the vine."
What does that mean, Dave?
I've managed to catch up some by reading the "Conference changes" discussion, but this potential merger would be weird for me...I might rather take my chances in Pool B until something better came along.
This merger (ACAA+CAC) buys CAC time to lure schools from nearby conferences to join CAC without losing AQ? I hear it takes a lot of cajoling to get schools to leave a conference for another.
Quote from: Swish3 on January 28, 2020, 11:15:08 AM
"And I said, I suspect the new conference will take on the ACAA's model when it comes to handing out it's AQs since the mandate of playing conference games in season seems to have died on the vine."
What does that mean, Dave?
I believe they use Massey ratings (???). Something like that.
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Do you know how they determine host team for postseason tournament?
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Do you know how they determine host team for postseason tournament?
Heh -- the ACAA has had a predetermined host, and the host team got an automatic bid, so even if the host school was not among the best four teams, they still qualified, and bumped someone else.
That has fewer ramifications when an automatic bid is not on the line, of course.
next year's tournament exact structure could be interesting. With tournament bracket and Massey seeding, I could see change to #1 seed hosting entire weekend to cut down on travel costs. Frankly, I see the 5 CAC teams (in 20-21) getting seeds #1-4. Then a weekend tournament would be low cost (travel wise).
That certainly seems quite likely, based on the relative strength of the teams. Perhaps with a larger conference, they will expand to six tournament teams in order to guarantee at least one former ACAA team having a shot at the AQ.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Do you know how they determine host team for postseason tournament?
Heh -- the ACAA has had a predetermined host, and the host team got an automatic bid, so even if the host school was not among the best four teams, they still qualified, and bumped someone else.
That has fewer ramifications when an automatic bid is not on the line, of course.
Does the CAC really want/need to get involved w/a conference this horrible? If it does happen, thank God they likely wouldn't play each other in the regular season! The travel budget alone would probably nix any thought of that, but even if they did play, I wouldn't waste one second of my time and money to watch any of the current ACAA teams.
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2020, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Do you know how they determine host team for postseason tournament?
Heh -- the ACAA has had a predetermined host, and the host team got an automatic bid, so even if the host school was not among the best four teams, they still qualified, and bumped someone else.
Does the CAC really want/need to get involved w/a conference this horrible? If it does happen, thank God they likely wouldn't play each other in the regular season! The travel budget alone would probably nix any thought of that, but even if they did, I wouldn't waste one second of my time and money to watch any of the current ACAA teams play.
That has fewer ramifications when an automatic bid is not on the line, of course.
The bottom line is protecting the AQ - this gives them at least an extra year to figure out their future without losing their conference and AQ status. That's huge.
Most of the ACAA teams will be finding homes elsewhere anyway. Delhi and UVF are already leaving, Pratt will get into another conference at some point - likely the same with Pine Manor. Finlandia has been working towards the UMAC for a while. Most of those teams were pulled together out of convenience anyway - if the CAC gets to a place where they want to do a real conference schedule again, probably the outliers will just move on.
It's not ideal, for sure, but it's in everyone's best interest for the short term.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:51:40 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2020, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Do you know how they determine host team for postseason tournament?
Heh -- the ACAA has had a predetermined host, and the host team got an automatic bid, so even if the host school was not among the best four teams, they still qualified, and bumped someone else.
Does the CAC really want/need to get involved w/a conference this horrible? If it does happen, thank God they likely wouldn't play each other in the regular season! The travel budget alone would probably nix any thought of that, but even if they did, I wouldn't waste one second of my time and money to watch any of the current ACAA teams play.
That has fewer ramifications when an automatic bid is not on the line, of course.
The bottom line is protecting the AQ - this gives them at least an extra year to figure out their future without losing their conference and AQ status. That's huge.
Most of the ACAA teams will be finding homes elsewhere anyway. Delhi and UVF are already leaving, Pratt will get into another conference at some point - likely the same with Pine Manor. Finlandia has been working towards the UMAC for a while. Most of those teams were pulled together out of convenience anyway - if the CAC gets to a place where they want to do a real conference schedule again, probably the outliers will just move on.
It's not ideal, for sure, but it's in everyone's best interest for the short term.
Didn't Dave think the CAC would fare well in Pool B?
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2020, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 08:51:40 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 29, 2020, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
The ACAA model is no regular season play, and using Massey Ratings to create seedings for the postseason tournament bracket.
Do you know how they determine host team for postseason tournament?
Heh -- the ACAA has had a predetermined host, and the host team got an automatic bid, so even if the host school was not among the best four teams, they still qualified, and bumped someone else.
Does the CAC really want/need to get involved w/a conference this horrible? If it does happen, thank God they likely wouldn't play each other in the regular season! The travel budget alone would probably nix any thought of that, but even if they did, I wouldn't waste one second of my time and money to watch any of the current ACAA teams play.
That has fewer ramifications when an automatic bid is not on the line, of course.
The bottom line is protecting the AQ - this gives them at least an extra year to figure out their future without losing their conference and AQ status. That's huge.
Most of the ACAA teams will be finding homes elsewhere anyway. Delhi and UVF are already leaving, Pratt will get into another conference at some point - likely the same with Pine Manor. Finlandia has been working towards the UMAC for a while. Most of those teams were pulled together out of convenience anyway - if the CAC gets to a place where they want to do a real conference schedule again, probably the outliers will just move on.
It's not ideal, for sure, but it's in everyone's best interest for the short term.
Didn't Dave think the CAC would fare well in Pool B?
Yeah, but once you lose your conference status and AQ, you have to go back through the process to get them back (including the two year waiting period) - the CAC teams clearly want to be remain a conference and this is how they're doing it. It'll be messy for a little while, but they'll figure it out eventually.
pontification on any universities CAC targeting to join that are within sensible driving distance?
I do not see many opportunities in near future. are conferences with only or mostly private universities leery to joining a d3 public conference?
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 10:05:24 AM
pontification on any universities CAC targeting to join that are within sensible driving distance?
I do not see many opportunities in near future. are conferences with only or mostly private universities leery to joining a d3 public conference?
We all know the USA South won't be together forever; there are options there for NC teams to join in. I suspect the CAC is also targeting new teams looking to get into D3. Regent University is one, for sure - maybe Washington Adventist? Bob Jones and Warren Wilson are currently in an exploratory year - they might be too far, but they're viable future options. Some of the southern NEAC schools, maybe, too. There's lots of room for movement, the CAC just needs more time.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 29, 2020, 10:07:06 AM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 29, 2020, 10:05:24 AM
pontification on any universities CAC targeting to join that are within sensible driving distance?
I do not see many opportunities in near future. are conferences with only or mostly private universities leery to joining a d3 public conference?
We all know the USA South won't be together forever; there are options there for NC teams to join in. I suspect the CAC is also targeting new teams looking to get into D3. Regent University is one, for sure - maybe Washington Adventist? Bob Jones and Warren Wilson are currently in an exploratory year - they might be too far, but they're viable future options. Some of the southern NEAC schools, maybe, too. There's lots of room for movement, the CAC just needs more time.
To make the USA South matters worse, I think Bob Jones and maybe even Warren Wilson are supposed to be headed to there. SMH
this "band aid" fix of ACAA+CAC conference will last several years at best. with revolving door ACAA; and SVU + SMU leaving in '22, I do not see them getting out of ACAA conference tourney model for several years.
CNU wins big 99-51. The top scorer for CNU had.....wait for it.......12 points. That's it. 16 different players scored. With 16 underclassman this is shaping up to potentially be a very special team!
