I felt as we get closer to the "normal" school year, the readers of D3hoops would most easily keep up to date with conference reschedules, postponements or cancellations in one spot.... as far as I'm concerned, fall sports announcements could be reported here too, as they would likely help prepare us all for winter changes....
To start, it was reported in the NCAC room today... that all sports in the NCAC have been suspended until at least December 31, 2020.
From what I have gathered, these are the conferences that have suspended all competition through the end of 2020, which would mean basketball would not start on time:
Liberty
North Coast
Old Dominion
SAA
List of fall affected: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall (https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall)
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 22, 2020, 08:09:27 PM
List of fall affected: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall (https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall)
And this page also denotes which schools/conferences are out for the full fall semester, not just the fall sports season.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 22, 2020, 08:09:27 PM
List of fall affected: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall (https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall)
And this page also denotes which schools/conferences are out for the full fall semester, not just the fall sports season.
Yikes, I had no idea the list was already so significant... the D3sports item supplies it all.... I'll have to start checking it, as for all these years I've been 99% D3hoops with a smattering of D3football...
Pat this page that I started probably isn't required... feel free to take down....
Quote from: hopefan on July 22, 2020, 09:53:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on July 22, 2020, 08:09:27 PM
List of fall affected: https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall (https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/06/schools-call-it-off-for-fall)
And this page also denotes which schools/conferences are out for the full fall semester, not just the fall sports season.
Yikes, I had no idea the list was already so significant... the D3sports item supplies it all.... I'll have to start checking it, as for all these years I've been 99% D3hoops with a smattering of D3football...
Pat this page that I started probably isn't required... feel free to take down....
I actually like it if it can be used as a central hub for school and conference shutdowns.
I noticed Babson wasn't listed with the NEWMAC schools. Here is the statement released the other day.
https://www.babsonathletics.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200717flj75y
Add the NACC to the list of all sports postponed for the fall semester.
Announced July 27
The President's Council of the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC), after much deliberation and discussion, has voted to postpone the 2020 fall competition in the team sports of volleyball and soccer and move both sports to a spring 2021 season.
Men's and Women's Cross Country, Men's and Women's Golf and Men's and Women's Tennis will be allowed to have limited competitions during the fall of 2020 while following the directives of local, state, and national health organizations.
Quote from: hopefan on July 27, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Announced July 27
The President's Council of the St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC), after much deliberation and discussion, has voted to postpone the 2020 fall competition in the team sports of volleyball and soccer and move both sports to a spring 2021 season.
Men's and Women's Cross Country, Men's and Women's Golf and Men's and Women's Tennis will be allowed to have limited competitions during the fall of 2020 while following the directives of local, state, and national health organizations.
What about field hockey? I'm on the East Coast so excuse my naivete...............what about football?
^^^ The SLIAC does not sponsor field hockey or football. While there are three or four conference schools that still have football programs, they affiliate elsewhere for conference play. To my knowledge there are no schools in the SLIAC that have field hockey teams.
Field hockey is strictly a northeastern thing.
That used to be the case for lacrosse as well, but that sport has made some serious inroads in the midwest over the past generation. But I don't foresee field hockey following suit.
The NJAC just announced no fall sports.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
Field hockey is strictly a northeastern thing.
That used to be the case for lacrosse as well, but that sport has made some serious inroads in the midwest over the past generation. But I don't foresee field hockey following suit.
Thanks, I never knew that!! What does that make Squash (not the vile veggie either ;) ) ?
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
Field hockey is strictly a northeastern thing.
That used to be the case for lacrosse as well, but that sport has made some serious inroads in the midwest over the past generation. But I don't foresee field hockey following suit.
Nope ... FH won't... Lacrosse has and I love it (spread cross the country) ... but FH has it's spots but not many. Even Stanford cut FH!
The WIAC canceled all sports for the Fall Semester.
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 28, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
The WIAC canceled all sports for the Fall Semester.
I have not seen that Greek. Source?
A former girlfriend's daughter played Field Hockey on the University of North Carolina national championship team a few years ago.
Now I know that's not the "Northeast", as they tawk funny.........and not like us at all. They have no clue what good cheesesteaks, hoagies and bagels taste like down there either!! ;)
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on July 29, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 28, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
The WIAC canceled all sports for the Fall Semester.
