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Thanks for the clarification.  I agree that wasn't the deciding factor in the game. The 5 turnovers, and blocked field goal definately didn't help Augie's cause. Carthage's kick had a nice game kicking 2 fgs of 45+ yards. It would have been interesting because Augie was able to move down the field pretty easily with their new shotgun formation.  Augie threw the ball a lot more than normal on 2nd and 3rd downs throughout the whole game. I'm wondering if they were trying to open up the offense to give NC a different look.  Seeing that NC has had Augie's number the past couple of years, they are going to need to do something to keep them off balance.

Quote from: bgbully40 on October 21, 2007, 01:15:28 AM
I remember the Augie punter taking 2 steps to the right when he was kicking the ball and into an on rushing defender last week and he got the roughing the kicker call giving the vikings a first down and on their way to a field goal.  So turn around is fair play

There is a difference between a fumble on the play, and the kicker running a couple of steps and then deciding to kick the ball. The kick you were referring to last week wasn't a fumble but a direct snap to the kicker who decided to run before kicking.

With Augie down 12 with 6:00 minutes left in the game, they went to the shotgun with a 3 receiver set. They switched that set up with a shotgun with the wing back formation. They had replaced McGuiness with Podulka who ran the offense well. Augie looked like they were going to get the ball back with a bad snap on Carthage's punt attempt when the roughing the kicker penalty was called.  I'm not an expert on the rules, but once the kicker fumbled the ball and started to run I thought there wasn't a penalty for roughing the kicker? 

Augie turned the ball over 5 times which ended up costing them the game. They were up 14-10 and were inside the Carthage 10, when they fumbled that turned the game around. Carthage drove down and scored, and picked off a pass as Augie tried to run a hurry up offense before the end of the first half which resulted in a int and a Carthage TD.

Disappointing loss for Augie tonight considering they gained almost 400 yards of offense. It will be interesting to see if they will go 6-4 or most likely 5-5 because I don't see them winning homecoming against NC.

Deal:

Go to the scoreboard page. On the right side there will be a box you can click, and they will show both the home and visitor broadcast links for the NCC and Carthage game. I know the Carthage link works, I haven't tried the NCC link, but it sounds like it's working.

Quote from: usee on October 22, 2006, 06:55:59 PM

Quote from: augiedogie on October 22, 2006, 04:50:54 PM
I also don't think the community is behind Augie as much as some of the other schools closer to Chicagoland. With a great majority of Augie's population coming from the Chicagoland area, I don't think the students and community share the same bond as a Elmhurst or Wheaton.

I can't believe it has come to this. There is no way any team (mayber IWU) has as good a following as Augie football. for years and years they have been the most represented team in the conference from the visiting side. all home games were SRO. I certainly don't believe elmhurst and wheaton have a better following than Augie, even now.

Wow, how things change.

Looking at attendance figures for this year,  Augie's largest crowd at home was 2,307 vs Wheaton on homecoming. Their smallest crowd was this past weekend against Carthage at 903 people. Their average this year is 1,455 per game.  Wheaton's largest crowd was 4,987 and are averaging 3,717 per game.  Elmhurst's largest crowd was 3,479 and are averaging 3,018.  Augie barely drew 500 people for the playoff game last year. Granted there were other things happening in the QC's, but still not a good showing especially for the playoffs.

Quote from: Tailgater on October 22, 2006, 04:22:59 PM

Quote from: 79jaybird on October 22, 2006, 10:15:02 AM
Kind of funny that the Augie guys are debating with each other about CCIW Championships.  Can't you guys be happy that your team is winning the title(s) 
If you asked the other 7 schools what is their goal at the beginning of the year, each player/coach would say, "Win the CCIW".
So I can't understand why Augie nation is not happy winning the CCIW.

I found it rather curious that a football program with such a rich tradition of success could only fill about 2/3rds or less of their stands in support of their team? Most of them appeared to be parents and alum.  We have a friend who's son is a student at Augie. As he toured us around campus we virtually found no students anywhere. The largest group of non-player students (4) I saw were at our pre-game tailgate. They joined us in the stands on the visitor side and only one seemed remotely interested in cheering for their team. What's up with that?

I think part of the problem is that until recent years, there weren't many close scoring home games for Augie(except for Wheaton).  Elmhurst, NP, NC, and Carthage didn't use to be close games although that has certainly changed recently.  Also, with all the "reserved seating" for non-students, there really isn't room for a "student section" at Ericson field.  I also don't think the community is behind Augie as much as some of the other schools closer to Chicagoland. With a great majority of Augie's population coming from the Chicagoland area, I don't think the students and community share the same bond as a Elmhurst or Wheaton.