Quote from: CNU85 on January 30, 2020, 08:19:14 AM
CNU wins big 99-51. The top scorer for CNU had.....wait for it.......12 points. That's it. 16 different players scored. With 16 underclassman this is shaping up to potentially be a very special team!
St Mary's is not very good this year and that's being very kind.
Watching the game, CNU looks like it's found groove in implementing their Captain's Choas. Earlier in season, multiple younger players were struggling with CNU's type of pressing D.
I see them going 10-0 in conference and for conf tourney, CNU rarely loses at home.
Congrats CNU WBB for 2nd straight regular season CAC champion. To get into dance, they will still need to win CAC Tourney but #1 seeding helps.
https://twitter.com/cnuwbb/status/1226616673588871171?s=20 (https://twitter.com/cnuwbb/status/1226616673588871171?s=20)
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 10:19:20 AM
Congrats CNU WBB for 2nd straight regular season CAC champion. To get into dance, they will still need to win CAC Tourney but #1 seeding helps.
https://twitter.com/cnuwbb/status/1226616673588871171?s=20 (https://twitter.com/cnuwbb/status/1226616673588871171?s=20)
Well winning the tournament would be good ... but they may have a solid at-large chance as well. Their SOS number looks pretty solid and they have played a lot of opponents that may be regionally ranked. We will learn a little more on Wednesday when the first rankings come out ... and then can extrapolate from there (first rankings will not have "Results versus Regionally Ranked Opponents" (aka vRRO) as it won't exist).
The vRRO is interesting - the loss to Tufts might actually boost their chances when they get to the table.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
The vRRO is interesting - the loss to Tufts might actually boost their chances when they get to the table.
would loss to Messiah qualify as well? if Peace wins USA South tourney, loss to them not too bad
what really hurts CNU is loss to Meredith.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2020, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 10, 2020, 05:54:49 PM
The vRRO is interesting - the loss to Tufts might actually boost their chances when they get to the table.
would loss to Messiah qualify as well? if Peace wins USA South tourney, loss to them not too bad
what really hurts CNU is loss to Meredith.
Any regionally ranked games will be considered, of course, but a good performance against Tufts is going to speak louder than others.
To Ryan's point ... the loss to Meredith hurts on their WL%, but by the definitions of the criteria, it won't be talked about unless another team (or teams as three, four, or more could be discussed at the same time) also played Meredith - then it would come up in conversation with the primary criteria. So thus, the Tufts result will have a larger impact than the Meredith one generally speaking (granted a win over Meredith improves the WL numbers and that does have an impact).
Women's first Regional Rankings released.
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-first
The Meredith loss is a head scratcher, but I don't see the Lady Captains losing the conference tournament....
Copying and pasting from Darryl Nester for Mid-Atlantic Region, so I can keep track of this region more easily. Thanks for posting this morning!
Region# D3Hoops# Pts
#1 #28 29 Messiah 19-4 won at Stevenson, 65-49
#2 #22 92 Gettysburg 20-2 def. McDaniel, 71-57; 02/15 at Washington College
#3 #16 251 Scranton 19-3 def. Moravian, 64-57; 02/15 at Juniata
#4 #38 4 Chris Newport 19-4 def. St. Mary's (Md.), 89-49; 02/15 vs. Salisbury
#5 #26 30 Albright 19-3 LOST at Widener, 68-69; 02/15 vs. Lycoming
#6 NR Widener 18-4 def. Albright, 69-68; 02/15 vs Albernia
Remember ... week to week results certainly get put into the data for the next rankings, but where teams are ranked is scrubbed and the RACs and national committee start over.
So just because a team is #2 doesn't mean that's where they start and whether they move is discussed.
Everyone is off the table and they start from scratch each week.
class act by Salisbury WBB allowing injured senior K. Kirkland to score first 2 points of game!!
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 15, 2020, 02:25:08 PM
class act by Salisbury WBB allowing injured senior K. Kirkland to score first 2 points of game!!
I missed it! Dang it! I was changing out of my suit to enjoy the games in comfort! That is indeed a class act! Nicely done Seagulls!
multiple players' teary eye during beginning of game. also, "jaz" wore #5 for game in honor of Kiana
and in the men's game since there were 6 seniors, when the starting lineups were announced, they introduced #10 Luther Gibbs but #4 Dalon McHugh made his way to center court.
I think CNU has a decent shot at being #3 in today's regional rankings...we'll see soon enough.
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second
Widener gets #3 over CNU? CNU NCAA SOS & Record % > Widener SOS & Record %.
I guess we will have to see how MAC tourney shakes out with Messiah, Widener & Albright
Widener jumps from #6 to #3, while CNU remains at #4...looks like Widener is getting the nod over CNU for their results versus all division ranked opponents.
The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.
Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.
There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.
Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.
i get NCAA has their methodology and criteria but all polls (d3hoops, WBCA and Massey) ranked them outside #37. Widener did not get single point in either D3hoops or WBCA polls; Massey had them at rating=58 and power=78. albright is ahead of widener in their conference.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2020, 10:09:44 PM
i get NCAA has their methodology and criteria but all polls (d3hoops, WBCA and Massey) ranked them outside #37. Widener did not get single point in either D3hoops or WBCA polls; Massey had them at rating=58 and power=78. albright is ahead of widener in their conference.
NCAA criteria is what all committees in all sports in DIII use. The criteria is approved and modified by Division III itself. There are several committees that look at these things and they are manned by DIII coaches and administrators.
But the NCAA on the whole works this way because that's how they, the membership, have determined they will do things. The DI men's tournament has nothing do with Massey or the Associated Press Top 25 either.
This is how this has worked for eons ... not sure why this is a surprise.
NCAA criteria is spelled out. We have an FAQ section that has answers and we talk about it on Hoopsville. Happy to help explain it ... but trying to use massey, D3hoops or WBCA polls as some way to compare is where you will lose the argument ... it doesn't matter other than the criteria we all know is being used and all know how it's used.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 19, 2020, 10:09:44 PM
i get NCAA has their methodology and criteria but all polls (d3hoops, WBCA and Massey) ranked them outside #37. Widener did not get single point in either D3hoops or WBCA polls; Massey had them at rating=58 and power=78. albright is ahead of widener in their conference.
NCAA criteria is what all committees in all sports in DIII use. The criteria is approved and modified by Division III itself. There are several committees that look at these things and they are manned by DIII coaches and administrators.
But the NCAA on the whole works this way because that's how they, the membership, have determined they will do things. The DI men's tournament has nothing do with Massey or the Associated Press Top 25 either.
This is how this has worked for eons ... not sure why this is a surprise.
NCAA criteria is spelled out. We have an FAQ section that has answers and we talk about it on Hoopsville. Happy to help explain it ... but trying to use massey, D3hoops or WBCA polls as some way to compare is where you will lose the argument ... it doesn't matter other than the criteria we all know is being used and all know how it's used.
haha....heck if I know how it's used! I don't even know the criteria. Never really paid attention to it. I just read the rankings and say, "Huh. Interesting". Then I go about my business. Open a beer. Take out the trash. ;D
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.
Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.
There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.
Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.
by my count, common opponents CNU (6-1) v Widener (5-2). so it must be vRRO difference (0.571 > 0.4) that got the nod.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.
Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.
There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.
Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.
by my count, common opponents CNU (6-1) v Widener (5-2). so it must be vRRO difference (0.571 > 0.4) that got the nod.