I have not seen that Greek. Source?
How could you miss it? It's the lead story on the WIAC website.
Here it is:
https://wiacsports.com/news/2020/7/27/general-wiac-fall-statement-on-covid-19.aspx
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 29, 2020, 09:39:32 AM
A former girlfriend's daughter played Field Hockey on the University of North Carolina national championship team a few years ago.
Now I know that's not the "Northeast", as they tawk funny.........and not like us at all. They have no clue what good cheesesteaks, hoagies and bagels taste like down there either!! ;)
Don't be fooled by that. D1 schools have been known to sponsor women's sports that are not popular in their areas, or that don't have much, if any, local recruiting potential due to a lack of local high schools and clubs that participate in that sport. Look at the current roster for the Tarheels field hockey team, for example. It almost entirely consists of residents of northeastern states, with a sprinkling of European players. (https://goheels.com/sports/field-hockey/roster) There's a grand total of one North Carolina resident on the entire team.
The classic example of a D1 school sponsoring -- and excelling in -- a women's sport that isn't/wasn't played within their area is Northwestern women's lacrosse. The Wildcats became a national power and won five straight national championships in the mid-'00s before the sport really gained any footing in Chicagoland on the high-school level. Even today, only between 15-20% of Illinois high schools have girls lacrosse teams, most of them Chicagoland outer-ring suburban schools, private schools, or downstate big-town/small-city schools.
This particular fish-out-of-water phenomenon is an artifact of Title IX and the need to balance athletics offerings between women and men.
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 28, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 28, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
Field hockey is strictly a northeastern thing.
That used to be the case for lacrosse as well, but that sport has made some serious inroads in the midwest over the past generation. But I don't foresee field hockey following suit.
Thanks, I never knew that!! What does that make Squash (not the vile veggie either ;) ) ?
Squash isn't an NCAA-sponsored sport. But I can tell you that in terms of team competition it's very much a northeastern-only sport, and a class-based one at that. It's traditionally been a sport associated with the socioeconomic elite. (Frasier and Niles Crane conversing about their squash games at their country club was a running joke in the sitcom
Frasier.) Your average midwesterner, southerner, or westerner barely even knows that the sport exists, let alone how it's played.
Intercollegiate squash competition is governed by the College Squash Association. Here's the list of the schools that sponsor men's varsity squash teams in the CSA. It's a list that's very telling in terms of both the narrowly regional interest and the traditional socioeconomic base of the sport:
https://csasquash.com/teams/mens-varsity/
Up until a few years ago, the only place that I'd ever seen a squash court here in Chicago was in Crown Field House at the University of Chicago. Nowadays, it's enjoying a bit of a fitness-industry boom nationally among yuppies, so various fitness clubs in the yuppie lakefront neighborhoods on Chicago's North Side as well as the more established health clubs in the Near North and the Loop are adding squash courts.
Squash makes more sense to me than handball which was too hard on the hands. ;D
I think at this point it might be easier to list the schools/conferences that have not announced their intentions, yet.
Anyone have that list? The story on d3sports.com has a loooooong list of schools that have announced what they are doing. I wonder who we are waiting to hear from? Not that it really matters. Everyone/everything is done.
Field hockey and handball are both sports that could have been big at the college level but fell out of favor for whatever reason. Racquetball too.
Field hockey is relatively popular in St. Louis and Louisville among other cities by the way.
Quote from: CNU85 on July 29, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
I think at this point it might be easier to list the schools/conferences that have not announced their intentions, yet.
Anyone have that list? The story on d3sports.com has a loooooong list of schools that have announced what they are doing. I wonder who we are waiting to hear from? Not that it really matters. Everyone/everything is done.
The AMCC and the Landmark -- I've added clarification that the last Landmark statement was on June 9.
QuoteIntercollegiate squash competition is governed by the College Squash Association. Here's the list of the schools that sponsor men's varsity squash teams in the CSA. It's a list that's very telling in terms of both the narrowly regional interest and the traditional socioeconomic base of the sport:
Trinity (Conn.) was a juggernaut in squash for a while, winning every match and championship for a span of 13 years (Eat your heart out, John Wooden!). I was there for the start of it and friends with the key recruit who started it all. Two things I always appreciated about Trinity's approach to squash.