Quote from: 79jaybird on October 22, 2006, 10:15:02 AM
Kind of funny that the Augie guys are debating with each other about CCIW Championships.  Can't you guys be happy that your team is winning the title(s) 
If you asked the other 7 schools what is their goal at the beginning of the year, each player/coach would say, "Win the CCIW".
So I can't understand why Augie nation is not happy winning the CCIW.
IMO, who cares what the coaches are doing/what the players are doing/etc. if the team is poised to win another CCIW title?

Now, the game of the year in the CCIW next week is Augie and NC.  Couple points here.
A) The real battle is Augie's Offense vs. NC's defense.  Both Elmhurst and Carthage hung tough with the Augie running game for 3 qrtrs., but fell short in the end.  If Augie is able to get that running game going, nobody is going to stop them.
B) NC's O-Line and Kam Kniss-- Will the O-Line be able to give Kniss enough time to make plays?
C) (as always) Turnovers and special teams.  Who will execute?  Who will turn the ball over?  and who is going to make the special teams plays?

I don't really think Augie nation is upset with winning conference championships except for the new "Augie" poster who has just ripped the team apart.  As it's been said in the past a 7-3 season isn't a good season for Augie, because most of the time it won't win a conference title. If 7-3 is good enough this year, then for the most part I believe Augie fans will be happy with winning a share of the title.  Good luck to all teams next weekend. I wish I could be at the NCC Augie game.

This is a little off topic, but in the MSU NWU game today, the Wildcats were up 38-3 midway through the 3rd quarter and ended up losing 41-38.  How does a team blow a 35 pt lead at home with 23 minutes to go especially to MSU?

Quote from: RedmenFB44 on October 21, 2006, 03:20:04 PM
Carthage tried to fake a punt at their own 33 and it doesn't work so Augie has the ball at the Carthage 25.

Carthage seems to have a history of faking punts against Augie. Do they fake as many punts against other teams? 

37 yard pass for the Redmen driving in Augie terriority down to 42 yard line.

14 - 0 Augie

Costly penalty for the Redmen on defense on 3rd down aiding in Augie's TD.   Can anyone fill in on the details of the 1st half?  The last scoring drive was 9 play 80 yards, with a Guzman 18 yr TD run.

Quote from: RedmenFB44 on October 21, 2006, 02:34:33 PM
Since I can't get the Carthage/Augie broadcast I decided to look up the sizes of the Augie offensive line vs. the Carthage defensive line. Thought it was kinda intersting:

Augie offensive line starters:

Tackle - Westemeyer 6'5" 250
Guard - Verhelst 6'0" 275
Center - Tongue 6'4" 245
Guard - Kretzmann 6'2" 268
Tackle - Schoon 6'0" 267

Carthage Defensive line starters:

DE - Woelke 6'2" 220
DT - Januszewski 5'8" 243
DT - Coker 6'0" 248
DE - Johnson 6'0" 244

None of Augie's O-line are seniors. There is a freshman and a couple of sophomores on the line that will only get bigger.  Tongue, was a center for Conant High School and his playing weight back in the day was between 180-190.

AugsportsFan:

www.broadcastmonsters.com/Carthage/carthage102106.asx is the Carthage radio station, but they aren't playing the game on the radio right now.

Another interesting tidbit from the Augie/Wheaton game was that in the 3rd Quarter Barnes decided to take the wind (which was a pretty strong wind) giving Wheaton the wind in the 4th Quater. Wheaton had won the initial toss and deferred. Talking to one of the players after the game, the philosophy was to make a statement and get the ball back. They were able to do that, but since Augie didn't necessarily need the wind, (wind doesn't really effect your running game), why did he want to let Wheaton have the wind in the 4th Quarter when they would be forced to pass if they were still down a couple of touchdowns? When Augie had to punt in the 4th Quarter, they weren't going to pin Wheaton back. Wheaton had partially blocked a punt earlier in the game that was a blessing in disguise for Augie because it took a great Augie roll.

Quote from: Mugsy on October 09, 2006, 10:57:18 AM
Wow... OAC Pick-em's favors Wheaton over Augustana by 9.5 points!

It's in Rock Island and the game is typically goes down to the wire (except last year and 2002).

Interesting...

I'll take Augie and 9.5 pts.  It's interesting with a team that likes to slow down the game as much as Augie how much of an impact the new clock rules will impact games.    On one hand it will favor Augie trying to kill the clock late in games, but if they ever have to come back from more than 2 scores down, it will be that much harder. What are people's thoughts on the new clock rules?