Results vRRO typically isn't considered on a percentage basis like that. It would be:
Widener
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
1-0 vs. Atlantic No. 2
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 2
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 5
1-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7
Christopher Newport
0-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 1
0-1 vs. South No. 3
2-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7
I believe I captured all this correctly. This is definitely a factor which favors Widener.
What Pat said ... that's how it really is interrupted. It isn't "WL% versus Regionally Ranked Opponents."
It's "Results versus Regionally Ranked Opponents."
"Results" is key ... the committees look at: who they played; how they did against them; how many games were there; how many at the top of rankings, middle, or bottom of rankings; and other items other than "what is the percentage of games won or lost."
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2020, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 20, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
The differences in WL% (one win) and SOS (.010) between CNU and Widener are very close ... the committees could be washing those out and looking elsewhere. The fact Widener is 4-3 in vRRO compared to CNU's 2-3 is noticeable, though I would have to dive into see what teams those are wins and losses against for both teams.
Edit: Widener's win over Messiah is a significant win. Yes, they have a loss as well, but the win is helping.
There are also comparable opponents and head to head ... while h2h isn't a factor, common opponents could also be playing a role.
Remember, there are five primary criteria ... plus items like non-conference SOS in the secondary criteria that can play a role in all of this. Not just WL%, SOS, or vRRO.
by my count, common opponents CNU (6-1) v Widener (5-2). so it must be vRRO difference (0.571 > 0.4) that got the nod.
Results vRRO typically isn't considered on a percentage basis like that. It would be:
Widener
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
1-0 vs. Atlantic No. 2
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 2
1-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 5
1-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7
Christopher Newport
0-1 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 1
0-1 vs. Northeast No. 1
0-1 vs. South No. 3
2-0 vs. Mid-Atlantic No. 7
I believe I captured all this correctly. This is definitely a factor which favors Widener.
for common opponents, gap favors CNU +0.161 while vRRO CNU is -0.171
so this favors CNU (but not enough?)
the breakdown does not matter but here is what i captured. caveat CAC #2 and #4 were decided by coin flip on Wed
Widener (0.714)
1-0 vs CAC #2
1-0 vs CAC #4
1-0 vs CAC #6
1-1 vs MAC #1
1-1 vs MAC #6
CNU (0.875)
6-0 vs CAC #2,#4,#6
0-1 vs MAC #1
1-0 vs MAC #6
The breakdown actually does matter ... there is only ONE thing the committee looks at basically as a percentage: win-loss percentage in the primary criteria (overall win-loss percentage in the secondary if it is different).
Almost nothing else is a percentage in terms of wins/losses... they look at the body of work. Results and everything. Not a straight percentage.
You are trying to simplicize something that is far more complicated and it is causing you to go in the wrong direction.
Results against common opponents is definitely part of the criteria. I have never heard of them breaking it down that way with results against common opponents, but I don't think they would read it the same way you did.
You ascribe an advantage to CNU because they played the CAC teams twice. I'm not sure the committee would. I would look at it this way:
CNU and Widener each went undefeated against the CAC 2, 4 and 6. That's a wash. And they combined to go .500 against the MAC 1 and the MAC 6. That could be considered a wash -- not as easily, but potentially.
And again, Widener beat a regional No. 1 and a regional No. 2. That's a big advantage that will catch the eye of any committee when compared with a team whose best regionally ranked win is against a regional No. 7.
Congratulations to Sondra Fan, Natalie Terwilliger and Anaya Simmons who were voted All-CAC 1st Team, All-CAC 2nd Team and CAC Rookie of the Year respectively...well done, ladies!
Women's third regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-third
looking forward to both York squads coming down to a packed Freeman Center for CAC Championship Showdown on Saturday. Both should be close games but looking forward to seeing 2 more CAC Championship banners!!
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 27, 2020, 10:26:30 AM
looking forward to both York squads coming down to a packed Freeman Center for CAC Championship Showdown on Saturday. Both should be close games but looking forward to seeing 2 more CAC Championship banners!!
Me too! ;D
Congrats to CNU WBB for 2nd consecutive CAC regular and tournament championships. Perfect CAC season does not come around often
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 01, 2020, 03:37:08 PM
Congrats to CNU WBB for 2nd consecutive CAC regular and tournament championships. Perfect CAC season does not come around often
Nope. The last time was 2008. the team finished 30-1. I have a basketball in my office from that season. Signed by the team that featured Chelsea Schweers. She was at the game Saturday. I chatted with her briefly about Australia where she is playing professionally. Since my daughter just married an Aussie there might be a road trip to see Chelsea play! I mentioned that if she looked into the stands and saw CNU gear, it was me. She laughed and said "Do it! That would be sick!" Hmmm.....road trip anyone? ;D ;D
Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......
you mean the one senior, who is injured?
At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......
you mean the one senior, who is injured?
At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!
At least they know the way to Scranton. ;)
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......
you mean the one senior, who is injured?
At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!
At least they know the way to Scranton. ;)
That was an awesome game!
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......
you mean the one senior, who is injured?
At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!
At least they know the way to Scranton. ;)
That was an awesome game!
Probability is that we'll get to do it again in the 2nd round.
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2020, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Had to laugh...Selection show....the host said when the CNU senior class were freshman......
you mean the one senior, who is injured?
At least he mentioned Captains Chaos!
At least they know the way to Scranton. ;)
That was an awesome game!
Probability is that we'll get to do it again in the 2nd round.
As long as the final outcome is different, I'm good with that! ;D
Widener is VERY good team. matchup should be great game. just hate the VERY long 8hr bus ride for CNU. just a tad under 500 miles.
maybe host meant last year's senior class were freshmen when they lost by 40 to scranton in 2016? maybe host should have instead referred to 1 point loss last year in sweet 16.
imo, i think this year's CNU team is better than last year. higher regional ranking as well as d3hoops and WBCA rating. winners of last 15 games with last loss against Tufts, hot at right time. they are more balanced and play 10 players for 11+ mins (the 11th player was lone Senior who is injured). first part of season (4-3 Win-Loss), lack of chemistry with all those Sophomores and Freshmen needed gelling. youth is being served.
Could this be the year CNU gets over the Scranton hump? We'll see...gotta beat Widener first!
POTUS will be in Scranton Thurs to make sure everything's in place for a Lady Royals advance to the sectional round; don't disappoint him! ;)
from hoopsville, interesting so CNU placed in Scranton pod and not Marymount /Messiah pod because MU in CAC 2 years ago and they played Messiah this year.
i didn't know they took into account non-conference opponents they played that year in placing team in a pod.
Something is wrong Vt because Two years ago Scranton played Cabrini in a regular game and then played them in the first round of the tournament.Then in 2006 we played Baldwin Wallace in Vegas then played them in the Tournament so who ever made that statement tell them look at Scrantons schedule !
So two times, 13 years apart ... and why is this in the CAC board?
It happened that is why I brought it up!
13 years ago isn't relevant ... and Scranton isn't in the CAC => to Pat's point.
No but two years ago is Dave we played Cabrini in regular season then played them again in the tournament.So for Karin to say that was a lie. Because she has been on it for 5 years that is my point!
To say the reason CNU couldnt be in Messiahs bracket is because they played each other is just totally false because Scranton played Cabrini then played them in the ncaa the first week of tournament play.One other thing I wish you pressed her on is why 3 MA teams in one pod?I understand Texas but Scranton is centrally located you could have many other teams come there way.I mean By Now Tufts and CNU probably Knows Scranton better then many Scrantonians just saying.Like I said many other teams could have came to Scranton not 3 MA teams!