First, those dudes generally worked hard in class and outside of it. They were clearly into the academic side of their experience. Same thing for the women's players.
Second, the men's coach was very open to people like me who had never heard of squash but liked to dink around on his courts. He taught squash for beginners and opened the facility up to the general student public. Imagine Coach K deciding to open Cameron Indoor to Duke's student body.
That was 20 years ago and, for all I know, the Bants may have a super-fancy facility restricted to the players. But they were about as proletarian as a squash team at a liberal arts school could be in the late 90s. :)
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 29, 2020, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on July 29, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 28, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
The WIAC canceled all sports for the Fall Semester.
I have not seen that Greek. Source?
How could you miss it? It's the lead story on the WIAC website.
Here it is:
https://wiacsports.com/news/2020/7/27/general-wiac-fall-statement-on-covid-19.aspx
Yes I did read that on Monday. But, the WIAC, in that release, has only canceled fall sports, not all sports in the fall semester. Winter sports in the fall semester still on for now in the WIAC.
Quote from: WUPHF on July 29, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
Field hockey and handball are both sports that could have been big at the college level but fell out of favor for whatever reason. Racquetball too.
Field hockey is relatively popular in St. Louis and Louisville among other cities by the way.
Field Hockey is slowly (and I mean slowly) starting to gain some traction at the middle school and high school level in areas out side of the Northeast. Not quite like how lacrosse has spread over the last decade, but it is growing.
Another ex-girlfriend (I have a trophy case full of exes........I bore quickly ;) ) has a daughter who plays field hockey at Bates and between her academic chops, her athletic prowess (and the fact she is a triplet.......with brothers at Georgetown and Harvard.......and another who was a stud on this past Ithaca's Hoops team).........she is almost going for free. The field hockey helped her very much. I'm stunned at the lack of interest or traction in chunks of the country.
Quote from: WUPHF on July 29, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
Field hockey and handball are both sports that could have been big at the college level but fell out of favor for whatever reason. Racquetball too.
Field hockey is relatively popular in St. Louis and Louisville among other cities by the way.
That piqued my curiosity, so, since it's a slow day at work and I'm always willing to machete my way through really obscure jungles in the quest for more knowledge, I decided to take a look at the national sweep of field hockey on the high-school level.
The best place to do this is on Maxpreps, a high-school athletics site that covers a fairly large suite of interscholastic sports. Maxpreps lists 20 states as having high-school teams in the sport of field hockey. All of them are in the northeast, except for California, Colorado, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, and Wisconsin (?!).
* California has over 200 high-school field hockey teams, so the sport is obviously well-established there (probably due to transplants from the northeast, at least originally).
* Colorado has 16 high-school field hockey teams, all fairly close to Denver.
* Kentucky has 20 high-school field hockey teams. Sure enough, as WUPHF said, it's Louisville-centric; seventeen of those teams are located in the 'ville proper, and two are in the suburbs. The outlier is down along the Tennessee border, which is strange. Almost all of these schools are private.
* Missouri has over 200 high-school field hockey teams. They're not just confined to metro St. Louis, either; the sport seems to cover much of the state.
* North Carolina has over 200 high-school field hockey teams. Most of them are in greater Charlotte and the Research Triangle, so this might be a transplant phenomenon as well.
* Ohio has 41 high-school field hockey teams. The sport is pretty well confined to the northeastern corner of the state, aside from a large pack of suburban high schools in metro Columbus.
* Texas has 20 high-school field hockey teams. They're all located in the Houston, Dallas/Ft. Worth, and Austin areas, and they all seem to be private schools. This practically screams "transplants from Yankee Land."
* Virginia has over 200 high-school field hockey teams. Private schools are very heavily represented, as is the state's DC suburbs in the north.
* Wisconsin, bringing the weirdness, has nine high schools that offer field hockey. They're all private, and all but one are in greater Milwaukee.
The combination of private schools and wealthy-suburb public schools leads me to believe that most of these isolated pockets of field hockey outside of the northeast can be explained by white-collar northeasterners bringing the sport with them as they moved around the country for business; when a critical mass of them had daughters enrolled in those schools, field hockey teams sprouted up.
