Any word on what happened to the normal TU QB?

Yes that is a 1/2 the distance situation. Should have been 12 1/2 yard line not the 10

Does not matter where the feet or the knees are.  The ball should be spotted wherever IT was when the ball was declared dead.

The rules are now only changed every  2 years. The only exception is for safety or similar serious issues.  The rulebooks will only come out every 2 years so this has to wait to 2011.

Great change. Just wish it would start this season. 

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Quote from: TXMike on December 04, 2009, 01:13:51 PM
Are there any folks here who went to the Mary Hardin-Baylor - Central College game and who can comment on a call I heard was masde at the end of that game.  Allegedly Central tyried an onside kick and the kicker was flagged for offside?

I hear a can opener.

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TXMike - Ya, that was the call, the discussion starts on page 2017, we'd like to leave it there.

Not interested in reopening a debate.  Not m,uch to debate anyway.  If the flag was on the kicker, then it was in error.  What we are tryiong to determine is how we know rthe foul was on the kicker and not on a teammate.  Also I saw a post that said the ball was teed up[ at the 29 for the rekikck.  Is that true also? although I suspect they meant it was rteed up at the 24, not 29, but that would have been wropng also)

Are there any folks here who went to the Mary Hardin-Baylor - Central College game and who can comment on a call I heard was masde at the end of that game.  Allegedly Central tyried an onside kick and the kicker was flagged for offside?

All military vets -

Little known provision in just passed law allows us to render hand salute during National Anthem.


http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/docs/Saluting.doc

New Law Authorizes Veterans' Salutes during National Anthem
WASHINGTON -- Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that took effect this month.

"The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those who have served in our nation's armed forces," said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. "This provision allows the application of that honor in all events involving our nation's flag."
The new provision improves upon a little known change in federal law last year that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did not address salutes during the national anthem.  Last year's provision also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.
Traditionally, members of the nation's veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag while wearing their organization's official head-gear. 

The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran.  It was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14. 

The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

Part of the confusion over the clock and incomplete passes may stem from many folks having seen some NFL Europe games  In that league, the clock is restarted after the ball is spotted following an incomplete pass.  Plus,  in the NCAA as Pat pointed out, after a run that ends out of bounds, the clock is restarted when ball is spotted (except for last 2 minutes of a half). 

They (we) do and I have great understanding for judgment call mistakes, (i.e was there enough contact for pass interference, was that block really in the back, etc).  People see things differently, a person might not have good enough physical skills to get in the right place at the right time, visual acuity is not equal, etc etc  But I have no sympathy when guys make mistakes that are rules-oriented, especially when it is not some rarely used rule.  The one thing they (we) can control is how much we study and learn the rules.  No excuse for not knowing them. 

As has happened to even the best officials, the F mistakenly signalled possession to DU even though he saw TU with the ball.  In the ensuing discussion, someone mentioned that TU had indeed blocked before the ball had done 10 yards,  That is a foul.  Since TU had the ball, DU had to accept the penalty which means 5 yards from previous spot (30) and rekick.  Refs hate long drawn out conferences as much as anyone else but if that is what it takes to make sure a play is handled correctly, so be it. 

Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 02:29:05 PM
 Which of the following is correct for D3 football:

1) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it does not restart until the ball is snapped.
2) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it is restarted after the ball is set.
3) The game clock is up to the official on the field and if he wants the clock to run he signals the clock operator to start that sucker.

In all NCAA, not just D-III , # 1 and 3 are correct.  There are some exceptions but they involve deliberate attempts to conserve time when such a pass is not permitted.  Ex:  Time is running out, QB runs for a 5 yd gain and sees he will be tackled so he deliberately spikes the ball, hoping clock will be stopped for the incomplete pass.  After the penalty for the illegal pass is assessed, the referee will order the clock started.  FOr nornmal, run of the mill, incomplete passes, clock restarts on the snap

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Quote from: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 09:52:38 PM
Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

Maybe so, TXMike, but that was a very condescending comment.  Let me assure you that other folks on this board may "know" more or less than you or I do about football.  I don't think Tex is really uninformed just because he disagrees with some of the earlier posts, do you?  He. like many of us, was at the game and is just as entitled to his analysis as you are yours.  I thought the officiating was sub-par, but that Trinity beat DePauw fair and square.

So what is your point?  Do you agree that comparing penalty numbers and yardages is a way to evaluate officiating ?  If so then you know as little about the game as he does.  I am not defending the officiating in that game although so far the "only" thing they got wrong according to the posts here is the timing (although that is a HUGE error).   But if you are going to slam the officiating it should be with concrete examples.

Quote from: Tex on October 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
Penalties-Yards...............     4-30     5-55

For all this bitching, you'd think the 5-55 was DePauw.  It was TU.   4 penalties on one side, 5 on the other.  Pretty even in numbers, but not yards.  That's the way it goes.

I doubt quite seriously that anyone in the booth purposely kept the clock running.  Maybe the guy on the field didn't signal to stop it.  I have no idea.  Incompetence?  Maybe they messed up in DePauw's favor as well yesterday at times.  

Wanna see some bad officiating?  Go to Birmingham/TU game boxscore.  

Penalties-Yards...............     8-69     4-19

Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

You are correct in the assessment of it not being the clock operator's fault. It is up to the guys on the field to know the rules and know when to stop and start the clock.  They did not do so throughout this game when it came to incomplete passes.  Who knows how much time was lost  (Of course it was time lost to both teams so the fact there was lost time may not have even affected the final outcome)

Money could even be a consideration for non D-1 guys in some cases.  HS games in Texas pay officials according to the size of the gate.  It is not unusual to make more for a Texas HS game than you can make at a D-III game.  So if there has to be a choice between the 2.... well, you figure it out.  Since Trinity is playing on Saturday afternoon's there is no serious competition with HS games in the area as most of them will be done Fri  night but it is still a consideration.