Quote from: Rofrog on March 02, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
Something is wrong Vt because Two years ago Scranton played Cabrini in a regular game and then played them in the first round of the tournament.Then in 2006 we played Baldwin Wallace in Vegas then played them in the Tournament so who ever made that statement tell them look at Scrantons schedule !
didn't mean it is wrong, just interesting they took pains to try and bracket teams that have not played each other during regular season.
Quote from: Rofrog on March 03, 2020, 12:54:25 AM
No but two years ago is Dave we played Cabrini in regular season then played them again in the tournament.So for Karin to say that was a lie. Because she has been on it for 5 years that is my point!
The rule hasn't been in place all that long ... she referenced that one or two years ago they had some of these things and have adjusted since. So, it hasn't been in place all that long. (Men it has been in place longer I think.) So, to look back two years and say "it's a lie" especially when she makes a specific reference to last year's CNU/Marymount game ... isn't fair.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 03, 2020, 08:02:48 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 02, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
Something is wrong Vt because Two years ago Scranton played Cabrini in a regular game and then played them in the first round of the tournament.Then in 2006 we played Baldwin Wallace in Vegas then played them in the Tournament so who ever made that statement tell them look at Scrantons schedule !
didn't mean it is wrong, just interesting they took pains to try and bracket teams that have not played each other during regular season.
I didn't push this because she went and tried to explain on her own how they tried to move teams around. I also understand the geography. I would love to see non-region matchups more often, but I also realize that the map (and fairness to bracket balance) doesn't always allow for perfect things.
The one time I have pushed this hard was in 2014. I thought the men absolutely botched it with three Mid-Atlantics at Virginia Wesleyan. I still think they screwed that up ... but at the same time, I also know there is only so far I can take things.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 01:39:39 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 03, 2020, 08:02:48 AM
Quote from: Rofrog on March 02, 2020, 09:31:58 PM
Something is wrong Vt because Two years ago Scranton played Cabrini in a regular game and then played them in the first round of the tournament.Then in 2006 we played Baldwin Wallace in Vegas then played them in the Tournament so who ever made that statement tell them look at Scrantons schedule !
didn't mean it is wrong, just interesting they took pains to try and bracket teams that have not played each other during regular season.
I didn't push this because she went and tried to explain on her own how they tried to move teams around. I also understand the geography. I would love to see non-region matchups more often, but I also realize that the map (and fairness to bracket balance) doesn't always allow for perfect things.
The one time I have pushed this hard was in 2014. I thought the men absolutely botched it with three Mid-Atlantics at Virginia Wesleyan. I still think they screwed that up ... but at the same time, I also know there is only so far I can take things.
Thank you for conducting interview on us fans behalf to better understand WBB committee process. I will say it was very unfortunate you did not have regional rankings AND she could only answer some questions from 2nd hand account due to her team's involvement
Unfortunately, the last part happens often on the women's side. What is more unfortunate is that none of her colleagues wanted to take her place to help us out.
A few years ago, Bobbi Morgan at Haverford (the year before she became chair) filled in for that same exact reason. It wasn't a great interview, but at least someone stepped up.
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 03:08:45 PM
Unfortunately, the last part happens often on the women's side. What is more unfortunate is that none of her colleagues wanted to take her place to help us out.
A few years ago, Bobbi Morgan at Haverford (the year before she became chair) filled in for that same exact reason. It wasn't a great interview, but at least someone stepped up.
It would have been so much better interview with additional "color" from her committee colleagues! especially since they knew she was missing for significant portions of it.
Do I sense a little bit of an NCAA double standard here (between MBB & WBB)? If not WBB Regional Rankings posted late while MBB's were so fast they needed to be corrected. Then lack of time being posted on WBB brackets while MBB has them a couple of hours after brackets posted.
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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2020, 03:08:45 PM
Unfortunately, the last part happens often on the women's side. What is more unfortunate is that none of her colleagues wanted to take her place to help us out.
A few years ago, Bobbi Morgan at Haverford (the year before she became chair) filled in for that same exact reason. It wasn't a great interview, but at least someone stepped up.
It would have been so much better interview with additional "color" from her committee colleagues! especially since they knew she was missing for significant portions of it.
Do I sense a little bit of an NCAA double standard here (between MBB & WBB)? If not WBB Regional Rankings posted late while MBB's were so fast they needed to be corrected. Then lack of time being posted on WBB brackets while MBB has them a couple of hours after brackets posted.
First ... she did ask her colleagues for notes. So they did help her. They just didn't want to be the voice of the committee.
And I don't think there is a double-standard .. I think the women's liaisons are under some mistaken notion that the rankings get released the day after the brackets. Unfortunately, I have tried to remind them several years now that their notion is incorrect but sometimes my comments fall on deaf ears is the best I can figure.
I don't know what you are saying per "lack of time," but that might not matter.
As for game times, it has long been the women's tournament's practice to give the schools some leniency in setting game times. Unfortunately, it means that we are here at 5:30 p.m. ET with Bowdoin and Trinity (Texas) still not having announced their game time. (Or, at least they have not added the time to their schedule.)
The term "double standard" has a pejorative stance that suggests one person is making the decision to to men's one way and women's the other. In reality, it's two different groups choosing to do things differently.
Agreed that the women's final regional rankings often do not come before we prod them for them.
would be cool if WBB committee copied MBB lead in requesting hosting schools for afternoon game possibilities so fans could watch more games live. or maybe move left side of bracket to Sat & Sun time frame
I wish we could do Sunday in D-III, but we have a number of schools who will not compete on Sunday for religious reasons.
so those schools go to other side of the bracket. fan in me loves seeing games live.
Messiah, Calvin, George Fox, Hope, Wheaton come to mind as WBB tournament regulars who don't play on Sunday, and that spans Pennsylvania to Oregon.
But, pod by pod might be more doable.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 02:30:20 PM
Messiah, Calvin, George Fox, Hope, Wheaton come to mind as WBB tournament regulars who don't play on Sunday, and that spans Pennsylvania to Oregon.
But, pod by pod might be more doable.
Only challenge there is that one pod lines up with another where a team got an extra day of rest (or one less day depending on how you look at it). Thus why the men's bracket for the Sweet 16 is split in half with one side being Friday and the other Saturday. Can't have complaints about it. :)
I would be firmly in the camp of that not being a big deal. It isn't baseball. Both would get at least four days between games and that's plenty.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 05:07:31 PM
I would be firmly in the camp of that not being a big deal. It isn't baseball. Both would get at least four days between games and that's plenty.
Yeah ... having had to help with Hoopsville Classic scheduling and knowing what some comments are sometimes at our event ... the rest conversation is very much a basketball one as well.
I get the difference between playing back-to-back days and playing with an off day in between -- we hear it from coaches in Vegas as well -- but I would not back someone complaining about the difference between four and five days off in basketball.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2020, 05:16:29 PM
I get the difference between playing back-to-back days and playing with an off day in between -- we hear it from coaches in Vegas as well -- but I would not back someone complaining about the difference between four and five days off in basketball.
When it comes to coaches ... I don't want to guess what they will make a big deal. LOL
With travel for some teams including flights and such, I suspect that loses more time as well. Trying to give everyone the same amount of time to travel and practice is likely the key at this point in the tournament.
What coaches will make a big deal about > what's actually relevant. :)
Just read a nice article about CNU's Anaya Simmons, the CAC Rookie of the Year...had no idea she was a stand out point guard in high school...don't see a lot of 5'10" point guards in high school or D3.