California is the transplant capital of the world, of course, and it has a well-known reputation for imitation and proliferation that would help to explain why it has so many field hockey teams. Virginia and North Carolina have comparatively large numbers of field hockey teams as well, but those two states have been inundated with damnyankees for a couple of generations now, as everybody knows. Still, we're only talking about roughly a third of NC high schools and about a quarter of VA high schools that offer the sport. And it's telling that UNC is still getting its players from the northeast rather than from the local schools, as indicated by the roster of the Tarheels that I linked earlier.
These transplant pockets aside, field hockey is still more or less a northeastern sport.
Missouri is the real outlier, though. It's hard to explain why the sport is played so widely across the Show Me State.
[/too much time on my hands today]
Weird that our field hockey posts were ten seconds apart, jmcozenlaw.
While I'm not sold on the idea that, California and Missouri notwithstanding, field hockey is going to gain traction outside of the northeast except in schools where well-heeled northeastern transplants are pushing for it, it's certainly doing a better job than girls ice hockey at proliferation. There's still fewer than 500 high schools in America that offer girls ice hockey, and about a third of them are in Minnesota. Yet there's around 70 D3 schools that offer it as a varsity sport, many of which are located in states that don't have it at the high-school level.
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on July 29, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 29, 2020, 10:24:44 AM
Quote from: PauldingLightUP on July 29, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 28, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
The WIAC canceled all sports for the Fall Semester.
I have not seen that Greek. Source?
How could you miss it? It's the lead story on the WIAC website.
Here it is:
https://wiacsports.com/news/2020/7/27/general-wiac-fall-statement-on-covid-19.aspx
Yes I did read that on Monday. But, the WIAC, in that release, has only canceled fall sports, not all sports in the fall semester. Winter sports in the fall semester still on for now in the WIAC.
Good point. That's an important distinction.
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 29, 2020, 05:09:41 PM
Missouri is the real outlier, though. It's hard to explain why the sport is played so widely across the Show Me State.
If only we could click the karma button more than once per day...
As for Missouri in general and St. Louis in particular, I do think it goes back to St. Louis and the development of all-girls Catholic schools in the 19th century.
Incidentally, Washington University and Saint Louis University, among other local institutions, were playing Women's Field Hockey back in the early of the 20th century, before they had dedicated varsity Women's programs.
Quote from: WUPHF on July 29, 2020, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 29, 2020, 05:09:41 PM
Missouri is the real outlier, though. It's hard to explain why the sport is played so widely across the Show Me State.
If only we could click the karma button more than once per day...
My goofing off at work today was not in vain. :D
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 30, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
That was helpful to read. Discouraging, but helpful nevertheless. Thanks for posting it.
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 31, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 30, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
That was helpful to read. Discouraging, but helpful nevertheless. Thanks for posting it.
You're welcome! i don't want to be the "doomsday" person on the boards, but I also am seeing more and more of this type of information
I'd rather plan for the worst case scenario................while hoping and praying for the best.
^^^ You are not being a doomsday person -- just realistic.
If we are going to see the return of sports (and many of the other things that were once normal), then everybody in the country will need to take the virus seriously and adapt their behavior and habits to limit the opportunities for it to spread uncontrolled. This thing is a serious challenge which, because you can't see it, causes people to think it isn't there -- until they get it.
The epidemiologist interviewed in that piece said: "We will be dealing with this virus forever. Effective and safe vaccines and hopefully ones with some durability will be very important, even critical tools, in fighting it. But the whole world is going to be experiencing COVID-19 'til the end of time. We're not going to be vaccinating our way out of this to eight-plus billion people in the world right now. And if we don't get durable immunity, we're potentially looking at revaccination on a routine basis, if we can do that. We've really got to come to grips with actually living with this virus, for at least my lifetime, and at the same time, it doesn't mean we can't do a lot about it."
While it would be nice if he is wrong, we should right now be acting as if he is right.
He's got a point ... here is where I make my only real flu comparison: the flu isn't going away. It will be with us until the end of time. Same with the common cold and other things. We have ways to battle those from vaccines to anti-virals and anything else that might work. We have nothing for COVID right now and we need to bridge the gap until we do. If we keep acting like morons (and I'm being generic per "we"), then we do more harm until that gap is closed. We need to be smart and work our way through this ... and many are not being smart. They are being, as Ryan Scott said elsewhere, "lazy."
I can't wait until people start complaining that their college football and pro sports aren't on TV or they can't go to the game. Or their kids aren't in school. And it's revealed they are one of those who thinks masks are a right that shouldn't be trampled on (let's not even get into how many things they do for health and safety that are mandated) ... they are the ones who have put themselves and all of us in this situation. We could have nipped this in the butt and at least lessened the transmission, but ... we were lazy.
Lazy is an extremely charitable description of what's going on.
Being smart and working our way through this, in light of the probability of an endemic Covid-19, means what?
I ask as someone who has worn a mask everywhere I go since the Washington University-North Central game was cancelled, but also as someone deeply concerned that we are throwing our economic and social life off a cliff.
The cliff is a lot steeper and more problematic if we don't get ahold of things ...
Maybe it is rhetorical and I should not expect anyone here to have to answer it, but it is not clear how we get a hold of things if it is not going away.
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 31, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 31, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 30, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
That was helpful to read. Discouraging, but helpful nevertheless. Thanks for posting it.
You're welcome! i don't want to be the "doomsday" person on the boards, but I also am seeing more and more of this type of information
I'd rather plan for the worst case scenario................while hoping and praying for the best.
Who the doomsday person is apparently depends on who you ask. ;D ;D
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 31, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 31, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 30, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
That was helpful to read. Discouraging, but helpful nevertheless. Thanks for posting it.
You're welcome! i don't want to be the "doomsday" person on the boards, but I also am seeing more and more of this type of information
I'd rather plan for the worst case scenario................while hoping and praying for the best.
Who the doomsday person is apparently depends on who you ask. ;D ;D
Nice!!!!!!! ;)
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 01, 2020, 01:24:18 PM
He's got a point ... here is where I make my only real flu comparison: the flu isn't going away. It will be with us until the end of time. Same with the common cold and other things. We have ways to battle those from vaccines to anti-virals and anything else that might work. We have nothing for COVID right now and we need to bridge the gap until we do. If we keep acting like morons (and I'm being generic per "we"), then we do more harm until that gap is closed. We need to be smart and work our way through this ... and many are not being smart. They are being, as Ryan Scott said elsewhere, "lazy."
I can't wait until people start complaining that their college football and pro sports aren't on TV or they can't go to the game. Or their kids aren't in school. And it's revealed they are one of those who thinks masks are a right that shouldn't be trampled on (let's not even get into how many things they do for health and safety that are mandated) ... they are the ones who have put themselves and all of us in this situation. We could have nipped this in the butt and at least lessened the transmission, but ... we were lazy.
Spot on Dave!!
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 31, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 31, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 30, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
That was helpful to read. Discouraging, but helpful nevertheless. Thanks for posting it.
You're welcome! i don't want to be the "doomsday" person on the boards, but I also am seeing more and more of this type of information
I'd rather plan for the worst case scenario................while hoping and praying for the best.
Who the doomsday person is apparently depends on who you ask. ;D ;D
Personally, I doubt we see any college sports this academic year at all, barring a quick turnaround on a vaccine and getting the doses distributed to the entire populace (which will take longer than people think).
Colleges want no part of that liability and many schools/conferences are just kicking the can down the road to keep faint hope alive for the athletes that they need to stay enrolled and paying. Every sport is gonna feel the hurt. Playing fall or winter sports in the spring? Good luck telling that to the spring athletes that already got screwed over in 2020 that they will get hosed again in 2021. That's what departmental mutinies are made of and will engender years of bad feelings.
Plus, a ton of institutions will have no-fly/no-overnight travel policies enacted campus wide. Local opponents only basically.
Back in April, I was pessimistic about fall sports being played. As the summer progressed and there were still no concrete plans for resumption, that pessimism increased to encapsulate the winter season as well. Schools just recently finalized their plans to even have campuses be open, much less host teams from other institutions that may not share the same health protocols.
They can start a season, but the likelihood they finish a season is remote. The first COVID outbreak that hits the teams/campus will shut down everything.