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
Just read a nice article about CNU's Anaya Simmons, the CAC Rookie of the Year...had no idea she was a stand out point guard in high school...don't see a lot of 5'10" point guards in high school or D3.
provide the link!
Congrats to CNU WBB on advancing to 2nd round! Lets beat Endicott and get back to sweet 16
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2020, 10:53:09 AM
Just read a nice article about CNU's Anaya Simmons, the CAC Rookie of the Year...had no idea she was a stand out point guard in high school...don't see a lot of 5'10" point guards in high school or D3.
McDaniel freshman this year who played the five ... was basically a point or two guard during her entire high school career. She's 5-11.
Congrats to CNU - Coach Broderick, players, especially the NOVA/MD ones that I've seen play a # of times in AAU or high school(Jess, Julia H, Liz) and VT-Alum-NOVA(whom I met Fri) - on their victory over a game Endicott squad. Sets up an interesting choice for quadrant hosting since there'll be 3 flights to 1 site, no matter who hosts. I'll choose Amherst as the host since they were the highest seed in the quadrant. We'll find out tomorrow.
I was going to guess Amherst. But they didn't allow fans to watch, so I'm wondering if that makes any difference. Probably not.
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Congrats to CNU - Coach Broderick, players, especially the NOVA/MD ones that I've seen play a # of times in AAU or high school(Jess, Julia H, Liz) and VT-Alum-NOVA(whom I met Fri) - on their victory over a game Endicott squad. Sets up an interesting choice for quadrant hosting since there'll be 3 flights to 1 site, no matter who hosts. I'll choose Amherst as the host since they were the highest seed in the quadrant. We'll find out tomorrow.
Amherst hosting means no fans, NCAA selecting this on purpose would be traditional and unfair to all fans who wish to see their players live.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2020, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: ronk on March 07, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Congrats to CNU - Coach Broderick, players, especially the NOVA/MD ones that I've seen play a # of times in AAU or high school(Jess, Julia H, Liz) and VT-Alum-NOVA(whom I met Fri) - on their victory over a game Endicott squad. Sets up an interesting choice for quadrant hosting since there'll be 3 flights to 1 site, no matter who hosts. I'll choose Amherst as the host since they were the highest seed in the quadrant. We'll find out tomorrow.
Amherst hosting means no fans, NCAA selecting this on purpose would be traditional and unfair to all fans who wish to see their players live.
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What an opening weekend of the NCAA tournaments? Upsets a plenty. Gyms closed to fans. Incredible finishes. And so much more. Sunday night on Hoopsville we tried to cover it all.
The show started with extensive information on decisions surrounding COVID-19. We discussed decisions by Johns Hopkins and Amherst to close their doors to fans for the first weekend's games. We also had reactions and statements on the choice to return to Amherst this coming weekend for the Sectionals in women's basketball and the college's decision to, once again, ban fans from attending.We also talked about the incredible stories coming out of the tournament of how teams are moving on and how seasons came to a sudden and emotional finish.
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Congrats to the CNU women on their fifth consecutive appearance in the Sweet 16...only Amherst and Tufts can say the same, but it's worth noting that CNU has only played 2 of those 10 games at home, making the feat that much more impressive! #roadwarriors #ain'tdoneyet
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Congrats to the CNU women on their fifth consecutive appearance in the Sweet 16...only Amherst and Tufts can say the same, but it's worth noting that CNU has only played 2 of those 10 games at home, making the feat that much more impressive! #roadwarriors #ain'tdoneyet
almost half of those games, CNU could be considered "underdog" as well as on the road
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And with that, the 2019-20 seasons have come to a sudden end.
What a week it has been in college basketball. Exactly a week ago, as we hit the air, the first signs that COVID-19 was going to impact the NCAA Tournaments was seen. Since then, it has been a whirlwind.
Tonight on Hoopsville, we try and make sense of one of the stranger finishes in history for NCAA events. What started with isolated closings of gyms for games ends a week later in all games being called off through the rest of the academic year.
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Will there be a 2020-21 NCAA Division III basketball season? If so what will it look like? What will the post-season look like?
It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.
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The closer we get to the New Year, the more DIII teams are into the season grind. Though, we also hit a time when some teams are not playing for a few weeks while others scatter games around the holidays.
On Thursday's Hoopsville, Dave McHugh chats with several teams that are making headlines with terrific starts or dominating performances. Tune in as we talk to several men's and women's programs that fit the bill around the country.
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Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
My guess would be that Hope would remain at #1 and Trine would jump to #2, but I'm not a voter either. Just my guess.
Quote from: Baldini on January 27, 2022, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
My guess would be that Hope would remain at #1 and Trine would jump to #2, but I'm not a voter either. Just my guess.
Lots of valid debate on the boards recently about the pros and cons of Massey, but fwiw after last night's games Massey still has Hope rated #1 by a wide margin, Trine at #2 also by a pretty wide margin and CNU at #3 leading a fairly tightly packed group below
4.77 Hope
3.94 Trine
3.50 CNU
3.47 UWW
3.33 Simpson
3.27 NYU
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
It'd be nice to be #1 ranking but rematch games against Mary Wash & Salisbury (AT HOME) plus Santa Clara and Wheaton will be good tests on this team.
Both Mary Wash and Salisbury were really ugly games by CNU. But they were dealing with alot of COVID related issues week before...... and CNU does NOT lose at home.
Travelling across country for conference tourney is no easy feat either. time zone changes on athletes can really bother them especially when this CNU team has never traveled so far for games.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on January 28, 2022, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
It'd be nice to be #1 ranking but rematch games against Mary Wash & Salisbury (AT HOME) plus Santa Clara and Wheaton will be good tests on this team.
Both Mary Wash and Salisbury were really ugly games by CNU. But they were dealing with alot of COVID related issues week before...... and CNU does NOT lose at home.
Travelling across country for conference tourney is no easy feat either. time zone changes on athletes can really bother them especially when this CNU team has never traveled so far for games.
I am not in any way calling for an upset, but Finlandia could give them a good game considering the travel involved for CNU. Finlandia has a win at UW-Stout who is currently 35th on Massey and they played UW-Oshkosh fairly tight.
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
I don't think CNU will jump to #1. All 25 #1 votes went to Hope in last poll. I can't see all 25 (or enough of the 25) changing their minds in favor of CNU. I think CNU will get some #1 votes and Trine may get some of those #1 votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trine jump ahead of the Captains.
Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2022, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on January 27, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Does this mean that CNU will take over the top spot?!?! If so, I think it would be the first time in school history....
I don't think CNU will jump to #1. All 25 #1 votes went to Hope in last poll. I can't see all 25 (or enough of the 25) changing their minds in favor of CNU. I think CNU will get some #1 votes and Trine may get some of those #1 votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trine jump ahead of the Captains.
You were saying? :)
heck...what do I know?
I thought they had a shot, but wasn't sure myself...overall, I don't think this team is as talented as some of the former teams that received high rankings, but we'll see what happens...a couple of tough games ahead.
Quote from: Swish3 on February 01, 2022, 01:21:26 PM
I don't think this team is as talented as some of the former teams that received high rankings
Probably not, either, but what I was pondering yesterday as I was casting my ballot (one of the three still voting for Hope) is that D-III has changed quite a bit since the last time we crowned a champ. St. Thomas had been on my ballot probably hundreds of times, Thomas More the same. The division is not as strong without them and gotta figure most schools are at least two spots higher than they would be ranked otherwise.
Add in that Amherst seems decidedly not as good as in the past, and Wash U has been mortal for a few years, and ... and ... it's no longer as easy to vote in the Division III women's basketball Top 25.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2022, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 01, 2022, 01:21:26 PM
I don't think this team is as talented as some of the former teams that received high rankings
Probably not, either, but what I was pondering yesterday as I was casting my ballot (one of the three still voting for Hope) is that D-III has changed quite a bit since the last time we crowned a champ. St. Thomas had been on my ballot probably hundreds of times, Thomas More the same. The division is not as strong without them and gotta figure most schools are at least two spots higher than they would be ranked otherwise.
Add in that Amherst seems decidedly not as good as in the past, and Wash U has been mortal for a few years, and ... and ... it's no longer as easy to vote in the Division III women's basketball Top 25.
I see where you're coming from, Pat...good point...and, I'm sure everything involved in attempting to vote responsibly is a chore, at least at times.
Next weekend Mary Wash hosting C2C "pre"-conference tourney games. CNU vs Santa Cruz should be good game and toughest game left b4 C2C tourney at USC. CNU just struggles at Mary Wash court for some reason. IMO, Santa Cruz is #2 in C2C.
Yep, the game against UC Santa Cruz should be interesting...they're receiving votes for the Top 25 and Massey has them ranked 31st.
and UC-SC just landed someone on the Team of The Week.
I will be at both games this weekend.
UC Santa Cruz beat Whitman, so they have a good team. Problem for them is traveling so far for the games. But CNU will have that problem for C2C tournament.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 10, 2022, 03:57:58 PM
I will be at both games this weekend.
UC Santa Cruz beat Whitman, so they have a good team. Problem for them is traveling so far for the games. But CNU will have that problem for C2C tournament.
Keep us posted. I will be at the men's game Saturday!
UCSC is real deal. The game was VERY good and their starting 5 are as good as CNU starting 5. C2C tournament will be good test for CNU. Any of C2C top 4 teams all can win AQ from tournament. I think UCSC will finish #2 seed per Massey.
Senior night vs rival Salisbury next weekend big game.
with #4 CNU Men's team most likely getting NCAA home site for 1st round, that means #1 CNU Women's will be traveling AGAIN. Something about odd year is men's year while even years are women's.....
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 14, 2022, 09:34:54 AM
with #4 CNU Men's team most likely getting NCAA home site for 1st round, that means #1 CNU Women's will be traveling AGAIN. Something about odd year is men's year while even years are women's.....
That would be even year(2022) is men's priority.
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2022, 02:52:38 PM
UCSC is real deal. The game was VERY good and their starting 5 are as good as CNU starting 5. C2C tournament will be good test for CNU. Any of C2C top 4 teams all can win AQ from tournament. I think UCSC will finish #2 seed per Massey.
Senior night vs rival Salisbury next weekend big game.
I will try to tune in to the SU game while I'm in Florida. I might watch it on my porch in 80 degree weather a cold beer!!
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2022, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on February 13, 2022, 02:52:38 PM
UCSC is real deal. The game was VERY good and their starting 5 are as good as CNU starting 5. C2C tournament will be good test for CNU. Any of C2C top 4 teams all can win AQ from tournament. I think UCSC will finish #2 seed per Massey.
Senior night vs rival Salisbury next weekend big game.
I will try to tune in to the SU game while I'm in Florida. I might watch it on my porch in 80 degree weather a cold beer!!
Senior night is SU. Some really good players in this group with 2 sweet 16 and longest winning streak in CNU history. Really tough not being able to finish 2020 NCAA tournament and exhibition last year.
Conference tournaments are fully on. It is time for upsets and great games happening at all times. The results will not only be conference champions, but NCAA tourney dreams realized ... and dashed.
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So, as long as CNU wins the first and second rounds, they'll be hosting the Sweet 16, right? Even though I think the CNU men will probably advance to the Sweet 16, I'm virtually certain they'll be heading to Marietta for that....
Quote from: Swish3 on March 02, 2022, 09:50:25 AM
So, as long as CNU wins the first and second rounds, they'll be hosting the Sweet 16, right? Even though I think the CNU men will probably advance to the Sweet 16, I'm virtually certain they'll be heading to Marietta for that....
If there still alive, its a near guarantee. The only wrinkle would be if one of the other schools was farther than 600 miles from CNU, but closer to another team. That's not the case here. The Texas pod will be flying regardless and Cortland, SJF, and SUNY Poly are all under 600 miles. No reason CNU wouldn't host.
And it won't have anything to do with the status of the CNU men; the women have priority on the 2nd weekend.
for sweet 16, playing at home give CNU big edge.
CNU last home loss, 12/1/2018 by Messiah. The only home loss these seniors have ever known.
They love the home rims and shooting lines. just a very different team at home compared to away/neutral.
Quote from: ronk on March 02, 2022, 11:13:41 AM
And it won't have anything to do with the status of the CNU men; the women have priority on the 2nd weekend.
Thanks, ronk, I actually read where the women have priority the second weekend after I had commented....
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 02, 2022, 09:15:55 PM
for sweet 16, playing at home give CNU big edge.
CNU last home loss, 12/1/2018 by Messiah. The only home loss these seniors have ever known.
They love the home rims and shooting lines. just a very different team at home compared to away/neutral.
Got to win on Friday and Saturday first...Friday's game is probably the closest thing to a guaranteed win that you'll get in the tournament, but playing JH on their home floor will be a different story. The men hosted the sectional once, but the women haven't...frankly, they're deserving, as the majority of Broderick's tournament wins have been on the road...HUGE opportunity!
anyone going today and Saturday to Johns Hopkins for games? Make sure to bring N95 masks
Salisbury struggled with Baldwin-Wallace length and size. That 1st quarter blitz gave BW the lead and they never relinquished it. When there is size differential, especially at 1-3, the 1-3 has to be superb and BW guard off the bench was and ours weren't. Salisbury also struggled stopping BW big forward and reserve guard. However, they played tough. The man to man defense really hurt without being able to switch, which created 3 point opportunities for BW during their late 1st quarter blitz, which carried forward into 2nd.
Bad news, folks. Tufts is over 600 miles to CNU. The sectional will likely have to be played at Amherst to minimize flights. They've got a ton of them all over the board, so very little chance they'll give an extra one to get CNU home. Sorry.
Ryan I remember 2017 they flew Tufts and Scranton to Washington U and Oshkosh drove 6 or 7 hrs.So anything is possible!That year was almost the same as this bracket with CNU!So will wait and see.
And like Oshkosh to Wash U or Tufts to Scranton you can get at least Amherst to CNU with two flights!
CNU --> Amherst is 565 miles. All to save flight $$ for Tufts. If the rule had been 2020 rule of 500 miles, it would be played at CNU. So being #1 in nation gets no home court and almost 9 hour bus ride. Committee forget this when constructing upper left?
If DeSales had beaten Tufts last night, then CNU would be hosting next weekend.
It looks like Baldwin Wallace wasn't even an option for the committee, so that was six flights before considering CNU, not five, which means even less chance. Rough go of things for the Captains.
Well if that is the case then Scranton should host because NYU is 2 hrs away and fly hope,Millikin in just like with CNU situation.God forbid Amherst go on the road !
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
Well if that is the case then Scranton should host because NYU is 2 hrs away and fly hope,Millikin in just like with CNU situation.God forbid Amherst go on the road !