Quote from: blue_jays on August 03, 2020, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 01, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 31, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 31, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Quote from: jmcozenlaw on July 30, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
Given how spot on this expert was PRIOR TO THE END OF JANUARY, he has been my go to pro (not in an anti-Fauci way..........but Fauci is playing AA ball compared to this cat!!) THIS article is sobering and it's what I've been saying all along about the effectiveness of a vaccine on top of how many people will NOT ever get inoculated. Depressing as hell!!!:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30?mod=home-page
That was helpful to read. Discouraging, but helpful nevertheless. Thanks for posting it.
You're welcome! i don't want to be the "doomsday" person on the boards, but I also am seeing more and more of this type of information
I'd rather plan for the worst case scenario................while hoping and praying for the best.
Who the doomsday person is apparently depends on who you ask. ;D ;D
Personally, I doubt we see any college sports this academic year at all, barring a quick turnaround on a vaccine and getting the doses distributed to the entire populace (which will take longer than people think).
Colleges want no part of that liability and many schools/conferences are just kicking the can down the road to keep faint hope alive for the athletes that they need to stay enrolled and paying. Every sport is gonna feel the hurt. Playing fall or winter sports in the spring? Good luck telling that to the spring athletes that already got screwed over in 2020 that they will get hosed again in 2021. That's what departmental mutinies are made of and will engender years of bad feelings.
Plus, a ton of institutions will have no-fly/no-overnight travel policies enacted campus wide. Local opponents only basically.
Back in April, I was pessimistic about fall sports being played. As the summer progressed and there were still no concrete plans for resumption, that pessimism increased to encapsulate the winter season as well. Schools just recently finalized their plans to even have campuses be open, much less host teams from other institutions that may not share the same health protocols.
They can start a season, but the likelihood they finish a season is remote. The first COVID outbreak that hits the teams/campus will shut down everything.
THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
Especially the last couple of sentences in the first paragraph. I've been saying that for quite a while now. Collegiate Armageddon down aisle 3 and take a left! (no political pun intended ;) ). What the Power 5 Conferences are trying to force through (forget everything else they are using as cover......as in "all sports"......this is about football, football and football). Does the Power 5 really have the stones to divorce itself from all things NCAA? Pat and Dave would know one helluva lot more than me. Stay tuned. The back half of this year and most, if not all of next year, could be as insane as the past few months!!
There are certainly those who think the Power 5 will now move to divorce themselves from the NCAA, but I still think they need the NCAA more than anyone realizes.
Everyone looks at the Power 5 through the prism of football and basketball while somehow forgetting all the other sports on their campuses. They aren't exactly going to be thrilled trying to run championships for those sports that the NCAA already runs. And this isn't a problem of "minimums" because they are all well above minimums to begin with - so leaving to cut sports isn't a thing. And the magic that brings in the money for March that basically fuels the entire NCAA budget (and gives even the Power 5 money back) is that the underdog in basketball can beat a Power 5 team. The tournament is a little less appealing if it is only Power 5 teams participating ... and it is watered down if Power 5 has a tournament and so does the NCAA. No one gets the benefit of the "big bucks" that way.
Power 5 already gets its money from the bowl games. Those aren't run by the NCAA. So, the Power 5 is already getting to have it's cake and eat it, too. The problem is, they have a significant problem on their own campuses. The smart thing is to shut things down this fall, but if they do that then they lose football even if the NCAA doesn't directly enforce that sport (at least the championship). Because if they move forward with the football so they can have bowl games, then the rest of their fall sports file one of the easiest lawsuits of all time and the Power 5 schools are screwed.
Is the Power 5 trying to keep sports alive so they don't lose more money? Damn well they are. Are they in disagreement with the NCAA as a result? Yep. Will it result in them splitting off into their own world - I don't really think so.
BTW - The BOG this week could say they are keeping championships going if they want, but that doesn't mean DII and DIII have to agree. Fall sports will be canceled this week ... it is just a matter of who announces it: NCAA BOG or the Divisions themselves.
There's a retired D1 AD I talk to some. He's been saying for years there will be a 64 team revolt. The biggest schools will form eight, eight team leagues and just skip away from the NCAA. That made a lot of sense to me, until, in the last few years, its become apparent just how far the NCAA is willing to bend over backwards to keep the cash cows around. There's no real need to split from the NCAA, when the NCAA will eventually let you do whatever you want anyway.