Hope's the higher seed there, and its two flights either way.
Well CNU is the higher seed with two flights 563 they can bus them remember 600 miles!
So in one pod we go by higher seed but the other we dont?
I think they did a terrible job with pods! 3 teams are hosting in the Midwest and of course Amherst in the east
I'm sorry CNU fans got screwed
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 12:24:19 PM
So in one pod we go by higher seed but the other we dont?
Geography is king in d3. Now, the committee could have bracketed differently to minimize flights in other places. The NCAA will sometimes allow an extra flight to reward seeding if there's a small number overall. To me, that's the regret from this tournament. It ruined their flexibility.
For the 2nd weekend, Scranton will always have an advantage relative to CNU by geography. This ad was modified this year by extending the distance from 500 to 600 miles, reduced for Scranton, increased for CNU. Without the mod, Amherst would still be hosting if DeSales had beaten Tufts, rather than CNU hosting this year if DeSales won last nite.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 12:24:19 PM
So in one pod we go by higher seed but the other we dont?
Geography is king in d3. Now, the committee could have bracketed differently to minimize flights in other places. The NCAA will sometimes allow an extra flight to reward seeding if there's a small number overall. To me, that's the regret from this tournament. It ruined their flexibility.
I personally think they can use outside help hint(D3hoops)In my eyes they really screwed CNU.For some reason Amherst didn't win their conference but will be hosting a sectional?That top 16 is garbage not even worth the print.It means nothing but to confuse people more!
Amherst is the highest ranked team in their quadrant that has the lowest # of flights required; if Marietta had beaten Hope, then Marietta would have hosted(no flights required). Them's the resources; it's not a question of screwing someone; you have a advantage/disadvantage by reason of geography for the 2nd weekend; it's going to be that way until there's a major change.
How do you figure that out Ronk highest ranked team in that quadrant?
According to Massey Hope,Trine,CNU,Whitewater top 4 teams Then Transylvania 10th Amherst 13th.So they gave two of the top 4 out.It seems to me they plug holes every year and they don't have one standard program! Wether it be the 600 miles for some teams or 3 Midwest teams hosting the sectionals.Im not happy that they can give Amherst a sectional over a Team that is more deserving that in CNU.I understand Scranton going to Hope but we can use this same scenario with Scranton.Why not give it to Scranton because they are "what they call centrally located"over Hope?NYU is 2 hrs to our east you could have flown in Hope,Millikin oh wait Hope is higher seed im fine with that.Amherst is not a higher seed then CNU and you can tell by the way the brackets came out!
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 02:02:04 PM
According to Massey Hope,Trine,CNU,Whitewater top 4 teams Then Transylvania 10th Amherst 13th.So they gave two of the top 4 out.It seems to me they plug holes every year and they don't have one standard program! Wether it be the 600 miles for some teams or 3 Midwest teams hosting the sectionals.Im not happy that they can give Amherst a sectional over a Team that is more deserving that in CNU.I understand Scranton going to Hope but we can use this same scenario with Scranton.Why not give it to Scranton because they are "what they call centrally located"over Hope?NYU is 2 hrs to our east you could have flown in Hope,Millikin oh wait Hope is higher seed im fine with that.Amherst is not a higher seed then CNU and you can tell by the way the brackets came out!
What does Massey have to do with any of this? In case you can't figure it out the answer is nothing.
Well show me where Amherst is ahead of CNU.You can't only use the criteria when it fits your way!
Your so quick to come up with a smart ass answer show me where Amherst is ahead of CNU?
Several people have already explained it to you, you just chose to not understand. In choosing who hosts the round of 16 the number one factor is who can host with no flights/fewest flights being taken with preference going to the highest seed that can do so. In this bracket the remaining seeding would be 1.) CNU would need two flights to host, 2.) Amherst would need one flight to host, 3.) Tufts would need two flights to host and 4.) Trinity would need three flights to host. So, who gets to host in this riddle? It's not hard to figure out if you really try.
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
How do you figure that out Ronk highest ranked team in that quadrant?
It's not the highest ranked team, it's the highest ranked team with the fewest flights required. As I've said, the committee messed this up by not bracketing to avoid flights. Yeah, there's going to be teams playing each other who wouldn't normally face off this second weekend, but there were ways to do that without having so many flights.
I mean, even without redoing the whole bracket, you could've switched the Tufts pod with the NYU pod and made it easier for CNU to host.
Agree and if you look back that was my exact words!Committee definetly needs help and I'm not sucking up to D3hoops but they do a better job and then you have no inside influence(another words politics)going on.I have seen it in the past and it goes on at this level also.Im always a believer reward the teams that deserve it not because you have flight issues or such.You work all year long to get that position. to be taken away because one team has only 1 flight compared to 2.They sure in hell didnt mind paying for a flight from PA to George Fox for 1 game.So my mind will never change CNU really got burnt and they need to fix it with all the money D1 makes hand some of it down!So put this behind and move on Good luck to all!
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
How do you figure that out Ronk highest ranked team in that quadrant?
It's not the highest ranked team, it's the highest ranked team with the fewest flights required. As I've said, the committee messed this up by not bracketing to avoid flights. Yeah, there's going to be teams playing each other who wouldn't normally face off this second weekend, but there were ways to do that without having so many flights.
I mean, even without redoing the whole bracket, you could've switched the Tufts pod with the NYU pod and made it easier for CNU to host.
I think the best switch was to move Ithaca Pod and Trine pod up to the bracket with Amherst ,Tufts and CNU ,Trinity(tx)to Mhbu,Transylvania pod
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
How do you figure that out Ronk highest ranked team in that quadrant?
It's not the highest ranked team, it's the highest ranked team with the fewest flights required. As I've said, the committee messed this up by not bracketing to avoid flights. Yeah, there's going to be teams playing each other who wouldn't normally face off this second weekend, but there were ways to do that without having so many flights.
I mean, even without redoing the whole bracket, you could've switched the Tufts pod with the NYU pod and made it easier for CNU to host.
I think the best switch was to move Ithaca Pod and Trine pod up to the bracket with Amherst ,Tufts and CNU ,Trinity(tx)to Mhbu,Transylvania pod
They couldn't do that; it would have 2(CNU,Transylvania) of the top 4 seeds in the same quadrant.
I understand!Ronk hopefully i will see you at Holland ,Michigan ?
As a CNU fan, I appreciate your comments, Augie2020...unfortunately, this is nothing new, so I'm disappointed, but not shocked. It really boils down to the kids getting the shaft...anyone that wants to mention that D3 makes up a tiny percentage of the overall revenue, please save your breath, or keystrokes, 'cause that "shouldn't" matter...that's like a high school AD telling the tennis team that all they can get are tennis balls for the season, simply because the football team brought in the majority of the money. What about uniforms, travel, equipment, etcetera? It "shouldn't" happen, plain and simple...whoever wins this sectional will have earned it, but I'm hoping the basketball Gods will be paying particular attention to CNU.
Quote from: Augie2020 on March 06, 2022, 04:52:33 PM
I understand!Ronk hopefully i will see you at Holland ,Michigan ?
Augie,
Too far for me; would have gone to Marietta if they had beaten Hope; that would have caused the same issue for the Marietta men this weekend as the CNU women last weekend.
NCAA "rules" should be modified to give flexibility for sectional hosting over current 600 miles limit. When you have 16 sites, I can see mileage limit helping to save money. But when it is 4 sites, give some flight money up to give higher regional seed hosting rights.
In this instance, it came down to one additional team having to fly and bureaucracy rules won. they were quick to change to 600 miles to save money but unwilling to allow CNU to pay for flights and request buses from Bradley Airport to defray those costs? that is asinine bureaucracy. NCAA saves money with not paying flights for CNU but unwilling to allow buses from Bradley Airport because CNU willing to pay for themselves???
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
NCAA "rules" should be modified to give flexibility for sectional hosting over current 600 miles limit. When you have 16 sites, I can see mileage limit helping to save money. But when it is 4 sites, give some flight money up to give higher regional seed hosting rights.
In this instance, it came down to one additional team having to fly and bureaucracy rules won. they were quick to change to 600 miles to save money but unwilling to allow CNU to pay for flights and request buses from Bradley Airport to defray those costs? that is asinine bureaucracy. NCAA saves money with not paying flights for CNU but unwilling to allow buses from Bradley Airport because CNU willing to pay for themselves???
Again, the issue was the rest of the bracket. If they had arranged it to minimize flights elsewhere, they'd have room here. The D3 budget issues are a problem, but they're not the cause of this particular one.
NCAA rigidity in mileage also plays here. Tufts is 619 miles from CNU while CNU to Amherst is 560 miles? so if computer had said 590 miles for Tufts, they would have been screwed. In other words, 19 miles decided CNU losing home court and traveling 10+ hours on bus
Quote from: VT-Alum-NOVA on March 07, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
NCAA "rules" should be modified to give flexibility for sectional hosting over current 600 miles limit. When you have 16 sites, I can see mileage limit helping to save money. But when it is 4 sites, give some flight money up to give higher regional seed hosting rights.
In this instance, it came down to one additional team having to fly and bureaucracy rules won. they were quick to change to 600 miles to save money but unwilling to allow CNU to pay for flights and request buses from Bradley Airport to defray those costs? that is asinine bureaucracy. NCAA saves money with not paying flights for CNU but unwilling to allow buses from Bradley Airport because CNU willing to pay for themselves???
Agree 100%
CNU flew into Boston today on CNU's dime.
Really looking forward to seeing the Trinity - CNU matchup. Most of the discussion on this board is about travel, something TU understands. CNU will face a fast, aggressive team in the Trinity women who, but for overtime and a 3-point bucket with 6 seconds to go in the first few games of the season, would also be undefeated.
Gonna be a great game!
Quote from: CNU85 on March 10, 2022, 04:24:24 PM
CNU flew into Boston today on CNU's dime.
Does that really make sense? I mean, if you're getting to the airport an hour before the flight, its an hour in the air, and then two hours by bus out to Amherst. Are you really saving much time over an 8 hour bus ride? Door to door the flying trip is maybe 5-6 hours, at best? If there's a direct flight.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2022, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 10, 2022, 04:24:24 PM
CNU flew into Boston today on CNU's dime.
Does that really make sense? I mean, if you're getting to the airport an hour before the flight, its an hour in the air, and then two hours by bus out to Amherst. Are you really saving much time over an 8 hour bus ride? Door to door the flying trip is maybe 5-6 hours, at best? If there's a direct flight.
Perhaps CNU didn't want the NCAA involved w/them getting there?
CNU has a helluva team! Really fun to watch them play. A nailbiter to the end.
Happy to see the TU Tigers move on.
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2022, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 10, 2022, 04:24:24 PM
CNU flew into Boston today on CNU's dime.
Does that really make sense? I mean, if you're getting to the airport an hour before the flight, its an hour in the air, and then two hours by bus out to Amherst. Are you really saving much time over an 8 hour bus ride? Door to door the flying trip is maybe 5-6 hours, at best? If there's a direct flight.
You obviously have not been on a bus and on I-95 lately. Googlemaps has it a 9.5 hour drive in great conditions and no stops. This is easily a 12 hour venture by bus. So, yeah cutting it down to half or less makes sense.
Quote from: D3Navy on March 11, 2022, 06:50:48 PM
CNU has a helluva team! Really fun to watch them play. A nailbiter to the end.
Happy to see the TU Tigers move on.
Thanks! I didn't get to see the game but when I noticed Trinity dropped 47 on CNU in the first half I knew they had figured out the Captains Chaos defense. Great run for the CNU seniors. At least the sweet 16 for their career (I believe that is correct) and a 76-11 overall record.
Quote from: CNU85 on March 14, 2022, 10:00:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2022, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 10, 2022, 04:24:24 PM
CNU flew into Boston today on CNU's dime.
Does that really make sense? I mean, if you're getting to the airport an hour before the flight, its an hour in the air, and then two hours by bus out to Amherst. Are you really saving much time over an 8 hour bus ride? Door to door the flying trip is maybe 5-6 hours, at best? If there's a direct flight.
You obviously have not been on a bus and on I-95 lately. Googlemaps has it a 9.5 hour drive in great conditions and no stops. This is easily a 12 hour venture by bus. So, yeah cutting it down to half or less makes sense.
Oh, I just assumed they'd take the bridge-tunnel and go up the peninsula. I only venture down that part of I-95 if its the middle of the night.
The season is almost here. Top 25 is out. Good to see the Lady Captains at #6. I also like the roster this year!
Quote from: CNU85 on October 31, 2022, 12:40:32 PM
The season is almost here. Top 25 is out. Good to see the Lady Captains at #6. I also like the roster this year!
Grind out win against Santa Cruz helped CNU gain #1 ranking again this year. I did not expect another possible undefeated regular season with the multiple senior losses from last year's team. Looking forward to C2C tourney and possible rematch with Santa Cruz in final.
Talk about a tough break for Anaya Simmons and CNU...hoping the team can step up and play inspired basketball. It goes w/out saying that the games only get tougher the deeper you go in the tournament, and tonight will be no exception...any team that beats Hope on their home floor is really, really good, so it will be tough sleddin'...one game at a time!
GO LADY CAPS!
Great game from CNU...may very well have to play Tufts on their home court for the right to go to the final four...keep it going, and good luck, ladies!
Wow, what a weekend...playing w/out Anaya and Katy, but still manage to get it done...hoping CNU can halt Rhode Island's magical run...amazing job, ladies!
C2C Women's Basketball Tournament schedule has been set.
The host school this year is Mount Mary in Milwaukee, WI-- NPI rankings currently have the host school as the #5 seed in the C2C Tournament, and if those rankings hold through the conclusion of play on Sunday, Feb. 23, then Mount Mary (#5 seed) will be playing in the Thursday, Feb. 27 game vs (#4 seed) UC Santa Cruz, with the winner advancing to play in Friday's semifinal vs (#1 seed) Christopher Newport.
Warren Wilson has opted out of the C2C Women's Basketball Tournament by notifying the C2C in a timely manner, so the C2C tournament field will comprise of the remaining 5 of the 6 C2C members participating in the sport (Christopher Newport, Salisbury, Mary Washington, UC Santa Cruz, Mount Mary).
The C2C seeds their teams by their standing in the NPI rankings per league policy.
Based on the current NPI rankings, the #1 seed will most likely be Christopher Newport, #4 seed will most likely be UC Santa Cruz, and the #5 seed will most likely be the host school Mount Mary. The NPI rankings for the #2 and #3 seeds between Salisbury and Mary Washington are very close, and we will probably have to wait until the conclusion of play next Sunday, Feb. 23, to see which one of these 2 schools gets the #2 seed with the other getting the #3 seed.
Schedule can be found at http://c2csports.com/tournaments/wbb/2024-25/index