I'm much more aligned with Dave's line of thinking now. The NCAA is not taking much, in the way of revenue, out of the pockets of those big earning schools. Even if they run their own championships, there are still costs and administration involved. It's likely not worth it so long as the NCAA keeps letting the big schools do what they want.
For Dave, Ryan, Gordon and Pat...........
What are you guys hearing about basketball come January 1? With more schools not only shutting down fall sports, but shutting everything down through the end of this calendar year, how do you think things play out?
When can practices start? If schools are keeping students away from the Thanksgiving Break through January 20 (as an example) and want to keep the physical campus hermetically sealed, what can start come January 1 and how? Give me an idea of when you think practices start and games start and end (and how many)?
Also, as many some football players are doing this fall, do you see some basketball players taking a spring 'gap' (vs. playing a significantly reduced number of games) and burning through a year of eligibility?
To me, it's one thing for the student athlete either enrolled in a 4 + 1 or who needs the extra semester or two to graduate. If the student athlete can afford it, will there be a wave of gap semesters?
Thanks gentlemen!!! God Bless.
Way too early to know, honestly. I think there's some movement to get a Jan-Apr schedule set up - but nobody knows if the infection numbers or vaccine will be a place to make it happen. As for students taking a year off, I'm sure you'll see a lot of it. They might get eligibility back for a cancelled season, but they're still paying tuition, and between online classes and no sports, that tuition might not seem worth what they're getting. I have not heard specific names as it relates to basketball, though.
The ball is rolling on at least talk about what to do with the season. I have a Hoopsville podcast coming out Monday (is the plan) with one idea in the works - but who knows what will or won't be done at this point.
Administrators have dealt with the fall ... are coming up for some air ... and then will start looking at the winter sports in more detail. At this point, I think everything from no season at all, to a truncated season, to an ad hoc season (some starting in November, majority starting in January), to a shifted season are all possible ... and I couldn't put betting odds on any of the options right now.
Thank you Ryan and Dave!! Dave, I am looking forward to the podcast tomorrow.............and since you always have good ideas, the one after that.
I do have an idea, but I'm still contractually in a non-disclosure period that might very well be able to help support D3Hoops and D3Football, as well as something that thye four of you (Pat, Dave, Ryan and Gordon) might be interested in personally. I will broach the subject when I'm allowed.
Let us know -- we are trying hard not to go away during this time where our revenue is ... shall we say awful. :)
I echo Pat ... let us know. I am certainly intrigued.
There may be a delay on the podcast to Tuesday, but we shall see.
I am also working on two other projects per the show and such. One would be a pay-per type thing, but far more in-depth. The other ... is an intriguing idea that needs to massaged to really work right. More on both in the coming months.
in the minutes of the July 30 D3 championships committee meeting, I found this towards the bottom. Dave has probably touched on it in a podcast, but for the visual learners among us:
QuoteOne area of continued discussion is the minimum level of sport sponsorship to merit a championship this year. On this topic, members continued an analysis based on varying sponsorship percentages by sport to determine how best to provide a quality championship experience and suggested the following guideline (to be finalized during a future meeting): sports with fewer than 50 sponsors require 90% participation; sports with between 51 and 200 sponsors require 70% participation, and sports with more than 200 sponsors require 60% participation.
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.
The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.
What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?
On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.
Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).
Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor
And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.
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Will there be a 2020-21 NCAA Division III basketball season? If so what will it look like? What will the post-season look like?
It is on the mind of student-athletes, coaches, administrators, parents, and fans for several weeks, if not months, now. We are finally understanding what it may look like as a number of decisions or proposals are now making their way around Division III.
In this month's podcast, Dave McHugh not only downloads all the things being considered and the likely outcomes, but tries to give listeners an understanding of how much is still unknown despite some things becoming more clear.
McHugh also talks to Texas-Dallas women's basketball coach Polly Thomason for her take. Thomason has been in the Division III Women's Basketball National Committee for several years and is this season's chair of the committee. She also serves on the WBCA Board of Governors. Thomason not only provides her perspective on much of what is going on not only in Division III, but in women's basketball as well.
And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. Unfortunately, there is some sad news in the Notebook this month, but also news to celebrate especially when it comes to DIII alums making news in the NBA.
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